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Talk:Jetstorm (Animated)

2012-02-28T08:59:14Z

Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime: /* Speaking patterns */ new section

==Deluxe, not Voyager==

Despite the original claim that Jetfire and Jetstorm are Voyager class, they come in Deluxe size, and if they were ever sold individually, which they never will be, would come at Deluxe prices. I know this because they cost £19.99 for the pair in the UK, which is twice the price of a single, £9.99 Deluxe. [[User:Harley Quinn hyenaholic|Harley Quinn hyenaholic]] 11:05, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Page layout flip ==

I dunno. I was about to revert it when I saw it, but then decided I kind of dug it as an article gimmick.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:20, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

==Accents==

For the record, both twins speak with a Romanian accent. Listen to them sometime. Since the Blitzwing article mentions Blitzwing's German accent I figured this might be an interesting addition. [[User:Harley Quinn hyenaholic|Harley Quinn hyenaholic]] 10:02, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

:Fine. But I never heard stories of Romanian twins (well, not male twins), so what are "all those stories"? -- [[User:Tupka86|Tupka86]] 10:18, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

:Do a quick google search on 'Romanian twins' - there are quite a few stories on conjoined (aka siamese) Romanian twins, which probably explains the accent.[[User:Harley Quinn hyenaholic|Harley Quinn hyenaholic]] 10:21, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

::Hungarian Acrobat twins is something I've run into in a number of stories. (A Bugs Life is probably the most obvious example.)
::There was probably a pair in P.T. Barnam's circus or something... all these tropes/conventions/stereotypes seem to date from the 1930's. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:27, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

: At first I thought it was a German accent, but I figured they wouldn't have another of those what with Blitzwing already there. So I listened a bit more, and it's almost certainly Romanian. Makes sense to me. [[User:Harley Quinn hyenaholic|Harley Quinn hyenaholic]] 10:30, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

Why you! How do you dare to speak nonsense about my country?
Anyway, now it is written on their pages that the twins have a Russian accent. 86.125.123.134 17:50, 1 September 2009

: That doesn't make it accurate.[[User:Harley Quinn hyenaholic|Harley Quinn hyenaholic]] 12:22, 5 November 2009 (EST)
::Because it's totally more plausible that Wyatt was ''subconsciously'' trying to get Spongebob to speak with a Romanian accent, right? As opposed to the Russian accent he told everyone he was going for?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 15:17, 5 November 2009 (EST)
:::I understand, I listened to their voices and it's a almost certainly Romanian. Sorry if you don't like what I said. 86.125.123.134, 2 February 2010

== Speaking patterns ==

Shouldn't Jetstorm's odd speaking pattern be mentioned? Jetfire's too, I didn't see anything about it on either page. --[[User:Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime|Juko]] 03:59, 28 February 2012 (EST)

Talk:Five Servos of Doom

2012-02-28T08:56:22Z

Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime: /* Animation error */

yet again this turns into a leaked episode issue.--[[User:Zi|Zi]] 12:05, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

http://twitter.com/DerrickJWyatt/status/1404274557

For when the time comes.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 02:41, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

:Also for when the time comes: [[User:Derik/Sandbox8|a sandbox for that one voice-actor]] -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:56, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

== Warpath's comment ==

Did I misheard, or did he said "If it were wars". Doesn't that means the great war was over at this point? Wasn't Prowl just trying to avoid a obligatory military service (which would make sens to be, just after the great war) rather than trying to avoid an actual war?{{unsigned|GUIGUI}}
: He says "We're at war." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:30, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
::Ho, OK.{{unsigned|GUIGUI}}

== Title origin==
''The title of the episode is apparently derived from wrestler Bret Hart's signature "finishing sequence", the "Five Moves of Doom".'' Is there any basis for this? Surely the title is derived from the Kung Fu Movie [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Fingers_of_Death ''King Boxer'', aka ''Five Fingers of Death'']. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 12:43, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
:A mistaken assumption by my retarded self based on a few selective googles. Ignore, and move on! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:53, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

==Ninja Busts==
Shouldn't the links lead to pages for Animated versions of the characters? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:03, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

== Animation error ==

Right after Jetfire takes a picture of Jetstorm in front of Blitzwing, the black outline of his right (or left, I am facing my computer screen so it's right for me) eye turns orange briefly. I didn't see that in the animation errors. --[[User:Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime|Juko]] 03:52, 28 February 2012 (EST)

Talk:Five Servos of Doom

2012-02-28T08:53:40Z

Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime: /* Animation error */ new section

Talk:Five Servos of Doom

2012-02-28T08:52:03Z

Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime: /* Animation error */ new section

Talk:Starscream (WFC)

2012-02-07T21:25:20Z

Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime: /* Eating Birds */ new section

The soldiers on Starscream's station were all Autobots. One would assume "Autobot" to be the default faction of all Transformers prior to Megatron's rebellion. Additionally, Jetfire names Starscream and his goons as "traitors" and that the {Autobot leader} Zeta Prime would hear of this betrayal. Wouldn't that make Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp Autobots originally? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:46, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:The description for the achievement on that level (the one where you have to kill all but one prisoner) refers to the prisoners as neutrals. Plus, their funky Tron lines are yellow, while Autobots are red and Decepticons are purple. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:48, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::Ahh, I didn't note the yellow lights. My mistake. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:57, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:::It might still be worth noting on the [[Neutral]] page. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:24, 3 July 2010 (EDT)

== Part of the Ambush/Bodyguard? ==

Reading back through Exodus: Starscream was not really a part of the attack on the Casino, as he's surprised and puzzled by some of what's happening, though he clearly knewn something was up, with a planned meeting with Megatron after he has secured the old Prime somewhere "safe". Basically, like in much of the book, he's skirting the line, leaving his options open to join either side. My question though, it seems a bit like he might have been there "officially" to guard the Prime. Like a lot in Exodus it's a bit vague though. Did anyone else get the vibe that he was specifically there with Sentinel as a bodyguard? (At least from Sentinel's point of view). --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 19:43, 19 July 2010 (EDT)
:I definitely got the impression he was there to guard Sentinel Prime. Why else would the Prime have gone with him?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:49, 19 July 2010 (EDT)
::Pretty much answered iself later in the chapter. Starscream was definately there as sentinel's bodyguard, and apparently had worked as such for a good while before. We need to add that to the article.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 19:52, 19 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I have done it, but like all the Decepticons' motives in ''Exodus'' it is meant to be ambigious because these are inherently untrustworthy characters. Starscream may well have been aware of the attack and used it as the opportunity to deliver Sentinel to Kaon, with Sentinel's cowardice at Altihex only reinforcing his motive. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 08:20, 1 August 2010 (EDT)

== Michael Jackson ==

For anyone who's looked at the Amazon preview of the ''Prime'' comic, it appears just as Dark Energon turned Megatron into a [http://www.council-of-elrond.com/castdb/ringwraith/ringwraith2.jpg Wraith], Starscream has turned into [[Michael Jackson]]. We need to have every caption of him in the show to tribute Wacko Jacko in some way. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 07:03, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

== Starscream Picture ==

I have a new picture for Starscream but I cannot upload it. Could someone help? Here is the link. http://www.seibertron.com/images/cartoon/tf-prime-starscream-5.jpg
[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:39, 30 November 2010 (EST)

== Contradiction ==

Isn't it easily resolved as "He was a scientist, but isn't now"?[[Special:Contributions/12.53.10.226|12.53.10.226]] 08:51, 29 November 2010 (EST)
:The passage implied Starscream and Megatron had no scientific experience to understand that Dark Energon could be made by infecting regular Energon. Starscream seems like a scientist in ''Prime'' so hopefully the contradiction will be put to bed soon. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 09:55, 29 November 2010 (EST)
::That doesn't "put to bed" the contradictions present within the Exodus novel itself, which is what that note is about. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:59, 29 November 2010 (EST)

== Picture ==

I am having trouble uploading a good screenshot of Starscream. Would someone mind helping?[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 09:09, 4 December 2010 (EST)

== Cockpit chest ==

Is this the first Starscream to NOT have his vehicle mode cockpit and/or nose cone located on his robot mode chest or is it just me?
 - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:55 AM, 12 March 2011 A.D.
:Actually [[Machine Wars]] Screamer's cockpit became his legs, see [[:Image:MWStarscream Toy.jpg|here]]. It's so obscure though I'll add it to the notes. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 10:59, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:[[Starscream_%28G1%29/toys#Machine_Wars|Just you.]] Please don't, AT, we've already REMOVED it from the notes before. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:00, 12 March 2011 (EST)

== Elite Guard? ==

in Exodus, Starscream (along with Skywarp and Thundercracker ) served as sentinel Prime's bodyguards. In Aligned Continuity, The Elite Guard were defined as the bodyguards of the Prime and the Council. Does this mean that Starscream was on the elite guard? (Note that Starscrem lead the Sky Command, and Elite Gaurdsmen were often seen in charge of such things in Animated Continuities. [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] 01:27, 20 December 2011 (EST)

== Eating Birds ==

In the live chat with Steve Blum and Jeff Kline yesterday, Steve Blum said that Starscream has swallowed a bird by accident while flying. Should that maybe be added to the notes? Or should it just be taken as a joke? --[[User:Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime|Juko]] 16:25, 7 February 2012 (EST)

