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Talk:Bumblebee (film)

2020-06-21T19:36:02Z

Luka1184:

==Lawsuit?==
So Hasbro just filed a Lawsuit with DC Comics for the Bumblebee Name. [http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/bumblebee-trademark-transformers-dc-comics-warner-bros-1202541577/] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 04:45, 30 August 2017 (EDT)
:Ah no wait, it's over. DC & Hasbro are cool. [http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/08/17/the-battle-of-the-bumblebees-is-over-hasbro-and-dc-comics-settle-bumblebee-trademark-dispute-370180] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 19:22, 11 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream==
Should Starscream be in the cast list here, when we've not actually had any official announcement/confirmation that the character in the trailer is him? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:58, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
:Nope. --[[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 01:11, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::Aw, come on! Its quite obviously supposed to be starscream, the head design is a slightly more g1-ifies version of michael bay starscream. The colors of the jet (what can be seen of it) are starscream colors, red air intakes, white nose area, and even a orange cockpit. It is highly unlikely this starscream homage isnt him, its clearly a more g1-ified version of michael bay starscream. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:13, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:::It's not uncommon for [[Blackout (Movie)|movie]] [[Grindor (ROTF)|characters]] to [[Crankcase (DOTM)|not]] [[Berserker|be]] who you think they are. Until Starscream is officially confirmed, we gotta play it safe. [[User:Ikkad|Ikkad]] ([[User talk:Ikkad|talk]]) 14:14, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::: Only one [[Barricade (Movie)|decepticon]] has been confirmed for the movie. Starscream has not been confirmed yet. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 19:34, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Get rekt, it’s confirmed as screamer now! [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 08:24, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
:The rudeness is hardly necessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:51, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, I meant it in a friendlier manner. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:53, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

The reason they had to make an official announcement was because you people kept speculating that it wasn't Starscream when it blattantly was. It's a soft reboot. He doesn't have to turn into a Dorito F-22 to be the same character. This has been common knowledge for months.[[User:Leo1452|King Kid]] ([[User talk:Leo1452|talk]]) 12:03, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
:Well I for one have always enjoyed crow when topped with a little (Whataburger) ketchup. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:55, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

This just in: That Scream is now Blitzwing. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:48, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:...that just in literally a month ago hence my last comment above. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 20:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

== /* Timeline and Continuity */ ==
This movie is a reboot because if not they should find the way to explain how Bumblebee fought in the WW2, because this movie is supposedly to be the first time Bumblebee came to Earth--[[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:29, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Can somebody edit in the fact that this is now officially a reboot since Hasbro has now officially confirmed it? [[User:DrXshock|DrXshock]] ([[User talk:DrXshock|talk]]) 17:51, 17 February 2019 (EST) 22:50, 17 February 2019 (GMT)
==toyline?==
Is there a toyline? I know the movie has a while to release, but we knew about titans return about a year before release. Why do t we know about this toyline?
[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

There might be. I have seen pictures showing a prototype of a volkswagen beetle Bumblebee ( redeco from TLK new bumblebee ) [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:29, 10 June 2018 (EDT

:The toyline will be absorbed into ''Studio Series.'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
==Is this really a reboot?==
I have heard that the reboot is cancelled, but the past events in the movies just don't match up.
Bumblebee went to earth with Hot Rod and fought in world war 2 (ww2) there. Instead the movie shows bumblebee's first time on earth.
So is this a start to the reboot or just a confusing event in the Bayformers Movies? [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
:Dude, it really doesn't matter right now, the movie isn't out yet. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

==bumblebee design==
Is it me, or does bumblebee kinda look like the cancelled alternators g1 bumblebee? If anyone else picks up on this, should we put it in the (currently nonexistent) trivia area that his design is possibly an homage to said toy? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:55, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

==female Decepticon==
A youtuber, AndySupreme99, claims that he saw the trailer at Cinemacon. He says that there is a female Decepticon. Have any of you seen the trailer he mentioned?
:We obviously know now that this was referring to Shatter, but for the record, we need a better source than "This YouTuber says..." next time. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:19, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

==new characters confirmed==
The director has confirmed that Cliffjumper, Soundwave and Shockwave will be on Cybertron. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 06:53, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:Source? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:47, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
::When I googled, I found a bunch of excited fan videos pointing back to a wordpress blog which mentioned Travis Knight in terms of his appearance at San Diego Comic Con, and then launched into a bunch of other details that were not obviously sourced to anything Knight said. I don't think we should be inclined to add them based on that. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

::Now we all know that it is true because of the second trailer, but we should get an official source first next time instead of info from a fan made video. [[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:38, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

== Can we not add pages for background randos who may or may not be characters? ==
Have people already forgotten when everyone though Blitzwing was actually Starscream? We shouldn't be saying Acid Storm is in the film, when there's the possibility that the green dude might well turn out to be a completely new character. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:38, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
:Sorry, I should've probably just waited or not do it at all instead of telling people to delete if they didn't like it. But I didn't think it would be taken to this extent where pages were being made. Once again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:09, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
::The first rule of wikis is that if there is a red link, *somebody* is gonna fill it. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 01:29, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream Part 2==
This fits better here than on Bltizwing's article's talk page, where I'd posted it first:

''We're swiftly disabused of that notion thanks to a barrage of familiar faces including Decepticon premiereship players Shockwave, Starscream and Blitzwing, all in their original, first generation forms.''

This is obviously an incorrect take on the trailer, as Blitzwing is assuredly not there in his "original, first generation form." We therefore can't take the article's identification of Starscream as definitive, especially given that this isn't the first time we've seen a Starscream-looking dude in a trailer, and he turned out named something else. Note that Starscream is not mentioned in any of the article's direct quotes of Travis Knight. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:I understand what you mean, but in the background of the Shockwave shot, we see a bot that looks different than Blitzwing, and has more similarities to Starscream. We can especially tell because the international trailer shows us Blitzwing's body. If this ends being Blitzwing ''too'' (for some reason) than sure. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::We cannot positively ID that guy as Starscream at this point, certainly not based on a sentence that contains at least one clear error. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:37, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Blitzwing being in his Generation One style form can just be the error, and that's it. And besides, if Starscream wasnt in the actual movie, wouldn't you think they would've scrubbed his name by now? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:49, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::A version of G1 Blitzwing does not appear in the trailer, and that mistaken impression by the author has not been corrected. That mistake renders the sentence unreliable. The author thinks that one Seeker on Cybertron is Starscream, and maybe it is, but we've been down the "this Seeker-looking dude is clearly Starscream" road once already, and we know how that turned out. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:58, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::One incorrect part of a sentence doesn't cancel out the whole sentence. It is true that Shockwave and other characters appear in their G1 style bodies. Let's get at a compromise. If the movie comes out and that Seeker in the background isn't Starscream, then, we remove it. But for now we keep it so we can remember. Dealio? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::No. What? No. When the movie comes out this'll all be moot. We're talking about what our articles are presenting to readers right now as confirmed facts about an upcoming release. And actually, yes, that one error does make the whole sentence unreliable, as it auggests that it's just the author's impression of the trailer and not info from an actual production source. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 19:13, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, let's just delete the Starscream stuff for now and see what happens. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:04, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Fine. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:17, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
Welp, looks like the new, short featurette made this guy look EVEN more like Starscream. By the way, I have "Starscream" hidden along with the other background bots; if the movie comes out, and it turns out this isn't Blitzwing or anyone else, then we can probably un-hide him, along with everyone else. Guess we'll find out soon! [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:48, 5 December 2018 (EST)

== Mr. Bee caption ==
I really don't care for it, but the context of that caption is that it's from the Bee Movie during the trial scene with Barry Vs. The Human Race. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:03, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:I know what it's from, I just think it's gross.
:Also Sipher removed it once already, and he's an admin, so. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 11:15, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
::Yeah, I totally agree. Just figured I might add some context. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:07, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:::Good news, its been taken care of in the form of the famous "You like Jazz?" [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 18:29, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

== Officialy Confirmed Characters ==
Recently characters like Arcee,Cliffjumper, Ratchet and Starscream were confirmed in an official featurette. Should we add them?[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:17, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:I feel like at this point we can afford to wait three weeks for the film to actually come out before adding tons of characters to the cast list. We've previously had shots of characters in trailers/preview material which have not been in the finished film. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:28, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::Besides, just because someone looks like a character doesn't mean they actually are. Remember "Starscream"? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:30, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::If the "featurette" is the video linked here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFv6JVFApk Bumblebee - First Generation Design - Paramount Pictures UK], there is nothing in that video that confirms those characters. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:46, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::::Seems to be referencing this TFW2005 article about that featurette http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/11/27/transformers-bumblebee-designing-g1-featurette-jointhebuzz-377449 Which includes some blurry screenshots with background characters circled. Which is not confirmation of who these characters are, especially since you can barely see them. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:57, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::::'''EDIT:''' Yeah, that. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 27 November 2018 (EST)

==The novel==
Warning: Spoilers!

The movie novel confirms that there is one more human character named Sheriff Lock who chases Bee and the humans in a tunnel before Bee damages his cop car by jumping on the hood. We should add him because this is from an official source.[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 11:00, 29 November 2018 (EST)
: Characters in novelizations don't always show up in the movie itself. There's no rush; we can wait a few weeks. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:02, 29 November 2018 (EST)

== The Hoover Dam in the Trailer. ==
This may be useless information, but it could also be of some interest to some.
I was born in Las Vegas and have lived here for most of my life.....I was born in the 70's BTW.
Anyways as a kid (and even now) I loved going to the Hoover Dam, so I know a bit about it's appearance throughout the years and decades.
So the movie takes place in 1988 right?
If that is the case the way the Dam looked in the trailer (I believe it was in the second trailer) is not correct for the time period.
The parking structure and new visitors center that can be seen on the west (Nevada) side the Dam in the trailer was built (added) in the mid 90's.
I did try to find some sample pics from the 80's online, but could not find any that were stamped for that time period. But I do have two post cards from my personal collection that I did get around that time, that shows how the Hoover Dam would appear in 1988. (I can send pics of them if need be).
So like I said this is not really important info about the movie, but I thought it should at least be said and addressed, you know for the whole "real world" "continuity" section or something. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 04:55, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I would suggest waiting until after the film is released before adding any real-world comparisons like that, so as to make sure it accurately reflects the final version. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:11, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I agree and that does makes sense, because they may change it, or perhaps the scene takes place at some other time period in the film, when I do see the movie I will let you know if it still is an issue. [[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 01:35, 5 December 2018 (EST)
:I just wanted to give a follow up to this subject that I began in the first place. I finally saw the movie, which was awesome BTW, and it seems that the shot of the Dam that was used in the trailer was NOT used in the final film, and the shot that was seemed to be done in such a way to not show any of those structures that I mentioned as being built after the 80's. So I have to say they (the director and editor) did a pretty decent job. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 03:04, 4 January 2019 (EST)

==thundercracker==
I’m not sure if it’s just a generic or not, but there’s a seeker colored suspiciously like thundercracker. Does anyone else think it’s thundercracker or is it just me? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 16:35, 14 December 2018 (EST)
:Dude, just wait a WEEK and you can find out for sure. Geez, what is this obsession people have with playing "wow, that blur in the background looks kind of like random character number 382. If I squint."?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:24, 14 December 2018 (EST)

==Open editing please?==
When will regular users be able to edit this? The movie's already out... [[User:Autoboty|Autoboty]] ([[User talk:Autoboty|talk]]) 05:18, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:"expires 21:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)". It's only 6:30 am on the East Coast. Not many have had a chance to see it yet... - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 06:26, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:For Christ's sake, would it kill people to just wait a few days and then add information? This does not need to be immediately added; in fact, it's better that it's not, because it gives you time to write up a concise summary. Just...chill. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:01, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:The article is unlocked now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:03, 21 December 2018 (EST)

== New universe ==
Since the new film is clearly settled in a new continuity, should we move the new informations of the characters in a separate section in their own pages or create totally new pages ? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:Same page, we would only make a new page if it's a new continuity family. There is also a discussion on how to tackle the Bee movie [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The Bumblebee Movie|here]]. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:26, 22 December 2018 (EST)

== Caption theme for this film? ==
So what is it this time around? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 00:33, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:It has been Bee Movie so far, don’t know if it’s going to change [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 00:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Bee Movie. There can be only one. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:01, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::''Hey, I've never seen the Bee Movie. I had no clue!'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:::I hear it made a real buzz at the box office! - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:04, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::::I will kill you. --[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:05, 28 January 2019 (EST)

== Sector Seven's "first contact" ==
The Sector Seven unit seen in the film calls the entire Bumblebee/Blitzwing fight, and later the meeting with Shatter and Dropkick as "first contact", which seems to imply that this is the first time that Sector Seven has seen Cybertronians. But as we know, at that point in time, Megatron and the Allspark are very clearly in possession of S7. Currently, this is stated to be a continuity error... But is there a chance that the Unit involved under Burns doesn't know of the entire story behind Megatron? Remember, in TF1, Banachek, said that the entire footage acquired from Transformers was deemed "beyond Top Secret." Using real-life Top Secrecy protocols, it isn't hard to imagine that even S7 wouldn't tell their field teams what was going on in their secret base, either A. because they simply don't have to know, or B. in case of interrogation, the soldiers can't tell anything useful.

The same can be said of allowing Shatter and Dropkick inside Hoover Dam: the field team could know the HQ, but wouldn't know the entirety of the story. And of course, the files that Shatter/Dropkick search through could be doctored, with some sensitive information removed or placed behind bars, allowing access but keeping some of the files a secrecy. Traces of Cybertronian-originated tech inside the files could simply be replaced with the cover-up stories S7 has used before, possibly even to the field teams.

Just a theory based on real-life protocols, and some careful speculation.

[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 07:34, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Given they cut a scene they filmed showing frozen ('''G1''') Megatron, they may or may not have Megs and the Allspark in the *Bumblebee* continuity. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:05, 27 December 2018 (EST)

:Admittedly it's been a while since I watched the 2007 film, but Megs was (a) found frozen (and offline?) and (b) kept frozen (and offline?), right? So they can still have him in the freezer and consider this first contact, because it was the first ''actual'' contact, with the words and the talking. Like many things with continuity between these movies, I think it can work if you squint. A lot. --[[User:Guntrip|Guntrip]] ([[User talk:Guntrip|talk]]) 05:54, 28 December 2018 (EST)
::If I were Sector 7, I would not consider Megatron's body to be first contact. And as Travis Knight made clear in interviews, Megatron does not cameo in this film because he is meant to be frozen at the Hoover Dam when the film is set. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 12:39, 28 December 2018 (EST)

== Bumblebee's potential design change ==
Wasn't 100% sure if this was noteworthy enough to add, so I figured I'd bring it up here first. The more complex toys, namely the Studio Series and Masterpiece figures, depict Bumblebee as having the traditional "car wings"- this is an element that is present in some promotional material as well, specifically with [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/92/ed/6e92edad8057c2a68dee54513fd80a59.jpg Entenmann's products showing Bee with his "wings"], leading me to believe it was a minor design change late into the game and not the result of general kibble. In the final film, as far as I can recall, his doors are just folded onto his back to give him a cleaner look. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:37, 4 January 2019 (EST)

== Cliffjumper's cameo ==
So I could just start a revert war, because 'NO' isn't a real persuasive argument, but I'll do this instead, 'cause I think I got a solid case.

In the last 20+ years of Transformers lore, Cliffjumper is famous for one thing and one thing only: showing up as a named, headlining character in a flagship TV show, only to be captured, interrogated and brutally murdered within minutes of his debut. This is ''by far'' the most distinctive and memorable thing the mythos-arc character of Cliffjumper has done. You gotta go back 35 years to him calling people traitor to find something similarly definitive.

Now for the movie scene on whatever moon it was, the writers could have chosen ''literally any character''. They coulda put Huffer or Gears or Cosmos or Windcharger or Blurr or Outback or a generic or ''anybody'' in that scene, but no. When they needed a character to be captured, interrogated, act defiant and get shockingly killed, they went to the one character whose ''defining trait'' is that he was ''captured, interrogated, acted defiant and got shockingly killed''.

If that seems like a reach, the bigger reach is saying that they just landed on that character ''totally by coincidence''; that out of 18 '84 Autobots and dozens of subsequent ones available, they just. so. happened. to pick that one, ''without'' being aware of his recent history. I don't buy that.

Now if we've heard from the scriptwriters or whoever added that character in there that, whoa, hey, wow, we had no idea that was a thing!, then that's different; but y'all gotta show me the money. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 12:46, 7 January 2019 (EST)
: Conversely, the interrogation scenes are different enough (Prime Cliffjumper gets his spark crushed, BB Cliffjumper is bisected) that I'd need to see it from the the scriptwriters that it was intentional. And being honest, I'm willing to be the reason why Cliffjumper was chosen to die was because he's about 95% the same model as Bumblebee's Cybertronian form, and thus was easy to do instead of some other all new guy.

: All in all, sometimes a similar scene is just a similar scene. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:42, 7 January 2019 (EST)

::I also call bull on the notion that Cliffjumper's "defining trait" is "get shockingly killed". On top of that, it further strains credibility of the claim to have just this one singular non-G1 non-movie reference out of aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the past-TF references in the movie, especially when, as noted, it involves a recycled model for a scene that would almost certainly predate the reshoots and added Cybertron footage. In a movie where they actually re-create specific shots from the old animation, you'd think they'd have done that there too if they were actually making the reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:04, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:Rob, they used Cliffjumper because Cliffjumper can use the same Cybertronian body that they already modeled for Bumblebee. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 14:16, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:: Fair enough, outvoted etc.
:: Not sure this comment works as an explanation, though. Of course they reskinned a model where it was an option, but they coulda reskinned anybody. They coulda killed off Bluestreak or Smokescreen or Outback or an obscurity or a generic. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 18:11, 8 January 2019 (EST)
::: The expanded Cybertronian scenes were a later addition, and so Bumblebee's Cybertronian mode was likely available much sooner. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:34, 8 January 2019 (EST)

Even if the authors didn't intend it, it still happened. We're the ones who spot the similarities and I'm on board with noting it on the page, though using phrases like "...is similar to..." as opposed to "...is inspired by...". Same thing goes with "homage," which assumes deliberate planning. Two things can resemble each other either on purpose or by accident, it's still fair to point out the resemblence. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:54, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:That's always been something we've ''actively'' avoided doing. We even have a template for it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:06, 7 January 2019 (EST)
::And I quote...
{{Notareference}}
::-- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:24, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:::Yeah, we are not filling up our references sections with things that we merely find similar. That's not what the references section is for. That's why we have the template. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:27, 7 January 2019 (EST)

==Seekers==
It says dirge is in the film, the only conehead you see clearly (and even has a pic on this site) is green. Also, the purple seeker on Cybertron resembles slipstream in colors more than it does Skywarp. Hell, it probably isn’t even either character, just a generic. I think we should remove the seekers names from the characters list besides starscream, as the others aren’t named. While starscream isn’t named in the film, the shots on Cybertron resemble his g1 self and he is the closest standing to shockwave in the scene with the green cone head. Starscream, Soundwave, and shockwave are all Megatrons generals, so it would make sense for them to be together with Megatron being gone. As far as I’m aware, starscream is the only seeker that can be safely associated with an established character. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 09:14, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Scroll down to Notes section. There's a reference to an EW article saying all the G1 characters in the opening Cybertron scene. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)
::I'm not sure how reliable that source is in this case. They can't spell Chris Latta. They state that the instructions for the coneheads were changed, when they were not. Various paragraphs mix the old toys and the new movies in confusing ways. And the quotation used to support Dirge's presence does not actually include his name, that is added by the author of the article and could be either saying that the specific conehead Dirge is in the movie or simply giving an example of a conehead from past fiction without saying what the names of any coneheads in the movie are (or even if they are named). Honestly, the writer needs to return not just the paycheck they received for that article, but also any and all diplomas, degrees, and certifications of education that they may have received. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:48, 10 January 2019 (EST)

So we can remove them from the list except starscream? He is thus far the only one who has enough to be inferred who he is. Just because he is named doesn’t mean it’s not him, shockwave goes unnamed in the film. See my first post if you are unaware of my reasoning. Sincerely [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 15:29, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Shockwave is named in the credits, by the way. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:23, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Thrust are explicitly named in the ILM visual development page (https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece/). Thus, I'd assume that there has been confirmation on their identities. [[User:Ed|Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed|talk]]) 02:31, 20 May 2019 (EDT)
:Dude, you're responding to a 4 month old thread. We are aware of the ILM source. We discussed it over a month ago in the section "Entertainment Weekly". But, given the fact that all of those mentioned there show up in MULTIPLE copies, the specific characters cannot be said to be in this film. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:10, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

== Shatter/Dropkick tracking Bumblebee error. ==
(First post here forgive me if I'm doing this wrong)

So I was reading the error section for this movie specifically how it claims that Shatter and Dropkick were tasked with tracking down B-127, while they do that after they detect his signal while interrogating Cliffjumper I didn't see anything in the film that indicated that they were hunting down Bumblebee specifically before that moment, since they were trying to find Prime it seems more likely that the two Decepticons were just tracking down and interrogating any Autobot they could for Prime's location and so happen to be near Bee while they were interrogating Cliffjumper, although this is just a theory perhaps they were tracking down Autobots this exact way with finding one and detecting signals of other Autobots and repeat the procedure until they find Cliff, again this part is just a theory but regardless nothing in the film indicates that the two Decepticons were looking for Bumblebee specifically prior to the Autobot beaming his signal.

The Blitzwing part however is fine and correct since it isn't explained how he was already there, either he was already on Earth (I mean he is a Seeker and maybe Seekers seek other worlds which is what they did in ROTF although they are presumably separate from the more classic versions in this movie) or he took off after Bumblebee's pod immediately after they launched whether specifically looking for Bee or was chasing his pod by chance. Although those are theories and not fact. --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 7:30, 12 January 2019 (EST)
:Yeah, I don't think the error as listed is correct. Shatter and Dropkick are hunting for Optimus, they happen to be interrogating Cliffjumper when they detect Bumblebee's signal and they go to find Bumblebee on the hunch he'll be more willing to talk. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:05, 23 January 2019 (EST)

== Just an idea ==
I don't know if there is a way we could do this but could we take a poll on whether people like the Bumblebee designs or the original movieverse designs better? Please don't hate me for this. I'm new here.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:09, 28 January 2019 (EST)
:TFWiki isn't the place for "social" stuff, that would be better suited for a Transformers discussion forum. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:54, 28 January 2019 (EST)

==Bumblebee's Place in Continuity==
It seems Hasbro referred to Bumblebee as [https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/02/16/transformers-brand-info-from-new-york-toy-fair-2019-fan-media-panel-hasbrotoyfair-383106 "a new storytelling universe" at the ToyFair panel over the weekend]. Now admittedly this statement is rather vague, but the general idea seems to imply the film is now a reboot, not a prequel to the Michael Bay franchise. I'm aware of the mass discussions in regards to the film's continuity prior to release, and I don't mean to dredge up old arguments, but I think this statement is atleast worth discussing. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:17, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:I don't see any point in discussing this until after the next movie.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:48, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:Christ, can people tamp down their continuity deckchair-shuffling boners for like three consecutive seconds. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 17 February 2019 (EST)
::I guess you can say it's ''pretty hard?'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:43, 17 February 2019 (EST)
: Is [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/travis-knight-talks-edits-continuity-and-turning-people-into-goo-in-new-interview/43204/ this good enough]? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:42, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

==Bumblebee Universal Designation==
Since the Bumblebee movie has been confirmed to be a reboot, and was obviously a new timeline in the first place, I propose we call the BB movie universe: Tyran 018.21 Delta. --[[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] 15:03, 15 March 2019 (EST)
:We've already discussed this, including right above your post. The statement they made was too vague to actually pull anything definitive from, so we're not making any calls about whether the movie is a prequel or reboot (and therefore requires a new designation) until we know what the next movie is. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::Also the movie is blatantly made to work either way (with allowances for how shoddy inter-film continuity is for the whole enterprise). If new movies do their own thing, that doesn't actually change how they approached and made this movie. And we're not using TT stream designations for anything anyway. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:32, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
:::That too. Unless something gets mentioned in future TransTech fiction (assuming there even is any), you probably won't see any new universal streams added to the wiki going forward. (Note that we don't have one for Cyberverse either.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:38, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::::I don't see how it is vague. It was clearly confirmed to be a reboot. --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:36, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

==Battletrap homage==
There's a note that states that Dropkick is an homage to Battletrap's appearance in "Cybertron's Most Wanted." Is there any evidence to back this up (say Travis Knight saying so like how he said Shatter is based on Nightbird), or is it just speculative? Because I don't remember hearing Mr. Knight saying anything about Dropkick's design. [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 10:57, 23 March 2019 (EDT)

== Entertainment Weekly ==
"An Entertainment Weekly article confirms some of the background characters in the scene set on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].<ref>[https://ew.com/movies/2018/12/22/bumblebee-spoilers-classic-transformers-opening-battle/2/ EW article on the Cybertron scene]</ref> "
Given all the errors in that article, I am tempted to just remove this from the page. How can we claim that it confirms anything when it gets so much wrong about the past? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:30, 24 March 2019 (EDT)
:I've pulled the note and removed the Seekers (other than Starscream) from the list. Find a source that is competent before re-adding. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:49, 27 March 2019 (EDT)
::[https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece From the horse's mouth.] Slide 28 concretely identifies them as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:49, 2 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Okay, that I can accept as a reliable source. The EW article I wouldn't even take as evidence for how to spell Entertainment Weekly, it was THAT bad.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:38, 4 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I wanna say that while obviously those Seeker colors were inspired by a few of the named Seekers over the years including being labeled as such in the concept art, I doubt those Seekers in the opening were those characters themselves only because the colors are reused for multiple Seekers, for example there are multiple "Thundercrackers" including the one Optimus pummels and the one Bumblebee knocks out of the way in vehicle mode before he knocks over and kills one of the many "Skywarps" in the scene, although it's possible any of these Seekers are indeed Skywarp,Thundercracker,Thrust,etc I'm not sure if that was the intent at the end, The colors I saw while watching a 4k version of the scene just today were besides the Thundercracker,Skywarp,Thrust ones there were the ROTF Dirge looking ones as well as an orange kind of Sunstorm Seeker that Bumblebee kicks a Skywarp head at and shortly before hand a mostly red Seeker in the background during the part where Bee knocks over two Seekers and finally there is a couple Seekers that uses Blitzwing's color scheme one of such is one of the Seekers that Prime shoots in the flashback and another is one of the many Seekers charging Prime at the end of the scene, funnily enough that one was right beside Shatter and Dropkick so that one might very well be Blitzwing himself but probably a coincidence, This fan made scale chart by Red Goblin (He's a very talented guy, I actually think he has some access or other to ILM renders, either that or he's really good at piecing together renders) while not an official source (probably) is a good film accurate showing of what colors were in the film. https://i.postimg.cc/2kRxjk5B/bumblebeeccons.png --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 5:46, 4 April 2019 (EST)

==pics==
I get why all the pics are of the bot scenes...but shouldn't Charlie be in a few? Swapping the final image for example from one at the bridge to Prime and Bee seems to run counter to the fact that she's the the primary protagonist. {{unsigned|Eire}}
:I agree. At the moment the selection of screencaps is giving a completely inaccurate impression of the film. We have more screeencaps featuring Soundwave than we do of Charlie (and the one that does is just the back of her head). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

== Digital comic ==
Question: the recent comic (Sector 7 adventures: the battle at half dome) released with the dvd has many elements that connect Bumblebee movie with the 2007 Transformers movie (like Banachek, Simmons's S7 t-shirt, Soundwave looking for the AllSpark, Megatron frozen etc...); so can we add those informations in this page? [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:That information would be better suited to a Battle at Half Dome page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:04, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::Yes, I know I know, but what I was saying is that (for example) in the section "continuity notes" there is written that the S7 doesn't know the Cybertronians and there is also written a supposition that project Iceman is so secret that only a small portion of employees knows about it. I asked if there could be done a link saying these theory is supported by the comic. [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:::Probably not. I guarantee you the scriptwriters were not thinking about any comic adaptations when the movie was being written; in its own self-contained context, there is no explanation. Besides, if there's anything we've learned from the Bumblebee Prequel, it's that the events of a comic tie-in can't be treated as lining up precisely with, or having any influence on, movie canon. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:23, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Ok thanks. {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:::::Just one last question: if what you're saying is true, why in Bumblebee's notes (character, not movie I mean) about his arrival on earth is made mention to the IDW comics? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
::::::Character articles cover all of a character's appearances in all works of fiction, even when they're incompatible with one another. Hence why the "IDW Comics" section is placed separately on the page from the "Movies" section. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:51, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
:::::::OK Thanks

== Escape Pods/Protoform ==
Does anyone else notice the Escape pods resemble the protoform reentry modes of the Michael Bay Movies? Would it be alright if I made a note of that in the Trivia section of the Protoform' page? Or is only having minor resemblance not conclusive evidence enough to make a note of it in the trivia section of that Protoform' page?

== The movie is no longer a prequel, it's a reboot ==

When the movie finally came out, it was declared to be a reboot officially. Shouldn't the page be altered to reflect that? Here is at least one source: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/streaming-june-2020-netflix-disney-plus-hulu-hbo-max/ --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

Talk:Bumblebee (film)

2020-06-21T19:35:09Z

Luka1184: /* The movie is no longer a prequel, it's a reboot */ new section

==Lawsuit?==
So Hasbro just filed a Lawsuit with DC Comics for the Bumblebee Name. [http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/bumblebee-trademark-transformers-dc-comics-warner-bros-1202541577/] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 04:45, 30 August 2017 (EDT)
:Ah no wait, it's over. DC & Hasbro are cool. [http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/08/17/the-battle-of-the-bumblebees-is-over-hasbro-and-dc-comics-settle-bumblebee-trademark-dispute-370180] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 19:22, 11 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream==
Should Starscream be in the cast list here, when we've not actually had any official announcement/confirmation that the character in the trailer is him? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:58, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
:Nope. --[[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 01:11, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::Aw, come on! Its quite obviously supposed to be starscream, the head design is a slightly more g1-ifies version of michael bay starscream. The colors of the jet (what can be seen of it) are starscream colors, red air intakes, white nose area, and even a orange cockpit. It is highly unlikely this starscream homage isnt him, its clearly a more g1-ified version of michael bay starscream. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:13, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:::It's not uncommon for [[Blackout (Movie)|movie]] [[Grindor (ROTF)|characters]] to [[Crankcase (DOTM)|not]] [[Berserker|be]] who you think they are. Until Starscream is officially confirmed, we gotta play it safe. [[User:Ikkad|Ikkad]] ([[User talk:Ikkad|talk]]) 14:14, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::: Only one [[Barricade (Movie)|decepticon]] has been confirmed for the movie. Starscream has not been confirmed yet. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 19:34, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Get rekt, it’s confirmed as screamer now! [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 08:24, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
:The rudeness is hardly necessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:51, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, I meant it in a friendlier manner. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:53, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

The reason they had to make an official announcement was because you people kept speculating that it wasn't Starscream when it blattantly was. It's a soft reboot. He doesn't have to turn into a Dorito F-22 to be the same character. This has been common knowledge for months.[[User:Leo1452|King Kid]] ([[User talk:Leo1452|talk]]) 12:03, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
:Well I for one have always enjoyed crow when topped with a little (Whataburger) ketchup. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:55, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

This just in: That Scream is now Blitzwing. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:48, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:...that just in literally a month ago hence my last comment above. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 20:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

== /* Timeline and Continuity */ ==
This movie is a reboot because if not they should find the way to explain how Bumblebee fought in the WW2, because this movie is supposedly to be the first time Bumblebee came to Earth--[[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:29, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Can somebody edit in the fact that this is now officially a reboot since Hasbro has now officially confirmed it? [[User:DrXshock|DrXshock]] ([[User talk:DrXshock|talk]]) 17:51, 17 February 2019 (EST) 22:50, 17 February 2019 (GMT)
==toyline?==
Is there a toyline? I know the movie has a while to release, but we knew about titans return about a year before release. Why do t we know about this toyline?
[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

There might be. I have seen pictures showing a prototype of a volkswagen beetle Bumblebee ( redeco from TLK new bumblebee ) [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:29, 10 June 2018 (EDT

:The toyline will be absorbed into ''Studio Series.'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
==Is this really a reboot?==
I have heard that the reboot is cancelled, but the past events in the movies just don't match up.
Bumblebee went to earth with Hot Rod and fought in world war 2 (ww2) there. Instead the movie shows bumblebee's first time on earth.
So is this a start to the reboot or just a confusing event in the Bayformers Movies? [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
:Dude, it really doesn't matter right now, the movie isn't out yet. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

==bumblebee design==
Is it me, or does bumblebee kinda look like the cancelled alternators g1 bumblebee? If anyone else picks up on this, should we put it in the (currently nonexistent) trivia area that his design is possibly an homage to said toy? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:55, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

==female Decepticon==
A youtuber, AndySupreme99, claims that he saw the trailer at Cinemacon. He says that there is a female Decepticon. Have any of you seen the trailer he mentioned?
:We obviously know now that this was referring to Shatter, but for the record, we need a better source than "This YouTuber says..." next time. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:19, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

==new characters confirmed==
The director has confirmed that Cliffjumper, Soundwave and Shockwave will be on Cybertron. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 06:53, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:Source? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:47, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
::When I googled, I found a bunch of excited fan videos pointing back to a wordpress blog which mentioned Travis Knight in terms of his appearance at San Diego Comic Con, and then launched into a bunch of other details that were not obviously sourced to anything Knight said. I don't think we should be inclined to add them based on that. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

::Now we all know that it is true because of the second trailer, but we should get an official source first next time instead of info from a fan made video. [[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:38, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

== Can we not add pages for background randos who may or may not be characters? ==
Have people already forgotten when everyone though Blitzwing was actually Starscream? We shouldn't be saying Acid Storm is in the film, when there's the possibility that the green dude might well turn out to be a completely new character. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:38, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
:Sorry, I should've probably just waited or not do it at all instead of telling people to delete if they didn't like it. But I didn't think it would be taken to this extent where pages were being made. Once again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:09, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
::The first rule of wikis is that if there is a red link, *somebody* is gonna fill it. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 01:29, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream Part 2==
This fits better here than on Bltizwing's article's talk page, where I'd posted it first:

''We're swiftly disabused of that notion thanks to a barrage of familiar faces including Decepticon premiereship players Shockwave, Starscream and Blitzwing, all in their original, first generation forms.''

