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2025-05-11T02:30:57Z

MissDaria: Construction error?

Error? That Galvatron, who needed to borrow the Constructicons to build his cannon in ''Target: 2006'', can apparently build a big power siphon all by himself? —[[User:MissDaria|MissDaria]] ([[User talk:MissDaria|talk]]) 22:30, 10 May 2025 (EDT)

Space Pirates!

2025-04-24T00:05:24Z

MissDaria: Another ‘Season Three’ comparison.

{{disambig3|Space Pirates}}
{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (UK)]] #182–187
|prev=The Big Broadcast of 2006 (issue)
|next=Firebug!
|title="Space Pirates!"
|image=MarvelUK-187.jpg
|caption=Arise, Ghyrikius Prime!
|publisher=[[Marvel Comics]]
|date=[[September 10|10th September]]–[[October 15|15th October]] [[1988]]
|coverdate=10th September–15th October 1988
|script=[[Simon Furman]]
|art=[[Dan Reed]] (#182–183)<br/>[[Lee Sullivan]] (#186–187)
|pencils=[[Dougie Braithwaite]] (#184–185)
|inks=[[Dave Harwood]] (#184–185)
|colour=[[Euan Peters]] (#182–186)<br/>[[Steve White]] (#187)
|letters=[[Gary Gilbert|Glib]]
|edits by=Chris Francis
|chronology=[[Marvel Comics timeline#Original future|Original future (2008)]]
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]] ([[Primax 984.20 Gamma|Marvel UK]])
}}
'''Death and destruction reign supreme as the Quintessons embark on their master plan to eliminate the Transformers species.'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Sevax.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.5]]
The [[Quintesson]]s are not having a good year. Space-time itself has been seriously ruptured, and the feedback from the disruption has altered the orbit of the Quintessons' homeworld [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintesson]], such that it is in imminent danger of falling into its [[sun]].

The Quintessons' original plan of response to this crisis was to find an alternative homeworld to move to; to that end, Quintesson spies/explorers surveyed a number of machine worlds (including [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]) and recorded their findings in the [[Quintesson Journal]]. Unfortunately, the journal fell into the hands of [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], who withstood all attempts to wring its location from him. As such, the Quintessons decide to move to Plan B — direct conquest of Cybertron and elimination of the [[Transformer]]s. Fear of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]] has made them hold off to this point, but without any other option, they proceed. This plan will start with an assault on [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] on [[Earth]].

Meanwhile, on the way to the holding cells, Wreck-Gar manages to escape his guards and get onto a nearby boat. Attacked from beneath, Wreck-Gar falls into the water and is surrounded by biting [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]].

===Plan of Attack!===
[[File:Beachcomber air raid space pirates.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5]]
[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] is bored with guard duty at Autobot City Earth and goes off for a ride, which the Quintesson General [[Ghyrik]] uses as an opportunity to mount a full-scale attack, killing many [[Autobot]]s, including [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] as he attempts to transform Autobot City into Battle Mode. Arcee is shocked when she returns to see the devastation, only to be gunned down herself.

Meanwhile, Wreck-Gar is saved from a sea of Sharkticons by [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] on his own spaceship.

===Pursuit!===
[[File:Space Pirates! Junkions refuse to answer Rodimus Prime.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2]]
On Cybertron, [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] has a confused video call with some [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]], failing to find out the location of Wreck-Gar. He then discovers communications to Autobot City Earth are down.

The Quintessons move on to the second part of their plan B. They ask the Decepticon commander [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] for help against the Autobots that are (allegedly) attacking the Quintesson homeworld. Having no sympathy to the Quintesson plight, Soundwave instead decides to mount a full-scale attack on the empty [[Autobase]] on Cybertron.

Meanwhile, Wreck-Gar and Wheelie have meaningless conversations and escape the Quintessons in an asteroid field.

Finally, Rodimus and the Autobots arrive on Autobot City Earth to find their comrades hanging lifeless from the sides of the city.

===The Tender Trap!===
[[File:Astrotrain space pirates.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2]]
On Cybertron, the Decepticons launch their attack on Autobase. But it was a trap! They are ambushed by an army of Quintessons. At a loss, Soundwave sends an anonymous distress call to the remaining Autobots, which is picked up by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Eject (G1)|Eject]].

On Earth, Rodimus sends the others off whilst he takes care of Arcee by using the power of the Matrix. But it was also a trap! Rodimus is ambushed by General Ghyrik who runs off with the Matrix. Away from its power, Rodimus weakens and shrinks, reverting to Hot Rod.

Meanwhile, Wreck-Gar and Wheelie have more meaningless conversations and continue to escape the Quintessons.

===The Awakening!===
Hot Rod and Arcee manage to escape the Quintessons. Finding the strung-up body of Blaster, Hot Rod rummages through his chest for some cassettes.

[[File:Generalghyrik.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Um, Mr. Ghyrik, the capture of the hero comes before the "Villain's Exposition"...]]
Inside Autobot city, General Ghyrik realizes that whilst the attack on Autobot City Earth was just for the purposes of eliminating the Autobots, it would also serve as a base to enslave all of Earth's humans.

On Cybertron, just as the Decepticons are about to be defeated, Ultra Magnus and the Autobots turn up and join in the fight against the Quintessons.

Meanwhile, Wreck-Gar and Wheelie abandon ship for a small asteroid containing a few Junkions and a transmitter, just in time for the transmission of the contents of the message canister

[[File:Metroplex-UK.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|I'm here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.]]
Finally, whilst Arcee and Blaster's Cassettes hold off the Quintessons, Hot Rod fights with General Ghyrik and manages to reactivate [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], the giant Autobot sleeping within Autobot City.

===The End of the World!===
On Earth, Metroplex unloads a can of whoopass on the occupying Quintessons. Hot Rod manages to recover the Matrix from Ghyrik by using a child's trick, and then throws Ghyrik off a rooftop, thus winning the battle there.

On Cybertron, the combined Autobot and Decepticon forces overwhelm the Quintessons on Cybertron, and Soundwave even briefly considers the notion of a truce—but the two factions have been through too much to ever resolve their differences.

Meanwhile, as the contents of the message canister is transmitted to the galaxy at large, a large number of robotic species discover their worlds had been slated for potential colonization. As a result, those Quintessons who managed to escape the death of their world will be galactic fugitives, hated and hunted by the machine races of the galaxy.

Epilogue 1: The Quintesson planet comes to an end.

Epilogue 2: Months from now, Autobot scientists discover the accelerated death of the Quintesson homeworld was because of a rapidly-expanding rift in time and space.
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
{{collist|2|
*[[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] (10)
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] (11)
*[[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]] (12)
*[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] (13)
*[[Hopper]] (14)
*[[Chase (G1)|Chase]] (15)
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (16)
*[[Springer (G1)|Springer]] (17)
*[[Wheeljack (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Wheeljack]] (18)
*[[Beachcomber (G1)|Beachcomber]] (19)
*[[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] (20)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime/Hot Rod]] (21)
*[[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (26)
*[[Kup (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Kup]] (35)
*[[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] (36)
*[[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]] (37)
*[[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (38)
*[[Eject (G1)|Eject]] (47)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] (48)
*[[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] (50)
*[[Wideload (G1)|Wideload]] (51)
*[[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] (52)
*[[Blades (G1)|Blades]] (53)
*[[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] (54)
*[[Nosecone (G1)|Nosecone]] (55)
*[[Strafe (G1)|Strafe]] (56)
*[[Scattershot (G1)|Scattershot]] (57)
*[[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]] (58)
*[[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] (59)
*[[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]] (60)
*[[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] (61)
}}
|c2=
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] (27)
*[[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] (28)
*[[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Grrr]] (29)
*[[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] (30)
*[[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] (31)
*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (32)
*[[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] (33)
*[[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] (34)
*[[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] (39)
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] (40)
*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (41)
*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] (42)
*[[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]] (43)
*[[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] (44)
*[[Wildrider (G1)|Wildrider]] (45)
*[[Rampage (G1)|Rampage]] (46)
*[[Ravage (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ravage]] (49)
|c4=
*[[Ghyrik]] (1)
*[[Jolup]] (2)
*[[Kledji]] (3)
*[[Sevax]] (4)
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] (5)
*Various [[Quintesson]] guards (6)
*Quintesson judge (7)
*"Innocent" victim (8)
*[[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]] (9)
*[[Junkyard (G1)|Junkyard]] (22)
*[[Second-in-command Junkion]] (23)
*[[Scrapheap (G1)|Scrapheap]] (24)
*[[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] (25)
}}

==Quotes==
"It's funny, once upon a time '''Hot Rod''' would probably have joined me! But now that he's been transformed by our sacred life force, '''the Creation Matrix''', into our leader, '''Rodimus Prime''', he's probably going to '''court-martial''' me."
:—'''Arcee''' laments Hot Rod's matrix-induced character development as she returns to her deserted guard post.

"But quit the '''macho''' bit, eh? It just '''doesn't suit you!'''"<br>
"Aww...I thought you might find it sort'a '''appealing!'''"<br>
"'''Matrix help us!'''"
:—'''Arcee''' and '''Hot Rod'''

"'''What have you done?''' A '''self-destruct''' device?"<br>
"Not exactly. You see, the reason why Autobot City is able to transform... is that its core is a '''living being''' — a '''Transformer!''' All I did was wake him up! General, may I introduce... '''<big><font color="red">METROPLEX!</font></big>'''"
:— '''Ghyrik''' sets up '''Hot Rod''' to give Metroplex a cool intro/exposition.

==Notes==
===Artwork and technical errors===
[[File:Chase perceptor space pirates.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|[[Chase (G1)|Chase]] is on the left, pictured here with [[Searchlight (G1)|Searchlight]]'s head, and colored like [[Rollbar (G1)|Rollbar]]. He's like a combination of half the [[Throttlebot]]s at this point.]]
*In part 1, a [[Quintesson Prosecutor]] addresses a Judge with "Has the imperial majestrix reached a verdict?", almost certainly a mishearing of a line from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' referring to the imperial ''magistrate''.
*In part 2, [[Chase (G1)|Chase]] is coloured like [[Rollbar (G1)|Rollbar]].
*In the big reveal shot of all the Autobots strung up and inactive at the end of part 3, a narration text box resides over Trailbreaker, and it seems to have confused the colourist. His upper half above the text box is coloured correctly, but his legs below it are a strange red and white colour scheme.
**In the same shot, there's an Autobot halfway offscreen who appears to be coloured like Brawn... but from what's visible, the actual character model used doesn't look anything like him. Whether this was actually intended to be Brawn or is just a generic using his colour scheme is hard to say, as no other shot of these Autobots in the later parts ever has the character in frame.
*On page 2 panel 2 of part 4, as Soundwave speaks to the assembled Decepticons aboard Astrotrain, Wildrider is coloured like his fellow Stunticon Breakdown.
*In another shot of the strung up Autobots in part 4, there's a [[generic]] to the left of Slingshot who is coloured like Trailbreaker... probably because he was supposed to ''be'' Trailbreaker, who the art consistently depicts as being strung up to the left of Slingshot in parts 3 and 5.
*Page 5 Panel 4 of Part 5: Wheeljack is missing his characteristic cheek fins.

[[File:SpacePiratesSoundwaveLeader.JPG|thumb|upright=1.9|right|Colour swap thursdays is a proud tradition among the Stunticons (Wildrider is second from the right).]]

===Continuity errors===
*Considering the events of [[The Transformers: The Movie]] have been referenced in and are implied to be canon to the Marvel UK future timeline, it's a bit odd to see Wheeljack alive here since he's very prominently shown dead in The Movie. Same with Brawn, if indeed that is supposed to him (see Artwork and technical errors above).

===Continuity notes===
*The future Autobots were last seen in "[[The Legacy of Unicron!]]". Their story continues in "[[Time Wars]]".
*We get a look at Soundwave's generals. They're mainly the leaders of sub-teams, such as [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Gurrr]]. Oddly, [[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] is representing the Constructicons these days. [[File:Soundwaveconsiders.jpg|right|upright=1.4|thumb|We don't ''have'' to kill each other. What do you say?]]

===Real-life references===
*When Soundwave sorrowfully notes that "too much has happened between our races" for an end to the war to occur, artist [[Lee Sullivan]] homages the artwork from the similar end to that same year's "The Killing Joke."

===Other trivia===
*This story is noticeably influenced by Season 3 of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon series]]. Space Pirates was the most cartoon-influenced UK comic story since "[[Decepticon Dam-Busters!]]".
**As in the episode "[[The Burden Hardest to Bear]]", Rodimus Prime has the Matrix stolen from within him, and is 'de-powered' to his previous incarnation Hot Rod, whilst the Matrix thief has enhanced strength.
**[[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] resembles strongly its appearance in the 1986 animated movie and season 3 cartoon series, albeit coloured differently. As in the cartoon series, [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] is seen as the 'living core' of the city.
**Characters prominent in Season 3 of cartoon series, but were previously unknown to the Marvel UK comic series, such as the [[Quintesson]]s and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], also feature heavily.
**Established Transformers who weren’t in Season 3 of the cartoon barely appear, and none have speaking lines.
*The first three parts of this story are the basis for [[Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 24|Fooled By Space Pirates]], a German text story.
* The ship that Wreck-Gar and Wheelie are flying around in for most of the back half of this arc is very clearly just [[Ark (G1)|the Ark]]'s model from the cartoon. (Though it's not ''actually'' the Ark, as the Ark looked completely different in the Marvel comics).

===Back-up material===
'''Issue #182'''
*'''Back-up strips:''' ''[[Combat Colin]]'' - "Kung Fu Penguins"
**"Kung Fu Penguins" was a reprint of full page Combat Colin strips that originally appeared in [[Action Force (comic)|Action Force]] issues #34, #35, #36, #38, #39 and #40
*Issue #182 includes the last ever ''[[Letters page (Marvel UK)#Grim Grams|Grim Grams]]'', which had been a feature since [[In the National Interest|issue #75]]. In an introduction [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] claimed this was because it was too difficult for the dumb [[stubbie]]s to forward all the letters to the [[Moon (moon)|moon]] (where Grimlock currently resided).

'''Issue #183'''
*'''Back-up strips:''' ''[[Visionaries]]'' - "Quest of the Four Talismans" and ''Combat Colin''
*This issue saw a whole new look Transformations page (the introduction on page 2), which had last been changed in issue [[In the National Interest|#74]] (and before that in issue [[The New Order|#22]]). It no longer included an contents index (thus making life more difficult for future wiki page editors).
*The back-up strip changed from ''Action Force'' to ''Visionaries'', necessitating a change to the front cover subtitle.
*Instead of a letters page, issue #183 contained a special ''[[Robo-Capers]]'' strip entitled "[[The Wind of Change!]]" by [[Simon Furman]] and [[Lew Stringer]] that showed Grimlock being replaced by [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] as letters page answerer.

'''Issue #184'''
*'''Back-up strips:''' ''Visionaries'' - "Quest of the Four Talismans" and ''Combat Colin''
*Issue #184 saw the first installment of ''Dread Tidings'', which then ran until [[Rhythms of Darkness!|issue #299]]

'''Issue #185'''
*'''Back-up strips:''' ''Visionaries'' - "Quest of the Four Talismans" and ''Combat Colin''

'''Issue #186'''
*'''Back-up strips:''' ''Visionaries'' - "Quest of the Four Talismans" and ''Combat Colin''

'''Issue #187'''
*'''Back-up strips:''' ''Visionaries'' - "Wings" and ''Combat Colin''

===British Junkionisms===
*As in the cartoon, Wreck-Gar's dialogue is littered with references to TV shows. However, UK comics Wreck-Gar has watched an awful lot more UK TV. This obviously wasn't a problem when the story originally came out, but thanks to the increased availability of UK stories in the US along with the fact that lots of these references are decades old, lots of this stuff is now just plain confusing. So, here's a list of exactly what the hell Wreck-Gar is talking about in each issue:

====Part 1====
*"Great Balls of Fire!"—a 1957 {{w|Great Balls of Fire|song}} made famous by Jerry Lee Lewis.
*"''L.A. Law'' this ain't"—An American {{w|L.A. Law|legal drama}}.
*"No mealtime treat"—?.
*"Tense, nervous headache" and "nothing acts faster than Anadin"—references a British advert for [http://www.anadin.co.uk/ Anadin], a brand name for various headache tablets (yes, it's a real brand).
*"Bite it, crunch it, chew it!"—the jingle used for an advert for {{w|Boost (chocolate)|Cadbury's Boost}}, a chocolate bar.
*"Tonight on ''The Clothes Show''..."—A {{w|The Clothes Show|television show}} originally shown on [[BBC]] 1 that showed you how you too could look great on a budget. Often involved {{w|Sleeveless shirt|tank tops}}.
*"''Top of the Pops'' on the Quintessons' hit-list was Cybertron"—A popular British {{w|Top of the Pops|music show}}, featuring artists from the Top 40. Ruthlessly crushed by MTV and its ilk.
*"...and it's still not safe to go back in the water!"—Tag line from {{w|Jaws|some film}} about a [[Overbite (G1)|shark]] or something.

====Part 2====
*"For up to 20% fewer fillings, use Gibbs Sr!"—Gibbs Sr was a brand of toothpaste. It's also the answer to the question "What was the first advert ever shown on British TV?" Impress your friends with knowledge!
*"...the sweet you can eat between meals!"—Allegedly, a {{w|Milky Way (chocolate bar)|Milky Way bar}}. The version sold in the UK lacks the caramel you find in the US version, which is actually closer to a UK Mars bar (and which both used the "work, rest and play" advertising slogan). The UK version will float in water. More sexy knowledge!
*"Shot my bolt, Bernie"—Possibly a reference to a TV show called ''[http://www.ukgameshows.com/ukgs/The_Golden_Shot The Golden Shot]''. Furman is showing his age a bit here. Out of context, it sounds incredibly rude.
*"It'll take more than Five Alive to pep me up"—{{w|Five Alive|Juice drink}} still widely available in the UK. Contains 42% fruit juice, 22% sugar and several artificial sweeteners. Yum!
*"Talk about close shaves...I was so impressed, I bought the company!"—Advertising slogan used on Remington Electric Shavers.
*"The needs of the many must take precedence over the needs of the one, Captain"—A generic term, but in this case referencing the {{w|Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan|greatest sci-fi film of all time}}.
*"Autobots must be warned of Quintessons' university challenge"—British {{w|University Challenge|quiz show}}, pitting university students against each other. Oxbridge colleges (who compete individually) usually won.
*"It'll be winner takes all if we don't make our home run now!"—Another {{w|Winner Takes All (game show)|quiz show}}, notable for having a top prize of £1000 (oooh) and for helping to catch a rapist. Yes.

====Part 3====
*"I'm afraid it's time for closedown"—The name given to the period during the bad old days when TV stations would shut down for the night. Abandoned once they realised that people might want to watch TV after midnight, and that they had plenty of music/news/repeats to show them.
*"Only when Bob says ''Opportunity Knocks!''"—A sort of precursor to ''America/Britain's Got Talent'', {{w|Opportunity Knocks (UK TV series)|this show}} aired off and on from the 50s through to the 90s. Wreck-Gar is referencing the period when it was hosted by British National Treasure {{w|Bob Monkhouse}}.
*"Until then we follow the Green Cross Code"—The name given to the act of stopping at the side of the road and checking both ways before crossing. The original Green Cross Code man was David Prowse, who later went on to complain about being dubbed in [[Star Wars (film)|some film]].
*"Run silent. Run deep. You know it makes sense."—The former refers to the {{w|Run Silent, Run Deep|1958 film of the same name}}. The latter, meanwhile, was one of several catchphrases associated with British TV programme ''{{w|Only Fools and Horses}}''.
*"Yeah. Why slowmo...when you can Flymo!"—Tagline to an advert for a really nice [http://www.flymo.com/ lawn mower] that was much faster than contemporary designs.
*"Need extra strength Daz. Reaches the parts of engines other powers can't stir!"—[http://www.dazwhite.co.uk/ Washing detergent] that is so much more powerful than normal ones that it had adverts proclaiming this power to all. Currently uses old soap stars (you see the joke!) instead.
*"Points mean prizes!"—Catchprase used by {{w|Bruce Forsyth}} - British National Treasure, when he presented ''{{w|Play Your Cards Right}}'', a quiz show based on the US show ''Card Sharks''.

====Part 4====
*"She flies through the air with the greatest of ease!"—Lyrics from the 19th century song, "{{w|The Daring Young Man on the Flying Trapeze}}". Wreck-Gar was probably more familiar with one of the many cover versions.
*"I'm going to have to offer that to the other side!"—"The other side" was a typical way of referring to the opposing team on various television quiz shows, such as ''{{w|University Challenge}}''.
*"Today, the Wish You Were Here Team visits..."—''{{w|Wish You Were Here...?}}'' was a long-running British travel programme.

====Part 5====
*Wreck-Gar's extended exchange with another Junkion is done in the style of football (that's soccer to the colonials in the reading audience) commentation, after the British television show ''{{w|The Big Match}}''. Wreck-Gar and his companion refer to each other with the names of the show's presenters, {{w|Brian Moore (commentator)|Brian Moore}} and {{w|Jimmy Hill}}, respectively.

===Covers (6)===
*'''UK issue #182 cover:''' A pair of Quintessons hold Cybertron in their clutches, by [[Lee Sullivan]].
*'''UK issue #183 cover:''' Arcee is shot, by [[Andrew Wildman]].
*'''UK issue #184 cover:''' Rodimus Prime is confused, by [[Jerry Paris]].
*'''UK issue #185 cover:''' Soundwave is ambushed by the Quintessons, by Andrew Wildman.
*'''UK issue #186 cover:''' Metroplex's fist, by Andrew Wildman.
*'''UK issue #187 cover:''' Ghyrik takes the Matrix from Rodimus Prime, by Andrew Wildman.
<gallery>
File:MarvelUK-182.jpg|'''UK issue #182'''
File:MarvelUK-183.jpg|'''UK issue #183'''
File:MarvelUK-184.jpg|'''UK issue #184'''
File:MarvelUK-185.jpg|'''UK issue #185'''
File:MarvelUK-186.jpg|'''UK issue #186'''
File:MarvelUK-187.jpg|'''UK issue #187'''
</gallery>

===Advertisements===
*None yet identified.

===Reprints===
*'''''[[Transformers Collected Comics]]'' #17 cover:''' Reuse of issue #182's cover.
*'''''[[Transformers: Space Pirates]]'' TPB:''' a Quintesson (probably Lord Kledji) oversees Hot Rod and Arcee injured, Wreck-Gar being attacked by Sharkticons and Metroplex awakening on Earth, by [[Geoff Senior]] and [[Oliver Harud]].
*'''''[[The Transformers: Best of UK: Space Pirates|Best of UK: Space Pirates]]'' #1 cover A:''' Wreck-Gar vs Sharkticons, art by [[Robby Musso]] and colours by [[Kieran Oats]].
*'''''Best of UK: Space Pirates'' #1 cover RI:''' Wreck-Gar is dragged under by Sharkticons, from issue #182, page 11, panel 1.
*'''''Best of UK: Space Pirates'' #2 cover A:''' Soundwave leads the Decepticons into battle, art by [[Dan Khanna]] and colours by [[Liam Shalloo]].
*'''''Best of UK: Space Pirates'' #2 cover RI:''' Soundwave and his generals aboard Astrotrain, from page 2 of issue #185.
<gallery>
File:Tfcolcom17.jpg|'''''Collected Comics'' #17'''
File:SpacePiratesTitanTPB.jpg|'''''Space Pirates'' TPB'''
File:IDWBofUKSP1A.jpg|'''''Best of UK: Space Pirates'' #1 cover A'''
File:IDWBofUKSP1RI.jpg|'''''Best of UK: Space Pirates'' #1 cover RI'''
File:IDWBofUKSP2A.jpg|'''''Best of UK: Space Pirates'' #2 cover A'''
File:IDWBofUKSP2RI.jpg|'''''Best of UK: Space Pirates'' #2 cover RI'''
</gallery>
*'''''Best of UK: Space Pirates'' #3 cover A:''' Metroplex vs Quintessons, art by [[Nick Roche]] and colours by [[Chris Carter]].
*'''''Best of UK: Space Pirates'' #3 cover RI:''' Metroplex vs Quintessons, from the final page of issue #186.
*'''''Best of UK: Space Pirates'' TPB cover:''' Reuse of the cover of ''Best of UK: Space Pirates'' issue #1.
*'''''Best of UK: Space Pirates'' TPB cover:''' Reuse of the cover of ''Best of UK: Space Pirates'' issue #2.
*'''''[[The Transformers: Best of UK]]'' Omnibus:''' [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] tear into the [[Wreckers]] and [[Mayhem Attack Squad|Mayhems]], crop of the cover to ''[[The Transformers: Best of UK: Time Wars|Best of UK: Time Wars]]'' issue #4.
*'''''[[Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection]]: Volume 14: Space Pirates''''' [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] and a scene of the Blaster and Wheeljack strung up
*'''''[[The Transformers Classics UK]]'' [[The Transformers Classics UK Volume 6|Volume 6]] cover:''' General [[Ghyrik]], a [[Quintesson]] Judge, [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]], [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], [[Carnivac (G1)|Carnivac]] and [[Snarler]]. Art and colors by [[Andrew Wildman]].
<gallery>
File:IDWBofUKSP3A.jpg|'''''Best of UK: Space Pirates'' #3 cover A'''
File:IDWBofUKSP3RI.jpg|'''''Best of UK: Space Pirates'' #3 cover RI'''
File:IDWBofUKSP.jpg|'''''Best of UK: Space Pirates'' TPB'''
File:IDWBofUKSPTPB.jpg|'''''Best of UK: Space Pirates'' TPB'''
File:IDWBofUKOmnibus.jpg|'''''Best of UK'' Omnibus'''
File:DefinitiveG1Collection v14.jpg|'''''The Definitive G1 Collection: Volume 14;''''' cover art by [[Don Figueroa]], [[Dougie Braithwaite]] and [[Dave Harwood]]
File:ClassicsUK6.jpg|'''''Classics UK'' Volume 6 TPB'''
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[[Category:Marvel UK issues]]

Talk:Marvel Comics continuity

2025-04-19T01:35:18Z

MissDaria:

Can we get a timeline to go along with this? I can do up a template to (I think) make it really clear how US and UK stuff intercuts. (Which I guess means I'm asking ''should'' there be a timeline, then volunteering to work on a sane layout for it.)

