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Magmatron: A friend bought the black Choro-Q Robo and it shattered in his hands, so I'm updating this part to reflect the fact that it CAN happen to both versions, lest anyone else be fooled.

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[[File:G1 megatron boxart.jpeg|thumb|upright=1.95|CROTCH ACTIVATE!]]
Many toys have been made of '''[[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'''. So many, in fact they have to get their own page!

Due to the popularity of the character and the evergrowing Generation 1 continuity family, this article had become far too large, causing internet browsers to struggle loading all of its contents—and in the most extreme cases—crashing entirely. For the sake of a nice clean split, we have opted to move all of Megatron's ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' toys into a separate article which can be found '''[[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys|here]]'''.

==''The Transformers''==
[[File:G1Megatron toy.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|This photo needs an orange cap or someone might shoot the wiki.<br>(''Hasbro release'')]]
[[File:G1toy japanese megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|I blue myself.<br>(''Takara release'')]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Megatron''' (Decepticon Leader, 1984 / 1985)}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number'': '''16'''
:*''Accessories (Hasbro release)'': Silencer, stock, telescopic sight/"fusion cannon", "high-density infrared [[laser cannon]]"
:*''Accessories (Takara release)'': Sword, "high-density infrared laser cannon", 20 bullets
{{toydesigner|[[Hideaki Yoke]] and [[Takashi Matsuda]] (TakaraTomy)}}

: Released in the first year of the ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Transformers]]'' toyline, Megatron transforms into an accurate replica of a Walther P-38 pistol... specifically, the unique, specialized Walther pistol seen in the popular 1960s spy television series ''{{w|The Man from U.N.C.L.E.}}'' <ref>"U.N.C.L.E. Special" Carbine at CIA Museum, [http://web.archive.org/web/20100324191047/https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/cia-museum/spy-fi-archives/item08.html archived version]</ref>, with its specialized scope, silencer and stock. In robot mode, the sight doubles as his signature arm-mounted [[fusion cannon]], but can also be combined with the other attachments to form either a "[[Particle beam cannon|Particle Beam Cannon]]" weapons emplacement that Megatron can man, or a "Telescopic Laser Cannon" that connects to the figure as an over-shoulder weapons array. Megatron also came with a chromed silver "high-density infrared laser cannon" that plugs into either of his hands.

: The toy was originally the Takara ''[[Microman]]'' "Gun Robo - P38 U.N.C.L.E." (it also came in other colors with other accessories, which will come up later), which had several features that were altered or omitted from the Hasbro version. The Gun Robo featured a spring-loaded firing mechanism that allowed the toy to shoot ([[for safety reasons|dangerously small]]) plastic bullets one at a time from its barrel. A similar launching mechanism was also built into the stock piece, which could launch the bullets when the accessories were configured into their weapons emplacement mode, or attach to its hip when in robot mode and launch the bullets through his barrel. This feature was removed completely from the Hasbro release of the toy (rather than merely weakened like most launching gimmicks), though the ports into which the bullets were inserted are still present. The stock/scope/silencer pieces can also form a turret that a ''Microman'' figure can sit on and operate (that's what the tiny handles on Megatron's fusion cannon are for), but this feature was naturally left out of the ''Transformers'' version's instructions.

: Megatron has had several variations, reissues and [[redeco]]s released down through the years; this article strives to list each distinct edition of the toy under its own respective series. The earliest variation of the toy came in 1985, when (like all toys originally available in 1984) a factory-applied [[rubsign]] was added to Megatron's right arm, while another version had the rub sign on his left hip guard.

: The following year, when he was no longer a part of the toy assortment sold at retail, Megatron was made available as a mail-away item in the "[[Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction (G1)|Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction]]" flier packed in with boxed ''Transformers'' toys. He cost $21.50 and five [[Robot Point]]s. To coincide with the [[The Transformers: The Movie|1986 animated movie]] release, he was also offered in "[[The Autobots Have a Special Mission for:]]" mail-away pamphlet and came with a special "Movie Edition Certificate" and a round sticker that read "Movie . Edition . Transformer" with the Autobot symbol in the middle; this item is now considered particularly rare.

: Perhaps the most significant variant of Megatron released in these early years was the version of the figure released by [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] in Japan. Instead of using the ''Microman'' "U.N.C.L.E." figure as Hasbro had, Takara released the ''standard'' version of the Gun Robo P-38 ''Microman'' figure, in its grey color scheme, which featured flat grey plastic on the chest and arms (where Hasbro's toy was chromed), and blue plastic on the inner arms and legs (where Hasbro's was red). Most notably, like that standard ''Microman'' figure, Takara's Megatron did not come with the stock, silencer and scope accessories (lacking even the attachment point for his cannon on his right arm), but instead came with a silver-chromed sword, and retained his original bullet-firing mechanism. Takara's [[package art]] for the figure was an entirely different illustration from the Hasbro version, showing this toy's accessories, but it still erroneously showed the figure with red plastic on its limbs. This coloration was later [[Repurposing|repurposed]] by [[e-HOBBY]] for a new character named [[Megaplex#Toys|Megaplex]].

: Megatron is probably the most troubled ''Transformers'' toy in all of ''Transformers''<nowiki>'</nowiki> history, due to being originally developed in a country which had different toy [[For safety reasons#Firearm replicas|safety laws regarding firearm replicas]]. The measures required to alter the toy to not look a realistic firearm enough to be legally sold at retail vary from region to region, with even ''completely un-gun-like colors'' not being enough in some areas. This has of course prevented any reissues of the toy to be released in the US, where it is distressingly easy to own a ''real'' Walther P-38 handgun.

::*''[http://tfu.info/1984/Decepticon/Megatron/megatron.htm More information on Megatron at TFU.info]''
::*[http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=ngAuAAAAEBAJ Patent info]
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<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Convoy VS Megatron''' (Multi-pack, 1985)}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''VSX'''
:*''Accessories'': Sword, "high-density infrared laser cannon", 20 bullets

: In Japan, Megatron was also made available in a special two-pack with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#The Transformers|Optimus Prime]]. Both toys were identical to their individual releases. In Megatron's case, that means unchromed gray plastic, blue instead of red, and a functional firing mechanism and sword, instead of the scope, silencer and stock.

: This box also used an altered version of the individual release's box-art, turning his head sideways to face Prime, as opposed to the original's camera-facing head position.

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[[File:G1toy gb megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''The world can be one together, Cosmos without hatred. Stars like diamonds in your eyes...'']]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Good Bye Megatron''' (Multi-pack, 1986)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Sword, "high-density infrared laser cannon", 20 bullets, targeting sight/fusion cannon

: Megatron was released again as part of a special "Good Bye" set to commemorate his passing ([[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|of sorts]]) in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', packaged with [[Starscream (G1)/toys#The Transformers|Starscream]] (who also was now no more). Although it still lacked the chrome seen on the Hasbro version of the toy, this edition of the figure replaced the blue plastic seen on previous Takara releases with Hasbro's show-accurate red, and included the fusion cannon accessory for the first time with a Takara release, complete with the mounting point now added to Megatron's right arm. Though still lacking the silencer and stock, the toy retained its Japanese-exclusive sword accessory and its bullet-firing mechanism, with one modification: the bullets, formerly blue, were now red.

: Despite the change to the toy's colors, the box art on this set, the same art used for the [[Hasbro]] releases, was recolored to match the blue of the ''previous'' releases. Whoops.

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<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Galvatron''' (Decepticon [[City Commander]], 1986)}}</ul>
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[[File:Neutro-fusiontanktoy1.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Uh-oh! Visual interest!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Neutro-Fusion Tank with Megatron''' (Action Master Decepticon Attack Vehicle, 1990)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Neutro-Fusion Tank, 4 missiles, "twin laser cannon"

: Released in the seventh and final year of the US ''Transformers'' line (sixth and non-final in Europe), [[Action Master]] Megatron is a 3¾-inch non-transforming action figure based heavily upon the character's animation model design. His construction is broadly similar to that used by the ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'' figures of the time, having a swivel neck, shoulders and knees, plus ball-jointed hips attached via a steel rod internally secured by a rubber "o-ring". His hands have standard 3 mm holes which allow him to hold any other accessory in the Action Master line, plus his feet have holes in the bottom to secure him to larger vehicles. On top of that, the hole in his back is compatible with [[5 mm post]]s.

: He came packaged with the [[Neutro-Fusion Tank]], a large tank vehicle whose hull could transform into a base/gun emplacement, with the turret forming a flight pod.

: In a fairly notable omission, ''Action Master'' Megatron did not come with the character's iconic fusion cannon accessory. In 1992, however, a Japanese fan sculpted his own cannon accessory, which could plug into the figure's arm using the shoulder peg-hole (seen in the image at right). In a surprising move, Takara gave this cannon their approval and allowed it to be officially sold with their copyright stamp at a Japanese convention {{fact|which one?}} for only one day, at the price of 2000 yen.

::*''[http://tfu.info/1990/Decepticon/Megatron/megatron.htm More information on Action Master Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:G1toy 2000 megatron reissue.jpg|thumb|upright=1]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Megatron''' (Destron, 2001)}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''16-S'''
:*''Accessories'': Silencer, stock, telescopic sight/fusion cannon, "high-density infrared laser cannon", sword, 20 bullets

: This reissue of the original Megatron figure combines the best aspects of the Hasbro and Takara versions into the most "complete" version of Megatron available at that point. The set features the chromed chest/arms and red plastic of the Hasbro release, and includes the silencer, stock and sight/cannon, while also coming with Takara's sword and functional bullet-firing mechanisms (and bullets, of course).

:This reissue was redecoed to make the simultaneously-available exclusive "Megatron Black Version" (see below).
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==''Collector's Edition''==
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[[File:G1toy black megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|[[Black redeco|Blacktron]], nemesis of the Space Police.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Megatron Black Version''' (Destron, [[2001]] / [[2009]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''16-S'''
:*''Accessories'': Silencer, stock, telescopic sight/"fusion cannon", "high-density infrared laser cannon", sword, 20 bullets

: Where the original Takara Megatron toy made use of one of the two color schemes of the original ''Microman'' MC-12 Gun Robo P38 toy, this redeco of the 2000 reissue Megatron is an homage to the ''second'', black color scheme for the ''Microman'' toy, though serving more as a "What If" for the black MC-12 if it had received the U.N.C.L.E. upgrade with chrome and red plastic like its grey and blue brother. Available exclusively through [[e-HOBBY]] and pre-orders at [[BotCon Japan 2000]], "Megatron Black Version" features dark gunmetal chrome, black plastic instead of grey, and distinctive metallic brown gun handle-grips, fists and "inner helmet". The chrome replaces the flat black plastic chest and arms of the original ''Microman'' toy, while the original MC-12's blue has been swapped to traditional Megatron/U.N.C.L.E. package red. The toy was limited to 1000 pieces.

: Sadly, the metallic brown plastic is the sparkly, swirled type and suffers from [[Gold Plastic Syndrome]]. Pegging the sword or rifle into the robot hands or attaching the stock to the handle in gun mode is highly inadvisable unless you only want to do it once.

: This set shippeed out to buyers in February of 2001. e-HOBBY later reissued Megatron Black Version in February 2009, now in [[The Transformers: Collector's Edition|Collector's Edition]] packaging. This release includes a [[Destron Leader Megatron Black Ver.|mini-comic]] explaining the story behind the redeco.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2000/Destron/BlackMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Megatron Black Version at TFU.info]''
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==''Generation 2''==
[[File:G2Megatron toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|G2 Megatron is always ready for tank combat in one of Earth's many green and purple jungles.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d2|'''Megatron''' (Decepticon, 1992)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Rifle, 6 missiles, sight

: Owing to Hasbro's [[for safety reasons|inability]] to re-release the original Megatron because that toy was a pistol, ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' instead saw the release of an entirely new Megatron toy in 1992, now as a large green M1A1 Abrams main battle tank. His main gimmick is his gravity-fed cannon, which holds four of his missiles at once (the remaining two can store in clips inside his legs) and can rapidly launch them one after the other. Pulling back on the cannon's tab drops a missile into the firing tube and triggers a "lock and load" sound effect, and pressing the launch button is accompanied by a firing sound effect. In tank mode, pressing a panel on his forward section trigger's the toy's infamous battle cry of '''"Megatron Attack!"''', while pressing down on the tank body while it is on a flat surface activates engine noises.

: In robot mode, Megatron is, by the standards of the time, a very large robot, towering over all ''Generation 2'' incarnations of Optimus Prime. His legs are immobile, but he has upper shoulder rotation and elbow joints; when raised, his left arm triggers an electronic laser sound effect. His cannon and all its sound effects still work in this mode, as does his "Megatron Attack!" sound effect, now triggered by pressing down on the figure's head. Megatron also features an autotransforming gimmick on the head, as it pops out once the cannon is slid to the right.

: This sculpt was slightly [[redeco]]ed (with new stickers) as ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars (Japanese toyline)#BWII|Beast Wars II]]'' [[Megastorm#Toys|Megastorm]].

: Furthermore, a [[retool]]ed version of the toy's lock-and-load shoulder cannon (or a new sculpt heavily based on it) was used as the main cannon on the [http://www.yojoe.com/sgtsavage/panther.shtml I.R.O.N Panther Tank] in the very short-lived 1995 ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'' line ''Sgt. Savage and his Screaming Eagles''.

::*''[http://tfu.info/1993/Decepticon/Megatron/megatron.htm More information on Generation 2 Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:G2-toy Megatron Hero.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|By this point, the purple had almost completely taken over his body.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d2|'''Megatron''' (Hero, 1993)}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number'': '''TRF-2'''
:*''Accessories'': Rifle, 2 air-launch missiles

: Megatron was released again the following year as [[Hero (G2)|Hero]] Megatron: a smaller, but similarly styled tank based off the M1 Abrams. In both modes his main cannon is attached to a bellows that launches the included air-propelled missiles when quickly compressed. Both missiles can be kept on Megatron thanks to clips on his turret, which become his robot mode arms, which can also kinda simulate the "classic" Megatron arm cannon to boot by turning them so their warheads point backwards.

: Hero Megatron was designed with articulation in mind, so he is loaded with multiple swivel and universal joints, giving him far greater movement compared to his original ''Generation 2'' toy. However, it's really just friction that keeps his joints tight and his parts together in [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] (no pegs or clips) so after a bit of time and play, he turns pretty floppy. The joints connecting his biceps to his shoulders are also reportedly easy to break due to overly-tight tolerances, so caution is advised.

::*''[http://tfu.info/1994/Decepticon/Megatron/megatron.htm More information on Hero Megatron at TFU.info]''
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[[File:Megatron-G2GoBot.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|He'd be a better shot if he could only see over his hood-chest. (''Hasbro release'')]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d2|'''Megatron''' (Go-Bot, 1995)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Rifle

: Part of the second assortment of [[Go-Bot (G2)|Go-Bots]], this version of Megatron is a mild [[redeco]] of the Autobot [[Blowout#Toys|Blowout]], transforming into a 1:64-scale sports car similar to a {{w|Porsche 959}} and through-axle construction. This not only makes him roll exceptionally fast in car mode, but also makes him largely compatible with playsets from the "[[Hot Wheels]]" and "Matchbox" toy-car lines.

: Megatron and Blowout share the same blue and black inner robot colors, but Megatron uses opaque silver plastic with a shiny metallic silver paint overcoat, as opposed to Blowout's smoky-clear plastic. (All of the toys from the first wave that had transparent plastics were released in this wave with opaques instead; Blowout and [[Firecracker#Toys|Firecracker]] became new versions of Megatron and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#GobotOptimusPrime|Optimus Prime]] respectively, while [[Gearhead#Toys|Gearhead]] and [[Motormouth#Toys|Motormouth]] stayed themselves.)

: In Europe, this deco was sold as Blowout himself rather than Megatron (at least in the French/Dutch/German packaging variant).

:[[File:G2-toy Megatron GoBotTakara.jpg|upright=1|left|thumb|(''Takara release'')]]

: Megatron was one of only three Go-Bots sold in the ''G-2'' line, but it was a... weird release. His hood was tampographed with a stylized "T" with the ''Transformers'' logo set within the top bar, the same deco that appears on Go-Bots [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Generation 2|Soundwave]], as well as the Japanese release of Go-Bots [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#GobotOptimusPrime|Optimus Prime]]. These three toys were sold on cards that were nigh-identical to the Hasbro cards on the front, rather than the usual ''G-2'' style packaging, with only a small bit of Japanese text on the front in the logo. The back side is stylistically close to the ''Generation 2'' packaging, but a "generic" cardback used for all three toys and entirely in Japanese. It's unclear why these toys were released this way; it's possible these were sold in convenience stores or some other similar outlet rather than in conventional toy stores/departments, and the toys are not even present in the normal ''G-2'' pack-in catalogs. Even more oddly, the Megatron shown on the cross-sell is actually a Frenzy with the car panels hand-painted back to silver, and lacks the "T" on the hood.

: This sculpt was also redecod for the third wave of Go-Bots to become [[Frenzy (G1)/toys#Generation 2|Frenzy]], and later still into the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] [[Spychanger]] [[Hot Shot (RID)#Toys|Hot Shot]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/1995/Decepticon/Megatron/megatron.htm More information on Go-Bot Megatron at TFU.info]''
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[[File:CombatHeroMegatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I AM POWERED BY UNOBTAINIUM!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d2|'''Megatron''' (Hero, <strike>[[1995]]</strike>)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': rifle, 2 air-launch missiles

: This Megatron was to be a kinda-sorta "arctic"-camo version of the [[#Hero|Hero Megatron]] toy. Packaged samples of this toy were produced, but it was ultimately never released.

: Since much of the advertising for the ultimately unreleased redeco used an older, outdated name for the "Heroes" assortment, "Combat Heroes", Megatron and an [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#HeroRecolorOptimusPrime|equally unreleased redeco of "Hero" Optimus Prime]] are commonly referred to by fans as "Combat Heroes" compared to the original "Heroes" releases, although all evidence suggests that Hasbro had never actually intended such a distinction, instead treating them as mere color variants. Though the packaging is mostly unchanged (including a reuse of the existing packaging art depicting the original release's color scheme), one of the few minor alterations sees the addition of the name "Hero" (rather than "Combat Hero") to Megatron's name above the (otherwise unchanged) UPC barcode.

: At [[BotCon 1996]], a donated Hero Megatron redeco was one of the items in the charity auction, along with several other canceled ''Generation 2'' toys.

::*''[http://www.toyarchive.com/Transformers/Prototypes/Generation2/HeroMegatronProtoMOSC.html "Combat Hero" Megatron in packaging at Super Toy Archive]''
::*''[http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/resources/review/generation+2/camoflague+megatron/3725 Image gallery of a loose "Combat Hero" Megatron at Transformers @ The Moon]''
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[[File:G2toy ATB megs and screamer.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Cancelled?! This is all YOUR fault, Starscream!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d2|'''Advanced Tactical Bomber Megatron''' (Decepticon, [[1995]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': 12 missiles, 2 missile launchers

: A redeco of ''Generation 2'' [[Dreadwing (G2)#Toys|Dreadwing]], this two-pack of Megatron and [[Starscream (G1)/toys#ATB|Starscream]] was about as close to "cancelled" as a toy can get while still seeing the light of day at all: released only in test markets in [[Ohio]], USA in very limited quantities, and never getting a wider release. Some of the few known specimens have [[KB Toys|Kay-Bee Toys]] price stickers on their boxes. Megatron and Starscream combine to form a "flying wing" Advanced Tactical Bomber, with an under-slung six-missile gatling cannon that can rapid-fire six missiles by twisting the back end. Each wing can store three more missiles, which can "carpet-bomb" targets below by pressing the pressure-launch buttons above each. Removing Starscream from the jet mode triggers an autotransformation mechanism in Megatron's wings, folding them up and starting him on his way to his third mode as a treaded "tank." According to the Toy Fair 1995 Transformers presentation, the toy's missiles were intended to [[Glow-in-the-dark|glow in the dark]].

: This toy's deco was modified to make ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars (Japanese toyline)#1998 (Beast Wars II)|Beast Wars]]'' [[BB (BW)#Toys|BB]] and [[Starscream (BW)#Toys|Starscream]] out of the same mold-set. Importantly, ATB Megatron uses light gray plastic rather than BB's silver plastic, lacks chrome on his wings, and has pale, supposed-to-glow-in-the-dark missiles rather than bright yellow. The missiles are also [[retool]]ed with a different, pointier back-end, indicating the launchers' interiors were also retooled; this tooling is completely different from the retooling done to each individual later use of the mold, meaning ''none'' of the missiles are interchangeable between them. Of course the stickers are also different, but those can be replicated and put onto a BB, so heads up!

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/issue02/atbmegs.htm ATB Megatron in packaging at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/resources/review/generation+2/+megatron+atb/3590 Image gallery of a loose ATB Megatron at Transformers @ The Moon]''
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==''Beast Wars''==
{{Note|Very early in the life of the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' toyline (before the debut of the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' cartoon), Hasbro treated the series as an extension of the Autobot/Decepticon war, and so Megatron was presented as being the same character as Generation 1 Megatron.}}

[[File:BWtoy-MegatronBasic.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Go Gators!]]
*'''Optimus Primal VS Megatron''' (Basic Class Two-pack, [[1996]]/[[1997]])
**''Takara ID number:'' '''VS-6'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun/tail
{{toydesigner|[[Takio Ejima]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:The initial version of ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' Megatron transforms into a green alligator. The toy shares a mold with [[Iguanus (BW)|Iguanus]], sporting different beast and robot mode heads and lacking the lizard's frill (though the screw hole for the frill bracket remains); as the two toys were released at the same time, it is unknown if one is a [[retool]] of the other, or if the mold was designed for both simultaneously. Megatron transforms via a spring-loaded one-step process, and his removable [[beast mode]] tail hides a non-firing blaster cannon that becomes a hand-held weapon for his robot mode.

:This mold was redecoed into the purple Megalligator ([[#CDgator|see below]]), released individually to be his own character [[Megalligator]] and a different redeco was proposed for the unproduced [[Albitron]]. The Iguanus version of the mold was redecoed into [[Crazybolt (BW)|Crazybolt]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/1996/Predacon/MegatronGator/megatron.htm More information on ''Beast Wars'' Megatron at TFU.info]''
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[[File:Bwmegatron toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Don't call him Barney.]]
*'''Megatron''' (Ultra Class, 1996)
**''Takara ID number:'' '''D-1'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles, "poisonous paralyzer fluid" water-squirting gun

: This version of Megatron transforms into a purple organic ''Tyrannosaurus rex'', and is loaded with multiple play features. His dinosaur head, which becomes his right hand in robot mode, features a [[water-squirting gimmick]] activated by opening the dinosaur's mouth, while his tail folds into a working plunger-operate pincer that forms his left arm. The outer shells of his dinosaur thighs conceal spring-loaded missile launchers that fire anchor-shaped projectiles, and like all larger ''Beast Wars'' figures of the era, he features a [[mutant head]], formed from two bat-like wing adornments that fold around his robot head.

: This mold was also used to make the ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' [[Dinobot (BM)|Dinobot]] [[T-Wrecks#Toys|T-Wrecks]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/1996/Predacon/Megatron/megatron.htm More information on ''T. rex'' Megatron at TFU.info]''
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[[File:CDMegaligator.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Because a solid grey alligator would just be silly.]]
*'''Amazon Showdown''' (Two-pack, 1997)
**''ID number:'' '''VS-S1'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun/tail

:This figure is a purple [[redeco]] of Megatron's alligator form ([[#Hero|likely taking his colors from the ''G-2'' Megatron toy]] released in Japan), and was sold with a [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#VSS1|red and white redeco]] of the bat version of Optimus Primal. This toy was released with a bio that indicates him to be Generation 1 Megatron, having been a "Walther P38-type pistol robo" who evolved into a new form by scanning an alligator. The set also came with a CD-ROM featuring tech specs and video clips of the ''Beast Wars'' cartoon cast and images to color.

::*''[http://tfu.info/1997/Destron/MegagatorJapan/megatron.htm More information on Amazon Showdown Megalligator at TFU.info]''
::*''[https://ameblo.jp/aburachoujin/entry-12545863577.html Review including CD-ROM images at aburachoujin's blog]''
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==''Machine Wars''==
[[File:MW-toy Megatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|And that's why Thundercracker turned green.]]
*'''Megatron''' (Basic Class, 1997)
**''Accessories'': 2-part rifle

: Sharing a mold with his concurrently-released ally [[Megaplex#Toys|Megaplex]] (using the [[#G2Flipchanger|above-described mold]] developed for ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]''), ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' Megatron transforms from a [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes|Lockheed-Martin F-22 Raptor fighter jet]] to robot mode with a spring-loaded one-step transformation. The two halves of his rifle store in the back of his robot mode legs.

: Oddly, the ''Machine Wars'' stock photos (and even the boxart) portray Megatron as the gray F-22 jet and Megaplex as the blue one, the ''opposite'' of the actual toys. This means that either the package designers made the mistake, or the toys were packaged on the wrong cards. The latter is more likely, since gray is more associated with Megatron than blue... but we list them how they were packaged, oh well. Like most other toys in the line, the boxart was recycled from an earlier figure, in this case from the [[Predator (subgroup)|Predator]] [[Falcon (G1)|Falcon]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/1997/Decepticon/Megatron/megatron.htm More information on Machine Wars Megatron at TFU.info]''
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==''Choro-Q Robo''==
[[File:Choroq megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Does he really count as ''Mega''tron at this size?]]
*'''Megatron TV Version''' (2001)
**''ID Number:'' '''Q/03'''
{{toydesigner|[[Kazutami Yasuhiko]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:''[[Choro-Q|Choro-Q Robo]]'' Megatron is a small, cutesified transforming figure of the Decepticon leader. He is the only ''Choro-Q Robo'' Transformers figure that does not come with a weapon accessory, but after all, he does turn ''into'' a gun. In a bizarre and hilarious touch, Megatron has wheels on his base and barrel, so that he can share the common feature of the ''Choro-Q Robo'' figures: a pull-back motor!

:Sadly, Megatron's gray plastic is ''extremely'' prone to [[Photodegradation|yellowing]] even when not exposed to sunlight and becomes brittle just as quickly, shattering to bits easily. Some copies of the black version also have embrittlement issues.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2001/Destron/ChoroQMegatron/megatron.htm More information on ''Choro-Q'' Megatron at TFU.info]''

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*'''Megatron Black Version''' (2001)
**''ID Number:'' '''Q/04'''

:This version of ''Choro-Q Robo'' Megatron is a redeco of the first, decked out in a metallic color scheme based on the "Black Version" of the reissue of the Generation 1 figure released earlier that year.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2001/Destron/ChoroQBlackMegs/megatron.htm More information on ''Choro-Q'' Black Megatron at TFU.info]''
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==''The Transformers Collection''==
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[[File:G1toy tfc megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|I LOVE YOU KITCHEN GUN]]
*'''Megatron''' (2002)
**''ID number:'' '''6'''
**''Accessories'': Silencer, stock, telescopic sight/fusion cannon, "high-density infrared laser cannon", sword, 20 bullets, [[energon mace]], mouse pad

:The original Generation 1 Megatron figure was again reissued in 2002 as part of Takara's ''[[The Transformers Collection]]'' series. This release was identical to the previous "D-16 Special" reissue above, in that it featured the colors of the Hasbro release of the toy and all the accessories of both the Hasbro and Takara versions, but this time it also included a new [[energon mace]] weapon which plugs over Megatron's hand, as used by the Decepticon leader in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original ''The Transformers'' cartoon]] episode "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]". Much like the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|"New Year Special"]] version of Optimus Prime released the previous year, Megatron also came with a sheet of Decepticon [[insignia]] stickers of different sizes, and a Decepticon mouse pad.

: If ordered in several non-Japan sites like BigBadToyStore, Megatron comes with an orange tip installed on his barrel.

: This version of the toy was used to make [[Megaplex#Collector's Edition|Megaplex]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/1984/Decepticon/Megatron/megatron.htm More information on Transformers Collection Megatron at TFU.info]''
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[[File:TFC09ScreamerHoldingMegs.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Sometimes I just... want to be held.]]
*'''Starscream''' (Transformers Collection, 2003)
**''ID number:'' '''9'''

: A diminutive version of Megatron in his Walther P-38 mode was included as a new accessory with the ''Transformers Collection'' release of Starscream. Needless to say, he doesn't transform, but can be held by Starscream in both modes. Megatron's handle disconnects to reveal a peg, which can then be inserted into either of Starscream's fists, which were specifically resculpted for this purpose. Each fist also features a tab on its underside, into which Megatron's handle can be inserted, completing the effect. Megatron can also attach to Starscream's jet mode; the right-hand side of Megatron's handle features a square peg which is designed to fit snugly in gaps in Starscream's pectorals, as in the Generation 1 episode, "[[S.O.S. Dinobots]]". Unfortunately, this peg has, for no fathomable reason, been cast in the same sky blue color as Starscream's hands, unnecessarily making it ''as obtrusive as humanly possible''. An additional tabbed right fist for [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Generation 1|Optimus Prime]] (complementing his then-upcoming ''Transformers Collection'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Transformers Collection|Convoy]] release) was included as well.

: Megatron's post is compatible with [[5 mm post|5mm post]] fist holes, provided there is sufficient clearance for both the trigger and the back of the gun, and if you don't mind not using the handle.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Destron/AnimeStarscream/starscream.htm More information on Transformers Collection Starscream at TFU.info]''
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==''Commemorative Series''==
[[File:TF-Commemorative-Series-Megatron.jpg|upright=1.66|Did NOT kill Squadron X.|thumb]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{bp-d1|'''Megatron''' (<s>200?</s>, unreleased)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories:'' Silencer, stock, telescopic sight/fusion cannon, "high-density infrared laser cannon", sword
{{toydesigner|[[Aaron Archer]]}}

: Hasbro attempted to include the original Generation 1 Megatron toy in their ''[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]]'' of reissues, but his realistic-gun-ness posed [[for safety reasons|a challenge]]. In an attempt to convince Toys"R"Us (the retailer through whom the line was exclusively available) to carry the toy, ''Transformers'' Lead Designer, [[Aaron Archer]] worked on a proposed extensive redeco of the figure, replacing its silver chrome with blue and its grey plastic with bright orange, including the tip of his silencer, in accordance with standard safety measures taken with toy guns. Even this was not enough to convince the chain to release the figure and it was shelved, but the design was shown to fans at [[BotCon 2002]], where it was noted that a potential way to the market the unusually-colored toy would have been to brand it as "'''Lava Megatron'''", depicting the Decepticon leader after his dunk in lava at the end of the cartoon episode, "[[Heavy Metal War]]". Fans, however, had another nickname for it that became better known: "'''Safety Megatron'''". Notably, this version of the toy would apparently have come with Megatron's Japanese-exclusive sword accessory.

:The same images were later shown at [[BotCon 2005]]. Sadly, photography was not allowed at either panel the toy was shown at.

:*''[https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=177341559109628&set=a.129078730602578.24553.129076873936097&type=1&theater Images of "Safety Megatron" on The Spacebridge's facebook page]''
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==''Smallest Transforming Transformers''==
[[File:STFMegatron toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Not 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime's gun.]]
*'''Megatron''' (2004)
**''ID number:'' '''GTF 07'''
**''Accessories:'' Fusion cannon/scope

: ''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' Megatron was released in the second wave of the diminutive Takara toyline, including only his fusion cannon. Easily the most complex of the ''Smallest Transforming'' figures, Megatron is a just-barely-simplified version of his original Generation 1 toy, possessing the same [[transformation scheme]] and retaining most of his articulation. The transformation step involving sliding his chest upwards away from his hips is extremely difficult and will usually result in the chest popping off; this is fixable.

:Just as ''Smallest Transforming'' Optimus Prime's trailer was released as a separate figure in the line, so too were a set of silencer and stock attachments originally intended to be released for Megatron in the line's third wave. Unfortunately, this wave, and most of the other original figures it was set to contain, was cancelled, and so Megatron was left under-armed.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2004/Destron/SmallestMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Smallest Transforming Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Wst vsx megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Convoy vs Megatron''' (multipack, 2004)
**''ID Number:'' '''VSX'''
**''Accessories:'' Fusion cannon/scope

:Available exclusively as a freebie through the September 2004 issue of [[Dengeki Hobby]] magazine, this ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' two-pack contains both Optimus Prime and Megatron, in homage to the original 1984 "VSX" giftset containing the original versions of the two leaders. While Optimus is unaltered from his original release, Megatron takes the homage a little further, removing the swirled pattern from the original figure's chest and replacing the red plastic with blue to emulate the original Takara version of the full-size Generation 1 figure.
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==''Robotmasters''==
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[[File:RMtoy reverse convoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|My Convoy counterpart is nearby. Real nearby.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Reverse Convoy''' (2005)}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''RM-24'''
:*''Release date'': [[May 26]], 2005
:*''Accessories'': "Reverse Blaster", missile

: The only release in the seventh wave of Takara's ''[[Robotmasters (franchise)|Robotmasters]]'' toys, Reverse Convoy is a [[redeco]] and [[retool]] of the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' [[#Hero|"Hero Megatron" toy]], transforming into a heavily modified blue and tan [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes|M1 Abrams tank]]. In addition to a new "[[Reverse Convoy]]" head that flips out of the same compartment as the head on the original version of the mold, the toy features a brand new "Mega Blaster" cannon assembly that houses most of the toy's new features. The Mega Blaster fires a spring-loaded blue missile, and the rear of the cannon can be removed and transformed into the hand-held "Reverse Blaster" weapon, featuring twin barrels and a rack of six (non-removable) missiles. Once the Reverse Blaster is removed, the toy's "Rebirth Megatron" head can be rotated out from the back of the cannon to take the place of Reverse Convoy's head between the figure's shoulders.

: The toy still retains the opening panels on its forearms, despite no longer featuring the large missiles they are designed to store.

: The original version of this mold was use to make [[Archforce#Toys|Archforce]] and [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] [[Bludgeon (RID 2001)#Toys|Bludgeon]] (which has been [[Repurposing|repurposed]] to also be ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Bludgeon (SG)|Bludgeon]]) and [[Yellow Megatron]].

: This toy was later [[repurposing|repurposed]] as [[Brightes]] and as [[Blue Megatron]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Destron/ReverseConvoy/reverseconvoy.htm More information on Reverse Convoy at TFU.info]''
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==''Masterpiece''==
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[[File:GunmodeMegsMasterpieceConvoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Bang bang! He shot me down! Bang bang! I hit the ground...]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2003/2004)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-1'''
**''Accessories'': Scope, silencer, stock

:''20th Anniversary'' Optimus Prime included an accessory of Megatron in his classic Walther P-38 altmode. Although non-transforming, it is quite detailed and includes the individually removable silencer / barrel extension, scope, and (hinged) stock. Although notionally [[scale]]d to be wielded by Prime, Megatron is really rather small, so a diagonal sliding joint is added to his handle, allowing it to be lengthened and narrowed enough so that Prime can actually hold it. Both the stock and the sliding butt-end of the handle are made of a soft, rubbery vinyl, compared to the hard plastic of the other pieces. The stock extension connecting clamp is prone to breakage, much to the chagrin of owners who keep theirs sealed and untouched.

:Needless to say, the later-released ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Starscream]] (and [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|his]] [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|redecoes]]) can also hold this version of Megatron, and each include a small round clip that plugs in under their nosecones, allowing them to wield Megatron while in jet mode, as Starscream did in "[[S.O.S. Dinobots]]".

:As the ''Masterpiece'' Optimus Prime mold has been has re-released multiple times, so too has Megatron. He was made available again without changes as an accessory for Takara's MP-4, "[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#MP4|Convoy Perfect Edition]]" and MP-1L, "[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#MP1L|Convoy Last Production]]", and Hasbro's "[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#20thDVD|DVD Edition]]", but has also been redecoed several times: these distinct new versions of Megatron are listed below.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/20thPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:MPtoy gold megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|This thing was badass in ''GoldenEye''.]]
*'''Convoy''' (Lucky Draw Figure, 2004)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-1'''
**''Accessories'': Scope, silencer, stock

:Offered as part of a Lucky Draw campaign in August 2004, this extremely rare version of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#MPGold|''Masterpiece'' Prime]] is almost entirely vacuum-metalized gold, lacking any other painted detail or stickers. The same is true of the Megatron accessory, who is all chromed golden save for the butt of his handle and his stock, which are metallic golden plastic.

::*''[http://www.goldoptimusprime.com/ More information on gold ''Masterpiece'' Convoy at GoldOptimusPrime.com]''

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[[File:MPtoy magnus megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (2004)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-2'''
**''Accessories'': Scope, silencer, stock

:When ''Masterpiece'' Optimus Prime was recolored to become [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Ultra Magnus]], Megatron received a new coat of paint as well: the black and brown color scheme of his ''Micro Change'' progenitor, which had previously been used on the e-HOBBY exclusive "Megatron Black Version".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/UltraMagnus/ultramagnus.htm More information on Masterpiece Ultra Magnus at TFU.info]''

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[[File:MP05 megatron.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|You will pay dearly for this. Literally and metaphorically...]]
*'''Megatron''' ([[March 29]], 2007)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-5'''
**''Accessories:'' Fusion cannon, energon mace, energy dagger, laser pistol, [[Kremzeek]] figure
{{toydesigner|[[Hisashi Yuki]] (TakaraTomy)}}

: Scaled to the same height as ''20th Anniversary'' Optimus Prime and designed in only twelve days by [[Hisashi Yuki]],<ref name="mpmegsdev">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-masterpiece-47/takaratomy-staff-interview-hisashi-yuki-on-masterpiece-180888/ TakaraTomy Staff Interview - Hisashi Yuki on Masterpiece]: - I hear the first Masterpiece figure you created was MP-5 Megatron and you hold the fastest development record with it.
[Yuki]: That is right. (*laughs) I was not assigned to be in charge of it initially, but due to the circumstance within the company I was unexpectedly handed down the project. The schedule came with it and I was stunned when I realised that I was only given 12 days, about 2 weeks...To make it worse, at the time of my receiving the task, even the product size wasn't decided. (*tears)</ref> ''Masterpiece'' Megatron is an incredibly complex figure—potentially one of, if not ''the'', most complicated ''Transformers'' toys to date—designed to depict a fairly [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] Megatron capable of transforming into a realistic (if oversized) Walther P-38. In achieving this seemingly impossible goal, Megatron winds up with the least articulation of the ''Masterpiece'' line, as well as a notably low percentage of die-cast metal.

