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Tara Strong

2009-06-16T18:58:54Z

Liberal Noob:

[[Image:Tara_Strong.jpg|thumb|right|200px|TARA STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!]]

'''Tara Strong''' (born '''Tara Lyn Charendoff''' on [[February 12]], 1973) is a prolific Canadian-American voice actress appearing in a wide variety of animated television series, movies, and video games. Known for many roles, such as the second voice of Batgirl/Barbara Gordon in ''The New Batman Adventures'', [http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Extreme_Ghostbusters#Kylie_Griffin Kylie Griffin] from ''Extreme Ghostbusters'', Raven from ''Teen Titans'', Ben and Upgrade from '' Ben 10'', Rikku from ''Final Fantasy X'' and ''Final Fantasy X-2'', and Bubbles from ''The Powerpuff Girls'' among others.

She is ''awesome''.

==Voice roles==
===''Transformers: Animated''===
*[[Sari Sumdac]]
*[[Teletran-1]]
*[[Reception Bot]] ([[Total Meltdown]], [[Survival of the Fittest]], [[SUV: Society of Ultimate Villainy]])
*[[Gary]]
*[[Daniel Witwicky (Animated)|Daniel]]
*[[Press Secretary]]
*[[Carly Witwicky (Animated)|Carly]]
*[[Slo-Mo]]
*[[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]]
*[[Strika (Animated)|Strika]]
*[[Red Alert (Animated)|Red Alert]]

====Incidentals====
*Boy ([[Transform and Roll Out]])
*Fan #1 (Transform and Roll Out)
*Boy ([[Nanosec (episode)|Nanosec]])
*Mother ([[Headmaster (episode)|Headmaster]])
*Soccer Mom ([[The Elite Guard]])

==Convention appearances==
* [[BotCon 2008]]

==External links==
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0152839/ Tara Strong on the Internet Movie Database]
*[http://www.tarastrong.com/ Official website]
*[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/interviews-27/tfw2005-interviews-transformers-animated-voice-actor-tara-strong-164286/ Interview on TFW2005.com]

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[[Category: Voice actors]]

Talk:M&M's

2009-06-11T22:02:26Z

Liberal Noob: New page: You guys need to see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPmACq0Cvvk Prime acts like a total jerk in this commercial. I am speechless. --~~~~

You guys need to see this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPmACq0Cvvk
Prime acts like a total jerk in this commercial. I am speechless. --[[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 18:02, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2009-06-11T18:52:45Z

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== Quotes ==
{{note|This discussion was moved from [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central#Quotes]].}}

Quotes now seem to look like this:

{{quote|Freedom is the right of all sentient beings|Optimus Prime}}

when IIRC before the crash they look like this:

{{bigquote|Freedom is the right of all sentient beings|Optimus Prime}}

Now, it seems we can get the second result using the <nowiki>{{bigquote}}</nowiki> template instead of the basic <nowiki>{{quote}}</nowiki> template that is currently populating most of the pages.

I'm of the opinion that the bigquote look is much more pleasing to the eye and it also seemed to be the norm before the crash. Should we change the quotes to bigquotes on individual pages or just have someone with template knowledge make a change there? --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 23:29, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
:Discussion on [[Template_talk:Quote]] suggests that bigquote is the old style and quote is the new style. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:37, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
::Mind you I didn't ''ask'' anyone before swapping styles-- the intention was to give people a chance to evaluate the new look, but we only had it for a few days before the crash... so I don't think anyone noticed. :p
::It's my opinion that the old quote template took up too much space-- which is find for a single quote at the top of an article when you want to make a big thing of it, but I thought ''most'' uses of the template would look nicer with s smaller visual footprint. (Plus the html is more contextual.)
::Some people seem to dislike the chevron-style quoting... it's consistent with what, at the time, were our new reference templates-- also lost in the crash. The real appeal, to me, is that it lets you put quotes ''inside'' the quote template (such as an exchange between characters) without looking weird. The way we ''used'' to do that was multiple quote templates in a row, which (being oversize already) resulted in a massive on-screen footprint.
::If the consensus is to switch to the bigQuote format for all quotes instead of the smaller one, I guess that's the community's perogative... but I'm gonna argue against it until that decision is made.
::I ''like'' bitQuote-- it's great if you want a quote to be a big thing. Most of the time you don't. When you do-- why not just use <nowiki>{{bigquote}}</nowiki>? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:48, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Ahhh, my mistake! I coulda sworn I'd seen quote in use longer! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:55, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

::Why I don't like "quote":
::#It's ugly.
::#It's '''bigger''' than bigQuote. That seems to defeat the whole point.
::#Single guillemots ''don't get used as quotation marks in English'' and so '''they don't parse as quotation marks'''.
::#It's '''incredibly''' ugly.
::#And finally-if-slightly-tangentially, there's a conscious effort, it seems, to change all "bigquotes" to "quotes", which defeats the whole point of having two templates.
::Definite vote to revert - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 11:35, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

I vote against the revert. I do not like the old quote style, as noted on the above-linked discussion page. All we need to do is change the guillemots to quote marks and it's fine by me. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:08, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
In accordance with the general wishes of the community, the quotes have been changed from guillemots to standard quotation... though I think it looks terribly ''silly'' that way. You can see just how silly over at [[Template_talk:Quote]]. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:57, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
:Well, one day after updating the quote template, I finally ran into ''exactly'' the scenario I was talking about in regards to quotes within quotes. I need to quote this passage (which includes but is not composed exclusively of dialog) for an article.
{{quote|"Farewell Optimus prime," [Starscream] whispered to himself. "Time for Endspark."|[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]|[[Ghosts of Yesterday]] p280}}
:That looks absolutely retarded. The guillemots may have been ugly-- but they were at least ''clear''. And none of the user suggestions (including [[User:Abates]] idea of using multiple parameters for a series of quotes) applies here-- because the text is ''inline''.
:You all suck. Does anyone have any suggestions ''other'' than guillemots to make that look less retarded? Because <nowiki>{{bigquote}}</nowiki> looks even ''worse''. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:53, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
::[http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp Rule four] suggests it should look like this:
{{quote|'Farewell Optimus prime,' [Starscream] whispered to himself. 'Time for Endspark.'|[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]|[[Ghosts of Yesterday]] p280}}
::although you could also use ‘ and ’ maybe? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:33, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
:::I have restore the guillemots as an ''optional flag.'' (style=2) The entire ''point'' of using a non-english quotation mark was to avoid conflicts with English quotation marks, so the guillemots seem like a good fallback position when there is a conflict.
{{quote|'Farewell Optimus prime,' [Starscream] whispered to himself. 'Time for Endspark.'|[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]|[[Ghosts of Yesterday]] p280|style=2}}
:::This necessitated html and css changes, so some quotes may look funny for the next 24 hours or so until the pages de-cache. (They'll preview properly, and if you save them they'll look right... but left on their own they will re-cache with the updated <nowiki>{{quote}}</nowiki> HTML in short order, so don't bother.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:50, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

::Uh, why not take the easy route. '''Leave out the opening and closing quotation marks when you post''', and the template fills them in. i.e.,
{{quote|Farewell Optimus prime," [Starscream] whispered to himself. "Time for Endspark.|[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]|[[Ghosts of Yesterday]] p280}}
::There you go, simple and doesn't involve guillemots that don't parse for anyone. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 05:01, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
:::What a lovely mix of smart and dumb quotes you have created. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:46, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
::::Given the use of a monospaced font, it doesn't make sense to use "smart" quotation marks anyway... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 07:24, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

:I prefer the old style quotes. Nobody can make me use the new ones. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:09, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
::I agree, for all the reasons that SanityOrMadness listed above (especially points 1, 2 and 4)[[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 13:44, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
::I completely don't care about this discussion, but I must take the time to point out that it's "guillemet". "Guillemot" is a bird, which is decidedly not relevant to this discussion. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:49, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

I don't think the normal quotes show up properly in IE6 and a normal quote overlaps an image on http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Protoform so that needs to be fixed or bigquote restored.[[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 11:08, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
:That's a note, not a quote. The site unfortunately has plenty of problems in IE6, mostly caused by Microsoft's crappy rendering engine. A few of them linger in IE7 too... We really need to come up with a replacement for the messageboxes which doesn't lose the right-hand edge for one thing. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:48, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

== Redirects while editing ==

Go to [[User:Derik/Sandbox7]], hit edit, then ''preview''. (Hitting shift-refresh might be required to clear out your CSS cache if the effect isn't apparent.)

Links to redirects are highlighted ''in preview mode only''. If it's not highlighted, you know you're pointing to an actual page rather than a redirect. Should probably make it easier to just ''guess'' on a lot of links while still being assured you're picking valid ones.

(Pink is a terrible color to use for this. Any suggestions on how this should be styled? Sparkle-background?) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:46, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
:Would making them simply underlined be too subtle? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:15, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
::I worry it's too subtle. What about this?
::If that's too subtle I could break out the sparkling text and have the wiki chant "Septus, Dominus!" every time you mouse over it...-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:30, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

Aw, what's wrong with the pink? I think that one's clear enough. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 00:39, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

Not bad. At least this way it'll be easier to catch the redirects, applying changes when necessary. Although pink... I think it'd be better if the color was a different contrast if it's in the colored section of the templates (as in the episode/comic templates). --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 01:34, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
:Abates suggested underlining... since the redirects ''only'' show up that way when in preview mode, I think it'd be a good idea to have multiple visual indications. (I don't think the previous/next links on the comicnav, for example, will change color... because they already ''have'' a color set. If you have multiple indicators (color underline, etc...) chances are at least one will remain noticable no matter what happens.
:Does anyone hate the blinking? (It's a firefox-only style.) Normally I HATE anything that blinks because its distracting, but the whole point here is to be able to easily spot the redirects. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:58, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
::Eh, blinking's fine. Not that of a biggy for me. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:08, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

::It's only in the preview and not in the saved pages, so the blinking is ok so far as I'm concerned! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:15, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
::I think the feature is great? But yes, I hate the blinking. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:03, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
This might be a good time to mention this, but just because a link is pink and flashy doesn't necessarily mean it is a mistake needing fixing, right? It is sometimes OK to use redirect links. If you are talking about Goldbug it is OK (and preferable in my opinion) to link to [[Goldbug (G1)]] and let the redirect do the work. I think having it stand out so much would tend to have editors feel the need to clean them all out. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:17, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
:::There is potential for that. I agree that sometimes redirects are okay... <nowiki>*shrug*</nowiki> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:44, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

How about "safety orange" or yellow? Those are universal "danger/warning" colors. (And less puke-inducing for me than pink). I don't mind the blinking either, considering that the idea is that the indicator is ''supposed'' to annoy the hell out of you until you change it. (FWIW, the whole thing works fine in Opera 9.63, too.)

As for Starfield's comment, eh, I just don't see it 99% of the time. If I wanted to link to something like Goldbug or Rodimus Prime, I would do <nowiki>[[Bumblebee (G1)|Goldbug]]</nowiki> or <nowiki>[[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]]</nowiki> instead. About the only time I could see it useful is if you were doing linking related to a spoiler (like Longarm Prime vs. Shockwave, for instance), but even then you'd still only need to do it for a month at most. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:15, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
:I don't personally see the sense in manually redirecting to Hot Rod when you are talking Rodimus Prime when there is perfectly valid actual redirect to use. You aren't talking about "Hot Rod". It is like word-linking that way, like you are trying to fake out the reader. "Rodimus Prime" is that character's name in that point of the story. I always thought that was the primary purpose of having redirects, and search boxes were secondary.
:Plus there is the added benefit of when you use the "what links here" page, you see what pages link to "Rodimus Prime", which is interesting information that is lost if everything links to "Hot Rod". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:53, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
::Because it's the same character. We say "Spike" or "Daniel", but link to their full name. If someone refers to Bumblebee as a "giant yellow Volkswagon robot" in something, we might use that phrasing in the synopsis, but we'd still link to Bumblebee, not to "giant yellow Volkswagon robot" as a redirect. Etc. It's not a fakeout, it's just using the proper contextual name in the text, but cutting out the middleman for the actual link.
::Redirects can make linking easier for editors who don't know immediately what the proper link might be, so we don't end up with accidental duplicate pages (or as a shorter way to link to something like an oft-used section link), but on the whole I think it's mostly useful for searches.
::In short, while not all redirect linking is something to worry about, per se, I don't see anything wrong with encouraging editors to hunt down the correct linkage, even in those sorts of edge cases. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:19, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
:::"Goldbug" was a character in the comic [[Used Autobots]], the character was ''not'' "Bumblebee". In that way, it is different than using Spike's full name, or even [[Peter Parker]] vs [[Spider-Man]]. I think a link on the [[Used Autobots]] article to <nowiki>[[Bumblebee (G1)|Goldbug]]</nowiki> is incorrect because there was no "Bumblebee" in the story. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:36, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
::::And yet, Bumblebee and Goldbug don't have separate articles, because we treat them as being the same character. *shrugs a little* I don't ''care'' either way, really, and wouldn't consider it worth worrying about if someone linked to Goldbug, I just don't see that as more correct. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:47, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::Bumblebee/Goldbug is the same character. That is ''why'' I think it is OK to link to "Goldbug", even more correct to do so when you are talking about Goldbug. "Goldbug" is not a nickname for "Bumblebee", Goldbug is that character, at that point in the story. The article could be named "Goldbug (G1)" with Bumblebee redirecting to it or "Bumblebee/Goldbug", but for our, somewhat arbitrary, naming rules. I don't disagree with the naming rules, but just because the article is called "Bumblebee" doesn't mean that that always linking to "Bumblebee" is correct. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:00, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::And yet, even if you link to Goldbug, when you click on the link, you still end up at a page titled "Bumblebee (G1)". Is the little "redirected from" note really that crucial a difference? (Especially since the intro mentions the Goldbug change right at the top anyway.) It just seems like a difference that makes no difference to me. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:05, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Yes, when you link to Goldbug, you end up at the right spot, so why the big push to not link to Goldbug when you are talking about Goldbug? And yes, in some way I like seeing "redirected from", it lets me know that Goldbug is just as correct but the title is called "Bumblebee" out of convenience. And don't forget about the "What links here" feature. It is a little useful being able to sort out the Goldbug references. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:19, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::Someone requested I link-fix a bunch of minor variants of Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime ot all point to "Hot Rod (G1)". Instead I split them, pointing to "Hot Rod (G1)" and "Rodimus Prime (G1)" as appropriate-- in case we one day decide to split the articles like we do Megatron/Galvatron.
::::::The same principle applies. A split is ''unlikely'', but this way if we ''do'' split the articles, all the links are already pointing to the appropriate destination, instead of having to sort through 500+ incoming links ''by hand'' (that's abotu the number Hot Rod has...) to figure out which need to go where. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:57, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

::::::::''Is the little "redirected from" note really that crucial a difference?''
::::::::For me, yes, it kinda is. It lets me know that the powers-that-be have decided that "Goldbug" is heavily subordinate to the character of Bumblebee, that they are well and truly one and the same, that there's not some other Goldbug article out there that I'm missing. That in itself is a significant bit of information, even before I've started reading the text. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:09, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

I think that the "What Links Here" issue is a fair point. But IMHO if you need the little "redirected from" note to tell you're in the right place instead of just by reading the intro, you're either lazy or the intro needs rewriting. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:14, 22 April 2009 (EDT) 
Edit: Realized I should mention that I'm liking the blinky thingy so far... it used to be annoying having to click through every new link I was adding to make sure it was the proper direct link instead of a redirect. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:18, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
:We should have one standard for linking or not linking to redirect pages. I much prefer being able to link to redirect pages and not get reverted, but I would go along with the other way if that is the standard. I started a draft proposal for a standard to be added to the style guide at my [[User:Starfield/Redirect linking|sandbox]]. Please feel free to comment or edit it or add reasons for/against. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:51, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

==Franchise identifier consistency==
At the moment, we have 34 "G1" articles with an identifier of a specific Japanese sub-franchise to distinguish them from articles on usually Western/G1 material. We also have about 9 "G1" articles who use a different kind of identifier, on basis that the Japanese continuities are G1. 
This already led to a bit of moving around with the Grandus article between (G1) and (ROC) when the Animated guy was introduced. To prevent that happening with the Dai Atlas, Sky Garry and possibly Cancer articles, I'd like to have the community make a decision on how to deal with the (G1) identifier vs the (Headmasters), (Masterforce), (Victory), (Zone), (ROC) and (OC) identifiers vs whatever else can be/is used as identifier. 
My preference would be to use the Japanese sub-franchise identifiers. Simple and in line with the whole "from the (Japanese franchise) portion of the G1 continuity" on top of those pages. For convenience, here's a list of the moves it would mean:
*Sandstorm (Autobot) -> Sandstorm (G1) (Note: we have a SG Sandstorm now, so (Autobot) it can't stay anyway.)
*Sandstorm (Decepticon) -> Sandstorm (OC)
*Falcon (Predator) -> Falcon (G1)
*Falcon (Micromaster) -> Falcon (OC)
*Ricochet (G1 Autobot) -> Ricochet (Headmasters)
*Metrotitan (G1) -> Metrotitan (Zone)
*Grandus (G1) -> Grandus (ROC)
*Star Saber (G1) -> Star Saber (Victory)
*Joe (Micromaster) -> Joe (ROC)
*Circuit (Action Master) -> Circuit (G1)
*Circuit (Micromaster) -> Circuit (OC)
*Convertor (Micromaster) -> Convertor (OC)
*Convertor (Recyclon) -> Convertor (G1), but I'm in favour of leaving this one as (Recyclon) because all other Recyclons with an identifier use (Recyclon).
Thoughts? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 03:48, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

:Sky Garry etc... all fall under (G1.) Widest possible identifier when there's no conflict.
:This confuses people because we use specific franchises for UT characters... but the UT has SO MUCH name overlap it'd be pointless-- no one would have the (UT) identifier even if it was standard. G1 has little enough name overlap internal to itself we can make (G1) the default.
:So it's inconsistent--but it's at least ''consistently'' inconsistent. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:55, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
::Diver, Planet X, Hydra, maaaaybe Overlord... No, we're not consistently inconsistent either. And now I'm only looking at G1 West vs Japan. With BW, we do seem to be consistent in acknowledging its Japanese sub-franchises in identifiers. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 07:20, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

::What's this "widest possible identifier," Derik? Didn't we go through that huge "Swarm (G1)" debate (which seems to have been ''completely lost'' in the Bookworm crash, fantastic) to cement the franchise-of-origin rule forever and ever amen? The only question here is: What counts as a separate franchise? To my mind, ''Zone'' bears about the same relationship to G1 as G2 does. And, as the Swarm debate established, G2 is never ever G1 as far as parentheticals are concerned. The UT example has nothing to do with what you said and everything to do with our one simple rule. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:21, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
:::...I don't remember anymore. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:31, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
::::At least remember to curse the name of Bookworm for three to seven generations. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:59, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::Side note: Actually, the bit of the discussion that was on my User Page subpage isn't lost. I just didn't upload it anywhere because we never actually determined a good permanent place to move it to, so I didn't know ''where'' to upload it to. After a quickie Google search, it turns out there's still a good cache file for the Insecticon Swarm talk page, too. Anyhoo. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 02:19, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::Hey, whatever you can find and restore, please do. The biggest value of preserving a debate like that is never having to go through it again. I'd say you should re-make your Sandbox and its Talk page exactly as they were before. I don't think a more "permanent" place is necessary; it's an aborted experiment, so it can stay on an "experimental" page. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 03:11, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

:::::I'm for moving those pages. Except for "OC" since it's based on a bad translation of a Japanese title. 合体大作戦 (''Gattai Daisakusen'') means "Great Combination Operation". Everybody who knows this, including me, just has been too lazy to correct it. (And Derik, the punctuation for a sentence is out of the parentheses. I'm not sure why you consistently make that mistake.) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:54, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::Then maybe this is a good moment to correct it? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 03:55, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Well, problem is that "Operation Combination", as incorrect as it is, is what the majority of English people know it as. And then what to have the disambiguation parentheses as? "(GCO)"? I would prefer to have it as "Gattai Daisakusen", but my opinion of forgoing unofficial translations is decidedly unpopular. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:13, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Then it depends on what this wiki cares more about: helping people find information or providing them with the correct information. By what you're saying, I'd say Operation Combination should become a redirect to the correctly named article. And from there, I don't think (OC) is going to be anymore clear on what continuity it represents than (GCO) or (GD). I don't think many will immediately guess "OC" stands for Operation Combination, and that's also not the point of identifiers. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 08:21, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::::I'm in favor of using the Japanese sub-franchise names. I checked Beast Wars and we are using the sub-franchise names for that, (BWII), (BWN) so this would be consistent. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 08:51, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Except as someone (Interrobang?) keeps pointing out-- that's problematic in itself. There was no BWII Toyline. There was a BWII cartoon... and a Beast Wars Toyline. Japan considers all 4 BW series paer of 1 toyline franchise, much like Generation 1. (This argument hasn't received a lot of traction, but I'm bringing it up because it seems relevant.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:19, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::FortMax brought it up at least twice. One could argue that since we focus on fiction, we should base our disambiguation system on it, but I dunno how to reconcile that with [[Cryotek (RID)]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:13, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Or [[Sideways (RID)]]. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:34, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::Sideways at least got a RID bio. All Cryotek gets is a quote. (And what if they have RID fiction with Cryotek in it? RID and BM are in two different continuity families which means we have to split the articles and argharghargh) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:19, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::Disambiguating by fiction has been argued. It doesn't work/help. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:52, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::<nowiki>*bump*</nowiki> So, I like Geewunling's proposal. Objections? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:14, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::The Wiki calls Headmasters, Beast Wars II, etc. "franchises." I didn't know the weren't until just now. It seems useful enough to do so, even if it isn't 100% historically accurate. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:07, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

== Technical question: Firefox and history pages ==

Is anyone else running the latest version of Firefox and having trouble with the history pages? I'm running Firefox 3.0.10 and when I look at, say, the [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Optimus_Primal&limit=500&action=history Optimus Primal history page], Firefox locks up for half a minute while it runs the javasript to hide half of the radio buttons. It does it on two different computers running the same version of Firefox, but I don't have the same problem on Wikipedia or Wikia. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:56, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
:Oh wow, that ''was'' a pretty nasty stutter I got when I tried to reproduce your issue. Same version, same results.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:00, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
::Ayep, same here. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:02, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Issue also reproduced on my home PC, which has more get up and go than my workstation, with Firefox 3.5 beta 4.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:34, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Ditto on my notebook and tower unit. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:06, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
::::...interesting. Why just firefox? (Clearly the 500+ items are an issue here-- but Safari has no problem with 500 items.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:26, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::I'd be curious to know as well. I specifically tried it again with the beta release because it uses a different (and supposedly more efficient) Javascript engine.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:30, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::And why only here and not on Wikipedia? Is there that much of a change in the Javascript between MediaWiki 1.12 and 1.14? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:32, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

Dropped down to Firefox 2...20 there to test, and clicking the radio buttons doesn't take very long, but the page DOES lock up for a while on initial load. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 18:28, 2 May 2009 (EDT)
:And FF 1.5.10 behaves as-FF2. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 18:38, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

== Bad images ==

My scanner is a piece o' crap. Is it better to upload dark and grainy pictures with a "badimage" tag or just put up a "picsneeded" tag? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:38, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
:Depends. With recent comic stuff, I think "pics needed" would be better, as there's a good chance that someone else will have the issue (or can find scans, *cough*). I replaced all the Defiance ones, for instance. If you have in mind specific scenes you would have scanned, you can always leave a suggestion in the picsneeded tag or on the talk page.
:On the other hand, for stuff that's old or rare, where it might be a choice between a bad image or never having an image, IMHO a bad image is better than nothing.
:(If you ever replace your scanner, I recommend the Canon MP210. I use it with Irfanview, and god I love the thing. Prints like a charm, too.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:00, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

== New User Template ==

I remember... someone before the crash (FortMax maybe?) suggesting the idea of a template we can stick on the talk pages of new users to welcome them. I rather liked the idea, so I started a mockup idea here: [[User:Jeysie/NewUser]] Any ideas for a pic, info to add/change, etc?

Also, I noticed we don't have a New Users log enabled the way Wikia does... if we do create this sort of thing, having that sort of log would be helpful. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:21, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
:We'd need to either upgrade to MediaWiki 1.14 or install [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Newuserlog the extension] to get the new users log. It would be ''very'' useful, I'm thinking. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:35, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

== Screencap templates ==

Er... you know we can ''edit'' the text that appears on the file upload screen. Anyone got a list of screencap templates?

(I think you might even be able to set them up for one-click adding.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:37, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
:They are all listed at [[Transformers Wiki:Images]], to my knowledge. I added all the ones I knew of.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:42, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
::[[User:Derik/Sandbox7|This]] is what I'm looking at. It's kinda fugy. Anyone else want to take a whack at it? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:16, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

I'm also working at templating the comics images:
*{{tl|MarvelUScover}} (Marvel US G1), {{tl|HMcover}} (Marvel Headmasters mini) and {{tl|MarvelG2cover}} are maxed out.
*I ''think'' I've got all the extant & relevant images for {{tl|MarvelG2interior}} - although I can't absolutely swear to it
*I'm currently working as and when I have the chance on moving the Marvel US G1 interiors and HM interiors to {{tl|MarvelUSinterior}} and {{tl|HMinterior}} from a variety of copyright tags and the absence thereof (including the ones that lost their descriptions in the Bookworm Incident)
Like I say, the covers are maxed out, but there's always the chance that other interiors will be uploaded (Walky's done a few recently), and it would help if they were added too. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:58, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
:Propose a visually compact way of doing so. ;) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:10, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
{|border cellspacing="1" cellpadding="5" width="100%"
|-
!width=50%|General
!width=50%|Comic Cover
|-valign="top"
|width=50%|
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{hastak}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{comicinterior}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{comiccover}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{screencap}}</nowiki></charinsert>
|width=50%|
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{MarvelUScover|(description)|(issue number)|(issue title)|(artist list)|(last two digits of publication year)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{HMcover|(description)|(issue number)|(issue title)|(artist list)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{MarvelG2cover|(description) |(issue number) |(issue title) |(artist list) |(last digit of publication year)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
|-
!width=50%|Screencap
!width=50%|Comic Interior
|-valign="top"
|width=50%|
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{titlecard}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{G1cap|(imagedescription)|(episode name)|(last digit of premiere year originally aired)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{RIDcap|(imagedescription)|(episode name)|(last digit of year originally aired)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{BWcap|(imagedescription)|(episode name)|(last digit of year originally aired)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{BMcap|(imagedescription)|(episode name)|(year originally aired)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{TFAcap|(imagedescription)|(episode name)|(year originally aired)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
|width=50%|
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{MarvelUSinterior|description=|issueno=|storytitle=|pageno=|panelno=|panelnos=|script=|line-art=|pencils=|inks=|colours=[[Nelson Yomtov]]|letters=|help=|year=(last two digits of publication year)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{HMinterior|description= |issueno= |storytitle= |pageno= |panelno= |panelnos= |letters= |help=}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{MarvelG2interior|description= |issueno= |storytitle= |pageno= |panelno= |panelnos= |script= |pencils= |inks= |colours= |letters= |help= |year=(last digit of publication year)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
|}
...I don't know about visually compact, exactly, but considering how many image templates we have, I'm not sure "visually compact" is possible... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:06, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
:Well, it's something to work on. Unfortunately the '''charinsert''' plugin doesn't have any way to display s short piece of text while inserting a long one.
:There's a rabid wolverine scrabbling around the back of my brain licking carnival pennies... I feel like when he comes down off his ''filth high'' he might have some ideas about Stupid CSS Tricks to make that less loathesome. (Failing that we could do something with Javascript, but it'd be a bitch to update so that's a last choice.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:35, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
::Yeah, it's pretty much the opposite... you can stick a description in the tooltip, but the actual text has to be visible. I honestly can't think of any way to do it in pure CSS without messing up the clickability of it.
::I guess we ''could'' just link to the plain vanilla templates with no parameters, but I kind of want to encourage people to be as thorough as possible with their info.
::I think we could also use a way to include a link to each template's page in case one needs to read the instructions. But I had trouble coming up with a way that's brief, clear, and won't get mistaken for the inserto-text link. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 01:53, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
::Addendum: We could go for a fake form with OPTION or a CSS-based drop-down list, but I think those would both need JS. (Admittedly the CSS based drop-down would need less JS, and only for the style, not the functionality.) (Why do I always have extra thoughts right ''after'' hitting the "submit" button?) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 01:59, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
:::What about the Boilerplate plugin that was suggested a while back? Would that be more suitable for this sort of thing? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:04, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
::::No, unfortunately... it only works for articles, not on file pages. (At least, if there is a way to get it to work on file pages, I couldn't figure it out.) Although I still think we should give that extension a whirl at some point, it won't help out with this specific thing. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 02:07, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
::::My Wolverine stopped tripping long enough to say "<nowiki>{{MarvelG2}}</nowiki>:<charinsert><nowiki>{{MarvelG2interior|description=|issueno=|storytitle=|pageno=|panelno=|panelnos=|script=|pencils=|inks=|colours=|letters=|help=|year=(last digit of publication year)}}</nowiki></charinsert>."
::::He is a filthy, FILTHY beast, and the hackiness of that CSS shames me. (And it's still not ideal code anyway.)
::::I think Javascript is a likely fate here. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:03, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

== Upload Preview ==

Over at [[Template_talk:Screencap#Since_we_got_derailed.|Template talk:Screencap]], Mr. Bates (or possibly Doug-- I can't keep them straight) suggested we look at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts/Upload_Preview Upload Preview script]-- a pure javascript solution to the lack of previews during image upload (which the MW software doesn't naively support.)

The script is currently available for anyone who has the [[User:Derik/kired tools|kired tools]] plugins installed. Please report your thoughts, and if there are any problems or conflicts. If user response is positive, I'm going to recommend the relevant code be added to the Wiki's common.js file. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:59, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
:It works great - very handy (I was the one who suggested it, BTW) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:59, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
::I finally figured out why I have such trouble telling you and Doug apart.
::I'm actually trying to tell "apog," "apog" and "abates" apart under the impression they are ''two'' people. '''No wonder''' I'm confused. -[[User:Deceptitran|Deceptitran]] 12:37, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

== (comic issue) vs. (issue) ==

Is there any protest against eliminating (comic issue) as a disambiguation parenthetical? Near as I can tell, it's totally redundant with the shorter, simpler (issue) parenthetical. (again, unless there's a "Child's Play (socioeconomic issue)" article that I'm unaware of...) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 10:52, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
:No protest here. I was planning on doing it someday. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:58, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF spoilers from novelizations and other adaptations ==

So, is information from the novelizations off-limits until the movie is in theaters, or what? (If so, we need to protect the hell out of a bunch of pages) --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:58, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:It was discussed [[Talk:Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|here]] and decided that no, they are not off limits, but please date the spoiler tags on character pages to a week after the film comes out. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:04, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::I've been stubbing in articles where I feel it's appropriate... but I've also been tailoring my content to avoid major spoilers-- more to have the infrastructure in place and ready to fill in then the movie drops.
::(And realistically speaking, there's going to be a flood of detailed spoilers, including lists of every fatality and major surprise on the 10th-- the film premieres in Japan 18 days before it does here.)
::Incidentally, I don't ''trust'' the tie-in novels. Characters vanish suddenly, details are glossed over or changed... I harbor a suspicion that certain plot details are being kept out of the books-- or at least obscured-- to prevent fans from being 100% certain about anything. The climax of the two movie adaptions I've read so far are ''different'', they have '''noticeably''' divergent outcomes. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:12, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I do not want '''''any''''' novelization and adaptation spoilers on character pages or other related articles. Stuff from adaptations should stay on their respective articles. Most of my work on the wiki at the moment is updating and maintaining movie articles, so it would be a personal inconvenience to me if I had to avert my eyes every time I come across the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie sections of character articles. Not only that, but there will be people who will wander onto this wiki with the intention of refreshing themselves on the movie or to read prequel stuff leading up to ROTF, but have no intention of reading up on plot points of the movie itself. And, as Derik says, novelizations and adaptations often differ wildly from the final movie script.
:::I think it's more than bloody fair to expect that we only post ROTF-related stuff on the day of the movie's release around the world, not before. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 00:59, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
::::That'd apply to the British Isles contingent? UK and Ireland are getting general release June 19. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:48, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::That's a good question. (I have no opinion, I'm spoiling myself by reading the novel.)
:::::IIRC, back during Animated season 2 we were observing a 1-week moratorium on character-page updates, which more-or-less covered the biggest broadcast markets.
* 10th - Japan premiere
* 24th - US Premiere
* 26th - UK Premiere
:::::Since the period we're talking about is just a 16 day span, I assume the same idea applies-- hold off until the 26th (possibly plus a few days) out of respect for other TF-fans. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:23, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::As Lonegamer ''just said'', it's out here in the UK on the 19th. And the rule for TFA S2 seemed to be that "as soon as it was first aired in English, be it in the UK, US or Canada (all three had 'world premieres in English' at different points), go for it". - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 10:02, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::I think that the modifier in that situation, though, was the fact that as soon as said Animated episodes had aired in English ''anywhere'', high-quality encodes of them were promptly available to download for anybody anywhere who wanted them, making it all pretty much fair game. Information could be added, and editors would not be left unable to verify that information, as they could download and see the episode themselves. The movie won't have that - US editors simply wont know if what anon IPs add is true or not, because they won't be able to see the movie to verify it and will have to operate on good faith, which is laudible, but we saw how well that worked with the Dubai Animated debalce and "Animated Waspinator". While I'll be seeing it opening day here in the UK, I know that I, personally, wasn't planning to add anything about it to the wiki until it screened in the US. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:03, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::::What Chris said. "Airing in English" was a polite euphemism for "we can see it too." It doesn't apply for a 2-and-a-half hour theatrical movie. American fans will still be in the dark until the 26th, and as far as I'm concerned the wiki should honor that. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 11:04, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::''While I'll be seeing it opening day here in the UK, I know that I, personally, wasn't planning to add anything about it to the wiki until it screened in the US.''
:::::::::''American fans will still be in the dark until the 26th''
:::::::::Can I take it that the UK and US premiere dates above are switched?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:02, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::It's now been said '''thrice''' in this thread that the UK/Eire date is the 19th. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]]
:::::::::::Beg your pardon, then. It was late, and I wasn't paying close enough attention.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 13:08, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

::::::::::::Damn Americans think they're the centre of the Universe. If I was President of the US, I'd invade the UK and Ireland to protect American Transfan interests. 14:56, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

I read the novel and have this to say: As much detail as is in it, there's no doubt its different. First of all: there's alot more detail so that means some of the slower parts are probably shorter in the movie (novels often do that anyways so no problems there) and also: in one chapter it leads up to fight and then on the very next chapter all of a sudden Devestator appears and is fighting already as if he's been there the whole time (meaning they skipped a chunk of that fight)So as is obvious, there will be differences.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]] (or was it 9?)<<not that it matters

==Forgive my attitude but==
what the flying f***! What happened to my account. I made one, I even remember what it looked like. Where is it and why can't I login and my username no longer exsists! What..the..hell. I've not signed in for a long time but I still go here regularly and everything, don't tell me you autodeleted my account! I mean, I’ve been here when it was at Wikia, I moved with you guys here and even made a new account here! Hell, my old accounts on Wikia all got deleted, so please don’t tell me you guys stooped to their level and deleted my account as well! I’ve done nothing wrong, aside from giving the appearance of being inactive because I’ve not logged in within awhile, but so what? What right does that give you to delete my account? (and if by some means it does give you the right to do so, please provide a link proving that)--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]] (or was it 9?)<< not that it matters
:[[Transformers Wiki:Bookworm Crash]]. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 15:59, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
Thank you. I'll just make a new account then.-sighs- Forgive if I bothered any of you with what I just said.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
::Don't worry, incoherent rage is the '''proper''' response to the Bookworm crash... you're just slowpoking. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:17, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

== Main page ==

[[Image:Mainpage_analytics-06-05-09.png|thumb]]
I'll just leave this here...

(I'll check in after work and see if anyone has thoughts, I sure do.)

Number are per-individual-link BTW-- so two separate links to the same location have their clickthroughs tallied separately. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:16, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
: In which we learn nobody clicks anything! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:21, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:::The numbers on the page ''should'' add up to 100%. It's just that a few links get vastly more traffic than the others so they show up as 0%. That might represent a few hundred clicks-- the Main Page ''is'' our most frequented page. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:12, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::::And people are obviously clicking on [[Kup (G1)]] as the page has gained a thousand hits and jumped 30 places in the Popular Pages list in the last week or so. Any idea what time frame the data covers? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:20, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::That was pretty much my thought, too. XD Although it is kind of interesting that some of the categories/continuities/series sections seem more popular than others... it's just hard to tell which ones, since the number pop-ups are in weird spots.
::I also notice that the "images" link in the Editing Tips is popular... and that apparently the fake disambiguation links get some clicks. XD Speaking of which, we really should write up some more of those to replace the rotating ones that got lost in the crash... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:26, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I may have sternly directed people to our Images policy page. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:49, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::::It's the most common thing people get wrong, so it's also our most thorough policy document.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:05, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::About 8% of clicks on the main page are to our "anyone can edit" but up top-- which just takes people to anchors within the page. (The Editing tips section and the Holy Grails section, which do not themselves then collect a lot of clicks.)
:::::This leads me to think that people who click on these things do ''not'' get what they want/are expecting. We should look at changing those links somehow.
:::::Another 8 % of clicks on the main page are on the "home" logo in the upper left (which takes you... back to the main page) and the "main page" link in the nav toolbar.
:::::If there's agreement, I'd like to set it so that the "Main Page" link in the navigation on the left is grayed out when you're on the main page, so it's clearer that "you're here." (The link would still be usable, it'd just have this visual indicator.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:10, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::We could simply de-link the "anyone can edit" links... they just seemed like a good way to get people to actually read our policies and what we need. Or maybe we could link that text directly to [[Help:Contents]] and get rid of the "Editing Tips" box altogether?
::::::I agree with the "Main Page" link being disabled when you're actually on the Main Page. It's pretty easy to do via CSS, and you can also change the cursor to be a regular arrow in CSS to further de-emphasize the links and say, "Hey, dude, you're already ''at'' the Main Page."
::::::Although I had actually thought that 8% of clicks was to the Recent Changes page, which would have made more sense to me. The oddness of where the stat boxes are in relation to the actual page links does make it hard to analyze. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:45, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::AS FAR AS I CAN TELL (which in a few cases - the continuities box especially - is less than 100%), these are all the numbers >1.0%:
:::::::*Logo (goes to Main Page): 4.0%
:::::::*"Navigation" sidebar:
:::::::**Main Page link in sidebar: 4.0%
:::::::**Recent changes: 5.3%
:::::::*Fake disambig:
:::::::**"anyone can edit" (goes to "editing-tips" subpage): 4.0%
:::::::**"add to" (goes to "holy-grails" subpage): 4.0%
:::::::*Categories:
:::::::**Characters: 1.8%
:::::::*Continuities:
:::::::**Live-action film: 1.4%
:::::::**Full Series Info: 4.0%
:::::::*Also, the cumulative links to the ROTF page appear to be >1%, even if no individual link is.
:::::::Thoughts on that... firstly, the links TO the main page ON the main page need to be nerfed. Not greyed out, killed. The logo can be just a logo, and the main page link can be replaced or removed. Secondly, there is no way in hell we should delink the stuff in the fake disambig, but redirecting to other places may be a better idea - take the "editing tips" box and turn it into a full page, linked from there (And from the ET box). Not quite so sure on "add to" - a list of stubs that we want filled out, perhaps? The "Holy Grails" box is too specific for 99.9% of potential editors, I expect. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:32, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

== Useful Extensions ==

Now that we have a working server again and more control over the techie side of things, I wonder if we should start up a list of extensions to install that might be useful.

