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User talk:Hooper X

2011-02-21T20:52:58Z

Manmcmanman: /* methods of getting rid of hooper x */

What exactly is upsetting you, again? [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 07:11, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
* The ridiculous arbitrariness of your naming schema, most specifically your need to make a very simple system unnecessarily complex. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper X]] 07:12, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
**You mean like moving stuff from "(UT)" to "(Unicron Trilogy)", of which... you seem to agree with (I don't particularly care for the "(Armada)" or "(Unicron Trilogy)" deal). Or "(cartoon)" to "(television series)" which is hardly complicated, nor does it particularly harm anybody (removes the fuzzy line between "animated series" and "comic"). It also streamlines it with the category and the constant references to "television series". Or, uh, what? [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 07:31, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
***I've actually kind of gone over to the other camp that, as long as there's a unified acronym for each era, the acronyms are considerably easier to use. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper X]] 07:32, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
****That doesn't really help the peope who don't know what the acronyms stand for ([[Dirge (Timelines)|Dirge (T)]]? UT? C'mon.) or the acronym is already taken (Hey, Bowel Machines.). [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 07:47, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
*****That's why we put the Unified Abbreviation System in the [[Help:Style guide|style guide]]. Duh. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper X]] 05:04, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

You are unnecessarily awesome. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

==EW Sky Lynx==
Hoop, can you take a pic of this against a couple sheets of white paper? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:12, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
*When I get one, sure! [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, I thought you had this. You'd said they were out, and were going on about Lynx... gave me the impression you'd picked him up. Alrighty. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
:::No - he's just that awesome. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 21:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

==The caption==
Hi, just saw the new caption for '''[[Prowl (G1)|P.]]''''s new caption for Holomatter avatar, that's really awesome! Ha ha ha. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 15:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

== Ban? ==

Is this guy blockable already? He is destructively foul and evil and also did alot of crimes.

*He attacked an American Airbase and destroyed a C-130
*He attacks users
*He is evil and hates everyone like Bonecrusher
*He attacked Angela
*He is foul
*He messed with Optimus the F22s Userpage
*He humped his mom alot
*He and Detour united to ban various users
*He never got blocked once
*He vandalized other Wikis once

([[User:68.190.228.12|68.190.228.12]] 23:36, 26 December 2007 (UTC))

==Minis==
Oh '''''hell''''' yes. If you can snatch one of each, that'd be awesome. ...The Bootleg Mini-Cons, I mean. I can do without the Nitro cologne. 
:(Now, you too can smell like a wrestling mat!) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==?==
if you hate TF so much, ''why the heck'' are you even here?!?!? [[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 17:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:Shits and giggles? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::Ugh. Kids....[[User:GWolfV2]]

===SO I DON'T FORGET===
potential questions for hasbro in the future:
* <s>(for the entire TF team) The TF brand has presented hundreds, if not thousands of weird and wonderful characters over the last 25 years. Who are, respectively, your most and least favorite characters from TF history? (C'mon, be honest. We'll understand if you secretly hate Grapple.)</s>
* Over the years, the TF brand has featured many fun and memorable play features, from rub signs to triple changers to Action Masters. For the entire TF team: What are your favorite play gimmicks, aside from transformation itself?
* <s>We know that due to changes in toy safety laws, we're never getting a realistic hand-gun Megatron ever again. We've heard that the "spark-shooting" action found on some G1 toys is a similar situation. Can you confirm that the spark-shooting feature is no longer a possibility? Are there any other "classic" gimmicks we're unlikely to see in the future because of legal/safety concerns? </s>
* The unreleased Robot Heroes "Dessaras" figure - why was that name chosen? Did "Deathsaurus" fail to clear legal or were there other concerns (retailers/parents/children not wanting to buy a toy with the word "Death" in its name, "Deathsaurus" being an admittedly goofy moniker, etc.)
* In regards to store exclusives, how much input does the retail partner have into the finished product? Is it "give us X figures at price point Y" or is it more hands-on than that - "give us an Autobot car and a Decepticon jet, and the Autobot should be in such-and-such a color scheme..."
* <s>At one point near the end of the Alternators sub-line, a major retailer's computer system listed several toys that never saw the light of day - Megatron as a Cadillac, as well as repaints of the Scion and Mustang molds. Who were the Scion and Mustang intended to be, if they even got to that stage of development?</s> (No.)
* <s>(for the entire TF team) Fun/silly question: If you could make a Transformer toy of anything in the world that hasn't ALREADY been a Transformers toy, what would it be? You can be as specific (1974 AMC Javelin, P-38 Lightning, Cobra HISS) or as general (school bus, tractor, port-a-potty) as you wish.</s> (You know, whatever.)
* <s>Based on past releases, it seems to be possible to repair older molds to restore detail lost with repeated use. Specifically, the G1 Jazz mold appears to have had its face detail corrected between the 2003 U.S. reissue and the 2004 release of the mold as Ricochet. Are there limits to how much damage can be repaired, or is it just a matter of whether it's economically feasible to repair a mold?</s> (Yes.)
** <s>Recent releases of the Classics Starscream mold seem to be showing some degree of mold wear and tear from use. Are there any plans to repair or re-cut the mold to restore its clarity? </s> (Maybe.)
* Regarding the larger, transformable, Titanium Series figures: Is it possible to manufacture these figures using plastic instead of die-cast, or would using plastic potentially limit the durability, integrity, or stability of the finished product?
* <s>Can you guys please ask around over at Tomy and find out who's writing the story materials for the Alternity line? There are a bunch of great callouts to U.S. fiction going on over there, and we'd like to give credit where credit is due.</s> NEVER MIND.
* During the "Unicron Battles" era of the Armada toy-line, packaged samples of redecoed versions of the Adventure, Space, and Street Speed Mini-Con teams appeared on various auction sites. Why were these items never released commercially?
* <s>It's understood that Hasbro now owns the intellectual property related to the Tonka GoBots - but exactly ''how much'' does Hasbro own? Could we see a DVD release of "Challenge of the GoBots"? Is it possible that the GoBots stories could one day be retroactively integrated into TF continuity, much as M.A.S.K. was retroactively inserted into GIJoe's via the Matt Trakker figure?</s> (Not really.)
* <s>Is there an industry term for the various catalogs, flyers, DVDs, comics and other materials sometimes packaged in with Transformers figures? (All the stuff that isn't the instruction sheet, effectively.)</s> (Not really, apparently!)
* <s> It's great to see obscure characters from the early Transformers media get official identities, like Acid Storm. Are there official identities for the other "[[Rainmakers]]" seen alongside him in the cartoon episode "Divide and Conquer"? (Some fans claim that [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]] is the yellow one, but the blue guy definitely has no name.)</s> (No.)
* <s>At various points, licensees like Marvel Comics and some of the Japanese-market publication have held "Create a Transformer" contests. Does Hasbro/Tomy own the rights to characters generated in such contests, and if so, could we ever see, say, Sunbender or Star Upper again?</s> (Maybe.)
* <s>As far back as the original 1984 toyline, we've seen Transformer characters referred to as "brothers," as well as relationships like "cousins" and even a "great-aunt Arcee." Can you explain how robots can have "brothers," much less "cousins"?</s> (Later.)
* <s>Can you give us any information on the production house that's doing the Transformers: Cyber Missions webisodes? Who are they? Where do they come from? What do they want to do with their lives?</s>
* <s>So Megatron has already been inducted into the Transformers Hall of Fame. Does that mean that Galvatron is already in the Hall of Fame too, or would he have to be voted in by fans?</s> (No.)
* The instruction art for multiple recent toys depict head toolings that are presumably intended for a later release of the mold (i.e., War for Cybertron Bumblebee's instruction art is drawn with the head of the forthcoming Cliffjumper figure). Is there a particular reason for this? A reward or sneak peek for eagle-eyed fans? Is it so you can readily reuse the instruction art later, or what?
* It's really cool how current Generations/Reveal the Shield product is being designed with future retools in mind - the alternate heads and gear go a long way towards creating the image of a completely new character. Is there any chance you can tell us what retool you have in mind for Reveal the Shield Jazz? ''it's worth a shot - that's how we found out about Generations Blurr...''
* The instruction art for multiple recent toys depict head toolings that are presumably intended for a later release of the mold. Notably, Generations Thunderwing's art has a new head and chest that seem to be inspired by the Japanese Generation One character "Black Shadow." Is this actually the case? If so, will he still have the original figure's characterization of a gangster/mafioso type? (Because if so, that is SO AWESOME.)
* There is a quasi-urban rumor floating around the fandom that the 2006 "Classics" Megatron figure cannot be re-released in the United States due to changes in various safety regulations. Can you confirm or deny this?
* PROBABLY SOMETHING TO ASK AT BOTCON OR SOMEWHERE LESS FORMAL: In the past, as various third party fan manufacturers have produced items based on the Transformers IP, Hasbro & Takara have swiftly put out product on the market featuring similar permutations of the IP (i.e. Universe Wheelie, Cyclonus, and Powerglide all hitting shelves shortly after the limited Jizaitoys releases). This seems like a conscious decision on the part of the TF brand - why? Is it seen as a kind of "design-off" or friendly challenge? Is it to offer collectors official versions of those characters as opposed to "bootlegs"? Or is it a simple case of IP protection?
* AGAIN, SOMETHING TO ASK AT BOTCON OR SOMEWHERE: Does Hasbro distinguish between third-party items meant to modify or improve pre-existing official product (i.e., fan-made accessory packs that require the user to already own official product) and completely new third-party products that stand alone?
* ONE MORE LIKE THIS: As you are probably aware, there are groups in Asia who are producing unofficial versions of Transformer product that Hasbro has proven unwilling or incapable of producing (i.e., Generation 1 toys where the original molds are believed to be lost or destroyed). If it were possible to secure those toolings (via legal action, for instance), would you be willing to produce official releases of said items?

*''FOR THE MARVEL TEAM'': <s>The packaging for the Marvel Transformers says Iron Man and Mr. Fantastic built the battlesuits using "alien technology." Were those aliens the Transformers? If so, was it an information exchange, or a gift, or did they cut up a bunch of Decepticon corpses and see what they could make of them? (The thought of them cutting up Autobot corpses is a bit much!)</s>

== "...One from the vaults."? ==

I don't get it? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 21:14, 5 November 2009 (EST)
: It's a bit from Rocky Horror Picture Show, giving it nearly 10 times more Nerd Cred by volume than a prostate joke where "prostate" is misspelled. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 08:12, 6 November 2009 (EST)
::Gotcha. Never saw RHPS, but no need to get snarky about a misspelling, considering I fix them myself on a bunch of pages every day. I think one slipping through is forgivable. I'm not a n00b here. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 10:49, 6 November 2009 (EST)
:::No need to get snarky? Dude, that's practically all I ''do'' here. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:14, 6 November 2009 (EST)
== Try me! ==
I had added a Russian transcription to the article you recommended. Look and tell if it is right, please. If it is right, I can add such note to all such articles. --[[User:He-l-en1959|He-l-en1959]] 12:39, 29 November 2009 (EST)
: ''Ye-s-s-s-s''! "Waz-z-z-z-zpinator" is NOT so z-z-z-ztupid as z-z-zomebody may z-z-z-z-think!--[[User:He-l-en1959|He-l-en1959]] 02:30, 30 November 2009 (EST)

==Candlejack==
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you've been [[Jeff Glen Bennett|beaten to the punch]]. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 12:36, 28 December 2009 (EST)

== Great job! ==
Convincing Derrick J. Wyatt to hate the wiki. Pat yourself on the back. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 15:25, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:Wait, what? Explain. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:22, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
::He added "[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/molestache Molestache]" as a caption to a picture of Derrick with a moustache. Derrick requested it to be taken down because he found it offensive. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:26, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Nice. Smart AND classy. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:27, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
::::I can't believe you guys would give in to possibly a Derrick impersonator's bawwwing and take out something truly funny. Besides, it was Derrick's fault that he grew the molestache in question. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 16:30, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::A: Someone else said that it really was him, and B: That's a really insensitive response. Even if it isn't him, I don't think it's a good idea to imply that Derrick J. Wyatt molests children, even if it's a joke. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:35, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::I was really confused at first because I was reading it as 'mole - stash'. Once I realized that it was supposed to be 'mo-less-tash', I think it was way over the line and should have been taken down no matter who the complainant was. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:38, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::[http://twitter.com/#!/DerrickJWyatt/status/25807570015 Pretty sure it probably was Wyatt]. --[[Special:Contributions/96.240.210.150|96.240.210.150]] 16:44, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Who complained is pretty damn irrelevant, I would've reverted it myself if I had actually seen it before today. That crossed the line, and it wasn't even against [[Pat Lee|someone]] who deserved such viciousness). - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 16:54, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Think we should try and do something to make good with Wyatt? I'd hate to get on a creator's bad side because of one joke done in terrible taste. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 22:15, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::An apology from the Wiki would be a start. I'm happy to give it myself if it will help. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:41, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::I think it would carry more weight coming from an admin rather than just the rank and file. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 00:44, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::Probably, but I think hearing that the rank and file are personally upset as well would be good too. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:30, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::HEY GUYS WHAT DID I MISS ohshi...

::Seriously? Okay, the joke was in dubious taste. That's kind of my thing. Derrick wasn't happy with it, so it was removed. That's how wikis work. Assuming he sees this, as the person who posted said caption, it sucks that he got upset and I'm sorry about that. Consider this an apology. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 05:59, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

== Less captiony, more contenty! ==

{{captionbastard}}
What the subject says. Over half of your edits are just adding or changing captions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:46, 17 February 2011 (EST)
:hahahah oh man really? Is this a Walky Joke? I thought the way this worked was essentially "tenure." Once you put in your licks building content (like say, all those [[Sticker Adventures]] books), you earn your stripes and can screw around a bit more. (Also - wait. [[NASCAR]] is inevitably going to need expanding Real Soon, and I think I'm the only editor who follows it.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:13, 18 February 2011 (EST)

== methods of getting rid of hooper x ==

* Hypnotise him into jumping of a cliff lol
* knock his toilet out of him
* drop him in a pit of bogeys
* suspend him by his toe in a pot of camel wee-wee
* cube him
* flatten him
* MURDER HIM WITH A CANNON!!!!

User talk:Hooper X

2011-02-21T20:50:59Z

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MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

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==Didn't we have a Transformers Appearances/References in Other Media page?==
I could have sworn we did, mentioning stuff like Family guy etc. If we don't have such a page, would it be allowed to be created? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 11:53, 18 December 2010 (EST)
:Unless it's officially sanctioned by Hasbro, no, we do not mention Transformer appearances in other media. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:54, 18 December 2010 (EST)
:: If it ever existed, it would have been destroyed with fire in about 30 seconds. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:46, 18 December 2010 (EST)
::: Of course, if we did have such a page, we could use it as a lighting rod, keep anons from adding something to Soundwave's page every time Seth Green says the word "transformers." -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:28, 18 December 2010 (EST)
::::Of course, NO. Discussion over. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:45, 18 December 2010 (EST)
::::Discussion not quite over. If the unofficial nature of the topic is the reason why it is not allowed, then there are several articles that already exist that are pushing boundaries on the wiki. I would have thought that the biggest problem would be it's size.[[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 09:26, 20 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Yeah, that'd be the other big reason. There's so many such references it would be impossible to keep track of them all. It would also involve making sure what's added there is actually a TF reference. And given all the Toms, Dicks and Harrys that'll come out of the woodwork to add such stuff, that's going to be more trouble than not having a page. Best not to get a larger headache for the sake of reducing a smaller one. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 12:44, 20 December 2010 (EST)

=="Knockoff warning" for toy sections?==
Just something that occurred to me... as I skimmed this page http://www.highendtfs.com/?q=node/17 and looked at alllllll the "could be mistaken for real and paid stupid money for" knockoffs... is there any objection to some form of link to this in the relevant toy sections? Sadly, the page lacks a "jump to" feature of any kind, but alerting people to the potential danger of dropping several hundred on what they think is a genuine Defensor box set... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:50, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:I think it skirts the line with our "we don't really discuss knockoffs" policy, but on the other hand, yeah, it's a useful bit of information, almost to the point where we could stand to have a special page about ''these specific knockoffs''. I am not opposed to adding a link to that site, no, as long as it's got a massive and specific caveat attached to it (maybe even with a special template box thing ("A Prime Problem"-themed perhaps?)). Hell, maybe the highendtfs people would be willing to throw up navigation in exchange for the inevitable deluge of hits - anyone got contact info for the owner? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:11, 19 December 2010 (EST)

::It's worth noting that there are some very well-done Henkei seekers knockoffs now, too. The really expensive ones even, like Thundercracker. Their sections could use warnings as well. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:56, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:::Are they in knockoff PACKAGING that is meant to look like the real thing? That's the really tricky part. G1 MIB shit is much, much more expensive. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:27, 19 December 2010 (EST)
::::Yes, they are: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/buyer-beware-update-on-ko-henkei-seekers/20380/ -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:03, 19 December 2010 (EST)

::I am not sure I want to attach more template boxes to pages as is. Especially over something like knockoffs. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:55, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:::I'd ''thought'' about a template, but... ehn. I think a simple link under the TFU.info (or whatever), perhaps with a bolded "'''Knockoff alert'''" text. Like...

::::*''[http://www.highendtfs.com/?q=node/17 '''Knockoff alert''': More information on packaged imitations of this toy at HighendTFs.com]''

:::Thoughts? This would ONLY cover stuff that is in packaging meant to deceive you by looking as real as they can get it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:05, 19 December 2010 (EST)

::::I could agree with that. This is a step beyond your standard knock off crap, some notice might be appropriate.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:44, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:::::I think it is a good idea to have it, since it is useful. This is different from putting info of some KO or unlicensed products on the page. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:49, 19 December 2010 (EST)

== Extension:Oversight ==

Quite a few times I've seen admins delete and undelete pages to clean out bad revisions. Why they do this I have no idea, since we have [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Oversight the Oversight extension] installed.

Perhaps we should look into granting some people "oversighter" access? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:09, 25 December 2010 (EST)
:I've just noticed that deleting and then restoring pages in the manner mentioned above has the side effect of resetting a page's page views stats, so that's another point in favour of the Oversight extension. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:40, 11 January 2011 (EST)

== Wikipedia, revisited ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#The_.22Campaign_of_Deletion.22_against_the_Transformers_Wiki_Project_by_NotARealWord_and_TFWiki.net]

Just in case anyone's interested. --[[Special:Contributions/84.193.193.10|84.193.193.10]] 10:54, 5 January 2011 (EST) (-Blackout-, can't be bothered to log back in)
:NEWSFLASH: Nobody cares. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:21, 5 January 2011 (EST)

== Captcha to prevent spambots? ==

Is there any way we could implement captcha to account creation to prevent the spambot problem we're having now? I've seen other wikis use that measure. Maybe also disable new page creation by anons? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:56, 6 January 2011 (EST)
:We already have CAPTCHA implemented on the account creation service. --[[Special:Contributions/84.193.193.10|84.193.193.10]] 13:09, 6 January 2011 (EST) (-Blackout-, can't be bothered to log in)
::Never mind, then! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:30, 6 January 2011 (EST)

== Real world events by day Category ==

These of course comprise every date of the year. However, I notice recently people have been adding fictional events to these dates. That basically invalidates the Category, since it's no longer comprised of only real-world events. The fictional events should be moved out into another section, or the category name should be changed to "Events by day". Thoughts? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 22:01, 9 January 2011 (EST)
:I agree with changing to "Events by day". I would also support having separate fictional and real world sections on the pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:38, 9 January 2011 (EST)

== Project Wonderful ads ==

Um, guys, I found there [http://www.projectwonderful.com/img/uploads/pics/53018-1293943633.gif Non-official products] in the ads of CapturedPrey. I know the small ads are showing up randomly (and may not be controllable since we can't regulate them), but I think it is still need to be reported here. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 01:04, 16 January 2011 (EST)
: I don't mind them in the non-permanent ads. TFSource used them all the time in their ads before we made them permanent sponsors. It was only when we made them a permanent sponsor did we ask to make them free of third-party product. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:57, 16 January 2011 (EST)

== Games <strike>fiction</strike> ==

Okay, now that [[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] has flooded the character pages with stubs for 30 years worth of crappy Transformers games, can we reconsider how the Games sections are treated? I really don't think in-universe fiction descriptions are the way to handle it. [[War for Cybertron]] may've had a plot, but the majority of TF games are more in the vein of "hit things until they stop coming". A fiction section makes even less sense for games where the character selection is variable. ''"[[Hardhead (G1)#Transformers:_The_Headmasters|Hardhead]] may (or may not) have been present at this battle. Or this one. Or this..."'' Ditto for generic drone soldiers. Isn't there a way to address the games without trying to craft a sensical fiction for them? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 08:46, 25 January 2011 (EST)
:I agree. The games should appear as merchandise on all relevant characters pages, but there is no need for a fiction write up for most games on those same pages. A generic write up on the game page should suffice. Something like "An Autobot warrior participated in a battle...", with a character box listing all potential "Autobot warriors" (aka playable characters). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:21, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::Moving games to merchandise sounds awful. It would result in amazing amounts of lost information. I have no idea what doing that would solve. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:44, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::I think it depends on the game - for example in the ROTF console game, while you CAN play as multiple characters, the game provides a suggested one for you. IMO, that's who "actually" did the stuff depicted in the game (and the opposing side's campaign generally suggests it as well). When you can just pick from a half-dozen dudes and it doesn't matter, then maybe a brief summary of the game's plot and a note. "Jerkwagon was one of many Autobots involved in blah blah plot synopsis bluh. NOTE: Such-and-such game allowed players to choose multiple protagonists, including Jerkwagon." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:19, 25 January 2011 (EST)
I agree that Games should be their own section -- there's certainly enough of them, and they should be treated differently than keychains and what-not. But I think an out-of-universe description of the games would be better in most cases. Instead of having to write vague text like ''"As Ultra Magnus searched for the truth behind Optimus Prime's death, he battled Trypticon in a game of death and suffering."'', which is about all the plot I could wrangle out of [[Transformers: Mystery of Convoy|Convoy no Nazo]] and tells you virtually nothing, we could write something more informative, like ''"Trypticon is the boss of Stage 10."'', and describe what actually happens in the game instead of trying to make it sound like believable fiction. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 11:29, 25 January 2011 (EST)
:::My personal view on the matter is, from a character's page, I should be able to find EVERY place that character has appeared. And when we do list guys having an appearance when they're most likely an animation error in the far-background of an episode, I don't think there's any excuse to NOT list an appearance of a character wherever he might appear, including board and video games. Is that a lot of work? Yeah. But beneath all the jokes that make this place so great, this is still an encyclopedia, and purposely leaving out information out of an encyclopedia is wrong. Though I think Hooper X has the right idea... I doesn't have to be the most super-extensive write up. Heck, I was even going to suggest just having a link saying "See Return of Convoy article" or something like that. Also: I apologize if I had started getting very sloppy last night, but looking back, it was like 5 in the morning by the time I finished up. Yikes. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:10, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::::I totally agree that the games should be dealt with on the character pages. I'm just looking for an option other than a completely in-fiction description. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 15:14, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::::: The first idea that comes to mind is having a subsection called "Gameplay" or something like that for each game write-up, something that would be similar to a note? Though really, my main solution for stuff like that has been, up to this point, to just stick a couple of notes in the game write-up, like on [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'s page. I'll keep on trying to think up other solutions though... --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 15:26, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::::Storylinks already serve as that, so what's the point of another link? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:47, 25 January 2011 (EST)

== Fiction order guide? ==

I've been over the Style guides a few times trying to find if a page like this already exists, but it doesn't look like it. I'll be the first to admit that when adding in new fiction/game subsections to a character's article, I sometimes confuse and probably put them out of order. So I've been wondering if a page that lists every fictional work and game in the proper order of each other would be a good idea? On one hand, it seems like an ABSURD amount of work for a style guide, one that would have to be CONSTANTLY updated as new things come out. On the other hand, it would be very handy to have a list to reference for character pages. Especially because it can get VERY frustrating trying to hunt down which book/cartoon/whatever came first in the same year. For those who don't understand what I'm talking about, here's an example I quickly put together, using the [[Cheetor (BW)]] and [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] pages as reference.

When listing a character's media appearances, use this sorting order:
*Fiction
**Generation 1 Marvel Comics continuity
**Generation 1 S.T.A.R.S. pack-in flyers
**Generation 1 cartoon continuity
**Generation 1 Kid Stuff Talking Story Books
**Generation 1 Big Looker Story Books
**Generation 1 Ladybird Books continuity
**''Transformers in 3-D''
**''Transformers PD Type'' comic
**''Comic Bom Bom G-2'' comic
**Beast Wars First wave toy bios
**Beast Wars Cartoon continuity
***Dawn of Future's Past
***''Beast Wars'' cartoon
***Fast Action Battlers toyline
***3H ''Tales from the Beast Wars'' comics
***IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics
***''Transformers Legends'' anthology
***''Beast Machines'' cartoon
***''Beast Machines'' toy bio
***''Universe'' comic
***''Beast Wars Metals'' comic
***Beast Wars ''Henkei! Henkei!'' pack-in comic
**Generation 1 Dreamwave comics continuity
**''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''
**''Transformers/G.I. Joe''
**Generation 1 IDW comics continuity
**''Hearts of Steel''
**''Music Label''
**''Henkei! Henkei!'' (pack-in comic)
**''Henkei! Henkei!'' Bun Bun manga
**Alternity
**''Robot Heroes'' comic
**''Universe'' cartoon
**Wings of Honor

Is this a good idea? Would anyone actually like to see this kind of thing, or would I just be putting a whole bunch of work into something we don't need? --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:28, 25 January 2011 (EST)
:We do need standardization of section names. The section order, however, depends on order in which the character appeared in those continuities in the real world. Then the subsections are ordered by the fictional chronology. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:35, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::No wonder I get confused by this fiction order thing. @_@ I guess I might just be one of those people that will never get the hang of some of these things. And yeah, the section names was definitely something else I wanted to tackle, since I've seen at times no less than four different ways to refer to a certain media. I sometimes have to check the storylinks at the end to be sure it's all part of the same story! --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:45, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::Note that, within a continuity, flashbacks and time travel can mean that experiential fictional chronology for one character requires a different order of headings than for another. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:16, 25 January 2011 (EST)
:::In regards to standardization, I have an idea. What if we create a list of headers (kept on this page perhaps) used on Optimus Prime (G1)'s page (probably has the greatest number of different headers), use that as our initial standards list, then update it as we find other headers or decide to change the existing standards? Once we think we've covered the majority of possibilities, we could move it to a help page and make it official policy. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:49, 6 February 2011 (EST)
::::I put together [[User:Jackpot/Sandbox/Sections|a sandbox along these lines]] a couple of years ago. It hasn't been updated in quite a while, and I'm not sure it was ever actually complete, and it was the subject of [[User_talk:Jackpot/Sandbox/Sections|a bit of debate]]... but there it is, for what it's worth. (Also, I support standardization of headers, but I've run into [[Talk:Ricochet_(Headmasters)#Header|some]] [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive22#Section_naming_conventions|opposition]] over the nitty-gritty before, so best of luck.) - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 06:11, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== Foreign name reorganization ==

Is there any chance we could consider moving the foreign names somewhere else in the article other than at the top? We've already established a new standard for episodes, but characters could stand to have their names moved to their own dedicated section, likely under "Notes". There, we could add things like kana and Cyrillic forms of names not different from the English version. Opinions? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:56, 4 February 2011 (EST)
:I'm in favor of it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:33, 4 February 2011 (EST)

::All things considered, since this is (mostly) an english-centric wiki when it comes to stuff, the foreign names do come off as being interesting trivia more than anything else. I'm in favour of this too. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:37, 4 February 2011 (EST)

:I'm fine with where they are now, personally. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:39, 4 February 2011 (EST)

:I can see the logic in them being moved down to notes. You've got an in-universe profile, then a bunch of out-of-universe names, then the in-universe fiction section. The only argument I have against it is that I'm used to seeing the foreign names at the top. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:05, 4 February 2011 (EST)

::If it can be moved downward (to the first entry of the notes section or a new section after the notes section) instead of being on the top, MOVE it. Originally, I'm fine withe where they are {{m-}} but that would be a character with fewer foreign names. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 19:55, 4 February 2011 (EST)
Any further opinions on this? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:36, 21 February 2011 (EST)
:What about cases where some of the extra names at the top are English, e.g. Omni Productions names, or preliminary or nicknames? Would they remain at the top or become notes too? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:29, 21 February 2011 (EST)
::The Malay dub still technically counts as foreign in my mind. Nicknames should be integrated in the introduction (or notes section), and preliminary names should have been in notes in the first place, since they aren't the characters' "real names" in any sense. Further elaboration of the preliminary names better suits the notes section, anyway. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:43, 21 February 2011 (EST)

== Commercial Appearances section ==

Alright, so I plan later on to start going through characters' pages and add in a "Commercial Appearances" section where it applies (sorry, I can't this weekend... homework to do!). Several characters already have this section and a lot of these commercials have nice short animations or other interesting characterizations and tidbits that I think they bear to be included in the characters' pages. Although, much like the Games sections, I'll only be able to marginally help by adding in the section itself to let people know that there's work to be done on a character's page... MY computer is so incredibly shitty that I can't even play videos off youtube. D:

But anyways, the reason I'm bringing this up here is because before I get started, I'd like to discuss what kind of format we want for this section, so it can be done right the first time around. Obviously, where it applies, stuff like indicating who the voice actor for the character makes sense, but should the write-up be in-universe or not? Since commercials fluctuate between using a short animation telling a mini-story and just being a straight-up commercial saying "buy this toy!" should a combination of both in-universe and out-of-universe description be used? And should we count the parts where the kids brandish their action figures and talk for the character as dialog spoken by the character? That's all the questions on the subject I can really think of for now... --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 15:12, 6 February 2011 (EST)
:I would write up the animation segments in-universe so long as they're unique to the commercial (i.e. not just recycled footage from one of the cartoons). Anything else that's notable enough could qualify for an out of universe note. But I wouldn't bother with recycled animation or the kids talking for the figures. That doesn't qualify as fiction to me.
:In regards to your inability to view the commercials, would it help if you could download them in some fashion and then watch them offline? Maybe burn the videos to a DVD disc? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:43, 6 February 2011 (EST)
::Yeah, any clips taken from pre-existing mediums would be redundant from those scenes being already covered in other sections on that character's page. Personally though, I'm still on the fence about the kids talking for the figures... I find it comparable to botcon script readings in a way... People just talking out loud for a character without any accompanying animation... I'm prone to be swayed either way. As for me viewing the commercials themselves, my spring break is a week from now. I might have access to a better computer then, but otherwise I'll just be putting in information already available on the wiki to the appropriate pages throughout the week, I guess. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 17:53, 6 February 2011 (EST)

==How to resolve monster debates?==
[[User:-Blackout-]]'s recent meltdown over being prevented from editing [[Goldbug (IDW)]] has made me think again about how policy/content discussions tend to go on this wiki. It's a big part of why I haven't been around since last summer: I found myself perpetuating these miles-long debates that few cared to read, everyone was irritated by, and most importantly ''were impossible to resolve.''

That Goldbug article is a sterling example. Right now, people are talking about it as if the [[Talk:Goldbug (IDW)/Archive1|giant]] [[Talk:Goldbug (IDW)/Archive2|debate]] had resolved in favor of the current setup, so changing the article at this point is taboo because it "was dealt with already." But that's not how it went at all. Blackout's dickishly unilateral edit-war was definitely the Wrong Way to reopen this, but it's also wrong to pretend that we had achieved consensus or closure on the issue.

At [[Talk:Goldbug (IDW)/Archive2#Breaking down the problem|the end of the debate]], I had restated the case for [[User:Jackpot/Sandbox/Goldbug (G1)|my "Goldbug (G1)" sandbox]], which is definitely different from the current setup, and 6 other people declared support for it while 2 objected at length. But the objectors were also against the current setup: Jeysie wanted the toy gone, and Derik wanted... something inscrutable and Deriky. Combining those numbers with the [[Talk:Goldbug (IDW)/Archive1#Vote Tally|premature vote]] that had been taken earlier (and adjusting for the voters who changed their minds by the end), I count:

Sandbox: 8 
Sandbox with modifications: 3 
Current page: 7 
Current page without the toy: 2

That's not consensus. That's deadlock. In fact, there were fewer votes to keep the page as-is than there were to change it in some fashion. The current setup didn't win out in terms of votes, logic, precedent, or any other measure: It won out because it was what happened to be there when the debate died of exhaustion.

So we're stuck with an awkward page that most people want to be different, encased in concrete forevermore. I don't see any way out of this situation, and I've watched the same principle play out with other debates too many times. At the very least, I wonder if it would be helpful to have a Template:Deadlock that we could slap on inconclusive debates (with a picture of [[Drift (G1)|Deadlock]], natch) so people know the true state of things.

Taking that idea further, maybe it could come with a period of enforced moratorium – say, two weeks – followed by a revote and/or a formalized "final statements" opportunity? The most extreme option I can think of is to create a "council of elders" that has the community-bestowed power to resolve intractable debates and declare relevant policy principles. Basically, a Supreme Court. I do worry that creating an authoritative heirarchy might produce even more problems, but I figured I'd throw it out there.

Thoughts? Other ideas?

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:20, 9 February 2011 (EST)
: This whole argument goes to the heart of what we mean when we say two characters are "the same". The Bumblebee toy was produced and fiction was made to promote that toy, thus all of those fictions (which differ from each other) are about "the same" character. The Goldbug toy was produced with a tech spec that stated that it was "the same" character as Bumblebee. Fiction was produced to promote that toy, thus all those varying depictions of Goldbug are "the same" character as Bumblebee. The same argument applies to the differing backstories of Optimus Prime; Orion Pax and Optronix are "the same" character because they both are earlier forms of the character that was used to promote the sale of the Optimus Prime toy. The problem comes in with later stories that are not produced to promote those original toys. How do we decide what is the same? When is a character "the same character under different circumstances/in a different universe" and when is it simply an homage character? I really can't see how others see the IDW Goldbug as "the same" character as the original toy and not (as I see him) as a simple homage character. Under their viewpoint the toy belongs, under mine it doesn't. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:15, 10 February 2011 (EST)

: I NOMINATE MYSELF AS FINAL ARBITER AND SUPREME OVERLORD. all decisions will be made based on what amuses me the most. (seriously, we probably ought to have some kind of "no consensus" tag for articles like that.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:58, 10 February 2011 (EST)

Mmm...probably best not to restart the Goldbug debate itself here, Khajidha -- that would quickly distract from what Jackpot's actually asking here, which is how debates should be resolved ''in general''.

Some of the basic rules we already follow should remain. No "edit-warring"...leave it up to the Talk Pages to hash out the problem. I don't think a mere two weeks is enough to give people time to change their minds, though, especially in this crowd. One thing I notice is that despite dozens of regular contributors and hundreds overall, most Talk Page or Community Portal votes I've seen have less than 20 votes at the end. Many of these debates fly right under the radar. I'm relatively active here, but the Goldbug (IDW) chaos completely passed me by.

What about, when a Talk Page debate has clearly reached an impasse between <strike>obstinant</strike> strong-willed parties, a Vote is taken on the ''Main Page''? Some sort of easy-to-see box temporarily added to the Main Page, "above the fold" so that its visible to all visitors when they enter? It would be more noticeable than if the vote is hidden away on a single Talk Page people may or may not see. Something like ''"A [[Deadlock]] has arisen! Choose from the following choices: Should [[Goldbug (IDW)]] have the G1 toy on his page? Yes or No? (See the Goldbug (IDW) Talk Page for the full debate.)"''

I realize many debates won't be as simple as Yes or No, but if the debating parties agree in advance how to phrase the Voting Box, it could be a useful tool. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 13:07, 10 February 2011 (EST)

:Yeah, wasn't really trying to restart that debate. Was bringing up questions about general character debates, as they seem to occur quite often. But other debates also bog down, so I recognize that my questions don't apply to those debates.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:35, 10 February 2011 (EST)

:I like the idea of keeping a debate in the regulars' faces until a decision has been reached by enough people (at least 20? 25?). Many debates I keep away from because I think they'll disappear anyway and my vote doesn't really matter <s>and I also can't deal all that well with the aggressive nature of most debates, making it actively a lose-only situation if I'd enter</s>. I'm not sure if others feel that way, but I imagine this would be a boost for all to participate. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:23, 10 February 2011 (EST)
::I absolutely disagree with the premise that people who don't care enough to read the argument should have it shoved in their face until they vote. AT MOST, we should mention it somewhere prominent, like the community portal. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:53, 10 February 2011 (EST)
:::I agree that essentially putting a ballot on the front page is asking for trouble. You might get the dozens of votes you're looking for, but they'll all be uninformed gut reactions. One of the reasons these debates happen is that issues can be much more complicated and subtle than they seem at first glance. Plus one would hope that the reasoning behind the winning option would help develop our policies, but if the decisions are made by the majority of an explicitly uninformed mob, it's hard to glean any substantial precedent out of that.
:::But I think an approach like that ''could'' be combined with my "final statements" suggestion. Thinking out loud here: After a cooling-off period has been declared and a set amount of time has passed, anyone who wants to present a case can write up a defense of his or her preferred option. Those are all submitted to a neutral volunteer, who then posts them simultaneously on the relevant Talk page, and those become the voting choices. No replies are allowed, only votes. We put a notice up at least on the Community Portal, possibly on the Main Page, for another set time period, then close voting and go with the majority.
:::How does that sound? Like I said, thinking out loud, so suggestions are more than welcome.
:::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:18, 10 February 2011 (EST)
::::Sounds pretty good to me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:19, 11 February 2011 (EST)

==How featured articles are chosen==
On a side note, would a box like that also be useful to start a voting system for featured pages? Because I'm fine with Drift and Wreck-Gar and all others before, but I am absolutely clueless as to who chose them to become featured for what reasons. I'd like to see a better system for that. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:23, 10 February 2011 (EST)
: If there was a recently-completed article that's of respectable length, I choose it. The pool for featured articles is pretty damn small. Not many articles are finished, and the ones that are finished have usually already been Featured Articles already. Finished articles don't happen very frequently, so sometimes we find one that's close to completion near the end of a month and then push to finish it before the month is over. Sometimes we think a subject or a character is timely (like around BotCon, or before an episode or movie premiere) and push for that. If you want a heads up, Chris McFeely's [[Matrix of Leadership]] article is so totally March's. (I think Chris has the record for number of articles he's completed which have become featured.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:31, 10 February 2011 (EST)
: Long story short, if you want an article to be featured, finish it. That means photos for every toy and known merchandise, and storylinks (with summaries) to every piece of fiction they've appeared in. Behind the scenes information helps. The longer and more involved the article, the more appealing it is. Meaning, finishing an article for a Mini-Con who showed up in the background somewhere, or finishing an article for someone who doesn't have any illutrated appearances... these are probably not going to be featured. But people like Perceptor (G1) or Side Burn (RID) or High Wire (Armada) have enough about them to say to make an interesting featured article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:36, 10 February 2011 (EST)
: "Long story short," my ass. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:37, 10 February 2011 (EST)
:: Have we done any episodes as Featured yet? I know the over-arching "Target 2006" article was chosen once. You'd think we could get, say [[Code of Hero]] up to that standard pretty quickly. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 07:42, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:::I really think we need to get [[BotCon]] up to that standard. We're pretty close! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:22, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:::[[B.O.T. (episode)|B.O.T.]] is a Featured article about an episode. [[User:Excise|Excise]] 00:00, 16 February 2011 (EST)

== Letterers ==
On images of comic pages, do we credit the ''letterers'' by placing the image in an "Image by Letterer Name" category? We've got a few contradictory examples around. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:32, 12 February 2011 (EST)
:Okay, three options: For images currently in categories like "Images by Mike Scott" (where Mike Scott is a letterer), we can:
:# Create the category and treat letterers just like artists, inkers, and colorists.
:# Instead place them in a "Images ''lettered'' by Mike Scott" category.
:# Remove the category, and not attempt to categorize images by letterer.
:I'm probably going to go with option 3 barring dissent. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:25, 16 February 2011 (EST)
::I added galleries to a few of the pages for letterers (eg [[Bill Oakley]], [[Peri Godbold]]) on the basis that lettering can make or [[:Image:Cryotekmrrghmraghmrugghagh.jpg|break]] a comic. As well as adding the text, the letterer has to pick where the balloons will go and place, them, so they do have a large degree of control over how the comic turns out. That said, I don't know that we need to categorise images by letterer. The original intention was [[:Category talk:Images by artist|not to]], but it looks like we ended up doing it anyway, and at least one template is set up to put images into category by letterer. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:44, 16 February 2011 (EST)

:I'd vote for option 3 as well.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 22:02, 16 February 2011 (EST)
::I'm leaning towards option 3 myself. My reasoning is that even though letterers can have a large effect on a comic, I don't see too many people wanting to find every image lettered by a given letterer. The galleries, on the other hand, are useful for demonstrating the quality of an individual's work. So those should be used. While the obsessive in me thinks we should categorize images by every applicable characteristic, it's not realistic. I don't think it benefits us enough to go through all that work for categories that only a few people might find useful. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 01:09, 17 February 2011 (EST)
'Kay, I'm going to go with option 3. This may involve editing a template or two. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:35, 17 February 2011 (EST)

== Categories by toy size class? ==
Do we ''want'' the following categories?
 Leader class toy images
 Deluxe class toy images
 Voyager class toy images
 Scout class toy images
 They currently have a very few things in them (and could obviously have many more), but the cat' pages themselves have not been created. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:43, 12 February 2011 (EST)

:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:13, 12 February 2011 (EST)

::No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:06, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:::As long as it's only the images and not the articles, I couldn't care less. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:09, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:There's also a "Legends class toy images" category which has 90 images in it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:21, 15 February 2011 (EST)

::Legends are kind of an exception because they're a different scale/play pattern, as evidenced by the upcoming Cyberverse stuff. Scouts-on-up are ''generally'' meant to intermingle, Legends aren't. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:41, 16 February 2011 (EST)

:I could go either way on this one. It's a lot of work to fill these categories out, but the ability to find all the Deluxe figures easily intrigues me. If we did institute this I would also think that this would be the proper place to put the "exclusive figure" categories and such. Basically, any category that pertains to a particular toy and not to the character could be tagged to the image of that toy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:08, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:I've been doing them because I saw other people do them. I don't mind either way. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:51, 16 February 2011 (EST)
So, counting me as "no", that's three "no"s, an "I don't care", an "I don't mind either way", and an "either way/intrigues me". I think we're leaning toward "no". Final comments? [[User:JW|JW]] 07:08, 16 February 2011 (EST)

::I guess it's "no" or at least "not the time"? (Though I'm "I'm not sure".) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 11:21, 16 February 2011 (EST)
:::I've gone with "no", and added a note to that effect to [[Transformers_Wiki:Images]]. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:27, 16 February 2011 (EST)

== Undo Redone? ==

I just undid an edit, but instead of getting the automatic "Reverting edit ##### by User1 to last version by User2" summary, that box was blank. In addition, above the edit window were the captions "Current revision" and "Your text", side by side, as if there's meant to be one editable text window under each. Instead, there was only one such text window beneath them, stretching across under both captions. The page is protected so only registered users can edit it, so that MIGHT have something to do with the problem, though I doubt it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:28, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:It doesn't automatically create an edit summary if you're doing an undo on multiple revisions, so that might be it. Not sure about the other part - it's always shown me a diff at the top of the screen when I've done an undo. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:54, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::Okay, blank edit summary's explained, because it was indeed a group of 3-4 edits being undone all at once. Still inexplicable is the fact that I just checked the page history; it didn't even accept my Undo! LoneGamer78 ended up doing it instead. I've noticed some sluggish response from the site over the past fifteen minutes or so, perhaps whatever caused that was a factor? It may never be known...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:02, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:::Is it possible she just beat you to it by a few moments and thus there was an edit conflict? I've had that happen sometimes, and so there's no diff shown because now the page already matches what you were going to change it to. (Uh, does that make sense?) --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 22:17, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::::Can't rule it out entirely, but edit conflicts usually announce themselves as such, and they DO have two distinct editable text windows: one showing the text as it stands after someone edited while you were typing, the other as it would have been if you'd edited without interference.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 22:24, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:::::A few times I've "undone" an edit, but someone else beat me to it. It doesn't seem to show an edit conflict if that happens, probably because the change is identical to the previous one. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:06, 19 February 2011 (EST)

== Banner ad question. ==
The small side box ad (the one that's still a free-floater) currently has an ad for some webcomic. Which is fine, but one of the panels has GIANT ERECT LADY NIPPLES ALL OVER THE PLACE. I'm not offended by it, but it's, uh, something. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:39, 21 February 2011 (EST)

== help ==

I cant find the latest talk please help([[User:Manmcmanman|Manmcmanman]] 15:44, 21 February 2011 (EST))

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:''The Breastforce are a [[Decepticon]] [[subgroup]] from the [[Victory (franchise)|Victory]] portion of the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Breastforce cartoon.jpg|right|300px|thumb|A team of boobs.]]
The '''Breastforce''' (tee hee!) are [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]]'s elite troopers, comprising some of the most vile Decepticons imaginable, from murderous back-stabbers to incarcerated convicts. Deathsaurus himself is also a member of the sub-group, but the name is most often used to refer to the elite six-robot team that serves under him. The group derives their... ''unusual'' name from the [[Breast Animal]]s they are partnered with, which transform from their titular (snicker) breastplate armor into an autonomous robotic animal or hand-held blaster. Don't let the name fool you, the Breastforce are nothing to laugh at.