: Like Prime before him, Megatron comes with several of his iconic accessories from the Generation 1 cartoon: his energon mace from "More than Meets the Eye, Part 2", the energy dagger and laser pistol used in his duel against Prime in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', and a tiny translucent [[Kremzeek#Masterpiece|Kremzeek]] figure. His fusion cannon also contains a powerful red LED activated when the round detailing on the side of his cannon is pressed. Unfortunately, Megatron lacks the extended-stock and silencer parts to complete his gun mode, leaving him as a standard pistol aside from the mounted-scope made from his Fusion Cannon.

: Due to concern surrounding updated realistic toy gun laws, some online importers modified ''Masterpiece'' Megatron in order to safely get the toy through United States customs. This customarily involved inserting plugs into the tip of the toy's barrel, from rounded red ones affixed by adhesive to [[:File:HLJplug.jpg|flat-tipped yellow ones]] that could be easily removed. Ultimately, there were no reports of problems with the toy making its way into America, but Australia was another matter. Considered a replica gun and therefore a "restricted import" by Australian Customs, both mass shipments and individual packages of the toy were seized, requiring buyers in some areas to obtain a special permit to own him.

: Given the relatively thin clips throughout the toy to hold it tightly together in gun mode, Megatron's plastic components are particularly prone to breakage, especially on the clips on the upper black grip plates and some of the silver sections near the trigger. Many owners of this figure have also reported rust and tarnish problems on what few metal pieces he has; if your Megatron is a sufferer, check out [http://seibertron.com/energonpub/viewtopic.php?t=16106 this guide] for solutions.

:The mace's chain was was reused 16 years later for [[Hasbro Pulse#HasLab|HasLab]] [[Deathsaurus (G1)#Legacy|Decepticon Deathsaurus]].<ref>[https://youtu.be/bGfJQ62ImYc?t=1765] EP1 test shot walkthrough with [[Evan Brooks]]</ref>

::*''[http://tfu.info/2007/Destron/MPMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Masterpiece Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:MPtoy eldedroid megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|... Don't suppose these are [[Megaplex#Collector's Edition|Megaplex]]es now, are they?]]
*'''Convoy Black Ver.''' ([[November 21]], 2009)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-1B'''
**''Accessories'': Scope, silencer, stock

:The version of Megatron included with this black redeco of Prime—representing a mass-produced [[Eldedroid]]—was much the same as the original accessory, but with dark metallic silver paint.

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[[File:MPtoy sleep mode megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Now even ''more'' breakable!]]
*'''Convoy Sleep Mode''' (June 2010)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-4S'''
**''Accessories'': Scope, silencer, stock

:Just as [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#sleepmode|this release]] of Optimus Prime was recolored in the faded black and grey hues of he took on with his death in ''The Transformers: The Movie'', so too did his Megatron accessory get a movie-themed makeover: this Megatron is cast entirely in translucent purple plastics, evoking the scene of his transformation into Galvatron from the film, in which he is first reduced to a transparent purple wireframe model.

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[[File:TRU Masterpiece Soundwave-MegatronGun.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Soundwave''' ([[January 26]], [[2013]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-13'''
**''Accessories'': Scope, silencer, stock

:A [[repaint]] and [[retool]] of the Megatron gun originally included with MP-01 and his redecos, the '''Megatron gun''' included with [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Masterpiece 2|MP-13 Soundwave]] has been retooled in response to the breakage issues the original version suffered from. Both the sliding butt-end of the handle and the stock have been molded in hard plastic instead of the soft rubbery vinyl of the MP-01 version. A joint has been added to the stock connection point on the handle; for the joint in the stock itself, a straight pin has replaced the original rivet-style pin the softer plastic required. The stock itself no longer emulates the transforming accessory from the G1 toy, and instead features a smaller cylindrical shaft that more closely resembles the original U.N.C.L.E Special. In terms of deco, the minute red paint application on the scope is omitted.

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*'''Soundwave''' (2013)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-02'''
**'''09 OF 30'''
**''Accessories'': Scope, silencer, stock

:The [[Hasbro]] version of ''Masterpiece'' [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#HasbroMasterpiece|Soundwave]] also comes with the Megatron gun. It is seemingly unchanged.

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[[File:Megatron mp-13b.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Now in cherry flavor.]]
*'''Soundblaster''' ([[February 22]], [[2014]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-13B'''
**''Accessories'': Scope, silencer, stock

:A [[repaint]] and [[retool]] of the Megatron gun originally included with MP-01 and his redecos, the '''Megatron gun''' included with [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#MP13B|MP-13B Soundblaster]] features the same retooling as the version released with MP-13 Soundwave, although this time the pieces are cast in translucent red plastic. The only paint application is a silver Decepticon symbol.

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[[File:MasterpieceGoldMegs.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Does not come studded with Swarovski Elements]]
*'''Megatron Gold Ver.''' (December 2014)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-5G'''
**''Accessories:'' Fusion cannon, energon mace, energy dagger, laser pistol, [[Kremzeek]] figure, [[Reflector (G1)#MP5G|Reflector]] figure

: A gold redeco of the original MP-5 mold, Megatron Gold Version is a Hasbro Asia release under the TakaraTomy label (making it the first TakaraTomy Masterpiece to not be released, thus far, in Japan). It comes with all the same accessories as the original release as well as a new, non-transforming Reflector in camera mode.

: This toy was used as "[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Generations Selects Special Comic (1)|Gold Megatron]]," Megatron's super-iest duper-iest [[Super Mode|super mode]] in the ''[[Generations Selects Special Comic]]''.

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*'''Skywarp''' (January [[2015]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-11SW'''
**''Accessories'': Scope, silencer, stock

:The Asia only MP-11 version of [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#MP11SW|Skywarp]] comes with the original MP-1 version of the Megatron gun.

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*'''Destron Laserwave''' ([[March 26]], [[2016]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-29'''
**''Accessories'': Left and right fists, translucent right fist, gun barrel (opaque and translucent), saluting right hand (opaque and translucent), "Laser Vulcan", stand, die-cast Megatron Gun accessory (Asia reissue)

:When reissued by Hasbro Asia in 2016, ''Masterpiece'' [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Laserwave]] included a non-transforming diecast Megatron gun accessory which could be held by Laserwave. The accessory is similar, but not identical, to the Megatron gun included with MP-01/MP-13. Of particular note, the very detailed single-piece accessory is sculpted with the barrel extension and scope, but not the stock, and features the loop/swirl pattern found on the original toy's robot mode chest.

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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-36-Megatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|US/Australia import ban awaiting to happen.]]
*'''Megatron''' ([[April 1]], [[2017]]/[[January 27]], [[2018]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-36'''
**''Accessories'': Fusion cannon/scope, stock, silencer, energon mace, jointed chain for mace, angry face, smiling face, neutral face, damaged face, chestplate, damaged chestplate, clone control helmet, energy dagger, laser pistol, [[Key to Vector Sigma#MP36|Key to Vector Sigma]]
{{toydesigner|[[Yuki Ohshima]] (concept artist)}}

:The second ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' version of Megatron transforms from a more accurate-looking and well-articulated robot mode into a more realistically-sized gun; those extra design goals make this figure's transformation even more challenging than the 2007 figure (and, really, anything else). He comes with the stock and silencer parts for the gun that the MP-5 mold was missing, which can be combined to create both the "telescopic laser cannon" and "particle beam cannon" arrays the pieces were capable of forming on the Generation 1 toy; the stock also transforms into a "flight stand" that can support the figure in mid-air. In addition to his "regular" face, Megatron has alternate angry and smiling faces, plus a fourth, damaged face that, together with an alternate damaged chestplate, replicates his injuries from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. When his face is removed, it exposes a detailed recreation of the interior of his head as it was shown during the "x-ray" sequence in the film, when he was reformatted into Galvatron.

:Like the previous ''Masterpiece'' figure, Megatron comes with the pistol and energy dagger used during his battle with Prime in the movie, and his energon mace from "More than Meets the Eye, Part 2," which this time comes with a jointed plastic chain that allows the weapon to be posed dynamically, in addition to a regular, "real" chain. Finally, he also comes with a diecast Key to Vector Sigma from the [[The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1|two]]-[[The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2|part]] Generation 1 cartoon episode of the same name, and the clone control helmet he wore in "[[A Prime Problem]]."

:Unfortunately, this figure is prone to paint damage on areas that scrape together during transformation. Significant care must be taken when covering the robot face with the chestplate (or you can just take the face off beforehand as a precaution). It is apparently impossible to attach the silencer without scraping some paint off the gun barrel, not helped by the fact of some copies having the silencer stuck due to the inner plastic piece meant to slide inside the gun barrel being too thick.

:Megatron holds the distinction of being the first ''Masterpiece'' figure with a soundbox, activated by pressing a button on the fusion cannon, with a red switch to give a selection. The three positions of the cannon's sliding switch now denote a singular laser noise, the transformation sound effect (played forwards and backwards), and five speech clips by his Japanese voice actor, [[Seizō Katō]]: "Wa-ha-ha-ha, kono orokamono-me!" (Bwah ha ha ha! You fools!), "Eei, Cybertron o hineri-tsubuse!" (Hrr--crush the Autobots!), "Kono yaku-tatazu mono ga!" (You're all useless!), "Eei, hakai shite kureru wa!" (Grrah, I'll destroy you!), and "Destron gundan, transform!" (Decepticon army, transform!). Due to Katō's death three years prior, Megatron's clips were reused from the 2005 reissue Galvatron.

:When purchased in some non-Japanese online stores like [[BigBadToyStore]], Megatron comes with an orange plug.
{{note|DAMMIT!}}

:On the other hand, Megatron also comes with a [[collector coin]], if bought in Asian countries outside of Japan.

:This figure was reissued by TakaraTomy on [[January 27]], [[2018]].

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[[File:Masterpiece-MP-36+Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66| I have fewer accessories than the other one while being more nostalgic, I'm just as difficult to transform, but your money is in your hands right now, oh whatever shall you do?]]
*'''Megatron''' ([[December 29]], [[2018]])
**''ID number'': '''MP-36+'''
**''Accessories'': Fusion cannon/scope, stock, silencer, toy-accurate face, neutral face, angry face, smiling face, chestplate, cartoon-accurate chestplate

:A redeco of MP-36, this Megatron replicates his [[#Generation 1|Generation 1 toy's appearance]], complete with vacuum-metalized parts and several stickers. Subsequently, most of the original MP-36 accessories are omitted, such as the Key to Vector Sigma, Clone Control Helmet, and the 1986 movie accessories. However, it maintains all face plates based from the MP-36 mold, but with yellow eyes, and suitable for either figure, as well as adding a shiny chromed version of the cartoon-accurate chest plate, for those who prefer to interpret the Megatron's coloring in the cartoon as silver rather than gray.

:In aid of the "toy-accurate" theme, Megatron's gun barrel is now nominally positioned next to his right hip rather than on his back; this required no retooling as it can also be achieved with the regular MP-36. Among the toy-accurate deco enhancements is the addition of Decepticon logos onto the handle of the gun mode. Due to the transformation pattern, these logos end up [[Wikipedia:tramp stamp|amusingly placed]] on his butt.

:When purchased from a seller supplied by Hasbro Asia, MP-36+ comes with a collector coin. The coin and the card it's mounted on appear almost identical to the one included with the original version, except for a "+" added on the reverse side of the coin, and the "2018" date stamp on the back of the card.

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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-52-Starscream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Starscream Ver. 2.0''' ([[June 26]], [[2021]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-52'''

:The all-new-for-2021 ''Masterpiece'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#MP52|Starscream]] includes his own Megatron gun mode accessory, produced without a removable scope or stock. Megatron can peg underneath Starscream's fuselage in his vehicle mode, or his handle can extend for Starscream to wield him in robot mode.

:Despite a history of many ''Masterpiece'' Starscreams and many gun mode Megatron accessories, this is the first time that a ''Masterpiece'' Starscream has actually ''included'' a Megatron!

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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-52-Skywarp.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Skywarp Ver. 2.0''' ([[December 25]], [[2021]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-52+'''

:MP-52 Starscream's redeco [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#MP52|Skywarp]] also includes the same Megatron accessory, now painted in a slightly darker grey.
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==''Titanium Series''==
[[File:TitaniumGIJoeHeroesMegatron toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|THE BOX OF DOOM.]]
*'''Megatron''' (6" Cybertron Heroes, 2006)
**''Accessories'': Stand with nameplate
{{toydesigner|[[Don Figueroa]] (concept artist)}}

:Part of the very first wave of six-inch ''[[Titanium Series]]'' toys, Megatron was inspired by [[Dreamwave Productions]]' first ''[[Transformers/G.I. Joe]]'' comic book series, set in an alternate-reality World War II. Since the gun mode Megatron sported in that story was nonviable as a toy, this toy features a newly-designed tank alternate mode of made-up model. The backstory of the Megatron from the crossover, including references to Cobra, was retained on the package, make it the first U.S. figure ever produced as part of a ''G.I. Joe / [[Transformers brand|Transformers]]'' crossover.

:The toy suffers from a number of unusual shortcomings, and proved a rather hefty [[shelfwarmer]]. Notably, due to a large number of [[design flaw]]s, it is known to fall apart very easily, with the crotch coming undone with minimal force and the arms and legs often popping off over the course of basic transformation or even movement. In particular, the lower body is attached to the torso by very thin open clips, unsuited for holding up the weight of entirely [[die-cast]] legs, and the lower arms, which need to be pulled out, are extremely liable to disconnect from their balljoints rather than extending properly. Many of the joints are also extremely loose, owing to both poor construction and the excessive weight of the limbs.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/TitMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Titanium Megatron at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://www.yojoe.com/archive/actfig/tmegs/ Packaging images and text at YoJoe.com]''

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[[File:Megatrontitaniumtww.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|THE... NAP OF DOOM?]]
*'''War Within Megatron''' (6" Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
**''Accessories'': Arm cannon, shield, stand with nameplate
{{toydesigner|[[Don Figueroa]] (concept artist)}}

:The second ''Titanium Series'' Megatron is based on his [[Transformers: The War Within|''War Within'']] design and was initially shown at [[BotCon 2006]], and was released in spring of 2007. Like the original comic book design, his robot mode has a removable arm cannon and shield. In contrast to his previous ''Titanium'' toy, this Megatron has a more posable robot mode, but a fairly unimpressive alternate mode with a transformation that consists of little more than lying the toy on its back and attaching the gun/shield. There is a small clip on the back of the toy which designer [[Don Figueroa]] said was to hold his sword, seen in the comic book, but that accessory was ultimately not produced.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2007/Decepticon/TitTWWMegatron/megatron.htm More information on War Within Megatron at TFU.info]''
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[[File:Titanium war within 2pack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|NAP OF DOOM ''IN'' A BOX.]]
*'''War Within Optimus Prime vs. War Within Megatron''' (Two-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories'': Arm cannon, shield
{{toydesigner|[[Don Figueroa]] (concept artist)}}

:This [[Toys"R"Us]] [[exclusive]] ''Titanium'' two-pack includes the previously-released ''War Within'' Megatron and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Titanium|Optimus Prime]] figures along with a copy of [[The War Within issue 5|''The War Within'' #5]] with an exclusive variant cover. Despite being mentioned in the joint [[instructions]] leaflet for the set, the display bases which came with the individual releases of the figures are not included.

:As the mass retail release of the last waves of the ''Titanium'' "Cybertron Heroes" figures was delayed for several months, this two-pack release Megatron was initially more widely available than the individually-sold one. The pack itself was available in two variations: One version has the Optimus Prime figure more or less identical to its individual release, whereas the other one drops the additional black paint weathering, making him much cleaner-looking.
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==''Classics''==
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[[File:Megatronclassicstoy.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|Foam Darts Sold Separately]]
*'''Megatron''' (Voyager Class, 2006)
{{toydesigner|[[Eric Siebenaler]] (Hasbro), [[Takio Ejima]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:After years of tanks and jets, ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' Megatron finally found a way to take Megatron back to his root as a transforming gun, complete with a working crosshairs in his scope and a spring-loaded clicking trigger. Described on-package as a "fusion blaster", Megatron's gun mode is apparently based on a [[:File:N-strike maverick.jpg|Nerf N-Strike Maverick blaster]], and decked out in a [[for safety reasons|safety-regulation-friendly]] color scheme consisting of lots of green and purple (in an apparent homage to his old ''Generation 2'' colors), plus bright orange on both the tip of the barrel and the scope. Years later, it would be discovered that, for currently unknown reasons, the bright color of this orange plastic would fade over time, even if not directly exposed to sunlight.

:Early [[stock photography|official Hasbro photographs]], including those appearing on the toy's [[packaging]], show the gun mode's trigger and other small parts as being orange, those parts were gray in later stock photography and the final release. They also depict Megatron with noticeably different "eyebrow" [[paint operation]]s that matched those of the original Megatron toy, consisting of two small black triangles on his gray plastic forehead. The finished toy inverts this, painting most of his forehead black and leaving the triangles unpainted grey.

:In a glaring example of poor [[quality control]], the back of the packaging reads "working scope becomes anti-proton pulse ''[[canon]]''!"<ref name="canon">[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/classics/megatron/928/2/20/ ''Classics'' Megatron's packaging misspells "cannon" as "canon".]</ref>

:''Classics'' Megatron was redecoed in Japan [[#Henkei! Henkei!|as part of]] the ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]] Transformers'' line by [[TakaraTomy]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/ClassicsMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Classics Voyager Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Classicstoy ultimate battle megatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Former moonwalker extraordinaire.]]
*'''Optimus Prime vs Megatron: The Ultimate Battle''' (Deluxe Class versus set, 2006)
**''Accessories'': Rifle
{{toydesigner|[[Eric Siebenaler]] (Hasbro), [[Takio Ejima]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Joe Kyde]] (deco artist)}}

: "Ultimate Battle" Megatron evokes his ''Generation 2'' form as a green tank. Like his pack-in partner, who has a spinning "power punch" action, Megatron features a similar "spinning dervish action" gimmick, his right arm ending not in a fist but a bladed polearm which whirls around with the press of a button at his shoulder. At best, it looks silly, but at worst, it comes off easily. He comes with a small rifle with a rather pointless flip-out stock extension. The very tip of his cannon is a detachable piece, and can become lost ''very'' easily.

: Megatron is [[misassembly|misassembled]] in-package, with his feet swapped and attached backwards. Although not immediately noticeable due to the fact that [[:File:MegatronUltimateBattle.jpg|promotional]] and box-art photography also show this misassembly, any attempt to transform Megatron into tank mode immediately demonstrates the mistake, which is easily corrected by unscrewing his lower legs, reversing the foot pieces, and attaching each to the opposite leg (as has been done in the picture at right).

:In the United States, Megatron was only available in a special two-pack with a similarly unique ''Classics'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#UltimateBattle|Optimus Prime toy]], and the specially-produced "[[Optimus Prime vs Megatron: The Ultimate Battle|The Ultimate Battle]]" DVD (which is, inappropriately enough, entirely about the [[Unicron Trilogy]]). The two-pack (including the DVD) was also available as a [[Walmart]] [[exclusive]] "Bonus Value" version with two randomly selected members of the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Giant Planet Mini-Con Team]], in the combinations [[Overcast (Cybertron)|Overcast]]/[[Longarm (Cybertron)|Longarm]], Overcast/[[Deepdive (Cybertron)|Deepdive]] and Deepdive/Longarm. International markets, including European countries, saw the two-pack in a considerably smaller, differently-shaped box that was lacking the DVD case (in the [[United Kingdom]] and the Netherlands, the DVD just came in a paper sleeve; in other European countries, it was instead made available separately). In addition, the two figures were also sold on [[#cardedultbattle|individual cardbacks]] in some countries (see below). For the United States market, the two-pack was [[rebranding|rebranded]] and [[#universeultbattle|re-released]] in the [[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|''Universe'']] line in 2007, and [[#2010ultimatebattle|again in 2011]] for the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'']] line.

:Not initially released in Japan, this sculpt only got a TakaraTomy release six years later when it was redecoed into "[[#UnitedTank|Tank Megatron]]" for TakaraTomy's ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' toyline.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/ClassicsDVDMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Classics Deluxe Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Classicstoy ultimate battle megatron carded.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb]]
*'''Megatron''' (Deluxe Class, 2007)
**''Accessories'': Rifle

:The "Ultimate Battle" version of Megatron was also sold on his own in several countries, Mexico, Singapore, and some European countries including the [[United Kingdom]], the Netherlands, Hungary and also Russia. He is identical to the two-pack version, down to his misassembled feet.
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==''Universe'' (2003)==
{{anchor|universeultbattle}}[[File:Universetoy ultimate battle.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Optimus Prime vs Megatron: The Ultimate Battle''' (Multi-pack, 2007/2008)
**''Accessories:'' Rifle

:The "Ultimate Battle" two-pack, sans DVD, was [[rebranding|rebranded]] for inclusion in the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' toy line, and one was one of the last releases to come out of the line, several years after it had ceased regularly releasing figures. The set appeared in liquidation outlets like Big Lots! and Dollar General stores in Fall 2007, then later in [[KB Toys]] in Summer 2008. The figures remain identical to their previous releases, with Megatron's feet still coming assembled backwards.
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==''Sports Label''==
[[File:Nikeatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Some idiots thought I was going to be life-sized! Fools! Foooools!!!]]
*'''Megatron featuring Nike Free 7.0''' (2007)
**''ID number:'' '''02'''
**''Accessories:'' two-part gun
{{toydesigner|[[Hironori Kobayashi]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:''[[Transformers Sports Label|Sports Label]]'' Megatron is a retool of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Sports Label|''Sports Label'' Convoy]], one of the strangest examples of licensed ''Transformers'' products in that he transforms into a ''shoe''. Something of a [[shellformer]], this baffling incarnation of Megatron is primarily black and silver in his alternate mode as a realistic-looking (if notably undersized) Nike Free 7.0 sneaker, complete with gratuitously long real fabric shoelaces (characterized as "electrical discharge cables" in his bio). In robot mode, he sports some additional red paint applications and a somewhat uniquely-shaped yet instantly recognizable Generation 1-inspired head. Also in this mode, Megatron's feet are sculpted in the likeness of his own sneaker mode, making it seem like he's wearing himself!

:His gun splits into two halves and stores inside his [[kibble]] in shoe mode. It can be held in his hands or mounted on his forearm in traditional Megatron fashion. In an undocumented feature, it has two handle pegs on opposite sides, so that it can be held either at its far end or halfway along its length. The gun halves can also be plugged together in two different ways.

:This mold might have been planned for a redeco into [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Sports Label|''Sports Label'' Starscream]], but that's a bit vague.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2007/Destron/SLMegatron/megatron.htm More information on ''Sports Label'' Megatron at TFU.info]''
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==''Encore''==
[[File:Encoretoy megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Megatron''' (2007)
**''ID number:'' '''02'''
**''Accessories'': Silencer, stock, telescopic sight/fusion cannon, "high-density infrared laser cannon", sword, 20 bullets

:The original Generation 1 Megatron figure was reissued yet again in 2007 as part of TakaraTomy's new line of ''[[Transformers Encore|Encore]]'' reissues. Like previous reissues, this Megatron features the Hasbro colors and the accessories from both Hasbro and Takara editions of the figure, with the distinguishing new feature of a tan shade to both his gray plastic and his chrome.
{{G1MegatronMold}}
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==''Henkei! Henkei!''==
[[File:Henkeitoy megatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Megatron's palette must be swapped... no matter the cost."]]
*'''Megatron''' ([[March 13]], [[2008]])
**''ID number:'' '''D-01'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hisashi Yuki]] (deco artist)}}

:''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]] Transformers'' Megatron is a redeco of the ''Classics'' Voyager Class mold. Not bound by the safety regulations that necessitated ''Classics'' Megatron's more colorful appearance, ''Henkei'' Megatron features a significantly different color scheme of black, silver and red designed to make him resemble his original Generation 1 appearance, including translucent red plastic to replicate his classic cartoon "Decepticon red" eyes. All ''Henkei'' toys feature (somewhat randomly-applied) vacuum-metalized chrome parts; in Megatron's case, his chest plate and kneecaps are chromed silver.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/ClassicsMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Henkei Megatron at TFU.info]''
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==''Universe'' (2008)==
{{anchor|2008legend}}[[File:Megatronlegend2008.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|His shoulders hurt too, buddy!]]
*'''Megatron''' (Legends of Cybertron, 2008)
**''Series'': '''Classic Series'''
{{toydesigner|[[Bill Rawley]] (Hasbro)}}

:A [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] version of Megatron inspired by [[#Generation 2|his ''Generation 2'' tank design]], although featuring a more realistic shade of green.

:Sadly, because of his transformation, when transformed into tank mode his turret doesn't turn around. Some of Legends Class Megatron's transformation shares several similarities to his Generation 2 toy.

:Although his first stock photography features a slightly long turret, the final product had it shortened.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/LegendsMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Universe Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Universe2008-toy SEMegatron.JPG|upright=1.66|thumb|"Psst, my cannon shoots Nerf darts."]]
*'''Megatron''' (Deluxe Class: Special Edition, 2008)
**''ID number:'' '''SE-02'''
**''Accessories:'' Rifle
{{toydesigner|[[Joe Kyde]] (deco artist)|[[Marcelo Matere]] (packaging artist)}}

:This "Special Edition" of Megatron is a redeco of the "Ultimate Battle" Megatron from ''Classics'', this time featuring a Generation 1-inspired deco of grays, red and black. This new deco takes advantage of the toy's mould break-up to add a fifth plastic colour (where the original only had four), dividing the parts which were dark grey on the original version between light grey, red and black plastic. Also marking this figure as a particularly "special" edition is the fact that it's the first release of the figure to assemble his feet the correct way around. Amusingly, his [[packaging]] [[stock photography]] depicts him as ''missing a part'': his cannon's detachable tip is missing, and the tip of the cannon's stub is painted red to somehow compensate for that.

:Like all the figures in the small Special Edition line, Megatron was designed for Australasian markets and features a bookbox style packaging with black-and-white boxart, retailing at about 150% of the price for a normal deluxe outside of the United States. He was not available at retail in North America, but was for sale on Hasbrotoyshop.com, like the other Special Edition toys. Years later, Hasbro liquidated excess stock of the special edition figures through Marshall's stores and were sold for a fraction of the original prices.

:Oddly enough, this Megatron and the three other Universe Special Edition toys were included in Taiwanese special value packs each containing a [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)/home video|''Revenge of the Fallen'' DVD]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/HTSMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Special Edition Megatron at TFU.info]''
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==''Alternity''==
[[File:Alternity Megatron Toy Blade Silver.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Behold, my Inertia Manipulating Device under my Skirt Armor!!!]]
*'''Megatron [Blade Silver]''' (2009)
**''ID number:'' '''A-02'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 "tesseractal swords"
{{toydesigner|[[Hironori Kobayashi]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] (concept artist)}}
:The ''[[Transformers: Alternity|Alternity]]'' Megatron toy transforms into a 1:32 scale model of a Nissan 370Z and features die-cast metal parts and rubber tires. The figure wields two "tesseractal swords" which can be pegged at its hips, or stored under the car in vehicle mode. Each forearm features a flip-out "gravital blade."

: In the hyper-dimensional world of the oft-confusing ''Alternity'' fiction, each figure from this line represents a distinct version of a character from a separate [[universal stream]], but which precise Megatron the "Blade Silver" toy embodies has not been disclosed. Upon its initial release, this toy was also available in blue (see below), and later redecoed in a black variant as well. It was later redecoed into ''Alternity'' [[Galvatron (G1)/toys#Alternity|Galvatron]].

:[[:File:Alternity Megatron Cannon.jpg|Early concepts]] for ''Alternity'' showed him with the trademark fusion cannon rather than his twin swords, as well as a pronounced Decepticon [[insignia]] on his chest.

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[[File:Alternitytoy blue megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Megatron [Premium LeMans Blue]''' (2009)
**''ID number:'' '''A-02'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 "tesseractal swords"
{{toydesigner|[[Hironori Kobayashi]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] (concept artist)}}

: "Premium LeMans Blue" Megatron is a blue redeco of the "Blade Silver" version, representing the Megatron of [[universal stream]] [[BT World|Primax 903.0 Beta]]. The figure was available simultaneously with the "Blade Silver" version, sharing the same packaging and pack-in materials, save for the color of the illustration on the front of the box, and a sticker that identified the figure within.

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[[File:Alternitytoy black megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Megatron [Diamond Black]''' (2009)
**''ID number:'' '''A-02'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 "tesseractal swords"
{{toydesigner|[[Hironori Kobayashi]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] (concept artist)}}

: Another redeco of ''Alternity'' Megatron, this time transforming into a black car with robot parts in red and gold, and specifically representing the Megatron of universal stream [[Primax 1286.3 Kappa]]. It was released several months after the first two Megatrons and featured a new package illustration.
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==''United''==
[[File:Unitedtoy cybertron megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Megatron Cybertron Mode''' ([[December 25]], 2010)
**''ID number'': '''UN-04'''
**''Accessories'': Cannon/missile launcher, energy-blast missile

: Part of the first wave of ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' product, "Cybertron Mode" Megatron is a [[redeco]] of the Deluxe Class [[Megatron (WFC)/toys#Generations|''War for Cybertron'' Megatron toy]], transforming into a Cybertronian self-propelled gun. The treads of his vehicle can be positioned in either a vertical configuration like a traditional tank or in a horizontal, [[Popular Cybertronian vehicle alternate modes#Hovertank|hovertank]] configuration. Megatron's spring-loaded cannon can attach to either arm.

:Megatron is cast in a deep dark metallic gray plastic rather than the light gray plastic of the Hasbro version. He also features a blood red metallic paint instead of the more traditional red used on the Hasbro version. Other notable differences include the Decepticon symbol upon his chest as well as lacking paint on the sliding mechanism within his fusion cannon.

:This mold was also used to make [[Darkside Megatron]].

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[[File:United Megatron voyager toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|No, I didn't direct any of the ''Taken'' films!]]
*'''Megatron''' (December 25, 2010)
**''ID number:'' '''UN-09'''

:The second ''United'' Megatron (but still part of the first assortment) is a redeco of the Voyager Class mold from ''[[#Classics|Classics]]''/''[[#Henkei! Henkei!|Henkei!]]''.

:This release of Megatron features an extensive silver paint job, as well as metallic crimson for details. This figure's deco is based on the G1 cartoon model, removing any extraneous painted details from the previous releases. The face and eyebrow crest are painted white, giving it an appearance very similar to the initial solicitations of ''Classics'' Megatron.

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[[File:Unitedtoy thunder megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Megatron rules!" isn't written anywhere on my body, so doesn't that technically make me [[Archforce]]?]]
*'''Tank Megatron''' ([[January 28]], 2012)
**''ID number:'' '''UN-25'''
**''Accessories:'' Rifle

:Tank Megatron is the first Japanese release of the "Ultimate Battle" Deluxe Class Megatron mold from ''Classics'', in a new color scheme paying homage to his [[#Hero|''Generation 2'' "Hero" deco]]. The connection is strengthened by the [[:File:United Megatron Rules.jpg|photo on the back of the packaging]], which depicts Megatron standing in a ruined, burning landscape, surrounded by over a dozen "Megatron Rules" signs.

:Like the 5th and 6th wave figures, Tank Megatron's package feature a sticker that said "limited quantity (数量限定)", indicating that this figure is released in limited numbers after its first and only shipment.

:Like the [[#UniSpecEd|''Universe'' Special Edition figure above]], Tank Megatron features correctly assembled feet. He was originally solicited as "'''Thunder Megatron'''".
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==''Transformers'' (2010)==
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[[File:TF2010-toy Legends Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Safety first!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Megatron''' (Legends Class, 2011)}}</ul>
{{toydesigner|[[Joe Kyde]] (Hasbro)}}

: Part of the first wave of the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' line]]'s "[[Transformers (2010 toyline)#Hasbro Reveal the Shield subline|Reveal the Shield]]" Legends Class toys, this toy is based on Megatron's Generation 1 cartoon appearance (with a little inspiration from [[IDW Publishing|IDW]]'s ''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]'' design around the abdomen), transforming into a variation on Megatron's original gun mode (referred to as a "blaster" on Hasbro's website). As he was part of Reveal the Shield, he has a [[rubsign]] on his chest.

[[File:MP Acid Storm-Chronicle gun Megatron-Pull My Trigger.jpg|thumb|right|upright=0.85|To hell with safety!]]
: In a fit of complete awesomeness, the figure is sculpted with notches in its handle that specifically allow the ''Masterpiece'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Starscream]] mold to grip it. Additionally, the slightly thicker portion of the barrel closer to the main body can be held by the clip included with ''Masterpiece'' Starscream and attach to his jet mode. Unfortunately, Megatron can only be held vertically.

: Despite his tiny size, Hasbro had to cast much of the gun (his arms, the barrel/fusion cannon, and the upper half of his torso) in orange plastic [[for safety reasons]] (not helped by the fact that [https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-tiniest-cutest-guns-that-shoot-real-bullets-1683682859 functional small guns do exist]). Official Hasbro [[stock photography|stock photos]] and early [[prototype|samples]] from China had the orange plastic on the barrel fully painted over in gray, yet the final toy leaves the end of the barrel unpainted.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2011/Decepticon/RTSMegatron/megatron.htm More information on "Reveal the Shield" Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:TF2010toy ultimate battle.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''The Ultimate Battle''' (Multi-pack, 2011)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Rifle

: ''Another'' [[rebranding|rebranded]] re-release of the ''Classics'' "[[#UltimateBattle|Ultimate Battle]]" set, again lacking the DVD and featuring [[misassembly|misassembled]] feet on Megatron.

: This particular release of the set was available as a "shared exclusive" between Dollar General stores and online retailer [[BigBadToyStore]]. This set was also available at Canadian Tire stores in [[Canada]].

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<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Megatron''' (Legends Class, 2012)}}</ul>

: A [[rebranding|rebranded]] version of ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Legends Class Megatron ]]without changes (besides the packaging) was released as a "Dollar Store" exclusive (available at stores such as Dollar General and Big Lots) in generic 2010 ''Transformers'' packaging packaging alongside [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Optimus Prime]], [[Starscream (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Starscream]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Bumblebee]].

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==''Kre-O''==
[[File:KreO Megatron.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66]]
* '''Megatron''' (2011)
**''Set number'': '''30688'''
**''Pieces'': '''310'''
**''Kreons'': Megatron, [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Shockwave]], [[Specialist]], [[Police Officer]]
**''Accessories'': Clip-on Megatron cannon

: While the large brick-built Megatron in this ''[[Kre-O]]'' set is based on the [[Megatron (Movie)|live-action film Megatron]] in his ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'' body, the accompanying Megatron [[Kreon]] is very much a Generation 1 Megatron, at least from the neck down. The helmet is definitely a "cleaner" take on the movie-style helmet, but those [[tampograph]]s are a simplified version of the [[#Generation 1|original Megatron toy]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Decepticon/Kre-OMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:KreO-Toy MegatronCustomKreon.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|Gwilled, gwilled, gwilled, gwilled cheese, if you pwease.]]
*'''Megatron''' (Custom Kreon, 2013)
**''Set number'': '''A6088'''
**''Pieces'': '''36'''
**''Accessories'': Rack, clip-on Megatron cannon, bazooka, Cobra Commander pistol, wing-pack, claw attachment, double-bladed staff

: Part of the first assortment of "Custom Kreons", this version of Megatron comes with a buildable parts rack on which to hang/store his many many extra pieces. His [[tampograph]]s are much more heavily-detailed than the original Kreon, and his plastics have a slight metal-flake sheen. His "normal" helmet and arm cannon are [[Vacuum metallizing|chromed]], plus he comes with an extra clear-plastic helmet, torso and legs. He also has a pair of extra arms and a wing-pack (originally from the ''Kre-O Battleship'' aliens), plus a buildable bazooka, a small pistol (originally [[Cobra Commander]]'s from the ''Kre-O [[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'' series), a claw-attachment for his wrists, and a double-headed staff weapon.

: The cross-sell advertisement from the back of the packaging features a bizarre error: [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Custom|Soundwave]] and [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Custom|Starscream]] are mislabeled. Soundwave is labeled as Starscream, while Starscream is labeled as Megatron.

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[[File:KreO-Toy MegatronC84.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Of course we take class pics on a bad helm day.]]
*'''Kreon Class of 1984''' (Kreon figure set, 2014)
**''Set number'': '''B0090'''
**''Voted'': Best Frenemies (With Starscream)
**''Accessories'': Clip-on Megatron cannon

: The [[Kreon Class of 1984]] version of Megatron is ''even more'' toy-based [[tampograph]]s than his prior versions, including his face detailing. Yes, it's a whole new tampograph layout. He's also mostly in metallic silver plastic, yet his helmet remains light flat gray.

:He was only available in a pack of 30 Kreons dubbed the "Kreon Class of 1984". This set was made for sale at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2014. Remaining stock was to be sold at [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] online, only there ''was'' no remaining stock after the show.

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*'''Brick Box''' (2015)
**''Set number'': '''B2961'''
**''Pieces'': '''88'''
**''Accessories'': Megatron clip-on cannon

: Sold only at discount chains like Family Dollar, this version of Megatron uses the new 2015 style of Kreon hips and torso, with a hollow hip-peg and a central post inside the torso for increased grip... which also makes them incompatible with about four years' worth of Kreons. He also features entirely new face and chest tampographs. So version number four of the same base design.