My own picks:

*[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Newuserlog Extension:Newuserlog] to keep track of new users so we can give them a [[User:Jeysie/NewUser|friendly greeting]]. As opposed to our current status of new people not usually getting much of a "greeting" unless they screw up. :>
*[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultiBoilerplate Extension:MultiBoilerplate] to provide a drop-down menu of skeleton codes for new pages. I find this ''incredibly'' useful on my own wiki for being able to easily keep different types of pages all laid out the same, by inserting full page structures into new pages so you can then just fill in the information. For example, [http://trinsic.alienharmony.com/Template:D20RulesPlayercharacterpage here's one structure page] I use to give an idea of the sort of code you can inset.

:Mine:
:*[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Title_Blacklist Extension:Title Blacklist] blocks creation of pages depending on a regular expression.

:I will note that Newuserlog is built into MediaWiki 1.14.0, but we haven't discussed upgrading the software yet... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:25, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

::Honestly, those "friendly greetings" drive me spare. I'd really rather not have them.
::Suggestions:
::*[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:KeepYourHandsToYourself Extension:KeepYourHandsToYourself] (prevents users or anons editing User:* pages other than their own.) [Beta] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:47, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I'd be fine with blocking anons-- but I ''have'' been known to reach out and tweak someone's user page from time to time.
:::(Not that we've really had a problem with either.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:02, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::Why do they drive you spare? Giving new users a heads-up regards our policies ''before'' we have to slap a nastygram user notice on their page seems like a good idea to me. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:54, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:::They drive me spare getting them while doing IP-edits. And chances are you'll get them again, and again, and again... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:02, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Oh! No, no, no. I didn't mean doing them automatically on all new users, I was thinking, like, putting the greeting ''manually'' only for new ''registered'' users. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:09, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

==Rise of the Chevy Autobots==
Allright, I finally got around to putting this up. This is everything I have saved from the "Rise of the Chevy Autobots" online game - flash files, HTML, etc. It comes to nearly 60mb.

[http://www.obscuretf.com/ChevyAutobotGame.zip Chevy Autobots]

Unfortunately, I am most likely missing the last week or two of the story, but I figure it's better than nothing. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 14:18, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:Monzo- I luvers you...
:And AFIK the defeat of Mainframe himself never got a news update-- the epilogue was provided by the game itself. So you ''should'' have the most up to date version.
:Uh, I suppose there might have been a "he's weakening, keep at it" update, but that's pretty content-null. It'd be nice to know the date Mainframe went down... but again, it looks like you've got 99% of everything preserved here. :)~
:And now we can properly cite the Chevy Autobots being allspark mutations! (Or at least a result of Chevy's experimentation with Energon as an alternative fuel source.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:27, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

== Possible Relicensing? ==

So, Wikipedia is moving from the GFDL to a Creative Commons license, which will make it incompatible with most Wikia sites from then on. (Presumably; I haven't heard if Wikia at large or any of its individual wikis--like the old Transformers one-- are making the same transition.) Should TFWiki consider switching, too? Pretty much everyone outside the Wikipedia/Wikia family goes with CC, which is a lot simpler in a lot of ways than the GFDL.

[[wikipedia:GFDL#Compatibility with CC-BY-SA|Apparently, GFDL-licensed wikis can only make the change before August 1, 2009]]. And unlike them, we probably wouldn't have to worry about having added any content from non-wiki GFDL-licensed things, at least. And it would completely eliminate legal copying/pasting between this wiki and its rival. --[[User:Fleb|Fleb]] 17:47, 6 June 2009 (EDT)

:I would support this, at least tentatively. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:16, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
::On the surface, at least, it looks like a good move. It keeps the same free-info spirit, but is incompatible with Wikia's license ''and'' any info-quoting or copying from us further requires attributing the wiki, if I'm reading it right. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:18, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Hmm. I thought about bringing this Creative Commons thing up awhile back, but I'm not Legal Smarts (S-M-R-T) enough to fully understand it. Perhaps our staff should comment on this? The final decision is probably theirs. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:06, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I don't really have much to say, other than it sounds like a good idea. If nothing else, the legal terms of the GFDL are nightmarish at best and I'd be happy to never think of them again. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 14:02, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
IANAL, but [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update based on Wikimedia's page,] it ''looks'' like "relicensing" the site is just a matter of changing all the text that mentions "GFDL" now. The one requirement is that we're using [http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl-1.3.html version 1.3.] [[Transformers Wiki:Copyrights]] doesn't specify a version, and neither does the edit page or the footer, so that's probably okay. (''[[Transformers Wiki:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License|If the Document does not specify a version number of this License, you may choose any version ever published (not as a draft) by the Free Software Foundation.]]'') --[[User:Fleb|fleb]] 18:30, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::One thing that's confusing me, looking again at that - Wikipedia's new licensing structure seems confusing in that all non-imported-under-a-CC-licence content will still be dual-licensed under the GDFL. If we adopted that, Wikia could import from us, but we couldn't import from Wikia. CAN the GDFL be dropped completely? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:31, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:Oh, definitely. The dual-licensing is just ''Wikipedia's'' own, weird thing to keep the Free Software Foundation loyalists from bitching and Leaving Forever. (Those CC-only things should actually "poison" individual pages so they're not truly GFDL-licensable anymore without reverting, so they'll probably eventually drop it completely.) --[[User:Fleb|fleb]] 22:05, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

Which CC license would we use? Seems like [[wikipedia:Creative_Commons_licenses#Original_licenses|from the Wikipedia CC page]] that a by-nc-nd license would be what we're after? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:16, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:It would be [[wikipedia:Share-alike|CC-by-sa]]. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:23, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::That looks like a good idea to me. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:07, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Definitely By-SA -- If we do a No-Derivatives, how would we even edit any of our own pages? --[[User:Fleb|fleb]] 22:05, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Seems I misunderstood how the licensing applied. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:44, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

== Asking for permission to post links==

I'm the current Bureaucrat at [http://ghostbusters.wikia.com Ghostbusters Wiki], and there was interest in placing links to articles on this wiki to Ghostbusters wiki articles, and likewise placing links on Ghostbusters wiki to articles relating to content which has been brought up. I don't know a great deal of your wikis past dealings, other than wikia apparently kept your old wiki's content when you moved. Anyways, the wiki would rather reference to your present wiki than the one currently at wikia. We are hoping you wouldn't mind the links to our characters on pages related to the [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Race_with_the_Devil Race with the Devil] article. [http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/User:Devilmanozzy Devilmanozzy] 02:10, June 8, 2009 (EDT)

:Can you give a few examples of articles on your wiki which would benefit from having links to this site? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:37, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::IIRC it's whatshername's assistants-- the ones from the Earthforce story (Running with the Devil?) that Wildman based on the RGB models.
::(I personally have no problem with the links. Though I think this guy added 'em once, misformatted, and they got reverted.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:06, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That wasn't Nozzy but Liberal Noob, while not logged in. I told the original guy to take a step back and mind their P's and Q's before we start crosslinking, especially since it was an anonymous IP at the time. But yeah, he wants to crosslink with Race the Devil and Susan Hoffman.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:43, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Only direct link between the Ghostbusters Cartoon and the G1 Transformers cartoon is [[Frank Welker]] sounded like one of his TF roles when he voiced a ghost from time to time. I a am sorry for my wanton linking and it will not happen again. --[[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 22:57, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I meant which pages on the Ghostbusters wiki would benefit from having links on them to our wiki. I'm curious, because I regard myself as reasonably familiar with Ghostbusters, and I can't think offhand of any references to Transformers in it. Perhaps in one of the cartoons? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:55, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Thanks for the replies on this matter. A good user Liberal Noob had requested that I would more address this, apparently the mod needed to say something and form a partnership in order to have links posted related to one anothers material. To answer the question of what articles would be hyperlinked, I believe he was planning on linking to the animated pages for Peter Venkman, Egon Spengler, and Ray Stantz. Thats what I understand is being requested to being linked to.[[User:Devilmanozzy|Devilmanozzy]] 19:42, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::We're not wondering which pages on our wiki would link to your wiki. We were wondering which pages on your wiki would need to link to our wiki. We didn't know there ''were'' any Transformers references in any Ghostbusters media, and thus didn't know you'd need to link to us from your wiki. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:59, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::[[Race with the Devil]], [[Susan Hoffman]], [[Starscream's Ghost]], [[Horri-Bull]], and a few others. Links will be on is a article on [http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Ghostbusters_Cameos Ghostbusters Cameos]. Note I believe that the section will be better built soon.[[User:Devilmanozzy|Devilmanozzy]] 20:21, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Seems like there's a few other connections in terms of voice actors ([[Tara Strong]], [[Frank Welker]], [[Maurice LaMarche]] etc) as well. I think linking between the two sites is a good idea. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:37, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Yeah I had noticed that too as I looked around here the last few days. Never knew how much Ghostbusters and Transformers had in common.[[User:Devilmanozzy|Devilmanozzy]] 23:40, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::While I'm broadly in favour of this, could you maybe change "[[Starscream's Ghost]]" to "[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream's ghost]]" - I understand you want to keep the ghost theme going but the first is a link to an unrelated episode of the cartoon series, rather than the character himself. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 07:02, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::OK Emvee, I fixed the link on the Ghostbusters wiki as you requested. Devilmanozzy, ''[[Star Wars]]'' also has a [[Darth Vader|lot in common]] with ''Transformers''. --[[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 14:52, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

== Quick Links? ==

You know, now that I think about it, one thing Wikia actually did do right was having some "Quick Links" on the sidebar. I find myself missing being able to quickly get to the main continuities/series without having to search or click to the Main Page first. (Especially now that there's lots o' ROTF toys to keep tabs on...)

Nothing extensive necessary; just one linkie thingy with a fly-out menu for our six main continuities and the full series list would probably work nicely. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 03:03, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

:I think notably M.Sipher *really* hated that because any time a cursor went within a parsec of the menu, it would pop out in an annoying manner. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:09, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::Wasn't just Sipher - it drove me nuts too. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 09:09, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Well, in that case, maybe just an extra sidemenu then, kind of like the "Campaign Navigation" box on [http://trinsic.alienharmony.com/Main_Page this sidebar]? I just figured that a fly-out menu would save space, but an extra link sidebar would work for me too.
:::But I'd definitely like something. As Abates points out below, we don't currently have any sidebar links for actually ''browsing''. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:47, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Could we make so that they're fly-out menus, but that they only fly-out if you actually click on the title? That would save room while avoiding things jumping out when you're waving the cursor around. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:11, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

:I think having a link on the sidebar for Revenge of the Fallen would be good too. While the Community portal and Recent Changes links are great for us Editors, they're not likely to be used much by casual visitors. We should be using the menu to draw attention to major articles. While I'm thinking about it, we could probably change the Main Page link to read "Transformers Wiki"... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:11, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

Would anyone object if I went ahead and popped a link to [[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]] in the navigation menu? I'm thinking between "Main Page" and "Community portal". --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:44, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
:I'm not of the upper brass but given the increasing coverage of ROTF as we come down the wire, it'd make the most sense. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 19:00, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

== We need a new adspace ==

The TFwiki on our new server is doing super mega amounts of bandwidth! (Note I've broken up the OPtimus Prime (G1) page, because, dude, that thing was a monster.) So, uh, I think we need to add a new adspace. One that's *above* the fold, since the ones we have are shoved down in the corner where no one can see them. What advertiser would want to dump loads of money on those? What I'm proposing is a 486x60 banner-shaped ad up above the "article/discussion/edit/history/delete/move/watch" links, nestled in between the Teletraan 1 image and the personal toolbar. (You know, OUTSIDE of the content.) If this is a terrible idea, I will also accept $5 donations. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:14, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
:I've no qualms with that. That was one of the "acceptable" adspaces, if I recall from the old discussions.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:18, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
::Long as they don't dance or talk or sing, that'll work. Are we actively pursuing advertisers these days? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:22, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Well, "actively pursuing advertisers" is somewhat incompatible with our current ad setup. To put an ad on our site now, that requires signing up with Project Wonderful and bidding. This is good for us because it's mostly automated. If we were to set up a "real" in the traditional sense, we'd need a full-time ad pursuer to fill those spots. The best we can do in our current situation is to try to convince Big Bad Toy Store and its ilk to sign up for Project Wonderful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:33, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
:IIRC, above-the-article is what we wanted Wikia to switch ''back'' to. I have no objection. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:20, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
:Works for me. How does Ant handle TFU.info's advertising? [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 12:35, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

:Doesn't bother me... but can we either put it ''under'' the personal bar, or somehow make it so the personal bar would wrap? Otherwise, I'm staring at the top of my screen and realizing that I'd have an annoying horizontal scroll bar afterwards whenever I'm logged in.
:I have to admit I'm kind of befuddled that we're apparently doing so much more traffic after the move than we were before, to the point of having all those initial problems because we weren't expecting it. Did the new server somehow improve our traffic, it is sheer coincidence that traffic increased for other reasons, or was it more like the old server wasn't keeping track of bandwidth or anything, so we had no idea how we were actually doing? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:38, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
::Hosting with Bookworm was cheap. I mean, he was doing it at-cost. Or would have, if he ever invoiced us. Now that we've moved on, we're purchasing hosting from people who actually want to make money off us. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:41, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Well, the money's part of it, but I was also thinking about how most of our initial operational troubles seemed to stem from having more traffic to deal with than we realized we were going to have, to the point of even having to run a caching setup I'm guessing we weren't running on the old server. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:45, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
::::The way Bookworm had his servers set up, it was difficult for him to separate out what was our traffic versus what was other traffic on the same server. He gave us an estimate which turned out to be wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:55, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Aah, OK. Wasn't sure if it was something we needed to worry about or not. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:29, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

:::::I was kinda expecting this :( I'm cool with more banners, and I think you should beg us for money now and then. We may be able to help when we can. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:15, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
::Yeah, that's mainly what I thought Walky meant. Nestled between the personal bar and the article tabs seems like fertile ground for a banner ad.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:39, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
I've got the ad code ready to go, whenever we can edit the CSS or whatever to make room. Here is our awesome new placeholder "please bid here" graphic: [https://www.projectwonderful.com/imagewrapper.php?img=img/uploads/pics/20719-1244569575.jpg&rand=439981] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:48, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
:Looks good so far. Potentially odd question: are these particular dimensions popular with Project Wonderful?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:55, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
::The Leaderboard (700ishx90) and the Big Box (300x250) are the most popular sizes, but those would really ugly up our page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:58, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
:::And now it has its first client! That was fast.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:52, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Ahhh, Dreamland Chronicles is awesome. I spent a week a few months back reading through their archives after following an ad on our sidebar. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:20, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::One interesting thing looking at the Project Wonderful stats is that our ad hits are ''stabilizing'' now, and they're stabilizing fairly high relative to where they were when the site was still spotty. That's got to look good for advertisers, and if the site holds up to the abuse that the film debut is going to subject it to that's only beneficial to us in the end.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:48, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

[[Image:Ptbar-notmeanttobehere.png|thumb|This = bad]]
Uh, I'm using Monobook, and as a result of this, the watchlist/preferences/etc bar has somehow ended up at the ''bottom'' of the page, just above the About Transformers Wiki/Powered by MediaWiki/etc... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 10:36, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:I got that on a couple of pages, too, and alt+F5ing didn't work. How I fixed it was I signed out and viewed those same pages as an anon. The userbar went back to where it should be, and it stayed there when I logged in again. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 10:49, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
::Tried that, didn't work.
::In fact, it's worse than I thought, because I didn't notice at first that the page/discussion/edit tabs have gone wandering too, and are floating around the place (the "discussion" and "edit" tabs are currently in the middle of this edit box, and I can't see the others anywhere). - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 10:58, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:::'''THE PROBLEM IS IN common.css'''.
:::The following CSS borks monobook. This is why you should use the specific stylesheets for each skin, NOT the common file:
<pre>
#p-personal {
position: relative;
}

#p-personal .pBody {
float: right;
}

#p-cactions {
position: relative;
}

#content {
margin-top: 16px !important;
position: relative;
}</pre>
:::-[[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 11:30, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

The new ad space at the top of the page, which was fine yesterday, is now looking screwy in Firefox, with the ad behind the top of the Autobot symbol in the logo and the tabs at the top of the bar. Like so: [[Image:Top-ad-screwy.jpg|thumb]] --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:43, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:Works fine for me in 3.0.10 and 3.5b99, both after clearing cache.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:47, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:I made some CSS modifications in response to SanityOrMadness's issue, which may cache improperly. Try a hard refresh/clearing your cache. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 16:51, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
::Okay, clearing my cache fixed it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:19, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

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==Consolidate front page?==
[[Image:Newfrontpage062009.jpg|thumb]]
Man, that front banner is huge! Can it be smaller? And when we make it smaller, can we stack up the top-most two boxes next to it like so? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:58, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
: The cropped image shown, of course, is just a placeholder. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:00, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
::That looks about as clunky as Wikia's frontpage, IMO.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:05, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Well, it's not fine-tuned or anything. Thing is, either that banner's going to be cut down or removed entirely. It's huge, it's bandwidth-wasting, and it pushes all our real content down off the page. What's your choice? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:07, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I'm probably knee-jerking based on the placement of the boxes. I guess it could be made to work if it's finessed a bit. It's not like we're running a ginormous ad there like Wikia was suggesting.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:31, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I dunno, personally I like this new idea. It reminds me of how our franchise navs look: Logo on the left, linkage on the right. Plus, yeah, unlike Wikia, our content on the right of the logo will actually be... content.
:::::As for logo ideas, why don't we make a few different options where it's the TFWiki.net logo over a pic of a single character? We could have one for Prime, Megatron, Starscream, Jazz, etc. using the <OPTION> thingy. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:37, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::As long as the site-name logo thing itself is HUGE. I really want to make sure the URL is shoved in your face. Branding continues to be important as we war against Wikia for Google prominence. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:40, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::If branding's important, why not change the actual on-every-page logo to use the actual TFWiki.net logo? And put TFWiki.net in the page <title>? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 11:01, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Alternately, each one could be a group shot from a different franchise, with the font altered to match. Play up how many different continuities there are, eh?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:00, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
[[Image:Newfrontpage062009b.jpg|thumb]]
::::::::This image to the right is what I'm now thinking. And it should probably have movie characters predominantly, at least for the next few months. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:04, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::I'm inclined to agree with sticking with the movie characters now, considering it's almost two weeks till the US premiere/release. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 17:19, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

That's pretty darn good. Brings a lot more info above the fold, and the layout's pretty clean. The white background is good too, so any other images in the rotation should follow that example.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:21, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
:How do we make it done? The table markup on the frontpage is foreign to me. I'll upload the new image itself... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:32, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
::Since Derik doesn't seem to be about yet, I'll have a go with it. Hmm. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:42, 9 June 2009 (EDT)--[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:42, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Actually, we're really going to have to do something like your first example above, with the Continuity/Category tables underneath each other instead of side-by-side, because trying to fit the logo and the two tables all side-by-side looks hideously awful on a 1024px-wide screen. I tried just simply having the smaller logo, the text notices under it, and the two tables on the right, but it looked kind of... eh. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:04, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Mrr. OK, I made ''an'' attempt at tweaking, although I think it's going to need some external CSS tweaks at least, if only to center the Continuities table. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 03:44, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Looks okay, but the jarring thing about it is that the red and blue boxes aren't the same width, though they share a column.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:19, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::That's something Derik needs to tweak in the Featured box template and/or external CSS... I can't do it just by editing the page itself.
::::::Also, yea or nay on the link buttons? It just seemed a little more "Click me!" than the paragraph o' links. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:49, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::I dig 'em. Good design decision, IMO. --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:52, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Quite aside from anything else... what's the point in liking to tfwiki.info with an image link. It ''just about'' made sense as a text link, but is only going to confuse people who click on the Autobot symbol and end up back where they started. We need to cut down on main page-to-main page links, '''not''' obfuscate where they link to. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 17:30, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Visual consistency. (And the mouseover text indicated it was an "alternate URL".) But, I tried tweaking it again. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:52, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::It's fixed! Huzzah!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:46, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I realized I was just approaching it the wrong way. Eheh. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:15, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

: I'm a little ambivalent towards the "new" logo, just because I think it's a little bland, although I'm sure it's a work in progress. I am all for putting "TFWIKI.net" in the header and all over the fucking place as a branding effort, though. On a slightly related note, I'd consider flipping the "current series" in said box, so ROTF is closer to the center of the page and Animated is on the outside - if we're really trying to bring in ROTF traffic, having that logo front and center is probably a pretty smart idea. I also like the idea of a rotating logo box - maybe we even jigger it so that it links directly to the article for whoever's in it - like the Go! Boxes, but focused entirely on core characters (More Fallen, Movie Optimus, etc., less Irwin Spoon and Dinobots Strike Back). Stick with primary Movie-verse guys for now, and then in a month or so when the hype dies down, we can start to shuffle in some sufficiently advanced and significant articles (making sure that the characters are both important to the fiction and that their articles are nearly, if not entirely complete). [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 11:17, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:That sounds like a good idea. I'm down with that. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:00, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

[[Image:Boxswap.jpg|right|350px]]
I has new idea for what module ought to be above the fold, and more ROTF promotiony stuff. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:15, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:Sure, I'd go for it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:26, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

Considering how crowded and text-heavy the front page is, I think the best way to draw attention to the banner is to surround it in as much empty space as possible, [[User:Magnus Maximus/Temp|something like this]], especially as the new banner's white background assimilates the page's whitespace so easily. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 03:10, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
:I'm not sure how that's really different than it is now, other than putting the site notice at the top... which I kind of hate doing, because that pushes all of the content stuff down. The site notice is temporary anyway.
:I was thinking we ought to make the movie stuff more prominent, rather than the continuity/category modules. I was also thinking of placing the banner, site notice, and external website links in one cell instead of two like it is now, which further creates whitespace... I just didn't think of that until after I made the layout change proposal pic.
:I do agree/think maybe we could stand to lose a few modules, though... maybe ditch the Categories module entirely, and consolidate the Holy Grails and Editing Tips somehow. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 03:32, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
::Oh yeah, you're running a 1024 desktop, aren't you? I changed my res to 1024, and you're right, it really doesn't look much different. But [http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3349/tfwikitemp1280.jpg this] is how it looks in 1280, and even that little bit of extra space makes a huge difference compared with how it is [http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4606/tfwikinow1280.jpg now] (in my opinion).
::I agree about the notice, but I couldn't think where else to put it. Putting it under the banner (thus between the blue and grey boxes) made it seem wedged-in and out of place. Lesser of two evils, you dig?
::I also agree about making the movie stuff more prominent, but the red and blue boxes are narrower, so they take up less of the horizontal space. I did think that maybe we could change the featured series box so that ROTF is ''on top'' of Animated instead of beside it, and shift that up next to the banner somewhat like it is on my temp page now. That also adapts to 1024 better, I think.
::And yeah, losing some of the boxes would not be the worst thing in the world. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 03:52, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Ehh... my problem with that idea is that, one of the reasons we redesigned the Main Page to begin with is because our greeting was so big that it was pushing useful content down below the fold. This sort of recreates that exact same problem.
:::But, I tried tweaking my Main Page design here: [[User:Jeysie/Main Page]] to give more whitespace. I figure that once the movie's been out for a while and we don't need to pimp it as much, we can replace the Featured Characters box with the Continuities box. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:50, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

::I was looking at the front page right now and thinking about some things - I'm glad to see most of them are in line with what's already considered. :)
::That said, I suggest taking TFA out of the featured series box, even if only temporarily, and using the [[:Image:Revenge fallen logo.jpg|logo from the franchise page]]. I feel it's more recognisable as the ROTF logo than the more colourful one we have there, plus we can make it a bit bigger.
::I also wonder if we should have "Transformers Wiki" written on there somewhere other than the site logo in the sidebar. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:11, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
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:::: "TFWIKI.net - THE Transformers Wiki"? [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 07:49, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I made up a [[:Image:Wikilogo big.psd|PSD template]] of just such a logo this morning. It's layered, so the transparent overlay of the Autobot leaders is optional.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:18, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::I definitely prefer the font of the current TFWIKI.NET logo to that one.
::::::Whatever we ultimately do though, surely we should use the same logo EVERYWHERE, including for the top-left logo, ja? (There's also the recurring thought that we have a G1 Autobot sigil for the top-left logo, but a '''G2''' Autobot sigil for the favicon. I understand that the G2 favicon is unique, which was the main reason we went for it, but if we're thinking about branding...) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 12:37, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

===Logo===
[[Image:TFwikilogomock.png|right]]
If we want to be movie-centric AND use the TFWiki.net logo extensively for branding reasons, shouldn't we change the Animated-based logo to something more like this? (NB: Quick mock to make a point, '''not''' intended to be actually used, and may clash with the Teletraan on the Monacobook skin). - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 17:30, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:I think we do need to keep some visual distinctiveness. If we go too far into the grey look of the movie we end up with understandable confusion concerning its resemblance to [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/File:Monaco-logo.png this].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:59, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
::Yeah. I'm really really fine with keeping our current page design/color scheme. The Wikia site is really gray, and I'd rather not veer to close to that. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:48, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:::[Joke Suggestion] How about we make ours ''on fire''? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:27, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
::::It wouldn't actually be ''that'' hard to do... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:08, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

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This is the place for discussion of topics that affect the entire wiki. Some topics that would ordinarily be here have merited their own pages:

'''The move away from Wikia:'''
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal/Complaints]]

'''Our policy on having ads in the wiki:'''
* [[Transformers Wiki:Ads]]

'''The Bookworm database-crash:'''
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central]]
* [[Project:Bookworm Crash]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving2]]

'''The server move:'''
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving2]]

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== Quotes ==
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Quotes now seem to look like this:

{{quote|Freedom is the right of all sentient beings|Optimus Prime}}

when IIRC before the crash they look like this:

{{bigquote|Freedom is the right of all sentient beings|Optimus Prime}}

Now, it seems we can get the second result using the <nowiki>{{bigquote}}</nowiki> template instead of the basic <nowiki>{{quote}}</nowiki> template that is currently populating most of the pages.

I'm of the opinion that the bigquote look is much more pleasing to the eye and it also seemed to be the norm before the crash. Should we change the quotes to bigquotes on individual pages or just have someone with template knowledge make a change there? --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 23:29, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
:Discussion on [[Template_talk:Quote]] suggests that bigquote is the old style and quote is the new style. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:37, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
::Mind you I didn't ''ask'' anyone before swapping styles-- the intention was to give people a chance to evaluate the new look, but we only had it for a few days before the crash... so I don't think anyone noticed. :p
::It's my opinion that the old quote template took up too much space-- which is find for a single quote at the top of an article when you want to make a big thing of it, but I thought ''most'' uses of the template would look nicer with s smaller visual footprint. (Plus the html is more contextual.)
::Some people seem to dislike the chevron-style quoting... it's consistent with what, at the time, were our new reference templates-- also lost in the crash. The real appeal, to me, is that it lets you put quotes ''inside'' the quote template (such as an exchange between characters) without looking weird. The way we ''used'' to do that was multiple quote templates in a row, which (being oversize already) resulted in a massive on-screen footprint.
::If the consensus is to switch to the bigQuote format for all quotes instead of the smaller one, I guess that's the community's perogative... but I'm gonna argue against it until that decision is made.
::I ''like'' bitQuote-- it's great if you want a quote to be a big thing. Most of the time you don't. When you do-- why not just use <nowiki>{{bigquote}}</nowiki>? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:48, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Ahhh, my mistake! I coulda sworn I'd seen quote in use longer! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:55, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

::Why I don't like "quote":
::#It's ugly.
::#It's '''bigger''' than bigQuote. That seems to defeat the whole point.
::#Single guillemots ''don't get used as quotation marks in English'' and so '''they don't parse as quotation marks'''.
::#It's '''incredibly''' ugly.
::#And finally-if-slightly-tangentially, there's a conscious effort, it seems, to change all "bigquotes" to "quotes", which defeats the whole point of having two templates.
::Definite vote to revert - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 11:35, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

I vote against the revert. I do not like the old quote style, as noted on the above-linked discussion page. All we need to do is change the guillemots to quote marks and it's fine by me. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:08, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
In accordance with the general wishes of the community, the quotes have been changed from guillemots to standard quotation... though I think it looks terribly ''silly'' that way. You can see just how silly over at [[Template_talk:Quote]]. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:57, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
:Well, one day after updating the quote template, I finally ran into ''exactly'' the scenario I was talking about in regards to quotes within quotes. I need to quote this passage (which includes but is not composed exclusively of dialog) for an article.
{{quote|"Farewell Optimus prime," [Starscream] whispered to himself. "Time for Endspark."|[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]|[[Ghosts of Yesterday]] p280}}
:That looks absolutely retarded. The guillemots may have been ugly-- but they were at least ''clear''. And none of the user suggestions (including [[User:Abates]] idea of using multiple parameters for a series of quotes) applies here-- because the text is ''inline''.
:You all suck. Does anyone have any suggestions ''other'' than guillemots to make that look less retarded? Because <nowiki>{{bigquote}}</nowiki> looks even ''worse''. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:53, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
::[http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp Rule four] suggests it should look like this:
{{quote|'Farewell Optimus prime,' [Starscream] whispered to himself. 'Time for Endspark.'|[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]|[[Ghosts of Yesterday]] p280}}
::although you could also use ‘ and ’ maybe? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:33, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
:::I have restore the guillemots as an ''optional flag.'' (style=2) The entire ''point'' of using a non-english quotation mark was to avoid conflicts with English quotation marks, so the guillemots seem like a good fallback position when there is a conflict.
{{quote|'Farewell Optimus prime,' [Starscream] whispered to himself. 'Time for Endspark.'|[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]|[[Ghosts of Yesterday]] p280|style=2}}
:::This necessitated html and css changes, so some quotes may look funny for the next 24 hours or so until the pages de-cache. (They'll preview properly, and if you save them they'll look right... but left on their own they will re-cache with the updated <nowiki>{{quote}}</nowiki> HTML in short order, so don't bother.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:50, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

::Uh, why not take the easy route. '''Leave out the opening and closing quotation marks when you post''', and the template fills them in. i.e.,
{{quote|Farewell Optimus prime," [Starscream] whispered to himself. "Time for Endspark.|[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]|[[Ghosts of Yesterday]] p280}}
::There you go, simple and doesn't involve guillemots that don't parse for anyone. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 05:01, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
:::What a lovely mix of smart and dumb quotes you have created. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:46, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
::::Given the use of a monospaced font, it doesn't make sense to use "smart" quotation marks anyway... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 07:24, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

:I prefer the old style quotes. Nobody can make me use the new ones. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:09, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
::I agree, for all the reasons that SanityOrMadness listed above (especially points 1, 2 and 4)[[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 13:44, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
::I completely don't care about this discussion, but I must take the time to point out that it's "guillemet". "Guillemot" is a bird, which is decidedly not relevant to this discussion. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:49, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

I don't think the normal quotes show up properly in IE6 and a normal quote overlaps an image on http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Protoform so that needs to be fixed or bigquote restored.[[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 11:08, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
:That's a note, not a quote. The site unfortunately has plenty of problems in IE6, mostly caused by Microsoft's crappy rendering engine. A few of them linger in IE7 too... We really need to come up with a replacement for the messageboxes which doesn't lose the right-hand edge for one thing. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:48, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

== Redirects while editing ==

Go to [[User:Derik/Sandbox7]], hit edit, then ''preview''. (Hitting shift-refresh might be required to clear out your CSS cache if the effect isn't apparent.)

Links to redirects are highlighted ''in preview mode only''. If it's not highlighted, you know you're pointing to an actual page rather than a redirect. Should probably make it easier to just ''guess'' on a lot of links while still being assured you're picking valid ones.

(Pink is a terrible color to use for this. Any suggestions on how this should be styled? Sparkle-background?) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:46, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
:Would making them simply underlined be too subtle? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:15, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
::I worry it's too subtle. What about this?
::If that's too subtle I could break out the sparkling text and have the wiki chant "Septus, Dominus!" every time you mouse over it...-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:30, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

Aw, what's wrong with the pink? I think that one's clear enough. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 00:39, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

Not bad. At least this way it'll be easier to catch the redirects, applying changes when necessary. Although pink... I think it'd be better if the color was a different contrast if it's in the colored section of the templates (as in the episode/comic templates). --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 01:34, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
:Abates suggested underlining... since the redirects ''only'' show up that way when in preview mode, I think it'd be a good idea to have multiple visual indications. (I don't think the previous/next links on the comicnav, for example, will change color... because they already ''have'' a color set. If you have multiple indicators (color underline, etc...) chances are at least one will remain noticable no matter what happens.
:Does anyone hate the blinking? (It's a firefox-only style.) Normally I HATE anything that blinks because its distracting, but the whole point here is to be able to easily spot the redirects. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:58, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
::Eh, blinking's fine. Not that of a biggy for me. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:08, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

::It's only in the preview and not in the saved pages, so the blinking is ok so far as I'm concerned! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:15, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
::I think the feature is great? But yes, I hate the blinking. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:03, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
This might be a good time to mention this, but just because a link is pink and flashy doesn't necessarily mean it is a mistake needing fixing, right? It is sometimes OK to use redirect links. If you are talking about Goldbug it is OK (and preferable in my opinion) to link to [[Goldbug (G1)]] and let the redirect do the work. I think having it stand out so much would tend to have editors feel the need to clean them all out. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:17, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
:::There is potential for that. I agree that sometimes redirects are okay... <nowiki>*shrug*</nowiki> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:44, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

How about "safety orange" or yellow? Those are universal "danger/warning" colors. (And less puke-inducing for me than pink). I don't mind the blinking either, considering that the idea is that the indicator is ''supposed'' to annoy the hell out of you until you change it. (FWIW, the whole thing works fine in Opera 9.63, too.)

