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Talk:Sentinel Zeta Prime

2020-12-28T16:11:42Z

Michael dunlap.: /* Sentinel Zeta Prime doesn't exist */

I think the Exodus section of this article could do with some more expansion and possible a total rewrite, especially as it was originally written by an anonymous editor [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (DS)|who doesn't know how to write an article]]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:59, 3 July 2010 (EDT)

==Related characters?==
Is there REALLY a good reason not to give the Bumper and Fastback of this universe their own articles? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:12, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
:I figured they pass the Koji's Mother test for "Related"-dom because they only exist for like one sentence, and interchangeably. SP says "You killed Bumper and Fastback after I sent them to spy on you!" and Megs is all "Did I? Oh well." A page for either or both of them would say they were sent to spy on Megatron and he killed them. Any link on any other character's page to to "Bumper [and/or] Fastback (Prime)" would pretty much have to have already said the exact same thing, since there is no other reason to mention them, and never will be. It would be a one-sentence, completely redundant page(s).
:I don't have super-strong feelings in this particular case and could understand people wanting to split them off; I guess I'm just trying to prime the pump for what I see as the inevitable creation of either a lot of "Related"s or a big "Minor Character" page for Exodus. (I think we'll need a HUGE "Minor Characters" page for Almanac 2--what with all the no-art name-dropped types--but I digress).
:However we sort them, I strongly think they should stay united, like [[Martin and Roland]] or [[Chak and Una]], as they have no individual history, identity, or agency whatsoever. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:46, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
::You should probably check that Chak and Una link. We also split [[Telus]] and [[Rotorbolt (G1)|Rotorbolt]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:51, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
:::....huh, well, that shut me up. In general I think "Related Characters" are viable ways of presenting info that would otherwise be too slight and redundant to list separately, but if people really want Bumper and Fastback to be separated out, I wouldn't fight it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:03, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
::::And let's be honest. There's always a chance we'll be splitting those two and having more to say about them in the future. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:17, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

== Not an Autobot! ==

Just a point for discussion. Sentinel Prime comes right out in Exodus and tells Starscream he is NOT an Autobot but as Prime is a member of no movement or faction? Does this affect how we list him at all? Should he be listed as a Neutral and an Autobot? (Probably should get a continuity note at least.) --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 18:36, 27 July 2010 (EDT)
: He seems to be an Autobot in the video game. So he is one in at least one continuity. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:42, 27 July 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, I thought he might be in the game. How do handle that difference? List him as a Neutral and an Autobot? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 18:47, 27 July 2010 (EDT)

==Comics and Conflicts==
''However, the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)| War for Cybertron]]'' comic also written by [[Alex Irvine]] refers to the disappearance of Sentinel, indicating Sentinel was Zeta's predecessor in the game continuity.'' 
Since the comic is just an illustrated version of the scene in the novel, I'd say it's just another allusion to the character of Sentinel Zeta Prime as already established. I don't see any contradiction at all. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:58, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
:I thought the WFC comic was meant to canonize those portions of ''Exodus'' that weren't in conflict with the game for its universal stream. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 17:31, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
::I've taken the liberty of rephrasing that line to remove any further confusion. The comic further pins Sentinel and Zeta together as the same person. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:55, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

== "besting off"? ==

"Among his achievements was besting off a [[Quintesson]] [[Age of Wrath|invasion]]" The phrase "besting off" makes no sense to me. I was going to rephrase it but am unsure of the intended meaning. Did he defeat an invasion in progress or did he prevent one from occurring? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:33, 2 April 2019 (EDT)
: The former. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 07:36, 2 April 2019 (EDT)

== Sentinel Zeta Prime's name ==

I just realized that his name was always Sentinel Zeta Prime, even before Exodus and WFC comic came out. I found [https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/775098948703351466/0E2E28D5FEC827075DA5B29E15EF550413349D13/ it] while reviewing the game's files.

[[User:HispasatBot|HispasatBot]] 15 February 2020

== Sentinel Zeta Prime doesn't exist ==

If we have to apply what "Hasbro" says, then we should apply what Transformers DOTM's script says. You see, in this script, Sentinel Prime united the cybertronian tribes. In fact, Nova Prime from G1 did it. So, if I use your way, then we should call it Sentinel Nova Prime.

Again, it makes no sense. Even if Hasbro says the "full name" of Zeta Prime, it appears that the character is only called Zeta Prime in the final work. You cannot imagine a new character called "Sentinel Zeta Prime" just for one quote from Hasbro.

What about Hasbro ? Check discussions about the project WFC, everyone asked Hasbro with this question : "Are we going to get Sentinel or Zeta or both ?". Hasbro finally answered "Zeta Prime" with a picture of the character. They didn't say "Sentinel Zeta Prime".

If you want to add the truth in this page, then rename it Zeta Prime (WFC) or delete it once and for all.

''''''Zeta Prime has nothing to do with Alpha Trion.''' '''This page is full of lies.''' '''Zeta Prime didn't free Cybertron from the Quintessons.''' Sentinel Prime is the PREDECESSOR of Zeta Prime. Sentinel Prime had the matrix in many stories (not all but enough to prove he is not Zeta). Zeta Prime didn't get the matrix.'''

Even Exodus proved they weren't the same character about the belt.
Again, go watch the G1, the ORIGINAL Transformers and the cartoon of 2005. Sentinel and Zeta are not the same character. Plus not the same skin appeareance AT ALL. You misinterpret everything. Go bring your "proofs" and it will be EASY to disprove them. Hasbro has already contradicted itself. Come with more of your "proofs" and contradictions. You talk about Exodus ? Don't you see the belt ? Your "Sentinel Zeta Prime" is so unrealistic for Sentinel is the mentor of Optimus WHEREAS Zeta is not the mentor of Optimus. You could say Sentinel and Zeta are the predecessors of Optimus, but then so are Alpha, Nominus and Nova. So then, Sentinel Zeta Alpha Nova Nominus Prime is the predecessor of Optimus. You are completely out of the reality.

It is a mistake to merge Sentinel and Zeta.
I hope you find the maturity to not block me again, and to think before enforcing this fanatically idealogy of "Sentinel Zeta Prime".

[[User:TransformersFan00|TransformersFan00]] ([[User talk:TransformersFan00|talk]]) 10:54, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
: How old are you? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:09, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
: I don't think you understand how reboots and continuity work, TF00. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:12, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
:.... did you even READ the covenate of primus book? Mikey. 11:11, 28 December 2020 (EST)

Talk:Sentinel Zeta Prime

2020-12-28T16:11:22Z

Michael dunlap.: /* Sentinel Zeta Prime doesn't exist */

Talk:Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers

2020-11-18T16:02:55Z

Michael dunlap.: /* bumblebee losing his voice at the end of fall of cybertron. */

How about the statement that Metrotitan is made of the ghosts of dead Decepticons? I know I've heard that thrown around a time or two back in the day.... [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thats Violinjyger and it's true.

Alright, how about something about how G2 is G2 and everything after the movie, while technically a second generation, is not "G2" (although I recall hearing that Pat Lee regarded it as such).--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 22:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

== Addition to the Beast Wars Section: Black Arachnia was inspired by an Asian stripper ==

Can some please add this? The guy from Mainframe said (you can find his post on A.T.T.) that their animator, WHO IS OF ASIAN DESCENT, was taken to a strip club before he worked on BA's animation model. There was NEVER any mention of an Asian stripper by ANYONE from Mainframe, EVER!
:I had forgotten this one, but it DID have a serious amount of play in the late 90's fandom... [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 07:42, 8 November 2010 (EST)
::90's fandom? I was hearing it through a good chunk of the 2000s. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 18:29, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
:::I just heard it a few days ago. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:38, 7 May 2013 (EDT)

== French Starscream ==

I went ahead and removed the entry about Starscream. First of all, while I don't know about Bigbot's reliability... the sound clips ARE legit. And the French source you pulled from TFW2005 referred to Starscream being male in the CARTOON (ie "episodes") rather than the movie itself, which used an entirely different dub team.

I'm French Canadian, all my ancestors came to Canada from France, between the ages of three and ten, I rented the movie in French every single time I was at my grandparents' house. So I know what I'm talking about here. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:I would also assume that the French fans interviewed to dispell that theory ALSO knew what they were talking about. And [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhOCYZRxypM this Youtube clip] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAodylu8rWw this other Youtube clip] don't make him sound very female to me. It's your word against both other French fans and evidence I just watched with my own eyes, man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::I dunno how many more bloody times I must say this, the French movie used a different dub team from either French dubs of the cartoon. I even pointed it out in Starscream's article. Yes, in the TV show he was a guy, but in the movie, the new dub team made him and Shrapnel girls. [http://www.bigbot.com/mp3/transformers_mp3.shtml#Femmes Listen to those clips for proof.] Those are legit from the TFTM I watched growing up. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

::::I tried to get Nevermore to clarify on this when he made the changes, but he was unable to provide more info. Can you confirm that Starscream was characterized / referred to as female in the movie, along with the feminine voice? I think it's important that we clarify the myth as "partly true" rather than just delete it, but I want to be sure we have it all nailed down. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Well, aside from the obvious voice, Megatron says to Starscream "Tu es une imbécile." In English, "an idiot" would be used to refer to a male or a female idiot, but in French the article varies in gender, were Starscream a male he would have said "Tu es un imbécile." instead of "une imbécile". ([[Wiki:French_articles_and_determiners#The_indefinite_article|French articles and determiners]])
:::::Shrapnel being female is OBVIOUS from the fact that Kickback calls him/her "Mademoiselle Shrapnel", which translates to "Miss Shrapnel".
:::::I'm trying to locate video clips of the French dub of TFTM to have more than just sound clips but so far I haven't found any... not sure where I could find a VHS tape in this day and age either... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::For those wondering why Shrapnel's being mentioned here, you can read [[Talk:Shrapnel_(G1)|this link]], which is how this whole issue was brought up in the first place. But note that I've never questioned (for I've had no reason to do so) movie Shrapnel's femininity.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 23:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

==Repackaged old toys==
I think we should also have something on the notion that new-packaging releases of older toys are old unsold items taken back from store shelves, pulled from their cards, and RE-packaged onto new cards. I mean, this HAS to be bullshit. But I'm not sure of the best way to phrase it, since it's not a ridiculous argument that comes up very often. I wonder if Kyde has any insights on this. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:20, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:I don't know that I've ''ever'' heard somebody claim that, but admittedly, I have been out of online TF discussions for a year or two, and have never read the web boards regularly. I think that unless this is something that actually comes up semi-frequently, there's not much reason to bring it up in the article. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::I've heard it said repeatedly that REDECOs are unsold toys that are sent back to Hasbro and repainted. Of course, I've only ever heard it said on Tformers. Those posters probably aren't competent enough to be held accountable for their actions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
::I've seen it several times over the course of years. Certainly more than I've seen "Shrapnel's a girl in France" and "Geman movie omitted Starscream's death"... which is never before the wiki. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, what Siph said. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I've recently had a discussion with a common friend of ours, who is a longtime hardcore collector with inside contacts, and even ''he'' believed in the "repackaged toys are REpackaged in the literal sense" theory until I pointed out to him how expensive that would be. So I agree with Sipher here that it deserves a place on this page.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 00:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

==Featured Article?==
If we can get a few pictures... like the catalog image of blue-sided Bluestreak, Raiden in the Headmasters cartoon, a few other things... I think this page should have Featured status. It's important shit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:54, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say all the reference links are going to need alternate text before we can safely call this a featured article.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

=="Confirmed" myths?==
Would it be worth it to add urban legends that are actually true? (I'm thinking here things like "Sunstreaker and Sideswipe's/Starscream and Skywarp's tech specs were swapped, there was a Unicron toy planned during G1 that had an Orson Welles voice chip, etc.) Some of those things almost reach the status of urban legends in the fandom (not as much as they used to, now that information is easier to come by, but still.) Also, we need to add "Armada was supposed to tie together all previous TF continuities" or whatever the dumb rumor was. Also, maybe something to explain exactly what the RTV dubs really are (made in Malaysia, not Singapore, did they REALLY air in Hawaii/Mexico/wherever as I've seen people claim, etc.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
: Also, "There was a Transformers breakfast cereal with Bumblebee-shaped marshmallows and when you poured milk on it, they changed from car mode to robot mode." A kid at my school SWORE he had eaten this. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
::I have no evidence for it but I DO remember seeing a Commemorative Sideswipe at TRU. Having no interest in G1 at the time I didn't buy it (though it might;ve been some other commemorative Autobot; I dunno for sure but my memory genuinly has the image of sideswipe).--[[User:BlackStarscream|BlackStarscream]] 01:27, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

==TF:TM soundtrack evidence of "lost" scene==
The 10 seconds in question are from 02:29 to 02:39 in "Death of Optimus Prime" on the original soundtrack CD. There was at least one other release of the soundtrack, right? Can anyone check and see if the mysterious sequence is there too? Or, hell, if anyone has heard of DiCola giving an alternate explanation, please disabuse me of the whole notion. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
:I'll have to dig out my copy of [[Lighting Their Darkest Hour: The Complete Music Score for TFTM]], but I seem to recall ''the entire album'' clocking in at several full minutes longer than the entire movie, and that's before one considers [[The Touch]] or any of the other songs. I recall from somewhere that DiCola once did an interview in which he talked about it being unusually difficult to score the film, and IIRC it was because he had to score based off of the storyboards rather than the finished footage. If so, it could be that DiCola simply over-estimated how long certain scenes would run and so scored for every sequence start-to-finish like that, at which point the score was trimmed to fit the actual timing for the sequences and to fit in around the other songs. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 18:19, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
::I just had a thought. We know that there were a number of scenes which made it as far as the storyboard stage before being cut. Could DiCola have been given these scenes to score as well? If so, then the combination of "DiCola scoring scenes that were cut" and "DiCola misjudging the length of each scene" could easily explain why the full score is so much longer than the actual movie. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 21:09, 10 July 2013 (EDT)

== Misconception? ==

"A misconception usually held by casual fans or nostalgic adults is that of the original 1980's cartoon being the best fiction and most influential/successful line to date, with all other successors being unpopular and/or unsuccessful ventures.
Some of this misconception is based on the fact that most of the original audience stopped watching and following the franchise after its cancellation, or even before (as it wasn't "cool" to be kiddy once the puberty hit). Without any exposure to the market, the toyline and the new cartoons, they simply assume that Transformers has sunk in both popularity, quality and sales, since it's not what they remember."

Any facts/sources to back this up? I'd bet that actual sales between the demise of G1 and Micheal Bay stepping in were significantly lower, which would seriously contradict what's being said here.

:According to lists that used to be published in Tomarts(?) magazine, Transformers has consistently placed in the top 3 boys toys properties since the beginning of Beast Wars. Robots in Disguise and Armada both reported record profits, though Energon and Cybertron didn't seem to match Armada's success. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:56, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
::How ''did'' Energon and Cybertron sell, anyway? It seems widely known that Armada sold like hotcakes, but nobody ever brings up the two sequels in that regard. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:44, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

==Team names and vowel breaks==
While I'm good with the "Seacons" inclusion... well, bot every Decepticon team had an "i" vowel break... like the Predacons. And not every team had a vowel break at all... like the Triggercons, and arguably the Firecons. On the other hand... were the Seacons the only ''two-syllable name'' team, where everyone else had three? Nothing else is springing to mind... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:Whether it's a "a" or an "i" is kinda moot; the point is that there ''was'' a break in all the teams before them. (FWIW, to a lazy Southern tongue like mine, the "i" and "a" are almost indistinguishable. It all comes out "uh-cons" regardless.) As for the contemporaneous Triggercons, there's no ambiguity in their name, as there's no vowel there to be misappropriated. Right or wrong, the extraneous "uh" in "see-uh-cons" comes from the "a" in "Sea". Last question: "Firecon" is only two syllables, innit? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::It's only two syllables if you're a dirty southerner. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::I'm a Southerner, and I say it "Fie-er". Any rate, the point is the current entry says "all teams had 'i' vowel breaks". Which ain't true... I'm more inclined to believe it's a "three-plus syllables" pattern. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::(D'oh. Terrorcons!) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::::See, I think we should start calling the Pretender Monsters the Pretendicons, just to keep with the pattern. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

==Soundwave's buttons==
I think there are actually two separate issues at work here. I'd always been under the impression that G1 Soundwave underwent a running change in both the U.S. and Japan--going from the distinct, inset early buttons to the big protruding single chrome block later. After that change occurred, the mold was altered to turn it into Soundblaster. That was why Hasbro said at first they couldn't use the tooling anymore--because the door had been changed. The Takara bookbox reissue solved this by making a new version with a hybrid single door / late chrome button style, and also keeping another version with all of Soundblaster's features still around. Have I completely misunderstood the issue? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:35, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

== R-rating ==

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=40510

Huh.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 07:13, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:Didn't they clarify that he was actually talking about Disturbia, Shia's OTHER PG-13 movie that came out that summer? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 14:19, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

== Plagiarizing ==

Yeah. [http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/blog/9107] [http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/blog/9113] [http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/blog/9160] [http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/blog/9169] Awesome work stealing our content and adding your poorly written own stuff, sucker!--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:56, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:I like how he added his own dumb "conclusions", which mostly contradict the copy+pasted text and are just completely wrong too. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 17:38, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
::I've talked with some Brian guy over at that site, and he says he'll be deleting the blogs. Victoly? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:46, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Hasn't happened yet.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:58, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Surprise! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:48, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Looks like it's been removed.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:10, 31 July 2009 (EDT)

== "Companies" section? ==

I've seen the misconception that Tomy bought Takara (rather than merging with them on equal terms) thrown around quite a few times...What else could go into such a section?

Additionally, thise page has grown quite large. Should we split it?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:12, 26 July 2009 (EDT)

==Variations in Europe==

''Some toys were exclusively (or predominantly) available in the United Kingdom (sometimes also the Netherlands)''

As I understand it, one of the reasons why this one may have taken root is because when the franchise began Hasbro in the UK and continental Europe were not yet integrated and so the releases were separate - I think the UK may have even begun the toys in late 1984 (which would explain why the comic began in September that year rather than waiting for the toys advertised to arrive the next). Most of the sightings of toys being available in one market but not the other, though in my experience tend to be cases of the UK not getting toys seemingly available on the continent - e.g. issue #60 of the UK comic reports Blaster being available in Germany with German tech specs - rather than the other way round. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 08:04, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

Agreed. I saw Trypticon and Bruticus box-set on sale in Greece, and Deluxe Insecticons and Shockwave in France circa 1986. None of these were ever available in the UK. [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 08:18, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
:But this section is not referring to European releases of regular US toys. It's referring to Euro-exclusive toys like the "Classic" reissues, Turbomasters etc.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 02:52, 9 May 2010 (EDT)

==Here's an old one I just remembered==
Since the Diaclone & Microchange molds have copyright dates from the 70s on them, the original toys are from the 70s as well. That one's been pretty well debunked by actual release date info, but we should probably have something on the wiki explaining the reason that toys from '82 were marked '78 or whenever. It's something to do with how Japanese patent or copyright law or whatever worked at the time, IIRC - since Microchange STARTED in the late 70s, all the toys, no matter whne they dropped, had the copyright date of the initial product. At least, I think that's how it worked. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 10:51, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
:Correct. Japanese copyright stamping at the time went by year of the brand's inception, not the year the toy per se was created. (I'm not sure if that's still the case in Japan. For any toys produced for non-Asian markets, it seems they're adhering to the date of manufacture rather than brand inception. At least, I can't recall the last time I saw a new TakaraTomy or Bandai toy with an old copyright date on it.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 11:01, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
::Right. and shortly after posting this, I see it's already on there. It seems like we might need a more logical organizing process for this thing - maybe a "pre-Transformers" section before G1 to cover stuff like this exactly. Kind of track it through the history of the series, rumors about pre-TF toylines first, then rumors about TF development (John Romita drawing the character models, f'rinstance) and then kind of an era-by-era as appropriate. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 11:40, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

== Blue Bluestreak ==

My brain is too fried from using Linux to make the appropriate edit right now and have it come out not terrible, but I think it's weird that the article acts like we have absolutely no idea why the rumor of a blue '''''Blue'''''streak would be more widespread than the rumor of a dark gray Astrotrain. (And this is the part where someone assumes I don't know what his name means.) --[[User:Andrusi]]

Because it DID exist as a Diaclone, and some rumors existed of a VERY FEW making it out in TF boxes, including an ex-Hasbro employee. See: http://tfsource.com/blog/diaclone-car-robots-part-1/ --[[User:Chrusher]]

== Can we get this page locked down? ==

Pages of this nature should never be open to anonymous edits, because somebody, somewhere, will take offense to us "lecturing them" on why they're wrong. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:51, 4 July 2010 (EDT)
:That probably won't stop them from making an account just to do the exact same thing anyway. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 16:49, 18 September 2010 (EDT)

== Japanese dub of Animated ==

Japanese Animated is a separate continuity from the Movieverse, right? But there was some early coverage that claimed otherwise, which still has people fooled? Is that correct?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:41, 30 October 2010 (EDT)

== "Transformers was nearly rated R by the MPAA." ==

It sounds like this is true, so does it belong here as a misconception or urban legend? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 02:00, 8 November 2010 (EST)
:Because it's Shia's OTHER film, Disturbia, that was almost rated R. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:08, 8 November 2010 (EST)

== Neo/Car Robots Connection- ==

While I am not disputing that it is not a direct sequel, it might be worth noting that this one does have *some* vague credence, as it does include time-travelling Predacons/Destron(gers) as well as the semi-cameo by Heinlad in the pilot. I would imagine that these elements were included, in part at least, to help the transition from the "Beast Era" fiction to generation-spanning mash-up land. Which, still, a sequel does not make, I grant you. But it might be worth mentioning that there are elements beyond "animation style" that point towards this misconception, the Heinlad 'cameo', especially--[[User:Destrongerlupus|Destrongerlupus]] 15:44, 12 November 2010 (EST)

== War for Cybertron is a prequel to the G1 cartoon/War for Cybertron is part of G1 ==

This section comes across as very pedantic, almost like "Hasbro declared it part of Prime, therefore it is. All the contradictions with the Prime cartoon and the similarities with G1 mean nothing, as they are overruled by Hasbro's official verdict". Yes, I know Hasbro has the last word, but seriously...--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 09:32, 28 November 2010 (EST)
:But that is the case. WFC has superficial similarities to G1 so casual fans automatically ASSume that it is part of that continuity. Hell, many of them don't realize that there are multiple G1 continuities. As the Prime franchise integrates and synthesizes elements from all previous continuity families, there are bound to be similarities to G1. However, the franchise is so new that it is hard to get a feel on what it is. Hasbro's statements as to what belongs where is all that we really have to go on as of yet. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:38, 28 November 2010 (EST)

::I think the section as it is currenty described is pointless. It is G1 cartoon-centric and the reasons why WFC is not G1 also apply to nearly all the G1 comics! [[Special:Contributions/82.15.221.203|82.15.221.203]] 11:56, 29 November 2010 (EST)
:::Except people don't seem to think that WFC is in Marvel or IDW continuity. When people think it's G1, they think it's cartoon G1. The only other G1 universe I ever see people try to fit it into is War Within, and the section discusses that as well. The reason for it being cartoon-centric is because most people are under the belief that it is part of the cartoon. WFC cannot fit into any G1 universe and it's confirmed to not be a new one. The comics, while presenting different views, are G1. WFC may seem like another interpretation, but that's been debunked. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:19, 29 November 2010 (EST)
:As I understand it, the creators were creating it as part of G1, as far as they were concerned. As far as I am concerned, creators of a licensed Transformers product made a G1 story, so it is a G1 story. The wiki's position on the matter really does boil down to "Hasbro declared it part of the modern continuity, therefore it is." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:52, 29 November 2010 (EST)
::It was ''specifically a sequel to the original cartoon'', as far as the video game folks were concerned, despite the Jetfire and the Aerialbots and the Stunticons and the totally new origin for Optimus prime. The video game folks can be wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:59, 29 November 2010 (EST)
:::So it had a sloppy/loose, video-game-level of attention to continuity. The cartoon itself has conflicting origins. Anyway, the section should probably say something about the video game folks and their press statements, since the "War for Cybertron is G1" myth didn't come out of nowhere. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:08, 29 November 2010 (EST)
Here's a possible rephrasing: "High Moon Studios, the creators of the WFC game, intended for it to be a prequel to the G1 Sunbow cartoon, and the two share some broad similarities (though they are irreconcilable in detail). However, Hasbro has declared that WFC is a micro-continuity in the Prime franchise, not G1, and ''ex cathedra'' pronouncements from Hasbro trump authorial intent." [[User:JW|JW]] 14:23, 29 November 2010 (EST)
:I think it's more likely that they advertised it as being part of the cartoon, because that's the most well-known Transformers fiction and would appeal to 80s kids. I don't know how it can be developed as a prequel considering the blatant inconsistencies. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 14:36, 29 November 2010 (EST)
::War Within is a "G1 prequel" even though it clashes with the cartoon. The difference is that there's actual "G1" fiction that is in continuity with War Within (namely, Dreamwave G1). Besides, War for Cybertron clashes with the Prime cartoon just as much as it clashes with the G1 cartoon, so the only thing we have is Hasbro's official word overruling it. Aaaaaaaand then we have the recent case of Hasbro stating that various characters aren't in the movieverse despite official fiction placing them there. So yeah.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 07:17, 2 December 2010 (EST)
:::Thinking about it again, I think the main problem I have is that pretty much everything else on this page is blatantly false and directly disproven by factual evidence. In the case of WFC, all we have is Hasbro in their ever-vague continuity mish-mash official-speak declaring it part of the Prime continuity. Since this is the same Hasbro that claims Hunt for the Decepticon toys who appeared in movieverse fiction or who are tied to movieverse characters via their bios aren't part of the movieverse, I'd say we require more substantial evidence for this to actually belong on this page as a cut-and-dry "misconception". The only other comparable case I can think of is "Car Robots is a Beast Wars Neo sequel", where we list all the arguments disproving it and then only mention the official Takara retcon-via-official-timeline in a postscript sentence.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 10:45, 2 December 2010 (EST)
::::Yea, I don't see how anyone can say "WFC is G1" is blatantly false after watching [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctkjNF9JSPE this commercial]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:36, 3 December 2010 (EST)
:::::I don't see how that commercial proves which continuity the game fits in. Yes, it is obviously HOMAGING G1, but that doesn't make it G1. The Prime franchise draws inspiration from everything that came before. If anything, Starscream's comment "Again?" would point to it NOT being G1. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:05, 4 December 2010 (EST)
::::::You are assuming WFC is part of Prime's continuity and then saying WFC homages G1 because Prime's continuity draws from everything that came before. The question is whether WFC is part of Prime. I think the commercial is promoting WFC as G1. Hasbro says WFC is part of the "modern continuity". I used to think that meant something close to "in continuity with the Prime cartoon", but after the latest Q&A, I'm not exactly sure what "modern continuity" and "[[Hasbro Q&A/November 2010: Answers|modern world continuity]]" are supposed to mean. Hasbro just doesn't think in the same terms regarding categories.
::::::I think if the wiki just looked at WFC itself and how it was promoted, it could easily be put in the G1 continuity family, at least as much as IDW. IDW has different origins for Galvatron, Cyclonus, Goldbug, Headmasters. It homages Pretenders and female Transformers and easter-eggs Action Masters ("[[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1|altmodes are for wimps]]") without any actual (confirmed?) Action Masters. The Micromasters aren't even Cybertronian Transformers. Then there's [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=143991#143991 this]:
::::::{{quote|I don't consider IDW's take as "G1". the stories are not a continuation of the ones from the 80's cartoon or the Marvel stuff. they didn't crash on earth 4 millions years ago and get lodged in a volcano, it doesn't even fit into Beast wars. sure it's got the same names and elements from G1, but that can also be said with every other series that came and went since G1. Armada, Energon, Cybertron, Animated, the Movie.. All have elements of G1 in them, all have an Optimus who's a red truck and there's a Yellow car that younger people can relate to. references to Matrixes, Unicrons..etc, but they're not G1.|DonFig}} Don's reasoning for IDW not being G1 is the exact same sort of stuff in this article about WFC not being G1, yet IDW is still classified as G1. I'm not saying the wiki should reclassify IDW. I'm just saying that saying "WFC is part of G1" isn't some obvious myth. Maybe the wiki should just classify War for Cybertron as its own thing with notes saying the developers considered it in the spirit of Generation 1 and Hasbro kinda sorta lumped it in with modern stuff. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:03, 4 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::Actually that's not what I was saying, I'll try to clarify. That commercial has a design sense that is clearly influenced by G1. Starscream's "again?" comment shows that it is not actually G1, and is thus an homage. Other elements of the game are homages of other parts of TF history (Demolishor and Slipstream for Armada and Animated for example). This mix of homages to various eras is similar to that seen in the Prime cartoon. Hasbro's comments that WFC is part of Prime's continuity family clarifies all of the above. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:19, 4 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Except that Hasbro ''also'' says that certain characters ''aren't'' part of the movieverse but belong to the "modern-world continuity" even though they appeared in official movieverse fiction. So if Hasbro is giving out contradictory information, how can we consider something that hinges entirely on Hasbro's official world "definite"?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:33, 4 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::I think you are reading too much into Starscream's "Again?". I didn't think that when I heard it. It is just Starscream upset because Shockwave is going to request "The Touch" again or something. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:17, 4 December 2010 (EST)

Pretty much the entire purpose of Exodus is to lay the foundation for this new "modern continuity" by taking War for Cybertron's story and differentiating it from G1. This is a ''conscious effort'', folks. It's not like we're just taking one statement and running with it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:21, 4 December 2010 (EST)
:So if Exodus took the War for Cybertron story and de-G1-ified it, where does that leave War for Cybertron itself? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:38, 4 December 2010 (EST)
::As the backstory to Prime. WFC may not have originally been ''intended'' as that, but Exodus is the link that establishes it as the first bit of Hasbro's ''new'' continuity rather than a continuation of a prior continuity.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:51, 4 December 2010 (EST)
:::There's also their identical Cybertron designs: [[Cybertron_(planet)#Prime]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:23, 7 December 2010 (EST)
The current rewrite pleases me. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:11, 6 December 2010 (EST)
:''Some have taken this misconception further and believed War for Cybertron is an actual prequel for the original cartoon.'' ... for example, the game developers themselves! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:20, 6 December 2010 (EST)
::Much better now. The only thing missing as far as I'm concerned is a note on Hasbro's own murky attitude towards "continuity" (PCCs and HftD characters allegedly not being part of the movieverse) and the whole wibbly-wobbly nature of the whole shebang.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:51, 7 December 2010 (EST)
::: That'd be a whole 'nother topic heading, and I'm not sure "The notion of separate and well-defined continuities is far more developed in fandom and on this wiki than within the walls of Hasbro, and thus we are obsessively mapping boundaries that don't really exist," is a topic we'd have much fun visiting. [[User:JW|JW]] 07:08, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::: [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-prime-discussion/346862-seems-hasbro-changed-their-mind.html MY BRAIN HURTS]--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:00, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Well of course they're not in continuity. BUT that doesn't mean they don't belong to the same continuity family. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:08, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Hasbro ''UK''. Who has all of ''no'' say in anything along those lines. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:11, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::Why would Hasbro UK have any less say about continuity than, say, Takara, whose pronouncements we document?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:28, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::PS: I'm not saying that we should take it too seriously, there's the whole 'private correspondence' thing, I'm just finding the idea that Hasbro UK has no say in the matter odd.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:30, 7 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::The massive ineptitude and halfassery that they carry themselves with in everything they do, say or have any part of. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:32, 7 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Takara creates things. Hasbro US creates things. They are both proactive partners in creating Transformers IP. Hasbro UK is their dumb unemployed cousin who can't keep his thumb out of his own ass. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:34, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=75073&st=0 Hasbro US agrees.] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:12, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Can we at least agree that this whole thing is vastly confusing, Hasbro's official stance has flaws and there's been contradictory information given out by the dumb unemployed UK brother?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 11:03, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Also: [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-prime-discussion/346862-seems-hasbro-changed-their-mind-8.html#post5453604] From Pete Sinclair: {{quote|What I have been told is one continuity, the modern continuity, containing these 3 stories. Hasbro does not deal with Universal streams or continuity families. They only deal with, and are concerned with, the modern continuity...}}--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:24, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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::::::HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:17, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Yes, because e-mail correspondences with marketing guys (from Hasbro UK, no less) are reliable arbiters of Transformers information. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:58, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::More insanity: [[Cliffjumper (Prime)]] has a link in his toy entry to [[Cliffjumper (G1)]], implying that Takara's United version of Generations Cliffjumper represents an incarnation of G1 Cliffjumper. Is there any evidence supporting this, or are we automatically assuming that all Takara toys represent incarnations of G1 characters unless explicitly stated otherwise? To make matters more complicated, G1 Cliffjumper's page contains no entry for United Cliffjumper.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:25, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::[http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/products/united/un01.html The website links between "Earth Mode" and "Cybertron Mode" toys.] Takara doing their own thing is not a new occurrence. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 08:34, 8 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::For what it's worth, [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=74770 Figure Oh!] explicitly advertises Cliffjumper as appearing in the DS version of WFC.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 10:29, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Not worth a lot. They're simply pointing out the real-world genesis of the toy. Frankly, IF we see any kind of fiction-use of said models, it'll likely be in some manga set in some continuity that is just as irreconcilable (or blatantly new) as Henkei was... if it's not set in Henkei's timeline anyway. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:15, 8 December 2010 (EST)

== Transformers Prime Toyline existence==

Should the persistent belief that Transformers: Prime will not have a toyline be added here, or is it only TFW that gets like five threads devoted to that topic on a daily basis? -[[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 11:05, 30 November 2010 (EST)
:Until there is an announced toyline, instead of the "We're not making toys" one we got, it's not a misconception or an urban legend. It's fact based on the available information [[User:Eire]] 16:18 30 Nov 2010.
:: THEY NEVER SAID THEY WEREN'T MAKING TOYS. NEVER EVER. Jesus Christ, in the exact same panel in which people THOUGHT Hasbro said they weren't making toys, Eric Siebenaler even said that he couldn't wait for people to see Bulkhead Prime's action figure! ALL THEY SAID WAS THAT THEY WERE '''NOT TALKING ABOUT TOYS RIGHT THIS MOMENT''', not that there would NEVER BE TOYS. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:22, 30 November 2010 (EST)
:::That's the thing, some people still believe that Hasbro isn't going to make any toys for the Prime franchise. I'd support the addition of a section clarifying this for those people. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:14, 30 November 2010 (EST)
::::Seems like the sort of thing that's going to have a relatively short lifespan, as we're probably going to see the Prime toys at Toyfair.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:31, 30 November 2010 (EST)
:::::At that point, the "Hasbro said they weren't making any Prime toys and they're liars!" begins. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:22, 30 November 2010 (EST)
::::::What are you getting so worked up about? If they said there are no toys in the works at the moment, it one doesn't contradict my statement of no sign of toys to come, because there isn't because they haven't revealed any, and two if it does contradict me, so what? It's exactly...nothing. Certainly nothing to get remotely excited about. Or is this mainstream forum backlash. I should point out, I avoid the big forums, so if this has been kicked up fifty billion times over there, I wouldn't know about it. [[User:Eire]] 18:31 30 Nov 2010.
:::::::I'm pretty sure someone from Hasbro (Aaron Archer?) said that there would be Prime figures, but they were holding off until after the current blitz of 2010/Generations/PCC and (possibly) the upcoming DOTM line. Can anyone back me up on this with a reference? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:44, 30 November 2010 (EST)
:::::::They never said "there are no toys in the works at the moment," they said they weren't talking about it.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 14:31, 30 November 2010 (EST)
::::::::This. This this this this this. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:59, 30 November 2010 (EST)
Now that you say it, I do think you're right, Walky. I'm probably always going to want to stab ''someone'' in the eyeball with a nail file over this. Which, I guess, is our criteria for this article, come to think of it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 04:23, 1 December 2010 (EST)

==Nimoy Unicron lines?==
I know it's been debunked over the years, but we probably ought to put the "Leonard Nimoy dubbed some of Orson Welles' lines because they were unusable" rumor to bed on this page somewhere. -hx at work

==Targets for bloat removal==
Okay, I'm putting together a list of items of dubious existence on this page. There's a lot of stuff that just seems... small. Certainly trivia-worthy on relevant pages, but not big enough to really warrant being here. Let's hear some arguments for keeping...
* Powermaster Optimus Prime was the first, original Optimus Prime toy.
* A "giant"-sized Optimus Prime toy was available during Generation 1.
* A winged variant of Sludge was available during Generation 1.
* The reissue Soundwave toys released by Takara are reverse-engineered from Soundblaster because the original molds are lost.
* Commemorative Series Side Swipe was found at Toys"R"Us stores in the USA.
* Some toys were exclusively (or predominantly) available in the United Kingdom (sometimes also the Netherlands).
:There's certainly some confusion about the way releases were handled on this side of the Atlantic, not least because it took time for the various markets and even companies to be aligned, and this has created confusion in later years when everything's been gathered under a single listing called "Europe". I'm not sure the current paragraphs really convey this well - indeed the myths in the 1980s and early 1990s (mainly through the UK letterspage) tended to be based around the continent getting toys the UK didn't rather than the other way round and some of this got reproduced in the internet era. But would "All countries in Europe received a single set of releases in the 1980s" be obscure in itself and/or oversummarising the mess? [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 15:48, 9 May 2013 (EDT)
* Transformers were meant as a "genderless" race. Arcee and the other female Transformers were added to the brand because feminists complained about the Transformers all being male. (''When the fuck was this ever proposed?'')
:I actually heard this from someone else a few years ago, so it's been making the rounds. Given that the G1 cartoon seemingly went out of its way to avoid adding female characters at first (no recurring female characters for 1984, and Carly not appearing until several episodes into the 1985 season) while other franchises were gender-integrated from the get-go (such as with G. I. Joe or He-Man), I can see where this misconception might have first started. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 18:28, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
* The Transformers: The Movie/Scatman Crothers coined the term "ginormous", which has since been added to several dictionaries.
* An Earthforce story was written to promote the non-combining Constructicon toys.
:--[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:35, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
:Also, several of the entries not on this list can really use some trim. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:53, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
::"A "giant"-sized Optimus Prime toy was available during Generation 1." seems particularly unneeded since it directly follows the bit about 20th Anniversary Optimus, which is pretty much the same misconception. The only part that is really new is the the giant bootleg thing, and that could just be added to the 20th Anniversary section if needed. [[User:Soundwarp SG-1|Soundwarp SG-1]] 12:37, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
::For me this has been one of the most interesting pages over the years, so I'm sad to see anything go, but yeah, some like the Alternators Windcharger thing would make more sense just on individual character pages. On "Winged Sludge": was that really more of a source of confusion than any other Four Star knock-off? Should that myth possibly be expanded to something like, "Four Star's toys using Transformer molds were legit Diaclone variants sold at the same time as their TF counterparts," since some listings of their toys throw up "Diaclone" as a keyword? [[User:Bumblevivisector|Bumblevivisector]] 20:01, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
::I think this page should focus on the large scale, line wide myths. Things particular to one character (or one actor, in the case of Scatman Crothers) should be moved to the specific page. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:55, 9 May 2013 (EDT)

==The G1 series being dubbed anime==
I remembered something when I read this entry in the list. Back when Rhino was releasing the 1986 movie and the first few batches of episodes on VHS, the local chain of the Suncoast video retailer had everything "Transformers" stocked in their anime section. Back then I honestly took it to mean that Transformers was anime, and another collector I spoke with at the time thought the same.

For those who had Suncoast chains in their area during the Rhino years, did your chain similarly stock G1 in the "anime" section? If so, then Suncoast might have inadvertently contributed to the propagation of this myth. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 13:24, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
:I'm pretty sure being a cartoon with a lot of behind-the-scenes associations with Japan had much more to do with the "the propagation of this myth" than your local overpriced retailer. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 14:58, 5 May 2014 (EDT)

== "Megatron is named from Megas" ==

Does this count as a misconception? This was written on Wikipedia about fans missauming it but Megatron is actually a portemeau of megaton and tron.

== IDW Hasbroverse ==

Though I'm not going to argue against the point that the existing IDW TF continuity getting rebooted isn't the fault of the Hasbroverse, the phrase "unsustainable downwards spiral" regarding pre-Hasbroverse sales is pretty hyperbolic and somewhat ignorant of the general comics industry. The graph linked to in the footnote shows sales steadily declining at about 1k a year. Across the 4 years from DoOP to Revolution, that's a drop of about a third. That may sound bad, but that's actually better than average. Pretty much every American monthly comic (apart from the Walking Dead) loses readers as it goes. Many from Marvel and DC will see bigger percentage drops in readership than that in the space of one year, let alone four, and not only keep on going, but be considered successes. If a phrase as overblown as "unsustainable downwards spiral" is apt for anything, it's the post-Revolution sales, which see that level of decline within about a year, which, more supports the "misconception" being argued against here. If this is going to be "debunked" it needs to be with first hand evidence (a quote from someone at IDW) rather than tenuous supposition from sales charts. [[User:Danja|Danja]] ([[User talk:Danja|talk]]) 11:00, 2 April 2018 (EDT)

== Bay's Opinion on the 1986 movie ==

I suddenly remembered someone said that Michael Bay hated the 1986 Animated movie. Don't know who said that, but I can consider this as a rumor since there is no official word about him genuinely hating the flick. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 12:53, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

== Cliffjumper's deaths in "every" continuity ==

Uh, yeah. There are some people who still think that Cliffjumper dies in every show or comic that existed. Is it worth mentioning? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 01:56, 28 July 2020 (EDT)

== Bumblebee Not Confirmed as Reboot ==

I'm not entirely sure what's not clear about a 'new storytelling universe' meaning a reboot of some sort. It surely means other than the existing Bayverse even if it borrows elements from it.

== Lorenzo sabotaged Peter Cullen's Audition ==

I see this brought up on various fan sites, in discussions about why fans hate Lorenzo di Bonaventura. The source of this comes from an interview with Don Murphy, someone who is from what I've read is pretty biased himself. The basic story is Mr. Murphy refers to Mr. Bonaventura as Scorponok, who wanted Liam Neeson as Optimus Prime, for starpower, while Mr. Murphy believed they should get Cullen back in the role. There is a story that Lorenzo sabotaged Mr. Cullen's audition, by making sure the other person who was supposed to read the lines not show up, but Peter Cullen managed to play both characters (Optimus Prime and Ironhide) and impressed Michael Bay to reprise the role for the live action theatrical film. I see this story repeated verbatim in the fandom without a source should this warrant a place on this page? And does anyone have a refutable source for this story?

[[User:96megatron|96megatron]] ([[User talk:96megatron|talk]]) 11:16, 14 November 2020 (EST)

== bumblebee losing his voice at the end of fall of cybertron. ==

Funny enough, there exist some people who think bumblebee lost his voice to Megatron WHILE protecting optimus prime, despite earlier dialogue from ratchet stated that he in fact lost his voice even before bumblebee protect optimus from Megatron's blast. If anything, it's basically already confirmed in prime that he indeed lost his voice between war for cybertron and fall of cybertron. Should I add it? Mikey. 11:02, 18 November 2020 (EST)

Talk:Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers

2020-11-18T16:02:31Z

Michael dunlap.:

Talk:Bumblebee at Tyger Pax

2020-11-18T15:38:48Z

Michael dunlap.:

I did not know this wasn't official Hasbro product. I figured it was a promotion for Exodus. This is just something the author whipped up for his own entertainment? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 20:28, 28 June 2010 (EDT)
:Its only publication was on a blog. There really isn't anything to officially tie it to Hasbro or Del Ray. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:18, 28 June 2010 (EDT)
::and as it turns out, this story is now canon, as transformers prime reference this. Lol Mikey. 10:38, 18 November 2020 (EST)

== Spelling ==

Corrected "Ultra Magus".

== No longer apocrypha? ==

We still use the apocrypha template on [[Alignment]], despite it being "canonized" by Ask Vector Prime; and that template was added by Jim Sorenson, author of the AllSpark Almanac II, after it came out. If it's being kept on there, shouldn't it stay here, too? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:30, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
:There's another similar discussion going on here that few people seem interested in. [[Talk:Doomsday Redux!]]. Anyway, I think it's probably fine to get rid of the Apocrapha templates as long as we're still clear in the notes about what happened. That should probably go for Alignment too. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 18:11, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
::Alignment will never be canon until it is published in full under a Hasbro stamp. The template stays there. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 23:00, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Exodus

2020-11-18T14:55:36Z

Michael dunlap.:

== Synopsis ==

There's been some more [http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl/9780345519856.html info] posted up about the novel. How much of it should go in here (quoted or referenced)? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 13:14, 25 March 2010 (EDT)
: That's the exact same information that's on the Amazon link. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:17, 25 March 2010 (EDT)
::Indeed - a link which was only updated to include said synopsis today. My question still stands - how should the new information regarding the novel's plot be added to the synopsis here (as a direct quote, or a re-write)? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 13:21, 25 March 2010 (EDT)

This has probably been discussed elsewhere, but--why are we calling this "Exodus" and not "Transformers: Exodus"? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:07, 24 May 2010 (EDT)
:The "Transformers:" part is routinely left of of article titles just to shorten them. It is usually used on the page itself. I'll fix that. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:17, 24 May 2010 (EDT)

== Spoilers? ==

This is out in stores now, and I'm reading it. Looks like there's gonna be a LOT to add. So are we doing anytype of spoiler wait on it or should we just start adding things here and on other pages?
:Spoiler warnings, of course. Since half the fandom will be at BotCon this week, there should some waiting to give people a chance to read it.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:25, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

== G1 ==
This comic is COMPLETELY different than than the war for cybertron storyline which is a direct prequel to G1. {{unsigned|98.204.17.1}}
:Yes, it is; no, it isn't; and we already know. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:20, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
: War for Cybertron is not a direct prequel to G1. Half Moon Studios likes to say it is, but that's because they want to sell video games. For example, they've specifically said that the video game ends right when the original cartoon begins, which is impossible on so many levels. I mean, we have the Aerialbots existing four million years before they were born! We have Jetfire as an Autobot hanging out on Cybertron when he should be encased in ice on Earth as a Decepticon! We have the entire war taking place, from Optimus becoming Prime to the Transformers leaving the planet, over a short series of interconnected levels instead of over 5 million years! "This video game takes place before the cartoon" was clearly marketing speak for the casual fan, not something that would hold up to scrutiny. (Same as their "we've never seen Cybertron before!" crap.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:22, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

== Character info box ==

Doesn't this article need one? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:10, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

== "Compromise"? ==
Okay, Alientraveller, I would kindly like to see your explanation for how it ISN'T an error to refer to "Autobot Seekers" as a plural and then say there's only one of them ''within the same page''. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:28, 24 August 2010 (EDT)
:It's a written error rather than a continuity error. With the starting mention of Autobot Seekers, it uses the definition of Seeker in the novels' original term for Cybertronian fliers, in this those later defined as Aerialbots. Then it mentions Jetfire as the sole defector of the Seekers, in that case referring to them as a now Decepticon subfaction. So clumsy yes, but unlike the other errors there's a good explanation, so I'll change the heading. I also apologise for using compromise in the wrong way, because I ought to have checked if you were pleased, and as I can tell you still disagree. I also hope you're not thinking I'm trying to cover up errors or anything, I loved the novel but even I added some while dispensing with other supposed errors.
:Would this phrasing work? ''"All of the Seekers [as a pre-civil war air force] loyal to the Autobots were out on patrol.... The sole exception, Jetfire, the sole Seeker [as a group of Decepticon fliers] to have defected to the Autobots..."'' (p.204). [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:05, 24 August 2010 (EDT)

== Sequel? ==

Does a [http://twitter.com/alexirvine/status/50212315857035264# "tweet" by Alex Irvine] count as confirmation of the sequel to ''Exodus''?
 [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 12:25 AM, 29 March 2011 A.D.
:There's been more than a tweet thus far... thus why we already have [[Transformers: Exiles|an article]] for the sequel book. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:31, 29 March 2011 (EDT)
::I was about to respong by saying that there was no mention of it on the page for ''Exodus'', but then I saw the arrow. As you can see, sleepiness causes stupidity. I shall now bed and leave this wiki to those whose homes are still in daylight.
::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 2:22 AM, 29 March 2011 A.D.

== Compare/Contrast with WFC and others ==

Took me three months, but [http://forum.unicron.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1003 here you go] (mirrored [http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/exodus-vs-t75090.php here] too). Might be of some use (or least interest) to some of the Wiki users here. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 13:46, 31 March 2011 (EDT)
:Some of your info is vague enough to be misleeding, Characterizing G1 Shockwave based only on the Toon, When his comic portrayle was mor prominent and very different. For instance. --[[Special:Contributions/99.109.23.205|99.109.23.205]] 14:58, 31 March 2011 (EDT)
::He said in the intro that he was only using the G1 toon as he was unfamiliar with the comics. He's not misleading, you're just not paying attention. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:03, 31 March 2011 (EDT)
:::I am currently reading the Marvel G1 comics to better familiarize myself with them, but for now this comparison deals mostly with the cartoons. Someone suggested to me that this list should be used for Wiki purposes, so I was wondering if this list could be of any use here. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:57, 31 March 2011 (EDT)

== This puzzles me... ==

Is it a a graphic novel or a graphic-''less'' novel? --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.162.13|66.82.162.13]] 17:45, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
:Ordinary novel. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:03, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

Just words. A real, actual novel. If it was a Graphic Novel we would have called it such.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 18:13, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== Should this really be listed under the "War for Cybertron" franchise? ==

I'm not so sure of that, strictly because I'm not so sure of it. Where would Exiles fall under, then? --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 05:25, 6 October 2011 (EDT)
: Articles are disambiguated by franchise, not continuity. There can be multiple franchises per continuity. That one portion of a continuity is disambiguated differently from another portion, despite being from the same overall story is not something rare on this wiki. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:18, 6 October 2011 (EDT)
:: Ahh, sure thing, then. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 16:10, 6 October 2011 (EDT)

== Page Numbers ==

Why are all the page number off? I my copy, the two lines about Starscream being/not being a scientist are on pages 42 and 84 for example.--[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 17:21, 8 March 2012 (EST)
:Do you have the hardback? My copy was the paperback. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 17:28, 8 March 2012 (EST)

== can someone make a page for the differences between the war for cybertron and fall of cybertron game and this book? ==

Only reason I ask, is because if I'm gonna be honest... I actually haven't noticed the differences between the two, (espicially since I only read up to chapter 15 and then played war for cybertron as I think that's how it's canonically supposed to be.) So can someone make one? Mikey. 09:55, 18 November 2020 (EST)

Talk:Transformers: Exodus

2020-11-18T14:55:23Z

Michael dunlap.:

Talk:Optimus Prime (disambiguation)

2020-11-17T18:15:39Z

Michael dunlap.:

Augh! Do we really need to be in the business of linking to a person's Myspace page? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 07:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:That depends. How many people have legally renamed themselves after Transformers, or are likely to do so in the future? - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 07:48, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

:Change your name to Windbreaker and we'll mention you on the Wiki! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

:Instead of linking to the guy's MySpace page, we may want to consider to linking his name ot one of the articles that showed up about him in the mainstream media when he actually changed his name. Or his user account on the Wiki, if he has one. Linking to an external vanity page just seems a bit... icky, though. -[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 08:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

:The external vanity page has an article about his namechange, as well as a scan of the legal document where he changed his name. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

::It's also about 10MB, and is so poorly-coded that it brings my computer--an Intel Core Duo 2.16GHz with ATI FireGL 5200 graphics card, for reference--to a crawl when I try to navigate it. Not to mention that MySpace is a wretched hive of scum and villainy to begin with. --[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 08:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

==Confusing==
What a horrible, long list. We need a way of categorizing these disambiguation lists once they get so long. I was thinking of doing it by continuity family with a '''bolded''' name above, but there's a lot of those too now, and we'd end up with several of them with just one underneath. Hrgh. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

==Animated==
Should Animated OP really be labeled as 2007? I ask because although animated premiered in 2007, with the exception of the first episode, its entirely in 2008. Also, all of the associated merchandise is not even released yet and is going to be (obviously) in 2008.--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 21:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

==Quote==

I think it'd be cool if we had a quote at the top of the page, just like we have for the Megs Disambiguation page.[[Special:Contributions/96.227.184.235|96.227.184.235]] 21:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

== Optimus Prime (MAD) ==

The shows Mad has portrayed Optimus Prime several times. Should that version of Optimus Prime get a page?[[User:Noob saibot red|Noob saibot red]] 00:07, 3 January 2012 (EST)
: God help me I just want to ban him right now. Give me strength. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:10, 3 January 2012 (EST)
:: I can't believe he just asked that. No he should NOT get a page, and don't strain yourself holding back Walky [[User:Stevo|Stevo]] 00:12, 3 January 2012 (EST)
::: Why what did I do? Look, my point is if [[Optimash Prime]] has a page shouldn't he have a page or be noted somewhere. Just asking?[[User:Noob saibot red|Noob saibot red]] 00:14, 3 January 2012 (EST)
:::: No he should not. Optimash Prime is offically liscened Has/Tak product. Optimus Prime featuring in Mad is not official Transformers fiction. [[User:Stevo|Stevo]] 00:17, 3 January 2012 (EST)

== should there be a page for the war for cybertron trilogy version of the character? ==

Just asking, that's all.

Talk:Binder of Revelation

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Michael dunlap.: /* does a copy Of this book exist? */

=="And the fandom"==
Do we know what was contributed by the fandom or by whom?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:06, 27 March 2012 (EDT)

Is it possible for an average Joe fan to get a copy of this thing? Seems like it would be a fascinating read.

