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Bumblebee (G1)

2008-05-20T19:52:13Z

ManOfIron: /* Generation 1 */

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:''Bumblebee is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]. He was known as '''Goldbug''' for a time in some continuities.''

[[Image:Bumblebeeg1.jpg|right|thumb|275px|Quit beating me up. It's not cool, it's not edgy. It's stupid and mean. HA HA WE HURT KID-APPEAL CHARACTER. Real frickin' mature.]]

'''Bumblebee''' is one of the smallest and physically weakest Autobots. While his stature allows him to do his job better than most Autobots could manage, he is self-conscious about his size. Maybe this is why he makes fast friends among the humans. He looks up (so to speak) to the other Autobots, especially [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], but what he doesn't realize is that ''they'' look up to ''him''. He may be small, but he's brave, and he's one of the most well-liked Autobots around. Bumblebee already has the respect he craves.

As '''Goldbug'''{{m-}}his rebuilt and "matured" form{{m-}}Bumblebee retains most of his earlier strengths and weaknesses, but without his crippling need for approval. (This is true of some "matured" versions of Bumblebee without new names or bodies, as well, but is quite markedly associated with the change to Goldbug).

{{quote|Some of my best friends are humans.|Bumblebee, on his kid-friendly nature|"[[Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1]]"}}

:''Nicknames'': '''Bee''', '''Beeper'''
:''French-Canadian name'': '''Bourdon/Coccinelle''' 
:''Japanese name'': '''Bumble/Goldback''' 
:''Hungarian Movie name'': '''Dongó''' ("Bumblebee") 
:''Italian name'': '''Maggiolino''', '''Wagenbot''' (as Goldbug) 
:''Hungarian name'': '''Űrdongó/Aranybogár''' ("Space-bumblebee"/"Goldbug") 
:''South American name'': '''Volks'''

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
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[[Image:Bumblebeemarvel1.jpg|100px|left|thumb|Bumblebee's first appearance... anywhere.]]

Four million years ago, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] led a crew of [[Autobot]]s including Bumblebee aboard the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' to clear a path through an asteroid belt for [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] to pass through. Once their objective was completed, they were attacked by [[Decepticon]]s and both their ships crashed in a volcanic mountain on a primitive planet known as [[Earth]]. In 1984, the volcano ([[Mount Saint Hilary]]) erupted, awakening their ship, which rebuilt them. Bumblebee was reconfigured to transform into a yellow Volkswagen Beetle. {{storylink|The Transformers (comic issue)|The Transformers}}

[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] led a mission into a human city to investigate their new world. Bumblebee, anxious to be the first to meet the planet's inhabitants, rear-ended a car full of teenagers at a drive-in movie theater. Before he could introduce himself, he was under attack by Decepticons and damaged badly. One of the teenagers, [[Buster Witwicky]], brought the car back to his father's auto repair shop. Bumblebee weakly pleaded to them to fix him, for he was dying. Buster's father, [[Sparkplug Witwicky]], fixed Bumblebee and offered to help the Autobots convert their native fuel resources into a form that Transformers could use. Bumblebee took Buster with him back towards the ''Ark'' to relay this message. {{storylink|Power Play!}}

[[Image:Bumblebeeplight.jpg|right|thumb|RARR BUMBLEBEE SMASH]]

After a seemingly final battle with the Decepticons, the long-lost Decepticon [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] arrived and reversed the Autobots' victory with a single blast. {{storylink|The Last Stand!}} Bumblebee and the rest of the Autobots were kept captive aboard the ''Ark'' until [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] managed to free the ''Ark'' from Decepticon control and repair them. {{storylink|DIS-Integrated Circuits!}} However, Buster had been entrusted with safeguarding the [[Creation Matrix]], which the Decepticons discovered, so Bumblebee and [[Bluestreak]] were sent to protect him. Buster was attacked by the Decepticons' newly-built but lifeless [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. Bumblebee and Bluestreak did their best to defend Buster, but it was Buster's use of the powers of the Creation Matrix which saved them all, disassembling Jetfire in mid-air. Bumblebee removed Jetfire's brain so Buster could reassemble and remote-control the body with his mind. {{storylink|Brainstorm!}}

''After the Creation Matrix was returned to a restored Optimus Prime, he was still somewhat disconcerted by his ordeal. When the Decepticon spy [[Ravage]] was briefly captured, only to escape again, Bumblebee saw how much this troubled his already upset leader and took it upon himself to chase down and capture the fleeing spy. Unfortunately, he got in over his head and was captured by [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s Decepticons after being led into a box canyon. In order to show the Autobots they meant business, Soundwave had [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] deliver Bumblebee's severed arm to the ''Ark'' as a message. Soundwave had learned from Ravage how low Prime's self-confidence was at that juncture, and planned to lure the despondent Autobot leader to his death. Instead, kidnapping Bumblebee just pissed Prime off, and he single-handedly bashed and battered his way through the entire Decepticon front, rescuing Bumblebee and restoring his confidence in the process. {{storylink|Crisis of Command!}}''

''During the Dinobot Hunt, Bumblebee went to Alaska with Optimus and Ratchet to reinforce the unit trying to overcome the rampaging [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]]s, [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] and [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]]. While scouting the perimeter, Bumblebee was shocked to discover a cloaked Autobot shuttlecraft and three of his comrades who had gone missing earlier in the Hunt. He also discovered a Decepticon-issue sonic lance (that was being used to drive Sludge "beserker mad") installed in the ship. Rightly suspecting a booby trap, instead of just turning the device off, Bumblebee instead evacuated his comrades and got a good distance away from the ship before using his gun to blow up the sonic lance. Good call — the shuttlecraft exploded violently the moment he did so. {{storylink|Dinobot Hunt}}''

When the Autobots took steps to fill out their ranks, Bumblebee was charged with giving four new recruits ([[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]], [[Skids]], [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]], and [[Tracks]]) a tour of the planet. Bumblebee decided a [[Brick Springhorn]] concert would be a good destination, but the Decepticons had sabotaged the event to harvest [[energon]]. Bumblebee disobeyed orders and led the four into battle, saving the concert. {{storylink|Rock and Roll-Out!}} When [[Robot-Master]] appeared on television and claimed to control the Transformers, it was Bumblebee's job to ask their human business parter, [[G.B. Blackrock]] what the deal was. Robot-Master broadcast next in a coal mine next to a de-energized [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], but before Bumblebee and several other Autobots could investigate, they were pushed away by overwhelming Earth military forces. {{storylink|I, Robot-Master!}}

This event caused Bumblebee to question his usefulness to the Autobots, and he abandoned them without a word. The Decepticons, however, saw much use for him and attempted to apprehend him. Hiding in a used car lot, he was stolen by [[Waldo and Ernest|two humans]], whom he adopted for a while. The Decepticons did not relent, and Bumblebee was ultimately rescued by the rest of the Autobots, an act which reminded him how valuable he was to them. {{Storylink|Plight of the Bumblebee!}}

[[Image:Goldbugmechanicaldifficulties.jpg|left|thumb|200px|In his earlier appearances, Goldbug kept Bumblebee's body and color scheme.]]
Due to [[#Conflicting Goldbug origins|conflicting circumstances]], Bumblebee was damaged and rebuilt into a stronger but similar form{{m-}}Goldbug. Goldbug and [[Blaster]] were ordered by the new Autobot leader, Grimlock, to track down the [[Mechanic]], who had stolen Autobot technology from the ''Ark''. Grimlock was a terrible leader and had no regard for human life, so both Goldbug and Blaster exiled themselves from his command. {{Storylink|Mechanical Difficulties!}} Goldbug and Blaster found themselves in the desert of the American Southwest and, thanks to a run-in with the Decepticon [[Triple Changer]]s, were infested with the disease known as [[Scraplets]]. Goldbug and his human friend [[Charlie Fong]] left to get help and possibly a cure, but Blaster believed Goldbug had abandoned him to die. {{Storylink|Crater Critters}} Near death himself, Goldbug arrived with Charlie at a gas station, where they met up with the [[Throttlebot]]s, sent from Cybertron by [[Ratbat]] and armed with acid to contain the disease. Goldbug narrowly escaped extermination when it was discovered that the cure for Scraplets was none other than ordinary [[water]]. Goldbug called industrialist [[G.B. Blackrock]] (on a pay phone), and Blackrock trucked in tanks of water himself. Blaster was cured and his trust in Goldbug was restored. {{Storylink|The Cure!}}