As for Starfield's comment, eh, I just don't see it 99% of the time. If I wanted to link to something like Goldbug or Rodimus Prime, I would do <nowiki>[[Bumblebee (G1)|Goldbug]]</nowiki> or <nowiki>[[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]]</nowiki> instead. About the only time I could see it useful is if you were doing linking related to a spoiler (like Longarm Prime vs. Shockwave, for instance), but even then you'd still only need to do it for a month at most. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:15, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
:I don't personally see the sense in manually redirecting to Hot Rod when you are talking Rodimus Prime when there is perfectly valid actual redirect to use. You aren't talking about "Hot Rod". It is like word-linking that way, like you are trying to fake out the reader. "Rodimus Prime" is that character's name in that point of the story. I always thought that was the primary purpose of having redirects, and search boxes were secondary.
:Plus there is the added benefit of when you use the "what links here" page, you see what pages link to "Rodimus Prime", which is interesting information that is lost if everything links to "Hot Rod". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:53, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
::Because it's the same character. We say "Spike" or "Daniel", but link to their full name. If someone refers to Bumblebee as a "giant yellow Volkswagon robot" in something, we might use that phrasing in the synopsis, but we'd still link to Bumblebee, not to "giant yellow Volkswagon robot" as a redirect. Etc. It's not a fakeout, it's just using the proper contextual name in the text, but cutting out the middleman for the actual link.
::Redirects can make linking easier for editors who don't know immediately what the proper link might be, so we don't end up with accidental duplicate pages (or as a shorter way to link to something like an oft-used section link), but on the whole I think it's mostly useful for searches.
::In short, while not all redirect linking is something to worry about, per se, I don't see anything wrong with encouraging editors to hunt down the correct linkage, even in those sorts of edge cases. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:19, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
:::"Goldbug" was a character in the comic [[Used Autobots]], the character was ''not'' "Bumblebee". In that way, it is different than using Spike's full name, or even [[Peter Parker]] vs [[Spider-Man]]. I think a link on the [[Used Autobots]] article to <nowiki>[[Bumblebee (G1)|Goldbug]]</nowiki> is incorrect because there was no "Bumblebee" in the story. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:36, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
::::And yet, Bumblebee and Goldbug don't have separate articles, because we treat them as being the same character. *shrugs a little* I don't ''care'' either way, really, and wouldn't consider it worth worrying about if someone linked to Goldbug, I just don't see that as more correct. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:47, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::Bumblebee/Goldbug is the same character. That is ''why'' I think it is OK to link to "Goldbug", even more correct to do so when you are talking about Goldbug. "Goldbug" is not a nickname for "Bumblebee", Goldbug is that character, at that point in the story. The article could be named "Goldbug (G1)" with Bumblebee redirecting to it or "Bumblebee/Goldbug", but for our, somewhat arbitrary, naming rules. I don't disagree with the naming rules, but just because the article is called "Bumblebee" doesn't mean that that always linking to "Bumblebee" is correct. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:00, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::And yet, even if you link to Goldbug, when you click on the link, you still end up at a page titled "Bumblebee (G1)". Is the little "redirected from" note really that crucial a difference? (Especially since the intro mentions the Goldbug change right at the top anyway.) It just seems like a difference that makes no difference to me. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:05, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Yes, when you link to Goldbug, you end up at the right spot, so why the big push to not link to Goldbug when you are talking about Goldbug? And yes, in some way I like seeing "redirected from", it lets me know that Goldbug is just as correct but the title is called "Bumblebee" out of convenience. And don't forget about the "What links here" feature. It is a little useful being able to sort out the Goldbug references. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:19, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::Someone requested I link-fix a bunch of minor variants of Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime ot all point to "Hot Rod (G1)". Instead I split them, pointing to "Hot Rod (G1)" and "Rodimus Prime (G1)" as appropriate-- in case we one day decide to split the articles like we do Megatron/Galvatron.
::::::The same principle applies. A split is ''unlikely'', but this way if we ''do'' split the articles, all the links are already pointing to the appropriate destination, instead of having to sort through 500+ incoming links ''by hand'' (that's abotu the number Hot Rod has...) to figure out which need to go where. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:57, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

::::::::''Is the little "redirected from" note really that crucial a difference?''
::::::::For me, yes, it kinda is. It lets me know that the powers-that-be have decided that "Goldbug" is heavily subordinate to the character of Bumblebee, that they are well and truly one and the same, that there's not some other Goldbug article out there that I'm missing. That in itself is a significant bit of information, even before I've started reading the text. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:09, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

I think that the "What Links Here" issue is a fair point. But IMHO if you need the little "redirected from" note to tell you're in the right place instead of just by reading the intro, you're either lazy or the intro needs rewriting. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:14, 22 April 2009 (EDT) 
Edit: Realized I should mention that I'm liking the blinky thingy so far... it used to be annoying having to click through every new link I was adding to make sure it was the proper direct link instead of a redirect. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:18, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
:We should have one standard for linking or not linking to redirect pages. I much prefer being able to link to redirect pages and not get reverted, but I would go along with the other way if that is the standard. I started a draft proposal for a standard to be added to the style guide at my [[User:Starfield/Redirect linking|sandbox]]. Please feel free to comment or edit it or add reasons for/against. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:51, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

==Franchise identifier consistency==
At the moment, we have 34 "G1" articles with an identifier of a specific Japanese sub-franchise to distinguish them from articles on usually Western/G1 material. We also have about 9 "G1" articles who use a different kind of identifier, on basis that the Japanese continuities are G1. 
This already led to a bit of moving around with the Grandus article between (G1) and (ROC) when the Animated guy was introduced. To prevent that happening with the Dai Atlas, Sky Garry and possibly Cancer articles, I'd like to have the community make a decision on how to deal with the (G1) identifier vs the (Headmasters), (Masterforce), (Victory), (Zone), (ROC) and (OC) identifiers vs whatever else can be/is used as identifier. 
My preference would be to use the Japanese sub-franchise identifiers. Simple and in line with the whole "from the (Japanese franchise) portion of the G1 continuity" on top of those pages. For convenience, here's a list of the moves it would mean:
*Sandstorm (Autobot) -> Sandstorm (G1) (Note: we have a SG Sandstorm now, so (Autobot) it can't stay anyway.)
*Sandstorm (Decepticon) -> Sandstorm (OC)
*Falcon (Predator) -> Falcon (G1)
*Falcon (Micromaster) -> Falcon (OC)
*Ricochet (G1 Autobot) -> Ricochet (Headmasters)
*Metrotitan (G1) -> Metrotitan (Zone)
*Grandus (G1) -> Grandus (ROC)
*Star Saber (G1) -> Star Saber (Victory)
*Joe (Micromaster) -> Joe (ROC)
*Circuit (Action Master) -> Circuit (G1)
*Circuit (Micromaster) -> Circuit (OC)
*Convertor (Micromaster) -> Convertor (OC)
*Convertor (Recyclon) -> Convertor (G1), but I'm in favour of leaving this one as (Recyclon) because all other Recyclons with an identifier use (Recyclon).
Thoughts? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 03:48, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

:Sky Garry etc... all fall under (G1.) Widest possible identifier when there's no conflict.
:This confuses people because we use specific franchises for UT characters... but the UT has SO MUCH name overlap it'd be pointless-- no one would have the (UT) identifier even if it was standard. G1 has little enough name overlap internal to itself we can make (G1) the default.
:So it's inconsistent--but it's at least ''consistently'' inconsistent. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:55, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
::Diver, Planet X, Hydra, maaaaybe Overlord... No, we're not consistently inconsistent either. And now I'm only looking at G1 West vs Japan. With BW, we do seem to be consistent in acknowledging its Japanese sub-franchises in identifiers. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 07:20, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

::What's this "widest possible identifier," Derik? Didn't we go through that huge "Swarm (G1)" debate (which seems to have been ''completely lost'' in the Bookworm crash, fantastic) to cement the franchise-of-origin rule forever and ever amen? The only question here is: What counts as a separate franchise? To my mind, ''Zone'' bears about the same relationship to G1 as G2 does. And, as the Swarm debate established, G2 is never ever G1 as far as parentheticals are concerned. The UT example has nothing to do with what you said and everything to do with our one simple rule. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:21, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
:::...I don't remember anymore. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:31, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
::::At least remember to curse the name of Bookworm for three to seven generations. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:59, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::Side note: Actually, the bit of the discussion that was on my User Page subpage isn't lost. I just didn't upload it anywhere because we never actually determined a good permanent place to move it to, so I didn't know ''where'' to upload it to. After a quickie Google search, it turns out there's still a good cache file for the Insecticon Swarm talk page, too. Anyhoo. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 02:19, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::Hey, whatever you can find and restore, please do. The biggest value of preserving a debate like that is never having to go through it again. I'd say you should re-make your Sandbox and its Talk page exactly as they were before. I don't think a more "permanent" place is necessary; it's an aborted experiment, so it can stay on an "experimental" page. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 03:11, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

:::::I'm for moving those pages. Except for "OC" since it's based on a bad translation of a Japanese title. 合体大作戦 (''Gattai Daisakusen'') means "Great Combination Operation". Everybody who knows this, including me, just has been too lazy to correct it. (And Derik, the punctuation for a sentence is out of the parentheses. I'm not sure why you consistently make that mistake.) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:54, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::Then maybe this is a good moment to correct it? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 03:55, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Well, problem is that "Operation Combination", as incorrect as it is, is what the majority of English people know it as. And then what to have the disambiguation parentheses as? "(GCO)"? I would prefer to have it as "Gattai Daisakusen", but my opinion of forgoing unofficial translations is decidedly unpopular. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:13, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Then it depends on what this wiki cares more about: helping people find information or providing them with the correct information. By what you're saying, I'd say Operation Combination should become a redirect to the correctly named article. And from there, I don't think (OC) is going to be anymore clear on what continuity it represents than (GCO) or (GD). I don't think many will immediately guess "OC" stands for Operation Combination, and that's also not the point of identifiers. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 08:21, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::::I'm in favor of using the Japanese sub-franchise names. I checked Beast Wars and we are using the sub-franchise names for that, (BWII), (BWN) so this would be consistent. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 08:51, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Except as someone (Interrobang?) keeps pointing out-- that's problematic in itself. There was no BWII Toyline. There was a BWII cartoon... and a Beast Wars Toyline. Japan considers all 4 BW series paer of 1 toyline franchise, much like Generation 1. (This argument hasn't received a lot of traction, but I'm bringing it up because it seems relevant.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:19, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::FortMax brought it up at least twice. One could argue that since we focus on fiction, we should base our disambiguation system on it, but I dunno how to reconcile that with [[Cryotek (RID)]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:13, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Or [[Sideways (RID)]]. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:34, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::Sideways at least got a RID bio. All Cryotek gets is a quote. (And what if they have RID fiction with Cryotek in it? RID and BM are in two different continuity families which means we have to split the articles and argharghargh) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:19, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::Disambiguating by fiction has been argued. It doesn't work/help. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:52, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::<nowiki>*bump*</nowiki> So, I like Geewunling's proposal. Objections? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:14, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::The Wiki calls Headmasters, Beast Wars II, etc. "franchises." I didn't know the weren't until just now. It seems useful enough to do so, even if it isn't 100% historically accurate. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:07, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

== Technical question: Firefox and history pages ==

Is anyone else running the latest version of Firefox and having trouble with the history pages? I'm running Firefox 3.0.10 and when I look at, say, the [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Optimus_Primal&limit=500&action=history Optimus Primal history page], Firefox locks up for half a minute while it runs the javasript to hide half of the radio buttons. It does it on two different computers running the same version of Firefox, but I don't have the same problem on Wikipedia or Wikia. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:56, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
:Oh wow, that ''was'' a pretty nasty stutter I got when I tried to reproduce your issue. Same version, same results.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:00, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
::Ayep, same here. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:02, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Issue also reproduced on my home PC, which has more get up and go than my workstation, with Firefox 3.5 beta 4.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:34, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Ditto on my notebook and tower unit. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:06, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
::::...interesting. Why just firefox? (Clearly the 500+ items are an issue here-- but Safari has no problem with 500 items.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:26, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::I'd be curious to know as well. I specifically tried it again with the beta release because it uses a different (and supposedly more efficient) Javascript engine.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:30, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::And why only here and not on Wikipedia? Is there that much of a change in the Javascript between MediaWiki 1.12 and 1.14? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:32, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

Dropped down to Firefox 2...20 there to test, and clicking the radio buttons doesn't take very long, but the page DOES lock up for a while on initial load. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 18:28, 2 May 2009 (EDT)
:And FF 1.5.10 behaves as-FF2. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 18:38, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

== Bad images ==

My scanner is a piece o' crap. Is it better to upload dark and grainy pictures with a "badimage" tag or just put up a "picsneeded" tag? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:38, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
:Depends. With recent comic stuff, I think "pics needed" would be better, as there's a good chance that someone else will have the issue (or can find scans, *cough*). I replaced all the Defiance ones, for instance. If you have in mind specific scenes you would have scanned, you can always leave a suggestion in the picsneeded tag or on the talk page.
:On the other hand, for stuff that's old or rare, where it might be a choice between a bad image or never having an image, IMHO a bad image is better than nothing.
:(If you ever replace your scanner, I recommend the Canon MP210. I use it with Irfanview, and god I love the thing. Prints like a charm, too.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:00, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

== New User Template ==

I remember... someone before the crash (FortMax maybe?) suggesting the idea of a template we can stick on the talk pages of new users to welcome them. I rather liked the idea, so I started a mockup idea here: [[User:Jeysie/NewUser]] Any ideas for a pic, info to add/change, etc?

Also, I noticed we don't have a New Users log enabled the way Wikia does... if we do create this sort of thing, having that sort of log would be helpful. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:21, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
:We'd need to either upgrade to MediaWiki 1.14 or install [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Newuserlog the extension] to get the new users log. It would be ''very'' useful, I'm thinking. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:35, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

== Screencap templates ==

Er... you know we can ''edit'' the text that appears on the file upload screen. Anyone got a list of screencap templates?

(I think you might even be able to set them up for one-click adding.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:37, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
:They are all listed at [[Transformers Wiki:Images]], to my knowledge. I added all the ones I knew of.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:42, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
::[[User:Derik/Sandbox7|This]] is what I'm looking at. It's kinda fugy. Anyone else want to take a whack at it? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:16, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

I'm also working at templating the comics images:
*{{tl|MarvelUScover}} (Marvel US G1), {{tl|HMcover}} (Marvel Headmasters mini) and {{tl|MarvelG2cover}} are maxed out.
*I ''think'' I've got all the extant & relevant images for {{tl|MarvelG2interior}} - although I can't absolutely swear to it
*I'm currently working as and when I have the chance on moving the Marvel US G1 interiors and HM interiors to {{tl|MarvelUSinterior}} and {{tl|HMinterior}} from a variety of copyright tags and the absence thereof (including the ones that lost their descriptions in the Bookworm Incident)
Like I say, the covers are maxed out, but there's always the chance that other interiors will be uploaded (Walky's done a few recently), and it would help if they were added too. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:58, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
:Propose a visually compact way of doing so. ;) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:10, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
{|border cellspacing="1" cellpadding="5" width="100%"
|-
!width=50%|General
!width=50%|Comic Cover
|-valign="top"
|width=50%|
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{hastak}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{comicinterior}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{comiccover}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{screencap}}</nowiki></charinsert>
|width=50%|
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{MarvelUScover|(description)|(issue number)|(issue title)|(artist list)|(last two digits of publication year)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{HMcover|(description)|(issue number)|(issue title)|(artist list)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{MarvelG2cover|(description)|(issue number)|(issue title)|(artist list)|(last digit of publication year)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
|-
!width=50%|Screencap
!width=50%|Comic Interior
|-valign="top"
|width=50%|
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{titlecard}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{G1cap|(imagedescription)|(episode name)|(last digit of premiere year originally aired)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{RIDcap|(imagedescription)|(episode name)|(last digit of year originally aired)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{BWcap|(imagedescription)|(episode name)|(last digit of year originally aired)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{BMcap|(imagedescription)|(episode name)|(year originally aired)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{TFAcap|(imagedescription)|(episode name)|(year originally aired)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
|width=50%|
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{MarvelUSinterior|description=|issueno=|storytitle=|pageno=|panelno=|panelnos=|script=|line-art=|pencils=|inks=|colours=[[Nelson Yomtov]]|letters=|help=|year=(last two digits of publication year)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{HMinterior|description=|issueno=|storytitle=|pageno=|panelno=|panelnos=|letters=|help=}}</nowiki></charinsert>
*<charinsert><nowiki>{{MarvelG2interior|description=|issueno=|storytitle=|pageno=|panelno=|panelnos=|script=|pencils=|inks=|colours=|letters=|help=|year=(last digit of publication year)}}</nowiki></charinsert>
|}
...I don't know about visually compact, exactly, but considering how many image templates we have, I'm not sure "visually compact" is possible... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:06, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
:Well, it's something to work on. Unfortunately the '''charinsert''' plugin doesn't have any way to display s short piece of text while inserting a long one.
:There's a rabid wolverine scrabbling around the back of my brain licking carnival pennies... I feel like when he comes down off his ''filth high'' he might have some ideas about Stupid CSS Tricks to make that less loathesome. (Failing that we could do something with Javascript, but it'd be a bitch to update so that's a last choice.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:35, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
::Yeah, it's pretty much the opposite... you can stick a description in the tooltip, but the actual text has to be visible. I honestly can't think of any way to do it in pure CSS without messing up the clickability of it.
::I guess we ''could'' just link to the plain vanilla templates with no parameters, but I kind of want to encourage people to be as thorough as possible with their info.
::I think we could also use a way to include a link to each template's page in case one needs to read the instructions. But I had trouble coming up with a way that's brief, clear, and won't get mistaken for the inserto-text link. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 01:53, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
::Addendum: We could go for a fake form with OPTION or a CSS-based drop-down list, but I think those would both need JS. (Admittedly the CSS based drop-down would need less JS, and only for the style, not the functionality.) (Why do I always have extra thoughts right ''after'' hitting the "submit" button?) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 01:59, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
:::What about the Boilerplate plugin that was suggested a while back? Would that be more suitable for this sort of thing? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:04, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
::::No, unfortunately... it only works for articles, not on file pages. (At least, if there is a way to get it to work on file pages, I couldn't figure it out.) Although I still think we should give that extension a whirl at some point, it won't help out with this specific thing. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 02:07, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
::::My Wolverine stopped tripping long enough to say "<nowiki>{{MarvelG2}}</nowiki>:<charinsert><nowiki>{{MarvelG2interior|description=|issueno=|storytitle=|pageno=|panelno=|panelnos=|script=|pencils=|inks=|colours=|letters=|help=|year=(last digit of publication year)}}</nowiki></charinsert>."
::::He is a filthy, FILTHY beast, and the hackiness of that CSS shames me. (And it's still not ideal code anyway.)
::::I think Javascript is a likely fate here. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:03, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

== Upload Preview ==

Over at [[Template_talk:Screencap#Since_we_got_derailed.|Template talk:Screencap]], Mr. Bates (or possibly Doug-- I can't keep them straight) suggested we look at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts/Upload_Preview Upload Preview script]-- a pure javascript solution to the lack of previews during image upload (which the MW software doesn't naively support.)

The script is currently available for anyone who has the [[User:Derik/kired tools|kired tools]] plugins installed. Please report your thoughts, and if there are any problems or conflicts. If user response is positive, I'm going to recommend the relevant code be added to the Wiki's common.js file. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:59, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
:It works great - very handy (I was the one who suggested it, BTW) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:59, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
::I finally figured out why I have such trouble telling you and Doug apart.
::I'm actually trying to tell "apog," "apog" and "abates" apart under the impression they are ''two'' people. '''No wonder''' I'm confused. -[[User:Deceptitran|Deceptitran]] 12:37, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

== (comic issue) vs. (issue) ==

Is there any protest against eliminating (comic issue) as a disambiguation parenthetical? Near as I can tell, it's totally redundant with the shorter, simpler (issue) parenthetical. (again, unless there's a "Child's Play (socioeconomic issue)" article that I'm unaware of...) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 10:52, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
:No protest here. I was planning on doing it someday. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:58, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF spoilers from novelizations and other adaptations ==

So, is information from the novelizations off-limits until the movie is in theaters, or what? (If so, we need to protect the hell out of a bunch of pages) --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:58, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:It was discussed [[Talk:Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|here]] and decided that no, they are not off limits, but please date the spoiler tags on character pages to a week after the film comes out. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:04, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::I've been stubbing in articles where I feel it's appropriate... but I've also been tailoring my content to avoid major spoilers-- more to have the infrastructure in place and ready to fill in then the movie drops.
::(And realistically speaking, there's going to be a flood of detailed spoilers, including lists of every fatality and major surprise on the 10th-- the film premieres in Japan 18 days before it does here.)
::Incidentally, I don't ''trust'' the tie-in novels. Characters vanish suddenly, details are glossed over or changed... I harbor a suspicion that certain plot details are being kept out of the books-- or at least obscured-- to prevent fans from being 100% certain about anything. The climax of the two movie adaptions I've read so far are ''different'', they have '''noticeably''' divergent outcomes. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:12, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I do not want '''''any''''' novelization and adaptation spoilers on character pages or other related articles. Stuff from adaptations should stay on their respective articles. Most of my work on the wiki at the moment is updating and maintaining movie articles, so it would be a personal inconvenience to me if I had to avert my eyes every time I come across the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie sections of character articles. Not only that, but there will be people who will wander onto this wiki with the intention of refreshing themselves on the movie or to read prequel stuff leading up to ROTF, but have no intention of reading up on plot points of the movie itself. And, as Derik says, novelizations and adaptations often differ wildly from the final movie script.
:::I think it's more than bloody fair to expect that we only post ROTF-related stuff on the day of the movie's release around the world, not before. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 00:59, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
::::That'd apply to the British Isles contingent? UK and Ireland are getting general release June 19. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:48, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::That's a good question. (I have no opinion, I'm spoiling myself by reading the novel.)
:::::IIRC, back during Animated season 2 we were observing a 1-week moratorium on character-page updates, which more-or-less covered the biggest broadcast markets.
* 10th - Japan premiere
* 24th - US Premiere
* 26th - UK Premiere
:::::Since the period we're talking about is just a 16 day span, I assume the same idea applies-- hold off until the 26th (possibly plus a few days) out of respect for other TF-fans. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:23, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::As Lonegamer ''just said'', it's out here in the UK on the 19th. And the rule for TFA S2 seemed to be that "as soon as it was first aired in English, be it in the UK, US or Canada (all three had 'world premieres in English' at different points), go for it". - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 10:02, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::I think that the modifier in that situation, though, was the fact that as soon as said Animated episodes had aired in English ''anywhere'', high-quality encodes of them were promptly available to download for anybody anywhere who wanted them, making it all pretty much fair game. Information could be added, and editors would not be left unable to verify that information, as they could download and see the episode themselves. The movie won't have that - US editors simply wont know if what anon IPs add is true or not, because they won't be able to see the movie to verify it and will have to operate on good faith, which is laudible, but we saw how well that worked with the Dubai Animated debalce and "Animated Waspinator". While I'll be seeing it opening day here in the UK, I know that I, personally, wasn't planning to add anything about it to the wiki until it screened in the US. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:03, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::::What Chris said. "Airing in English" was a polite euphemism for "we can see it too." It doesn't apply for a 2-and-a-half hour theatrical movie. American fans will still be in the dark until the 26th, and as far as I'm concerned the wiki should honor that. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 11:04, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::''While I'll be seeing it opening day here in the UK, I know that I, personally, wasn't planning to add anything about it to the wiki until it screened in the US.''
:::::::::''American fans will still be in the dark until the 26th''
:::::::::Can I take it that the UK and US premiere dates above are switched?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:02, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::It's now been said '''thrice''' in this thread that the UK/Eire date is the 19th. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]]
:::::::::::Beg your pardon, then. It was late, and I wasn't paying close enough attention.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 13:08, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

::::::::::::Damn Americans think they're the centre of the Universe. If I was President of the US, I'd invade the UK and Ireland to protect American Transfan interests. 14:56, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

I read the novel and have this to say: As much detail as is in it, there's no doubt its different. First of all: there's alot more detail so that means some of the slower parts are probably shorter in the movie (novels often do that anyways so no problems there) and also: in one chapter it leads up to fight and then on the very next chapter all of a sudden Devestator appears and is fighting already as if he's been there the whole time (meaning they skipped a chunk of that fight)So as is obvious, there will be differences.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]] (or was it 9?)<<not that it matters

==Forgive my attitude but==
what the flying f***! What happened to my account. I made one, I even remember what it looked like. Where is it and why can't I login and my username no longer exsists! What..the..hell. I've not signed in for a long time but I still go here regularly and everything, don't tell me you autodeleted my account! I mean, I’ve been here when it was at Wikia, I moved with you guys here and even made a new account here! Hell, my old accounts on Wikia all got deleted, so please don’t tell me you guys stooped to their level and deleted my account as well! I’ve done nothing wrong, aside from giving the appearance of being inactive because I’ve not logged in within awhile, but so what? What right does that give you to delete my account? (and if by some means it does give you the right to do so, please provide a link proving that)--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]] (or was it 9?)<< not that it matters
:[[Transformers Wiki:Bookworm Crash]]. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 15:59, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
Thank you. I'll just make a new account then.-sighs- Forgive if I bothered any of you with what I just said.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
::Don't worry, incoherent rage is the '''proper''' response to the Bookworm crash... you're just slowpoking. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:17, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

== Main page ==

[[Image:Mainpage_analytics-06-05-09.png|thumb]]
I'll just leave this here...

(I'll check in after work and see if anyone has thoughts, I sure do.)

Number are per-individual-link BTW-- so two separate links to the same location have their clickthroughs tallied separately. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:16, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
: In which we learn nobody clicks anything! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:21, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:::The numbers on the page ''should'' add up to 100%. It's just that a few links get vastly more traffic than the others so they show up as 0%. That might represent a few hundred clicks-- the Main Page ''is'' our most frequented page. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:12, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::::And people are obviously clicking on [[Kup (G1)]] as the page has gained a thousand hits and jumped 30 places in the Popular Pages list in the last week or so. Any idea what time frame the data covers? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:20, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::That was pretty much my thought, too. XD Although it is kind of interesting that some of the categories/continuities/series sections seem more popular than others... it's just hard to tell which ones, since the number pop-ups are in weird spots.
::I also notice that the "images" link in the Editing Tips is popular... and that apparently the fake disambiguation links get some clicks. XD Speaking of which, we really should write up some more of those to replace the rotating ones that got lost in the crash... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:26, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I may have sternly directed people to our Images policy page. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:49, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::::It's the most common thing people get wrong, so it's also our most thorough policy document.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:05, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::About 8% of clicks on the main page are to our "anyone can edit" but up top-- which just takes people to anchors within the page. (The Editing tips section and the Holy Grails section, which do not themselves then collect a lot of clicks.)
:::::This leads me to think that people who click on these things do ''not'' get what they want/are expecting. We should look at changing those links somehow.
:::::Another 8 % of clicks on the main page are on the "home" logo in the upper left (which takes you... back to the main page) and the "main page" link in the nav toolbar.
:::::If there's agreement, I'd like to set it so that the "Main Page" link in the navigation on the left is grayed out when you're on the main page, so it's clearer that "you're here." (The link would still be usable, it'd just have this visual indicator.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:10, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::We could simply de-link the "anyone can edit" links... they just seemed like a good way to get people to actually read our policies and what we need. Or maybe we could link that text directly to [[Help:Contents]] and get rid of the "Editing Tips" box altogether?
::::::I agree with the "Main Page" link being disabled when you're actually on the Main Page. It's pretty easy to do via CSS, and you can also change the cursor to be a regular arrow in CSS to further de-emphasize the links and say, "Hey, dude, you're already ''at'' the Main Page."
::::::Although I had actually thought that 8% of clicks was to the Recent Changes page, which would have made more sense to me. The oddness of where the stat boxes are in relation to the actual page links does make it hard to analyze. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:45, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::AS FAR AS I CAN TELL (which in a few cases - the continuities box especially - is less than 100%), these are all the numbers >1.0%:
:::::::*Logo (goes to Main Page): 4.0%
:::::::*"Navigation" sidebar:
:::::::**Main Page link in sidebar: 4.0%
:::::::**Recent changes: 5.3%
:::::::*Fake disambig:
:::::::**"anyone can edit" (goes to "editing-tips" subpage): 4.0%
:::::::**"add to" (goes to "holy-grails" subpage): 4.0%
:::::::*Categories:
:::::::**Characters: 1.8%
:::::::*Continuities:
:::::::**Live-action film: 1.4%
:::::::**Full Series Info: 4.0%
:::::::*Also, the cumulative links to the ROTF page appear to be >1%, even if no individual link is.
:::::::Thoughts on that... firstly, the links TO the main page ON the main page need to be nerfed. Not greyed out, killed. The logo can be just a logo, and the main page link can be replaced or removed. Secondly, there is no way in hell we should delink the stuff in the fake disambig, but redirecting to other places may be a better idea - take the "editing tips" box and turn it into a full page, linked from there (And from the ET box). Not quite so sure on "add to" - a list of stubs that we want filled out, perhaps? The "Holy Grails" box is too specific for 99.9% of potential editors, I expect. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:32, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

== Useful Extensions ==

Now that we have a working server again and more control over the techie side of things, I wonder if we should start up a list of extensions to install that might be useful.

My own picks:

*[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Newuserlog Extension:Newuserlog] to keep track of new users so we can give them a [[User:Jeysie/NewUser|friendly greeting]]. As opposed to our current status of new people not usually getting much of a "greeting" unless they screw up. :>
*[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultiBoilerplate Extension:MultiBoilerplate] to provide a drop-down menu of skeleton codes for new pages. I find this ''incredibly'' useful on my own wiki for being able to easily keep different types of pages all laid out the same, by inserting full page structures into new pages so you can then just fill in the information. For example, [http://trinsic.alienharmony.com/Template:D20RulesPlayercharacterpage here's one structure page] I use to give an idea of the sort of code you can inset.

:Mine:
:*[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Title_Blacklist Extension:Title Blacklist] blocks creation of pages depending on a regular expression.

:I will note that Newuserlog is built into MediaWiki 1.14.0, but we haven't discussed upgrading the software yet... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:25, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

::Honestly, those "friendly greetings" drive me spare. I'd really rather not have them.
::Suggestions:
::*[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:KeepYourHandsToYourself Extension:KeepYourHandsToYourself] (prevents users or anons editing User:* pages other than their own.) [Beta] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:47, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I'd be fine with blocking anons-- but I ''have'' been known to reach out and tweak someone's user page from time to time.
:::(Not that we've really had a problem with either.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:02, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::Why do they drive you spare? Giving new users a heads-up regards our policies ''before'' we have to slap a nastygram user notice on their page seems like a good idea to me. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:54, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:::They drive me spare getting them while doing IP-edits. And chances are you'll get them again, and again, and again... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:02, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Oh! No, no, no. I didn't mean doing them automatically on all new users, I was thinking, like, putting the greeting ''manually'' only for new ''registered'' users. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:09, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

==Rise of the Chevy Autobots==
Allright, I finally got around to putting this up. This is everything I have saved from the "Rise of the Chevy Autobots" online game - flash files, HTML, etc. It comes to nearly 60mb.

[http://www.obscuretf.com/ChevyAutobotGame.zip Chevy Autobots]

Unfortunately, I am most likely missing the last week or two of the story, but I figure it's better than nothing. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 14:18, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:Monzo- I luvers you...
:And AFIK the defeat of Mainframe himself never got a news update-- the epilogue was provided by the game itself. So you ''should'' have the most up to date version.
:Uh, I suppose there might have been a "he's weakening, keep at it" update, but that's pretty content-null. It'd be nice to know the date Mainframe went down... but again, it looks like you've got 99% of everything preserved here. :)~
:And now we can properly cite the Chevy Autobots being allspark mutations! (Or at least a result of Chevy's experimentation with Energon as an alternative fuel source.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:27, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

== Possible Relicensing? ==

So, Wikipedia is moving from the GFDL to a Creative Commons license, which will make it incompatible with most Wikia sites from then on. (Presumably; I haven't heard if Wikia at large or any of its individual wikis--like the old Transformers one-- are making the same transition.) Should TFWiki consider switching, too? Pretty much everyone outside the Wikipedia/Wikia family goes with CC, which is a lot simpler in a lot of ways than the GFDL.

[[wikipedia:GFDL#Compatibility with CC-BY-SA|Apparently, GFDL-licensed wikis can only make the change before August 1, 2009]]. And unlike them, we probably wouldn't have to worry about having added any content from non-wiki GFDL-licensed things, at least. And it would completely eliminate legal copying/pasting between this wiki and its rival. --[[User:Fleb|Fleb]] 17:47, 6 June 2009 (EDT)

:I would support this, at least tentatively. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:16, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
::On the surface, at least, it looks like a good move. It keeps the same free-info spirit, but is incompatible with Wikia's license ''and'' any info-quoting or copying from us further requires attributing the wiki, if I'm reading it right. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:18, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Hmm. I thought about bringing this Creative Commons thing up awhile back, but I'm not Legal Smarts (S-M-R-T) enough to fully understand it. Perhaps our staff should comment on this? The final decision is probably theirs. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:06, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I don't really have much to say, other than it sounds like a good idea. If nothing else, the legal terms of the GFDL are nightmarish at best and I'd be happy to never think of them again. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 14:02, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
IANAL, but [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update based on Wikimedia's page,] it ''looks'' like "relicensing" the site is just a matter of changing all the text that mentions "GFDL" now. The one requirement is that we're using [http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl-1.3.html version 1.3.] [[Transformers Wiki:Copyrights]] doesn't specify a version, and neither does the edit page or the footer, so that's probably okay. (''[[Transformers Wiki:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License|If the Document does not specify a version number of this License, you may choose any version ever published (not as a draft) by the Free Software Foundation.]]'') --[[User:Fleb|fleb]] 18:30, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::One thing that's confusing me, looking again at that - Wikipedia's new licensing structure seems confusing in that all non-imported-under-a-CC-licence content will still be dual-licensed under the GDFL. If we adopted that, Wikia could import from us, but we couldn't import from Wikia. CAN the GDFL be dropped completely? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:31, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:Oh, definitely. The dual-licensing is just ''Wikipedia's'' own, weird thing to keep the Free Software Foundation loyalists from bitching and Leaving Forever. (Those CC-only things should actually "poison" individual pages so they're not truly GFDL-licensable anymore without reverting, so they'll probably eventually drop it completely.) --[[User:Fleb|fleb]] 22:05, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

Which CC license would we use? Seems like [[wikipedia:Creative_Commons_licenses#Original_licenses|from the Wikipedia CC page]] that a by-nc-nd license would be what we're after? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:16, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:It would be [[wikipedia:Share-alike|CC-by-sa]]. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:23, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::That looks like a good idea to me. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:07, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Definitely By-SA -- If we do a No-Derivatives, how would we even edit any of our own pages? --[[User:Fleb|fleb]] 22:05, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

== Asking for permission to post links==

I'm the current Bureaucrat at [http://ghostbusters.wikia.com Ghostbusters Wiki], and there was interest in placing links to articles on this wiki to Ghostbusters wiki articles, and likewise placing links on Ghostbusters wiki to articles relating to content which has been brought up. I don't know a great deal of your wikis past dealings, other than wikia apparently kept your old wiki's content when you moved. Anyways, the wiki would rather reference to your present wiki than the one currently at wikia. We are hoping you wouldn't mind the links to our characters on pages related to the [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Race_with_the_Devil Race with the Devil] article. [http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/User:Devilmanozzy Devilmanozzy] 02:10, June 8, 2009 (EDT)

:Can you give a few examples of articles on your wiki which would benefit from having links to this site? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:37, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::IIRC it's whatshername's assistants-- the ones from the Earthforce story (Running with the Devil?) that Wildman based on the RGB models.
::(I personally have no problem with the links. Though I think this guy added 'em once, misformatted, and they got reverted.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:06, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That wasn't Nozzy but Liberal Noob, while not logged in. I told the original guy to take a step back and mind their P's and Q's before we start crosslinking, especially since it was an anonymous IP at the time. But yeah, he wants to crosslink with Race the Devil and Susan Hoffman.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:43, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Only direct link between the Ghostbusters Cartoon and the G1 Transformers cartoon is [[Frank Welker]] sounded like one of his TF roles when he voiced a ghost from time to time. I a am sorry for my wanton linking and it will not happen again. --[[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 22:57, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I meant which pages on the Ghostbusters wiki would benefit from having links on them to our wiki. I'm curious, because I regard myself as reasonably familiar with Ghostbusters, and I can't think offhand of any references to Transformers in it. Perhaps in one of the cartoons? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:55, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Thanks for the replies on this matter. A good user Liberal Noob had requested that I would more address this, apparently the mod needed to say something and form a partnership in order to have links posted related to one anothers material. To answer the question of what articles would be hyperlinked, I believe he was planning on linking to the animated pages for Peter Venkman, Egon Spengler, and Ray Stantz. Thats what I understand is being requested to being linked to.[[User:Devilmanozzy|Devilmanozzy]] 19:42, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::We're not wondering which pages on our wiki would link to your wiki. We were wondering which pages on your wiki would need to link to our wiki. We didn't know there ''were'' any Transformers references in any Ghostbusters media, and thus didn't know you'd need to link to us from your wiki. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:59, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::[[Race with the Devil]], [[Susan Hoffman]], [[Starscream's Ghost]], [[Horri-Bull]], and a few others. Links will be on is a article on [http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Ghostbusters_Cameos Ghostbusters Cameos]. Note I believe that the section will be better built soon.[[User:Devilmanozzy|Devilmanozzy]] 20:21, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

== Quick Links? ==

You know, now that I think about it, one thing Wikia actually did do right was having some "Quick Links" on the sidebar. I find myself missing being able to quickly get to the main continuities/series without having to search or click to the Main Page first. (Especially now that there's lots o' ROTF toys to keep tabs on...)

Nothing extensive necessary; just one linkie thingy with a fly-out menu for our six main continuities and the full series list would probably work nicely. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 03:03, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

:I think notably M.Sipher *really* hated that because any time a cursor went within a parsec of the menu, it would pop out in an annoying manner. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:09, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::Wasn't just Sipher - it drove me nuts too. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 09:09, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Well, in that case, maybe just an extra sidemenu then, kind of like the "Campaign Navigation" box on [http://trinsic.alienharmony.com/Main_Page this sidebar]? I just figured that a fly-out menu would save space, but an extra link sidebar would work for me too.
:::But I'd definitely like something. As Abates points out below, we don't currently have any sidebar links for actually ''browsing''. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:47, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Could we make so that they're fly-out menus, but that they only fly-out if you actually click on the title? That would save room while avoiding things jumping out when you're waving the cursor around. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:11, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

:I think having a link on the sidebar for Revenge of the Fallen would be good too. While the Community portal and Recent Changes links are great for us Editors, they're not likely to be used much by casual visitors. We should be using the menu to draw attention to major articles. While I'm thinking about it, we could probably change the Main Page link to read "Transformers Wiki"... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:11, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

User talk:Liberal Noob

2009-06-08T03:53:28Z

Liberal Noob:

Okay, I'm gonna need you to step back a bit. If you want to start up a mutual relationship between your Ghostbusters wiki and TFWiki.net like we have with Wookieepedia, you're going to want to propose it on the community portal. Spamming links to the Ghostbusters wiki any place you find a Ghostbusters reference is only going to earn the annoyance of the users here. It's not a good way to promote your wiki.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:10, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

:1. I'm so sorry for the spamming, it will not happen again. 2. What are the benefits of a "relationship between your Ghostbusters wiki and TFWiki.net?" The Ghostbusters' Wiki users are talking about it [http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Transformers_wiki_partnership%3F here].

User:Liberal Noob

2009-06-08T02:42:07Z

Liberal Noob:

Liberal Noob had only had the Autobot [[Grotusque]] in his Transformer collection and did not know how he transformed until after deposed of it in 1999. He also edits the Ghostbusters wiki. Liberal Noob needs to stop coping Bob Dole.

Did you know that the [http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Ghostbusters Ghostbusters] exist in the [[Susan Hoffman|Transformers universe]]?

User:Liberal Noob

2009-06-08T02:39:38Z

Liberal Noob:

Liberal Noob had only had the [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Grotusque Autobot Grotusque] in his Transformer collection and did not know how he transformed until after deposed of it in 1999. He also edits the Ghostbusters wiki. Liberal Noob needs to stop coping Bob Dole.

Did you know that the [http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Ghostbusters Ghostbusters] exist in the [[Susan Hoffman|Transformers universe]]?

User talk:Liberal Noob

2009-06-08T02:27:47Z

Liberal Noob: New page: Okay, I'm gonna need you to step back a bit. If you want to start up a mutual relationship between your Ghostbusters wiki and TFWiki.net like we have with Wookieepedia, you're going to wan...

Talk:Starscream (Movie)

2008-06-12T23:16:42Z

Liberal Noob: /* Hardest Working Decepticon? */

==Accuracy disputes==
I've noticed that there is some argument about the accuracy of Starscream's toy. Some thing that the vehicle mode is accurate, while others think not. Judging from the toy gallery on Seibertron.com, it looks very accurate except for the blasters formed from his hands, which are severly oversized compared to both the movie model and the toy itself. Other than this though, the majority of the figure seems to be pretty accurate.

:If you know anything about fighters, then you'll know its an appallingly bad representation of an F-22 Raptor (has details closer to a YF-22, if I recall correctly). Hasbro/Takara have unfortunately produced better F-22-type planes in the past with Energon Starscream, and the cancelled NATF swing-wing version of the fighter with G2 Hooligan. I'm not really surprised that most Transformers fans can't tell the difference, as they generally aren't that well-versed in military hardware. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, we tend to be more focused on consumer goods. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 02:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

::To be perfectly honest, I will agree that it fits closer to the submodel than the main fighter, but at the same time I was looking at the two pictures side-by-side. In cases such as this, color is irrelevent considering Gen 1 Starscream was originally considered a highly unlikely paint-job for an F-15... until they adopted it. Admittedly, the arms and undercarriage do make the toy itself look less like the actual jet than the movie model, but they are also grossly different; Starscream's triple guns on his hands in the movie are MUCH smaller, and had to be enlarged for the toy to meet safety regulations. And while I do not exactly have a degree in the field, I do like to study up on military hardware, especially jets, tanks, and some of the newer guns (the XM-8 in particular). I was kind of hoping they'd go with the newer F-35B, but I think it was still in the experimental stage when the movie was being scripted. [[User:Dracokanji|Dracokanji]] 03:39, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
:::G1 Starscream's own hull colour is very similar to the grey they used on F-15s of the 80s. I don't recall that the USAF used any of G1 Starscream's decos, did they? As I explained on [[Talk:Starscream (G1)|G1 Starscream's talk page]], Classics Starscream's colour scheme was made up from photos of the F-15 prototype that the Air Force doctored... for some reason. Real one was light blue with rather bright orange.

