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Generations Selects Special Comic Finale Prelude

2026-01-13T02:44:22Z

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|japanese=最終回前編
|romaji=Saishūkai Zenpen
|publisher=[[TakaraTomy Mall]]
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|date=[[February 26]], [[2021]]
|continuity=[[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity]], [[Precursor World continuity|Precursor World]]
|manga=[[Hayato Sakamoto]]
|additional art by=[[Akira Amemiya]] (p 11, panel 4)<br>[[Lebanon Sugi]]
|colorist=[[Ricken]] (1, 16p)<br/>[[Lebanon Sugi]] (2, 10p)<br/>[[Josh Perez]] (3, 4, 5, 11p)<br/>[[Kyarara Rena]] (9p)<br/>[[Gufu Kandagawa]] (12–15p)<br/>[[Rui Onishi]] (17p)<br/>[[Yuki Ohshima]] (18p)
|editor=[[Kouji Nimura]]
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'''Everything past, present, and future has been building up to the fruition of Primus's plan.'''

==Synopsis==
{{nonlinear}}
A long, long time ago in a universe far, far away...

''The [[Primus Vanguard]] was founded by the golden warrior [[Primus#The old universe|Primus]] and was made up of the Warriors of the Seven Lights that came from [[The One|G One]]. However, their universe came to be attacked by the [[Vok]], after they failed in the next universe's [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]]. To stop them, Primus summoned [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Generations Selects Special Comic (2)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Generations Selects Special Comic|Galvatron]] from the next universe, as the former had the power to stop the Vok while the latter had the capability to merge with them. Optimus Prime was granted the [[Silver Matrix]] and evolved into Star Convoy, enabling him to defeat the Vok. Primus then entrusted him with the task of gathering the seven [[Star Power]]s and completing the Silver Matrix. The seven Star Powers were contained in seven Matrices that the seven leaders of the Primus Vanguard held. One who gathered all seven would hold power over creation.''

''As this "[[Precursor World]]" preceded Optimus Prime and Galvatron's "[[G1 World|Known World]]", the being who controlled the Silver Matrix and its creative energies would become god of the Known World. The situation in the Precursor World became complicated when an unknown party brought in the [[Seacon (BW)|Seacons]] as part of a plan to bring about a desired future. Also plotting was [[Primacron]], later creator of [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] in the Known World. With his [[Angolmois Energy]], he sought to become god of the newer universe, and Primus brought forth the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] to stop Primacron as they did in the future. Within all of this chaos, the climax is approaching...''

''Many years prior to the confluence of past and future, [[Brightes|Blue Brightes Convoy]] dies in battle against the [[Specter]]s. On his deathbed, he leaves leadership of the [[Blue Order]] to [[Blue Big Convoy|Big]], and the loyal soldier takes on the mantle of Blue Big Convoy as the [[Straxus (G1)#Precursor World|twin Straxuses]] watch. [[Yellow Splendid Convoy]] reports the death of Brightes to Primus. In this time, the Precursor World is actually seven universes that the Primus Vanguard protects, although they are menaced by the inversion of their light, the Specters. Indeed, no matter how bright their Matrices shine to rid themselves of Specters, their light merely casts new shadows. After an incident where Blue Big Convoy manages to annihilate a group of Specters using maximum output from his [[α Matrix|α Matrix Cannon]], [[White Gallant Convoy]] realizes that conserving their light is merely a stopgap measure; what they must do is create a light so powerful that it cast no shadow. Big agrees with the idea, proposing that they release the full power of all seven Matrices at once. The plan is agreed on and the release of all seven Star Powers merges the seven universes into one without the Specters.''

''Months prior to Optimus Prime's arrival, [[Green Tender Convoy]] announces that the Vok are attacking the [[Green Planet]], so Primus sends the [[Sentinel Armada]] to deal with the threat. The Vanguard leaders gather to discover the nature of this Vok threat, and Gallant explains that [[Matrix Saber|his Matrix]] has traced their origins to the future, and so Primus uses the [[Black Legendisc|Black Matrix]] to peer into the future, despite [[Go Prime|Black Go Prime]]'s warning that the future may be not what he wants to know... Proud, Primus disregards his warning, for he is the god of this world appointed by [[the One]].''

''Primus returns, shaken with his foreknowledge, and coops up in his room with his pet, Primacron. Primus blathers about the Vok, that they seek to destroy the Precursor World so that they can recreate the universe to their liking. Even more alarming, they're actually the evolved form of the Specters! Primacron speaks up, telling his master not to worry, as he's gained intelligence from being at Primus's side for so long and states that one simply has to beat the Vok to the punch and destroy the universe themselves. He reveals that it's possible with the power of the Matrix, and that he's extracted its essence to create Angolmois Energy. Frightened, Primus remembers Primacron's presence in the next universe and angrily asks if it was his doing. Primacron, delighted that his plan apparently succeeds, sics his [[Assistant Corps]] on his former master and slinks away.''

''Even more burdened with apparent enemies on all sides, Primus rants to the Primus Vanguard Convoys and Primes that he needs to destroy and recreate the universe before Primacron can. His incoherent raving and demands that the Primus Vanguard follow his insane plan cause the Vanguard command structure to dissolve, leaving Primus with only Big (perhaps more to keep an eye on Primus rather than out of loyalty) around. The Specters make their appearance to a lonely Primus, fulfilling their promise that they would return when the Vanguard was scattered. They take the form of the Vok and disappear. Primus, forlorn, kneels before the statue of the One in the [[Ivory Towers]] before he has a realization... The products of the cruelty of the next world would serve as useful pawns in acquiring the seven lights and he could change the future with its own power.''

On the [[Blue Planet (GS)|Blue Planet]], the ground rumbles as Primacron makes his escape, but Primus sics the Dinobots on him. They're too late as Primacron activates the transformation of the Blue Planet into the gigantic Neo Primus powered by Angolmois Energy. With it, Primacron seeks to destroy the universe! [[Turtler]] and his [[Seacon (Masterforce)|Seacons]] help rescue the planet's threatened citizenry, while a confused [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Gurrr]] arrives with the other [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]] and [[Abomenaticus]] components. [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] aims them to Neo Primus's core, where Angolmois Energy is stored, so they can consume it.

In space, [[God Neptune]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Generations Selects Special Comic (1)|Megatron Omega]] continue their fight, and Megatron transforms into Omega Hand Mode, affixing himself to [[Purple Wicked Convoy]]'s arm. Their attack is blocked by the timely [[Lawbhammer]], who then suddenly shoots [[Scylla]], forcing her to disengage and takes her place in the combiner! [[Primus's envoy]] looms in [[Soundwave (G1)#Precursor World (2)|Soundwave]]'s base mode, elated that they've gathered five Star Powers at once. Just then, Neo Primus arrives with the other half of the cast. Primus tries to bring Star Convoy to his side, declaring that the next universe is a vile place created by Primacron full of death such as Optimus Prime's. Star Convoy refuses, though, as he's more than willing to sacrifice himself to protect the lives of people in both worlds—to defend the freedom of all sentient life. Primus, aware that Star Convoy would respond as such, explains that he was brought forth to defeat the Vok and the ''real'' Silver Matrix of this universe was in his possession all along—the one granted to Star Convoy was the used-up one from the next universe, only useful as a vessel for Star Power.

Primus summons his loyal cadre of warriors, the [[Golden Age (GS)|Golden Age]]; they restrain Star Convoy, allowing Primus to take his rifle so that he can form the Big Bang Cannon with his Silver Matrix. Primus instigates the next phase of his plan: He orders the [[Primitive]] Dinobots to hold back Primacron while Primus uses the Big Bang Cannon to absorb the blue Star Power from Megatron Omega's Silver Matrix. Right after, he has Lawbhammer pour the other Star Powers from God Neptune into the [[Neptune Sword]], which is then handed to Primus. With it, Primus impales Wicked, killing the Convoy and absorbing the [[Purple Matrix]].

Now, finally with all seven Star Powers, Primus calls for the universe to be reborn!

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Generations Selects Special Comic (2)|Optimus Prime/Star Convoy]] (12)
*[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (18)
*[[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (19)
*[[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] (20)
*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (21)
*[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (22)
*[[Dai Atlas (G1)|Dai Atlas]] (56)
*[[Volcanicus (POTP)|Volcanicus]] (57)

|c2=
*[[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Generations Selects Special Comic|Galvatron]]/[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Generations Selects Special Comic (1)|Megatron Omega]] (13)
*[[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Gurrr]] (44)
*[[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] (45)
*[[Sinnertwin (G1)|Sinnertwin]] (46)
*[[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] (47)

|h3=[[Seacon (BW)|Seacons]]|c3=
*[[Turtler]] (15)
*[[Halfshell]] (16)
*[[Overbite (Masterforce)|Overbite]] (39)
*[[Kraken]] (40)
*[[Tentakil (Masterforce)|Tentakil]] (41)
*[[Gulf]] (42)
*[[Lobclaw]] (43)
*[[God Neptune]] (48)
*[[Lawbhammer]] (49)

|h4=[[Primus Vanguard]]/[[Golden Age (GS)|Golden Age]]|c4=
{{collist|2|
*[[Gari Robo-kun#Precursor World|Gari Robo-kun]] (1)
*[[Purple Wicked Convoy]] (2)
*[[Black Legendisc]] (3)
*[[Go Prime|Black Go Prime]] (4)
*[[White Gallant Convoy]] (5)
*[[Primus]] (6)
*[[Blue Big Convoy|Big/Blue Big Convoy]] (7)
*[[Red Sentinel Prime]] (8)
*[[Yellow Splendid Convoy]] (9)
*[[Green Tender Convoy]] (10)
*[[Straxus (G1)#Precursor World|''United'' Straxus]] (23)
*[[Straxus (G1)#Precursor World|''Generations'' Straxus]] (24)
*[[Brightes|Blue Brightes Convoy]] (25)
*[[Three Musketeers]] (27-29)
*[[Heatwave (Timelines)#Precursor World|Heatwave]] (36)
*[[Thunderwing (G1)#Precursor World|Thunderwing]] (37)

'''Golden Age'''
*"[[Primus's envoy|His envoy]]" (14)
*[[Soundwave (BW)#Precursor World|''Beast Wars'' Soundwave]] (50)
*[[Seaspray (G1)#Precursor World|Seaspray]] (51)
*[[Perceptor (G1)#Precursor World|Perceptor]] (52)
*[[Beachcomber (G1)#Precursor World|Beachcomber]] (53)
*[[Soundwave (G1)#Precursor World (2)|Generation 1 Soundwave]] (54)
*[[Jazz (G1)#Precursor World|Jazz]] (55)}}

|h5=Others|c5=
*[[Vok]] (11)
*[[Novaroid]]s (12)
*[[Primacron]] (17)
*[[Specter]]s (26)
*[[Assistant Corps]] (32-34)
*[[Blue Planet (GS)|Neo Primus]] (35)

'''[[Beast People]]'''
*[[Lune]] (30)
*[[Three Wise Ones|Wise One]] (31)
*Sheep-horned Beast Person (38)
}}

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*[[Brightes]], Blue Big Convoy's predecessor first mentioned in ''[[Cybertron Magna Convoy]]'', is revealed here.
*The events of the [[Blue Big Convoy comic]] are referenced when the Three Musketeers and Black Go Prime receive a transmission from Straxus asking for their whereabouts (a transmission he sent at the beginning of that comic) and later when Blue Big Convoy he reports having destroyed the Specters with his [[α Matrix|α Matrix Cannon]]. This places the events of that comic during the time when Primus's universe was originally seven different universes, before they were merged into one.
*When the Vok attack the [[Green Planet]], Primus orders the deployment of the "[[Sentinel Armada]]". This is likely referring to the same fleet of ships seen at the end of the Blue Big Convoy comic, which were all based on the design of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' [[Sentinel Prime (G1)#Generations|Sentinel Prime]]. One of these ships, a member of the Blue Order, even bears the color scheme of ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' [[Omega Sentinel (Energon)|Omega Sentinel]], and [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Red]] himself is another such ship fully named "Red Sentinel Prime".
*We finally see the [[Ivory Towers]] in their prime. The Primus Vanguard headquarters were first introduced way back in the [[Cybertron Magna Convoy prequel comic|Magna Convoy prequel comic]].
*Primacron uses a whistle to control his [[Assistant Corps]]; this same whistle was used in "[[Controverse]]" to control the [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]] and other [[Primitive]] Transformers.
*Seen among the memorial holograms in the Ivory Towers' inner sanctum are [[Reverse Convoy#Robotmasters|''Robotmasters'' Reverse Convoy]] (now known to be Brightes), [[Heatwave (Timelines)|''Timelines'' Heatwave]], and [[Thunderwing (G1)#United|''United'' Thunderwing]]. These three are notable for being the three primary forms employed by the Specters, indicating they take on the shapes of the Vanguard's dead.

===Transformers references===
*When the Primus Vanguard merges the seven original universes into one universe, Primus speaks the phrase "Uchū o hitotsu ni!" (宇宙を一つに!, "All, become one!" in this context). This is the Japanese equivalent of the prophetic "[['Til all are one]]" mantra first spoken in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.
*In a callback to [[Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Blue Big Convoy)|Blue Big Convoy's ''Legends'' comic]], Big here does not have his horns deployed till he becomes a Convoy, much like how [[Big Convoy|Big Junior]] only deployed his horns when he also became a Convoy.

===Other notes===
*"G One" (ジ·ワン ''Ji Wan'') is a pun that really only makes sense in Japanese. The English word "the" has two different transliterations for its different pronunciations, ''za'' (ザ) for when it precedes consonants and ''ji'' (ジ) for when it precedes vowels (the Japanese language lacks the "th" sound and instead approximates it). "The One" is written normally as ''Za Wan'' (ザ·ワン), so "G One" is a swap of the "the" transliterations to make a meta reference to "[[Generation 1|G1]]" (ジーワン ''Jīwan'').
* Purple has a removable [[Faceplate]], so as to eat his [[Gari Robo-kun|Popsicle]].

==References==
*[https://takaratomymall.jp/img/goods/4904810172079/comics_final.pdf "Finale Prelude" at TakaraTomy Mall]
*[[Source:Generations Selects Special Comic Finale Prelude translation|"Finale Prelude" translation]] by Mohair Translations
*[https://imgchest.com/p/pg73ozjbv7r Lettered version of the translation] by MrRald

[[Category:Generations Selects issues]]

Talk:Generation 1 (Japanese toyline)

2025-07-13T18:59:54Z

MrRald:

==???==
I honestly don't quite get the purpose of this page: like, sure, there are multiple franchises contained within the Japanese G1 umbrella, and so my first thought seeing this was that each link would lead to individual pages for those toylines... But then they all lead to the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)]] page, which is just a large list with every Japanese toyline in ''one'' page, as with the European and South American ones. Isn't this page, then, kinda redundant, considering it almost entirely just features the same content as that other page but abridged? Personally, I feel like this should be replaced with a redirect to that page instead, so that it doesn't break everything else that links to it. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 12:33, 13 July 2025 (EDT))
:Looking over at the history of the aforementioned larger page, it appears that it was in fact originally only about the first year of the G1 Japanese toyline before it was divided into multiple franchises, until everything else was merged with it in 2018 - thus; I suppose that this page once served a legitimate purpose, but nowadays it feels pretty pointless. I have therefore tagged it with the "move" tag. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 12:40, 13 July 2025 (EDT))
::Hm. Redundancy is a fair concern. Revisiting these two articles, I cannot help but notice that now that the dust has settled from the giga-merge:
:::1) This page has indeed mutated into an overview of the contents of the ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers]]'' page.
:::2) The ''F!SRLT'' page *lacks* a dedicated overview section (litany of vestigial headers labeled "overview" for each individual year notwithstanding) due to being cobbled together from the smaller pages.
::Perhaps the most straightforward thing would be to merge them rather than overwriting this page outright, with its content going to the top of the ''F!SRLT'' page when this namespace becomes a redirect?--[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:47, 13 July 2025 (EDT)
:::Wahey and there go those vestigial headers. I have updated the flag to a merge accordingly.--[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:59, 13 July 2025 (EDT)
:::I am in favor of the merger. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 14:59, 13 July 2025 (EDT)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2024-09-15T13:54:45Z

MrRald: /* Transformers One and the conversation we've all been waiting for */

User:MrRald/sandbox/Beyblade

2024-05-15T02:54:51Z

MrRald: Created page with "upright=2 '''''Beyblade''''' (ベイブレード ''Beiburēdo'') is a toy franchise owned by TakaraTomy and licensed by [[Hasbr..."

[[File:Beyblade 2001 logo.png|thumb|right|upright=2]]
'''''Beyblade''''' (ベイブレード ''Beiburēdo'') is a toy franchise owned by [[TakaraTomy]] and licensed by [[Hasbro]] that focuses on modular spinning tops used for competition. It has spun off various media such as video games, manga, and anime.

It has four main incarnations:
*''Bakuten Shoot Beyblade'' (爆転シュートベイブレード ''Bakuten Shūto Beiburēdo'', "Burst-turn Shoot Beyblade")
*''Metal Fight Beyblade'' (メタルファイトベイブレード ''Metaru Faito Beiburēdo'')
*''Beyblade Burst'' (ベイブレードバースト ''Beiburēdo Bāsuto'')
*''BEYBLADE X''

==Games==
===''DreamMix TV World Fighters''===
[[Takao Kinomiya]] used his [[Dragoon]] Beyblade in battle against the other contestants in ''[[World Fighters]]'', summoning the sacred beast Seiryū contained within to perform its "Evolution Storm" ability. {{storylink|DreamMix TV World Fighters}}

===''Beyblade Burst'' App===
Three digital exclusive Beyblades depicting [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] were made available in December 2022, under the names "[[Ion blaster|Ion]] Optimus Prime", "[[Stinger (weapon)|Stinger]] Bumblebee", and "[[Gladiatorial combat|Gladiator]] Megatron".
[[File:Beyblade x TF .jpg|thumb|left|upright=2]]

{{--}}
==Toys==
===Beyblade X===
Packs containing two Beyblades based on Transformers characters and two launchers were sold exclusively on Amazon as part of the launch campaign for Beyblade X in June 2024. These Beyblades were retools of previous molds, replacing the metal of the "Blade" piece while keeping the clear plastic from the old tooling.
*Optimus Prime 4-60P vs. Megatron 4-80B
*Optimus Primal 3-60F vs. Starscream 3-80N

==External links==
*{{w|Beyblade}} at Wikipedia

[[Category:Beyblade| ]]
[[Category:Generation 1 technology]]

File:Beyblade 2001 logo.png

2024-05-15T02:32:46Z

MrRald: The logo for Beyblade used in western markets between 2001 and 2005. {{hastaklogo|owner=Hasbro}}

The logo for [[Beyblade]] used in western markets between 2001 and 2005.

{{hastaklogo|owner=Hasbro}}

Jointron

2024-04-30T21:23:07Z

MrRald:

{{factions|maximal}}
:''The Jointrons are a [[Maximal]] subgroup from the [[Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers#Beast Wars_II|Beast Wars II]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[File:Jointron brothers.jpg|thumb|right|400px|"Did someone say...'Birthday'?"]]

To the jovial '''Jointron''' (ジョイントロン ''Jointoron'') brothers, life is one big ''fiesta'', and they would love nothing more than to spend all day partying and dancing. After crashlanding on planet [[Gaia]], these merry Maximal ''mariachis'' became allies of [[Lio Convoy]] and his crew, but their rash attempts at capturing the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] and habit of acting on their own have caused them to sometimes clash with their new ''amigos''.

The Jointrons consist of:

:[[DJ (BW)|DJ]]: The cicada, ''mi!''
:[[Motorarm (BW)|Motorarm]]: The rhinoceros beetle, ''arm!''
:[[Gimlet]]: The lobster, ''muchas! muchas!''

They combine to form [[Tripledacus]].

==Fiction==
===Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''Beast Wars II'' cartoon====
[[File:BWII e14 Jointron Transport.jpg|thumb|left|250px]]

The Jointrons were sent by Maximal command to the planet [[Trius]]. However, their ship ran into problems and they were forced to land on the nearest planet: [[Gaia]]. Evacuating the ship before anybody else could find them, they later ran into the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] and [[Maximal]]s stationed on Gaia in their combined form, [[Tripledacus]]. After initially thinking the Maximals were Predacons, they realized their mistake and split into their individual selves, introducing themselves as the Jointrons to the other Maximals. However, the three's eccentric behavior didn't endear themselves to Lio Convoy's group. Unconcerned about this, they sought to use their might to defeat the Predacons and flew out without informing the other Maximals. The Jointrons faced against a Predacon force as Tripledacus and weren't faring well till [[Lio Convoy]], [[Scuba]], and [[Apache]] came to add their firepower to the battle. After the Predacons retreated, the Jointrons claimed all the credit. {{storylink|The Combined Giant, Tripledacus}}

Still intent on handling the Predacons on their own, the Jointrons took over a Maximal shuttle and turned it into a party house, to the annoyance of Apache. Disabling the shields and shooting out a flare to lure the Predacons to their position, they managed to lure in [[Dirge (BW)|Dirge]] and [[Thrust (BW)|Thrust]], who left [[Autoroller (BW)|Autoroller]] backup outside. The two [[Combatron (BW)|Combatrons]] were treated to the Jointrons' friendly hospitality—massive amounts of [[oil]] that impaired their already poor judgment. Using the excuse that they were bringing oil to the Autorollers, the Jointrons combined into Tripledacus, and, with Lio Convoy's help, chased away the Autorollers. Afterwards, the Combatron duo were forced to surrender—a victory for the Jointrons! {{storylink|The Festive Jointrons}}

[[File:BWII 16 Triplefailure.jpg|thumb|right|250px]]
Again eager to take down the Predacons, DJ and his brothers went out on patrol for them, coming across a trap that they dumped [[Tasmania Kid]] and [[Diver (BW)|Diver]] to check out. Soon, they came across [[Starscream (BW)|Starscream]] and [[BB (BW)|BB]], who attacked them with a "[[bacteria bomb]]" that struck DJ and Motorarm with bacteria that sapped them of energy. The three attempted to combine, but Gimlet's germaphobia prevented any cohesion, and they were left at the mercy of the Predacons. After the other Maximals came to the rescue as the "[[Jointron II]]", and Lio Convoy made a speech about how they could overcome this challenge if they shared energy, the Jointrons managed to combine and sent Starscream and BB fleeing. {{storylink|A Fearsome Combination Plan?}}

On another day, the Jointrons were sent on patrol with Diver and Tasmania Kid, who brought up the question of just ''who'' the leader in the trio was. Naturally, each one made a claim for themselves, with DJ noting that he was the one who contacted Maximal HQ and negotiated with others, amoth other qualities. Their competition brought them to the attention of the Predacons, who sought to capture the Jointrons to study their combination abilities. To handle the Predacons, the Jointrons took off on their own in a Maximal shuttle, but the intervention of Tasmania Kid caused them to crash. In the following battle, the brothers agreed that whoever was most successful against the Predacons would lead, but they all ended up captured and required the other Maximals to step in and rescue them. Afterwards, they reconsidered their silly argument and combined into Tripledacus to repel the Predacons. {{storylink|Who Is the Leader!?}}

[[File:BWII 17 Jointrons.jpg|thumb|left|250px]]
The Jointrons were left behind on Gaia's eastern continent while Lio Convoy's troop returned to the northern continent. Later, during their patrol of the nearby ocean, they found [[Bighorn]] pining for [[Scylla]] and agreed to help in the sake of love. As part of a plan where Bighorn would "rescue" Scylla and be hailed as a knight in shining armor, the Jointrons sent a fake letter to Scylla, imploring her to come to [[Tengu Cliff]]. When she arrived, expecting [[Scuba]], she was met by the masked Jointrons, who stuffed her into a bag and went off to rendezvous with Bighorn. Their plan hit a snag when they were spotted by Starscream and BB, who fired upon them and Bighorn. The trio were also spotted by [[Sea Phantom]] and [[Terrormander]], who realized that they had their teammate. When the furious Scylla informed the Jointrons that she was one of the Space Pirate [[Seacon (BW)|Seacons]], the three agreed to bring her to Lio Convoy to get "credit". Their new plan didn't succeed, as they were soon caught between the Predacons and the Seacons who attacked them before; after dropping Scylla down a hill, they resorted to defending themselves. When the remaining Seacons showed up, the three combined into Tripledacus and fought against [[God Neptune]]. With the aid of the other Maximals, the pirate combiner was sent tumbling into the sea, and the Jointrons rejoiced over their "victory" against a quintuple combiner. {{storylink|Face the Setting Sun}}

[[File:BWII 24 Jointrons kidnap.jpg|thumb|right|250px]]
While somehow out in Gaia's orbit, the Jointrons fought the Seacons, but their battle was interrupted by the passing [[teleport gate]]. {{storylink|Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!}} DJ, Gimlet, and Motorarm later tried to deal with the eruptions of [[Angolmois Energy]] caused by [[Nemesis (BW)|Nemesis]] by using boulders to block them. When they came across the other Maximals using cooling rays to freeze the Angolmois Energy, they got the idea to use an iceberg to seal a particular geyser that was threatening a nearby forest. {{storylink|The Great Angolmois Freezing Tactic}} When the Maximals set up a launch to get to Nemesis, the Jointrons fused as Tripledacus to help hold off the Predacons before they could interrupt the launch. When the tip of the ramp was broken by the Predacons, Tripledacus used his strength to push it back to its original position and let Lio Convoy's Maximals successful leave Gaia's atmosphere. {{storylink|Fly Out! Planet Gaia}}
{{-}}

====''Beast Wars Neo'' cartoon====
[[File:Neo35 habitatforinhumanity.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]

Following the defeat of [[Unicron]], Tripledacus returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where he helped with reconstruction. {{storylink|Graduation Ceremony!!}}

===''Beast Wars II'' manga===

[[File:BWII manga 3 Jointrons.jpg|thumb|150px]]
When the Angolmois Energy-corrupted Lio Convoy fought [[Galvatron (BW)|Galvatron]] in the desolate city of [[Tokyo]], [[Scuba]] sent out a signal for assistance, which the Jointrons answered. As Tripledacus, they arrived just as Galvatron was beaten, but were knocked out of the sky by the malevolent Lio Convoy. {{storylink|Free the Captured Matrix!}} The Jointrons were later part of an assembled [[Maximal]] force that took off in the ''Yukikaze'' to reach Nemesis. All hands survived the destruction of the ship by the Predacons and engaged their enemies in battle on the artificial planet's surface. {{storylink|All Hands, Make a Special Attack on the Evil Planet!}}

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==Toys==
===''Beast Wars''===
[[File:JointronAd.jpg|250px|thumb|right|Hats and guitars sold separately.]]
*'''Jointron''' (1998)
**[[DJ (BW)|DJ]]
**[[Gimlet]]
**[[Motorarm (BW)|Motorarm]]
**[[Tripledacus]]

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Dragoon

2024-04-01T05:30:26Z

MrRald:

:''Dragoon is spinning top from the [[Beyblade]] franchise.''

[[File:DreamMix Dragoon.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|As if they were gods, Winglies ruled over all living creatures, and used them as slaves...]]

'''Dragoon''' (ドラグーン ''Doragūn'') is a left spinning Attack Type Beyblade used by [[Takao Kinomiya]]. Inside it resides the sacred beast (聖獣, Seijū) Seiryū (青龍).

==Games==
===''DreamMix TV World Fighters''===
While competing on ''[[World Fighters]]'', Takao could launch Dragoon to temporarily attack his foes. Dragoon would release the sacred beast Seiryū to create a swirling vortex of energy, called Evolution Storm, which grew in power the longer Takao charged his Beyblade's spin. {{storylink|DreamMix TV World Fighters}}

==Trivia==
*Character art for Seiryū appears as one of Takao's Library profile images in ''DreamMix TV World Fighters''.
*While the game doesn't specify which version of Dragoon is being used by Takao, it is safe to guess that he is using Dragoon MS, as it's the only Dragoon that uses the Evolution Storm.
*Western localizations of Beyblade would refer to both the Beyblade and sacred beast (called Bit Beasts in the west) as Dragoon.
*The character profile from DreamMix TV World Fighters treats Dragoon and Seiryu as the same entity, contradicting what the anime establishes.

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User:MrRald/sandbox/Dragoon

2024-04-01T02:51:44Z

MrRald: Created page with ":''Dragoon is spinning top from the Beyblade franchise.'' [[File:DreamMix Dragoon.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|As if they were gods, Winglies ruled over all living creatures, an..."

:''Dragoon is spinning top from the [[Beyblade]] franchise.''

[[File:DreamMix Dragoon.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|As if they were gods, Winglies ruled over all living creatures, and used them as slaves...]]

'''Dragoon''' (ドラグーン ''Doragūn'') is a left spinning Attack Type Beyblade used by [[Takao Kinomiya]]. Inside it resides the sacred beast (聖獣, Seijū) Seiryū (青龍).

==Games==
===''DreamMix TV World Fighters''===
While competing on ''[[World Fighters]]'', Takao could launch Dragoon to temporarily attack his foes. Dragoon would release the sacred beast Seiryū to create a swirling vortex of energy, called Evolution Storm, which grew in power the longer Takao charged his Beyblade's spin. {{storylink|DreamMix TV World Fighters}}

==Trivia==
*Character art for Seiryū appears as one of Takao's Library profile images in ''DreamMix TV World Fighters''.
*While the game doesn't specify which version of Dragoon is being used by Takao, it is safe to guess that he is using Dragoon MS, as it's the only Dragoon that uses the Evolution Storm.
*Western localizations of Beyblade would refer to both the Beyblade and sacred beast (called Bit Beasts in the west) as Dragoon.
*The character profile from DreamMix TV World Fighters treats Dragoon and Seiryu as the same entity, contradicting what the anime establishes.
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Beyblade

2024-04-01T02:03:17Z

MrRald: Takara Tomy renders the title for Beyblade X in all caps, and american press releases are doing the same at the moment

[[File:Beyblade x TF .jpg|thumb|right|upright=2]]
'''''Beyblade''''' (ベイブレード ''Beiburēdo'') is a toy franchise owned by [[TakaraTomy]] and licensed by [[Hasbro]] that focuses on modular spinning tops used for competition. It has spun off various media such as video games, manga, and anime.

It has four main incarnations:
*''Bakuten Shoot Beyblade'' (爆転シュートベイブレード ''Bakuten Shūto Beiburēdo'', "Burst-turn Shoot Beyblade")
*''Metal Fight Beyblade'' (メタルファイトベイブレード ''Metaru Faito Beiburēdo'')
*''Beyblade Burst'' (ベイブレードバースト ''Beiburēdo Bāsuto'')
*''BEYBLADE X''

==Games==
===''DreamMix TV World Fighters''===
[[Takao Kinomiya]] used his Beyblade in battle against the other contestants in ''[[World Fighters]]'', summoning the [[Dragoon]] energy creature contained within to perform its "Evolution Storm" ability. {{storylink|DreamMix TV World Fighters}}

===''Beyblade Burst'' App===
Three digital exclusive Beyblades depicting [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] were made available in December 2022, under the names "[[Ion blaster|Ion]] Optimus Prime", "[[Stinger (weapon)|Stinger]] Bumblebee", and "[[Gladiatorial combat|Gladiator]] Megatron".
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File:CobraCommander-150.jpg

2024-01-19T03:45:45Z

MrRald: MrRald uploaded a new version of "File:CobraCommander-150.jpg"

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Destron Leader Megatron Black Ver.

2023-11-06T21:11:53Z

MrRald:

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'''Megatron somehow obtains massive power!'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Black megatron.jpg|left|thumb|250px|[[Venom (Marvel)|WE....ARE VENOM!]] ]]
At [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]], the [[Decepticon]]s are attacking. [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] successfully beats one to a pulp, not backing off until [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] encourages him to let up. [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] then asks where [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] is. Wheeljack informs him that he's battling [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]], but without any weaponry.