[[Image:Goldbugthecure.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Goldbug finished his evolution into his own [[character model]] by the time the Throttlebots showed up. He kept Bumblebee's colors, though.]]
''With the Throttlebots joining Goldbug and Blaster on their travels, the group discovered that the bodies of [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] had been found. While they initially intended to let the [[Combaticons]] destroy Galvatron, they were forced to intervene to save human lives. {{storylink|Ladies' Night}} This unfortunately attracted the wrath of the Combaticons.'' The group found refuge in a used car lot owned by [["Big Steve" Ludwig|Big Steve]]. However, they were all badly in need of fuel. They attempted a deal with Big Steve, but he double-crossed them, filling them up with soda pop instead of gasoline. It was then that the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobot]] caught up with them, followed by the Combaticons. During the ensuing battle, the immobilized Throttlebots (including Goldbug) were carted away by the humans' anti-robot organization, [[RAAT]]. {{Storylink|Used Autobots}}

Goldbug and the captured Throttlebots were interrogated by [[Intelligence and Information Institute|Triple-I]], who eventually had their bodies crushed in a pointless threat to stop Decepticon raids. However, their brain modules were transplanted by [[Walter Barnett]] into remote-control cars owned by his son, who sought out Goldbug's old friend Buster at Goldbug's suggestion. After being attacked by the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] and separated from the others, Goldbug and Buster traveled to Mount St. Hilary and found the ''Ark'' gone. Using equipment left behind, Goldbug and Buster sent a distress call, just before Ratbat revealed he'd tagged along and crushed the Autobot's toy car body. {{Storylink|Toy Soldiers!}}

Arriving in response to his distress call, the Autobot [[Headmaster]]s rescued Goldbug's shattered form, [[Chromedome]] patching into his circuits to ease the pain of retelling the attack and capture of Buster. {{Storylink|Trial by Fire!}}. Taken back to their ship, [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] built him a new body identical to his Throttlebot form. Goldbug used it on a mission that led to the discovery that Optimus Prime's mind was recorded on [[floppy disk]] and served as his leader's eyes in commanding the Autobot [[Pretender]]s. {{Storylink|Pretender to the Throne!}}

Goldbug championed the reconstruction of his former leader's body, until his present allies suggested contacting the ''Ark'' to seek the resources to do it. Goldbug was quickly imprisoned by Grimlock, but this allowed him to convince Blaster to fight the Dinobot. After the Decepticons attacked during the pair's duel, Fortress Maximus ordered Goldbug to take the ''[[Steelhaven]]'' and its skeleton crew back to [[Nebulos]] to rebuild Optimus Prime. {{Storylink|Totaled!}}

Arriving on Nebulos, Goldbug and the others were successful in rebuilding Optimus Prime despite the planet's now-toxic fuel. Goldbug avoided having to undergo the [[Powermaster]] process to survive like the other Autobots due to his high fuel efficiency. {{Storylink|People Power!}} On the journey back, Optimus and Goldbug investigated word of [[Sky Lynx]] starring in the [[Cosmic Carnival]], eventually rescuing the Autobot and his [[Spacehikers|young human companions]]. {{Storylink|The Cosmic Carnival!}}

[[Image:Bumblebeeskindeep.jpg|left|thumb|175px|Ratchet cares not for your maturation and [[Geewun|wishes you were more like 1984.]]]]

Goldbug was later destroyed by the [[Underbase]]-powered [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] in [[New York]]. {{Storylink|Dark Star!}} Goldbug was repaired by Ratchet using Pretender technology...sort of. Instead of simply restoring Goldbug, Ratchet rebuilt him as a much larger Bumblebee {{storylink|All the Familiar Faces!}}, explaining that he'd always preferred Bumblebee's original form. Before they could discuss it further, Bumblebee had to help [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and Grimlock against Megatron and his minions. While the new Pretenders defeated the other Decepticons, Ratchet seemingly sacrificed himself to destroy Megatron and his base. {{storylink|Skin Deep}}

Afterward, the three Pretenders briefly joined the Autobot resistance movement on Cybertron. Thanks to his increased stature, Bumblebee experienced a big boost of confidence as he and the others rejuvenated the resistance. In response, [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] ordered the [[Mayhem Attack Squad]] to assassinate them. As Bumblebee, Jazz, Grimlock and the [[Rescue Patrol]] prepared to teleport to Earth, the three Decepticons attacked [[Autobase]], sabotaging the [[Trans-Time Dimensional Portal|trans-time dimensional portal]]. All nine Transformers found themselves teleported into the heart of Cybertron, where the Autobots discovered the resting place of [[Primus]]. {{storylink|Yesterday's Heroes!}}

There, they encountered the [[Keeper]] and learned the secret origin of the Transformers, as well as of Primus's never-ending battle with [[Unicron]]. As the Keeper's tale ended, the Mayhem Attack Squad found the Autobots. Their initial attack destroyed the Keeper, but Bumblebee and the others handily defeated them. However, a stray blast woke Primus seconds before the repaired portal sent the Transformers back to Earth. {{storylink|Primal Scream}}

[[Image:Bumblebeedarkcreation.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Bumblebee's Pretender shell was forgotten after this battle, presumably (conveniently?) destroyed.]]

With Unicron undoubtedly on his way to devour Cybertron, Bumblebee and his fellow Pretenders embarked on a quest to find the lost [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]]. The three traveled to [[VsQs]], the last known location of Optimus Prime's funeral barge, to search for clues. Finding an abandoned science station, Bumblebee searched through its computer records. He confirmed that the scientists had found Prime's body and the Matrix, but also a strange [[Matrix Spawn|creature]] that promptly attacked one of the scientists. Before they could investigate further, Thunderwing attacked, also seeking the Matrix. Bumblebee used his Pretender shell to combat the Decepticon, only for Thunderwing to destroy it. The feedback temporarily knocked Bumblebee unconscious, and it seemed Thunderwing would destroy all three Autobots, until the Matrix Spawn attacked. While Thunderwing pursued the creature, Bumblebee and the other Autobots searched the science station for the Matrix. They recovered it, but were so low on Energon that they were becoming unable to compensate for the moon's heavy gravity. While they were attempting to reach their shuttle, Thunderwing overtook them, seizing the Matrix and leaving them for dead. {{storylink|Dark Creation}} Fortunately for Bumblebee, the Autobots sent a shuttle to rescue him and the others before they entered final shutdown. {{storylink|Eye of the Storm!}}

Bumblebee survived the war with Unicron, and was one of many Autobots left on Cybertron afterwards. {{storylink|Exodus!}}

=====Marvel UK future timelines=====

''In 2007, Bumblebee was stationed on Cybertron after [[Unicron]] destroyed [[Moonbase Two]]. Under the command of [[Rodimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], he helped ambush a group of Decepticon attackers, catching them in a pre-planned crossfire. {{storylink|Wanted - Galvatron Dead or Alive}}''