== does a copy Of this book exist? ==

Cuz I actually want to read this. Mikey. 16:56, 15 November 2020 (EST)

Talk:Binder of Revelation

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Michael dunlap.: /* "And the fandom" */

Talk:Transformers: Retribution

2020-11-14T06:11:30Z

Michael dunlap.: /* Cybertron games */

== Sharkticon (Prime) ==

We don't split up species by continuity family, do we? The Quintessons themselves, for instance, have one big article covering all continuities. If these Sharkticons are the same species as the originals, the G1 article should be reworked into a general article about the species. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 11:35, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

== Cybertron games ==

Why there are notes about Cybertron games in this page? Ok, Hasbro confirmed that they are all in same universe. But, Retribution is continuation of [[Transformers: Exodus|previous]] [[Transformers: Exiles|novels]], rather than Cybertron games. [[User:HispasatBot|HispasatBot]] 19 February 2020
:You answered your own question: they are in the same universe. The books continue on from the games. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:51, 19 February 2020 (EST)
::So is Exodus novel no longer important? [[User:HispasatBot|HispasatBot]] 20 February 2020
:::I don't understand your question. One piece of fiction can follow on from multiple other pieces of fiction. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:08, 20 February 2020 (EST)
::::Ah. I think I get it. The Exodus novel and War for Cybertron game both tell slightly different versions of the same period of time in Aligned history. Normally, this would mean two different universal streams, meaning Retribution would be following after the Exodus novel, and therefore WFC notes would be off-topic. However, early statements given by Hasbro about the Aligned continuity emphasized that all Aligned properties were meant to be one single continuity. Things that don't work, well...you should all just squint a little until it does work. So bits about WFC may inform on the novels and may inform on the Prime cartoon...even though they don't entirely fit together as a whole. It's squishy, but there it is. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 23:01, 20 February 2020 (EST)
:::::This is what I meant. If there are notes about Cybertron games in this page instead of Exodus novel, this means Exodus novel is no longer important. [[User:HispasatBot|HispasatBot]] 21 February 2020
::::::Okay, I have this to say: the exodus novel after chapter 15 is a LOOSE ADAPTATION of the war for cybertron video games, the games version of the story goes more into detail on the war, as they had 2 games to build it off of. So, that the games story is the canonical events of the war, and exodus in chapter 16 onward is a retelling of that same war. Mikey. 01:11, 14 November 2020 (EST)
::::::No, it means that no notes have been written. That could mean that there are no problems to mention. Or simply that no one has got around to it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:27, 21 February 2020 (EST)
:::::::The way Aligned fiction works (especially early Aligned fiction), it's not an all-or-nothing principle where EITHER Exodus OR WFC applies, but not both. There can be notes about both Exodus and WFC here, even if those two fictions contradict or overlap each other in places. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:30, 21 February 2020 (EST)
::::::::Admins of this wiki are COMPLETELY morons! Everybody opposites me and reverses what I do! Even this FUCKING wiki saying WFC Megatron's weapon is Riot Cannon! WHAT THE FUCK! I can't be a member of this FUCKING wiki! I'm OUT! {{unsigned|HispasatBot|09:18, 25 March 2020 (EDT)}}

Talk:Transformers: Retribution

2020-11-14T06:09:52Z

Michael dunlap.: /* Cybertron games */

== Sharkticon (Prime) ==

We don't split up species by continuity family, do we? The Quintessons themselves, for instance, have one big article covering all continuities. If these Sharkticons are the same species as the originals, the G1 article should be reworked into a general article about the species. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 11:35, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

== Cybertron games ==

Why there are notes about Cybertron games in this page? Ok, Hasbro confirmed that they are all in same universe. But, Retribution is continuation of [[Transformers: Exodus|previous]] [[Transformers: Exiles|novels]], rather than Cybertron games. [[User:HispasatBot|HispasatBot]] 19 February 2020
:You answered your own question: they are in the same universe. The books continue on from the games. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:51, 19 February 2020 (EST)
::So is Exodus novel no longer important? [[User:HispasatBot|HispasatBot]] 20 February 2020
:::I don't understand your question. One piece of fiction can follow on from multiple other pieces of fiction. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:08, 20 February 2020 (EST)
::::Ah. I think I get it. The Exodus novel and War for Cybertron game both tell slightly different versions of the same period of time in Aligned history. Normally, this would mean two different universal streams, meaning Retribution would be following after the Exodus novel, and therefore WFC notes would be off-topic. However, early statements given by Hasbro about the Aligned continuity emphasized that all Aligned properties were meant to be one single continuity. Things that don't work, well...you should all just squint a little until it does work. So bits about WFC may inform on the novels and may inform on the Prime cartoon...even though they don't entirely fit together as a whole. It's squishy, but there it is. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 23:01, 20 February 2020 (EST)
:::::This is what I meant. If there are notes about Cybertron games in this page instead of Exodus novel, this means Exodus novel is no longer important. [[User:HispasatBot|HispasatBot]] 21 February 2020
::::::Okay, I have this to say: the exodus novel after chapter 15 is a LOOSE ADAPTATION of the war for cybertron video games, the games version of the story goes more into detail on the war, as they had 2 games to build it off of.
::::::No, it means that no notes have been written. That could mean that there are no problems to mention. Or simply that no one has got around to it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:27, 21 February 2020 (EST)
:::::::The way Aligned fiction works (especially early Aligned fiction), it's not an all-or-nothing principle where EITHER Exodus OR WFC applies, but not both. There can be notes about both Exodus and WFC here, even if those two fictions contradict or overlap each other in places. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:30, 21 February 2020 (EST)
::::::::Admins of this wiki are COMPLETELY morons! Everybody opposites me and reverses what I do! Even this FUCKING wiki saying WFC Megatron's weapon is Riot Cannon! WHAT THE FUCK! I can't be a member of this FUCKING wiki! I'm OUT! {{unsigned|HispasatBot|09:18, 25 March 2020 (EDT)}}

Talk:Bumblebee (Movie)

2020-11-12T08:00:03Z

Michael dunlap.:

So, like I said, this is just to kick around a movie character page until we figure out how we're going to organize everything. There's a few areas I think need adressing.

*First is the disambiguation description. Currently I have it as (Movie) but do we want to change it? I think we should, in at least because we actually have another Transformers movie floating around. Additionally, while the movie is the main focus, there is other content within the canon that is non-movie.

*Continuity Family description. While "Transformers (2007)" is probably the best we have, it'll kind of sound a bit weird if we ever get a further stuff in this unverse at a later date. (Movie) would also a bad term IMO. Not sure if there's a better option though.

*Fiction Descriptions. There's at least three key areas of fiction that will be relevant (four, perhaps, if the IDW movie adaptation has stuff that isn't in the movie). The first is the prequel comic. According to the comic cover (a copy of which can be found [http://tfarchive.com/comics/idw/movieprequel1a.php here], it's called the "Transformers Official Movie Prequel." Sounds a bit pretentious.. IDW Prequel Comic would be sufficant?
The second is the Prequel novel, which is listed on amazon [http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Ghosts-Yesterday-Ballantine-Books/dp/0345497988/sr=1-1/qid=1170093193/ref=sr_1_1/102-1005451-0556957?ie=UTF8&s=books 1] here. It's labeled as just "Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday" but I'm not sure if we should point out that it is also a prequel to the movie.
The third, of course, is the film.

So, anywho, that's everything I think that needs to be addressed at this moment. Any ideas/opinions/comments/complaints? --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 17:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, and we also need actual pics of the Bee at some point. For the prequel comic, the cover for the first issue should do nicely. (Available at the above link) The only problem is I'm not sure if it's kosher to just snag it off that guys page. As for the main picture, a screencap from the trailer might work; though a picture of that prop that was floating around would be better (but I really doubt it would be kosher. :D) --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 18:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I apologize in advance for my recent edits. Am in a weird mood today. --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 18:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
:How can you apologize in advance for something you've already did? :D --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 18:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
::See the continuity section of "Earthforce" for a detailed explanation. --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 18:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I move that the debate about the best way to suffix these articles be shelved until the movie prequels are out- in the hopes that:
* The characters 'read' as another iteration of the G1 characters, rendering this debate unnecessary.
* The prequels themselves present some handy blanket catchphrase for referring to their continuity.
-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
:This was prompted by a review of the first issue of the prequel comic being released. Like I said, it comes off as different as G1 as Armada was.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 19:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
:And really, to answer whether or not this is "another iteration of the G1 characters" would require just what that entails. Where is the line drawn between "reimagining" and "new version?" As I mentioned elsewhere, what's the big difference between Armada Optimus Prime and G1 Optimus Prime? They're pretty much the same character. At least as similar as G1 toon Optimus was to G1 IDW Comic Optimus--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 19:35, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

::Fundamental universe construction.
::And I wasn't aware there was a review out-- where? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
:::Whoops. I posted a link above but I guess I didn't point out it also had a review. Here ya go again. [http://tfarchive.com/comics/idw/movieprequel1a.php SPOILERS AHOY!]

::::I would second the sentiment that sorting out a lot of this stuff should be put on hold until the prequel materials actually start being released, and we can get a somewhat more clear look at the shape of the movie-verse. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

==Spoilers==
I'm somewhat handicapped by not reading the article because I choose to, but I can't help that notice that we have a '''fiction summary from an issue that is not out yet without a spoiler tag.''' [[Talk:Transformers (film)#For the love of God, part 2|For the love of God]], why are we doing this? I asked ''almost'' nicely. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:11, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

:The main reason I didn't spoiler-tag the article is that I completely made up the whole fiction section. --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 17:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
:: And that's what I get for not reading it, I guess. I have been punk'd. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
::: So what I did was basically like leaving a ticking alarm clock in a case of Twinkies and leaving it at the baggage check, but without the feds knocking on my door? Never intended to do such a thing but it still makes me chuckle. --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 17:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I cleared out the misinformation and added a direct link to the main Bumblebee article. I'm not even sure which other pages link to this movie specific one.

:And in the process, you completely obliterated the entire reason this page was created in the first place (see the top of this talk page), ''and'' added a real spoiler to the beginning of the article! Brilliant! --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 17:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

== Time For a Real Page ==
When is it going to be time for a REAL BB (Movie) page? All the other characters pretty much have them now and we know how things will be set up. It was a good joke, but I think it may be time to let it go and give him a real, useful entry. Opinions?
:I'm honestly surprised it hasn't already been fixed. :D--[[User:209.193.18.195|209.193.18.195]] 11:20, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
:: I agree - there's plenty of officially-released info and stuff from the IDW comics and novel to form the basis of a half-decent serious article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

==Car geekings==
I noticed Bumblebee's identified as a 1967 Camaro. Is this model year stated anywhere officially? He looks more like a second-generation body style, which ran from 1970 to '81.

I guess this is as good a place as any to say (argue?) that the Camaro can concievably still fit with Bumblebee's original "economic" character traits. If he is indeed a second-gen, that seems to be the model that ran during the beginnings of the 1980s fuel crisis, and thus lost power in favor of economy (implied from the Camaro's Wiki entry.) The upcoming fifth-generation has at least one modern fuel-saving technology, cylinder-cutoff.

If, you know, that even needed to be said. The Camaro's a great car for Bumblebee to pick to make good with human youth anyway.-[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 10:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

: I believe its actually a 1974 Camaro. Walky made a mistake, methinks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
::I have the prequels handy, and Sector 7 says he's either a '75 or a '76. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
::: I'm dyslexic! Fix it! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

== Disambig suffix ==

Is there a reason (Movie) is capitalized when things like (planet) are not?
:I would assume because "Movie" has been what we're calling the continuity family. Come to think of it, I'm kinda not sure whether it oughta be capitalized or not. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
::That makes sense, a continity family would logically be a Proper Name, so it works.
::(Man, I can't WAIT 'til we figure out a better name for this continuity family and we get to change all the links...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:::[[User:DiagnosticDrone]] will do it. He likes that kind of thing. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 20:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

== Amusing tidbit ==

I ran across the following amusing (unused?) text string while poking the undercode of Transforemrsgame.com. It made me laugh.

''Bumblebee is an Autobot. See Bumblebee run. See Bumblebee throw a car five hundred feet through the air smashing a large, heavily trafficked office building slaughtering hundreds all in the name of "Proecting" or "Defending" the Earth, or whatever they want to call it today. Thanks Bumblebee, you're a real pal!

''But seriously. Bumblebee was in the original Transformers movie for like, less than 10 seconds total and it worked out great. Why is he being given HotRod like airtime in this new movie? Better yet, WHERE IS HOTROD? I mean, COME ON PEOPLE. What are you thinking?!

==Old spare pic==
Old promo render --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:23, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
[[Image:MovieBumblebee_render1.jpg|thumb|right|150px|]]

== Chatty Cathy ==

Currently the article says Bumblebee can't talk. We've got other sources that say he can't speak without pain (and chances of aggravating the injury?) And then of course there's the movie, where the Autobts say he can't talk- until he does under... bizarre circumstances. The can't talk section clearly needs changing- but I'm at a loss as to what it should say. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::He can`t talk without pain. At the end, the AB,s fix him. Get it? Good. Shut up.--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 22:17, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

::: I think now his new voice box has chronic larengitus. Anyone else?[[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] ([[User talk:Femtransfan|talk]]) 23:29, 10 July 2017 (EDT)

== Bumblebee knowing about the witwicky family ==

Is it stated in a prequel material how come Bumblebee knew about the relation between the Witwicky family and the Allspark? And how come the Decepticon never did the connection until hacking POTUS in the movie?--[[User:193.191.211.52|193.191.211.52]] 06:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
: In the prequel comics, Bumblebee did a Schwiggle (Google) search for "UFOs" or something, which brought up Captain Archibald Witwicky's "Ice Man" discovery. He then apparently spent the next four years stalking Witwicky's various descendents. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

== Possible error ==

In the Bumblebee new Camaro toy section:

"Contrary to popular opinion, the yellow pieces on the back of Bumblebee's feet are not supposed to be heel spurs, nor have they not been misassembled. They are supposed to fold up to emulate the detail found on the CGI design."

NOR have they NOT been misassembled means that they HAVE been misassembled. Have they or haven't they? Either way, I think this warrants a change of wording. [[User:Fiction Alchemist|C.V. Reynolds]] 10:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, I made a typo. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:41, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

== Toy Page ==

What is with the toy page, it's all over the place! There's Robot Heroes in the middle of the RC toys, Legends Class in the middle of the Deluxe Section, heck this is more of a Bumblebee toy page, than his bio page! [[User:198.166.226.72|198.166.226.72]] 08:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:I sorted the toy list. Anyone who thinks it was better the way it was before please state so here; otherwise I propose adjusting the other movie characters' toy pages in a similar fashion.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
::Looks good, Nev--sorting by mold and then by chronological release order works pretty well for these. Splitting off the section to its own page might still be worth a look, but either way, I'd be in favor of this organizational structure for the movie toy sections.--[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 21:10, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I think it's a good idea to split this page so that the toys themselves get a page on there own, the toys page is HUGE.--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 21:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, that's definitely an improvement! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Apparently M "this is how we do stuff here" Sipher didn't agree. And decided to ignore the talk page too.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 00:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::You know, we originally seperated the FABs, Cyber Slammers ect out of what we considered the 'main line' (Legends, Deluxes, Voyagers, Leaders)... until M Sipher decided to change everything, which resulted in the gigantic, confusing toy list. I say we keep Nevermore's changes, because it is clean, organised, logical and easy to read, and makes it easy to edit because you know which sub-section you're after, instead of editing one giant section. After all, out of all of us, who is the most logical and organised here? Nevermore, that's who. I don't even like him and I can say that. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Though everything seems more easy to find this way, I think the Screen Battles releases should be next to each other. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::That's one of the very few things I haven't figured out yet - same thing about packs that contain two different Bumblebee toys (Evolution of a Hero, Ultimate with Titanium), which would theoretically require double entries.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::At the ''very'' least, I disagree with splitting up Robot Heroes, Cyber Slammers, FABs, Replicas, and the like into one-item subsections. I don't like having a billion subsections for such minimal content each. It's one thing for a franchise to have a subsection, it's another for what boils down to a size class with only one thing in it. And I '''strongly''' disagree with the notion that all movie character pages should be like this; the ''majority'' of movie characters just flat-out don't have enough stuff to remotely justify this kind of splitting. Bumblebee is an anomaly. ''Prime'' doesn't even have this much stuff, let alone Jazz or Ironhide or even Megatron. sPlitting them up into a bunch of subsections would be ridiculous.
:::::Frankly, I ''do'' prefer the straight linear listing. I think it gives a better impression of how the releases progressed through the series. And I'd just as soon drop the mile-long parentheticals to boot.--[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think I'd be grudgingly okay with big subsection splitting {{m-}}''for Bumblebee only''{{m-}} if we split his toys into their own article, like we have for G1 Prime and some others whose pages have gotten overly huge. Bee's article is certainly goddamn huge enough to split off the toy/merch section into its own page. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::My problem with a chronological list is that with ten different toys being released within the span of three months, there's nothing much gained from pointing out which toy was spotted in stores three days before the other one. On the other hand, six different deco variants for Bumblebee being spread across the entire page, with FABs, Cyber Slammers, Ultimate BB and Legends scattered in between makes it a lot more confusing. Likewise, for Jazz, there are three distinct variants of the Legends toy alone, plus three or four versions of the Deluxe toy, plus FAB, Cyber Slammer and whatnot. Generally, having all versions of a mold being listed in release order makes it waaaay more easy to navigate, and easier for the "average", non-you-and-me visitor to understand which toy is a redeco of which than having a note saying "Premium Bumblebee is a redeco of Deluxe Bumblebee version 2", and then having to scroll up to look for that toy. And how many versions of a toy justify a different sub-section for you, anyways?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 18:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::While I don't have much opinion either way on this, I will throw in that it looks very, very odd to have the Legends class toy as the first entry on the list. Given the way most Transformer characters evolve, it makes it looks like that was his main toy incarnation, and everything else a later evolution (even though the Movie toys are an exception to the usual rules.) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Well, what do you think the "main" Movie Prime toy is? Voyager or Leader? The difference between the movie line and older lines (especially G1) is that there's a bunch of different toys for the same character in different size classes and gimmick-based sub-lines released around the same time, rather than ONE toy being released, then a new toy not until several months (or years, even) later. I started with the smallest size, then moved on to the next largest size class, and so on. Putting one toy as the "main" toy would not only be pretty subjective, but also screw things up more. Again, Leader or Voyager Prime? Deluxe '77 Bumblebee or Deluxe '09 Bumblebee? Do we sort the list by "importance" of the toy? So Deluxe '09 - Deluxe '77 - Ultimate - Legends? or what? Again, highly subjective. Starting with size classes ("Legends Class", "Deluxe Class", "Voyager Class", "Leader Class" and Ultimate Bumblebee), sorted by ascending price point, and then having what Hasbro officially calls "Fast Transforming Fun" follow is not.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:03, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Bumblebee's gigantic mass of merchanidse is a very rare EXCEPTION even among the movie characters, and making broad, over-arching rules out of exceptions is ridiculous. When G1 Prime's toys got split off into its own page, we didn't do it for every other toy-character page because that would have been pointless. Jazz's much, ''much'' smaller handful of toys is not remotely confusing without splitting everything up by sizeclass/pricepoint unless you're easily confused by, say, ''rain'', and this holds true for pretty much the entire movie character set. And there ''does not have to be a rigid, exactly-calculated demarcation amount''. We don't have them for a lot of other things on this wiki, like subgroup categories. You make the exception for Bumblebee's toy-page, you ''note'' the exception to the stanards and the reasons why on the actual page, then you do ''not'' do it for everyone else who ''don't'' need the separate toy-page because there is ''no need to''. What is the point in separating the lone Robot Replica or Cyber Slammer of a character with maybe a dozen releases (if you include multi-packs of toys unchanged from individual release) into a subsection but to pad out the TOC? If we split the Legends out, why aren't we doing it for cybertron and Classics characters? Because there's no point. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:Okay, then about Prime. Listing toys in release order gives us the following anomalies: 1) Robo-Vision Prime being listed before regular Voyager Prime, but called a "redeco" of the toy that was released later. I would call this confusing, especially in a where-the-hell-do-I-find-this way for incidential visitors. 2) UK/Japan Nightwatch Prime and US Nightwatch Prime being listed several screens apart, rather than back to back. Again, I really see no reason WHY release order should take priority over size classes/molds. I could do with different sub-sections, but having all variations/repackages of a mold listed back to back IS more useful than having them all over the place. The only actual argument I see from your position is "too many sub-sections", but that doesn't even remotely touch the question why "release order" should be soooo superior.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::The Robo-Vision is easy. You just say "An exclusive redeco that was ultimately released before the mainline toy was as part of a special arrangement with Target". I mean, that's what it ''was''. A simple, one-sentence explanation. Exclusive "predecos" happen in other Hasbro lines. And why are you listing the non-US Nightwatch Prime releases separately, exactly? Is there ANYTHING about them that can't be handled with a second paragraph ("The UK/Japanese releases of this toy, which predated the US release by about a month, added a tumor to Prime's big toe and came with an AllSpark cube accessory") as part of the US Nightwatch Prime entry, as so many other slight international variants listed on ''every other page'' are? (In fact, the normal retail Japanese 70's Bee shouldn't really be separated from the US one.) And we do release order because ''that's how it is on the wiki, on the hundreds of applicable pages''. That's what 99.9% of the time works out best. ''Once again'', making broad rules out of rare exceptions is a ''bad idea''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, UK/Japan Nightwatch Prime appears to be a separate product as per Hasbro. It comes in different packaging, even the UK version comes in US-style packaging, with a different product code number, so this is just as much an "official variant" as minor-redeco Jazz from the Legends two-pack, or Premium Jazz vs. regular Jazz. And quite frankly, "This is how we do things here" is not an argument about which is ''better'', it's ''dodging the issue at hand'' by simply insisting on established conventions regardless of circumstances. Basically, what sets the movie toyline as a whole apart from previous toylines is that it contains an unusually large number of same-character redecos of the same toys within the same toyline. There are four or five versions of the Deluxe Jazz mold, all of which are distinct products with distinct bios and distinct packaging, same for Barricade, then there's four or five variants of the Voyager Prime mold, three or four versions of the Voyager, and so on. For the UT toys, there were maybe three different size classes altogether per character per series, each of which got a maximum of three redecos, so listing them by series is enough. In the movie line, on the other hand, you get a much larger number of size classes, each with their own set of repaints, so there's definitely a noticeable difference there.
:::Also, last I checked, you weren't an admin here. I see two people with sysop or admin powers confirming that my system works better (with only a few minor criticisms), plus several other users sharing my view. Unless you can find more people (and admins) backing up your position, I'd say your personal opinion loses to majority rule.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 22:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::"Different packaging" of the same toy? Good god, you've just described ''virtually every TF sold outside the US since the line began'', never mind ''domestic'' packaging changes. Are we going to split every one of those on the wiki into separate bullet-pointed releases too? That's ''thousands'' of items, and frankly ridiculous to the point of just flat-out fucking stupid. UK/Japanese Nightwatch Prime ''should not'' be listed separately, no more than the 90's Classics Throttlebots should be listed separately from the 86 releases, or ''Super Robot Lfieform'' Lambor from Sideswipe, etc. If there's some CostCo new-box Nightwatch Priem and Stealth bumblebee, then yes, you list ''that'', but not "Nightwatch Prime sold by himself in Strongbadian packaging". And you keep ignoring the part of "that's how it's done here" that says "'''because that's what works best 99.9% of the time'''". I strongly disagree with the contention that the whole movie cast needs these big sweeping changes to their pages' organization, even with the same-toy multipacks. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I just want to add that Siph's system is essentially 100% unusable as a reference for heavily-merchandised movie characters. What sane person is going to find a list of over a score of toys released in the same year sorted by date of first retail sighting useful? It makes you go through every single entry on the page if you just want to know what decoes of the '09 body Deluxe have been made. [[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

What part of "Bumblebee is the exception" and "rules out of exceptions = bad" do you continue to miss? The overhwleming majority of the movie bots are ''nowhere'' as heavily merchandised as Bumblebee by a long shot, about as much as the average UT A-lister. Extending an EXCEPTION to a bunch of entries that ''do not match the exception'' is pointless. I've already conceded that something different should be done for Bumblebee ''with the move to a toy page'', noting that I do not feel that every individual brand/pricepoint should be subsectioned. That ''does not mean'' every other movie characer page needs to follow suit. Why would you do this to, say, Scorponok or Blackout? Or Ratchet? They're not drowning in toys. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:10, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:Ratchet has a Legends toy with a running change variant (which would be okay as a footnote) and a redeco, a Voyager toy with two redecos, an FAB with a redeco and a Cyber Slammer. I could even do without the sub-section headers there, but keeping them sorted by size class/price point is much cleaner, easier to navigate and overall more logical than a depending-on-distribution-patterns-and-store-sightings-based release order. I wouldn't even mind resorting the UT characters' toys by size/price point, at least within the individual series sections, which wouldn't be much of a problem considering they only had a maximum of about five or six different toys per series in total. And you ''still'' fail to adress the question why "release order" is ''better'' than "by size/price point/base toy". Your arguments thus far have been: 1) "This is how we do things", 2) "There's not that many different toys for most characters", both of which are merely questioning the ''necessity'' of my system, but do not prove your system to be ''better'' in any way whatsoever.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 22:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

: "The overwhelming majority" really looks like a baseless assertion to me. Even ''Jazz'' has enough toys to make your system actively hostile as a reference tool, which was never a problem with the A-list UT characters. If you want to convince people, you should present statistics for this. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

== Differences between the movie and the comics ==

The second paragraph starts with
:''Badly damaged in a conflict with Megatron''
Now, in the movie Ratchet simply says "his vocal processors were damaged in battle, I'm still working on them". Since Megatron has been on Earth for several thousand years, I find it hard to believe that it takes Ratchet that long to fix Bumblebee's vocal processors. Considering Orci said that it was his intention to have Bumblebee's regained ability to speak at the end of the movie being an after-effect of Ratchet's healing beam he fired at Bumblebee around the middle of the movie, I find it extremely hard to believe that Ratchet has been working on Bumblebee's vocal processors for several thousand years, and then all it takes is a single healing beam and a few days later he can suddenly talk again. (I know Orci said the contact with the Allspark was also a valid expanation, but that wasn't what he had in mind originally)

So this raises the question whether we should treat the "Megatron damaged Bumblebee several thousand years ago" thing from the comic adaption as canon for the movie or not, as it requires a huge stretch of imagination.

In general, I wonder how this Wiki is approaching contradictions in different media, especially when one is considered to take priority over the other. (or do we consider the toy bios and the UK comics just as "important" as the movie itself?) Do we pretend the contradictions don't exist, try to reconcile them in the write-up and only mention them under "trivia", or do we give a rundown on the portrayal of characters and events sorted by different media, present the contradictions as they are and then comment on them and try to come up with a possible reconciliation in the trivia section?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 20:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

:I believe we just present contradictions as they are. Present just the facts and let the reader draw conclusions as they will. In cases like this, where the contradiction is the result of similar stories told by two different media, the different media generally get treated as seperate continuities. This particular contradiction seems so minor, though, and a little too rooted in an individual fan's beliefs. Perhaps Ratchet has done a lot of work off-screen, when he can in between missions. The beam could've been the final touch he hadn't yet had a chance to apply. See? Fan-spec. Fan-spec bad.--[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

::I think another question would be this: If a character is featured in different media that contradict each other in some ways, should details that are only officially "valid" for one set of media (i.e. Bumblebee having been muted by Megatron) be featured in the introduction, or should the introduction be limited to details ''confirmed valid for all the different media'' and have the only-in-certain-media information restricted to the sections that explicitly deal with the portrayal in those media? For example, the introductory section just says "Bumblebee was damaged in battle", and then the comic section says "hree it was Megatron that damaged him."?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 00:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

:::We try to make the introductions continuity-neutral. I would say that if the sole contradiction is from a very "minor" source -- like a single kids' storybook -- it's probably okay to neglect that and talk about the thing, whatever thing it is, in the intro. In this case -- movie versus UK movie comics -- I think it's better to reword the intro so it fits both. Comics are, to me, a pretty "important" source of fiction, not something to be brushed aside. But that is admittedly subjective. And of course this all assumes that the fact in the intro is worth including in the first place. In this case, I would say it is. But sometimes the offending tidbit could just be removed from the intro entirely. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 17:55, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia addition ==

From [[User:Fallenronin|Fallenronin]]: 
"It could be that the doc didn't have enough time/resources, what with all the war & inter-stellar space travel, to fully perfect the healing plasma early enough. And even if he did, Bee took off for the Cube after only a marginal amount of repairs were performed on him after his encounter with Megs, so a vile of even faster-acting plasma could be sitting in Ratchet's lab back on ol' Cybertron... if the 'Cons didn't trash it of course. They did."

Aside from the split infinitive and misspelling of "vial" (and the idea that plasma could be kept in a vial like some liquid), would this be excessive speculation, or is it okay for the Trivia section to include? I was debating whether to correct it or outright remove it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

== Sector Seven in Second Life? ==

Does anyone know where I can find this, or if it's been taken down? I'm an avid Second Lifer and Transformers fan, and would spaz out if I could see this. [[User:Ferryn|Ferryn]] 23:38, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

===Transforming versions===

Removed that bit cos it said "some sellers" and that sounds like non-official fan-creations. Tell me if I'm wrong. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:30, 28 August 2010 (EDT)

== Mistakes on page (could somebody change this, please?) ==

In the description of the "towed to safety pack", I quote the following:

"Unusually, the pictures on the front of the box show the robot-mode toys instead of an artist's depiction of their faces—a rarity for this toy line."

In fact, the face artwork is mainly on the US toys, whereas the EU editions usually have photos. And since this was a UK exclusive, that's why there's a pic instead of artwork!

And here's another one, under the Fast Action Battler heading:

"As such, his hood does not collapse or deform into the multi-segmented piece seen in other toys."

The FAB front bumper splits into two halves that can each rotate downwards. Does that not class as 'deforming'? Like the Ultimate class, the chest is mis-transformed in the packaging and in the official photos, but it does split up, honest!

--[[Special:Contributions/84.71.205.110|84.71.205.110]] 21:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC) (Ryan Frost)

== Hoverball? ==

Is BB's Cybertronian mode a hoverball in Defiance #4? What is that thing? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:29, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

== Giant promotional Bumblebee ==

Hasbro took a giant (1:1, I think) replica Bumblebee in robot mode (and Camaro mode, for that matter) to Licensing Expo 2010 for people to be photographed with, and I got several nice-for-a-cellphone shots of him. And some crappier ones of him with the car. Should one of those go here, or with the toys, or with another article entirely...? --[[User:Wednesday|Wednesday]] 17:47, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
: It's probably the one that's been at BotCon a few times. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:50, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
: Was it [http://www.botcon.com/BotCon09/webfiles/DSC_1428.JPG.html this guy]? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:52, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
:: Yep, that's him. So probably not too useful then. (Heh; licensing guys get to stand directly between his legs. I wish I'd caught some of those.) --[[User:Wednesday|Wednesday]] 19:29, 20 June 2010 (EDT)

== Final Notes bullet point ==

''Bumblebee's robot mode & the vehicle mode doesn't match each other in the Dark of The Moon. his new Camaro SS mode in the Dark of the Moon doesn't spotted any thin line anymore on the racing strips, while the robot mode somehow make it as if that he still have some thin black line on the racing strips.''

... what? Between the awkward spelling and grammar, I'm not sure if this is even factually correct, assuming I even understand what IP 118.136.34.221 is trying to say there.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:24, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

He is saying the CG of the robot mode wasn't designed with the SSX Camaro in mind so changes from the new car model are absent in the robot mode. I suspect the robot model was reused from the previous film and was just a oversight.

== Dark of the Moon Bumblebee... ==

I noticed that the only picture of Bumblebee in the Dark of the Moon section doesn't show his redone abdomen area. I think a picture of it should be added. --[[User:Diamondmatter|Diamondmatter]] 13:51, 28 July 2011 (EDT)
:There'll be more pictures added when the movie's out on DVD. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:27, 28 July 2011 (EDT)

== Walkaround Character ==

[[Image:USH-Walkaround-Bumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|200px|]]
Universal Studios Hollywood has walkaround versions of Bumblebee and Optimus Prime. I'm sure they should be mentioned somewhere on the page, but I'm not sure where. --[[User:Pjdonnell|pjdonnell]] 21:39, 13 October 2012 (EDT)

== Movie fiction writeup ==

The writeup for the movies currently claims that Bumblebee was active on Earth during World War II, then left Earth, then returned later searching for the Allspark. I think this is conjecture trying to cram in elements from outside the movies themselves. The movies never give the impression that he leaves Earth only to return later.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 06:09, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

== Two Bumblebees? ==

Since the new film is clearly settled in a new continuity, should we move the new informations in a separate section or create a totally new page for this "new" Bumblebee? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:Same page, we would only make a new page if it's a new continuity family. There is also a discussion on how to tackle the Bee movie [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The Bumblebee Movie|here]]. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:25, 22 December 2018 (EST)
Ok thanks, probably it's like the G1 Marvel, Cartoon and IDW continuities{{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:Since the [https://heroichollywood.com/bumblebee-officially-transformers-reboot/?fbclid=IwAR3jYqYoiys4Z-HX3DMlA7Xz46SIbNeGdsC5u4f54yKlMkAMGGVKN8-Go6g Bumblebee movie is confirmed to be a reboot], we just have to wait for the adminstrators' approval. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 20:52, 16 February 2019 (EST)
::Just because it's a reboot doesn't mean it would go in a different continuity family. DreamWave and IDW were reboots of G1 but still go in that continuity family.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:04, 17 February 2019 (EST)

== Separate between Bayverse and Reboot? ==

Should we separate the 2007-2017 Bay Universe from the 2018+ Bumblebee reboot? I get that things are kinda complicated right now, but would it make sense to do it similar to how we did with the IDW 2005 and 2019 universes -- [[User:Waspscream|Waspscream]] ([[User talk:Waspscream|talk]]) 19:45, 16 January 2020 (EST)
: No, because we still don't know that it's a reboot. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:11, 16 January 2020 (EST)
:stoooooooooooooooooooooooooop --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:02, 17 January 2020 (EST)

== IDW problem ==

Ok, please be honest. If Bee went on Earth for the AllSpark in the IDW continuity, why has remained under the British government for 20 years?
And if the Order of the Witwiccan's main purpose is hiding every proof of Transformers race on Earth, why did they make arrangements with both S7 and MI6? [[User:Grievous Prime|--Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 10:07, 05 March 2020 (EDT)
:I'm not sure what you are asking here. It seems you may have a problem with how the fiction has been written. We have no control over that. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:02, 5 March 2020 (EST)

== can you update some info on how his original design in the bumblebee movie looked more like the 1st movies design? ==

In case you didn't know, originally his design looked like this. https://www.artstation.com/artwork/xzBk44 It's basically a tf-1 design but with more g1 style look. Can you mention this on this page? Thank you. Mikey. 03:00, 12 November 2020 (EST)

User talk:Michael dunlap.

2020-11-11T04:23:33Z

Michael dunlap.:

{{notachatroom}}
Okay, I'm sorry....

Talk:Bumblebee (film)

2020-11-11T04:00:00Z

Michael dunlap.:

[[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers#Bumblebee|NOT CALLING IT A REBOOT]]. WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MOVIE.
==Lawsuit?==
So Hasbro just filed a Lawsuit with DC Comics for the Bumblebee Name. [http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/bumblebee-trademark-transformers-dc-comics-warner-bros-1202541577/] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 04:45, 30 August 2017 (EDT)
:Ah no wait, it's over. DC & Hasbro are cool. [http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/08/17/the-battle-of-the-bumblebees-is-over-hasbro-and-dc-comics-settle-bumblebee-trademark-dispute-370180] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 19:22, 11 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream==
Should Starscream be in the cast list here, when we've not actually had any official announcement/confirmation that the character in the trailer is him? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:58, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
:Nope. --[[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 01:11, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::Aw, come on! Its quite obviously supposed to be starscream, the head design is a slightly more g1-ifies version of michael bay starscream. The colors of the jet (what can be seen of it) are starscream colors, red air intakes, white nose area, and even a orange cockpit. It is highly unlikely this starscream homage isnt him, its clearly a more g1-ified version of michael bay starscream. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:13, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:::It's not uncommon for [[Blackout (Movie)|movie]] [[Grindor (ROTF)|characters]] to [[Crankcase (DOTM)|not]] [[Berserker|be]] who you think they are. Until Starscream is officially confirmed, we gotta play it safe. [[User:Ikkad|Ikkad]] ([[User talk:Ikkad|talk]]) 14:14, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::: Only one [[Barricade (Movie)|decepticon]] has been confirmed for the movie. Starscream has not been confirmed yet. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 19:34, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Get rekt, it’s confirmed as screamer now! [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 08:24, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
:The rudeness is hardly necessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:51, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, I meant it in a friendlier manner. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:53, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

The reason they had to make an official announcement was because you people kept speculating that it wasn't Starscream when it blattantly was. It's a soft reboot. He doesn't have to turn into a Dorito F-22 to be the same character. This has been common knowledge for months.[[User:Leo1452|King Kid]] ([[User talk:Leo1452|talk]]) 12:03, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
:Well I for one have always enjoyed crow when topped with a little (Whataburger) ketchup. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:55, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

This just in: That Scream is now Blitzwing. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:48, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:...that just in literally a month ago hence my last comment above. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 20:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

== /* Timeline and Continuity */ ==
This movie is a reboot because if not they should find the way to explain how Bumblebee fought in the WW2, because this movie is supposedly to be the first time Bumblebee came to Earth--[[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:29, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Can somebody edit in the fact that this is now officially a reboot since Hasbro has now officially confirmed it? [[User:DrXshock|DrXshock]] ([[User talk:DrXshock|talk]]) 17:51, 17 February 2019 (EST) 22:50, 17 February 2019 (GMT)
==toyline?==
Is there a toyline? I know the movie has a while to release, but we knew about titans return about a year before release. Why do t we know about this toyline?
[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

There might be. I have seen pictures showing a prototype of a volkswagen beetle Bumblebee ( redeco from TLK new bumblebee ) [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:29, 10 June 2018 (EDT

:The toyline will be absorbed into ''Studio Series.'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
==Is this really a reboot?==
I have heard that the reboot is cancelled, but the past events in the movies just don't match up.
Bumblebee went to earth with Hot Rod and fought in world war 2 (ww2) there. Instead the movie shows bumblebee's first time on earth.
So is this a start to the reboot or just a confusing event in the Bayformers Movies? [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
:Dude, it really doesn't matter right now, the movie isn't out yet. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

==bumblebee design==
Is it me, or does bumblebee kinda look like the cancelled alternators g1 bumblebee? If anyone else picks up on this, should we put it in the (currently nonexistent) trivia area that his design is possibly an homage to said toy? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:55, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

==female Decepticon==
A youtuber, AndySupreme99, claims that he saw the trailer at Cinemacon. He says that there is a female Decepticon. Have any of you seen the trailer he mentioned?
:We obviously know now that this was referring to Shatter, but for the record, we need a better source than "This YouTuber says..." next time. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:19, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

==new characters confirmed==
The director has confirmed that Cliffjumper, Soundwave and Shockwave will be on Cybertron. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 06:53, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:Source? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:47, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
::When I googled, I found a bunch of excited fan videos pointing back to a wordpress blog which mentioned Travis Knight in terms of his appearance at San Diego Comic Con, and then launched into a bunch of other details that were not obviously sourced to anything Knight said. I don't think we should be inclined to add them based on that. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

::Now we all know that it is true because of the second trailer, but we should get an official source first next time instead of info from a fan made video. [[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:38, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

== Can we not add pages for background randos who may or may not be characters? ==
Have people already forgotten when everyone though Blitzwing was actually Starscream? We shouldn't be saying Acid Storm is in the film, when there's the possibility that the green dude might well turn out to be a completely new character. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:38, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
:Sorry, I should've probably just waited or not do it at all instead of telling people to delete if they didn't like it. But I didn't think it would be taken to this extent where pages were being made. Once again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:09, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
::The first rule of wikis is that if there is a red link, *somebody* is gonna fill it. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 01:29, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream Part 2==
This fits better here than on Bltizwing's article's talk page, where I'd posted it first:

''We're swiftly disabused of that notion thanks to a barrage of familiar faces including Decepticon premiereship players Shockwave, Starscream and Blitzwing, all in their original, first generation forms.''

This is obviously an incorrect take on the trailer, as Blitzwing is assuredly not there in his "original, first generation form." We therefore can't take the article's identification of Starscream as definitive, especially given that this isn't the first time we've seen a Starscream-looking dude in a trailer, and he turned out named something else. Note that Starscream is not mentioned in any of the article's direct quotes of Travis Knight. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:I understand what you mean, but in the background of the Shockwave shot, we see a bot that looks different than Blitzwing, and has more similarities to Starscream. We can especially tell because the international trailer shows us Blitzwing's body. If this ends being Blitzwing ''too'' (for some reason) than sure. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::We cannot positively ID that guy as Starscream at this point, certainly not based on a sentence that contains at least one clear error. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:37, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Blitzwing being in his Generation One style form can just be the error, and that's it. And besides, if Starscream wasnt in the actual movie, wouldn't you think they would've scrubbed his name by now? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:49, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::A version of G1 Blitzwing does not appear in the trailer, and that mistaken impression by the author has not been corrected. That mistake renders the sentence unreliable. The author thinks that one Seeker on Cybertron is Starscream, and maybe it is, but we've been down the "this Seeker-looking dude is clearly Starscream" road once already, and we know how that turned out. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:58, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::One incorrect part of a sentence doesn't cancel out the whole sentence. It is true that Shockwave and other characters appear in their G1 style bodies. Let's get at a compromise. If the movie comes out and that Seeker in the background isn't Starscream, then, we remove it. But for now we keep it so we can remember. Dealio? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::No. What? No. When the movie comes out this'll all be moot. We're talking about what our articles are presenting to readers right now as confirmed facts about an upcoming release. And actually, yes, that one error does make the whole sentence unreliable, as it auggests that it's just the author's impression of the trailer and not info from an actual production source. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 19:13, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, let's just delete the Starscream stuff for now and see what happens. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:04, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Fine. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:17, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
Welp, looks like the new, short featurette made this guy look EVEN more like Starscream. By the way, I have "Starscream" hidden along with the other background bots; if the movie comes out, and it turns out this isn't Blitzwing or anyone else, then we can probably un-hide him, along with everyone else. Guess we'll find out soon! [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:48, 5 December 2018 (EST)

== Mr. Bee caption ==
I really don't care for it, but the context of that caption is that it's from the Bee Movie during the trial scene with Barry Vs. The Human Race. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:03, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:I know what it's from, I just think it's gross.
:Also Sipher removed it once already, and he's an admin, so. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 11:15, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
::Yeah, I totally agree. Just figured I might add some context. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:07, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:::Good news, its been taken care of in the form of the famous "You like Jazz?" [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 18:29, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

== Officialy Confirmed Characters ==
Recently characters like Arcee,Cliffjumper, Ratchet and Starscream were confirmed in an official featurette. Should we add them?[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:17, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:I feel like at this point we can afford to wait three weeks for the film to actually come out before adding tons of characters to the cast list. We've previously had shots of characters in trailers/preview material which have not been in the finished film. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:28, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::Besides, just because someone looks like a character doesn't mean they actually are. Remember "Starscream"? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:30, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::If the "featurette" is the video linked here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFv6JVFApk Bumblebee - First Generation Design - Paramount Pictures UK], there is nothing in that video that confirms those characters. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:46, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::::Seems to be referencing this TFW2005 article about that featurette http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/11/27/transformers-bumblebee-designing-g1-featurette-jointhebuzz-377449 Which includes some blurry screenshots with background characters circled. Which is not confirmation of who these characters are, especially since you can barely see them. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:57, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::::'''EDIT:''' Yeah, that. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 27 November 2018 (EST)

==The novel==
Warning: Spoilers!

The movie novel confirms that there is one more human character named Sheriff Lock who chases Bee and the humans in a tunnel before Bee damages his cop car by jumping on the hood. We should add him because this is from an official source.[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 11:00, 29 November 2018 (EST)
: Characters in novelizations don't always show up in the movie itself. There's no rush; we can wait a few weeks. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:02, 29 November 2018 (EST)

== The Hoover Dam in the Trailer. ==
This may be useless information, but it could also be of some interest to some.
I was born in Las Vegas and have lived here for most of my life.....I was born in the 70's BTW.
Anyways as a kid (and even now) I loved going to the Hoover Dam, so I know a bit about it's appearance throughout the years and decades.
So the movie takes place in 1988 right?
If that is the case the way the Dam looked in the trailer (I believe it was in the second trailer) is not correct for the time period.
The parking structure and new visitors center that can be seen on the west (Nevada) side the Dam in the trailer was built (added) in the mid 90's.
I did try to find some sample pics from the 80's online, but could not find any that were stamped for that time period. But I do have two post cards from my personal collection that I did get around that time, that shows how the Hoover Dam would appear in 1988. (I can send pics of them if need be).
So like I said this is not really important info about the movie, but I thought it should at least be said and addressed, you know for the whole "real world" "continuity" section or something. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 04:55, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I would suggest waiting until after the film is released before adding any real-world comparisons like that, so as to make sure it accurately reflects the final version. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:11, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I agree and that does makes sense, because they may change it, or perhaps the scene takes place at some other time period in the film, when I do see the movie I will let you know if it still is an issue. [[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 01:35, 5 December 2018 (EST)
:I just wanted to give a follow up to this subject that I began in the first place. I finally saw the movie, which was awesome BTW, and it seems that the shot of the Dam that was used in the trailer was NOT used in the final film, and the shot that was seemed to be done in such a way to not show any of those structures that I mentioned as being built after the 80's. So I have to say they (the director and editor) did a pretty decent job. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 03:04, 4 January 2019 (EST)

==thundercracker==
I’m not sure if it’s just a generic or not, but there’s a seeker colored suspiciously like thundercracker. Does anyone else think it’s thundercracker or is it just me? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 16:35, 14 December 2018 (EST)
:Dude, just wait a WEEK and you can find out for sure. Geez, what is this obsession people have with playing "wow, that blur in the background looks kind of like random character number 382. If I squint."?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:24, 14 December 2018 (EST)

==Open editing please?==
When will regular users be able to edit this? The movie's already out... [[User:Autoboty|Autoboty]] ([[User talk:Autoboty|talk]]) 05:18, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:"expires 21:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)". It's only 6:30 am on the East Coast. Not many have had a chance to see it yet... - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 06:26, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:For Christ's sake, would it kill people to just wait a few days and then add information? This does not need to be immediately added; in fact, it's better that it's not, because it gives you time to write up a concise summary. Just...chill. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:01, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:The article is unlocked now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:03, 21 December 2018 (EST)

== New universe ==
Since the new film is clearly settled in a new continuity, should we move the new informations of the characters in a separate section in their own pages or create totally new pages ? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:Same page, we would only make a new page if it's a new continuity family. There is also a discussion on how to tackle the Bee movie [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The Bumblebee Movie|here]]. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:26, 22 December 2018 (EST)

== Caption theme for this film? ==
So what is it this time around? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 00:33, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:It has been Bee Movie so far, don’t know if it’s going to change [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 00:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Bee Movie. There can be only one. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:01, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::''Hey, I've never seen the Bee Movie. I had no clue!'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:::I hear it made a real buzz at the box office! - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:04, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::::I will kill you. --[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:05, 28 January 2019 (EST)

== Sector Seven's "first contact" ==
The Sector Seven unit seen in the film calls the entire Bumblebee/Blitzwing fight, and later the meeting with Shatter and Dropkick as "first contact", which seems to imply that this is the first time that Sector Seven has seen Cybertronians. But as we know, at that point in time, Megatron and the Allspark are very clearly in possession of S7. Currently, this is stated to be a continuity error... But is there a chance that the Unit involved under Burns doesn't know of the entire story behind Megatron? Remember, in TF1, Banachek, said that the entire footage acquired from Transformers was deemed "beyond Top Secret." Using real-life Top Secrecy protocols, it isn't hard to imagine that even S7 wouldn't tell their field teams what was going on in their secret base, either A. because they simply don't have to know, or B. in case of interrogation, the soldiers can't tell anything useful.

The same can be said of allowing Shatter and Dropkick inside Hoover Dam: the field team could know the HQ, but wouldn't know the entirety of the story. And of course, the files that Shatter/Dropkick search through could be doctored, with some sensitive information removed or placed behind bars, allowing access but keeping some of the files a secrecy. Traces of Cybertronian-originated tech inside the files could simply be replaced with the cover-up stories S7 has used before, possibly even to the field teams.

Just a theory based on real-life protocols, and some careful speculation.

[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 07:34, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Given they cut a scene they filmed showing frozen ('''G1''') Megatron, they may or may not have Megs and the Allspark in the *Bumblebee* continuity. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:05, 27 December 2018 (EST)

:Admittedly it's been a while since I watched the 2007 film, but Megs was (a) found frozen (and offline?) and (b) kept frozen (and offline?), right? So they can still have him in the freezer and consider this first contact, because it was the first ''actual'' contact, with the words and the talking. Like many things with continuity between these movies, I think it can work if you squint. A lot. --[[User:Guntrip|Guntrip]] ([[User talk:Guntrip|talk]]) 05:54, 28 December 2018 (EST)
::If I were Sector 7, I would not consider Megatron's body to be first contact. And as Travis Knight made clear in interviews, Megatron does not cameo in this film because he is meant to be frozen at the Hoover Dam when the film is set. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 12:39, 28 December 2018 (EST)

== Bumblebee's potential design change ==
Wasn't 100% sure if this was noteworthy enough to add, so I figured I'd bring it up here first. The more complex toys, namely the Studio Series and Masterpiece figures, depict Bumblebee as having the traditional "car wings"- this is an element that is present in some promotional material as well, specifically with [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/92/ed/6e92edad8057c2a68dee54513fd80a59.jpg Entenmann's products showing Bee with his "wings"], leading me to believe it was a minor design change late into the game and not the result of general kibble. In the final film, as far as I can recall, his doors are just folded onto his back to give him a cleaner look. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:37, 4 January 2019 (EST)

== Cliffjumper's cameo ==
So I could just start a revert war, because 'NO' isn't a real persuasive argument, but I'll do this instead, 'cause I think I got a solid case.

In the last 20+ years of Transformers lore, Cliffjumper is famous for one thing and one thing only: showing up as a named, headlining character in a flagship TV show, only to be captured, interrogated and brutally murdered within minutes of his debut. This is ''by far'' the most distinctive and memorable thing the mythos-arc character of Cliffjumper has done. You gotta go back 35 years to him calling people traitor to find something similarly definitive.

Now for the movie scene on whatever moon it was, the writers could have chosen ''literally any character''. They coulda put Huffer or Gears or Cosmos or Windcharger or Blurr or Outback or a generic or ''anybody'' in that scene, but no. When they needed a character to be captured, interrogated, act defiant and get shockingly killed, they went to the one character whose ''defining trait'' is that he was ''captured, interrogated, acted defiant and got shockingly killed''.

If that seems like a reach, the bigger reach is saying that they just landed on that character ''totally by coincidence''; that out of 18 '84 Autobots and dozens of subsequent ones available, they just. so. happened. to pick that one, ''without'' being aware of his recent history. I don't buy that.

Now if we've heard from the scriptwriters or whoever added that character in there that, whoa, hey, wow, we had no idea that was a thing!, then that's different; but y'all gotta show me the money. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 12:46, 7 January 2019 (EST)
: Conversely, the interrogation scenes are different enough (Prime Cliffjumper gets his spark crushed, BB Cliffjumper is bisected) that I'd need to see it from the the scriptwriters that it was intentional. And being honest, I'm willing to be the reason why Cliffjumper was chosen to die was because he's about 95% the same model as Bumblebee's Cybertronian form, and thus was easy to do instead of some other all new guy.

: All in all, sometimes a similar scene is just a similar scene. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:42, 7 January 2019 (EST)

::I also call bull on the notion that Cliffjumper's "defining trait" is "get shockingly killed". On top of that, it further strains credibility of the claim to have just this one singular non-G1 non-movie reference out of aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the past-TF references in the movie, especially when, as noted, it involves a recycled model for a scene that would almost certainly predate the reshoots and added Cybertron footage. In a movie where they actually re-create specific shots from the old animation, you'd think they'd have done that there too if they were actually making the reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:04, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:Rob, they used Cliffjumper because Cliffjumper can use the same Cybertronian body that they already modeled for Bumblebee. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 14:16, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:: Fair enough, outvoted etc.
:: Not sure this comment works as an explanation, though. Of course they reskinned a model where it was an option, but they coulda reskinned anybody. They coulda killed off Bluestreak or Smokescreen or Outback or an obscurity or a generic. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 18:11, 8 January 2019 (EST)
::: The expanded Cybertronian scenes were a later addition, and so Bumblebee's Cybertronian mode was likely available much sooner. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:34, 8 January 2019 (EST)

Even if the authors didn't intend it, it still happened. We're the ones who spot the similarities and I'm on board with noting it on the page, though using phrases like "...is similar to..." as opposed to "...is inspired by...". Same thing goes with "homage," which assumes deliberate planning. Two things can resemble each other either on purpose or by accident, it's still fair to point out the resemblence. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:54, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:That's always been something we've ''actively'' avoided doing. We even have a template for it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:06, 7 January 2019 (EST)
::And I quote...
{{Notareference}}
::-- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:24, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:::Yeah, we are not filling up our references sections with things that we merely find similar. That's not what the references section is for. That's why we have the template. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:27, 7 January 2019 (EST)

==Seekers==
It says dirge is in the film, the only conehead you see clearly (and even has a pic on this site) is green. Also, the purple seeker on Cybertron resembles slipstream in colors more than it does Skywarp. Hell, it probably isn’t even either character, just a generic. I think we should remove the seekers names from the characters list besides starscream, as the others aren’t named. While starscream isn’t named in the film, the shots on Cybertron resemble his g1 self and he is the closest standing to shockwave in the scene with the green cone head. Starscream, Soundwave, and shockwave are all Megatrons generals, so it would make sense for them to be together with Megatron being gone. As far as I’m aware, starscream is the only seeker that can be safely associated with an established character. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 09:14, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Scroll down to Notes section. There's a reference to an EW article saying all the G1 characters in the opening Cybertron scene. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)
::I'm not sure how reliable that source is in this case. They can't spell Chris Latta. They state that the instructions for the coneheads were changed, when they were not. Various paragraphs mix the old toys and the new movies in confusing ways. And the quotation used to support Dirge's presence does not actually include his name, that is added by the author of the article and could be either saying that the specific conehead Dirge is in the movie or simply giving an example of a conehead from past fiction without saying what the names of any coneheads in the movie are (or even if they are named). Honestly, the writer needs to return not just the paycheck they received for that article, but also any and all diplomas, degrees, and certifications of education that they may have received. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:48, 10 January 2019 (EST)

So we can remove them from the list except starscream? He is thus far the only one who has enough to be inferred who he is. Just because he is named doesn’t mean it’s not him, shockwave goes unnamed in the film. See my first post if you are unaware of my reasoning. Sincerely [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 15:29, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Shockwave is named in the credits, by the way. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:23, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Thrust are explicitly named in the ILM visual development page (https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece/). Thus, I'd assume that there has been confirmation on their identities. [[User:Ed|Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed|talk]]) 02:31, 20 May 2019 (EDT)
:Dude, you're responding to a 4 month old thread. We are aware of the ILM source. We discussed it over a month ago in the section "Entertainment Weekly". But, given the fact that all of those mentioned there show up in MULTIPLE copies, the specific characters cannot be said to be in this film. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:10, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

== Shatter/Dropkick tracking Bumblebee error. ==
(First post here forgive me if I'm doing this wrong)

So I was reading the error section for this movie specifically how it claims that Shatter and Dropkick were tasked with tracking down B-127, while they do that after they detect his signal while interrogating Cliffjumper I didn't see anything in the film that indicated that they were hunting down Bumblebee specifically before that moment, since they were trying to find Prime it seems more likely that the two Decepticons were just tracking down and interrogating any Autobot they could for Prime's location and so happen to be near Bee while they were interrogating Cliffjumper, although this is just a theory perhaps they were tracking down Autobots this exact way with finding one and detecting signals of other Autobots and repeat the procedure until they find Cliff, again this part is just a theory but regardless nothing in the film indicates that the two Decepticons were looking for Bumblebee specifically prior to the Autobot beaming his signal.