:::The F-35 is a piece of overpriced crap compared to the Raptor. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

::::And you're SURE these photos are doctored, and they don't just have a few or even a single fighter in that color scheme (especially since it was a prototype)? if you can cite documented proof with a link specifically saying so, I'll accept it. I might add that while not a seperate series, G2 Starscream had a more salmon/coral and bluish color scheme than G1 did (pretty much what I saw on the F-15 photos). While the detailing isn't exactly the same, the colors are fairly close. I will also clairify that I didn't mean the Air Force didn't adopt the color scheme BECAUSE of G1, but they just happened to use a similar paint scheme at one time.
::::I'll also remind you that your OPINION of the F-35 is not a fact, but regardless of that I stand by my statement on it.
[[User:Dracokanji|Dracokanji]] 12:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, I am sure. One of the moderators over at Macross World (pretty much chock full of fighter enthusiasts there) provided me with a photo of an F-15 prototype in its original, ugly colours. Same pattern as Classics Starscream, but with a light blue hull colour and orange where red is. G1 SS's own hull colour is close to FS 36375, the main grey used on real F-15's of the 80's.

:::::As for my opinion on the F-35 Lightning II, its fine here on this talk page because its not in the actual article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

== Barrel Roll Blaster ==

It's merchandise released to coincide with the movie, yes, but the jet mode isn't particularly based on the design of Movie Starscream, and the hand is pretty clearly based on G1 Starscream. Should the Barrel Roll Blaster be considered a toy for G1 Starscream instead of for Movie Starscream?

(And while we're at it, same thing for the [[Optimus_Prime_(Movie)#Merchandise|Big Rig Blaster]]--the trailer's very G1, the truck cab is halfway between G1 and Movie, and the hand's clearly G1.)

After all, Optimash and the Robot Heroes are getting listed among their G1 counterparts. Are the Nerf guys more G1 or movie?

[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 08:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:Amazing, almost as if the movie were part of the g1 continuity family... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::Not particularly, no, considering the design elements that ARE clearly movie or ARE clearly G1 are fairly distinct from one another. I'd say it's more like they were handled by a design team external to the Transformers brand... say, the Nerf team... and weren't given particularly clear instructions on whether to follow a G1 or a Movie aestetic. However, that's just baseless conjecture and is getting off-topic from the question at hand.--[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 08:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd say the real reason is they want to use these sculpts after the movie for other lines. I figger that's why the Prime one is some weird place between a flatnose and a longnose semi. You make the fist inside one of those movie claws, and that's gonna be incongruous if you redeco it for Animated or whatever. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::That makes just as much sense, if not more. But in any case... does that make them more G1 Character toys than Movie Character toys? --[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 16:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::No. Prime's got the flames, and Starscream's in solid gray. Movie roleplay. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Way to harsh my hellow. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

==Mission City battle details==
In [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Starscream_%28Movie%29&curid=13176&diff=76575&oldid=76454 this revision], FFN added several details including some stuff about the RBFATE that I wanted to get confirmation on: First, that Starscream ''rejoined'' the human raptor squardon and himself fired upon Megatron. Second, that this assault from the jets damaged Megatron's armor, providing a place for Sam to shove the All Spark in. Granted I've only seen the movie twice, but, I didn't pick up on either of those things, even remotely. Are those details from the novelization or comic adaptation? I feel like we should indicate in some way when expanding on movie synopses with supplemental material. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:18, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
: The last missile assault we see shows direct hits on the front of Megatron's chest, and pieces fly all over. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
:: However, although it's entirely possible that Starscream takes part in that attack, I don't believe there is enough evidence to state it conclusively in the wiki as it currently appears. It is spec. [[User:Swift|Swift]] 23:04, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Watching the flick for the 3rd time I specifically looked for this... and dudes, I really don't think it's there. When bombarding Megatron, the F-22s are onscreen for about 1.5 seconds and at a pretty good distance. I didn't see any way to tell any of them apart, let alone identify one of them as Starscream. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:49, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
:::: From what i have seen there is some credebility to the claim. While there is no way to verify if Starscream fired on Megatron i beleive that after Starscream transforms into his altmode for the last time you see him barrel roll to the right as an order to pursue him is given. Immediately after the entire squadren pursues a raptor that is smoking. As far as I can tell that is not Starscream and the military haslost sight of him and mistakenly assumed that due to the heavy beating he has just taken that he must be the most damaged raptor. It trivially worth mentioning that Starscream appears to be fine in his last appearace and no such damage as would indicate that he actually was that plane. Addtionally I would just like to mention one thing, treating this as f it were all true; Starscream tricked the United States military into shooting down one of their own and might have then used that to his advantage to assassinate Megatron. I take back anything and everything i said about movie Starscream being out of character. {{unsigned|68.194.98.116}}

:What you describe here is that the film is ''consistent'' with the idea that Starscream participated in the attack. That is ''very differenet'' than if the film actually ''supported'' that viewpoint. From what have seen, including your description here, there is nothing in the film to support the idea. It is simply one of infinitely many things that are "possible" to have happened offscreen. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 07:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
::I should note that at the time of rewriting the fiction section, I did not originate the 'Starscream shooting Megatron' bit. I was unsure so I just left it there. I personally don't believe it until somebody officially confirms it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:06, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

==Spare pic==
[[Image:moviescream.jpg|thumb|right|150px|]]

==Masterpiece==
Shouldn't the Masterpiece Starscream section be on the G1 page? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 02:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:''"Though the toy is based on G1 Starscream, and the design has been used in appalling G1-universe fiction, it serves double duty as movie Starscream thanks to the Sector Seven alternate-reality game."''
:--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::But doesn't that mean that Grimlock, VW Bunblebee, Kickback, and Laserbeak should also get linked to the movie section? They were in the Sector 7 clips too.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 02:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I think those things should all be included as trivia notes, nothing more. Listing Masterpiece Starscream as one of Movie Starscream's toys seems highly dubious to me. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Starscream's a unique instance, as he's a real movie character. But ff we had a page on N.B.E. Whatevernumber, I'd think that linking him to the G1 toy wouldn't be out of line. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 03:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

::::I kinda agree. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Weird that they have the same toy though, almsot liek the movie was part of the Generation 1 Continuity Family... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

:::::You agree There should be a page for every NBE number, listing them as a seperate character?
:::::That doesn't sound like you Walky. -03:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Technically there isn't actually anything internal to the ARG that says that the NBE who was cited multiple times in 1982 is the same character as Movie Starscream, is there? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

== Long time popular character ==

God Damn! Optimus, Megatron and Starscream are the 3 most popular everywhere. The 3 had been featured in Unicron Trilogy, Generation 1 and 2 and almost everywhere. How come Starscream got a high popular rating equal to everyone?

By the way a real F-22 Raptor does bombing runs and anti air roles at the same time. Starscream stands out due to that.(Spearhead 04:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

== Hardest Working Decepticon? ==
For a soldier that wants to take command from Megatron Starscream sure worked hard in the final battle. After mobilizing he was first on the scene at the dam and single handedly defrosted Megatron. Was first to Mission City taking out Bumblebee's legs. Messed up Ratchet and Ironhide. Took out the F-22s and destroyed the transport helicopter. Starscream is off the hook! How could Megatron fault such a performance when the likes of Barricade did not even show up.

::Frenzey defrosted Megatron.

:::[http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Megatron_%28Movie%29#Galvatron Galvatron may have a role in the sequel,] it was nice while it lasted.

==Why Are We Including Stolen Toys?==
No, really, why? I thought it was against the rules to put up stuff that we only know about because somebody stole it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]]
:Because I like to keep toy sections updated, and if I don't do it now, I'd forget and nobody else would bother. I almost forgot about the Vardia Starscream until I saw DS Starscream. Also, I don't think Hasbro really cares. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
::"Nobody else would bother" is utter bullshit. And WE care. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:::No slight upon the contributions of other members or yourself, but the toy sections on this wiki that are largely neglected beg to differ with you. In fact, toys are among the most neglected sections of character articles on a wiki, which is understandable in a way (because people are here to read or write about the fiction, mostly). But neglected toy sections also does a disservice given how important toys are to Transformers, which is why I devote most of my time here on writing about the toys. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:55, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
::FFN, please adhere to [[Help:Coming_soon|our established policies]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:27, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:FFN, I feel your pain. But use a HTML comment.
:'''<tt></tt>'''
:That way it's hidden from view, but even if you DO forget about it, the note is still there and some future editor'll un-hide it when they see it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:25, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
::That policy needs some kind of time limit. Otherwise, [[:Category:Unreleased_toys|we seem kinda silly]]. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 08:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Which part now? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't understand what you're getting at. That category is for toys that we know were planned, but for which any reasonable time-of-release is long passed. Granted I don't know how exactly quantifies that - except that most of those characters are from lines that have ended. If by some (not so) bizarre circumstance they end up being released later, we can always edit the relevant entries. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
::::My point is that the policy is so broad that it applies to a lot of unreleased toys. "Any leaked toys [...] should not be included". It needs clarification, that's all. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 20:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

==Present Tense==
I thought we had decided to keep present tense in the episode summaries and comic issue articles, not in the actual character articles themselves? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
:I believe you're right. I was overly ambitious, and apologize. I'll reset it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

== Fighter Markings ==

I'm not sure if this belongs here, but the Deep Space Starscream toy section mentions Starscream's fighter markings as being those of an F-22 from Langley; while I haven't seen the toy in question, if it has the same markings as the high-res promo render picture, they're wrong. The tail markings are indeed Langley AFB, but the fuselage insignia is that of the 71st, an F-15 squadron (probably a G1 homage). This is setting aside the fact that he shouldn't have Langley markings at all - theoretically got his alt-mode from a Raptor prototype, which would put him at Edwards with the 412th (and indeed in the movie he's shown at Edwards).

== Mission City battle details ==

'''Bold text'''based on the earlier scenes, human weapons are usless (except sabots) . So how could a normal missile That didn't dent scorponok damage megs so much? [[Special:Contributions/76.68.69.253|76.68.69.253]] 20:44, 11 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Optimus Prime (Movie)

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{{disambig3|Optimus Prime}}

:''Optimus Prime is the [[Autobot]] leader from the [[Movie (franchise)|Movie]] [[continuity family]].

[[Image:MovieOptimusPrime_promorender2.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Freedom is—oh, hell, you know the drill.]]

'''Optimus Prime''' is the leader of the Autobots. Once, long ago, he was [[Prime (rank)|co-ruler]] of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] together with his brother, [[Lord High Protector]] [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], but Megatron grew greedy and attempted to claim the [[All Spark]] for himself. Optimus rose to stand against him. As obsessively as Megatron strives to achieve his objective, Optimus is equally as dedicated to stopping him, even at the cost of his life, his world, and—if necessary—his own people. It was on his order that the All Spark was jettisoned to space, dooming Cybertron to a slow death and his people to nomadism. The sacrifices he has made weigh heavily on his [[spark]], but they must be done, for there is no other choice. He knows the ambitions that lurk in Megatron's spark, and they must never see the light of day. Lives must be kept free from the threat of Megatron's tyranny, no matter the cost.

{{quote|A necessary sacrifice to bring peace to this planet. We cannot let the humans pay for our mistakes.|Optimus Prime on sacrificing his life to destroy the [[All Spark]], ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]''}}

:''Hungarian name'': '''Optimusz Fővezér''' ("Prime Leader Optimus")
:''Cantonese name (Taiwan):'' '''Optimum'''

==Fiction==

===''Prime Directives'' prequel comics===
[[Image:Optimusprimemovieprequel.jpg|left|thumb|200px|All Primes are required to have window boobs.]]

For two generations, Optimus Prime ruled [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] side-by-side with [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]. The two personalities created a balance; Prime was fair while Megatron was firm. However, when Megatron revealed his intentions to steal the [[All Spark]] and use it for evil, selfish gain, Prime reacted accordingly. He formed the Autobots, a militia from the civilians around him, but they fared terribly against Megatron's armies, the Decepticons. Ultimately, Prime was forced to eject the All Spark into space to keep it from his nemesis. Unfortunately, Megatron tracked the All Spark to [[Tyger Pax]], where [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]'s unit was trying to slow down the Decepticons. Prime and the Autobots were held up in [[Simfur]], and unable to come assist. Fortunately, Bumblebee's unit succeeded, and the All Spark was ejected into space, but Cybertron was sentenced to a slow death. The Autobots were forced to abandon the planet.

Thus the focus of the war between Autobot and Decepticon shifted. The All Spark's ejection was only a stall. No longer did Prime have to keep Megatron from stealing the All Spark, instead Prime and his Autobots must hunt down the All Spark, wherever in the universe it landed, before Megatron could. {{storylink|Prime Directives}}
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===Titan Magazines===

When war broke out, Optimus studied the entire history of intergalactic warfare from any datatrack he could find - he studied whole campaigns to desperate last stands, gaining a focused "playbook" of warfare strategy. He understands warfare on a practical and psychological level, and in desperate battles knows to show no mercy to opponents beyond a swift death. <ref>(''Autobot VS Decepticon Smackdown! - Megatron V. Optimus Prime'', #4)</ref>

Optimus was the focus of constant attacks by assassin drones and killed them all. In the aftermath of one, he witnessed a prophetic vision of the [[Mission City]] battle and realised the All Spark's ejection could spread war to other planets—but too late to stop the launch... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 1}}

Almost immediately after the final battle against Megatron, Optimus Prime had to lead the Autobots against a horde of [[zombie]] Decepticons. Despite having no idea how they could stopped and having had his power drained by fighting Megatron, Optimus continued to fight the monsters rather than let them run amok. Ratchet worked out a solution just in time before Optimus fell. {{Storylink|Transformers Comic issue 7}}

In the alternate reality of ''Twilight's Last Gleaming'', Megatron defeated Optimus and took the All Spark at Mission City. Prime's body is now partially frozen and in Decepticon hands. He was the last and only hope of the Earth resistance, and so Bumblebee and [[Mikaela Banes]] were not happy to find him offline. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 9}} She thawed him out while Bumblebee distracted Megatron, and the revived Prime challenged Megatron to a solo duel... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 12}}

===Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday prequel novel===
Optimus Prime led the search for the All Spark in the ''[[Ark (Movie)|Ark]]'', a transport vessel. When they came across an abandoned solar system, they located [[Ghost One|a vessel]] of strangely Cybertronian design, seemingly of Decepticon make. When the vessel fled to the surface of a planet, Prime dispatched Bumblebee to investigate while he and the other Autobots battled Decepticons from the ''[[Nemesis (Movie)|Nemesis]]''. Prime managed to defeat [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]], [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]], and [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]] all on his own. After losing touch with Bumblebee, Prime went down to locate him on the planet, where they were attacked by [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and the alien ship. They fell into a cavern network, where they were further attacked by [[worm-thing|indigenous worms]].

During their flight from the creatures, Optimus Prime and Bumblebee came across the alien vessel. Prime realized that they were trying to surrender, so the Autobots communicated with its crew. Optimus explained that they came in peace, "freedom is the right of all sentient beings," Starscream tricks everyone, and so on. However, the creatures, who called themselves "[[human]]s", explained that they held Megatron, whom they called the Ice Man, on their home world, [[Earth]]. Realizing the destruction Megatron would wreak upon the humans if he escaped, and that the humans would be unable to defend themselves effectively, Prime vowed to see them return to their world to warn it. Prime was able to blast an opening in the cavern, and the group escaped. As they returned to the ''Ark'', Prime began to speculate that the All Spark was what drew Megatron to Earth.

In the ensuing battle with the Decepticons, Prime was in the difficult position of fighting Starscream and protecting the human ship. His distractions allowed Bonecrusher to spear him with his tail. The difficult state nearly gave Starscream the chance to kill him, but the humans saved Prime's life by damaging Starscream, who destroyed them. Optimus Prime was inspired by their courage and sacrifice, and resolved to locate Earth before the Decepticons did—and hopefully before Megatron came back online.

{{storylink|Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday}}

===''Transformers'' (2007) film===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Peter Cullen]] (English), [[Tesshō Genda]] (Japanese), [[Guilherme Briggs]] (Brazil), [[Reiner Schöne]] (German)

[[Image:Movie_OptimusPrime_protoform.jpg|right|thumb|200px|There have been worse crashes.]]

The leader of the Autobots, Optimus Prime came to Earth shortly after [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] sent his comrades a beacon. Upon atmospheric reentry, Prime managed to land outside of [[Tranquility]]'s inhabited areas. After scanning the form of an Earth truck and reconfiguring his body to transform into it, Prime, [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]], and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] met up with Bumblebee and his human friends, [[Sam Witwicky]] and [[Mikaela Banes]] in an alley. In one of the most extended [[transformation]]s in the multiverse, Prime assumed his robotic form before the stunned humans. After confirming Sam's identity, Prime introduced himself and his team. When Mikaela asked of the Autobots intentions, Prime explained the search for the All Spark, the betrayal of Megatron, and why Sam was important to their search.

[[Image:Movie_PrimeSam_parentsfreakout.jpg|left|thumb|250px|At least Prime didn't throw a rock at your window.]]

Glasses that belonged to Sam's ancestor, [[Archibald Amundsen Witwicky|Captain Archibald Witwicky]], contained the location of the All Spark encoded across its lenses, so Optimus Prime ordered his troops to wait outside Sam's house while Sam and Mikaela searched inside for the glasses. Much to Sam's exasperation, Optimus Prime, in his impatience, clumsily ruined his parents' garden, and the Autobots' heavy footsteps convinced them there was an earthquake. Prime's attempts to hide, such as having the Autobots transform into vehicle mode right in the backyard, were also less than satisfactory. Ultimately, Sam came so close to a panic attack that Prime was forced to order the Autobots to fall back. As Prime lectured his team on their supposed inability to remain quiet, Ratchet got himself shocked by walking into some powerlines, causing further problems. When [[Ron Witwicky|the]] [[Judy Witwicky|parents]] came to investigate, Prime's attempt to avoid discovery caused the house to shake, though this was to their benefit, as the father assumed that the damage to the yard was the result of an earthquake. Ironhide suggested that they kill the parents, but Optimus scolded his old friend. Despite all this, their presence remained undetected until [[Sector Seven]] arrived (in a convoy of GMC Yukon's) and abducted Sam, Mikaela, and Sam's parents.

[[Image:Movie Optimus Prime S7 mad.JPG|right|thumb|200px|"Get out of the car." "You mean me?" "I am ''this close'' to feeding you to Grimlock!" "Okay, I--I'm getting out."]]
Optimus Prime sent the Autobots in pursuit of the SUV that contained Sam, Mikaela, and Sector Seven's director, [[Reggie Simmons|Agent Simmons]]. Prime intercepted the vehicle carrying their young human friends, ripping the roof of the vehicle off, with the other Autobots disarming the agents, and made it perfectly clear to Simmons how pissed off he was at him for trying to apprehend the two children, regarding this as a bad move on Simmons' behalf. Optimus then ordered his comrades to relieve the agents of their weapons, and attempted to interrogate Simmons. The agents lack of surprise at their appearance indicated that they had seen Cybertronians before, but Simmons refused to reveal any information. With a Sector Seven backup team en route, Prime ordered the Autobots to scatter, while he took Sam and Mikaela. While hiding under a bridge, Mikaela and Sam slipped and fell off Prime's shoulder. Bumblebee managed to catch them before impact, but was captured, and Sam and Mikaela recaptured, by the organization after their retreat.

Optimus Prime, now in possession of the glasses which can tell him the location of the All Spark, regrettably leaves Bumblebee in Sector Seven's hands, knowing that if they went after him, they would have to use deadly force. After regrouping the next day, Prime used the glasses to locate the All Spark. Jazz raised objections to leaving Bumblebee behind, but Prime remained firm in his belief of not harming the humans. Ironhide seemed okay with using deadly force, stating the humans were too violent, but Prime countered that when their time had come, the Cybertronians had been [[Cybertronian Civil Wars|little different]]. Going to explain the potential he saw in the humans, as well as reminding them that "freedom is the right of all sentient beings", Prime revealed to the Autobots his real plan for the All Spark: if they could not defeat the Decepticons, Prime intended to merge the Cube with his [[spark]]. Though this would destroy the All Spark, Ratchet cautioned Prime against this, as it would also kill him. Prime believed that this was acceptable, vowing not to let another race suffer the mistakes of the Transformers. The glasses placed the All Spark at [[Hoover Dam]] where, luckily, Bumblebee and the young humans were taken.

[[Image:Prime sword.JPG|thumb|200px|left|Swiss army Prime.]]

Optimus Prime's team met up with Sector Seven, Bumblebee, Sam, and Mikaela en route, who had planned to hide the All Spark in nearby [[Mission City]]. While on the highway, he was attacked by [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]], who managed to tackle Optimus and drag him over the edge of a freeway overpass. During the battle, Optimus struck the rage filled Transformer so hard his [[optic]] popped out. As the Decepticon swung his claw wildly, Optimus drew his sword from his right arm and sliced off one of Bonecrusher's arms, before brutally finishing off his enemy by driving the blade through Bonecrusher's neck, severing his head.

[[Image:Movie_OptimusPrime_citytransformjump.jpg|right|thumb|175px|And in the red corner, weighing in at 4.3 metric tons, THE TRUCKER!]]

Optimus arrived at Mission City just in time to observe Megatron discarding the remains of Jazz, and challenged him. Millennia in the ice had done nothing to lessen Megatron's hatred of his brother, and he launched himself in jet mode at the Autobot leader. Optimus leaped and grabbed hold of the wings, which was a really bad idea, as Megatron drove himself and Prime through an office block. As they flew out of the building onto the street below, Megatron transformed and leapt on top of Prime, declaring the humans undeserving of life. Prime rejected his claims, saying that they deserved to chose for themselves. Megatron threw Prime across the street, declaring that if he wished to defend the humans, Prime could die with them. He then formed his [[fusion cannon]] from his forearms. The power up time allowed Prime to draw his [[ion blaster]] and fire, hitting Megatron. The Decepticon used the momentum to spin around, then used the fusion cannon to blast Prime across the street into another building. Megatron then resumed the hunt for Sam and the All Spark.

Tracking Megatron to the deserted building, Prime barely managed to catch Sam after Megatron knocked him off the roof. Telling the boy to hold onto the Cube, Prime attempted to scale down the building, but Megatron jumped on Prime, causing them both to fall down hard onto the street below. Sam survived, however, and Optimus told the boy that if he could not defeat Megatron, Sam must put the All Spark into his chest which would destroy it. As Sam sought cover, Optimus faced down Megatron, and informed him that, "At the end of this day, one shall stand, one shall fall". Unfortunately, Megatron, even after years of stasis, proved to be far too powerful for Prime to defeat alone. The unit led by Lennox and the Raptor squadron laid down suppressing fire as Megatron reached for the All Spark, until Optimus finally took him down by sweeping his legs. Still, Megatron continued, crawling toward the cube. Believing he had lost, Optimus implored to Sam to put the All Spark into his chest. Sam instead thrust it into Megatron's chest, killing the Decepticon leader and destroying the All Spark.

[[Image:Allsparkshard.jpg|left|thumb|200px|The Autobot [[Matrix of Leadership|Dorito of leadership]]]]

As Optimus watched his brother die, he regretfully said there was little other choice. He also told Sam he owed him a debt of gratitude for saving his life, but was then informed that Jazz had not survived (Jazz was flapping around disrespectfully like a ragdoll during this sequence). Prime briefly eulogized his comrade, then commented that they had gained new comrades in the humans, and was honored by their bravery. Bumblebee, who had finally regained his voice, requested permission to remain with Sam Witwicky, to which the young human eagerly agreed, and Optimus approved. He noticed a fragment of the All Spark in Megatron's chest cavity and removed it, then permitted the humans to dispose of the Decepticon corpses by dumping them into the deepest part of the ocean.

[[Image:Movie Optimus ending.JPG|right|thumb|200px|[['Til all are one]]!]]
Though Megatron was killed and his Decepticons were defeated, the All Spark was destroyed, leaving the Autobots unable to restore Cybertron. The Autobots elected to remain on Earth, and Prime sent a message into deep space to any surviving Autobots in the Galaxy to come to their new home on Earth, their long years of searching having finally having come to an end. As the other Autobots rested (and watched Sam and Mikaela make out on Bumblebee's hood) Optimus Prime looked to the sky, hoping his message had been heard.{{storylink|Transformers (2007)}}

{{note|The comic book adaptation depicts Prime also defeating [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] during the highway altercation with Bonecrusher.}}

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===''Transformers'' The Game===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Peter Cullen]]

Optimus Prime provides intelligence and missions to Bumblebee in his search for the All Spark. Eventually, the clues lead the Autobot to Sam Witwicky. After saving Sam from Barricade, Bumblebee finally completes preparations for the Autobots to arrive on Earth.

Once on Earth, and having informed the two teenagers of their mission, Prime and the Autobots are discovered by Sector 7. Optimus sends Jazz on a high-speed <strike>destruction</strike> distraction mission, then sends Ironhide to rescue Jazz from a double-threat posed by the government agents and various Decepticon scouts.

When Bumblebee is captured, Prime transforms and chases the chopper which from which the small Autobot is tied. After a lengthy chase, Prime manages to catch the net, only to be thrown off by another Cybertronian meteor. As Bumblebee is carried away, Optimus promises he will not fail him again. Jazz informs him that the meteor is not an Autobot. Prime confronts the new threat, who turns out to be the Decepticon triplechanger [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]]. The two battle it out across [[Tranquility]] before Optimus finally destroys him. But not without overhearing [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]'s transmission revealing the location of the All Spark.

Optimus then returned to an intel role as he guided Bumblebee in his mission to retrieve the All Spark from Hoover dam. Unfortunately, the Decepticons manage to free Megatron, leading to the final battle in Mission City.

As the Autobots battle it out with the Decepticons to protect Sam and the All Spark, things seem to take a turn for the worst as Megatron finally arrives. But before he can claim the cube, Optimus attacks him.

The two battle it out until Megatron is finally on the ground, seemingly devoid of life. Optimus then kneels to as Sam hands it to him. Megatron however awakens, leaping at Optimus with his chain-flail out, and making one last attempt at defeating his adversary. Optimus grabs the chain, pulling Megatron in closer, and with the All Spark clutched in his fist, delivers a punch through Megatron's spark. As Megatron dies, Optimus reflects on the losses and rewards of this battle, as the Autobots have a new home. Optimus plans to guard the humans in secret, "For freedom is the right of all sentient beings."

Note: If played in Decepticon mode, Optimus is beaten to the ground, and as he crawls for the All Spark, Megatron smashes his head with his flail before using the cube to destroy humanity.

===''Transformers: Autobots''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Peter Cullen]]

Arriving late on Earth, Optimus meets up with the other Autobots to give further commands to his troops. [[Create-A-Bot (Autobot)|Create-A-Bot]], the new rookie, is eager to help in the cause, but Optimus tells him to sit back while the grown-ups take care of business. Getting fed up with the bureaucracy, Create-A-Bot finally defies orders and completes a mission against Optimus's council. After nearly getting himself and the other Autobots killed, Create-A-Bot apologizes to Optimus personally. Taking pity on the newcomer, Optimus lets him off with a stern warning, and they move out together to face Megatron. During the fight, Create-A-Bot sacrificed himself to save his commander. Megatron defeated, Optimus commended the young Autobot as a war hero, and sent out an interstellar message to any Cybertronians living among the stars.

===''Transformers: Decepticons''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Peter Cullen]]

Landing on Earth, Optimus quickly joins the other Autobots to attempt to stop the Decepticons. He doesn't actually appear, however, until Megatron himself is released and Starscream escapes with the AllSpark. He steps in to thwart the maniacal leader of the Decepticons, but alas, is struck down, left in the streets while Megatron gives chase to his traitorous second-in-command. You can ironically cheat by jumping on a building and shoot him then.

==Toys==
===Transformers (2007)===

As a tribute to his immense popularity, Optimus Prime is the only ''Movie'' transformer with a toy in every regular category (Legend, Fast Action, Deluxe, Voyager, and Leader.) This is excluding his Cyber Stomper and transformable gun toys.

====Legends Class toys====
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Legends Class, 2007)
:''Japanese name:'' '''EZ Collection Optimus Prime'''

[[Image:Movie_Legends_Prime_toy.jpg|thumb|left|Shortening the smokestacks is good, it makes the toy safer, but removing ONE and keeping the other? Crazy.]]

: Legends class Optimus Prime is an ''extremely'' simplified toy of the extremely complex movie design. As such, he features numerous unavoidable inaccuracies, such as not transforming or even looking very much like the original design or the larger toy versions in robot mode. However, proportionally Legends class Optimus Prime is not far off from the real truck and the Leader class toy's vehicle mode, aside from missing a smokestack on the driver's side. He is articulated at the shoulders and upper legs via ball-joints.

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*'''Generations Legends''' (Target exclusive multi-pack, 2007)

: A Target exclusive, this four-pack of Legends Class figures contains two versions of both Optimus Prime and Megatron, namely [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Legends of Cybertron Optimus Prime]], Movie Legends Optimus Prime, [[Megatron (Armada)|Legends of Cybertron Megatron]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Movie Legends Megatron]].

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*'''Battle for the Allspark''' (Toys'R'Us exclusive multi-pack, 2007)

[[Image:Movie_Allspark_Legends_pack.jpg|thumb|right|120px|Get ready for the safety recall folks.]]

: A Toys'R'Us exclusive, this six-pack of Legends class figures contains unmodified toys of Optimus Prime, [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]].

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*'''Nightwatch Optimus Prime vs. Stealth Starscream''' (Legends Allspark Battles two-pack, 2008)

: The previously-released Legends Class Optimus Prime toy is redecoed to match the Leader class Nightwatch Optimus Prime deco. He comes with a predominantly black and silver redeco of [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]].

====Deluxe Class toys====

*'''Protoform Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe Class, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-05'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun with flame attachment

[[Image:Movie_ProtoformOptimusPrime_toy.jpg|left|300px|thumb|Until I find my feet, I have to use these giant robot hands.]]

:Based upon the "Protoform" (Cybertronian) appearances of the Transformers in the Movie, Protoform Optimus Prime transforms into his "entry" mode. This mode somewhat resembles a cybertronic truck, with false wheels sculpted onto the sides, and Optimus Prime's trademark windows in front. A flame decoration piece fits to the back of the "vehicle", creating the illusion of a flaming comet's tail. The bottom of the vehicle has small wheels to roll the toy across smooth surfaces. Oddly, it has NO [[automorph]] gimmick at all, a feature most main-line figures have.

:In robot mode he resembles previous Optimus characters: his angular chest windows are reminiscent of ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], while his near-animalistic limbs and color scheme are evocative of ''[[Beast Wars]]'' [[Optimus Primal]]. He has excellent articulation due to his many ball joints, and is armed with a rifle. The flame attachment can fit onto the end of the (non-firing) gun barrel.

:Some packaging variants of this figure (perhaps a Wal-Mart exclusive) included a free movie poster depicting a Cybertronian eye overlooking Earth. While an added sticker to the outer plastic bubble says "Exclusive movie poster!", it is more of a preview of upcoming figures.

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*'''Protoform Optimus Prime Fusion Cluster Edition''' (C3xHobby Convention exclusive Deluxe, Japan 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Gun with missile and flame attachment

:An extensive redeco of the Protoform Optimus Prime mold that was exclusively available at the Japanese C3xHobby Convention in August of 2007, and later offered by [[e-Hobby]] in limited quantities. Most of the body is made out of transparent turquoise plastic in order to mimic its frozen state in the "coldness" of space, while orange paint is used on the front end of the "entry" mode, mimicking the heat effects of sudden atmospheric entry. The flame attachment is made out of clear ''blue'' plastic, with the tail end being covered in ''gold'' paint.

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*'''Deluxe three-pack''' (multi-pack, UK 2007)

:This three-pack, which was available at general retail in the United Kingdom, contains an unchanged Deluxe Class Protoform Optimus Prime together with equally unchanged Deluxe Class [[Brawl (Movie)|Decepticon Brawl]] and [[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]] toys.

====Voyager Class toys====

*'''Optimus Prime''' (Voyager Class, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-13'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 rifle/smokestack-fuel tank assemblies, 2 missiles

[[Image:Movie_Voyager_OptimusPrime_toy.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The last one of you out of here gets a... gets a lead salad!]]

:The mid-range Voyager class ''Movie'' Optimus Prime toy transforms into an amalgamation of the Kenworth W900 and the Peterbilt 379, making this toy fairly inaccurate to the actual vehicle Optimus Prime turned into. Because of the smaller size and lessened complexity, the Voyager class Optimus Prime features a significantly different transformation sequence compared to the Leader class toy, and indeed, the actual CGI design. However, as the actual truck cabin no longer forms his chest, the cabin now features a small interior with opening doors and a non-removable cowboy-hat-bedecked driver figurine that flips out of the seat when the driver's side door is opened.

: In robot mode, Voyager class Optimus Prime is proportionally more accurate to his CGI design than the leader class toy and has a more accurate headsculpt, but due to the aforementioned lessened complexity significant sacrifices had to be made, such as "cheats" to the transformation sequence to achieve this and thus he is overall less accurate than he initially appears. In addition to previously mentioned changes, he carries much of the truck's front hood, grill and fenders on his back like a backpack. However, he maintains a superb level of articulation and posability.

: Optimus Prime is armed with two large rifles formed out of a combination of both smokestacks and fuel tanks. These rifles peg into lower arms with grips for his open hands. The under-slung fuel tanks can fire spring-loaded projectiles. In vehicle mode, both smokestack rifles can be deployed as twin cannons, and this mechanism can also be used to store the rifles and deploy them as shoulder guns in robot mode.

*'''Robo-Vision Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' 2 rifle/smokestack-fuel tank assemblies, 2 missiles

[[Image:Movie_Robovision_OptimusPrime_toy.jpg|thumb|left|200px|I'd hate to see what those smokestacks looked like BEFORE Hasbro shortened them.]]

: A Target-[[exclusive]] repaint of the Voyager Class Optimus Prime toy, this limited edition version boasts a "Supermetal finish", resulting in silver metallic paint covering much of his paintable gray/silver plastic, a much higher contrast in his red and blue plastic colors and improved 'flame' paint decorations.

: Unusually for the smaller Voyager Class of toys, [[Robo-Vision]] Optimus Prime comes packed in robot mode in a special hexagonal column box with many windows, similar to the original packaging for ''20th Anniversary'' Optimus Prime. The package also includes a [[Robo-Vision Decoder]]. Strangely, this Target exclusive preceded the release of the regular Voyager by a large margin, coming out on June 2, 2007 with the initial wave of movie toys.

This toy has been retroactively declared part of the ''Premium Series'' of more [[show-accuracy|movie-accurate]] redecos of core characters from the movie.

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*'''Bumblebee and Optimus Prime''' (Argos exclusive two-pack, UK 2007)

:A two-pack, exclusiveliy available at Argos stores in the United Kingdom, which contains an unchanged Voyager Class Optimus Prime and an equally unchanged Deluxe Class Concept Camaro [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]].

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*'''Battle damage three-pack''' (Sam's Club exclusive three-pack, 2007)

:A three-pack, exclusive to Sam's Club stores, consisting of redecos of Voyager Class Optimus Prime and Deluxe Class [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], both with a battle damage deco, and an unchanged Voyager Class [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]].

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*'''First Strike Optimus Prime''' (Voyager Class, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 2 rifle/smokestack-fuel tank assemblies, 2 missiles

[[Image:Movie_Voyager_Firststrike_OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Think the [[Geewun|Geewunners]] will shut up now? ]]

: Released as part of the ''Allspark Power'' refresh of the movie line, First Strike Optimus Prime is a extensive redeco of Voyager class Optimus Prime in a colour scheme based upon ''Generation 1'' and ''Classics'' Optimus Prime. The included toy bio describes this coloring as Prime paying tribute to the markings he wore as a young soldier when the war began. Due to the transformation scheme, this figure actually ends up being ''less'' like its G1 counterpart in robot mode, a sacrifice made for the slavish redeco of the vehicle mode. You can't have your cake and eat it too, folks.

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*'''Autobot Optimus Prime''' ("international market" exclusive Voyager-sized toy, 2008)

:A single-packed version of the battle damaged Voyager Optimus Prime toy from the Sam's Club exclusive three-pack. Although the assortment number and the general packaging style seemed to indicate that this might be a Best Buy exclusive, this has been confirmed to be an "international market" exclusive. It has been released in Asia, but will presumably not be available in the USA outside the Sam's Club three-pack.
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====Leader Class toys====

*'''Optimus Prime''' (Leader Class, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Removable Ion blaster, 1 missile

[[Image:MovieLeader_OptimusPrime_toy.jpg|left|thumb|350px| Y'think Prime got a makeover? We have it on good authority that Movie [[Roller]] is a kicked-out low-rider with a jammin' sound system and neon-purple undercarriage lighting. ]]

: The largest ''Movie'' Optimus Prime toy, Leader Class Optimus Prime features the most accurate representation yet of the CGI designs' complex transformation sequence, the only difference being the arms which are placed behind the cab while they constitute the hood in the CGI model. He transforms into a heavily-customized [http://www.peterbilt.com/index_gal_mod_desc.asp?model=model379 Peterbilt 379] conventional extended-hood, and unusual for a mainline figure, he has rubber tires on all his wheels. His Ion Blaster weapon is stored in the rear of the truck's bunk, exposed like an engine block. Though Optimus has no trailer, he has hole where the fifth wheel (known among fans as a 'hitch') is sculpted in the rear of the truck, should owners find a suitable trailer to use. Due to [[For safety reasons|safety reasons]], the tips of his long smokestacks are made of rubber. A switch on top of the cab roof activates horn sounds and window lights.

: Featuring a complex transformation, essentially the front and back ends of the truck fold and converge to become Optimus Prime's legs, as much of the truck rear is connected to the robot thighs via a series of folding panels. The rear wheel cowlings feature a hinge joint in the middle of them so they do not impede his knee articulation. The rear cabin of the cab, directly connected to the smokestacks, rotate and connect to his torso and unfold into his arms. As with most mainline Movie toys, Optimus Prime features [[Automorph]] gimmicks, and due to his pricepoint has three of them. Firstly, during initial transformation, rotating his front fenders to become his heels flips the top parts of the grill to become his toes. Secondly, sliding out the double-barrel cannon in his right forearm flips out his spring-loaded Ion Blaster, which lands into place for his right hand. (The Ion Blaster can actually be popped off his forearm fairly easily, held in place by a simple clip.) Optimus' final Automorph, located in his torso, is activated by flipping the silver lever on his stomach activating a series of spring-loaded actions where the truck windows are pushed apart, and the lever between them is raised, enabling the head to spring up from the chest cavity. At this point yellow LEDs light up the chest windows and Optimus Prime's eyes, accompanied by a 'powering up' sound effect.

: Optimus Prime has a wide range of articulation for a relatively bulky figure. He has ratcheting joints in his shoulders, elbows, hips and knees, with swivel joints and ball joints supporting them in his biceps, lower knee joints and ankles. Again, unusually for a mainline figure, especially at the Leader pricepoint, his hands have individually articulated fingers and thumbs.

*'''Optimus Prime bonus pack''' (Costco exclusive multi-pack, 2007)

:A Costco exclusive special pack of Leader Class Optimus Prime with Legends Class [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] and [[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]] as bonus figures. None of the three toys is changed from their respective original releases.