I actually went and took notes on all the explanations of the Timeward US/UK split from the UK Letters pages- and I think I've got a pretty clear idea exactly ''how'' the two are separated. (or at last the official explanation thereof.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
: I think a timeline would be prudent. Though I would imagine it might be hard to do outside a flowchart, what with the 30 million different continuity branchoffs. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:53, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
::Depends on the approach. I'll mock something up.
::Unrelated, have we considered a 'year' page? Similar to our overall Transformers timeline but like 'in 1988, these comic issues were published, these episodes aired, this other major event took place...' I ask mostly because, technically speaking, you should always include a year on the copyright notice on pics, and sometimes I'm ballparking. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

==Timeline Mockup==
Okay, I'm picturing something like [http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/layout.png this].
Post-timewars It'd probably be easier to jsut switch to three-collumn than the interleaved Earthforce/UK layout I have there (and the interleaving is pretty bad here since I hacked this together with photoshop.) But this is essentially what I'm proposing.<br/>
Relevant ideas conveyed:
* Time Wars created a new timeline for the US stories (stated in the letters pages)
* Target 2006 and everythign that directly resulted from it (which is about 2/3 of the UK stories) didn't happen in that new timeline. Thus- the Nemesis is suddenly around again.
* Earthforce is a less drastic branch- it continues the UK timeline, but the 'UK Future' of the TFTM Comic Adaption is no longer valid. Nonetheless, Earthforce continues on it's merry path, and Unicron will arrive in 2006 while in the US he shows up early in 1991.
* Peace is the endpoint of the Earthforce timeline (Dreadwind made a poitn of Peace's healthy Rodimus not being in conflict w/ sick Rodimus from Aspects in the letters page.)

The result is- the US timeline stands more-or-less alone. A ''few'' UK stories took place in the new UK timeline (Deathbringer demonstrably, but probably also some other stuff like Decepticon Dam Busters that didn't matter that much.) Some holes had to be filled in the US timeline- and Marvel UK suddenly publishign the long-delayed Gi Joe teamup that explains why Bumblebee became goldbug instead of being rebuilt by Wreck-Gar (since Wreck-gar's visit had just been erased) really makes a lot of sense.

The UK timeline isn't the mess everyone claims it is- time travel ON TOP of the branching timelines and mini-Crisis makes it hard to sort out.... but there actually ''is'' a method to the madness.

(Of course, now you'all will probably tell me I'm crazy and am making things up.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:02, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
: You are indeed making a lot of stuff up. Less speculation, more facty, please!--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:04, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
::Hrm, i thought of a better visualization that hangs on less of that anyway. I'll get around to it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

It's been quite a while but just where does the idea that [[Time Wars]] altered the ''past'' come from? I remember someone suggested this in the UK letters page around about the 230s when they tried to guess at how Goldbug had become Bumblebee again in the Pretender Classics (before the relevant stories were printed), but the response was that this was wrong and the time changes hadn't gone backwards.

The reason for the UK comic suddenly running the G.I. Joe vs Transformers series was entirely due to problems of schedules - because the UK comic was weekly and some of the US stories were short enough to reprint in three issues the comic kept catching up so the next US story wasn't yet ready. This led to reprints in issues #221-231 & #255-258 that a lot of letter writers complained about, whilst the problem kept recurring so they instead ran the limited series as it could create a much larger gap in the publication schedule and solve the problem once and for all. It was always billed from the outset as including "the US origin of Goldbug" and never presented as being in continuity. (Similarly no effort was made to rename "G.I. Joe" to "Action Force", even though that would have been the "correct" name at that point in their UK timeline.) [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 20:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

==Timeline Mockup 2==
[http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/marvel_continuity.jpg Simplified.]

Okay, this si what happened. Around timewars, the Original Target 2006 future got invalidated, so when Rodimus et al, traveled froward, ti was suddenly to a new and different future. thus, Earthforce is after Timewaars in a really straightforward 'this possible future that caused us no end of grief is no longer possible' sort of way'

Simultaneously, the timerify in timeaars created a 'post crisis' continuity that the US stories from, say, US #72 forward take place in. Everythign replating to the time-travelign Galvatron got yanked out (and suddenly the nemesis is no longer destroyed, etc.) This is ''explicitly explaind'' in the US letters page.

UK continuity continues relatively unimpeded, just with the original future invalidated, US continuity takes place on a post-crisis (post-Timewars) earth. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

:Neither of these theories is right. Its actually all very simple. In the UK continuity there are 3 timelines. The main timeline splits from the original by Galvatron arriving in Target: 2006. The space time rift repairs itself by replacing the original time line with the 'Rhythms of darkness' timeline in which Galvatron never time-jumped. Earthforce takes place between 'Price of life' and 'Surrender' in a massive plot loop. (This was due to publishing problems at the time). A complete list can be found on the Marvel wikia and on a talk page of the Transformers wikia. Have a look and you will see it all makes sense. {{unsigned|91.194.221.231|07:43, October 6, 2011 (EDT)}}
::This stuff is interesting. It seems almost possible to nail down what the deal is with all the timelines (OK, maybe not ''The Big Broadcast of 2006''). It is true that Rhythms of Darkness is one ''possible'' post-Time Wars replacement for the original UK future. Another possible replacement is the main continuity we got in the comic. It makes me wonder what event caused us to get Unicron loosing instead of Unicron winning. I'd like to hear more about what exactly was ''explicitly explained'' in the US letters page. Preferalbly withuot typos. Why was the US letters page talking about Time Wars? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:31, 6 October 2011 (EDT)

==On plot summaries==

I made a suggestion in regards to "in-universe" story summaries, but I made it in response to a year-old discussion on a character's talk page, so I think it probably was overlooked. I don't know if the suggestion is still relevant, but this seems to be a good place to put it forth again.

For context, the discussion was about writing summaries as in-universe, as actual events that really happened, and the counter-argument was that people may want to go back and view a story, but writing in-universe would not allow issue or episode number/title references.

What if we write the articles referring to plot points as events, as opposed to story titles, but we still put superscript links where appropriate, with the matching footnotes used to denote episode or issue numbers and titles? That way the article itself is still written "in-universe", but we also provide a reference for anyone who wishes to watch or read the plot in question.

Like I said, it was a year ago discussion I replied to. Maybe a solution's already been found? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 18:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
:Footnotes, italicised notes, contextual linking like "Blaster was surprised to see Straxus single again, as he had previously been seen getting gay-married in Hawaii." Doesn't that about cover it? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:44, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
::Also, [[Template:Storylink]] --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:53, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

==Balls==

Do we '''really''' need to be making such jokes in front of kids? And it's not even a very good "balls" joke. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 19:02, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
: I can change it to "testicles," if you want. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
:: Ah, but do we really want to be referring to the Classics comic as something creative? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 19:53, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
::: How about the "semen-encrusted underside of the continuity"? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
:::: Perfect! --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 20:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I, uh, I kind of agree with Rotty's first statement that this isn't even a good joke. It's a real stretch, honestly. The classics bubble itself is the only remotely phallic part of the diagram so I don't see how it could be considered the balls. Also, the diagram kind of sucks anyway. Sorry, Walky. :( --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 19:41, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

== Marvel UK/Earthforce, post-Classics & RG1 ==

I've been thinking about this recently. Right now, we basically treat (for the purposes of pages like this) Marvel UK as a single timeline with Marvel US up until Earthforce, outside of Bumblebee's rebuild.

Given that we now have two "continuation" continuities that ''explicitly include only Marvel US stories'', and none of the others actually follow up Marvel UK even if they don't reject it, does this really hold up any more? Might it not be more accurate - especially in the light of notes like this one on [[Wolf in the Fold!]]:
:''With this issue, the Survivors storyline now explicitly ties into the alternate continuity of the Earthforce storyline. It's not clear where one draws the line between the main storyline and this portion of the Earthforce branch.''
... - to go with Occam's Razor and regard Earth-120185* as one single continuity, including Earthforce, which diverges much earlier with the first UK-exclusive story, ''even if'' it subsequently includes slightly-tweaked versions of the US stories (tweaks including Bumblebee/Goldbug's rebuild, Skids in Limbo, other minor changes), and Earth-91274* as another (*I don't want to use "Marvel UK continuity" and "Marvel US continuity" for this since, of course, Marvel UK published all of both continuities within G1!). RG1, Classics and any others that follow the Marvel US version of the Unicron battle (as opposed to the unseen Earthforce version), on this view, are splinter timelines from 91274.

Thoughts? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:18, 6 April 2013 (EDT)
:The problem with Earthforce being seen as the proper path for the UK timeline is that there's simply no feasible way of making it work for the timeline. Looking at "[[...Perchance to Dream]]", we've got a Galvatron from nowhere sneaking into the empty Ark in space to revive Autobots who fell during the Underbase Saga. Except that it just doesn't fit with how post-Underbase Saga stories flow. If it's meant to be [[Galvatron II]] as Furman said, then by the time Galvatron II comes along, the Ark is in full use by the Autobots and only abandoned in space when Primus teleports everyone to Cybertron at the end of "[[Out of Time!]]", which is too close to "[[On the Edge of Extinction!]]" for the entirety of the Earthforce stories ("[[The Magnificent Six!]]" included) to have happened between those events. Not to mention how, starting with "[[Starting Over!]]", Megatron is suddenly back and in command on Earth when he should be either on Cybertron, trapped between spaces with Ratchet, fused with Ratchet, or inside a pod in the Ark until Grimlock accidentally revives him (''after'' Unicron's attack, even). He's not Straxus-Megatron either since the "[[Two Megatrons!]]" story took care of him. And the last pre-Earthforce, non-future UK-only stories took place around the time of the Matrix Quest, tying into that saga, preventing Earthforce from having occurred any earlier than what was already a very critical and tightly-knit era of the story. The UK continuity was simply so reliant on the US stories that trying to fit in Earthforce, in any conceivable manner, as the primary course of events for the UK timeline to follow over the path taken by its reprinted US stories becomes a fool's errand. The only reason the Carnivac Earthforce stories seem to follow on from Carnivac's post-Time Wars stories is because those few Earthforce were a rare case of Earthforce stories actually attempting to try and fit in with the main timeline, whereas the main bulk of the Earthforce saga just ''didn't'' and ''couldn't'' do that due to how much the UK timeline depended on the path of the US stories, and due to the restrictions and inabilities from the time that prevented Furman from writing stories that could fit in like the pre-Earthforce stories. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:55, 9 April 2013 (EDT)

::Okay, straight away I took US #'''60''' as the (negotiable, might need to move it a bit - in retrospect, #61 may make more sense) basis for when the "US reprints stopped counting for UK/Earthforce", partly on publication order - the very next UK story was [[...Perchance to Dream]], which starts the Earthforce divergences with that alternate Galvatron II - but partly ''because'' of a whole slew of your points which come from later issues. The Megatron/Ratchet abomination was revealed in US #69 - before that, Megatron was simply shunted into nowhere in a very similar manner to US #25. The Earthforce version obviously had a different result. Rhythms of Darkness! was #67. Again, we already know the Earthforce version of the Unicron battle, while impending and ultimately unseen, can't possibly have gone as it did in US #75, so why should the Galvatron pulled from yet a different timeline have acted in exactly the same way (and this is basically what the existing note on [[Galvatron II#Earthforce]] says!)
::That's the whole nature of splinter timelines - things went differently. You might as well ask how the (unnamed) [[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]] was blown up in orbit by Galvatron I in [[Target: 2006]] (UK), yet have been parked under the sea for four million years in the later US stories like [[Surrender!]]. The trick is to identify the point at which things START going differently for our purposes - i.e., the last US issue that could possibly have occurred in the Earthforce (post-Time Wars UK) timeline. After that, both timelines build to "Unicron is coming", but in very different ways (he apparently takes longer to get there in Earthforce, giving time for the Autobots to rebuild troops without resorting to nucleon and search for other stuff to stop him, like investigating the Underbase's original site) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:42, 9 April 2013 (EDT)
:::Earthforce would have to begin even later than US#61 since "[[Whose Lifeforce Is It Anyway?]]" and "[[The Greatest Gift of All!]]" both tie into the Matrix Quest. And there's still some other quibbles to think about. Consider this. Galvatron II was plucked from his timeline in US#67, and not given his orders until US#69. From here, in order for him to appear in Earthforce, we're to imagine that he ignored his orders and went to the Ark instead (like the page note you mentioned says). This would suggest US#69 as the cut off between the US timeline and the Earthforce timeline, right? However, US#69 is the issue that reveals Megatron as having merged with Ratchet, which conflicts with his appearance in Earthforce. I get what you're saying about Megatron winding up on Earth instead of being merged to Ratchet in unspace, but by the time Galvatron would get to go to the Ark, Megatron's a merged monster plucked from unspace. And the Ark is empty when Galvatron arrives, yet US#69 ends in a cliffhanger that last showed the Ark to be fully occupied by a whole host of Autobots. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:34, 10 April 2013 (EDT)

::::Right, so we've nailed the divergence point to "during the Matrix Quest" then. The Autobots start looking for the Matrix in both timelines, but things go differently from thereon in (call it "shortly after #61" for simplicity, or take it right up to the Matrix running away with the shattered Thunderwing). But #67-onward absolutely '''cannot''' happen the same way in the 120185/Earthforce timeline, since Galvatron II gets his Marvel US orders in a timeframe which has already become irreconcilable for the reasons you give. Thus the events of Galvatron being yanked into the past and what happens thereafter must, to greater or lesser extents, happen differently since Megatron didn't end up merged to Ratchet in unspace and the Ark wasn't full of Autobots.
::::Thing is, we're tramping old ground here. We already KNOW Earthforce isn't the same timeline as Marvel US. That's accepted fact. This is about how to represent that fact. And I'm getting a tad confused about what you're trying to say - my point is that:
::::#No continuation of Marvel Transformers uses Marvel UK continuity, and at least two explicitly reject it.
::::#Of those that don't explicitly reject it:
::::#*"[[Another Time & Place]]", which you contended on [[Generation 1 continuity family]] should be filed under Earth-120185, cannot occur following Earthforce, due to the effects of nucleon in it per the revivals in Marvel US #70, when those characters were revived through other means in Earthforce.
::::#*Marvel G2 doesn't mention it in any way. Then again, it barely touches on anything from the latter part of Marvel US either, and reverses (or contradicts) a whole bunch of things from the last ten issues or so.
::::#*Fleetway G2 does not add any references to Marvel UK. It merely doesn't mention G.I. Joe quite so much.
::::Thus, with at least two follow-ons which reject Marvel UK and none that pick up on it, it would be simpler all round and at least as accurate (I think more so) to regard anything which picks up from US #80 as not including backstory from the UK issues and edit this page, Earth-120185, [[Earthforce]] and {{tl|Earthforcefiction}} accordingly. You seem to be primarily arguing that Earthforce doesn't fit Marvel US, which no-one's arguing. Why can't this be the correct state of affairs. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 14:42, 10 April 2013 (EDT)
::::Does this help?
<gallery>
File:Marvelcomicscontinuity.jpg|Walky's old chart
File:MarvelComicsContinuity.png|Chart I just put together
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Thing is, without the UK reprints of US#67-69, we get no explanation for where Galvatron came from. Otherwise, we're forced to assume and/or make up things that weren't in the comics in order for Earthforce to work. He would have had to have come from ''somewhere'' what with Marvel UK'streatment of Galvatrons as either having traveled back in time from the future (as Galvatron I had done, who got destroyed in "Time Wars") or as having never left the future (as "Aspects of Evil" Galvatron had done). Earthforce Galvatron, however, is just therr with no explanation, with Simon Furman's word of him being ''the'' Galvatron II being our only "official" clue as to his origin, thus necessitating US#67-69 to have occurred for him to have appeared in Earthforce. Otherwise, his arrival is a nonsensical blank slate that, without an answer, contradicts the very nature of Galvatron in Marvel UK. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 19:14, 10 April 2013 (EDT)
:I'm increasingly confused as to what you're trying to argue, because you're contradicting yourself - you're saying both that #67-69 are essential and impossible simultaneously (I lean strongly to the latter). If you're utterly determined, you can count RoD as being identical to the timeline UK Galvatron II was plucked from, but then still have to "assume" his arrival went differently, since it must have - for the same reason that Megatron can't possibly have ended up merged with Ratchet in unspace before being revived with nucleon, only still permanently linked with Ratchet. Because we have evidence to the contrary, and the established fact that Earthforce does not follow the US build to Unicron's arrival at Cybertron.
:Fact is, we ultimately don't need to assert anything. He's Galvatron II because he's the second Galvatron (after the old comic convention of disambiguating multiple characters with the same codename with Roman numerals, taken from monarchial conventions), which is why Furman dubbed him so. No page actually asserts where he came from, except as a note. And this whole bit is a great whopping tangent from the original question I asked! - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 20:43, 10 April 2013 (EDT)
::Sorry, I meant that 67-69 are essential for Galvatron II's appearance to make sense (since after he agrees to play Unicron's game [with ''his'' rules], he would instead go to the Ark instead of Cybertron), but impossible for Megatron to not be merged to Ratchet and for the Ark to be abandoned. Without 67-69, Galvatron II has no explanation for his being there at all, since Galvatrons of any kind simply don't exist in the present day era of Marvel UK and because Furman explicitly identified him as "the alternate-reality Galvatron from US #67,". Without an explanation, we're left to assume/make up things that the comic doesn't touch upon, which steps out of canon and into fanon. So, we ''need'' 67-69 for Galvatron's sake. However, including 67-69 also creates contradictions for other things like Megatron and the empty Ark. Without 67-69, these other contradictions can be better fixed, but then it leaves Galvatron unexplained and in conflict with both how Marvel UK treated Galvatron and with his being called the guy from US#67. It's simply a lose-lose situation trying to make Earthforce fit in any manner (be it ''with'' the US timeline or ''overriding'' it like your suggesting) without making leaps of logic or reaching assumptions that go against canon. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 22:43, 10 April 2013 (EDT)
:Hey, nice illustration. If you would allow me to nitpick, since "Earth-91274" is the Marvel-centric designation for that universe it also includes the G.I. Joe comic, which includes the G2 crossover issues (138–142), which technically probably drags in the G2 Transformers issues into "Earth-91274." <tongue only partially in cheek>You can't just skip issue 43! Maybe it was a future that was overwritten somehow like the original UK future timeline, but the issue was presented as having really happened.</tongue only partially in cheek> - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:48, 10 April 2013 (EDT)

The end of the UK Marvel comic (Earthforce) can't overwrite the end of the UK Marvel comic (US reprints). The US reprints are a part of the UK comic continuity, and always have been, and no amount of extra timeline splinters we've gotten since then can overrule that. Earthforce is a sidestory that contradicts other material published in the very same book, no more, no less. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:18, 11 April 2013 (EDT)
:Okay, why am I being offered yet another explanation of what Earthforce is? '''I KNOW WHAT EARTHFORCE IS!''' Nor at any point did I suggest anything "overwrote" anything else or anything of the sort. (This is also why I avoided saying "Marvel US continuity", since that's also "Marvel UK continuity A")
:Okay, one more analogy, using trains for the metaphor. This is what I'm suggesting:
:#Short route, heading to stop number 332, avoiding a group of stations including "Target 2006", "Two Megatrons" and "Time Wars". Change at 332 for stations including "Another Time & Place" and "Regeneration One".
:#Long route, calling all stations including the aforementioned "Target 2006", "Two Megatrons" and "Time Wars" until "Matrix Quest" (or thereabouts), thereafter turning left toward stop 289 instead. No further stops on the main line (i.e., no continuations).
:Basically, I'm suggesting that Marvel UK published two basic continuities, one of which includes ALL the present-day Marvel UK original material, from "Man of Iron" to "Target 2006" to "Time Wars" to UK "End of the Road" as well as all the reprinted US material '''not irreconcilable with it''' (i.e., not the things contradicted by such matters as Skids' being stuck in Limbo for years, the fate of the Nemesis, Bumblebee's rebuilding as Goldbug and, yes, that damned Earthforce). The other includes ''only'' the reprinted material. Right now, we don't have a coherent treatment. I'm suggesting this is a damn sight more coherent than the way pages like "[[Wolf in the Fold!]]" are treated right now. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 03:17, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

I am really not following this argument at all, save to say that I don't understand why hoops are being jumped through to present UK annual story "Another Time and Place" and the UK version of G2 as splinters from the US continuity, and not the '''UK''' one. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:00, 11 April 2013 (EDT)
:Because he's trying to show us how Earthforce can (and in his opinion, ought to be) the "true" path for the UK comic timeline to take instead of the path of the reprinted US comics that Earthforce contradicts, which ''I'm'' trying to say is an unfeasible task. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 15:16, 11 April 2013 (EDT)
::Sanity seems to be after a "coherent treatment," which is impossible without making stuff up. Earthforce is a continuity clusterfuck. Anything else is a lie. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:02, 11 April 2013 (EDT)
:::Also, the fate of [[Generation 1 continuity family|this page]] rests in the hands of this discussion. Until a final "yes" or "no" to Sanity's suggestion is decided, I"m going to edit that page to better reflect the current "no" status that the Wiki has defaulted to 'til now. Should a "yes" be decided on, I'll switch some of the edits back to closer resemble how Sanity had that page set up before. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:32, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

::<nowiki>*sigh*</nowiki>. Well, I tried. At least there's some (limited) recognition of what I intended now... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:17, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

==Toys==
Would the Galvatron II toys belong here, the ones that explicitly identify being Galvatron II, and thus the Rhythms version? —[[User:MissDaria|MissDaria]] ([[User talk:MissDaria|talk]]) 21:35, 18 April 2025 (EDT)

Swoop (G1)

2025-02-21T01:19:51Z

MissDaria:

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:''Swoop is an [[Autobot]] [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:TVMagSwoop.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Him Swoop have legs that go for miiiles."<ref>This is now his official motto, thanks to [[The Loyal Subjects]]. [[:File:HimSwoopHaveLegsThatGoForMiles.jpg|No, really.]]</ref>]]