As Wheeljack provides play-by-play coverage, Optimus belts Megatron across the face and sends him hurtling through a wall in the Headquarters. Unfortunately, the blow damages Megatron's gyrocompass which acted as an internal stability regulator. This suddenly allows his processors to access a cache of [[quantum surge]] energy that had been stored in him for some time. This power boost turns his body black, heals his wounds faster than they can be inflicted and sends his strength rocketing off the scale. Wheeljack laments that they're now dealing with [[transmetal|a whole new kind]] of Megatron.

Megatron does not know where his newfound power has come from, but presuming it to be divine intervention, decides to use it to his advantage in an all-out assault to crush the Autobots.
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*[[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (1)
*[[Wheeljack (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Wheeljack]] (2)
*[[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (3)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (4)
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*[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (5)
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*[[Teletraan I]] (6)
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==Notes==
*This comic was included with the 2009 ''[[The Transformers: Collector's Edition|Collector's Edition]]'' reissue of [[Megatron (G1)/toys#BlackG1|Megatron Black Ver.]] by [[e-HOBBY]].
*The bio accompanying this comic, which included a summary of the events, claimed that [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] was backed by [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] and [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]], rather than Hound and [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]]. It also declares that Megatron ordered his Decepticons to continue fighting after the final page's events.
*The [[quantum surge]] energy stored inside [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]'s body got there when the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] stole his spark [[Master Blaster|during]] the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]].
*The events of this comic would be significantly expanded upon in [[Slugslinger's Ambition|''Legends'' Vol. 49]], as well as retconning away the included bio's claim of Megatron ordering a continued attack on the Autobots after first acquiring his new form, with ''Legends'' Vol. 49 instead having him battling alone and then quickly depart after powering up, to seek revenge on [[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]].

==External links==
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20140502171951/https://www.allspark.com/content/2014/04/e-hobby-yoshioka-manga-gadep-black-megatron-sunstorm/ "Destron Leader Megatron Black Ver." in English at The Allspark] (images defunct)

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File:DestronLeaderMegatronCover.jpg

2023-11-06T21:06:49Z

MrRald: Destron Leader Megatron Black Ver. cover art. Art by Hidetsugu Yoshioka. {{packincomiccover|source=Destron Leader Megatron Black Ver.|owner=TakaraTomy|year=2009}} Copyright Takara and eHobby 2005. Category: Images by Hidetsugu Yoshioka

[[Destron Leader Megatron Black Ver.]] cover art. Art by [[Hidetsugu Yoshioka]].

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Copyright Takara and eHobby 2005.

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MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2023-10-28T03:49:43Z

MrRald: /* Remastering the Wiki's logo and background */

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== Site Logo revamp ==

Up until now, our rotating logo on the main page tends to have a batch of logos pointing to pages from the most recent franchises and series, plus a few from older franchises that we forgot or didn't bother to remove. I'd like to rework this system a bit to have a more even balance franchise-wise. I think we should have one character for every franchise that has had a cartoon or movie (including the JG1 shows), plus one from each of the major English-language comic runs (Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW1, and IDW2 at the bare minimum). This would be a good way to demonstrate the breadth of the franchise scope of the wiki, and help drive new readers towards legacy content. (Of course, we'd still have a few extra banners based on whatever is currently running for the "Hey, I know that guy!" factor. Would love to get some thoughts on this, and potentially character suggestions for each franchise. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:59, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:I think this is a great idea! Though, I'm unsure on which characters from each show would be good to use. Like, would we go most popular/memorable characters or just some really random left field obscurities like G1 Skids who appeared in only two episodes of ''The Transformers'', just to get some more eyes on character articles from franchises newer fans may not be fully aware of? Also, would Japanese-exclusive shows include ''Go!'', ''Q-Transformers'' and ''Robotmasters''? If so, maybe even an image from ''Portal'' (the Russian show) would be worthwhile too. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 02:47, 18 December 2021 (EST)
::Obscure/minor stuff risks just being the GO! Boxes again, and we already have those. For the big logo, best to go with majorish characters from majorish media. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 07:19, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:This sounds like a great idea. We could break it down like this:
G1 Seasons 1 and 2 - Optimus Prime,
TFTM/G1 Seasons 3 and 4 - Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime,
G1 Marvel - Ratchet,
Headmasters - Fort Max,
Masterforce - Minerva,
Victory - Star Saber,
Idk if we would do Zone or any of the Japanese G1 stories that came after,
Beast Wars - Megatron,
Beast Wars II - Lio Convoy,
Beast Wars Neo - Magmatron,
RID/Car Robots - Side Burn,
I've never read Dreamwave so I don't know a good character that represents it,
Unicron Trilogy - Hot Shot,
IDW could be broken into a few character reps because of how long it went on,
IDW Furman Era - IDW Bumblebee,
IDW Post Furman - IDW Galvatron,
IDW MTMTE/LL - Nautica,
IDW RID/OP - IDW Optimus Prime,
Animated - Bulkhead,
Movies - Bumblebee,
WFC Games - Bruticus,
Prime - Starscream,
RID15 - Strongarm,
Cyberverse - Windblade,
WFC Trilogy - G1 Megatron,
And then we can have a few slots open for characters from the latest shows/movies. This list would give new readers an idea on how big the franchise truly is and how diverse the characters are. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Certainly if anyone's gonna represent CR/RiD'01, it's gonna be Sky-Byte, the breakout star of the show, and not Side Burn, the Autobot womanizer. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:26, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Funilly enough I meant to put him there lol. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 20:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Dreamwave, I'd pick War Within Grimlock. Certainly Shockwave should be part of 2005 IDW since he's responsible for the whole sha-bang.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 18:40, 5 January 2022 (EST)

== Splitting Cloud characters ==

So now we have some sorta adequate translations, I'm being increasingly convinced that merging them just on the basis of AVP was a mistake and that the Cloud characters should be split out for simplicity and ease of explanation. Notably, the central conceit is far more similar to TransTech than G1—and more different to G1 than Cyberverse, for instance. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:44, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I was against it then and I'm against it now. They're nothing like the TransTech; they are practically nigh identical to the G1 guys, there's a war going on in their universe, and the "central conceit" of them being multiversal guardians is more akin to Alternity than it is to TransTech, who for the majority of their fiction were at most passive observers. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I am declining to weigh in personally until I finish first pass translations but please at least pretend to look over the translated material before repeating the same arguments. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:19, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::I have looked over it. Nothing is convincing me that it's all that separate from G1 stuff. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::"War going on" describes most of Transformer fiction. What makes Cyberverse "not G1", but Cloud G1, other than convenience for us editors? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:02, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::: As far as I can tell, there is no basic divergence, aside from Grimlock's origins, from the Cloud characters to the G1 counterparts. I could point to a fair few examples on the side of Cyberverse that rank higher than that (Grimlock's presenations, the origins of the Quintessons and Sharkticons, Skywarp, Acid Storm, etc etc.) [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:23, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::We can be here all day debating over character minutiae, but the point is that Cyberverse ultimately doesn't diverge that much from G1 in its general premise as opposed to Cloud. G1 is bloated enough as it is; it doesn't hurt to take out the one thing that doesn't really fit in and make it its own thing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::: Well that just comes right back to my question: what actually makes Cloud World's core conceit any different from G1 beyond the fact that they have technology that allows them dimensional travel? Because if it is just that, I simply do not believe that is enough to justify a split for characters who are almost all made to look like and have the same personality as the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:51, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I agree for the sake of wiki presentation. *Cloud* is more like *TransTech* than it is like *Alternity*. *Cloud* characters got to travel to both the G1 and MD worlds as equally separate destinations. TakaraTomy used the *Generations War for Cybertron* moulds as the *United* series, which is G1 and not Aligned by our classification. *Cloud* recycling unused *Generations Fall of Cybertron* toys in a non-Aligned setting strikes me as more evidence that we can allow *Cloud* to live on its own rather than as another G1 setting. And *Cloud* was chosen by e-HOBBY over the competing proposal *Prime Shattered Glass* which would also have been on separate wiki pages despite employing purely redeco mould choiceis. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:08, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I'm not convinced by the idea that them saying "G1 World" is an indicator of separateness when there is also designations for "BW Spacetime" and "MF Spacetime." Brawn is depicted as practically identical in appearance to G1 Brawn before being upgraded. As for the Prime Shattered Glass choice, I think it's pretty obvious why that would be completely separate from this particular issue. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:25, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::The only reason Brawn is shown as the G1 body is if you take consideration that all Cloud members are drawn according to the latest toy or model available... he got no real toy before that, the only options were either G1 Sunbow, G1 toy or the tiny Universe 2.0 Legends. Now if you remove their appearance and focus on the story, Cloud is still more akin to Transtech than Alternity, Deadlock for example even got to visit the Legends World, a Aligned world (possibly the Adventure toyline) and the Ehobby spin-off dimension (now called Precursor World) -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 17:55, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::Yes, I am aware of how Cloud repurposings work. Nothing prevents one G1 universe from visiting another. And aside from that, Japan has had barely any non-JG1 cartoon related G1 fiction; of course Cloud World, which isn't directly JG1 related, would be indicated as different; that doesn't mean that it's not able to be categorized as G1. If it were an American storyline, where we have always had multiple G1 storylines, I feel that this would not nearly be as much of a point of contention. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I'm in favor of splitting Cloud from G1. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 19:32, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I haven't read any of the Cloud fiction myself, but I know that if our translation team collectively agrees on something based on the material available, then that's more than enough convincing for me to agree with them also. In other words, I agree with a split. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:52, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I'd vastly prefer if we could get someone like McFeely to weigh in on this. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:56, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::i'm in favour of the split. The cloud people have enough characteristics to distonguist them from theur jg1 counterpatts.--[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 20:14, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::Alright, seriously, what characteristics are there actually to distinguish them from G1? Because nobody has been able to give me a concrete example so far. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:17, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::::dinobot, heavy usage of aligned designs, hellwarp --[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 21:36, 28 December 2021 (EST)
Looks like Escargon is the only voice against the split thus far. Still, I suggest the discussion should remain open longer than usual, out of courtesy for people not checking the wiki as regularly given the holiday season. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:47, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:As the translations are still ongoing, I think the most we can suggest at this time is a note regarding its a classification as a Primax setting by AVP. As more information comes to light I'm becoming increasingly convinced that it was a decision made on shaky logic. Unlike the Alternity there doesn't seem to be any evidence of these guys being derived in-universe from G1 guys. And as fiction, it's about a bunch of super advanced parallel universe monitor guys who regularly travel to other universes. If it's literally just "the cast is mostly recolours of toys with G1 fiction" then maybe we need to start talking about listing the War for Cybertron games as G1 too. [[User:Star Spangled Sam|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam|talk]]) 01:44, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::What exactly is super-advanced about them beyond SARA, who, as far as I can tell, is a gift from some being and not even their own creation? Because otherwise, they seem to be basic Transformers. Not a single person has been able to tell me that so far, and I'd be far more willing to listen if someone would just spell out what exactly makes them so distinct that means they can't be G1. It's not about in-universe stuff, because for all intents and purposes, the characters themselves are nigh-identical to the Generation 1 characters; you look at Cloud Megatron or Cloud Rodimus and it is obvious that, irregardless of whatever the fiction might say, they are being sold as new versions of the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 04:29, 29 December 2021 (EST)
:::By the same logic, then why not put the FOC and WFC games under the G1 banner since it heavly takes inspirations from it, same settings (war on cybertron, the resources are becoming low, escaping to another world), closest designs to G1.. hell they were more marketed towards G1 than the Movies and Prime in mind (let's face it.. that's what Hasbro always does).. but the further Hasbro tied them to Aligned and they became their own thing.. Cloud is about that, maybe marketed as G1 at first but they became their own thing at the end -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 13:20, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::::The WFC games are their own case that, despite what you say, were always clearly a part of Hasbro's ideas for the Aligned continuity, which is something that I'm not going to bother going into here. Nothing about Cloud registers to me as being somehow so separate that it requires us splitting off things into their own pages. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:24, 29 December 2021 (EST)
Bumping for more opinions. If there's no overall opposition to it by Friday or so, I'll start splitting. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:07, 4 January 2022 (EST)
:The Cloud fiction prominently features the Cloud characters interacting with their own G1 counterparts. If nothing else, it should be split on same basis as [[Galvatron II]]. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:50, 4 January 2022 (EST)
::We've seen that with other fiction. I'm not sure why it would justify them having their whole separate pages (Galvatron II is a unique case). If that's what it takes though to not go through some inane total split, though, then fine, whatever. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:If there is to be movement on this in the immediate future I suppose I should go ahead and weigh in. As the one doing the translation I broadly agree with Riptide. While I am unmoved by philosophical discussions on what constitutes "G1-ness" or "Transtech-ness," I believe it is important to return to our guiding principle of the end user experience. Given the already convoluted nature of the material as well as the cast's consistent interaction with both various Generation 1 continuities in general and their own incarnations in specific, I believe it will be in the best interests of intelligibility for the reader to split out Cloud from Generation 1. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:25, 5 January 2022 (EST)

We are not going to pretend that these are completely separate from the Generation 1 characters. Put up a suite or a "see [X] article for more information" because it is completely ridiculous to pretend that Cloud is it's own little continuity. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:38, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I disagree. Cloud should be split off entirely. So let's have an official vote and resolve this. I say '''Split'''. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:28, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::The articles have already been split. You'll forgive me if I don't show confidence in the decision from people who blew me off when I pointed out their original reason for splitting was incorrect (that supposedly the Almanac had come out before Cloud was truly explained, but in fact it had come after almost all of it had been published). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:35, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::This discussion has been open for twelve days. An unofficial tally shows at least 7-to-1 in favor of splitting. No one else has openly agreed with your position. Given that, and that Saix announced days in advance he would start splitting if there was no further discussion, it wasn't unreasonable for him to begin. But maybe there's a different split of opinions on the Discord or wherever, so it's certainly appropriate to ask for an official vote. Beyond that...the decision is just not up to you alone. The point of democracy is for all voices to be heard, not to leave every voice feeling satisfied with the outcome. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:08, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::I have no idea what's going on in the Discord server; I'm barred from it. I certainly hope there's not more discussion going on over there, because I was told that there would be a push to have these sorts of big discussions to be on the wiki. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:42, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::With all due respect: You need to stop putting so much emphasis on the in-universe designation, which AVP itself pointed out was ultimately arbitrary. I understand that AVP and the Almanacs are important to you, but Jim is not infallible, and while I'm sure he had good reasons for calling it "Primax" that's ultimately just ''his opinion''. Cloud being "its own thing" isn't some essential property; it's a matter of how to organise the wiki in order to make the fiction clear. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:47, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I also vote '''Split''' if only because of how better translations now has pointed out various past errors/assumptions/presumptions that needed correcting, and thus updating is needed so as to make things easier to categorize and organize here. Any wiki really worth their salt and wanting to do proper service to their respective franchises' fandoms would do the same. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:43, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::I ''still'' haven't got an answer for what makes Cloud so different that makes it ''need'' to be split. If there were a crossover between say, Marvel and Sunbow, nobody in their right mind we should completely separate, say, Huffer from Huffer. I'm willing to admit that I might just be missing something, but nothing in the stories themselves, as far as I can see, suggests it, beyond the aforementioned Cloud World classification, which for me is not enough of a justification. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:33, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::Neither Marvel nor Sunbow consists primarily of crossovers with another G1 continuity. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:20, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::If that's the main avenue of justification then frankly I don't think I'm ever going to agree with that line of reasoning, but I can clearly see I'm outvoted on this. I wish there would have been more people asked before the split was done, though, because I can see that this could very easily end up being another whole "retitling things to FSRLF" situation. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:00, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::We functionally split out Marvel and Sunbow versions for a lot of characters anyway. We're at the point where we draw lines based on how easy/hard it is for the information to be conveyed, not whether it's G1 enough or not. We think Cloud, as its own fullblown storyline/premise, falls on the side of "it's easier to read and parse it if they get their own shebang" instead of burying them in overlong G1 articles. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:11, 8 January 2022 (EST)

I'm not gonna argue further on this because I recognize it's a losing battle, but I think that the line of thought of "this one bit of media shouldn't be kept in an article because it won't get out there otherwise" sets a bad precedent that could easily be misused in the future. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:39, 8 January 2022 (EST)

Should the Cloud toys also be removed from the G1 character's pages? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 09:21, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:Yeah no, It vould be too convoluted, example look at the redirections [[Transformers_Cloud#Toys|there]]... where should each toy be redirected?? + the fiction regarding said toys has their own page now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:58, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::...What on earth are you talking about? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:16, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::Srry I misread his question.. I thought he meant "added" not "removed" from the G1 pages...
:Not entirely certain what you're asking, but the eight toys in the Cloud toyline (plus Deadlock) have already been moved to the Cloud pages in conjunction with the fiction, as they solely represent Cloud characters. The remaining Cloud characters repurpose existing toys. The writeups for those toys remain on the original pages with duplicates on the repurpose pages, as is standard practice. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:54, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::I mean, for example, [[Blaster_(G1)/toys#Generations|G1 Blaster's toy page]] has FOC Blaster on it, due to FOC Blaster being repurposed as Cloud Blaster. Should that repurposing be removed from G1 Blaster's page, since Cloud Blaster isn't considered to be G1 Blaster anymore? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 12:34, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::I believe yeah, the splitting between G1 and Cloud was recent (done last month) so there's still leftover traces on the wiki, if you can take your time to remove them why not -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 16:44, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::::Ok, good. I just wanted to check I wasn't missing anything. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 17:13, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::::Oh! Yes those should go, good eye! -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 10:52, 18 February 2022 (EST)

==Split Movie Character Toy lists?==
Just as what happened with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] and [[Megatron (G1)/toys]], I suggest we split certain Movie toy pages such as [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys]] and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys]] as both pages have become excessively bloated. I suggest we separate them by having the original Bay film toylines (07, ROFT, DOTM, AOE, TLK, and any pre SS sub lines) have their own page and starting a new one that Contains SS, BB, and the upcoming ROTB toylines, alongside any future movie toylines until the new page itself becomes heavily bloated [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Sorry for being this late but given that ROTB toys are apparently coming this spring, I suggest you split like one part contains all 5 movies while the other starts with SS and BB until now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2022 (EST)

== Multi-part comic stories ==

For old Marvel UK multi-part stories like [[Target: 2006]] or [[Time Wars]], we put the whole thing under a single article, but for modern-day ones like each storyline in [[Transformers (2019 comic)]] we have a separate article for each issue. Is there a good reason for the discrepancy, or are the old ones just an artefact of a time in the wiki's history that didn't follow our current standards? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 09:36, 22 January 2022 (EST)
:The thing with that is that it's a result of how the UK comic was written; there'd be about 8 or so pages per issue, meaning that we'd have a lot of little articles that are easier just grouped together. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:16, 22 January 2022 (EST)
::Makes sense, although that's essentially what we have for [[The Transformers: Autocracy]] et al., which are also 8 pages per issue. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 15:38, 23 January 2022 (EST)
:::The difference with Autocracy lies mostly in that pretty much all of those issues have a beginning and end, and also have different titles. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:47, 23 January 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I always thought our headings on the Marvel UK story pages ''were'' the issue titles. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:21, 24 January 2022 (EST)

== Composite characters and page transclusion ==

This is something I've had the idea about for a while, but I've finally had a look at how the markup for it works and have come up with a proposal. The pages for [[Greatshot]] and [[Sixshot (G1)]] contain an entirely duplicated section set around the ''Victory'' cartoon owing to a retcon that occurred in the much later Legends manga. This is not an ideal solution because, among other reasons, any edits to Greatshot's cartoon section necessitates making the same edit to Sixshot's section.

Over in my sandbox, I've whipped up the page [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test]], containing only the events that happened to both Greatshot and the retconned Sixshot. By inserting <nowiki>{{:User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test}}</nowiki> into the relevant parts of Greatshot and Sixshot's pages (also sandboxed [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot|here]] and [[User:TheLastGherkin/Sixshot|here]]), the same information is automatically transcluded. And clicking "Edit" on, for example, the Legends manga section on Sixshot's page automatically redirects the user to editing that portion of Greatshot-test, thus updating all three pages at once.

If we go forward with this, I can see it being used for other characters in similar situations, like BWU [[Wolfang (Maximal)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Wolfang]], or Unite Warriors [[Roller (IDW)#Unite Warriors|Roller]], or putting the lion's share (pun intended) of [[Victory Leo]]'s fictional appearances back onto Victory Leo's page. With refinements, like say a <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> explanation for what each subpage is for the layperson ("This page covers the events of the Japanese Generation 1 continuity, where Greatshot and Sixshot are the same individual...") and maybe a [[:Category:Transcluded pages]], I could see this really working, and it could probably be bent into shape for repurposed toys as well. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 12:48, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:If we cannot avoid this sort of duplicated information entirely, this does seem like a pretty ideal solve to mitigate the constant peril of copy editing flubs maintaining multiple copies of one write-up entails. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:56, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Is there any way to get rid of the "This section is transcluded from another page. To edit it, please edit the transcluded page." notice? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:06, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:::There is! I just put that there manually while experimenting and also to make clear where the transcluded section is. In practice, since clicking "Edit" on a transcluded section takes you to the source page, a notice like that can be relegated to a commented-out note for editors who click to Edit the entire page (or a larger section). [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 16:16, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I thought it was automatic software stuff. Whoops, never mind. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Also, this works for fiction, but I see it running into issues when it comes to toys. (Thinking of Sixshot/Greatshot, Sixshot always gets toys first with Greatshot as the retool later in the same line.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:14, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:I've made some tweaks to my sandboxes, including standardising the transcluded page. Are there any objections before I start implementing this (in fiction sections)? [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 07:10, 12 February 2022 (EST)
::I sense that there could be an issue in the future where, for whatever reason, these sorts of characters diverge back into separate ones, whether it be through alternate continuities or whatever. Also, in the case of Greatshot, I feel like at the very beginning of his entry, there has to be something different to set up the Sixshot retcon, and just having the same opening text doesn't do that. 08:57, 12 February 2022 (EST)
:::His toy bio that mentions Sixshot as a separate person could go there. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:21, 16 February 2022 (EST)
:This could also be applied to Primus and Vector Sigma for their 3H comics sections since they are one and the same in that continuity. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:26, 26 February 2022 (EST)

== What makes a franchise? Or, does "Precursor World" exist? ==

So, browsing around the wiki, as one does, and came across this: [[Precursor World continuity|Precursor World (franchise)]]

Now, I'm not as well-versed in the Legends + Selects comics, so maybe this is incorrect, but to the best of my understanding, the branding "Precursor World" doesn't exist — this story was told across Generations Selects and Legends, and no toy or story was ever released branded as "Precursor World". It doesn't seem like the name even existed until pretty recently.

This...isn't a franchise, right? It's a long-running story told across various medium, but it's not a franchise, and calling it such implies something that isn't true.

Particularly, the idea that there is a "toyline" seems a bit of a stretch. There are only three listed "official" toys, but none of them were released under the "Precursor World" branding (which near as I can tell does not exist) and the list of "repurposings" seems almost entirely just "this toy/characters showed up in this story" which doesn't seem like anything's been repurposed to me. The IDW comics used a bunch of existing/prior toys, but that doesn't create a toyline of that comic series.

Am I off base here? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:16, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:Okay there's a lot to unpack here but to begin with every single one of those toys is being repurposed as a separate object/character in a separate setting a la, for example, [[Green Tender Convoy]] and the [[Matrix Buster|Red Matrix]]. Most of the unnamed crowdfillers are minimized to footnotes on existing articles to avoid generating a bazillion stubs. The closest analogue I can give you is the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|toyline]] for the original ''Timelines'' iteration of Shattered Glass. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:35, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I'll grant that those indeed seem to be repurposings, but the vast majority of toys on this list merely link to the toy entry for the toy on the regular character's page. I don't think having a list of members of these groups is bad (it's good!) but I don't think this is a toyline. Again, crucially, Shattered Glass has a brand, with the official toys released under that brand, whereas precursor world does not. IDW repurposed WfC/FoC/aligned toys as G1 characters, but this didn't create a virtual toyline associated with that comic. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:46, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:::Arguably Shattered Glass toys weren't really released under their own brand either until the recent Hasbro Pulse stuff, until then the figures were all just released under the ''Timelines'' banner or whatever else Fun Pub used at the time - the idea of a singular "Shattered Glass toyline" was just as much of a constructed idea until like a year ago. I can't say "franchise" and "toyline" ''aren't'' slightly more non-literal labels than usual in this context, but I do think there's value in having the info collated like this, and I can't think of ''better'' labels that aren't something stupid like "(meta franchise)". [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:57, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::::To be honest, I'm inclined to agree re: Shattered Glass, and would not be opposed to restructuring the toyline page to delineate between the "Shatted Glass Collection" and "Shattered Glass toys released via Timelines" or something. Shattered Glass does, however, have a leg up on Precursor World given that every official SG toy was branded as "Shattered Glass" in some way, though perhaps not as a "franchise". The box set is called Shattered Glass, and every official toy was called "Shattered Glass". There's some nuance there, of course, as arguably those are part of the character's names ala "Prime Universe Bulkhead" is still a Legacy toy, not a Prime toy, but I'd be happy to have a debate around the best way to frame Shattered Glass stuff given those discrepancies. Allll that said, Shattered Glass is today a franchise, but there have been zero anythings released with Precursor World branding or labeling. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 13:06, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I don't think the page should be removed or even severely modified, but I do think the terminology is flawed. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 16:02, 3 March 2022 (EST)
Precursor World is definitely not a "franchise" and should not have that label. The model to look at here is the [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] article, which gives an overview of the thing, lists it's stories and toys, but does not use the "franchise" label, and doesn't ''need'' to use it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:07, 3 March 2022 (EST)

Yeah, no, this is not a "franchise", and the page should not be labeled as such. It is a ''setting''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:I like the solution that AzimuthAcolyte gave on Discord: move "Precursor World (franchise)" to "Precursor World continuity" (with all uses of the word "franchise" changed to "continuity") and "Precursor World (toyline)" to "List of Precursor World toys". Simple and elegant. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:55, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Seconded.[[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:::That seems reasonable to me. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::::I'm for that. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::That's fair. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:59, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Works for me, somewhat obviously! If there are no major objections over the next day or two I'll get those moved over. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:48, 4 March 2022 (EST)
::Ohhh, That works -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 18:19, 4 March 2022 (EST)
Alrighty as it's been a day or so with no objections I am proceeding with the moves away from (franchise) and (toyline). --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:06, 5 March 2022 (EST)

== Episode Order ==
It's come to my attention that all cartoons have been listed in production order '''except''' Beast Wars, RID01, RB, and RBA. While I understand production order is not available for the latter two I suggest we change the first two for consistency's sake - Unless I'm wrong and they are ''not'' all in production order. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:48, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:We're not touching Beast Wars. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:52, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
::Beast Wars and RiD'01 not being in production order are accepted exceptions to the norm. We leave them as they are for reasons specific to each. But as for RB and RBA, we do have an idea of the production orders for each, but we instead use a weird mixture of production order and airing order that is consistent with no other series we cover. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:53, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:OK quick correction to myself, turns out that it's all supposed to be chronological order; That just happens to be production order for everything but those four. Sorry! [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 14:09, 16 March 2022 (EDT)

==Help with statues / figurines==
I wrote up many of the [[Super7#Transformers ULTIMATES!|ULTIMATES!]] entries, simply because no one else had. I don't actually care about that sort of merch and it ended up being me paraphrasing from press releases and copying their pics. Just today I learned there are 3 waves of TF [[Minimates]] that have no coverage here at all. It definitely seems like a lot of high-end statues are falling through the cracks as well. Is there someone who is willing to make that stuff more of a project? If not, could we perhaps put out a call for submissions on our Twitter feed? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:47, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I fear this is just... going to continue to be an Issue. The wiki is a labor of love, and the brand is at a point where there's a lot of stuff out there... well, that a lot of people probably aren't gonna love. Hasbro's moichandized the everloving HELL out of TF over the years, with more and more niche "G1" stuff that seemingly would never appeal to people for whom G1 is the big center of their fandom. I mean I just found some Micro Figures merch at a Big Lots, I've never seen these before, and I don't know offhand if they're on the wiki. They're kind of a nothing. It's hard to keep up. Same for stuff like phone games.<br>
:I don't know if there's an actual solution. ''Someone'' certainly needs to step up, but I kinda got my plate overflowing with my own pet (ha ha) niche chunk of TF history to exhaustively document, never mind dealing with stuff I am almost aggressively disinterested in. (Seriously what little Minimates experience I have left me with a worse impression of them than I already had from their hideous aesthetic alone.) Asking Twitter for people more well-versed in this stuff might could help for phone games, but... IS there anyone into Minimates as a whole Brand and not just in a "I get the licenses I like" sense to fill in gaps? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:20, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::Once I had composed the thought "Hey, it's bad that there are a lot of Minimates out with us not covering them at all," it was too late, and I just had to burn 40 minutes on some cut-and-paste writups for the entire series. That's one "solution," I guess, but even ''my'' obsessive-compulsiveness can only go so far. Editing this site really should not feel like a job... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:18, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

==Implementing galleries==
I propose making galleries on character pages a wiki standard. The current mainpic + show screenshots format doesn't cover images like character models (Unless used as a mainpic), concept art, appearances in posters or toy murals, comic book covers, etc.
Other wikis have successfully implemented galleries, I think the Hololive Wiki galleries in particular work well as an example https://hololive.wiki/wiki/Tokino_Sora#Media.
This gallery header covers character models and has suites for concept art and even character uses in collaborative merch.[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:27, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Seconded. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:30, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I would say some version of this concept for a section has merit, if nothing else as a solve for major characters with several prominent character models, perhaps as a fairly unobtrusive method of documenting alt modes, etc etc. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::I'm for this. As a good example, the BotBots characters all look to have been radically redesigned for the show. By default the current standard is to keep the original stock art look will appear as the mainpic each page. Having a gallery option would be a good way to show both versions. [[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Oppose. There is no reason for these to take up space on the character pages. Would not oppose separate "gallery" pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:57, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::If we are open to workshopping implementation I do agree a separate "gallery page" in the style we already use for more conceptual articles here and there would probably be cleaner. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I love the gallery idea. There's a question of how much to include, and the exact implementation details of how to portion out overflow if there's too many images. It's a shame there isn't some way to generate them automatically just by tagging images with the characters they depict. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::A separate page seems like it would be overkill for someone like [[Flamewar (G1)|Flamewar]], who would only take a few images to cover appearances not already covered by fiction section images. I assume if a small gallery was to be used on a character's page, it would be near the bottom at any rate? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:22, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Yes, at the bottom would be ideal, no different from any of the galleries on our artist pages. IMO, separate gallery pages should only be used in instances where the number of images can't be comfortably fit onto one or two lines. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:33, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::I agree with Cyberlink. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:29, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Fair; Using gallery sections for those with few images and gallery pages for those with many images might make sense. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 15:46, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::See [[Megatron (G1)/gallery|G1 Megatron]] and [[Megatron (BW)/gallery|BW Megatron]] for examples of characters with enough images to justify separate gallery pages. [[Rhinox (BW)/gallery|BW Rhinox]], as it is now, is probably right on the line between "split it off" and "stick it at the bottom of the page". -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
I think choosing between a header at the bottom or a suite depending on image amount is a good solution instead of sticking to just one method.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 11:29, 22 March 2022 (EDT)
:Yeah, I think that would be good, as has been pointed out earlier. I do have to ask - because sometimes the artistic difference between characters in comics is slight with details only a little different in shape or kibble - would those fall under gallery stuff? Because they're effectively different per artist interpretation. I would be inclined to say yes, because effectively a different artist's rendition is shown usually of the same character without having reformatted or taken up armor or so forth. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 10:56AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I am very much on board with this idea. Having a gallery section or page depending on the character would be great, especially for characters like Flamewar who have a extremely prominent new design that we can't use as a main pic and for characters who have tons of designs, especially in the case of IDW where some characters change bodies every Tuesday. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:35 AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I think artistic liberty vs. new design would have to be on a case by case basis. Burcham's art of the BW cast wouldn't count for gallery purposes, in my opinion. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:08, 27 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I think it would be cool to have art of the same designs in different artstyles, but I agree it should probably be on case by case basis. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 6:17 PM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I currently have a sandbox to test galleries using Tigatron https://tfwiki.net/wiki/User:MrRald/sandbox/Tigatron#Gallery. I'd appreciate any feedback on things to add or change! [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 23:44, 1 April 2022 (EDT)
::: I like what you have so far, I think we should maybe add a few more versions of Tigatron, like his different comic appearances and such. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]])

: Now that we're actually going ahead with this... I have to ask, what are the galleries actually ''for''? When we were discussing this I was under the impression that they were going to be for "behind-the-scenes" images that wouldn't otherwise have a place on the wiki, like out-of-universe character models, character concept art, or full-body renders from stuff like guidebooks. Right now, a lot of the galleries just feel redundant, given that they're just a bunch of cartoon and comic screengrabs taken from the relevant section and removed of all context... and a lot of them, like [[Blaster (G1)/gallery]] are just completely empty. The fact that every character ''can'' have a gallery does not mean that all of them ''should'', especially if most of them are just going to be redundant or mostly empty. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 18:57, 4 August 2022 (EDT)
::Agreed, I feel like this is bloating the wiki and toeing over the line of our vague remit. Despite having a LOT of images, we're not an image repository. Also, a lot of these could probably be done as a single subsection of the characters' mainpage under below "Notes" of whatever rather than as separate mostly-blank-space sub-pages full of sub-headers with like two images total in them. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 06:11, 5 August 2022 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I didn't think they'd be separate pages. What I was expecting was whichever of the cartoon character model, Dreamwave profile art or package art weren't being used for the mainpic, plus behind-the-scenes stuff, plus maybe extra bits from artbooks, covers, or sources like that. Stuff that can't just be slotted into a fiction writeup—and I don't mean "comic crops we don't have room for because equivalent/better panels are already in the fiction section". —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:35, 5 August 2022 (EDT)
My intentions for the gallery pages were for users to actually do the work in uploading character models, renders, et al., not dumping whatever cartoon screencaps we already have in fiction sections. And separate pages would be on a case by case basis. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:46, 5 August 2022 (EDT)
I don't see the point, honestly. It seems like pretty much any significant body a significant enough character has will appear on the wiki at some point in a comic panel or a toy info image or a screenshot or something, somewhere. I'm not sure this is a problem that needs solving. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] ([[User talk:Hooper X|talk]]) 20:36, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

===G1 model images===
To branch off of this topic, how would we feel about using [https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads/the-most-accurately-coloured-g1-animation-models-online.301/ DM's coloured models] for the G1 cartoon model galleries? The last time I brought this topic up (on Discord), some people were against the idea, due to them being fan-colour works and not official, but a few newer developments have been made since I last brought it up.

