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Talk:The Transformers: Masterpiece

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MaximusPrimal02: /* MP Beast Wars Dinobot */ new section

Why isn't Prime named Convoy here? Since that's what he was called under this Masterpiece line, and it would be abit silly to talk about it in US terms that he was not released under, no? I suggest something like Convoy (Optimus Prime) and Convoy Perfect Edition (Optimus Prime). --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm removing Grimlock from the list until someone can get an official confirmation; the silhouette of the G1 box art that's been circulating on the web recently reeks badly of fake, with the Japanese text included not even being about Transformers at all. [[User:Takeshi357|Takeshi357]] 14:43, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

== Sublines? ==

So how do we handle the MP sublines, namely the Brave and the Movie verse ones? I think we should at least Mention the Brave one but how do we handle the Movie one, give it it's own page or include it on this page?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 08:55, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

Add a subheading for Generation 1, and a subheading for Live-action Movie. Add a notes section discussing it's relation to Brave, linking to the [[Brave (franchise)|Brave]] article. Reflect this information in the opener, as it is currently very misguiding.[[Special:Contributions/68.36.148.39|68.36.148.39]] 13:14, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

I put into effect most of the edits I mentioned, but now I am thinking there should be further sections for the Masterpiece toys released by [[Hasbro]].[[Special:Contributions/68.36.148.39|68.36.148.39]] 13:36, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

== American Versions==

Someone should make a subsection for the redeco American versions that have been sold at Wal*Mart (Optimus Prime, Starscream and Skywarp)

== MP-11 ==

Someone should probably add the new Screamer to this page. I would, but I don't understand the template, and lack the time to decipher it. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 02:33, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

I did it. --[[User:Bluevictim|bluevictim]] [[User talk:Bluevictim|(talk)]] 05:17, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

== Sunstorm ==
Should the Sunstorm repaint of MP-11 be mentioned on here somewhere? [[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] 00:54, 10 March 2012 (EST)

== Hasbro Masterpieces ==

Okay. Since Hasbro MP Thundercracker was moved to the Masterpiece section, I've reverted it with the reasoning that the packaging style determines the toyline, such as Hasbro's Skywarp, Rodimus, and Starscream being respectively placed in 2008 Universe, TF2010, and Classics. Unfortunately, it's not that consistent. Hasbro MP Grimlock was long ago placed in the Masterpiece section, and Hasbro's MP10 Optimus was recently moved to Masterpiece, despite both of them having the same packaging styles as TF2010 product.

I don't want to start an edit war, so where do they all go? [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 21:34, 4 September 2012 (EDT)

== Missing pics ==

I have just uploaded the pics for Soundwave and cassetes, plus Prowl and Bluestreak. [[User:Phantom Dusclops'92|Phantom Dusclops'92]] 19:55, 15 March 2013 (WET)

== Brave subline? ==

Which MPs have been released under the Brave subline. Was this something that was planned but never happened? Should it be removed from the page? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:36, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
:MP-B01 King Exkizer - http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?mode=retail&product=TAK10464
:MP-B02 Dragon Kizer - http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?mode=retail&product=TAK10500
:The reason we don't cover these is, well, they're not Transformers product. Brave isn't part of the Transformers brand. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 15:51, 15 July 2013 (EDT)

== Organizing the sections a little better? ==

I love and use this page as a reference all the time when discussing MPs with others. Suggestions:

- Can we shift the Hasbro MP section up and move the Bayformer MP section to last? Seems as if that Bayformer line has been abandoned? And it is almost like a sub-group. Maybe a separate page even?

- Another suggestion is to have each character and their variation/reissue listed together?

- I uploaded a stock photo collage of MP-1B. I am no expert editing this wiki, so someone please add it? http://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:MP-01B-BlackOptimusPrime-1.jpg

[[User:Chrusher|Chrusher]]

:Thank you for those suggestions! To address them one by one:

:- The MPM series is listed after the TakTom MPs because the Movie series is a subline of the TakaraTomy MPs, so they stay there.

:- As far as I can tell, we sort them by their first release date, with reissue dates being placed after. Variations/Hasbro versions are considered separate releases.