'''Swoop''' (aka '''Divebomb''',<ref name="divebomb">"Divebomb" was a preliminary name for the original ''Generation 1'' Swoop toy. This was revealed by [[Jim Sorenson]], who [http://web.archive.org/web/20071230210811/http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=41003 posted details] from a version of the [[production bible|series bible]] for the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original ''The Transformers'' cartoon]], dated 1984, that contains a description of Swoop typed with the name "Divebomb", then crossed out by hand and rewritten "Swoop". When the name "Divebomb" was eventually used for a [[Divebomb (G1)|member of the Predacons]] two years later, [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] UK writer [[Simon Furman]] worked that little tidbit into the characters' backstories by establishing that "Divebomb" ''had'' indeed been Swoop's original name in-universe before it was stolen by the Predacon, first alluded to in the 1986 story [[The Icarus Theory]] and later elaborated upon in the [[Transformers Annual 1987|1987 Annual]] story [[What's in a Name?]]. That connection was later homaged by the [[Divebomb (Prime)|''Transformers: Prime'' Divebomb]] toy, which uses Swoop's color scheme.</ref> '''Strafe''',<ref name="strafe">"Strafe" was originally a substitute name for a [[Strafe (AOE)|similar character]] from the ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (franchise)|Transformers: Age of Extinction]]'' franchise because the name "Swoop" was not available as a trademark to Hasbro at the time. Thanks to a [[Toys"R"Us]] exclusive "Evolution" two-pack from 2014, it was also applied to the original ''Generation 1'' character… although thanks to a hilarious error, the artwork representing the ''Generation 1'' character depicted the ''[[Technobot (G1)|Technobot]]'' [[Strafe (G1)|Strafe]] instead. Hasbro later explicitly admitted that this was indeed an error, thereby dispelling any further confusion. Other "Strafe" toys included a 2014 [[Hasbro Toy Shop]]/[[San Diego Comic-Con]] exclusive 4-pack of ''Generation 1''-themed redecos of the ''Age of Extinction'' Dinobots, a 2014 Legion Class figure, a 2014 [[Hero Mashers]] 2-pack with Bumblebee, and a 2015 [[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]] Dinobot 5-pack. The name "Strafe" was also used for the character in the 2014 mobile game ''[[Transformers Rising]]'' and the 2016 mobile game ''[[Transformers: Earth Wars]]''.</ref> or '''Ptero'''<ref name="ptero">"Autobot Ptero" was Hasbro's substitute name for the 2016 ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' [[Titan Master]] toy of the character, because the name "Swoop" was still not available to them at the time.</ref>) is the friendliest and most outgoing of the Dinobots. He's surprisingly good natured, kind, and upbeat. Few of his comrades realize this however, as his team's reputation and his alt-form, considered (for some reason) particularly "horrifying" to Transformer aesthetics, makes others wary of getting close enough to learn about the bot himself. Swoop is an excellent aerial combatant and bombardier, and has become skilled at using the fear his alt mode creates in battle. He considers it his greatest weapon. Like all the Dinobots, Swoop tends to be arrogant, disobedient, and generally disagreeing with [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s leadership style. He's also a bit of a show-off.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Michael Bell]] (English), [[Yoku Shioya]] (Japanese)|[[Yao Huang]] (Chinese), [[Roberto Alexander]] (Latin American), [[Thomas Rau]] (German, ''Call of the Primitives''), [[Ulrich Frank]] (German, The Movie TV Dub), [[Gerd Wiedenhofen]] (German, Generation 2 Dub of ''Dinobot Island, Part 1''), [[Claus Brockmeyer]] (German, Generation 2 Dub of ''Dinobot Island, Part 2'' & ''War of the Dinobots''), [[Dick Eriksson]] (Swedish, ''Generation 2''), [[Georges Atlas]] (European French), [[Henry Djanik]] (European French, ''Desertion of the Dinobots'' episodes), [[Marcos Miranda]] (Portuguese), [[Hélio Ribeiro]] (Portuguese, "Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1 & 2"), [[Márcio Simões]] (Portuguese, "The Movie" VHS dub), [[Ricardo Sawaya]] (Portuguese, "The Movie" Fox Kids dub)}}
[[File:WaroftheDinos construction.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Maybe next time Wheeljack start with Swoop's brain first instead of feet!]]
Pleased with the overall success of the original three Dinobots, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] commissioned the construction of two additional members: [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] and Swoop. The new duo made their combat debut against [[Ironhide (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ironhide]], [[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]], [[Sideswipe (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Sideswipe]], and [[Prowl (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Prowl]] in a field test which the robotic dinosaurs passed with flying colors. Snarl and Swoop did battle with the original Dinobots (who were fooled by [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] to go rogue), but were only strong enough to force them into a stalemate. The original Dinobots chose to return to the Autobots after their leader, Grimlock, was saved from the exploding meteorite through a selfless act of heroism from Optimus Prime. {{storylink|War of the Dinobots}}

Swoop later assisted his fellow Dinobots in limiting the amount of damage done by an incoming tidal wave by transporting logs to Snarl, who planted them into the ground to serve as an additional barrier against the raging wave. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 2}}

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Swoop was rarely seen apart from the other Dinobots. Together, they fought the likes of [[Devastator (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Devastator]], {{storylink|Heavy Metal War}} the [[Sub-Atlantica]]n King [[Nergill]], {{storylink|Atlantis, Arise!}} and moved to a [[Dinobot Island (G1)|bizarre island]] to hone their skills. {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 1}} {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 2}}

Some time after that, the Dinobots chose to desert the Autobots during their time of need (the Autobots were dying from lack of [[Cybertonium]]) and go to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]], [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Spike]], and [[Carly]] sought out the Dinobots to convince them to help, but Grimlock, angered that they had been followed, decided to crush them. Swoop, however, saved them, wanting to hear the "brilliant part" from the humans. Grimlock was convinced to go, but instead led the Dinobots to Cybertron itself. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1}}

[[File:DesertionDinobots2 Swoop humans.JPG|left|thumb|upright=1.4|One can only imagine how embarrassed Spike and Carly were to have Swoop chaperone them at the school dance.]]
All the Dinobots were captured by [[Shockwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Shockwave]], reprogrammed and forced to work in the cybertonium mines at the planet's [[organic core]]. All, that is, except for Swoop. Swoop soon encountered Spike and Carly, the Autobots' human allies, deep within the bowels of the planet. The three teamed up and, after learning a brief history of the Transformer race, freed the Dinobots and returned to [[Earth]] with a shipment of Cybertonium. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 2}}

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In [[2005]], Swoop and the other Dinobots fought Devastator during the battle of [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]. They didn't fare too well. They later evacuated the city (reluctantly) when [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] attacked. Swoop and the Dinobots became briefly stranded on [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]] along with [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] and [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] when their ship was shot down. With help from [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]], the Dinobots found their friends, with Swoop using [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]] as bombs. The Autobots escaped Quintessa and rescued the remaining Autobots on the [[Junkion (planet)|Planet of Junk]] from a horde of confused [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]]. Later, Swoop did one of his greatest life accomplishments when he bombed the butt of [[Unicron/Generation 1|a god]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}
{{note|Swoop’s involvement in these events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the comic mini-series "[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]]" and the storybook "[[Transformers the Movie (Ladybird adaptation)|Transformers the Movie]]."}}

In the year [[2006]], Swoop and other Autobots with "[[dinosaur transform static]]" were brought before a jury consisting of [[Slammer]], [[Six-Gun]], [[Scamper]], and [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], who tried to determine if any of them were involved in a recent rash of monument thefts. It turned out they were innocent. {{storylink|Thief in the Night}} Swoop and the Dinobots were also summoned by [[Oracle (G1)|Primacron's Assistant]] to do battle with [[Tornedron]], a creation of the villainous [[Primacron]]. Swoop failed to defeat the energy monster, but Grimlock managed to save the day just in the nick of time. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}
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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
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=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
Alongside Grimlock and Snarl, Swoop was sent out to defend [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] from a major Decepticon assault. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}}

=====''Legacy VS500 Collection Special Comic''=====
Swoop was a spectator for the second week of the [[Speedia 500]] on [[Velocitron]]. {{storylink|Velocitron Speedia 500 Part 3}}

=====''Generations Selects Special Comic''=====
In the year 2050, Swoop and the Dinobots resided on Dinobot Island with their new members [[Slash (POTP)|Slash]] and [[Kakuryu (G1)|Grimmaster]]. [[Carly]] called and warned the Dinobots another time portal was opening on the island, and the Dinobots found [[Quintesson]]s on their land. The Dinobots ripped apart the Quintessons, but the evil merchants used the [[Recreator]] to bring back the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacon]]s, who attacked as [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]]. Grimmaster was injured opposing Predaking, but he passed on his [[Energon Matrix]] so the Dinobots could create their own combiner, forming [[Volcanicus (POTP)|Volcanicus]]. Predaking was defeated, but the Dinobots learned that the human-forged robots called [[Selector]]s were rebelling at [[Neo Scramble City]], and Carly had been hurt in the riots. {{storylink|Volcanicus comic 1}}

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The Dinobots found the Autobots and Decepticons of the [[Cybertron Alliance]] now supported the Selectors' bid for freedom. Swoop agreed with Grimlock that the Dinobots would continue to support Carly and the humans against all other Transformers. Swoop was merciless in the battle that followed—first he blew the [[Rainmaker]]s' acid rain back in their faces, then grabbed their guns in midair and landed on [[Jetfire (G1)|Skyfire]] to blast him at point blank range. However, Swoop and the other Dinobots were all taken out by [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] while Grimlock was busy with Optimus Prime. They recovered and reformed Volcanicus as the Quintessons got involved, dropping gas bombs on the battlefield. {{storylink|Volcanicus comic 2}}

The madness of the Quintessons united everyone against them and their creations, as the planet's [[Angolmois Energy]] began to go mad. The Dinobots were summoned back in time by the [[Primus|Oracle]], arriving on the [[Blue Planet (GS)|Blue Planet]] of the [[Precursor World]]. {{storylink|God Neptune comic 2}} There were many parties in play on the Precursor World, and it was all really complicated, so Grimlock focused the Dinobots on what he understood. Their old enemy [[Primacron]] was there, so Dinobots smash Primacron! {{storylink|Generations Selects Special Comic Finale Prelude|Finale Prelude}}

====Rodimus vs. Cyclonus====
After blasting off of Quintessa aboard one of its ships, Swoop and the other Dinobots huddled around Kup near the vessel's control panel. {{storylink|Rodimus vs. Cyclonus}}
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====''Wings Universe''====
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Together with [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] and [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]], the Dinobots were on board a shuttle fleeing from [[Cyclonus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cyclonus]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and the [[Sweep (G1)|Sweeps]], though they were more concerned about hearing one of Kup's war stories than being under attack. When they found temporary safety inside a nebula, Kup relented and told them about the time he was in the [[Elite Guard]] and fought on [[Beta-Nine]]. Eventually the Decepticons found them, but Swoop and the other Dinobots were so angry about the interruption that they made short work of the attackers. {{storylink|Wings of Honor}}

====Ask Vector Prime====
In a universe where the Transformers and [[GoBot]]s co-existed, Swoop and the Dinobots fled [[Guardian (GoBots)|Guardian]] City aboard a [[Command Center (GoBots)|Command Center]] after Galvatron and his Renegade/Decepticon alliance attacked. Kup entertained the Dinobots with a few tall tales as they headed to Cybertron, but Galvatron attacked their ship, stranding them on [[Antares 3|Antares III]].

Grimlock dispatched Swoop to scout out the region, but the Dinobot was unable to find Kup and Hot Rod. Shortly afterwards, the Dinobots encountered the RoGuns, who had also been stranded on Antares III. After a misunderstanding, they formed an alliance and barged into the court of the [[Master Renegade]], just in time to save Kup and Hot Rod from execution. After stealing the Master Renegade's ship and dubbing it "''Grungy''", the group headed to [[Quartex (planet)|Quartex]]. Kup met up with [[Rock Lord#Boulder|Boulder]] and his heroic [[Rock Lord]]s, and together the alliance rescued [[Guardian (GoBots)#Major Mo|Major Mo]]'s group of Autobots and Guardians from [[Rock Lord#Magmar|Magmar]]'s evil Rock Lords.

The Autobots, Guardians, Rock Lords, and RoGuns returned to Cybertron aboard the ''Grungy'' and a Rock Lord vessel, where they battled Unicron. Before they were finished their fight, [[Vector Prime]] managed to disentangle the two universes, setting history back on its proper course. {{storylink|Echoes and Fragments}}

====''Deviations''====
In a timeline where Optimus Prime killed Megatron during their Autobot City duel, Swoop was on Optimus Prime's shuttle when the Autobots set off to reclaim Cybertron from the leaderless Decepticons. They were attacked en route by "Megascream": a reformatted Starscream now in the thrall of Unicron. They managed to escape after Megascream and his troops retreated, touching down on Quintessa to repair the damage.

On the watery surface of the planet, the Autobots encountered a group of Sharkticons. Kup's universal greeting ended poorly, so Optimus dispatched the Dinobots to take care of the threat. Optimus, Kup, and the Dinobots stormed into a Quintesson courtroom, where they rescued Kranix and learned more about the threat of Unicron. When repairs on the ship had completed, the team picked up Hot Rod from Junkion and returned to Cybertron, where Optimus announced his intent to confront Unicron head-on. {{storylink|Transformers: Deviations|Deviations}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
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On [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], [[Swoop (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Divebomb]] was a member of the [[Elite Flying Corps]] who had a strained relationship at best with his commanding officer [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] and a deadly rivalry with [[Divebomb (G1)|a Decepticon]] who went on to take his name. Afterwards, he fell in with [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]]'s squad before becoming part of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'s crew and after crashing on [[Earth]], the [[Aunty|Ark's computer]] revived Grimlock's squad to battle [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]], giving them [[Alternate mode|alt-mode]]s based upon the [[Savage Land]]'s [[Dinosaur (dinosaur)|dinosaurs]]. Though [[Swoop (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Swoop]] and the Dinobots defeated Shockwave they were also trapped, spending the next four million years in a tar pit until they were recovered by [[Ratchet (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ratchet]] in [[1984]].

Swoop then had a run of bad luck, first being deactivated by a bomb carried by [[Guardian (Marvel)|Guardian]] and then being recovered by [[Peter Anthony Morris|Professor Morris]] and [[Neural relay link|used as a weapon]] to attack his fellow Autobots. He managed briefly to recover his mind before his primary [[cybo-dendron]]s burned out, rendering him little more than a violent beast and leaving him in a coma-like state. Upon recovering the Dinobots struck out on their own, battling [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] and the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] and befriending Morris's new mechanoid [[Centurion (Marvel)|Centurion]] before Centurion was destroyed by [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], an insane [[time travel]]ling Decepticon, and they once again had to fight for their lives. The Dinobots returned to the Ark after Optimus Prime's death and after they defeated [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] the Autobots elected Grimlock as their new leader. Swoop's life got a bit better after that until he discovered his old rival [[Divebomb (G1)|Divebomb]] was also on Earth and he almost got killed by Divebomb's new buddies, the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]]. Swoop was taken out of action shortly afterwards by the [[Underbase]]-powered [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] and kept on life support until Grimlock travelled to [[Hydrus Four]] and revived the Dinobots with [[Nucleon (substance)|Nucleon]].

Swoop and the others took control of the deserted Ark and used the super-fuel to revive the rest of the fallen Autobots before taking the fight to [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. After the battle, Optimus Prime died and Grimlock became leader again before Cybertron started shaking itself apart and the Autobots were forced to flee, pursuing [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s Decepticons to [[Klo]] where they were ambushed and Swoop was killed. He was later resurrected by the [[Last Autobot]].

In one timeline Swoop went on to have [[April Fools' Day]] fun in Grimlock's [[Earthforce]]; in others he fought [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]'s [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]] and the [[Swarm (G2)|Swarm]], became a [[Mini-Con]], or forged an alliance with Cybertron's [[Demon]]s and fought the [[Dark Matrix]]'s [[shadow-leech]]es before ultimately growing old and dying.
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===Kid Stuff Talking Story Books===
Swoop and the other Dinobots live in an underground jungle environment, hidden beneath the Antarctic ice cap. Swoop was travelling to the Autobots’ headquarters when he and the Dinobots were attacked by Starscream and the Decepticon superjets. The Dinobots managed to fend off the Decepticons, and continued to Autobot headquarters.

Back at the Dinobots’ base, another Swoop, immersed in his tar cocoon, awaited activation to join the Autobot ranks. When the [[Crusher (G1)|Crusher]], a Decepticon juggernaut, forced its way into the Dinobots’ headquarters, the vibrations it produced inadvertently freed the cocooned Dinobots, who charged at Megatron and Soundwave to fend them off. {{storylink|Jaws of Terror}}

Optimus had requested Swoop and the rest of the Dinobots’ assistance when he and Prowl investigated Decepticon activity on the island of [[Buru]]. Upon their arrival, the Dinobots quickly began overpowering the Insecticons on the island. {{storylink|Slaves of the Insecticons}}
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===Sticker Adventures books===
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===Marvel Storybooks continuity===
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When the Autobots were confronted with the Decepticons' newest super-warrior, The Devastator, Swoop and the rest of the Dinobots arrived on-scene to counteract the new menace. Though the Decepticons mocked the Dinobots' slow pace at first, their laughter was cut short by Swoop flying down and bombarding The Devastator at close range, killing both Hook and Scrapper while they were still combined. Swoop then transformed and used his sword to slice through both of The Devastator's legs, in turn killing Mixmaster and Scavenger. With most of the Constructicons slaughtered, The Dinobots pounced on their carcasses, ripping them into pieces of scrap metal for good measure. {{storylink|Battle for Earth}}

Swoop was present when [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] conveyed a message from Megatron to Autobot headquarters, informing them that not only had they captured [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] with the mighty gestalt [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], but that a rescue party of Autobots that had attempted to rescue the prisoner was now also being held hostage. As the rescue party had included fellow Dinobots Slag and Sludge, Swoop was perticularly shaken by this development, and was ready to surrender to the Decepticons. Thankfully, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus]] returned morale to the Autobot ranks by devising a clever plan to trick the Decepticons. Swoop was amongst several Autobots that hid themselves within a statue of Devastator, which was wheeled before Decepticon headquarters, and left as a peace offering. When the Decepticons let down their guard, Swoop and the others burst forth from within the statue, and ambushed their enemies. Swoop played a prominent role in the battle that followed, blasting away at the earth-bound Decepticons as they impotently attempted to shoot him down. Eventually, the Autobots emerged victorious from the battle, with Swoop being one of the few robots emerging unscathed from the conflict. {{storylink|The Autobots' Secret Weapon}}
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===Marvel coloring books===
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When Optimus learned from Cosmos that the Decepticons were razing a human village to build a fuel plant in its place, he had the Dinobots hide within his trailer and inside his other troops' vehicle modes, in order to sneak up on the enemy. Once they were in close enough proximity to [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and his minions, the Dinobots were released and the other Autobots transformed to battle the Decepticons. Swoop went after Laserbeak, frightening the cowardly bird away from the town. {{storylink|The Autobot Spy in the Sky}}

Swoop and the rest of the Dinobots gathered around Grimlock as Hot Rod explained to them that he was being chased by a squad of Decepticons. Hot Rod then took off towards Autobot City to warn Ultra Magnus while the Dinobots headed to confront the Decepticons. Swoop was taken by surprise by Dirge and took the first hit of the battle, but shrugged it off and retaliated in kind. He managed to take a few more hits, until finally being taken out of the fight when Galvatron injured his wing. The Autobots nevertheless managed to defeat the Decepticons, and they were cheered on by nearby humans as they headed back to Autobot City. {{storylink|Battle at Oil Valley}}

Swoop joined Bumblebee and Wreck-Gar on a mission to capture [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]], who had injected [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] with a [[cerebro-shell]]. They trapped Bombshell in a [[giant super-strong trash bag]] and Swoop held the other Decepticons at bay with his rockets. Swoop then blew a hole in the side of a cliff for the Autobots to escape through. {{storylink|The Invasion of the Decepticon Camp}}

Swoop took part in a battle over energon cubes at [[Mount St. Hilary]] which ended when [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] scarfed all the energon. {{storylink|The Lost Treasure of Cybertron}}

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===Big Looker storybooks===
[[File:Swoop Decepticon Hijack.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|left|Like some vast predatory... um... cardinal?]]
During an incomprehensibly heavy-handed Decepticon plot to steal a single fuel tanker, the Autobots - also oddly determined to protect this single tanker - found themselves outnumbered and outgunned. Swoop, still recovering from a previous battle, arrived to assist, and was fired on by Megatron. This so enraged the mild-mannered Autobot that he dropped an air-to-air missile launcher (?) with the power of 5000 pounds of TNT. Swoop comes across as uncharacteristically modest, and grateful just to be able to help Prime and pals. Also, Swoop has hair. {{storylink|Decepticon Hijack}}

Swoop and the rest of the Dinobots accompanied Hot Rod, Kup and Arcee on a space-faring mission. Swoop helped load the ship's cargo. The ship wound up malfunctioning, and they crash-landed on the planet Quintesson. There, they encountered Wheelie, who warned them about the planet's evil inhabitants.They soon encountered a few Quintessons leading their Sharkticon soldiers to apprehend them. Swoop fired a couple of missiles to fend off the enemy robots. After the Quintessons had been defeated, the Autobots left the planet in the ship that had once been piloted by Wheelie's parents. {{storylink|The Story of Wheelie, the Wild Boy of Quintesson}}
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===Dinobot War===
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Swoop, along with the rest of the Dinobots, were present during Earth's distant past, when [[you]], Ravage and Laserbeak travelled through time. The Dinobots quickly learned about the Decepticons' plan to attack the Autobots still slumbering in stasis aboard the crashed Ark, and set out to oppose them. Whether or not they succeeded was up to you!{{storylink|Dinobot War}}
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===''Find Your Fate Junior''===
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====Dinobots Strike Back====
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As the Dinobots slacked off from lookout duty in [[Hidden Valley]], only Swoop saw an incoming [[Mortar cannon|mortar]] in time to dodge, escaping with an injured wing while the other four were knocked out. He watched in horror as [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] planted [[cerebro-shell]]s on his teammates, unsure if he should fight the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]] or return to the Ark for help.
{{note|The preceding actions come before the first choice, and therefore hold true for every path in the book}}
If he confronted Bombshell, the beetle responded by hovering over the other Dinobots, forcing Swoop to move higher or lower for a clean shot. If he flew in lower and fired a missile, he hit Bombshell, then threatened him until he removed his shells in two different paths; the only difference was that if he fired from above [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]], then [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] accidentally conked him on the head, leaving Swoop with no memory of Bombshell, and [[you]] being the only one who knows what happened. If he fired from above [[Slag (G1)|Slag]], he remembered enough to tell his buddies that they felt odd because they had a bug in their circuits.

If Swoop tried to lure Bombshell higher, the Insecticon instead just ordered the Dinobots to go attack the Ark. Their stampede raised a dust cloud that gave Bombshell the cover he needed to sneak up and inject Swoop with a poison that shrank to the size of a hummingbird. After evading a lizard, Swoop tailed his teammates until the poison wore off and he grew back to normal size.
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When Swoop told Optimus Prime what happened, there were several options for a plan of attack. If Optimus chose an immediate assault, the Autobots made no progress until Swoop missiled the ground near Slag, knocking him over hard enough to dislodge his cerebro-shell. This gave Prime the strategy he needed to free the other Dinobots.

An alternate path led to the four Dinobots pretending to still be under the shells' control to infiltrate the Decepticons' [[Mount Lomas]] base, a plan Swoop had to first relay to Sludge in [[Dolphin's Bay]]. Swoop later flew a loop over their mountaintop victory party, signalling the others to break cover and attack, then shot down the fleeing [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] for good measure. {{storylink|Dinobots Strike Back}}

====Battle Drive====
When Bumblebee failed to report back from his scouting mission in a timely fashion, Optimus became worried about the little Autobot and sent out Swoop along with Prowl and Hound to check up on him. After Bumblebee informed the group that the Decepticons were planning to detroy farmland in order to starve humanity into submission, the group had to make a decision on their next course of action.
If they decided to try and head back to Autobot headquarters immediately, they would get caught in a sudden storm. The flooded roads stopped the earthbound Autobots from progressing, while the violent winds prevented Swoop from heading back to base as well.

If they decided to take on the Decepticons by themselves, the group encountered Buster Witwicky on the road. Informing the Autobots that Sparkplug was on the run from the Decepticons after having discovered a fatal flaw in their circuitry, the group were faced with another decision to make.

If the Autobots decided to continue on with their mission of stopping the Decepticons from destroying farmland, Swoop and the rest of the group are ambushed by the Decepticons and promptly destroyed.

If however, the Autobots decide to go after Buster's father, Swoop elects to carry Buster in his [[beast mode]], and the group head into the hills, where Sparkplug was headed to hide. From this vantage point, Buster is the first to spot the Decepticons surrounding a cave wherein Sparkplug is holed up. Swoop dives down and lets Buster off his back before being ordered by Prowl to fly ahead and distract the Decepticons while the slower Autobots move in to secure Sparkplug. Swoop flew towards Megatron, Laserbeak, Blitzwing, Starscream, Bombshell and at least half-a-dozen other Decepticons. Focused on the cave's opening, the Decepticons did not notice Swoop approaching. Using the element of surprise, Swoop took out Starscream first with his air-to-air missiles. The Decepticons retaliate, and Swoop is faced with a new decision.