The Blitzwing part however is fine and correct since it isn't explained how he was already there, either he was already on Earth (I mean he is a Seeker and maybe Seekers seek other worlds which is what they did in ROTF although they are presumably separate from the more classic versions in this movie) or he took off after Bumblebee's pod immediately after they launched whether specifically looking for Bee or was chasing his pod by chance. Although those are theories and not fact. --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 7:30, 12 January 2019 (EST)
:Yeah, I don't think the error as listed is correct. Shatter and Dropkick are hunting for Optimus, they happen to be interrogating Cliffjumper when they detect Bumblebee's signal and they go to find Bumblebee on the hunch he'll be more willing to talk. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:05, 23 January 2019 (EST)

== Just an idea ==
I don't know if there is a way we could do this but could we take a poll on whether people like the Bumblebee designs or the original movieverse designs better? Please don't hate me for this. I'm new here.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:09, 28 January 2019 (EST)
:TFWiki isn't the place for "social" stuff, that would be better suited for a Transformers discussion forum. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:54, 28 January 2019 (EST)

==Bumblebee's Place in Continuity==
It seems Hasbro referred to Bumblebee as [https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/02/16/transformers-brand-info-from-new-york-toy-fair-2019-fan-media-panel-hasbrotoyfair-383106 "a new storytelling universe" at the ToyFair panel over the weekend]. Now admittedly this statement is rather vague, but the general idea seems to imply the film is now a reboot, not a prequel to the Michael Bay franchise. I'm aware of the mass discussions in regards to the film's continuity prior to release, and I don't mean to dredge up old arguments, but I think this statement is atleast worth discussing. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:17, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:I don't see any point in discussing this until after the next movie.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:48, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:Christ, can people tamp down their continuity deckchair-shuffling boners for like three consecutive seconds. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 17 February 2019 (EST)
::I guess you can say it's ''pretty hard?'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:43, 17 February 2019 (EST)
: Is [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/travis-knight-talks-edits-continuity-and-turning-people-into-goo-in-new-interview/43204/ this good enough]? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:42, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

==Bumblebee Universal Designation==
Since the Bumblebee movie has been confirmed to be a reboot, and was obviously a new timeline in the first place, I propose we call the BB movie universe: Tyran 018.21 Delta. --[[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] 15:03, 15 March 2019 (EST)
:We've already discussed this, including right above your post. The statement they made was too vague to actually pull anything definitive from, so we're not making any calls about whether the movie is a prequel or reboot (and therefore requires a new designation) until we know what the next movie is. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::Also the movie is blatantly made to work either way (with allowances for how shoddy inter-film continuity is for the whole enterprise). If new movies do their own thing, that doesn't actually change how they approached and made this movie. And we're not using TT stream designations for anything anyway. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:32, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
:::That too. Unless something gets mentioned in future TransTech fiction (assuming there even is any), you probably won't see any new universal streams added to the wiki going forward. (Note that we don't have one for Cyberverse either.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:38, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::::I don't see how it is vague. It was clearly confirmed to be a reboot. --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:36, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::No, it wasn't. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Aside from any of that, [[Sector 7 Adventures: The Battle at Half Dome]] is tied to this movie and the previous ones. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:43, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

==Battletrap homage==
There's a note that states that Dropkick is an homage to Battletrap's appearance in "Cybertron's Most Wanted." Is there any evidence to back this up (say Travis Knight saying so like how he said Shatter is based on Nightbird), or is it just speculative? Because I don't remember hearing Mr. Knight saying anything about Dropkick's design. [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 10:57, 23 March 2019 (EDT)

== Entertainment Weekly ==
"An Entertainment Weekly article confirms some of the background characters in the scene set on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].<ref>[https://ew.com/movies/2018/12/22/bumblebee-spoilers-classic-transformers-opening-battle/2/ EW article on the Cybertron scene]</ref> "
Given all the errors in that article, I am tempted to just remove this from the page. How can we claim that it confirms anything when it gets so much wrong about the past? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:30, 24 March 2019 (EDT)
:I've pulled the note and removed the Seekers (other than Starscream) from the list. Find a source that is competent before re-adding. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:49, 27 March 2019 (EDT)
::[https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece From the horse's mouth.] Slide 28 concretely identifies them as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:49, 2 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Okay, that I can accept as a reliable source. The EW article I wouldn't even take as evidence for how to spell Entertainment Weekly, it was THAT bad.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:38, 4 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I wanna say that while obviously those Seeker colors were inspired by a few of the named Seekers over the years including being labeled as such in the concept art, I doubt those Seekers in the opening were those characters themselves only because the colors are reused for multiple Seekers, for example there are multiple "Thundercrackers" including the one Optimus pummels and the one Bumblebee knocks out of the way in vehicle mode before he knocks over and kills one of the many "Skywarps" in the scene, although it's possible any of these Seekers are indeed Skywarp,Thundercracker,Thrust,etc I'm not sure if that was the intent at the end, The colors I saw while watching a 4k version of the scene just today were besides the Thundercracker,Skywarp,Thrust ones there were the ROTF Dirge looking ones as well as an orange kind of Sunstorm Seeker that Bumblebee kicks a Skywarp head at and shortly before hand a mostly red Seeker in the background during the part where Bee knocks over two Seekers and finally there is a couple Seekers that uses Blitzwing's color scheme one of such is one of the Seekers that Prime shoots in the flashback and another is one of the many Seekers charging Prime at the end of the scene, funnily enough that one was right beside Shatter and Dropkick so that one might very well be Blitzwing himself but probably a coincidence, This fan made scale chart by Red Goblin (He's a very talented guy, I actually think he has some access or other to ILM renders, either that or he's really good at piecing together renders) while not an official source (probably) is a good film accurate showing of what colors were in the film. https://i.postimg.cc/2kRxjk5B/bumblebeeccons.png --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 5:46, 4 April 2019 (EST)

==pics==
I get why all the pics are of the bot scenes...but shouldn't Charlie be in a few? Swapping the final image for example from one at the bridge to Prime and Bee seems to run counter to the fact that she's the the primary protagonist. {{unsigned|Eire}}
:I agree. At the moment the selection of screencaps is giving a completely inaccurate impression of the film. We have more screeencaps featuring Soundwave than we do of Charlie (and the one that does is just the back of her head). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

== Digital comic ==
Question: the recent comic (Sector 7 adventures: the battle at half dome) released with the dvd has many elements that connect Bumblebee movie with the 2007 Transformers movie (like Banachek, Simmons's S7 t-shirt, Soundwave looking for the AllSpark, Megatron frozen etc...); so can we add those informations in this page? [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:That information would be better suited to a Battle at Half Dome page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:04, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::Yes, I know I know, but what I was saying is that (for example) in the section "continuity notes" there is written that the S7 doesn't know the Cybertronians and there is also written a supposition that project Iceman is so secret that only a small portion of employees knows about it. I asked if there could be done a link saying these theory is supported by the comic. [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:::Probably not. I guarantee you the scriptwriters were not thinking about any comic adaptations when the movie was being written; in its own self-contained context, there is no explanation. Besides, if there's anything we've learned from the Bumblebee Prequel, it's that the events of a comic tie-in can't be treated as lining up precisely with, or having any influence on, movie canon. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:23, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Ok thanks. {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:::::Just one last question: if what you're saying is true, why in Bumblebee's notes (character, not movie I mean) about his arrival on earth is made mention to the IDW comics? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
::::::Character articles cover all of a character's appearances in all works of fiction, even when they're incompatible with one another. Hence why the "IDW Comics" section is placed separately on the page from the "Movies" section. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:51, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
:::::::OK Thanks

== Escape Pods/Protoform ==
Does anyone else notice the Escape pods resemble the protoform reentry modes of the Michael Bay Movies? Would it be alright if I made a note of that in the Trivia section of the Protoform' page? Or is only having minor resemblance not conclusive evidence enough to make a note of it in the trivia section of that Protoform' page?

== The movie is no longer a prequel, it's a reboot ==

When the movie finally came out, it was declared to be a reboot officially. Shouldn't the page be altered to reflect that? Here is at least one source: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/streaming-june-2020-netflix-disney-plus-hulu-hbo-max/ --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:Please read the ''Bumblebee'' section on this page: [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers]]. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:45, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::Also, Bumblebee isn't even mentioned on that page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:12, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Transformers isn't mentioned on that page, either. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::::I assume they meant to link to [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/bumblebee-official-transformers-reboot-hasbro/ this], which is simply re-reporting the "new storytelling universe" quote which is already covered on the page Escargon linked to. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::And, even if it were completely out of continuity with the previous films, I can't see it as being separate enough to warrant splitting pages. It would still seem to fall in the same continuity family and would be covered on the pre-existing movie-verse pages just as the many separate G1 universes are covered on the same pages (barring splits for length). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:07, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

== honestly, the bumblebee movie is the best live action transformers movie ==

Yes, even if it has alot of continuity errors with the 5 films before, I honestly don't care, it's still awesome.

Also, I'm very sorry for how I acted in the last discussion, please don't hate me.. Mikey. 23:00, 10 November 2020 (EST)

Talk:Bumblebee (film)

2020-11-11T03:45:58Z

Michael dunlap.: /* so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? */

Talk:Bumblebee (film)

2020-11-11T03:18:20Z

Michael dunlap.: /* so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? */

[[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers#Bumblebee|NOT CALLING IT A REBOOT]]. WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MOVIE.
==Lawsuit?==
So Hasbro just filed a Lawsuit with DC Comics for the Bumblebee Name. [http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/bumblebee-trademark-transformers-dc-comics-warner-bros-1202541577/] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 04:45, 30 August 2017 (EDT)
:Ah no wait, it's over. DC & Hasbro are cool. [http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/08/17/the-battle-of-the-bumblebees-is-over-hasbro-and-dc-comics-settle-bumblebee-trademark-dispute-370180] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 19:22, 11 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream==
Should Starscream be in the cast list here, when we've not actually had any official announcement/confirmation that the character in the trailer is him? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:58, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
:Nope. --[[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 01:11, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::Aw, come on! Its quite obviously supposed to be starscream, the head design is a slightly more g1-ifies version of michael bay starscream. The colors of the jet (what can be seen of it) are starscream colors, red air intakes, white nose area, and even a orange cockpit. It is highly unlikely this starscream homage isnt him, its clearly a more g1-ified version of michael bay starscream. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:13, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:::It's not uncommon for [[Blackout (Movie)|movie]] [[Grindor (ROTF)|characters]] to [[Crankcase (DOTM)|not]] [[Berserker|be]] who you think they are. Until Starscream is officially confirmed, we gotta play it safe. [[User:Ikkad|Ikkad]] ([[User talk:Ikkad|talk]]) 14:14, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::: Only one [[Barricade (Movie)|decepticon]] has been confirmed for the movie. Starscream has not been confirmed yet. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 19:34, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Get rekt, it’s confirmed as screamer now! [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 08:24, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
:The rudeness is hardly necessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:51, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, I meant it in a friendlier manner. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:53, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

The reason they had to make an official announcement was because you people kept speculating that it wasn't Starscream when it blattantly was. It's a soft reboot. He doesn't have to turn into a Dorito F-22 to be the same character. This has been common knowledge for months.[[User:Leo1452|King Kid]] ([[User talk:Leo1452|talk]]) 12:03, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
:Well I for one have always enjoyed crow when topped with a little (Whataburger) ketchup. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:55, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

This just in: That Scream is now Blitzwing. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:48, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:...that just in literally a month ago hence my last comment above. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 20:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

== /* Timeline and Continuity */ ==
This movie is a reboot because if not they should find the way to explain how Bumblebee fought in the WW2, because this movie is supposedly to be the first time Bumblebee came to Earth--[[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:29, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Can somebody edit in the fact that this is now officially a reboot since Hasbro has now officially confirmed it? [[User:DrXshock|DrXshock]] ([[User talk:DrXshock|talk]]) 17:51, 17 February 2019 (EST) 22:50, 17 February 2019 (GMT)
==toyline?==
Is there a toyline? I know the movie has a while to release, but we knew about titans return about a year before release. Why do t we know about this toyline?
[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

There might be. I have seen pictures showing a prototype of a volkswagen beetle Bumblebee ( redeco from TLK new bumblebee ) [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:29, 10 June 2018 (EDT

:The toyline will be absorbed into ''Studio Series.'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
==Is this really a reboot?==
I have heard that the reboot is cancelled, but the past events in the movies just don't match up.
Bumblebee went to earth with Hot Rod and fought in world war 2 (ww2) there. Instead the movie shows bumblebee's first time on earth.
So is this a start to the reboot or just a confusing event in the Bayformers Movies? [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
:Dude, it really doesn't matter right now, the movie isn't out yet. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

==bumblebee design==
Is it me, or does bumblebee kinda look like the cancelled alternators g1 bumblebee? If anyone else picks up on this, should we put it in the (currently nonexistent) trivia area that his design is possibly an homage to said toy? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:55, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

==female Decepticon==
A youtuber, AndySupreme99, claims that he saw the trailer at Cinemacon. He says that there is a female Decepticon. Have any of you seen the trailer he mentioned?
:We obviously know now that this was referring to Shatter, but for the record, we need a better source than "This YouTuber says..." next time. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:19, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

==new characters confirmed==
The director has confirmed that Cliffjumper, Soundwave and Shockwave will be on Cybertron. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 06:53, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:Source? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:47, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
::When I googled, I found a bunch of excited fan videos pointing back to a wordpress blog which mentioned Travis Knight in terms of his appearance at San Diego Comic Con, and then launched into a bunch of other details that were not obviously sourced to anything Knight said. I don't think we should be inclined to add them based on that. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

::Now we all know that it is true because of the second trailer, but we should get an official source first next time instead of info from a fan made video. [[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:38, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

== Can we not add pages for background randos who may or may not be characters? ==
Have people already forgotten when everyone though Blitzwing was actually Starscream? We shouldn't be saying Acid Storm is in the film, when there's the possibility that the green dude might well turn out to be a completely new character. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:38, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
:Sorry, I should've probably just waited or not do it at all instead of telling people to delete if they didn't like it. But I didn't think it would be taken to this extent where pages were being made. Once again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:09, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
::The first rule of wikis is that if there is a red link, *somebody* is gonna fill it. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 01:29, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream Part 2==
This fits better here than on Bltizwing's article's talk page, where I'd posted it first:

''We're swiftly disabused of that notion thanks to a barrage of familiar faces including Decepticon premiereship players Shockwave, Starscream and Blitzwing, all in their original, first generation forms.''

This is obviously an incorrect take on the trailer, as Blitzwing is assuredly not there in his "original, first generation form." We therefore can't take the article's identification of Starscream as definitive, especially given that this isn't the first time we've seen a Starscream-looking dude in a trailer, and he turned out named something else. Note that Starscream is not mentioned in any of the article's direct quotes of Travis Knight. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:I understand what you mean, but in the background of the Shockwave shot, we see a bot that looks different than Blitzwing, and has more similarities to Starscream. We can especially tell because the international trailer shows us Blitzwing's body. If this ends being Blitzwing ''too'' (for some reason) than sure. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::We cannot positively ID that guy as Starscream at this point, certainly not based on a sentence that contains at least one clear error. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:37, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Blitzwing being in his Generation One style form can just be the error, and that's it. And besides, if Starscream wasnt in the actual movie, wouldn't you think they would've scrubbed his name by now? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:49, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::A version of G1 Blitzwing does not appear in the trailer, and that mistaken impression by the author has not been corrected. That mistake renders the sentence unreliable. The author thinks that one Seeker on Cybertron is Starscream, and maybe it is, but we've been down the "this Seeker-looking dude is clearly Starscream" road once already, and we know how that turned out. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:58, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::One incorrect part of a sentence doesn't cancel out the whole sentence. It is true that Shockwave and other characters appear in their G1 style bodies. Let's get at a compromise. If the movie comes out and that Seeker in the background isn't Starscream, then, we remove it. But for now we keep it so we can remember. Dealio? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::No. What? No. When the movie comes out this'll all be moot. We're talking about what our articles are presenting to readers right now as confirmed facts about an upcoming release. And actually, yes, that one error does make the whole sentence unreliable, as it auggests that it's just the author's impression of the trailer and not info from an actual production source. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 19:13, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, let's just delete the Starscream stuff for now and see what happens. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:04, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Fine. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:17, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
Welp, looks like the new, short featurette made this guy look EVEN more like Starscream. By the way, I have "Starscream" hidden along with the other background bots; if the movie comes out, and it turns out this isn't Blitzwing or anyone else, then we can probably un-hide him, along with everyone else. Guess we'll find out soon! [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:48, 5 December 2018 (EST)

== Mr. Bee caption ==
I really don't care for it, but the context of that caption is that it's from the Bee Movie during the trial scene with Barry Vs. The Human Race. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:03, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:I know what it's from, I just think it's gross.
:Also Sipher removed it once already, and he's an admin, so. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 11:15, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
::Yeah, I totally agree. Just figured I might add some context. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:07, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:::Good news, its been taken care of in the form of the famous "You like Jazz?" [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 18:29, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

== Officialy Confirmed Characters ==
Recently characters like Arcee,Cliffjumper, Ratchet and Starscream were confirmed in an official featurette. Should we add them?[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:17, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:I feel like at this point we can afford to wait three weeks for the film to actually come out before adding tons of characters to the cast list. We've previously had shots of characters in trailers/preview material which have not been in the finished film. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:28, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::Besides, just because someone looks like a character doesn't mean they actually are. Remember "Starscream"? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:30, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::If the "featurette" is the video linked here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFv6JVFApk Bumblebee - First Generation Design - Paramount Pictures UK], there is nothing in that video that confirms those characters. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:46, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::::Seems to be referencing this TFW2005 article about that featurette http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/11/27/transformers-bumblebee-designing-g1-featurette-jointhebuzz-377449 Which includes some blurry screenshots with background characters circled. Which is not confirmation of who these characters are, especially since you can barely see them. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:57, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::::'''EDIT:''' Yeah, that. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 27 November 2018 (EST)

==The novel==
Warning: Spoilers!

The movie novel confirms that there is one more human character named Sheriff Lock who chases Bee and the humans in a tunnel before Bee damages his cop car by jumping on the hood. We should add him because this is from an official source.[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 11:00, 29 November 2018 (EST)
: Characters in novelizations don't always show up in the movie itself. There's no rush; we can wait a few weeks. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:02, 29 November 2018 (EST)

== The Hoover Dam in the Trailer. ==
This may be useless information, but it could also be of some interest to some.
I was born in Las Vegas and have lived here for most of my life.....I was born in the 70's BTW.
Anyways as a kid (and even now) I loved going to the Hoover Dam, so I know a bit about it's appearance throughout the years and decades.
So the movie takes place in 1988 right?
If that is the case the way the Dam looked in the trailer (I believe it was in the second trailer) is not correct for the time period.
The parking structure and new visitors center that can be seen on the west (Nevada) side the Dam in the trailer was built (added) in the mid 90's.
I did try to find some sample pics from the 80's online, but could not find any that were stamped for that time period. But I do have two post cards from my personal collection that I did get around that time, that shows how the Hoover Dam would appear in 1988. (I can send pics of them if need be).
So like I said this is not really important info about the movie, but I thought it should at least be said and addressed, you know for the whole "real world" "continuity" section or something. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 04:55, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I would suggest waiting until after the film is released before adding any real-world comparisons like that, so as to make sure it accurately reflects the final version. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:11, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I agree and that does makes sense, because they may change it, or perhaps the scene takes place at some other time period in the film, when I do see the movie I will let you know if it still is an issue. [[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 01:35, 5 December 2018 (EST)
:I just wanted to give a follow up to this subject that I began in the first place. I finally saw the movie, which was awesome BTW, and it seems that the shot of the Dam that was used in the trailer was NOT used in the final film, and the shot that was seemed to be done in such a way to not show any of those structures that I mentioned as being built after the 80's. So I have to say they (the director and editor) did a pretty decent job. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 03:04, 4 January 2019 (EST)

==thundercracker==
I’m not sure if it’s just a generic or not, but there’s a seeker colored suspiciously like thundercracker. Does anyone else think it’s thundercracker or is it just me? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 16:35, 14 December 2018 (EST)
:Dude, just wait a WEEK and you can find out for sure. Geez, what is this obsession people have with playing "wow, that blur in the background looks kind of like random character number 382. If I squint."?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:24, 14 December 2018 (EST)

==Open editing please?==
When will regular users be able to edit this? The movie's already out... [[User:Autoboty|Autoboty]] ([[User talk:Autoboty|talk]]) 05:18, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:"expires 21:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)". It's only 6:30 am on the East Coast. Not many have had a chance to see it yet... - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 06:26, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:For Christ's sake, would it kill people to just wait a few days and then add information? This does not need to be immediately added; in fact, it's better that it's not, because it gives you time to write up a concise summary. Just...chill. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:01, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:The article is unlocked now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:03, 21 December 2018 (EST)

== New universe ==
Since the new film is clearly settled in a new continuity, should we move the new informations of the characters in a separate section in their own pages or create totally new pages ? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:Same page, we would only make a new page if it's a new continuity family. There is also a discussion on how to tackle the Bee movie [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The Bumblebee Movie|here]]. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:26, 22 December 2018 (EST)

== Caption theme for this film? ==
So what is it this time around? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 00:33, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:It has been Bee Movie so far, don’t know if it’s going to change [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 00:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Bee Movie. There can be only one. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:01, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::''Hey, I've never seen the Bee Movie. I had no clue!'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:::I hear it made a real buzz at the box office! - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:04, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::::I will kill you. --[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:05, 28 January 2019 (EST)

== Sector Seven's "first contact" ==
The Sector Seven unit seen in the film calls the entire Bumblebee/Blitzwing fight, and later the meeting with Shatter and Dropkick as "first contact", which seems to imply that this is the first time that Sector Seven has seen Cybertronians. But as we know, at that point in time, Megatron and the Allspark are very clearly in possession of S7. Currently, this is stated to be a continuity error... But is there a chance that the Unit involved under Burns doesn't know of the entire story behind Megatron? Remember, in TF1, Banachek, said that the entire footage acquired from Transformers was deemed "beyond Top Secret." Using real-life Top Secrecy protocols, it isn't hard to imagine that even S7 wouldn't tell their field teams what was going on in their secret base, either A. because they simply don't have to know, or B. in case of interrogation, the soldiers can't tell anything useful.

The same can be said of allowing Shatter and Dropkick inside Hoover Dam: the field team could know the HQ, but wouldn't know the entirety of the story. And of course, the files that Shatter/Dropkick search through could be doctored, with some sensitive information removed or placed behind bars, allowing access but keeping some of the files a secrecy. Traces of Cybertronian-originated tech inside the files could simply be replaced with the cover-up stories S7 has used before, possibly even to the field teams.

Just a theory based on real-life protocols, and some careful speculation.

[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 07:34, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Given they cut a scene they filmed showing frozen ('''G1''') Megatron, they may or may not have Megs and the Allspark in the *Bumblebee* continuity. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:05, 27 December 2018 (EST)

:Admittedly it's been a while since I watched the 2007 film, but Megs was (a) found frozen (and offline?) and (b) kept frozen (and offline?), right? So they can still have him in the freezer and consider this first contact, because it was the first ''actual'' contact, with the words and the talking. Like many things with continuity between these movies, I think it can work if you squint. A lot. --[[User:Guntrip|Guntrip]] ([[User talk:Guntrip|talk]]) 05:54, 28 December 2018 (EST)
::If I were Sector 7, I would not consider Megatron's body to be first contact. And as Travis Knight made clear in interviews, Megatron does not cameo in this film because he is meant to be frozen at the Hoover Dam when the film is set. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 12:39, 28 December 2018 (EST)

== Bumblebee's potential design change ==
Wasn't 100% sure if this was noteworthy enough to add, so I figured I'd bring it up here first. The more complex toys, namely the Studio Series and Masterpiece figures, depict Bumblebee as having the traditional "car wings"- this is an element that is present in some promotional material as well, specifically with [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/92/ed/6e92edad8057c2a68dee54513fd80a59.jpg Entenmann's products showing Bee with his "wings"], leading me to believe it was a minor design change late into the game and not the result of general kibble. In the final film, as far as I can recall, his doors are just folded onto his back to give him a cleaner look. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:37, 4 January 2019 (EST)

== Cliffjumper's cameo ==
So I could just start a revert war, because 'NO' isn't a real persuasive argument, but I'll do this instead, 'cause I think I got a solid case.

In the last 20+ years of Transformers lore, Cliffjumper is famous for one thing and one thing only: showing up as a named, headlining character in a flagship TV show, only to be captured, interrogated and brutally murdered within minutes of his debut. This is ''by far'' the most distinctive and memorable thing the mythos-arc character of Cliffjumper has done. You gotta go back 35 years to him calling people traitor to find something similarly definitive.

Now for the movie scene on whatever moon it was, the writers could have chosen ''literally any character''. They coulda put Huffer or Gears or Cosmos or Windcharger or Blurr or Outback or a generic or ''anybody'' in that scene, but no. When they needed a character to be captured, interrogated, act defiant and get shockingly killed, they went to the one character whose ''defining trait'' is that he was ''captured, interrogated, acted defiant and got shockingly killed''.

If that seems like a reach, the bigger reach is saying that they just landed on that character ''totally by coincidence''; that out of 18 '84 Autobots and dozens of subsequent ones available, they just. so. happened. to pick that one, ''without'' being aware of his recent history. I don't buy that.

Now if we've heard from the scriptwriters or whoever added that character in there that, whoa, hey, wow, we had no idea that was a thing!, then that's different; but y'all gotta show me the money. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 12:46, 7 January 2019 (EST)
: Conversely, the interrogation scenes are different enough (Prime Cliffjumper gets his spark crushed, BB Cliffjumper is bisected) that I'd need to see it from the the scriptwriters that it was intentional. And being honest, I'm willing to be the reason why Cliffjumper was chosen to die was because he's about 95% the same model as Bumblebee's Cybertronian form, and thus was easy to do instead of some other all new guy.

: All in all, sometimes a similar scene is just a similar scene. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:42, 7 January 2019 (EST)

::I also call bull on the notion that Cliffjumper's "defining trait" is "get shockingly killed". On top of that, it further strains credibility of the claim to have just this one singular non-G1 non-movie reference out of aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the past-TF references in the movie, especially when, as noted, it involves a recycled model for a scene that would almost certainly predate the reshoots and added Cybertron footage. In a movie where they actually re-create specific shots from the old animation, you'd think they'd have done that there too if they were actually making the reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:04, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:Rob, they used Cliffjumper because Cliffjumper can use the same Cybertronian body that they already modeled for Bumblebee. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 14:16, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:: Fair enough, outvoted etc.
:: Not sure this comment works as an explanation, though. Of course they reskinned a model where it was an option, but they coulda reskinned anybody. They coulda killed off Bluestreak or Smokescreen or Outback or an obscurity or a generic. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 18:11, 8 January 2019 (EST)
::: The expanded Cybertronian scenes were a later addition, and so Bumblebee's Cybertronian mode was likely available much sooner. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:34, 8 January 2019 (EST)

Even if the authors didn't intend it, it still happened. We're the ones who spot the similarities and I'm on board with noting it on the page, though using phrases like "...is similar to..." as opposed to "...is inspired by...". Same thing goes with "homage," which assumes deliberate planning. Two things can resemble each other either on purpose or by accident, it's still fair to point out the resemblence. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:54, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:That's always been something we've ''actively'' avoided doing. We even have a template for it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:06, 7 January 2019 (EST)
::And I quote...
{{Notareference}}
::-- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:24, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:::Yeah, we are not filling up our references sections with things that we merely find similar. That's not what the references section is for. That's why we have the template. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:27, 7 January 2019 (EST)

==Seekers==
It says dirge is in the film, the only conehead you see clearly (and even has a pic on this site) is green. Also, the purple seeker on Cybertron resembles slipstream in colors more than it does Skywarp. Hell, it probably isn’t even either character, just a generic. I think we should remove the seekers names from the characters list besides starscream, as the others aren’t named. While starscream isn’t named in the film, the shots on Cybertron resemble his g1 self and he is the closest standing to shockwave in the scene with the green cone head. Starscream, Soundwave, and shockwave are all Megatrons generals, so it would make sense for them to be together with Megatron being gone. As far as I’m aware, starscream is the only seeker that can be safely associated with an established character. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 09:14, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Scroll down to Notes section. There's a reference to an EW article saying all the G1 characters in the opening Cybertron scene. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)
::I'm not sure how reliable that source is in this case. They can't spell Chris Latta. They state that the instructions for the coneheads were changed, when they were not. Various paragraphs mix the old toys and the new movies in confusing ways. And the quotation used to support Dirge's presence does not actually include his name, that is added by the author of the article and could be either saying that the specific conehead Dirge is in the movie or simply giving an example of a conehead from past fiction without saying what the names of any coneheads in the movie are (or even if they are named). Honestly, the writer needs to return not just the paycheck they received for that article, but also any and all diplomas, degrees, and certifications of education that they may have received. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:48, 10 January 2019 (EST)

So we can remove them from the list except starscream? He is thus far the only one who has enough to be inferred who he is. Just because he is named doesn’t mean it’s not him, shockwave goes unnamed in the film. See my first post if you are unaware of my reasoning. Sincerely [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 15:29, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Shockwave is named in the credits, by the way. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:23, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Thrust are explicitly named in the ILM visual development page (https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece/). Thus, I'd assume that there has been confirmation on their identities. [[User:Ed|Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed|talk]]) 02:31, 20 May 2019 (EDT)
:Dude, you're responding to a 4 month old thread. We are aware of the ILM source. We discussed it over a month ago in the section "Entertainment Weekly". But, given the fact that all of those mentioned there show up in MULTIPLE copies, the specific characters cannot be said to be in this film. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:10, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

== Shatter/Dropkick tracking Bumblebee error. ==
(First post here forgive me if I'm doing this wrong)

So I was reading the error section for this movie specifically how it claims that Shatter and Dropkick were tasked with tracking down B-127, while they do that after they detect his signal while interrogating Cliffjumper I didn't see anything in the film that indicated that they were hunting down Bumblebee specifically before that moment, since they were trying to find Prime it seems more likely that the two Decepticons were just tracking down and interrogating any Autobot they could for Prime's location and so happen to be near Bee while they were interrogating Cliffjumper, although this is just a theory perhaps they were tracking down Autobots this exact way with finding one and detecting signals of other Autobots and repeat the procedure until they find Cliff, again this part is just a theory but regardless nothing in the film indicates that the two Decepticons were looking for Bumblebee specifically prior to the Autobot beaming his signal.

The Blitzwing part however is fine and correct since it isn't explained how he was already there, either he was already on Earth (I mean he is a Seeker and maybe Seekers seek other worlds which is what they did in ROTF although they are presumably separate from the more classic versions in this movie) or he took off after Bumblebee's pod immediately after they launched whether specifically looking for Bee or was chasing his pod by chance. Although those are theories and not fact. --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 7:30, 12 January 2019 (EST)
:Yeah, I don't think the error as listed is correct. Shatter and Dropkick are hunting for Optimus, they happen to be interrogating Cliffjumper when they detect Bumblebee's signal and they go to find Bumblebee on the hunch he'll be more willing to talk. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:05, 23 January 2019 (EST)

== Just an idea ==
I don't know if there is a way we could do this but could we take a poll on whether people like the Bumblebee designs or the original movieverse designs better? Please don't hate me for this. I'm new here.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:09, 28 January 2019 (EST)
:TFWiki isn't the place for "social" stuff, that would be better suited for a Transformers discussion forum. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:54, 28 January 2019 (EST)

==Bumblebee's Place in Continuity==
It seems Hasbro referred to Bumblebee as [https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/02/16/transformers-brand-info-from-new-york-toy-fair-2019-fan-media-panel-hasbrotoyfair-383106 "a new storytelling universe" at the ToyFair panel over the weekend]. Now admittedly this statement is rather vague, but the general idea seems to imply the film is now a reboot, not a prequel to the Michael Bay franchise. I'm aware of the mass discussions in regards to the film's continuity prior to release, and I don't mean to dredge up old arguments, but I think this statement is atleast worth discussing. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:17, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:I don't see any point in discussing this until after the next movie.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:48, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:Christ, can people tamp down their continuity deckchair-shuffling boners for like three consecutive seconds. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 17 February 2019 (EST)
::I guess you can say it's ''pretty hard?'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:43, 17 February 2019 (EST)
: Is [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/travis-knight-talks-edits-continuity-and-turning-people-into-goo-in-new-interview/43204/ this good enough]? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:42, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

==Bumblebee Universal Designation==
Since the Bumblebee movie has been confirmed to be a reboot, and was obviously a new timeline in the first place, I propose we call the BB movie universe: Tyran 018.21 Delta. --[[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] 15:03, 15 March 2019 (EST)
:We've already discussed this, including right above your post. The statement they made was too vague to actually pull anything definitive from, so we're not making any calls about whether the movie is a prequel or reboot (and therefore requires a new designation) until we know what the next movie is. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::Also the movie is blatantly made to work either way (with allowances for how shoddy inter-film continuity is for the whole enterprise). If new movies do their own thing, that doesn't actually change how they approached and made this movie. And we're not using TT stream designations for anything anyway. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:32, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
:::That too. Unless something gets mentioned in future TransTech fiction (assuming there even is any), you probably won't see any new universal streams added to the wiki going forward. (Note that we don't have one for Cyberverse either.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:38, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::::I don't see how it is vague. It was clearly confirmed to be a reboot. --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:36, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::No, it wasn't. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Aside from any of that, [[Sector 7 Adventures: The Battle at Half Dome]] is tied to this movie and the previous ones. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:43, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

==Battletrap homage==
There's a note that states that Dropkick is an homage to Battletrap's appearance in "Cybertron's Most Wanted." Is there any evidence to back this up (say Travis Knight saying so like how he said Shatter is based on Nightbird), or is it just speculative? Because I don't remember hearing Mr. Knight saying anything about Dropkick's design. [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 10:57, 23 March 2019 (EDT)

== Entertainment Weekly ==
"An Entertainment Weekly article confirms some of the background characters in the scene set on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].<ref>[https://ew.com/movies/2018/12/22/bumblebee-spoilers-classic-transformers-opening-battle/2/ EW article on the Cybertron scene]</ref> "
Given all the errors in that article, I am tempted to just remove this from the page. How can we claim that it confirms anything when it gets so much wrong about the past? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:30, 24 March 2019 (EDT)
:I've pulled the note and removed the Seekers (other than Starscream) from the list. Find a source that is competent before re-adding. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:49, 27 March 2019 (EDT)
::[https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece From the horse's mouth.] Slide 28 concretely identifies them as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:49, 2 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Okay, that I can accept as a reliable source. The EW article I wouldn't even take as evidence for how to spell Entertainment Weekly, it was THAT bad.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:38, 4 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I wanna say that while obviously those Seeker colors were inspired by a few of the named Seekers over the years including being labeled as such in the concept art, I doubt those Seekers in the opening were those characters themselves only because the colors are reused for multiple Seekers, for example there are multiple "Thundercrackers" including the one Optimus pummels and the one Bumblebee knocks out of the way in vehicle mode before he knocks over and kills one of the many "Skywarps" in the scene, although it's possible any of these Seekers are indeed Skywarp,Thundercracker,Thrust,etc I'm not sure if that was the intent at the end, The colors I saw while watching a 4k version of the scene just today were besides the Thundercracker,Skywarp,Thrust ones there were the ROTF Dirge looking ones as well as an orange kind of Sunstorm Seeker that Bumblebee kicks a Skywarp head at and shortly before hand a mostly red Seeker in the background during the part where Bee knocks over two Seekers and finally there is a couple Seekers that uses Blitzwing's color scheme one of such is one of the Seekers that Prime shoots in the flashback and another is one of the many Seekers charging Prime at the end of the scene, funnily enough that one was right beside Shatter and Dropkick so that one might very well be Blitzwing himself but probably a coincidence, This fan made scale chart by Red Goblin (He's a very talented guy, I actually think he has some access or other to ILM renders, either that or he's really good at piecing together renders) while not an official source (probably) is a good film accurate showing of what colors were in the film. https://i.postimg.cc/2kRxjk5B/bumblebeeccons.png --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 5:46, 4 April 2019 (EST)

==pics==
I get why all the pics are of the bot scenes...but shouldn't Charlie be in a few? Swapping the final image for example from one at the bridge to Prime and Bee seems to run counter to the fact that she's the the primary protagonist. {{unsigned|Eire}}
:I agree. At the moment the selection of screencaps is giving a completely inaccurate impression of the film. We have more screeencaps featuring Soundwave than we do of Charlie (and the one that does is just the back of her head). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

== Digital comic ==
Question: the recent comic (Sector 7 adventures: the battle at half dome) released with the dvd has many elements that connect Bumblebee movie with the 2007 Transformers movie (like Banachek, Simmons's S7 t-shirt, Soundwave looking for the AllSpark, Megatron frozen etc...); so can we add those informations in this page? [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:That information would be better suited to a Battle at Half Dome page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:04, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::Yes, I know I know, but what I was saying is that (for example) in the section "continuity notes" there is written that the S7 doesn't know the Cybertronians and there is also written a supposition that project Iceman is so secret that only a small portion of employees knows about it. I asked if there could be done a link saying these theory is supported by the comic. [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:::Probably not. I guarantee you the scriptwriters were not thinking about any comic adaptations when the movie was being written; in its own self-contained context, there is no explanation. Besides, if there's anything we've learned from the Bumblebee Prequel, it's that the events of a comic tie-in can't be treated as lining up precisely with, or having any influence on, movie canon. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:23, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Ok thanks. {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:::::Just one last question: if what you're saying is true, why in Bumblebee's notes (character, not movie I mean) about his arrival on earth is made mention to the IDW comics? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
::::::Character articles cover all of a character's appearances in all works of fiction, even when they're incompatible with one another. Hence why the "IDW Comics" section is placed separately on the page from the "Movies" section. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:51, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
:::::::OK Thanks

== Escape Pods/Protoform ==
Does anyone else notice the Escape pods resemble the protoform reentry modes of the Michael Bay Movies? Would it be alright if I made a note of that in the Trivia section of the Protoform' page? Or is only having minor resemblance not conclusive evidence enough to make a note of it in the trivia section of that Protoform' page?

== The movie is no longer a prequel, it's a reboot ==

When the movie finally came out, it was declared to be a reboot officially. Shouldn't the page be altered to reflect that? Here is at least one source: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/streaming-june-2020-netflix-disney-plus-hulu-hbo-max/ --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:Please read the ''Bumblebee'' section on this page: [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers]]. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:45, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::Also, Bumblebee isn't even mentioned on that page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:12, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Transformers isn't mentioned on that page, either. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::::I assume they meant to link to [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/bumblebee-official-transformers-reboot-hasbro/ this], which is simply re-reporting the "new storytelling universe" quote which is already covered on the page Escargon linked to. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::And, even if it were completely out of continuity with the previous films, I can't see it as being separate enough to warrant splitting pages. It would still seem to fall in the same continuity family and would be covered on the pre-existing movie-verse pages just as the many separate G1 universes are covered on the same pages (barring splits for length). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:07, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

== so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? ==

Like, in the 2007 movie prequel comic, he lost his voice to Megatron before chasing after the allspark. Why did Travis change it? Mikey. 17:32, 10 November 2020 (EST)Mikey. 17:03, 10 November 2020 (EST)
::The 2007 movie prequel comic is a part of the IDW Movie universe which in turn is a splinter timeline consisting only of the first 3 films. AOE, TLK and Bumblebee are not in anyway related to the IDW movie comics. Plus, we still need to wait and see if Bumblebee is even part of the same film continuity or whether it is an official reboot.

::Also, please sign your name using 4 of the ~ symbols, it automatically codes it with your user link and makes the timestamp accurate :) [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 17:18, 10 November 2020 (EST)
:::okay? But.. um... age of extinction and the last knight NEVER contradicted the comics, so they should still be canon to the main 5 movies timeline. Hell, age of extinction and the last knight DIDN'T mention that bumblebee losing his voice was a different cause, so why change it? I'm sorry, but to me, the comics are more connected then the bee movie. (Also, I'm new here, so I may have gotten this stuff wrong, sorry.) Mikey. 17:37, 10 November 2020 (EST) 17:37, 10 November 2020 (EST) 17:32, 10 November 2020 (EST)
::::AOE and TLK did both contradict the comics. AOE introduced the Creators as the ones who made the Transformers instead of the AllSpark and Primus as given by the legend presented in "[[Foundation issue 2]]". It also established Optimus as part of an ancient order of Knights predating the Transformer race, when ROTF and its tie-in comics established him as a descendant of the Dynasty of Primes, whose existence would have come after the aforementioned Knights. Optimus being part of an order older than the dynasty he was descended from would make him older than that very dynasty. TLK, meanwhile, placed Bumblebee on Earth as early as World War II, when "[[Movie Prequel issue 2]]" placed Bumblebee's first arrival on Earth in 2003. Granted, the Bumblebee movie conflicts with this too, but it remains to be seen if later movies will mend the link between Bumblebee and TLK, but the comics contradiction still remains either way. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:06, 10 November 2020 (EST)
:::::I was about to say that lol. I suggest reading the [[Movie timeline]] and [[Movie expanded universe timeline]] to help clear things up. Also, Lockdown was present as a captive of the Initiative, when AOE established him flying through space in the Knight Ship doing bounty huntery things. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 18:13, 10 November 2020 (EST)
:::::Well they NEVER contradicted the other comics stories (like reign of starscream, and the dark of the moon prequel comics.) And I do NOT remember age of extinction and the last knight ever mentioning that bumblebee losing his voice being a different explanation. Mikey. 20:01, 10 November 2020 (EST)
::::::Ok, so what's your ''point'' here? Why are you so upset with a movie contradicting a comic book when the very same movie also contradicts the ''other movies as well''? You don't seem to care that much about ''that'', strangely. Also, this was actually the third time Bumblebee has lost his voice in the movieverse, the other time being to [[Hardtop (Movie)|Hardtop]], so it's not even a ''new'' contradiction on the subject. And ''please'' don't suggest any change to the wiki's format that has already been ruled out for the past two years (like splitting all the characters' pages). Thank you. --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 21:02, 10 November 2020 (EST)
:::::::um, except I do care about the other continuity errors and plot holes that the bumblebee movie has, but that's not my point. My point is: MEGATRON DOING IT FEELS WAY MORE IMPACTFUL. Seriously, it feels way more impactful for Megatron doing it, since it probably gives bumblebee more of a reason to kill Megatron in the first place. Especially since blitzwing is just killed off shortly after it anyway, so what's the point?

:::::::Of course, I personally believe that the bumblebee movie was turned into a reboot post production so I don't mind it from a reboot perspective, but still, why not have Megatron doing? It feels way more impactful for Megatron doing it, instead of a random character like blitzwing doing it, especially since blitzwing dies shortly after that anyway, it's not my fault I prefer the Megatron explanation the comics created. Mikey. 22:18, 10 November 2020 (EST)
:Bumblebee's vocal issues were never explained in the original five films anyway other than Ratchet pointing out that they had been "damaged in battle." There was no indication that it was Megatron, Blitzwing, Sam or even Mojo responsible for it, it was clearly left open. Hell, the original three films didn't even reference any of the comics you had mentioned either. The comics are secondary media written by completely different writers who had no involvement in the films themselves and were merely attempting to find ways to retcon things and fill in some plotholes that the films created.

:So Travis Knight didn't retcon anything, he or the writers from the Paramount writers room collectively came up with this explanation for it themselves. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 21:52, 10 November 2020 (EST)

Talk:Bumblebee (film)

2020-11-11T01:01:38Z

Michael dunlap.: /* so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? */

[[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers#Bumblebee|NOT CALLING IT A REBOOT]]. WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MOVIE.
==Lawsuit?==
So Hasbro just filed a Lawsuit with DC Comics for the Bumblebee Name. [http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/bumblebee-trademark-transformers-dc-comics-warner-bros-1202541577/] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 04:45, 30 August 2017 (EDT)
:Ah no wait, it's over. DC & Hasbro are cool. [http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/08/17/the-battle-of-the-bumblebees-is-over-hasbro-and-dc-comics-settle-bumblebee-trademark-dispute-370180] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 19:22, 11 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream==
Should Starscream be in the cast list here, when we've not actually had any official announcement/confirmation that the character in the trailer is him? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:58, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
:Nope. --[[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 01:11, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::Aw, come on! Its quite obviously supposed to be starscream, the head design is a slightly more g1-ifies version of michael bay starscream. The colors of the jet (what can be seen of it) are starscream colors, red air intakes, white nose area, and even a orange cockpit. It is highly unlikely this starscream homage isnt him, its clearly a more g1-ified version of michael bay starscream. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:13, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:::It's not uncommon for [[Blackout (Movie)|movie]] [[Grindor (ROTF)|characters]] to [[Crankcase (DOTM)|not]] [[Berserker|be]] who you think they are. Until Starscream is officially confirmed, we gotta play it safe. [[User:Ikkad|Ikkad]] ([[User talk:Ikkad|talk]]) 14:14, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::: Only one [[Barricade (Movie)|decepticon]] has been confirmed for the movie. Starscream has not been confirmed yet. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 19:34, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Get rekt, it’s confirmed as screamer now! [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 08:24, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
:The rudeness is hardly necessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:51, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, I meant it in a friendlier manner. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:53, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

The reason they had to make an official announcement was because you people kept speculating that it wasn't Starscream when it blattantly was. It's a soft reboot. He doesn't have to turn into a Dorito F-22 to be the same character. This has been common knowledge for months.[[User:Leo1452|King Kid]] ([[User talk:Leo1452|talk]]) 12:03, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
:Well I for one have always enjoyed crow when topped with a little (Whataburger) ketchup. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:55, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

This just in: That Scream is now Blitzwing. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:48, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:...that just in literally a month ago hence my last comment above. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 20:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

== /* Timeline and Continuity */ ==
This movie is a reboot because if not they should find the way to explain how Bumblebee fought in the WW2, because this movie is supposedly to be the first time Bumblebee came to Earth--[[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:29, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Can somebody edit in the fact that this is now officially a reboot since Hasbro has now officially confirmed it? [[User:DrXshock|DrXshock]] ([[User talk:DrXshock|talk]]) 17:51, 17 February 2019 (EST) 22:50, 17 February 2019 (GMT)
==toyline?==
Is there a toyline? I know the movie has a while to release, but we knew about titans return about a year before release. Why do t we know about this toyline?
[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

There might be. I have seen pictures showing a prototype of a volkswagen beetle Bumblebee ( redeco from TLK new bumblebee ) [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:29, 10 June 2018 (EDT

:The toyline will be absorbed into ''Studio Series.'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
==Is this really a reboot?==
I have heard that the reboot is cancelled, but the past events in the movies just don't match up.
Bumblebee went to earth with Hot Rod and fought in world war 2 (ww2) there. Instead the movie shows bumblebee's first time on earth.
So is this a start to the reboot or just a confusing event in the Bayformers Movies? [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
:Dude, it really doesn't matter right now, the movie isn't out yet. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

==bumblebee design==
Is it me, or does bumblebee kinda look like the cancelled alternators g1 bumblebee? If anyone else picks up on this, should we put it in the (currently nonexistent) trivia area that his design is possibly an homage to said toy? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:55, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

==female Decepticon==
A youtuber, AndySupreme99, claims that he saw the trailer at Cinemacon. He says that there is a female Decepticon. Have any of you seen the trailer he mentioned?
:We obviously know now that this was referring to Shatter, but for the record, we need a better source than "This YouTuber says..." next time. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:19, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

==new characters confirmed==
The director has confirmed that Cliffjumper, Soundwave and Shockwave will be on Cybertron. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 06:53, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:Source? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:47, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
::When I googled, I found a bunch of excited fan videos pointing back to a wordpress blog which mentioned Travis Knight in terms of his appearance at San Diego Comic Con, and then launched into a bunch of other details that were not obviously sourced to anything Knight said. I don't think we should be inclined to add them based on that. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

::Now we all know that it is true because of the second trailer, but we should get an official source first next time instead of info from a fan made video. [[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:38, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

== Can we not add pages for background randos who may or may not be characters? ==
Have people already forgotten when everyone though Blitzwing was actually Starscream? We shouldn't be saying Acid Storm is in the film, when there's the possibility that the green dude might well turn out to be a completely new character. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:38, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
:Sorry, I should've probably just waited or not do it at all instead of telling people to delete if they didn't like it. But I didn't think it would be taken to this extent where pages were being made. Once again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:09, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
::The first rule of wikis is that if there is a red link, *somebody* is gonna fill it. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 01:29, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream Part 2==
This fits better here than on Bltizwing's article's talk page, where I'd posted it first:

''We're swiftly disabused of that notion thanks to a barrage of familiar faces including Decepticon premiereship players Shockwave, Starscream and Blitzwing, all in their original, first generation forms.''

This is obviously an incorrect take on the trailer, as Blitzwing is assuredly not there in his "original, first generation form." We therefore can't take the article's identification of Starscream as definitive, especially given that this isn't the first time we've seen a Starscream-looking dude in a trailer, and he turned out named something else. Note that Starscream is not mentioned in any of the article's direct quotes of Travis Knight. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:I understand what you mean, but in the background of the Shockwave shot, we see a bot that looks different than Blitzwing, and has more similarities to Starscream. We can especially tell because the international trailer shows us Blitzwing's body. If this ends being Blitzwing ''too'' (for some reason) than sure. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::We cannot positively ID that guy as Starscream at this point, certainly not based on a sentence that contains at least one clear error. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:37, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Blitzwing being in his Generation One style form can just be the error, and that's it. And besides, if Starscream wasnt in the actual movie, wouldn't you think they would've scrubbed his name by now? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:49, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::A version of G1 Blitzwing does not appear in the trailer, and that mistaken impression by the author has not been corrected. That mistake renders the sentence unreliable. The author thinks that one Seeker on Cybertron is Starscream, and maybe it is, but we've been down the "this Seeker-looking dude is clearly Starscream" road once already, and we know how that turned out. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:58, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::One incorrect part of a sentence doesn't cancel out the whole sentence. It is true that Shockwave and other characters appear in their G1 style bodies. Let's get at a compromise. If the movie comes out and that Seeker in the background isn't Starscream, then, we remove it. But for now we keep it so we can remember. Dealio? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::No. What? No. When the movie comes out this'll all be moot. We're talking about what our articles are presenting to readers right now as confirmed facts about an upcoming release. And actually, yes, that one error does make the whole sentence unreliable, as it auggests that it's just the author's impression of the trailer and not info from an actual production source. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 19:13, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, let's just delete the Starscream stuff for now and see what happens. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:04, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Fine. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:17, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
Welp, looks like the new, short featurette made this guy look EVEN more like Starscream. By the way, I have "Starscream" hidden along with the other background bots; if the movie comes out, and it turns out this isn't Blitzwing or anyone else, then we can probably un-hide him, along with everyone else. Guess we'll find out soon! [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:48, 5 December 2018 (EST)

== Mr. Bee caption ==
I really don't care for it, but the context of that caption is that it's from the Bee Movie during the trial scene with Barry Vs. The Human Race. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:03, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:I know what it's from, I just think it's gross.
:Also Sipher removed it once already, and he's an admin, so. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 11:15, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
::Yeah, I totally agree. Just figured I might add some context. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:07, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:::Good news, its been taken care of in the form of the famous "You like Jazz?" [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 18:29, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

== Officialy Confirmed Characters ==
Recently characters like Arcee,Cliffjumper, Ratchet and Starscream were confirmed in an official featurette. Should we add them?[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:17, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:I feel like at this point we can afford to wait three weeks for the film to actually come out before adding tons of characters to the cast list. We've previously had shots of characters in trailers/preview material which have not been in the finished film. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:28, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::Besides, just because someone looks like a character doesn't mean they actually are. Remember "Starscream"? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:30, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::If the "featurette" is the video linked here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFv6JVFApk Bumblebee - First Generation Design - Paramount Pictures UK], there is nothing in that video that confirms those characters. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:46, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::::Seems to be referencing this TFW2005 article about that featurette http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/11/27/transformers-bumblebee-designing-g1-featurette-jointhebuzz-377449 Which includes some blurry screenshots with background characters circled. Which is not confirmation of who these characters are, especially since you can barely see them. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:57, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::::'''EDIT:''' Yeah, that. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 27 November 2018 (EST)

==The novel==
Warning: Spoilers!