Talk:Cybertronian food

2012-01-10T18:36:56Z

Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime: /* Silicon wafer */

''Unprocessed coal is not appropriate food, as it once caused Megatron to lock up.''
While it isn't appropriate food, Megatron locked up because he was out of energy, not because the coal had a bad effect on him. ([[I, Robot-Master!]]) [[User:JW|JW]] 18:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:Ah, that's true. Was going from memory. Sorry... --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:29, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd just like to point out that DotM had an example of Cybertronian food - when Megatron returns to the camp that he and Starscream have hatchlings at he gives them scrap metal, basically telling them to "eat up". Presumably the metal gets converted to more building material for their bodies to ''grow'' with. -- Mimi Sardinia. --[[Special:Contributions/60.229.202.159|60.229.202.159]] 04:40, 11 August 2011 (EDT)

== Silicon wafer ==

Didn't Wheeljack once tell someone that they were going to eat their words on a silicon wafer, in G1? Can that be considered a dessert?--[[User:Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime|Juko]] 13:36, 10 January 2012 (EST)

Talk:Cybertronian food

2012-01-10T18:36:19Z

Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime: /* Silicon wafer */ new section

''Unprocessed coal is not appropriate food, as it once caused Megatron to lock up.''
While it isn't appropriate food, Megatron locked up because he was out of energy, not because the coal had a bad effect on him. ([[I, Robot-Master!]]) [[User:JW|JW]] 18:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:Ah, that's true. Was going from memory. Sorry... --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:29, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd just like to point out that DotM had an example of Cybertronian food - when Megatron returns to the camp that he and Starscream have hatchlings at he gives them scrap metal, basically telling them to "eat up". Presumably the metal gets converted to more building material for their bodies to ''grow'' with. -- Mimi Sardinia. --[[Special:Contributions/60.229.202.159|60.229.202.159]] 04:40, 11 August 2011 (EDT)

== Silicon wafer ==

Didn't Wheeljack once tell someone that they were going to eat their words on a silicon wafer, in G1? --[[User:Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime|Juko]] 13:36, 10 January 2012 (EST)

Talk:Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac

2012-01-10T02:49:41Z

Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime: I just removed my question.

== Initial Ramblings ==
Book in hand... we have to disambig "Solon Kitakaze". This thing is awesome. :D - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:28, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:OH MY GOD SERIOUSLY YOU GUYS the number of things that get obscure in-jokey referential names will implode the wiki it is awesome - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:39, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::I wasn't gonna buy it, but now... And they reference Solon? Really? It warms my heart whenever its obvious that the official Transformers people are reading out wiki (especially when its articles I wrote!). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:09, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Solon's not the half of it!! Solitarium! Death's Head! The Twilight! [[Eddie Fairchild and Matt Conroy]] for pete's sake!! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:44, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Damn. I'm going to have to get that book. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:30, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:I AM MAKING SWEET SWEET LOVE TO THIS BOOK RIGHT NOW --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:15, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::Well, when you guys are done sodomizing your copies, please make an article to accompany this talk page. I won't be able to get mine until next week. :( --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:34, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
Considering the book is by Sorenson, I'm not really surprised by any of this! -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 15:08, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:::About one-third of the book's pages are ''bathed'' in Cybertronix. Given what they just came out and said in the book--what with SKY-BYTE AND EVERYTHING ELSE--I literally cannot even imagine what might fulfill their own standard of a "hidden Easter Egg" to be encrypted in another language. Aaiiiiieee. Also, I fucking call dibs on writing up the Visionaries reference. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:57, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::::"The Swiss bank account number of the Bavarian Illuminati".
::::Is that just a joke on our part or did the writers go crazy? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:59, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::That was just a joke, presumably as a proxy until someone actually starts work on translations. Believe you me, I don't intend to run afoul of the Bavarian Illuminati ... again. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:06, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::OK.....
:::::: *takes two drinks* --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:28, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Ah'm doin' translations tonight! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:55, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::oh sweet jesus this is going to take forever - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:21, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::For the love of.... the first bit of Cybertronix is the introduction from the instruction manual of the 1988 video game, "Wasteland". My head is fit to explode. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:46, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Sorenson, you've played Wasteland? I must worship you now. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:59, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

Does this book give the names of all the Starscream clones BTW? Considering the toy bio for Sunstorm at least has been a source of confusion.. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 16:32, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, all the clones are named now.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:33, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::I will take your answer to mean, yes "Sunstorm" is in the Almanac and yes it identifies the show sycophant clone as "Sunstorm." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:06, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

Can anyone tell me what the page count is for this thing? [[User:Warpspeed Hellscream|Screamer]] 16:47, 5 March 2010 (EST)
:It's, uh, right in the infobox on the article itself. 220 pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:56, 5 March 2010 (EST)

== Annotations ==

Got 'em done. [http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/annotated_almanac.html check 'em out] on this rather unglamorous bit of webspace; if anyone's feeling very brave, they might try and add some of this to the article. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:40, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:The DS9 pilot was just "Emissary", no "The" (originally shown, and presented on the DVD, as a single double-length episode). "The Emissary" was a '''TNG''' episode, stardate (per MΑ) 42901.3. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 18:59, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Also, note the "-" in front of the universal stream indicator for the writers. That means they're from a Shattered-Glass-like negative polarity universe! (I suspect Quadwal or whatever is the "real life" universe, which would work hand-in-hand with it being a "live performance" stream. Note that the authors are criminal versions of themselves, which again seems right considering the negative polarity.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:07, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Oh, and you got your Archa Nine and Archa Seven switched. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:08, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:Typo: "...Irwin Spoon, a journalist who appeared in a '''three-party''' story in Marvel UK's..."; three-part, yes? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:09, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:The Farscape monologue is from S1 & 2. It changed for S3, and again for S4. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:17, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::The ''Dune'' fan in me screams at the misspellings in "He is the Kwizatz Haderach He is born of Caladan And will take the Gorn Jabbar" (it's supposed to be "Kwisatz" and "Gom"). Is this how they're spelled in the actual song? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:44, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

Digimon FAQ? Haha. But anyway: "An observation of the events of the first issue of the Animated comic by the trans-dimensional Vector Prime" Please tell me there's a picture of ''Animated'' Vector Prime. Also, "The team is thrashed by real-life football team West Ham at Tigatron Stadium" This might be a reference to West Ham apparently being Furman's favorite <s>soccer</s> football team. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 03:45, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
: There is no art of Vector Prime. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:19, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::I want this book so much right now. But I seriously need to try and ignore the stardate for "Babel": as much as I hate to say it, that episode still scares me. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:27, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:Dude, McFeely? "Quadwal" as the universal stream is a joke. Quad=four. Wal=wall. "Fourth wall." It's the "real world." And it's not a negative universe, it's a negative number. 9/25/3760 ''BC''. That's the day calculated for Creation by adding up the ages of everyone in the Old Testament and subtracting back from the birth of Christ. (And it's a "live performance" because, uh, yeah.) FUCK ANYONE ELSE WHO POINTED THIS OUT ALREADY, IT'S FIVE AM AND I CAN'T SLEEP. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 04:52, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::I had already figured out that the date was probably referring to the day the universe came into existence (just forgot to actually mention that here like I'd meant to...), but I'd still been stumped on the "Quadwal" part. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:50, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::You may consider my mind officially blown. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:34, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
Are we not dealing with pointing out picture stuff? Like on page 171 there's a kid dressed like Destro (and another one dressed like a Joe?). Are the guys on 184 at the bottom (1-5) supposed to be anybody? Just curious. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 07:21, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Similarly, is it worth mentioning anywhere in the article (or associated articles) about the flip-book animated Pocketbot at the bottom right of the right-hand pages?
:::Also, having gone over the book, I am amazed you could read the Cybertronian writing enough to figure out what it said, Chris. Maybe my eyes are just that bad now, but a lot of it seemed far too faint to distinguish, never mind the large portions obscured by overlaid art. Did you get layered files from which to study or something?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 07:55, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Naw, I just turned on every light in the room and squinted at it like the dickens. I translated what I could of the very first two passages and googled them to see if they were referring to something, so when I discovered that they were straight transcriptions of other sources, I circumvented the obscured-by-art problem by just started translating some of the large visible patches of text and googling it to see what it said. Would you believe that typing patches of the final narration of Robotech into google gets you no relevant hits? Seriously, the only relevant hit you get for "his homeworld and his past" is now ''my fricking annotations''. As to pictures, I was focusing on getting the references added ''for the book'', rather than pre-existing ones from the show and comics themselves, which is what those kids dressed as Joes would be (that said, I shamefully admit I didn't spot them - I've still not, ahem, ''read'' the book fully and properly, and probably would have mentioned them just because that's ''awesome''.) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:59, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:I used to work with Krista Kohlhausen. The likeness between the real person and the EMT character model is, well, perfect. There must be other people out there who look exactly like Derrick Wyatt's drawings too. Maybe he unwittingly creates them, like the narrator-author from "Stranger Than Fiction" who accidentally controls Will Farrell's life. Or maybe he ''wittingly'' creates them, like the author from "In the Mouth of Madness" who uses his simulacra people to summon Cthulhu. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:49, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
Something not mentioned in these annotations is that ,on page 187 in the top-right corner is a man who resembles a glasses-wearing Animated-styled Hawk from Masterforce. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)
:It's just a regular crowd-filling guy in a suit, no more an "homage" than any other human featured in the section. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:28, 1 January 2011 (EST)