:- We have [[Transformers Wiki:Images#Acceptable image sources|a policy]] on how toy images should be composed, and while you certainly got the robot and vehicle modes correctly, the two extra photos of his robot mode do not depict any additional features and are entirely unnecessary. You could also probably stand to add more images depicting his various gimmicks, such as his Matrix and wrist communicator. Also, I'm not sure where you got those images from, but just to be safe, photos from the galleries of fansites (such as TFW2005 and Seibertron) '''do not''' count as [[stock photography]], and we only use those kinds of photos when permission by the website/photographer has been given. Also, with the exception of really big/gimmick-laden toys, please keep toy images down to a reasonable image/file size. --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] ([[User talk:Inkblot|talk]]) 21:21, 27 December 2013 (EST)

::- I got the pictures from Amazon's stock pictures. Is that ok? I can't find pictures of his wrist communicators and axe outside of fan sites.
::- I made a Black Rodimus one with all his gimmicks, again, from Amazon stock files.
::- I can reduce the pics smaller if you'd like? I used the Optimus MP as a template. {{unsigned|Chrusher|10:50, December 28, 2013}}

:::Amazon stock photos are fine. That Black Rodimus image is ''almost'' fine. Here are some notes:

:::- It's alright if you can't find any stock photos for the gimmicks as long as we ''at the very least'' have an image of the robot and vehicle mode/s.
:::- A couple of the images look pixellated and grainy, almost as if they were enlarged beyond their original size. We don't do that for toy images.
:::- I assume the pic of Black Rodimus holding his rifle is meant to focus on his rifle, so why not get the original image and crop it to focus on the rifle? Same goes for his chest Matrix. With the unnecessary parts of the image removed, the cropped image can be larger in the collage. As it is, the Matrix and rifle in those pictures are ''puny''.
:::- You need to [[Transformers Wiki:Images#File Size|lower the file size]] of your images. 294 kilobytes for an 850 x 648 image is ''too much''. Personally, I start at 100kb for a 800px x 600px image, and increase the file size by 5kb for every 100px.

:::--[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] ([[User talk:Inkblot|talk]]) 22:17, 27 December 2013 (EST)

== Year of the Horse Optimus? ==

Should the Year of the Horse Optimus Prime be included on this page since it's a repaint of the MP-10 Masterpiece Optimus Prime figure?
:Most likely. I mean, the other pre-2013 Hasbro ''Masterpieces'' came under different toylines, so being under ''Platinum Edition'' doesn't really make it any less of a ''Masterpiece''. --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] ([[User talk:Inkblot|talk]]) 22:47, 28 February 2014 (EST)

==Design Section==
It says that Kobayashi did the first nine MP's but didn't Shouji Kawamori do MP03? If that's the case then we should probably edit that to be more specific and also maybe add that Kobayashi designed the movie MP Starscream.--[[User:BlackStarscream|BlackStarscream]] ([[User talk:BlackStarscream|talk]]) 18:08, 1 June 2014 (EDT)

== New MP's? ==

There is a rumor on Seibertron that MP Tracks, MP Red Tracks (Roadrage) and MP Ironhide are coming out? [[User:Wavage|I am Wavage! Fear mweee!!! ]] ([[User talk:Wavage|talk]]) 04:36, 9 February 2015 (EST)
:Everyone is well aware of those rumours, but they're of no concern to the wiki until an official confirmation occurs. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 04:59, 9 February 2015 (EST)
::Oh, didn't know so many people knew about the rumour. [[User:Wavage|I am Wavage! Fear mweee!!! ]] ([[User talk:Wavage|talk]]) 15:04, 11 February 2015 (EST)
:::Seibertron's a pretty well known website, dude. But you still don't seem to get the point: whether one person has heard about it or one billion people have heard about it, this isn't a site for rumors. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:09, 11 February 2015 (EST)

== Hasbro MPs ==
Two things I gotta ask:
:1. If we're keeping the Platinum Figures on this page, why don't we give them their own section?
:2. Why are Goatwave, Bluestreak, and Starscream all listed as being part of Generations? I thought Hasbro numbering their MPs meant the Hasbro MPs are now their own line and not tied to any other (despite taking box cues from whatever the current line is.) If we are tying these to a the line the packaging cues are taken from, why aren't Prowl, Sunstorm, and Grimlock reissue listed as Age of Extinction? And why is Goatwave Generations instead of Platinum Edition? Are these mistakes or is there a reason for this?--[[User:BlackStarscream|BlackStarscream]] ([[User talk:BlackStarscream|talk]]) 02:40, 26 January 2016 (EST)

== change from Generation 1 to Primax? ==

My main (and conflicting) concerns about this subject are that Convoy (Primal) and Cheetus (Cheetor) are BW, not G1, but changing [[The_Transformers:_Masterpiece#Generation_1]] to [[The_Transformers:_Masterpiece#Primax]] could mean broken links elsewhere. Lesser concerns are that "Primax" is a less useful, less familiar term for newer/more casual site visitors looking for information... but Exhaust, Road Rage, Delta Magnus, etc arguably aren't G1 either.