If Swoop elected to stay and fight the Decepticons, he manages to take out Megatron with a lucky shot into the tyrant's fusion cannon, causing it to backfire and obliterate the Decepticon leader. Without their leader, the Decepticons fell into disarray and were easily picked off by the Autobot reinforcements that arrived soon afterwards.

If Swoop decided to fly off to the Autobots' headquarters, a substantial amount of Decepticons tail him, leading to Swoop needing a few days to return with reinforcements. {{storylink|Battle Drive}}
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====Autobot Alert!====
Swoop was in Metroplex city when an Autobot Alert sounded.

In one possible scenario, Swoop was selected alongside Mirage, Jazz, Powerglide and Prowl, to join Ultra Magnus on an orbital mission to both rescue Cosmos and halt a Decepticon plot to take over Earth's broadcast satellites. After donning special space gear for solar protection, the team took off and headed towards Cosmos's last coordinates.Though they soon found Cosmos, so did they spot Galvatron's ship, Cyclonus, looming nearby. After they had retrieved Cosmos, Ultra Magnus called out to his troops to return to the shuttle's control deck. Ultra Magnus ordered his troops to train all of their weapons on Cyclonus for a full-frontal assault. Swoop was pulled aside by Powerglide who questioned to wisdom of Ultra Magnus's plan, and suggested that he and Swoop instead attempt a sneak attack on the Decepticons.

If the Autobots went along with Ultra Magnus's plan, Swoop and the rest of the Autobots were horrorstruck when Galvatron himself emerged from Cyclonus, followed by an army of multiwing jet fighters. Swoop and the others were left drifting helplessly into space as the Decepticons tore their shuttle apart.

If Swoop and Powerglide went ahead with their own plan, Swoop is put in charge of using his superior fire power to disable Cyclonus while Powerglide distracts him. Sneaking up on Cyclonus, Swoop successfully destroyed the Decepticons’ transmit ion apparatus, foiling the Decepticons’ plans. {{storylink|Autobot Alert!}}
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===3H comics===
[[File:Sandstormwindrazor.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.4|Check out that winged silhouette in the middle.]]
In a distant future of the [[Beast Era]], the dark warlord known as [[Shokaract]] had conquered Cybertron and much of the galaxy. Only a handful of Maximals and Predacons survived to oppose him, under the command of the Predacon [[Sandstorm (BW)|Sandstorm]]. Among them was an ancient warrior known simply as the Veteran. Reflecting on his long history and all his many departed comrades, the Veteran began to wonder if he had survived so long as to become a ''figurative'' dinosaur.

The Veteran's finely honed skills and instincts allowed him to survive an assassination attempt by the [[Cub]], one of Shokaract's servants. Returning in defeat, the Cub was severely wounded as punishment for his failure and left to die in the wilds of Cybertron. Before he could perish, however, Sandstorm's band of rebels recovered him. In an attempt to learn more about Shokaract's plans, the Veteran merged his Spark with that of the Cub, and thus was born the dual-sparked [[Windrazor (BW)|Windrazor]]. {{storylink|Schism (story)|Schism}}

Though Windrazor was essentially a new being, within him the Sparks of the Veteran and the Cub continued to grapple for control and dominance of their joined form. {{storylink|Paradox}}
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:Lightningstrikecoalition.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|Swoop Is Red?]]
Swoop was an Autobot once named Divebomb, though the circumstances surrounding his name change are unspecified. When Optimus Prime and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] disappeared into an unstable space bridge prototype, Swoop joined Grimlock's [[Lightning Strike Coalition]]. Together, they were able to thwart Starscream's [[Predacon (War Within)|Predacons]] from keeping a stolen cargo of Energon and made a quick retreat with the goods. {{storylink|Fragmentation (G1)|Fragmentation}} When Grimlock took the Dynobots to execute [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] and Shockwave, Swoop argued that they should instead focus on [[Trypticon (G1)|the new battle base]] the Decepticons had built. Grimlock insisted on pursuing their initial mission, but eventually relented, and allowed Swoop and the others aid [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and his troops fight Trypticon while he pressed forward. The battle against Trypticon wound up ending prematurely as the base was called away to rescue Shockwave. Swoop told Trypticon to come back and fight, and called it a coward (once the base was already leaving). {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}}

[[File:Revelation SwoopTrypticon.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.8|Or Swoop Is Blue?]]
Heading to the [[Neutral Territories]], they found no sign of Grimlock, Shockwave, or Jetfire, though there was evidence that a battle had taken place in the area. Swoop contacted Prowl factions to inform them of these strange happenings, and the Autobots agreed to investigate the matter further. {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}} Tracking Shockwave down, Swoop convinced the Decepticon to form a temporary alliance to deal with the bigger threat they now faced; [[The Fallen]], attempting to loose a [[Unicron/Generation 1|greater chaotic force]] onto their world. Together, the joint army managed to defeat the [[Chaos Trinity]], three acolytes working for The Fallen. Ultimately though, it was Jetfire who managed to put an end to The Fallen's diabolical scheming. Afterwards, each of the six Cybertronian factions agreed to seal the chamber used by The Fallen to prevent anyone from abusing the power contained within it. {{storylink|Conflagration}}

Afterwards, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] managed to unite the Autobots once more, and under his leadership gained a significant hold over Cybertron's resources and territories. This eventually forced the [[Ultracon]]s and Shockwave's Decepticons to sign a peace treaty with the Autobots. Swoop was posted as perimeter guard during the signing, in anticipation for any attacks that might come their way. Sure enough, Starscream and his [[Predacon (War Within)|Predacon]]s struck by sending in a pair of shuttles filled with neutronium plasma to crash into [[Tyger Pax]], where the treaty was being signed. Swoop and the other Dynobots were unable to halt the shuttles, ending any hope of an easy truce. The dramatic return of Megatron with his cloned [[Air Warrior|Aerospace Extermination Squadron]] ended any ideas of truce at all. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath}}

As with the other [[Dinobot (G1)|Dynobots]], they departed for [[Earth]] after the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]], most likely because they were running out of things to smash [[Cybertron (planet)|back home]]. {{storylink|Extermination}} They somehow ended up under [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s control and were used to blackmail [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] into serving the Decepticons again. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 3|Prime Directive #3}} Grimlock was able to eventually free them when both Megatron and Optimus Prime became Shockwave's prisoners. {{storylink|Brothers' Burden}} Thereafter, the Dinobots decided that all the fun was really back home. Using a stolen Decepticon shuttle, Swoop piloted the Dinobots back to Cybertron, and after a crash-landing, began sowing their own brand of chaos, bringing discord to [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s totalitarian regime. {{storylink|Cold War (issue)|Cold War}} Their rampage was so destructive that it required the intervention of the [[Guardian robot|Omega Sentinels]] to halt. {{storylink|Passive Aggression}} Though all of the Dinobots wound up rather dinged up after this battle, but they were retrieved by Ultra Magnus. Magnus brought them all to Perceptor for repairs so that they could join the insurrection against Shockwave's regime anew. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction}} Later, once Shockwave's government had been overthrown, Swoop was among the Autobots assembled by Ultra Magnus to help fortify Cybertron's planetary defenses. The Dinobots were to help Kup bolster the new Autobot bases on Cybertron's moons. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

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After an amusing conversation took place between Kup and [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]], the two of them, along with Arcee, Snarl, and Slag, joined Springer, Grimlock, and Swoop on their shuttle's bridge. Together, they all saw an approaching Quintesson ship. {{storylink|Unreleased Dreamwave issues#Issue 11|Generation 1 #11}}

===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
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Swoop and his team members were sent into Earth's past and reformatted into dinosaurs by a malfunctioning [[Teletran 3]]. After some problems with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] blocking their way back, a team consisting of [[Gung-Ho]], [[Dusty]], [[Shipwreck]], and a [[Cobra]] [[Cobra Viper|Viper]] managed to retrieve the Dinobots, who immediately wrecked Shockwave's party. Swoop took care of flying Decepticons by simply cutting right through them with his wings. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 4|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #4}}
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===The Beast Within===
Four million years ago, Swoop combined with his fellow Dinobots to form [[Beast (G1)|The Beast]], a savage abomination of a gestalt that knew no mercy. {{storylink|The Beast Within Part 2, Consequences}}

In the current day, Swoop was called upon by Grimlock to combine once more into their gestalt form. The merge complete, the Dinobots then rampaged once more as The Beast. {{storylink|The Beast Within}}
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===2005 IDW continuity===
{{First|[[Spotlight: Shockwave]]}}
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During [[Nominus Prime]]'s rule, Swoop and the other Dynobots made up the [[Primal Vanguard]] Covert Strike Force, a team of demolitions and heavy weapons experts with a perfect track record. This all changed one day when they ran into powerful subterranean monsters during a mission to the [[Toraxxis Plains]], forcing Swoop and his mates to use a revolutionary method of instantaneous [[alternate mode|altmode]] adaption to take on traits of their foes to survive. Already grieving over the death of their medic, [[Skar (IDW)|Skar]], the Dynobots were outraged to find that their superiors' response was to put them in quarantine and study their new altmodes, causing them to break out and abandon the Vanguard. {{storylink|Underworld (IDW)|Underworld}}

The Dynobots dropped off the radar until the day [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]] rallied an army to fight the tyranny of the [[Decepticon]]s. {{storylink|Broadcast}} Swoop and his team responded to the rallying call and joined the Autobots at [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] where they took out [[Onslaught (G1)|a lot]] [[Brawl (G1)|of tanks]]. {{storylink|Endgame}} However, at this time they realized they were becoming increasingly aggressive, a side effect of their monstrous altmodes. Fearing that they might actually ''become'' monsters and endanger the people of Cybertron, the team turned to a life of crime in an attempt to gather enough money to leave the planet. {{storylink|Derelicts}}

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Having caught a lead on a client wanting an energon refinery heist done, Swoop suggested that they rob the [[Toraxxis mega-refinery]], a plan the others agreed with. His main role in the heist was to air-drop Sludge onto the facility, smashing into it by using his thick comrade as a wrecking ball. {{storylink|Wreckage (issue)|Wreckage}} When tensions grew between Grimlock and Slag during the theft, Swoop stepped in to calm them down but couldn't keep Slag from storming off. Thankfully he returned to help them out when [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] showed up with a bunch of Decepticons to steal the Dynobots' score. {{storylink|Faces of Darkness}} Grimlock fought Scorponok one-on-one but grew increasingly vicious until he started transforming into his altmode, forcing Swoop and Slag to try to calm him down before he lost control completely. {{storylink|Rage (IDW)|Rage}} After the incident led to the destruction of the refinery, the Dynobots gave up on acting alone and accepted the Autobots' offer to help. {{storylink|Prey (issue)|Prey}}

Brought along by [[Kup (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Kup]] to [[Starsreach Spaceport]], Swoop and his comrades were caught in a Decepticon airstrike, causing Grimlock to lose control and go berserk. {{storylink|Massacre}} Their leader's rampage caused the Dynobots to lose their newfound hope in ever finding salvation, and they chose to leave Cybertron. {{storylink|Unleashed}} Fortunately they changed their minds on learning that [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] was unleashed upon Cybertron, and returned to fight off the monster's minions—the very same creatures they'd met underground long ago. {{storylink|Annihilation}} Once Trypticon was defeated, Swoop and the other Dynobots joined Optimus Prime for good in hopes that Autobot scientists could cure them of their cursed altmodes. {{storylink|Belly of the Beast (issue)|Belly of the Beast}} Through cleansing of their energon and restoration of their original altmodes, the Dynobots were indeed cured of their rage in time to participate in the defense of Iacon against a major Decepticon attack. {{storylink|The Transformers: Primacy #3|Primacy #3}} {{storylink|The Transformers: Primacy #4|Primacy #4}}

[[File:Shockwaveg1idw.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|GIVE ME YOUR EYEBALL!]]
The Dinobots continued to serve under Optimus Prime over the next few million years, becoming widely-known and feared boogeymen for the Decepticons and conducting regular raids on outposts and [[energon]] stores. {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 1|Maximum Dinobots #1}} They took part in the battle of [[Varas Centralus]], one of the bloodiest battles of the war {{storylink|The Killing Jar (issue)|The Killing Jar}} as well as another alien planet where the native population was rendered extinct by the conflict. {{storylink|Post}} Swoop fought in the skies during the [[Battle for Hell's Point]]. {{storylink|The Gloaming}}

Swoop and the other Dynobots followed Grimlock to revenge themselves against [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]], who blew up a cache of [[energon]] they had stolen. When Shockwave traveled to [[Earth]], the Dynobots pursued him and reformatted themselves to transform into robotic dinosaurs with a synthetic skin as a defense against energon overload. Sadly, it did not protect the Dynobots from Shockwave's energy blasts, which melted the artificial skin and caused the Dynobots to go into [[stasis lock]] due to excessive [[energon radiation]]. Due to a deadman's switch, the [[Skyfire (ship)|Dynobots' ship]] blasted a volcano that buried everyone in molten lava. {{storylink|Spotlight: Shockwave}}

Thousands of years later, the Dynobots were eventually excavated by [[Skywatch]]. As Swoop's wings had been mostly disintegrated by Shockwave, leaving only the "fingers," Skywatch scientists constructed new ones for him. Though Grimlock was the first to be brought back online, he was freed from Skywatch's control through a virus implanted by a [[Machination]] spy (under orders from Scorponok). Scorponok wanted Grimlock to join him, but Grimlock refused, fought Scorponok and escaped, vowing to find and rescue Swoop and the other Dynobots. Scorponok, however, planned to take control of the Dynobots himself and use them to assassinate Grimlock. {{storylink|Spotlight: Grimlock}}

Skywatch activated Swoop, and in a test run, had him destroy a plane. When Grimlock showed up in [[Fallon]], he and the other Dynobots were sent to intercept him. {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 1|Maximum Dinobots #1}} He got to slash at Grimlock with his talons before his reprogramming was removed, allowing him to discover Grimlock had set up a dead man's switch that buried them ''without'' informing the rest of the team. However, Grimlock's spirited defence of his actions seemed to convince Swoop... {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 2|Maximum Dinobots #2}}

[[File:Dynobots divided MaximumDinos.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|left|Oh no, dad and mum are splitting up!]]
Or not. Despite Grimlock's best efforts to justify his actions, Swoop was quite disillusioned by the perceived betrayal of trust and decided to fly off on his own. The others also left Grimlock, who was thereafter almost immediately attacked by Scorponok's [[Sunstreaker clone|Headmaster army]]. Despite their shaken faith in Grimlock, the other Dynobots were quick to turn back and aid him in battle, unwilling to watch a comrade fight alone. Swoop also flew back, admitting he had nowhere else to go. The five Dynobots continued to fight even as the Sunstreaker clones threatened to overwhelm them. Swoop told Grimlock it was probably better to die like this alongside his warrior brothers than be on his own. Just as the Machination grunts began to dogpile the Dynobots, the [[Monsterbot (G1)|Monsterbots]] arrived, having been summoned earlier by Grimlock. With their help, the Dynobots easily forced the remaining Headmasters into a retreat. {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 3|Maximum Dinobots #3}}

[[File:Swoop Sunstreaker clones MaximumDinos.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|''Bombardment! Bombardment!'']]
Later, aboard the Monsterbots’ ship en route to Machination HQ, Swoop and the others discussed their current situation. Swoop in particular was quite disgusted at being allied, even temporarily, with the Monsterbots. When Grimlock came to them with the terms of the alliance, the rest of the Dynobots just gave him an annoyed look. Having arrived at Machination HQ, Grimlock told his team that he was going to see this through to the end, with or without them. Deciding things couldn't get worse, Swoop and the rest followed Grimlock as they leapt from the ship and attacked. They set upon the task (again) of trashing Sunstreaker clones, until [[Hunter O'Nion]] managed to disconnect the clones’ link to the original Sunstreaker's head. Assuming the threat was ended, Sludge began to celebrate...only to be struck down by the vengeful Scorponok. {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 4|Maximum Dinobots #4}}

[[File:Maximum Dinos cast.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|You smelt it, you dealt it, Swoop.]]
Before the Dynobots could do anything about the Decepticon [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]], Shockwave arrived on the scene. Claiming to want the Dynobots for himself, Shockwave entered into combat with Scorponok, leaving an opportunity for the Dynobots to escape. The price of his arrogance and unyielding attitude striking him, Grimlock decided to stay behind with Sludge's stasis-locked body, as Swoop, Snarl, and Slag retreated. They were going to pull out of the area with the Monsterbots, but ultimately decided against it. Returning to the scene of the battle, they found Grimlock fighting Shockwave, and Sludge having just come back online. Swoop and the others briefly aided Grimlock, but were ordered by the Dynobot commander to go find Scorponok before he escaped. They infiltrated Machination HQ, and found the chamber where Scorponok's original head was being stored. With some direction from the damaged [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Hot Rod]], Swoop severed the connections keeping Scorponok's head functional with his wings, rendering the giant Decepticon inert. Snarl was about to execute Scorponok when [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]] arrived on the scene. He suggested that they quickly scrub the site of evidence of any Cybertronian, and take Scorponok and the now-defeated Shockwave into custody. Swoop and the others were totally cool with this. In the end, Grimlock surrendered himself to Ultra Magnus for his rogue actions and the rest of the Dynobots were let off the hook. Swoop was seen helping the others rebuild the ''Skyfire''. {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 5|Maximum Dinobots #5}}

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After traveling space for a few years, Swoop and the newly dubbed "Dinobots" returned to a reborn Cybertron and joined [[Ironhide (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ironhide]] for a mission to find the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] who had gone missing in the wilderness. After a run-in with a ferocious [[turbofox]], which the Dinobots dealt with in their usual fashion, they discovered signs of Transformer weaponry which made Ironhide suspicious that [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] was still around after the Decepticon leader had disappeared during the Autobot's last battle which ended the war. The night they set up camp, a battle suddenly broke out and ended with Slag and Swoop impaling Ironhide. {{storylink|Dinobot Hunt (IDW)|Dinobot Hunt}} However, this didn't kill Ironhide and the Dinobots continued to fight each other. Eventually, they somehow stopped clashing among themselves and began to pursue Ironhide, who was saved thanks to the timely arrival of the combined form of the Aerialbots, [[Superion (G1)|"The Superion"]]. {{storylink|Night and the City}}

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As it later turned out, the Dinobots' rage had been brought about by Megatron, who had unsuccessfully been using them as test subjects for a mysterious type of energy capable of forcing Transformers to [[combiner|combine]]. Superion's appearance caused them to recover from his tampering with their minds, and they returned to Iacon with Ironhide and Superion just as the city was being conquered by Decepticons. {{storylink|Before the Dawn}} During the battle, Swoop took to the skies and fought with [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] and [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] {{storylink|Plan for Everything}} as well as [[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]]. While the Autobots were victorious in the end, they found themselves exiled into the wilderness when [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]] took command and banished all non-[[NAIL|neutrals]]. {{storylink|Heavy Is the Head}} Out in the wilderness, the Dinobots defended the Autobot convoy from the approaching [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], at least until the Decepticon team expressed their desire to join forces with the Autobots because they appreciated what a lying, murdering prick [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]] was. [[Bumblebee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Bumblebee]] was horrified by the revelation, which Swoop found ''hilarious''. {{storylink|Second Exodus}}

When a mysterious light lit up Cybertron, the Dinobots ignored Bumblebee's urges for caution and instead prepared to roll out and smash things. Then out of the light stepped the decidedly difficult-to-smash [[Quintessa (IDW)|Necrotitan]]. {{storylink|Dark Dawn: Dark Cybertron Chapter 1|Dark Dawn}} As the Autobots scrambled to deal with the situation, Swoop performed aerial reconnaissance on the giant and found it silent and unmoving. {{storylink|Black Metal: Dark Cybertron Chapter 2|Black Metal}} They were interrupted by an attack from the similarly exiled Decepticon forces, but the battle didn't last long before both factions were caught in a destructive energy wave emanated from the Titan. {{storylink|Winners & Losers: Dark Cybertron Chapter 3|Winners & Losers}} Realizing they were both up against something greater, the Autobots and Decepticons teamed up to put a stop to Shockwave, responsible for summoning the Titan. {{storylink|Into the Abyss: Dark Cybertron Chapter 4|Into the Abyss}} After the Necrotitan started marching towards Iacon, all the Dinobots could do was uselessly fire on it as it ignored them. {{storylink|No Exit: Dark Cybertron Chapter 6|No Exit}}

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As the Necrotitan stomped through Iacon, the Dinobots and others continued to try and halt its rampage until [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] arrived to confront the undead Titan. {{storylink|Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|Burning Bright}} Swoop could only get out of the way as the two giants clashed. {{storylink|Finis Temporis: Dark Cybertron Chapter 9|Finis Temporis}} After the Necrotitan was defeated, the Dinobots stood around in the aftermath as the crew of the ''[[Lost Light]]'' was welcomed back to Cybertron. Swoop joined in the celebratory singing in [[Swerve's]] as everyone enjoyed a brief break in the action. {{storylink|The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|The Becoming}} The reprieve didn't last long, as Shockwave's army of [[Ammonite]]s soon appeared in the sky, and the Dinobots got back to fighting. {{storylink|Black Planet: Dark Cybertron Chapter 11|Black Planet}} Swoop and the others killed Ammonites until their foes all began self-destructing. Swoop bore witness to Optimus Prime and Megatron returning after they had ended Shockwave's threat. {{storylink|...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|...And the Damage Done}}

With a murderer on the loose, Swoop and the other Dinobots arrived on the crime scene to provide security for an investigation. {{storylink|Fight or Flee (issue)|Fight or Flee}} When the [[Firecon]]s were suspected as the killers, Swoop and the others aided in their apprehension, brutalizing the three Decepticons. {{storylink|Quest for Fire}} The Dinobots left to let off some steam after the fight, and Optimus tracked them down to accuse Slug of being the real murderer. {{storylink|The Killing Jar (issue)|The Killing Jar}} Swoop was doubtful that Optimus really meant what he said to Slug, but before the Dinobots could do anything about it, their stomping ground was bombed. Prime had only accused Slug to root out the real killer; [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]], who chose the Dinobots as his next targets. The Dinobots were rescued by Starscream and [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] while Optimus managed to stop and apprehend Sandstorm. {{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming (issue)|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}

[[File:Redemption-DinobotBattle.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|left|THIS! IS! SWOOPTA!!!]]
Swoop and Sludge had to restrain a drunken Slug from attacking [[Caminus (planet)|Camien]] proselytizers after he heard them singing the praises of Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 1: Aphelion|Aphelion}} They dragged him to [[Maccadam's Old Oil House|Maccadam's]] to get even drunker and start a brawl THERE, ending in Slug's arrest by [[Barricade (IDW)|Barricade]]. Barricade soon hired the Dinobots for a under-the-table job requested by Camiens [[Swift (G1)|Swift]] and [[Strafe (IDW)|Strafe]] transporting secret cargo into the wilderness and past the [[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]]. While initially planning to double-cross Barricade and take his money, Slug changed his mind once he found out the cargo consisted of Camien [[spark]]s that were to be planted in a new [[hot spot (phenomenon)|hot spot]] in [[Alyon]]. Swoop and the other Dinobots quickly followed Slug's lead and provided defense against the [[Badgeless]], reanimated [[Sweep (G1)|Sweeps]], and mutated turbofoxes during the long journey. The group soon encountered [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], the source of their troubles, and a battle ensued that resulted in the death of Barricade, the loss of the Camien sparks, and Strafe being mutated by corrupted [[energon]]. In the aftermath, the Dinobots, now joined by the newly-bestial Strafe, decided to continue deeper into the wilderness to track down the missing Bludgeon. {{storylink|The Transformers: Redemption|Redemption}}

[[File:Salvation SwoopFlatline.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|right|I knew I shoulda taken that left toin at Alba-koik-ee!]]
Months later, the Dinobots were still following Bludgeon's trail through the wastes of [[Tyger Pax]]. They discovered one of his abandoned labs, where they were ambushed by Sandstorm, who had been released from prison by Starscream to kill the Dinobots. He managed to kill Slug with a sniper shot, forcing the other Dinobots to flee. After stealing the new sparks from the Alyon hot spot, Bludgeon reawakened and enslaved [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] with the [[Void Scepter]], unleashing him on Iacon. Swoop split off from the others to investigate Alyon and ran afoul of Sandstorm, who blew him out of the sky. Deciding Bludgeon and Trypticon were a greater threat, Sandstorm spared Swoop's life and gave him a lift back to Iacon. They infiltrated Trypticon and met up with Snarl and Sludge, who attacked Sandstorm upon learning from Swoop that he was Slug's killer. Their battle spilled into Trypticon's brain-center, where Strafe was confronting Bludgeon. The fight turned out to be a distraction so they could separate Bludgeon from the Void Scepter, and with his mind freed, Trypticon forcibly [[space bridge]]d Bludgeon outside and immolated him. Trypticon then departed Iacon and returned to the wilderness, determined to nurture the stolen sparks nested within him. The Dinobots and Sandstorm made an uneasy peace and agreed to defend the sparks until they matured into [[protoform]]s. {{storylink|The Transformers: Salvation|Salvation}}