==References as a part of the article==
Now, I can hardly claim to be an unbiased party in all of this, but it seems to me that there is value in having a wikified list of references as a part of the article, rather than shunting people off-site to a web page that may or may not be there in perpetuity. I can't think of another instance of us saying that we shouldn't be codifying legitimate information because 'there is a large amount of it.' At worst we put that information in a sort of side-page, like we do with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] and whatnot. Also, the hyperlinked version allows one to more quickly navigate around, rather than having to laboriously type in each search term. Finally, I won't lie, I'm tickled pink to see a 25K list of just the Transformers references in this book.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:44, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
:I agree, plus there should also be a list of who got profiles like in [[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|other]] [[More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|books]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:09, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
::aren't references present in other stuff like Divide and Conqure (Real World and Transformers references both) and Nemesis Part 2 and RID episodes and linkage and so on?{{unsigned|71.148.38.190}}
:::Yeah, as is this article isn't nearly as informative or complete as many of it's counterparts. I DO understand the impulse not to go crazy over it as there is SO much awesome geekage that it'd be really easy to let the article become Godzillic. Still that's no reason to starve it into near uselessness either. A greater detail on the content, and list of profiles should be definite. I think a list of at least the TF references, kept as breif as possible should be VERY within the usual scope ot this wiki as well.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 13:28, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

Agreed. Ever since Chris did the work on his annotated version, I've been urging him to wikify it and integrate it into the article.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:35, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:Is this a consensus I see forming to add back in the wikified references? (Attempting to restrain myself ...) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:38, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::Do both. Include references here, and link to Chris's external reference list. There will be overlap... but different eyes see different things, neh? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:41, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Works for me. "It's long" is no reason not to include something on the wiki. [[The Core#Notes|Just the opposite]], [[B.O.T. (episode)#Notes|in fact]]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 13:47, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

==Sandbox Discussion==

OK, I took a stab at a format that keeps readability but also incorporates the wikifying work already done. Check it out here: "Jimsorenson/Sandbox1". Thoughts? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:21, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

I dig it. In situations like this, I ''love'' our articles being this informative.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:37, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, well, so do I, but I feel weird doing this myself. Note that, for references, I'm restricting myself to dropping in work that was already done by other. That is, even if it's "wrong" or incomplete or not what I was going for, I'm still just copying it and pasting it in.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 17:45, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::Well Jim, if something is ''wrong'', do let us know! Don't want to spread misinfo! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:52, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::I concede that this will look better than the more sparse approach I'd previously suggested. I just feel a little weird about basically outing ALL the in-jokes in the book.... though it ''is'' why we're here. Go for it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 17:56, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::::OK, I think I'm done ... thoughts? The references in chapter 4 were just too dense. For the real-world stuff, I figured I'd break it out into a sub-page. For Garbage O's, Venus and the Detroit Powell Press, all fairly reference-dense, I figured it'd be enough for the references to be on their own pages. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:12, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

I'm thinking we might want to trim some of the reference explanations for brevity's sake... since we link to the things being referenced anyway. For example, "''In addition, he calls it a “[[Seafood Louis]] creature”, after the crab salad notable among Transformers fans for having been served at several BotCons.''" could probably be trimmed to just ""''In addition, he calls it a “[[Seafood Louis]] creature”.''" what with the link. A little bit of that here and there can really trim things nicely. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:42, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:I agree with you completely. That said, that takes us into an area that I'm not comfortable editing. All I've been doing was grabbing wiki code from the edit by Bishbot, which was in turn just a wikified version (more or less) of Chris McFeely's annotations. If there is to be further trimming here, I think that it'd be best done by someone more objective.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:47, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::Thoroughly understandable. I'll give a go at em. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:49, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::If anything, at this point I'd say there's enough support to move this material to the main article, and let everyone hone it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:51, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

== Scans ==

Could some people who have the book upload scans of it? like for example for blackaracnia's page we could have the character model for Blackarachnia so why not?
--[[Special:Contributions/92.238.187.82|92.238.187.82]] 11:37, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:Er, we already have 90% of the character models uploaded?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:05, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
::Well, a lot of what the wiki has up is style guide art, not character models. However, the principles of fair use still apply - a few excerpts here or there are fine, but scanning in everyone's character model and posting them is definitely not fine. It is not necessary for the wiki to have everyone's character model posted here.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:18, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Hmmm. You leave me wondering, what is "style guide art" and how does it differ from character models? Does the wiki need a "style guide" page? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:25, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
::::By my uneducated estimation, a "character model" would be a static pose of the character, standing still, arms at sides, designed to straightforwardly illustrate the details of their bodies so that they animators and artists can draw them correctly. If what we have on the wiki is "style guide" art, then that would appear to be art that gives off personality and character - observe Prowl's ninja-pose, or Bulkhead's crossed arms, they give off plenty of character, but obscure chest details that artists would need to render the character properly. - McFeely, not signed in
:::::Bingo. [[:Image:AniBlitzwingPromoModel.jpg|Blitzwing's character model]] vs [[:Image:AniBulkheadPromoModel.jpg|Bulkhead's style guide artwork]]. Character models are used by animators and comic book artists so that characters can be drawn in a uniform way. The style guide imagery is generally given out to other licensees and is (I believe) designed to convey both the character's design and their basic personality. The art is designed so that it can be just dropped in place and look cool, which isn't something that character models need to accomplish.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:48, 14 September 2009 (EDT)

Offhand, I'd say style guide images make for more evocative main images on character articles than straight-up character models. Given my druthers, I think we should use the less static pose where availability and layout permit.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:25, 14 September 2009 (EDT)

so eh does this mean we should upload scans or not? {{unsigned|92.238.160.72}}
:That's a big NO. (Aside from a small amount for fair-use.) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:18, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

== Vector Prime ==

Hi! I am reading the book right now and I do not understand the Vector Prime part. I understand that Primus is god so who is vector prime. Like why is he in here. I just do not understand transdimension thingies. Does anybody think they can explain it very simple that an 11 yr old can understand it.{{unsigned|76.23.202.3|17:27, 7 October 2009}}
:Hello. Vector Prime is a very, very old Transformer. He can see across many different dimensions. He looks in to the universe of Transformers Animated and watches some events, then writes down what he sees. Does that make sense?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 17:54, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
::Specifically, we have an article on [[Vector Prime]] if you want to find out more about him!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:03, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
Oh Thanks! I did look on his article I really am just like wow! but now I get it so He is old and is a bot who sees everything.{{unsigned|76.23.202.3|18:11, 7 October 2009}}

== Defensor United ==

Pg 124 refers to Defensor United sports team. I remember the Marvel UK letters page referring to Cybertronian sports teams - e.g. "Bruticus All Blacks" is one I remember. Does anyone know if Defensor United was one of the other teams from that? [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 17:32, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

Ok, never mind. Found it in the Mecha-Soccer page (thanks to the timely update of the Cybertron sports page by Jimsorenson that led me there!) [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 17:42, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

== Categorization ==

I have kind of a technical question. If a character appears in the cartoon and in the Almanac, would their character page be put in the [[:Category:Cartoon-only characters]] or [[:Category:Fiction-only characters]]? If this were strictly a profile book, it would be "Cartoon-only" but this is kind of "reference text" and kind of "fiction", since it is written in-fiction. I was going to put cartoon and Almanac characters into "Fiction-only" but I wanted to check.

Also, I see that some Almanac-only characters are in [[:Category:Prose-only characters]]. I think that is correct, but I could also see it in [[:Category:Profile-only characters]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:40, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:I'd suggest fiction-only, from my biased viewpoint. Also, given the plethora of images, I'd hesitate to call the characters prose-only, though I suppose prose is closer than most other alternatives. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:11, 7 January 2010 (EST)

== Scholastic Edition ==
So, it turns out there is a Scholastic Edition of the book. It's 120 pages, covers Autobots, Decepticons, Humans and Culture, and it's a lot smaller than the regular version. It's maybe 5 by 7, down from 8.5 by 11. So, how does that get covered here? A note on this page? Probably not its own page. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:11, 7 January 2010 (EST)
:Link to the listing? As for covering it, maybe its publication info (ISBNs, page #s, publication date, etc.) at the bottom? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:40, 7 January 2010 (EST)
::I happen to own the no-good worthless ripoff piece of shit. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 17:19, 13 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Ouch. How bad is it? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 00:14, 14 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Chapters 4, 6, and 7 are left out and the others have all had detail trimmed from them. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 15:32, 24 June 2010 (EDT)

== Magnus Memoirs oddity ==

I've noticed that the last sentence on page 145 just kinda ''ends'', with "Would that all of our". Is that intentional (it ''is'' an excerpt, after all) or a goof? (Yes I am hideously late in getting to actually read this.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:02, 18 February 2010 (EST)
:That was intentional, and made my copy editor apoplectic. I didn't want it to seem like the whole chapter was one page, and that seemed like a good way.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:00, 18 February 2010 (EST)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>chuckle* Admittedly, with sympathies to your copy editor, I can't think of a good way it could have been marked as intentional without breaking the verisimilitude either. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:16, 18 February 2010 (EST)

== Even More Almanac Tidbits ==

I'm sure there must be something out of [http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/06/post-no-bill-secrets-of-almanac-one.html Forster's latest notes] that should be worth adding... I'm just not sure what and where, admittedly. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:02, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

== January FA? ==

Let's face it, this page is pretty much complete. Anyone else think this should be the FA for January? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:27, 28 December 2010 (EST)
:Well, just looking at the article without actually reading it, I think it would at least need some more images to break up the wall of text effect a bit. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:49, 28 December 2010 (EST)
:: Actually, we were sort of grooming [[Wreck-Gar (G1)]] for January over the past few days. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:00, 28 December 2010 (EST)
:::Note to self: watch Allspark thread more.
:::Anyway, let's leave this for February. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:57, 30 December 2010 (EST)

== Intoduction. ==

Um, Chris, you forgot all about Epsilon Holdings. Was this intentional?{{[[Special:Contributions/184.56.27.61|184.56.27.61]]|[[Special:Contributions/184.56.27.61|184.56.27.61]] 23:40, 27 May 2011 (EDT)}}

Talk:Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac

2012-01-05T22:50:34Z

Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime: /* Worth it? */ new section

User:Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime

2012-01-05T03:37:20Z

Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime:

I find myself to be bored, so I'll make my page more interesting.
I used that picture because it amuses me...