The movie novel confirms that there is one more human character named Sheriff Lock who chases Bee and the humans in a tunnel before Bee damages his cop car by jumping on the hood. We should add him because this is from an official source.[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 11:00, 29 November 2018 (EST)
: Characters in novelizations don't always show up in the movie itself. There's no rush; we can wait a few weeks. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:02, 29 November 2018 (EST)

== The Hoover Dam in the Trailer. ==
This may be useless information, but it could also be of some interest to some.
I was born in Las Vegas and have lived here for most of my life.....I was born in the 70's BTW.
Anyways as a kid (and even now) I loved going to the Hoover Dam, so I know a bit about it's appearance throughout the years and decades.
So the movie takes place in 1988 right?
If that is the case the way the Dam looked in the trailer (I believe it was in the second trailer) is not correct for the time period.
The parking structure and new visitors center that can be seen on the west (Nevada) side the Dam in the trailer was built (added) in the mid 90's.
I did try to find some sample pics from the 80's online, but could not find any that were stamped for that time period. But I do have two post cards from my personal collection that I did get around that time, that shows how the Hoover Dam would appear in 1988. (I can send pics of them if need be).
So like I said this is not really important info about the movie, but I thought it should at least be said and addressed, you know for the whole "real world" "continuity" section or something. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 04:55, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I would suggest waiting until after the film is released before adding any real-world comparisons like that, so as to make sure it accurately reflects the final version. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:11, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I agree and that does makes sense, because they may change it, or perhaps the scene takes place at some other time period in the film, when I do see the movie I will let you know if it still is an issue. [[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 01:35, 5 December 2018 (EST)
:I just wanted to give a follow up to this subject that I began in the first place. I finally saw the movie, which was awesome BTW, and it seems that the shot of the Dam that was used in the trailer was NOT used in the final film, and the shot that was seemed to be done in such a way to not show any of those structures that I mentioned as being built after the 80's. So I have to say they (the director and editor) did a pretty decent job. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 03:04, 4 January 2019 (EST)

==thundercracker==
I’m not sure if it’s just a generic or not, but there’s a seeker colored suspiciously like thundercracker. Does anyone else think it’s thundercracker or is it just me? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 16:35, 14 December 2018 (EST)
:Dude, just wait a WEEK and you can find out for sure. Geez, what is this obsession people have with playing "wow, that blur in the background looks kind of like random character number 382. If I squint."?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:24, 14 December 2018 (EST)

==Open editing please?==
When will regular users be able to edit this? The movie's already out... [[User:Autoboty|Autoboty]] ([[User talk:Autoboty|talk]]) 05:18, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:"expires 21:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)". It's only 6:30 am on the East Coast. Not many have had a chance to see it yet... - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 06:26, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:For Christ's sake, would it kill people to just wait a few days and then add information? This does not need to be immediately added; in fact, it's better that it's not, because it gives you time to write up a concise summary. Just...chill. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:01, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:The article is unlocked now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:03, 21 December 2018 (EST)

== New universe ==
Since the new film is clearly settled in a new continuity, should we move the new informations of the characters in a separate section in their own pages or create totally new pages ? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:Same page, we would only make a new page if it's a new continuity family. There is also a discussion on how to tackle the Bee movie [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The Bumblebee Movie|here]]. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:26, 22 December 2018 (EST)

== Caption theme for this film? ==
So what is it this time around? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 00:33, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:It has been Bee Movie so far, don’t know if it’s going to change [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 00:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Bee Movie. There can be only one. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:01, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::''Hey, I've never seen the Bee Movie. I had no clue!'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:::I hear it made a real buzz at the box office! - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:04, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::::I will kill you. --[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:05, 28 January 2019 (EST)

== Sector Seven's "first contact" ==
The Sector Seven unit seen in the film calls the entire Bumblebee/Blitzwing fight, and later the meeting with Shatter and Dropkick as "first contact", which seems to imply that this is the first time that Sector Seven has seen Cybertronians. But as we know, at that point in time, Megatron and the Allspark are very clearly in possession of S7. Currently, this is stated to be a continuity error... But is there a chance that the Unit involved under Burns doesn't know of the entire story behind Megatron? Remember, in TF1, Banachek, said that the entire footage acquired from Transformers was deemed "beyond Top Secret." Using real-life Top Secrecy protocols, it isn't hard to imagine that even S7 wouldn't tell their field teams what was going on in their secret base, either A. because they simply don't have to know, or B. in case of interrogation, the soldiers can't tell anything useful.

The same can be said of allowing Shatter and Dropkick inside Hoover Dam: the field team could know the HQ, but wouldn't know the entirety of the story. And of course, the files that Shatter/Dropkick search through could be doctored, with some sensitive information removed or placed behind bars, allowing access but keeping some of the files a secrecy. Traces of Cybertronian-originated tech inside the files could simply be replaced with the cover-up stories S7 has used before, possibly even to the field teams.

Just a theory based on real-life protocols, and some careful speculation.

[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 07:34, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Given they cut a scene they filmed showing frozen ('''G1''') Megatron, they may or may not have Megs and the Allspark in the *Bumblebee* continuity. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:05, 27 December 2018 (EST)

:Admittedly it's been a while since I watched the 2007 film, but Megs was (a) found frozen (and offline?) and (b) kept frozen (and offline?), right? So they can still have him in the freezer and consider this first contact, because it was the first ''actual'' contact, with the words and the talking. Like many things with continuity between these movies, I think it can work if you squint. A lot. --[[User:Guntrip|Guntrip]] ([[User talk:Guntrip|talk]]) 05:54, 28 December 2018 (EST)
::If I were Sector 7, I would not consider Megatron's body to be first contact. And as Travis Knight made clear in interviews, Megatron does not cameo in this film because he is meant to be frozen at the Hoover Dam when the film is set. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 12:39, 28 December 2018 (EST)

== Bumblebee's potential design change ==
Wasn't 100% sure if this was noteworthy enough to add, so I figured I'd bring it up here first. The more complex toys, namely the Studio Series and Masterpiece figures, depict Bumblebee as having the traditional "car wings"- this is an element that is present in some promotional material as well, specifically with [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/92/ed/6e92edad8057c2a68dee54513fd80a59.jpg Entenmann's products showing Bee with his "wings"], leading me to believe it was a minor design change late into the game and not the result of general kibble. In the final film, as far as I can recall, his doors are just folded onto his back to give him a cleaner look. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:37, 4 January 2019 (EST)

== Cliffjumper's cameo ==
So I could just start a revert war, because 'NO' isn't a real persuasive argument, but I'll do this instead, 'cause I think I got a solid case.

In the last 20+ years of Transformers lore, Cliffjumper is famous for one thing and one thing only: showing up as a named, headlining character in a flagship TV show, only to be captured, interrogated and brutally murdered within minutes of his debut. This is ''by far'' the most distinctive and memorable thing the mythos-arc character of Cliffjumper has done. You gotta go back 35 years to him calling people traitor to find something similarly definitive.

Now for the movie scene on whatever moon it was, the writers could have chosen ''literally any character''. They coulda put Huffer or Gears or Cosmos or Windcharger or Blurr or Outback or a generic or ''anybody'' in that scene, but no. When they needed a character to be captured, interrogated, act defiant and get shockingly killed, they went to the one character whose ''defining trait'' is that he was ''captured, interrogated, acted defiant and got shockingly killed''.

If that seems like a reach, the bigger reach is saying that they just landed on that character ''totally by coincidence''; that out of 18 '84 Autobots and dozens of subsequent ones available, they just. so. happened. to pick that one, ''without'' being aware of his recent history. I don't buy that.

Now if we've heard from the scriptwriters or whoever added that character in there that, whoa, hey, wow, we had no idea that was a thing!, then that's different; but y'all gotta show me the money. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 12:46, 7 January 2019 (EST)
: Conversely, the interrogation scenes are different enough (Prime Cliffjumper gets his spark crushed, BB Cliffjumper is bisected) that I'd need to see it from the the scriptwriters that it was intentional. And being honest, I'm willing to be the reason why Cliffjumper was chosen to die was because he's about 95% the same model as Bumblebee's Cybertronian form, and thus was easy to do instead of some other all new guy.

: All in all, sometimes a similar scene is just a similar scene. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:42, 7 January 2019 (EST)

::I also call bull on the notion that Cliffjumper's "defining trait" is "get shockingly killed". On top of that, it further strains credibility of the claim to have just this one singular non-G1 non-movie reference out of aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the past-TF references in the movie, especially when, as noted, it involves a recycled model for a scene that would almost certainly predate the reshoots and added Cybertron footage. In a movie where they actually re-create specific shots from the old animation, you'd think they'd have done that there too if they were actually making the reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:04, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:Rob, they used Cliffjumper because Cliffjumper can use the same Cybertronian body that they already modeled for Bumblebee. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 14:16, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:: Fair enough, outvoted etc.
:: Not sure this comment works as an explanation, though. Of course they reskinned a model where it was an option, but they coulda reskinned anybody. They coulda killed off Bluestreak or Smokescreen or Outback or an obscurity or a generic. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 18:11, 8 January 2019 (EST)
::: The expanded Cybertronian scenes were a later addition, and so Bumblebee's Cybertronian mode was likely available much sooner. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:34, 8 January 2019 (EST)

Even if the authors didn't intend it, it still happened. We're the ones who spot the similarities and I'm on board with noting it on the page, though using phrases like "...is similar to..." as opposed to "...is inspired by...". Same thing goes with "homage," which assumes deliberate planning. Two things can resemble each other either on purpose or by accident, it's still fair to point out the resemblence. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:54, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:That's always been something we've ''actively'' avoided doing. We even have a template for it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:06, 7 January 2019 (EST)
::And I quote...
{{Notareference}}
::-- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:24, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:::Yeah, we are not filling up our references sections with things that we merely find similar. That's not what the references section is for. That's why we have the template. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:27, 7 January 2019 (EST)

==Seekers==
It says dirge is in the film, the only conehead you see clearly (and even has a pic on this site) is green. Also, the purple seeker on Cybertron resembles slipstream in colors more than it does Skywarp. Hell, it probably isn’t even either character, just a generic. I think we should remove the seekers names from the characters list besides starscream, as the others aren’t named. While starscream isn’t named in the film, the shots on Cybertron resemble his g1 self and he is the closest standing to shockwave in the scene with the green cone head. Starscream, Soundwave, and shockwave are all Megatrons generals, so it would make sense for them to be together with Megatron being gone. As far as I’m aware, starscream is the only seeker that can be safely associated with an established character. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 09:14, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Scroll down to Notes section. There's a reference to an EW article saying all the G1 characters in the opening Cybertron scene. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)
::I'm not sure how reliable that source is in this case. They can't spell Chris Latta. They state that the instructions for the coneheads were changed, when they were not. Various paragraphs mix the old toys and the new movies in confusing ways. And the quotation used to support Dirge's presence does not actually include his name, that is added by the author of the article and could be either saying that the specific conehead Dirge is in the movie or simply giving an example of a conehead from past fiction without saying what the names of any coneheads in the movie are (or even if they are named). Honestly, the writer needs to return not just the paycheck they received for that article, but also any and all diplomas, degrees, and certifications of education that they may have received. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:48, 10 January 2019 (EST)

So we can remove them from the list except starscream? He is thus far the only one who has enough to be inferred who he is. Just because he is named doesn’t mean it’s not him, shockwave goes unnamed in the film. See my first post if you are unaware of my reasoning. Sincerely [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 15:29, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Shockwave is named in the credits, by the way. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:23, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Thrust are explicitly named in the ILM visual development page (https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece/). Thus, I'd assume that there has been confirmation on their identities. [[User:Ed|Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed|talk]]) 02:31, 20 May 2019 (EDT)
:Dude, you're responding to a 4 month old thread. We are aware of the ILM source. We discussed it over a month ago in the section "Entertainment Weekly". But, given the fact that all of those mentioned there show up in MULTIPLE copies, the specific characters cannot be said to be in this film. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:10, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

== Shatter/Dropkick tracking Bumblebee error. ==
(First post here forgive me if I'm doing this wrong)

So I was reading the error section for this movie specifically how it claims that Shatter and Dropkick were tasked with tracking down B-127, while they do that after they detect his signal while interrogating Cliffjumper I didn't see anything in the film that indicated that they were hunting down Bumblebee specifically before that moment, since they were trying to find Prime it seems more likely that the two Decepticons were just tracking down and interrogating any Autobot they could for Prime's location and so happen to be near Bee while they were interrogating Cliffjumper, although this is just a theory perhaps they were tracking down Autobots this exact way with finding one and detecting signals of other Autobots and repeat the procedure until they find Cliff, again this part is just a theory but regardless nothing in the film indicates that the two Decepticons were looking for Bumblebee specifically prior to the Autobot beaming his signal.

The Blitzwing part however is fine and correct since it isn't explained how he was already there, either he was already on Earth (I mean he is a Seeker and maybe Seekers seek other worlds which is what they did in ROTF although they are presumably separate from the more classic versions in this movie) or he took off after Bumblebee's pod immediately after they launched whether specifically looking for Bee or was chasing his pod by chance. Although those are theories and not fact. --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 7:30, 12 January 2019 (EST)
:Yeah, I don't think the error as listed is correct. Shatter and Dropkick are hunting for Optimus, they happen to be interrogating Cliffjumper when they detect Bumblebee's signal and they go to find Bumblebee on the hunch he'll be more willing to talk. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:05, 23 January 2019 (EST)

== Just an idea ==
I don't know if there is a way we could do this but could we take a poll on whether people like the Bumblebee designs or the original movieverse designs better? Please don't hate me for this. I'm new here.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:09, 28 January 2019 (EST)
:TFWiki isn't the place for "social" stuff, that would be better suited for a Transformers discussion forum. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:54, 28 January 2019 (EST)

==Bumblebee's Place in Continuity==
It seems Hasbro referred to Bumblebee as [https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/02/16/transformers-brand-info-from-new-york-toy-fair-2019-fan-media-panel-hasbrotoyfair-383106 "a new storytelling universe" at the ToyFair panel over the weekend]. Now admittedly this statement is rather vague, but the general idea seems to imply the film is now a reboot, not a prequel to the Michael Bay franchise. I'm aware of the mass discussions in regards to the film's continuity prior to release, and I don't mean to dredge up old arguments, but I think this statement is atleast worth discussing. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:17, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:I don't see any point in discussing this until after the next movie.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:48, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:Christ, can people tamp down their continuity deckchair-shuffling boners for like three consecutive seconds. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 17 February 2019 (EST)
::I guess you can say it's ''pretty hard?'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:43, 17 February 2019 (EST)
: Is [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/travis-knight-talks-edits-continuity-and-turning-people-into-goo-in-new-interview/43204/ this good enough]? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:42, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

==Bumblebee Universal Designation==
Since the Bumblebee movie has been confirmed to be a reboot, and was obviously a new timeline in the first place, I propose we call the BB movie universe: Tyran 018.21 Delta. --[[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] 15:03, 15 March 2019 (EST)
:We've already discussed this, including right above your post. The statement they made was too vague to actually pull anything definitive from, so we're not making any calls about whether the movie is a prequel or reboot (and therefore requires a new designation) until we know what the next movie is. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::Also the movie is blatantly made to work either way (with allowances for how shoddy inter-film continuity is for the whole enterprise). If new movies do their own thing, that doesn't actually change how they approached and made this movie. And we're not using TT stream designations for anything anyway. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:32, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
:::That too. Unless something gets mentioned in future TransTech fiction (assuming there even is any), you probably won't see any new universal streams added to the wiki going forward. (Note that we don't have one for Cyberverse either.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:38, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::::I don't see how it is vague. It was clearly confirmed to be a reboot. --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:36, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::No, it wasn't. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Aside from any of that, [[Sector 7 Adventures: The Battle at Half Dome]] is tied to this movie and the previous ones. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:43, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

==Battletrap homage==
There's a note that states that Dropkick is an homage to Battletrap's appearance in "Cybertron's Most Wanted." Is there any evidence to back this up (say Travis Knight saying so like how he said Shatter is based on Nightbird), or is it just speculative? Because I don't remember hearing Mr. Knight saying anything about Dropkick's design. [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 10:57, 23 March 2019 (EDT)

== Entertainment Weekly ==
"An Entertainment Weekly article confirms some of the background characters in the scene set on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].<ref>[https://ew.com/movies/2018/12/22/bumblebee-spoilers-classic-transformers-opening-battle/2/ EW article on the Cybertron scene]</ref> "
Given all the errors in that article, I am tempted to just remove this from the page. How can we claim that it confirms anything when it gets so much wrong about the past? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:30, 24 March 2019 (EDT)
:I've pulled the note and removed the Seekers (other than Starscream) from the list. Find a source that is competent before re-adding. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:49, 27 March 2019 (EDT)
::[https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece From the horse's mouth.] Slide 28 concretely identifies them as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:49, 2 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Okay, that I can accept as a reliable source. The EW article I wouldn't even take as evidence for how to spell Entertainment Weekly, it was THAT bad.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:38, 4 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I wanna say that while obviously those Seeker colors were inspired by a few of the named Seekers over the years including being labeled as such in the concept art, I doubt those Seekers in the opening were those characters themselves only because the colors are reused for multiple Seekers, for example there are multiple "Thundercrackers" including the one Optimus pummels and the one Bumblebee knocks out of the way in vehicle mode before he knocks over and kills one of the many "Skywarps" in the scene, although it's possible any of these Seekers are indeed Skywarp,Thundercracker,Thrust,etc I'm not sure if that was the intent at the end, The colors I saw while watching a 4k version of the scene just today were besides the Thundercracker,Skywarp,Thrust ones there were the ROTF Dirge looking ones as well as an orange kind of Sunstorm Seeker that Bumblebee kicks a Skywarp head at and shortly before hand a mostly red Seeker in the background during the part where Bee knocks over two Seekers and finally there is a couple Seekers that uses Blitzwing's color scheme one of such is one of the Seekers that Prime shoots in the flashback and another is one of the many Seekers charging Prime at the end of the scene, funnily enough that one was right beside Shatter and Dropkick so that one might very well be Blitzwing himself but probably a coincidence, This fan made scale chart by Red Goblin (He's a very talented guy, I actually think he has some access or other to ILM renders, either that or he's really good at piecing together renders) while not an official source (probably) is a good film accurate showing of what colors were in the film. https://i.postimg.cc/2kRxjk5B/bumblebeeccons.png --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 5:46, 4 April 2019 (EST)

==pics==
I get why all the pics are of the bot scenes...but shouldn't Charlie be in a few? Swapping the final image for example from one at the bridge to Prime and Bee seems to run counter to the fact that she's the the primary protagonist. {{unsigned|Eire}}
:I agree. At the moment the selection of screencaps is giving a completely inaccurate impression of the film. We have more screeencaps featuring Soundwave than we do of Charlie (and the one that does is just the back of her head). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

== Digital comic ==
Question: the recent comic (Sector 7 adventures: the battle at half dome) released with the dvd has many elements that connect Bumblebee movie with the 2007 Transformers movie (like Banachek, Simmons's S7 t-shirt, Soundwave looking for the AllSpark, Megatron frozen etc...); so can we add those informations in this page? [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:That information would be better suited to a Battle at Half Dome page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:04, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::Yes, I know I know, but what I was saying is that (for example) in the section "continuity notes" there is written that the S7 doesn't know the Cybertronians and there is also written a supposition that project Iceman is so secret that only a small portion of employees knows about it. I asked if there could be done a link saying these theory is supported by the comic. [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:::Probably not. I guarantee you the scriptwriters were not thinking about any comic adaptations when the movie was being written; in its own self-contained context, there is no explanation. Besides, if there's anything we've learned from the Bumblebee Prequel, it's that the events of a comic tie-in can't be treated as lining up precisely with, or having any influence on, movie canon. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:23, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Ok thanks. {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:::::Just one last question: if what you're saying is true, why in Bumblebee's notes (character, not movie I mean) about his arrival on earth is made mention to the IDW comics? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
::::::Character articles cover all of a character's appearances in all works of fiction, even when they're incompatible with one another. Hence why the "IDW Comics" section is placed separately on the page from the "Movies" section. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:51, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
:::::::OK Thanks

== Escape Pods/Protoform ==
Does anyone else notice the Escape pods resemble the protoform reentry modes of the Michael Bay Movies? Would it be alright if I made a note of that in the Trivia section of the Protoform' page? Or is only having minor resemblance not conclusive evidence enough to make a note of it in the trivia section of that Protoform' page?

== The movie is no longer a prequel, it's a reboot ==

When the movie finally came out, it was declared to be a reboot officially. Shouldn't the page be altered to reflect that? Here is at least one source: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/streaming-june-2020-netflix-disney-plus-hulu-hbo-max/ --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:Please read the ''Bumblebee'' section on this page: [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers]]. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:45, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::Also, Bumblebee isn't even mentioned on that page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:12, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Transformers isn't mentioned on that page, either. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::::I assume they meant to link to [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/bumblebee-official-transformers-reboot-hasbro/ this], which is simply re-reporting the "new storytelling universe" quote which is already covered on the page Escargon linked to. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::And, even if it were completely out of continuity with the previous films, I can't see it as being separate enough to warrant splitting pages. It would still seem to fall in the same continuity family and would be covered on the pre-existing movie-verse pages just as the many separate G1 universes are covered on the same pages (barring splits for length). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:07, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

== so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? ==

Like, in the 2007 movie prequel comic, he lost his voice to Megatron before chasing after the allspark. Why did Travis change it? Mikey. 17:32, 10 November 2020 (EST)Mikey. 17:03, 10 November 2020 (EST)
::The 2007 movie prequel comic is a part of the IDW Movie universe which in turn is a splinter timeline consisting only of the first 3 films. AOE, TLK and Bumblebee are not in anyway related to the IDW movie comics. Plus, we still need to wait and see if Bumblebee is even part of the same film continuity or whether it is an official reboot.

::Also, please sign your name using 4 of the ~ symbols, it automatically codes it with your user link and makes the timestamp accurate :) [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 17:18, 10 November 2020 (EST)
:::okay? But.. um... age of extinction and the last knight NEVER contradicted the comics, so they should still be canon to the main 5 movies timeline. Hell, age of extinction and the last knight DIDN'T mention that bumblebee losing his voice was a different cause, so why change it? I'm sorry, but to me, the comics are more connected then the bee movie. (Also, I'm new here, so I may have gotten this stuff wrong, sorry.) Mikey. 17:37, 10 November 2020 (EST) 17:37, 10 November 2020 (EST) 17:32, 10 November 2020 (EST)
::::AOE and TLK did both contradict the comics. AOE introduced the Creators as the ones who made the Transformers instead of the AllSpark and Primus as given by the legend presented in "[[Foundation issue 2]]". It also established Optimus as part of an ancient order of Knights predating the Transformer race, when ROTF and its tie-in comics established him as a descendant of the Dynasty of Primes, whose existence would have come after the aforementioned Knights. Optimus being part of an order older than the dynasty he was descended from would make him older than that very dynasty. TLK, meanwhile, placed Bumblebee on Earth as early as World War II, when "[[Movie Prequel issue 2]]" placed Bumblebee's first arrival on Earth in 2003. Granted, the Bumblebee movie conflicts with this too, but it remains to be seen if later movies will mend the link between Bumblebee and TLK, but the comics contradiction still remains either way. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:06, 10 November 2020 (EST)
:::::I was about to say that lol. I suggest reading the [[Movie timeline]] and [[Movie expanded universe timeline]] to help clear things up. Also, Lockdown was present as a captive of the Initiative, when AOE established him flying through space in the Knight Ship doing bounty huntery things. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 18:13, 10 November 2020 (EST)
:::::Well they NEVER contradicted the other comics stories (like reign of starscream, and the dark of the moon prequel comics.) And I do NOT remember age of extinction and the last knight ever mentioning that bumblebee losing his voice being a different explanation. Mikey. 20:01, 10 November 2020 (EST)

Talk:Bumblebee (film)

2020-11-11T01:01:21Z

Michael dunlap.: /* so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? */

[[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers#Bumblebee|NOT CALLING IT A REBOOT]]. WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MOVIE.
==Lawsuit?==
So Hasbro just filed a Lawsuit with DC Comics for the Bumblebee Name. [http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/bumblebee-trademark-transformers-dc-comics-warner-bros-1202541577/] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 04:45, 30 August 2017 (EDT)
:Ah no wait, it's over. DC & Hasbro are cool. [http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/08/17/the-battle-of-the-bumblebees-is-over-hasbro-and-dc-comics-settle-bumblebee-trademark-dispute-370180] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 19:22, 11 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream==
Should Starscream be in the cast list here, when we've not actually had any official announcement/confirmation that the character in the trailer is him? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:58, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
:Nope. --[[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 01:11, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::Aw, come on! Its quite obviously supposed to be starscream, the head design is a slightly more g1-ifies version of michael bay starscream. The colors of the jet (what can be seen of it) are starscream colors, red air intakes, white nose area, and even a orange cockpit. It is highly unlikely this starscream homage isnt him, its clearly a more g1-ified version of michael bay starscream. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:13, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:::It's not uncommon for [[Blackout (Movie)|movie]] [[Grindor (ROTF)|characters]] to [[Crankcase (DOTM)|not]] [[Berserker|be]] who you think they are. Until Starscream is officially confirmed, we gotta play it safe. [[User:Ikkad|Ikkad]] ([[User talk:Ikkad|talk]]) 14:14, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::: Only one [[Barricade (Movie)|decepticon]] has been confirmed for the movie. Starscream has not been confirmed yet. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 19:34, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Get rekt, it’s confirmed as screamer now! [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 08:24, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
:The rudeness is hardly necessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:51, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, I meant it in a friendlier manner. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:53, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

The reason they had to make an official announcement was because you people kept speculating that it wasn't Starscream when it blattantly was. It's a soft reboot. He doesn't have to turn into a Dorito F-22 to be the same character. This has been common knowledge for months.[[User:Leo1452|King Kid]] ([[User talk:Leo1452|talk]]) 12:03, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
:Well I for one have always enjoyed crow when topped with a little (Whataburger) ketchup. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:55, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

This just in: That Scream is now Blitzwing. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:48, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:...that just in literally a month ago hence my last comment above. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 20:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

== /* Timeline and Continuity */ ==
This movie is a reboot because if not they should find the way to explain how Bumblebee fought in the WW2, because this movie is supposedly to be the first time Bumblebee came to Earth--[[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:29, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Can somebody edit in the fact that this is now officially a reboot since Hasbro has now officially confirmed it? [[User:DrXshock|DrXshock]] ([[User talk:DrXshock|talk]]) 17:51, 17 February 2019 (EST) 22:50, 17 February 2019 (GMT)
==toyline?==
Is there a toyline? I know the movie has a while to release, but we knew about titans return about a year before release. Why do t we know about this toyline?
[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

There might be. I have seen pictures showing a prototype of a volkswagen beetle Bumblebee ( redeco from TLK new bumblebee ) [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:29, 10 June 2018 (EDT

:The toyline will be absorbed into ''Studio Series.'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
==Is this really a reboot?==
I have heard that the reboot is cancelled, but the past events in the movies just don't match up.
Bumblebee went to earth with Hot Rod and fought in world war 2 (ww2) there. Instead the movie shows bumblebee's first time on earth.
So is this a start to the reboot or just a confusing event in the Bayformers Movies? [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
:Dude, it really doesn't matter right now, the movie isn't out yet. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

==bumblebee design==
Is it me, or does bumblebee kinda look like the cancelled alternators g1 bumblebee? If anyone else picks up on this, should we put it in the (currently nonexistent) trivia area that his design is possibly an homage to said toy? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:55, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

==female Decepticon==
A youtuber, AndySupreme99, claims that he saw the trailer at Cinemacon. He says that there is a female Decepticon. Have any of you seen the trailer he mentioned?
:We obviously know now that this was referring to Shatter, but for the record, we need a better source than "This YouTuber says..." next time. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:19, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

==new characters confirmed==
The director has confirmed that Cliffjumper, Soundwave and Shockwave will be on Cybertron. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 06:53, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:Source? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:47, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
::When I googled, I found a bunch of excited fan videos pointing back to a wordpress blog which mentioned Travis Knight in terms of his appearance at San Diego Comic Con, and then launched into a bunch of other details that were not obviously sourced to anything Knight said. I don't think we should be inclined to add them based on that. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

::Now we all know that it is true because of the second trailer, but we should get an official source first next time instead of info from a fan made video. [[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:38, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

== Can we not add pages for background randos who may or may not be characters? ==
Have people already forgotten when everyone though Blitzwing was actually Starscream? We shouldn't be saying Acid Storm is in the film, when there's the possibility that the green dude might well turn out to be a completely new character. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:38, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
:Sorry, I should've probably just waited or not do it at all instead of telling people to delete if they didn't like it. But I didn't think it would be taken to this extent where pages were being made. Once again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:09, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
::The first rule of wikis is that if there is a red link, *somebody* is gonna fill it. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 01:29, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream Part 2==
This fits better here than on Bltizwing's article's talk page, where I'd posted it first:

''We're swiftly disabused of that notion thanks to a barrage of familiar faces including Decepticon premiereship players Shockwave, Starscream and Blitzwing, all in their original, first generation forms.''

This is obviously an incorrect take on the trailer, as Blitzwing is assuredly not there in his "original, first generation form." We therefore can't take the article's identification of Starscream as definitive, especially given that this isn't the first time we've seen a Starscream-looking dude in a trailer, and he turned out named something else. Note that Starscream is not mentioned in any of the article's direct quotes of Travis Knight. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:I understand what you mean, but in the background of the Shockwave shot, we see a bot that looks different than Blitzwing, and has more similarities to Starscream. We can especially tell because the international trailer shows us Blitzwing's body. If this ends being Blitzwing ''too'' (for some reason) than sure. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::We cannot positively ID that guy as Starscream at this point, certainly not based on a sentence that contains at least one clear error. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:37, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Blitzwing being in his Generation One style form can just be the error, and that's it. And besides, if Starscream wasnt in the actual movie, wouldn't you think they would've scrubbed his name by now? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:49, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::A version of G1 Blitzwing does not appear in the trailer, and that mistaken impression by the author has not been corrected. That mistake renders the sentence unreliable. The author thinks that one Seeker on Cybertron is Starscream, and maybe it is, but we've been down the "this Seeker-looking dude is clearly Starscream" road once already, and we know how that turned out. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:58, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::One incorrect part of a sentence doesn't cancel out the whole sentence. It is true that Shockwave and other characters appear in their G1 style bodies. Let's get at a compromise. If the movie comes out and that Seeker in the background isn't Starscream, then, we remove it. But for now we keep it so we can remember. Dealio? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::No. What? No. When the movie comes out this'll all be moot. We're talking about what our articles are presenting to readers right now as confirmed facts about an upcoming release. And actually, yes, that one error does make the whole sentence unreliable, as it auggests that it's just the author's impression of the trailer and not info from an actual production source. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 19:13, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, let's just delete the Starscream stuff for now and see what happens. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:04, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Fine. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:17, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
Welp, looks like the new, short featurette made this guy look EVEN more like Starscream. By the way, I have "Starscream" hidden along with the other background bots; if the movie comes out, and it turns out this isn't Blitzwing or anyone else, then we can probably un-hide him, along with everyone else. Guess we'll find out soon! [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:48, 5 December 2018 (EST)

== Mr. Bee caption ==
I really don't care for it, but the context of that caption is that it's from the Bee Movie during the trial scene with Barry Vs. The Human Race. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:03, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:I know what it's from, I just think it's gross.
:Also Sipher removed it once already, and he's an admin, so. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 11:15, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
::Yeah, I totally agree. Just figured I might add some context. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:07, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:::Good news, its been taken care of in the form of the famous "You like Jazz?" [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 18:29, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

== Officialy Confirmed Characters ==
Recently characters like Arcee,Cliffjumper, Ratchet and Starscream were confirmed in an official featurette. Should we add them?[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:17, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:I feel like at this point we can afford to wait three weeks for the film to actually come out before adding tons of characters to the cast list. We've previously had shots of characters in trailers/preview material which have not been in the finished film. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:28, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::Besides, just because someone looks like a character doesn't mean they actually are. Remember "Starscream"? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:30, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::If the "featurette" is the video linked here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFv6JVFApk Bumblebee - First Generation Design - Paramount Pictures UK], there is nothing in that video that confirms those characters. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:46, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::::Seems to be referencing this TFW2005 article about that featurette http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/11/27/transformers-bumblebee-designing-g1-featurette-jointhebuzz-377449 Which includes some blurry screenshots with background characters circled. Which is not confirmation of who these characters are, especially since you can barely see them. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:57, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::::'''EDIT:''' Yeah, that. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 27 November 2018 (EST)

==The novel==
Warning: Spoilers!

The movie novel confirms that there is one more human character named Sheriff Lock who chases Bee and the humans in a tunnel before Bee damages his cop car by jumping on the hood. We should add him because this is from an official source.[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 11:00, 29 November 2018 (EST)
: Characters in novelizations don't always show up in the movie itself. There's no rush; we can wait a few weeks. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:02, 29 November 2018 (EST)

== The Hoover Dam in the Trailer. ==
This may be useless information, but it could also be of some interest to some.
I was born in Las Vegas and have lived here for most of my life.....I was born in the 70's BTW.
Anyways as a kid (and even now) I loved going to the Hoover Dam, so I know a bit about it's appearance throughout the years and decades.
So the movie takes place in 1988 right?
If that is the case the way the Dam looked in the trailer (I believe it was in the second trailer) is not correct for the time period.
The parking structure and new visitors center that can be seen on the west (Nevada) side the Dam in the trailer was built (added) in the mid 90's.
I did try to find some sample pics from the 80's online, but could not find any that were stamped for that time period. But I do have two post cards from my personal collection that I did get around that time, that shows how the Hoover Dam would appear in 1988. (I can send pics of them if need be).
So like I said this is not really important info about the movie, but I thought it should at least be said and addressed, you know for the whole "real world" "continuity" section or something. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 04:55, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I would suggest waiting until after the film is released before adding any real-world comparisons like that, so as to make sure it accurately reflects the final version. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:11, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I agree and that does makes sense, because they may change it, or perhaps the scene takes place at some other time period in the film, when I do see the movie I will let you know if it still is an issue. [[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 01:35, 5 December 2018 (EST)
:I just wanted to give a follow up to this subject that I began in the first place. I finally saw the movie, which was awesome BTW, and it seems that the shot of the Dam that was used in the trailer was NOT used in the final film, and the shot that was seemed to be done in such a way to not show any of those structures that I mentioned as being built after the 80's. So I have to say they (the director and editor) did a pretty decent job. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 03:04, 4 January 2019 (EST)

==thundercracker==
I’m not sure if it’s just a generic or not, but there’s a seeker colored suspiciously like thundercracker. Does anyone else think it’s thundercracker or is it just me? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 16:35, 14 December 2018 (EST)
:Dude, just wait a WEEK and you can find out for sure. Geez, what is this obsession people have with playing "wow, that blur in the background looks kind of like random character number 382. If I squint."?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:24, 14 December 2018 (EST)

==Open editing please?==
When will regular users be able to edit this? The movie's already out... [[User:Autoboty|Autoboty]] ([[User talk:Autoboty|talk]]) 05:18, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:"expires 21:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)". It's only 6:30 am on the East Coast. Not many have had a chance to see it yet... - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 06:26, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:For Christ's sake, would it kill people to just wait a few days and then add information? This does not need to be immediately added; in fact, it's better that it's not, because it gives you time to write up a concise summary. Just...chill. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:01, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:The article is unlocked now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:03, 21 December 2018 (EST)

== New universe ==
Since the new film is clearly settled in a new continuity, should we move the new informations of the characters in a separate section in their own pages or create totally new pages ? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:Same page, we would only make a new page if it's a new continuity family. There is also a discussion on how to tackle the Bee movie [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The Bumblebee Movie|here]]. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:26, 22 December 2018 (EST)

== Caption theme for this film? ==
So what is it this time around? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 00:33, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:It has been Bee Movie so far, don’t know if it’s going to change [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 00:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Bee Movie. There can be only one. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:01, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::''Hey, I've never seen the Bee Movie. I had no clue!'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:::I hear it made a real buzz at the box office! - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:04, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::::I will kill you. --[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:05, 28 January 2019 (EST)

== Sector Seven's "first contact" ==
The Sector Seven unit seen in the film calls the entire Bumblebee/Blitzwing fight, and later the meeting with Shatter and Dropkick as "first contact", which seems to imply that this is the first time that Sector Seven has seen Cybertronians. But as we know, at that point in time, Megatron and the Allspark are very clearly in possession of S7. Currently, this is stated to be a continuity error... But is there a chance that the Unit involved under Burns doesn't know of the entire story behind Megatron? Remember, in TF1, Banachek, said that the entire footage acquired from Transformers was deemed "beyond Top Secret." Using real-life Top Secrecy protocols, it isn't hard to imagine that even S7 wouldn't tell their field teams what was going on in their secret base, either A. because they simply don't have to know, or B. in case of interrogation, the soldiers can't tell anything useful.

The same can be said of allowing Shatter and Dropkick inside Hoover Dam: the field team could know the HQ, but wouldn't know the entirety of the story. And of course, the files that Shatter/Dropkick search through could be doctored, with some sensitive information removed or placed behind bars, allowing access but keeping some of the files a secrecy. Traces of Cybertronian-originated tech inside the files could simply be replaced with the cover-up stories S7 has used before, possibly even to the field teams.

Just a theory based on real-life protocols, and some careful speculation.

[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 07:34, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Given they cut a scene they filmed showing frozen ('''G1''') Megatron, they may or may not have Megs and the Allspark in the *Bumblebee* continuity. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:05, 27 December 2018 (EST)

:Admittedly it's been a while since I watched the 2007 film, but Megs was (a) found frozen (and offline?) and (b) kept frozen (and offline?), right? So they can still have him in the freezer and consider this first contact, because it was the first ''actual'' contact, with the words and the talking. Like many things with continuity between these movies, I think it can work if you squint. A lot. --[[User:Guntrip|Guntrip]] ([[User talk:Guntrip|talk]]) 05:54, 28 December 2018 (EST)
::If I were Sector 7, I would not consider Megatron's body to be first contact. And as Travis Knight made clear in interviews, Megatron does not cameo in this film because he is meant to be frozen at the Hoover Dam when the film is set. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 12:39, 28 December 2018 (EST)

== Bumblebee's potential design change ==
Wasn't 100% sure if this was noteworthy enough to add, so I figured I'd bring it up here first. The more complex toys, namely the Studio Series and Masterpiece figures, depict Bumblebee as having the traditional "car wings"- this is an element that is present in some promotional material as well, specifically with [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/92/ed/6e92edad8057c2a68dee54513fd80a59.jpg Entenmann's products showing Bee with his "wings"], leading me to believe it was a minor design change late into the game and not the result of general kibble. In the final film, as far as I can recall, his doors are just folded onto his back to give him a cleaner look. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:37, 4 January 2019 (EST)

== Cliffjumper's cameo ==
So I could just start a revert war, because 'NO' isn't a real persuasive argument, but I'll do this instead, 'cause I think I got a solid case.

In the last 20+ years of Transformers lore, Cliffjumper is famous for one thing and one thing only: showing up as a named, headlining character in a flagship TV show, only to be captured, interrogated and brutally murdered within minutes of his debut. This is ''by far'' the most distinctive and memorable thing the mythos-arc character of Cliffjumper has done. You gotta go back 35 years to him calling people traitor to find something similarly definitive.

Now for the movie scene on whatever moon it was, the writers could have chosen ''literally any character''. They coulda put Huffer or Gears or Cosmos or Windcharger or Blurr or Outback or a generic or ''anybody'' in that scene, but no. When they needed a character to be captured, interrogated, act defiant and get shockingly killed, they went to the one character whose ''defining trait'' is that he was ''captured, interrogated, acted defiant and got shockingly killed''.

If that seems like a reach, the bigger reach is saying that they just landed on that character ''totally by coincidence''; that out of 18 '84 Autobots and dozens of subsequent ones available, they just. so. happened. to pick that one, ''without'' being aware of his recent history. I don't buy that.

Now if we've heard from the scriptwriters or whoever added that character in there that, whoa, hey, wow, we had no idea that was a thing!, then that's different; but y'all gotta show me the money. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 12:46, 7 January 2019 (EST)
: Conversely, the interrogation scenes are different enough (Prime Cliffjumper gets his spark crushed, BB Cliffjumper is bisected) that I'd need to see it from the the scriptwriters that it was intentional. And being honest, I'm willing to be the reason why Cliffjumper was chosen to die was because he's about 95% the same model as Bumblebee's Cybertronian form, and thus was easy to do instead of some other all new guy.

: All in all, sometimes a similar scene is just a similar scene. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:42, 7 January 2019 (EST)

::I also call bull on the notion that Cliffjumper's "defining trait" is "get shockingly killed". On top of that, it further strains credibility of the claim to have just this one singular non-G1 non-movie reference out of aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the past-TF references in the movie, especially when, as noted, it involves a recycled model for a scene that would almost certainly predate the reshoots and added Cybertron footage. In a movie where they actually re-create specific shots from the old animation, you'd think they'd have done that there too if they were actually making the reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:04, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:Rob, they used Cliffjumper because Cliffjumper can use the same Cybertronian body that they already modeled for Bumblebee. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 14:16, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:: Fair enough, outvoted etc.
:: Not sure this comment works as an explanation, though. Of course they reskinned a model where it was an option, but they coulda reskinned anybody. They coulda killed off Bluestreak or Smokescreen or Outback or an obscurity or a generic. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 18:11, 8 January 2019 (EST)
::: The expanded Cybertronian scenes were a later addition, and so Bumblebee's Cybertronian mode was likely available much sooner. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:34, 8 January 2019 (EST)

Even if the authors didn't intend it, it still happened. We're the ones who spot the similarities and I'm on board with noting it on the page, though using phrases like "...is similar to..." as opposed to "...is inspired by...". Same thing goes with "homage," which assumes deliberate planning. Two things can resemble each other either on purpose or by accident, it's still fair to point out the resemblence. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:54, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:That's always been something we've ''actively'' avoided doing. We even have a template for it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:06, 7 January 2019 (EST)
::And I quote...
{{Notareference}}
::-- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:24, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:::Yeah, we are not filling up our references sections with things that we merely find similar. That's not what the references section is for. That's why we have the template. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:27, 7 January 2019 (EST)

==Seekers==
It says dirge is in the film, the only conehead you see clearly (and even has a pic on this site) is green. Also, the purple seeker on Cybertron resembles slipstream in colors more than it does Skywarp. Hell, it probably isn’t even either character, just a generic. I think we should remove the seekers names from the characters list besides starscream, as the others aren’t named. While starscream isn’t named in the film, the shots on Cybertron resemble his g1 self and he is the closest standing to shockwave in the scene with the green cone head. Starscream, Soundwave, and shockwave are all Megatrons generals, so it would make sense for them to be together with Megatron being gone. As far as I’m aware, starscream is the only seeker that can be safely associated with an established character. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 09:14, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Scroll down to Notes section. There's a reference to an EW article saying all the G1 characters in the opening Cybertron scene. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)
::I'm not sure how reliable that source is in this case. They can't spell Chris Latta. They state that the instructions for the coneheads were changed, when they were not. Various paragraphs mix the old toys and the new movies in confusing ways. And the quotation used to support Dirge's presence does not actually include his name, that is added by the author of the article and could be either saying that the specific conehead Dirge is in the movie or simply giving an example of a conehead from past fiction without saying what the names of any coneheads in the movie are (or even if they are named). Honestly, the writer needs to return not just the paycheck they received for that article, but also any and all diplomas, degrees, and certifications of education that they may have received. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:48, 10 January 2019 (EST)

So we can remove them from the list except starscream? He is thus far the only one who has enough to be inferred who he is. Just because he is named doesn’t mean it’s not him, shockwave goes unnamed in the film. See my first post if you are unaware of my reasoning. Sincerely [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 15:29, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Shockwave is named in the credits, by the way. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:23, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Thrust are explicitly named in the ILM visual development page (https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece/). Thus, I'd assume that there has been confirmation on their identities. [[User:Ed|Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed|talk]]) 02:31, 20 May 2019 (EDT)
:Dude, you're responding to a 4 month old thread. We are aware of the ILM source. We discussed it over a month ago in the section "Entertainment Weekly". But, given the fact that all of those mentioned there show up in MULTIPLE copies, the specific characters cannot be said to be in this film. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:10, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

== Shatter/Dropkick tracking Bumblebee error. ==
(First post here forgive me if I'm doing this wrong)

So I was reading the error section for this movie specifically how it claims that Shatter and Dropkick were tasked with tracking down B-127, while they do that after they detect his signal while interrogating Cliffjumper I didn't see anything in the film that indicated that they were hunting down Bumblebee specifically before that moment, since they were trying to find Prime it seems more likely that the two Decepticons were just tracking down and interrogating any Autobot they could for Prime's location and so happen to be near Bee while they were interrogating Cliffjumper, although this is just a theory perhaps they were tracking down Autobots this exact way with finding one and detecting signals of other Autobots and repeat the procedure until they find Cliff, again this part is just a theory but regardless nothing in the film indicates that the two Decepticons were looking for Bumblebee specifically prior to the Autobot beaming his signal.

The Blitzwing part however is fine and correct since it isn't explained how he was already there, either he was already on Earth (I mean he is a Seeker and maybe Seekers seek other worlds which is what they did in ROTF although they are presumably separate from the more classic versions in this movie) or he took off after Bumblebee's pod immediately after they launched whether specifically looking for Bee or was chasing his pod by chance. Although those are theories and not fact. --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 7:30, 12 January 2019 (EST)
:Yeah, I don't think the error as listed is correct. Shatter and Dropkick are hunting for Optimus, they happen to be interrogating Cliffjumper when they detect Bumblebee's signal and they go to find Bumblebee on the hunch he'll be more willing to talk. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:05, 23 January 2019 (EST)

== Just an idea ==
I don't know if there is a way we could do this but could we take a poll on whether people like the Bumblebee designs or the original movieverse designs better? Please don't hate me for this. I'm new here.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:09, 28 January 2019 (EST)
:TFWiki isn't the place for "social" stuff, that would be better suited for a Transformers discussion forum. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:54, 28 January 2019 (EST)

==Bumblebee's Place in Continuity==
It seems Hasbro referred to Bumblebee as [https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/02/16/transformers-brand-info-from-new-york-toy-fair-2019-fan-media-panel-hasbrotoyfair-383106 "a new storytelling universe" at the ToyFair panel over the weekend]. Now admittedly this statement is rather vague, but the general idea seems to imply the film is now a reboot, not a prequel to the Michael Bay franchise. I'm aware of the mass discussions in regards to the film's continuity prior to release, and I don't mean to dredge up old arguments, but I think this statement is atleast worth discussing. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:17, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:I don't see any point in discussing this until after the next movie.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:48, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:Christ, can people tamp down their continuity deckchair-shuffling boners for like three consecutive seconds. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 17 February 2019 (EST)
::I guess you can say it's ''pretty hard?'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:43, 17 February 2019 (EST)
: Is [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/travis-knight-talks-edits-continuity-and-turning-people-into-goo-in-new-interview/43204/ this good enough]? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:42, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

==Bumblebee Universal Designation==
Since the Bumblebee movie has been confirmed to be a reboot, and was obviously a new timeline in the first place, I propose we call the BB movie universe: Tyran 018.21 Delta. --[[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] 15:03, 15 March 2019 (EST)
:We've already discussed this, including right above your post. The statement they made was too vague to actually pull anything definitive from, so we're not making any calls about whether the movie is a prequel or reboot (and therefore requires a new designation) until we know what the next movie is. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::Also the movie is blatantly made to work either way (with allowances for how shoddy inter-film continuity is for the whole enterprise). If new movies do their own thing, that doesn't actually change how they approached and made this movie. And we're not using TT stream designations for anything anyway. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:32, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
:::That too. Unless something gets mentioned in future TransTech fiction (assuming there even is any), you probably won't see any new universal streams added to the wiki going forward. (Note that we don't have one for Cyberverse either.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:38, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::::I don't see how it is vague. It was clearly confirmed to be a reboot. --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:36, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::No, it wasn't. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Aside from any of that, [[Sector 7 Adventures: The Battle at Half Dome]] is tied to this movie and the previous ones. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:43, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

==Battletrap homage==
There's a note that states that Dropkick is an homage to Battletrap's appearance in "Cybertron's Most Wanted." Is there any evidence to back this up (say Travis Knight saying so like how he said Shatter is based on Nightbird), or is it just speculative? Because I don't remember hearing Mr. Knight saying anything about Dropkick's design. [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 10:57, 23 March 2019 (EDT)

== Entertainment Weekly ==
"An Entertainment Weekly article confirms some of the background characters in the scene set on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].<ref>[https://ew.com/movies/2018/12/22/bumblebee-spoilers-classic-transformers-opening-battle/2/ EW article on the Cybertron scene]</ref> "
Given all the errors in that article, I am tempted to just remove this from the page. How can we claim that it confirms anything when it gets so much wrong about the past? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:30, 24 March 2019 (EDT)
:I've pulled the note and removed the Seekers (other than Starscream) from the list. Find a source that is competent before re-adding. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:49, 27 March 2019 (EDT)
::[https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece From the horse's mouth.] Slide 28 concretely identifies them as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:49, 2 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Okay, that I can accept as a reliable source. The EW article I wouldn't even take as evidence for how to spell Entertainment Weekly, it was THAT bad.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:38, 4 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I wanna say that while obviously those Seeker colors were inspired by a few of the named Seekers over the years including being labeled as such in the concept art, I doubt those Seekers in the opening were those characters themselves only because the colors are reused for multiple Seekers, for example there are multiple "Thundercrackers" including the one Optimus pummels and the one Bumblebee knocks out of the way in vehicle mode before he knocks over and kills one of the many "Skywarps" in the scene, although it's possible any of these Seekers are indeed Skywarp,Thundercracker,Thrust,etc I'm not sure if that was the intent at the end, The colors I saw while watching a 4k version of the scene just today were besides the Thundercracker,Skywarp,Thrust ones there were the ROTF Dirge looking ones as well as an orange kind of Sunstorm Seeker that Bumblebee kicks a Skywarp head at and shortly before hand a mostly red Seeker in the background during the part where Bee knocks over two Seekers and finally there is a couple Seekers that uses Blitzwing's color scheme one of such is one of the Seekers that Prime shoots in the flashback and another is one of the many Seekers charging Prime at the end of the scene, funnily enough that one was right beside Shatter and Dropkick so that one might very well be Blitzwing himself but probably a coincidence, This fan made scale chart by Red Goblin (He's a very talented guy, I actually think he has some access or other to ILM renders, either that or he's really good at piecing together renders) while not an official source (probably) is a good film accurate showing of what colors were in the film. https://i.postimg.cc/2kRxjk5B/bumblebeeccons.png --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 5:46, 4 April 2019 (EST)

==pics==
I get why all the pics are of the bot scenes...but shouldn't Charlie be in a few? Swapping the final image for example from one at the bridge to Prime and Bee seems to run counter to the fact that she's the the primary protagonist. {{unsigned|Eire}}
:I agree. At the moment the selection of screencaps is giving a completely inaccurate impression of the film. We have more screeencaps featuring Soundwave than we do of Charlie (and the one that does is just the back of her head). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

== Digital comic ==
Question: the recent comic (Sector 7 adventures: the battle at half dome) released with the dvd has many elements that connect Bumblebee movie with the 2007 Transformers movie (like Banachek, Simmons's S7 t-shirt, Soundwave looking for the AllSpark, Megatron frozen etc...); so can we add those informations in this page? [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:That information would be better suited to a Battle at Half Dome page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:04, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::Yes, I know I know, but what I was saying is that (for example) in the section "continuity notes" there is written that the S7 doesn't know the Cybertronians and there is also written a supposition that project Iceman is so secret that only a small portion of employees knows about it. I asked if there could be done a link saying these theory is supported by the comic. [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:::Probably not. I guarantee you the scriptwriters were not thinking about any comic adaptations when the movie was being written; in its own self-contained context, there is no explanation. Besides, if there's anything we've learned from the Bumblebee Prequel, it's that the events of a comic tie-in can't be treated as lining up precisely with, or having any influence on, movie canon. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:23, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Ok thanks. {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:::::Just one last question: if what you're saying is true, why in Bumblebee's notes (character, not movie I mean) about his arrival on earth is made mention to the IDW comics? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
::::::Character articles cover all of a character's appearances in all works of fiction, even when they're incompatible with one another. Hence why the "IDW Comics" section is placed separately on the page from the "Movies" section. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:51, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
:::::::OK Thanks

== Escape Pods/Protoform ==
Does anyone else notice the Escape pods resemble the protoform reentry modes of the Michael Bay Movies? Would it be alright if I made a note of that in the Trivia section of the Protoform' page? Or is only having minor resemblance not conclusive evidence enough to make a note of it in the trivia section of that Protoform' page?

== The movie is no longer a prequel, it's a reboot ==

When the movie finally came out, it was declared to be a reboot officially. Shouldn't the page be altered to reflect that? Here is at least one source: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/streaming-june-2020-netflix-disney-plus-hulu-hbo-max/ --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:Please read the ''Bumblebee'' section on this page: [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers]]. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:45, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::Also, Bumblebee isn't even mentioned on that page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:12, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Transformers isn't mentioned on that page, either. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::::I assume they meant to link to [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/bumblebee-official-transformers-reboot-hasbro/ this], which is simply re-reporting the "new storytelling universe" quote which is already covered on the page Escargon linked to. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::And, even if it were completely out of continuity with the previous films, I can't see it as being separate enough to warrant splitting pages. It would still seem to fall in the same continuity family and would be covered on the pre-existing movie-verse pages just as the many separate G1 universes are covered on the same pages (barring splits for length). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:07, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

== so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? ==

Like, in the 2007 movie prequel comic, he lost his voice to Megatron before chasing after the allspark. Why did Travis change it? Mikey. 17:32, 10 November 2020 (EST)Mikey. 17:03, 10 November 2020 (EST)
::The 2007 movie prequel comic is a part of the IDW Movie universe which in turn is a splinter timeline consisting only of the first 3 films. AOE, TLK and Bumblebee are not in anyway related to the IDW movie comics. Plus, we still need to wait and see if Bumblebee is even part of the same film continuity or whether it is an official reboot.

::Also, please sign your name using 4 of the ~ symbols, it automatically codes it with your user link and makes the timestamp accurate :) [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 17:18, 10 November 2020 (EST)
:::okay? But.. um... age of extinction and the last knight NEVER contradicted the comics, so they should still be canon to the main 5 movies timeline. Hell, age of extinction and the last knight DIDN'T mention that bumblebee losing his voice was a different cause, so why change it? I'm sorry, but to me, the comics are more connected then the bee movie. (Also, I'm new here, so I may have gotten this stuff wrong, sorry.) Mikey. 17:37, 10 November 2020 (EST) 17:37, 10 November 2020 (EST) 17:32, 10 November 2020 (EST)
::::AOE and TLK did both contradict the comics. AOE introduced the Creators as the ones who made the Transformers instead of the AllSpark and Primus as given by the legend presented in "[[Foundation issue 2]]". It also established Optimus as part of an ancient order of Knights predating the Transformer race, when ROTF and its tie-in comics established him as a descendant of the Dynasty of Primes, whose existence would have come after the aforementioned Knights. Optimus being part of an order older than the dynasty he was descended from would make him older than that very dynasty. TLK, meanwhile, placed Bumblebee on Earth as early as World War II, when "[[Movie Prequel issue 2]]" placed Bumblebee's first arrival on Earth in 2003. Granted, the Bumblebee movie conflicts with this too, but it remains to be seen if later movies will mend the link between Bumblebee and TLK, but the comics contradiction still remains either way. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:06, 10 November 2020 (EST)
:::::I was about to say that lol. I suggest reading the [[Movie timeline]] and [[Movie expanded universe timeline]] to help clear things up. Also, Lockdown was present as a captive of the Initiative, when AOE established him flying through space in the Knight Ship doing bounty huntery things. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 18:13, 10 November 2020 (EST)
:::::Well they NEVER contradicted the other comics stories (like reign of starscream, and the dark of the moon prequel comics.) And I do NOT remember age of extinction and the last knight ever mentioning that bumblebee losing his voice being a different explanation.