: The set comes with two bags of Kre-O parts, one coming from the [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Kre-O|first-year Starscream kit]] (mostly all the small bits and landing gear), the other "new" with some basic bricks and plates. The set has no instructions, as it's just a box of bricks to make whatever with.

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[[File:Kre-O-Battle-Changers-2-pack-Megatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Optimus Prime VS Megatron''' (Battle Changers 2-pack, 2015)
**''Set Number'': '''???'''
**''Pieces'': ''198''

:Available in a two pack set with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#BattleChangers2pack|Battle Changers Optimus Prime]], this Megatron is an entirely a new buildable toy, transforming from robot to tank without removing any parts. Megatron also features battle damage on his Kreon chest.

:All of the 2015 ''Transformers Kre-O'' product was skipped by retailers in the US (at first), seeing release in Canada, Australia and various Asian markets. In late 2015, much of the line was finally released at discount in the US through TJ Maxx and Marshalls stores, including this set.
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==''G.I. Joe and the Transformers''==
[[File:JoevsTF megatron accessory.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|That's nice, but where's the [[Joey Slick]] figure?]]
*'''Starscream Sky Striker (XP-21F) with Cobra Commander''' (2011)

: Produced exclusively for [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2011, this redeco of the ''G.I. Joe'' [[Skystriker (vehicle)|Sky Striker]] jet plane [[Starscream (G1)/merchandise#G.I. Joe and the Transformers|into Starscream colors]] comes with a 3.75" [[Cobra Commander#G.I. Joe and the Transformers 2|Cobra Commander]] pilot figure, among whose accessories is a non-transforming gun mode Megatron.

::*''[https://www.yojoe.com/action/11/cobracommander47.shtml More information on Cobra Commander (v47) (with Megatron) at YoJoe.com]''

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[[File:Ninja Force Megatron toy.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|"What'sss thisss? A Megatron for antsssssssss????"]]
*''' G.I. Joe featuring Ninja Force and Transformers''' (2017)
:A redeco of the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#GenerationsLegends|Legends Class Megatron]] in G2 colors was included in a crossover set sold by [[Fun Publications]]. The toy is translucent to represent a 3D hologram of Megatron's design schematics, thus giving a reason for why it is so small in relation to the other figures in the set. Also included is a redeco of the above gun mode Megatron accessory.

:Also in the box set were [[Ratbat (G1)/toys#G.I. Joe and the Transformers|Ratbat]], the ''Joe'' figures [[Scarlett#NinjaForce|Ninja Force: Scarlett]], [[Sidney Biggles-Jones#G.I. Joe and the Transformers|Dr. Sidney Biggles-Jones]], and [[Cobra Commander#FubPub|Cobra Commander]], a figurine of [[Blackcat (G1)#G.I. Joe and the Transformers|Autobot Black Cat]], and accessories of [[Toaster#G.I. Joe and the Transformers|Autobot Toaster]] and three [[Crusticon#G.I. Joe and the Transformers|Crusticon]]s.

::*''[https://www.yojoe.com/action/17/megatron.shtml More information on Megatron (v1) at YoJoe.com]''
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==''Chronicle''==
[[File:Chronicletoy ez megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Megatron''' (EZ Collection, 2011)

:A redeco of the 2010 ''Transformers'' Legends Class Megatron was released in Japan as part of the ''[[Transformers Chronicle|Chronicle]]'' EZ Collection line. Due to Japan's different gun laws, he is instead cast in gray plastic, with the barrel being fully painted. The gray paint on the aforementioned barrel is also darker and metallic, (instead of Hasbro's glossy light-gray paint) his red [[paint operation]]s are darker, and he replaces the rubsign with a full-color Decepticon symbol [[tampograph]]. This toy was only available [[Blindpacking|blindpacked]].

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[[File:Chronicletoy-CH02G1Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''G1 Megatron & Movie Megatron''' (Multi-pack, 2011)
**''ID number:'' '''CH02'''
**''Accessories:'' Fusion cannon, "high-density infrared laser cannon", sword, 20 bullets

:This reissue of the original Generation 1 Megatron toy comes in a two-pack with a redeco of ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' Voyager Class [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Chronicle|Megatron]]. This version of Megatron is made to the specifications of the 1986 "[[#GoodBye|Goodbye Megatron]]" release, featuring red plastic (as opposed to the original Takara blue) but lacking any silver chrome, including his fusion cannon but not his stock and silencer, armed with his laser cannon and sword, and retaining his bullet-firing mechanism. Like most Megatron reissues, the toy features a slight variation in plastic colors from previous releases, this time giving him a darker warmer gray than normal. In a new twist, this version of Megatron features tampographed symbols on his chest and back.
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[[File:Chronicletoy ez series2 megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|[[Trukk not munky|Gunn not Tank]]!...no wait, tank is cooler.]]
*'''Megatron''' (EZ Collection, 2011)

:A [[redeco]] of the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]] [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] Megatron, this time inspired by his smaller ''Generation 2'' "Hero" tank design.
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==''Generations''==
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==''Bot Shots''==
[[File:Bot Shots S1 BP004 Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Nemesis Prime / Megatron / Acid Storm''' (Multi-pack, 2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''BP004'''
***''Fist strength'': '''170'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''820'''
***''Sword strength'': '''625'''

:Part of the first wave of ''[[Bot Shots (toyline)|Bot Shots]]'' Series 1 three-packs, Megatron is a teeny tank that borrows some elements from both the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' Megatron designs. He has [[Autotransformation|a spring-loaded automatic transformation]] to robot mode triggered when his front is pressed, and has a "spinner" in his chest that shows his three attack types and power levels.

:He comes with [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]] and [[Acid Storm (G1)|Super Bot Acid Storm]]. He shares parts with [[Brawl (Movie)#Bot Shots|Decepticon Brawl]] and [[Shockwave (Movie)#Bot Shots|Shockwave]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Decepticon/BS3pkMegatron/megatron.htm More information on 3-pack Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BStoy-MegatronLauncher.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Megatron Launcher''' (Launcher, 2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''BL002'''
***''Fist strength'': '''530'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''900'''
***''Sword strength'': '''210'''

:Part of the first wave of ''Bot Shots'' Series 1 Launchers, this is a [[redeco]] of the ''Bot Shots'' tank Megatron mold in bronze. He comes with a large "trailer" tank body extension that transforms into a battle station with flip-out cannons and a launching mechanism. The large, main cannon on the launcher has detailing reminiscent of the original [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s [[fusion cannon]], such as the "dials" on the sides.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Decepticon/BSLMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Launcher Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Bot_Shots_Super_Bot_Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Megatron''' (2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''Super Bot 003'''
***''Fist strength'': '''285'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''465'''
***''Sword strength'': '''870'''

:Part of the third wave of ''Bot Shots'' Series 1 single-packs, "Super Bot" Megatron transforms into a semi-truck with trailer, taking inspiration from the ''[[Kre-O]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'' Megatrons. As a Super Bot, he has more lopsided stats (sorta), and was [[Shortpacking|shortpacked]] one per case.

:This mold was redecoed into [[Motormaster (G1)|Motorbreath]]. He shares parts with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Bot Shots|Optimus Prime]] and Nemesis Prime.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Decepticon/BSSBMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Super Bot Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BStoy-BattlefortheMatrix-LauncherMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Battle for the Matrix''' (Multi-pack, 2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''UB003'''
***''Fist strength'': '''875'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''330'''
***''Sword strength'': '''415'''

: This redeco of the tank version of Megatron is cast in a warmer, non-metallic shade of black, with bronze details, a brighter silver face, and brighter red eyes. He comes with a redeco of his launcher, also in black, bronze, and silver.

: The set also comes with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#BotShotBattleForMatrix|Optimus Prime with his launcher]], [[Brawl (Movie)#BotShotBattleForMatrix|Decepticon Brawl]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#BotShotBattleForMatrix|Bumblebee]], and a [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Bot Shots|Matrix]] prize.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Decepticon/BSBFTMMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Battle for the Matrix Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BStoy-CybertruckMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Megatron doesn't ''need'' your puny windshields.]]
*'''Megatron''' (2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''B018'''
***''Fist strength'': '''800'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''520'''
***''Sword strength'': '''300'''

:Part of the fifth wave of ''Bot Shots'' Series 1 single-packs, this Megatron is a redeco of Super Bot Megatron in opaque plastics and with a painted "tanker" trailer section. The online Bot Shots checklist refers to this toy as "Megatron Cybertruck", a name not found on the packaging.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Decepticon/BSB018Megatron/megatron.htm More information on "Cybertruck" Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BotShots Dragon Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|]]
*'''Dragon Track''' (Playset, 2013)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Number'': '''UB002'''
***''Fist strength'': '''480'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''735'''
***''Sword strength'': '''405'''
**''Accessories'': Launcher

:Available only with the Dragon Track set, this version of Megatron is a Flip Shot, changing into a purple jet with animalistic styling on its nose, and featuring a robot mode that's inspired more by ''[[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Prime]]'' Megatron. An impact to the front of the jet will cause Megatron to flip back into robot mode. He comes with a launcher that can be connected to the track, as well as [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#DragonTrack|Flip Shot Optimus Prime and his launcher]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/BSDTMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Dragon Track Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BotShots FireAssault Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"I—I stayed out in the sun too long, okay!?"]]
*'''Decepticon Fire Assault Team''' (Multi-pack, 2013)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Number'': '''T016'''
***''Fist strength'': '''290'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''868'''
***''Sword strength'': '''462'''

:A redeco of the original Megatron mold in red and orange, this version of Megatron was available in a five-pack with similar redecos of [[Shockwave (Movie)#FireAssaultTeam|Shockwave]], [[Starscream (G1)/toys#FireAssaultTeam|Starscream]], [[Barricade (Movie)/toys#FireAssaultTeam|Barricade]], and [[Lockdown (ROTF)#FireAssaultTeam|Lockdown]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/BSDFAMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Fire Assault Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BStoy-SpinShotMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|At least, we think it's a car.]]
*'''Megatron''' (2013)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Number'': '''B008'''
***''Fist strength'': '''725'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''220'''
***''Sword strength'': '''675'''

:Part of the third wave of ''Bot Shots'' Series 2 single-packs, this Megatron transforms into a vaguely-animalistic black-and-silver car with wings, and with a robot mode that's also inspired by ''Prime'' Megatron. As a Spin Shot, one manually winds up his upper body beforehand when transforming him into vehicle mode, where striking the front of the vehicle will cause him to burst open and spin while auto-transforming.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/BSSSMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Spin Shot Megatron at TFU.info]''
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==''BeCool''==
[[File:BeCool TankLorry.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Tank Lorry (Megatron)''' (2013)
**''ID number'': '''B18'''

:''[[Bot Shots (toyline)#BeCool|BeCool]]'' "Tank Lorry" is a redeco of the ''Bot Shots'' truck [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#BotShotSuperBot|Megatron]] mold in orange with metallic silver paint on his head, chest, windshield and tanker section. Instead of game stats, the stickers in his chest spinner feature drawings of his vehicle mode, a gas pump and the {{w|kanji}} for "danger" (危).

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[[File:BotShots_BeCool_HyperTankBaseMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|In Japan, it's Megatron who gets ''[[Brawl (Movie)#BotShotBattleForMatrix|ANGRY]]''.]]
*'''Hyper Tank and Hyper Tank Base (Megatron)''' (2013)
**''ID number'': '''BS04'''

:"Hyper Tank" is a redeco of the tank [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Bot Shots|Megatron]] mold in bright green that comes with the Hyper Tank Base, a dark green and bronze redeco of the Megatron Launcher. His chest stickers now display pictures of the launcher in base mode, Megatron pulling it in trailer mode, and a compass, and he also comes with an additional sticker sheet for decorating the trailer.
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==''EZ Collection Gum''==
[[File:EZC-toy Megatron Gum.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|]]
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*'''Megatron''' (Candy toy, 2012)
**''ID number'': '''4'''
**''Release date'': [[July 30]] 2012

: Part of the ''[[EZ Collection]] Gum'' [[candy toy]] collection made by TakaraTomy A.R.T.S., this Megatron is another redeco of the Universe Legends Class Megatron toy. While the paint application layouts and general color scheme are identical to the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)| Generation 2]]''-inspired [[#Chronicle|''Chronicle'' version]] of the toy, all of his purple plastics are absolutely ''covered'' in metallic purple paint, and his dark gray parts are a glossy-metallic plastic.

: As per the toyline's name, he comes with a yellow candy-shelled piece of lemony-flavored gum.

: His on-package tank mode stock photo is mistransformed: the arms are not folded up to form his tank turret. Whoops.
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==''GT''==
[[File:GT Megatron.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb]]
*'''GT-R Megatron''' ([[July 27]], [[2013]])
**''ID number:'' '''GT-03'''
**''Accessories:'' "EX. Cannon", [[Noa]] race queen figure

: ''[[Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (franchise)|Transformers GT]]'' "GT-R Megatron" is a heavy retool of the ''[[Transformers: Alternity|Alternity]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Alternity|Convoy]] toy, transforming into a 1:32 scale replica of the S Road REITO MOLA GT-R race car used by [http://www.mola-international.co.jp/mola.cgi?field=%E3%83%A2%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9%E3%83%9D%E3%83%BC%E3%83%84%3C%3E%E3%83%81%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0%E4%BD%93%E5%88%B6 MOLA] in the {{w|Super GT}} racing championship series. He features die-cast metal parts, an opening hood, trunk and doors, as well as an interior, complete with his feet and thighs being sculpted to form the back seats. His armaments include flip-out non-firing blasters on his arms as well as a handheld gun called the EX. Cannon, a weapon designed to resemble the fire extinguishers used at races. Like all ''GT'' toys, Megatron also comes with a [[GT Sister]], a poseable human figure themed after a {{w|race queen}}, his partner being a lady named Noa.

: This mold was also used, with different heads and accessories, to make the other ''Transformers GT'' toys: [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#GT|GT-R Prime]], [[Star Saber (G1)#GT|GT-R Saber]], and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)#GT|GT-R Maximus]].
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==''Go!''==
[[File:Transformers-Go-G09-Hunter-Ratchet.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The ultimate apotheosis of Megatron, apparently. Don't tell the [[#Alternity|Alternity]] guys.]]
*'''Hunter Ratchet''' ([[August 31]], 2013)
**''ID number:'' '''G19'''
**''Accessories:'' Drill
{{note|[[Ratchet (WFC)/toys#Go.21|''Go!'' Hunter Ratchet]] was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as the final form of Megatron in "[[Cybertron Magna Convoy]]" and the ''[[Generations Selects Special Comic|Generations Selects]]'' comic.}}

:Part of the fourth wave of TakaraTomy ''[[Triple Combination: Transformers Go! (toyline)|Go!]]'' toys, Hunter Ratchet is a green, black, and translucent-red redeco of the ''Beast Hunters'' Deluxe Class Ratchet toy. Unusually, he's identified as a Decepticon, complete with [[insignia]]! According to a translated version of the bio, Ratchet was captured by the Decepticons, and forcibly exposed to Dark Energon thus mutating him into a Decepticon.

:This toy was previously repurposed as [[Green Megatron]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/HunterRatchet/ratchet.htm More information on Hunter Ratchet at TFU.info]''
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==Nike==
[[File:NikeMegatronRises.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.66|''"Peace through touchdowns."'']]
*'''Calvin Johnson Megatron''' (2013)
**''Accessories'': 2 wings (combine to form fusion cannon), football
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (deco artist)}}

:Calvin Johnson Megatron was available with the purchase of {{w|Nike, Inc.|Nike}}'s CJ81 Megatron Trainer Max, inspired by American football player {{w|Calvin Johnson}}, who is [[Megatron (human)|nicknamed]] after the Decepticon leader. A redeco of his [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#T30Deluxe|''Generations Thrilling 30'' Deluxe Class toy]], Megatron transforms from robot to stealth bomber, with his wings detaching to form a fusion cannon in robot mode. He features Johnson's signature printed on his chest, and also includes an American football accessory redecoed from the one included with Red Dog in the 2011 ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'' "Slaughter's Marauders Battle Set" which Megatron is totally incapable of actually holding, though since the ball has a divot carved in one side it can be neatly pegged onto the two prongs on the ends of his forearms.
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*'''Megatron Rises 3-Pack''' (2013)
**''Accessories'': 2 wings (combine to form fusion cannon), football
:The Calvin Johnson Megatron figure was also available in the "Megatron Rising 3-Pack", which includes three pairs of Megatron-themed shoes: the Nike CJ81 Megatron Trainer Max, the Megatron Nike Air Trainer SC II, and the Nike CJ81 Megatron Elite TD Cleat, the last of which is exclusive to the pack. The pack was limited to 81 pieces, in reference to Johnson's shirt number, and available only from Nike's 21 Mercer Street store in [[New York City]], select Nike Yardline stores, and Nike.com.
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==''Construct-Bots''==
[[File:Megatron Construct-Bots.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Megatron''' (Elite Class, 2013)
{{toydesigner|[[Andrew Scribner]] (deco artist)}}

: [[Construct-Bots]] Megatron transforms into a wheeled tank-like vehicle. He includes the same parts as the Ultimate Class figure however his armor is translucent purple plastic and he features numerous paint differences. He includes giant red swords, blasters, and a projectile-launching gun.
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[[File:ConstructBots 2pack Megatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
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*'''Optimus Prime vs Megatron''' (Ultimate Class, 2013)
{{toydesigner|[[Andrew Scribner]] (deco artist), [[Emiliano Santalucia]] (concept artist)}}

: Megatron's Elite Class toy was packed alongside his eternal nemesis [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Construct-Bots|Optimus Prime]]. This version is identical to his Elite-Class single release in construction, but this version features a more Generation 1-based paint scheme. He retains the gimmickry of the Elite-Class version but also includes a myriad of extra parts; enough to switch his alternate form from a tank to a jet if one were so inclined.

:Megatron's blaster was later redeco/reused for [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Construct-Bots|Thundercracker]] and one of ''Timelines'' [[Oilmaster#Timelines|Oilmaster]]'s weapons.
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==''Hero Mashers''==
[[File:HM-toy Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I will destroy Optimus Prime! Then use his arm as a back scratcher!]]
*'''Megatron''' (Battle Upgrade, 2014)
**''Pieces'': '''18'''
**''Accessories'': Backpack, spring-loaded cannon, missile, blaster, energy flail, 2 blaster-pods, "Skywarp" right forearm

: Part of the first wave of "Battle Upgrade" ''[[Hero Mashers]]'' toys, Megatron is a non-transforming action figure with ratchet-joints, about six inches tall. His design is mostly based on Generation 1 Megatron, but with angles and styling very evocative of ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'' [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]]. He has multiple peg-holes all over that can be used to mount any ''Hero Mashers'' accessory. As a first-wave figure, he has extra ankle articulation that is not present in later waves (a cut that was made to all ''Hero Mashers'' lines, not just the ''Transformers''-branded ones).

: He is designed with a removable head, forearms, thighs, and lower legs, all of which use the same clip-peg/hole joint. This means his pieces can be swapped around in any order, as well as swapped with any other ''Hero Mashers'' figure... which includes figures from [[Marvel Comics]], ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'', and ''[[Jurassic Park|Jurassic World]]'', meaning you can make some pretty freaky combinations.

: While he is (roughly) the same size as a standard Hero Masher, his larger [[size class|price point]] is made up for with a lot more parts and gimmicks. Both of his hands are removable, which allows for accessories to be placed in his wrist sockets, notably his "energy flail" piece. His ''massive'' "fusion cannon" piece is a spring-loaded missile launcher. He also comes with [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Hero Mashers|Skywarp]]'s right forearm, which is a [[redeco]] of ''Hero Mashers'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Hero Mashers|Starscream]]'s.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Decepticon/HMMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Megatron at TFU.info]''
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==''EZ Collection''==
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[[File:EZ-Collection-EG-06-Megatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Megatron''' (EZ Collection, [[April 27]], 2013)
**''ID number'': '''EG-06'''

:Another [[redeco]] of the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' Legends Class Megatron, this individual carded release of ''EZ Collection'' Megatron features gray plastic with purple-painted hands. His stock photography retains the G2 Decepticon symbol, though the toy proper has original Decepticon symbols.
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==''Bearbrick''==
[[File:Bearbrick Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I'm an ''intensive'' care bear.]]
*'''Megatron''' ([[July 17]], 2014)

: A special edition [[Bearbrick]] released in celebration of the ''Transformers'' 30th anniversary, Megatron transforms from a Bearbrick painted up like Megatron to a bear-eared robot. He has no accessories, but holes in his robot mode hands can accommodate other toys' weapons.

: This mold, with a different head sculpt, was also used for the simultaneously released Bearbrick [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Bearbrick|G1 Optimus Prime]] and the later released [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Bearbrick|''Age of Extinction'' Optimus Prime]] and the exclusive [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Bearbrick|G1 Nemesis Prime]], and was further retooled into [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Bearbrick|Bumblebee]] and [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Bearbrick|Starscream]].
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==''Transformers'' (2014)==
[[File:Transformers-2014-Legion-Class-Megatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Megatron''' (Legion Class, 2014)

:Another re-release of the ''Universe'' Legends Class Megatron sculpt, this time with a slightly lighter shade of green and darker shade of purple camouflage patterns from its previous iterations. Bizarrely, the [[package art]] is taken from the ''Generations'' Legends Class Megatron/Chop Shop two-pack's packaging and half-heartedly recolored–ignoring the black and yellow safety striping from the design the art was originally made for–to match the broad strokes of this figure's deco.

:In the United States, Megatron was found at at discount stores such as Big Lots and Family Dollar. In Australia, he was available at general retail, however was packaged alongside the previous wave of Legion Class figures instead of the wave he was intended for. For unknown reasons, the wave that Megatron was intended to be in was released at general markets in Europe, but did not include Megatron himself.
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==Mega Drive Megatron==
[[File:MegaDriveMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|MEEEEEGAAAAA]]
*'''16-Bit Mega Drive Megatron''' (2014)
**''Accessories:'' Cannon, gamepad, game cartridge, cap

: Released under the "TakaraTomy Arts" banner alongside a [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Optimus Prime featuring Original PlayStation|Sony PlayStation version of Optimus Prime]] and outside of any other toyline, Mega Drive Megatron transforms from robot to a scaled-down Japanese [[Sega]] {{w|Sega Genesis|Mega Drive}} video game console... which coincidentally is about the size of a real-life Mega Drive cartridge. He comes with a gamepad with pushable buttons which splits in two and attaches to his back like a pair of wings. The left side of the console detaches and transforms into an arm-mounted cannon attached to his back via the gamepad's cord. He also includes a cartridge depicting the Japanese release of ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog (video game)|Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' that slots into the console/his chest.

: This figure includes what is most likely the smallest accessory to ever be included with a Transformers toy; a small cap that covers the hole left if one does not insert the gamepad into the console mode. The piece is sculpted to resemble an open slot for a gamepad and is a teensy bit ''smaller'' than even the fist parts for a ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]].

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[[File:SegaGenesisMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Blast processing.]]
*'''Sega Genesis Megatron''' (2015)
**''Accessories:'' Cannon, gamepad, game cartridge

: Sega Genesis Megatron is a redeco and slight retool of Mega Drive Megatron in the form of its North American release, the Sega Genesis. In addition to the changes to the console, the red on Megatron's robot mode has been replaced with purple, and the art on the ''Sonic'' cartridge has been changed to match its American release. Even the packaging is changed to evoke Genesis packaging, right down to featuring (awkwardly translated) English text on the back. This version of Megatron is a TakaraTomy Arts online store exclusive.

: Curiously, the promotional pictures of Sega Genesis Megatron appear to show the retooled "16-Bit" panel molded to read "1'''5'''-Bit", but the final release has it correctly molded.

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[[File:MegaDriveMegatronGold.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Megadroid's strangest body yet.]]
*'''Mega Drive Megatron Gold Ver.''' (2015)
**''Accessories:'' Cannon, gamepad, game cartridge

: A [[Lucky Draw figure|Lucky Draw]] gold chrome redeco of Mega Drive Megatron was one of the prizes in a lottery open to those who purchased the ''{{w|Sega 3D Fukkoku Archives}}'' [[Nintendo 3DS]] game. For this release the cartridge art was changed to that of ''Bare Knuckle'', the Japanese release of ''{{w|Streets of Rage}}'' and one of the games included in ''Sega 3D Fukkoku Archives''. The lottery was open from December 18, 2014 to January 31, 2015, with only 5 golden Megatrons up for grabs.
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==''Q-Transformers''==
[[File:QTransformers Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Megatron''' ([[April 25]], 2015)
**''ID number:'' '''QT-20'''

:''[[Q-Transformers]]'' Megatron is a small [[super deformed]] toy that transforms from Lamborghini Veneno to robot. He comes with a code for unlocking Megatron as a playable character in the ''[[Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns (mobile game)|Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns]]'' game.

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[[File:QTransformers BlackMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Black Megatron''' ([[November 14]], 2015)
**''ID number:'' '''QT-32'''

:Released appropriately alongside [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Q-Transformers|Black Convoy]], Black Megatron is a redeco of the previous toy in darker colors with red highlights in new places, blue windows and a Lamborghini logo in place of his Decepticon insignia.

:Although usually sold in Japanese markets, some department stores in Asia had sold the figure as well.

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*'''Decepticons 3-Figure Set''' (2016)
**''ID number:'' '''QTFS-02'''

:During the second ''Q-Transformers'' series, the Megatron toy was available in a three-pack alongside [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Q-Transformers|Soundwave]] and [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Q-Transformers|Shockwave]]. He is identical to the original ''Q-Transformers'' toy.
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==''Legends''==
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[[File:Tf-legends-lg-13-megatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Megatron''' ([[May 30]], [[2015]])
**''ID number'': '''LG13'''
**''Accessories'': 2 guns (combine to form rifle)

:''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' Megatron is a redeco of the [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#Combiner Wars|''Combiner Wars'' Leader Class Megatron]] toy. Aside from the show-accurate paint applications, he also features some changes slightly different from the Hasbro release: Several numbers of his red plastic are replaced with grey, and his Decepticon insignia (slightly larger than Hasbro's) is now tampographed on his chest. He comes with a leaflet featuring a character profile, tech specs, and the [[Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 13|''Legends'' Bonus Edition Vol. 13]] mini-comic. Unlike the original mold, Megatron's Mini-con styled post on his crotch panel/rear tank area has been omitted, which also results in a less secure connection.

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[[File:Legendstoy-MegatronHM.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|Who shrunk me?! This is all YOUR fault, Starscream!]]
*'''Galvatron''' ([[July 23]], [[2016]])
**''ID number:'' '''LG23'''
**''Accessories:'' Megatron Headmaster, cannon

:Available with ''Legends'' [[Galvatron (G1)/toys#Legends|Galvatron]], Megatron is a redeco of ''Titans Return'' [[Nucleon (TR)|Nucleon]] and transforms into Galvatron's head. He features paint applications to resemble his appearances in the cartoon, while his Headmaster mode features silver paint on his face, and some purple details.

:This mold was also used to make ''Legends'' [[Megalligator#Legends|Megaligator]].

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[[File:Legendstoy-LG63-G2Megatron.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|Beast Wars ''and'' G2? What is this, [[Alignment]]?]]
*'''G2 Megatron''' ([[February 24]], [[2018]])
**''ID number:'' '''LG63'''
**''Accessories:'' Fusion cannon, rifle, Headmaster, [[Noble (BM)#Legends|Noble]] Partner Drone

:''Legends'' G2 Megatron is a redeco of the [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#Titans Return|''Titans Return'' Voyager Class figure]] in his "[[#Hero|Hero]]" colors. He also comes with [[Noble (BM)#Legends|Noble]], who is redecoed from [[Fangry (G1)#Generations|Fangry]]'s drone accessory.

:In fiction, this toy represents a transtector body initially owned by [[Megatron (BW)/toys#Legends|''Beast Wars'' Megatron]] before coming into G1 Megatron's possession.
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==''au x Transformers''==
[[File:INFOBAR-Megatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Ring ring, It's TYRANNY calling!"]]
*'''INFOBAR Megatron (BUILDING)''' (2017)
**''Accessories:'' Mini flip-phone, display stand, swappable display cards
{{toydesigner|[[Yūya Ōnishi]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:Released in conjunction with Japanese cellphone maker au,<ref>[http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/product_release/pdf/p170201.pdf TakaraTomy au x Transformers Project press release]</ref> ''au x Transformers'' INFOBAR Megatron is a retool of the same line's [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#au x Transformers|INFOBAR Optimus Prime]], with a new head and decoed in traditional Megatron colors.

:The INFOBAR figures celebrate 15 years since the 2002 au Design Project that resulted in the INFOBAR cellphone, as well as the 10th anniversary of the [[Live-action film series|live-action films]]. He transforms into a (non-functional) scaled-down replica of the 2002 au INFOBAR, and in lieu of cellphone functions, the figure can be paired via Bluetooth with a smartphone, such as an iPhone, to act as a notification alarm in either robot or INFOBAR mode. The screen is also non-functional, but pre-printed cards are included which can be slid into the screen to show an Autobot logo, Decepticon logo, a mockup of a cellphone home screen, or a technical "Transformers INFOBAR" design. He features articulated hands for grasping the included tiny flip-phone accessory (which can flip open) that is stored in the bottom of the cell phone mode. The figure also includes a display stand.

:The project was crowdfunded through Japanese crowdfunding site Makuake.<ref>[http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/01/31/transformers-x-au-transforming-phones-launch-crowdfunding-campaign-332289 Transformers x au Transforming Phones Launch Crowdfunding Campaign at TFW2005.com]</ref> Both Megatron and Bumblebee could only be obtained by contributing 16,200 yen to the project to receive a package of all three INFOBAR figures; at the 5,400 yen level, contributors received only INFOBAR Optimus Prime. The project received one million yen in the first 24 hours, ultimately topping out at over 32 million yen.

:This figure was differently retooled, with another head, and redecoed into [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#au x Transformers|INFOBAR Bumblebee]].

::*''[https://time-space.kddi.com/au-transformers/ More information on au x Transformers website (Japanese)]''
::*''[https://www.makuake.com/project/au-transformers/ More information on INFOBAR Megatron at Makuake crowd-funding site (Japanese)]''
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==''Authentics''==
[[File:Authentics 5inch Megatron.jpg|right|upright=1.66|thumb|Good luck turning me into a blaster.]]
*'''Decepticon Megatron''' (Bravo, 2017)
**''Accessories:'' Tank barrel/fusion cannon
{{toydesigner|[[Emiliano Santalucia]] (concept artist)}}

:''[[Transformers Authentics|Authentics]]'' "Decepticon Megatron" is a figure roughly the size of a 2015 [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 toyline)#Mini-Con Battle Packs|''Robots in Disguise'' Battle Pack]] toy. He changes from an [[evergreen]]-inspired robot into a tank in just six steps, with his fusion cannon doubling as the tank mode's cannon.

:He features two 5mm-compatible hands, and his head is made out of a slightly soft, rubbery plastic. Like [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Authentics|Starscream]], he actually has elbows, and like all ''Authentics'' toys, Megatron features sculpted insignias on his chest and the sole of his right foot; the latter is visible in tank mode while the former is visible in robot mode.

:Unfortunately, Megatron does not have any functional small wheels on his painted treads (although the rear treads do have slots cut into them for some reason), making them prone to chipping if he is "rolled" along. Sadly, the forearms and the cannon's posts are ''not'' 5mm/3mm compatible.

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[[File:TF-Authentics-Bravo-2024-Megatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Despite everything, you're still more articulated than your [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Authentics|arch enemy]].]]
*'''Megatron''' (Bravo, 2024)
**''Accessories:'' Tank barrel/fusion cannon
:Released in the seventh wave of ''Authentics'' Bravo figures, Megatron transforms into a Cybertronian tank in five steps. He features ball-jointed shoulders and hips, though his forward hip movement is obscured by his skirt armor. His fusion cannon can be mounted on his arm, or held in his fists.

:This figure was first listed by the [https://hasbrostore.cl/product/transformers/9541-figura-de-accion-transformers-authentics-bravo-megatron-5010996196132.html Chilean Hasbro store] website without prior announcements.

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[[File:TF-Authentics-Alpha-Megatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Decepticon Megatron''' (Alpha, 2018)
**''Accessories:'' Tank barrel/fusion cannon

:Part of the second wave of ''Authentics'' 7-inch toys, this Megatron is functionally an upsized copy of the 5-inch toy above, though with several modifications like the reversed chest, rotating waist, and flip-out chest panel with a head-tucking gimmick, which allows him to transform into vehicle mode from the front view. He also features functional small wheels for the treads.

:This Megatron saw first release in the Philippines in December 2018.

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[[File:TF-Authentics-Alpha-2024-Megatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Megatron''' (Alpha, 2024)
**''Accessories:'' Tank barrel/fusion cannon, missile packs

:Similar to the previous Alpha figure, this Megatron is an upscaled version of the concurrently released 2024 Bravo class figure, with a more elaborate transformation scheme from robot to tank in 13 steps along with greatly increased articulation. However, unlike the 2017 figure, the tank mode lacks small wheels inside the treads. The smaller missile packs on his sides are removable. The design of the tank is loosely inspired by ''Revenge of The Fallen'' Megatron's tank form.

:Like the Alpha class [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Authentics|Starscream]] figure, Megatron has trouble standing up due to his small heels, although this can be remedied by rotating the panels of his shins so that the slanted part is facing down. His legs are decently articulated, though his waist impedes forward movement of his legs.

:Much like his smaller counterpart, this figure was listed in the [https://hasbrostore.cl/product/transformers/9536-figura-de-accion-transformers-authentics-alpha-megatron-195166249230.html Chilean Hasbro store] website without any announcements.

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[[File:TF-Authentics-Titan-Changer-Megatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Megatron''' (Titan Changer, 2019)
**''Accessories:'' Tank barrel/fusion cannon

:Part of the first wave of ''Authentics'' Titan Changers, Megatron changes from a thin robot to a tank. The Fusion cannon can be mounted on either arm or held in either fist via a 5 mm post. Like most Titan Changers, he only features articulation in his ball-jointed shoulders.
:This figure was primarily only available in dollar stores like Family Dollar and similar chains.
:Megatron was re-released in 2022 in Wave 3, and repackaged unchanged in 2023 as his [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#ROTBTitanChanger|live-action film incarnation]] for the ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (toyline)|Rise of the Beasts]]'' toyline. In 2024 he was [[Megatron (One)#One|repackaged again]] for the ''[[Transformers One (toyline)|Transformers One]]'' toyline.
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==''Street Fighter II × Transformers''==
[[File:Collab-toy SF2 VegaBison.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|YES! '''YES!''']]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Convoy [Ryu] vs Megatron [Vega]''' (Two-pack, [[2018]])}}</ul>
:*''Release date'': [[May 26]], 2018
:*''Accessories'': Cannon, rifle, Headmaster

:Part of the Japan-exclusive ''[[Street Fighter II × Transformers]]'' toyline, Megatron is a redeco of ''Titans Return'' Voyager Class [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#Titans Return|Megatron]] in [[M. Bison]]'s traditional colors, fleshy bits and all. He transforms from robot to tank to fighter jet (both made-up models), complete with [[Shadaloo]] [[insignia]]. The smaller [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] unit's robot mode is also painted to resemble Bison.

:Like all Voyager Class ''Titans Return'' figures, he has a pair of pop-up parts to fill in the area around his head; in this case, a pair of missile racks. However, those parts heavily restrict his neck articulation when deployed; unlike many others in his size class, his chest does not contain a pivoting assembly for a better range of movement. Due to the nature of his transformation, it is possible to transform the figure into tank mode without removing his head.

:His cannon can plug into the short barrel of the tank turret or the rifle/Headmaster vehicle weapon. In an undocumented additional feature, the rifle can be inserted into the front end of the cannon. The cannon can be mounted on his forearm or held by any figure with 5mm hands. It also has a peg hole that an accessory such as his rifle can plug into, with extra square peg holes specifically to hold the rifle in place.

:Megatron was only available in a two-pack with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Street Fighter II × Transformers|Convoy]] <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Ryu#Toys|Ryu]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>. This set was available for pre-order on [[TakaraTomy Mall]] from [[November 22]] to [[November 27|27]], with orders fulfilled in late May 2018. A pre-order goal was set as well: if 3000 units were pre-ordered in total, the set would also come with clear display stands for both toys.

:This two-pack was later brought to the West in 2022 as part of the ''[[Transformers Collaborative]]'' line, released as a [[Target]] and [[Hasbro Pulse]] exclusive in the United States. These releases are functionally identical to the Takara versions; the Hasbro versions have new manufacturing tampographs, but are otherwise the same. They even have all of the Takara packaging ''inside'' the new Hasbro outer packaging!
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==''Vintage G1''==
[[File:TF-Walmart-exclusive-G1-Starscream-reissue.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Starscream''' (exclusive reissue, 2018)

:A slight redeco of the Megatron accessory that came with the [[#TFCStarscream|Takara ''The Transformers Collection'' Starscream reissue]], this version of Megatron was included with the [[Walmart]] [[exclusive]] [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|G1 Starscream]] reissue under the ''[[Vintage|Vintage G1]]'' label.
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==''Classic Heroes Team''==
[[File:ClassicHeroesTeam-Megatron.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|[[Drill Nuts|Drill? Nuts!]]]]
*'''Megatron''' (All Star Rescan, [[2022]])
{{toydesigner|[[Marcelo Matere]] (packaging artist)}}

:''[[Transformers: Classic Heroes Team|Classic Heroes Team]]'' Megatron converts from robot mode to a drill tank in two steps -- one for the usual automatic transformation, and a second step which points the drill arm forward at the elbow hinge. The drill does not spin.
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[[File:ClassicHeroesTeam-Megatronalligator.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|Cowards! Put a Predacon logo on me!]]
*'''Megatron''' (Classic Heroes Team, [[2023]])
{{toydesigner|[[Marcelo Matere]] (packaging artist)}}

:This Megatron converts from robot mode to alligator in two steps -- though the second step is just reorienting the tip of his tail. In alligator mode, he has an articulated jaw and a cannon on his backside. He's an entirely mechanical alligator with a Decepticon logo and sold as "Megatron," so he's probably not [[Megalligator]] no matter how much we want him to be.
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==''Transformers Retro''==
[[File:TFRetro-Starscream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Starscream''' (Walmart exclusive reissue/redeco, [[2023]])

:Walmart once again [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Transformers Retro|reissued the original Starscream toy]] in 2023–now in more cartoon accurate colours–under the ''[[Transformers Retro]]'' label. He retains the gun mode Megatron accessory first included with ''The Transformers Collection'' Starscream.