Anyway. This is all you get to know about me at the moment:
*I am a girl.
*I am from and live in the USA.
*I'm a diehard Transformers fan.
*I hate editing in source mode. It's confusing. Why does this site use it?
If you ''really'' want to get to know me (which I highly doubt) I'm also on FanFiction.net under the same name and Gaia under Mademoiselle Juko.

Yep.

Talk:Cyberglyphics

2012-01-05T03:17:11Z

Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime: /* Written or spoken or both? */

Okay, so here's the deal. There are a metric '''buttload''' of these we now have access to. The only one that's been positively given a meaning so far is the one for Primes, in Defiance. It doesn't match any of the ones on the figures themselves, nor does it match the absolute boodle that were revealed on the toy packaging. I'd start transcribing those, but without meanings for them I'm hesitant to set them down to filenames that would just need to be moved later. Do we have any other sources? Are any of the online games revealing glyph meanings?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:54, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
:Still no meanings, sadly. I don't know if the movie itself is even interested in assigning them. Sometime this weekend or next I think I'll do up a PDF file with the ones from the packaging and the ones on already-released figures like Chromia. I'll label them as best I can, but if people have more information it's really welcomed.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:47, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
Defiance 3, Frenzy comm link to Starscream that Optimus en route. Alliance #2, Starscream finds Frenzy's remains. Both feature heavy Cyberglyphics. --[[Special:Contributions/98.149.157.5|98.149.157.5]] 11:35, 5 July 2009 (EDT)

== 2007 film ==

So they ''are'' the same character set, Jim?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:59, 8 August 2009 (EDT)
:They sure seem to be, visually. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 00:08, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::Eeeenteresting.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:09, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

There are actually two distinct writing forms developed for the 2007 live-action Transformers film. Both are subsequently used in ROTF. An angular lettering developed by lead robot illustrator, Ben Proctor and the more free-flowing Cybertronian "glyphs" and pictograms created by graphic designers, Karen Teneyck & Martin Charles. Both are used in conjunction on the AllSpark & other Cybertronian artefacts throughout the films. Maybe if someone contacts them directly more information can be gained.
See [http://www.benprocter.com/storage/oldersites/sitev2/html/PROJPAGE_Trans_13.html Ben Proctor's design] & [http://www.karen.teneyck.com/filmdesign/Transformers.jpg Karen Teneyck's design].--[[User:RATCHATT|RATCHATT]] 00:15, 25 July 2011 (EDT)

==The Cyberglyphics Code==
Uh... cracked?

[http://obscuretf.com/Coloringbook-Cyberglyphics.jpg Scan]

I found this in a $3 ROTF coloring book at Big Lots. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:41, 12 November 2009 (EST)
:EDIT: Of course, being as it IS from a $3 coloring book, the cypher does not seem to actually hold any water, as Frenzy's subtitled sentence on this page translates as "S?? FA F G AS HDF F UALADD". Oh well... --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 10:07, 12 November 2009 (EST)
::...maybe those are words in Cybertronian? Seriously though, I dunno if they put that much thought into making those subtitles make sense. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 10:57, 12 November 2009 (EST)
::Well that's swell. Frenzy really does talk in jibberish. Still, the world should know this exists. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:02, 12 November 2009 (EST)
:::That's actually a different substitution code than the ''other'' coloring book one. In fact, several of those characters have been translated as different things in other sources.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:21, 12 November 2009 (EST)
::On the other hand! The Defiance illustration says: "Comm Link Starscream Optimus en route". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:23, 12 November 2009 (EST)
:::Does Cyberglyphic text show up anywhere else in IDW that can be checked? Maybe the alpha-symbol cypher works for ROTF, but not retroactively... --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 17:25, 13 November 2009 (EST)
What about that symbol on Skids? Is it supposed to be one of those? -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 17:36, 12 November 2009 (EST)
:It's not one of those, no.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:31, 13 November 2009 (EST)
Should we enter a picture of the code into the article? What are the coloring book credits? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:25, 20 November 2009 (EST)
::[http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/9908/cyberhuntbb.jpg RPM Cyber Hunt Bumblebee] (released in Germany). The name is "Bumblebee" in Cyberglyphics. Matches with Monzo's scan.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 10:02, 4 December 2010 (EST)

==3H reference?==
What's the deal on the "Prime" Cyberglyph? Is this an intentional nod at [[3H Productions]], or is it coincidental? -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:36, 22 June 2011 (EDT)

== Written or spoken or both? ==
Is the language only written? A person I'm beta reading a TF fanfiction for thinks that it's spoken, but she used Latin. If it is spoken language, I'll let it slide, but if not, I'd like to correct her. -[[User:Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime|Juko]] 18:49, 4 January 2012 (EST)
:Cyber'''glyph'''ics. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:54, 4 January 2012 (EST)
::Yeah, think of it like hieroglyphics. You don't speak hieroglyphics, but you can read them with some practice.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:59, 4 January 2012 (EST)
: Thank you. I figured that, but I wanted to make sure. She had her (original) character speaking it, and I realized that no one would have been able to teach it to her, because I'm pretty sure that all the characters who knew it in Bayverse died. Thanks for your help. --[[User:Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime|Juko]] 22:17, 4 January 2012 (EST)

Talk:Convoy (episode)

2012-01-05T03:12:55Z

Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime: /* Outgoing link in a caption? */

== Outgoing link in a caption? ==

On Silas' picture, it has the caption "I want this mission high and tight. I wanna be home for dinner." Since that's a quote from Avatar, obviously a reference to Colonel Quaritch (whom Silas is remarkably similar to), shouldn't someone put a link to Quaritch's Avatar wiki page in the caption? I tried, but I can't figure out how to do it. [[User:Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime|Juko]] 14:00, 4 January 2012 (EST)
: In most circumstances, we don't link our joke caption references. Sometimes linking feels like explaining a joke. If you get it, fine, if you don't get it, also fine. Also, linking to anything anywhere on Wikia in most circumstances is not something we like. We have the opposite of a fun history with them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:20, 4 January 2012 (EST)
: Oh. I didn't know that, I haven't been on this site for very long. I don't a lot of things about it, which is part of the reason that I don't contribute a lot. --[[User:Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime|Juko]] 22:12, 4 January 2012 (EST)

Talk:Convoy (episode)

2012-01-05T03:11:47Z

Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime: /* Outgoing link in a caption? */

== Ratchet and the "light" ==

When Ratchet says the line: "That's absurd. Why would Starscream bother with such primitive technology?" There is a sort of blue-green light seen inside his open mouth, as if the light coming from his left optic sensor can be seen from there.
Since later, when he communicates with Optimus telling that they are 5 miles away from the rendez-vous point (a scene with a similar angle as the former, just closer), that "light" is no more visible, may that "light" be considered as an animation error? --[[User:Sharky7|Sharky7]] 13:27, 6 March 2011 (EST)

== MECH goons tampering Prime's trailer's lock ==

At some point, one of the MECH goons fires off three "bomb-like" devices, which manage to open the lower posterior lock on Prime's trailer with a contained explosion.