This is obviously an incorrect take on the trailer, as Blitzwing is assuredly not there in his "original, first generation form." We therefore can't take the article's identification of Starscream as definitive, especially given that this isn't the first time we've seen a Starscream-looking dude in a trailer, and he turned out named something else. Note that Starscream is not mentioned in any of the article's direct quotes of Travis Knight. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:I understand what you mean, but in the background of the Shockwave shot, we see a bot that looks different than Blitzwing, and has more similarities to Starscream. We can especially tell because the international trailer shows us Blitzwing's body. If this ends being Blitzwing ''too'' (for some reason) than sure. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::We cannot positively ID that guy as Starscream at this point, certainly not based on a sentence that contains at least one clear error. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:37, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Blitzwing being in his Generation One style form can just be the error, and that's it. And besides, if Starscream wasnt in the actual movie, wouldn't you think they would've scrubbed his name by now? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:49, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::A version of G1 Blitzwing does not appear in the trailer, and that mistaken impression by the author has not been corrected. That mistake renders the sentence unreliable. The author thinks that one Seeker on Cybertron is Starscream, and maybe it is, but we've been down the "this Seeker-looking dude is clearly Starscream" road once already, and we know how that turned out. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:58, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::One incorrect part of a sentence doesn't cancel out the whole sentence. It is true that Shockwave and other characters appear in their G1 style bodies. Let's get at a compromise. If the movie comes out and that Seeker in the background isn't Starscream, then, we remove it. But for now we keep it so we can remember. Dealio? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::No. What? No. When the movie comes out this'll all be moot. We're talking about what our articles are presenting to readers right now as confirmed facts about an upcoming release. And actually, yes, that one error does make the whole sentence unreliable, as it auggests that it's just the author's impression of the trailer and not info from an actual production source. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 19:13, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, let's just delete the Starscream stuff for now and see what happens. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:04, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Fine. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:17, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
Welp, looks like the new, short featurette made this guy look EVEN more like Starscream. By the way, I have "Starscream" hidden along with the other background bots; if the movie comes out, and it turns out this isn't Blitzwing or anyone else, then we can probably un-hide him, along with everyone else. Guess we'll find out soon! [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:48, 5 December 2018 (EST)

== Mr. Bee caption ==
I really don't care for it, but the context of that caption is that it's from the Bee Movie during the trial scene with Barry Vs. The Human Race. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:03, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:I know what it's from, I just think it's gross.
:Also Sipher removed it once already, and he's an admin, so. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 11:15, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
::Yeah, I totally agree. Just figured I might add some context. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:07, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:::Good news, its been taken care of in the form of the famous "You like Jazz?" [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 18:29, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

== Officialy Confirmed Characters ==
Recently characters like Arcee,Cliffjumper, Ratchet and Starscream were confirmed in an official featurette. Should we add them?[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:17, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:I feel like at this point we can afford to wait three weeks for the film to actually come out before adding tons of characters to the cast list. We've previously had shots of characters in trailers/preview material which have not been in the finished film. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:28, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::Besides, just because someone looks like a character doesn't mean they actually are. Remember "Starscream"? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:30, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::If the "featurette" is the video linked here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFv6JVFApk Bumblebee - First Generation Design - Paramount Pictures UK], there is nothing in that video that confirms those characters. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:46, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::::Seems to be referencing this TFW2005 article about that featurette http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/11/27/transformers-bumblebee-designing-g1-featurette-jointhebuzz-377449 Which includes some blurry screenshots with background characters circled. Which is not confirmation of who these characters are, especially since you can barely see them. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:57, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::::'''EDIT:''' Yeah, that. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 27 November 2018 (EST)

==The novel==
Warning: Spoilers!

The movie novel confirms that there is one more human character named Sheriff Lock who chases Bee and the humans in a tunnel before Bee damages his cop car by jumping on the hood. We should add him because this is from an official source.[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 11:00, 29 November 2018 (EST)
: Characters in novelizations don't always show up in the movie itself. There's no rush; we can wait a few weeks. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:02, 29 November 2018 (EST)

== The Hoover Dam in the Trailer. ==
This may be useless information, but it could also be of some interest to some.
I was born in Las Vegas and have lived here for most of my life.....I was born in the 70's BTW.
Anyways as a kid (and even now) I loved going to the Hoover Dam, so I know a bit about it's appearance throughout the years and decades.
So the movie takes place in 1988 right?
If that is the case the way the Dam looked in the trailer (I believe it was in the second trailer) is not correct for the time period.
The parking structure and new visitors center that can be seen on the west (Nevada) side the Dam in the trailer was built (added) in the mid 90's.
I did try to find some sample pics from the 80's online, but could not find any that were stamped for that time period. But I do have two post cards from my personal collection that I did get around that time, that shows how the Hoover Dam would appear in 1988. (I can send pics of them if need be).
So like I said this is not really important info about the movie, but I thought it should at least be said and addressed, you know for the whole "real world" "continuity" section or something. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 04:55, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I would suggest waiting until after the film is released before adding any real-world comparisons like that, so as to make sure it accurately reflects the final version. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:11, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I agree and that does makes sense, because they may change it, or perhaps the scene takes place at some other time period in the film, when I do see the movie I will let you know if it still is an issue. [[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 01:35, 5 December 2018 (EST)
:I just wanted to give a follow up to this subject that I began in the first place. I finally saw the movie, which was awesome BTW, and it seems that the shot of the Dam that was used in the trailer was NOT used in the final film, and the shot that was seemed to be done in such a way to not show any of those structures that I mentioned as being built after the 80's. So I have to say they (the director and editor) did a pretty decent job. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 03:04, 4 January 2019 (EST)

==thundercracker==
I’m not sure if it’s just a generic or not, but there’s a seeker colored suspiciously like thundercracker. Does anyone else think it’s thundercracker or is it just me? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 16:35, 14 December 2018 (EST)
:Dude, just wait a WEEK and you can find out for sure. Geez, what is this obsession people have with playing "wow, that blur in the background looks kind of like random character number 382. If I squint."?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:24, 14 December 2018 (EST)

==Open editing please?==
When will regular users be able to edit this? The movie's already out... [[User:Autoboty|Autoboty]] ([[User talk:Autoboty|talk]]) 05:18, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:"expires 21:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)". It's only 6:30 am on the East Coast. Not many have had a chance to see it yet... - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 06:26, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:For Christ's sake, would it kill people to just wait a few days and then add information? This does not need to be immediately added; in fact, it's better that it's not, because it gives you time to write up a concise summary. Just...chill. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:01, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:The article is unlocked now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:03, 21 December 2018 (EST)

== New universe ==
Since the new film is clearly settled in a new continuity, should we move the new informations of the characters in a separate section in their own pages or create totally new pages ? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:Same page, we would only make a new page if it's a new continuity family. There is also a discussion on how to tackle the Bee movie [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The Bumblebee Movie|here]]. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:26, 22 December 2018 (EST)

== Caption theme for this film? ==
So what is it this time around? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 00:33, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:It has been Bee Movie so far, don’t know if it’s going to change [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 00:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Bee Movie. There can be only one. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:01, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::''Hey, I've never seen the Bee Movie. I had no clue!'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:::I hear it made a real buzz at the box office! - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:04, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::::I will kill you. --[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:05, 28 January 2019 (EST)

== Sector Seven's "first contact" ==
The Sector Seven unit seen in the film calls the entire Bumblebee/Blitzwing fight, and later the meeting with Shatter and Dropkick as "first contact", which seems to imply that this is the first time that Sector Seven has seen Cybertronians. But as we know, at that point in time, Megatron and the Allspark are very clearly in possession of S7. Currently, this is stated to be a continuity error... But is there a chance that the Unit involved under Burns doesn't know of the entire story behind Megatron? Remember, in TF1, Banachek, said that the entire footage acquired from Transformers was deemed "beyond Top Secret." Using real-life Top Secrecy protocols, it isn't hard to imagine that even S7 wouldn't tell their field teams what was going on in their secret base, either A. because they simply don't have to know, or B. in case of interrogation, the soldiers can't tell anything useful.

The same can be said of allowing Shatter and Dropkick inside Hoover Dam: the field team could know the HQ, but wouldn't know the entirety of the story. And of course, the files that Shatter/Dropkick search through could be doctored, with some sensitive information removed or placed behind bars, allowing access but keeping some of the files a secrecy. Traces of Cybertronian-originated tech inside the files could simply be replaced with the cover-up stories S7 has used before, possibly even to the field teams.

Just a theory based on real-life protocols, and some careful speculation.

[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 07:34, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Given they cut a scene they filmed showing frozen ('''G1''') Megatron, they may or may not have Megs and the Allspark in the *Bumblebee* continuity. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:05, 27 December 2018 (EST)

:Admittedly it's been a while since I watched the 2007 film, but Megs was (a) found frozen (and offline?) and (b) kept frozen (and offline?), right? So they can still have him in the freezer and consider this first contact, because it was the first ''actual'' contact, with the words and the talking. Like many things with continuity between these movies, I think it can work if you squint. A lot. --[[User:Guntrip|Guntrip]] ([[User talk:Guntrip|talk]]) 05:54, 28 December 2018 (EST)
::If I were Sector 7, I would not consider Megatron's body to be first contact. And as Travis Knight made clear in interviews, Megatron does not cameo in this film because he is meant to be frozen at the Hoover Dam when the film is set. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 12:39, 28 December 2018 (EST)

== Bumblebee's potential design change ==
Wasn't 100% sure if this was noteworthy enough to add, so I figured I'd bring it up here first. The more complex toys, namely the Studio Series and Masterpiece figures, depict Bumblebee as having the traditional "car wings"- this is an element that is present in some promotional material as well, specifically with [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/92/ed/6e92edad8057c2a68dee54513fd80a59.jpg Entenmann's products showing Bee with his "wings"], leading me to believe it was a minor design change late into the game and not the result of general kibble. In the final film, as far as I can recall, his doors are just folded onto his back to give him a cleaner look. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:37, 4 January 2019 (EST)

== Cliffjumper's cameo ==
So I could just start a revert war, because 'NO' isn't a real persuasive argument, but I'll do this instead, 'cause I think I got a solid case.

In the last 20+ years of Transformers lore, Cliffjumper is famous for one thing and one thing only: showing up as a named, headlining character in a flagship TV show, only to be captured, interrogated and brutally murdered within minutes of his debut. This is ''by far'' the most distinctive and memorable thing the mythos-arc character of Cliffjumper has done. You gotta go back 35 years to him calling people traitor to find something similarly definitive.

Now for the movie scene on whatever moon it was, the writers could have chosen ''literally any character''. They coulda put Huffer or Gears or Cosmos or Windcharger or Blurr or Outback or a generic or ''anybody'' in that scene, but no. When they needed a character to be captured, interrogated, act defiant and get shockingly killed, they went to the one character whose ''defining trait'' is that he was ''captured, interrogated, acted defiant and got shockingly killed''.

If that seems like a reach, the bigger reach is saying that they just landed on that character ''totally by coincidence''; that out of 18 '84 Autobots and dozens of subsequent ones available, they just. so. happened. to pick that one, ''without'' being aware of his recent history. I don't buy that.

Now if we've heard from the scriptwriters or whoever added that character in there that, whoa, hey, wow, we had no idea that was a thing!, then that's different; but y'all gotta show me the money. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 12:46, 7 January 2019 (EST)
: Conversely, the interrogation scenes are different enough (Prime Cliffjumper gets his spark crushed, BB Cliffjumper is bisected) that I'd need to see it from the the scriptwriters that it was intentional. And being honest, I'm willing to be the reason why Cliffjumper was chosen to die was because he's about 95% the same model as Bumblebee's Cybertronian form, and thus was easy to do instead of some other all new guy.

: All in all, sometimes a similar scene is just a similar scene. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:42, 7 January 2019 (EST)

::I also call bull on the notion that Cliffjumper's "defining trait" is "get shockingly killed". On top of that, it further strains credibility of the claim to have just this one singular non-G1 non-movie reference out of aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the past-TF references in the movie, especially when, as noted, it involves a recycled model for a scene that would almost certainly predate the reshoots and added Cybertron footage. In a movie where they actually re-create specific shots from the old animation, you'd think they'd have done that there too if they were actually making the reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:04, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:Rob, they used Cliffjumper because Cliffjumper can use the same Cybertronian body that they already modeled for Bumblebee. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 14:16, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:: Fair enough, outvoted etc.
:: Not sure this comment works as an explanation, though. Of course they reskinned a model where it was an option, but they coulda reskinned anybody. They coulda killed off Bluestreak or Smokescreen or Outback or an obscurity or a generic. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 18:11, 8 January 2019 (EST)
::: The expanded Cybertronian scenes were a later addition, and so Bumblebee's Cybertronian mode was likely available much sooner. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:34, 8 January 2019 (EST)

Even if the authors didn't intend it, it still happened. We're the ones who spot the similarities and I'm on board with noting it on the page, though using phrases like "...is similar to..." as opposed to "...is inspired by...". Same thing goes with "homage," which assumes deliberate planning. Two things can resemble each other either on purpose or by accident, it's still fair to point out the resemblence. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:54, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:That's always been something we've ''actively'' avoided doing. We even have a template for it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:06, 7 January 2019 (EST)
::And I quote...
{{Notareference}}
::-- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:24, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:::Yeah, we are not filling up our references sections with things that we merely find similar. That's not what the references section is for. That's why we have the template. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:27, 7 January 2019 (EST)

==Seekers==
It says dirge is in the film, the only conehead you see clearly (and even has a pic on this site) is green. Also, the purple seeker on Cybertron resembles slipstream in colors more than it does Skywarp. Hell, it probably isn’t even either character, just a generic. I think we should remove the seekers names from the characters list besides starscream, as the others aren’t named. While starscream isn’t named in the film, the shots on Cybertron resemble his g1 self and he is the closest standing to shockwave in the scene with the green cone head. Starscream, Soundwave, and shockwave are all Megatrons generals, so it would make sense for them to be together with Megatron being gone. As far as I’m aware, starscream is the only seeker that can be safely associated with an established character. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 09:14, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Scroll down to Notes section. There's a reference to an EW article saying all the G1 characters in the opening Cybertron scene. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)
::I'm not sure how reliable that source is in this case. They can't spell Chris Latta. They state that the instructions for the coneheads were changed, when they were not. Various paragraphs mix the old toys and the new movies in confusing ways. And the quotation used to support Dirge's presence does not actually include his name, that is added by the author of the article and could be either saying that the specific conehead Dirge is in the movie or simply giving an example of a conehead from past fiction without saying what the names of any coneheads in the movie are (or even if they are named). Honestly, the writer needs to return not just the paycheck they received for that article, but also any and all diplomas, degrees, and certifications of education that they may have received. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:48, 10 January 2019 (EST)

So we can remove them from the list except starscream? He is thus far the only one who has enough to be inferred who he is. Just because he is named doesn’t mean it’s not him, shockwave goes unnamed in the film. See my first post if you are unaware of my reasoning. Sincerely [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 15:29, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Shockwave is named in the credits, by the way. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:23, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Thrust are explicitly named in the ILM visual development page (https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece/). Thus, I'd assume that there has been confirmation on their identities. [[User:Ed|Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed|talk]]) 02:31, 20 May 2019 (EDT)
:Dude, you're responding to a 4 month old thread. We are aware of the ILM source. We discussed it over a month ago in the section "Entertainment Weekly". But, given the fact that all of those mentioned there show up in MULTIPLE copies, the specific characters cannot be said to be in this film. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:10, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

== Shatter/Dropkick tracking Bumblebee error. ==
(First post here forgive me if I'm doing this wrong)

So I was reading the error section for this movie specifically how it claims that Shatter and Dropkick were tasked with tracking down B-127, while they do that after they detect his signal while interrogating Cliffjumper I didn't see anything in the film that indicated that they were hunting down Bumblebee specifically before that moment, since they were trying to find Prime it seems more likely that the two Decepticons were just tracking down and interrogating any Autobot they could for Prime's location and so happen to be near Bee while they were interrogating Cliffjumper, although this is just a theory perhaps they were tracking down Autobots this exact way with finding one and detecting signals of other Autobots and repeat the procedure until they find Cliff, again this part is just a theory but regardless nothing in the film indicates that the two Decepticons were looking for Bumblebee specifically prior to the Autobot beaming his signal.

The Blitzwing part however is fine and correct since it isn't explained how he was already there, either he was already on Earth (I mean he is a Seeker and maybe Seekers seek other worlds which is what they did in ROTF although they are presumably separate from the more classic versions in this movie) or he took off after Bumblebee's pod immediately after they launched whether specifically looking for Bee or was chasing his pod by chance. Although those are theories and not fact. --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 7:30, 12 January 2019 (EST)
:Yeah, I don't think the error as listed is correct. Shatter and Dropkick are hunting for Optimus, they happen to be interrogating Cliffjumper when they detect Bumblebee's signal and they go to find Bumblebee on the hunch he'll be more willing to talk. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:05, 23 January 2019 (EST)

== Just an idea ==
I don't know if there is a way we could do this but could we take a poll on whether people like the Bumblebee designs or the original movieverse designs better? Please don't hate me for this. I'm new here.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:09, 28 January 2019 (EST)
:TFWiki isn't the place for "social" stuff, that would be better suited for a Transformers discussion forum. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:54, 28 January 2019 (EST)

==Bumblebee's Place in Continuity==
It seems Hasbro referred to Bumblebee as [https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/02/16/transformers-brand-info-from-new-york-toy-fair-2019-fan-media-panel-hasbrotoyfair-383106 "a new storytelling universe" at the ToyFair panel over the weekend]. Now admittedly this statement is rather vague, but the general idea seems to imply the film is now a reboot, not a prequel to the Michael Bay franchise. I'm aware of the mass discussions in regards to the film's continuity prior to release, and I don't mean to dredge up old arguments, but I think this statement is atleast worth discussing. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:17, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:I don't see any point in discussing this until after the next movie.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:48, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:Christ, can people tamp down their continuity deckchair-shuffling boners for like three consecutive seconds. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 17 February 2019 (EST)
::I guess you can say it's ''pretty hard?'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:43, 17 February 2019 (EST)
: Is [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/travis-knight-talks-edits-continuity-and-turning-people-into-goo-in-new-interview/43204/ this good enough]? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:42, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

==Bumblebee Universal Designation==
Since the Bumblebee movie has been confirmed to be a reboot, and was obviously a new timeline in the first place, I propose we call the BB movie universe: Tyran 018.21 Delta. --[[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] 15:03, 15 March 2019 (EST)
:We've already discussed this, including right above your post. The statement they made was too vague to actually pull anything definitive from, so we're not making any calls about whether the movie is a prequel or reboot (and therefore requires a new designation) until we know what the next movie is. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::Also the movie is blatantly made to work either way (with allowances for how shoddy inter-film continuity is for the whole enterprise). If new movies do their own thing, that doesn't actually change how they approached and made this movie. And we're not using TT stream designations for anything anyway. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:32, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
:::That too. Unless something gets mentioned in future TransTech fiction (assuming there even is any), you probably won't see any new universal streams added to the wiki going forward. (Note that we don't have one for Cyberverse either.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:38, 15 March 2019 (EDT)

==Battletrap homage==
There's a note that states that Dropkick is an homage to Battletrap's appearance in "Cybertron's Most Wanted." Is there any evidence to back this up (say Travis Knight saying so like how he said Shatter is based on Nightbird), or is it just speculative? Because I don't remember hearing Mr. Knight saying anything about Dropkick's design. [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 10:57, 23 March 2019 (EDT)

== Entertainment Weekly ==
"An Entertainment Weekly article confirms some of the background characters in the scene set on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].<ref>[https://ew.com/movies/2018/12/22/bumblebee-spoilers-classic-transformers-opening-battle/2/ EW article on the Cybertron scene]</ref> "
Given all the errors in that article, I am tempted to just remove this from the page. How can we claim that it confirms anything when it gets so much wrong about the past? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:30, 24 March 2019 (EDT)
:I've pulled the note and removed the Seekers (other than Starscream) from the list. Find a source that is competent before re-adding. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:49, 27 March 2019 (EDT)
::[https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece From the horse's mouth.] Slide 28 concretely identifies them as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:49, 2 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Okay, that I can accept as a reliable source. The EW article I wouldn't even take as evidence for how to spell Entertainment Weekly, it was THAT bad.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:38, 4 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I wanna say that while obviously those Seeker colors were inspired by a few of the named Seekers over the years including being labeled as such in the concept art, I doubt those Seekers in the opening were those characters themselves only because the colors are reused for multiple Seekers, for example there are multiple "Thundercrackers" including the one Optimus pummels and the one Bumblebee knocks out of the way in vehicle mode before he knocks over and kills one of the many "Skywarps" in the scene, although it's possible any of these Seekers are indeed Skywarp,Thundercracker,Thrust,etc I'm not sure if that was the intent at the end, The colors I saw while watching a 4k version of the scene just today were besides the Thundercracker,Skywarp,Thrust ones there were the ROTF Dirge looking ones as well as an orange kind of Sunstorm Seeker that Bumblebee kicks a Skywarp head at and shortly before hand a mostly red Seeker in the background during the part where Bee knocks over two Seekers and finally there is a couple Seekers that uses Blitzwing's color scheme one of such is one of the Seekers that Prime shoots in the flashback and another is one of the many Seekers charging Prime at the end of the scene, funnily enough that one was right beside Shatter and Dropkick so that one might very well be Blitzwing himself but probably a coincidence, This fan made scale chart by Red Goblin (He's a very talented guy, I actually think he has some access or other to ILM renders, either that or he's really good at piecing together renders) while not an official source (probably) is a good film accurate showing of what colors were in the film. https://i.postimg.cc/2kRxjk5B/bumblebeeccons.png --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 5:46, 4 April 2019 (EST)

==pics==
I get why all the pics are of the bot scenes...but shouldn't Charlie be in a few? Swapping the final image for example from one at the bridge to Prime and Bee seems to run counter to the fact that she's the the primary protagonist. {{unsigned|Eire}}
:I agree. At the moment the selection of screencaps is giving a completely inaccurate impression of the film. We have more screeencaps featuring Soundwave than we do of Charlie (and the one that does is just the back of her head). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

== Digital comic ==
Question: the recent comic (Sector 7 adventures: the battle at half dome) released with the dvd has many elements that connect Bumblebee movie with the 2007 Transformers movie (like Banachek, Simmons's S7 t-shirt, Soundwave looking for the AllSpark, Megatron frozen etc...); so can we add those informations in this page? [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:That information would be better suited to a Battle at Half Dome page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:04, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::Yes, I know I know, but what I was saying is that (for example) in the section "continuity notes" there is written that the S7 doesn't know the Cybertronians and there is also written a supposition that project Iceman is so secret that only a small portion of employees knows about it. I asked if there could be done a link saying these theory is supported by the comic. [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:::Probably not. I guarantee you the scriptwriters were not thinking about any comic adaptations when the movie was being written; in its own self-contained context, there is no explanation. Besides, if there's anything we've learned from the Bumblebee Prequel, it's that the events of a comic tie-in can't be treated as lining up precisely with, or having any influence on, movie canon. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:23, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Ok thanks. {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:::::Just one last question: if what you're saying is true, why in Bumblebee's notes (character, not movie I mean) about his arrival on earth is made mention to the IDW comics? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
::::::Character articles cover all of a character's appearances in all works of fiction, even when they're incompatible with one another. Hence why the "IDW Comics" section is placed separately on the page from the "Movies" section. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:51, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
:::::::OK Thanks

== Escape Pods/Protoform ==
Does anyone else notice the Escape pods resemble the protoform reentry modes of the Michael Bay Movies? Would it be alright if I made a note of that in the Trivia section of the Protoform' page? Or is only having minor resemblance not conclusive evidence enough to make a note of it in the trivia section of that Protoform' page?

== The movie is no longer a prequel, it's a reboot ==

When the movie finally came out, it was declared to be a reboot officially. Shouldn't the page be altered to reflect that? Here is at least one source: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/streaming-june-2020-netflix-disney-plus-hulu-hbo-max/ --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

Talk:Optimus Prime (Movie)

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Luka1184: /* Bumblebee movie Prime should have his own page */ new section

Prime's offical bio was released a few days ago. Shouldn't it go in here?

Read your talk page more often. Explanation was there. Suffice to say, posting the bio, word for word, is a no-no.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 11:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I never read my talk page. Who in their right mind would want to talk to me

The captions under the pictures in this article are inapropriate and rude {{unsigned|Pirakafreak24}}
:I'm sorry you lack a sense of humor. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

==Unreleased Toy?==
My friend recently sold me a "prototype Mcdonalds" O.P. for 4 bucks along with some other figures. Teletraan 1 does not have an entry on this odd toy, and I am gretly curious as to what the heck this toy is: [img]http://gallery.zealot.com/data/500/medium/000_0017.JPG[/img]

==Top image==

Derik, on-screen Movie characters need to have Dreamworks images at the top of their pages. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:...why? If a character appears in multiple media we seem to pick whatever shows the character off best. This book (being a retelling of the movie) probably isn't the best example, but if we got a great image of Prime by Geoff Senior in the UK Mag, can we never use that?
:(I'm not disagreeing that there ''is'' a good argument for reverting to the original picture,but I'm not sure I agree with your statement that Dreamworks renders are ''automatically'' the only acceptable main image. Frankly, I think a ''lot'' of Dreamworks images look bad when not in motion.)

-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:Because we need the top-quality Dreamworks renders on every on-screen character's page in any case, and putting them on top creates consistency like a legitimate encyclopedia. You added a ''great'' image, but it belongs down further. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::I still prefer that render of the actual CG model used in the movie than the low-res, low-detail promotional CG model render we're using now. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Yes, let us use that one. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Apparently we can't. They decided that the movie design looked ugly and that was the end of discussion, evidently. I, on the other hand, think the lower-detail design from late 2005/2006 that the toys are based upon looks... incomplete (I mean the front of the hood just becomes these little nubs under his windows!) and not as visually impressive as the final version. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:10, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:''Images removed''

I'm looking at these 4 images- and I'm really not seeing the huge differences between the designs of 2 and 3 that you're describing. Where does his hood go on #2 version that it doesn't in #3? #3 looks liek a rougher, simpler (better proportioned) model, but of the final design to me. And ''any'' way you cut it, i think #1 and #2 are the ''ugliest'' pictures in this lineup.

<nowiki>#</nowiki>1's shoulder is coming out of his crotch, for instance. If the final image misleads the eye about spatial relationships then it's ''badly composed''. The abstract knowledge that it is a 3d model and thus spatially perfect does not change the fact it it a terrible 2D image. #3 has displeasing proportions- and frankly is boring and inspiring, capturing none of Prime's character. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if it matters to anyone. But I prefer images 3 and 4. #1 is AWEFUL. #2 is boring. #3 is decent. #4 Is the best image, objectively, but of course isn't CGI.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::It' not like we're locked into the CGI- we don't use it for [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'s main image. If anything we seem to like having [[Terrorsaur (BW)|some variety]] to the sources we use. That said- this ''is'' Prime, and I'd like to have a Dreamworks image if we could find one that doesn't suck. It's not like we're locked into 'Okay it MUST be one of the Dreamworks promo images,' or that any image we choose is permanent. Once the Blue-ray of the movie comes out we'll have lots of images to choose from (Not the mention the promised intermezzo story.)
::I happen to think [http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/we_are_waiting.jpg this] is a gorgeous image, and even though it's of Prime's back, it captures something central to his character, and unique to the Movie version, the decision to make Earth not just a second home like in every other continuity ever- but an ''only'' home. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:What does the first picture have to do with anything? That's the old design anyway, and it seems most people hate that pose. The hood on the final model is more obviously hood-shaped and sits there on his torso. On the earlier design, they become red, for a lack of a better word, ''shapes''. It is, by comparison, a poor CG model to the actual movie one, and the only thing going for it is its HEROIC POSE. But I can already see that maintaining such a differing opinion will be to no avail. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::You're all disdainful of the heoric pose. Why? Do you think that the main image should be lifeless and dead as long as it's correct? It's not like these are the only two renders of Prime out there. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:::I'm not a fan of the model, not the pose. Those stupidly long blue things on his forearms appear to have been shorted or folded on the movie model. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me that for an article on movie Prime, the picture should be one of his actual movie appearance, rather than an adaption of that appearance from other media. It just seems more...relevant. Also, despite the plethora of suitable images out there, there isn't a single, clear, full-body shot of Prime's movie appearance on the page. Does that seem right to you? Also, we have to think of what people want when they search for something; if they're searching for movie Prime, it's movie Prime we should give them first and foremost, rather than an adaption.
:You're replying to a 6 year old conversation. I think the image we have now was decided on after this conversation. (also, sign your posts.[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 22:14, 20 August 2013 (EDT)

Could we please change the main picture, that cartoonish picture really threw me off when I first started using this website. Why not use one of the many Cgi renders from the 3 movies? [[User:SoundWave|SoundWave]] 15:27, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
:No. We don't change an image just cause 1 person doesn't like it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 15:34, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
::It seems with all the promo renders out there we could have found something better than that, it dosen't even look that accurate, with the colors. But maybe this is just me. [[User:SoundWave|SoundWave]] 15:40, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
::The only real guideline for mainpics is that they depict the character in their original Earth form. There's no reason that they have to be sourced from the media that created those models. For instance, several TFP characters use art from a How To Draw TF Prime book for their mainpic rather than renders of the show model. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 15:53, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
:::In general, we aim for variety. -[[User:LV|LV]] 15:56, 14 September 2013 (EDT)

==Fiction==

Someone else had already added in some information from the prequel comics in the top paragraph, so I just rearranged it to the bottom with a spoiler tag. If we're not supposed to put fiction in yet, I'm sorry. -[[User:EricMarrs|EricMarrs]] 14:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== EW Interview canonical? ==

How do we want to treat the new Entertainment Weekly intereview with movie Prime? It was apparently written by the screenplay writers and was (likely?) approved by Hasbro to see print, does that make it official canon? We HAVE set a president of a sort by counting things like [[Toaster]] and the "ask vector prime" info, though those were from first party sources and this is in a second party source but was likely approved by first party? So, um yeah, is that official enough? I ask because though tounge-in-cheek it mentions things like movie Ratchet's wedding that might deserve a passing light-hearted mention on his page. If we are taking Toaster and Blaster's sister as cannon then is this any different? Thoughts? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 01:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:I don't know how likely or not it was to have been Hasbro approved. Given how meta-jokingly it's written -- with Optimus and Megatron being actors who play Optimus and Megatron in the movie, Megatron being such a method actor it's best to avoid him when he's in-character because he might vaporize you -- I'm not really sure how to treat it as "canon."

:Also, I feel I must nitpickingly point out that, technically, the reference isn't to ''movie'' Ratchet's wedding, as that answer comes in response to a question about whether Optimus kept up with "his old Autobot buddies from the show," and we of course are treating the movie and G1 characters as separate entities. ;) --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

::I agree it's a tricky call, which is why I bring it up. I'd guess anything written by the screenwriters as promo for the movie in a major publication like EW would have had to have some kind of official OK/oversite. The "meta" side of it, being tounge in cheek and breaking the third wall and all that is an issue too, but at the same time we include things like the tounge-in-cheek, third-wall-breaking Botcon scripts, UK letters page, and ask Vector Prime which all proceed from similar footing. It's worth debate at least. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 03:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

In a similar vein, what about Sarah Silverman being a Transformer? All that MTV awards show shpiel had to have been approved at least by Dreamworks. It's no more ridiculous than any of the other examples listed above. Less funny, but that's Sarah Silverman for you. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

== OP's face ==

Should it be added in that Optimus will still have his retractable face plate as seen in earlier concept work (now confirmed by official screenshots) and that he looks a lot like a robotic Peter Cullin? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 02:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== What went wrong? ==

What the fuck just happened? I edited the "Fast Action Battlers" section, and now it's fucked up! What did I do wrong? Does this Wiki have a mind of it's own, and it craves incorrect information, thus if I try to correct it it screws me over?

I honestly dont know either bud. I wish they would say SOMTHING more then what their saying about all of the Fast Action battlers. A wiki should be unbais. Btw: Since this is the talk page, I just thot I'd throw in an OPINION, but my OPINION is that I think Fast action Starscream, Ratchet, and Brawl are pretty close to the "real" versions of them, and a nice alternative when u wanna save a few bucks. (with the latter...the former..not so much, but its a nice alternative to him, and the cannon is more accurate)--[[User:Chipmonk3288|Chipmonk3288]]

== FAB and G1 prime two-pack ==
"For some reason the Classics Prime toy is designated "1984 Optimus Prime", even though he was released in 2006." I'd love to edit out this stupidity, but last time I tried it screwed up the format of the text. Can somebody tell me what I did wrong, or just fix the mistake themselves? --[[User:MrMania|Sav]] 10:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:What's wrong with it? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

::And don't call my work stupid. I'm responsible for most of the toy sections on this wiki these days,and most are uncompromisingly 'straight' in comparison to the rest of this place. That was a moment of left-of-field levity - I was pointing out the fact a crappy G1 Prime toy from 2006 that sort of looks like G1 Prime is flogged as '1984 Prime' even though he ''technically'' isn't. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:::It's meant to represent G1 Prime, and it does a fairly good job, because I think "g1" when I look at the toy. No matter, though, it seems to have been corrected.--[[User:MrMania|Sav]] 08:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

== Leader class figure factory irregular ==

I recently picked up a leader class prime and when I tried to transform it, one of its elbows wouldn't bend. at first I thought it was the screws, but upon closer inspection, the two arm parts had fused solid! is it my figure or a larger oversight on hasbros part?

== Peter cullen figure? ==

I want pics. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
: [http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=view&album=Collection%2Fact442&pic=movie_robot_vision_optimus_prime08.jpg&dispsize=1000&start=0 Bam.] [[User:70.55.207.104|70.55.207.104]] 09:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

==spare pic==
<nowiki>[[:Image:MovieOptimusPrime_promorender2.jpg|Old low-detail promo render pic]]</nowiki> --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

==Main pic==
How about we discuss it before changing the picture? Especially (as I pointed out in the image talk of render3), this old render picture is based on the outdated design. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:There's been more discussion on this ''somewhere'' where we went full-circle around ''this is not the final design / the final design has less pleasing proportions / there are no CGI images of the final design that doesn't look goofy''.
:Does anyone have the DK I-0can-read book 'Meet the Autobots'? The hand-illustrated image of Optimus Prime standing on Earth on the final page is (I think) the final design, and I think it'd make a ''fantastic'' main pic for the article. (Unfortunately I bought the guidebook instead, so... anyone want to scan?) -04:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
::Oh man, we totally ''need'' to have that picture on the article somewhere. It's fantastic. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 21:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:::In the book this images occurs (I think) ''after'' the closing monologue of the movie, with Optimus thinking that 'life is good' on his new home. Could it go at the end of the movie section? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:Can we change it now? There has got to be something better. How about [[:Image:Defiance4 coverA.jpg|this]] or [[:Image:Defiance4 coverA original.jpg|this]]. There used to be a ROTF poster of Prime out there. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:16, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
::Hearing no objection... - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]]
:::I think it would be badass if we used a screenshot of him cutting off Bonecrusher's head with the caption "Freedom is the right of all sentient be ... oh slag that."[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 15:30, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I think LG or one of the recent TV spots has a shot of Prime with his Ion Blaster out and about to shoot someone in the head (I guess). If we could get a good, clear shot of that, that would be awesome.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 19:08, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

== Siblings? ==

I know that OP calls Megatron "Brother" in the movie, but are they actually siblings, or was Optimus speaking metaphorically (as Optimi tend to do)? If it's stated in the prequel comics, that's fine, but if it's only from one line in the movie I have to contend it. -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, they are siblings. Its in the comics, kids books, novelisation ect, as I understand it. They toned down the reference to that one line in the movie for some reason, as the references were apparently more prevalent in the older draft. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:57, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

:I thought he was just having a Hulk Hogan momemt. -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 06:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== His father ==
So one of the video games has a cutscene where Optimus says to Jazz that Megatron "took my father's spark". Did Activision bother to give the brothers' father a NAME in any of the games? -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:Not the console version.--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 01:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Another fun addition ==

I added basic information about the new "First Strike" Prime. Should be enough to suffice.

== Videos mentioned in the trivia section... ==

I've only found poor quality videos from YouTube of that Burger King and the MTV thing - do higher res/quality ones exist? (And should we put links in so people can see them? I honestly didn't know about them until I read the page).