To clarify, for those unaware of DM's works:

* All of the line art is original and unedited (unlike several of the models in ''The Ark'' books, which had been tweaked, altered and traced by Bill Forster to make them presentable for publishing).
* The models are the final ones used throughout the majority of the cartoon (in Toei-animated episodes at least). Note: several of the models in ''The Ark'' books we have also come to discover were unfinalized ones, due to the internet and more stuff being made public since what was originally found around 2007—not to discredit Jim and Bill's hard work in putting those books together, it's just some of what we knew then isn't entirely correct now.
* And finally, the colours (which was the big thing some people were against). Unlike the handful of fan-coloured models that were originally uploaded to the wiki in the past, which eye dropped colors straight from poor quality episode masters, DM's colours are based directly on Toei and Marvel Productions' model colour guides, colour codes, charts, colour chips found by a member of the ''Dragon Ball'' fandom (who has scanned and digitized said colour chips) and other original production materials, meaning that the colours DM has used are all coming from the ''original'' original source.

An alternative Mr. Rald had brought up on Discord is that we could possibly look at using the uncoloured model line art instead, if people feel strongly against using fan-coloured works, but I think in order to present the G1 character models fully as references, you kinda need the colours included, especially given how poor the cartoon production was, what with all the animation errors (even in Toei episodes) etc, making it hard to gather decent references for the characters, which is mostly what these galleries are for.

Also, for the record, DM has given us permission to use his colourings on the wiki.

Let me know you thoughts. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 01:39, 6 April 2022 (EDT)

: I personally think that we should use DM's coloured models, they are as official as coloured models are going to get, and it's not like DM just randomly picked and chose want colours to use as FOCS said. We could just have the model and the colour guide, but at that point, just have the model sheet coloured. I would however be in favour of the uncoloured models with colour guides and the sheets with the fully coloured models to cover all our bases. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:16 AM, 6 April 2022 (PDT)

== Making a page for the Unreal Engine? ==

War for Cybertron, Dark of the Moon (PS3/X360), Fall of Cybertron, and Rise of the Dark Spark all run on Unreal Engine, specifically Unreal Engine 3. Why isn't there a page for it. It could have good info on those wanting to mod those games.

Unrelated, but there's a server revival project being worked on for those games. Right now it's only on PC, and progress is slow, but should we include info for it in the pages for those games? It's not official btw, there's a Discord server for it and a few YouTube vids about it.[[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]]) 17:29, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I'm not sure what information we could put on an Unreal Engine page that would be useful to modders. An Unreal Engine page would be general info on the engine and a list of games which use it. Diving into technical details isn't really something we do. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:52, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I think linking to {{W|Unreal Engine|Wikipedia}} should be sufficient. That's what I did when I ''unfortunately'' had to document the Funko NFTs. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:11, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I don't see what value there would be to this. Unreal warrants, at ''most'', a mention on the relevant game pages. We don't have pages for every program used to make every piece of TF media/product. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:33, 24 March 2022 (EDT)

== Category for characters with no established gender ==

So I just had this idea and decided to share it here because why not? We have categories for female characters and variable gender characters but not for characters with undetermined genders. Many BotBots for example don't have genders and I think this category could be a useful way of grouping them together. And who knows, maybe someday it could even help official creators specifically looking for genderless characters to establish a gender to them. Does anyone agree to implement this category? -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 19:06, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
:This concept has been discussed before in the past, and generally the feeling has been that this would be a bit too much like the wiki actively trying to shape canon. Don't get me wrong, creators taking advantage of characters with no official pronouns is neat and I'm all for it, but IMO the wiki shouldn't directly serve up them. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 19:26, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
::Interestingly, I can't seem to find a prior community portal discussion about this matter, though I know it has come up on the Discord server more than once, to the conclusion Jalaguy mentioned. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 19:35, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
:::Just to clarify, I thought of "official creators using it" as a quick example in favor of the category, but now I can totally see how it sounded like trying to influence canon too much. Regardless, I'd still be down for having the category if we agreed on it being useful for any other reason. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 19:51, 3 April 2022 (EDT)

== Category for trans characters ==

We had a productive conversation about the no established gender thing on the wiki discord and it made me realize that there should be a transgender category for the five established trans characters that there are so far, Arcee (who has established trans characterization on two different pages), Howlback, Arcadis, Anode, and Lug. Jalaguy mentioned that this has been discussed and people thought it was a good idea but it hasn't happened, so I just thought I'd ask for go-ahead on this. I figured that transgender rather than just trans could be a good word to use for this, due to them all being people who have gender. The term trans is merely more broad and could cover different kinds of transness than that or aesthetic stuff that is similar to gender, but we have no confirmation of being there yet in canon. Thus I think transgender would be the most accurate and desirable term here, and the umbrella trans can always be tacked on later if we need to. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 5:40PM 3 April 2022 (PDT) (edited 5:48PM PDT for clarity)
:Seconded. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 5:53 PM, 3 April 2022 (PDT)
::Since there are no objections, I'll go ahead. :3 -- [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 4:19AM, 11 April 2022 (PDT)

==Streamlining disambig headers (revist)==
So I remember this conversation from last year about streamlining the disambiguation headers. I checked back on the talk page discussion (link to said discussion archive here https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive69#Streamlining_disambig_headers) to see what happened and even though there was a lot of people who liked the idea with some who did not, it did not seem like it went anywhere. I thought I'd see if anyone else would like to revisit this idea as I feel like this would streamline things more, especially for Movie and Aligned and maybe a bit of UT especially for the guys who show up in all 3 shows or those don't have other bots who are completely different sharing the same name within the trilogy. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 9:01 PM, 12 April 2022 (PDT)

== Disambig tags and suites for Masterforce paired pages ==

We need to balance out our page titles for ''Masterforce'' human + transtector character pairs. Right now we have among extant pages and tentative redlinks:

Bullhorn (G1), Cab (human), Cancer (G1), Clouder, Ginrai (human), Shūta Gō, Lightfoot (G1), Minerva (human), Ranger, Road King, Wilder (G1)

Bullhorn (robot), Cab (robot), Cancer (robot), [something], Ginrai (robot), Goshooter, Lightfoot (robot), Minerva (G1 robot), Ranger (robot), Road King (robot), Wilder (robot)

I propose either we do human gets no species tag with the robot getting a species tag as the splinter page:

Bullhorn (G1) | Bullhorn (G1)/robot

or the human does get a species tag to equally balance with the robot:

Bullhorn (G1)/human | Bullhorn (G1)/robot

This would eliminate the need to have any longer-within-parentheses tag like "Minerva (G1 robot)" which would be affected by future continuities which may not yet have happened. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:55, 22 April 2022 (EDT)
:I would prefer either the human gets the "default" continuity tag with no further disambiguation or (human)/(robot) (with needed variations for disambiguation). The slash system is ugly to me. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:59, 22 April 2022 (EDT)
::I'm of the opinion that the slash option for both feels the most fair. While the human versions were the first and thus feel the most deserving of the "default" tag, the robot versions are likely to become more commonplace and relevant as newer fiction dips its toes into using more Japanese characters. On a similar note, it was decided not to give the "BW" tag to either BW Silverbolt out of fairness, so while a similar "human/robot" concept could be implemented, there is the problem with Minerva having an Animated counterpart who is also a robot, Cancer having an Animated counterpart who is also a human, there being a Kre-O Bullhorn who is also a robot, a G.I. Joe Lightfoot who is also a human, and an IDW Wilder who is also a human. "Minerva (Headmaster)" also doesn't work for the G1 robot since the human was a Headmaster too. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 16:29, 22 April 2022 (EDT)
::The slash system may not be entirely visually pleasant, but I consider having "Minerva (G1 robot)" in parentheses worse. In my proposal, all transtector characters would be unified symmetrically as "(robot)". [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:47, 24 April 2022 (EDT)

Here are three proposals to unify the namespaces:

Possibility 1: humans get nothing and robots get slashes

Bullhorn (G1), Cab, Cancer (G1), Clouder, Ginrai, Shūta Gō, Lightfoot (G1), Minerva (G1), Ranger, Road King, Wilder (G1)

Bullhorn (G1)/robot, Cab/robot, Cancer (G1)/robot, Doubleclouder, Ginrai/robot, Goshooter, Lightfoot (G1)/robot, Minerva (G1)/robot, Ranger/robot, Road King/robot, Wilder (G1)/robot

Possibility 2: both humans and robots get slashes

Bullhorn (G1)/human, Cab/human, Cancer (G1)/human, Clouder/human, Ginrai/human, Shūta Gō/human, Lightfoot (G1)/human, Minerva (G1)/human, Ranger/human, Road King/human, Wilder (G1)/human

Bullhorn (G1)/robot, Cab/robot, Cancer (G1)/robot, Doubleclouder, Ginrai/robot, Goshooter, Lightfoot (G1)/robot, Minerva (G1)/robot, Ranger/robot, Road King/robot, Wilder (G1)/robot

Possibility 3: both humans and robots get parentheses

Bullhorn (G1 human), Cab (human), Cancer (G1 human), Clouder, Ginrai (human), Shūta Gō, Lightfoot (G1 human), Minerva (G1 human), Ranger (human), Road King (human), Wilder (G1 human)

Bullhorn (G1 robot), Cab (robot), Cancer (G1 robot), Doubleclouder, Ginrai (robot), Goshooter, Lightfoot (G1 robot), Minerva (G1 robot), Ranger (robot), Road King (robot), Wilder (G1 robot)

Thoughts? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 01:12, 12 June 2022 (EDT)
:Isn't Option 1 one basically just a slightly different version of what we're already using and what you're proposing to change in the first place? Anyway, like I said above, Option 2 is the most fair between the human and robot depictions (as Option 1 feels like we're saying "The human versions are the more important versions" when it's the robot versions that are more likely to get any representation in future comic appearances), and it reduces the amount of multiple-word parentheses tags that we usually dislike using and try to avoid as best we can (which is the exact opposite of what Option 3 is proposing). Though, drop the "/human" from Clouder and Shūta Gō since their names already differ from "Doubleclouder" and "Goshooter". No need to complicate those two. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 08:45, 12 June 2022 (EDT)

==Transformers: Armada (Trading Card Collection)==
I recently discovered that Fleer published a Trading Card collection in 2003 for Transformers Armada.
I've documented everything I could find about it - including an Energon (preview) Scorponok card I got from a local retro game store.
[[Iacon0/Sandbox]]
Is it alright if I roll this out? [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 12:52, 1 May 2022 (EDT)

== WFC/FOC Reenergized Server Project info? ==

Info: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLO5yzrWE9yVT56Rgxl9oqntVysxWr2k7e

Basically, it brings back the multiplayer servers for the Cybertron games, PC and PS3. Should this be talked about in the pages for those games? (ROTDS and ROTF aren't online at the moment, and 360 versions won't have support) [[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]])}
:It's not official, so no, it shouldn't. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 14:54, 27 June 2022 (EDT)

== Handling of "former GoBots" and "former Diaclone" characters on the wiki ==

So recently we've been seeing multiple characters that had previously been portrayed as dimension-hoppers from non-Transformers realities, but using Transformers designs — [[Bug Bite (GoBots)]], [[Burn Out (Diaclone)]] and [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)]] — appearing as "normal" Transformers ([[Bug Bite (G1)]], [[Burn Out (Diaclone)]], [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)]]). There's some heavy dispute over whether we should put them on the same page or split them out (e.g. "since the GoBots Bug Bite isn't ''originally'' from a G1 universe, he shouldn't go on the G1 Bug Bite page), so I thought we should probably have a centralised place to put together a comprehensive set of standards.

My take, personally, is that GoBots and Diaclone are *not* continuity families, they're their own properties that happen to cross over with Transformers, and so shouldn't be split on that basis. I feel that Burn Out and Lift-Ticket, regardless of them being portrayed as Diaclone mecha in their initial appearance, are the same basic concept as the likes of Road Rage and Tigertrack — "Transformers versions" of existing Diaclone toys and decoes. It helps that [[Spin-Out (G1)]] inherently blurs the lines, having first appeared as a "normal" Transformer ''before'' he was portrayed as a former Diaclone mech.

For the GoBots characters, I'd frankly be tempted to go even more radical and just merge ''all'' of them — put all the [[Cy-Kill (disambiguation)|Cy-Kill]] cameos on one page, like we do for other external property characters. Even in the edge cases like [[Fracture (Movie)|Fracture]], there's the precedent of her actually being intended as just ''being'' the GoBot. It feels a lot simpler to me than the headache of having Bug Bite, the white Bumblebee who appeared in G1 stories, and Bug Bite, the ''other'' white Bumblebee who appeared in G1 stories, having separate pages on a technicality. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:57, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:Hard disagree on GoBots. By virtue of covering the Scioli comic in full, we have a GoBots continuity family to put them in. I say keep the ones who are explicitly GoBots at (GoBots), and put the ones who are Transformers (or ambiguous) at their respective continuity families. Basically, what we're doing for Bug Bite, do for all of them. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:23, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:I don't agree on movie-Fracture in specific and the mass-merge of ''all'' GoBots-based characters in general. Fracture's a movie-universe character who premiered in a movie-based toyline and appeared in movie-timeline fiction. "The toy was originally conceived as" holds very little water there in light of all the rest of that. I'm not wild about merging characters from different continuity families (aka "major franchise umbrellas", the point of that divide was always less "fiction-detail based" and more "real-world Hasbro/Takara starting over based" as an organizational tool), as that leans heavily towards the Wikipedia style "just lump 'em all together" manner that... doesn't really work for our scope. There's SG Bug Bite and Crasher too, I don't think they should go under a giant singular page for the character concept.
: But ''in general'' I agree with keeping stuff like Lift-Ticket and Burn Out together because the distinction is really too nitpicky to be useful. If we get an EarthSpark Lift-Ticket who is a red Hoist-like bot, then they can go on a separate page because "new major franchise umbrella" gives a decent degree of separation. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:25, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:: Oh, well, the SG GoBots are an obvious exception. If it's a "mirror universe" I feel like it should never share a page because the point is that it's the opposite.
:: That said, there are other nuances I admit I skimmed over — stuff like Wings Universe Cop-Tur, who's based on the original but is a secret genius and a good guy, I'm not sure he should be merged in. At the same time, though, splitting the Bug Bites feels disingenuous, and I'm not sure whether there's a good middle ground between "split 'em all" and "merge 'em all". --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 20:44, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:::I also agree there isn't really a good middle ground. But here's the thing: If GoBots wasn't a factor and it was just G1 and Cyberverse, we wouldn't be having this conversation. At the end of the day, they're from another IP, but they're also genuine Transformers characters, and thus they should remain split like other Transformers characters. And that includes treating the genuine GoBot incarnations as separate entities. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:51, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:::I am, honestly, not sold either way on splitting/merging re: the "very distinctly the Tonka GoBots who originated from the Tonka GoBots franchise". I feel that there are '''''definitely''''' some bots that should not be merged with the Tonkas, by virtue of being from different continuity-families/hub-franchises (bots from the live action movies and Cyberverse, for example, should really stay separate). I'm less concerned about "in-fiction origin" because that's a clusterfuck all its own since 1984 best just left alone and we already disregard that for like Nebulans and stuff anyway, though I'd also argue that like, it should be taken into consideration the diff between an homage and an iteration (I'd argue ''Timelines'' Cop-Tur is the former and probably shouldn't be merged). But even just looking at them from the real-world staggered integration of the franchises, GoBots ARE a weird edge case (whaaat, something Scioli was involved in got weird? ''nnnoooOOOOOooooo'') and it kinda feels off to not treat them as a separate thing given their ultimate origins. But like, they are, functionally, "G1" characters as far as "how they were brought to TF" goes in the real world, and I'm not convinced that splitting out WFC Bug Bite is really a good idea or terribly helpful. So like, I dunno. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 02:06, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::::And then there's the ''very'' unique case of GoBots Stretch having been given a retroactive backstory of being born in the world of Transformers Animated before he crossed dimensions and became a GoBot. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 02:23, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
:::::If anything, Stretch is a Transformer pretending to be a GoBot.
:::::The criteria that keep this wiki running and readable have always had some smudgy bits, and if you stare too long at any of them pretty soon all one sees is the smudge, not the dividing line or even the story itself. Cyberverse and Prime are each ''basically'' a retelling of G1, and if they didn't have a few features we've accepted as clear dividers from "real" G1, they could have gone within G1 just as much as the IDW comics have. The divisions are necessary to keep information from being a useless, unstructured, unnavigable mess; hopefully we can draw the lines in a way that comes to require the fewest exceptions later. '''My thoughts''': when there's a Bug Bite whose origin is explicitly "I'm not a Transformer, I'm hiding among them, creatures like myself find Transformers to be nauseating uncanny valley aliens," then that's a pretty extreme division, more extreme than many others we've been holding up for years without controversy, and should stay very much separate from any other Bug Bites who are just plain ol' white car Transformers. The various Cy-Kill cameos in G1 and Armada should stay separate, just because that's how we handle other hi-and-die cameos across firm storyline borders (Animated Overlord, SG Krok). I agreed at first with splitting the Burnouts/Lift-Tickets, but if it is really causing a huge dilemma I do not object to re-merging them. Each pair exists within the G1 storytelling universe. It is not essential that we build 2 different pages for G1 universe Lift-Tickets where one of them is a Diaclone mech and the other looks just like it and comes from someplace called Diaclone. We could paper that over with a "Note" explanation. The really important part is that both the Burn-Out and Lift-Ticket cases must get the same resolution. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 05:10, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
:I vote for split. I regret ever pushing for merging similar concepts around the time of ''Ask Vector Prime'' because a decade ago this wouldn't have been a question, it would have been settled with "obvious they're different characters." [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:38, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:Strongly in favor of putting the Diaclones back together so long as they remain essentially G1 guys. Especially since we now have ''two nigh-identical Burn-Out pages that differ only by which sliver of fiction section they possess''. Moderately in favor of putting all the dumb Cy-Kill cameos together because, like, it's only moderately funny to split out Cy-Kill (Armada) on a technicality. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:47, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:: I'm going to stay out of the Bugbite / Fracture question. I'm too involved on the creative side. I think Walky nails it about Burn-Out & Lift-Ticket. And probably the Cy-Kill cameos too. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 21:11, 29 July 2022 (EDT)

:I have to ask: if this is a concern, why did we split out the Cloud articles a month ago. Because they also are clearly designed to look like G1 characters, and aside from some minor changes in personality and dimension hopping stuff (which also applies to these three examples here), are near-identical in fiction to their Generation 1 counterparts. What makes them different from Bug Bite, Burn Out, and Lift-Ticket? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:29, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::Lead Cloud translator here. As we discussed in-depth at the time, the Cloud characters do nothing *but* dimension hop and frequently cross over with the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity and their own G1 incarnations, rendering them nigh unintelligible when buried in A-list G1 articles. The Cloud issue was one of logistics and readability, not one on the philosophy of intrinsic "G1-ness," as I believe was said at the time. I would also argue something on the scale of Cloud is a different discussion entirely from the current topic of merging two one-paragraph articles.

::On a most practical level re-merging a thoroughly deliberated and reasonably large scale split from a couple months ago just strikes me as kind of a waste of community resources.

::For those that missed it the impetus was translating the other 80-90% of the prose and the discussion can be found [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Splitting_Cloud_characters|here]]. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:40, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

Had a brainwave about a potential way to handle the GoBots characters—as a compromise between "treating them like full Transformers characters" and "treating them like external properties", use the GoBots page as a "hub" for the others. I've mocked up a couple of sandboxes for [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Cy-Kill|Cy-Kill]] and [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Bug Bite|Bug Bite]]. Any thoughts? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:16, 31 July 2022 (EDT)
:If we absolutely have to (which I still really don't agree with) I'd prefer this over full fledged merging. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:02, 31 July 2022 (EDT)
:I think this is a good compromise. The important thing is that there's a clear delineation between the dimension-hopping GoBots and native Cybertronians, and I think this fits the bill. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:03, 31 July 2022 (EDT)
::I still don't like the idea of rolling in the ''Cyberverse'' Bug Bite or any other not-G1-franchise iterations on the GB character concepts (like movieverse Fracture), even in the proposed super-abridged-and-linked-to-main-article format. For the appearances within the franchise of TF-origin, sure, I think this works. Cy-Kill's multiverse of murder... ehn. I'm not really feeling strongly either way but like we got hi-then-die charcater micropages aplenty, I don't think Cy is something terribly unique to not get them. Like... we got a page for "the many deaths of Optimus Prime", I feel like "the many deaths of Cy-Kill" could probably stand to be its own thing if we REALLY wanted to hammer the point of how stupid and hack it is home. Which, come to think about it, I kinda DO. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:42, 31 July 2022 (EDT)
:::Ah, see, Fracture was something I was specifically thinking of here — I thought it would work to accomodate both the original intent and how she's been tied back to Crasher in <s>Jim's nonsense</s> fan-targeted media while still respecting the practical reality of Fracture as her own, movieverse character. That said, I do understand your reluctance, so if the majority is against this I'm not too fussed. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:22, 1 August 2022 (EDT)
:::Yeah, it feels like "Bug Bite, the white Bumblebee" is its own Transformers thing at this point. He may have originated as a GoBots transplant (both in real life and in fiction), but that doesn't automatically make every iteration of Bug Bite a GoBot, any more than every subsequent iteration of Lockdown or Lugnut is considered an Animated character. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 04:34, 1 August 2022 (EDT)
::::I appreciate the work Riptide put into this and like the writing / presentation style employed... and I just still don't think it's necessary. Between disambigs and "You Look Familiar...", we already have ways to cope with characters who look alike across different continuities but who aren't the same character. Most of these transplanted GoBots are absolutely not the same characters as each other - most of the Cy-Kill cameos, Cyberverse Bug Bite. There is no need for us to build a new way to unite those cross-continuity characters when nothing unites them more than the "basic concepts" that we've kept separate on hundreds of other name / appearance reuses. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:43, 1 August 2022 (EDT)
::I adore this brain blast, over and above what I proposed below (as it actually accommodates, in Cy-Kill's case, say, the ''Armada/TransTech/Animated'' cameos), and think the fact that people on both sides of this polarising issue aren't immediately opposed to it makes it strike me as a really good compromise. I still would prefer the ''Diaclone'' pages to be merged with their G1 counterparts, but whether or not it's a full merge or just the "main article" structure here, the intro phrasing proposed with Cy-Kill and Bug-Bite is perfect in my opinion. The key thing for me is that, when people look up info on Cy-Kill or Burn Out, they still find a pointer to the relevant information at the exact point they'd expect it to be, and not only that, but they can chart the entire conceptual history of the character on one page (I know the disambigs theoretically do the same, but in practise Jo's approach is much more effective). Assuming the same policy isn't applied to ''Uprising'' appearances, I still think something should be done about those—but otherwise I'd be very happy with this. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:16, 1 August 2022 (EDT)

So as I understand it, the consensus is that Diaclone characters should share a page with their G1 counterparts, and that — at least for the moment — GoBot characters should be left as-is, with White Bumblebee's G1 adventures split between the GoBot and G1 pages? Would appreciate some more input before we begin implementing this. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:09, 2 August 2022 (EDT)
:I still don't like the Diaclone thing but clearly I'm outvoted. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:48, 2 August 2022 (EDT)
:More or less. I'm fine with rolling G1 WFC Bug Bite in with the explicitly-GoBots one in the manner test-bedded above on the same grounds as the whole "Nebulan/Cybertronian" deal with Targetmaster gun-bots we've done forever; I think the proposed format both works with the way we've handled disparate depictions between different fictions within the same franchise chunk for a very long time now while noting the important real-world issues with these transplanted characters. And it's not like the combo page would be anywhere near big enough to make a split-out necessary. But I'm willing to table that for the moment while moving ahead with rolling the Diaclones back in. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:15, 2 August 2022 (EDT)
::I agree with this completely. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 08:11, 3 August 2022 (EDT)
:Diaclone characters should share pages with G1 counterparts who are also canonically said to be Diaclone-y. If we ever get a "Gobots Universe Bug Bite" that would be merged too - but just "white car Bug Bite" should not. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:21, 3 August 2022 (EDT)

==Proposal re: G1 pages==
I'm not expecting anything other than a hard "no" on this from the vast majority of editors, but a few people impelled me to post it, so here goes. In particular, I think this perspective is one held by many casual readers of the wiki. As I said over on [[Talk:Burn Out (Diaclone)|Burn Out's talk page]], I think both camps feel a sense of "''obviously'' these are (not) the same character", depending on whether they're coming from a strictly in-universe perspective or not. I want to put that whole discussion into an even broader perspective. Plus, I think the list of characters below is an interesting resource in its own right.

For ages, the wiki's had it so G1 appearances of characters originating in ''Robots in Disguise''—such as [[Sky-Byte (RID)]]—just get put on those pages. My understanding is that RID was considered something of a special case, because of how it was originally conceived as an in-continuity G1 thing, and remained such in Japanese continuity. For a less-prominent example, see also ''[[Power Core Combiners]]'', which similarly lists the IDW G1 appearances of [[Smolder (PCC)]] and [[Steamhammer (PCC)]] just on those pages. Again, this was a special case, because PCC was never concretely established as being a live-action movieverse thing or a G1 thing (which makes sense, because in Hasbro's eyes at the time, that wasn't a distinction that mattered to them).

There are other areas on the wiki that take a continuity-agnostic approach; I think it's just character pages that are handled so strictly. Check out [[Noisemaze Mass Production Type Version]]—which honestly ''is'' a character page in every way that matters—for a recently-made-relevant-again example. For many bigger-picture concept pages, a similar approach is used to great effect: [[Transformation]], [[Scanning]], [[Energon]], [[Protoform]], [[Spark]], [[Living metal]], [[Mini-Con]], [[Energon mutation]], just to grab a few random examples.

To draw attention to one last point, which I predict will resonate a lot with people who already agree with me and not at all with people who don't: any and all ''Beast Wars'' or ''Beast Machines'' original characters are exempt from this issue—despite, on a real-world level, there not really being any difference between those franchises and the likes of ''Armada'' or ''Animated''. It's just the lore connection that keeps it tethered, despite the wiki treating it as its ''own'' continuity family in basically every other way that matters.

My specific proposal is this: '''for characters originating ''outside of G1'', don't keep separate G1 pages.''' Treat those characters as we do Sky-Byte, ignoring the "continuity family" divide, and put the appearances on the page where they're most relevant. Here are the salient benefits of this approach:
*Have all the information on many popular post-G1 characters in the place where most casual readers would expect to look.
*Cut the Gordian knot of the GoBots/Diaclone debate.
*Finally ditch all those (BWU) pages consisting of a single sentence and a duplicated toy entry.
*Fewer redundant toy writeups which need to be maintained in parallel.
*Far, far fewer awkward paragraphs in Notes sections talking about "continuity transplants" like those are a real thing.

