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==Caption edits==
Immediately going to adding caption jokes without other substantial article edits is typically frowned upon. Prowl prick jokes are also being let up on currently. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 01:31, 15 April 2026 (EDT)

==Stop blanking your Talk page==
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Official warning that blanking your User Talk page isn't allowed. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 20:32, 17 April 2026 (EDT)

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Please use the "'''Show preview'''" button that's to the right of the "Save page" button, so that way you can double check the page before you save it, and you're not cluttering up the Recent Changes page. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 23:44, 17 April 2026 (EDT)

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Please follow our standard formatting when creating new pages so others don't have to clean up. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:10, 18 April 2026 (EDT)

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The overwhelming majority of your edits are just adding captions. Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:17, 22 April 2026 (EDT)
:Ok,I'll hold off on captions for a while. Also, am I allowed to delete the warning messages, because I did once, then got in trouble for "Whitewashing my talk page" which I didn't mean to do, I just thought that the messages were a little messy and annoying, also, all other user's talk pages do not have these. (big fan of your image contribution by the way) -- [[User:WILL3462 PRIME|WILL3462 PRIME]] ([[User talk:WILL3462 PRIME|talk]]) 00:57, 22 April 2026 (EDT)
::You're ''not'' allowed to delete the warning messages exactly for the "no whitewashing" reason. As to why most other user talk pages don't have the same messages it's because they ''didn't'' need any warnings - some users have gotten warning banners on their user talk pages for various reasons. To wit, please stop and read the rules that's linked within the warning messages. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 01:03, 22 April 2026 (EDT)

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Airazor (ROTB)

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:''Airazor is a [[Maximal]] from the [[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts]] portion of the [[Movie continuity family]].''
[[File:ROTB Airazor render.jpg|right|thumb|350px|''Transformers'' movies are for the birds!]]

'''Airazor''' is a high-flying Maximal. Wise, compassionate, and selfless, she embodies the Maximals' mission of preserving life across the universe, and is willing to risk her own [[spark]] to honor that vow. Although no one has any record of seeing her transform outside of her [[beast mode]], her fearless demeanor and willingness to swoop into the face of imminent danger helps maintain her status as a brave, dignified, and vigilant protector of her team, allies, and friends, including [[Elena Wallace]], whom the Maximal scout had grown fond of for her great historical knowledge throughout their perilous adventure.

{{bigquote|His sacrifice will be our oath. To preserve the [[Transwarp Key|key]], no matter the cost.|Airazor upon [[Apelinq (ROTB)|Apelinq]]'s death|''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts]]''}}

==Fiction==
===''Rise of the Beasts'' film===
{{Voiceactor|[[Michelle Yeoh]] (English), [[Takako Honda]] (Japanese)|[[Dorothée|Frédérique "Dorothée" Hoschedé]] (European French), [[Nathalie Coupal]] (Canadian French), [[Rebeca Manriquez]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Rosa María Hernández]] (Spain Spanish), [[Arianne Borbach]] (German), [[Laura Romano]] (Italian), [[Rosa Maria Baroli]] (Brazilian Portuguese), [[Ewa Bułhak-Rewak]] (Polish)}}

[[File:ROTB-Airazortrailer.jpg|thumb|That's a bridge we'll burn when we get to it.]]

Airazor was among the Maximals under the command of [[Apelinq (ROTB)|Apelinq]] when [[Unicron]] arrived to devour their [[Jungle Planet (colony)|home]] and claim the [[Transwarp Key]]. She regrouped with Apelinq, [[Optimus Primal (ROTB)|Optimus Primal]], [[Cheetor (ROTB)|Cheetor]], and [[Rhinox (ROTB)|Rhinox]] as Unicron's army invaded, taking out one of the two [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[Scorponok (ROTB)|Scorponok]] drones pursing Apelinq with Primal. Apelinq declared he would hold the line against the approaching [[Scourge (ROTB)|Scourge]] and passed command to Primal, ordering the Maximals to flee to the stars to keep the Key out of Unicron's clutches. The Maximals were saddened by the sacrifice of their leader, but as they and others fled in a ship, Airazor affirmed that Apelinq's sacrifice, "no matter the cost" would become their oath.

Upon arriving on [[Earth]], the Maximals split the Key into two pieces to be kept by two groups for safekeeping, with Primal leading Cheetor and Rhinox to Peru while Airazor and a few others hid elsewhere. Due to unknown circumstances, her group did not last, leaving Airazor isolated, and, without contact with the other Maximals, led her to believe she was the last of her kind. Humanity noticed Airazor over the centuries and carved a statue in her likeness, which would hide Airazor's half of the Key. In 1994, the statue was unearthed and brought to a museum on Ellis Island in [[New York City]]. [[Elena Wallace]] quickly determined that the statue was not of any known human civilization and snuck into a lab after work to conduct her own research on it, which led to the statue crumbling to reveal the key fragment and unwittingly summon the [[Terrorcon (ROTB)|Terrorcons]]. Scourge soon arrived with [[Battletrap (ROTB)|Battletrap]] and [[Nightbird (ROTB)|Nightbird]] to claim the key fragment, and though they were successful, they decided to flee when Airazor arrived to reinforce the [[Autobot]]s led by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]. In the aftermath of the fight, Airazor gave the Autobots her condolences for the loss of [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] and explained the nature of the Terrorcons to Elena and [[Noah Díaz]], and that Scourge only had half of the Key thanks to the Maximals splitting it. Airazor gently asked Elena to lead them to the site of the second key fragment once she realized the young woman had deciphered clues to it.

[[File:ROTB_Elena_and_Airazor.jpg|left|thumb|Every post-apocalyptic gang of survivors has that one guy who hides that they got bitten by a zombie.]]

The next day, Airazor flew to Peru alongside the Autobots and humans who rode aboard [[Stratosphere]]. She helped monitor Noah and Elena's infiltration of the nearby city to get to the second key fragment, only for the Terrorcons to attack. As the battle went poorly for the Autobots once again, Airazor used her fire breath to destroy a bridge and forcibly stopped a further duel between Prime and Scourge. However, the Terrorcon leader thought fast and successfully shot Airazor with a portion of Unicron's dark energy, which slowly rotted her body and began to corrupt her. Airazor nonetheless arrived in time to defuse a standoff between the Autobots and her old Maximal comrades, who she was delighted to see again, but grimly reported she was all that was left of her detachment of Maximals. Elena noticed the growing corruption on her wing, but Airazor insisted she would be okay, despite the corruption beginning to affect her mind. After the group made camp as a human village allied with Primal, Airazor spoke to him privately. Primal admitted that Prime wasn't who he expected, but Airazor pointed out that they both had lost so much, and that Primal likely would act the same if he had another chance to save their planet from Unicron.

[[File:ROTB infected Airazor.jpg|thumb|'''''WHY''''' '''HAVE YOU COME?!''']]

By morning, unfortunately, Airazor finally succumbed to Scourge's corruption and attacked the humans. She kidnapped Elena in order to deliver the last key fragment to Scourge, who then set her after her comrades. Airazor violently engaged Primal, who was able to use his bulk and strength to grab her in a crushing embrace. Though Primal was distressed at what needed to be done, Airazor assured him it was okay and ordered him to do it. Primal reluctantly complied, crushing Airazor's spark and finally giving her peace again. As the others arrived, and Elena, Cheetor, and Rhinox grieved the loss of their friend, Primal morosely stood over his friend's corpse, resolutely repeating their oath, "no matter the cost." Airazor would later be avenged when Prime killed Scourge in battle and prevented Unicron from claiming another world and with it the Transwarp Key. {{storylink|Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts}}

{{note|Airazor's involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the books "[[Mission at the Museum]]" and "[[The Search Is On]]".}}
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==Toys==
===''Studio Series''===
[[File:TF-Studio-Series-SS-97-Deluxe-ROTB-Airazor.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|SS Concept Art before it was cool]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m1|'''Airazor''' (Deluxe Class, [[2023]])}}</ul>
:*''Movie'': '''''Rise of the Beasts'''''
:*''Hasbro ID number'': '''97'''
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SS-107'''
:*''Accessories'': 2 photon blasters, "Peruvian Jungle Discovery" backdrop (1st version)
{{toydesigner|[[Evan Brooks]] (Hasbro), [[Yūya Ōnishi]] (TakaraTomy)<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Evan worked with Yuyu-san on Airazor design; built conversion similar to Kingdom. No reused parts from Kingdom Airazor. #Transformers|link=https://twitter.com/TFU_INFO/status/1622693246978691084|name=TFU liveblog of ''Transformers'' brand team roundtable|site=Twitter|day=06|month=02|year=2023}}</ref>}}

: Released as part of the nineteenth wave of ''[[Studio Series]]'' Deluxe Class figures, Airazor transforms into a mechanical peregrine falcon in twenty-three steps, sharing the transformation engineering of the prior [[Airazor (BW)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|''Kingdom'' Airazor]] toy. As such, she includes two "photon blasters" which can be handheld or mount on her forearms via [[5 mm post|5 mm ports]]; these parts remain there in beast mode because this toy lacks the hip ports ''Kingdom'' Airazor used for storage. In robot mode, the bird head restricts Airazor's waist rotation if properly tabbed in. Her backdrop showcases where the Autobots and Maximals first meet.

: Airazor's official robot mode stock picture is mistransformed, with the robot feet not being turned around. This error is also carried over to the way she is packaged in box. The box renders also feature a much darker color scheme with dark brown and black plastics compared to the champagne gold of the final product, as well as omitting the silver Maximal symbol on her right forearm.

: As with all ''Studio Series Rise of the Beasts'' figures, Airazor is based on concept art and is one of the more inaccurate ''Studio Series'' toys compared to her final design, including a robot mode design not seen in the film.

: Hasbro revealed the figure on [[January 17]], 2023. A minor packaging variant of Airazor was repacked in Wave 22, no longer using plastic-free packaging.
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===''Buzzworthy Bumblebee''===
[[File:TF-ROTB-Mainline-Deluxe-Class-Airazor.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Just needs some [[Stiletto (BW)|stilettoes]] to complete the look.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1m1|'''Bumblebee / Airazor / Autobot Mirage''' (Jungle Mission 3-pack, July 2023)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': 2 swords
{{toydesigner|[[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)}}

: Included as part of the second [[Target]]-exclusive ''[[Buzzworthy Bumblebee]]'' "Jungle Mission 3-pack", this Airazor is another Deluxe Class iteration of the character. She converts into a very well-proportioned mechanical peregrine falcon using a different transformation scheme, with the bulk of her wings becoming her robot legs. As a result, her bird wings are not as articulated as her ''Kingdom/Studio Series'' counterparts, remaining static aside from a simple flapping motion. Playing around with the joints can allow for more poses, such as a [https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/img_20230606_114029-jpg.29969830/ perching position]. Untabbing her bird head also allows for a neck turn, though this version lacks an opening beak.

: She includes two small swords for her robot mode to wield. They can store on her wings in both modes. Though not shown explicitly in the instructions, the feathers on the back of her legs can fit all the way into the groove, where it will softly lock into place.

: The Maximal symbol on Airazor's chest/bird noggin tends to be [[tampograph|printed]] on rather haphazardly, usually rotated counterclockwise by about five to ten degrees. Airazor is also misassembled: her upper bicep pieces are on the wrong side. As the parts use ball joints and mushroom pegs, they can be swapped so the details on the upper arm line up properly.

: This set also includes [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Rise of the Beasts|Bumblebee]] and [[Mirage (Movie)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Mirage]].
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===''Rise of the Beasts''===
[[File:TF-ROTB-Deluxe-Airazor-Single.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Solo Leveling]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m1|'''Airazor''' (Deluxe Class, 2023)}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy name'': '''Deluxe Class Airazor'''
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''BD-03'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[May 27]], 2023
:*''Accessories'': 2 swords
{{toydesigner|[[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)}}

: Outside of the United States and Canada, the Airazor from the ''Buzzworthy Bumblebee'' Jungle Mission 3-pack was available individually at general retail under [[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (toyline)|''Rise of the Beasts'']] packaging. It was first sighted at UK retail.

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[[File:TF-ROTB-Battlemaster-Airazor.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush– especially if it turns into a gun]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m1|'''Airazor''' (Beast Battle Masters, 2023)}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy name'': '''Kakusei Weapon Airazor'''
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''BW-05'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': October 28, 2023

: Part of the third wave of Beast Battle Masters, Airazor is a little bird with a 4-inch wingspan. Unlike the other Beast Battle Masters, she features two weapon modes: a crossbow blaster and a shield-blaster combo. Airazor has a [[5 mm post]] that allows her weapon modes to be used by other figures, which can also be used to attach her bird mode to compatible ports. The barrel of her blaster is also a 5 mm hole, making her compatible with numerous [[Fire Blast effect]]s.

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==Merchandise==
===Figural Bag Clip===
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m1|'''Airazor''' (2023)}}</ul>

:Released by Monogram, this 2.5" 3D foam bag clip takes the form of a chibi ''Rise of the Beasts'' Airazor in falcon mode.

:It was available only as part of a [[Blindpacking|mystery blind bag]] collection.

===Kross Studio===
[[File:KrossStudioROTBAirazorWatch.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|You can't afford this.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m1|'''''Transformers: Rise of the Beasts'' Collector Set''' (2023)}}</ul>

: To celebrate the release of ''Rise of the Beasts'', watchmaking manufacturer Kross Studio partnered with Hasbro to make a 10-piece limited edition tourbillon watch designed with many elements taken from the film and its visual identity, such as green highlights, the Maximal insignia, [[Cybertronix]] symbols and Incan-inspired engravings.

: The watch comes enclosed inside a perfectly-sculpted replica of the Airazor artifact as seen in the film, intentionally replicating the resting place of the first half of the Transwarp Key to be found. The replica features a pressure mechanism on its head that opens and closes its "wings" to reveal the watch bathed in a green LED light.

: This item sells for 98,000 Swiss Francs, which is, as of early 2025... just a bit under '''''$111,000 USD'''''. Yes, ''one hundred and eleven thousand dollars''. Which quite possibly makes this THE most expensive piece of ''Transformers'' merchandise ever made.

::*''[https://web.archive.org/web/20230614164801/http://kross-studio.ch/en/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-collector-set/overview More information on the Kross Studio Collector Set at kross-studio.ch]'' (Wayback Machine)
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===''Pop!''===
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m1|'''Airazor''' (2023)}}</ul>
:*''ID number:'' '''1379'''

:Released as part of a ''Rise of the Beasts''-themed batch of the ''Pop! Movies'' segment and as a [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2023 exclusive, [[Funko Pop!|Funko]]'s ''Pop!'' Airazor is a super deformed vinyl figure of the character flying in falcon mode supported by a translucent stand.
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==Notes==
[[File:ROTBcap-Airazor-CU.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|We thought the feathered look was more an '80s thing.]]
* Airazor's design evidently changed after her merchandise was ready for production, as none of the toys developed for ''Rise of the Beasts'' feature the movie's beast mode design, which is a lot more feathery than the toys' smoother, metallic form. The final head is actually based on a golden eagle instead of a peregine falcon.<ref name=VFX>{{citesocial|link=https://twitter.com/RassoulEdji/status/1860022176356925505|name=Rassoul Edji
|site=Twitter|year=2024|month=11|day=22|}}</ref>
* She has [[Cybertronix]] text across her body, such as on her chest which reads "In the absence of light, darkness prevails".<ref name=VFX/>
* Airazor was not intended to have a robot mode in the film, to the point not even concept art for it is known to exist.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=We never received any concept art for her robot form as it was decided very early on in the films development that she wouldn’t have one - before any filming or VFX work had started.|link=https://twitter.com/RassoulEdji/status/1860385817165721839|name=Rassoul Edji|site=Twitter|year=2024|month=11|day=23}}</ref> The toy designers had to come up with ones for the toys.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://news.tfw2005.com/2023/07/28/sdcc-2023-hasbro-show-floor-qa-legacy-studio-series-video-games-more-488215|site=TFW2005.com|title=SDCC 2023 Hasbro Show Floor Q&A|year=2023|month=07|day=28}}</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Airazor''' (エアレイザー ''Eareizā'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Fēi Jiàn''' (飞箭, "Flying Arrow"), '''Shényīng''' (神鷹, "Condor")
*''Hungarian:'' '''Légpenge''' ("Air Blade")<ref>The name is likely the result of an oversight. Most of the robot names in ''Rise of the Beasts'' were taken from the Hungarian translation of the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|G1 Marvel comics]] and the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|Kingdom]]'' animated series. The film's translator was working with an incomplete Wikipedia list of name translations which neglected to include Airazor's ''Kingdom'' name ''Légszelő'' ("Air Slicer"), and she was thus given a new name for the film.</ref>

==References==
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[[Category:Female Transformers]]
[[Category:Rise of the Beasts Maximals]]
[[Category:Studio Series Maximals]]
[[Category:Target exclusives]]

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Lonegamer78: Undo revision 1909575 by Thinbot (talk) No whitewashing your Talk Page.

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The similarity notes made between [[Treadshot (G1)]] and the "357 Magnum Robo" toy, along with noted similarity between [[Over-Run (G1)]] and [[Quickstrike (Energon)]], were incredibly useful to me. I thought I would return the favor by finding a way to share the obvious (to me) similarity between Powerflash and [[Blitzwing (BB)]]. Looks like I failed on both attempts -- sorry.
Thanks for helping to keep the Wiki tidy.
You may wish to check my other recent additions and ax those if they are also unacceptable:
Dirtbag's alt mode strongly resembles a Terex 33-11 (exact Terex model identified by counting the "ribs" on the dump bed).
Quickmix (G1)'s alt mode strongly resembles the Hino cement mixer from that era.
Scoop (G1)'s alt mode loosely resembles a Volvo BM 1240, matching the design of the lift arms and cab side windows. {{unsigned|Thinbot|2025-06-19T09:19}}

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==The Thirteen and the other conversation we've been waiting for==

Over the last few years, the Thirteen have played a major role in multiple ''Transformers'' stories. However, this prominence—combined with Hasbro's increasingly loose approach their in-universe lore—has also led to increasingly divergent portrayals of the group and its individual members.

Around 2015, we took the step of consolidating all the different incarnations of the Thirteen on one page for each, with the rationale that the characters were former [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]], and mostly shared similar backstories and personalities between incarnations. However, even at the time, this was not a completely ideal comporomise. Most notably, the various [[Alpha Trion]]s were not consolidated into one, partly due to length and partly because the existence of his [[Alpha Trion#Shattered Glass|murderously insane evil counterpart]] represented a massive contradiction to the entire notion.

However, over the years, multiple authors have drastically reinterpreted the Thirteen and their story. The role of "Thirteenth Prime" has been filled by multiple contradictory characters—[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]], [[Zeta Prime (One)|Zeta Prime]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]—and individual depictions of the Primes themselves have grown increasingly divergent. "Shattered Glass" Alpha Trion is no longer the outlier, but rather an increasing trend: for instance, ''Transformers One'' features a completely heroic Megatronus who never becomes The Fallen, a Liege Maximo that looks nothing like Loki, and an incarnation of Nexus Prime that does not seem to be a combiner. With these data points in mind—and the potential for even further divergence in the coming years—I and several other editors feel that it may be time to reorganize our Thirteen coverage, splitting them out into individual [[continuity family]]-based incarnations the way we would for stock characters like [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)|Bumblebee]], etc.

However, if we do adopt this approach, some further problems would need to be solved.

* '''How do we handle toys?''' With a few exceptions like ''Revenge of the Fallen'' The Fallen, the toys of the Thirteen are clearly meant to be somewhat continuity-agnostic. ''Age of the Primes'' Solus Prime is about as faithful to her depiction in ''The Covenant of Primus'' as it is to ''One'' or any of the IDW comics in which she appears. Even if we count them as "repurposes" across multiple pages, the format of the wiki means they'd have to be based ''somewhere''...

* '''FunPub stuff''': The Vector Prime of "Ask Vector Prime" is clearly meant to be a version of the same Vector Prime who appeared in the ''Cybertron'' cartoon, but at the same time makes reference to off-camera events, such as a time when he and the Thirteen lived in Ancient Greece—would we make a separate "FunPub" page for the Thirteen, or try and work these events onto Unicron Trilogy pages when necessary? Other similar problems exist: "[[Coalescence]]" is a story that features a movie universe Fallen jumping into the world of ''Shattered Glass'', and AVP established that "The Evil One" of GoBots fame, is another alternate-universe incarnation of The Fallen/Megatronus.

Feedback on this proposal is appreciated! [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:50, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:From my point of view, I think as it stands right now my thoughts on the Thirteenth Prime stuff is that I absolutely understand the concerns, but for me personally it kind of falls into the same view as like, IDW Primus being Rung, which I think our current model handles fairly well. For the other Primes, I'm tempted to say that like...as it stands, there's about as much divergence there as like, Unicron as he's depicted in The Last Knight (not really shown to be aggressive beyond being called Cybertron's enemy), and as it stands right now, I don't think that's enough to say there should be a full-on split, but I do think it's worth thinking about future-proofing. And I suppose my main concern right now about pushing ahead too soon is in the event there's some fiction accompanying the Age of the Primes stuff; certainly, the fact that we're getting a toy of the Fallen with the Megatronus name but with the original Dreamwave design does make me hesitant that there might be some further consolidation of disparate elements; and I remember that last time we did this in the early 2010s was that we figured the idea of the Aligned Primes not having any connections to the others was going to be the standard going forward, which turned out not to be the case, and I figure it might be worth considering if something like that happens again. But! I am open to ideas of how to implement this if we do go for it; I think the suite options we have for Primus and Unicron work perfectly fine if we go for something like that. Just figure it's worth considering the stuff I've brought up here first. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:35, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Right now, I'm leaning toward the camp of not splitting them out for all the reasons you've given. I look at our current situation and, while not perfect, I feel that things can be tidied up simply with some "Conceptual history" sections for the pages that need them. The aforementioned Vector Prime is a particular case not just for everything stated about him above, but because [[Vector Prime: In the Beginning|his very first Fub Pub appearance]] written by [[Forest Lee]] leans so heavily far into the multiversal aspect of the character that it doesn't treat him like he is a native to the Cybertron cartoon universe but rather to the whole multiverse itself. Similarly, Nexus Prime was also continuity-agnostic by his very nature from the ground up. The safest solution for splitting him out would be to classify his Fun Pub incarnation under "(Timelines)" (the previous "(Classics)" tag we had him under was bleh), but that's typically a last-resort tag we have tried to avoid in the past.
::Regarding The Fallen, while he does tend to be evil in a majority of his depictions, and has had a few outlier cases where he either didn't go bad at all (TF One) or was the victim of other's manipulations (Covenant), it's implied that the majority of those evil versions weren't always evil from the start, and only went bad later. The TF One version of Megatronus never turned to the dark side, but one could argue that he was murdered before he ever would have gotten the chance to. ;-)
::Regarding the Thirteenth Prime and various conflicting the depictions, we solved that issue by simply creating the "[[Thirteenth Prime]]" article to explain everything there.
::You mention the situation with Alpha Trion, and I get it. The biggest reasons for simply not merging all of his pages together were that A) he was never originally meant to be one of the Thirteen since the original Dreamwave-based lore for the Thirteen had them all die before A3 was even born, and B) his Shattered Glass self. I used to be a proponent for keeping all of his versions separate because of A, but in the time since then we've had more and more depictions of him as a 13er who were all still pretty much the same as his traditional pre-Aligned depictions. If we were to merge all of his versions together, a "Conceptual history" section for him could explain the whole "Sometimes he's a 13er, sometimes he's not" situation.
::BUT, there still remains his SG version, which I wouldn't feel comfortable putting on the same page as his other versions. Reaching back to the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3F original discussion] about how to handle the SG characters, I find myself still agreeing with those like Steve-o who pointed out how awkward "'''Continuity X''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Continuity Y''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of different but still funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Shattered Glass''': Bumblebee is hardcore evil and wants to kill you for no particular reason. '''Continuity Z''': Bumblebee loves humans and does yet another set of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe." reads as a page. But, there is one thing we have nowadays that we did not have back when that original discussion was held and makes me wonder how differently the conversation might have gone if they had existed back then: Subpages. Looking at our [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] articles, I find it to be a very fair and workable compromise that their respective SG versions are placed not on their respective main pages but as subpages for each. Doing the same for SG Alpha Trion were we to merge all of the non-SG A3's together could be a valid solution too, in my eyes. Unlike others, I don't see subpages as an annoying evil that much be dealt with and eliminated, but as a handy tool to work around tricky situations like this.
::Had they even existed back then, it's very possible that ALL SG characters may have ended up on subpages for their positive polarity counterparts instead of separate pages entirely. And since then, SG has grown to expand not just beyond the original Fun Pub SG G1 continuity but to other non-G1 SG continuities, like for the Movies, Animated, and Cybertron, forcing us to create such unsightly tags as "(SG Movie)", "(SG Animated)", and "(SG Cybertron)", when subpages could have prevented that with "(Movie)/Shattered Glass" or "(Animated)/Shattered Glass" and so on.
::But, I'm getting off topic. Backing up to the Thirteen, I'm for keeping the Thirteen together. In addition to what all I've said above, the Age of the Primes toys seem to be treating them as the standard or definitive versions of the Thirteen that apply for every version/universe/continuity, pulling from all across the board rather than sticking to a single depicted version of them. Prima has his Aligned body but the Sunbow Powerful Robot's head. The Fallen is just the Dreamwave design but with Aligned Megatronus's weapons from the books and RID 2015 cartoon. Micronus is likely to be based on his RID 2015 design which was itself based on the Aligned design. The statue group artwork makes Amalgamous looks more like his TF One design than his Aligned design. Vector Prime is just straight-up Cybertron Vector Prime. And Star Convoy was never one of the Thirteen in any version before now. Yet, all these disparately-sourced designs are being treated as if they all belong to the same group no matter what continuity they come from. So keeping them together as they are would just make it easier for us to not have to split hairs over which versions of which 13ers these are supposed to be when the answer would simply be "all of the above" (and we wouldn't have to put multiple entries of the same toy on, like, six or seven different characters' pages that would have to maintained equally across all of those pages). This model makes this particular version of the group feel inherently multiversal, with each member either originating from a different universe as each other, or being a multiversal hybrids comprised of different aspects of different versions of them from across the dimensions, as if Hasbro is trying to say that the AOTP versions represent *every* version of the Thirteen (minus Star Optimus, of course, since we know he's not a member in every version of this group). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:01, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::As somebody who's pushed for this split for a long time, I'm obviously all for it. I feel we can easily determine where the toys go based on their main inspirations (Fallen is G1 Dreamwave, Micronus is Aligned RID, etc) are or just make the links go to the G1 pages (since G1 is effectively the wastebasket taxon of this franchise anyway). For the FunPub stuff, we can either do it Sideways style or just do it like we do for Kre-O and ancillary stuff: place them based on the characterization/design used by the work. Multiversal Vector Prime is pretty much just Cybertron Vector Prime (and the TransTech incarnation from the last portion of AVP can be split out).
:::I am pretty much opposed to "subpages" because that is just duplicating the parentheses system we already have just for the sake of pedantry. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:03, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::Fully agree with both Escargon and Sabrblade, and their reasoning. I am biased against splits pretty much as a matter of cause, but the Thirteen ''in particular'' have for most of their history (including now, in the continuity-agnostic ''Age of the Primes!)'' been defined by their multiversal nature. I just don't think a split would be helpful. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 16:05, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::So we need to wait five years of more non-multiversal stories to have this discussion again? That doesn't make sense. The COP version of the Thirteen weren't characterized as singularities in the first place, regardless; only FunPub cared about that aspect (and not even with the usual lineup we have now) and they tossed it because they realized it was an unworkable concept in this franchise and it's unlikely to ever get resurrected. It's been nearly a decade since the Shroud (the concept only existed from 2009-2015). You bring up AOTP but toylines clearly don't and never thought about those characters in terms of our organizational schema. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:19, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I think we can probably leave the most of the old content together, since it might be a mess to split them apart and much of that content is based on the Covenant mythos anyway. I feel new iterations of the Thirteen (post-POTP?) should get their own pages, like ''Earthspark'' Quintus and the ''One'' Primes (particularly Megatronus since he's quite different). Though I suppose that begs the question of what to use in the parentheses for their current pages... —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 13:10, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::How much of it is actually sticking to the Covenant? IDW1 had them be regular guys and some pre-Covenant stuff (notably Megatronus/Fallen) is more prominent for the character and not really compatible. Other Aligned stuff has also influenced other "continuity families", but we're not merging those articles, so I don't really see why this is different regarding the Thirteen. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:49, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I’m against splitting pages, mostly because The Thirteen haven’t had enough drastic and unique depictions of them to stop “breaking the rules” for them and give them split pages.
::> The Thirteen haven’t followed the traditional convention of “every character gets a new page for that universe’s depiction”, mostly because of the whole multiversal singularity issue. Now while that concept isn’t used in fiction anymore, ''Age of the Primes'' seems to lean towards having a standard, continuity-agnostic depiction of the Thirteen from which future teams can use as the foundation of their depictions.
::> Escargon and Sabrblade make some good points regarding subpages, particularly with the example of the standard '''“Primus = God”''' and '''Rung (G1)''' incarnations. Rung is a distinct and unique take on the Primus character whose backstory is incompatible with virtually every other Primus incarnation, so placing him on the same page as the Primus of the Marvel Comics, or Cybertron, or the Aligned continuity, wouldn’t seem right.
::> ''The Covenant of Primus'' has been the foundation of every depiction of the Thirteen since it was released. Certain things might be modified, such as the 2005 IDW’s take on them, but even those Primes still follow certain story beats: Megatronus kills Solus, Liege Maximo is a manipulator, Prima’s role as the leader and his conflict with Megatronus, etc. ''One'' offers a depiction of the Thirteen who don’t enter a War of the Primes situation, but because we don’t really get any more information about them besides how they died, I wouldn’t say that they’re distinct enough or important enough to warrant their own pages.
::> Then there’s the fact that a lot of the Primes either have had very small roles or haven’t had any real importance to the franchise in several years: '''Micronus'''’s last big role was a few episodes in ''Robots in Disguise'' and a clever tie-in to the Microspace of the 2005 IDW universe. '''Onyx'''’s only big role was in the ''Covenant'', mostly thanks to '''[[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|this guy]]''' taking his place in another universe. Onyx has a few mentions in ''Cyberverse'', but I don’t think that alone should be the reason for splitting his page up. '''Nexus Prime''' and '''Vector Prime''' haven’t really done anything notable since the Shroud. '''Solus Prime''' has seen some prominence thanks to IDW's Caminus and ''Power of the Primes'', but those depictions again don’t stray too far from the ''Covenant''. '''Amalgamous Prime''' has had virtually no exploration as a character. The most we’ve gotten for him is a much easier-to-look-at design in ''One''.
::> Character-wise, story-wise… they’re all still heavily based on the ''Covenant''. Even '''Quintus Prime'''’s ''Earthspark'' depiction (with his more human-looking face) is based on his “Johnny Appleseed, made the Quintessons” lore established from the ''Covenant''. Now if we had a full group of the Thirteen from a Shattered Glass universe or had some “What-If?” incarnations of the characters that made them very different… splitting pages would make more sense to me.
::> A lot of the Thirteen have also maintained a consistent visual look to them since their introduction: all the Primes introduced in the Covenant have kept their look (Alchemist’s Lenses, Onyx’s face, Solus’ hair and color scheme), and every version of Megatronus seems to have a Decepticon insignia face, flames, and/or both. While ''One'' may have changed some color schemes (Liege Maximo missing his green), I don’t think just having a different color scheme and nothing else different warrants a new page.
::> I like the idea of conceptual history sections for now, and as I said on ''The Fallen''’s talk page, I think the beginning to his page needs a general rewrite from its “frozen in 2009” version. But until drastic new interpretations of those characters are created, if a member of the Thirteen has a single page… we should keep it as a single page --[[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 16:33, 7 December 2024 (EST)
: Splitting them would simply be a bigger headache. They're rather like Primus and Unicron where they're "bigger picture" characters (only this time around designed ''very specifically'' to '''''be''''' as such) and it's best to treat them as such, and really, there's not enough material to BOTHER splitting for most of them. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Since it's related to this subject, it should probably also be mentioned here that there have recently been two discussions happening on the talk page for [[The Fallen]]. One about changing that article's mainpic and the other about moving the page's name to Megatronus. As of now, nothing has come out of either discussion, but I feel the results of this a bigger discussion may have an effect on either of those two smaller ones. Speaking as one who is in favor of not splitting out the Thirteen, my thoughts on these two smaller topics are that a good compromise would be to keep the article at its current name since many Megatronuses still become The Fallen, but replace the mainpic with The Fallen's Age of the Primes toy packaging art (as it depicts him in his original first body from Dreamwave but armed with his now-signature weapons from Aligned media, serving as a sort of visual overview for the character's history), along with a rewrite of his intro at the top of the page to be more all-encompassing, and the inclusion of a new "Conceptual history" section to give a proper overview of his different depictions. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm going to second this. I've mulled it over a little bit and while there is an argument to be made for splitting them out, I feel that 12 of the 13 primes really don't warrant it. They just haven't had as much an impact on the story and while it could be future proofing to split them, until we get prominent appearances from them I don't think it's a viable option right now. Megatronus is clearly the exception to this rule. I don't know if there's a clean solution to dealing with him at the moment. Part of me thinks maybe we should suite out the Movie and RiD versions since those are his too big appearences to date. At the bare minimum though I think we should use either his Dreamwave or Age of Primes art as the mainpic. It's his first body and I think it's influenced more designs than his RoTF design has. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 22:57, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::Erm, no. Neither his Movie or RiD sections (certainly not the latter) are big enough to warrant subpages for either. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:57, 8 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm also of the opinion that a split would be a massive hassle for very little gain, but I do feel we should move The Fallen to Megatronus. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:54, 8 December 2024 (EST)
::::To me, renaming the page to Megatronus feels like renaming an Optimus Prime page to Orion Pax. The name was created to tell us what he was called ''before'' he became The Fallen, like how Orion Pax was what Optimus was called before he became Optimus Prime. TF One Megatronus never became The Fallen but he's an anomaly, not a new standard. As of now, the only impact TF One Megatronus has had on the brand is the official reveal video for Age of the Primes describing the very Dreamwave/Aligned-based AOTP version as "the most powerful Prime," while also putting a grim, pronounced emphasis on "The Fallen" when referring to him as "Megatronus... The Fallen". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:16, 8 December 2024 (EST)
::::: '''Yes''' to changing The Fallen's mainpic back to the DW-style character design, huge-ass '''No''' to changing the page name; the Optimus/Orion comparison is spot-on. (And as to below... yes. The Thirteen are absolutely "set dressing that walks like a man" and best to approach them as such.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:11, 8 December 2024 (EST)

:After meditating upon this a while I think I've come to agree with the broad majority above that splitting each member of the Thirteen would hurt more than it would help. The way I see it what we should be striving for here is the approach that involves the least "hallucinating data" within our organizational system, and splitting will require making a lot of different calls on what "counts" to formulate micro-characterizations for dozens of serial continuity transplants, none of which do much individually, while obfuscating the larger context they are gesturing towards. Fundamentally what we may be running up against here is that the closest most of these guys have to a true "home continuity" as we typically think of it is... the brand bible. They are set dressing that walks like a man.

:To go one step further, if we want to talk future-proofing I would advocate formalizing the approach of treating them as a squad of mini-Unicrons/Primuses such that:

::1) My suggestion for the issues currently plaguing the Fallen (and to a lesser degree Trion) would be to make "Conceptual History" sections more or less standard issue across the board for the Thirteen, laying out swerves in characterization and appearance as they happened rather than trying to pry them apart ''or'' smoosh them together.

::2) I think it's worth revisiting merging Alpha Trion for consistency. In the decade+ since Prime cludged him into the lineup, Alpha Trion has consistently appeared as a member of the Thirteen, an insubstantial cameo, or both in pretty much every continuity he's appeared, and looking backwards I cannot help but notice that the fact that there's next to no meaningful daylight between his depictions has been the running gag of his [[Alpha Trion|disambiguation page]] since day one. If Shattered Glass remains a sticking point the Unicron/Primus style suite split approach is a reasonable compromise.

:I wouldn't say I'm married to any of this and counter-counter-proposals are welcome, but that's my two cents. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:08, 8 December 2024 (EST)
:I think just put a line at the end of the fallens intro article that says "while mostly a bad guy, there exists at least one universe (link to TF one section) where he's managed to defy all logic and be...good for once).[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:53, 8 December 2024 (EST)

I'm for splitting the Thirteen, for the same reasons Saix gave. If that doesn't work, I think the versions of Alpha Trion should be merged. It's the inconsistency that drives me batty. [[User:Boingus|--Boingus]] ([[User talk:Boingus|talk]]) 22:12, 8 December 2024 (EST)

===Checkpoint? (01/18/2025)===
This topic seems to have gotten as much interaction as it's going to get, so to take stock before it falls off the agenda completely:

:*'''Votes for splitting the Thirteen across the board:''' 4 (Locoman, Saix, BlueJayWarrior, Boingus)
:*'''Votes against:''' 8 (Escargon, Sabrblade, Wadapan, Daytonjhammon, M Sipher, Exim93, Dark T Zeratul, AzimuthAcolyte)

That seems like a pretty resounding 2:1 "no," but the discussion also generated some possible compromises/suggestions for future-proofing:

:*'''Votes for more widespread use of "Conceptual History" sections:''' 3 (Sabrblade, Daytonjhammon, AzimuthAcolyte)
:*'''Votes to merge Alpha Trion (with potential SG suite) for consistency:''' 3 (Sabrblade, AzimuthAcolyte, Boingus)

Lastly it generated some cross-bleed from the debates on [[Talk:The Fallen|The Fallen's talk page]] about some updates now that we're 16 years out from his [[live-action film series]] star turn:

1) Moving the page to "Megatronus":
:*'''For:''' 1 (Dark T Zeratul)
:*'''Against:''' 2 (Sabrblade, M Sipher)

2) Swapping back to a Dreamwave-style mainpic:
:*'''For:''' 3 (Sabrblade, Ezim93, M Sipher)

If anyone wants to try to resuscitate the mega-split speak now. If not, thoughts on the compromise proposals?

The Fallen discussion should probably return to his own page. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:33, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:My stances remain unchanged on all of the above. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:55, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::I'd be fine with splitting, but if we don't, we ''absolutely'' need to merge the Alpha Trions. There's no good justification for the others being together and him being split.
::As for the Fallen... I feel the need to point out that it's not ''just'' One Megatronus that didn't use the name. EVERY toyline and piece of media in the last decade — RID15, the Prime Wars cartoons, the POTP toy, the offhand mentions in Cyberverse — have used "Megatronus", completely dropping the idea that he stopped being Megatronus and became the Fallen. It's evidently how Hasbro thinks of the character; the Studio Series toy provides plenty of evidence that they ''could'' have just called the AOTP toy "The Fallen" if they'd wanted to. -[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 15:51, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::I am also pro-merging Alpha Trions with a SG subpage along the lines of what we do for Primus and Unicron. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:11, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::::I disagree that we need to put SG Trion on a separate page. Just have his Shattered Glass section open with "In the mirror universe of Shattered Glass, Alpha Trion was..." --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:58, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::::I'm pro merging Alpha Trion as well and adding conceptual history. Fallen/Megatronus discussion I'm good with taking back to his page. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 16:20, 18 January 2025 (EST)

:Here's my 5 cents. We are under no obligation to be consistent with how we treat the members of the Thirteen. If it makes sense for the characters, we can have Alpha Trions on separate pages because he has a long rich history of appearances in wide and varied media, including media in which he is not a member of the Thirteen, and we can also have Amalgamous Prime on one page because he doesn't. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:48, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::I'm in agreement with this. "Consistency" is nice until it isn't, and merging Alpha's pages... isn't. I feel like that's just gonna result in a clusterfuck. "Conceptual history" is fine to add, but frankly I feel like only like... maybe only a third of the 13 would even ''need'' it. There's really not a lot to most of these. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:07, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::I'm curious what would be the negative result of merging Alpha Trion's pages. The thing is that they ''are'' basically all identical barring the Shattered Glass version, and even that one is functionally the same guy, just evil. RID01, Energon, Animated and ROTF Alpha Trion are all footnotes, which just leaves us with G1 Trion (sometimes of the Thirteen), Aligned Trion (of the Thirteen), Cyberverse Trion (of the Thirteen) and One Trion (of the Thirteen). Is there some complicating factor that I'm missing...? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:38, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::: Honestly, I think this just sold me on the idea of merging all the Alpha Trion pages, including the Shattered Glass version, into one page. A Conceptual History section could explain his development from sage to member of the Thirteen, with a paragraph about his Shattered Glass version. [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 00:02, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:::::As I stated above, I used to be firmly against the idea of the Alpha Trions being merged, because of the facts that he wasn't originally supposed to be one of the Thirteen (a ship that has long since sailed), he was never a singularity like the other 13ers were (which no longer matters at all now since that concept was done away with), and he has a Shattered Glass version (but so too do Primus and Unicron, now, and their pages have set a good workable precedent for how to deal with SG versions of "set dressing characters" like them and the Thirteen). But now, as time goes on, the more it begins to feel like we're just keeping the Alpha Trions separate for more pedantic reasons than are necessary, especially since the AOTP toyline looks to be drawing influence from all continuities for its specific roster of the Thirteen, as if to say that the AOTP toys of the Thirteen represent *all* versions of the Thirteen (meaning AOTP Alpha Trion will represent *all* Alpha Trions).
:::::Sipher mentioned that conceptual history sections would only benefit a small number of the Thirteen, and, well, yes, that is a true statement. But the idea wouldn't be to give ''all'' of the Thirteen conceptual history sections, just the few that would need it. And a merged. But there being only a few that would need it no less diminishes the need of those few.
:::::However, I definitely draw the line at putting SG characters on the same webpages as their non-SG counterparts, as I go back to [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3Fthe original discussion about that very subject] and all the reasons given there (particularly from Steve-o, whom I already quoted above) for why SG characters should '''not''' share a webpage with their non-SG counterparts. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:47, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::::I feel like "they're all basically the same" is a charge that can be leveled at a lot of characters who are present in multiple continuity families. I'm all in favour of keeping non-entities to one page each, but Alpha Trion meets the threshold for actually having enough detail to have separate articles. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:32, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:My votes: No to splitting the 13 articles, yes for conceptual history, no to merging Trion (maybe expanding his disambig a la Sideways'?), no to moving the Fallen, maybe to changing his mainpic (compare to UT or Aligned characteers with major body changes - UT generally sticks with the Armada bodies, but Aligned favours Prime bodies over WFC). [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 18:01, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:I also think that it wouldn´t be appropriate to separate the pages of the thirteen and that the articles about Alpha Trion should be merged, after he become one of the 13 he has been mostly the same across all media. --[[User:MikeOsix|MikeOsix]] ([[User_talk:MikeOsix|talk]]) 20:57, 18 January 2024 (EST)
My vote is that we should keep Prime pages *mostly* non-split- I do, however, think there is merit to a "Conceptual History" part, going over different variations of the characters over the Years. I originally wanted Alpha's pages to be kept apart- but after some talking, I figure it's best for him to also enjoy a conceptual history rather than a disambiguation page. (I still love Disambiguation pages though.)
On The Fallen's page getting a Dreamwave-style picture: I give it a hard thumbs up. That seems to be the design Hasbro is sticking with compared to the skeleton-furnace guy from the movies. -- [[User:OptiMay Primal|OptiMay Primal]] ([[User talk: BattleBlade|talk]]) 21:54, 18 January 2024 (PST)
:I cannot see any benefit to smushing all of the Alpha Trion articles together. Every time this happens, we get a lengthy, unfocused mess of a page that wards off attempts at maintenance because it's so large. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:16, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::I'm personally against merging all the Trions, but I could be convinced if someone sandboxes a merged page first as a proof of concept. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:59, 24 January 2025 (EST)
At Cyberlink's suggestion, I've slapped together a rough prototype of a merged Alpha Trion suite broadly mirroring the Fallen's setup that can be seen–
:*'''[[Alpha Trion|HERE]]'''
Intro etc not final, of course. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 16:27, 24 January 2025 (EST)
:I like this. It's no longer or less focused than [[Unicron]], for example. I'm still kind of dubious about the need to exclude Shattered Glass versions from these cross-continuity characters, but at least SG Trion is more substantial than SG Unicron. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:31, 24 January 2025 (EST)
:Posting to confirm I'm in favor of this. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 12:49, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Yeah I like it too, when so many of his incarnations are so similar the unified article feels more user friendly [[User:LenaPrime|LenaPrime]] ([[User talk:LenaPrime|talk]]) 12:57, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Adding that I think this works pretty well. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 18:42, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Thought I'd stick my two cents in. I think this would work. If Unicron can have a merged page like this, then it should certainly work for Trion. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 23:44, 25 January 2025 (EST)
I've also started working on prototypes of rewrites / updates to Prima and The Fallen's pages, which can be seen...
:*'''[[User:Daytonjhammon/Sandbox/Prima|HERE for Prima]]''' and '''[[User:Daytonjhammon/Sandbox/The Fallen|HERE for The Fallen]]'''.
Discussion for The Fallen should probably stay on his [[Talk:The Fallen|own talk page]], but I'm linking them here since both have "conceptual history" sections I've drafted up. [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 13:50, 26 January 2025 (EST)

===Checkpoint 2 (05/05/2025)===
This definitely fell way off the agenda but there was sufficient interest that I believe it is worth circling back. Following Dayton's excellent work on Prima and the Fallen's Conceptual History section going live, the final point of order remains the prospect of merging Alpha Trion (with SG suite) to reflect his Aligned-forward characterization and bring him in line with the other 12 + 2 (Thirteen, Primus, Unicron) "man-shaped set dressing" characters.

Again, a full mock-up of this concept can be seen-

:*'''[[Alpha Trion|HERE]]'''

The current tally stands at:

:*'''Votes for merging Alpha Trion into one cross-continuity article with SG sub-page:''' 12 (Sabrblade, AzimuthAcolyte, Boingus, Broadside, Escargon, Ezim93, Daytonjhammon, MikeOsix, OptiMay Primal, LenaPrime, IGEBM13, Hilfam)
:*'''Votes against:''' 5 (abates, M Sipher, BattleBlade, Saix, Cyberlink420)

That's overwhelming support a ways past 2:1. Does anyone care to answer a last call for comment?