== Giftcard and DVD Case Primes ==

Okay, I've hot a question... The Target giftcard and DVD cases that unfold into flat versions of Optimus Prime... Do they belong in the Merchandise section, and if so, does anyone have decent pictures of them? --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 18:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

== Rearranging the toy list? ==

Should we rearrange the toy list sorted by molds? Currently it's a mess, it doesn't even exactly follow the release order; and even though Robo-Vision Prime ''was'' released ''after'' regular Voyager Prime, having them listed in this order and then calling Robo-Vision Prime a "redeco" of Voyager Prime is kinda iffy.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
: So. Any objections to this?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 11:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
::Robo-Vision Prime preceded Voyager Prime by a very hefty margin. Technically Voyager Prime's the redeco here.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Voyager Class shoulder cannons?==

Ok, I bought First Strike Optimus and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get his shoulder cannons to lower. I thought they would work like Classics Optimus but they don't. Whats the trick to getting this to work?{{unsigned|68.45.124.176}}

==Mouthplate==

Is it worth to note that he's only shown(as far as i know) without his mouthplate ONLY in the movie?--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 21:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
: There's a Robot Heroes figure without the mouthplate. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
::And he's in a Burger King commercial without the mouthplate, too.[[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 13:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

==dashes==

For eff's sake, I'm not TRYING to change the dashes - I don't care what they look like, I don't care which kind you use, I don't care if every page on the wiki uses tildes and umlauts instead of real punctuation. it '''happens automatically on these "this page may be too big" pages,''' which seems to be the point Interrobang missed. Once again: It's not intentional; it just happens. I don't know why, so I can't fix it. But by that same token, would you quit just plain old reverting the edit? The other stuff is minor, but it's not irrelevant - at least, not as irrelevant as it could be. It's on-topic with the subjects it's in. So by all means, please, fix th dashes that I've screwed up - but stop reverting the other bits. Please? Yeesh![[User:71.207.12.70|71.207.12.70]] 07:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
:You seem to be ignoring the fact that I consider your actual additions minor and unnecessary. Regardless, "it happens automatically on these "this page may be too big" pages" makes very little sense, considering that it isn't consistent on whether it replaces the em dashes with "hyphen-hyphen-space" or "space-hyphen-space". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 09:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
::Hey, beats me—I'm no Firefox programmer. But just because you consider my additions unnecessary, it doesn't mean they actually are. Yeah, they're minor—I said as much. But unnecessary? Your opinion. Which you're only acting upon, I'd wager, because you're in a snit about the dashes. Am I wrong?[[User:71.207.12.70|71.207.12.70]] 05:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

== Premium Prime Eyes ==

Will they glow blue instead of yellow like the original Leader toy? If they do, it needs to be mentioned. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 13:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:the box shows blue, but it is still yellow unfortunately--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:07, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Red is Hard To Film? ==
In the 1970's TV show "Emergency!" featured many red fire trucks and the crew did not special measures to film them. Therefore, red is not a hard color to film.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency! [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 01:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:I'm sure this isn't the only example of red vehicles ever being filmed. But Emergency!, being a TV show, was probably filmed on video, and not on... you know, film. I don't know whether red vehicles being hard to film is some weird general thing I'd never heard of before this movie, or whether it has something to do with the special effects, but I'll take the professionals' word for it.
::When I heard that in the commentary, I asked somebody who films stuff, and they said it's hard to get it to look consistantly the same color. He also said lighting can make it look very orange at times. --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 04:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:::In my meager experience with Shake and film editing, I know red can be a bitch to color correct.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
It seems I have been misinformed. Thank you all for the clarification. [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 17:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Why were my edits removed? ==

Peter Cullen did say that.
I was just trying to make the images work better. [[User:208.190.203.162|208.190.203.162]] 23:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

== Shall I include to this page? y/n ==
Someone got arrested at an airport for wearing a TF2007 Optimus Prime T-shirt? [[http://gizmodo.com/394544/optimus-prime-t+shirt-transforms-into-arrest-threat-at-airport source]] [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 21:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:I think it's fun trivia, especially if you contrast it with the fact that Megatron's always been the perceived [[For safety reasons|safety hazard]]. I'd link to [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7431640.stm this BBC article] instead, though, since it's a more mainstream, firsthand source. Also, he wasn't actually arrested. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Prime's Great Plan ==

Acknowledging that yes, the entry ''is'' fairly tongue-in-cheek to begin with, is the last trivia bit really fair? Obviously, Megatron was powerful, and nothing we'd want tromping around Earth any longer than he had to be. Without the All Spark for which he came to Earth to begin with, though, I don't recall him having the power to obliterate Earth. In fact, between the remaining Autobots and their good friends in the U.S. military, who showed during the battle of Mission City that no, not even Megatron was not invulnerable against heavy weapons fire... well, I'm hesitant to call the outcome either way, but it doesn't like the kind of foregone conclusion/idiotic plan the entry makes it out to be. Any thoughts? - [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 04:41, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

==Seen ROTF, want to change main caption SO BAD==
To "I will cut off your face!" It's especially awesome with our new main image. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:35, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

* On that subject, if this continuity's Optimus is a violent rebel, does that mean his [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]] equivalent is a benign dictator? [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 05:39, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:Nah, he's a decadant Nero-like emperor. <tt>Freedom is the right of all sentient beings... in bed.</tt> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:41, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:That is so Prime! I kinda like this violent bloodthirsty Prime.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 07:53, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

== Introduction ==

Should we change the introduction to reflect current continuity as established in [[Transformers: Defiance|Defiance]], or just keep it as it is? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:24, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:I'd favor scrapping this intro altogether and starting anew. Intro notes aren't supposed to be summaries of events like this, theyr'e suppsoed to be about the character's personality, connections abilities etc.
:When the movie first came out, the only thing that set him apart from the other Optimus Primes was his backstory. Since then he's developed his own personality quite a bit. He's speechier than the original Prime, and fightier. (And crazier. I think he's still Abraham Lincoln + John Wayne... but his Wayne side is from ''The Searchers''.)
:The brother stuff needs to be relegated to trivia too-- it got cut from the 2007 movie itself, and the 2009 movie seems to throw it out altogether. It's a teardown-and-redo. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:47, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

== Trailer super mode ==
It appears that Prime at some point in production of ROTF would get a trailer, and would combine with it to get a [[Super Mode]]: http://www.joshnizzi.com/oproughs.html --[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 13:35, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
:That's [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire's]] parts he's combined with. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 22:19, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
::That's not Jetfire. It says 'Trailer Suit'. Jetfire is not a trailer! [[User:Gearshift|Gearshift]] 14:50, 29 July 2009 (EDT)

== Prime and faces ==

Movieverse Optimus Prime seems to have a habit of ripping his opponents' faces off. Should we list this as a trait? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 22:17, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
:The 'GIVE ME YOUR FACE' joke in the image captions is getting annoying and repetitive. What should be done about it? [[Special:Contributions/81.155.131.13|81.155.131.13]] 06:05, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

The "GIVE ME YOUR FACE" joke is hilarious and makes my day.

Seconded. Also, sign your posts. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:43, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:It's already in the trivia and the joke stays.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 04:56, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::Good. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:05, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

== I have a massive gallery if anybody wants screencaps from both movies. ==

Optimus has some of the best facial expressions, but they go by SO fast.

Anyway, I have a huge gallery of over 200 Optimus movie screencaps from both films. They're up for grabs if anybody wants to use them in articles or whatever.

http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/24a8bf8847330ed806d929dbf28b6627/

[[User:CH|CH]] 17:06, 23 November 2009 (EST)
==Make Optimus Prime Talk==
Remember that contest where "do a barrel roll!" won but Hasbro chickened out of using it? Where's the page for that.{{unsigned|24.192.196.242}}
:[[Make Prime Speak|Right here]]. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:08, 27 July 2010 (EDT)

==Bio==
Think it needs updating to bring in the Foundation and Rising Storm character elements? [[User:Eire]] 16.09 (BST) 28 May 2011

== Trailer/Flight..., thing? ==

Do we have an article for his DOTM... thing?

The DOTM novelization calls it his "weapons pack" (p352,) but also notes that the "flight equipment" (p356) is it's "true form" as opposed to the trailer or weapons base modes.

The Junior Novel uses "flight harness" and "mobile battle kit", which I find vastly preferable unless we have more official terms. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:53, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:To throw another one in, it's an Armored Weapons Platform in the [[Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:01, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
::Armored Weapons Platform is a proper noun unlike the others, and it's a sensible term.
::What do you think, [[Armored Weapons Platform]] converts to trailer and flight harness? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:38, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:::It's far from clear that all the things that transform out of Prime's trailer are the exact same trailer. And the Ultimate Prime's armor is called the Omega Combat Armor, as I recall...which is of course the same trailer in trailer mode as the rest of them. I assume the "mobile battle kit" specifically refers to the armory mode, but it seems like the most generic of these official terms. -[[User:LV|LV]] 18:30, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
::::The Mobile Battle Kit phrase does indeed come from the Chernobyl sequence of the Jr. Novel when it unfolds into that armory-ring.
::::Is there a decent shot of the trailer in one of the officially released, um... ''trailers'' or commercials? Otherwise I'm going to nab one from the video game launch trailer. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:41, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

== Did the Matrix of Leadership ==

Somehow give Optimus a vision of the past? In the novel and in the movie, he has a line to which he counters the Fallen that alludes to him knowing of the original primes, when he did seem to know of them before, right? Should this be noted on the article? It seems like, maybe, a plot point that was sort of forgotten, the importance of Optimus's ancestry. --[[Special:Contributions/205.250.176.157|205.250.176.157]] 00:50, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

== Walkaround Character ==

[[Image:USH-Walkaround-Optimus-Prime.jpg|right|thumb|200px|]]
Universal Studios Hollywood has walkaround versions of Bumblebee and Optimus Prime. I'm sure they should be mentioned somewhere on the page, but I'm not sure where. --[[User:Pjdonnell|pjdonnell]] 21:39, 13 October 2012 (EDT)

==New May 2015 layout==

Definitely a clearer layout than the old one; we lose some of the chronology but the ease of navigation makes up for it. Roll on this elsewhere! [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 16:04, 20 May 2015 (GMT)

== Main Picture ==

Could someone change it to actually from the film? I'd prefer that over comic Prime. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 18:10, 9 July 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
:No. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:11, 9 July 2019 (EDT)
I don't really care, so whatever. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 20:49, 1 September 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

== Bumblebee movie Prime should have his own page ==

Is this page meant to be about any live-action movie that will eventually be made where Optimus is part of it, or is it specifically Bayformers live-action? Because if so, the ''Bumblebee'' bit shouldn't be included on this page seeing as the movie was declared a straight-up reboot when it finally came out and as such is no longer part of the Bayformers continunity, isn't a prequel and can't even be called spin-off of those movies anymore, even though it began as such. --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:32, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers timeline

2017-07-10T09:31:57Z

Luka1184: /* Joke overkill */

Should we have 70's entries, for things like Diaclone being released in Japan, maybe even some specific dates, if we know them (what date various series premiered, TFTM's theatrical release, etc?) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 14:21, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

: I can't think of a good reason not to. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:21, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

: Shouldn't we categorize this somehow? Or make it readily available from the main page? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::II would think this would fall udner the same category as an article on a Botcon, which lists dates, attendance number,s keynote speakers, etc. Nonfictional information. (I have no idea if we have such a category though.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

"The Transformers launches in the US, in toy, comic and cartoon formats, forever ruining Transformers." Genius. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 18:36, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

My hat is off to whoever added that bit about "The dawn of time". [[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 02:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I noted the new preview of ''Transformers Animated''. Fans don't seem to be taking it that badly now. Instead of "RUINED FOREVER", we just get "RUINED". [[User:67.160.13.149|67.160.13.149]] 22:49, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I love how the first recorded fan reaction for Transformers is plain compaining and bashing... XD -[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 23:56, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

==Dawn of time==
As much as I agree with it, I dunno if those jokes have a place here. ...at least, in the body of the article itself. Now, fit it in a caption, and we have cart blanche. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:Despite my objections, I have fixed some errors. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

:what day of the week was October 23? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
::I dunno. My Windows calendar doesn't go back that far. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Sunday --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 04:23, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:Also, the footnote should probably note that while the date referred to is G1:1, the date in question was calculated by all the begatting. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
::I guess we could put the "note" with [[Wikipedia:Image:God2-Sistine Chapel.png]] and remove the bullet point, but I don't think it has the same panache. Thanks for correcting my errors, anyway; I forgot it was 6,000 years before ''now'', not Christ. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 04:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

==De-snarking==
In like the of the recent deletions and reversions, I think this page actually could stand to be totally de-snarked, and would be better off purely as straight forward information. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:26, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
:I completely disagree. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:32, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
::Well, to cite a specific problem I have with it, things like "Everyone loves "Transformers 2000," but they hate Robots in Disguise" don't do much to help accurately convey information to people unfamiliar with the history of the brand and its fandom. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 22:59, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Footnote it! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:18, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
::::It would take quite an extensive footnote to explain the history of the non-existant "Transformers 2000." and to clarify that not "everyone" loved it, and that not "everyone" hated RiD. And we'd need plenty more footnotes for the other jokes here, too. How about we just make this article more focused on being user-friendly for readers looking to familiarize themselves with the history of Transformers, and forget about the self-amusement? Or is that crazy talk? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:25, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Have you seen the size of this thing? We're well past "user-friendly" and well into "established you're a dork about this if you're reading it" already. Plus, you know, there's the capability to link to the RID page that discusses TF2000 right in the article. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:02, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

==Time Frame==
Or whatever you call the eras of BC and AD. Not to be a stickler about this, but does anyone think that we should change the BC and AD time frames to BCE and CE? Yeah, we've been using the former for quite a few centuries, but since almost everything else in this world (and on the internet) has changed to the whole ''Common Era'' thing, anyone think we should? I'd be more than happy to do it, but not [[AU]] because, well, you know.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 20:46, 13 June 2009 (EDT)
:It's been a week, I'm doing it.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 13:00, 19 June 2009 (EDT)
::Whatever. Unless BC/AD is used in the fiction. The only instance I can think of that happening is in [[A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur's Court (episode)|the one cartoon episode]]. Actually I would prefer to use "[[MYA|millions of years ago]]" when appropriate and avoid the whole thing. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:43, 19 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I noticed that after you reverted it and realized that AD would be the time era they would use in those times (it's been a couple years since I seen the episode). The only reason I went and changed the era names (there's only a few that actually use these names) is because I doubt a race of alien robots would use terms like Before Christ and The Year of Our Lord (only in Latin).--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 13:50, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

==Ruined Forever==
Look, I get why this was trimmed back, but god damnit, Hassenfeld Brothers "ruining the textile remnant industry forever" is hilarious and you know it. (Alternate caption: "Fans of textile remnants remain critical, however." -hx at work

== Joke overkill ==

Look, I love the "Ruined FOREVER" gag just as much as anyone else, and it definitely needs to stay on this article, but I think this article's taken it a ''little'' bit too far now. It's like every other sentence ends with "ruined FOREVER" now - it's threatening to become as tired as the things Bonecrusher hates. Incidentally, he hates how this article's overusing this gag.--[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] ([[User talk:Spin-Out|talk]]) 13:20, 7 March 2016 (EST) (edited to elaborate more)
:I really think it should only apply to things that they really said ruined it, too. It's funny to use it sarcastically a few times, but to apply it to Transformers Prime kills the joke, in my opinion. That's what I call the low hanging fruit of jokes. When you use it so obviously and predictably. In addition to TF: Prime being a smash hit with most fans, although that doesn't mean you can't make jokes about the show. --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 05:31, 10 July 2017 (EDT)

User talk:Luka1184

2015-07-21T21:34:31Z

Luka1184:

{{welcome}}
Hello. When we revert one of your edits, it's probably a good idea to go look at our edit comments to see why, rather than just putting it back up again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:10, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
:It's been a very long time since I was here, so I don't even know what this was about. Do you remember ItsWalky? --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 08:13, 24 October 2014 (EDT)

==Categories==
The various '[specific franchise] weapons' categories are sub-categories of the main 'Weapons' category, so there's no need to add it separately to articles. Thanks. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 08:45, 24 October 2014 (EDT)
:Then I'd argue that we shouldn't have the main categories to begin with. Especially considering how other people before me have already added similiar articles to them. It seems very impractical the way it is now. --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 09:18, 24 October 2014 (EDT)
::Having nested categories helps organize the articles better. Please do not add redundant categories to pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:08, 24 October 2014 (EDT)
::Jalaguy, Mimi and myself have all told you that these categories that you are adding are unnecessary, please save youself and us the trouble and stop adding them.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:17, 24 October 2014 (EDT)
:::I am confused as to what the reason is for repeating what others have said before you? Sorry, I don't want to sound rude, but I did stop doing what you're talking about as soon as the other people told me to stop... I am sorry, I just don't like reduncy. I don't think it leads anywhere :) --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 17:34, 21 July 2015 (EDT)

User talk:Luka1184

2014-10-24T13:18:17Z

Luka1184:

User:Luka1184

2014-10-24T12:16:43Z

Luka1184:

Hello there. My name is '''Lukas'''. This is my userpage. Though there's not really much to say right now. I could talk about my history with the ''Transformers'' fandom. I may eventually add more things to this page. Now it's at least up. Again, hello everybody!

User:Luka1184

2014-10-24T12:14:31Z

Luka1184: Created page with "Hello there. This is my userpage. Though there's not really much to say right now. I could talk about my history with the Transformers fandom. I may eventually add more things..."

Hello there. This is my userpage. Though there's not really much to say right now. I could talk about my history with the Transformers fandom. I may eventually add more things to this page. Now it's at least up. Again, hello everybody!

User talk:Luka1184

2014-10-24T12:13:14Z

Luka1184:

Path Blaster

2014-10-24T12:12:07Z

Luka1184: This article should also be included in the "Technology" and "Weapons" categories, so I added it to them. If anyone disagrees, feel free to revert.

{{disambig2|the weapon from ''Fall of Cybertron''|the experimental Decepticon cannon|Pathblaster}}
[[Image:FOC Path Blaster.jpg|thumb|right|250px]]
The '''Path Blaster''' is a semi-automatic weapon that fires dense packets of molten metal with a good deal of accuracy. There are a number of common modifications to the basic model, perhaps none so remarkable as the so-called "Gambler" upgrade, which inserts an explosive synthetic [[Destronium]] round randomly into every magazine.

==Games==
===''Fall of Cybertron''===
[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] used a Path Blaster as his primary weapon during the final days of the evacuation from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. The weapons were also commonly carried by [[Infiltrator (FOC)|Infiltrators]].
{{storylink|Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron}}

==Toys==
===Generations===
[[Image:Generations-toy_FOCSideswipe.jpg|thumb|right|300px|It's huge, but it ''probably'' won't explode and kill him. Probably.]]
*'''Sideswipe''' (Deluxe, 2012)

: Part of the third wave of 2012 ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' Deluxe Class toys, ''[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron]]'' [[Sideswipe (WFC)|Sideswipe]] is an extensive retool of ''Fall of Cybertron'' [[Jazz (WFC)|Jazz]], and includes an inordinately large new-mold "battle cannon" that's modeled after the Path Blaster. It has [[5mm post]]s for the handle and on its side, has a spinning, [[Ratchet (mechanism)|ratcheting]] drum, and features a barrel that one can extend/retract just by pulling/pushing it out/in until it clicks into place. In an undocumented feature, the blaster can mount at an angle onto his vehicle rear, with the back of the blaster sliding into the spoiler.
{{-}}

==Notes==
*The rifle has the following base in-game stats:
**Damage: 8
**Range: 5
**Accuracy: 6
**Rate of Fire: 6
** Max Load: 50
** Per Mag: 10

*Additionally it can be upgraded at Teletraan-1 terminals with a Tachyon Transmitter (increasing foot speed in aiming mode), Quantum Stabilizer (eliminating recoil), Hyper Interlink (speeding up reload time), and The Gambler, (randomly increasing the damage dealt by one shot in each clip).
*The "Gambler" upgrade is one of many, many references in ''Fall of Cybertron'', in this case to the episode "[[The Gambler]]".
*At [[BotCon 2012]], developer [[High Moon Studios]] stated that "Optimus Prime's weapon" was designed to look like an earlier version of the rifles he wields in the ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' series.

[[Category:Weapons]]
[[Category:Fall of Cybertron weapons]]
[[Category:Technology]]

Scatter blaster

2014-10-24T12:11:32Z

Luka1184: This article should also be included in the "Technology" and "Weapons" categories, so I added it to them. If anyone disagrees, feel free to revert.

{{picsneeded|Toy picture}}

[[File:StarscreamsBrigade CombaticonsMegs.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|"This weapon will win the war for you, guaranteed! But wait, there's more! Just look what else you get!"]]

[[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] may buy and sell an arsenal's worth of weapons in a day, but he keeps an occasional piece of merchandise for himself. His '''scatter blaster''' fires a wide spray of explosive buckshot - perfect for keeping away dissatisfied customers.

[[Wildrider (G1)|Wildrider]] uses the similar scattershot gun, which he could've easily bought off of Swindle. If he shoots at anything, including small five story buildings in a fifty-square yard area, up to a 1/4 mile away, THE TERRORISTS WIN.
{{TOCclear}}
==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
[[File:Swindleanimated.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|left]]
Even in an alternate universe, [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]] still swears by this weapon. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac}}

{{-}}
===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
Scatter blasters were among the weapons invented by [[Brainstorm]] and kept in his workshop on the ''[[Lost Light]]''. [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailcutter]] found some while searching the workshop for a remote control, but mistakenly called them "shatter blasters". {{storylink|The Reluctant Specialist}}

==Games==
===''War for Cybertron''===
[[File:WFC Scatter Blaster.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Paint apps sold separately]]
A popular short-range weapon during the [[Great War (Prime)|Great War]], the Scatter Blaster was commonly carried by [[Scout (WFC)|Scout]] and [[Scientist (WFC)|Scientist]] class [[Transformer]]s. [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]], [[Skywarp (WFC)|Skywarp]], [[Breakdown (WFC)|Breakdown]], [[Ironhide (WFC)|Ironhide]], and [[Air Raid (WFC)|Air Raid]] all favored this weapon. Surprisingly it is full auto. {{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|Transformers: War for Cybertron}}

{{note|This weapon has the following in-game attributes:
*Damage: 7
*Range: 3
*Accuracy: 4
*Rate of Fire: 5}}

===''Fall of Cybertron''===
They were still in use later in the war, as the Autobots readied the [[Ark (WFC)|Ark]] for launch. At this point, the weapon was favoured by [[Jazz (WFC)|Jazz]] and Starscream, but not, surprisingly, [[Swindle (FOC)|Swindle]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Fall of Cybertron}}

{{note|The weapon's attributes in this game were:
*Damage: 9
*Range: 4
*Accuracy: 5
*Rate of Fire: 8
They could additionally be upgraded at [[Teletraan-1]] terminals with ion cartridges (increasing ammo per clip), quantum stabilizers (eliminating recoil), hyper interlinks (speeding up reloads) and [[fireblast]] (giving a 25% chance of setting the enemy on fire).}}

==See also==
* [[Plasma-shell shotgun]]

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[[Category:Animated weapons]]
[[Category:Generation 1 weapons]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron weapons]]
[[Category:Fall of Cybertron weapons]]
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Plasma-shell shotgun

2014-10-24T12:11:02Z

Luka1184: This article should also be included in the "Technology" and "Weapons" categories, so I added it to them. If anyone disagrees, feel free to revert.

[[Image:G1Getaway boxart.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Must be the rare single-barrelled variant.]]

Good luck catching [[Getaway]]. There isn't a cell he can't bust out of, an ambush he can't slip out of, or pursuer he can't leave in the dust (well, [[Rhythms of Darkness!|most of]] [[End of the Road! (US)|the time]]). On the rare occasions he's cornered, his trusty '''double-barrelled plasma-shell shotgun''' will let him blast his way out of whatever jam he's in.

===See also===
* [[Scatter blaster]]
* [[Plasma cannon]]

[[Category:Weapons]]
[[Category:Generation 1 weapons]]
[[Category:Technology]]

Laser pistol

2014-10-24T12:10:16Z

Luka1184: This article should also be included in the general "Weapons" category, so I added it to it. If anyone disagrees, feel free to revert.

[[Image:TFTM Scavenger.jpg|right|200px|thumb|It only figures that the dullest weapon gives us the [[Prowl (G1)|coolest death scene.]]]]

'''Laser pistols''' are pistols which, naturally, fire [[laser]]s. The [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] and [[Classic Pretender]] [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'s inner robot use laser pistols in [[robot mode]]. [[Hook (G1)|Hook]], [[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]], and [[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] also incorporate their laser pistols into their [[attack mode]].

[[Category:Weapons]]
[[Category:Generation 1 weapons]]
[[Category:Technology]]

Laser pistol

2014-10-24T12:08:53Z

Luka1184: This article should also be included in the "Technology" category, so I added it to it. If anyone disagrees, feel free to revert.

Space bridge

2014-10-24T12:07:54Z

Luka1184: Besides the various "technology" categories that this article is already included in, the article should, in my opinion, also be included in the general "Technology" category, so I added it to it. If anyone disagrees, feel free to revert.

[[File:RollForIt spacebridge opens.jpg|right|thumb|400px]]
'''Space bridges''' are a form of interplanetary transport, allowing Transformers to move from one planet to another almost instantaneously without the need for a spacecraft, via a "short-cut" through the extradimensional realm of [[transwarp|transwarp space]]. Early models required machinery at both ends of the bridge to open a stable dimensional portal, but later iterations of the technology consisted only of a generator at the departure point, which could open bridges to the desired location without the need of a receiver at the other end. Centuries into the future, space bridges have evolved into [[Transwarp Drive]], allowing vessels to generate their own portals wherever required.

{{quote|It defies your laws of physics, and can transport matter through time and space.|Sentinel Prime describes what a space bridge does|[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
[[File:DivideConquer Earth spacebridge.jpg|200px|thumb|Colonel White has been looking for his control panel.]]
The space bridge was apparently first conceived by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] in 1984, as a means of transport back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] for the [[Decepticon]]s stranded on [[Earth]], and to allow them to ferry [[energon cube]]s to revitalize the planet. The bridge requires a mechanism at both ends in order to successfully open a portal traversing the interdimensional void: On Cybertron, this mechanism is a fixture in [[Decepticon Headquarters (G1 Cybertron)|Shockwave's command center]], where it takes the form of an elevator-like cylindrical tube, the top of which projects outside of the center's dome, while on Earth, it takes the form of a circular metal ring. Due to the constant relative motion of Earth and Cybertron to one another, however, the optimum location on Earth for the space bridge to open constantly changes, requiring the Decepticons to construct new bridges regularly. {{storylink|Transport to Oblivion}}

The bridge's operation commences with the ring projecting beams of energy that converge at an apex in the sky above its center, opening a dimensional portal. The bridge's contents (usually along with a great deal of rock and detritus) are then drawn into the portal, which closes with a large discharge of energy. On the Cybertronic end, the travelers arrival is marked by a beam or gusher of energy arriving from deep space. {{storylink|Transport to Oblivion}}

In early uses of the space bridge, the dimensional portal could only remain open and stable for a maximum of 11 minutes. Early space bridge travel likewise proved somewhat unstable, and required the use of a small vehicle to safely transport any cargo. The vehicle was rolled into the ring on a railed structure, and then had to be piloted along "a beam of light". [[Reflector (G1)|Some]] Decepticons displayed pronounced horror at being chosen for this unenviable task, as not staying on the light beam would cause the pilot and cargo to "cease to exist". {{storylink|Divide and Conquer}} In the very first practice run of the mechanism, the villains opted to use the captive [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]], rather than risk any of their number. {{storylink|Transport to Oblivion}}

[[File:SpaceBridgeCartoon1.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Indiana Jones and the Flower of Doom!]]
After being knocked into the bridge by accident, [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] proved able to traverse the bridge without a craft. {{storylink|Transport to Oblivion}} Several Autobots likewise survived the trip in their vehicle forms. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer}} After this, the need for the craft seems to have been removed, as many Transformers and various cargoes would travel by space bridge with no vessel and no difficulties. On one occasion, two humans in a convertible even made the trip with no ill effects. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1}} The process could, however, still go wrong, as it did when the Decepticons attempted to convert a baseball field into a new space bridge site, and a malfunction blasted a small group of Transformers to an alien world of giants. {{storylink|Child's Play (episode)|Child's Play}}

[[File:TransportOblivion Cybertron spacebridge.jpg|200px|thumb|That door wasn't there a moment ago.]]
The space bridge technology was taken to its ultimate extent when the Decepticons constructed three colossal pylons that would generate a "space pyramid", the apex of which extended to Cybertron's location in another galaxy. Using this, Cybertron was transported into Earth's orbit for a brief period. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 1}} Cybertron was later removed from Earth's orbit by an explosion; though never explicitly addressed, this event by rights should have left Cybertron ''much'' closer to Earth, possibly accounting for the ease of travel between the two planets thereafter. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 3}}

The space bridge was used for planetary transportation once more when the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]] [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] wired his missile guidance systems into it and used its powers to redirect the orbit of Earth, intending to send it spiraling into the sun, only to be stopped by an [[Autobot]]-Decepticon team-up. {{storylink|The Revenge of Bruticus}}

The space bridge fell into disuse when the Autobots reclaimed Cybertron in 2005, and throughout 2006, both they and the Decepticons were shown to rely on more mundane means of space travel (shuttles, self-propelled flight) in addition to space bridge-like devices called "[[warp gate]]s" located throughout space. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
By the year 2011, the Autobots had studied and duplicated the space bridge technology for their own use. They developed their own space bridge network, allowing transport between Cybertron, Earth and the planet [[Athenia]], with fixed space bridge receptors in each base (the transport beam was, of course, now the traditional Autobot orange, as opposed to the Decepticons' iconic purple). {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} They did not, however, destroy the original Decepticon space bridge, as the Decepticons were unable to use it to travel to the planet due to Vector Sigma maintaining an Autobot balance of power. This proved to be a mistake, however, when the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]'s energy was released in 2010 to cure the [[Hate Plague]]; this caused Vector Sigma to become destabilized, and the Decepticons were able to exploit this to use the space bridge to invade Cybertron. {{Storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}}

When [[Mars (planet)|Mars]] was destroyed by [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], the gravimetric balance of the solar system was disrupted, making space bridge travel to Earth unstable. This soon ceased to be an issue, however, when the Decepticons headed off on an interplanetary energy raid; in order to slow the Autobots down, [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]] destroyed the Earth-based space bridge, causing a chain reaction that detonated the entire network. {{storylink|Daniel Faces His Biggest Crisis Ever!!}}

The destruction of the space bridge left the only means to travel to Earth as the [[Trainbot]]s and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Battleship Maximus]] (or on one occasion, [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]]). {{storylink|Terror! The Six Shadows}} This reduced ability to travel to Earth is one of the reasons for the heavy human involvement in the [[Masterforce War|following battles]], since Transformers are mostly unable to join the battle on Earth themselves. {{Storylink|Master File No, 1}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
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[[File:Spacebridgemarvelcomic.jpg|thumb|Get it? Space "bridge"? Ahahaha.]]
[[File:Spanner2.JPG|left|thumb|"Blow me up so that I may die with dignity."]]
The space bridge was built by [[Straxus (G1)|Lord Straxus]]'s Cybertronian Decepticons, in response to the discovery that [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]'s lost group of Decepticons were alive and had set up operations on Earth. The bridge, which resembles a normal Earthly suspension bridge when not in use, has two halves; one which remains stationary on Cybertron, and another which teleports to Earth. Passing through the bridge's central arch transports objects across vast distances, instantly and painlessly. Although a properly functioning space bridge is a far more pleasant mode of transportation than the more fuel-efficient Autobot version, the [[trans-time dimensional portal]], an improperly calibrated space bridge will annihilate any object or being who attempts to pass through its arch. Lord Straxus illustrated this fact when [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] sent him over the edge during transit.

The original space bridge was built from the vast body of [[Spanner (G1)|Spanner]], a neutral scientist who had been captured by Straxus's forces and forced to design the Bridge. {{storylink|The Bridge to Nowhere!}} ''After the space bridge was almost completely destroyed, a new Bridge was built to replace it.''
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===Dreamwave Generation One comics===
The space bridge was developed by the Decepticons as a means of exploring (and presumably conquering) other worlds far away from Cybertron. These bridges were <s>[[wikipedia:Stargate (device)|stargates]]</s> small portals that could only be programmed for a certain number of people. Megatron himself underwent the first test of the space bridge. However, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] collided with him before he entered. As it had been only programmed to accept one, the space bridge exploded, and both leaders were presumed dead. {{storylink|Fragmentation (G1)|Fragmentation}} In actuality, they had survived, and been transported to [[Quintessa]], where they remained for several millennia. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.4}} Passage through a space bridge left an "imprint" on [[transwarp|infraspace]], so some Autobots invented the [[Dimensional Interface Assembly]] in hopes of finding where Prime ended up. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.3}}

===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
Space bridge technology was originally the province of the ancient Cybertronians, integrated into their [[Metrotitan (body-type)|Metrotitans]] to allow them to warp through space and travel throughout the galaxy near-instantaneously. {{storylink|Primus: All Good Things}} The technology was unknown to Transformers in the relative modern era; the closest they were able to come was [[quantum jump]] technology, which operated on a similar principle, but required much longer periods moving through [[Transwarp|interdimensional space]] and even multiple jumps to reach far-off targets. Seeking to rediscover space bridge technology to further his war efforts, [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] charged [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] with locating the last of the titans, [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], who had vanished from Cybertron. One of Bludgeon's team, [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], succeeded in finding the titan on a distant planetoid, but his own doubts about the use Megatron would put space bridge tech to led him to let Metroplex escape. {{storylink|The Hunting Party (IDW)|The Hunting Party}}

[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] once claimed to be nearing completion on a [[superstring spacebridge]], but it's likely he was just being overambitious. {{storylink|Spotlight: Ramjet}}

Space bridge tech would eventually be rediscovered (or otherwise reinvented) by [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]], from whom it was stolen by [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]] and traded to Megatron. {{storylink|Spotlight: Metroplex}} The recently-created [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]] [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] used the data to build the Decepticons' first space bridge, which the villains then employed to banish the captured Autobots to the desolate Cybertron, leaving them free to conquer Earth. The bridge was disabled by [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] in the process, and never functioned again. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 7|All Hail Megatron #7}} {{storylink|Shockpoint}} Bombshell proceeded to construct a new space bridge in the devastated [[New York City]], but the Autobots returned and stopped the Decepticons before they could use it. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 10|All Hail Megatron #10}}

With Megatron left in a coma following the battle in New York, the Decepticons began to fall apart, and Starscream, the ostensible new leader, put [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] in charge of developing a new space bridge. {{storylink|All His Engines}} Having since made contact with Metroplex under as-yet-unrevealed circumstances and having removed from the titan's body the technology that allowed him to generate his own space bridges, Shockwave integrated that tech into a new body for Megatron. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 2: Altered Carbon|Altered Carbon}} {{storylink|Spotlight: Megatron}} Using this new space bridge, the Decepticons sent a box of weapons based on Megatron's old body to Earth to shake up Autobot-human relations, then presumably travelled through it themselves to return to the planet undetected. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 2: Altered Carbon|Altered Carbon}}

Meanwhile, Jhiaxus began reconstructing his old space bridge network so that [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] could travel across the galaxy in his quest to recruit an army. {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 3|Heart of Darkness #3}} When the Autobots got wind of his scheme, they returned to Cybertron to confront him, with Megatron accompanying them as their prisoner. Little did the Autobots realize, however, that Megatron had allowed himself to be captured so that he could use his integrated space bridge to summon his Decepticons into the heart of the enemy forces. Back on Earth, [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] discovered that the other Decepticons had built a space bridge terminal link, and watched as it was opened from the other side by Megatron. He was unable to stop most of the Decepticons from travelling through to aid their leader in the fight against Galvatron's force, though he did prevent the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] from making the trip. {{storylink|Chaos Part Three: Kings|Kings}} {{storylink|The Question}}

[[Tyrest (G1)|Chief Justice Tyrest]] had numerous Metrotitans killed so that he could salvage their tech and use it to build an ancient model of space bridge, hoping it would lead him to [[Cyberutopia]]. {{storylink|Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|The Divided Self}} While Tyrest was able to activate the portal, only [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] and the corpse of [[Pharma (G1)|Pharma]] passed through to its mysterious destination. {{storylink|Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|This Calamitous Life}} After Skids returned through the bridge, it burned itself out and was left beyond repair. {{storylink|The Sound of Breaking Glass}}

Requiring a space bridge to access the alternate dimension known as the [[Dead Universe]] and retrieve Galvatron and [[Nova Prime]], Shockwave intended to use that of a Metrotitan, but the bridge stopped functioning when his subject was transformed into the [[Necrotitan]]. {{storylink|Black Metal: Dark Cybertron Chapter 2|Black Metal}} The Decepticon scientist instead chose to capture Megatron and force his integrated space bridge open, allowing Galvatron passage into the normal universe. {{storylink|Finest Hour: Dark Cybertron Chapter 5|Finest Hour}} This tampering by Shockwave turned Megatron's insides into a mess of space bridge portals leading to locations unknown. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}}

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===Unicron Trilogy cartoon continuity===
====''Armada'' cartoon====

[[File:PrehistoryMetamorphosis armada spacebridge.jpg|left|thumb|225px|The earliest incarnation of the space bridge saw travelers enter a communal transwarp portal, then individually materialize at their location.]]
The Autobots and Decepticons used space bridges to travel from Cybertron to Earth in pursuit of the [[Mini-Con]]s. Unusually for the time, they did not require a pre-constructed exit portal at the destination point; after entering the larger, circular entrance portal on the Cybertronian end, each traveler would then individually materialize out of transwarp space at their intended location. {{storylink|First Encounter}} They remained delicate, however: when [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]] unexpectedly entered the space bridge moments after [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] and his team had departed through it, he did not emerge on Earth until months after they did, in an entirely different region of their target continent. {{storylink|Prehistory}}

While on Earth, both factions used [[warp drive|short-range warp technology]] to get from place to place. {{storylink|Metamorphosis}} As there were no operational space bridges on Earth to send them back to Cybertron, when the factions were ready to return to their home planet, they had to construct spacecraft to ferry them there. {{storylink|Threaten}} {{storylink|Depart}} After [[Unicron]] was defeated, [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] and [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] returned the Autobots' human friends to Earth via space bridge, and departed back to Cybertron via the same. {{Storylink|Mortal Combat}}

====''Energon'' cartoon====
[[File:CybertronCity energon spacebridge.jpg|right|thumb|225px|The 2020-era space bridge has the appearance of a tunnel of light through transwarp space.]]