=====Earthforce=====
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''When Optimus Prime left Grimlock in charge of protecting Earth, Bumblebee signed up for the new "Earthforce" along with many of his long-time comrades. {{storylink|Break-Away!}} After Prowl disappeared while riding an atmosphere-destroying missile through the stratosphere (long story), Bumblebee and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] went looking for him. They picked up a set of Transformer lifesigns on a small island in the Bahamas, and took some speeder bikes to investigate. Instead of Prowl, what they found was a massive reconstructed version of [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], half-finished as the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s attempted to recreate their combined form as an independent super-warrior. Luckily, Bumblebee had Ironhide along to disable the automated defense ring protecting the Devastator project, and they were able to destroy "him" before the Constructicons could activate their creation. {{storylink|Desert Island Risks!}}''

''Later, Bumblebee joined Jazz, Ironhide and [[Sunstreaker]] in infiltrating the Decepticon [[Enclave]]. Fearing an alliance between the two Decepticon factions would be bad news for the Autobots, Ironhide conceived a plan to throw a spanner into the proceedings. Using an unconscious [[Headstrong]] as a patsy, the Autobots staged a sniper shot at Megatron. When Megatron and his Decepticons unleashed their firepower at the rocks where the shot supposedly came from, Jazz and Bumblebee tossed down Headstrong's body, leading Megatron to conclude Shockwave had tried to have him killed. The peace talks quickly went downhill from there. {{storylink|The Bad Guys' Ball!}}''

''Bumblebee was present when Wheeljack showcased his brand-new defense grid to successfully protect Autobot Earthbase. Unfortunately, Wheels forgot that, once activated, the defense system could only be deactivated from inside the base...behind the various laser cannons and heat-seekers and Acidbats he had turned on. While Prowl ran the gauntlet to reach the control center, Bumblebee and Jazz watched his back, drawing fire and disabling what defenses they could. {{storylink|The House that Wheeljack Built!}} Later, Bumblebee and several other Autobots went in pursuit of [[Motormaster]] of the [[Stunticon]]s, who had kidnapped their human ally, [[Irwin Spoon]]. Weaving their way through the various Stunticons who got in the way, Bumblebee and [[Tracks]] finally managed to trick two of Motormaster's own thugs into running him off the road themselves, giving Bumblebee a chance to rip off his cab door and retrieve Spoon. {{storylink|End of the Road (UK issue)|End of the Road!}}''

=====Conflicting Goldbug origins=====
[[Image:Goldbugorigins.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Ain't variant continuity FUN?!]]

''In ''[[G.I. Joe and the Transformers]]'', Bumblebee was destroyed by [[G.I. Joe]] due to a misunderstanding. They later rebuilt him as Goldbug with help from Ratchet. However, Marvel UK did not initially print the crossover, so an alternate origin for Goldbug was conceived. In the pages of the UK comic, Bumblebee was destroyed by a time-traveling [[Death's Head]] and repaired by a time-traveling [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]]. (The Marvel Joe/TF crossover was published in the UK towards the end of the series.) The conflicting origins for Goldbug is the single largest difference between the American and British Marvel Transformers comics; ''most'' everything else kinda sorta meshes together, if you squint.''
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====Generation 2====
[[Image:Fangrybumblebeeghosts.jpg|left|thumb|150px|A friendly game of Bumblebowling, honest]]
Years after the battle on [[Klo]], and the Autobots had returned to a renewed Cybertron, Bumblebee received a distress signal from G.I. Joe on Earth, notifying them of Megatron's return. He passed this information on to Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Goin' South}} He also accompanied Prime and a team of Autobots to an unnamed planet home to an ancient civilization which reportedly stored a cache of superweapons, and battled the Decepticons there until a monstrous native scared them away. {{storylink|Ghosts}}

Bumblebee was among the Autobot/Decepticon forces battling the [[Cybertronian Empire]] on [[Ethos]]. {{storylink|Escalation!}}

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====Classics====
{{note|Classics ignores both ''Generation 2'' and the Marvel UK comics.}}
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===American cartoon continuity===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Dan Gilvezan]] (English), [[Yoku Shioya]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Bumblebee-CyberToon.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Bumblebee's Cybertronic form could give [[Cosmos]] a run for his money.]]

After pilfering [[energy conductors]] with [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], Bumblebee boarded the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' with several other Autobots under the leadership of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] to search for energy. After Decepticons attacked the ''Ark'', Bumblebee, along with the battle's participants and their two ships crash landed on [[Earth]] 4 million years ago. They all laid dormant until 1984 when the ''Ark''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s computers were shaken alive as the volcano it crashed into erupted. Bumblebee was rebuilt to transform into a Volkswagen Beetle. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1}} After befriending the humans [[Spike Witwicky]] and his father [[Sparkplug]] after a Decepticon attack on an oil rig {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 2}}, Bumblebee was part of the team of Autobots sent to stop [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and the Decepticons from overpowering [[Sherman Dam]]. Bumblebee helped Ironhide carve out a new riverbed for the raging waters, saving a nearby neighborhood from being flooded. Such acts were one of the earliest that helped endear the Autobots to the humans. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 3}}

During the Decepticon development of their [[Space Bridge]] program, Megatron captured Bumblebee and altered a bank of his memory circuits to lure the Autobots into a trap. Bumblebee recovered in time to alert the Autobots to the true location of the Space Bridge. {{storylink|Transport to Oblivion}}

In 2005, he and Spike were on [[Moonbase One]] when it was eaten by [[Unicron]]. Luckily, Unicron takes some time to digest things, and the two (as well as [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]]) were spared an acid-bath in Unicron's guts by the timely arrival of Spike's son [[Daniel Witwicky|Daniel]]. {{Storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

Bumblebee appeared very rarely afterwards, although he was stationed on Earth at [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] for a time, apparently under Blaster's command. He was present when [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and Starscream's ghost came to Metroplex in an attempt to steal the giant's eyes for Unicron. When the Decepticons' invasion set the city on red alert, Bumblebee and Spike teamed up to search the complex for the attackers, just like old times. Running across Scourge in Metroplex's brain, they managed a drive-by ramming that knocked the tracker off balance, but ended up crashing and locking themselves inside Metroplex's voice control room. Guess they were really out of practice with their teamwork. {{Storylink|Ghost in the Machine}}

[[Image:Goldbugtroop1.jpg|110px|left|thumb|See? He still looks sorta friendly.]]

[[Image:Goldbugtroop2.jpg|100px|right|thumb|Eeeyeeaaggh!]]

When the body of Optimus Prime was retrieved by [[Gregory Swofford]] and [[Jessica Morgan]], [[Rodimus Prime]] led a team that included Bumblebee to investigate. However, Bumblebee and his teammates were attacked by a [[Hate Plague]]-infested [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] and heavily damaged. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}} After Optimus Prime was rebuilt by the [[Quintesson]]s, so too was Bumblebee into a more powerful but similar form. Bumblebee remarked that he now looked like a "gold bug". Optimus Prime decided this would be his new name.

Goldbug journeyed with Optimus Prime and the other survivors to [[Chaar]] in search of a heat-resistant alloy that could insulate Prime from the Hate Plague. However, infected Decepticon forces attacked and contaminated Goldbug as well. Goldbug and every other contaminated being were restored when Optimus Prime retrieved the Matrix and unleashed the remainder of its energy. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2}}

In an animation error, both Bumblebee and Goldbug are among the cheering crowds after the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]] ushers in a new Golden Age of Cybertron. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}
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===Japanese cartoon continuity===
====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
Goldbug and the Throttlebots appear a few times, their only real actions of note are attempting to deal with a strange metal-warping asteroid and being horribly twisted and warped by it. They were retrieved and repaired, and in the penultimate episode, the whole Throttlebots team tries to stop a [[Predaking]] bent on sinking ships and raiding villages, but were again defeated.