They were soon joined by [[Centurion (IDW)|Centurion]] in their vigil and drawn into conflict with Optimus Prime, [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]], [[G.B. Blackrock|Garrison Blackrock]], and the resurrected Slug, who was enraged to see his fellow Dinobots consorting with Sandstorm. Another fight broke out, with everyone's aggression amplified by Bludgeon and his reacquired Void Scepter. {{storylink|The Dead Come Home, Part 1 (of 2)|The Dead Come Home, Part 1}} Trypticon put a stop to the fighting and Slug reconciled with the rest of the Dinobots; Swoop welcoming him back with a sentimental "trying to kill each other is no big deal" hug. {{storylink|The Dead Come Home, Part 2 (of 2)|The Dead Come Home, Part 2}}

After Trypticon had relocated to Earth, Swoop, Slug, and Strafe found themselves defending against an attack by the [[Colonist Soldiers]], who were misguidedly attempting to rescue the imprisoned [[Jazz (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Jazz]]. The battle took a tragic turn after [[Gimlet]] killed [[Mainframe (G.I. Joe)|Mainframe]] and was in turn killed by Slug. However, everyone soon stopped fighting when [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] appeared in the skies above Earth. {{storylink|Time Will Rust}} Swoop and the Dinobots stood around wondering what to do as this new threat was assessed. {{storylink|A Sunrise Dark}}

[[File:Post-mourners.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|left|Now he just needs to find a [[Cub]] to fuse with...]]
The Dinobots attended a war council inside Trypticon and joined an attack force in Earth's orbit to oppose Unicron's [[Maximal]] army. {{storylink|Assembly (Unicron)|Assembly}} After Bludgeon's [[Worldsweeper]] breached the planet's atmosphere, the Dinobots boarded [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] and followed it. With [[Victorion]] serving as a distraction, the Dinobots infiltrated the Worldsweeper and fought their way to the bridge to confront Bludgeon. Sludge, Snarl, and Slug all died in the ensuing fight but the Dinobots finally succeeded in killing Bludgeon after the Worldsweeper crash-landed into the [[White House]]. Swoop and Strafe managed to survive, being pulled from the rubble by Swift. {{storylink|Ceremony}} In the days following Unicron's defeat, Swoop attended Optimus Prime's funeral. {{storylink|Post}}
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===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe''===
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Swoop was present when [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] presented the offworlders [[Clutch (G.I. Joe)|Clutch]], [[Breaker (G.I. Joe)|Breaker]], [[Cover Girl]], and [[Jinx]] as P.O.W.s to King Grimlock. Grimlock had no mercy for his captives, and promptly dropped them in a pool of [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]]. {{storylink|Funeral for a Friend}}

The Joes survived their trial, however, impressing Grimlock. The humans were escorted back to their allies on Cybertron, where Grimlock announced a truce between the Autobots and the Joes. Swoop joined in the festivities that ensued to celebrate the newly forged alliance. {{storylink|Form Follows Function}} Soon thereafter, the mobile city of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] came under siege from both [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] and a mind-controlled [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. Swoop flew into battle to drive back the enemy forces of Decepticobra, allowing [[Snow Job]] and [[Rock 'n Roll]] to ride atop of him. {{storylink|Everybody Hates Metroplex}}

Swoop flew with a united Autobot/[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] force opposing the Decepticon/[[Cobra]] alliance before the final battle. {{storylink|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe issue 12|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe #12}} He carried [[Lady Jaye]] and [[Flash (G.I. Joe)|Flash]] into battle and later saw the deceased Grimlock's spirit among the former bearers of the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. {{storylink|The War Never Ends}}
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===''Transformers: All Spark''===
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Revenge (All Spark)|Revenge}} {{storylink|Ray of Hope}} {{storylink|Great Aspirations}} {{storylink|Conclusion}}}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
In [[Primax 096.0 Beta]], Grimlock, Sludge, and Swoop appeared at the last minute to save the day for the Autobots at the Battle for [[Sherman Dam]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/06}}

{{note|Swoop's coloration in this universe is based on his unreleased ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' toy. See [[Swoop (G1)#Notes]] for further details.}}

===2006 IDW ''Beast Wars'' continuity===
Swoop was one of the many casualties of the Great War before the signing of the [[Pax Cybertronia]]. {{storylink|Dawn of the Predacus}}

===''Titans Return'' marketing material===
The [[Titan Master]] Ptero was a skilled flier capable of bombing ground-based targets from high above. He could grant other bots the ability to fly at supersonic speed. {{storylink|Swoop (G1)/toys#TitansReturn|''Titans Return'' Ptero online bio}}

===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons===
{{voiceactor|[[Matthew Patrick]] (English)}}
[[File:POTP-Ep5-Athenaeum-Sanctorum-Cron-throws-Swoop.jpg|thumb|250px|left]]
When [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and his team arrived in the [[Primal Swamp]], Swoop and the other Dinobots attacked the trespassers. Swoop assisted Grimlock in his attempts to drown [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], but [[Victorion]] managed to force them off the scientist. Undeterred, Swoop merged with his fellow Dinobots to become [[Volcanicus (POTP)|Volcanicus]]. {{storylink|The Swamp}} The Dinobots later separated, but were taken aback when Grimlock agreed to join Megatron's group. {{storylink|Primal (POTP)|Primal}} Unable to agree with the decision, Swoop and the other Dinobots departed. Unfortunately, they were found by [[Overlord (G1)|Overlord]] and [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Cron]], who attacked and soundly defeated them. Unable to move, Swoop could only watch as Rodimus killed Sludge and departed with Overlord, leaving him and the others to mourn the loss of their own. {{storylink|Athenaeum Sanctorum (episode)|Athenaeum Sanctorum}} He was later severely weakened by the spark-draining power of [[The Fallen|Megatronus]]'s doomsday weapon. {{storylink|Collision Course}} Fortunately, he ultimately survived and he and the others reunited with Grimlock, collectively mourning Sludge. {{storylink|Saga's End}}
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===''Power of the Primes'' marketing material===
[[File:PowerOfThePrimes-DinobotSwoop-CardArt.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3]]

The Dinobot bombardier Swoop could wield powers of the [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]s by linking with [[Prime Master]]s. {{storylink|#Power of the Primes|''Power of the Primes'' Dinobot Swoop packaging bio}}
{{note|For a list of powers manifested by Swoop, see [[Prime Master/Combinations|this chart]].}}
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==Commercial appearances==
*Swoop and the Dinobots were beating up [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] when the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] intervened. The new arrivals then combined into Predaking and attacked the Dinobots from the skies. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Predacons|Predacons commercial}}

==Games==
===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
{{Note|Swoop is a non-playable character. He appears among the legion of Autobot duplicates in the Decepticon campaign.}}
{{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

===''Transformers Legends''===
When Grimlock went missing, Swoop and Sludge paid a visit to the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junk]], but were unable to find him there. {{storylink|Wreckage (Legends)|Wreckage}} They and the rest of the [[Lightning Strike Coalition]] tracked down Grimlock to the Sea of Rust, where they were captured by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] who experimented on them and gave them dinosaur [[alternate mode]]s. They repaid him by trashing his lab. {{storylink|Rescue the King}}

Grimlock and Swoop went missing, causing the other three Dinobots to act erratically, until the Autobots got the trio under control and locked them up. {{storylink|Day of the Dinobots - Part 1}} The missing pair resurfaced, staging a raid and freeing their fellow Dinobots in the middle of the night. The five Dinobots marched on the Decepticon base, but were defeated by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]], and [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]. {{storylink|Day of the Dinobots - Part 2}}

The Dinobots supported Grimlock when their leader decided to take control of the Autobot army, and took part in an attack on the Decepticons, capturing Megatron and Shockwave. {{storylink|Me, Grimlock, King}}

When Optimus fell in battle during a massive Decepticon attack on Autobot City and Grimlock took command, Swoop and the other Dinobots joined him in crushing the Decepticon forces. {{storylink|S.O.S. Dinobots (Legends)|S.O.S. Dinobots}} Swoop aided Grimlock in rescuing Rodimus and Kup when the pair were put on trial by the Quintessons. {{storylink|Mockery of Justice}}

===''Transformers Rising''===
{{charstubgames|{{storylink|War of the Dinobots (Rising)|War of the Dinobots}} {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots (Rising)|Desertion of the Dinobots}}}}
{{Note|In this game Swoop is referred to as "Strafe".}}

===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
[[File:Battle-Tactics-Swoop.jpg|thumb|400px]]
Swoop participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of him! He was a Super Rare character who was available as a reward in the "Dinobots Destruction" event. {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}
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===''Transformers: Frontiers''===
{{charstubgames|{{storylink|Transformers: Frontiers}}}}

===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
[[File:StrafeEarthWars.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75]]
Strafe was previously known as Swoop. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars/Events|Dark Deeds}} Then later he became Swoop again.

*'''Class''': Aerial
*'''Lowest Star Rating''': 2 star
*'''Weapons''': Strafe uses a heat ray to obliterate targets.
*'''Ability: Fire Mission''': Sets out to damage targets in an area, striking them up to 18 times.
**'''Cost''': 5 ability points +5 for reuses.

[http://wiki.transformersearthwars.com/character:strafe Strafe at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]

{{charstubgame|{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}|Research Dialogue}}

===''Angry Birds Transformers''===
[[File:Volcanicus Bird.jpg|thumb|200px]]
Swoop exists in the game as [[Hal#As Volcanicus|Volcanicus’]] right arm. {{storylink|Angry Birds Transformers (mobile game)|Angry Birds Transformers}}

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===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
Although Swoop was a friendly soul and an excellent flier, he sometimes felt pressured by his fellow Dinobots to conform to their stubborn, belligerent ways. {{storylink|Technorganic Secrets}}

==Toys==
{{main|Swoop (G1)/toys}}

==Merchandise==
{{main|Swoop (G1)/toys#Merchandise}}

==Notes==
[[File:DiacloneSwoop.jpg|thumb|upright=0.8|"The UK sucks, even if they did get ROTF before the rest of us!"]]
[[File:SWOOPev.jpg|thumb|upright=0.8|Season 1 and 2 character models]]
*Swoop had the preliminary names of '''Divebomb'''<ref name="divebomb"/> and '''Wing'''.<ref name="wing">The [[dialogue script]] to "[[War of the Dinobots]]" refers to Swoop as "Wing" in places.[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/b533df64aedd8537?hl=en] This early name was evidently coined by writer [[Donald F. Glut]].[http://web.archive.org/web/20070217131842/http://members.aol.com/tfencyc/interview_glut.html]</ref>
*Swoop was originally a ''[[Diaclone]]'' Dinosaur Robo Pteranodon type piloted mech. Whoever made Swoop's animation model used this ''Diaclone'' toy as a reference, as the Dinobot sports the pre-Transformer's blue chest, and gold lower beak, missiles, and dino feet. Swoop's box art has the Transformer toy's red chest, but keeps the gold parts from the Diaclone toy.
*Swoop's character model was simplified a little between seasons one and two of [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the original cartoon]], removing a couple of lines here and there from his legs, chest, and wings, and the "ears" on his helmet.
*Swoop is the only original Dinobot who is not technically a dinosaur.
*Thanks to the ''[[Robo-Capers]]'' strip in issue [[Robo-Capers issue 87|#87]] of the UK Comic, Swoop became the first and possibly only Transformer to defecate in a licensed and approved presentation.
*Swoop was never released in the UK, resulting in several letters asking about his whereabouts being published in the UK comic letters page.
*A 1986 [[Panini]] stickerbook sold in Belgium and the Netherlands gave Swoop the alternate French language name "Swarp". Whether this name was used in any other media made for French-speaking regions is unknown.
*The overall design and transformation sequence of the original Swoop toy served as the basis for '''[[:File:PteraGeist.jpg|Ptera Geist]]''', one of four recurring villainous henchmen on the Takara/Sunrise co-production ''[[Brave (franchise)|Brave Exkaiser]]''; Ptera Geist was the smartest of the group, and something of an inventor. In what might be called [[Beast (G1)|a vision of things to come]], the four "Geisters" were once briefly fused into a single robot called "[[:File:MadGeister.jpg|Mad Geister]]" (マッドガイスター ''Maddogaisutā''). However, because each Geister controlled a portion of the combined body—and, aside from Ptera Geist, they had the accumulated brain power of a Froot Loop—this ended rather badly. In a more successful (if not [[Mega-Dinobot|also prescient]]) later development, the Geisters learned to merge in groups of two, with Ptera Geist forming the upper body of "[[:File:PtederAndHormor.jpg|Pteder]]" (プテダー ''Putedā'').
*Though never named specifically in the 3H comics, it is strongly implied that the Veteran is Swoop. The Veteran also appears in Simon Furman's pseudo-canonical story "[[The Last Days of Optimus Prime]]" and is outright referred to as being Swoop; he's said to have changed his name and appearance many times to adapt to Cybertron.
*The ''Diaclone'' incarnation of Swoop was also used as the model for the "restored" version of the Autobot [[Ravenus]] in the ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Legends of the Microns]]'' "[[Linkage (comic)|Linkage]]" mini-comics.
*An Autobot-aligned Mini-Con called Swoop was planned for release in one of the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)| Cybertron]]'' Mini-Con Versus Packs, facing off against the Decepticon-aligned [[Overbite (Classics)|Overbite]], as part of a wave composed of members of the [[Mini-Con Council of Sages]]. Swoop's bio described him as an experienced diplomat who tries to seek a peaceful resolution while [[Tracks (Cybertron)|Tracks]] and [[Sledge (Classics)|Sledge]] direct the Council's military.<ref>"TRANSFORMERS CYBERTRON MINI-CON Class: OVERBITE vs. SWOOP:<br>[...]<br>"The oldest member of the MINI-CON Council of Sages, and a firm believer in peace, SWOOP is far smarter than he looks. It is this fact that has helped him last as long on the Council as he has. He believes that any situation can be resolved without violence. He is a master diplomat who uses dialogue, flattery and deception the way a more militant robot uses a laser cannon – to break down an opponent's defenses, destroy his position, and emerge victorious. The current battle between the rebels and the Council upsets him, but even as his friends TRACKS and SLEDGE direct the military response, he works to reach a peaceful resolution. Awesome OVERBITE and SWOOP figures change from robots to vehicles and back again!"—[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/transformers-bios-alternators-cybertron-mini-cons-and-titanium.108622/ Hidden bios for the unreleased ''Cybertron'' Mini-Con Versus Packs found on the ''Transformers'' website]</ref> Considering that the bio goes out of its way to establish Swoop as the oldest member of the Council of Sages, it seems likely that the bio's writer intended Swoop to be a nod to the original Dinobot, much like Swoop's eventual ''Classics'' release and characterisation ended up being.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Swoop''' (スワープ ''Suwāpu'')<ref>While on the surface this Japanese rendition sounds more like "Swarp", it is the best that translators can make do with phonetic limitations. A more direct attempt to adapt Swoop yields ''Sūpu'' (スープ), which is the same pronunciation as "Soup".</ref>
*''French:'' '''Assailo''' (Canada and ''Angry Birds Transformers'' game)
*''Hungarian:'' '''Roham''' ("Charge")
*''Italian:'' '''Reptilo'''
*''Mandarin'': '''Fēibiāo''' (China, 飞镖, "dart"), '''Fēibiāo Yìlóng''' (Taiwan, ''Generations Selects'', 飛鏢翼龍, "Dart Pterodacyl")
*''Portuguese:'' '''Pairador''' (Brazil comic)

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.diaclone.net/orid/diadino/d090.html ''Diaclone'' Swoop at DIACLONE.net (Japanese-language site)]
*[http://www.toyarchive.com/Transformers.html Proofs of the Albitron & Swoop box on Toyarchive.com]

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== Press release or logo for 30,000 articles? ==
Is it worth putting something together as we get very very close? Maybe something like:
* 3 from Thrilling 30 logo
* 0 from the 40th logo
* 0 from the Vector Sigma "Featured" logo
* 0 from the cosmic-streaking O in the TFTM opener
* 0 from GO!

Just a suggestion.... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:45, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:If we wanted to go down that route, maybe tie into some of the contemporary material? Say, the "O"s from [[Energon Universe]] or [[Transformers: Legacy#Legacy: Evolution|Evolution]]? (Though the latter isn't exactly straight-on...) --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 14:38, 10 November 2023 (EST)
::Sure! I lean towards the Energon Universe choice. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:48, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:Apologies, I've corrected the count on the main page as it was inaccurate, so we're not as close as it looked like we were. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:20, 10 November 2023 (EST)
::That just means we have more time to decide and, if so, pull things together. :) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:51, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:::Feels like we just leapt up 40 new articles in the last 2-3 days. Is it worth putting a graphic together? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 22:47, 18 January 2024 (EST)

=="Multi-pack" vs "gift set" and suchlike==
Incoming semantics, but... as I've been going through the toy entries, been trying to standardize/streamline a lot of stuff, and I think maybe a set of consistent terms/definitions for "a bunch of separate toys packed together" is in order. So lemme throw this out here for discussion/future reference...
*'''Multi-pack''' — A pack of toys where the contents (or at least most/some/any of them) are exclusive to this release, not sold in other packaging. Most multi-toy releases nowadays would fall under this umbrella by default.
*'''Gift set''' — A pack of toys where all of the contents are/were concurrently (or close enough) sold individually as well, without changes, in the same market. Like all the various G1 combiner sets.
The latter brings up the question of if we want to label all the Takara "VS" packs and the various UT-era "VALUE PACK!" sets under that umbrella, which I'm ambivalent-to-marginally-in-favor-of over. Especially as Takara's been putting out new "VS" packs where the toys are new decos not available elsewhere... also we kinda made up the "VS pack" term anyway, as memory serves, so. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:15, 8 January 2024 (EST)
:Hasbro has used the word "[[Giftset]]" to refer to unique variants not available separately. I'm inclined to think we shouldn't directly contradict that. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:21, 8 January 2024 (EST)
::and damn but does that article need updating. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:22, 8 January 2024 (EST)
:::I'm inclined to think that Hasbro uses lots of terms in ways that are not exactly conducive to organizing a wiki. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 8 January 2024 (EST)

==More bullet point insignia?==
Okay so... I recall there were some other possible faction symbol bullet points we could maybe use. I ran across a few with this batch of toy pics we might consider adding. I'll list them here, see if people can think of more. I feel like there might be a couple more two-faction matchups out there.
* Rescue Bots
* The various BotBots squads
* My First Transformers

I'm not un-convinced that we should have the bespoke insignia for stuff like the Disney Label, since they do use them on the packaging. So uh... there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:51, 13 January 2024 (EST)
:Also, while looking at the list of all the bullets on the template page... maybe we should see if we can split the list up a smidge? Like, put all the mutli-faction icons in one section, a section just for BotBots since there's gonna be quite a few of them? Alphabetizing them might also be in order. (I have exactly zero idea how those templates are coded, so uh, lemme know if that's doable.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:42, 13 January 2024 (EST)
::There's also the [[Star Wars Transformers]]... though I'm not sure if using ''Star Wars'' insignia falls too much out of this wiki's scope, although we do use at least use them on the actual characters' pages (see [[Darth Vader]]). [[User:Turborun|Turborun]] ([[User talk:Turborun|talk]]) 10:34, 13 January 2024 (EST)
:::I don't think we'd use SW insignia because, near as I can tell, the toy packaging doesn't mark the toys that way. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:27, 14 January 2024 (EST)

== Idea for reducing the size of toy sections by compacting unchanged toy entries ==

I've come up with an idea that I think would make toy sections on character pages a little better and more intuitive. Instead of having a long list of entries for multiple releases of the exact same toy completely unchanged, we could just compact them all in a single entry, describing how the toy was available both individually and unchanged in a bunch of multipacks. This could be especially helpful with toy sections that are way too long, such as both the Movie Optimus Prime and Bumblebee toy pages that have been subject to a lot of discussion already.

[[User:Fritz/Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|I used the 2007 Legends Class section of the Movie Optimus Prime toy page to make a quick example out of it.]] The entries would be reduced from four to two toys, since 3/4 of them are the same toy anyway, and a lot of white space would be removed. As for the images of the multipacks, I don't think we would be losing much in removing them since the wiki has never prioritized images of packagings for anything really and, as I know is written somewhere in the "rules", the wiki isn't supposed to be used as an image hosting website in the first place.

So, any thoughts? --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 20:18, 20 January 2024 (EST)
: We used to do this and it was actually kind of worse. There's also complications when unchanged toys end up being sold under different franchise headers, and when you add in all the other bullet point data a toy/set might have, you could end up with a lonnnnng list of bullet points before you get to the actual writeup, plus describing the multi-packs' contents... you're not really saving space while also kinda hurting the demi-chronological flow of the information. And deleting the multi-pack package imagery feels very wrong. It's one of those cases where there's no real ideal situation, but there's a least-bad one.
:That said, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to make sure the first entry mentions these "repacks" alongside the redecoes and links to the relevant items. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)
::Good points, as usual. Now that you mentioned it, I think I do have a vague memory of this being done in the past. I was going to suggest the repacks from different toylines should remain separate, though. My mentality was that maybe we could have a way to highlight the "main" releases (original and redecoes/retools) from the "minor" ones (unchanged repacks) to make it easier to identify in a glance how many actually-different toys were released within a toyline, but I wouldn't want it to cause ''more'' confusion than ''less''. Anyway thanks for taking the time to evaluate the idea. --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 05:54, 22 January 2024 (EST)

==Repurposings, continuity transplants, and using Template:Main/Template:See to improve navigability==
I've gone back to the drawing board to come up with a way to signal to readers where closely-related pages exist, as I don't think [[Help:Disambiguation|disambiguation]] pages are enough and have found [[Template:OtherVersions]] to be unideal. [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive70#Proposal re: G1 pages|Previously]], I'd suggested merging a bunch of pages for so-called "[[Continuity family|continuity]] transplants", but other users convinced me this would be a poor solution. One alternative suggestion, from [[User:Broadside]], was to use [[Template:Main]] to put key links to a character's appearances in other continuity families directly in the fiction section—[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive70#Handling of "former GoBots" and "former Diaclone" characters on the wiki|reactions at the time]] were neutral-positive. You can see mockups for [[User:Broadside/Sandbox:Cy-Kill|Cy-Kill]] and [[User:Broadside/Sandbox:Bug Bite|Bug Bite]]. This strikes me as the best of both worlds, because it keeps the consistent schema (which helps for page length and organisation) but also puts a link to the information in the place where your typical reader is expecting to find it (on the page for the highest-profile first incarnation of the character).

With the same philosophy in mind, I've also designed two new templates. The first, [[Template:Toyappeared]], is intended for use in toy write-ups as a way of linking to fiction write-ups and character pages. It covers [[repurposing]]s, "continuity transplants", notable instances of [[Show-accuracy|toy-accuracy]], in-fiction [[Reformatting|powerups]], [[Redeco#"Virtual" redecos|"virtual" redecos]], you name it. Toy write-ups are increasingly being duplicated across multiple character pages, which creates maintenance overhead, as both instances must be manually kept in sync. My suggestion is to use [[Template:See]] to link to the full information regarding a toy on the original page, with the repurposed instance giving only brief information of what the toy is and ''why'' it was repurposed or whatever. The second of my new templates has a much more specific intended use case: [[Template:Bwucharacter]] provides an easy way of explaining how/why a character was reinterpreted for their ''Uprising'' appearance, as ''Uprising'' accounts for most of the situations I view as being problematic.