But the locks are two, and the three "bombs" have been shot only on the lower lock (at least on screen). However, in that way the goon manages to open up ''both'' the locks. Does that mean that it is another continuity error in the episode, or are the locks simply connected in a way that opening the lower one would allow to open the superior also? --[[User:Sharky7|Sharky7]] 13:31, 6 March 2011 (EST)

== Outgoing link in a caption? ==

On Silas' picture, it has the caption "I want this mission high and tight. I wanna be home for dinner." Since that's a quote from Avatar, obviously a reference to Colonel Quaritch (whom Silas is remarkably similar to), shouldn't someone put a link to Quaritch's Avatar wiki page in the caption? I tried, but I can't figure out how to do it. [[User:Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime|Juko]] 14:00, 4 January 2012 (EST)
: In most circumstances, we don't link our joke caption references. Sometimes linking feels like explaining a joke. If you get it, fine, if you don't get it, also fine. Also, linking to anything anywhere on Wikia in most circumstances is not something we like. We have the opposite of a fun history with them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:20, 4 January 2012 (EST)
: Oh. I didn't know that, I haven't been on this site for very long. I don't a lot of things about it, which is part of the reason that I don't contribute a lot. --[[User:Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime|Juko]] 22:11, 4 January 2012 (EST)

Talk:Cyberglyphics

2012-01-04T23:49:18Z

Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime: /* Written or spoken or both? */ new section

Okay, so here's the deal. There are a metric '''buttload''' of these we now have access to. The only one that's been positively given a meaning so far is the one for Primes, in Defiance. It doesn't match any of the ones on the figures themselves, nor does it match the absolute boodle that were revealed on the toy packaging. I'd start transcribing those, but without meanings for them I'm hesitant to set them down to filenames that would just need to be moved later. Do we have any other sources? Are any of the online games revealing glyph meanings?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:54, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
:Still no meanings, sadly. I don't know if the movie itself is even interested in assigning them. Sometime this weekend or next I think I'll do up a PDF file with the ones from the packaging and the ones on already-released figures like Chromia. I'll label them as best I can, but if people have more information it's really welcomed.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:47, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
Defiance 3, Frenzy comm link to Starscream that Optimus en route. Alliance #2, Starscream finds Frenzy's remains. Both feature heavy Cyberglyphics. --[[Special:Contributions/98.149.157.5|98.149.157.5]] 11:35, 5 July 2009 (EDT)

== 2007 film ==

So they ''are'' the same character set, Jim?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:59, 8 August 2009 (EDT)
:They sure seem to be, visually. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 00:08, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::Eeeenteresting.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:09, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

There are actually two distinct writing forms developed for the 2007 live-action Transformers film. Both are subsequently used in ROTF. An angular lettering developed by lead robot illustrator, Ben Proctor and the more free-flowing Cybertronian "glyphs" and pictograms created by graphic designers, Karen Teneyck & Martin Charles. Both are used in conjunction on the AllSpark & other Cybertronian artefacts throughout the films. Maybe if someone contacts them directly more information can be gained.
See [http://www.benprocter.com/storage/oldersites/sitev2/html/PROJPAGE_Trans_13.html Ben Proctor's design] & [http://www.karen.teneyck.com/filmdesign/Transformers.jpg Karen Teneyck's design].--[[User:RATCHATT|RATCHATT]] 00:15, 25 July 2011 (EDT)

==The Cyberglyphics Code==
Uh... cracked?

[http://obscuretf.com/Coloringbook-Cyberglyphics.jpg Scan]

I found this in a $3 ROTF coloring book at Big Lots. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:41, 12 November 2009 (EST)
:EDIT: Of course, being as it IS from a $3 coloring book, the cypher does not seem to actually hold any water, as Frenzy's subtitled sentence on this page translates as "S?? FA F G AS HDF F UALADD". Oh well... --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 10:07, 12 November 2009 (EST)
::...maybe those are words in Cybertronian? Seriously though, I dunno if they put that much thought into making those subtitles make sense. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 10:57, 12 November 2009 (EST)
::Well that's swell. Frenzy really does talk in jibberish. Still, the world should know this exists. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:02, 12 November 2009 (EST)
:::That's actually a different substitution code than the ''other'' coloring book one. In fact, several of those characters have been translated as different things in other sources.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:21, 12 November 2009 (EST)
::On the other hand! The Defiance illustration says: "Comm Link Starscream Optimus en route". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:23, 12 November 2009 (EST)
:::Does Cyberglyphic text show up anywhere else in IDW that can be checked? Maybe the alpha-symbol cypher works for ROTF, but not retroactively... --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 17:25, 13 November 2009 (EST)
What about that symbol on Skids? Is it supposed to be one of those? -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 17:36, 12 November 2009 (EST)
:It's not one of those, no.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:31, 13 November 2009 (EST)
Should we enter a picture of the code into the article? What are the coloring book credits? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:25, 20 November 2009 (EST)
::[http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/9908/cyberhuntbb.jpg RPM Cyber Hunt Bumblebee] (released in Germany). The name is "Bumblebee" in Cyberglyphics. Matches with Monzo's scan.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 10:02, 4 December 2010 (EST)

==3H reference?==
What's the deal on the "Prime" Cyberglyph? Is this an intentional nod at [[3H Productions]], or is it coincidental? -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:36, 22 June 2011 (EDT)

== Written or spoken or both? ==

Is the language only written? A person I'm beta reading a TF fanfiction for thinks that it's spoken, but she used Latin. If it is spoken language, I'll let it slide, but if not, I'd like to correct her. -[[User:Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime|Juko]] 18:49, 4 January 2012 (EST)

Rock Bottom

2012-01-04T19:38:31Z

Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime: /* Continuity errors */

{{episode|
|otherseries=''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' ep 19
|prev=Metal Attraction
|next=Partners
|image=RockBottom-energonmine.jpg‎
|caption=That's Rock Bottom.
|title="Rock Bottom"
|airdate=[[July 16]], [[2011]]
|written by=[[Tim Jones]]
|directed by=[[Shaunt Nigoghossian]]
|animation studio=[[Polygon Pictures]]
|production company=[[Hasbro Studios]]
}}
'''The Autobots, Jack and Miko find themselves trapped inside a cave with Megatron and Starscream.'''

==Synopsis==
Waiting outside [[Stripped energon mine|a mine]] opening, [[Miko Nakadai|Miko]] complains loudly to [[Jack Darby|Jack]] that she'd rather be at the [[Slash Monkey]] metal concert she's been looking forward to. [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] and [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] emerge from the entrance, confused that the mine seems to be stripped, yet there's an [[energon (fuel)|energon]] signal coming from inside. While they're still discussing the conundrum, Miko runs into the mine to take a look, resulting in Bulkhead chasing her in and Jack persuading Arcee to let him go in as well. Moments after they step inside, [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] and [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] land at the mine entrance. Starscream is confused as to why have they come to an exhausted mine, but Megatron leads the way inside.

Bulkhead finds Miko testing the acoustics in a cavern. While she's whooping and yelling, Bulkhead's detector bleeps, and he attempts to contact Arcee. The comms, however, are useless due to interference from the rock surrounding them. Bulkhead decides to get a sample for [[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] and begins breaking pieces off the rock he's found.

[[Image:RockBottom-Starscreamprays.jpg‎|250px|thumb|left|When this life makes you mad enough to kill.]]

Megatron and Starscream find [[Decepticon]] mining equipment. Starscream tries to blame its presence on an error by [[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]], but Megatron plucks a chunk of energon from the wall and explains that he's been keeping up with Starscream's many plottings, thanks to Soundwave's spying. He's let Starscream continue until now for his own amusement, but enough's enough. Starscream pleads for his life...and it's this scene that Jack and Arcee stumble on. Megatron begins firing on the two newcomers and Starscream sees his chance to try to escape. Enraged, Megatron fires after him. Arcee takes advantage of Megatron's distraction and fires, causing him to discharge his [[fusion cannon]] into the ceiling, which gives way. Massive rocks fall on Megatron, causing the floor to start caving in as well, and both Arcee and Jack fall into a swiftly widening hole.

[[Image:RockBottom-Bulkheadpassion.jpg‎|250px|thumb|When you want something bad enough to steal.]]

In the cavern, Bulkhead protects Miko from the falling rocks.

Starscream, speeding through the mine in his jet mode, is hit by rocks and can only cry out as the tunnel to the mine entrance collapses.

In the aftermath, Jack struggles up to find himself alone in the cave and goes searching for the others.

Miko likewise picks herself up to find Bulkhead holding up a huge chunk of the ceiling from caving in on them. They have no idea as to what caused the cave-in, but Miko starts trying to clear the rocks away so they can get out.

Starscream pulls himself free of the mine and into the open air. He experiences a brief moment of triumph before realizing that Megatron has survived worse and if he doesn't make some attempt to rescue his leader, the other Decepticons surely will, which will mean problems for Starscream in the long run. Besides, he can take the credit if he succeeds.

Still searching, Jack stumbles upon one of the Decepticon mining drills.

As night falls outside, Miko is tiring from her work. Bulkhead points out there's limited oxygen, and she's using it faster by exerting herself. Despite Miko saying she has to get Bulkhead out, he says he's fine, though his creaking servos tell a different story.

Jack gets the mining drill working and begins guiding it to find the others.

Bulkhead and Miko hear drilling. Miko yells out weakly, and Bulkhead tells her to hit his foot with a rock to make a noise.

[[Image:RockBottom-Megstrapped.jpg|thumb|250px|left|When you feel like you have had it up to here.]]

Elsewhere, Jack uses the drill to clear a path only to uncover Megatron's face, the rest of him still pinned by fallen rock. Megatron suggests that Jack use the drill to finish him, but Jack doesn't believe [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] would want Megatron finished that way and drills off in another direction.

[[Image:RockBottom-Mikocries.jpg‎|250px|thumb|'Cause you mad enough to scream but you sad enough to tear.]]

Miko continues banging Bulkhead's foot, but a noise stops her and Bulkhead has to admit that his arms are starting to fail. She hits him a couple more times before someone starts to break through the wall. Unfortunately, their joy is short-lived as it turns out to be Starscream. Bulkhead asks him to let Miko go, but Miko refuses to leave Bulkhead. Starscream menaces her until Bulkhead gives him a solid kick. Starscream recovers from that, only to be knocked down by Jack's drill as it comes through the wall. Miko is quickly persuaded to hop aboard the drill, which she does tearfully, and the two humans back out, leaving Bulkhead and Starscream alone. Jack and Miko start trying to dig their way out, but Jack suddenly stops the drill dead as a large foot comes down in front of them.