====''Kiss Players''====
[[Image:KPPrimeGoldbug.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Sometimes, toy-accuracy is a strange, strange thing.]]

In the year 2011, after the resurrection of Optimus Prime and Bumblebee's transformation into Goldbug, the two Autobots traveled to the planet [[Quintessa]] and rescued the [[Kiss Players (singing group)|Kiss Players]] and their partner [[Sparkbot]]s from the [[Sharkticon]] pit, also freeing their [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|spaceship]] from the Quintessons' trap. {{storylink|Kiss Players (fiction)|Kiss Players}}

===''Legends'' anthology===
Bumblebee, Spike, and [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] happened upon a badly damaged [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] while out racing. Bumblebee convinced the others to bring Starscream back to the ''Ark'' for repairs, under the rationale that while Starscream wouldn't have done the same for them, they weren't Decepticons. {{storylink|Redemption Center}}

Hey, remember that time in the comics when a couple of guys stole Bumblebee? What if they were kind of jerks? What if Bumblebee decided to make them pee themselves? {{storylink|Joyride (story)|Joyride}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
At the death of [[Sentinel Prime]], Bumblebee was part of an Autobot unit defending [[Altihex]] from the Decepticons. [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] ordered him, [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], and others to the ruins of [[Praxus]], where Grimlock declared that if the new [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] was unable to lead successfully, they would take control of the war's leadership... and take out the Prime. Bumblebee was among the group that was present for the Matrix transfer ceremony, where Optronix became Optimus Prime. However, a Decepticon assassination squad arrived and Optimus kicked some exhaust port{{m-}}Bumblebee declared that he was "awesome". However, Prime then ordered the Autobots to prepare an evacuation of Cybertron. During [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s attack on [[Iacon]], Bumblebee manned a turret in the [[Decagon]]. Eventually, Prowl ordered the Autobots to take them on individually, and Bumblebee went out carrying a cannon that was as [[scale|big]] as him. Bumblebee survived the destruction of Iacon, and Prime reversed his order of evacuation. {{storylink|The War Within}}

Bumblebee was one of the ''Ark'' crew that crashed on Earth, and awoke in 1984. During that time, he met Spike Witiwicky, becoming close friends with the fleshie. In 1999, the Autobots and humans allied and managed to capture the Decepticons, taking them in the ''[[Ark II]]'' back to Cybertron, along with seven humans, including Sparkplug Witwicky, Spike's father. However, the ''Ark II'' was sabotaged by rogue elements of the United States military (apparently as part of a plan by Shockwave). The humans were all killed, but a number of Transformers, including Bumblebee, survived, but in [[stasis lock]]. Bumblebee's body was recovered by [[Robert Hallo|General Hallo]] and [[Lazarus|Adam Rook]], but Rook stole Bumblebee and a number of other Transformers, selling them to various terrorists. Megatron broke free, and the [[Seeker]]s, being dicks, disassembled and played with Bumblebee's various components. Optimus Prime later rescued him. {{storylink|Prime Directive}}

After [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] sacrificed himself to stop [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]], Bumblebee deserted the Autobot army (for no stated reason). He headed to Spike's house, but Spike, resentful of the death of Sparkplug, lashed out at his old friend, but finally realized he was harsh on his old friend. The two went for a night on the town, where they stopped a mugging. {{storylink|Lost and Found}}

{{note|The closure of [[Dreamwave]] means we will never know if Bumblebee returned to the Autobots or if he and Spike formed a crime fighting duo.}}

===''Transformers/G.I. Joe''===
Bumblebee transforms into a WWII-era motorcycle with side-car. During their joint efforts to stop the [[Cobra]]/Decepticon axis of power he teams with the G.I. Joe member Scarlet. Bumblebee feels they make a good team and she can ride him any time{{m-}}how cheeky!

Presumably he shutdown with the other Transformers when the Matrix was destroyed.

===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
Bumblebee and Wheeljack were the only Transformers aboard the ''Ark'' to avoid capture and reprogramming by Cobra, a ruthless terrorist organization determined to rule the world. After disguising themselves as a Volkswagen Beetle and Lancia Stratos, respectively, the two tried to work out a way to free their comrades. They joined forces with G.I. Joe, G.I. Joe turned on them, Bumblebee and Wheeljack saved them anyway, Bumblebee beat up [[Storm Shadow]]'s robotic armor, and they ultimately saved the Earth from nuclear holocaust. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers}}

Later, Bumblebee was sent back through time to 1970s Earth's by a malfunctioning [[Teletran 3]], which also helpfully disguises him as a Ford Pinto. Bumblebee is unamused. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II}}

And then [[Serpent O.R.]] violated him to death with tentacles. Ew. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers: The Art of War|The Art of War}} This made Optimus Prime sad. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers: Black Horizon|Black Horizon}}
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===IDW comics continuity===
{{note|[[IDW Publishing|IDW]] Bumblebee is as easygoing and daring as his incarnations in previous continuities; that positive nature is tempered, though, by a pragmatic streak not often seen in previous incarnations of the character; while their human allies explore the Decepticons' Nebraska bunker, Bumblebee commented to Ratchet that, given the need for evidence of unusual Decepticon activity, the humans would be "acceptable losses". However, this did not prevent him from [[Infiltration issue 5|leaping to the humans' aid]] as they attempted to exit the collapsing command bunker.

Bumblebee uses a "[[holomatter]]" [[Media:Hotbumblebee.jpg|avatar]] when in public to avoid looking like an unmanned vehicle, which has the appearance of a young human female. It is unknown whether he has a feminine voice (or can affect one) to match his avatar's appearance.}}
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[[Image:Bumblebeeidw.jpg|right|thumb|Artist [[E. J. Su]] redesigned Bumblebee for the IDW ''Infiltration'' series. Deal with it.]]
[[Image:Hotbumblebee.jpg|left|thumb|100px|Hey! Look at that hot brunette! No... not [[Mikaela Banes|that one]]!]]
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Bumblebee was part of [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl's]] secret counter-infiltration unit on [[Earth]]. When [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] broke cover by [[Infiltration issue 0|rescuing a trio of humans]], Bumblebee was the one Autobot who supported his efforts. He was true to his role as an espionage agent and ferreted out their plans to continue joint operations against orders and joined in. He accompanied Ratchet and the humans to investigate an abandoned [[Decepticon]] bunker in [[Nebraska]]. At the bunker, while the humans were inside, two Decepticons attacked, and Bumblebee managed to take down [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], but not before Ratchet was shot and run over by [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]]. {{Storylink|Infiltration issue 4}}

Bumblebee left the humans with Ratchet and traveled to [[Oregon]], the location of the second Decepticon command bunker, observing the situation until the rest of the Autobot unit could arrive. After witnessing Megatron "disciplining" Starscream and subsequently downgrading the infiltration unit's status to [[Siege mode|Phase Two]], Bumblebee departed Oregon with the rest of the unit. {{Storylink|Infiltration issue 6}}

Bumblebee was tasked by [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] to check the area surrounding their base for surveillance. He found a great deal of it, prompting the decision to relocate the ''[[Ark-19]]''. He was aboard when the ship was shot down by [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]]. {{storylink|Devastation issue 1}} He survived but was injured in the subsequent battle with Sixshot. {{storylink|Devastation issue 4}}
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===Hearts of Steel===
Following a long period of deactivation, Bumblebee is the first of the Transformers to awaken during the age of humans. Bumblebee is impressed by the humans' industriousness, and disguises himself as a small steam locomotive, with no control cab, and a built in steam-hammer for driving spikes. {{Storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 1}} He thus directly competes with steel-driving legend [[John Henry]]. Henry sets aside his mistrust of automation after realizing that Bumblebee is a living being (not just a machine) who wants to put in a fair day's work. {{Storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 2}}

Bumblebee wakes several of his fellow Autobots, who soon discover that the Decepticons are also active in this era. {{Storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 3}} Bumblebee, the Autobots, and their new human friends work together to prevent the Decepticons' mighty [[Astrotrain]] from reaching [[New York City]]. With the Decepticons defeated, Bumblebee and the Autobots return to their slumber. {{Storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 4}}

{{note|Bumblebee's pre-locomotive "Ice Age Wars" [[altmode]] appears to be a spiky dinosaur, possibly a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastonia_%28dinosaur%29 gastonia]. He also has a transitional body, while he is preparing to take on his locomotive form, which is similar to his dinosaur body, but with no spikes.}}

===Descent Into Evil===
[[Image:Timelines-Bumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|You know you want me, baby.]]