Here is a list of pages which I think would be affected, sorted by continuity, just from an hour or so of searching:
*'''''Diaclone''''': [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)]], [[Burn Out (Diaclone)]]
*'''''GoBots''''': [[Bug Bite (G1)]], [[Crasher (G1)]], [[Cy-Kill (G1)]], [[Leader-1 (G1)]], [[Rest-Q (G1)]], [[Cop-Tur (G1)]] (!)
*'''''Armada''''': [[Hot Shot (G1)]], [[Red Alert (IDW)]], [[Demolisher (G1)]], [[Tidal Wave (G1)]], [[Sideways (RM)]] (!), [[Treadshot (IDW)]]
*'''''Energon''''': [[Steam Hammer]], [[Doom-Lock (BWU)]], [[Avalon (BWU)]]
*'''''Cybertron''''': [[Override (BWU)]], [[Ransack (IDW)]], [[Wing Saber (BWU)]], [[Cannonball (G1)]], [[Signal Lancer (G1)]], [[Shortround (BWU)]]
*'''Movies''': [[Barricade (IDW)]], [[Black-Out]], [[Reckage]], [[Hatchet (BWU)]], [[Breacher (G1)]], [[Terradive (G1)]], [[Hailstorm (G1)]], [[Skipjack (BWU)]], [[Sea Spray (BWU)]], [[Fearswoop (BWU)]], [[Depthcharge (BWU)]], [[Rav (BWU)]], [[Evac (BWU)]], [[Drydock (BWU)]], [[Photon (BWU)]]
*'''''Animated''''': [[Bulkhead (G1)]] (!), [[Lugnut (TF 2010)]], [[Lockdown (G1)]], [[Slipstream (G1)]] (!), [[Oil Slick (G1)]], [[Lightbright (G1)]], [[Lickety-Split (G1)]]
*'''''TransTech''''': [[Ego (BWU)]]
*'''''War for Cybertron''''': [[Contrail (BWU)]], [[Sigil (BWU)]], [[Halogen (G1)]], [[Gauntlet (BWU)]]
*'''''Prime''''': [[Knock Out (G1)]], [[Breakdown (IDW)]], [[Airachnid (G1)]], [[Predaking (Kingdom)]], [[Ser-Ket (BWU)]], [[Rot Gut (BWU)]], [[Twinstrike (BWU)]], [[Gaidora (BWU)]], [[Budora (BWU)]], [[Darksteel (BWU)]], [[Vertebreak (BWU)]], [[Grimwing (BWU)]], [[Blackbeak (BWU)]], [[Judora (BWU)]]
*'''''Rescue Bots''''': [[Medix (G1)]]
*'''''Robots in Disguise''''': [[Strongarm (G1)]], [[Thunderhoof (BWU)]], [[Bisk (BWU)]], [[Paralon (BWU)]], [[Quillfire (BWU)]], [[Scatterspike (G1)]], [[Ped (BWU)]], [[Psychobat (BWU)]], [[Headlock (G1)]], [[Springload (BWU)]], [[Transit (G1)]], [[Fracture (Cybertron)]], [[Snitch (BWU)]], [[Razorgrille (BWU)]]
*'''''Cyberverse''''': [[Shadow Striker (G1)]], [[Croaton (G1)]], [[Meteorfire (G1)]], [[Wildwheel (G1)]]
*'''''Transformers Online''''': [[Doomwings (G1)]], [[Ursa Major (G1)]], [[Astral Knight (BWU)]], [[Psychic Shortstop (BWU)]], [[Wrath Thunder (BWU)]], [[Deep Blue (BWU)]]
*'''Mini-Cons''': (deep breath) [[Synapse (BWU)]], [[Black Out]], [[Twirl (G1)]], [[Steamhammer (BWU)]], [[Sky Blast (G1)]], [[Sureshock (G1)]], [[Flat-Out (BWU)]], [[Six-Speed (BWU)]], [[Zapmaster (BWU)]], [[Crumplezone (BWU)]], [[Cannon (BWU)]], [[Bulge (BWU)]], [[Bomb (BWU)]], [[Shot (BWU)]], [[Crack (BWU)]], [[Thunderblast (BWU)]], [[Wreckage (BWU)]], [[Bonecrusher (BWU)]], [[Broadside (BWU)]], [[Tankor (BWU)]], [[Caliburn (BWU)]], [[Torque (BWU)]], [[Bilge (BWU)]], [[Search (BWU)]], [[Refute (BWU)]], [[Kingbolt (BWU)]], [[Starcatcher (BWU)]], [[Clench (BWU)]], [[Run-Over (BWU)]], [[Deepdive (BWU)]], [[Astro-Sinker (BWU)]], [[Snow Cat (BWU)]], [[Draft (BWU)]], [[Screw (BWU)]], [[Aston (BWU)]] (deep sigh)
*'''Other''': [[Terrastar (BWU)]], [[Hyperborea (BWU)]], [[Alchemor (BWU)]], [[Minion of Unicron (BWU)]]
I assuredly missed some, so feel free to edit the lists above to add any other characters that would be affected by this proposal which are omitted!

Again, the vast majority of these are from ''Beast Wars Uprising'', which does have some weird lingering cases that would need further individual discussion, I think: [[Clobber (BWU)]], [[Apex (BWU)]], [[Offshoot (BWU)]], [[Cybaxx (BWU)]], [[Overbite (BWU)]], and [[Terrorcon (BWU)]]. But for the most part, I really don't see any reason why there should be all these tiny nothing pages; the only reason all those Mini-Cons were not called Mini-Cons is that in the ''Uprising'' universe, Mini-Cons are called Micromasters instead (which is the lore equivalent of "[[Barricade (G1)]] doesn't look like he's made of knives"). This is even ''less'' an irreconcilable lore detail than, for example, the organic/robotic split for Targetmasters and the like. My main goal with sharing this is to revisit the ''Uprising'' policy, because from where I'm sitting, it's resulted in exactly the same horribly inconvenient setup as the ''Diaclone'' stuff. A different, specific policy there would deal with most of the examples above, and I'd be very happy; what I've suggested is just a one-size-fits-all policy.

The weirdest victim of this stated policy, I think, is that of [[Bulkhead (G1)]], who technically originated with Animated, but whose appearances in G1 media have all drawn specifically from the ''Prime'' version. [[Slipstream (G1)]] is in a similar situation. I guess my proposal here would be to actually split the G1 content across the various pages: [[Slipstream (Animated)]], [[Slipstream (WFC)]] and [[Slipstream (Cyberverse)]], depending on which specific version is being depicted. That means all of the Bulkhead appearances would actually go on the ''Prime'' page. I really don't feel strongly on this detail, though. [[Cop-Tur (G1)]], as mentioned in the above discussion, is another edge case. One more strange case ''not'' listed above is that of [[Emissary (IDW)]], who homages the ''Robots in Disguise'' character but genuinely has what I'd consider to be a radically different portrayal, likely inspired as much by the ''Titans Return'' figure as anything.

To be clear, I consider G1 a special case because of how it's a catch-all label for anything that isn't Hasbro's newest ground-up reboot du jour. Like it or not, G1 usually doesn't actually mean "G1" any more, it just means ''Transformers''. I absolutely wouldn't want to start merging anything from other continuity families—that way pure madness lies. But I think this proposal has clear-cut criteria for inclusion, and would feel more consistent with other areas of existing wiki policy. To give a specific, relevant example: I don't think [[Fracture (Movie)]]'s appearances should be folded onto her merged ''GoBots'' page as some have suggested, ''but'' I do think her toy writeup should be on both without any "blah blah repurposed" hedging, and likewise for the other movieverse characters based on redecos designed by [[Joe Kyde]] contemporaneously with Classics and Universe with specific G1 characters (mostly Micromasters) in mind, some of which were even intended to be released as part of the ''Universe'' toyline. These being: [[Fracture (Movie)]], [[Big Daddy (Movie)]], [[Jolt (Movie)]], [[Grindcore (Movie)]], [[Breakaway (Movie)]], and [[Crankcase (Movie)]]. [[Mudflap (Movie)]] and [[Inferno (Movie)]] are basically the exact same but nobody ever talks about that.

Finally, I think [[Gigatron (G1)]]/[[Overlord (G1)]], [[Zaptrap]]/[[Kuwagatrer]], and [[Rotorbolt (Timelines)]]/[[Skyklik]]/[[Fumes]] should prrrooobably be revisited? In the former two cases, they exist due to niche media establishing them as separate individuals within the same continuity, but we already have precedent for dealing with that—see [[Hot Shot (G1)]]. I will concede that the Rotorbolt situation is quite funny.

I understand that the wiki is structured the way it is for good reasons, but the post-[[Evergreen]] state of the franchise is one where most writers are plucking characters from anywhere in the franchise's history without any significant changes to their depiction. The existing policy will only become more cumbersome as time goes on, in my eyes—I know for many editors, the list of pages above is a horrible scary list of Exceptions, but from where I'm sitting, they feel more like exceptions as they already stand? —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 07:25, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
:As someone who is basically sympathetic to your goals and not knee-jerk opposed to the idea, this:
:::"Slipstream (G1) is in a similar situation. I guess my proposal here would be to actually split the G1 content across the various pages: Slipstream (Animated), Slipstream (WFC) and Slipstream (Cyberverse), depending on which specific version is being depicted."
:is the worst thing I've ever read. Just, why? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 08:14, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::I was mostly being glib, I don't have a good answer there! Just wanted to draw attention to the fact that it ''would'' be a problem with the proposal. It's also been pointed out that all of [[Lockdown (G1)|Lockdown]]'s appearances are visually based on the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' toy! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 08:56, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

:Absolutely not. There's so much here that's based on false assumptions/incorrect information that I absolutely refuse to take any of this seriously. Concepts are on the same page because they are just that: concepts. There's so much to pick apart here but because I have important things to do, I'll just say that right now, the only reason why there was ''ever'' any confusion over Power Core Combiners is because fans took behind the scenes information from the company overly literally. You actually look at the one piece of information about the toyline (the brief history provided directly by Hasbro the club) and it makes it abundantly clear that it was always meant to be movieverse; I even argued back at the time about Smoulder and Steamhammer being put on that page, and the only reason why it's still that way is because the argument just fizzled out. And once again, I really have to ask: why the hell are we pushing forward merges based on "vibes" when we still keep the Sideways' (someone who is actually said in fiction to all be the same guy) apart based on moronic, petty reasons? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:01, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

:Yeah, no, sorry, I think this is ultimately unhelpful and going to cause more accessibility issues than it solves. "The wiki sorts the brand into broad franchise-based chunks (G1/BW, UT, movie, etc), and characters are split up by which of those chunks they appeared in" is perhaps a little confusing to new readers, but it's ultimately fairly self-consistent and easy to navigate once you understand the basic concept; "The wiki sorts the brand into broad franchise-based chunks (G1/BW, UT, movie, etc), and characters are split up by which of those chunks they appeared in, with the exception of RID01 which shares its pages with G1, and any latter-day characters imported into G1, which go on the pages of their non-G1 incarnations" is very confusing and requires you to be deep in the sauce to understand which characters are and are not exceptions to the rule. I obviously think that flexibility of the system is a good thing — the RID/G1 merge, while less than ideal, is definitely the best way to solve a very unintuitive issue — but the more holes we poke in the tower the closer it comes to collapsing, if you catch my drift.
:Ultimately I think the occasional silliness of "Shadow Striker (G1) who is identical to Shadow Striker (Cyberverse)" and such is the price we pay for having any structure whatsoever. The more we make exceptions on the basis of ultimately arbitrary "well this one's SO similar" the less consistent the wiki overall gets, and the harder it gets to navigate. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 09:40, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::Basically, this. And I don't even think that drawing the franchise-based chunk distinction is all that confusing given I think most people grok the idea that characters will pop up across sub-fictions of major multi-media franchises with varying levels of similarity to prior incarnations that are still "oh, it's a wholly separate storyline, okay". That's just how these things ''do''. (and like "multiverse" has kinda become a ''thing'' in other franchises the last several years) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 10:00, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

:"We've always put RID guys appearing in G1 as still being the RID character, look at Sky Byte" - what other examples make this an "always"? There WERE two Sky Byte pages, for years. We only stopped having a Sky-Byte (G2) when its character model in the IDW G1 comic was explicitly based off the new T30 toy sculpt which wound up with like half of these separate articles duplicating each other. It was argued on that talk page for a long while. The only other case I can think of at all is Gigatron (G1), and we ''don't'' treat him like Megatron (RID).
:"We treat BW as a continuity family like Armada, it looks like we are showing favoritism to them" - we treat it like a franchise within G1, which is what it is. And we disambig by franchise, not by continuity family. "Chase (RB)", not "Chase (Aligned)" or "Chase (Prime)". This was one of the concerns I raised last year when we turned Victory, Masterforce et al into G1 because they had no separate box branding of their own, wait it turned out they did, welp whattaya gonna do, no backsies.
:'''Last but MOST''', I'd say that, yes, "lore connections" mean a great deal here, it is a feature not a bug. This is a fiction-centric wiki as surely as it's an English-centric one. We put character writeups first, above the toys. We give the toys the character names and say "his stickers", not "its stickers" and talk about how it represents the character, not about how many micrograms of silicon it contains. Separating characters because they come from different storyline eras / offerings is entirely normal and reasonable for us. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:43, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::I don't disagree in general, but G1/IDW Gigatron DOES share a page with RID Megatron. [[Gigatron (G1)]] is the Overlord repurpose. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 09:49, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
:::Oof. Don't know why I clearly remembered them as being separate, but in any case I regret the error. Thank you.--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:14, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
There's no way to organize something like this place without something somewhere seeming arbitrary. I think the existing structure is arbitrary in the best way that makes the most sense, and trying to "mitigate" that arbitrariness just creates different arbitrariness. A lot of this "but what if we redid all this to fix this particular thing" shuffling just relitigates why we already do the stuff we already do. so, like: no --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 09:54, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

== The Discord ==

Alright, seriously, we need to talk about this. It is beyond frustrating that a greater than 50% chunk of discussion about what big edits will happen on the wiki are happening on an app that people either aren't on or (in my case) aren't allowed on. I was told it was going to just to get voices onto things but that clearly isn't how it's working out. We need either some sort of archival dump of all these posts or something because I'm tired of getting into arguments where half the responses haven't even happened on the main site itself. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:45, 17 August 2022 (EDT)
: I think you're drastically overestimating how much discussion about big edits is happening on the Discord. No actual big decisions are getting made there, and we make it a point to repeatedly remind people that discussion for major changes needs to happen here before anything gets decided. But we also can't stop anyone from simply talking about things there the same way we couldn't stop discussion on the AllSpark thread when that was a thing, and having a public log of discussions from the editing channel is both infeasible and frankly unnecessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:09, 17 August 2022 (EDT)

==Designer bylines on toy writeups==

As those of us who have been tuning in to the [[Hasbro Pulse#Livestreams|Hasbro Pulse livestreams]] have no doubt noticed, one side effect of the unprecedented transparency of the current team on the ''Generations'' franchise is that we are now pretty consistently being blasted with a fire hose of toy designer credits. While there's been a scramble to record them on the designers' pages as best we can, this rapidly growing body of information is not doing the average reader a whole lot of good sequestered away on pages that require them to already know the designers by name. As such, I've put together a template to act as a designer byline for relevant toy write-ups, largely following the formatting of our existing voice actor template.

Documentation for the prototype template which I've named '''<nowiki>{{toydesigner}}</nowiki>''' can be found here:

*[[:Template:Toydesigner]]

And a variety of examples of implementation can be found here:

*[[User:AzimuthAcolyte/Sandbox/Toy credits demo]]

Is this something we would be interested in implementing?

Questions, concerns, suggestions etc are welcome. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:33, 22 August 2022 (EDT)

:I support adding this template, it's valid information and helps put names and faces in a historically anonymous industry due to the lack of credits in the products themselves.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:38, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
::I think this is a great idea. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:52, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
:::I really like it. The only possible negative is that unless a whole bunch of people are very dedicated to this (or one brave soul is ''extremely'' dedicated to it) we might end up seeing it only appear on a small handful of toy entries and most will never feature it. I vote for going ahead with it regardless.
:::While we are addressing the "designer credits" issue, can we also please find a better phrase to use on the designer pages than "Toys So-and-so is known to have had a hand in creating"? It's just so overwrought. I think "Design Team Credits Include:" gets the point across much more naturally.... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:54, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
::::This is a fair point. Maybe something as blunt as "Known Design Work" mirroring the "Published Works" thing we use for writers/artists? -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:17, 25 August 2022 (EDT)
:Looks good to me. Hope we can scrounge together sources and lists for older design teams too. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 15:05, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
::I can't see any reason not to do this. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:05, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
:I'm not a toy person, but that looks really cool! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:23, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
Oh wow, I'm blown away by the universally positive reception here! If there are no concerns in the next few days I guess I'll get started rolling this out. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:17, 25 August 2022 (EDT)
:Alrighty it's been a fair bit with no further concerns, so I have pushed the template live to [[:Template:Toydesigner]] and will begin implementing it as I have time. Any and all help is appreciated, as this will of course be a huge job. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 16:13, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

== Wiki Toy Photo Quality Standards ==
So we know (and had long suspected anyway) that Hasbro designers are sometimes pulling Wiki photos for reference. That's great, but we've got some toy photography on here that's a good bit off from what the figures look like in reality for one reason or another. Is there any way to flag shots that are out of whack so that they might get tweaked or replaced? This issue comes to mind since, while I've been here more or less since the Wiki started, I don't recall there being a formal set of standards for photos since it just wasn't really a big deal before now. Oversaturation is my main complaint, since one user a long while ago was going through, taking existing shots into Photoshop and oversaturating the hell out of them without regard to the actual toy, and I've noticed some updated photography like [[Prowl (Magnaboss)]] that does basically the same. It's a larger photo, but that Prowl is definitely not blazing yellow in person. Apologies in advance and please disregard if this has already been discussed elsewhere or before.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 16:10, 24 August 2022 (EDT)
:For the record, my lighting set up is very warm, hence why Prowl's colours appear so bright. I haven't figured out the right balance in Photoshop to get the colours of figures to look spot on so figures either appear too bright or too dull in the finished product. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 17:30, 24 August 2022 (EDT)
::Oh, I'm not intending to put you on the spot, that's just the first example I had on hand of a wider issue that we probably need to start being careful about since it appears to be (hilariously) affecting actual figures now, like Titans Return PMOP or Legacy Iguanus. When it was the one guy tweaking things to be inaccurate "because it looked better", I could follow him and revert stuff, but I can't when there's nothing to revert in most cases.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2022 (EDT)
::I recommend ring lights, you can get some pretty cheap, they've good at spreading light out rather than heavy-focus, and they have adjustable brightness and warm/cool light settings: use "cool" (aka white/blue-tinted). Even before I got ring lights, I used "cool" light bulbs in the lamps. The problem is these are nowhere as common as the "normal" yellow-tinted bulbs, thus, go with the ring lights.
::As for "standards"... well, good luck with that. Every camera's a little different. Every MONITOR is a little different. Hell, I have a double-monitor setup with different models and they have small but distinct differences in brightness & etc; honestly I'm good with it since it lets me check how things may look to different people. But I think maybe a tag for photos that we are CERTAIN are too far off from final product (be they user-made or stock images) may not be a bad idea. Assuming we notice. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:44, 24 August 2022 (EDT)
:::Yeah, a tag we can throw on to a photo just to make it at least visible that it's incorrect would be useful. And would probably prompt a deco designer to gather some secondary reference material, assuming the tag's obvious. I like the idea.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 16:29, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::I've noticed that the quality of the UT stuff in the toys section flunctuates greatly-- for example, ML Starscream still uses the guidebook picture, and Superlink ver of the combining Optimus downright doesn't exist. I've started to collect UT toys since Hasbro has been updating UT stuff with more commitment and I have 0 faith in them doing it right, and most of the stuff I've gotten are the JP versions. For minor alterations like ML/ Armada Megs, is it worth uploading a completely new picture of ML Megatron onto his page? Another issue worth regarding discussing is "cartoon accuracy". Whilst Hasbro is indeed working on making more accurate figures, they obviously aren't 100% accurate, like 86 starscream using the commonly accepted G1 logo instead of the sunbow accurate one with the spike in the middle, and even from a sculpt and proportional standppint the ER mold is far from accurate compared to the sunbow model, let alone MP52. I actually cleaned up the page for TM2 Megatron because he deviates pretty heavily if you compare the CG model to the final toy, and changed the claim that Skids is "toon" accurate as he is blantently based on the original toy in deco. The same goes for Starscream, aside from the forearms and forehead hes blatently based on the T30 toy. I also had to edit that bit --[[User: Pixelmaster|Pixelmaster]] 3:31 HKT

==Reconsolidating some of our pages==
This is something I've been thinking about for a while, but I'd like to propose re-merging some of our excessively split articles back into something more manageable. It seems like that once a page is split out, a) we get a lot less editorial oversight, as the recent toy page trimming has revealed, b), stuff does not get updated nearly as often as they would be on their respective mainpages, and c) it makes information harder to find by pushing it behind a subpage that's not readily accessible.

Obviously I understand that splits are necessary for the really long pages like [[Optimus Prime (G1)]], [[Megatron (G1)]], and soforth, but when you get down to like, [[Mirage (G1)]] or [[Hound (G1)]] or [[Hot Shot (Armada)]], there's barely anything of any significance on their main pages beyond Dreamwave or the odd IDW cameo. Are, for instance, [[Ravage (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ravage]]'s Marvel adventures that major that they can't fit into the main page? Are [[Hook (G1)/toys|Hook]] or [[Warpath (G1)#Toys|Warpath]] really that inundated with toys that they need their own subpage? If it's a problem of just ''length'', then a lot of the subpaged articles or mainpage stuff like the storybooks could just be trimmed down into something more manageable—as I did with G1 Cliffjumper's Marvel section earlier this year. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 17:00, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:I 100% agree with this. --[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 17:04, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
: Fully in favour. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:20, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
: Sub-pages should, on their own, be significantly sizable pages to justify making readers link-jump. A dozen toys does not strike me as remotely enough to justify a subpage split. Being ''in'' a major long-running fiction but mostly having appearances in a minority of installments that can be summed up in two sentences doesn't justify a split. New editing tools are fun and all, but just 'cuz you gotta new hammer doesn't mean you have to go hunting for anything that looks vaguely nail-like. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:18, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

== Incoming maintenance ==

Just a heads up, our host is going to be doing some maintenance in about an hour that may cause problems with the site, so if you have trouble reaching it and therefore cannot read this message, that's what it is. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 00:11, 23 November 2022 (EST)

== Foreign names ==

A dispute came up recently on the [[Megatron (ES)]] page. User:Kiké Prime has been providing Hungarian names for all the characters, but this one apparently is just "Megatron". Cyberlink420 removed it. I disputed it, pointing out that not listing it leaves the implication that we do not know the name of the character in the language. Despite having my reversion again reverted, I still find deliberately leaving blanks in our name lists odd. I am thus bringing the matter here for further discussion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:16, 5 December 2022 (EST)
:My understanding has always been that we only add foreign names if they are different from the English name. Per pages like [[Megatron (G1)]], this includes examples where the name is the same, but is spelled with a diacritic or using a different alphabet. So "Megatron" wouldn't be different enough to justify inclusion, but examples like Mégatron, Megatrón, Мегатрон and メガトロン would. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:10, 5 December 2022 (EST)

== Nonbinary Character Category ==

So, we now have another nonbinary character (who actually used their pronouns during the media no less), [[Nightshade (ES)|Nightshade]] from [[Transformers: EarthSpark (franchise)|Earthspark]] (Nightshade at time of posting doesn't have a page yet)! The other fully for certain fully intentional one is [[Screwball]] from [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] while [[Acid Storm (Cyberverse)|Acid Storm]] was at least an out of media by writer retcon of animation, and [[Overlord_(G1)#Ask_Vector_Prime|Overlord's]] gender is somewhat nebulous on where that fits beyond being gender expansive due to being [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#December 23, 2015|"what some would call genderfluid"]] but that at least puts us at three. Given that we have a trans category now we thought it best to at this point suggestion a nonbinary category for the sake of users (including gender expansive people) easily finding nonbinary characters on here. Obviously adding Nightshade will have to wait until they have a page but any thoughts on this yea or nay? [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 18:28, 8 December 2022 (EST)
:I forgot about Screwball. I think with three confirmed examples, even without the edge case of Overlord, that's probably enough to justify one. Care will have to be taken, however, to only include confirmed examples and not use it as a dumping ground for any character whose gender has never been explicitly identified. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:37, 8 December 2022 (EST)
::Authorial intent and all, but I can say that if I had the option to go back and rewrite it I would have used the term non binary for Overlord. I feel like Acid Storm is more of an edge case; it’s what one person said on their account to justify it. Whenever Acid Storm actually says something they’re animated with a female face; it’s not done at random.[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:47, 8 December 2022 (EST)
:::Acid Storm changes from masculine male to feminine female and back. Gender-fluid, sure, but definitely non-binary? As for Overlord, in the Legends manga Mega gives Overlord a female-presenting face - is there a pronoun change during that time? Would we have more candidates for inclusion in a Gender-fluid category first? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 20:17, 8 December 2022 (EST)
:::::Thank for the notes folks, that does help to piece this together! Just want to note that a pronoun change is not necessary for a gender being experienced in fluidity to be the one expressed or what have you, so unless the Legends manga actually has some sort of statement about Overlord's fluidity that kind of puts us back with an umbrella term of nonbinary (which we are unsure as not having read the Legends manga if that would work for that Overlord so we can't speak to where/if Overlord falls under gender expansiveness beyond the fact that Overlord's presentation changes depending on the binary bond partner right?). Acid Storm is an edge case yes but if we do count the edge case that they are we think it is worth noting that for Acid Storm what Catt said was specifically that changing expression is just something they do, and "any pronouns" work for Acid Storm, no statement about the binary. Of course, we only see two faces which are the two different Seeker faces that were otherwise delineated by gender, but at this point we're getting into the opt-in thing of 'x person is genderfluid and thus considers themself nonbinary' or 'z person is genderfluid and only considers themself as under the multigender umbrella'. Which we don't have detail on really if Acid Storm is genderfluid as how they know themselves right? Because that's just a thing that was written in the Female Transformers page because of (no blame being given, it's understandable) the user finding that to be the term that fit best? Feel like we've ended up just pointing out an need for just a gender expansive category instead but ah well. [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 21:46, 1 January 2023 (EST)
::::::We seem to have killed this with a non-solution for the nonbinary category by pointing out that gender expansive is more certain than saying genderfluid. If we count Nightshade, Overlord, and Screwball, is that a go on nonbinary, or should we just have a gender expansive category at this point that would also be one trans characters use? For people wondering what gender expansive means you can find a definition here https://www.diversitystyleguide.com/glossary/gender-expansive/ https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/08/gender-expansive-mean/ [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 23:18, 6 February 2023 (EST)
:::::::Respectfully, I think needing to invoke a glossary suggests the term is so little-used in common parlance that it would not be useful for our needs and style. We don't have a category tag at the bottom of a bunch of BW characters saying "tetrapods" or "perissodactyls" (we ''do'' talk like that on [[Popular beast alternate modes]], maybe a grouping ''page'' would be a better approach? Just a thought...). If we are looking for a category tag I think it would be better to find the term that unambiguously covers the largest number of candidates, without a need to rely on edge cases, maintaining both accuracy and readability. I see three characters that could sensibly go in a Gender-fluid tag, one that could go in a Non-binary tag (meaning we wouldn't make the latter). We may be facing a case where there are few enough disparate examples that there isn't one single category tag that usefully unites them. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:55, 7 February 2023 (EST)
::::::::With the most recent block of EarthSpark episodes having further explored Nightshade's character and introduced a new nonbinary character in the form of Sam (this also saw the term nonbinary used in the show for the first time), we have been discussing the topic of introducing a Nonbinary characters category on the Discord. Doing some research, AVP also confirmed the Tigerhawk of Primax 496.22 Alpha (the Beast Wars cartoon continuity) to be nonbinary, so that's another character to justify that category. It's been suggested by an expert on the matter that we could introduce a "Gender expansive characters" category as an umbrella category, with Genderfluid characters, Nonbinary characters, and Transgender characters existing as subcategories as a way of future-proofing our coverage of gender expansive characters, while also ensuring we don't lump every gender expansive character together into a single broad category and hopefully making these concepts easier to navigate for casual readers. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 17:26, 4 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::In sequence you replied to my post of Feb 7 but seem to have side-stepped the part where I questioned the usefulness of a category tag that will not be widely understood. Also, creating such a category exactly ''is'' "lumping them all together into a single broad category." So is that approach desirable or not? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:43, 4 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::: They said the word nonbinary in the show. In a show full of nonbinary rep. And then nonbinary characters exists outside of that show, and it would not be a dangerous bet to expect this to continue. But people are born with an innate understanding of what an Alpha Primax 9384u743 is, or Transmetals, or Powermasters, but not what a nonbinary person is so yeah maybe we are going too far on this website for nerds who want to learn more about things related to Transformers (like nonbinary characters). We have a category called council members. Literally for any character who has served on any council. I did not understand what "council members" actually refered to before I clicked on it, assumed it was more specific than it was, but in fact it took me two seconds to figure it out. A non-binary category and/or gender-expansive category would surely be the same. And as Archforce says, make these concepts easier to navigate. Or if that was too long, what Walky said. Seriously. You also appear to misunderstand what is meant by lumping together. Because putting all non-binary people in a non-binary category is accurate, and is something I and at least some others want, putting all non-binary people on a transgender page would be a misrepresentative "all of these are the same thing right?". Gender-expansive on the other hand comes from someone familiar with the matter, and as a non-binary person myself, as someone who has researched gender representation in media at an honours level (to flex some credentials that yeah I could be making up), I agree with what is being said on the Discord. Gender expansive as an umbrella provides the room to not lump everyone together while recognising yeah there is something shared in any act of gender that is not one of cisgender conformity. Having transgender and nonbinary characters on the same page while called out as two seperate subcategories I again think helps casual readers navigate based on this. [[User:Bumblebee2000|Bumblebee2000]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee2000|talk]]) 18:40, 4 March 2023 (EST)
::::::::::Not using the best useful terms because they're not understood by enough people is extremely self-defeating. I reject that line of thinking. (also, like, c'mon, the first complete article for this wiki was gaddang Robot-Master, not Optimus Prime, so I think we can say the words "gender expansive" even if someone hasn't heard of them) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 17:49, 4 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::Thank you all for the discussion! To clarify regarding aesthetics (because gender is aesthetics, we can give recommendations on stuff to read re that), the term gender expansive does not in fact cover everybody, merely all the bots we're talking about it in this instance and likely future unless we get canon transformers fiction that actually uses a variable alien aesthetic system that isn't gender but is something similar. To put this another way: not all human societies' aesthetic category concepts and formulation of individual and collective context for self such as pronouns, names, expressions, (to use Leslie Feinberg's words for navigating transness and gender itself, the 'poetics,' not just construction) etc. used or uses those in a way that neatly fits modern Western gender constructs with a large number of examples both from outside Europe and within it. In a similar vein some xeno aesthetic spectrum folks (like some of ourselves, and yes we're getting very obscure here the gender parallel is xenogender) and speculative fiction/sci-fi about aliens live or navigates the idea of aesthetic structures that are not gender at all but merely overlap or parallel.
:::::::::::Transformers fiction has really only touched on the subject of the alien aspect of the bots' gender or lack thereof when trying to portray that something is there by e.g.; parallel with the embodying and living of their various modes such as when Lodestar speaks to having weapon retrofit dysphoria in the 2021 annual (yes, the 'embodying and living' is something we're borrowing from Gayle Salamon on how she frames gender), their unique histories, the December 23rd 2015 AVP gender answer having a note about continuities where the concept of gender is barely relevant, and possibly that time 'gal' got put in quotations (it's still unclear what Maggs meant by that but that's okay). So rest assured that while gender expansive is a broad category- it only future proofs us until alien terminology or narrative that is clearly shown in replacement of when gender would otherwise be used in a story actually happens in canon. Which would be incredibly exciting, but isn't where we are right now. [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 19:11, 4 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::But we are nonetheless at a special point in time in the transformations of transformers, that the categories genderfluid, nonbinary, and gender expansive would be useful for. <3 [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 19:15, 4 March 2023 (EST)
::::::::::::Gosh that felt good to dedicating an afternoon to doing, thank you for the help! We feel that [[Editor|Chief]] ought to be included in the gender expansive category, and given the entry regarding Tigerhawk that was mentioned here, Spittor arguably also could be [[Source:Ask_Vector_Prime/Facebook#May_23.2C_2015|"In some universes where Spittor scans an organic alternate mode, his biological system conforms to female while his Cybertronian gender identity is male."]]. Chief seems fairly obvious? RE Spittor where his situation could be argued to break down is the cybertronian understanding of gender maybe not matching gender and anatomy as framed by humans but then that in itself still qualifies. [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 20:32, 5 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::: *shrugs* maybe the latter re Spittor and similar situations is just something to note in an eventual article rather than to throw in the category itself [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 20:45, 5 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::::I'm gonna say that I'm for Editor while Spittor is ultimately a way of just saying that his alt-mode is a female frog even though he's male. Ala Tigatron in the cartoon, Waspinator, etc. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:57, 5 March 2023 (EST)
::::::::::::::Thank you, that helps clarify things! :3 [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 21:47, 5 March 2023 (EST)

== Adding an informative table to each character page ==
I was thinking about it since it's striking.. lack.. There should be a way to tell people in which and how many episodes/issues/movies each character appears in the continuity they belong to, their debut episode/issue movie, what aliases they have had and nicknames they were given by other characters, a more centered area for the voice or live actors, a link to their gallery pages(if they have any) and one to their disambiguation pages etc. The kind of information that one would prefer to find with greater ease, especially if they aren't members. And talking about their appearances, that should prove quite useful for future page edits, since we'll know exactly where to look especially when it's about latecomers or characters that don't appear on a regular basis. I just think it'd be useful. [[User:Darthrone|Darthrone]] ([[User talk:Darthrone|talk]]) 15:44, 2 February 2023 (EST)
:This kind of infobox was discussed at the very earliest days of this wiki, and it was decided that there was just way, way too much information for it to work... and this was in 2006, BEFORE the franchise exploded. TF is such a fragmented kludge of fictions from multiple sources and creators spanning 40 years that any major character would end up with one ultra-massive thing of dubious use (can't say I see the value in a "number of appearances" tally, aside from the headache of keeping that accurate over time and arguing "what counts"), or a billion splintered ones spread across the page for the different fictions. And "nicknames" is always a minefield as those tend to turn into a massive list of "someone called them this once" which is... not helpful. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:46, 2 February 2023 (EST)
::Even if it had been a day-1 thing, I don't see how this is more informative than our current style. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:58, 2 February 2023 (EST)
:::I'm for infoboxes, but the information you're asking for is far too abstract and meaningless in this franchise. (We are absolutely not doing "nicknames". No.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:09, 2 February 2023 (EST)

==The (BWU) tag==
I understand the reasons why [[#Proposal re: G1 pages|my previous proposal]] regarding the proliferation of (G1) pages for random newer characters was soundly rejected. However, my main motivation for raising it was that I find the huge quantity of (BWU) pages for "repurposed" Mini-Cons and bestial Transformers to be reader-unfriendly, so I wanted to make a case for making an exception for ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' cameos. ''Uprising'' was an obscure barely-canon multi-continuity-drifting web serial which we are very unlikely to get further instalments of, and most of the relevant characters are similarly very deep pulls who will assuredly not be appearing again in future stories, and who will otherwise be stuck with tiny stub-pages forever. Most of these are Mini-Cons (here Micromasters) or bestial Transformers (here Protoformers), with a few boats or Constructicons from "[[Derailment]]". In many cases, I perceive ''Uprising'' as having tried to give these toys a hint of fiction where previously they had none at all, much like [[Ask Vector Prime]] before it. It's a very different phenomenon to most so-called "continuity transplants" we've seen in other series (such as with, say, [[Hot Shot (G1)]]), which are instead rooted in the popularity of those characters.