Suggestions or concerns for the prototype are particularly welcome. For my part I would appreciate assistance drafting a Conceptual History section. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:18, 5 May 2025 (EDT)
: Chipping in to reiterate that I'm in favour, though I'm unconvinced that the SG subpage is necessary. I do recognise that it's in line with how we currently treat Unicron, but like... is there anything we gain from having it be a separate page that we couldn't get from just putting "in one mirror universe, alpha trion was a real sicko!" at the top of the section? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (EDT)
::On principle alone, I'm against putting SG characters on the same pages as their non-SG counterparts, no matter what. The day we make such allowance for just one of them is the day we open the floodgates for potentially doing that for any and all SG characters. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:54, 6 May 2025 (EDT)
:::The (SG) system is simple. What exactly does messing with it accomplish? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:28, 8 May 2025 (EDT)
::::See, my understanding was not that SG characters are "special exceptions", it's that we treat Shattered Glass as its own continuity family (and likewise SG Animated, et al). It's not "messing with" the system to put the SG version of a character on a cross-continuity family page for that character. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:53, 13 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::It's messing with what Thylacine mentions for the sake of insisting on making categorization exceptions for the Thirteen. It's not useful to either editor or reader, especially if we're going to do the pointless lateral move that is "/Shattered Glass" anyway. (SG) is straightforward and easy to parse as opposed to "here's the explicitly negative AU guy buried here because arbitrary wiki reasons". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:42, 13 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Looks like it doesn't matter anymore, but the difference between SG and non-SG material - the whole fact that SG exists to be an irreconcilable opposite to G1 - is more fundamental and important than the sum total of all appearances and history of at least 10 of the 13. We should not be wiping away important conceptual distinctions for the sake of unimportant asterisk characters who basically only ever existed in a list. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:59, 13 May 2025 (EDT)

== International Sightings ==

So, as of late, mentions of "toy appeared in (non-US country) without prior announcement" type lines have been getting purged from the wiki. This makes me wonder: am I allowed to even mention them anymore when a new toy appears somewhere? I'm not really sure why these relatively harmless information lines are getting removed, nor am I really a fan of it, but if I can't mention them anymore I will happily oblige.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:04, 7 January 2025 (EST)
:They're being removed because "toy first showed up at a random store in Asia" is not useful information. That's how toy retail has worked for decades. Hasbro deigning to announce some product doesn't make it the standard. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:57, 7 January 2025 (EST)
::Oh, ok, I'll keep that in mind from now on.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 23:11, 7 January 2025 (EST)

==First revealed at (some regular online update)==
On a similar note to the international sightings, what do people think of "toy was first revealed in Hasbro Instagram post / Fans First Friday / Pulse livestream of whatever date," etc.? We note this constantly, because it's another fact to include about a just-announced toy nobody owns yet. A year later it looks unimportant. Is this something we like and value, or more of a space-filing habit? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:34, 8 January 2025 (EST)
:I think it's a lot of blather, but at least it's documenting Hasbro marketing as opposed to random retail appearances. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:25, 8 January 2025 (EST)
: I'm lukewarm at best on 'em. But often these announcements are followed up almost immediately by pre-orders opening up through official channels, and that feels a bit more... noteworthy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 12:31, 8 January 2025 (EST)
: Seems pretty relevant to me! There's value in preserving a toy's history, after all. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 10:14, 6 April 2025 (EDT))

==Update Navigation==
Should the Navigation sidebar be changed to replace [[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]] with [[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]] or should we wait a bit?--[[User:CyclonustheWarrior|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior|talk]]) 20:49, 2 February 2025 (EST)
:Good question. I think we could change it now since almost all of wave 1 is out at retail over in Asia, but I’ll wait for someone higher than me to make the final decision lol - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 23:10, 5 February 2025 (EST)

==Adding a "Transformers in [Country name]" section to country articles==
So, by some weird coincidence, a lot of my edits in these past months have involved expanding on the quirks of how individual aspects of the Transformers brand were represented in countries like [[Brazil]], [[Argentina]], [[Greece]], and [[Portugal]] - however; something that I've noticed is that there's usually no comprehensive summary of this information in the actual pages we have for those countries, with most or all of it being restricted to the individual articles regarding those things instead (for instance; Argentina had a whole three companies that produced Transformers toys with [[Antex]], [[Comando Toys]], and [[Lynsa]], but none of them are even mentioned in Argentina's page!). As such, and in the spirit of making our wiki more international, I propose that we add a small section to every country page specifically regarding the presence of the Transformers brand within it.

Some information that could go into these sections, if available (naturally, not ''everything'' here needs to be mentioned):
* When Transformers media first premiered in the country
* When Transformers toys first released in the country
* Previous releases of [[pre-Transformers]] in the country, if any (e.g.; Italy's ''Trasformer'', the UK's ''Convertors'', Finland's ''Diaclone'', etc.)
* Brands that might have made toys or merchandise for Transformers in the country, if any (e.g.; [[Estrela]] in Brazil, [[IGA]] in Mexico, [[GiG]] in Italy, [[El Greco]] in Greece, etc.)
* Notable figures, variants, and/or entire toylines that are exclusive to the country, if any (obviously, a fully comprehensive list would be difficult for a country like Japan, but it seems feasible for others here.)
* Transformers media that's unique to the country, if any (again; it would be hard to form a comprehensive list for Japan or the US, but it might not be too difficult elsewhere.)
* Peculiar quirks and factoids regarding the distribution of Transformers toys in the country, if any (e.g.; Galaxy Shuttle releasing in Italy, Star Saber releasing in Portugal, Spain's translated G1 blister cards, [[Sonokong]]'s many odd releases of Transformers toys in South Korea, etc.)
* Transformers-connected artists that were born in the country (e.g.; Brazil's [[Marcelo Matere]], Spain's [[José Avilés]], etc.)
* Perhaps some notable aspects of the fandom in the country (e.g., fan organizations, conventions - whether they're [[Convention|official]] or [[Unofficial conventions|unofficial]] - etc.)

Editing these sections could also make for a pretty fun multinational effort: certainly, Transformers fans from all over the world have pretty unique knowledge about the brand in their regions that's undocumented until now, and it would be pretty cool for them to visit the pages for their respective countries and see a section that basically invites them to add that knowledge. If this idea seems acceptable then I would be happy to move ahead with introducing the section to some of the countries that I'm most familiar with (mostly in Europe and Latin America) - let me know what everyone else thinks! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 10:07, 6 April 2025 (EDT))
:I like this idea! I think it’ll be really helpful for both readers and the site’s general organization to have information about international Transformers products and media on their respective countries’ pages. I’m not too well-versed in the foreign aspects of the brand outside of Japan, but I do know one piece of information we can add to Russia’s page is that ''Masterforce'' was the first show to air there :D - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 10:47, 6 April 2025 (EDT)
::I had no idea about that, how interesting! Hopefully more people can give the go-ahead to this. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:04, 6 April 2025 (EDT))
:::This strikes me as a proposal with a lot potential if we can get enough manpower behind it. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 17:00, 6 April 2025 (EDT)
:I've made versions of this proposed section for the Portugal, Spain, and Brazil pages, and posted them on [[User:FortressMaxxing/Sandbox|my sandbox]]. Any thoughts would be welcome! Also, shouldn't we maybe add the country flags to their respective pages? The Wikipedia SVGs are on public domain, so I guess we could just import those. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:43, 7 April 2025 (EDT))
::I like the way these early write-ups look, it could prove very interesting. Though we should only add the country flags if they appeared in fiction, as we do with the [[Soviet Union]] or [[United States of America]]. Otherwise it's just not important. Every country has a flag, you don't need to come ''here'' to look at them or find out their capital cities, populations, national birds, etc. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:01, 7 April 2025 (EDT)
:::I mean, if we're also to discuss the "meta" details of Transformers in the country - meaning that the pages are no longer restricted to just fiction - then I think it makes sense to at least have a country flag up on the opening paragraph, no? I'm not saying we need to add an Wikipedia-like infobox with the capital and population count and whatever else, but if we also have stuff like logos for companies in their respective pages then it makes sense to at least have what's basically the largest and most important international identifier that a country has attached to a page about it. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:29, 7 April 2025 (EDT))
:Given how there seem to be no objections to this project, I hope that it's fine to begin adding these sections to their respective pages during this weekend. I have added entries for Argentina, Italy, and Greece [[User:FortressMaxxing/Sandbox|to my sandbox]], so, together with the other three I previously shared; that will be six "The Transformers franchise in X country" sections coming from me - hopefully others will also be interested in adding similar sections to the pages of whatever countries they're most familiar with! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 18:37, 11 April 2025 (EDT))
::I think the names could be simplified to "Transformers in X". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:51, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:::That was actually close to the previous name I had in this topic ("The Transformers in X") before renaming it because I thought it could be a little ambiguous, haha - but actually, I think you're right, "Transformers in Brazil" / "Transformers in Greece" / etc. does sound better and I guess all the ambiguities are kinda cleared up in context of the contents of the sections themselves! "Transformers in X" it shall be then, I've now again renamed this topic accordingly. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 20:06, 11 April 2025 (EDT))
::::Yeah, it could be an ambiguous statement by itself, but we're not making "Transformers in Brazil" for all the fictional times Transformers characters appeared in Brazil because that's already covered by [[Brazil]] itself. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:29, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:Ayo, I posted the first batch of "Transformers in X" sections a few days ago in the [[Portugal]], [[Spain]], [[Italy]], [[Greece]], [[Brazil]], and [[Argentina]] pages! There are still way more countries that need a similar level of development and since I won't be able to do all of them alone, I wanted to highlight at least the most important ones in the hopes that maybe other users will have an interest in working on them. So, here are '''the pages that most urgently need a "Transformers in X" section''' (plus '''some of the things they should mention'''):

* [[Japan]], obviously: The birth of the transforming robot as a Japanese cultural product (see [[Yonezawa Toys|Yonezawa]] and some of the later transforming robot toys leading up to Takara's Cosmo Countach and eventually the Diaclone Car Robots), the country's transition from Diaclone to Transformers, the introduction of the original show to Japan, a brief mention of the original media and toylines that were only released there, an assessment of the popularity of the franchise in Japan relative to other 'giant robot'-centric media like Gundam and NGE (Also, I've noticed that there is already a small "non-fiction" section that briefly touches on the importance of Japan to the Transformers: it could be used as a starting basis, and I guess that it also suggests someone already had the idea for a similar wiki-project!)
* The [[United States of America|United States]], also quite obviously: Brief summarization of the birth and sustained popularity of the Transformers brand in America, the most prominent retail exclusives that were only launched in U.S. stores, BotCon and all the other big fan conventions
<s>* [[United Kingdom]]: Received a pair of pre-Transformers toylines with the Grandstand Convertors and Tandy's Galactic Man, the UK Marvel Transformers comic, large conventions like TFNation and TFUKcon</s> '''(Done!)'''
* [[France]]: Received a pre-Transformers toyline with [[Joustra|Ceji / Joustra]] releasing Diaclone, Orli Jouet's Robotrack, later Joustra-made G1 Transformers toys, original cartoon had a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itPo0Q9zmrc|a pretty funky unique theme song], major national toy company [[Majorette]] would briefly become a Transformers licensee in the 2000s
* [[Finland]]: Received a pre-Transformers toyline with Takara directly releasing Diaclone, "black Tracks" was unique to it (and later homaged with [[Loudpedal]])
* [[China]]: Hasbro factories, the Chinese G1 reissue toyline, the commercial success of Age of Extinction and how it brought about a sharp rise in the popularity of Transformers across the country, [[Nezha: Transformers (franchise)|Nezha]]
* [[South Korea]]: The unusual line-ups of [[Young Toys]] and [[Sonokong]], the mystery of [[ToonTown]]
* [[Mexico]]: [[IGA]] and their unique variants of G1 figures
* [[Venezuela]] (which somehow doesn't exist yet despite [[Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 17|already having an in-fiction mention]]?): [[Rubiplas]] made some unique Mini-Vehicles
<s>* [[Peru]]: [[Lynsa]] released multiple unique Mini-Vehicles in both countries, Museo Transformers</s> '''(Done!)'''
* [[Chile]]: Also received [[Lynsa]] Mini-Vehicles
* [[Vietnam]]: Major manufacturing hub for Transformers toys '''(Work in progress)'''
* [[Germany]]: GAMA's "Trans Robot" (pre-Transformers Omega Supreme), had the biggest Transformers convention in continental Europe until it dissolved not too long ago

:On an unrelated note, check out these fancy new GoBoxes down below! If anyone wants to do more in this style (quirky collage of country flag, plus national iconography, plus a Transformer toy that's emblematic of that specific country in some way) then that'd be pretty sweet! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 17:47, 16 April 2025 (EDT))
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::Hey, I noticed that a lot of your claims aren't really sourced, it would be nice if you could cite your sources for us. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 08:01, 21 April 2025 (EDT)
:::For sure! A lot of what's been added to these pages isn't cited because it is already discussed at greater length in their respective articles (and usually cited in said articles) - nonetheless; I will go ahead and add a more extensive round of sources soon. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 12:54, 21 April 2025 (EDT))
:::: Great! Remember to post about that here when it happens. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 13:45, 21 April 2025 (EDT)
::::: All done, I've provided as many citations for whatever information's more obscure or not as well-documented in the English web as I could! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 16:21, 21 April 2025 (EDT))
:::::: Thank you! I appreciate it, though I have noticed that your source about Portuguese people seeing Star Convoy on retail is only available to members of the Facebook group. I understand that information for things like this is hard to come by so if can't change it it's alright but it would be great if you could list a publicly available source instead. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 08:58, 22 April 2025 (EDT)
::::::: Oops, I didn't realize that Transformers Portugal was private on Facebook - but let this not be a problem, because I've just added a translated screenshot to that citation instead! Although I must also add that, unfortunately, I don't know how to really cite the later portion of that trivia - that Star Convoy is also really common on the Portuguese secondary market - because this is basically the product of my own personal experience of living in Portugal and seeing at least four loose Star Convoys on the Portuguese secondary market in the past couple of years across various occasions, all of them being the original version with the white trailer rather than the later reissue (thus suggesting that they come from the aforementioned retail distribution), and all of them being sold for really cheap prices rounding just ~20-40 euros from people who clearly did not know about this being an unusual toy (I got one myself one circa ~2022!). It's just that I frankly didn't know how to cite this in the page (Would "[[User:FortressMaxxing|This editor]] can attest to seeing an inordinate amount of Portuguese Star Convoy copies on the secondary market" be too anecdotal of a reference to have?), so... There's that. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 13:04, 22 April 2025 (EDT))
:::::::: Don't worry, the fist citation should be enough, now's the time to move on to the rest of the countries. I'm a bit busy at the moment but I might be able to take on the UK write up. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 13:53, 22 April 2025 (EDT)
::::::::: Sweet, I'll be excited to see what you write up! Tell us here when you do :) ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 13:58, 22 April 2025 (EDT))
:I made a first draft of the UK write-up at my sandbox [[User:Wildstrike/Sandbox/United_Kingdom|here]]. It is not at all done I'm passing this through the people to make sure I didn't get anything wrong, and to hear out any suggestions. Also I didn't mention the Tandy's Galactic Man figure because it doesn't seem to be exclusive to to the UK. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 11:14, 26 April 2025 (EDT)
::Hey, it's good, short but very well-cited! I do think Galactic Man merits at least a brief one-line mention since apparently the UK was the only other territory beyond the U.S. where it was released in (and also the UK Galactic Man might be slightly different, per how the pre-TF page describes him as [[Pre-Transformers#Pre-Transformers lines|"''almost'' identical"]]?), but otherwise, I have no disagreement with the information presented here. Very curious to see how you're gonna expand on that draft! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 18:46, 27 April 2025 (EDT))
:::Okay, I did a bit of research and according to the [https://astromagnum.blogspot.com/2024/04/galactic-man-tandy-radio-shack-shackwave.html Astro Magnum] blog the Tandy version of Galactic Man has slightly different packaging, different stickers, and is made of materials more resistant to the yellowing prevalent in the Radio Shack versions of the toy. I'll be sure to edit the draft when I have time. Also, I found about an [https://batterseapowerstation.co.uk/retailers/transformers/ official transformers store] at the Battersea power station which I plan on incorporating at some point. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 11:49, 28 April 2025 (EDT)
:Ooohh, here's a pretty cool thing that I found out which definitely should be added to the Peru page: there's a mall [https://www.facebook.com/MuseoTF with a Transformers toy museum within it], and apparently it's been in operation since 2020! It even features a display specifically for [https://scontent.flis9-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/483676983_1040341464571272_305592738604936521_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=OsCqdAxWZTQQ7kNvwGe1-WQ&_nc_oc=Adn6enKyI9P6hsp1VO2t492l7iu8t1CtWQCm3bbMYXOemGAOpKTj-0fB96Co-Jhqnm4&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.flis9-1.fna&_nc_gid=0aKRlr6ClLSdhzhjlFM8cA&oh=00_AfFq1ClChLr67ItyZAhHBe0MPRKxcrRFUfQLY48v0THRPA&oe=68149CCC Transformers stuff made in Peru], which I think would be a great photographic addition to the article :) ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 20:36, 27 April 2025 (EDT))

:I've finally expanded my write-up (link [[User:Wildstrike/Sandbox/United_Kingdom|here]]), and would like to receive comment on it if possible. As for the ''Transformers'' store I mentioned above, I'm not quite sure how to incorporate it into the rest of the article and am debating just leaving it in the notes section. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 12:06, 30 May 2025 (EDT)
::Hey, sorry for taking so long to review it but it's good! I think the Transformers store can be added as its own small (even if one-line) paragraph in the section, no need to throw it all the way down to notes when it's a definitely pretty relevant to the history of Transformers in the UK. Regardless, I'd say it's time to go live with that section! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 00:24, 12 June 2025 (EDT))
:::It's finally live baby! As you may have noticed, I decided to expand the section a little bit more and mention some of the other British people that have worked on Transformers over the years as well as [[BotCon Europe 1999]], I hope you're happy with all the changes. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 15:05, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:Per recent edits, I'm scratching out the UK and Peru pages off the list, as they now also have proper "Transformers in [Country]" sections (great job on the UK one by the way, it's pretty extensive and rich in information and I feel like I learned quite a few new things with it!). I also added Germany and Vietnam to the list, so if any TF fans from those nationalities are around to see this some help in filling those out wold be greatly appreciated! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 08:22, 18 June 2025 (EDT))

== Size of this page ==

Could someone archive the last year on this page? It's getting ridiculously long and is hard to scroll through. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 19:48, 15 April 2025 (EDT)
:Done. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:25, 15 April 2025 (EDT)

== ToonTown / Korean Transformers that might or might not be bootlegs ==
Hey, so... What do we do about [https://x.com/tfwiki/status/1036114311142363136?lang=ar this], and [https://lmb3.net/2024/12/29/blog-2500-toy-review-transformers-korean-modified-optimus-prime/ this], and [https://tformers.com/daily-prime-korean-generation-2-optimus-prime-gold-watch/43599/news.html this], and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYJ8Nev7DGo this]? It basically seems like there's a massive ambiguity as to whether or not these toys are bootlegs, and while at least one of them (see the recently-edited "Globo" section on the [[knockoff]] page) has distinct bootleg origins, it's also worth remembering that there is [[Radio AM Robot|at least one known case of a bootleg being later rebranded into an official Transformers toy]], so... Maybe this is not much of an indicator?

In the replies to that first tweet, there's a person who says that "[https://x.com/tfwiki/status/1036114311142363136/ Hasbro's legal stance is that if it has their copyright on the box, it is an official product. This is what they've told me in the past when inquiring about other products]". Assuming that this is the case, and given that all of these have a Hasbro copyright on their packaging despite how genuinely weird they are, should we add them to their respective character pages, as well as maybe creating a separate page for ToonTown as a Transformers-associated company? The [[Soundwave (G1)/merchandise#Transformers Gum|Soundwave]] and [[Starscream (G1)/merchandise#Transformers Gum|Starscream]] ''Transformers Gum'' tabs already mention their ToonTown releases, so it seems like it kind of follows to add the others, no? I've left them a mention on the knockoff page as of now, but it would be good to get a final decision as to where exactly they should stay on this wiki. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 21:58, 19 April 2025 (EDT))
:Decades ago, [[Raksha]] wrote that the Toon Town stuff had been released in both South Korea and Taiwan (https://web.archive.org/web/20080917123934fw_/http://www.plumed-serpent.com/swartifacts.html). Added to what you wrote above, I believe that is the sum of all the knowledge we have on the issue, so it would be hard to write an article about it. I agree that since we have the Soundwave and Starscream stuff, the other confirmed releases are fair game to include too. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:18, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
::Here's another one, this time not saying Toon Town, still showing the "real" logos and symbols, and said by its owner to be a knockoff: https://toy-wizards.com/2019/03/16/super-rare-korean-transformers-toys-at-tf-con-and-the-conspiracy-theory-behind-them/?amp I'm really drawing a blank on Toon Town and it is possible we will never get enough verified info to be worth an article here. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:53, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::One more source for now: http://fredsworkshop.com/vkorea.html --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:57, 7 May 2025 (EDT)

::::Argh, another, and with even more links at the bottom, and were no closer to a conclusive truth. http://fredsworkshop.com/vkorea5.html --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:05, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::For what it's worth, I think it'd be good to have a page laying out the ambiguity of the matter, explaining what we know and how hard to verify it all is. Sorta like the [[unknown Generation 1 animation studios]]. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 19:35, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::: Yeah, I'd agree with this. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:45, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
::::::: Seconding this, it seems like we have more than enough to at least create an article about this weird company that explains the ambiguity. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 01:15, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:Alright, as per the above discussion, the [[ToonTown]] article is now up! I didn't go over every source mentioned here yet and therefore still haven't added every ToonTown-branded figure to it (and neither to the character pages, the currently existing wikilinks just to go their broader toy sections for now), but hopefully this is a good start. Would love to see your contributions to this page, if you have any to give! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:09, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::Update, the remaining ToonTown toys and merchandise that I could find has also been added. Turn out to be a shorter affair than expected! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:53, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:::Thank you for setting this up so quickly! I am doing my best to state very clearly that these might or might not be legit, that if they're knockoffs they aren't like your typical ones... The last thing I'd ever want would be for this wiki to give people the sense that fake stuff was real, but we can present the nebulous case and leave it to readers to judge. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:58, 8 May 2025 (EDT)
::::All good! This is just such an interesting case that it does really feel like it needs to be in the wiki insofar as we don't know whether or not they're fake. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:07, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::Hey, Google Lens led me to the discovery of another ToonTown oddity and I'd love some community help in finding out more about it before it's added into the article: [https://m.blog.naver.com/eoiipp/130144214329 This Optimus Prime model kit] doesn't appear to be based on any Kabaya / Transformers Gum kit that I know of (and the Transformers Gum section on the Optimus merchandise page says that his ToonTown kit comes as a pack-in with Starscream rather than being a standalone like this one), and in fact; he actually looks to be fairly sizable and complex compared to the usual Kabaya affair. On [https://m.totoy.com/product/%EB%AF%B8%EB%8B%B4%EC%82%B0%EC%97%85-%ED%8A%B8%EB%9E%9C%EC%8A%A4%ED%8F%AC%EB%A8%B8-g2-%EB%A1%9C%EB%B4%87-%ED%8A%B8%EB%A0%88%EC%9D%BC%EB%9F%AC-%EC%98%B5%ED%8B%B0%EB%A8%B8%EC%8A%A4-%ED%94%84%EB%9D%BC%EC%9E%84/5333/ this listing] for the same kit, you can zoom in and see what seems to be the usual ToonTown / 3D Licensing International markings, but most importantly; both of those links identify him as being made by a company called "Midam Industry" which even seems to have its own unique logo on the upper right corner of the toys (albeit it's pretty difficult to make out with how low-res all these pictures are), but that I can't find anything about them on the web. Does anyone know more about this Midam Industry Optimus, as well as maybe potentially being aware of other kits from the same series? Cheers! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 16:46, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:::After searching for a little while, I believe that this is, in fact, the only Transformers kit released by Midam Industry (although it has a handful of variants!), thus; it - as well as a Midam Industry entry - has been added to their respective pages. I've taken the liberty to classify it as a toy rather than a piece of merchandise since it is, for the standards of a Transformers model kit, actually a fairly elaborate and fully-transforming model that doesn't really seem to count as "merchandise" in the same way that Transformers Gum stuff does (it doesn't even come with any food!) - hopefully others will be in agreement on this. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:16, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::::And, just as I thought I was done with editing the ToonTown page for the day, I realized that the packaging for these kits advertises other kits, even though no pictures of those seem to be available. Aw well, duty calls... ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:31, 8 May 2025 (EDT))

== Proposing a "The Transformers (Latin American toylines)" page ==
So the title is self-explanatory, but basically; I've noticed that our Generation 1 navbox is missing the many, many Latin American Transformers G1 toylines like those produced by [[Estrela]], [[Antex]], [[Lynsa]], [[IGA]], etc. Since there might be way too many for them to all to be individually listed in the navbox, and since we already have the "[[The Transformers (toyline)]]" (for the US toyline), "[[The Transformers (European toyline)]]", "[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1 (Japanese toyline)]]", and "[[The Transformers (Chinese toyline)]]" pages all on the navbox, shouldn't we also make a "The Transformers (Latin American toylines)" page where we list all of the known releases from the various Latin American toylines, with the eventual addition of some "Main article" tags for the manufacturers of each of those toylines? ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:49, 24 April 2025 (EDT))
:I don't think the toyline or name was consistent across Latin America, so it would be more "Generation 1 toylines in Latin America"?
::That's fair, it is true that most of them removed the 'The' prefix and were usually just called ''Transformers''. Since we don't use the ''The Transformers'' name for the Japanese toyline page then it does make sense to also not use it in this instance. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 22:33, 24 April 2025 (EDT))
:[[Generation 1 toylines in Latin America|Page has been made!]] ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 17:17, 25 April 2025 (EDT))

== Free Comic Book Day Worst Bot Ever preview ==

I know it’s standard procedure not to create articles for comic issues until the issue actually comes out, even if a small preview is officially released online. But I’m wondering if the Ballpoint preview issue should be an exception? It is just the online page preview Skybound put out a few months ago (I believe with a couple new pages), but since it is an officially released physical comic issue that new fans will be picking up and wanting to research, I figure there’s an argument to create the article now with what we know and simply update it when the graphic novel proper comes out. For now, the article would cover what’s in the FCBD issue, and when it comes out proper we’d add to/replace it with a full synopsis and include a note about how the first 16 pages were released on FCBD. Thoughts? [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 16:58, 3 May 2025 (EDT)

== Shattered Glass and cross-continuity-family pages ==

Felt like this was worth being discussed in its own section, so: at present, [[Unicron]], [[Primus]] and [[Alpha Trion]] all have dedicated "Shattered Glass" subpages suited out. They're unique in this respect; every other page for concepts that span multiple continuity families keep the Shattered Glass versions on the same page as everything else. A good example is [[Spark]]; even though Embers have a different name and are supposedly fundamentally different in the mirror universe, they still share a page. If we're going to treat Unicron, Primus and the Thirteen like cross-continuity concepts, rather than how we treat most characters, then I don't think we should make an exception to that for Shattered Glass.

To be clear, '''this is NOT proposing that we merge all Shattered Glass characters into their G1 counterparts'''. My position is that Shattered Glass is its own continuity family, and so we keep their pages separate, and I don't think there's something special about Shattered Glass that makes it an exception to what we're doing with the cross-continuity pages. Input would be appreciated. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:52, 14 May 2025 (EDT)
: I agree. Especially because Primus and Unicron have about a paragraph's worth of information on them each. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 18:21, 14 May 2025 (EDT)
: SG is different enough that the character pages should be separated somehow. Otherwise it’d be jarring for those unfamiliar with SG to have the one batshit crazy evil Alpha Trion in and amongst all the nice ones. Personally, I’m on the same boat as Sabrblade back up in the Thirteen discussion from a few months ago. I think suite pages are a useful tool, not a necessary evil. It’s somewhat subjective, but I can see suite pages used in this way for other cross-continuity concepts where one universe diverges far enough from the norm. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 18:49, 15 May 2025 (EDT)
::Moreso than one crazy evil [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] in and among all the nice ones? I don't think you're giving readers enough credit, frankly. If we opened the section "In one mirror universe, Alpha Trion was not a kindly mentor, but a cruel manipulator" I don't think anyone would think twice. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:25, 15 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Touché. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 02:04, 16 May 2025 (EDT)
:I was waiting to weigh in until the Alpha Trion merge was fully complete, but I now feel comfortable saying this strikes me as basically reasonable, both conceptually and in terms of the small volume of material involved. The Fallen's [[The Fallen#Shattered Glass|''Shattered Glass'' content]] is already folded into his main page by necessity, after all. I do think people might feel less skittish if we more clearly telegraphed that the 13+2 were unique character/concept article hybrids not to be used as precedent down the food chain. Maybe something like:
::* Category:Concept-Characters
::*With a description like, "These subjects act as facets of the ''Transformers'' brand's baseline worldbuilding first and characters in their own right second. For the defunct fictional concept riffing on this phenomenon, see [[multiversal singularity]]."
:Is that anything? --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:20, 26 May 2025 (EDT)
::I like that idea. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 20:52, 26 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Seems like an excellent idea to me! --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 00:07, 27 May 2025 (EDT)
::::Yeah, seems alright for now. However, I do think it's worth having some kind of plan in place in case a concept-character winds up getting expanded on in the future. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 04:50, 2 June 2025 (EDT)
::::: I do like the category idea. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:51, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
Last call for objections before I go ahead with this? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:01, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:I think there's an exception to be made for Alpha Trion, as the SG page is pretty long, and still incomplete, but otherwise, yeah; was surprised by how short SG Primus and Unicron's articles are. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 16:24, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:: It's not very long compared to the rest of the page, especially considering the toys are already on Trion's toys page. I feel like if we were gonna split a section off for length reasons it'd be Generation 1. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 20:55, 12 June 2025 (EDT)

== Interwiki link request ==

Having reached another milestone in my ongoing project to document the non-''Transformers'' [[back-up strips]] printed in the Marvel UK book, I'd like to request that tfuk.app (<tt><nowiki>https://tfuk.app/wiki/$1</nowiki></tt>) gets added to the interwiki table. Thanks. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 11:11, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
:Goddamn, this is an incredible amount of work: more than being added to the interwiki table, it frankly feels worthy of being pinned into the "sister wikis" section on the opening page. Great job! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 12:08, 20 May 2025 (EDT))
::Seconding Fortress on front page sister wiki status, frankly. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:31, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Thirded on adding it to the sister wikis list, that’s amazing. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 16:07, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Fourthing! -- [[User:DannyBoy|DannyBoy]] ([[User talk:DannyBoy|talk]]) 10:19, 21 May 2025 (EDT)
:That seems eminently reasonable: [[tfuk:Main Page|The Transformers UK Appendix]] --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:15, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Thank you! [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 17:32, 20 May 2025 (EDT)

== Skybound’s Marvel compendium edits ==

So I’ve got Skybound’s [[The Transformers Compendium Volume 1]] in hand and am reading it. I was under the impression that Skybound was, for the most part, just using IDW’s Classics reprint with maybe some polish here and there, but comparing Skybound’s version to the wiki notes about IDW classics edits, there are actually several changes from those that are going to need to be noted on each issue’s article. (For instance, the Wheeljack/Hoist panel comparison on [[I, Robot-Master!]] has a new color scheme to add to it.) Are we gonna want to make a new section on each article underneath the “Classics edits” one? Are we gonna want to wait until the Kickstarter-exclusive versions come out so we can do it all at once? (I’m just talking about differences I’ve noticed while ''skimming'' articles; I imagine there are lots more. This is the first time I’ve read the comic and thus I don’t have originals/IDW reprints to directly compare to. Just something I wanted to bring to your guys’ attention.) [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 02:04, 1 June 2025 (EDT)
:Making a new section under "Classics Edits" seems like the best move. As for the second question, I feel it would be best if we started making note of the changes now so that there will be less work to when the Kickstarter exclusives do release. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 04:58, 2 June 2025 (EDT)

== Continuity of origin listings? ==
I happened to see the [[Sentius Magnus]] and [[Sentius Malus]], and that sent me looking to see if there were any other new characters unique to [[Transformers: Earth Wars|Earth Wars]]. When I couldn't find any such listing, I realized I don't think we have any real way to identify original characters by their original continuity. Might it make sense to have, say, categories for brand-new characters that originated in each continuity? i.e. "Earth Wars original characters" or "IDW 2005 original characters" or "Marvel comics original characters", etc? Or, if not categories, some way of compiling that information?<br>Also, to be clear, I wouldn't consider characters that began as toys to be original to whatever fiction they first appeared in; this would just be for the likes of the aforementioned Sentius twins, or [[Xaaron (G1)|Xaaron]], or [[Devcon (G1)|Devcon]], or [[Tarn (G1)|Tarn]]. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:29, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
:I think that would be a good idea, and very helpful organization-wise. (Also, you’re correct in that there are no other TFEW-original characters beyond maybe SB Optimus Prime and SB Megatron.) - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 09:09, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
: I feel that would be unnecessary, fans can find it out by looking at the work page. [[User:Vrung|Vrung]] ([[User talk:Vrung|talk]]) 16:53, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
::Unless there's a way I missed, the only way to "figure it out" by looking at the work page is to individually check the pages for every single listed character appearance to see if they've ever appeared anywhere else. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 20:33, 16 June 2025 (EDT)

==Concept characters and sorting by continuity family==
Based on discussions above, I've implemented [[:Category:Deep lore characters|Category:Concept characters]] to cover things like the Thirteen and Primus and Unicron. However, I've noticed that these pages seem to have been rearranged so they aren't sorted by continuity family, except in the case of the movie and Aligned families? I gather that it's to "preserve the flow of conceptual development", but that seems silly when we have "conceputal history" sections on the relevant characters. Other concept pages (e.g. [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] are sorted by family, so this just seems unintuitive. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 19:49, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:I agree; we've always tried to sort concepts and ideas by continuity family and it's more confusing if we start arbitrarily enforcing this standard on some pages but not on others. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 20:00, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::I concur that how we've been organizing big pages like this by continuity family makes sense, especially if they have "Conceptual history" sections. Like, it's weird to jump around from a G1 section, to a Beast Era section, to a UT section, and then back to a G1 section, then to a Movie section, then Aligned, then back to another G1, then back to another Movie, then back to G1 again, then Cyberverse, then G1 again, then another Movie, and so forth. Just let the "Conceptual history" sections do their job. And if there isn't one, then, well... why not make one? They only ''enhance'' each article that has one. I'd say an article like "[[Cybertron (planet)]]" could definitely benefit from a good "Conceptual history" section of its own. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 20:00, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:::Agreed on all fronts. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:20, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
I think if we're going to have cross-continuity pages for whatever reason, because the "continuity family" thing isn't working... why then organize the pages that way? "G1 continuity family" is a unit of wiki organization, not a Real Thing either narratively or creatively, unlike Aligned or Movieverse. That feels like trying to have our cake and eat it—either we're organizing things by continuity family or we aren't. IDW Megatronus is more linked to Aligned Megatronus than Dreamwave Fallen. Why does it make sense to put IDW and Dreamwave together in terms of the character? Forget arbitrary wiki categorization for a minute and ask what's the intended throughline there. Are we presenting the character's evolution in a logical way or are we simply sticking to continuity families because arbitrary wiki organization? (Also an excessive amount of tiny headers as you force them all down one level looks awful.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:00, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:I don't buy that "movieverse" is any less arbitrary than "G1 continuity family". None of the Alpha Trion entries sorted under "movie continuity family" have anything to do with each other. I would argue that using continuity families for these pages provides a reasonable measure of organisation to make it easier to find specific fiction entries rather than having to scroll through the entire history of the character. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 21:19, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::Not to beat the dead horse, but that's why we had separate pages in the first place. Movieverse fiction uses the movies as the fundamental springing board for their narrative (and is especially relevant to the Fallen). G1 does not have that and is purely organized by aesthetics and convenience. Why are Cyberverse, EarthSpark, and Wild King not "G1" while IDW1 is? Arbitrary convenience. Which is fine, but it still drills in the point that it's not a meaningful categorization narratively or creatively, especially if we're going to eschew it at the article level regardless. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:51, 18 June 2025 (EDT
:::I simply think we should be consistent about how we sort fiction sections within "concept" articles. To use [[Cybertron (planet)]] as an example again, should we no longer organise the fiction entries on that page by continuity family? If you think so, fine, but I think that's a poor idea. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 21:55, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::::That page seems to eschew the Fiction header in the first place (which does take care of my tiny header complaint, I suppose), so it's not quite consistent to begin with. But I don't really consider location and character pages to have the same considerations; Cybertron is pretty much the same across all continuities (backstory varies, yes, but mechanical homeworld of the Transformers is always the status quo) while characters are always shifting, changing, and bringing forward new ideas into next iterations. (Gun to my head, yes, I would prefer chronological, but planet articles are not a priority to me.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:09, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:::::Right, but the thing about the Thirteen et al is that they ''don't'' have the same considerations as other characters, so we treat them the same as other cross-continuity concept articles. I don't think they should have their own unique format that's the only thing on the wiki that ''completely'' eschews continuity families for organisation. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:59, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
Two questions: 1. Are we talking about just the organization of Thirteen/Primus/Unicron pages or across the board, new standard for all pages? 2. For either side (organize by continuity family vs organize by chronology/release date), are there examples of pages with either formatting that can serve as proof of concepts or visuals that show why that specific way is the better one? [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 21:15, 18 June 2025 (EDT)

Bit of an aside but is there a different or more distinct category name we could use? For me and most tf fans I know "Concept characters" brings to mind "concept art" characters, aka unused designs and the like. I think renaming it to "Cross-continuity concept characters" or something similar would make it clearer. —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 22:39, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:That would be fine by me, yeah. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:59, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::Yeah, this was the problem that jumped out at me when I first saw the term proposed. Some other suggestions: continuity-agnostic, pan-continuity, meta-continuity, conceptual, lore, mythological, cosmological, multiversal, archetypal, foundational. I don't have a strong preference, just throwing these out there. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 12:54, 19 June 2025 (EDT)
:::conceptual, lore, and mythological feel a bit too... intangible ig? multiversal is way too close to multiversal singularity imo. I'd say continuity-agnostic, pan-continuity or meta-continuity would all be good. (personally leaning towards meta-continuity) [[User:Arren1234|--Arren Meuchel]] ([[User talk:Arren1234|talk]]) 14:41, 19 June 2025 (EDT)

I'm definitely sympathetic towards [[User:Saix|Saix]] with regards to this specific change. The Thirteen are pretty much the tentpole for the "aligned" worldbuilding which pretty much marked the ''end'' of continuity families in the traditional sense, from a creative perspective at Hasbro (not that the concept was one they were considering to begin with). As he says, everything is G1 now, IDW is aligned, ''Cyberverse'' is IDW, and so on. After consideration I prefer the way he's laid it out. ''However'', there's also obviously an argument to be made from a wiki-consistency standpoint, and I want to state for the record that I don't think such a major reorganisation of those pages' contents should have been implemented without a consensus being reached on talkpages ''first''. This should have been a sandboxed proposal, not just something that was done hoping nobody would notice or care enough to raise an objection themselves. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 12:54, 19 June 2025 (EDT)

I apologize if I'm a bit off-base here, since I haven't been following these discussions as closely as some, but it seems to me that there are fundamentally two different things that are being presented here: the evolution of the character concept, and the actual fictional history of the various iterations of the character. If that's the case, wouldn't a good solution be to make a separate section for the former while continuing to organize the latter by continuity family like every other page? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 14:57, 19 June 2025 (EDT)

== Commentary trivia ==

Something I find a bit sad is commentary sounding Trivia having to be deleted from episode pages. Those are funny and can be interesting to see, shame they also hog space. Can there be a middle ground where I cam dump them into, say, wild king episodes Synopsis without sounding...unprofessional? (Because the commentary is one of the best parts of some episode descriptions...)[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 00:02, 3 July 2025 (EDT)

== Mentioned characters ==

Something I did back when I was revamping our coverage of the BotCon/Club stuff was add a "mentioned characters" section to the notes; for examples, see [[Cybertron's Most Wanted]], [[Gone Too Far]], and other stories linked to on the [[Transformers Timelines (fiction)]] page. It's something that we lack on other pages, and I think that it's worth implementing; in particular, when looking through some of James Roberts' work recently for a side project, I was struck by how often characters that otherwise never appear on page are mentioned. What I wanna propose is adding something like to this our media pages in general.

The Problem: I think that the benefits speak for themselves, but it does also come against the fact that we have hundreds (if not thousands) of episodes/comics/other media by this point, and that it's going to be a non-trivial amount of work getting this up to speed. For that reason, I don't really think a template is the best way to go about, especially if they're going to be sitting empty until someone goes back to read those comics or rewatch that episode or whatever. What I do think might be worth considering is that we add in something about doing it for media pages in their notes section here on out, so that we can have a headstart on at least the currently published stuff; once it becomes something feasible for a template on various pages, then I think we can revisit that idea. For my end, I've been contemplating a re-read of the comics for a few years now, and I'm more than happy to add stuff over the time I do that.

If anyone has any suggestions or comments, please respond here. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:22, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
:I always liked how Wookieepedia lists every proper noun in "Appearances" sections ([https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_V_The_Empire_Strikes_Back#Appearances example]). I think this concept should expand to include locations, weapons, et al.—basically everything we would make a page for. Yes, it's work to add stuff, but that's editing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:32, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
::That sounds like something that could be pretty beneficial information-wise, even if it’s a lot of work. I can definitely start doing something like it for my ''Earth Wars'' write-ups as I go through the event stories. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 10:49, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
:I definitely remember thinking—back when you were regularly working on the Fun Publications pages—that your exhaustive approach to filling out the notes sections with mentioned characters and concepts was ''really useful'', but that it could stand to be formalised in some way. As you say, it'd be a huge amount of work to bring articles for even the most popular stories up to that standard. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 11:20, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
::I agree this is something it would be valuable to do going forwards. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]])

== Plagiarism on the other site ==
Basically every EarthSpark character page on the other site is a copy-paste of our own. Some of Cyberverse too. Do we care about this? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:34, 11 July 2025 (EDT)
:I think the important first question is whether there's any attribution (though I assume the answer will be no). -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 15:53, 11 July 2025 (EDT)
::As in, "this was written by TFWiki" or "this is a unique article we here at Fandom invented"? We can see which users have been doing the copy-pasting. There's one in particular who pasted in Earthspark content (just choose a character), another who has been doing some weapons (i.e. [[Electro-scrambler]]). I know full well that fan wikis tend to get copied, so if our position is to simply disregard everything Fandom does, we can stick to that. But their site has, supposedly, had a black-and-white policy dating right back to the split that copying from us is not allowed. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:29, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
:::I think it could be to try and make the fandom wikis page look as good the pages here are. I confess, I did the same to bulbapedia and the fandom pokemon wiki.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 13:12, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
:::I see no reason to not make a stink about it to whatever passes for admin there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:14, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
::::Thylacine - According to CC BY-SA 3.0, they are free to copy our material as long as they provide credit that it was copied from us. If they ''don't'' do that, and I'm very much assuming they don't, then we should absolutely raise hell about it, as M Sipher suggests.
::::As an example, after Wowpedia moved to wiki.gg and became Warcraft Wiki, Fandom put a blanket ban on linking to wiki.gg (for bullshit reasons) and so we've been aggressively deleting any Wowpedia pages that were copied from us because they are functionally unable to provide proper attribution and their staff fucked up and never depowered one of our admins. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 14:31, 13 July 2025 (EDT)a
:::::They are definitely not providing any credit, and they also still have ''as their very first listed policy'' "no copying from Wikipedia or TFWiki." transformers dot fandom dot com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki:Policies#Plagiarism --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:29, 13 July 2025 (EDT)

Their site lists four admins, of whom two are obviously long retired. One who was last active in May is the source of some of the plagiarism, and also showed themself to be unresponsive to multiple direct questions posted on their wall by Fandom higher-ups. That leaves the one who was last active in June. I wrote that one a message summarizing all this as best I can, bearing in mind that systematically comparing pages on some other peoples' wiki is not at all something I am interested in doing. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:02, 14 July 2025 (EDT)
:Honestly, failing any response from their admins (which I will imagine will be the case), I think anyone happening to spot plagiarised material can happily just go ahead and delete it on the spot, citing their own policy of not copying from TFWiki. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 10:11, 14 July 2025 (EDT)
::A response: transformers dot fandom dot com/wiki/Message_Wall:Moviejunkie2009

::I msged the other suggested admins, no response. I did NOT msg the suggested Fandom "community manager" because they have no reason to help us, if anything I expect their response would be to simply erase the relict, circa-2008 anti-plagiarism policy that the current community knows nothing about.