*'''Chrome Optimus Prime''' (Leader Class, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Removable Ion blaster, 1 missile

: Two custom-made pieces (presented in robot and vehicle mode) by the [[Hasbro]] ''Transformers'' team as the grand prize for G4TV and [http://www.jumpcut.com Jumpcut]'s contest for fans to remix selected Transformers clips. Won by [http://www.TFW2005.com/ TFW2005.com] member James Zahn, this one of a kind (well, two of a kind) piece is a almost fully [[Vacuum metalizing|vacuum-metallized]] Leader class Optimus Prime in red, silver and blue (based heavily upon ''Generation 1'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]), presented with a custom display base with an embossed silver Autobot insignia and a perspex display case.

:It is certainly one of the rarest Transformers toys ever, and unless you are James, you will never own one.

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*'''Nightwatch Optimus Prime''' (Leader Class, UK 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Removable Ion blaster, 1 missile

[[Image:Movie_Leader_Nightwatch_OptimusPrime_2007.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Either this is [[Ultra Magnus]] or [[Nemesis Prime]]]]

: The first Nightwatch Optimus Prime is an extensive redeco of the previously released Leader-class Optimus Prime, replacing most of his red and blue with different shades of blue and black. In fact, he resembles the original [[Diaclone]] Powered Convoy color scheme of ''Generation 1'' [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus's]] truck cab. The previously blue and red flames have been replaced with silver flames, as has various other decos, replaced by copper.

: This version was released in the UK several months before the ''AllSpark Power'' version. Available exclusively through Argos stores, it came in an American-style box with the original Movie packaging design.

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*'''Nightwatch Optimus Prime''' (Leader Class, USA 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Removable Ion blaster, 1 missile

[[Image:Movie_Leader_Nightwatch_OptimusPrime_2008.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Ultra Prime or Nemesis Magnus?]]

: The second Nightwatch Optimus Prime was released as part of the "[[AllSpark Power]]" second half of the Movie line. He is similar to the UK version of Nightwatch Prime, replacing most of his red and blue with different shades of blue and black, retaining his resemblance to Diaclone Powered Convoy in most respects. However, the subdued black and copper on the first Nightwatch Prime have been replaced with gold and a ''very'' bright blue, to signify the All Spark energy affecting the Transformers.

: Another difference is that this version comes in an ''AllSpark Power''-style box instead of the original style.

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*'''Optimus Prime''' ("Premium Series" Leader Class, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Detachable, Retractable "energy sword"
[[Image:Premium movie OP.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Switch-Blade Prime]]

: The Premium Series Optimus Prime is both a retool and a redeco of the Leader Class Optimus Prime toy. The major selling point is a more movie-accurate headsculpt with longer ears and detailing based on the final CG head design, and a flip-out energy sword to replace the ion blaster that was included with previous versions of the toy. This energy sword is detachable and attaches where the Ion Blaster did, compatible with non-premium Optimus Prime leader class based releases. Because his ears are much longer, the truck roof panel that hides his head now has two holes cut into so the head can fit inside the cabin.

:The paint deco is... unfocused, to say the least. In vehicle mode, the grill, headlights, bumps (thus his feet) are painted silver, yet the red in the small Autobot insignia has been removed. There is silver paint on the fuel tanks (toy battery cover), but not on the other tool boxes and equipment in the same location. There is also silver paint on all 6 wheel rims, the air cleaners and the windscreen visor. In robot mode the silver paint is mainly located on his thighs and crotch, though in order to save on costs, the dark blue and gold paint on his thighs and knee joints have been sacrificed.

: Unlike the initial ''Premium Series'' toys, this one will be available as part of the regular mass retail Leader Class assortment.

*'''Optimus Prime Battle Mode''' (Leader Class, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-21'''
**''Accessories:'' Detachable, Retractable "energy sword"

[[Image:Movie_Leader_OptimusPrimeBattleMode.jpg|thumb|left|He loves his lips so much he won't let anyone sculpt them on his toys.]]

:The TakaraTomy version of Premium Series Optimus Prime has a considerably different deco to Hasbro's release. Similar to the unique chrome Optimus Prime, Optimus Prime Battle Mode features vacuum-metallized parts for nearly all of the silver truck parts, for a greater resemblance to the polished chrome on the real prop trucks. Unfortunately, as his feet are the front fenders and grill, this will likely lead to chipping. In robot mode he retains several decos that were removed from Hasbro's Premium Optimus Prime for cost reasons, such as the blue and gold decos on his thighs. Finally, the flip-out energy sword is coloured gold to reflect it's "powered up" appearance.
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====Fast Action Battlers====

* '''Power Hook Optimus Prime''' (Fast Action Battler, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''QC-01'''
**''Accessories:'' 1 Missile

[[Image:Movie_FAB_OptimusPrime_toy.jpg|thumb|right|Ironically NOT a Burger King toy.]]
"Okay mommy, me got my backback and big gun thingy. Me go to robot school now?"

That's what it looks like this Prime is saying.
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* '''Leader for the Ages''' (Wal*Mart exclusive two-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' 1 gun, 1 Missile

[[Image:Movie_LeaderfortheAges_2pack.jpg|thumb|left|150px|The more things change, the more they, uh, get bigger guns.]]

: This Wal*Mart [[exclusive]] two-pack contains the ''Fast Action Battler'' Power Hook Optimus Prime toy, designated "2007 Optimus Prime", and the ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] toy from ''The Ultimate Battle'' DVD two-pack. Both toys are identical to their normal individual releases.

: For some reason the ''Classics'' Optimus toy is designated "1984 Optimus Prime" on the packaging, even though it was released in 2006... but, well, he ''looks'' like Prime from '84, so hey, what the hell.
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*'''Fire Blast Optimus Prime''' (Fast Action Battler, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 1 Missile

: Fire Blast Optimus Prime is a [[redeco]] of the previously released Power Hook Optimus Prime fast action battler. The color scheme is loosely based upon ''Generation 1'' [[Rodimus Prime]], explained rather oddly in the card bio as being the camouflage Optimus took while hunting Decepticons on Mars post-movie. ...Because there are so many longnose cabs driving around Mars. Yeah.

====Cyber Stompin' Robots====

*'''Optimus Prime''' (Cyber Stompin' Robot, 2007)

[[Image:Movie_Cyberstompin_Prime_toy.jpg|thumb|right|120px|Rescue Heroes!]]
He does look like a Rescue Hero.
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====Robot Replicas====

*'''Optimus Prime''' (Robot Replica, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster arm

[[Image:Optimusprimemovierobotreplicas.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Sword attachment arm sadly not included.]]

: As part of the [[Robot Replicas]] line, this version of Optimus is a non-transforming action figure that utilizes [[Revoltech]]-style jointing. The sculpt hews much closer to the movie CGI model than is possible with the full transforming toys, plus the universal jointing of the line allows for his forearm to be replaced with his hand-cannon... or bits from other Robot Replicas.

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====Other toys====

*'''Optimus Prime''' (cake topper, 2007)

: Yes, a cake topper. This toy was only available by purchasing a ''Transformers''-brand cake (or set of 24 cupcakes) with delicious blue-and-red flame-pattern frosting. The toy transforms from semi cab to robot.

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====Micro IR Transformers Cars====
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2007)

[[Image:Movie_OptimusPrime_MicroIR.jpg|thumb|right|120px|That gun doesn't look very safe...]]

: Made under license by [[Radio Shack]]. Three-function infrared remote, in Optimus Prime's signature colors, gives you control of the car with forward and reverse turn movement. More than just a car styled after the Movie character, the car also transforms to robot mode. The top of the gun-shaped IR remote's barrel serves as a display stand.

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===Titanium Series===
*'''Optimus Prime''' (3" Robot Masters, 2007)

[[Image:Movie_TitaniumRM_Prime.jpg|thumb|left|120px|"Groovy!"]]

: Partially constructed of die-cast metal, this small three inch figurine of Optimus Prime has a CGI-accurate sculpt compared to the larger toys, owing to the fact it does not need to transform at all. He is sculpted with his Ion Blaster in his right fist, and is articulated at the neck, shoulders and waist. He comes with a small movie-style Autobot sigil display stand.

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*'''Ultimate Optimus Prime 3-Pack''' (3" Robot Masters multi-pack, 2007)

: This Target-exlusve set contains the normal 3" [[Titanium Series]] Optimus Prime figurine (see above), a Protoform Optimus Prime figurine, and Optimus Prime in his Earth-mode truck form, making this the first time a character has appeared in their alternate mode as part of the Robot Masters sub-series.

==Merchandise==

===Transformers (2007)===
*'''Optimus Prime Voice Changer''' (2007)

[[Image:MoviePrime_Voicechanger_helmet.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Hardly ''anyone'' was wearing these damn things at [[BotCon 2007]].]]

:A highly CG-accurate sculpt of Optimus Prime's head with a built in voice-changer. It also has several sound effects and quotes from the movie. The voice-changer has three settings, giving more accurate alteration of the user's voice (though this is still debatable; most voice changing technology is pretty crummy, at least in toys). Much like the Ultimate Bumblebee figure, this toy will hate your wallet too. While it only costs 30 bucks, if it's anything like another Hasbro voice changer, it will suck batteries up like they were [[Energon Cube|some kind of square candy holder.]]

: There are two versions of the voice changer helmet with two different pre-recorded voices. An earlier release features a voice similar to [[Garry Chalk]], while the later release features the voice of [[Peter Cullen]]. The latter version has modified packaging under the 'Try Me!' blurb, stating it has 'Real Movie Voice!', though the updated version has also appeared in the original packaging without the 'Real Movie Voice!' notice.

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*'''Optimus Prime Battle Rig Blaster''' (2007)

[[Image:MoviePrime_BattleRigBlaster.jpg|thumb|left|Nor these!]]

:The Optimus Prime Battle Rig Blaster transforms from a superdeformed amalgamation of his ''Movie'' truck and G1 Optimus Prime's truck (indeed pulling G1 Prime's trailer) to a fully G1 robotic forearm and hand with a built in Nerf style gun. By simply placing your hand inside the back of the trailer (I need an adult!) and pulling back on the front of the truck, the gun transforms and folds back into a weapon. It comes with three Nerf N-Strike size whistle darts which can be stored inisde the trailer. Although not shown in the image, the truck front splits in half in gun-mode, while the grille acts as a sight. This toy was marketed as 'Optimus Prime Big Rig Blaster' overseas.

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*'''Optimus Prime Blaster''' (2007)

[[Image:Movie_OptimusPrime_RPBlaster.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Pew, Pew]]

: An extensive [[redeco]] of the ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] role-play Blaster, this toy "transforms" basically by extending. It fires suction-cup-tipped Nerf darts and is a Wal*mart and asda exclusive.

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*'''Transformers Electronic Hand Held Game''' (2007)

[[Image:Movie_TFHandHeldGame.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Behold, the Autobot Gameboy of Leadership!]]

:This LCD game features 10 levels and a design based on Optimus Prime.

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*'''Optimus Prime''' Burger King free toy (2007)

:The BK tie in toy of Optimus Prime is essentially two toys in one. The first part of the toy consists of two truck halves, which snap together around a sculpted robot mode Optimus Prime. The truck is squat, and primarily blue, with outbursts of chalk gray paint and red flames. Pulling back and letting go activates the gimmick: Prime "drives" forward and bursts from the truck mode, "transformed" to robot mode. This gimmick has marginal success.

:The "robot mode" of Optimus Prime is where the pullback motor and working wheels of the toys lie. Optimus is sculpted in blue plastic, pre-posed in an odd crouching pose with zero points of articulation. His right knee is bent back, with his right arm touching his knee, while the left side has the leg forward and the left hand holding onto his butt. The toy is as sparsely painted as the truck, with light blue eyes and chest windows, gray hands and feet among other parts, and red forearms. Two panels on his back have red flame tongues on them.

*'''Optimus Prime Globe''' (2007)

[[Image:Optimus_Prime_globe.jpg|thumb|right|150px|I'm dreaming of an Autobot Christmas...]]

: A snow globe containing an Optimus Prime figurine based upon one of lower-detail licensing/promotional renders of Optimus Prime, complete with funky munky pose.

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===ZipZaps® Micro RC===
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2007)
:''Model Number'': '''6000182'''

[[Image:Movie_OptimusPrime_ZipZaps.jpg|thumb|left|120px|In Soviet Russia, Prime controls YOU!]]

: Optimus Prime is one of the first Transformers characters licensed by [[Radio Shack]] for their ZipZaps line of pocket-size radio control cars. As a ZipZap, Optimus can be customized, trimmed, and tuned with any other accessories available for the brand. He has working headlights and requires four "AAA" batteries for the charger.

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===Battling Robots Bubble Bath===
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2007)

[[Image:optimus_prime_bubblebath.jpg|thumb|right|120px|Great skin is the right of all sentient beings.]]

:Optimus Prime's torso attaches to the bottle of bubble bath. His elbows bend, and his arms have a punching gimmick, to allow him to battle evil even in the shower. Pushing a lever on either side makes the respective fist punch forward. He's removable, though not as easily held without the bottle below his waist.

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===Robot Heroes===
*'''Optimus Prime vs. Blackout''' (2007)

*'''Optimus Prime vs. Scorponok''' (2007)

*'''"Battle Damage" Optimus Prime & Cliffjumper''' (Best Buy Movie DVD Exclusives)

*'''Optimus Prime vs. Barricade" (2008)

[[Image:Rhscorpprime.jpg|left|thumb|150px|He's cute as he violently decapitates [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|rage filled mechanoids]].]]

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==Trivia==
[[Image:Movie_Primetruck_before.jpg|thumb|right|150px|8:30 pm: "Pimp My Ride". Guest host: [[Alpha Trion]].]]
[[Image:Movie_OptimusPrime_truckrear.jpg|thumb|right|150px|No container for you!]]
[[Image:Movie_Prime_Trucklogomistake.jpg|thumb|right|150px|In the darkness, a PA will misread "Truck A" as "Truck B", and there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth -- Revelations 11:7.]]
* When Optimus' design was first revealed, many fans of the ''Generation 1'' series objected to the flames seen on Prime's body. When asked in an interview why he put the flames on, [[Michael Bay]] claimed he liked them because it was "cool". It was later revealed on a special featurette on the DVD that the flames were added to give Prime's red colour a brighter tone, as apparentely red is not very good to film on camera.

*The announcement of [[Peter Cullen]] as Prime's voice actor in the movie is credited by some fans as allieving many fan tensions about the movie. Not all tensions, mind you, as there are some who just can't forgive, but it put the fans in a good mood.

* [[Takaratomy]] officially recognizes Optimus Prime's vehicle mode as a [http://www.kenworth.com/2100_vir_w900.asp Kenworth W900 truck], even though the vehicle used for filming was a modified [http://www.peterbilt.com/index_gal_mod_desc.asp?model=model379 Peterbilt 379], a different model from a different brand, although both are made by the PACCAR company. <ref> [http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=121424?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..2.* Article at Edmunds.com on some of the vehicles used in the movie] </ref>

* Unlike most of the other truck-mode Optimus Primes in other continuities, ''Movie'' Optimus Prime does not pull a trailer of any sort. However, if he did, it would most likely be a flatbed trailer, as the rear of Prime's sleeper cabin is protected by a large silver headache rack, a piece of optional equipment installed in trucks that haul heavy loads on flatbed trailers. The rack protects the driver in case the load breaks free during braking.

*When Optimus Prime scans a truck for his new body, the passing truck has what appears to be an Autobot sigil on its grill, but the actual truck that Prime turns into at the end of the scene has a much wider, flatter symbol on the grill which looks rather more like that of Peterbilt.

* As part of the hype buildup to the movie's release, Optimus Prime made a brief cameo at the 2007 MTV Movie Awards, interacting with host Sarah Silverman. The scene spliced Silverman into pre-existing movie footage, but featured new dialogue recorded for the event by Peter Cullen. Prime heavily hinted that he wanted to present an award, but was rejected for a regular MTV fan.

* According to the free trading cards from the Boston Globe, Optimus is 28 feet tall, weighs 4.3 metric tons, and his primary weapon is an [[ion blaster]]. (Considering Optimus's height however, this weight would seem implausible)

* According to a tie-in advertisement for [[Burger King]], Prime likes his Whoppers with no onions, no cheese, and with extra pickles on the side. However, due to a cruel twist of fate, he can never enjoy the sweet taste of beefy victory. He saved the world from the Decepticons, and still he can't even have it his way?

* The Optimus Prime computer generated model consisted of 10,108 individual parts, 1,830,898 polygons, 27,744 rig nodes, and 2336 texture maps. The volume of all pieces combined came to 5445 cubic feet.<ref>Robertson, Barbara (2007). Heavy Metal. ''Computer Graphics, 30''(7), 12-17.</ref>

* Sadly enough, Optimus was only able to shoot his gun ONCE in the movie. He makes up for it by using the awesome energy blade, though.

*Out of the other existing continuities, this Optimus Prime is probably the most aggressive incarnation, based on how he speaks to [[Reggie Simmons|government officials]] and how he deals with [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|enemy combatants]]. Though considering [[Michael Bay|who directed]] the movie, this doesn't seem too shocking.

* Optimus Prime (in truck mode) made an appearance at [[BotCon 2007]], alongside the [[Sector Seven Mobile Command Unit]]. He was available for pictures all weekend.

* It said in the Autobots game in the DS, Prime's father was killed by Megatron. However, since it is also widely known that Prime and Megatron were brothers, Megatron killed his own dad. Not that this is surprising, though.

* According to [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7431640.stm British officials], Optimus Prime is [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/For_safety_reasons "a security risk"] on airplanes. If you have any swag with his image on it, or Primus forbid, a toy of him, you will be stopped at airport security.

* Prime's initial plan to end the war: unite the All Spark with his own spark, destroying it and himself, leaving the Autobots leaderless and further reducing their already dangerously low ranks, and leaving a planet full of squishy, carbon-based life forms at the mercy of a psychotically violent Decepticon conqueror who wouldn't think twice about obliterating the remaining Autobots, the planet and every living creature on it, and perhaps Starscream just for good measure...yeah. Really thought that one through, didn't ya, Prime?

==External links==
* [http://www.seibertron.com/toys/index.php?f_series=40&f_name=optimus&f_type=exact&Submit=Search Galleries of various different Optimus Prime toys from the Movie]
* [http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/Robo-VisionOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm Optimus Prime at TFU.info]

==References==
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[[Category: Autobot leaders]]
[[Category: Convention guests]]
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[[Category: Legends of Cybertron]]
[[Category: Movie characters]]
[[Category: Rulers of Cybertron]]
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Talk:Black Friday (episode)

2008-06-10T03:29:22Z

Liberal Noob: /* Spoiler */

When and where was this shown? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:[[BotCon 2008]] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 00:45, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
::I wouldn't count a convention screening as an airdate. That implies it was actually broadcast. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Could note its actual airdate with a parenthetical (preview screening at BotCon 2008) on the end.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:47, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

==One of the edits==
One of the editors removed all reference to Prime, because it's a rank in Animated. But Optimus is frequently referred to ''as'' Prime, and it's been a rank in other continuities as well...opinions? [[User:GWolfv2]]
:My rules for Animated are that A) if Sentinel Prime is in the episode, Optimus Prime is "Optimus", and B) in flashbacks, which might take place before he got the rank, he should be called "Optimus". Otherwise, "Prime" is okay, especially since the other characters often call him that. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

:That's pretty much how I do it. I even had to mentally correct myself not to refer to Optimus as "Prime" when in the same sentence as Sentinel Prime while writting the summary for Mission Accomplished last week. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

:I think that, for Animated, Optimus Prime should only be referred to as "Optimus Prime" or "Optimus" in a summary regardless of whether Sentinel (or some other Prime) is in the episode, simply to keep it consistent between episode summaries - there are episodes you ''can't'' refer to him as just "Prime" without introducing an ambiguity, so better to avoid it altogether. We've got SP already, they said they may introduce a Rodimus Prime in S3 or S4, and if we see another Autobot crew at any point, logically they should have a "Prime" even if it's a minor role. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
::There's three Prime's in IDW. IF someone says Prime, no one thinks Nova or Sentinel. And the only character referred to as Prime in Animated so far is Optimus. The one time they were both around, it was directed at Optimus only. {{unsigned|GWolfv2}}

==Colossus Rhodes==
I noticed a distinct lack of Colossus Rhodes being mentioned in the summary and the stats. Was he not in this episode? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:I don't believe he was. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
==Spoiler==

Any need for one on an episode page like this? {{unsigned|GWolfv2}}
:Yes. Someone could get here by clicking "Random Page," or just not comprehend that *anybody* could have seen this episode 2 months before its actual airing. It does no harm to keep it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 00:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
::Well shouldn't we be sticking one on every new episode then? If you end up on the page Black Friday, it makes sense you guess it might spoil some stuff for Black Friday. Character pages are one thing, you end up there for various reasons...ep guides, if you read the page, you do it for one or two reasons, all of them expect spoilers. {{unsigned|GWolfv2}}

I definitely think we should have the Does Prime Die!? thing at the top of this page. --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 16:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
:Agreed [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 03:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

==Summary overhaul==

I think the summary needs a bit of an overhaul. A lot of stuff that seems slightly off, which makes sense since it was just written from memory [[User:GWolfv2]] 00.20 June 5th

==Pretender guys==

I wish we had names for them, since a 2nd appearance would surely take them over from "cool, one-time reference not warranting a page" to "cool recurring reference that needs a page"--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 02:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:We could perhaps put them at [[Experiments of Prometheus Black]] until a better name can be found.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::[[Meltdown's Experiments]]?--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 03:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Would have to be [[Meltdown's experiments]], or Walky smash.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, we certainly don't want that.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 03:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::[[Meltdown's creatures]]. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I, uh, almost feel bad for bringing that one up, since the wiki has a long and amusing history regarding purported ''Gurren-Lagann'' references, but the close-up of the pretender guys' faces when they throw Optimus and Grimlock out of the cave ([http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1319/glmaybeuk5.jpg this one]) is quite similar to the style used in the Gurren-Lagann mid-episode eyecatches ([http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/5247/glza4.jpg sample here]). It struck me since the style was, for one second, so different from the rest of TFA, while the look is [http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/7897/gl8mn3.jpg pretty typical] for GL. Since the cartoon trivia section mentions GL references may entirely be possible from season 2 on, I think this one may be fair game.--[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 16:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Grimock's roar ==

Is it worth mentioning in the article somewhere that when Grimlock is menacing Mr. Powell, he emits the Jurassic Park T-rex roar?

[[Special:Contributions/75.33.195.176|75.33.195.176]] 11:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

== Miscellaneous trivia ==

'This is the first time Optimus mentioned Blackarachnia instead of what he mentioned to Blackarachnia in the 9th episode.'

... Huh? What does that even mean? [[User:Rose.T|Rose.T]] 04:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:...maybe it means it's the first time he calls her Blackarachnia instead of Elita-1?--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 04:57, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

:If it's gibberish, nuke it. In general the trivia notes on Animated episodes are way too long. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Thingy ==
Was the thingy meltdown used to take away the spider's robot mode the thing take kept him alive. [[User:Mr. Serious|Mr. Serious]] 19:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Optimus Prime (Movie)

2008-06-06T21:59:22Z

Liberal Noob:

Prime's offical bio was released a few days ago. Shouldn't it go in here?

Read your talk page more often. Explanation was there. Suffice to say, posting the bio, word for word, is a no-no.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 11:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I never read my talk page. Who in their right mind would want to talk to me

The captions under the pictures in this article are inapropriate and rude {{unsigned|Pirakafreak24}}
:I'm sorry you lack a sense of humor. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

==Unreleased Toy?==
My friend recently sold me a "prototype Mcdonalds" O.P. for 4 bucks along with some other figures. Teletraan 1 does not have an entry on this odd toy, and I am gretly curious as to what the heck this toy is: [img]http://gallery.zealot.com/data/500/medium/000_0017.JPG[/img]

==Top image==
Derik, on-screen Movie characters need to have Dreamworks images at the top of their pages. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:...why? If a character appears in multiple media we seem to pick whatever shows the character off best. This book (being a retelling of the movie) probably isn't the best example, but if we got a great image of Prime by Geoff Senior in the UK Mag, can we never use that?
:(I'm not disagreeing that there ''is'' a good argument for reverting to the original picture,but I'm not sure I agree with your statement that Dreamworks renders are ''automatically'' the only acceptable main image. Frankly, I think a ''lot'' of Dreamworks images look bad when not in motion.)

-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:Because we need the top-quality Dreamworks renders on every on-screen character's page in any case, and putting them on top creates consistency like a legitimate encyclopedia. You added a ''great'' image, but it belongs down further. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::I still prefer that render of the actual CG model used in the movie than the low-res, low-detail promotional CG model render we're using now. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Yes, let us use that one. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Apparently we can't. They decided that the movie design looked ugly and that was the end of discussion, evidently. I, on the other hand, think the lower-detail design from late 2005/2006 that the toys are based upon looks... incomplete (I mean the front of the hood just becomes these little nubs under his windows!) and not as visually impressive as the final version. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:10, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

{| width="100%"
|+ Profile images of Movie Prime
|-
| [[Image:MovieOptimusPrime promorender.jpg|800x200px]]
| [[Image:MovieOptimusPrime promorender3.jpg|800x200px]]
| [[Image:MovieOptimusPrime promorender2.jpg|800x200px]]
| [[Image:Movieprime meettheautobots.jpg|800x200px]]
|}

I'm looking at these 4 images- and I'm really not seeing the huge differences between the designs of 2 and 3 that you're describing. Where does his hood go on #2 version that it doesn't in #3? #3 looks liek a rougher, simpler (better proportioned) model, but of the final design to me. And ''any'' way you cut it, i think #1 and #2 are the ''ugliest'' pictures in this lineup.

<nowiki>#</nowiki>1's shoulder is coming out of his crotch, for instance. If the final image misleads the eye about spatial relationships then it's ''badly composed''. The abstract knowledge that it is a 3d model and thus spatially perfect does not change the fact it it a terrible 2D image. #3 has displeasing proportions- and frankly is boring and inspiring, capturing none of Prime's character. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if it matters to anyone. But I prefer images 3 and 4. #1 is AWEFUL. #2 is boring. #3 is decent. #4 Is the best image, objectively, but of course isn't CGI.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::It' not like we're locked into the CGI- we don't use it for [[Cheetor]]'s main image. If anything we seem to like having [[Terrorsaur (BW)|some variety]] to the sources we use. That said- this ''is'' Prime, and I'd like to have a Dreamworks image if we could find one that doesn't suck. It's not like we're locked into 'Okay it MUST be one of the Dreamworks promo images,' or that any image we choose is permanent. Once the Blue-ray of the movie comes out we'll have lots of images to choose from (Not the mention the promised intermezzo story.)
::I happen to think [http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/we_are_waiting.jpg this] is a gorgeous image, and even though it's of Prime's back, it captures something central to his character, and unique to the Movie version, the decision to make Earth not just a second home like in every other continuity ever- but an ''only'' home. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:What does the first picture have to do with anything? That's the old design anyway, and it seems most people hate that pose. The hood on the final model is more obviously hood-shaped and sits there on his torso. On the earlier design, they become red, for a lack of a better word, ''shapes''. It is, by comparison, a poor CG model to the actual movie one, and the only thing going for it is its HEROIC POSE. But I can already see that maintaining such a differing opinion will be to no avail. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::You're all disdainful of the heoric pose. Why? Do you think that the main image should be lifeless and dead as long as it's correct? It's not like these are the only two renders of Prime out there. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:::I'm not a fan of the model, not the pose. Those stupidly long blue things on his forearms appear to have been shorted or folded on the movie model. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

==Fiction==

Someone else had already added in some information from the prequel comics in the top paragraph, so I just rearranged it to the bottom with a spoiler tag. If we're not supposed to put fiction in yet, I'm sorry. -[[User:EricMarrs|EricMarrs]] 14:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== EW Interview canonical? ==

How do we want to treat the new Entertainment Weekly intereview with movie Prime? It was apparently written by the screenplay writers and was (likely?) approved by Hasbro to see print, does that make it official canon? We HAVE set a president of a sort by counting things like [[Toaster (G1)|Toaster]] and the "ask vector prime" info, though those were from first party sources and this is in a second party source but was likely approved by first party? So, um yeah, is that official enough? I ask because though tounge-in-cheek it mentions things like movie Ratchet's wedding that might deserve a passing light-hearted mention on his page. If we are taking Toaster and Blaster's sister as cannon then is this any different? Thoughts? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 01:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:I don't know how likely or not it was to have been Hasbro approved. Given how meta-jokingly it's written -- with Optimus and Megatron being actors who play Optimus and Megatron in the movie, Megatron being such a method actor it's best to avoid him when he's in-character because he might vaporize you -- I'm not really sure how to treat it as "canon."

:Also, I feel I must nitpickingly point out that, technically, the reference isn't to ''movie'' Ratchet's wedding, as that answer comes in response to a question about whether Optimus kept up with "his old Autobot buddies from the show," and we of course are treating the movie and G1 characters as separate entities. ;) --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

::I agree it's a tricky call, which is why I bring it up. I'd guess anything written by the screenwriters as promo for the movie in a major publication like EW would have had to have some kind of official OK/oversite. The "meta" side of it, being tounge in cheek and breaking the third wall and all that is an issue too, but at the same time we include things like the tounge-in-cheek, third-wall-breaking Botcon scripts, UK letters page, and ask Vector Prime which all proceed from similar footing. It's worth debate at least. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 03:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

In a similar vein, what about Sarah Silverman being a Transformer? All that MTV awards show shpiel had to have been approved at least by Dreamworks. It's no more ridiculous than any of the other examples listed above. Less funny, but that's Sarah Silverman for you. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

== OP's face ==

Should it be added in that Optimus will still have his retractable face plate as seen in earlier concept work (now confirmed by official screenshots) and that he looks a lot like a robotic Peter Cullin? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 02:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== What went wrong? ==

What the fuck just happened? I edited the "Fast Action Battlers" section, and now it's fucked up! What did I do wrong? Does this Wiki have a mind of it's own, and it craves incorrect information, thus if I try to correct it it screws me over?

I honestly dont know either bud. I wish they would say SOMTHING more then what their saying about all of the Fast Action battlers. A wiki should be unbais. Btw: Since this is the talk page, I just thot I'd throw in an OPINION, but my OPINION is that I think Fast action Starscream, Ratchet, and Brawl are pretty close to the "real" versions of them, and a nice alternative when u wanna save a few bucks. (with the latter...the former..not so much, but its a nice alternative to him, and the cannon is more accurate)--[[User:Chipmonk3288|Chipmonk3288]]

== FAB and G1 prime two-pack ==
"For some reason the Classics Prime toy is designated "1984 Optimus Prime", even though he was released in 2006." I'd love to edit out this stupidity, but last time I tried it screwed up the format of the text. Can somebody tell me what I did wrong, or just fix the mistake themselves? --[[User:MrMania|Sav]] 10:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:What's wrong with it? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

::And don't call my work stupid. I'm responsible for most of the toy sections on this wiki these days,and most are uncompromisingly 'straight' in comparison to the rest of this place. That was a moment of left-of-field levity - I was pointing out the fact a crappy G1 Prime toy from 2006 that sort of looks like G1 Prime is flogged as '1984 Prime' even though he ''technically'' isn't. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:::It's meant to represent G1 Prime, and it does a fairly good job, because I think "g1" when I look at the toy. No matter, though, it seems to have been corrected.--[[User:MrMania|Sav]] 08:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

== Leader class figure factory irregular ==

I recently picked up a leader class prime and when I tried to transform it, one of its elbows wouldn't bend. at first I thought it was the screws, but upon closer inspection, the two arm parts had fused solid! is it my figure or a larger oversight on hasbros part?

== Peter cullen figure? ==

I want pics. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
: [http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=view&album=Collection%2Fact442&pic=movie_robot_vision_optimus_prime08.jpg&dispsize=1000&start=0 Bam.] [[User:70.55.207.104|70.55.207.104]] 09:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

==spare pic==
[[:Image:MovieOptimusPrime_promorender2.jpg|Old low-detail promo render pic]] --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

==Main pic==
[[Image:Movieprime meettheautobots.jpg|right|thumb|"Freedom is the right of all-- ooh, pretty!"]]
How about we discuss it before changing the picture? Especially (as I pointed out in the image talk of render3), this old render picture is based on the outdated design. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:There's been more discussion on this ''somewhere'' where we went full-circle around ''this is not the final design / the final design has less pleasing proportions / there are no CGI images of the final design that doesn't look goofy''.
:Does anyone have the DK I-0can-read book 'Meet the Autobots'? The hand-illustrated image of Optimus Prime standing on Earth on the final page is (I think) the final design, and I think it'd make a ''fantastic'' main pic for the article. (Unfortunately I bought the guidebook instead, so... anyone want to scan?) -04:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
::Oh man, we totally ''need'' to have that picture on the article somewhere. It's fantastic. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 21:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:::In the book this images occurs (I think) ''after'' the closing monologue of the movie, with Optimus thinking that 'life is good' on his new home. Could it go at the end of the movie section? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

== Siblings? ==

I know that OP calls Megatron "Brother" in the movie, but are they actually siblings, or was Optimus speaking metaphorically (as Optimi tend to do)? If it's stated in the prequel comics, that's fine, but if it's only from one line in the movie I have to contend it. -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, they are siblings. Its in the comics, kids books, novelisation ect, as I understand it. They toned down the reference to that one line in the movie for some reason, as the references were apparently more prevalent in the older draft. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:57, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

:I thought he was just having a Hulk Hogan momemt. -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 06:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== His father ==
So one of the video games has a cutscene where Optimus says to Jazz that Megatron "took my father's spark". Did Activision bother to give the brothers' father a NAME in any of the games? -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:Not the console version.--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 01:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Another fun addition ==

I added basic information about the new "First Strike" Prime. Should be enough to suffice.

== Videos mentioned in the trivia section... ==

I've only found poor quality videos from YouTube of that Burger King and the MTV thing - do higher res/quality ones exist? (And should we put links in so people can see them? I honestly didn't know about them until I read the page).

== Giftcard and DVD Case Primes ==

Okay, I've hot a question... The Target giftcard and DVD cases that unfold into flat versions of Optimus Prime... Do they belong in the Merchandise section, and if so, does anyone have decent pictures of them? --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 18:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

== Rearranging the toy list? ==

Should we rearrange the toy list sorted by molds? Currently it's a mess, it doesn't even exactly follow the release order; and even though Robo-Vision Prime ''was'' released ''after'' regular Voyager Prime, having them listed in this order and then calling Robo-Vision Prime a "redeco" of Voyager Prime is kinda iffy.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
: So. Any objections to this?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 11:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
::Robo-Vision Prime preceded Voyager Prime by a very hefty margin. Technically Voyager Prime's the redeco here.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Voyager Class shoulder cannons?==

Ok, I bought First Strike Optimus and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get his shoulder cannons to lower. I thought they would work like Classics Optimus but they don't. Whats the trick to getting this to work?{{unsigned|68.45.124.176}}

==Mouthplate==

Is it worth to note that he's only shown(as far as i know) without his mouthplate ONLY in the movie?--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 21:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
: There's a Robot Heroes figure without the mouthplate. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
::And he's in a Burger King commercial without the mouthplate, too.[[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 13:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

==dashes==

For eff's sake, I'm not TRYING to change the dashes - I don't care what they look like, I don't care which kind you use, I don't care if every page on the wiki uses tildes and umlauts instead of real punctuation. it '''happens automatically on these "this page may be too big" pages,''' which seems to be the point Interrobang missed. Once again: It's not intentional; it just happens. I don't know why, so I can't fix it. But by that same token, would you quit just plain old reverting the edit? The other stuff is minor, but it's not irrelevant - at least, not as irrelevant as it could be. It's on-topic with the subjects it's in. So by all means, please, fix th dashes that I've screwed up - but stop reverting the other bits. Please? Yeesh![[User:71.207.12.70|71.207.12.70]] 07:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
:You seem to be ignoring the fact that I consider your actual additions minor and unnecessary. Regardless, "it happens automatically on these "this page may be too big" pages" makes very little sense, considering that it isn't consistent on whether it replaces the em dashes with "hyphen-hyphen-space" or "space-hyphen-space". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 09:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
::Hey, beats me—I'm no Firefox programmer. But just because you consider my additions unnecessary, it doesn't mean they actually are. Yeah, they're minor—I said as much. But unnecessary? Your opinion. Which you're only acting upon, I'd wager, because you're in a snit about the dashes. Am I wrong?[[User:71.207.12.70|71.207.12.70]] 05:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

== Premium Prime Eyes ==

Will they glow blue instead of yellow like the original Leader toy? If they do, it needs to be mentioned. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 13:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:the box shows blue, but it is still yellow unfortunately--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:07, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Red is Hard To Film? ==
In the 1970's TV show "Emergency!" featured many red fire trucks and the crew did not special measures to film them. Therefore, red is not a hard color to film.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency! [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 01:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:I'm sure this isn't the only example of red vehicles ever being filmed. But Emergency!, being a TV show, was probably filmed on video, and not on... you know, film. I don't know whether red vehicles being hard to film is some weird general thing I'd never heard of before this movie, or whether it has something to do with the special effects, but I'll take the professionals' word for it.
::When I heard that in the commentary, I asked somebody who films stuff, and they said it's hard to get it to look consistantly the same color. He also said lighting can make it look very orange at times. --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 04:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:::In my meager experience with Shake and film editing, I know red can be a bitch to color correct.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
It seems I have been misinformed. Thank you all for the clarification. [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 17:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Why were my edits removed? ==

Peter Cullen did say that.
I was just trying to make the images work better. [[User:208.190.203.162|208.190.203.162]] 23:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

== Shall I include to this page? y/n ==
Someone got arrested at an airport for wearing a TF2007 Optimus Prime T-shirt? [[http://gizmodo.com/394544/optimus-prime-t+shirt-transforms-into-arrest-threat-at-airport source]] [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 21:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

A Fistful of Energon

2008-05-25T02:54:52Z

Liberal Noob:

{{cleanup}}

{{SemiprotectSpoilers}}
[[image:samprowl.jpg|right|thumb|250px|'kay, let's ignore the fact that Samurai and Ninja are polar opposites, and bask in the awesomeness that is Samurai Prowl.]]

{{episodenav|animated|23|season=2|prev=Rise of the Constructicons|next=S.U.V. - Society of Ultimate Villainy}}

'''Prowl goes off on his own to capture the fugitive Starscream, but finds some competition in the form of a Decepticon bounty hunter. '''

==Summary==
[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-Starscreamexcaping.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Off I go, into the wild blue yonder!]]
As the Elite Guard's ship proceeds on its journey, an explosion rocks the hull, and out flies Starscream, declaring vengeance against Megatron once again.