I realise I'm proposing like five things at once here, so [[User:The Wadapan/sandbox/repurposing|my sandbox]] has [[User:The Wadapan/sandbox/repurposing#Full example|a full example]] demonstrating how it all works together, along with tons of individual examples of the templates' usage and a more thorough explanation of what I'm trying to address with them. Take a look, and let me know which aspects you like, which parts you don't like, or any ideas you have to add! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:24, 12 February 2024 (EST)
:I can vouch for these templates! [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 15:38, 26 February 2024 (EST)
: I'm seeing a lot of problems with the implementation of some of this, and a lot of future headaches. The ones rolled out put what look like stub headers in a fiction section with just a small normal missable note up top; and in Override's case in specific, multiple stubs with completely redundant information. What this is ''going'' to do is get new people thinking that these are missing information that needs to be filled, then we gotta revert it and tell them no all that goes elsewhere, which is utterly unintuitive and will just lead to arguments and headaches all around.
: As for toys, in the instances of BWU-type stuff where it's a one-toy Mini-Con or whatever, I feel like NOT having the actual toy info for them on the BWU page, as with the Mini-Con Snow Cat toy currently, is not doing the reader any favors. Quite the opposite. Why are we making them jump to a different page for information that has no reason to not be right there? I don't like making readers jump through hoops needlessly, and that's all this feels like. And it's not like the toy sections of most of these are gonna see major changes, so lack of cross-updating is very, very, very unlikely to be an issue.
: I really don't think these require new templates and a bunch of new-editor landmines. At most, there's a decent argument to be made for re-positioning the "you look familiar" template that already exists, maybe below the main character writeup (above feels like a bad layout choice, pushing all kinds of stuff down.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 02:11, 28 February 2024 (EST)

== Listings and accessories ==

When I was making the description for cannonball based on the Walmart listing, there was mention of a Gatling gun and hammer not shown in the stock images,and left them out.

If I run into this type of situation again, what do I do?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 10:56, 7 March 2024 (EST)

== A few suggestions ==

Gallery pages should only include images that aren't easily accessed by going to the main page, to avoid cluttering. I guess this is not an issue now since the current gallery pages are fairly short.

There should be more dedication in listing alt-modes of characters. Maybe there should be a header or something. For example, if the Dreamwave version of [[Sunstorm (G1)#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Sunstorm]] transforms into an F-16 jet, it should be listed in the beginning with a header for the sake of easy access to the said information.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 13:59, 17 March 2024 (EDT)

== Will we get an article on The Masked Singer? ==

Will there be an article on TFWiki about The Masked Singer, specifically their recent "Transformers Night" episode (https://the-masked-singer.fandom.com/wiki/Transformers_Night)? --[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 20:01, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

: Assuming it's a licensed appearance (I can't check the credits myself :C ), I can't think why it wouldn't be [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 21:15, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

:: It was indeed licensed. --[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 22:30, 12 April 2024 (EDT)
:::Yes, as an official Hasbro-sanctioned piece of TF media, the episode does meet our requirements for inclusion. It just needs someone to write it up. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:22, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

== Franchise articles ==
So I was looking at the franchise pages to try and get an idea of what the standard is supposed to be for how they are written. Should all of them be updated to be more like the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)]] article? What was making me wonder this was that on the [[Transformers: Energon (franchise)]] article it had a section for "Homages" and one for "New characters" which I don't think any other franchise article has. --[[User:1levichurch|1levichurch]] ([[User talk:1levichurch||talk]]) 22:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

== AI upscaled images ==
With fresh offsite talks about the matter, I put forth we add an official policy against posting AI upscaled images of any kind to the wiki, owing to their subpar performance in "enhancing" the quality of images. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 23:52, 1 May 2024 (EDT)
:Agreed. It's literally faking information and presenting it as official. (Also often noticeably terrible.) Sometimes the best quality available of something sucks, but we simply have to deal. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2024 (EDT)
::100 percent agreed. It's called "artificial" for a reason. Plenty of details would be lost out through the upscaling, and several times errors on the wiki somehow became official through Hastak using the wiki for references (the whole [[Circular reporting]] thing). If we start allowing AI upscaled images, then we're likely to have things lost to the annals of time. Potato quality is better than lost quality[[User:Singularity|Singularity]] ([[User talk:Singularity|talk]]) 00:11, 2 May 2024 (EDT)
: Sure. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:43, 2 May 2024 (EDT)

== Ending addition of high-end statues ==
This is something I doubt other people have noticed, but I'm putting down a tent-peg on it: After having built the entries for dozens of high-end collectable TF statues in the last 2-3 years, from firms like Diamond Select, Imaginarium, Azure Sea, XM Studios, etc., and then seeing most of them either officially cancelled or never spoken of again with no reported purchases, I am going to stop adding such items here. If someone else feels like cataloguing them, great.

It really may not be possible for us to keep up with toy-like non-transforming merchandise (figurines and statues) the way we used to. There are at least two ''released'' series of G1 core cast micro-figurines with micro-comics and magnifying glasses, which would have been the rage of the fandom in 2005, that nobody ever got around to adding, and it feels like too much of a chore for me to start. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:35, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
: It's an unfortunate but very real thing that once you enter the world of licensed merch, we're ''gonna'' have big gaps. It's... a lot, on top of the "a lot" that is the regular TF toyline and fictional output today. I've said that the work involved in keeping up with all of TF's merch ought to be a full-time paying job, and I genuinely mean it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:39, 3 May 2024 (EDT)

== Transformers Roleplaying Game releases on the front page and sidebar ==

The [[Transformers Roleplaying Game]] is getting pretty frequent releases of both sourcebooks and pre-written adventures, and it occurs to me that it might be a good idea to have it on the "current releases" section of the front page and/or the navigation sidebar. How would people feel about that? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 15:49, 4 May 2024 (EDT)
: I think that makes a lot of sense, as long as we have people keeping up with the new releases to document them. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:51, 4 May 2024 (EDT)

==How we handle weapons' toy/merch sections==
Okay, so like... I'm not really convinced that what we've been doing is the best way to handle the weapon pages' toys/merch sections. Honestly, they end up looking... really shoddy. There's just tiny scraps of info, vast wads of whitespace, few to no links, the images are tons of different sizes. <br>
I'm thinking that instead of all this... maybe this is a place where a gallery is in order, just a chronological procession. Have the captions just say what lines/toys the weapons came with and link to the toys directly on the character page. It's not like there's much to say about any of these, why not let the toy listing on the character page say it? Why make people scroll through screens of mostly-emptiness, which I feel they're increasingly unlikely to do? I may do a sandbox if I'm feeling up to it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:24, 6 May 2024 (EDT)
:[[User:M Sipher/Sandbox:WeaponPageToysSection]] - So... this, basically. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:39, 6 May 2024 (EDT)
:I'd be on board with that. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:34, 6 May 2024 (EDT)
:I like it. It would be far more compact than our current approach for, say, [[Fusion cannon#Toys]], while still getting the point across. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:13, 10 May 2024 (EDT)

==Proposal for Unproduced or Unreleased Template==
I don't think the Apocrypha template is particularly useful. It was created specifically for Alignment, but most of the things in it don't fit that criteria. Something like Unproduced or Unreleased Transformer media would be more self explanatory. [[User:WillR113|WillR113]] ([[User talk:WillR113|talk]]) 07:05, 11 May 2024 (EDT)

== Use of pictures from ebay, fan sites, etc ==

Is it appropriate to use pictures of toys from ebay, fan reviews, video review screenshots and the like? Under fair use and with source credit? Sometimes rarer items we don't have good pictures of on the wiki show up in these places. In particular I found a ebay seller with good images of EZ collection toys and and old Japanese review blog with images of Takara variants of HFTD/Autobot Alliance toys so that got me wondering. —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 10:10, 12 May 2024 (EDT)
:Images from eBay and other fan sites have been and can continue to be used, giving the fullest source credit feasible. I don't think we've ever needed to rely on video review screenshots and would always prefer to have a "normal" still image instead whenever possible. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:02, 16 May 2024 (EDT)

== ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' “再構成版” エピソード視聴ガイド "Re-Configuration Version" aka "Re-Constructed Version" Episode Viewing Guide ==

We really need to document the "canon" Japanese viewing order for ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' & ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010'' originally included with the ''Pioneer'' Laserdisc booklets & later apparently revised by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] (市川裕文) for the DVD BOX SET 2 Instruction Booklet as it would help clean-up the chronology on many wiki pages here. From what I've been able to gather this particular viewing order differs from both the US/Japan production orders, the US-Airing order and the Japanese-Airing order. So what exactly is the order of the episodes of these two series according to these documents? Does anyone own them and able to list the specific order in which the episodes appear in those LD/DVD "Instruction Booklets" word-for-word? As it stands, we've only mentioned that a "narrative viewing order" exists but do not have it listed anywhere. For further clarification, it is not the order in which the episodes appear on the Japanese DVDs. [[User:Astrobotix|Astrobotix]] ([[User talk:Astrobotix|talk]]) 01:09, 15 May 2024 (EDT)
:While this information would be valuable and is worth documenting, it's unlikely to result in us making any major changes to the way our information is structured. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:31, 16 May 2024 (EDT)
:Okay, having seen the booklets in question, it just lists the episodes in production order, continuity errors and all. So...absolutely no change, then. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:44, 17 May 2024 (EDT)

== Documenting MSRP? ==

Would it be worth documenting MSRP prices (in usd at least)? For the regular retail classes that's for the most part covered by the [[size class]] page, but we don't keep track of them for more specialty items like Masterpieces, multipacks, exclusives, one-off releases not in a normal size class, special lines like Missing Link, etc. It's something I find personally interesting and would've liked to know for older figures and someone in the future might want to know about today's releases. It can also offer some neat bits of info like how Premium Finish releases were generally one price point up compared to the figure's size or how the upcoming United Cliffjumper multipack is a whole $30 off what the individual figures would cost --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 14:20, 21 May 2024 (EDT)
:I think this would be very interesting, particularly when you scroll down pages for G1 toys that got multiple reissues like the Seekers, Insecticons, and tape players. It's just that - like the Designer Notes and the proper insignias on each and every toy - it would take forever to add and would probably wind up being one super-dedicated person having to do most of the work. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:28, 21 May 2024 (EDT)
::I might try to do what I can, going back to recatalogue everything would definitely be a chore. But at the very least I strongly believe it's something we can and should implement for future toy entries. I've started a [[User:BluJayWarrior/Sandbox|MSRP Sandbox]] to try out a few formats, any feedback is appreciated. --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 05:18, 23 May 2024 (EDT)
::Cleaned up the sandbox page. Anyone have anything to say about the format? Might try applying Style 1 to a few pages this weekend if no one makes any objections. [[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 12:58, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
:::Of those options I like Style 1 the best. As you already noted, the [[size class]] pages covers basically all normal U.S. retail from BW through Legacy, missing things like Platinum and MP. To find contemporary G1 prices, here are some good resources:
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20181125082555/https://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf84.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114081109/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf85.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114091052/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf86.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114090836/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf87.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114084922/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf88.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114081716/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf89.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114085830/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf90.html
:::https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/g1-original-retail-price-listing.1167895/
:::I tried looking for G2 MSRP but couldn't find anything as obvious. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:24, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
::::Thanks for the sources, gonna have to sort through that later. Planning to start with new ROTB characters since they're smaller pages and prices can still be found. I've decided to add prices for retail classes for reader convenience; not everyone will know to go to the size class page for them and its not linked often enough to make it reasonable they would. [[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 14:22, 24 May 2024 (EDT)

: I'd been working on a project like this a long time ago, had originally proposed adding this to the wiki, but then kinda stopped... mostly because near as I could tell, the MSRP in the 80s was something retailers could just make the hell up. The price ranges for any given toy were kinda all over the damn place, and the MSRP was something some retailers used to go "no really we're cheaper SEE?" then make up some price they supposedly "discounted" down from... you know, the thing that got Kay-Bee in legal-type troubles. I was increasingly unsure how to handle that wild price variance concisely on the wiki. In fact...
::https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PBE2i9vLE6fkr933GQbXosA1cxIqB3CkOSnzW0BMdwc/edit#gid=448439989
: Take a look-see. There's at least three different MSRP values for the standard Headmasters, never mind actual sticker prices. Like, I ''want'' to provide this kind of context, I really do, and it's pretty easy once we get to the unified price points of BW on... but for G1 and G2? Woof. That's going to take a bit of mulling. "Average" price maybe, but there's gonna be some Prices Georg here and there throwing shit off. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:35, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
::RE: The sandbox... I'm gonna have to vote against Style 1, because, as noted, price info is very likely going to get... cluttered, and the longer that parenthetical is, the worse it is. I'd REALLY like to keep that to just "size class/type (if not obvious) and release year". And don't forget Takara-release prices, which can be more flexible even within a size class... but at least those have been ''extensively'' documented. I think we need to talk about bit more about everything we'd need to cover and ''how'' before we go implementing anything, and get a few more people in on the discussion. (Sorry for all the add-ons, lightly scattered today.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:18, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
:::Fair enough on the old stuff since that gets convoluted, but the newer stuff is comparatively easier to do and I'd rather start sooner before some MSRP prices get harder to find (ROTB Autobots Unite subline prices seem to have disappeared already). Added the ROTB Airazor page I was gonna start with to the sandbox so you can see how the page might look as a whole. Since you object to Style 1 I added a Style 2 version too. --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 18:38, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
:::: Assemble the data, sure, but I am going to say do ''not'' actually apply any of this to live articles. Again, there's barely been any time or discussion on a project that is... vast in scope, and we simply do not jump on stuff like this right away, because that means things will get not considered and then we have to re-do hundreds to thousands of pages... and we absolutely do ''not'' do it when there's a giant obvious gap (the first decade of the franchise) that still needs to be considered, as how we handle ''that'' will affect how we handle all the others, because we try and keep things consistent.
:::: Like, just off the top of my head, there's non-US-or-Japan markets to consider for just about everything normal-retail. Which makes me think we may want to look into a collapsible template, like with the toy designers and voice actors, to handle the other markets without overloading the bullet point sections, some of which are already a bit husky. There's the fact that Walmart and Target just dropped the prices on TF Deluxes in the US... but apparently, Hasbro didn't change their "MSRP"/cost at all. In fact a quick jump to Hasbro Pulse shows they're still charging $25 for a ''Legacy/Studio'' Deluxe, while I can pop to the local Target/Walmart and buy 'em at $20, so we gotta consider ranges just like with G1/G2. And again... ''I'm moderately convinced that "MSRP" in the USA was bullshit all along,'' so I don't know that it's the term we even want to use in the first place. Maybe "Retail price" would be better. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:17, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
:::::I think just documenting the MSRP, if we know it, is enough. No need to go down the rabbit hole of tracking down what individual retailers sell them at when they disregard the MSRP (which as, after all, only a suggested price). In my opinion, at least, it's little different from listing the cover prices of books - the only difference is that Hasbro doesn't print their suggested price directly on the box.
:::::Totally hear you on waiting to the pull the trigger until it's been properly discussed, though. Also, I prefer BluJay's Style 2 as well. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 03:46, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
:::::: Um, the problem is, again... I really don't think we HAVE any actual MSRPs outside of Takara's. What's been cataloged here are just "prices they were sold at", which isn't ''specifically'' a Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price, the specific price suggested specifically by the manufacturer. Those we'd need a source for, and as I've pointed out, the handful of stated "MSRP"s we've seen for Hasbro stuff... well, someone was lying, likely multiple someones. For BW on we have a pretty strong ''inference'' of MSRP, but, well. And even that's not reliable... I just remembered that Walmart and Target were charging markedly different prices for the ''EarthSpark'' Tacticons, like, a $2 diff.
:::::: What I'm saying is, we might want to just not call it "MSRP" because of that (also, frankly I question how many people even recognize that acronym). And because of the wide variance in prices for older stuff, no, we don't need to list every price at every retailer (there were a billion retailers in the 80s... man, remember when actual competition in the market was a thing?), but we really OUGHT to account for the variance somehow, because it can be wide and ''full''. "''Original price''" might be best, since that's what we're actually reporting here, with something like "$2.99 - $4.99 (US) / ¥500 (Japan) <expand>". I'd rather do a range than a single-price "average" on old stuff, especially when we have so MUCH data on what these were sold at across the nation that we can see the trends and when a particularly high or low price is an outlier adn should not have been counted. "Modern" stuff we can certainly ignore, say, Kohl's's higher prices and just do the average probable-MSRP-if-those-actually-exist prices most places (all two of them) charge. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:10, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
::::Alright, I'll make a [[User:BluJayWarrior/MSRP Catalog|separate sub page]] to catalog prices for now while that gets sorted out
::::As Dark T said, I think prioritizing initial Hasbro MSRP is best as it is the "intended" price (this is what [https://brickset.com Brickset] does for Lego). It's a point of consistency since historically different retailers tend have slight variations on the price anyway (Target/Walmart sometimes being slightly lower, Kohls/BBTS being higher, general lag on reflecting the msrp price increases a few years ago, etc) and I don't think that whole range needs to be noted. Admittedly the current Target/Walmart prices drops are pretty unusual (a whole $5?!) but unless it becomes something more widespread I personally wouldn't consider it as a data point. Might be worth making a note of somewhere if anything, though I'm not sure where --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 04:26, 25 May 2024 (EDT)

==Micronauts, etc.==
Why are we suddenly gaining detailed issue write-ups for so much of Micronauts, which contains no TF elements at all? Isn't that the point of the IDW Hasbroverse wiki? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:14, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
:Oh and look, now whole issues of M.A.S.K. written 7 years ago with no TF content whatsoever are being pasted from the Hasbroverse wiki. Is the other site going offline or something? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:26, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
::I don't think it was really our intention to formally unveil the project until we were further along, but some of us have been doing a fair bit of work towards creating a [https://gijoe.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page sister wiki for ''G.I. Joe''] where the [https://gijoe.miraheze.org/wiki/Comics#IDW_Publishing_3 out-of-scope IDW Joe coverage] has already been re-homed. The Joe crew hasn't made any calls about what do with non-Joe stuff to be clear (we're sort of preoccupied, there's so much Joe you guys) but I'm guessing the idea here is to align the rest with our [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive71#Energon Universe coverage|current approach]] to [[Energon Universe|Skybound's shared universe]] and sundown the IDW one? --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 15:43, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
:::That is more or less the intention, yeah. The Hasbroverse wiki was built at a time where it was perhaps anticipated to be grander than it ended up being, and it wasn't certain how long it was going to run; with the end result being "not very", having this other vestigial site for what is ultimately not a lot of content just doesn't feel practical. The exception, of course, is pre-V5 Joe, which has ''always'' been the sticking point in discussions about moving Hasbroverse content here, both for the amount and for how little it has to do with the IDW Transformers line. Having a dedicated Joe wiki solves that problem and frees up the rest of the Hasbroverse stuff to be reintegrated. Plus, there's still new Joe material being released to this day; arguably having a complete and better curated site for the franchise as a whole that continues to be updated with new releases is more likely to drive traffic and get other people to contribute than it would be linking to a dead wiki for a long-ended comic line that's had the same featured articles for five years because no one cares to add anything to it anymore. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:59, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
::::It does look like a rough consensus was reached to do this back in 2021 ([[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive69#Reintegration_of_Hasbroverse_wiki_content|Archive 69]]), it was just never implemented. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:10, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
::Like half of MASK issues have something from Transformers in them. Picking and choosing which select issues to cover here is hair-splitting and obnoxious for readers. It's immensely better to just have all the information in one, easily-accessible spot and regard Hasbro Universe as a de facto spinoff of Transformers, much like Beastformers and Energon Universe are. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:10, 1 August 2024 (EDT)

==One spoilers==
I propose that information about this movie be withheld until it actually opens in its largest market next weekend. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:04, 14 September 2024 (EDT)
: Agreed. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:08, 14 September 2024 (EDT)

==Transformers One and the conversation we've all been waiting for==

On September 12th, Lorenzo di Bonaventura [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/is-transformers-one-a-prequel-optimus-prime-origin-story-exclusive/ clarified the relationship] between ''Transformers One'' and the live-action ''Transformers'' films, describing them as "two universes" that will be "separate". For some, this kind of explicit confirmation may come as a relief after years of wishy-washy answers regarding ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'', but it also leaves us with questions on how to best handle ''One''-related information going forward. Around 2015, we adopted a unique layout we applied to all the movie characters, where we organized their movie appearances at the top of the page, regardless of chronological order of release (see "[[Optimus Prime (Movie)#Movies]]"). Obviously, this leads to some questions regarding how we should handle our ''One'' coverage going forward.

The way I see it, we have three options:

* '''Keep the page format as is, and keep''' '''''One''''' '''up with the rest of the movies''': For obvious reasons I think this is probably our weakest possible solution; it's pretty clear at this point that our current solution for classifying the films is not really sustainable, and mashing them all together under a single loosely-affiliated umbrella is already confusing and frustrating people who aren't intimately acquainted with the mechanics of the wiki.

* '''Reorganize movie character pages so that we acknowledge the live-action films and''' '''''One''''' '''as separate continuities within one continuity family, similar to how our G1 pages cover Sunbow, Marvel, JG1, IDW, etc.''': Historically speaking, this is probably the safest option, but from what I understand there is very little "connective tissue"—visually, character-wise, plot-beats—between the live-action films and ''One'' beyond the inertia of "they were both made by Paramount". As some people have discussed in the past, this could lead to a full or partial reformat of our movie character coverage to more clearly reflect the ambiguous "prequel" status of ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'', but this may be a conversation for another time.

* '''Separate''' '''''One''''' '''as an entirely new continuity family and split out the relevant information so we have pages for "Optimus Prime (One)", "Megatron (One)", etc.''' Probably the most radical proposal, but this is honestly where I'm at right now: from what I understand the movie is a pretty radical departure from everything that's gone before, with entirely new interpretations of old ''Transformers'' lore—I'd classify it as the start of a new "franchise" in the same way that we distinguish ''Earthspark'' and ''Cyberverse'' despite them both clearly drawing on the same well of post-Aligned lore, and these days "new franchise" is generally synonymous with "new continuity family" for the ease of wiki bookkeeping.