::I do ''not'' enjoy scanning their New Articles page every day and maxing out my allowed daily edits by blanking the neverending incoming pasted pages. I am going to stop doing this. It pisses me off that a zero-effort community can ignore its own rules and steal our work, but it feels even worse to compulsively devote my free time to marginally cleaning up a zero-effort community's messes. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 20:07, 17 July 2025 (EDT)

== The General commercial with Bumblebee and Shaq ==

I think we should have information on this commercial for The General with Bumblebee and Shaq:

https://tformers.com/watch-bumblebee-shaq-acting-up-in-new-the-general-insurance-spot/55134/news.html
--[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 13:11, 26 July 2025 (EDT)

== Maintenance heads up ==

Just to let everyone know, I'm going to take the site offline temporarily in about an hour for maintenance. Should not be offline for too long, hopefully. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:24, 29 August 2025 (EDT)
:And we're back. Thank you for your patience.--[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:43, 29 August 2025 (EDT)
::Thank you for your work, abates! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:53, 29 August 2025 (EDT)

== Coverage idea ==

We should add a "Major events" section to the episode articles. It helps keep track of events alongside continuity notes and could help finding specific episodes better.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 19:07, 16 September 2025 (EDT)
:Struggling to picture what exactly that would look like. --[[User:Arren1234 |Arren Meuchel]] [[User_talk:Arren1234 |(talk)]] 15:07, 17 September 2025 (EDT)
::Like a Major Events header, then the body text is any important Events that happen in the episode. (E.g. Darkest Hour in TFP: The autobot base is destroyed)[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 01:38, 13 October 2025 (EDT)
:::Perhaps you could put together an example on a sandbox page? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 06:55, 14 October 2025 (EDT)
::::Uh, idk how to make sandboxes. There are examples over on Bulbapedia though, so that should give a rough idea on what im suggesting. [[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 08:02, 14 October 2025 (EDT)
:::::https://tfwiki.net/wiki/User:Poliwag06/Sandbox [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 09:55, 14 October 2025 (EDT)
:::::: I think this works for something like Bulbapedia because Pokemon is a pretty episodic 1000 episode anime with a set of regular events that it's useful to track (X caught / traded / lost a Pokemon / gym battle), whereas Transformers doesn't really work the same way? And things similar to that are already tracked in the trivia notes (the Alchemor prisoner manifest) or kinda fall into listicles which aren't popular (ie who used Cyber Keys that episode, what mini-cons were collected). Trying to qualify what counts as a "major event" outside of, say, "Character debuts / final appearances", which are also already in the trivia notes for for some series (definitely Animated, maybe others), especially in plot terms, feels difficult and liable to cruft and for people to just read the headline of the article. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 18:01, 14 October 2025 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, the notes already serve as a pseudo-"major events" section with all the stuff you just named, and if you were to look for anything else to add you’d probably end up with something that has so many details it may as well just be the synopsis. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 20:53, 14 October 2025 (EDT)

== Overview of pre-TF page ==
Hey, just posting here to provide a wiki-wide notification of sorts that I started an "Overview" section on the [[Pre-Transformers]] page and it's in dire need of some chunks of summarized information primarily regarding Diaclone and Micro Change and their respective Transformers localizations, as per the various stub markers left in specific sections. It feels like that page has been needing a proper written history of pre-TFs for a while now, so if anyone could help me fill it out then I'd be glad! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 22:14, 12 October 2025 (EDT))
:I'll see about taking a crack at the Diaclone bits as I can. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 00:37, 13 October 2025 (EDT)
::Thank you for volunteering, and wow, I had no idea about [[Horloge Robot]]: his page has now been made! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 05:06, 13 October 2025 (EDT))
:::Wahey, thank you! As you can imagine I'd been meaning to get around to that for ages. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:45, 13 October 2025 (EDT)

== Overgear continuity ==
Maybe I'm asking this question a bit too early since we only have a vague premise and prototype images for [[Transformers Overgear]], but... Should we archive the figures released underneath it under their characters' G1 pages (when applicable) as it is usually done with odd Takara releases, or should they get entirely new pages instead? This feels like a toyline with a very distinct concept from most other regular ''Transformers'' assortments, so I'm frankly leaning on the latter. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 22:27, 16 October 2025 (EDT))
:It’s probably too early. And jumping the gun has bitten us in the ass before. Remember [[Cliffjumper (Yolopark)|Ladybug?]] [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 12:40, 17 October 2025 (EDT)

== Proposing a comedic category for fraud ==

Given the ongoing hubhub over the probable scammers who call themselves [[Mbilia Studios]], how about we make up a "Category:Fraud" or "Category:Fraudsters" like we have "Category:Things that don't exist"? Pat Lee and Dreamwave Productions come to mind as possible members for such a wiki category. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 08:22, 4 November 2025 (EST)
:I see where you’re coming from but it also would be a massive vandal magnet. [[User:Hyperious|Hyperious]] ([[User talk:Hyperious|talk]]) 08:35, 4 November 2025 (EST)

::that also sounds legally actionable in a way the wiki probably doesn't want to deal with. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] ([[User talk:Hooper X|talk]]) 10:14, 4 November 2025 (EST)
:::Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeah nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooo let's not. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:01, 4 November 2025 (EST)
::::Sounds like a bad idea to me as well... - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 16:52, 4 November 2025 (EST)
:Joining in to say that yeah, I also agree that this is a bad idea. But I do think that the Mbilia Studios page needs a Controversy section at the very least, the Trivia portion is ridiculously cluttered and it feels like a lot of it would be more comfortably read as just part of a standard couple of paragraphs. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 07:45, 12 November 2025 (EST))
::Agreed. I don't think we need that much detailing of how bad the AI video is. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:19, 12 November 2025 (EST)

Ninjaink

2026-03-26T05:54:37Z

Lonegamer78:

[[File:NinjainkSelfPortrait.jpg|thumb|right|250px|]]

'''Ninjaink''' is the name used by artist '''Timothy Lim''' (born [[July 28]], [[1982]]). As Ninjaink, Lim has done cover work and interior illustrations for [[IDW Publishing]] titles such as ''[[Ghostbusters]]'', ''[[Back to the Future]]'', ''[[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles]]'', ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars Adventures]]'' and ''[[Street Fighter II × Transformers|Street Fighter]] X [[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]''. As an employee of [[We Love Fine]], Lim has done licensed merchandising art for ''Star Wars'', [[Marvel Comics]], numerous [[Hasbro]] brands, and many other licenses.

He is also co-author of numerous pro-Trump works, including a children's book that includes references to white nationalism and sexual assault,<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://www.salon.com/2018/01/06/alex-jones-is-hawking-pro-trump-childrens-book-that-indoctrinates-them-to-white-nationalism_partner/|name=Timothy Johnson|site=Salon.com|title=Alex Jones is hawking pro-Trump children’s book that indoctrinates them to white nationalism|year=2018|month=01|day=06}}</ref> so that's nice.

==Covers==
*[[New Cybertron Part 1: To Walk Among the Chosen|''Optimus Prime'' #1]] RIPT variant
*[[Dissolution Part 1: Some Other Cybertron|''Lost Light'' #1]] RIPT variant
*[[The World In Your Eyes Part One|''Transformers'' #1]] Comic Books for Kids variant

==Licensed Transformers work==

Ninjaink has produced [http://community.welovefine.com/profile/7940 numerous Transformers t-shirt designs]. Highlights include:

[[Knights of Unicron (band)|Knights of Unicron]]
*''Dark Side of the Matrix'' t-shirt
*''Bot Out of Chaar'' t-shirt
*''Til All Are One'' tour t-shirt (reverse side venue list only)

[[My Little Pony]]/Transformers crossover t-shirt series (adapted from IDW covers)
*[https://www.forfansbyfans.com/pinkieprime-5736.html Til All Are Fun!] ([[Pinkie Pie]]/[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]])
*[https://www.forfansbyfans.com/thrillseeker-9169.html Thrill Seeker] ([[Rainbow Dash]]/[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]])
*[https://www.forfansbyfans.com/raisethehoof-9174.html Operation: Raise Da Hoof!] ([[Vinyl Scratch]]/[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]])
*[https://www.forfansbyfans.com/friendshipthroughtyranny-9173.html Friendship Through Tyranny] ([[wikia:mlp:Princess Luna#Nightmare Moon|Nightmare Moon]]/[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]])

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
Image:SteveBlum1.jpg
Image:Dark Side of the Matrix album cover.jpg
Image:Bot Out Of Chaar album cover.jpg
Image:LL1 Riptcvr.jpg
Image:OP1 Riptcvr.jpg
TF1 cvr RE B.jpg
</gallery>

''[[:Category:Images by Ninjaink|Extended Ninjaink gallery]]''</center>

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[https://www.facebook.com/NinjainkArt/ Ninjaink on Facebook]
*[http://ninjaink.tumblr.com/ Ninjaink on Tumblr]

[[Category:Cover artists]]

General Motors

2026-03-26T03:56:25Z

Lonegamer78: Updating some links

:''General Motors is an automobile company from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]], [[Transformers (2007 franchise)|Movie]], and real world [[Continuity family|continuity families]].''

[[File:GM_new_logo.jpg|right|thumb|Hmmmm.]]

'''General Motors Company''', also known as '''GM''', is the largest auto company headquartered in the [[United States of America]]. Founded in [[1908]] in [[Flint (city)|Flint]], [[Michigan]], the company is headquartered in [[Detroit]], Michigan at present and presumably in the [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|near future]]. (Or not.) The company's U.S. brands have included Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, Hummer, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Geo, Saturn, Buick and more.

Currently GM's U.S. brands are down to Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, and Buick.

On [[June 1]], [[2009]], General Motors filed for [[President of the United States|US government-assisted]] bankruptcy protection with plans to emerge as a smaller, less debt-riddled company. <ref>{{citesocial|link=https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna31030038|site=NBC News|title=Humbled GM files for bankruptcy protection|year=2009|month=05|day=31}}</ref>

==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
====Binaltech====
{{stub}}

===Transformers (2007)===
====Transformers: Rise of the Chevy Autobots====
A small army of mass-produced [[Autobot]]s are on [[Earth]] disguised as Chevy brand vehicles, under the command of [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]. They must stop the [[Decepticon]] [[Mainframe (Movie)|Mainframe]], who eventually ended up on Earth after being exiled for a failed attempt to overthrow [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

A General Motors scientist, [[Dina Morgan]], made contact with the Autobots [[Flash (Movie)|Flash]] and [[Ridge]], and learnt about [[energon]]. She said in a report that energon could be ''the'' fuel of the 21st Century, but that got her targeted by Mainframe. She was used as bait to lure Bumblebee into a trap. {{storylink|Transformers: Rise of the Chevy Autobots}}

'''Autobot types'''
[[File:Silveradomovie.jpg|right|upright=0.85|thumb|"I'm not Dropkick, I swear."]]
* [[Avalanche]]
* [[Aveo]]
* [[Cobalt]]
* [[Equinox]]
* [[HHR]]
* [[Impala]]
* [[Silverado]]
{{-}}

====Transformers (2007) film====
[[File:Movie2007 Jazz dealership.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Why buy? When you can be!]][[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] is very impressed by the Pontiac Solstice on a turntable in a GM dealer's showroom. So he transforms into one! {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers (2007)}}
{{-}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1 & 2 (unlicensed)===
'''Chevrolet'''
[[File:RoadRage-toy.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|Wings, missile launchers, and robot mode not standard.]]
* [[Big Daddy (G1)|Big Daddy]] - {{w|Chevrolet Bel Air|Bel Air}} hot rod
* [[Windbreaker]] - {{w|Chevrolet Camaro (third generation)|Camaro Z28}}
* [[Road Rage (G1)|Road Rage]] - {{w|Chevrolet Corvette C3|Corvette C3}}
* [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] - Corvette C3
* [[Skram (G2)|Skram]] - Corvette C3 hot rod
* [[Freeway (G1)|Freeway]] - {{w|Chevrolet Corvette C4|Corvette C4}}
* [[Motorhead (G1)|Motorhead]] - Corvette C4
* [[Detour (G1)|Detour]] - {{w|Chevrolet Engineering Research Vehicle#CERV III|Corvette Indy}}
* [[Drench (G1)|Drench]] - Corvette Indy

'''Pontiac'''
* [[Punch (G1)|Punch/Counterpunch]] - {{w|Pontiac Fiero|Fiero}}
:'''{{w|Pontiac Firebird|Firebird Trans Am, Third Generation}}'''
* [[Camaro]] (!)
* [[Gunrunner (Zone)|Gunrunner]]
* [[Roadhandler (G1)|Roadhandler]]
* [[Rook (Universe)|Rook]]
* [[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]]
* [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]]
* [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]]

===Robots in Disguise (unlicensed)===
* [[Side Swipe (RID 2001)|Side Swipe]] - {{w|Chevrolet Camaro (fourth generation)|Fourth Generation Camaro}}

===Alternators/Binaltech===
The 2004 {{w|Chevrolet Corvette C5|Corvette C5 Z06}} was licensed.

* [[Tracks (G1)|Autobot Tracks]]
* [[Ravage (G1)/toys|Battle Ravage]]
* [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]]

===Universe (2003)===
* [[Swerve (Chevy)|Swerve]], the only case of a new-mold Transformer produced as an [[exclusive]]. ({{w|Chevrolet Aveo|T250 Chevrolet Aveo}})

===Transformers (2007)===
[[File:Movie Ironhide PremiumVoyager toy.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|Triggerhappy robot not an option.]]
'''[[Transformers (film)|Film]]'''

* [[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]] (2007 {{w|Pontiac Solstice}})
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]] (1976 & 2006 {{w|Chevrolet Camaro (fifth generation)#Chevrolet Camaro Concept (2006)|Chevrolet Camaro Concept)}}
* [[Ironhide (Movie)/toys|Ironhide]] (2007 {{w|Chevrolet Kodiak|GMC Topkick}})
* [[Ratchet (Movie)/toys|Ratchet]] (2007 {{w|Hummer H2}})

'''[[Battle for the Allspark]]/[[Transformers The Game]]'''

* [[Dropkick (Movie)|Dropkick]] (Based upon 2007 {{w|Chevrolet Silverado}})
* [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]] (Based upon 2007 {{w|Chevrolet Cobalt}})
* [[Stockade (Movie)|Stockade]] (Based upon 2007 {{w|Cadillac Escalade}})

===Revenge of the Fallen===
* [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] (2009 {{w|Corvette Stingray (concept car)|Corvette Stingray Concept}})
* [[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]] (2010 {{w|Chevrolet Volt}})
* [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] ({{w|Daewoo Matiz|Chevrolet Beat Concept}})
* [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] ({{w|Chevrolet Trax (concept car)|Chevrolet Trax Concept}})
{{stub}}

===Dark of the Moon===
* [[Topspin (DOTM)|Topspin]], [[Leadfoot (DOTM)|Leadfoot]], [[Roadbuster (DOTM)|Roadbuster]] (Heavily modified {{w|Chevrolet Impala#NASCAR|Chevrolet Impala NASCAR stock car}})
* [[Crankcase (DOTM)|Crankcase]] (Modified {{w|Chevrolet Suburban|GMT900 Chevrolet Suburban}})
* Skids, Mudflap ({{w|Daewoo Matiz#Third generation|Chevrolet Spark}})
* Sideswipe ({{w|Corvette Stingray (concept car)|Corvette Stingray Concept}})
* Ironhide (GMC Topkick)
* Ratchet (Hummer H2)
{{stub}}

===Age of Extinction===
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] - {{w|Chevrolet Camaro (fifth generation)|modified 2014 Camaro SS}}
*[[Crosshairs (AOE)|Crosshairs]] - {{w|Chevrolet Corvette (seventh generation)|Corvette Stingray C7}}

===The Last Knight===
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] - {{w|Chevrolet Camaro (sixth generation)|custom-built 2016 Camaro SS}}
*[[Crosshairs (AOE)|Crosshairs]] - {{w|hevrolet Corvette (seventh generation)|Corvette Stingray C7}}

==Bigger Toys==
===Transformers (2007)===
*'''Jazz''' (2007 Pontiac Solstice)

:In association with [[Hasbro]], [[DreamWorks]], and GM (whew), {{w|Maxim (magazine)|''Maxim'' magazine}} held a "Win Jazz" contest where one lucky reader would win a silver 2007 Pontiac Solstice equipped with the options used for [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] in [[Transformers (film)|''Transformers'']], including the custom hardtop and spoiler otherwise never available on the [[2007]] model.
{{-}}
{{picsneeded}}

[[File:Movie MonroeTopkickIronhideEdition.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|What do you mean there are no cannons?]]
*'''GMC Topkick 4500 Ironhide Edition''' (model year 2008)

:This was a production line variant of the {{w|Chevrolet Kodiak|GMC Topkick C4500}} crew cab medium-duty truck in black with the modifications Dreamworks made for the character [[Ironhide (Movie)/toys|Ironhide]], though it retains the stock large side-view mirrors and orange lights. The modifications were done by [http://www.monroetruck.com/index.asp Monroe Truck Equipment].

:Production on the GMC Topkick truck ceased when General Motors exited the medium-duty truck market in 2009.
{{-}}

===Revenge of the Fallen===
[[File:ChevyCamaroTransformersSpecialEdition.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Chevrolet Camaro Transformers Special Edition''' (2009)

:Starting [[June 1]], [[2009]], Chevrolet began taking orders for the Bumblebee Edition package for the 2009/2010 Chevy Camaro. The package consists of Rally Yellow exterior color with black "Bumblebee" stripes and "''Transformers''" badging on the wheel center caps, sill plates and embroidered console lid. The package was available for Camaro LT and SS models.

:Production of the Transformers Special Edition ceased on [[January 12]], [[2010]], and with an estimated 1,500 Camaro to have been produced straight from order workbenches.<ref> {{citesocial|link=https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48563|site=Camaro5.com|title=Camaro changes - Aqua Blue and Transformers Edition to end; high wing spoiler; hurst|year=2009|month=10|day=22}}</ref> Though production for this full package (with an order of a new Camaro) has ceased, the individual parts that made up the package can still be purchased through authorised GM accessory dealers. However, inspection of the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) would reveal if the Camaro was a true Transformers Special Edition or an after-market clone.

{{-}}

===Dark of the Moon===
[[File:ChevyCamaro2012TransformersSpecialEdition.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Chevrolet Camaro 2012 Transformers Special Edition''' (2011)

:In conjunction with ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'', Chevrolet began taking orders for the 2012 Transformers Special Edition package for the Chevy Camaro in July, 2011, with vehicles arriving at dealers in the U.S. and Canada in September of the same year. Based upon the Bumblebee Camaro prop as it appears in ''Dark of the Moon'', the package consists of Rally Yellow exterior color with black rally stripes that stretch over the hood, roof, decklid and a ''Dark of the Moon'' -inspired high-wing rear spoiler; 20-inch, black-painted wheels with performance tires, and Autobot Shield logos on the center caps and front quarter panels.

[[File:ChevyCamaro2012TransformersSpecialEdition optionals.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67]]

:Inside, the package has a black leather interior accented with yellow stitching on the instrument panel, center console, armrests and seats. Autobot Shield logos are embroidered on the front headrests, as well as the center console lid.

:Additionally, two dealer-installed options are available: exclusive, 21-inch, black-painted wheels and a black ground-effects package.
{{-}}

[[File:ChevySparkTransformersEdition.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Chevrolet Spark Transformers Edition''' (2011)

:Produced in a limited run of 1000 units for the South Korean market, the Chevrolet Spark ''Transformers'' Edition features a black paint scheme with orange racing stripes based upon Mudflap's prop (that was cut from) ''Dark of the Moon'', an aero kit with side skirts, 15-inch glossy black wheels, and various Autobot and Transformers sigils and branding.

:Pricing in South Korea was announced at 11,823.00 won for a manual transmission or 13,326.00 for an automatic.

{{-}}

==Notes==
* [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Generation 1 Megatron]] would have been a licensed Cadillac XLR in the [[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]] line had sales justified more toys for 2007.
* Unusual for a car manufacturer, the GM company store once carried a selection of some of the licensed toys produced for the live action films. <ref>{{citesocial|link=https://web.archive.org/web/20240122004200/https://www.gmcompanystore.com/search?type=product&options=last&q=Transformers|site=General Motors Company Store}}</ref>

==External links==
*[http://www.gm.com/ General Motors corporate website]

==References==
<references />
[[Category:Alternators]]
[[Category:Companies]]
[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Vehicle brands]]

Nicholas Bickle

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Nick Bickle

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{{disambig3|Nicholas|Nick/Nicholas}}
[[Image:Nick Bickle.jpg|thumb|right|150px]]

'''Nicholas "Nick" Bickle''' was a Navy SEAL who worked as a consultant on ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)| Dark of the Moon]]'' as well as appearing onscreen as a member of [[NEST]]. After interning for U.S. Senator {{w|Max Cleland}}, he enlisted in the Navy in 2004 and following which he did two tours in Iraq and was for a time a warfare tactics instructor at Naval Amphibious Base in California.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://web.archive.org/web/20101126234909/https://militarycorruption.com/bickle.htm|site=MilitaryCorruption.com|title=ACCUSED NAVY SEAL A HERO, OR ARMS SMUGGLER?|year=2010}}</ref> He was arrested in November 2010 with two other men and later found guilty of smuggling weapons and explosives from Iraq back to the US.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/courts/service-freedom-will-end-for-convicted-seal/|name=Carri Geer Thevenot|site=Las Vegas Review-Journal|title=Service, freedom will end for convicted SEAL|year=2011|month=11|day=19}}</ref> After his conviction, Bickle was ignobly discharged in November 2011, {{w|Military discharge#Under Other Than Honorable Conditions (UOTHC) Discharge|below a dishonorable discharge}}.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/courts/ex-seal-convicted-of-arms-trafficking-ignobly-discharged/|name=Doug McMurdo|site=Las Vegas Review-Journal|title=Ex-SEAL convicted of arms trafficking ignobly discharged|year=2011|month=12|day=23}}</ref> In July 2012, he was sentenced to 17½ years in prison.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://apnews.com/general-news-82914c42841344b484c72889f9ecea30|name=Ken Ritter|site=Associated Press|title=Ex-Navy SEAL gets nearly 18 years in weapons case|year=2012|month=07|day=17}}</ref>

==Acting roles==
===''Transformers: Dark of the Moon'' (2011)===
*[[Chapman]]

==External links==
*[https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4466988/ Nick Bickle on the IMDB]

==References==
<references />

{{DEFAULTSORT:Bickle, Nick}}
[[Category:DreamWorks]]
[[Category:On-camera actors]]

Nick Bickle

2026-02-21T15:46:19Z

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Nick Bickle

2026-02-21T15:44:54Z

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{{disambig3|Nicholas|Nick/Nicholas}}
[[Image:Nick Bickle.jpg|thumb|right|150px]]

'''Nick Bickle''' is a Navy SEAL who worked as a consultant on ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)| Dark of the Moon]]'' as well as appearing onscreen as a member of [[NEST]]. After interning for U.S. senator Max Cleland, he enlisted in the Navy in 2004 and following which he did two tours in Iraq and was for a time a warfare tactics instructor at Naval Amphibious Base in California.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20101126234909/https://militarycorruption.com/bickle.htm ACCUSED NAVY SEAL A HERO, OR ARMS SMUGGLER?] on militarycorruption.com (archived)</ref> He was arrested in November 2010 with two other men and later found guilty of smuggling weapons and explosives from Iraq back to the US.<ref>[https://archive.ph/Zyeod Service, freedom will end for convicted SEAL] (archived)</ref> In July 2012, he was sentenced to 17½ years in prison.<ref>[https://archive.ph/dQLtz Ex-SEAL gets nearly 18 years in weapons case] (archived)</ref>

==Acting roles==
===''Transformers: Dark of the Moon'' (2011)===
*[[Chapman]]

==External links==
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4466988/ Nick Bickle on the IMDB]

==References==
<references />

{{DEFAULTSORT:Bickle, Nick}}
[[Category:DreamWorks]]
[[Category:On-camera actors]]

Nick Bickle

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Nick Bickle

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Nick Bickle

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{{disambig3|Nicholas|Nick/Nicholas}}
[[Image:Nick Bickle.jpg|thumb|right|150px]]

'''Nick Bickle''' is a Navy SEAL who worked as a consultant on ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)| Dark of the Moon]]'' as well as appearing onscreen as a member of [[NEST]]. After interning for U.S. senator Max Cleland, he enlisted in the Navy in 2004 and following which he did two tours in Iraq and was for a time a warfare tactics instructor at Naval Amphibious Base in California.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://web.archive.org/web/20101126234909/https://militarycorruption.com/bickle.htm|site=MilitaryCorruption.com|title=ACCUSED NAVY SEAL A HERO, OR ARMS SMUGGLER?|year=2010}}</ref> He was arrested in November 2010 with two other men and later found guilty of smuggling weapons and explosives from Iraq back to the US.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/courts/service-freedom-will-end-for-convicted-seal/|name=Carri Geer Thevenot|site=Las Vegas Review-Journal|title=Service, freedom will end for convicted SEAL|year=2011|month=11|day=19}}</ref> In July 2012, he was sentenced to 17½ years in prison.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://apnews.com/general-news-82914c42841344b484c72889f9ecea30|name=Ken Ritter|site=Associated Press|title=Ex-Navy SEAL gets nearly 18 years in weapons case|year=2012|month=07|day=17}}</ref>

==Acting roles==
===''Transformers: Dark of the Moon'' (2011)===
*[[Chapman]]

==External links==
*[https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4466988/ Nick Bickle on the IMDB]

==References==
<references />

{{DEFAULTSORT:Bickle, Nick}}
[[Category:DreamWorks]]
[[Category:On-camera actors]]

Megatron (Cyberworld)

2026-02-16T19:23:34Z

Lonegamer78: /* Notes */

{{factions|decepticon|hofsilver}}
{{disambig3|Megatron}}
:''Megatron is the [[Decepticon]] leader from [[Transformers: Cyberworld (franchise)|Cyberworld]].''
[[File:TF-Cyberworld-Character-Reveal-Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Peace through teamkilling.]]

'''Megatron''' is the ruthless and almighty leader of the [[Decepticon]]s. After getting hit by [[Optimus Prime (Cyberworld)|a truck]] one too many times, he's been transported to the game-like realm of [[Cyberworld]], where he spends most of his time competing in epic gamer challenges. Believing that only the strong can survive, Megatron will do anything to win—though this does mean he sometimes charges in without thinking.

==Fiction==
===''Cyberworld'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[James Alexander]] (English)|[[Octavio Rojas]] (Latin-American Spanish), [[Idzi Dutkiewicz Sánchez]] (Latin-American Spanish, one line dubbing error in "What Goes Up"), [[Julien Tiphaine]] (French), [[Reinaldo Vilela]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}
[[File:Megatron pins bumblebee to the ground with his axe.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|LFG?]]

Some time ago, after arriving on [[Cyberworld (location)|Cyberworld]], Megatron made a truce with [[Grimlock (Cyberworld)|Grimlock]]. {{storylink|What Goes Up}}

Megatron came across a disoriented [[Bumblebee (Cyberworld)|Bumblebee]] as the [[Autobot]] came online in Cyberworld. {{storylink|Commence Program}} He led Bumblebee to a [[challenge (Cyberworld)|challenge]], Module 17.09.84 "Target Blaster", pretending that they would be cooperating as a team; as soon as the timer began, he switched to bull form and charged at the targets. By the time Bumblebee worked out what was going on, Megatron had smashed all but one of the targets, which Bumblebee managed to blast just in time. When the final scores were revealed, however, Megatron was furious to see that he had scored zero, having failed to blast the targets, while Bumblebee had scored one. As Bumblebee was rewarded, Megatron was drained of his Energon. Once the program ended, Megatron turned on him, taking him by surprise with a blast from his arm-cannon. {{storylink|Prime Target (Cyberworld)|Prime Target}} Later, Megatron was resting in a stone temple when [[Sky-Byte (Cyberworld)|Sky-Byte]] informed him of [[Optimus Prime (Cyberworld)|Optimus Prime]]'s arrival to Cyberworld. {{storylink|River Race Ruckus}} Megatron recruited Sky-Byte and [[Mirage (Cyberworld)|Mirage]] to eliminate Optimus Prime and company. {{storylink|Smoke & Mirrors}}

Megatron was waiting at a spawn point when the Autobot group arrived, now including [[Elita-1 (Cyberworld)|Elita-1]] and Grimlock as party members. He taunted them, told Grimlock their truce was off, and when Mirage dropped out of the sky, threatened him too. As the module began - a race to the summit of various platforms - he conscripted Mirage, and reluctantly, [[Chop Shop (Cyberworld)|Chop Shop]]. His race to the top generally consisted of him threatening his teammates and leaving them behind as they got caught in various traps, as well as knocking both Grimlock and Elita-1 down to the ground below. Optimus Prime confronted him, and he dodged the question of whether he had brought them to Cyberworld, instead triggering a trap to send Optimus plummeting. The Decepticons won the module, rewarding him with energon, and he taunted the others that next time they met, he would make sure to eliminate them properly. {{storylink|What Goes Up}}
{{ongoing}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===''Cyberworld''===
{{anchor|bull}}
[[File:TF-Cyberworld-Megatron-Bull.jpg|thumb|upright=1|Destined for a [[Horri-Bull]] redeco.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Megatron''' (Cyber Changer, [[2025]])}}</ul>
:*''Environment'': Jungle
:*''Accessories'': Axe
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro)<ref name=moustache>{{citesocial|quote=Still can't believe I was able to turn Megs into a bull! Hope yall are watching CYBERWORLD!|link=https://www.instagram.com/markclonus/|name=Mark Maher|site=Instagram|year=2025|month=08|day=31|defunct=y}}</ref>}}

:Released in the first assortment of ''[[Transformers: Cyberworld (toyline)|Cyberworld]]'' Cyber Changers, Megatron transforms into a robotic bull with a partial [[autotransformation]], his torso having a multi-geared conversion that moves his robot and beast heads into place as the waist is raised or lowered. He has the same simple [[articulation]] as other Cyber Changers (shoulders, hips and knees) and the standard [[5 mm post|5 mm]]-compatible hands, as well as a 3 mm [[flight stand]] port on his butt. In bull mode, he possesses no articulation whatsoever, but you can un-tab the arms from the chest to get a bit of range out of them.

: He includes a double-bladed axe with a curved knife blade at its center and a ''very'' short handle, which in [[beast mode]] plugs onto his butt to form his tail. Though the handle for this weapon is a stepped peg, the smaller tip is too small for 3 mm ports.

: Megatron [[Retool#Shared engineering|shares his transformation scheme]] with his wavemates [[Snarl (Cyberworld)#Toys|Snarl]] and Armored Cyber Changer [[Galvatron (Cyberworld)#Toys|Galvatron]].

{{-}}{{anchor|ultimatecyberchanger}}
[[File:TF-Cyberworld-Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1|The nauseating camoflage pattern of a true pro gamer.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Megatron''' (Ultimate Cyber Changer, 2025)}}</ul>
:*''Environment'': Desert
:*''Accessories'': Blaster

: Released at his own $24.99 price point in the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Cyberworld (toyline)|Cyberworld]]'' toys, Ultimate Cyber Changer Megatron is a [[retool]] of ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (toyline)|The Last Knight]]'' [[Hound (Movie)#Knight Armor Turbo Changer|Knight Armor Turbo Changer Hound]], with a new head, abdomen, color scheme, and removable gun accessory, based on ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Generation 2|Megatron]]. The vehicle's front fascia has also been replaced, and a gunner platform has been added at the back of the vehicle to allow smaller Cyber Changers to "RIDE & BATTLE" on him. He stands roughly seven inches tall and converts to "tank mode" in just four steps.

==Notes==
* Production art from designer [[Mark Maher]] shows Megatron with a [[facial hair|moustache]]. [[Galvatron (Cyberworld)|Coincidence?]]<ref name=moustache />

===Foreign names===
* ''Cantonese'': '''Zung1gik6zin3zoeng1 Mak6gaa1dang1''' (終極戰將麥加登, Traditional; "Ultimate Battle General Megatron") (Ultimate Cyber Changer)

==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:Cyberworld-Megatron-beast.jpg|Beast mode
</gallery>

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ8BtXNI7sY Character reveal]

[[Category:Cyberworld Decepticons]]
[[Category:Hall of Fame characters]]

Heading to New Heist

2025-12-14T23:47:43Z

Lonegamer78: /* Synopsis */

{{episode
|otherseries=''[[Transformers: Cyberworld (cartoon)|Transformers: Cyberworld]]'' episode 15
|prev=Shoot 'N' Loot
|next=That's Gotta Sting (Part 1)
|title=Heading to New Heist
|season=1
|season ep=15
|image=Elita_Optimus_Fire.jpg
|caption=
|production company=[[Hasbro Entertainment]]
|airdate=[[November 15]], 2025
|writers=[[Ryan Denham]]
|animation studio=[[Omens Studio LTD]]
|continuity=Cyberworld
|video=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC71cH3-ZME
|videosite=YouTube
}}

'''The Autobots sneak inside Megatron's lair to steal back data on Scorponok.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Mirage (Cyberworld)|Mirage]] explains to [[Elita-1 (Cyberworld)|Elita-1]], that she and the rest of Team Prime will have to break into [[Megatron (Cyberworld)|Megatron]]'s base if they want to retrieve the data on Scorponok, thankfully, Mirage tells Elita, he has all the know-how needed to bypass most of the base's security, he just needs Team Prime to open a few doors for him inside. Meanwhile, [[Bumblebee (Cyberworld)|Bumblebee]] desperately tries to dodge cannon fire, and when Elita snarks at him for calling for help, he goes to shoot at the cannons himself, only to find they're shielded. When Bee asks whether they're prepared for this occasion, Mirage answers by becoming visible right between the remaining cannons and then flying away, letting them take themselves out. He explains to a questioning Bumblebee that someone has to be cannon fodder when grilled on why he didn't make Bumblebee invisible, too. Just then, a new set of cannons appears on top of the building, but [[Optimus Prime (Cyberworld)|Optimus Prime]] jumps up and cuts them down before they can do any damage. He then gives the go-ahead for phase two of the heist.

[[File:Bumbletron.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.33|The Megatron is a lie.]]
Bumblebee, Elita, and Mirage enter the base from the front entrance, with Elita almost falling into an acid pit a short way into the trip. They all eventually make it out of the acid pit and into a room where Elita holds down a lever so that the building's defenses don't cook Optimus to death while the others move on. Optimus opted to make his way in through the vents, a fact Elita chides him for, but Prime insists was the best course of action. Elita tells Bumblebee and Mirage to hurry up as she is getting tired, so Mirage instructs Bumblebee to stop goofing around in Megatron's body and pass through the gate already. Bumblebee passes the optical scan easily but finds the voice authentication a lot more difficult. The fact that Elita is under fire by a cannon that just appeared and that Optimus is being pursued by molten lava does nothing but put pressure on the poor bot's shoulders, but after Mirage diverts some missiles from him, he finally passes and Team Prime goes to claim the data while Mirage leaves to avoid facing Megatron's wrath. While reviewing the data, they find logs of experiments that were done on [[Scorponok (Cyberworld)|Scorponok]]. Optimus then discovers a [[Power Siphon]] that Megatron used to store [[energon]] and boost himself when needed. Elita claims that the device's current lack of energon suggests that Megatron powered up to go fight Scorponok. Prime is motivated by this to pursue Megatron and save Scorponok's life. At Bumblebee's suggestion, both Bee and Optimus upgrade themselves to better function in a desert environment, and all of Team Prime use the leftover energon to level themselves up.

At the desert, [[Chop Shop (Cyberworld)|Chop Shop]] and [[Sky-Byte (Cyberworld)|Sky-Byte]] assure Scorponok that the Decepticons mean no harm to him, and Megatron adds that they are friends and want to help him.

==Featured characters==
{{Featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Optimus Prime (Cyberworld)|Optimus Prime]] (4)
* [[Bumblebee (Cyberworld)|Bumblebee]] (3)
* [[Elita-1 (Cyberworld)|Elita-1]] (2)

|c2=
* [[Megatron (Cyberworld)|Megatron]] (9)
* [[Scorponok (Cyberworld)|Scorponok]] (6)
* [[Chop Shop (Cyberworld)|Chop Shop]] (7)
* [[Sky-Byte (Cyberworld)|Sky-Byte]] (8)

|c4=
* [[Mirage (Cyberworld)|Mirage]] (1)
* Mysterious Voice (5)
}}

==Quotes==
"This is tighter than I expected."<br>
"I did say someone smaller could do it."<br>
"It's too ''—ow—'' dangerous. ''—ow—'' It had to be ''—ow—'' me."
:— '''Optimus''' proves how self-sacrificial he is to '''Elita'''.

"Optimus! Optimus, come in!"<br>
"Well done, team. Let's get what we came for and roll out."
:— '''Elita-1''', moments before '''Optimus''' returns.

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
* When Megatron tells Scorponok that he wants to help, he shows him a small energon siphon very similar to the one our protagonists used in episodes prior.

===Character levels===
* No individual level stats appear in this episode, but the graphic that appears when Team Prime loots Megatron's energon reserves starts from level three and ends at level eight.

===Transformers references===

===Trivia===
* This episode was originally uploaded with three other ones, [[Shoot 'N' Loot]], [[Carousel Chaos]], and [[Oh Scrap!]].

[[Category: Cyberworld episodes]]

Scorponok (Cyberworld)

2025-12-14T06:39:03Z

Lonegamer78: /* Toys */ I can translate (not)!

{{factions|decepticon|}}
{{Disambig3|Scorponok}}
:''Scorponok is a [[Decepticon]] from [[Transformers: Cyberworld (franchise)|Cyberworld]].''
[[File:Cyberworld-Scorponok tech specs.jpg|thumb|upright=1.30|Where is the Lin Kuei Sub-Zero? He killed my family and clan. I will have his HEAD!]]

The final boss of [[Cyberworld (location)|Cyberworld]], '''Scorponok''' is an insurmountable threat lurking in the desert, attacking anyone who dares get too close. [[Elita-1 (Cyberworld)|Some]] say that beating him may be the only way to claim victory in the mysterious realm, but that is much, ''much'' easier said than done.

==Fiction==
===''Cyberworld'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Jack Ayres]] (English)|[[Laurent Pasquier]] (French), [[Octavio Rojas]] (Latin-American Spanish), [[Vagner Santos]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}
[[File:CyberworldEp1-ScorponokOptimus.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67|COME HERE!]]
Scorponok was hiding in the sands as [[Optimus Prime (Cyberworld)|Optimus Prime]] approached an abandoned Autobot ship, bursting out to take him by surprise. He proceeded to chase Prime away, with the Autobot fleeing into the denser jungle where he could not follow. {{storylink|Commence Program}} He was still guarding the shuttle when Optimus Prime and [[Bumblebee (Cyberworld)|Bumblebee]] scouted the area following their meet-up. {{storylink|Crate Point, Well Fought}}. At some point, his [[Tech Spec]]s ended up in [[Starscream (Cyberworld)|Starscream]]'s hands. {{storylink|Screamer City Arena}}

When Optimus returned with [[Elita-1 (Cyberworld)|Elita-1]], Bumblebee, and [[Grimlock (Cyberworld)|Grimlock]] for a rematch, Scorponok remained unfazed, he was simply too strong for the Autobots to be a serious threat. Elita and Bumblebee did manage to locate two of his weak spots, but he was soon able to knock them off. Scorponok decided to attack Bumblebee first as payback for finding one of his few weaknesses, but the rest of the team stopped him and escaped with the help of [[Snarl (Cyberworld)|Snarl]] before he could catch them. {{storylink|Storm the Desert}}

{{ongoing}}
{{-}}

==Toys==
===''Cyberworld''===
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Scorponok''' (Strike Battle Set, 2025)}}</ul>
[[File:Cyberworld Scorponok StrikeBattle.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|You no longer seek retribution? You dishonor your kind. I will honor the memory of my fallen!]]
:*''Environment'': Desert
:*''Accessories'': [[Sword]], shoulder turrets, tail tip/ hoverbike, hoverbike handles

: ''[[Transformers: Cyberworld (toyline)#Larger_toy|Cyberworld]]'' Scorponok is so far the largest figure in the range, transforming from 14-inch tall robot to robotic scorpion in 4 steps. His transformation is largely activated by a handle on his back with a trigger. As a larger ''Cyberworld'' toy, he has a bunch of features designed to interact with smaller ''Cyberworld'' figures; his stinger can combine with either of his removable arms, turrets, or sword to form a hover-bike. His right claw contains a spinning saw blade, while his left claw can grab and hold figures. His shoulder guns can become turret emplacements which smaller figures can man, and his chest can open up to seat toys as a battle platform.

:He also has a variety of lights and sounds that you can trigger by pressing in his head, which change depending on the mode. Additional sound effects are made by holding his head down. He even plays the classic transformation sound during transformation!

: The ports used to attach his claw and buzzsaw are compatible with [[Grimlock (Cyberworld)#ChompBattle|Grimlock's]] arms, so you can give him a ''T. rex'' head arm if you really want.

:His robot head sculpt and color scheme are based on ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] while his beast mode head sculpt is based on ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Earthrise]]'' [[Scorponok (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Scorponok]].

==Notes==
===Foreign names===
====Scorponok====
*''Cantonese:'' '''Saat3hak1 Geoi6jan4 Kyut3zin3 Tou3zong1''' (撒克巨人決戰套裝, Traditional; "Giant Zarak Decisive Battle-Suit")
*''Mandarin:'' '''Sàkè Jùrén Juézhàn Tàozhuāng''' (撒克巨人决战套装, Simplified)

==Gallery==
<gallery>
CyberworldEp1_Scorponok.jpg|Beast mode.
</gallery>

==External links==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di7LrxJ-Zl8 Character reveal]

[[Category:Cyberworld Decepticons]]

Grimlock (Cyberworld)

2025-12-14T06:34:15Z

Lonegamer78: /* Notes */

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{{Disambig3|Grimlock}}
:''Grimlock is an [[Autobot]] from [[Transformers: Cyberworld (franchise)|Cyberworld]].''
[[File:CyberworldEp1-GrimlockRobot.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Some people think they can outsmart me. Maybe, maybe. I have yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.]]

On [[Cyberworld (location)|Cyberworld]], might can easily make right, and '''Grimlock''', leader and self-proclaimed king of the [[Dinobot (Cyberworld)|Dinobot]]s, certainly has the might to back up his version of right. With his powerful jaws, triple-barrelled cannon arm, and other Dinobots prepared to back him up at a moment's notice, he is a powerful and feared opponent -- which is unfortunate for those who run afoul of his hair-trigger temper. Seriously, don't ask him for any grammar lessons.

{{bigquote|Not just any Dinobot, you speak with ME, GRIMLOCK! KING OF DINOBOTS!|Grimlock introduces himself to [[Optimus Prime (Cyberworld)|Optimus Prime]]|"[[Commence Program]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Cyberworld'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[James Alexander]] (English)|[[Luis Hurtado]] (Latin-American Spanish), [[Mauro Eduardo Lima]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}

[[File:Grimlock chasing optimus.jpg|thumb|left|Pretty sure the joke here is obvious.]]
Grimlock happened upon a newly-arrived [[Optimus Prime (Cyberworld)|Optimus Prime]] stealing his rightfully claimed Energon cube in the Cyberworld jungle. Uninterested in making peace, he tried to attack the Prime, chasing him in his dinosaur mode until Prime trapped him between two branches. {{storylink|Commence Program}} He was able to escape and continue his pursuit of Prime fairly quickly, but Prime again trapped to escape, this time tangling him in jungle vines. {{storylink|Prime Target (Cyberworld)|Prime Target}} With his fellow Dinobot, [[Snarl (Cyberworld)|Snarl]], they made plans to acquire a nearby crate drop and give themselves a boost in power. Finding Optimus Prime and [[Bumblebee (Cyberworld)|Bumblebee]] going for the same crate, they engaged in combat across a mudpool. Prime and Bee were able to trap them in mud while they scaled the cliff, but the Dinobots were able to quickly catch up, riding a rock propelled by a nearby geyser. It was not enough to stop Bumblebee claiming the crate and its weapons for his team, though, and after a trouncing, the Dinobots cut their losses and left. {{storylink|Crate Point, Well Fought}}

His next meeting with Prime and Bumblebee, as well as their newly recruited friend [[Elita-1 (Cyberworld)|Elita-1]] came when they were seeking out his help for taking on [[Scorponok (Cyberworld)|Scorponok]]. With Snarl having been watching and recording them, Grimlock knew this, and outright refused, seeing them as weak. Prime challenged him, one-to-one, in a Hunter vs Hunted mission, where if Prime won, he would agree to help, but if Grimlock won, then Prime and his allies would serve Grimlock. Initially, Grimlock had the upper hand, keeping Prime on his toes until the roles changed, where he began hunting the Autobot leader, but eventually Prime was able to outwit him, use his own jungle traps against him, and win. Grimlock upheld his half of the bargain, even as Snarl warned that this might jeopardise "the truce". {{storylink|Hunter vs Hunted}} Now part of the Autobot team, they attempted to find more energon, only to be met by Megatron. Megatron chastised Grimlock for violating their truce by teaming up with his nemesis, as the mission module began - a race to the summit of a series of platforms. Grimlock was selected by Optimus Prime to play, alongside Elita-1. While she said to his face she didn't trust him, he still saved her from a boulder trap, with her in turn rescuing him from a magnet trap. Unfortunately, Megatron still knocked him right down to the ground, and the Autobots lost the challenge. With Megatron making threats, Grimlock advised they would have to fight Scorponok soon, before he returned. {{storylink|What Goes Up}}

{{ongoing}}

==Toys==
===''Cyberworld''===
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Grimlock''' (Chomp and Battle, [[2025]])}}</ul>
[[File:Cyberworld-Grimlock-ChompAndBattle.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|I am Heavy Weapons Guy...and this...is my weapon.]]
:*''Environment'': Jungle
:*''Accessories'': Upper jaw, cannon barrel

: Part of the larger assortment of ''[[Transformers: Cyberworld (toyline)#Larger toys|Cyberworld]]'' toys, Grimlock transforms from roughly 9-inch tall robot to a kinda goofy-looking robotic ''T. rex'' in four simple steps. Converting back to robot mode is mostly accomplished via spring-loaded [[autotransformation]] gimmicks; folding down the panel that hides his robot-mode head causes the head to pop up, and his torso to automatically rotate back into place.

:Both his arms have an action feature gimmick: his right arm, formed from his ''T. rex'' head, has a spring-loaded chomping jaw, and his left arm features a button-activated spinning gatling gun. Each of the gun's three barrels is [[Fire Blast effect]] compatible, and the whole barrel assembly is removable.

: As a larger toy, he has a several ways to interact with smaller ''Cyberworld'' figures. In ''T. rex'' mode, they can ride atop his back with the aid of a strut that slides out of the top of his right shoulder, featuring a [[5 mm post]] that any small figure can plug into. Additionally, his robot mode can be reconfigured into a mech suit for small figures to pilot. Finally, his arms can be disconnected below the elbow and combined into a turret for smaller figures to sit on, which is presented in the ''Cyberworld'' cartoon as a hoverbike.

: His arms feature the same connection ports as [[Scorponok (Cyberworld)#StrikeBattle|Scorponok]], allowing you to swap his limbs with the Decepticon if you want.

==Notes==
[[File:Grimlock face Cyberworld vs Rage of the Dinobots comparison.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2]]
*Grimlock's unmasked face features two cut-out trapezoidal sections, one on either cheek, that expose several darker-colored panels. This appears to be a reference to how the [[Grimlock (WFC)|Grimlock]] of the [[Aligned continuity family]] was depicted without his mask in [[Rage of the Dinobots issue 4|issue 4]] of the ''[[Transformers Prime: Rage of the Dinobots]]'' comic, where they were scars leftover from [[Shockwave (WFC)|Shockwave]]'s experiments. Though in that comic, the exposed parts were wires, not panels.