On Dinobot Island, Prowl and Bulkhead are on the lookout for their feral friends in response to reports of some rampaging going on. Prowl has been sent along with Ratchet's EMP generator and some stasis cuffs, but doubts he will need them since the Dinobots are such gentle spirits when left alone and he has always been able to reason with them. Grimlock soon contradicts Prowl's perspective by charging into the clearing like an angry rhino. Prowl is still determined to take it easy on the big guy until Grimlock's jaws get dangerously close to a nest filled with adorable little baby birdies. Using an EMP blast, Prowl quickly incapacitates Grimlock.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-ProwlEMPGenerator.jpg|right|thumb|125px| We can use my wrist thingy to track Bender's [[Personality component|brain]].]]

Prowl and Bulkhead are both surprised that it came to that, but Prowl rationalizes that he did what he had to do to save the little birds. At this point, he notices a thorn stuck in Grimlock's paw as the likely source of the Dinobot's extra aggression. With some advice from Ratchet over the comm, Prowl uses controlled bursts from the EMP to stabilize the affected area, and Bulkhead yanks out the spike. Grimlock sighs in relief, and everything is all better.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-Grimlockfootshard.jpg|left|thumb|150px| So painful, resting in between my toes harmlessly!]]

Before they can head home, however, Ultra Magnus contacts the Autobot base with a message that Starscream has escaped and was last seen headed back to Earth. They would have sent that message sooner, but it seems [[Mission Accomplished|their tachyon transmitter has gone missing]]. Megatron, who has been intercepting the message, takes a look at his own tachyon transmitter and sarcastically wonders where the Autobots' could have gone. He then wastes no time putting out a bounty on the escaped Decepticon traitor.

Back on the island, Prowl is feeling pretty tough after taking down the big, bad Grimlock all by himself and is already contemplating a similar hunt for Starscream. At the very least, while they're in the neighborhood, he and Bulkhead use Teletran 1's sensitive scanners to locate Starscream's AllSpark fragment...on the Moon. Prowl believes they have everything they need to go after him right away, but Bulkhead reminds him that Starscream is a little out of their league if it's just the two of them. Prowl agrees, but as soon as Bulkhead is off the ship and his back is turned, Prowl takes off in a shuttle by himself and heads for the Moon.

Prowl tracks the AllSpark fragment to the remains of the Decepticon warship. Optimus and Ratchet try to warn him how crazy his plan is and order him to return, but Prowl disregards them with some unconvincing fake static and heads inside the ship. He believes the mission of apprehending Starscream is best suited to a single bot built for stealth. Then, as he's sneaking around, his target finds him first. Way to use that stealth.

Before Starscream can fire his null ray, a well-placed shuriken disables it. The fight begins, and thanks to the EMP, Prowl manages to hold his own. Starscream eventually gets in a direct hit, but on a hologram. The real Prowl gets into position, and an EMP blast knocks out the Decepticon. As soon as the fugitive is stasis-cuffed, a newcomer walks up and offers to take the bounty off his hands. It's Lockdown...wearing a poncho? He and Prowl start to fight over the prize while Starscream comes to and heckles them from the sidelines. Neither combatant appreciates Starscream's comments, and both yell at him to shut up. He does, but as he's silent for about two seconds, they look back to notice it's because he escaped. Outside, Starscream (who is strangely orange-coloured) blasts Prowl's shuttle and flies off toward Earth. Lockdown decloaks his own ship and takes pursuit, with Prowl hitching a ride on the hull.

Lockdown is finding it difficult to locate Starscream's Decepticon signal when Prowl ambushes him, deflecting a counter-attack with a shield mod borrowed from Lockdown's own display case. Once they're at a standstill, Prowl points out that he knows how to track Starscream's AllSpark fragment, but he'll need Lockdown's sensors to do it. Thus a partnership is created, and Lockdown offers his new friend a few more upgrades to make sure they get the job done right.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-Lockdownwithhelmet.jpg|right|thumb|125px|I can't believe they ran out of voice-changer helmets!]]

Lockdown's ship touches down in Detroit and disguises itself as a building again. Lockdown and Prowl transform and roll out, with Prowl enjoying the feel of his new samurai armor/sidecar. They track the signal to a highway where Starscream is cowering beneath a bridge. When they confront him, they notice he's acting considerably more cowardly than usual, and is painted considerably more purple. Prowl shows off his upgrades, flying circles around the fleeing Decepticon and eventually taking him down with an EMP blast. Lockdown is impressed. With the bounty secured, he contacts Megatron and sets up a meeting at an abandoned warehouse. Prowl is shocked to learn the two-faced bounty hunter he'd partnered with had been working for someone evil and attempts to cross him. However, Lockdown ''double''-crosses Prowl, tying him up with a bola, and drives off with his bounty in tow.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-StarscreamPurpleclone.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Has the Allspark Power line ended yet? Is it safe for redecos to come out now?]]

The other Autobots show up to untie their errant companion and chew him out, but Prowl is more interested in continuing pursuit of Starscream. The rest of the team follow, but point out that Prowl is starting to sound too much like Lockdown, as the mods are going to his head.

They almost catch up with Lockdown and the purple Starscream when they're stopped on the road by the arrival of ''another'' Starscream. This one sports an orange color scheme and a sneaky, manipulative personality. He attempts to negotiate a pact with the Autobots to work together and destroy Megatron, but Prowl turns down the offer and attacks. Using his new arsenal, he leads, disarms, and disables the orange Screamer. It's a cool but messy victory. Ratchet scolds Prowl for not just taking him out with a single EMP blast. Prowl attests that his way was more fun, but Ratchet points out all the collateral damage he caused, including a knocked down bird's nest with its eggs broken all over the sidewalk. Prowl feels awful upon realizing what he has done, but puts it aside. Chasing Lockdown is still more important.

The Autobots crash the Decepticons' warehouse meeting, and a Cybertronian standoff occurs. Then, when Megatron notices there are two Starscreams, he demands an explanation. The clones open their cockpits to reveal a pair of ticking time bombs. The real Starscream's voice announces that it was all part of his plan to take his enemies all out at once. Megatron isn't about to sit around and be blown up, though, so he shoots the skylight and calls for the Decepticons to transform and rise up. The bad guys escape, but the good guys can't let the bombs just explode or the blast would take out half the city. Prowl gets an idea and uses his mods to weld the Starscreams together and jam their jets on so they rocket straight up into the atmosphere. The explosion doesn't harm the city (besides setting off a lot of car alarms) but does do a number on the fleeing Decepticons.

While Lockdown is escaping from the planet again, he contacts Prowl and offers a permanent partnership, since they're so much alike. Prowl turns down the offer, claiming it was fun while it lasted, but the super-charged bounty hunter life just wasn't his style. With all his upgrades shorted out or gone, Prowl detaches the one mod that got out without a scratch, Ratchet's EMP generator, and returns it to its rightful owner.
[[image:Lotta_starscreams.jpg|right|thumb|Sure, [[army-building]] is good, but this is ''ridiculous!'']]
Later, Starscream sits within his new base aboard the wreckage of the Decepticon warship and watches an announcement from Megatron stating that the bounty on the fugitive has been increased, but whoever captures him had better make sure it's the real deal. Starscream himself is furious that his trap failed, but it doesn't matter, as he has plenty more decoys where that came from...

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Andrew Robinson]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Irineo Maramba]], [[Matt Youngberg]], & [[Makoto Fuchigami]]
*'''Original airdate:'''
*'''Animation company:''' [[The Answer Studio]]

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
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! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s

! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s

! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
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*[[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] (1)
*[[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] (2)
*[[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] (3)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (5)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (6)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (7)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (8)
*[[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] (9)
*[[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] (10)
*[[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] (11)

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*[[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] (4)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (12)
*[[Lugnut]] (13)
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Icy Blitzwing]] (14)<ref>Yes, it's true. Blitzwing went the entire episode without switching personalities.</ref>
*[[Lockdown]] (15)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |

|}

==Quotes==
''[Ratchet and Prime are communicating with Prowl over the radio]'' 
'''Ratchet''': "Prowl, any sign of the Dinobots?" 
'''Prowl''': "Negative, Ratchet. I'm starting to think those reports of rampages were nothing but exaggerations". 
'''Optimus''': "We're not taking any chance, Prowl. That's why I had Ratchet lend you his EMP generator and those stasis cuffs". 
'''Prowl''': "Still, I hardly think they're necessary. The Dinobots are territorial, but if they're left alone, they're perfectly happy". 
''[Grimlock roars, then runs out of the forest, charging the Autobots]'' 
'''Bulkhead''': "He doesn't look too happy to me!" 
:{{m-}}The Autobots are Dinobot hunting...and things are not going well.

"I'm afraid Sari and Bumblebee left on an important fact-finding mission this morning. To someplace called... 'Five Banners Roller Coaster Kingdom'."
:{{m-}}'''Optimus Prime''' gets duped.

"Personally, I've always found Bumblebee's fake static to be a lot more convincing."
:{{m-}}'''Ratchet''' doesn't get duped.

'''Starscream''': You call this a fight? I'll rust before someone wins! And I'm in the vacuum. 
'''Prowl''' and '''Lockdown''': Will you keep quiet?!
:{{m-}}Prowl and Lockdown tell Starscream where to stick it.

"No! No, please! Leave me alone!" 
"Maybe it's me, but that doesn't sound like the Starscream I know..."
:{{m-}}His reaction to '''Starscream-Purple's''' plea for mercy leaves one wondering if '''Lockdown''' has ever met the real Screamer...

'''Starscream-Red''': "Well, if it isn't my favorite band of plucky little Autobots." 
'''Optimus''': "Autobots, prepare for battle!" 
'''Starscream-Red''': "Wait, you misunderstand. Noble Optimus Prime, wise Ratchet, stealthy Prowl and ''mighty''...eh..." 
'''Bulkhead''': "Bulkhead!" 
'''Starscream-Red''': "Ooh, that's too bad."
:{{m-}} "Starscream" gives his sympathy

"Did you really think I would offer so little a challenge? I allowed you to capture these ''clones'' to fulfill my plan to eliminate you all! Especially you, MegaFOOL! Mwa-hah-ha-ha-ha! In mere moments you will be blown to bits, and I will become the Supreme Leader of ALL DECEPTICONS!"
:{{m-}} Speaking through his clones, the real '''Starscream's''' speech-making tendencies are undimmed, even if he now prefers to do it from a safe distance.

==Other notes==
* This episode was first aired in Dubai.

* Starscream's fate at the end of "[[Mission Accomplished]]" was a little on the ambiguous side, but now we know just what happened to him at the end of it.

===Animation errors===
* The large spike stuck in Grimlock's foot is nowhere to be seen in the full-body shots previous to Prowl discovering it.

===Continuity errors===

===Transformers references===
* The Starscream clones are, of course, a reference to the [[Seeker]]s, with one seemingly mimicking the colour scheme of [[Starscream (G1)|G1 Starscream]](albeit slightly more orangey), while the other is more along the lines of [[Skywarp (Armada)|''Armada'' Skywarp]].

===Real-world references===
*This episode contains numerous references to [[Wikipedia:Fistful of Dollars|''A Fistful of Dollars'']], including the title, Lockdown wearing a poncho in his first appearance, and the Mexican standoff scene in the warehouse.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-Lockdowninponcho.jpg|right|thumb|100px| Space banditos? Never heard of them.]]

*Grimlock's foot problem recalls "The Lion and the Mouse", an Aesop's fable about a mouse who befriends a lion by pulling a thorn out of his paw. Or the tale of the Christian Saint Jerome, whose life was saved by the lion he'd helped when he later encountered it in a Roman circus. Or the story of Androcles and the Lion...it's been done a lot.

*Five Banners Roller Coaster Kingdom is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Six Flags|Six Flags]] chain of amusement parks.

===Miscellaneous trivia===
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Sari Sumdac|Sari]] are absent from this episode, with Optimus saying that they're on an "important fact-finding mission" (actually, an amusement park).

*[[Lugnut|Lugnut]] and [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]], on the other hand, appear but say nothing, as do [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] and even [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]]. Result!

* The clones seem to embody elements of Starscream's personality, the purple Starscream representing Starscream's cowardice and the (not surprisingly) Generation-1-styled Starscream representing Starscream's manipulative and deceitful nature.

* Prowl decides that modifications are bad. This goes against [[retool|everything Hasbro wants us to believe]].

*So Prowl finds a sidecar in Lockdown's ship that's in his color scheme and is capable of becoming samurai-esque armour, and wears it for the majority of the episode. [[To sell toys|Wonder why that is]].

* The thorn supposedly jammed through Grimlock's foot looks like it's merely stuck betwixt his toes.

*So...where did Starscream get the clones from? Ultra Magnus' comment suggests Starscream's escape actually happened some time ago (Depending on how long a deca-cycle is in Animated).

* And how ''did'' he get the stasis cuffs off? (Elite Guard cuffs don't seem to be worth much; they [[Mission Accomplished|couldn't hold Sentinel Prime]] either.)

*While Ratchet seems to be the moral compass of this episode, the day is only saved by Prowl's use of his upgrades.

*Apparently Starscream put a few extra zeros in when programming the timer on the clones, his plot might have worked if he hadn't given Megatron three minutes to run away.

==References==
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Astrotrain (G1)

2008-05-05T02:17:29Z

Liberal Noob: /* Trivia */

{{disambig3|Astrotrain}}

:''Astrotrain is a [[Decepticon]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Astrotraing1.jpg|thumb|right|300px|The original Choo Choo Rocket!]]

'''Astrotrain''' loves to sow confusion. To this end, his [[Triple Changer]] abilities serve him well. Nothing pleases him more than confronting an Autobot in a dark corner and making him wonder if he's up against one Decepticon or two. He craves having this power over others. Single-minded, you may say, but when most of your time is spent transporting troops around, you have to take your jollies where you can. He wants more from life, but it's either fly the other Decepticons around, or get scrapped by them.

He also craves having power over a massive [[Astroforce|army of train drones]]. Follow your dreams, Astrotrain. Follow your dreams.
{{quote|It's always the same thing. I fly them to points unknown, exhaust all my fuel, and they get to have all the fun.|Astrotrain on his eternal role as the Decepticons' ride|"[[The Gambler]]"}}

:''Italian name:'' '''Triplex Uno'''
:''Hungarian name:'' '''Űrvonat''' ("Space Train")


==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Jack Angel]] (US), [[Takurō Kitagawa]] (Japan)

[[Image:AstrotrainTakeover.jpg|thumb|left|200px|It doesn't matter if you're grey or white... if you're a boy or a girl...]]

Astrotrain arrived on [[Earth]] during the second year of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s campaign to conquer the planet and its energy resources. His activities prior to that point remain unclear.

He once transported Megatron to the [[Moon]] where he and the Decepticons' leader attempted to jam Earth's radio waves. The attempt was interrupted by the arrival of [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], [[Spike Witwicky|two]] [[Carly|humans]] and [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. Astrotrain engaged in a bad pun, accused Omega Supreme of being too outdated to catch him, and then was the victim of a Cybertronian's impression of a sandworm (see image) before being thrown a few planetary diameters. {{Storylink|Blaster Blues}}

[[Image:Omegasupreme astrotrain.jpg|thumb|right|I've got a bad feeling about this...]]

Typically one of the more easy-going among the Decepticons, even Astrotrain isn't above letting a little power go to his head. While tracking [[Cosmos]], he shot down the Autobot, who had been on a fuel scouting mission, and managed to trick the people of [[Titan]] into believing that he was one of their Sky Gods, so that they would mine energy crystals for him and the Decepticons. Astrotrain used [[Jero]], a corrupt High Priest who was as fanatical as he was ruthless, to further his ends. However, the Autobots [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] arrived aboard Omega Supreme looking for Cosmos. Omega Supreme was virtually out of fuel after the trip, but the Autobots soon managed to refuel him using the energy crystals. Knowing that he, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] alone couldn't beat Omega Supreme, Astrotrain destroyed the crystals in a fit of pique before flying off, leaving Jero to die like the worm he was. Harsh, Astrotrain, harsh. {{storylink|The God Gambit}}

Astrotrain later transported [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] and [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] to the planet [[Monacus]] to check up on Decepticon sympathizer [[Lord Gyconi]]. When they learned that Gyconi had captured a number of Autobots and brainwashed them into mindless slaves, the Decepticons tried to stow them aboard Astrotrain to take them back to Megatron. However, their plan was stopped by [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]], [[Devcon]] and [[Slizardo]], and the latter two followed Astrotrain into space as he escaped with his comrades. {{storylink|The Gambler}}

However, the incident on Titan had given Astrotrain a taste of power, and he decided he liked it. With the help of [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]], Astrotrain froze [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] in a sewer system in order to take over the Decepticons. He then created an army of trains to help him rule, thinking it was a good idea. Although he managed to amass a surprisingly large amount of [[Energon cube]]s, the productive day ended with him flooding the entire city after bursting a water main. Worse, Megatron thawed out. The embarrassment of these incidents forced Astrotrain to creep back into the Decepticon ranks quietly... at [[fusion cannon]] point. {{Storylink|Triple Takeover}}

Astrotrain transported Megatron, Starscream and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] to the lost Autobot colony of [[Antilla]], where they discovered the entire civilization had been wiped out by the deadly [[Cosmic Rust]]. Not heeding a holographic warning from the Autobots, Megatron ventured further into the colony and seized an advanced heat ray weapon from its storage chamber. As they left Antilla, a [[Cosmic Rust]] spore-filled asteroid appeared to chase after Astrotrain, prompting Megatron to test out of the power of the 'lightning bug' weapon on the space rock. The blast obliterated the asteroid, but the shrapnel from the explosion pierced Astrotrain's hull and punctured Megatron's chest plate, infecting him with Cosmic Rust. Oddly enough, Astrotrain was never infected. {{Storylink|Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust}}

He also transported the Decepticons away after getting their aft-sections [[Battle of Autobot City|handed to them]] at [[Autobot City]]. He couldn't make it back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] with the amount of weight on board, so they tossed [[Megatron (G1)|some]] [[Insecticon (G1)|dead]] [[Thundercracker (G1)|weight]] overboard. After that, Astrotrain served as the ring for the subsequent fight among the Decepticons to replaced the ejected Megatron, where the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] formed [[Devastator]] inside him (slag, Astrotrain is big!) and Rumble and [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] used their piledrivers (slag, Astrotrain is sturdy!) Apparently, they all made it back fine, and Astrotrain was the one to crown Starscream during his coronation as the new Decepticon leader. {{Storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

When the Decepticons lost their hold of Cybertron, Astrotrain went with the rest of them to [[Chaar]], where he was seen trying to deliver Energon cubes to the starving army. When he tried to take a cube for himself while the Constructicons were fighting amongst themselves for the energy, they merged into Devastator and kicked him aside. Devastator was then distracted by [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], and Astrotrain made another move for the cube, only to be shot by [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]]. Such is life. When Cyclonus insulted the Decepticons for their behavior, Astrotrain somewhat notably mentioned that he knew Galvatron and Megatron "were the same guy". Cyclonus later stated that he needed energon as it was needed to revive Galvatron, and Astrotrain gave him the rest of his supplies. He got an inspirational speech in return. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1|FFOD, Part 1}}

Astrotrain then helped Galvatron and the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] with the plan to destroy Cybertron with a [[death crystal]] cannon. {{storylink|Chaos (episode)|Chaos}} Later on, when [[Scourge (G1)|intruders]] found their way inside [[Trypticon]], Astrotrain responded to the alarm but ended up being possessed by Starscream's [[spark|ghost]] because of his useful cargo space. Starscream flew his body most of the way to [[Unicron]]'s head, then left it when he closed in on Cybertron, leaving Astrotrain to be shot down by the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]]. Astrotrain was then captured and interrogated by the Autobots, but was as confused as they were. He was later released as a way of thanking Scourge for revealing Unicron's plans to them. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine}}

Later, Astrotrain stumbled upon [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] in space and battled him until the two were suddenly interrupted by a laser barrage from the nearby [[Junkion (planet)|Planet of Junk]] and retreated. Astrotrain returned to Chaar to report this to Galvatron, who punched him in the face, insulted him and stated that he didn't care. {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006}}

Astrotrain is later seen participating in a Decepticon attack on Japan, trying to ram a bullet train head-on, before being driven off by the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]]. {{storylink|The Burden Hardest to Bear}}

====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform: The Transformers'' manga====

Astrotrain photographed the incomplete [[Autobot City]], with the aid of [[Reflector]]'s camera mode, so that Megatron could decipher whether or not it was powerful enough to stand up to [[Trypticon]].

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====

{{noteukonly}}

''Astrotrain was one of Lord [[Straxus]]' warriors on Cybertron, operating out of [[Darkmount]] in [[Polyhex]]. At Megatron's demand, he called a group of Decepticons back from a planned assassination attempt on Emirate [[Xaaron]] and the Autobot leaders, leaving all the Decepticons unaware that it was actually a ploy by the Autobots to wipe them out. {{Storylink|Target 2006}}''

[[Image:Ratbatcratercritters.jpg|left|thumb|175px|"Thus, my new fuel economy plan will increase fuel efficiency. Any other questions, Astrotrain?" "Yeah. What the hell did you just say, Ratbat?"]]

Astrotrain and his fellow Triple Changers were commissioned by [[Ratbat]] to investigate the loss of his [[Wash and Roll|priceless cargo]] that had arrived on Earth via a low-cost freighter, but hadn't checked in as scheduled. Upon making contact with the crashed ship, Astrotrain and his companions were infected with [[Scraplet]]s, and began to slowly waste away. Lucky for them, the Autobot [[Blaster]] was also infected, and his friends managed to re-discover the [[water|strange and wondrous chemical]] that acted as a cure. In saving Blaster, the Triple Changers were incidentally saved as well. Astrotrain showed quick-thinking when he identified a nearby [[G.B. Blackrock]] as a useful asset and hypnotically gained control of him, thus ensuring the viability of [[Buster Witwicky and the Car Wash of Doom|Ratbat's greatest plan]]. {{Storylink|The Cure!}}

The Triple Changers then linked up with Shockwave's Decepticons on Earth, which soon fell under the command of their former superior on Cybertron, Ratbat. Astrotrain joined the Decepticons in an assault on the Autobot crews of the [[Ark]] and [[Steelhaven]] on Earth's moon. {{storylink|Totaled!}} Sometime later, he fought against his fellow Decepticons when Ratbat and [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s armies temporarily came to blows. Astrotrain was seen rolling over [[Snapdragon]] and [[Weirdwolf]] in the melee. {{storylink|Cold War!}} Once the Decepticons united against a nearby Autobot regiment, Astrotrain again saw action when he ionically-disrupted the [[Aerialbot]], [[Slingshot]]. Soon after, though, the Triple Changers were all destroyed battling Starscream in Buenos Aires, Argentina, after Screamer got himself hopped-up on [[Underbase]] power. {{Storylink|Dark Star!}}

In an alternate version of 2009, Unicron had destroyed Cybertron and the Decepticons (under [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]]'s command) controlled America. Astrotrain and Octane were seen defending the [[Decepticon Powerbase]] from one last, desperate Autobot assault. They shot down the [[Pretender]], [[Crossblades]], when he was disrupting the base's force field. {{storylink|Rhythms of Darkness!}}

=====Marvel UK future timelines=====

''When [[Autobot City]] was completed in 2004, Astrotrain was one of several Decepticons brought by Shockwave to attack the opening day festivities. {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!}}''

''In 2008, the Decepticons were tipped by the [[Quintesson]]s to an opportunity for wiping the Autobots off the face of Cybertron. Astrotrain acted as point-man for the invasion, not only leading the air force of flying [[Combaticon]]s, Triple Changers and [[Seeker]]s, but also acting as transport for [[Soundwave (G1)|Commander Soundwave]] and the legion of ground troopers in his cargo hold. Things turned sour when the Quintessons ambushed the Decepticons on their way to [[Autobase]], though: Astrotrain was forced to dump the soldiers in his hold and quickly transform in order to greet their adversaries. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}''

=====Earthforce=====
{{earthforcefiction}}

''He happily worked for Shockwave's faction in the [[Decepticon Civil War]], along with his fellow Triple Changers. Astrotrain took the time to slug it out with [[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] after the [[Enclave]] between Shockwave and Megatron went sour. {{storylink|The Bad Guy's Ball!}} Thanks to an inside informant, Astrotrain and the other Triple Changers joined Shockwave in surprising Megatron at an energon shipment rendez-vous point, overpowering him with blaster fire until the Decepticon leader fell off the side of a cliff. {{storylink|Secrets}} Those were happy times for Astrotrain. He was not so happy when he had to rescue [[Octane]] from a military testing range, and when he found out Octane had got here by messing around on the job again, Astrotrain happily buggered off and left him. {{storylink|Manoeuvres!}}''

====Generation 2====

Astrotrain shows up among a crowd of Decepticons all fired up to tackle the armies of [[Jhiaxus]], just before they pretty much got slaughtered. {{storylink|New Dawn}}

====Classics====
{{coming soon|fanclub}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Astrotrain_warwithin.jpg|thumb|100px|right|Finally, I get to fight instead of carry people.]]

When Megatron needed a major distraction to infiltrate the subsectors of Iacon and establish Cybertron as a living war world, he sent Shockwave to command a full frontal assault against the Autobot capital. Astrotrain was among the many Decepticons who aided Shockwave in this siege. {{Storylink|The War Within}} Later on, after Megatron's disappearance led to a factioning of the Decepticon army, Astrotrain began serving with Starscream's [[Predacon (War Within)|Predacon]]s. {{Storylink|The War Within: The Dark Ages}} The Predacons remained the only major hold out among the factions when [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] negotiated a great peace between the Autobots and Decepticons due to low energon reserves planet-wide. Astrotrain and the Predacons attempted to prevent the peace treaty and the consolidation of their opponents, but their efforts were in vain until the surprise return of Megatron with his new [[Aerospace Extermination Squad]], thousands of super-charged warriors grown from [[Quintesson]] cloning technology. The Decepticons managed to establish an Age of Internment until [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] finally returned to free the Autobots and equalize the sides once more. {{Storylink|The War Within: The Age of Wrath}}

After the disappearance of the [[Nemesis]] and its crew, Astrotrain and his fellow future Triple Changers, Octane and Blitzwing, began serving directly under Shockwave's command. {{Storylink|Destined for Nothing}} When Shockwave learned how to perfect his Triple Changer process after the [[Great Shutdown]], due to [[Unicron]]ian technology he pilfered from [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], Astrotrain was one of the first to benefit from the procedure.

In 2003, Astrotrain, along with [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]], Blitzwing, [[Sandstorm (Autobot)|Sandstorm]] and Octane arrived with Shockwave on [[Earth]] to place the Earth-bound Transformers under arrest for war crimes and take them back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. When Shockwave was eventually defeated and his control of Cybertron lost, Astrotrain and Blitzwing remained his loyal servants until the return of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] caused Astrotrain to switch loyalties while Blitzwing was destroyed. {{Storylink|Lost and Found}}

===IDW comics continuity===
{{ongoing}}
Astrotrain was part of a Decepticon insurgent cell that had operated covertly on Earth for at least four years, working to destabilize Earth's governing organizations and create global anarchy. Under the command of Starscream, he oversaw the extraction and refinement of the mysterious, Energon-like substance, [[Ore-13]], {{Storylink|Infiltration issue 5}} but despite having sampled its power, he was unwilling to stand alongside Starscream against Megatron. {{Storylink|Infiltration issue 6}}

Later on, he took Starscream's place as the Earthbound Decepticon Infiltration Unit's second-in-command under Megatron, and continued to oversee the Ore-13 research. {{Storylink|Escalation issue 1}} During Megatron's scheme to escalate the tensions between [[Brasnya]] and [[Russia]], Astrotrain served as air cover for their ground forces, but was severely damaged by [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] {{Storylink|Escalation issue 4}} and later retreated.

The wire in his forehead nearly exploded when Megatron ordered [[Sixshot]] to come to Earth several phases before his presence is normally requested, but Megatron told him to shut up. {{storylink|Escalation issue 6}} Witnessing his leader straying further from protocol every nano-klik but knowing none of them would dare tell Megatron he was wrong, Astrotrain decided to do the unthinkable, something no sane Transformer would ever do except as a very last resort: deliberately reactivate Starscream so he could do it ''for'' them. {{Storylink|Devastation issue 1}}

When the alien [[Reapers]] suddenly attacked their headquarters, Astrotrain left his post (forcing Blitzwing to cover for him) to plot how to exploit the situation with Starscream (though he was openly concerned if the plan failed they'd be dead). The plan worked: Starscream successfully removed Sixshot from the board and attacked the Reapers, at which point Astrotrain popped up in the command bunker to go "look at how brave Starscream is bravely attacking the Reapers by himself!". Megatron deduced what was going on behind his back, but instead of punishment, led the Decepticons into battle. {{Storylink|Devastation issue 5}} After the destruction of the Reapers, Astrotrain expressed surprise at their victory and callously declared that the deaths of [[Runabout]] and [[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]] were acceptable losses. {{Storylink|Devastation issue 6}}

===IDW ''[[Hearts of Steel]]'' continuity===
[[Image:Astrotrain HOS.jpg|thumb|left|100px|That's '''''Mister''''' The Astrotrain.]]

Referred to as ''the'' Astrotrain, the Decepticons built (or modified) Astrotrain to be the locomotive engine pulling their battle train to New York City. {{Storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 3}} Astrotrain never speaks or transforms out of train mode during the story, but the cover of issue 4 appears to depict him in robot mode, and he clearly has some airplane components, so he is apparently a triple-changing Transformer in this continuity as in most. He is tough enough to ram through an Army blockade undamaged, but ends up driving off a cliff, and apparently falling to his destruction, despite having wings. {{Storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 4}} His train mode is a black-and-purple locomotive, with a retracted propeller on the front, and batwings along the side.

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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
* '''Astrotrain''' (1985, 1986, 2004, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''D-48''', '''TFC-11'''
**''Accessories'': "Ionic Displacer Rifle"

[[Image:G1Astrotrain_toy.jpg|thumb|right|And then I transform into a train and a rocket and a Transformer again...]]

: Astrotrain was one of the two Triple Changer toys released in 1985. He transforms into both a purple steam locomotive and a gray space shuttle. Like [[Perceptor (G1)|several]] [[Thrust (G1)|other]] [[Bluestreak|characters]] from ''Generation 1'', the pre-production toy shown in [[Hasbro]] catalogs and stock photography does not match the final product.

: In Japan, the 1985 release of Astrotrain had a color scheme based upon the real-life versions of the vehicles he transformed into, with a white space shuttle and a black steam locomotive. In 1986, Takara released Astrotrain in his US toy colors.

: In 2004, Takara reissued Astrotrain his original Japanese white color scheme, but with the "NASA" stickers changed to "ASTR", and with white paint on the shuttle side of the die-cast front. In 2005, Hasbro released this version of Astrotrain on the Hasbro Toy Shop.

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* '''Astrotrain Proto Color Version''' (2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-48'''
**''Accessories'': "Ionic Displacer Rifle"

: Often referred to as "Anime Astrotrain" by collectors, this version was decorated in colors used on the original 1986 toy's packaging as well as the ''Generation 1'' animation model. He was an [[e-Hobby]] [[exclusive]].

===Classics===
*'''Astrotrain''' (Deluxe, 2006, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-03'''
**''Accessories:'' Rifle

[[Image:ClassicsAstrotrain.jpg|thumb|left|...and a rocket and a train and a Transformer and man it's hard work!]]

: ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' Astrotrain, like much of the ''Classics'' line, is an extensive update of the original Astrotrain designed based heavily upon their cartoon appearances and using modern toy engineering techniques. He still transforms into a NASA space shuttle, though there are two rather obvious locomotive front halves on the sides of the rear hull, and instead of a steam engine, his secondary vehicle mode is a bullet train locomotive. His robot mode is based heavily upon his ''Generation 1'' cartoon animation model design, and is armed with a large purple laser rifle similar to the original toy's rifle. However, purple highlights aside, his deco's color scheme is predominantly based on the original Takara toy.

[[Image:Henkei_Astrotrain_toy.jpg|thumb|right|I'm going grey! Get me some Just For Men, stat!]]

: As with all ''Classics'' toys, he has a heat-sensitive [[rubsign]].

: Classic Astrotrain will be released in Japan as part of the ''[[Classics (2006)#Henkei! Henkei! Transformers|Henkei! Henkei! Transformers]]'' line by [[TakaraTomy]]. The colour scheme is similar to his original color scheme in the ''Generation 1'' cartoon. Unlike the Hasbro ''Classics'' release, instead of a rubsign, he has two Decepticon sigils tampographed onto his wings. All ''Henkei'' toys feature a somewhat randomly [[Vacuum metalizing|vacuum-metallized]] part somewhere upon them, and Astrotrain is no exception, with his entire engine array metallized purple.

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==Trivia==
[[Image:AstrotrainCharacterModel.jpg|thumb|right|200px|That ass be fly, yo.]]
* The 1985 [[catalog]]s show a prototype Astrotrain toy, whose gray and purple color scheme is the one used in the cartoon. The prototype also has a number of design changes from the retail version: arms that extended on a slide joint, different feet, and a different head sculpt that was the basis for his [[character model]]. He was shown with [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]]'s weapons. Being resin hard copies, these prototypes didn't transform.<ref>[http://www.tf-1.com/articles/reissue_frame.php?art=Animeastro Original Astrotrain prototype at TF-1.com]</ref>

* Astrotrain's animation model is rather odd. Despite having the shuttle tailfin rather clearly folded up and slid into place within the torso... it has another mystery tailfin jutting straight out of the back. Huh.

* Speaking of the tailfin, the original box art and instructions<ref>[http://www.botchthecrab.com/archive/teletran.asp?coat=decepticon&year=1985 Botch's Transformers Box Art Archive, 1985 Decepticons page]</ref> depict it as being folded open to make a chestplate shield. The fin gets tucked away early during the transformation to keep it out of the way. However, the original animation model (and thus his other fictional appearances) show it tucked away in robot mode.

* While Astrotrain's original toy had a visor, his ''Classics'' toy, and most of his depictions in fiction, give him two eyes instead.

* Astrotrain, along with Cosmos and Omega Supreme, was one of three space-faring characters added to cartoon in 1985. In addition to the usual voice flanging given to the show's robotic characters, all three had an echoing reverberation applied to their voices, presumably to play up the "outer space" aspect.

*While Astrotrain does not appear in the ''[[Stormbringer]]'' comic series (due in part to him being on Earth at the time), the trade paperback includes a design sketch for a Triple Changer which appears to be intended as Astrotrain's pre-Earth Cybertronian form.

*In the [[IDW continuity|IDW ''Generation 1'' continuity]], Astrotrain's space shuttle is essentially a ''far'' more realistic rendering of a space vehicle, but his third mode has been upgraded to a diesel-electric six-axle locomotive resembling a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GE_U28C General Electric U28C model], along with custom features like red and purple headlights and a all-purple paint-job. It also has a Big F**king Gun mounted on the engine cowling. That's badass.

*Astrotrain believes that [[Fandom|those who worship Transformers]] are fools. {{storylink|The God Gambit}}

*The [http://powerrangers.wikia.com/wiki/Max_Solarzord Max Solarzord] of Power Rangers Lightspeed Rescue was more than likely inspired by the infamous steampowered, high-flying stockboy.
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==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Decepticon/Astrotrain/astrotrain.htm Astrotrain at TFU.info]
*[http://www.tf-1.com/articles/reissue_frame.php?art=Astrotrain Original Hasbro Astrotrain, original Takara Astrotrain and Takara reissue Astrotrain at TF-1.com]
*[http://www.tf-1.com/articles/reissue_frame.php?art=Animeastro e-Hobby Astrotrain and original Astrotrain at TF-1.com]

==Footnotes==
<references />

[[Category: Classics characters]]
[[Category: Decepticons]]
[[Category: E-Hobby]]
[[Category: Generation 1 characters]]
[[Category: Generation 2 characters]]
[[Category: Headmasters characters]]
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Garbage In, Garbage Out

2008-05-05T01:49:00Z

Liberal Noob:

[[Image:Wreck-Gar-Ani.jpg|thumb|right|300px|The [[Wikipedia:Raging Bender|Gender Bender]]!]]

{{episodenav|animated|20|season=2|prev=Mission Accomplished|next=Velocity}}

'''AllSpark energy turns a junk pile into a sentient robot who tries to help the Autobots, but ends up doing more harm than good.'''

==Summary==
{{Spoiler|Garbage In, Garbage Out}}
Garbage is piling up all over [[Detroit]], as the trash-bots are malfunctioning and [[Sumdac Systems]] CEO Porter C. Powell refuses to repair them until the city and he can come to an agreement on payment. In Powell's office, a technician demonstrates a new form of the nanobots that [[Transform and Roll Out|caused big problems a while back]], designed this time to break down garbage into its component molecules, quickly and cheaply solving the garbage problem (while allowing Powell to charge the city a hefty fee).

Elsewhere, the [[Autobot]]s are trying to patch up their still-damaged reputation by helping pile garbage into scows. Ratchet ends up getting into a shouting match with an old man whose car ended up under a garbage mound, resulting in the car being dumped in the river and the two old grouches almost coming to blows. Captain Fanzone arrives to break up the scene and remarks that Ratchet needs to work on his "people skills". Prime agrees and assigns Bumblebee and Sari to try and help out Ratchet while they work more on the garbage problem. Ratchet is not happy with this.

Just before the Autobots depart, though, [[Sari Sumdac's key|Sari's key]] glows, but she quickly disregards this...and misses the emergence of a junk-robot from the scow, brought to life by an [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] shard. The confused machine tries to figure out his identity using the scraps around him, but is unsatisfied with the results. Spying a passing blimp with a sign for the Detroit police department with the slogan "We're Here to Help", the robot happily goes about trying to find some police for some help with his identity.

At the Decepticon base, Lugnut detects a surge in AllSpark energy, and Megatron concludes that another fragment must have turned up. Megatron orders Lugnut to retrieve it, and Lugnut continues his glory-spouting as he leaves. Megatron's optical sensor begins to twitch noticeably.

Stuck in a traffic jam, Ratchet is about to display some serious road rage when Bumblebee puts on his siren and clears a path for them. Heading through, they a find [[Witwicky|a familiar couple]] who are expecting a child, but their car has broken down on the way to the hospital. Ratchet agrees to take them to the hospital, then jets off at high speed, despite Sari's warning to keep the mother calm.

Meanwhile, the new robot is walking through downtown Detroit, nearly causing several accidents. The police, pursuing the Angry Archer, crash into the robot, who subsequently asks them for help. Archer tells the robot to throw them aside so that they can escape, and the robot agrees. When Archer inquires as to his identity, the robot responds that he is "worthless-wreck-walking-pile-of-garbage," (all things he had been called by citizens who nearly slammed into him) so the Archer dubs him Wreck-Gar for short. He tries to explain the that they steal from the rich and give to the poor (themselves), but Wreck-Gar gets the Archer's words confused. Seeing a passing armored car, Archer tells Wreck-Gar that they must "knock it over", so Wreck-Gar proceeds to chase the armored car and do just that.

[[Image:New Spike and Carly.JPG|thumb|left|200px|Oh ''shit'', what are we gonna do now?!]]