Having been on the trail of the Decepticon agent [[Flamewar]] for a long, long time, now-[[Espionage Director|espionage director]] Bumblebee made his move, interrupting a supposedly-secure secret communication between Flamewar and the [[Tripredacus Council]]. He revealed that his agent, [[Ricochet (Descent into Evil)|Ricochet]] had installed a degenerating virus into [[Deathsaurus (G1)|Deathsaurus']] [[Virulent Clone (T)|clone army]]. Oh, and that since the Autobots now ''knew'' Flamewar's whereabouts and who she was working for, the Tripredacus Council would certainly consider her a liability. Which they did. So they blew her ship up. {{storylink|Descent Into Evil}}

That's cold, Bee. Real cold.

{{note|Bumblebee appears in his unreleased [[Alternators]] body.}}

===Unicron Trilogy===
====''Energon'' cartoon====
A robot using Bumblebee's character model is shown in a still-shot flashback as a member of the Autobot group led by [[Rodimus (Energon)|Rodimus]]. Whether this robot is an alternate-universe incarnation of Bumblebee or simply a similar-looking robot is{{m-}}like all [[Unicron Trilogy]] character-model cameos{{m-}}left to conjecture.

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==Toys==
{{main|Bumblebee (G1) toys}}

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==Trivia==
* The original Bumblebee toy was taken from the Japanese ''[[Microchange]]'' line, where it was available in yellow, red, and blue versions.

* Bumblebee appeared in one of five ''[[Generation 1]]'' [[public service announcements]], informing children that they shouldn't run away from home because it's "mean". This from the guy who ditched the Autobots for no real reason.

[[Image:Micromasterbasescommercial.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Bumblebee's rarely-seen [[Classic Pretenders]] [[character model]]. (Optimus Prime wants Goldbug back.)]]
* When Bumblebee reappeared in the Marvel Comics as a [[Classic Pretender]], he returned to his original toy's [[character model]], rather than one based on his new form. A new character model did appear in various toy commercials, however. These included one which introduced him and the other Classic Pretenders, and one where he and Jazz stupidly drag [[Micromaster]] bases into Autobot headquarters, causing everyone to flee when they transform and attack.

* Bumblebee/Goldbug was clearly a "top-tier" character in the first decade of ''Transformers'': he was the only 1984 Autobot still shipping in 1986; he received more toys during Generation 1 than any other character; he had a toy shipping during seven of Generation 1's eight-year run. However, [[Hasbro]] lost the right to use "Bumblebee" as a toy [[trademark]] during the ''[[Beast Wars]]'' and ''[[Beast Machines]]'' years, when ''Generation 1'' names were in disuse. That's right, the name "Bumblebee" was lost during the years everyone turned into animals.

* The ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Mini-Con]], [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]] is pretty clearly an [[homage]] to Bumblebee, from the coloration, placement of car-parts in robot mode, segmented-pipe biceps and even the head design.

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==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/Bumblebee/bumblebee.htm Bumblebee at TFU.info]

*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Bumblebee Bumblebee's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

*[http://www.tf-1.com/articles/mini_frame.php?art=whitemexbee White Mexican Bumblebee gallery at TF-1.com]

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2008-04-21T21:54:17Z

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==Re: [[Galvatron (G1)]], [[Transformers (2007)]]==
LISTEN UP FOOL, we are having a little bit of conflict at the moment i dont want that, but my idea's are funny and brawl is devastator, but pleese lets not fight any futher {{unsigned|58.165.241.232|07:02, 5 August 2007}}
:Your the fool, i agree with you, the eye joke is funny, and i like to call brawl Devastator, but ahhhhh that dosent give you the right to create talk pages calling people "lunch box" and "snack pack" now pleese excuse me while i ask for you to be blocked for a year, that should tech you, "lunch box" --[[User:Galvason|Galvason]] 08:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, good luck with that. I doubt anyone is going to ban Rosicrucian at all, much less for a year, for reverting a blatantly racist joke that you repeatedly put into the article. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 09:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Some confusion here. Galvason was talking to the anonymous editor who put in said racist joke, and was calling for the banning of that very anonymous editor. He was not calling for Rosicrucian to be banned.
:::People, please sign your talk page entries, and please keep discussion on pages where it is relevant. This particular conversation is veering off track from having anything to do with Rosicrucian at all. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 09:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

==Tigatron / Polar Claw==
An anonymous editor recently changed one of your additions to the Tigatron article: [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Tigatron&diff=next&oldid=84302]. I don't really remember the story anymore; your version sounds right to me, but I'm not sure enough of it to make the revert myself. Take a look? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
:Easily done. I've elaborated on the production choices that led to this decision, and the lingering link back to the original character reflected in where Tigatron awakened.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 05:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

== Furman ==

Really? I didn't think it was that mean, and the guy does write freaking '''EVERYTHING''' what do you think I should do to change it? Like, what was too snarky about it? --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 00:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
:I would've said that it's a bit exaggerated, but considering the man wrote a freakin' "How to draw Transformers" book when he's not an artist, I'd say 70.190's edit were pretty much on the money. Maybe de-snarkicize them a little but not outright remove them. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
::Awesome, thank you. Though I really wish that bubble bath joke could have stayed. You're probably right though... (sigh) --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 01:59, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I think I knee-jerked a bit. Feel free to add it back in, I won't touch it. See what others think.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 02:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Nah, it's totally cool. It was kinda snarky, and I am an IP after all. Your version reads a lot more professional, and I think the world will survive without my "Simon Furman wrote the instructions on the back of the TF bubble bath" joke. Thanks again. --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 02:04, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

==[[wikipedia:Pluralis_majestatis|Pluralis majestatis]]==
Fine... We shall keep to the old captions, although we are not amused by them. --[[User:Lrahaman|Lenny]] 19:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

==No More Twinkies for [[user:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]]==
k... sorry. I thought I was allowed to have a bit of fun on Teletraan-1. I guess not? Please ask before taking down my stuff. I'll say yes like 99.9% of the time. --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 16:09, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:Well, I didn't mark it for deletion, and I don't have the power to take it down. That's pretty much ''why'' I asked on the talkpage first rather than slapping a deletion template on it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 16:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
: If you contributed to this wiki ''before'' creating a self-indulgent image-intensive User page which expanded into a separate disambiguation page, we probably wouldn't mind as much. Okay, we'd still mind the separate disambiguation page. That was just ridiculous. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
::Ouch... Thanks for that lovely incentive to continue contributing. I've been coming to Teletraan-1 for a long time, and finally signed up ''yesterday''. I admit that prior to creating my User pages, I had only contributed only ''one'' insignificant picture to [[True_One|an article]] marked as needing one, but I can't fix every stub in one day! I thought I could help improve this thing and have a little fun at the same time. Maybe I was wrong, but I'm gonna keep trying to contribute... despite all your wonderful hospitality. --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 16:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