By the year 2020, multiple [[Cybertron City (city)|Cybertron Cities]] had been constructed on Earth, each with their own space bridge, allowing for quick and easy transport from planet to planet. Projection antennae mounted on the city generated the bridge by focusing their beams on a single spot of space, above a launching ramp. The bridge takes the form of a shimmering blue "tunnel" through transwarp space lined with a glowing pathway, along which riders then drive under their own power. {{Storylink|Cybertron City (episode)|Cybertron City}}

When it became necessary for the Transformers to explore the depths of space, rather than travel directly between planets, a variant of the space bridge was developed for zero-gravity environments large enough to transport entire spaceships. This iteration of the bridge begins with an [[Energon Ring]], which expands into a large portal that is then activated by a beam of energon projected into it by the starship. These spacebridges naturally lack any kind of pathway, and instead appear as rippling, rainbow-colored corridors. {{storylink|Go for Unicron!}}

====''Cybertron'' cartoon====

When the [[Unicron Singularity]] threatened Cybertron in the year 2030, the Autobots relocated to Earth via a space bridge, {{storylink|Fallen (episode)|Fallen}} but they typically saw little use after the Autobots were installed on the planet, being replaced for travel to Cybertron's colony worlds by [[Vector Prime]]'s [[dimension gate]]s. {{storylink|Landmine (episode)|Landmine}} Like their predecessor bridges from 2020, they appear as rainbow-colored tunnels through transwarp space. {{storylink|Inferno (episode)|Inferno}}

These bridges were typically opened high above the planet's surface, and were then reached by a unique addition component: a transparent walkway generated by the bridge's systems that allowed travelers to reach the high-altitude portal with no trouble. When [[Bud Hansen]] declared his desire to travel into [[space (the place)|space]], [[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]] was able to use this function of the space bridge to fulfill his desire, extending the pathway to the edge of Earth's atmosphere and driving him up it in vehicle mode. {{storylink|Space (episode)|Space}}

After becoming stranded in the parallel universe that was home to [[Gigantion]], the Autobots construction of a space bridge to get them home exposed them to another of the time-transcending dangers of transwarp tech, when they wound up opening a hole into the past. A swarm of [[Laserbeak drone]]s emerged, forcing the Autobots to destroy their bridge. {{storylink|Guardian (episode)|Guardian}}

====Linkage====
The [[Mini-Con city]] was equipped with space bridge technology. {{storylink|Linkage Part 13}}

===Dreamwave Unicron Trilogy comics===
====''Armada'' comic====
[[File:DWArmada10 OptimusPrime Illbeback.jpg|thumb|left|200px|To the DC Universe, AWAY!]]
Space bridges required an entrance portal but not an exit one, allowing you to materialize at any location. [[Decepticon Headquarters (Armada)|Decepticon Headquarters]] was equipped with an intergalactic space bridge which [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] and his troops used to travel to [[Earth]] in search for [[Mini-Con]]s. The Autobots' [[Autobase|headquarters]] didn't have an operational one at the time, but [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] quickly rectified that so they could follow the Decepticons. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 3|Armada #3}} Both factions had new bridges built in their bases on Earth, but the Autobots couldn't use theirs to return to their hidden base on Cybertron since space bridge transportation was too easy for the Decepticons to trace. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 9|Armada #9}}

In order to open an interdimensional rift so that [[Unicron]] could enter this universe, his [[Herald of Unicron|Heralds]] invaded the [[space bridge nexus]], a hub of multiple space bridges at [[Decepticon Command Headquarters]] on Cybertron. They activated all the bridges, causing overlapping portals to open all across local dimensional space. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 2 of 4}} This brought terrible stress upon the whole inter-spatial network and prevented travel between Cybertron and Earth. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 1 of 4}} All the turmoil in the "space/time horizon" caused Optimus Prime to vanish into another universe, so the Autobots sent a search probe into [[subspace]] through a space bridge. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 3 of 4}} As the bridges began punching holes into completely different dimensions, [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]]'s Autobots on Cybertron finally dealt with the chaos by destroying the space bridge nexus. While this ended the stress on space-time, unfortunately it did not close Unicron's portal. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 4 of 4}}

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====''Energon'' comic====
When Optimus Prime returned to Earth ten years later, he stepped into a space bridge and suddenly received a message from Megatron, whose consciousness was imprisoned within Unicron's core but could call out for Prime during his time in space bridge transit. {{storylink|What Lies Beneath, Part Three}} The Autobots set up new bases on Earth equipped with space bridges, but when Optimus Prime chose to go back to Cybertron for reinforcements, the mind of Megatron intervened and somehow redirected the bridge's exit location, sending him to the interior of Unicron instead of the [[Halls of Justice]]. {{storylink|Omni-Potent}} By this time, the Autobots had their own space bridge nexus on Cybertron, which they used to send teams of Autobots to various Earth cities under attack from [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcons]]. {{storylink|Multiplicity, Pt. 2}}

===Panini ''Armada'' comic===
[[File:PaniniArmada4 spacebridge.jpg|thumb|200px|Can you set it so it goes to Gensokyo?]]
[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], and their respective troops used space bridges to travel to [[Earth]] once they learned of the [[Mini-Con]]s awakening there. {{storylink|First Encounter!}} Once Megatron lost a duel with Prime, he also used one to flee. {{storylink|Friends and Foes!}} Prime's initial plan was to send the Mini-Cons they found back to [[Autobase|Autobase: Cybertron]] via their space bridge, but the bridge was destroyed in a Decepticon attack, stranding the Autobots on Earth. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 4|No Way Back!}}

The loss of the space bridge made it impossible for the Autobots to follow Megatron to the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], forcing them to contact [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] on Cybertron. As Autobase: Cybertron had functional space bridges, he could send [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] and [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]] to save the day, though neither of them enjoyed the feeling of being warped across space. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 6|Between Two Worlds!}}

Megatron continued to use the faraway Moon to his advantage, building a base there and firing missiles at the helpless Autobots on Earth. Though unable to stop the launch, Optimus Prime hatched a different plan and had [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] hurry to repair their space bridge. In the meantime, Scavenger and Smokescreen broke into the Decepticon moonbase's space bridge control room and activated their bridge, connecting it to the Autobots' one on Earth. Hot Shot got their bridge working just in time for the missiles to arrive and fly straight into the portal, teleporting them straight back to the Decepticon base. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 8|Earthshaker!}}

===Live-action film series===
====''Transformers'' RISK====
There is a location on Cybertron housing a stationary space bridge. This area is bordered by [[Perihex]] and [[Polyhex]], and is linked via a bridge to [[Kalis]]. It is in this location where [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] began his adventure. {{storylink|Risk}}

====IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics====
Space bridges (also known as "transpatial portals") were first used by the [[Dynasty of Primes]], allowing them to transport between dimensions. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4|Defiance #4}} [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seekers]] had the ability to create space bridges, teleporting across worlds and between planets. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 3|Tales of the Fallen #3}} It was eventually discontinued in later models because of the excessive rate of failure. Apparently it was prone to catastrophic malfunction. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

Thousands of years after the fall of the Dynasty of Primes, [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]] recreated space bridge technology, claiming it would allow the Autobots to win the war. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}} The [[pillar]]s that served as the basis of the technology were stored on the ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'', but after it sustained damage in a Decepticon attack, they malfunctioned and began to warp the ship randomly across space and time until it crashed on [[Earth]]'s [[Moon (moon)|moon]]. {{storylink|Convergence chapter 1}}

[[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]'s Decepticons subsequently recovered most of the pillars from the wrecked ship. [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] used one of them to create a primitive space bridge on [[Mars (planet)|Mars]], allowing the Decepticons to travel back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] through the passage created by the ''Ark''. {{storylink|Convergence chapter 4}} Because the ''Ark'' had done several "jumps", the Decepticons would have to pass through several corresponding nodes to return to their homeworld. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 2|The Reign of Starscream #2}}

====''Revenge of the Fallen'' film====
[[File:ROTF Jetfire space bridge.jpg|thumb|300px|And now we are going to the [[Marvel Comics|Marvel Universe]].]]
{{quote|You—you blue-lighted us and something loud and painful and hallucinogenic happened and there was five seconds of Ted Nugent meets [[Thor]] and then...!|[[Sam Witwicky (Movie)|Sam Witwicky]] describes going through a space bridge.|[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Revenge of the Fallen]]}}
[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] mentioned the Space Bridge by name shortly before he did a really half-assed job of throwing himself and the rest of the heroes halfway across the world to Egypt, wrecking Sam's hand in the process (Jetfire wasn't entirely sure they were still on the right planet). The even-more-ancient but significantly less senile [[The Fallen|Fallen]], one of the [[Thirteen|original Primes]], shows a similar ability where he teleports across short distances, seeming to use it as a form of flight. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

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====''Dark of the Moon'' film====
During the last days of Cybertron's civil war, Autobot leader [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]] developed a new space bridge technology which used [[Pillar|a system of pillars]] to provide instantaneous transport between any two points. It was hoped that the technology would be able to turn the tide of the war and defeat the Decepticons once and for all. But the technology was lost when Decepticon ships attacked the Autobot flagship ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'', which was transporting both Sentinel and the pillars.

[[File:DOTM-Moonspacebridge.jpg‎|thumb|250px|left|]]

In 1961, the ''Ark'' crash landed on Earth's [[Moon (moon)|moon]], sparking a space race between the [[United States of America]] and the [[Soviet Union]] in an effort to reach the wreck first. During this era, the Decepticons began removing hundreds of pillars from the crash site, an activity secretly recorded by Soviet space probes. Decades later, the Autobots learned of the ''Ark'''s presence on the Moon, and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] traveled to the crash site to investigate. Once aboard, the two retrieved Sentinel Prime's body and five of the pillars, including the master pillar that controlled the bridge. Back on Earth, the pillars were confiscated by [[NEST]] out of fear that they would be used as weapons.

That fear was quickly realized when Sentinel attacked the Autobots and their human allies, revealing that he had made a truce with Megatron in order to save Cybertron from destruction. Stealing the five pillars, he activated them in front of the Lincoln Memorial, teleporting hundreds of Decepticons hiding on the Moon onto Earth. [[Chicago]] was soon conquered by the invading army, and there Sentinel and Megatron launched their master plan: using the pillars covertly taken from the ''Ark'' crash site, they would create a space bridge between Earth and Cybertron, bringing their homeworld into Earth's atmosphere. Earth would then be raided for its resources, and humanity would be enslaved and forced to rebuild Cybertron.

[[File:DOTMCybertrontransit.jpg‎|thumb|300px|]]

NEST and the Autobots eventually arrived in Chicago to retake the war-torn city, and Optimus Prime was able to knock over the control pillar, deactivating the space bridge. It was only a temporary victory, though, as the Decepticon human ally [[Dylan Gould]] restarted the pillar and the transport sequence recommenced. Ultimately, Gould was killed by [[Sam Witwicky (Movie)|Sam Witwicky]] and [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] destroyed the control pillar. With the bridge rendered inoperable, Cybertron collapsed and was completely destroyed. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
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===''Animated''===
[[File:TFA Space Bridge.jpg|left|thumb|Chevron seven is locked.]]
Space bridges are used to travel around the galaxy. This incarnation takes the form of a large, forked structure and works by generating a sphere of energy between the two prongs.

The technology is exclusively Autobot, and gave them a major strategic advantage over the Decepticons: thanks to the bridges, the Decepticon expansion was halted. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}}

The [[AllSpark]] was thrown into one to keep it out of Decepticon hands. [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] and his [[Bumblebee (Animated)|small]] [[Bulkhead (Animated)|band]] [[Prowl (Animated)|of]] [[Ratchet (Animated)|Autobots]] were put in charge of repairing space bridges. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}}

[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] planned to use some schematics to build his own, allowing him to [[transwarp]] to Cybertron and strike it without warning. He kidnapped [[Isaac Sumdac (Animated)|Isaac Sumdac]] to design it {{storylink|The Elite Guard}} and used [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] and [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] to build it, but it wasn't enough. With [[Bulkhead (Animated)|some additional help]] he completed it, {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}} but as often is the case with Decepticon plans, it didn't end well. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}}

During the [[Decepticon Uprisings]], the Decepticons went after every space bridge on the periphery in a simultaneous assault. [[Team Chaar]] were the first squad to capture a bridge, but couldn't arrive at the [[Emirate Xarron Spacebridge Nexus|space bridge nexus]] on Cybertron as Shockwave, who held the access codes at the nexus, was waiting for Megatron's signal to begin the attack. The network was later shut down by the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]]. {{storylink|TransWarped}}

[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] used components from a transwarp generator in order to create a teleportation pod which she used to transform [[Wasp]] into a [[Technorganic]] being; however, after its use, the chamber exploded. {{storylink|Predacons Rising (Animated)|Predacons Rising}} Bulkhead along with Isaac Sumdac later attempted to work together in making a space bridge on Earth for the Autobots but faced many arguments on how to calibrate the equipment. Luckily, Sari Sumdac managed to activate the system which was later used to transport Optimus Prime onto the [[Sigma Supreme|Elite Guard flagship]] which had been taken over by the former Decepticon prisoners. {{storylink|Decepticon Air}}

===Aligned===

====''Exodus''====
Space bridges were the foundation for Cybertron's [[Golden Age]], linking it to [[Velocitron]], [[Gigantion]], [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]] and the [[Hub (G2)|Hub]]. As they grew less reliable, Cybertron's society stagnated and lost contact with its colonies. During the civil war, only one in Cybertron's orbit was still believed to be operational. When the ''[[Ark (WFC)|Ark]]'' and the ''[[Trypticon (WFC)|Nemesis]]'' entered it, it separated the two ships to different parts of space. According to [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]], the space bridges work by tearing holes in the fabric of reality. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus}}

====''Prime''====
=====''Prime'' comic=====
[[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] was assigned by [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] to find remnants of space bridges, and he successfully built one in [[Kaon]]. [[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]] and [[Cliffjumper (WFC)|Cliffjumper]] overloaded its systems, jumping through it and landing on [[Earth]]—as did Starscream—before it blew up. Meanwhile, [[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]] developed the [[GroundBridge]], to transport themselves across [[Earth]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Prime (graphic novel)|Transformers: Prime}}

=====''Prime'' cartoon=====
[[File:PrimeSpacebridge.jpg|thumb|''Stargate: Cybertron.'' Only on [[The Hub]].]]
During the [[Great Exodus]], [[Shockwave (WFC)|Shockwave]] stayed behind to reverse engineer the ancient space bridge technology. He succeeded in building one beneath [[Kaon]] and [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] intended to use it to reach [[Earth]] after intercepting a transmission from [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]]. The space bridge was sabotaged by [[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]] and [[Cliffjumper (WFC)|Cliffjumper]], who used it to travel to Earth moments before it exploded. {{storylink|Out of the Past}}

Starscream built a space bridge in Earth's orbit, which he used to bring back Megatron from his deep space [[Dark Energon]] expedition, {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 1}} Megatron intended to use Dark Energon to resurrect the Cybertronian dead and bring them to Earth via the space bridge. The Autobots discovered the Decepticons' plans for a space time vortex generator, indicating that they had built a space bridge. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 4}} The fact that the [[Trypticon (WFC)|Decepticon ship]]'s navigation sensors were damaged meant that the Decepticons had to use a radio dish array in [[Texas]] to target the space bridge at Cybertron. Once this was accomplished, Megatron heaved a big chunk of Dark Energon through and raised Cybertron's dead. This undead army began traversing the space bridge to Earth, however the Autobots had obtained the space bridge schematics, and were able to reverse the valve on the energon pump. The reversed power caused the space bridge to explode, taking the zombie army and possibly Megatron with it. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 5}}

While observing [[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]]'s battle with Optimus and Bumblebee, Soundwave picked up a Decepticon life signal near the remains of the space bridge, possibly Megatron's. Although initially trying to dismiss it, Starscream eventually went to investigate. At the space bridge debris field, he found Megatron, still alive thanks to the Dark Energon crystal he had placed within himself. Although Starscream intended to leave Megatron for dead, Soundwave, not trusting his comrade, sent his [[Deployer (WFC)|Deployer]] to also search the space bridge debris field, forcing Starscream to take Megatron back to the Decepticon ship. {{storylink|Masters & Students}}

Aiming to build a new space bridge, the Decepticons set about stealing the components they'd need, including a phase converter, plasma injector, neutron shield, tesseract and a suitable power source. {{storylink|One Shall Fall}} After the unfortunate incident with [[Unicron]], the Decepticons stole the necessary power source. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 1}}

The Autobots searched for the space bridge so they could use it to reach Cybertron. With Starscream's help, they located it in a disused energon mine and managed to secure it and send [[Jack Darby (Prime)|Jack Darby]] and [[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]] through. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 2}}

The space bridge was moved to the dark side of the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]] to hide it from both Autobots and humans. Megatron and [[Dreadwing (Prime)|Dreadwing]] used it to reach Cybertron so they could retrieve the arm of a [[dead Prime]]. {{storylink|Alpha/Omega}}

Dreadwing later gave the [[Forge of Solus Prime]] to the Autobots, which Optimus used to upgrade their Groundbridge into a space bridge, allowing them access to Cybertron when the time came for the battle over the [[Omega Lock]]. Megatron also ventured there, and was joined by Starscream, Knock Out and Soundwave who had captured the Autobots' human allies. {{storylink|Regeneration (Prime)}} Once Optimus destroyed the Omega Lock, his team retreated back to Earth, only to be promptly attacked by a vicious Decepticon assault. When it was clear the battle was lost, Optimus evacuated Team Prime, scattering them across the United States while he remained behind to destroy the base's space bridge. It was all for naught, as the ''Nemesis'' opened fire on the base, destroying their space bridge. {{storylink|Darkest Hour (episode)}}

Knock Out was later sent to Cybertron to search for leftover Iacon relics, and returned with the long-presumed-dead Shockwave. {{storylink|Darkmount, NV}} He later brought through his newly cloned [[Predacon (Prime)|Predacon]]. {{storylink|Scattered}}

When [[Airachnid (Prime)|Airachnid]] was freed from her stasis pod and led a revolt against Megatron, Soundwave quickly sent them through a space bridge to a barren moon of Cybertron. {{storylink|Thirst}} The Autobots later captured the ''Nemesis'', using its' space bridge to return to the restored Cybertron after bidding farewell to their human friends. {{storylink|Deadlock (episode)}} Ratchet was later brought through the space bridge to attend to the wounded [[Ultra Magnus (WFC)|Ultra Magnus]]. {{storylink|Predacons Rising (Prime)}}

==Games==
===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
After contact was lost with a team of Decepticons dispatched to [[Zel Samine]], [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] took a shuttle to the planet and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] would follow using a space bridge portal aboard the shuttle. Some technical problems occurred at first, leading to a rant from Starscream on how using a portable space bridge was asking for trouble. Soundwave assured him that the next attempt would work, but then, the portal blew up. Starscream enquired what had happened to Megatron, as he was on the bridge when the malfunction occurred. Soundwave detected that Megatron had been transported to only a slightly different location and Starscream suggested they go and fetch him.

When Megatron was found, Soundwave explained the effects of the solar system's sun, [[Paradius]], had been causing the problems with the shuttle and the space bridge and that they were forced to repair either one if they wished to leave the planet.

Meanwhile, [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] detected the space bridge energy and warned the other Autobots that the Decepticons were in the area too. {{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

===''Fall of Cybertron''===
[[Jazz (WFC)|Jazz]] and [[Cliffjumper (WFC)|Cliffjumper]] were sent to find [[Grimlock (WFC)|Grimlock]] who had abandoned his post when they had discovered a Space Bridge tower, in the Sea of Rust, which [[Shockwave (WFC)|Shockwave]] had used to open a portal to prehistoric Earth. Shockwave then reported this to [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] who had ordered it to be built in Kaon. Later, the [[Dinobot (FOC)|Dinobots]] discovered this as well, but when [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus]] ordered them back to base, they went against orders and destroyed it anyway. This caused the portal to destabilize, and so the Autobots raced to the portal with the Decepticons trailing behind. Both factions and their respective vessels went through the portal, which closed after them.{{storylink|Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron}}

===Bot Shots Battle Game!===
[[File:BotShotsGame Galactic Spacebridge.jpg|thumb|left|150px]]
The Galactic Spacebridge terminal on Cybertron was one of the many places that the Bot Shots did battle. {{storylink|Bot Shots Battle Game!}}

{{--}}
===''Transformers: Legends''===
[[File:TransformersLegends space bridge.jpg|thumb|right|150px]]
The Space Bridge was the primary means of travel around the cosmos for both Autobots and Decepticons, though traveling that way required payment of a toll. The Space Bridge included an artificial satellite in orbit around Earth which transported passengers down to the planet in a purple beam. {{storylink|Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Transformers Legends}}

{{note|The Space Bridge is an in-game mechanic by which the player use various forms of currency to obtain cards.}}
{{--}}

==Merchandise==
* '''RISK TRANSFORMERS CYBERTRON Battle Edition''' (2007)
: The Space Bridge is one of the yellow zones on the board.

==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Space bridge''' (スペースブリッジ ''supēsu burijji'')
*''German:'' '''Weltraumbrücke''' ("space bridge"), '''Raumbrücke''' (''Generation 2'', "space bridge")
*''Polish:'' '''Most kosmiczny''' ("space bridge")
*''Finnish:''' '''Avaruussilta''' ("spacebridge")

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[[Category:Animated technology]]
[[Category:Armada technology]]
[[Category:Generation 1 technology]]
[[Category:Cybertron technology]]
[[Category:Energon technology]]
[[Category:Movie technology]]
[[Category:Prime technology]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen technology]]
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[[Category:War for Cybertron technology]]

Starship

2014-10-24T12:02:33Z

Luka1184: This article should also be included in the "Technology" category, so I added it to it. If anyone disagrees, feel free to revert.

[[File:DoOP Starships.jpg|thumb|350px|My God... it's full of starships...]]
A '''starship''' is any vehicle capable of interstellar movement, that is, travel between a system around one star to that of another. Starships are also the preferred travel between planets within a system, as they tend to have faster engines and roomier accommodations than smaller space-faring vehicles. In addition, starships have often been valued for their possession of valuable resources, such as energy, specialized facilities, and weapons.

==G1 starships==
===Autobot starships===
{{collist|3|
*[[Aircraft carrier]]
*[[All-Terrain Turbo-Transport]]
*''[[Arc II]]''
*[[Ark (G1)|The Ark]]
*''[[Ark II]]''
*''[[Ark-7]]''
*''[[Ark-12]]''
*''[[Ark-17]]''
*''[[Ark-19]]''
*''[[Ark-27]]''
*''[[Ark-32]]''
*[[Ark shuttlecraft]]
*[[Autobot frigate]]
*[[Autobot Resistance Karrier]]
*[[Autobot shuttle]]
*''[[Beast With Wings]]''
*''[[Calabi-Yau]]''
*''[[Darkstar]]''
*''[[Eight Track (G1)|Eight Track]]''
*[[Future Autobot evacuation ship]]
*''[[Graviton (Classics)|Graviton]]''
*''[[Hawk's Claw]]''
*[[Hot Rod's shuttle]]
*''[[Jonagar]]''
*[[Kup's ship]]
*''[[Leading Light]]''
*''[[Longshot (G1)|Longshot]]''
*''[[Lost Light]]''
*''[[Mirror-Manifold]]''
*''[[Nightbird (ship)|Nightbird]]''
*''[[Orion]]''
*''[[OTFCC (ship)|OTFCC]]''
*''[[Skyfire (ship)|Skyfire]]''
*''[[Skyroller]]''
*''[[Sojourner's Passage]]''
*''[[Steelhaven]]''
*''[[Trion]]''
*''[[Valiant (G1)|Valiant]]''
*[[Vanguard-class Deep Space Interceptor]]
*''[[Vis Vitalis]]''
*''[[Xantium (G1)|Xantium]]''
}}

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Big Powered]]
*[[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]]
*[[Cloudburst]]
*[[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]]
*[[Dai Atlas (Zone)|Dai Atlas]]
*[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]
*[[Galaxy Shuttle]]
*[[Grand Maximus]]
*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]
*[[Sky Garry (ROC)|Sky Garry]]
*[[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]]
}}

===Decepticon starships===
{{collist|3|
*[[Club Con]]
*[[Decepticon heavy transport]]
*''[[Empirion]]''
*''[[Fatal Consequence]]''
*[[Galvatron's ship]]
*[[Galvatron's UFO]]
*''[[Hell's Point]]''
*[[Interstellar shuttle]]
*''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]''
*''[[Pale Fire]]''
*''[[Peaceful Tyranny]]''
*''[[Rash Action]]''
*''[[Revenge (G1)|Revenge]]''
*''[[Semper Tyrannis]]''
*''[[Talon (Classics)|Talon]]''
*''[[Thanatos]]''
*''[[Thunder Arrow]]''
*[[Thunderwing's ship]]
*''[[Tidal Wave (Timelines)|Tidal Wave]]''
*''[[Torment]]''
*''[[Warworld]]''
*''[[Weak Anthropic Principle]]''
*[[Worldsweeper]]
*''[[Victory (G1)|Victory]]''
}}

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]
*[[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]]
*[[Dreadwing (G1)|Dreadwing]]
*[[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]
}}

===Quintesson starships===
{{collist|3|
*''[[Paradigm]]''
*[[Quintesson Cruiser]]
*[[Quintesson Warship]]
*[[Trident Attack Craft]]
}}

===Cybertronian Empire starships===
{{collist|3|
*''[[Kiro]]''
*''[[Sabre]]''
*''[[Twilight (G2)|Twilight]]''
*[[X-S warship]]
}}

===Human starships===
{{collist|3|
*''[[Lazy Sue]]''
*''[[Solaris]]''
*''[[Spaceship 301]]''
}}

===Other vehicles===
{{collist|3|
*''[[Alchemy-Seven]]''
*''[[Amory]]''
*''[[The Benign Intervention]]''
*[[Deathbringer (Marvel)|Deathbringer]] ship
*''[[Minnow]]''
*[[Mecannibals' ship]]
*''[[Peaceful Resolution]]''
*''[[Reclamation]]''
*[[Rockeroid]]
*''[[Rodimus Major]]''
*[[Space Pirate Ship]]
*[[Tantiv-Nas]]-class ships
*[[Tyroxian space transport]]
*Cargo hauler ''[[Van De Graaff]]''
*''[[Yar]]''
}}

==Beast Wars starships==
===Maximal starships===
{{collist|3|
*''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]''
*''[[Chromia 10]]''
*''[[Gung Ho]]''
*''[[Nanatsunoko]]''
*[[Maximal Mobile Base]]
*''[[Rusty Mace]]''
*''[[Seagull]]''
*''[[Yukikaze (BWII)|Yukikaze]]''
*[[Pack|The Pack]]'s [[transwarp cruiser]]
}}

===Predacon starships===
{{collist|3|
*''[[Darksyde (BW)|Darksyde]]''
*''[[Dinosaur (ship)|Dinosaur]]''
*''[[Galvaburg II]]''
*''[[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]]''
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]'s transwarp cruiser
*[[Buzzsaw and Laserbeak's ship]]
*[[Flamewar's ship]]
}}

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]
*[[Majin Zarak]]
}}

===Other vehicles===
{{collist|3|
*[[Botanica's ship]]
*''[[Autobot Shuttle Omega Delta|Omega Delta]]''
*[[Starhopper]]
}}

==Robots in Disguise starships==
===Autobot starships===
'''Characters who transform into starships'''
*[[Fortress Maximus (RID)|Fortress Maximus]]

===Decepticon starships===
*''[[Megastar]]''

==Unicron Trilogy starships==
===Autobot starships===
{{collist|3|
*''[[Axalon (Armada)|Axalon]]''
*''[[Azusa]]''
*''[[DieCast]]''
*''[[Eclipse (Cybertron)|Eclipse]]''
*''[[Flash Frenzy (Cybertron)|Flash Frenzy]]''
*''[[Hyperion (Armada)|Hyperion]]''
*''[[Iron Hope]]''
*''[[Longbow]]''
*''[[Miranda II]]''
*[[Scavenger's ship]]
*''[[Spanner (ship)|Spanner]]''
*''[[Star Arrow]]''
*''[[Valiant (Cybertron)|Valiant]]''
}}

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]]
*[[Overcast (Energon)|Overcast]]
*[[Vector Prime]]
}}

===Decepticon starships===
{{collist|3|
*[[Decepticon mobile fortress]]
*''[[Doomsday]]''
*''[[Hydra Cannon]]''
*''[[Kalis' Lament]]''
*''[[Sea Slag]]''
*[[Solar barge]]
*''[[Upstart]]''
}}

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Astrotrain (Cybertron)|Astrotrain]]
*[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]
*[[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]]
}}

===Mini-Con starships===
*''[[Exodus (Armada)|Exodus]]''
*[[Mini-Con Ark]]

===Colony starships===
{{collist|3|
*''[[Ark (Cybertron)|Ark]]''
*''[[Atlantis]]''
*''[[Hyperborea]]''
*''[[Lemuria (Cybertron)|Lemuria]]''
*''[[Ogygia (Cybertron)|Ogygia]]''
}}

==Movie starships==
{{note|All Transformers can travel through space by reverting to a [[protoform]] and transforming into a [[transition form]].}}

===Autobot starships===
{{collist|3|
*[[Ark (Movie)|''Ark'' (Movie)]]
*[[Ark (DOTM)|''Ark'' (DOTM)]]
*''[[Straxus (Movie)|Straxus]]''
*''[[Xantium (DOTM)|Xantium]]''
}}

===Decepticon starships===
{{collist|3|
*''[[Longshot (DOTM)|Longshot]]''
*[[Mothership]]
*[[Nemesis (Movie)|''Nemesis'' (Movie)]]
*[[Nemesis (ROTF)|''Nemesis'' (ROTF)]]
*[[Orbital Assault Carrier]]
}}

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
{{collist|3|
*[[The Fallen]]
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
}}

===Unaffiliated Cybertronian starships===
'''Characters who transform into starships'''
*[[Seeker (ROTF)|Seekers]]

===Human starships===
{{collist|3|
*''[[Discovery]]''
*''[[Ghost 1]]''
}}

==Animated starships==
===Autobot starships===
{{collist|3|
*''[[Dawn Treader]]''
*''[[Eight Track (Animated)|Eight Track]]''
*[[Emergency shuttle]]
*''[[Flash Frenzy (Animated)|Flash Frenzy'']]
}}

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme / ''Orion'']]
*[[Alpha Supreme|Alpha Supreme / ''Axalon'']]
*[[Beta Supreme|Beta Supreme / ''Battlestar'']]
*[[Gamma Supreme|Gamma Supreme / ''Gung Ho'']]
*[[Delta Supreme|Delta Supreme / ''Darkstar'']]
*[[Epsilon Supreme|Epsilon Supreme / ''Eclipse'']]
*[[Zeta Supreme|Zeta Supreme / ''Xantium'']]
*[[Eta Supreme|Eta Supreme / ''Hyperion'']]
*[[Theta Supreme|Theta Supreme / ''Tsunami'']]
*[[Iota Supreme|Iota Supreme / ''Iron Hope'']]
*[[Kappa Supreme|Kappa Supreme / ''Chromia X'']]
*[[Sigma Supreme|Sigma Supreme / ''Steelhaven'']]
}}

===Decepticon starships===
{{collist|3|
*''[[Darksyde (Animated)|Darksyde]]''
*''[[Kalis' Lament (Animated)|Kalis' Lament]]''
*''[[Nemesis (Animated)|Nemesis]]''
*''[[Revenge (Animated)|Revenge]]''
*''[[Twilight (Animated)|Twilight]]''
*''[[Victory (Animated)|Victory]]''
}}

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
*[[Lugnut Supreme]]

===Unaffiliated starships===
*''[[Death's Head (Animated)|Death's Head]]''

=="Shattered Glass" starships==
===Autobot starships===
*''[[Ark (SG)|Ark]]''

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
*[[Sky Lynx (SG)|Sky Lynx]]

===Decepticon starships===
*''[[Nemesis (SG)|Nemesis]]''

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
*[[Astrotrain (SG)|Astrotrain]]

===Maximal starships===
*''[[Axalon (BWSG)|Axalon]]''

===Predacon starships===
*''[[Darksyde (BWSG)|Darksyde]]''

==Aligned starships==
===Autobot starships===
{{collist|3|
*''[[Ark (WFC)|Ark]]''
*[[Autobot plague ship]]
*''[[Eight Track (WFC)|Eight Track]]''
*[[Galactic transport]]
*''[[Jackhammer (Prime)|Jackhammer]]''
*''[[Sigma]]''
*''[[Sky Claw]]''
*[[Ultra Magnus's ship]]
}}

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
*[[Omega Supreme (WFC)|Omega Supreme]]

===Decepticon starships===
{{collist|3|
*[[Airachnid's ship]]
*[[Dreadwing's ship]]
*''[[Harbinger]]''
}}

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
*[[Trypticon (WFC)|Trypticon / ''Nemesis'']]

===Other vehicles===
*''[[Tidal Wave (Prime)|Tidal Wave]]''

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[[Category:Technology]]

Cloning

2014-10-24T12:01:17Z

Luka1184: I believe it would be fitting to include this article in the category "Technology", since we define cloning as a technology in the real world. If anyone disagrees, feel free to revert it. Maybe the article could need a bit of work to reflect this?