===Foreign names===
====Grimlock====
*''Cantonese:'' '''Zin3 Dau3 Gong3 So2''' (戰鬥鋼鎖, Traditional; "Battling Steel Lock")
*''Mandarin:'' '''Zhàndòu Gāngsuǒ''' (战斗钢锁, Simplified)

==External links==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCcXE1fsHoY Character reveal]

[[Category:Cyberworld Autobots]]
[[Category:Dinobots]]
[[Category:Hall of Fame characters]]

Galvatron (Cyberworld)

2025-12-14T06:31:42Z

Lonegamer78: /* Notes */

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{{Disambigm|Galvatron (disambiguation)|Ron (disambiguation)}}
:''Galvatron is a [[Decepticon]] from [[Transformers: Cyberworld (franchise)|Cyberworld]].''
[[File:Cyberworld Galvatron character reveal.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|Probably running CheatEngine in the background.]]

Ol' '''Ron''' has been living on [[Cyberworld (location)|Cyberworld]] for so long that he don't really remember his old life. Heck, he don't even remember his ''name''. He has no interest in the conflicts and challenges raging over his world; he's content to live the simple life of a run-down scrap collector.

...Or at least, that's what he tells those who run into him. Truth is, this old bot knows ''exactly'' who he is; he's just been biding his time, waiting until he can lure in a victim with enough [[Energon]] for him to restore his full glory as '''Galvatron'''. And once he gets it, nothing's going to stop him from conquering this digital realm...

==Fiction==
===''Cyberworld'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[James Alexander]] (English)|[[Sebastian Llapur]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}

[[File:CyberworldEp11-Junkyard Ron.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1|Junkyard Ron: A Mad Max Story]]
Hiding out in the desert had forced Galvatron into the role of a scatterbrained, rusted old scrap collector, hiding out under the name of Ron. Galvatron found [[Optimus Prime (Cyberworld)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (Cyberworld)|Bumblebee]] and [[Elita-1 (Cyberworld)|Elita-1]] as they tried to scope out [[Scorponok (Cyberworld)|Scorponok]], and held them at blaster-point. {{storylink|Game-a-Tron}} He questioned them about their goals, before a dust storm swept in, and he took them to the safety of his hut. He told them he remembered little of the past or of Cyberworld itself, but was impressed as Bumblebee bragged about how much energon the group had collected. As the storm cleared, he went outside to find his collection had been blown to the four corners, which Optimus Prime offered to gather back up as gratitude.

While the three were separated, he attacked Bumblebee and Elita-1, draining them of their energon. Running into Optimus Prime, who had seen blaster shots in the distance, he feigned injury, and Optimus carried him back, only to find an injured Bee lying on the floor. Elita-1 burst in to try to warn him, but it was too late - Ron jumped him and drained all his energon. This boosted him back to full health, fixing up his rust and corrosion, and he declared to all that Galvatron was back, and ready to wreak havoc on Cyberworld. Optimus tried to attack him with his power-up, but it proved useless, with Galvatron draining and breaking the item. He transformed to dragon mode, torched his former shack, and took off. {{storylink|Oh Scrap!}}

{{ongoing}}

{{--}}

==Toys==
===''Cyberworld''===
[[File:TF-Cyberworld-Galvatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|This is Texas! And my opinion is the only one that counts.]]
{{anchor|armoredcyberchangers}}
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Galvatron''' (Armored Cyber Changer, [[2025]])}}</ul>
:*''Environment'': Desert
:*''Accessories'': Flame blaster cannon, 2 [[Fire Blast effect|blast effects]], tail-blade

: Released in the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Cyberworld (toyline)|Cyberworld]]'' Armored Cyber Changers, Galvatron converts to a 'Junkion dragon' in four steps. He comes with a large gear-activated flame blaster that spreads the blaster points apart. The flame effects are attached via [[5 mm post]]s and can be removed from the cannon. The tip of the smaller gun barrel, revealed when the flames are retracted, is compatible with [[Fire Blast effect]]s. Additionally, his tail comes off for use as a handheld weapon. The instructions highlight the 5 mm post on the tail being plugged into the port on the back of his waist, however, this is not the intended design and the tail cannot be fully secured this way. Instead, there is a square tab on the rear of the tail that fits into an appropriate slot just above the 5 mm port. Unfortunately, this tab is slightly too wide to be used as a handle, preventing him from holding the tail vertically like a sword.

: Like other Cyber Changers, he stands around four inches tall and has limited articulation, with ball joints at the shoulders and hips, plus hinged knees. His dragon mode features a movable lower jaw.

: He shares his basic conversion scheme with [[Megatron (Cyberworld)#Cyberworld|Megatron]] and [[Snarl (Cyberworld)#Cyberworld|Snarl]].

==Notes==
*To preserve the twist of his identity, Galvatron's name is given in the credits of ''Cyberworld'' episodes 11 and 12 as '''Junkyard Ron'''.
*Galvatron is an amalgam of various [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] traits, starting with the [[facial hair]] and including [[Scrapheap (G1)|Scrapheap's]] smokestacked shoulders, [[Junkyard (G1)|Junkyard]]'s rib-piping, and spiked kneepads that belong to several Junkion designs. All this, the dragon mode, and the gray/blue coloring give the mistaken impression that he's a chimera of various takes on [[Scourge (disambiguation)|Scourge]].

===Foreign names===
====Galvatron====
*''Cantonese:'' '''Gaak3 Wai1 Lung4''' (格威龍, Traditional; "Obstructive Dominating Dragon")
*''Mandarin:'' '''Géwēilóng''' (格威龙, Simplified)

==External links==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kymP9_vG3AE Character reveal]

[[Category:Cyberworld Decepticons]]
[[Category:Hall of Fame characters]]

Bumblebee (Cyberworld)

2025-12-14T06:28:03Z

Lonegamer78: /* Notes */

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{{Disambig3|Bumblebee}}
:''Bumblebee is an [[Autobot]] from [[Transformers: Cyberworld (franchise)|Cyberworld]].''
[[File:Cyberworld bumblebee character reveal.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|His alternate costumes include [[Cliffjumper (disambiguation)|red]], [[Bug Bite (disambiguation)|white]], [[Goldbug (IDW)|gold]], and [[Glyph (Universe)|dark blue]]]]

'''Bumblebee''' is [[Optimus Prime (Cyberworld)|Optimus Prime]]'s closest ally and Player Two in the challenging landscape of [[Cyberworld (location)|Cyberworld]]. A little cocky and prone to pratfalls and bad luck, he is still not one to underestimate.

==Fiction==
===''Cyberworld'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Kyle Kaczmarczyk]] (English)|[[Idzi Dutkiewicz Sánchez]] (Latin-American Spanish), [[Gary Renna]] (French), [[Daniel Figueira]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}

[[File:Cyberworld bumblebee crashlanding.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67|MEDIC! I NEED A HEAL!]]

Crash-landing on Cyberworld in an escape pod, Bumblebee was greeted by [[Megatron (Cyberworld)|Megatron]] {{storylink|Commence Program}}, who filled him in on the basics of survival on Cyberworld. The two of them took part in a "Target Blaster" challenge, and while Megatron seemed to be winning by smashing all but one target by himself, Bumblebee was awarded the win (and the all-important energon) because he followed the rules and shot the target with the blaster provided. This earned him a blast from Megatron's [[Fusion cannon]], but in his prone state, he was found by Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Prime Target (Cyberworld)|Prime Target}} He joined Optimus in scouting out the Autobot Shuttle guarded by [[Scorponok (Cyberworld)|Scorponok]], before competing with [[Grimlock (Cyberworld)|Grimlock]] and [[Snarl (Cyberworld)|Snarl]] for a crate drop. After a scuffle in a mud pit, they were able to scale a mountain and claim the crate, with Bumbleee getting a blaster of his own. This gave them enough strength and firepower to drive off the [[Dinobot (Cyberworld)|Dinobot]]s. {{storylink|Crate Point, Well Fought}} While walking in the jungle, Bumblebee failed to do a cool jump, and was then brained by an energy tunnel hosting a competition between [[Elita-1 (Cyberworld)|Elita-1]] and [[Sky-Byte (Cyberworld)|Sky-Byte]]. He and Optimus intervened in the challenge by shattering open the tunnel, which punished Elita-1 for their meddling by awarding the win to Sky-Byte, who then tried to take out Elita-1. They helped her drive him off, and Elita-1 offered to assist them in getting a weapon strong enough to surpass Scorponok, if they would help her get revenge on Sky-Byte. {{storylink|River Race Ruckus}}

Elita-1 helped them sneak into [[Cyber City (Cyberworld)|Cyber City]], where he found a new jetpack (hooray!)only to be accosted by Sky-Byte and [[Mirage (Cyberworld)|Mirage]] (booooo), who revealed they had been hired by Megatron to stop them, and also that his new jet pack was a phoney illusion (double boooo). He fought off the Mirage holograms, giving chase to the bot himself when tried to flee, even as further holograms taunted him about how he was weak and needed Optimus to protect him. When he caught up with Mirage, he let slip that they had a plan to escape Cyberworld with an Autobot shuttle, and didn't seem to notice when that completely changed Mirage's demeanour, instead knocking him off a building. He met back up with Optimus and Elita, and while chasing a fleeing Sky-Byte, then ran into an injured Mirage. {{storylink|Smoke & Mirrors}} The group snuck through the city and fought their way into a computer terminal, only to be cut off by the city's ruler, [[Starscream (Cyberworld)|Starscream]]. They tried to flee, but he cornered them in an alleyway, which spawned a mission. The goal was to be the last bot standing on a large levitating platform. Bumblebee helped Elita-1 gain an upgrade, but she and Mirage were still eliminated. Unable to catch Starscream in the air, he and Prime pretended to fight to lure Starscream in close, only for Optimus to grab him and throw them both off the edge. As the winner, Bee was rewarded with energon and an upgrade to his blaster. {{storylink|Screamer City Arena}}

Tracking down Grimlock via following Snarl, the trio of Autobots were captured in a net. Bumblebee was especially disturbed to find out Snarl had been recording ''everything'' over the last few days. When Optimus freed them and challenged Grimlock to a 1-on-1 mission challenge, Bumblebee joined Elita-1 and Snarl in commenting on the pair's strategies until Optimus Prime won. {{storylink|Hunter vs Hunted}} With Grimlock recruited, they attempted to find more energon, only to be met by Megatron. Bumblebee sat out the mission module, watching with horror as Megatron knocked his comrades down and took the win alongside Mirage and [[Chop Shop (Cyberworld)|Chop Shop]], but this meant he was spared the resulting drain of energon for losing. Afterwards, Optimus told him that they would be relying on him for the upcoming fight with Scorponok, which didn't exactly enthuse him. {{storylink|What Goes Up}}Things went from bad to worse for Bumblebee as he, alongside Elita-1 was tasked with finding any potential weak spots Scorponok might have. Although he eventually found and exploited one, Scorponok transformed into his robot mode and knocked him off before long. With Bumblebee on the ground and vulnerable, Scorponok moved to finish him off, but Elita, Grimlock, and later on Optimus Prime managed to rescue and carry him to safety. He later watched as Grimlock left the group, disgruntled about Optimus' choice to flee. {{storylink|Storm the Desert}}

{{ongoing}}

{{--}}

==Toys==
===''Cyberworld''===
{{anchor|armoredcyberchangers}}
[[File:TF-Cyberworld-Armored-Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.33]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Bumblebee''' (Armored Cyber Changer, [[2025]])}}</ul>
:*''Environment'': City
:*''Accessories'': Blaster cannon, 2 blades

:Released in the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Cyberworld (toyline)|Cyberworld]]'' Armored Cyber Changers, Bumblebee stands about four inches tall and converts into a muscle car in two steps. Like the standard Cyber Changer figures, he has simple articulation, limited to the shoulders, hips, and knees. In addition to the [[5 mm post|5 mm]]-compatible hands, he has ports on the car doors, roof, and hood, but no port for a [[flight stand]] like some of the other figures.

: As an "Armored" figure he also comes with a rather impractical blaster weapon, which flips down two gear-driven side-blades when the gun barrel is pushed in. The blades are attached to 5 mm posts, and have their own posts to allow them to be detached and wielded individually.

:Bumblebee [[Retool#Shared engineering|shares his transformation scheme]] with his below Cyber Changer toy, Cyber Changer [[Wheeljack (Cyberworld)#Toys|Wheeljack]], and Armored Cyber Changer [[Optimus Prime (Cyberworld)#armoredcyberchangers|Optimus Prime]]. It's not precisely clear what part you're supposed to move to get the torso [[autotransformation]] started; you might find it easier getting to robot mode if you untab the legs from the roof first, before pushing down on the hood.

:His two smaller side windows are left unpainted, but he has painted tail-lights!

{{-}}{{anchor|cyberchanger}}
[[File:Transformers-Cyberworld-Cyber-Changers-Bumblebee-1.jpg|thumb|upright=1.33|Well, the ''[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Reactivate|Reactivate]]'' design elements have to go ''somewhere...'']]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Bumblebee''' (Cyber Changer, 2025)}}</ul>
:*''Environment'': Desert

:Released in the second wave of standard ''Cyberworld'' Cyber Changers, this Bumblebee is also a four-inch figure, representing his second form and converting into an offroad car in two steps using the same transformation scheme.
{{--}}

==Notes==
*Bumblebee's offroad design appears to be an interesting mishmash of previous Bumblebee designs. The majority of his robot mode is inspired by the [[Transformers Universe (Jagex)|''Universe'']] design of [[Bumblebee (WFC)#Transformers Universe|''Prime'' Bumblebee]], his forearms are shaped like [[Bumblebee (One)|''One'' Bumblebee]], and he shares a vehicle mode with [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Reactivate|''Reactivate'' Bumblebee]]. Very interesting.

===Foreign names===
====Bumblebee====
*''Cantonese:'' '''Daai6 Wong4 Fung1''' (大黃蜂, "Hornet")
*''Mandarin:'' '''Dàhuángfēng''' (大黃蜂, "Hornet")

==External links==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a_iYnkj5jg Character reveal]

[[Category:Cyberworld Autobots]]
[[Category:Hall of Fame characters]]

User talk:CCKIUJ

2025-12-06T10:27:00Z

Lonegamer78: /* Galvatron II? */ Moving discussion back here to keep continuity

{{welcome}}

{{preview}}
Please don't forget to also use the "Show preview" button before you click "Save page." --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 17:30, 1 April 2023 (EDT)

==Galvatron II?==
The Auldey figure has so far only been listed as "Toy Version," are you certain the name is Galvatron II? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:37, 27 November 2025 (EST)
: I’m certain that it’s Galvatron II. The designer, Lam Ahtek, is a friend of mine, and I’ve confirmed these details with him. I’ve also checked the existing packaging, which uses the Chinese name “惊破天二世,” i.e., Galvatron II. --[[User:CCKIUJ|CCKIUJ]] ([[User talk:CCKIUJ |talk]]) 21:46, 27 November 2025 (EST)
::It would better help the wiki if Lam Ahtek can post publicly for better citation and clarification on the name. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 05:27, 6 December 2025 (EST)

User talk:Thylacine 2000

2025-12-06T10:25:17Z

Lonegamer78: Moving back to CCKIUJ's Talk Page to maintain continuity

Hey, you actually paid attention to RiD... can you fill in some of the character pages with episode info? Most of these guys are lacking show-info, even guys with really long profiles, like [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]]. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
:I'll do what I can going off memory... I can't sit down with the series and a notepad now. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:03, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

== Buzzsaw in sound and fury? ==

You're right, I was only noticing the goldy-tan-brown-yellow color. I completely ignored the buttons. <:] [[User:BUMBLEBEE|The 'Bee :)]] 16:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

== Multiple Edits ==

Dang, Thy, we gonna have to slap a <nowiki>{{previewbutton}}</nowiki> template on this page? :-) --[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:45, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:Sorry; I thought selecting "Minor Edit" would condense sequential edits from the same person into one. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 01:11, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
::Sadly, no. It just marks those edits in such a way that one can omit them from one's view of the "Recent Changes" list if one wants.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 03:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

==Screencaps==
Hey Thy, copyrights to those belong to Hasbro, so you should credit them in uploads of screencaps (or of any official Transformers image). You can also credit the site originating the screen captures if you want, of course. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:16, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

==Talk pages and edit conflicts==
You might want to keep an eye on your browser... you've managed to accidentally "eat" one of my comments on two separate occasions now. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:08, 29 January 2010 (EST)

== Sideways (ROTF) ==

The pre-merge article can be found [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Sideways_%28ROTF%29&oldid=473798 here]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:48, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
: Also, the old opening paragraph is still in the new merged article, under "toy bios." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:40, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

== "had a hand in designing" ==

I used that phrase specifically because of a kerfuffle that Eric was unfortunately dragged into because of this wiki. Soon he met some local fans down here in Australia, somebody contacted him for an updated list which we now use on the wiki. Local anti-Hasbro douches started up a fuss about Eric claiming credit on toys or something, which he read and responded to via the site owner, and from that I decided to give this admittedly awkward phrasing to make it clear that many hands are involved in toys, and we give credit based upon what limited information we have at the time. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:13, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
:It's a shame if people bugged him from a position of such ignorance, and moreso if they used our material for their crusade. But... I honestly don't see how "portfolio" doesn't convey the exact same information. These are the toys Eric (or whoever) worked on. Could anyone seriously conclude from that word that Eric was the ONLY person who worked on them--the only designer, colorist, copywriter, guy who threw the switch on the plastic-mixers in the factory? They're obviously team enterprises and in those cases he was on the team. A dishonest person tending a grudge will be able to spin any phrase we use into attacking the designers (or whoever), so I don't think there's anything to be gained from attempting to engage with their mentality. But if the general standpoint is that my revisions left out important context, I would understand switching back. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:50, 12 September 2010 (EDT)

== irrelevant thoughts about Laserbeak's name ==

In response to [[Talk:Sinnertwin_(G1)]], it took me a while, too, but i thought Laserbeak = laser beam + razor beak. --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 00:29, 23 January 2014 (EST)

== Legends Black Convoy ==

You have a 2017 ''Legends'' Black Convoy, yes? Would you be able to supply [[User:Apoc|Apoc]] with a good scan of [[Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Black Convoy 2)|the story]] for translation? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:26, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
: I don't have a scanner, but will try to send pics. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 23:14, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
::Never mind, Creedence has supplied scans. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:15, 27 July 2017 (EDT)

== And there... on the shoulder... was a HOOK! ==

Regarding [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Galvatron_(G1)/toys&diff=next&oldid=1119136 this edit] ...i'll admit, i don't really get the joke, but if it's somehow funny relating Galvatron to [[wikipedia:The Hook|the urban legend]], isn't it even better making the Hook on his shoulder [[Hook, Line, and Sinker|the guy ''named'' Hook who helped abduct Galvatron]]?
--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 01:09, 10 November 2017 (EST)

== Tankor released in late 99? ==

Are you sure Tankor was released in late 1999? If so, I'm sure some of the other products on the [[2000]] page was as well. Can you please scan the page and let me know what needs to be moved and I will move them? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 21:49, 9 April 2021 (EDT)
:The only ones I could speak to would be Mega Tankor and Cheetor. At [[BotCon 1999]], in summer, the Hasbro reps said they would be out by Christmas, and I remember getting them early in the following fall semester. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 22:31, 9 April 2021 (EDT)
::Unfortunately the earlier year pages don't list the waves of toys, since I'm sure all the toys in the waves that you mentioned were released at once. It's really a guess at this point unless someone has a memory of them such as yourself. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 11:24, 11 April 2021 (EDT)

== Unsurprisingly ==

I think I have found and eliminated all the uses of "unsurprisingly reached" (and its synonym "unsurprisingly arrived"). There may be other variants that I haven't caught. I may go back later and remove other uses of "unsurprisingly". We seem to use that word a lot. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:22, 17 January 2022 (EST)

Transformers Go! Go!

2025-12-06T10:15:21Z

Lonegamer78: /* Overview */

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'''''Transformers Go! Go!''''' (トランスフォーマーごー!ごー!) is a [[2020]] [[manga]] for young readers written and drawn by [[Haruka Oda]] published in ''[[TV Magazine]]'', on the TV Magazine website, and on publisher [[Kodansha]]'s comics reader Comic-Days.

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==Overview==
{{chapters
|title=''Transformers Go! Go!''
|content=
<div class="list-header">Print issues:</div>
*[[Where Is the Energon?|#1]]
*[[How to Use a Big Body|#2]]
*[[Big Invention, Big Trouble?|#3]]
*[[Justice, Peace, and Rock 'n' Roll|#4]]
*[[Mission: Snacks, All to Myself!|#5]]
*[[The Evil Leader's Big Miscalculation|#6]]
*[[Great Adventure on the Planet of Games!|Fan Book 2021]]
*[[Careless Scream|#7]]
*[[Warriors' Day Off|#8]]
*[[The Iron Man of Repair|#9]]
*[[The Commander's Birthday|#10]]
*[[Unpredictable|#11]]
*[[I Want to Protect This Place|#12]]
*[[Muscle Revolution! Ya!|#13]]
*[[The Villains' Strategy Conference, Indeed!|#14]]
*[[The Big Operation to Help Santa!|#15]]
*[[The Transformers' Explosive New Years' Battle!|#16]]
*[[Autobot Police Dispatched!|#17]]
*[[The Trick to a Healthy Autobot Warrior|#18]]
*[[Go! Go! Fan Book 2023 special|Fan Book 2023]]
*[[Protect Freedom! Optimus!|#19]]
*[[Running Wild with Hologram Ninjutsu!|#20]]
*[[The Big Micro-Adventure|#21]]
*[[Transformers Go! Go! Extra Volume|Transformers Archive]]
*[[The Transformers Go! Go! Search Quiz is Here!|Search Quiz Summer 2024]]
*[[Go! Go! Fan Book 2024 special|Fan Book 2024]]
*[[A Tasty Trap!!|#22]]
*[[The Transformers Gather on the Snowy Mountain!|Search Quiz Winter 2024]]
*[[I Love Surprises!|#23]]
*[[Watch Out for Giraffes at the Beach!|#24]]

<br/><div class="list-header">Web issues:</div>
*[[We Are Transformers!|#1]]
*[[Big Invention, Big Trouble?|#2]]
*[[Justice, Peace, and Rock 'n' Roll|#3]]
*[[Mission: Snacks, All to Myself!|#4]]
*[[The Evil Leader's Big Miscalculation|#5]]
*[[Careless Scream|#6]]
*[[Warriors' Day Off|#7]]
*[[The Iron Man of Repair|#8]]
*[[The Commander's Birthday|#9]]
*[[Unpredictable|#10]]
*[[Marvelous! Fire Shark Fishing!!|#11]]
*[[Don't Oversleep and Forget Things!!|#12]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 13|#13]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 14|#14]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 15|#15]]
*[[I Want to Protect This Place|#16]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 17|#17]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 18|#18]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 19|#19]]
*[[Believe in the Bananas!!|#20]]
*[[Flowers, Delivery, and Inattention|#21]]
*[[A Hunch of a Good Duo!|#22]]
*[[A Natural Couple|#23]]
*[[Muscle Revolution! Ya!|#24]]
*[[The Villains' Strategy Conference, Indeed!|#25]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 26|#26]]
*[[Autobot Police Dispatched!|#27]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 28|#28]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 29|#29]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 30|#30]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 31|#31]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 32|#32]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 33|#33]]
*[[The Trick to a Healthy Autobot Warrior|#34]]
*[[Protect Freedom! Optimus!|#35]]
*[[Transformers Go! Go! Shushupopo!! (part 1)|#36]]
*[[Transformers Go! Go! Shushupopo!! (part 2)|#37]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 38|#38]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 39|#39]]
*[[Transformers Go! Go! Mini Encyclopedia|Mini Encyclopedia Summer 2024]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 40|#40]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 41|#41]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 42|#42]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 43|#43]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 44|#44]]
*[[Transformers Go! Go! Mini Encyclopedia|Mini Encyclopedia Winter 2024]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 45|#45]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 46|#46]]
*[[The Big Micro-Adventure|#47]]
*''Wild King'' Special: [[Go! Go! Limited Time Special Chapter|1]] [[Go! Go! Limited Time Special Chapter issue 2 (part 1)|2]] [[Go! Go! Limited Time Special Chapter issue 2 (part 2)|3]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 48|#48]]
*[[I Love Surprises!|#49]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 50|#50]]
*[[Go! Go! issue 51|#51]]

*'''Collected editions:'''
<div class="list-header">Vol. 1:</div>
*[[We Are Transformers!|#1]]
*[[Where Is the Energon?|#2]]
*[[How to Use a Big Body|#3]]
*[[Big Invention, Big Trouble?|#4]]
*[[Justice, Peace, and Rock 'n' Roll|#5]]
*[[Mission: Snacks, All to Myself!|#6]]
*[[The Evil Leader's Big Miscalculation|#7]]
*[[Careless Scream|#8]]
*[[Warriors' Day Off|#9]]
*[[The Iron Man of Repair|#10]]
*[[Unpredictable|#11]]
*[[Marvelous! Fire Shark Fishing!!|#12]]
*[[Don't Oversleep and Forget Things!!|#13]]
*[[The Villains' Strategy Conference, Indeed!|#14]]
*[[The Commander's Birthday|#15]]
*[[Believe in the Bananas!!|#16]]
*[[Flowers, Delivery, and Inattention|#17]]
*[[A Hunch of a Good Duo!|#18]]
*[[A Natural Couple|#19]]
*Backup strips: [[Zzzzzz|1]] [[Chonky|2]] [[Gleaming|3]] [[Sprout Up|4]]
}}

''Transformers Go! Go!'' chronicles the light-hearted misadventures of the Autobots and Decepticons in a setting strongly resembling the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original Generation 1 cartoon]] for a young audience while somewhat bafflingly promoting various collector-aimed exclusives.

The comic started out in print form in the pages of ''TV Magazine'', typically published on the last Saturday of the month. Beginning with [[Careless Scream|the August/September 2021 issue]], the periodical went bi-monthly, before going tri-monthly with [[Autobot Police Dispatched!|the April/May/June 2023]] issue, with the exact publication date increasingly varying (confusingly, but typical of this kind of publication, the issue is actually released a month or two ''before'' the cover date). Separately from the magazine, exclusive stories have also been published in the ''"[[Transformers Fan Book (series)|Transformers Fan Book]]"'' activity books (kind of like [[Transformers Annual|annuals]] published in the [[United Kingdom]]).

A year into its run, the ''TV Magazine'' website began serialising the manga digitally, with a webcomic usually being released on the 15th of each month. As the first two issues of the comic in the magazine had been published in black-and-white, they were replaced with a single new full-color volume to match the rest of the run. This put the numbering between the print and web editions out of sync: print issue #3 was republished as web issue #2, print issue #4 as web issue #3, and so forth. The webcomic additionally inserts character profiles calling out the specific toy being advertised in each story.

After ten installments, the webcomic switched to publishing exclusive new strips separately from the magazine, with [[Marvelous! Fire Shark Fishing!!|issue #11]] being the first non-rerelease. For whatever reason—perhaps just to give Oda some time off—it would still occasionally dip back into the magazine's material for reruns. Unfortunately, coinciding with the release of [[Go! Go! issue 26|web issue #26]] to promote the collected edition of ''Transformers Go! Go!'', the preceding twenty-five webcomics were all taken down, simply redirecting to this advertisement—nevermind that many of these strips weren't actually included in the volume!

At the start of [[2023]], beginning with [[Go! Go! issue 19|web issue #19]], the comic entered an arc Oda termed "Beast Promo Season"- wherein it switched gears to integrate an iteration of [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|''Beast Wars'' cartoon]] cast (now contemporaneous with their G1 counterparts a la ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|Kingdom]]'') in the interests of prepping kids for the then-upcoming feature film ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Transformers: Rise of the Beasts]]'', climaxing that fall with a giant-sized special in [[Go! Go! issue 28|web issues #28]] and [[Go! Go! issue 29|#29]] featuring many of the film's cast members (though still drawn with more influence from their original G1 or ''Beast Wars'' designs, in a fun bit of dissonance with the actual products being advertised!).<ref>{{citesocial|quote=「ビースト覚醒」への便乗はまだまだ続きます。ということでビースト強化シーズンです🦍🦖　個人的には映画公開当たりまでみっちりやりたいなあと思っています。|link=https://twitter.com/aries_bug/status/1614460747500916736|site=Twitter|name=Haruka Oda|year=2023|month=1|day=14}}</ref>

With the magazine and website now publishing in tandem, under two separate numbering schemes, with the collected edition picking and choosing from both, and not to mention the Fan Book stories, the whole thing generally becomes a bit of a headache to document—but we can't stay mad at a comic this cute. Oh ''Go! Go!'', you scamp.

==Toys==
In a surprising display of attention to detail for a title skewing so young, ''Go! Go!'' carries on the grand TakaraTomy comic tradition of aggressive [[Show-accuracy|toy accuracy]], with each character matching one of their real toys all the way down to their [[kibble]] and transformation schemes. As the comic isn't bound to any particular toyline, the combination of advertised toy-of-the-week plus the occasional dip into older toys to paper over the gaps produces a cast cobbled together from disparate ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' toylines resembling a modern Generation 1 (and ''Beast Wars'') fan's real life collection!

[[Warriors' Day Off#Notes|...and Long Haul.]]

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|<u>'''''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)#Japan|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'''''</u>
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1| [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Wheeljack]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Soundwave (G1)/toys#2020Netflix|Soundwave]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Laserbeak]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Ravage (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Ravage]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Elita One (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Elita One]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|<u>'''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)#86TakTom|''Studio Series'' <nowiki>'</nowiki>86]]'''</u>
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Jazz (G1)/toys#Studio Series|Jazz]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Studio Series|Grimlock]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Studio Series|Hot Rod]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Perceptor (G1)/toys#Studio Series|Perceptor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Steeljaw (G1)#Studio Series|Steeljaw]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Springer (G1)/toys#Studio Series|Springer]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Rumble (G1)/toys#Studio Series|Rumble (Blue)]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|<u>'''''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise#Earthrise (TakaraTomy)|War for Cybertron: Earthrise]]'''</u>
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Starscream]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ratchet (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Ratchet]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ironhide (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Ironhide]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Prowl (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Prowl]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Sunstreaker]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Bluestreak]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Cliffjumper]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Grapple (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Grapple]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|<u>'''[[TV Magazine#TV Magazine exclusive toys|''TV Magazine'' exclusive]]'''</u>
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Long Haul (G1)/toys#TV Magazine|Powerful Long Haul]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#TFFanbook2023CoreClass|Optimus Prime (Red Clear Ver.)]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Transformers Fan Book|Bumblebee Shining Thunder Ver.]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=3|[[File:TF-Generations-WFC-Trilogy-Deluxe-Bumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|250px|''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Bumblebee]][[File:Powerful Long Haul.jpg|thumb|right|250px|''TV Magazine'' Powerful Long Haul]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|<u>'''''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom#Kingdom (TakaraTomy)|War for Cybertron: Kingdom]]'''</u>
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Ultra Magnus]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Blaster (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Blaster]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Eject (G1)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Eject]]}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Optimus Primal]]}}
{{Bp-p1|[[Megatron (BW)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Beast Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Rattrap (BW)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Rattrap]]}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Cheetor (BW)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Cheetor]]}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Rhinox (BW)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Rhinox]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|<br>
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-p1|[[Dinobot (BW)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Dinobot]]}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Tigatron#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Tigatron]]}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Airazor (BW)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Airazor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Inferno (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Inferno]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ark (G1)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Autobot Ark]]}}
{{Bp-p1|[[Scorponok (BW)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Predacon Scorponok]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Sideswipe]]}}
{{Bp-p1|[[Waspinator (BW)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Waspinator]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|<u>'''''[[War for Cybertron: Siege#Siege (TakaraTomy)|War for Cybertron: Siege]]'''''</u>
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Shockwave (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Shockwave]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Mirage (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Mirage]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ironhide (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ironhide]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|<u>'''''[[The Transformers: MPG|MPG]]'''''</u>
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Shouki#MPG|Trainbot Shouki]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Getsuei#MPG|Trainbot Getsuei]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Yukikaze (G1)#MPG|Trainbot Yukikaze]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Suiken#MPG|Trainbot Suiken]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Seizan#MPG|Trainbot Seizan]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Kaen#MPG|Trainbot Kaen]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Raiden#MPG|Trainbot Raiden]]}}
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|<u>'''''[[Transformers: Legacy#Legacy#TakaraTomy|Legacy]]'''''</u>
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|[[Lio Convoy#Legacy|Maximal Leo Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Windblade (Cyberverse)#Legacy|Cyberverse Universe Windblade]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Cosmos (G1)#Legacy|Autobot Cosmos]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Beachcomber (G1)#Legacy|Beachcomber]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Chromia (Cyberverse)#Legacy|Cyberverse Universe Chromia]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Blitzwing (G1)/toys#Legacy|Blitzwing]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|<u>'''''[[Missing Link]]'''''</u>
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Missing Link|C-01 Convoy]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|<u>'''''[[Generations Selects (toyline)|Generations Selects]]'''''</u>
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Hound (G1)/toys#Generations Selects|Autobot Hound]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|<u>'''''[[The Transformers (toyline)|The Transformers]]'''''</u>
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Seaspray (G1)#The Transformers|Seaspray]]}}
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|<u>'''''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'''''</u>
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Skyfire]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|<u>'''''[[Transformers: Wild King (toyline)|Wild King]]'''''</u>
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-multi|[[Lightlong#Toys|Lightlong]]}}
{{Bp-multi|[[Captain Volca#Toys|Captain Volca]]}}
{{Bp-multi|[[Hydrophant#Toys|Hydrophant]]}}
|}
{{--}}

==Collections==
In light of its overwhelming positive reception, ''Transformers Go! Go!'' became the first ''TV Magazine'' manga since [[Masumi Kaneda]] and [[Ban Magami]]'s [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Comics|original 1985 run]] to receive a collected release!<ref>{{citesocial|quote=【お知らせ】テレビマガジンとテレマガネットで好評連載中のまんが「#トランスフォーマーごーごー」の単行本化が決定しました皆様のTF愛がこの度、単行本化へとつながりました！発売は7月26日（水）笑って癒されるトランスフォーマーまんがをお楽しみに ⒸTOMY #トランスフォーマー|link=https://twitter.com/tele_maga/status/1656894041601228802|site=Twitter|name=TV Magazine|year=2023|month=5|day=18}}</ref>
* '''''Transformers Go! Go!''''' <small>([[July 26]], [[2023]]) ISBN 4065320852 / ISBN 978-4065320853</small>
**Collects 19 select issues of ''Transformers Go! Go!''
**Bonus material includes character profiles and new {{w|4-koma}} backup strips.
**{{w|Tankōbon}} format.
<gallery>
File:Go!Go! tankobon.jpg|'''''Transformers Go! Go!''''' - cover art by [[Haruka Oda]]
</gallery>

==Notes==
*The comic's soft, friendly aesthetic creates one prominent exception to the aforementioned toy accuracy: the aspiring ''Go! Go!'' superfan is free to swap out the advertised exclusives bearing gritty [[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' cartoon]] inspired battle damage for their barer standard retail versions with arguably ''increased'' resemblance to Oda's art.
*A bit less cute is Kodansha's... shall we say "enthusiastic" approach to litigating assets from the comic appearing anywhere outside their own servers, free webcomic notwithstanding. Beginning in early 2024, Kodansha embarked on a months long crusade of takedown notices against English fan translations, presumably as another component of their aforementioned efforts to "un-publish" the web issues now sold in the comic's collected editions. This climaxed with a formal press statement issued that December wherein Kodansha voiced an intention to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law any "illegal uploads" both in and out of Japan, up to and including translations "without permission."<ref>{{citesocial|quote=It has come to our attention that there are many illegal uploads of TRANSFORMERS Go! Go! on the Internet. Uploading and distributing manga without permission of the copyright holder is a violation of copyright, and may result in both criminal and civil liability, in and outside of Japan. The same applies to the act of uploading a foreign language version of a manga that has been translated without permission.|link=https://twitter.com/tele_maga/status/1871027962604097970|site=Twitter|name=TV Magazine|year=2024|month=12|day=22}}</ref> Conduct yourselves accordingly, ''Go! Go!'' fans.
==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[https://cocreco.kodansha.co.jp/telemaga/news/feature/tfgogo/ ''Transformers Go! Go!''] at the ''TV Magazine'' website
*[https://comic-days.com/episode/4855956445034349599 ''Transformers Go! Go!''] on Comic-Days


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The Big Micro-Adventure

2025-12-06T10:11:32Z

Lonegamer78:

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|image=Go!Go! ep47.jpg
|title="The Big Micro-Adventure"
|japanese=ミクロの大冒険
|romaji=Mikuro no Daibōken
|publisher=[[Kodansha]]
|published in=''[[TV Magazine]]''
|date=[[February 29]], [[2024]]
|coverdate=April/May/June 2024
|manga=[[Haruka Oda]]
|editor=[[Minoko]]
}}

==Synopsis==
[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] is out enjoying a lovely spring day when the scientists [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] and [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] reveal their new invention: a micro beam that will allow Bumblebee to shrink down to insect size and explore the world of insects himself! Bumblebee has a jolly good time helping some ants on their work, having a "tea party" with a butterfly, and climbing flower stems with a ladybug.

That's when he spots [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] enjoying his own walk through the meadow and attempts to greet the [[Autobot]] [[Prime (rank)|leader]], but he's so small Optimus can't hear his voice, let alone see him. However, he receives help from a pair of <strike>bumblebees</strike> honey bees who grab him by the shoulders and fly him up to Optimus' eye level. Unfortunately for him, that's when the micro beam's effects start wearing off – rapidly growing too heavy for his insect friends to lift, Bumblebee ends up falling to the ground. Still, he's excited about the fun adventure he had and looks for Optimus to tell him all about it... unaware that he's fallen right on top of Optimus, who is knocked out under Bumblebee's butt.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (1)
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (2)
*[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (3)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (7)

|c4=
*Ants (3)
*Ladybug (4)
*Butterfly (5)
*Bees (6)

}}

==Notes==
* This comic was published in the April/May/June 2024 issue of ''TV Magazine'' and advertised the [[Transformers: EarthSpark (toyline)#TakaraTomy EarthSpark toyline|''EarthSpark'']] [[Wheeljack (ES)#EarthSpark|1-Step Flip Changer Wheeljack]] and [[Skullcruncher (ES)#Earthspark|Skullcruncher]].
* It was rerun as the February 2025 issue of the webcomic where it advertised [[Studio Series#Studio Series (TakaraTomy)|''Studio Series'']] [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#SS100|''Rise of the Beasts'' Bumblebee]], the ''[[Transformers Fan Book 2024]]'', and the [[Transformers Go! Go!#Collections|first collected edition of ''Go! Go!'']].

===Transformers references===
*As per Oda herself,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=テレマガ春号TFごー！ごー！裏話🌸 命の芽吹く季節ということで！初代TF「ミクロの決死隊」のオマージュも取り入れながら、花々や虫たちの息遣いをバンブルビーに全身で感じてもらうお話になりました。他にもコタツの存続をめぐる話の案もありましたが、またの機会に描けたら良いですね🍃|link=https://twitter.com/aries_bug/status/1784056122074177794|name=Haruka Oda|site=Twitter|year=2024|month=04|day=26}}</ref> this issue is a (significantly lower stakes) riff on the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]] episode "[[Microbots]]," wherein the Autobots use a [[Transmat reduction beam|similar shrinking device]] also developed by [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] to infiltrate [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s body and surgically remove a [[Heart of Cybertron|spaceship engine]]. Long story.

==Footnotes==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[https://cocreco.kodansha.co.jp/telemaga/news/feature/tfgogo/HcrHE "The Big Micro-Adventure"] at ''TV Magazine''

[[Category:Go! Go! issues]]

Protect Freedom! Optimus!

2025-12-06T10:00:52Z

Lonegamer78:

{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=''[[Transformers Go! Go!]]''<br>print issue 19
|prev=Go! Go! Fan Book 2023 special
|next=Running Wild with Hologram Ninjutsu!
|seriesissue2=web issue 35
|prev2=The Trick to a Healthy Autobot Warrior
|next2= Transformers Go! Go! Shushupopo!! (part 1)
|caption=
|image=Go!Go! ep35.jpg
|title="Protect Freedom! Optimus!"
|japanese=自由をまもる！オプティマス！
|romaji=Jiyuu wo mamoru! Optimasu!
|publisher=[[Kodansha]]
|published in=''[[TV Magazine]]''
|date=[[August 31]], [[2023]]
|coverdate=October/November/December 2023
|manga=[[Haruka Oda]]
|editor=[[Minoko]]
}}

'''Optimus defends some rabbits... Or is it the inverse?'''

==Synopsis==
[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] land upon a planet, and meet a friendly race of [[Bunny rabbit|bunny]]-like aliens, who seem to worship the local energy pits. However, this peace is quickly ruined by [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], who decide to take over the planet and enslave the locals. Prime and Megatron start fighting using their respective [[Energon-axe|energon]] [[Energon mace|weapons]] [[Sherman Dam]]-style, until the aliens take matters into their own paws... By amassing into a giant rabbit, grabbing the [[Decepticon]]s and hurling them into deep space! While Prime congratulates the bunnies and their courage, Bee just cuddles them and sings peace's praises.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (1)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (2)

|c2=
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (4)
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (5)

|c4=
*[[Bunny alien]]s (3)
}}

==Notes==
[[File:Gogo print 19 aliens.jpg|thumb|upright=1]]
* This comic was published in the October/November/December 2023 issue of ''TV Magazine'' and advertised the [[Scourge (ROTB)#Studio Series|''Rise of the Beasts'' Scourge]] and [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#Studio Series|''War for Cybertron'' Gamer Edition Optimus Prime]] figures from the ''[[Studio Series#Studio Series (TakaraTomy)|Studio Series]]'' toyline and the [[Transformers Go! Go!#Collections|first collected edition of ''Go! Go!'']].
* It was rerun as the March 2024 issue of the webcomic where it advertised the ''[[Studio Series#TakaraTomy Studio Series toyline|Studio Series]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#BBROTB|Optimus Prime]] and [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#SS100|Bumblebee]] figures, the ''[[Transformers Premium Finish|Premium Finish]]'' [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#Premium Finish|Megatron]] and [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Premium Finish|Starscream]] toys, and of course the first collected edition of ''Go! Go!''.

===Transformers references===
*''Go! Go!'' is fairly reference light this month beyond the entire issue being an extended riff on Optimus Prime's famous motto first introduced in his [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#The Transformers|Generation 1 toy]] [[bio]], "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings."<ref>{{citesocial|quote=テレマガ10・11・12月号TFごー！ごー！裏話💎 オプティマスのモットー「自由とは全知的生命体が持つ権利」と、more than meets the eyeなお話です。連載を始めてしばらく経った今このモットーに触れられて個人的にはとても満足〜画像は登場エイリアンのTips👽|link=https://twitter.com/aries_bug/status/1705779839675118035|site=Twitter|name=Haruka Oda|year=2023|month=09|day=23}}</ref>

===Real-world references===
*While the [[bunny alien|alien species]] introduced in this issue is all-new for ''Go! Go!'', their body shape and crater-littered planet is pretty transparently drawing on the common association between rabbits and the moon in Japanese culture stemming from {{w|Moon rabbit|their analogue to the "man in the moon"}}, probably best known to western readers from ''{{w|Sailor Moon}}'' protagonist Usagi Tsukino (月野うさぎ, ''Tsukino Usagi''), whose name is an oft-remarked upon {{w|homonym}} with the Japanese word for rabbit (兎). Transformers fans, meanwhile, will likely recognize the association from the ''[[Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars II]]'' rabbit named. Uh. [[Moon (BW)|Moon]].
{{--}}
==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[https://cocreco.kodansha.co.jp/telemaga/news/feature/tfgogo/sp7MB "Protect Freedom! Optimus!"] at ''TV Magazine''

*[https://comic-days.com/episode/2550689798315466710 "Protect Freedom! Optimus!"] on Comic-Days

[[Category:Go! Go! issues]]

Transformers: Galaxy Force (manga)

2025-08-12T04:03:10Z

Lonegamer78:

{{nav-cybertron|logo=TF-Galaxy-Force-Logo.png|size=350px}}
{{Comicstory
|seriesissue=[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Transformers Galaxy Force]]
|title=Transformers Galaxy Force Volume 1
|image=TF GF manga cover.jpg
|caption=Volume 1 of 1. Complete the set, kids!
|publisher=[[Kodansha]] (2005 printing);<br>[[Fukkan Dot Com]] (2025 printing)
|written by=[[Yoshihiro Iwamoto]]
|art by=[[Yoshihiro Iwamoto]]
|date=[[August 5]], [[2005]] (Kodansha);<br>August [[2025]] (Fukkan)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy continuity family|Unicron Trilogy]]
|pagecount=189 (Kodansha);<br>284 (Fukkan)
|price=390 yen (Kodansha);<br>2,970 yen (Fukkan)
|ISBN=ISBN 4063320308 (Kodansha)<br>
ISBN 978-4063320305 (Kodansha);<br>
ISBN 4835459679 (Fukkan),<br>
ISBN 978-4835459677 (Fukkan)
}}

The '''''Transformers: Galaxy Force''''' [[manga]], written and drawn by [[Yoshihiro Iwamoto]], ran for nine issues from February 2005 to October 2005 in the pages of ''[[Comic BomBom]]'' when the [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|''Galaxy Force'' cartoon]] was on air. The series is not drastically different from the cartoon, hitting all the same major storytelling beats, albeit in a more truncated form.

The series appears to have been intended to run to twelve issues, but with ''Galaxy Force'' not performing well in Japan, it was canceled after only nine installments. The manga ended with [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] combining and defeating the super-powered [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], leaving the stories of [[Gigantion]], [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]] and the concluding battle of the series untold. Iwamoto was, at least, given enough lead-in time for the final issue to end it with a double-page spread hinting at all the challenges that lay ahead, providing a dramatic "open" ending to the strip. ''BomBom'' itself did not have much life left in it thereafter, and the magazine was retired a scant two years later.<ref>[http://werou.com/nicky/log200707.html ''Ganken'' blog entry of July 17, 2007 checking from Yahoo!Japan News]</ref>

The first six issues of the manga were collected in a graphic novel along with a whimsical "Mission 0" which acted as a "making of" extra. Alas, the collection was published only one month before the cancellation of the manga, meaning that the final three chapters were not included within its pages. Iwamoto later noted that too much of the pre-publishing work for the volume had been completed when the cancellation was announced, and the plans could not be changed.<ref>[http://werou.com/nicky/log200509.html Blog entry of September 7, 2005 from Iwamoto's blog ''Ganken'']</ref> Naturally, this made these last three uncollected chapters somewhat rare amongst Japanese collectors, and even ''rarer'' amongst Western ones.