Starscream is pleased. Now not only will he be able to rescue Megatron, but he'll have Bulkhead as a gift. Unfortunately for him, Arcee appears with a gun pointed at his head and tells him to raise his hands.

The Autobots exit the mine with the kids and briefly discuss finishing off the Decepticons. When they decide that Optimus wouldn't do it, they go home instead.

Starscream strains to hold up the rock that Bulkhead had been supporting when he spots Megatron leaning through the nearby opening. Starscream is reduced to begging for mercy once more and the Decepticon leader responds with a menacing look.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] (3)
*[[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] (4)

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] (5)
*[[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] (6)

|c3=
*[[Miko Nakadai]] (1)
*[[Jack Darby]] (2)

}}

==Quotes==

"Do you have any idea how long I've been waiting to see Slash Monkey?" 
"Uhh—" 
"''Forever!'' And it's their only U.S. date!" 
"Well, there's a shock. I mean, who doesn't love obscure Bulgarian shriek metal?"
:—'''Miko''' and '''Jack''' discuss rock concerts.

"She went in. Unbelievable." 
"Really? Have you...met her?"
:—'''Arcee''' and '''Jack''' watch Miko run into the cave.

"Do not take me for a fool, Starscream! I have been wise to your transgressions from the beginning. Not only did you pluck the Dark Energon from my chest in a failed attempt to snuff my spark, but you tried to raise your own undead warrior with it. It's no secret that you lost an arm in the process, which you've since had replaced." 
"You know about that?!"
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Starscream''' discuss the latter's endeavors.

"Roll out."
:—'''Jack''' being genre savvy as he activates some Decepticon mining equipment.

"Well, what are you waiting for? Think of the glory—seize the day! Optimus would." 
"No, he wouldn't. Not like this." 
"I will be sure to share the details of our little conversation with Optimus—the day I rip out his spark!"
:—A pinned '''Megatron''' is discovered by '''Jack''', who refuses to take advantage of the situation and kill him.

"Run Miko!" 
"Yes, run Miko! I would love to see you try! Really, I would!"
:-'''Starscream''' mocks '''Bulkhead''' before getting knocked down by a drill. Karma, baby.

"If you think I'm going to beg for mercy, Starscream, forget it!" 
"Er, yes, begging for mercy would be quite pathetic, wouldn't it?"
:—'''Bulkhead''' unintentionally insults '''Starscream'''.

==Notes==
===Animation and technical errors===
* When the cave-in begins, Bulkhead gets down on his hands and knees to shield Miko from the collapsing ceiling. In the next scene, however, he's standing upright and holding up a far larger piece of rock than he had been previously covered with.

===Continuity errors===
* Bulkhead has Miko hit him with a rock to signal Jack. Either he's devoting ''all'' his energon to holding up the rock, or he's forgotten about his sound system.
* Not so much an error as a curiosity, but based on the day/night cycle shown outside the cave, at least 12 hours passed during the episode. In all that time, the other Autobots made no apparent effort to look for their lost comrades. Considering Miko's concert was supposed to happen two hours after the start of the episode, they should have noticed something was amiss when no one came back.
* Even though the sounds of robots stomping around and yelling should echo throughout the cave, Megatron and Starscream go completely unnoticed until Arcee and Jack stumble upon them by accident. Furthermore, Megatron and Starscream enter the cave mere minutes after Arcee and Jack, yet somehow manage to get ahead of them in the tunnels undetected.
*Bulkhead says that Autobots don't need to breathe, but when Starscream gets out of the cave, he coughs and gasps for air.
**Of course, Starscream is a Decepticon. Maybe Decepticons just aren't cool like that...or maybe Starscream is just an idiot.

===Continuity notes===
* Megatron references the events of "[[Masters & Students]]" and "[[Shadowzone (episode)|Shadowzone]]" while discussing Starscream's previous failed attempts at treachery.
* Starscream also refers to the events of "Masters & Students" when he remembers that Megatron has survived far worse than a simple cave-in.
* Miko loosely references the space bridge battle from "[[Darkness Rising, Part 5]]" when Bulkhead reminds her that Autobots don't need to breathe.

===Transformers references===
*As Jack starts up the mining drill, he quietly says, "[[Roll out]]."

===Real-world references===
*Bulkhead's "Did I do that?" line is almost certainly a reference to Steve Urkel's catchphrase from ''Family Matters''.
*Starscream says "Rust in peace!" as in "Rest in peace".

===Foreign localization===
'''German'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Unter der Erde'''" ("Under the Earth")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[January 27|27 January]] [[2012]]
'''Italian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Toccare il fondo'''" ("Touching the Bottom")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[November 27|27 November]] [[2011]]
'''Korean'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Gwangsan Maemol'''" (광산 매몰, "Buried in the Mine")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[October 31|31 October]] [[2011]]
'''Polish'''
:*''Title:'' ?
:*''Original airdate:'' [[December 29|29 December]] [[2011]]

===Trivia===
* Megatron seems awfully surprised that Starscream would run at the first opportunity. Did he think Starscream wouldn't care about his earlier death threat?
* Ratchet probably never got that rock sample. Too bad.
* Miko exercises her right to charge into [[Darkness Rising, Part 3|situations]] that almost get her killed... [[Shadowzone (episode)|again]].

[[Category:Prime episodes]]

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2012-01-04T19:00:34Z

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Convoy (episode)

2012-01-04T18:56:43Z

Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime:

{{disambig2|the ''Prime'' episode|the Japanese name and rank|Convoy (rank)}}
{{episode|
|otherseries=''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' ep 9
|prev=Con Job
|next=Deus ex Machina
|image=TFP Convoy highway hijack.jpg
|caption=Ain't it a beautiful sight?
|title="Convoy"
|airdate=[[March 4]], [[2011]]
|written by=[[Joseph Kuhr]]
|directed by=[[Todd Waterman]]
|animation studio=[[Polygon Pictures]]
|production company=[[Hasbro Studios]]
}}
'''The Autobots assist Fowler with transporting a nuclear device.'''

==Synopsis==
The Autobots get an angry call from [[William Fowler|Fowler]]. His plane's been shot down while transporting the hi-tech [[Dynamic Nuclear Generation System]], or the "Dingus", a volatile nuclear device, and he needs help in completing his mission. [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus]] says that using the [[ground bridge]] to transport it would be too dangerous, so instead they'll have to take it by road. They soon have it loaded into a [[trailer]] which Prime starts hauling, with [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] and [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] as an escort. Fowler's disappointed he doesn't get to drive. [[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] and the kids monitor their journey from [[Autobot Outpost Omega-1|base]].

Optimus is irritated by Fowler's enthusiasm with the horn. Unknown to any of them, the convoy is being observed by a helicopter. Fowler and Optimus are discussing whether there was any evil on Earth before the Decepticons came, when they spot the helicopter, which Fowler believes is a [[Decepticon]]. Five green sportscars move in on the convoy, but Optimus warns everyone to maintain their cover and stay in vehicle mode. Ratchet's surprised that they're not showing up on his sensors. All is made clear when one of the cars draws level with Optimus's cab, and a masked human aims a gun at Fowler. Optimus orders the other Autobots to use non-lethal force only. Bumblebee knocks one of the cars, flipping it over, but another drives up alongside Optimus. One of the masked goons climbs onto Optimus and starts attempting to sever the trailer. After Prime knocks the car off the mountainside road, Fowler climbs out and grabs the masked goon, but loses him before he can start the interrogation.
[[Image:Prime-Silas.jpg|left|thumb|250px|I want this mission high and tight. I wanna be home for dinner.]]
The fellow in the helicopter makes contact over the walkie and introduces himself as [[Silas]], part of the [[MECH]] organization, who intend to steal the Dingus for their own use. One of the cars pulls up behind Optimus and the MECH goons blow the trailer's back door open, only for [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] to jump out in motorcycle mode and flip their car, causing it to explode. While Optimus warns Fowler not to take Silas lightly (due to [[Megatron (Prime)|personal experience]]), Ratchet informs them they're nearing the rendezvous point.

On the ''[[Nemesis (Prime)|Nemesis]]'', [[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] has intercepted the communications, and [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] sends a bunch of [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]] to join the party.

The Autobots reach the rendezvous point and duck into a rail tunnel alongside a train. Bulkhead seals off the incoming end. A short time later, they and the train emerge from the other end of the tunnel, and Silas continues to follow the Autobots. As luck would have it, the Vehicons take this opportunity to appear and open fire on the convoy. The Autobots avoid getting hit, but Prime's trailer is shaken loose and explodes. The Vehicons transform and move in, forcing Optimus to inform Fowler that they're going to have to break cover to survive. Silas observes the fight and notes that the rumors he's heard of living technology are true. He lets Fowler know that he's aware the Dingus was transferred onto the train while the Autobots were in the tunnel, and the helicopter moves off to intercept the cargo. Unfortunately, while Fowler's giving Optimus the bad news, the Autobot leader takes a tree trunk to the face and falls off a nearby cliff.