(giggle)

The core six members of the Breastforce are:

*[[Leozack]], Deathsaurus' second-in-command and Grumman F-14D "Tomcat" fighter jet, partnered with [[Lionbreast]].
*[[Drillhorn]], the tunnelling machine, partnered with [[Rhinobreast]].
*[[Gaihawk]], the MAPO MiG-29 "Fulcrum" fighter jet, partnered with [[Hawkbreast]].
*[[Hellbat]], the Dassault Rafale fighter jet, partnered with [[Kōmoribreast]].
*[[Jarugar]], the Baja buggy, partnered with [[Jaguarbreast]].
*[[Killbison]], the Gepard anti-aircraft tank, partnered with [[Bisonbreast]].

Others members include:

*[[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]], Decepticon [[Emperor of Destruction]] and dragon/bird-monster, partnered with [[Tigerbreast]] and [[Eaglebreast]]
*[[Deathcobra (Victory)|Deathcobra]], the Mi-24 Hind assault helicopter, partnered with an unnamed Breast Animal.

Leozack, Drillhorn, Gaihawk, Hellbat, Jarugar and Killbison can combine to form the super-warrior [[Liokaiser]]. Deathcobra was also capable of combining with the team, but died before he got the chance.

==Fiction==
===''Victory'' cartoon===
[[Image:Breastforce combo stockfootage.jpg|left|265px|thumb|Invading a ''Tron'' machine near you!]]
Leozack was the first of the Breastforce to join Deathsaurus for his campaign against [[Earth]], {{storylink|Sneak Attack! Dinoking}} but he quickly developed designs on Decepticon leadership himself. {{storylink|Move Out! Rescue Team}} He was soon joined by his teammates Drillhorn, Jarugar and Killbison, {{storylink|Unite!! Multiforce}} and the team performed such missions as the raiding of the Neo Uranium Mines {{storylink|Infiltration... The Uranium Mine}} and the theft of energy from an American subway system. During the latter mission, the team's Breast Animals came to the fore, as they were unleashed upon the [[Autobot|Autobots]] in the cramped quarters of the underground tunnels. {{storylink|Big City - Underground Terror}}

Leozack later summoned the fifth Breastforcer, Hellbat, to Earth, but upon witnessing his leader getting dressed down by Deathsaurus, Hellbat decided he himself would make a better leader for the Breastforce. {{storylink|The New Warrior - Hellbat}} Ever the schemer, Hellbat's honeyed words roped the rest of the Breastforce into several plots, like the theft of energy from a shuttle port {{storylink|Attack the Shuttle Base!!}} or the ransom of [[Marine City]]. {{storylink|Tanker Hijack Operation}} Since the silver-tongued sneak was usually able to pass the blame for any failures on to Leozack, none of the other Breastforce members really trusted Hellbat, and Leozack began making plans to get rid of him. After rescuing their sixth teammate, Gaihawk, from the [[Planet Micro Satellite Penitentiary]], {{storylink|Rescue! Gaihawk}} Leozack summoned his old friend Deathcobra so that he could boot Hellbat out and the remaining six could combine into the giant robot, Liokaiser. Attempting to secure his position on the team, Hellbat petitioned Deathcobra to leave, but when a fight broke out between the two, Hellbat accidentally killed Deathcobra and blamed the murder on the Autobot [[Micromaster]] [[Holi]]. Seeking revenge, the Breastforce merged into Liokaiser and defeated [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]] in their first battle. {{storylink|Unite! Liokaiser}}

[[Image:Liokaiser death.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Oh, not ''another'' black recolor...]]
Back on Earth, the Breastforce battled Star Saber and [[Road Caesar]] at the [[Schaeffer Energy]] plant, {{storylink|Battle Up of Wrath!!}} and then went up against [[Landcross (Victory)|Landcross]] in the South Pole. {{storylink|Fight to the Death!! Antarctic Battle}} They later lured the [[Brainmaster]]s into an ambush in the desert {{storylink|Crisis! Ambush in the Desert}} and helped Deathsaurus battle Star Saber, {{storylink|A Deadly Battle}} then proceeded to perform numerous energy raids across the world, {{storylink|Ginrai Dies!!}} only to be repeatedly stymied by new Autobot [[Victory Leo]] {{storylink|Fight!! Victory Leo}} {{storylink|Awaken! Victory Leo}} and his ability to combine with Star Saber. {{storylink|The Tide is Turned! The Ultimate Weapon, the Victory Unification}}

After plots that involved Leozack disguising himself as Star Saber {{storylink|A Mystery?! The Deception of the Base Bombs}} and unleashing metal-eating insects on the Autobots, {{storylink|The Death-Bringing Space Insects!!}} the Breastforce accompanied Deathsaurus into space once he had obtained enough energy to reactivate his [[Planet-Destroying Fortress]]. {{storylink|The Wrath of the Resurrected Giant Fortress!}} The Autobots arrived to stop the villains while the fortress's main cannon was charging, and the Breastforce, combined as Liokaiser, engaged Victory Leo in battle. The feral Autobot was able to blast the combiner into the barrel of the cannon, which drained his energy dry. As his body blackened, Liokaiser could feel his consciousness begin to fade, and he could only manage a faint cry for help as his deactivated body drifted off into the depths of space. {{storylink|Showdown! The Fortress vs the Victory Unification}}

===''Victory'' comic===
[[Image:Breastforce manga.jpg|left|250px|thumb|]]
When the Breastforce arrived to join Deathsaurus in stealing energy from Earth, Leozack made his first strike alone, but botched it by forgetting to take his Breast Animal with him. {{storylink|Leozack Rumbles Violently!}} The rest of the team later battled Star Saber in their individual forms {{storylink|Warrior of Love, Star Saber!}} and still later combined with Leozack into Liokaiser to engage the Autobot leader on [[Energy Planet X]]. Liokaiser had the upper hand in this battle, but the tide turned when his individual components began arguing amongst themselves over who would get to deliver the killing blow, and Star Saber used the opening to defeat them. {{storylink|The Star of Friendship, Jean and Star Saber!}}

Subsequent fights did not go well for Liokaiser; first, he was thrashed by Star Saber when the Autobot leader combined with Victory Leo to become Victory Saber, {{storylink|The Strongest Partners, the Combination of Victory!}} and was then flattened by the united Autobots' "Five Stars of Victory" attack. {{storylink|Shine! The Five Stars of Victory}} Following this defeat, the Decepticons retreated into space and began attacking Earth using Deathsaurus's "Space Stronghold". Naturally, the Autobots pursued, and when Deathsaurus engaged Star Saber in a space battle, Leozack saw an opportunity to remove all his enemies at once. Even as his shocked teammates looked on, Leozack turned the fortress's main cannon on Deathsaurus! Deathsaurus survived the blast and fired upon the fortress with his own weapons, after which Star Saber came smashing through the fortress's control room window and slashed Leozack with his sword. Even as he collapsed in front of the Autobots, Leozack begged them not to destroy the fortress, and the true nature of the massive craft was revealed to the Autobots: It contained the Decepticons' [[relatives|families]], whom they had been fighting to protect all along. {{storylink|Heroic! The Victory War}}

====''Zone'' catalog====

Revived from death by some means and lead by the reborn [[Emperor of Destruction|Dark Emperor]] [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]], The Breastforce in the combined form of Liokaiser joined several other powerful Decepticons in an assault on planet [[Zone (planet)|Zone]]. Attempting to steal their [[Energon Z]], the Decepticons proved no match for the [[Micromaster]]s and were driven away. What became of Liokaiser after this is unknown. {{storylink|Zone (story page)#Catalogue story page 1|Zone Project Story}}

==Toys==
===Victory===

[[Image:Victory-toy Leozack.jpg|right|180px|thumb|]]
[[Image:Killbison-toy.jpg|right|180px|thumb|]]

;Breastforce

*[[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deszaras]] (1989)

*[[Liokaiser]] (1989)
**[[Leozack]]
**[[Drillhorn]]
**[[Gaihawk]]
**[[Hellbat]]
**[[Jarugar]]
**[[Killbison]]

The Breastforce were sold boxed with their Breast Animal partners, and consisted of seven all-new molds. The six smaller members could combine into Liokaiser (notable for his atypical almost-total lack of [[Kibble|combiner kibble]]), and were also sold together in a giftset.

Leozack, Drillhorn, Killbison and Jarugar were later remolded to create the [[Rescue Force]] [[Rescue Force jet|jet]], [[Rescue Force drill|drill]], [[Rescue Force tank|tank]] and [[Rescue Force buggy|buggy]], respectively.
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==Notes==
*The term "Breastforce" was consistently misanglicized as "Brestforce" on every English instance of the name on the toy's packaging and tech spec materials.
*who named these guys?

==External links==
*[http://www.soundwavesoblivion.com/techs1989.html Transformers Victory Translated Tech Specs at Soundwave's Oblivion]

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Space bridge

2011-02-18T15:22:37Z

Manmcmanman: /* Movie continuity */

The '''space bridge''' is a means of moving Transformers from one planet to another almost instantaneously, without the need for a spacecraft.

Space bridges are not to be confused with [[Transwarp]] technology, which is generally used to propel a spaceship between worlds (and, on occasion, through time.)

{{note|Space bridge technology varies widely between continuities, as described below.}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====Generation 1 cartoon====
[[Image:DivideConquer Earth spacebridge.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Colonel White has been looking for his control panel.]]
The space bridge was apparently first conceived by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] in 1984, as a means of transport back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] for the [[Decepticon]]s stranded on [[Earth]], and to allow them to ferry [[energon cube]]s to revitalize the planet. {{storylink|Transport to Oblivion}}

The Cybertronic end of the space bridge is a fixture in Shockwave's command center, where it takes the form of a cylindrical tube, the top of which projects outside of the center's dome; it is through this open end that transportees enter or depart amid a geyser of energy. The Earth-based end of the space bridge is decidedly more flexible—the Decepticons frequently constructed new space bridges in various locations, normally in the form of large metal rings.

In early uses of the space bridge, the dimensional portal could only remain open and stable for a maximum of 11 minutes. Early Space Bridge travel likewise proved somewhat unstable, and required the use of a small vehicle to safely transport any cargo. The vehicle was rolled into the ring on a railed structure, and then had to be piloted along "a beam of light". [[Reflector (G1)|Some]] Decepticons displayed pronounced horror at being chosen for this unenviable task, as not staying on the light beam would cause the pilot and cargo to "cease to exist". {{storylink|Divide and Conquer}} In the very first practice run of the mechanism, the villains opted to use the captive [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]], rather than risk any of their number.

[[Image:SpaceBridgeCartoon1.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Indiana Jones and the Flower of Doom!]]
After being knocked into the bridge by accident, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] proved able to traverse the bridge without a craft. {{storylink|Transport to Oblivion}} Several Autobots likewise survived the trip in their vehicle forms. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer}} After this, the need for the craft seems to have been removed, as many Transformers and various cargoes would travel by space bridge with no vessel and no difficulties. On one occasion, two humans in a convertible even made the trip with no ill effects. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1}} The process could, however, still go wrong, as it did when the Decepticons attempted to convert a baseball field into a new space bridge site, and a malfunction blasted a small group of Transformers to an alien world of giants. {{storylink|Child's Play (episode)|Child's Play}}

It's never made clear exactly how the space bridge works. Typical activation sequences show what appears to be a dimensional portal in the sky above the bridge, opened up by a blast of energy from the bridge ring; the bridge's contents (along with a great deal of rock and detritus) were then drawn into the portal, which then closed with a large discharge of energy. On the Cybertron end, the arrival is marked by a beam or gusher of energy arriving from deep space.

[[Image:TransportOblivion Cybertron spacebridge.jpg|right|200px|thumb|That door wasn't there a moment ago.]]
The space bridge technology was taken to its ultimate extent when the Decepticons constructed three colossal pylons that would generate a "space pyramid", the apex of which extended to Cybertron's location in another galaxy. Using this, Cybertron was transported into Earth's orbit for a brief period. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 1}} Cybertron was later removed from Earth's orbit by an explosion; though never explicitly addressed, this event by rights should have left Cybertron ''much'' closer to Earth, possibly accounting for the ease of travel between the two planets thereafter. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 3}}

The space bridge was used for planetary transportation once more when the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]] [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] wired his missile guidance systems into it and used its powers to redirect the orbit of Earth, intending to send it spiraling into the sun, only to be stopped by an [[Autobot]]-Decepticon team-up. {{storylink|The Revenge of Bruticus}}

The space bridge fell into disuse when the Autobots reclaimed Cybertron in 2005, and throughout 2006, both they and the Decepticons were shown to rely on more mundane means of space travel (shuttles, self-propelled flight) in addition to space bridge-like devices called "[[Warp Gate]]s" located throughout space. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
{{cleanup|May 2009|Needs storylinks.}}
By the year 2011, the Autobots had studied and duplicated the space bridge technology for their own use. They developed their own space bridge network, allowing transport between Cybertron, Earth and the planet [[Athenia]], with fixed space bridge receptors in each base (the transport beam was, of course, now the traditional Autobot orange, as opposed to the Decepticons' iconic purple). They did not, however, destroy the original Decepticon space bridge, as the Decepticons were unable to use it to travel to the planet due to Vector Sigma maintaining an Autobot balance of power. This proved to be a mistake, however, when the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]'s energy was released in 2010 to cure the [[Hate Plague]]; this caused Vector Sigma to become destabilized, and the Decepticons were able to exploit this to use the space bridge to invade Cybertron.

When [[Mars (planet)|Mars]] was destroyed by [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], the gravimetric balance of the solar system was disrupted, making space bridge travel to Earth unstable. This soon ceased to be an issue, however, when the Decepticons headed off on an interplanetary energy raid; in order to slow the Autobots down, [[Sixshot]] destroyed the Earth-based space bridge, causing a chain reaction that detonated the entire network.

The destruction of the space bridge left the only means to travel to Earth as the [[Trainbot]]s and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Battleship Maximus]] (or on one occasion, [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]]). This reduced ability to travel to Earth is one of the reasons for the heavy human involvement in the [[Super-God Masterforce (franchise)|following battles]], since Transformers are mostly unable to join the battle on Earth themselves.

===Marvel Generation 1 comics===
{{noteukonly}}
[[Image:Spacebridgemarvelcomic.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Get it? Space "bridge"? Ahahaha.]]
[[Image:Spanner2.JPG|left|180px|thumb|"Blow me up so that I may die with dignity."]]
The space bridge was built by [[Straxus (G1)|Lord Straxus]]'s Cybertronian Decepticons, in response to the discovery that [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s lost group of Decepticons were alive and had set up operations on Earth. The bridge, which resembles a normal Earthen suspension bridge when not in use, has two halves; one which which remains stationary on Cybertron, and another which teleports to Earth. Passing through the bridge's central arch transports objects across vast distances, instantly and painlessly. Although a properly functioning space bridge is a far more pleasant mode of transportation than the more fuel-efficient Autobot version, the [[Trans-Time Dimensional Portal]], an improperly calibrated space bridge will annihilate any object or being who attempts to pass through its arch. Lord Straxus illustrated this fact when [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] sent him over the edge during transit.

The original space bridge was built from the vast body of [[Spanner (G1)|Spanner]], a neutral scientist who had been captured by Straxus's forces and forced to design the Bridge. ''After the space bridge was almost completely destroyed, a new Bridge was built to replace it.''

===''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon===
{{main|Global Space Bridge}}

===Dreamwave Generation 1 comics===
The space bridge was developed by the Decepticons as a means of exploring (and presumably conquering) other worlds far away from Cybertron. These bridges were <s>[[wikipedia:Stargate_(device)|stargates]]</s> small portals that could only be programmed for a certain number of people. Megatron himself underwent the first test of the space bridge. However, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] collided with him before he entered. As it had been only programmed to accept one, the space bridge exploded, and both leaders were presumed dead. {{storylink|War Within: The Dark Ages}} In actuality, they had survived, and been transported to [[Quintessa]], where they remained for several millennia. {{storylink|War Within: The Age of Wrath}}

===Unicron Trilogy cartoon continuity===
Space bridges are the main mode of traveling in the [[Unicron Trilogy]]. Unlike their Generation 1 counterparts, they do not appear to need the use of a fixed device at both ends.

They appear to change in variation from series to series, although this is likely simply due to art direction. In ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', the Transformers are 'stretched' into warp gates, while in ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' and ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'', space bridges tend to appear as a large hole in the sky that may or may not have a clear ramp leading into it.

===''Animated'' cartoon===
[[Image:TFA Space Bridge.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Chevron seven is locked.]]
Space bridges are used to travel around the galaxy. This incarnation takes the form of a large, forked structure and works by generating a sphere of energy between the two prongs.

The technology is exclusively Autobot, and gave them a major strategic advantage over the Decepticons: thanks to the bridges, the Decepticon expansion was halted. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}}

The [[AllSpark]] was thrown into one to keep it out of Decepticon hands. [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] and his [[Bumblebee (Animated)|small]] [[Bulkhead (Animated)|band]] [[Prowl (Animated)|of]] [[Ratchet (Animated)|Autobots]] were put in charge of repairing space bridges. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}}

[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] planned to use some schematics to build his own, allowing him to [[transwarp]] to Cybertron and strike it without warning. He kidnapped [[Isaac Sumdac]] to design it {{storylink|The Elite Guard}} and used [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] and [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] to build it, but it wasn't enough. With [[Bulkhead (Animated)|some additional help]] he completed it, {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}} but as often is the case with Decepticon plans, it didn't end well. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}}

During the [[Decepticon Uprisings]], the Decepticons went after every space bridge on the periphery in a simultaneous assault. [[Team Chaar]] were the first squad to capture a bridge, but couldn't arrive at the [[Space bridge nexus]] on Cybertron as Shockwave, who held the access codes at the nexus, was waiting for Megatron's signal to begin the attack. The network was later shut down by the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]]. {{storylink|TransWarped}}

[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] used components from a transwarp generator in order to create a teleportation pod which she used to transform [[Wasp]] into a [[Technorganic]] being; however, after its use, the chamber exploded. {{storylink|Predacons Rising}} Bulkhead along with Isaac Sumdac later attempted to work together in making a space bridge on Earth for the Autobots but faced many arguments on how to calibrate the equipment. Luckily, Sari Sumdac managed to activate the system which was later used to transport Optimus Prime onto the [[Steelhaven (Animated)|Elite Guard flagship]] which had been taken over by the former Decepticon prisoners. {{storylink|Decepticon Air}}

===IDW continuity===
Space bridge technology was invented by [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]. After being turned into a zombie by Jhiaxus, [[Sixshot]] obtained his space bridge schematics and traded them to [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] in exchange for being returned to normal. {{storylink|Spotlight: Metroplex}} Megatron planned to create a web of space bridges across the galaxy, granting the Decepticons instant access to anything they needed. The first space bridge was constructed by [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] in the Decepticon-conquered [[New York City]]. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 10|All Hail Megatron #10}}

===Movie continuity===
If the [[Risk|''Transformers'' RISK]] game is to be taken at face value, there is a location on Cybertron housing a stationary space bridge. This area is bordered by [[Perihex]] and [[Polyhex]], and is linked via a bridge to [[Kalis]]. It is in this location where Bumblebee began his adventure. {{storylink|Risk}}

{{quote|You{{m-}}you blue-lighted us and something loud and painful and hallucinogenic happened and there was five seconds of Ted Nugent meets [[Thor]] and then...!|[[Sam Witwicky]] describes going through a space bridge.|[[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Revenge of the Fallen]]}}

Space bridges (also known as "transpatial portals") were first used by the [[Dynasty of Primes]], allowing them to transport between dimensions. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4|Defiance #4}} [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seekers]] have the ability to create space bridges, teleporting across worlds and between planets. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 3|Tales of the Fallen #3}} It was eventually discontinued in later models because of the excessive rate of failure. Apparently it was prone to catastrophic malfunction. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

Eventually, the Decepticons began using space bridge nodes to travel between vast distances of space. [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] ordered [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] to build a space bridge on [[Mars (planet)|Mars]] while his team went to retrieve [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] and the [[AllSpark]]. The trials were successful, but because of the distance between Mars and [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], they would have to pass through several nodes to return to their homeworld. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream Issue Number Two}}

[[Image:ROTF Jetfire space bridge.jpg|thumb|right|300px|what a macguffin]]
[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] mentioned the Space Bridge by name shortly before he did a really half-assed job of throwing himself and the rest of the heroes halfway across the world to Egypt, wrecking Sam's hand in the process (Jetfire wasn't entirely sure they were still on the right planet). The even-more-ancient but significantly less senile [[The Fallen|Fallen]], one of the [[Thirteen original Transformers|original Primes]], shows a similar ability where he teleports across short distances, seeming to use it as a form of flight. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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===''Prime'' continuity===
[[Image:PrimeSpacebridge.jpg|thumb|]]
Space bridges were the foundation for Cybertron's [[Golden Age]], linking it to [[Velocitron]], [[Gigantion]] and the [[Hub (G2)|Hub]]. As they grew less reliable, Cybertron's society stagnated and lost contact with its colonies. During the civil war, only one in Cybertron's orbit was still believed to be operational. When the ''[[Ark (Prime)|Ark]]'' and the ''[[Trypticon (Prime)|Nemesis]]'' entered it, it separated the two ships to different parts of space. According to [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]], the space bridges work by tearing holes in the fabric of reality. {{storylink|Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron}}

In the present, [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] was assigned by [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] to find remnants of space bridges, and he successfully built one in [[Kaon]]. [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] and [[Cliffjumper (Prime)|Cliffjumper]] overloaded its systems, jumping through it and landing on [[Earth]] — as did Starscream — before it blew up. Meanwhile, [[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] developed the [[ground bridge]], to transport themselves across [[Earth]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Prime (comic)|Transformers: Prime}}

Starscream subsequently built another space bridge in Earth's orbit, which he used to bring back Megatron from his deep space [[Dark Energon]] expedition, {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 1}} which Megatron intended to use to resurrect the Cybertronian dead and bring them to Earth via the space bridge. The Autobots discovered the Decepticons' plans for a space time vortex generator, indicating that they had built a space bridge. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 4}} The fact that the [[Nemesis (Prime)|Decepticon ship's]] navigation sensors were damaged meant that the Decepticons had to use a radio dish array in [[Texas]] to target the space bridge at Cybertron. Once this was accomplished, Megatron heaved a big chunk of Dark Energon through and raised Cybertron's dead. This undead army began traversing the space bridge to Earth, however the Autobots had obtained the space bridge schematics, and were able to reverse the valve on the energon pump. The reversed power caused the space bridge to explode, taking the zombie army and possibly Megatron with it. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 5}}

{{spoilers|Masters & Students|18 February 2011}}
While observing [[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]]'s battle with Optimus and Bumblebee, Soundwave picked up a Decepticon life signal near the remains of the space bridge, possibly Megatron's. Although initially trying to dismiss it, Starscream eventually went to investigate. At the space bridge debris field, he found Megatron, still alive thanks to the Dark Energon crystal he had placed within himself. Although Starscream intended to leave Megatron for dead, Soundwave, not trusting his comrade, sent his [[Deployer (Prime)|Deployer]] to also search the space bridge debris field, forcing Starscream to take Megatron back to the Decepticon ship. {{storylink|Masters & Students}}

==Merchandise==
* '''RISK TRANSFORMERS CYBERTRON Battle Edition''' (2007)
: The Space Bridge is one of the yellow zones on the board.

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Talk:Devastator (ROTF)

2011-02-18T15:13:44Z

Manmcmanman: /* Film-specific transformation? */

== Seven vehicles ==
Paramount listing mention 7 constructicons vehicles, Overload is the not-mentioned-before seventh one:
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/04/01/tranformers-2-robots-announced/ --[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 17:33, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
:Can we put somewhere on this page a link to either the seven Constructicons or the group page?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:04, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

: A leaked image of legends class construction group even cofirms it...and might i add that they actualy combine into devastator?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 05:47, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
::Not to us though. You just said a ''leaked'' image of the Constructicons, we only use ''confirmed'' news about this stuff (Hasbro, Wal-Mart, Target, etc.). Until then, Devastator only has six components.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I withdraw my previous statement.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:57, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

Was the Paramount listing officially released? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:54, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:06, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

I gather [http://tformers.com/transformers-takara-announces-revenge-of-the-fallen-transformable-legends-devastator-combiner/11492/news.html Takara] has an upcoming toy that makes the whole thing ''much'' clearer.

Can someone who is ''not'' me use this to add altmodes to the list of names? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:56, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

* 2010 for Legends class? Say it ain't so! [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:42, 13 June 2009 (EDT)

Should Devastator's various toy descriptions be revised? Majorish spoilers: In the film, there are at least two sets of constructicons, as they appear both as induviduals and as Devastator simultaniously, or else shown to be incapacitated to such a degree that the could not be a part of him. More importantly, the ones that form Devastator are not shown to have robot modes of their own.(although the supreme toy is still inacurate since Overload's vehicle is a clear part of Devastator) The acuracy of the figures should not have been brought into question before there was something to compare them to. Simple as that.[[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 18:38, 20 June 2009 (ED

In what stores will Legends Devastator be available in the US? [[Special:Contributions/205.188.117.8|205.188.117.8]] 17:43, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

;Another interview
Micheal Bay confirmed that Devastator is combined from seven vehicles. And, seems each individual is able to transform (Oh...) just like the Legends class. ''Argh''.
http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/9f78f1359c3d0e8c32795a6033cceab2-551.html
:''In the final cut, much of that scene is dominated by CG-animated alien robots, including Devastator — ''the new villain made out of seven individual robots'' who hide in the form of construction equipment. But the flesh-and-blood actors also got to romp on the pyramids.''
--'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 03:28, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::That article was written for ''USA Today'', it is not a quote from Bay, and as the film shows, Devy is made of more than seven vehicles, his right hand is separate from his arm, plus there's a blue and yellow dump truck that shows up above the pit he combines in. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 19:04, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

==Blind packaged?==
Where has it been stated that the EZ Constructicons would be blind-packed in Japan? The other EZ guys are, but that seems to be a different assortment to the Constructicons, who were shown in US Legends-like packaging once at some show, and at least HLJ is selling them separately. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 12:15, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:They will be blind packed as it would be seriously stupid to sell them so you know exactly what you get when each case contains a case figure. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:28, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::In what sense is it "seriously stupid"? It's logical, and perhaps inevitable, given that the rest of the EZ Collection are blind-packed, but it's not a dumb question for Mazenoise to ask. Devastator's a combiner. Even non-collectors are going to want to catch them all in that instance. If they're blind-packed, that's going to be a nightmare. (I'm still figuring the number of packs you'd need to buy to get even a 50/50 chance of completing the set.) Of course, given the relative crappiness of some of the Legends Constructicons, if they're not blind packed then the distribution will shift in favour of pegwarmers over time, which would ''also'' be unfavourable for people trying to complete the set. [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 07:11, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::I meant it would be stupid if they weren't blind packed as that way you would know what you get so you could easily pick the rare case figure. And these aren't part of the normal EZ collection but of a special Devastator set, each case contains 3.5 Devastators and a case figure.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 09:20, 5 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Ah, got you, I misunderstood you. So we're on the same page then. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 10:35, 5 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::So turns out their not blindpacked. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 08:06, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::Everyone's a winner! [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:19, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

== Voiced? ==

Unless I missed something else the second time I watched the movie, that is not Devastator speaking, it is Megatron announcing/shouting to him. So Devastator doesn't speak, just roars.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:55, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:Welker often does... less verbose critters, where he just growls or makes animal sounds. There's a few he's even famous for.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:59, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::I think he voised him in the game and the voise-box of the toy.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 08:25, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

== Film-specific transformation? ==

Okay, I know the toys can only approximate the live-action design, but Devastator's combination doesn't seem to be at all consistent. To ''start'' with, the shots of the construction vehicles arriving in the canyon are off; Scrapper and Hightower are on Mixmaster's right and Overload's on his left, with Scavenger behind the other vehicles, and Rampage and Long Haul on a higher-level cliff edge. When the combination starts, however, Scrapper's on the left of Scavenger, Mixmaster is in front of the others and Overload seems to have completely disappeared. Maybe the big D ''is'' a six-Con combiner after all?

It gets worse when, from what I can tell, Rampage (who's actually on ground level along with Long Haul) apparently gets picked up by Hightower to become D's ''left hand''. What the hell forms the left leg, then? Did Overload switch jobs and colour scheme when nobody was looking? I'd seriously appreciate some help in a consensus on what happened. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 07:51, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
::It all just got swallowed into a writhing mass of metal, and reemerged where it should have been all along, apparently.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 20:22, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, the set-up scene with the vehicles driving up was wrong, but set that aside. Overload does not, in any way, form part of Devastator! Rampage transforms wrong, he transforms like Scavenger, with his scoop breaking into three pieces. Devastator's left arm (which already has Hightower attached) slams down on top of Rampage to form... a longer arm. You also don't see Long Haul actually attach to Devastator, but he does begin his transformation sequence. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:58, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Hightower does not slam down on top of Rampage to complete the arm. That is a [[Unknown Constructicon shovel|completely different vehicle mode and Transformer]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:20, 21 January 2010 (EST)
On the left of hightower you see zee little on once the transformation starts.

[[User:Starfield|starfield]] is wrong! overload acctually forms the lower torso and titanium buttocks of devastator and the other long haul is called gravedigger

== Non-individual transformation ==

I've read the Battle bio, but I haven't read the Movie Universe Ultimate Guide. I'd like to know what is written about Devastator's entry in the book because I think "In the film, none of the components of Devastator are shown as individual Transformers. This would justify why the components of the Constructicon Devastator playset to have no individual humanoid modes" is still notable. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:08, 22 July 2009 (EDT)
:"Did you know? ... The individual intellects of the six Constructicons are largely lost during the combination process." [http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/07/ask-orci-final-edition.html Roberto Orci was also asked about it] and said, "I suppose since we didn't commit either way, I wouldn't want to tie the hands of future writers with my non-canon opinion." So the writers didn't commit either way, which means the work of "future writers" settles the matter. So far that means the battle bio and The Movie Universe. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:22, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

::So it seems safe to add back only "In the film, none of Devastator's components are shown as individual Transformers. This would(might) justify why the components of his Supereme class toy to have no individual humanoid modes.", since the note doesn't mention any speculation whether Devastator is not a combiner or any suggestion which contradicts to the bio. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 08:39, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

== Wrecking balls? ==

Those are overhaul balls! The one had a hook on it. That's a major clue, because a hook on a wrecking ball would quickly become scrap.

They're not for demolition; they're to make sure the relatively light hook goes down smoothly when lowered.

Those where maybe hightowers and he also seems to be part dragon

== Two Rampages form Devastator? ==

That is a good catch if it is true. I didn't notice. Can it be confirmed that two Rampages formed Devastator in the film? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:59, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:And what is Overload's bullet? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:01, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Overload's bullet specifies that it's not always a part of Devastator in every medium. If the twin Rampage thing turns out to be true ''for the movie'', it needs to have the same qualification to it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 23:10, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:Don't know how canonical it is, but one of Devastator's promotional art pieces (http://idigitalcitizen.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/1440x960-devastator-specs.jpg) definitely has two sets of treads in the left leg - one as the foot, one up in the knee, and comparing the size of the treads to the leg itself it'd need two Rampages to have that much mass. I haven't seen a good enough shot of his leg in any other media to confirm this. Should it be three, though? It definitely seemed like a third Rampage became the left hand. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 18:56, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
::That same piece of art labels the left leg as "Rampage component" (singular). I'm not sure who originally wrote that there were two Rampages or why, but I think it is because in the movie Transformation sequence Rampage forms part of the left arm along with Hightower. It is not shown where Devastator gets his left leg but presumably it is (also) Rampage. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:27, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
:That bit for the knee doesn't look like the same kind of tread, though. It could be an unwrapped wheel, like with Scrapper.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 23:46, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
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Well, i studyed it and I found something. Lets look on it when Construcitons arrive to canyon. Lets take it from Scavengers view as the center.
- Mixmaster is in front of him. Thats right.
- Hightower in on left side, thats right too.
- Scrapper is on right side along with Overload, but farrer like Hightower. When he arrive he is behind Overload but then he is in front of overload.
- Overload is on right side behind Scrapper.
- Long Haul is there twice!!! Because he isnt only on higher ground, but ALSO near Simmons and Leo.
- Rampage is on high ground along with one Long Haul.

So now we got there 8 Constructicons in the pit!!! Now transformations:

- Scavenger becomes body.
- Mixmaster becomes head combined with Scavenger (red).
- Hightower becomes left arm, but attachs "something" as its fist.
- Scrapper becomes "probably" right arm.
- Overload dissappears.
- Long Haul becames very quickly right leg.
- Rampage becomes quickly left leg.

So now there are only 2 Constructicons!!! What happened to Overload and second Long Haul? And also when he arrives he is also behind Overload AND on left side from Mixmaster. So there are 9 Constructicons. Now i will say my theory.

- Scavenger and Mixmaster are obvious.
- Hightower attach second Scrapper as his fist.
- First Scrapper becomes a right fist when Overload attach him.
- Overload became right arm.
- One Long Haul jump from the cliff and form right leg.
- Rampage also jump from the cliff and make left leg.

This explain some things, but still I dont know what exactly happened to second Long Haul near Twins and Simmons (and Leo)... hmmm. And if you really want to know that, why you simply dont send Email to Paramount, Hasbro or that other company r directly to Michael Bay how it really is with Devastator. Like his "balls", they should be from Hightower, but how something from his arm could be in his pelvis? [[User:V.Metalic|V.Metalic]] 20:10, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

== Supreme Class Constructicon Devastator==
The second Supreme Class Devastator is impossible to find information about online. Does anyone know if this is a toy that is going to be released, or has it already been out? It looks like it is made up of the Legends Class figures, so does one have to buy all of the Legend Class vehicles to make Devastator? [[User:Fergalicious|Fergalicious]] 01:53, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:Um, what second Supreme Class Devastator?[[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:17, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
::I know what Fergalicious means. It's not a Supreme Class, it's just made of the Legends Constructicons. The size is really closer a Deluxe, if I'm right. [[User:Fallen13|Fallen13]] 20:02, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
::: Oh, right, the Legends ones. Yeah, it's out in Japan as a selection of EZ Collection Constructicons which you can collect and combine, but Hasbro's suggested that it'll bring them to the US (at the very least) as a store exclusive next year, containing all 7 Constructicons. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 17:49, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

==Page protection==

Is this page still meant to be protected? [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 05:08, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:Surely it can be unprotected by now![[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 14:51, 22 January 2010 (EST)

==Required components==

Couldn't it be possible that some of Devastator's components aren't ''required'' for combination, they're just extra parts that augment him internally to make him extra powerful. Also, the fact that there are a bunch of duplicates of his components would make it possible that there are lots of Devastators, wouldn't it. Correct me if I'm wrong. {{unsigned|70.100.242.133|12:33, November 6, 2009 (EST)}}
:You are basically right. It is possible. See [http://unicron-events-interviews.blogspot.com/2009/10/hasbro-q-10212009.html Hasbro's answer] to the question (#2). "...there are a race of Transformers called Combiners that are not limited to one form or method of combining. Needless to say, there are a lot of things that can happen within this and other races of Transformers." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:45, 6 November 2009 (EST)

==Legends Class Poseablity==
"The only real drawback he has is that he almost has no articulation."
To be fair, he has about as much articulation as the G1 Devastator, and he holds together better. His arms swing out, he bends at the elbows. His hands open and close, his head moves and he has some wiggle in his legs.

== Talky Toy Tips ==

Didn't know about the clip-the-jaws-open trick before reading this. I'm not sure if I'll find it visually pleasing enough to utilize, but it's interesting to find out.

As for gabby Mixmaster, yeah, if you move him in any way in vehicle mode (or bump the surface on which he's sitting, or sometimes just look at him funny), his sound gimmick will go off. For some reason, however, mine seems a lot less talky in Devastator-head mode. Once you click the rear of the vehicle into place underneath it, switching the sound gimmick to robot mode, it isn't nearly as sensitive, and it's even less so once Mixmaster is plugged into place as part of Devastator.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:58, 25 December 2009 (EST)

== Argos ==

I didn't mean to imply that Argos had the UK exclusive. However it's definitely on sale, today, in Argos. Whether they have the exclusive or not is rather orthogonal. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 16:46, 24 January 2010 (EST)

== Larger Legends class ==

There is a larger Legends class Devastator toy that, apart from the size, appears to be identical to the original. It is being sold on Ebay here http://preview.tinyurl.com/y9nzhgy
Should this go in?[[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 14:07, 22 February 2010 (EST)
:No. Because it's a bootleg. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:13, 22 February 2010 (EST)
::Ah, thought so.[[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 13:43, 23 February 2010 (EST)

== Another Devastator render? ==

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/274497-can-someone-post-some-high-res-screen-shots-119.html

Go to the post by TFW member SKowl. He claims it was from BotCon 2009. Think this could go on the page, like in the trivia section? Just something I thought I'd share. {{unsigned|70.253.134.107}}

Talk:Devastator (ROTF)

2011-02-18T15:12:34Z

Manmcmanman: /* Film-specific transformation? */

== Seven vehicles ==
Paramount listing mention 7 constructicons vehicles, Overload is the not-mentioned-before seventh one:
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/04/01/tranformers-2-robots-announced/ --[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 17:33, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
:Can we put somewhere on this page a link to either the seven Constructicons or the group page?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:04, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

: A leaked image of legends class construction group even cofirms it...and might i add that they actualy combine into devastator?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 05:47, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
::Not to us though. You just said a ''leaked'' image of the Constructicons, we only use ''confirmed'' news about this stuff (Hasbro, Wal-Mart, Target, etc.). Until then, Devastator only has six components.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I withdraw my previous statement.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:57, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

Was the Paramount listing officially released? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:54, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:06, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

I gather [http://tformers.com/transformers-takara-announces-revenge-of-the-fallen-transformable-legends-devastator-combiner/11492/news.html Takara] has an upcoming toy that makes the whole thing ''much'' clearer.

Can someone who is ''not'' me use this to add altmodes to the list of names? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:56, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

* 2010 for Legends class? Say it ain't so! [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:42, 13 June 2009 (EDT)

Should Devastator's various toy descriptions be revised? Majorish spoilers: In the film, there are at least two sets of constructicons, as they appear both as induviduals and as Devastator simultaniously, or else shown to be incapacitated to such a degree that the could not be a part of him. More importantly, the ones that form Devastator are not shown to have robot modes of their own.(although the supreme toy is still inacurate since Overload's vehicle is a clear part of Devastator) The acuracy of the figures should not have been brought into question before there was something to compare them to. Simple as that.[[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 18:38, 20 June 2009 (ED

In what stores will Legends Devastator be available in the US? [[Special:Contributions/205.188.117.8|205.188.117.8]] 17:43, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

;Another interview
Micheal Bay confirmed that Devastator is combined from seven vehicles. And, seems each individual is able to transform (Oh...) just like the Legends class. ''Argh''.
http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/9f78f1359c3d0e8c32795a6033cceab2-551.html
:''In the final cut, much of that scene is dominated by CG-animated alien robots, including Devastator — ''the new villain made out of seven individual robots'' who hide in the form of construction equipment. But the flesh-and-blood actors also got to romp on the pyramids.''
--'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 03:28, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::That article was written for ''USA Today'', it is not a quote from Bay, and as the film shows, Devy is made of more than seven vehicles, his right hand is separate from his arm, plus there's a blue and yellow dump truck that shows up above the pit he combines in. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 19:04, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

==Blind packaged?==
Where has it been stated that the EZ Constructicons would be blind-packed in Japan? The other EZ guys are, but that seems to be a different assortment to the Constructicons, who were shown in US Legends-like packaging once at some show, and at least HLJ is selling them separately. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 12:15, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:They will be blind packed as it would be seriously stupid to sell them so you know exactly what you get when each case contains a case figure. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:28, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::In what sense is it "seriously stupid"? It's logical, and perhaps inevitable, given that the rest of the EZ Collection are blind-packed, but it's not a dumb question for Mazenoise to ask. Devastator's a combiner. Even non-collectors are going to want to catch them all in that instance. If they're blind-packed, that's going to be a nightmare. (I'm still figuring the number of packs you'd need to buy to get even a 50/50 chance of completing the set.) Of course, given the relative crappiness of some of the Legends Constructicons, if they're not blind packed then the distribution will shift in favour of pegwarmers over time, which would ''also'' be unfavourable for people trying to complete the set. [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 07:11, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::I meant it would be stupid if they weren't blind packed as that way you would know what you get so you could easily pick the rare case figure. And these aren't part of the normal EZ collection but of a special Devastator set, each case contains 3.5 Devastators and a case figure.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 09:20, 5 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Ah, got you, I misunderstood you. So we're on the same page then. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 10:35, 5 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::So turns out their not blindpacked. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 08:06, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::Everyone's a winner! [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:19, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

== Voiced? ==

Unless I missed something else the second time I watched the movie, that is not Devastator speaking, it is Megatron announcing/shouting to him. So Devastator doesn't speak, just roars.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:55, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:Welker often does... less verbose critters, where he just growls or makes animal sounds. There's a few he's even famous for.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:59, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::I think he voised him in the game and the voise-box of the toy.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 08:25, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

== Film-specific transformation? ==

Okay, I know the toys can only approximate the live-action design, but Devastator's combination doesn't seem to be at all consistent. To ''start'' with, the shots of the construction vehicles arriving in the canyon are off; Scrapper and Hightower are on Mixmaster's right and Overload's on his left, with Scavenger behind the other vehicles, and Rampage and Long Haul on a higher-level cliff edge. When the combination starts, however, Scrapper's on the left of Scavenger, Mixmaster is in front of the others and Overload seems to have completely disappeared. Maybe the big D ''is'' a six-Con combiner after all?

It gets worse when, from what I can tell, Rampage (who's actually on ground level along with Long Haul) apparently gets picked up by Hightower to become D's ''left hand''. What the hell forms the left leg, then? Did Overload switch jobs and colour scheme when nobody was looking? I'd seriously appreciate some help in a consensus on what happened. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 07:51, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
::It all just got swallowed into a writhing mass of metal, and reemerged where it should have been all along, apparently.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 20:22, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, the set-up scene with the vehicles driving up was wrong, but set that aside. Overload does not, in any way, form part of Devastator! Rampage transforms wrong, he transforms like Scavenger, with his scoop breaking into three pieces. Devastator's left arm (which already has Hightower attached) slams down on top of Rampage to form... a longer arm. You also don't see Long Haul actually attach to Devastator, but he does begin his transformation sequence. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:58, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Hightower does not slam down on top of Rampage to complete the arm. That is a [[Unknown Constructicon shovel|completely different vehicle mode and Transformer]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:20, 21 January 2010 (EST)
On the left of hightower you see zee little on once the transformation starts.
[[starfield]] is wrong! overload acctually forms the lower torso and titanium buttocks of devastator and the other long haul is called gravedigger

== Non-individual transformation ==

I've read the Battle bio, but I haven't read the Movie Universe Ultimate Guide. I'd like to know what is written about Devastator's entry in the book because I think "In the film, none of the components of Devastator are shown as individual Transformers. This would justify why the components of the Constructicon Devastator playset to have no individual humanoid modes" is still notable. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:08, 22 July 2009 (EDT)
:"Did you know? ... The individual intellects of the six Constructicons are largely lost during the combination process." [http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/07/ask-orci-final-edition.html Roberto Orci was also asked about it] and said, "I suppose since we didn't commit either way, I wouldn't want to tie the hands of future writers with my non-canon opinion." So the writers didn't commit either way, which means the work of "future writers" settles the matter. So far that means the battle bio and The Movie Universe. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:22, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

::So it seems safe to add back only "In the film, none of Devastator's components are shown as individual Transformers. This would(might) justify why the components of his Supereme class toy to have no individual humanoid modes.", since the note doesn't mention any speculation whether Devastator is not a combiner or any suggestion which contradicts to the bio. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 08:39, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

== Wrecking balls? ==

Those are overhaul balls! The one had a hook on it. That's a major clue, because a hook on a wrecking ball would quickly become scrap.