== Throw a party ==

Hey! Assaulthead the guy that you know is executed for hacking, beating me up and murdering a teacher! Please don't block me if I promise to behave and don't copy my bigger brother that is forever blocked. Hey why you called me spearhead?(Spearhead 04:28, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

==Rartorata==
I noticed an [[:Image:Ratorata_machine.jpg|image]] you uploaded of Rartorata uses a different spelling of his name than the character's article and the dialogue in the scan itself. Was that intentional (why?), or would you mind re-uploading the scan with a corrected filename? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 23:43, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:Sntint, nobody cares about one letter. As long as the filename is descriptive and is unique. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 23:48, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
::It's mainly because like most people ''I can't spell the guy's name worth a damn''. But yeah, I noticed it after uploading and figured that this was the one character I could get away with it on.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 23:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:::<nowiki>*shrug*</nowiki> Okay. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I fixed it. It took me a whole 30 seconds of work. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 14:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

== IDW G1 issues ==

Hi, ''Hearts of Steel'' and IDW's ''Beast Wars'' series, while not part of their main ongoing G1 series, are still part of G1 issues published by IDW, and hense should be included in IDW Generation 1 issues. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
: But the "IDW Generation 1 issues" category is SPECIFICALLY for issues of their main ongoing G1 series. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:19, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
::Eh, yeah I guess it's better than making a "IDW outside of the main continuity Generation 1 issues" category. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 16:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
:::As I said in the edit summary, there ''will'' one day be more Evolutions titles. At such a time we can move them over to there.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
And for that matter the Beast Wars issues are their own animal, to the point of getting a distinct [[Beast Wars timeline (IDW)|timeline]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

== stub fixes ==

Changing to the various types of stubs is a good thing. However, while going through, see if the article REALLY is a stub. Many of these seem to be fairly well-filled out articles. Maybe apply the stub to a particular section if it needs it. Thanks. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:As I mentioned on the stub template talkpage, I'm doing this ''entirely'' as just changing one type of stub for another. Otherwise it would be an even more Sisyphean task than it already is. What I'm hoping is that once the stubs are sorted, determining which tags to remove will be easier.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::Cool, appreciate the work! --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 02:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

==AssaultHeadery==
Hey man. You just chased a guy who got blocked here multiple times from here to the Wikipedia. You proved that you know Starcraft by telling don't copy articles from Starcraft Wiki to Wikipedia. Also why most of you Wikians are also at Wikipedia?([[User:76.195.186.73|76.195.186.73]] 00:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC))
:Learn our guidelines or go away, you ludicrous little man.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
::Hey you followed me to the wikipedia in the first place. Remember Starcraft Shadow of the Xel Naga? You left a trollish remark on TougHHeads talk page.([[User:76.195.186.73|76.195.186.73]] 00:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC))
:::We don't discuss Wikipedia on Wikia talkpages.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:38, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Sure we do. We mostly make fun of it.
::::And while the wikia itself has fairly narrow content focus, talk pages are always meta. We dont' pretend not to know who Spider-man is on his talk page, and we don't pretend not to know our trolls are considered major nuisances by other forums (indicating it's not merely a failure to adapt to our particular brand of wiki culture) when discussing possible courses of action either. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== Spoilers in profiles ==

For fuck's sake, stop putting spoilers in the character profiles! Those go in the Fiction sections, and always with the <nowiki>{{spoiler}}</nowiki> template. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 01:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

== I can has stubs now? ==
I have another problem. Maybe it's because i'm a beginner, but I have no idea how to get one of those "stub" signs up. I've had to resort to using the "Report a problem" thing, resulting in people telling me to do it myself. (Yeah,Rosicrucian, I'm talking to you.) Honestly, give me a break! - [[User:Crosshairs-1|Crosshairs-1]] 18:30, 27 January 2008 (UTC)Crosshairs-1
:Templates are used via curly braces (IE <nowiki>{{yourtemplategoeshere}}</nowiki>). Thus, a generic stub gets marked with <nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki>, a character stub with <nowiki>{{charstub}}</nowiki>, a cartoon episode with <nowiki>{{epstub}}</nowiki>, and a comic issue with <nowiki>{{issuestub}}</nowiki>. Documentation for stub templates can be found at [[template:stub]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:01, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
::You could also find a page marked as a stub, click "edit", and look at the text inside to see how it was marked. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:03, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

== Can we be friends? ==

Tell me if I'm getting annoying, but I'm curious. Where did your name come from? [[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 16:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:See [[Wikipedia:Rosicrucianism|Rosicrucianism]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh. Chat with me on my user page often. I don't know why but I like you. By the way....um, how do I say this without it sounding awkward? I can't. So.... Are you a guy or a girl? I don't see any references to your gender anywhere. [[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 16:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

== megatron's head ==

because it has the final head design... which looks MUCH COOLER!

== re: Factions and history ==

u said: Actually, unless I'm mistaken Jhiaxus and Nova Prime just predate the Decepticons, not the Autobots. The Prime, as well as the government of Cybertron, are all Autobots to my knowledge. That seems to be how IDW is playing it.--[[user:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]]Talk 06:24, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

:Take a look at the Galvatron Spotlight. I don't have it in front of me, but he said something like "before factions" referring to the time when he, Nova and Jhiaxus disappeared on the Ark-1. So none of the Dead Universe folks would be aligned with any faction. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

::u said: I'm mainly judging by the fact that we've termed Nova Prime an Autobot on this wiki, and have had a few edits keeping that the case. Bear in mind that being "before factions" could easily just mean that Galvatron predates the Cybertronian civil war, and thus existed when the Autobots were the dominant (and perhaps only) faction.--RosicrucianTalk 15:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

:::Could be true, yes. However, is there anything stating explicitly that Nova, etc. were Autobots? Autobot symbol or anything? Would that also make Galvatron an Autobot since he was with their crew? I'll have to look over the Spotlights for Galvatron and Prime when I get home for insight. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 16:34, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

== Animated Soundwave caption ==

...thank you.

I can't remember the last time I actually '''LAUGHED ALOUD''' while reading the wiki. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

==Lego Caption==
Thank you for the caption on my user page, sir. {snicker} [[User:JW|JW]] 02:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

== "No more chin jokes." ==

Slag. I like chin jokes. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|MR. Q (I'm a GUY)]] 15:43, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:There's already ''at least'' a dozen chin jokes on Transformers Animated pages. Every day, someone tries to add another three or so. It's getting old.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::So are all the jabs at "Geewunners" and the fanbase that doesn't share an Allspark mindset in general. While there was a minor crackdown on these, the site is still full of them. At least the chin jokes don't target people, and are actually amusing to people who aren't circlejerks.{{unsigned|143.239.7.2}}

== Chevy Autobots and Allspark Highway ==

Where do I type in the code for the Ratchet level in Allspark Highway and Why doesn't the link to the Chevy Autobots game work? [[User:Inferno'sQueen|MR. Q (I'm a GUY)]] 15:47, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:...why are you asking me? Do I look like Hasbro web game technical support?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::Ummmmm.... Yes?... No?... Maybe?... [[User:Inferno'sQueen|MR. Q (I'm a GUY)]] 15:55, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:::How do you get that tiny link to your talk page in your signature? Do you just type it out every time? [[User:Inferno'sQueen|MR. Q (I'm a GUY)]] 16:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Go to '''My Preferences''' and put a check in '''Raw signature'''. Then in the '''Nickname''' box paste the following (modified to suit your username, of course) <nowiki>[[User:Yourusernamegoeshere|Optionaltext]][[User Talk:Yourusernamegoeshere|Talk]]</nowiki>. That ought to do it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:25, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Mr.Q-Guy]][[User Talk:Inferno'sQueen|Talk]]. 16:35, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

== Sorry about that. ==

Didn't know the PNG's were causing problems. My bad --[[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 16:21, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

==Tf:animated,what the hell man?==
And how does a UPC code not match "your" requirements?