The kids have a frantic discussion about a plan B. [[Miko Nakadai|Miko]]'s in favor of Ratchet ground-bridging the kids onto the train so they can fight the MECH goons. With [[Raf Esquivel|Raf's]] help, [[Jack Darby|Jack]] and Miko are soon on the train. As the MECH helicopter tries to land on top of the train, Raf flips a point switch to make the train go off along another line. In response, the helicopter's pilot hacks Raf's laptop, causing it to short out. On the second try, the helicopter lands atop the carriage the Dingus is in, and the MECH guys start cutting through the carriage roof.

Not far away, the Autobots continue their fight with the Vehicons. Optimus comes around and sees the train in trouble.
[[Image:Convoy-trainstop.jpg|thumb|250px|More powerful than a locomotive!]]
Miko and Jack grab weapons, which they wave at the MECH guys when the ceiling's opened. Back in the chopper, Silas spots Optimus running alongside and sounds a retreat. As the helicopter heads away, he fires a missile and takes out the track ahead of the train. Due to Raf's laptop being out of commission, Ratchet no longer has the train's coordinates and can't bridge the kids out. They prepare to jump, but Optimus [[Maximum overdrive|zooms past]], grabs the front of the train and brings it to a halt in the nick of time. Hovering in the helicopter nearby, Silas promises that next time the playing field will be leveled. Optimus reports back to Ratchet that the kids and the Dingus are safe, but notes that a new player has entered the game...
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] (2)
*[[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] (3)
*[[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] (4)
*[[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] (8)
*[[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] (9)

|c2=
*[[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] (13)
*[[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] (14)
*[[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]] (15)

|c3=
*[[William Fowler]] (1)
*[[Jack Darby]] (5)
*[[Miko Nakadai]] (6)
*[[Raf Esquivel]] (7)
*[[MECH]] goons (10)
*[[Silas]] (11)
*[[MECH Navigator]] (12)

}}

==Quotes==
"Ah-ah, no need, Agent Fowler. I will handle the driving." 
"It's going to be a long trip."
:—'''Optimus Prime''' lets '''Agent Fowler''' in on his no-touch policy.

"Agent Fowler. Is that really necessary?" 
"Oh, don't tell me you're one of them "textbook drivers"."
:— '''Optimus Prime''' isn't very keen on '''Agent Fowler's''' use of the horn.

"How about some radio? You seem like a Nashville sound kinda guy."
:—'''Agent Fowler''' to Optimus Prime.

"That's the one! The 'Con who shot me down! Who is he? Wingnut? Dingbat? Skyguy?"
:—'''Fowler''' shares some awesome Transformer name ideas.

"Gentlemen, stop their engines."
:—'''Silas'''

"Is that so? Tell me, Si, what's the market price for a Dingus these days?" 
"What makes you think we intend to sell it, Agent Fowler?"
:—'''Agent Fowler''' and '''Silas''' discussing the value of Fowler's Dingus.

"After a long road trip, feels good to get out of the car, stretch my legs, and kick some tailpipe!"
:—'''Bulkhead''', the reigning king of one-liners.

"You want me to not only bridge you into a confined space, but one traveling at 90 miles per hour? I can't even count the number of things that can go wrong—mass displacement trauma, twisted limbs, metal burn!... Well, maybe not the last one."
:—'''Ratchet''' to the kids.

"First rule of combat: Never leave the enemy with the spoils."
:—'''Silas'''

==Notes==
===Animation and technical errors===
* While Silas delivers his last line, the straps that cross his chest clip into each other.
* At the beginning of the episode, when Ratchet asks Agent Fowler why Starscream would bother with "such primitive technology" (i.e., the Dingus), a small light can be seen inside his open mouth, as if the light coming from his left optic sensor can be seen through it.

===Continuity errors===
[[Image:Convoy-kablooie.jpg|thumb|upright|"I used minimal force. That was the minimal force necessary to ensure they ''never bother us again.''"]]
* The Autobots have a curious definition of "minimal force". During the short battle, they run two cars off the road (causing both to flip over) and blow up a third. The latter most likely killed the passengers. It's amazing the others came out unharmed, considering one was hanging out of the sunroof of his car at the time.

* On the monitor inside the Autobot base, the fork is shown to be on the right side of the rails. When the scene changes to show the running train, it is shown to be on the left.
* The car in front of Bumblebee disappears after the Autobots begin applying force. There is nothing to show whether Bumblebee took care of the car in the front or if it was forgotten in the writing of the episode.

===Continuity notes===
*The plane Fowler was transporting the Dingus on is the same one he had in "[[Masters & Students]]". And he's ''still'' flying without any kind of pilot gear on. Dude is ''hard core''.

===Transformers references===
*Optimus's [[trailer]] is adorned with the same paint scheme as his [[Optimus Prime (G1)|''Generation 1'' counterpart]]'s [[Combat Deck|trailer]].

===Real-world references===
* This episode is the first in ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' to feature a reproduction of an actual real-world vehicle: The locomotive depicted hauling the 'Phase II' train is a very accurate model of a four-axle GP series model produced in La Grange, Illinois (Later London, Ontario) by [[wikipedia:Electro-Motive_Diesel|Electro-Motive Diesel]].

===Foreign localization===
'''German'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Konvoi'''" ("Convoy")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[November 25|25 November]] [[2011]]
'''Italian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Convoglio'''" ("Convoy")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[October 22|22 October]] [[2011]]
'''Korean'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Hosong Jakjeon'''" (호송 작전, "Operation Convoy")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[September 26|26 September]] [[2011]]
'''Polish'''
:*''Title:'' ?
:*''Original airdate:'' [[December 15|15 December]] [[2011]]

===Trivia===
*The train set piece germinated from [[Alex Kurtzman]]'s desire to have a Train Transformer, which would have been too expensive.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21Pb3MeUDdY Roundtable interview with ''Prime'' staff at BotCon 2011]</ref>
*The fact that the Autobots were battling humans rather than Decepticons - a not insignificant twist in the plot - was spoiled by the next-episode preview shown during the Hub's airing of ''Con Job''. What is this, [[Ultra Magnus Dies!!|Japan?]]
*As was previously featured in "[[Darkness Rising, Part 4]]", this episode features an Autobot transforming while carrying a human passenger. Fowler somehow ends up sitting in Optimus's hand rather than inside him, though.
[[Image:JackFireExtinguisherMikoAxe.jpg|thumb|200px|So I married an axe murderer.]]
*On board the train, Jack and Miko each pick a "weapon" of choice to face the MECH goons. Appropriately, Miko happens to take an axe, like she did [[Darkness Rising, Part 5|to face Soundwave's tentacle]], while Jack takes a fire extinguisher, like he did [[Scrapheap (episode)|a couple of episodes ago]].
*When Jack and Miko grab respectively, the fire extinguisher and the fire axe to fight MECH, they forget that there is a gun on the floor, dropped by the immobilized soldier. However, neither (presumably) has had firearms training, and it's unlikely that Optimus would appreciate trigger-happy allies.
*This episode ''might'' imply that Jack has feelings for Miko. So far, however, it seems to be kinda one-sided. But Miko was seen a few times grabbing Jack's arm.
*This episode may contain human [[death]]. After Arcee jumps off one of MECH's vehicles, it rolls right into another vehicle and the two explode. No humans are seen exiting the vehicles during the accident, so it is likely that they perish in the explosion.
*This episode is the first to feature a human enemy to the Cybertronians (both Autobots and Decepticons). However, they do not meet the leader, Silas, until much later whereas the Autobots only hear him speak this episode.

==Footnotes==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Prime episodes]]

Convoy (episode)

2012-01-04T18:54:41Z

Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime:

{{disambig2|the ''Prime'' episode|the Japanese name and rank|Convoy (rank)}}
{{episode|
|otherseries=''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' ep 9
|prev=Con Job
|next=Deus ex Machina
|image=TFP Convoy highway hijack.jpg
|caption=Ain't it a beautiful sight?
|title="Convoy"
|airdate=[[March 4]], [[2011]]
|written by=[[Joseph Kuhr]]
|directed by=[[Todd Waterman]]
|animation studio=[[Polygon Pictures]]
|production company=[[Hasbro Studios]]
}}
'''The Autobots assist Fowler with transporting a nuclear device.'''

==Synopsis==
The Autobots get an angry call from [[William Fowler|Fowler]]. His plane's been shot down while transporting the hi-tech [[Dynamic Nuclear Generation System]], or the "Dingus", a volatile nuclear device, and he needs help in completing his mission. [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus]] says that using the [[ground bridge]] to transport it would be too dangerous, so instead they'll have to take it by road. They soon have it loaded into a [[trailer]] which Prime starts hauling, with [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] and [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] as an escort. Fowler's disappointed he doesn't get to drive. [[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] and the kids monitor their journey from [[Autobot Outpost Omega-1|base]].