They're not for demolition; they're to make sure the relatively light hook goes down smoothly when lowered.

Those where maybe hightowers and he also seems to be part dragon

== Two Rampages form Devastator? ==

That is a good catch if it is true. I didn't notice. Can it be confirmed that two Rampages formed Devastator in the film? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:59, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:And what is Overload's bullet? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:01, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Overload's bullet specifies that it's not always a part of Devastator in every medium. If the twin Rampage thing turns out to be true ''for the movie'', it needs to have the same qualification to it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 23:10, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:Don't know how canonical it is, but one of Devastator's promotional art pieces (http://idigitalcitizen.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/1440x960-devastator-specs.jpg) definitely has two sets of treads in the left leg - one as the foot, one up in the knee, and comparing the size of the treads to the leg itself it'd need two Rampages to have that much mass. I haven't seen a good enough shot of his leg in any other media to confirm this. Should it be three, though? It definitely seemed like a third Rampage became the left hand. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 18:56, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
::That same piece of art labels the left leg as "Rampage component" (singular). I'm not sure who originally wrote that there were two Rampages or why, but I think it is because in the movie Transformation sequence Rampage forms part of the left arm along with Hightower. It is not shown where Devastator gets his left leg but presumably it is (also) Rampage. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:27, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
:That bit for the knee doesn't look like the same kind of tread, though. It could be an unwrapped wheel, like with Scrapper.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 23:46, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
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Well, i studyed it and I found something. Lets look on it when Construcitons arrive to canyon. Lets take it from Scavengers view as the center.
- Mixmaster is in front of him. Thats right.
- Hightower in on left side, thats right too.
- Scrapper is on right side along with Overload, but farrer like Hightower. When he arrive he is behind Overload but then he is in front of overload.
- Overload is on right side behind Scrapper.
- Long Haul is there twice!!! Because he isnt only on higher ground, but ALSO near Simmons and Leo.
- Rampage is on high ground along with one Long Haul.

So now we got there 8 Constructicons in the pit!!! Now transformations:

- Scavenger becomes body.
- Mixmaster becomes head combined with Scavenger (red).
- Hightower becomes left arm, but attachs "something" as its fist.
- Scrapper becomes "probably" right arm.
- Overload dissappears.
- Long Haul becames very quickly right leg.
- Rampage becomes quickly left leg.

So now there are only 2 Constructicons!!! What happened to Overload and second Long Haul? And also when he arrives he is also behind Overload AND on left side from Mixmaster. So there are 9 Constructicons. Now i will say my theory.

- Scavenger and Mixmaster are obvious.
- Hightower attach second Scrapper as his fist.
- First Scrapper becomes a right fist when Overload attach him.
- Overload became right arm.
- One Long Haul jump from the cliff and form right leg.
- Rampage also jump from the cliff and make left leg.

This explain some things, but still I dont know what exactly happened to second Long Haul near Twins and Simmons (and Leo)... hmmm. And if you really want to know that, why you simply dont send Email to Paramount, Hasbro or that other company r directly to Michael Bay how it really is with Devastator. Like his "balls", they should be from Hightower, but how something from his arm could be in his pelvis? [[User:V.Metalic|V.Metalic]] 20:10, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

== Supreme Class Constructicon Devastator==
The second Supreme Class Devastator is impossible to find information about online. Does anyone know if this is a toy that is going to be released, or has it already been out? It looks like it is made up of the Legends Class figures, so does one have to buy all of the Legend Class vehicles to make Devastator? [[User:Fergalicious|Fergalicious]] 01:53, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:Um, what second Supreme Class Devastator?[[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:17, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
::I know what Fergalicious means. It's not a Supreme Class, it's just made of the Legends Constructicons. The size is really closer a Deluxe, if I'm right. [[User:Fallen13|Fallen13]] 20:02, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
::: Oh, right, the Legends ones. Yeah, it's out in Japan as a selection of EZ Collection Constructicons which you can collect and combine, but Hasbro's suggested that it'll bring them to the US (at the very least) as a store exclusive next year, containing all 7 Constructicons. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 17:49, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

==Page protection==

Is this page still meant to be protected? [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 05:08, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:Surely it can be unprotected by now![[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 14:51, 22 January 2010 (EST)

==Required components==

Couldn't it be possible that some of Devastator's components aren't ''required'' for combination, they're just extra parts that augment him internally to make him extra powerful. Also, the fact that there are a bunch of duplicates of his components would make it possible that there are lots of Devastators, wouldn't it. Correct me if I'm wrong. {{unsigned|70.100.242.133|12:33, November 6, 2009 (EST)}}
:You are basically right. It is possible. See [http://unicron-events-interviews.blogspot.com/2009/10/hasbro-q-10212009.html Hasbro's answer] to the question (#2). "...there are a race of Transformers called Combiners that are not limited to one form or method of combining. Needless to say, there are a lot of things that can happen within this and other races of Transformers." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:45, 6 November 2009 (EST)

==Legends Class Poseablity==
"The only real drawback he has is that he almost has no articulation."
To be fair, he has about as much articulation as the G1 Devastator, and he holds together better. His arms swing out, he bends at the elbows. His hands open and close, his head moves and he has some wiggle in his legs.

== Talky Toy Tips ==

Didn't know about the clip-the-jaws-open trick before reading this. I'm not sure if I'll find it visually pleasing enough to utilize, but it's interesting to find out.

As for gabby Mixmaster, yeah, if you move him in any way in vehicle mode (or bump the surface on which he's sitting, or sometimes just look at him funny), his sound gimmick will go off. For some reason, however, mine seems a lot less talky in Devastator-head mode. Once you click the rear of the vehicle into place underneath it, switching the sound gimmick to robot mode, it isn't nearly as sensitive, and it's even less so once Mixmaster is plugged into place as part of Devastator.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:58, 25 December 2009 (EST)

== Argos ==

I didn't mean to imply that Argos had the UK exclusive. However it's definitely on sale, today, in Argos. Whether they have the exclusive or not is rather orthogonal. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 16:46, 24 January 2010 (EST)

== Larger Legends class ==

There is a larger Legends class Devastator toy that, apart from the size, appears to be identical to the original. It is being sold on Ebay here http://preview.tinyurl.com/y9nzhgy
Should this go in?[[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 14:07, 22 February 2010 (EST)
:No. Because it's a bootleg. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:13, 22 February 2010 (EST)
::Ah, thought so.[[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 13:43, 23 February 2010 (EST)

== Another Devastator render? ==

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/274497-can-someone-post-some-high-res-screen-shots-119.html

Go to the post by TFW member SKowl. He claims it was from BotCon 2009. Think this could go on the page, like in the trivia section? Just something I thought I'd share. {{unsigned|70.253.134.107}}

Talk:Main Page

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THE FUNNY STAYS.
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==Archives==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive1]]
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*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive4|Archive4]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive5|Archive5]]

==Slight reorganization?==
Should we move "Editing Tips" to the left column? The "This Day in History" and "Schedule" boxes are gonna pretty much be longer and longer as time goes on. This is just going to push "Editing" even further down, leaving lots of whitespace. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:45, 8 November 2009 (EST)
:I'd been thinking of that myself. Although I was thinking more of breaking up the list into two sections and just having it sit the full width of the page.
:We could instead or also trim the Featured Series box back down, and/or combine the Categories and Continuities boxes, which I'd also been considering. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (EST)
::How about making the "This Day" and "Schedule" boxes like the "Series" - show a few highlights, click for full listing. On the other hand, "Editing Tips" seems like something that should go in or near the "Toolbox". [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:06, 8 November 2009 (EST) (forgot to log in at first)
:::I don't like the idea of condensing either list. Who dictates what's more important? Hell, half the point is to provide more and more jumping-off points to things people might not have thought about normally from the main page. I think simply moving "editing" will suffice. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:12, 8 November 2009 (EST)
::::I can see the point about who decides what's important, but surely it is not necessary to have something in the "Schedule" two and a half years beforehand (premiere of TF3). Showing ~ one month's worth on the main page would probably be enough. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:23, 8 November 2009 (EST)
:::::It's not like anything that far in advance is going to be announced often. Hell, TF3 is about it, and oh joy, you're saving one line. And no, I don't think one month is enough, because honestly, the Schedule tends to get forgotten, and events end up still on there weeks after they were done. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:04, 8 November 2009 (EST)

== Little slow ==

So, what exactly are the differences between tfwiki and transformerswikia? And why the split and stuff?[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 04:07, 17 December 2009 (EST)
:See the [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal/Complaints|complaints]] page as to why we moved. TFWiki is run on an independent server and has almost all of the people who used to edit on th wikia. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:34, 17 December 2009 (EST)

== Just wondering ==

Why is it important to list the advertisements in comic books? I really can't see why?--[[User:LesterX|LesterX]] 20:27, 22 December 2009 (EST)
:Why not? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:46, 22 December 2009 (EST)
::Sometimes they have little blurbs, "This guy is cool because..." They are official info, no? Which characters get the marketing monies and whatsuch. Plus they are usually so condensed, they can represent the character in a waaaay left field manner, kinda like eating condensed soup w/o the cans of water. You get the familiar taste, but in a "-choke-, come again?" manner.[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 20:57, 14 February 2010 (EST)

==Sidebar==
Sidebar is FUBAR in Internet Explorer. See [http://obscuretf.com/TFWikiIESideBar.jpg here], ignoring the swath of stuff cut out from the middle because I didn't feel like printscreening it. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 15:33, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:Looking at it... it seems to be some kind of problem with the float on the sidebar. Whether it's due to IE not properly squishing and/or scrollbar-ing the main content section to ensure it fits (the way FF and Opera do), or something wrong with the float declaration itself, I'm not sure, though. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:47, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::In my case, the sidebar's font seemed to have shrunk on the main page but it looks normal when I'm elsewhere. [http://img63.imageshack.us/i/tfwikimainpage.jpg/ Main page] and [http://img685.imageshack.us/i/tfwikisamplebluestreak.jpg/ random page] (okay, Bluestreak's) for comparison. And I'm using Firefox 3.5.7. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 16:16, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::I get the same result as Lonegamer with Firefox 3.5.5 and IE 8.0.6001.18865. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 16:22, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::Using IE and yeah, sidebar's hiding way the hell down there somewhere. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:30, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::::Unfortunately, I suspect this likely is something that can only be fixed by someone with access to the site's CSS/HTML, rather than by wikicode. What's the standard method for summoning Suki or Derik? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:41, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::::That should be fixed now... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:35, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::::I can be summoned by a virgin sacrifice or AIM... like it says on my userpage. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:43, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::::::Ah, that explains it. I don't have AIM or any virgins I'm willing to sacrifice... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:50, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::::::Yay, it's normal! --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:58, 13 January 2010 (EST)

== New WFC TFWiki logo image? ==
IMHO, we totally need to add [http://www.gamestop.com/gs/images/bonus/Transformers_Cybertron_bonusLG.jpg a logo of this pic] to our rotation. (I'd do it myself, except I don't have our logo bit to add to it...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:37, 9 February 2010 (EST)
:And I am now content. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:22, 10 February 2010 (EST)

== Kudos ==

I'd like to take a nanoclick to say that out of all the various wikis save Wikipedia Prime, and often including Wikipedia Prime, funny or no funny, THIS WIKI HAS IT'S $#!+ TOGETHER. Other Wiki's have about as many users in all as we have SERIOUS/DEDICATED users. ... Does TFWIKI have a fanfare/praise page?[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 21:08, 14 February 2010 (EST)

== Extremely weird... ==

When I try to set the size of Image:DiacloneSkids.jpg to 300px, it comes out as Image:G1SkyLynx toy.jpg[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:05, 28 February 2010 (EST)
[[Image:DiacloneSkids.jpg|thumb|right|300px|See?]]
: Can't say I'm seeing that. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:21, 28 February 2010 (EST)
::Okay, just my computer then. Still weird. It ONLY does it at 300px, not 299, not 301, JUST 300. Guess it's telling me to log off. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:25, 28 February 2010 (EST)
:::Okay, now it's back to normal. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:05, 1 March 2010 (EST)
{{-}}
::::Sounds like an image cacheing issue. Those usually fix themselves in a few hours.
::::(OTOH, I've seen a few instances when a certain resolution's thumbnail is permanently screwed up.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:40, 9 May 2010 (EDT)

== Possible Tweaks... ==

So, I decided I wanted to try and make our Main Page a little less "unbroken sea of text" if I could. I basically consolidated Continuities/Categories into one, as well as merging Editing Tips/Holy Grails into one along with a resurrected "Improvement Drive" idea. I also added in some headers and logos to break things up, and trimmed down the Series list to show just the major fiction. Check it out here: [[User:Jeysie/Main Page]] and give thoughts? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:11, 9 May 2010 (EDT)
:I like the consolidated "Improvement Drive" box and really like the separation of months in the Schedule. On the other hand, I like using logos in theory, but I'm not so sure about how it works in execution. Particularly I'm wary about the logos of the Japan-exclusive series. Having something on our front page that most of our readers can't read seems, well, unideal. Putting the titles under the logos in plain text would fix that, but that'd seem kind of gratuitous under the English logos. I also ''really'' don't like the use of the logo of the first series in a continuity to represent the entire thing in the Continuities box. It makes it look like the one series is the entire continuity, which also makes it look like an unnecessary overlap with the Series box. I think it'd be better to just leave the continuities as text, since it's clearer that way. -- [[User:HotAndCold|HotAndCold]] 22:56, 9 May 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, using the Armada logo for the whole Unicron Trilogy is the most glaring part to me. If only there was an official UT logo! It's a shame, cause I think it looks a lot better with the logos there. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:29, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
:::If anyone has any ideas on what logos to use in the continuities box, I'm all up for it. Maybe if someone wants to mock up custom graphics?
:::If we want things to be more generic, I could use [[:Image:TheTransformers Logo.jpg|this logo for Generation 1]], and we could create a logo with the "Beast Wars" edited out. UT is still tricky, though... even if we edit out the series name, it looks close to RID then. Meh.
:::We could always switch back to text, of course... just saying, if anyone has alternative ideas.
:::As for the Japanese series, that occurred to me as well, but I'd really like to switch to the logos in that section, and anyone who hovers over the logos does get the English series name in the link.
:::But if there happens to be any English logos for those series available, we could upload them and go with those. Alternatively, my first inclination was to remove those series altogether and just stick with the major major TF fiction, but I didn't want cries of being biased or anything. :P --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 07:19, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
::::I'm not sure what the continuities listing brings to the table that the series listing isn't already doing. I'd just give a link to the continuity family page and keep the full series list link. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:01, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Well, the continuity families have been part of our main page since pretty much forever, so if you want to remove them, that's a wider discussion than with just me, I'm afraid.
:::::(Though if I had to cast a vote, personally I prefer to keep them, as continuity families are important to our wiki's structure and yet not necessarily an intuitive concept to the new reader. Especially since the dedicated continuity family pages we link to are ''not'' directly analogous to the individual series.)
:::::But in any case, I tweaked them to be plain text links. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:56, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::It still seems to me that Continuity Family and Franchise are terms that should be covered in the series box. And throwing the names of the continuity families at the reader before the term is defined for them seems counter intuitive. But, as you said, some of my concerns go beyond what you are doing here. I generally like what you've done. If it goes through perhaps a discussion of my points could follow. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:27, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

:I like it conceptually, but I'd say the subheader bars inside each box will need to be a bit smaller.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:49, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
::Smaller in what sense? The font is the same size as the regular text, just bolded. I could shrink the font, though it'll be a little weird having the header smaller than the actual text... or did you mean less padding and/or deeper margins? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 07:19, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
:::In the sense that each bar is graphically more or less as prominent as the box they're a part of. They're the same height, the background is just as dark, etc. It ends up being visually pretty busy.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:08, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Ah, OK. I tried doing some tweaks to make them a bit smaller and lighter; is that more what you had in mind? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:56, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Definitely a step in the right direction. Looks good.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:09, 16 May 2010 (EDT)

== We need to fix the links for the WFC front page title images. ==
They're currently all directing to G1 characters. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:17, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

:I had noticed that, but was leery of possibly having the front page linking to red links, so I didn't fix it yet. Do we have all of the pages in question created? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:27, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

::We only have one of them as yet! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:48, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Easy - disable them. Better than misinforming people, no? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:55, 3 July 2010 (EDT)

::::So, how about it? I've forgotten where the template for that title image box is, or else I'd do it myself. We can reinstate them after we fix up the articles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:25, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::[[Main Page/logo]] is what feeds that. Go nuts!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:29, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::I redirect the un-created ''Prime'' pages to ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron]]'' for now. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 03:58, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::Thanks guys. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:30, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::Pftt, I should have thought of that. Thanks, TX55!
::::::::But yeah, get busy creating those pages so we can change the links back to the characters again. ;) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 08:49, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::You're welcome. I'm glad to help with it. :D --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:16, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

== Main Page Image Rotation ==

Since it's been a month and a half since BotCon 2010 took place, may I suggest that we remove the BotCon exclusive toy characters? - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 10:23, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
: It's been a month and a half since WFC was released! We should take down all of them! And then don't put any more up, because everything else is older than that. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:24, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
::Well, the fact the WFC guys are substantially more recognizable to 'casual' fans than the Botcon exclusives factors into it. I believe that was the reasoning for not including guys from G1, Beast Wars, etc. in the rotation. I really wouldn't mind seeing the odd character from various continuities get sorted in from time to time. Dinobot comes to mind, or Hot Shot who seems to have a psychotically devoted fanbase. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 14:33, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
:::I would argue that most of the WFC models are NOT more recognizable to "casual" fans, being kinda generic in many regards. Mind you, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to cycle in the "big names" from various past franchises. Or instead of a single character, do "mini-collages" of maybe three quasi-important characters from a side from some past series. Cheetor, Rattrap and Dinobot. Hot Rod, Kup and Blurr. Sky-Byte and his stooges. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:11, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
::::I'm sort of afraid of the logo becoming another Go-Box. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:56, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::I'd be in favour of having, say, a standard set of logo images which would cover the main franchises and would be used most of the time, and then for special events, like movies/BotCons/etc, temporarily swapping in appropriate characters. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:20, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
::::I meant that WFC was the current thing that would be making people seek out a Transformers Wiki, like how before WFC, they were primarily from the movies. I'd like more variety, but logic dictates a focus on the current 'big thing' in the media. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 21:20, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::I agree with both Abates and Cattleprod. As for the concern of the logo becoming another Go-Box, it already is, though I think it's only fair to have an article link with the image. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 10:24, 17 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::I second Zadok's point. I see the logo being for the "big draws" and the Go-box for the nifty obscure corners of the brand. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:58, 17 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I say go ahead and leave the G2 guys up until we see how relevant they are in the upcoming FunPub story arc. --[[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 15:37, 29 November 2010 (EST)

== Help... ==

I've noticed a few times that when I put my sig w/timestamp down, it signs my IP instead of my username. I've tried re-logging in, but it kicks me off as soon as I leave the log-in page. Anyone got any pointers?--[[Special:Contributions/67.142.174.26|67.142.174.26]] 00:06, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

I even tried creating a new username, and it still kicks me off whenever I leave the "log-in successful" page. What's going on?--[[Special:Contributions/67.142.174.24|67.142.174.24]] 12:57, 14 November 2010 (EST)
:Which browser are you using? Check to make sure you don't have cookies disabled for this site, and that the cookies are being created when you log in. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 13:45, 14 November 2010 (EST)

I appreciate the reply. Now, bear with, me I'm somewhat technologicaly impaired. What are cookies and how do I turn them on?-Megatron Prime

:That depends on which browser you're using. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:37, 15 November 2010 (EST)

uh...the big blue E. Internet Explorer. I think. Does that count or is it not a browser?-Megatron Prime
:OK, go into your PC's control panel, open up the "Internet Options" icon, and look on the "Privacy" tab. There should be a slider at the top, that should be set to "Medium". Next click on the "Advanced" button immediately below it, and make sure that the "override cookie handling" tickbox isn't ticked. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:58, 15 November 2010 (EST)

No, that didn't work.-Megatron Prime
:Sounds like those are set right anyway. In your internet options, in the "General" tab, there's a "Browsing history" section. If you click "Settings" in that bit, you'll get another window titled "Temporary Internet Files and History Settings". There should be a "View Files" button there, which will give you a list of files. Look for one called "cookie:something@tfwiki.net", and look to the right and see what it has in the "Expires" column. You may need to doublecheck that the date and time on your computer are set correctly, because the login cookies are set to expire after a month. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:36, 17 November 2010 (EST)

No "cookies" anywhere in that list. Is there a way to fix that here?
P.S. I really appreciate the help. Sorry it's a hastle-Megatron Prime--[[Special:Contributions/67.142.174.22|67.142.174.22]] 00:02, 18 November 2010 (EST)
:No cookies at all? Hmm, are you running a firewall? The only other thing I can think of is that your firewall is stripping the cookies out, which would be a silly thing to do. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:33, 18 November 2010 (EST)
I find its best to activate the "remember my login on this computer" wotsit([[User:Manmcmanman|Manmcmanman]] 06:24, 18 February 2011 (EST))

== WFC in sidebar ==
How much longer is that going to stay there? The game came out nearly 5 months ago and there is no more news about it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:51, 17 November 2010 (EST)
:It may continue to get DLC. Some games get DLC well over a year after their release. --[[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 06:00, 29 November 2010 (EST)
::Plus, there's the fairly recent announcement of the game getting a sequel. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:57, 29 November 2010 (EST)

==Schedule==
Can somebody please remove the 11-20 entry? It has been 2 whole days since it should have been taken off.--oap(I don't actually have an account,it's just that I need something to signify who I am.)
:Geez, dude, it's not that big of a deal. Particularly with weekends it is sometimes nice to see what you may have missed in the last few days. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:31, 22 November 2010 (EST)
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Nokia-bot

2011-02-18T11:17:01Z

Manmcmanman: /* Transformers (2007) film */

{{noname-designation}}

:''Nokia-bot is a [[Allspark Mutation|freaky little critter]] from the [[Movie (franchise)|2007 movie franchise]] in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:NokiaBot-art.jpg|right|300px|thumb|And you thought cell phones giving you cancer was bad...]]
'''Nokia-bot''' is a Nokia N93i cell phone formerly owned by [[Glen Whitmann]] and transformed into a [[Transformer]] by the power of the [[AllSpark (Movie)|All Spark]]. It's a rather violent and hysterical creature, armed with several weapons.

{{quote|It's like the itty-bitty Energizer Bunny from Hell, huh?|Agent Simmons|''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]''}}

==Fiction==
===''Transformers'' (2007) film===
[[Image:Nokia robot.JPG|left|250px|thumb|Decapodian mating frenzy!!!]]
When asked about the All Spark's energy, Agents [[Seymour Simmons|Simmons]] and [[Tom Banachek|Banachek]] took their visitors to a locked room within [[Sector Seven]] [[Hoover Dam|headquarters]]. Simmons borrows Glen's Nokia phone and places it inside a protective glass box, commenting how Nokias are particularly nasty, owing to their Japanese origins. ([[Maggie Madsen]] remarked to [[John Keller]] that Nokias are actually Finnish in origin. Keller quietly replied that Simmons was "a little strange".)

Simmons then demonstrated the power of the All Spark by giving life to the Nokia. Transforming into a spidery robot mode, the Nokia robot went crazy and started attempting to escape its glass prison by firing tiny missiles and shooting bullets, as well as slamming itself repeatedly into the glass. When it looked like the creature might break out of the case, Simmons had it blasted with an energy pulse, killing it.

Simmons seemed to really enjoy the whole thing. He's very odd. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}}

==Notes==
* In the original script, the Nokia phone was an iPod owned by Glen. It acted in the same way as the phone, and played [[Wikipedia:Suicidal Tendencies|Suicidal Tendencies]]' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c-G2o67RoU "Master of No Mercy"]. [[Michael Bay]] explained on his DVD audio commentary that Apple refused to license the iPod for use as a psychotic robot that is quickly murdered.
* The burned-out husk of the dead Nokia is actually a physical prop, made from a bunch of spare [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]] fingers all smoked and burned with a few fake Nokia bits thrown in. Considering that it's as crazy as Frenzy, that seems right, for some reason.
* The designation "Nokia-bot" comes from the [http://benprocter.com/SITEv2/HTML/ZOOM_Trans/ZOOM_62.html character design].

[[Category:Allspark Mutations]]
[[Category:Movie Transformers]]
[[Category:Live-action-only characters]]

Scorponok (BW)

2011-02-18T11:11:17Z

Manmcmanman: /* Beast Wars cartoon */

{{factions|predacon}}
{{disambig3|Scorponok}}

:''Scorponok is a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] from the [[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[Image:BWScorponokSticker.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Transforms into a scorpion. Surprise?]]
'''Scorponok'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s personality seems to have two main features: He's dumb, and he's loyal to [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] (surprisingly so, considering Megatron's [[Terrorsaur (BW)|other]] [[Tarantulas (BW)|crew]] [[Blackarachnia (BW)|members]]), and of those two features, only the loyalty seems to be consistent. He tries to serve Megatron to the best of his abilities, but when [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] is able to outwit you, there's only so much you have to offer.

Scorponok begins as Megatron's [[second-in-command]] on the ''[[Darksyde]]'', though he is insecure about the title and constantly tries to assert himself among the other Predacons who, aware of his shortcomings, generally dismiss or ignore him.

Scorponok's only other real contribution to Megatron's cause is in developing cyber-viruses that he delivers with his [[Cyberbee|cyberbee drone]]. (This is impressive, actually, given his otherwise limited mentality.) However, these generally don't work out as he hoped, and so they've done little to increase his standing in the eyes of the other Predacons.

:''Japanese name'': '''Scorpos'''
:''French-Canadian name'': '''Scorpinor'''
:''Italian name'': '''Scorpionok'''
:''Polish name'': '''Skorpinor'''
:''Latin American name'': '''Skorpicon'''

==Fiction==
===First wave toy bios===
Inhabiting the [[Mojave Desert]], Scorponok is suited to the harsh conditions of this arid environment. Described as vicious, this desert attack specialist relies mainly on surprise attacks to overcome his foes. For this task, he possesses three alternatives: launching a robotic bee stored in one claw, his 2-shot missile blast stored in the other; his terrifying tail, which deals poisonous cyber-strikes. {{storylink|Scorponok (BW)#Toys|Scorponok bio}}

{{note|The on-package [[Bio|bios]] of the first wave of Beast Wars toys, predate the development of the ''Beast Wars'' cartoon and its backstory. They seem to present the characters as a direct continuation of the previous Autobot/Decepticon conflict, with Optimus Primal actually being a new form of Optimus Prime and Megatron being his Generation 1 counterpart, and their battles taking place on present day, [[human]]-inhabited Earth, rather than in the distant past. Once the cartoon launched, the toyline adjusted itself to match that continuity instead, relegating this one to an aborted [[micro-continuity]].}}

===Cartoon continuity===
====Fun Publications ''Beast Wars'' fiction====
=====Theft of the Golden Disk=====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Brad Venable]] (English)

The Predacon that would be called Scorponok and [[Backslash]] were part of a mission to steal the sacred [[Maximal]] relic, the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]], on behalf of [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]]; in actual fact, "Scorponok" was loyal to [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] and in on his plan to take the disk for himself. He was meant to bomb [[Maximal Power Station B4-Y]] to aid Megatron and [[Dinobot (BW)|his partner]]'s attack; he was almost caught by a guard but Backslash saved him, berating him for being sloppy. Later on, when Backslash was caught by a guard, "Scorponok" laughed, mockingly referencing what Backslash said early and happily triggered the bombs, killing his alleged comrade. Nice guy. {{storylink|Theft of the Golden Disk}}

=====Dawn of Future's Past=====
[[Image:Scorponokbwdawn.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Looking at him, he was probably called "Scorponok" before the Beast Wars, too.]]
With the Disk in their hands, the thieves were picked up by their other comrades in a stolen ship, newly christened the ''Darksyde''. Soon after leaving Cybertron, the ''Darksyde'' was involved in a space battle with the Maximal vessels ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'' and ''[[Chromia 10]]'' and an unidentified Predacon ship. At its conclusion, only the ''Axalon'' and the ''Darksyde'' survived, and both ships passed through a [[transwarp]] portal to an unknown destination. {{storylink|Dawn of Future's Past}}
{{--}}

====''Beast Wars'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Don Brown]] (English), [[Masashi Endō]] (Japanese), [[Bernard Métraux]] (French), [[Sidney Lilla]] (Portuguese), [[Antonio Paiola]] (Italian), [[Mario Grete]] (German), [[Brando Miranda]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Enrique Cazorla]] (Castilian Spanish)

[[Image:BeastWars1 Scorponok battleready.jpg|thumb|left|280px|OUR MISSILES!]]
Crash-landing on an unknown planet, Scorponok and his peers were forced to take on organic beast modes to shield themselves from the planet's dangerous levels of raw [[Energon (fuel)|energon]]. Scorponok took a scorpion as his new alternate mode. When Dinobot furiously berated Megatron for foolishly marooning them on the wrong planet and attempted to attack his leader, Scorponok stood behind Megatron and waited for his cue to fire on Dinobot, sending the traitor far into the distance. Later, Scorponok participated in the first battle between the Maximal and Predacon factions and managed to trap [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor's]] leg under a boulder. However, the Predacons soon succumbed to energon overload. {{storylink|Beast Wars (Part 1)}}

After recovering in beast mode, Scorponok and the lower-ranking Predacons were wagering who would win the battle between [[Optimus Primal]] and Dinobot until Megatron ordered them to fire on the unwitting combatants. After their shots failed to destroy the Maximals but instead revealed a massive energon cache buried inside a mountain, the Predacons moved out, followed by the Maximals. The two parties confronted each other at the energon cache, and Scorponok fought Dinobot in the one-on-one clashes that ensued. {{storylink|Beast Wars (Part 2)}}

[[Image:TheWeb Scorponok beastmode.jpg|right|220px|thumb|[http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/Vorox Beware my stinger tail!]]]
While Scorponok was later salvaging a mega-cannon, he was surprised by Cheetor. Luckily [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] distracted the Maximal, giving Scorponok time to hit Cheetor with a missile. Despite asserting that he was second in command and should be giving the orders, Scorponok took Tarantulas's suggestion to scarper before Optimus Primal arrived. He subsequently installed the cannon as part of the perimeter defences for the Predacon base, aided by [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] and [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]]. {{storylink|The Web}} Scorponok found himself hunting Cheetor again, when the cat somehow teleported into the Predacon base. Cheetor escaped into the ducts, so Scorponok sent a missile in after him, unsuccessfully. A short time later, they found Cheetor messing with the Predacon computer, so Scorponok fired another missile at him, only for it to end up slagging himself and Waspinator. {{storylink|Equal Measures}}

[[Image:ChainofCommand Scorponok fail.jpg|left|200px|my heads an ostriches arse]]
Scorponok took part in a battle at the [[Standing Stones]], and ended up face-down in the dirt after Cheetor shot him. After Primal went missing, blasted by an [[Vok probe|alien probe]], Megatron sent Scorponok and Waspinator to guard the Standing Stones. As it turned out, Primal wasn't dead, and after he was released from the probe, he blasted all of the Predacons. {{storylink|Chain of Command}} When Terrorsaur mounted a leadership bid and badly damaged Megatron, Scorponok simply had his leader repaired the ''instant'' Terrorsaur wasn't looking. {{storylink|Power Surge}}

After a [[stasis pod]] crashed, Megatron took Scorponok and Tarantulas to attack the Maximal base. While the Predacon leader provided a diversion, the two other Predacons sneaked up on Dinobot, knocking him out. Unfortunately for them, Dinobot had time to activate the ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> autoguns, and first Tarantulas, then Scorponok were blasted off the ship. {{storylink|Fallen Comrades}} Scorponok was part of an ambush, enabling the Predacons to steal another stasis pod and bring [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] online. Terrorsaur would later mount another bid to become leader, with [[Rattrap]]'s help, but Scorponok announced loudly and at length that his loyalty belonged to Megatron and he would never follow Terrorsaur. As it turned out, Megatron allowed Terrorsaur temporary leadership, so Scorponok appeared to be happy to follow the new leader's commands, at least until it was proved in battle that Terrorsaur was incompetent as a leader. {{storylink|Double Jeopardy}}

Megatron tasked Scorponok with a mission to create a virus for his [[cyberbee]] that would turn Optimus Primal into a coward. Ambushing the Maximal leader and Dinobot as they were on a botanical study near a waterfall, Scorponok managed to have his cyberbee latch onto Optimus when he attempted to help the traitor. Unfortunately, Optimus Primal fired off a shot before going down, dislodging the log Scorponok was sitting upon and sending him over the edge of the waterfall. To greater misfortune, Scorponok had botched the virus, turning Optimus Primal not into a coward, but a fearless, ultra-aggressive berserker. Both Scorponok and Megatron were blown up with the cyberbee when Primal ripped it off and chucked it at Megatron's back. {{storylink|Gorilla Warfare}}

[[Image:TheProbe Scorponok minus claw.jpg|thumb|right|250px|He told me enough. He told me you killed him.]]
Scorponok spotted the Maximals building a communications array, and gave a video of it to Terrorsaur to take back to Megatron. After word came through that the array was to be destroyed, he confronted the Maximals. Primal intercepted his missiles, Rattrap blew his claw off, and then Dinobot blasted him into the distance. {{storylink|The Probe}} He was later (improbably) one of the Predacons who staged a revolt against Megatron. That should have been the Maximal's first clue it was only a mock revolt, as once they'd made the ''Axalon'' space-worthy, the Predacons emerged from hiding and attempted to take their ship. Though he was hit by the ship's cannons during a charge, Scorponok was still able to fire a missile which knocked Primal from the entry lift. {{storylink|Victory (episode)|Victory}}

[[Image:DarkDesigns Scorponok squished.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Yet another day Scorponok would rather forget.]]
After [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] was converted into a Predacon by Megatron's [[Transmuter (BW)|Transmuter]], Scorponok found himself assigned to repair the base computer. Unaware that the computer had actually been sabotaged by Rhinox, he was surprised and shocked when the ex-Maximal dropped a pile of heavy crates on him. A spell in a Predacon restoration pool left him ready to extract some revenge, but Rhinox deftly deflected his rage onto Terrorsaur, and the pair had their heads slammed together by Rhinox. Despite all this, he was able to take part in the inevitable fight with the Maximals, during which he was able to take some of his anger out on Dinobot. He ultimately lost the fight and was at ground zero when the Transmuter exploded. {{storylink|Dark Designs (episode)|Dark Designs}}

Scorponok acted as a lab assistant to Megatron, as his leader created a [[Clone One|clone of Dinobot]]. He was a teeny bit skeptical at the result. {{storylink|Double Dinobot}} When another stasis pod crashed, Megatron dispatched [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] and Scorponok to retrieve it. Blackarachnia was disgusted by Scorponok's subservient attitude, and on their way to the pod, she ditched him. Scorponok almost immediately ran into [[Tigatron]], who ended his quest by freezing him. {{storylink|The Spark}}

Scorponok was again teamed with Blackarachnia when Terrorsaur and Waspinator found a [[Brigadoon|weird flying island]]. After they reached the island, Scorponok used a cyberbee to check the place out, but it was intercepted by Tigatron. {{storylink|The Trigger, Part 1}} The two Predacons reached the obelisk at the center of the island and blasted their way in. When Blackarachnia announced the island's power would allow her to defeat even Megatron, Scorponok revealed that he had been sent with her to make sure that didn't happen. Of course, she promptly tricked him into triggering one of the island's many traps, and he fell through the hole that opened up to the ground below. {{storylink|The Trigger, Part 2}}

[[Image:Spider's Game Scorponok Inferno.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Looks like someone gave Scorponok...]]
On another occasion, Scorponok was on lookout when he spotted Tarantulas being "chased" by a stasis pod. Megatron ordered he obtain take the stasis pod back to base, so he confronted Tarantulas... only for the pod to blow up, knocking him into some boulders, where a falling rock rendered him unconscious. By the time he recovered, the fight was over, and Megatron ordered him to gather up [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] for repair. {{storylink|Spider's Game}} He took part in a diversionary attack on the ''Axalon'', while Waspinator and Terrorsaur stole the ship's [[rectifier coil]]. Later, once the Maximals had gone feral, he participated on the hunt by carrying Megatron's chair, but was taken down by Cheetor once the Maximals overcame their beast instincts. {{storylink|Call of the Wild}}

In one of his rare successes, Scorponok triggered an energon explosion, apparently taking out a group of Maximals. In reality, he'd simply blinded them, but he didn't find this out until after he'd reported back to Megatron. {{storylink|Dark Voyage}} After [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], possessing the body of Waspinator, helped the Predacons take over the ''Axalon'', Megatron left the [[Decepticon]] in charge of the Maximal base with Scorponok and Blackarachnia as underlings. When the inevitable betrayal occurred, Scorponok put up a token resistance before Starscream blasted him off the side of the ship. {{storylink|Possession}}

[[Image:OtherVoices1 Scorponok and Megatron pose.jpg|left|250px|thumb|So we shall flow a river forth to Thee and teeming with souls shall it ever be. In Nomeni Patri Et Fili Spiritus Sancti]]
Scorponok was among the Predacons who were taken out by Rhinox's almighty fart. {{storylink|The Low Road}} After Megatron declared a truce, and Tigatron infiltrated the Predacon base in search of information, Scorponok and Terrorsaur attempted to stop the Maximal from escaping, and ended up colliding spectacularly. Luckily for Scorponok, he didn't have to pursue Tigatron, as the Predacons who did mostly came back on stretchers. {{storylink|Before the Storm}} Scorponok later accompanied Megatron on a mission to an alien construct which had appeared. His toxic sting was instrumental in breaching the construct's wall, allowing Rattrap to get inside and retrieve [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]]. Of course, a short time later, Rattrap used one of Scorponok's missiles to dispose of Megatron, shortly before Scorponok himself was blasted by Airazor. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 1}}

[[Image:BW Scorponok Terrorsaur deaths.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Oh, the... robotity?]]
Back at base, Scorponok and the other Predacons monitored the situation with the [[Planet Buster]] which had been revealed high above the planet. Though Scorponok was confident that Megatron would save them, his leader announced that he had someone else in mind to do that. As it turned out, Optimus Primal was the one who piloted a modified stasis pod and blew up the Planet Buster. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 2}} Scorponok celebrated with his fellow Predacons, but the destruction of the alien weapon had other consequences. A [[quantum surge]] flooded through the base, beginning to mutate their bodies into [[Transmetal]]s. However both Scorponok and Terrorsaur lost control of their hover platforms, crashing into each other and tumbling into the lava beneath the Predacon base, where they perished. No one much noticed, though Blackarachnia pointed out that only Waspinator was present with Megatron when the Predacons arrived at the ''Axalon'' (only to keep herself from getting blasted). {{storylink|Aftermath}}
{{--}}

====IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics====
[[Image:Transmetalscorponok.jpg|right|thumb|200px|You'd look angry too if you had heat burns all over you.]]
However, Scorponok and Terrorsaur were not actually dead—they were just in stasis lock. They awakened after the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] ended, finding themselves in Transmetal bodies. Scorponok got shafted, though-his new body didn't have a third vehicle mode like everyone else's. He had hover-fans with which he could [[Flight|fly]], though, so that's likely a decent thing. {{storylink|Beast Wars Sourcebook}}
{{-}}

==Games==
===''Beast Wars: Transformers'' video game===
{{note|This game takes place in an alternate version of the first season of the [[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]] cartoon.}}
{{Note|Scorponok is a playable character in the Predacon mode of this game for normal gameplay.}}
Scorponok is reported to be mining energon in a desert area, causing damage to the environment. A lone Maximal investigates, only to be confronted with an onslaught of defenses; automated weapons protecting the arid area include immobile autoguns, automated weapons that arise from the sands to pester the hero with volleys of lasers and blasts, in addition to an array of flying machines and devices that relentlessly open fire on sight on any Maximal that trespasses in Scorponok's territory. Additionally, the area is populated by ravenous beasts, including what appears to be velociraptors! But of all the obstacles to be faced, the most incredible appear to be an automated weapon that FIRES ravenous beasts! Turrets mounted on hillsides dispense snakes to antagonize Maximals who approach it. If all of this wasn't enough, the large amount of energon deposits throughout the area force the lone warrior to revert to beast mode oftentimes. After the Maximal traverses the desert, Scorponok is revealed to be in command of his own personal base! Thus the confrontation between Maximal and Predacon begins: the bout starts with Scorponok standing outside his base, protected by a shield and two autoguns (he'd been saving up for his own little place in the wasteland, obviously), on the opposite side of a canyon from the Maximal. Whilst the autoguns fire, Scorponok also unleashes volleys of his personal arsenal. Once the guns are destroyed, the whole shield program shuts down. Scorponok then begins strafing and firing, but after a few more hits, falls into the canyon. Nonetheless, this is not the end of Scorponok! The Maximal must now confront Scorponok in a close-quarter combat, by following his enemy into the canyon. After a few more blasts, Scorponok collapses (and presumably the Maximal loots his base). {{storylink|Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)|Beast Wars: Transformers}}

{{Note|Due to the nature of this game, a player may select various individual characters to perform the feats required in every level, and complete the game's narrative. Thus, any playable Maximal can fill the role of protagonist in Maximal Mode, and any playable Predacon can fill the role of protagonist in Predacon Mode. As such, each character's page only lists said character's actions when they fill the role of antagonist during gameplay. To view the various feats Scorponok can accomplish throughout gameplay in Predacon Mode, it is told on the pages of the [[Optimus Primal|several]] [[Cheetor (BW)|Maximals]] [[Rattrap|included]] [[Dinobot (BW)|as]] [[Rhinox (BW)|opponents]] in this game, as well as the game's main antagonists, the [[Skriix]], wherein Scorponok fills the role of the nameless Predacon. To view the plot as a whole view the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)]] page.}}

===''Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle'' video game===
Megatron was capable of summoning Scorponok forth to the battlefield in his attempts to acquire the super-powerful [[energon crystal]]. {{storylink|Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle}}

==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
[[Image:BWtoy-ScorponokMega.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Admit it, you bought this for the bee.]]
* '''Scorponok''' (Mega, 1996/1997)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''D-2'''
**''Accessories'': Cyberbee drone, 2 missiles

:Scorponok transforms into a fairly organic but highly inaccurate black scorpion. The right pincer contains a small, spring-loaded [[Cyberbee|bee drone]]-type gimmick which can be launched, while his left pincer has a spring-loaded double missile launcher activated by pulling the top part of his claw open far enough to trigger the launcher. His tail also has a spring-loaded "stinging" action activated by pushing forward on a lever halfway up the scorpion tail. All three [[gimmick]]s are available in both modes.

:As one of the first toys released in the [[Beast Wars (toyline)|''Beast Wars'' line]], he features a "[[mutant head]]" gimmick; the halves of his mutant mask clamshell over his robot face from the sides.

: In Japan, Scorponok was initially released without notable changes from the [[Hasbro]] version. Come 1997, he and most of the rest of the show-cast toys were [[redeco]]ed to be more "show-accurate", with wildly varying degrees of success. Scorponok's black plastic was replaced with a charcoal gray, and the connecting red pieces were colored a lighter shade, almost orange.

:One should take care not to stress the pin that holds the cyber bee in his claw, it's fairly frail.

: This mold was later used to make [[Sandstorm (BW)|Sandstorm]] and [[Double Punch]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Predacon/Scorponok/scorponok.htm More information on Scorponok at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:VS2-PolarClawScorponok.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"North Pole Showdown"? Good luck, Scorp.]]
*'''North Pole Showdown: Whiteclaw VS Scorpos''' (Vs set, 1996)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''VS-2'''
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles

: In Japan, Scorponok was available both as an individual and in a two-pack with [[Polar Claw]]. Both toys are identical to their individual releases. It is unknown if the set ever came with the [[Redeco|redecoed]] "show-like" version of Scorponok.

: Amusingly, both toys are packaged in beast mode with their smaller partners deployed, making it look like the fight isn't going so well for Polar Claw.