Talk:Bumblebee (film)

2020-11-10T22:41:46Z

Michael dunlap.: /* so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? */

[[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers#Bumblebee|NOT CALLING IT A REBOOT]]. WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MOVIE.
==Lawsuit?==
So Hasbro just filed a Lawsuit with DC Comics for the Bumblebee Name. [http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/bumblebee-trademark-transformers-dc-comics-warner-bros-1202541577/] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 04:45, 30 August 2017 (EDT)
:Ah no wait, it's over. DC & Hasbro are cool. [http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/08/17/the-battle-of-the-bumblebees-is-over-hasbro-and-dc-comics-settle-bumblebee-trademark-dispute-370180] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 19:22, 11 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream==
Should Starscream be in the cast list here, when we've not actually had any official announcement/confirmation that the character in the trailer is him? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:58, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
:Nope. --[[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 01:11, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::Aw, come on! Its quite obviously supposed to be starscream, the head design is a slightly more g1-ifies version of michael bay starscream. The colors of the jet (what can be seen of it) are starscream colors, red air intakes, white nose area, and even a orange cockpit. It is highly unlikely this starscream homage isnt him, its clearly a more g1-ified version of michael bay starscream. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:13, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:::It's not uncommon for [[Blackout (Movie)|movie]] [[Grindor (ROTF)|characters]] to [[Crankcase (DOTM)|not]] [[Berserker|be]] who you think they are. Until Starscream is officially confirmed, we gotta play it safe. [[User:Ikkad|Ikkad]] ([[User talk:Ikkad|talk]]) 14:14, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::: Only one [[Barricade (Movie)|decepticon]] has been confirmed for the movie. Starscream has not been confirmed yet. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 19:34, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Get rekt, it’s confirmed as screamer now! [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 08:24, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
:The rudeness is hardly necessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:51, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, I meant it in a friendlier manner. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:53, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

The reason they had to make an official announcement was because you people kept speculating that it wasn't Starscream when it blattantly was. It's a soft reboot. He doesn't have to turn into a Dorito F-22 to be the same character. This has been common knowledge for months.[[User:Leo1452|King Kid]] ([[User talk:Leo1452|talk]]) 12:03, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
:Well I for one have always enjoyed crow when topped with a little (Whataburger) ketchup. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:55, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

This just in: That Scream is now Blitzwing. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:48, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:...that just in literally a month ago hence my last comment above. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 20:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

== /* Timeline and Continuity */ ==
This movie is a reboot because if not they should find the way to explain how Bumblebee fought in the WW2, because this movie is supposedly to be the first time Bumblebee came to Earth--[[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:29, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Can somebody edit in the fact that this is now officially a reboot since Hasbro has now officially confirmed it? [[User:DrXshock|DrXshock]] ([[User talk:DrXshock|talk]]) 17:51, 17 February 2019 (EST) 22:50, 17 February 2019 (GMT)
==toyline?==
Is there a toyline? I know the movie has a while to release, but we knew about titans return about a year before release. Why do t we know about this toyline?
[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

There might be. I have seen pictures showing a prototype of a volkswagen beetle Bumblebee ( redeco from TLK new bumblebee ) [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:29, 10 June 2018 (EDT

:The toyline will be absorbed into ''Studio Series.'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
==Is this really a reboot?==
I have heard that the reboot is cancelled, but the past events in the movies just don't match up.
Bumblebee went to earth with Hot Rod and fought in world war 2 (ww2) there. Instead the movie shows bumblebee's first time on earth.
So is this a start to the reboot or just a confusing event in the Bayformers Movies? [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
:Dude, it really doesn't matter right now, the movie isn't out yet. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

==bumblebee design==
Is it me, or does bumblebee kinda look like the cancelled alternators g1 bumblebee? If anyone else picks up on this, should we put it in the (currently nonexistent) trivia area that his design is possibly an homage to said toy? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:55, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

==female Decepticon==
A youtuber, AndySupreme99, claims that he saw the trailer at Cinemacon. He says that there is a female Decepticon. Have any of you seen the trailer he mentioned?
:We obviously know now that this was referring to Shatter, but for the record, we need a better source than "This YouTuber says..." next time. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:19, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

==new characters confirmed==
The director has confirmed that Cliffjumper, Soundwave and Shockwave will be on Cybertron. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 06:53, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:Source? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:47, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
::When I googled, I found a bunch of excited fan videos pointing back to a wordpress blog which mentioned Travis Knight in terms of his appearance at San Diego Comic Con, and then launched into a bunch of other details that were not obviously sourced to anything Knight said. I don't think we should be inclined to add them based on that. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

::Now we all know that it is true because of the second trailer, but we should get an official source first next time instead of info from a fan made video. [[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:38, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

== Can we not add pages for background randos who may or may not be characters? ==
Have people already forgotten when everyone though Blitzwing was actually Starscream? We shouldn't be saying Acid Storm is in the film, when there's the possibility that the green dude might well turn out to be a completely new character. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:38, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
:Sorry, I should've probably just waited or not do it at all instead of telling people to delete if they didn't like it. But I didn't think it would be taken to this extent where pages were being made. Once again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:09, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
::The first rule of wikis is that if there is a red link, *somebody* is gonna fill it. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 01:29, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream Part 2==
This fits better here than on Bltizwing's article's talk page, where I'd posted it first:

''We're swiftly disabused of that notion thanks to a barrage of familiar faces including Decepticon premiereship players Shockwave, Starscream and Blitzwing, all in their original, first generation forms.''

This is obviously an incorrect take on the trailer, as Blitzwing is assuredly not there in his "original, first generation form." We therefore can't take the article's identification of Starscream as definitive, especially given that this isn't the first time we've seen a Starscream-looking dude in a trailer, and he turned out named something else. Note that Starscream is not mentioned in any of the article's direct quotes of Travis Knight. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:I understand what you mean, but in the background of the Shockwave shot, we see a bot that looks different than Blitzwing, and has more similarities to Starscream. We can especially tell because the international trailer shows us Blitzwing's body. If this ends being Blitzwing ''too'' (for some reason) than sure. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::We cannot positively ID that guy as Starscream at this point, certainly not based on a sentence that contains at least one clear error. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:37, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Blitzwing being in his Generation One style form can just be the error, and that's it. And besides, if Starscream wasnt in the actual movie, wouldn't you think they would've scrubbed his name by now? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:49, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::A version of G1 Blitzwing does not appear in the trailer, and that mistaken impression by the author has not been corrected. That mistake renders the sentence unreliable. The author thinks that one Seeker on Cybertron is Starscream, and maybe it is, but we've been down the "this Seeker-looking dude is clearly Starscream" road once already, and we know how that turned out. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:58, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::One incorrect part of a sentence doesn't cancel out the whole sentence. It is true that Shockwave and other characters appear in their G1 style bodies. Let's get at a compromise. If the movie comes out and that Seeker in the background isn't Starscream, then, we remove it. But for now we keep it so we can remember. Dealio? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::No. What? No. When the movie comes out this'll all be moot. We're talking about what our articles are presenting to readers right now as confirmed facts about an upcoming release. And actually, yes, that one error does make the whole sentence unreliable, as it auggests that it's just the author's impression of the trailer and not info from an actual production source. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 19:13, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, let's just delete the Starscream stuff for now and see what happens. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:04, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Fine. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:17, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
Welp, looks like the new, short featurette made this guy look EVEN more like Starscream. By the way, I have "Starscream" hidden along with the other background bots; if the movie comes out, and it turns out this isn't Blitzwing or anyone else, then we can probably un-hide him, along with everyone else. Guess we'll find out soon! [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:48, 5 December 2018 (EST)

== Mr. Bee caption ==
I really don't care for it, but the context of that caption is that it's from the Bee Movie during the trial scene with Barry Vs. The Human Race. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:03, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:I know what it's from, I just think it's gross.
:Also Sipher removed it once already, and he's an admin, so. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 11:15, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
::Yeah, I totally agree. Just figured I might add some context. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:07, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:::Good news, its been taken care of in the form of the famous "You like Jazz?" [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 18:29, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

== Officialy Confirmed Characters ==
Recently characters like Arcee,Cliffjumper, Ratchet and Starscream were confirmed in an official featurette. Should we add them?[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:17, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:I feel like at this point we can afford to wait three weeks for the film to actually come out before adding tons of characters to the cast list. We've previously had shots of characters in trailers/preview material which have not been in the finished film. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:28, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::Besides, just because someone looks like a character doesn't mean they actually are. Remember "Starscream"? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:30, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::If the "featurette" is the video linked here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFv6JVFApk Bumblebee - First Generation Design - Paramount Pictures UK], there is nothing in that video that confirms those characters. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:46, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::::Seems to be referencing this TFW2005 article about that featurette http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/11/27/transformers-bumblebee-designing-g1-featurette-jointhebuzz-377449 Which includes some blurry screenshots with background characters circled. Which is not confirmation of who these characters are, especially since you can barely see them. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:57, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::::'''EDIT:''' Yeah, that. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 27 November 2018 (EST)

==The novel==
Warning: Spoilers!

The movie novel confirms that there is one more human character named Sheriff Lock who chases Bee and the humans in a tunnel before Bee damages his cop car by jumping on the hood. We should add him because this is from an official source.[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 11:00, 29 November 2018 (EST)
: Characters in novelizations don't always show up in the movie itself. There's no rush; we can wait a few weeks. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:02, 29 November 2018 (EST)

== The Hoover Dam in the Trailer. ==
This may be useless information, but it could also be of some interest to some.
I was born in Las Vegas and have lived here for most of my life.....I was born in the 70's BTW.
Anyways as a kid (and even now) I loved going to the Hoover Dam, so I know a bit about it's appearance throughout the years and decades.
So the movie takes place in 1988 right?
If that is the case the way the Dam looked in the trailer (I believe it was in the second trailer) is not correct for the time period.
The parking structure and new visitors center that can be seen on the west (Nevada) side the Dam in the trailer was built (added) in the mid 90's.
I did try to find some sample pics from the 80's online, but could not find any that were stamped for that time period. But I do have two post cards from my personal collection that I did get around that time, that shows how the Hoover Dam would appear in 1988. (I can send pics of them if need be).
So like I said this is not really important info about the movie, but I thought it should at least be said and addressed, you know for the whole "real world" "continuity" section or something. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 04:55, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I would suggest waiting until after the film is released before adding any real-world comparisons like that, so as to make sure it accurately reflects the final version. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:11, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I agree and that does makes sense, because they may change it, or perhaps the scene takes place at some other time period in the film, when I do see the movie I will let you know if it still is an issue. [[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 01:35, 5 December 2018 (EST)
:I just wanted to give a follow up to this subject that I began in the first place. I finally saw the movie, which was awesome BTW, and it seems that the shot of the Dam that was used in the trailer was NOT used in the final film, and the shot that was seemed to be done in such a way to not show any of those structures that I mentioned as being built after the 80's. So I have to say they (the director and editor) did a pretty decent job. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 03:04, 4 January 2019 (EST)

==thundercracker==
I’m not sure if it’s just a generic or not, but there’s a seeker colored suspiciously like thundercracker. Does anyone else think it’s thundercracker or is it just me? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 16:35, 14 December 2018 (EST)
:Dude, just wait a WEEK and you can find out for sure. Geez, what is this obsession people have with playing "wow, that blur in the background looks kind of like random character number 382. If I squint."?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:24, 14 December 2018 (EST)

==Open editing please?==
When will regular users be able to edit this? The movie's already out... [[User:Autoboty|Autoboty]] ([[User talk:Autoboty|talk]]) 05:18, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:"expires 21:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)". It's only 6:30 am on the East Coast. Not many have had a chance to see it yet... - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 06:26, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:For Christ's sake, would it kill people to just wait a few days and then add information? This does not need to be immediately added; in fact, it's better that it's not, because it gives you time to write up a concise summary. Just...chill. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:01, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:The article is unlocked now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:03, 21 December 2018 (EST)

== New universe ==
Since the new film is clearly settled in a new continuity, should we move the new informations of the characters in a separate section in their own pages or create totally new pages ? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:Same page, we would only make a new page if it's a new continuity family. There is also a discussion on how to tackle the Bee movie [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The Bumblebee Movie|here]]. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:26, 22 December 2018 (EST)

== Caption theme for this film? ==
So what is it this time around? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 00:33, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:It has been Bee Movie so far, don’t know if it’s going to change [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 00:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Bee Movie. There can be only one. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:01, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::''Hey, I've never seen the Bee Movie. I had no clue!'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:::I hear it made a real buzz at the box office! - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:04, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::::I will kill you. --[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:05, 28 January 2019 (EST)

== Sector Seven's "first contact" ==
The Sector Seven unit seen in the film calls the entire Bumblebee/Blitzwing fight, and later the meeting with Shatter and Dropkick as "first contact", which seems to imply that this is the first time that Sector Seven has seen Cybertronians. But as we know, at that point in time, Megatron and the Allspark are very clearly in possession of S7. Currently, this is stated to be a continuity error... But is there a chance that the Unit involved under Burns doesn't know of the entire story behind Megatron? Remember, in TF1, Banachek, said that the entire footage acquired from Transformers was deemed "beyond Top Secret." Using real-life Top Secrecy protocols, it isn't hard to imagine that even S7 wouldn't tell their field teams what was going on in their secret base, either A. because they simply don't have to know, or B. in case of interrogation, the soldiers can't tell anything useful.

The same can be said of allowing Shatter and Dropkick inside Hoover Dam: the field team could know the HQ, but wouldn't know the entirety of the story. And of course, the files that Shatter/Dropkick search through could be doctored, with some sensitive information removed or placed behind bars, allowing access but keeping some of the files a secrecy. Traces of Cybertronian-originated tech inside the files could simply be replaced with the cover-up stories S7 has used before, possibly even to the field teams.

Just a theory based on real-life protocols, and some careful speculation.

[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 07:34, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Given they cut a scene they filmed showing frozen ('''G1''') Megatron, they may or may not have Megs and the Allspark in the *Bumblebee* continuity. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:05, 27 December 2018 (EST)

:Admittedly it's been a while since I watched the 2007 film, but Megs was (a) found frozen (and offline?) and (b) kept frozen (and offline?), right? So they can still have him in the freezer and consider this first contact, because it was the first ''actual'' contact, with the words and the talking. Like many things with continuity between these movies, I think it can work if you squint. A lot. --[[User:Guntrip|Guntrip]] ([[User talk:Guntrip|talk]]) 05:54, 28 December 2018 (EST)
::If I were Sector 7, I would not consider Megatron's body to be first contact. And as Travis Knight made clear in interviews, Megatron does not cameo in this film because he is meant to be frozen at the Hoover Dam when the film is set. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 12:39, 28 December 2018 (EST)

== Bumblebee's potential design change ==
Wasn't 100% sure if this was noteworthy enough to add, so I figured I'd bring it up here first. The more complex toys, namely the Studio Series and Masterpiece figures, depict Bumblebee as having the traditional "car wings"- this is an element that is present in some promotional material as well, specifically with [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/92/ed/6e92edad8057c2a68dee54513fd80a59.jpg Entenmann's products showing Bee with his "wings"], leading me to believe it was a minor design change late into the game and not the result of general kibble. In the final film, as far as I can recall, his doors are just folded onto his back to give him a cleaner look. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:37, 4 January 2019 (EST)

== Cliffjumper's cameo ==
So I could just start a revert war, because 'NO' isn't a real persuasive argument, but I'll do this instead, 'cause I think I got a solid case.

In the last 20+ years of Transformers lore, Cliffjumper is famous for one thing and one thing only: showing up as a named, headlining character in a flagship TV show, only to be captured, interrogated and brutally murdered within minutes of his debut. This is ''by far'' the most distinctive and memorable thing the mythos-arc character of Cliffjumper has done. You gotta go back 35 years to him calling people traitor to find something similarly definitive.

Now for the movie scene on whatever moon it was, the writers could have chosen ''literally any character''. They coulda put Huffer or Gears or Cosmos or Windcharger or Blurr or Outback or a generic or ''anybody'' in that scene, but no. When they needed a character to be captured, interrogated, act defiant and get shockingly killed, they went to the one character whose ''defining trait'' is that he was ''captured, interrogated, acted defiant and got shockingly killed''.

If that seems like a reach, the bigger reach is saying that they just landed on that character ''totally by coincidence''; that out of 18 '84 Autobots and dozens of subsequent ones available, they just. so. happened. to pick that one, ''without'' being aware of his recent history. I don't buy that.

Now if we've heard from the scriptwriters or whoever added that character in there that, whoa, hey, wow, we had no idea that was a thing!, then that's different; but y'all gotta show me the money. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 12:46, 7 January 2019 (EST)
: Conversely, the interrogation scenes are different enough (Prime Cliffjumper gets his spark crushed, BB Cliffjumper is bisected) that I'd need to see it from the the scriptwriters that it was intentional. And being honest, I'm willing to be the reason why Cliffjumper was chosen to die was because he's about 95% the same model as Bumblebee's Cybertronian form, and thus was easy to do instead of some other all new guy.

: All in all, sometimes a similar scene is just a similar scene. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:42, 7 January 2019 (EST)

::I also call bull on the notion that Cliffjumper's "defining trait" is "get shockingly killed". On top of that, it further strains credibility of the claim to have just this one singular non-G1 non-movie reference out of aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the past-TF references in the movie, especially when, as noted, it involves a recycled model for a scene that would almost certainly predate the reshoots and added Cybertron footage. In a movie where they actually re-create specific shots from the old animation, you'd think they'd have done that there too if they were actually making the reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:04, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:Rob, they used Cliffjumper because Cliffjumper can use the same Cybertronian body that they already modeled for Bumblebee. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 14:16, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:: Fair enough, outvoted etc.
:: Not sure this comment works as an explanation, though. Of course they reskinned a model where it was an option, but they coulda reskinned anybody. They coulda killed off Bluestreak or Smokescreen or Outback or an obscurity or a generic. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 18:11, 8 January 2019 (EST)
::: The expanded Cybertronian scenes were a later addition, and so Bumblebee's Cybertronian mode was likely available much sooner. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:34, 8 January 2019 (EST)

Even if the authors didn't intend it, it still happened. We're the ones who spot the similarities and I'm on board with noting it on the page, though using phrases like "...is similar to..." as opposed to "...is inspired by...". Same thing goes with "homage," which assumes deliberate planning. Two things can resemble each other either on purpose or by accident, it's still fair to point out the resemblence. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:54, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:That's always been something we've ''actively'' avoided doing. We even have a template for it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:06, 7 January 2019 (EST)
::And I quote...
{{Notareference}}
::-- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:24, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:::Yeah, we are not filling up our references sections with things that we merely find similar. That's not what the references section is for. That's why we have the template. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:27, 7 January 2019 (EST)

==Seekers==
It says dirge is in the film, the only conehead you see clearly (and even has a pic on this site) is green. Also, the purple seeker on Cybertron resembles slipstream in colors more than it does Skywarp. Hell, it probably isn’t even either character, just a generic. I think we should remove the seekers names from the characters list besides starscream, as the others aren’t named. While starscream isn’t named in the film, the shots on Cybertron resemble his g1 self and he is the closest standing to shockwave in the scene with the green cone head. Starscream, Soundwave, and shockwave are all Megatrons generals, so it would make sense for them to be together with Megatron being gone. As far as I’m aware, starscream is the only seeker that can be safely associated with an established character. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 09:14, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Scroll down to Notes section. There's a reference to an EW article saying all the G1 characters in the opening Cybertron scene. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)
::I'm not sure how reliable that source is in this case. They can't spell Chris Latta. They state that the instructions for the coneheads were changed, when they were not. Various paragraphs mix the old toys and the new movies in confusing ways. And the quotation used to support Dirge's presence does not actually include his name, that is added by the author of the article and could be either saying that the specific conehead Dirge is in the movie or simply giving an example of a conehead from past fiction without saying what the names of any coneheads in the movie are (or even if they are named). Honestly, the writer needs to return not just the paycheck they received for that article, but also any and all diplomas, degrees, and certifications of education that they may have received. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:48, 10 January 2019 (EST)

So we can remove them from the list except starscream? He is thus far the only one who has enough to be inferred who he is. Just because he is named doesn’t mean it’s not him, shockwave goes unnamed in the film. See my first post if you are unaware of my reasoning. Sincerely [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 15:29, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Shockwave is named in the credits, by the way. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:23, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Thrust are explicitly named in the ILM visual development page (https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece/). Thus, I'd assume that there has been confirmation on their identities. [[User:Ed|Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed|talk]]) 02:31, 20 May 2019 (EDT)
:Dude, you're responding to a 4 month old thread. We are aware of the ILM source. We discussed it over a month ago in the section "Entertainment Weekly". But, given the fact that all of those mentioned there show up in MULTIPLE copies, the specific characters cannot be said to be in this film. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:10, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

== Shatter/Dropkick tracking Bumblebee error. ==
(First post here forgive me if I'm doing this wrong)

So I was reading the error section for this movie specifically how it claims that Shatter and Dropkick were tasked with tracking down B-127, while they do that after they detect his signal while interrogating Cliffjumper I didn't see anything in the film that indicated that they were hunting down Bumblebee specifically before that moment, since they were trying to find Prime it seems more likely that the two Decepticons were just tracking down and interrogating any Autobot they could for Prime's location and so happen to be near Bee while they were interrogating Cliffjumper, although this is just a theory perhaps they were tracking down Autobots this exact way with finding one and detecting signals of other Autobots and repeat the procedure until they find Cliff, again this part is just a theory but regardless nothing in the film indicates that the two Decepticons were looking for Bumblebee specifically prior to the Autobot beaming his signal.

The Blitzwing part however is fine and correct since it isn't explained how he was already there, either he was already on Earth (I mean he is a Seeker and maybe Seekers seek other worlds which is what they did in ROTF although they are presumably separate from the more classic versions in this movie) or he took off after Bumblebee's pod immediately after they launched whether specifically looking for Bee or was chasing his pod by chance. Although those are theories and not fact. --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 7:30, 12 January 2019 (EST)
:Yeah, I don't think the error as listed is correct. Shatter and Dropkick are hunting for Optimus, they happen to be interrogating Cliffjumper when they detect Bumblebee's signal and they go to find Bumblebee on the hunch he'll be more willing to talk. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:05, 23 January 2019 (EST)

== Just an idea ==
I don't know if there is a way we could do this but could we take a poll on whether people like the Bumblebee designs or the original movieverse designs better? Please don't hate me for this. I'm new here.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:09, 28 January 2019 (EST)
:TFWiki isn't the place for "social" stuff, that would be better suited for a Transformers discussion forum. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:54, 28 January 2019 (EST)

==Bumblebee's Place in Continuity==
It seems Hasbro referred to Bumblebee as [https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/02/16/transformers-brand-info-from-new-york-toy-fair-2019-fan-media-panel-hasbrotoyfair-383106 "a new storytelling universe" at the ToyFair panel over the weekend]. Now admittedly this statement is rather vague, but the general idea seems to imply the film is now a reboot, not a prequel to the Michael Bay franchise. I'm aware of the mass discussions in regards to the film's continuity prior to release, and I don't mean to dredge up old arguments, but I think this statement is atleast worth discussing. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:17, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:I don't see any point in discussing this until after the next movie.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:48, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:Christ, can people tamp down their continuity deckchair-shuffling boners for like three consecutive seconds. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 17 February 2019 (EST)
::I guess you can say it's ''pretty hard?'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:43, 17 February 2019 (EST)
: Is [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/travis-knight-talks-edits-continuity-and-turning-people-into-goo-in-new-interview/43204/ this good enough]? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:42, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

==Bumblebee Universal Designation==
Since the Bumblebee movie has been confirmed to be a reboot, and was obviously a new timeline in the first place, I propose we call the BB movie universe: Tyran 018.21 Delta. --[[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] 15:03, 15 March 2019 (EST)
:We've already discussed this, including right above your post. The statement they made was too vague to actually pull anything definitive from, so we're not making any calls about whether the movie is a prequel or reboot (and therefore requires a new designation) until we know what the next movie is. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::Also the movie is blatantly made to work either way (with allowances for how shoddy inter-film continuity is for the whole enterprise). If new movies do their own thing, that doesn't actually change how they approached and made this movie. And we're not using TT stream designations for anything anyway. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:32, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
:::That too. Unless something gets mentioned in future TransTech fiction (assuming there even is any), you probably won't see any new universal streams added to the wiki going forward. (Note that we don't have one for Cyberverse either.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:38, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::::I don't see how it is vague. It was clearly confirmed to be a reboot. --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:36, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::No, it wasn't. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Aside from any of that, [[Sector 7 Adventures: The Battle at Half Dome]] is tied to this movie and the previous ones. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:43, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

==Battletrap homage==
There's a note that states that Dropkick is an homage to Battletrap's appearance in "Cybertron's Most Wanted." Is there any evidence to back this up (say Travis Knight saying so like how he said Shatter is based on Nightbird), or is it just speculative? Because I don't remember hearing Mr. Knight saying anything about Dropkick's design. [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 10:57, 23 March 2019 (EDT)

== Entertainment Weekly ==
"An Entertainment Weekly article confirms some of the background characters in the scene set on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].<ref>[https://ew.com/movies/2018/12/22/bumblebee-spoilers-classic-transformers-opening-battle/2/ EW article on the Cybertron scene]</ref> "
Given all the errors in that article, I am tempted to just remove this from the page. How can we claim that it confirms anything when it gets so much wrong about the past? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:30, 24 March 2019 (EDT)
:I've pulled the note and removed the Seekers (other than Starscream) from the list. Find a source that is competent before re-adding. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:49, 27 March 2019 (EDT)
::[https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece From the horse's mouth.] Slide 28 concretely identifies them as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:49, 2 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Okay, that I can accept as a reliable source. The EW article I wouldn't even take as evidence for how to spell Entertainment Weekly, it was THAT bad.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:38, 4 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I wanna say that while obviously those Seeker colors were inspired by a few of the named Seekers over the years including being labeled as such in the concept art, I doubt those Seekers in the opening were those characters themselves only because the colors are reused for multiple Seekers, for example there are multiple "Thundercrackers" including the one Optimus pummels and the one Bumblebee knocks out of the way in vehicle mode before he knocks over and kills one of the many "Skywarps" in the scene, although it's possible any of these Seekers are indeed Skywarp,Thundercracker,Thrust,etc I'm not sure if that was the intent at the end, The colors I saw while watching a 4k version of the scene just today were besides the Thundercracker,Skywarp,Thrust ones there were the ROTF Dirge looking ones as well as an orange kind of Sunstorm Seeker that Bumblebee kicks a Skywarp head at and shortly before hand a mostly red Seeker in the background during the part where Bee knocks over two Seekers and finally there is a couple Seekers that uses Blitzwing's color scheme one of such is one of the Seekers that Prime shoots in the flashback and another is one of the many Seekers charging Prime at the end of the scene, funnily enough that one was right beside Shatter and Dropkick so that one might very well be Blitzwing himself but probably a coincidence, This fan made scale chart by Red Goblin (He's a very talented guy, I actually think he has some access or other to ILM renders, either that or he's really good at piecing together renders) while not an official source (probably) is a good film accurate showing of what colors were in the film. https://i.postimg.cc/2kRxjk5B/bumblebeeccons.png --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 5:46, 4 April 2019 (EST)

==pics==
I get why all the pics are of the bot scenes...but shouldn't Charlie be in a few? Swapping the final image for example from one at the bridge to Prime and Bee seems to run counter to the fact that she's the the primary protagonist. {{unsigned|Eire}}
:I agree. At the moment the selection of screencaps is giving a completely inaccurate impression of the film. We have more screeencaps featuring Soundwave than we do of Charlie (and the one that does is just the back of her head). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

== Digital comic ==
Question: the recent comic (Sector 7 adventures: the battle at half dome) released with the dvd has many elements that connect Bumblebee movie with the 2007 Transformers movie (like Banachek, Simmons's S7 t-shirt, Soundwave looking for the AllSpark, Megatron frozen etc...); so can we add those informations in this page? [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:That information would be better suited to a Battle at Half Dome page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:04, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::Yes, I know I know, but what I was saying is that (for example) in the section "continuity notes" there is written that the S7 doesn't know the Cybertronians and there is also written a supposition that project Iceman is so secret that only a small portion of employees knows about it. I asked if there could be done a link saying these theory is supported by the comic. [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:::Probably not. I guarantee you the scriptwriters were not thinking about any comic adaptations when the movie was being written; in its own self-contained context, there is no explanation. Besides, if there's anything we've learned from the Bumblebee Prequel, it's that the events of a comic tie-in can't be treated as lining up precisely with, or having any influence on, movie canon. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:23, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Ok thanks. {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:::::Just one last question: if what you're saying is true, why in Bumblebee's notes (character, not movie I mean) about his arrival on earth is made mention to the IDW comics? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
::::::Character articles cover all of a character's appearances in all works of fiction, even when they're incompatible with one another. Hence why the "IDW Comics" section is placed separately on the page from the "Movies" section. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:51, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
:::::::OK Thanks

== Escape Pods/Protoform ==
Does anyone else notice the Escape pods resemble the protoform reentry modes of the Michael Bay Movies? Would it be alright if I made a note of that in the Trivia section of the Protoform' page? Or is only having minor resemblance not conclusive evidence enough to make a note of it in the trivia section of that Protoform' page?

== The movie is no longer a prequel, it's a reboot ==

When the movie finally came out, it was declared to be a reboot officially. Shouldn't the page be altered to reflect that? Here is at least one source: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/streaming-june-2020-netflix-disney-plus-hulu-hbo-max/ --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:Please read the ''Bumblebee'' section on this page: [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers]]. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:45, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::Also, Bumblebee isn't even mentioned on that page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:12, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Transformers isn't mentioned on that page, either. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::::I assume they meant to link to [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/bumblebee-official-transformers-reboot-hasbro/ this], which is simply re-reporting the "new storytelling universe" quote which is already covered on the page Escargon linked to. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::And, even if it were completely out of continuity with the previous films, I can't see it as being separate enough to warrant splitting pages. It would still seem to fall in the same continuity family and would be covered on the pre-existing movie-verse pages just as the many separate G1 universes are covered on the same pages (barring splits for length). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:07, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

== so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? ==

Like, in the 2007 movie prequel comic, he lost his voice to Megatron before chasing after the allspark. Why did Travis change it? Mikey. 17:32, 10 November 2020 (EST)Mikey. 17:03, 10 November 2020 (EST)
::The 2007 movie prequel comic is a part of the IDW Movie universe which in turn is a splinter timeline consisting only of the first 3 films. AOE, TLK and Bumblebee are not in anyway related to the IDW movie comics. Plus, we still need to wait and see if Bumblebee is even part of the same film continuity or whether it is an official reboot.

::Also, please sign your name using 4 of the ~ symbols, it automatically codes it with your user link and makes the timestamp accurate :) [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 17:18, 10 November 2020 (EST)
:::okay? But.. um... age of extinction and the last knight NEVER contradicted the comics, so they should still be canon to the main 5 movies timeline. Hell, age of extinction and the last knight DIDN'T mention that bumblebee losing his voice was a different cause, so why change it? I'm sorry, but to me, the comics are more connected then the bee movie. (Also, I'm new here, so I may have gotten this stuff wrong, sorry.) Mikey. 17:37, 10 November 2020 (EST) 17:37, 10 November 2020 (EST) 17:32, 10 November 2020 (EST)

Talk:Bumblebee (film)

2020-11-10T22:37:52Z

Michael dunlap.: /* so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? */

[[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers#Bumblebee|NOT CALLING IT A REBOOT]]. WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MOVIE.
==Lawsuit?==
So Hasbro just filed a Lawsuit with DC Comics for the Bumblebee Name. [http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/bumblebee-trademark-transformers-dc-comics-warner-bros-1202541577/] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 04:45, 30 August 2017 (EDT)
:Ah no wait, it's over. DC & Hasbro are cool. [http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/08/17/the-battle-of-the-bumblebees-is-over-hasbro-and-dc-comics-settle-bumblebee-trademark-dispute-370180] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 19:22, 11 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream==
Should Starscream be in the cast list here, when we've not actually had any official announcement/confirmation that the character in the trailer is him? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:58, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
:Nope. --[[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 01:11, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::Aw, come on! Its quite obviously supposed to be starscream, the head design is a slightly more g1-ifies version of michael bay starscream. The colors of the jet (what can be seen of it) are starscream colors, red air intakes, white nose area, and even a orange cockpit. It is highly unlikely this starscream homage isnt him, its clearly a more g1-ified version of michael bay starscream. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:13, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:::It's not uncommon for [[Blackout (Movie)|movie]] [[Grindor (ROTF)|characters]] to [[Crankcase (DOTM)|not]] [[Berserker|be]] who you think they are. Until Starscream is officially confirmed, we gotta play it safe. [[User:Ikkad|Ikkad]] ([[User talk:Ikkad|talk]]) 14:14, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::: Only one [[Barricade (Movie)|decepticon]] has been confirmed for the movie. Starscream has not been confirmed yet. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 19:34, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Get rekt, it’s confirmed as screamer now! [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 08:24, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
:The rudeness is hardly necessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:51, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, I meant it in a friendlier manner. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:53, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

The reason they had to make an official announcement was because you people kept speculating that it wasn't Starscream when it blattantly was. It's a soft reboot. He doesn't have to turn into a Dorito F-22 to be the same character. This has been common knowledge for months.[[User:Leo1452|King Kid]] ([[User talk:Leo1452|talk]]) 12:03, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
:Well I for one have always enjoyed crow when topped with a little (Whataburger) ketchup. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:55, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

This just in: That Scream is now Blitzwing. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:48, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:...that just in literally a month ago hence my last comment above. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 20:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

== /* Timeline and Continuity */ ==
This movie is a reboot because if not they should find the way to explain how Bumblebee fought in the WW2, because this movie is supposedly to be the first time Bumblebee came to Earth--[[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:29, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Can somebody edit in the fact that this is now officially a reboot since Hasbro has now officially confirmed it? [[User:DrXshock|DrXshock]] ([[User talk:DrXshock|talk]]) 17:51, 17 February 2019 (EST) 22:50, 17 February 2019 (GMT)
==toyline?==
Is there a toyline? I know the movie has a while to release, but we knew about titans return about a year before release. Why do t we know about this toyline?
[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

There might be. I have seen pictures showing a prototype of a volkswagen beetle Bumblebee ( redeco from TLK new bumblebee ) [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:29, 10 June 2018 (EDT

:The toyline will be absorbed into ''Studio Series.'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
==Is this really a reboot?==
I have heard that the reboot is cancelled, but the past events in the movies just don't match up.
Bumblebee went to earth with Hot Rod and fought in world war 2 (ww2) there. Instead the movie shows bumblebee's first time on earth.
So is this a start to the reboot or just a confusing event in the Bayformers Movies? [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
:Dude, it really doesn't matter right now, the movie isn't out yet. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

==bumblebee design==
Is it me, or does bumblebee kinda look like the cancelled alternators g1 bumblebee? If anyone else picks up on this, should we put it in the (currently nonexistent) trivia area that his design is possibly an homage to said toy? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:55, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

==female Decepticon==
A youtuber, AndySupreme99, claims that he saw the trailer at Cinemacon. He says that there is a female Decepticon. Have any of you seen the trailer he mentioned?
:We obviously know now that this was referring to Shatter, but for the record, we need a better source than "This YouTuber says..." next time. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:19, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

==new characters confirmed==
The director has confirmed that Cliffjumper, Soundwave and Shockwave will be on Cybertron. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 06:53, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:Source? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:47, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
::When I googled, I found a bunch of excited fan videos pointing back to a wordpress blog which mentioned Travis Knight in terms of his appearance at San Diego Comic Con, and then launched into a bunch of other details that were not obviously sourced to anything Knight said. I don't think we should be inclined to add them based on that. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

::Now we all know that it is true because of the second trailer, but we should get an official source first next time instead of info from a fan made video. [[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:38, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

== Can we not add pages for background randos who may or may not be characters? ==
Have people already forgotten when everyone though Blitzwing was actually Starscream? We shouldn't be saying Acid Storm is in the film, when there's the possibility that the green dude might well turn out to be a completely new character. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:38, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
:Sorry, I should've probably just waited or not do it at all instead of telling people to delete if they didn't like it. But I didn't think it would be taken to this extent where pages were being made. Once again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:09, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
::The first rule of wikis is that if there is a red link, *somebody* is gonna fill it. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 01:29, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream Part 2==
This fits better here than on Bltizwing's article's talk page, where I'd posted it first:

''We're swiftly disabused of that notion thanks to a barrage of familiar faces including Decepticon premiereship players Shockwave, Starscream and Blitzwing, all in their original, first generation forms.''

This is obviously an incorrect take on the trailer, as Blitzwing is assuredly not there in his "original, first generation form." We therefore can't take the article's identification of Starscream as definitive, especially given that this isn't the first time we've seen a Starscream-looking dude in a trailer, and he turned out named something else. Note that Starscream is not mentioned in any of the article's direct quotes of Travis Knight. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:I understand what you mean, but in the background of the Shockwave shot, we see a bot that looks different than Blitzwing, and has more similarities to Starscream. We can especially tell because the international trailer shows us Blitzwing's body. If this ends being Blitzwing ''too'' (for some reason) than sure. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::We cannot positively ID that guy as Starscream at this point, certainly not based on a sentence that contains at least one clear error. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:37, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Blitzwing being in his Generation One style form can just be the error, and that's it. And besides, if Starscream wasnt in the actual movie, wouldn't you think they would've scrubbed his name by now? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:49, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::A version of G1 Blitzwing does not appear in the trailer, and that mistaken impression by the author has not been corrected. That mistake renders the sentence unreliable. The author thinks that one Seeker on Cybertron is Starscream, and maybe it is, but we've been down the "this Seeker-looking dude is clearly Starscream" road once already, and we know how that turned out. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:58, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::One incorrect part of a sentence doesn't cancel out the whole sentence. It is true that Shockwave and other characters appear in their G1 style bodies. Let's get at a compromise. If the movie comes out and that Seeker in the background isn't Starscream, then, we remove it. But for now we keep it so we can remember. Dealio? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::No. What? No. When the movie comes out this'll all be moot. We're talking about what our articles are presenting to readers right now as confirmed facts about an upcoming release. And actually, yes, that one error does make the whole sentence unreliable, as it auggests that it's just the author's impression of the trailer and not info from an actual production source. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 19:13, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, let's just delete the Starscream stuff for now and see what happens. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:04, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Fine. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:17, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
Welp, looks like the new, short featurette made this guy look EVEN more like Starscream. By the way, I have "Starscream" hidden along with the other background bots; if the movie comes out, and it turns out this isn't Blitzwing or anyone else, then we can probably un-hide him, along with everyone else. Guess we'll find out soon! [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:48, 5 December 2018 (EST)

== Mr. Bee caption ==
I really don't care for it, but the context of that caption is that it's from the Bee Movie during the trial scene with Barry Vs. The Human Race. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:03, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:I know what it's from, I just think it's gross.
:Also Sipher removed it once already, and he's an admin, so. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 11:15, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
::Yeah, I totally agree. Just figured I might add some context. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:07, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:::Good news, its been taken care of in the form of the famous "You like Jazz?" [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 18:29, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

== Officialy Confirmed Characters ==
Recently characters like Arcee,Cliffjumper, Ratchet and Starscream were confirmed in an official featurette. Should we add them?[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:17, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:I feel like at this point we can afford to wait three weeks for the film to actually come out before adding tons of characters to the cast list. We've previously had shots of characters in trailers/preview material which have not been in the finished film. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:28, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::Besides, just because someone looks like a character doesn't mean they actually are. Remember "Starscream"? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:30, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::If the "featurette" is the video linked here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFv6JVFApk Bumblebee - First Generation Design - Paramount Pictures UK], there is nothing in that video that confirms those characters. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:46, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::::Seems to be referencing this TFW2005 article about that featurette http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/11/27/transformers-bumblebee-designing-g1-featurette-jointhebuzz-377449 Which includes some blurry screenshots with background characters circled. Which is not confirmation of who these characters are, especially since you can barely see them. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:57, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::::'''EDIT:''' Yeah, that. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 27 November 2018 (EST)

==The novel==
Warning: Spoilers!

The movie novel confirms that there is one more human character named Sheriff Lock who chases Bee and the humans in a tunnel before Bee damages his cop car by jumping on the hood. We should add him because this is from an official source.[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 11:00, 29 November 2018 (EST)
: Characters in novelizations don't always show up in the movie itself. There's no rush; we can wait a few weeks. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:02, 29 November 2018 (EST)

== The Hoover Dam in the Trailer. ==
This may be useless information, but it could also be of some interest to some.
I was born in Las Vegas and have lived here for most of my life.....I was born in the 70's BTW.
Anyways as a kid (and even now) I loved going to the Hoover Dam, so I know a bit about it's appearance throughout the years and decades.
So the movie takes place in 1988 right?
If that is the case the way the Dam looked in the trailer (I believe it was in the second trailer) is not correct for the time period.
The parking structure and new visitors center that can be seen on the west (Nevada) side the Dam in the trailer was built (added) in the mid 90's.
I did try to find some sample pics from the 80's online, but could not find any that were stamped for that time period. But I do have two post cards from my personal collection that I did get around that time, that shows how the Hoover Dam would appear in 1988. (I can send pics of them if need be).
So like I said this is not really important info about the movie, but I thought it should at least be said and addressed, you know for the whole "real world" "continuity" section or something. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 04:55, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I would suggest waiting until after the film is released before adding any real-world comparisons like that, so as to make sure it accurately reflects the final version. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:11, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I agree and that does makes sense, because they may change it, or perhaps the scene takes place at some other time period in the film, when I do see the movie I will let you know if it still is an issue. [[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 01:35, 5 December 2018 (EST)
:I just wanted to give a follow up to this subject that I began in the first place. I finally saw the movie, which was awesome BTW, and it seems that the shot of the Dam that was used in the trailer was NOT used in the final film, and the shot that was seemed to be done in such a way to not show any of those structures that I mentioned as being built after the 80's. So I have to say they (the director and editor) did a pretty decent job. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 03:04, 4 January 2019 (EST)

==thundercracker==
I’m not sure if it’s just a generic or not, but there’s a seeker colored suspiciously like thundercracker. Does anyone else think it’s thundercracker or is it just me? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 16:35, 14 December 2018 (EST)
:Dude, just wait a WEEK and you can find out for sure. Geez, what is this obsession people have with playing "wow, that blur in the background looks kind of like random character number 382. If I squint."?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:24, 14 December 2018 (EST)

==Open editing please?==
When will regular users be able to edit this? The movie's already out... [[User:Autoboty|Autoboty]] ([[User talk:Autoboty|talk]]) 05:18, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:"expires 21:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)". It's only 6:30 am on the East Coast. Not many have had a chance to see it yet... - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 06:26, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:For Christ's sake, would it kill people to just wait a few days and then add information? This does not need to be immediately added; in fact, it's better that it's not, because it gives you time to write up a concise summary. Just...chill. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:01, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:The article is unlocked now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:03, 21 December 2018 (EST)

== New universe ==
Since the new film is clearly settled in a new continuity, should we move the new informations of the characters in a separate section in their own pages or create totally new pages ? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:Same page, we would only make a new page if it's a new continuity family. There is also a discussion on how to tackle the Bee movie [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The Bumblebee Movie|here]]. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:26, 22 December 2018 (EST)

== Caption theme for this film? ==
So what is it this time around? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 00:33, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:It has been Bee Movie so far, don’t know if it’s going to change [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 00:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Bee Movie. There can be only one. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:01, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::''Hey, I've never seen the Bee Movie. I had no clue!'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:::I hear it made a real buzz at the box office! - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:04, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::::I will kill you. --[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:05, 28 January 2019 (EST)

== Sector Seven's "first contact" ==
The Sector Seven unit seen in the film calls the entire Bumblebee/Blitzwing fight, and later the meeting with Shatter and Dropkick as "first contact", which seems to imply that this is the first time that Sector Seven has seen Cybertronians. But as we know, at that point in time, Megatron and the Allspark are very clearly in possession of S7. Currently, this is stated to be a continuity error... But is there a chance that the Unit involved under Burns doesn't know of the entire story behind Megatron? Remember, in TF1, Banachek, said that the entire footage acquired from Transformers was deemed "beyond Top Secret." Using real-life Top Secrecy protocols, it isn't hard to imagine that even S7 wouldn't tell their field teams what was going on in their secret base, either A. because they simply don't have to know, or B. in case of interrogation, the soldiers can't tell anything useful.

The same can be said of allowing Shatter and Dropkick inside Hoover Dam: the field team could know the HQ, but wouldn't know the entirety of the story. And of course, the files that Shatter/Dropkick search through could be doctored, with some sensitive information removed or placed behind bars, allowing access but keeping some of the files a secrecy. Traces of Cybertronian-originated tech inside the files could simply be replaced with the cover-up stories S7 has used before, possibly even to the field teams.

Just a theory based on real-life protocols, and some careful speculation.

[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 07:34, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Given they cut a scene they filmed showing frozen ('''G1''') Megatron, they may or may not have Megs and the Allspark in the *Bumblebee* continuity. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:05, 27 December 2018 (EST)

:Admittedly it's been a while since I watched the 2007 film, but Megs was (a) found frozen (and offline?) and (b) kept frozen (and offline?), right? So they can still have him in the freezer and consider this first contact, because it was the first ''actual'' contact, with the words and the talking. Like many things with continuity between these movies, I think it can work if you squint. A lot. --[[User:Guntrip|Guntrip]] ([[User talk:Guntrip|talk]]) 05:54, 28 December 2018 (EST)
::If I were Sector 7, I would not consider Megatron's body to be first contact. And as Travis Knight made clear in interviews, Megatron does not cameo in this film because he is meant to be frozen at the Hoover Dam when the film is set. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 12:39, 28 December 2018 (EST)

== Bumblebee's potential design change ==
Wasn't 100% sure if this was noteworthy enough to add, so I figured I'd bring it up here first. The more complex toys, namely the Studio Series and Masterpiece figures, depict Bumblebee as having the traditional "car wings"- this is an element that is present in some promotional material as well, specifically with [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/92/ed/6e92edad8057c2a68dee54513fd80a59.jpg Entenmann's products showing Bee with his "wings"], leading me to believe it was a minor design change late into the game and not the result of general kibble. In the final film, as far as I can recall, his doors are just folded onto his back to give him a cleaner look. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:37, 4 January 2019 (EST)

== Cliffjumper's cameo ==
So I could just start a revert war, because 'NO' isn't a real persuasive argument, but I'll do this instead, 'cause I think I got a solid case.

In the last 20+ years of Transformers lore, Cliffjumper is famous for one thing and one thing only: showing up as a named, headlining character in a flagship TV show, only to be captured, interrogated and brutally murdered within minutes of his debut. This is ''by far'' the most distinctive and memorable thing the mythos-arc character of Cliffjumper has done. You gotta go back 35 years to him calling people traitor to find something similarly definitive.

Now for the movie scene on whatever moon it was, the writers could have chosen ''literally any character''. They coulda put Huffer or Gears or Cosmos or Windcharger or Blurr or Outback or a generic or ''anybody'' in that scene, but no. When they needed a character to be captured, interrogated, act defiant and get shockingly killed, they went to the one character whose ''defining trait'' is that he was ''captured, interrogated, acted defiant and got shockingly killed''.

If that seems like a reach, the bigger reach is saying that they just landed on that character ''totally by coincidence''; that out of 18 '84 Autobots and dozens of subsequent ones available, they just. so. happened. to pick that one, ''without'' being aware of his recent history. I don't buy that.

Now if we've heard from the scriptwriters or whoever added that character in there that, whoa, hey, wow, we had no idea that was a thing!, then that's different; but y'all gotta show me the money. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 12:46, 7 January 2019 (EST)
: Conversely, the interrogation scenes are different enough (Prime Cliffjumper gets his spark crushed, BB Cliffjumper is bisected) that I'd need to see it from the the scriptwriters that it was intentional. And being honest, I'm willing to be the reason why Cliffjumper was chosen to die was because he's about 95% the same model as Bumblebee's Cybertronian form, and thus was easy to do instead of some other all new guy.

: All in all, sometimes a similar scene is just a similar scene. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:42, 7 January 2019 (EST)

::I also call bull on the notion that Cliffjumper's "defining trait" is "get shockingly killed". On top of that, it further strains credibility of the claim to have just this one singular non-G1 non-movie reference out of aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the past-TF references in the movie, especially when, as noted, it involves a recycled model for a scene that would almost certainly predate the reshoots and added Cybertron footage. In a movie where they actually re-create specific shots from the old animation, you'd think they'd have done that there too if they were actually making the reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:04, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:Rob, they used Cliffjumper because Cliffjumper can use the same Cybertronian body that they already modeled for Bumblebee. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 14:16, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:: Fair enough, outvoted etc.
:: Not sure this comment works as an explanation, though. Of course they reskinned a model where it was an option, but they coulda reskinned anybody. They coulda killed off Bluestreak or Smokescreen or Outback or an obscurity or a generic. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 18:11, 8 January 2019 (EST)
::: The expanded Cybertronian scenes were a later addition, and so Bumblebee's Cybertronian mode was likely available much sooner. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:34, 8 January 2019 (EST)

Even if the authors didn't intend it, it still happened. We're the ones who spot the similarities and I'm on board with noting it on the page, though using phrases like "...is similar to..." as opposed to "...is inspired by...". Same thing goes with "homage," which assumes deliberate planning. Two things can resemble each other either on purpose or by accident, it's still fair to point out the resemblence. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:54, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:That's always been something we've ''actively'' avoided doing. We even have a template for it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:06, 7 January 2019 (EST)
::And I quote...
{{Notareference}}
::-- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:24, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:::Yeah, we are not filling up our references sections with things that we merely find similar. That's not what the references section is for. That's why we have the template. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:27, 7 January 2019 (EST)

==Seekers==
It says dirge is in the film, the only conehead you see clearly (and even has a pic on this site) is green. Also, the purple seeker on Cybertron resembles slipstream in colors more than it does Skywarp. Hell, it probably isn’t even either character, just a generic. I think we should remove the seekers names from the characters list besides starscream, as the others aren’t named. While starscream isn’t named in the film, the shots on Cybertron resemble his g1 self and he is the closest standing to shockwave in the scene with the green cone head. Starscream, Soundwave, and shockwave are all Megatrons generals, so it would make sense for them to be together with Megatron being gone. As far as I’m aware, starscream is the only seeker that can be safely associated with an established character. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 09:14, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Scroll down to Notes section. There's a reference to an EW article saying all the G1 characters in the opening Cybertron scene. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)
::I'm not sure how reliable that source is in this case. They can't spell Chris Latta. They state that the instructions for the coneheads were changed, when they were not. Various paragraphs mix the old toys and the new movies in confusing ways. And the quotation used to support Dirge's presence does not actually include his name, that is added by the author of the article and could be either saying that the specific conehead Dirge is in the movie or simply giving an example of a conehead from past fiction without saying what the names of any coneheads in the movie are (or even if they are named). Honestly, the writer needs to return not just the paycheck they received for that article, but also any and all diplomas, degrees, and certifications of education that they may have received. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:48, 10 January 2019 (EST)

So we can remove them from the list except starscream? He is thus far the only one who has enough to be inferred who he is. Just because he is named doesn’t mean it’s not him, shockwave goes unnamed in the film. See my first post if you are unaware of my reasoning. Sincerely [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 15:29, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Shockwave is named in the credits, by the way. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:23, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Thrust are explicitly named in the ILM visual development page (https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece/). Thus, I'd assume that there has been confirmation on their identities. [[User:Ed|Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed|talk]]) 02:31, 20 May 2019 (EDT)
:Dude, you're responding to a 4 month old thread. We are aware of the ILM source. We discussed it over a month ago in the section "Entertainment Weekly". But, given the fact that all of those mentioned there show up in MULTIPLE copies, the specific characters cannot be said to be in this film. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:10, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

== Shatter/Dropkick tracking Bumblebee error. ==
(First post here forgive me if I'm doing this wrong)

So I was reading the error section for this movie specifically how it claims that Shatter and Dropkick were tasked with tracking down B-127, while they do that after they detect his signal while interrogating Cliffjumper I didn't see anything in the film that indicated that they were hunting down Bumblebee specifically before that moment, since they were trying to find Prime it seems more likely that the two Decepticons were just tracking down and interrogating any Autobot they could for Prime's location and so happen to be near Bee while they were interrogating Cliffjumper, although this is just a theory perhaps they were tracking down Autobots this exact way with finding one and detecting signals of other Autobots and repeat the procedure until they find Cliff, again this part is just a theory but regardless nothing in the film indicates that the two Decepticons were looking for Bumblebee specifically prior to the Autobot beaming his signal.