:Unlike the original versions of Starscream's fists from ''The Transformers Collection'' reissue, the fists from this version are cast in black plastic and ''painted'' blue. The added paint makes the post on the bottom of his fists thicker than they should be, so attaching the lower portion of the Megatron gun can be difficult.

*'''Thundercracker''' (Walmart exclusive reissue/redeco, 2023)

:The same Megatron accessory was included with [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Transformers Retro|''Retro'' Thundercracker]] a few months later with no notable changes.

*'''Skywarp''' (Walmart exclusive reissue/redeco, 2023)

:The same Megatron accessory was included with [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Transformers Retro|''Retro'' Skywarp]] later with no notable changes.

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==''Dramatic Capture Series''==
[[File:TF-DCS-Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Watch me dazzle like a diamond in the rough'']]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Nemesis Bridge''' ([[2024]])}}</ul>
:*''Release date'': [[March]] 2024
:*''Accessories'': Fusion Cannon, tank turret/bladed weapon, tank-filler part/shield

:Released as the first entry of the ''[[Dramatic Capture Series]]'' line by TakaraTomy, this Megatron is a redeco of the ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise]]'' [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|mold]] in Generation 1 cartoon-accurate colors, notably slathering him in silver paint.

:Megatron's turret doubles as a melee weapon, though it must be forearm-mounted in order to use the blade. The blade can be a shield if paired with the sword from the ''Siege'' toy. To try and reduce his alternate mode's resemblance to an H-tank, he has a [[Partformer|partsforming]] piece that is attached between his shins. The melee weapon can plug into his back as a back-mounted cannon, much like his G1 cartoon design, and the filler part can be a forearm-mounted shield or mounted onto the bladed weapon.

:It can be difficult to pull his head out while transforming him to robot mode; the strain of doing so can cause the ball joint socket to crack, and form stress marks on his cheeks. This can be remedied by pushing the flap up from beneath using the filler/shield piece tabs. This version of Megatron appears to suffer from [[Mold#Deterioration|mold degradation]], with reports of very loose knees, hips, and shoulder tabs.

:Megatron is packaged with [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Dramatic Capture Series|Soundwave]], [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Dramatic Capture Series|Laserbeak]], and [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Dramatic Capture Series|Shockwave]]. Also included is a throne/command chair, a reuse of ''[[Studio Series]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Studio Series|Coronation Starscream]]'s throne, which was based on the command chair of the ''Nemesis'''s bridge to begin with.
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==''Robosen Flagship Edition''==
[[File:RobosenFlagshipMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Nobody summons Megatron!'' jk lol go for it]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Megatron Auto-Converting Robot''' ([[2024]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Carrying Case, Sword, Mace, 4 tank shells, Optimus Prime paper target, [[Collector coin]]

: ''[[Robosen]]'' Megatron is a high-end programmable interactive transforming robot. Responding to user voice commands or the Robosen app, Megatron transforms from a 21" tall robot into a tank with functioning treads and firing cannon. His robot mode is highly evocative of the [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#Combiner Wars|Leader-Class ''Combiner Wars'' Megatron]] figure, including the vertically-mounted tank treads on his back. Features include 112 different [[LED]] functions, 36 servo [[battery-powered motor|motors]], 118 microchips and over 200 lines of dialogue from [[Frank Welker]]. Unlike previous ''Robosen'' robots, Megatron has a battery level indicator on his chest, and the ability to react to the user's touch. However, like the previous robots, he is unable to stand when powered off in robot mode due to the joints having gone limp. It is, therefore, best to power him off in tank mode. MSRP was $1200 but a special "early bird" price of $899 was available until May 25th.
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==''Synergenex''==
[[File:TF T-SPARK Synergenex Megatron Type Godzilla.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''History shows again and again / How nature points out the folly of men'']]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-multi|'''Megatron Type Godzilla''' (メガトロン Typeゴジラ, 2024)}}</ul>
* Accessories: blaster, 3 [[Fire Blast effect|blast effect part]]s

:Part of [[T-SPARK]]'s ''[[Synergenex]]'' line of collector-targeted crossover toys celebrating the 70th Anniversary of the ''[[Godzilla]]'' franchise, "Megatron Type Godzilla" is a retool of ''[[Studio Series]] 86'' [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Studio Series|Grimlock]], decked in colors representing the King of Monsters during the [https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Millennium_era Millennium era]. His dino neck is cast in translucent blue plastic partially painted black to evoke the charging of Godzilla's Atomic Breath, and he also includes stackable blast effect parts, of the same set first introduced for ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' [[Omega Supreme (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Omega Supreme]], to represent this fiery attack. He has a new robot head, designed to resemble [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]]. His blaster, carried over from Grimlock, is now cast in silver plastic.
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==Notes==
[[File:MicroChangeGunRoboWalther.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|[[Megaplex]] Black Version?]]
[[File:Skywarpatron.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Skywarp really DID need close supervision.]]
[[File:UnmadeVideoCameraMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85]]
*To date, an exact copy of the black ''[[Microman]]'' ''[[Micro Change]]'' Walther P-38 toy has not been reissued as a Transformer. The e-Hobby version replaced the blue plastic with red and most of the black plastic parts with dark silver chrome.
*It seems that no one could get Megatron's [[package art]] right in Japan. His standard release used edited box art from the standard Micro Change P-38 toy's black deco, recolored to Megatron's US toy color scheme with shiny "chrome" and red on his legs and arms instead of the Japanese toy's flat gray and blue. The VS-X art replaced the red with blue, but kept the "chrome". The art on the "Goodbye Megatron" set used edited US box art (which in turn was the Micro Change P-38 UNCLE art with an added sigil) that replaced the red with blue, yet this toy used red plastic.
*In a fit of madness, a triple changer was proposed that would switch between [[Skywarp (G1)/toys|Skywarp]] (possibly mistaken for Starscream), Megatron, and Skywarp's jet mode.
*In a slightly more sane attempt, [[:File:Megalvatron.jpg|another triple changer]] was proposed which would switch between Megatron, a very awkward [[Galvatron (G1)/toys|Galvatron]], and a Walther P-38 handgun with a futuristic silencer and laser sight.
*Two kitbashed mock-ups of Megatron as a '90s video camcorder exist, one using the ''Generation 2'' tank Megatron mold to showcase a robot mode, and a nontransforming camera model. According to [[Vincent D'Alleva]], during the short turbulent period after G2 and before Beast Wars, one of the ideas floated was going back to highly realistic electronics for the line, and camcorder Megatron was a proof of concept model before it was decided that Beast Wars was the more viable option [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVRZdx1fFz8&ab_channel=TheToyFilesPodcast]. The mock-up was originally offered for sale in [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/4f98fe3d58bfe696/b1d0163d38587281?q=ramjet+whiz+bang+toys&pli=1 October of 2000] from Whiz Bang Collectibles, along with other items from a former Hasbro employee's collection.<ref>[http://www.toyarchive.com/Transformers/Prototypes/Generation2/MegatronVideoCameraMock1.html Megatron Video Camera at Toyarchive.com]</ref>
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==References==
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==External links==
*[http://tfu.info/1984/Decepticon/Megatron/megatron.htm Megatron at TFU.info]
*[http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/content.php?/transformers-toys/toy-gallery/1783/Generation+2/Megatron+ATB.html Gallery of ATB Megatron with comparison to BB at Transformers At the Moon]
*[http://www.theunclegun.com/ Unclegun.com - The Walther P-38 as seen in The Man from U.N.C.L.E.]
*[http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=ngAuAAAAEBAJ Megatrons patent]

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== Site Logo revamp ==

Up until now, our rotating logo on the main page tends to have a batch of logos pointing to pages from the most recent franchises and series, plus a few from older franchises that we forgot or didn't bother to remove. I'd like to rework this system a bit to have a more even balance franchise-wise. I think we should have one character for every franchise that has had a cartoon or movie (including the JG1 shows), plus one from each of the major English-language comic runs (Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW1, and IDW2 at the bare minimum). This would be a good way to demonstrate the breadth of the franchise scope of the wiki, and help drive new readers towards legacy content. (Of course, we'd still have a few extra banners based on whatever is currently running for the "Hey, I know that guy!" factor. Would love to get some thoughts on this, and potentially character suggestions for each franchise. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:59, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:I think this is a great idea! Though, I'm unsure on which characters from each show would be good to use. Like, would we go most popular/memorable characters or just some really random left field obscurities like G1 Skids who appeared in only two episodes of ''The Transformers'', just to get some more eyes on character articles from franchises newer fans may not be fully aware of? Also, would Japanese-exclusive shows include ''Go!'', ''Q-Transformers'' and ''Robotmasters''? If so, maybe even an image from ''Portal'' (the Russian show) would be worthwhile too. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 02:47, 18 December 2021 (EST)
::Obscure/minor stuff risks just being the GO! Boxes again, and we already have those. For the big logo, best to go with majorish characters from majorish media. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 07:19, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:This sounds like a great idea. We could break it down like this:
G1 Seasons 1 and 2 - Optimus Prime,
TFTM/G1 Seasons 3 and 4 - Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime,
G1 Marvel - Ratchet,
Headmasters - Fort Max,
Masterforce - Minerva,
Victory - Star Saber,
Idk if we would do Zone or any of the Japanese G1 stories that came after,
Beast Wars - Megatron,
Beast Wars II - Lio Convoy,
Beast Wars Neo - Magmatron,
RID/Car Robots - Side Burn,
I've never read Dreamwave so I don't know a good character that represents it,
Unicron Trilogy - Hot Shot,
IDW could be broken into a few character reps because of how long it went on,
IDW Furman Era - IDW Bumblebee,
IDW Post Furman - IDW Galvatron,
IDW MTMTE/LL - Nautica,
IDW RID/OP - IDW Optimus Prime,
Animated - Bulkhead,
Movies - Bumblebee,
WFC Games - Bruticus,
Prime - Starscream,
RID15 - Strongarm,
Cyberverse - Windblade,
WFC Trilogy - G1 Megatron,
And then we can have a few slots open for characters from the latest shows/movies. This list would give new readers an idea on how big the franchise truly is and how diverse the characters are. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Certainly if anyone's gonna represent CR/RiD'01, it's gonna be Sky-Byte, the breakout star of the show, and not Side Burn, the Autobot womanizer. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:26, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Funilly enough I meant to put him there lol. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 20:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Dreamwave, I'd pick War Within Grimlock. Certainly Shockwave should be part of 2005 IDW since he's responsible for the whole sha-bang.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 18:40, 5 January 2022 (EST)

== Splitting Cloud characters ==

So now we have some sorta adequate translations, I'm being increasingly convinced that merging them just on the basis of AVP was a mistake and that the Cloud characters should be split out for simplicity and ease of explanation. Notably, the central conceit is far more similar to TransTech than G1—and more different to G1 than Cyberverse, for instance. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:44, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I was against it then and I'm against it now. They're nothing like the TransTech; they are practically nigh identical to the G1 guys, there's a war going on in their universe, and the "central conceit" of them being multiversal guardians is more akin to Alternity than it is to TransTech, who for the majority of their fiction were at most passive observers. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I am declining to weigh in personally until I finish first pass translations but please at least pretend to look over the translated material before repeating the same arguments. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:19, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::I have looked over it. Nothing is convincing me that it's all that separate from G1 stuff. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::"War going on" describes most of Transformer fiction. What makes Cyberverse "not G1", but Cloud G1, other than convenience for us editors? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:02, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::: As far as I can tell, there is no basic divergence, aside from Grimlock's origins, from the Cloud characters to the G1 counterparts. I could point to a fair few examples on the side of Cyberverse that rank higher than that (Grimlock's presenations, the origins of the Quintessons and Sharkticons, Skywarp, Acid Storm, etc etc.) [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:23, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::We can be here all day debating over character minutiae, but the point is that Cyberverse ultimately doesn't diverge that much from G1 in its general premise as opposed to Cloud. G1 is bloated enough as it is; it doesn't hurt to take out the one thing that doesn't really fit in and make it its own thing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::: Well that just comes right back to my question: what actually makes Cloud World's core conceit any different from G1 beyond the fact that they have technology that allows them dimensional travel? Because if it is just that, I simply do not believe that is enough to justify a split for characters who are almost all made to look like and have the same personality as the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:51, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I agree for the sake of wiki presentation. *Cloud* is more like *TransTech* than it is like *Alternity*. *Cloud* characters got to travel to both the G1 and MD worlds as equally separate destinations. TakaraTomy used the *Generations War for Cybertron* moulds as the *United* series, which is G1 and not Aligned by our classification. *Cloud* recycling unused *Generations Fall of Cybertron* toys in a non-Aligned setting strikes me as more evidence that we can allow *Cloud* to live on its own rather than as another G1 setting. And *Cloud* was chosen by e-HOBBY over the competing proposal *Prime Shattered Glass* which would also have been on separate wiki pages despite employing purely redeco mould choiceis. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:08, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I'm not convinced by the idea that them saying "G1 World" is an indicator of separateness when there is also designations for "BW Spacetime" and "MF Spacetime." Brawn is depicted as practically identical in appearance to G1 Brawn before being upgraded. As for the Prime Shattered Glass choice, I think it's pretty obvious why that would be completely separate from this particular issue. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:25, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::The only reason Brawn is shown as the G1 body is if you take consideration that all Cloud members are drawn according to the latest toy or model available... he got no real toy before that, the only options were either G1 Sunbow, G1 toy or the tiny Universe 2.0 Legends. Now if you remove their appearance and focus on the story, Cloud is still more akin to Transtech than Alternity, Deadlock for example even got to visit the Legends World, a Aligned world (possibly the Adventure toyline) and the Ehobby spin-off dimension (now called Precursor World) -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 17:55, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::Yes, I am aware of how Cloud repurposings work. Nothing prevents one G1 universe from visiting another. And aside from that, Japan has had barely any non-JG1 cartoon related G1 fiction; of course Cloud World, which isn't directly JG1 related, would be indicated as different; that doesn't mean that it's not able to be categorized as G1. If it were an American storyline, where we have always had multiple G1 storylines, I feel that this would not nearly be as much of a point of contention. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I'm in favor of splitting Cloud from G1. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 19:32, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I haven't read any of the Cloud fiction myself, but I know that if our translation team collectively agrees on something based on the material available, then that's more than enough convincing for me to agree with them also. In other words, I agree with a split. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:52, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I'd vastly prefer if we could get someone like McFeely to weigh in on this. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:56, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::i'm in favour of the split. The cloud people have enough characteristics to distonguist them from theur jg1 counterpatts.--[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 20:14, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::Alright, seriously, what characteristics are there actually to distinguish them from G1? Because nobody has been able to give me a concrete example so far. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:17, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::::dinobot, heavy usage of aligned designs, hellwarp --[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 21:36, 28 December 2021 (EST)
Looks like Escargon is the only voice against the split thus far. Still, I suggest the discussion should remain open longer than usual, out of courtesy for people not checking the wiki as regularly given the holiday season. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:47, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:As the translations are still ongoing, I think the most we can suggest at this time is a note regarding its a classification as a Primax setting by AVP. As more information comes to light I'm becoming increasingly convinced that it was a decision made on shaky logic. Unlike the Alternity there doesn't seem to be any evidence of these guys being derived in-universe from G1 guys. And as fiction, it's about a bunch of super advanced parallel universe monitor guys who regularly travel to other universes. If it's literally just "the cast is mostly recolours of toys with G1 fiction" then maybe we need to start talking about listing the War for Cybertron games as G1 too. [[User:Star Spangled Sam|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam|talk]]) 01:44, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::What exactly is super-advanced about them beyond SARA, who, as far as I can tell, is a gift from some being and not even their own creation? Because otherwise, they seem to be basic Transformers. Not a single person has been able to tell me that so far, and I'd be far more willing to listen if someone would just spell out what exactly makes them so distinct that means they can't be G1. It's not about in-universe stuff, because for all intents and purposes, the characters themselves are nigh-identical to the Generation 1 characters; you look at Cloud Megatron or Cloud Rodimus and it is obvious that, irregardless of whatever the fiction might say, they are being sold as new versions of the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 04:29, 29 December 2021 (EST)
:::By the same logic, then why not put the FOC and WFC games under the G1 banner since it heavly takes inspirations from it, same settings (war on cybertron, the resources are becoming low, escaping to another world), closest designs to G1.. hell they were more marketed towards G1 than the Movies and Prime in mind (let's face it.. that's what Hasbro always does).. but the further Hasbro tied them to Aligned and they became their own thing.. Cloud is about that, maybe marketed as G1 at first but they became their own thing at the end -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 13:20, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::::The WFC games are their own case that, despite what you say, were always clearly a part of Hasbro's ideas for the Aligned continuity, which is something that I'm not going to bother going into here. Nothing about Cloud registers to me as being somehow so separate that it requires us splitting off things into their own pages. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:24, 29 December 2021 (EST)
Bumping for more opinions. If there's no overall opposition to it by Friday or so, I'll start splitting. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:07, 4 January 2022 (EST)
:The Cloud fiction prominently features the Cloud characters interacting with their own G1 counterparts. If nothing else, it should be split on same basis as [[Galvatron II]]. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:50, 4 January 2022 (EST)
::We've seen that with other fiction. I'm not sure why it would justify them having their whole separate pages (Galvatron II is a unique case). If that's what it takes though to not go through some inane total split, though, then fine, whatever. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:If there is to be movement on this in the immediate future I suppose I should go ahead and weigh in. As the one doing the translation I broadly agree with Riptide. While I am unmoved by philosophical discussions on what constitutes "G1-ness" or "Transtech-ness," I believe it is important to return to our guiding principle of the end user experience. Given the already convoluted nature of the material as well as the cast's consistent interaction with both various Generation 1 continuities in general and their own incarnations in specific, I believe it will be in the best interests of intelligibility for the reader to split out Cloud from Generation 1. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:25, 5 January 2022 (EST)

We are not going to pretend that these are completely separate from the Generation 1 characters. Put up a suite or a "see [X] article for more information" because it is completely ridiculous to pretend that Cloud is it's own little continuity. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:38, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I disagree. Cloud should be split off entirely. So let's have an official vote and resolve this. I say '''Split'''. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:28, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::The articles have already been split. You'll forgive me if I don't show confidence in the decision from people who blew me off when I pointed out their original reason for splitting was incorrect (that supposedly the Almanac had come out before Cloud was truly explained, but in fact it had come after almost all of it had been published). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:35, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::This discussion has been open for twelve days. An unofficial tally shows at least 7-to-1 in favor of splitting. No one else has openly agreed with your position. Given that, and that Saix announced days in advance he would start splitting if there was no further discussion, it wasn't unreasonable for him to begin. But maybe there's a different split of opinions on the Discord or wherever, so it's certainly appropriate to ask for an official vote. Beyond that...the decision is just not up to you alone. The point of democracy is for all voices to be heard, not to leave every voice feeling satisfied with the outcome. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:08, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::I have no idea what's going on in the Discord server; I'm barred from it. I certainly hope there's not more discussion going on over there, because I was told that there would be a push to have these sorts of big discussions to be on the wiki. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:42, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::With all due respect: You need to stop putting so much emphasis on the in-universe designation, which AVP itself pointed out was ultimately arbitrary. I understand that AVP and the Almanacs are important to you, but Jim is not infallible, and while I'm sure he had good reasons for calling it "Primax" that's ultimately just ''his opinion''. Cloud being "its own thing" isn't some essential property; it's a matter of how to organise the wiki in order to make the fiction clear. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:47, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I also vote '''Split''' if only because of how better translations now has pointed out various past errors/assumptions/presumptions that needed correcting, and thus updating is needed so as to make things easier to categorize and organize here. Any wiki really worth their salt and wanting to do proper service to their respective franchises' fandoms would do the same. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:43, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::I ''still'' haven't got an answer for what makes Cloud so different that makes it ''need'' to be split. If there were a crossover between say, Marvel and Sunbow, nobody in their right mind we should completely separate, say, Huffer from Huffer. I'm willing to admit that I might just be missing something, but nothing in the stories themselves, as far as I can see, suggests it, beyond the aforementioned Cloud World classification, which for me is not enough of a justification. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:33, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::Neither Marvel nor Sunbow consists primarily of crossovers with another G1 continuity. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:20, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::If that's the main avenue of justification then frankly I don't think I'm ever going to agree with that line of reasoning, but I can clearly see I'm outvoted on this. I wish there would have been more people asked before the split was done, though, because I can see that this could very easily end up being another whole "retitling things to FSRLF" situation. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:00, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::We functionally split out Marvel and Sunbow versions for a lot of characters anyway. We're at the point where we draw lines based on how easy/hard it is for the information to be conveyed, not whether it's G1 enough or not. We think Cloud, as its own fullblown storyline/premise, falls on the side of "it's easier to read and parse it if they get their own shebang" instead of burying them in overlong G1 articles. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:11, 8 January 2022 (EST)

I'm not gonna argue further on this because I recognize it's a losing battle, but I think that the line of thought of "this one bit of media shouldn't be kept in an article because it won't get out there otherwise" sets a bad precedent that could easily be misused in the future. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:39, 8 January 2022 (EST)

Should the Cloud toys also be removed from the G1 character's pages? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 09:21, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:Yeah no, It vould be too convoluted, example look at the redirections [[Transformers_Cloud#Toys|there]]... where should each toy be redirected?? + the fiction regarding said toys has their own page now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:58, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::...What on earth are you talking about? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:16, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::Srry I misread his question.. I thought he meant "added" not "removed" from the G1 pages...
:Not entirely certain what you're asking, but the eight toys in the Cloud toyline (plus Deadlock) have already been moved to the Cloud pages in conjunction with the fiction, as they solely represent Cloud characters. The remaining Cloud characters repurpose existing toys. The writeups for those toys remain on the original pages with duplicates on the repurpose pages, as is standard practice. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:54, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::I mean, for example, [[Blaster_(G1)/toys#Generations|G1 Blaster's toy page]] has FOC Blaster on it, due to FOC Blaster being repurposed as Cloud Blaster. Should that repurposing be removed from G1 Blaster's page, since Cloud Blaster isn't considered to be G1 Blaster anymore? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 12:34, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::I believe yeah, the splitting between G1 and Cloud was recent (done last month) so there's still leftover traces on the wiki, if you can take your time to remove them why not -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 16:44, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::::Ok, good. I just wanted to check I wasn't missing anything. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 17:13, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::::Oh! Yes those should go, good eye! -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 10:52, 18 February 2022 (EST)

==Split Movie Character Toy lists?==
Just as what happened with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] and [[Megatron (G1)/toys]], I suggest we split certain Movie toy pages such as [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys]] and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys]] as both pages have become excessively bloated. I suggest we separate them by having the original Bay film toylines (07, ROFT, DOTM, AOE, TLK, and any pre SS sub lines) have their own page and starting a new one that Contains SS, BB, and the upcoming ROTB toylines, alongside any future movie toylines until the new page itself becomes heavily bloated [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Sorry for being this late but given that ROTB toys are apparently coming this spring, I suggest you split like one part contains all 5 movies while the other starts with SS and BB until now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2022 (EST)

== Multi-part comic stories ==

For old Marvel UK multi-part stories like [[Target: 2006]] or [[Time Wars]], we put the whole thing under a single article, but for modern-day ones like each storyline in [[Transformers (2019 comic)]] we have a separate article for each issue. Is there a good reason for the discrepancy, or are the old ones just an artefact of a time in the wiki's history that didn't follow our current standards? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 09:36, 22 January 2022 (EST)
:The thing with that is that it's a result of how the UK comic was written; there'd be about 8 or so pages per issue, meaning that we'd have a lot of little articles that are easier just grouped together. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:16, 22 January 2022 (EST)
::Makes sense, although that's essentially what we have for [[The Transformers: Autocracy]] et al., which are also 8 pages per issue. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 15:38, 23 January 2022 (EST)
:::The difference with Autocracy lies mostly in that pretty much all of those issues have a beginning and end, and also have different titles. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:47, 23 January 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I always thought our headings on the Marvel UK story pages ''were'' the issue titles. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:21, 24 January 2022 (EST)

== Composite characters and page transclusion ==

This is something I've had the idea about for a while, but I've finally had a look at how the markup for it works and have come up with a proposal. The pages for [[Greatshot]] and [[Sixshot (G1)]] contain an entirely duplicated section set around the ''Victory'' cartoon owing to a retcon that occurred in the much later Legends manga. This is not an ideal solution because, among other reasons, any edits to Greatshot's cartoon section necessitates making the same edit to Sixshot's section.

Over in my sandbox, I've whipped up the page [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test]], containing only the events that happened to both Greatshot and the retconned Sixshot. By inserting <nowiki>{{:User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test}}</nowiki> into the relevant parts of Greatshot and Sixshot's pages (also sandboxed [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot|here]] and [[User:TheLastGherkin/Sixshot|here]]), the same information is automatically transcluded. And clicking "Edit" on, for example, the Legends manga section on Sixshot's page automatically redirects the user to editing that portion of Greatshot-test, thus updating all three pages at once.

If we go forward with this, I can see it being used for other characters in similar situations, like BWU [[Wolfang (Maximal)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Wolfang]], or Unite Warriors [[Roller (IDW)#Unite Warriors|Roller]], or putting the lion's share (pun intended) of [[Victory Leo]]'s fictional appearances back onto Victory Leo's page. With refinements, like say a <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> explanation for what each subpage is for the layperson ("This page covers the events of the Japanese Generation 1 continuity, where Greatshot and Sixshot are the same individual...") and maybe a [[:Category:Transcluded pages]], I could see this really working, and it could probably be bent into shape for repurposed toys as well. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 12:48, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:If we cannot avoid this sort of duplicated information entirely, this does seem like a pretty ideal solve to mitigate the constant peril of copy editing flubs maintaining multiple copies of one write-up entails. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:56, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Is there any way to get rid of the "This section is transcluded from another page. To edit it, please edit the transcluded page." notice? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:06, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:::There is! I just put that there manually while experimenting and also to make clear where the transcluded section is. In practice, since clicking "Edit" on a transcluded section takes you to the source page, a notice like that can be relegated to a commented-out note for editors who click to Edit the entire page (or a larger section). [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 16:16, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I thought it was automatic software stuff. Whoops, never mind. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Also, this works for fiction, but I see it running into issues when it comes to toys. (Thinking of Sixshot/Greatshot, Sixshot always gets toys first with Greatshot as the retool later in the same line.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:14, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:I've made some tweaks to my sandboxes, including standardising the transcluded page. Are there any objections before I start implementing this (in fiction sections)? [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 07:10, 12 February 2022 (EST)
::I sense that there could be an issue in the future where, for whatever reason, these sorts of characters diverge back into separate ones, whether it be through alternate continuities or whatever. Also, in the case of Greatshot, I feel like at the very beginning of his entry, there has to be something different to set up the Sixshot retcon, and just having the same opening text doesn't do that. 08:57, 12 February 2022 (EST)
:::His toy bio that mentions Sixshot as a separate person could go there. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:21, 16 February 2022 (EST)
:This could also be applied to Primus and Vector Sigma for their 3H comics sections since they are one and the same in that continuity. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:26, 26 February 2022 (EST)

== What makes a franchise? Or, does "Precursor World" exist? ==

So, browsing around the wiki, as one does, and came across this: [[Precursor World continuity|Precursor World (franchise)]]

Now, I'm not as well-versed in the Legends + Selects comics, so maybe this is incorrect, but to the best of my understanding, the branding "Precursor World" doesn't exist — this story was told across Generations Selects and Legends, and no toy or story was ever released branded as "Precursor World". It doesn't seem like the name even existed until pretty recently.

This...isn't a franchise, right? It's a long-running story told across various medium, but it's not a franchise, and calling it such implies something that isn't true.

Particularly, the idea that there is a "toyline" seems a bit of a stretch. There are only three listed "official" toys, but none of them were released under the "Precursor World" branding (which near as I can tell does not exist) and the list of "repurposings" seems almost entirely just "this toy/characters showed up in this story" which doesn't seem like anything's been repurposed to me. The IDW comics used a bunch of existing/prior toys, but that doesn't create a toyline of that comic series.

Am I off base here? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:16, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:Okay there's a lot to unpack here but to begin with every single one of those toys is being repurposed as a separate object/character in a separate setting a la, for example, [[Green Tender Convoy]] and the [[Matrix Buster|Red Matrix]]. Most of the unnamed crowdfillers are minimized to footnotes on existing articles to avoid generating a bazillion stubs. The closest analogue I can give you is the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|toyline]] for the original ''Timelines'' iteration of Shattered Glass. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:35, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I'll grant that those indeed seem to be repurposings, but the vast majority of toys on this list merely link to the toy entry for the toy on the regular character's page. I don't think having a list of members of these groups is bad (it's good!) but I don't think this is a toyline. Again, crucially, Shattered Glass has a brand, with the official toys released under that brand, whereas precursor world does not. IDW repurposed WfC/FoC/aligned toys as G1 characters, but this didn't create a virtual toyline associated with that comic. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:46, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:::Arguably Shattered Glass toys weren't really released under their own brand either until the recent Hasbro Pulse stuff, until then the figures were all just released under the ''Timelines'' banner or whatever else Fun Pub used at the time - the idea of a singular "Shattered Glass toyline" was just as much of a constructed idea until like a year ago. I can't say "franchise" and "toyline" ''aren't'' slightly more non-literal labels than usual in this context, but I do think there's value in having the info collated like this, and I can't think of ''better'' labels that aren't something stupid like "(meta franchise)". [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:57, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::::To be honest, I'm inclined to agree re: Shattered Glass, and would not be opposed to restructuring the toyline page to delineate between the "Shatted Glass Collection" and "Shattered Glass toys released via Timelines" or something. Shattered Glass does, however, have a leg up on Precursor World given that every official SG toy was branded as "Shattered Glass" in some way, though perhaps not as a "franchise". The box set is called Shattered Glass, and every official toy was called "Shattered Glass". There's some nuance there, of course, as arguably those are part of the character's names ala "Prime Universe Bulkhead" is still a Legacy toy, not a Prime toy, but I'd be happy to have a debate around the best way to frame Shattered Glass stuff given those discrepancies. Allll that said, Shattered Glass is today a franchise, but there have been zero anythings released with Precursor World branding or labeling. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 13:06, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I don't think the page should be removed or even severely modified, but I do think the terminology is flawed. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 16:02, 3 March 2022 (EST)
Precursor World is definitely not a "franchise" and should not have that label. The model to look at here is the [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] article, which gives an overview of the thing, lists it's stories and toys, but does not use the "franchise" label, and doesn't ''need'' to use it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:07, 3 March 2022 (EST)

Yeah, no, this is not a "franchise", and the page should not be labeled as such. It is a ''setting''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:I like the solution that AzimuthAcolyte gave on Discord: move "Precursor World (franchise)" to "Precursor World continuity" (with all uses of the word "franchise" changed to "continuity") and "Precursor World (toyline)" to "List of Precursor World toys". Simple and elegant. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:55, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Seconded.[[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:::That seems reasonable to me. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::::I'm for that. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::That's fair. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:59, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Works for me, somewhat obviously! If there are no major objections over the next day or two I'll get those moved over. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:48, 4 March 2022 (EST)
::Ohhh, That works -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 18:19, 4 March 2022 (EST)
Alrighty as it's been a day or so with no objections I am proceeding with the moves away from (franchise) and (toyline). --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:06, 5 March 2022 (EST)

== Episode Order ==
It's come to my attention that all cartoons have been listed in production order '''except''' Beast Wars, RID01, RB, and RBA. While I understand production order is not available for the latter two I suggest we change the first two for consistency's sake - Unless I'm wrong and they are ''not'' all in production order. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:48, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:We're not touching Beast Wars. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:52, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
::Beast Wars and RiD'01 not being in production order are accepted exceptions to the norm. We leave them as they are for reasons specific to each. But as for RB and RBA, we do have an idea of the production orders for each, but we instead use a weird mixture of production order and airing order that is consistent with no other series we cover. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:53, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:OK quick correction to myself, turns out that it's all supposed to be chronological order; That just happens to be production order for everything but those four. Sorry! [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 14:09, 16 March 2022 (EDT)

==Help with statues / figurines==
I wrote up many of the [[Super7#Transformers ULTIMATES!|ULTIMATES!]] entries, simply because no one else had. I don't actually care about that sort of merch and it ended up being me paraphrasing from press releases and copying their pics. Just today I learned there are 3 waves of TF [[Minimates]] that have no coverage here at all. It definitely seems like a lot of high-end statues are falling through the cracks as well. Is there someone who is willing to make that stuff more of a project? If not, could we perhaps put out a call for submissions on our Twitter feed? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:47, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I fear this is just... going to continue to be an Issue. The wiki is a labor of love, and the brand is at a point where there's a lot of stuff out there... well, that a lot of people probably aren't gonna love. Hasbro's moichandized the everloving HELL out of TF over the years, with more and more niche "G1" stuff that seemingly would never appeal to people for whom G1 is the big center of their fandom. I mean I just found some Micro Figures merch at a Big Lots, I've never seen these before, and I don't know offhand if they're on the wiki. They're kind of a nothing. It's hard to keep up. Same for stuff like phone games.<br>
:I don't know if there's an actual solution. ''Someone'' certainly needs to step up, but I kinda got my plate overflowing with my own pet (ha ha) niche chunk of TF history to exhaustively document, never mind dealing with stuff I am almost aggressively disinterested in. (Seriously what little Minimates experience I have left me with a worse impression of them than I already had from their hideous aesthetic alone.) Asking Twitter for people more well-versed in this stuff might could help for phone games, but... IS there anyone into Minimates as a whole Brand and not just in a "I get the licenses I like" sense to fill in gaps? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:20, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::Once I had composed the thought "Hey, it's bad that there are a lot of Minimates out with us not covering them at all," it was too late, and I just had to burn 40 minutes on some cut-and-paste writups for the entire series. That's one "solution," I guess, but even ''my'' obsessive-compulsiveness can only go so far. Editing this site really should not feel like a job... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:18, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

==Implementing galleries==
I propose making galleries on character pages a wiki standard. The current mainpic + show screenshots format doesn't cover images like character models (Unless used as a mainpic), concept art, appearances in posters or toy murals, comic book covers, etc.
Other wikis have successfully implemented galleries, I think the Hololive Wiki galleries in particular work well as an example https://hololive.wiki/wiki/Tokino_Sora#Media.
This gallery header covers character models and has suites for concept art and even character uses in collaborative merch.[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:27, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Seconded. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:30, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I would say some version of this concept for a section has merit, if nothing else as a solve for major characters with several prominent character models, perhaps as a fairly unobtrusive method of documenting alt modes, etc etc. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::I'm for this. As a good example, the BotBots characters all look to have been radically redesigned for the show. By default the current standard is to keep the original stock art look will appear as the mainpic each page. Having a gallery option would be a good way to show both versions. [[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Oppose. There is no reason for these to take up space on the character pages. Would not oppose separate "gallery" pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:57, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::If we are open to workshopping implementation I do agree a separate "gallery page" in the style we already use for more conceptual articles here and there would probably be cleaner. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I love the gallery idea. There's a question of how much to include, and the exact implementation details of how to portion out overflow if there's too many images. It's a shame there isn't some way to generate them automatically just by tagging images with the characters they depict. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::A separate page seems like it would be overkill for someone like [[Flamewar (G1)|Flamewar]], who would only take a few images to cover appearances not already covered by fiction section images. I assume if a small gallery was to be used on a character's page, it would be near the bottom at any rate? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:22, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Yes, at the bottom would be ideal, no different from any of the galleries on our artist pages. IMO, separate gallery pages should only be used in instances where the number of images can't be comfortably fit onto one or two lines. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:33, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::I agree with Cyberlink. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:29, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Fair; Using gallery sections for those with few images and gallery pages for those with many images might make sense. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 15:46, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::See [[Megatron (G1)/gallery|G1 Megatron]] and [[Megatron (BW)/gallery|BW Megatron]] for examples of characters with enough images to justify separate gallery pages. [[Rhinox (BW)/gallery|BW Rhinox]], as it is now, is probably right on the line between "split it off" and "stick it at the bottom of the page". -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
I think choosing between a header at the bottom or a suite depending on image amount is a good solution instead of sticking to just one method.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 11:29, 22 March 2022 (EDT)
:Yeah, I think that would be good, as has been pointed out earlier. I do have to ask - because sometimes the artistic difference between characters in comics is slight with details only a little different in shape or kibble - would those fall under gallery stuff? Because they're effectively different per artist interpretation. I would be inclined to say yes, because effectively a different artist's rendition is shown usually of the same character without having reformatted or taken up armor or so forth. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 10:56AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I am very much on board with this idea. Having a gallery section or page depending on the character would be great, especially for characters like Flamewar who have a extremely prominent new design that we can't use as a main pic and for characters who have tons of designs, especially in the case of IDW where some characters change bodies every Tuesday. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:35 AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I think artistic liberty vs. new design would have to be on a case by case basis. Burcham's art of the BW cast wouldn't count for gallery purposes, in my opinion. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:08, 27 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I think it would be cool to have art of the same designs in different artstyles, but I agree it should probably be on case by case basis. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 6:17 PM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I currently have a sandbox to test galleries using Tigatron https://tfwiki.net/wiki/User:MrRald/sandbox/Tigatron#Gallery. I'd appreciate any feedback on things to add or change! [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 23:44, 1 April 2022 (EDT)
::: I like what you have so far, I think we should maybe add a few more versions of Tigatron, like his different comic appearances and such. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]])

: Now that we're actually going ahead with this... I have to ask, what are the galleries actually ''for''? When we were discussing this I was under the impression that they were going to be for "behind-the-scenes" images that wouldn't otherwise have a place on the wiki, like out-of-universe character models, character concept art, or full-body renders from stuff like guidebooks. Right now, a lot of the galleries just feel redundant, given that they're just a bunch of cartoon and comic screengrabs taken from the relevant section and removed of all context... and a lot of them, like [[Blaster (G1)/gallery]] are just completely empty. The fact that every character ''can'' have a gallery does not mean that all of them ''should'', especially if most of them are just going to be redundant or mostly empty. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 18:57, 4 August 2022 (EDT)
::Agreed, I feel like this is bloating the wiki and toeing over the line of our vague remit. Despite having a LOT of images, we're not an image repository. Also, a lot of these could probably be done as a single subsection of the characters' mainpage under below "Notes" of whatever rather than as separate mostly-blank-space sub-pages full of sub-headers with like two images total in them. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 06:11, 5 August 2022 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I didn't think they'd be separate pages. What I was expecting was whichever of the cartoon character model, Dreamwave profile art or package art weren't being used for the mainpic, plus behind-the-scenes stuff, plus maybe extra bits from artbooks, covers, or sources like that. Stuff that can't just be slotted into a fiction writeup—and I don't mean "comic crops we don't have room for because equivalent/better panels are already in the fiction section". —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:35, 5 August 2022 (EDT)
My intentions for the gallery pages were for users to actually do the work in uploading character models, renders, et al., not dumping whatever cartoon screencaps we already have in fiction sections. And separate pages would be on a case by case basis. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:46, 5 August 2022 (EDT)
I don't see the point, honestly. It seems like pretty much any significant body a significant enough character has will appear on the wiki at some point in a comic panel or a toy info image or a screenshot or something, somewhere. I'm not sure this is a problem that needs solving. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] ([[User talk:Hooper X|talk]]) 20:36, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

===G1 model images===
To branch off of this topic, how would we feel about using [https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads/the-most-accurately-coloured-g1-animation-models-online.301/ DM's coloured models] for the G1 cartoon model galleries? The last time I brought this topic up (on Discord), some people were against the idea, due to them being fan-colour works and not official, but a few newer developments have been made since I last brought it up.