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[[Image:BW-toy ScorponokMcD.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Oo oo. C'mon party people. Oo oo. Put your claws in the air.]]
* '''Scorponok''' (Happy Meal premium, 1998)

: Since Scorponok got killed off in order to introduce [[To sell toys|new prod—er, ''characters'']], he was granted a "[[Transmetal]]" toy as part of the second [[McDonald's]] ''Beast Wars'' Happy Meal promotion. He transforms like every other Scorponok, except his shoulders can't go lower than a few degrees from pointing up, meaning all he can do is "raise the roof." It's cast mostly in gauche magenta and "metallic" gold soft-plastics to prevent little kiddies from breaking it. Like the other McDonald's Transmetals, he lacks a third "vehicle" mode.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Predacon/Scorponok/scorponok.htm More information on McDonald's Scorponok at TFU.info]''
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==Merchandise==
[[Image:Scorponokmutatingcard.jpg|thumb|300px|right]]
* '''Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game''' (1997)
:Scorponok was one of the 24 beast warriors to receive a battle card representation for the Beast Wars [[Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game|card game]].
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*'''Beast Wars Movie Coin''' (1997)
:Released only in Japan, Scorponok was one of three characters from Beast Wars to receive a movie coin, the other two being Rattrap and Rhinox.
::*''[http://www.tfmuseum.com/tf-02273.html Scorponok Movie Coin at TFMuseum.com]''
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==Notes==
[[Image:ToyFair96ScorpGriz.jpg|right|180px|thumb|The most effective stealth ever.]]
* Scorponok was first advertised on the back of the [[Optimus Primal]] versus [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] two-pack at the start of the ''Beast Wars'' line with a completely different color scheme. The toy itself was cast completely in transparent orange and blue plastic, which would have made it remarkably fragile at the joints. Another version cast in pink translucent plastic and having the final claw coloration surfaced in 2006, although this could likely be explained by the random plastics used in [[Prototype|test shots]].
** Some early animation test shots included on [[Madman Entertainment|Madman Entertainment's]] Beast Wars Season 2 DVD release show Scorponok in his orange and blue color scheme.

*Scorponok's CGI animation model had an unusual tendency to switch from having yellow-colored optics to red-colored optics at random—sometimes within the same scene of a given episode. Most of the time he had yellow, though.

* Scorponok's pre-Beast form in "[[Theft of the Golden Disk]]" is a [[redeco]] of ''[[Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Shortround]], but in "[[Dawn of Future's Past]]" he is based on [[Scorponok (Energon)|''Energon'' Scorponok]], even though the latter story is set immediately after the former, with no real opportunity for him to change bodies in between.

* In the first few episodes, Scorponok's missiles had Maximal [[Insignia|faction symbols]] on them, a Cybertronian equivalent to carving the name of your next victim on your bullets. Many viewers failed to pick up on this symbolism, though, and they were promptly replaced with Predacon faction symbols to avoid confusion.

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Scorponok (BW)

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:''Scorponok is a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] from the [[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[Image:BWScorponokSticker.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Transforms into a scorpion. Surprise?]]
'''Scorponok'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s personality seems to have two main features: He's dumb, and he's loyal to [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] (surprisingly so, considering Megatron's [[Terrorsaur (BW)|other]] [[Tarantulas (BW)|crew]] [[Blackarachnia (BW)|members]]), and of those two features, only the loyalty seems to be consistent. He tries to serve Megatron to the best of his abilities, but when [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] is able to outwit you, there's only so much you have to offer.

Scorponok begins as Megatron's [[second-in-command]] on the ''[[Darksyde]]'', though he is insecure about the title and constantly tries to assert himself among the other Predacons who, aware of his shortcomings, generally dismiss or ignore him.

Scorponok's only other real contribution to Megatron's cause is in developing cyber-viruses that he delivers with his [[Cyberbee|cyberbee drone]]. (This is impressive, actually, given his otherwise limited mentality.) However, these generally don't work out as he hoped, and so they've done little to increase his standing in the eyes of the other Predacons.

:''Japanese name'': '''Scorpos'''
:''French-Canadian name'': '''Scorpinor'''
:''Italian name'': '''Scorpionok'''
:''Polish name'': '''Skorpinor'''
:''Latin American name'': '''Skorpicon'''

==Fiction==
===First wave toy bios===
Inhabiting the [[Mojave Desert]], Scorponok is suited to the harsh conditions of this arid environment. Described as vicious, this desert attack specialist relies mainly on surprise attacks to overcome his foes. For this task, he possesses three alternatives: launching a robotic bee stored in one claw, his 2-shot missile blast stored in the other; his terrifying tail, which deals poisonous cyber-strikes. {{storylink|Scorponok (BW)#Toys|Scorponok bio}}

{{note|The on-package [[Bio|bios]] of the first wave of Beast Wars toys, predate the development of the ''Beast Wars'' cartoon and its backstory. They seem to present the characters as a direct continuation of the previous Autobot/Decepticon conflict, with Optimus Primal actually being a new form of Optimus Prime and Megatron being his Generation 1 counterpart, and their battles taking place on present day, [[human]]-inhabited Earth, rather than in the distant past. Once the cartoon launched, the toyline adjusted itself to match that continuity instead, relegating this one to an aborted [[micro-continuity]].}}

===Cartoon continuity===
====Fun Publications ''Beast Wars'' fiction====
=====Theft of the Golden Disk=====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Brad Venable]] (English)

The Predacon that would be called Scorponok and [[Backslash]] were part of a mission to steal the sacred [[Maximal]] relic, the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]], on behalf of [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]]; in actual fact, "Scorponok" was loyal to [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] and in on his plan to take the disk for himself. He was meant to bomb [[Maximal Power Station B4-Y]] to aid Megatron and [[Dinobot (BW)|his partner]]'s attack; he was almost caught by a guard but Backslash saved him, berating him for being sloppy. Later on, when Backslash was caught by a guard, "Scorponok" laughed, mockingly referencing what Backslash said early and happily triggered the bombs, killing his alleged comrade. Nice guy. {{storylink|Theft of the Golden Disk}}

=====Dawn of Future's Past=====
[[Image:Scorponokbwdawn.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Looking at him, he was probably called "Scorponok" before the Beast Wars, too.]]
With the Disk in their hands, the thieves were picked up by their other comrades in a stolen ship, newly christened the ''Darksyde''. Soon after leaving Cybertron, the ''Darksyde'' was involved in a space battle with the Maximal vessels ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'' and ''[[Chromia 10]]'' and an unidentified Predacon ship. At its conclusion, only the ''Axalon'' and the ''Darksyde'' survived, and both ships passed through a [[transwarp]] portal to an unknown destination. {{storylink|Dawn of Future's Past}}
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====''Beast Wars'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Don Brown]] (English), [[Masashi Endō]] (Japanese), [[Bernard Métraux]] (French), [[Sidney Lilla]] (Portuguese), [[Antonio Paiola]] (Italian), [[Mario Grete]] (German), [[Brando Miranda]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Enrique Cazorla]] (Castilian Spanish)

[[Image:BeastWars1 Scorponok battleready.jpg|thumb|left|280px|OUR MISSILES!]]
Crash-landing on an unknown planet, Scorponok and his peers were forced to take on organic beast modes to shield themselves from the planet's dangerous levels of raw [[Energon (fuel)|energon]]. Scorponok took a scorpion as his new alternate mode. When Dinobot furiously berated Megatron for foolishly marooning them on the wrong planet and attempted to attack his leader, Scorponok stood behind Megatron and waited for his cue to fire on Dinobot, sending the traitor far into the distance. Later, Scorponok participated in the first battle between the Maximal and Predacon factions and managed to trap [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor's]] leg under a boulder. However, the Predacons soon succumbed to energon overload. {{storylink|Beast Wars (Part 1)}}

After recovering in beast mode, Scorponok and the lower-ranking Predacons were wagering who would win the battle between [[Optimus Primal]] and Dinobot until Megatron ordered them to fire on the unwitting combatants. After their shots failed to destroy the Maximals but instead revealed a massive energon cache buried inside a mountain, the Predacons moved out, followed by the Maximals. The two parties confronted each other at the energon cache, and Scorponok fought Dinobot in the one-on-one clashes that ensued. {{storylink|Beast Wars (Part 2)}}

[[Image:TheWeb Scorponok beastmode.jpg|right|220px|thumb|[http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/Vorox Beware my stinger tail!]]]
While Scorponok was later salvaging a mega-cannon, he was surprised by Cheetor. Luckily [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] distracted the Maximal, giving Scorponok time to hit Cheetor with a missile. Despite asserting that he was second in command and should be giving the orders, Scorponok took Tarantulas's suggestion to scarper before Optimus Primal arrived. He subsequently installed the cannon as part of the perimeter defences for the Predacon base, aided by [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] and [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]]. {{storylink|The Web}} Scorponok found himself hunting Cheetor again, when the cat somehow teleported into the Predacon base. Cheetor escaped into the ducts, so Scorponok sent a missile in after him, unsuccessfully. A short time later, they found Cheetor messing with the Predacon computer, so Scorponok fired another missile at him, only for it to end up slagging himself and Waspinator. {{storylink|Equal Measures}}

[[Image:ChainofCommand Scorponok fail.jpg|left|200px|thumb my heads an ostriches arse]]
Scorponok took part in a battle at the [[Standing Stones]], and ended up face-down in the dirt after Cheetor shot him. After Primal went missing, blasted by an [[Vok probe|alien probe]], Megatron sent Scorponok and Waspinator to guard the Standing Stones. As it turned out, Primal wasn't dead, and after he was released from the probe, he blasted all of the Predacons. {{storylink|Chain of Command}} When Terrorsaur mounted a leadership bid and badly damaged Megatron, Scorponok simply had his leader repaired the ''instant'' Terrorsaur wasn't looking. {{storylink|Power Surge}}

After a [[stasis pod]] crashed, Megatron took Scorponok and Tarantulas to attack the Maximal base. While the Predacon leader provided a diversion, the two other Predacons sneaked up on Dinobot, knocking him out. Unfortunately for them, Dinobot had time to activate the ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> autoguns, and first Tarantulas, then Scorponok were blasted off the ship. {{storylink|Fallen Comrades}} Scorponok was part of an ambush, enabling the Predacons to steal another stasis pod and bring [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] online. Terrorsaur would later mount another bid to become leader, with [[Rattrap]]'s help, but Scorponok announced loudly and at length that his loyalty belonged to Megatron and he would never follow Terrorsaur. As it turned out, Megatron allowed Terrorsaur temporary leadership, so Scorponok appeared to be happy to follow the new leader's commands, at least until it was proved in battle that Terrorsaur was incompetent as a leader. {{storylink|Double Jeopardy}}

Megatron tasked Scorponok with a mission to create a virus for his [[cyberbee]] that would turn Optimus Primal into a coward. Ambushing the Maximal leader and Dinobot as they were on a botanical study near a waterfall, Scorponok managed to have his cyberbee latch onto Optimus when he attempted to help the traitor. Unfortunately, Optimus Primal fired off a shot before going down, dislodging the log Scorponok was sitting upon and sending him over the edge of the waterfall. To greater misfortune, Scorponok had botched the virus, turning Optimus Primal not into a coward, but a fearless, ultra-aggressive berserker. Both Scorponok and Megatron were blown up with the cyberbee when Primal ripped it off and chucked it at Megatron's back. {{storylink|Gorilla Warfare}}

[[Image:TheProbe Scorponok minus claw.jpg|thumb|right|250px|He told me enough. He told me you killed him.]]
Scorponok spotted the Maximals building a communications array, and gave a video of it to Terrorsaur to take back to Megatron. After word came through that the array was to be destroyed, he confronted the Maximals. Primal intercepted his missiles, Rattrap blew his claw off, and then Dinobot blasted him into the distance. {{storylink|The Probe}} He was later (improbably) one of the Predacons who staged a revolt against Megatron. That should have been the Maximal's first clue it was only a mock revolt, as once they'd made the ''Axalon'' space-worthy, the Predacons emerged from hiding and attempted to take their ship. Though he was hit by the ship's cannons during a charge, Scorponok was still able to fire a missile which knocked Primal from the entry lift. {{storylink|Victory (episode)|Victory}}

[[Image:DarkDesigns Scorponok squished.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Yet another day Scorponok would rather forget.]]
After [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] was converted into a Predacon by Megatron's [[Transmuter (BW)|Transmuter]], Scorponok found himself assigned to repair the base computer. Unaware that the computer had actually been sabotaged by Rhinox, he was surprised and shocked when the ex-Maximal dropped a pile of heavy crates on him. A spell in a Predacon restoration pool left him ready to extract some revenge, but Rhinox deftly deflected his rage onto Terrorsaur, and the pair had their heads slammed together by Rhinox. Despite all this, he was able to take part in the inevitable fight with the Maximals, during which he was able to take some of his anger out on Dinobot. He ultimately lost the fight and was at ground zero when the Transmuter exploded. {{storylink|Dark Designs (episode)|Dark Designs}}

Scorponok acted as a lab assistant to Megatron, as his leader created a [[Clone One|clone of Dinobot]]. He was a teeny bit skeptical at the result. {{storylink|Double Dinobot}} When another stasis pod crashed, Megatron dispatched [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] and Scorponok to retrieve it. Blackarachnia was disgusted by Scorponok's subservient attitude, and on their way to the pod, she ditched him. Scorponok almost immediately ran into [[Tigatron]], who ended his quest by freezing him. {{storylink|The Spark}}

Scorponok was again teamed with Blackarachnia when Terrorsaur and Waspinator found a [[Brigadoon|weird flying island]]. After they reached the island, Scorponok used a cyberbee to check the place out, but it was intercepted by Tigatron. {{storylink|The Trigger, Part 1}} The two Predacons reached the obelisk at the center of the island and blasted their way in. When Blackarachnia announced the island's power would allow her to defeat even Megatron, Scorponok revealed that he had been sent with her to make sure that didn't happen. Of course, she promptly tricked him into triggering one of the island's many traps, and he fell through the hole that opened up to the ground below. {{storylink|The Trigger, Part 2}}

[[Image:Spider's Game Scorponok Inferno.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Looks like someone gave Scorponok...]]
On another occasion, Scorponok was on lookout when he spotted Tarantulas being "chased" by a stasis pod. Megatron ordered he obtain take the stasis pod back to base, so he confronted Tarantulas... only for the pod to blow up, knocking him into some boulders, where a falling rock rendered him unconscious. By the time he recovered, the fight was over, and Megatron ordered him to gather up [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] for repair. {{storylink|Spider's Game}} He took part in a diversionary attack on the ''Axalon'', while Waspinator and Terrorsaur stole the ship's [[rectifier coil]]. Later, once the Maximals had gone feral, he participated on the hunt by carrying Megatron's chair, but was taken down by Cheetor once the Maximals overcame their beast instincts. {{storylink|Call of the Wild}}

In one of his rare successes, Scorponok triggered an energon explosion, apparently taking out a group of Maximals. In reality, he'd simply blinded them, but he didn't find this out until after he'd reported back to Megatron. {{storylink|Dark Voyage}} After [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], possessing the body of Waspinator, helped the Predacons take over the ''Axalon'', Megatron left the [[Decepticon]] in charge of the Maximal base with Scorponok and Blackarachnia as underlings. When the inevitable betrayal occurred, Scorponok put up a token resistance before Starscream blasted him off the side of the ship. {{storylink|Possession}}

[[Image:OtherVoices1 Scorponok and Megatron pose.jpg|left|250px|thumb|So we shall flow a river forth to Thee and teeming with souls shall it ever be. In Nomeni Patri Et Fili Spiritus Sancti]]
Scorponok was among the Predacons who were taken out by Rhinox's almighty fart. {{storylink|The Low Road}} After Megatron declared a truce, and Tigatron infiltrated the Predacon base in search of information, Scorponok and Terrorsaur attempted to stop the Maximal from escaping, and ended up colliding spectacularly. Luckily for Scorponok, he didn't have to pursue Tigatron, as the Predacons who did mostly came back on stretchers. {{storylink|Before the Storm}} Scorponok later accompanied Megatron on a mission to an alien construct which had appeared. His toxic sting was instrumental in breaching the construct's wall, allowing Rattrap to get inside and retrieve [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]]. Of course, a short time later, Rattrap used one of Scorponok's missiles to dispose of Megatron, shortly before Scorponok himself was blasted by Airazor. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 1}}

[[Image:BW Scorponok Terrorsaur deaths.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Oh, the... robotity?]]
Back at base, Scorponok and the other Predacons monitored the situation with the [[Planet Buster]] which had been revealed high above the planet. Though Scorponok was confident that Megatron would save them, his leader announced that he had someone else in mind to do that. As it turned out, Optimus Primal was the one who piloted a modified stasis pod and blew up the Planet Buster. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 2}} Scorponok celebrated with his fellow Predacons, but the destruction of the alien weapon had other consequences. A [[quantum surge]] flooded through the base, beginning to mutate their bodies into [[Transmetal]]s. However both Scorponok and Terrorsaur lost control of their hover platforms, crashing into each other and tumbling into the lava beneath the Predacon base, where they perished. No one much noticed, though Blackarachnia pointed out that only Waspinator was present with Megatron when the Predacons arrived at the ''Axalon'' (only to keep herself from getting blasted). {{storylink|Aftermath}}
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====IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics====
[[Image:Transmetalscorponok.jpg|right|thumb|200px|You'd look angry too if you had heat burns all over you.]]
However, Scorponok and Terrorsaur were not actually dead—they were just in stasis lock. They awakened after the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] ended, finding themselves in Transmetal bodies. Scorponok got shafted, though-his new body didn't have a third vehicle mode like everyone else's. He had hover-fans with which he could [[Flight|fly]], though, so that's likely a decent thing. {{storylink|Beast Wars Sourcebook}}
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==Games==
===''Beast Wars: Transformers'' video game===
{{note|This game takes place in an alternate version of the first season of the [[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]] cartoon.}}
{{Note|Scorponok is a playable character in the Predacon mode of this game for normal gameplay.}}
Scorponok is reported to be mining energon in a desert area, causing damage to the environment. A lone Maximal investigates, only to be confronted with an onslaught of defenses; automated weapons protecting the arid area include immobile autoguns, automated weapons that arise from the sands to pester the hero with volleys of lasers and blasts, in addition to an array of flying machines and devices that relentlessly open fire on sight on any Maximal that trespasses in Scorponok's territory. Additionally, the area is populated by ravenous beasts, including what appears to be velociraptors! But of all the obstacles to be faced, the most incredible appear to be an automated weapon that FIRES ravenous beasts! Turrets mounted on hillsides dispense snakes to antagonize Maximals who approach it. If all of this wasn't enough, the large amount of energon deposits throughout the area force the lone warrior to revert to beast mode oftentimes. After the Maximal traverses the desert, Scorponok is revealed to be in command of his own personal base! Thus the confrontation between Maximal and Predacon begins: the bout starts with Scorponok standing outside his base, protected by a shield and two autoguns (he'd been saving up for his own little place in the wasteland, obviously), on the opposite side of a canyon from the Maximal. Whilst the autoguns fire, Scorponok also unleashes volleys of his personal arsenal. Once the guns are destroyed, the whole shield program shuts down. Scorponok then begins strafing and firing, but after a few more hits, falls into the canyon. Nonetheless, this is not the end of Scorponok! The Maximal must now confront Scorponok in a close-quarter combat, by following his enemy into the canyon. After a few more blasts, Scorponok collapses (and presumably the Maximal loots his base). {{storylink|Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)|Beast Wars: Transformers}}

{{Note|Due to the nature of this game, a player may select various individual characters to perform the feats required in every level, and complete the game's narrative. Thus, any playable Maximal can fill the role of protagonist in Maximal Mode, and any playable Predacon can fill the role of protagonist in Predacon Mode. As such, each character's page only lists said character's actions when they fill the role of antagonist during gameplay. To view the various feats Scorponok can accomplish throughout gameplay in Predacon Mode, it is told on the pages of the [[Optimus Primal|several]] [[Cheetor (BW)|Maximals]] [[Rattrap|included]] [[Dinobot (BW)|as]] [[Rhinox (BW)|opponents]] in this game, as well as the game's main antagonists, the [[Skriix]], wherein Scorponok fills the role of the nameless Predacon. To view the plot as a whole view the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)]] page.}}

===''Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle'' video game===
Megatron was capable of summoning Scorponok forth to the battlefield in his attempts to acquire the super-powerful [[energon crystal]]. {{storylink|Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle}}

==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
[[Image:BWtoy-ScorponokMega.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Admit it, you bought this for the bee.]]
* '''Scorponok''' (Mega, 1996/1997)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''D-2'''
**''Accessories'': Cyberbee drone, 2 missiles

:Scorponok transforms into a fairly organic but highly inaccurate black scorpion. The right pincer contains a small, spring-loaded [[Cyberbee|bee drone]]-type gimmick which can be launched, while his left pincer has a spring-loaded double missile launcher activated by pulling the top part of his claw open far enough to trigger the launcher. His tail also has a spring-loaded "stinging" action activated by pushing forward on a lever halfway up the scorpion tail. All three [[gimmick]]s are available in both modes.

:As one of the first toys released in the [[Beast Wars (toyline)|''Beast Wars'' line]], he features a "[[mutant head]]" gimmick; the halves of his mutant mask clamshell over his robot face from the sides.

: In Japan, Scorponok was initially released without notable changes from the [[Hasbro]] version. Come 1997, he and most of the rest of the show-cast toys were [[redeco]]ed to be more "show-accurate", with wildly varying degrees of success. Scorponok's black plastic was replaced with a charcoal gray, and the connecting red pieces were colored a lighter shade, almost orange.

:One should take care not to stress the pin that holds the cyber bee in his claw, it's fairly frail.

: This mold was later used to make [[Sandstorm (BW)|Sandstorm]] and [[Double Punch]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Predacon/Scorponok/scorponok.htm More information on Scorponok at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:VS2-PolarClawScorponok.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"North Pole Showdown"? Good luck, Scorp.]]
*'''North Pole Showdown: Whiteclaw VS Scorpos''' (Vs set, 1996)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''VS-2'''
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles

: In Japan, Scorponok was available both as an individual and in a two-pack with [[Polar Claw]]. Both toys are identical to their individual releases. It is unknown if the set ever came with the [[Redeco|redecoed]] "show-like" version of Scorponok.

: Amusingly, both toys are packaged in beast mode with their smaller partners deployed, making it look like the fight isn't going so well for Polar Claw.

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[[Image:BW-toy ScorponokMcD.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Oo oo. C'mon party people. Oo oo. Put your claws in the air.]]
* '''Scorponok''' (Happy Meal premium, 1998)

: Since Scorponok got killed off in order to introduce [[To sell toys|new prod—er, ''characters'']], he was granted a "[[Transmetal]]" toy as part of the second [[McDonald's]] ''Beast Wars'' Happy Meal promotion. He transforms like every other Scorponok, except his shoulders can't go lower than a few degrees from pointing up, meaning all he can do is "raise the roof." It's cast mostly in gauche magenta and "metallic" gold soft-plastics to prevent little kiddies from breaking it. Like the other McDonald's Transmetals, he lacks a third "vehicle" mode.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Predacon/Scorponok/scorponok.htm More information on McDonald's Scorponok at TFU.info]''
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==Merchandise==
[[Image:Scorponokmutatingcard.jpg|thumb|300px|right]]
* '''Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game''' (1997)
:Scorponok was one of the 24 beast warriors to receive a battle card representation for the Beast Wars [[Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game|card game]].
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*'''Beast Wars Movie Coin''' (1997)
:Released only in Japan, Scorponok was one of three characters from Beast Wars to receive a movie coin, the other two being Rattrap and Rhinox.
::*''[http://www.tfmuseum.com/tf-02273.html Scorponok Movie Coin at TFMuseum.com]''
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==Notes==
[[Image:ToyFair96ScorpGriz.jpg|right|180px|thumb|The most effective stealth ever.]]
* Scorponok was first advertised on the back of the [[Optimus Primal]] versus [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] two-pack at the start of the ''Beast Wars'' line with a completely different color scheme. The toy itself was cast completely in transparent orange and blue plastic, which would have made it remarkably fragile at the joints. Another version cast in pink translucent plastic and having the final claw coloration surfaced in 2006, although this could likely be explained by the random plastics used in [[Prototype|test shots]].
** Some early animation test shots included on [[Madman Entertainment|Madman Entertainment's]] Beast Wars Season 2 DVD release show Scorponok in his orange and blue color scheme.

*Scorponok's CGI animation model had an unusual tendency to switch from having yellow-colored optics to red-colored optics at random—sometimes within the same scene of a given episode. Most of the time he had yellow, though.

* Scorponok's pre-Beast form in "[[Theft of the Golden Disk]]" is a [[redeco]] of ''[[Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Shortround]], but in "[[Dawn of Future's Past]]" he is based on [[Scorponok (Energon)|''Energon'' Scorponok]], even though the latter story is set immediately after the former, with no real opportunity for him to change bodies in between.

* In the first few episodes, Scorponok's missiles had Maximal [[Insignia|faction symbols]] on them, a Cybertronian equivalent to carving the name of your next victim on your bullets. Many viewers failed to pick up on this symbolism, though, and they were promptly replaced with Predacon faction symbols to avoid confusion.

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Talk:Mixmaster (ROTF)

2011-02-18T10:56:12Z

Manmcmanman:

==Toy Image Joke==
"That's the second biggest Decepticon insignia i've ever seen!"

Could the author enlighten us as to which was the largest by turning "biggest" into a link? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 11:07, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:[[Giant Decepticon insignia|This one]], maybe? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:16, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::I think between that, and Astrotrain, and Dropkick, the joke pretty much fails. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:51, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Yep! Though I think the joke starts working again if we can get it up to "That's the fifteenth biggest Decepticon insignia I've ever seen!" So let's get crackin'. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:00, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Perhaps we should change the caption to "I've seen bigger Decepticon insignias" with links to toys with larger ones. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 12:20, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>pulls out sarcasm-o-meter* ...I'm sitting here trying to figure out how many of the people in this discussion actually did or didn't get the reference. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:43, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

Category: Giant insignia? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:40, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:Seconded :) [[Special:Contributions/212.74.27.55|212.74.27.55]] 09:24, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

== Beast Wars Reference? ==

Perhaps I am in folly here, but during the final battle, right after he shields himself from enemy fire and before Jetfire ''Slaughters'' him, he seems to pull a triple-barreled cannon from his nethers, which he fires once.
It might be just me, but the image really made me think of Beast Wars Rampage. Does this qualiffy as trivia?
[[User:ThiAthEhn|Mischa]] 06:10, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
:No, not at all. And Barricade wasn't in ROTF at all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:25, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
he said ''rampage'' not barricade ([[User:Manmcmanman|Manmcmanman]] 05:56, 18 February 2011 (EST))
== Misassembled ==
I actually got the cab-hinge working without having to flip any pieces, but has anyone tried swapping the figure's hips? They look like they should be on the opposite legs--that'd put the "finished" parts forward, hide the screw holes, and may even improve the range of motion. Is this worth adding to the article? [[Special:Contributions/68.38.201.101|68.38.201.101]] 16:19, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
:It's just the stock photography that shows the legs that way: it's not really clear, but steps 14, 15 and 16 in the instructions show you the proper way to work the hips. I ''would'' be interested in hearing how you fixed the cab without switching anything, though. --[[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 18:01, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
::How exactly do you drive the pin out?[[Special:Contributions/24.89.74.34|24.89.74.34]] 13:58, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

:Okay, this whole misassembly thing has been questioned on at least one toy review website who didn't have any problems whatsoever. Is it actually true or not? Normally, if it had been one of our staff members who wrote... well, I'd question it anyway, but this time it's somebody who doesn't often edit on the wiki who asserts this. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:34, 14 July 2009 (EDT)

It's actually the instructions that are wrong about the cab's shaft being partially misassembled. If you bend the shaft so the cab's hinged tab can go into the gun, you'll notice the slot is perfectly angled for that. Also, according to the instructions, the shaft is a LOT less hidden.

==Voyager toy==
:Am i the only one here who thinks the entire thing is just noting the toys ''many'' flows without actually talking about it?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 09:39, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:: Yeah, that's just a LITTLE BIT OVERKILL. Jesus, just say where he's misassembled. Can anyone more familiar with the toy cut that down to a sentence or two? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:12, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::As I've said above, a toy review site questioned our assertion in this article (and apparently our Myspace thing which I can't access) that Mixmaster is misassembled. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:40, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Can't someone add more info about the actual toy instead of the ranting about the messed up stuff? [[Special:Contributions/220.134.30.107|220.134.30.107]] 21:38, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Evidently nobody here who owns it cares to talk about the actual toy, and the only person to wrote about the toy only did so to complain about it. Since nobody has given me a good explanation about the whole misassembly thing, I'm ditching the lot of it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:55, 18 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::I own him! Too lazy to actually write about it, though, beyond the review I did for TFViews, and oh God I'm not logged in, well, it's Onslaught Six, anyway. [[Special:Contributions/71.60.161.100|71.60.161.100]] 11:56, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

The toy isn't miss assembled in most cases. The instructions are wrong, just like they were for Voyager Star Scream, concerning the hinged hands and guns.

== Main Image ==

What would you put as a main image for the page?

== second biggest? ==

Not that i don't appreciate a good Monkey Island homage from time to time, but with all those links in that text, isn't it kinda conflicting with the word "second"? --[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 17:13, 28 July 2009 (EDT)

== Autobot Mixmaster? ==
Okay, so in [http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ben_procter_rotf_12.jpg this image] from Ben Procter, the early head design is made to resemble an actor. Looks to be Brendan Gleeson. Anyone ever hear any rumbles of him being cast for ROTF? Also, note the Autobot symbol on the concept art. Explains the "friendlier" face with the nose and big eyes.--[[User:MCRG Again|MCRG Again]] 01:16, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:Scratch that. It IS [http://www.giratempoweb.net/gallery/data/media/14/Brendan_Gleeson_1.jpg Brendan Gleeson]. Huh.--[[User:MCRG Again|MCRG Again]] 01:17, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

== "Listen UP" ==

Mixmaster actually says listen up, it's just very garbled. [[Special:Contributions/69.230.74.60|69.230.74.60]] 00:25, 6 February 2010 (EST)
:Yes, he does. I wonder if it was a voice acotr?--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 19:50, 24 February 2010 (EST)
::Well mixmaster was originally listed as mike patton being his voice. It's possible they cut out his lines, but forgot this one--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 23:30, 20 August 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Mixmaster (ROTF)

2011-02-18T10:54:26Z

Manmcmanman:

==Toy Image Joke==
"That's the second biggest Decepticon insignia i've ever seen!"

Could the author enlighten us as to which was the largest by turning "biggest" into a link? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 11:07, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:[[Giant Decepticon insignia|This one]], maybe? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:16, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::I think between that, and Astrotrain, and Dropkick, the joke pretty much fails. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:51, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Yep! Though I think the joke starts working again if we can get it up to "That's the fifteenth biggest Decepticon insignia I've ever seen!" So let's get crackin'. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:00, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Perhaps we should change the caption to "I've seen bigger Decepticon insignias" with links to toys with larger ones. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 12:20, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>pulls out sarcasm-o-meter* ...I'm sitting here trying to figure out how many of the people in this discussion actually did or didn't get the reference. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:43, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

Category: Giant insignia? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:40, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:Seconded :) [[Special:Contributions/212.74.27.55|212.74.27.55]] 09:24, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

== Beast Wars Reference? ==

Perhaps I am in folly here, but during the final battle, right after he shields himself from enemy fire and before Jetfire ''Slaughters'' him, he seems to pull a triple-barreled cannon from his nethers, which he fires once.
It might be just me, but the image really made me think of Beast Wars Rampage. Does this qualiffy as trivia?
[[User:ThiAthEhn|Mischa]] 06:10, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
:No, not at all. And Barricade wasn't in ROTF at all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:25, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
he said ''rampage'' not barricade
== Misassembled ==
I actually got the cab-hinge working without having to flip any pieces, but has anyone tried swapping the figure's hips? They look like they should be on the opposite legs--that'd put the "finished" parts forward, hide the screw holes, and may even improve the range of motion. Is this worth adding to the article? [[Special:Contributions/68.38.201.101|68.38.201.101]] 16:19, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
:It's just the stock photography that shows the legs that way: it's not really clear, but steps 14, 15 and 16 in the instructions show you the proper way to work the hips. I ''would'' be interested in hearing how you fixed the cab without switching anything, though. --[[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 18:01, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
::How exactly do you drive the pin out?[[Special:Contributions/24.89.74.34|24.89.74.34]] 13:58, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

:Okay, this whole misassembly thing has been questioned on at least one toy review website who didn't have any problems whatsoever. Is it actually true or not? Normally, if it had been one of our staff members who wrote... well, I'd question it anyway, but this time it's somebody who doesn't often edit on the wiki who asserts this. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:34, 14 July 2009 (EDT)

It's actually the instructions that are wrong about the cab's shaft being partially misassembled. If you bend the shaft so the cab's hinged tab can go into the gun, you'll notice the slot is perfectly angled for that. Also, according to the instructions, the shaft is a LOT less hidden.

==Voyager toy==
:Am i the only one here who thinks the entire thing is just noting the toys ''many'' flows without actually talking about it?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 09:39, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:: Yeah, that's just a LITTLE BIT OVERKILL. Jesus, just say where he's misassembled. Can anyone more familiar with the toy cut that down to a sentence or two? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:12, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::As I've said above, a toy review site questioned our assertion in this article (and apparently our Myspace thing which I can't access) that Mixmaster is misassembled. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:40, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Can't someone add more info about the actual toy instead of the ranting about the messed up stuff? [[Special:Contributions/220.134.30.107|220.134.30.107]] 21:38, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Evidently nobody here who owns it cares to talk about the actual toy, and the only person to wrote about the toy only did so to complain about it. Since nobody has given me a good explanation about the whole misassembly thing, I'm ditching the lot of it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:55, 18 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::I own him! Too lazy to actually write about it, though, beyond the review I did for TFViews, and oh God I'm not logged in, well, it's Onslaught Six, anyway. [[Special:Contributions/71.60.161.100|71.60.161.100]] 11:56, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

The toy isn't miss assembled in most cases. The instructions are wrong, just like they were for Voyager Star Scream, concerning the hinged hands and guns.

== Main Image ==

What would you put as a main image for the page?

== second biggest? ==

Not that i don't appreciate a good Monkey Island homage from time to time, but with all those links in that text, isn't it kinda conflicting with the word "second"? --[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 17:13, 28 July 2009 (EDT)

== Autobot Mixmaster? ==
Okay, so in [http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ben_procter_rotf_12.jpg this image] from Ben Procter, the early head design is made to resemble an actor. Looks to be Brendan Gleeson. Anyone ever hear any rumbles of him being cast for ROTF? Also, note the Autobot symbol on the concept art. Explains the "friendlier" face with the nose and big eyes.--[[User:MCRG Again|MCRG Again]] 01:16, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:Scratch that. It IS [http://www.giratempoweb.net/gallery/data/media/14/Brendan_Gleeson_1.jpg Brendan Gleeson]. Huh.--[[User:MCRG Again|MCRG Again]] 01:17, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

== "Listen UP" ==

Mixmaster actually says listen up, it's just very garbled. [[Special:Contributions/69.230.74.60|69.230.74.60]] 00:25, 6 February 2010 (EST)
:Yes, he does. I wonder if it was a voice acotr?--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 19:50, 24 February 2010 (EST)
::Well mixmaster was originally listed as mike patton being his voice. It's possible they cut out his lines, but forgot this one--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 23:30, 20 August 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Waspinator (BW)

2011-02-17T18:39:40Z

Manmcmanman: /* Character-Voice Version? */

2/21/07: Ok, let's discuss this instead of getting into an endless reversion war. Why can't the silly all s's to z's change be allowed? How is it any worse than say the constant rhyming on Wheelie's page?
:: Because it makes the article a pain in the ass to read? At least that seems to be the reason it got edited last time--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 03:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Is this a little more acceptable?

Why is Waspy in the "Toys 'R' Us Exclusives" category? As far as I know, unless you count the TRU-Japan-Exclusive version of Thrust, all of Waspinator's toys thus far have been general releases, save for the upcoming Botcon version.

You know, I missed the typo in the Botcon comic "Excecute jump now" panel there. Thanks alot. Now I'll be saying 'excecute' all day. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The very first round of Fox Kids BW toys were TRU-only, which included Waspinator. -- M Sipher

:I can't prove that you're wrong but I'm sure you are. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

::I also greatly question this assertion as I can find nothing to corroborate it. --[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 06:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

::: If memory serves I got my Fox Kid's Rhinox at Target. Even if memory ''doesn't'' serve, Waspy probably should be taken out of this category until some proof is dug up. I won't take him out myself, but I think someone should consider it. --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 00:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== Stinger ==

If I'm not mistaken, stinger = sharpened ovipositor.. and ovipositor = egg-laying tube.. and therefore ovipositor = vagina.. which means Wazzpinator is a girl-altmoder like Tigatron!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:75.72.21.221|75.72.21.221]] ([[User talk:75.72.21.221|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/75.72.21.221|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.
:Male wasps/hornets still have stings.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, male wasps do not have stings because stings are modified ovipositors, which only females have. The anonymous poster is correct in that Waspinator's beast form is female. Some may find this interesting, but it should really come as no surprise. About half of the beast warriors probably have female beast modes, seeing as females usually make up approximately half of most species' populations. So far, I can positively sex the beast forms of Tigatron (female), Waspinator (female), Inferno (female), Blackarachnia (female), and Cheetor (male). I don't know about the rest though. It doesn't really matter, but it's still somewhat interesting.--[[User:General Cicadacon|General Cicadacon]] 22:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Since none of the (mammalian) beast forms have external genitals I assumed they were all female. Aside from Stampy's "Kick him in the unmentionables!" quote in ''The Ascending'' I've never seen any evidence to the contrary...[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Since the mammalian beast modes don't show any mammaries, either, I always assumed that the gender based organs (and all the other organs, now that I think about it, save Cheetor's gut gun) were absent from the beast mode. After all, we know they don't have blood (Cheetor says so in "The Web"). Why would they have organs? And if they don't have organs, they don't have gender (Organically, that is. Obviously their TF modes have robo-gender....somehow......). - Buddy

== Immortality? ==

I think it might be crazy and I just came up with it like 2 seconds ago but I think that Waspinator was the one with an immortal spark seriously maybe when Starscream possessed him it gave him a residual effect to survive even the worse of being slag. or maybe he is just lucky/unlucky.
[[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 11:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

:...what? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

::I think he's saying that Waspinator's apparent immortality may be an after effect of being possessed by Starscream. [[User:24.207.234.189|24.207.234.189]] 00:17, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::No,he's saying starscream became immortal AFTER posessing the undefeatable waspinator. Which makes no sense whatsoever because if his spark was there he was already immortal. I don't think this guy knows G1 exists.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 15:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Though Waspinator getting blown to scrap rather predates that episode.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Just a theory, but maybe Waspinator had a "differentiated" spark, just like [[Frenzy (Movie)|a certain little skittering spaz]]. If ''he'' can survive being decapitated multiple times, what's to say Waspy wasn't built to the same specs, as it were? --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 02:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Character-Voice Version? ==

So, is it consensus that the character-voice intro paragraphs are better than more normal ones? I'd prefer the non-voice version. [[User:JW|JW]] 03:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
:In some cases, yes. In this case, definitely. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
::This one really is kinda difficult to read. At very least it needs to be edited down. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I think I would prefer going back to the non-character voice version. Maybe if the Tenth Anniversary bio hadn't already done it, I'd like seeing it here better. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Wazzpinator ''like'' hizz page zzerved with extra Z. [[User:Wazzpinator|Wazzpinator]] 18:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Looking zz at this as it currently stands? zzz The intro zzzz looks zzz AWFUL. I mean, it is seriously zzzz almost zzzz impossible zzzzzz to read. I don't think zzzz the character zzz voice adds zzzz ''anything'' zzzz to the page, and makes zzz it very ugly and hard zzzz to follow. I vote for purging it entirely. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:I agree with removing the "z"s, but lets keep it in his character voice. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::Would it be acceptable to use the Zs in the opening character overview? I kind of liked them there and thought it was fittingly amusing. I agree that using it throughout the entire article is major overkill, though. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 01:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::It never ''was'' in his character voice. Someone just did a search-and-replace on the letter "S", and made a couple of minor grammar edits -- but it was never re-written to sound like something Waspinator would actually say. If it's going to be a character voice intro, it needs to be done ''right'', not just a crude, hard-to-read port of what's already written. That also means it has to be ''better'' than what's up there now, which if I may say so is pretty good. The character POV's a cute idea, but the execution thus far has left much to be desired. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:58, 13 February 2008 (EST)

I agree with you guys mostly, but his ''quote'' should probably have the z's. After all, angry archer is in ye olde english and wheelie is IN RHYME.[[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 19:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Dunno if it helpszz, but when doing BW fancomicszzz I found that an "s" followed by two or three "z"s uszzually got the messzzzage acrosszz
without being too difficult to read, and conveyed Waszzpinator'szzz voice perfectly. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Although szzoft 'c'szz are difficult to reproduce, szzee "voice" above, and indeed "reproduce" in thiszz szzzentence. And in "szzzentence". Gah. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the final note on [[Waspinator (BW)]] page
:Dude, seriously. This conversation ended three years ago. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:58, 17 February 2011 (EST)

== Waspy Transmetal needs own page? ==

According to the final BW profile book TM Waspy is a seperate alternate reality version that is perminantly possesed by the spark of Starscream (the Starscream of our universe) and engaged in a constant struggle between the Screamer and Waspy personalities in his Transmetal form. Sooo our policy is that alt. reality varients get seperate pages right? We need a "Waspinator (Transmetal)" page now? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:Man, as if Prowl II wasn't enough... [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::Just take something that will counter the headache ''before'' you read it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:"Alternate reality variants"?? Y'mean like... IDW Scorponok vs G1 comics Scorponok? Seems to me he'd just get a separate fiction section. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::<nowiki>[[Tankor (Decepticon)]]</nowiki> vs [[Tankor (BM)]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah that, and many others ([[Galvatron II]] anyone) was the sort of thing I was envisioning. It raises an interesting question. Where is that line? Between seperate continuities of the same character (same page) vs. alternate reality versions (seperate pages).--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::And again, that's a decision I contest for this very reason. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::But IDW transmetal Waspy is still from the G1 continuity family. I'd say this is more Marvel Prime vs. G1 Cartoon Prime than Marvel Prime vs. RID cartoon Prime. Plus, Waspinator appeared in Transmetal form in a video game. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::But again, how is this different from Galvy II mentioned above, or the Tankor, or many of the Universe and other Alt. Relaity varients that already have their own page? I don't really care which way we do it, honestly, but I DO think we should be consistant. We need to pick some clear rules for this: when a character is Alt. enough to have his own page and when he is just a varient on the main page. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:49, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think we need to merge the Tankors and Obsidians together, and treat these alternate universe versions of the same character like we do all the other alternate universe versions (cartoon vs comic) of the same character. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I'd kinda agree. In particular, I've always thought it was really strange to have a separate page under this made-up "Galvatron II" title. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Galvatron II isn't "made-up," it's the name of the eHobby toy. Furman had previously used it in Alignment, which itself doesn't count, but that's where eHobby got it from. Anyway, Sourcebook TM Waspinator does not seem to be a distinct character warranting a page of his own, just sections on Waspy and Starscream's pages. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:38, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, Galvatron II gets his own toy, and is running around in a universe where there's already another Galvatron and a Megatron. He gets his own page partly to avoid tremendous confusion and because he's got his own name. Sorta. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Animated page? ==

With him having appeared in the cartoon now,in Arabia,does animated waspinator finally deserve a page?[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 10:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:Considering that we aren't even sure if his name is "Wasp" or "Waspinator", I'd say no. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::Ok,well at least we know there is A waspinator in TFA. Just have to wait for his name. By the way,are you also hoping he will keep his cybertronian alt mode?[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 15:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't care about his alternate mode, nor do I think my liking of it needs to be discussed here. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Ok,i was just saying. Cause a Cybertron mode Bumblebee retool would be ''right'' around the corner.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 15:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm putting my foot down. This does not belong on this page. We can do an Animated page if and when the episode airs, but I am sick and tired of these leaks from Dubai and rumors making this page look unprofessional.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:In addition to that, we don't really know if his name is even Waspinator, since all the reports I've seen just call him Wasp.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 01:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::Well then you ''clean up'' the page,not remove the trivia just because ''you're bored with it''. You told me yourself, you are not an admin,so stop trying to be one.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 12:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I am going to have to agree with [[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]], Animated Waspy should get his own page like every other character in this wiki. We don't put Movie Prime on [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime's]] page because ''they're not the same character.'' Do y'all get what I'm going at here?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 13:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I agree with Rosi. A different character with a different name and a different appearance, from a different continuity, who may or may not be appearing in an episode none of us have actually seen? Yah, he does not belong on this page. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:29, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::You two haven't even read a word in this conversation,Rosicrucian is saying Wasp should ''not'' get a page,while i'm saying he should.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 13:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::I am saying he shouldn't get a page until we have the full episode aired in North America so that the information is readily available and not subject to the whims and misconceptions of a rabid Transformers fan straining his eyes to make out a patchy broadcast from Dubai. The reason I believe this is because, and this is crucial, ''it lets the maximum number of users check each other's work''.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't know if there's a language barrier, but at no point did I say I was bored with it. I said I was ''tired of it'', by which I mean I'm tired of people adding this crapola. It doesn't take an admin to remove a trivia item that ''doesn't belong on this page in the first place.''--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::. . . No, he said, "This does not belong on '''this''' page." I think we all agree that, once one of us has seen the episode, we should create a page for "Wasp" or whatever his name is. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Except,y'know. The ep aired already,just not in slow-ass america.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 14:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::If you've seen it, please feel free to add the info to this wiki. If all the info you have is second-hand, please don't. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::So you people are saying that all news that did not appear in the USA first is inferior news? I find that racist,i'm not gonna bother replying to that anymore.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 14:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Y'know, I'm also sick and tired of people not understanding that users checking each other's work is the biggest thing that makes Wikis viable, and folks trotting out the "racist" label when they're losing an argument. We don't need this crap.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Rhinox, we welcome contributions from anyone who has firsthand knowledge, Arabic, American, Canadian, Japanese, or Nebulan. What ''you'' have is rumor, because you haven't seen the episode. Also, please remember that you are the New Guy here, so you should try to be less confrontational, especially when we're being polite. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think a guy called Magmatron on TFW2005 saw it, but usince we've zero information about Wasp, might not wanna add it. Although I do think adding information we can definetely confirm from those early airings is valid. [[User:GWolfv2]] 15.04 May 12 2008 (GMT)

I'm going to give an example here. Take a typical weekend in which a new episode of TFA airs in Canada or the US. We spend the entire weekend (and sometimes much of the week) double-checking the episode summary, the character fiction sections, and making sure the article holds up and doesn't contain too much cruft. It's a community effort, and often a lot of stuff has to be corrected or just plain cut because the people watching the episode are ''fallible''. All of us. I am not excluded from this.