{{Disambigr|Clone|G1 toy subgroup|Clone (subgroup)}}
:''Cloning is the process of creating a living organism that is exactly (or nearly) identical to another living organism.''

In the case of [[Transformer]]s, '''clones''' are created in a number of different ways, and they need not be identical in both modes to be clones. Indeed the original Transformer [[Clone (subgroup)|Clones]], Autobots [[Fastlane]] and [[Cloudraker (G1)|Cloudraker]], and Decepticons [[Pounce]] and [[Wingspan]] shared only their respective robot modes and had entirely different [[alternate mode]]s.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
{{stub}}

===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
The [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] possessed cloning abilities that allowed them to create [[Insecticon clone|clones of themselves]] using metallic debris. Using this, they were able to increase their numbers from three to potentially hundreds of thousands. {{storylink|A Plague of Insecticons}} The [[Decepticon]]s attempted to use the Insecticon clones to produce [[energon]] by having the Insecticons ingest organic food, but the Insecticon clones were destroyed by [[Morphobot]]s. {{storylink|Quest for Survival}}

[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] created a perfect [[Optimus Prime clone|clone of Optimus Prime]] in an attempt to infiltrate and destroy the Autobots. He almost succeeded. He also created a [[Starscream clone (G1)|clone of Starscream]] as part of a plan to make the Autobots think the Optimus clone was the real Optimus. {{storylink|A Prime Problem}}

===Beast Wars===
[[File:Dinobot Clone.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|He doesn't know how to quit his ex-lieutenant.]]
[[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] made a habit out of cloning things, [[Clone One|especially]] [[Dinobot (Transmetal)|in]] [[Cyber raptor|relation]] [[Dinobot II|to]] his former lieutenant, [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]].

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
It was established that Transformer clones such as Pounce, Wingspan, Fastlane, and Cloudraker were established by artificially replicating the process that normally leads to Transformer siblings and artificially splitting a spark as it is introduced to a protoform. These pairs are less well-balanced and more co-dependent than naturally occurring siblings.

After the [[Great Shutdown]], [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] began research into cloning. He developed several clones of prominent individuals, using technology he had gained when [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] struck a deal with the [[Quintesson|Quintessons]] over the [[Air Warrior|Aerospace Extermination Squadron]]. When [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] overthrew his regime, Shockwave's clones were not yet ready. The [[Battlecharger|Battlechargers]] discovered his lab while looking for a [[CR chamber]], finding several of the clones who had yet to be activated. However, the computers were processing the information that Shockwave had downloaded from [[Vector Sigma]], spilling into whatever available memory it could find... including [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]], a clone of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave) |Generation One}}

===''Descent into Evil''===
Same as the G1 cartoon, except a lab was needed on [[Ceti Alpha Seven]] to do the cloning. When [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] perfected the process, the genetic matrices were all that he would need.

Too bad [[Ricochet (Timelines)|Ricochet]] contaminated all of them. {{storylink|Descent into Evil}}

===''Transformers Animated''===
[[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] apparently had a lot of time on his hands during the fifty solar cycles he spent looking for the [[AllSpark]], as he created literally ''hordes'' of [[Starscream clone (Animated)|clones]] [[Seeker (body-type)|of himself]]. {{storylink|A Fistful of Energon}} Five of these clones were given life using part of Starscream's AllSpark fragment, and each represented an aspect of the original's personality—[[Skywarp (Animated)|cowardice]], [[Thundercracker (Animated)|egomania]], [[Ramjet (Animated)|deception]], [[Sunstorm (Animated)|flattery]] and... [[Slipstream (Animated)|something else]]. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}}

[[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] and [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]] are clones created by the Autobots from techniques learned from Starscream. {{storylink|Safeguard (Animated)|Safeguard's toy bio}}

{{note|In the comic included with the toy, Jetfire and Jetstorm are not clones, but already exist as refinery bots. They are upgraded into [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]] warriors. {{storylink|First (and Second) in Flight}}}}

[[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]] apparently never could get the hang of cloning and needed to give helmets to [[Sunstorm (Animated)|two of]] [[Ramjet (Animated)|them]] just to tell them apart. {{storylink|Decepticon Air}} Following obtaining a couple of blank protoforms and using a sample of one of Starscream's clone's RNA, Swindle created two clones embodying Starscream's [[Thrust (Animated)|jealousy]] and [[Dirge (Animated)|greed]], the "two most annoying bodyguards in the history of the universe". {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}} Megatron would later use Starscream's cloning technique to create clones of [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]] imprinted with [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]]'s [[Lugnut Supreme|personality]]. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}}

===''Prime'' cartoon===
The ''[[Harbinger]]'' contained a laboratory with five protoforms and all the information needed to achieve cloning. [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] managed to find it, and immediately utilized its contents to create five [[Starscream clone (Prime)|Starscream clone]]s. {{storylink|Armada (episode)|Armada}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: War for Cybertron'' (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)===
The defense systems in the [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] [[Vaults]] could create a seemingly infinite number of [[Holo-Brute|energon clones]] of [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Zeta Prime]]. {{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|War for Cybertron}}

==Notes==
* Though not stated as such, the ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' continuity has a cloning process that is performed on [[Spark|Embers]]. The only known example was when [[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]] and [[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]] were created. Though they were referred to as twins, this could still be seen as a crude means of cloning.

[[Category:Biology]]
[[Category:Transformer culture]]
[[Category:Technology]]

Transformation cog (biology)

2014-10-24T11:58:29Z

Luka1184: This article is missing the category for "Technology", so I added it in. Cheers.

{{disambig3|Cog}}
[[Image:Transformation cog.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Hut hut hike!]]

A '''transformation cog''', also referred to as a '''transforming cog''', '''transition cog''', '''conversion cog''', or '''T-cog''' is a component important to a [[Transformer]]'s [[transformation]] and sometimes [[scanning]].

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 continuity family===
====Generation 1 cartoon continuity====
=====''The Transformers'' cartoon=====
Metroplex's cog was damaged in 2005 during the [[Decepticon]] [[Battle of Autobot City|siege]] of [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]], which explains why he did not transform to robot mode during the battle. [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] built a replacement cog and entrusted its delivery from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] to Autobot City on [[Earth]] to [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]]. This proves you can be brilliant but still stupid. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}}

After numerous setbacks, the cog was delivered just in time. As the city was under siege once again, [[Pipes (G1)|Pipes]] quickly installed it, allowing Metroplex to fight off Trypticon. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

The cog also makes a nice substitute for a football. Apparently, it can also change its shape to look like flat, toothed wheel every time a [[AKOM|lazy animator]] wishes it.

[[Unicron]] required Trypticon's cog as part of his scheme to use [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] as his new body. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine (episode)|Ghost in the Machine}}

[[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] stole Metroplex's cog, causing the Autobots to retaliate by stealing Trypticon's. Both factions hit upon the idea of using the captured cogs on their respective city warriors, an idea that was only partially successful. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}}

====Dawn of Future's Past====
While speeding to defend the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]] from [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] thieves, [[Nitrostreak]] was shot in the hood by [[Dinobot (BW)|one of the criminals]], damaging his transformation cog. As he was also flipped on his roof by the blast, he was well and truly incapacitated for the moment. {{storylink|Dawn of Future's Past}}

====IDW Generation 1 continuity====
Together with the [[spark]] and the [[brain module]], the transformation cog was part of the "[[Rossum's Trinity]]" principle of Cybertronian biology. Enough damage to one of the three would cause the other two to shut down, killing the Transformer in question. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|The Chaos of Warm Things}} By spinning the transformation cog just right and shutting down all safety valves, a Cybertronian could achieve instantaneous transformation, but doing this repeatedly would result in the cog breaking beyond repair. {{storylink|Omega's Conundrum}}

[[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] broke his legs, internal clock and transformation cog from falling through the [[Mitteous Plateau]]. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It}}

To "reject" [[Adaptus]], the [[Militant Monoform Movement]] surgically removed their transformation cogs. {{Storylink|Life After the Big Bang}}

[[Pharma (G1)|Pharma]] was forced to make a deal with the [[Decepticon Justice Division]] to harvest [[Delphi]]'s patients of their transformation cogs in return for the facility's safety. {{storylink|How Ratchet Got His Hands Back}}

[[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]]'s transformation cog was shattered during the [[Battle for Hell's Point]], leaving him stuck in gun mode for a whole two years. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 1}}

When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]] found his colleague [[Springarm]] dead, his transformation cog was "still warm", allowing Orion to transform the dead body into its alternate mode. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 2}}

When his unit was ambushed by Decepticons, [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] was injured and couldn't transform due to a damaged transition cog. {{storylink|Spotlight: Jazz}}

[[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] created an experimental weapon to override a Transformer's primary transformation cog and lock them in their alternate mode. [[Iguanus (G1)|Iguanus]] used it on [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] during a battle, [[transformation paralysis|forcing him to remain]] in his cassette deck mode for 25 years. {{storylink|Spotlight: Soundwave}}

In protest of the Autobot "occupation" of a peaceful Cybertron, a [[NAIL]] transformed repeatedly for weeks until his transformation cog wore out and he died. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It}}

===Aligned continuity family===

====''The Covenant of Primus''====

The very first Transformation Cog belonged to [[Amalgamous Prime]]. The artifact allowed its holder to take any shape or form its wielder desired. It would eventually become the template for the simplified T-cogs incorporated into the physiologies of all Cybertronians. When the first Cybertronians emerged from the [[Well of All Sparks]], [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] decided not to inform the Cybertronian race about their ability to transform.

When the first [[Quintesson]]s arrived on Cybertron, they brought with them the "gift" of transformation; they secretly reactivated the dormant organ inside Cybertronians but claimed that Quintesson technology was responsible for this ability. Toward the end of the Quintesson reign of Cybertron, [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Orion Pax]] and his friend [[Jazz (WFC)|Jazz]] kidnapped the newly born [[Silverbolt (WFC)|Silverbolt]] from the Well; with the help of [[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]] and [[Cogwheel]] they learned that T-cogs didn't require Quintesson interference to function properly. This revelation led to the beginnings of the rebellion that brought the [[Age of Wrath]] to an end.

After Cybertron's [[Golden Age]], [[Mercury (COP)|Mercury]] and her displaced fleet of [[Neutronia|Neutronian]] refugees discovered Amalgamous's original Transformation Cog orbiting a black hole. The refugees brought the artifact aboard the ship, but the mysterious energies the Transformation Cog emitted had the unexpected side effect of altering the crew, granting them advanced shapeshifting abilities and the power to combine with one another into an infinite amount of forms. Even so, Mercury and her new [[Mutacon]]s set out to find Amalgamous Prime, hoping that he could undo the change before the Mutacons permanently merged together into a single being. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus}}

====''Transformers: War for Cybertron''====
In order to prevent Iacon's destruction at the hands of [[Trypticon (WFC)|the battle station Trypticon]], [[Air Raid (WFC)|Air Raid]] proposed that his team blast Trypticon's conversion cog, forcing him back into robot mode and hopefully ending the chaos. The cog was blasted to bits and Trypticon was unable to maintain his station mode. Unfortunately, this had the slightly troublesome effect of dumping a heavily-armed, very angry giant Decepticon onto Cybertron instead. {{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|Transformers: War for Cybertron}}

{{Note|In addition, when a player's health is completely depleted in a co-operative or online mode of gameplay, the Transformer being controlled will fall to the ground and begin a countdown to going offline. While the countdown is in process, it can be seen that a notice on the side of the screen reads "TRANS-COG: OFFLINE" and the game does not allow the player to transform during the countdown. This implies that heavy damage to a Transformer can disable their conversion cog.}}

====''Prime'' cartoon====
[[Image:OperationBumblebee2 Starscream threatens T-cog.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Look at your T-cog, now back to me...]]
T-cogs are bio-mechanisms that enable Transformers to scan [[alternate mode]]s, transform, and operate integrated weapon systems. Transformer organs such as these are beyond [[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]]'s ability to construct.

Requiring a part for the robot they were building, [[MECH]] ambushed [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]] and stole his T-cog. Unfortunately when they attempted to install it into their robot, it failed to work, as it required [[energon]] to function properly. {{storylink|Operation Bumblebee, Part 1}}

It worked better once they got some energon, but it was badly damaged when Bumblebee attempted to take it back. Despite the damage, Ratchet was able to repair it enough that Bumblebee regained the ability to transform. To make up for their loss, MECH stole [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]]'s T-cog instead. {{storylink|Operation Bumblebee, Part 2}}

Now armed with greater knowledge about Cybertronian biology and Starscream's T-cog, MECH was able to create [[Nemesis Prime (Prime)|Nemesis Prime]] before Optimus defeated it {{storylink|Nemesis Prime (episode)|Nemesis Prime}} and the US military confiscated it. {{storylink|Grill}}

Starscream later tried to install a T-cog he took from his [[Starscream clone (Prime)|clone]] aboard the ''[[Harbinger]]'' but was interrupted. {{storylink|Triangulation}} [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] later performed the operation to restore his T-cog to him. {{storylink|Regeneration (Prime)|Regeneration}}
{{-}}

==Notes==
* In the Generation 1-related fiction, damage to a transformation cog traps the Transformer in whatever mode he or she happens to be in (most often this is their alternate mode). In the [[Aligned continuity family]]'s ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War For Cybertron]]'', the destruction of his conversion cog instead forces Trypticon into robot mode.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Transform cog''' (トランスフォーム・コグ ''toransufōmu kogu'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''T-mag''' ("T-core", ''Prime'' cartoon)

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10.2 ultra-drill

2014-10-24T11:50:40Z

Luka1184: Since the category "Technology" has not been added to this article, I did it.

:''The 10.2 ultra-drill is some kinda doodad from the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

A '''10.2 ultra-drill''' is piece of Cybertronic technology. Presumably, its function involves some type of drilling. The ''ultra'' type, whatever that is. (Could this be a vital operation in producing [[Cheetor (BW)|ultra gears?]])

==Fiction==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
[[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] was searching for a 10.2 ultra-drill lost somewhere in [[Alpha Trion's base‎|his workshop]] when a group of [[Decepticon]]s, led by [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]], burst in, demanding he give them the [[Key to Vector Sigma]].

He tried to resist, but they managed to overpower him and take the Key, leaving him severely damaged. A group of [[Autobot]]s soon arrived and repaired him, and after a journey to [[Vector Sigma]] fraught with peril, Alpha Trion sacrificed himself by merging with the supercomputer in order to grant life to the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]].

The fate of his misplaced 10.2 ultra-drill is, sadly, unknown. {{storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1}}

==Notes==
*10.2 millimeters is actually a standard metric drill size.

[[Category:Generation 1 tools]]
[[Category:Technology]]

Talk:Garry Chalk

2012-08-19T22:05:17Z

Luka1184: /* Sex tape...? */ new section

==G2==
The narrator for the toy commercials in G2 was still [[Victor Caroli]]. The only confirmed line of Chalk's that I am aware of from the G2 commercials is as Superion, going "No, that was Bruticus!". I know it's odd and incredibly one-off, but Chalk has admitted at a BotCon that he did some TF voice work ''before'' Beast Wars, and it's the only thing I've found... it's definitely him to my ear, though. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 02:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H79nBsSM8_A A compilation of numerous G2 commercials]. Doesn't sound like Chalk but he IS a voice actor... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::[[Leadfoot (G2)|Leadfoot]] kinda sounds like him, too. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 04:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Pretty sure he played Silverbolt there as well. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:47, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Monzo that's not quite true. According to the interview that A3U conducted he also said several times "Transformers Generation 2! Batteries not included!" in those commercials Followed by him saying "That was me way back when.". [[Special:Contributions/65.66.150.108|65.66.150.108]] 18:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Even if he says that was him, that still doesn't sound like his voice as the narrator in the commercials themselves, which I've posted. Silverbolt, Superion and Leadfoot do sound like Gary, though. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

==Name==
Say, is it Gary or Garry? And that is him as Cybertron Soundwave, right? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
:Both are correct, but he usually uses "Gary Chalk aka. Garry Chalk". --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 09:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Does he? Where/when have you seen him do this? And it still leaves open the question of why [[Hun-Grr|his name varies]] like that.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

==What is with Apes and Barrels?==
It should be noted that [[Peter Cullen]] performed the voice of [[wikipedia:Saturday_Supercade|Mario]] in the 1980's version of the animated video game as well.

== Birthdate ==

He was born on February 17.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 17:12, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
:Well, he said it was on Facebook, anyway.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 20:26, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
::He said it on Facebook, or an unofficial Facebook page said so? Post a source! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:34, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
:::This page looks pretty official. Exclusive-looking headshots and everything. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Garry-Chalk/138793652826356?sk=info --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 21:03, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
::::That works for me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:28, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
::It's also on his personal page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594655538&ref=ts --[[User:Primo|Primo]] 22:09, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

== Sex tape...? ==

Sorry, but is it honestly approriate to talk about Sholtz having sex, being taped during it and Chalk getting torn int two by some Fly guy? O.o Where did this lame stuff come from, seriously? And isn't Transformers originally meant for kids...? Sex? Seriously...? -_- I am disappointed in whoever in this community that decided to include such information in an article. However, I am okay about talking about sex on the Wiki overall, as in biological reproduction and so on and so forth, but this...? Please, no.

Stay creative,
Best,
- Lukas

User talk:ItsWalky

2011-06-29T15:41:26Z

Luka1184:

{{preview bastard}}

--I'm deeply sorry

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==Things to say to you==
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Just some thing I've been wanting to say to David...

First off, you're a monumental asshole. You have an ego the size of a small planet and it's irritating watching you act like an important SOB when you're basically just a nobody.

Second, your webcomics aren't funny. They're boring tripe that makes Penny Arcade look good(and believe me, Penny Arcade is garbage). Cyanide and Happiness is a funny webcomic, yours is not. Your "jokes" are painful, about like watching Michael Richards yell the n-word as a routine. You don't draw a comic, you draw an opinionated blog. I'm not sure which name suits your crap better, "ShitPacked" or "ShortDicked".

Your liberalism and your love of Indiana get on my nerves. You jab at Mallard Filmore? Yeah, one shitty comic making fun of another shitty comic. Or are you just pissed that his gets in newspapers while you're JUST a webcomic? As to Indiana, I live here, and if it were up to me, the state would be walled off and none of the freaks living there allowed to interact with the rest of the planet. The state is about 3 decades behind the times. But something tells me even you know this otherwise you'd still live here. I sure as hell do not live here by choice and as soon as I can, I'm moving far away from this joke of a state.

And your brand loyalty is typical fandom crap. You have Aaron Archer's rod so far down your throat it's unreal. And Aryan fucktard Michael Bay's rod has apparently joined it. I'd say soemthing abotu Don Murphy but he was born without one. Actually, I can say something- he's Kevin "unfunny asshole" Smith with more body fat. Hasbro didn't give the film to a competent director, just a cheap one. And neither Speilberg or ILM have done anything useful in years. Give WETA, or even Tom Savini a chance and we wouldn't be getting Bionicle bots. You're afraid to not like a Hasbro product. No wonder they don't have to go out of the way to please the "fans"- you'll accept it no matter what. But hey, you personally have been sucking off incompetent British bonehead Simon Furman and his shitty stories for years. There are no gods in Transformers. Unicron was built by a monkey, little man. Furman is dog shit.

And go figure this TF wiki is a joke full of misinformation, insults or outright lies- you're a mod here. You're never right. You're more of an incorrect pompous jerkoff than Defunct is. Right, ban me from editing, as if it would somehow matter, any info you don't agree with is pulled. You only have friends because people feel sorry for you. Me, I have no need. People are a commodity to be used and their wants only get in the way of what I'm out for. Use them and drop them.

Who am I? Go look who added a note about you on Encyclopedia Dramatica's Allspark page if you're not too lazy. As well as past AS, Kalidor, FIRRIB and Hooks entries(the hooks entry especially true). Oh, and just info on white people in general and that idiotic Nintendo Wii. I'm not making it that easy for you.
: Is it my birthday? This stuff ''feeds'' me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
: Duuuuude. Walky may be a dick, but I still ''like'' him for some inexplicable reason. You, on the other hand, are just one sore drama queen.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: This is some of the most funny stuff I've seen in a while. Comedy PLATINUM. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Bwa ha ha ha ha. Priceless. I think someone needs to get off the internets for a few minutes. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Wait, you mean I didn't get drunk and write this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 05:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: I wish lame puns happened to me. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 20:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Why do I get the feeling that guy has been permanently banned?[[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 15:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow, an Encyclopedia Dramatica troll. No need to be so harsh on Walky. I, too, like the Baybots, and, I happen to like Bionicle. Also, his Webcomic is one of my favorites. So, if you have nothing nice to say, never ever EVER come back here.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 16:22, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

==BANNED==

What the hell did I do to warrant a ban, exactly? As far as I'm aware, I don't even think I broke any rules, and if I did, an official warning would be appropriate. I received no such warning. I was not here for trolling and you know that - you use that bullshit excuse to get people to ignore arguments you can't handle. But you, personally, who made this decision, know I'm not a troll.

This is fucking low. I had little enough respect for you down to your ranting against the fanbase, Willis, but this is a whole new level of buggery. If you're going to use your comic to rant against and discredit people you don't like, the least you can do is suck it up when people rant at you back, and not act like a control-freak child.

I really don't think you're aware of your own actions anymore.
*Do the words [[Wikipedia:WP:NPA|no personal attacks]] mean anything to you? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:: Do the words "warning before ban" mean anything to you? Rulemongering doesn't justify a decision anyway, since Walky is one of the people making the rules. There were plenty of personal attacks leveled at me, but I did not report them officially.

::I really find it hard to believe that you think it's completely on a rational level of discourse to claim that the comic strip I draw is about child pornography. If I'm not mistaken about your identity, you've been banned from almost every single Transformers web board you've had an acquaintance with, and I'm only doing this place a favor by getting rid of you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::: That's not an excuse. I will openly admit I HAVE been banned from several forums, but only because I repeatedly opposed the staff on each and every one of them; and with good cause, they all have roughly the same problem. People bully others either into liking the movie or to agree with the kind of views you promote - and since nobody can directly attack or discredit anyone, these people(and you are) are left to their methods.
::: For your current decision to be validated, the admins of those boards, boards which are influenced in turn by your anti-fan attitude, would have to be near 100% correct in their decisions, and those decisions would have to occur within a context that would map exactly onto here. Any rational moderator does not base their decisions so much off performance on other boards, especially when it's not even a messageboard they're operating. Two different media. I have openly said I despise all active Transformers boards for their level of authoritarianism, yet level of tolerance towards the pushing of certain viewpoints.

::: Not to mention that you're still operating under the fallacy of Appeal to Majority - that alone means I shouldn't really even have to counter you.

::: And don't even use the "CHILD PORNOGRAPHY" thing as an excuse. Again, any rational moderator would warn several times before a ban, I personally reversed that edit even though it was obviously intended to be a joke as anyone reading this knows what pile'o'bile already is. You have no justification for what you did, but your ego is too big to realise you can actually do wrong with your power. You'll never admit it, but I wouldn't be surprised if some part of you is pissed that I defeated some of your ramblings, whether they were directly written by you or encouraged by you, it's still the kind of guff you normally blew, and I managed to defeat it. You, and the mods of the big sites will always have your ban buttons - but you will NEVER be able to justify your actions to me. That's how I know that I'm in the right, at least in situations like this - solidly backed justification is almost always absent.
:::: Personal attacks + deleting comments in response to you = banno --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:::: P.S. Sign your posts. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::::: I have never intentionally deleted comments in response to me. I just moved one recently as it was in the middle of a paragraph of text. Not to mention that happened after you banned my original IP. Personal attacks alone are not grounds enough for a ban, especially when you're doing an awful, awful lot to be mercilessly torn into.
Need I point out that once again, you are unable to defend yourself properly? When does the "You're insane?" come? Ganging up of all your little friends since a majority always means you're right?
Do you even realise what a fascist shithead you sound like? Just because you're an admin of a place doesn't give you a free pass to be a dick with it. There's a difference between what you can do and what you should do that you don't seem to have learned yet. [[User:67.159.44.88|67.159.44.88]]

: YOU BAN PEOPLE BECAUSE ****YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE

TRUTH****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111twelve FUCKING FASCIST PIGCOP NAZI WIKIPEDO '''ASSHOLE''' [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:: My gosh, now that I have seen someone mock the notion, it MUST be untrue. Please, where can I learn these 1337 debating skills?

:::Dude, I've been banned from twice as many forums as you, guaranfuckingteed, but they still let me post here because I'm not as goddamn retarded as you are. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:::: And can you demonstrate exactly how I'm more retarded than you? Or are you just, Walky style, dropping weighted terms to discredit someone's point of view without even trying?

:::::1. Hoop doesn't delete other people's comments on talk pages. 2. He actually signs his posts, which you've been asked to do many times, but haven't caught on. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::: I didn't delete anything. If I did, it was an accident because someone posted right in the middle of text it wasn't meant to be in the middle of. Not signing my posts doesn't make me retarded since it's blatant when I'm saying something. --[[User:67.159.44.88]]

Actually - come to think of it, you make fun of the idea that anyone running a site can be Nazi, yet you still mention you got banned from many forums. Does that perhaps mean that you genuinely got banned for being an asshole and not opposing the staff/local clique like I did?

:''any rational moderator would warn several times before a ban''
:Not true, some things are auto-ban. I don't think you ''did'' any of them, but I'm just saying.
:Dude- you got an expedited ban because you showed no signs of contrition, argued every point, used personal insults, refused to sign your posts even when '''repeatedly asked to''' (I had to go back into history and dig out which incoherent chunks of text where yours, because the posts weren't hierarchied properly so the debate was really hard to follow. This is why signin posts is important dumbfuck.)
:And ultimately you got banned because you were making a major nuisance of yourself in ''without'' any correlating '''contribution''' to justify keeping you around. You're a negative. You edited 3 articles- Fandom, Shortpacking and Ruined Forever- and ''all' of those edits got reverted because they either flames or crappy jokes that make the articles ''worse''. Even if I were to (generously) believe you didn't intend to start a fight, you picked the 3 flamebaitiest articles you could find and masturbated across them. ''Allah forfend'' you should write an ''episode summary'' or something.
:Unrelated- Walky can Talk:Fandom be semi-protected instead of full? Loserbot isn't registered. -[[User:Derik|Derik]]01:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

==On an unrelated note: Thank you.==
I know this is an odd place to say it, but I figured if I only said it once, it wouldn't be a bother so here goes: Thank You. Shortpacked is hilarious, and when not laughing, I'm agreeing with alot of the statements the main character makes. (and feeling like I was the only one who noticed some of them, like the one about General Discussions.) I also noticed your a Hot Shot fan, which is also awesome. I also noticed its due to the efforts of you and other people here that the move was made from Wikia to Tfwiki, which was a good idea so I also want to say a long overdue thank you for doing that as well, and finally: thanks for doing what you can for this site, because without this site, I'd be out of the loops on Club Exclusive things, and other Misc. Transformers related content. I go here frequently for information (or lolz) and I'm quite sure not only me but many others are grateful to you and all others who help contribute to this place.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
:Thanks, and we do our best! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:08, 4 January 2010 (EST)
==Tulsa, Oklahoma==
Sorry to bother you (I tried to avoid saying something again sense I already did the 'Thank you' earlier, but I HAD to ask about this). Had nothing better to do so I've been reading shortpacked's full archive beginning to end today. (Well I'm currently on July 6 2009 to be fair) and I noticed something that I just HAD to ask about. I've noticed once you mentioned Oklahoma. I ignored it the first time but then later you said "Tulsa". Now you got me curious, because I live in Tulsa and thus wondered what made you decide to choose to mention here of all places, sense basically nothing ever happens here. (Aside from the occasional Convention and the recent BOK center. Granted I may be moving to Florida in a few years..I really hope so. Been here my whole life and its boring) Just thought I'd ask, before curiosity drove me nuts. Keep up the good work on the comic, peace.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

EDIT: haha on second thought..maybe I should've said this at Walkypedia..or do you even go there? (I'd assume you do.) Oh well, my mistake I guess. Hope you'll still answer my question regardless. lol--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

== WfC Starscream ==

You said: "We revert that back to Starscream every time you change it for a reason."
:Well that's just great since that is my first contribution to that page. And the picture itself says Skywarp so I was just making both consistent. I'll change the pic to Starscream as well.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 11:22, 14 January 2010 (EST)
:: Ah, sorry. Got you confused with Blackout, who was also changing it to Skywarp. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:28, 14 January 2010 (EST)
::: No prob. Just re-uploaded the image with starscream in the name rather than skywarp. The old one now has the delete tag. Thanks. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 11:33, 14 January 2010 (EST)

== Quick Report ==

More vandalism, on Nekomimi A/B, section animated..I think? caption didn't seem right..
I heard you're supposed to report to an Admin, right?
-[[User:SlamBolt|Danny LeFox]] 23:37, 20 January 2010 (EST)
: The caption is okay. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:10, 21 January 2010 (EST)

== Independent Wikis ==
Hello Walky. This is Archaic, webmaster of Pokémon fansite Bulbagarden, and its associated wiki Bulbapedia. I sent you an email about 2 weeks ago (to the address linked on both your webcomics) regarding an idea I've recently been playing around with of a co-operative of independent wikis. I understand that you've been rather busy recently, so I just wanted to check if you had received that email or not, and if you might be interested in contributing your thoughts to the matter? --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 20:24, 25 January 2010 (EST)
: I did receive it! I'm sorry for not answering swiftly. Our answer depends on how much interaction you are looking for. Part of the appeal of leaving Wikia was breaking free of the mandatory link chain to "related wikis" that they put at the bottom of our frontpage. Our frontpage is now our own. That's not something I think we're interested in. We are, though, all in favor of people starting up their own wikis instead of depending on those lying Wikia assmongers. (to coin a phrase) But, I can't speak for the people here who help maintain this wiki and how much they would be willing to lend a hand. So, uh, the answer to your question at the moment is: "I don't know?" Um. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:47, 25 January 2010 (EST)
::Heh, no worries. We're all fairly busy at this time of year. For now, we're going full steam ahead with a limited version of this idea, focusing specifically on wikis linked to Nintendo franchises, which we're likely to launch within a couple of weeks. Perhaps it might be easiest if I'm able to show you what we're doing there? While we're doing quite a bit of integration between the partner wikis for this limited network, I'd imagine that any more general grouping of independent wikis would have to be a lot less so, if only for logistical reasons. As I mentioned in the email, it's all fairly up in the air right now. A lot of brainstorming, but not a lot of actual action at this point. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 15:15, 26 January 2010 (EST)
:::If I may weigh in... basically, while I wager most (if not all) of us are individually supportive of any wikis that break free of Wikia, when it comes to linking on this wiki we generally only stick to links that add information to our articles, such as TFU.info, Marvel Universe TF profiles, Wookieepedia and GI Joe sites for Star Wars and GI Joe crossovers, etc. So unless there's some crossover connection between Pokemon and TF that we missed, I don't see that we can help, because we don't have anything that would need a link to your wiki. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:35, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::::What, not even with that page you have on Pokéformers? ;) Seriously though, I think you might have misunderstood what I was suggesting. I'm not looking at a 2-way affiliation or link here. Instead, what I've been investigating is much closer to what Walky has in Blank Label Comics for his webcomics. An alliance of wikis united by a common purpose. Exactly how far one would take that is the real question. I certainly wouldn't expect a link to every wiki in such a network on the front page of any wiki in it. As you've rightly pointed out, you value the independence you've regained after breaking from Wikia, and any such network would have to be very careful to maintain that for all sites while still offering something meaningful. *shrugs* Like I said, all very much pie-in-the-sky kind of vague ideas right now, just exploring possibilities. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 20:47, 26 January 2010 (EST)

:::::I don't know if you've heard, but wikia has decided to make a change (mandatorily!) that is 100 times worse than what drove you guys to a new server. I am interested in finding info on how you guys actually performed your move, and what would need to be done before, during, and after to make it work. If you could give me even a link (so that I can show others), that would be hugely helpful.
:::::If you could message me on my wikia talk page (yes, I know), that would be most appreciated. Thanks![[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 10:18, 28 September 2010 (EDT)

==Yeaaaaaaaah==
:: ''Hey, were you the [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Tales_of_the_Fallen_issue_5&diff=414380&oldid=413827 guy who called a dude a schmuck for no real reason], and so then he [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/593224.html?thread=14980936#t14980936 quit this wiki] because he was treated like shit? You don't get a vote. Especially since you think Florida and Cuba are separated by a friggin' river. (Anyway, I vote against rhyming in the Headmasters section.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:07, 8 February 2010 (EST)''
Yes because he was considering the entry was as bare and snarky as possible (You're hardly the soul of discretion all the time yourself sir) . And remarkably, being from a good distance across the planet, I don't know where everything is situated on that side of the world so the assumption of he ran into a river instead of the atlantic ocean, while my own fault I'll admit, is fairly understandable. But if I'm not aloud to voice my opinion cause a guy you don't know told you something about another guy you don't know, then tell me now please, save me trying to vote on something again. (I'm being completely serious by the way, if that's the case, I want to know). All the best. [[User:Eire]] 01.33 Feb 09 2010 (UTC)
::: When your opinion is "the guy who created this page is a schmuck," then you're probably going to get some flak for said opinion. It's not like the page was horribly put together. It was just abbreviated and snarky. It wasn't called for. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:52, 8 February 2010 (EST)

== Guess who's back..... ==

[[User:Masterman666]]
--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:45, 11 February 2010 (EST)
: Remind me who he is, again? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:54, 11 February 2010 (EST)
::[[User:Masterman555]]. Banned for flaming and using a sockpuppet. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:01, 11 February 2010 (EST)
:::Then bye-bye, then! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:15, 11 February 2010 (EST)

== Breakaway image caption ==

Isn't Topspin the one with no personality? (Or was it a ref to Breakaway being Mister Likes-Everyone-Nice-Guy?) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:13, 11 February 2010 (EST)
: Topspin doesn't like being used, and ripped Kickback's spark out of him in angry fury. That's more than Breakaway ever emoted. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:16, 11 February 2010 (EST)
::Plus, his utter devotion to Alpha Trion was also more characterization than Breakaway got. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:19, 11 February 2010 (EST)
:::Fair enough... it's just that since Topspin was always the one with the "No personality" cracks in his page (and the one who's profile specifically says he's had his personality and will crushed out) it seemed potentially out of place, so I figured I'd ask.
:::(Personally I admit I wouldn't claim Breakaway (who did a fair bit of pep-talking everyone) has no personality any more than Heatwave, who's equally easy-going, friendly, and optimistic, can be said to not have one, but I was more checking for possible mistakes than taste...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:47, 11 February 2010 (EST)

== RE: Divebomb ==
Hup, my bad. Thanks for catching that! [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 11:06, 22 February 2010 (EST)

== Red Alert image ==
Thanks for color correcting it, looks much better. My desktop bit the dust last week, and my netbook chokes on photoshop. [[User:Kookaburra|Kookaburra]] 01:22, 30 March 2010 (EDT)

==Mainpage logos==
I'm shocked you haven't put up BC Breakdown yet. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:34, 8 April 2010 (EDT)
:I just put up *a* Breakdown. Really, I'd prefer to stick to art rather than toy images. Spark was an adrenaline rush exception. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:34, 8 April 2010 (EDT)

== I can't think of a suitable title to put here right now..... ==

[[Special:Log/block&page=User:Jeysie|This seems rather uncalled for.]]