Optimus is irritated by Fowler's enthusiasm with the horn. Unknown to any of them, the convoy is being observed by a helicopter. Fowler and Optimus are discussing whether there was any evil on Earth before the Decepticons came, when they spot the helicopter, which Fowler believes is a [[Decepticon]]. Five green sportscars move in on the convoy, but Optimus warns everyone to maintain their cover and stay in vehicle mode. Ratchet's surprised that they're not showing up on his sensors. All is made clear when one of the cars draws level with Optimus's cab, and a masked human aims a gun at Fowler. Optimus orders the other Autobots to use non-lethal force only. Bumblebee knocks one of the cars, flipping it over, but another drives up alongside Optimus. One of the masked goons climbs onto Optimus and starts attempting to sever the trailer. After Prime knocks the car off the mountainside road, Fowler climbs out and grabs the masked goon, but loses him before he can start the interrogation.
[[Image:Prime-Silas.jpg|left|thumb|250px|[http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Miles_Quaritch/ I want this mission high and tight. I wanna be home for dinner.]]
The fellow in the helicopter makes contact over the walkie and introduces himself as [[Silas]], part of the [[MECH]] organization, who intend to steal the Dingus for their own use. One of the cars pulls up behind Optimus and the MECH goons blow the trailer's back door open, only for [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] to jump out in motorcycle mode and flip their car, causing it to explode. While Optimus warns Fowler not to take Silas lightly (due to [[Megatron (Prime)|personal experience]]), Ratchet informs them they're nearing the rendezvous point.

On the ''[[Nemesis (Prime)|Nemesis]]'', [[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] has intercepted the communications, and [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] sends a bunch of [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]] to join the party.

The Autobots reach the rendezvous point and duck into a rail tunnel alongside a train. Bulkhead seals off the incoming end. A short time later, they and the train emerge from the other end of the tunnel, and Silas continues to follow the Autobots. As luck would have it, the Vehicons take this opportunity to appear and open fire on the convoy. The Autobots avoid getting hit, but Prime's trailer is shaken loose and explodes. The Vehicons transform and move in, forcing Optimus to inform Fowler that they're going to have to break cover to survive. Silas observes the fight and notes that the rumors he's heard of living technology are true. He lets Fowler know that he's aware the Dingus was transferred onto the train while the Autobots were in the tunnel, and the helicopter moves off to intercept the cargo. Unfortunately, while Fowler's giving Optimus the bad news, the Autobot leader takes a tree trunk to the face and falls off a nearby cliff.

The kids have a frantic discussion about a plan B. [[Miko Nakadai|Miko]]'s in favor of Ratchet ground-bridging the kids onto the train so they can fight the MECH goons. With [[Raf Esquivel|Raf's]] help, [[Jack Darby|Jack]] and Miko are soon on the train. As the MECH helicopter tries to land on top of the train, Raf flips a point switch to make the train go off along another line. In response, the helicopter's pilot hacks Raf's laptop, causing it to short out. On the second try, the helicopter lands atop the carriage the Dingus is in, and the MECH guys start cutting through the carriage roof.

Not far away, the Autobots continue their fight with the Vehicons. Optimus comes around and sees the train in trouble.
[[Image:Convoy-trainstop.jpg|thumb|250px|More powerful than a locomotive!]]
Miko and Jack grab weapons, which they wave at the MECH guys when the ceiling's opened. Back in the chopper, Silas spots Optimus running alongside and sounds a retreat. As the helicopter heads away, he fires a missile and takes out the track ahead of the train. Due to Raf's laptop being out of commission, Ratchet no longer has the train's coordinates and can't bridge the kids out. They prepare to jump, but Optimus [[Maximum overdrive|zooms past]], grabs the front of the train and brings it to a halt in the nick of time. Hovering in the helicopter nearby, Silas promises that next time the playing field will be leveled. Optimus reports back to Ratchet that the kids and the Dingus are safe, but notes that a new player has entered the game...
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] (2)
*[[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] (3)
*[[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] (4)
*[[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] (8)
*[[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] (9)

|c2=
*[[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] (13)
*[[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] (14)
*[[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]] (15)

|c3=
*[[William Fowler]] (1)
*[[Jack Darby]] (5)
*[[Miko Nakadai]] (6)
*[[Raf Esquivel]] (7)
*[[MECH]] goons (10)
*[[Silas]] (11)
*[[MECH Navigator]] (12)

}}

==Quotes==
"Ah-ah, no need, Agent Fowler. I will handle the driving." 
"It's going to be a long trip."
:—'''Optimus Prime''' lets '''Agent Fowler''' in on his no-touch policy.

"Agent Fowler. Is that really necessary?" 
"Oh, don't tell me you're one of them "textbook drivers"."
:— '''Optimus Prime''' isn't very keen on '''Agent Fowler's''' use of the horn.

"How about some radio? You seem like a Nashville sound kinda guy."
:—'''Agent Fowler''' to Optimus Prime.

"That's the one! The 'Con who shot me down! Who is he? Wingnut? Dingbat? Skyguy?"
:—'''Fowler''' shares some awesome Transformer name ideas.

"Gentlemen, stop their engines."
:—'''Silas'''

"Is that so? Tell me, Si, what's the market price for a Dingus these days?" 
"What makes you think we intend to sell it, Agent Fowler?"
:—'''Agent Fowler''' and '''Silas''' discussing the value of Fowler's Dingus.

"After a long road trip, feels good to get out of the car, stretch my legs, and kick some tailpipe!"
:—'''Bulkhead''', the reigning king of one-liners.

"You want me to not only bridge you into a confined space, but one traveling at 90 miles per hour? I can't even count the number of things that can go wrong—mass displacement trauma, twisted limbs, metal burn!... Well, maybe not the last one."
:—'''Ratchet''' to the kids.

"First rule of combat: Never leave the enemy with the spoils."
:—'''Silas'''

==Notes==
===Animation and technical errors===
* While Silas delivers his last line, the straps that cross his chest clip into each other.
* At the beginning of the episode, when Ratchet asks Agent Fowler why Starscream would bother with "such primitive technology" (i.e., the Dingus), a small light can be seen inside his open mouth, as if the light coming from his left optic sensor can be seen through it.

===Continuity errors===
[[Image:Convoy-kablooie.jpg|thumb|upright|"I used minimal force. That was the minimal force necessary to ensure they ''never bother us again.''"]]
* The Autobots have a curious definition of "minimal force". During the short battle, they run two cars off the road (causing both to flip over) and blow up a third. The latter most likely killed the passengers. It's amazing the others came out unharmed, considering one was hanging out of the sunroof of his car at the time.

* On the monitor inside the Autobot base, the fork is shown to be on the right side of the rails. When the scene changes to show the running train, it is shown to be on the left.
* The car in front of Bumblebee disappears after the Autobots begin applying force. There is nothing to show whether Bumblebee took care of the car in the front or if it was forgotten in the writing of the episode.

===Continuity notes===
*The plane Fowler was transporting the Dingus on is the same one he had in "[[Masters & Students]]". And he's ''still'' flying without any kind of pilot gear on. Dude is ''hard core''.

===Transformers references===
*Optimus's [[trailer]] is adorned with the same paint scheme as his [[Optimus Prime (G1)|''Generation 1'' counterpart]]'s [[Combat Deck|trailer]].

===Real-world references===
* This episode is the first in ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' to feature a reproduction of an actual real-world vehicle: The locomotive depicted hauling the 'Phase II' train is a very accurate model of a four-axle GP series model produced in La Grange, Illinois (Later London, Ontario) by [[wikipedia:Electro-Motive_Diesel|Electro-Motive Diesel]].

===Foreign localization===
'''German'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Konvoi'''" ("Convoy")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[November 25|25 November]] [[2011]]
'''Italian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Convoglio'''" ("Convoy")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[October 22|22 October]] [[2011]]
'''Korean'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Hosong Jakjeon'''" (호송 작전, "Operation Convoy")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[September 26|26 September]] [[2011]]
'''Polish'''
:*''Title:'' ?
:*''Original airdate:'' [[December 15|15 December]] [[2011]]

===Trivia===
*The train set piece germinated from [[Alex Kurtzman]]'s desire to have a Train Transformer, which would have been too expensive.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21Pb3MeUDdY Roundtable interview with ''Prime'' staff at BotCon 2011]</ref>
*The fact that the Autobots were battling humans rather than Decepticons - a not insignificant twist in the plot - was spoiled by the next-episode preview shown during the Hub's airing of ''Con Job''. What is this, [[Ultra Magnus Dies!!|Japan?]]
*As was previously featured in "[[Darkness Rising, Part 4]]", this episode features an Autobot transforming while carrying a human passenger. Fowler somehow ends up sitting in Optimus's hand rather than inside him, though.
[[Image:JackFireExtinguisherMikoAxe.jpg|thumb|200px|So I married an axe murderer.]]
*On board the train, Jack and Miko each pick a "weapon" of choice to face the MECH goons. Appropriately, Miko happens to take an axe, like she did [[Darkness Rising, Part 5|to face Soundwave's tentacle]], while Jack takes a fire extinguisher, like he did [[Scrapheap (episode)|a couple of episodes ago]].
*When Jack and Miko grab respectively, the fire extinguisher and the fire axe to fight MECH, they forget that there is a gun on the floor, dropped by the immobilized soldier. However, neither (presumably) has had firearms training, and it's unlikely that Optimus would appreciate trigger-happy allies.
*This episode ''might'' imply that Jack has feelings for Miko. So far, however, it seems to be kinda one-sided. But Miko was seen a few times grabbing Jack's arm.
*This episode may contain human [[death]]. After Arcee jumps off one of MECH's vehicles, it rolls right into another vehicle and the two explode. No humans are seen exiting the vehicles during the accident, so it is likely that they perish in the explosion.
*This episode is the first to feature a human enemy to the Cybertronians (both Autobots and Decepticons). However, they do not meet the leader, Silas, until much later whereas the Autobots only hear him speak this episode.

==Footnotes==
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[[Category:Prime episodes]]