Now imagine that same episode article and character information is being added for a leaked episode broadcast in Dubai. Maybe five people in the Transformers community have seen it. Maybe only one of those is a user on this Wiki. Maybe he's not even a user on this wiki and the users here are just using his fan summary he posted on one of the news sites. Can the users on this wiki correct him if he's got a misconception about what he's seen? What if he assumes that the tank guy with the turret on his head is Omega Supreme and makes an Omega Supreme character page? Can we call him on his mistaken assumption? It just doesn't work out.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:You know, if someone here is simply throwing up misinformation and starting fights and hurling insults repeatedly, despite numerous warnings, there ''is'' something to be done about it... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, I'm probably wasting my breath trying to explain myself to someone who just said "I'm not going to reply anymore because you're all racists."--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC):::::::
Osnap, it aired on UK what do we do now?
:There will soon be a page at [[Wasp]]. If he at any point changes his name, we'll move it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
==Waspinator to Waspinator (BW)==
Now that Wasp has become Waspinator in Animated, I'm in favor of this article being Waspinator (BW). Even if the Animated article is left at [[Wasp]] (there is currently debate as to renaming it), I think it could be potentially confusing leaving the (BW) off this article. --[[User:Loudstone|Loudstone]] 02:59, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
:How would it be confusing? Is it confusing to have 1000 Optimus Prime pages, or should we put them into one article? This isn't the ''Beast Wars'' Waspinator, it's the ''Animated'' Waspinator. ''Two totally different continuities''. Go to the search bar and type in Waspinator and it'll bring up [[Waspinator (BW)]] and [[Waspinator (Animated)]].--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:50, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
::Loudstone is right, though. We have two Waspinator pages. Each needs to have a parenthetical. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:56, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Yep. Policy is clear on this. The move has now been performed.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 10:58, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

==Return to Cybertron==
Just how did Waspinator make it back to Cybertron after the end of Beast Wars? Assuming I did my calculations right, if Waspinator had four million years, he would have only been able to make it to Alpha Centauri if he were flying at the speed of sound. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:68.183.233.84|68.183.233.84]] ([[User talk:68.183.233.84|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/68.183.233.84|contribs]]){{#if:| {{{2o}}}|}}.
:Maybe Cybertron is orbiting Alpha Centauri in the Beast Wars continuity? Waspy was presumably flying at the same speed as the quantum wavefront from the planet buster explosion, since he took roughly the same amount of time to get there. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:36, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
:How do you know he got back under his own power (the amount of energon it would take seems prohibitive) - or, indeed, '''when''' he got back (all he says is that it "took forever", and the only other thing we know is that he was there when Megatron stole all the sparks, including his. The cartoon doesn't even say when ''Megatron'' arrived, relative to when he left...). He may have stowed away with the G1 TFs and got back that way... - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 08:42, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
::If [[Primeval Dawn]] had ever finished, we would have seen him return to Cybertron through a transwarp portal along with Primal Prime and the others. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:26, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Devastator (ROTF)

2011-02-17T18:34:45Z

Manmcmanman: /* help with my lego devastor project */

== Seven vehicles ==
Paramount listing mention 7 constructicons vehicles, Overload is the not-mentioned-before seventh one:
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/04/01/tranformers-2-robots-announced/ --[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 17:33, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
:Can we put somewhere on this page a link to either the seven Constructicons or the group page?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:04, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

: A leaked image of legends class construction group even cofirms it...and might i add that they actualy combine into devastator?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 05:47, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
::Not to us though. You just said a ''leaked'' image of the Constructicons, we only use ''confirmed'' news about this stuff (Hasbro, Wal-Mart, Target, etc.). Until then, Devastator only has six components.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I withdraw my previous statement.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:57, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

Was the Paramount listing officially released? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:54, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:06, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

I gather [http://tformers.com/transformers-takara-announces-revenge-of-the-fallen-transformable-legends-devastator-combiner/11492/news.html Takara] has an upcoming toy that makes the whole thing ''much'' clearer.

Can someone who is ''not'' me use this to add altmodes to the list of names? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:56, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

* 2010 for Legends class? Say it ain't so! [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:42, 13 June 2009 (EDT)

Should Devastator's various toy descriptions be revised? Majorish spoilers: In the film, there are at least two sets of constructicons, as they appear both as induviduals and as Devastator simultaniously, or else shown to be incapacitated to such a degree that the could not be a part of him. More importantly, the ones that form Devastator are not shown to have robot modes of their own.(although the supreme toy is still inacurate since Overload's vehicle is a clear part of Devastator) The acuracy of the figures should not have been brought into question before there was something to compare them to. Simple as that.[[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 18:38, 20 June 2009 (ED

In what stores will Legends Devastator be available in the US? [[Special:Contributions/205.188.117.8|205.188.117.8]] 17:43, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

;Another interview
Micheal Bay confirmed that Devastator is combined from seven vehicles. And, seems each individual is able to transform (Oh...) just like the Legends class. ''Argh''.
http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/9f78f1359c3d0e8c32795a6033cceab2-551.html
:''In the final cut, much of that scene is dominated by CG-animated alien robots, including Devastator — ''the new villain made out of seven individual robots'' who hide in the form of construction equipment. But the flesh-and-blood actors also got to romp on the pyramids.''
--'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 03:28, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::That article was written for ''USA Today'', it is not a quote from Bay, and as the film shows, Devy is made of more than seven vehicles, his right hand is separate from his arm, plus there's a blue and yellow dump truck that shows up above the pit he combines in. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 19:04, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

==Blind packaged?==
Where has it been stated that the EZ Constructicons would be blind-packed in Japan? The other EZ guys are, but that seems to be a different assortment to the Constructicons, who were shown in US Legends-like packaging once at some show, and at least HLJ is selling them separately. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 12:15, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:They will be blind packed as it would be seriously stupid to sell them so you know exactly what you get when each case contains a case figure. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:28, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::In what sense is it "seriously stupid"? It's logical, and perhaps inevitable, given that the rest of the EZ Collection are blind-packed, but it's not a dumb question for Mazenoise to ask. Devastator's a combiner. Even non-collectors are going to want to catch them all in that instance. If they're blind-packed, that's going to be a nightmare. (I'm still figuring the number of packs you'd need to buy to get even a 50/50 chance of completing the set.) Of course, given the relative crappiness of some of the Legends Constructicons, if they're not blind packed then the distribution will shift in favour of pegwarmers over time, which would ''also'' be unfavourable for people trying to complete the set. [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 07:11, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::I meant it would be stupid if they weren't blind packed as that way you would know what you get so you could easily pick the rare case figure. And these aren't part of the normal EZ collection but of a special Devastator set, each case contains 3.5 Devastators and a case figure.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 09:20, 5 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Ah, got you, I misunderstood you. So we're on the same page then. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 10:35, 5 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::So turns out their not blindpacked. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 08:06, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::Everyone's a winner! [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:19, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

== Voiced? ==

Unless I missed something else the second time I watched the movie, that is not Devastator speaking, it is Megatron announcing/shouting to him. So Devastator doesn't speak, just roars.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:55, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:Welker often does... less verbose critters, where he just growls or makes animal sounds. There's a few he's even famous for.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:59, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::I think he voised him in the game and the voise-box of the toy.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 08:25, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

== Film-specific transformation? ==

Okay, I know the toys can only approximate the live-action design, but Devastator's combination doesn't seem to be at all consistent. To ''start'' with, the shots of the construction vehicles arriving in the canyon are off; Scrapper and Hightower are on Mixmaster's right and Overload's on his left, with Scavenger behind the other vehicles, and Rampage and Long Haul on a higher-level cliff edge. When the combination starts, however, Scrapper's on the left of Scavenger, Mixmaster is in front of the others and Overload seems to have completely disappeared. Maybe the big D ''is'' a six-Con combiner after all?

It gets worse when, from what I can tell, Rampage (who's actually on ground level along with Long Haul) apparently gets picked up by Hightower to become D's ''left hand''. What the hell forms the left leg, then? Did Overload switch jobs and colour scheme when nobody was looking? I'd seriously appreciate some help in a consensus on what happened. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 07:51, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
::It all just got swallowed into a writhing mass of metal, and reemerged where it should have been all along, apparently.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 20:22, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, the set-up scene with the vehicles driving up was wrong, but set that aside. Overload does not, in any way, form part of Devastator! Rampage transforms wrong, he transforms like Scavenger, with his scoop breaking into three pieces. Devastator's left arm (which already has Hightower attached) slams down on top of Rampage to form... a longer arm. You also don't see Long Haul actually attach to Devastator, but he does begin his transformation sequence. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:58, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Hightower does not slam down on top of Rampage to complete the arm. That is a [[Unknown Constructicon shovel|completely different vehicle mode and Transformer]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:20, 21 January 2010 (EST)
On the left of hightower you see zee little on once the transformation starts.

== Non-individual transformation ==

I've read the Battle bio, but I haven't read the Movie Universe Ultimate Guide. I'd like to know what is written about Devastator's entry in the book because I think "In the film, none of the components of Devastator are shown as individual Transformers. This would justify why the components of the Constructicon Devastator playset to have no individual humanoid modes" is still notable. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:08, 22 July 2009 (EDT)
:"Did you know? ... The individual intellects of the six Constructicons are largely lost during the combination process." [http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/07/ask-orci-final-edition.html Roberto Orci was also asked about it] and said, "I suppose since we didn't commit either way, I wouldn't want to tie the hands of future writers with my non-canon opinion." So the writers didn't commit either way, which means the work of "future writers" settles the matter. So far that means the battle bio and The Movie Universe. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:22, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

::So it seems safe to add back only "In the film, none of Devastator's components are shown as individual Transformers. This would(might) justify why the components of his Supereme class toy to have no individual humanoid modes.", since the note doesn't mention any speculation whether Devastator is not a combiner or any suggestion which contradicts to the bio. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 08:39, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

== Wrecking balls? ==

Those are overhaul balls! The one had a hook on it. That's a major clue, because a hook on a wrecking ball would quickly become scrap.

They're not for demolition; they're to make sure the relatively light hook goes down smoothly when lowered.

Those where maybe hightowers and he also seems to be part dragon

== Two Rampages form Devastator? ==

That is a good catch if it is true. I didn't notice. Can it be confirmed that two Rampages formed Devastator in the film? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:59, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:And what is Overload's bullet? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:01, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Overload's bullet specifies that it's not always a part of Devastator in every medium. If the twin Rampage thing turns out to be true ''for the movie'', it needs to have the same qualification to it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 23:10, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:Don't know how canonical it is, but one of Devastator's promotional art pieces (http://idigitalcitizen.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/1440x960-devastator-specs.jpg) definitely has two sets of treads in the left leg - one as the foot, one up in the knee, and comparing the size of the treads to the leg itself it'd need two Rampages to have that much mass. I haven't seen a good enough shot of his leg in any other media to confirm this. Should it be three, though? It definitely seemed like a third Rampage became the left hand. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 18:56, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
::That same piece of art labels the left leg as "Rampage component" (singular). I'm not sure who originally wrote that there were two Rampages or why, but I think it is because in the movie Transformation sequence Rampage forms part of the left arm along with Hightower. It is not shown where Devastator gets his left leg but presumably it is (also) Rampage. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:27, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
:That bit for the knee doesn't look like the same kind of tread, though. It could be an unwrapped wheel, like with Scrapper.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 23:46, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
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Well, i studyed it and I found something. Lets look on it when Construcitons arrive to canyon. Lets take it from Scavengers view as the center.
- Mixmaster is in front of him. Thats right.
- Hightower in on left side, thats right too.
- Scrapper is on right side along with Overload, but farrer like Hightower. When he arrive he is behind Overload but then he is in front of overload.
- Overload is on right side behind Scrapper.
- Long Haul is there twice!!! Because he isnt only on higher ground, but ALSO near Simmons and Leo.
- Rampage is on high ground along with one Long Haul.

So now we got there 8 Constructicons in the pit!!! Now transformations:

- Scavenger becomes body.
- Mixmaster becomes head combined with Scavenger (red).
- Hightower becomes left arm, but attachs "something" as its fist.
- Scrapper becomes "probably" right arm.
- Overload dissappears.
- Long Haul becames very quickly right leg.
- Rampage becomes quickly left leg.

So now there are only 2 Constructicons!!! What happened to Overload and second Long Haul? And also when he arrives he is also behind Overload AND on left side from Mixmaster. So there are 9 Constructicons. Now i will say my theory.

- Scavenger and Mixmaster are obvious.
- Hightower attach second Scrapper as his fist.
- First Scrapper becomes a right fist when Overload attach him.
- Overload became right arm.
- One Long Haul jump from the cliff and form right leg.
- Rampage also jump from the cliff and make left leg.

This explain some things, but still I dont know what exactly happened to second Long Haul near Twins and Simmons (and Leo)... hmmm. And if you really want to know that, why you simply dont send Email to Paramount, Hasbro or that other company r directly to Michael Bay how it really is with Devastator. Like his "balls", they should be from Hightower, but how something from his arm could be in his pelvis? [[User:V.Metalic|V.Metalic]] 20:10, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

== Supreme Class Constructicon Devastator==
The second Supreme Class Devastator is impossible to find information about online. Does anyone know if this is a toy that is going to be released, or has it already been out? It looks like it is made up of the Legends Class figures, so does one have to buy all of the Legend Class vehicles to make Devastator? [[User:Fergalicious|Fergalicious]] 01:53, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:Um, what second Supreme Class Devastator?[[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:17, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
::I know what Fergalicious means. It's not a Supreme Class, it's just made of the Legends Constructicons. The size is really closer a Deluxe, if I'm right. [[User:Fallen13|Fallen13]] 20:02, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
::: Oh, right, the Legends ones. Yeah, it's out in Japan as a selection of EZ Collection Constructicons which you can collect and combine, but Hasbro's suggested that it'll bring them to the US (at the very least) as a store exclusive next year, containing all 7 Constructicons. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 17:49, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

==Page protection==

Is this page still meant to be protected? [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 05:08, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:Surely it can be unprotected by now![[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 14:51, 22 January 2010 (EST)

==Required components==

Couldn't it be possible that some of Devastator's components aren't ''required'' for combination, they're just extra parts that augment him internally to make him extra powerful. Also, the fact that there are a bunch of duplicates of his components would make it possible that there are lots of Devastators, wouldn't it. Correct me if I'm wrong. {{unsigned|70.100.242.133|12:33, November 6, 2009 (EST)}}
:You are basically right. It is possible. See [http://unicron-events-interviews.blogspot.com/2009/10/hasbro-q-10212009.html Hasbro's answer] to the question (#2). "...there are a race of Transformers called Combiners that are not limited to one form or method of combining. Needless to say, there are a lot of things that can happen within this and other races of Transformers." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:45, 6 November 2009 (EST)

==Legends Class Poseablity==
"The only real drawback he has is that he almost has no articulation."
To be fair, he has about as much articulation as the G1 Devastator, and he holds together better. His arms swing out, he bends at the elbows. His hands open and close, his head moves and he has some wiggle in his legs.

== Talky Toy Tips ==

Didn't know about the clip-the-jaws-open trick before reading this. I'm not sure if I'll find it visually pleasing enough to utilize, but it's interesting to find out.

As for gabby Mixmaster, yeah, if you move him in any way in vehicle mode (or bump the surface on which he's sitting, or sometimes just look at him funny), his sound gimmick will go off. For some reason, however, mine seems a lot less talky in Devastator-head mode. Once you click the rear of the vehicle into place underneath it, switching the sound gimmick to robot mode, it isn't nearly as sensitive, and it's even less so once Mixmaster is plugged into place as part of Devastator.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:58, 25 December 2009 (EST)

== Argos ==

I didn't mean to imply that Argos had the UK exclusive. However it's definitely on sale, today, in Argos. Whether they have the exclusive or not is rather orthogonal. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 16:46, 24 January 2010 (EST)

== Larger Legends class ==

There is a larger Legends class Devastator toy that, apart from the size, appears to be identical to the original. It is being sold on Ebay here http://preview.tinyurl.com/y9nzhgy
Should this go in?[[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 14:07, 22 February 2010 (EST)
:No. Because it's a bootleg. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:13, 22 February 2010 (EST)
::Ah, thought so.[[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 13:43, 23 February 2010 (EST)

== Another Devastator render? ==

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/274497-can-someone-post-some-high-res-screen-shots-119.html

Go to the post by TFW member SKowl. He claims it was from BotCon 2009. Think this could go on the page, like in the trivia section? Just something I thought I'd share. {{unsigned|70.253.134.107}}

== help with my lego devastor project ==

as i said on my home page im making lego devastator ive done the head torso and right arm already but i dont have enough parts for the legs and the other arm so give me SPARE PARTS!!! ([[User:Manmcmanman|Manmcmanman]] 13:26, 17 February 2011 (EST))
oh and as an after thought sorry about what i said on the mixmaster(ROTF)talk

Talk:Devastator (ROTF)

2011-02-17T18:26:30Z

Manmcmanman: /* help with my lego devastor project */ new section

== Seven vehicles ==
Paramount listing mention 7 constructicons vehicles, Overload is the not-mentioned-before seventh one:
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/04/01/tranformers-2-robots-announced/ --[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 17:33, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
:Can we put somewhere on this page a link to either the seven Constructicons or the group page?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:04, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

: A leaked image of legends class construction group even cofirms it...and might i add that they actualy combine into devastator?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 05:47, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
::Not to us though. You just said a ''leaked'' image of the Constructicons, we only use ''confirmed'' news about this stuff (Hasbro, Wal-Mart, Target, etc.). Until then, Devastator only has six components.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I withdraw my previous statement.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:57, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

Was the Paramount listing officially released? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:54, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:06, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

I gather [http://tformers.com/transformers-takara-announces-revenge-of-the-fallen-transformable-legends-devastator-combiner/11492/news.html Takara] has an upcoming toy that makes the whole thing ''much'' clearer.

Can someone who is ''not'' me use this to add altmodes to the list of names? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:56, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

* 2010 for Legends class? Say it ain't so! [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:42, 13 June 2009 (EDT)

Should Devastator's various toy descriptions be revised? Majorish spoilers: In the film, there are at least two sets of constructicons, as they appear both as induviduals and as Devastator simultaniously, or else shown to be incapacitated to such a degree that the could not be a part of him. More importantly, the ones that form Devastator are not shown to have robot modes of their own.(although the supreme toy is still inacurate since Overload's vehicle is a clear part of Devastator) The acuracy of the figures should not have been brought into question before there was something to compare them to. Simple as that.[[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 18:38, 20 June 2009 (ED

In what stores will Legends Devastator be available in the US? [[Special:Contributions/205.188.117.8|205.188.117.8]] 17:43, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

;Another interview
Micheal Bay confirmed that Devastator is combined from seven vehicles. And, seems each individual is able to transform (Oh...) just like the Legends class. ''Argh''.
http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/9f78f1359c3d0e8c32795a6033cceab2-551.html
:''In the final cut, much of that scene is dominated by CG-animated alien robots, including Devastator — ''the new villain made out of seven individual robots'' who hide in the form of construction equipment. But the flesh-and-blood actors also got to romp on the pyramids.''
--'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 03:28, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::That article was written for ''USA Today'', it is not a quote from Bay, and as the film shows, Devy is made of more than seven vehicles, his right hand is separate from his arm, plus there's a blue and yellow dump truck that shows up above the pit he combines in. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 19:04, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

==Blind packaged?==
Where has it been stated that the EZ Constructicons would be blind-packed in Japan? The other EZ guys are, but that seems to be a different assortment to the Constructicons, who were shown in US Legends-like packaging once at some show, and at least HLJ is selling them separately. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 12:15, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:They will be blind packed as it would be seriously stupid to sell them so you know exactly what you get when each case contains a case figure. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:28, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::In what sense is it "seriously stupid"? It's logical, and perhaps inevitable, given that the rest of the EZ Collection are blind-packed, but it's not a dumb question for Mazenoise to ask. Devastator's a combiner. Even non-collectors are going to want to catch them all in that instance. If they're blind-packed, that's going to be a nightmare. (I'm still figuring the number of packs you'd need to buy to get even a 50/50 chance of completing the set.) Of course, given the relative crappiness of some of the Legends Constructicons, if they're not blind packed then the distribution will shift in favour of pegwarmers over time, which would ''also'' be unfavourable for people trying to complete the set. [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 07:11, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::I meant it would be stupid if they weren't blind packed as that way you would know what you get so you could easily pick the rare case figure. And these aren't part of the normal EZ collection but of a special Devastator set, each case contains 3.5 Devastators and a case figure.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 09:20, 5 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Ah, got you, I misunderstood you. So we're on the same page then. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 10:35, 5 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::So turns out their not blindpacked. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 08:06, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::Everyone's a winner! [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:19, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

== Voiced? ==

Unless I missed something else the second time I watched the movie, that is not Devastator speaking, it is Megatron announcing/shouting to him. So Devastator doesn't speak, just roars.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:55, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:Welker often does... less verbose critters, where he just growls or makes animal sounds. There's a few he's even famous for.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:59, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::I think he voised him in the game and the voise-box of the toy.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 08:25, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

== Film-specific transformation? ==

Okay, I know the toys can only approximate the live-action design, but Devastator's combination doesn't seem to be at all consistent. To ''start'' with, the shots of the construction vehicles arriving in the canyon are off; Scrapper and Hightower are on Mixmaster's right and Overload's on his left, with Scavenger behind the other vehicles, and Rampage and Long Haul on a higher-level cliff edge. When the combination starts, however, Scrapper's on the left of Scavenger, Mixmaster is in front of the others and Overload seems to have completely disappeared. Maybe the big D ''is'' a six-Con combiner after all?

It gets worse when, from what I can tell, Rampage (who's actually on ground level along with Long Haul) apparently gets picked up by Hightower to become D's ''left hand''. What the hell forms the left leg, then? Did Overload switch jobs and colour scheme when nobody was looking? I'd seriously appreciate some help in a consensus on what happened. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 07:51, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
::It all just got swallowed into a writhing mass of metal, and reemerged where it should have been all along, apparently.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 20:22, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, the set-up scene with the vehicles driving up was wrong, but set that aside. Overload does not, in any way, form part of Devastator! Rampage transforms wrong, he transforms like Scavenger, with his scoop breaking into three pieces. Devastator's left arm (which already has Hightower attached) slams down on top of Rampage to form... a longer arm. You also don't see Long Haul actually attach to Devastator, but he does begin his transformation sequence. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:58, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Hightower does not slam down on top of Rampage to complete the arm. That is a [[Unknown Constructicon shovel|completely different vehicle mode and Transformer]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:20, 21 January 2010 (EST)
On the left of hightower you see zee little on once the transformation starts.

== Non-individual transformation ==

I've read the Battle bio, but I haven't read the Movie Universe Ultimate Guide. I'd like to know what is written about Devastator's entry in the book because I think "In the film, none of the components of Devastator are shown as individual Transformers. This would justify why the components of the Constructicon Devastator playset to have no individual humanoid modes" is still notable. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:08, 22 July 2009 (EDT)
:"Did you know? ... The individual intellects of the six Constructicons are largely lost during the combination process." [http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/07/ask-orci-final-edition.html Roberto Orci was also asked about it] and said, "I suppose since we didn't commit either way, I wouldn't want to tie the hands of future writers with my non-canon opinion." So the writers didn't commit either way, which means the work of "future writers" settles the matter. So far that means the battle bio and The Movie Universe. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:22, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

::So it seems safe to add back only "In the film, none of Devastator's components are shown as individual Transformers. This would(might) justify why the components of his Supereme class toy to have no individual humanoid modes.", since the note doesn't mention any speculation whether Devastator is not a combiner or any suggestion which contradicts to the bio. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 08:39, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

== Wrecking balls? ==

Those are overhaul balls! The one had a hook on it. That's a major clue, because a hook on a wrecking ball would quickly become scrap.

They're not for demolition; they're to make sure the relatively light hook goes down smoothly when lowered.

Those where maybe hightowers and he also seems to be part dragon

== Two Rampages form Devastator? ==

That is a good catch if it is true. I didn't notice. Can it be confirmed that two Rampages formed Devastator in the film? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:59, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:And what is Overload's bullet? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:01, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Overload's bullet specifies that it's not always a part of Devastator in every medium. If the twin Rampage thing turns out to be true ''for the movie'', it needs to have the same qualification to it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 23:10, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:Don't know how canonical it is, but one of Devastator's promotional art pieces (http://idigitalcitizen.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/1440x960-devastator-specs.jpg) definitely has two sets of treads in the left leg - one as the foot, one up in the knee, and comparing the size of the treads to the leg itself it'd need two Rampages to have that much mass. I haven't seen a good enough shot of his leg in any other media to confirm this. Should it be three, though? It definitely seemed like a third Rampage became the left hand. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 18:56, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
::That same piece of art labels the left leg as "Rampage component" (singular). I'm not sure who originally wrote that there were two Rampages or why, but I think it is because in the movie Transformation sequence Rampage forms part of the left arm along with Hightower. It is not shown where Devastator gets his left leg but presumably it is (also) Rampage. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:27, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
:That bit for the knee doesn't look like the same kind of tread, though. It could be an unwrapped wheel, like with Scrapper.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 23:46, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
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Well, i studyed it and I found something. Lets look on it when Construcitons arrive to canyon. Lets take it from Scavengers view as the center.
- Mixmaster is in front of him. Thats right.
- Hightower in on left side, thats right too.
- Scrapper is on right side along with Overload, but farrer like Hightower. When he arrive he is behind Overload but then he is in front of overload.
- Overload is on right side behind Scrapper.
- Long Haul is there twice!!! Because he isnt only on higher ground, but ALSO near Simmons and Leo.
- Rampage is on high ground along with one Long Haul.

So now we got there 8 Constructicons in the pit!!! Now transformations:

- Scavenger becomes body.
- Mixmaster becomes head combined with Scavenger (red).
- Hightower becomes left arm, but attachs "something" as its fist.
- Scrapper becomes "probably" right arm.
- Overload dissappears.
- Long Haul becames very quickly right leg.
- Rampage becomes quickly left leg.

So now there are only 2 Constructicons!!! What happened to Overload and second Long Haul? And also when he arrives he is also behind Overload AND on left side from Mixmaster. So there are 9 Constructicons. Now i will say my theory.

- Scavenger and Mixmaster are obvious.
- Hightower attach second Scrapper as his fist.
- First Scrapper becomes a right fist when Overload attach him.
- Overload became right arm.
- One Long Haul jump from the cliff and form right leg.
- Rampage also jump from the cliff and make left leg.

This explain some things, but still I dont know what exactly happened to second Long Haul near Twins and Simmons (and Leo)... hmmm. And if you really want to know that, why you simply dont send Email to Paramount, Hasbro or that other company r directly to Michael Bay how it really is with Devastator. Like his "balls", they should be from Hightower, but how something from his arm could be in his pelvis? [[User:V.Metalic|V.Metalic]] 20:10, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

== Supreme Class Constructicon Devastator==
The second Supreme Class Devastator is impossible to find information about online. Does anyone know if this is a toy that is going to be released, or has it already been out? It looks like it is made up of the Legends Class figures, so does one have to buy all of the Legend Class vehicles to make Devastator? [[User:Fergalicious|Fergalicious]] 01:53, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:Um, what second Supreme Class Devastator?[[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:17, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
::I know what Fergalicious means. It's not a Supreme Class, it's just made of the Legends Constructicons. The size is really closer a Deluxe, if I'm right. [[User:Fallen13|Fallen13]] 20:02, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
::: Oh, right, the Legends ones. Yeah, it's out in Japan as a selection of EZ Collection Constructicons which you can collect and combine, but Hasbro's suggested that it'll bring them to the US (at the very least) as a store exclusive next year, containing all 7 Constructicons. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 17:49, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

==Page protection==

Is this page still meant to be protected? [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 05:08, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:Surely it can be unprotected by now![[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 14:51, 22 January 2010 (EST)

==Required components==

Couldn't it be possible that some of Devastator's components aren't ''required'' for combination, they're just extra parts that augment him internally to make him extra powerful. Also, the fact that there are a bunch of duplicates of his components would make it possible that there are lots of Devastators, wouldn't it. Correct me if I'm wrong. {{unsigned|70.100.242.133|12:33, November 6, 2009 (EST)}}
:You are basically right. It is possible. See [http://unicron-events-interviews.blogspot.com/2009/10/hasbro-q-10212009.html Hasbro's answer] to the question (#2). "...there are a race of Transformers called Combiners that are not limited to one form or method of combining. Needless to say, there are a lot of things that can happen within this and other races of Transformers." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:45, 6 November 2009 (EST)

==Legends Class Poseablity==
"The only real drawback he has is that he almost has no articulation."
To be fair, he has about as much articulation as the G1 Devastator, and he holds together better. His arms swing out, he bends at the elbows. His hands open and close, his head moves and he has some wiggle in his legs.

== Talky Toy Tips ==

Didn't know about the clip-the-jaws-open trick before reading this. I'm not sure if I'll find it visually pleasing enough to utilize, but it's interesting to find out.

As for gabby Mixmaster, yeah, if you move him in any way in vehicle mode (or bump the surface on which he's sitting, or sometimes just look at him funny), his sound gimmick will go off. For some reason, however, mine seems a lot less talky in Devastator-head mode. Once you click the rear of the vehicle into place underneath it, switching the sound gimmick to robot mode, it isn't nearly as sensitive, and it's even less so once Mixmaster is plugged into place as part of Devastator.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:58, 25 December 2009 (EST)

== Argos ==

I didn't mean to imply that Argos had the UK exclusive. However it's definitely on sale, today, in Argos. Whether they have the exclusive or not is rather orthogonal. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 16:46, 24 January 2010 (EST)

== Larger Legends class ==

There is a larger Legends class Devastator toy that, apart from the size, appears to be identical to the original. It is being sold on Ebay here http://preview.tinyurl.com/y9nzhgy
Should this go in?[[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 14:07, 22 February 2010 (EST)
:No. Because it's a bootleg. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:13, 22 February 2010 (EST)
::Ah, thought so.[[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 13:43, 23 February 2010 (EST)

== Another Devastator render? ==

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/274497-can-someone-post-some-high-res-screen-shots-119.html

Go to the post by TFW member SKowl. He claims it was from BotCon 2009. Think this could go on the page, like in the trivia section? Just something I thought I'd share. {{unsigned|70.253.134.107}}

== help with my lego devastor project ==

as i said on my home page im making lego devastator ive done the head torso and right arm already but i dont have enough parts for the legs and the other arm so give me SPARE PARTS!!! ([[User:Manmcmanman|Manmcmanman]] 13:26, 17 February 2011 (EST))

Egypt

2011-02-17T14:06:39Z

Manmcmanman: /* The Headmasters cartoon */

[[Image:ROTF Optimus sphinx.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Damn tourists.]]
Ah, '''Egypt''', cradle of human civilization, birthplace of culture, writing and art!

It is home to the [[pyramid]]s! 2,500 years ago, these structures were the most ancient of the [[Wikipedia:Wonders of the World|Seven Wonders of the World]], and they are the only one of the Seven that still exist today.

(They attract craziness like you wouldn't believe.)

==Fiction==
===Generation 1===

====''Condor-Verlag Transformers Comic-Magazin''====
[[Stealth]] and Goldbug flew to Egypt to investigate the mystery of the pyramids, discovering that there was Cybertronian influence in their construction. {{storylink|Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 18|The Curse of the Pyramids}}

====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====

As part of a grand plan to destroy the Earth, [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] placed a mighty "Death Tower" of [[crysmag metal]] in Cairo. (Spoiler: <Earth wasn't destroyed.) There was a clash with Scorponok and his forces there. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}

====''Masterforce'' cartoon====
Decepticon [[Pretender]] [[Blood]] was sealed away in Ancient Egypt, but would later escape. {{storylink|Terror! The Decepticons' Manhunt}}

====''Masterforce'' comic====
[[Grand]] implied that the [[Pyramid]] has connection to the [[Pretender]]s.{{storylink|Great Turn-Around! Autobots}}

===Robots in Disguise===

The last of the [[O-Part]]s was found in Egypt. {{storylink|A Friendly Contest}} Following that, it was worked out the [[Orb of Sigma]] was located in Egypt's deserts, and the Autobots rapidly high-tailed it there, eventually finding it in a pyramid. {{storylink|Peril from the Past}}

===Unicron Trilogy===

In the peaceful inter-war period, the Autobots built [[Desert City]] in Egypt. {{storylink|Unicron Trilogy guidebooks}}

===Revenge of the Fallen===
Around 17,000 BC, [[The Fallen]] was in Egypt (which was then a green, fertile valley) organising the building of a [[solar harvester]]. The other [[Seven Primes|Primes]] took pity on the primitive [[human]]s and stole the [[Matrix of Leadership]] that powered the harvester, thereby rendering it useless and saving the planet. Many years later, the humans built the [[Great Pyramid of Giza]] over the harvester. {{storylink|Defiance issue 2}}

In 2009 AD, [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] took [[Sam Witwicky]], [[Mikaela Banes]], [[Seymour Simmons]], [[Leo Spitz]], [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]], [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] to <s>[[Wikipedia:Wadi Rum|Wadi Rum]]</s> Egypt (which had assumed its more familiar desert appearance by that point) via a [[space bridge]]. The group stayed at the [[pyramid]]s, where Sam figured out the [[Tomb of the Primes]] and the Matrix was hidden in [[Petra]], [[Jordan]]. Simmons got past the border authorities, who were ordered to arrest Sam after The Fallen put the price of humanity's existence on his head, by passing them off as his family: it also turned out the border guard had visited [[New York City]], where Simmons noted he was from, and liked the place.

[[Image:Rotf t2 egyptpyramids.jpg|thumb|250px|Too big for [[United Kingdom|England]] to steal.]]
After finding the Matrix, the group returned to the pyramids, where [[NEST]] and the Decepticons had landed in a nearby town, readying for [[Operation: Firestorm|battle]]. [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] emerged in a quarry and climbed up the pyramid to excavate the harvester, while [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] and [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]] clones attempted to claim the Matrix from Sam. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] had jammed NEST's phone signals, but Simmons retrieved a radio from a downed Jordanian helicopter which he used to order the [[United States Navy#U.S.S. Kidd (DDG-100)|USS ''Kidd'']] to fire her experimental [[Wikipedia:railgun|railgun]] on Devastator, and to get reinforcements. Sam was able to resurrect Optimus with the Matrix before The Fallen snatched it and powered his machine. Optimus and Jetfire combined and blew up the harvester before finally killing The Fallen. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)}}

==External links==
* [[Wikipedia:Egypt|Egypt at Wikipedia]]

[[Category:Africa]]
[[Category:Countries of Earth]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen locations]]

Lugnut (Animated)

2011-02-17T14:00:24Z

Manmcmanman: /* Notes */

{{factions|decepticon}}
{{disambigr|Lugnut|other characters called Lugnut|Lugnut (disambiguation)}}

:''Lugnut is a glorious [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:LugnutPromoModel.jpg|right|300px|thumb|The secret (GLORIOUS!) love child of Shockwave and Omega Supreme.]]
If mighty [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] were to command '''Lugnut''' to jump, the powerful Decepticon would be in the upper atmosphere long before his master could specify how high. In Lugnut's optics, bold, heroic Megatron embodies the Decepticon cause, and his devotion is total. It's easy to misinterpret Lugnut’s blind zeal for a lack of overall processing power, but this is not the case. Although he isn't much of a thinker or planner, Lugnut does not care, for wise Megatron is brilliant enough for a thousand Decepticons. His master makes the plans, and Lugnut carries them out. However, that blind loyalty is his weakness. Although innovative on the battle field, he does little thinking about anything else.

Besides his compulsion to serve Megatron, the only other driving force in his programming is to destroy the Autobots. Renowned throughout Cybertron as one of the most destructive fighters for the Decepticon cause, Lugnut has no time or patience for contemplation or strategy when he could just as easily level an entire Autobot battalion with a single [[Punch of Kill Everything|explosive punch]]. He knows that his unparalleled strength, endurance, and seemingly limitless missile payload is enough to serve glorious, bold, fresh-scented, bright and shiny MEGATRON! Autobots that know him know the only way to survive a fight with him is to stay clear of his path.

He will only keep company with Decepticons who are as loyal to the grand and imperious Megatron as he is. Traitors and disgraces such as [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] and [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] are not worthy of mention, let alone being in the presence of the glorious Megatron. Granted, even magnanimous Megatron himself can get a little tired of Lugnut's praises, but he keeps it to himself, lest Lugnut should lose faith in mighty Megatron.

He is also [[Strika (Animated)|Strika's]] "consort", whatever that means.
{{bigquote|I believe only two things: The Decepticons will rule Cybertron, and Megatron will rule the Decepticons!|Lugnut, Megatron loyalist|"[[Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
{{Idw-tfa}}
:''Voice actor:'' [[David Kaye]] (English), [[Kentarō Itō]] (Japanese), [[Uwe Jellinek]] (German), [[Pietro Ubaldi]] (Italian), [[Antônio Moreno]] (Portuguese, only one episode), [[Carlos Campanile]] (Portuguese), [[Marco Antonio Espina]] (Latin American Spanish)

[[Image:LugnutsPrayer LostandFound.jpg|left|225px|thumb|In glorious Megatron's name we get down on our knees and we start to pray til the tears run down from our eyes, LORD!]]
At some point in the past, Lugnut got a call from [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]], who had infiltrated [[Autobot boot camp]], and allowed him to report to Megatron. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}} Many, many years later, Lugnut was on board the [[Nemesis (Animated)|''Nemesis'']] with [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]], [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]], [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] and [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] when they discovered the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]]. Doubting that it was near, Starscream insulted Megatron (out of the latter's presence, of course) as a fool who was chasing a ghost. Furious, Lugnut leapt in and roared at the "traitor" about how Megatron would lead the Decepticons to a new age. Blackarachnia mocked him, asking if the speech was memorized or just hardwired into his one-track processor. Blitzwing indirectly defended Lugnut by insulting Blackarachnia, but soon burst into song, prompting all the Decepticons to argue until the entry of Megatron silenced them. Later, when it became clear the ''Nemesis'' was going to crash into an exploding space bridge, Lugnut showed uncharacteristic intelligence by fleeing in an escape pod. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}}

''Lugnut and Blitzwing, upon leaving the warship, returned to [[New Kaon]]. Lugnut, refusing to believe that Megatron was offline, destroyed a statue Blitzwing had made in memory of their fallen leader. Blitzwing was not pleased.'' {{storylink|Dispatches}}

''After finding out Blitzwing had made arrangements with a [[Lockdown (Animated)|bounty hunter]] in order to locate and exact revenge on the Autobots, Lugnut was furious. His fury (along with Blitzwing's responding fury) were taken advantage of by an [[Swindle (Animated)|unscrupulous arms dealer]] seeking to make a profit off the two in a never-ending escalating arms race. Things ended poorly for said arms dealer, however, once Lugnut and Blitzwing caught on to the fact they were both being played. {{storylink|Everything Must Go}} (Although odds are, if Lugnut had known just [[Punch of Kill Everything|what Blitzwing had offered Lockdown]], he may not have been so forgiving).'' {{storylink|A Few Loose Strands}}

''When the Allspark gave off the radiation burst during Prime and Starscream's battle, the signal served as a beacon, the Decepticons on New Kaon picking up the signal. Lugnut took this as evidence his leader was still online.'' {{storylink|Dispatches|The Arrival issue 1}}

[[Image:Lugnutfist.JPG|right|175px|thumb|FALCON PUNCH!]]
After arriving on [[Earth|Earth's]] [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], Lugnut and Blitzwing discovered the ''Nemesis'', near where Blitzwing mentioned that [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] had last reported. Lugnut did not care for the bounty hunter or his mission, for he still believed that Megatron was alive. Heading to Earth, the two crash landed at a construction site, where Lugnut interrogated a crane on Megatron's whereabouts with little success. After randomly destroying everything in sight, Lugnut and Blitzwing had a battle with the Autobots. Utilizing his back-mounted missile arsenal, Lugnut easily outgunned the Autobots himself, and was able to throw [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] around like he was nothing. When he demanded to know where Megatron was, [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] mentioned that he was reduced to a "fireball somewhere over Cleveland". Screaming "Megatron lives", Lugnut knocked out the Autobots with his [[Punch of Kill Everything]] (at which Blitzwing said he had told Lugnut "a thousand times" to warn him before using), which convinced Megatron that Lugnut could be trusted. He contacted only Lugnut, who, in his eagerness, dragged a confused Blitzwing away from the fight. Blitzwing thought that Lugnut had finally overheated his motherboard and headbutted him, who responded in kind and sent Blitzwing plummeting straight smack dab in the middle of a military base. When they heard police cars approaching, Blitzwing suggested that they lay low to determine their strengths, but Lugnut planned to slaughter them ''en masse''. Annoyed Megatron told him to shut up and get a disguise.