==Okay==
Okay my bad,i got a little pissed off by the fact that no other incorrect info here gets corrected,but something which has been tracked for confirmation immediately gets wiped away. --[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 14:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

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Okay,but there is still a bunch of others lacking,for example the Deluxe Bulkhead figure,but i'll keep it in mind and not place the names back untill a new source pops up.

The fact that he's absent from the list. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 14:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay first of all,what do you mean by breaking the fourth wall? and second,the box has leaked into several stores in singapore and america,i'm pretty sure i know what i'm reading on that box.{{unsigned|Rhinox555|00:22, 26 March 2008}}

== what are you tlking about? ==

What are you talking about? I always check my talk page! I only check when it says that i have a new message though. Anyway howd u find me user?

[[User:Destro oy|Destro oy]] 21:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)Destro Oy
:I am talking about how you kept changing captions even after we requested you stop.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== Best of Simon Furman ==

(this was also posted on the BoSF talk page)
Ro, maybe the bad transfers should be mentioned in the items of note? I actually don't have the collection, so I can't comment. Also, is the cover I posted the correct cover? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 16:12, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:I can't speak to the Best of Simon Furman, only the Prime/Megatron one. It was in particular the Armada issues. I think some of the transfers might have been okay, just the Sarracini era ones were ass. I don't own the book though so I can't check.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

==Banning==
How do you ban people's accounts? [[User:71.62.192.242|71.62.192.242]] 20:40, 31 March 2008 (UTC)Crosshairs-1
:Beg pardon?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
::71.62.192.242,only admins can do that,why? [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 20:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Shall we start the countdown now? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:[[Countdown to Extinction|Countdown to what?]] [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 21:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

==Report abuse==
You're an admin right? i woud hereby like to report [[user:Interrobang|Interrobang]] for constantly changing articles to hurtful content at the [[hasbro]] article. I find it offensive that discrimination against the physicly handicapped is accepted here. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 22:23, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:I am not in any way an admin.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
::Oh,i generally assumed so because you often correct mistakes and give warnings to members. Any idea who i can contact? [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 22:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Everyone around here puts in their two cents on issues and policy, and if a repeated edit is problematic will often leave a note on someone's talkpage to knock that crap off. The difference between an ordinary user telling you that and an admin telling you that is that if you laugh off the admin you're probably getting a block. With ordinary users, it's more based off of consensus so if a bunch of different users are reverting you it's often best to take a step back and think about ''why''.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

==Trivia==

The site is full of Trivia such as that, and lot of it is hardly more than speculative. I find it hard to believe Transformers Animated, despite being released soon after Gurren Lagann, wasn't influenced by it's art-style in the slightest. Not to mention that we know for a FACT that it references Macross, and having both a device very similiar to the Lagann(Headmaster) AND Kamina shades in the same show makes it unlikely to be a coincidence. Stop being a circlejerk. There's plenty of Trivia that's at least as bad that doesn't get changed.

I'd like to add that you have some positively ridiculous references like Bulkhead's costume resembling that of a Peanuts' character - and pointing out that it was a coincidence, and most likely not a reference. Why hasn't this been removed? It'd be pretty anal wouldn't it?

And why are almost all of these references WESTERN? The TF Wiki has always been laughably anti-Japanese, I don't suppose you remember the LEO PRIME incident? This is the kind of shit that really needs to stop, not pointing out very notable and probable references.{{unsigned|143.239.7.2}}
:Actually, we had a rather long discussion about Bulkhead's Halloween costume on the talk page. Additionally, this is an English language wiki, so that is what we'll focus on. And to the Japanese bias, forgive us, but there has been some [[Kiss Players|questionable]] material sent out, not to mention the whole UT dubbing and continuity headaches. That being said, your use of language is on the verge of getting you a ban. I'm more tolerant of arguments have worked on a few wikis, but a lot of people here are aren't. Tone down you language, and bring it up on the talk pages of the relevant articles. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:Well then, if you're accusing us of being anti-Japanese and referencing the "Leo Prime" incident as you call it, you've probably been here for quite some time.

:However, you'll notice that it's not just me who thinks your edits don't add anything to the articles in question.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:17, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

::No, I also noted the king of all Circlejerks, M Sipher, reverting them to. Note that I called you a "circlejerk" implying there were others in your circle. Additionally, since you ARE circlejerks, having discussion on

:I also noted that you called me a "Japanophile". Mature. The TF Wiki has a reputation on other sites for being full of Circlejerks, so that was hardly uncalled for. So I'm also going to call you a Reverse Weeaboo(who are twice as annoying as twice as common as Bleach/DBZ/Death Note obsessives).

:I pointed out 3 Gurren Lagann references that are brought up everywhere BUT here - Prowl's Kamina shades, Soundwave's Kamina shades, and the fact that Headmaster is based heavily on the Lagann(they're even a similiar size and colour). I like plenty of other mecha related anime other than Gurren Lagann, but the references stood out referencing anything more than obscure than it will have the anti-Weeaboo clowns on my back even quicker than you were. All of these are valid references, and more notable than a highly speculative Peanuts reference, no matter how much you discussed it.

:Pointing out Gurren Lagann being referenced on a Gurren Lagann wiki wouldn't work the same way, do you even think before you type? Come on.

:The poor quality of some Japanese material is no excuse for this bias. Why are you referencing things like Jurassic Park left and right, but not the mecha anime that inspired and gave shaped to Transformers as we know it? I bet if I go to Galax- oops sorry CYBERTRON PRIME'S page there isn't going to be a single mention of his uncanny resemblance to Gao Gai Gar. Some of you are stupid enough to believe that UT era Transformers sucked because it was an anime, but TF Animated, made IN AMERIKKA(lol at all the asian names being involved with it) is superior because it's western; so I'm not sure where to start.{{unsigned|143.239.7.2}}
::Wait, wait, "there isn't going to be a single mention of his uncanny resemblance to GaoGaiGar"? Only if "uncanny" now means "extremely cursory"... He has upturned wings and headfins. No drill knees. No lion chest (indeed, not even a protruding chest that could be interpreted as similar). No transformation similarities. Nothing else. I must question the value of your judgements based on that alone.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 02:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Not to mention we've got an entire page dedicated to Transformers' kissing cousins franchise [[Brave]] which makes note of the exact GaoGaiGar connection he mentions.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::If you've come out here with guns a-blazing calling everyone who disagrees with you "circlejerks" I hardly think I am being immature or escalating this little war of words by calling you a "Japanophile" when... er... you really like Japanese culture and are blaming us for not featuring more of it. I certainly don't think it's even half as inflammatory as what you've been dishing out on talkpages.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:1) Anti-Japan bias? You clearly have never looked at the [[Energon (cartoon)]] pages. Trust me, we call 'em as we see 'em, regardless of country of origin.
:2) Please stop trying to use the phrase "circle jerk". You clearly have no idea what it means or how it's used in context, and it's kind of embarrassing to watch. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
::: I know what Circlejerk means. The fact is that certain references are allowed up because they're made by well recognised . Why should someone have to earn "respect" to point out obvious references? There's this set idea of what Transformers and the Transformers fandom is on this Wiki that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with how it actually is. You all wank each other off dropping these jokes and references aimed at those who don't view it that way.