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 04:44, 31 August 2016 (EDT)

:[[Generation 1 continuity family]]. Though it would probably be a better idea to change it to "main series" or something. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 04:53, 31 August 2016 (EDT)
::Yeah, I was thinking "main toyline". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 04:53, 31 August 2016 (EDT)

== MP Beast Wars Dinobot ==

So I've been wondering why exactly the MP Dinobot hasn't been put anywhere on the wiki. It was officially confirmed quite a while ago, and I find it rather odd. I'd do it myself, but I don't really know how the editing system works here, aside from the discussion. (Obviously) Now I could be wrong, or there could be some rule that I don't know about, and if there is, please correct me. I was just wondering about it. --[[User:MaximusPrimal02|MaximusPrimal02]] ([[User talk:MaximusPrimal02|talk]]) 20:48, 2 October 2017 (EDT)

Talk:Ironhide (G1)

2017-09-20T05:46:59Z

MaximusPrimal02: /* The Bionicle reference in the caption for the 2nd image on the timelines toy. */ new section

== Back in Black ==
Not sure how best to add this to the Toy section of the site (under G1 Ironhide? in its own sub-section?), so I'm putting all the basic info here for now:

e-Hobby is coming out with (gasp) another black recolor exclusive, but at least this one has some historical legitimacy/excuse.

New Year Special e-Hobby Exclusive: TF Encore Black Protective Ironhide
will be priced at 4725 yen. Pre-orders being taken until Jan. 11, with a projected shipping date of next April.

The black coloration's meant to homage Ironhide's original Diaclone version, but taken in conjunction with the Emergency Green Ratchet (and a hint in his tech specs), it's a double homage to the new movie Ironhide. (Well, a triple homage if you want to count the A-Team van.) The packaging will be the same as the regular TF Encore Ironhide's.

According to his tech specs, he got the black protective coating to disguise himself from both Destrons and members of the human criminal underworld when he's acting as Convoy's bodyguard. Not a few of his fellow Cybertrons have whispered to him that he looks like a "men in black" vehicle, but Ironhide insists he got the idea from the deep black coloration of pickup trucks he saw around town. The coating, a composite gel metal, has made his trithyllium steel skin even more durable, allowing him to self-repair minor injuries right away. His robot/mobile artillery form (that's how they refer to the MARB) is now 25% more maneuverable than before, and he can handle even the worst of roads using his three-legged Marauder Mode. (I'm guessing that's the name for the robot portion perched on top of the MARB.)

Images and such are [http://www.e-hobby.co.jp/cgi-bin/omc?port=33301&tno=11964126283JGBV&req=PRODUCT&code=tfe27 here].--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 08:17, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

:So far all G1 reissues and special G1 toy repaints released under the G1 brand have been place under the same Generation 1 toy sub section as the original release.
:I think it's highly likely that in TakaraTomy marketing terms, the black repaint while a Diaclone colour scheme (which is convenient), actually has less to do with Diaclone than it does with them repainting an Ironhide in colours marginally similar to Movie Ironhide, hence that green Ratchet. By having a black Ironhide who's also a Diaclone colour scheme, they get the widest possible niche customer base for the product. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:45, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, no doubt the double homage was a purposeful marketing move. The e-Hobby page simply makes direct mention of the Diaclone version but leaves the movie aspect to be hinted at purely in the tech spec text. Anyway, I'm about to turn in for the night, so I'll see about integrating this tomorrow, unless someone else gets to it first.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 09:42, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

:::I think your Black Ironhide entry will need to be rewritten eventually, since that info from his bio tech spec shouldn't be in the toy section. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:11, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
::::I don't really mind it being there. I've forgotten what the latest version of policy regarding putting fiction details from a specific toy release in with the toy's information is, but this at least seems more clean and less awkward than having an eHobby subheader under the Fiction section saying that sometimes he puts on a black finish. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::This possible flub was all part and parcel of my uncertainty regarding adding this info to the article in the first place, and why I put all the info I had on the Talk page first. If it turns out I've misplaced the tech spec info by wikia standards, by all means, please put it where it's supposed to be. I don't get to come here enough to abate all my ignorance in a timely fashion, so it'll be faster. OTOH, based on Walky's comments, I suspect it won't have to be moved until/unless this version of the character gains a more substantial presence in official TF fiction.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:58, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

== Head Count ==

According to the latest entry at Autobase Aichi, the January '08 issue of ''Hyper Hobby'' contains photos of the TF Encore Ironhide with a ''head made out of paper'' attached. Be on the lookout for that one...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 08:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
:And sure enough, now [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/products/encore/e-05.html Takara's site has a photo]. Ratchet's getting [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/products/encore/e-06.html the same treatment]. Both are set to go on sale Dec. 20.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