Thank you for your attention. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:38, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
: Maybe you should have brought it up during the twenty-four hours in which she was banned, and not like a few minutes before it expired. And it was certainly called for, considering the disrespect she was showing other users. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:15, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::You called her a bitch. Was that not disrespectful as well? - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:43, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::I think that was just me making an obvious point about her having talk page conversations ''entirely about other posters''. As usual, I make my points through sarcasm. Jeysie wasn't being sarcastic or trying to illustrate a greater point when she told me to stop "mouthing off." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:21, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::I'm not upset about being banned. What I am upset about is that the reason it's so irritating trying to have a conversation with you is that you are constantly responding to people trying to make reasonable points with mocking rude responses, often ones that illustrate that the point was missed. So, I don't like ''your'' disrespectful attitude any more than you like mine.
:::Considering you actually make good points on the few occasions you turn off the mocking attitude and take the time to understand the points being made, it'd make dealing with you a whole lot less frustrating if you'd keep the attitude turned off all the time. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:57, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::::Ahahaha Jeysie is telling me to stop having a mocking attitude! I will mark that on my Jeysie-is-condescending calendar OH WAIT THERE IS NO ROOM --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:21, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::Can we stop this? Both of you? You're both highly devoted editors to this wiki and we don't need a long lasting feud. Pretty Please? --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 17:28, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::The kids don't like it when mommy and daddy fight.... --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:36, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::Seconded. This is time and energy better spent on working on articles, and I've seen enough from both of you to know that it would benefit the wiki greatly if you did that. -- [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 17:40, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::::If Walky drops the attitude problem, there won't ''be'' a feud, because I'll have nothing to comment on to him, which will make me very happy.
:::::::The only reason I say anything at all is because I'm tired of his attitude always making trying to discuss something on the wiki a stressful chore instead of something productive. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:44, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::::This is silly. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 17:48, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Response to Walky: Maybe you're not aware, but I am on a different continent than you are. Different continent = different time zone = inability to respond at the same time as you Americans. And don't even TRY to shift the blame. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:07, 10 April 2010 (EDT)

==New bot==
Can I get a bot tag for [[User:DNAVI]] please? abates said you were the man for the job. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 02:25, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

== Regarding TG Studios and the guy you banned ==

[[Talk:TG Studios|You may want to check this out.]] --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:33, 29 April 2010 (EDT)

Can you make Timelines sharkticon on wirte and put on a image ?

== Squiggles! ==

If by "squiggles", you mean "Japanese", toss me a copy of that translation, eh, my fine fellow? For the annotations, don'tcha know! :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:30, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
: In the filecard for Primal Major and Alpha Supreme, Maggie translated the two non-English characters at the end of it, which mean "Shanghai." That's all she's done (per my specific request), so I don't have anything else to tell you. :) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:35, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
::Ahh, that's still cool! I wouldn't have figured it out on my own! I have spotted at least one or two other bits of Japanese in there and was going to pester Spengler about them anyway. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:40, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

== King Starscream's bounty ==

So, do I get it if I turn myself in? - [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 12:55, 2 August 2010 (EDT)

== Look! ==

You suck! Along with most of the other administartors on this wiki. I can't believe you treat people the way you do. I've been watching for a while, and I will tell you, that you're just an asshole! Why don't you grow up, and quit being a dick to everyone! Banning people for ridiculous reasons! Telling people their work is shit! In fact, I created this account just to confront you! GROW UP AND QUIT BEING A DICK! YOU"RE AN ASSHOLE! {{unsigned|Generations123|17:32, 11 August 2010 (EDT)}}
:The irony is staggering. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 17:40, 11 August 2010 (EDT)
:: I think this guy deserves a Shortpacked! comic in his honor.--[[Special:Contributions/65.11.250.113|65.11.250.113]] 19:26, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

== My sandboxes ==

Hiya David, I was wondering if you will take a look at my improved Primes sandbox (not that I'm suggesting to retitle the article or anything, it's just the whim of my user space). I hadn't realized Marvel never uses the number 13, as it's been years since I read "Legacy of Unicron" or "Primal Scream", one takes these things for granted now. Also, regarding Alpha Trion, I finally have a response again to yesterday's chat, I feel we can compromise on this: the only thing bugging people about him being a multiversal singularity is SG. As you suggested, we should wait: we should wait to see if Forest or Hasbro explain his actions in that continuity or if multiversal singularities don't apply to mirrorverses like SG and that Alpha is truely unique from the original Prime who's more likely than not the one from G1/RID/UT/TA/ROTF/WFC. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:08, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

== Scan request ==

Since I can't find my copy of it at the minute, and since I know you had it out recent to scan that image of Rodimus Prime that's on the main page at the moment, might I trouble you to scan the panel from the third issue of the Marvel movie adaptation that features Hot Rod with a handful of energon sticks? On Junkion, when he's trying the universal greeting. Thanks! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:59, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

== Ultra Magnus ==

I think we need to rewrite the Dreamwave section. It's kind of old TFwiki there with the super-condensed summary and lack of links to individual issues. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:04, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

== Daleks ==

Listen, if you want behind the scenes proof, When the Daleks first appeared in Doctor Who, they were called Daleks, Davros calling the casing Mark 3 Travel Machine never happed until the time of the Forth Doctor. The information on the page is WRONG.
[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:19, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

Oh, and by the way, Davros if a Doctor Who character. Detour is giving us information from fiction too. The comment is wrong.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:22, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

== Something that might be of interest to the TFWiki... ==

I think you'll find [http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/original-g1-scripts-designs-other-items-on-heritage-auction/20162/ this] to be rather interesting, as it may contain certain materials that would be decent additions to this Wiki. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 19:39, 8 November 2010 (EST)
: Thanks. I took some screencaps where I could. We should tell [[Jim Sorenson]] these exist and maybe he has a million dollars. (Or maybe just a hundred. Not many bids on these, and who the hell even knows this auction site exists?) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:33, 8 November 2010 (EST)
::That site had some of the live-action movie props being auctioned either last year or earlier this year, IIRC. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 22:45, 8 November 2010 (EST)
:Should I/we let him know in his [[User talk:Jimsorenson|User Talk page]] about this? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:09, 9 November 2010 (EST)

==Question & request==
How come we should keep "Junkion trader"? I wouldn't know of a source that makes it a canon designation and before the article even had the noname-nickname template. So, why keep a made-up name that's no longer needed?
: Also, if you have ''The Complet Ark'', could you add an image of adult Chip Chase to his article? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:15, 14 November 2010 (EST)
:: Isn't "Junkion trader" from a magazine or something? I don't think we made it up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:43, 14 November 2010 (EST)
:::I can't say anything about magazines (though I'd wonder which magazine would bother to mention such an obscure "character"), but mostly, Derik, who made the article, had it marked as "nickname" from the start and left a reason for naming Junkion 1 "Junkion trader" on the Omniverse talk page. Altogether, I think it's not canon in any capacity. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:49, 14 November 2010 (EST)
::::*clenches fist* ''Derik''!! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:50, 14 November 2010 (EST)

==Another request (Junkion related)==
I figure that before I completely lose my sight looking for Junkion models in a sea of red & random, I should ensure someone will move the Junkion articles (currently 3) I've been writing to their proper location. Would you be so kind? If the articles aren't clear enough on which model/character is described, there's a small extra description in the mainpic temapltes (that I just figured out don't show up on the actual page). Pretty please? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 12:40, 17 November 2010 (EST)
: I don't own the Complete Ark, so it will have to wait for someone to divulge that information. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:49, 17 November 2010 (EST)
:: :( Well, I guess I could try pestering Sorenson about it. Sorry for bothering you. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:55, 17 November 2010 (EST)
::: I have the Complete Ark, but I'm finding your descriptions a little vague. I think I'd need screen shots or comic panels or whatever to work out who you're talking about. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 17:06, 17 November 2010 (EST)
::::As I said, the mainpic template contains a "screenshot description" that should make it possible to track who is who. Otherwise, [[:Image:TFTM Junkions.JPG|the three most in front in order are: kisser, double-eye and mouthplate]]. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:09, 17 November 2010 (EST)

== Talk:Bulkhead (Prime) ==

But every other kind of comment is allowed including swearing. The whole point of discussion pages is to discuss despite whether you think it's a waste. If it was in the wrong place then you should have said. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 09:46, 29 November 2010 (EST)
: "He looks kind of purple when he's under certain lighting" is not something that's worth discussing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:43, 29 November 2010 (EST)

== This might silence those who question the WFC/Exodus/Prime continuity ==

We finally have [http://www.unicron.com/news_item/2462/ official word] straight from the mouth of Hasbro itself that War for Cybertron, Exodus, and Prime are indeed in the same aligned continuity. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:16, 8 December 2010 (EST)
:So... exactly what we had BEFORE. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:24, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::Yeah, but, now we can point nonbelievers to the words directly, instead of them having to just take our word for it. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:33, 8 December 2010 (EST)
:::So... exactly what we had BEFORE. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:39, 8 December 2010 (EST)
:::On this very wiki: [[Hasbro_Q%26A/September_2010:_Answers]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:06, 8 December 2010 (EST)

== I Am Sorry ==

Hey look, I am here to apologize for the crap I have been saying. I was acting like a jerk for a while to you and It has really been haunting me recently. I know I need to work on my grammer, and I actually shouldn't posting anything since I am only in my second year in High School, and to be honest, I have only been a fan of TF for 9 years. I have really been a jerk recently and I just want to have a clean start now. I hope you understand. I am sorry, in other words, for all the crap I put you and this sight through.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 14:02, 22 December 2010 (EST)

== Walky..... ==
Care to tell me why you have blocked my IP? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:11, 23 January 2011 (EST)
:ItsWalky blocked your IP because of that Goldbug (IDW) toy deal of a few days ago. He may not have realized you were a regular contributor, but regardless, you should've started a third/fourth debate rather than declare the first two void because their results don't strike with your view on "reality". [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 06:20, 23 January 2011 (EST)
:: I blocked the anonymous IP who got into the edit war over removing Goldbug's toy info, which was just fucking obnoxious. If that was you, then whoops. Don't be a dickwad. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:16, 23 January 2011 (EST)

== You have Lugnut? ==

I've heard about you reviewing him, did you obtain him at a Brick & Mortar store like Walmart or Target? If so, which one (so the hunt may go on). Or was it through eBay/"specialty" store, or overseas? Moreso I'm wondering if the "not yet released" tag should still be applied to the Hasbro version on [[Lugnut (TF 2010)|his page]]. [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 23:28, 11 February 2011 (EST)
: I got him from Big Bad Toy Store. He has been seen in stores, but like many other toys these days, he's having trouble hitting saturation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:45, 12 February 2011 (EST)

==Aw look==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/David_Willis_(cartoonist)_(2nd_nomination) Your Wikipedia page is up for deletion].

-Blackout-
:Yeah, a nomination you started. Big effing whup. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:04, 9 March 2011 (EST)
::Which is why it got a SpeedyKeep and the deletion tag is already gone. Nice try. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:52, 9 March 2011 (EST)

== Generations Scourge ==

Ohhh, yes, I see now. I didn't realise that his head could extend so far up. I thought it was just the normal extension for his robot mode. Bit of a pain to push back down, though...

Anyway, I apologise.

[[Special:Contributions/24.143.42.51|24.143.42.51]] 16:40, 26 March 2011 (EDT)

== Thanks! ==

Thank you for backing me up on the bolded-comma issue. I knew all those things people said about you couldn't be true! [[User:JW|JW]] 16:24, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

==A week?==
Don't you think that's a bit long for a regular editor to be banned? Far as I can tell, he didn't even get a warning. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 12:58, 29 April 2011 (EDT)
: It's not his first week-long ban. And he's been warned (and banned) about this behavior before. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:07, 29 April 2011 (EDT)
::Don't you think that's a bit short since that's about the only thing he does? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 13:11, 29 April 2011 (EDT)

==Iacon Archives==
Looking through the history of "Laserbeak (Cybertron)" and "Revelations Part 3", I see you were the one who called the archives the 'Iacon Archives'. Where did you get this name from, as it is not in the comics? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:45, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
: The archives appeared to be in Iacon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:17, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
:: Could you elaborate on "appeared"? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 03:02, 21 May 2011 (EDT)
::: Everything in the story happened in Iacon. Or under Iacon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:43, 21 May 2011 (EDT)
:::: Not really, since Vector Prime and co. first hang out at Kalis and Kaon also gets namedropped at some point. So... I guess that means the Archives' location can't be pinpointend any better than "somewhere on Cybertron". Thanks for helping me! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:14, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

==New User==
There I did everything you said also I don't know how to use user pages so I hope i'm doing this right.[[User:Chubzhac|Chubzhac]] 23:35, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

==External Links==
Is it ok to use external links for titles such as ''Star Trek: Leonard McCoy, Frontier Doctor''? -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 00:15, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
: In what context? I'd really rather prefer most external links remain in the External links section. I kinda hate when I click on a link in the body of an article, thinking there'll be something relevant on this site, only to be taken elsewhere. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:16, 31 May 2011 (EDT)

== Probation appeal ==

So, the incident that led to my probation was proposing that [[Dead End (Animated)]] move to "Dead End (Timelines)" on the basis that that was his franchise-of-origin. I brought the issue up on the Allspark's "Major Wiki work" thread because I had no idea why it was reverted and I couldn't talk about it here (because of the probation thing). [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=51208&view=findpost&p=1825571 The conclusion seemed to be] that I was ''technically'' correct, but the Wiki just didn't want to do it that way.
{{quote|The idea of moving the BotCon-exclusive Animated characters to a "Timelines" disambig is just one of those occasional instances where the instruction to "[[Help:Ignore all standards|ignore all standards]]" comes into play. Sometimes, it's just easier, more aesthetically pleasing, or just feels RIGHT to do things a certain way that may not be the way everything else is done.|[[Chris McFeely]]}}
I went about everything the right way, as far as I know. I put one move proposal tag on one page so it could be talked about. I gave a technically correct reason, "Franchise of origin. Like [[Cop-Tur (Timelines)]]". I do my best to remember to not do what I have been hollered at for doing in the past, but seriously, I had no way of knowing I was stepping into an instance of "ignore all standards". All you really had to do was revert my one move proposal with a big "We are ignoring all standards you moron!" in the change log. You would have felt better for hollering at me and I would have been clued in on what was going on and that would have been the end of it. So, can I please have my probation lifted? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:59, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

==When the past comes to haunt you==
[[Vector Sigma Chamber]] - I have no clue how it could be written so that it's significantly different from the Vector Sigma page. You've stated you believe it could be an article with its own worth. If you have time, would you please give the page its long needed update? 
Meanwhile, I have never been able to track down the source that the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'' is Shockwave's underwater base in the Marvel comics. You and Derik talked about the source being one of the letters pages, but would you have any idea which issue's letters page? 
As an aside, [[TFWiki.net 2011 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Entries|this page]] is locked, which would be all fine and stuff if not for the handful of article links that can not be fixed anymore. Could you please remove all of them? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:32, 15 June 2011 (EDT)

== New and ticked off ==

I'm new here. I have taken your suggestions into account, but there is one thing that still bothers me: no one else wants to help me. Can you lend a hand? --[[User:Ibreakthingz|The Breaker]] 19:24, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
:Nope - Random IP number
::What do you need help with? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:54, 20 June 2011 (EDT)
Let me tell you, I am SUPER excited to help the guy who starts off by telling me he's ticked off. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:03, 20 June 2011 (EDT)

== Oh man, sorry ==
I don't see any comments, only some guy asking about how the info and description of Cybertron should be. Sorry about the confusion. I actually don't think that I ever reverted it back O.o I don't remember that, I must have clicked on some wrong place or something. Again, sorry fellow Transformer-fan :) [[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] 11:15, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

User talk:Luka1184

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Luka1184:

User talk:Luka1184

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Luka1184:

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Hello. When we revert one of your edits, it's probably a good idea to go look at our edit comments to see why, rather than just putting it back up again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:10, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
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Cybertron (planet)

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[[Image:Cybertronplanet.jpg|right|300px|thumb|The planet Cybertron, as seen in the original series. Not pictured: Realistically sized buildings.]]

'''Cybertron''' is the home planet of the [[Transformer|Transformers]] and (usually) the body of their creator, [[Primus]]. Cybertron is ([[Beast Machines (cartoon)|almost]] [[Universe (2003 comic)| always]]) a shining metal, technological world; a planet of towering future cities without end and vast metallic plains, spiraling metal mountains and bottomless neon-lit chasms. Battling over control of Cybertron and its resources is frequently the motivation for, or origin of, the Transformers epic wars. Beyond these facts much about Cybertron can differ between continuities, see individual entries below.

{{bigquote|This world is older than you can imagine. It has sailed the starscape...tending budding galaxies...forever a buffer to [[Unicron|the approaching darkness]]. And now its fate...is in your hands.|A voice to [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]|[[The War Within issue 6|''The War Within'' #6]]}}

==Generation 1 / Beast Era==
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===Marvel Comics continuity===
[[Image: Marvel issue 1 Cybertron.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Just another Alpha Centauri sunrise.]]
Cybertron was the adopted form of the lord of the light gods [[Primus]], who trapped himself and [[Unicron]] in barren asteroids which they then shaped into their physical forms. While Unicron turned his prison into a transformable, humanoid body, Primus reformed himself into a vast Saturn-sized machine-world, home for a [[Transformer| robotic race]] he created to fight Unicron with similar [[Transformation| transformation]] abilities. {{storylink|Primal Scream (issue)|Primal Scream}}

{{note|A Saturn-sized metal world like Cybertron is an impossibility under our current understanding of the laws of physics. Then again it was created by and infused with the power of a “space god” so, well, if anyone’s gonna bend those laws…}}

It has been suggested that the [[Demon]]s in the darkness were the world’s original inhabitants, locked away beneath the world by Primus, though this remains unconfirmed.
Aside from the Transformers, the world seems to possess the mechanical equivalent of plant and animal life, though the exact nature and origin of this lower "life" has never been examined in detail. This version of Cybertron has rough hewn [[Manganese Mountains|mountain ranges]] and great [[Rust Sea|seas]]. (Though of note these seas are not made of water. Liquid water is so rare on Cybertron as to be thought a mythical substance. Alternative substances these bodies are filled with are mercury {{storylink|The Smelting Pool!}} and liquid helium {{storylink|Primal Scream (issue)|Primal Scream}}/{{storylink|Letters page (Marvel UK)|Darn 'n' Blast #303}}) The atmosphere and temperature on most of the surface is such that human life can survive unaided.

In its earliest recorded era Cybertron orbited [[Alpha Centauri]], and the Transformers were at peace. But the avaricious [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] sought to rule the planet and turn it into a "cosmic [[wikipedia:Dreadnought|dreadnaught]]". This plan would find a kind of fruition, but not what Megatron intended: The cataclysmic forces of his [[Cybertronian Civil Wars|wars]] eventually sent the planet careening through deep space.

Its aimless journey brought it near [[Earth]] four million years ago. When our [[asteroid belt]] threatened it, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] led an expedition to clear the way. They were successful, but they were ambushed by [[Decepticons]] led by Megatron, and their battle ended with a crash-landing on Earth that left all the combatants deactivated. Their compatriots on Cybertron mourned their loss but continued the wars. {{storylink|The Transformers (issue)|The Transformers}}

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In the modern day, Prime and Megatron's troops were reactivated, and they eventually found their way back to Cybertron. The world had changed little in the intervening eons, but the return of the old legends helped bring about the fulfillment of the planet's destiny. Deep below the surface, a small group of the once-lost Autobots fought the [[Mayhem Attack Squad]] in a chamber containing the giant head of Primus. A stray shot hit the god's face, and he awoke with a scream that alerted Unicron to his location. When the Chaos Bringer arrived, the Autobots and Decepticons united against him, but the battle still wreaked havoc on the planet. Unicron was defeated by the opening of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], which destroyed both deities. {{storylink|On the Edge of Extinction!}} In the aftermath, Cybertron suffered storms and earthquakes that many believed would tear the world apart. {{storylink|Exodus!}} The remaining Transformers evacuated, but Cybertron was ultimately saved by a [[Neo-Knights|band of humans]] who awakened the [[Last Autobot]]. {{storylink|The Last Autobot?}} He was, it turned out, a safeguard put in place by Primus to guide the planet's reconstruction after the god's “death.” Cybertron was healed and for a time there was peace.

====Significant Locations====
*Cybertron has two moons. {{storylink|The Bridge to Nowhere!}}

*Cybertron was historically organized into city-states, the largest and most important being [[Iacon (city-state)|Iacon]]. Others have included [[Kalis]], [[Tarn]], and [[Vos]]. Within the province of [[Polyhex]] was the Decepticon stronghold called [[Darkmount]].

*Beneath the [[Mutant (G1)|Mutant]] filled sewers, the [[Demon|Demons in the Darkness]] were locked away.

*At the center of this Cybertron there was a room with a huge head of Primus on the wall where he slept and was watched over by the [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]]. Somewhere within the depths of Cybertron could also be found a chamber containing the [[Last Autobot]].

===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
[[Image:Cybertron-mtmte-actioncards1.jpg|left|180px|thumb|And that, my friends, is when you say "Look out below!"]]
Cybertron appeared [[Scale|considerably smaller than the planet Earth]]. Entirely metallic on the surface, some of the [[Organic core| lowest levels]] of Cybertron consisted of rock and dirt, suggesting an organic beginning to the planet. Its gravity was light enough that [[Human|humans]] were able to traverse the surface without any trouble, and it possessed a breathable atmosphere. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 2}} [[Water]], or at least a substance resembling it, was in evidence on the planet—lakes and rivers have been shown to exist, albeit sparingly. {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}} {{storylink|War Dawn}} Many levels below the surface was the energy-furnace, the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]], {{storylink|The Rebirth}} and at the heart of the planet was the spherical mega-computer, [[Vector Sigma]]. {{storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1}}

[[Image:G1 Cybertron's galaxy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|LOOK HOW LOUD I HAVE TO YELL!]]
Cybertron was orbited by at least three unnamed moons, but its own place in the cosmos appears unfixed—in [[1984]], it was clearly shown to exist outside of the [[Milky Way]]; on the cusp of an entirely different galaxy, in fact. {{storylink|Roll for It}} Nine million years prior, however, [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] and [[Jetfire (G1)|Skyfire]] had been able to fly from their home planet to Earth under their own power, {{storylink|Fire in the Sky}} suggesting that it may drift freely through space, and had been passing through the Sol System at that point, going on to drift out of the galaxy over the ensuing millennia.

If the assorted colourful exclamations made by numerous Transformers are anything to go by, Cybertron also played host to [[:Category:Cybertronic wildlife|a vast array of fauna]], including but not limited to: [[ant-droid|ant-droids]], [[bolt-bat|bolt-bats]], [[cyber-duck|cyber-ducks]], [[dynametal duck|dynametal ducks]], [[electro-toad|electro-toads]], [[glitch mouse|glitch mice]], [[guinea pig-o-tron|guinea pig-o-trons]], [[helio-hamster|helio-hamsters]], [[hydro-weasel|hydro-weasels]], [[photovoltaic pussycat|photovoltaic pussycats]], [[pidgeonoid]]s, [[retrorat|retrorats]], [[robo-rat|robo-rats]], [[sheepacron|sheepacrons]], [[titanium moosebot|titanium moosebots]], [[turbofox|turbofoxes]], [[zap-mouse|zap-mice]] and [[robotopossum|robotopossums]].

Twelve million years ago, the [[Quintesson]]s used Cybertron as a factory to manufacture their robot creations. Notably, the origins of the planet are never explicitly stated—the Quintessons may have built it, terraformed an organic world, or colonized an existing metal planet. Whatever the case, after a million years, the Quintessons were forced to abandon Cybertron when their robots evolved true sentience and feelings, and knew they were being used as slaves, rebelling in the [[Cybertronian Civil Wars|First Cybertronian War]]. The second war was soon to come, however, when the robots splintered into two factions, the peace-loving [[Autobot]]s and the war-mongering [[Decepticon]]s—and began fighting amongst themselves. With the Autobots' innovation of transformation, they were able to win—or at least stalemate—the war, and a period of peace descended on Cybertron, which shone with a healthy golden glow, distinguishing the period as the "[[Golden Age]]". {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

Eventually, however, Decepticons adopted transformation as well, along with robot-mode flight, and around nine million years ago, the creation of the Decepticon [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] re-ignited the war on Cybertron. Megatron rallied like-minded individuals to his cause, and brainwashed others into his service, quickly killing the current Autobot leader in a strike on one of [[Iacon (city-state)|Iacon]]'s outer cities. With this act kept out of the public knowledge, rumors circulated as Autobot machinesmith [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] worked diligently on a new process to reconstruct Autobots into battle-hardy configurations for the war he knew was coming. That war finally erupted in full when Megatron fatally injured a naive young dock worker, Orion Pax, and Alpha Trion made him the first subject of his new process, reconstructing him into [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]], who would lead the Autobots in the [[Great War (G1)|Third Cybertronian War]]. {{storylink|War Dawn}}

[[Image:Cybertron-mtmte-actioncards2.jpg|right|180px|thumb|]]
After a further five million years of war, during which many Autobots fled the planet, the Decepticons had acquired a large hold on the planet, with the majority of it under their control. The main Autobot force continued to operate from the capital city-state of Iacon, but Cybertron's energy levels were depleted to a dangerous low, necessitating a space mission to locate a new planet with new sources of energy that the Transformers could harness. Optimus Prime led his best and brightest on the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], but they were pursued by Megatron's elite troops, and all were stranded in stasis on Earth for four million years. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 1}}

[[Image:Cybertron-mtmte-actioncards3.jpg|left|180px|thumb|The white zone is for blasting Autobots only.]]
In the ensuing four million years, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], who Megatron had left in charge as guardian of the planet, maintained the Decepticon hold on the planet, though he was unaware of the continued guerrilla efforts of [[Elita One]]'s [[Female Autobots]] to undermine him as they raided his energy supplies. {{storylink|The Search for Alpha Trion}} Eventually, Cybertron's energy level dipped so low as to put the planet in immediate, mortal danger. Reestablishing contact with Megatron, who had awoken with the other Transformers on Earth in the year 1984, Shockwave co-designed the [[Space Bridge]], an intergalactic transport system that could transport [[Energon (fuel)|Energon]] Cubes from Earth to Cybertron, abating the planet's impending doom. {{storylink|Transport to Oblivion}}

[[Image:UltimateDoom2 Cybertron Earth.JPG|right|180px|thumb|I see a Cybertron a-risin'. I see trouble on the way.]]
Cybertron's place in the universe was forcibly altered in 1984 when the Decepticons constructed a colossal Space Bridge that actually transported the entire planet into the [[Solar system|Sol system]], into Earth's orbit,{{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 1}} where its gravity wreaked havoc with the planet's natural balance, unleashing an unending torrent of energy created by natural disasters. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 2}} The energy acquired re-energized Cybertron enough to put it out of the danger zone, but the planet was soon knocked out of orbit by a massive Energon explosion, and set drifting off through the solar system.{{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 3}} At this closer range, Cybertron remained easily accessed throughout 1985 at least, with the Autobots now able to reach it by conventional transportation ([[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]), rather than having to constantly hijack use of the spacebridge. {{storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1}}

By the Earth year 2005, Cybertron had exited the Sol system, but, remaining within the Milky Way, was still relatively easily accessible by shuttlecraft from Earth. By this time, the Decepticon forces had succeeded in conquering the entire planet, forcing all the Autobots off it, leading them to relocate to [[Autobot City]] on Earth, and to two staging ground bases on two of [[Moonbase One|Cybertron]]'s [[Moonbase Two|moons]]. It was at this time that Cybertron came under attack from the world eater, [[Unicron]], who consumed the two moonbases and assaulted Cybertron itself, only to be destroyed by the power of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Autobot Matrix of Leadership]]. His deactivated, decapitated head fell into orbit around Cybertron, a grisly new satellite to replace those he had destroyed. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}} With the Decepticon forces in disarray after Unicron's attack, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] and his troops succeeded in driving their foes off Cybertron, reclaiming the planet for the Autobots, and restoring and re-energizing much of the planet by 2006, {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}} when the world came under frequent attacks from the returning Quintessons, whose previously-secret history with the Transformers came to light. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

In the year 2007, Cybertron was once again wrenched from its place in space when [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] and the Decepticons invaded the planet and constructed a massive [[planetary engine]] that propelled Cybertron back into Earth orbit once more. Once there, Galvatron opened the Plasma Energy Chamber, intending for the energy release to drive the Sun supernova, consuming Earth, Cybertron and everything else in one final destructive blow. [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] and the Autobots' [[Nebulan]] allies were able to stop this plan by reversing the rocket engine, which drained off the excess solar energy and channeled it straight into Vector Sigma, which used it to fully re-energize Cybertron. Its rich golden hue restored, Cybertron entered a new Golden Age. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====

{{note|The events of the Generation 1 cartoon occur in Japanese cartoon continuity as detailed above, except that the events of "The Rebirth" do not occur. Japanese continuity inserts several new stories into the timeline, including an extensive 2007 retcon that revealed the complicated origins of Cybertron in this continuity.}}
=====''Kiss Players''=====

[[Image:OracleMatrix.jpg|left|180px|thumb|"It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree."]]
12 billion years ago, the ancient genius [[Primacron]] and his assistant, the [[Oracle (G1)|Oracle]] were attacked by Primacron's renegade creation Unicron. The Oracle's body was destroyed, but his essence, encased within a protective shell, fled to a dead planet at the center of the universe, which he proceeded to transform into a verdant, living world.

In time, the Quintessons discovered the Oracle's world and invaded, taking control of the Oracle and his powers. The Oracle was transformed by the Quintessons into the mega-computer [[Vector Sigma]] and also obtained the shell that had held his essence, which went on to become the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. Using the power of the [[Key to Vector Sigma]], the Quintessons transformed the Oracle's green planet into the metallic Cybertron. {{storylink|Generation 1 cartoon timeline (Japan)|2007 TakaraTomy Transformers timeline}}
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=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====

In 2011, it was discovered that the release of the energy of the Matrix by Optimus Prime to cure the [[Hate Plague]] had much more far-reaching consequences that anyone suspected. With the Matrix's energy depleted, Vector Sigma's balance—permanently tilted in favor of the Autobots by the existence of the Matrix—was reset to neutrality, allowing the Decepticons, bolstered by their new [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] troops, to freely invade Cybertron. Eventually, this forced Optimus Prime to sacrifice his life by merging with Vector Sigma in order to stabilize the computer before it destroyed Cybertron from within.{{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}

Not long thereafter, Vector Sigma developed a new metal alloy dubbed [[Cybertonuron]], which enticed Galvatron into another raid on the planet. However, the Decepticon Headmaster leader, [[Scorponok (G1)|Zarak]], feared the power that Galvatron would gain from the alloy, and so, to prevent either him or the Autobots from obtaining it, arranged for his Headmasters to plant bombs at the core of the planet, within Vector Sigma's chamber. The Autobots were unable to stop the countdown and the bombs detonated, tearing Cybertron apart and leaving it a charred uninhabitable ruin drifting in space. {{Storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}} {{Storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 2}}

=====''G-2'' story pages=====
When the Autobots and Decepticons finally laid down their arms and forged the [[Cybertron Alliance]], they rebuilt and restored Cybertron, using the energy known as [[Nucleon]], which Optimus Prime recovered from the core of a [[black hole]].

===Beast continuity===
====''Beast Wars'' cartoon====
[[Image:CybertronBW Transwarp.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Sunny with an 80% chance of lens flares. If you're traveling, watch out for transwarp waves.]]
[[Image:CybertronBW SolarSystem.jpg|right|150px|thumb|At least it's finally trying to keep an orbit.]]
Three hundred years after the end of the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], the Autobots and Decepticons had faded into obscurity while their descendants, the [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]], dominated Cybertron. The planet had found a star to orbit (eccentrically, but still), which reflected the relative stability that had come upon Cybertronian culture at last. The Maximals, inheriting the [[Pax Cybertronia]], ruled over the Predacons in a time of uneasy truce. Peacetime diversions had sprung up, such as the [[Six Lasers Over Cybertron]] amusement park. Or for more "mature" amusement, one could find joints where the servers went around without their torso plates on.

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====''Beast Machines'' cartoon====
[[Image:CybertronBM Season1.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Amidst Megatron's spark collection, a little pocket of validation blossomed.]]
The tranquility of that age would come to a rapid end when [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] returned from the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] and set a [[Transformation virus|virus]] loose on the world that incapacitated the population and paved the way for [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon]] rule.

As [[Optimus Primal]] and his Maximals fought back, several facts about the planet became apparent. It had at least two moons, one with big gashes in its surface. The Maximal city of [[Cybertropolis]] had been built over the ruins of [[Iacon (city-state)|Iacon]] and was home to billions of Transformers. And this was just the latest example of an eons-old trend of vertical expansion. In fleeing from the Vehicons, the Maximals found many layers of abandoned civilization, all the way down to the rocky crust of the world. There, fossils existed of bats, dinosaurs, and birds (which were well-preserved enough to harbor DNA). A few plants, such as trees and flowers, were seen growing underground or even occasionally breaking through to the surface. And stranger yet, drilling through the rock revealed the planet's green, oozing "organic core".

[[Image:CybertronBM Season2.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Times were so dark, the sun had a shadow.]]
Another previously-unseen feature of the planet—but one that went unremarked upon—was its heavy cloud cover. Across dimensions and timeframes, Cybertron has been conspicuously devoid of visible weather systems. But when the Maximals returned from the Beast Wars, their view from orbit showed extensive, unmistakable clouds (which were also seen from the ground). This wouldn't last forever, though: By the time [[Botanica (BM)|Botanica]] arrived, the clouds had vanished again. The only major planetary event in the meantime was the doomsday energy storm that occurred when Primal and Megatron pitted the [[Plasma energy|Plasma Energy Chamber]] against the [[Key to Vector Sigma]]. However, it is unclear whether this actually caused any meteorological effects.

Finding a chamber of fossils, [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] drew the conclusion that Cybertron's animals had been driven extinct by colonizing robots, a theory mildly supported by Primal's conviction that a balance between organic and mechanical needed to be "restored" to the planet. In the end, Primal's dream became a reality when he applied his "[[reformatting]]" power to the organic core and converted the entire world to a [[technorganic]] state.

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=====''Beast Wars Neo'' cartoon=====
Tens of thousands of years into the future, in the era of the [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]], Cybertron was reigned over by Vector Sigma itself, who handed down orders through the ruling body known as the [[Convoy Council]]. {{storylink|Big Convoy, Move Out}} When Unicron attempted to engineer his rebirth following his destruction eons beforehand, his [[Angolmois|lifeforce]] possessed Vector Sigma and briefly transformed Cybertron into his new body before he was defeated by [[Big Convoy]].