:::I hate Encyclopedia Dramatica to bits, because they are in fact massive Circle Jerks(harassing some people while praising each other and their grossly overweight mistress GirlVinyl), but oddly they seemed to describe it well enough -

:::"Circle jerks OTI

:::Online, a circle jerk is a bizarre internets ritual which involves 13 year old boys gathering on BBS, AOL, and chat to banter with fervour about their particular fandom. When witnessing a circle jerk an outsider should not provoke the fanboys with dissident views as it is akin to instigating a shark feeding frenzy. "

:::And if that's true about country of origin - explain the Lio Convoy fiasco, please? There are at least SOME high level editors who instigate an anti-J bias on at least SOME aspects of the Transformers franchise/fandom. Why is it that you acknowledge minor mainstream western references that appear in Transformers, but not the many ones that come from Mecha anime?{{unsigned|143.239.7.2}}
::::The "Lio Convoy fiasco" was because his official English name was Leo Prime at that point in time. We're an English Wiki, and we use English names when possible. If we were as profoundly anti-Japanese as you claim, then why would we be having article titles such as [[Dark Nitro Convoy]] or [[Simon Belmondo]]?

::::I'm sorry if the fact that there's no anti-Japan conspiracy disappoints you. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

::::Seriously. You're repeatedly showing that you don't understand the phrase. Lemme clue ya in a bit: ''jerk'' doesn't refer to a person at all. You're pullin' a "[[:wikipedia:Biff Tannen|make like a tree and get out of here]]" and it's really making you look dumb.
::::And y'know what? When I find myself starting to get embroiled in a stupid, pointless argument like this on the Wiki, you know what I do? I just drop it completely and go do something else entirely. Either I go to some unrelated Wiki topic and contribute something ''useful'', or I move on to another activity entirely. Use your discretion accordingly. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 02:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

:::::Much as I don't want to belabor this issue, I think he actually DOES know what the phrase means (or at least recognizes that the "jerk" involved is a verb, not a noun), considering his accusation that the regulars "wank each other off" with references only understood among themselves. His use of "jerk" as a noun was an attempt to play on words, not an act of total ignorance. For whatever it's worth and all.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 02:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::"Circlejerk", the term he uses, basically refers to situations where a group of people do the same thing and essentially congratulate each other while doing little else. Of course, our dear banned anon doesn't use it correctly, using it to refer to individuals. We'll ignore the fact that not everybody here is part of WiiGii!; makes it harder for such people to develop conspiracy theories about how Walky rules the Wiki with an iron fist and WiiGii! minions. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, I didn't say he'd ''successfully'' made a play on words, only that he wasn't speaking out of total ignorance of the actual meaning of the phrase. He was attempting to use "jerk" as a noun to refer to people who engage in circle-jerking, obviously. That his attitude was based on ill-founded preconceptions of the wiki's population wasn't my point.

:::::::......

:::::::Wait, you mean Walky '''doesn't''' rule the wiki with an iron fist and WiiGii! minions? My faith in him is ''so'' shaken now.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 03:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I am vaguely amused that nearly all of this little culture war played out on my talkpage.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:Wear the badge with pride, soldier.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 03:57, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I find it odd that we continued the discussion well after the guy was banned. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 04:44, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

==RiD Scourge trivia edit==
There's no reason why my edit to RiD Scourge's trivia should be deleted; it is a valid point that fans ''have'' joked about, and it is hypocritical to ''not'' allow it when similar "jokes" have been made on Airazor's and Override's articles. Seriously, RiD Scourge is a "male" Decepticon with human ''female'' DNA in his biosignature; how can anyone ''not'' joke about that in regards to his gender? [[User:64.13.101.210|64.13.101.210]] 23:31, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== Lugnut ==

Whoops--that redundant sentence was actually something I meant to cut. I got so involved in stuff below it that I forgot. Thanks for catching that.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 05:04, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

== Rook G1/G2 ==

Rosicrucian,

I'm not sure why you are having a go at me - neither Rook (G1) or Rook (G2) existed earlier - I created Rook (G1) (rather than G2 as Leige Maximo, Jhixaus etc are listed as being part of the Generation 1 continuity family) and then noticed a link on another page that was pointing to the page create for Rook (G2) and changed this link to Rook (G1).

If you want it to be Rook (G2) that's fine, just cmake sure it's consistent across all pages.

[[User:80.176.139.71|80.176.139.71]] 22:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think this one is my mistake. I was under the impression you were trying to move an existing page to an inappropriate parenthetical (IE G2 Rook to G1) without using the move button (that is, with a cut and paste). I think I assumed this because you changed Jhiaxus' page first.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:12, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

::Ok, I have taken a hint and registered ;) I have changed some of the Rook (G1) links to Rook (G2), if I find any more I'll change them too. I also took your comment "Needless redirect that only exists because an anonymous editor was dicking around" out of Rook (G1)" [[User:ManOfIron|ManOfIron]] 21:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

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Liege Maximo

2008-04-21T21:51:07Z

ManOfIron: /* Generation 2 */

:''Liege Maximo is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 2]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] continuity family.''
[[Image:Liegemaximo.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Here I go again on my throne.]]
Evil is infinite, a natural counterforce to good in the universe that cannot be truly defeated. So when the first [[Prime (disambiguation)|Prime]] was created, so was, necessarily, the ultimate evil. Having no known name, he is known only by his rank. He is the '''Liege Maximo''', and from him [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and the Decepticons were descended.

The Liege Maximo's throne sits at [[Hub|The Hub]], a network of planetoids that exists in the outer fringes of known space.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====''Generation 2''====
With the Liege Centuro [[Jhiaxus|Jhiaxus]] destroyed, Jhiaxus's fleet wiped out by [[Swarm|The Swarm]], and the [[Autobot]]s and Decepticons united in peace under one banner, [[Rook (G2)|Rook]] reported to the Liege Maximo on the day's devastating events. The Liege Maximo, an ancient and monumental titan, accepted the destruction of Jhiaxus' forces as merely a minor disruption. Sneering at the Transformers' alliance as a fragile thing, the Liege Maximo promised a day of reckoning. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!}}

===Convention Stories===
====''Reaching the Omega Point''====
The [[Covenant]] witnessed a vision of the ancient past, in which the Liege Maximo tore the [[Matrix of Leadership]] from the defeated [[Primon]]. When and why this happened remain unanswered questions.
====Alignment====
The Liege Maximo's ultimate goal was to ascend to the realm of the [[Lords of Chaos|Dark Gods]]. Two Transformer groups, one led by Grimlock and one by Ultra Magnus & Megatron, disrupted this process. Wounded by Megatron, the Maximo panicked and entered his portal early, causing it to collapse and kill him.
{{note|This story did not receive Hasbro approval and is of debatable canonicity.}}

==Notes==
*[[Simon Furman]] intended for the Liege Maximo to be one of the [[13 original Transformers]], but like [[Alignment]], the exact canonicity of this is unknown.

*The notion of all [[Decepticons]] having descended from the Liege Maximo and thus being ''inherently'' evil is arguably incompatible with most other iterations of the Transformers mythos which posit the Autobot/Decepticon divide and subsequent conflict as political rather than racial, and being a matter of free will. Furman's [[retcon]] flies in the face of instances where characters have changed allegiance, and its "nature vs. nurture" notion is notably absent from his subsequent explorations of the [[Transformer]]s' (and [[Cybertronian Civil Wars|their wars']]) origins in other continuities such as the [[Dreamwave Productions|DreamwaveVerse]]'s ''[[The War Within]]'' and more recently in the [[IDW timeline|IDWverse]].

*However, it bears some similarity to the origin in the original [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 animated series]] which posited that the Autobots and Decepticons were descended from [[Quintesson]] consumer goods and military hardware respectively, suggesting that the Decepticons' bellicose tendencies are inbuilt.

*Simon Furman has recently cryptically hinted in [http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/script-wrap-15/#comments comments on his blog] that the Liege Maximo may make a return in 2008 in IDW's comics.

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