To clarify, for those unaware of DM's works:

* All of the line art is original and unedited (unlike several of the models in ''The Ark'' books, which had been tweaked, altered and traced by Bill Forster to make them presentable for publishing).
* The models are the final ones used throughout the majority of the cartoon (in Toei-animated episodes at least). Note: several of the models in ''The Ark'' books we have also come to discover were unfinalized ones, due to the internet and more stuff being made public since what was originally found around 2007—not to discredit Jim and Bill's hard work in putting those books together, it's just some of what we knew then isn't entirely correct now.
* And finally, the colours (which was the big thing some people were against). Unlike the handful of fan-coloured models that were originally uploaded to the wiki in the past, which eye dropped colors straight from poor quality episode masters, DM's colours are based directly on Toei and Marvel Productions' model colour guides, colour codes, charts, colour chips found by a member of the ''Dragon Ball'' fandom (who has scanned and digitized said colour chips) and other original production materials, meaning that the colours DM has used are all coming from the ''original'' original source.

An alternative Mr. Rald had brought up on Discord is that we could possibly look at using the uncoloured model line art instead, if people feel strongly against using fan-coloured works, but I think in order to present the G1 character models fully as references, you kinda need the colours included, especially given how poor the cartoon production was, what with all the animation errors (even in Toei episodes) etc, making it hard to gather decent references for the characters, which is mostly what these galleries are for.

Also, for the record, DM has given us permission to use his colourings on the wiki.

Let me know you thoughts. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 01:39, 6 April 2022 (EDT)

: I personally think that we should use DM's coloured models, they are as official as coloured models are going to get, and it's not like DM just randomly picked and chose want colours to use as FOCS said. We could just have the model and the colour guide, but at that point, just have the model sheet coloured. I would however be in favour of the uncoloured models with colour guides and the sheets with the fully coloured models to cover all our bases. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:16 AM, 6 April 2022 (PDT)

== Making a page for the Unreal Engine? ==

War for Cybertron, Dark of the Moon (PS3/X360), Fall of Cybertron, and Rise of the Dark Spark all run on Unreal Engine, specifically Unreal Engine 3. Why isn't there a page for it. It could have good info on those wanting to mod those games.

Unrelated, but there's a server revival project being worked on for those games. Right now it's only on PC, and progress is slow, but should we include info for it in the pages for those games? It's not official btw, there's a Discord server for it and a few YouTube vids about it.[[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]]) 17:29, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I'm not sure what information we could put on an Unreal Engine page that would be useful to modders. An Unreal Engine page would be general info on the engine and a list of games which use it. Diving into technical details isn't really something we do. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:52, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I think linking to {{W|Unreal Engine|Wikipedia}} should be sufficient. That's what I did when I ''unfortunately'' had to document the Funko NFTs. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:11, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I don't see what value there would be to this. Unreal warrants, at ''most'', a mention on the relevant game pages. We don't have pages for every program used to make every piece of TF media/product. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:33, 24 March 2022 (EDT)

== Category for characters with no established gender ==

So I just had this idea and decided to share it here because why not? We have categories for female characters and variable gender characters but not for characters with undetermined genders. Many BotBots for example don't have genders and I think this category could be a useful way of grouping them together. And who knows, maybe someday it could even help official creators specifically looking for genderless characters to establish a gender to them. Does anyone agree to implement this category? -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 19:06, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
:This concept has been discussed before in the past, and generally the feeling has been that this would be a bit too much like the wiki actively trying to shape canon. Don't get me wrong, creators taking advantage of characters with no official pronouns is neat and I'm all for it, but IMO the wiki shouldn't directly serve up them. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 19:26, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
::Interestingly, I can't seem to find a prior community portal discussion about this matter, though I know it has come up on the Discord server more than once, to the conclusion Jalaguy mentioned. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 19:35, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
:::Just to clarify, I thought of "official creators using it" as a quick example in favor of the category, but now I can totally see how it sounded like trying to influence canon too much. Regardless, I'd still be down for having the category if we agreed on it being useful for any other reason. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 19:51, 3 April 2022 (EDT)

== Category for trans characters ==

We had a productive conversation about the no established gender thing on the wiki discord and it made me realize that there should be a transgender category for the five established trans characters that there are so far, Arcee (who has established trans characterization on two different pages), Howlback, Arcadis, Anode, and Lug. Jalaguy mentioned that this has been discussed and people thought it was a good idea but it hasn't happened, so I just thought I'd ask for go-ahead on this. I figured that transgender rather than just trans could be a good word to use for this, due to them all being people who have gender. The term trans is merely more broad and could cover different kinds of transness than that or aesthetic stuff that is similar to gender, but we have no confirmation of being there yet in canon. Thus I think transgender would be the most accurate and desirable term here, and the umbrella trans can always be tacked on later if we need to. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 5:40PM 3 April 2022 (PDT) (edited 5:48PM PDT for clarity)
:Seconded. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 5:53 PM, 3 April 2022 (PDT)
::Since there are no objections, I'll go ahead. :3 -- [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 4:19AM, 11 April 2022 (PDT)

==Streamlining disambig headers (revist)==
So I remember this conversation from last year about streamlining the disambiguation headers. I checked back on the talk page discussion (link to said discussion archive here https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive69#Streamlining_disambig_headers) to see what happened and even though there was a lot of people who liked the idea with some who did not, it did not seem like it went anywhere. I thought I'd see if anyone else would like to revisit this idea as I feel like this would streamline things more, especially for Movie and Aligned and maybe a bit of UT especially for the guys who show up in all 3 shows or those don't have other bots who are completely different sharing the same name within the trilogy. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 9:01 PM, 12 April 2022 (PDT)

== Disambig tags and suites for Masterforce paired pages ==

We need to balance out our page titles for ''Masterforce'' human + transtector character pairs. Right now we have among extant pages and tentative redlinks:

Bullhorn (G1), Cab (human), Cancer (G1), Clouder, Ginrai (human), Shūta Gō, Lightfoot (G1), Minerva (human), Ranger, Road King, Wilder (G1)

Bullhorn (robot), Cab (robot), Cancer (robot), [something], Ginrai (robot), Goshooter, Lightfoot (robot), Minerva (G1 robot), Ranger (robot), Road King (robot), Wilder (robot)

I propose either we do human gets no species tag with the robot getting a species tag as the splinter page:

Bullhorn (G1) | Bullhorn (G1)/robot

or the human does get a species tag to equally balance with the robot:

Bullhorn (G1)/human | Bullhorn (G1)/robot

This would eliminate the need to have any longer-within-parentheses tag like "Minerva (G1 robot)" which would be affected by future continuities which may not yet have happened. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:55, 22 April 2022 (EDT)
:I would prefer either the human gets the "default" continuity tag with no further disambiguation or (human)/(robot) (with needed variations for disambiguation). The slash system is ugly to me. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:59, 22 April 2022 (EDT)
::I'm of the opinion that the slash option for both feels the most fair. While the human versions were the first and thus feel the most deserving of the "default" tag, the robot versions are likely to become more commonplace and relevant as newer fiction dips its toes into using more Japanese characters. On a similar note, it was decided not to give the "BW" tag to either BW Silverbolt out of fairness, so while a similar "human/robot" concept could be implemented, there is the problem with Minerva having an Animated counterpart who is also a robot, Cancer having an Animated counterpart who is also a human, there being a Kre-O Bullhorn who is also a robot, a G.I. Joe Lightfoot who is also a human, and an IDW Wilder who is also a human. "Minerva (Headmaster)" also doesn't work for the G1 robot since the human was a Headmaster too. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 16:29, 22 April 2022 (EDT)
::The slash system may not be entirely visually pleasant, but I consider having "Minerva (G1 robot)" in parentheses worse. In my proposal, all transtector characters would be unified symmetrically as "(robot)". [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:47, 24 April 2022 (EDT)

Here are three proposals to unify the namespaces:

Possibility 1: humans get nothing and robots get slashes

Bullhorn (G1), Cab, Cancer (G1), Clouder, Ginrai, Shūta Gō, Lightfoot (G1), Minerva (G1), Ranger, Road King, Wilder (G1)

Bullhorn (G1)/robot, Cab/robot, Cancer (G1)/robot, Doubleclouder, Ginrai/robot, Goshooter, Lightfoot (G1)/robot, Minerva (G1)/robot, Ranger/robot, Road King/robot, Wilder (G1)/robot

Possibility 2: both humans and robots get slashes

Bullhorn (G1)/human, Cab/human, Cancer (G1)/human, Clouder/human, Ginrai/human, Shūta Gō/human, Lightfoot (G1)/human, Minerva (G1)/human, Ranger/human, Road King/human, Wilder (G1)/human

Bullhorn (G1)/robot, Cab/robot, Cancer (G1)/robot, Doubleclouder, Ginrai/robot, Goshooter, Lightfoot (G1)/robot, Minerva (G1)/robot, Ranger/robot, Road King/robot, Wilder (G1)/robot

Possibility 3: both humans and robots get parentheses

Bullhorn (G1 human), Cab (human), Cancer (G1 human), Clouder, Ginrai (human), Shūta Gō, Lightfoot (G1 human), Minerva (G1 human), Ranger (human), Road King (human), Wilder (G1 human)

Bullhorn (G1 robot), Cab (robot), Cancer (G1 robot), Doubleclouder, Ginrai (robot), Goshooter, Lightfoot (G1 robot), Minerva (G1 robot), Ranger (robot), Road King (robot), Wilder (G1 robot)

Thoughts? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 01:12, 12 June 2022 (EDT)
:Isn't Option 1 one basically just a slightly different version of what we're already using and what you're proposing to change in the first place? Anyway, like I said above, Option 2 is the most fair between the human and robot depictions (as Option 1 feels like we're saying "The human versions are the more important versions" when it's the robot versions that are more likely to get any representation in future comic appearances), and it reduces the amount of multiple-word parentheses tags that we usually dislike using and try to avoid as best we can (which is the exact opposite of what Option 3 is proposing). Though, drop the "/human" from Clouder and Shūta Gō since their names already differ from "Doubleclouder" and "Goshooter". No need to complicate those two. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 08:45, 12 June 2022 (EDT)

==Transformers: Armada (Trading Card Collection)==
I recently discovered that Fleer published a Trading Card collection in 2003 for Transformers Armada.
I've documented everything I could find about it - including an Energon (preview) Scorponok card I got from a local retro game store.
[[Iacon0/Sandbox]]
Is it alright if I roll this out? [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 12:52, 1 May 2022 (EDT)

== WFC/FOC Reenergized Server Project info? ==

Info: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLO5yzrWE9yVT56Rgxl9oqntVysxWr2k7e

Basically, it brings back the multiplayer servers for the Cybertron games, PC and PS3. Should this be talked about in the pages for those games? (ROTDS and ROTF aren't online at the moment, and 360 versions won't have support) [[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]])}
:It's not official, so no, it shouldn't. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 14:54, 27 June 2022 (EDT)

== Handling of "former GoBots" and "former Diaclone" characters on the wiki ==

So recently we've been seeing multiple characters that had previously been portrayed as dimension-hoppers from non-Transformers realities, but using Transformers designs — [[Bug Bite (GoBots)]], [[Burn Out (Diaclone)]] and [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)]] — appearing as "normal" Transformers ([[Bug Bite (G1)]], [[Burn Out (Diaclone)]], [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)]]). There's some heavy dispute over whether we should put them on the same page or split them out (e.g. "since the GoBots Bug Bite isn't ''originally'' from a G1 universe, he shouldn't go on the G1 Bug Bite page), so I thought we should probably have a centralised place to put together a comprehensive set of standards.

My take, personally, is that GoBots and Diaclone are *not* continuity families, they're their own properties that happen to cross over with Transformers, and so shouldn't be split on that basis. I feel that Burn Out and Lift-Ticket, regardless of them being portrayed as Diaclone mecha in their initial appearance, are the same basic concept as the likes of Road Rage and Tigertrack — "Transformers versions" of existing Diaclone toys and decoes. It helps that [[Spin-Out (G1)]] inherently blurs the lines, having first appeared as a "normal" Transformer ''before'' he was portrayed as a former Diaclone mech.

For the GoBots characters, I'd frankly be tempted to go even more radical and just merge ''all'' of them — put all the [[Cy-Kill (disambiguation)|Cy-Kill]] cameos on one page, like we do for other external property characters. Even in the edge cases like [[Fracture (Movie)|Fracture]], there's the precedent of her actually being intended as just ''being'' the GoBot. It feels a lot simpler to me than the headache of having Bug Bite, the white Bumblebee who appeared in G1 stories, and Bug Bite, the ''other'' white Bumblebee who appeared in G1 stories, having separate pages on a technicality. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:57, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:Hard disagree on GoBots. By virtue of covering the Scioli comic in full, we have a GoBots continuity family to put them in. I say keep the ones who are explicitly GoBots at (GoBots), and put the ones who are Transformers (or ambiguous) at their respective continuity families. Basically, what we're doing for Bug Bite, do for all of them. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:23, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:I don't agree on movie-Fracture in specific and the mass-merge of ''all'' GoBots-based characters in general. Fracture's a movie-universe character who premiered in a movie-based toyline and appeared in movie-timeline fiction. "The toy was originally conceived as" holds very little water there in light of all the rest of that. I'm not wild about merging characters from different continuity families (aka "major franchise umbrellas", the point of that divide was always less "fiction-detail based" and more "real-world Hasbro/Takara starting over based" as an organizational tool), as that leans heavily towards the Wikipedia style "just lump 'em all together" manner that... doesn't really work for our scope. There's SG Bug Bite and Crasher too, I don't think they should go under a giant singular page for the character concept.
: But ''in general'' I agree with keeping stuff like Lift-Ticket and Burn Out together because the distinction is really too nitpicky to be useful. If we get an EarthSpark Lift-Ticket who is a red Hoist-like bot, then they can go on a separate page because "new major franchise umbrella" gives a decent degree of separation. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:25, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:: Oh, well, the SG GoBots are an obvious exception. If it's a "mirror universe" I feel like it should never share a page because the point is that it's the opposite.
:: That said, there are other nuances I admit I skimmed over — stuff like Wings Universe Cop-Tur, who's based on the original but is a secret genius and a good guy, I'm not sure he should be merged in. At the same time, though, splitting the Bug Bites feels disingenuous, and I'm not sure whether there's a good middle ground between "split 'em all" and "merge 'em all". --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 20:44, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:::I also agree there isn't really a good middle ground. But here's the thing: If GoBots wasn't a factor and it was just G1 and Cyberverse, we wouldn't be having this conversation. At the end of the day, they're from another IP, but they're also genuine Transformers characters, and thus they should remain split like other Transformers characters. And that includes treating the genuine GoBot incarnations as separate entities. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:51, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:::I am, honestly, not sold either way on splitting/merging re: the "very distinctly the Tonka GoBots who originated from the Tonka GoBots franchise". I feel that there are '''''definitely''''' some bots that should not be merged with the Tonkas, by virtue of being from different continuity-families/hub-franchises (bots from the live action movies and Cyberverse, for example, should really stay separate). I'm less concerned about "in-fiction origin" because that's a clusterfuck all its own since 1984 best just left alone and we already disregard that for like Nebulans and stuff anyway, though I'd also argue that like, it should be taken into consideration the diff between an homage and an iteration (I'd argue ''Timelines'' Cop-Tur is the former and probably shouldn't be merged). But even just looking at them from the real-world staggered integration of the franchises, GoBots ARE a weird edge case (whaaat, something Scioli was involved in got weird? ''nnnoooOOOOOooooo'') and it kinda feels off to not treat them as a separate thing given their ultimate origins. But like, they are, functionally, "G1" characters as far as "how they were brought to TF" goes in the real world, and I'm not convinced that splitting out WFC Bug Bite is really a good idea or terribly helpful. So like, I dunno. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 02:06, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::::And then there's the ''very'' unique case of GoBots Stretch having been given a retroactive backstory of being born in the world of Transformers Animated before he crossed dimensions and became a GoBot. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 02:23, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
:::::If anything, Stretch is a Transformer pretending to be a GoBot.
:::::The criteria that keep this wiki running and readable have always had some smudgy bits, and if you stare too long at any of them pretty soon all one sees is the smudge, not the dividing line or even the story itself. Cyberverse and Prime are each ''basically'' a retelling of G1, and if they didn't have a few features we've accepted as clear dividers from "real" G1, they could have gone within G1 just as much as the IDW comics have. The divisions are necessary to keep information from being a useless, unstructured, unnavigable mess; hopefully we can draw the lines in a way that comes to require the fewest exceptions later. '''My thoughts''': when there's a Bug Bite whose origin is explicitly "I'm not a Transformer, I'm hiding among them, creatures like myself find Transformers to be nauseating uncanny valley aliens," then that's a pretty extreme division, more extreme than many others we've been holding up for years without controversy, and should stay very much separate from any other Bug Bites who are just plain ol' white car Transformers. The various Cy-Kill cameos in G1 and Armada should stay separate, just because that's how we handle other hi-and-die cameos across firm storyline borders (Animated Overlord, SG Krok). I agreed at first with splitting the Burnouts/Lift-Tickets, but if it is really causing a huge dilemma I do not object to re-merging them. Each pair exists within the G1 storytelling universe. It is not essential that we build 2 different pages for G1 universe Lift-Tickets where one of them is a Diaclone mech and the other looks just like it and comes from someplace called Diaclone. We could paper that over with a "Note" explanation. The really important part is that both the Burn-Out and Lift-Ticket cases must get the same resolution. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 05:10, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
:I vote for split. I regret ever pushing for merging similar concepts around the time of ''Ask Vector Prime'' because a decade ago this wouldn't have been a question, it would have been settled with "obvious they're different characters." [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:38, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:Strongly in favor of putting the Diaclones back together so long as they remain essentially G1 guys. Especially since we now have ''two nigh-identical Burn-Out pages that differ only by which sliver of fiction section they possess''. Moderately in favor of putting all the dumb Cy-Kill cameos together because, like, it's only moderately funny to split out Cy-Kill (Armada) on a technicality. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:47, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:: I'm going to stay out of the Bugbite / Fracture question. I'm too involved on the creative side. I think Walky nails it about Burn-Out & Lift-Ticket. And probably the Cy-Kill cameos too. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 21:11, 29 July 2022 (EDT)

:I have to ask: if this is a concern, why did we split out the Cloud articles a month ago. Because they also are clearly designed to look like G1 characters, and aside from some minor changes in personality and dimension hopping stuff (which also applies to these three examples here), are near-identical in fiction to their Generation 1 counterparts. What makes them different from Bug Bite, Burn Out, and Lift-Ticket? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:29, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::Lead Cloud translator here. As we discussed in-depth at the time, the Cloud characters do nothing *but* dimension hop and frequently cross over with the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity and their own G1 incarnations, rendering them nigh unintelligible when buried in A-list G1 articles. The Cloud issue was one of logistics and readability, not one on the philosophy of intrinsic "G1-ness," as I believe was said at the time. I would also argue something on the scale of Cloud is a different discussion entirely from the current topic of merging two one-paragraph articles.

::On a most practical level re-merging a thoroughly deliberated and reasonably large scale split from a couple months ago just strikes me as kind of a waste of community resources.

::For those that missed it the impetus was translating the other 80-90% of the prose and the discussion can be found [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Splitting_Cloud_characters|here]]. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:40, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

Had a brainwave about a potential way to handle the GoBots characters—as a compromise between "treating them like full Transformers characters" and "treating them like external properties", use the GoBots page as a "hub" for the others. I've mocked up a couple of sandboxes for [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Cy-Kill|Cy-Kill]] and [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Bug Bite|Bug Bite]]. Any thoughts? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:16, 31 July 2022 (EDT)
:If we absolutely have to (which I still really don't agree with) I'd prefer this over full fledged merging. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:02, 31 July 2022 (EDT)
:I think this is a good compromise. The important thing is that there's a clear delineation between the dimension-hopping GoBots and native Cybertronians, and I think this fits the bill. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:03, 31 July 2022 (EDT)
::I still don't like the idea of rolling in the ''Cyberverse'' Bug Bite or any other not-G1-franchise iterations on the GB character concepts (like movieverse Fracture), even in the proposed super-abridged-and-linked-to-main-article format. For the appearances within the franchise of TF-origin, sure, I think this works. Cy-Kill's multiverse of murder... ehn. I'm not really feeling strongly either way but like we got hi-then-die charcater micropages aplenty, I don't think Cy is something terribly unique to not get them. Like... we got a page for "the many deaths of Optimus Prime", I feel like "the many deaths of Cy-Kill" could probably stand to be its own thing if we REALLY wanted to hammer the point of how stupid and hack it is home. Which, come to think about it, I kinda DO. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:42, 31 July 2022 (EDT)
:::Ah, see, Fracture was something I was specifically thinking of here — I thought it would work to accomodate both the original intent and how she's been tied back to Crasher in <s>Jim's nonsense</s> fan-targeted media while still respecting the practical reality of Fracture as her own, movieverse character. That said, I do understand your reluctance, so if the majority is against this I'm not too fussed. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:22, 1 August 2022 (EDT)
:::Yeah, it feels like "Bug Bite, the white Bumblebee" is its own Transformers thing at this point. He may have originated as a GoBots transplant (both in real life and in fiction), but that doesn't automatically make every iteration of Bug Bite a GoBot, any more than every subsequent iteration of Lockdown or Lugnut is considered an Animated character. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 04:34, 1 August 2022 (EDT)
::::I appreciate the work Riptide put into this and like the writing / presentation style employed... and I just still don't think it's necessary. Between disambigs and "You Look Familiar...", we already have ways to cope with characters who look alike across different continuities but who aren't the same character. Most of these transplanted GoBots are absolutely not the same characters as each other - most of the Cy-Kill cameos, Cyberverse Bug Bite. There is no need for us to build a new way to unite those cross-continuity characters when nothing unites them more than the "basic concepts" that we've kept separate on hundreds of other name / appearance reuses. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:43, 1 August 2022 (EDT)
::I adore this brain blast, over and above what I proposed below (as it actually accommodates, in Cy-Kill's case, say, the ''Armada/TransTech/Animated'' cameos), and think the fact that people on both sides of this polarising issue aren't immediately opposed to it makes it strike me as a really good compromise. I still would prefer the ''Diaclone'' pages to be merged with their G1 counterparts, but whether or not it's a full merge or just the "main article" structure here, the intro phrasing proposed with Cy-Kill and Bug-Bite is perfect in my opinion. The key thing for me is that, when people look up info on Cy-Kill or Burn Out, they still find a pointer to the relevant information at the exact point they'd expect it to be, and not only that, but they can chart the entire conceptual history of the character on one page (I know the disambigs theoretically do the same, but in practise Jo's approach is much more effective). Assuming the same policy isn't applied to ''Uprising'' appearances, I still think something should be done about those—but otherwise I'd be very happy with this. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:16, 1 August 2022 (EDT)

So as I understand it, the consensus is that Diaclone characters should share a page with their G1 counterparts, and that — at least for the moment — GoBot characters should be left as-is, with White Bumblebee's G1 adventures split between the GoBot and G1 pages? Would appreciate some more input before we begin implementing this. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:09, 2 August 2022 (EDT)
:I still don't like the Diaclone thing but clearly I'm outvoted. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:48, 2 August 2022 (EDT)
:More or less. I'm fine with rolling G1 WFC Bug Bite in with the explicitly-GoBots one in the manner test-bedded above on the same grounds as the whole "Nebulan/Cybertronian" deal with Targetmaster gun-bots we've done forever; I think the proposed format both works with the way we've handled disparate depictions between different fictions within the same franchise chunk for a very long time now while noting the important real-world issues with these transplanted characters. And it's not like the combo page would be anywhere near big enough to make a split-out necessary. But I'm willing to table that for the moment while moving ahead with rolling the Diaclones back in. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:15, 2 August 2022 (EDT)
::I agree with this completely. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 08:11, 3 August 2022 (EDT)
:Diaclone characters should share pages with G1 counterparts who are also canonically said to be Diaclone-y. If we ever get a "Gobots Universe Bug Bite" that would be merged too - but just "white car Bug Bite" should not. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:21, 3 August 2022 (EDT)

==Proposal re: G1 pages==
I'm not expecting anything other than a hard "no" on this from the vast majority of editors, but a few people impelled me to post it, so here goes. In particular, I think this perspective is one held by many casual readers of the wiki. As I said over on [[Talk:Burn Out (Diaclone)|Burn Out's talk page]], I think both camps feel a sense of "''obviously'' these are (not) the same character", depending on whether they're coming from a strictly in-universe perspective or not. I want to put that whole discussion into an even broader perspective. Plus, I think the list of characters below is an interesting resource in its own right.

For ages, the wiki's had it so G1 appearances of characters originating in ''Robots in Disguise''—such as [[Sky-Byte (RID)]]—just get put on those pages. My understanding is that RID was considered something of a special case, because of how it was originally conceived as an in-continuity G1 thing, and remained such in Japanese continuity. For a less-prominent example, see also ''[[Power Core Combiners]]'', which similarly lists the IDW G1 appearances of [[Smolder (PCC)]] and [[Steamhammer (PCC)]] just on those pages. Again, this was a special case, because PCC was never concretely established as being a live-action movieverse thing or a G1 thing (which makes sense, because in Hasbro's eyes at the time, that wasn't a distinction that mattered to them).

There are other areas on the wiki that take a continuity-agnostic approach; I think it's just character pages that are handled so strictly. Check out [[Noisemaze Mass Production Type Version]]—which honestly ''is'' a character page in every way that matters—for a recently-made-relevant-again example. For many bigger-picture concept pages, a similar approach is used to great effect: [[Transformation]], [[Scanning]], [[Energon]], [[Protoform]], [[Spark]], [[Living metal]], [[Mini-Con]], [[Energon mutation]], just to grab a few random examples.

To draw attention to one last point, which I predict will resonate a lot with people who already agree with me and not at all with people who don't: any and all ''Beast Wars'' or ''Beast Machines'' original characters are exempt from this issue—despite, on a real-world level, there not really being any difference between those franchises and the likes of ''Armada'' or ''Animated''. It's just the lore connection that keeps it tethered, despite the wiki treating it as its ''own'' continuity family in basically every other way that matters.

My specific proposal is this: '''for characters originating ''outside of G1'', don't keep separate G1 pages.''' Treat those characters as we do Sky-Byte, ignoring the "continuity family" divide, and put the appearances on the page where they're most relevant. Here are the salient benefits of this approach:
*Have all the information on many popular post-G1 characters in the place where most casual readers would expect to look.
*Cut the Gordian knot of the GoBots/Diaclone debate.
*Finally ditch all those (BWU) pages consisting of a single sentence and a duplicated toy entry.
*Fewer redundant toy writeups which need to be maintained in parallel.
*Far, far fewer awkward paragraphs in Notes sections talking about "continuity transplants" like those are a real thing.

Here is a list of pages which I think would be affected, sorted by continuity, just from an hour or so of searching:
*'''''Diaclone''''': [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)]], [[Burn Out (Diaclone)]]
*'''''GoBots''''': [[Bug Bite (G1)]], [[Crasher (G1)]], [[Cy-Kill (G1)]], [[Leader-1 (G1)]], [[Rest-Q (G1)]], [[Cop-Tur (G1)]] (!)
*'''''Armada''''': [[Hot Shot (G1)]], [[Red Alert (IDW)]], [[Demolisher (G1)]], [[Tidal Wave (G1)]], [[Sideways (RM)]] (!), [[Treadshot (IDW)]]
*'''''Energon''''': [[Steam Hammer]], [[Doom-Lock (BWU)]], [[Avalon (BWU)]]
*'''''Cybertron''''': [[Override (BWU)]], [[Ransack (IDW)]], [[Wing Saber (BWU)]], [[Cannonball (G1)]], [[Signal Lancer (G1)]], [[Shortround (BWU)]]
*'''Movies''': [[Barricade (IDW)]], [[Black-Out]], [[Reckage]], [[Hatchet (BWU)]], [[Breacher (G1)]], [[Terradive (G1)]], [[Hailstorm (G1)]], [[Skipjack (BWU)]], [[Sea Spray (BWU)]], [[Fearswoop (BWU)]], [[Depthcharge (BWU)]], [[Rav (BWU)]], [[Evac (BWU)]], [[Drydock (BWU)]], [[Photon (BWU)]]
*'''''Animated''''': [[Bulkhead (G1)]] (!), [[Lugnut (TF 2010)]], [[Lockdown (G1)]], [[Slipstream (G1)]] (!), [[Oil Slick (G1)]], [[Lightbright (G1)]], [[Lickety-Split (G1)]]
*'''''TransTech''''': [[Ego (BWU)]]
*'''''War for Cybertron''''': [[Contrail (BWU)]], [[Sigil (BWU)]], [[Halogen (G1)]], [[Gauntlet (BWU)]]
*'''''Prime''''': [[Knock Out (G1)]], [[Breakdown (IDW)]], [[Airachnid (G1)]], [[Predaking (Kingdom)]], [[Ser-Ket (BWU)]], [[Rot Gut (BWU)]], [[Twinstrike (BWU)]], [[Gaidora (BWU)]], [[Budora (BWU)]], [[Darksteel (BWU)]], [[Vertebreak (BWU)]], [[Grimwing (BWU)]], [[Blackbeak (BWU)]], [[Judora (BWU)]]
*'''''Rescue Bots''''': [[Medix (G1)]]
*'''''Robots in Disguise''''': [[Strongarm (G1)]], [[Thunderhoof (BWU)]], [[Bisk (BWU)]], [[Paralon (BWU)]], [[Quillfire (BWU)]], [[Scatterspike (G1)]], [[Ped (BWU)]], [[Psychobat (BWU)]], [[Headlock (G1)]], [[Springload (BWU)]], [[Transit (G1)]], [[Fracture (Cybertron)]], [[Snitch (BWU)]], [[Razorgrille (BWU)]]
*'''''Cyberverse''''': [[Shadow Striker (G1)]], [[Croaton (G1)]], [[Meteorfire (G1)]], [[Wildwheel (G1)]]
*'''''Transformers Online''''': [[Doomwings (G1)]], [[Ursa Major (G1)]], [[Astral Knight (BWU)]], [[Psychic Shortstop (BWU)]], [[Wrath Thunder (BWU)]], [[Deep Blue (BWU)]]
*'''Mini-Cons''': (deep breath) [[Synapse (BWU)]], [[Black Out]], [[Twirl (G1)]], [[Steamhammer (BWU)]], [[Sky Blast (G1)]], [[Sureshock (G1)]], [[Flat-Out (BWU)]], [[Six-Speed (BWU)]], [[Zapmaster (BWU)]], [[Crumplezone (BWU)]], [[Cannon (BWU)]], [[Bulge (BWU)]], [[Bomb (BWU)]], [[Shot (BWU)]], [[Crack (BWU)]], [[Thunderblast (BWU)]], [[Wreckage (BWU)]], [[Bonecrusher (BWU)]], [[Broadside (BWU)]], [[Tankor (BWU)]], [[Caliburn (BWU)]], [[Torque (BWU)]], [[Bilge (BWU)]], [[Search (BWU)]], [[Refute (BWU)]], [[Kingbolt (BWU)]], [[Starcatcher (BWU)]], [[Clench (BWU)]], [[Run-Over (BWU)]], [[Deepdive (BWU)]], [[Astro-Sinker (BWU)]], [[Snow Cat (BWU)]], [[Draft (BWU)]], [[Screw (BWU)]], [[Aston (BWU)]] (deep sigh)
*'''Other''': [[Terrastar (BWU)]], [[Hyperborea (BWU)]], [[Alchemor (BWU)]], [[Minion of Unicron (BWU)]]
I assuredly missed some, so feel free to edit the lists above to add any other characters that would be affected by this proposal which are omitted!

Again, the vast majority of these are from ''Beast Wars Uprising'', which does have some weird lingering cases that would need further individual discussion, I think: [[Clobber (BWU)]], [[Apex (BWU)]], [[Offshoot (BWU)]], [[Cybaxx (BWU)]], [[Overbite (BWU)]], and [[Terrorcon (BWU)]]. But for the most part, I really don't see any reason why there should be all these tiny nothing pages; the only reason all those Mini-Cons were not called Mini-Cons is that in the ''Uprising'' universe, Mini-Cons are called Micromasters instead (which is the lore equivalent of "[[Barricade (G1)]] doesn't look like he's made of knives"). This is even ''less'' an irreconcilable lore detail than, for example, the organic/robotic split for Targetmasters and the like. My main goal with sharing this is to revisit the ''Uprising'' policy, because from where I'm sitting, it's resulted in exactly the same horribly inconvenient setup as the ''Diaclone'' stuff. A different, specific policy there would deal with most of the examples above, and I'd be very happy; what I've suggested is just a one-size-fits-all policy.

The weirdest victim of this stated policy, I think, is that of [[Bulkhead (G1)]], who technically originated with Animated, but whose appearances in G1 media have all drawn specifically from the ''Prime'' version. [[Slipstream (G1)]] is in a similar situation. I guess my proposal here would be to actually split the G1 content across the various pages: [[Slipstream (Animated)]], [[Slipstream (WFC)]] and [[Slipstream (Cyberverse)]], depending on which specific version is being depicted. That means all of the Bulkhead appearances would actually go on the ''Prime'' page. I really don't feel strongly on this detail, though. [[Cop-Tur (G1)]], as mentioned in the above discussion, is another edge case. One more strange case ''not'' listed above is that of [[Emissary (IDW)]], who homages the ''Robots in Disguise'' character but genuinely has what I'd consider to be a radically different portrayal, likely inspired as much by the ''Titans Return'' figure as anything.

To be clear, I consider G1 a special case because of how it's a catch-all label for anything that isn't Hasbro's newest ground-up reboot du jour. Like it or not, G1 usually doesn't actually mean "G1" any more, it just means ''Transformers''. I absolutely wouldn't want to start merging anything from other continuity families—that way pure madness lies. But I think this proposal has clear-cut criteria for inclusion, and would feel more consistent with other areas of existing wiki policy. To give a specific, relevant example: I don't think [[Fracture (Movie)]]'s appearances should be folded onto her merged ''GoBots'' page as some have suggested, ''but'' I do think her toy writeup should be on both without any "blah blah repurposed" hedging, and likewise for the other movieverse characters based on redecos designed by [[Joe Kyde]] contemporaneously with Classics and Universe with specific G1 characters (mostly Micromasters) in mind, some of which were even intended to be released as part of the ''Universe'' toyline. These being: [[Fracture (Movie)]], [[Big Daddy (Movie)]], [[Jolt (Movie)]], [[Grindcore (Movie)]], [[Breakaway (Movie)]], and [[Crankcase (Movie)]]. [[Mudflap (Movie)]] and [[Inferno (Movie)]] are basically the exact same but nobody ever talks about that.

Finally, I think [[Gigatron (G1)]]/[[Overlord (G1)]], [[Zaptrap]]/[[Kuwagatrer]], and [[Rotorbolt (Timelines)]]/[[Skyklik]]/[[Fumes]] should prrrooobably be revisited? In the former two cases, they exist due to niche media establishing them as separate individuals within the same continuity, but we already have precedent for dealing with that—see [[Hot Shot (G1)]]. I will concede that the Rotorbolt situation is quite funny.