That evening Megatron contacted Lugnut, uploading a sample of the [[AllSpark Key]]'s energy signature, and instructed him to use it to find the AllSpark itself, which would restore Megatron. Heading for [[Lake Erie]], the two Decepticons tracked down the [[Teletran-1|Autobots' ship]]. Once they'd followed the Autobots below its surface, Lugnut showed remarkable intelligence by being reluctant to enter the underwater smokescreen [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] had created, although he still entered to follow Blitzwing. Obscured by kicked-up dust, his targeting systems still found a body in the haze. Pleased that his targeting sensors had not failed him, he fired – on Blitzwing. The Autobots seemed to have the upper hand when Lugnut again displayed unexpected smarts by transforming and using his jet thrusters to blow away the obscuring dirt. Unfortunately for him and Blitzwing, just as they were going destroy the Autobots, [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] and [[Sari Sumdac]] brought the weapon systems of the Autobots' ship online. The two Decepticons were blasted to the shores of Lake Erie in several pieces, severing Megatron's radio link with Lugnut and thus leaving the poor lunk to believe that his master had forsaken him. The next morning, Starscream appeared and promised to repair them – if they swore loyalty to him. {{storylink|Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found}}

[[Image:Megatron Rising Starscream on Lugnut.JPG|left|175px|thumb|Keep trying, Lugnut. Keep trying.]]
For reasons beyond understanding, Lugnut agreed to Starscream's request, or at least paid lip service to him, but was quick to remind the upstart that they served him not by choice. However, when Megatron contacted him, Lugnut immediately repledged himself to Megatron. The Decepticon leader told Lugnut to locate the AllSpark Key and bring it to him. Taking it from Ratchet, they flew to [[Sumdac Tower]], where Lugnut blabbed the whole Decepticon thing to [[Isaac Sumdac]], forcing him to kneel to Megatron. Now that he knew Lugnut wasn't totally bonkers (like him), Blitzwing used the Key to help Megatron repair his body and restore him. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 1}}

[[Image:TFA Megatron Rising Lugnut boom.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Looks like Team Decepticon is blasting off again!]]
As Megatron proceeded to beat up the Autobots, Blitzwing and Lugnut decided not to intervene, but to keep an eye on Professor Sumdac. When Megatron called his loyal troops to him, Lugnut prostrated himself before his master, where he briefly found himself humiliated by Starscream, but then got to look on as Megatron made an example of the schemer. The Decepticons took to the air, locating and attacking the Autobots' ship as it travelled from the lake to the Tower, then from the Tower to [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]], where it was shot down. Bulkhead leapt into the air and [[Jet judo|Jet-Judo'd]] Lugnut, and the two landed in the forest. Although Lugnut was the physically stronger of the pair and tossed Bulkhead around like a beach ball, his zeal let him down. He prepared to use his explosive punch...and Bulkhead slammed the ignition point with his wrecking ball, causing a powerful explosion that defeated the brute. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 2}}

After the battle with Bulkhead, Lugnut helped the Decepticons set up a base in a mine, even though his left arm kept falling off. Not realizing that the mine's carbon deposits shielded their energy signatures from Autobot detection, Lugnut did not understand why they had to hide. He was even more confused by Megatron's plan to conquer Cybertron, but this didn't prevent him from hitting a doubting Blitzwing. Things became clearer to Lugnut when Megatron said that they would use [[space bridge]] technology, one of the two reasons they lost the Great War, to reach and conquer Cybertron. First, they needed Isaac Sumdac, who had been captured by Megatron, in order to reverse-engineer the missing pieces of the space bridge data Megatron had copied. When a servant-bot in Sumdac's enclosure malfunctioned, Lugnut accused the professor of sabotaging Megatron's plans. However, he backed down at the behest of Megatron, who learned the servant-bot had acted as it did because it had a fragment of the AllSpark in its circuits. {{storylink|The Elite Guard}}
[[Image:Lugnutkick.JPG|left|200px|thumb|The dancing lessons weren't going that well!]]
Lugnut and Blitzwing were sent by Megatron to steal a tachyon generator from the [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]]'s ship. Lugnut was able to acquire the generator, when Starscream appeared and tried to destroy Megatron. After the Decepticon leader offlined him, Lugnut confirmed that Starscream was dead. After all, there was no spark in his spark chamber, so he had to be dead. Despite this, Starscream kept coming back and trying to kill Megatron, and Lugnut spent the rest of the night repeatedly throwing his corpse into a river. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}

[[Image:GarbageInGarbageOut-Wreck-GarandLugnutwithaxe.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Stop! Hammertime!]]
When Lugnut later detected an AllSpark fragment, Megatron sent him to retrieve it, partially to be rid of his sycophantic subject for a while. Discovering it in a garbage truck, Lugnut believed it was being transported by a human. He was thus surprised when the truck transformed into a robot named [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]]. The simple-minded robot soon confused poor Lugnut with his habit of mirroring what was being said to him, so Lugnut came to believe that Wreck-Gar was a Decepticon like him. Pleased that the new Transformer was a Decepticon, Lugnut celebrated the discovery with a resounding cry of "All hail Megatron!" Wreck-Gar followed suit...then asked who Megatron was.

When the Autobots arrived and verbally accosted Wreck-Gar, Lugnut came out of hiding and prepared to use his bomb punch on Ratchet. Wreck-Gar then responded to the threatened use of the Punch of Kill Everything with the [[universal greeting]]...and a high-five. Despite the premature detonation, Lugnut was left unharmed, but grew increasingly impatient with Wreck-Gar's lack of comprehension. Attempting to attack the Autobots, he took off in plane mode with Wreck-Gar still on his back. However, when Wreck-Gar caused his tail/mace to become infected with matter-eating microbots, Lugnut panicked and demanded that Wreck-Gar get the microbots off him. The obliging robot responded by simply unscrewing Lugnut's tail assembly, leaving Lugnut rather unsteady in the air. {{storylink|Garbage In, Garbage Out}}

Later on, Lugnut was sent with Blitzwing to recover parts for Megatron's new space bridge, and the two began stealing caches of construction materials. During one such raid, the Autobots became involved, and Lugnut's singlemindedness meant that he practically ignored Bumblebee's stinger attack, not even slowing down until a pipe fell in his path and sent him falling. He then departed in his bomber mode to unload the material. Sometime later, he and Blitzwing began moving two huge containers of heavy supplies, and Lugnut was most offended when Blitzwing noted how Megatron was curiously absent when they were moving such heavy equipment. Soon afterward, they encountered the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]]. Lugnut was suspicious of these newly created machines, but Blitzwing convinced him to allow them to do the heavy lifting until they reached base, at which point they would eliminate the two newcomers. At base, Blitzwing kept them distracted so Lugnut could activate his rocket punch, but at the last second, Megatron told him to stop. Unfortunately, this caused poor Lugnut to lose balance, fall into a cave and detonate his weapon in his own face. Ever the trooper, he tersely acknowledged he was still all right. {{storylink|Rise of the Constructicons}}

Soon after the space bridge was near completion, the Autobots found the Decepticons' hideout and attempted to stop them. Lugnut and Blitzwing attacked the Autobots invading their underground base, but they ended up getting stasis-cuffed by [[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]]. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}}

Lugnut was soon freed by the Constructicons and cheered when Megatron announced they'd be invading Cybertron via space bridge, but was interrupted by the invading Autobot ship. When given the task of stopping [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]], Lugnut remarked that the large Autobot's size was no match for their leader's glory. This inspired [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]] to attack Omega's legs. Lugnut attempted to stop Omega Supreme by firing his entire missile supply at the enormous Autobot. Instead, he was blown away by Omega's lasers. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}}

[[Image:Three'saCrowdLugnutPrime.jpg|right|thumb|200px|[[wikipedia:I've fallen and I can't get up!|I've fallen and I can't get up!]]]]
Lugnut survived the battle, and later was found by the Autobots after Professor Sumdac disabled the Decepticon signal dampers. He attacked, demanding the whereabouts of Megatron and creating the world's biggest pothole in the road. After a brief battle, the Autobots managed to [[Stasis cuff|cuff]] him, but found he was too heavy for them to pull out. When Bulkhead sent a distress call, Prime decided Lugnut wasn't going anywhere and went to rescue Bulkhead. Upon returning, however, they found the pit empty and Lugnut out of scanner range. He had been freed by the [[Ramjet (Animated)|honest-as-the-day-is-long Starscream clone]], who wholeheartedly promised Lugnut he'd never reveal his humiliating defeat to Megatron. What a guy. {{storylink|Three's a Crowd}}

Later, Lugnut was captured by Lockdown and given to [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] in exchange for energon and parts, along with Blitzwing, [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]] and the [[Ramjet (Animated)|lying]] and [[Sunstorm (Animated)|sycophantic]] Starscream clones.{{storylink|Five Servos of Doom}}

[[Image:TFAni Decepticon Air Lugnut Megatron.jpg|thumb|left|200px|It is an honor to serve as mighty Megatron's [[Wikipedia:Garfield|Garfield]] window sticker. Inside or outside of the ship.]]
Their capture did not last long, however, as Sentinel Prime steered the Elite Guard's ship into a stormy nebula, creating a chain reaction which freed Swindle from his transformation lock. When Lugnut ordered him to release the others in the name of the glorious Megatron, Swindle was happy to oblige on behalf of his best customer. The freed Decepticons then made short work of the "Elite" Autobots, but not before Sentinel had sent an SOS to Optimus Prime.

When Optimus arrived, he led the Decepticons on a run-around, eventually freeing the captured Autobots. Their attempt to escape led Lugnut to [[Punch of Kill Everything|POKE]] a hole in the ship, venting everyone in the room into space, where the Autobots were more limited than the flying Decepticons. Lugnut ordered his comrades to Transform and Rise Up, and they attacked, but ultimately Lugnut was thrown clear of the battle when Optimus used Sentinel as a bludgeon to knock him away...leading to Lugnut being picked up by the glorious Megatron in Omega Supreme. {{storylink|Decepticon Air}}

[[Image:TFA-ThisIsWhyIHateMachines-LugnutRagesStarscreamPlots.jpg|thumb|200px|Let the butt-kissing contest begin!]]
Brought inside Omega Supreme, Lugnut recovered a transwarp cell, allowing Megatron to regain control of the ship. Lugnut was quick to point Megatron's numerous achievements to a moaning Starscream, explaining how they now both had the freedom to come and go as they pleased and had regained the ability to transform Omega. However, Lugnut was annoyed when Shockwave joined their crew, which wasn't helped by Megatron referring to Shockwave as "my most loyal servant". Lugnut's inner rage was noted by an amused Starscream. {{storylink|This Is Why I Hate Machines}}

As Shockwave tried to recover the Omega activation codes from Arcee, Starscream egged Lugnut about Shockwave being Megatron's new lapdog. Lugnut easily fell for it, starting an epic butt-kissing, ego-pissing contest between the two purple giants while Starscream sneaked back to the ''Nemesis''. Megatron eventually got the two separated and sent them to start building three [[Lugnut Supreme|clones of Omega Supreme]]. Shockwave later tore the activation codes from Arcee, and when Starscream tried to interfere again, Lugnut loyally leapt to his master's aid—just as Megatron was planning. Lugnut became the template for the three new Decepticon war machines and almost wagged his tail at being chosen for such an honor. Shockwave then discovered that there was a missing security patch, requiring Lugnut to be wired into Omega Supreme for the "Lugnuts Supreme" to be operational, so Lugnut had to remain on the Moon while the purple ships themselves flew to Earth with Megatron aboard. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}}

Lugnut guided the Omega Supreme clones to Earth, where he continued to congratulate his great and glorious leader. Megatron was a little...impatient...with this and asked Shockwave if there was a way the Supremes could be controlled without Lugnut's worshipping. Shockwave took great pleasure in informing his commander there was no other way (showing that he still held his little rivalry with Luggy). After taking a pounding from Prime (armed with the Magnus Hammer), the Lugnut Supremes crash-landed on Dinobot Island. Megatron ordered Lugnut to return them back to the Moon, but Lugnut regretfully informed him the clones were too damaged to fly. The Autobots eventually managed to regain control of Omega Supreme, who then chucked Lugnut off his control chair and out the back of the giant robot, causing him to go bouncing away along the Moon's surface. The Autobots then captured Lugnut and took him back to Cybertron alongside Megatron and Shockwave so they could face justice for their crimes.
{{storylink| Endgame, Part II}}

===''Animated'' shorts===
As [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] heckled [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] during a rousing speech, Lugnut looked on in utter horror until Megatron eventually dispatched Starscream straight through a wall. The sight of such brutality caused Lugnut to wince. {{storylink|Starscream Heckles Megatron}}

Later, Lugnut used his [[Punch of Kill Everything|Punch of Kill Everything]] to create gigantic craters in a forest. As it turns out, he was helping [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] build a new Decepticon swimming pool, but the lunatic couldn't settle on where it should be located, forcing Lugnut to explode things over and over ''and over''. {{storylink|Explosive Fist}}

===Titan Magazines===
[[Image:Lugnut_stick.JPG|right|150px|thumb|A stick?! What happened to your mace?!]]

Lugnut was part of Megatron's assault on the Autobot base and got beaten very quickly off panel. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 24|Megatron's Revenge}}

He later went along with [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]]'s plan of isolating and terminating a lone Autobot. He was ''very'' eager to be the one who got to break the captive, including ''ripping a stalactite off a cave roof'' so he could use it as a stick to [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]'s pinata. (He did wonder if it was too small a stick, though.) Unfortunately for Lugnut, the tracer used to track [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] was whacked onto his "robo-butt" (no, really, Lugnut said that) and this, along with him mega-bombing a cave roof, led to the Decepticon's defeat.

[[Image:Lugnut robobutt.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Sometimes the captions write themselves.]]

Lugnut also admitted to Blitzwing that he's scared of the dark. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 25|The Race}}

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===''The Cool'' comic===

Lugnut joined [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]] in an assault on [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]] for nefarious purposes unknown. As Soundwave kept the Autobots occupied with his sonic attacks, Lugnut dropped a payload of bombs on them, remarking that all who crawl beneath him are his inferiors. Suddenly, he was knocked out of the sky by a low from [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]], who continued to battle him on the ground. As the rest of the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobot]]s showed up, Lugnut realized they were outnumbered and ordered a retreat. {{storylink|The Cool issue 3|The Cool #3}}

[[Image:TheCoolSwoopFightsLugnut01.jpg|thumb|200px|right|]]

Later, in [[Detroit]], as [[Blackout (Animated)|Blackout]] found himself on the losing end of a battle with [[Safeguard (Animated)|Safeguard]], Lugnut ordered [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] to retreat, as getting captured would negatively impact their mission for their glorious [[Emperor of Destruction]]. Lugnut then took off, leaving Blackout to his fate. {{storylink|The Cool issue 4|The Cool #4}}

Lugnut was present at [[Sumdac Systems]] headquarters for the revival of Megatron. When [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] offered to destroy the Autobots, Lugnut berated him for attempting to horn in on Megatron's good time. Then [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] swooped in and landed on his head. {{storylink|The Cool issue 5|The Cool #5}}

Lugnut later joined the other Decepticons in intercepting the rogue Starscream from the bounty hunter [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]]. When the "Starscream" they were given turned out to be a bomb, Lugnut and the other Decepticons fled into the sky, only to be caught in the explosion ''anyway'' after [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] launched the clones at them with his rocket packs. {{storylink|The Cool issue 6|The Cool #6}}

During the battle for the Decepticon [[Space Bridge]], Lugnut attempted to keep [[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]] and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] from interfering with Megatron's battle against Optimus Prime. The speedsters proved too much for him, however, and after confusing him with their dashing about and interrupting his [[Punch of Kill Everything]], they slapped a pair of stasis cuffs on him. {{storylink|The Cool issue 7|The Cool #7}}
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==Toys==
===Animated===
[[Image:Lugnut animated toy.JPG|right|300px|thumb|Made tiny in name of the glorious Hasbro toy race!]]
*'''Lugnut''' (Voyager, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TA-15'''
**''Accessories'': Tail assembly/power mace

: Part of the third wave of ''Animated'' Voyager-class toys, Luggy transforms into a big ol' retro-futuristic bomber plane that includes features from many historic designs, including the [[wikipedia:B-25 Mitchell|B-25 Mitchell]] and the [[wikipedia:Heinkel He 111|Heinkel He 111]]. He also suffers from [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] syndrome, as his robot mode is '''tiny''' compared to most Voyagers. A good portion of his vehicle mode transforms into his big-ass "power mace", almost as big as Lugnut himself. He features three [[Autotransformation|Autotransform]] [[gimmick]]s in his head, mace, and hands. The mace connects with a special tab into Lugnut's hand and activates its gimmick: tapping the bottom of the mace on the ground while he holds it causes the engine pods to pop open. Pushing down the area on his back where the mace is stored flips his head up and splits his cockpit halves to the sides of his chest. The small purple tabs on his lower arms open and close his claws in unison. Pushing the mace into one of the hands causes it to close around the mace.

: The mace can also be activated with any Mini-Con figure.

: The figure's paint deco shown in promotional photography and the boxart depicts Lugnut's teal areas with highly metallic, almost silver coloration and a slightly lighter shade of purple. The final figure, however, has a darker purple with an much more show-accurate flat teal with no trace of the metallic colouring.

: There have been reports of his cockpit halves not closing properly in vehicle mode due to an overly tightened screw inside his torso. It cannot be corrected without dismantling the figure. The head automorph area also tends to flop slightly, not staying in place in vehicle mode. It is unknown if future releases will remedy this.

{{picsneeded|Japanese version}}

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/Lugnut/lugnut.htm More information on Lugnut at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:Ani-toy LugnutMcD.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He stands up straight to look good for his master.]]
*'''Lugnut''' (McDonald's Happy Meal Toy)
**''McNumber'': '''6'''

:A simple version of Lugnut with a very simple transformation sequence. You transform him by flipping his back to reveal the head, bringing down the missiles/arms and flipping the tail to reveal his legs. This makes him stand ''very'' tall. Like most of the McDonald's ''Animated'' toys, he gave up a show-accurate robot mode for a show-accurate vehicle mode.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/McLugnut/lugnut.htm More information on McDonald's Lugnut at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:Atomiclugnutvoyager.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Yeah, this'll come off real well in Japan.]]
*'''Atomic Lugnut''' (Voyager class, 2009)
**''Accessories'': Tail assembly/power mace

: Part of the sixth wave of ''Animated'' Voyagers, Atomic Lugnut is a [[Redeco]] of the Voyager-class Lugnut in a color scheme inspired by World War II era B-29s. He gonna bomb you. He retains all of his previous [[gimmick]]ry.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/AtomicLugnut/lugnut.htm More information on Atomic Lugnut at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
* Lugnut's name derives from an earlier stage in his development; at one point he was going to be more Frankenstein's Monster-esque, with giant bolts (or "nuts") sticking out from his neck. While this concept was effectively discarded, the character kept "Lugnut" for his final name... but it works well enough on its own, as he ''is'' a big lug and a bit of a nut.
* Of the five main ''Animated'' Decepticons, Lugnut is the only one without a "counterpart" from a prior series.
* According to the Decepticon character descriptions sent out in the initial [[Cartoon Network]] press release for ''Transformers Animated'', Lugnut "carries a payload of mega-bombs and can spew liquid napalm with laser-like accuracy". Alas, his napalm-spewing ability hasn't shown up anywhere. The bio on the Latin America [[McDonald's]] website used this character description as well when promoting his toy.
* [[Derrick J. Wyatt|Derrick Wyatt]] and [[Marty Isenberg]] admitted at [[BotCon 2008]] that they didn't know that Lugnut's toy had the battle mace, as it was a [[Hasbro]] creation. Once they learned of its existence, they slipped it into season 2, and it makes its only appearance in "[[Garbage In, Garbage Out]]".
* At Botcon 2008, Marty Isenberg took a liking to the term [[Punch of Kill Everything]] used in the fandom to refer to Lugnut's attack, and said he would find a way to work it in. Sure enough, in the the comic [[The Arrival issue 4|''The Arrival'' #4]] penned by Isenberg, Lugnut's attack was named as such.
* The four small red dots (two to either side) on Lugnut's head, according to the series' creators, are secondary optics. This means Lugnut actually has ''five'' eyes, rather than the one he appears to have at a casual glance.
* According to his on-package bio, Lugnut is known as the '[[Kaon]] Krusher'.
* In the Japanese dub of ''Animated'', Lugnut has a [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VerbalTic verbal tic] where he adds the syllable "ttsu" (ッツ) to the ends of most of his sentences. In the intro voiceover for "[[Three's a Crowd]]", he explains that he simply does this "because [I'm] Lugnut", as in Japanese, his name is pronounced "raguna'''ttsu'''" (ラグナッツ).
*he's refferd to by (random)[[blitzwing]] as a five eyed, no brained flying purple people eater

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Talk:Waspinator (BW)

2011-02-17T11:56:58Z

Manmcmanman: /* Character-Voice Version? */

2/21/07: Ok, let's discuss this instead of getting into an endless reversion war. Why can't the silly all s's to z's change be allowed? How is it any worse than say the constant rhyming on Wheelie's page?
:: Because it makes the article a pain in the ass to read? At least that seems to be the reason it got edited last time--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 03:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Is this a little more acceptable?

Why is Waspy in the "Toys 'R' Us Exclusives" category? As far as I know, unless you count the TRU-Japan-Exclusive version of Thrust, all of Waspinator's toys thus far have been general releases, save for the upcoming Botcon version.

You know, I missed the typo in the Botcon comic "Excecute jump now" panel there. Thanks alot. Now I'll be saying 'excecute' all day. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The very first round of Fox Kids BW toys were TRU-only, which included Waspinator. -- M Sipher

:I can't prove that you're wrong but I'm sure you are. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

::I also greatly question this assertion as I can find nothing to corroborate it. --[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 06:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

::: If memory serves I got my Fox Kid's Rhinox at Target. Even if memory ''doesn't'' serve, Waspy probably should be taken out of this category until some proof is dug up. I won't take him out myself, but I think someone should consider it. --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 00:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== Stinger ==

If I'm not mistaken, stinger = sharpened ovipositor.. and ovipositor = egg-laying tube.. and therefore ovipositor = vagina.. which means Wazzpinator is a girl-altmoder like Tigatron!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:75.72.21.221|75.72.21.221]] ([[User talk:75.72.21.221|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/75.72.21.221|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.
:Male wasps/hornets still have stings.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, male wasps do not have stings because stings are modified ovipositors, which only females have. The anonymous poster is correct in that Waspinator's beast form is female. Some may find this interesting, but it should really come as no surprise. About half of the beast warriors probably have female beast modes, seeing as females usually make up approximately half of most species' populations. So far, I can positively sex the beast forms of Tigatron (female), Waspinator (female), Inferno (female), Blackarachnia (female), and Cheetor (male). I don't know about the rest though. It doesn't really matter, but it's still somewhat interesting.--[[User:General Cicadacon|General Cicadacon]] 22:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Since none of the (mammalian) beast forms have external genitals I assumed they were all female. Aside from Stampy's "Kick him in the unmentionables!" quote in ''The Ascending'' I've never seen any evidence to the contrary...[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Since the mammalian beast modes don't show any mammaries, either, I always assumed that the gender based organs (and all the other organs, now that I think about it, save Cheetor's gut gun) were absent from the beast mode. After all, we know they don't have blood (Cheetor says so in "The Web"). Why would they have organs? And if they don't have organs, they don't have gender (Organically, that is. Obviously their TF modes have robo-gender....somehow......). - Buddy

== Immortality? ==

I think it might be crazy and I just came up with it like 2 seconds ago but I think that Waspinator was the one with an immortal spark seriously maybe when Starscream possessed him it gave him a residual effect to survive even the worse of being slag. or maybe he is just lucky/unlucky.
[[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 11:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

:...what? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

::I think he's saying that Waspinator's apparent immortality may be an after effect of being possessed by Starscream. [[User:24.207.234.189|24.207.234.189]] 00:17, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::No,he's saying starscream became immortal AFTER posessing the undefeatable waspinator. Which makes no sense whatsoever because if his spark was there he was already immortal. I don't think this guy knows G1 exists.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 15:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Though Waspinator getting blown to scrap rather predates that episode.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Just a theory, but maybe Waspinator had a "differentiated" spark, just like [[Frenzy (Movie)|a certain little skittering spaz]]. If ''he'' can survive being decapitated multiple times, what's to say Waspy wasn't built to the same specs, as it were? --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 02:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Character-Voice Version? ==

So, is it consensus that the character-voice intro paragraphs are better than more normal ones? I'd prefer the non-voice version. [[User:JW|JW]] 03:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
:In some cases, yes. In this case, definitely. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
::This one really is kinda difficult to read. At very least it needs to be edited down. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I think I would prefer going back to the non-character voice version. Maybe if the Tenth Anniversary bio hadn't already done it, I'd like seeing it here better. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Wazzpinator ''like'' hizz page zzerved with extra Z. [[User:Wazzpinator|Wazzpinator]] 18:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Looking zz at this as it currently stands? zzz The intro zzzz looks zzz AWFUL. I mean, it is seriously zzzz almost zzzz impossible zzzzzz to read. I don't think zzzz the character zzz voice adds zzzz ''anything'' zzzz to the page, and makes zzz it very ugly and hard zzzz to follow. I vote for purging it entirely. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:I agree with removing the "z"s, but lets keep it in his character voice. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::Would it be acceptable to use the Zs in the opening character overview? I kind of liked them there and thought it was fittingly amusing. I agree that using it throughout the entire article is major overkill, though. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 01:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::It never ''was'' in his character voice. Someone just did a search-and-replace on the letter "S", and made a couple of minor grammar edits -- but it was never re-written to sound like something Waspinator would actually say. If it's going to be a character voice intro, it needs to be done ''right'', not just a crude, hard-to-read port of what's already written. That also means it has to be ''better'' than what's up there now, which if I may say so is pretty good. The character POV's a cute idea, but the execution thus far has left much to be desired. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:58, 13 February 2008 (EST)

I agree with you guys mostly, but his ''quote'' should probably have the z's. After all, angry archer is in ye olde english and wheelie is IN RHYME.[[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 19:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Dunno if it helpszz, but when doing BW fancomicszzz I found that an "s" followed by two or three "z"s uszzually got the messzzzage acrosszz
without being too difficult to read, and conveyed Waszzpinator'szzz voice perfectly. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Although szzoft 'c'szz are difficult to reproduce, szzee "voice" above, and indeed "reproduce" in thiszz szzzentence. And in "szzzentence". Gah. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the final note on [[Waspinators]] page

== Waspy Transmetal needs own page? ==

According to the final BW profile book TM Waspy is a seperate alternate reality version that is perminantly possesed by the spark of Starscream (the Starscream of our universe) and engaged in a constant struggle between the Screamer and Waspy personalities in his Transmetal form. Sooo our policy is that alt. reality varients get seperate pages right? We need a "Waspinator (Transmetal)" page now? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:Man, as if Prowl II wasn't enough... [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::Just take something that will counter the headache ''before'' you read it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:"Alternate reality variants"?? Y'mean like... IDW Scorponok vs G1 comics Scorponok? Seems to me he'd just get a separate fiction section. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::<nowiki>[[Tankor (Decepticon)]]</nowiki> vs [[Tankor (BM)]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah that, and many others ([[Galvatron II]] anyone) was the sort of thing I was envisioning. It raises an interesting question. Where is that line? Between seperate continuities of the same character (same page) vs. alternate reality versions (seperate pages).--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::And again, that's a decision I contest for this very reason. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::But IDW transmetal Waspy is still from the G1 continuity family. I'd say this is more Marvel Prime vs. G1 Cartoon Prime than Marvel Prime vs. RID cartoon Prime. Plus, Waspinator appeared in Transmetal form in a video game. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::But again, how is this different from Galvy II mentioned above, or the Tankor, or many of the Universe and other Alt. Relaity varients that already have their own page? I don't really care which way we do it, honestly, but I DO think we should be consistant. We need to pick some clear rules for this: when a character is Alt. enough to have his own page and when he is just a varient on the main page. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:49, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think we need to merge the Tankors and Obsidians together, and treat these alternate universe versions of the same character like we do all the other alternate universe versions (cartoon vs comic) of the same character. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I'd kinda agree. In particular, I've always thought it was really strange to have a separate page under this made-up "Galvatron II" title. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Galvatron II isn't "made-up," it's the name of the eHobby toy. Furman had previously used it in Alignment, which itself doesn't count, but that's where eHobby got it from. Anyway, Sourcebook TM Waspinator does not seem to be a distinct character warranting a page of his own, just sections on Waspy and Starscream's pages. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:38, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, Galvatron II gets his own toy, and is running around in a universe where there's already another Galvatron and a Megatron. He gets his own page partly to avoid tremendous confusion and because he's got his own name. Sorta. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Animated page? ==

With him having appeared in the cartoon now,in Arabia,does animated waspinator finally deserve a page?[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 10:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:Considering that we aren't even sure if his name is "Wasp" or "Waspinator", I'd say no. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::Ok,well at least we know there is A waspinator in TFA. Just have to wait for his name. By the way,are you also hoping he will keep his cybertronian alt mode?[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 15:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't care about his alternate mode, nor do I think my liking of it needs to be discussed here. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Ok,i was just saying. Cause a Cybertron mode Bumblebee retool would be ''right'' around the corner.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 15:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm putting my foot down. This does not belong on this page. We can do an Animated page if and when the episode airs, but I am sick and tired of these leaks from Dubai and rumors making this page look unprofessional.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:In addition to that, we don't really know if his name is even Waspinator, since all the reports I've seen just call him Wasp.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 01:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::Well then you ''clean up'' the page,not remove the trivia just because ''you're bored with it''. You told me yourself, you are not an admin,so stop trying to be one.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 12:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I am going to have to agree with [[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]], Animated Waspy should get his own page like every other character in this wiki. We don't put Movie Prime on [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime's]] page because ''they're not the same character.'' Do y'all get what I'm going at here?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 13:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I agree with Rosi. A different character with a different name and a different appearance, from a different continuity, who may or may not be appearing in an episode none of us have actually seen? Yah, he does not belong on this page. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:29, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::You two haven't even read a word in this conversation,Rosicrucian is saying Wasp should ''not'' get a page,while i'm saying he should.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 13:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::I am saying he shouldn't get a page until we have the full episode aired in North America so that the information is readily available and not subject to the whims and misconceptions of a rabid Transformers fan straining his eyes to make out a patchy broadcast from Dubai. The reason I believe this is because, and this is crucial, ''it lets the maximum number of users check each other's work''.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't know if there's a language barrier, but at no point did I say I was bored with it. I said I was ''tired of it'', by which I mean I'm tired of people adding this crapola. It doesn't take an admin to remove a trivia item that ''doesn't belong on this page in the first place.''--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::. . . No, he said, "This does not belong on '''this''' page." I think we all agree that, once one of us has seen the episode, we should create a page for "Wasp" or whatever his name is. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Except,y'know. The ep aired already,just not in slow-ass america.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 14:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::If you've seen it, please feel free to add the info to this wiki. If all the info you have is second-hand, please don't. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::So you people are saying that all news that did not appear in the USA first is inferior news? I find that racist,i'm not gonna bother replying to that anymore.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 14:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Y'know, I'm also sick and tired of people not understanding that users checking each other's work is the biggest thing that makes Wikis viable, and folks trotting out the "racist" label when they're losing an argument. We don't need this crap.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Rhinox, we welcome contributions from anyone who has firsthand knowledge, Arabic, American, Canadian, Japanese, or Nebulan. What ''you'' have is rumor, because you haven't seen the episode. Also, please remember that you are the New Guy here, so you should try to be less confrontational, especially when we're being polite. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think a guy called Magmatron on TFW2005 saw it, but usince we've zero information about Wasp, might not wanna add it. Although I do think adding information we can definetely confirm from those early airings is valid. [[User:GWolfv2]] 15.04 May 12 2008 (GMT)

I'm going to give an example here. Take a typical weekend in which a new episode of TFA airs in Canada or the US. We spend the entire weekend (and sometimes much of the week) double-checking the episode summary, the character fiction sections, and making sure the article holds up and doesn't contain too much cruft. It's a community effort, and often a lot of stuff has to be corrected or just plain cut because the people watching the episode are ''fallible''. All of us. I am not excluded from this.

Now imagine that same episode article and character information is being added for a leaked episode broadcast in Dubai. Maybe five people in the Transformers community have seen it. Maybe only one of those is a user on this Wiki. Maybe he's not even a user on this wiki and the users here are just using his fan summary he posted on one of the news sites. Can the users on this wiki correct him if he's got a misconception about what he's seen? What if he assumes that the tank guy with the turret on his head is Omega Supreme and makes an Omega Supreme character page? Can we call him on his mistaken assumption? It just doesn't work out.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:You know, if someone here is simply throwing up misinformation and starting fights and hurling insults repeatedly, despite numerous warnings, there ''is'' something to be done about it... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, I'm probably wasting my breath trying to explain myself to someone who just said "I'm not going to reply anymore because you're all racists."--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC):::::::
Osnap, it aired on UK what do we do now?
:There will soon be a page at [[Wasp]]. If he at any point changes his name, we'll move it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
==Waspinator to Waspinator (BW)==
Now that Wasp has become Waspinator in Animated, I'm in favor of this article being Waspinator (BW). Even if the Animated article is left at [[Wasp]] (there is currently debate as to renaming it), I think it could be potentially confusing leaving the (BW) off this article. --[[User:Loudstone|Loudstone]] 02:59, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
:How would it be confusing? Is it confusing to have 1000 Optimus Prime pages, or should we put them into one article? This isn't the ''Beast Wars'' Waspinator, it's the ''Animated'' Waspinator. ''Two totally different continuities''. Go to the search bar and type in Waspinator and it'll bring up [[Waspinator (BW)]] and [[Waspinator (Animated)]].--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:50, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
::Loudstone is right, though. We have two Waspinator pages. Each needs to have a parenthetical. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:56, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Yep. Policy is clear on this. The move has now been performed.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 10:58, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

==Return to Cybertron==
Just how did Waspinator make it back to Cybertron after the end of Beast Wars? Assuming I did my calculations right, if Waspinator had four million years, he would have only been able to make it to Alpha Centauri if he were flying at the speed of sound. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:68.183.233.84|68.183.233.84]] ([[User talk:68.183.233.84|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/68.183.233.84|contribs]]){{#if:| {{{2o}}}|}}.
:Maybe Cybertron is orbiting Alpha Centauri in the Beast Wars continuity? Waspy was presumably flying at the same speed as the quantum wavefront from the planet buster explosion, since he took roughly the same amount of time to get there. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:36, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
:How do you know he got back under his own power (the amount of energon it would take seems prohibitive) - or, indeed, '''when''' he got back (all he says is that it "took forever", and the only other thing we know is that he was there when Megatron stole all the sparks, including his. The cartoon doesn't even say when ''Megatron'' arrived, relative to when he left...). He may have stowed away with the G1 TFs and got back that way... - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 08:42, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
::If [[Primeval Dawn]] had ever finished, we would have seen him return to Cybertron through a transwarp portal along with Primal Prime and the others. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:26, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Waspinator (BW)

2011-02-17T11:55:19Z

Manmcmanman: /* Character-Voice Version? */

2/21/07: Ok, let's discuss this instead of getting into an endless reversion war. Why can't the silly all s's to z's change be allowed? How is it any worse than say the constant rhyming on Wheelie's page?
:: Because it makes the article a pain in the ass to read? At least that seems to be the reason it got edited last time--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 03:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Is this a little more acceptable?

Why is Waspy in the "Toys 'R' Us Exclusives" category? As far as I know, unless you count the TRU-Japan-Exclusive version of Thrust, all of Waspinator's toys thus far have been general releases, save for the upcoming Botcon version.

You know, I missed the typo in the Botcon comic "Excecute jump now" panel there. Thanks alot. Now I'll be saying 'excecute' all day. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The very first round of Fox Kids BW toys were TRU-only, which included Waspinator. -- M Sipher

:I can't prove that you're wrong but I'm sure you are. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

::I also greatly question this assertion as I can find nothing to corroborate it. --[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 06:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

::: If memory serves I got my Fox Kid's Rhinox at Target. Even if memory ''doesn't'' serve, Waspy probably should be taken out of this category until some proof is dug up. I won't take him out myself, but I think someone should consider it. --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 00:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== Stinger ==

If I'm not mistaken, stinger = sharpened ovipositor.. and ovipositor = egg-laying tube.. and therefore ovipositor = vagina.. which means Wazzpinator is a girl-altmoder like Tigatron!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:75.72.21.221|75.72.21.221]] ([[User talk:75.72.21.221|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/75.72.21.221|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.
:Male wasps/hornets still have stings.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, male wasps do not have stings because stings are modified ovipositors, which only females have. The anonymous poster is correct in that Waspinator's beast form is female. Some may find this interesting, but it should really come as no surprise. About half of the beast warriors probably have female beast modes, seeing as females usually make up approximately half of most species' populations. So far, I can positively sex the beast forms of Tigatron (female), Waspinator (female), Inferno (female), Blackarachnia (female), and Cheetor (male). I don't know about the rest though. It doesn't really matter, but it's still somewhat interesting.--[[User:General Cicadacon|General Cicadacon]] 22:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Since none of the (mammalian) beast forms have external genitals I assumed they were all female. Aside from Stampy's "Kick him in the unmentionables!" quote in ''The Ascending'' I've never seen any evidence to the contrary...[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Since the mammalian beast modes don't show any mammaries, either, I always assumed that the gender based organs (and all the other organs, now that I think about it, save Cheetor's gut gun) were absent from the beast mode. After all, we know they don't have blood (Cheetor says so in "The Web"). Why would they have organs? And if they don't have organs, they don't have gender (Organically, that is. Obviously their TF modes have robo-gender....somehow......). - Buddy

== Immortality? ==

I think it might be crazy and I just came up with it like 2 seconds ago but I think that Waspinator was the one with an immortal spark seriously maybe when Starscream possessed him it gave him a residual effect to survive even the worse of being slag. or maybe he is just lucky/unlucky.
[[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 11:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

:...what? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

::I think he's saying that Waspinator's apparent immortality may be an after effect of being possessed by Starscream. [[User:24.207.234.189|24.207.234.189]] 00:17, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::No,he's saying starscream became immortal AFTER posessing the undefeatable waspinator. Which makes no sense whatsoever because if his spark was there he was already immortal. I don't think this guy knows G1 exists.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 15:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Though Waspinator getting blown to scrap rather predates that episode.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Just a theory, but maybe Waspinator had a "differentiated" spark, just like [[Frenzy (Movie)|a certain little skittering spaz]]. If ''he'' can survive being decapitated multiple times, what's to say Waspy wasn't built to the same specs, as it were? --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 02:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Character-Voice Version? ==

So, is it consensus that the character-voice intro paragraphs are better than more normal ones? I'd prefer the non-voice version. [[User:JW|JW]] 03:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
:In some cases, yes. In this case, definitely. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
::This one really is kinda difficult to read. At very least it needs to be edited down. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I think I would prefer going back to the non-character voice version. Maybe if the Tenth Anniversary bio hadn't already done it, I'd like seeing it here better. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Wazzpinator ''like'' hizz page zzerved with extra Z. [[User:Wazzpinator|Wazzpinator]] 18:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Looking zz at this as it currently stands? zzz The intro zzzz looks zzz AWFUL. I mean, it is seriously zzzz almost zzzz impossible zzzzzz to read. I don't think zzzz the character zzz voice adds zzzz ''anything'' zzzz to the page, and makes zzz it very ugly and hard zzzz to follow. I vote for purging it entirely. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:I agree with removing the "z"s, but lets keep it in his character voice. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::Would it be acceptable to use the Zs in the opening character overview? I kind of liked them there and thought it was fittingly amusing. I agree that using it throughout the entire article is major overkill, though. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 01:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::It never ''was'' in his character voice. Someone just did a search-and-replace on the letter "S", and made a couple of minor grammar edits -- but it was never re-written to sound like something Waspinator would actually say. If it's going to be a character voice intro, it needs to be done ''right'', not just a crude, hard-to-read port of what's already written. That also means it has to be ''better'' than what's up there now, which if I may say so is pretty good. The character POV's a cute idea, but the execution thus far has left much to be desired. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:58, 13 February 2008 (EST)

I agree with you guys mostly, but his ''quote'' should probably have the z's. After all, angry archer is in ye olde english and wheelie is IN RHYME.[[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 19:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Dunno if it helpszz, but when doing BW fancomicszzz I found that an "s" followed by two or three "z"s uszzually got the messzzzage acrosszz
without being too difficult to read, and conveyed Waszzpinator'szzz voice perfectly. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Although szzoft 'c'szz are difficult to reproduce, szzee "voice" above, and indeed "reproduce" in thiszz szzzentence. And in "szzzentence". Gah. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the final note on his page

== Waspy Transmetal needs own page? ==

According to the final BW profile book TM Waspy is a seperate alternate reality version that is perminantly possesed by the spark of Starscream (the Starscream of our universe) and engaged in a constant struggle between the Screamer and Waspy personalities in his Transmetal form. Sooo our policy is that alt. reality varients get seperate pages right? We need a "Waspinator (Transmetal)" page now? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:Man, as if Prowl II wasn't enough... [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::Just take something that will counter the headache ''before'' you read it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:"Alternate reality variants"?? Y'mean like... IDW Scorponok vs G1 comics Scorponok? Seems to me he'd just get a separate fiction section. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::<nowiki>[[Tankor (Decepticon)]]</nowiki> vs [[Tankor (BM)]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah that, and many others ([[Galvatron II]] anyone) was the sort of thing I was envisioning. It raises an interesting question. Where is that line? Between seperate continuities of the same character (same page) vs. alternate reality versions (seperate pages).--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::And again, that's a decision I contest for this very reason. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::But IDW transmetal Waspy is still from the G1 continuity family. I'd say this is more Marvel Prime vs. G1 Cartoon Prime than Marvel Prime vs. RID cartoon Prime. Plus, Waspinator appeared in Transmetal form in a video game. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::But again, how is this different from Galvy II mentioned above, or the Tankor, or many of the Universe and other Alt. Relaity varients that already have their own page? I don't really care which way we do it, honestly, but I DO think we should be consistant. We need to pick some clear rules for this: when a character is Alt. enough to have his own page and when he is just a varient on the main page. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:49, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think we need to merge the Tankors and Obsidians together, and treat these alternate universe versions of the same character like we do all the other alternate universe versions (cartoon vs comic) of the same character. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I'd kinda agree. In particular, I've always thought it was really strange to have a separate page under this made-up "Galvatron II" title. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Galvatron II isn't "made-up," it's the name of the eHobby toy. Furman had previously used it in Alignment, which itself doesn't count, but that's where eHobby got it from. Anyway, Sourcebook TM Waspinator does not seem to be a distinct character warranting a page of his own, just sections on Waspy and Starscream's pages. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:38, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, Galvatron II gets his own toy, and is running around in a universe where there's already another Galvatron and a Megatron. He gets his own page partly to avoid tremendous confusion and because he's got his own name. Sorta. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Animated page? ==

With him having appeared in the cartoon now,in Arabia,does animated waspinator finally deserve a page?[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 10:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:Considering that we aren't even sure if his name is "Wasp" or "Waspinator", I'd say no. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::Ok,well at least we know there is A waspinator in TFA. Just have to wait for his name. By the way,are you also hoping he will keep his cybertronian alt mode?[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 15:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't care about his alternate mode, nor do I think my liking of it needs to be discussed here. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Ok,i was just saying. Cause a Cybertron mode Bumblebee retool would be ''right'' around the corner.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 15:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm putting my foot down. This does not belong on this page. We can do an Animated page if and when the episode airs, but I am sick and tired of these leaks from Dubai and rumors making this page look unprofessional.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:In addition to that, we don't really know if his name is even Waspinator, since all the reports I've seen just call him Wasp.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 01:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::Well then you ''clean up'' the page,not remove the trivia just because ''you're bored with it''. You told me yourself, you are not an admin,so stop trying to be one.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 12:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I am going to have to agree with [[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]], Animated Waspy should get his own page like every other character in this wiki. We don't put Movie Prime on [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime's]] page because ''they're not the same character.'' Do y'all get what I'm going at here?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 13:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I agree with Rosi. A different character with a different name and a different appearance, from a different continuity, who may or may not be appearing in an episode none of us have actually seen? Yah, he does not belong on this page. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:29, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::You two haven't even read a word in this conversation,Rosicrucian is saying Wasp should ''not'' get a page,while i'm saying he should.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 13:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::I am saying he shouldn't get a page until we have the full episode aired in North America so that the information is readily available and not subject to the whims and misconceptions of a rabid Transformers fan straining his eyes to make out a patchy broadcast from Dubai. The reason I believe this is because, and this is crucial, ''it lets the maximum number of users check each other's work''.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't know if there's a language barrier, but at no point did I say I was bored with it. I said I was ''tired of it'', by which I mean I'm tired of people adding this crapola. It doesn't take an admin to remove a trivia item that ''doesn't belong on this page in the first place.''--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::. . . No, he said, "This does not belong on '''this''' page." I think we all agree that, once one of us has seen the episode, we should create a page for "Wasp" or whatever his name is. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Except,y'know. The ep aired already,just not in slow-ass america.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 14:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::If you've seen it, please feel free to add the info to this wiki. If all the info you have is second-hand, please don't. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::So you people are saying that all news that did not appear in the USA first is inferior news? I find that racist,i'm not gonna bother replying to that anymore.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 14:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Y'know, I'm also sick and tired of people not understanding that users checking each other's work is the biggest thing that makes Wikis viable, and folks trotting out the "racist" label when they're losing an argument. We don't need this crap.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Rhinox, we welcome contributions from anyone who has firsthand knowledge, Arabic, American, Canadian, Japanese, or Nebulan. What ''you'' have is rumor, because you haven't seen the episode. Also, please remember that you are the New Guy here, so you should try to be less confrontational, especially when we're being polite. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think a guy called Magmatron on TFW2005 saw it, but usince we've zero information about Wasp, might not wanna add it. Although I do think adding information we can definetely confirm from those early airings is valid. [[User:GWolfv2]] 15.04 May 12 2008 (GMT)

I'm going to give an example here. Take a typical weekend in which a new episode of TFA airs in Canada or the US. We spend the entire weekend (and sometimes much of the week) double-checking the episode summary, the character fiction sections, and making sure the article holds up and doesn't contain too much cruft. It's a community effort, and often a lot of stuff has to be corrected or just plain cut because the people watching the episode are ''fallible''. All of us. I am not excluded from this.