We would appreciate hearing your thoughts on the matter! '''As the film is not out yet in all regions please refrain from posting spoilers here'''. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 08:56, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I could see option 3 being the way we go, but what holds me back from that is that beyond just Paramount, Spielberg and Bay are still executive producers on the film. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:39, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

::I think we should put them on the Earthspark Continuity pages to satisfy no-one /j - but yeah, the film is drawing from the same vaguely Binder Of Revelation backstory as everything else for the last 10 years, and unless they have been hiding The Fallen twisting D-16 to evil or the twist that the Creators were the Quintessons all along, One feels pretty decoupled from the rest of the movies. The big issue I see with splitting out fully is that people wondering why we do not do the same for Bumblebee/ROTB, but that more easily passes a "vibe check" as being "Movie-adjacent" and belonging on the same page as the Bay 5-dom than One so far. Agree that trying to put them directly alongside the other movies as a prequel feels both unwieldy and confusing. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 09:41, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I vote for '''option 3''', I think creating separate pages is the way to go. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 09:54, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
::I vote for '''option 2'''. To me the movie is different enough to be a separate universe but not an entirely different continuity. Josh Cooley himself on April 18 when asked whether the film is a fresh start, a prequel to the live-action films, or its own thing, replied with: "yes to all of the above" https://comicbook.com/movies/news/transformers-one-director-confirms-new-movies-canon-status. (And having seen the movie I can confirm those connections to the live-action series do exist). [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 10:05, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I vote for '''option 3'''. One has always felt very different to the previous live action movies so I feel it should get its own dedicated pages. As for BB and ROTB, there is "connective tissue" to the Bayverse movies so I feel they can stay on the pre-existing movie pages. [[User:PublicCrown|PublicCrown]] ([[User talk:PublicCrown|talk]]) 10:25, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Having viewed the film at an advance screening, I think there are easily enough references and homages to previous films that '''option two''' makes the most sense. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 10:45, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

::I'm favorable for the '''3rd option''', it is still produced under Paramount & there are some producers attached to the project that were on previous movies, but my stance is that we should judge based on the final product & having seen the movie, it doesn't try to be in line to what came before (there are some similarities in design & names, but it stops there since every popular TF stories has influence over the next ones), helped by the new team of writers & creatives. If we can treat each new cartoon as its own entity (even tho in recent years they are streamlined in some areas), I think we can do the same for the recent movies that have more contradictory elements to the Bayverse –[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:49, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:'''<nowiki>#3</nowiki>''' is the cleanest option to me. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:32, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I think from a practical perspective, '''#3''' is the only real option. Looking at the loose guidelines for a new family on our [[continuity family]] page:
:*"a fresh continuity" — Yep, even Lorenzo's acknowledged this. Even if we questioned that, there's stuff like the AllSpark being absent (with the Matrix pretty much taking exactly the role the AllSpark would have), Megatronus being a good guy, and Sentinel's role being entirely irreconcilable with Dark of the Moon.
:*"within a separate franchise" — Yep. New franchise, and the marketing hasn't done anything to allude to the live-action films specifically.
:*"significantly different in cast, theme, style, etc." — This is the big sticking point for me. One makes no attempt to align with the visual style or characterisations of the live-action films. The sole real connective point is B-127 (name from ''Bumblebee'', he has the big cheeks and antenna of the movie guy, and his talking a lot is clearly a meta-gag about him losing his voice), but even he's characterised completely differently, as the "comedy crazy guy" who's a peer to Optimus and co instead of the cool-but-rude big brother figure from Bay/Bee/Beasts.
:I'm sympathetic to the Paramount/Bay/Spielberg/Di Bonaventura connective tissue, but my big rebuttal there is that we don't consider ''EarthSpark'' to be Aligned because Nicole Dubuc is the showrunner. Ultimately, if we hadn't had pre-release producer statements (now contradicted) calling it a prequel to the other movies, there's absolutely no way this would be in question — we'd already have it as a separate continuity family. And from a wiki organisation standpoint I don't think there's any way to, say, write up Sentinel Prime's opening paragraph in a way that adequately covers both the DOTM and One characters without genericising it to the point of uselessness. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 12:33, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
::Yeah, I think '''#3''' is straightforward and likely the approach we'd take if we were presented with the film, as a story, with zero context on the studio releasing it or EPs involved or whatever. I also think there's a high likelihood that the next live-action film will have Elita appear and be like "hey Optimus remember when we were in Transformers One?" and we'll all groan and have to reconsider, but until then, I think the real-world context is basically the only thing separating One from just being the next Broadly Aligned-y New Thing like Cyberverse and EarthSpark before it, which we consistently split out for organisation reasons. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 13:45, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Toss me in for '''Option 3''' of an entirely new continuity given how ''different'' the story details has been laid out when compared to the original 2007 film-verse and then later what's set by ''Bumblebee''. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:38, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Voting for '''option #2'''. While we would still have the outlier of TF:TAM 86 being a theatrically released movie in the G1 continuity family, I see no reason why "movie continuity family" would not only include transmedia spinoffs from feature films (''Reign of Starscream'', toy redeco Tech Specs, etc. etc.) but also feature films which are belonging different timelines and story universes. This would also free us from having to reconcile Movie 'Bee's history -- did he come to Earth in the 1940s or the 1980s? -- and put to bed *that* long running argument about whether the Bay-directed films were the same universe as BB and RotB or not -- now they don't have to be! [[User:Banpei the Mini-Con|Banpei the Mini-Con]] ([[User talk:Banpei the Mini-Con|talk]]) 14:58, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Having seen the movie, I think '''#3''' is our cleanest option. Between the Lorenzo interview and, without going into spoilers, the numerous discrepencies there are, I don't think we can get away with suiting it out ala G1. The time may come when we do that for Bumblebee onwards but as far as One goes, I say we treat it as a new continuity. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 19:53, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:'''#3'''. #2 was close for me, but TFOne (having seen the movie) is so artistically different from the live action movies, it feels pointless to keep it on the same page like G1/IDW. Ironically, we could give Bayverse/BB&ROTB the G1/IDW treatment. [[User:Boingus|--Boingus]] ([[User talk:Boingus|talk]]) 23:23, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:I think 3 is where I'm leaning after seeing the film. Keeping this as "movie continuity" simply because it was released theatrically doesn't make sense to me. We wouldn't do that with a new comic or show because it was the same medium, why do it for a movie just because of that? Yes There is some CNA here to the live action films, but it could be argued it has just as much pulled from G1. One is it's own thing in the end. Trying to fit it into the live action movie box just doesn't feel right in this case.--[[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 05:47, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:I vote for '''Option 3''' for all the reasons previously mentioned as well as size concerns. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:29, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:'''Option 3''', I believe the movie was clearly made with a new continuity in mind.-[[User:TitaniumToughGuy|TitaniumToughGuy]] ([[User talk:TitaniumToughGuy|talk]]) 09:38, 16 September 2024 (EDT)

:I'm voting '''Option 3'''; much of my reasons are the same as others have stated above, and I do apologise for opening this bags of worms on the ''One'' talk page. It's not that I don't understand why some people are opposed to creating a new set if pages, but for argument's sake, if ''One'' gets one or more sequels, it would likely draw further away from the established live-action films and become its own continuity/franchise (though that's more of a what-if right now). Overall, I personally think that separating live-action films and animated ones into their own continuities is a reasonable option, and I believe that ''One'' has proven itself a different entity. [[User:Prime Temple|Prime Temple]] ([[User talk:Prime Temple|talk]]) 06:26, 17 September 2024 (EDT)

===CHECKPOINT (2024/09/16)===
*Votes for Option 1: 0
*Votes for Option 2: 3 (GrievousPrime, Archforce, Banpei the Mini-Con)
*Votes for Option 3: 15 (Locoman, AkibaSilver, MrRald, PublicCrown, MahXyme, Saix, Broadside, Jalaguy, Lonegamer, Ezim93, Boingus, ParadoxFactor, Khajidha, TitaniumToughGuy, CyberLink420)
As it stands, current consensus is pretty overwhelmingly in favor of Option 3 by a ratio of 5:1. I know it's only been a day, but barring a sudden swell of support for #2, it might be prudent to start switching everything over. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 10:20, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
: I'm reluctant to make actual changes until the movie hits wide release and the general public can make informed input. Give it a few more days. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 10:40, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::::This. Let people... SEE the movie before we make important decisions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:49, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::::Right. We can wait a few days for more than a small handful of people to see this and base their decision on, you know, '''''the actual movie''''' rather than whatever someone who had something to do with it says ''this'' week, which historically has waffled between "vague" and "contradictory". Hell, even ''now'' some of them are still being all "well maybe it is and maybe it isn't" and frankly I have no faith they won't ride that ambiguity for a long time like they've done since ''Bumblebee''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:49, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::I've said ever since Keegan Michael Key tweeted as much that One should be treated as a separate continuity. '''Option 3''' for sure. {{unsigned|jmcdavid}}
:'''Option 3'''. I've seen the movie and other users have covered why that seems like the best choice. It feels as different from the previous movies as Prime is from Animated, or Earthspark from Sunbow (which, despite directly homaging/referencing Sunbow, Earthspark is considered separate from). [[User:Ashendawn|Ashendawn]] ([[User talk:Ashendawn|talk]]) 18:01, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:I vote '''Option 2'''. There seems to be a large focus on whether or not the film fits in continuity with the prior films, but considering how little they fit with each other that feels irrelevant to me. The creators have been rather unclear whether this film should be considered separate from the ongoing live-action series in terms of production, just in terms of universe. If we had a sense this was the springboard for an entirely separate animated film series I'd say Option 3, but it feels unwarranted at this time. [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 20:29, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:Also '''Option 3''' . In tone, content, continuity, style, story, just feels too different to me from the Michael Bay and other films, really only having the method of release in common. It feels more separate from the other movies than even Cyberverse from G1, and that’s happily separate. —[[User:MissDaria|MissDaria]] ([[User talk:MissDaria|talk]]) 10:05, 17 September 2024 (EDT)

Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)

2024-06-12T02:12:48Z

MissDaria: P-Plus has the episodes in this order.

{{Nav-earthspark}}
[[File:Transformers-EarthSpark-Poster-Nick.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|[[Nick Roche|By Nick,]] [[Nickelodeon|for Nick]].]]
'''''Transformers: EarthSpark'' ''' is an animated series that made its debut in November [[2022]] in support of the [[franchises|franchise]] of [[Transformers: EarthSpark (franchise)|the same name]]. First announced on [[February 25]], [[2021]], alongside ''[[Transformers: BotBots (cartoon)|Transformers: BotBots]]'',<ref>[https://deadline.com/2021/02/nickelodeon-orders-transformers-animated-comedy-series-hasbro-franchise-1234700661/ Nickelodeon Orders 'Transformers' Animated Series Based On Hasbro Franchise — Deadline]</ref> the series was co-produced by [[Entertainment One]], [[Hasbro Entertainment]] and [[Nickelodeon Animation Studio]]. In the U.S., the series premiered on [[Paramount+]] on [[November 11]], 2022 with the first 10 episodes of the season. The series also airs on [[Nickelodeon]], with the first two episodes premiering on the same date as a special preview, and the rest of the series premiering on [[February 10]], 2023; a Japanese release followed in October 2023. The series is currently in its second season, set to premiere in June 2024.

{{Quote|What you are doesn't define who you are. We are all -- MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE!|Tagline}}

==Premise==
Fifteen years after the end of the [[Great War (ES)|war]] between the [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s, young [[human]]s [[Robby Malto|Robby]] and [[Mo Malto]] are struggling to adapt after moving from [[Philadelphia]] to the small town of [[Witwicky (town)|Witwicky]], [[Pennsylvania]]. When they find a [[Emberstone|strange object]] in a cave, it grants them mysterious robotic [[cyber-sleeve]]s and gives life to [[Twitch]] and [[Thrash (ES)|Thrash]]—the first ever [[Transformer]]s to be born on [[Earth]]. Bonded to them through their cyber-sleeves, the Maltos adopt the two [[Terran]]s into their family. The Autobots, now working with [[Megatron (ES)|Megatron]] and the secret human organization [[G.H.O.S.T.]] to protect Earth from the remaining rogue Decepticons, reach out to the Maltos and offer the Terrans the chance to be mentored by [[Bumblebee (ES)|Bumblebee]]. With new threats on the horizon, such as the mad scientist [[Mandroid]] and the various Decepticons still at large, the Maltos work together to keep each other safe and learn more about each other, including what it truly means to be a family.

==Characters==
{{featuredcharacters|
|c1=
*[[Bumblebee (ES)|Bumblebee]] ([[Danny Pudi]])
*[[Optimus Prime (ES)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Alan Tudyk]])
*[[Elita-1 (ES)|Elita-1]] ([[Cissy Jones]])
*[[Wheeljack (ES)|Wheeljack]] ([[Michael T. Downey]])
*[[Grimlock (ES)|Grimlock]] ([[Keith David]])
*[[Arcee (ES)|Arcee]] ([[Martha Marion]])
*[[Cosmos (ES)|Cosmos]] ([["Weird Al" Yankovic]])
|c2=
*[[Megatron (ES)|Megatron]] ([[Rory McCann]])
*[[Starscream (ES)|Starscream]] ([[Steve Blum]])
*[[Swindle (ES)|Swindle]] ([[Nolan North]])
*[[Hardtop (ES)|Hardtop]] (Nolan North)
*[[Skywarp (ES)|Skywarp]] ([[Nicole Dubuc]])
*[[Nova Storm (ES)|Nova Storm]] (Nicole Dubuc)
*[[Soundwave (ES)|Soundwave]] ([[Sean Kenin Reyes]])
**[[Frenzy (ES)|Frenzy]] ([[Tiana Camacho]])
**[[Laserbeak (ES)|Laserbeak]] ([[Jake Green]])
**[[Ravage (ES)|Ravage]]
*[[Breakdown (ES)|Breakdown]] ([[Roger Craig Smith]])
*[[Shockwave (ES)|Shockwave]] ([[Troy Baker]])
*[[Tarantulas (ES)|Tarantulas]] ([[Alfie Allen]])
*[[Bombshell (ES)|Bombshell]]
*[[Shrapnel (ES)|Shrapnel]]
*[[Skullcruncher (ES)|Skullcruncher]]
*[[Brawl (ES)|Brawl]]
|h3=[[Terran]]s||c3=
;Malto family
*[[Twitch]] ([[Kathreen Khavari]])
*[[Thrash (ES)|Thrash]] ([[Zeno Robinson]])
*[[Hashtag (ES)|Hashtag]] ([[Stephanie Lemelin]])
*[[Jawbreaker (ES)|Jawbreaker]] ([[Cyrus Arnold]])
*[[Nightshade (ES)|Nightshade]] ([[Z Infante]])
;Chaos Terrans
*[[Spitfire (ES)|Spitfire]] ([[Zelda Williams]])
*[[Aftermath (ES)|Aftermath]] ([[Flea]])
;Titans
*[[Terratronus]] ([[Claudia Black]])
|h4=[[Human]]s||c4=
;Malto family
*[[Robby Malto]] ([[Sydney Mikayla]])
*[[Mo Malto]] ([[Zion Broadnax]])
*[[Dot Malto]] ([[Benni Latham]])
*[[Alex Malto]] ([[Jon Jon Briones]])
;[[G.H.O.S.T.]]
*[[Karen Croft|Executive Agent Croft]] ([[Kari Wahlgren]])
*[[Mandroid]] ([[Diedrich Bader]])
*[[Jon Schloder|Agent Schloder]] ([[Marc Evan Jackson]])
*[[Bala|Agent Bala]] ([[Krizia Bajos]])
*[[Bagheri|Agent Bagheri]] (Kathreen Khavari)
*[[Kwan|Cadet Kwan]] ([[Sherry Cola]])
*[[Conway|Cadet Conway]] ([[Jason Marsden]])
*[[Rosato|Cadet Rosato]] ([[Kaitlyn Robrock]])
;Others
*[[Fairmaestro]] ([[Richard Ayoade]])
*[[Izzy (ES)|Izzy]] ([[Siena Agudong]])
*[[Smelt|Mr. Smelt]] ([[Daran Norris]])
*[[Mischa]] ([[Grace Lu]])
*[[Bruno Lowe]] ([[Dasan Turner]])
*[[Stevie]] ([[Luca Diaz]])
*[[Sam (ES)|Sam]] ([[Alisha Mullally]])
*[[Taylor (ES)|Taylor]] (Kaitlyn Robrock)
|h5=Others||c5=
*[[Quintus Prime]] ([[Clancy Brown]])
*[[Quintesson Executioner (ES)|Quintesson Executioner]] ([[Fred Tatasciore]])
*[[V.A.L.]] (Cissy Jones)
*[[Arachnamech]]s
*[[Fluffy Ears]]
*[[Dweller (ES)|The Dweller]]
*[[Ghoid]]s
;[[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]]
*[[Blitzwave]] (Nolan North)
*[[Razor-Fin]] (Steve Blum)
|nonumbering=true}}

==Episodes==
{{main|List of EarthSpark episodes}}

===Season 1===
{{collist|4|
# [[Secret Legacy, Part 1]]
# [[Secret Legacy, Part 2]]
# [[Moo-ving In]]
# [[House Rules]]
# [[Classified]]
# [[Traditions]]
# [[Friends and Family]]
# [[Decoy (episode)|Decoy]]
# [[Age of Evolution, Part 1]]
# [[Age of Evolution, Part 2]]
# [[Hashtag: Oops]]
# [[Outtakes]]
# [[Missed Connection]]
# [[Security Protocols]]
# [[Bear Necessities]]
# [[Warzone]]
# [[Home, Part 1]]
# [[Home, Part 2]]
# [[A Stygi Situation]]
# [[Disarmed]]
# [[What Dwells Within]]
# [[Prime Time (episode)|Prime Time]]
# [[Stowed Away, Stowaways]]
# [[The Battle of Witwicky]]
# [[The Last Hope, Part 1]]
# [[The Last Hope, Part 2]]
}}
===Season 2===
{{collist|4|
#[[Aftermath (ES episode)|Aftermath]]
#[[In Ruins]]
#[[Control Alt Delete]]
#[[The Butterfly Effect]]
#[[Togetherness]]
#[[Spitfire (episode)|Spitfire]]
#[[The Imposters]]
#[[Witwicky, Part 1]]
#[[Witwicky, Part 2]]
#[[Dude, Where's My Trailer?]]

}}

==Creative team==
The series is executive produced by [[Ant Ward]], [[Nicole Dubuc]], [[Ciro Nieli]] and [[Dale Malinowski]]. Malinowski is also developing the show alongside [[Claudia Spinelli]] and [[Dana Vasquez-Eberhardt]]. Other staff include story editor [[Mae Catt]]; supervising director [[Glen Murakami]]; storyboard directors [[J.J. Conway]], [[Matthew Humphreys]], [[Alex Kwan]], and [[Jordan Rosato]]; writers [[Isabel Galupo]], [[Maasai Singleton]], and [[Brian Hohlfeld]]; character designers [[Nick Roche]] and [[Angelo Vilar]]; voice director [[Kristi Reed]]; and series composers [[Crush Effect]].

The series is animated using 3D [[computer-generated imagery|CG animation]] by [[Icon Creative Studio]]. For season 2, animation duties were transferred to [[88 Pictures]].

{{stub|New story editors and staff writers for season 2}}

==Home video releases==
;United States
*''Transformers: EarthSpark'' - Season 1: Episodes 1-10 (2023)

==Notes==
* The series was originally planned to premiere on Nickelodeon first, with international releases to follow. At Nickelodeon's upfront in March 2022, a newer announcement clarified that the series would premiere globally on Paramount+ in November 2022.<ref>[https://www.theilluminerdi.com/2022/03/30/transformers-earthspark-november/ Transformers: EarthSpark Rolls Out on Paramount+ This November]</ref> While its presence on the channel itself remained unclear leading up to release, the first two episodes also premiered on Nick the same day, both in the US and most international markets.

===Foreign names===
*''Portuguese:'' '''''Transformers: A Centelha da Terra''''' ("Transformers: EarthSpark")
*''Spanish:'' '''''Transformers: La Chispa de la Tierra''''' ('Transformers: Earth Spark")

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
* [https://www.paramountplus.com/shows/transformers-earthspark/ ''Transformers: EarthSpark'' on Paramount+]
* [https://www.nick.com/shows/transformers-earthspark/ EarthSpark on Nick.com]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Earthspark}}
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[[Category:Television series]]

Wheeljack Kunai

2023-04-23T01:41:26Z

MissDaria:

{{factions|minicon|autobot}}
{{disambig3|Wheeljack}}
:''Wheeljack Kunai is an Autobot [[Mini-Con]] from the [[Aligned continuity family]].''
[[File:Kunai-Earth-Wars.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|'Jack the knife.]]

The [[Arms Micron]] '''Wheeljack Kunai''' (ホイルジャッククナイ ''Hoirujakku Kunai'', also just '''Kunai'''), has taken the form of the Autobot hero [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]].

==Games==
===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===

When Kunai arrived on Earth, their fellow [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System|C.O.M.B.A.T.]] Bots noticed they looked like a “scaled-down [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]”. Kunai explained that they had a bit of hero-worship for the engineer, and this appearance was a tribute.

{{charfictionstub|{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===''Prime''===
[[File:Prime-toy WheeljackKunai.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|]]
*'''Wheeljack Kunai''' (Gacha Arms Micron, 2012)
**''Energon Crystal'': '''HP Cure'''

: Wheeljack Kunai is an [[Arms Micron]] figure that transforms from a robot resembling Wheeljack's robot mode into a dagger, compatible with the Arms Micron weapon system via numerous [[5 mm post|5 mm posts and holes]].

: He was part of the third wave of [[Gacha]] Arms Microns.

{{-}}{{anchor|SpecialEdition}}
[[File:Wheeljack_Kunai_MX.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.66]]
*'''Wheeljack Kunai MX''' (Gacha Arms Micron, March 2013)
**''ID number'': '''6'''
**''Energon Crystal'': '''HP Cure'''

: At the very tail-end of ''Prime'', all twelve Gacha molds were re-released all in one go as a "Special Edition" wave through the capsule machines. The Autobots were cast in clear-blue "Matrix Power Up!" forms, retaining their normal [[paint operation]]s, though the eyes have changed from blue to red (making the toy highly evocative of [[Slicer (G1)|Slicer]]) . Wheeljack Kunai's red and black paint has an added metal-flake sheen not present in the original.
{{--}}

==Notes==
* Typical ''kunai'' have a hoop at the end of the handle, which Wheeljack Kunai lacks. The term does fit with ''Prime'' Wheeljack's portrayal as a samurai in the Japanese dub, except they're more associated with ninjas.
* Wheeljack Kunai and the other Arms Microns with robot modes resembling larger show-cast characters are considered separate characters by this wiki on the grounds that for years, the ''only'' fiction we have on them is the over-arcing backstory of the Arms Microns: non-living weapons were exposed to special [[Earth]] energon and turned into living miniature robots. Obviously, being a new form for Wheeljack doesn't really work with this. ''Earth Wars'' eventually went with this, depicting someone who looks like Wheeljack but isn’t him.

===Wheeljack Kunai Combinations===
'''Named combination weapons including Wheeljack Kunai:'''
* [[Supernova Lance]]

[[Category:Arms Microns]]
[[Category:Blades]]
[[Category:Prime Autobots]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]

Wheeljack Kunai

2023-04-23T01:40:07Z

MissDaria: Earth Wars

{{factions|minicon|autobot}}
{{disambig3|Wheeljack}}
:''Wheeljack Kunai is an Autobot [[Mini-Con]] from the [[Aligned continuity family]].''
[[File:Kunai-Earth-Wars.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|'Jack the knife.]]

The [[Arms Micron]] '''Wheeljack Kunai''' (ホイルジャッククナイ ''Hoirujakku Kunai'', also just '''Kunai'''), has taken the form of the Autobot hero [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]].

==Games==
===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===

When Kunai arrived on Earth, his fellow [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System|C.O.M.B.A.T.]] Bots noticed they looked like a “scaled-down [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]”. Kunai explained that they had a bit of hero-worship for the engineer, and this appearance was a tribute.

{{charfictionstub|{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===''Prime''===
[[File:Prime-toy WheeljackKunai.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|]]
*'''Wheeljack Kunai''' (Gacha Arms Micron, 2012)
**''Energon Crystal'': '''HP Cure'''

: Wheeljack Kunai is an [[Arms Micron]] figure that transforms from a robot resembling Wheeljack's robot mode into a dagger, compatible with the Arms Micron weapon system via numerous [[5 mm post|5 mm posts and holes]].

: He was part of the third wave of [[Gacha]] Arms Microns.

{{-}}{{anchor|SpecialEdition}}
[[File:Wheeljack_Kunai_MX.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.66]]
*'''Wheeljack Kunai MX''' (Gacha Arms Micron, March 2013)
**''ID number'': '''6'''
**''Energon Crystal'': '''HP Cure'''

: At the very tail-end of ''Prime'', all twelve Gacha molds were re-released all in one go as a "Special Edition" wave through the capsule machines. The Autobots were cast in clear-blue "Matrix Power Up!" forms, retaining their normal [[paint operation]]s, though the eyes have changed from blue to red (making the toy highly evocative of [[Slicer (G1)|Slicer]]) . Wheeljack Kunai's red and black paint has an added metal-flake sheen not present in the original.
{{--}}

==Notes==
* Typical ''kunai'' have a hoop at the end of the handle, which Wheeljack Kunai lacks. The term does fit with ''Prime'' Wheeljack's portrayal as a samurai in the Japanese dub, except they're more associated with ninjas.
* Wheeljack Kunai and the other Arms Microns with robot modes resembling larger show-cast characters are considered separate characters by this wiki on the grounds that for years, the ''only'' fiction we have on them is the over-arcing backstory of the Arms Microns: non-living weapons were exposed to special [[Earth]] energon and turned into living miniature robots. Obviously, being a new form for Wheeljack doesn't really work with this. ''Earth Wars'' eventually went with this, depicting someone who looks like Wheeljack but isn’t him.

===Wheeljack Kunai Combinations===
'''Named combination weapons including Wheeljack Kunai:'''
* [[Supernova Lance]]

[[Category:Arms Microns]]
[[Category:Blades]]
[[Category:Prime Autobots]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]

Wheeljack Kunai

2023-04-23T01:35:20Z

MissDaria: Edited the ‘this is the only fiction’ bit now he’s active in Earth Wars.

{{factions|minicon|autobot}}
{{disambig3|Wheeljack}}
:''Wheeljack Kunai is an Autobot [[Mini-Con]] from the [[Aligned continuity family]].''
[[File:Kunai-Earth-Wars.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|'Jack the knife.]]

The [[Arms Micron]] '''Wheeljack Kunai''' (ホイルジャッククナイ ''Hoirujakku Kunai'', also just '''Kunai'''), has taken the form of the Autobot hero [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]].

==Games==
===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
{{charfictionstub|{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}}}
{{--}}

When Kunai arrived on Earth, his fellow C.O.M.B.A.T. Bots noticed they looked like a “scaled-down [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]”. Kunai explained that they had a bit of hero-worship for the engineer, and this appearance was a tribute.

==Toys==
===''Prime''===
[[File:Prime-toy WheeljackKunai.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|]]
*'''Wheeljack Kunai''' (Gacha Arms Micron, 2012)
**''Energon Crystal'': '''HP Cure'''

: Wheeljack Kunai is an [[Arms Micron]] figure that transforms from a robot resembling Wheeljack's robot mode into a dagger, compatible with the Arms Micron weapon system via numerous [[5 mm post|5 mm posts and holes]].

: He was part of the third wave of [[Gacha]] Arms Microns.