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===3H comics continuity===
According to the [[Al-Badur]], the Quintessons had once served Unicron, and in so doing, they found the "dimensional landing" of Primus: Cybertron. Rather than alert their master, however, they decided to capitalize on their discovery for their own purposes. They attempted to subvert Primus's creations via the Plasma Energy Chamber, but the [[Trans-Organic|results]] were disastrous. Success came when they placed a shell program over [[Vector Sigma]] and channeled the divine power into creating a subservient race. That race would one day rebel and become the Transformers, but the Quintessons' influence remained in the form of the Vector Sigma shell program—otherwise known as the Oracle. Primus could nonetheless sometimes send messages from Vector Sigma through the Oracle, but it is difficult to tell the difference. {{storylink|Disclosure}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
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{{note|The only continuity in which Cybertron has been mapped to some extent. A map of one hemisphere of the planet appears in the DK Transformers Ultimate Guide.}}

===Devil's Due comics continuity===
There aren't many details revealed in regards to Cybertron's past, but it involved the [[Quintesson]]s creating both [[Trans-Organic|transorganics]] and the gladiator and slave races that would evolve into the Decepticons and Autobots. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 1}}

Following Optimus Prime and Megatron's crash on Earth, Cybertron was conquered by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. The planet was also the location of [[Teletran 3]], which accidentally transported members of [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] and [[Cobra]] to the alien world. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 1}}

Shockwave was eventually defeated and the Decepticons were driven back to the [[Gladiator Zone]], allowing Cybertron to be at peace for the first time in millennia. A [[warp gate]] was set up between Cybertron and [[Area 52 (G1)|Area 52]] on Earth. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 1}} The peace was interrupted when [[Serpent O.R.]] warped to Cybertron and took control of the Decepticons, but he was eventually defeated. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5}} Notable locations on Cybertron included [[Capitol City]] and the large junkyards where the [[cannibalizer]]s would reside. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 3}}

After the death of Serpent O.R., Cybertron was peaceful yet again, and seemingly stayed that way. {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2}}

===IDW comics continuity===
The Transformers' homeworld is located around [[wikipedia:Lambda_Scorpii|Shaula]] which can be seen from Earth as the second brightest object in the constellation [[wikipedia:Scorpius|Scorpius]] located in its tail. <ref>[http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=705 Simon Furman Q&A]</ref>

It is possible that Cybertron was originally an organic world with organic lifeforms, and that they deliberately made the evolutionary jump to cyborgs and, eventually, to fully mechanical lifeforms. {{storylink|Spotlight: Nightbeat}} In fact, the world of [[Gorlam Prime]], a massive experiment by [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] in evolutionary science, gradually changed into a metal world full of transforming robots. The inhabitants forgot its old name and existence, and renamed it... Cybertron. This raises interesting questions about the planet's origin... {{storylink|Spotlight: Sideswipe}}

Cybertron is the only known world with naturally occurring [[Energon (fuel)|energon]]. {{storylink|Escalation issue 1}} This resource occurs deep beneath the surface and was initially mined by hand, before the mines became automated, and the labourers lost their livelihoods. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 1}}

Some 1500 years ago, the constant fighting and the stripping of Cybertron's natural resources by both Autobot and Decepticon to feed their age-long war led to a terrible [[Thunderwing (G1)|cataclysm]] that rendered Cybertron uninhabitable. With no atmosphere, Cybertron's surface was unprotected from cosmic radiation and was wracked by plasma storms. Transformers had to divert energy to their personal shielding in order to remain on the surface for short periods; the surface was presumably immediately lethal for humans. Gravity was also weaker than normal and Transformers needed [[magno-tread]]s to walk on the surface. The Transformer race abandoned the planet (save for occasional scientific surveys from orbit) and began conducting its conflict across the galaxy.

According to Autobot command directives, landing on Cybertron was forbidden. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 1|Stormbringer #1}} However, with the resurrection (and subsequent defeat) of Thunderwing, this directive was lifted due to the unusual circumstances. {{storylink|Spotlight: Galvatron}}

Around the year 1997, the wise [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] returned to Cybertron with a plan to revive the planet. Through years of work, he began to repair Cybertron's atmosphere and rid it of radiation, though the planet remained dead and resourceless. {{storylink|Any Old Iron}}

Many years later, the Decepticons created the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] on Cybertron, which had the side effect of also creating thousands of mindless monsters dubbed the [[Insecticon swarm]]. After the Decepticons defeated the Autobots on Earth, they sent their battered enemies through a portal to Cybertron, where the swarm would finish them off. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 7}} By this time, Alpha Trion's hard work had eliminated much of the radiation and electromagnetic storms, so the Autobots survived their stay on the planet with only minor pains. {{storylink|Any Old Iron}} Later, the Autobot starship ''[[Trion]]'' was shot down over Cybertron, and its crew joined the rest of the survivors on its surface. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 5}} They were eventually rescued by [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 10}}

Most of the Insecticon swarm survived their brushes with the Autobots and stayed on Cybertron, which interfered with Alpha Trion's plans. In order to make Cybertron habitable again, he first needed to get rid of the swarm, and thus he revived [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] to take care of them. {{storylink|Ironing Out the Details}} Trion then left again, with only Ironhide, [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] and a few hundred swarm members remaining on the planet. {{storylink|Any Old Iron}}

==Robots in Disguise==
[[Image:RID Cybertron.jpg|right|thumb|Well, it's... uh... it's green!]]
Cybertron was located near or orbiting a larger ringed world,{{storylink|Ultra Magnus (episode)|Ultra Magnus}} and had an [[asteroid prison colony]] in which dangerous Decepticon and Predacon prisoners were interred.{{storylink|The Final Battle (RID)|The Final Battle}} At one point there were a series of civil wars, in which [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Ultra Magnus]], both creations of [[Alpha Trion (RID)|Alpha Trion]], fought side-by-side. Following the wars, Magnus was honored, but [[Vector Sigma]] selected Optimus as Autobot leader and bestowed on him the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus: Forced Fusion!}} The [[Predacon (RID)|Predacon]]s on Cybertron were ruled over by a [[Predacon Council|council]], of which [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]] was a subordinate,{{storylink|Mystery of the Ultra Magnus}} though he once claimed to be "leader of the Predacons and future ruler of the galaxy" and that he was already "ruler of many worlds".{{storylink|Battle Protocol!}}
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==Unicron Trilogy==
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[[Primus]], a "unique digital entity", came to exist eons ago. To search for other life in the universe, it sent out the Transformers as explorers. One of the first places the Transformers settled was on a planet that would eventually become known as Cybertron. {{storylink|First Encounter}}

[[Image:PlanetCybertron Armada.jpg|left|165px|thumb|Flaky crust.]]
Cybertron is the body of Primus. Much like the versions of Cybertron before it, it is a metallic planet that is damaged by conflict. Cybertron existed in an unnamed system until the ''Energon'' series, where it was pulled from orbit and pushed into another part of space (or universe) that [[Alpha Quintesson]] had created.

In ''Energon'', Cybertron was equipped with a system of [[energon tower]]s that could surround the planet with a protective field, which has since been disabled due to Decepticon attack.

Cybertron had at least one known moon in the ''Armada'' series, but this moon turned out to be Unicron. It is unknown whether it was always Unicron's depowered body, or if the moon somehow became a new "host" body for him.

[[Image:PlanetCybertron Energon.jpg|right|165px|thumb|I can see my house from here!]]
Through the ages, Cybertron has had many repairs, causing new "layers" to be added to the surface of the planet. Deep within the core is a pool of [[Super Energon]] that was once guarded by the four ancient combiners, [[Constructicon Maximus]], and [[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Bruticus Maximus]], [[Superion Maximus]], and the latter's unnamed brother.

At the end of the ''Energon'' series, Cybertron was granted a new sun when Primus trapped Unicron's spark within a ball of Super Energon, igniting it. This sun would eventually collapse, becoming the [[Unicron Singularity]].

[[Image:PlanetCybertron GalaxyForce.jpg|left|165px|thumb|You DENTED it!]]
It is unknown how large Cybertron is in this continuity, but it is most likely [[Scale|the size of Earth or smaller]]. Cybertron has an atmosphere, but it was unbreathable by Earth life forms as when [[Rad White|Rad]], [[Carlos Lopez|Carlos]] and [[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]] visited the planet in 2010, they required spacesuits to operate on the surface; by 2020, however, humans were capable of surviving without specialised suits, indicating that an oxygen/nitrogen-based atmosphere may have somehow been generated by the planet or created by Transformers or humans artificially.

In the ''Cybertron'' series, much of the planet had been repaired, including the construction of a "[[Sky Dome]]" headquarters where important meetings are held. This structure housed the artifacts that were used to mount the [[Omega Lock]], which unlocks the robot form of Cybertron.

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==Live-action ''Transformers'' movie continuity==
[[Image:Movie Cybertron.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Cybertron as it didn't appear in the movie.]]
Cybertron was a world created by a device known as the [[AllSpark]]. With its power, it created a race of dimensional travelers, the [[Thirteen original Transformers|Thirteen Primes]], and made Cybertron suitable for their habitation. The Primes soon discovered that while the AllSpark's power was vast, it was also finite, needing to be recharged. The universe soon provided the answer, for a nearby star went nova, recharging the AllSpark. Though the Primes could travel dimensions, they needed help locating stars and harvesting their energy. The AllSpark responded by creating two things to help the Primes. The first gift was the second race of Cybertronians, the [[Transformer]]s, who could change their forms. The Thirteen Primes ruled over the Transformers with their descendants, forming the [[Dynasty of Primes]], to protect the AllSpark and Cybertron, while seeking out stars to harvest. The Dynasty even shared their dimensional traveling abilities with the [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seeker]]s, those tasked with finding stars. Once they found a star, the Dynasty would follow with [[Constructicon (ROTF)|builders]] to forge a [[star harvester|harvester]] to drain a star of its energy and send it to the AllSpark to form [[Energon (fuel)|Energon]]. The second gift the AllSpark gave the Dynasty was the [[Matrix of Leadership]], a key which contained the essence of the AllSpark and powered the harvesters. The Dynasty of Primes recognized the potential for destruction the harvesters presented, so they decreed that any star system which supported life was to be spared.

One day, the Dynasty of Primes and their attendants came to [[Earth|a world]] to harvest its [[sun|star]]. Just as the harvester was completed, the Primes discovered [[human|primitive but sentient creatures]]. Twelve of the Primes upheld the sanctity of life, but the thirteenth despised the creatures as insects and sought to steal the AllSpark's power for himself. What followed was the very first battle of Transformer against Transformer, as the rogue Prime and his loyalists waged war against the Dynasty of Primes and their loyalists. The rogue Prime murdered eleven of his brothers, but the twelfth stole the Matrix and hid it a [[Tomb of the Primes|tomb]] forged from the bodies of his brothers, sacrificing his own spark to seal the Tomb. The rogue Prime, now known as [[The Fallen]], dispatched the Seekers to find the Matrix. When he returned to Cybertron, he brought his war there as well, killing the rest of the Primes and destroying his brothers' [[Sarcophagus|sarcophagi]] to prevent them from returning. However, he expended much of his power in this process and withdrew to his own sarcophagus to heal. It was there that he learned that he'd made two mistakes: First, the spirits of his brothers were able to seal him in the sarcophagus, preventing him taking over Cybertron. Second, the warriors of the Dynasty had managed to save a single orphan, hiding him from the Fallen. The Dynasty of Primes passed into the realm of legend. {{storylink|Defiance issue 3|Defiance #3}} {{storylink|Defiance issue 4|Defiance #4}} {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen issue 3|Revenge of the Fallen #3}}

Eventually, what little the Transformers knew of their origins would be lost to time. A new society arose, known as the [[Autobot]]s. The Autobots were a peaceful people, led by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]], head of the [[Science Division]], and [[Megatron (Movie)|Protector Megatron]], head of the [[Defense Force]]. The two leaders created a balance; Optimus was fair while Megatron was firm. {{storylink|Movie Prequel issue 1|Movie Prequel #1}} Their world's main cities included [[Tyger Pax]], [[Metrotitan (ROTF)|Metrotitan]], [[Simfur]], and the capital city of [[Trypticon (Movie)|Trypticon]]. Another area of importance was [[Burthov]], where the Science Division had many facilities. In time, the Autobots began work on a dig near the [[Simfur Temple]], discovering the remains of the Twelve's sarcophagi and the intact sarcophagus of The Fallen. At the same time, unknown [[Eshems alien|alien hostiles]] attacked Cybertron. Megatron had Optimus remove the intact artifact to his quarters to better protect it, allowing him to come under the influence of The Fallen. {{storylink|Defiance issue 1|Defiance #1}} {{storylink|Defiance issue 2|Defiance #2}}

[[Image:Movie Cybertron surfaceconcept.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Hell on Cybertron. Image taken from New York skyline.]]
As Megatron began to grow more aggressive, Optimus discovered that he was the orphaned Prime hidden away when the Dynasty fell. Megatron raised an army, the Decepticons, and sought to take the AllSpark to conquer the universe. However, most of the early Decepticon forces left on the [[Nemesis (ROTF)|''Nemesis'']] with The Fallen and [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] to seek out the harvester. With the number of Megatron's Decepticons now diminished, Optimus assumed his proper [[Prime (rank)|title]] and raised his own army of Autobots. In the war that followed, Cybertron was decimated. Prime eventually sent the AllSpark through a wormhole into deep space, and Megatron pursued it. Both were lost. Without the AllSpark's power, Cybertron became a dead world. The Autobots and the Decepticons scattered across the galaxy, hoping either to create a new world or locate the AllSpark and restore Cybertron. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}} A number of Transformers remained, with the Decepticons centered in Trypticon (now a ''Decepticon'' capital), but this didn't last long. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream}}

Geography-wise, the surface of Cybertron is a mystery. Large rivers of liquid criss-cross the planet, though whether this is lava, molten metal, or possibly [[Energon (fuel)|energon]] is anyone's guess. In more urbanized areas, such as the city of [[Tyger Pax]], the stone and lava seem to be covered over with steel or other refined metal. However, these incidents took place during the war, so it may have been the result of the devastation Cybertron saw. This liquid is even on the tops of ''buildings''! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

Internally, Cybertron has similar features to the inside of a ''Transformer'', including gyroscopic joints. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 20|Return to Cybertron, Part: 4}}

In ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]'', the third and proposed last installment in the ''Transformers'' film trilogy, Megatron's plan is to use the pillars found in the Autobot spaceship, the Ark, to create a Space Bridge and use it to transport Cybertron into Earth's atmosphere to rebuild it. At some point during the war for Cybertron, the Ark escaped, being piloted by Sentinel Prime, the Prime and leader of the Autobots before Optimus. But the Ark crash landed on Earth's Moon.

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While everyone had abandoned Cybertron, the twin Autobot [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] hung out there for a while, and Starscream began organising [[Purple generic drones|an army]] there in secret. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

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Cybertron's status was unknown, with everyone abandoning it as it began to die. However, [[Stockade (Movie)|Stockade]] and a group of Decepticons remained, staying alive by using [[Nucleon]]. Stockade believed they could renew Cybertron by summoning a new power source, one related to the AllSpark. They succeeded in summoning such an energy being, {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 17|Return to Cybertron: Part 1}} which did enter Cybertron to renew it...

[[Image:Unicron Titan19.JPG|right|200px|thumb|The Beast Planet!]]
...and to everyone's horror, announced itself as [[Unicron|Unicron, the Anti-Life]]! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 18|Return to Cybertron: Part 2}}

The possessed Cybertron was swiftly altered into a scarier-looking form with a large mouth and grasping prongs, turned hostile to those on it, and warped to the Sol system. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 19|Return to Cybertron: Part 3}} The Autobots and Decepticons were able to destroy Unicron, but Cybertron was left in its transformed state and seemingly in the Sol system, as well as continuing to be dead and powerless. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 20|Return to Cybertron: Part 4}}

When the Autobots were ordered off American soil, they regrouped ''under'' Cybertron and began working on the teleportation engines that Unicron had left there when he transformed the planet. Using these, they were able to make a decisive strike by teleporting the entire Decepticon army to Cybertron, then teleporting ''Cybertron'' to the far reaches of space. With the engines now burnt out and no energy on the planet, the Decepticons were marooned there, at the cost of the Autobots never being able to go home. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 24|Revolution Part 2}} {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 25|Revolution Part 3}}
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==Animated==
[[Image:Animated Cybertron.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Pointier than most.]]
In an interesting turn of events, the Decepticons have been driven entirely from the planet. Autobot mastery of [[space bridge]] technology, and their strategic relocation of the [[AllSpark]] led to ultimate victory, and a Cybertron where an entire generation has seen neither [[armor-plating]] nor transistor of a Decepticon.
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According to [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]], it doesn't rain liquid on Cybertron. {{storylink|Where Is Thy Sting?}}

==Aligned==
[[Image:WFCCybertron.jpg|200px|thumb|]]
[[Image:DarknessRising4-Cybertron.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Well, at least there's ''one'' consistency.]]
Cybertron is orbited by three "near-Cybertron" objects: [[Moonbase One|Moon Bases One]] and [[Moonbase Two|Two]] and the [[Trypticon (WFC)|Trypticon Asteroid Belt Station]], each on opposite hemispheres of the planet (presumably the [[Iacon (city-state)|Iacon]]ian and [[Kaon]]ian sides). Beyond the moons and asteroid belt floats the last of the great [[Space bridge|Space Bridges]], the long-abandoned interstellar transportation system that once connected Cybertron to its colonies [[Velocitron]], [[Gigantion]] and the [[Hub (G2)|Hub]] elsewhere in the galaxy.

[[Unicron]] attacked this Cybertron early on in its history, presumably after all but [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|one]] of [[the Primes]] left once their squabbles escalated into murder. The [[Covenant of Primus]] decreed only one [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] could rule at a time, with the thirteen members of the [[Autobot High Council|High Council]]. The Quintessons seized control but an [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]] named [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Sentinel]] led the revolution, and with the High Council and the [[Guilds of Cybertron|Guilds]], he led to the Transformers to a [[Golden Age]] of expansion. As the space bridges became less reliable and contact with the colonies was lost, Sentinel and the Guilds instituted the [[caste system]] to slow their civilization's decline. The High Council and their Guards were in charge of law and order, but each state controlled its own militia.

But as the nameless miners resorted to [[gladiatorial combat]] as an outlet for their misery, a champion named [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] rose to seize the title of Prime for himself. Unwittingly, his Iaconian ally was appointed [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] instead, and their anti-caste movement became a civil war for Cybertron's future. The [[AllSpark]] was lost to space, whole regions of the planet were laid waste, and the [[core]] of Cybertron was poisoned by [[Dark Energon]], the remnants of Unicron's attack, prompting the Autobots to evacuate on the ''[[Ark (WFC)|Ark]]''. Megatron and his elite forces left on Trypticon too, now modified into the ''Nemesis'', leaving [[Shockwave (WFC)|Shockwave]] to deal with the [[Wrecker]]s. ''{{storylink|Transformers: Exodus}}''

In the present, Megatron raised a [[zombie]] [[Terrorcon (Prime)|Terrorcon]] army from Cybertron's dead by hurling solidified Dark Energon at it through a space bridge. His plan to have them sack Earth was foiled, when the Autobots turned the Energon pump on the space bridge and caused it to implode. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 5}}

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==Toys==
===Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers===
[[Image:Cybertron Primus toy.jpg|350px|thumb|]]
*'''Primus''' (Supreme, 2006)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-00'''
**''Accessories:'' Omega Lock, special silver Cybertron planet-type Cyber Planet Key

:[[Primus]] transforms into the planet Cybertron as seen in the [[Cybertron (cartoon)|''Cybertron'' cartoon series]]. In planet mode, he is considerably more detailed than [[Unicron]] from the [[Armada (toyline)|''Armada'' line]], with visible cities, including [[Iacon (city-state)|Iacon]], based upon its appearance in the [[DK Publishing]] book, ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'', and [[Kaon]] as seen in ''[[The War Within]]''. On the "bottom" of the planet mode there are four hard rubber legs, molded to be shaped like towers, allowing Primus to be displayed in planet mode, yet not require a flat base as Unicron did.

:Primus's transformation is unusual, in many ways similar to a [[Powermaster]], in that he requires the owner to insert his accompanying [[Omega Lock]] accessory into several special ports around the planet, then manipulate it to unlock his parts and transform him. When the Omega Lock is inserted into his back and pushed, a transforming sound is heard. When it is inserted into his chest and pushed up to reveal his head, his eyes glow red and a laser-type sound effect is heard. The Lock itself lights up red when it is inserted into any of the ports.

:In robot mode, Primus resembles both the ''[[Beast Wars Neo (franchise)|Beast Wars Neo]]'' Unicron prototype as well as [[Don Figueroa]]'s Primus concept, created for ''The War Within'' and used in ''The Ultimate Guide''. He is bristling with weaponry, including two shoulder-mounted cannons that can fire missiles, two forearm blasters that raise and extend when a Cyber Power Key is inserted, and several banks of Gatling guns, lasers and missile launchers in his shins and legs revealed by the Omega Lock.

:Primus also has what might charitably be called a third mode—an intergalactic world-ship, which is basically formed by transforming the figure halfway and leaving the head down and the legs backward. It features no dedicated parts or transformation steps, making it very obvious that it was created after the fact.

:Primus comes with two accessories, the aforementioned battery-operated Omega Lock that lights up red when inserted into any of the four Omega Lock ports, and a special silver Cybertron-Planet Cyber Power Key with the key code '''sp8u''' [[tampograph]]ed onto the back. Any four Cyber Planet Keys can be inserted into the four key slots at the base of the Omega Lock, though doing this does not activate any feature. There are also nine inactive [[Mini-Con]] [[powerlinx]] ports on the Primus figure, including two on the claws on his legs.

:Primus was developed by Hasbro and Takara as a toy for their joint ''Cybertron/Galaxy Force'' toylines, but was released in Japan in the ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' line a few months after ''Galaxy Force'' had ended its run. This release can be considered a pre-release of the ''Cybertron'' toy because it features Hasbro's [[Cyber Key Codes]] that the ''Galaxy Force'' line lacked.

===Cybertron===
*'''Cybertron Primus''' (Supreme, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Omega Lock, special silver Cybertron planet-type Cyber Planet Key

:Cybertron Primus is the North American version of Primus, released a few months after the Japanese release. Both toys are identical.

:In North America, limited early-run versions of Cybertron Primus came packaged with a very creepy "battle damaged" [[Unicron]] head based upon the planet eater's ''Armada'' appearance.

:A later version, [[exclusive]] to [[Wal-Mart]] as a [[Black Friday (event)|Black Friday]] 2006 special, included four Mini-Cons; [[Strongarm (Cybertron)|Strongarm]], [[Knockdown (Cybertron)|Knockdown]], [[Nightscream (Cybertron)|Nightscream]], and [[Offshoot (Cybertron)|Offshoot]].

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===Transformers 2010===
[[Image:Primus_2010.jpg|300px|thumb|]]
*'''Creator Primus''' (2010)
**''Accessories:''
:To celebrate the year [[Transformers 2010 (franchise)|2010]], Takara [[redeco]]ed the previous Primus toy. It is primarily silver and gold in planet mode, with blue robot parts. A blue [[Omega Lock]] is also included.

:Primus includes the retooled Cybertron style Cyber Key which was originally available with both [[:Image:Cybertron OptimusPrime deluxe toy.jpg|Cybertron Planet Deluxe Class Optimus Prime]] and [[:Image:Cybertron-toy Demolishor.JPG|Cybertron Planet Deluxe Class Demolisher]]. The Cyber Key features a "blank" central area (so any faction symbol could be tampographed on) and a Mini-Con-style Powerlinx socket on the back. The Cyber Key included with this figure is entirely unpainted, aside from the tampographed Autobot symbol.
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==Notes==
*The name "Cybertron" was used by Marvel Comics long before the Transformers series came about. In issue 48 of the original ''X-Men'' title (released in September 1968), a computer named Computo created a race of robots named the "Cybertrons".<ref>[http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/computoxm.htm Computo and the "Cybertrons" at the Appendix to the Handbook of the Marvel Universe]</ref>
*Cybertron's "gashed" moon, often glimpsed during the course of Beast Machines, is heavily based on one side of a modern sculpture by Arnaldo Pomodoro, "Sphere with Sphere" ("Sfera con Sfera"), that can be found in the Vatican City's Courtyard of the Pinecone.<ref>[http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/italy/rome/pomodoro/0003.jpg Photo of ''Sfera con Sfera'']</ref> See, kids? Transformers IS educational.
*The size of the Planet Cybertron varies between different continuities. In one, the diameter of the planet is around 6,300 km, while the Marvel comics describe it as "Saturn-sized," placing its diameter at around 120,000 km.<ref>[http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/bible/wottf.html World of TRANSFORMERS]</ref> We can probably lay these at the feet of Primus, who is god after all, and can decide to be whatever size he wants.
*Towards the end of the original comic run, Blaster was asked in the [[Letters page (Marvel UK)|UK Letters Page]] whether Cybertron would be turned into a Transformer. His response was "No. More likely it will turn into a rapidly expanding ball of component molecules, the way things are going at the moment". [[Primus|Oh, what fools time makes of us all]].<ref>[http://transfans.co.uk/popup.php?id=2242 Letters page for Marvel UK Issue #323]</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Cybertron''' (セイバートロン ''Seibātoron''),<ref>For decades, Western fans have typically opted to render the Japanese pronunciation of the planet's name as "Seibertron" (pronounced "Say-ber-tron") in order to distinguish it from the Japanese name of the Autobots, the "Cybertrons" (pronounced "Sigh-ber-tron"). However, several Japanese sources actually spell it as "Cybertron" in English, including the [[Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)|''Headmasters'' video game]], the covers of the ''"Planet of Cybertron Guide"'' books included with Takara's mid-90s laserdisc sets of the original cartoon, a ''Beast Wars'' [http://www18.tok2.com/home/jackhama/transformers/bwtcard_2/img/043.jpg trading card], and the packaging for ''Galaxy Force'' toys. Sources beyond these are surprisingly scarce, although an article in the December 1985 issue of ''[[Comic Bom Bom]]'' did render the planet's name in English as, of all things, "Saybertron".</ref> '''Cybertron''' (サイバトロン ''Saibatoron'')

*''English:'' '''Cyberton''' ([[Omni Productions]] dub)
*''Hungarian:'' '''Kibertron''', '''Kájbertron''' (first ''The Movie'' dub), '''Mesterséges bolygó''' (''Energon'', "Artificial planet")

==References==
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==External links==
* [http://transfans.co.uk/comics_guide_detail.php?id=447 Transformers #303 Letters Page on Transfans.co.uk]

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Cybertron (planet)

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[[Image:Cybertronplanet.jpg|right|300px|thumb|The planet Cybertron, as seen in the original series. Not pictured: Realistically sized buildings.]]

'''Cybertron''' is the home planet of the [[Transformer|Transformers]] and (usually) the body of their creator, [[Primus]]. Cybertron is ([[Beast Machines (cartoon)|almost]] [[Universe (2003 comic)| always]]) a shining metal, technological world; a planet of towering future cities without end and vast metallic plains, spiraling metal mountains and bottomless neon-lit chasms. Battling over control of Cybertron and its resources is frequently the motivation for, or origin of, the Transformers epic wars. Beyond these facts much about Cybertron can differ between continuities, see individual entries below.

{{bigquote|This world is older than you can imagine. It has sailed the starscape...tending budding galaxies...forever a buffer to [[Unicron|the approaching darkness]]. And now its fate...is in your hands.|A voice to [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]|[[The War Within issue 6|''The War Within'' #6]]}}

==Generation 1 / Beast Era==
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===Marvel Comics continuity===
[[Image: Marvel issue 1 Cybertron.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Just another Alpha Centauri sunrise.]]
Cybertron was the adopted form of the lord of the light gods [[Primus]], who trapped himself and [[Unicron]] in barren asteroids which they then shaped into their physical forms. While Unicron turned his prison into a transformable, humanoid body, Primus reformed himself into a vast Saturn-sized machine-world, home for a [[Transformer| robotic race]] he created to fight Unicron with similar [[Transformation| transformation]] abilities. {{storylink|Primal Scream (issue)|Primal Scream}}

{{note|A Saturn-sized metal world like Cybertron is an impossibility under our current understanding of the laws of physics. Then again it was created by and infused with the power of a “space god” so, well, if anyone’s gonna bend those laws…}}

It has been suggested that the [[Demon]]s in the darkness were the world’s original inhabitants, locked away beneath the world by Primus, though this remains unconfirmed.
Aside from the Transformers, the world seems to possess the mechanical equivalent of plant and animal life, though the exact nature and origin of this lower "life" has never been examined in detail. This version of Cybertron has rough hewn [[Manganese Mountains|mountain ranges]] and great [[Rust Sea|seas]]. (Though of note these seas are not made of water. Liquid water is so rare on Cybertron as to be thought a mythical substance. Alternative substances these bodies are filled with are mercury {{storylink|The Smelting Pool!}} and liquid helium {{storylink|Primal Scream (issue)|Primal Scream}}/{{storylink|Letters page (Marvel UK)|Darn 'n' Blast #303}}) The atmosphere and temperature on most of the surface is such that human life can survive unaided.

In its earliest recorded era Cybertron orbited [[Alpha Centauri]], and the Transformers were at peace. But the avaricious [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] sought to rule the planet and turn it into a "cosmic [[wikipedia:Dreadnought|dreadnaught]]". This plan would find a kind of fruition, but not what Megatron intended: The cataclysmic forces of his [[Cybertronian Civil Wars|wars]] eventually sent the planet careening through deep space.

Its aimless journey brought it near [[Earth]] four million years ago. When our [[asteroid belt]] threatened it, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] led an expedition to clear the way. They were successful, but they were ambushed by [[Decepticons]] led by Megatron, and their battle ended with a crash-landing on Earth that left all the combatants deactivated. Their compatriots on Cybertron mourned their loss but continued the wars. {{storylink|The Transformers (issue)|The Transformers}}

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In the modern day, Prime and Megatron's troops were reactivated, and they eventually found their way back to Cybertron. The world had changed little in the intervening eons, but the return of the old legends helped bring about the fulfillment of the planet's destiny. Deep below the surface, a small group of the once-lost Autobots fought the [[Mayhem Attack Squad]] in a chamber containing the giant head of Primus. A stray shot hit the god's face, and he awoke with a scream that alerted Unicron to his location. When the Chaos Bringer arrived, the Autobots and Decepticons united against him, but the battle still wreaked havoc on the planet. Unicron was defeated by the opening of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], which destroyed both deities. {{storylink|On the Edge of Extinction!}} In the aftermath, Cybertron suffered storms and earthquakes that many believed would tear the world apart. {{storylink|Exodus!}} The remaining Transformers evacuated, but Cybertron was ultimately saved by a [[Neo-Knights|band of humans]] who awakened the [[Last Autobot]]. {{storylink|The Last Autobot?}} He was, it turned out, a safeguard put in place by Primus to guide the planet's reconstruction after the god's “death.” Cybertron was healed and for a time there was peace.

====Significant Locations====
*Cybertron has two moons. {{storylink|The Bridge to Nowhere!}}

*Cybertron was historically organized into city-states, the largest and most important being [[Iacon (city-state)|Iacon]]. Others have included [[Kalis]], [[Tarn]], and [[Vos]]. Within the province of [[Polyhex]] was the Decepticon stronghold called [[Darkmount]].

*Beneath the [[Mutant (G1)|Mutant]] filled sewers, the [[Demon|Demons in the Darkness]] were locked away.

*At the center of this Cybertron there was a room with a huge head of Primus on the wall where he slept and was watched over by the [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]]. Somewhere within the depths of Cybertron could also be found a chamber containing the [[Last Autobot]].

===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
[[Image:Cybertron-mtmte-actioncards1.jpg|left|180px|thumb|And that, my friends, is when you say "Look out below!"]]
Cybertron appeared [[Scale|considerably smaller than the planet Earth]]. Entirely metallic on the surface, some of the [[Organic core| lowest levels]] of Cybertron consisted of rock and dirt, suggesting an organic beginning to the planet. Its gravity was light enough that [[Human|humans]] were able to traverse the surface without any trouble, and it possessed a breathable atmosphere. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 2}} [[Water]], or at least a substance resembling it, was in evidence on the planet—lakes and rivers have been shown to exist, albeit sparingly. {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}} {{storylink|War Dawn}} Many levels below the surface was the energy-furnace, the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]], {{storylink|The Rebirth}} and at the heart of the planet was the spherical mega-computer, [[Vector Sigma]]. {{storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1}}

[[Image:G1 Cybertron's galaxy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|LOOK HOW LOUD I HAVE TO YELL!]]
Cybertron was orbited by at least three unnamed moons, but its own place in the cosmos appears unfixed—in [[1984]], it was clearly shown to exist outside of the [[Milky Way]]; on the cusp of an entirely different galaxy, in fact. {{storylink|Roll for It}} Nine million years prior, however, [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] and [[Jetfire (G1)|Skyfire]] had been able to fly from their home planet to Earth under their own power, {{storylink|Fire in the Sky}} suggesting that it may drift freely through space, and had been passing through the Sol System at that point, going on to drift out of the galaxy over the ensuing millennia.

If the assorted colourful exclamations made by numerous Transformers are anything to go by, Cybertron also played host to [[:Category:Cybertronic wildlife|a vast array of fauna]], including but not limited to: [[ant-droid|ant-droids]], [[bolt-bat|bolt-bats]], [[cyber-duck|cyber-ducks]], [[dynametal duck|dynametal ducks]], [[electro-toad|electro-toads]], [[glitch mouse|glitch mice]], [[guinea pig-o-tron|guinea pig-o-trons]], [[helio-hamster|helio-hamsters]], [[hydro-weasel|hydro-weasels]], [[photovoltaic pussycat|photovoltaic pussycats]], [[pidgeonoid]]s, [[retrorat|retrorats]], [[robo-rat|robo-rats]], [[sheepacron|sheepacrons]], [[titanium moosebot|titanium moosebots]], [[turbofox|turbofoxes]], [[zap-mouse|zap-mice]] and [[robotopossum|robotopossums]].