Now imagine that same episode article and character information is being added for a leaked episode broadcast in Dubai. Maybe five people in the Transformers community have seen it. Maybe only one of those is a user on this Wiki. Maybe he's not even a user on this wiki and the users here are just using his fan summary he posted on one of the news sites. Can the users on this wiki correct him if he's got a misconception about what he's seen? What if he assumes that the tank guy with the turret on his head is Omega Supreme and makes an Omega Supreme character page? Can we call him on his mistaken assumption? It just doesn't work out.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:You know, if someone here is simply throwing up misinformation and starting fights and hurling insults repeatedly, despite numerous warnings, there ''is'' something to be done about it... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, I'm probably wasting my breath trying to explain myself to someone who just said "I'm not going to reply anymore because you're all racists."--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC):::::::
Osnap, it aired on UK what do we do now?
:There will soon be a page at [[Wasp]]. If he at any point changes his name, we'll move it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
==Waspinator to Waspinator (BW)==
Now that Wasp has become Waspinator in Animated, I'm in favor of this article being Waspinator (BW). Even if the Animated article is left at [[Wasp]] (there is currently debate as to renaming it), I think it could be potentially confusing leaving the (BW) off this article. --[[User:Loudstone|Loudstone]] 02:59, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
:How would it be confusing? Is it confusing to have 1000 Optimus Prime pages, or should we put them into one article? This isn't the ''Beast Wars'' Waspinator, it's the ''Animated'' Waspinator. ''Two totally different continuities''. Go to the search bar and type in Waspinator and it'll bring up [[Waspinator (BW)]] and [[Waspinator (Animated)]].--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:50, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
::Loudstone is right, though. We have two Waspinator pages. Each needs to have a parenthetical. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:56, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Yep. Policy is clear on this. The move has now been performed.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 10:58, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

==Return to Cybertron==
Just how did Waspinator make it back to Cybertron after the end of Beast Wars? Assuming I did my calculations right, if Waspinator had four million years, he would have only been able to make it to Alpha Centauri if he were flying at the speed of sound. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:68.183.233.84|68.183.233.84]] ([[User talk:68.183.233.84|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/68.183.233.84|contribs]]){{#if:| {{{2o}}}|}}.
:Maybe Cybertron is orbiting Alpha Centauri in the Beast Wars continuity? Waspy was presumably flying at the same speed as the quantum wavefront from the planet buster explosion, since he took roughly the same amount of time to get there. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:36, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
:How do you know he got back under his own power (the amount of energon it would take seems prohibitive) - or, indeed, '''when''' he got back (all he says is that it "took forever", and the only other thing we know is that he was there when Megatron stole all the sparks, including his. The cartoon doesn't even say when ''Megatron'' arrived, relative to when he left...). He may have stowed away with the G1 TFs and got back that way... - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 08:42, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
::If [[Primeval Dawn]] had ever finished, we would have seen him return to Cybertron through a transwarp portal along with Primal Prime and the others. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:26, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)

2011-02-17T11:48:24Z

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'''We do not care about leaks. Do not tell us who you saw on the set. Do not present us with images of stolen toys. Unless you can [[Help:Official info|source it in an official press release or reputable news source]], we do not care. Please stop telling us who you saw in set photography.'''

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== TITLE ==

[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-3-title-revealed-the-dark-of-the-moon/19947/ Looks like we've got a title.]

--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:35, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:Can I just go on record that that is a crappy name? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:42, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::I agree with you, but it comes with many joke opportunities.
::I just.....haven't figured out what they are yet. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:53, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::All I can think of is the Alabama song "Fire In The Night". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:57, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::The ''Dark'' of the moon? Does that mean the movie is going to be just another one of those crappy conspiracy theories saying the US didn't get to the moon first? Does this mean this is hardly going to be a movie about Transformers? This seems pretty likely. Also, that name is just borderline teen novel. Hopefully they'll change everything at the last minute into something relatively better like they did before. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 09:59, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Here are some jokes we could use.
:::::"Dark Side of the Moon was taken."
:::::"Is it a Twilight crossover?"
:::::(Thank you Seibertron forum posters!) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:01, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::I hadn't even thought about Twilight until Loki said teen novel. Now, I can't get the word "Vampformers" out of my head. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:08, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Does this mean the main pic has to be that shot of John Turturro's as from ROTF?[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 10:22, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::No and shame on you for even thinking it. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:27, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::One thing I really like from the first 3 movies (86,07,09) wiki articles are the running joke used throughout. Star Wars, the 86 movie, and Empire Strikes Back. I would have thought we would use nothing but Return of the Jedi quotes here, but with this new title part of me thinks it would be great to use nothing but lyrics off the Dark Side of the Moon album. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 12:36, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::We picked Star Wars and Empire for their respective films because the TF creative teams in those years specifically compared their products to those films--it was us making a joke out of their marketing idea. Though having captions about ROTJ would obviously "complete the set," I'm kind of against us making jokes out of ''our own traditions'' instead of the traditions of the franchise creators. It would seem like we're just jerking off. So I'd actually prefer Pink Floyd too. Of course, given that there's still a year for someone at Paramount to make a comparison between the respective 3rd films, the point may be moot. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:02, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Actually, using Pink Floyd quotes here would preserve and extend the pattern we have going. 1st Movie/Star Wars Universe quotes, 2nd Movie/Non-SW quotes, 3rd Movie/SW Universe quotes, 4th Movie/Non-SW quotes. Remember that 1st - 4th is in real world terms, ignoring the fact that the 1st movie was not part of the same universe as the current trilogy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:10, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::Agreed. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:29, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

Should we also put in a note that "dark of the moon" is real phrase and not completely made up? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:35, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

Ahem. IT WAS THE DARK OF THE MOON ON THE SIXTH OF JUNE WITH A KENWORTH HAULIN' LOGS/ CABOVER PETE WITH A REEFER ON AND A JIMMY HAULIN HOGS/ WE WAS HEADED FOR BEAR ON I-1-OH ABOUT A MILE OUTTA SHAKEY TOWN/ I SAID "PIG PEN THIS HERE'S THE RUBBER DUCK, WE'RE ABOUT TO PUT THE HAMMER DOWN." -hx at work, this is all the caption you need.
:ARGH! I can't believe I forgot that! I can just see the "bout to put the hammer down" part as an Optimus Prime caption ("Convoy", don't you know. :)). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:49, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::I agree with this comment. Also, now we have a title, is it time to add it to the left-hand navigation menu? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:16, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Save it for the Japanese release info. "Ironically enough, not a great big Convoy rockin' through the night." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:30, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
I don't see any Amazon listings anymore, but the [http://www.transformersmovie.com Transformers movie website] is called "Transformers: Dark of the Moon". (Don't look at the logo, look at the title of the website in the web browser.) Should we lose the "the"? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:43, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:At the same time, the domain they registered is "transformersthedarkofthemoonmovie.com", which has the leading "The" in it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:00, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::"transformersdarkofthemoonmovie.com" is also registered by the same party. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:03, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Why would they register it with the "The" if "The" isn't in the title? Whereas I can see why they'd also register it without, because people might accidentally leave it out when typing the url (and also for brand protection). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:57, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Similar reasons apply for registering the name with a superfluous "the". "The dark of the moon" is a preexisting term, people might easily insert it by mistake. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:08, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::IDK, the title of a web page just doesn't seem like enough to me to move the page. The titles on Amazon all had "The" in them, which might have been added mistakenly by whoever added them there, or might not have been. I suspect we should wait for some sort of official unveiling, because if we move the page now, we may well just be moving it back later. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:13, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::According to the teaser trailer, at least in Latin America, the international title of the movie is '''Transformers 3''' (THANK GOD). Should we put it on the article?-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 03:28, 1 January 2011 (EST)

== Uh, Walky.... ==

How does "www.transformersdarksideofthemoon.com." confirm that "The Dark of the Moon" is the title? Or did you put in the "side" in that URL by mistake? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:56, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
: Yeah. Mistake. Durrr. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:02, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:: Fixed. I expect this slip-up to happen only 30,000 more times. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:03, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, mainly I was asking on the off chance that the other things we've found had accidentally left out the "side". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:07, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

== Accident ==

Does last month's stunt accident where an extra got critically injured belong on this page, and if yes, where?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:22, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:I thought the top of this page said that the wiki does not care about news on the set. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 14:46, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::This is '''obviously''' not the kind of news the top of the page is talking about. Yes, the accident and lawsuit should be addressed on the page for the movie. Where, I dunno. Probably its own section. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:58, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Maybe "Production", if it ever gets made. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:30, 7 October 2010 (EDT)

== Disambig? ==

What are we going to use as the disambiguation suffix for this movie? I used (TDOTM) for the Carly artilce I created, but I could see just (DOTM) instead, or perhaps something from out of left field -- [[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 23:04, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:(TDOTM) would be the most consistent. But (TF3) would be cool. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:22, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::The only other franchise I can find with an initial "the" is [[The Headmasters]], which has the disambiguation suffix (Headmasters). Going by that, I would say (DOTM). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:20, 8 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Considering Hasbro applied for the trademark "Dark of the Moon" without "the", I'm favoring (DOTM) too.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:05, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
::::(TDOTM) is a horrible disambig. I prefer (DOTM). --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:11, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

== The Superfund Armored Truck as Sixshot and Rosenbaurer as Inferno ==

November-21=Michael Bay confirms the Superfund Armored Truck as Sixshot.
:Hi. Cite a source. Sign your posts. Thank you. Goodbye. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:22, 21 November 2010 (EST)

== Should we add Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin? ==

Well, should we?

-ThiAthEhn
: And [[Walter Cronkite]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:56, 10 December 2010 (EST)

::Well, the question is, will they actually be ''in'' the film? This teaser feels very much like the teaser for the first movie, in that we may see only a little, or possibly even none, of the actual content of it in the film. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:57, 10 December 2010 (EST)

:::And we don't know if (though unlikely) they are main cast. And save their page for another day. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 12:00, 10 December 2010 (EST)
::::I dunno, I think all promotional stuff still counts as "fiction" under our mandate. While they shouldn't be on the main cast list, I wouldn't be opposed to making articles on them and making some mention of them on the article. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:16, 10 December 2010 (EST)
:::::And in any case, we already have a [[Neil Armstrong]] page, per [[Ghosts of Yesterday]]. So I'll ask my question here: how much do we want to put into that article? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 14:42, 10 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I'm tired of seeing useless perpetually incomplete pages for trivial as fuck foil characters that usually were only ''mentioned'' in the movie or even movie novelization in question and have no real story signifigance at all. I respectfully say nay to more character pages like this and I would recommend deleting such pages that are already created, such as the Mohammud page. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:14, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Then that's really too friggin' bad, because ''that's what this wiki is for.'' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:28, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::You really want your wiki to go to hell, to run rampant with the constant mindless page creations of anonymous IP adresses? You made one of the qualifications to delete a page "We are not a dictonary," but now you want to contradict yourself. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:32, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Uh, we've been making pages like this since the very beginning of the wiki back in 2006. At no point has this site ever succumbed to your insane scenario. So pardon me if my eyes roll so hard they pop out of my skull. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:36, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::What you said officially makes it okay to make pages like the pages made by anons from the start, so now you have put yourself in the situation where now a whole lot of anons who look around without editing will get that idea and tell all their friends about it and soon you have too many pages for Detour to put the speedy template on. Sure, in the past this has never happened, but now there is the possibility. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:39, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::Now that we're going to continue doing the exact same thing we've been doing for the past four years, suddenly it's all going to be different now and ruin us. Got it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:41, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::It's not that you've been doing the same thing all along, it's now you've said that doing what has been described now is alright and acceptable, and you seem to be ignoring/avoiding that. Besides, of course the consequences are not going to affect you immediately, so you shouldn't just assume that if the ramifications aren't immediate then there aren't any at all. Your 16-year-old level of sarcasm and quickness to attempt to avoid a situation is what makes people not like you. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:47, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::I'm not ignoring anything, because I shouldn't have to distinguish for you the differences between making a page for a guy featured heavily in a trailer for a blockbuster Transformers film and between making a page for "floor." The difference seems to be obvious to everyone else. Do you have any other recourse to people disagreeing with you that isn't calling them an X-year-old? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:58, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::::The reason I used the X-year-old argument is because that is what I usually only see here that warrants a recourse from me, what with the "Um, yes it does" and "pardon me if my eyes roll so hard they pop out of my skull" statements. I understand now that you have from the start always had a staff that can make the distinction between what is too little information and what isn't and make decisions based on that. I don't think that most people know what "too little information" is (including myself), so maybe that could be something you could put into the FAQ of the wiki for anons that want to be good editors but aren't and so people like me don't go anally retentive apeshit and get in heated arguments with the wiki's administrator. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 12:10, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::::When the sole basis of your argument is "tons of anons will make bad pages", it's kind of hard to do anything but roll one's eyes at it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:14, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::Anons will make useless pages regardless of policies. I truly doubt making a page about Buzz Aldrin is suddenly going to open the floodgates for pages about grass, the birds, the bees, the peanut butter jelly time banana and Zartan's male pattern baldness. Your apocalypse scenario is ridiculous to say the least. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:01, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::They exist in the Transformers universe. Why shouldn't we have pages for them? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:17, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Saying something like, "What would Jesus do?" is not making them in-universe. Besides, the pages always stay shitty and are just bytes of worthless space-taking crap. What if the wiki made a whole page for every single obscure character that happened to be seen in a passing glance of the camera? The whole wiki would be have millions of pages of crap that nobody cares about. Besides, if somebody wanted to read about Buzz aldrin, they could just go to wikipedia. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:21, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Um, yes it does. If someone mentions Jesus in Transformers, that means that Jesus is in the Transformers universe? That'd be like if there was a standalone story where someone mentions how Bumblebee is a great scout, but Bumblebee doesn't appear otherwise. Does that mean Bumblebee doesn't exist? And there's a difference between making an article for someone who has no name, personality, or role, and making an article for someone who has a name and has a role hinted at. (We wouldn't make an article for a generic with no dialogue who's just there in the background, but we WOULD make an article for Bumblebee since he was named and we know that he's a scout.) And what if someone was curious about what Buzz Aldrin did in the Transformers world? Wikipedia wouldn't have that. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:24, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::You know very fucking well what I am talking about, don't act like a ten-year-old. I do not mean that important characters fiction wise (as in appearing in more than one piece of fiction in one universe) shouldn't have pages, they do have pages that account what they are important in. I mean not have pages about characters like the [[Muhammad]] or [[Jesus]] page that have no significance whatsoever in any piece of fiction. If they were more important in another piece of fiction, then they could have pages. What I want is quality control that isn't headed by ten-year-olds or anal people. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:29, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::But they do have significance. A character mentions them and gives some details. Small significance, but they exist. When I said "standalone", I was referring to a whole new universe, where we don't know if Bumblebee exists or not. Then, someone confirms he exists, so we make a page for him. How am I acting like a ten-year-old?
:::::::::::(I WILL admit there's a line. Remember "History vid Megatron", anyone?) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:34, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::I think someone needs a timeout. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:02, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::I remember "history vid Megatron"! According to a history video in Animated, he was a Decepticon during Animated's Great War. He looked like he commanded at least a platoon or something. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:19, 14 December 2010 (EST)

== Astronomical/Apollo Errors in Trailer ==

The trailer seems to suggest that, after it landed, Apollo 11 passed around to the dark side of the moon, or out of radio range, or something. This is, of course, nonsense, since the moon doesn't rotate with respect to Earth. If the trailer counts as canon, do we want to start an errors section for this? [[User:JW|JW]] 14:59, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:I think it is canon. That was strange. That looked like a real clip from Walter Cronkite, but maybe it was spliced together from different reports. Or maybe it was actually from before the landing when they were still in orbit. They sort of undercut the impact of the radio silence bit when mission control was still able to communicate with them. Maybe it was Sector 7 technology? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:19, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:: My reading of the trailer was that the astronauts WALKED to the far side of the moon once the feed was cut, explored, and then returned all within 21 minutes. Which is just as ridiculous. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:24, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::You could be right. I was thrown off by one image where they were right next to the lander when they were "dark on the rock". That was probably out of sequence. Then again, being a movie trailer, the whole thing may be various images and dialog thrown together without regard to sequence. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:34, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::But ''did'' they go to the dark side? I took "dark on the rock" to mean that communications were nil, that they were "in the dark", as it were. A figurative phrase, not literal. After all - you can SEE the Earth in the sky behind the spaceship! That couldn't be the dark side! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:02, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Cronkite says "We now have had confirmation of loss of signal from Apollo 11. Apollo 11 is on the far side of the moon". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:07, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::"Apollo 11" is the name of the mission, which involved the Columbia rocketship and the Lunar module that landed. The Columbia was in lunar orbit while Buzz and Neil were on the surface of the planet. The Columbia part of Apollo 11 definitely could have been on the far side of the moon, unless it, was, like, circling the exact circumference of the moon that we can see from Earth. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:13, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Mind, the actual "dark side of the moon" where the Autobot spaceship had crashed sure had a lot of friggin' light about and plenty of crisp shadows. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:09, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I tried to find out if the lander bounced signals off the ''Columbia'' but my Google skills failed me. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:18, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I'm pretty sure the whole "Dark of the Moon", "dark on the rock" thing is figurative, to both describe the mystery on the Moon and NASA's real reason for traveling there, rather than literally "the ''Ark'' crashed on the dark side of the moon, and the dark side of the moon is a short walk from Tranquility Base." [http://science.howstuffworks.com/lunar-landing2.htm This article] suggests that ''Columbia'' served as the communications link between ''Eagle'' and Earth. Wish I could find a better article or source, but my google-fu is not great. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:50, 22 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::Even taking that as figurative, the trailer shows the Earth close to the horizon, when it should be nearly directly overhead. It also appears to move between shots only a short time apart. [[User:JW|JW]] 06:55, 22 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Yea, it doesn't look like an actual error, except the movie makers wanted the Earth in every shot (I don't blame them). But the trailer doesn't make it clear that the ''Columbia'' is a communications link or anything like that so it is confusing. If it wasn't on the far side of the Moon, I don't see how they could have kept it secret. Anyone with a big enough telescope would be able to see it, I would think. At least observatories. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:19, 22 December 2010 (EST)

== MEGATRON IN DARK OF THE MOON ==
I have been looking around the internet about Transformers 3, and everywhere says that Megatron is returning for Transformers 3 as a Mack Titan Tanker Truck, I know that Michael Bay hasen't released any news yet on any Decepticons apart from Shockwave, but if Hasbro didn't release the pictures of the Megatron tanker truck toy, how the hell did they get on the internet, even Leader Class Ironhide pictures are around. Does anyone think that megatron should be added to the Decepticons?
Thanks Plo Koon 1
:It's most likely a stolen prototype from a factory, and NO, Megatron '''will not be added until Hasbro or Michael Bay or some other official source says he's in'''. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:42, 27 December 2010 (EST)
:Kindly go away and never return. This is all you do, come here once a movie is in production and either add stolen info, or rant on talk pages about how we should add stolen info, and frankly I am sick of it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:13, 27 December 2010 (EST)
::Why don't you go look up some more information and get adding to the page instead of waiting for Michael Bay's and Hasbro's precious information. {{unsigned|Plo Koon 1}}
:::Because we only use OFFICIAL information. If it doesn't come from Hasbro, Bay or another official source, it ISN'T information as far as we are concerned.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:45, 27 December 2010 (EST)
:::Yeah, that's a great idea, let's post every single thing anonymous people post on Wikipedia, that's the best way to do research. Or post about stolen toys, thieves are always the best source of info. And then we'll have to take it down, because it turns out to be wrong. Or get crap from Hasbro, because it's stolen. That'll work out great. This Wiki is interested in getting things ''right'', not ''first''. The policy and the reasons for it have been explained quite clearly. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 16:53, 27 December 2010 (EST)

== Ashton Kutcher ==

Just noticed, along with Ben Kingsley theres a spoof of the Heidi Montag audition by Ashton Kutcher. I can't put a link in though, as i have no idea how to.[[User:Burnout|Burnout]] 11:40, 20 January 2011 (EST)Burnout

Just paste it!—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 13:05, 23 January 2011 (EST)

== THE FIRST offical Images for DOTM Toys ==
Are these Officals right? http://www.asmzine.com/geekly-rewind/2011/01/28/toy-fair-uk-images-of-starscream-and-ironhide/ If so then its time to add these pics to Starscream and Ironhide Pages and make the DOTM Toyline Page well that its if anybody here considers these officals—[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]] 28 January 2011 (EST)
:Well, the article ''claims'' the pics are from Hasbro, but we better hold off until we're sure (as well as hold off on creating any 'MechTech' articles) - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 22:41, 28 January 2011 (EST)
::ASM would be the last site in the world to lie about that. They're official, and they were delivered to most every Transformers website. I wouldn't be surprised if we got them too, but I'm not [[User:Monzo|Monzo]], so I couldn't tell you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:48, 28 January 2011 (EST)
:::Yes, we received the images from Hasbro as well. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:23, 29 January 2011 (EST)
::::Thank You, Jesus, we finally got toy pics that aren't stolen prototypes! :D - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:19, 29 January 2011 (EST)

== Ratchet and Ironhide ==
i think we should add ratchet and Ironhide in the cast and character list sicne the 2 were in the trailer and the trailer like an Offical Source—[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]

== Laserbeak (?) ==

A bird-robot was also in the trailer.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 19:51, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:Looked more dragon-y than bird-y to me. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:03, 9 February 2011 (EST)
::Either way, the wiki isn't much of a place for speculation so whoever it is is moot until we get an official toy listing or promotional render. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:07, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:::Indeed, Detour. It could be Laserbeak, or Buzzsaw, or something new. Could it be Laserbeak? Most likely, yes. However, like Detour said, TFwiki.net doesn't deal with "most likely". Be patient, folks; we'll find out soon enough (the movie will be out in five months and we might find out officially before then). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:40, 9 February 2011 (EST)

== New guys? ==

Just a question. From the Superbowl trailer you can see that there are some "already dead" guys. I mean Barricade°(here it isnt really certain), Long Haul and (desert) Brawl. Should these be added into the list of appeared characters, since they were'''officially revealed''' via trailer? --[[Special:Contributions/194.228.147.9|194.228.147.9]] 21:12, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:No. Just because they look like the old characters doesn't mean they are. More there's no reason to list nameless characters we know nothing about. Be patient. Plenty of time after the movie is out. We're in no rush.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:19, 11 February 2011 (EST)

== worm thing ==

in the trailer (allbeit breifly) a trio of worm things can be seem burrowing through the road in the manner of sandworms

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== Human Name jokes ==

We might as well make the article play on his human-given names.
:: I was considering a 'Super Fighting Robot Mega-Man' joke, but I don't know how many people would think that's funny. [[User:VeePickle|VeePickle]] 12:23, 27 March 2010 (EDT)

== Megatron's Cybertronian form ==

Has anyone else noticed that Megatron's vehicle form bares more than a passing resemblance to the ''Swordfish'', the personal ship flown by Spike Spiegel in ''Cowboy BeBop''? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 02:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

::Not really, no. --[[User:EricMarrs|EricMarrs]] 12:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

:::The only difference is it's A. silver, and B. has three guns instead of one.

:I agree, it looks very similar. The wings in particular. I mean, it doesn't exactly look like THE Swordfish, but it looks like a 'mono-racer' from Bebop at least.

::::It looks more like the Zone of the Enders version of the Vic Viper than the Swordfish, at least to me it does.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 03:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

:I actually found it looked like [[Megatron (RID)|the other megatrons`]] jet mode.--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 01:12, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I think I see it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

== Earth Mode ==

According to Wikipedia and IGN, Megatron turns into a stealth bomber. [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 22:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
: Until either one is verified by anything official, we're not including that "info". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
::Reading the IGN article, they said they got this from playing an early version of the Movie's game. [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 01:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Still makes it somewhere between unconfirmed second-hand report and leaked info. With this sort of thing patience is best. IF it is true we'll all no for sure soon enough and it can go up then.n--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Seibertron reported recently that some of the production staff hinted at Megatron not getting an Earth form after all, at least in this movie. I'd say wait until the movie comes out, because even if they make a toy it's still not confirmed. [[User:King Starscream]] 13:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::From the book media I've perused, Megatron stays silvery and alieny the entire course of it all. There's other things I saw, but I shan't go into them since all these books come out tomorrow and you can spoil yourself then. [[User:Terrocon Blot]]
::::::Which book? Sounds interesting. [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 03:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::All the kids books that come out tomorrow. The I can read, storybook, junior novels, etc. Heck, a few of the books have Megatron and Brawl standing side by side. He ain't Brawl. All these books come out tomorrow, and will be on display in your local book stores. (Seriously, this is screwed up. I can't seem to edit pages when I'm logged in.) [[User:Terrocon Blot]]
::::::::Looking at game footage, either the Stealth-Bomber Megs was an early idea that was discarded, or he gets an Earth mode later in the game. -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 19:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

==Sibling status==
I strongly question the inclusion of he and Optimus being brothers in the main bio, unless that is backed up by the movie itself, or some future toy bio, or other source stronger than books based on earlier drafts of the script. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
: If the movie does not contradict it, surely it is still true. :)
: FOr what it's worth- the prequel comics had this vibe goigng too, the ADF novelization mentions brushes by it,t he junior novelization says it explicitly... and I think there's at least 1 more source. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
: The DS game says so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::As does the console version. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, yeah. The game counts a stonger source. Although if it's not mentioned in the movie itself, I think it's going to require a footnote notation citing the places it is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::::The Decepticon DS version also says it flat out.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::What we have now is correct, and there is no need to change anything. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::For the record to future peoples, Optimus does call Megatron his bro in the movie.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
:ROTF seems to ditch the sibling idea; the plot '''hinges''' on 'the Fallen lied to you, you need to be descended from a Prime to be a Prime!', which... er... they ''can't'' be related.
:I don't dispute that these two ''are'' siblings in some continuities... but can we ''not'' make it the '''first sentence''' of his bio? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:07, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
: Could it be that, in some strange crazy way, Megatron/Optimus was adopted? This would still make them brothers in a sense.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:13, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

==*More* Misassemblies==

Yeah. I just got Super Megs and, uh, his hands are flipped. Or rather, I guess it's his thumbs and pinkies. Look at the box and compare. This should probably be noted... [[User:71.61.152.122|71.61.152.122]] 07:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:Geeeeez, you're right. Is there anything assembled ''right'' on this guy?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
::I'm comparing photos at Seibertron.com, and um...I'm not seeing it.
:::It's most noticable in the picture of his macehand, but you can see it in the big one too. Don't look at 'pics' of the box, look at it with your own two eyes. >.> [[User:71.60.159.181|71.60.159.181]] 09:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== Galvatron ==

I strongly belive that the allspark will resurect megatron in a future sequel and possibly reformat him into galvatron. It'll probebly bring him back to life at least
:I don't deny that I think the AllSpark will play a part in Megs's revival, but I highly doubt (and strongly hope) that he won't become Galvatron.

== Marinas Trench ==

I realize Keller said the Decepticons were dropped into the deepest section of ocean in the world, but he calls it specifically something other than the Marinas Trench. To that end, using "Marinas Trench" doesn't seem exactly right to me. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to quite decipher what he DID call it. Was anybody else? And what does other media say about the location? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 15:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I concur that the trench name from the film should be used here instead of the Marianas. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
:Keller says "Laurentian Trench," which is a real ocean feature but by no means its deepest. He also says it's the deepest spot on the ocean at over 7 miles deep, which is correct for the Marianas. So, a fact-finding flub. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

::How dare the Secretary of Defense not be completely up to speed on the name of the deepest part of the ocean. (seriously, it's entirely possible that Keller had no idea what hte fuck he was talking about.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Either that, or Michael bay didn't do his homework.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 16:13, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Or Maybe in their Dimension, it IS the deepest? [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 11:59, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

=="The Head Wars"==

the one present right now is a little blurry, wouldn't that one be better? [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg]--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 18:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
: No, because that one doesn't have the right head. We replaced the one you suggested with the current version. (Blurry? It's a sized-down version of a gigantic-ass render straight from Dreamworks.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
::Um, yes it does. The Current one has the wrong head. Screencap comparison coming momentarily. Please stand by. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Inferno'sQueen]] 19:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::There is no more-current render to move to. There is a much older, outdated one that ''somebody'' keeps reverting to, but the one we currently use is practically the one used in the movie, if not the very same. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Not the same. The top of the head in the final version is different. [[:Image:MegHeads.jpg|Here. ''Now'' tell me I'm wrong.]][[User:Inferno'sQueen|Inferno'sQueen]] 20:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

:The head we currently have is way way way way way way closer than the alternative. Find us a full-body render that's a better alternative, and we'll switch them out, but there is none. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::[http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg GUIGUI's] ''is'' the accurate head. It's just got blue eyes. But considering the eyes of some movie images on the wiki aren't even glowing ''at all'' I don't think that should be an issue.
:::Don't answer me with another block. ''Please.'' I'm just trying to help the wiki. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Mr. Q]] 16:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:::That is so totally not the final Megatron. This render showed up months before the one we're currently using, and they hadn't even finished texturing the model. Please drop the issue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, now I'm confused. Is the body wrong on [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg that one] or something? [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Mr. Q]] 17:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think it's just shaded wrong(no shadows), and his torso is not completely "filled" with metal.-the preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]]
::That doesn't seem like a good excuse. And please sign your posts. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Mr. Q]] 15:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I looked at the image again, and it does look a bit odd. But not very much. I suggest a poll/survey of the admins to decide who thinks it should be Meg's main pic, as the torso bit is the only problem. It won't be visible in thumbnail format anyhow. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::::The Megatron model has two heads, a standard head and the battle head. The final promotional render with all the completed surface detail, which we are using, uses the standard head. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Admins, please put "Yes" after your name if you think the current image should be changed to [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg this one], or "No" if you think it should stay as-is.[[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

The current poll:

[[User:ItsWalky]]: He hasn't officially voted yet, but it seems as though his answer will be '''"No."'''

[[User:Steve-o]]:Insert vote here

[[User:Suki Brits]]:I think she says '''"No,"''' too.

[[User:Chris McFeely]]:Insert vote here

:If I missed an admin, please notify them and add them here. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::you know, the admins aren't the only ones who have a say in this. And given that the model in the current image is almost if not completely identical to the one used in the movie it should be left as is. IMO, your argument is kinda like saying we need a new main image for [[Optimus Primal]] because it has a mouth doesn't have a full faceplate like the final model, even though the final model had both "mouth" and "faceplate" versions. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, we can't poll ''everyone''. I'm relatively new, lucky enough to have found the admins listed somewhere. I wouldn't know who else to ask. And That Primal thing does not make sense. I ''know'' he had a mouth ''and'' a [[mouthplate]]. I'm saying the current image has the '''''wrong head''''', and it should be fixed. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::::This is bordering on farce.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Agreed. If Inferno's Queen does not immediately drop the matter, I will get rid of her for refusing to stop wasting all of our time and polluting the Recent changes page with this retarded personal gripe. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

:::::<big>'''I'''</big>

:::::<big>'''AM'''</big>

:::::<big>'''A'''</big>

:::::<big>'''GUY!'''</big> [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

:Inferno's Queen, it's like I said on the image's talk page: we don't have a full body shot of Megatron's final design, so we're going with the most accurate one. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

After the poll is completed, this will end. Deal?[[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:...you don't get to dictate policy to admins.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::That's not quite true. If she keeps this up, she'll likely dictate a permaban on herself :p --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:21, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Fine already! I'll leave the issue alone if you stop calling me a girl!
:::<big>'''''I AM A GUY!!!'''''</big> [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 12:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Seriously, dude, is this all you've got to offer?! This is such an incredibly minor issue that it's nowhere worth the amount of discussion that has already gone on about it. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

This is mind-blowingly petty. I don't feel the need to express any opinion on the matter, it's pretty damn clear what the consensus is. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 04:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== video game info ==

should we edit it to have more info on megatron in the game?
:...Deathy? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

==Weapon names==
The article currently contains the current text in its movie summary: "Megatron declared that if Prime wished to defend them, he should die with them, forming his fusion cannon. Before he could fire, the Autobot leader drew his ion blaster and fired, hitting Megatron." Do we have any reason/justification for referring to those weapons so specifically as a fusion cannon and ion blaster? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
:In the trivia section of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Prime]]'s article, it's called an ion blaster. As for the fusion cannon...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
::Doesn't Leader Megatron's toy packaging say "Arms combine to form fusion cannon!" or something along those lines? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Answering my own question by looking up DVD's review, yes it does. And the product listing at Hasbro.com says: "Robot mode also features a launching rocket claw that becomes a chain whip, and arms that combine to create a fusion cannon!" --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

==Language==
According to the Circuit City voice featurette, the producers made up an alien language (or Hugo Weaving did, the wording is vague), and Weaving is shown speaking in it as Megatron. Did this make it into the final film? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 14:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

:There *is* a Cybertronian language spoken by several characters (Frenzy most notably, I guess, plus Starscream, and actually 'every' Decepticon during the call-up scene) but nobody really knows if it's just jibberish with a flanger on or something. That, and Megs 'never' speaks Cybertronian in the movie, so this makes it even stranger. The idea behind the Cybertronians speaking a different language isn't Weaving's, however, because that was in the leaked script that came out long before Weaving was cast. [[User:71.60.159.181|71.60.159.181]] 23:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::Actually Megatron did speak Cybertronian in the movie (it was during when he first landed in Mission City).

==Encased in ice at the bottom of the ocean?==
Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no ice at the bottom of the ocean. Ice is less dense than water so any particles cold enough to freeze float above those who aren't cold enough. (Contrary to normal laws of convection; ice is weird like that) so Megatron and the Decepticons wouldn't be icy at all. Just really cold and crushed under immense water pressure.

: Indeed, because water increases in volume when it freezes,t the freezing point of water ''decreases'' with pressure, i.e. it becomes harder to freeze water which is under pressure. This is the reason why liquid oceans are believed to exist under Europa's icy coating, for example. [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 07:21, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

==Megu said ''what''?==
When Megu arrives in Mission City, he says two sentences. Just when he lands, he says something that I heard as "Let me play!" But what did he say after that? Because, the article says that Megu again declared his name when arriving in M City, but he didn't sound like that. Will someone clarify what exactly he said? StarShade 09:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
:He was speaking Cybertronian, no-one knows exactly what he says. Although he does appear to pronounce his name one more time.

==Premium==
Does anyone know if the premium series leader Megatron has corrected the assembly errors?--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:53, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

==Screen Grabs==
Well since the trailer has been offically released, and Megatron has a few good clear shots in it, can we post a pic or two under ROTF? Mainly the one where he apparently comes out of the water, which appears to be the best looking shot. Just a sugestion.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 17:47, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

==Triple Changer in ROTF?==
Now, I'm terribly sorry I don't have more info than this, but I was at the mall w/ my GF and picked up a guide to ROTF. Most of the info seemed pretty modern and accurate (things like Jetfire being a seeker and such) and they said that upon his revival, Megatron had become a triple-changer, able to take both modes. I don't know the name of it although... nope, can't find it on Amazon. Can someone else comment on this matter? Has anything been shown to support this or has anyone else seen this guide? The store owner said it was just put out that day, so this may be new. IDK. --[[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 20:57, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
:This is correct. In the adaptation he assumes both alt-forms.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:18, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
::In the adaptations he never really "becomes" a triple-changer. At least they don't mention that he ever gains the ability. He just shown to be able to transform into three modes. I'm not sure if we are supposed to believe he always had the ability but didn't have an occasion to turn into a tank before or what. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:36, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Having bought the book now, I can confirm that it says Megatron's status as a triple-changer is the result of his revival, and that it is fairly rare amongst Cybertronians.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:19, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Slight problem. In the novels and what not, he is distinctly described as retaining his jet mode. In the actual film, all scenes where he uses the jet, well, lack it [[User:Eire]]
::::Not really a problem. Adaptations have been mismatched before, and as long as ''one'' source calls him a a triple-changer, in those exact words, it's valid. We don't really need to reconcile the adaptations. That's not our job.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:39, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::From what I remember in the movie you never get a clear look at his flight mode, just the blue glow of his afterburners in the distance. He definitely has a tank mode, but I couldn't tell whether his flight mode is just the tank with the jet engines turned on or a separate vehicle mode, or the tank with wings... Heck it could be a giant flying lunchbox for all I could see. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 17:03, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::His flight mode is a flat square-ish thing - basically, the Voyager toy, but steel instead of green.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 18:04, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

== G1 homage, anyone? ==
His head has a helmet-like portion very similar to the helmet-like section of G1 Megatron's head. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 21:15, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
:Not really.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:17, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
::Well, yeah. He does really.
: : You're thinking of G1 GALVATRON, not Megatron. Galvatron has horns. Megatron has a helmet.
::::Either way, whooptidoo. "Megatron looks like Megatron." Not impressed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:59, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

== Robot Mode flight ==

Is that a new ability? I don't seem to recall him being able to just fly around in the first movie, but it has been a while since I've seen it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:28, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

: Do you mean when he lands on the skyscraper, or was there another instance? I figured that he was just continuing on the momentum when he popped out of flying tank mode. How do his jet engines configure in robot mode, maybe they helped? [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 17:23, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
::I was going by memory of the movie. Of course Megatron and the other Decepticons swam up from the abyss. That is multi-ton metal robots swimming to the surface. That is almost flying. Then when they got to open air, I seem to remember them just flying away in robot-mode, but I can't say for certain without seeing it again. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:47, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That's right, I'd forgotten about that. We should check whether his boosters were in some sort of "jetpack configuration" for that shot (like Starscream's thrusters), that would square it up. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 19:49, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::He uses his jet-tank mode to fly in both instances (seemingly transforming just as he breaks the surface when underwater). I checked.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:58, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

==Toy split==
I think it's well past time we split the toys into their own subpage... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:28, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
* Seconded. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 15:12, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
**I agree. --[[Special:Contributions/99.232.46.76|99.232.46.76]] 15:59, 23 September 2009 (EDT)

==Reviewing the toys on the wiki==
As long as users such as Walky are (rightly) removing the reviewish comments from the toy descriptions, is there any way one of us can rewrite Movie 1 Legends Megatron's description? The whole thing is taking shots at the toy. If it's inappropriate for the larger Megatrons in the line, then it's inappropriate for this one as well. [[User:Fiction Alchemist|C. V. Reynolds]] 17:56, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

==ROTF Megatron prototype on the back of the box==
:"In a rather bizarre twist, the back of megatron's box depicts him with no feet, the foot part of the threads simply did not exist in the test shot prototype. It also appears the threads were originally longer. The button to hold the blade back did not exist either. The prototype even had a production error: the small wheels molded on the back threads are molded on the wrong side, thus they end up on the top of the threads instead of the bottom." I've originaly posted this with they toy after looking at the box for some time. The toy realy did not have feet like the final toy, the threads were also alot shorter then the final toy. I know that the discription i gave it is not done all that well, but i still stand that it's worth to note.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 13:00, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

:Anyone? Am i realy the only one who thinks the legs almost have totaly difrently molded legs?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:01, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

== Triple change: misinformation or abandoned concept? ==

The article states that ''[[Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe]]'' and the [[Revenge of the Fallen (comic series)|comic adaptation]] created the idea of Megatron being a triple changer. However, the [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novelization]] mentions that he's a fighter jet several times, and that he takes his tank mode during the battle in Egypt. Additionally, the previsual shots shown on the special two-disc pack show Megatron chasing down Optimus Prime while in jet mode. Is it possible that Megatron really was meant to be a triple changer, and it was simply dropped from the final cut? We an cite plenty of stuff like that happening in the adaptations. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:57, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
:Didn't someone (Orci?) claim that they wanted to save triple changers for movie 3, and there was thus never going to be triple-changing within the movie itself? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:37, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

== Beast wars homage? ==

The rotf voyager toy, kinda looks like beast wars megatron. (Big two finger "claw on the right side, wings and dinosaurish legs)

== rotter! ==

what exactly did megatron say when half his face was blasted to slag it sounded like "rotter!" only garbled

Talk:Mixmaster (ROTF)

2011-02-17T11:36:16Z

Manmcmanman: /* Beast Wars Reference? */

==Toy Image Joke==
"That's the second biggest Decepticon insignia i've ever seen!"

Could the author enlighten us as to which was the largest by turning "biggest" into a link? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 11:07, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:[[Giant Decepticon insignia|This one]], maybe? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:16, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::I think between that, and Astrotrain, and Dropkick, the joke pretty much fails. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:51, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Yep! Though I think the joke starts working again if we can get it up to "That's the fifteenth biggest Decepticon insignia I've ever seen!" So let's get crackin'. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:00, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Perhaps we should change the caption to "I've seen bigger Decepticon insignias" with links to toys with larger ones. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 12:20, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>pulls out sarcasm-o-meter* ...I'm sitting here trying to figure out how many of the people in this discussion actually did or didn't get the reference. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:43, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

Category: Giant insignia? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:40, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:Seconded :) [[Special:Contributions/212.74.27.55|212.74.27.55]] 09:24, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

== Beast Wars Reference? ==

Perhaps I am in folly here, but during the final battle, right after he shields himself from enemy fire and before Jetfire ''Slaughters'' him, he seems to pull a triple-barreled cannon from his nethers, which he fires once.
It might be just me, but the image really made me think of Beast Wars Rampage. Does this qualiffy as trivia?
[[User:ThiAthEhn|Mischa]] 06:10, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
:No, not at all. And Barricade wasn't in ROTF at all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:25, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
he said ''rampage'' not barricade you wazzock

== Misassembled ==
I actually got the cab-hinge working without having to flip any pieces, but has anyone tried swapping the figure's hips? They look like they should be on the opposite legs--that'd put the "finished" parts forward, hide the screw holes, and may even improve the range of motion. Is this worth adding to the article? [[Special:Contributions/68.38.201.101|68.38.201.101]] 16:19, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
:It's just the stock photography that shows the legs that way: it's not really clear, but steps 14, 15 and 16 in the instructions show you the proper way to work the hips. I ''would'' be interested in hearing how you fixed the cab without switching anything, though. --[[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 18:01, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
::How exactly do you drive the pin out?[[Special:Contributions/24.89.74.34|24.89.74.34]] 13:58, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

:Okay, this whole misassembly thing has been questioned on at least one toy review website who didn't have any problems whatsoever. Is it actually true or not? Normally, if it had been one of our staff members who wrote... well, I'd question it anyway, but this time it's somebody who doesn't often edit on the wiki who asserts this. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:34, 14 July 2009 (EDT)

It's actually the instructions that are wrong about the cab's shaft being partially misassembled. If you bend the shaft so the cab's hinged tab can go into the gun, you'll notice the slot is perfectly angled for that. Also, according to the instructions, the shaft is a LOT less hidden.

==Voyager toy==
:Am i the only one here who thinks the entire thing is just noting the toys ''many'' flows without actually talking about it?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 09:39, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:: Yeah, that's just a LITTLE BIT OVERKILL. Jesus, just say where he's misassembled. Can anyone more familiar with the toy cut that down to a sentence or two? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:12, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::As I've said above, a toy review site questioned our assertion in this article (and apparently our Myspace thing which I can't access) that Mixmaster is misassembled. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:40, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Can't someone add more info about the actual toy instead of the ranting about the messed up stuff? [[Special:Contributions/220.134.30.107|220.134.30.107]] 21:38, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Evidently nobody here who owns it cares to talk about the actual toy, and the only person to wrote about the toy only did so to complain about it. Since nobody has given me a good explanation about the whole misassembly thing, I'm ditching the lot of it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:55, 18 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::I own him! Too lazy to actually write about it, though, beyond the review I did for TFViews, and oh God I'm not logged in, well, it's Onslaught Six, anyway. [[Special:Contributions/71.60.161.100|71.60.161.100]] 11:56, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

The toy isn't miss assembled in most cases. The instructions are wrong, just like they were for Voyager Star Scream, concerning the hinged hands and guns.

== Main Image ==

What would you put as a main image for the page?

== second biggest? ==

Not that i don't appreciate a good Monkey Island homage from time to time, but with all those links in that text, isn't it kinda conflicting with the word "second"? --[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 17:13, 28 July 2009 (EDT)

== Autobot Mixmaster? ==
Okay, so in [http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ben_procter_rotf_12.jpg this image] from Ben Procter, the early head design is made to resemble an actor. Looks to be Brendan Gleeson. Anyone ever hear any rumbles of him being cast for ROTF? Also, note the Autobot symbol on the concept art. Explains the "friendlier" face with the nose and big eyes.--[[User:MCRG Again|MCRG Again]] 01:16, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:Scratch that. It IS [http://www.giratempoweb.net/gallery/data/media/14/Brendan_Gleeson_1.jpg Brendan Gleeson]. Huh.--[[User:MCRG Again|MCRG Again]] 01:17, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

== "Listen UP" ==

Mixmaster actually says listen up, it's just very garbled. [[Special:Contributions/69.230.74.60|69.230.74.60]] 00:25, 6 February 2010 (EST)
:Yes, he does. I wonder if it was a voice acotr?--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 19:50, 24 February 2010 (EST)
::Well mixmaster was originally listed as mike patton being his voice. It's possible they cut out his lines, but forgot this one--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 23:30, 20 August 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Mixmaster (ROTF)

2011-02-17T11:35:08Z

Manmcmanman: /* Beast Wars Reference? */

==Toy Image Joke==
"That's the second biggest Decepticon insignia i've ever seen!"