On June 16, 2025, Japanese publisher {{w|lang=ja|復刊ドットコム|Fukkan Dot Com}} announced that they will be releasing a complete edition of the manga in August 2025, which will include the last three chapters that were never included in the original {{w|tankōbon}} previously released in 2005.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=#コミックボンボンに連載され、今年20周年を迎える『トランスフォーマーギャラクシーフォース』。魂の少年マンガ家・ #岩本佳浩の手による名作コミカライズを、単行本未収録だった最終3話まで収録したコンプリート仕様で刊行。先着で新装版のカバー用原画を基にした、特製イラストカードをプレゼント！お早めにお買い求めください！|link=https://twitter.com/fukkan_com/status/1934850507816018252|name=fukkan_com|site=Twitter|year=2025|month=06|day=16}}</ref> Early copies will include a [https://www.fukkan.com/fk/CartSearchDetail?i_no=68338249&tr=t special colored illustration card] exclusive to Fukkan showcasing all five leaders - Optimus Prime, Scourge, Override, Evac, and Metroplex.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=「復刊ドットコム」限定特典・特製イラストカードの絵柄はこちら！ 5大コンボイ勢ぞろいのレアな構図に岩本先生のサインをあしらい、A5サイズのカードとしてお届けします。こちらは先着特典ですので、ぜひお早めのご確認をお願いします！！|link=https://twitter.com/fukkan_editors/status/1952278658846212137|name=fukkan_editors|site=Twitter|year=2025|month=08|day=04}}</ref>

==Chapters==
*Mission.0: [[Iwamoto Laboratory—Making of Galaxy Force]]
*Mission.1: [[Touchdown! Optimus Prime]]
*Mission.2: [[The Devil's Dogfight! Coby's Courage]]
*Mission.3: [[Intense Race Planet! Velocitron]]
*Mission.4: [[Deep Sea Discovery! Vector Prime]]
*Mission.5: [[Fastest Dream! Hot Shot's Run]]
*Mission.6: [[The Temple of Hell! Overhaul]]
*[[Galaxy Force Mission.7|Mission.7]]
*[[Galaxy Force Mission.8|Mission.8]]
*[[Galaxy Force Mission.9|Mission.9]]

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]]
*[[Vector Prime]]
*[[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]]
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]]
*[[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]]
*[[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]]
*[[Override (Cybertron)|Nitro Convoy]]
*[[Clocker (Cybertron)|Clocker]]
*[[Brakedown (Cybertron)|Brakedown]]
*[[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Overhaul]]

'''Mini-Cons'''

*[[Safeguard (Cybertron)|Safeguard]]
*[[Recon Mini-Con Team]]
**[[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]]
**[[Reverb (Cybertron)|Reverb]]
**[[Six-Speed (Cybertron)|Six-Speed]]

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]
*[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]
*[[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]]
*[[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]]
*[[Crumplezone (Cybertron)|Crumplezone]]
*[[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]]

|c3=
*[[Coby Hansen]]
*[[Lori Jiménez|Lori]]
*[[Bud Hansen]]
}}

==Notes==

* The "Mission #" headers and the actual ''chapter titles'' were absent from the original ''Comic BomBom'' printings and retroactively added to the graphic novel collection. Because Missions 7-9 were never collected, they lack chapter titles. For the purposes of this wiki, the articles have been titled "Galaxy Force Mission 7-9".
* Iwamoto specifically points out Metroplex in the special Fukkan-exclusive illustration card for their manga version, whose only appearance was a silhouette in the final chapter due to the timing of the original serialization.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=その中でメガロコンボイだけは連載の都合で最終回最終ページにシルエット的に登場しただけでした。|link=https://note.com/iwamoto_yoshi/n/n7955b3dfa757|name=Iwamoto Yoshihiro|site=note|title=『トラスフォーマーギャラクシーフォース』復刊近し！|year=2025|month=08|day=04}}</ref>

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Galaxy Force (manga)}}
[[Category:Cybertron media]]
[[Category:Manga]]

Transformers: Galaxy Force (manga)

2025-08-05T03:06:44Z

Lonegamer78:

{{nav-cybertron|logo=TF-Galaxy-Force-Logo.png|size=350px}}
{{Comicstory
|seriesissue=[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Transformers Galaxy Force]]
|title=Transformers Galaxy Force Volume 1
|image=TF GF manga cover.jpg
|caption=Volume 1 of 1. Complete the set, kids!
|publisher=[[Kodansha]] (2005 printing);<br>[[Fukkan Dot Com]] (2025 printing)
|written by=[[Yoshihiro Iwamoto]]
|art by=[[Yoshihiro Iwamoto]]
|date=[[August 5]], [[2005]] (Kodansha);<br>August [[2025]] (Fukkan)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy continuity family|Unicron Trilogy]]
|pagecount=189 (Kodansha);<br>284 (Fukkan)
|price=390 yen (Kodansha);<br>2,970 yen (Fukkan)
|ISBN=ISBN 4063320308 (Kodansha)<br>
ISBN 978-4063320305 (Kodansha);<br>
ISBN 4835459679 (Fukkan),<br>
ISBN 978-4835459677 (Fukkan)
}}

The '''''Transformers: Galaxy Force''''' [[manga]], written and drawn by [[Yoshihiro Iwamoto]], ran for nine issues from February 2005 to October 2005 in the pages of ''[[Comic BomBom]]'' when the [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|''Galaxy Force'' cartoon]] was on air. The series is not drastically different from the cartoon, hitting all the same major storytelling beats, albeit in a more truncated form.

The series appears to have been intended to run to twelve issues, but with ''Galaxy Force'' not performing well in Japan, it was canceled after only nine installments. The manga ended with [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] combining and defeating the super-powered [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], leaving the stories of [[Gigantion]], [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]] and the concluding battle of the series untold. Iwamoto was, at least, given enough lead-in time for the final issue to end it with a double-page spread hinting at all the challenges that lay ahead, providing a dramatic "open" ending to the strip. ''BomBom'' itself did not have much life left in it thereafter, and the magazine was retired a scant two years later.<ref>[http://werou.com/nicky/log200707.html ''Ganken'' blog entry of July 17, 2007 checking from Yahoo!Japan News]</ref>

The first six issues of the manga were collected in a graphic novel along with a whimsical "Mission 0" which acted as a "making of" extra. Alas, the collection was published only one month before the cancellation of the manga, meaning that the final three chapters were not included within its pages. Iwamoto later noted that too much of the pre-publishing work for the volume had been completed when the cancellation was announced, and the plans could not be changed.<ref>[http://werou.com/nicky/log200509.html Blog entry of September 7, 2005 from Iwamoto's blog ''Ganken'']</ref> Naturally, this made these last three uncollected chapters somewhat rare amongst Japanese collectors, and even ''rarer'' amongst Western ones.

On June 16, 2025, Japanese publisher {{w|lang=ja|復刊ドットコム|Fukkan Dot Com}} announced that they will be releasing a complete edition of the manga in August 2025, which will include the last three chapters that were never included in the original {{w|tankōbon}} previously released in 2005.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=#コミックボンボンに連載され、今年20周年を迎える『トランスフォーマーギャラクシーフォース』。魂の少年マンガ家・ #岩本佳浩の手による名作コミカライズを、単行本未収録だった最終3話まで収録したコンプリート仕様で刊行。先着で新装版のカバー用原画を基にした、特製イラストカードをプレゼント！お早めにお買い求めください！|link=https://twitter.com/fukkan_com/status/1934850507816018252|name=fukkan_com|site=Twitter|year=2025|month=06|day=16}}</ref> Early copies will include a [https://www.fukkan.com/fk/CartSearchDetail?i_no=68338249&tr=t special colored illustration card] exclusive to Fukkan showcasing all five Convoys - Galaxy Convoy, Flame Convoy, Nitro Convoy, Live Convoy, and Megalo Convoy.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=「復刊ドットコム」限定特典・特製イラストカードの絵柄はこちら！ 5大コンボイ勢ぞろいのレアな構図に岩本先生のサインをあしらい、A5サイズのカードとしてお届けします。こちらは先着特典ですので、ぜひお早めのご確認をお願いします！！|link=https://twitter.com/fukkan_editors/status/1952278658846212137|name=fukkan_editors|site=Twitter|year=2025|month=08|day=04}}</ref>

==Chapters==
*Mission.0: [[Iwamoto Laboratory—Making of Galaxy Force]]
*Mission.1: [[Touchdown! Optimus Prime]]
*Mission.2: [[The Devil's Dogfight! Coby's Courage]]
*Mission.3: [[Intense Race Planet! Velocitron]]
*Mission.4: [[Deep Sea Discovery! Vector Prime]]
*Mission.5: [[Fastest Dream! Hot Shot's Run]]
*Mission.6: [[The Temple of Hell! Overhaul]]
*[[Galaxy Force Mission.7|Mission.7]]
*[[Galaxy Force Mission.8|Mission.8]]
*[[Galaxy Force Mission.9|Mission.9]]

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]]
*[[Vector Prime]]
*[[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]]
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]]
*[[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]]
*[[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]]
*[[Override (Cybertron)|Nitro Convoy]]
*[[Clocker (Cybertron)|Clocker]]
*[[Brakedown (Cybertron)|Brakedown]]
*[[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Overhaul]]

'''Mini-Cons'''

*[[Safeguard (Cybertron)|Safeguard]]
*[[Recon Mini-Con Team]]
**[[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]]
**[[Reverb (Cybertron)|Reverb]]
**[[Six-Speed (Cybertron)|Six-Speed]]

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]
*[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]
*[[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]]
*[[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]]
*[[Crumplezone (Cybertron)|Crumplezone]]
*[[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]]

|c3=
*[[Coby Hansen]]
*[[Lori Jiménez|Lori]]
*[[Bud Hansen]]
}}

==Notes==

* The "Mission #" headers and the actual ''chapter titles'' were absent from the original ''Comic BomBom'' printings and retroactively added to the graphic novel collection. Because Missions 7-9 were never collected, they lack chapter titles. For the purposes of this wiki, the articles have been titled "Galaxy Force Mission 7-9".
* Iwamoto specifically points out Megalo Convoy in the special Fukkan-exclusive illustration card for their manga version, whose only appearance was a silhouette in the final chapter due to the timing of the original serialization.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=その中でメガロコンボイだけは連載の都合で最終回最終ページにシルエット的に登場しただけでした。|link=https://note.com/iwamoto_yoshi/n/n7955b3dfa757|name=Iwamoto Yoshihiro|site=note|title=『トラスフォーマーギャラクシーフォース』復刊近し！|year=2025|month=08|day=04}}</ref>

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Galaxy Force (manga)}}
[[Category:Cybertron media]]
[[Category:Manga]]

Transformers: Galaxy Force (manga)

2025-08-05T03:05:34Z

Lonegamer78: Adding Fukkan's release of the complete edition.

{{nav-cybertron|logo=TF-Galaxy-Force-Logo.png|size=350px}}
{{Comicstory
|seriesissue=[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Transformers Galaxy Force]]
|title=Transformers Galaxy Force Volume 1
|image=TF GF manga cover.jpg
|caption=Volume 1 of 1. Complete the set, kids!
|publisher=[[Kodansha]] (2005 printing);<br>[[Fukkan Dot Com]] (2025 printing)
|written by=[[Yoshihiro Iwamoto]]
|art by=[[Yoshihiro Iwamoto]]
|date=[[August 5]], [[2005]] (Kodansha);<br>August [[2025]] (Fukkan)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy continuity family|Unicron Trilogy]]
|pagecount=189 (Kodansha);<br>284 (Fukkan)
|price=390 yen (Kodansha);<br>2,970 yen (Fukkan)
|ISBN=ISBN 4063320308 (Kodansha)<br>
ISBN 978-4063320305 (Kodansha);<br>
ISBN 4835459679 (Fukkan),<br>
ISBN 978-4835459677 (Fukkan)
}}

The '''''Transformers: Galaxy Force''''' [[manga]], written and drawn by [[Yoshihiro Iwamoto]], ran for nine issues from February 2005 to October 2005 in the pages of ''[[Comic BomBom]]'' when the [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|''Galaxy Force'' cartoon]] was on air. The series is not drastically different from the cartoon, hitting all the same major storytelling beats, albeit in a more truncated form.

The series appears to have been intended to run to twelve issues, but with ''Galaxy Force'' not performing well in Japan, it was canceled after only nine installments. The manga ended with [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] combining and defeating the super-powered [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], leaving the stories of [[Gigantion]], [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]] and the concluding battle of the series untold. Iwamoto was, at least, given enough lead-in time for the final issue to end it with a double-page spread hinting at all the challenges that lay ahead, providing a dramatic "open" ending to the strip. ''BomBom'' itself did not have much life left in it thereafter, and the magazine was retired a scant two years later.<ref>[http://werou.com/nicky/log200707.html ''Ganken'' blog entry of July 17, 2007 checking from Yahoo!Japan News]</ref>

The first six issues of the manga were collected in a graphic novel along with a whimsical "Mission 0" which acted as a "making of" extra. Alas, the collection was published only one month before the cancellation of the manga, meaning that the final three chapters were not included within its pages. Iwamoto later noted that too much of the pre-publishing work for the volume had been completed when the cancellation was announced, and the plans could not be changed.<ref>[http://werou.com/nicky/log200509.html Blog entry of September 7, 2005 from Iwamoto's blog ''Ganken'']</ref> Naturally, this made these last three uncollected chapters somewhat rare amongst Japanese collectors, and even ''rarer'' amongst Western ones.

On June 16, 2025, Japanese publisher {{w|lang=ja|復刊ドットコム|Fukkan Dot Com}} announced that they will be releasing a complete edition of the manga in August 2025, which will include the last three chapters that were never included in the original {{w|tankōbon}} previously released in 2005.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=#コミックボンボンに連載され、今年20周年を迎える『トランスフォーマーギャラクシーフォース』。魂の少年マンガ家・ #岩本佳浩の手による名作コミカライズを、単行本未収録だった最終3話まで収録したコンプリート仕様で刊行。先着で新装版のカバー用原画を基にした、特製イラストカードをプレゼント！お早めにお買い求めください！|link=https://twitter.com/fukkan_com/status/1934850507816018252|name=fukkan_com|site=Twitter|year=2025|month=06|day=16}}</ref> Early copies will include a special colored illustration card exclusive to Fukkan showcasing all five Convoys - Galaxy Convoy, Flame Convoy, Nitro Convoy, Live Convoy, and Megalo Convoy.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=「復刊ドットコム」限定特典・特製イラストカードの絵柄はこちら！ 5大コンボイ勢ぞろいのレアな構図に岩本先生のサインをあしらい、A5サイズのカードとしてお届けします。こちらは先着特典ですので、ぜひお早めのご確認をお願いします！！|link=https://twitter.com/fukkan_editors/status/1952278658846212137|name=fukkan_editors|site=Twitter|year=2025|month=08|day=04}}</ref>

==Chapters==
*Mission.0: [[Iwamoto Laboratory—Making of Galaxy Force]]
*Mission.1: [[Touchdown! Optimus Prime]]
*Mission.2: [[The Devil's Dogfight! Coby's Courage]]
*Mission.3: [[Intense Race Planet! Velocitron]]
*Mission.4: [[Deep Sea Discovery! Vector Prime]]
*Mission.5: [[Fastest Dream! Hot Shot's Run]]
*Mission.6: [[The Temple of Hell! Overhaul]]
*[[Galaxy Force Mission.7|Mission.7]]
*[[Galaxy Force Mission.8|Mission.8]]
*[[Galaxy Force Mission.9|Mission.9]]

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]]
*[[Vector Prime]]
*[[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]]
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]]
*[[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]]
*[[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]]
*[[Override (Cybertron)|Nitro Convoy]]
*[[Clocker (Cybertron)|Clocker]]
*[[Brakedown (Cybertron)|Brakedown]]
*[[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Overhaul]]

'''Mini-Cons'''

*[[Safeguard (Cybertron)|Safeguard]]
*[[Recon Mini-Con Team]]
**[[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]]
**[[Reverb (Cybertron)|Reverb]]
**[[Six-Speed (Cybertron)|Six-Speed]]

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]
*[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]
*[[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]]
*[[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]]
*[[Crumplezone (Cybertron)|Crumplezone]]
*[[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]]

|c3=
*[[Coby Hansen]]
*[[Lori Jiménez|Lori]]
*[[Bud Hansen]]
}}

==Notes==

* The "Mission #" headers and the actual ''chapter titles'' were absent from the original ''Comic BomBom'' printings and retroactively added to the graphic novel collection. Because Missions 7-9 were never collected, they lack chapter titles. For the purposes of this wiki, the articles have been titled "Galaxy Force Mission 7-9".
* Iwamoto specifically points out Megalo Convoy in the special Fukkan-exclusive illustration card for their manga version, whose only appearance was a silhouette in the final chapter due to the timing of the original serialization.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=その中でメガロコンボイだけは連載の都合で最終回最終ページにシルエット的に登場しただけでした。|link=https://note.com/iwamoto_yoshi/n/n7955b3dfa757|name=Iwamoto Yoshihiro|site=note|title=『トラスフォーマーギャラクシーフォース』復刊近し！|year=2025|month=08|day=04}}</ref>

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Galaxy Force (manga)}}
[[Category:Cybertron media]]
[[Category:Manga]]

User talk:Sacidream

2025-05-04T21:47:57Z

Lonegamer78: /* Slow down on the caption editing */ new section

{{welcome}}

However...

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Please use that "Show preview" button before you click "Save page" so we don't see a string of edits in the Recent Changes page. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 23:13, 11 January 2020 (EST)

its my user page right {{unsigned|Sacidream}}
:Kind of yes, kind of no. [[Transformers Wiki:User page#User page etiquette|See this page]] for more information on the proper etiquette. [[User:Genitus|Genitus]] ([[User talk:Genitus|talk]]) 19:21, 13 January 2020 (EST)
::Thx bb {{unsigned|Sacidream}}
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== Uploaded files ==

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User talk:ZarquisYiris

2025-03-31T06:01:18Z

Lonegamer78:

{{welcome}}
{{signyourposts}}
Stop changing the names on Enemy of my Enemy. There is no evidence that they go by those names in the episode, especially when they go by the existing names in every other appearance. If you continue to edit war, you will be blocked from editing. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:02, 26 March 2025 (EDT)
:Okay, I'll stop. But you have to understand. What I'm doing is to show you that it's a possibility that they might go by those names one day if the show gets revived. {{unsigned|ZarquisYiris|2025-03-26T21:24}}
::That's ''not'' how the wiki works. We base things on what has ''actually'' happened, not on speculation. Do not add '''''any''''' more information based on what you think "might" happen in some hypothetical scenario. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:49, 26 March 2025 (EDT)
:::Okay, it won't happen again. {{unsigned|ZarquisYiris|2025-03-26T22:14}}
::::You've already been warned about edit warring on those same page once. If it happens one more time, you will be blocked from editing. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:25, 30 March 2025 (EDT)
:::::Okay, okay. This time I’m keeping my words. Cause I thought the names Skyfire, Slag, and Outback are what it said on the blacklist cards. But now I realized, it’s probably not. {{unsigned|ZarquisYiris|2025-03-30T21:01}}

User talk:TheCrimsonAutobot

2025-02-03T09:56:11Z

Lonegamer78:

{{welcome}}

==Preview your edits==
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Use that "Show preview" button before you click "Save page" so as to check if your edits are satisfactory. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 04:56, 3 February 2025 (EST)

User talk:Steampunk671213

2025-02-03T09:53:56Z

Lonegamer78: Re-sorting for better reading flow.

{{welcome}}
==Timeout==
Hi, I am giving you a timeout for edit warring. If you find yourself repeatedly being reverted, we prefer you take it up on the article talk page rather than continuing to make the same edits again. Editing collaboratively is one of the cornerstones to successfully creating a wiki. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:07, 2 February 2025 (EST)
:Interesting. I guess I’ll check out the talk page and see how it works then. The main issue seems to be a user called Cyberlink420, so if I can get him to stop throwing a tantrum and actually look at the official sources I provided then this should be over quickly enough. Thank you for informing me of the talk page and its purpose. [[User:Steampunk671213|Steampunk671213]] ([[User talk:Steampunk671213|talk]]) 22:47, 2 February 2025 (EST)
::You do know I'm part of the site staff and everyone else is in agreement that you using a ruler isn't actually adequate as a source, right? Hence why we're going to be spending the next few days cleaning out any entries that don't have an exact number available and adding proper citations for everything. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:31, 2 February 2025 (EST)
:::Yeah I know. I checked out the admin page earlier today and saw you listed there (also some folks complained about you specifically when describing to me how to use this site lol). Was wondering when I’d get the chance to chat with you without character limits. Glad I finally have the opportunity. So here’s something I don’t quite understand: if you were complacent with eyeballing official charts prior to today, why lose your cool when presented with the concept of actually measuring unlabeled charts out? It’s far more accurate and can be easily replicated across multiple people for confirmation. One might even say that measuring a chart is just a more accurate way of reading it. The only possible downside to it is that it would create a little more room for pesky debates about the exact figures to put down, but even that could be resolved with a simple “~” in front of the heights and a disclaimer above the segment explaining that the listed heights were taken from an unlabeled chart. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate you or think you’re stupid, but I find your inability to come up with such simple solutions, such as the ones I’ve listed, exceptionally strange. Especially when blatantly inaccurate listings like 18 meters for Omega Supreme have been prevalent for so long. Although I do see the logic in your plan to simply erase the sections based on unlabeled charts. It’s pretty simple and will get rid of any need for debating the heights on that page. Also love that the sources section will finally be overhauled. While you’re at it, please finally get around to erasing those fan made AOE Dinobot heights and KSI drone blueprint heights. I don’t know who added those to the official heights page, but they’re about the furthest thing from official. They were created in the AOE scale chart thread on TFW2005 by a user called RedGoblin. They’re exceptionally well made, but they are still fan made and don’t belong on the page. [[User:Steampunk671213|Steampunk671213]] ([[User talk:Steampunk671213|talk]]) 22:47, 2 February 2025 (EST)
::::The page hasn't been addressed until now because it's barely been touched over the last ''almost 15 years'' and fell through the cracks (hence why it still lists the KSI blueprints despite the fact we deleted those files from the wiki years ago); we can't be aware of the state of all 30,000+ pages at any given moment. Standards for pages in general have also gone up since the page was created, hence why multiple older pages have been heavily overhauled, and with this page getting so much recent attention, it reminded people it exists and led multiple regulars to realize it was in a serious need of cleanup. And even using a ruler, there are people who are going to debate the accuracy of that, hence why it's much more reasonable to only list sizes that are officially labelled. Also, please sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 22:08, 2 February 2025 (EST)
:::::Now this is why I was excited to talk to you. That’s amazing stuff to hear right there. I frequent TFW2005 far more than I frequent this place so I’ve only scratched the surface of its rich history. Apologies for rocking the boat while learning how to use this site, although I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t excited to finally see this overhaul occur. Btw, since I won’t be able to edit anything for the next few days, I guess I’ll go ahead and give you these here: https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/aoe-scale-chart-thread.966670/page-161#post-23075042 It’s a compilation of nearly every official movie size chart and source that I’ve collected. There’s some stuff in here that’s already found its way to the TFwiki, and quite a lot that hasn’t. Can’t wait to see Shatter’s official height finally added to this place. [[User:Steampunk671213|Steampunk671213]] ([[User talk:Steampunk671213|talk]]) 22:47, 2 February 2025 (EST)
::::::Appreciated. And you don't need to type the nowiki part, just the four tildes; that'll automatically add your signature and timestamp. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 22:41, 2 February 2025 (EST)
:::::::Ah I see. Thank you. [[User:Steampunk671213|Steampunk671213]] ([[User talk:Steampunk671213|talk]]) 22:47, 2 February 2025 (EST)

==Preview before saving==

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...''please'' use that "Show preview" button that's to the right of the "Save page" button so you can check to see how your edit/post will look like. That way you're not cluttering up the Recent Changes page with your edits, and make sure to check the box to the left of "This is a minor edit" if they're small edits. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 04:53, 3 February 2025 (EST)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2024-12-08T04:49:04Z

Lonegamer78: /* Maybe we should consider our stance on leaks... */

__NEWSECTIONLINK__

This is the place for discussion of topics that affect the entire wiki. For less wide-reaching subjects, either use articles' individual talk pages or [https://discord.com/invite/N99Bygq our Discord server.]

Some topics that would ordinarily be here have merited their own pages:

{{chapters|title=Specific Discussion Subjects|align=left|content=
<div class="list-header">'''Moving From Wikia:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving|Arriving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving|Leaving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal/Complaints|Complaints]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''New Ad Policy:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki:Ads|Ads]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''Bookworm Database-Crash:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central|Damage Control Central]]
* [[Project:Bookworm Crash]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving2|Leaving Take 2]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''Server Move:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving2|Arriving Take 2]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''Relicensing:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Relicensing|Relicensing]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''Dealing With Vandalism:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Vandalism|Vandalism]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''GoBots Sister Wiki:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/GoBots|Discussion on the place of GoBots in this wiki]]
<br/> <div class="list-header">'''Wiki Technical Information:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki:Tech|A Not So Brief Summary of the Horrible Things That McFly and Co. Have Done To Keep This Wiki From Melting Down]]
}}<br/>

{{:{{FULLPAGENAMEE}}/Archive}}


== Press release or logo for 30,000 articles? ==
Is it worth putting something together as we get very very close? Maybe something like:
* 3 from Thrilling 30 logo
* 0 from the 40th logo
* 0 from the Vector Sigma "Featured" logo
* 0 from the cosmic-streaking O in the TFTM opener
* 0 from GO!

Just a suggestion.... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:45, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:If we wanted to go down that route, maybe tie into some of the contemporary material? Say, the "O"s from [[Energon Universe]] or [[Transformers: Legacy#Legacy: Evolution|Evolution]]? (Though the latter isn't exactly straight-on...) --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 14:38, 10 November 2023 (EST)
::Sure! I lean towards the Energon Universe choice. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:48, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:Apologies, I've corrected the count on the main page as it was inaccurate, so we're not as close as it looked like we were. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:20, 10 November 2023 (EST)
::That just means we have more time to decide and, if so, pull things together. :) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:51, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:::Feels like we just leapt up 40 new articles in the last 2-3 days. Is it worth putting a graphic together? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 22:47, 18 January 2024 (EST)

=="Multi-pack" vs "gift set" and suchlike==
Incoming semantics, but... as I've been going through the toy entries, been trying to standardize/streamline a lot of stuff, and I think maybe a set of consistent terms/definitions for "a bunch of separate toys packed together" is in order. So lemme throw this out here for discussion/future reference...
*'''Multi-pack''' — A pack of toys where the contents (or at least most/some/any of them) are exclusive to this release, not sold in other packaging. Most multi-toy releases nowadays would fall under this umbrella by default.
*'''Gift set''' — A pack of toys where all of the contents are/were concurrently (or close enough) sold individually as well, without changes, in the same market. Like all the various G1 combiner sets.
The latter brings up the question of if we want to label all the Takara "VS" packs and the various UT-era "VALUE PACK!" sets under that umbrella, which I'm ambivalent-to-marginally-in-favor-of over. Especially as Takara's been putting out new "VS" packs where the toys are new decos not available elsewhere... also we kinda made up the "VS pack" term anyway, as memory serves, so. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:15, 8 January 2024 (EST)
:Hasbro has used the word "[[Giftset]]" to refer to unique variants not available separately. I'm inclined to think we shouldn't directly contradict that. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:21, 8 January 2024 (EST)
::and damn but does that article need updating. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:22, 8 January 2024 (EST)
:::I'm inclined to think that Hasbro uses lots of terms in ways that are not exactly conducive to organizing a wiki. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 8 January 2024 (EST)

==More bullet point insignia?==
Okay so... I recall there were some other possible faction symbol bullet points we could maybe use. I ran across a few with this batch of toy pics we might consider adding. I'll list them here, see if people can think of more. I feel like there might be a couple more two-faction matchups out there.
* Rescue Bots
* The various BotBots squads
* My First Transformers

I'm not un-convinced that we should have the bespoke insignia for stuff like the Disney Label, since they do use them on the packaging. So uh... there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:51, 13 January 2024 (EST)
:Also, while looking at the list of all the bullets on the template page... maybe we should see if we can split the list up a smidge? Like, put all the mutli-faction icons in one section, a section just for BotBots since there's gonna be quite a few of them? Alphabetizing them might also be in order. (I have exactly zero idea how those templates are coded, so uh, lemme know if that's doable.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:42, 13 January 2024 (EST)
::There's also the [[Star Wars Transformers]]... though I'm not sure if using ''Star Wars'' insignia falls too much out of this wiki's scope, although we do use at least use them on the actual characters' pages (see [[Darth Vader]]). [[User:Turborun|Turborun]] ([[User talk:Turborun|talk]]) 10:34, 13 January 2024 (EST)
:::I don't think we'd use SW insignia because, near as I can tell, the toy packaging doesn't mark the toys that way. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:27, 14 January 2024 (EST)

== Idea for reducing the size of toy sections by compacting unchanged toy entries ==

I've come up with an idea that I think would make toy sections on character pages a little better and more intuitive. Instead of having a long list of entries for multiple releases of the exact same toy completely unchanged, we could just compact them all in a single entry, describing how the toy was available both individually and unchanged in a bunch of multipacks. This could be especially helpful with toy sections that are way too long, such as both the Movie Optimus Prime and Bumblebee toy pages that have been subject to a lot of discussion already.

[[User:Fritz/Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|I used the 2007 Legends Class section of the Movie Optimus Prime toy page to make a quick example out of it.]] The entries would be reduced from four to two toys, since 3/4 of them are the same toy anyway, and a lot of white space would be removed. As for the images of the multipacks, I don't think we would be losing much in removing them since the wiki has never prioritized images of packagings for anything really and, as I know is written somewhere in the "rules", the wiki isn't supposed to be used as an image hosting website in the first place.

So, any thoughts? --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 20:18, 20 January 2024 (EST)
: We used to do this and it was actually kind of worse. There's also complications when unchanged toys end up being sold under different franchise headers, and when you add in all the other bullet point data a toy/set might have, you could end up with a lonnnnng list of bullet points before you get to the actual writeup, plus describing the multi-packs' contents... you're not really saving space while also kinda hurting the demi-chronological flow of the information. And deleting the multi-pack package imagery feels very wrong. It's one of those cases where there's no real ideal situation, but there's a least-bad one.
:That said, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to make sure the first entry mentions these "repacks" alongside the redecoes and links to the relevant items. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)
::Good points, as usual. Now that you mentioned it, I think I do have a vague memory of this being done in the past. I was going to suggest the repacks from different toylines should remain separate, though. My mentality was that maybe we could have a way to highlight the "main" releases (original and redecoes/retools) from the "minor" ones (unchanged repacks) to make it easier to identify in a glance how many actually-different toys were released within a toyline, but I wouldn't want it to cause ''more'' confusion than ''less''. Anyway thanks for taking the time to evaluate the idea. --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 05:54, 22 January 2024 (EST)

==Repurposings, continuity transplants, and using Template:Main/Template:See to improve navigability==
I've gone back to the drawing board to come up with a way to signal to readers where closely-related pages exist, as I don't think [[Help:Disambiguation|disambiguation]] pages are enough and have found [[Template:OtherVersions]] to be unideal. [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive70#Proposal re: G1 pages|Previously]], I'd suggested merging a bunch of pages for so-called "[[Continuity family|continuity]] transplants", but other users convinced me this would be a poor solution. One alternative suggestion, from [[User:Broadside]], was to use [[Template:Main]] to put key links to a character's appearances in other continuity families directly in the fiction section—[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive70#Handling of "former GoBots" and "former Diaclone" characters on the wiki|reactions at the time]] were neutral-positive. You can see mockups for [[User:Broadside/Sandbox:Cy-Kill|Cy-Kill]] and [[User:Broadside/Sandbox:Bug Bite|Bug Bite]]. This strikes me as the best of both worlds, because it keeps the consistent schema (which helps for page length and organisation) but also puts a link to the information in the place where your typical reader is expecting to find it (on the page for the highest-profile first incarnation of the character).

With the same philosophy in mind, I've also designed two new templates. The first, [[Template:Toyappeared]], is intended for use in toy write-ups as a way of linking to fiction write-ups and character pages. It covers [[repurposing]]s, "continuity transplants", notable instances of [[Show-accuracy|toy-accuracy]], in-fiction [[Reformatting|powerups]], [[Redeco#"Virtual" redecos|"virtual" redecos]], you name it. Toy write-ups are increasingly being duplicated across multiple character pages, which creates maintenance overhead, as both instances must be manually kept in sync. My suggestion is to use [[Template:See]] to link to the full information regarding a toy on the original page, with the repurposed instance giving only brief information of what the toy is and ''why'' it was repurposed or whatever. The second of my new templates has a much more specific intended use case: [[Template:Bwucharacter]] provides an easy way of explaining how/why a character was reinterpreted for their ''Uprising'' appearance, as ''Uprising'' accounts for most of the situations I view as being problematic.

I realise I'm proposing like five things at once here, so [[User:The Wadapan/sandbox/repurposing|my sandbox]] has [[User:The Wadapan/sandbox/repurposing#Full example|a full example]] demonstrating how it all works together, along with tons of individual examples of the templates' usage and a more thorough explanation of what I'm trying to address with them. Take a look, and let me know which aspects you like, which parts you don't like, or any ideas you have to add! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:24, 12 February 2024 (EST)
:I can vouch for these templates! [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 15:38, 26 February 2024 (EST)
: I'm seeing a lot of problems with the implementation of some of this, and a lot of future headaches. The ones rolled out put what look like stub headers in a fiction section with just a small normal missable note up top; and in Override's case in specific, multiple stubs with completely redundant information. What this is ''going'' to do is get new people thinking that these are missing information that needs to be filled, then we gotta revert it and tell them no all that goes elsewhere, which is utterly unintuitive and will just lead to arguments and headaches all around.
: As for toys, in the instances of BWU-type stuff where it's a one-toy Mini-Con or whatever, I feel like NOT having the actual toy info for them on the BWU page, as with the Mini-Con Snow Cat toy currently, is not doing the reader any favors. Quite the opposite. Why are we making them jump to a different page for information that has no reason to not be right there? I don't like making readers jump through hoops needlessly, and that's all this feels like. And it's not like the toy sections of most of these are gonna see major changes, so lack of cross-updating is very, very, very unlikely to be an issue.
: I really don't think these require new templates and a bunch of new-editor landmines. At most, there's a decent argument to be made for re-positioning the "you look familiar" template that already exists, maybe below the main character writeup (above feels like a bad layout choice, pushing all kinds of stuff down.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 02:11, 28 February 2024 (EST)

== Listings and accessories ==

When I was making the description for cannonball based on the Walmart listing, there was mention of a Gatling gun and hammer not shown in the stock images,and left them out.

If I run into this type of situation again, what do I do?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 10:56, 7 March 2024 (EST)

== A few suggestions ==

Gallery pages should only include images that aren't easily accessed by going to the main page, to avoid cluttering. I guess this is not an issue now since the current gallery pages are fairly short.

There should be more dedication in listing alt-modes of characters. Maybe there should be a header or something. For example, if the Dreamwave version of [[Sunstorm (G1)#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Sunstorm]] transforms into an F-16 jet, it should be listed in the beginning with a header for the sake of easy access to the said information.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 13:59, 17 March 2024 (EDT)

== Will we get an article on The Masked Singer? ==

Will there be an article on TFWiki about The Masked Singer, specifically their recent "Transformers Night" episode (https://the-masked-singer.fandom.com/wiki/Transformers_Night)? --[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 20:01, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

: Assuming it's a licensed appearance (I can't check the credits myself :C ), I can't think why it wouldn't be [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 21:15, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

:: It was indeed licensed. --[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 22:30, 12 April 2024 (EDT)
:::Yes, as an official Hasbro-sanctioned piece of TF media, the episode does meet our requirements for inclusion. It just needs someone to write it up. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:22, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

== Franchise articles ==
So I was looking at the franchise pages to try and get an idea of what the standard is supposed to be for how they are written. Should all of them be updated to be more like the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)]] article? What was making me wonder this was that on the [[Transformers: Energon (franchise)]] article it had a section for "Homages" and one for "New characters" which I don't think any other franchise article has. --[[User:1levichurch|1levichurch]] ([[User talk:1levichurch||talk]]) 22:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

== AI upscaled images ==
With fresh offsite talks about the matter, I put forth we add an official policy against posting AI upscaled images of any kind to the wiki, owing to their subpar performance in "enhancing" the quality of images. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 23:52, 1 May 2024 (EDT)
:Agreed. It's literally faking information and presenting it as official. (Also often noticeably terrible.) Sometimes the best quality available of something sucks, but we simply have to deal. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2024 (EDT)
::100 percent agreed. It's called "artificial" for a reason. Plenty of details would be lost out through the upscaling, and several times errors on the wiki somehow became official through Hastak using the wiki for references (the whole [[Circular reporting]] thing). If we start allowing AI upscaled images, then we're likely to have things lost to the annals of time. Potato quality is better than lost quality[[User:Singularity|Singularity]] ([[User talk:Singularity|talk]]) 00:11, 2 May 2024 (EDT)
: Sure. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:43, 2 May 2024 (EDT)

== Ending addition of high-end statues ==
This is something I doubt other people have noticed, but I'm putting down a tent-peg on it: After having built the entries for dozens of high-end collectable TF statues in the last 2-3 years, from firms like Diamond Select, Imaginarium, Azure Sea, XM Studios, etc., and then seeing most of them either officially cancelled or never spoken of again with no reported purchases, I am going to stop adding such items here. If someone else feels like cataloguing them, great.

It really may not be possible for us to keep up with toy-like non-transforming merchandise (figurines and statues) the way we used to. There are at least two ''released'' series of G1 core cast micro-figurines with micro-comics and magnifying glasses, which would have been the rage of the fandom in 2005, that nobody ever got around to adding, and it feels like too much of a chore for me to start. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:35, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
: It's an unfortunate but very real thing that once you enter the world of licensed merch, we're ''gonna'' have big gaps. It's... a lot, on top of the "a lot" that is the regular TF toyline and fictional output today. I've said that the work involved in keeping up with all of TF's merch ought to be a full-time paying job, and I genuinely mean it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:39, 3 May 2024 (EDT)

== Transformers Roleplaying Game releases on the front page and sidebar ==

The [[Transformers Roleplaying Game]] is getting pretty frequent releases of both sourcebooks and pre-written adventures, and it occurs to me that it might be a good idea to have it on the "current releases" section of the front page and/or the navigation sidebar. How would people feel about that? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 15:49, 4 May 2024 (EDT)
: I think that makes a lot of sense, as long as we have people keeping up with the new releases to document them. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:51, 4 May 2024 (EDT)

==How we handle weapons' toy/merch sections==
Okay, so like... I'm not really convinced that what we've been doing is the best way to handle the weapon pages' toys/merch sections. Honestly, they end up looking... really shoddy. There's just tiny scraps of info, vast wads of whitespace, few to no links, the images are tons of different sizes. <br>
I'm thinking that instead of all this... maybe this is a place where a gallery is in order, just a chronological procession. Have the captions just say what lines/toys the weapons came with and link to the toys directly on the character page. It's not like there's much to say about any of these, why not let the toy listing on the character page say it? Why make people scroll through screens of mostly-emptiness, which I feel they're increasingly unlikely to do? I may do a sandbox if I'm feeling up to it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:24, 6 May 2024 (EDT)
:[[User:M Sipher/Sandbox:WeaponPageToysSection]] - So... this, basically. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:39, 6 May 2024 (EDT)
:I'd be on board with that. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:34, 6 May 2024 (EDT)
:I like it. It would be far more compact than our current approach for, say, [[Fusion cannon#Toys]], while still getting the point across. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:13, 10 May 2024 (EDT)

==Proposal for Unproduced or Unreleased Template==
I don't think the Apocrypha template is particularly useful. It was created specifically for Alignment, but most of the things in it don't fit that criteria. Something like Unproduced or Unreleased Transformer media would be more self explanatory. [[User:WillR113|WillR113]] ([[User talk:WillR113|talk]]) 07:05, 11 May 2024 (EDT)

== Use of pictures from ebay, fan sites, etc ==

Is it appropriate to use pictures of toys from ebay, fan reviews, video review screenshots and the like? Under fair use and with source credit? Sometimes rarer items we don't have good pictures of on the wiki show up in these places. In particular I found a ebay seller with good images of EZ collection toys and and old Japanese review blog with images of Takara variants of HFTD/Autobot Alliance toys so that got me wondering. —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 10:10, 12 May 2024 (EDT)
:Images from eBay and other fan sites have been and can continue to be used, giving the fullest source credit feasible. I don't think we've ever needed to rely on video review screenshots and would always prefer to have a "normal" still image instead whenever possible. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:02, 16 May 2024 (EDT)

== ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' “再構成版” エピソード視聴ガイド "Re-Configuration Version" aka "Re-Constructed Version" Episode Viewing Guide ==

We really need to document the "canon" Japanese viewing order for ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' & ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010'' originally included with the ''Pioneer'' Laserdisc booklets & later apparently revised by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] (市川裕文) for the DVD BOX SET 2 Instruction Booklet as it would help clean-up the chronology on many wiki pages here. From what I've been able to gather this particular viewing order differs from both the US/Japan production orders, the US-Airing order and the Japanese-Airing order. So what exactly is the order of the episodes of these two series according to these documents? Does anyone own them and able to list the specific order in which the episodes appear in those LD/DVD "Instruction Booklets" word-for-word? As it stands, we've only mentioned that a "narrative viewing order" exists but do not have it listed anywhere. For further clarification, it is not the order in which the episodes appear on the Japanese DVDs. [[User:Astrobotix|Astrobotix]] ([[User talk:Astrobotix|talk]]) 01:09, 15 May 2024 (EDT)
:While this information would be valuable and is worth documenting, it's unlikely to result in us making any major changes to the way our information is structured. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:31, 16 May 2024 (EDT)
:Okay, having seen the booklets in question, it just lists the episodes in production order, continuity errors and all. So...absolutely no change, then. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:44, 17 May 2024 (EDT)

== Documenting MSRP? ==

Would it be worth documenting MSRP prices (in usd at least)? For the regular retail classes that's for the most part covered by the [[size class]] page, but we don't keep track of them for more specialty items like Masterpieces, multipacks, exclusives, one-off releases not in a normal size class, special lines like Missing Link, etc. It's something I find personally interesting and would've liked to know for older figures and someone in the future might want to know about today's releases. It can also offer some neat bits of info like how Premium Finish releases were generally one price point up compared to the figure's size or how the upcoming United Cliffjumper multipack is a whole $30 off what the individual figures would cost --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 14:20, 21 May 2024 (EDT)
:I think this would be very interesting, particularly when you scroll down pages for G1 toys that got multiple reissues like the Seekers, Insecticons, and tape players. It's just that - like the Designer Notes and the proper insignias on each and every toy - it would take forever to add and would probably wind up being one super-dedicated person having to do most of the work. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:28, 21 May 2024 (EDT)
::I might try to do what I can, going back to recatalogue everything would definitely be a chore. But at the very least I strongly believe it's something we can and should implement for future toy entries. I've started a [[User:BluJayWarrior/Sandbox|MSRP Sandbox]] to try out a few formats, any feedback is appreciated. --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 05:18, 23 May 2024 (EDT)
::Cleaned up the sandbox page. Anyone have anything to say about the format? Might try applying Style 1 to a few pages this weekend if no one makes any objections. [[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 12:58, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
:::Of those options I like Style 1 the best. As you already noted, the [[size class]] pages covers basically all normal U.S. retail from BW through Legacy, missing things like Platinum and MP. To find contemporary G1 prices, here are some good resources:
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20181125082555/https://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf84.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114081109/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf85.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114091052/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf86.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114090836/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf87.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114084922/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf88.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114081716/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf89.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114085830/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf90.html
:::https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/g1-original-retail-price-listing.1167895/
:::I tried looking for G2 MSRP but couldn't find anything as obvious. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:24, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
::::Thanks for the sources, gonna have to sort through that later. Planning to start with new ROTB characters since they're smaller pages and prices can still be found. I've decided to add prices for retail classes for reader convenience; not everyone will know to go to the size class page for them and its not linked often enough to make it reasonable they would. [[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 14:22, 24 May 2024 (EDT)