I think the problem here is that strictly speaking ''Uprising'' is a "Primax" continuity, sure, but it lifts dozens of characters (let alone concepts) unchanged from later stories. Slavishly hewing to that label when it's such an intertextual melting pot has resulted in this unfriendly setup. It feels like a fair decision made at the time (was [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive64#Derailment & Uprising pages|this discussion]] the one?) but in my opinion the wiki's policy kinda fails here. If we get rid of the (BWU) tag, the (G1) back-ports remaining (a minority!) will be for more significant characters, often adapted more radically. Here's the list of tiny pages we could be rid of, just like that:

*'''''Energon''''': [[Steam Hammer]], [[Doom-Lock (BWU)]], [[Avalon (BWU)]]
*'''''Cybertron''''': [[Wing Saber (BWU)]], [[Shortround (BWU)]]
*'''Movies''': [[Reckage]], [[Hatchet (BWU)]], [[Skipjack (BWU)]], [[Sea Spray (BWU)]], [[Fearswoop (BWU)]], [[Depthcharge (BWU)]], [[Rav (BWU)]], [[Evac (BWU)]], [[Drydock (BWU)]], [[Photon (BWU)]]
*'''''TransTech''''': [[Ego (BWU)]]
*'''''War for Cybertron''''': [[Contrail (BWU)]], [[Sigil (BWU)]], [[Gauntlet (BWU)]]
*'''''Prime''''': [[Ser-Ket (BWU)]], [[Rot Gut (BWU)]], [[Twinstrike (BWU)]], [[Budora (BWU)]], [[Darksteel (BWU)]], [[Vertebreak (BWU)]], [[Grimwing (BWU)]], [[Blackbeak (BWU)]], [[Judora (BWU)]]
*'''''Robots in Disguise''''': [[Bisk (BWU)]], [[Paralon (BWU)]], [[Quillfire (BWU)]], [[Ped (BWU)]], [[Psychobat (BWU)]], [[Springload (BWU)]], [[Snitch (BWU)]], [[Razorgrille (BWU)]]
*'''''Transformers Online''''': [[Astral Knight (BWU)]], [[Psychic Shortstop (BWU)]], [[Wrath Thunder (BWU)]], [[Deep Blue (BWU)]]
*'''Mini-Cons''': [[Synapse (BWU)]], [[Black Out]], [[Steamhammer (BWU)]], [[Flat-Out (BWU)]], [[Six-Speed (BWU)]], [[Zapmaster (BWU)]], [[Crumplezone (BWU)]], [[Cannon (BWU)]], [[Bulge (BWU)]], [[Bomb (BWU)]], [[Shot (BWU)]], [[Crack (BWU)]], [[Thunderblast (BWU)]], [[Wreckage (BWU)]], [[Bonecrusher (BWU)]], [[Broadside (BWU)]], [[Tankor (BWU)]], [[Caliburn (BWU)]], [[Torque (BWU)]], [[Bilge (BWU)]], [[Search (BWU)]], [[Refute (BWU)]], [[Kingbolt (BWU)]], [[Starcatcher (BWU)]], [[Clench (BWU)]], [[Run-Over (BWU)]], [[Deepdive (BWU)]], [[Astro-Sinker (BWU)]], [[Snow Cat (BWU)]], [[Draft (BWU)]], [[Screw (BWU)]], [[Aston (BWU)]] (deep sigh)
*'''Other''': [[Terrastar (BWU)]], [[Hyperborea (BWU)]], [[Alchemor (BWU)]], [[Minion of Unicron (BWU)]]

There's a handful of ''Uprising'' characters that need a (G1) page anyway for non-''Uprising'' reasons; I'm totally ambivalent about where the ''Uprising'' content ends up for these: [[Tidal Wave (G1)]], [[Override (BWU)]] (!), [[Cannonball (G1)]], [[Black-Out]], [[Halogen (G1)]], [[Knock Out (G1)]], [[Gaidora (BWU)]], [[Strongarm (G1)]], [[Thunderhoof (BWU)]], [[Twirl (G1)]].

Finally there's a few weird cases that would merit individual discussion but would probably just need to keep their own pages: [[Clobber (BWU)]], [[Apex (BWU)]], [[Offshoot (BWU)]], [[Cybaxx (BWU)]], [[Overbite (BWU)]], and [[Terrorcon (BWU)]].

Here is a ([https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&redirs=1&profile=all&search=%22from+the%22+%22continuity+families%22 probably non-exhaustive]) list of existing cases of multi-continuity drifting you should probably consider before weighing in:
* [[Buckethead]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#July 31, 2015|this Ask Vector Prime answer]])
* [[Drydock (TF 2010)]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 13, 2015|this answer]] which explicitly has him travel from one continuity to another)
* [[Drelnar Feh'd]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 17, 2015|this one]])
* [[Scorpia (G2)]], [[Autoceptor]], [[Deceptor]], and [[Kaltor]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#June 12, 2015|this one]])
* The [[Night Rescue Team]], [[Clear Skies Team]], [[Rapid Intervention Team]], [[Prehistoric Team]], [[Demolition Team]], [[Dirt Digger Team]], [[Heavy Load (Universe)]] and the [[Mobile Fortification Team]], and [[Detectas]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 28, 2015|this one]]).
**However, exceptions from these Mini-Con teams are [[Nightscream (Cybertron)|Nightscream]], [[Offshoot (Cybertron)|Offshoot]], [[Strongarm (Cybertron)|Strongarm]] and [[Knockdown (Cybertron)|Knockdown]], who all have separate (Cybertron) basis on the basis of receiving separate bios after being packed in with ''Cybertron'' Primus...
**...but then [[Liftor]] is all on a single page, despite his ''Classics'' bio.
**[[Snarl (Classics)|Snarl]], [[Sledge (Classics)|Sledge]], [[Wideload (Classics)|Wideload]], [[Knockdown (Classics)|Knockdown]], and [[Steel Wind]] already have ''Uprising'' content on their pages, but that makes sense as these were originally ''Classics'' guys.
* The [[Saurian Strike Team]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 28, 2015|this one]])
* The [[Minicon 8 Pack]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#July 24, 2015|this one]])
* The ''Dark of the Moon'' Mini-Cons [[Dualor (DOTM)]], [[Triceradon (DOTM)]], [[Rav (DOTM)]], and [[Catilla (DOTM)]], plus [[Ironlunge]], [[Reptix]], [[Sling (AOE)]], [[Gnashteeth]], [[Wedge Shape]], [[Brimstone (Universe)]], [[Apexus]], [[Gredator]], and [[Dragoyell]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#August 13, 2015|this one]])
** Weirdly, we ''separately'' have a page for [[Rav (BWU)]], but Catilla has Unicron Trilogy, movie, and ''Uprising'' appearances covered all on the one page!
* [[Galadria]] and [[Ramak]] (because of [[Source:Transformers: Spacewarp's Log#December 5, 2015|this post]])
* Am I to understand that [[Wind Sheer (RID)]], [[Skyfire (RID)]] and the [[Dimensional Patrol]] each have just a single page because (RID) ''is'' part of the G1 continuity family sometimes...?
* And I understand that [[Primus Vanguard]] cameos just go on their original pages because that's a weird thing kinda outside of G1 anyway (at least from an in-universe perspective, if not a real-world one).
* ''Diaclone'' examples like [[Burn Out (Diaclone)]], [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)]], and [[Chifumi Takahashi]] have been discussed to death.
* [[Monsterous]] was retconned to originally be from an Aligned universe (in [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Guest column#October 21, 2015|this post]], though I can't actually find any mention of Uniend? EDIT: [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Guest column#November 7, 2015|found it]]!)
* [[Primacron]] was apparently mentioned in ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II| The AllSpark Almanac II]]''.
* And [[Sentinel Supreme]] is just an Easter egg that everyone seemed to shrug about at the time.

To those who say the exception I'm proposing would be confusing, I submit these existing examples where we've apparently neglected to split something out as evidence that the only people this confuses are wiki editors like me wondering why they're not all that way. Maybe I'm just unaware of some aspect of the existing policy which accounts for all these cases? But is it really helpful to anyone to have a given toy's associated fiction squirrelled away somewhere separate you have to go into the disambiguation to find? We recently merged [[Chromhorn]] (another Sorenson job) on the basis that "There's literally no reason for these to be on different pages. They are the same thing." Can we not do the same for these Sorenson-penned cases that are basically going "look, the exact same guy shows up in multiple universes, alright?" And if the answer is no, will someone go through and split all these out? —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 18:27, 6 February 2023 (EST)

:I think my response to your earlier G1-import proposal still applies here: the more exceptions we make to our system for the sake of "accessibility", the harder the overall structure becomes to grok for a new reader, and thus ironically it all becomes ''less'' accessible. Why should ''Uprising'' Steel Jaw be at [[Steel Jaw]], but ''Uprising'' Bisk be at [[Bisk (RID)]]? Or, conversely, why should ''Uprising'' Steel Jaw be at [[Steeljaw (RID)]], but LBS Steeljaw be at [[Steel Jaw|Steeljaw (IDW)]]? Neither solution is good.
:As for the current list of exceptions, I'd argue everything you list from Buckethead to the DOTM Mini-Cons should probably be split. Galadria and Ramak are characters from outside media, so we don't split them across continuity lines. Wind Sheer and Skyfire have one page for consistency with the other RID guys. The source on Monsterous being Aligned is [[Source:Ask_Vector_Prime/Facebook#November_7.2C_2015|here]], but I would argue that's just giving an origin to the GoBot and so they should share a page anyway.
:Lastly - I object to you bringing the Chromhorn thing into this, as I don't think it's a fair comparison. Chromhorn wasn't making any exception to our categorisation system; it was one page saying "Chromhorn is a green variant of Insecticon from the UT" and another saying "Chromhorn Forest Type is a green variant of Insecticon from the UT", and the former was somehow a "repurposing" of the fictionless latter. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 20:24, 6 February 2023 (EST)
::Totally get the Steeljaw example—although it ''is'' crazy that we're currently disambiguating G1 wolf Steeljaw simply by [[Steel Jaw]]. You should post about the disambiguation tag policy change you suggested on Discord, I think a lot of people were thinking along similar lines there. Agree with your interpretation of the current policy as to which of the examples listed should be split and which shouldn't—although the more I think about the Primus Vanguard, the more I think those should technically be split too. While I guess the [[Time Warrior (AVP)|Time Warrior]]s are multiversal travellers like Drydock. RE: Chromhorn, I understand why it's technically different; I brought it up because I think it speaks to the tenor of ''Ask Vector Prime'' answers—in spirit, I think its aim was exactly the same as with the Mini-Con examples I've given.
::What do I mean by that? To match your Steeljaw example, from the opposite angle: say I'm your typical fan scrolling [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)]], and I click on, say, [[Dualor (DOTM)]], wondering if he's ever shown up in anything. In their current state, I get my answer immediately. With the proposed split for consistency, I instead get a page telling me that Dualor (DOTM) is a dinosaur Mini-Con from ''Dark of the Moon'', some info about the toy, ''maybe'' ending with an inscrutable note about how he was "repurposed" as an identical guy. Now, there's ''already'' an unrelated [[Dualor (Armada)]], so we'd need to make a disambiguation page. We can see this already by looking at [[Snow Cat (Universe)]], which is barren (the very scenario AVP so often tried to address!), and doesn't even admit to the existence of [[Snow Cat (BWU)]] aside from a general Snow Cat disambiguation tag. In some existing cases like [[Steamhammer (BWU)]], we've mirrored a toy writeup, which needs upkeep in parallel; in others, like Snow Cat, we're asking the user to visit the other page to read about the toy ''anyway''. To my mind, this is inarguably less accessible. I don't understand arguments made about accessibility here which are predicated on readers having learned editing policy to begin with, and I don't think this proposal would actually make it any harder to learn the system.
::I regret not listing out all the individual members of those Mini-Con teams above, to better communicate the sheer number of pages that would need to be made (and pages that would need to be renamed, in case of conflicts) to create this inconvenience in service of a rule we've already been ignoring without issue. Nobody wants to do this work, and I think it's less that no-one cares, and more that some people think it'd actually make the wiki worse, and the rest don't particularly think it'd make the wiki better.
::What about just making an exception for Mini-Cons/Micromasters? I've talked about ''Uprising'', but obviously the vast majority of cases that theoretically need splitting aren't from ''Uprising'' at all. Could probably even do a generic template like "X exists in multiple continuity families, and is a Micromaster/Maximal/Predacon in those without Mini-Cons". Thus your Steeljaws and Bisks and Overrides go unchanged, no problems or ambiguity there! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 17:09, 7 February 2023 (EST)
:Once upon a time, I probably would have pushed for something like this, but where we are now: I am not a fan of any push towards treating something differently based on how "relevant" something is or not. It goes against the very spirit this wiki was founded on, because that is what was happening to the Wikipedia coverage of Transformers where they were just getting rid of things wholesale because of "relevancy." I can understand the basic point behind this, but I feel that doing so would set a bad precedent that could be exploited in the future.
:I'd be fine with splitting most of these out. I've said it before elsewhere but by and large a lot of the inconsistencies were largely the result of different contributors adding stuff or splitting stuff without a general consensus, and they haven't been cleaned up afterwards. Also, a minor note, but the Liftor thing was mainly cause no one noticed at the time until I wrote up about the profile years after the fact. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:26, 6 February 2023 (EST)
::If I gave the impression "relevancy" was the main thrust of my argument here, I didn't mean to! Like, it goes both ways—would we be merging because ''Uprising'' is so irrelevant that we shouldn't devote all these random stub pages to it, ''or'' are we merging because it's sufficiently relevant that we shouldn't be hiding that content in stub pages nobody visits? Either is true! I'm arguing for convenience and clarity. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 17:09, 7 February 2023 (EST)
::: This definitely feels like the strongest argument to the merge in my mind. The wiki is no stranger to niche pages, pages for nameless, fictionless, toyless nonentities. But I believe these fictionless toys and toyless fiction which are really the same thing would be a richer niche page for the merges. [[User:Bumblebee2000|Bumblebee2000]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee2000|talk]]) 20:36, 7 February 2023 (EST)
::: I really think that once again, this overrates the number of people who would be confused by this, and underrates the number of people who would be able to figure out where to go if they wish to find the information. Like, I hate to do the whole "I was able to figure it out" thing but I was a small child with a single-digit age when I first discovered the wiki and I was able to figure out pretty quick why it was laid out the way it was. I'm not saying there's no room for improvement; I think there's a lot of cases in which the way we have things set up now is kind of ridiculous. But in this particular case, I don't really see how merging things would be any more convenient than just leaving them the way they are and splitting out the cases that we never got around to. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:52, 7 February 2023 (EST)

Just found some more pages that would need splitting under current policy: [[Crystal Widow]], [[Seawave]], [[Cradon]], [[Freefall (Kre-O)]], [[Liftoff]], and [[Epsilon Holdings]]. All due to ''Uprising'' and ''The Allspark Almanac''. Really hoping someone can propose a solution here that doesn't involve creating a billion pages and disambigs. --[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 09:24, 18 February 2023 (EST)
:We don't split businesses/locations/organizations, so Epsilon Holdings isn't one we need to consider. Kre-O doesn't really occupy a continuity family in our organization and I would just split the rest, especially Crystal Widow. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:28, 18 February 2023 (EST)

Noticed the ''[[Transformers: Earth Wars| Earth Wars]]'' stub templates on Mini-Con pages for [[Wheeljack Kunai]] and [[Bido]]. The game had previously added [[Gabu]], [[Zori]], [[Baru]], [[Bashbreaker]], [[Windstrike]], and [[Tricerashot]]. Following policy, these should ''all'' be split—see [[Giza (POTP)]] and [[Giza (Prime)]], although to be fair they're not the same animal at least. As always, I think the fiction for those toys should go on the pages for those toys. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 12:39, 17 March 2023 (EDT)

Just finished going through documenting the preliminary bios for the [[Night Rescue Team]], [[Predator Attack Team]], and [[Mini-Con Council of Sages]], from when the ''Classics'' Mini-Cons were still going to be released as ''Cybertron'' two-packs, and it occurs to me that if ''all'' of those guys end up getting duplicate pages, the Unicron Trilogy pages would be where that information should probably end up. Right now it's all a bit of a mess, as some of those characters have (Cybertron) pages via the Primus bonus-pack-in, some don't, and others had their names changed from their would've-been ''Cybertron'' incarnations anyway. I've generally tried to stick to linking to the existing pages rather than redlinking—naturally I remain convinced that it'd be for the best if we didn't distinguish between ''Classics'' and ''Cybertron'' at all in this case and just kept all the relevant information for each of those Mini-Cons on one page per; I think [[Liftor]] is proof that this is in fact perfectly fine and much, much less of a headache for readers. See whatever the hell is going on with the page for the [[Night Rescue Team]], which names the patrol car as "[[Strongarm (Classics)|Strongarm]]/[[Strongarm (Cybertron)|Strongarm]]" as though that's something which makes any sense at all. Tangentially, I also reckon the material from these early bios (which evidently made it out via the official Hasbro website ''somehow'') should probably just be written up in fiction sections proper, along the lines of, say, cancelled Dreamwave issues...? —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 18:03, 23 April 2023 (EDT)
:The Cybertron Primus pack-in guys had bios written by Sepelak and Troop (who also wrote the bios for the Classics guys) that deliberately made them different characters for the Club website with little in common besides their physical appearances. It's not a case of "old rules" at all, it was something specific done at the time. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:28, 23 April 2023 (EDT)

==Wikia links still around?==
https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Smelting_pool&direction=prev&oldid=109505
Are other archived "intermediate / obsolete" edit pages still pointing to Wikia? Or have they been somehow neutralized? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:52, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
:Not exactly sure what you're asking? I mean, the link is literally part of the text in that edit, so it wouldn't be removed. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:25, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
::Is that page (and presumably any other intermediate edit page from those years) still directing search engines to Wikia? Some years ago it was seen as pretty urgent that every last such link be removed, regardless of location. Not "gone from current pages," gone from ''everything''. As I recall, there were even refs to Wikia pre-struck-out on pages so people could only see them in mid-edit, but they were still boosting Wikia's rankings, and an admin had to create a bot to scrape them out of everywhere. If they still persist on hundreds of intermediate edit pages from those years, should those pages be totally erased, as they would be when randos insert porn or hate speech here? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:10, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
:::Historic page revisions are not indexed by Google, so they won't boost Wikia rankings. Those links will be present on any revisions before March 2008, as those revisions are from a backup imported from when the site was on Wikia. We still do have some Wikia links on live pages ([[Miscolorings based on the Generation 1 cartoon]] is an example) but those links will be marked nofollow as all external links are, so they should, in theory, not be boosting Wikia's ranking either. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:04, 26 May 2023 (EDT)

== ROTB being a reboot - what should we do with that? ==

I don't necessarily hold an opinion on this issue, but according to an interview with the director of ROTB, Rise of the Beasts will be a reboot of the live-action movie franchise. Will this affect how existing articles are grouped and written? Or does the wiki just consider it a case of authorial intent? ([https://news.tfw2005.com/2023/05/27/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-director-steven-caple-jr-confirms-rotb-set-in-a-rebooted-universe-484900 source]) [[User:Gigirassy|Gigirassy]] ([[User talk:Gigirassy|talk]]) 16:19, 27 May 2023 (EDT)
:The wiki is intentionally waiting for the movie's official release to make a stand on the matter. Regardless, even if the movie is a reboot it will not affect the wiki as much as you may be thinking it will; both movie series will simply be considered as two different continuities that are still part of the same continuity family overall (just like the multitude of G1 universes out there that are all in the same family). What may or may not happen is some characters may get splitted pages depending on if there's enough evidence for that, but for now all we can do is just wait and see. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 16:56, 27 May 2023 (EDT)

== Adaptation notes ==

Can we figure out a way to format this information that isn't an ugly and intrusive note that fucks up the formatting? Like, convert them into storylinks or references. Collapsible notes. Something. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:06, 21 June 2023 (EDT)
:(also probably take a weed whacker to the insane number of images people try to stuff into those film sections but that's another discussion) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:09, 21 June 2023 (EDT)
::I second that. Though we would also have to find a place to put the extra information those notes sometimes provide about how the adaptation differs from the source material. Like how [[Optimus Prime (Movie)#Transformers film|Optimus Prime]]'s notes on the 07 movie mention he kills Barricade in the adaptations when that doesn't happen in the movie itself. Or the very recent example of how ROTB [[Wheeljack (ROTB)|Wheeljack]] appears [[Mission at the Museum|in a book based entirely on the half of the movie he wasn't supposed to appear in]]. So how will we deal with that? -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 16:40, 21 June 2023 (EDT)

Against this. When it comes to an informational wiki, utility should be a higher priority than aesthetic taste. Speaking of aesthetics, however… [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:24, 21 June 2023 (EDT)
:We can be informative without haphazardly shoving "hey, here's some inconsequential adaptations you likely don't care about" into readers' faces. Not all information is created equal, as we've already established by hiding any VAs that the great majority of readers don't care about. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:41, 21 June 2023 (EDT)

I'd be against this. The notes make it clear that one thing is an adaptation of another, allow differences to be described succinctly without wholesale repetition of an entire story section, and I honestly think a mass of stoylyinks for every movie character in the first 3 Bay films after their write-up would be far more visually obtrusive and difficult to parse than the note that's already there, for example.[[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 22:31, 21 June 2023 (EDT)
:I'm gonna more or less agree with the above. Storylinks are ''absolutely'' a bad idea once you get beyond, like, two in a row. And I really don't feel like there's ever going to be enough adaptations of any one thing to justify a whole template, where "voice actors in a dozen languages" and "holy crap they redecoed/retooled/rereleased this toy THIS MANY TIMES" certainly can get hugely bulky. And honestly, if they're not a huge list, I like the easy discoverability of keeping them in a note below; hiding them whiffs of "we should de-prioritize the coloring books and not-current media on character pages" that we rejected from the get-go. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:56, 22 June 2023 (EDT)

== Images and formatting ==

Here’s something that baffles me; at least far back as the MP announcement of the Trainbots, there’s been a push by some to remove images from articles for reasons that mostly elude me. I agree that a lot of our older writeups have images that aren’t good, but what I don’t get is the removal of them from sections that only have one image. Sure, a lot of the time it’s for characters that have very minor roles in something, but I’ve always thought that McFeely’s way of making articles (by getting the best possible image of each character in every section whenever possible) is the gold standard for how we make articles. On a loosely related note; I’m not convinced by Sipher’s recent push to align images to the right; I think the alternating thing we usually have is much cleaner (aside from in toy sections). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:29, 21 June 2023 (EDT)
: Opening a section with a left-justified image almost invariably fucks up the normal "flow" of how your eyes move when you reach the end of a line: you move down and ''left'' to the next line. Most of the time, left-justified images at the top of the section push that next line of text to the ''right'' of the header. It may look "better" if you unfocus and just look at the page as a blur, but if you're actually ''reading'' the text, it's a subtle but very there stumbler. If it's a section where there's a "voice actors" bit or a note template ''above'' the image where the end of that is ''definitely'' going to end up beyond the rightmost border of the image, that's fair. ''Every'' image doesn't have to be on the right. Alternating is fine within longer sections. But opening with left should be used sparingly and judiciously. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:24, 21 June 2023 (EDT)

==Two things sandboxed a while ago maybe we might consider==
*[[User:M Sipher/Sandbox:ToysBullets]]
*[[User:M Sipher/sandbox:ToypageAltmodesAdded]]
I mean I'm not gonna lie, these are both in the "oh my grodd so many pages" realm, and worse, they're not something we can really get a bot to do. But, Iunno, something to consider.<br>
The insignia bullet point thing on individual character pages, only so many characters have toys across multiple factions (most would have G1/G2 variants), so this doesn't feel as "important" an addition, but, well. Could be useful. Adding altmodes to the toyline page listings, however, I think there's a decent case for, especially when dealing with obscure toy-only characters in lines loaded to the gills with toys. It'll certianly help the "man I remember I had this cool toy what was its name" searches. And it involves tweaking considerably fewer pages. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:09, 27 June 2023 (EDT)
:I'm in favor of the first from a readability standpoint. It just looks better. On the alt modes, I worry it might open the door to edit skirmishes on some of the more vague vehicle modes out there (thinking specifically of Devcon that just came out, or things that are just indeterminate like Cybertron Menasor or Protoform Optimus/Starscream), that just "Cybertronic car/jet/whatever" isn't a common term people outside the Wiki would really think to search, and how specific we'd need to get a la "truck" versus "longnose truck" versus "Peterbilt 379 truck". Hard to call, in my opinion.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 23:37, 27 June 2023 (EDT)
::The bullet points hit me a little weird at first but I could get used to them, I think it's a neat idea. And I can see the inclusion of alt modes in toy pages as something useful, though no doubt a lot of pages would have to be slightly rearranged to make room for them. Regardless, I'd gladly give a hand with some of the editing if either one gets approved. --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 09:46, 28 June 2023 (EDT)
::: RE: altmodes on toyline pages... As far as "arguments" go, you get those ''anyway''. I think for these pages we can afford a bit of looseness ("red Lamborghini" for 1984 Sideswipe since there's a lot of sports cars (and two Lambos) in that line/assortment, "blue sports car" for Cyb Hot Shot since there are fewer "sports cars" in that line), giving enough for a quick ID'ing. Spacing... yeah, this will stretch the pages vertically a bit, but like, that's generally fine if the space has ''information'' in it. Plus it will likely mean we can add another pic to the right-hand side of many sections, letting us give a few more examples. And it'll beef up the absolutely anemic sections slightly. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:53, 29 June 2023 (EDT)
:So, anyone got any objections to these, other than "holy hell that's a lot of manual work"? If anything, it'd also be a good excuse to go in and find out what entries are in need of some sprucing up and getting to today's standards... properly sorting the features into cohesive paragraphs, moving release dates to bullet points, trimming excess or filling out light writeups, making sure links to other toys have the proper anchors, etc. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:32, 4 July 2023 (EDT)
::The faction symbols look neat, no issue there. ''Really'' dislike the alt-mode descriptions on the toyline pages; it's a huge amount of visual noise for very little informational gain, not even to mention the actual work involved. I honestly think they would be very error-prone as a rule, or at the very least lead to some extremely tiresome debates—for example, you've labelled Soundwave/Sideways as "Cybertronian" jets, but my understanding is that they're not Cybertronians at all...? Even until pretty recently, I often find myself clicking links on toy pages only to find that they've been broken by the epidemic of "/toys" splits (and then the subsequent merges now that that's being corrected!); so far as I'm concerned, if you're consistently able to click a link on a toyline page and immediately jump to a write-up with an actual image of the toy in question, that'd be far more useful than a brief indicator of alt-mode, especially considering most readers are going to know that Starscream probably turns into "a jet". Something else this has brought to mind for me, though—for the ''Cybertron'' toyline, could be nice to have extra faction bullets for the various Cyber Key types they came with! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:53, 6 July 2023 (EDT)
::: Late to the party, but I've seen some of the faction bullets have been implemented in some character articles and I really like how they look. I think it will also help in the long run with figures that are marketed as a certain faction on Hasbro's websites or packaging, but not on the toy itself or utilized in any fiction. Like, for example: ''Studio Series'' Sentinel Prime. His packaging features a Decepticon insignia, while his instructions feature an Autobot insignia, which means the toy is marketed as both factions, even if both insignia are absent on the toy itself. The alt-mode descriptors, on the other hand, are a no from me, better to leave those kinds of specifics to the toy write ups themselves, as some toy listings in toyline articles are already pretty cluttered as it is, due to all of the characters included in some sets. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 01:20, 5 August 2023 (EDT)
::::I'm in favor of both. I think the faction bullets look neat and visually appealing, and I wouldn't mind helping with the edits. I also think that the alt-mode listings would be very helpful, and while I agree that it could create a lot of visual noise, I think it could be lessened by some formatting alterations. In particular, making the alt-mode descriptors <small>(small)</small> and/or on a separate line, and having fewer columns in each row so they aren't so scrunched. Played around with a couple variations here: [[User:Ashendawn/sandbox:ToypageAltmodesAdded]] --[[User:Ashendawn|Ashendawn]] ([[User talk:Ashendawn|talk]]) 15:07, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
:::::I'm quite coming to like the faction symbols, but here's another vote against the alt descriptions. In addition to suddenly making the pages denser and busier... a lot of them are subjective and generic, and it will definitely be noticeable to have multiple generic vehicle types listed so close together. In that last sandbox, "missile truck" and "missile tank" are one on top of the other, and what's really the difference between an "off-road vehicle" and a "military buggy"? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:17, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
::::::I feel like that's REALLY getting into push-glasses-up-nose um-actually-ing and missing the entire point of the descriptors. The point is not to give a superprecise What They Very Definitely Are, but a general guide to people who don't actually remember every single toy's name and are thinking "who was that small blue truck?" while looking at the toyline pages. It's for the people who are not hyper-versed in Everything Transformers. It's for the same reasons we implemented "Major (character name here)"s on the disambiguation pages. Generalities is kind of the ''aim''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:06, 2 October 2023 (EDT)
:::::::But the descriptors aren't "small blue truck." None of them list either color or size. Instead we see "Cybertronian space cruiser", "Cybertronian jet", and "Cybertronian shuttle" directly adjacent to each other. The amount of space we reasonably have available, and the undeniable vagueness of many TF toys, makes me think our setup isn't the right one for helping people identify unknown / barely remembered toys. And then there's the question of how someone with an unknown / barely remembered toy would know to go to the right series in the first place. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:21, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
::::::::I do think listing the most predominant color(s) could be helpful. Shortening the "Cybertronian [x]" to "Cyber[x]" when possible, or omitting it (in the case of the space cruiser for example, since those don't actually exist outside of sci-fi) could help. As far as the usefulness factor goes--at least in my personal experience--as I've been working on identification of my spouse's childhood toys, we're usually able to identify the era but don't know the name of the specific toy (especially in the case of UT and and toy-only movie guys). Being able to control+F "green" and/or "jet" to find them would have saved me a lot of time. --[[User:Ashendawn|Ashendawn]] ([[User talk:Ashendawn|talk]]) 11:58, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
::::::::You're getting incredibly lost in vicious pedantry over something that's still in the process. You're acting like the proposal was for something EXACTLY unchanged from what was presented as a prototype, that still (and always would) be tweakable to see what worked better. Part of proposing this is to see if the wording and exact formatting could be tweaked, and other people have added ideas to it that I think really improve on things. The phrasing can be changed, and actually has been in the working example. ("RE: "Cybertronian", we could go with "tech" or "sci-fi" instead if we need that kind of qualifier or for space issues.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:41, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
::::::Oh and I think making the descriptors small text helps a lot, but not wild about changing the number of columns; in most cases that'd leave some real MASSIVE gaps. Brevity will help alleviate width/clutter concerns. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:08, 2 October 2023 (EDT)