Twelve million years ago, the [[Quintesson]]s used Cybertron as a factory to manufacture their robot creations. Notably, the origins of the planet are never explicitly stated—the Quintessons may have built it, terraformed an organic world, or colonized an existing metal planet. Whatever the case, after a million years, the Quintessons were forced to abandon Cybertron when their robots evolved true sentience and feelings, and knew they were being used as slaves, rebelling in the [[Cybertronian Civil Wars|First Cybertronian War]]. The second war was soon to come, however, when the robots splintered into two factions, the peace-loving [[Autobot]]s and the war-mongering [[Decepticon]]s—and began fighting amongst themselves. With the Autobots' innovation of transformation, they were able to win—or at least stalemate—the war, and a period of peace descended on Cybertron, which shone with a healthy golden glow, distinguishing the period as the "[[Golden Age]]". {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

Eventually, however, Decepticons adopted transformation as well, along with robot-mode flight, and around nine million years ago, the creation of the Decepticon [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] re-ignited the war on Cybertron. Megatron rallied like-minded individuals to his cause, and brainwashed others into his service, quickly killing the current Autobot leader in a strike on one of [[Iacon (city-state)|Iacon]]'s outer cities. With this act kept out of the public knowledge, rumors circulated as Autobot machinesmith [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] worked diligently on a new process to reconstruct Autobots into battle-hardy configurations for the war he knew was coming. That war finally erupted in full when Megatron fatally injured a naive young dock worker, Orion Pax, and Alpha Trion made him the first subject of his new process, reconstructing him into [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]], who would lead the Autobots in the [[Great War (G1)|Third Cybertronian War]]. {{storylink|War Dawn}}

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After a further five million years of war, during which many Autobots fled the planet, the Decepticons had acquired a large hold on the planet, with the majority of it under their control. The main Autobot force continued to operate from the capital city-state of Iacon, but Cybertron's energy levels were depleted to a dangerous low, necessitating a space mission to locate a new planet with new sources of energy that the Transformers could harness. Optimus Prime led his best and brightest on the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], but they were pursued by Megatron's elite troops, and all were stranded in stasis on Earth for four million years. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 1}}

[[Image:Cybertron-mtmte-actioncards3.jpg|left|180px|thumb|The white zone is for blasting Autobots only.]]
In the ensuing four million years, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], who Megatron had left in charge as guardian of the planet, maintained the Decepticon hold on the planet, though he was unaware of the continued guerrilla efforts of [[Elita One]]'s [[Female Autobots]] to undermine him as they raided his energy supplies. {{storylink|The Search for Alpha Trion}} Eventually, Cybertron's energy level dipped so low as to put the planet in immediate, mortal danger. Reestablishing contact with Megatron, who had awoken with the other Transformers on Earth in the year 1984, Shockwave co-designed the [[Space Bridge]], an intergalactic transport system that could transport [[Energon (fuel)|Energon]] Cubes from Earth to Cybertron, abating the planet's impending doom. {{storylink|Transport to Oblivion}}

[[Image:UltimateDoom2 Cybertron Earth.JPG|right|180px|thumb|I see a Cybertron a-risin'. I see trouble on the way.]]
Cybertron's place in the universe was forcibly altered in 1984 when the Decepticons constructed a colossal Space Bridge that actually transported the entire planet into the [[Solar system|Sol system]], into Earth's orbit,{{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 1}} where its gravity wreaked havoc with the planet's natural balance, unleashing an unending torrent of energy created by natural disasters. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 2}} The energy acquired re-energized Cybertron enough to put it out of the danger zone, but the planet was soon knocked out of orbit by a massive Energon explosion, and set drifting off through the solar system.{{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 3}} At this closer range, Cybertron remained easily accessed throughout 1985 at least, with the Autobots now able to reach it by conventional transportation ([[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]), rather than having to constantly hijack use of the spacebridge. {{storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1}}

By the Earth year 2005, Cybertron had exited the Sol system, but, remaining within the Milky Way, was still relatively easily accessible by shuttlecraft from Earth. By this time, the Decepticon forces had succeeded in conquering the entire planet, forcing all the Autobots off it, leading them to relocate to [[Autobot City]] on Earth, and to two staging ground bases on two of [[Moonbase One|Cybertron]]'s [[Moonbase Two|moons]]. It was at this time that Cybertron came under attack from the world eater, [[Unicron]], who consumed the two moonbases and assaulted Cybertron itself, only to be destroyed by the power of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Autobot Matrix of Leadership]]. His deactivated, decapitated head fell into orbit around Cybertron, a grisly new satellite to replace those he had destroyed. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}} With the Decepticon forces in disarray after Unicron's attack, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] and his troops succeeded in driving their foes off Cybertron, reclaiming the planet for the Autobots, and restoring and re-energizing much of the planet by 2006, {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}} when the world came under frequent attacks from the returning Quintessons, whose previously-secret history with the Transformers came to light. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

In the year 2007, Cybertron was once again wrenched from its place in space when [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] and the Decepticons invaded the planet and constructed a massive [[planetary engine]] that propelled Cybertron back into Earth orbit once more. Once there, Galvatron opened the Plasma Energy Chamber, intending for the energy release to drive the Sun supernova, consuming Earth, Cybertron and everything else in one final destructive blow. [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] and the Autobots' [[Nebulan]] allies were able to stop this plan by reversing the rocket engine, which drained off the excess solar energy and channeled it straight into Vector Sigma, which used it to fully re-energize Cybertron. Its rich golden hue restored, Cybertron entered a new Golden Age. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====

{{note|The events of the Generation 1 cartoon occur in Japanese cartoon continuity as detailed above, except that the events of "The Rebirth" do not occur. Japanese continuity inserts several new stories into the timeline, including an extensive 2007 retcon that revealed the complicated origins of Cybertron in this continuity.}}
=====''Kiss Players''=====

[[Image:OracleMatrix.jpg|left|180px|thumb|"It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree."]]
12 billion years ago, the ancient genius [[Primacron]] and his assistant, the [[Oracle (G1)|Oracle]] were attacked by Primacron's renegade creation Unicron. The Oracle's body was destroyed, but his essence, encased within a protective shell, fled to a dead planet at the center of the universe, which he proceeded to transform into a verdant, living world.

In time, the Quintessons discovered the Oracle's world and invaded, taking control of the Oracle and his powers. The Oracle was transformed by the Quintessons into the mega-computer [[Vector Sigma]] and also obtained the shell that had held his essence, which went on to become the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. Using the power of the [[Key to Vector Sigma]], the Quintessons transformed the Oracle's green planet into the metallic Cybertron. {{storylink|Generation 1 cartoon timeline (Japan)|2007 TakaraTomy Transformers timeline}}
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=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====

In 2011, it was discovered that the release of the energy of the Matrix by Optimus Prime to cure the [[Hate Plague]] had much more far-reaching consequences that anyone suspected. With the Matrix's energy depleted, Vector Sigma's balance—permanently tilted in favor of the Autobots by the existence of the Matrix—was reset to neutrality, allowing the Decepticons, bolstered by their new [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] troops, to freely invade Cybertron. Eventually, this forced Optimus Prime to sacrifice his life by merging with Vector Sigma in order to stabilize the computer before it destroyed Cybertron from within.{{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}

Not long thereafter, Vector Sigma developed a new metal alloy dubbed [[Cybertonuron]], which enticed Galvatron into another raid on the planet. However, the Decepticon Headmaster leader, [[Scorponok (G1)|Zarak]], feared the power that Galvatron would gain from the alloy, and so, to prevent either him or the Autobots from obtaining it, arranged for his Headmasters to plant bombs at the core of the planet, within Vector Sigma's chamber. The Autobots were unable to stop the countdown and the bombs detonated, tearing Cybertron apart and leaving it a charred uninhabitable ruin drifting in space. {{Storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}} {{Storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 2}}

=====''G-2'' story pages=====
When the Autobots and Decepticons finally laid down their arms and forged the [[Cybertron Alliance]], they rebuilt and restored Cybertron, using the energy known as [[Nucleon]], which Optimus Prime recovered from the core of a [[black hole]].

===Beast continuity===
====''Beast Wars'' cartoon====
[[Image:CybertronBW Transwarp.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Sunny with an 80% chance of lens flares. If you're traveling, watch out for transwarp waves.]]
[[Image:CybertronBW SolarSystem.jpg|right|150px|thumb|At least it's finally trying to keep an orbit.]]
Three hundred years after the end of the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], the Autobots and Decepticons had faded into obscurity while their descendants, the [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]], dominated Cybertron. The planet had found a star to orbit (eccentrically, but still), which reflected the relative stability that had come upon Cybertronian culture at last. The Maximals, inheriting the [[Pax Cybertronia]], ruled over the Predacons in a time of uneasy truce. Peacetime diversions had sprung up, such as the [[Six Lasers Over Cybertron]] amusement park. Or for more "mature" amusement, one could find joints where the servers went around without their torso plates on.

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====''Beast Machines'' cartoon====
[[Image:CybertronBM Season1.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Amidst Megatron's spark collection, a little pocket of validation blossomed.]]
The tranquility of that age would come to a rapid end when [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] returned from the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] and set a [[Transformation virus|virus]] loose on the world that incapacitated the population and paved the way for [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon]] rule.

As [[Optimus Primal]] and his Maximals fought back, several facts about the planet became apparent. It had at least two moons, one with big gashes in its surface. The Maximal city of [[Cybertropolis]] had been built over the ruins of [[Iacon (city-state)|Iacon]] and was home to billions of Transformers. And this was just the latest example of an eons-old trend of vertical expansion. In fleeing from the Vehicons, the Maximals found many layers of abandoned civilization, all the way down to the rocky crust of the world. There, fossils existed of bats, dinosaurs, and birds (which were well-preserved enough to harbor DNA). A few plants, such as trees and flowers, were seen growing underground or even occasionally breaking through to the surface. And stranger yet, drilling through the rock revealed the planet's green, oozing "organic core".

[[Image:CybertronBM Season2.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Times were so dark, the sun had a shadow.]]
Another previously-unseen feature of the planet—but one that went unremarked upon—was its heavy cloud cover. Across dimensions and timeframes, Cybertron has been conspicuously devoid of visible weather systems. But when the Maximals returned from the Beast Wars, their view from orbit showed extensive, unmistakable clouds (which were also seen from the ground). This wouldn't last forever, though: By the time [[Botanica (BM)|Botanica]] arrived, the clouds had vanished again. The only major planetary event in the meantime was the doomsday energy storm that occurred when Primal and Megatron pitted the [[Plasma energy|Plasma Energy Chamber]] against the [[Key to Vector Sigma]]. However, it is unclear whether this actually caused any meteorological effects.

Finding a chamber of fossils, [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] drew the conclusion that Cybertron's animals had been driven extinct by colonizing robots, a theory mildly supported by Primal's conviction that a balance between organic and mechanical needed to be "restored" to the planet. In the end, Primal's dream became a reality when he applied his "[[reformatting]]" power to the organic core and converted the entire world to a [[technorganic]] state.

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=====''Beast Wars Neo'' cartoon=====
Tens of thousands of years into the future, in the era of the [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]], Cybertron was reigned over by Vector Sigma itself, who handed down orders through the ruling body known as the [[Convoy Council]]. {{storylink|Big Convoy, Move Out}} When Unicron attempted to engineer his rebirth following his destruction eons beforehand, his [[Angolmois|lifeforce]] possessed Vector Sigma and briefly transformed Cybertron into his new body before he was defeated by [[Big Convoy]].

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===3H comics continuity===
According to the [[Al-Badur]], the Quintessons had once served Unicron, and in so doing, they found the "dimensional landing" of Primus: Cybertron. Rather than alert their master, however, they decided to capitalize on their discovery for their own purposes. They attempted to subvert Primus's creations via the Plasma Energy Chamber, but the [[Trans-Organic|results]] were disastrous. Success came when they placed a shell program over [[Vector Sigma]] and channeled the divine power into creating a subservient race. That race would one day rebel and become the Transformers, but the Quintessons' influence remained in the form of the Vector Sigma shell program—otherwise known as the Oracle. Primus could nonetheless sometimes send messages from Vector Sigma through the Oracle, but it is difficult to tell the difference. {{storylink|Disclosure}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
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{{note|The only continuity in which Cybertron has been mapped to some extent. A map of one hemisphere of the planet appears in the DK Transformers Ultimate Guide.}}

===Devil's Due comics continuity===
There aren't many details revealed in regards to Cybertron's past, but it involved the [[Quintesson]]s creating both [[Trans-Organic|transorganics]] and the gladiator and slave races that would evolve into the Decepticons and Autobots. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 1}}

Following Optimus Prime and Megatron's crash on Earth, Cybertron was conquered by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. The planet was also the location of [[Teletran 3]], which accidentally transported members of [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] and [[Cobra]] to the alien world. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 1}}

Shockwave was eventually defeated and the Decepticons were driven back to the [[Gladiator Zone]], allowing Cybertron to be at peace for the first time in millennia. A [[warp gate]] was set up between Cybertron and [[Area 52 (G1)|Area 52]] on Earth. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 1}} The peace was interrupted when [[Serpent O.R.]] warped to Cybertron and took control of the Decepticons, but he was eventually defeated. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5}} Notable locations on Cybertron included [[Capitol City]] and the large junkyards where the [[cannibalizer]]s would reside. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 3}}

After the death of Serpent O.R., Cybertron was peaceful yet again, and seemingly stayed that way. {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2}}

===IDW comics continuity===
The Transformers' homeworld is located around [[wikipedia:Lambda_Scorpii|Shaula]] which can be seen from Earth as the second brightest object in the constellation [[wikipedia:Scorpius|Scorpius]] located in its tail. <ref>[http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=705 Simon Furman Q&A]</ref>

It is possible that Cybertron was originally an organic world with organic lifeforms, and that they deliberately made the evolutionary jump to cyborgs and, eventually, to fully mechanical lifeforms. {{storylink|Spotlight: Nightbeat}} In fact, the world of [[Gorlam Prime]], a massive experiment by [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] in evolutionary science, gradually changed into a metal world full of transforming robots. The inhabitants forgot its old name and existence, and renamed it... Cybertron. This raises interesting questions about the planet's origin... {{storylink|Spotlight: Sideswipe}}

Cybertron is the only known world with naturally occurring [[Energon (fuel)|energon]]. {{storylink|Escalation issue 1}} This resource occurs deep beneath the surface and was initially mined by hand, before the mines became automated, and the labourers lost their livelihoods. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 1}}

Some 1500 years ago, the constant fighting and the stripping of Cybertron's natural resources by both Autobot and Decepticon to feed their age-long war led to a terrible [[Thunderwing (G1)|cataclysm]] that rendered Cybertron uninhabitable. With no atmosphere, Cybertron's surface was unprotected from cosmic radiation and was wracked by plasma storms. Transformers had to divert energy to their personal shielding in order to remain on the surface for short periods; the surface was presumably immediately lethal for humans. Gravity was also weaker than normal and Transformers needed [[magno-tread]]s to walk on the surface. The Transformer race abandoned the planet (save for occasional scientific surveys from orbit) and began conducting its conflict across the galaxy.

According to Autobot command directives, landing on Cybertron was forbidden. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 1|Stormbringer #1}} However, with the resurrection (and subsequent defeat) of Thunderwing, this directive was lifted due to the unusual circumstances. {{storylink|Spotlight: Galvatron}}

Around the year 1997, the wise [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] returned to Cybertron with a plan to revive the planet. Through years of work, he began to repair Cybertron's atmosphere and rid it of radiation, though the planet remained dead and resourceless. {{storylink|Any Old Iron}}

Many years later, the Decepticons created the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] on Cybertron, which had the side effect of also creating thousands of mindless monsters dubbed the [[Insecticon swarm]]. After the Decepticons defeated the Autobots on Earth, they sent their battered enemies through a portal to Cybertron, where the swarm would finish them off. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 7}} By this time, Alpha Trion's hard work had eliminated much of the radiation and electromagnetic storms, so the Autobots survived their stay on the planet with only minor pains. {{storylink|Any Old Iron}} Later, the Autobot starship ''[[Trion]]'' was shot down over Cybertron, and its crew joined the rest of the survivors on its surface. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 5}} They were eventually rescued by [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 10}}

Most of the Insecticon swarm survived their brushes with the Autobots and stayed on Cybertron, which interfered with Alpha Trion's plans. In order to make Cybertron habitable again, he first needed to get rid of the swarm, and thus he revived [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] to take care of them. {{storylink|Ironing Out the Details}} Trion then left again, with only Ironhide, [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] and a few hundred swarm members remaining on the planet. {{storylink|Any Old Iron}}

==Robots in Disguise==
[[Image:RID Cybertron.jpg|right|thumb|Well, it's... uh... it's green!]]
Cybertron was located near or orbiting a larger ringed world,{{storylink|Ultra Magnus (episode)|Ultra Magnus}} and had an [[asteroid prison colony]] in which dangerous Decepticon and Predacon prisoners were interred.{{storylink|The Final Battle (RID)|The Final Battle}} At one point there were a series of civil wars, in which [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Ultra Magnus]], both creations of [[Alpha Trion (RID)|Alpha Trion]], fought side-by-side. Following the wars, Magnus was honored, but [[Vector Sigma]] selected Optimus as Autobot leader and bestowed on him the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus: Forced Fusion!}} The [[Predacon (RID)|Predacon]]s on Cybertron were ruled over by a [[Predacon Council|council]], of which [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]] was a subordinate,{{storylink|Mystery of the Ultra Magnus}} though he once claimed to be "leader of the Predacons and future ruler of the galaxy" and that he was already "ruler of many worlds".{{storylink|Battle Protocol!}}
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==Unicron Trilogy==
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[[Primus]], a "unique digital entity", came to exist eons ago. To search for other life in the universe, it sent out the Transformers as explorers. One of the first places the Transformers settled was on a planet that would eventually become known as Cybertron. {{storylink|First Encounter}}

[[Image:PlanetCybertron Armada.jpg|left|165px|thumb|Flaky crust.]]
Cybertron is the body of Primus. Much like the versions of Cybertron before it, it is a metallic planet that is damaged by conflict. Cybertron existed in an unnamed system until the ''Energon'' series, where it was pulled from orbit and pushed into another part of space (or universe) that [[Alpha Quintesson]] had created.

In ''Energon'', Cybertron was equipped with a system of [[energon tower]]s that could surround the planet with a protective field, which has since been disabled due to Decepticon attack.

Cybertron had at least one known moon in the ''Armada'' series, but this moon turned out to be Unicron. It is unknown whether it was always Unicron's depowered body, or if the moon somehow became a new "host" body for him.

[[Image:PlanetCybertron Energon.jpg|right|165px|thumb|I can see my house from here!]]
Through the ages, Cybertron has had many repairs, causing new "layers" to be added to the surface of the planet. Deep within the core is a pool of [[Super Energon]] that was once guarded by the four ancient combiners, [[Constructicon Maximus]], and [[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Bruticus Maximus]], [[Superion Maximus]], and the latter's unnamed brother.

At the end of the ''Energon'' series, Cybertron was granted a new sun when Primus trapped Unicron's spark within a ball of Super Energon, igniting it. This sun would eventually collapse, becoming the [[Unicron Singularity]].

[[Image:PlanetCybertron GalaxyForce.jpg|left|165px|thumb|You DENTED it!]]
It is unknown how large Cybertron is in this continuity, but it is most likely [[Scale|the size of Earth or smaller]]. Cybertron has an atmosphere, but it was unbreathable by Earth life forms as when [[Rad White|Rad]], [[Carlos Lopez|Carlos]] and [[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]] visited the planet in 2010, they required spacesuits to operate on the surface; by 2020, however, humans were capable of surviving without specialised suits, indicating that an oxygen/nitrogen-based atmosphere may have somehow been generated by the planet or created by Transformers or humans artificially.

In the ''Cybertron'' series, much of the planet had been repaired, including the construction of a "[[Sky Dome]]" headquarters where important meetings are held. This structure housed the artifacts that were used to mount the [[Omega Lock]], which unlocks the robot form of Cybertron.

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==Live-action ''Transformers'' movie continuity==
[[Image:Movie Cybertron.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Cybertron as it didn't appear in the movie.]]
Cybertron was a world created by a device known as the [[AllSpark]]. With its power, it created a race of dimensional travelers, the [[Thirteen original Transformers|Thirteen Primes]], and made Cybertron suitable for their habitation. The Primes soon discovered that while the AllSpark's power was vast, it was also finite, needing to be recharged. The universe soon provided the answer, for a nearby star went nova, recharging the AllSpark. Though the Primes could travel dimensions, they needed help locating stars and harvesting their energy. The AllSpark responded by creating two things to help the Primes. The first gift was the second race of Cybertronians, the [[Transformer]]s, who could change their forms. The Thirteen Primes ruled over the Transformers with their descendants, forming the [[Dynasty of Primes]], to protect the AllSpark and Cybertron, while seeking out stars to harvest. The Dynasty even shared their dimensional traveling abilities with the [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seeker]]s, those tasked with finding stars. Once they found a star, the Dynasty would follow with [[Constructicon (ROTF)|builders]] to forge a [[star harvester|harvester]] to drain a star of its energy and send it to the AllSpark to form [[Energon (fuel)|Energon]]. The second gift the AllSpark gave the Dynasty was the [[Matrix of Leadership]], a key which contained the essence of the AllSpark and powered the harvesters. The Dynasty of Primes recognized the potential for destruction the harvesters presented, so they decreed that any star system which supported life was to be spared.

One day, the Dynasty of Primes and their attendants came to [[Earth|a world]] to harvest its [[sun|star]]. Just as the harvester was completed, the Primes discovered [[human|primitive but sentient creatures]]. Twelve of the Primes upheld the sanctity of life, but the thirteenth despised the creatures as insects and sought to steal the AllSpark's power for himself. What followed was the very first battle of Transformer against Transformer, as the rogue Prime and his loyalists waged war against the Dynasty of Primes and their loyalists. The rogue Prime murdered eleven of his brothers, but the twelfth stole the Matrix and hid it a [[Tomb of the Primes|tomb]] forged from the bodies of his brothers, sacrificing his own spark to seal the Tomb. The rogue Prime, now known as [[The Fallen]], dispatched the Seekers to find the Matrix. When he returned to Cybertron, he brought his war there as well, killing the rest of the Primes and destroying his brothers' [[Sarcophagus|sarcophagi]] to prevent them from returning. However, he expended much of his power in this process and withdrew to his own sarcophagus to heal. It was there that he learned that he'd made two mistakes: First, the spirits of his brothers were able to seal him in the sarcophagus, preventing him taking over Cybertron. Second, the warriors of the Dynasty had managed to save a single orphan, hiding him from the Fallen. The Dynasty of Primes passed into the realm of legend. {{storylink|Defiance issue 3|Defiance #3}} {{storylink|Defiance issue 4|Defiance #4}} {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen issue 3|Revenge of the Fallen #3}}

Eventually, what little the Transformers knew of their origins would be lost to time. A new society arose, known as the [[Autobot]]s. The Autobots were a peaceful people, led by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]], head of the [[Science Division]], and [[Megatron (Movie)|Protector Megatron]], head of the [[Defense Force]]. The two leaders created a balance; Optimus was fair while Megatron was firm. {{storylink|Movie Prequel issue 1|Movie Prequel #1}} Their world's main cities included [[Tyger Pax]], [[Metrotitan (ROTF)|Metrotitan]], [[Simfur]], and the capital city of [[Trypticon (Movie)|Trypticon]]. Another area of importance was [[Burthov]], where the Science Division had many facilities. In time, the Autobots began work on a dig near the [[Simfur Temple]], discovering the remains of the Twelve's sarcophagi and the intact sarcophagus of The Fallen. At the same time, unknown [[Eshems alien|alien hostiles]] attacked Cybertron. Megatron had Optimus remove the intact artifact to his quarters to better protect it, allowing him to come under the influence of The Fallen. {{storylink|Defiance issue 1|Defiance #1}} {{storylink|Defiance issue 2|Defiance #2}}

[[Image:Movie Cybertron surfaceconcept.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Hell on Cybertron. Image taken from New York skyline.]]
As Megatron began to grow more aggressive, Optimus discovered that he was the orphaned Prime hidden away when the Dynasty fell. Megatron raised an army, the Decepticons, and sought to take the AllSpark to conquer the universe. However, most of the early Decepticon forces left on the [[Nemesis (ROTF)|''Nemesis'']] with The Fallen and [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] to seek out the harvester. With the number of Megatron's Decepticons now diminished, Optimus assumed his proper [[Prime (rank)|title]] and raised his own army of Autobots. In the war that followed, Cybertron was decimated. Prime eventually sent the AllSpark through a wormhole into deep space, and Megatron pursued it. Both were lost. Without the AllSpark's power, Cybertron became a dead world. The Autobots and the Decepticons scattered across the galaxy, hoping either to create a new world or locate the AllSpark and restore Cybertron. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}} A number of Transformers remained, with the Decepticons centered in Trypticon (now a ''Decepticon'' capital), but this didn't last long. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream}}

Geography-wise, the surface of Cybertron is a mystery. Large rivers of liquid criss-cross the planet, though whether this is lava, molten metal, or possibly [[Energon (fuel)|energon]] is anyone's guess. In more urbanized areas, such as the city of [[Tyger Pax]], the stone and lava seem to be covered over with steel or other refined metal. However, these incidents took place during the war, so it may have been the result of the devastation Cybertron saw. This liquid is even on the tops of ''buildings''! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

Internally, Cybertron has similar features to the inside of a ''Transformer'', including gyroscopic joints. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 20|Return to Cybertron, Part: 4}}

In ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]'', the third installment in the ''Transformers'' film trilogy, the Decepticons' plan is to use the hundreds of pillars loaded in the Autobot spaceship, the Ark, which managed to escape Cybertron but crash landed on the Moon. With them [[Megatron's|Megatron]] plan was to transport Cybertron into Earth's atmosphere to rebuild their homeworld.

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While everyone had abandoned Cybertron, the twin Autobot [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] hung out there for a while, and Starscream began organising [[Purple generic drones|an army]] there in secret. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

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Cybertron's status was unknown, with everyone abandoning it as it began to die. However, [[Stockade (Movie)|Stockade]] and a group of Decepticons remained, staying alive by using [[Nucleon]]. Stockade believed they could renew Cybertron by summoning a new power source, one related to the AllSpark. They succeeded in summoning such an energy being, {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 17|Return to Cybertron: Part 1}} which did enter Cybertron to renew it...

[[Image:Unicron Titan19.JPG|right|200px|thumb|The Beast Planet!]]
...and to everyone's horror, announced itself as [[Unicron|Unicron, the Anti-Life]]! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 18|Return to Cybertron: Part 2}}

The possessed Cybertron was swiftly altered into a scarier-looking form with a large mouth and grasping prongs, turned hostile to those on it, and warped to the Sol system. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 19|Return to Cybertron: Part 3}} The Autobots and Decepticons were able to destroy Unicron, but Cybertron was left in its transformed state and seemingly in the Sol system, as well as continuing to be dead and powerless. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 20|Return to Cybertron: Part 4}}

When the Autobots were ordered off American soil, they regrouped ''under'' Cybertron and began working on the teleportation engines that Unicron had left there when he transformed the planet. Using these, they were able to make a decisive strike by teleporting the entire Decepticon army to Cybertron, then teleporting ''Cybertron'' to the far reaches of space. With the engines now burnt out and no energy on the planet, the Decepticons were marooned there, at the cost of the Autobots never being able to go home. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 24|Revolution Part 2}} {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 25|Revolution Part 3}}
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==Animated==
[[Image:Animated Cybertron.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Pointier than most.]]
In an interesting turn of events, the Decepticons have been driven entirely from the planet. Autobot mastery of [[space bridge]] technology, and their strategic relocation of the [[AllSpark]] led to ultimate victory, and a Cybertron where an entire generation has seen neither [[armor-plating]] nor transistor of a Decepticon.
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According to [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]], it doesn't rain liquid on Cybertron. {{storylink|Where Is Thy Sting?}}

==Aligned==
[[Image:WFCCybertron.jpg|200px|thumb|]]
[[Image:DarknessRising4-Cybertron.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Well, at least there's ''one'' consistency.]]
Cybertron is orbited by three "near-Cybertron" objects: [[Moonbase One|Moon Bases One]] and [[Moonbase Two|Two]] and the [[Trypticon (WFC)|Trypticon Asteroid Belt Station]], each on opposite hemispheres of the planet (presumably the [[Iacon (city-state)|Iacon]]ian and [[Kaon]]ian sides). Beyond the moons and asteroid belt floats the last of the great [[Space bridge|Space Bridges]], the long-abandoned interstellar transportation system that once connected Cybertron to its colonies [[Velocitron]], [[Gigantion]] and the [[Hub (G2)|Hub]] elsewhere in the galaxy.

[[Unicron]] attacked this Cybertron early on in its history, presumably after all but [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|one]] of [[the Primes]] left once their squabbles escalated into murder. The [[Covenant of Primus]] decreed only one [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] could rule at a time, with the thirteen members of the [[Autobot High Council|High Council]]. The Quintessons seized control but an [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]] named [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Sentinel]] led the revolution, and with the High Council and the [[Guilds of Cybertron|Guilds]], he led to the Transformers to a [[Golden Age]] of expansion. As the space bridges became less reliable and contact with the colonies was lost, Sentinel and the Guilds instituted the [[caste system]] to slow their civilization's decline. The High Council and their Guards were in charge of law and order, but each state controlled its own militia.

But as the nameless miners resorted to [[gladiatorial combat]] as an outlet for their misery, a champion named [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] rose to seize the title of Prime for himself. Unwittingly, his Iaconian ally was appointed [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] instead, and their anti-caste movement became a civil war for Cybertron's future. The [[AllSpark]] was lost to space, whole regions of the planet were laid waste, and the [[core]] of Cybertron was poisoned by [[Dark Energon]], the remnants of Unicron's attack, prompting the Autobots to evacuate on the ''[[Ark (WFC)|Ark]]''. Megatron and his elite forces left on Trypticon too, now modified into the ''Nemesis'', leaving [[Shockwave (WFC)|Shockwave]] to deal with the [[Wrecker]]s. ''{{storylink|Transformers: Exodus}}''

In the present, Megatron raised a [[zombie]] [[Terrorcon (Prime)|Terrorcon]] army from Cybertron's dead by hurling solidified Dark Energon at it through a space bridge. His plan to have them sack Earth was foiled, when the Autobots turned the Energon pump on the space bridge and caused it to implode. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 5}}

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==Toys==
===Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers===
[[Image:Cybertron Primus toy.jpg|350px|thumb|]]
*'''Primus''' (Supreme, 2006)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-00'''
**''Accessories:'' Omega Lock, special silver Cybertron planet-type Cyber Planet Key

:[[Primus]] transforms into the planet Cybertron as seen in the [[Cybertron (cartoon)|''Cybertron'' cartoon series]]. In planet mode, he is considerably more detailed than [[Unicron]] from the [[Armada (toyline)|''Armada'' line]], with visible cities, including [[Iacon (city-state)|Iacon]], based upon its appearance in the [[DK Publishing]] book, ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'', and [[Kaon]] as seen in ''[[The War Within]]''. On the "bottom" of the planet mode there are four hard rubber legs, molded to be shaped like towers, allowing Primus to be displayed in planet mode, yet not require a flat base as Unicron did.

:Primus's transformation is unusual, in many ways similar to a [[Powermaster]], in that he requires the owner to insert his accompanying [[Omega Lock]] accessory into several special ports around the planet, then manipulate it to unlock his parts and transform him. When the Omega Lock is inserted into his back and pushed, a transforming sound is heard. When it is inserted into his chest and pushed up to reveal his head, his eyes glow red and a laser-type sound effect is heard. The Lock itself lights up red when it is inserted into any of the ports.

:In robot mode, Primus resembles both the ''[[Beast Wars Neo (franchise)|Beast Wars Neo]]'' Unicron prototype as well as [[Don Figueroa]]'s Primus concept, created for ''The War Within'' and used in ''The Ultimate Guide''. He is bristling with weaponry, including two shoulder-mounted cannons that can fire missiles, two forearm blasters that raise and extend when a Cyber Power Key is inserted, and several banks of Gatling guns, lasers and missile launchers in his shins and legs revealed by the Omega Lock.

:Primus also has what might charitably be called a third mode—an intergalactic world-ship, which is basically formed by transforming the figure halfway and leaving the head down and the legs backward. It features no dedicated parts or transformation steps, making it very obvious that it was created after the fact.

:Primus comes with two accessories, the aforementioned battery-operated Omega Lock that lights up red when inserted into any of the four Omega Lock ports, and a special silver Cybertron-Planet Cyber Power Key with the key code '''sp8u''' [[tampograph]]ed onto the back. Any four Cyber Planet Keys can be inserted into the four key slots at the base of the Omega Lock, though doing this does not activate any feature. There are also nine inactive [[Mini-Con]] [[powerlinx]] ports on the Primus figure, including two on the claws on his legs.

:Primus was developed by Hasbro and Takara as a toy for their joint ''Cybertron/Galaxy Force'' toylines, but was released in Japan in the ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' line a few months after ''Galaxy Force'' had ended its run. This release can be considered a pre-release of the ''Cybertron'' toy because it features Hasbro's [[Cyber Key Codes]] that the ''Galaxy Force'' line lacked.

===Cybertron===
*'''Cybertron Primus''' (Supreme, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Omega Lock, special silver Cybertron planet-type Cyber Planet Key

:Cybertron Primus is the North American version of Primus, released a few months after the Japanese release. Both toys are identical.

:In North America, limited early-run versions of Cybertron Primus came packaged with a very creepy "battle damaged" [[Unicron]] head based upon the planet eater's ''Armada'' appearance.

:A later version, [[exclusive]] to [[Wal-Mart]] as a [[Black Friday (event)|Black Friday]] 2006 special, included four Mini-Cons; [[Strongarm (Cybertron)|Strongarm]], [[Knockdown (Cybertron)|Knockdown]], [[Nightscream (Cybertron)|Nightscream]], and [[Offshoot (Cybertron)|Offshoot]].

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===Transformers 2010===
[[Image:Primus_2010.jpg|300px|thumb|]]
*'''Creator Primus''' (2010)
**''Accessories:''
:To celebrate the year [[Transformers 2010 (franchise)|2010]], Takara [[redeco]]ed the previous Primus toy. It is primarily silver and gold in planet mode, with blue robot parts. A blue [[Omega Lock]] is also included.

:Primus includes the retooled Cybertron style Cyber Key which was originally available with both [[:Image:Cybertron OptimusPrime deluxe toy.jpg|Cybertron Planet Deluxe Class Optimus Prime]] and [[:Image:Cybertron-toy Demolishor.JPG|Cybertron Planet Deluxe Class Demolisher]]. The Cyber Key features a "blank" central area (so any faction symbol could be tampographed on) and a Mini-Con-style Powerlinx socket on the back. The Cyber Key included with this figure is entirely unpainted, aside from the tampographed Autobot symbol.
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==Notes==
*The name "Cybertron" was used by Marvel Comics long before the Transformers series came about. In issue 48 of the original ''X-Men'' title (released in September 1968), a computer named Computo created a race of robots named the "Cybertrons".<ref>[http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/computoxm.htm Computo and the "Cybertrons" at the Appendix to the Handbook of the Marvel Universe]</ref>
*Cybertron's "gashed" moon, often glimpsed during the course of Beast Machines, is heavily based on one side of a modern sculpture by Arnaldo Pomodoro, "Sphere with Sphere" ("Sfera con Sfera"), that can be found in the Vatican City's Courtyard of the Pinecone.<ref>[http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/italy/rome/pomodoro/0003.jpg Photo of ''Sfera con Sfera'']</ref> See, kids? Transformers IS educational.
*The size of the Planet Cybertron varies between different continuities. In one, the diameter of the planet is around 6,300 km, while the Marvel comics describe it as "Saturn-sized," placing its diameter at around 120,000 km.<ref>[http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/bible/wottf.html World of TRANSFORMERS]</ref> We can probably lay these at the feet of Primus, who is god after all, and can decide to be whatever size he wants.
*Towards the end of the original comic run, Blaster was asked in the [[Letters page (Marvel UK)|UK Letters Page]] whether Cybertron would be turned into a Transformer. His response was "No. More likely it will turn into a rapidly expanding ball of component molecules, the way things are going at the moment". [[Primus|Oh, what fools time makes of us all]].<ref>[http://transfans.co.uk/popup.php?id=2242 Letters page for Marvel UK Issue #323]</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Cybertron''' (セイバートロン ''Seibātoron''),<ref>For decades, Western fans have typically opted to render the Japanese pronunciation of the planet's name as "Seibertron" (pronounced "Say-ber-tron") in order to distinguish it from the Japanese name of the Autobots, the "Cybertrons" (pronounced "Sigh-ber-tron"). However, several Japanese sources actually spell it as "Cybertron" in English, including the [[Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)|''Headmasters'' video game]], the covers of the ''"Planet of Cybertron Guide"'' books included with Takara's mid-90s laserdisc sets of the original cartoon, a ''Beast Wars'' [http://www18.tok2.com/home/jackhama/transformers/bwtcard_2/img/043.jpg trading card], and the packaging for ''Galaxy Force'' toys. Sources beyond these are surprisingly scarce, although an article in the December 1985 issue of ''[[Comic Bom Bom]]'' did render the planet's name in English as, of all things, "Saybertron".</ref> '''Cybertron''' (サイバトロン ''Saibatoron'')

*''English:'' '''Cyberton''' ([[Omni Productions]] dub)
*''Hungarian:'' '''Kibertron''', '''Kájbertron''' (first ''The Movie'' dub), '''Mesterséges bolygó''' (''Energon'', "Artificial planet")

==References==
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==External links==
* [http://transfans.co.uk/comics_guide_detail.php?id=447 Transformers #303 Letters Page on Transfans.co.uk]

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