: I'd been working on a project like this a long time ago, had originally proposed adding this to the wiki, but then kinda stopped... mostly because near as I could tell, the MSRP in the 80s was something retailers could just make the hell up. The price ranges for any given toy were kinda all over the damn place, and the MSRP was something some retailers used to go "no really we're cheaper SEE?" then make up some price they supposedly "discounted" down from... you know, the thing that got Kay-Bee in legal-type troubles. I was increasingly unsure how to handle that wild price variance concisely on the wiki. In fact...
::https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PBE2i9vLE6fkr933GQbXosA1cxIqB3CkOSnzW0BMdwc/edit#gid=448439989
: Take a look-see. There's at least three different MSRP values for the standard Headmasters, never mind actual sticker prices. Like, I ''want'' to provide this kind of context, I really do, and it's pretty easy once we get to the unified price points of BW on... but for G1 and G2? Woof. That's going to take a bit of mulling. "Average" price maybe, but there's gonna be some Prices Georg here and there throwing shit off. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:35, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
::RE: The sandbox... I'm gonna have to vote against Style 1, because, as noted, price info is very likely going to get... cluttered, and the longer that parenthetical is, the worse it is. I'd REALLY like to keep that to just "size class/type (if not obvious) and release year". And don't forget Takara-release prices, which can be more flexible even within a size class... but at least those have been ''extensively'' documented. I think we need to talk about bit more about everything we'd need to cover and ''how'' before we go implementing anything, and get a few more people in on the discussion. (Sorry for all the add-ons, lightly scattered today.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:18, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
:::Fair enough on the old stuff since that gets convoluted, but the newer stuff is comparatively easier to do and I'd rather start sooner before some MSRP prices get harder to find (ROTB Autobots Unite subline prices seem to have disappeared already). Added the ROTB Airazor page I was gonna start with to the sandbox so you can see how the page might look as a whole. Since you object to Style 1 I added a Style 2 version too. --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 18:38, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
:::: Assemble the data, sure, but I am going to say do ''not'' actually apply any of this to live articles. Again, there's barely been any time or discussion on a project that is... vast in scope, and we simply do not jump on stuff like this right away, because that means things will get not considered and then we have to re-do hundreds to thousands of pages... and we absolutely do ''not'' do it when there's a giant obvious gap (the first decade of the franchise) that still needs to be considered, as how we handle ''that'' will affect how we handle all the others, because we try and keep things consistent.
:::: Like, just off the top of my head, there's non-US-or-Japan markets to consider for just about everything normal-retail. Which makes me think we may want to look into a collapsible template, like with the toy designers and voice actors, to handle the other markets without overloading the bullet point sections, some of which are already a bit husky. There's the fact that Walmart and Target just dropped the prices on TF Deluxes in the US... but apparently, Hasbro didn't change their "MSRP"/cost at all. In fact a quick jump to Hasbro Pulse shows they're still charging $25 for a ''Legacy/Studio'' Deluxe, while I can pop to the local Target/Walmart and buy 'em at $20, so we gotta consider ranges just like with G1/G2. And again... ''I'm moderately convinced that "MSRP" in the USA was bullshit all along,'' so I don't know that it's the term we even want to use in the first place. Maybe "Retail price" would be better. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:17, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
:::::I think just documenting the MSRP, if we know it, is enough. No need to go down the rabbit hole of tracking down what individual retailers sell them at when they disregard the MSRP (which as, after all, only a suggested price). In my opinion, at least, it's little different from listing the cover prices of books - the only difference is that Hasbro doesn't print their suggested price directly on the box.
:::::Totally hear you on waiting to the pull the trigger until it's been properly discussed, though. Also, I prefer BluJay's Style 2 as well. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 03:46, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
:::::: Um, the problem is, again... I really don't think we HAVE any actual MSRPs outside of Takara's. What's been cataloged here are just "prices they were sold at", which isn't ''specifically'' a Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price, the specific price suggested specifically by the manufacturer. Those we'd need a source for, and as I've pointed out, the handful of stated "MSRP"s we've seen for Hasbro stuff... well, someone was lying, likely multiple someones. For BW on we have a pretty strong ''inference'' of MSRP, but, well. And even that's not reliable... I just remembered that Walmart and Target were charging markedly different prices for the ''EarthSpark'' Tacticons, like, a $2 diff.
:::::: What I'm saying is, we might want to just not call it "MSRP" because of that (also, frankly I question how many people even recognize that acronym). And because of the wide variance in prices for older stuff, no, we don't need to list every price at every retailer (there were a billion retailers in the 80s... man, remember when actual competition in the market was a thing?), but we really OUGHT to account for the variance somehow, because it can be wide and ''full''. "''Original price''" might be best, since that's what we're actually reporting here, with something like "$2.99 - $4.99 (US) / ¥500 (Japan) <expand>". I'd rather do a range than a single-price "average" on old stuff, especially when we have so MUCH data on what these were sold at across the nation that we can see the trends and when a particularly high or low price is an outlier adn should not have been counted. "Modern" stuff we can certainly ignore, say, Kohl's's higher prices and just do the average probable-MSRP-if-those-actually-exist prices most places (all two of them) charge. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:10, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
::::Alright, I'll make a [[User:BluJayWarrior/MSRP Catalog|separate sub page]] to catalog prices for now while that gets sorted out
::::As Dark T said, I think prioritizing initial Hasbro MSRP is best as it is the "intended" price (this is what [https://brickset.com Brickset] does for Lego). It's a point of consistency since historically different retailers tend have slight variations on the price anyway (Target/Walmart sometimes being slightly lower, Kohls/BBTS being higher, general lag on reflecting the msrp price increases a few years ago, etc) and I don't think that whole range needs to be noted. Admittedly the current Target/Walmart prices drops are pretty unusual (a whole $5?!) but unless it becomes something more widespread I personally wouldn't consider it as a data point. Might be worth making a note of somewhere if anything, though I'm not sure where --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 04:26, 25 May 2024 (EDT)

==Micronauts, etc.==
Why are we suddenly gaining detailed issue write-ups for so much of Micronauts, which contains no TF elements at all? Isn't that the point of the IDW Hasbroverse wiki? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:14, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
:Oh and look, now whole issues of M.A.S.K. written 7 years ago with no TF content whatsoever are being pasted from the Hasbroverse wiki. Is the other site going offline or something? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:26, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
::I don't think it was really our intention to formally unveil the project until we were further along, but some of us have been doing a fair bit of work towards creating a [https://gijoe.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page sister wiki for ''G.I. Joe''] where the [https://gijoe.miraheze.org/wiki/Comics#IDW_Publishing_3 out-of-scope IDW Joe coverage] has already been re-homed. The Joe crew hasn't made any calls about what do with non-Joe stuff to be clear (we're sort of preoccupied, there's so much Joe you guys) but I'm guessing the idea here is to align the rest with our [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive71#Energon Universe coverage|current approach]] to [[Energon Universe|Skybound's shared universe]] and sundown the IDW one? --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 15:43, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
:::That is more or less the intention, yeah. The Hasbroverse wiki was built at a time where it was perhaps anticipated to be grander than it ended up being, and it wasn't certain how long it was going to run; with the end result being "not very", having this other vestigial site for what is ultimately not a lot of content just doesn't feel practical. The exception, of course, is pre-V5 Joe, which has ''always'' been the sticking point in discussions about moving Hasbroverse content here, both for the amount and for how little it has to do with the IDW Transformers line. Having a dedicated Joe wiki solves that problem and frees up the rest of the Hasbroverse stuff to be reintegrated. Plus, there's still new Joe material being released to this day; arguably having a complete and better curated site for the franchise as a whole that continues to be updated with new releases is more likely to drive traffic and get other people to contribute than it would be linking to a dead wiki for a long-ended comic line that's had the same featured articles for five years because no one cares to add anything to it anymore. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:59, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
::::It does look like a rough consensus was reached to do this back in 2021 ([[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive69#Reintegration_of_Hasbroverse_wiki_content|Archive 69]]), it was just never implemented. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:10, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
::Like half of MASK issues have something from Transformers in them. Picking and choosing which select issues to cover here is hair-splitting and obnoxious for readers. It's immensely better to just have all the information in one, easily-accessible spot and regard Hasbro Universe as a de facto spinoff of Transformers, much like Beastformers and Energon Universe are. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:10, 1 August 2024 (EDT)

==One spoilers==
I propose that information about this movie be withheld until it actually opens in its largest market next weekend. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:04, 14 September 2024 (EDT)
: Agreed. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:08, 14 September 2024 (EDT)

==Transformers One and the conversation we've all been waiting for==

On September 12th, Lorenzo di Bonaventura [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/is-transformers-one-a-prequel-optimus-prime-origin-story-exclusive/ clarified the relationship] between ''Transformers One'' and the live-action ''Transformers'' films, describing them as "two universes" that will be "separate". For some, this kind of explicit confirmation may come as a relief after years of wishy-washy answers regarding ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'', but it also leaves us with questions on how to best handle ''One''-related information going forward. Around 2015, we adopted a unique layout we applied to all the movie characters, where we organized their movie appearances at the top of the page, regardless of chronological order of release (see "[[Optimus Prime (Movie)#Movies]]"). Obviously, this leads to some questions regarding how we should handle our ''One'' coverage going forward.

The way I see it, we have three options:

* '''Keep the page format as is, and keep''' '''''One''''' '''up with the rest of the movies''': For obvious reasons I think this is probably our weakest possible solution; it's pretty clear at this point that our current solution for classifying the films is not really sustainable, and mashing them all together under a single loosely-affiliated umbrella is already confusing and frustrating people who aren't intimately acquainted with the mechanics of the wiki.

* '''Reorganize movie character pages so that we acknowledge the live-action films and''' '''''One''''' '''as separate continuities within one continuity family, similar to how our G1 pages cover Sunbow, Marvel, JG1, IDW, etc.''': Historically speaking, this is probably the safest option, but from what I understand there is very little "connective tissue"—visually, character-wise, plot-beats—between the live-action films and ''One'' beyond the inertia of "they were both made by Paramount". As some people have discussed in the past, this could lead to a full or partial reformat of our movie character coverage to more clearly reflect the ambiguous "prequel" status of ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'', but this may be a conversation for another time.

* '''Separate''' '''''One''''' '''as an entirely new continuity family and split out the relevant information so we have pages for "Optimus Prime (One)", "Megatron (One)", etc.''' Probably the most radical proposal, but this is honestly where I'm at right now: from what I understand the movie is a pretty radical departure from everything that's gone before, with entirely new interpretations of old ''Transformers'' lore—I'd classify it as the start of a new "franchise" in the same way that we distinguish ''Earthspark'' and ''Cyberverse'' despite them both clearly drawing on the same well of post-Aligned lore, and these days "new franchise" is generally synonymous with "new continuity family" for the ease of wiki bookkeeping.

We would appreciate hearing your thoughts on the matter! '''As the film is not out yet in all regions please refrain from posting spoilers here'''. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 08:56, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I could see option 3 being the way we go, but what holds me back from that is that beyond just Paramount, Spielberg and Bay are still executive producers on the film. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:39, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

::I think we should put them on the Earthspark Continuity pages to satisfy no-one /j - but yeah, the film is drawing from the same vaguely Binder Of Revelation backstory as everything else for the last 10 years, and unless they have been hiding The Fallen twisting D-16 to evil or the twist that the Creators were the Quintessons all along, One feels pretty decoupled from the rest of the movies. The big issue I see with splitting out fully is that people wondering why we do not do the same for Bumblebee/ROTB, but that more easily passes a "vibe check" as being "Movie-adjacent" and belonging on the same page as the Bay 5-dom than One so far. Agree that trying to put them directly alongside the other movies as a prequel feels both unwieldy and confusing. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 09:41, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I vote for '''option 3''', I think creating separate pages is the way to go. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 09:54, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
::I vote for '''option 2'''. To me the movie is different enough to be a separate universe but not an entirely different continuity. Josh Cooley himself on April 18 when asked whether the film is a fresh start, a prequel to the live-action films, or its own thing, replied with: "yes to all of the above" https://comicbook.com/movies/news/transformers-one-director-confirms-new-movies-canon-status. (And having seen the movie I can confirm those connections to the live-action series do exist). [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 10:05, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I vote for '''option 3'''. One has always felt very different to the previous live action movies so I feel it should get its own dedicated pages. As for BB and ROTB, there is "connective tissue" to the Bayverse movies so I feel they can stay on the pre-existing movie pages. [[User:PublicCrown|PublicCrown]] ([[User talk:PublicCrown|talk]]) 10:25, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Having viewed the film at an advance screening, I think there are easily enough references and homages to previous films that '''option two''' makes the most sense. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 10:45, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

::I'm favorable for the '''3rd option''', it is still produced under Paramount & there are some producers attached to the project that were on previous movies, but my stance is that we should judge based on the final product & having seen the movie, it doesn't try to be in line to what came before (there are some similarities in design & names, but it stops there since every popular TF stories has influence over the next ones), helped by the new team of writers & creatives. If we can treat each new cartoon as its own entity (even tho in recent years they are streamlined in some areas), I think we can do the same for the recent movies that have more contradictory elements to the Bayverse –[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:49, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:'''<nowiki>#3</nowiki>''' is the cleanest option to me. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:32, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I think from a practical perspective, '''#3''' is the only real option. Looking at the loose guidelines for a new family on our [[continuity family]] page:
:*"a fresh continuity" — Yep, even Lorenzo's acknowledged this. Even if we questioned that, there's stuff like the AllSpark being absent (with the Matrix pretty much taking exactly the role the AllSpark would have), Megatronus being a good guy, and Sentinel's role being entirely irreconcilable with Dark of the Moon.
:*"within a separate franchise" — Yep. New franchise, and the marketing hasn't done anything to allude to the live-action films specifically.
:*"significantly different in cast, theme, style, etc." — This is the big sticking point for me. One makes no attempt to align with the visual style or characterisations of the live-action films. The sole real connective point is B-127 (name from ''Bumblebee'', he has the big cheeks and antenna of the movie guy, and his talking a lot is clearly a meta-gag about him losing his voice), but even he's characterised completely differently, as the "comedy crazy guy" who's a peer to Optimus and co instead of the cool-but-rude big brother figure from Bay/Bee/Beasts.
:I'm sympathetic to the Paramount/Bay/Spielberg/Di Bonaventura connective tissue, but my big rebuttal there is that we don't consider ''EarthSpark'' to be Aligned because Nicole Dubuc is the showrunner. Ultimately, if we hadn't had pre-release producer statements (now contradicted) calling it a prequel to the other movies, there's absolutely no way this would be in question — we'd already have it as a separate continuity family. And from a wiki organisation standpoint I don't think there's any way to, say, write up Sentinel Prime's opening paragraph in a way that adequately covers both the DOTM and One characters without genericising it to the point of uselessness. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 12:33, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
::Yeah, I think '''#3''' is straightforward and likely the approach we'd take if we were presented with the film, as a story, with zero context on the studio releasing it or EPs involved or whatever. I also think there's a high likelihood that the next live-action film will have Elita appear and be like "hey Optimus remember when we were in Transformers One?" and we'll all groan and have to reconsider, but until then, I think the real-world context is basically the only thing separating One from just being the next Broadly Aligned-y New Thing like Cyberverse and EarthSpark before it, which we consistently split out for organisation reasons. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 13:45, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Toss me in for '''Option 3''' of an entirely new continuity given how ''different'' the story details has been laid out when compared to the original 2007 film-verse and then later what's set by ''Bumblebee''. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:38, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Voting for '''option #2'''. While we would still have the outlier of TF:TAM 86 being a theatrically released movie in the G1 continuity family, I see no reason why "movie continuity family" would not only include transmedia spinoffs from feature films (''Reign of Starscream'', toy redeco Tech Specs, etc. etc.) but also feature films which are belonging different timelines and story universes. This would also free us from having to reconcile Movie 'Bee's history -- did he come to Earth in the 1940s or the 1980s? -- and put to bed *that* long running argument about whether the Bay-directed films were the same universe as BB and RotB or not -- now they don't have to be! [[User:Banpei the Mini-Con|Banpei the Mini-Con]] ([[User talk:Banpei the Mini-Con|talk]]) 14:58, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Having seen the movie, I think '''#3''' is our cleanest option. Between the Lorenzo interview and, without going into spoilers, the numerous discrepencies there are, I don't think we can get away with suiting it out ala G1. The time may come when we do that for Bumblebee onwards but as far as One goes, I say we treat it as a new continuity. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 19:53, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:'''#3'''. #2 was close for me, but TFOne (having seen the movie) is so artistically different from the live action movies, it feels pointless to keep it on the same page like G1/IDW. Ironically, we could give Bayverse/BB&ROTB the G1/IDW treatment. [[User:Boingus|--Boingus]] ([[User talk:Boingus|talk]]) 23:23, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:I think 3 is where I'm leaning after seeing the film. Keeping this as "movie continuity" simply because it was released theatrically doesn't make sense to me. We wouldn't do that with a new comic or show because it was the same medium, why do it for a movie just because of that? Yes There is some CNA here to the live action films, but it could be argued it has just as much pulled from G1. One is it's own thing in the end. Trying to fit it into the live action movie box just doesn't feel right in this case.--[[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 05:47, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:I vote for '''Option 3''' for all the reasons previously mentioned as well as size concerns. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:29, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:'''Option 3''', I believe the movie was clearly made with a new continuity in mind.-[[User:TitaniumToughGuy|TitaniumToughGuy]] ([[User talk:TitaniumToughGuy|talk]]) 09:38, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
===CHECKPOINT (2024/09/16)===
*Votes for Option 1: 1 (96megatron)
*Votes for Option 2: 3 (GrievousPrime, Archforce, Banpei the Mini-Con)
*Votes for Option 3: 15 (Locoman, AkibaSilver, MrRald, PublicCrown, MahXyme, Saix, Broadside, Jalaguy, Lonegamer, Ezim93, Boingus, ParadoxFactor, Khajidha, TitaniumToughGuy, CyberLink420)
As it stands, current consensus is pretty overwhelmingly in favor of Option 3 by a ratio of 5:1. I know it's only been a day, but barring a sudden swell of support for #2, it might be prudent to start switching everything over. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 10:20, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
: I'm reluctant to make actual changes until the movie hits wide release and the general public can make informed input. Give it a few more days. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 10:40, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::::This. Let people... SEE the movie before we make important decisions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:49, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::::Right. We can wait a few days for more than a small handful of people to see this and base their decision on, you know, '''''the actual movie''''' rather than whatever someone who had something to do with it says ''this'' week, which historically has waffled between "vague" and "contradictory". Hell, even ''now'' some of them are still being all "well maybe it is and maybe it isn't" and frankly I have no faith they won't ride that ambiguity for a long time like they've done since ''Bumblebee''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:49, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::I've said ever since Keegan Michael Key tweeted as much that One should be treated as a separate continuity. '''Option 3''' for sure. {{unsigned|jmcdavid}}
:'''Option 3'''. I've seen the movie and other users have covered why that seems like the best choice. It feels as different from the previous movies as Prime is from Animated, or Earthspark from Sunbow (which, despite directly homaging/referencing Sunbow, Earthspark is considered separate from). [[User:Ashendawn|Ashendawn]] ([[User talk:Ashendawn|talk]]) 18:01, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::I vote '''Option 2'''. There seems to be a large focus on whether or not the film fits in continuity with the prior films, but considering how little they fit with each other that feels irrelevant to me. The creators have been rather unclear whether this film should be considered separate from the ongoing live-action series in terms of production, just in terms of universe. If we had a sense this was the springboard for an entirely separate animated film series I'd say Option 3, but it feels unwarranted at this time. [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 20:29, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:I'm voting '''Option 3'''; much of my reasons are the same as others have stated above, and I do apologise for opening this bags of worms on the ''One'' talk page. It's not that I don't understand why some people are opposed to creating a new set if pages, but for argument's sake, if ''One'' gets one or more sequels, it would likely draw further away from the established live-action films and become its own continuity/franchise (though that's more of a what-if right now). Overall, I personally think that separating live-action films and animated ones into their own continuities is a reasonable option, and I believe that ''One'' has proven itself a different entity. [[User:Prime Temple|Prime Temple]] ([[User talk:Prime Temple|talk]]) 06:26, 17 September 2024 (EDT)

::Also '''Option 3''' . In tone, content, continuity, style, story, just feels too different to me from the Michael Bay and other films, really only having the method of release in common. It feels more separate from the other movies than even Cyberverse from G1, and that’s happily separate. —[[User:MissDaria|MissDaria]] ([[User talk:MissDaria|talk]]) 10:05, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:Screen Rant: I vote for '''Option 1''' This came out from ScreenRant today. Is Transformers One considered a prequel to the recent movies of Bumblebee and Rise of the Beast or the original live-action film starting in 2007? Or is it something completely, entirely new? ... Lorenzo di Bonaventura: "It obviously exists beforehand. I think we figured it out. It was like 300 million years before the first Michael Bay movie, so if that's a prequel, that's a prequel. But we're really following the lore about where it starts, and so we really just think about it as the beginning of the story. The origin, yes, but literally the beginning of the thing that we've all come to appreciate." https://screenrant.com/transformers-one-lorenzo-di-bonaventura-and-josh-cooley-interview/ [[User:96megatron|96megatron]] ([[User talk:96megatron|talk]]) 10:56, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
::Voting for '''Option 2'''. If adding stuff like Aligned backstory influence disqualifies One from being movie, then there could be an argument for splitting IDW characters off from the G1 pages because of things like the absence of the traditional "Ark crashes on Earth, everyone wakes up 4 million years later" backstory, and no amount of Owning The Bayverse (which I can't help but feel some of the desire to split One off is fueled by) is worth opening that can of worms. [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 12:31, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:Voting '''Option 3''', y'all gotta stop taking Lorenzo's word as gospel especially over the actual creatives behind these movies. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 14:25, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:Voting '''Option 3''', Lorenzo has made multiple contradictory statements in the past, some having been outright proven wrong. He doesn't seem like he's involved enough in the productions in order to make concrete statements about their continuity, nor is he a representative of Hasbro. [[User:TheDarkMage10218|TheDarkMage10218]] ([[User talk:TheDarkMage10218|talk]]) 19:30, 17 September 2024 (CST)
:: While I would agree that splitting it out makes the most sense as I currently see it, lets also not pretend the wiki is under some thrall to the evil boogeyman known as "the fandoms view of Lorenzo" and ignore that multiple creatives for all the movies people like to argue are definitely not Bayverse for realsies have made contradictory statements about whether or not the films are all supposed to be prequels / sequels, and its because [https://x.com/SJ_Broadside/status/1836084548020338988 they are not ubernerds who care about whether this movie perfectly follows the backstory of one from nearly 2 decades ago]. Just personally, I am seeing this like the High Moon Games advertising themselves as a G1 prequel back in the day - for people not like us, all of Transformers falls into the same vague umbrella, so sure, it can be a "prequel" to the rest of the movies, in the same way Optimus Prime is Optimus Prime is Optimus Prime to Hasbro, no matter whether he be G1, Movie, Animated, or Armada. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 04:34, 18 September 2024 (EDT)
:::Haven't seen the movie yet, but I strongly agree with that comment. This wiki has never been governed by author intent, and particularly regarding the live-action movies there are too many authors giving too much contradictory intent about contradictory material. ''We'' made up the concept of a "continuity family," that concept ''we made up'' is now old enough for a driver's license, we will have to continue making our own judgments about which stories mesh with what. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:45, 18 September 2024 (EDT)
:::: All this, and as to that last point: "continuity family" ''has literally '''NEVER''' meant "all fits into one actual internal timeline"''. There's a reason we used the word "family". We treat the totally-irreconcilable-timelines-having G1 cartoon and G1 comic as part of the same "family" (and BW as well), because of an ''external'' concept of them being "related" to each other by dint of the how and who and why of their creations. And this has held true as we moved forward, the above-mentioned High Moon statements being a very good example. The sheer squirreliness of multiple creatives -and the films themselves- over the past half-decade or so over "continuity" (and let's just dismiss out of hand what a ''voice actor'' thinks, okay), doesn't exactly make me think that the future won't see more squirreliness in whatever comes next. "The existing character pages are too big already" is a more convincing argument for a full-on split, and we got subpages/suites for that problem. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:17, 18 September 2024 (EDT)
::::: You all make great points; I amend my reasoning for my choice of Option 3: One deviates stylistically and tonally from the live-action movies, and it isn't even live-action to begin with. [[User:TheDarkMage10218|TheDarkMage10218]] ([[User talk:TheDarkMage10218|talk]]) 22:37, 18 September 2024 (EDT)
:Having seen the movie, I believe '''Option 3''' is the best. It is irreconcilable with the Bay films on several levels (more so than ROTB/Bumblebee). It is extremely aesthetically and tonally different from them as well. I feel that grouping One with the rest of the live-action films simply because they share the same release venue would be akin to grouping Prime and G1. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 15:22, 18 September 2024 (EDT)

:Just got out of the advanced screening, I think '''Option 3''' would be the best option. There's a few details that clash with the prior films in many regards. It has an overall different feel. --[[User:GordonShumway8690|GordonShumway8690]] ([[User talk:GordonShumway8690|talk]]) 22:10, 18 September 2024 (EDT)

:Just saw the movie, and I vote '''Option 3'''. This movie ''cannot'' be in the same continuity as the other films, so Option 3 would be our safest bet. [[User:Decepticon Stryker|Decepticon Stryker]] ([[User talk:Decepticon Stryker|talk]]) 01:06, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

:Another vote by a movie watcher for '''Option 3.''' Several events in the third act counter what has happened in Bay's films. For the ease of the wiki having it stay separated is the best way to prevent headaches and finger pointing by having it all on the same page. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] ([[User talk:Singularity|talk]]) 12:21, 19 September 2024 (EDT)
:Does my vote count when I watch it tomorrow? [[User:JasenomousTF|JasenomousTF]] ([[User talk:JasenomousTF|talk]]) 17:27, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

:Saw the film yesterday, only delayed a response because I didn't think I could come up with any unique arguments. But a vote is a vote, and mine is '''Option 3'''. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] ([[User talk:Bobpiecheese|talk]]) 19:32, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

:Count me among the other votes for '''Option 3'''. After seeing the movie, there really is no possible way to finagle it into the pre-existing Movie continuity, even in an Aligned Continuity "works-if-you-squint" manner. It's absolutely its own thing by the definitions the Wiki uses to separate continuities from one another. [[User:SlimerJoel|SlimerJoel]] ([[User talk:SlimerJoel|talk]]) 19:42, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

Just got back from seeing the movie, giving a vote for '''Option 3'''. The film is significantly different in tone, lore, designs, characterization, and story beats from bayverse. Arguably closer to aligned or idw1 [[User:Arren1234|Arren]] ([[User talk:Arren1234|talk]]) 21:31, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

:Having just seen the film, it is thoroughly '''Option 3'''. There isn't a single link in play between this and the live action films, not even in design or animation language. Hell, you could make a vastly stronger argument for it being a prequel to the Aligned continuity than the films. Just from an ease of use angle, I also don't think people who are coming in for Transformers One info are going to want to dig through years of irrelevant existing live action film content in the first place. [[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 02:16, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

:Just seen the film. Definitely '''Option 3'''. I was just thinking it would be easier too for newcomers looking for info to not have to encounter a mainpic and write-up that describes a totally different person up top. [[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 09:10, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

Coming out of the movie, I was '''Option 2'''. Definitely separate from the live action films, but I think it would be convenient to have all the films (that aren’t extended episodes of a pre-existing cartoon) all under the same umbrella. I do understand the arguments that it’s really different in tone and content from the other films, but so is 2005 IDW to G1. Maybe do a suite page that includes everything One related? Like, Optimus Prime (Movie) Main/Games/Toys/One? [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 20:34, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
:Suiting is only done in instances where a single subject, such as a specific piece of media or a toy section, gets ''so'' big that it starts to overwhelm the page, something that absolutely does not apply to ''One'' yet. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:39, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
::Correct me if I’m wrong, but was Shattered Glass Unicron really overwhelming the rest of the page on its own? Or RID2001 Universe Optimus Prime? I figured they were just really distinct and separate from all the ether appearances. Unless there’s something I’m not completely understanding about the suiteing rules (which I admit is entirely possible), I think that hypothetically making a One suite for all the big main characters and their toys would be convenient. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 11:12, 21 September 2024 (EDT)
:::Shattered Glass Unicron and the female, yellow 2003 Universe RID2001 Optimus Prime pages also have arguments of merging them with the larger articles they were originally spun off from. [[User:Shockwave2018|Shockwave2018]] ([[User talk:Shockwave2018|talk]]) 21:07, 23 September 2024 (GMT-3)

'''Option 3'''. After having watched the movie, it's substantially different so as to be disconnected from the live action movies, and I don't like the precedence it sets to lump every movie together from here on out, especially if this one's success inspires future free-standing Transformers movies down the line. I understand it with the live-action movies, because the line was very blurry, but it's pretty obvious that this one is separate. [[User:Thunderwolf|Thunderwolf]] ([[User talk:Thunderwolf|talk]]) 21:10, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

'''Option 3'''. I just got back from watching the movie, and it's the option that makes the most sense. There's just too much to connect it to the previous films, and while I do see where Option 2 is coming from I don't even think there's enough in common for it to be in the same continuity family (and I don't think its a good idea to throw every single movie that we're unsure about into the the 2007 family imo). Also taking into account the contradictory statements regarding the movie from producers and higher-ups, I think the simplest and most user-friendly option is to put everything into one new continuity family. If something changes so be it, but based on what we have 3 is the best choice. [[User:Hyperious|Hyperious]] ([[User talk:Hyperious|talk]]) 18:19, 21 September 2024 (EDT)

:Might as well throw my vote for '''Option 3''' in too. Even if we keep having this conversation over every new movie they release, it's already very clear that the best ''for wiki purposes'' is to split One from the rest. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 20:23, 21 September 2024 (EDT)
I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't quite feel right casting a vote here, but I do have one question: to those in favor of option 2, what do you feel makes Transformers One in the same family as the live-action movies, that didn't make Earthspark in the same family as Cyberverse? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 03:39, 24 September 2024 (EDT)
: The fact that Cyberverse and Earthspark are sold as entirely separate franchises, whereas this is just the new movie. [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 07:19, 24 September 2024 (EDT)
::''All'' of the Paramount TF movies have had their own separate franchises. Heck, even the 2010 Movieverse toyline between ROTF and DOTM was its own franchise and it didn't even have a movie. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:51, 24 September 2024 (EDT)

We've clearly long since moved forward with this but just for posterity now that I've finally made it out to the theater, '''Option 3''' does indeed strike me as the right call. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:24, 29 September 2024 (EDT)
:I second what Azimuth said, now. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 18:29, 2 October 2024 (EDT)

== Privacy Policy ==

It occurred to me recently that the Privacy Policy has not been adopted though it has been over fifteen years since it was originally written. I wrote a couple of things in its talk page but ultimately got no response. I then contacted abates on what to do next, he told me I could write up a new intro in the talk page. I did, and it hasn't had a response. The policy is linked to at the bottom of every page on the wiki, so if we could get some activity on its talk page, I'd appreciate it. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 20:41, 6 November 2024 (EST)

==The Thirteen and the other conversation we've been waiting for==

Over the last few years, the Thirteen have played a major role in multiple ''Transformers'' stories. However, this prominence—combined with Hasbro's increasingly loose approach their in-universe lore—has also led to increasingly divergent portrayals of the group and its individual members.

Around 2015, we took the step of consolidating all the different incarnations of the Thirteen on one page for each, with the rationale that the characters were former [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]], and mostly shared similar backstories and personalities between incarnations. However, even at the time, this was not a completely ideal comporomise. Most notably, the various [[Alpha Trion (disambiguation)|Alpha Trion]]s were not consolidated into one, partly due to length and partly because the existence of his [[Alpha Trion (SG)|murderously insane evil counterpart]] represented a massive contradiction to the entire notion.

However, over the years, multiple authors have drastically reinterpreted the Thirteen and their story. The role of "Thirteenth Prime" has been filled by multiple contradictory characters—[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]], [[Zeta Prime (One)|Zeta Prime]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]—and individual depictions of the Primes themselves have grown increasingly divergent. "Shattered Glass" Alpha Trion is no longer the outlier, but rather an increasing trend: for instance, ''Transformers One'' features a completely heroic Megatronus who never becomes The Fallen, a Liege Maximo that looks nothing like Loki, and an incarnation of Nexus Prime that does not seem to be a combiner. With these data points in mind—and the potential for even further divergence in the coming years—I and several other editors feel that it may be time to reorganize our Thirteen coverage, splitting them out into individual [[continuity family]]-based incarnations the way we would for stock characters like [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)|Bumblebee]], etc.

However, if we do adopt this approach, some further problems would need to be solved.

* '''How do we handle toys?''' With a few exceptions like ''Revenge of the Fallen'' The Fallen, the toys of the Thirteen are clearly meant to be somewhat continuity-agnostic. ''Age of the Primes'' Solus Prime is about as faithful to her depiction in ''The Covenant of Primus'' as it is to ''One'' or any of the IDW comics in which she appears. Even if we count them as "repurposes" across multiple pages, the format of the wiki means they'd have to be based ''somewhere''...

* '''FunPub stuff''': The Vector Prime of "Ask Vector Prime" is clearly meant to be a version of the same Vector Prime who appeared in the ''Cybertron'' cartoon, but at the same time makes reference to off-camera events, such as a time when he and the Thirteen lived in Ancient Greece—would we make a separate "FunPub" page for the Thirteen, or try and work these events onto Unicron Trilogy pages when necessary? Other similar problems exist: "[[Coalescence]]" is a story that features a movie universe Fallen jumping into the world of ''Shattered Glass'', and AVP established that "The Evil One" of GoBots fame, is another alternate-universe incarnation of The Fallen/Megatronus.

Feedback on this proposal is appreciated! [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:50, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:From my point of view, I think as it stands right now my thoughts on the Thirteenth Prime stuff is that I absolutely understand the concerns, but for me personally it kind of falls into the same view as like, IDW Primus being Rung, which I think our current model handles fairly well. For the other Primes, I'm tempted to say that like...as it stands, there's about as much divergence there as like, Unicron as he's depicted in The Last Knight (not really shown to be aggressive beyond being called Cybertron's enemy), and as it stands right now, I don't think that's enough to say there should be a full-on split, but I do think it's worth thinking about future-proofing. And I suppose my main concern right now about pushing ahead too soon is in the event there's some fiction accompanying the Age of the Primes stuff; certainly, the fact that we're getting a toy of the Fallen with the Megatronus name but with the original Dreamwave design does make me hesitant that there might be some further consolidation of disparate elements; and I remember that last time we did this in the early 2010s was that we figured the idea of the Aligned Primes not having any connections to the others was going to be the standard going forward, which turned out not to be the case, and I figure it might be worth considering if something like that happens again. But! I am open to ideas of how to implement this if we do go for it; I think the suite options we have for Primus and Unicron work perfectly fine if we go for something like that. Just figure it's worth considering the stuff I've brought up here first. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:35, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Right now, I'm leaning toward the camp of not splitting them out for all the reasons you've given. I look at our current situation and, while not perfect, I feel that things can be tidied up simply with some "Conceptual history" sections for the pages that need them. The aforementioned Vector Prime is a particular case not just for everything stated about him above, but because [[Vector Prime: In the Beginning|his very first Fub Pub appearance]] written by [[Forest Lee]] leans so heavily far into the multiversal aspect of the character that it doesn't treat him like he is a native to the Cybertron cartoon universe but rather to the whole multiverse itself. Similarly, Nexus Prime was also continuity-agnostic by his very nature from the ground up. The safest solution for splitting him out would be to classify his Fun Pub incarnation under "(Timelines)" (the previous "(Classics)" tag we had him under was bleh), but that's typically a last-resort tag we have tried to avoid in the past.
::Regarding The Fallen, while he does tend to be evil in a majority of his depictions, and has had a few outlier cases where he either didn't go bad at all (TF One) or was the victim of other's manipulations (Covenant), it's implied that the majority of those evil versions weren't always evil from the start, and only went bad later. The TF One version of Megatronus never turned to the dark side, but one could argue that he was murdered before he ever would have gotten the chance to. ;-)
::Regarding the Thirteenth Prime and various conflicting the depictions, we solved that issue by simply creating the "[[Thirteenth Prime]]" article to explain everything there.
::You mention the situation with Alpha Trion, and I get it. The biggest reasons for simply not merging all of his pages together were that A) he was never originally meant to be one of the Thirteen since the original Dreamwave-based lore for the Thirteen had them all die before A3 was even born, and B) his Shattered Glass self. I used to be a proponent for keeping all of his versions separate because of A, but in the time since then we've had more and more depictions of him as a 13er who were all still pretty much the same as his traditional pre-Aligned depictions. If we were to merge all of his versions together, a "Conceptual history" section for him could explain the whole "Sometimes he's a 13er, sometimes he's not" situation.
::BUT, there still remains his SG version, which I wouldn't feel comfortable putting on the same page as his other versions. Reaching back to the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3F original discussion] about how to handle the SG characters, I find myself still agreeing with those like Steve-o who pointed out how awkward "'''Continuity X''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Continuity Y''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of different but still funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Shattered Glass''': Bumblebee is hardcore evil and wants to kill you for no particular reason. '''Continuity Z''': Bumblebee loves humans and does yet another set of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe." reads as a page. But, there is one thing we have nowadays that we did not have back when that original discussion was held and makes me wonder how differently the conversation might have gone if they had existed back then: Subpages. Looking at our [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] articles, I find it to be a very fair and workable compromise that their respective SG versions are placed not on their respective main pages but as subpages for each. Doing the same for SG Alpha Trion were we to merge all of the non-SG A3's together could be a valid solution too, in my eyes. Unlike others, I don't see subpages as an annoying evil that much be dealt with and eliminated, but as a handy tool to work around tricky situations like this.
::Had they even existed back then, it's very possible that ALL SG characters may have ended up on subpages for their positive polarity counterparts instead of separate pages entirely. And since then, SG has grown to expand not just beyond the original Fun Pub SG G1 continuity but to other non-G1 SG continuities, like for the Movies, Animated, and Cybertron, forcing us to create such unsightly tags as "(SG Movie)", "(SG Animated)", and "(SG Cybertron)", when subpages could have prevented that with "(Movie)/Shattered Glass" or "(Animated)/Shattered Glass" and so on.
::But, I'm getting off topic. Backing up to the Thirteen, I'm for keeping the Thirteen together. In addition to what all I've said above, the Age of the Primes toys seem to be treating them as the standard or definitive versions of the Thirteen that apply for every version/universe/continuity, pulling from all across the board rather than sticking to a single depicted version of them. Prima has his Aligned body but the Sunbow Powerful Robot's head. The Fallen is just the Dreamwave design but with Aligned Megatronus's weapons from the books and RID 2015 cartoon. Micronus is likely to be based on his RID 2015 design which was itself based on the Aligned design. The statue group artwork makes Amalgamous looks more like his TF One design than his Aligned design. Vector Prime is just straight-up Cybertron Vector Prime. And Star Convoy was never one of the Thirteen in any version before now. Yet, all these disparately-sourced designs are being treated as if they all belong to the same group no matter what continuity they come from. So keeping them together as they are would just make it easier for us to not have to split hairs over which versions of which 13ers these are supposed to be when the answer would simply be "all of the above" (and we wouldn't have to put multiple entries of the same toy on, like, six or seven different characters' pages that would have to maintained equally across all of those pages). This model makes this particular version of the group feel inherently multiversal, with each member either originating from a different universe as each other, or being a multiversal hybrids comprised of different aspects of different versions of them from across the dimensions, as if Hasbro is trying to say that the AOTP versions represent *every* version of the Thirteen (minus Star Optimus, of course, since we know he's not a member in every version of this group). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:01, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::As somebody who's pushed for this split for a long time, I'm obviously all for it. I feel we can easily determine where the toys go based on their main inspirations (Fallen is G1 Dreamwave, Micronus is Aligned RID, etc) are or just make the links go to the G1 pages (since G1 is effectively the wastebasket taxon of this franchise anyway). For the FunPub stuff, we can either do it Sideways style or just do it like we do for Kre-O and ancillary stuff: place them based on the characterization/design used by the work. Multiversal Vector Prime is pretty much just Cybertron Vector Prime (and the TransTech incarnation from the last portion of AVP can be split out).
:::I am pretty much opposed to "subpages" because that is just duplicating the parentheses system we already have just for the sake of pedantry. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:03, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::Fully agree with both Escargon and Sabrblade, and their reasoning. I am biased against splits pretty much as a matter of cause, but the Thirteen ''in particular'' have for most of their history (including now, in the continuity-agnostic ''Age of the Primes!)'' been defined by their multiversal nature. I just don't think a split would be helpful. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 16:05, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::So we need to wait five years of more non-multiversal stories to have this discussion again? That doesn't make sense. The COP version of the Thirteen weren't characterized as singularities in the first place, regardless; only FunPub cared about that aspect (and not even with the usual lineup we have now) and they tossed it because they realized it was an unworkable concept in this franchise and it's unlikely to ever get resurrected. It's been nearly a decade since the Shroud (the concept only existed from 2009-2015). You bring up AOTP but toylines clearly don't and never thought about those characters in terms of our organizational schema. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:19, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I think we can probably leave the most of the old content together, since it might be a mess to split them apart and much of that content is based on the Covenant mythos anyway. I feel new iterations of the Thirteen (post-POTP?) should get their own pages, like ''Earthspark'' Quintus and the ''One'' Primes (particularly Megatronus since he's quite different). Though I suppose that begs the question of what to use in the parentheses for their current pages... —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 13:10, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::How much of it is actually sticking to the Covenant? IDW1 had them be regular guys and some pre-Covenant stuff (notably Megatronus/Fallen) is more prominent for the character and not really compatible. Other Aligned stuff has also influenced other "continuity families", but we're not merging those articles, so I don't really see why this is different regarding the Thirteen. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:49, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I’m against splitting pages, mostly because The Thirteen haven’t had enough drastic and unique depictions of them to stop “breaking the rules” for them and give them split pages.
::> The Thirteen haven’t followed the traditional convention of “every character gets a new page for that universe’s depiction”, mostly because of the whole multiversal singularity issue. Now while that concept isn’t used in fiction anymore, ''Age of the Primes'' seems to lean towards having a standard, continuity-agnostic depiction of the Thirteen from which future teams can use as the foundation of their depictions.
::> Escargon and Sabrblade make some good points regarding subpages, particularly with the example of the standard '''“Primus = God”''' and '''Rung (G1)''' incarnations. Rung is a distinct and unique take on the Primus character whose backstory is incompatible with virtually every other Primus incarnation, so placing him on the same page as the Primus of the Marvel Comics, or Cybertron, or the Aligned continuity, wouldn’t seem right.
::> ''The Covenant of Primus'' has been the foundation of every depiction of the Thirteen since it was released. Certain things might be modified, such as the 2005 IDW’s take on them, but even those Primes still follow certain story beats: Megatronus kills Solus, Liege Maximo is a manipulator, Prima’s role as the leader and his conflict with Megatronus, etc. ''One'' offers a depiction of the Thirteen who don’t enter a War of the Primes situation, but because we don’t really get any more information about them besides how they died, I wouldn’t say that they’re distinct enough or important enough to warrant their own pages.
::> Then there’s the fact that a lot of the Primes either have had very small roles or haven’t had any real importance to the franchise in several years: '''Micronus'''’s last big role was a few episodes in ''Robots in Disguise'' and a clever tie-in to the Microspace of the 2005 IDW universe. '''Onyx'''’s only big role was in the ''Covenant'', mostly thanks to '''[[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|this guy]]''' taking his place in another universe. Onyx has a few mentions in ''Cyberverse'', but I don’t think that alone should be the reason for splitting his page up. '''Nexus Prime''' and '''Vector Prime''' haven’t really done anything notable since the Shroud. '''Solus Prime''' has seen some prominence thanks to IDW's Caminus and ''Power of the Primes'', but those depictions again don’t stray too far from the ''Covenant''. '''Amalgamous Prime''' has had virtually no exploration as a character. The most we’ve gotten for him is a much easier-to-look-at design in ''One''.
::> Character-wise, story-wise… they’re all still heavily based on the ''Covenant''. Even '''Quintus Prime'''’s ''Earthspark'' depiction (with his more human-looking face) is based on his “Johnny Appleseed, made the Quintessons” lore established from the ''Covenant''. Now if we had a full group of the Thirteen from a Shattered Glass universe or had some “What-If?” incarnations of the characters that made them very different… splitting pages would make more sense to me.
::> A lot of the Thirteen have also maintained a consistent visual look to them since their introduction: all the Primes introduced in the Covenant have kept their look (Alchemist’s Lenses, Onyx’s face, Solus’ hair and color scheme), and every version of Megatronus seems to have a Decepticon insignia face, flames, and/or both. While ''One'' may have changed some color schemes (Liege Maximo missing his green), I don’t think just having a different color scheme and nothing else different warrants a new page.
::> I like the idea of conceptual history sections for now, and as I said on ''The Fallen''’s talk page, I think the beginning to his page needs a general rewrite from its “frozen in 2009” version. But until drastic new interpretations of those characters are created, if a member of the Thirteen has a single page… we should keep it as a single page --[[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 16:33, 7 December 2024 (EST)
: Splitting them would simply be a bigger headache. They're rather like Primus and Unicron where they're "bigger picture" characters (only this time around designed ''very specifically'' to '''''be''''' as such) and it's best to treat them as such, and really, there's not enough material to BOTHER splitting for most of them. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Since it's related to this subject, it should probably also be mentioned here that there have recently been two discussions happening on the talk page for [[The Fallen]]. One about changing that article's mainpic and the other about moving the page's name to Megatronus. As of now, nothing has come out of either discussion, but I feel the results of this a bigger discussion may have an effect on either of those two smaller ones. Speaking as one who is in favor of not splitting out the Thirteen, my thoughts on these two smaller topics are that a good compromise would be to keep the article at its current name since many Megatronuses still become The Fallen, but replace the mainpic with The Fallen's Age of the Primes toy packaging art (as it depicts him in his original first body from Dreamwave but armed with his now-signature weapons from Aligned media, serving as a sort of visual overview for the character's history), along with arewrite of his intro at the top of the page to be more all-encompassing, and the inclusion of a new "Conceptual history" section to give a proper overview of his different depictions. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm going to second this. I've mulled it over a little bit and while there is an argument to be made for splitting them out, I feel that 12 of the 13 primes really don't warrant it. They just haven't had as much an impact on the story and while it could be future proofing to split them, until we get prominent appearances from them I don't think it's a viable option right now. Megatronus is clearly the exception to this rule. I don't know if there's a clean solution to dealing with him at the moment. Part of me thinks maybe we should suite out the Movie and RiD versions since those are his too big appearences to date. At the bare minimum though I think we should use either his Dreamwave or Age of Primes art as the mainpic. It's his first body and I think it's influenced more designs than his RoTF design has. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 22:57, 7 December 2024 (EST)

== Maybe we should consider our stance on leaks... ==

I know they suck, but considering how they happen and most the fandom tends to lap it up (at least on TFW and seibertron),us just kind of vehemently refusing to admit they happen feels a bit wrong now. Maybe we should retroactively start acknowledging when the figures got leaked when they're officially confirmed, instead of just pretending they don't exist, for completionists sake. --[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 19:41, 7 December 2024 (EST)

:Sometimes Hasbro affiliate wiki. No. --[[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 20:05, 7 December 2024 (EST)
: Absogoddamnlutely not. This site does not exist to give leakers clout. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:46, 7 December 2024 (EST)
: That's a legal area best not crossed, so it's a bad idea. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 23:49, 7 December 2024 (EST)

Talk:Wheeljack (Movie)

2024-10-27T04:05:38Z

Lonegamer78: /* Now the possibility of renaming and splitting up */

Shouldn't the m in (movie) be capitalized? [[User:70.53.248.58|70.53.248.58]] 06:42, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:51, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: "I don't remember a Wheeljack mentioned, but sure.". During the fourth story mission, Car Shopping, in Autobots. When you first meet Bumblebee, he tells you (the player-character) to scan a bunch of Earth vehicles, and the player-character mentions Wheeljack gave him some upgrades allowing him to store multiple alternate forms.