I understand that the wiki is structured the way it is for good reasons, but the post-[[Evergreen]] state of the franchise is one where most writers are plucking characters from anywhere in the franchise's history without any significant changes to their depiction. The existing policy will only become more cumbersome as time goes on, in my eyes—I know for many editors, the list of pages above is a horrible scary list of Exceptions, but from where I'm sitting, they feel more like exceptions as they already stand? —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 07:25, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
:As someone who is basically sympathetic to your goals and not knee-jerk opposed to the idea, this:
:::"Slipstream (G1) is in a similar situation. I guess my proposal here would be to actually split the G1 content across the various pages: Slipstream (Animated), Slipstream (WFC) and Slipstream (Cyberverse), depending on which specific version is being depicted."
:is the worst thing I've ever read. Just, why? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 08:14, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::I was mostly being glib, I don't have a good answer there! Just wanted to draw attention to the fact that it ''would'' be a problem with the proposal. It's also been pointed out that all of [[Lockdown (G1)|Lockdown]]'s appearances are visually based on the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' toy! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 08:56, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

:Absolutely not. There's so much here that's based on false assumptions/incorrect information that I absolutely refuse to take any of this seriously. Concepts are on the same page because they are just that: concepts. There's so much to pick apart here but because I have important things to do, I'll just say that right now, the only reason why there was ''ever'' any confusion over Power Core Combiners is because fans took behind the scenes information from the company overly literally. You actually look at the one piece of information about the toyline (the brief history provided directly by Hasbro the club) and it makes it abundantly clear that it was always meant to be movieverse; I even argued back at the time about Smoulder and Steamhammer being put on that page, and the only reason why it's still that way is because the argument just fizzled out. And once again, I really have to ask: why the hell are we pushing forward merges based on "vibes" when we still keep the Sideways' (someone who is actually said in fiction to all be the same guy) apart based on moronic, petty reasons? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:01, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

:Yeah, no, sorry, I think this is ultimately unhelpful and going to cause more accessibility issues than it solves. "The wiki sorts the brand into broad franchise-based chunks (G1/BW, UT, movie, etc), and characters are split up by which of those chunks they appeared in" is perhaps a little confusing to new readers, but it's ultimately fairly self-consistent and easy to navigate once you understand the basic concept; "The wiki sorts the brand into broad franchise-based chunks (G1/BW, UT, movie, etc), and characters are split up by which of those chunks they appeared in, with the exception of RID01 which shares its pages with G1, and any latter-day characters imported into G1, which go on the pages of their non-G1 incarnations" is very confusing and requires you to be deep in the sauce to understand which characters are and are not exceptions to the rule. I obviously think that flexibility of the system is a good thing — the RID/G1 merge, while less than ideal, is definitely the best way to solve a very unintuitive issue — but the more holes we poke in the tower the closer it comes to collapsing, if you catch my drift.
:Ultimately I think the occasional silliness of "Shadow Striker (G1) who is identical to Shadow Striker (Cyberverse)" and such is the price we pay for having any structure whatsoever. The more we make exceptions on the basis of ultimately arbitrary "well this one's SO similar" the less consistent the wiki overall gets, and the harder it gets to navigate. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 09:40, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::Basically, this. And I don't even think that drawing the franchise-based chunk distinction is all that confusing given I think most people grok the idea that characters will pop up across sub-fictions of major multi-media franchises with varying levels of similarity to prior incarnations that are still "oh, it's a wholly separate storyline, okay". That's just how these things ''do''. (and like "multiverse" has kinda become a ''thing'' in other franchises the last several years) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 10:00, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

:"We've always put RID guys appearing in G1 as still being the RID character, look at Sky Byte" - what other examples make this an "always"? There WERE two Sky Byte pages, for years. We only stopped having a Sky-Byte (G2) when its character model in the IDW G1 comic was explicitly based off the new T30 toy sculpt which wound up with like half of these separate articles duplicating each other. It was argued on that talk page for a long while. The only other case I can think of at all is Gigatron (G1), and we ''don't'' treat him like Megatron (RID).
:"We treat BW as a continuity family like Armada, it looks like we are showing favoritism to them" - we treat it like a franchise within G1, which is what it is. And we disambig by franchise, not by continuity family. "Chase (RB)", not "Chase (Aligned)" or "Chase (Prime)". This was one of the concerns I raised last year when we turned Victory, Masterforce et al into G1 because they had no separate box branding of their own, wait it turned out they did, welp whattaya gonna do, no backsies.
:'''Last but MOST''', I'd say that, yes, "lore connections" mean a great deal here, it is a feature not a bug. This is a fiction-centric wiki as surely as it's an English-centric one. We put character writeups first, above the toys. We give the toys the character names and say "his stickers", not "its stickers" and talk about how it represents the character, not about how many micrograms of silicon it contains. Separating characters because they come from different storyline eras / offerings is entirely normal and reasonable for us. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:43, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::I don't disagree in general, but G1/IDW Gigatron DOES share a page with RID Megatron. [[Gigatron (G1)]] is the Overlord repurpose. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 09:49, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
:::Oof. Don't know why I clearly remembered them as being separate, but in any case I regret the error. Thank you.--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:14, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
There's no way to organize something like this place without something somewhere seeming arbitrary. I think the existing structure is arbitrary in the best way that makes the most sense, and trying to "mitigate" that arbitrariness just creates different arbitrariness. A lot of this "but what if we redid all this to fix this particular thing" shuffling just relitigates why we already do the stuff we already do. so, like: no --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 09:54, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

== The Discord ==

Alright, seriously, we need to talk about this. It is beyond frustrating that a greater than 50% chunk of discussion about what big edits will happen on the wiki are happening on an app that people either aren't on or (in my case) aren't allowed on. I was told it was going to just to get voices onto things but that clearly isn't how it's working out. We need either some sort of archival dump of all these posts or something because I'm tired of getting into arguments where half the responses haven't even happened on the main site itself. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:45, 17 August 2022 (EDT)
: I think you're drastically overestimating how much discussion about big edits is happening on the Discord. No actual big decisions are getting made there, and we make it a point to repeatedly remind people that discussion for major changes needs to happen here before anything gets decided. But we also can't stop anyone from simply talking about things there the same way we couldn't stop discussion on the AllSpark thread when that was a thing, and having a public log of discussions from the editing channel is both infeasible and frankly unnecessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:09, 17 August 2022 (EDT)

==Designer bylines on toy writeups==

As those of us who have been tuning in to the [[Hasbro Pulse#Livestreams|Hasbro Pulse livestreams]] have no doubt noticed, one side effect of the unprecedented transparency of the current team on the ''Generations'' franchise is that we are now pretty consistently being blasted with a fire hose of toy designer credits. While there's been a scramble to record them on the designers' pages as best we can, this rapidly growing body of information is not doing the average reader a whole lot of good sequestered away on pages that require them to already know the designers by name. As such, I've put together a template to act as a designer byline for relevant toy write-ups, largely following the formatting of our existing voice actor template.

Documentation for the prototype template which I've named '''<nowiki>{{toydesigner}}</nowiki>''' can be found here:

*[[:Template:Toydesigner]]

And a variety of examples of implementation can be found here:

*[[User:AzimuthAcolyte/Sandbox/Toy credits demo]]

Is this something we would be interested in implementing?

Questions, concerns, suggestions etc are welcome. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:33, 22 August 2022 (EDT)

:I support adding this template, it's valid information and helps put names and faces in a historically anonymous industry due to the lack of credits in the products themselves.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:38, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
::I think this is a great idea. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:52, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
:::I really like it. The only possible negative is that unless a whole bunch of people are very dedicated to this (or one brave soul is ''extremely'' dedicated to it) we might end up seeing it only appear on a small handful of toy entries and most will never feature it. I vote for going ahead with it regardless.
:::While we are addressing the "designer credits" issue, can we also please find a better phrase to use on the designer pages than "Toys So-and-so is known to have had a hand in creating"? It's just so overwrought. I think "Design Team Credits Include:" gets the point across much more naturally.... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:54, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
::::This is a fair point. Maybe something as blunt as "Known Design Work" mirroring the "Published Works" thing we use for writers/artists? -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:17, 25 August 2022 (EDT)
:Looks good to me. Hope we can scrounge together sources and lists for older design teams too. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 15:05, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
::I can't see any reason not to do this. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:05, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
:I'm not a toy person, but that looks really cool! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:23, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
Oh wow, I'm blown away by the universally positive reception here! If there are no concerns in the next few days I guess I'll get started rolling this out. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:17, 25 August 2022 (EDT)
:Alrighty it's been a fair bit with no further concerns, so I have pushed the template live to [[:Template:Toydesigner]] and will begin implementing it as I have time. Any and all help is appreciated, as this will of course be a huge job. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 16:13, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

== Wiki Toy Photo Quality Standards ==
So we know (and had long suspected anyway) that Hasbro designers are sometimes pulling Wiki photos for reference. That's great, but we've got some toy photography on here that's a good bit off from what the figures look like in reality for one reason or another. Is there any way to flag shots that are out of whack so that they might get tweaked or replaced? This issue comes to mind since, while I've been here more or less since the Wiki started, I don't recall there being a formal set of standards for photos since it just wasn't really a big deal before now. Oversaturation is my main complaint, since one user a long while ago was going through, taking existing shots into Photoshop and oversaturating the hell out of them without regard to the actual toy, and I've noticed some updated photography like [[Prowl (Magnaboss)]] that does basically the same. It's a larger photo, but that Prowl is definitely not blazing yellow in person. Apologies in advance and please disregard if this has already been discussed elsewhere or before.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 16:10, 24 August 2022 (EDT)
:For the record, my lighting set up is very warm, hence why Prowl's colours appear so bright. I haven't figured out the right balance in Photoshop to get the colours of figures to look spot on so figures either appear too bright or too dull in the finished product. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 17:30, 24 August 2022 (EDT)
::Oh, I'm not intending to put you on the spot, that's just the first example I had on hand of a wider issue that we probably need to start being careful about since it appears to be (hilariously) affecting actual figures now, like Titans Return PMOP or Legacy Iguanus. When it was the one guy tweaking things to be inaccurate "because it looked better", I could follow him and revert stuff, but I can't when there's nothing to revert in most cases.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2022 (EDT)
::I recommend ring lights, you can get some pretty cheap, they've good at spreading light out rather than heavy-focus, and they have adjustable brightness and warm/cool light settings: use "cool" (aka white/blue-tinted). Even before I got ring lights, I used "cool" light bulbs in the lamps. The problem is these are nowhere as common as the "normal" yellow-tinted bulbs, thus, go with the ring lights.
::As for "standards"... well, good luck with that. Every camera's a little different. Every MONITOR is a little different. Hell, I have a double-monitor setup with different models and they have small but distinct differences in brightness & etc; honestly I'm good with it since it lets me check how things may look to different people. But I think maybe a tag for photos that we are CERTAIN are too far off from final product (be they user-made or stock images) may not be a bad idea. Assuming we notice. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:44, 24 August 2022 (EDT)
:::Yeah, a tag we can throw on to a photo just to make it at least visible that it's incorrect would be useful. And would probably prompt a deco designer to gather some secondary reference material, assuming the tag's obvious. I like the idea.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 16:29, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::I've noticed that the quality of the UT stuff in the toys section flunctuates greatly-- for example, ML Starscream still uses the guidebook picture, and Superlink ver of the combining Optimus downright doesn't exist. I've started to collect UT toys since Hasbro has been updating UT stuff with more commitment and I have 0 faith in them doing it right, and most of the stuff I've gotten are the JP versions. For minor alterations like ML/ Armada Megs, is it worth uploading a completely new picture of ML Megatron onto his page? Another issue worth regarding discussing is "cartoon accuracy". Whilst Hasbro is indeed working on making more accurate figures, they obviously aren't 100% accurate, like 86 starscream using the commonly accepted G1 logo instead of the sunbow accurate one with the spike in the middle, and even from a sculpt and proportional standppint the ER mold is far from accurate compared to the sunbow model, let alone MP52. I actually cleaned up the page for TM2 Megatron because he deviates pretty heavily if you compare the CG model to the final toy, and changed the claim that Skids is "toon" accurate as he is blantently based on the original toy in deco. The same goes for Starscream, aside from the forearms and forehead hes blatently based on the T30 toy. I also had to edit that bit --[[User: Pixelmaster|Pixelmaster]] 3:31 HKT

==Reconsolidating some of our pages==
This is something I've been thinking about for a while, but I'd like to propose re-merging some of our excessively split articles back into something more manageable. It seems like that once a page is split out, a) we get a lot less editorial oversight, as the recent toy page trimming has revealed, b), stuff does not get updated nearly as often as they would be on their respective mainpages, and c) it makes information harder to find by pushing it behind a subpage that's not readily accessible.

Obviously I understand that splits are necessary for the really long pages like [[Optimus Prime (G1)]], [[Megatron (G1)]], and soforth, but when you get down to like, [[Mirage (G1)]] or [[Hound (G1)]] or [[Hot Shot (Armada)]], there's barely anything of any significance on their main pages beyond Dreamwave or the odd IDW cameo. Are, for instance, [[Ravage (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ravage]]'s Marvel adventures that major that they can't fit into the main page? Are [[Hook (G1)/toys|Hook]] or [[Warpath (G1)#Toys|Warpath]] really that inundated with toys that they need their own subpage? If it's a problem of just ''length'', then a lot of the subpaged articles or mainpage stuff like the storybooks could just be trimmed down into something more manageable—as I did with G1 Cliffjumper's Marvel section earlier this year. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 17:00, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:I 100% agree with this. --[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 17:04, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
: Fully in favour. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:20, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
: Sub-pages should, on their own, be significantly sizable pages to justify making readers link-jump. A dozen toys does not strike me as remotely enough to justify a subpage split. Being ''in'' a major long-running fiction but mostly having appearances in a minority of installments that can be summed up in two sentences doesn't justify a split. New editing tools are fun and all, but just 'cuz you gotta new hammer doesn't mean you have to go hunting for anything that looks vaguely nail-like. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:18, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

== Incoming maintenance ==

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== Foreign names ==

A dispute came up recently on the [[Megatron (ES)]] page. User:Kiké Prime has been providing Hungarian names for all the characters, but this one apparently is just "Megatron". Cyberlink420 removed it. I disputed it, pointing out that not listing it leaves the implication that we do not know the name of the character in the language. Despite having my reversion again reverted, I still find deliberately leaving blanks in our name lists odd. I am thus bringing the matter here for further discussion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:16, 5 December 2022 (EST)
:My understanding has always been that we only add foreign names if they are different from the English name. Per pages like [[Megatron (G1)]], this includes examples where the name is the same, but is spelled with a diacritic or using a different alphabet. So "Megatron" wouldn't be different enough to justify inclusion, but examples like Mégatron, Megatrón, Мегатрон and メガトロン would. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:10, 5 December 2022 (EST)

== Nonbinary Character Category ==

So, we now have another nonbinary character (who actually used their pronouns during the media no less), [[Nightshade (ES)|Nightshade]] from [[Transformers: EarthSpark (franchise)|Earthspark]] (Nightshade at time of posting doesn't have a page yet)! The other fully for certain fully intentional one is [[Screwball]] from [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] while [[Acid Storm (Cyberverse)|Acid Storm]] was at least an out of media by writer retcon of animation, and [[Overlord_(G1)#Ask_Vector_Prime|Overlord's]] gender is somewhat nebulous on where that fits beyond being gender expansive due to being [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#December 23, 2015|"what some would call genderfluid"]] but that at least puts us at three. Given that we have a trans category now we thought it best to at this point suggestion a nonbinary category for the sake of users (including gender expansive people) easily finding nonbinary characters on here. Obviously adding Nightshade will have to wait until they have a page but any thoughts on this yea or nay? [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 18:28, 8 December 2022 (EST)
:I forgot about Screwball. I think with three confirmed examples, even without the edge case of Overlord, that's probably enough to justify one. Care will have to be taken, however, to only include confirmed examples and not use it as a dumping ground for any character whose gender has never been explicitly identified. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:37, 8 December 2022 (EST)
::Authorial intent and all, but I can say that if I had the option to go back and rewrite it I would have used the term non binary for Overlord. I feel like Acid Storm is more of an edge case; it’s what one person said on their account to justify it. Whenever Acid Storm actually says something they’re animated with a female face; it’s not done at random.[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:47, 8 December 2022 (EST)
:::Acid Storm changes from masculine male to feminine female and back. Gender-fluid, sure, but definitely non-binary? As for Overlord, in the Legends manga Mega gives Overlord a female-presenting face - is there a pronoun change during that time? Would we have more candidates for inclusion in a Gender-fluid category first? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 20:17, 8 December 2022 (EST)
:::::Thank for the notes folks, that does help to piece this together! Just want to note that a pronoun change is not necessary for a gender being experienced in fluidity to be the one expressed or what have you, so unless the Legends manga actually has some sort of statement about Overlord's fluidity that kind of puts us back with an umbrella term of nonbinary (which we are unsure as not having read the Legends manga if that would work for that Overlord so we can't speak to where/if Overlord falls under gender expansiveness beyond the fact that Overlord's presentation changes depending on the binary bond partner right?). Acid Storm is an edge case yes but if we do count the edge case that they are we think it is worth noting that for Acid Storm what Catt said was specifically that changing expression is just something they do, and "any pronouns" work for Acid Storm, no statement about the binary. Of course, we only see two faces which are the two different Seeker faces that were otherwise delineated by gender, but at this point we're getting into the opt-in thing of 'x person is genderfluid and thus considers themself nonbinary' or 'z person is genderfluid and only considers themself as under the multigender umbrella'. Which we don't have detail on really if Acid Storm is genderfluid as how they know themselves right? Because that's just a thing that was written in the Female Transformers page because of (no blame being given, it's understandable) the user finding that to be the term that fit best? Feel like we've ended up just pointing out an need for just a gender expansive category instead but ah well. [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 21:46, 1 January 2023 (EST)
::::::We seem to have killed this with a non-solution for the nonbinary category by pointing out that gender expansive is more certain than saying genderfluid. If we count Nightshade, Overlord, and Screwball, is that a go on nonbinary, or should we just have a gender expansive category at this point that would also be one trans characters use? For people wondering what gender expansive means you can find a definition here https://www.diversitystyleguide.com/glossary/gender-expansive/ https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/08/gender-expansive-mean/ [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 23:18, 6 February 2023 (EST)
:::::::Respectfully, I think needing to invoke a glossary suggests the term is so little-used in common parlance that it would not be useful for our needs and style. We don't have a category tag at the bottom of a bunch of BW characters saying "tetrapods" or "perissodactyls" (we ''do'' talk like that on [[Popular beast alternate modes]], maybe a grouping ''page'' would be a better approach? Just a thought...). If we are looking for a category tag I think it would be better to find the term that unambiguously covers the largest number of candidates, without a need to rely on edge cases, maintaining both accuracy and readability. I see three characters that could sensibly go in a Gender-fluid tag, one that could go in a Non-binary tag (meaning we wouldn't make the latter). We may be facing a case where there are few enough disparate examples that there isn't one single category tag that usefully unites them. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:55, 7 February 2023 (EST)
::::::::With the most recent block of EarthSpark episodes having further explored Nightshade's character and introduced a new nonbinary character in the form of Sam (this also saw the term nonbinary used in the show for the first time), we have been discussing the topic of introducing a Nonbinary characters category on the Discord. Doing some research, AVP also confirmed the Tigerhawk of Primax 496.22 Alpha (the Beast Wars cartoon continuity) to be nonbinary, so that's another character to justify that category. It's been suggested by an expert on the matter that we could introduce a "Gender expansive characters" category as an umbrella category, with Genderfluid characters, Nonbinary characters, and Transgender characters existing as subcategories as a way of future-proofing our coverage of gender expansive characters, while also ensuring we don't lump every gender expansive character together into a single broad category and hopefully making these concepts easier to navigate for casual readers. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 17:26, 4 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::In sequence you replied to my post of Feb 7 but seem to have side-stepped the part where I questioned the usefulness of a category tag that will not be widely understood. Also, creating such a category exactly ''is'' "lumping them all together into a single broad category." So is that approach desirable or not? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:43, 4 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::: They said the word nonbinary in the show. In a show full of nonbinary rep. And then nonbinary characters exists outside of that show, and it would not be a dangerous bet to expect this to continue. But people are born with an innate understanding of what an Alpha Primax 9384u743 is, or Transmetals, or Powermasters, but not what a nonbinary person is so yeah maybe we are going too far on this website for nerds who want to learn more about things related to Transformers (like nonbinary characters). We have a category called council members. Literally for any character who has served on any council. I did not understand what "council members" actually refered to before I clicked on it, assumed it was more specific than it was, but in fact it took me two seconds to figure it out. A non-binary category and/or gender-expansive category would surely be the same. And as Archforce says, make these concepts easier to navigate. Or if that was too long, what Walky said. Seriously. You also appear to misunderstand what is meant by lumping together. Because putting all non-binary people in a non-binary category is accurate, and is something I and at least some others want, putting all non-binary people on a transgender page would be a misrepresentative "all of these are the same thing right?". Gender-expansive on the other hand comes from someone familiar with the matter, and as a non-binary person myself, as someone who has researched gender representation in media at an honours level (to flex some credentials that yeah I could be making up), I agree with what is being said on the Discord. Gender expansive as an umbrella provides the room to not lump everyone together while recognising yeah there is something shared in any act of gender that is not one of cisgender conformity. Having transgender and nonbinary characters on the same page while called out as two seperate subcategories I again think helps casual readers navigate based on this. [[User:Bumblebee2000|Bumblebee2000]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee2000|talk]]) 18:40, 4 March 2023 (EST)
::::::::::Not using the best useful terms because they're not understood by enough people is extremely self-defeating. I reject that line of thinking. (also, like, c'mon, the first complete article for this wiki was gaddang Robot-Master, not Optimus Prime, so I think we can say the words "gender expansive" even if someone hasn't heard of them) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 17:49, 4 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::Thank you all for the discussion! To clarify regarding aesthetics (because gender is aesthetics, we can give recommendations on stuff to read re that), the term gender expansive does not in fact cover everybody, merely all the bots we're talking about it in this instance and likely future unless we get canon transformers fiction that actually uses a variable alien aesthetic system that isn't gender but is something similar. To put this another way: not all human societies' aesthetic category concepts and formulation of individual and collective context for self such as pronouns, names, expressions, (to use Leslie Feinberg's words for navigating transness and gender itself, the 'poetics,' not just construction) etc. used or uses those in a way that neatly fits modern Western gender constructs with a large number of examples both from outside Europe and within it. In a similar vein some xeno aesthetic spectrum folks (like some of ourselves, and yes we're getting very obscure here the gender parallel is xenogender) and speculative fiction/sci-fi about aliens live or navigates the idea of aesthetic structures that are not gender at all but merely overlap or parallel.
:::::::::::Transformers fiction has really only touched on the subject of the alien aspect of the bots' gender or lack thereof when trying to portray that something is there by e.g.; parallel with the embodying and living of their various modes such as when Lodestar speaks to having weapon retrofit dysphoria in the 2021 annual (yes, the 'embodying and living' is something we're borrowing from Gayle Salamon on how she frames gender), their unique histories, the December 23rd 2015 AVP gender answer having a note about continuities where the concept of gender is barely relevant, and possibly that time 'gal' got put in quotations (it's still unclear what Maggs meant by that but that's okay). So rest assured that while gender expansive is a broad category- it only future proofs us until alien terminology or narrative that is clearly shown in replacement of when gender would otherwise be used in a story actually happens in canon. Which would be incredibly exciting, but isn't where we are right now. [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 19:11, 4 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::But we are nonetheless at a special point in time in the transformations of transformers, that the categories genderfluid, nonbinary, and gender expansive would be useful for. <3 [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 19:15, 4 March 2023 (EST)
::::::::::::Gosh that felt good to dedicating an afternoon to doing, thank you for the help! We feel that [[Editor|Chief]] ought to be included in the gender expansive category, and given the entry regarding Tigerhawk that was mentioned here, Spittor arguably also could be [[Source:Ask_Vector_Prime/Facebook#May_23.2C_2015|"In some universes where Spittor scans an organic alternate mode, his biological system conforms to female while his Cybertronian gender identity is male."]]. Chief seems fairly obvious? RE Spittor where his situation could be argued to break down is the cybertronian understanding of gender maybe not matching gender and anatomy as framed by humans but then that in itself still qualifies. [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 20:32, 5 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::: *shrugs* maybe the latter re Spittor and similar situations is just something to note in an eventual article rather than to throw in the category itself [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 20:45, 5 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::::I'm gonna say that I'm for Editor while Spittor is ultimately a way of just saying that his alt-mode is a female frog even though he's male. Ala Tigatron in the cartoon, Waspinator, etc. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:57, 5 March 2023 (EST)
::::::::::::::Thank you, that helps clarify things! :3 [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 21:47, 5 March 2023 (EST)

== Adding an informative table to each character page ==
I was thinking about it since it's striking.. lack.. There should be a way to tell people in which and how many episodes/issues/movies each character appears in the continuity they belong to, their debut episode/issue movie, what aliases they have had and nicknames they were given by other characters, a more centered area for the voice or live actors, a link to their gallery pages(if they have any) and one to their disambiguation pages etc. The kind of information that one would prefer to find with greater ease, especially if they aren't members. And talking about their appearances, that should prove quite useful for future page edits, since we'll know exactly where to look especially when it's about latecomers or characters that don't appear on a regular basis. I just think it'd be useful. [[User:Darthrone|Darthrone]] ([[User talk:Darthrone|talk]]) 15:44, 2 February 2023 (EST)
:This kind of infobox was discussed at the very earliest days of this wiki, and it was decided that there was just way, way too much information for it to work... and this was in 2006, BEFORE the franchise exploded. TF is such a fragmented kludge of fictions from multiple sources and creators spanning 40 years that any major character would end up with one ultra-massive thing of dubious use (can't say I see the value in a "number of appearances" tally, aside from the headache of keeping that accurate over time and arguing "what counts"), or a billion splintered ones spread across the page for the different fictions. And "nicknames" is always a minefield as those tend to turn into a massive list of "someone called them this once" which is... not helpful. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:46, 2 February 2023 (EST)
::Even if it had been a day-1 thing, I don't see how this is more informative than our current style. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:58, 2 February 2023 (EST)
:::I'm for infoboxes, but the information you're asking for is far too abstract and meaningless in this franchise. (We are absolutely not doing "nicknames". No.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:09, 2 February 2023 (EST)

==The (BWU) tag==
I understand the reasons why [[#Proposal re: G1 pages|my previous proposal]] regarding the proliferation of (G1) pages for random newer characters was soundly rejected. However, my main motivation for raising it was that I find the huge quantity of (BWU) pages for "repurposed" Mini-Cons and bestial Transformers to be reader-unfriendly, so I wanted to make a case for making an exception for ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' cameos. ''Uprising'' was an obscure barely-canon multi-continuity-drifting web serial which we are very unlikely to get further instalments of, and most of the relevant characters are similarly very deep pulls who will assuredly not be appearing again in future stories, and who will otherwise be stuck with tiny stub-pages forever. Most of these are Mini-Cons (here Micromasters) or bestial Transformers (here Protoformers), with a few boats or Constructicons from "[[Derailment]]". In many cases, I perceive ''Uprising'' as having tried to give these toys a hint of fiction where previously they had none at all, much like [[Ask Vector Prime]] before it. It's a very different phenomenon to most so-called "continuity transplants" we've seen in other series (such as with, say, [[Hot Shot (G1)]]), which are instead rooted in the popularity of those characters.

I think the problem here is that strictly speaking ''Uprising'' is a "Primax" continuity, sure, but it lifts dozens of characters (let alone concepts) unchanged from later stories. Slavishly hewing to that label when it's such an intertextual melting pot has resulted in this unfriendly setup. It feels like a fair decision made at the time (was [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive64#Derailment & Uprising pages|this discussion]] the one?) but in my opinion the wiki's policy kinda fails here. If we get rid of the (BWU) tag, the (G1) back-ports remaining (a minority!) will be for more significant characters, often adapted more radically. Here's the list of tiny pages we could be rid of, just like that:

*'''''Energon''''': [[Steam Hammer]], [[Doom-Lock (BWU)]], [[Avalon (BWU)]]
*'''''Cybertron''''': [[Wing Saber (BWU)]], [[Shortround (BWU)]]
*'''Movies''': [[Reckage]], [[Hatchet (BWU)]], [[Skipjack (BWU)]], [[Sea Spray (BWU)]], [[Fearswoop (BWU)]], [[Depthcharge (BWU)]], [[Rav (BWU)]], [[Evac (BWU)]], [[Drydock (BWU)]], [[Photon (BWU)]]
*'''''TransTech''''': [[Ego (BWU)]]
*'''''War for Cybertron''''': [[Contrail (BWU)]], [[Sigil (BWU)]], [[Gauntlet (BWU)]]
*'''''Prime''''': [[Ser-Ket (BWU)]], [[Rot Gut (BWU)]], [[Twinstrike (BWU)]], [[Budora (BWU)]], [[Darksteel (BWU)]], [[Vertebreak (BWU)]], [[Grimwing (BWU)]], [[Blackbeak (BWU)]], [[Judora (BWU)]]
*'''''Robots in Disguise''''': [[Bisk (BWU)]], [[Paralon (BWU)]], [[Quillfire (BWU)]], [[Ped (BWU)]], [[Psychobat (BWU)]], [[Springload (BWU)]], [[Snitch (BWU)]], [[Razorgrille (BWU)]]
*'''''Transformers Online''''': [[Astral Knight (BWU)]], [[Psychic Shortstop (BWU)]], [[Wrath Thunder (BWU)]], [[Deep Blue (BWU)]]
*'''Mini-Cons''': [[Synapse (BWU)]], [[Black Out]], [[Steamhammer (BWU)]], [[Flat-Out (BWU)]], [[Six-Speed (BWU)]], [[Zapmaster (BWU)]], [[Crumplezone (BWU)]], [[Cannon (BWU)]], [[Bulge (BWU)]], [[Bomb (BWU)]], [[Shot (BWU)]], [[Crack (BWU)]], [[Thunderblast (BWU)]], [[Wreckage (BWU)]], [[Bonecrusher (BWU)]], [[Broadside (BWU)]], [[Tankor (BWU)]], [[Caliburn (BWU)]], [[Torque (BWU)]], [[Bilge (BWU)]], [[Search (BWU)]], [[Refute (BWU)]], [[Kingbolt (BWU)]], [[Starcatcher (BWU)]], [[Clench (BWU)]], [[Run-Over (BWU)]], [[Deepdive (BWU)]], [[Astro-Sinker (BWU)]], [[Snow Cat (BWU)]], [[Draft (BWU)]], [[Screw (BWU)]], [[Aston (BWU)]] (deep sigh)
*'''Other''': [[Terrastar (BWU)]], [[Hyperborea (BWU)]], [[Alchemor (BWU)]], [[Minion of Unicron (BWU)]]

There's a handful of ''Uprising'' characters that need a (G1) page anyway for non-''Uprising'' reasons; I'm totally ambivalent about where the ''Uprising'' content ends up for these: [[Tidal Wave (G1)]], [[Override (BWU)]] (!), [[Cannonball (G1)]], [[Black-Out]], [[Halogen (G1)]], [[Knock Out (G1)]], [[Gaidora (BWU)]], [[Strongarm (G1)]], [[Thunderhoof (BWU)]], [[Twirl (G1)]].

Finally there's a few weird cases that would merit individual discussion but would probably just need to keep their own pages: [[Clobber (BWU)]], [[Apex (BWU)]], [[Offshoot (BWU)]], [[Cybaxx (BWU)]], [[Overbite (BWU)]], and [[Terrorcon (BWU)]].

Here is a ([https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&redirs=1&profile=all&search=%22from+the%22+%22continuity+families%22 probably non-exhaustive]) list of existing cases of multi-continuity drifting you should probably consider before weighing in:
* [[Buckethead]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#July 31, 2015|this Ask Vector Prime answer]])
* [[Drydock (TF 2010)]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 13, 2015|this answer]] which explicitly has him travel from one continuity to another)
* [[Drelnar Feh'd]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 17, 2015|this one]])
* [[Scorpia (G2)]], [[Autoceptor]], [[Deceptor]], and [[Kaltor]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#June 12, 2015|this one]])
* The [[Night Rescue Team]], [[Clear Skies Team]], [[Rapid Intervention Team]], [[Prehistoric Team]], [[Demolition Team]], [[Dirt Digger Team]], [[Heavy Load (Universe)]] and the [[Mobile Fortification Team]], and [[Detectas]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 28, 2015|this one]]).
**However, exceptions from these Mini-Con teams are [[Nightscream (Cybertron)|Nightscream]], [[Offshoot (Cybertron)|Offshoot]], [[Strongarm (Cybertron)|Strongarm]] and [[Knockdown (Cybertron)|Knockdown]], who all have separate (Cybertron) basis on the basis of receiving separate bios after being packed in with ''Cybertron'' Primus...
**...but then [[Liftor]] is all on a single page, despite his ''Classics'' bio.
**[[Snarl (Classics)|Snarl]], [[Sledge (Classics)|Sledge]], [[Wideload (Classics)|Wideload]], [[Knockdown (Classics)|Knockdown]], and [[Steel Wind]] already have ''Uprising'' content on their pages, but that makes sense as these were originally ''Classics'' guys.
* The [[Saurian Strike Team]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 28, 2015|this one]])
* The [[Minicon 8 Pack]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#July 24, 2015|this one]])
* The ''Dark of the Moon'' Mini-Cons [[Dualor (DOTM)]], [[Triceradon (DOTM)]], [[Rav (DOTM)]], and [[Catilla (DOTM)]], plus [[Ironlunge]], [[Reptix]], [[Sling (AOE)]], [[Gnashteeth]], [[Wedge Shape]], [[Brimstone (Universe)]], [[Apexus]], [[Gredator]], and [[Dragoyell]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#August 13, 2015|this one]])
** Weirdly, we ''separately'' have a page for [[Rav (BWU)]], but Catilla has Unicron Trilogy, movie, and ''Uprising'' appearances covered all on the one page!
* [[Galadria]] and [[Ramak]] (because of [[Source:Transformers: Spacewarp's Log#December 5, 2015|this post]])
* Am I to understand that [[Wind Sheer (RID)]], [[Skyfire (RID)]] and the [[Dimensional Patrol]] each have just a single page because (RID) ''is'' part of the G1 continuity family sometimes...?
* And I understand that [[Primus Vanguard]] cameos just go on their original pages because that's a weird thing kinda outside of G1 anyway (at least from an in-universe perspective, if not a real-world one).
* ''Diaclone'' examples like [[Burn Out (Diaclone)]], [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)]], and [[Chifumi Takahashi]] have been discussed to death.
* [[Monsterous]] was retconned to originally be from an Aligned universe (in [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Guest column#October 21, 2015|this post]], though I can't actually find any mention of Uniend? EDIT: [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Guest column#November 7, 2015|found it]]!)
* [[Primacron]] was apparently mentioned in ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II| The AllSpark Almanac II]]''.
* And [[Sentinel Supreme]] is just an Easter egg that everyone seemed to shrug about at the time.