== Alternators/Binaltech headers on toy pages ==

It feels like something from the old days of the wiki that has become outdated by our modern standards. Binaltech is not its own toyline, it's just the Takara version of Alternators, as reflected by both lines [[Transformers: Alternators|sharing the same page]]. So I propose we stop using "Alternators/Binaltech" headers on toy pages. Keep "Binaltech" on characters that ''only'' have Takara toys and standardize to just "Alternators" on all pages with either only Hasbro toys or both Hasbro and Takara toys. To use similar examples, we only have "[[Fortress Maximus (RID)#Car Robots|Car Robots]]" and "[[Lockdown (RID)#Adventure|Adventure]]" headers on Takara-only toy pages, while all other pages have "Robots in Disguise (2001)" and "Robots in Disguise (2015)" regardless of if they have Takara toys or not. There's no "Robots in Disguise/Car Robots" or "Robots in Disguise/Adventure" headers. So can we please start using the same standard to Alternators? --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 14:58, 29 June 2023 (EDT)

== Energon Universe coverage ==

With Void Rivals #2 due out next week, I think we need to start a discussion about how much coverage we give non-TF issues in the Energon Universe. This isn't like IDW where the shared universe element came years later; we're starting out on the ground floor, with Transformers part of the universe from the very first released issue. It's going to be closely involved with all the comics going forward, so I think we need to figure out if we're going to cover everything, and if not, what qualifies for coverage. For example, it sounds like Energon is going to be a recurring element in both Void Rivals and G.I. Joe. Is that alone enough to qualify, or do there need to be actual Transformers characters? I think we need to start asking these sorts of questions so we can figure out the scope of our coverage. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:39, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
:I'm fine with covering everything. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 23:42, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
:I am also in favor of covering it all, the universe has established immediately that Transformers seem to be intrinsic to it, and this way we can keep all reading to one wiki. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 23:46, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
::Agreed. They are presenting it as a shared, intrinsically connected universe - and yeah it's called the Energon Universe so that's very clearly transformery to us unless energon moves on from here to be a generic hasbroverse term, which we doubt. [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 23:52, 10 July 2023 (EDT)
:Yeah. I think "cover everything" is the best approach to begin with, and then if we want to discuss splitting things off at a later date we can do that. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 00:00, 11 July 2023 (EDT)
:Nothing against a "cover everything" either. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 00:53, 12 July 2023 (EDT)

==Stock image sizes==
Okay, I wanted to bring this up before going on a revertathon but... is there ANY need for HD stock imagery here? Frankly, 4000x2000 images at nearly a meg each seems like absolute overkill and just adding incrementally to server load (good god various Optimuses' toy pages are bad enough as it is, we prolly shouldn't be doing things to make that worse). We just need images big enough to be clear, we're not here to archive print-quality images. I've been sticking to a general 600px vertical with the odd 700px for bigger/more involved toys when doing pics, and like, that sure seems more than fine. Once you hit 1000px it feels real excessive. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:01, 3 August 2023 (EDT)

== Video game cameos ==

{{collist|2|
*[[Kunai]]
*[[Sawtooth (G1)]]
*[[Tricerashot (G1)]]
*[[Windstrike (G1)]]
*[[Zori (G1)]]
*[[Bashbreaker (G1)]]
*[[Baru (G1)]]
*[[Bido (G1)]]
*[[Gabu (G1)]]}}

I'm not seeing the point in being persnickety about continuity families when it comes to mobile game cameos, especially when said game already has established characters from other continuity families. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:52, 6 August 2023 (EDT)
:If you bothered to do some due diligence, you would know these guys are selectable for individual play, not "cameos". As long as our continuity family policy remains in place, they merit pages just as ''Prime'' Knock Out's G1 transplant does. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:56, 6 August 2023 (EDT)
::Dude, they're support units without any real role in the story (which, again, includes multiversal travelers already). That's cameo level to me. It's not comparable to Knock Out. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:04, 6 August 2023 (EDT)
:::Late, but they're definitely not cameos. The COMBAT bots frequently have their own dialogue and play a part in the event storylines. They're probably ''exactly'' the same situation as Knock Out, who so far as I can tell was introduced without any fanfare as to whether he's a native to the ''Earth Wars'' universe or a dimension-hopper. The same even appears true of "Breakdown Prime"! In the past, when characters from other continuities have shown up, there's always been lots of hullabaloo in the dialogues explaining where they've come from. It's silly to make definitive claims one way or another until we successfully scrape the scripts from the last couple of years and can read everything, so under current wiki policy unless someone can produce dialogues where Windstrike says "whoa, this Earth Wars universe is crazy, not at all like my home reality!" we just have to assume they're G1 versions of those characters and give them separate pages. Personally, I would actually ''agree'' that it's really silly to have created all of these tiny stub pages for these so-called "continuity transplants", and even brought up the fact earlier on the Portal that nobody had seemed to consider it problematic when they were all just lumped in on the Aligned pages, but if this is how it's gotta be then someone who feels strongly about the split oughta commit to having the coverage on the G1 pages, not the Aligned pages, and disambiguate between them properly. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 08:14, 25 August 2023 (EDT)

== Subcategory trimming ==

Looking at some of our character categories, such as the subcats under [[:Category:Generation 1 Autobots]] and [[:Category:Generation 1 Decepticons]], I'm starting to wonder if all of these are strictly necessary. I think there's merit to having categories for whole franchises, but I'm unsure whether we necessarily need to add more categories for inclusion in specific media or toylines, like "G1 cartoon Autobots" or "G1 toy Decepticons"; after a while, it starts to feel a little excessive and perhaps even counterproductive. Thoughts? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:44, 23 August 2023 (EDT)
:On the one hand, with "G1" being basically Brobdingnagian in scope, I think media/toyline subcategorization is definitely important... but I'm unsold in either direction on if the Autobot/Decep split in said subcats are necessary. I ''will'' put forward the argument ''for'' the subcategorization that categories are a very helpful method of quick-checking "who's in group x", especially with something as massive as "the Marvel comics cast". Looking for obscure comic Decepticons to maybe feature in something is a lot easier when you don't have to fish through a list that also includes every obscure comic-only Autobot. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:53, 23 August 2023 (EDT)
:: I"m good for keeping "Generation 1 cartoon" and "Marvel comic" categories the way we do with Dreamwave, IDW1, and IDW2 characters (although I think that the Marvel category should be merged with the preexisting [[:Category:Regeneration One Decepticons]] into a single "Marvel Comics continuity" category). "Generation 1 toy" seems... less necessary to me. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 19:31, 23 August 2023 (EDT)
::: The [[:Category:Generation 1 Seekers]] and [[:Category:Generation 1 Aerialbots]] categories are good and useful categories to me, as the subgroup is the main thing, in these cases (IMO), and the subgroups have been divided on the franchise/continuity-family level.--[[User:Karanseraph|Karanseraph]] ([[User talk:Karanseraph|talk]]) 12:25, 25 August 2023 (EDT)
I would definitely dump the Regeneration One categories. It's just a miniseries, and not a very impactful one at that. Plus, 99% of those characters are already in Marvel G1 anyway. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:30, 25 August 2023 (EDT)

== Wiki Format ==

I have a question regarding the set-up of this site. It is one of the only ones I've seen not using fandom and has a nice set up. The Gundam fandom users are talking about maybe moving off of fandom, and this site has shown promising to be a potential new site if a similar format can be created but changed to be Gundam style. I know of someone who "runs" the wiki, and would like to possibly get in contact with them to look at this and see if its plausible replacement for that. If anyone can do something like that, or if it's not possible to use this format like that, then please lmk, thnx! (PS: I'm on the discord, GrootimusPrime, if that would be easier contact as that's also how I'll probably get the Gundam wiki spokesperson to see.) [[User:SkywarpsTwin|SkywarpsTwin]] ([[User talk:SkywarpsTwin|talk]]) 11:29, 7 September 2023 (EDT)
:The skin we use is just one of the standard skins that comes with Mediawiki (Monobook) with some styling applied. If they have someone who is expert at tweaking stylesheets, they should be fine doing that, though there are other standard skins they could also look at tweaking. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:05, 7 September 2023 (EDT)
::Alright thanks, Ill look into that and relay to Iserlohn. Thanks! [[User:SkywarpsTwin|SkywarpsTwin]] ([[User talk:SkywarpsTwin|talk]])
What hosting service is used? While I'm not quite sure of preferences of admin, I'm just looking into cheaper hosts that can run this wiki to be good and useable for all editors, as they span most of the world, centering around Asia and America. (PS. If anyone knows Fandom gund-wiki users, please keep this on the low-down, we are attempting to keep this relatively low-key as there has been problems between ours and their teams. Thanks.) [[User:SkywarpsTwin|SkywarpsTwin]] ([[User talk:SkywarpsTwin|talk]]) 09:55, 12 September 2023 (EDT)
:We're hosted by Linode. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:04, 12 September 2023 (EDT)

== Include these? ==

I feel like on fiction related pages, we should include major event sections (so readers don't have to spend 10h scouring the page for info). And maybe we also should indicate some characters' debut (and also indicate when it is the first time a char appears on that continuity, like hot rod debuting in the movie, then state which ep he debuted in the show proper, and so on so forth).[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 19:26, 7 September 2023 (EDT)
:I feel like this would be more character based, as there are subcategories, mostly of continuities and such, but then major events would typically be character based, as outside of debuts, most characters major events are different than others and arent shared.[[User:SkywarpsTwin|SkywarpsTwin]] ([[User talk:SkywarpsTwin|talk]]) 10:15, 12 September 2023 (EDT)

== Gundam ==
So I've noticed a few references to Gundam here, and a few important people mentioned regarding it, but the links all go to the wiki page which isn't really that helpful, so I was wondering if I could possibly make a new page for it similar to like the go-bots where it gives a gist of it and directs to mentions of people related to it in here? [[User:SkywarpsTwin|SkywarpsTwin]] ([[User talk:SkywarpsTwin|talk]]) 09:26, 21 September 2023 (EDT)
:No. Wiki pages are only made for other properties when they cross over ''directly'' with Transformers. Just sharing tropes or staff isn't enough. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:33, 21 September 2023 (EDT)
::Then second question, where does one email Hasbro to angrily complain about the fact there hasn't been a crossover on the most crossover-able series ever. Literally they are perfect for each other, and if Gundam can crossover with hello kitty I think tformers would be good.[[User:SkywarpsTwin|SkywarpsTwin]] ([[User talk:SkywarpsTwin|talk]]) 09:37, 21 September 2023 (EDT)
:::This isn't the place for this. Talk pages are for meaningful discussions on how to improve the wiki, not for fandom bantering. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 09:48, 21 September 2023 (EDT)

== Fandom Terminology: #maccadam ==
So on the Fandom Page we have a page for fandom terminology that became official and we also have a Category for Fan Terminology, right?<br>
Maybe it could be useful to have an actual page dedicated to widespread fanmade terms aswell in order to make it easier to get into the fandom?<br>
Similarly to the Page for "Ruined FOREVER", which is essentially also just a list for common (ridiculous) opinions so to speak.<br>
For example the #maccadam tag is mostly used for Fanart on platforms like Twitter, Instagram etc. but looking it up on Google leads you to the actual character and it takes some time to find an actual explanation what the tag actually means (it was supposed to make it easier for fans to differentiate between Bayverse and Non-Bayverse Content. Interesting way to split the fandom y'all.).<br>
The Fanart community is really big for Transformers and given that Fan fiction even has its own page I feel it to also be logical to include the Fanart-Tag somewhere.<br>
As an alternative, the tag could also just be mentioned in Maccadam's wiki entry in the Trivia section, but yeah that's why I'm here, to wonder and ask before adding info on the fandom.<br>
[[User:Thunderwave|Thunderwave/Bwans_Art]] ([[User talk:Thunderwave|talk]]) 17:54, 20 October 2023 (EDT)

== Remastering the Wiki's logo and background ==
This proposal is to recreate the current logo and background of the wiki in nicer quality and colors that are more accurate to the Transformers Animated logo.

It would NOT be a redesign of the wiki's skin, I'm talking about simply replacing the current files for ones in a nicer resolution. This would also be more convenient to any social media publication that requires the use of the logo, which has become a running issue due to the unavailability of a high quality file of it.

To elaborate on the colors, the current logo and background have noticeably darker and purpler shades of blue than the Animated logo, so ideally the new versions would correct that.

As an added value, having newer files whose PSD/AI files are available could open the doors to variations for Holidays such as Christmas or Halloween, which had been done in the past. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 16:54, 26 October 2023 (EDT)

:I think that it would be a nice idea. Does this also mean remastering the headers of the links (The "Navigation", "Search", "Toolbox" and "Advertisement" thingies.) on the sides of each webpage? [[User:JJ2104|JJ2104]] ([[User talk:JJ2104|talk]]) 18:29, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
:That is a possibility, yes. It will depend on how well they look alongside the hypothetical new Logo and Background. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 23:49, 27 October 2023 (EDT)

== Up button ==

As per a request, I added a floating up button that will take you to the top of the page you're on. It should only appear once you've scrolled a little way down a page, and will take you back to the top when clicked. I'm adding this section here so people can offer feedback. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:34, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
:I see it when I load a page and it goes away when I scroll down. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:42, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
::It might require doing a shift-reload or whatever the equivalent is in your browser, as stuff can get cached. If that doesn't fix it, let me know which browser you're using, as it might be browser specific. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:47, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
::Gotcha, works now. (Using Chrome.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:56, 27 October 2023 (EDT)

:Oh that's nice. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:12, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
:I like it! -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 22:09, 27 October 2023 (EDT)

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== Formatting problems (just me?) ==

Now that the server has changed, all the formatting seems to have changed! Templates that should be on the right and next to the text (e.g. on episode pages) are on the left and pushing the text down! Is anyone else seeing these problems? --[[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 07:06, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
:It's not just you, I'm seeing it as well. --[[User:Boy Blunderous|Boy Blunderous]] 07:09, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
::We're on a newer version of MediaWiki, and it broke some of the templates. It'll be fixed soon, once we figure out why they're not formatting up right.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 07:22, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
:::As I said on the Community Portal just there, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#CSS.2FJs various LocalSettings.php variables] like $wgAllowUserCss and $wgUseSiteCss appear to have gone from "true" to "false" (or just plain deleted - I think they default false) in the move. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 07:39, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

== Go Box problem? ==

The GoBox is currently not there, no matter which browser I view this page in. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:50, 27 March 2013 (EDT)
:Same for me. Normally when it disappears all I have to do is refresh the page, but even that's not working at the moment. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|<sup>Use this!</sup>]] 08:00, 27 March 2013 (EDT)
::The forum signature GoBoxes are knackered too. Those just come up as a white rectangle. Something is indeed amiss. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 09:00, 27 March 2013 (EDT)
:::So, is anyone on this yet? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:02, 27 March 2013 (EDT)

== Not On Schedule ==

Did IDW stop making TF comics? If not can we please update the Schedule? [[User:Phantom|Phantom]] 13:01, 4 April 2013 (EDT)
:I don't keep track of the comics much, but I've had a bash at updating it with this month's releases. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:05, 4 April 2013 (EDT)
::That should be fine, I think so long as the next issues's release dates are on there. [[User:Phantom|Phantom]] 16:19, 4 April 2013 (EDT)

== Current Releases Series Addition ==

Dunno who added the series abbreviation before each entry under the IDW Transformers section under Current Releases (MtMtE, RiD, Spotlight, Monstrosity) but I really like it. Makes it easier to quickly tell which latest item you're looking for. Could the same be done with the other categories (Transformers Prime especially)? [[User:Excise|Excise]] 13:10, 12 June 2013 (EDT)

==Featured Article - October 2013==
It's October 4th - is there a new Featured Article ready to go? - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 20:49, 4 October 2013 (EDT)
:We're gonna need a new one soon. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 17:23, 2 November 2013 (EDT)
I think the next featured article should be Bumper G1! - [[User:Bumblejumper|Bumblejumper]] 23:07, 4 November 2013 (EST)
:It's not impressive enough, since Bumper (G1) has barely appeared in anything. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:12, 4 November 2013 (EST)
: Yeah, you got a point there! - [[User:Bumblejumper|Bumblejumper]] 23:15, 4 November 2013 (EST)

==TFP==
I noticed that Predacons Rising is still under "current releases", but it's several months old. I just wanted to mention this. - [[User:Silverboltmtmte|Silverboltmtmte]] ([[User talk:Silverboltmtmte|talk]]) 15:42, 14 December 2013 (EST)
:Though the TV premiere happened back then, the DVD release isn't that old. Besides, we have even older stuff still on that chart, like those two Rescue Bots episodes that aired over a year ago. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 17:52, 14 December 2013 (EST)
::Okay.

== Milestone page linking ==

What does everyone think about changing the Main Page disambiguation notice so that the actual number of articles links to [[Transformers Wiki:Milestones]] while the word "pages" links to the Statistics page? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:39, 1 August 2014 (EDT)

==Transformers Expo==
Just want to ask whether events such as the aforementioned Expo, BotCon or TFCon should be listed on the main page. [[User:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|Optimus Prime (Convoy)]] ([[User talk:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|talk]]) 09:58, 31 October 2014 (EDT)
:TFCon isn't official, so that's out. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 11:35, 31 October 2014 (EDT)
::BotCon is ''always'' listed on the main page. Whether it's worth listing events for Asia which the majority of our readership wouldn't be able to get to, I'm not sure. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:12, 31 October 2014 (EDT)
:::I don't see BotCon, could you guys tell me where it is? Anyway, the Expos are pretty big in Asia, we've got some commercials on TV and adverts on public transports. Besides, I've been to the Transformers 30th Anniversary Exhibition in Korea, so I have a lot of information on that and I'm going to the one in Singapore soon, so...[[User:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|Optimus Prime (Convoy)]] ([[User talk:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|talk]]) 21:27, 31 October 2014 (EDT)
::::BotCon is usually listed in the schedule, though no one's added BotCon 2015 yet. Info on the Asia conventions would be fantastic! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:53, 31 October 2014 (EDT)
:::::I'll do my best. Anyway, I've found four Expos in Asia, including ones from, South Korea, Malaysia, Macau and Singapore. They all share similar names (Transformers: 30th Anniversary Exhibition, Transformers Expo, Transformers 30th Anniversary Expo for the last two. They seem to be the same in a traveling exhibition, but I can't find any concrete evidence...(The one from Korea seems especially independent) Also, where should I put the events on the main page?[[User:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|Optimus Prime (Convoy)]] ([[User talk:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|talk]]) 22:04, 31 October 2014 (EDT)
::::::Events should only have a page if they're specifically organized by Hasbro and/or Takara, though we have an [[unofficial conventions]] page for conventions which aren't. I strongly suspect you're right about that being a traveling expo, and that it started with [[Transformers China Exhibition]]. If there's no way to prove it, I guess we need to make separate pages for them though, perhaps with notes linking them. If any of the (official) expos are currently running, we could stick them at the bottom of [[Main Page/featured-series]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:36, 31 October 2014 (EDT)
:::::::Could anyone give me a hand here? I don't quite know how to edit the table... Sorry for the inconvenience.[[User:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|Optimus Prime (Convoy)]] ([[User talk:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|talk]]) 11:21, 1 November 2014 (EDT)

== Transformers Universe ==

I think we can take this off the Schedule.

== Comic Schedule ==

Transformers Vol. 2 Issue is set to release on 25 Feburary according to itunes,Should i change it or not?
[[User:Hyruk|Hyruk]] ([[User talk:Hyruk|talk]]) 10:49, 21 February 2015 (EST)
:It's not on Diamond's shipping lists, so it won't be in stores next week. If iTunes actually release it, that'll be another matter. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 14:29, 21 February 2015 (EST)

== Featured Article Oct. 2015? ==
Has there been a decision or nomination for the slot already? Because if it's not already set, I'd like to nominate [[Scourge (RID)]]. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 22:26, 24 September 2015 (EDT)
:? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:46, 30 September 2015 (EDT)
::Guess not! Sooo, how about considering him for Featured this May? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:10, 29 April 2017 (EDT)

== January ==
How about [[Star Wars]]? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:02, 23 December 2015 (EST)
:I like the idea of it being a Rescue Bots article - I Have Heard, or Blades if we don't want to use an episode page - in honour of IHHTRS being nominated for an Annie award. (The awards are on February 6.) Star Wars is a good option too, though. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 09:34, 23 December 2015 (EST)

::What about [[Optimus Prime (WFC)]] or [[Bumblebee (WFC)]]? -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 10:27, 23 December 2015 (EST)

==GoBox Issues==
Is the GoBox just not showing up at ''all'' for anybody else? I've been browsing the wiki and the GoBox is just...gone. It's not like the image just broke, the entire thing is gone. Did the staff get rid of it or is it just bugged out? (I'm using the latest version of Google Chrome, for the record, just in case it's a browser thing). [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 13:04, 28 December 2015 (EST)

:I'm having the same problem browsing the wiki on my iPad, which uses Safari, so I don't think it's a browser issue. I'm gonna hop on my computer and see if it happens with Firefox. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 13:08, 28 December 2015 (EST)

:Firefox is doing the same thing. The strange thing is, I don't even see the place where the GoBox should be. Everything below has been moved up to compensate for the loss of the GoBox. I noticed this last night, but figured I should probably wait until more people were awake to bring it up. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 13:13, 28 December 2015 (EST)
::So this isn't a client issue, then. Good, that means that it's not on my end that the error's happening. I've sent a tweet to the Twitter account about it, and maybe that could get a head's up going on the matter. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 13:22, 28 December 2015 (EST)

:::[[Red Alert (G1)|It's a conspiracy, I tell you!]] -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 13:55, 28 December 2015 (EST)
::::It is fixed now! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:15, 28 December 2015 (EST)

:::::Yep. I see them too. Thank goodness. I don't have the numbers, but I suspect the GoBoxes get us a large amount of our site traffic, not to mention being part of the site's charm. Glad to have them back!
:::::Just out of curiousity, does anyone know why they originally stopped working? -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 18:14, 28 December 2015 (EST)
::::::There's an automated process that saves a copy of [[Template:Goicons]] which is what is actually used as the gobox list. Once in a blue moon it messes up and saves a blank copy and the goboxes break. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:44, 28 December 2015 (EST)
:::::::Good to know. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 22:49, 28 December 2015 (EST)

== Linking to Category:Images to be replaced ==

I was thinking it would be nice if there was a link to [[:Category:Images to be replaced]] somewhere on the main page, perhaps in [[Main Page/editing-tips]], so that new editors can find the category easier and maybe help us replace some of the sub-par images on the site. Thoughts? -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 17:26, 2 February 2016 (EST)

== Current Releases RID linking? ==

It might be helpful for the terms Cartoon, IDW Comic, Signature Publishing and Book to link to their respective articles, instead of requiring users to click on the series title then navigate to the specific pages from there. [[User:RevTibe|RevTibe]] ([[User talk:RevTibe|talk]]) 23:09, 14 February 2016 (EST)

== A Nitpick ==

Hey, ''very'' minor nitpick here, but there's no comma in the "Speak, Memory! (Part 2)" link in the main page. I get that it's not gonna matter in 20 days, but still... (please don't stab me) [[User:Genitus|Genitus]] ([[User talk:Genitus|Talk]]) 08:54, 18 February 2016 (EST)

== GoBoxes gone AWOL ==

I'm not seeing the GoBoxes at all. Is this just a problem on my end, or is it happening for everyone else? -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 17:05, 2 April 2016 (EDT)
:There was a missing close tag in the XML. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:58, 2 April 2016 (EDT)
::Yeah, they're back now. Thanks! -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 18:39, 2 April 2016 (EDT)

== Other wiki plagiarizing ==

So I was trying to find online stores for transformers and I found this other transformers wiki
(http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Bombshell)
pretty much all the articles are just direct copies of pages on this wiki {{unsigned|Milthar|16:11, 17 May 2016‎ }}
: That wiki didn't copy us so much as they used to ''be'' us. We used to be on Wikia, and then Wikia got [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal/Complaints|progressively more terrible]] so [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving|we decided to leave]]. But then Wikia wouldn't delete the old version of the wiki, so it stayed up and has been shambling along as sort of a zombie-wiki ever since. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] ([[User talk:Andrusi|talk]]) 13:12, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
::They've actually started to make some major changes lately. I'm not sure if I'd characterize the changes as good ones, but they are definitely changes. For example, pages are being broken up by universal streams and character infoboxes are being added.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:14, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
::: If you're ever in need of a laugh, just remember that [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/The_Web this page] has stuck around for 1+ years without getting corrected. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 14:41, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
::::That's doubly funny because they are (finally) trying to at least reduce (if not eliminate) the humor to make themselves more distinct from us. They also seem to be writing more out-of-universe text, but that may just be due to inexperienced editors as opposed to a conscious decision. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:15, 18 May 2016 (EDT)

== HELP an under-construction wiki regarding ads? ==

Hello, I'm the head admin of a fellow wiki currently in the final stages of becoming independent from Wikia. There is only a very small amount of things left to do before making the official reveal, one of those (and a rather important one) being ads. Can anyone tell me how you added the "Advertisements" port on the sidebar on the left? And how you added things to that such as a Donate button? I can't seem to find any useful info online. Is it an extension that is being used, and if so, in what way and what extension is it? If you don't know how it works but maybe you know someone who does know, can you lead me to a way to contact them so I can ask? The wiki URL is my username, but add a .org at the end.