The Blitzwing part however is fine and correct since it isn't explained how he was already there, either he was already on Earth (I mean he is a Seeker and maybe Seekers seek other worlds which is what they did in ROTF although they are presumably separate from the more classic versions in this movie) or he took off after Bumblebee's pod immediately after they launched whether specifically looking for Bee or was chasing his pod by chance. Although those are theories and not fact. --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 7:30, 12 January 2019 (EST)
:Yeah, I don't think the error as listed is correct. Shatter and Dropkick are hunting for Optimus, they happen to be interrogating Cliffjumper when they detect Bumblebee's signal and they go to find Bumblebee on the hunch he'll be more willing to talk. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:05, 23 January 2019 (EST)

== Just an idea ==
I don't know if there is a way we could do this but could we take a poll on whether people like the Bumblebee designs or the original movieverse designs better? Please don't hate me for this. I'm new here.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:09, 28 January 2019 (EST)
:TFWiki isn't the place for "social" stuff, that would be better suited for a Transformers discussion forum. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:54, 28 January 2019 (EST)

==Bumblebee's Place in Continuity==
It seems Hasbro referred to Bumblebee as [https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/02/16/transformers-brand-info-from-new-york-toy-fair-2019-fan-media-panel-hasbrotoyfair-383106 "a new storytelling universe" at the ToyFair panel over the weekend]. Now admittedly this statement is rather vague, but the general idea seems to imply the film is now a reboot, not a prequel to the Michael Bay franchise. I'm aware of the mass discussions in regards to the film's continuity prior to release, and I don't mean to dredge up old arguments, but I think this statement is atleast worth discussing. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:17, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:I don't see any point in discussing this until after the next movie.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:48, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:Christ, can people tamp down their continuity deckchair-shuffling boners for like three consecutive seconds. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 17 February 2019 (EST)
::I guess you can say it's ''pretty hard?'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:43, 17 February 2019 (EST)
: Is [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/travis-knight-talks-edits-continuity-and-turning-people-into-goo-in-new-interview/43204/ this good enough]? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:42, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

==Bumblebee Universal Designation==
Since the Bumblebee movie has been confirmed to be a reboot, and was obviously a new timeline in the first place, I propose we call the BB movie universe: Tyran 018.21 Delta. --[[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] 15:03, 15 March 2019 (EST)
:We've already discussed this, including right above your post. The statement they made was too vague to actually pull anything definitive from, so we're not making any calls about whether the movie is a prequel or reboot (and therefore requires a new designation) until we know what the next movie is. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::Also the movie is blatantly made to work either way (with allowances for how shoddy inter-film continuity is for the whole enterprise). If new movies do their own thing, that doesn't actually change how they approached and made this movie. And we're not using TT stream designations for anything anyway. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:32, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
:::That too. Unless something gets mentioned in future TransTech fiction (assuming there even is any), you probably won't see any new universal streams added to the wiki going forward. (Note that we don't have one for Cyberverse either.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:38, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::::I don't see how it is vague. It was clearly confirmed to be a reboot. --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:36, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::No, it wasn't. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Aside from any of that, [[Sector 7 Adventures: The Battle at Half Dome]] is tied to this movie and the previous ones. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:43, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

==Battletrap homage==
There's a note that states that Dropkick is an homage to Battletrap's appearance in "Cybertron's Most Wanted." Is there any evidence to back this up (say Travis Knight saying so like how he said Shatter is based on Nightbird), or is it just speculative? Because I don't remember hearing Mr. Knight saying anything about Dropkick's design. [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 10:57, 23 March 2019 (EDT)

== Entertainment Weekly ==
"An Entertainment Weekly article confirms some of the background characters in the scene set on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].<ref>[https://ew.com/movies/2018/12/22/bumblebee-spoilers-classic-transformers-opening-battle/2/ EW article on the Cybertron scene]</ref> "
Given all the errors in that article, I am tempted to just remove this from the page. How can we claim that it confirms anything when it gets so much wrong about the past? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:30, 24 March 2019 (EDT)
:I've pulled the note and removed the Seekers (other than Starscream) from the list. Find a source that is competent before re-adding. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:49, 27 March 2019 (EDT)
::[https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece From the horse's mouth.] Slide 28 concretely identifies them as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:49, 2 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Okay, that I can accept as a reliable source. The EW article I wouldn't even take as evidence for how to spell Entertainment Weekly, it was THAT bad.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:38, 4 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I wanna say that while obviously those Seeker colors were inspired by a few of the named Seekers over the years including being labeled as such in the concept art, I doubt those Seekers in the opening were those characters themselves only because the colors are reused for multiple Seekers, for example there are multiple "Thundercrackers" including the one Optimus pummels and the one Bumblebee knocks out of the way in vehicle mode before he knocks over and kills one of the many "Skywarps" in the scene, although it's possible any of these Seekers are indeed Skywarp,Thundercracker,Thrust,etc I'm not sure if that was the intent at the end, The colors I saw while watching a 4k version of the scene just today were besides the Thundercracker,Skywarp,Thrust ones there were the ROTF Dirge looking ones as well as an orange kind of Sunstorm Seeker that Bumblebee kicks a Skywarp head at and shortly before hand a mostly red Seeker in the background during the part where Bee knocks over two Seekers and finally there is a couple Seekers that uses Blitzwing's color scheme one of such is one of the Seekers that Prime shoots in the flashback and another is one of the many Seekers charging Prime at the end of the scene, funnily enough that one was right beside Shatter and Dropkick so that one might very well be Blitzwing himself but probably a coincidence, This fan made scale chart by Red Goblin (He's a very talented guy, I actually think he has some access or other to ILM renders, either that or he's really good at piecing together renders) while not an official source (probably) is a good film accurate showing of what colors were in the film. https://i.postimg.cc/2kRxjk5B/bumblebeeccons.png --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 5:46, 4 April 2019 (EST)

==pics==
I get why all the pics are of the bot scenes...but shouldn't Charlie be in a few? Swapping the final image for example from one at the bridge to Prime and Bee seems to run counter to the fact that she's the the primary protagonist. {{unsigned|Eire}}
:I agree. At the moment the selection of screencaps is giving a completely inaccurate impression of the film. We have more screeencaps featuring Soundwave than we do of Charlie (and the one that does is just the back of her head). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

== Digital comic ==
Question: the recent comic (Sector 7 adventures: the battle at half dome) released with the dvd has many elements that connect Bumblebee movie with the 2007 Transformers movie (like Banachek, Simmons's S7 t-shirt, Soundwave looking for the AllSpark, Megatron frozen etc...); so can we add those informations in this page? [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:That information would be better suited to a Battle at Half Dome page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:04, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::Yes, I know I know, but what I was saying is that (for example) in the section "continuity notes" there is written that the S7 doesn't know the Cybertronians and there is also written a supposition that project Iceman is so secret that only a small portion of employees knows about it. I asked if there could be done a link saying these theory is supported by the comic. [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:::Probably not. I guarantee you the scriptwriters were not thinking about any comic adaptations when the movie was being written; in its own self-contained context, there is no explanation. Besides, if there's anything we've learned from the Bumblebee Prequel, it's that the events of a comic tie-in can't be treated as lining up precisely with, or having any influence on, movie canon. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:23, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Ok thanks. {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:::::Just one last question: if what you're saying is true, why in Bumblebee's notes (character, not movie I mean) about his arrival on earth is made mention to the IDW comics? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
::::::Character articles cover all of a character's appearances in all works of fiction, even when they're incompatible with one another. Hence why the "IDW Comics" section is placed separately on the page from the "Movies" section. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:51, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
:::::::OK Thanks

== Escape Pods/Protoform ==
Does anyone else notice the Escape pods resemble the protoform reentry modes of the Michael Bay Movies? Would it be alright if I made a note of that in the Trivia section of the Protoform' page? Or is only having minor resemblance not conclusive evidence enough to make a note of it in the trivia section of that Protoform' page?

== The movie is no longer a prequel, it's a reboot ==

When the movie finally came out, it was declared to be a reboot officially. Shouldn't the page be altered to reflect that? Here is at least one source: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/streaming-june-2020-netflix-disney-plus-hulu-hbo-max/ --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:Please read the ''Bumblebee'' section on this page: [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers]]. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:45, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::Also, Bumblebee isn't even mentioned on that page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:12, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Transformers isn't mentioned on that page, either. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::::I assume they meant to link to [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/bumblebee-official-transformers-reboot-hasbro/ this], which is simply re-reporting the "new storytelling universe" quote which is already covered on the page Escargon linked to. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::And, even if it were completely out of continuity with the previous films, I can't see it as being separate enough to warrant splitting pages. It would still seem to fall in the same continuity family and would be covered on the pre-existing movie-verse pages just as the many separate G1 universes are covered on the same pages (barring splits for length). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:07, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

== so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? ==

Like, in the 2007 movie prequel comic, he lost his voice to Megatron before chasing after the allspark. Why did Travis change it? Mikey. 17:32, 10 November 2020 (EST)Mikey. 17:03, 10 November 2020 (EST)
::The 2007 movie prequel comic is a part of the IDW Movie universe which in turn is a splinter timeline consisting only of the first 3 films. AOE, TLK and Bumblebee are not in anyway related to the IDW movie comics. Plus, we still need to wait and see if Bumblebee is even part of the same film continuity or whether it is an official reboot.

::Also, please sign your name using 4 of the ~ symbols, it automatically codes it with your user link and makes the timestamp accurate :) [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 17:18, 10 November 2020 (EST)
::okay? But.. um... age of extinction and the last knight NEVER contradicted the comics, so they should still be canon to the main 5 movies timeline. Hell, age of extinction and the last knight DIDN'T mention that bumblebee losing his voice was a different cause, so why change it? I'm sorry, but to me, the comics are more connected then the bee movie. (Also, I'm new here, so I may have gotten this stuff wrong, sorry.) Mikey. 17:37, 10 November 2020 (EST) 17:37, 10 November 2020 (EST) 17:32, 10 November 2020 (EST)

Talk:Bumblebee (film)

2020-11-10T22:37:23Z

Michael dunlap.: /* so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? */

[[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers#Bumblebee|NOT CALLING IT A REBOOT]]. WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MOVIE.
==Lawsuit?==
So Hasbro just filed a Lawsuit with DC Comics for the Bumblebee Name. [http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/bumblebee-trademark-transformers-dc-comics-warner-bros-1202541577/] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 04:45, 30 August 2017 (EDT)
:Ah no wait, it's over. DC & Hasbro are cool. [http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/08/17/the-battle-of-the-bumblebees-is-over-hasbro-and-dc-comics-settle-bumblebee-trademark-dispute-370180] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 19:22, 11 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream==
Should Starscream be in the cast list here, when we've not actually had any official announcement/confirmation that the character in the trailer is him? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:58, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
:Nope. --[[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 01:11, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::Aw, come on! Its quite obviously supposed to be starscream, the head design is a slightly more g1-ifies version of michael bay starscream. The colors of the jet (what can be seen of it) are starscream colors, red air intakes, white nose area, and even a orange cockpit. It is highly unlikely this starscream homage isnt him, its clearly a more g1-ified version of michael bay starscream. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:13, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:::It's not uncommon for [[Blackout (Movie)|movie]] [[Grindor (ROTF)|characters]] to [[Crankcase (DOTM)|not]] [[Berserker|be]] who you think they are. Until Starscream is officially confirmed, we gotta play it safe. [[User:Ikkad|Ikkad]] ([[User talk:Ikkad|talk]]) 14:14, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::: Only one [[Barricade (Movie)|decepticon]] has been confirmed for the movie. Starscream has not been confirmed yet. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 19:34, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Get rekt, it’s confirmed as screamer now! [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 08:24, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
:The rudeness is hardly necessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:51, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, I meant it in a friendlier manner. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:53, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

The reason they had to make an official announcement was because you people kept speculating that it wasn't Starscream when it blattantly was. It's a soft reboot. He doesn't have to turn into a Dorito F-22 to be the same character. This has been common knowledge for months.[[User:Leo1452|King Kid]] ([[User talk:Leo1452|talk]]) 12:03, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
:Well I for one have always enjoyed crow when topped with a little (Whataburger) ketchup. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:55, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

This just in: That Scream is now Blitzwing. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:48, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:...that just in literally a month ago hence my last comment above. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 20:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

== /* Timeline and Continuity */ ==
This movie is a reboot because if not they should find the way to explain how Bumblebee fought in the WW2, because this movie is supposedly to be the first time Bumblebee came to Earth--[[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:29, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Can somebody edit in the fact that this is now officially a reboot since Hasbro has now officially confirmed it? [[User:DrXshock|DrXshock]] ([[User talk:DrXshock|talk]]) 17:51, 17 February 2019 (EST) 22:50, 17 February 2019 (GMT)
==toyline?==
Is there a toyline? I know the movie has a while to release, but we knew about titans return about a year before release. Why do t we know about this toyline?
[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

There might be. I have seen pictures showing a prototype of a volkswagen beetle Bumblebee ( redeco from TLK new bumblebee ) [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:29, 10 June 2018 (EDT

:The toyline will be absorbed into ''Studio Series.'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
==Is this really a reboot?==
I have heard that the reboot is cancelled, but the past events in the movies just don't match up.
Bumblebee went to earth with Hot Rod and fought in world war 2 (ww2) there. Instead the movie shows bumblebee's first time on earth.
So is this a start to the reboot or just a confusing event in the Bayformers Movies? [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
:Dude, it really doesn't matter right now, the movie isn't out yet. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

==bumblebee design==
Is it me, or does bumblebee kinda look like the cancelled alternators g1 bumblebee? If anyone else picks up on this, should we put it in the (currently nonexistent) trivia area that his design is possibly an homage to said toy? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:55, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

==female Decepticon==
A youtuber, AndySupreme99, claims that he saw the trailer at Cinemacon. He says that there is a female Decepticon. Have any of you seen the trailer he mentioned?
:We obviously know now that this was referring to Shatter, but for the record, we need a better source than "This YouTuber says..." next time. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:19, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

==new characters confirmed==
The director has confirmed that Cliffjumper, Soundwave and Shockwave will be on Cybertron. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 06:53, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:Source? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:47, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
::When I googled, I found a bunch of excited fan videos pointing back to a wordpress blog which mentioned Travis Knight in terms of his appearance at San Diego Comic Con, and then launched into a bunch of other details that were not obviously sourced to anything Knight said. I don't think we should be inclined to add them based on that. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

::Now we all know that it is true because of the second trailer, but we should get an official source first next time instead of info from a fan made video. [[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:38, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

== Can we not add pages for background randos who may or may not be characters? ==
Have people already forgotten when everyone though Blitzwing was actually Starscream? We shouldn't be saying Acid Storm is in the film, when there's the possibility that the green dude might well turn out to be a completely new character. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:38, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
:Sorry, I should've probably just waited or not do it at all instead of telling people to delete if they didn't like it. But I didn't think it would be taken to this extent where pages were being made. Once again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:09, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
::The first rule of wikis is that if there is a red link, *somebody* is gonna fill it. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 01:29, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream Part 2==
This fits better here than on Bltizwing's article's talk page, where I'd posted it first:

''We're swiftly disabused of that notion thanks to a barrage of familiar faces including Decepticon premiereship players Shockwave, Starscream and Blitzwing, all in their original, first generation forms.''

This is obviously an incorrect take on the trailer, as Blitzwing is assuredly not there in his "original, first generation form." We therefore can't take the article's identification of Starscream as definitive, especially given that this isn't the first time we've seen a Starscream-looking dude in a trailer, and he turned out named something else. Note that Starscream is not mentioned in any of the article's direct quotes of Travis Knight. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:I understand what you mean, but in the background of the Shockwave shot, we see a bot that looks different than Blitzwing, and has more similarities to Starscream. We can especially tell because the international trailer shows us Blitzwing's body. If this ends being Blitzwing ''too'' (for some reason) than sure. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::We cannot positively ID that guy as Starscream at this point, certainly not based on a sentence that contains at least one clear error. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:37, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Blitzwing being in his Generation One style form can just be the error, and that's it. And besides, if Starscream wasnt in the actual movie, wouldn't you think they would've scrubbed his name by now? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:49, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::A version of G1 Blitzwing does not appear in the trailer, and that mistaken impression by the author has not been corrected. That mistake renders the sentence unreliable. The author thinks that one Seeker on Cybertron is Starscream, and maybe it is, but we've been down the "this Seeker-looking dude is clearly Starscream" road once already, and we know how that turned out. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:58, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::One incorrect part of a sentence doesn't cancel out the whole sentence. It is true that Shockwave and other characters appear in their G1 style bodies. Let's get at a compromise. If the movie comes out and that Seeker in the background isn't Starscream, then, we remove it. But for now we keep it so we can remember. Dealio? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::No. What? No. When the movie comes out this'll all be moot. We're talking about what our articles are presenting to readers right now as confirmed facts about an upcoming release. And actually, yes, that one error does make the whole sentence unreliable, as it auggests that it's just the author's impression of the trailer and not info from an actual production source. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 19:13, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, let's just delete the Starscream stuff for now and see what happens. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:04, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Fine. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:17, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
Welp, looks like the new, short featurette made this guy look EVEN more like Starscream. By the way, I have "Starscream" hidden along with the other background bots; if the movie comes out, and it turns out this isn't Blitzwing or anyone else, then we can probably un-hide him, along with everyone else. Guess we'll find out soon! [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:48, 5 December 2018 (EST)

== Mr. Bee caption ==
I really don't care for it, but the context of that caption is that it's from the Bee Movie during the trial scene with Barry Vs. The Human Race. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:03, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:I know what it's from, I just think it's gross.
:Also Sipher removed it once already, and he's an admin, so. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 11:15, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
::Yeah, I totally agree. Just figured I might add some context. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:07, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:::Good news, its been taken care of in the form of the famous "You like Jazz?" [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 18:29, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

== Officialy Confirmed Characters ==
Recently characters like Arcee,Cliffjumper, Ratchet and Starscream were confirmed in an official featurette. Should we add them?[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:17, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:I feel like at this point we can afford to wait three weeks for the film to actually come out before adding tons of characters to the cast list. We've previously had shots of characters in trailers/preview material which have not been in the finished film. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:28, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::Besides, just because someone looks like a character doesn't mean they actually are. Remember "Starscream"? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:30, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::If the "featurette" is the video linked here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFv6JVFApk Bumblebee - First Generation Design - Paramount Pictures UK], there is nothing in that video that confirms those characters. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:46, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::::Seems to be referencing this TFW2005 article about that featurette http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/11/27/transformers-bumblebee-designing-g1-featurette-jointhebuzz-377449 Which includes some blurry screenshots with background characters circled. Which is not confirmation of who these characters are, especially since you can barely see them. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:57, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::::'''EDIT:''' Yeah, that. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 27 November 2018 (EST)

==The novel==
Warning: Spoilers!

The movie novel confirms that there is one more human character named Sheriff Lock who chases Bee and the humans in a tunnel before Bee damages his cop car by jumping on the hood. We should add him because this is from an official source.[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 11:00, 29 November 2018 (EST)
: Characters in novelizations don't always show up in the movie itself. There's no rush; we can wait a few weeks. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:02, 29 November 2018 (EST)

== The Hoover Dam in the Trailer. ==
This may be useless information, but it could also be of some interest to some.
I was born in Las Vegas and have lived here for most of my life.....I was born in the 70's BTW.
Anyways as a kid (and even now) I loved going to the Hoover Dam, so I know a bit about it's appearance throughout the years and decades.
So the movie takes place in 1988 right?
If that is the case the way the Dam looked in the trailer (I believe it was in the second trailer) is not correct for the time period.
The parking structure and new visitors center that can be seen on the west (Nevada) side the Dam in the trailer was built (added) in the mid 90's.
I did try to find some sample pics from the 80's online, but could not find any that were stamped for that time period. But I do have two post cards from my personal collection that I did get around that time, that shows how the Hoover Dam would appear in 1988. (I can send pics of them if need be).
So like I said this is not really important info about the movie, but I thought it should at least be said and addressed, you know for the whole "real world" "continuity" section or something. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 04:55, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I would suggest waiting until after the film is released before adding any real-world comparisons like that, so as to make sure it accurately reflects the final version. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:11, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I agree and that does makes sense, because they may change it, or perhaps the scene takes place at some other time period in the film, when I do see the movie I will let you know if it still is an issue. [[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 01:35, 5 December 2018 (EST)
:I just wanted to give a follow up to this subject that I began in the first place. I finally saw the movie, which was awesome BTW, and it seems that the shot of the Dam that was used in the trailer was NOT used in the final film, and the shot that was seemed to be done in such a way to not show any of those structures that I mentioned as being built after the 80's. So I have to say they (the director and editor) did a pretty decent job. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 03:04, 4 January 2019 (EST)

==thundercracker==
I’m not sure if it’s just a generic or not, but there’s a seeker colored suspiciously like thundercracker. Does anyone else think it’s thundercracker or is it just me? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 16:35, 14 December 2018 (EST)
:Dude, just wait a WEEK and you can find out for sure. Geez, what is this obsession people have with playing "wow, that blur in the background looks kind of like random character number 382. If I squint."?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:24, 14 December 2018 (EST)

==Open editing please?==
When will regular users be able to edit this? The movie's already out... [[User:Autoboty|Autoboty]] ([[User talk:Autoboty|talk]]) 05:18, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:"expires 21:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)". It's only 6:30 am on the East Coast. Not many have had a chance to see it yet... - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 06:26, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:For Christ's sake, would it kill people to just wait a few days and then add information? This does not need to be immediately added; in fact, it's better that it's not, because it gives you time to write up a concise summary. Just...chill. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:01, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:The article is unlocked now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:03, 21 December 2018 (EST)

== New universe ==
Since the new film is clearly settled in a new continuity, should we move the new informations of the characters in a separate section in their own pages or create totally new pages ? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:Same page, we would only make a new page if it's a new continuity family. There is also a discussion on how to tackle the Bee movie [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The Bumblebee Movie|here]]. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:26, 22 December 2018 (EST)

== Caption theme for this film? ==
So what is it this time around? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 00:33, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:It has been Bee Movie so far, don’t know if it’s going to change [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 00:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Bee Movie. There can be only one. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:01, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::''Hey, I've never seen the Bee Movie. I had no clue!'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:::I hear it made a real buzz at the box office! - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:04, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::::I will kill you. --[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:05, 28 January 2019 (EST)

== Sector Seven's "first contact" ==
The Sector Seven unit seen in the film calls the entire Bumblebee/Blitzwing fight, and later the meeting with Shatter and Dropkick as "first contact", which seems to imply that this is the first time that Sector Seven has seen Cybertronians. But as we know, at that point in time, Megatron and the Allspark are very clearly in possession of S7. Currently, this is stated to be a continuity error... But is there a chance that the Unit involved under Burns doesn't know of the entire story behind Megatron? Remember, in TF1, Banachek, said that the entire footage acquired from Transformers was deemed "beyond Top Secret." Using real-life Top Secrecy protocols, it isn't hard to imagine that even S7 wouldn't tell their field teams what was going on in their secret base, either A. because they simply don't have to know, or B. in case of interrogation, the soldiers can't tell anything useful.

The same can be said of allowing Shatter and Dropkick inside Hoover Dam: the field team could know the HQ, but wouldn't know the entirety of the story. And of course, the files that Shatter/Dropkick search through could be doctored, with some sensitive information removed or placed behind bars, allowing access but keeping some of the files a secrecy. Traces of Cybertronian-originated tech inside the files could simply be replaced with the cover-up stories S7 has used before, possibly even to the field teams.

Just a theory based on real-life protocols, and some careful speculation.

[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 07:34, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Given they cut a scene they filmed showing frozen ('''G1''') Megatron, they may or may not have Megs and the Allspark in the *Bumblebee* continuity. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:05, 27 December 2018 (EST)

:Admittedly it's been a while since I watched the 2007 film, but Megs was (a) found frozen (and offline?) and (b) kept frozen (and offline?), right? So they can still have him in the freezer and consider this first contact, because it was the first ''actual'' contact, with the words and the talking. Like many things with continuity between these movies, I think it can work if you squint. A lot. --[[User:Guntrip|Guntrip]] ([[User talk:Guntrip|talk]]) 05:54, 28 December 2018 (EST)
::If I were Sector 7, I would not consider Megatron's body to be first contact. And as Travis Knight made clear in interviews, Megatron does not cameo in this film because he is meant to be frozen at the Hoover Dam when the film is set. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 12:39, 28 December 2018 (EST)

== Bumblebee's potential design change ==
Wasn't 100% sure if this was noteworthy enough to add, so I figured I'd bring it up here first. The more complex toys, namely the Studio Series and Masterpiece figures, depict Bumblebee as having the traditional "car wings"- this is an element that is present in some promotional material as well, specifically with [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/92/ed/6e92edad8057c2a68dee54513fd80a59.jpg Entenmann's products showing Bee with his "wings"], leading me to believe it was a minor design change late into the game and not the result of general kibble. In the final film, as far as I can recall, his doors are just folded onto his back to give him a cleaner look. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:37, 4 January 2019 (EST)

== Cliffjumper's cameo ==
So I could just start a revert war, because 'NO' isn't a real persuasive argument, but I'll do this instead, 'cause I think I got a solid case.

In the last 20+ years of Transformers lore, Cliffjumper is famous for one thing and one thing only: showing up as a named, headlining character in a flagship TV show, only to be captured, interrogated and brutally murdered within minutes of his debut. This is ''by far'' the most distinctive and memorable thing the mythos-arc character of Cliffjumper has done. You gotta go back 35 years to him calling people traitor to find something similarly definitive.

Now for the movie scene on whatever moon it was, the writers could have chosen ''literally any character''. They coulda put Huffer or Gears or Cosmos or Windcharger or Blurr or Outback or a generic or ''anybody'' in that scene, but no. When they needed a character to be captured, interrogated, act defiant and get shockingly killed, they went to the one character whose ''defining trait'' is that he was ''captured, interrogated, acted defiant and got shockingly killed''.

If that seems like a reach, the bigger reach is saying that they just landed on that character ''totally by coincidence''; that out of 18 '84 Autobots and dozens of subsequent ones available, they just. so. happened. to pick that one, ''without'' being aware of his recent history. I don't buy that.

Now if we've heard from the scriptwriters or whoever added that character in there that, whoa, hey, wow, we had no idea that was a thing!, then that's different; but y'all gotta show me the money. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 12:46, 7 January 2019 (EST)
: Conversely, the interrogation scenes are different enough (Prime Cliffjumper gets his spark crushed, BB Cliffjumper is bisected) that I'd need to see it from the the scriptwriters that it was intentional. And being honest, I'm willing to be the reason why Cliffjumper was chosen to die was because he's about 95% the same model as Bumblebee's Cybertronian form, and thus was easy to do instead of some other all new guy.

: All in all, sometimes a similar scene is just a similar scene. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:42, 7 January 2019 (EST)

::I also call bull on the notion that Cliffjumper's "defining trait" is "get shockingly killed". On top of that, it further strains credibility of the claim to have just this one singular non-G1 non-movie reference out of aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the past-TF references in the movie, especially when, as noted, it involves a recycled model for a scene that would almost certainly predate the reshoots and added Cybertron footage. In a movie where they actually re-create specific shots from the old animation, you'd think they'd have done that there too if they were actually making the reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:04, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:Rob, they used Cliffjumper because Cliffjumper can use the same Cybertronian body that they already modeled for Bumblebee. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 14:16, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:: Fair enough, outvoted etc.
:: Not sure this comment works as an explanation, though. Of course they reskinned a model where it was an option, but they coulda reskinned anybody. They coulda killed off Bluestreak or Smokescreen or Outback or an obscurity or a generic. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 18:11, 8 January 2019 (EST)
::: The expanded Cybertronian scenes were a later addition, and so Bumblebee's Cybertronian mode was likely available much sooner. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:34, 8 January 2019 (EST)

Even if the authors didn't intend it, it still happened. We're the ones who spot the similarities and I'm on board with noting it on the page, though using phrases like "...is similar to..." as opposed to "...is inspired by...". Same thing goes with "homage," which assumes deliberate planning. Two things can resemble each other either on purpose or by accident, it's still fair to point out the resemblence. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:54, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:That's always been something we've ''actively'' avoided doing. We even have a template for it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:06, 7 January 2019 (EST)
::And I quote...
{{Notareference}}
::-- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:24, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:::Yeah, we are not filling up our references sections with things that we merely find similar. That's not what the references section is for. That's why we have the template. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:27, 7 January 2019 (EST)

==Seekers==
It says dirge is in the film, the only conehead you see clearly (and even has a pic on this site) is green. Also, the purple seeker on Cybertron resembles slipstream in colors more than it does Skywarp. Hell, it probably isn’t even either character, just a generic. I think we should remove the seekers names from the characters list besides starscream, as the others aren’t named. While starscream isn’t named in the film, the shots on Cybertron resemble his g1 self and he is the closest standing to shockwave in the scene with the green cone head. Starscream, Soundwave, and shockwave are all Megatrons generals, so it would make sense for them to be together with Megatron being gone. As far as I’m aware, starscream is the only seeker that can be safely associated with an established character. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 09:14, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Scroll down to Notes section. There's a reference to an EW article saying all the G1 characters in the opening Cybertron scene. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)
::I'm not sure how reliable that source is in this case. They can't spell Chris Latta. They state that the instructions for the coneheads were changed, when they were not. Various paragraphs mix the old toys and the new movies in confusing ways. And the quotation used to support Dirge's presence does not actually include his name, that is added by the author of the article and could be either saying that the specific conehead Dirge is in the movie or simply giving an example of a conehead from past fiction without saying what the names of any coneheads in the movie are (or even if they are named). Honestly, the writer needs to return not just the paycheck they received for that article, but also any and all diplomas, degrees, and certifications of education that they may have received. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:48, 10 January 2019 (EST)

So we can remove them from the list except starscream? He is thus far the only one who has enough to be inferred who he is. Just because he is named doesn’t mean it’s not him, shockwave goes unnamed in the film. See my first post if you are unaware of my reasoning. Sincerely [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 15:29, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Shockwave is named in the credits, by the way. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:23, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Thrust are explicitly named in the ILM visual development page (https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece/). Thus, I'd assume that there has been confirmation on their identities. [[User:Ed|Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed|talk]]) 02:31, 20 May 2019 (EDT)
:Dude, you're responding to a 4 month old thread. We are aware of the ILM source. We discussed it over a month ago in the section "Entertainment Weekly". But, given the fact that all of those mentioned there show up in MULTIPLE copies, the specific characters cannot be said to be in this film. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:10, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

== Shatter/Dropkick tracking Bumblebee error. ==
(First post here forgive me if I'm doing this wrong)

So I was reading the error section for this movie specifically how it claims that Shatter and Dropkick were tasked with tracking down B-127, while they do that after they detect his signal while interrogating Cliffjumper I didn't see anything in the film that indicated that they were hunting down Bumblebee specifically before that moment, since they were trying to find Prime it seems more likely that the two Decepticons were just tracking down and interrogating any Autobot they could for Prime's location and so happen to be near Bee while they were interrogating Cliffjumper, although this is just a theory perhaps they were tracking down Autobots this exact way with finding one and detecting signals of other Autobots and repeat the procedure until they find Cliff, again this part is just a theory but regardless nothing in the film indicates that the two Decepticons were looking for Bumblebee specifically prior to the Autobot beaming his signal.

The Blitzwing part however is fine and correct since it isn't explained how he was already there, either he was already on Earth (I mean he is a Seeker and maybe Seekers seek other worlds which is what they did in ROTF although they are presumably separate from the more classic versions in this movie) or he took off after Bumblebee's pod immediately after they launched whether specifically looking for Bee or was chasing his pod by chance. Although those are theories and not fact. --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 7:30, 12 January 2019 (EST)
:Yeah, I don't think the error as listed is correct. Shatter and Dropkick are hunting for Optimus, they happen to be interrogating Cliffjumper when they detect Bumblebee's signal and they go to find Bumblebee on the hunch he'll be more willing to talk. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:05, 23 January 2019 (EST)

== Just an idea ==
I don't know if there is a way we could do this but could we take a poll on whether people like the Bumblebee designs or the original movieverse designs better? Please don't hate me for this. I'm new here.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:09, 28 January 2019 (EST)
:TFWiki isn't the place for "social" stuff, that would be better suited for a Transformers discussion forum. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:54, 28 January 2019 (EST)

==Bumblebee's Place in Continuity==
It seems Hasbro referred to Bumblebee as [https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/02/16/transformers-brand-info-from-new-york-toy-fair-2019-fan-media-panel-hasbrotoyfair-383106 "a new storytelling universe" at the ToyFair panel over the weekend]. Now admittedly this statement is rather vague, but the general idea seems to imply the film is now a reboot, not a prequel to the Michael Bay franchise. I'm aware of the mass discussions in regards to the film's continuity prior to release, and I don't mean to dredge up old arguments, but I think this statement is atleast worth discussing. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:17, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:I don't see any point in discussing this until after the next movie.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:48, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:Christ, can people tamp down their continuity deckchair-shuffling boners for like three consecutive seconds. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 17 February 2019 (EST)
::I guess you can say it's ''pretty hard?'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:43, 17 February 2019 (EST)
: Is [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/travis-knight-talks-edits-continuity-and-turning-people-into-goo-in-new-interview/43204/ this good enough]? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:42, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

==Bumblebee Universal Designation==
Since the Bumblebee movie has been confirmed to be a reboot, and was obviously a new timeline in the first place, I propose we call the BB movie universe: Tyran 018.21 Delta. --[[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] 15:03, 15 March 2019 (EST)
:We've already discussed this, including right above your post. The statement they made was too vague to actually pull anything definitive from, so we're not making any calls about whether the movie is a prequel or reboot (and therefore requires a new designation) until we know what the next movie is. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::Also the movie is blatantly made to work either way (with allowances for how shoddy inter-film continuity is for the whole enterprise). If new movies do their own thing, that doesn't actually change how they approached and made this movie. And we're not using TT stream designations for anything anyway. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:32, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
:::That too. Unless something gets mentioned in future TransTech fiction (assuming there even is any), you probably won't see any new universal streams added to the wiki going forward. (Note that we don't have one for Cyberverse either.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:38, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::::I don't see how it is vague. It was clearly confirmed to be a reboot. --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:36, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::No, it wasn't. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Aside from any of that, [[Sector 7 Adventures: The Battle at Half Dome]] is tied to this movie and the previous ones. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:43, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

==Battletrap homage==
There's a note that states that Dropkick is an homage to Battletrap's appearance in "Cybertron's Most Wanted." Is there any evidence to back this up (say Travis Knight saying so like how he said Shatter is based on Nightbird), or is it just speculative? Because I don't remember hearing Mr. Knight saying anything about Dropkick's design. [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 10:57, 23 March 2019 (EDT)

== Entertainment Weekly ==
"An Entertainment Weekly article confirms some of the background characters in the scene set on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].<ref>[https://ew.com/movies/2018/12/22/bumblebee-spoilers-classic-transformers-opening-battle/2/ EW article on the Cybertron scene]</ref> "
Given all the errors in that article, I am tempted to just remove this from the page. How can we claim that it confirms anything when it gets so much wrong about the past? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:30, 24 March 2019 (EDT)
:I've pulled the note and removed the Seekers (other than Starscream) from the list. Find a source that is competent before re-adding. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:49, 27 March 2019 (EDT)
::[https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece From the horse's mouth.] Slide 28 concretely identifies them as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:49, 2 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Okay, that I can accept as a reliable source. The EW article I wouldn't even take as evidence for how to spell Entertainment Weekly, it was THAT bad.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:38, 4 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I wanna say that while obviously those Seeker colors were inspired by a few of the named Seekers over the years including being labeled as such in the concept art, I doubt those Seekers in the opening were those characters themselves only because the colors are reused for multiple Seekers, for example there are multiple "Thundercrackers" including the one Optimus pummels and the one Bumblebee knocks out of the way in vehicle mode before he knocks over and kills one of the many "Skywarps" in the scene, although it's possible any of these Seekers are indeed Skywarp,Thundercracker,Thrust,etc I'm not sure if that was the intent at the end, The colors I saw while watching a 4k version of the scene just today were besides the Thundercracker,Skywarp,Thrust ones there were the ROTF Dirge looking ones as well as an orange kind of Sunstorm Seeker that Bumblebee kicks a Skywarp head at and shortly before hand a mostly red Seeker in the background during the part where Bee knocks over two Seekers and finally there is a couple Seekers that uses Blitzwing's color scheme one of such is one of the Seekers that Prime shoots in the flashback and another is one of the many Seekers charging Prime at the end of the scene, funnily enough that one was right beside Shatter and Dropkick so that one might very well be Blitzwing himself but probably a coincidence, This fan made scale chart by Red Goblin (He's a very talented guy, I actually think he has some access or other to ILM renders, either that or he's really good at piecing together renders) while not an official source (probably) is a good film accurate showing of what colors were in the film. https://i.postimg.cc/2kRxjk5B/bumblebeeccons.png --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 5:46, 4 April 2019 (EST)

==pics==
I get why all the pics are of the bot scenes...but shouldn't Charlie be in a few? Swapping the final image for example from one at the bridge to Prime and Bee seems to run counter to the fact that she's the the primary protagonist. {{unsigned|Eire}}
:I agree. At the moment the selection of screencaps is giving a completely inaccurate impression of the film. We have more screeencaps featuring Soundwave than we do of Charlie (and the one that does is just the back of her head). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

== Digital comic ==
Question: the recent comic (Sector 7 adventures: the battle at half dome) released with the dvd has many elements that connect Bumblebee movie with the 2007 Transformers movie (like Banachek, Simmons's S7 t-shirt, Soundwave looking for the AllSpark, Megatron frozen etc...); so can we add those informations in this page? [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:That information would be better suited to a Battle at Half Dome page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:04, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::Yes, I know I know, but what I was saying is that (for example) in the section "continuity notes" there is written that the S7 doesn't know the Cybertronians and there is also written a supposition that project Iceman is so secret that only a small portion of employees knows about it. I asked if there could be done a link saying these theory is supported by the comic. [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:::Probably not. I guarantee you the scriptwriters were not thinking about any comic adaptations when the movie was being written; in its own self-contained context, there is no explanation. Besides, if there's anything we've learned from the Bumblebee Prequel, it's that the events of a comic tie-in can't be treated as lining up precisely with, or having any influence on, movie canon. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:23, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Ok thanks. {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:::::Just one last question: if what you're saying is true, why in Bumblebee's notes (character, not movie I mean) about his arrival on earth is made mention to the IDW comics? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
::::::Character articles cover all of a character's appearances in all works of fiction, even when they're incompatible with one another. Hence why the "IDW Comics" section is placed separately on the page from the "Movies" section. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:51, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
:::::::OK Thanks

== Escape Pods/Protoform ==
Does anyone else notice the Escape pods resemble the protoform reentry modes of the Michael Bay Movies? Would it be alright if I made a note of that in the Trivia section of the Protoform' page? Or is only having minor resemblance not conclusive evidence enough to make a note of it in the trivia section of that Protoform' page?

== The movie is no longer a prequel, it's a reboot ==

When the movie finally came out, it was declared to be a reboot officially. Shouldn't the page be altered to reflect that? Here is at least one source: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/streaming-june-2020-netflix-disney-plus-hulu-hbo-max/ --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:Please read the ''Bumblebee'' section on this page: [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers]]. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:45, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::Also, Bumblebee isn't even mentioned on that page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:12, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Transformers isn't mentioned on that page, either. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::::I assume they meant to link to [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/bumblebee-official-transformers-reboot-hasbro/ this], which is simply re-reporting the "new storytelling universe" quote which is already covered on the page Escargon linked to. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::And, even if it were completely out of continuity with the previous films, I can't see it as being separate enough to warrant splitting pages. It would still seem to fall in the same continuity family and would be covered on the pre-existing movie-verse pages just as the many separate G1 universes are covered on the same pages (barring splits for length). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:07, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

== so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? ==

Like, in the 2007 movie prequel comic, he lost his voice to Megatron before chasing after the allspark. Why did Travis change it? Mikey. 17:32, 10 November 2020 (EST)Mikey. 17:03, 10 November 2020 (EST)
::The 2007 movie prequel comic is a part of the IDW Movie universe which in turn is a splinter timeline consisting only of the first 3 films. AOE, TLK and Bumblebee are not in anyway related to the IDW movie comics. Plus, we still need to wait and see if Bumblebee is even part of the same film continuity or whether it is an official reboot.

::Also, please sign your name using 4 of the ~ symbols, it automatically codes it with your user link and makes the timestamp accurate :) [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 17:18, 10 November 2020 (EST)
::okay? But.. um... age of extinction and the last knight NEVER contradicted the comics, so they should still be canon to the main 5 movies timeline. Hell, age of extinction and the last knight DIDN'T mention that bumblebee losing his voice was a different cause, so why change it? I'm sorry, but to me, the comics are more connected then the bee movie. (Also, I'm new here, so I may have gotten this stuff wrong, sorry.) Michael dunlapMikey. 17:37, 10 November 2020 (EST) 17:32, 10 November 2020 (EST)

Talk:Bumblebee (film)

2020-11-10T22:35:12Z

Michael dunlap.: /* so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? */

[[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers#Bumblebee|NOT CALLING IT A REBOOT]]. WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MOVIE.
==Lawsuit?==
So Hasbro just filed a Lawsuit with DC Comics for the Bumblebee Name. [http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/bumblebee-trademark-transformers-dc-comics-warner-bros-1202541577/] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 04:45, 30 August 2017 (EDT)
:Ah no wait, it's over. DC & Hasbro are cool. [http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/08/17/the-battle-of-the-bumblebees-is-over-hasbro-and-dc-comics-settle-bumblebee-trademark-dispute-370180] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 19:22, 11 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream==
Should Starscream be in the cast list here, when we've not actually had any official announcement/confirmation that the character in the trailer is him? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:58, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
:Nope. --[[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 01:11, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::Aw, come on! Its quite obviously supposed to be starscream, the head design is a slightly more g1-ifies version of michael bay starscream. The colors of the jet (what can be seen of it) are starscream colors, red air intakes, white nose area, and even a orange cockpit. It is highly unlikely this starscream homage isnt him, its clearly a more g1-ified version of michael bay starscream. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:13, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:::It's not uncommon for [[Blackout (Movie)|movie]] [[Grindor (ROTF)|characters]] to [[Crankcase (DOTM)|not]] [[Berserker|be]] who you think they are. Until Starscream is officially confirmed, we gotta play it safe. [[User:Ikkad|Ikkad]] ([[User talk:Ikkad|talk]]) 14:14, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::: Only one [[Barricade (Movie)|decepticon]] has been confirmed for the movie. Starscream has not been confirmed yet. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 19:34, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Get rekt, it’s confirmed as screamer now! [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 08:24, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
:The rudeness is hardly necessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:51, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, I meant it in a friendlier manner. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:53, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

The reason they had to make an official announcement was because you people kept speculating that it wasn't Starscream when it blattantly was. It's a soft reboot. He doesn't have to turn into a Dorito F-22 to be the same character. This has been common knowledge for months.[[User:Leo1452|King Kid]] ([[User talk:Leo1452|talk]]) 12:03, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
:Well I for one have always enjoyed crow when topped with a little (Whataburger) ketchup. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:55, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

This just in: That Scream is now Blitzwing. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:48, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:...that just in literally a month ago hence my last comment above. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 20:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

== /* Timeline and Continuity */ ==
This movie is a reboot because if not they should find the way to explain how Bumblebee fought in the WW2, because this movie is supposedly to be the first time Bumblebee came to Earth--[[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:29, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Can somebody edit in the fact that this is now officially a reboot since Hasbro has now officially confirmed it? [[User:DrXshock|DrXshock]] ([[User talk:DrXshock|talk]]) 17:51, 17 February 2019 (EST) 22:50, 17 February 2019 (GMT)
==toyline?==
Is there a toyline? I know the movie has a while to release, but we knew about titans return about a year before release. Why do t we know about this toyline?
[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

There might be. I have seen pictures showing a prototype of a volkswagen beetle Bumblebee ( redeco from TLK new bumblebee ) [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:29, 10 June 2018 (EDT

:The toyline will be absorbed into ''Studio Series.'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
==Is this really a reboot?==
I have heard that the reboot is cancelled, but the past events in the movies just don't match up.
Bumblebee went to earth with Hot Rod and fought in world war 2 (ww2) there. Instead the movie shows bumblebee's first time on earth.
So is this a start to the reboot or just a confusing event in the Bayformers Movies? [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
:Dude, it really doesn't matter right now, the movie isn't out yet. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

==bumblebee design==
Is it me, or does bumblebee kinda look like the cancelled alternators g1 bumblebee? If anyone else picks up on this, should we put it in the (currently nonexistent) trivia area that his design is possibly an homage to said toy? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:55, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

==female Decepticon==
A youtuber, AndySupreme99, claims that he saw the trailer at Cinemacon. He says that there is a female Decepticon. Have any of you seen the trailer he mentioned?
:We obviously know now that this was referring to Shatter, but for the record, we need a better source than "This YouTuber says..." next time. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:19, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

==new characters confirmed==
The director has confirmed that Cliffjumper, Soundwave and Shockwave will be on Cybertron. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 06:53, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:Source? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:47, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
::When I googled, I found a bunch of excited fan videos pointing back to a wordpress blog which mentioned Travis Knight in terms of his appearance at San Diego Comic Con, and then launched into a bunch of other details that were not obviously sourced to anything Knight said. I don't think we should be inclined to add them based on that. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

::Now we all know that it is true because of the second trailer, but we should get an official source first next time instead of info from a fan made video. [[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:38, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

== Can we not add pages for background randos who may or may not be characters? ==
Have people already forgotten when everyone though Blitzwing was actually Starscream? We shouldn't be saying Acid Storm is in the film, when there's the possibility that the green dude might well turn out to be a completely new character. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:38, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
:Sorry, I should've probably just waited or not do it at all instead of telling people to delete if they didn't like it. But I didn't think it would be taken to this extent where pages were being made. Once again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:09, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
::The first rule of wikis is that if there is a red link, *somebody* is gonna fill it. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 01:29, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream Part 2==
This fits better here than on Bltizwing's article's talk page, where I'd posted it first:

''We're swiftly disabused of that notion thanks to a barrage of familiar faces including Decepticon premiereship players Shockwave, Starscream and Blitzwing, all in their original, first generation forms.''

This is obviously an incorrect take on the trailer, as Blitzwing is assuredly not there in his "original, first generation form." We therefore can't take the article's identification of Starscream as definitive, especially given that this isn't the first time we've seen a Starscream-looking dude in a trailer, and he turned out named something else. Note that Starscream is not mentioned in any of the article's direct quotes of Travis Knight. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:I understand what you mean, but in the background of the Shockwave shot, we see a bot that looks different than Blitzwing, and has more similarities to Starscream. We can especially tell because the international trailer shows us Blitzwing's body. If this ends being Blitzwing ''too'' (for some reason) than sure. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::We cannot positively ID that guy as Starscream at this point, certainly not based on a sentence that contains at least one clear error. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:37, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Blitzwing being in his Generation One style form can just be the error, and that's it. And besides, if Starscream wasnt in the actual movie, wouldn't you think they would've scrubbed his name by now? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:49, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::A version of G1 Blitzwing does not appear in the trailer, and that mistaken impression by the author has not been corrected. That mistake renders the sentence unreliable. The author thinks that one Seeker on Cybertron is Starscream, and maybe it is, but we've been down the "this Seeker-looking dude is clearly Starscream" road once already, and we know how that turned out. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:58, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::One incorrect part of a sentence doesn't cancel out the whole sentence. It is true that Shockwave and other characters appear in their G1 style bodies. Let's get at a compromise. If the movie comes out and that Seeker in the background isn't Starscream, then, we remove it. But for now we keep it so we can remember. Dealio? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::No. What? No. When the movie comes out this'll all be moot. We're talking about what our articles are presenting to readers right now as confirmed facts about an upcoming release. And actually, yes, that one error does make the whole sentence unreliable, as it auggests that it's just the author's impression of the trailer and not info from an actual production source. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 19:13, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, let's just delete the Starscream stuff for now and see what happens. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:04, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Fine. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:17, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
Welp, looks like the new, short featurette made this guy look EVEN more like Starscream. By the way, I have "Starscream" hidden along with the other background bots; if the movie comes out, and it turns out this isn't Blitzwing or anyone else, then we can probably un-hide him, along with everyone else. Guess we'll find out soon! [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:48, 5 December 2018 (EST)

== Mr. Bee caption ==
I really don't care for it, but the context of that caption is that it's from the Bee Movie during the trial scene with Barry Vs. The Human Race. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:03, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:I know what it's from, I just think it's gross.
:Also Sipher removed it once already, and he's an admin, so. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 11:15, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
::Yeah, I totally agree. Just figured I might add some context. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:07, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:::Good news, its been taken care of in the form of the famous "You like Jazz?" [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 18:29, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

== Officialy Confirmed Characters ==
Recently characters like Arcee,Cliffjumper, Ratchet and Starscream were confirmed in an official featurette. Should we add them?[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:17, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:I feel like at this point we can afford to wait three weeks for the film to actually come out before adding tons of characters to the cast list. We've previously had shots of characters in trailers/preview material which have not been in the finished film. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:28, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::Besides, just because someone looks like a character doesn't mean they actually are. Remember "Starscream"? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:30, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::If the "featurette" is the video linked here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFv6JVFApk Bumblebee - First Generation Design - Paramount Pictures UK], there is nothing in that video that confirms those characters. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:46, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::::Seems to be referencing this TFW2005 article about that featurette http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/11/27/transformers-bumblebee-designing-g1-featurette-jointhebuzz-377449 Which includes some blurry screenshots with background characters circled. Which is not confirmation of who these characters are, especially since you can barely see them. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:57, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::::'''EDIT:''' Yeah, that. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 27 November 2018 (EST)

==The novel==
Warning: Spoilers!

The movie novel confirms that there is one more human character named Sheriff Lock who chases Bee and the humans in a tunnel before Bee damages his cop car by jumping on the hood. We should add him because this is from an official source.[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 11:00, 29 November 2018 (EST)
: Characters in novelizations don't always show up in the movie itself. There's no rush; we can wait a few weeks. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:02, 29 November 2018 (EST)

== The Hoover Dam in the Trailer. ==
This may be useless information, but it could also be of some interest to some.
I was born in Las Vegas and have lived here for most of my life.....I was born in the 70's BTW.
Anyways as a kid (and even now) I loved going to the Hoover Dam, so I know a bit about it's appearance throughout the years and decades.
So the movie takes place in 1988 right?
If that is the case the way the Dam looked in the trailer (I believe it was in the second trailer) is not correct for the time period.
The parking structure and new visitors center that can be seen on the west (Nevada) side the Dam in the trailer was built (added) in the mid 90's.
I did try to find some sample pics from the 80's online, but could not find any that were stamped for that time period. But I do have two post cards from my personal collection that I did get around that time, that shows how the Hoover Dam would appear in 1988. (I can send pics of them if need be).
So like I said this is not really important info about the movie, but I thought it should at least be said and addressed, you know for the whole "real world" "continuity" section or something. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 04:55, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I would suggest waiting until after the film is released before adding any real-world comparisons like that, so as to make sure it accurately reflects the final version. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:11, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I agree and that does makes sense, because they may change it, or perhaps the scene takes place at some other time period in the film, when I do see the movie I will let you know if it still is an issue. [[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 01:35, 5 December 2018 (EST)
:I just wanted to give a follow up to this subject that I began in the first place. I finally saw the movie, which was awesome BTW, and it seems that the shot of the Dam that was used in the trailer was NOT used in the final film, and the shot that was seemed to be done in such a way to not show any of those structures that I mentioned as being built after the 80's. So I have to say they (the director and editor) did a pretty decent job. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 03:04, 4 January 2019 (EST)

==thundercracker==
I’m not sure if it’s just a generic or not, but there’s a seeker colored suspiciously like thundercracker. Does anyone else think it’s thundercracker or is it just me? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 16:35, 14 December 2018 (EST)
:Dude, just wait a WEEK and you can find out for sure. Geez, what is this obsession people have with playing "wow, that blur in the background looks kind of like random character number 382. If I squint."?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:24, 14 December 2018 (EST)

==Open editing please?==
When will regular users be able to edit this? The movie's already out... [[User:Autoboty|Autoboty]] ([[User talk:Autoboty|talk]]) 05:18, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:"expires 21:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)". It's only 6:30 am on the East Coast. Not many have had a chance to see it yet... - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 06:26, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:For Christ's sake, would it kill people to just wait a few days and then add information? This does not need to be immediately added; in fact, it's better that it's not, because it gives you time to write up a concise summary. Just...chill. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:01, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:The article is unlocked now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:03, 21 December 2018 (EST)

== New universe ==
Since the new film is clearly settled in a new continuity, should we move the new informations of the characters in a separate section in their own pages or create totally new pages ? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:Same page, we would only make a new page if it's a new continuity family. There is also a discussion on how to tackle the Bee movie [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The Bumblebee Movie|here]]. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:26, 22 December 2018 (EST)

== Caption theme for this film? ==
So what is it this time around? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 00:33, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:It has been Bee Movie so far, don’t know if it’s going to change [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 00:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Bee Movie. There can be only one. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:01, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::''Hey, I've never seen the Bee Movie. I had no clue!'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:::I hear it made a real buzz at the box office! - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:04, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::::I will kill you. --[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:05, 28 January 2019 (EST)

== Sector Seven's "first contact" ==
The Sector Seven unit seen in the film calls the entire Bumblebee/Blitzwing fight, and later the meeting with Shatter and Dropkick as "first contact", which seems to imply that this is the first time that Sector Seven has seen Cybertronians. But as we know, at that point in time, Megatron and the Allspark are very clearly in possession of S7. Currently, this is stated to be a continuity error... But is there a chance that the Unit involved under Burns doesn't know of the entire story behind Megatron? Remember, in TF1, Banachek, said that the entire footage acquired from Transformers was deemed "beyond Top Secret." Using real-life Top Secrecy protocols, it isn't hard to imagine that even S7 wouldn't tell their field teams what was going on in their secret base, either A. because they simply don't have to know, or B. in case of interrogation, the soldiers can't tell anything useful.

The same can be said of allowing Shatter and Dropkick inside Hoover Dam: the field team could know the HQ, but wouldn't know the entirety of the story. And of course, the files that Shatter/Dropkick search through could be doctored, with some sensitive information removed or placed behind bars, allowing access but keeping some of the files a secrecy. Traces of Cybertronian-originated tech inside the files could simply be replaced with the cover-up stories S7 has used before, possibly even to the field teams.

Just a theory based on real-life protocols, and some careful speculation.

[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 07:34, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Given they cut a scene they filmed showing frozen ('''G1''') Megatron, they may or may not have Megs and the Allspark in the *Bumblebee* continuity. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:05, 27 December 2018 (EST)

:Admittedly it's been a while since I watched the 2007 film, but Megs was (a) found frozen (and offline?) and (b) kept frozen (and offline?), right? So they can still have him in the freezer and consider this first contact, because it was the first ''actual'' contact, with the words and the talking. Like many things with continuity between these movies, I think it can work if you squint. A lot. --[[User:Guntrip|Guntrip]] ([[User talk:Guntrip|talk]]) 05:54, 28 December 2018 (EST)
::If I were Sector 7, I would not consider Megatron's body to be first contact. And as Travis Knight made clear in interviews, Megatron does not cameo in this film because he is meant to be frozen at the Hoover Dam when the film is set. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 12:39, 28 December 2018 (EST)

== Bumblebee's potential design change ==
Wasn't 100% sure if this was noteworthy enough to add, so I figured I'd bring it up here first. The more complex toys, namely the Studio Series and Masterpiece figures, depict Bumblebee as having the traditional "car wings"- this is an element that is present in some promotional material as well, specifically with [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/92/ed/6e92edad8057c2a68dee54513fd80a59.jpg Entenmann's products showing Bee with his "wings"], leading me to believe it was a minor design change late into the game and not the result of general kibble. In the final film, as far as I can recall, his doors are just folded onto his back to give him a cleaner look. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:37, 4 January 2019 (EST)

== Cliffjumper's cameo ==
So I could just start a revert war, because 'NO' isn't a real persuasive argument, but I'll do this instead, 'cause I think I got a solid case.