To those who say the exception I'm proposing would be confusing, I submit these existing examples where we've apparently neglected to split something out as evidence that the only people this confuses are wiki editors like me wondering why they're not all that way. Maybe I'm just unaware of some aspect of the existing policy which accounts for all these cases? But is it really helpful to anyone to have a given toy's associated fiction squirrelled away somewhere separate you have to go into the disambiguation to find? We recently merged [[Chromhorn]] (another Sorenson job) on the basis that "There's literally no reason for these to be on different pages. They are the same thing." Can we not do the same for these Sorenson-penned cases that are basically going "look, the exact same guy shows up in multiple universes, alright?" And if the answer is no, will someone go through and split all these out? —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 18:27, 6 February 2023 (EST)

:I think my response to your earlier G1-import proposal still applies here: the more exceptions we make to our system for the sake of "accessibility", the harder the overall structure becomes to grok for a new reader, and thus ironically it all becomes ''less'' accessible. Why should ''Uprising'' Steel Jaw be at [[Steel Jaw]], but ''Uprising'' Bisk be at [[Bisk (RID)]]? Or, conversely, why should ''Uprising'' Steel Jaw be at [[Steeljaw (RID)]], but LBS Steeljaw be at [[Steel Jaw|Steeljaw (IDW)]]? Neither solution is good.
:As for the current list of exceptions, I'd argue everything you list from Buckethead to the DOTM Mini-Cons should probably be split. Galadria and Ramak are characters from outside media, so we don't split them across continuity lines. Wind Sheer and Skyfire have one page for consistency with the other RID guys. The source on Monsterous being Aligned is [[Source:Ask_Vector_Prime/Facebook#November_7.2C_2015|here]], but I would argue that's just giving an origin to the GoBot and so they should share a page anyway.
:Lastly - I object to you bringing the Chromhorn thing into this, as I don't think it's a fair comparison. Chromhorn wasn't making any exception to our categorisation system; it was one page saying "Chromhorn is a green variant of Insecticon from the UT" and another saying "Chromhorn Forest Type is a green variant of Insecticon from the UT", and the former was somehow a "repurposing" of the fictionless latter. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 20:24, 6 February 2023 (EST)
::Totally get the Steeljaw example—although it ''is'' crazy that we're currently disambiguating G1 wolf Steeljaw simply by [[Steel Jaw]]. You should post about the disambiguation tag policy change you suggested on Discord, I think a lot of people were thinking along similar lines there. Agree with your interpretation of the current policy as to which of the examples listed should be split and which shouldn't—although the more I think about the Primus Vanguard, the more I think those should technically be split too. While I guess the [[Time Warrior (AVP)|Time Warrior]]s are multiversal travellers like Drydock. RE: Chromhorn, I understand why it's technically different; I brought it up because I think it speaks to the tenor of ''Ask Vector Prime'' answers—in spirit, I think its aim was exactly the same as with the Mini-Con examples I've given.
::What do I mean by that? To match your Steeljaw example, from the opposite angle: say I'm your typical fan scrolling [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)]], and I click on, say, [[Dualor (DOTM)]], wondering if he's ever shown up in anything. In their current state, I get my answer immediately. With the proposed split for consistency, I instead get a page telling me that Dualor (DOTM) is a dinosaur Mini-Con from ''Dark of the Moon'', some info about the toy, ''maybe'' ending with an inscrutable note about how he was "repurposed" as an identical guy. Now, there's ''already'' an unrelated [[Dualor (Armada)]], so we'd need to make a disambiguation page. We can see this already by looking at [[Snow Cat (Universe)]], which is barren (the very scenario AVP so often tried to address!), and doesn't even admit to the existence of [[Snow Cat (BWU)]] aside from a general Snow Cat disambiguation tag. In some existing cases like [[Steamhammer (BWU)]], we've mirrored a toy writeup, which needs upkeep in parallel; in others, like Snow Cat, we're asking the user to visit the other page to read about the toy ''anyway''. To my mind, this is inarguably less accessible. I don't understand arguments made about accessibility here which are predicated on readers having learned editing policy to begin with, and I don't think this proposal would actually make it any harder to learn the system.
::I regret not listing out all the individual members of those Mini-Con teams above, to better communicate the sheer number of pages that would need to be made (and pages that would need to be renamed, in case of conflicts) to create this inconvenience in service of a rule we've already been ignoring without issue. Nobody wants to do this work, and I think it's less that no-one cares, and more that some people think it'd actually make the wiki worse, and the rest don't particularly think it'd make the wiki better.
::What about just making an exception for Mini-Cons/Micromasters? I've talked about ''Uprising'', but obviously the vast majority of cases that theoretically need splitting aren't from ''Uprising'' at all. Could probably even do a generic template like "X exists in multiple continuity families, and is a Micromaster/Maximal/Predacon in those without Mini-Cons". Thus your Steeljaws and Bisks and Overrides go unchanged, no problems or ambiguity there! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 17:09, 7 February 2023 (EST)
:Once upon a time, I probably would have pushed for something like this, but where we are now: I am not a fan of any push towards treating something differently based on how "relevant" something is or not. It goes against the very spirit this wiki was founded on, because that is what was happening to the Wikipedia coverage of Transformers where they were just getting rid of things wholesale because of "relevancy." I can understand the basic point behind this, but I feel that doing so would set a bad precedent that could be exploited in the future.
:I'd be fine with splitting most of these out. I've said it before elsewhere but by and large a lot of the inconsistencies were largely the result of different contributors adding stuff or splitting stuff without a general consensus, and they haven't been cleaned up afterwards. Also, a minor note, but the Liftor thing was mainly cause no one noticed at the time until I wrote up about the profile years after the fact. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:26, 6 February 2023 (EST)
::If I gave the impression "relevancy" was the main thrust of my argument here, I didn't mean to! Like, it goes both ways—would we be merging because ''Uprising'' is so irrelevant that we shouldn't devote all these random stub pages to it, ''or'' are we merging because it's sufficiently relevant that we shouldn't be hiding that content in stub pages nobody visits? Either is true! I'm arguing for convenience and clarity. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 17:09, 7 February 2023 (EST)
::: This definitely feels like the strongest argument to the merge in my mind. The wiki is no stranger to niche pages, pages for nameless, fictionless, toyless nonentities. But I believe these fictionless toys and toyless fiction which are really the same thing would be a richer niche page for the merges. [[User:Bumblebee2000|Bumblebee2000]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee2000|talk]]) 20:36, 7 February 2023 (EST)
::: I really think that once again, this overrates the number of people who would be confused by this, and underrates the number of people who would be able to figure out where to go if they wish to find the information. Like, I hate to do the whole "I was able to figure it out" thing but I was a small child with a single-digit age when I first discovered the wiki and I was able to figure out pretty quick why it was laid out the way it was. I'm not saying there's no room for improvement; I think there's a lot of cases in which the way we have things set up now is kind of ridiculous. But in this particular case, I don't really see how merging things would be any more convenient than just leaving them the way they are and splitting out the cases that we never got around to. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:52, 7 February 2023 (EST)

Just found some more pages that would need splitting under current policy: [[Crystal Widow]], [[Seawave]], [[Cradon]], [[Freefall (Kre-O)]], [[Liftoff]], and [[Epsilon Holdings]]. All due to ''Uprising'' and ''The Allspark Almanac''. Really hoping someone can propose a solution here that doesn't involve creating a billion pages and disambigs. --[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 09:24, 18 February 2023 (EST)
:We don't split businesses/locations/organizations, so Epsilon Holdings isn't one we need to consider. Kre-O doesn't really occupy a continuity family in our organization and I would just split the rest, especially Crystal Widow. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:28, 18 February 2023 (EST)

Noticed the ''[[Transformers: Earth Wars| Earth Wars]]'' stub templates on Mini-Con pages for [[Wheeljack Kunai]] and [[Bido]]. The game had previously added [[Gabu]], [[Zori]], [[Baru]], [[Bashbreaker]], [[Windstrike]], and [[Tricerashot]]. Following policy, these should ''all'' be split—see [[Giza (POTP)]] and [[Giza (Prime)]], although to be fair they're not the same animal at least. As always, I think the fiction for those toys should go on the pages for those toys. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 12:39, 17 March 2023 (EDT)

Just finished going through documenting the preliminary bios for the [[Night Rescue Team]], [[Predator Attack Team]], and [[Mini-Con Council of Sages]], from when the ''Classics'' Mini-Cons were still going to be released as ''Cybertron'' two-packs, and it occurs to me that if ''all'' of those guys end up getting duplicate pages, the Unicron Trilogy pages would be where that information should probably end up. Right now it's all a bit of a mess, as some of those characters have (Cybertron) pages via the Primus bonus-pack-in, some don't, and others had their names changed from their would've-been ''Cybertron'' incarnations anyway. I've generally tried to stick to linking to the existing pages rather than redlinking—naturally I remain convinced that it'd be for the best if we didn't distinguish between ''Classics'' and ''Cybertron'' at all in this case and just kept all the relevant information for each of those Mini-Cons on one page per; I think [[Liftor]] is proof that this is in fact perfectly fine and much, much less of a headache for readers. See whatever the hell is going on with the page for the [[Night Rescue Team]], which names the patrol car as "[[Strongarm (Classics)|Strongarm]]/[[Strongarm (Cybertron)|Strongarm]]" as though that's something which makes any sense at all. Tangentially, I also reckon the material from these early bios (which evidently made it out via the official Hasbro website ''somehow'') should probably just be written up in fiction sections proper, along the lines of, say, cancelled Dreamwave issues...? —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 18:03, 23 April 2023 (EDT)
:The Cybertron Primus pack-in guys had bios written by Sepelak and Troop (who also wrote the bios for the Classics guys) that deliberately made them different characters for the Club website with little in common besides their physical appearances. It's not a case of "old rules" at all, it was something specific done at the time. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:28, 23 April 2023 (EDT)

==Wikia links still around?==
https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Smelting_pool&direction=prev&oldid=109505
Are other archived "intermediate / obsolete" edit pages still pointing to Wikia? Or have they been somehow neutralized? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:52, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
:Not exactly sure what you're asking? I mean, the link is literally part of the text in that edit, so it wouldn't be removed. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:25, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
::Is that page (and presumably any other intermediate edit page from those years) still directing search engines to Wikia? Some years ago it was seen as pretty urgent that every last such link be removed, regardless of location. Not "gone from current pages," gone from ''everything''. As I recall, there were even refs to Wikia pre-struck-out on pages so people could only see them in mid-edit, but they were still boosting Wikia's rankings, and an admin had to create a bot to scrape them out of everywhere. If they still persist on hundreds of intermediate edit pages from those years, should those pages be totally erased, as they would be when randos insert porn or hate speech here? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:10, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
:::Historic page revisions are not indexed by Google, so they won't boost Wikia rankings. Those links will be present on any revisions before March 2008, as those revisions are from a backup imported from when the site was on Wikia. We still do have some Wikia links on live pages ([[Miscolorings based on the Generation 1 cartoon]] is an example) but those links will be marked nofollow as all external links are, so they should, in theory, not be boosting Wikia's ranking either. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:04, 26 May 2023 (EDT)

== ROTB being a reboot - what should we do with that? ==

I don't necessarily hold an opinion on this issue, but according to an interview with the director of ROTB, Rise of the Beasts will be a reboot of the live-action movie franchise. Will this affect how existing articles are grouped and written? Or does the wiki just consider it a case of authorial intent? ([https://news.tfw2005.com/2023/05/27/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-director-steven-caple-jr-confirms-rotb-set-in-a-rebooted-universe-484900 source]) [[User:Gigirassy|Gigirassy]] ([[User talk:Gigirassy|talk]]) 16:19, 27 May 2023 (EDT)
:The wiki is intentionally waiting for the movie's official release to make a stand on the matter. Regardless, even if the movie is a reboot it will not affect the wiki as much as you may be thinking it will; both movie series will simply be considered as two different continuities that are still part of the same continuity family overall (just like the multitude of G1 universes out there that are all in the same family). What may or may not happen is some characters may get splitted pages depending on if there's enough evidence for that, but for now all we can do is just wait and see. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 16:56, 27 May 2023 (EDT)

== Adaptation notes ==

Can we figure out a way to format this information that isn't an ugly and intrusive note that fucks up the formatting? Like, convert them into storylinks or references. Collapsible notes. Something. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:06, 21 June 2023 (EDT)
:(also probably take a weed whacker to the insane number of images people try to stuff into those film sections but that's another discussion) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:09, 21 June 2023 (EDT)
::I second that. Though we would also have to find a place to put the extra information those notes sometimes provide about how the adaptation differs from the source material. Like how [[Optimus Prime (Movie)#Transformers film|Optimus Prime]]'s notes on the 07 movie mention he kills Barricade in the adaptations when that doesn't happen in the movie itself. Or the very recent example of how ROTB [[Wheeljack (ROTB)|Wheeljack]] appears [[Mission at the Museum|in a book based entirely on the half of the movie he wasn't supposed to appear in]]. So how will we deal with that? -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 16:40, 21 June 2023 (EDT)

Against this. When it comes to an informational wiki, utility should be a higher priority than aesthetic taste. Speaking of aesthetics, however… [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:24, 21 June 2023 (EDT)
:We can be informative without haphazardly shoving "hey, here's some inconsequential adaptations you likely don't care about" into readers' faces. Not all information is created equal, as we've already established by hiding any VAs that the great majority of readers don't care about. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:41, 21 June 2023 (EDT)

I'd be against this. The notes make it clear that one thing is an adaptation of another, allow differences to be described succinctly without wholesale repetition of an entire story section, and I honestly think a mass of stoylyinks for every movie character in the first 3 Bay films after their write-up would be far more visually obtrusive and difficult to parse than the note that's already there, for example.[[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 22:31, 21 June 2023 (EDT)
:I'm gonna more or less agree with the above. Storylinks are ''absolutely'' a bad idea once you get beyond, like, two in a row. And I really don't feel like there's ever going to be enough adaptations of any one thing to justify a whole template, where "voice actors in a dozen languages" and "holy crap they redecoed/retooled/rereleased this toy THIS MANY TIMES" certainly can get hugely bulky. And honestly, if they're not a huge list, I like the easy discoverability of keeping them in a note below; hiding them whiffs of "we should de-prioritize the coloring books and not-current media on character pages" that we rejected from the get-go. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:56, 22 June 2023 (EDT)

== Images and formatting ==

Here’s something that baffles me; at least far back as the MP announcement of the Trainbots, there’s been a push by some to remove images from articles for reasons that mostly elude me. I agree that a lot of our older writeups have images that aren’t good, but what I don’t get is the removal of them from sections that only have one image. Sure, a lot of the time it’s for characters that have very minor roles in something, but I’ve always thought that McFeely’s way of making articles (by getting the best possible image of each character in every section whenever possible) is the gold standard for how we make articles. On a loosely related note; I’m not convinced by Sipher’s recent push to align images to the right; I think the alternating thing we usually have is much cleaner (aside from in toy sections). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:29, 21 June 2023 (EDT)
: Opening a section with a left-justified image almost invariably fucks up the normal "flow" of how your eyes move when you reach the end of a line: you move down and ''left'' to the next line. Most of the time, left-justified images at the top of the section push that next line of text to the ''right'' of the header. It may look "better" if you unfocus and just look at the page as a blur, but if you're actually ''reading'' the text, it's a subtle but very there stumbler. If it's a section where there's a "voice actors" bit or a note template ''above'' the image where the end of that is ''definitely'' going to end up beyond the rightmost border of the image, that's fair. ''Every'' image doesn't have to be on the right. Alternating is fine within longer sections. But opening with left should be used sparingly and judiciously. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:24, 21 June 2023 (EDT)

==Two things sandboxed a while ago maybe we might consider==
*[[User:M Sipher/Sandbox:ToysBullets]]
*[[User:M Sipher/sandbox:ToypageAltmodesAdded]]
I mean I'm not gonna lie, these are both in the "oh my grodd so many pages" realm, and worse, they're not something we can really get a bot to do. But, Iunno, something to consider.<br>
The insignia bullet point thing on individual character pages, only so many characters have toys across multiple factions (most would have G1/G2 variants), so this doesn't feel as "important" an addition, but, well. Could be useful. Adding altmodes to the toyline page listings, however, I think there's a decent case for, especially when dealing with obscure toy-only characters in lines loaded to the gills with toys. It'll certianly help the "man I remember I had this cool toy what was its name" searches. And it involves tweaking considerably fewer pages. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:09, 27 June 2023 (EDT)
:I'm in favor of the first from a readability standpoint. It just looks better. On the alt modes, I worry it might open the door to edit skirmishes on some of the more vague vehicle modes out there (thinking specifically of Devcon that just came out, or things that are just indeterminate like Cybertron Menasor or Protoform Optimus/Starscream), that just "Cybertronic car/jet/whatever" isn't a common term people outside the Wiki would really think to search, and how specific we'd need to get a la "truck" versus "longnose truck" versus "Peterbilt 379 truck". Hard to call, in my opinion.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 23:37, 27 June 2023 (EDT)
::The bullet points hit me a little weird at first but I could get used to them, I think it's a neat idea. And I can see the inclusion of alt modes in toy pages as something useful, though no doubt a lot of pages would have to be slightly rearranged to make room for them. Regardless, I'd gladly give a hand with some of the editing if either one gets approved. --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 09:46, 28 June 2023 (EDT)
::: RE: altmodes on toyline pages... As far as "arguments" go, you get those ''anyway''. I think for these pages we can afford a bit of looseness ("red Lamborghini" for 1984 Sideswipe since there's a lot of sports cars (and two Lambos) in that line/assortment, "blue sports car" for Cyb Hot Shot since there are fewer "sports cars" in that line), giving enough for a quick ID'ing. Spacing... yeah, this will stretch the pages vertically a bit, but like, that's generally fine if the space has ''information'' in it. Plus it will likely mean we can add another pic to the right-hand side of many sections, letting us give a few more examples. And it'll beef up the absolutely anemic sections slightly. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:53, 29 June 2023 (EDT)
:So, anyone got any objections to these, other than "holy hell that's a lot of manual work"? If anything, it'd also be a good excuse to go in and find out what entries are in need of some sprucing up and getting to today's standards... properly sorting the features into cohesive paragraphs, moving release dates to bullet points, trimming excess or filling out light writeups, making sure links to other toys have the proper anchors, etc. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:32, 4 July 2023 (EDT)
::The faction symbols look neat, no issue there. ''Really'' dislike the alt-mode descriptions on the toyline pages; it's a huge amount of visual noise for very little informational gain, not even to mention the actual work involved. I honestly think they would be very error-prone as a rule, or at the very least lead to some extremely tiresome debates—for example, you've labelled Soundwave/Sideways as "Cybertronian" jets, but my understanding is that they're not Cybertronians at all...? Even until pretty recently, I often find myself clicking links on toy pages only to find that they've been broken by the epidemic of "/toys" splits (and then the subsequent merges now that that's being corrected!); so far as I'm concerned, if you're consistently able to click a link on a toyline page and immediately jump to a write-up with an actual image of the toy in question, that'd be far more useful than a brief indicator of alt-mode, especially considering most readers are going to know that Starscream probably turns into "a jet". Something else this has brought to mind for me, though—for the ''Cybertron'' toyline, could be nice to have extra faction bullets for the various Cyber Key types they came with! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:53, 6 July 2023 (EDT)
::: Late to the party, but I've seen some of the faction bullets have been implemented in some character articles and I really like how they look. I think it will also help in the long run with figures that are marketed as a certain faction on Hasbro's websites or packaging, but not on the toy itself or utilized in any fiction. Like, for example: ''Studio Series'' Sentinel Prime. His packaging features a Decepticon insignia, while his instructions feature an Autobot insignia, which means the toy is marketed as both factions, even if both insignia are absent on the toy itself. The alt-mode descriptors, on the other hand, are a no from me, better to leave those kinds of specifics to the toy write ups themselves, as some toy listings in toyline articles are already pretty cluttered as it is, due to all of the characters included in some sets. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 01:20, 5 August 2023 (EDT)
::::I'm in favor of both. I think the faction bullets look neat and visually appealing, and I wouldn't mind helping with the edits. I also think that the alt-mode listings would be very helpful, and while I agree that it could create a lot of visual noise, I think it could be lessened by some formatting alterations. In particular, making the alt-mode descriptors <small>(small)</small> and/or on a separate line, and having fewer columns in each row so they aren't so scrunched. Played around with a couple variations here: [[User:Ashendawn/sandbox:ToypageAltmodesAdded]] --[[User:Ashendawn|Ashendawn]] ([[User talk:Ashendawn|talk]]) 15:07, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
:::::I'm quite coming to like the faction symbols, but here's another vote against the alt descriptions. In addition to suddenly making the pages denser and busier... a lot of them are subjective and generic, and it will definitely be noticeable to have multiple generic vehicle types listed so close together. In that last sandbox, "missile truck" and "missile tank" are one on top of the other, and what's really the difference between an "off-road vehicle" and a "military buggy"? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:17, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
::::::I feel like that's REALLY getting into push-glasses-up-nose um-actually-ing and missing the entire point of the descriptors. The point is not to give a superprecise What They Very Definitely Are, but a general guide to people who don't actually remember every single toy's name and are thinking "who was that small blue truck?" while looking at the toyline pages. It's for the people who are not hyper-versed in Everything Transformers. It's for the same reasons we implemented "Major (character name here)"s on the disambiguation pages. Generalities is kind of the ''aim''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:06, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
:::::::But the descriptors aren't "small blue truck." None of them list either color or size. Instead we see "Cybertronian space cruiser", "Cybertronian jet", and "Cybertronian shuttle" directly adjacent to each other. The amount of space we reasonably have available, and the undeniable vagueness of many TF toys, makes me think our setup isn't the right one for helping people identify unknown / barely remembered toys. And then there's the question of how someone with an unknown / barely remembered toy would know to go to the right series in the first place. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:21, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
::::::::I do think listing the most predominant color(s) could be helpful. Shortening the "Cybertronian [x]" to "Cyber[x]" when possible, or omitting it (in the case of the space cruiser for example, since those don't actually exist outside of sci-fi) could help. As far as the usefulness factor goes--at least in my personal experience--as I've been working on identification of my spouse's childhood toys, we're usually able to identify the era but don't know the name of the specific toy (especially in the case of UT and and toy-only movie guys). Being able to control+F "green" and/or "jet" to find them would have saved me a lot of time. --[[User:Ashendawn|Ashendawn]] ([[User talk:Ashendawn|talk]]) 11:58, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
::::::::You're getting incredibly lost in vicious pedantry over something that's still in the process. You're acting like the proposal was for something EXACTLY unchanged from what was presented as a prototype, that still (and always would) be tweakable to see what worked better. Part of proposing this is to see if the wording and exact formatting could be tweaked, and other people have added ideas to it that I think really improve on things. The phrasing can be changed, and actually has been in the working example. ("RE: "Cybertronian", we could go with "tech" or "sci-fi" instead if we need that kind of qualifier or for space issues.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:41, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
::::::Oh and I think making the descriptors small text helps a lot, but not wild about changing the number of columns; in most cases that'd leave some real MASSIVE gaps. Brevity will help alleviate width/clutter concerns. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:08, 2 October 2023 (EDT)

== Alternators/Binaltech headers on toy pages ==

It feels like something from the old days of the wiki that has become outdated by our modern standards. Binaltech is not its own toyline, it's just the Takara version of Alternators, as reflected by both lines [[Transformers: Alternators|sharing the same page]]. So I propose we stop using "Alternators/Binaltech" headers on toy pages. Keep "Binaltech" on characters that ''only'' have Takara toys and standardize to just "Alternators" on all pages with either only Hasbro toys or both Hasbro and Takara toys. To use similar examples, we only have "[[Fortress Maximus (RID)#Car Robots|Car Robots]]" and "[[Lockdown (RID)#Adventure|Adventure]]" headers on Takara-only toy pages, while all other pages have "Robots in Disguise (2001)" and "Robots in Disguise (2015)" regardless of if they have Takara toys or not. There's no "Robots in Disguise/Car Robots" or "Robots in Disguise/Adventure" headers. So can we please start using the same standard to Alternators? --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 14:58, 29 June 2023 (EDT)

== Energon Universe coverage ==

With Void Rivals #2 due out next week, I think we need to start a discussion about how much coverage we give non-TF issues in the Energon Universe. This isn't like IDW where the shared universe element came years later; we're starting out on the ground floor, with Transformers part of the universe from the very first released issue. It's going to be closely involved with all the comics going forward, so I think we need to figure out if we're going to cover everything, and if not, what qualifies for coverage. For example, it sounds like Energon is going to be a recurring element in both Void Rivals and G.I. Joe. Is that alone enough to qualify, or do there need to be actual Transformers characters? I think we need to start asking these sorts of questions so we can figure out the scope of our coverage. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:39, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
:I'm fine with covering everything. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 23:42, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
:I am also in favor of covering it all, the universe has established immediately that Transformers seem to be intrinsic to it, and this way we can keep all reading to one wiki. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 23:46, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
::Agreed. They are presenting it as a shared, intrinsically connected universe - and yeah it's called the Energon Universe so that's very clearly transformery to us unless energon moves on from here to be a generic hasbroverse term, which we doubt. [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 23:52, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
:Yeah. I think "cover everything" is the best approach to begin with, and then if we want to discuss splitting things off at a later date we can do that. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 00:00, 11 July 2023 (EDT)
:Nothing against a "cover everything" either. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 00:53, 12 July 2023 (EDT)

==Stock image sizes==
Okay, I wanted to bring this up before going on a revertathon but... is there ANY need for HD stock imagery here? Frankly, 4000x2000 images at nearly a meg each seems like absolute overkill and just adding incrementally to server load (good god various Optimuses' toy pages are bad enough as it is, we prolly shouldn't be doing things to make that worse). We just need images big enough to be clear, we're not here to archive print-quality images. I've been sticking to a general 600px vertical with the odd 700px for bigger/more involved toys when doing pics, and like, that sure seems more than fine. Once you hit 1000px it feels real excessive. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:01, 3 August 2023 (EDT)

== Video game cameos ==

{{collist|2|
*[[Kunai]]
*[[Sawtooth (G1)]]
*[[Tricerashot (G1)]]
*[[Windstrike (G1)]]
*[[Zori (G1)]]
*[[Bashbreaker (G1)]]
*[[Baru (G1)]]
*[[Bido (G1)]]
*[[Gabu (G1)]]}}

I'm not seeing the point in being persnickety about continuity families when it comes to mobile game cameos, especially when said game already has established characters from other continuity families. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:52, 6 August 2023 (EDT)
:If you bothered to do some due diligence, you would know these guys are selectable for individual play, not "cameos". As long as our continuity family policy remains in place, they merit pages just as ''Prime'' Knock Out's G1 transplant does. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:56, 6 August 2023 (EDT)
::Dude, they're support units without any real role in the story (which, again, includes multiversal travelers already). That's cameo level to me. It's not comparable to Knock Out. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:04, 6 August 2023 (EDT)
:::Late, but they're definitely not cameos. The COMBAT bots frequently have their own dialogue and play a part in the event storylines. They're probably ''exactly'' the same situation as Knock Out, who so far as I can tell was introduced without any fanfare as to whether he's a native to the ''Earth Wars'' universe or a dimension-hopper. The same even appears true of "Breakdown Prime"! In the past, when characters from other continuities have shown up, there's always been lots of hullabaloo in the dialogues explaining where they've come from. It's silly to make definitive claims one way or another until we successfully scrape the scripts from the last couple of years and can read everything, so under current wiki policy unless someone can produce dialogues where Windstrike says "whoa, this Earth Wars universe is crazy, not at all like my home reality!" we just have to assume they're G1 versions of those characters and give them separate pages. Personally, I would actually ''agree'' that it's really silly to have created all of these tiny stub pages for these so-called "continuity transplants", and even brought up the fact earlier on the Portal that nobody had seemed to consider it problematic when they were all just lumped in on the Aligned pages, but if this is how it's gotta be then someone who feels strongly about the split oughta commit to having the coverage on the G1 pages, not the Aligned pages, and disambiguate between them properly. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 08:14, 25 August 2023 (EDT)

== Subcategory trimming ==

Looking at some of our character categories, such as the subcats under [[:Category:Generation 1 Autobots]] and [[:Category:Generation 1 Decepticons]], I'm starting to wonder if all of these are strictly necessary. I think there's merit to having categories for whole franchises, but I'm unsure whether we necessarily need to add more categories for inclusion in specific media or toylines, like "G1 cartoon Autobots" or "G1 toy Decepticons"; after a while, it starts to feel a little excessive and perhaps even counterproductive. Thoughts? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:44, 23 August 2023 (EDT)
:On the one hand, with "G1" being basically Brobdingnagian in scope, I think media/toyline subcategorization is definitely important... but I'm unsold in either direction on if the Autobot/Decep split in said subcats are necessary. I ''will'' put forward the argument ''for'' the subcategorization that categories are a very helpful method of quick-checking "who's in group x", especially with something as massive as "the Marvel comics cast". Looking for obscure comic Decepticons to maybe feature in something is a lot easier when you don't have to fish through a list that also includes every obscure comic-only Autobot. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:53, 23 August 2023 (EDT)
:: I"m good for keeping "Generation 1 cartoon" and "Marvel comic" categories the way we do with Dreamwave, IDW1, and IDW2 characters (although I think that the Marvel category should be merged with the preexisting [[:Category:Regeneration One Decepticons]] into a single "Marvel Comics continuity" category). "Generation 1 toy" seems... less necessary to me. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 19:31, 23 August 2023 (EDT)
::: The [[:Category:Generation 1 Seekers]] and [[:Category:Generation 1 Aerialbots]] categories are good and useful categories to me, as the subgroup is the main thing, in these cases (IMO), and the subgroups have been divided on the franchise/continuity-family level.--[[User:Karanseraph|Karanseraph]] ([[User talk:Karanseraph|talk]]) 12:25, 25 August 2023 (EDT)
I would definitely dump the Regeneration One categories. It's just a miniseries, and not a very impactful one at that. Plus, 99% of those characters are already in Marvel G1 anyway. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:30, 25 August 2023 (EDT)

== Wiki Format ==

I have a question regarding the set-up of this site. It is one of the only ones I've seen not using fandom and has a nice set up. The Gundam fandom users are talking about maybe moving off of fandom, and this site has shown promising to be a potential new site if a similar format can be created but changed to be Gundam style. I know of someone who "runs" the wiki, and would like to possibly get in contact with them to look at this and see if its plausible replacement for that. If anyone can do something like that, or if it's not possible to use this format like that, then please lmk, thnx! (PS: I'm on the discord, GrootimusPrime, if that would be easier contact as that's also how I'll probably get the Gundam wiki spokesperson to see.) [[User:SkywarpsTwin|SkywarpsTwin]] ([[User talk:SkywarpsTwin|talk]]) 11:29, 7 September 2023 (EDT)
:The skin we use is just one of the standard skins that comes with Mediawiki (Monobook) with some styling applied. If they have someone who is expert at tweaking stylesheets, they should be fine doing that, though there are other standard skins they could also look at tweaking. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:05, 7 September 2023 (EDT)
::Alright thanks, Ill look into that and relay to Iserlohn. Thanks! [[User:SkywarpsTwin|SkywarpsTwin]] ([[User talk:SkywarpsTwin|talk]])
What hosting service is used? While I'm not quite sure of preferences of admin, I'm just looking into cheaper hosts that can run this wiki to be good and useable for all editors, as they span most of the world, centering around Asia and America. (PS. If anyone knows Fandom gund-wiki users, please keep this on the low-down, we are attempting to keep this relatively low-key as there has been problems between ours and their teams. Thanks.) [[User:SkywarpsTwin|SkywarpsTwin]] ([[User talk:SkywarpsTwin|talk]]) 09:55, 12 September 2023 (EDT)
:We're hosted by Linode. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:04, 12 September 2023 (EDT)

== Include these? ==

I feel like on fiction related pages, we should include major event sections (so readers don't have to spend 10h scouring the page for info). And maybe we also should indicate some characters' debut (and also indicate when it is the first time a char appears on that continuity, like hot rod debuting in the movie, then state which ep he debuted in the show proper, and so on so forth).[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 19:26, 7 September 2023 (EDT)
:I feel like this would be more character based, as there are subcategories, mostly of continuities and such, but then major events would typically be character based, as outside of debuts, most characters major events are different than others and arent shared.[[User:SkywarpsTwin|SkywarpsTwin]] ([[User talk:SkywarpsTwin|talk]]) 10:15, 12 September 2023 (EDT)

== Gundam ==
So I've noticed a few references to Gundam here, and a few important people mentioned regarding it, but the links all go to the wiki page which isn't really that helpful, so I was wondering if I could possibly make a new page for it similar to like the go-bots where it gives a gist of it and directs to mentions of people related to it in here? [[User:SkywarpsTwin|SkywarpsTwin]] ([[User talk:SkywarpsTwin|talk]]) 09:26, 21 September 2023 (EDT)
:No. Wiki pages are only made for other properties when they cross over ''directly'' with Transformers. Just sharing tropes or staff isn't enough. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:33, 21 September 2023 (EDT)
::Then second question, where does one email Hasbro to angrily complain about the fact there hasn't been a crossover on the most crossover-able series ever. Literally they are perfect for each other, and if Gundam can crossover with hello kitty I think tformers would be good.[[User:SkywarpsTwin|SkywarpsTwin]] ([[User talk:SkywarpsTwin|talk]]) 09:37, 21 September 2023 (EDT)
:::This isn't the place for this. Talk pages are for meaningful discussions on how to improve the wiki, not for fandom bantering. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 09:48, 21 September 2023 (EDT)

== Fandom Terminology: #maccadam ==
So on the Fandom Page we have a page for fandom terminology that became official and we also have a Category for Fan Terminology, right?<br>
Maybe it could be useful to have an actual page dedicated to widespread fanmade terms aswell in order to make it easier to get into the fandom?<br>
Similarly to the Page for "Ruined FOREVER", which is essentially also just a list for common (ridiculous) opinions so to speak.<br>
For example the #maccadam tag is mostly used for Fanart on platforms like Twitter, Instagram etc. but looking it up on Google leads you to the actual character and it takes some time to find an actual explanation what the tag actually means (it was supposed to make it easier for fans to differentiate between Bayverse and Non-Bayverse Content. Interesting way to split the fandom y'all.).<br>
The Fanart community is really big for Transformers and given that Fan fiction even has its own page I feel it to also be logical to include the Fanart-Tag somewhere.<br>
As an alternative, the tag could also just be mentioned in Maccadam's wiki entry in the Trivia section, but yeah that's why I'm here, to wonder and ask before adding info on the fandom.<br>
[[User:Thunderwave|Thunderwave/Bwans_Art]] ([[User talk:Thunderwave|talk]]) 17:54, 20 October 2023 (EDT)

== Remastering the Wiki's logo and background ==
This proposal is to recreate the current logo and background of the wiki in nicer quality and colors that are more accurate to the Transformers Animated logo.

It would NOT be a redesign of the wiki's skin, I'm talking about simply replacing the current files for ones in a nicer resolution. This would also be more convenient to any social media publication that requires the use of the logo, which has become a running issue due to the unavailability of a high quality file of it.

To elaborate on the colors, the current logo and background have noticeably darker and purpler shades of blue than the Animated logo, so ideally the new versions would correct that.

As an added value, having newer files whose PSD/AI files are available could open the doors to variations for Holidays such as Christmas or Halloween, which had been done in the past. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 16:54, 26 October 2023 (EDT)

:I think that it would be a nice idea. Does this also mean remastering the headers of the links (The "Navigation", "Search", "Toolbox" and "Advertisement" thingies.) on the sides of each webpage? [[User:JJ2104|JJ2104]] ([[User talk:JJ2104|talk]]) 18:29, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
:That is a possibility, yes. It will depend on how well they look alongside the hypothetical new Logo and Background. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 23:49, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
:I'd say this is a no-brainer and probably something we should be doing every few years. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:13, 28 October 2023 (EDT)

(Hope I'm doing this right, haven't used the community portal before)
I used to do some SVG art for college work. I know Wikipedia uses SVGs for similar situations specifically so things can scale up and down without losing quality, and I'd be happy to take a crack at doing something along those lines for the TFWiki logo to futureproof it, if that would suit how these images are displayed on the backend. [[User:Magmatron|Magmatron]] ([[User talk:Magmatron|talk]]) 09:14, 21 November 2023 (EST)

== Up button ==

As per a request, I added a floating up button that will take you to the top of the page you're on. It should only appear once you've scrolled a little way down a page, and will take you back to the top when clicked. I'm adding this section here so people can offer feedback. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:34, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
:I see it when I load a page and it goes away when I scroll down. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:42, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
::It might require doing a shift-reload or whatever the equivalent is in your browser, as stuff can get cached. If that doesn't fix it, let me know which browser you're using, as it might be browser specific. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:47, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
::Gotcha, works now. (Using Chrome.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:56, 27 October 2023 (EDT)

:Oh that's nice. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:12, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
:I like it! -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 22:09, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
:I personally find the new up button a bit distracting (I think just because it's a large button placed in the middle of the important content part, though I understand we don't have unlimited screen real estate here) but I can see its purpose. I like the red arrow which matches well with the GO! buttons, gives it cohesion and prevents it from clashing with the rest of the site aesthetically too much. Personally blocking it in uBlock Origin for now myself just because it's not too useful for me personally, but I can imagine a quick way to the top being a valuable addition. --[[User:ShyAndroid|ShyAndroid]] ([[User talk:ShyAndroid|talk]]) 23:57, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
::I can kinda see the opinion of it being distracting, what with it being a bright red object appearing in the top-middle of the screen. Were it off to the side like, say, on the top-right or bottom-right corner of the screen, it'd be more conveniently out of the way. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 02:44, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
:::Definitely a great UX improvement. As to workshopping, perhaps moving it to the left of the screen where we maintain a big ol bar of negative space anyway? Presuming we can set it only to appear once the reader is below the bottom banner ad to avoid overlap, of course. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 03:30, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
::::I dunno, if we're gonna move it to either side, maybe the right near the scroll bar would be better and more intuitive, people're more likely to look in that direction if they wanna jump (and if this works on mobile, which I've not checked, even better since mobile scroll bars ''suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck''). I think the center is fine tho. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 03:58, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
:::::Nah, having it in the centre looks hideous. It'd be better off on one of the sides - I'd say the left side, under the banner ad in the negative space column, but the right side could work if it doesn't block the edit buttons or anything like that. [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 10:36, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
:::::: I say the right because putting it on the left would make it appear over all the various sidebars we have over there. We don't have anything on the right side, so it would have plenty of negative space to hover over out of the way. Put it either in the top-right corner or the bottom-right corner. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:05, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
:::::::Again, going left justified is only being discussed ''under the condition'' we can prevent it from appearing until the user is below the sidebars. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:20, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
:::::::I think it's appearing way too early and on pages that are too short. Right now it's hovering there right after the sidebar hits the top of my screen, where scrolling back to the top is laughably easy. Also, having it in the middle doesn't seem readability friendly – I clicked through to this section of discussion from Recent Changes, and having an arrow obscuring the body text of the section I was directly linked to seems like a bad idea. I'm seconding the need for it to be somewhere less obtrusive – preferably the blue space on the left once one scrolls past the sidebars/ad. —[[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 13:31, 28 October 2023 (EDT) P.S. it seems weird to have it on editing/backstage pages??
:::::::I agree with the opinion that the mostly empty space on the lower left is the best solution, appearing after all the actual stuff there is out of the way. Articles short enough to not go past the useful part of the left side benefit little from its appearance since the left sidebars aren't all too long, and it's a convenient spot where it wouldn't block anything else. While I can see where people discussing placement in the lower right are coming from, if we can get it appearing after all of the important things, I'd be in full support of its placement in the lower left. [[User:ShyAndroid|ShyAndroid]] ([[User talk:ShyAndroid|talk]]) 14:26, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
::::::::How far down before it appears is easily adjustable - at the moment it's set to 200dp, so making it only appear further down is just a matter of changing that to a larger number. I'll tweak to lower left and we'll see how we go. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:15, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
::::::::I'm going to add another vote for "it's super distracting on desktop and appears when I've barely even started to scroll down at my resolution." -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:38, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::I've moved it to bottom left so it'll be out of the way and also only appear once you've scrolled past the stuff in the left column. You may need to hit reload to see the change, as caching can be aggressive. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:59, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
::::::::::Much better, thanks! -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 16:37, 1 November 2023 (EDT)
:::::I would prefer that it appear ''only'' on mobile if it has to appear at all. When I browse webpages on my PC, I can just hit the Home key to jump to the top. [[User:Bag of Magic Food|Bag of Magic Food]] ([[User talk:Bag of Magic Food|talk]]) 15:14, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
:Since a lot of users on the Discord were confused by its appearance, it does seem that its function isn't immediately obvious at first glance, so we're implementing a new version with "GO to top!" written below it for clarity. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:01, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
::Oh wow that looks perfect now imo! --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:09, 28 October 2023 (EDT)
:For me (Chrome on desktop) it's displayed right underneath the page title and if I scroll even just slightly down it vanishes, completely defeating the purpose hahaha. <br>
:The button in general looks very clunky, it takes up a bit too much space imho. Why not have it hover left from the page title instead of underneath? - [[User:Thunderwave|Thunderwave/Bwans_Art]] ([[User talk:Thunderwave|talk]]) 08:41, 31 October 2023 (EDT)
::You need to clear your browser cache. Hold Shift and press F5. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:55, 31 October 2023 (EDT)
:: Ohh got it, thanks! [[User:Thunderwave|Thunderwave/Bwans_Art]] ([[User talk:Thunderwave|talk]]) 15:03, 1 November 2023 (EDT)

== Desktop site mobile bug?==
I don't know if this is just my phone or not, but just recently when viewing the wiki on mobile, it looks like it's in Desktop site all the time even if it's not actually in Desktop site. Is this just me? It really affects reading.--[[User:CyclonustheWarrior|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior|talk]]) 20:16, 3 November 2023 (EDT)
: I'm pretty sure that we don't even have a "mobile version". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:40, 14 November 2023 (EST)
::We do, though you have to be logged in and switch to it in your preferences. We have WPtouch which is a generic Mediawiki mobile version and there's also MonacoBookBeta, which was my attempt to make a skin that looks like our regular one but which switches to a mobile formatting automatically. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:02, 14 November 2023 (EST)

== Linking to SG versions of characters through suites? ==
Maybe I'm alone in this, but I find it odd that we don't have some sort of more direct and obvious link to the SG iterations of characters in the articles of their "positive universe" counterparts. I'm not suggesting we merge them, obviously, but I don't think it would hurt to add a link to, say, [[Optimus Prime (SG)|SG Optimus Prime]] to [[Optimus Prime (G1)|G1 Optimus Prime's]] suite. Same goes for the SG Animated characters like [[Optimus Prime (SG Animated)|SG Animated Optimus]]. Granted, I'm not sure if it would make some of the suites, especially Optimus', too crowded. I'm also not sure how to handle non-G1 characters like [[Demolishor (SG)|SG Demolishor]] and [[Hot Shot (SG)|SG Hot Shot]], if we would put them on their UT counter pages or their G1 counterpart pages. [[User:Turborun|Turborun]] ([[User talk:Turborun|talk]]) 18:34, 4 November 2023 (EDT)
:I think this is pretty pointless. If someone wants to look for a character who is from Shattered Glass, they're going to look up "[character name] (SG)" or whatever. And from there they can get to the main counterpart from the disambiguation template at the top. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:38, 4 November 2023 (EDT)
:Suites are for linking together subpages that would ordinarily all be on the same article but were split off because of length. I think using them to link to other characters is just going to lead to them becoming bloated. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:14, 4 November 2023 (EDT)
::Yeah. And let's be real, there's other versions of those characters that are WAY closer together than most SG iterations are to their namesakes, and at that point we're just replicating the disambig template function with unnecessary bloat. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:19, 4 November 2023 (EDT)
All fair points. I didn't really consider the fact that suites are mainly used for subpages. Nevermind then. [[User:Turborun|Turborun]] ([[User talk:Turborun|talk]]) 20:01, 4 November 2023 (EDT)

== Press release or logo for 30,000 articles? ==
Is it worth putting something together as we get very very close? Maybe something like:
* 3 from Thrilling 30 logo
* 0 from the 40th logo
* 0 from the Vector Sigma "Featured" logo
* 0 from the cosmic-streaking O in the TFTM opener
* 0 from GO!