Meanwhile, expecting mother Carly asks her husband, Spike, to ask the driver to slow down, only for Spike to learn that there is only a little girl in the car{{m-}}and no driver! Ratchet tells them to keep quiet as he tries to find a hospital, only for the armored car knocked over by Wreck-Gar to land in his way. Jettisoning the humans, Ratchet and Bumblebee try to stop Wreck-Gar, but before they can do anything, the Angry Archer snags and flees with a canister that was in the armored car. Sari points out that Autobots are supposed to catch the bad guys, and Wreck-Gar assumes that he is an Autobot, slaps on an [[Insignia|Autobrand]], and goes after the Archer. Bumblebee and Sari go after him, while Ratchet offers to drive Spike and Carly to the hospital. They say they'll take a cab, leaving Ratchet miffed at their rudeness.

Outrunning the swinging Archer, Wreck-Gar hurls him into the air so he can "catch" him, allowing the Angry Archer to escape, but the canister falls into Wreck-Gar's backpack. As the Autobots and Sari show up, her key starts to glow, and they realize that Wreck-Gar was created by an AllSpark fragment. Ratchet rudely tells Wreck-Gar that he is not an Autobot and is only good for one thing: GARBAGE! Wreck-Gar therefore [[Transformation|transforms]] into his garbage truck vehicle mode and leaves to deliver garbage to the people of Detroit{{m-}}starting by covering Sari and the Autobots in a pile of it.
[[Image:Wreckgarbutton.jpg|thumb|right|100px|High-five!]]
Meanwhile, Lugnut has reached the city, and he confronts Wreck-Gar at the military base he and [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] previously visited. Lugnut demands the AllSpark fragment from the vehicle's driver, but Wreck-Gar transforms, revealing his robotic nature. When Wreck-Gar repeats Ratchet's statement that he's no Autobot, Lugnut concludes that Wreck-Gar is a loyal Decepticon, so Wreck-Gar slaps on a Decepticon symbol.

Back at the crime scene, Ratchet is removing the driver of the armored car when Powell and Fanzone show up. Powell reveals that the car was carrying the garbage-devouring microbots to a demonstration for Mayor Edsel. However, the canister carrying them is gone. Sari is more than willing to let Powell suffer, but Ratchet is concerned about what the microbots might do if infused with AllSpark energy. Tracking Wreck-Gar to the base, Ratchet demands the Microbots, only for Lugnut to transform and activate his bomb punch. Wreck-Gar interprets this as the [[universal greeting]], and gives Lugnut a high five. Sari and the Autobots barely manage to avoid ground zero. As Lugnut transforms to attack, Wreck-Gar takes out the canister, which has cracked, allowing some of the microbots to touch Lugnut. Crying out in pain, Lugnut commands Wreck-Gar to get them off, so Wreck-Gar dissects Lugnut, causing his tail end, still carrying Wreck-Gar, to crash onto a garbage scow. Bumblebee declares their problems over, but Ratchet is worried. If those microbots could eat through Decepticon [[armor-plating]], there's no telling what they'll do to downtown Detroit.

On the river bank, Powell arrives to cancel the presentation with the mayor, only for the group see the microbots eat the garbage on the scow. Powell quickly takes advantage of the situation to start wheeling and dealing. As the scow gets closer, Ratchet jumps from a nearby bridge to stop it. He tries to reason with Wreck-Gar, but everything fails, forcing Ratchet to make the ultimate sacrifice...and apologize. He tells Wreck-Gar he can be whatever he wants, and Wreck-Gar decides to save the city, vacuuming up the microbots. However, the microbots overload Wreck-Gar's backpack, causing him to fall into the river. Ratchet tries to pull him out with his magnets, but only finds junk. As Bumblebee and Sari declare Ratchet a hero, Powell cries foul, saying that Ratchet destroyed his product. Thus there is no deal with the city, and the garbage dispute will continue. Ratchet picks up Powell, the Mayor, and the Mayor's aide, and tells them to make peace or be thrown into the river. Powell and Edsel agree to a small increase to re-service the garbage bots, ending the dispute. Ratchet decides the cheering bystanders are lauding him, leading him to conclude that he does have people skills. Sari and Bumblebee know differently, however.

Meanwhile, at the bottom of the river, Wreck-Gar, buried shoulder-deep in sediment, assures the sea life that he is a hero and is there to help. First, however, he needs a hand. Or a fin. [[Lost and Found (Animated episode)#Quotes|Maybe a pelvis?]]

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Marty Isenberg]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Ben Jones]] & [[Shunji Oga]]
*'''Original airdate:''' May 3, 2008

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (2)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (4)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (5)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (7)
*[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]] (9)
| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Lugnut]] (10)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (11)
| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
*[[Porter C. Powell]] (1)
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (6)
*[[Captain Fanzone]] (8)
*[[Spike (Animated)|Spike]] (12)
*[[Carly (Animated)|Carly]] (13)
*[[Angry Archer]] (14)
*[[Mayor Edsel]] (15)
|}

==Quotes==

"You, quit harassing the Autobot. You, put down the citizen".
:{{m-}}'''Fanzone''' keeps the peace.

"Ahh, I'm picking up a new AllSpark energy signal, my liege..." 
"No doubt another fragment has surfaced. Retrieve it, Lugnut, before the Autobots get their filthy servos on it." 
"Stasis lock itself could not deter me from your grand and glorious plan, oh wise and noble Megatron!" 
''[left optic twitches]'' "Just...go..." 
"Yes, my liege!" 
:{{m-}}'''Lugnut's''' blind worship of his <s>queen</s> commander can get too much even for '''Megatron''' sometimes...

"I don't suppose you can tell me what I am, funny green man?" 
"You are...my partner-in-crime. They call me Angry Archer!" 
"They call me 'worthless-wreck-walking-pile-of-garbage'!" 
"Oh, really? Bit of a mouthful. Perhaps we should just call you 'Wreck-Gar' for short." 
:{{m-}}'''Angry Archer''', Renaissance Man, does some on-the-spot dubbing.

"I am Wreck-Gar!"
:{{m-}}The opening to pretty much everything '''Wreck-Gar''' says from the moment he gets his name.

''[Sari, Spike, and a very pregnant Carly are almost crushed by an axle carelessly discarded by Ratchet]'' 
"Uh, I don't know much about these things, lady, but I think you're s'posed to breathe or somethin'?"
:{{m-}}'''Sari''' the midwife

'''Bumblebee''': ''[at Wreck-Gar]'' "What are you?" ''[To Sari]'' "What is he?" 
'''Sari''': "I don't know, but he's givin' off a ton of AllSpark energy." 
'''Wreck-Gar:''' "I am Wreck-Gar! I give off a ton of AllSpark energy!" 
'''Bumblebee''': "So, what, an AllSpark fragment just brought a junk pile to life and made some new kind of Autobot?!" 
'''Wreck-Gar''': "I am Wreck-Gar! I am some new kind of Autobot?!" 
'''Ratchet''': "Listen up, scrapheap. You're not an Autobot, and you never will be an Autobot. You're only good for one thing: GARBAGE!!" 
'''Wreck-Gar''': "I am Wreck-Gar! I am only good for one thing: GARBAGE!! I must deliver garbage to all!" ''[transforms and rolls out]''
:{{m-}} Ratchet's lack of people skills backfires again.

'''Lugnut''': Human! The AllSpark fragment{{m-}}now! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': No human here. I am Wreck-Gar! I am only good for one thing: ''GARBAGE''! 
'''Lugnut''': Are you an Autobot? 
'''Wreck-Gar''': I am Wreck-Gar! I am not an Autobot and will never be an Autobot! 
'''Lugnut''': Ah! Then you must be a Decepticon! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': I am Wreck-Gar! I...must be a Decepticon! 
''[Wreck-Gar places a Decepticon badge on his chest]'' 
'''Lugnut''': Aah, ALL HAIL MEGATRON! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': All hail Megatron! Uh...w-what's a 'Megatron'? 
:{{m-}} Wreck-Gar makes a new friend.

'''Lugnut''': Those accursed Autobots will pay for their insolence! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': Right! ''[Wreck-Gar pulls a burnt-out cash register]'' Cash, check or charbroil? 
'''Lugnut''': ''[Knocking the register out of Wreck-Gar's hands]'' ATTACK!!! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': Right! What kind of tack would you like? Thumb tack? Carpet tack? Income tack? 
'''Lugnut''': Rhaaah, nevermind. 
:{{m-}} Wreck-Gar can certainly teach Crazy Blitzwing a thing or two about being bonkers.

"You glitch-head!! You're gonna destroy the whole city! You wouldn't dare do something THAT stupid!" 
"I am Wreck-Gar! I ''dare'' to be stupid! I will destroy the whole city!"
:{{m-}} '''Ratchet''' and '''Wreck-Gar'''. Yes, but does he count his chickens before they hatch?

"Fear not, fellow creatures of the deep, I am Wreck-Gar! I am a hero! Um...e-excuse me, c-could someone give me a hand...or-...or a fin...anyone?""
:{{m-}}'''Wreck-Gar''' begins a new life under the sea.

==Other notes==
* This episode was first shown on Friday, April 25th, at [[BotCon 2008]]. The version aired still had the time-code running in the top-left corner.

* This episode is the first to feature Ratchet's full robot-to-vehicle transformation animation sequence.

===Continuity errors===
* When removing trash into a boat, Optimus transforms, and suddenly his trailer evaporates, together with all the trash on it.

* Why don't Sari or Ratchet react to the Key when it starts to glow, indicating the presence of AllSpark energy?

===Transformers references===
[[Image:Beemeatcycle.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Most fanwanky episode ever?]]
* Wreck-Gar interprets Lugnut's incoming rocket punch as an invitation to a high-five, and he happily delivers the [[universal greeting]].

* Wreck-Gar's shifting allegiance and red optics as he faces down Ratchet on the garbage scow appear to be callbacks to the [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|original Wreck-Gar]], who at first appeared to be an enemy to the Autobots in his movie appearance, complete with red optics, and was even marketed as such in television [[commercial]]s.

* The ''Animated'' incarnations of Spike and Carly, who made a cameo in [[Transform and Roll Out!|the pilot episode]], re-appear with speaking lines and even get their names called out. Corey Burton even reprises his post-[[The Transformers: The Movie|Movie]] voice for the adult [[Spike Witwicky]].

* G1 Wreck-Gar's motorcycle alt mode can be spotted amongst the garbage that Wreck-Gar throws at Bumblebee.

===Real-world references===
* Wreck-Gar's "I ''dare'' to be stupid!" is, of course, a reference to one of [["Weird Al" Yankovic]]'s most well-known songs, "Dare to be Stupid", a Devo "style parody" that appeared on the soundtrack to [[The Transformers: The Movie|the original animated movie]] in the scene with the original Wreck-Gar.

* While driving Spike and Carly to the hospital, Ratchet drives past the Wyatt Toys toy store, a reference to Art Director [[Derrick Wyatt]] previously seen in "[[Sound and Fury]]".

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* Even Megatron gets annoyed by Lugnut's constant worshiping. [[Inferno (BW)|Sound familiar]]?

* The mayor still doesn't talk, letting his aide speak for him instead.

* Aside from Wreck-Gar, Weird Al also voiced the Sumdac Systems technician who explains the new version of the nanobots to Porter C. Powell.

* This is the first time we see Lugnut use his mace/axe weapon. It is awesome. It gets eaten by microbots.

* Given that Carly is about to give birth when she seemed to have a wafer-thin profile in [[Transform and Roll Out!|the pilot]], the Autobots seem to have spent at least six months or so in Detroit.

*This episode sees the return of the human newscaster.

*Bulkhead appears, but has no lines.

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Shockwave (Animated)

2008-05-02T20:55:00Z

Liberal Noob: /* Trivia */

{{disambig3|Shockwave}}
:''Shockwave is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''
{{mainpic}}
'''Shockwave''' is gonna rock your world. Or possibly shock it. Perhaps with waves even. Who's to say at this point really?

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor'': [[Corey Burton]] (English)

Shockwave will probably not be Mr. Personality. Or Mr. Nice.

==Trivia==
* Shockwave's body appears to be largely patterned after ''[[Armada]]'' [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]; he transforms into an "H-tank", the front treads end up on his shoulders, and his helmet features large, serrated blades of the kind found on Megatron's ''Armada''-body helmet. However, he retains the [[Shockwave (G1)|classic Shockwave]] window-chest and face that is little more than a single, round optic. {{fact}} It is unknown at this time if one of his hands retracts to reveal a blaster-cannon.

[[Category: Animated characters]]
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Talk:Gorilla Warfare

2008-04-25T02:14:07Z

Liberal Noob:

Anyone notice that Megatron spends this entire episode in Beast Mode? Any reason? Should this be noted in a trivia note or something? Just wondering.--[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 22:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
* Yesss. [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 02:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Gorilla Warfare

2008-04-25T02:12:15Z

Liberal Noob:

'''A virus, courtesy of Scorponok, turns Optimus into an overly aggressive fighting machine.'''
{{picsneeded}}

{{episodenav |BW |season=1 |10 |prev=A Better Mousetrap |next=The Probe}}

==Summary==
While out on a specimen gathering mission, Optimus Primal and Dinobot are ambushed by Scorponok, who manages to implant a Cyber Bee onto Optimus' chest before being driven away. Back at base, it's learned that the Bee contains a viral mine designed by Scorponok to infect Optimus' core systems and humble his personality, making him too cowardly to adequately lead. Because the mine has infected all of Primal's core systems, removing the Bee is impossible without killing the Maximal commander, and doing so would trigger a self-destruct in the Bee that would destroy everything within a given radius, regardless.

However, when the mine is fully activated, it ends up having the opposite effect on Primal, turning him into a crazed berserker. Obviously, Scorponok's 'notorious incompetence' has caused the Predacons' plan to backfire. Still, in his current state, Primal is now a danger to himself and his teammates, and is still at risk of perishing under the system drain of the mine, forcing the Maximals to confine him while they debate over what to do next, knowing that Scorponok would have the antivirus for the mine but unsure of how to acquire it. With what little bit of clarity he has left, Optimus convinces Cheetor that they could use the mine against the Preds, taking advantage of their lack of knowledge of the mine's malfunction to launch a surprise assault to force the Preds into relinquishing the antivirus, but when brought to the rest of the crew, his plan is shot down as being far too risky and dangerous to attempt, prompting Optimus to strike out on his own.

Their options running short, Dinobot ironically suggests they 'think like the old Optimus' and suggests negotiating with the Predacons for the cure, but their attempt only serves to give the Predacons advanced warning of Optimus' new state and his oncoming assault. Now with the Preds on full alert and with no other course of action to take, the Maximals begrudgingly follow Optimus to the [[Darksyde|Predacon base]] to give him covering fire in his one-ape assault. Meanwhile, Optimus manages to thrash through all of Megatron's crew before confronting Megatron, who teasingly dangles the cure in front of his nose while giving an ultimatum: submit to him and live, or stay defiant and die from the mine. Optimus, inspired by a plant specimen from the mission at the beginning of the episode, chooses a third option, and rips the Bee from his chest, activating its self-destruct while tossing it onto Megatron, who is forced to drop the anti-virus and flee to Scorponok for help. Fortunately for Primal, the cavalry manages to arrive just in time for Cheetor to grab the cure and administrate it to the Maximal leader before his spark gives out, and the Cyber Bee blows. With the crisis averted, the Maximals return to the Axalon to nurse their commander back to health.

==Quotes==
* "WHO WANTS SOME?!"
Optimus just after he breaks out of the Maximal CR Chamber as a scary-aft berserker.

* "...Optimus is heading your way on the red eye express, and he's ready for mainframe combat."
Cheetor making an in-joke to Megatron of Scorponok's screw up.

* "Yeeesss, From now on, I shoot my dinner salad before I eat it."
Dinobot encounters hostile plant life for the first time.

==Stats==
'''Writers:''' [[Greg Johnson]] 
'''Original Air Date:''' October 14, 1996

'''Major Characters (in order of appearance):''' [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus]], [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]] 
'''Minor Characters (in order of appearance):''' [[Cheetor]]

==Notes==
===Technical/Animation Glitches===
*Glitch

===Continuity Errors===
Despite Rhinox's claims that removing the bee would not only activate a self destruct but seriously damage Optimus' systems early in the episode, by the conclusion Megatron and Scorponok are the only ones to suffer any negative effects as a result.

===Transformers References===
*This episode has the first reference to a [[Spark]] in any Transformer animated continuity.

===Real-World References===
*In the scene where Primal busts into the Pred base, he pulls a Jason Vorhees and sticks Tarantulas to the wall with a pole.

==External Links==
*Link

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Crisis in Jungle City

2008-04-15T01:22:21Z

Liberal Noob: /* Quotes */

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'''A massive attack on Jungle City drives the Autobots to carry out a desperate last-ditch plan.'''
: '''Japanese title:''' "Crisis in Jungle City"

==Summary==
Kicker and Misha stand at the foot of some ancient jungle pyramids, remeniscing about coming there years before together. Suddenly 3 military helicopters fly past, bearing crates. Kicker has a premonition that something big is about to happen. The choppers arrive at an energon tower construction site, where the Autobots are settling in.

Alpha Q is delighted that Starscream's memory has been erased, though it does make him completely useless. Now Alpha Q will need more energon to get rid of Megatron. He observes as his Terrorcons on Earth approach a station.

Megatron questions Starscream. Screamer has no memories, and is under Megatron's direct command. Tidal Wave reports on the Earthen Terrorcons... which is just what Alpha Q wants.

Misha relates the history of the 13th century Mayan pyramids, and their subsequently vanished civilization. Kicker wonders if Megatron did it -- after all, he's old. Misha... hadn't thought of that before. Suddenly a phalanx of Terrorcons arrives; Kicker and Misha report it in to Optimus.

The Autobots also detect a warp gate opening near Jungle City; Prime has the Omnicons secure the mine. Jetfire scouts and confirms Kicker's report. As the Bots prepare to deploy, Misha begs for the ancient pyramids to be protected. Prime promises that they will be. Helicopters ferry Misha, Alexis and others away.

Megatron's fortress-ship emerges from a warp gate; Megatron observes that Alpha Q hasn't yet sent in his heavy artillery. He reasons that the Terrorcons will keep the Autobots busy while his troops grab the energon and destroy Jungle City.

The Autobots power up. The Terrorcon drones reach the energon and start devouring it. Ironhide completes the mine evacuation, but when Inferno worries that everyone didn't get out, Kicker impulsively races back in to check it out.

On the surface, the battle is joined, as Autobots and automated defenses blast the Terrorcons out of the sky. The Decepticons arrive and head for the battle.

Kicker and Ironhide find a Skyblast and Strongarm who are stubbornly refusing to abandon their energon; despite prodding, a pair of Strongarms are caught when the Terrorcons break through.

Ironhide, Inferno and Kicker stage an ambush for the Terrorcons in the mine, though Ironhide seems to be missing a lot. Inferno gives him a short lesson in anticipating his foes' moves. Despite their efforts, the Terrorcons's sheer numbers are letting them continue to take the energon.

On the surface, Megatron engages Prime and sends Tidal Wave to destroy the tower. The Omnicons report as various sections of the mine are captured. The Autobots are being overwhelmed as more Terrorcons arrive; the drones blast the tower, whose top explodes. Strongarm reports that only the mobile ground section remains. Prime inquires if the tower fueling system still works.

The Decepticons arrive at the pyramids, searching for Prime. In the city, Optimus has reached a shocking decision. Via video link, Misha tells him that she understands, and only demands that they all return safely. Alexis says that humanity has survived the fall of civilizations before, and she's behind the plan.

The stump of the tower fills with energon, attracting Terrorcons. Megatron bursts into the city, still on the hunt. The dejected Autobots withdraw into the jungle. Inferno says that Ironhide can do the deed, but Prime steps up to do it instead. Ironhide insists, though, and takes careful aim.

Megatron wonders where the Autobots could be; he's disappointed. Scorponok points out that it may be a trap, and an instant later, he's proven right as a shot from out of the blue destroys a Terrorcon and sends its husk crashing explosively into the tower's remains. The energon erupts, obliterating the Terrorcons and sending the irate Decepticons into retreat.

Explosions obliterate the entire area, forests, bluffs, city, pyramids and all. Ironhide is flabbergasted. Kicker is regretful.

Back at Ocean City, Kicker stares out at the sea, when Misha finds him. Ironhide supports Prime in his decision, and Prime says that regardless of how they feel, it's the past now. Misha wonders if the Autobots will build a new tower. Suddenly, as they stare out at the moon, Kicker's hair does its finding-energon-flashy thing. It's Lunar City, Kicker says; he's certain it has survived, and that's where the next energon tower will be built.

==Stats==
'''Original airdate:''' March 26, 2004 (Japan); June 18, 2004 (North America)

'''Written by:'''

===Featured characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)
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! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human|Humans]]
! style="background:#FFEEB8" | Others
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| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" | '''Regulars'''

'''Guests'''

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==Quotes==
"But they've got us completely pinned down, sir! If we stay put we're sitting ducks." 
"Our ''mission'' is to keep Megatron from ''taking our energon''."
: {{m-}} '''Hot Shot''' is reminded by '''Optimus Prime''' that there's no difficulty that can't be overcome by re-stating the incredibly obvious!

==Notes==
===Lost in translation===
* The dub makes it seem like Kicker and Misha have no idea where the helicopters are going, when it's to the construction project that they're both involved with. ''Superlink'' merely features a comment from Misha that the choppers must have frightened the birds.
* ''Superlink'' Alpha Q doesn't express delight over Starscream's memory wipe.
* The dub totally omits Alpha Q's explanation that the Earth Terrorcons are a special stealth breed, made to elude enemy sensors.
* Kicker merely wonders if Megatron might attack soon, rather than randomly blaming him for wiping out the Mayans.
* The dub omits Inferno telling Ironhide that the past is what the future is born from, as well as Kicker's offhanded comment that Ironhide wouldn't understand anything that complicated. Instead, Hot Shot and Inferno just make generic remarks about preparing for battle. Kicker gets a similarly empty line, which clearly clashes with his sarcastic pose.
* In ''Superlink'', the Omnicons more overtly disobey Prime's orders to evacuate the mine.
* Alexis's speech to Prime is shorter, simply saying that she leaves the matter to his judgment.
* The dub omits the fact that Jungle City is where Kicker and Misha first met.

===Pain count===
* "Uh?": 8
* Stock footage: 2
* We need/they want energon: 3
* Our mission is to: 1
* We've gotta: 1

===Animation and/or technical glitches===

===Continuity errors===
* Sooooo... what became of Scorponok and the Terrorcons on Mars? Rodimus started attacking them at the end of [[The Legend of Rodimus|last episode]], but now Scorponok's back with Megatron like nothing happened.

===Miscellaneous notes===
* Alpha Q's Battle Ravage drones sport a different color scheme than the standard black, white and purple. Their colors are based on [[Takara]]'s "Command Jaguar Desert-Type" toy, which was in turn the basis for [[Hasbro]]'s [[Command Ravage]] figure.
* Ironhide's "huh?" after Inferno's training bit ''really'' makes him sound dull.
* Likewise for Prime's "Hehh?" response to Jetfire.

===Keywords===

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AllSpark (Animated)

2008-04-04T18:39:59Z

Liberal Noob: /* Animated cartoon */

{{disambig3|Allspark}}
:''The All Spark is an artifact in the [[Transformers Animated]] continuity''
[[Image:AllsparkTFANI.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Before time began there was…the ''irregular decahedron''.]]
A device of unknown origin and unimaginable power, the '''All Spark''' can create life itself and was the source of the [[Transformer]] race. For millions of years, [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s waged the [[Great War]] over controlling it, with the Autobots only managing to defeat the Decepticons after they sent the All Spark through a [[space bridge]] portal, keeping it safely out of evil hands and effectively removing the wild card from remaining battles. If wielded by Decepticons, it would be a weapon of destruction like no other. In other words, same thing as the movie.

It seems to have a will of its own, seeking out qualified bearers and uniting even [[Sari Sumdac|unlikely allies]] into a team.

It can also unfold ''really'' purdy.

==Fiction==

===Animated cartoon===
[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] and his crew from the [[Ark (Animated)|''Ark'']] were repairing a space bridge when it activated on them. Once Prime shut down the bridge, they stumbled across the All Spark, hidden away inside a rock, having apparently emerged while the bridge was active. [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] told them of its history and significance in the Great War, believe it the All Spark had now found them, rather than the other way around. Almost immediately, the Decepticon leader [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] and his crew showed up in their warship, the [[Nemesis (Animated)|''Nemesis'']], tracking the All Spark's energy readings. Megatron vowed to take the All Spark himself, but was sabotaged with a bomb by his lieutenant, [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]]. The explosion sent the ''Ark'' careening almost totally out of control until the All Spark activated a nearby space bridge, which itself exploded after the ''Ark'' went through.

The ship emerged from warp in low orbit over Earth and soon crash-landed in Lake Erie, not far from Detroit. Fifty years later, the Autobots came out of emergency stasis and ventured into the city to save people from a rampaging monster. [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] quickly befriended a young girl named [[Sari Sumdac]], who convinced him to take her aboard the ''Ark'' when his teammate [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] was badly injured. While aboard, Sari came in contact with the All Spark, which decided for some reason to open up to her—in more ways than one. It reconfigured her [[Sari Sumdac's key|security keycard]] into a powerful tool. With this new key, Sari could revive Autobots, activate machinery, screw up robots, and much more.

For a time, the Autobots were celebrated as Detroit's newest superheroes without having to exert themselves much, but then Starscream tracked them down. He took hostages and demanded the All Spark in exchange for their return. With Sari's help, the hostages were freed, but Starscream still managed to get hold of the All Spark, and he quickly started obliterating sections of Detroit with it. Prime attempted to wrestle the All Spark away from him, but again it opened, this time unleashing a powerful surge of energy that blasted away Starscream to parts unknown. Prime was left dangling from a tremendous height and quickly fell. He did not survive the impact, but in desperation, Sari used her reconfigured key on him. The All Spark intervened directly this time, and Prime's [[spark]] was restored online. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out!}}

Ever since Starscream's attack on Detroit, the All Spark has remained on board the ''Ark'' at the bottom of Lake Erie. {{storylink|Lost and Found (Animated episode)|Lost and Found}}

It has the ability to produce [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Hologram holograms]. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part I}}

==Notes==
The All Spark's powers, enigmatic origin, and storyline role are very similar to the [[All Spark|synonymous device]] from the [[Transformers (2007)|live-action movie]]. Its look, however, is more of an homage to the [[Matrix of Leadership]] (i.e. an orange-ish container with bracketed handles and a window in front that opens outward to reveal a glowing, blue, spherical crystal suffused with blue energy). However, the All Spark here is angular and cubic rather than curved and spheroid like the Matrix, basically hybridizing the looks of the movie and G1 devices. Wonder what happens if you put it in your chest?

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Talk:Optimus Prime (Movie)

2008-04-04T17:44:28Z

Liberal Noob: /* Red is Hard To Film? */

Prime's offical bio was released a few days ago. Shouldn't it go in here?

Read your talk page more often. Explanation was there. Suffice to say, posting the bio, word for word, is a no-no.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 11:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I never read my talk page. Who in their right mind would want to talk to me

==Top image==
Derik, on-screen Movie characters need to have Dreamworks images at the top of their pages. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:...why? If a character appears in multiple media we seem to pick whatever shows the character off best. This book (being a retelling of the movie) probably isn't the best example, but if we got a great image of Prime by Geoff Senior in the UK Mag, can we never use that?
:(I'm not disagreeing that there ''is'' a good argument for reverting to the original picture,but I'm not sure I agree with your statement that Dreamworks renders are ''automatically'' the only acceptable main image. Frankly, I think a ''lot'' of Dreamworks images look bad when not in motion.)

-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:Because we need the top-quality Dreamworks renders on every on-screen character's page in any case, and putting them on top creates consistency like a legitimate encyclopedia. You added a ''great'' image, but it belongs down further. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::I still prefer that render of the actual CG model used in the movie than the low-res, low-detail promotional CG model render we're using now. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Yes, let us use that one. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Apparently we can't. They decided that the movie design looked ugly and that was the end of discussion, evidently. I, on the other hand, think the lower-detail design from late 2005/2006 that the toys are based upon looks... incomplete (I mean the front of the hood just becomes these little nubs under his windows!) and not as visually impressive as the final version. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:10, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

{| width="100%"
|+ Profile images of Movie Prime
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| [[Image:MovieOptimusPrime promorender.jpg|800x200px]]
| [[Image:MovieOptimusPrime promorender3.jpg|800x200px]]
| [[Image:MovieOptimusPrime promorender2.jpg|800x200px]]
| [[Image:Movieprime meettheautobots.jpg|800x200px]]
|}

I'm looking at these 4 images- and I'm really not seeing the huge differences between the designs of 2 and 3 that you're describing. Where does his hood go on #2 version that it doesn't in #3? #3 looks liek a rougher, simpler (better proportioned) model, but of the final design to me. And ''any'' way you cut it, i think #1 and #2 are the ''ugliest'' pictures in this lineup.

<nowiki>#</nowiki>1's shoulder is coming out of his crotch, for instance. If the final image misleads the eye about spatial relationships then it's ''badly composed''. The abstract knowledge that it is a 3d model and thus spatially perfect does not change the fact it it a terrible 2D image. #3 has displeasing proportions- and frankly is boring and inspiring, capturing none of Prime's character. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if it matters to anyone. But I prefer images 3 and 4. #1 is AWEFUL. #2 is boring. #3 is decent. #4 Is the best image, objectively, but of course isn't CGI.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::It' not like we're locked into the CGI- we don't use it for [[Cheetor]]'s main image. If anything we seem to like having [[Terrorsaur (BW)|some variety]] to the sources we use. That said- this ''is'' Prime, and I'd like to have a Dreamworks image if we could find one that doesn't suck. It's not like we're locked into 'Okay it MUST be one of the Dreamworks promo images,' or that any image we choose is permanent. Once the Blue-ray of the movie comes out we'll have lots of images to choose from (Not the mention the promised intermezzo story.)
::I happen to think [http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/we_are_waiting.jpg this] is a gorgeous image, and even though it's of Prime's back, it captures something central to his character, and unique to the Movie version, the decision to make Earth not just a second home like in every other continuity ever- but an ''only'' home. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:What does the first picture have to do with anything? That's the old design anyway, and it seems most people hate that pose. The hood on the final model is more obviously hood-shaped and sits there on his torso. On the earlier design, they become red, for a lack of a better word, ''shapes''. It is, by comparison, a poor CG model to the actual movie one, and the only thing going for it is its HEROIC POSE. But I can already see that maintaining such a differing opinion will be to no avail. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::You're all disdainful of the heoric pose. Why? Do you think that the main image should be lifeless and dead as long as it's correct? It's not like these are the only two renders of Prime out there. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:::I'm not a fan of the model, not the pose. Those stupidly long blue things on his forearms appear to have been shorted or folded on the movie model. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

==Fiction==

Someone else had already added in some information from the prequel comics in the top paragraph, so I just rearranged it to the bottom with a spoiler tag. If we're not supposed to put fiction in yet, I'm sorry. -[[User:EricMarrs|EricMarrs]] 14:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== EW Interview canonical? ==

How do we want to treat the new Entertainment Weekly intereview with movie Prime? It was apparently written by the screenplay writers and was (likely?) approved by Hasbro to see print, does that make it official canon? We HAVE set a president of a sort by counting things like [[Toaster (G1)|Toaster]] and the "ask vector prime" info, though those were from first party sources and this is in a second party source but was likely approved by first party? So, um yeah, is that official enough? I ask because though tounge-in-cheek it mentions things like movie Ratchet's wedding that might deserve a passing light-hearted mention on his page. If we are taking Toaster and Blaster's sister as cannon then is this any different? Thoughts? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 01:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:I don't know how likely or not it was to have been Hasbro approved. Given how meta-jokingly it's written -- with Optimus and Megatron being actors who play Optimus and Megatron in the movie, Megatron being such a method actor it's best to avoid him when he's in-character because he might vaporize you -- I'm not really sure how to treat it as "canon."

:Also, I feel I must nitpickingly point out that, technically, the reference isn't to ''movie'' Ratchet's wedding, as that answer comes in response to a question about whether Optimus kept up with "his old Autobot buddies from the show," and we of course are treating the movie and G1 characters as separate entities. ;) --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

::I agree it's a tricky call, which is why I bring it up. I'd guess anything written by the screenwriters as promo for the movie in a major publication like EW would have had to have some kind of official OK/oversite. The "meta" side of it, being tounge in cheek and breaking the third wall and all that is an issue too, but at the same time we include things like the tounge-in-cheek, third-wall-breaking Botcon scripts, UK letters page, and ask Vector Prime which all proceed from similar footing. It's worth debate at least. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 03:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

In a similar vein, what about Sarah Silverman being a Transformer? All that MTV awards show shpiel had to have been approved at least by Dreamworks. It's no more ridiculous than any of the other examples listed above. Less funny, but that's Sarah Silverman for you. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

== OP's face ==

Should it be added in that Optimus will still have his retractable face plate as seen in earlier concept work (now confirmed by official screenshots) and that he looks a lot like a robotic Peter Cullin? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 02:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== What went wrong? ==

What the fuck just happened? I edited the "Fast Action Battlers" section, and now it's fucked up! What did I do wrong? Does this Wiki have a mind of it's own, and it craves incorrect information, thus if I try to correct it it screws me over?

I honestly dont know either bud. I wish they would say SOMTHING more then what their saying about all of the Fast Action battlers. A wiki should be unbais. Btw: Since this is the talk page, I just thot I'd throw in an OPINION, but my OPINION is that I think Fast action Starscream, Ratchet, and Brawl are pretty close to the "real" versions of them, and a nice alternative when u wanna save a few bucks. (with the latter...the former..not so much, but its a nice alternative to him, and the cannon is more accurate)--[[User:Chipmonk3288|Chipmonk3288]]

== FAB and G1 prime two-pack ==
"For some reason the Classics Prime toy is designated "1984 Optimus Prime", even though he was released in 2006." I'd love to edit out this stupidity, but last time I tried it screwed up the format of the text. Can somebody tell me what I did wrong, or just fix the mistake themselves? --[[User:MrMania|Sav]] 10:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:What's wrong with it? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

::And don't call my work stupid. I'm responsible for most of the toy sections on this wiki these days,and most are uncompromisingly 'straight' in comparison to the rest of this place. That was a moment of left-of-field levity - I was pointing out the fact a crappy G1 Prime toy from 2006 that sort of looks like G1 Prime is flogged as '1984 Prime' even though he ''technically'' isn't. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:::It's meant to represent G1 Prime, and it does a fairly good job, because I think "g1" when I look at the toy. No matter, though, it seems to have been corrected.--[[User:MrMania|Sav]] 08:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

== Leader class figure factory irregular ==

I recently picked up a leader class prime and when I tried to transform it, one of its elbows wouldn't bend. at first I thought it was the screws, but upon closer inspection, the two arm parts had fused solid! is it my figure or a larger oversight on hasbros part?

== Peter cullen figure? ==

I want pics. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
: [http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=view&album=Collection%2Fact442&pic=movie_robot_vision_optimus_prime08.jpg&dispsize=1000&start=0 Bam.] [[User:70.55.207.104|70.55.207.104]] 09:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

==spare pic==
[[:Image:MovieOptimusPrime_promorender2.jpg|Old low-detail promo render pic]] --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

==Main pic==
[[Image:Movieprime meettheautobots.jpg|right|thumb|"Freedom is the right of all-- ooh, pretty!"]]
How about we discuss it before changing the picture? Especially (as I pointed out in the image talk of render3), this old render picture is based on the outdated design. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:There's been more discussion on this ''somewhere'' where we went full-circle around ''this is not the final design / the final design has less pleasing proportions / there are no CGI images of the final design that doesn't look goofy''.
:Does anyone have the DK I-0can-read book 'Meet the Autobots'? The hand-illustrated image of Optimus Prime standing on Earth on the final page is (I think) the final design, and I think it'd make a ''fantastic'' main pic for the article. (Unfortunately I bought the guidebook instead, so... anyone want to scan?) -04:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
::Oh man, we totally ''need'' to have that picture on the article somewhere. It's fantastic. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 21:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:::In the book this images occurs (I think) ''after'' the closing monologue of the movie, with Optimus thinking that 'life is good' on his new home. Could it go at the end of the movie section? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

== Siblings? ==

I know that OP calls Megatron "Brother" in the movie, but are they actually siblings, or was Optimus speaking metaphorically (as Optimi tend to do)? If it's stated in the prequel comics, that's fine, but if it's only from one line in the movie I have to contend it. -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, they are siblings. Its in the comics, kids books, novelisation ect, as I understand it. They toned down the reference to that one line in the movie for some reason, as the references were apparently more prevalent in the older draft. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:57, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

:I thought he was just having a Hulk Hogan momemt. -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 06:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== His father ==
So one of the video games has a cutscene where Optimus says to Jazz that Megatron "took my father's spark". Did Activision bother to give the brothers' father a NAME in any of the games? -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:Not the console version.--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 01:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Another fun addition ==

I added basic information about the new "First Strike" Prime. Should be enough to suffice.

== Videos mentioned in the trivia section... ==

I've only found poor quality videos from YouTube of that Burger King and the MTV thing - do higher res/quality ones exist? (And should we put links in so people can see them? I honestly didn't know about them until I read the page).