{{-}}{{anchor|SpecialEdition}}
[[File:Wheeljack_Kunai_MX.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.66]]
*'''Wheeljack Kunai MX''' (Gacha Arms Micron, March 2013)
**''ID number'': '''6'''
**''Energon Crystal'': '''HP Cure'''

: At the very tail-end of ''Prime'', all twelve Gacha molds were re-released all in one go as a "Special Edition" wave through the capsule machines. The Autobots were cast in clear-blue "Matrix Power Up!" forms, retaining their normal [[paint operation]]s, though the eyes have changed from blue to red (making the toy highly evocative of [[Slicer (G1)|Slicer]]) . Wheeljack Kunai's red and black paint has an added metal-flake sheen not present in the original.
{{--}}

==Notes==
* Typical ''kunai'' have a hoop at the end of the handle, which Wheeljack Kunai lacks. The term does fit with ''Prime'' Wheeljack's portrayal as a samurai in the Japanese dub, except they're more associated with ninjas.
* Wheeljack Kunai and the other Arms Microns with robot modes resembling larger show-cast characters are considered separate characters by this wiki on the grounds that for years, the ''only'' fiction we have on them is the over-arcing backstory of the Arms Microns: non-living weapons were exposed to special [[Earth]] energon and turned into living miniature robots. Obviously, being a new form for Wheeljack doesn't really work with this. ’’Earth Wars’’ eventually went with this, depicting someone who looks like Wheeljack but isn’t him.

===Wheeljack Kunai Combinations===
'''Named combination weapons including Wheeljack Kunai:'''
* [[Supernova Lance]]

[[Category:Arms Microns]]
[[Category:Blades]]
[[Category:Prime Autobots]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]

Talk:New body

2023-02-07T14:16:31Z

MissDaria: Wreck-Gar’s invocation.

==Move?==
I think we can move the article into "New form" or "New appearance" and make a notion about ''New body'' (''BW'' Silverbolt and ''BM'' Jetstorm) and ''New appearance''(which means the characters still use their old body, such as TM2 Cheetor). --'''[[User:TX55|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 06:01, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
:This article really does need a better name, though I can't seem to think of one that fits. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 04:06, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
::I agree. "Exostructural upgrade", maybe? I don't think there is a consistent official term.... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:08, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
:::I never thought "new body" was a ''good'' name for the article, but couldn't think of anything better. "Exostructural upgrade" sounds too official and is not really accurate. A lot of times a the new body is more powerful, which would be more than just a exostructural upgrade. Likewise "new appearance" since it would not be just the appearance that is new, they would have new abilities as well. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:46, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

==Coverage==
So, how much exactly does this article cover? All the examples so far seem to be of characters getting a new toy mould, but what about those that didn't? ''RiD'' for example - when the Autobot Brothers got temporary upgrades thanks to the burning angst of Magnus. They were new bodies in that they looked different (in the paint schemes) and were more powerful, but they were the same moulds. Ditto ''RiD'' Megatron -> Galvatron. Do they count? How about [[binary bonding]]? They were new moulds, but they were meant to be the same bodies, and the upgrade they represented was a lot more significant than Bumblebee -> Goldbug, for example. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 13:14, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
:[[Binary bonding]] and [[spontaneous recoloration]] have their own articles, are not really examples of getting a new body I don't think. RID Galvatron went from a six-changer to a ten-changer, and in-fiction he seems to be depicted as getting a new body, so I think he counts. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:34, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
::Most of the methods listed have their own articles. Since the title is being disputed anyway, I reckon the page should be expanded to include all this kind of stuff (plus things like Action Masters), where there are major changes to the Transformers' physiology in-fiction, not just their toy mould. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 17:17, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
:::I don't really understand where you are going with this. Getting a Targetmaster partner doesn't involve getting a new body. Even getting a new head doesn't mean getting a new body. Action Masters have basically lost the ability to Transform in their same body. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:33, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
::::That's why I said "I reckon the page should be ''expanded'' to include all this kind of stuff", so it's about "major changes to the Transformers' physiology", not just their bodies, seeing as the "body" part of the title is in dispute anyway. Isn't it really only because the word "body" is in the title that we're having this discussion at all? - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 17:41, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Oh. I got you. I personally don't really see the usefulness in tying all of those various things together. But you got me thinking. I do think the scope of the article is wrong somehow. Taking on a different alternate mode with basically the same body doesn't quite seem like the Transformer is getting a "new body" either. Transmetals pretty much have the same body too, just mutated. I might be in favor of scrapping the article except getting a new body is treated as a pretty big deal in fiction, because of toys of course. Hmm... - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:14, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::''"Transmetals pretty much have the same body too, just mutated."'' That was my thinking, as well. The only truly "new bodies" anyone gets are through transference, otherwise they're just upgrades of the old bodies, which is why I'm questioning the inclusion of certain upgrades over other, arguably more major ones. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 18:41, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

==Cybertron==
Also, when did anyone in Cybertron ever get a new body by "believing in himself" and "causing a spontaneous upgrade into a new body"? That never happened, it was always something to do with the Cyber Planet Keys/Primus/whatever, but there was still always a reason for it. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 17:02, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
:I originally had "Omega lock + burning justice". When I watched the show, I understood it to be the Omega lock that actually did the upgrading, but it didn't do it on its own, it was definitely triggered by the Transformer believing in himself or some such. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:08, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
::That part should nevertheless be reformatted because as it is now, it's saying that TFs got new bodies in Cybertron out of nowhere, which never happened. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 17:11, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

==Top picture==
Given that the Wiki tries to be sensitive about such things, is Wreck-Gar screaming ‘JIM’LL FIX IT!’ the best choice of picture, given the connotations of that series and the man who hosted it? —[[User:MissDaria|MissDaria]] ([[User talk:MissDaria|talk]]) 09:16, 7 February 2023 (EST)

Talk:Road Rocket (G2)

2022-06-25T12:25:26Z

MissDaria:

I happily stand corrected on the type of motorbike, I got Kawasaki Ninja from the [http://www.bwtf.com/tfrid/toys/reviews/sidewaysaxer/index.shtml#sideways BWTF.com review] of RiD Sideways.

I dimly recall that Robot Masters Road Rocket is supposed to be his form from prior to G2. Is that correct? Also, he's either stationed on Charr or somehow a native of Charr? I'm very shaky on my Robot Masters fiction. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 06:52, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Do we know that Road Rocket's Legacy/Speedia 500 incarnation is female, or is that an assumption from being based on Arcee's mould? --[[User:MissDaria|MissDaria]] ([[User talk:MissDaria|talk]]) 05:47, 25 June 2022 (EDT)

They reffered to road rocket as female in the livestream event.[[User:Walkers crisps|Walkers crisps]] ([[User talk:Walkers crisps|talk]]) 05:55, 25 June 2022 (EDT)
* Ah, gotcha. --[[User:MissDaria|MissDaria]] ([[User talk:MissDaria|talk]]) 08:25, 25 June 2022 (EDT)

Talk:Road Rocket (G2)

2022-06-25T09:47:17Z

MissDaria: 2022 character gender.

Transformers the Movie (Ladybird adaptation)

2021-11-21T10:09:27Z

MissDaria: Minor references.

{{Comicstory|Transformers the Movie
|seriesissue=[[Ladybird Books]]
|prev=
|next=
|title=Transformers the Movie
|image=TFTM Ladybird adaption cover.jpg
|caption=
|publisher=Ladybird Books
|date=1986
|coverdate=
|ISBN= ISBN 9780721410098<br>ISBN 0-72141-009-X
|adaptation by=[[John Grant]]
|designed by=[[Howard Matthews]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
}}
'''A retelling of the events of [[The Transformers: The Movie]] in an illustrated storybook format.'''

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (1)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (2)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (5)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] (8)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (9)
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (15)
*[[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (16)
*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (17)
*[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (18)
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] (21)
*[[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (22)
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (30)
*[[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (31)
*[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] (32)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (34)
*[[Springer (G1)|Springer]] (35)
*[[Kup (G1)|Kup]] (36)
*[[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] (43)
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (44)
*Rodimus Prime (47)
|c2=
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (3)
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (4)
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (6)
*[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (10)
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (11)
*[[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] (12)
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (13)
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] (14)
*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] (19)
*[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (20)
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] (23)
*[[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] (25)
*[[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] (26)
*[[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] (27)
*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (28)
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] (29)
|c3=
*[[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]] (7)
*[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (33)
|c4=
*[[Unicron]] (24)
*[[Auto-combatant]] (37)
*[[Allicon]]s (38)
*[[Kranix (G1)|Kranix]] (39)
*[[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]]s (40)
*Judge-type [[Quintesson]] (41)
*Prosecutor-type Quintesson (42)
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] (45)
*[[Junkion (species)|Junkions]] (46)
}}

==Notes==
*The "illustrations" in this story are simply stills from the film.
*Transformer deaths are understandably scaled back in this adaptation. For example, when the Decepticons attack [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]'s shuttle, it simply says, "the Autobot crew had been overcome".
*Unicron is described as "snow-capped" in planet mode.
*The combat drone [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] spars with is called the [[auto-combatant]].
*Many, but not all, of the spoken lines are direct quotes from the movie.
*As in the Marvel UK stories, the [[Quintesson]] [[Quintessa (planet)|homeworld]] is "Quintesson" rather than "Quintessa".

===Differences with the movie===
*The scene of Unicron attacking [[Lithone (planet)|Lithone]] is left out.
*In the beginning, when [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] was spying on [[Moonbase One|Moonbase 1]], he is actually hidden in a computer console in tape mode.
*Nobody says "[['Til all are one]]" at the end.

==Errors==
*A portrait of Rodimus Prime is labeled "Hot Rod". Indeed, the text still calls Rodimus "Hot Rod" even after he opens the Matrix and hears Optimus' voice.
*At Starscream's coronation, the text says Thrust and Ramjet are standing on either side of Starscream, but the still shows Astrotrain and Ramjet.
*A still is misplaced. It shows [[Kup (G1)|Kup]]'s crew and [[Springer (G1)|Springer]]'s crew together on the bridge of a ship before they met back up.

==External links==
*[https://web.archive.org/web/20110204164540/http://www.green-ranger.com/stuff/ladybird/00-tftm/ ''Transformers: The Movie'' at green-ranger.com]

[[Category:Adaptations]]
[[Category:Ladybird Books]]

The Transformers: The Movie/references

2021-11-21T09:36:35Z

MissDaria: Cyberverse Soundwave is superior again.

{{stub}}

[[File:Tftm prime megs finalblow.jpg|upright=1.25|thumb|"Stop beating this dead horse, Prime."<br>'''''"NEVER!"''''']]
This page quotes stories that quote ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.

==Quotes==
===ONE SHALL STAND, ONE SHALL FALL===
*"I would've waited an eternity for this. It's over. Prime." —''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity#Armada cartoon|Megatron]], one of the three trailers for the ''[[Transformers (PS2)|Transformers: Armada]]'' video game.
*"Only one shall stand, Galvatron! It ends here!"
:"NEVER!!"
:"At last, the Universe will be freed from your evil!" —''[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Cybertron]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity#Cybertron cartoon|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity#Cybertron cartoon|Galvatron]], "[[Unfinished]]"
*"At the end of this day... one shall stand; one shall fall." —[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], the live-action ''[[Transformers (film)|Transformers]]'' movie
*"Enough! This is between you and me, [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] — one shall stand, one shall fall! Let's finish this." —Optimus Prime, "[[Transformers Comic issue 12|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 4]]"
*"Today, one shall stand, and one shall fall." —Optimus Prime, the ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' video game
*"Face it… ''it’s over, Prime!''"
:''"Never!"'' —''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]] and [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]], "[[Do Over]]"
*"One shall stand..."
:"...One shall fall." —[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]], the intro for ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)|War for Cybertron]]''
*"One shall fall..." —The title of the final boss fight against [[Trypticon (WFC)|Trypticon]] in that same game
*"One shall stand, one shall fall." —Optimus Prime, the ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]'' episode "[[Darkness Rising, Part 5]]"
*"Never, Megatron. One shall stand, one shall fall." —Optimus Prime again, only as a figment of Megatron's imagination, "[[Sick Mind]]"
*"Megatron, today you answer for your crimes against Cybertron... and against humanity. One shall stand..."
:"...And one shall fall. ''You,'' Optimus Prime!" —Optimus Prime and Megatron in, ahem, "[[One Shall Fall]]"
*"Today—'''one''' shall stand, and '''two''' shall fall!"
:''(WRUNK)''
:"No cliches, Galvatron." —[[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]], ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise]]'' issue #55: "[[All Hail Optimus Part 6: No Fair Fights]]"
*"[[One Shall Fall...]]" —The title of a week-long ''[[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Transformers Legends]]'' event

===WHY THROW AWAY YOUR LIFE SO RECKLESSLY?===
*"Why throw away your life so recklessly, Prime? It's a pity it has to end like this."
:"That's a question you should ask yourself, Galvatron! I will finish you!" —''[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Cybertron]]'' [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity#Cybertron cartoon|Galvatron]] and [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity#Cybertron cartoon|Optimus Prime]], "[[Unfinished]]"

===WAIT, I STILL FUNCTION!===
*"I still function. You haven't... won. Not while my spark... still burns..." —''[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Cybertron]]'' [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity#Cybertron cartoon|Galvatron]]'s last words, "[[Unfinished]]"
*"Wait...I still...function..." —[[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]], ''[[The Transformers: Monstrosity]]'' [[Derelicts|issue #1]]

===SOUNDWAVE SUPERIOR===
*"Soundwave superior, Autobots inferior." —''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]'' [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]], "[[Human Error, Part II]]"
*''"Soundwave superior. Autobots inferior."'' —''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]'' [[Soundwave (WFC)|Soundwave]], "[[Minus One]]"
*''"Soundwave superior. Soundwaves inferior."'' —''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Cyberverse]]'' [[Soundwave (Cyberverse)|Soundwave]], "[[The End Of The Universe IV]]"
*''"Soundwave superior. Tarn...most inferior."'' —''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Cyberverse]]'' [[Soundwave (Cyberverse)|Soundwave]], "[[The Perfect Decepticon]]"

==Now, all we need is a little Energon... and a ''lot'' of references.==
[[File:Echoes and Fragments cover.jpg|upright=0.75|thumb|[[Furmanism|It never ends!]]]]
Of course [[Transformers: The Movie (Marvel comic)|the ''Transformers: The Movie'' Marvel comic]], [[Transformers the Movie (Ladybird adaptation)|the ''Transformers the Movie'' Ladybird book]] and [[Transformers: The Animated Movie|the ''Transformers: The Animated Movie'' IDW comic]] cribbed dialogue and plot from the '86 movie, seeing as they're all ''adaptations'' of it, but several original stories stand out for leaning on it a little more heavily than most:
*"[[They were always real to me.]]" - a short CGI reimagining of Optimus Prime and Megatron's iconic battle, released to promote [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|the 2008 ''Universe'' toyline]]
*''[[The Transformers (Madman)|The Transformers]]'' - a short comic released by [[Madman Entertainment]] that bridges the gap between [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the original cartoon]]'s second season and the movie
*''[[Rodimus vs. Cyclonus]]'' - a pack-in comic from [[IDW Publishing]] set during the events of the movie
*''[[The Transformers: Autocracy]]'', ''[[The Transformers: Monstrosity|Monstrosity]]'' and ''[[The Transformers: Primacy|Primacy]]'' - three reference-ridden miniseries co-written by [[Flint Dille]] (one of the writers on the original cartoon, and story consultant for the movie) set in IDW Publishing's [[2005 IDW continuity|original continuity]]
*''[[Another Light]]'' - the ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)|Shattered Glass]]'' version of ''The Transformers: The Movie'', published in seven parts through the official [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]
*''[[Echoes and Fragments]]'' - the ''[[GoBots]]'' version of the movie, released by the Club via [[Ask Vector Prime]]
*''[[Transformers: Deviations]]'' - a one-shot from [[IDW Publishing]] that provides an alternate version of the movie where Optimus Prime does not die
*[[Prime Wars Trilogy#Cartoons|The ''Prime Wars'' Trilogy]] - three cartoon series produced by [[Machinima]], the dialogue for which seems to consist mostly of half-remembered movie quotes

Consider this page a cautionary tale.

[[Category:Fandom]]

Talk:Circuit (G1)

2021-11-12T01:41:29Z

MissDaria: Spiv or reporter?

[[Image:Circuit_Power_Plans.jpg|thumb|right|]]
Should the lead-in really be about Circuit as a slick wheeler-dealer when every fictional portrayal has them as some kind of journalist/documentarian? —[[User:MissDaria|MissDaria]] ([[User talk:MissDaria|talk]]) 20:41, 11 November 2021 (EST)

Kingdom episode 1

2021-07-29T10:36:46Z

MissDaria: Subs

{{episode|
|otherseries=''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy: Kingdom]]''
|image=
|prev=Earthrise episode 6
|next=Kingdom episode 2
|title=Episode 1
|airdate=[[July 29]], [[2021]] (Netflix)
|production company=[[Allspark Animation]], [[Rooster Teeth]], [[Entertainment One]]
|written by=[[Mae Catt]]
|director=[[Takashi Kamei]]
|animation studio=[[Polygon Pictures]]
}}
'''The Autobots and Decepticons crash land on Earth, meeting their descendents—the Maximals and Predacons respectively.'''

'''Also, a truck load of exposition.'''

==Synopsis==
The [[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]] burns up in its descent to the [[Earth]]'s surface, while the [[Decepticon]]s onboard are violently thrown about their bridge. [[Starscream (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Starscream]] and [[Megatron (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Megatron]] both freak out over their predicament, and the Nemesis shortly crashes in a lavish jungle on the surface. Megatron receives a vision of Unicron's abduction via teleportation and alleged punishment of Galvatron, including the glimpse of a [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]]. Megatron awakens from his vision, and ties the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to his chest via crude metal straps.

The [[Autobot]]s slowly recover from their unconsciousness, with [[Ratchet (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Ratchet]] expressing gratitude that they survived the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'s crash landing. [[Optimus Prime (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Optimus Prime]] calls for [[Wheeljack (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Wheeljack]], who checks the surrounding area and discovers that they crash landed next to an active volcano, not to mention serious ship system failures. Optimus realises he is leaking [[Energon]], but assures Ratchet he'll be okay. Wheeljack discovers [[Teletraan I]] isn't 100% out of commission—it is ''mumbling'' something. Optimus orders Wheeljack to fix the ship and reiterates the importance of locating the [[AllSpark#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Allspark]].

Bumblebee notices an [[Cheetor (BW)|Earthen beast]] on the ship's monitor and becomes nervous about its whereabouts. Wheeljack then finds another [[Rattrap (BW)|organic creature]] in the Ark's underbelly, and the ship's crew are suddenly attacked by a [[Rhinox (BW)|horned mammal]] and a [[Tigatron|white feline]]! The creature Bumblebee spotted arrives on the ship and sees through [[Mirage (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Mirage]]'s holographic field.

Optimus Prime shoots the organic creatures with his [[Ion blaster]] to halt their attack, but is assaulted by a [[Optimus Primal (BW)|huge ape]] who floors him. As Optimus throws his assailant off, he transforms into a robot form eerily similar to Optimus himself. The other organics reveal their Cybertronian modes, and Optimus Primal vehemently denies any affiliation with the Nemesis ship and orders Optimus's team to cease their attack. Primal refuses to believe that his opponent is the original Optimus Prime and demands that he sees the Matrix of Leadership for validation of Prime's title. Prime begins to suffers from his wound more seriously, forcing Ratchet to intervene between the two's fight to tend to the Autobot leader.

A [[Airazor (BW)|winged organic]] spots [[Laserbeak (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Laserbeak]] flying around the Nemesis. Megatron orders his troops to work on the ship so they can leave Earth, and asserts his desire to locate the Allspark and repeats his BS about "saving Cybertron". Megatron turns down Starscream's request to scout the area, while [[Soundwave (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Soundwave]] reports that Laserbeak has spotted intruders. Wonder who that might be...

The Decepticons wander into the jungle, and find a [[Megatron (BW)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|big purple dinosaur]] who recognises Megatron as his ancestor and showers him with praise. The new Megatron and his partner [[Dinobot (BW)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Dinobot]] reveal their robot modes and bow to the Decepticons. "Beast" Megatron shows the original Megatron the Golden Disk.

Back at the Ark, Prime barely recovers from his wound and asks [[Prowl (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Prowl]] for information on their visitors. Optimus Primal suggests to his [[Maximal]]s that they salvage materials from the Ark to fix [[Axalon (BW)|their ship]] and leave the Autobots behind. Rightfully enraged, Bumblebee demands that the Maximals explain themselves, but Primal churlishly says they owe the Autobots ''nothing''. However, Prime offers an alliance with their former attackers, recounts their dreadful journey through space, and offers to donate parts to the Maximal cause. Primal insults Prime for losing the Allspark, which caused the downfall of Cybertron and the Maximals' suffering for it. When Prime explains his quest to find the Allspark lost on Earth, Primal realises that the restoration of Cybertron would wipe out his crew—the Maximals come from a dystopian future timeline where the Allspark was never returned to Cybertron. Tigatron receives a transmission from his comrade Airazor in distress, causing Optimus to realise the Decepticons are also on Earth...

"Beast" Megatron explains the origins of the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s to the original Megatron: they were the few survivors of the mostly extinct alternate Cybertron who travelled to Earth. When the first Megatron questions why they went to Earth, of all places, "Beast" Megatron asserts that he specifically wanted to join forces with the Decepticons and deliver the Golden Disk to his ancestor—the disk contains all of Megatron's past, present and future memories and also tracks his Energon signature. When the original Megatron suspects treachery on "Beast" Megatron's behalf, he explains that his existence from the alternate future of Cybertron is essentially proof that Optimus never succeeded to retrieve the Allspark.

Starscream expresses disgust at the sycophantic Predacons and his lack of recognition from his peers, when the arachnoid Predacon [[Blackarachnia (BW)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Blackarachnia]] sneaks up on Starscream to polish his wounded ego, and the two similarly deceptive 'cons form an alliance.

Meanwhile, the Autobots and Maximals struggle to trust each another, with Rattrap suggesting the discovery of the Allspark will halt the alternate timeline and avert the Maximals' existence, but the idealistic Cheetor argues that stopping Megatron is more important than safeguarding their own existence. The Maximals' winged spy Airazor is spotted by Laserbeak and gunned down, enabling Soundwave to drag her back to the Nemesis at the mercy of the two Megatrons...

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=[[Autobot]]s / [[Maximal]]s|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Optimus Prime]] (9)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Bumblebee]] (10)
*[[Mirage (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Mirage]] (11)
*[[Ratchet (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Ratchet]] (12)
*[[Hound (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Hound]] (13)
*[[Ironhide (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Ironhide]] (14)
*[[Wheeljack (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Wheeljack]] (15)
*[[Arcee (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Arcee]] (16)
*[[Cheetor (BW)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Cheetor]] (17)
*[[Rattrap (BW)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Rattrap]] (18)
*[[Rhinox (BW)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Rhinox]] (19)
*[[Tigatron#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Tigatron]] (20)
*[[Optimus Primal (BW)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Optimus Primal]] (21)
*[[Airazor (BW)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Airazor]] (22)
*[[Prowl (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Prowl]] (26)

|h2=[[Decepticon]]s / [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s|c2=
*[[Megatron (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Megatron]] (1)
*[[Starscream (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Starscream]] (2)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Thundercracker]] (3)
*[[Astrotrain (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Astrotrain]] (4)
*[[Reflector (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Refraktor]] (5)
*[[Soundwave (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Soundwave]] (6)
*[[Galvatron (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Galvatron]] (8)
*[[Laserbeak (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Laserbeak]] (23)
*[[Megatron (BW)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|"Beast" Megatron]] (24)
*[[Dinobot (BW)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Dinobot]] (25)
*[[Blackarachnia (BW)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Blackarachnia]] (27)

|h3=Others|c3=
*[[Unicron/Generation 1#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Unicron]] (7)
}}

==Notes==

*The subtitles differentiate the "Beast" and "Generation 1" Megatrons by identifying the former as "Predacon Megatron".

===Transformers references===
*Rhinox name drops the [[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]] from the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|'90s cartoon]].
*Arcee mentions that she wouldn't be surpised if the Maximals were [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]]s in disguise.

===Trivia===
*[[Megatron (BW)|"Beast Era" Megatron]] is portrayed as much more affable and mellow compared to his disingenuously polite '90s counterpart; acting as a sort of fanboy to the "original" Megatron and getting sycophantic with the Decepticons.
*Geez, Optimus Primal is an ''asshole'' in this show.

===Foreign localization===

[[Category:War for Cybertron: Kingdom]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron Trilogy episodes]]