In the last 20+ years of Transformers lore, Cliffjumper is famous for one thing and one thing only: showing up as a named, headlining character in a flagship TV show, only to be captured, interrogated and brutally murdered within minutes of his debut. This is ''by far'' the most distinctive and memorable thing the mythos-arc character of Cliffjumper has done. You gotta go back 35 years to him calling people traitor to find something similarly definitive.

Now for the movie scene on whatever moon it was, the writers could have chosen ''literally any character''. They coulda put Huffer or Gears or Cosmos or Windcharger or Blurr or Outback or a generic or ''anybody'' in that scene, but no. When they needed a character to be captured, interrogated, act defiant and get shockingly killed, they went to the one character whose ''defining trait'' is that he was ''captured, interrogated, acted defiant and got shockingly killed''.

If that seems like a reach, the bigger reach is saying that they just landed on that character ''totally by coincidence''; that out of 18 '84 Autobots and dozens of subsequent ones available, they just. so. happened. to pick that one, ''without'' being aware of his recent history. I don't buy that.

Now if we've heard from the scriptwriters or whoever added that character in there that, whoa, hey, wow, we had no idea that was a thing!, then that's different; but y'all gotta show me the money. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 12:46, 7 January 2019 (EST)
: Conversely, the interrogation scenes are different enough (Prime Cliffjumper gets his spark crushed, BB Cliffjumper is bisected) that I'd need to see it from the the scriptwriters that it was intentional. And being honest, I'm willing to be the reason why Cliffjumper was chosen to die was because he's about 95% the same model as Bumblebee's Cybertronian form, and thus was easy to do instead of some other all new guy.

: All in all, sometimes a similar scene is just a similar scene. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:42, 7 January 2019 (EST)

::I also call bull on the notion that Cliffjumper's "defining trait" is "get shockingly killed". On top of that, it further strains credibility of the claim to have just this one singular non-G1 non-movie reference out of aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the past-TF references in the movie, especially when, as noted, it involves a recycled model for a scene that would almost certainly predate the reshoots and added Cybertron footage. In a movie where they actually re-create specific shots from the old animation, you'd think they'd have done that there too if they were actually making the reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:04, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:Rob, they used Cliffjumper because Cliffjumper can use the same Cybertronian body that they already modeled for Bumblebee. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 14:16, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:: Fair enough, outvoted etc.
:: Not sure this comment works as an explanation, though. Of course they reskinned a model where it was an option, but they coulda reskinned anybody. They coulda killed off Bluestreak or Smokescreen or Outback or an obscurity or a generic. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 18:11, 8 January 2019 (EST)
::: The expanded Cybertronian scenes were a later addition, and so Bumblebee's Cybertronian mode was likely available much sooner. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:34, 8 January 2019 (EST)

Even if the authors didn't intend it, it still happened. We're the ones who spot the similarities and I'm on board with noting it on the page, though using phrases like "...is similar to..." as opposed to "...is inspired by...". Same thing goes with "homage," which assumes deliberate planning. Two things can resemble each other either on purpose or by accident, it's still fair to point out the resemblence. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:54, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:That's always been something we've ''actively'' avoided doing. We even have a template for it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:06, 7 January 2019 (EST)
::And I quote...
{{Notareference}}
::-- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:24, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:::Yeah, we are not filling up our references sections with things that we merely find similar. That's not what the references section is for. That's why we have the template. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:27, 7 January 2019 (EST)

==Seekers==
It says dirge is in the film, the only conehead you see clearly (and even has a pic on this site) is green. Also, the purple seeker on Cybertron resembles slipstream in colors more than it does Skywarp. Hell, it probably isn’t even either character, just a generic. I think we should remove the seekers names from the characters list besides starscream, as the others aren’t named. While starscream isn’t named in the film, the shots on Cybertron resemble his g1 self and he is the closest standing to shockwave in the scene with the green cone head. Starscream, Soundwave, and shockwave are all Megatrons generals, so it would make sense for them to be together with Megatron being gone. As far as I’m aware, starscream is the only seeker that can be safely associated with an established character. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 09:14, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Scroll down to Notes section. There's a reference to an EW article saying all the G1 characters in the opening Cybertron scene. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)
::I'm not sure how reliable that source is in this case. They can't spell Chris Latta. They state that the instructions for the coneheads were changed, when they were not. Various paragraphs mix the old toys and the new movies in confusing ways. And the quotation used to support Dirge's presence does not actually include his name, that is added by the author of the article and could be either saying that the specific conehead Dirge is in the movie or simply giving an example of a conehead from past fiction without saying what the names of any coneheads in the movie are (or even if they are named). Honestly, the writer needs to return not just the paycheck they received for that article, but also any and all diplomas, degrees, and certifications of education that they may have received. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:48, 10 January 2019 (EST)

So we can remove them from the list except starscream? He is thus far the only one who has enough to be inferred who he is. Just because he is named doesn’t mean it’s not him, shockwave goes unnamed in the film. See my first post if you are unaware of my reasoning. Sincerely [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 15:29, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Shockwave is named in the credits, by the way. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:23, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Thrust are explicitly named in the ILM visual development page (https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece/). Thus, I'd assume that there has been confirmation on their identities. [[User:Ed|Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed|talk]]) 02:31, 20 May 2019 (EDT)
:Dude, you're responding to a 4 month old thread. We are aware of the ILM source. We discussed it over a month ago in the section "Entertainment Weekly". But, given the fact that all of those mentioned there show up in MULTIPLE copies, the specific characters cannot be said to be in this film. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:10, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

== Shatter/Dropkick tracking Bumblebee error. ==
(First post here forgive me if I'm doing this wrong)

So I was reading the error section for this movie specifically how it claims that Shatter and Dropkick were tasked with tracking down B-127, while they do that after they detect his signal while interrogating Cliffjumper I didn't see anything in the film that indicated that they were hunting down Bumblebee specifically before that moment, since they were trying to find Prime it seems more likely that the two Decepticons were just tracking down and interrogating any Autobot they could for Prime's location and so happen to be near Bee while they were interrogating Cliffjumper, although this is just a theory perhaps they were tracking down Autobots this exact way with finding one and detecting signals of other Autobots and repeat the procedure until they find Cliff, again this part is just a theory but regardless nothing in the film indicates that the two Decepticons were looking for Bumblebee specifically prior to the Autobot beaming his signal.

The Blitzwing part however is fine and correct since it isn't explained how he was already there, either he was already on Earth (I mean he is a Seeker and maybe Seekers seek other worlds which is what they did in ROTF although they are presumably separate from the more classic versions in this movie) or he took off after Bumblebee's pod immediately after they launched whether specifically looking for Bee or was chasing his pod by chance. Although those are theories and not fact. --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 7:30, 12 January 2019 (EST)
:Yeah, I don't think the error as listed is correct. Shatter and Dropkick are hunting for Optimus, they happen to be interrogating Cliffjumper when they detect Bumblebee's signal and they go to find Bumblebee on the hunch he'll be more willing to talk. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:05, 23 January 2019 (EST)

== Just an idea ==
I don't know if there is a way we could do this but could we take a poll on whether people like the Bumblebee designs or the original movieverse designs better? Please don't hate me for this. I'm new here.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:09, 28 January 2019 (EST)
:TFWiki isn't the place for "social" stuff, that would be better suited for a Transformers discussion forum. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:54, 28 January 2019 (EST)

==Bumblebee's Place in Continuity==
It seems Hasbro referred to Bumblebee as [https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/02/16/transformers-brand-info-from-new-york-toy-fair-2019-fan-media-panel-hasbrotoyfair-383106 "a new storytelling universe" at the ToyFair panel over the weekend]. Now admittedly this statement is rather vague, but the general idea seems to imply the film is now a reboot, not a prequel to the Michael Bay franchise. I'm aware of the mass discussions in regards to the film's continuity prior to release, and I don't mean to dredge up old arguments, but I think this statement is atleast worth discussing. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:17, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:I don't see any point in discussing this until after the next movie.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:48, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:Christ, can people tamp down their continuity deckchair-shuffling boners for like three consecutive seconds. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 17 February 2019 (EST)
::I guess you can say it's ''pretty hard?'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:43, 17 February 2019 (EST)
: Is [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/travis-knight-talks-edits-continuity-and-turning-people-into-goo-in-new-interview/43204/ this good enough]? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:42, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

==Bumblebee Universal Designation==
Since the Bumblebee movie has been confirmed to be a reboot, and was obviously a new timeline in the first place, I propose we call the BB movie universe: Tyran 018.21 Delta. --[[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] 15:03, 15 March 2019 (EST)
:We've already discussed this, including right above your post. The statement they made was too vague to actually pull anything definitive from, so we're not making any calls about whether the movie is a prequel or reboot (and therefore requires a new designation) until we know what the next movie is. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::Also the movie is blatantly made to work either way (with allowances for how shoddy inter-film continuity is for the whole enterprise). If new movies do their own thing, that doesn't actually change how they approached and made this movie. And we're not using TT stream designations for anything anyway. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:32, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
:::That too. Unless something gets mentioned in future TransTech fiction (assuming there even is any), you probably won't see any new universal streams added to the wiki going forward. (Note that we don't have one for Cyberverse either.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:38, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::::I don't see how it is vague. It was clearly confirmed to be a reboot. --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:36, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::No, it wasn't. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Aside from any of that, [[Sector 7 Adventures: The Battle at Half Dome]] is tied to this movie and the previous ones. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:43, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

==Battletrap homage==
There's a note that states that Dropkick is an homage to Battletrap's appearance in "Cybertron's Most Wanted." Is there any evidence to back this up (say Travis Knight saying so like how he said Shatter is based on Nightbird), or is it just speculative? Because I don't remember hearing Mr. Knight saying anything about Dropkick's design. [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 10:57, 23 March 2019 (EDT)

== Entertainment Weekly ==
"An Entertainment Weekly article confirms some of the background characters in the scene set on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].<ref>[https://ew.com/movies/2018/12/22/bumblebee-spoilers-classic-transformers-opening-battle/2/ EW article on the Cybertron scene]</ref> "
Given all the errors in that article, I am tempted to just remove this from the page. How can we claim that it confirms anything when it gets so much wrong about the past? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:30, 24 March 2019 (EDT)
:I've pulled the note and removed the Seekers (other than Starscream) from the list. Find a source that is competent before re-adding. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:49, 27 March 2019 (EDT)
::[https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece From the horse's mouth.] Slide 28 concretely identifies them as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:49, 2 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Okay, that I can accept as a reliable source. The EW article I wouldn't even take as evidence for how to spell Entertainment Weekly, it was THAT bad.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:38, 4 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I wanna say that while obviously those Seeker colors were inspired by a few of the named Seekers over the years including being labeled as such in the concept art, I doubt those Seekers in the opening were those characters themselves only because the colors are reused for multiple Seekers, for example there are multiple "Thundercrackers" including the one Optimus pummels and the one Bumblebee knocks out of the way in vehicle mode before he knocks over and kills one of the many "Skywarps" in the scene, although it's possible any of these Seekers are indeed Skywarp,Thundercracker,Thrust,etc I'm not sure if that was the intent at the end, The colors I saw while watching a 4k version of the scene just today were besides the Thundercracker,Skywarp,Thrust ones there were the ROTF Dirge looking ones as well as an orange kind of Sunstorm Seeker that Bumblebee kicks a Skywarp head at and shortly before hand a mostly red Seeker in the background during the part where Bee knocks over two Seekers and finally there is a couple Seekers that uses Blitzwing's color scheme one of such is one of the Seekers that Prime shoots in the flashback and another is one of the many Seekers charging Prime at the end of the scene, funnily enough that one was right beside Shatter and Dropkick so that one might very well be Blitzwing himself but probably a coincidence, This fan made scale chart by Red Goblin (He's a very talented guy, I actually think he has some access or other to ILM renders, either that or he's really good at piecing together renders) while not an official source (probably) is a good film accurate showing of what colors were in the film. https://i.postimg.cc/2kRxjk5B/bumblebeeccons.png --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 5:46, 4 April 2019 (EST)

==pics==
I get why all the pics are of the bot scenes...but shouldn't Charlie be in a few? Swapping the final image for example from one at the bridge to Prime and Bee seems to run counter to the fact that she's the the primary protagonist. {{unsigned|Eire}}
:I agree. At the moment the selection of screencaps is giving a completely inaccurate impression of the film. We have more screeencaps featuring Soundwave than we do of Charlie (and the one that does is just the back of her head). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

== Digital comic ==
Question: the recent comic (Sector 7 adventures: the battle at half dome) released with the dvd has many elements that connect Bumblebee movie with the 2007 Transformers movie (like Banachek, Simmons's S7 t-shirt, Soundwave looking for the AllSpark, Megatron frozen etc...); so can we add those informations in this page? [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:That information would be better suited to a Battle at Half Dome page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:04, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::Yes, I know I know, but what I was saying is that (for example) in the section "continuity notes" there is written that the S7 doesn't know the Cybertronians and there is also written a supposition that project Iceman is so secret that only a small portion of employees knows about it. I asked if there could be done a link saying these theory is supported by the comic. [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:::Probably not. I guarantee you the scriptwriters were not thinking about any comic adaptations when the movie was being written; in its own self-contained context, there is no explanation. Besides, if there's anything we've learned from the Bumblebee Prequel, it's that the events of a comic tie-in can't be treated as lining up precisely with, or having any influence on, movie canon. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:23, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Ok thanks. {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:::::Just one last question: if what you're saying is true, why in Bumblebee's notes (character, not movie I mean) about his arrival on earth is made mention to the IDW comics? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
::::::Character articles cover all of a character's appearances in all works of fiction, even when they're incompatible with one another. Hence why the "IDW Comics" section is placed separately on the page from the "Movies" section. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:51, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
:::::::OK Thanks

== Escape Pods/Protoform ==
Does anyone else notice the Escape pods resemble the protoform reentry modes of the Michael Bay Movies? Would it be alright if I made a note of that in the Trivia section of the Protoform' page? Or is only having minor resemblance not conclusive evidence enough to make a note of it in the trivia section of that Protoform' page?

== The movie is no longer a prequel, it's a reboot ==

When the movie finally came out, it was declared to be a reboot officially. Shouldn't the page be altered to reflect that? Here is at least one source: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/streaming-june-2020-netflix-disney-plus-hulu-hbo-max/ --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:Please read the ''Bumblebee'' section on this page: [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers]]. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:45, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::Also, Bumblebee isn't even mentioned on that page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:12, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Transformers isn't mentioned on that page, either. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::::I assume they meant to link to [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/bumblebee-official-transformers-reboot-hasbro/ this], which is simply re-reporting the "new storytelling universe" quote which is already covered on the page Escargon linked to. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::And, even if it were completely out of continuity with the previous films, I can't see it as being separate enough to warrant splitting pages. It would still seem to fall in the same continuity family and would be covered on the pre-existing movie-verse pages just as the many separate G1 universes are covered on the same pages (barring splits for length). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:07, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

== so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? ==

Like, in the 2007 movie prequel comic, he lost his voice to Megatron before chasing after the allspark. Why did Travis change it? Mikey. 17:32, 10 November 2020 (EST)Mikey. 17:03, 10 November 2020 (EST)
::The 2007 movie prequel comic is a part of the IDW Movie universe which in turn is a splinter timeline consisting only of the first 3 films. AOE, TLK and Bumblebee are not in anyway related to the IDW movie comics. Plus, we still need to wait and see if Bumblebee is even part of the same film continuity or whether it is an official reboot.

::Also, please sign your name using 4 of the ~ symbols, it automatically codes it with your user link and makes the timestamp accurate :) [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 17:18, 10 November 2020 (EST)
okay? But.. um... age of extinction and the last knight NEVER contradicted the comics, so they should still be canon to the main 5 movies timeline. Hell, age of extinction and the last knight DIDN'T mention that bumblebee losing his voice was a different cause, so why change it? I'm sorry, but to me, the comics are more connected then the bee movie. (Also, I'm new here, so I may have gotten this stuff wrong, sorry.) Mikey. 17:32, 10 November 2020 (EST)

Talk:Bumblebee (film)

2020-11-10T22:32:24Z

Michael dunlap.: /* so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? */

[[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers#Bumblebee|NOT CALLING IT A REBOOT]]. WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MOVIE.
==Lawsuit?==
So Hasbro just filed a Lawsuit with DC Comics for the Bumblebee Name. [http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/bumblebee-trademark-transformers-dc-comics-warner-bros-1202541577/] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 04:45, 30 August 2017 (EDT)
:Ah no wait, it's over. DC & Hasbro are cool. [http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/08/17/the-battle-of-the-bumblebees-is-over-hasbro-and-dc-comics-settle-bumblebee-trademark-dispute-370180] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 19:22, 11 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream==
Should Starscream be in the cast list here, when we've not actually had any official announcement/confirmation that the character in the trailer is him? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:58, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
:Nope. --[[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 01:11, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::Aw, come on! Its quite obviously supposed to be starscream, the head design is a slightly more g1-ifies version of michael bay starscream. The colors of the jet (what can be seen of it) are starscream colors, red air intakes, white nose area, and even a orange cockpit. It is highly unlikely this starscream homage isnt him, its clearly a more g1-ified version of michael bay starscream. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:13, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:::It's not uncommon for [[Blackout (Movie)|movie]] [[Grindor (ROTF)|characters]] to [[Crankcase (DOTM)|not]] [[Berserker|be]] who you think they are. Until Starscream is officially confirmed, we gotta play it safe. [[User:Ikkad|Ikkad]] ([[User talk:Ikkad|talk]]) 14:14, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::: Only one [[Barricade (Movie)|decepticon]] has been confirmed for the movie. Starscream has not been confirmed yet. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 19:34, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Get rekt, it’s confirmed as screamer now! [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 08:24, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
:The rudeness is hardly necessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:51, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, I meant it in a friendlier manner. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:53, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

The reason they had to make an official announcement was because you people kept speculating that it wasn't Starscream when it blattantly was. It's a soft reboot. He doesn't have to turn into a Dorito F-22 to be the same character. This has been common knowledge for months.[[User:Leo1452|King Kid]] ([[User talk:Leo1452|talk]]) 12:03, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
:Well I for one have always enjoyed crow when topped with a little (Whataburger) ketchup. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:55, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

This just in: That Scream is now Blitzwing. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:48, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:...that just in literally a month ago hence my last comment above. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 20:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

== /* Timeline and Continuity */ ==
This movie is a reboot because if not they should find the way to explain how Bumblebee fought in the WW2, because this movie is supposedly to be the first time Bumblebee came to Earth--[[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:29, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Can somebody edit in the fact that this is now officially a reboot since Hasbro has now officially confirmed it? [[User:DrXshock|DrXshock]] ([[User talk:DrXshock|talk]]) 17:51, 17 February 2019 (EST) 22:50, 17 February 2019 (GMT)
==toyline?==
Is there a toyline? I know the movie has a while to release, but we knew about titans return about a year before release. Why do t we know about this toyline?
[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

There might be. I have seen pictures showing a prototype of a volkswagen beetle Bumblebee ( redeco from TLK new bumblebee ) [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:29, 10 June 2018 (EDT

:The toyline will be absorbed into ''Studio Series.'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
==Is this really a reboot?==
I have heard that the reboot is cancelled, but the past events in the movies just don't match up.
Bumblebee went to earth with Hot Rod and fought in world war 2 (ww2) there. Instead the movie shows bumblebee's first time on earth.
So is this a start to the reboot or just a confusing event in the Bayformers Movies? [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
:Dude, it really doesn't matter right now, the movie isn't out yet. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

==bumblebee design==
Is it me, or does bumblebee kinda look like the cancelled alternators g1 bumblebee? If anyone else picks up on this, should we put it in the (currently nonexistent) trivia area that his design is possibly an homage to said toy? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:55, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

==female Decepticon==
A youtuber, AndySupreme99, claims that he saw the trailer at Cinemacon. He says that there is a female Decepticon. Have any of you seen the trailer he mentioned?
:We obviously know now that this was referring to Shatter, but for the record, we need a better source than "This YouTuber says..." next time. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:19, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

==new characters confirmed==
The director has confirmed that Cliffjumper, Soundwave and Shockwave will be on Cybertron. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 06:53, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:Source? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:47, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
::When I googled, I found a bunch of excited fan videos pointing back to a wordpress blog which mentioned Travis Knight in terms of his appearance at San Diego Comic Con, and then launched into a bunch of other details that were not obviously sourced to anything Knight said. I don't think we should be inclined to add them based on that. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

::Now we all know that it is true because of the second trailer, but we should get an official source first next time instead of info from a fan made video. [[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:38, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

== Can we not add pages for background randos who may or may not be characters? ==
Have people already forgotten when everyone though Blitzwing was actually Starscream? We shouldn't be saying Acid Storm is in the film, when there's the possibility that the green dude might well turn out to be a completely new character. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:38, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
:Sorry, I should've probably just waited or not do it at all instead of telling people to delete if they didn't like it. But I didn't think it would be taken to this extent where pages were being made. Once again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:09, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
::The first rule of wikis is that if there is a red link, *somebody* is gonna fill it. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 01:29, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream Part 2==
This fits better here than on Bltizwing's article's talk page, where I'd posted it first:

''We're swiftly disabused of that notion thanks to a barrage of familiar faces including Decepticon premiereship players Shockwave, Starscream and Blitzwing, all in their original, first generation forms.''

This is obviously an incorrect take on the trailer, as Blitzwing is assuredly not there in his "original, first generation form." We therefore can't take the article's identification of Starscream as definitive, especially given that this isn't the first time we've seen a Starscream-looking dude in a trailer, and he turned out named something else. Note that Starscream is not mentioned in any of the article's direct quotes of Travis Knight. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:I understand what you mean, but in the background of the Shockwave shot, we see a bot that looks different than Blitzwing, and has more similarities to Starscream. We can especially tell because the international trailer shows us Blitzwing's body. If this ends being Blitzwing ''too'' (for some reason) than sure. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::We cannot positively ID that guy as Starscream at this point, certainly not based on a sentence that contains at least one clear error. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:37, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Blitzwing being in his Generation One style form can just be the error, and that's it. And besides, if Starscream wasnt in the actual movie, wouldn't you think they would've scrubbed his name by now? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:49, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::A version of G1 Blitzwing does not appear in the trailer, and that mistaken impression by the author has not been corrected. That mistake renders the sentence unreliable. The author thinks that one Seeker on Cybertron is Starscream, and maybe it is, but we've been down the "this Seeker-looking dude is clearly Starscream" road once already, and we know how that turned out. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:58, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::One incorrect part of a sentence doesn't cancel out the whole sentence. It is true that Shockwave and other characters appear in their G1 style bodies. Let's get at a compromise. If the movie comes out and that Seeker in the background isn't Starscream, then, we remove it. But for now we keep it so we can remember. Dealio? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::No. What? No. When the movie comes out this'll all be moot. We're talking about what our articles are presenting to readers right now as confirmed facts about an upcoming release. And actually, yes, that one error does make the whole sentence unreliable, as it auggests that it's just the author's impression of the trailer and not info from an actual production source. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 19:13, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, let's just delete the Starscream stuff for now and see what happens. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:04, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Fine. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:17, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
Welp, looks like the new, short featurette made this guy look EVEN more like Starscream. By the way, I have "Starscream" hidden along with the other background bots; if the movie comes out, and it turns out this isn't Blitzwing or anyone else, then we can probably un-hide him, along with everyone else. Guess we'll find out soon! [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:48, 5 December 2018 (EST)

== Mr. Bee caption ==
I really don't care for it, but the context of that caption is that it's from the Bee Movie during the trial scene with Barry Vs. The Human Race. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:03, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:I know what it's from, I just think it's gross.
:Also Sipher removed it once already, and he's an admin, so. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 11:15, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
::Yeah, I totally agree. Just figured I might add some context. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:07, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:::Good news, its been taken care of in the form of the famous "You like Jazz?" [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 18:29, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

== Officialy Confirmed Characters ==
Recently characters like Arcee,Cliffjumper, Ratchet and Starscream were confirmed in an official featurette. Should we add them?[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:17, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:I feel like at this point we can afford to wait three weeks for the film to actually come out before adding tons of characters to the cast list. We've previously had shots of characters in trailers/preview material which have not been in the finished film. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:28, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::Besides, just because someone looks like a character doesn't mean they actually are. Remember "Starscream"? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:30, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::If the "featurette" is the video linked here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFv6JVFApk Bumblebee - First Generation Design - Paramount Pictures UK], there is nothing in that video that confirms those characters. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:46, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::::Seems to be referencing this TFW2005 article about that featurette http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/11/27/transformers-bumblebee-designing-g1-featurette-jointhebuzz-377449 Which includes some blurry screenshots with background characters circled. Which is not confirmation of who these characters are, especially since you can barely see them. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:57, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::::'''EDIT:''' Yeah, that. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 27 November 2018 (EST)

==The novel==
Warning: Spoilers!

The movie novel confirms that there is one more human character named Sheriff Lock who chases Bee and the humans in a tunnel before Bee damages his cop car by jumping on the hood. We should add him because this is from an official source.[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 11:00, 29 November 2018 (EST)
: Characters in novelizations don't always show up in the movie itself. There's no rush; we can wait a few weeks. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:02, 29 November 2018 (EST)

== The Hoover Dam in the Trailer. ==
This may be useless information, but it could also be of some interest to some.
I was born in Las Vegas and have lived here for most of my life.....I was born in the 70's BTW.
Anyways as a kid (and even now) I loved going to the Hoover Dam, so I know a bit about it's appearance throughout the years and decades.
So the movie takes place in 1988 right?
If that is the case the way the Dam looked in the trailer (I believe it was in the second trailer) is not correct for the time period.
The parking structure and new visitors center that can be seen on the west (Nevada) side the Dam in the trailer was built (added) in the mid 90's.
I did try to find some sample pics from the 80's online, but could not find any that were stamped for that time period. But I do have two post cards from my personal collection that I did get around that time, that shows how the Hoover Dam would appear in 1988. (I can send pics of them if need be).
So like I said this is not really important info about the movie, but I thought it should at least be said and addressed, you know for the whole "real world" "continuity" section or something. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 04:55, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I would suggest waiting until after the film is released before adding any real-world comparisons like that, so as to make sure it accurately reflects the final version. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:11, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I agree and that does makes sense, because they may change it, or perhaps the scene takes place at some other time period in the film, when I do see the movie I will let you know if it still is an issue. [[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 01:35, 5 December 2018 (EST)
:I just wanted to give a follow up to this subject that I began in the first place. I finally saw the movie, which was awesome BTW, and it seems that the shot of the Dam that was used in the trailer was NOT used in the final film, and the shot that was seemed to be done in such a way to not show any of those structures that I mentioned as being built after the 80's. So I have to say they (the director and editor) did a pretty decent job. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 03:04, 4 January 2019 (EST)

==thundercracker==
I’m not sure if it’s just a generic or not, but there’s a seeker colored suspiciously like thundercracker. Does anyone else think it’s thundercracker or is it just me? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 16:35, 14 December 2018 (EST)
:Dude, just wait a WEEK and you can find out for sure. Geez, what is this obsession people have with playing "wow, that blur in the background looks kind of like random character number 382. If I squint."?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:24, 14 December 2018 (EST)

==Open editing please?==
When will regular users be able to edit this? The movie's already out... [[User:Autoboty|Autoboty]] ([[User talk:Autoboty|talk]]) 05:18, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:"expires 21:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)". It's only 6:30 am on the East Coast. Not many have had a chance to see it yet... - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 06:26, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:For Christ's sake, would it kill people to just wait a few days and then add information? This does not need to be immediately added; in fact, it's better that it's not, because it gives you time to write up a concise summary. Just...chill. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:01, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:The article is unlocked now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:03, 21 December 2018 (EST)

== New universe ==
Since the new film is clearly settled in a new continuity, should we move the new informations of the characters in a separate section in their own pages or create totally new pages ? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:Same page, we would only make a new page if it's a new continuity family. There is also a discussion on how to tackle the Bee movie [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The Bumblebee Movie|here]]. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:26, 22 December 2018 (EST)

== Caption theme for this film? ==
So what is it this time around? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 00:33, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:It has been Bee Movie so far, don’t know if it’s going to change [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 00:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Bee Movie. There can be only one. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:01, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::''Hey, I've never seen the Bee Movie. I had no clue!'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:::I hear it made a real buzz at the box office! - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:04, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::::I will kill you. --[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:05, 28 January 2019 (EST)

== Sector Seven's "first contact" ==
The Sector Seven unit seen in the film calls the entire Bumblebee/Blitzwing fight, and later the meeting with Shatter and Dropkick as "first contact", which seems to imply that this is the first time that Sector Seven has seen Cybertronians. But as we know, at that point in time, Megatron and the Allspark are very clearly in possession of S7. Currently, this is stated to be a continuity error... But is there a chance that the Unit involved under Burns doesn't know of the entire story behind Megatron? Remember, in TF1, Banachek, said that the entire footage acquired from Transformers was deemed "beyond Top Secret." Using real-life Top Secrecy protocols, it isn't hard to imagine that even S7 wouldn't tell their field teams what was going on in their secret base, either A. because they simply don't have to know, or B. in case of interrogation, the soldiers can't tell anything useful.

The same can be said of allowing Shatter and Dropkick inside Hoover Dam: the field team could know the HQ, but wouldn't know the entirety of the story. And of course, the files that Shatter/Dropkick search through could be doctored, with some sensitive information removed or placed behind bars, allowing access but keeping some of the files a secrecy. Traces of Cybertronian-originated tech inside the files could simply be replaced with the cover-up stories S7 has used before, possibly even to the field teams.

Just a theory based on real-life protocols, and some careful speculation.

[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 07:34, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Given they cut a scene they filmed showing frozen ('''G1''') Megatron, they may or may not have Megs and the Allspark in the *Bumblebee* continuity. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:05, 27 December 2018 (EST)

:Admittedly it's been a while since I watched the 2007 film, but Megs was (a) found frozen (and offline?) and (b) kept frozen (and offline?), right? So they can still have him in the freezer and consider this first contact, because it was the first ''actual'' contact, with the words and the talking. Like many things with continuity between these movies, I think it can work if you squint. A lot. --[[User:Guntrip|Guntrip]] ([[User talk:Guntrip|talk]]) 05:54, 28 December 2018 (EST)
::If I were Sector 7, I would not consider Megatron's body to be first contact. And as Travis Knight made clear in interviews, Megatron does not cameo in this film because he is meant to be frozen at the Hoover Dam when the film is set. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 12:39, 28 December 2018 (EST)

== Bumblebee's potential design change ==
Wasn't 100% sure if this was noteworthy enough to add, so I figured I'd bring it up here first. The more complex toys, namely the Studio Series and Masterpiece figures, depict Bumblebee as having the traditional "car wings"- this is an element that is present in some promotional material as well, specifically with [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/92/ed/6e92edad8057c2a68dee54513fd80a59.jpg Entenmann's products showing Bee with his "wings"], leading me to believe it was a minor design change late into the game and not the result of general kibble. In the final film, as far as I can recall, his doors are just folded onto his back to give him a cleaner look. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:37, 4 January 2019 (EST)

== Cliffjumper's cameo ==
So I could just start a revert war, because 'NO' isn't a real persuasive argument, but I'll do this instead, 'cause I think I got a solid case.

In the last 20+ years of Transformers lore, Cliffjumper is famous for one thing and one thing only: showing up as a named, headlining character in a flagship TV show, only to be captured, interrogated and brutally murdered within minutes of his debut. This is ''by far'' the most distinctive and memorable thing the mythos-arc character of Cliffjumper has done. You gotta go back 35 years to him calling people traitor to find something similarly definitive.

Now for the movie scene on whatever moon it was, the writers could have chosen ''literally any character''. They coulda put Huffer or Gears or Cosmos or Windcharger or Blurr or Outback or a generic or ''anybody'' in that scene, but no. When they needed a character to be captured, interrogated, act defiant and get shockingly killed, they went to the one character whose ''defining trait'' is that he was ''captured, interrogated, acted defiant and got shockingly killed''.

If that seems like a reach, the bigger reach is saying that they just landed on that character ''totally by coincidence''; that out of 18 '84 Autobots and dozens of subsequent ones available, they just. so. happened. to pick that one, ''without'' being aware of his recent history. I don't buy that.

Now if we've heard from the scriptwriters or whoever added that character in there that, whoa, hey, wow, we had no idea that was a thing!, then that's different; but y'all gotta show me the money. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 12:46, 7 January 2019 (EST)
: Conversely, the interrogation scenes are different enough (Prime Cliffjumper gets his spark crushed, BB Cliffjumper is bisected) that I'd need to see it from the the scriptwriters that it was intentional. And being honest, I'm willing to be the reason why Cliffjumper was chosen to die was because he's about 95% the same model as Bumblebee's Cybertronian form, and thus was easy to do instead of some other all new guy.

: All in all, sometimes a similar scene is just a similar scene. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:42, 7 January 2019 (EST)

::I also call bull on the notion that Cliffjumper's "defining trait" is "get shockingly killed". On top of that, it further strains credibility of the claim to have just this one singular non-G1 non-movie reference out of aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the past-TF references in the movie, especially when, as noted, it involves a recycled model for a scene that would almost certainly predate the reshoots and added Cybertron footage. In a movie where they actually re-create specific shots from the old animation, you'd think they'd have done that there too if they were actually making the reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:04, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:Rob, they used Cliffjumper because Cliffjumper can use the same Cybertronian body that they already modeled for Bumblebee. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 14:16, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:: Fair enough, outvoted etc.
:: Not sure this comment works as an explanation, though. Of course they reskinned a model where it was an option, but they coulda reskinned anybody. They coulda killed off Bluestreak or Smokescreen or Outback or an obscurity or a generic. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 18:11, 8 January 2019 (EST)
::: The expanded Cybertronian scenes were a later addition, and so Bumblebee's Cybertronian mode was likely available much sooner. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:34, 8 January 2019 (EST)

Even if the authors didn't intend it, it still happened. We're the ones who spot the similarities and I'm on board with noting it on the page, though using phrases like "...is similar to..." as opposed to "...is inspired by...". Same thing goes with "homage," which assumes deliberate planning. Two things can resemble each other either on purpose or by accident, it's still fair to point out the resemblence. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:54, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:That's always been something we've ''actively'' avoided doing. We even have a template for it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:06, 7 January 2019 (EST)
::And I quote...
{{Notareference}}
::-- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:24, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:::Yeah, we are not filling up our references sections with things that we merely find similar. That's not what the references section is for. That's why we have the template. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:27, 7 January 2019 (EST)

==Seekers==
It says dirge is in the film, the only conehead you see clearly (and even has a pic on this site) is green. Also, the purple seeker on Cybertron resembles slipstream in colors more than it does Skywarp. Hell, it probably isn’t even either character, just a generic. I think we should remove the seekers names from the characters list besides starscream, as the others aren’t named. While starscream isn’t named in the film, the shots on Cybertron resemble his g1 self and he is the closest standing to shockwave in the scene with the green cone head. Starscream, Soundwave, and shockwave are all Megatrons generals, so it would make sense for them to be together with Megatron being gone. As far as I’m aware, starscream is the only seeker that can be safely associated with an established character. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 09:14, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Scroll down to Notes section. There's a reference to an EW article saying all the G1 characters in the opening Cybertron scene. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)
::I'm not sure how reliable that source is in this case. They can't spell Chris Latta. They state that the instructions for the coneheads were changed, when they were not. Various paragraphs mix the old toys and the new movies in confusing ways. And the quotation used to support Dirge's presence does not actually include his name, that is added by the author of the article and could be either saying that the specific conehead Dirge is in the movie or simply giving an example of a conehead from past fiction without saying what the names of any coneheads in the movie are (or even if they are named). Honestly, the writer needs to return not just the paycheck they received for that article, but also any and all diplomas, degrees, and certifications of education that they may have received. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:48, 10 January 2019 (EST)

So we can remove them from the list except starscream? He is thus far the only one who has enough to be inferred who he is. Just because he is named doesn’t mean it’s not him, shockwave goes unnamed in the film. See my first post if you are unaware of my reasoning. Sincerely [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 15:29, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Shockwave is named in the credits, by the way. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:23, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Thrust are explicitly named in the ILM visual development page (https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece/). Thus, I'd assume that there has been confirmation on their identities. [[User:Ed|Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed|talk]]) 02:31, 20 May 2019 (EDT)
:Dude, you're responding to a 4 month old thread. We are aware of the ILM source. We discussed it over a month ago in the section "Entertainment Weekly". But, given the fact that all of those mentioned there show up in MULTIPLE copies, the specific characters cannot be said to be in this film. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:10, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

== Shatter/Dropkick tracking Bumblebee error. ==
(First post here forgive me if I'm doing this wrong)

So I was reading the error section for this movie specifically how it claims that Shatter and Dropkick were tasked with tracking down B-127, while they do that after they detect his signal while interrogating Cliffjumper I didn't see anything in the film that indicated that they were hunting down Bumblebee specifically before that moment, since they were trying to find Prime it seems more likely that the two Decepticons were just tracking down and interrogating any Autobot they could for Prime's location and so happen to be near Bee while they were interrogating Cliffjumper, although this is just a theory perhaps they were tracking down Autobots this exact way with finding one and detecting signals of other Autobots and repeat the procedure until they find Cliff, again this part is just a theory but regardless nothing in the film indicates that the two Decepticons were looking for Bumblebee specifically prior to the Autobot beaming his signal.

The Blitzwing part however is fine and correct since it isn't explained how he was already there, either he was already on Earth (I mean he is a Seeker and maybe Seekers seek other worlds which is what they did in ROTF although they are presumably separate from the more classic versions in this movie) or he took off after Bumblebee's pod immediately after they launched whether specifically looking for Bee or was chasing his pod by chance. Although those are theories and not fact. --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 7:30, 12 January 2019 (EST)
:Yeah, I don't think the error as listed is correct. Shatter and Dropkick are hunting for Optimus, they happen to be interrogating Cliffjumper when they detect Bumblebee's signal and they go to find Bumblebee on the hunch he'll be more willing to talk. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:05, 23 January 2019 (EST)

== Just an idea ==
I don't know if there is a way we could do this but could we take a poll on whether people like the Bumblebee designs or the original movieverse designs better? Please don't hate me for this. I'm new here.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:09, 28 January 2019 (EST)
:TFWiki isn't the place for "social" stuff, that would be better suited for a Transformers discussion forum. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:54, 28 January 2019 (EST)

==Bumblebee's Place in Continuity==
It seems Hasbro referred to Bumblebee as [https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/02/16/transformers-brand-info-from-new-york-toy-fair-2019-fan-media-panel-hasbrotoyfair-383106 "a new storytelling universe" at the ToyFair panel over the weekend]. Now admittedly this statement is rather vague, but the general idea seems to imply the film is now a reboot, not a prequel to the Michael Bay franchise. I'm aware of the mass discussions in regards to the film's continuity prior to release, and I don't mean to dredge up old arguments, but I think this statement is atleast worth discussing. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:17, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:I don't see any point in discussing this until after the next movie.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:48, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:Christ, can people tamp down their continuity deckchair-shuffling boners for like three consecutive seconds. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 17 February 2019 (EST)
::I guess you can say it's ''pretty hard?'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:43, 17 February 2019 (EST)
: Is [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/travis-knight-talks-edits-continuity-and-turning-people-into-goo-in-new-interview/43204/ this good enough]? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:42, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

==Bumblebee Universal Designation==
Since the Bumblebee movie has been confirmed to be a reboot, and was obviously a new timeline in the first place, I propose we call the BB movie universe: Tyran 018.21 Delta. --[[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] 15:03, 15 March 2019 (EST)
:We've already discussed this, including right above your post. The statement they made was too vague to actually pull anything definitive from, so we're not making any calls about whether the movie is a prequel or reboot (and therefore requires a new designation) until we know what the next movie is. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::Also the movie is blatantly made to work either way (with allowances for how shoddy inter-film continuity is for the whole enterprise). If new movies do their own thing, that doesn't actually change how they approached and made this movie. And we're not using TT stream designations for anything anyway. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:32, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
:::That too. Unless something gets mentioned in future TransTech fiction (assuming there even is any), you probably won't see any new universal streams added to the wiki going forward. (Note that we don't have one for Cyberverse either.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:38, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::::I don't see how it is vague. It was clearly confirmed to be a reboot. --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:36, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::No, it wasn't. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Aside from any of that, [[Sector 7 Adventures: The Battle at Half Dome]] is tied to this movie and the previous ones. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:43, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

==Battletrap homage==
There's a note that states that Dropkick is an homage to Battletrap's appearance in "Cybertron's Most Wanted." Is there any evidence to back this up (say Travis Knight saying so like how he said Shatter is based on Nightbird), or is it just speculative? Because I don't remember hearing Mr. Knight saying anything about Dropkick's design. [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 10:57, 23 March 2019 (EDT)

== Entertainment Weekly ==
"An Entertainment Weekly article confirms some of the background characters in the scene set on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].<ref>[https://ew.com/movies/2018/12/22/bumblebee-spoilers-classic-transformers-opening-battle/2/ EW article on the Cybertron scene]</ref> "
Given all the errors in that article, I am tempted to just remove this from the page. How can we claim that it confirms anything when it gets so much wrong about the past? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:30, 24 March 2019 (EDT)
:I've pulled the note and removed the Seekers (other than Starscream) from the list. Find a source that is competent before re-adding. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:49, 27 March 2019 (EDT)
::[https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece From the horse's mouth.] Slide 28 concretely identifies them as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:49, 2 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Okay, that I can accept as a reliable source. The EW article I wouldn't even take as evidence for how to spell Entertainment Weekly, it was THAT bad.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:38, 4 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I wanna say that while obviously those Seeker colors were inspired by a few of the named Seekers over the years including being labeled as such in the concept art, I doubt those Seekers in the opening were those characters themselves only because the colors are reused for multiple Seekers, for example there are multiple "Thundercrackers" including the one Optimus pummels and the one Bumblebee knocks out of the way in vehicle mode before he knocks over and kills one of the many "Skywarps" in the scene, although it's possible any of these Seekers are indeed Skywarp,Thundercracker,Thrust,etc I'm not sure if that was the intent at the end, The colors I saw while watching a 4k version of the scene just today were besides the Thundercracker,Skywarp,Thrust ones there were the ROTF Dirge looking ones as well as an orange kind of Sunstorm Seeker that Bumblebee kicks a Skywarp head at and shortly before hand a mostly red Seeker in the background during the part where Bee knocks over two Seekers and finally there is a couple Seekers that uses Blitzwing's color scheme one of such is one of the Seekers that Prime shoots in the flashback and another is one of the many Seekers charging Prime at the end of the scene, funnily enough that one was right beside Shatter and Dropkick so that one might very well be Blitzwing himself but probably a coincidence, This fan made scale chart by Red Goblin (He's a very talented guy, I actually think he has some access or other to ILM renders, either that or he's really good at piecing together renders) while not an official source (probably) is a good film accurate showing of what colors were in the film. https://i.postimg.cc/2kRxjk5B/bumblebeeccons.png --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 5:46, 4 April 2019 (EST)

==pics==
I get why all the pics are of the bot scenes...but shouldn't Charlie be in a few? Swapping the final image for example from one at the bridge to Prime and Bee seems to run counter to the fact that she's the the primary protagonist. {{unsigned|Eire}}
:I agree. At the moment the selection of screencaps is giving a completely inaccurate impression of the film. We have more screeencaps featuring Soundwave than we do of Charlie (and the one that does is just the back of her head). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

== Digital comic ==
Question: the recent comic (Sector 7 adventures: the battle at half dome) released with the dvd has many elements that connect Bumblebee movie with the 2007 Transformers movie (like Banachek, Simmons's S7 t-shirt, Soundwave looking for the AllSpark, Megatron frozen etc...); so can we add those informations in this page? [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:That information would be better suited to a Battle at Half Dome page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:04, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::Yes, I know I know, but what I was saying is that (for example) in the section "continuity notes" there is written that the S7 doesn't know the Cybertronians and there is also written a supposition that project Iceman is so secret that only a small portion of employees knows about it. I asked if there could be done a link saying these theory is supported by the comic. [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:::Probably not. I guarantee you the scriptwriters were not thinking about any comic adaptations when the movie was being written; in its own self-contained context, there is no explanation. Besides, if there's anything we've learned from the Bumblebee Prequel, it's that the events of a comic tie-in can't be treated as lining up precisely with, or having any influence on, movie canon. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:23, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Ok thanks. {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:::::Just one last question: if what you're saying is true, why in Bumblebee's notes (character, not movie I mean) about his arrival on earth is made mention to the IDW comics? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
::::::Character articles cover all of a character's appearances in all works of fiction, even when they're incompatible with one another. Hence why the "IDW Comics" section is placed separately on the page from the "Movies" section. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:51, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
:::::::OK Thanks

== Escape Pods/Protoform ==
Does anyone else notice the Escape pods resemble the protoform reentry modes of the Michael Bay Movies? Would it be alright if I made a note of that in the Trivia section of the Protoform' page? Or is only having minor resemblance not conclusive evidence enough to make a note of it in the trivia section of that Protoform' page?

== The movie is no longer a prequel, it's a reboot ==

When the movie finally came out, it was declared to be a reboot officially. Shouldn't the page be altered to reflect that? Here is at least one source: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/streaming-june-2020-netflix-disney-plus-hulu-hbo-max/ --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:Please read the ''Bumblebee'' section on this page: [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers]]. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:45, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::Also, Bumblebee isn't even mentioned on that page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:12, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Transformers isn't mentioned on that page, either. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::::I assume they meant to link to [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/bumblebee-official-transformers-reboot-hasbro/ this], which is simply re-reporting the "new storytelling universe" quote which is already covered on the page Escargon linked to. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::And, even if it were completely out of continuity with the previous films, I can't see it as being separate enough to warrant splitting pages. It would still seem to fall in the same continuity family and would be covered on the pre-existing movie-verse pages just as the many separate G1 universes are covered on the same pages (barring splits for length). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:07, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

== so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? ==

Like, in the 2007 movie prequel comic, he lost his voice to Megatron before chasing after the allspark. Why did Travis change it? Mikey. 17:32, 10 November 2020 (EST)Mikey. 17:03, 10 November 2020 (EST)
::The 2007 movie prequel comic is a part of the IDW Movie universe which in turn is a splinter timeline consisting only of the first 3 films. AOE, TLK and Bumblebee are not in anyway related to the IDW movie comics. Plus, we still need to wait and see if Bumblebee is even part of the same film continuity or whether it is an official reboot.

::Also, please sign your name using 4 of the ~ symbols, it automatically codes it with your user link and makes the timestamp accurate :) [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 17:18, 10 November 2020 (EST)
okay? But.. um... age of extinction and the last knight NEVER contradicted the comics, so they should still be canon to the main 5 movies timeline. Hell, age of extinction and the last knight DIDN'T mention that bumblebee losing his voice was a different cause, so why change it? I'm sorry, but to me, the comics are more connected then the bee movie. (Also, I'm new here, so I may have gotten this stuff wrong, sorry.) Mikey. 17:32, 10 November 2020 (EST)michael dunlap

Talk:Bumblebee (film)

2020-11-10T22:08:11Z

Michael dunlap.: /* so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? */

[[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers#Bumblebee|NOT CALLING IT A REBOOT]]. WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MOVIE.
==Lawsuit?==
So Hasbro just filed a Lawsuit with DC Comics for the Bumblebee Name. [http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/bumblebee-trademark-transformers-dc-comics-warner-bros-1202541577/] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 04:45, 30 August 2017 (EDT)
:Ah no wait, it's over. DC & Hasbro are cool. [http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/08/17/the-battle-of-the-bumblebees-is-over-hasbro-and-dc-comics-settle-bumblebee-trademark-dispute-370180] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 19:22, 11 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream==
Should Starscream be in the cast list here, when we've not actually had any official announcement/confirmation that the character in the trailer is him? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:58, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
:Nope. --[[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 01:11, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::Aw, come on! Its quite obviously supposed to be starscream, the head design is a slightly more g1-ifies version of michael bay starscream. The colors of the jet (what can be seen of it) are starscream colors, red air intakes, white nose area, and even a orange cockpit. It is highly unlikely this starscream homage isnt him, its clearly a more g1-ified version of michael bay starscream. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:13, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:::It's not uncommon for [[Blackout (Movie)|movie]] [[Grindor (ROTF)|characters]] to [[Crankcase (DOTM)|not]] [[Berserker|be]] who you think they are. Until Starscream is officially confirmed, we gotta play it safe. [[User:Ikkad|Ikkad]] ([[User talk:Ikkad|talk]]) 14:14, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::: Only one [[Barricade (Movie)|decepticon]] has been confirmed for the movie. Starscream has not been confirmed yet. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 19:34, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Get rekt, it’s confirmed as screamer now! [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 08:24, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
:The rudeness is hardly necessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:51, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, I meant it in a friendlier manner. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:53, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

The reason they had to make an official announcement was because you people kept speculating that it wasn't Starscream when it blattantly was. It's a soft reboot. He doesn't have to turn into a Dorito F-22 to be the same character. This has been common knowledge for months.[[User:Leo1452|King Kid]] ([[User talk:Leo1452|talk]]) 12:03, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
:Well I for one have always enjoyed crow when topped with a little (Whataburger) ketchup. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:55, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

This just in: That Scream is now Blitzwing. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:48, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:...that just in literally a month ago hence my last comment above. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 20:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

== /* Timeline and Continuity */ ==
This movie is a reboot because if not they should find the way to explain how Bumblebee fought in the WW2, because this movie is supposedly to be the first time Bumblebee came to Earth--[[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:29, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Can somebody edit in the fact that this is now officially a reboot since Hasbro has now officially confirmed it? [[User:DrXshock|DrXshock]] ([[User talk:DrXshock|talk]]) 17:51, 17 February 2019 (EST) 22:50, 17 February 2019 (GMT)
==toyline?==
Is there a toyline? I know the movie has a while to release, but we knew about titans return about a year before release. Why do t we know about this toyline?
[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

There might be. I have seen pictures showing a prototype of a volkswagen beetle Bumblebee ( redeco from TLK new bumblebee ) [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:29, 10 June 2018 (EDT

:The toyline will be absorbed into ''Studio Series.'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
==Is this really a reboot?==
I have heard that the reboot is cancelled, but the past events in the movies just don't match up.
Bumblebee went to earth with Hot Rod and fought in world war 2 (ww2) there. Instead the movie shows bumblebee's first time on earth.
So is this a start to the reboot or just a confusing event in the Bayformers Movies? [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
:Dude, it really doesn't matter right now, the movie isn't out yet. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

==bumblebee design==
Is it me, or does bumblebee kinda look like the cancelled alternators g1 bumblebee? If anyone else picks up on this, should we put it in the (currently nonexistent) trivia area that his design is possibly an homage to said toy? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:55, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

==female Decepticon==
A youtuber, AndySupreme99, claims that he saw the trailer at Cinemacon. He says that there is a female Decepticon. Have any of you seen the trailer he mentioned?
:We obviously know now that this was referring to Shatter, but for the record, we need a better source than "This YouTuber says..." next time. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:19, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

==new characters confirmed==
The director has confirmed that Cliffjumper, Soundwave and Shockwave will be on Cybertron. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 06:53, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:Source? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:47, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
::When I googled, I found a bunch of excited fan videos pointing back to a wordpress blog which mentioned Travis Knight in terms of his appearance at San Diego Comic Con, and then launched into a bunch of other details that were not obviously sourced to anything Knight said. I don't think we should be inclined to add them based on that. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

::Now we all know that it is true because of the second trailer, but we should get an official source first next time instead of info from a fan made video. [[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:38, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

== Can we not add pages for background randos who may or may not be characters? ==
Have people already forgotten when everyone though Blitzwing was actually Starscream? We shouldn't be saying Acid Storm is in the film, when there's the possibility that the green dude might well turn out to be a completely new character. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:38, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
:Sorry, I should've probably just waited or not do it at all instead of telling people to delete if they didn't like it. But I didn't think it would be taken to this extent where pages were being made. Once again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:09, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
::The first rule of wikis is that if there is a red link, *somebody* is gonna fill it. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 01:29, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream Part 2==
This fits better here than on Bltizwing's article's talk page, where I'd posted it first:

''We're swiftly disabused of that notion thanks to a barrage of familiar faces including Decepticon premiereship players Shockwave, Starscream and Blitzwing, all in their original, first generation forms.''