Please and thank you!! :) [[User:Wikizilla|Wikizilla]] ([[User talk:Wikizilla|talk]]) 19:06, 1 September 2016 (EDT)
:The code to insert the ads is all from [https://www.projectwonderful.com/ Project Wonderful]. Once you sign up and create advertising space with them, they provide you with some javascript and you can add it to your site's skin. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:49, 1 September 2016 (EDT)
::Wait, so does that include whatever is used to create the actual sidebar portlet? As in, the actual box that says "ADVERTISEMENT" and contains these ads? As in, the [http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/493titanollante/images/5/54/The_entire_ADVERTISEMENTS_thing.png/revision/latest?cb=20160902014744 entire thing] included since I have no idea how to make that new portlet {I assume the ad code works somewhat similarly to AdSense code?}. Thank you for the response though! :D [[User:Wikizilla|Wikizilla]] ([[User talk:Wikizilla|talk]]) 21:51, 1 September 2016 (EDT)
:::I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure from memory that the portlet is just hard coded into the skin, so it's not dynamically generated or anything. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:47, 1 September 2016 (EDT)
::::That's what I figured. Something on Skin.php in /includes/ folder or something maybe? That's my guess anyways... [[User:Wikizilla|Wikizilla]] ([[User talk:Wikizilla|talk]]) 19:26, 2 September 2016 (EDT)
:::::It's whatever your main skin file is (MonacoBook.php in our case). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:42, 3 September 2016 (EDT)
::::::So in /wiki/skins/MonoBook, I edit Monobook.php? Ok. Do I add [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/SkinBuildSidebar this] to it? I can't quite seem to figure that out. [[User:Wikizilla|Wikizilla]] ([[User talk:Wikizilla|talk]]) 16:18, 3 September 2016 (EDT)
::::::Please man, I really can't get this to work... :[ [[User:Wikizilla|Wikizilla]] ([[User talk:Wikizilla|talk]]) 18:10, 8 September 2016 (EDT)
:::::::Apologies, I missed your previous message. You'd need to add the code to MonacoBook.php, yes. SkinBuildSidebar would work, but you'd still need to edit MonacoBook.php anyway because PW's code has a section of javascript that has to be added at the top of the page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:42, 8 September 2016 (EDT)

== Food Network ==

Recommending a new page for Food Network shows that have Transformers specials. I'm watching an episode of Cake Wars right now, but I came in late and I don't know the full story. There was also an episode of Cake Masters where Charm City Cakes catered the 30th anniversary. I'll try to get some info scraped up to at least get some stubs started if no one beats me to it. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream|talk]]) 01:34, 1 November 2016 (EDT)
:I'm pretty sure this is the kind of 'pop culture cruft' that is explicitly not covered... - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 05:05, 1 November 2016 (EDT)
::Fair point, but does it matter that it's part of an official partnership deal? The second one was explicitly an official Hasbro event as far as I can tell, with a representative of the company appearing on screen. I'm not sure if that makes a big enough difference or not. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream|talk]]) 15:57, 1 November 2016 (EDT)

== Go! Box ==

Is anybody else missing the Go! box? If there are any, is there a reason it's missing?[[User:RedWingGladiator|RedWingGladiator]] ([[User talk:RedWingGladiator|talk]]) 07:43, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
:This isn't new; once in a blue moon the Goboxes break because the automated system accidentally saves a blank copy, which breaks the Gobox. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 10:44, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
::Though in this case it was because there was an error in the xml template itself. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:00, 4 August 2017 (EDT)

*And they're broken again, from [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Template:Goicons&diff=1205657&oldid=1198508 this]. I tried editing so it matched everything else in the template, but they're still not working, so if somebody else can perform the required percussive maintenance... - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 05:35, 3 September 2017 (EDT)
::The goboxes run off a cached copy of the goicons template, which is only updated once a day, so if they break because someone messed up the coding, it'll stay broken for 24 hours unless the cache is updated manually. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:48, 3 September 2017 (EDT)
:::Ahh, thanks. I was wondering if that was it, but decided to speak up just in case I was wrong. I'll remember that for next time. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 18:06, 3 September 2017 (EDT)

==Performance Matters==

SAG-AFTRA has [https://www.sagaftra.org/sag-aftra-members-vote-approve-interactive-media-video-game-agreement ratified] its video game voice acting contract. Time to take the banner down. [[User:Cr85747|Cr85747]] ([[User talk:Cr85747|talk]]) 07:27, 12 November 2017 (EST)
: Seconded. Now that the strike is 100% finished, there's no reason for it to remain up there. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:07, 15 November 2017 (EST)

== Navigation menu ==

Should we remove Rescue Bots from the main navigation on the left, since the series will have been over for a year by this time next week? And on a similar note, should we slot in the Prime Wars Trilogy since Titans Return is currently airing and Power of the Primes is tentatively set for next year? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:38, 15 November 2017 (EST)

== Create a new page about the upcoming Studio Series toyline ==

New information has come this month. We should create the page now or we have to wait until the official announcement--[[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 20:38, 11 February 2018 (EST)

== Adding BotBots to Navigation ==
We should probably do that. I don't know how to do that, or I would have. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:57, 3 November 2018 (EDT)
:Should we add War for Cybertron: Siege as well? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:45, 3 November 2018 (EDT)
::So... we gonna add BotBots? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:30, 29 November 2018 (EST)

In fact... is there some reason we don't add currently-selling major toylines to the Navigation bar? There is NOTHING linking to Siege or Studio Series or BotBots on the mainpage first-screen (unless you get lucky with a Go! Box); you gotta scroll down and dig out a link from the "Schedule", and the most obvious direct links are at the literal bottom of the page. This seems very wrong, ''especially'' given there are now three non-continuing series in the Navigation bar (which also end up in the "Current Releases" box on the right).<br>
I feel like stuff like Cyberverse and Rescue Bots Academy should link to the franchise pages, not the fiction page. (Bumblebee I'm willing to quibble on (film) vs (franchise) but I lean towards the latter.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:59, 8 December 2018 (EST)
:Shoot for it! [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 21:01, 8 December 2018 (EST)
::I've been saying for a while now (at least on The Allspark's TFWiki thread) that the whole ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' line itself ought to be in the Navigation bar, since it seems to be sticking around indefinitely for the foreseeable future. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:17, 8 December 2018 (EST)

== TCG to navigation? ==

Am i the only one who thinks that the TCG should be on the navigation sidebar as all current toy lines get on there Arren1234 18:31, 6 January 2019 (EST)

I'd second that idea. I've helped edit the page and seeing as it is a current, ongoing part of the fandom, it would make sense to include it on the sidebar. MrRoboto
11:13, 17 April 2019 (CT)

== Go-Bots ==

Considering this wiki long ago decided to leave any non-TF-related Go Bots material to other wikis is there a reason the Go Bots comic is listed in the current release section? [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 23:44, 7 January 2019 (EST)
: Click the link to find out. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 00:04, 8 January 2019 (EST)
::I think he's asking why the comic series is included on here at all when it's not a Transformers comic nor tied to any Transformers media. Like, why not have GBWiki do that instead? Its [[gbwiki:Main Page|main page]] has a News section; for lack of a "Current Releases" section of its own (understandibly so, of course), the comic series name and issue number could go there instead. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:19, 8 January 2019 (EST)
:::So we'd be advertising our side-wiki even less than we already do, then. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 00:57, 8 January 2019 (EST)
:::Why not do both? It'll only be an issue for a little while. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:58, 8 January 2019 (EST)

== Adding icons for the IDW Hasbro and GoBots wikis ==

There was some discussion on the Allspark thread a couple of weeks ago about adding icons for the two sister wiki to the Main Page alongside our Twitter and Tumblr links (and also remove the Blogspot link) with a couple of mockups made to show what it would look like. You can find the two examples in the couple of posts starting [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/page-635#entry3881624 here]. Any feedback welcome! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:47, 15 June 2019 (EDT)
:I think the version that explicitly names the other sites is preferable, but I'm not convinced by the alignment of the text over the icons in your example. You'd have to play around with it some. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 21:43, 15 June 2019 (EDT)
::Yeah, I kinda threw that together just roughly to put across the idea. I'll be doing a sandbox to get all that right before going live. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:25, 16 June 2019 (EDT)
:::[[User:Abates/sandbox|Sandbox here]] --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:14, 18 June 2019 (EDT)
::::I wish we had a third social media account to fill that gap in the middle and make the text look less off-center, but I like it in concept. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 10:25, 18 June 2019 (EDT)
::::I kind of feel like captions indicating what the other wikis ''are'' would be preferable, but I'm not sure how to make that not look like ass... (Also, is the TFWiki.info bit actually needed?) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 13:49, 18 June 2019 (EDT)
::::: Yeah, I feel like the ".info" bit can be safely axed. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 14:09, 18 June 2019 (EDT)
::::::I dunno, if we're paying for another domain name for branding purposes we should keep noting it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:50, 18 June 2019 (EDT)
:::::::Why ''are'' we paying for another domain name? Just to stop anyone else taking it? Because I don't think anyone actually defaults to .info... --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:18, 18 June 2019 (EDT)
::::::::Yeah, I think that's why. A situation where Wikia/Fandom grabs tfwiki.info or whatever and points it at their Transformers Wikia would be a recipe for confusion. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:31, 18 June 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::Mm. But if that's the ''only'' reason we have it, why have a link on the main page that's just a redirect to itself? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:28, 18 June 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::I guess it's a case of it being added back when we left Wikia (We had [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=197671 an announcement] that linked to both URLs) and the link was kept as the Main Page changed. We could perhaps instead note it on the [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]] page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:48, 18 June 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::::Yeah, I don't think there's any reason we need the link on the front page. Plus I like the balance of the text in the current sandbox. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:28, 19 June 2019 (EDT)

:Any more input on this or can I throw it up on the main page? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:56, 26 June 2019 (EDT)
::I feel like the icon that Ravage should be resting his paw on ought to be the Twitter icon. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:56, 26 June 2019 (EDT)
:::Twitter gets pretty snippy about having things interact with their logo/icon, while Tumblr sees to be more chill about it, hence why they're positioned the way they are. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:59, 26 June 2019 (EDT)
::Did you experiment at all with text captions for the icons? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:09, 27 June 2019 (EDT)
:::I've added a version with text captions to the sandbox, though I'm not sure it looks as good as without. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:24, 27 June 2019 (EDT)
::::Yeah, the text just looks out of place and unbalanced. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:11, 27 June 2019 (EDT)
:::::It might look more balanced if the Twitter and Tumblr icons had text beneath them too, but one could also argue that all four having text would look too cluttered. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 20:16, 27 June 2019 (EDT)

== Add a Breaking News Section ==

I say that they need to add a Breaking News Section for Breaking News in the Transformers Section.
→[[User:806mtson|806mtson]] ([[User talk:806mtson|talk]]) 21:56, 19 November 2020 (EST)
:We're not really a "news" kind of site. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:58, 19 November 2020 (EST)

== Adding a link to the "TFWiki Community" Wordpress site. ==

Wouldn't make since as it is technically a part of the site, and there isn't a link to it anywhere else on the wiki?[[User:DDog|DDog]] ([[User talk:DDog|talk]]) 00:03, 20 November 2020 (EST)
:Also on the nitpicky side, shouldn't the illustration of SG Ravage be waving as he says he is when you hover over it? It kind of bugs me.[[User:DDog|DDog]] ([[User talk:DDog|talk]]) 00:03, 20 November 2020 (EST)

== Community portal? ==

I know this isn't exactly the right place to ask this, but what happened to the community portal? I clicked the link in the sidebar and it came up as "create this page".--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:58, 25 November 2020 (EST)
:Okay, looking around a bit at places where I know it is linked from I have discovered that the sidebar links to [[Transformers Wiki:Community portal]] and the actual page is [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal]]. Notice the capitalization difference. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:01, 25 November 2020 (EST)
::Yeah, the sidebar appears to have reset to a default, dropping the custom links to current franchises and changing to an incorrect capitalisation for the community portal. Once the sidebar's fixed we should be good. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 09:06, 25 November 2020 (EST)
:::Huh, looks like it fixed itself? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:28, 25 November 2020 (EST)

== Fall of Cybertron toyline ==

I find it odd that Fall of Cybertron is the only franchise in the Series Information featurebox to not have a link to its own toyline. Even the original War for Cybertron has a redirect pointing to its five toys released on the Generations line. So wouldn't it make sense to also include a redirect for the FOC section of the Generations line under the FOC franchise here? [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 21:21, 25 November 2020 (EST)

== Self Transforming Optimus Prime toys ==

Any articles on the self-transforming Optimus Prime G1 toy which cost $700?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0SEYM9jHVg {{unsigned|Mzawutang}}
:It wouldn't get its own article, though it's not absolutely clear where in our [[Optimus Prime (G1)/suite]] it would go. It blurs the line between toy and merchandise, and if it's a toy at all it would probably go on the "old" toy page simply because it isn't Generations. Not helping matters is that the Robosen and Hasbro Pulse websites each show different packaging with different product line names. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:47, 19 October 2021 (EDT)

== Family Guy Cutaway Gag ==

I remember seeing this cutaway skit on Youtube from Family Guy themed around Transformers. Something about a Decepticon named Negatron who turns into a canoe. Is it worth making a page about at all? [[User:GoodMudkip|GoodMudkip]] ([[User talk:GoodMudkip|talk]]) 15:48, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
:Lots of other media references Transformers. We don't include any of it, because it's not official. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 15:53, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
::^ Correct. We don't cover other shows making reference to Transformers unless it's an official collaboration with Hasbro. The only exception is we'll sometimes make brief mention on a voice actor's page if they reprise their character for a parody, such as David Kaye voicing Megatron in Robot Chicken. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:55, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
:::Funny you should mention the thing about David Kaye, since the skit I'm talking about had Frank Welker reprise his role as Megatron. I don't know if that makes it eligible to make a page about, but I thought it was worth bringing up. [[User:GoodMudkip|GoodMudkip]] ([[User talk:GoodMudkip|talk]]) 16:06, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
::::Still not worth a page. And we already have a note on Welker's page about him reprising Megatron and Soundwave in parodies on other shows. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:09, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
:::::Gotcha, thanks for clarifying. [[User:GoodMudkip|GoodMudkip]] ([[User talk:GoodMudkip|talk]]) 16:11, 28 September 2021 (EDT)

== Potential removal of Twitter from the "We're also on these websites:" area ==

Yeah...about that. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 23:13, 17 November 2022 (EST)
:Let's hold off until something ''actually'' happens. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:18, 17 November 2022 (EST)
:Are you not making a premature call here? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:19, 17 November 2022 (EST)
::Yes, I know it's premature, but still. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 23:21, 17 November 2022 (EST)
:::We should definitely wait until Twittergeddon actually takes place before removing the link. (So in about 2 or 3 days) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:41, 17 November 2022 (EST)
Honestly I'm really scared about this.--[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 04:25, 18 November 2022 (EST)

No. It will be fine in the end and this whole bit of conversation will look silly in a few months time. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:42, 18 November 2022 (EST)

UPDATE: So, about that. (Yes, I know it's still premature again) [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 05:41, 18 February 2023 (EST)
:It's still fine. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:47, 18 February 2023 (EST)

== Fan interactions ==

So [https://twitter.com/NicoleDubuc/status/1612440658035503110 this] happened, and it kinda jogged something in my head about what extent fan interactions like this can influence the wiki. How should I treat this next time I run into one of them?--[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 20:38, 9 January 2023 (EST)
:Nothing. This is commentary from a random writer on random fanart; it is not official material or something that clarifies it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:29, 9 January 2023 (EST)

== Icon change (or not.) ==
I assume that everyone's thoughts are "(in Dan from Dan VS' voice) '''I don't care how he rebranded Twitter, we're <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:100px;line-height:100px;font-weight:900;">NOT</span> changing the icon and its name.'''" [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]])
:I see no reason to indulge that stale bong rip with bad hair plugs and an apartheid-earned trust fund. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:37, 28 July 2023 (EDT)

== Remastering the Wiki's logo and background ==

This proposal is to recreate the current logo and background of the wiki in nicer quality and colors that are more accurate to the Transformers Animated logo.

It would NOT be a redesign of the wiki's skin, I'm talking about simply replacing the current files for ones in a nicer resolution. This would also be more convenient to any social media publication that requires the use of the logo, which has become a running issue due to the unavailability of a high quality file of it.
To elaborate on the colors, the current logo and background have noticeably darker and purpler shades of blue than the Animated logo, so ideally the new versions would correct that.

As an added value, having newer files whose PSD/AI files are available could open the doors to variations for Holidays such as Christmas or Halloween, which had been done in the past. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 16:54, 26 October 2023 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Legacy

2023-09-19T17:39:17Z

MrRald: /* Maybe smoosh "Evolution" up in with the first year */

Shouldn't kingdom Blaster be under wave 1 voyager class? [[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 12:08, 7 December 2021 (EST)
:No, because he's getting a release in Kingdom, so he goes there. If/when a Blaster Legacy repack is announced, THEN it will be placed in the appropriate Legacy wave. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 21:43, 11 December 2021 (EST)

== name ==

Why isn't this '''''Transformers: Legacy''''', like most other franchises? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 22:51, 13 January 2022 (EST)

Is there some other Transformers: Legacy that this needs to be disambiguated with? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:40, 25 January 2022 (EST)
:We already have the tag to this [[Legacy (disambiguation)]]. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 18:26, 25 January 2022 (EST)
::"Transformers: Legacy" is not the same thing as "Legacy". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:40, 25 January 2022 (EST)
:::See this for a similar disambig: [[Energon (disambiguation)]]. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 18:45, 25 January 2022 (EST)
::::Okay, clearly you're not understanding. I'm talking about the "(toyline)" in the ''title'' of the article. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:47, 25 January 2022 (EST)
:::::I assume the disambig tag was included by instinct in anticipation of tie-in media which has not yet been proven to exist. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:53, 25 January 2022 (EST)
::::::Yeah it probably shouldn't have had the "toyline" in the title until other Legacy media was revealed. Has there been any rumors of any? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 22:24, 26 January 2022 (EST)

== G2 Universe Jhiaxus insignia ==

Currently, G2 Universe Jhiaxus is listed here as a G2 Decepticon, but would it not make more sense that the non-purple insignia on his chest is supposed to represent the Cybertronian Empire and not the G2 Decepticons? --[[User:Dinobot Scorn|Dinobot Scorn]] ([[User talk:Dinobot Scorn|talk]]) 19:05, 15 April 2022 (EDT)
: I'd agree, but it doesn't really matter.[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 11:52, 19 September 2022 (EDT)

== Transmetal II Megatron Insignia ==
Transmetal II Megatron is listed using the Prime sigil for Predacons, and not the correct Beast Wars sigil.

== Velocitron Speedia line ==

Hey, so I've seen both info and pictures from various sources (most notably tfw2005) regarding a subline for legacy called the Velocitron Speedia 500 Collection. It has (so far) Voyager Class Cybertron Override (new mold) and Voyager Class Road Hauler (redeco and new head retool of ER Grapple). There's a full review for the former, as well as inbox images of both. Are we going to add this or are we waiting for something?[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 16:53, 6 June 2022 (EDT)
:We only cover materials that have been officially revealed - not leaked or stolen. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:03, 6 June 2022 (EDT)
::Got it!--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 18:28, 6 June 2022 (EDT)

== Those weird teasers ==

How should I word them, if at all?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 20:16, 31 January 2023 (EST)
:You don't. Let somebody else do it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:45, 31 January 2023 (EST)
::Ok thanks.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 20:51, 31 January 2023 (EST)

== Snarl ==

Do we KNOW for sure that Dinobot #6 is going to be Snarl? The fact that he's all by himself in wave 7 and has no other wave 7 stuff or pictures feels a little sketchy, but I don't want to assume. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 17:14, 22 February 2023 (EST)
:We literally have a citation for it from a Hasbro designer. It's fine. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:31, 22 February 2023 (EST)
:Gotcha. Sorry. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 18:00, 22 February 2023 (EST)

==Maybe smoosh "Evolution" up in with the first year==
I'll be honest, I'm not sold on keeping the Evolution portion of this line as a separate subheader, for a few reasons.
:1) We're already calling it a subline imprint, which we've historically not split out into their own subheaders. And it's not like there was a major theming change like with Earthrise/Kingdom. Hell, we already have Evo waves start with "wave 4" and whatnot.
:2) Layout-wise, being able to put the Leaders/Commanders/Titans from both years into single sections would kill a LOT of dead empty space.
I'm thinking just roll the Evo stuff up, merge the descriptor paragraphs, mark Evo waves with (Evolution) in the table headers. I'm not remotely adamant about this, just mulling as page layout/accessibility is always in my mind. Maybe I'll sandbox it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:05, 10 March 2023 (EST)
:[[User:M_Sipher/Sandbox:_LegacySmoosh]] - Sandbox'd! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:48, 10 March 2023 (EST)
::I definitely prefer the page being like that, seems less cluttered in my opinion.--[[User:CyclonustheWarrior|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior|talk]]) 21:15, 10 March 2023 (EST)

:Okay so like... giving it a couple more days, but if no-one can come up with a decent counter to why we shouldn't compress the page as shown in the sandbox, I'll be going ahead and doing so. Oh, and we'd treat whatever follows the same way, assuming 2024 is another "Legacy _____" line. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:35, 13 March 2023 (EDT)
::I'm inclined to agree on this. The dividing line between Legacy and Legacy: Evolution seems much finer than between the toylines of the previous "Generations trilogies": the logo is still "LEGACY" in the biggest letters with "Evolution" as a subtitle (versus e.g. SIEGE/EARTHRISE/KINGDOM being the headline with War for Cybertron as a subtitle), the assortments it's being shipped in have continued from Legacy rather than starting afresh, and there's no big change in theming or story, just a new packaging colour and a new barely-there gimmick. If the structure of Legacy as a line becomes more complex somehow in future we could revisit it, but for now I don't think there'd be much harm in running the lists together and having a bit up top like "Legacy toys ostensibly have Energon weapons, Evolution toys ostensibly have Evo-Fusion weapons". [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 04:28, 14 March 2023 (EDT)
::Disagree. I think we shouldn't ignore the opportunity to draw a line under a previous year's product marked by a gimmick, logo, and entire packaging change, lest this page become an out-of-order wall of text like ''[[Studio Series]]''. Sure it's not a sea change like in the Prime Wars or War for Cybertron Trilogies, but a delineation is a delineation. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 05:46, 14 March 2023 (EDT)
:::Yeah I don't necessarily disagree with this, and certainly if Legacy wound up lasting more than three years I'd ''definitely'' be in favour of section splits, the Studio Series page absolutely has become a bit of an achronological bastard. Ultimately my personal key issue is just that Legacy should be on one article, I wouldn't be too cut up about either approach in terms of how this one article is organised. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 08:47, 14 March 2023 (EDT)
::::I could go either way. No opposition from me. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 15:22, 14 March 2023 (EDT)
:::Thing is, virtually all of that also applies to, like, The Unicron Battles and The Powerlinx Battles from ''Armada/Energon''. Packaging change, logo, ostensible minor gimmick change in the ''Energon'' one, and I would absolutely argue against splitting those out into separate subsections. I don't like making readers pagebounce for info, especially if it results in more and more wasted empty vertical space, and we've had problems with people over-subheadering in the past. And ''Studio'' is the Spiders Georg of the modern TF toy output, I kinda have a hard time seeing ''Legacy'' get anywhere that bad when there's maybe 4 waves of any sizeclass a year max at normal retail (a lot of its bulk comes from exclusives, which are split out and sub-sub-divided depending on the size of the capsules), I really don't think it's in danger there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:47, 14 March 2023 (EDT)
::::In fact, having had a think about it... let's say Legacy DOES go into 4 or 5 years or so. I'd say that would actually make the problem WORSE to split the years out ''in the same formatting as as Evolution is now''. Every year we'd be having 30-40ish percent of a screen's vertical space devoted to listing... two (2) toys. If (big if) we have to split Legacy by year in the future, I'd say the solution to compounding page layout problems is already on the page... the Velocitron assortment. Where we don't have a sample from every size class borking up layouts by forcing empty space into the thing. Where the larger, fewer-items assortments are rolled up into a single table. Also like how the G1/G2 toy pages are laid out, more or less.
::::Personally I think that's a lesser solution, and I'm not exactly wild about slapping all of "wave 1" in a row then "wave 2" (it works okay with something as controlled timing-wise as an exclusive capsule line, less so with a normal retail release where product just shows up whenever, I think we'd wanna keep size classes sequential at least), but I look at the gaps caused by the Commander and Titan listings as-is and it makes me wince to think of continuing that practice over a single page for multiple years. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:05, 14 March 2023 (EDT)

Now that we officially know year 3 is titled ''Legacy: United'' in addition to reliable listings of another massive Walmart subline, does the current format still work? I feel like the previous format of individual sections for each year would better present information pertaining to each year's massive Walmart subline. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 11:17, 19 September 2023 (EDT)
::I think we maybe put something in the intro paragraph to show what year is what, and then also label the waves by release like what someone did to the armada page.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 11:36, 19 September 2023 (EDT)
:I'm afraid I have to agree with Agent 47 (and, earlier, Gherkin) that with ''Legacy'' now persisting indefinitely that delineating between years of product provides a more intuitive layout for readers with the technicalities of the name scheme being somewhat beside the point. Casual readers were already coming to the discord with complaints about difficulty parsing information on the 2023 assortment when it was just the two, and the now-overhauled ''[[Studio Series]]'' page provides a pretty clear roadmap in my view.

:With regards to whitespace concerns, perhaps the year's Commander and Titan could share some sort of "big ticket item" header and we axe the images? --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:29, 19 September 2023 (EDT)
:I agree that the yearly subtitles should be delineated the way we do with Studio Series. It will be far more intuitive and reflecting of how the toyline evolved and progressed. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:39, 19 September 2023 (EDT)

== Legacy commercial ==

https://twitter.com/gabriel_chee/status/1649702100635615234?t=o6Vopd0vHteSdwmlCT1KbA&s=19
The embedded vid in this tweet is one found whole looking around a store
[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 05:14, 22 April 2023 (EDT)

== Why do we have to over complicate such simple things? ==

Why are we listing ''Evolution'' package refreshes separately in the individual character articles? This is not a new concept. For other cases like and/or similar to this, we just make mention in the first (and only) write up what is different (if there is anything outside of the packaging), not just list it as a full-on separate toy. Functionally, it is the ''same'' toy, just new packaging. ''Evolution'' is just a subline, in the same vein as 07's ''AllSpark Power'' and ''Armada''{{'}}s ''The Unicron Battles'', not a new toyline. I have no problem listing the refreshes in this article, I'm just specifically talking about things like '''[[Megatron (BW)/toys#Legacy|this]]'''. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 02:42, 28 June 2023 (EDT)

Jahel Morga

2023-08-04T22:52:44Z

MrRald: No longer married

'''Jahel Morga''' (b. [[November 24]], [[1980]]) is a Mexican voice actress. Her voice roles include Kat in the 2013 ''Max Steel'' series and Night Glider in ''[[My Little Pony|My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic]]''.

==Voice Roles==
===''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]''===
*Additional Voices

===[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|''Transformers: Robots in Disguise'' (2015)]]===
*[[Windblade (RID)|Windblade]]

===''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]''===
*[[Windblade (Cyberverse)|Windblade]]

==Voice Direction==
*[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Transformers: Cyberverse]] (temporary for seasons 2 - 3)

==External Links==
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=76030 Anime News Network entry]
*[[wikia:doblaje:Jahel Morga|Doblaje Wiki entry]] ''(Spanish)''

{{DEFAULTSORT:Morga, Jahel}}
[[Category:Spanish voice actors]]
[[Category:Voice directors]]

Gerardo Alonso

2023-08-04T22:52:06Z

MrRald: No longer married

'''Gerardo Alonso''' (b. [[June 24]], [[1984]]) is a Mexican voice actor best known for being the voice of Raphael in the [[Michael Bay]]-Produced Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles films. Some of his Voice roles include Banana Joe on The Amazing World of Gumball, Officer Boxter on SheZow, Creepox on Power Rangers: Megaforce as well as a whole bunch of characters in the animated series ''El Chapulín Colorado''.

==Voice Roles==
===''Transformers: Prime''===
*[[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]]
===Transformers: Age Of Extinction===
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*Additional Voices
===Transformers: Robots In Disguise (2015)===
*[[Micronus Prime]]
*[[Scowl (RID)|Scowl]]
*[[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]]
*Additional Voices
===''Bumblebee''===
*[[Roy (BB)|Roy]]
==Voice Direction==
*[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Transformers: Cyberverse]] (Seasons 1 - 2)

==External Links==
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7201065/?ref_=fn_al_nm_2 IMDB entry]
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=118911 Anime News Network entry]
*[[wikia:doblaje:Gerardo Alonso|Doblaje Wiki entry]] ''(Spanish)''

{{DEFAULTSORT:Alonso, Gerardo}}
[[Category:Spanish voice actors]]
[[Category:Voice directors]]

File:StudioOxHumongousCityCommanders01.jpg

2023-07-26T23:20:37Z

MrRald: Unnecessary comment that's beyond dated

[[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] battles [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. Art by [[Shin Matsuo]] of [[Studio OX]].

{{hastak}}

Copyright [[TakaraTomy]] and [[TV Magazine]] 1986.

[[category:Generation 1 images]]
[[Category:Images by Shin Matsuo]]
[[category:Images by Studio OX]]

Wheeljack (Movie)

2023-06-11T21:36:28Z

MrRald:

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{{disambig3|Wheeljack}}
:''Wheeljack is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Movie continuity family]].''
[[File:HeatScramble wheeljack.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.95|Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity... and I'm not sure about the former.]]
An accomplished [[Autobot]] scientist and inventor, '''Wheeljack''' (aka '''Que''') will hook you up with some new weapon or gizmo that he just invented. There's no problem too big or too small that Wheeljack isn't willing to tackle, be it celestial mechanics or inventing potent new anti-Decepticon combat weapons. Because of this, he's a welcome addition to the [[NEST]] team, as staying on the cutting edge of technology is a priority for NEST.

That said, he's not much a fighter, and prefers to leave the violence to his combat partner [[Dino]]. With his wild hairstyle, glasses, and dapper [[Facial hair|moustache]], he resembles a certain famous [[Albert Einstein|scientist]] as well! To complete the German homage, he transforms into a {{W|Mercedes-Benz}} E550, although in his younger days he used to be a {{W|Volkswagen Type 2}} and speak with a Mexican [[accent]].

{{bigquote|They're great inventions for kicking ass!|Que on his latest killamajig|''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]''}}

==Fiction==
===Movies===
{{note|The six movies are the primary component of the live-action movie continuity family. Their events should be taken as canon for all other pieces of fiction listed below, unless otherwise specified.}}

====''Dark of the Moon'' film====
{{voiceactor|[[George Coe]] (English), [[Shinpachi Tsuji]] (Japanese)|[[Guillermo Coria]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Jaume Lleal]] (Castilian Spanish), [[Giorgio Lopez]] (Italian), [[Éric Legrand]] (European French), [[Péter Barbinek]] (Hungarian), [[Ayrton Cardoso]] (Brazilian Portuguese), [[Eberhard Prüter]] (German), [[Ender Yiğit]] (Turkish)}}
[[File:Dark-of-the-moon-que-robot-atnest.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.67|Good news, everyone! Tomorrow, you'll all be making a delivery to Ebola 9, the virus planet.]]
[[File:Dark-of-the-moon-que-carmode.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|"Is there any other protection I need?"<br>"Only from me, 007, unless you bring that car back in pristine order."]]
As a member of a NEST strike team, Que, in his vehicle form, posed as the [[Iran]]ian defense minister's vehicle to cross a checkpoint. Once he and the others reached an illegal nuclear facility, he, [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] and [[Dino]] investigated and destroyed it.

Later at NEST's new base of operations in Washington, D.C., Que provided weapons-specialist [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] with a weapons upgrade, supplying him with two powerful rifles, much to Ironhide's liking. When National Intelligence Director [[Charlotte Mearing]] arrived, he politely introduced himself and informed them about Optimus Prime's upset mood. Mearing thought this was the silent treatment but Que and Ironhide assured that this was not that, it was worse. He stood in the background with his fellow Autobots and observed Optimus berate the government officials for keeping the wreckage of the ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'' a secret from the Autobots.
[[File:DOTMQuegadget.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|"I'll hazard I can do more damage on my laptop sitting in my pajamas before my first cup of Earl Grey than you can do in a year in the field."]]
When the Autobots were ordered to be exiled from Earth by the government on [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime's]] demands, Que helped to prepare the Autobot ship, the ''[[Xantium (DOTM)|Xantium]]'' for launch alongside his fellow Autobots. However, after launch, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] attacked the ''Xantium'' and destroyed the ship, presumably killing Que and the other Autobots on board.

Secretly, the Autobots had suspected treachery, and hid inside one of their shuttle's booster rockets which had detached shortly before Starscream's attack. Que went alongside his comrades into the midst of the Decepticon-occupied [[Chicago]]. Before the Autobots went off to battle, Que provided [[Sam Witwicky]], [[Robert Epps]] and a team of soldiers with several new [[Grapple glove|anti-Decepticon]] [[Boomstick|weapons]] that he had constructed which would, as he put it, "kick ass."
[[File:DOTMQuegetsit.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|Good news, everyone! I've been shot - wait a minute, that's not good news at all!]]
Later on, when several Autobots were overwhelmed and captured, he was taken hostage alongside Bumblebee, Sideswipe, Dino and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]. At [[Dylan Gould]]'s prodding, [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] decided to make trophies of the prisoners, starting with Que. Que voiced his fears to Bumblebee just as [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] pushed him forward, telling him his "time was up". Despite Que's pleas for mercy, he was shot in the chest by a Decepticon [[protoform]]. He fell to his knees in pain, asking why they were doing this before Barricade shot him in the back, killing him. His body fell to the ground and his deactivated head rolled away from his broken body.