Is it worth noting that, according to Ghosts of Yesterday, Bumblebee apparantly also has these upgrades? He quickly assumes a wheeled ATV early after landing to investigate Ghost One, then reverts back to his Protoform in mere minutes (or at least he considers it, and the narration never ever implies it's a lengthy or energy-consuming task.) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 07:05, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:I read that Wheeljack was originally going to be in the movie on Wikipedia. Is there any truth to that, or is someone yanking my chain? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 05:00, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== Que ==

Isn't this guy called Que now?
:[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]]
:No. Even if he does end up being called "Que" in the film, he'll still be Wheeljack, just like [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] and [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:28, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
::Can we get one of those "Hey dumbass, don't edit this if you are only going to add stupid rumors" notes to TRY to stop people from changing this to Que every few days? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:40, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

=="Que" is the worst name in all of Transformers==
I really want this to be noted, but his actual page probably isn't the right place. -[[User:LV|LV]] 15:47, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

You think Erector is better? [[Special:Contributions/10.176.65.91|10.176.65.91]] 03:41, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:INFINITELY better. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:55, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:YES. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 09:42, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
In my defense of one of my favorite autobots the name is actually supposed to be like Q from a James bond movie, I think it was live and let die.
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Age 11

==Name change==

The [[Movie timeline]] article seems to imply that 'Que' is the name Wheeljack took on after being destroyed and extensively rebuilt. Should this be mentioned in a note?

== Desmond Llewyln ==

Does anybody reminds him that he is much more like actor Desmond Llewyln?

are you sure that wheeljack is que? --[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 11:06, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

== Bumblebee film ==

Have we gotten any confirmation at all that he's supposed to show up aside from Travis Knight saying "maybe"? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:35, 3 October 2018 (EDT)

==Splitting Que and Wheeljack==
shouldn't we move ROTB Wheeljack's stuff to a new page just like we did for ROTB Mirage? --[[User:Dictionaryabot|Dictionaryabot]] 03:43, 7 june 2023 (EST)
:Going to push for this as well, if only for consistency's sake. Question is, what do we do about the Bumblebee guy? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:08, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
::I would argue splitting into a new section, but not a new page. If Galvatron the crazed upgrade of Megatron and Galvatron the primitive warlord can both live on Galvatron (G1), both Wheeljacks can live on a "live action movie" contnuity family. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 13:19, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
:::Except both Galvatrons look the same and ultimately have the same basic characterization. Que and the Wheeljack of ROTB are ultimately nothing alike; Que is more along the lines of classic inventor Wheeljack, while ROTB Wheeljack seems mainly to be a more general research type. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:37, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
::::I've been anticipating this and am mostly in favor of ROTB Wheeljack getting his own page, but keeping BB Wheeljack on the same page as DOTM Wheeljack/Que. The latter had that Movie Advanced toy that was as much influenced by G1 Wheeljack as BB Wheeljack's design is, so DOTM Que still has enough Wheeljack in him for the BB guy to stay. ROTB Wheeljack, however, is kind of a youngster in the movie, which neither the BB nor DOTM 'Jacks were. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:45, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
:::::With the franchise officially maintaining the line that this still a prequel, I think a split is absolutely warranted. I would lean towards keeping the Bee Movie guy with the ROTB guy, though - that feels less subjective to me than making calls based on what kind of off-screen merch characters had. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 05:47, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
::::::Steve Blum voiced BB Wheeljack like a middle-aged man, akin to how Chris Latta made G1 Wheeljack sound. ROTB Wheeljack sounds like he just graduated high school. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 12:10, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
:::::::Count me for another vote of "definitely split". On-screen they have basically nothing connecting them beyond the vaguest archetype of "smart guy" - not even the name! That said, I'd agree with keeping the Bumblebee prologue character on this page; Que has the explicit connection of "toys of him that look like G1 Wheeljack", which ROTB Wheeljack doesn't. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:22, 12 June 2023 (EDT)
::::::::Put me down in the "BeastJack goes, BeeJack stays" column as well. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:24, 12 June 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::Yeah I'm with this split decision aswell, the only thing associated with ROTB Wheeljack is him fixing things which is literally quoted once by Mirage, but he doesn't really scream scientist nor "brilliant mechanical engineer" unlike the original Wheeljack or even Que as the matter of fact. And the whole changing accents from normal generic American accent, to then Latino and then half-English/Scottish/Irish/German is absolutely inconsistent. He really is in my headcanon just Wheeljack Jr., the son of Wheeljack. -- [[User:Pandatee 01|Pandatee 01]] ([[User talk:Pandatee|talk]]) 12:35, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
::::::::::Even though ROTB and BB Wheeljack are portrayed fairly differently, the ROTB and BB movies still have tighter continuity between each other than ROTB has with the Bay movies. Also, as far as the movies are concerned, DOTM Wheeljack is named Que.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 09:36, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
I think we're jumping the gun here and not giving ROTB the proper amount of time it needs to give us more information on its incarnation of the character. The movie ''just'' came out and there's almost zero supporting fiction or official statements out there, but it may change soon. Maybe a motion comic showing how Wheeljack changed from BB to ROTB will be included as a DVD bonus, maybe Caple Jr will declare him as a separate character in the director's commentary, maybe a two-pack of Wheeljack toys or even a G1-inspired deco of one of the ROTB toys is just around the corner, and we'll have our definitive answear. All I'm saying is, it's worth waiting just a little bit longer to avoid regretting it later. If nothing of the sorts happens at least for the next few months, then I think it's fair game to make the split. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 10:29, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
:I think it's a bit late to be like "we should wait to see what happens" given we've already split out Mirage. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:57, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
::Maybe, maybe, maybe. We can merge back if needed. We shouldn't be relying on what ifs. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:58, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
:::Fair enough, just wanted to have that cleared out. Let's work with what we have for now, then. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 11:44, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
::::I think the ''Bumblebee'' Wheeljack and ROTB Wheeljack should be considered one and the same, at the very least, as ROTB is a direct sequel to BB. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 11:52, 19 June 2023 (EDT)

== Renaming and splitting ==

I know it’s too early to say anything but a future '''''Studio Series''''' listing was apparently Que if it’s released and it’s decided to rename this page as Que I think some of this should be split off into Wheeljack (Movie) mainly featuring info and images about the Wheeljack that’s G1 accurate. [[User:T9ol-Fun3e|T9ol-Fun3e]] ([[User talk:T9ol-Fun3e|talk]]) 20:29, 2 March 2024 (EST)
: No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:59, 3 March 2024 (EST)
::Elaborate? [[User:T9ol-Fun3e|T9ol-Fun3e]] ([[User talk:T9ol-Fun3e|talk]]) 17:22, 4 March 2024 (EST)
:::The Wheeljack/Que split has already been discussed to death, and we're not going to relitigate it less than a year after the last time, especially not based on a supposed leak. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:37, 4 March 2024 (EST)
::::I had no idea this was discussed before alright? Don't chew me up okay? I wasn't saying we do it right away alright. I was just saying to take that into account if it ever were to be a reality. That's all. [[User:T9ol-Fun3e|T9ol-Fun3e]] ([[User talk:T9ol-Fun3e|talk]]) 23:04, 4 March 2024 (EST)

== Now the possibility of renaming and splitting up ==

With the reveal at MCM Comic Con I think it's safe to assume that it can be discussed about renaming and splitting information here? [[User:T9ol-Fun3e|T9ol-Fun3e]] ([[User talk:T9ol-Fun3e|talk]]) 12:12, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
:Again, no. There's still enough reason to keep this page as it is and I don't think that's ever going to change. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 13:25, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
: sometimes characters go by more than one name jesus christ stop --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:54, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
::So it's okay Dino gets to be separate from Mirage? Based on what? [[User:T9ol-Fun3e|T9ol-Fun3e]] ([[User talk:T9ol-Fun3e|talk]]) 14:12, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
:::Because DOTM Dino and ROTB Mirage were conceptually and fundamentally conceived as entirely separate characters, just like ROTB Wheeljack was from both DOTM Que and BBM Wheeljack. The latter two, however, share the same origin story as incarnations of the original (G1) Wheeljack adapted to fit the movie they appear in. So no matter how different they may ''look'', they ''are'' supposed to be the same character. (it also doesn't matter if the movies are directly tied into each other or not, please don't bring that can of worms up too) -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 14:51, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
:Renaming the page "Que" is a possibility we could discuss given the consistency it would have with Dino's page, but splitting out BB Wheeljack from this page is '''absolutely unnecessary'''. Not just for all the reasons Fritz gave, but also because Que has already received toy and comic appearances that made him look more like G1 Wheeljack, with the comics even indicating that he underwent a reconstruction from his G1-based design to his Einstein skull design from DOTM, changing his name in the process a la "Bumblebee to Goldbug". And even with our having moved Dino's page to that name, we still acknowledge on his page that he was also named "Mirage" in many other appearances, and thus he is still considered ''*A*'' Mirage even though ROTB Mirage is a separate Mirage. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 15:53, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
::I thought the discussion had now a bullet in the head [User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] so why discuss any further? [[User:T9ol-Fun3e|T9ol-Fun3e]] ([[User talk:T9ol-Fun3e|talk]]) 16:13, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
::Besides Fritz and MSipher clearly hate me now. Why make it worse? [[User:T9ol-Fun3e|T9ol-Fun3e]] ([[User talk:T9ol-Fun3e|talk]]) 16:15, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
:::This is a collaborative project where people are going to disagree with you, sometimes in snarky tones. Please get thicker skin and stop self-victimizing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:19, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
::::"Snarky" "Self-victimizating" I just asked them a question and thought there was a reason for what I said and the moment I say it I'm treated like a felon. Especially by MSipher who I asked a question /help on his talk page and I got no response. Now everyone let's kill this conversation please? [[User:T9ol-Fun3e|T9ol-Fun3e]] ([[User talk:T9ol-Fun3e|talk]]) 16:34, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
:::::The issue is that you were the one who brought it back up when it's been discussed to death as seen by the discussion threads above your earlier March 2024 "Renaming and splitting" thread and this current thread on this Talk page. So to close out, no, we won't be discussing about renaming and splitting. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 00:05, 27 October 2024 (EDT)

Talk:Wheeljack (Movie)

2024-10-27T04:04:46Z

Lonegamer78:

Shouldn't the m in (movie) be capitalized? [[User:70.53.248.58|70.53.248.58]] 06:42, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:51, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: "I don't remember a Wheeljack mentioned, but sure.". During the fourth story mission, Car Shopping, in Autobots. When you first meet Bumblebee, he tells you (the player-character) to scan a bunch of Earth vehicles, and the player-character mentions Wheeljack gave him some upgrades allowing him to store multiple alternate forms.

Is it worth noting that, according to Ghosts of Yesterday, Bumblebee apparantly also has these upgrades? He quickly assumes a wheeled ATV early after landing to investigate Ghost One, then reverts back to his Protoform in mere minutes (or at least he considers it, and the narration never ever implies it's a lengthy or energy-consuming task.) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 07:05, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:I read that Wheeljack was originally going to be in the movie on Wikipedia. Is there any truth to that, or is someone yanking my chain? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 05:00, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== Que ==

Isn't this guy called Que now?
:[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]]
:No. Even if he does end up being called "Que" in the film, he'll still be Wheeljack, just like [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] and [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:28, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
::Can we get one of those "Hey dumbass, don't edit this if you are only going to add stupid rumors" notes to TRY to stop people from changing this to Que every few days? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:40, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

=="Que" is the worst name in all of Transformers==
I really want this to be noted, but his actual page probably isn't the right place. -[[User:LV|LV]] 15:47, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

You think Erector is better? [[Special:Contributions/10.176.65.91|10.176.65.91]] 03:41, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:INFINITELY better. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:55, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:YES. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 09:42, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
In my defense of one of my favorite autobots the name is actually supposed to be like Q from a James bond movie, I think it was live and let die.
jack
Age 11

==Name change==

The [[Movie timeline]] article seems to imply that 'Que' is the name Wheeljack took on after being destroyed and extensively rebuilt. Should this be mentioned in a note?

== Desmond Llewyln ==

Does anybody reminds him that he is much more like actor Desmond Llewyln?

are you sure that wheeljack is que? --[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 11:06, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

== Bumblebee film ==

Have we gotten any confirmation at all that he's supposed to show up aside from Travis Knight saying "maybe"? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:35, 3 October 2018 (EDT)

==Splitting Que and Wheeljack==
shouldn't we move ROTB Wheeljack's stuff to a new page just like we did for ROTB Mirage? --[[User:Dictionaryabot|Dictionaryabot]] 03:43, 7 june 2023 (EST)
:Going to push for this as well, if only for consistency's sake. Question is, what do we do about the Bumblebee guy? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:08, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
::I would argue splitting into a new section, but not a new page. If Galvatron the crazed upgrade of Megatron and Galvatron the primitive warlord can both live on Galvatron (G1), both Wheeljacks can live on a "live action movie" contnuity family. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 13:19, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
:::Except both Galvatrons look the same and ultimately have the same basic characterization. Que and the Wheeljack of ROTB are ultimately nothing alike; Que is more along the lines of classic inventor Wheeljack, while ROTB Wheeljack seems mainly to be a more general research type. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:37, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
::::I've been anticipating this and am mostly in favor of ROTB Wheeljack getting his own page, but keeping BB Wheeljack on the same page as DOTM Wheeljack/Que. The latter had that Movie Advanced toy that was as much influenced by G1 Wheeljack as BB Wheeljack's design is, so DOTM Que still has enough Wheeljack in him for the BB guy to stay. ROTB Wheeljack, however, is kind of a youngster in the movie, which neither the BB nor DOTM 'Jacks were. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:45, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
:::::With the franchise officially maintaining the line that this still a prequel, I think a split is absolutely warranted. I would lean towards keeping the Bee Movie guy with the ROTB guy, though - that feels less subjective to me than making calls based on what kind of off-screen merch characters had. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 05:47, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
::::::Steve Blum voiced BB Wheeljack like a middle-aged man, akin to how Chris Latta made G1 Wheeljack sound. ROTB Wheeljack sounds like he just graduated high school. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 12:10, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
:::::::Count me for another vote of "definitely split". On-screen they have basically nothing connecting them beyond the vaguest archetype of "smart guy" - not even the name! That said, I'd agree with keeping the Bumblebee prologue character on this page; Que has the explicit connection of "toys of him that look like G1 Wheeljack", which ROTB Wheeljack doesn't. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:22, 12 June 2023 (EDT)
::::::::Put me down in the "BeastJack goes, BeeJack stays" column as well. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:24, 12 June 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::Yeah I'm with this split decision aswell, the only thing associated with ROTB Wheeljack is him fixing things which is literally quoted once by Mirage, but he doesn't really scream scientist nor "brilliant mechanical engineer" unlike the original Wheeljack or even Que as the matter of fact. And the whole changing accents from normal generic American accent, to then Latino and then half-English/Scottish/Irish/German is absolutely inconsistent. He really is in my headcanon just Wheeljack Jr., the son of Wheeljack. -- [[User:Pandatee 01|Pandatee 01]] ([[User talk:Pandatee|talk]]) 12:35, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
::::::::::Even though ROTB and BB Wheeljack are portrayed fairly differently, the ROTB and BB movies still have tighter continuity between each other than ROTB has with the Bay movies. Also, as far as the movies are concerned, DOTM Wheeljack is named Que.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 09:36, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
I think we're jumping the gun here and not giving ROTB the proper amount of time it needs to give us more information on its incarnation of the character. The movie ''just'' came out and there's almost zero supporting fiction or official statements out there, but it may change soon. Maybe a motion comic showing how Wheeljack changed from BB to ROTB will be included as a DVD bonus, maybe Caple Jr will declare him as a separate character in the director's commentary, maybe a two-pack of Wheeljack toys or even a G1-inspired deco of one of the ROTB toys is just around the corner, and we'll have our definitive answear. All I'm saying is, it's worth waiting just a little bit longer to avoid regretting it later. If nothing of the sorts happens at least for the next few months, then I think it's fair game to make the split. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 10:29, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
:I think it's a bit late to be like "we should wait to see what happens" given we've already split out Mirage. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:57, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
::Maybe, maybe, maybe. We can merge back if needed. We shouldn't be relying on what ifs. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:58, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
:::Fair enough, just wanted to have that cleared out. Let's work with what we have for now, then. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 11:44, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
::::I think the ''Bumblebee'' Wheeljack and ROTB Wheeljack should be considered one and the same, at the very least, as ROTB is a direct sequel to BB. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 11:52, 19 June 2023 (EDT)

== Renaming and splitting ==

I know it’s too early to say anything but a future '''''Studio Series''''' listing was apparently Que if it’s released and it’s decided to rename this page as Que I think some of this should be split off into Wheeljack (Movie) mainly featuring info and images about the Wheeljack that’s G1 accurate. [[User:T9ol-Fun3e|T9ol-Fun3e]] ([[User talk:T9ol-Fun3e|talk]]) 20:29, 2 March 2024 (EST)
: No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:59, 3 March 2024 (EST)
::Elaborate? [[User:T9ol-Fun3e|T9ol-Fun3e]] ([[User talk:T9ol-Fun3e|talk]]) 17:22, 4 March 2024 (EST)
:::The Wheeljack/Que split has already been discussed to death, and we're not going to relitigate it less than a year after the last time, especially not based on a supposed leak. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:37, 4 March 2024 (EST)
::::I had no idea this was discussed before alright? Don't chew me up okay? I wasn't saying we do it right away alright. I was just saying to take that into account if it ever were to be a reality. That's all. [[User:T9ol-Fun3e|T9ol-Fun3e]] ([[User talk:T9ol-Fun3e|talk]]) 23:04, 4 March 2024 (EST)

== Now the possibility of renaming and splitting up ==

With the reveal at MCM Comic Con I think it's safe to assume that it can be discussed about renaming and splitting information here? [[User:T9ol-Fun3e|T9ol-Fun3e]] ([[User talk:T9ol-Fun3e|talk]]) 12:12, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
:Again, no. There's still enough reason to keep this page as it is and I don't think that's ever going to change. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 13:25, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
: sometimes characters go by more than one name jesus christ stop --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:54, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
::So it's okay Dino gets to be separate from Mirage? Based on what? [[User:T9ol-Fun3e|T9ol-Fun3e]] ([[User talk:T9ol-Fun3e|talk]]) 14:12, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
:::Because DOTM Dino and ROTB Mirage were conceptually and fundamentally conceived as entirely separate characters, just like ROTB Wheeljack was from both DOTM Que and BBM Wheeljack. The latter two, however, share the same origin story as incarnations of the original (G1) Wheeljack adapted to fit the movie they appear in. So no matter how different they may ''look'', they ''are'' supposed to be the same character. (it also doesn't matter if the movies are directly tied into each other or not, please don't bring that can of worms up too) -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 14:51, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
:Renaming the page "Que" is a possibility we could discuss given the consistency it would have with Dino's page, but splitting out BB Wheeljack from this page is '''absolutely unnecessary'''. Not just for all the reasons Fritz gave, but also because Que has already received toy and comic appearances that made him look more like G1 Wheeljack, with the comics even indicating that he underwent a reconstruction from his G1-based design to his Einstein skull design from DOTM, changing his name in the process a la "Bumblebee to Goldbug". And even with our having moved Dino's page to that name, we still acknowledge on his page that he was also named "Mirage" in many other appearances, and thus he is still considered ''*A*'' Mirage even though ROTB Mirage is a separate Mirage. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 15:53, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
::I thought the discussion had now a bullet in the head [User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] so why discuss any further? [[User:T9ol-Fun3e|T9ol-Fun3e]] ([[User talk:T9ol-Fun3e|talk]]) 16:13, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
::Besides Fritz and MSipher clearly hate me now. Why make it worse? [[User:T9ol-Fun3e|T9ol-Fun3e]] ([[User talk:T9ol-Fun3e|talk]]) 16:15, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
:::This is a collaborative project where people are going to disagree with you, sometimes in snarky tones. Please get thicker skin and stop self-victimizing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:19, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
::::"Snarky" "Self-victimizating" I just asked them a question and thought there was a reason for what I said and the moment I say it I'm treated like a felon. Especially by MSipher who I asked a question /help on his talk page and I got no response. Now everyone let's kill this conversation please? [[User:T9ol-Fun3e|T9ol-Fun3e]] ([[User talk:T9ol-Fun3e|talk]]) 16:34, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
:::::The issue is that you were the one who brought it back up when it's been discussed to death as seen by the discussion threads above your earlier March 2024 "Renaming and splitting" thread and this current thread on this Talk page. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 00:04, 27 October 2024 (EDT)

Talk:Generations Selects (toyline)

2024-10-05T01:57:14Z

Lonegamer78: /* Split */

==Split==
My biggest issue with a split is that HasTak treats the line as a single entity. Some of the Hasbro toys are sold in the Japanese market and the Takara toys are sold in the Western market. It's very different to Generations Japan where Takara didn't really know what they were doing with that set of toys until creating the Legends line. The brand-unification is also a big thing to think about too. Unlike the Japanese Generations line, all of the figures shared between the two markets are identical, even if the website listings like to give them different names and ID numbers. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 17:53, 14 February 2022 (EST)

:I ''really'' don't see the benefit of a split here, especially to a reader. It's not like the page is massive or unwieldy. All a split would do is introduce needless hoop-jumping for content that is incredibly similar because... pedantry? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:39, 14 February 2022 (EST)

:I see no reason for a split. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 20:50, 14 February 2022 (EST)
:Yeah, I don't see the point here? Both companies clearly consider both "toylines" to be the same. Generations Japan was split because it was part of a bunch of CHUG toylines on Takara's side and it was otherwise buried in the Hasbro toyline page that had entirely different coverage of toys. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:32, 14 February 2022 (EST)

:This is a very small page. Why is a split necessary? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 23:27, 14 February 2022 (EST)
::The Behold! Galvatron set is explicitly labelled Generations Selects on its box, and the box itself is in GS style. It should be included on this page. -{{unsigned|Repersonne|08:51, 1 October 2024 (EDT)}}

Talk:Burn Out (Diaclone)

2024-10-05T01:52:50Z

Lonegamer78: /* "(more on that in a bit)" [sic] */

==Gender==
Does Burn Out really go in the "Female Transformer" category? She's female, but she's a piloted mech with an AI, and is in no way an actual Transformer except in outward appearance. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 00:03, 19 June 2015 (EDT)

Nightbird is an AI and gets Female Transformer category. Should be listed under "Half-qualifiers" on list of Female Transformers and tagged Female Transformer on her page.
:Well Nightbird was upgraded with Cybertronian tech in ''Legends''. Burn Out is strictly an Earth mecha. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:30, 27 May 2016 (EDT)

Soooo... anyone notice that they mad Burn Out a [https://www.walmart.com/ip/Transformers-Legacy-Velocitron-Speedia-500-Collection-Deluxe-Diaclone-Universe-Burn-Out/941865971 guy in the product description?] Does this count towards anything, or...?
[[User:BaronXVI|BaronXVI]] ([[User talk:BaronXVI|talk]]) 10:32, 21 July 2022 (EDT)
:As much as any other editing flub in product copy for a character with an established gender, ie not much. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 10:42, 21 July 2022 (EDT)
::That's making me wonder if Road Rocket's established gender getting switched to female was a mistake or not now, hmm... [[User:BaronXVI|BaronXVI]] ([[User talk:BaronXVI|talk]]) 10:45, 21 July 2022 (EDT)
:::The fact that that mold was explicitly designed as female is a more likely reason for that switch. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:45, 21 July 2022 (EDT)

==Split out Cybertronians from Diaclone mecha==
Why is this on the Diaclone page anyway? We already had this thing with the Bug Bites and we ultimately came around to splitting it with a "see also" on the GoBot one. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:22, 22 July 2022 (EDT)
:Agreed. The intro for this article comes off as really silly trying to incorporate both interpretations and the characterizations here are much more different than, say, [[Knock Out (Prime)]] and [[Knock Out (G1)]]. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:19, 22 July 2022 (EDT)
::: Thirded. It was fine when it was just a few cute shout outs but now that Hasbro is actively mining Diaclone content on a constant basis we need to re-evaluate our approach. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 14:32, 22 July 2022 (EDT)
:::: I'm fine with that. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:21, 22 July 2022 (EDT)
:No, massive disagree, the split is actually just making two bad and repetitive pages instead of one good one. She's literally branded as "Diaclone Universe Burn Out", and the personality is the same. Bug Bite is *terrible* precedent, and Lift Ticket, her cohort, has unanimous negative sentiment on the discussion page. [[User:Sky Shadow|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow|talk]]) 13:14, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
::Is her personality the exact same? I mean it's not like either has much to go on in their original appearances, but the opening paragraphs seem different enough. As for Lift-Ticket's page, it was based only on what we had at the time, and all that we did have was the fact that he was getting a toy, since these things don't have bio information anymore. By all appearances "Diaclone Universe" simply means "Diaclone colors" rather than Diaclone itself, at least so far. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:34, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
:::Those "X Universe" labels ultimately just mean "based on this design/color scheme" (Twin Twist is clearly just the same Wrecker Autobot and not a suit piloted by a human) and "stubborn mecha suit" seems to me a different personality and conceit than "determined racer". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:39, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
::::...I mean, Diaclone Universe Twin Twist.... does come with a pilot...
::::And, really, frankly, "determined" vs "stubborn" does not... seem... at all incompatible. It seems more like one is directly influenced by the other, a mere thesaurus substitution of the same idea. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:18, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
:::::like... [https://twitter.com/damnyouwillis/status/1552373479684595714/photo/1] [[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:23, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
::::::Yes, but Twin Twist isn't a lifeless mecha. As for the bit Saix brings up, I think the more pertinent bit is the "racer" bit, which Timelines Burn-Out is decidedly not. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:21, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
:::::::I mean, RID Scourge isn't a racer, either, are we gonna give his Velocitron toy a new page? Saying a character, like, can't ... have a toy that features in a race if they weren't ever said to be in a race previously, saying that makes them too-different to be the same character... that... that does not seem sustainable. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:12, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
::::::::Fair enough, yes, I completely forgot about that angle. Still, you said it yourself above; this version of the character isn't a Transformer. She's an artificially intelligent mecha who very explicitly comes from a very far off corner of the multiverse. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:04, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
:::::::::The lore of all the Diaclone decos who got Masterpieces tends to lean in the direction of treating it all as G1 continuity family even when, in Spin-Out's case, he was literally a mecha who later got a spark. That's the one avenue where Diaclone stuff continues to get fiction more substantial than one-panel cameos and one-paragraph copy, and I'd argue a far stronger precedent than arguing for the isolated integrity of a dead-and-buried BotCon set. [[User:Sky Shadow|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow|talk]]) 04:19, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
:::::::::::I disagree; a comic with even a slight retail presence is far more substantial to me than a prose piece in a toy's packaging. And to be fair, Spin-Out is an outlier among these characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 08:01, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
::::::::::::We have like 30 Nebulon pages where there's a line in at the bottom of the intro paragraph that says "sometimes they're fleshy Nebulans, sometimes they're Cybertronians" to keep us from separating pages pointlessly, and I'm not sure why we don't do that here. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 08:32, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
::::::::::::::But they aren’t explicitly travelers from a non G1 dimension. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 08:54, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::but like Burnout's GS toy says she's literally from the "Diaclone Universe", so --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 10:39, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::s'pretty wild to say this Burnout can't be a traveler from another dimension in a toyline specifically about travelers from other dimensions, with indicators saying which universe they're from, and Burnout's says she's from the exact universe that the "other version" of the character is from --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 10:42, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
:"Is not a Transformer but rather a lifeless suit of armor that a human rides" is an origin like "Actually a Gobot" or "Shattered Glass" - it really can't be reconciled with other origins and normally should not be listed on the same page.
:What I find strange is that we already split the Lift-Tickets - but the actual talk page discussing that split was exclusively against splitting them, even though I side with having done it I am a bit surprised that it went ahead. Unless there was a discussion somewhere else?
:Hasbro is ''trying'' to smudge things together by saying "They're real Transformers now, from a universe named Diaclone" (just like they smudged together G1 and SG Flamewar, or G1 Slicer / SG Wheeljack). I think if we were to indulge in that smudging-together and Ignore All Standards for the sake of not having two near-identical short confusing pages, we would have to have the opening line specify "Burn-Out is a Diaclone mech (and occasional Autobot)". Hasbro is trying to bring her to life, we can play along if we feel like it, but shouldn't be running ahead of them. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:11, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
::The Lift-Ticket split only happened because Saix went and did it of his own accord. Same with his going ahead and [[Burn Out (G1)|splitting this page]] while the conversation is still going on.
::On a related note, we have [[Kuwagatrer]] and [[Zaptrap]] separate from each other due to the latter's extended profile distinguishing the two. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 11:26, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
:::In my eyes the split/merge debate boils down to a Watsonian perspective versus a Doylist one. I'm firmly in the latter camp; both BotCon Burn Out and Legacy Burn Out are literally just the Diaclone character, and then the Wreckers appearance is literally just a toy commercial for that existing decidedly-Diaclone toy! You obviously can't reconcile the mech portrayal and the individual one, but I personally don't think we should have to; multiple different contradictory interpretations of the same character should go on the same page, and we should let the reader chart the real-world evolution of the character. Frankly, the Autobot Lift-Ticket page as it stands is utterly laughable—"he's an Autobot". Like, what? At the very least, the Generations toys should be on both pages—and that speaks to a common problem with this wanton fragmentation, that we end up with redundant writeups on multiple pages that have to be maintained in tandem. To speak more generally, I also strongly disagreed with the Bug Bite split, and think the idea of "continuity transplants" as they're always called in the notes sections is a totally bunk thing the wiki made up and which only feels less and less useful as the franchise calcifies; Character X is Character X, regardless of what story they appear in, and I think by far the most salient argument for splits is simply that many pages would be too long otherwise. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 16:08, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
::::Fully agreed. Both Burn Outs are fundamentally the same thing of "we have characterised this particular Diaclone toy into a character named Burn Out who can appear in Transformers stories", what universe they originate in is irrelevant IMO. We keep the robotic and organic Targetmasters on the same pages because splitting them based on backstory would be stupid. Similarly, we merged all those G1 versions of RID01 characters because, ultimately, continuity families are an imaginary concept that exist to help organise things, not something we should be a slave to, to the point of splitting one White G1 Bumblebee Called Bug Bite from another White G1 Bumblebee Called Bug Bite on the technicality of whether they're from a Primax universe or whatever it is the GoBots cluster is called. If characters originating from GoBots and Diaclone universes were routinely appearing in Unicron Trilogy stories or movieverse stories or whatever, maybe I'd feel different, but for all practical purposes those franchises are basically attached to G1 at the hip in the same fashion as the Beast Wars franchise, and I don't think drawing lines between them and G1 really achieves anything other than needlessly fragmenting information about what are always going to be the Same Guy in the eyes of both Hasbro ''and'' any fan who is not already knee-deep in the wiki sauce. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:22, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
:::::michaelscottThankYou.gif --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 16:48, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
:::::This, basically. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:31, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
::::::The G1 continuity argument doesn’t even work when Timelines Burn Out and Lift Ticket showed up in a TransTech comic! Not to mention that Bug Bite's showed up in Cyberverse. I don’t care if the toy is listed on here because yeah whatever ultimately, that particular bit is right to do, but it’s ridiculous to me to do this for characters who have nothing in common in their fictional appearances. And we have hundreds of pages where we go “x is an x”, I don’t see why it’s a problem for this one. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:28, 28 July 2022 (EDT)

It should be noted that the labels "Diaclone Universe" / "G2 Universe" / etc. can't actually be taken to mean what they sound, frustrating as that may be. They're just Hasbro's marketing-speak for "this toy is based on a Diaclone origin" because evidently they don't feel like using the wording "Diaclone Series". If we took them literally, then ''Legacy'' Road Rocket would not be from the same world as G1 precursors, and ''Generations Selects'' Lift-Ticket should not be a mecha which has an Autobot insignia. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:27, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
: For what it's worth — my perspective is that Diaclone and GoBots ''are not continuity families''. If we covered Diaclone and GoBots as a whole then splitting them would make sense, but as-is I don't think they should be split under the continuity family rules because the universe-hopping versions aren't from "another continuity family", because they aren't from ANY continuity family. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:09, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
::But the ones who aren't universe jumping ones/who are normal Cybertronians ARE from a specific continuity family; there's now multiple Bug Bites who aren't G1. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:24, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
:::Sure, so the universe hoppers go on the page of the most relevant one. For Bug Bite that'd be the universe he jumped to (G1), for Burn Out it'd be first non-Diaclone incarnation (Legacy/IDW2/also G1). --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 20:09, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
::::I think that's far less reader friendly than just keeping them separate and having a note explaining how the GoBot/Diaclone is connected to the Transformer. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:24, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
:::::No, sorry, I disagree. Burn Out and Lift-Ticket (and Spinout) are the same principle as Road Rage and Tigertrack; they're "Transformers versions" of Diaclone decoes. It's just that some stories with the former decided to lean into the Diaclone origins, but that doesn't change what they are in concept. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 21:07, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
::::::Bug Bite probably also isn't the best analogy, when there would exist anyway a Bug Bite (Go-Bots) page from the comic, and at that point you already have two pages for your G1 cameos and your deep FunPub Go-Bots lore + the Scioli comic. Whereas Lift Ticket and Burn Out, as I argued on Lift Ticket's page, if you split them, there's a bare minimum of story that isn't benefited from splitting. Especially since Legacy is explicitly dealing with multiverse nonsense, and there's history of "Diaclone decos are actually G1 Transformers who turn out to be from Diaclone". Honestly, I think the easiest thing for the readers who aren't wiki editors is keep Lift Ticket and Burn-Out together. There just isn't enough surrounding story material for "Diaclone" to consider it its own 'franchise', imo. (There's also the argument that Transformers doesn't make "Diaclone" toys, only Transformers toys, but I don't want to get into that when Road Ranger was explicitly a Go-Bots guy just this year, no-one wants to go back to the Go-Bots wars. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 21:28, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
::::Thanks to [[Go-Bots (comic)|the Scioli comic]] ''GoBots'' has a continuity family now. Dump the dimension-hoppers there. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 22:18, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
::::: GoBots has also had a universal cluster name for years now: Gargent. And we equate universal clusters with continuity families, since that's what they were meant to be in the first place.
:::::Though, there is also the unique case of Stretch, a GoBot dimension-hopper who was given a backstory in Transformers fiction that made him originate from the world of Animated before first coming to the world of the GoBots cartoon. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:00, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
::::::Universal clusters are an in-universe concept analogous to the out-of-universe concept of continuity families, but they're not the same thing and it's still family we sort by, not cluster. And families are a made-up organisational concept, not something inflexible that we're a slave to. Just like the existence of a "Fornax" universal cluster doesn't stop us putting Kreons of G1 Optimus on G1 Optimus's page, the fact that one Burn Out is from "Cymond" and one is from "Primax" shouldn't oblige us to separate two toys that are fundamentally the same thing in the eyes of Hasbro, and in the eyes of all fans who aren't extremely deep in the sauce.
::::::And yes, you could say "well Jala are you saying we should also merge G1-ified versions of ''Prime'' characters onto the same articles as the ''Prime'' versions, and so on?" And my response would be "there is probably an argument that could be made for that, but I think in practice it would be unwieldy and cause a million individual arguments, so my current thinking would be to just treat characters from Diaclone and GoBots universes in this way, given that these two have been treated consistently within the Transformers brand as being G1-adjacent, rather than their own standalone things." [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 04:00, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:::::::Once again I stress to both you and Riptide above that I am ''not'' talking about the toys themselves. I'm talking about the fictional portrayals. Yes, in basic terms of toys, I don't disagree that Burn Out and Lift Ticket are "Transformers versions" of the Diaclone toys. But in the fiction, as originally depicted, they aren't "Transformers versions," they are literally the Diaclone mechas themselves. And Spin-Out is a complete opposite because his original bit of fiction has him as a Cybertronian with no connections to Diaclone! I don't get how to make that point any clearer. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:06, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
::::::::It's clear, we just think that's less important than having one good page instead of two bad ones that don't serve anything other than worshipping that particular point. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:15, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
::::::::I mean, Spin-Out being the opposite situation doesn't change the fact that he has one piece of fiction with him as a "natural-born" Transformer and one with him as a former Diaclone mech. Let's say that, I dunno, Beast Wars Uprising included... uh... [[Autocrusher]], but instead of being a Cybertronian he was a robot created by the Terran Confederacy with a human-created AI for a mind. We wouldn't split under those circumstances, right? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:28, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
::::::::::Well in that particular case it wouldn't matter because Autocrusher is a BW continuity character. I was the one who originally pushed the whole "we should merge the Nebulans with the robotic Targetmasters" thing back in 2014/2015, I've been around here forever. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:32, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:::::::::::I guess I'm not following. Are you arguing that we should split Spin-Out, or are you arguing that he shouldn't be split solely because the "he's originally an Autobot" story happened to come out before the "he's a former Diaclone" one? Because, either way, I disagree. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:36, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
::::::::::::No, Spin-Out is an entirely seperate situation to me because he only becomes a Transformer once he's in a Generation 1 universe by Vector Sigma. At that point he's no longer a mecha and that's satisfactory to me. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:39, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:::::::::::::So... if we got a new piece of fiction where the Diaclone Burn Out went to a G1 universe and got Transformer-ized by Vector Sigma, which page would she go on? Or would we merge them, even though there were now "just a Diaclone", "former Diaclone turned Transformer", AND "just a Transformer" versions? I think that distinction is unhelpful and nitpicky. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:43, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
::::::::::::::Well I don't think we should be making policy decisions based on a hypothetical. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:50, 29 July 2022 (EDT)

==Autobot Burnout or Diaburnout==
[https://hasbropulse.com/collections/new/products/transformers-masterpiece-mp-53-b-autobot-burn-out] HasbroPulse has this toy as "Autobot Burn Out." That feels like it's meant to be the English language name for this toy, and so I'd feel compelled to edit the MP entry accordingly, but maybe there's some reason not to. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 12:36, 11 August 2022 (EDT)
:Since it's a Takara product first, I'd suggest keeping it at the Japanese name, while noting that Hasbro Pulse's import of the toy refers to it as "Autobot Burn Out" in the text description, '''bolding''' the Pulse name for emphasis. After all, Pulse's own description emphasizes the Japanese-ness of the release, calling it "an authentic Takara Tomy product as sold in Japan" and "comes with original packaging and Japanese-language instructions." Said packaging will likely feature the Japanese name, "Dia Burn Out" (or however it'll be spelled) written in English. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 12:45, 11 August 2022 (EDT)

== Diaclone vs Timelines ==

While Burn Out and Lift-Ticket ''did'' originate in Timelines-branded media, on the whole we avoid using Timelines when there's another appropriate descriptor, treating Timelines as more of an "additions to other franchises" branding. That ''said'', I wouldn't be wholly opposed -- you could make good arguments for them being at G1, Diaclone, or (honestly) TransTech. I don't have strong feelings against them being at Diaclone, but I don't have strong feelings against them being at Timelines, either. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 13:42, 26 August 2022 (EDT)
:Given both the aforementioned continuity ambiguity of the original ''Timelines'' fiction and the fact that ''Diaclone'' is now an alive and strong external franchise TakaraTomy threatens to cross us over with any day now, I personally lean towards Timelines for the disambig. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:06, 26 August 2022 (EDT)
::I think Diaclone is fine and Timelines/TransTech are really ugly options. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:09, 26 August 2022 (EDT)
:::Every few years we have the discussion about the Timelines disambig and everyone always agrees that it sucks. As for TransTech, to the average reader it would probably imply that they are TransTech type transformers. Diaclone is fine[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:19, 26 August 2022 (EDT)
::::Okay now that we've scrounged up an "in bounds" depiction of the true original body everything else is approximating, Timelines would look pretty silly and I can live with Diaclone. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:58, 27 August 2022 (EDT)
: I'm on the Diaclone Disambiguation side. After all, it's not like Drag Strip and the other Animated Stunticons get Timelines disambiguations, despite appearing in a timelines comic first, so this fits with that. [[User:Tindalos|Tindalos]] ([[User talk:Tindalos|talk]]) 12:20, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

== "(more on that in a bit)" [sic] ==

I have repeatedly removed the illiterate, meaningless "(more on that in a bit)" drivel which appears in the Masterpiece Diaburnout section of this page and on others, but the insolent, arrogant M Sipher has repeatedly put it back. There are multiple other faults with the text of the aforementioned section, but I'm rather tired of this tedious illiterate's serial undoings. Illiterates cannot be helped. -[[User:Repersonne|Repersonne]] ([[User talk:Repersonne|talk]]) 13:43, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
:Frankly, it seems arrogant to me that you are resorting to name-calling just because a moderator undid your very minor edit. You were given a reason why your edit wasn't correct. Leave it alone and maybe focus on better ways to contribute to the wiki.-[[User:TitaniumToughGuy|TitaniumToughGuy]] ([[User talk:TitaniumToughGuy|talk]]) 15:46, 4 October 2024 (EDT)

Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (Music from the Motion Picture)

2024-10-04T06:29:37Z

Lonegamer78:

{{disambig2|the album of original music as written for the film|the Spotify playlist of throwback hip-hop/rap tracks|Transformers Rise of the Beats}}
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|caption= Primal: *pulls out a guitar and jams out* "BEAST WARRRRS"
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'''''Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (Music from the Motion Picture)''''' is an album featuring the original instrumental music composed by [[Jongnic Bontemps]] for the ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' sequel ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts]]''. The album covers just over an hour of the film's score, and features the return of franchise composer [[Steve Jablonsky]] in both writing and production capacities. Additionally, [[Vince DiCola|Vince DiCola's]] theme for [[Unicron]] is featured in both the film and album, marking the first time a live-action ''Transformers'' score has referenced material from [[The Transformers: The Movie|the animated movie]].

==Track Titles, Length & Description==
===Score===
# The Maximals<ref name='Maximals>This single was released to streaming services titled "The Maximals (from "Transformers: Rise of the Beasts" Music from the Motion Picture)" and kept for the album tracklist.</ref> (2:36) — The main suite of the score, debuting the new [[Maximal]]s theme.
# Unicron / [[Scourge (ROTB)|Scourge]]<ref name="Unicron">Denotes a track that contains Vince DiCola's Unicron theme.</ref> (3:36) — Unicron approaches and sends Scourge to finish off the Maximals as they make their escape.
# Autobots Enter (0:57) — [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] and [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] confront [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]] and his [[Noah Díaz|stowaway]].
# What Are You (1:29) — [[Elena Wallace|Elena]] examines the mysterious [[Airazor (ROTB)|Airazor]] statue in the museum lab.
# More Than Meets the Eye (1:32) — Reek hypes up Noah with some breathing exercises as the latter sneaks into a garage occupied by a particular Porsche.
# Mirage (1:59) — Mirage hatches a plan to steal the [[Transwarp Key]] with Noah and Optimus.
# Museum Heist (1:15) — Noah sneaks into the lab and tries to (unsuccessfully) steal the key.
# Battle at Ellis Island (2:28) — Autobots versus [[Terrorcon (ROTB)|Terrorcons]]!
# Fallen Hero (1:48) — Bumblebee makes the ultimate sacrifice against Scourge.
# [[Kris Díaz|Chris]]{{sic}} Meets Mirage (1:55) — Kris is surprised that the world might be ending, but not by the giant robot his brother is leaving with.
# Arriving in Peru (2:22) — Airazor and [[Stratosphere]] lead Noah, Elena, and the Autobots to [[Cusco]], Peru.
# Hiding in Plain Sight (1:30) — Taking inspiration from their new companions, Noah and Elena infiltrate {{w|Inti Raymi|the local parade}} to get access to the [[Convent of Santo Domingo]].
# The Cave (2:30) — The duo descend into an ancient, abandoned civilization and journey further into a cave with a Maximal-emblazoned tomb.
# Switchback Chase<ref name="Jablonsky">Denotes a track that is credited to Steve Jablonsky.</ref> (4:21) — The Terrorcons pursue the Autobots through the streets and out to the countryside.
# The Village (3:49) — Optimus Primal introduces [[Amaru]] and his family, who have been protecting the Maximals and the key for centuries.
# Saving [[Elena Wallace|Elena]] (2:57) — A corrupted Airazor captures Elena and the key, with Primal in pursuit.
# One Last Stand (3:08) — Noah rallies the Autobots and Maximals for a last-ditch effort to save Earth.
# The Final Battle Begins (3:19) — The Autobots and Maximals!
# Unicron Approaches<ref name="Unicron"/> (1:30) — Scourge activates the Transwarp Key and starts to summon his master to Earth.
# Home Team (2:23) — Kris gives Noah a heartfelt, rousing speech as Mirage revives into an exo-suit.
# Volcano Battle (2:59) — The Autobots and Maximals fend off Terrorcons as Prime and an enhanced Noah square off against Scourge.
# No Matter the Cost (1:56) — Prime lands the killing blow but stays behind to destroy the Transwarp Key as the Autobots and Maximals escape.
# Till All Are One<ref name="JablonskyFeature">Denotes a track that is credited to Bontemps but contains material from Jablonsky.</ref> (1:55) — Noah and Primal rescue Prime from being sucked into the portal, with the most glorious return of "Arrival to Earth".
# Humans and Autobots United<ref name="Jablonsky"/> (2:31) — Optimus and Noah each give their (iconic) closing narrations, set to reprisals of [[Transformers: The Score|"No Sacrifice, No Victory"]] and [[Transformers: The Last Knight (Music From the Motion Picture)|"Calling All Autobots"]].
# Here's My Card (2:46) — Noah's job interview with one [[Agent Burke]].
# A Long Time Ago<ref name="Unicron"/> (6:26) — Opening titles and the film's prologue on the [[Jungle Planet (colony)|Maximal homeworld]].

==Expanded Edition==
[[File:RiseOfTheBeasts-Score-Vinyl-Mockup.jpg|thumb|upright=1.0|They missed a real [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|golden opportunity]] for a deep cut.]]
Quietly listed at the beginning of November, [https://www.musiconvinyl.com/catalog/original-soundtrack/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-expanded-edition-jongnic-bontemps ''Music On Vinyl''] announced an expanded edition of the score album that released on [[December 15]], [[2023]], limited to 500 copies worldwide. Also included is a four-page booklet containing liner notes from director [[Steven Caple Jr.]], Paramount Music exec Randy Spendlove, and the composer himself, plus musician and technical credits. This release is pressed on opaque dark green vinyl and each copy is individually numbered on the rear cover's bottom left corner. Another 500-piece run was announced for April 2024, this time on [[Autobot|red]] and [[Decepticon|purple]]; album contents remain the same.