This is obviously an incorrect take on the trailer, as Blitzwing is assuredly not there in his "original, first generation form." We therefore can't take the article's identification of Starscream as definitive, especially given that this isn't the first time we've seen a Starscream-looking dude in a trailer, and he turned out named something else. Note that Starscream is not mentioned in any of the article's direct quotes of Travis Knight. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:I understand what you mean, but in the background of the Shockwave shot, we see a bot that looks different than Blitzwing, and has more similarities to Starscream. We can especially tell because the international trailer shows us Blitzwing's body. If this ends being Blitzwing ''too'' (for some reason) than sure. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::We cannot positively ID that guy as Starscream at this point, certainly not based on a sentence that contains at least one clear error. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:37, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Blitzwing being in his Generation One style form can just be the error, and that's it. And besides, if Starscream wasnt in the actual movie, wouldn't you think they would've scrubbed his name by now? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:49, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::A version of G1 Blitzwing does not appear in the trailer, and that mistaken impression by the author has not been corrected. That mistake renders the sentence unreliable. The author thinks that one Seeker on Cybertron is Starscream, and maybe it is, but we've been down the "this Seeker-looking dude is clearly Starscream" road once already, and we know how that turned out. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:58, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::One incorrect part of a sentence doesn't cancel out the whole sentence. It is true that Shockwave and other characters appear in their G1 style bodies. Let's get at a compromise. If the movie comes out and that Seeker in the background isn't Starscream, then, we remove it. But for now we keep it so we can remember. Dealio? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::No. What? No. When the movie comes out this'll all be moot. We're talking about what our articles are presenting to readers right now as confirmed facts about an upcoming release. And actually, yes, that one error does make the whole sentence unreliable, as it auggests that it's just the author's impression of the trailer and not info from an actual production source. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 19:13, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, let's just delete the Starscream stuff for now and see what happens. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:04, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Fine. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:17, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
Welp, looks like the new, short featurette made this guy look EVEN more like Starscream. By the way, I have "Starscream" hidden along with the other background bots; if the movie comes out, and it turns out this isn't Blitzwing or anyone else, then we can probably un-hide him, along with everyone else. Guess we'll find out soon! [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:48, 5 December 2018 (EST)

== Mr. Bee caption ==
I really don't care for it, but the context of that caption is that it's from the Bee Movie during the trial scene with Barry Vs. The Human Race. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:03, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:I know what it's from, I just think it's gross.
:Also Sipher removed it once already, and he's an admin, so. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 11:15, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
::Yeah, I totally agree. Just figured I might add some context. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:07, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:::Good news, its been taken care of in the form of the famous "You like Jazz?" [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 18:29, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

== Officialy Confirmed Characters ==
Recently characters like Arcee,Cliffjumper, Ratchet and Starscream were confirmed in an official featurette. Should we add them?[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:17, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:I feel like at this point we can afford to wait three weeks for the film to actually come out before adding tons of characters to the cast list. We've previously had shots of characters in trailers/preview material which have not been in the finished film. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:28, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::Besides, just because someone looks like a character doesn't mean they actually are. Remember "Starscream"? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:30, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::If the "featurette" is the video linked here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFv6JVFApk Bumblebee - First Generation Design - Paramount Pictures UK], there is nothing in that video that confirms those characters. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:46, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::::Seems to be referencing this TFW2005 article about that featurette http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/11/27/transformers-bumblebee-designing-g1-featurette-jointhebuzz-377449 Which includes some blurry screenshots with background characters circled. Which is not confirmation of who these characters are, especially since you can barely see them. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:57, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::::'''EDIT:''' Yeah, that. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 27 November 2018 (EST)

==The novel==
Warning: Spoilers!

The movie novel confirms that there is one more human character named Sheriff Lock who chases Bee and the humans in a tunnel before Bee damages his cop car by jumping on the hood. We should add him because this is from an official source.[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 11:00, 29 November 2018 (EST)
: Characters in novelizations don't always show up in the movie itself. There's no rush; we can wait a few weeks. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:02, 29 November 2018 (EST)

== The Hoover Dam in the Trailer. ==
This may be useless information, but it could also be of some interest to some.
I was born in Las Vegas and have lived here for most of my life.....I was born in the 70's BTW.
Anyways as a kid (and even now) I loved going to the Hoover Dam, so I know a bit about it's appearance throughout the years and decades.
So the movie takes place in 1988 right?
If that is the case the way the Dam looked in the trailer (I believe it was in the second trailer) is not correct for the time period.
The parking structure and new visitors center that can be seen on the west (Nevada) side the Dam in the trailer was built (added) in the mid 90's.
I did try to find some sample pics from the 80's online, but could not find any that were stamped for that time period. But I do have two post cards from my personal collection that I did get around that time, that shows how the Hoover Dam would appear in 1988. (I can send pics of them if need be).
So like I said this is not really important info about the movie, but I thought it should at least be said and addressed, you know for the whole "real world" "continuity" section or something. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 04:55, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I would suggest waiting until after the film is released before adding any real-world comparisons like that, so as to make sure it accurately reflects the final version. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:11, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I agree and that does makes sense, because they may change it, or perhaps the scene takes place at some other time period in the film, when I do see the movie I will let you know if it still is an issue. [[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 01:35, 5 December 2018 (EST)
:I just wanted to give a follow up to this subject that I began in the first place. I finally saw the movie, which was awesome BTW, and it seems that the shot of the Dam that was used in the trailer was NOT used in the final film, and the shot that was seemed to be done in such a way to not show any of those structures that I mentioned as being built after the 80's. So I have to say they (the director and editor) did a pretty decent job. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 03:04, 4 January 2019 (EST)

==thundercracker==
I’m not sure if it’s just a generic or not, but there’s a seeker colored suspiciously like thundercracker. Does anyone else think it’s thundercracker or is it just me? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 16:35, 14 December 2018 (EST)
:Dude, just wait a WEEK and you can find out for sure. Geez, what is this obsession people have with playing "wow, that blur in the background looks kind of like random character number 382. If I squint."?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:24, 14 December 2018 (EST)

==Open editing please?==
When will regular users be able to edit this? The movie's already out... [[User:Autoboty|Autoboty]] ([[User talk:Autoboty|talk]]) 05:18, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:"expires 21:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)". It's only 6:30 am on the East Coast. Not many have had a chance to see it yet... - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 06:26, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:For Christ's sake, would it kill people to just wait a few days and then add information? This does not need to be immediately added; in fact, it's better that it's not, because it gives you time to write up a concise summary. Just...chill. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:01, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:The article is unlocked now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:03, 21 December 2018 (EST)

== New universe ==
Since the new film is clearly settled in a new continuity, should we move the new informations of the characters in a separate section in their own pages or create totally new pages ? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:Same page, we would only make a new page if it's a new continuity family. There is also a discussion on how to tackle the Bee movie [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The Bumblebee Movie|here]]. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:26, 22 December 2018 (EST)

== Caption theme for this film? ==
So what is it this time around? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 00:33, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:It has been Bee Movie so far, don’t know if it’s going to change [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 00:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Bee Movie. There can be only one. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:01, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::''Hey, I've never seen the Bee Movie. I had no clue!'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:::I hear it made a real buzz at the box office! - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:04, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::::I will kill you. --[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:05, 28 January 2019 (EST)

== Sector Seven's "first contact" ==
The Sector Seven unit seen in the film calls the entire Bumblebee/Blitzwing fight, and later the meeting with Shatter and Dropkick as "first contact", which seems to imply that this is the first time that Sector Seven has seen Cybertronians. But as we know, at that point in time, Megatron and the Allspark are very clearly in possession of S7. Currently, this is stated to be a continuity error... But is there a chance that the Unit involved under Burns doesn't know of the entire story behind Megatron? Remember, in TF1, Banachek, said that the entire footage acquired from Transformers was deemed "beyond Top Secret." Using real-life Top Secrecy protocols, it isn't hard to imagine that even S7 wouldn't tell their field teams what was going on in their secret base, either A. because they simply don't have to know, or B. in case of interrogation, the soldiers can't tell anything useful.

The same can be said of allowing Shatter and Dropkick inside Hoover Dam: the field team could know the HQ, but wouldn't know the entirety of the story. And of course, the files that Shatter/Dropkick search through could be doctored, with some sensitive information removed or placed behind bars, allowing access but keeping some of the files a secrecy. Traces of Cybertronian-originated tech inside the files could simply be replaced with the cover-up stories S7 has used before, possibly even to the field teams.

Just a theory based on real-life protocols, and some careful speculation.

[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 07:34, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Given they cut a scene they filmed showing frozen ('''G1''') Megatron, they may or may not have Megs and the Allspark in the *Bumblebee* continuity. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:05, 27 December 2018 (EST)

:Admittedly it's been a while since I watched the 2007 film, but Megs was (a) found frozen (and offline?) and (b) kept frozen (and offline?), right? So they can still have him in the freezer and consider this first contact, because it was the first ''actual'' contact, with the words and the talking. Like many things with continuity between these movies, I think it can work if you squint. A lot. --[[User:Guntrip|Guntrip]] ([[User talk:Guntrip|talk]]) 05:54, 28 December 2018 (EST)
::If I were Sector 7, I would not consider Megatron's body to be first contact. And as Travis Knight made clear in interviews, Megatron does not cameo in this film because he is meant to be frozen at the Hoover Dam when the film is set. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 12:39, 28 December 2018 (EST)

== Bumblebee's potential design change ==
Wasn't 100% sure if this was noteworthy enough to add, so I figured I'd bring it up here first. The more complex toys, namely the Studio Series and Masterpiece figures, depict Bumblebee as having the traditional "car wings"- this is an element that is present in some promotional material as well, specifically with [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/92/ed/6e92edad8057c2a68dee54513fd80a59.jpg Entenmann's products showing Bee with his "wings"], leading me to believe it was a minor design change late into the game and not the result of general kibble. In the final film, as far as I can recall, his doors are just folded onto his back to give him a cleaner look. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:37, 4 January 2019 (EST)

== Cliffjumper's cameo ==
So I could just start a revert war, because 'NO' isn't a real persuasive argument, but I'll do this instead, 'cause I think I got a solid case.

In the last 20+ years of Transformers lore, Cliffjumper is famous for one thing and one thing only: showing up as a named, headlining character in a flagship TV show, only to be captured, interrogated and brutally murdered within minutes of his debut. This is ''by far'' the most distinctive and memorable thing the mythos-arc character of Cliffjumper has done. You gotta go back 35 years to him calling people traitor to find something similarly definitive.

Now for the movie scene on whatever moon it was, the writers could have chosen ''literally any character''. They coulda put Huffer or Gears or Cosmos or Windcharger or Blurr or Outback or a generic or ''anybody'' in that scene, but no. When they needed a character to be captured, interrogated, act defiant and get shockingly killed, they went to the one character whose ''defining trait'' is that he was ''captured, interrogated, acted defiant and got shockingly killed''.

If that seems like a reach, the bigger reach is saying that they just landed on that character ''totally by coincidence''; that out of 18 '84 Autobots and dozens of subsequent ones available, they just. so. happened. to pick that one, ''without'' being aware of his recent history. I don't buy that.

Now if we've heard from the scriptwriters or whoever added that character in there that, whoa, hey, wow, we had no idea that was a thing!, then that's different; but y'all gotta show me the money. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 12:46, 7 January 2019 (EST)
: Conversely, the interrogation scenes are different enough (Prime Cliffjumper gets his spark crushed, BB Cliffjumper is bisected) that I'd need to see it from the the scriptwriters that it was intentional. And being honest, I'm willing to be the reason why Cliffjumper was chosen to die was because he's about 95% the same model as Bumblebee's Cybertronian form, and thus was easy to do instead of some other all new guy.

: All in all, sometimes a similar scene is just a similar scene. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:42, 7 January 2019 (EST)

::I also call bull on the notion that Cliffjumper's "defining trait" is "get shockingly killed". On top of that, it further strains credibility of the claim to have just this one singular non-G1 non-movie reference out of aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the past-TF references in the movie, especially when, as noted, it involves a recycled model for a scene that would almost certainly predate the reshoots and added Cybertron footage. In a movie where they actually re-create specific shots from the old animation, you'd think they'd have done that there too if they were actually making the reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:04, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:Rob, they used Cliffjumper because Cliffjumper can use the same Cybertronian body that they already modeled for Bumblebee. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 14:16, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:: Fair enough, outvoted etc.
:: Not sure this comment works as an explanation, though. Of course they reskinned a model where it was an option, but they coulda reskinned anybody. They coulda killed off Bluestreak or Smokescreen or Outback or an obscurity or a generic. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 18:11, 8 January 2019 (EST)
::: The expanded Cybertronian scenes were a later addition, and so Bumblebee's Cybertronian mode was likely available much sooner. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:34, 8 January 2019 (EST)

Even if the authors didn't intend it, it still happened. We're the ones who spot the similarities and I'm on board with noting it on the page, though using phrases like "...is similar to..." as opposed to "...is inspired by...". Same thing goes with "homage," which assumes deliberate planning. Two things can resemble each other either on purpose or by accident, it's still fair to point out the resemblence. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:54, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:That's always been something we've ''actively'' avoided doing. We even have a template for it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:06, 7 January 2019 (EST)
::And I quote...
{{Notareference}}
::-- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:24, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:::Yeah, we are not filling up our references sections with things that we merely find similar. That's not what the references section is for. That's why we have the template. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:27, 7 January 2019 (EST)

==Seekers==
It says dirge is in the film, the only conehead you see clearly (and even has a pic on this site) is green. Also, the purple seeker on Cybertron resembles slipstream in colors more than it does Skywarp. Hell, it probably isn’t even either character, just a generic. I think we should remove the seekers names from the characters list besides starscream, as the others aren’t named. While starscream isn’t named in the film, the shots on Cybertron resemble his g1 self and he is the closest standing to shockwave in the scene with the green cone head. Starscream, Soundwave, and shockwave are all Megatrons generals, so it would make sense for them to be together with Megatron being gone. As far as I’m aware, starscream is the only seeker that can be safely associated with an established character. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 09:14, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Scroll down to Notes section. There's a reference to an EW article saying all the G1 characters in the opening Cybertron scene. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)
::I'm not sure how reliable that source is in this case. They can't spell Chris Latta. They state that the instructions for the coneheads were changed, when they were not. Various paragraphs mix the old toys and the new movies in confusing ways. And the quotation used to support Dirge's presence does not actually include his name, that is added by the author of the article and could be either saying that the specific conehead Dirge is in the movie or simply giving an example of a conehead from past fiction without saying what the names of any coneheads in the movie are (or even if they are named). Honestly, the writer needs to return not just the paycheck they received for that article, but also any and all diplomas, degrees, and certifications of education that they may have received. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:48, 10 January 2019 (EST)

So we can remove them from the list except starscream? He is thus far the only one who has enough to be inferred who he is. Just because he is named doesn’t mean it’s not him, shockwave goes unnamed in the film. See my first post if you are unaware of my reasoning. Sincerely [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 15:29, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Shockwave is named in the credits, by the way. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:23, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Thrust are explicitly named in the ILM visual development page (https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece/). Thus, I'd assume that there has been confirmation on their identities. [[User:Ed|Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed|talk]]) 02:31, 20 May 2019 (EDT)
:Dude, you're responding to a 4 month old thread. We are aware of the ILM source. We discussed it over a month ago in the section "Entertainment Weekly". But, given the fact that all of those mentioned there show up in MULTIPLE copies, the specific characters cannot be said to be in this film. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:10, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

== Shatter/Dropkick tracking Bumblebee error. ==
(First post here forgive me if I'm doing this wrong)

So I was reading the error section for this movie specifically how it claims that Shatter and Dropkick were tasked with tracking down B-127, while they do that after they detect his signal while interrogating Cliffjumper I didn't see anything in the film that indicated that they were hunting down Bumblebee specifically before that moment, since they were trying to find Prime it seems more likely that the two Decepticons were just tracking down and interrogating any Autobot they could for Prime's location and so happen to be near Bee while they were interrogating Cliffjumper, although this is just a theory perhaps they were tracking down Autobots this exact way with finding one and detecting signals of other Autobots and repeat the procedure until they find Cliff, again this part is just a theory but regardless nothing in the film indicates that the two Decepticons were looking for Bumblebee specifically prior to the Autobot beaming his signal.

The Blitzwing part however is fine and correct since it isn't explained how he was already there, either he was already on Earth (I mean he is a Seeker and maybe Seekers seek other worlds which is what they did in ROTF although they are presumably separate from the more classic versions in this movie) or he took off after Bumblebee's pod immediately after they launched whether specifically looking for Bee or was chasing his pod by chance. Although those are theories and not fact. --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 7:30, 12 January 2019 (EST)
:Yeah, I don't think the error as listed is correct. Shatter and Dropkick are hunting for Optimus, they happen to be interrogating Cliffjumper when they detect Bumblebee's signal and they go to find Bumblebee on the hunch he'll be more willing to talk. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:05, 23 January 2019 (EST)

== Just an idea ==
I don't know if there is a way we could do this but could we take a poll on whether people like the Bumblebee designs or the original movieverse designs better? Please don't hate me for this. I'm new here.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:09, 28 January 2019 (EST)
:TFWiki isn't the place for "social" stuff, that would be better suited for a Transformers discussion forum. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:54, 28 January 2019 (EST)

==Bumblebee's Place in Continuity==
It seems Hasbro referred to Bumblebee as [https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/02/16/transformers-brand-info-from-new-york-toy-fair-2019-fan-media-panel-hasbrotoyfair-383106 "a new storytelling universe" at the ToyFair panel over the weekend]. Now admittedly this statement is rather vague, but the general idea seems to imply the film is now a reboot, not a prequel to the Michael Bay franchise. I'm aware of the mass discussions in regards to the film's continuity prior to release, and I don't mean to dredge up old arguments, but I think this statement is atleast worth discussing. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:17, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:I don't see any point in discussing this until after the next movie.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:48, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:Christ, can people tamp down their continuity deckchair-shuffling boners for like three consecutive seconds. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 17 February 2019 (EST)
::I guess you can say it's ''pretty hard?'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:43, 17 February 2019 (EST)
: Is [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/travis-knight-talks-edits-continuity-and-turning-people-into-goo-in-new-interview/43204/ this good enough]? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:42, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

==Bumblebee Universal Designation==
Since the Bumblebee movie has been confirmed to be a reboot, and was obviously a new timeline in the first place, I propose we call the BB movie universe: Tyran 018.21 Delta. --[[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] 15:03, 15 March 2019 (EST)
:We've already discussed this, including right above your post. The statement they made was too vague to actually pull anything definitive from, so we're not making any calls about whether the movie is a prequel or reboot (and therefore requires a new designation) until we know what the next movie is. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::Also the movie is blatantly made to work either way (with allowances for how shoddy inter-film continuity is for the whole enterprise). If new movies do their own thing, that doesn't actually change how they approached and made this movie. And we're not using TT stream designations for anything anyway. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:32, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
:::That too. Unless something gets mentioned in future TransTech fiction (assuming there even is any), you probably won't see any new universal streams added to the wiki going forward. (Note that we don't have one for Cyberverse either.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:38, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::::I don't see how it is vague. It was clearly confirmed to be a reboot. --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:36, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::No, it wasn't. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Aside from any of that, [[Sector 7 Adventures: The Battle at Half Dome]] is tied to this movie and the previous ones. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:43, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

==Battletrap homage==
There's a note that states that Dropkick is an homage to Battletrap's appearance in "Cybertron's Most Wanted." Is there any evidence to back this up (say Travis Knight saying so like how he said Shatter is based on Nightbird), or is it just speculative? Because I don't remember hearing Mr. Knight saying anything about Dropkick's design. [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 10:57, 23 March 2019 (EDT)

== Entertainment Weekly ==
"An Entertainment Weekly article confirms some of the background characters in the scene set on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].<ref>[https://ew.com/movies/2018/12/22/bumblebee-spoilers-classic-transformers-opening-battle/2/ EW article on the Cybertron scene]</ref> "
Given all the errors in that article, I am tempted to just remove this from the page. How can we claim that it confirms anything when it gets so much wrong about the past? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:30, 24 March 2019 (EDT)
:I've pulled the note and removed the Seekers (other than Starscream) from the list. Find a source that is competent before re-adding. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:49, 27 March 2019 (EDT)
::[https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece From the horse's mouth.] Slide 28 concretely identifies them as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:49, 2 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Okay, that I can accept as a reliable source. The EW article I wouldn't even take as evidence for how to spell Entertainment Weekly, it was THAT bad.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:38, 4 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I wanna say that while obviously those Seeker colors were inspired by a few of the named Seekers over the years including being labeled as such in the concept art, I doubt those Seekers in the opening were those characters themselves only because the colors are reused for multiple Seekers, for example there are multiple "Thundercrackers" including the one Optimus pummels and the one Bumblebee knocks out of the way in vehicle mode before he knocks over and kills one of the many "Skywarps" in the scene, although it's possible any of these Seekers are indeed Skywarp,Thundercracker,Thrust,etc I'm not sure if that was the intent at the end, The colors I saw while watching a 4k version of the scene just today were besides the Thundercracker,Skywarp,Thrust ones there were the ROTF Dirge looking ones as well as an orange kind of Sunstorm Seeker that Bumblebee kicks a Skywarp head at and shortly before hand a mostly red Seeker in the background during the part where Bee knocks over two Seekers and finally there is a couple Seekers that uses Blitzwing's color scheme one of such is one of the Seekers that Prime shoots in the flashback and another is one of the many Seekers charging Prime at the end of the scene, funnily enough that one was right beside Shatter and Dropkick so that one might very well be Blitzwing himself but probably a coincidence, This fan made scale chart by Red Goblin (He's a very talented guy, I actually think he has some access or other to ILM renders, either that or he's really good at piecing together renders) while not an official source (probably) is a good film accurate showing of what colors were in the film. https://i.postimg.cc/2kRxjk5B/bumblebeeccons.png --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 5:46, 4 April 2019 (EST)

==pics==
I get why all the pics are of the bot scenes...but shouldn't Charlie be in a few? Swapping the final image for example from one at the bridge to Prime and Bee seems to run counter to the fact that she's the the primary protagonist. {{unsigned|Eire}}
:I agree. At the moment the selection of screencaps is giving a completely inaccurate impression of the film. We have more screeencaps featuring Soundwave than we do of Charlie (and the one that does is just the back of her head). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

== Digital comic ==
Question: the recent comic (Sector 7 adventures: the battle at half dome) released with the dvd has many elements that connect Bumblebee movie with the 2007 Transformers movie (like Banachek, Simmons's S7 t-shirt, Soundwave looking for the AllSpark, Megatron frozen etc...); so can we add those informations in this page? [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:That information would be better suited to a Battle at Half Dome page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:04, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::Yes, I know I know, but what I was saying is that (for example) in the section "continuity notes" there is written that the S7 doesn't know the Cybertronians and there is also written a supposition that project Iceman is so secret that only a small portion of employees knows about it. I asked if there could be done a link saying these theory is supported by the comic. [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:::Probably not. I guarantee you the scriptwriters were not thinking about any comic adaptations when the movie was being written; in its own self-contained context, there is no explanation. Besides, if there's anything we've learned from the Bumblebee Prequel, it's that the events of a comic tie-in can't be treated as lining up precisely with, or having any influence on, movie canon. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:23, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Ok thanks. {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:::::Just one last question: if what you're saying is true, why in Bumblebee's notes (character, not movie I mean) about his arrival on earth is made mention to the IDW comics? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
::::::Character articles cover all of a character's appearances in all works of fiction, even when they're incompatible with one another. Hence why the "IDW Comics" section is placed separately on the page from the "Movies" section. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:51, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
:::::::OK Thanks

== Escape Pods/Protoform ==
Does anyone else notice the Escape pods resemble the protoform reentry modes of the Michael Bay Movies? Would it be alright if I made a note of that in the Trivia section of the Protoform' page? Or is only having minor resemblance not conclusive evidence enough to make a note of it in the trivia section of that Protoform' page?

== The movie is no longer a prequel, it's a reboot ==

When the movie finally came out, it was declared to be a reboot officially. Shouldn't the page be altered to reflect that? Here is at least one source: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/streaming-june-2020-netflix-disney-plus-hulu-hbo-max/ --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:Please read the ''Bumblebee'' section on this page: [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers]]. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:45, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::Also, Bumblebee isn't even mentioned on that page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:12, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Transformers isn't mentioned on that page, either. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::::I assume they meant to link to [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/bumblebee-official-transformers-reboot-hasbro/ this], which is simply re-reporting the "new storytelling universe" quote which is already covered on the page Escargon linked to. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::And, even if it were completely out of continuity with the previous films, I can't see it as being separate enough to warrant splitting pages. It would still seem to fall in the same continuity family and would be covered on the pre-existing movie-verse pages just as the many separate G1 universes are covered on the same pages (barring splits for length). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:07, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

== so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? ==

Like, in the 2007 movie prequel comic, he lost his voice to Megatron before chasing after the allspark. Why did Travis change it? Mikey. 17:03, 10 November 2020 (EST)

Talk:Bumblebee (film)

2020-11-10T22:03:25Z

Michael dunlap.: Why did Travis retcon bumblebee voice lose

[[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers#Bumblebee|NOT CALLING IT A REBOOT]]. WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MOVIE.
==Lawsuit?==
So Hasbro just filed a Lawsuit with DC Comics for the Bumblebee Name. [http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/bumblebee-trademark-transformers-dc-comics-warner-bros-1202541577/] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 04:45, 30 August 2017 (EDT)
:Ah no wait, it's over. DC & Hasbro are cool. [http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/08/17/the-battle-of-the-bumblebees-is-over-hasbro-and-dc-comics-settle-bumblebee-trademark-dispute-370180] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 19:22, 11 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream==
Should Starscream be in the cast list here, when we've not actually had any official announcement/confirmation that the character in the trailer is him? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:58, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
:Nope. --[[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 01:11, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::Aw, come on! Its quite obviously supposed to be starscream, the head design is a slightly more g1-ifies version of michael bay starscream. The colors of the jet (what can be seen of it) are starscream colors, red air intakes, white nose area, and even a orange cockpit. It is highly unlikely this starscream homage isnt him, its clearly a more g1-ified version of michael bay starscream. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:13, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:::It's not uncommon for [[Blackout (Movie)|movie]] [[Grindor (ROTF)|characters]] to [[Crankcase (DOTM)|not]] [[Berserker|be]] who you think they are. Until Starscream is officially confirmed, we gotta play it safe. [[User:Ikkad|Ikkad]] ([[User talk:Ikkad|talk]]) 14:14, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
::: Only one [[Barricade (Movie)|decepticon]] has been confirmed for the movie. Starscream has not been confirmed yet. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 19:34, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Get rekt, it’s confirmed as screamer now! [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 08:24, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
:The rudeness is hardly necessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:51, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, I meant it in a friendlier manner. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:53, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

The reason they had to make an official announcement was because you people kept speculating that it wasn't Starscream when it blattantly was. It's a soft reboot. He doesn't have to turn into a Dorito F-22 to be the same character. This has been common knowledge for months.[[User:Leo1452|King Kid]] ([[User talk:Leo1452|talk]]) 12:03, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
:Well I for one have always enjoyed crow when topped with a little (Whataburger) ketchup. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:55, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

This just in: That Scream is now Blitzwing. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:48, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:...that just in literally a month ago hence my last comment above. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 20:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

== /* Timeline and Continuity */ ==
This movie is a reboot because if not they should find the way to explain how Bumblebee fought in the WW2, because this movie is supposedly to be the first time Bumblebee came to Earth--[[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
:Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:29, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
Can somebody edit in the fact that this is now officially a reboot since Hasbro has now officially confirmed it? [[User:DrXshock|DrXshock]] ([[User talk:DrXshock|talk]]) 17:51, 17 February 2019 (EST) 22:50, 17 February 2019 (GMT)
==toyline?==
Is there a toyline? I know the movie has a while to release, but we knew about titans return about a year before release. Why do t we know about this toyline?
[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

There might be. I have seen pictures showing a prototype of a volkswagen beetle Bumblebee ( redeco from TLK new bumblebee ) [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:29, 10 June 2018 (EDT

:The toyline will be absorbed into ''Studio Series.'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
==Is this really a reboot?==
I have heard that the reboot is cancelled, but the past events in the movies just don't match up.
Bumblebee went to earth with Hot Rod and fought in world war 2 (ww2) there. Instead the movie shows bumblebee's first time on earth.
So is this a start to the reboot or just a confusing event in the Bayformers Movies? [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 20:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
:Dude, it really doesn't matter right now, the movie isn't out yet. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

==bumblebee design==
Is it me, or does bumblebee kinda look like the cancelled alternators g1 bumblebee? If anyone else picks up on this, should we put it in the (currently nonexistent) trivia area that his design is possibly an homage to said toy? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 13:55, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

==female Decepticon==
A youtuber, AndySupreme99, claims that he saw the trailer at Cinemacon. He says that there is a female Decepticon. Have any of you seen the trailer he mentioned?
:We obviously know now that this was referring to Shatter, but for the record, we need a better source than "This YouTuber says..." next time. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:19, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

==new characters confirmed==
The director has confirmed that Cliffjumper, Soundwave and Shockwave will be on Cybertron. [[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 06:53, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
:Source? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 07:47, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
::When I googled, I found a bunch of excited fan videos pointing back to a wordpress blog which mentioned Travis Knight in terms of his appearance at San Diego Comic Con, and then launched into a bunch of other details that were not obviously sourced to anything Knight said. I don't think we should be inclined to add them based on that. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

::Now we all know that it is true because of the second trailer, but we should get an official source first next time instead of info from a fan made video. [[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:38, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

== Can we not add pages for background randos who may or may not be characters? ==
Have people already forgotten when everyone though Blitzwing was actually Starscream? We shouldn't be saying Acid Storm is in the film, when there's the possibility that the green dude might well turn out to be a completely new character. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:38, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
:Sorry, I should've probably just waited or not do it at all instead of telling people to delete if they didn't like it. But I didn't think it would be taken to this extent where pages were being made. Once again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:09, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
::The first rule of wikis is that if there is a red link, *somebody* is gonna fill it. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 01:29, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

==To Scream or not to Scream Part 2==
This fits better here than on Bltizwing's article's talk page, where I'd posted it first:

''We're swiftly disabused of that notion thanks to a barrage of familiar faces including Decepticon premiereship players Shockwave, Starscream and Blitzwing, all in their original, first generation forms.''

This is obviously an incorrect take on the trailer, as Blitzwing is assuredly not there in his "original, first generation form." We therefore can't take the article's identification of Starscream as definitive, especially given that this isn't the first time we've seen a Starscream-looking dude in a trailer, and he turned out named something else. Note that Starscream is not mentioned in any of the article's direct quotes of Travis Knight. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:I understand what you mean, but in the background of the Shockwave shot, we see a bot that looks different than Blitzwing, and has more similarities to Starscream. We can especially tell because the international trailer shows us Blitzwing's body. If this ends being Blitzwing ''too'' (for some reason) than sure. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::We cannot positively ID that guy as Starscream at this point, certainly not based on a sentence that contains at least one clear error. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:37, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Blitzwing being in his Generation One style form can just be the error, and that's it. And besides, if Starscream wasnt in the actual movie, wouldn't you think they would've scrubbed his name by now? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:49, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::A version of G1 Blitzwing does not appear in the trailer, and that mistaken impression by the author has not been corrected. That mistake renders the sentence unreliable. The author thinks that one Seeker on Cybertron is Starscream, and maybe it is, but we've been down the "this Seeker-looking dude is clearly Starscream" road once already, and we know how that turned out. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:58, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::One incorrect part of a sentence doesn't cancel out the whole sentence. It is true that Shockwave and other characters appear in their G1 style bodies. Let's get at a compromise. If the movie comes out and that Seeker in the background isn't Starscream, then, we remove it. But for now we keep it so we can remember. Dealio? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::No. What? No. When the movie comes out this'll all be moot. We're talking about what our articles are presenting to readers right now as confirmed facts about an upcoming release. And actually, yes, that one error does make the whole sentence unreliable, as it auggests that it's just the author's impression of the trailer and not info from an actual production source. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 19:13, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, let's just delete the Starscream stuff for now and see what happens. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:04, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Fine. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:17, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
Welp, looks like the new, short featurette made this guy look EVEN more like Starscream. By the way, I have "Starscream" hidden along with the other background bots; if the movie comes out, and it turns out this isn't Blitzwing or anyone else, then we can probably un-hide him, along with everyone else. Guess we'll find out soon! [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:48, 5 December 2018 (EST)

== Mr. Bee caption ==
I really don't care for it, but the context of that caption is that it's from the Bee Movie during the trial scene with Barry Vs. The Human Race. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:03, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:I know what it's from, I just think it's gross.
:Also Sipher removed it once already, and he's an admin, so. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 11:15, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
::Yeah, I totally agree. Just figured I might add some context. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:07, 16 October 2018 (EDT)
:::Good news, its been taken care of in the form of the famous "You like Jazz?" [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 18:29, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

== Officialy Confirmed Characters ==
Recently characters like Arcee,Cliffjumper, Ratchet and Starscream were confirmed in an official featurette. Should we add them?[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:17, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:I feel like at this point we can afford to wait three weeks for the film to actually come out before adding tons of characters to the cast list. We've previously had shots of characters in trailers/preview material which have not been in the finished film. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:28, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::Besides, just because someone looks like a character doesn't mean they actually are. Remember "Starscream"? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:30, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::If the "featurette" is the video linked here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFv6JVFApk Bumblebee - First Generation Design - Paramount Pictures UK], there is nothing in that video that confirms those characters. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:46, 27 November 2018 (EST)
::::Seems to be referencing this TFW2005 article about that featurette http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/11/27/transformers-bumblebee-designing-g1-featurette-jointhebuzz-377449 Which includes some blurry screenshots with background characters circled. Which is not confirmation of who these characters are, especially since you can barely see them. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:57, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:::::'''EDIT:''' Yeah, that. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 27 November 2018 (EST)

==The novel==
Warning: Spoilers!

The movie novel confirms that there is one more human character named Sheriff Lock who chases Bee and the humans in a tunnel before Bee damages his cop car by jumping on the hood. We should add him because this is from an official source.[[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 11:00, 29 November 2018 (EST)
: Characters in novelizations don't always show up in the movie itself. There's no rush; we can wait a few weeks. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:02, 29 November 2018 (EST)

== The Hoover Dam in the Trailer. ==
This may be useless information, but it could also be of some interest to some.
I was born in Las Vegas and have lived here for most of my life.....I was born in the 70's BTW.
Anyways as a kid (and even now) I loved going to the Hoover Dam, so I know a bit about it's appearance throughout the years and decades.
So the movie takes place in 1988 right?
If that is the case the way the Dam looked in the trailer (I believe it was in the second trailer) is not correct for the time period.
The parking structure and new visitors center that can be seen on the west (Nevada) side the Dam in the trailer was built (added) in the mid 90's.
I did try to find some sample pics from the 80's online, but could not find any that were stamped for that time period. But I do have two post cards from my personal collection that I did get around that time, that shows how the Hoover Dam would appear in 1988. (I can send pics of them if need be).
So like I said this is not really important info about the movie, but I thought it should at least be said and addressed, you know for the whole "real world" "continuity" section or something. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 04:55, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I would suggest waiting until after the film is released before adding any real-world comparisons like that, so as to make sure it accurately reflects the final version. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:11, 3 December 2018 (EST)
:I agree and that does makes sense, because they may change it, or perhaps the scene takes place at some other time period in the film, when I do see the movie I will let you know if it still is an issue. [[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 01:35, 5 December 2018 (EST)
:I just wanted to give a follow up to this subject that I began in the first place. I finally saw the movie, which was awesome BTW, and it seems that the shot of the Dam that was used in the trailer was NOT used in the final film, and the shot that was seemed to be done in such a way to not show any of those structures that I mentioned as being built after the 80's. So I have to say they (the director and editor) did a pretty decent job. --[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] ([[User talk:Michael Alex Kawa|talk]]) 03:04, 4 January 2019 (EST)

==thundercracker==
I’m not sure if it’s just a generic or not, but there’s a seeker colored suspiciously like thundercracker. Does anyone else think it’s thundercracker or is it just me? [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 16:35, 14 December 2018 (EST)
:Dude, just wait a WEEK and you can find out for sure. Geez, what is this obsession people have with playing "wow, that blur in the background looks kind of like random character number 382. If I squint."?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:24, 14 December 2018 (EST)

==Open editing please?==
When will regular users be able to edit this? The movie's already out... [[User:Autoboty|Autoboty]] ([[User talk:Autoboty|talk]]) 05:18, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:"expires 21:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)". It's only 6:30 am on the East Coast. Not many have had a chance to see it yet... - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 06:26, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:For Christ's sake, would it kill people to just wait a few days and then add information? This does not need to be immediately added; in fact, it's better that it's not, because it gives you time to write up a concise summary. Just...chill. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:01, 21 December 2018 (EST)
:The article is unlocked now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:03, 21 December 2018 (EST)

== New universe ==
Since the new film is clearly settled in a new continuity, should we move the new informations of the characters in a separate section in their own pages or create totally new pages ? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:Same page, we would only make a new page if it's a new continuity family. There is also a discussion on how to tackle the Bee movie [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The Bumblebee Movie|here]]. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:26, 22 December 2018 (EST)

== Caption theme for this film? ==
So what is it this time around? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 00:33, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:It has been Bee Movie so far, don’t know if it’s going to change [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 00:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Bee Movie. There can be only one. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:01, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::''Hey, I've never seen the Bee Movie. I had no clue!'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:::I hear it made a real buzz at the box office! - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:04, 27 December 2018 (EST)
::::I will kill you. --[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:05, 28 January 2019 (EST)

== Sector Seven's "first contact" ==
The Sector Seven unit seen in the film calls the entire Bumblebee/Blitzwing fight, and later the meeting with Shatter and Dropkick as "first contact", which seems to imply that this is the first time that Sector Seven has seen Cybertronians. But as we know, at that point in time, Megatron and the Allspark are very clearly in possession of S7. Currently, this is stated to be a continuity error... But is there a chance that the Unit involved under Burns doesn't know of the entire story behind Megatron? Remember, in TF1, Banachek, said that the entire footage acquired from Transformers was deemed "beyond Top Secret." Using real-life Top Secrecy protocols, it isn't hard to imagine that even S7 wouldn't tell their field teams what was going on in their secret base, either A. because they simply don't have to know, or B. in case of interrogation, the soldiers can't tell anything useful.

The same can be said of allowing Shatter and Dropkick inside Hoover Dam: the field team could know the HQ, but wouldn't know the entirety of the story. And of course, the files that Shatter/Dropkick search through could be doctored, with some sensitive information removed or placed behind bars, allowing access but keeping some of the files a secrecy. Traces of Cybertronian-originated tech inside the files could simply be replaced with the cover-up stories S7 has used before, possibly even to the field teams.

Just a theory based on real-life protocols, and some careful speculation.

[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 07:34, 27 December 2018 (EST)
:Given they cut a scene they filmed showing frozen ('''G1''') Megatron, they may or may not have Megs and the Allspark in the *Bumblebee* continuity. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:05, 27 December 2018 (EST)

:Admittedly it's been a while since I watched the 2007 film, but Megs was (a) found frozen (and offline?) and (b) kept frozen (and offline?), right? So they can still have him in the freezer and consider this first contact, because it was the first ''actual'' contact, with the words and the talking. Like many things with continuity between these movies, I think it can work if you squint. A lot. --[[User:Guntrip|Guntrip]] ([[User talk:Guntrip|talk]]) 05:54, 28 December 2018 (EST)
::If I were Sector 7, I would not consider Megatron's body to be first contact. And as Travis Knight made clear in interviews, Megatron does not cameo in this film because he is meant to be frozen at the Hoover Dam when the film is set. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 12:39, 28 December 2018 (EST)

== Bumblebee's potential design change ==
Wasn't 100% sure if this was noteworthy enough to add, so I figured I'd bring it up here first. The more complex toys, namely the Studio Series and Masterpiece figures, depict Bumblebee as having the traditional "car wings"- this is an element that is present in some promotional material as well, specifically with [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/92/ed/6e92edad8057c2a68dee54513fd80a59.jpg Entenmann's products showing Bee with his "wings"], leading me to believe it was a minor design change late into the game and not the result of general kibble. In the final film, as far as I can recall, his doors are just folded onto his back to give him a cleaner look. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:37, 4 January 2019 (EST)

== Cliffjumper's cameo ==
So I could just start a revert war, because 'NO' isn't a real persuasive argument, but I'll do this instead, 'cause I think I got a solid case.

In the last 20+ years of Transformers lore, Cliffjumper is famous for one thing and one thing only: showing up as a named, headlining character in a flagship TV show, only to be captured, interrogated and brutally murdered within minutes of his debut. This is ''by far'' the most distinctive and memorable thing the mythos-arc character of Cliffjumper has done. You gotta go back 35 years to him calling people traitor to find something similarly definitive.

Now for the movie scene on whatever moon it was, the writers could have chosen ''literally any character''. They coulda put Huffer or Gears or Cosmos or Windcharger or Blurr or Outback or a generic or ''anybody'' in that scene, but no. When they needed a character to be captured, interrogated, act defiant and get shockingly killed, they went to the one character whose ''defining trait'' is that he was ''captured, interrogated, acted defiant and got shockingly killed''.

If that seems like a reach, the bigger reach is saying that they just landed on that character ''totally by coincidence''; that out of 18 '84 Autobots and dozens of subsequent ones available, they just. so. happened. to pick that one, ''without'' being aware of his recent history. I don't buy that.

Now if we've heard from the scriptwriters or whoever added that character in there that, whoa, hey, wow, we had no idea that was a thing!, then that's different; but y'all gotta show me the money. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 12:46, 7 January 2019 (EST)
: Conversely, the interrogation scenes are different enough (Prime Cliffjumper gets his spark crushed, BB Cliffjumper is bisected) that I'd need to see it from the the scriptwriters that it was intentional. And being honest, I'm willing to be the reason why Cliffjumper was chosen to die was because he's about 95% the same model as Bumblebee's Cybertronian form, and thus was easy to do instead of some other all new guy.

: All in all, sometimes a similar scene is just a similar scene. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:42, 7 January 2019 (EST)

::I also call bull on the notion that Cliffjumper's "defining trait" is "get shockingly killed". On top of that, it further strains credibility of the claim to have just this one singular non-G1 non-movie reference out of aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the past-TF references in the movie, especially when, as noted, it involves a recycled model for a scene that would almost certainly predate the reshoots and added Cybertron footage. In a movie where they actually re-create specific shots from the old animation, you'd think they'd have done that there too if they were actually making the reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:04, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:Rob, they used Cliffjumper because Cliffjumper can use the same Cybertronian body that they already modeled for Bumblebee. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 14:16, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:: Fair enough, outvoted etc.
:: Not sure this comment works as an explanation, though. Of course they reskinned a model where it was an option, but they coulda reskinned anybody. They coulda killed off Bluestreak or Smokescreen or Outback or an obscurity or a generic. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 18:11, 8 January 2019 (EST)
::: The expanded Cybertronian scenes were a later addition, and so Bumblebee's Cybertronian mode was likely available much sooner. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:34, 8 January 2019 (EST)

Even if the authors didn't intend it, it still happened. We're the ones who spot the similarities and I'm on board with noting it on the page, though using phrases like "...is similar to..." as opposed to "...is inspired by...". Same thing goes with "homage," which assumes deliberate planning. Two things can resemble each other either on purpose or by accident, it's still fair to point out the resemblence. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:54, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:That's always been something we've ''actively'' avoided doing. We even have a template for it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:06, 7 January 2019 (EST)
::And I quote...
{{Notareference}}
::-- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:24, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:::Yeah, we are not filling up our references sections with things that we merely find similar. That's not what the references section is for. That's why we have the template. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:27, 7 January 2019 (EST)

==Seekers==
It says dirge is in the film, the only conehead you see clearly (and even has a pic on this site) is green. Also, the purple seeker on Cybertron resembles slipstream in colors more than it does Skywarp. Hell, it probably isn’t even either character, just a generic. I think we should remove the seekers names from the characters list besides starscream, as the others aren’t named. While starscream isn’t named in the film, the shots on Cybertron resemble his g1 self and he is the closest standing to shockwave in the scene with the green cone head. Starscream, Soundwave, and shockwave are all Megatrons generals, so it would make sense for them to be together with Megatron being gone. As far as I’m aware, starscream is the only seeker that can be safely associated with an established character. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 09:14, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Scroll down to Notes section. There's a reference to an EW article saying all the G1 characters in the opening Cybertron scene. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)
::I'm not sure how reliable that source is in this case. They can't spell Chris Latta. They state that the instructions for the coneheads were changed, when they were not. Various paragraphs mix the old toys and the new movies in confusing ways. And the quotation used to support Dirge's presence does not actually include his name, that is added by the author of the article and could be either saying that the specific conehead Dirge is in the movie or simply giving an example of a conehead from past fiction without saying what the names of any coneheads in the movie are (or even if they are named). Honestly, the writer needs to return not just the paycheck they received for that article, but also any and all diplomas, degrees, and certifications of education that they may have received. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:48, 10 January 2019 (EST)

So we can remove them from the list except starscream? He is thus far the only one who has enough to be inferred who he is. Just because he is named doesn’t mean it’s not him, shockwave goes unnamed in the film. See my first post if you are unaware of my reasoning. Sincerely [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 15:29, 10 January 2019 (EST)
:Shockwave is named in the credits, by the way. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:23, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Thrust are explicitly named in the ILM visual development page (https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece/). Thus, I'd assume that there has been confirmation on their identities. [[User:Ed|Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed|talk]]) 02:31, 20 May 2019 (EDT)
:Dude, you're responding to a 4 month old thread. We are aware of the ILM source. We discussed it over a month ago in the section "Entertainment Weekly". But, given the fact that all of those mentioned there show up in MULTIPLE copies, the specific characters cannot be said to be in this film. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:10, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

== Shatter/Dropkick tracking Bumblebee error. ==
(First post here forgive me if I'm doing this wrong)

So I was reading the error section for this movie specifically how it claims that Shatter and Dropkick were tasked with tracking down B-127, while they do that after they detect his signal while interrogating Cliffjumper I didn't see anything in the film that indicated that they were hunting down Bumblebee specifically before that moment, since they were trying to find Prime it seems more likely that the two Decepticons were just tracking down and interrogating any Autobot they could for Prime's location and so happen to be near Bee while they were interrogating Cliffjumper, although this is just a theory perhaps they were tracking down Autobots this exact way with finding one and detecting signals of other Autobots and repeat the procedure until they find Cliff, again this part is just a theory but regardless nothing in the film indicates that the two Decepticons were looking for Bumblebee specifically prior to the Autobot beaming his signal.

The Blitzwing part however is fine and correct since it isn't explained how he was already there, either he was already on Earth (I mean he is a Seeker and maybe Seekers seek other worlds which is what they did in ROTF although they are presumably separate from the more classic versions in this movie) or he took off after Bumblebee's pod immediately after they launched whether specifically looking for Bee or was chasing his pod by chance. Although those are theories and not fact. --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 7:30, 12 January 2019 (EST)
:Yeah, I don't think the error as listed is correct. Shatter and Dropkick are hunting for Optimus, they happen to be interrogating Cliffjumper when they detect Bumblebee's signal and they go to find Bumblebee on the hunch he'll be more willing to talk. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:05, 23 January 2019 (EST)

== Just an idea ==
I don't know if there is a way we could do this but could we take a poll on whether people like the Bumblebee designs or the original movieverse designs better? Please don't hate me for this. I'm new here.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:09, 28 January 2019 (EST)
:TFWiki isn't the place for "social" stuff, that would be better suited for a Transformers discussion forum. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:54, 28 January 2019 (EST)

==Bumblebee's Place in Continuity==
It seems Hasbro referred to Bumblebee as [https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/02/16/transformers-brand-info-from-new-york-toy-fair-2019-fan-media-panel-hasbrotoyfair-383106 "a new storytelling universe" at the ToyFair panel over the weekend]. Now admittedly this statement is rather vague, but the general idea seems to imply the film is now a reboot, not a prequel to the Michael Bay franchise. I'm aware of the mass discussions in regards to the film's continuity prior to release, and I don't mean to dredge up old arguments, but I think this statement is atleast worth discussing. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 20:17, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:I don't see any point in discussing this until after the next movie.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:48, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:Christ, can people tamp down their continuity deckchair-shuffling boners for like three consecutive seconds. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 17 February 2019 (EST)
::I guess you can say it's ''pretty hard?'' [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:43, 17 February 2019 (EST)
: Is [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/travis-knight-talks-edits-continuity-and-turning-people-into-goo-in-new-interview/43204/ this good enough]? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:42, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

==Bumblebee Universal Designation==
Since the Bumblebee movie has been confirmed to be a reboot, and was obviously a new timeline in the first place, I propose we call the BB movie universe: Tyran 018.21 Delta. --[[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] 15:03, 15 March 2019 (EST)
:We've already discussed this, including right above your post. The statement they made was too vague to actually pull anything definitive from, so we're not making any calls about whether the movie is a prequel or reboot (and therefore requires a new designation) until we know what the next movie is. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::Also the movie is blatantly made to work either way (with allowances for how shoddy inter-film continuity is for the whole enterprise). If new movies do their own thing, that doesn't actually change how they approached and made this movie. And we're not using TT stream designations for anything anyway. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:32, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
:::That too. Unless something gets mentioned in future TransTech fiction (assuming there even is any), you probably won't see any new universal streams added to the wiki going forward. (Note that we don't have one for Cyberverse either.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:38, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::::I don't see how it is vague. It was clearly confirmed to be a reboot. --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:36, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::No, it wasn't. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::Aside from any of that, [[Sector 7 Adventures: The Battle at Half Dome]] is tied to this movie and the previous ones. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:43, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

==Battletrap homage==
There's a note that states that Dropkick is an homage to Battletrap's appearance in "Cybertron's Most Wanted." Is there any evidence to back this up (say Travis Knight saying so like how he said Shatter is based on Nightbird), or is it just speculative? Because I don't remember hearing Mr. Knight saying anything about Dropkick's design. [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 10:57, 23 March 2019 (EDT)

== Entertainment Weekly ==
"An Entertainment Weekly article confirms some of the background characters in the scene set on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].<ref>[https://ew.com/movies/2018/12/22/bumblebee-spoilers-classic-transformers-opening-battle/2/ EW article on the Cybertron scene]</ref> "
Given all the errors in that article, I am tempted to just remove this from the page. How can we claim that it confirms anything when it gets so much wrong about the past? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:30, 24 March 2019 (EDT)
:I've pulled the note and removed the Seekers (other than Starscream) from the list. Find a source that is competent before re-adding. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:49, 27 March 2019 (EDT)
::[https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece From the horse's mouth.] Slide 28 concretely identifies them as such. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:49, 2 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Okay, that I can accept as a reliable source. The EW article I wouldn't even take as evidence for how to spell Entertainment Weekly, it was THAT bad.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:38, 4 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I wanna say that while obviously those Seeker colors were inspired by a few of the named Seekers over the years including being labeled as such in the concept art, I doubt those Seekers in the opening were those characters themselves only because the colors are reused for multiple Seekers, for example there are multiple "Thundercrackers" including the one Optimus pummels and the one Bumblebee knocks out of the way in vehicle mode before he knocks over and kills one of the many "Skywarps" in the scene, although it's possible any of these Seekers are indeed Skywarp,Thundercracker,Thrust,etc I'm not sure if that was the intent at the end, The colors I saw while watching a 4k version of the scene just today were besides the Thundercracker,Skywarp,Thrust ones there were the ROTF Dirge looking ones as well as an orange kind of Sunstorm Seeker that Bumblebee kicks a Skywarp head at and shortly before hand a mostly red Seeker in the background during the part where Bee knocks over two Seekers and finally there is a couple Seekers that uses Blitzwing's color scheme one of such is one of the Seekers that Prime shoots in the flashback and another is one of the many Seekers charging Prime at the end of the scene, funnily enough that one was right beside Shatter and Dropkick so that one might very well be Blitzwing himself but probably a coincidence, This fan made scale chart by Red Goblin (He's a very talented guy, I actually think he has some access or other to ILM renders, either that or he's really good at piecing together renders) while not an official source (probably) is a good film accurate showing of what colors were in the film. https://i.postimg.cc/2kRxjk5B/bumblebeeccons.png --[[User:Deadput|Deadput]] ([[User talk:Deadput|talk]]) 5:46, 4 April 2019 (EST)

==pics==
I get why all the pics are of the bot scenes...but shouldn't Charlie be in a few? Swapping the final image for example from one at the bridge to Prime and Bee seems to run counter to the fact that she's the the primary protagonist. {{unsigned|Eire}}
:I agree. At the moment the selection of screencaps is giving a completely inaccurate impression of the film. We have more screeencaps featuring Soundwave than we do of Charlie (and the one that does is just the back of her head). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

== Digital comic ==
Question: the recent comic (Sector 7 adventures: the battle at half dome) released with the dvd has many elements that connect Bumblebee movie with the 2007 Transformers movie (like Banachek, Simmons's S7 t-shirt, Soundwave looking for the AllSpark, Megatron frozen etc...); so can we add those informations in this page? [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:That information would be better suited to a Battle at Half Dome page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:04, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::Yes, I know I know, but what I was saying is that (for example) in the section "continuity notes" there is written that the S7 doesn't know the Cybertronians and there is also written a supposition that project Iceman is so secret that only a small portion of employees knows about it. I asked if there could be done a link saying these theory is supported by the comic. [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]), 24 April 2019
:::Probably not. I guarantee you the scriptwriters were not thinking about any comic adaptations when the movie was being written; in its own self-contained context, there is no explanation. Besides, if there's anything we've learned from the Bumblebee Prequel, it's that the events of a comic tie-in can't be treated as lining up precisely with, or having any influence on, movie canon. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:23, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Ok thanks. {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:::::Just one last question: if what you're saying is true, why in Bumblebee's notes (character, not movie I mean) about his arrival on earth is made mention to the IDW comics? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
::::::Character articles cover all of a character's appearances in all works of fiction, even when they're incompatible with one another. Hence why the "IDW Comics" section is placed separately on the page from the "Movies" section. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:51, 24 April 2019 (EDT)
:::::::OK Thanks

== Escape Pods/Protoform ==
Does anyone else notice the Escape pods resemble the protoform reentry modes of the Michael Bay Movies? Would it be alright if I made a note of that in the Trivia section of the Protoform' page? Or is only having minor resemblance not conclusive evidence enough to make a note of it in the trivia section of that Protoform' page?

== The movie is no longer a prequel, it's a reboot ==

When the movie finally came out, it was declared to be a reboot officially. Shouldn't the page be altered to reflect that? Here is at least one source: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/streaming-june-2020-netflix-disney-plus-hulu-hbo-max/ --[[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] ([[User talk:Luka1184|talk]]) 15:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:Please read the ''Bumblebee'' section on this page: [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers]]. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:45, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::Also, Bumblebee isn't even mentioned on that page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:12, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Transformers isn't mentioned on that page, either. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
::::I assume they meant to link to [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/bumblebee-official-transformers-reboot-hasbro/ this], which is simply re-reporting the "new storytelling universe" quote which is already covered on the page Escargon linked to. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
:::::And, even if it were completely out of continuity with the previous films, I can't see it as being separate enough to warrant splitting pages. It would still seem to fall in the same continuity family and would be covered on the pre-existing movie-verse pages just as the many separate G1 universes are covered on the same pages (barring splits for length). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:07, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

== so we all gonna talk about the fact that Travis retconed bumblebee losing his voice? ==

Like, in the 2007 movie prequel comic, he lost his voice to Megatron before chasing after the allspark. Why did Travis change it?Mikey. 17:03, 10 November 2020 (EST)

User:Michael dunlap.

2020-11-10T21:58:56Z

Michael dunlap.: Hi.

Hello, my name is Mikey, how are y'all?