Could the author enlighten us as to which was the largest by turning "biggest" into a link? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 11:07, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:[[Giant Decepticon insignia|This one]], maybe? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:16, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::I think between that, and Astrotrain, and Dropkick, the joke pretty much fails. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:51, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Yep! Though I think the joke starts working again if we can get it up to "That's the fifteenth biggest Decepticon insignia I've ever seen!" So let's get crackin'. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:00, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Perhaps we should change the caption to "I've seen bigger Decepticon insignias" with links to toys with larger ones. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 12:20, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>pulls out sarcasm-o-meter* ...I'm sitting here trying to figure out how many of the people in this discussion actually did or didn't get the reference. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:43, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

Category: Giant insignia? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:40, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:Seconded :) [[Special:Contributions/212.74.27.55|212.74.27.55]] 09:24, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

== Beast Wars Reference? ==

Perhaps I am in folly here, but during the final battle, right after he shields himself from enemy fire and before Jetfire ''Slaughters'' him, he seems to pull a triple-barreled cannon from his nethers, which he fires once.
It might be just me, but the image really made me think of Beast Wars Rampage. Does this qualiffy as trivia?
[[User:ThiAthEhn|Mischa]] 06:10, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
:No, not at all. And Barricade wasn't in ROTF at all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:25, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
he said ''rampage''not barricade you wazzock

== Misassembled ==
I actually got the cab-hinge working without having to flip any pieces, but has anyone tried swapping the figure's hips? They look like they should be on the opposite legs--that'd put the "finished" parts forward, hide the screw holes, and may even improve the range of motion. Is this worth adding to the article? [[Special:Contributions/68.38.201.101|68.38.201.101]] 16:19, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
:It's just the stock photography that shows the legs that way: it's not really clear, but steps 14, 15 and 16 in the instructions show you the proper way to work the hips. I ''would'' be interested in hearing how you fixed the cab without switching anything, though. --[[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 18:01, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
::How exactly do you drive the pin out?[[Special:Contributions/24.89.74.34|24.89.74.34]] 13:58, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

:Okay, this whole misassembly thing has been questioned on at least one toy review website who didn't have any problems whatsoever. Is it actually true or not? Normally, if it had been one of our staff members who wrote... well, I'd question it anyway, but this time it's somebody who doesn't often edit on the wiki who asserts this. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:34, 14 July 2009 (EDT)

It's actually the instructions that are wrong about the cab's shaft being partially misassembled. If you bend the shaft so the cab's hinged tab can go into the gun, you'll notice the slot is perfectly angled for that. Also, according to the instructions, the shaft is a LOT less hidden.

==Voyager toy==
:Am i the only one here who thinks the entire thing is just noting the toys ''many'' flows without actually talking about it?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 09:39, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:: Yeah, that's just a LITTLE BIT OVERKILL. Jesus, just say where he's misassembled. Can anyone more familiar with the toy cut that down to a sentence or two? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:12, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::As I've said above, a toy review site questioned our assertion in this article (and apparently our Myspace thing which I can't access) that Mixmaster is misassembled. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:40, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Can't someone add more info about the actual toy instead of the ranting about the messed up stuff? [[Special:Contributions/220.134.30.107|220.134.30.107]] 21:38, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Evidently nobody here who owns it cares to talk about the actual toy, and the only person to wrote about the toy only did so to complain about it. Since nobody has given me a good explanation about the whole misassembly thing, I'm ditching the lot of it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:55, 18 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::I own him! Too lazy to actually write about it, though, beyond the review I did for TFViews, and oh God I'm not logged in, well, it's Onslaught Six, anyway. [[Special:Contributions/71.60.161.100|71.60.161.100]] 11:56, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

The toy isn't miss assembled in most cases. The instructions are wrong, just like they were for Voyager Star Scream, concerning the hinged hands and guns.

== Main Image ==

What would you put as a main image for the page?

== second biggest? ==

Not that i don't appreciate a good Monkey Island homage from time to time, but with all those links in that text, isn't it kinda conflicting with the word "second"? --[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 17:13, 28 July 2009 (EDT)

== Autobot Mixmaster? ==
Okay, so in [http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ben_procter_rotf_12.jpg this image] from Ben Procter, the early head design is made to resemble an actor. Looks to be Brendan Gleeson. Anyone ever hear any rumbles of him being cast for ROTF? Also, note the Autobot symbol on the concept art. Explains the "friendlier" face with the nose and big eyes.--[[User:MCRG Again|MCRG Again]] 01:16, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:Scratch that. It IS [http://www.giratempoweb.net/gallery/data/media/14/Brendan_Gleeson_1.jpg Brendan Gleeson]. Huh.--[[User:MCRG Again|MCRG Again]] 01:17, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

== "Listen UP" ==

Mixmaster actually says listen up, it's just very garbled. [[Special:Contributions/69.230.74.60|69.230.74.60]] 00:25, 6 February 2010 (EST)
:Yes, he does. I wonder if it was a voice acotr?--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 19:50, 24 February 2010 (EST)
::Well mixmaster was originally listed as mike patton being his voice. It's possible they cut out his lines, but forgot this one--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 23:30, 20 August 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)

2011-02-17T11:09:44Z

Manmcmanman: /* worm thing */ new section

'''We do not care about leaks. Do not tell us who you saw on the set. Do not present us with images of stolen toys. Unless you can [[Help:Official info|source it in an official press release or reputable news source]], we do not care. Please stop telling us who you saw in set photography.'''

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|title=Talk:Dark of the Moon (film) Archives
|content=*[[Talk:Dark of the Moon (film)/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
}}

== TITLE ==

[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-3-title-revealed-the-dark-of-the-moon/19947/ Looks like we've got a title.]

--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:35, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:Can I just go on record that that is a crappy name? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:42, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::I agree with you, but it comes with many joke opportunities.
::I just.....haven't figured out what they are yet. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:53, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::All I can think of is the Alabama song "Fire In The Night". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:57, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::The ''Dark'' of the moon? Does that mean the movie is going to be just another one of those crappy conspiracy theories saying the US didn't get to the moon first? Does this mean this is hardly going to be a movie about Transformers? This seems pretty likely. Also, that name is just borderline teen novel. Hopefully they'll change everything at the last minute into something relatively better like they did before. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 09:59, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Here are some jokes we could use.
:::::"Dark Side of the Moon was taken."
:::::"Is it a Twilight crossover?"
:::::(Thank you Seibertron forum posters!) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:01, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::I hadn't even thought about Twilight until Loki said teen novel. Now, I can't get the word "Vampformers" out of my head. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:08, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Does this mean the main pic has to be that shot of John Turturro's as from ROTF?[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 10:22, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::No and shame on you for even thinking it. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:27, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::One thing I really like from the first 3 movies (86,07,09) wiki articles are the running joke used throughout. Star Wars, the 86 movie, and Empire Strikes Back. I would have thought we would use nothing but Return of the Jedi quotes here, but with this new title part of me thinks it would be great to use nothing but lyrics off the Dark Side of the Moon album. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 12:36, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::We picked Star Wars and Empire for their respective films because the TF creative teams in those years specifically compared their products to those films--it was us making a joke out of their marketing idea. Though having captions about ROTJ would obviously "complete the set," I'm kind of against us making jokes out of ''our own traditions'' instead of the traditions of the franchise creators. It would seem like we're just jerking off. So I'd actually prefer Pink Floyd too. Of course, given that there's still a year for someone at Paramount to make a comparison between the respective 3rd films, the point may be moot. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:02, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Actually, using Pink Floyd quotes here would preserve and extend the pattern we have going. 1st Movie/Star Wars Universe quotes, 2nd Movie/Non-SW quotes, 3rd Movie/SW Universe quotes, 4th Movie/Non-SW quotes. Remember that 1st - 4th is in real world terms, ignoring the fact that the 1st movie was not part of the same universe as the current trilogy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:10, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::Agreed. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:29, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

Should we also put in a note that "dark of the moon" is real phrase and not completely made up? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:35, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

Ahem. IT WAS THE DARK OF THE MOON ON THE SIXTH OF JUNE WITH A KENWORTH HAULIN' LOGS/ CABOVER PETE WITH A REEFER ON AND A JIMMY HAULIN HOGS/ WE WAS HEADED FOR BEAR ON I-1-OH ABOUT A MILE OUTTA SHAKEY TOWN/ I SAID "PIG PEN THIS HERE'S THE RUBBER DUCK, WE'RE ABOUT TO PUT THE HAMMER DOWN." -hx at work, this is all the caption you need.
:ARGH! I can't believe I forgot that! I can just see the "bout to put the hammer down" part as an Optimus Prime caption ("Convoy", don't you know. :)). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:49, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::I agree with this comment. Also, now we have a title, is it time to add it to the left-hand navigation menu? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:16, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Save it for the Japanese release info. "Ironically enough, not a great big Convoy rockin' through the night." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:30, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
I don't see any Amazon listings anymore, but the [http://www.transformersmovie.com Transformers movie website] is called "Transformers: Dark of the Moon". (Don't look at the logo, look at the title of the website in the web browser.) Should we lose the "the"? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:43, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:At the same time, the domain they registered is "transformersthedarkofthemoonmovie.com", which has the leading "The" in it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:00, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::"transformersdarkofthemoonmovie.com" is also registered by the same party. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:03, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Why would they register it with the "The" if "The" isn't in the title? Whereas I can see why they'd also register it without, because people might accidentally leave it out when typing the url (and also for brand protection). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:57, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Similar reasons apply for registering the name with a superfluous "the". "The dark of the moon" is a preexisting term, people might easily insert it by mistake. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:08, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::IDK, the title of a web page just doesn't seem like enough to me to move the page. The titles on Amazon all had "The" in them, which might have been added mistakenly by whoever added them there, or might not have been. I suspect we should wait for some sort of official unveiling, because if we move the page now, we may well just be moving it back later. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:13, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::According to the teaser trailer, at least in Latin America, the international title of the movie is '''Transformers 3''' (THANK GOD). Should we put it on the article?-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 03:28, 1 January 2011 (EST)

== Uh, Walky.... ==

How does "www.transformersdarksideofthemoon.com." confirm that "The Dark of the Moon" is the title? Or did you put in the "side" in that URL by mistake? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:56, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
: Yeah. Mistake. Durrr. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:02, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:: Fixed. I expect this slip-up to happen only 30,000 more times. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:03, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, mainly I was asking on the off chance that the other things we've found had accidentally left out the "side". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:07, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

== Accident ==

Does last month's stunt accident where an extra got critically injured belong on this page, and if yes, where?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:22, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:I thought the top of this page said that the wiki does not care about news on the set. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 14:46, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::This is '''obviously''' not the kind of news the top of the page is talking about. Yes, the accident and lawsuit should be addressed on the page for the movie. Where, I dunno. Probably its own section. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:58, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Maybe "Production", if it ever gets made. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:30, 7 October 2010 (EDT)

== Disambig? ==

What are we going to use as the disambiguation suffix for this movie? I used (TDOTM) for the Carly artilce I created, but I could see just (DOTM) instead, or perhaps something from out of left field -- [[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 23:04, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:(TDOTM) would be the most consistent. But (TF3) would be cool. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:22, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::The only other franchise I can find with an initial "the" is [[The Headmasters]], which has the disambiguation suffix (Headmasters). Going by that, I would say (DOTM). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:20, 8 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Considering Hasbro applied for the trademark "Dark of the Moon" without "the", I'm favoring (DOTM) too.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:05, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
::::(TDOTM) is a horrible disambig. I prefer (DOTM). --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:11, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

== The Superfund Armored Truck as Sixshot and Rosenbaurer as Inferno ==

November-21=Michael Bay confirms the Superfund Armored Truck as Sixshot.
:Hi. Cite a source. Sign your posts. Thank you. Goodbye. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:22, 21 November 2010 (EST)

== Should we add Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin? ==

Well, should we?

-ThiAthEhn
: And [[Walter Cronkite]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:56, 10 December 2010 (EST)

::Well, the question is, will they actually be ''in'' the film? This teaser feels very much like the teaser for the first movie, in that we may see only a little, or possibly even none, of the actual content of it in the film. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:57, 10 December 2010 (EST)

:::And we don't know if (though unlikely) they are main cast. And save their page for another day. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 12:00, 10 December 2010 (EST)
::::I dunno, I think all promotional stuff still counts as "fiction" under our mandate. While they shouldn't be on the main cast list, I wouldn't be opposed to making articles on them and making some mention of them on the article. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:16, 10 December 2010 (EST)
:::::And in any case, we already have a [[Neil Armstrong]] page, per [[Ghosts of Yesterday]]. So I'll ask my question here: how much do we want to put into that article? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 14:42, 10 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I'm tired of seeing useless perpetually incomplete pages for trivial as fuck foil characters that usually were only ''mentioned'' in the movie or even movie novelization in question and have no real story signifigance at all. I respectfully say nay to more character pages like this and I would recommend deleting such pages that are already created, such as the Mohammud page. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:14, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Then that's really too friggin' bad, because ''that's what this wiki is for.'' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:28, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::You really want your wiki to go to hell, to run rampant with the constant mindless page creations of anonymous IP adresses? You made one of the qualifications to delete a page "We are not a dictonary," but now you want to contradict yourself. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:32, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Uh, we've been making pages like this since the very beginning of the wiki back in 2006. At no point has this site ever succumbed to your insane scenario. So pardon me if my eyes roll so hard they pop out of my skull. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:36, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::What you said officially makes it okay to make pages like the pages made by anons from the start, so now you have put yourself in the situation where now a whole lot of anons who look around without editing will get that idea and tell all their friends about it and soon you have too many pages for Detour to put the speedy template on. Sure, in the past this has never happened, but now there is the possibility. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:39, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::Now that we're going to continue doing the exact same thing we've been doing for the past four years, suddenly it's all going to be different now and ruin us. Got it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:41, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::It's not that you've been doing the same thing all along, it's now you've said that doing what has been described now is alright and acceptable, and you seem to be ignoring/avoiding that. Besides, of course the consequences are not going to affect you immediately, so you shouldn't just assume that if the ramifications aren't immediate then there aren't any at all. Your 16-year-old level of sarcasm and quickness to attempt to avoid a situation is what makes people not like you. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:47, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::I'm not ignoring anything, because I shouldn't have to distinguish for you the differences between making a page for a guy featured heavily in a trailer for a blockbuster Transformers film and between making a page for "floor." The difference seems to be obvious to everyone else. Do you have any other recourse to people disagreeing with you that isn't calling them an X-year-old? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:58, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::::The reason I used the X-year-old argument is because that is what I usually only see here that warrants a recourse from me, what with the "Um, yes it does" and "pardon me if my eyes roll so hard they pop out of my skull" statements. I understand now that you have from the start always had a staff that can make the distinction between what is too little information and what isn't and make decisions based on that. I don't think that most people know what "too little information" is (including myself), so maybe that could be something you could put into the FAQ of the wiki for anons that want to be good editors but aren't and so people like me don't go anally retentive apeshit and get in heated arguments with the wiki's administrator. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 12:10, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::::When the sole basis of your argument is "tons of anons will make bad pages", it's kind of hard to do anything but roll one's eyes at it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:14, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::Anons will make useless pages regardless of policies. I truly doubt making a page about Buzz Aldrin is suddenly going to open the floodgates for pages about grass, the birds, the bees, the peanut butter jelly time banana and Zartan's male pattern baldness. Your apocalypse scenario is ridiculous to say the least. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:01, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::They exist in the Transformers universe. Why shouldn't we have pages for them? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:17, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Saying something like, "What would Jesus do?" is not making them in-universe. Besides, the pages always stay shitty and are just bytes of worthless space-taking crap. What if the wiki made a whole page for every single obscure character that happened to be seen in a passing glance of the camera? The whole wiki would be have millions of pages of crap that nobody cares about. Besides, if somebody wanted to read about Buzz aldrin, they could just go to wikipedia. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:21, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Um, yes it does. If someone mentions Jesus in Transformers, that means that Jesus is in the Transformers universe? That'd be like if there was a standalone story where someone mentions how Bumblebee is a great scout, but Bumblebee doesn't appear otherwise. Does that mean Bumblebee doesn't exist? And there's a difference between making an article for someone who has no name, personality, or role, and making an article for someone who has a name and has a role hinted at. (We wouldn't make an article for a generic with no dialogue who's just there in the background, but we WOULD make an article for Bumblebee since he was named and we know that he's a scout.) And what if someone was curious about what Buzz Aldrin did in the Transformers world? Wikipedia wouldn't have that. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:24, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::You know very fucking well what I am talking about, don't act like a ten-year-old. I do not mean that important characters fiction wise (as in appearing in more than one piece of fiction in one universe) shouldn't have pages, they do have pages that account what they are important in. I mean not have pages about characters like the [[Muhammad]] or [[Jesus]] page that have no significance whatsoever in any piece of fiction. If they were more important in another piece of fiction, then they could have pages. What I want is quality control that isn't headed by ten-year-olds or anal people. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:29, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::But they do have significance. A character mentions them and gives some details. Small significance, but they exist. When I said "standalone", I was referring to a whole new universe, where we don't know if Bumblebee exists or not. Then, someone confirms he exists, so we make a page for him. How am I acting like a ten-year-old?
:::::::::::(I WILL admit there's a line. Remember "History vid Megatron", anyone?) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:34, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::I think someone needs a timeout. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:02, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::I remember "history vid Megatron"! According to a history video in Animated, he was a Decepticon during Animated's Great War. He looked like he commanded at least a platoon or something. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:19, 14 December 2010 (EST)

== Astronomical/Apollo Errors in Trailer ==

The trailer seems to suggest that, after it landed, Apollo 11 passed around to the dark side of the moon, or out of radio range, or something. This is, of course, nonsense, since the moon doesn't rotate with respect to Earth. If the trailer counts as canon, do we want to start an errors section for this? [[User:JW|JW]] 14:59, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:I think it is canon. That was strange. That looked like a real clip from Walter Cronkite, but maybe it was spliced together from different reports. Or maybe it was actually from before the landing when they were still in orbit. They sort of undercut the impact of the radio silence bit when mission control was still able to communicate with them. Maybe it was Sector 7 technology? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:19, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:: My reading of the trailer was that the astronauts WALKED to the far side of the moon once the feed was cut, explored, and then returned all within 21 minutes. Which is just as ridiculous. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:24, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::You could be right. I was thrown off by one image where they were right next to the lander when they were "dark on the rock". That was probably out of sequence. Then again, being a movie trailer, the whole thing may be various images and dialog thrown together without regard to sequence. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:34, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::But ''did'' they go to the dark side? I took "dark on the rock" to mean that communications were nil, that they were "in the dark", as it were. A figurative phrase, not literal. After all - you can SEE the Earth in the sky behind the spaceship! That couldn't be the dark side! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:02, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Cronkite says "We now have had confirmation of loss of signal from Apollo 11. Apollo 11 is on the far side of the moon". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:07, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::"Apollo 11" is the name of the mission, which involved the Columbia rocketship and the Lunar module that landed. The Columbia was in lunar orbit while Buzz and Neil were on the surface of the planet. The Columbia part of Apollo 11 definitely could have been on the far side of the moon, unless it, was, like, circling the exact circumference of the moon that we can see from Earth. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:13, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Mind, the actual "dark side of the moon" where the Autobot spaceship had crashed sure had a lot of friggin' light about and plenty of crisp shadows. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:09, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I tried to find out if the lander bounced signals off the ''Columbia'' but my Google skills failed me. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:18, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I'm pretty sure the whole "Dark of the Moon", "dark on the rock" thing is figurative, to both describe the mystery on the Moon and NASA's real reason for traveling there, rather than literally "the ''Ark'' crashed on the dark side of the moon, and the dark side of the moon is a short walk from Tranquility Base." [http://science.howstuffworks.com/lunar-landing2.htm This article] suggests that ''Columbia'' served as the communications link between ''Eagle'' and Earth. Wish I could find a better article or source, but my google-fu is not great. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:50, 22 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::Even taking that as figurative, the trailer shows the Earth close to the horizon, when it should be nearly directly overhead. It also appears to move between shots only a short time apart. [[User:JW|JW]] 06:55, 22 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Yea, it doesn't look like an actual error, except the movie makers wanted the Earth in every shot (I don't blame them). But the trailer doesn't make it clear that the ''Columbia'' is a communications link or anything like that so it is confusing. If it wasn't on the far side of the Moon, I don't see how they could have kept it secret. Anyone with a big enough telescope would be able to see it, I would think. At least observatories. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:19, 22 December 2010 (EST)

== MEGATRON IN DARK OF THE MOON ==
I have been looking around the internet about Transformers 3, and everywhere says that Megatron is returning for Transformers 3 as a Mack Titan Tanker Truck, I know that Michael Bay hasen't released any news yet on any Decepticons apart from Shockwave, but if Hasbro didn't release the pictures of the Megatron tanker truck toy, how the hell did they get on the internet, even Leader Class Ironhide pictures are around. Does anyone think that megatron should be added to the Decepticons?
Thanks Plo Koon 1
:It's most likely a stolen prototype from a factory, and NO, Megatron '''will not be added until Hasbro or Michael Bay or some other official source says he's in'''. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:42, 27 December 2010 (EST)
:Kindly go away and never return. This is all you do, come here once a movie is in production and either add stolen info, or rant on talk pages about how we should add stolen info, and frankly I am sick of it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:13, 27 December 2010 (EST)
::Why don't you go look up some more information and get adding to the page instead of waiting for Michael Bay's and Hasbro's precious information. {{unsigned|Plo Koon 1}}
:::Because we only use OFFICIAL information. If it doesn't come from Hasbro, Bay or another official source, it ISN'T information as far as we are concerned.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:45, 27 December 2010 (EST)
:::Yeah, that's a great idea, let's post every single thing anonymous people post on Wikipedia, that's the best way to do research. Or post about stolen toys, thieves are always the best source of info. And then we'll have to take it down, because it turns out to be wrong. Or get crap from Hasbro, because it's stolen. That'll work out great. This Wiki is interested in getting things ''right'', not ''first''. The policy and the reasons for it have been explained quite clearly. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 16:53, 27 December 2010 (EST)

== Ashton Kutcher ==

Just noticed, along with Ben Kingsley theres a spoof of the Heidi Montag audition by Ashton Kutcher. I can't put a link in though, as i have no idea how to.[[User:Burnout|Burnout]] 11:40, 20 January 2011 (EST)Burnout

Just paste it!—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 13:05, 23 January 2011 (EST)

== THE FIRST offical Images for DOTM Toys ==
Are these Officals right? http://www.asmzine.com/geekly-rewind/2011/01/28/toy-fair-uk-images-of-starscream-and-ironhide/ If so then its time to add these pics to Starscream and Ironhide Pages and make the DOTM Toyline Page well that its if anybody here considers these officals—[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]] 28 January 2011 (EST)
:Well, the article ''claims'' the pics are from Hasbro, but we better hold off until we're sure (as well as hold off on creating any 'MechTech' articles) - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 22:41, 28 January 2011 (EST)
::ASM would be the last site in the world to lie about that. They're official, and they were delivered to most every Transformers website. I wouldn't be surprised if we got them too, but I'm not [[User:Monzo|Monzo]], so I couldn't tell you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:48, 28 January 2011 (EST)
:::Yes, we received the images from Hasbro as well. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:23, 29 January 2011 (EST)
::::Thank You, Jesus, we finally got toy pics that aren't stolen prototypes! :D - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:19, 29 January 2011 (EST)

== Ratchet and Ironhide ==
i think we should add ratchet and Ironhide in the cast and character list sicne the 2 were in the trailer and the trailer like an Offical Source—[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]

== Laserbeak (?) ==

A bird-robot was also in the trailer.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 19:51, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:Looked more dragon-y than bird-y to me. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:03, 9 February 2011 (EST)
::Either way, the wiki isn't much of a place for speculation so whoever it is is moot until we get an official toy listing or promotional render. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:07, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:::Indeed, Detour. It could be Laserbeak, or Buzzsaw, or something new. Could it be Laserbeak? Most likely, yes. However, like Detour said, TFwiki.net doesn't deal with "most likely". Be patient, folks; we'll find out soon enough (the movie will be out in five months and we might find out officially before then). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:40, 9 February 2011 (EST)

== New guys? ==

Just a question. From the Superbowl trailer you can see that there are some "already dead" guys. I mean Barricade°(here it isnt really certain), Long Haul and (desert) Brawl. Should these be added into the list of appeared characters, since they were'''officially revealed''' via trailer? --[[Special:Contributions/194.228.147.9|194.228.147.9]] 21:12, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:No. Just because they look like the old characters doesn't mean they are. More there's no reason to list nameless characters we know nothing about. Be patient. Plenty of time after the movie is out. We're in no rush.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:19, 11 February 2011 (EST)

== worm thing ==

in the trailer (allbeit breifly) a trio of worm thingscan be seem burrowing through the road in the manner of sandworms

Talk:Optimus Prime (Movie)

2011-02-17T11:05:53Z

Manmcmanman: /* magnus prime? */ new section

Prime's offical bio was released a few days ago. Shouldn't it go in here?

Read your talk page more often. Explanation was there. Suffice to say, posting the bio, word for word, is a no-no.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 11:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I never read my talk page. Who in their right mind would want to talk to me

The captions under the pictures in this article are inapropriate and rude {{unsigned|Pirakafreak24}}
:I'm sorry you lack a sense of humor. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

==Unreleased Toy?==
My friend recently sold me a "prototype Mcdonalds" O.P. for 4 bucks along with some other figures. Teletraan 1 does not have an entry on this odd toy, and I am gretly curious as to what the heck this toy is: [img]http://gallery.zealot.com/data/500/medium/000_0017.JPG[/img]

==Top image==
Derik, on-screen Movie characters need to have Dreamworks images at the top of their pages. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:...why? If a character appears in multiple media we seem to pick whatever shows the character off best. This book (being a retelling of the movie) probably isn't the best example, but if we got a great image of Prime by Geoff Senior in the UK Mag, can we never use that?
:(I'm not disagreeing that there ''is'' a good argument for reverting to the original picture,but I'm not sure I agree with your statement that Dreamworks renders are ''automatically'' the only acceptable main image. Frankly, I think a ''lot'' of Dreamworks images look bad when not in motion.)

-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:Because we need the top-quality Dreamworks renders on every on-screen character's page in any case, and putting them on top creates consistency like a legitimate encyclopedia. You added a ''great'' image, but it belongs down further. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::I still prefer that render of the actual CG model used in the movie than the low-res, low-detail promotional CG model render we're using now. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Yes, let us use that one. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Apparently we can't. They decided that the movie design looked ugly and that was the end of discussion, evidently. I, on the other hand, think the lower-detail design from late 2005/2006 that the toys are based upon looks... incomplete (I mean the front of the hood just becomes these little nubs under his windows!) and not as visually impressive as the final version. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:10, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

{| width="100%"
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| [[Image:MovieOptimusPrime promorender.jpg|800x200px]]
| [[Image:MovieOptimusPrime promorender3.jpg|800x200px]]
| [[Image:MovieOptimusPrime promorender2.jpg|800x200px]]
| [[Image:Movieprime meettheautobots.jpg|800x200px]]
|}

I'm looking at these 4 images- and I'm really not seeing the huge differences between the designs of 2 and 3 that you're describing. Where does his hood go on #2 version that it doesn't in #3? #3 looks liek a rougher, simpler (better proportioned) model, but of the final design to me. And ''any'' way you cut it, i think #1 and #2 are the ''ugliest'' pictures in this lineup.

<nowiki>#</nowiki>1's shoulder is coming out of his crotch, for instance. If the final image misleads the eye about spatial relationships then it's ''badly composed''. The abstract knowledge that it is a 3d model and thus spatially perfect does not change the fact it it a terrible 2D image. #3 has displeasing proportions- and frankly is boring and inspiring, capturing none of Prime's character. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if it matters to anyone. But I prefer images 3 and 4. #1 is AWEFUL. #2 is boring. #3 is decent. #4 Is the best image, objectively, but of course isn't CGI.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::It' not like we're locked into the CGI- we don't use it for [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'s main image. If anything we seem to like having [[Terrorsaur (BW)|some variety]] to the sources we use. That said- this ''is'' Prime, and I'd like to have a Dreamworks image if we could find one that doesn't suck. It's not like we're locked into 'Okay it MUST be one of the Dreamworks promo images,' or that any image we choose is permanent. Once the Blue-ray of the movie comes out we'll have lots of images to choose from (Not the mention the promised intermezzo story.)
::I happen to think [http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/we_are_waiting.jpg this] is a gorgeous image, and even though it's of Prime's back, it captures something central to his character, and unique to the Movie version, the decision to make Earth not just a second home like in every other continuity ever- but an ''only'' home. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:What does the first picture have to do with anything? That's the old design anyway, and it seems most people hate that pose. The hood on the final model is more obviously hood-shaped and sits there on his torso. On the earlier design, they become red, for a lack of a better word, ''shapes''. It is, by comparison, a poor CG model to the actual movie one, and the only thing going for it is its HEROIC POSE. But I can already see that maintaining such a differing opinion will be to no avail. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::You're all disdainful of the heoric pose. Why? Do you think that the main image should be lifeless and dead as long as it's correct? It's not like these are the only two renders of Prime out there. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:::I'm not a fan of the model, not the pose. Those stupidly long blue things on his forearms appear to have been shorted or folded on the movie model. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

==Fiction==

Someone else had already added in some information from the prequel comics in the top paragraph, so I just rearranged it to the bottom with a spoiler tag. If we're not supposed to put fiction in yet, I'm sorry. -[[User:EricMarrs|EricMarrs]] 14:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== EW Interview canonical? ==

How do we want to treat the new Entertainment Weekly intereview with movie Prime? It was apparently written by the screenplay writers and was (likely?) approved by Hasbro to see print, does that make it official canon? We HAVE set a president of a sort by counting things like [[Toaster]] and the "ask vector prime" info, though those were from first party sources and this is in a second party source but was likely approved by first party? So, um yeah, is that official enough? I ask because though tounge-in-cheek it mentions things like movie Ratchet's wedding that might deserve a passing light-hearted mention on his page. If we are taking Toaster and Blaster's sister as cannon then is this any different? Thoughts? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 01:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:I don't know how likely or not it was to have been Hasbro approved. Given how meta-jokingly it's written -- with Optimus and Megatron being actors who play Optimus and Megatron in the movie, Megatron being such a method actor it's best to avoid him when he's in-character because he might vaporize you -- I'm not really sure how to treat it as "canon."

:Also, I feel I must nitpickingly point out that, technically, the reference isn't to ''movie'' Ratchet's wedding, as that answer comes in response to a question about whether Optimus kept up with "his old Autobot buddies from the show," and we of course are treating the movie and G1 characters as separate entities. ;) --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

::I agree it's a tricky call, which is why I bring it up. I'd guess anything written by the screenwriters as promo for the movie in a major publication like EW would have had to have some kind of official OK/oversite. The "meta" side of it, being tounge in cheek and breaking the third wall and all that is an issue too, but at the same time we include things like the tounge-in-cheek, third-wall-breaking Botcon scripts, UK letters page, and ask Vector Prime which all proceed from similar footing. It's worth debate at least. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 03:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

In a similar vein, what about Sarah Silverman being a Transformer? All that MTV awards show shpiel had to have been approved at least by Dreamworks. It's no more ridiculous than any of the other examples listed above. Less funny, but that's Sarah Silverman for you. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

== OP's face ==

Should it be added in that Optimus will still have his retractable face plate as seen in earlier concept work (now confirmed by official screenshots) and that he looks a lot like a robotic Peter Cullin? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 02:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== What went wrong? ==

What the fuck just happened? I edited the "Fast Action Battlers" section, and now it's fucked up! What did I do wrong? Does this Wiki have a mind of it's own, and it craves incorrect information, thus if I try to correct it it screws me over?

I honestly dont know either bud. I wish they would say SOMTHING more then what their saying about all of the Fast Action battlers. A wiki should be unbais. Btw: Since this is the talk page, I just thot I'd throw in an OPINION, but my OPINION is that I think Fast action Starscream, Ratchet, and Brawl are pretty close to the "real" versions of them, and a nice alternative when u wanna save a few bucks. (with the latter...the former..not so much, but its a nice alternative to him, and the cannon is more accurate)--[[User:Chipmonk3288|Chipmonk3288]]

== FAB and G1 prime two-pack ==
"For some reason the Classics Prime toy is designated "1984 Optimus Prime", even though he was released in 2006." I'd love to edit out this stupidity, but last time I tried it screwed up the format of the text. Can somebody tell me what I did wrong, or just fix the mistake themselves? --[[User:MrMania|Sav]] 10:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:What's wrong with it? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

::And don't call my work stupid. I'm responsible for most of the toy sections on this wiki these days,and most are uncompromisingly 'straight' in comparison to the rest of this place. That was a moment of left-of-field levity - I was pointing out the fact a crappy G1 Prime toy from 2006 that sort of looks like G1 Prime is flogged as '1984 Prime' even though he ''technically'' isn't. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:::It's meant to represent G1 Prime, and it does a fairly good job, because I think "g1" when I look at the toy. No matter, though, it seems to have been corrected.--[[User:MrMania|Sav]] 08:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

== Leader class figure factory irregular ==

I recently picked up a leader class prime and when I tried to transform it, one of its elbows wouldn't bend. at first I thought it was the screws, but upon closer inspection, the two arm parts had fused solid! is it my figure or a larger oversight on hasbros part?

== Peter cullen figure? ==

I want pics. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
: [http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=view&album=Collection%2Fact442&pic=movie_robot_vision_optimus_prime08.jpg&dispsize=1000&start=0 Bam.] [[User:70.55.207.104|70.55.207.104]] 09:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

==spare pic==
[[:Image:MovieOptimusPrime_promorender2.jpg|Old low-detail promo render pic]] --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

==Main pic==
[[Image:Movieprime meettheautobots.jpg|right|thumb|"Freedom is the right of all-- ooh, pretty!"]]
How about we discuss it before changing the picture? Especially (as I pointed out in the image talk of render3), this old render picture is based on the outdated design. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:There's been more discussion on this ''somewhere'' where we went full-circle around ''this is not the final design / the final design has less pleasing proportions / there are no CGI images of the final design that doesn't look goofy''.
:Does anyone have the DK I-0can-read book 'Meet the Autobots'? The hand-illustrated image of Optimus Prime standing on Earth on the final page is (I think) the final design, and I think it'd make a ''fantastic'' main pic for the article. (Unfortunately I bought the guidebook instead, so... anyone want to scan?) -04:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
::Oh man, we totally ''need'' to have that picture on the article somewhere. It's fantastic. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 21:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:::In the book this images occurs (I think) ''after'' the closing monologue of the movie, with Optimus thinking that 'life is good' on his new home. Could it go at the end of the movie section? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:Can we change it now? There has got to be something better. How about [[:Image:Defiance4 coverA.jpg|this]] or [[:Image:Defiance4 coverA original.jpg|this]]. There used to be a ROTF poster of Prime out there. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:16, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
::Hearing no objection... - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]]
:::I think it would be badass if we used a screenshot of him cutting off Bonecrusher's head with the caption "Freedom is the right of all sentient be ... oh slag that."[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 15:30, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I think LG or one of the recent TV spots has a shot of Prime with his Ion Blaster out and about to shoot someone in the head (I guess). If we could get a good, clear shot of that, that would be awesome.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 19:08, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

== Siblings? ==

I know that OP calls Megatron "Brother" in the movie, but are they actually siblings, or was Optimus speaking metaphorically (as Optimi tend to do)? If it's stated in the prequel comics, that's fine, but if it's only from one line in the movie I have to contend it. -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, they are siblings. Its in the comics, kids books, novelisation ect, as I understand it. They toned down the reference to that one line in the movie for some reason, as the references were apparently more prevalent in the older draft. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:57, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

:I thought he was just having a Hulk Hogan momemt. -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 06:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== His father ==
So one of the video games has a cutscene where Optimus says to Jazz that Megatron "took my father's spark". Did Activision bother to give the brothers' father a NAME in any of the games? -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:Not the console version.--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 01:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Another fun addition ==

I added basic information about the new "First Strike" Prime. Should be enough to suffice.

== Videos mentioned in the trivia section... ==

I've only found poor quality videos from YouTube of that Burger King and the MTV thing - do higher res/quality ones exist? (And should we put links in so people can see them? I honestly didn't know about them until I read the page).

== Giftcard and DVD Case Primes ==

Okay, I've hot a question... The Target giftcard and DVD cases that unfold into flat versions of Optimus Prime... Do they belong in the Merchandise section, and if so, does anyone have decent pictures of them? --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 18:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

== Rearranging the toy list? ==

Should we rearrange the toy list sorted by molds? Currently it's a mess, it doesn't even exactly follow the release order; and even though Robo-Vision Prime ''was'' released ''after'' regular Voyager Prime, having them listed in this order and then calling Robo-Vision Prime a "redeco" of Voyager Prime is kinda iffy.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
: So. Any objections to this?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 11:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
::Robo-Vision Prime preceded Voyager Prime by a very hefty margin. Technically Voyager Prime's the redeco here.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Voyager Class shoulder cannons?==

Ok, I bought First Strike Optimus and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get his shoulder cannons to lower. I thought they would work like Classics Optimus but they don't. Whats the trick to getting this to work?{{unsigned|68.45.124.176}}

==Mouthplate==

Is it worth to note that he's only shown(as far as i know) without his mouthplate ONLY in the movie?--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 21:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
: There's a Robot Heroes figure without the mouthplate. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
::And he's in a Burger King commercial without the mouthplate, too.[[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 13:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

==dashes==

For eff's sake, I'm not TRYING to change the dashes - I don't care what they look like, I don't care which kind you use, I don't care if every page on the wiki uses tildes and umlauts instead of real punctuation. it '''happens automatically on these "this page may be too big" pages,''' which seems to be the point Interrobang missed. Once again: It's not intentional; it just happens. I don't know why, so I can't fix it. But by that same token, would you quit just plain old reverting the edit? The other stuff is minor, but it's not irrelevant - at least, not as irrelevant as it could be. It's on-topic with the subjects it's in. So by all means, please, fix th dashes that I've screwed up - but stop reverting the other bits. Please? Yeesh![[User:71.207.12.70|71.207.12.70]] 07:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
:You seem to be ignoring the fact that I consider your actual additions minor and unnecessary. Regardless, "it happens automatically on these "this page may be too big" pages" makes very little sense, considering that it isn't consistent on whether it replaces the em dashes with "hyphen-hyphen-space" or "space-hyphen-space". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 09:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
::Hey, beats me—I'm no Firefox programmer. But just because you consider my additions unnecessary, it doesn't mean they actually are. Yeah, they're minor—I said as much. But unnecessary? Your opinion. Which you're only acting upon, I'd wager, because you're in a snit about the dashes. Am I wrong?[[User:71.207.12.70|71.207.12.70]] 05:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

== Premium Prime Eyes ==

Will they glow blue instead of yellow like the original Leader toy? If they do, it needs to be mentioned. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 13:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:the box shows blue, but it is still yellow unfortunately--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:07, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Red is Hard To Film? ==
In the 1970's TV show "Emergency!" featured many red fire trucks and the crew did not special measures to film them. Therefore, red is not a hard color to film.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency! [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 01:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:I'm sure this isn't the only example of red vehicles ever being filmed. But Emergency!, being a TV show, was probably filmed on video, and not on... you know, film. I don't know whether red vehicles being hard to film is some weird general thing I'd never heard of before this movie, or whether it has something to do with the special effects, but I'll take the professionals' word for it.
::When I heard that in the commentary, I asked somebody who films stuff, and they said it's hard to get it to look consistantly the same color. He also said lighting can make it look very orange at times. --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 04:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:::In my meager experience with Shake and film editing, I know red can be a bitch to color correct.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
It seems I have been misinformed. Thank you all for the clarification. [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 17:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Why were my edits removed? ==

Peter Cullen did say that.
I was just trying to make the images work better. [[User:208.190.203.162|208.190.203.162]] 23:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

== Shall I include to this page? y/n ==
Someone got arrested at an airport for wearing a TF2007 Optimus Prime T-shirt? [[http://gizmodo.com/394544/optimus-prime-t+shirt-transforms-into-arrest-threat-at-airport source]] [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 21:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:I think it's fun trivia, especially if you contrast it with the fact that Megatron's always been the perceived [[For safety reasons|safety hazard]]. I'd link to [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7431640.stm this BBC article] instead, though, since it's a more mainstream, firsthand source. Also, he wasn't actually arrested. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Prime's Great Plan ==

Acknowledging that yes, the entry ''is'' fairly tongue-in-cheek to begin with, is the last trivia bit really fair? Obviously, Megatron was powerful, and nothing we'd want tromping around Earth any longer than he had to be. Without the All Spark for which he came to Earth to begin with, though, I don't recall him having the power to obliterate Earth. In fact, between the remaining Autobots and their good friends in the U.S. military, who showed during the battle of Mission City that no, not even Megatron was not invulnerable against heavy weapons fire... well, I'm hesitant to call the outcome either way, but it doesn't like the kind of foregone conclusion/idiotic plan the entry makes it out to be. Any thoughts? - [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 04:41, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

==Seen ROTF, want to change main caption SO BAD==
To "I will cut off your face!" It's especially awesome with our new main image. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:35, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

* On that subject, if this continuity's Optimus is a violent rebel, does that mean his [[Shattered Glass]] equivalent is a benign dictator? [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 05:39, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:Nah, he's a decadant Nero-like emperor. <tt>Freedom is the right of all sentient beings... in bed.</tt> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:41, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:That is so Prime! I kinda like this violent bloodthirsty Prime.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 07:53, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

== Introduction ==

Should we change the introduction to reflect current continuity as established in [[Defiance]], or just keep it as it is? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:24, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:I'd favor scrapping this intro altogether and starting anew. Intro notes aren't supposed to be summaries of events like this, theyr'e suppsoed to be about the character's personality, connections abilities etc.
:When the movie first came out, the only thing that set him apart from the other Optimus Primes was his backstory. Since then he's developed his own personality quite a bit. He's speechier than the original Prime, and fightier. (And crazier. I think he's still Abraham Lincoln + John Wayne... but his Wayne side is from ''The Searchers''.)
:The brother stuff needs to be relegated to trivia too-- it got cut from the 2007 movie itself, and the 2009 movie seems to throw it out altogether. It's a teardown-and-redo. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:47, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

== Trailer super mode ==
It appears that Prime at some point in production of ROTF would get a trailer, and would combine with it to get a [[Super Mode]]: http://www.joshnizzi.com/oproughs.html --[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 13:35, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
:That's [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire's]] parts he's combined with. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 22:19, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
::That's not Jetfire. It says 'Trailer Suit'. Jetfire is not a trailer! [[User:Gearshift|Gearshift]] 14:50, 29 July 2009 (EDT)

== Prime and faces ==

Movieverse Optimus Prime seems to have a habit of ripping his opponents' faces off. Should we list this as a trait? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 22:17, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
:The 'GIVE ME YOUR FACE' joke in the image captions is getting annoying and repetitive. What should be done about it? [[Special:Contributions/81.155.131.13|81.155.131.13]] 06:05, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

The "GIVE ME YOUR FACE" joke is hilarious and makes my day.

Seconded. Also, sign your posts. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:43, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:It's already in the trivia and the joke stays.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 04:56, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::Good. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:05, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

== I have a massive gallery if anybody wants screencaps from both movies. ==

Optimus has some of the best facial expressions, but they go by SO fast.

Anyway, I have a huge gallery of over 200 Optimus movie screencaps from both films. They're up for grabs if anybody wants to use them in articles or whatever.

http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/24a8bf8847330ed806d929dbf28b6627/

[[User:CH|CH]] 17:06, 23 November 2009 (EST)
==Make Optimus Prime Talk==
Remember that contest where "do a barrel roll!" won but Hasbro chickened out of using it? Where's the page for that.{{unsigned|24.192.196.242}}
:[[Make Prime Speak|Right here]]. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:08, 27 July 2010 (EDT)

== magnus prime? ==

will they feature ultra magnus in the next movie