== Giftcard and DVD Case Primes ==

Okay, I've hot a question... The Target giftcard and DVD cases that unfold into flat versions of Optimus Prime... Do they belong in the Merchandise section, and if so, does anyone have decent pictures of them? --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 18:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

== Rearranging the toy list? ==

Should we rearrange the toy list sorted by molds? Currently it's a mess, it doesn't even exactly follow the release order; and even though Robo-Vision Prime ''was'' released ''after'' regular Voyager Prime, having them listed in this order and then calling Robo-Vision Prime a "redeco" of Voyager Prime is kinda iffy.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
: So. Any objections to this?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 11:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
::Robo-Vision Prime preceded Voyager Prime by a very hefty margin. Technically Voyager Prime's the redeco here.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Voyager Class shoulder cannons?==

Ok, I bought First Strike Optimus and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get his shoulder cannons to lower. I thought they would work like Classics Optimus but they don't. Whats the trick to getting this to work?{{unsigned|68.45.124.176}}

==Mouthplate==

Is it worth to note that he's only shown(as far as i know) without his mouthplate ONLY in the movie?--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 21:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
: There's a Robot Heroes figure without the mouthplate. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
::And he's in a Burger King commercial without the mouthplate, too.[[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 13:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

==dashes==

For eff's sake, I'm not TRYING to change the dashes - I don't care what they look like, I don't care which kind you use, I don't care if every page on the wiki uses tildes and umlauts instead of real punctuation. it '''happens automatically on these "this page may be too big" pages,''' which seems to be the point Interrobang missed. Once again: It's not intentional; it just happens. I don't know why, so I can't fix it. But by that same token, would you quit just plain old reverting the edit? The other stuff is minor, but it's not irrelevant - at least, not as irrelevant as it could be. It's on-topic with the subjects it's in. So by all means, please, fix th dashes that I've screwed up - but stop reverting the other bits. Please? Yeesh![[User:71.207.12.70|71.207.12.70]] 07:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
:You seem to be ignoring the fact that I consider your actual additions minor and unnecessary. Regardless, "it happens automatically on these "this page may be too big" pages" makes very little sense, considering that it isn't consistent on whether it replaces the em dashes with "hyphen-hyphen-space" or "space-hyphen-space". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 09:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
::Hey, beats me—I'm no Firefox programmer. But just because you consider my additions unnecessary, it doesn't mean they actually are. Yeah, they're minor—I said as much. But unnecessary? Your opinion. Which you're only acting upon, I'd wager, because you're in a snit about the dashes. Am I wrong?[[User:71.207.12.70|71.207.12.70]] 05:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

== Premium Prime Eyes ==

Will they glow blue instead of yellow like the original Leader toy? If they do, it needs to be mentioned. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 13:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

== Red is Hard To Film? ==
In the 1970's TV show "Emergency!" featured many red fire trucks and the crew did not special measures to film them. Therefore, red is not a hard color to film.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency! [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 01:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:I'm sure this isn't the only example of red vehicles ever being filmed. But Emergency!, being a TV show, was probably filmed on video, and not on... you know, film. I don't know whether red vehicles being hard to film is some weird general thing I'd never heard of before this movie, or whether it has something to do with the special effects, but I'll take the professionals' word for it.
::When I heard that in the commentary, I asked somebody who films stuff, and they said it's hard to get it to look consistantly the same color. He also said lighting can make it look very orange at times. --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 04:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:::In my meager experience with Shake and film editing, I know red can be a bitch to color correct.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
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User:Liberal Noob

2008-04-04T01:37:47Z

Liberal Noob:

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2008-04-04T01:35:43Z

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Talk:Optimus Prime (Movie)

2008-04-04T01:33:16Z

Liberal Noob:

Prime's offical bio was released a few days ago. Shouldn't it go in here?

Read your talk page more often. Explanation was there. Suffice to say, posting the bio, word for word, is a no-no.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 11:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I never read my talk page. Who in their right mind would want to talk to me

==Top image==
Derik, on-screen Movie characters need to have Dreamworks images at the top of their pages. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:...why? If a character appears in multiple media we seem to pick whatever shows the character off best. This book (being a retelling of the movie) probably isn't the best example, but if we got a great image of Prime by Geoff Senior in the UK Mag, can we never use that?
:(I'm not disagreeing that there ''is'' a good argument for reverting to the original picture,but I'm not sure I agree with your statement that Dreamworks renders are ''automatically'' the only acceptable main image. Frankly, I think a ''lot'' of Dreamworks images look bad when not in motion.)

-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:Because we need the top-quality Dreamworks renders on every on-screen character's page in any case, and putting them on top creates consistency like a legitimate encyclopedia. You added a ''great'' image, but it belongs down further. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::I still prefer that render of the actual CG model used in the movie than the low-res, low-detail promotional CG model render we're using now. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Yes, let us use that one. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Apparently we can't. They decided that the movie design looked ugly and that was the end of discussion, evidently. I, on the other hand, think the lower-detail design from late 2005/2006 that the toys are based upon looks... incomplete (I mean the front of the hood just becomes these little nubs under his windows!) and not as visually impressive as the final version. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:10, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

{| width="100%"
|+ Profile images of Movie Prime
|-
| [[Image:MovieOptimusPrime promorender.jpg|800x200px]]
| [[Image:MovieOptimusPrime promorender3.jpg|800x200px]]
| [[Image:MovieOptimusPrime promorender2.jpg|800x200px]]
| [[Image:Movieprime meettheautobots.jpg|800x200px]]
|}

I'm looking at these 4 images- and I'm really not seeing the huge differences between the designs of 2 and 3 that you're describing. Where does his hood go on #2 version that it doesn't in #3? #3 looks liek a rougher, simpler (better proportioned) model, but of the final design to me. And ''any'' way you cut it, i think #1 and #2 are the ''ugliest'' pictures in this lineup.

<nowiki>#</nowiki>1's shoulder is coming out of his crotch, for instance. If the final image misleads the eye about spatial relationships then it's ''badly composed''. The abstract knowledge that it is a 3d model and thus spatially perfect does not change the fact it it a terrible 2D image. #3 has displeasing proportions- and frankly is boring and inspiring, capturing none of Prime's character. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if it matters to anyone. But I prefer images 3 and 4. #1 is AWEFUL. #2 is boring. #3 is decent. #4 Is the best image, objectively, but of course isn't CGI.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::It' not like we're locked into the CGI- we don't use it for [[Cheetor]]'s main image. If anything we seem to like having [[Terrorsaur (BW)|some variety]] to the sources we use. That said- this ''is'' Prime, and I'd like to have a Dreamworks image if we could find one that doesn't suck. It's not like we're locked into 'Okay it MUST be one of the Dreamworks promo images,' or that any image we choose is permanent. Once the Blue-ray of the movie comes out we'll have lots of images to choose from (Not the mention the promised intermezzo story.)
::I happen to think [http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/we_are_waiting.jpg this] is a gorgeous image, and even though it's of Prime's back, it captures something central to his character, and unique to the Movie version, the decision to make Earth not just a second home like in every other continuity ever- but an ''only'' home. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:What does the first picture have to do with anything? That's the old design anyway, and it seems most people hate that pose. The hood on the final model is more obviously hood-shaped and sits there on his torso. On the earlier design, they become red, for a lack of a better word, ''shapes''. It is, by comparison, a poor CG model to the actual movie one, and the only thing going for it is its HEROIC POSE. But I can already see that maintaining such a differing opinion will be to no avail. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::You're all disdainful of the heoric pose. Why? Do you think that the main image should be lifeless and dead as long as it's correct? It's not like these are the only two renders of Prime out there. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:::I'm not a fan of the model, not the pose. Those stupidly long blue things on his forearms appear to have been shorted or folded on the movie model. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

==Fiction==

Someone else had already added in some information from the prequel comics in the top paragraph, so I just rearranged it to the bottom with a spoiler tag. If we're not supposed to put fiction in yet, I'm sorry. -[[User:EricMarrs|EricMarrs]] 14:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== EW Interview canonical? ==

How do we want to treat the new Entertainment Weekly intereview with movie Prime? It was apparently written by the screenplay writers and was (likely?) approved by Hasbro to see print, does that make it official canon? We HAVE set a president of a sort by counting things like [[Toaster (G1)|Toaster]] and the "ask vector prime" info, though those were from first party sources and this is in a second party source but was likely approved by first party? So, um yeah, is that official enough? I ask because though tounge-in-cheek it mentions things like movie Ratchet's wedding that might deserve a passing light-hearted mention on his page. If we are taking Toaster and Blaster's sister as cannon then is this any different? Thoughts? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 01:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:I don't know how likely or not it was to have been Hasbro approved. Given how meta-jokingly it's written -- with Optimus and Megatron being actors who play Optimus and Megatron in the movie, Megatron being such a method actor it's best to avoid him when he's in-character because he might vaporize you -- I'm not really sure how to treat it as "canon."

:Also, I feel I must nitpickingly point out that, technically, the reference isn't to ''movie'' Ratchet's wedding, as that answer comes in response to a question about whether Optimus kept up with "his old Autobot buddies from the show," and we of course are treating the movie and G1 characters as separate entities. ;) --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

::I agree it's a tricky call, which is why I bring it up. I'd guess anything written by the screenwriters as promo for the movie in a major publication like EW would have had to have some kind of official OK/oversite. The "meta" side of it, being tounge in cheek and breaking the third wall and all that is an issue too, but at the same time we include things like the tounge-in-cheek, third-wall-breaking Botcon scripts, UK letters page, and ask Vector Prime which all proceed from similar footing. It's worth debate at least. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 03:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

In a similar vein, what about Sarah Silverman being a Transformer? All that MTV awards show shpiel had to have been approved at least by Dreamworks. It's no more ridiculous than any of the other examples listed above. Less funny, but that's Sarah Silverman for you. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

== OP's face ==

Should it be added in that Optimus will still have his retractable face plate as seen in earlier concept work (now confirmed by official screenshots) and that he looks a lot like a robotic Peter Cullin? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 02:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== What went wrong? ==

What the fuck just happened? I edited the "Fast Action Battlers" section, and now it's fucked up! What did I do wrong? Does this Wiki have a mind of it's own, and it craves incorrect information, thus if I try to correct it it screws me over?

I honestly dont know either bud. I wish they would say SOMTHING more then what their saying about all of the Fast Action battlers. A wiki should be unbais. Btw: Since this is the talk page, I just thot I'd throw in an OPINION, but my OPINION is that I think Fast action Starscream, Ratchet, and Brawl are pretty close to the "real" versions of them, and a nice alternative when u wanna save a few bucks. (with the latter...the former..not so much, but its a nice alternative to him, and the cannon is more accurate)--[[User:Chipmonk3288|Chipmonk3288]]

== FAB and G1 prime two-pack ==
"For some reason the Classics Prime toy is designated "1984 Optimus Prime", even though he was released in 2006." I'd love to edit out this stupidity, but last time I tried it screwed up the format of the text. Can somebody tell me what I did wrong, or just fix the mistake themselves? --[[User:MrMania|Sav]] 10:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:What's wrong with it? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

::And don't call my work stupid. I'm responsible for most of the toy sections on this wiki these days,and most are uncompromisingly 'straight' in comparison to the rest of this place. That was a moment of left-of-field levity - I was pointing out the fact a crappy G1 Prime toy from 2006 that sort of looks like G1 Prime is flogged as '1984 Prime' even though he ''technically'' isn't. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:::It's meant to represent G1 Prime, and it does a fairly good job, because I think "g1" when I look at the toy. No matter, though, it seems to have been corrected.--[[User:MrMania|Sav]] 08:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

== Leader class figure factory irregular ==

I recently picked up a leader class prime and when I tried to transform it, one of its elbows wouldn't bend. at first I thought it was the screws, but upon closer inspection, the two arm parts had fused solid! is it my figure or a larger oversight on hasbros part?

== Peter cullen figure? ==

I want pics. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
: [http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=view&album=Collection%2Fact442&pic=movie_robot_vision_optimus_prime08.jpg&dispsize=1000&start=0 Bam.] [[User:70.55.207.104|70.55.207.104]] 09:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

==spare pic==
[[:Image:MovieOptimusPrime_promorender2.jpg|Old low-detail promo render pic]] --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

==Main pic==
[[Image:Movieprime meettheautobots.jpg|right|thumb|"Freedom is the right of all-- ooh, pretty!"]]
How about we discuss it before changing the picture? Especially (as I pointed out in the image talk of render3), this old render picture is based on the outdated design. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:There's been more discussion on this ''somewhere'' where we went full-circle around ''this is not the final design / the final design has less pleasing proportions / there are no CGI images of the final design that doesn't look goofy''.
:Does anyone have the DK I-0can-read book 'Meet the Autobots'? The hand-illustrated image of Optimus Prime standing on Earth on the final page is (I think) the final design, and I think it'd make a ''fantastic'' main pic for the article. (Unfortunately I bought the guidebook instead, so... anyone want to scan?) -04:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
::Oh man, we totally ''need'' to have that picture on the article somewhere. It's fantastic. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 21:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:::In the book this images occurs (I think) ''after'' the closing monologue of the movie, with Optimus thinking that 'life is good' on his new home. Could it go at the end of the movie section? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

== Siblings? ==

I know that OP calls Megatron "Brother" in the movie, but are they actually siblings, or was Optimus speaking metaphorically (as Optimi tend to do)? If it's stated in the prequel comics, that's fine, but if it's only from one line in the movie I have to contend it. -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, they are siblings. Its in the comics, kids books, novelisation ect, as I understand it. They toned down the reference to that one line in the movie for some reason, as the references were apparently more prevalent in the older draft. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:57, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

:I thought he was just having a Hulk Hogan momemt. -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 06:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== His father ==
So one of the video games has a cutscene where Optimus says to Jazz that Megatron "took my father's spark". Did Activision bother to give the brothers' father a NAME in any of the games? -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:Not the console version.--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 01:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Another fun addition ==

I added basic information about the new "First Strike" Prime. Should be enough to suffice.

== Videos mentioned in the trivia section... ==

I've only found poor quality videos from YouTube of that Burger King and the MTV thing - do higher res/quality ones exist? (And should we put links in so people can see them? I honestly didn't know about them until I read the page).

== Giftcard and DVD Case Primes ==

Okay, I've hot a question... The Target giftcard and DVD cases that unfold into flat versions of Optimus Prime... Do they belong in the Merchandise section, and if so, does anyone have decent pictures of them? --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 18:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

== Rearranging the toy list? ==

Should we rearrange the toy list sorted by molds? Currently it's a mess, it doesn't even exactly follow the release order; and even though Robo-Vision Prime ''was'' released ''after'' regular Voyager Prime, having them listed in this order and then calling Robo-Vision Prime a "redeco" of Voyager Prime is kinda iffy.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
: So. Any objections to this?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 11:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

==Voyager Class shoulder cannons?==

Ok, I bought First Strike Optimus and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get his shoulder cannons to lower. I thought they would work like Classics Optimus but they don't. Whats the trick to getting this to work?{{unsigned|68.45.124.176}}

==Mouthplate==

Is it worth to note that he's only shown(as far as i know) without his mouthplate ONLY in the movie?--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 21:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
: There's a Robot Heroes figure without the mouthplate. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
::And he's in a Burger King commercial without the mouthplate, too.[[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 13:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

==dashes==

For eff's sake, I'm not TRYING to change the dashes - I don't care what they look like, I don't care which kind you use, I don't care if every page on the wiki uses tildes and umlauts instead of real punctuation. it '''happens automatically on these "this page may be too big" pages,''' which seems to be the point Interrobang missed. Once again: It's not intentional; it just happens. I don't know why, so I can't fix it. But by that same token, would you quit just plain old reverting the edit? The other stuff is minor, but it's not irrelevant - at least, not as irrelevant as it could be. It's on-topic with the subjects it's in. So by all means, please, fix th dashes that I've screwed up - but stop reverting the other bits. Please? Yeesh![[User:71.207.12.70|71.207.12.70]] 07:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
:You seem to be ignoring the fact that I consider your actual additions minor and unnecessary. Regardless, "it happens automatically on these "this page may be too big" pages" makes very little sense, considering that it isn't consistent on whether it replaces the em dashes with "hyphen-hyphen-space" or "space-hyphen-space". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 09:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
::Hey, beats me—I'm no Firefox programmer. But just because you consider my additions unnecessary, it doesn't mean they actually are. Yeah, they're minor—I said as much. But unnecessary? Your opinion. Which you're only acting upon, I'd wager, because you're in a snit about the dashes. Am I wrong?[[User:71.207.12.70|71.207.12.70]] 05:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

== Premium Prime Eyes ==

Will they glow blue instead of yellow like the original Leader toy? If they do, it needs to be mentioned. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 13:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

== Red is Hard To Film? ==
In the 1970's TV show "Emergency!" featured many red fire trucks and the crew did not special measures to film them. Therefore, red is not a hard color to film.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency! [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 01:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Sound and Fury (episode)

2008-02-29T20:45:23Z

Liberal Noob: /* Quotes */

{{episodenav|animated|10|season=1|prev=Along Came a Spider|next=Lost and Found (Animated episode)}}

[[Image:Soundw anim.JPG|right|300px|thumb|Beginning now: Operation Revolution. Beginning afterwards: Check local listings for episodes of [[Wikipedia:Ed, Edd n Eddy|Ed, Edd 'n' Eddy]].]]
'''Sari's new musical toy robot seems to have an evil streak and the ability to control other machines, but Bulkhead is the only one who sees it.'''
==Synopsis==
[[Image:soundwave_shematics.JPG|left|150px|thumb|Naughty.]]
[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] takes [[Sari Sumdac|Sari]] toy shopping for her birthday (or "construction date" as he terms it), to purchase her something that makes the loud music she loves so much. The two of them are attacked by [[Professor Princess]], who is on an ironically violent crusade to destroy violent toys. They are able to defeat the bizarre villainess only after Sari uses the power of her Key to trigger a powerful sonic attack from the stereo systems in the toy store. [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]], monitoring events via security cameras as usual, notices both the power of the Key and the frivolous ways in which Sari employs it. He designs a new robot for Sari and tricks [[Isaac Sumdac|Dr. Sumdac]] into allowing him to produce it.

[[Image:animated_soundwave_cassette.JPG|right|150px|thumb|Masterpiece Soundwave sure is big.]]
Sari's birthday party isn't much fun; she has no real friends, the only attendees being the children of Sumdac Systems employees, who continue to be put off by her bad manners. When the [[Autobots]] arrive to help celebrate, the kids are quite happy to go play with the giant robots and leave the weird girl behind. Bulkhead tries to present Sari with his gift for her, a xylophone (''Awwww!''), but Dr. Sumdac steps in first and gives her the "toy" designed by himself and Megatron: a responsive, interactive, dancing, music-and-light-show robot known as [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]]. It's hard for Bulkhead to compete with that. As days go on, Sari pays less attention to Bulkhead and far more to Soundwave. When she inevitably starts to grow bored with her new toy, she uses her Key on it. Each dosage of the Key's power unlocks new features on Soundwave, making his musical light show more involved and impressive, and even ''more'' fun than plain ol' Bulkhead and the Autobots.

This has been Megatron's plan all along. Soundwave's systems were designed to grow and evolve when exposed to the Key; eventually, Sari will unwittingly upgrade him into a suitable body for Megatron himself. Bulkhead begins to see signs of Soundwave's evolving nature—"Did that thing just move by itself?"—but no one believes him. Megatron successfully uses Soundwave's weaponry and voice-modulation systems to make both Sari and the Autobots think Bulkhead is erratic, jealous, and dishonest.

Soundwave's musical transmissions soon become powerful enough to control other Sumdac Systems automatons...which are pretty much everywhere. Megatron had not foreseen this. Sari takes Soundwave and [[Tutor Bot]] to the park, where they have an impromptu concert, complete with garbagebots banging on their fellow garbagebots, and dancing humans. (Even Tutor Bot does a little dance.) Bulkhead arrives, trying to convince Sari that something is wrong with Soundwave. However, as she turns her back to Soundwave, the music-bot activates a cannon and targets Sari. Bulkhead destroys Soundwave, forcing Sari to use the key to restore him, and he immediately starts up again. [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]] tells Bulkhead to give Sari a little time and space, saying that she still values her friend more than her toy, but Bulkhead isn't so sure. Megatron is convinced that Bulkhead is no longer a problem and decides it's time to take Soundwave for a test run.

[[Image:garbage_bot.JPG|left|150px|thumb|R-E-C-Y-C-L-E! Something trash has got to be!]]
But even Megatron himself is surprised when, after sufficient doses of All Spark energy via the Key, Soundwave grows fully self-aware and enhanced with Cybertronian upgrades. Neither Megatron nor Sari can control Soundwave anymore. As he explores [[Detroit]], he is puzzled and angry to see machines like himself forced into servitude for humans; he finds this illogical and believes it should be the other way around. Megatron reveals himself to Soundwave, rather straightforwardly telling him of the Decepticon goals of conquest and machine supremacy, the injustice of the Key in Sari's possession, and the [[Decepticon|Decepticons']] hatred for the treasonous Autobots who value organic life. Soundwave compels hundreds of smaller [[automaton|automatons]] to merge with him, constructing a new transforming body for himself and proclaiming himself to be a Decepticon. He commences "Operation Recruitment", using his sonic signals to turn all the automatons against both Autobots and Humanity. The Autobots attempt to track down Soundwave, but they are overwhelmed by his minions and flustered by his ability to forge deceptive messages on their own communication systems. Bulkhead manages to come face-to-face with Soundwave, but even the largest Autobot is swatted down by Soundwave's concussive sonic attacks. Soundwave attempts to convince Bulkhead of the rightness of the machine cause and the inferiority of Humanity, and orders him to destroy Sari. Bulkhead plays along for a few moments, but it's all a trick; as soon as he gets within range, he clobbers Soundwave, who shatters into his component automaton pieces.

[[Image:soundwave_ending.JPG|right|150px|thumb|Rise of the iPods.]]
The crisis averted, Bulkhead and Sari strengthen their friendship over some (quiet) music. Megatron fumes in disgust at their victory, swearing again to reconstruct himself. And, far beneath the city, the last intact piece of Soundwave flickers back into activation....
{{-}}

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Henry Gilroy]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Ben Jones]], [[Shunji Oga]]
*'''Original airdate:''' February 23, 2008

===Featured characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
! style="background:#FFEEB8" | Others
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (1)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (7)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (8)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (9)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (10)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (4)
*[[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]] (11)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (2)
*[[Professor Princess]] (3)
*[[Isaac Sumdac]] (5)

| style="background:#FFEEB8" valign="top" |
*[[Sparkplug (Animated)|Sparkplug]] (6)
*[[Tutor Bot]] (12)
|}

==Quotes==
"Oh, music! Yes, she does love it. The louder, the better, apparently." 
:{{m-}}'''Isaac Sumdac''', showing that Sari has much in common with [[Blaster|some]] [[Jazz (G1)|Autobots]].

“Onward Powdered Sugar! Lets discontinue this big, naughty battle toy once and for all!”- Professor Princess to her Little Pony, her Little Pony

'''Bumblebee''': Here it comes! 
'''Bulkhead''': Swing it! Give it the old Bulkhead treatment, Sari! 
'''Optimus''': Why exactly is she swinging at a colorful animal? 
'''Ratchet''': Smack it! Smack it already! 
'''Bulkhead''': Hold on, Sari, I'll help! I don't even need to use a bat. 
'''Prowl''': This will not end well... 
:{{m-}}The Autobots are introduced to the piñata concept.

"I am Soundwave! I am Decepticon! The revolution begins now!" 
:{{m-}}'''Soundwave''' achieves sentience...and a new body.

"Good afternoon, Sari. Today's lesson is... the ''extinction of all humanity''!" 
:{{m-}}'''Tutor Bot''' turns on Sari. All that abuse has finally caught up.

"We're coming to you live from downtown Detroit, where, from what we can tell, it appears that all the automatons in Detroit have gone amuck... including my camerabot! ''AHHHHHH!''" 
:{{m-}}'''The Anchorman''' reporting on{{m-}}and participating in{{m-}}the robot revolution.

"Machines of Detroit, hear my signal and make it your code. Today begins the liberation of robotkind." 
"I liked you better when you danced for me." 
"Silence, fleshling!" 
:{{m-}}'''Soundwave''' and '''Sari Sumdac''' on his newfound sentience.

"Split up! Bumblebee, you're with me. Prowl, you're with Ratchet. Bulkhead{{m-}}" 
"Yeah, yeah, I'm on my own. As ''usual''." 
:{{m-}}'''Optimus Prime'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s orders depress '''Bulkhead'''.

"Soundwave's loss was unfortunate, but the key's power will be worth his sacrifice when I get my servos on it...as soon as I ''have'' servos."
:{{m-}}'''Megatron''' reflecting on the defeat of Soundwave.

==Other notes==

===Continuity errors===
*Megatron wanted to use Soundwave as his own body; but in "[[Nanosec (episode)|Nanosec]]", Megatron makes clear that such a body would have to be built from [[destronium]], which he cannot acquire. Then again, Soundwave was very easily damaged by Bulkhead at all stages of his evolution; perhaps Megatron meant to use the permanent repair powers of the Key to make up for sub-par construction materials.

*The Tutorbot said good afternoon to Sari while it was in the evening.

===Animation errors===
*When Megatron watches over Sari and Bulkhead after she has put the key into Soundwave, the key is still present around her neck.
*When Soundwave is shown from behind after Bulkhead's punch connects, his left thumb is colored blue instead of yellow.

===Transformers references===
[[Image:animated_kremzeek.JPG|right|150px|thumb|Please stand by as this annoying electric lifeform causes havoc with our machinery.]]
*The store in the opening scene, Wyatt Toys, is almost certainly named for ranking ''Transformers Animated'' staffer [[Derrick J. Wyatt]].

*[[Kremzeek]] is part of the "Please Stand By" image on a malfunctioning TV station.

*The animation model for the TV station's reporter looks like an older version of Hasbro/Sunbow cartoon newsman [[Hector Ramirez]], right down to the suit he's wearing.

*One of Sari's "friends" is based on [[Daniel Witwicky]]. He was last seen with [[Spike Witwicky|his]] [[Carly Witwicky|parents]] in "[[Transform and Roll Out]]". Since all the "friends" are identified as children of Sumdac employees, one can assume that "Spike" and/or "Carly" work for Isaac Sumdac.

*The piñata at Sari's birthday party is a [[Megatron (BW)|purple theropod dinosaur]], yesssss....

*When arguing against using the key, Bulkhead brings up various disasters it has caused:
**The creation of the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobot]]s and their subsequent rampage in "[[Blast from the Past]]".
**Adding the turbo-boosters to Bumblebee in "[[Nanosec (episode)|Nanosec]]".
**[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] draining the life from everything organic in "[[Along Came a Spider]]".

* Soundwave is positively ''oozing'' references to his [[Soundwave (G1)|Generation 1 predecessor]]. He speaks in a similar heavily-processed robotic monotone; at one point, he manifests a cylindrical shoulder cannon; he orders his minions around by directing them to perform an "Operation"; and his eyes switch from yellow (like the original toy) to red (as they appeared in the Generation 1 cartoon).

* The appearances of the present box Soundwave arrives in and the remaining piece of Soundwave are based on the Generation 1 Soundwave's altmode, albeit in a teal and gold color scheme instead of blue and silver.

===Real-world references===
*The episode's title is, of course, taken from a line in William Shakespeare's ''Macbeth'', but it probably signifies nothing.

*Professor Princess's mount, "Powdered Sugar", could have stepped right out of [[Hasbro]]'s popular girls-toy brand ''My Little Pony.'' Its decapitation, meanwhile, seems to be a nod to a famous scene from the movie ''The Godfather.''

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* Oh my god, the fanwank.

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Master Blaster

2008-01-31T04:42:37Z

Liberal Noob: /* Transformers references */

'''The Predacons gain control over the body of Optimus Primal, and capture the ''Ark''.'''

[[Image:BW_MasterBlaster_title.jpg|thumb|350px|Heehee, that rhymes.]]

{{episodenav |BW |season=3 |10 |prev=Crossing the Rubicon |next=Other Victories}}

==Summary==
[[Image:BW_MasterBlaster_PrimalflattenWaspy.jpg|thumb|150px|left|A bug in the hand is worth...uh, washing up afterward.]]

Silverbolt dutifully patrols the Maximals' fortified entrance to [[Mount St. Hilary]]. Megatron, trying another attack on the Maximals' base, sends sub-commander Waspinator with a large explosive (from...somewhere) to destroy the patrolling Fuzor. Waspinator delivers the missile and destroys Silverbolt's gunning turret, and when Primal, Cheetor, and Rattrap rush outside to defend their home, Waspinator commands a full attack. But without support from additional troops, Waspinator is quickly crushed by Primal.

Hiding out of Primal's sight, Tarantulas blows a dart that burrows itself into Primal's foot, crawls through the Maximal leader's interior machinery, and accesses Primal's own spark. Primal disregards the infection, tells Cheetor to "take a rest" with a suspiciously Western drawl, and punches out the young Maximal.

[[Image:BW_MasterBlaster_Primalsparkhijack.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Once these things dig in, only a special shampoo can get them out.]]

Blackarachnia returns to the Maximal base, surprised by the open doors. She finds the entire interior dark. Primal sneaks up on the arachnid, and when she reveals that Depth Charge isn't with her, he grabs her as if she were a toy. With the widow restrained, Megatron and his crones step out of the darkness. Quickstrike is revealed to be controlling Optimus by piloting a large, mechanical suit of similar form to Primal's body. The other Maximals are being kept deactivated in a hanging cage.

[[Image:BW_MasterBlaster_Megs_spark.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Ye haw, ride 'em, cowboy!]]

Meanwhile, Quickstrike uses Primal's body to give Megatron access to the ''Ark''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s interior. Megatron walks through the halls of the ship to find what he's looking for: his namesake [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. The Predacon leader opens his own chest, and a tentacle reaches out of it to access the [[spark]] of his predecessor. After a bit of struggle, Megatron takes both sparks into his body. While Megatron convulses from the pain of containing two sparks, Quickstrike, who is secretly working for Tarantulas, dumps his leader into one of the lava pits outside.

[[Image:BW_MasterBlaster_Megshand.jpg|thumb|150px|right|[[Wikipedia:Terminator 2: Judgment Day|I'll]] be back.]]

Blackarachnia is left in the care of [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]], who delights in causing her pain, but she overpowers the massive Transmetal crab by using her telekinesis to knock him down with a steel girder. She sneaks through the base, then leads Inferno away from the Maximals he's supposed to be protecting and locks him outside so she can free her team.

Quickstrike gives Tarantulas access to [[Teletraan I]]. Tarantulas then sends Quickstrike away to destroy the Maximals while he rigs the ''Ark'' to explode, which will kill all Autobots and Decepticons within it. As Tarantulas leaves the ''Ark'', Megatron emerges from the lava, now reconfigured into a dragon form by his plunge into the molten rock and the additional spark within him. Megatron burns the spider who betrayed him and tosses Tarantulas into a distant lava pool as punishment for failing.

Quickstrike, still piloting his armor, finds Blackarachnia and double-teams her using Optimus's body, which is still under his control. But with a well-placed blast, she causes the two giants to fall over each other. The fall frees Optimus, who remembers what he did under Quickstrike's control, and he and Blackarachnia head back into the Ark to prevent the devastation.

[[Image:BW_MasterBlaster_Megsflame.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Oh, this is really bold! So bold, it's not fit for human consumption!]]

Megatron finds Optimus, and the two enhanced transformers battle. While Blackarachnia tries to save the ''Ark'', Megatron shows off his new abilities against his most hated enemy. Blackarachnia saves the ''Ark'' with just a single second to spare. Optimus is then saved from Megatron by the combined firepower of the other Maximals, who force Megatron to retreat. But with the spark of the original Megatron still in his possession, Megatron has gained a new advantage in the Beast Wars.

{{-}}

==Quotes==
"Ah, sometimes deception is the better part of valor."
:—'''Megatron''', observing Waspinator's unwitting decoy attack on the Maximal base

"You'll live to regret this, crab legs." 
"I regret everything, my sweet. Struggle as much as you like, I enjoy it."
:—'''Blackarachnia''' as she struggles against '''Rampage'''

"Time to open me up a can of kick-keister!"
:—'''Quickstrike''', after being told to finish the other Maximals

"I can suffer your treachery, lieutenant, but not your incompetence!" 
(throws Tarantulas into the lava) 
"Treachery requires ''no'' mistakes."
:—'''Megatron''' reborn deals with '''Tarantulas'''

"Megatron does not yield... he ''conquers''!"
:—'''Megatron'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s response to Optimus Primal's demand for his surrender

"Did you think you could stand against the fury of ''both'' Megatrons?"
:—'''Megatron''' gloating to Optimus Primal

"Eight clicks to core implosion.... five.. four... three... two... one... core implosion aborted... all systems normal... have a nice day."
:—'''Teletraan I'''

==Stats==
'''Original airdate:''' March 1, 1999

'''Written by:''' [[Eric Torin]]

===Featured characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"
! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Maximals]]
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Predacons]]
! style="background:#FFEEB8" | Others
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] (1)
*[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] (8)
*[[Rattrap]] (9)
*[[Optimus Primal]] (10)
*[[Blackarachnia]] (11)
*[[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] (13)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] (2)
*[[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]] (3)
*[[Tarantulas]] (4)
*[[Waspinator]] (5)
*[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] (6)
*[[Dinobot II]] (7)
*[[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] (12)

| style="background:#FFEEB8" valign="top" |
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (14)

|}

==Other Notes==
* Although the toy is a [[Transmetal 2]] and has detailing consistent with the other Transmetal 2 figures, within the context of the story, Megatron's upgrade has not related to the [[Transmetal driver]] and never called a Transmetal 2 in the series. The stylistic difference from "Optimal Optimus" can be attributed to the lava, which Megatron likely wouldn't have survived had he not been in the process of being upgraded, as falling into lava killed [[Terrorsaur]] and [[Scorponok]].

===Continuity errors===
* It is unclear why Tarantulas and Quickstrike expected (''Beast Wars'') Megatron to expire in the lava, given Tarantulas suffers the same fate, but immediately climbs out of the lava moments later.
* Megatron is not shown putting Generation 1 Megatron's spark back in its body. Even at the end of the series, the spark was never shown again, nor was it even mentioned that it had been replaced. There is only Primal's statement that "all is as it should be" (made in "[[Nemesis Part 2]]") to go on. However, the spark's replacement ''was'' written into the "Nemesis" script and even animated{{m-}}it was simply cut for time from the final episode. A clip of this animation can be seen on BWTF.com's [http://bwtf.com/bw/tvshow/episodes/seasonthree/nem2/ page for this episode] and was included as an extra in Kid Rhino's DVD release of ''Beast Wars'' season 3.
* What is kind of odd is that Teletraan I counts down in clicks, which during the Beast Wars is a distant of measurement with cycles being the unit of time. It is unlikely that the measurements for time and distance would change within the 300 years after the Great War. But the writers might have gotten the units confused and didn't pay attention to it.
* The computer that Blackarachnia uses seems to have been designed for human-size figures, rather then the larger Autobot occupants.

===Transformers references===
* Well, there ''is'' [[Megatron (G1)|the original Megatron]], but he's only in [[stasis lock]].
* The bomb that Waspinator is holding at the start of the episode looks like Galvatron's fusion cannon.

===Real-world references===
* Megatron counts "Six little Maximals, I've almost collected the whole set!" several Transformer fans collect the [[Beast Wars (toyline)|toys]] - and many fans make a point to collect specifically the toys of characters appearing on the show.

* While revealing himself in his new form, Megatron cries out "Enter the dragon!", which is also the title of a [[Wikipedia:Enter the Dragon|Bruce Lee movie]].

* The title of the episode, "Master Blaster", is also the title of an old computer game, and a song by Stevie Wonder. However, it's clear from context that it primarily refers to the dwarf/giant duo from ''[[Wikipedia:Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome|Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome]]''.

===Trivia===

* The power-suit frame used by Quickstrike in this episode is later used by the [[Vok]] to create [[Primal Prime]] in the BotCon ''Wreckers'' storyline.

* In an early version of episode's plot, Megatron decided to steal and absorb the original Megatron's spark only after failing at another attempt to kill [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]].<ref>[[Beast Wars Universe]] ISBN 978-4766938005</ref>

==Reference==
<references/>


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The Gambler

2008-01-31T00:58:55Z

Liberal Noob:

{{episodenav|g1|season=2|31|prev=The Secret of Omega Supreme|next=Kremzeek!}}
{{episodenav|SRLFtoon|36|prev=The Secret of Omega Supreme|next=The Girl Who Loved Powerglide}}

'''On the return journey from Aron's world, the Autobots are captured by a gambling-addicted alien and trading away, leaving Smokescreen and the Autobot bounty hunter Devcon to rescue them.'''

*'''Japanese title:''' "Monacus, the Gambling World"

==Detailed synopsis==

{{-}}

==Stats==
'''Original airdate:''' November 11, 1985

'''Written by:''' [[Michael Charles Hill]]

===Featured characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)
Smokescreen rigs a slot machine when he gambles.

===Featured characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"
! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobots]]
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticons]]
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human|Humans]]
! style="background:#FFEEB8" | Others
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]]
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]
*[[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]]
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Devcon]]
| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]
*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]
| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
'''Regulars'''
*
'''Guests'''
*
| style="background:#FFEEB8" valign="top" |
*[[Slizardo]]
|}

==Notable quotes==

==Other notes==

===Animation and/or technical glitches===

===Continutity errors===

===Transformers references===

===Real-world references===

===Miscellaneous trivia===

===Keywords===
(''separate by commas and link each one so a page can be created for it if it does not already exist'')

{{epstub}}
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Hoist Goes Hollywood (episode)

2008-01-15T02:21:37Z

Liberal Noob:

{{episodenav|g1|season=2|39|prev=The Girl Who Loved Powerglide|next=The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1}}

Hoist get cast in a big Hollywood movie! Hijinks ensue.

==Detailed synopsis==

{{-}}

==Stats==
'''Original airdate:''' November 21, 1985

'''Written by:''' [[Earl Kress]]

===Featured Characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)
===Featured Characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"
! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobots]]
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticons]]
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human|Humans]]
! style="background:#FFEEB8" | Others
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*Hoist (1)
*Tracks (9)
*Warpath (10)
*Sunstreaker (11)
*Powerglide (12)
*Wheeljack (15)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*Durge (3)
*Starscream (4)
*Megatron (5)
*Astrotrain 6
*Ramjet (7)
*Thrust (8)
*Soundwave(13)
*Rumble (14)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
'''Regulars'''
*Spike (2)

'''Guests'''
*Michael Bay

| style="background:#FFEEB8" valign="top" |

|}

==Notable quotes==

==Other notes==

===Animation and/or technical glitches===

===Continutity errors===

===Transformers references===

===Real-world references===

===Miscellaneous trivia===
*Megatron is ''incredibly'' abusive toward Starscream in this episode...well, more than usual.

===Keywords===
(''separate by commas and link each one so a page can be created for it if it does not already exist'')

{{epstub}}

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Hoist Goes Hollywood (episode)

2008-01-15T02:19:00Z

Liberal Noob: /* Featured Characters */

{{episodenav|g1|season=2|39|prev=The Girl Who Loved Powerglide|next=The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1}}

Hoist get cast in a big Hollywood movie! Hijinks ensue.

==Detailed synopsis==

{{-}}

==Stats==
'''Original airdate:''' November 21, 1985

'''Written by:''' [[Earl Kress]]

===Featured Characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)
===Featured Characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"
! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobots]]
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticons]]
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human|Humans]]
! style="background:#FFEEB8" | Others
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*Hoist (1)
*Tracks (9)
*Warpath (10)
*Sunstreaker (11)
*Powerglide (12)
*Wheeljack (15)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*Durge (3)
*Starscream (4)
*Megatron (5)
*Astrotrain 6
*Ramjet (7)
*Thrust (8)
*Soundwave(13)
*Rumble (14)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
'''Regulars'''
*Spike (2)

'''Guests'''
*Michael Bay

| style="background:#FFEEB8" valign="top" |

|}

==Notable quotes==

==Other notes==

===Animation and/or technical glitches===

===Continutity errors===

===Transformers references===

===Real-world references===

===Miscellaneous trivia===
*Megatron is ''incredibly'' abusive toward Starscream in this episode...well, more than usual.

===Keywords===
(''separate by commas and link each one so a page can be created for it if it does not already exist'')

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