Aside from being the first ''Transformers'' score on vinyl since the animated movie, five new cues were added to the album program, adding an additional thirteen minutes to the runtime. These tracks are currently vinyl-exclusive.
: 27. Calling All Autobots (0:56) — Optimus Prime sees the Transwarp Key has been activated and pages Bumblebee, Arcee, and Mirage (plus a very startled Noah).
: 28. Airazor (2:45) — After escaping Ellis Island, Airazor formally introduces herself and tells her tale to the Autobots.
: 29. The Silos<ref name="Unicron"/> (4:12) — [[Nightbird (ROTB)|Nightbird]] and [[Battletrap (ROTB)|Battletrap]] watch Scourge get tortured by Unicron after acquiring only one half of the key.
: 30. Finding the Hatch (2:06) — Noah & Elena venture into Cusco to find the hidden temple in search of the key's other half.
: 31. Meet the Maximals (3:15) — Optimus Primal, Cheetor, and Rhinox intercept Noah, Elena and the Autobots as tensions rise... until Airazor calms everyone down and explains the situation.

==Notes==
[[File:ROTB-Vinyl-Overview.jpg|upright|thumb|]]
* In a first for the franchise, "The Maximals" was released to music streaming apps as a single on [[June 2]], a week before both the film and the album.
* Kris Díaz's name is erroneously spelt as "Chris" on the album.
* Bontemps reportedly recorded a ten-minute demo with a forty-piece orchestra on his own dime in 2021 in hopes of landing the job!<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Bontemps actively sought the job and took nothing for granted. He wrote 10 minutes of music he thought might be appropriate for a “Transformers” epic and recorded it with a 40-piece orchestra at his own expense. That April 2021 recording, his demo, met with no response.|link=https://variety.com/2023/artisans/news/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-score-composer-bontemps-interview-1235636948/|name=Jon Burlingame|site=Variety|title=Why the ‘Rise of the Beasts’ Composer Spent Two Years Scoring the Revved-Up Return of ‘Transformers’|year=2023|month=06|day=09}}</ref>
* During the recording of the score, Bontemps revealed on his Instagram account that his mentor Steve Jablonsky would be returning to the franchise in some way. It was later revealed that Jablonsky had assisted in writing some cues for the film, receiving three track credits in addition to an overall producer credit in the movie proper.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=So I met Steve, it was a wonderful conversation and he agreed to come on board and mentor... I would run pieces of by him, he would give me his thoughts about this or that. (47:24)|link=https://youtu.be/03oixFpqNg4?t=2844|name=TransMissions|site=Youtube|title=Jongnic Bontemps Interview, Transformers Rise of the Beasts|year=2023|month=05|day=22}}</ref>
* The [https://music.apple.com/us/album/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-music-from/1689434056 Apple Music version of the album] features some nifty animated album art, with the logo disappearing/reappearing, optics shining and Unicron glowing.

==External links==
* [https://music.paramount.com/albums/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts/ ''Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (Music from the Motion Picture)'' at Paramount Music]

==References==
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Transformers: The Score

2024-10-04T06:08:28Z

Lonegamer78:

{{disambig2|the album of orchestrated music actually in the movie|the album of contemporary hard rock songs|Transformers: The Album}}
{{album
|series=''Transformers: The Score''
|image=Transformersthescore.jpg
|caption=Jam that transmission!
|label=[[Warner Bros.]] Records
|releasedate=[[October 9]], [[2007]]
|prodnumber=
|asin=B00122J2W2 (Download)<br>B000VFGQHK (CD)
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'''''Transformers: The Score''''' is an album featuring the original instrumental music composed by [[Steve Jablonsky]] for the live-action ''[[Transformers (film)|Transformers]]'' film. There was some doubt that such an album would be issued at all; however, after much clamoring by fans of the film, it was released on [[October 9]], 2007 on Warner Brothers Records, some three months after the film's debut.

...In very, ''very'', '''''VERY''''' limited quantities. <small>Dammit.</small>

==Tracks==
# Autobots* — The opening narration.
# Decepticons* — [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]] infiltrates [[Air Force One]]. A similar-sounding track plays when Frenzy notifies Starscream of his finding the [[AllSpark]], and Starscream tells the other Decepticons to mobilize.
# The All Spark* — The [[AllSpark]] is revealed to visitors to the [[Hoover Dam]].
# Deciphering The Signal* — [[John Keller]] wishes "good luck" to the hackers.
# Frenzy* — Oddly, nothing to do with Frenzy, but during the scene with the newborn (and soon to be dead) crazed little [[Nokia-bot|Nokia abomination]].
# Optimus* — [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] meeting [[Sam Witwicky]] and [[Mikaela Banes]] after defeating [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]; [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] announces he will sacrifice himself for the humans by absorbing the All Spark.
# Bumblebee* — Bumblebee causes the All Spark to downsize.
# SOCCENT Attack — [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] attacks [[SOCCENT Forward Operations Base]]. Part of it also plays when Megatron escapes Hoover Dam.
# Sam At The Lake — Sam checks his eBay account; Sam and Miles have a run-in with a local jock/jerk.
# Scorponok* — [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] attacks the village in [[Qatar]]. Appears again as Secretary Keller and company face off against Frenzy inside Hoover Dam. A sped-up version also plays when Bumblebee meets up with the other Autobots on the highway shortly before the final battle. A different version of the [[theme song|theme]] is played during the final battle in ''Revenge of the Fallen''.
# Cybertron — Optimus narrates how [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was destroyed and [[Archibald Witwicky]]'s discovery of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]].
# Arrival To Earth* — Optimus, [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]], [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] make their debut. The beginning is also used when Archibald Witwicky's Arctic expedition is first shown, as Sam is telling his class about it.<ref name="Autobots">Contains excerpt from "Autobots"</ref>
# Witwicky — The Autobots cause mayhem at the Witwicky home as Sam searches for his grandfather's glasses.
# Downtown Battle — The human-Autobot convoy arrives in [[Mission City]] and are shot at by [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]].
# Sector 7 — [[Sector Seven|Sector 7]] chases Optimus Prime through the city and under a bridge.
# Bumblebee Captured — Sector 7 captures Bumblebee in a huge drainage ditch.
# You're A Soldier Now — Ironhide, Jazz and Ratchet fight [[Brawl (Movie)|Devastator]], Megatron kills Jazz, [[Sam Witwicky]] starts taking the All Spark to a rendezvous point, and Optimus arrives. The end of the song was played in ''Revenge of the Fallen'' when Bumblebee defeated Ravage and Rampage, and a similar piece was played in ''Dark of the Moon'' when Optimus killed Driller.
# Sam On The Roof* — Starscream blows up the helicopter and Megatron smashes the building Sam is on.
# Optimus Vs. Megatron — From Optimus explaining Sam may have to kill him, to when Sam choses to kill Megatron instead.
# No Sacrifice, No Victory* — The part of the ending that did not involve [[Linkin Park]].<ref name="Autobots"/>

<nowiki>*</nowiki> different version in film

==Complete Score Cue Sheet==
As with most film scores that are released, the score album is heavily edited - music truncated, mostly omitted to some highlights, usually chronologically incorrect and often several smaller cues combined to form larger tracks, or even with some tracks being "suites" specifically recorded for the album - into an album that the producers feel will make a better listening preference for the average consumer. Although the complete score is not available to the public with no known plans of it ever being released, the cue listings for the complete film score were found at Hans-Zimmer.com apparently linked to highly private collectors. They are as follows.

# 1m03 NEW Soldiers Arrive (0:31)
# 1m05 Bogey Approach (1:23)
# 1m06 Family (0:34)
# 1m08-09 Soccent Attack (2:10)
# 1m10A Arctic 1897 (0:17)
# 1m14-15 Angry Camaro (1:07)
# 1m16 Keller's Briefing (2:02)
# 2m18 Lost In The Desert (0:44)
# 2m20 Sam At The Lake (2:00)
# 2m25 v1 Belly Shot (0:15)
# 2m25 v2 Belly Shot (Alternate) (0:15)
# 2m28 Signal Analysis (0:48)
# 2m32 Air Force One (2:00)
# 2m33 Camaro On The Run (2:51)
# 3m36-40 Scorponok (5:33)
# 3m36 PT1 ALT Scorponok (Alternate) (1:45)
# 3m40 PT2 ALT Scorponok (Alternate) (3:39)
# 3m42 Data Copy (0:36)
# 3m44 Deciphering The Signal (1:13)
# 3m45 Satan's Camaro (0:31)
# 3m46 Pink Bike Ride (0:53)
# 3m47 Are You LadiesMan217? (1:26)
# 3m49 Bumblebee Vs Barricade (2:07)
# 4m51-52 Arrival To Earth (5:28)
# 4m53C Cybertron (2:47)
# 4m55A Witwicky A (1:58)
# 4m55B Witwicky B (0:30)
# 4m56 Witwicky C (2:07)
# 4m58A Sector 7 (0:36)
# 5m58B Take Em & Bake Em (1:04)
# 5m59 Criminals Are Hot (0:45)
# 5m60 v1.7 Autobots To The Rescue (1:22)
# 5m60 v1.0 Autobots To The Rescue (Alternate) (1:22)
# 5m60B Not To Hear That (0:30)
# 5m61A Simmons Takes It Off (0:53)
# 5m61B ALT Speaker Phone (0:49)
# 5m62 Sector 7 Chase (2:15)
# 5m62 END v2.2 Bumblebee Captured (2:24)
# 5m62 END v1.4 Bumblebee Captured (Alternate) (2:21)
# 5m64 Hoover Dam (1:13)
# 5m64C Frenzy Falls (0:28)
# 5m65A Where Is My Car? (0:34)
# 5m66A PT1 Decepticons Mobilize (2:29)
# 6m66B PT2 Nokia Bot (0:23)
# 6m69 Speeding Autos (0:34)
# 6m70A v1 Optimus' Sword (0:43)
# 6m71 v6 F22 To The City (1:35)
# 6m72 Stumble Bumble Pt 1 (1:56)
# 6m72B Stumble Bumble Pt 2 (0:56)
# 6m73A You're A Soldier Now A (2:43)
# 6m73B v1 You're A Soldier Now B (0:54)
# 6m73C You're A Soldier Now C (1:23)
# 6m74 Transforming (0:45)
# 6m75A Sam In The Building (0:44)
# 6m75A ALT Sam In The Building (Alternate) (0:44)
# 6m75B Surreal Mikaela (0:38)
# 6m76 v1 Tow Truck Charge (1:14)
# 7m77 Sam Flares It Up (1:01)
# 7m78 Sam On The Roof (1:15)
# 7m79A ALT Optimus Vs Megatron (4:04)
# 7m79B No Sacrifice, No Victory (2:30)
# 7m79B ALT No Sacrifice, No Victory (Alternate) (2:58)
# Suite - All Spark v7 (6:04)
# Suite - All Spark 2 (3:49)
# Suite - Creeper v1.2 (2:26)
# Suite - Attack v1 (5:10)
# Suite - Decepticons Cello (4:43)
# Suite - Decepticons Vibe (3:38)
# Suite - Decepticons 2 v3 (1:57)
# Suite - Decepticons 5 (3:10)
# Suite - Decepticons 6 v10 (3:39)
# Suite - Heroic v1.5 (2:36)
# Suite - Brooding v4 (4:34)
# Suite - Invasion (1:31)
# Suite - Journey (3:57)
# Suite - Optimus (3:15)
# Suite - Sam's Theme v2 (1:59)
# Suite - Stonker (3:51)
# Suite - Tensaction v3 (2:52)

==Notes==
* Like many movie score albums, this one is not in chronologically sequential order. Some tracks were used more than once; for example, a faster-paced version of "Scorponok"'s chorus is heard when the humans at [[Hoover Dam]] are fighting off [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]].
* Shortly before the release of the official score, a small collection of tracks was released to media outlets as a promotional item, and soon found its way online.
* MP3 rips of a longer and more complete version of the score found their way online about the same time as the release of the official score. Notably, this collection features the tracks edited at lengths for inclusion into the movie during the sound editing process, suggesting that it was possibly leaked from the recording studio. Also of note was the absence of the major themes from the score, such as "Autobots", "Decepticons", "Optimus", "Bumblebee" and "Arrival to Earth".
* The tracks "Optimus Vs. Megatron" and "No Sacrifice, No Victory" were used during various {{w|New England Patriots}} promos for {{w|Super Bowl XLII}}, and later used by networks such as NBC and Network Seven during coverage of the 2008 Beijing [[Olympics]].
* The track "Scorponok" was strangely used in the alpha build of the level "Takedown" in {{w|Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2}}, up until the first objective is completed. It was removed in the final game.
===Reuses in latter films===
* The track "Scorponok" has been reused for at least one [[commercial|promotional spot]] for ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''. The heroic chorus of this track was remixed for ''Revenge's'' second theatrical trailer, and was remixed for another lock-and-load sequence in the film proper when Morshower sends reinforcements during Operation: Firestorm.
* Largely-celebrated track "Arrival to Earth" has, to date, seen the most reuses in following films.
** Rearranged parts of the track are heard several times in ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', such as when [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] airdropped out of the transport plane above [[Shanghai]], during the search for [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]] at the [[Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum]], and when Optimus is revived by the [[Matrix of Leadership]].
** The leitmotif was later again used at various points throughout ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'', especially notable in ''[[Dark of the Moon: The Score]]'' for the track "There Is No Plan". Ironically that scene was for the Autobots leaving Earth, while the original theme was first used for them arriving. The track itself plays when the Autobots make their return.
** "Arrival to Earth" returned in ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]'', when Optimus releases the [[Dinobot (AOE)|Dinobots]] to recruit them.
** The "There Is No Plan" version of the track is played during "Your Voice" in ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]''.
** After being absent from ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'', the track received a new variation in ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts]]'' with the track "Till All Are One".
* The "Optimus" theme is featured in "Bee Weeps" and "Pyramid Romance" from ''Revenge of the Fallen'' 's complete score, "There Is No Plan/Goodbyes" and "Are You Coming With Me?" from ''Dark of the Moon'' 's album and complete score, "Have Faith, Prime/Cade Talks to Optimus" from ''Age of Extinction'' 's corresponding album and complete score, "Your Voice" from ''The Last Knight'', and "Humans and Autobots United" from ''Rise of the Beasts''.
* "No Sacrifice, No Victory" was later remixed for the endings of ''Revenge of the Fallen'', ''The Last Knight'', and ''Rise of the Beasts''.

==References==
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==External links==
*[https://scoringsessions.com/2007/05/29/steve-jablonsky-scores-transformers Scoring session images and information at Scoring Sessions.com], 29 May 2007
*[https://hans-zimmer.com/discography/15/project/2176 Project discography at Hans-Zimmer.com]

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'''''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen — The Score''''' is an album featuring the original instrumental music composed by [[Steve Jablonsky]] for the live-action sequel ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]''. Unlike the delayed limited release of [[Transformers: The Score|the first movie's score album]], this score was released by Reprise Records on [[June 23]], 2009, the same day as [[Revenge of the Fallen: The Album|''Revenge of the Fallen's'' rock/metal album]]. The digital download version was released even earlier, on [[June 12]] in the [[United Kingdom]].

==Tracks==
# Prime (2:14) — Suite piece; [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]] telling the history of the [[Dynasty of Primes|Primes]]; Optimus' body is brought to the mourning NEST teams.
# Einstein's Wrong (3:35) — Suite piece. Contrary to the title, this does ''not'' play during [[Sam Witwicky]]'s breakdown in Astronomy class; rather, it is utilized when Simmons and Wheelie discuss the ancient Decepticon presence on Earth. This particular track may in fact directly correspond to "Simmon's Symbols (Alternate)" off the complete score.
# NEST (2:08) — [[NEST]] gears up to fight [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]]; [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] and [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] saving Sam, [[Mikaela Banes|Mikaela]], and [[Leo Spitz|Leo]] from [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], and [[Scalpel (ROTF)|the Doctor]].<ref>Contains instrumental excerpt from "New Divide" by [[Linkin Park]]</ref>
# The Shard (2:42) — [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] and [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] chase [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]; The kitchen appliances come to life in the Witwickys' home; [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] steals the [[AllSpark]] fragment from [[Diego Garcia]]; [[Alice (ROTF)|Alice]] chasing after Sam, Mikaela, and Leo through the campus library; [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]] kidnapping Sam, Mikaela, and Leo; [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] fighting [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]].
# The Fallen (4:03) — Suite piece; Galloway debates against Optimus at NEST HQ; The Doctor examines Sam
# Infinite White (3:58) — Tail end played when Sam's group reaches [[Petra]].
# Heed Our Warning (4:26) — The song was never used in ''Revenge of the Fallen'', but part of it was put in ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'' when the Decepticons destroy Chicago.
# The Fallen's Arrival (3:47) — Optimus Prime's death prompts Decepticon attacks across the globe.
# Tomb Of The Primes (2:47) — Sam, Mikaela, Leo, and [[Seymour Simmons|Simmons]] find the [[Matrix of Leadership]] in the [[Tomb of the Primes]].
# Forest Battle (2:04) — Optimus battles [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], Starscream and Grindor.<ref name="leitmotif">Contains leitmotif/excerpt from "Autobots"</ref>
# Precious Cargo (1:38) — Sam and Mikaela make their way toward NEST's position with the Matrix of Leadership
# Matrix Of Leadership (3:50) — Sam encounters the Primes and resurrects Optimus<ref>Contains excerpt from "Arrival to Earth"</ref>
# I Claim Your Sun (3:06) — [[The Fallen]] steals the Matrix and activates the [[Star Harvester]]; Jetfire is combined with Optimus; Optimus destroys the harvester; Optimus fights The Fallen and Megatron.<ref name="leitmotif" />
# I Rise, You Fall (3:35) — Optimus defeats the Fallen.<ref>Contains excerpts and themes from "No Sacrifice, No Victory"</ref>

==Recording Session Cue Sheet==

As with most film scores, the original album is an incomplete representation of the score, often abridged to fit on one disc and re-arranged for the average listener's experience in mind. Even so, the on-the-fly nature of the film's production resulted both in the recording of a fairly large number of alternate cues and extensive edits of existing tracks to better fit the film.

Though much of it has fallen victim to leaks, the entire complete score remains unavailable, but the scoring session titles are as follows:

# 1m01v7 17,000 BC (1:25) — In the Past, primitive hunters discover the Sun Harvester and run afoul of the Fallen.
# 1m02v05 Shanghai (1:02) — Morshower maneuvers NEST teams in present-day Shanghai.
# 1m03v6 Soldiers and Ironhide Get Ready (1:24) — The NEST team arrives on the scene in Shanghai.
# 1m03bv3.2 Autobots Into Action (0:52) — Ironhide transforms as the NEST soldiers close in on Demolishor's signal.
# 1m04v1.6 Audibot (0:41) - Unused cue presumably composed with Sideways in mind.
# 1m04-5v1.4 Audibot Joins In and Splits (1:49) — Sideswipe, Arcee, Chromia, Elita-One and the Twins chase down Sideways.
# 1m05v1.16 Wheelbot On The Bridge (1:05) — Demolishor rampages through Shanghai as Optimus dives down to confront him.
# 1m5a Pt1v9 Optimus To The Rescue (0:49) — Optimus dives into Shanghai to confront Demolishor. In the film, the beginning is swapped for that of "Optimus To The Rescue (Short)."
# 1m05a Pt2v4 The Fallen Shall Rise Again (0:29) Demolishor's last words. Replaced with a short edit of "The Fallen's Lair" in the film.
# 1m05bvFilm Sam Off To College (1:29) — Sam and his parents pack his things up for college.
# 1m07v4.21 The Shard Drops (2:15) — The Allspark Shard imparts its knowledge to Sam, then falls and brings the Appliancebots to life. A second part of the track, which corresponds to Bumblebee transforming and dispatching the robots, went unused in the film.
# 1m07 INSv5.3 The Shard Drops (Insert) (0:26) — Unused cue originally intended for Bumblebee's dynamic entry.
# 1m07 REVv5.4 The Shard Drops (End) (0:36) — Bumblebee bursts out of the garage and destroys the Appliancebots.
# 1m07av1. The Shard Is Saved (0:30) — Sam recovers the Shard as Mikaela arrives.
# 1m08v01 Bee Weeps (0:55) — Bumblebee is distraught over Sam's inability to take him to college.
# 1m12av3.6 NEST Operations Center (0:56) — The NEST team returns to Diego Garcia. The beginning of the track, where Soundwave orders Wheelie to pursue Mikaela, was swapped for "NEST Operations Center (Alternate Start)."
# 1m14v3.5 Galloway's Arrival (1:03) — A furious Galloway interrupts a military funeral on Diego Garcia, wishing to relay a presidential message to Optimus. Some of the strings are muted in the film version.
# 1m14Ins Galloway's Arrival (Insert) (0:36) — In orbit, Soundwave latches onto a military satellite.
# 1M15av5 Galloway Meets Optimus (1:24) — Optimus transforms and relays Demolishor's final message to Morshower. The beginning section of the track, where Lennox is talking to Morshower, is edited down in the film.
# 1m15bv4.11 Galloway Grills Optimus (1:41) — Galloway takes Optimus and the NEST team to task.
# 1m15cv1 What If You're Wrong (1:21) — Soundwave learns the location of the second Allspark Shard as Optimus issues a rebuttal to Galloway. In the film, the end is truncated and several channels are muted, resulting in a rather lower-key ending.
# 1m16vFilm Tech Head (Part 1) (1:30)
# 1m16v3.4 Tech Head (Part 2) (1:46)
# 1m16AvFilm You Work For Me Now (0:16)
# 1m17v3.2 Hot Freshman 55 (1:22)
# 1m17AvFilm Mommy High (1:11) — Judy illustrates that ''{{w|Reefer Madness}}'' is apparently an accurate summation of marijuana's effects in this universe.
# 1m18v3 Ravage Drops His Balls (0:35) — Ravage breaks into the Shard containment facility.
# 1m18BIns Reed Man Forms (0:26) — Reedman takes shape in the Shard Chamber.
# 1m18bv8.6 Reed Man (1:09) — Partially used when Reedman steals the Allspark Shard and the soldiers arrive. However, the second half, which would have played during his attack, is instead replaced with an edit of "Sam and Mikaela Find Hut." A pitch-dropped version of the beginning of this track is also used later on, when Sam and Mikaela duck into a hut to hide from Starscream and the Constructicons.
# 2m19v10.3 Diving For Megatron (2:33) — Megatron is resurrected at the bottom of the ocean by Scalpel and the Constructicons. Slightly edited in the film proper, with a short loop as the ''USS Kansas'' submerges and an ''extremely'' subtle shortening between the first and second hits of Megatron's rise through the ocean. The chorus during the Constructicons' activation is also muted.
# 2m21cv1 Cakey Symbols (0:29) — Sam experiences a Shard-based hallucination at a frat party.
# 2m25v1.8 You Don't Need Me (1:35) — Optimus' pleas for Sam's help are refused.
# 2m26v9 The Fallen's Lair (2:23) — Megatron reunites with Starscream and the Fallen aboard the ''Nemesis''. The duduk is briefly dialed out while Starscream is grilled by Megatron.
# 2m27v1.12 Einstein Is Wrong (1:39) — Sam has a Shard-induced meltdown in class.
# 2m28v1.9 Chop Shop Torture (2:32) — As Sam and Mikaela put the pieces together over the phone, Wheelie is captured trying to steal the Shard. Note that the end is slightly truncated in the film, missing part which would have played as Mikaela grappled with Wheelie. However, that particular tidbit ''was'' used in ''Dark of the Moon,'' when Simmons announces his intent to "tango" with Megatron.
# 2m29v7.4 Autobots On The Move (1:17) — The Autobots roll out as Mikaela flies to a scribbling Sam's aid.
# 2m30v2.2 Eighteen Inches Of Meat (0:20) — Leo fails to win the interest of Alice with pizza.
# 2m31v2.1 Alice Seduces Sam (1:03) — Alice tries to seduce Sam as Mikaela walks in.
# 2m32v1.12 Alice Gets Angry (0:56) — Alice reveals herself as a Pretender and attacks Sam, Mikaela and Leo. The end of this track is cut short as Leo ducks under a library table.
# 2m33av2.7 Escaping Alice (1:37)
# 2m33bv4.3 Helicopter Hell (0:26) — Intended for when Grindor kidnaps Sam, Mikaela and Leo. Swapped out for a truncated "Audibot Joins In and Splits" in the film.
# 2m34Revv1.07 Foundry Exam (Revision) (0:33) — Alternate cue inserted into the scene where Megatron pins Sam down for Scalpel to examine.
# 2m35v3.6 Foundry Save To Forest Fight (1:24) — Optimus and Bumblebee rescue the humans from Megatron and Starscream; Megatron ambushes Optimus as he flees with Sam. In the film, the brass cover of the "New Divide" riff and the lead-up to it are switched around, and some of the drums played during said lead-up (where Megatron executes a backflip as Optimus descends rom the ceiling) are muted. To better line up with the shots of escaping vehicles in the film, there is a subtle shortening edit (around 1:05 in the original version of the track) and a short loop of the end chorus' beginning to compensate for it. The end fades out as Optimus and Megatron roll away into the Pine Barrens.
# 2m35av7.3 Forest Battle (2:10) — Optimus makes his stand in the Pine Barrens. There are two distinct edits of the track in both the regular and IMAX versions of the film, but both use the beginning of the second half, albeit with most of the percussion removed and dropped 10% in tempo, for Grindor and Starscream's arrival. The regular version omits the synth panning and crescendo in the beginning, but proceeds mostly unchanged until the Decepticons begin to overpower Optimus, whereupon it is rather drastically shortened. In both versions, the original "New Divide" orchestral piece for Optimus' second wind went unused, replaced with individual edits of " Forest Battle (Alternate 2)."
# 2m36Newv52 Prime Down (1:29) — Megatron kills Optimus as the other Autobots save Sam. Portions of this track later played over the part of "Optimus Rebuilt - Final Battle" where Optimus lies crippled after the Fallen's attack.
# 2m37-40v5.41 Decepticons Invade - The Fallen On TV (6:17) — As the Decepticons launch a devastating series of attacks against Earth,
# 3m37 (1:01)
# 3m39av1 (1:11)
# 3m41v1.09 Optimus Delivered (1:11) — Optimus' remains are delivered to NEST, and Galloway turns on the Autobots. Truncated in its middle in the film.
# 3m42v4 Don't Give Up (2:39)
# 3m42av1.2 Drive To Robowarrior (1:19) — Leo suggests turning to "Robowarrior" for help; Sam's group travels to New York. The ending fades out earlier in the film.
# 3m43v1.03 The Meat Locker (0:45) — Sam makes a plea to Simmons, who then takes him, Mikaela and Leo to his archive below the meat locker.
# 3m43Av4 Simmons' Symbols (1:53) — Simmons walks Sam, Leo, and Mikaela through the transformers' long history on Earth.
# 3m44v4 The Seekers (0:42) — Wheelie pinpoints the locations of the Seekers.
# 3m45v2.22 Simmons In A Funk (Part 1) (0:35)
# 3m45vFilm Simmons In A Funk (Part 2) (0:33)
# 3m45AvFilm Fun With Tazers (0:38) — Leo illustrates that ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)| Revenge of the Fallen]]'' apparently contains an accurate depiction of taser effects in this universe.
# 3m46v8 Model Airplanes (3:09)
# 3m48v3.5 Symbols In The Dirt (0:51) Sam shows the symbols to Jetfire, who then teleports the group to Egypt.
# 3m49v7.13 Jetfire Rambles The Plot (3:35) — Jetfire provides exposition on the Dynasty of Primes, the Matrix of Leadership, and the Fallen. There seems to be loop or mix with the original "Fallen" suite when he and his battle with the other Primes is touched upon, and the vocals have been muted.
# 3m51v3.4 Moving Forward (0:42) — Sam's group evades the Egyptian police. Contains a subtle loop in the film to extend it out to cover the duration of the chase.
# 3m52v1.18 Call To Lennox (3:42) — Sam's group travels tries to contact NEST as they travel through Egypt. Some of the tracks elements are reused during the short border guard's walk up to Bumblebee, and everything from 2:48 to 3:22 is unused in the film.
# 3m53v1 Pyramid Romance (1:06) — Sam and Mikaela share a tender moment beneath the pyramids.
# 3m54vFilm Sam Gets An Idea (0:23) — Sam has an epiphany about Jetfire's riddle and alerts the others.
# 4m54v2 The Three Stars (0:34) — Sam explains the meaning of the "Three Stars" riddle.
# 4m55v2 Galloway Parachutes (2:03) — Sam and Co. travel to Petra as NEST rid themselves of Galloway.
# 4m56-57v6.16 Petra (1:47) — As Morshower receives Simmons' request to airdrop Optimus, Our ragtag bunch of misfits arrive at and search Petra. An as-yet-unknown cue is mixed in towards the end, when Leo snaps at Sam.
# 4m58v3 Tomb Of The Primes (2:47) — Sam and the others discover the Tomb of the Primes and the atrophied Matrix; the NEST planes arrive on the scene.
# 4m59v1.8 The Drop (1:29)
# 4m60v2 One Man (1:49)
# 4m61v5.4 We Need Assist (3:56) — As Morshower gets drones in the air as Megatron calls down a wave of Decepticons. The movie utilization rearranges the "One Man" motif heard When Simmons and Leo are riding in Skids, and the last section, which would have played while NEST formulates a strategy and the Constructicons gather, goes unused, looping part of "Decepticons Invade - Fallen on TV" instead (though one swell from the original seems to make it in there).
# 4m64-66v2.1 Sam and Mikaela Find Hut (3:34)
# 4m67v1.06 Escaping The Suck (0:38) — Simmons, Leo, and the Twins try not to be sucked up by Devastator. Truncated towards the end in the film, cutting off when Mudflap is sucked up.
# 4m68v1.12 Green Twin Escapes (1:53) — The Twins battle Devastator as the Decepticons try to force Sam's cooperation using his parents. The beginning is slightly abridged in the film, starting during the reprise of "Optimus vs. Megatron." Additionally, there is a subtler edit when Judy throws her purse at Rampage.
# 4m69-70v5.23 Bumble Bee Attacks - Parents Goodbye (3:00) — Bumblebee saves the Witwickys and Mikaela from Rampage; Sam leaves his parents to find Optimus. A middle section which would have played from Bumblebee's crippling of Rampage to the dozer-bot's demise was excised in the film, supplanted instead by "Bumble Bee Kicks Ass" during Rampage's end. The end note is also cut off in the transition back to the soldiers' battle.
# 4m69-70END Bumble Bee Kicks Ass (0:24) — Bumblebee overpowers and destroys Rampage.
# 4m71v1.47 Simmons ' Moment - It's A Trick - Wilder Chat (4:35)
# 4m74v4 Precious Cargo (1:37)
# 4m75-76v1.38 Devastator Blown - Orange Smoke (3:19) — Jetfire returns to kill Mixmaster and Scorponok, Devastator is destroyed, and Sam is killed by Megatron during the airstrike. Note that part of the track meant to play during Devastator's fall down the pyramid is not used in the film, and the brass that brass that plays when we first cut back to Devastator excavating the harvester has some sort of synthetic modulation layered on it.
# 4m77v7 Sam Down - Infinite White - Optimus Reborn (3:50) — Sam is returned to life by the Primes; Optimus is resurrected. The beginning and Sam's vision of the Primes are longer in the film, due to looping and being slowed down by five percent, respectively.
# 4m80v6 Optimus Rebuilt - The Final Battle (3:22) The part intended for when Optimus lies crippled has its dramatic string/duduk underscore replaced with the sped-up chorus from "Prime Down."
# 4m81v4 The Fallen Falls (1:55) — Optimus destroys the Fallen, Starscream and Megatron escape, and the humans rejoice.
# 4m81bv1 Sam Our Hero (1:51) — Likely the original composition for the end of the film, this reprise of "No Sacrifice, No Victory" went unused in the film, but ''did'' become the end of "I Rise, You Fall" on the Album.
# 1m02A Ice Cream Truck (Source) (0:15) — Played by the Twins whenever they are in Ice Cream Truck mode.
# 1m04B Ice Cream Truck Melts (Source) (0:04) — Emanates from a disoriented Mudflap after the Twins crash in combined mode.
# 1m4A Asian Diner (Source) (0:08) — Short comedic pluck played when a fleeing Sideways interrupts a family's dinner.
# 1m05a Pt1v7 Optimus To The Rescue (Short) (0:43) — Beginning plays when Epps orders Optimus dropped into Shanghai.
# 1m05bv3 Sam Off To College (Alternate) (1:28)
# 1m12a AltStart NEST Operations Center (Alternate Start) (0:27)
# 2m25v1.5 You Don't Need Me (Alternate) (1:11) —
# 2m35av4 Forest Battle (Alternate 1) (1:00) — Unused alternate cue intended for the battle in the Pine Barrens.
# 2m34v1.6 Foundry Examination (Original Version) (1:58) — Megatron and Scalpel conduct a brutal examinaton of Sam.
# 2m35av6 Forest Battle (Alternate 2) (1:16) — Used during Optimus Prime's second wind in his fight against Megatron, Starscream and Grindor. This track is notable for having two distinct mixings in the regular and IMAX versions of the film. The first, corresponding to the regular cut, is largely unchanged bar some looping of previous elements when Optimus leaps onto Grindor. The IMAX version uses some clever loops and edits to add an additional swell when Optimus hurls his sword into Grindor. The offset from this means that the "Grindor jump" loop comes earlier in this version. In addition, the loop itself is less ornate.
# 2m36v9 Prime Down (Original Version) (2:00) — Alternate cue for Optimus' death. This serves as the basis for the first part of the "Infinite White" suite.
# 3m43Av4 Simmon' Symbols (Alternate) (3:33) — Length and title suggest that this was the original version of the "Einstein's Wrong" suite.
# 3m40v3 The Fallen On TV (Alternate) (1:59) — Alternate cue for The Fallen's broadcast to the world, based around the "Heed Our Warning" suite.
# 3m41v1.06 Optimus Delivered (Alternate) (1:08) —
# 3m48v1.8 Symbols In The Dirt (Original) (0:41)— Shorter alternate
# 3m52v3.6 Call To Lennox (Alternate) (1:59) —
# 4m54Altv2 The Three Stars (Alternate) (0:40) — A
# 4m81bv1 Sam Our Hero (Short Version) (0:41) — Our heroes proudly stand together on the prow of an aircraft carrier. Note that a brief bit of "No Sacrifice, No Victory" from the first film was discreetly interpolated into the beginning of this track in the film proper.

==Notes==
* [[Linkin Park]] and {{w|Hans Zimmer}} worked with Steve Jablonsky on the score of the movie. Linkin Park also wrote a song featured in the movie, called "New Divide". It was one of the [[theme song]]s for the movie, and they did several interpretations on that theme. The guitar riff of "New Divide" is sampled in the track "NEST".<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20160323213748/http://mikeshinoda.com/2009/04/24/transformers-2-new-linkin-park-song-and-score/ Mike Shinoda's blog]</ref>

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

==External links==
*[https://scoringsessions.com/2009/06/18/steve-jablonsky-scores-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen Scoring session images and information at Scoring Sessions.com], 18 June 2009
*[https://hans-zimmer.com/discography/15/project/2177 Project discography at Hans-Zimmer.com]

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'''''Transformers: Dark of the Moon — The Score''''' is an album featuring the original instrumental music composed by [[Steve Jablonsky]] for the live-action sequel ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]''. The CD of this score was planned for release by Warner Bros. on the same day as [[Dark of the Moon: The Album|''Dark of the Moon's'' rock album]], but was delayed as [[Michael Bay]] did not have time to give the CD his approval. Jablonsky discussed an August CD release, with a special edition to coincide with the Blu-ray.<ref>[http://theknightshift.blogspot.com/2011/06/steve-jabalonsky-writes-this-blog-about.html Steve Jablonsky's e-mail to Christopher Knight].</ref> The digital download version, complete with booklet, was released on iTunes on [[June 29]], [[2011]]. This album contains roughly 59 minutes of the movie's score.

==Track Titles, Length and Description==
# Dark Side Of The Moon (3:49) - The prologue.
# Sentinel Prime (3:16) - Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin leave the moon, land on Earth, the camera zooms in on Sentinel's eye, title; Optimus explains that Sentinel Prime is aboard the ''Ark'' to Charlotte Mearing, Buzz Aldrin, and other [[NASA]] officials. Optimus's and Sentinel's conversation at sunset.
# Lost Signal (4:08) - the Autobots destroy an illegal nuclear base; NEST team exploring Chernobyl
# In Time You'll See (3:16) - Sentinel reveals he is working with Megatron, kills Ironhide, and devastates the NEST base.
# Impress Me (3:00) - Sam's first conversation with Bruce Brazos
# We Were Gods Once (4:22) - Sentinel brings forth an army of Decepticons from the Moon via space bridge; Sentinel spares Optimus, declaring he is acting only for Cybertron's survival.
# Battle (3:40) - [[Dino]], Bumblebee, and Sideswipe battle the Dreads on the highway; Lennox's men head for Chicago while the Autobots heroically race down the streets of Chicago into battle.
# There Is No Plan (3:36) <ref>Contains leitmotif from "Arrival to Earth". At the 2:47 mark, the track transitions to "Optimus" from the first score.</ref> - The Autobots drive to the ''Xantium'' for depature from Earth; Optimus and later Bumblebee say goodbye to Sam. This track is a reworked version of the Arrival to Earth track from the first film.
# We All Work For The Decepticons (1:51) - Sam reports to Dylan that the Autobots have no plan for retaliation; Starscream destroys the ''Xantium''.
# The Fight Will Be Your Own (4:41) - Sam, Mearing and Simmons despair over the Autobots' apparent demise.
# Shockwave's Revenge (2:00) - played when Shockwave or the Driller appears in Chernobyl, and later in Chicago.
# No Prisoners, Only Trophies (3:32) - Dylan convinces Soundwave to kill the Autobots, starting with [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Que]], leaving Bumblebee distraught, and later Sam in tears as Bumblebee is about to be executed.
# The World Needs You Now (1:59) - Lennox and his soldiers arrive in Chicago and are attacked by Starscream in the air.
# It's Our Fight (6:32) - Starts when NEST prepare their base-jumps to attack Shockwave and others; Optimus kills most of the remaining Decepticons in Chicago; the combined forces of Optimus, the Autobots, and NEST battle Sentinel; Sam fights Dylan.
# I'm Just The Messenger (4:25) - Sentinel battles Optimus; Carly convinces Megatron to fight Sentinel; Optimus is nearly killed by Sentinel before Megatron intervenes; Sam kills Dylan; the Autobots disable the Pillar; Optimus kills Megatron and then Sentinel.
# I Promise (1:58) - the Autobots and NEST regroup as Sam and Carly profess their love for each other.
# Our Final Hope (3:42) - the Autobots arrive back at the NEST base in Washington, D.C.; Lennox asks for volunteers to go to Chicago.

==Complete Score Cue Sheet==
As with most film scores that are released, the score album is heavily edited - music truncated, mostly omitted to some highlights, usually chronologically incorrect and often several smaller cues combined to form larger tracks, or even with some tracks being "suites" specifically recorded for the album - into an album that the producers feel will make a better listening preference for the average consumer. Although the complete score is not available to the public with no known plans of it ever being released, the cue listings for the complete film score were found at Hans-Zimmer.com apparently linked to highly private collectors. They are as follows.

# 1m0 - Logos (0:20) - The opening titles. This track was very likely composed around the alternate version of "The Fallen Falls" composed for ''Revenge of the Fallen,'' with which it plays in the opening.
# 1m1a - Main Title-Moon Mission (4:55)
# 1m1b Lost Signal (2:13)
# 1m1c - Astronauts Return (1:11) - As humanity celebrates the moon landing's success, Sentinel Prime lies comatose in the bowels of the ''Ark,'' and we get the title.
# 1m4 - Earthly Conflicts-Discovery Chernobyl (3:33)
# 1m5a - Optimus Arrives at Chernobyl (0:50) - Optimus arrives to drive Shockwave away.
# 1m5b - Laserbeak Chernobyl Attack (0:28) Laserbeak kills Alexei Voshkod.
# 2m7 - Accuretta Interview (1:48)
# 2m7a - I Need To Matter (0:32) Brazos and Sam manage to come to an agreement.
# 2m8a - Director Of National Intelligence PT 1 (0:45) - Director Mearing arrives at NEST.
# 2m8b - Director Of National Intelligence PT 2 (1:00) - Mearing walks through NEST HQ to get to Optimus.
# 2m9 - The Ark (1:57) - Mearing Discusses the significance of the ''Ark'' with Optimus.
# 2m11 - Meet Dylan Gould (1:14)
# 2m12 - Car Collection (0:35)
# 3m13 - Finding Sentinel Prime (1:17) - Ratchet and Optimus rescue A comatose Sentinel from the hold of the ''Ark''.
# 3m14 - Megatron In Africa (1:55) - A weakened Megatron spearheads Decepticon operations from his Namibian camp.
# 3m15 - Kill Human Collaborators (0:40) - Laserbeak infiltrates the Singer household.
# 3m18 - Paying Your Dues (0:23)
# 3m19 - I'm His Girlfriend (0:24)
# 3m21 - Meet Deep Wang (1:40)
# 3m22 - Hemorrhoids (1:15)
# 3m23 - Wang Out Window (0:48) - Laserbeak interrogates Jerry before "suiciding" him.
# 3m24a - Clean Up Wang (0:21) - Bruce orders Sam to clean up Jerry's personal belongings (and possibly Wang himself).
# 3m24b - Laserbeak Attacks Office (0:25) - Laserbeak transforms and terrorizes Acuretta.
# 3m25 - That's My Car (1:22) - Sam is a dick to NEST guards and Bumblebee alike.
# 4m27 - Pillars From The Moon (0:32)
# 4m28 - Sentinel Revived (2:42)
# 4m29 - Bumblebee at Home (1:07)
# 4m31 - Simmons Interview (0:48)
# 4m32 - Simmons Back In Action (1:01)
# 4m33 - Prime's In Africa (0:47)
# 4m34 - Intel Confab (2:47)
# 4m35 - Are You Coming WIth Me (1:13) - Carly puts her and Sam's relationship on hold.
# 5m36 - Tracking Russians (0:34) - Dutch and Simmons sniff out the Cosmonauts hiding Stateside.
# 5m38a - Russian Bar Standoff (0:07) - Something is not right with Dutch.
# 5m38b - Russians Find Pillars (1:06)
# 5m39 - Freeway Chase (3:36) - The Autobots battle the Dreads on the DC Parkway. Note that this is one of those fun instances where the original session is extensively edited to better suit the film. "Battle Glorious Suite" is edited into the first half at least twice (see) below, the final "denouement" third of the piece is omitted from the film, and there are a rather daunting number of Pro Tools tweaks and cheats used to match the piece more closely with the action.
# 5m40 - Robot Standoff (0:46)
# 5m41 - Traitor Sentinel (3:17)
# 5m42 - Megatron In DC (3:10)
# 5m44 - Go Get Carly (0:27)
# 5m46 - Assault At Dylan's (2:52)
# 6m47 - Sentinel's Demands (0:37)
# 6m48 - Prepping Xanthium For Liftoff (1:42)
# 6m50a - Goodbyes (3:21)
# 6m50b - Shuttle Liftoff (1:40) - Starscream destroys the ''Xantium'' during takeoff.
# 6m50c - Shuttle Explodes (0:50) - Sam, Simmons and Mearing mourn the Autobots' apparent demise.
# 6m50d - Tracking Dylan (0:55) - Dutch tracks Dylan as he and the Decepticons head for Chicago.
# 7m51 - Dylan Arrives With Pillars-Seal Off City (3:07)
# 7m53 - Sneak Into City (2:27)
# 7m54 - Autobots Return (2:30)
# 7m55 - Saving Carly (3:34)
# 8m56 - Communicating With NEST (1:37)
# 8m57 - Planning Attack (1:02)
# 8m58 - Autobots Storm Chicago (1:57)
# 8m59 - Osprey Assault (1:47)
# 8m60 - Diving Into Chicago - Setting Up Rocket (1:53)
# 8m62 - Trapped In Bldg - Falling Down Side (2:11)
# 8m63 - Driller Attack (3:32)
# 8m64 - Starscream Loses His Head (0:42)
# 9m66 - Teams Surrounding Pillar (3:13)
# 9m67 - Kill The Prisoners (2:24)
# 9m68 - Parachuting In (1:13)
# 9m69 - Pillar Assault (3:02)
# 9m70 - Prime's Fight (3:45)
# 9m71 - Megatron's Revenge (3:11)
# 9m72 - Victory (1:54)
# Sentinel Suite (3:16)
# Battle Glorious Suite (5:55) - The basis for many of the film's action themes, including the infamous "Mind Heist" analogue and the reprise of Sentinel's theme during the climax. However, "Battle Glorious" is perhaps most notable for its usage in the film, where it was tempo-dropped by a factor of -6.25% and extensively edited and mixed with "Freeway Chase" for the buildup to the DC Parkway battle. It is heard while Sam chats on the phone with Mearing and when Crowbar transforms.
# Driller Suite (2:05)
# Death and Return Suite (4:42)
# Conspiracy Suite (3:48) - The basis for "Main Title - Moon Mission" and "Lost Signal" in the opening. Repurposed as "Dark Side of the Moon" for the released score.
# Chicago Suite (7:44)
# Our Final Hope Suite (3:42)
# Communicating With NEST (Alternate) (1:44)

==Notes==
* Steve Jablonsky had assists with additional music from Tom Gire, Pieter A. Schlosser and Todd Haberman.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20201127231523/http://www.hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=disco&id=1036 From Hans-Zimmer.com]</ref> Similar to the score in ''Revenge of the Fallen'', one of [[Linkin Park]]'s songs—"Iridescent"—was again interpolated into the score.

* In the very beginning of the movie, a snippet from "I Rise, You Fall" from the previous score is played before ''Dark of The Moon''{{'}}s "Dark Side of The Moon" is played.

* "It's Our Fight" features a bridge that is quite similar to composer Zach Hemsey's "Mind Heist", better known on the interwebs as the "''Inception'' trailer music".

* For whatever reason, the opening melody of "Battle" is a near-perfect match to Depeche Mode's "Black Celebration".

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[https://scoringsessions.com/2011/10/03/steve-jablonsky-scores-transformers-dark-of-the-moon Scoring session images and information at Scoring Sessions.com], 03 October 2011
*[https://hans-zimmer.com/discography/15/project/2176 Project discography at Hans-Zimmer.com]

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