Just a suggestion.... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:45, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:If we wanted to go down that route, maybe tie into some of the contemporary material? Say, the "O"s from [[Energon Universe]] or [[Transformers: Legacy#Legacy: Evolution|Evolution]]? (Though the latter isn't exactly straight-on...) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:38, 10 November 2023 (EST)
::Sure! I lean towards the Energon Universe choice. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:48, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:Apologies, I've corrected the count on the main page as it was inaccurate, so we're not as close as it looked like we were. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:20, 10 November 2023 (EST)
::That just means we have more time to decide and, if so, pull things together. :) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:51, 10 November 2023 (EST)

== Replacing images (IDW) ==
I intend to replace as many of the images from IDW as possible with higher quality versions of themselves(where there's space for improvement that is). I want to know if that's okay with everybody. -- [[User:Darthrone|Darthrone]] ([[User talk:Darthrone|talk]]) 11:08, 12 November 2023 (GMT)
: Define "higher quality". I've brought this up before in regards to toy stock images ([[#Stock_image_sizes|see above]]), but this wiki doesn't really need huge, HD, print-level imagery for most things, and in fact, bigger images can actually be a ''problem'' by putting vast amounts of incremental work on our servers to thumbnail stuff. ''Cleaner'' is fine (though given most of our comic images likely come from old Comixology digital editions good luck getting cleaner than that), but we rarely need a pic to be more than like 600 to 800 pixels tall. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:42, 12 November 2023 (EST)
:: I only thought of the idea after I ran into a surprisingly low quality image. Of course most of them aren't like that, but I intend to find those that are in a similar situation. The size of the images was actually my main concern and why I had to ask by the way. Thank you for the tip, I'll attempt to find '''cleaner''' versions above all else. -- [[User:Darthrone|Darthrone]] ([[User talk:Darthrone|talk]]) 10:34, 13 November 2023 (GMT)
::: If you're looking for low-quality images to replace, we have a [[:Category:Images to be replaced|whole category]] full of those. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 03:50, 13 November 2023 (EST)

Magmatron (BW)

2023-10-27T22:47:55Z

Magmatron: /* Legacy */

{{factions|predacon|dinobot|maximalbm}}''
{{picsneeded|fictional appearances}}

:''Magmatron is a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] from the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].

[[File:Magmatronbm.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|Part robot, part 3 different prehistoric animals, and he can ''dance''.]]
As befits a decorated Warrior-General, '''Magmatron''' (マグマトロン ''Magumatoron'') is capable of both elegant, reasoned judgment and wild, vicious action. Once he has set his sights on a goal, his drive to achieve it is unwavering and he will accept nothing less than total victory. Despite these attributes, and prodigious physical power, Magmatron's greatest advantage often lies in his charismatic leadership. Revered and admired by his soldiers, Magmatron fits the title "[[Emperor of Destruction]]" better than most.

On the surface, Magmatron seems to have much in common with [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. Both are schemers and planners, willing to subvert the established Predacon power structure to suit their plans and ultimate ambition for power, and possessing the strength to fight off any who challenge them. Their key difference lies in their relationships to that power structure. Megatron is at heart a rebel, working outside existing society. Magmatron, on the other hand, values his position of power and eminence in the current Predacon hierarchy, and though he schemes to someday stand at the top of that body, he is unwilling to risk his current high standings any more than he must to achieve those future goals. Also, while Megatron is more openly abusive and harsh with his troops, Magmatron operates with more military professionalism when interacting with his own soldiers. This aspect of Magmatron's personality may also be due to his more professional background, as opposed to Megatron's more rogue-ish ways.

Magmatron possesses a [[mitotic spark]] which allows him to separate into three dinosaur forms called '''Landsaurus''' (ランドサウルス ''Randosaurus''), '''Seasaurus''' (シーサウルス ''Shīsaurus''), and '''Skysaurus''' (スカイサウルス ''Sukaisaurus''),<ref>Referred to as "Landsaur", "Seasaur", and "Skysaur" in Magmatron's ''Beast Machines Dinobots'' bio.</ref> or merge them into a single monstrosity called '''Magmasaurus''' (マグマサウルス ''Magumasaurus'').

==Fiction==
===''Beast Wars Neo'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Show Ryuzanji]] (Japanese)|[[Kwan-cheol Kim]] (Korean)}}
[[File:Magmatron cartoon.jpg|left|thumb|No, the toy isn't this cool.]]
Magmatron was fighting [[Big Convoy]] on a distant planet, up until he confronted him personally. Shocked by the legendary warrior's appearance, he attempted to stand against him, but was quickly disabled by Convoy's “Big Cannon”. Much later on, Magmatron and his troops were stationed on [[Gaia]], where they caught a glimpse of five new [[Maximal]] recruits touching down on the planet's surface. In response, he immediately ordered his soldiers to crush their opposition. He then rendezvoused with the other Predacons, surrounding their hostage, [[Stampy (BW)|Stampy]], who told them where the Maximals were. Going off of this information, Magmatron found his way to Big Convoy and the other recruits, mocking the legendary Maximal warrior for being a teacher rather than a lone wolf like before. Convoy's students then formulated a plan to rescue Stampy, with [[Colada]], [[Break]], and [[Longrack (BW)|Longrack]] taking on the other Predacons, and [[Heinrad (BW)|Heinrad]] freezing time for long enough to snatch the rabbit ‘bot away from Magmatron, and return back to his team unscathed. Enraged at having lost his hostage, Magmatron fired at Heinrad, who ducked, allowing the shot to instead hit Big Convoy in the chest. Demanding payback for his previous defeat, Magmatron prepared to launch another “Magma Rocket”, but was countered by Big Convoy's “Big Cannon” once more. Seeing how the battle was unfolding, [[Guiledart]] requested that [[DNAVI]] take them back to headquarters, which teleported all Predacons away from the combat. Back on his ship, Magmatron vowed to take the [[Angolmois Energy]] that rightfully belonged to the Predacons, before Big Convoy and his Maximals could. {{storylink|Big Convoy, Move Out}}

Magmatron received a transmission from [[Saberback]], who was stationed on the planet [[Godbless]], and had found a capsule of Angolmois energy. Saberback gloated to him about his abilities to create illusions, but Magmatron dismissed this, and was only concerned about the recovery of the capsule, and the plundering of the planet for natural resources. Later on, when Saberback asked to be teleported back to the ship with the capsule in tow, Magmatron told him that he couldn't teleport both at once, and that he'd have to make it back on his own. When Saberback told him that the Maximals were trailing him, and would complicate the situation, Magmatron ordered Guiledart, [[Dead End (BW)|Dead End]], and [[Sling]], to assist their comrade. When the Predacons were defeated by Big Convoy, Magmatron had DNAVI teleport them off Godbless before they could be harmed any further. {{storylink|Chase the Mysterious Capsule}}

Magmatron was on the ''[[Dinosaur (ship)|Dinosaur]]'' when Guiledart suggested touching down on [[Solid]] to retrieve the Angolmois capsule located there. Although Dead End had his doubts, Magmatron insisted, and had DNAVI teleport them down to the planet. {{storylink|Burning Heart Below Freezing}}

When Guiledart suggested outright attacking the Maximals on [[Maderan]] so that the Predacons could search for the Angolmois there unfettered, Magmatron agreed and gave him autonomy over the mission. He later had to come to the planet personally to recapture the Maximals when Guiledart was taking too long, dressing him down for failing at a supposedly simple mission. He did, however, allow his Predacons to torture their prisoners, himself taking great glee in seeing the Maximals in pain. Stampy was furious at the treatment of his friends and tried to attack Magmatron, but the Predacon leader swatted him away. When Big Convoy arrived soon after, Magmatron ordered a tactical retreat, and had DNAVI take the Predacons back to the ''Dinosaur''. {{storylink|Hang in There, Stampy}}

[[File:Bwneo6 magmatron trisaur.jpg|right|thumb|300px|The Sauroboros.]]

Magmatron was at the helm of the ''Dinosaur'' when the Predacons were in orbit of [[Donovan]]. He noted that the Maximals were likely there to find the Angolmois, just like them. When his troops managed to find the capsule located on the planet, he was there to listen to the transmission between them and DNAVI, during which they were told that both them ''and'' the capsule couldn't be teleported at once. {{storylink|Mirage of the Sand}}

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===''Bom Bom'' manga continuity===
====''Beast Wars II'' manga====
Magmatron was a ''Giganotosaurus'' who led a gang of dinosaur rowdies on a primitive world in the [[7th Cosmos]]. After exposure to the Angolmois Capsule that crashed on the planet, the gang became more ferocious and killed [[Big Convoy#Beast Wars Neo comic|Big]]'s friends. The gang attacked [[Lio Convoy]], who had just arrived on the planet by accident, but failed because of Big's interruption. The gang followed Lio Convoy and Big's trails to the site where the capsule fell. Big pushed the gang into the valley, where the ''Giganotosaurus'' and its minions were caught in the explosion of the Angolmois Capsule and evolved into Transformers. The ''Giganotosaurus'' was fused with a ''Quetzalcoatlus'' and an ''Elasmosaurus'', becoming Magmasaurus. The Magmasaurus transformed into Magmatron, commanding his just-evolved minions to attack Lio Convoy and Big. Lio Convoy managed to defeat the henchmen with ease, but Magmatron took him out with one blast. With the power he now possessed, Magmatron claimed they would travel to various planets to kill every living thing. {{storylink|The Beast Wars "Neo" Begin!!!}}

====''Beast Wars Neo'' manga====
[[File:bwn-bigconvoy&magmatron-manga-06-riding.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]

{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|The 5 Rookies}} {{storylink|There Are 7 Capsules}} {{storylink|100000000000000000 Grains of Sandron!!}}}}

Later, Magmatron again met Big, now the Maximal Big Convoy. During a fierce battle, Magmatron indicated they had a history but Big Convoy couldn't remember and was surprised by Magmatron's words. When Magmatron thought he gained the upper hand, he was surprised by multiple blasts from his foe's [[Big Cannon]]. {{storylink|Mortal Combat! Twenty Thousand Meters in the Sky}}

The badly wounded Magmatron now had to separate himself into the three dinosaurs and stay in healing chambers. He ordered his henchmen to go to the planet [[Jörmungandr]] to retrieve an Angolmois Capsule. The group, however, failed and was sucked into space. The mysterious [[Unicron|Black Ball]], which had been retrieved by Big Convoy's crew, suddenly appeared in the ''[[Dinosaur (ship)|Dinosaur]]'', offering his troops, the [[Blentron]]s, to Magmatron. {{storylink|A Battle Fought Alone}}

Magmatron and Big Convoy were tricked to an {{w|amphitheatre}} where the last capsule was located by the Black Ball. Magmatron commanded the Blentron to attack Big Convoy's crew. During the battle, Magmatron was attacked from behind by a Blentron. It was revealed that both Magmatron and Big Convoy were the last Angolmois Capsule, and thus the Black Ball, who was actually Unicron, desired to consume them to regain the energy. Magmatron saved his old rival, who was despairing upon regaining his memory,and convinced him to team up to fight Unicron and the Blentrons. Magmatron was eventually chewed up and spat out by Unicron. A dying Magmatron, now reduced to only a head, left his [[Magma Blade (BW)|Magma Blade]] to Big Convoy as a "parting gift" and asked Big Convoy to give him an honorable "warrior's death" with his own sword. Big Convoy conceded to the request. {{storylink|Double Cross}}

Big Convoy later struck the blow that finished off Unicron's physical body with Magmatron's sword, avenging his death. {{storylink|Return to Zero}}

===''Beast Machines'' toy bio===
Magmatron was a member of the [[Dinobot (BM)|Dinobot faction]], revered and reviled in equal measure. He had been on an intergalactic quest for energy capsules, but when he returned to Cybertron he found it being overrun by [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon drones!]]

He served under [[T-Wrecks]], despite bearing a higher numerical rank and the nickname "Emperor of Destruction."

===3H comics===
Magmatron had become part of the new Dinobots, and was sent on a mission, given to them by the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]], {{Storylink|Departure}} to the planet [[Arkus]]. The mission was a trap, however, and Magmatron and his Dinobots were attacked by [[energy vampire]]s and their master known as the [[Dweller (G1)|Dweller]]. {{storylink|Betrayal}} Magmatron fought off the Dweller long enough for the Dinobots to escape. When they returned to rescue him, they found nothing but his sword. {{storylink|The Wreckers: Finale Part 1}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
{{BW Shell Game}}
Magmatron made his way to prehistoric Earth, with the intention of raising an army out of the protoforms left behind by the Axalon's crew. He watched from afar as Optimus Primal's team launched from the planet aboard an Autobot shuttlecraft, with Megatron as their prisoner.
As one of his agents, Razorbeast, activated the stasis pods remotely, another one of his lackeys, Spittor, reported that one of the protoforms had been activated as a Maximal instead of a Predacon. Abandoning his cover as a Maximal double-agent, Razorbeast fled from Magmatron and into the wild. {{storylink|Shell Game issue 1|Shell Game #1}}

===2006 IDW ''Beast Wars'' continuity===
According to one account, Magmatron was the result of one of many experiments conducted by the [[Tripredacus Council]] in the advent of protoform technology, after the signing of the Pax Cybertronia. {{storylink|Dawn of the Predacus}}

[[File:Magmatron speech TheGathering1.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb]]

Another account has it that, during the early days of the [[Pax Cybertronia]], Magmatron endangered the fragile peace, being an indomitable general who would not accept defeat. When he was finally brought to heel by the [[Tripredacus Council]], he still chafed under the terms of the treaty and the council's apparent willingness to roll over for the Maximals. However, he accepted his change in status and maneuvered into a position on the [[Committee for State Affairs]] alongside his old enemy, [[Big Convoy]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook|Beast Wars Sourcebook #2}}

Frustrated by the Council's decision to bide its time, Magmatron recruited a small band of disenchanted warriors and fostered a professional relationship with the Tripredacus agent [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] to keep abreast of the situation on [[Earth]]. With this information, he formed an elegant and tightly knit plan to travel backwards in time to prehistoric Earth and reprogram all of the remaining [[protoform]] Maximals into Predacons. Keeping his plans secret until the last moment, he revealed to his forces that the Council had ordered him to pick up the task where their previous agent failed: capture the rogue [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]].

[[Chronal phase|Chronically displacing]] his crew so that they could not be detected by the beast warriors who are already there, they set to work. He ordered [[Razorbeast]] to begin activating the [[stasis pod]]s while [[Spittor (BW)|Spittor]], [[Manterror]], [[Transquito]], and [[Iguanus (BW)|Iguanus]] reported on their progress. They witnessed the birth of three Predacons, but Spittor was greeted by the Maximal, [[Polar Claw]]. More Maximals were spotted, revealing Razorbeast as a spy, but the warthog escaped into the wilderness. {{storylink|The Gathering issue 1|The Gathering #1}}

Once his new army was assembled, Magmatron ordered them to hunt down the Maximals. [[Drill Bit (BW)|Drill Bit]] and Spittor, however, accompanied Magmatron on his personal quest to find Razorbeast. He located the spy and quickly gained the upper hand with his three dinosaur modes, but Razorbeast pulled a fast one, and buried the Predacon leader beneath a mountainside. Magmatron soon recouped his losses by recovering the spark of the Tripredacus agent, Ravage. {{storylink|The Gathering issue 2|The Gathering #2}}

[[File:Gathering3-Megatron Magmatron.jpg|right|upright=1.5|thumb|Insert "Megatron not pleased a BWN character is stealing his role" joke here.]]

Iguanus, having located a [[blank]] protoform, assisted Magmatron with rebirthing Ravage in a new, [[Transmetal 2]] body. Magmatron ordered Ravage to hunt down and terminate Razorbeast's Maximals. Magmatron proceeded to set forth on his next mission; locating and capturing Megatron to ensure the Tripredacus Council didn't catch on to his real plans. He confronted Megatron, and the two engaged in battle. Megatron insisted that Magmatron was foolish for coming after him alone, as Ravage did, but Magmatron was not alone— Iguanus and Drill Bit ambushed Megatron and disabled him. The Predacons brought Megatron to a [[unspace|transwarp]] platform they had set up and prepared to send Megatron into the hands of the Council, but they were interrupted by the wandering [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]. {{storylink|The Gathering issue 3|The Gathering #3}}

[[File:MagmatronVGrimlock TheGathering4.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb]]

Magmatron engaged Grimlock in a vicious [[beast mode]] battle, and despite the Maximal's resilence, Magmatron eventually overwhelmed him. Grimlock was enough of a distraction, however, to let Razorbeast and [[Optimus Minor]] enter the camp undetected and steal a [[chronal phase facilitator]]. When Razorbeast confronted Magmatron in the open, the Predacon general saw an opportunity to settle an old score. But with Razorbeast using the facilitator to shift out of his chronal phase, Magmatron was unable to land a single hit on his smaller opponent. Optimus Minor removed the facilitator attached to the unconscious Megatron, returning the rogue to his proper chronal state. Magmatron lunged to stop it, and ended up falling onto the transwarp platform just as it activated. Razorbeast blasted the device, causing it to malfunction and send Magmatron to parts unknown. {{storylink|The Gathering issue 4|The Gathering #4}}

Razorbeast's meddling in Magmatron's transwarp shunt caused the Predacon commander to be consigned to a temporal limbo, able to traverse the whole of history but unable to affect any of the events he witnessed. Through this, he saw the eventual end of Cybertron as its inhabitants set upon each other with beastly fury while [[Shokaract]] summoned [[Unicron]] to devour the planet. Knowing that the roots of this catastrophic event were already beginning in his time, Magmatron turned to the enemy who had consigned him to this fate. Exerting what little influence he could, he stabilized the Transwarp carrier signal sent by the Maximals weeks earlier, allowing the time-lost distress call to be received by [[Lio Convoy]] and the [[Pack]]. {{storylink|The Ascending issue 1|The Ascending #1}}

[[File:Magmatron Ravage TheAscending2.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb]]

Magmatron's meddling effect on the timestream was noticed by Unicron, who dispatched [[Latolata|Rartorata]] to Earth to deal with the assembling combatants there. His ability to change the future was increased further, however, when during the confusion of the battle on Earth between the Maximal and Predacon forces, a playing 'possum Ravage made contact with the chronal displacement bands. Magmatron was able to use his limited influence to hold Ravage inside chronospace, where he was able to make contact with the former [[Decepticon]]. Magmatron briefed him on the apocalypse that could yet come, urging him to call a truce with the Maximals in an effort to stop the end of all things. {{storylink|The Ascending issue 2|The Ascending #2}}

From his chronal prison, Magmatron watched his rival Big Convoy die at Shokaract's hands in the future, knowing that it was only a prelude to the destruction to come. {{storylink|The Ascending issue 3|The Ascending #3}} A combined group of Maximals and Predacons returned with Ravage to present-day Cybertron to battle Shokaract, arriving before Big Convoy could be killed. Ravage again briefed with Magmatron, who instructed him to send a Maximal to attach a chronal-displacement device onto Shokaract's body. This was eventually accomplished at the cost of many lives and Shokaract was brought to Magmatron within chronospace. Magmatron showed him Cybertron's future and the realization that he was a pawn of Unicron caused a distraught Shokaract to commit suicide, causing a "time-lash" that freed Magmatron from limbo.

The restored Magmatron informed the assembled Maximals and Predacons that the threat had ended. He also reported that his old foe Razorbeast had died on Earth and respectfully declared the Maximal worthy of a momument. {{storylink|The Ascending issue 4|The Ascending #4}}

====Ask Vector Prime====
[[Vector Prime]] and his [[Time Warrior (AVP)|Time Warrior]]s prevented Magmatron from falling prey to the [[X-Dimension]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/12}}

===Waspscream continuity===
In [[Primax 208.06 Zeta]], Magmatron and the [[Dinobot (BM)|Dinobot]]s were among the resistance groups against [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]]'s [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon]] rule of Cybertron. After the defeat of the Vehicons, Magmatron formed a new High Council with [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspscream]], [[Icebird]], and [[Rodimus Primal]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/16}}

===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
[[File:BWU Magmatron.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb]]

Magmatron was chief engineering specialist aboard the ''Dinosaur'', overseeing junior engineers [[Crazybolt (BW)|Crazybolt]] and [[Dead End (BW)|Dead-End]]. During the launch of an away mission to [[Metascan Omega|LGC-8803]], the ''Dinosaur'' was attacked by an [[Intruder]] craft, putting Magmatron to work maintaining the integrity of his ship.

He had little time to spare when [[Killer Punch]] came by with a tale of the hallways moving on him and [[Hydra (BW)|Hydra]] possibly being killed. Still, the intelligence specialist's sensor logs were compelling, so Magmatron arranged for a localized brown-out so that Killer Punch could reach the laboratory the ship seemed dedicated to keeping from him. It was only due to Killer Punch's paranoid comms channel that Magmatron saw what happened next. The Builder political officer [[Synapse (BWU)|Synapse]] bragged about killing Hydra before having Killer Punch killed as well. An uprising had begun on Cybertron, and Synapse couldn't have the proto-former crew getting any sympathetic ideas.

Magmatron rallied the remaining members of the crew on board in a plan to reach the captain's chambers and disable the ship's internal defenses. He and [[Guiledart]] made their way to the captain, only to find [[Full-Tilt (G1)|Full-Tilt]] wasn't responsible for the attacks on the crew. He had been severed from control of the ''Dinosaur'', actually the [[Titan (group)|Megamaster]] war criminal once known as [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]. Additional damage done by the [[Destructon]] intruders only made the situation more perilous, forcing the chief back to engineering to keep the ship in the air long enough to seize control of it. Once Dead-End disabled Trypticon's higher consciousness, Magmatron and Full-Tilt were able to preserve the ship's integrity long enough to crash it on LGC-8803, opening the starship up into a new colony dubbed [[Dinosaur City]].

Leaving Full-Tilt, first officer [[Longrack (BW)|Longrack]], and others behind on Dinosaur City, Magmatron manned a shuttle with a contingent of his crew who wished to return to Cybertron and fight in the [[Grand Uprising]]. {{storylink|Intersectionality}}

Magmatron's crew remained intact as a unit when they joined the Resistance. Guiledart, Bazooka, Crazybolt and Rampage were only joined by two additional resistance fighters named [[Archadis]] and [[Sling]]. Archadis was an arrogant lout, but his prior loyalty to [[Lio Convoy]] led to him being named second-in-command of Magmatron's squad. During a mission to eliminate a traitor named [[Snapper]] in the midst of a prisoner transfer, Magmatron's unit was separated from Rampage and got into a protracted shoot-out with the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]] guards. Rampage returned, uncharacteristically asking for help. He had been drafted into the defense of Cybertron by the Oracle against the [[Antares Eight]], disguised aliens intent on exposing Cybertron to conflict with the [[Human Confederacy]]. Magmatron abandoned Lio Convoy's mission to help Rampage, even fighting alongside Snapper and the Constructicons in the process. Once the dust settled, these united Cybertronians mostly chose to remain together as the [[Ex-Bot (BWU)|Ex-Bots]], defending innocents in [[Proximax]] and beyond from the fallout of the Builders' war with the Resistance. Archadis and Sling left to return to Lio Convoy, but the others remained with Magmatron and Rampage. {{storylink|Cultural Appropriation}}

Magmatron and the Ex-Bots defended Proximax from the horrors of war over the next stellar cycle. Magmatron and the former MaxCop [[Stiletto]] rose to the top as co-leaders of the motley collection of bots from different factions. They captured a renegade Predacon scientist named [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] intent on using a [[Robo-Smasher]] on the populace. The war between the Builders and the Resistance was soon overcome by the [[Vehicon Apocalypse]], as the Builders latest weapon turned against them and the planet at large. The Ex-Bots joined the fight, and advanced with various armies on the [[Grand Mal]], center of Vehicon activity. Magmatron and Guiledart found themselves fighting alongside the [[Legion of the Inferno]], army of the [[Independent Predacus States]]. When the Mal fell (thanks to Rampage), Magmatron's three forms coordinated the various forces in corralling and eliminating as many disoriented but functional Vehicons remained.

In the aftermath, Magmatron's battlefield activities had impressed [[Ram Horn]], last survivor of the previous [[Tripredacus Council]]. He was offered a place on the new council, joining Ram Horn and [[Ser-Ket (BWU)|Ser-Ket]], protege of the fallen founder of the Predacons, [[Preditron]]. Magmatron represented the Independent Predacus States at the Grand Summit orchestrated by Lio Convoy, as the [[Cybertronian Parliament]] was forged to lead Cybertron into the next millennium. {{storylink|Derailment}}

===Legends World===
Magmatron of the [[Legends World]] was the principal at a school. When [[Big Convoy|Big]] suggested changing the "HR" for "home room" to "TF" for "''Transformers''" during a staff meeting, Magmatron asked what he was going to do during "TF" period. When the teacher said he'd talk about ''Transformers'', Magmatron noted that was he already was doing and considered firing him. {{Storylink|LG59 Blitzwing Prologue: Big-sensei#Very Strange|Very Strange}}

After the Legends World was destroyed, Magmatron ended up on [[Beast (planet)|Beast]], where he became a full-fledged Beast Warrior through [[Transformers sickness]] and helped fight against [[Galvatron II]] and his [[Nemesis (BW)|Nemesis]]. {{storylink|The Road to Legends' Revival Chapter 3}} When the Legends World was restored, Magmatron returned to it, and was present when [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] announced he was leaving the universe. He later was present for the graduation ceremony of Big's class. {{Storylink|Transformers Legends Final Chapter "Epiloge"|Epiloge}}

==Toys==
===''Beast Wars''===
[[File:Beast Wars-Magmatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|My entire body is hinges!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-p1|'''Magmatron''' (February, [[1999]])}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number'': '''D-35'''
:*''Sonokong ID number'': '''D-05'''
:*''Accessories'': "[[Magma Blade (BW)|Magma Blade]]" Sword-hilt/launcher, "Magma Blade" sword-blade/missile, left & right "Wing Missiles", 2 "Giga Missiles"
{{toydesigner|[[Takashi Kunihiro]] (TakaraTomy)}}

: Part of the second wave of ''Beast Wars Neo'' products in the [[Japan]]ese ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars (Japanese toyline)#BWN|Beast Wars]]'' toyline, Magmatron is an Ultra-sized figure that transforms from a massive robot into three prehistoric reptiles—a ''{{w|Quetzalcoatlus}}'' ("Skysaurus"), a ''{{w|Giganotosaurus}}'' ("Landsaurus"), and an ''{{w|Elasmosaurus}}'' ("Seasaurus").

: Each of his individual [[beast mode]]s feature a [[spark crystal]] and a form of storage for all of his accessories: Skysaurus's wings house his "Wing Missiles"; Landsaurus stores his spring-loaded "Magma Blade" hilt in its throat and the blade itself inside the tail; and Seasaurus stores his two "Giga Missiles" inside its body. Each of the individual beast modes also feature a gimmick: Skysaurus's gimmick is activated by pulling on the tail to move the wings in a flapping action; Landsaurus's mouth can plug either of the Skysaurus's Wing Missiles, which are fired by pulling back on the top of the head; and for Seasaurus, pinching on the back flippers makes the front ones move in unison to simulate a swimming motion. All three components of Magmatron can combine to form his "Magmasaurus" mode.

: In [[robot mode]], Magmatron—like most Ultra-sized figures—features multiple gimmicks and weapons. Magmatron's Magma Blade can be used in two different configurations; the first is the standard sword configuration, however, a second handle can be flipped out, allowing him to hold it as a blaster. Activating the trigger allows for any of his five missiles to be fired as his "Magma Rocket" attack. The lower section of Seasaurus becomes his "Magma Shield", that mounts on his left arm, and features the swimming gimmick from beast mode, which can now be used as his "Shield Crusher" pincer. As Seasaurus's neck is made up of multiple ball joints, its head can be manuevered through the gap between his shoulder and his left wing to simulate the "Magma Attack" from the cartoon. Magmatron also features free-rolling wheels on his robot feet which don't serve much of a purpose, though, they can be flipped down on Landsaurus to somewhat replicate [[Transmetal]] [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s "third mode" if so desired.

: Pictured in the box just below Magmatron's Magmasaurus mode (in the image to the right), is a recommended configuration for Seasaurus's neck joints to be positioned that enables you to have its head pegged onto his left shoulder snuggly. It's not very appealing to look at from behind, but it reduces the amount of neck hanging from his back and cleans up his silhouette from the front. All of the curves of his back-[[kibble]] make everything sit nice and tight against each other too!

: [[Sonokong]] released Magmatron in the [[South Korea|Korean]] ''Beast-War Neo'' toyline. This release features no changes to the toy itself, with the only differences being [[:File:D-05 Magmatron Sonokong.jpg|the packaging]] and bio cards.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1999/Destron/Magmatron/magmatron.htm More information on Magmatron at TFU.info]''

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<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m1p1|'''Cosmic Showdown: Big Convoy VS Magmatron''' (Vs pack, February 1999)}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number'': '''VS-35'''
:*''Sonokong ID number'': '''DX-05'''
:*''Accessories'': "Magma Blade" Sword-hilt/launcher, "Magma Blade" sword-blade/missile, left & right "Wing Missiles", 2 "Giga Missiles"

: Magmatron was also available in the "Cosmic Showdown" (大宇宙の対決 ''Daiuchū no Taiketsu'') vs-pack with [[Big Convoy#VS35|Big Convoy]]. Both toys are identical to their individual releases.

:This vs-pack was also released in Korea by Sonokong. Much like the single release of Magmatron, both toys are identical to the Takara releases, the only differences being the packaging and bio cards.

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<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-p1|'''Kinpika Magmatron''' (1999)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': "Magma Blade" Sword-hilt/launcher, "Magma Blade" sword-blade/missile, left & right "Wing Missiles", 2 "Giga Missiles"

:This gold [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] Magmatron was featured as a [[Lucky Draw figure|Lucky Draw]] giveaway.

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<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-p1|'''Black Magmatron''' (1999)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': "Magma Blade" Sword-hilt/launcher, "Magma Blade" sword-blade/missile, left & right "Wing Missiles", 2 "Giga Missiles"

:This figure is a [[Black repaint|black]] [[redeco]]ed Magmatron and is a Lucky Draw item.

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===''Beast Machines''===
[[File:BM Magmatron Toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|"HasLab Star Saber is the first Japanese Transformer to be introduced in the US? That's cute."]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-bd|'''Magmatron''' (Ultra, [[2000]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': "Magma Blade" Sword-hilt/launcher, "Magma Blade" sword-blade/missile, left & right "Wing Missiles", 2 "Giga Missiles"

: One year after his Japanese release, Hasbro made Magmatron available to customers in the United States. The toy itself was slightly changed from his original release, with his missiles and sword "rounded off" to better conform with [[For safety reasons|United States safety laws]], and overall has a less "metallic" sheen to his plastic. Another more prominent difference is a duller-mustard shade of yellow paint being present on the pelvis of the robot mode, whereas the original has bright yellow.

: Hasbro's version of Magmatron was available [[exclusive]]ly through [[Target]] stores in the USA, in a box branded as part of the ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' toyline. For the most part, the packaging bore little resemblance to its Takara counterpart; however, it ''did'' feature a few elements in Japanese, meant to emphasize the "exotic" origin of the figure, namely a small version of the official Japanese ''Transformers'' logo (トランスフォーマー), the names of the toy itself, its combined beast mode and its three individual components in katakana, as well as a promotional blurb advertising the toy's features in Japanese that was lifted verbatim from the packaging of Takara's original ''Beast Wars'' release.

: The instructions for Magmatron incorrectly name two of his individual beast modes: the ''Quetzalcoatlus'' is referred to as a "''{{w|Pteranodon}}''", and the ''Giganotosaurus'' is referred to as a "{{w|Dromaeosauridae|raptor}}" (that is one ''biiiiiig'' raptor). The ''Elasmosaurus'' is referred to as a "{{w|Plesiosaur}}", which is ''kinda'' correct, just not as specific. The combined beast mode is termed a "Monster mode".

: His [[bio]] card describes him as a Maximal, and also places him on [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon]]-dominated Cybertron. However, his separate [[beast mode]]s still retain their Predacon [[spark crystal]]s.

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===''Legacy''===
[[File:LegacyMagmatron.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.66|Open the door, get on the floor, everybody walk the dinosaur (and pterosaur and sauropterygid)]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-p1|'''Beast Wars Universe Magmatron''' (Commander Class, [[2024]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Sword

: Commemorating the 40th anniversary of the ''Transformers'' brand, ''Legacy: United'' Beast Wars Universe Magmatron is a Commander Class figure that retains his central [[gimmick]] of splitting into three prehistoric creatures: "Skysaurus", "Landsaurus", and "Seasaurus". He comes with a sword and blast effect parts redecoed from the [[Omega Supreme (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|''Siege'' Omega Supreme]].

: While no photos have been shown, it was mentioned on the Hasbro Pulse stream that officially revealed the figure that the "Magmasaurus" alt mode of the original toy can be achieved.
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==Notes==
[[File:Diaclone Reboot Illustration.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|He's pretty much every vehicle in this image.]]
* Magmatron's Maximal on-package bio gives his quotation as "Til all is won", an obvious reference to a similar [['Til all are one|phrase]] that pops up in numerous other places in ''Transformers'' lore.
* The ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' incarnation of Magmatron is a "virtual redeco" of the revived ''[[Diaclone]]'' line's [http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/pictorial-review-of-diaclone-reboot-diabattles-v2/35531/ Dia-Battles V2] (ダイアバトルスV2) toy. You can thank [[Jesse Wittenrich]] for that idea. A transformation video of the 2016 toy can be [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYOjNZI12uU seen here.]

===Foreign names===
*''Korean:'' '''Magmatron''' (메그마트론 ''Megeumateuron'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Yán Chōng Tiān''' (炎冲天, "Soaring Flame")

==References==
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[[Category:Beast Wars: Uprising Predacons]]
[[Category:Emperors of Destruction]]
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