== Depends what you mean by "G1" ==

Walky cut the line "Interestingly, this is the only G1 Ironhide toy to date that doesn't share a mold with Ratchet," with the explanation "Power Master Ironhide doesn't share one with Ratchet either." Power Master Ironhide was a G2 toy (representing a G1 character). So, either, A) the line should be reinstated, since it refers to only G1 toys, or B) the original line was ''twice'' wrong, since Magamaboss Ironhide also represents the G1 character, and its mold has never been used for Ratchet. Thoughts? [[User:JW|JW]] 13:55, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
:I certainly specified G1 by meaning more or less "red vannish things that always get painted white and have lights slapped on their roofs." Perhaps it's a weaker grouping than I thought.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

== New pages ==

We should add the separate pages for Ironhide because the page is too long and Ironhide deserves these pages( in my opinion). In fact, I will try making the pages, but keep the source page untouched.I know this might not work but it is worth a try.[[User:IronhideG1|IronhideG1]] ([[User talk:IronhideG1|talk]]) 12:38, 26 April 2015 (EDT)

:Agreed! The page is too long and there's enough content to adequately fill both of your suggested pages. On top of that, Ironhide is one of the most famous Autobots in G1, and I agree that he deserves it. [[User:John3637881|John3637881]] ([[User talk:John3637881|talk]]) 12:44, 26 April 2015 (EDT)

:: '''Thank you!''' Im glad somebody agrees the old veteran deserves what he does( but I'm biased because hes my favorite character). I tried making one of the pages on my tablet, but it is too difficult. I'm going to have to wait until I get access to a computer for a time before I continue (or if someone else wants to try, they are welcome.) I'm relatively new to the wiki, so I'm probably not the best person for the job.[[User:IronhideG1|IronhideG1]] ([[User talk:IronhideG1|talk]]) 14:17, 26 April 2015 (EDT)

== Push for featured article! ==

Ironhide needs a bit of cleaning up before he is ready to be a featured article, so if you guys want to, we should make this a possibility! I will be working sometimes on my free time, and you guys don't have to put in the extra effort(thanks for all the effort you guys have put in already, I really appreciate it, its already a solid article) if you don't want to, but I think it would be excellent to see our old buddy up there with the top notch articles. If you guys think it will be good idea, great. Of course, if you think it's terrible,that's all right. [[User:IronhideG1|IronhideG1]] ([[User talk:IronhideG1|talk]]) 19:15, 30 May 2015 (EDT)
:I question your neutrality in making this suggestion. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 23:21, 31 May 2015 (EDT)
::Ok; here goes. Before I start, I would like to apologize if I sound disrespectful- I am trying to tactfully present my position: Look, I'm sorry if I come across as blatantly pro-Ironhide( which I am), and do not want to offend you. Still, I want to be respectful of everyone and all the work that's been done by everyone, and wish to be considerate. While I am not neutral, I understand that people are and some are even against this, and I respect that. Not everyone feels the way I do, and that's a good thing. But some people do to some degree, I think. So here's the bottom line: I would really, really like to see [[Ironhide (G1)]] as a featured article, but in no way do I want to force anyway to think like that and I am also fine with seeing it not be it. Here's a analogy for my point: say I really want a fountain build in the town square. I propose the idea to the assembly. Those who wish to help build it build it; those that don't don't. I know my analogy has a lot of problems with it, and I may seem overbearing, but I hope you will understand. Thank you for your comment. Sorry for writing in huge paragraph chunks- it is how I write.[[User:IronhideG1|IronhideG1]] ([[User talk:IronhideG1|talk]]) 18:07, 1 June 2015 (EDT)

== Cybertron's Most Wanted? ==

Ascendron, which specific version of Ironhide appears in the comic? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:43, 7 August 2015 (EDT)
:Wish I could tell you... You don't see much of him. Though now that I look closer, he seems to have these weird vents on the side of his head. I might have misidentified him. I'll upload pictures of the comic when I can, and maybe it can be sorted out then. [[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 14:10, 7 August 2015 (EDT)
:Cool. Also, if you could upload any of the other question marks in the Cast list, I could probably tell them too. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:51, 7 August 2015 (EDT)

== The Bionicle reference in the caption for the 2nd image on the timelines toy. ==

Alright. So I know that this isn't the most appropriate thing to talk about due to rules and all, but I just needed to ask. As soon as I saw it I couldn't help but asking why. What makes it especially confusing is that I'm a huge Bionicle fan and it just seems so out of place. So yeah, if someone could just say something on the matter, I would very much appreciate it. --[[User:MaximusPrimal02|MaximusPrimal02]] ([[User talk:MaximusPrimal02|talk]]) 01:46, 20 September 2017 (EDT)