His death left Bumblebee distraught, mourning his lost friend, while Barricade added insult to injury by laughing at the fallen Autobot. Soundwave even pushed Bumblebee onto Que's dead body to torment him before his own execution. Bumblebee soon avenged his fallen friend by killing Soundwave. Que would also avenge his own death, in a way, as his Boomsticks were used to help take down his killer, Barricade. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
{{note|Wheeljack's involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the novel "[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (novel)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]"; the "[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon Movie Adaptation]]" and "[[Movie Trilogy]]" comics; and the storybooks "[[Autobots Versus Decepticons]]," "[[Optimus Prime's Friends and Foes]]" and "[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon Mix & Match]]."}}

====''Age of Extinction'' film====
Five years after the Battle of Chicago, Que was listed as "deceased" by the CIA taskforce, [[Cemetery Wind]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}}

====''Bumblebee'' film====
[[File:BumblebeeMovieWheeljack.jpeg|thumb|250px|You better take a good look while I'm in my prime because in about <s>20</s> 7 years, that will all change.]]
{{voiceactor|[[Steve Blum]] (English), [[Ryūnosuke Watanuki]] (Japanese)|[[Manuel Pérez]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}
{{note|''Bumblebee'' takes place before the other films (supposedly), but was released last. As such, it is placed at the bottom here.}}
Wheeljack was among the Autobots fending off a wave of Decepticon forces led by [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] and [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and was eventually ordered to retreat by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]. Tasked with finding other Autobots scattered throughout the galaxy and rendezvous on [[Earth]], they left Cybertron in various escape pods. {{storylink|Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee}}
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====''Rise of the Beasts'' film====
{{voiceactor|[[Cristo Fernández]] (English)|[[Benjamin Pascal]] (European French), [[Marc Winslow]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Renato Novara]] (Italian), [[Karim El Kammouchi]] (German), [[Wendel Bezerra]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}
Wheeljack joined the Autobot forces upon their arrival in [[Peru]] to assist with their search for the [[Transwarp Key]]. After a brief chat with their new human ally [[Noah Diaz]] establishing that, while he may have a Spanish accent, he did not speak Spanish, he explained the lie of the land to the group, including the Festival which would prevent the Autobots easily accessing the city. During Noah and [[Elena Wallace|Elena Wallace's]] search and subsequnt chase underground, he hid in the city with [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] taking cover inside his vehicle mode. When the [[Terrorcon (ROTB)|Terrorcons]] arrived in force to hunt down the humans, the pair tailed [[Battletrap (ROTB)|Battletrap]] up the mountain roads, Arcee exchanging fire while Wheeljack dodged missiles and wrecking balls thrown his way. When the fight ended with the forces separated, Wheeljack joined the other Autobots in trying to rescue their human allies from [[Optimus Primal (ROTB)|an unfamiliar robotic gorilla]]. Unfortunately for him, [[Rhinox (ROTB)|Rhinox]] bowled him over from behind. After [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and Primal made a truce, Wheeljack accompanied the united Autobot and [[Maximal]] group to the human village which held Primal's half of the Transwarp Key. The next day, he took part in the final battle to prevent [[Unicron]] being summoned to Earth, fighting off the horde of [[Freezer|Freezers]] and [[Scorponok (ROTB)|Scorponoks]] as a distraction for his allies to shut the machine down.
{{storylink|Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts}}
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===IDW movie comics===
[[File:Foundation1 wheeljack.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Yeah, but what you have done for us ''lately''?]]
Thousands of years ago on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Wheeljack was one of [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]]'s followers. He was a crucial figure in the culmination of Sentinel Prime's plan to save the dying planet: While Sentinel's other pupils held off an attack by the heretic [[Thetacon (tribe)|Thetacons]], Wheeljack's technical skills went to work creating a device that, once linked to the AllSpark, warped time and space, teleporting a sun into Cybertronian space. The sun's energy revitalized the [[AllSpark]], bringing life and energy back to Cybertron, and Wheeljack calmly remarked that, wouldn't you know it, it seemed they'd only gone and saved the world. {{storylink|Foundation issue 1|Foundation #1}} Soon after, Wheeljack stood by Sentinel Prime's side when he addressed the collective populace of the planet on [[Unification Day]], announcing the new direction for the revitalized Cybertron. The world was to be governed by a [[Science Division]] led by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]], and a [[Defense Force]] under [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s command; naturally, Wheeljack elected to join the former.{{storylink|Foundation issue 2|Foundation #2}}

Years later, Wheeljack was with Sentinel Prime and [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita-One]] at one of the division's archaeological digs when they came under attack from Megatron's forces, which he had rechristened "[[Decepticon]]s" with the intent of seizing control of the planet. Optimus—now Optimus ''Prime''—rallied those who opposed Megatron under him as the [[Autobot]]s, Wheeljack included. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}}

As the war worsened, Sentinel Prime presented the Autobots with a mysterious "torch" he had invented that would somehow end the war. An Autobot strike team under Optimus assault [[Simfur]] in order to activate the torch by bringing it into contact with the AllSpark, while Wheeljack stayed by Sentinel's side, awaiting its return and preparing to depart aboard the two great [[Ark (disambiguation)|Arks]] the Autobots had built. Elita-One soon arrived with the active torch, at which point Sentinel ordered a reluctant Wheeljack to take the first [[Ark (Movie)|Ark]] and collected the other Autobots from their base in [[Tyger Pax]], while Sentinel himself took the torch and went to pick up Optimus's team aboard his own [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]. Consequently, Sentinel's Ark and all aboard were apparently destroyed by the Decepticons upon arrival. Furious at the death of his mentor, Optimus Prime enacted a new plan: while he kept Megatron busy, Wheeljack took the rest of the Autobots and attacked Simfur again, overwhelming the weakened Decepticons there and capturing the AllSpark. The cube was removed from the machine Wheeljack had invented, which caused Cybertron's sun to disappear. {{storylink|Foundation issue 4|Foundation #4}}

[[File:RisingStorm4WheeljackeandMiragebodiesdestroyed.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.4|They will get better]]

Thousands of years later, Wheeljack joined Optimus Prime on Earth at some point after 2009. He and [[Dino|Mirage]] joined [[NEST]] and were assigned to a unit stationed in [[Washington, D.C.]]. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3}} This put them closest to the action when a huge Decepticon battalion attacked [[Sam Witwicky]]'s school in [[Philadelphia]], and they arrived just in time to help [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] fight off the villains. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 2|Rising Storm #2}} Wheeljack generated a powerful [[force field]] to shield Sam and other human bystanders as they ran from the battle, {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3|Rising Storm #3}} and the pair helped hold the line until Optimus Prime arrived with reinforcements. Observing that the Decepticons were attempting to flee, Prime ordered Wheeljack to extend his force field in order to keep them from escaping, but before the scientist could comply, the merciless [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] descended onto the battlefield and grievously damaged Wheeljack with a powerful blast. Luckily, Wheeljack remained just functional enough to complete his recalibration, trapping Shockwave inside his force field with a very unhappy Optimus Prime. After Prime defeated Shockwave, [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] examined Wheeljack's broken body and reported that he could be repaired, though he probably wouldn't be "quite the same". {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 4|Rising Storm #4}}

===Toy bios===
The Autobots' technology used to lag badly behind the Decepticons' until Wheeljack came along. His brilliant innovative mind helped the Autobots with getting their arsenal caught up with that of their enemies'. This was also helped by the few brave soldiers willing to volunteer for Wheeljack's extremely dangerous experiments. {{storylink|#Movie Advanced Series|''Movie Advanced Series'' Wheeljack}}

When he first learned about the laws of physics, Wheeljack took them as a challenge to his intelligence because laws were made to be broken. He dedicated his life to pushing the limits of science. More often than not, Wheeljack's inventions would fail spectacularly. But if (and when) they succeed, they can change the course of millions of lives. {{storylink|#Dark of the Moon|''Dark of the Moon'' Wheeljack}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Autobots'' video game===
Wheeljack upgraded [[Create-A-Bot (Autobot)|Create-A-Bot]] so that he could store the data of and, thus, adopt multiple vehicle forms. Wheeljack's body type appeared as several automobile forms, including the Beater, Sportster, Notchback, Import, Longhorn (Autobot Exclusive), Gunner (Autobots Exclusive), Stunt Car (Decepticons Exclusive), Lightning Rider, Tricked Out Car, Racer, Hot Rodder, Speedster, and Scout (Decepticons Exclusive). {{storylink|Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|Transformers: Autobots}}

===''Transformers: The Game'' (PSP)===
{{voiceactor|[[Erik Passoja]] (English)}}
[[File:Wheeljack movie psp.jpg|thumb|right|Before the 'stache.]]

Wheeljack arrived on [[Earth]] some time after [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and his team, apparently at the same time as [[Hoist (Movie)|Hoist]] and [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]]. At that time, the Autobots were coming under attack from an army of Decepticon drones, and Wheeljack was able to concoct a virus that would send the drones back into sleep mode. [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]] and [[Trailbreaker (Movie)|Trailbreaker]] were charged with transmitting the virus to an orbiting satellite, broadcasting it to all the drones simultaneously. Although they succeeded, Wheeljack was left with the unfortunate task of relaying to Optimus Prime that Hound had died in the process.

A little later, Wheeljack accompanied the Autobots on their mission to the [[Hoover Dam]], and was seen escaping the complex when the Decepticons attacked. {{storylink|Transformers The Game (PSP)|Transformers The Game (PSP)}}

===''Transformers: Dark of the Moon - The Game''===
{{voiceactor|[[Jamie Alcroft]] (English)|[[Bernard Métraux]] (French)}}

====Xbox 360/PS3====
Wheeljack aided his Autobot comrades from behind the scenes, arming them with newer, more potent weaponry almost as soon as he was done building them. Wheeljack also made a virus for the Autobots to hack the Decepticon transmissions. Later, he had NEST forces deliver one of these [[Heavy Iron 2.0|new weapons]] to Ironhide as the latter was battling the Decepticons in Detroit. The gun Wheeljack sent him enabled Ironhide to destroy Mixmaster's shields, leaving the Decepticon vulnerable.

Soundwave later infiltrated an old Sector Seven base that was evidently used as a workshop by Wheeljack to develop new MechTech weapons. Unfortunately, Soundwave managed to destroy the base and the MechTech with it, while what few weapons were already en route to Optimus Prime were intercepted by Starscream. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (Xbox 360/PS3)|Dark of the Moon (Xbox 360/PS3)}}

====Autobots/Decepticons====
Wheeljack warned [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] to be very careful fighting [[Crowbar]], as Crowbar had a reputation as a deadly fighter. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon: Autobots/Decepticons|Dark of the Moon: Autobots/Decepticons}}

==Toys==
===''Dark of the Moon''===
[[File:Dotm-Deluxe-Wheeljack-Toy.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves.]]
*'''Wheeljack''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2012)
**''TakaraTomy name'': '''Autobot Que'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number:'' '''DA31'''
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Tool Kit/Combat Saw, 2 power tools, spear

: ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' Wheeljack transforms from a blue [[Mercedes-Benz]] E550. He comes with a [[MechTech]] Tool Kit which turns into a spinning Circular Saw. His MechTech weapon is capable of standing alone as a portable workbench of sorts, is held/mounted with two different [[5 mm post|post]]s, and features a [[C joint]] bar between two of the front legs. He also features two different power tools, resembling a power drill and a nail/rivet gun, that clip to his upper waist, as well as a large spear that clips to his back. He features MechTech ports on his hands, arms, back/hood underside, and roof, although none of the clip-on weapons can be hidden in [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]], nor are there sufficient ports to mount them all. His [[stock photography]] depicts his saw blade as painted in gold, but is left unpainted in the final product.

: Wheeljack was to be released in the US in December, 2011, but his release was first moved to February, 2012, then ultimately announced by Hasbro to be cancelled during [[Toy Fair 2012]]. No explicit reasons were given, but a combination of factors including the push for a new cartoon-centric toyline and retailer disinterest can be cited. At [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2012, they stated they were trying to find ways to get those figures out in USA retailers, but it ultimately never came to pass.

:The Hasbro version of the figure, sporting the "Wheeljack" name, was released in Asian markets in May 2012, while Takara's release of the figure was rather surprisingly packaged under his in-movie name as "Autobot Que".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/DOTMWheeljack/wheeljack.htm More information on Wheeljack at TFU.info]''
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===''Movie Trilogy Series''===
[[File:MovieTrilogytoys-Wheeljack.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|"I went to a rejuvenation clinic and got a whole natural overhaul. They took out some wrinkles, did hair repair, changed the blood - added a good 30 to 40 years to my life. They also replaced my spleen and colon. What do you think?"]]
*'''Wheeljack''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2012)
**''Accessories:'' ?

: ''[[Movie Trilogy Series]]'' Wheeljack is a redeco of ''Dark of the Moon'' Deluxe Wheeljack, but using the mold's alternate head (previously seen in the first toy's [[instructions]]) and decoed in colors closer to Generation 1 Wheeljack.
{{canceledtoy}}
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===''Movie Advanced Series''===
[[File:TF-Movie-Advanced-EX-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"The way I see it, if you're going to build a time machine into a car, why not do it with some style?"]]
*'''Wheeljack''' (Deluxe Class, [[August 8]], [[2014]])
**''ID Number:'' '''ADEX'''

: An AEON shop exclusive, ''[[Movie Advanced Series]]'' Wheeljack is a redeco of ''Dark of the Moon'' Deluxe Wheeljack, but using the mold's alternate head (previously seen in the first toy's [[instructions]] and which was to be used in the canceled ''Movie Trilogy Series'' figure above) and decoed in colors closer to Generation 1 Wheeljack, moreso than the ''Movie Trilogy Series'' Wheeljack was to have been. Like the [[Soundwave (ROTF)#Movie Advanced Series|Darkside Soundwave]] figure, Wheeljack comes with no weapons or accessories.
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===''Studio Series''===
[[File:Studio-Series-Deluxe-Class-Bumblebee-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|My head's no longer the Matrix anymore! Huzzah, I say!]]
*'''Wheeljack''' (Deluxe Class, [[2022]])
**''Movie'': '''''Bumblebee'''''
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''81'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SS-84'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': [[June 25]], 2022
**''Accessories'': Blaster, "Cybertron Falls" backdrop (2nd version)
{{toydesigner|[[Sam Smith]] (Hasbro), [[Yūya Ōnishi]] (TakaraTomy)| [[Emiliano Santalucia]] (concept artist)}}<ref>Sam Smith's [https://www.instagram.com/p/CbWbHWrMoY7/ Instagram post] for ''Studio Series'' Wheeljack</ref>

:''[[Studio Series]]'' Wheeljack is based on his appearance in the [[Bumblebee (film)|''Bumblebee'' movie]] and turns into a Cybertronian car. As with the majority of Bumblebee's Cybertronian characters, his alternate mode was created by Hasbro and TakaraTomy for the toy as the film model was not designed to transform. He comes with the blaster that he utilized in the Cybertron battle scene, which can store on his back and on top of the vehicle mode. The slot used for vehicle mode can also be used in robot mode to give Wheeljack an arm-mounted blaster.

:There have been a few notable [[quality control]] issues on some copies of this figure. The front windshield doesn't always tab in properly, leaving a small gap in the front of the car. In robot mode, his shoulders may have a tendency to detach from the torso when handling. The ball joints on his feet can be extremely tight, to the point it doesn't feel like they can move. Also, as the feet are completely painted over, paint-chipping may occur, especially since they rub against other parts during transformation.

:Like other ''Studio Series'' toys, the interior of the package forms a display backdrop, this backdrop being a war-torn Cybertron as it appears in the beginning of the film.
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===''Buzzworthy Bumblebee''===
[[File:ROTB-Buzzworthy-Bumblebee-Deluxe-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|What's that? One of those 'Led Zeppelins' I've heard so much about?]]
*'''Jungle Mission 3-pack: Cheetor, Nightbird, and Wheeljack''' (Multipack, [[2023]])
**''Accessories'': Blaster

: Released in a Target-exclusive ''[[Buzzworthy Bumblebee]]'' Jungle Mission 3-pack, Wheeljack is a Deluxe Class figure based on his appearance in ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts]]''. He transforms from a bespectacled robot into an unlicensed approximation of a Volkswagen Minibus with "TV Pablo" livery on the side. He includes a blaster that he can hold, or store on the roof of his vehicle mode.

:Wheeljack comes packaged with [[Cheetor (ROTB)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Cheetor]] and [[Nightbird (ROTB)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Nightbird]].

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===''Rise of the Beasts''===
[[File:TF-ROTB-Deluxe-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Ehrm.. Ackshually..'']]
*'''Wheeljack''' (Deluxe Class, 2023)
**''Accessories'': Blaster

:The Wheeljack from the ''Buzzworthy Bumblebee'' Jungle Mission 3-pack was also available individually at general retail under ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (toyline)|Rise of the Beasts]]'' packaging.

:He was first sighted at Australian retail, before any of his wave mates.
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====Beast Alliance====
[[File:TF-ROTB-Beast-Alliance-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Stop hitting my child in the head with a lead pipe!"]]
*'''Wheeljack & Rhinox''' (Beast Weaponizer, 2023)
{{toydesigner|[[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:Beast Weaponizer Wheeljack is a simplified toy that converts from a robot to an unlicensed approximation of a Volkswagen Minibus in 11 steps. He comes with a redecoed [[Rhinox (ROTB)#BeastWeaponizer|Beast Battle Master Rhinox]], who transforms into a minigun for Wheeljack to wield.

:Like much of this toyline, this set was found at retail before any official announcement, this time in Canada.
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==Notes==
[[File:Dark-of-the-moon-que-face-closeup.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.67|GREAT SCOTT!! But not such a great Scottish accent.]]
[[File:Dark-of-the-moon-que-robot-back.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.67|My God... Do you know what this means?! It means this damn ''thing'' doesn't work at all!]]
* Wheeljack's onscreen name "Que" is a nod to the famous ''{{w|James Bond}}'' character {{w|Q (James Bond)|Q}}, who similarly provided his allies with equipment and gadgets. Furthermore, Que's scene in the Chicago battle, where he provides the NEST soldiers with a variety of weapons while stating their various features and functions, is lifted almost wholesale from many ''Bond'' movies. Rather interestingly though, he is listed in the credits as Que/Wheeljack, implying "Que" may just be a nickname.
* An early working name for him was '''Steeljaw''', and his head was considered to be based on {{w|Christopher Lloyd}}'s [[Doc Brown]] from the ''[[Back to the Future]]'' movies rather than Einstein. He was also going to have a 'labcoat', formed from his [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] canvas roof.<ref name="wburt">[http://conceptartworld.com/?p=8388 Wesley Burt DOTM concepts.]</ref> Some trace of this design remains, briefly visible in the film as Prime is saying goodbye to Sam, in the form of a sort of waistcoat or carpenter's tool belt on his waist. That, of course, is in addition to the assortment of gadgets, tools, ammo and weapons attached to his waist, strapped across his chest, and hanging off his back.
* Numerous adaptations of Dark of the Moon (such as the [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon Movie Adaptation|comic adaptation]] and [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon: The Junior Novel|junior novelization]]) illustrated that during the Autobot capture in Chicago, it was Dino/Mirage who was executed by Soundwave. However this was changed in the movie to Que/Wheeljack being killed instead while Dino/Mirage survived the battle.
** The [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (novel)|novelization]] of the film also included a different death for the character in which he was run off the Chicago streets and into a river by the [[Driller]], where he was torn apart by Decepticon soldiers lying in wait for him.
[[File:BB-Wheeljack-model.jpg|thumb|Now, like his [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|G1 namesake's toy]], we know that there's something under that [[mouthplate|thing]].]]
* The Mercedes-Benz E550 prop car used for ''Dark of the Moon'' sported a German/European Union [[license plate]], "'''M IC3802'''", registered in the city of Munich, on the Chicago set.<ref name="chicago">[http://www.seibertron.com/live-action-films/gallery.php?id=133&size=0&start=50 Dark of the Moon Chicago set] at Seibertron.com.</ref> (The design of the plate is slightly inaccurate, as there should be a space between "IC" and "3802" if it were a real German plate. Also, a German car would have a license plate on the front as well.)
* Good luck trying to figure out his accent, by the way, as he oscillates between an impenetrably garbled half-Scottish, half-Irish muddle and English "Received Pronunciation" all the way through the film, at times in the same sentence. What we can tell you he's ''not'' speaking with, though, is a German accent, which a disturbing number of American fans seems to have concluded based simply on the fact he looks like Einstein.
*Wheeljack's Cybertronian design in ''Bumblebee'' is heavily inspired by his Generation 1 [[Wheeljack (G1)|namesake]].
** Wheeljack's CGI render from the "Bee-Vision" extras (see right) and some concept art<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/05/19/bumblebee-movie-concept-art-round-up-9-cybertronian-robots-time-388425 TFW2005 archive] of ''Bumblebee'' concept art from Stephen Zavala</ref> depict him with a white head, while in the film his head is mostly gray with white streaks.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Que''' (キュー ''Kyū''), '''Wheeljack''' (ホイルジャック ''Hoirujakku'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Qiānjīndǐng''' (China, 千斤顶, "Wheeljack" or "Hoisting Jack")

==See also==
{{OtherVersions
|charname=Wheeljack
|disambig=Wheeljack (disambiguation)
|body=
*[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], the crackpot Autobot scientist from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]], the kung-fu-fighting Autobot from the [[Unicron Trilogy]].
*[[Wheeljack (Animated)|Wheeljack]], the Autobot [[Ministry of Science]] member from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]].''
*[[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]], the sword-wielding [[Wreckers|Wrecker]] from the [[Aligned continuity family]].
*[[Wheeljack (Cyberverse)|Wheeljack]], the goateed Autobot inventor from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]''.}}

==References==
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[[Category:Age of Extinction Autobots]]
[[Category:Bumblebee Autobots]]
[[Category:Dark of the Moon Autobots]]
[[Category:Hall of Fame characters]]
[[Category:Movie Autobots]]
[[Category:NEST]]
[[Category:Rise of the Beasts Autobots]]
[[Category:Scientists]]

Talk:Studio Series

2023-04-15T20:49:02Z

MrRald:

==New category==
I am creating a new category called Category:Generation Studio Series toy images. If you have any objections, please state why. Cheers. [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 11:31, 7 April 2018 (EDT)
:The category is created, as no one objected, in these 3 days. When uploading images, please use the category stated above. [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:12, 9 April 2018 (EDT)

==Drift leaked==
Drift was revealed, and other leaked figures too. For the drift one, it's legit because it has an image, but the others, hightower and Cogman were leaked with no images. Should we add them? [[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:33, 19 October 2018 (EDT)
:Definitely don’t add anything from unofficial leaks -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 13:44, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

== Multipacks ==

Both are "exclusives" one way or another. The Bumblebee 2-pack is more straightforward; it's offically a Traget exclusive in the US (and a Kmart exclusive in Australia), while the Bumblebee/Charlie set is a canceled Toys"R"Us exclusive (for obvious reasons, though it ''is'' still a TRU exclusive in Canada) that's now some sort of "shared online exclusive" (even though one shipment somehow made it to a single Target store despite the set not even being in Target's system). Anybody got an idea how to handle this?

On top of that, those alleged "Entertainment Earth exclusives" are also available from competitors Big Bad Toy Store, TFScource, Toywiz and even friggin' Diamond Comic Distributors.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 14:57, 25 November 2018 (EST)

==bb prime==
There’s a bumblebee voyager Optimus on the way, Should we add it? {{unsigned|YourBestPal}}
:No. The Optimus toy has only been seen in leaked images and isn't officially announced yet. Per our [[Help:Official info|guidelines]], we don't add information until it's been officially released. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:08, 20 December 2018 (EST)
::The only exception we add something if it isn't officially revealed, is if it starts poppin' up in many brick-and-mortar stores. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:42, 20 December 2018 (EST)
Uhh, just found one at my local Walmart.[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 16:28, 3 February 2019 (EST)
:If it is out, then it is OK to be added. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:37, 3 February 2019 (EST)
:Just realized, my bad, I created the optimus before it was confirmed when Tonton put out the box photos. --[[User:MrRoboto\Roboto]] ([[User talk:MrRoboto|talk]]) 20:22, 13 February 2019 (Cntr)

== Wut ==

Why do the all "not released yet" boxes say "unreleased" under them? If it means that they will not be released, why in the freaking world is there not a "toy cancelled" box instead?!--[[User:Delibirda|Delibirda]] ([[User talk:Delibirda|talk]]) 04:12, 2 December 2019 (EST)
:"Unreleased" as in "unreleased at this time". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 05:12, 2 December 2019 (EST)
:... I'd think the context would be obvious. Canceled toys are explicitly labeled as such. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:57, 2 December 2019 (EST)

== New studio series ==

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Cliffjumper
Soundwave ROTF
Leadfoot

Update the wiki!

== Studio Series 86 ==

I know that usually, we wait for official reveals since blurry photos of leaks aren't super reliable. But Kup, Scourge, and Hot Rod have been REVIEWED on YouTube. Is this a special case? What’s the verdict? Just wait? - [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 15:39, 1 October 2020 (EDT)
:I believe we wait until Hasbro makes an announcement. [[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 15:47, 1 October 2020 (EDT)
:It is not a special case at all. Reviews of leaked, un-announced toys have happened in the past, long before YouTube was a thing. We stick with only what's been officially revealed or released. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:51, 2 October 2020 (EDT)

== #69 Devastator giftset ==

So do we add that one or not? Supposedly it has been officially released in Thailand.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 20:47, 7 October 2020 (EDT)
:Add Singapore and Hong Kong to that list. [https://www.toysrus.com.sg/transformers-studio-series-devastator-pack-1064716.html] [https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/singapore-transformers-sightings.155093/page-995#post-18412699] [https://www.eptoy.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1955]--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 17:01, 14 October 2020 (EDT)

== SS Toy bios considered canon with the films? ==

I'm not 100% sure on where this question/discussion could be made. I had a question on whether the ''Studio Series'' toy bios can be considered canon with the films? I know it seems farfetched and a bit of a dumb question to ask. But Skipjack's toy bio suggests that Hasbro has possibly retconned him as Devastator's left leg instead of Rampage as Rampage's toy bio makes no idication that he is a component of Devastator. Further, Skipjack was released in the gift set. I've tried to see if there is any confirmation from Hasbro anywhere if this is an official retcon - I haven't found anything anywhere - but a lot of fans have taken to the idea that the Skipjack toy is a retcon.

Now the next one is a huge stretch, but does the inclusion of Steeljaw with Leadfoot mean that he is officially in-universe with the films despite never showing up in the film. He's not included in the bio, but his inclusion with the Leadfoot toy kinda suggests it since all the other pack-in non-transformable figurines are characters from the films (Brains, Wheelie, Laserbeak, Mini Dinobots and Igor). If that is also the case, does that mean that Thundercracker has technically been retconned into DOTM despite never appearing in the film too?

I don't know, I wanna know what you guys think and if any of these changes should be made anywhere else? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 21:25, 26 October 2020 (EDT)
:'''EDIT:''' I Found this article on Hasbro Pulse [https://hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/behindthedesign-transformers-devastator] - "In the movie, Skipjack and Rampage both have the same build or form but are colored differently, Skipjack being yellow and Rampage being orange." Does this statement confirm that Skipjack is actually the yellow bulldozer that forms Devastator's leg? It was stated by a Hasbro employee so can we make it official on the wiki? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 21:41, 26 October 2020 (EDT)

::In Thundercracker's case, his article already includes his Studio Series bio under the "Toy Bios" section and that's the best we can do about it. We can't go ahead and declare that he ''is'' in the movie when he pretty clearly ''isn't''. The Studio Series line also includes toys like [[Dairu]] and [[Uruaz]] and I don't think anybody will try to argue that they appeared anywhere in the movies. Now, about Skipjack, I do agree that it's possibly a retcon, but I'm not sure what the wiki should do either. Maybe the "Who is Skipjack?" section you added to his article is the best we can do until something more official comes along.--[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 03:12, 27 October 2020 (EDT)
:::I had a feeling that Thundercracker and Steeljaw's relevance on this topic would be a bit of a stretch as I stated before. But I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way on the whole Skipjack VS Rampage topic. I've spent just about my entire day trying to find information on it to make it more worth the discussion lol. I just wanted to run it past everyone else and put it out there as I'm not sure on what can be considered a retcon and who can be considered relevant enough as a reliable source to retcon something into official fiction. {{unsigned|Fanofcoolstuff27}}

No, the bios are not canon with the films. They're indicative of what Hasbro interprets on the film, and certainly they influence how we categorize certain characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:22, 27 October 2020 (EDT)

== SS74 ==

So, ROTF BB waas revealed today, and he's #74 and part of Buzzworthy Bumblebee. What size class is he though? --[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 20:37, 17 December 2020 (EST)

== DOTM Soundwave ==

Do we know if DOTM Soundwave from the wave 8 Deluxes was repacked in the wave 9 case? The reason I ask is because the entirety of wave 8 was skipped here in New Zealand (not uncommon, since wave 5 Deluxes and Voyagers, wave 12 Voyagers and wave 3 Leaders were also among those skipped), yet, I managed to snag Soundwave alongside the wave 9 Deluxes back in 2020. I know we don't list repacks in this article, but we sometimes do in the individual articles. I just wondered if anyone may know for sure whether that was the case or not? I also noticed that ROTF Scavenger was missing from the wave 4 Leaders whenever DOTM Shockwave came out here in 2020, but then he miraculously appeared in mid-2021 when ROTF Overload appeared on store shelves.

If anyone knows if these are repack cases, let me know, because I just thought it might be useful information for someone who cares. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 23:45, 22 January 2022 (EST)

==Terrorcon Faction symbols==

I noticed right where it lists the names of the Terrorcons, they have Decepticon logos instead of Terrorcon logos; Do we plan on changing those or will we wait until the movie comes out? [[User:UTube Convoy|UTube Convoy]] ([[User talk:UTube Convoy|talk]]) 23:01, 4 February 2023 (PT)

I'm VERY new here and not entirely certain, but I think since the Maximals DO all have the correct insignia, yes, the Terrorcons should have theirs as well. I assume it was a holdover from when we didn't have a logo and Decepticon logos were used as a placeholder. (That might not be what happened. Don't know for sure.) The upshot is, yes, they probably should have correct logos. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 11:18, 9 February 2023 (EST)

May want to get a more experienced editor/admin/someone to weigh in, though. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 12:26, 9 February 2023 (EST)
:So funny story we actually got the new bullet point graphic hooked up while y'all were talking about it. The Decepticon logos were indeed placeholders. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:52, 9 February 2023 (EST)

...wow, I was right. Neat. Nice to see that matter is settled! [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 18:11, 9 February 2023 (EST)

==Splitting by year==

I believe that after 5 years and many waves, Studio Series warrants having its toy listings separated by year, the same way we treat the 1984 toyline and Beast Wars.
The introduction of core class in the last year already throws the chronological order of releases out of wack. Not to mention having these toys all lumped together with no filtering makes it harder for users to know when they came out at first glance. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 16:49, 15 April 2023 (EDT)

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The cover of EP record "[[Transformer (song)|TRANSFORMER]]" / "[[Peace Again]]".

© [[1985]] [[TakaraTomy]], [[Victor Entertainment]]

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Prowl (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity

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'''Prowl'''. The prick on TV who little children in the 1980s learned manners from.

==''The Transformers'' cartoon==
{{voiceactor|[[Michael Bell]] (English), [[Toshio Ishii]] (Japanese), [[Keiichi Nanba]] (Japanese, "Autobot Spike")|[[Xu Weihong]] (Chinese), [[Juan Carralero]] (American Spanish), [[Ulf Jürgen Söhmisch]] (German), [[Thomas Albus]] (German, ''Generation 2'' Season 1), [[Christoph Jablonka]] (German, ''Generation 2'', "Triple Takeover", "The Revenge of Bruticus", and "Transport to Oblivion"), [[Willy Schäfer]] (German, ''Generation 2'', "Roll For It"), [[Dario de Castro]] (Portuguese), [[Ayrton Cardoso]] (Portuguese, "Enter the Nightbird"), [[Garcia Neto]] (Portuguese, "The Core"), [[Júlio César]] (Portuguese, "Triple Takeover"), [[Márcio Araújo]] (Portuguese, DVD dub), [[Gunnar Ernblad]] (Swedish), [[Henry Djanik]] (European French), [[Francis Lax]] (European French, "Autobot Spike"), [[Georges Atlas]] (European French, "The Revenge of Bruticus")}}

[[File:MTMTE1-JazzProwlPrimeTrailbreaker.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4]]
Prowl was part of the crew of the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'', the Autobot starship that left Cybertron looking for alternate sources of energy. While enroute he monitored the [[Viewtrex]] and detected the Decepticons pursuing them. The Decepticons boarded and the ensuing conflict caused the Ark to crashland on [[Earth]]. Four million years later, the Transformers were reawakened by the eruption of the volcano the Ark had crashed in and reformatted by [[Teletraan I]]. Prowl was reformatted as a Datsun 280Z police car. When the Autobots first fought the Decepticons on Earth, aboard an oceanic oil refinery, Prowl teamed with [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] in shooting up the Decepticons' supply of [[energon cube]]s. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 1}}

The two Autobots worked together again when [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] invaded the Ark for information. The crafty Decepticon got away, but Prowl and Jazz managed to capture his pet, [[Ravage (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ravage]], in a solid energy net. Prowl joined the Autobots for their subsequent battles at [[Sherman Dam]] and the [[ruby crystal mines of Burma]]. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 2}} During the final fight at the Decepticon space cruiser, Prowl ran over [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]]'s [[null-ray]] before he could "activate" it. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 3}}

Prowl and the Autobots next battled the Decepticons at a solar power station. Prowl and [[Ratchet (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ratchet]] attempted to stop Starscream and [[Skywarp (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Skywarp]] from escaping with the energon cubes, but Starscream started launching concussive blasts, knocking aside their lasers and driving them back. Later that day, Prowl zapped [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] during a cave fight, but was then clubbed from behind by Skywarp. That's snow fair. {{storylink|Transport to Oblivion (episode)|Transport to Oblivion}}

[[File:G1 Prowl Bluestreak Rollforit.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It's like looking into a mirror... well, not really.]]
While Prowl and [[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]] battled the Decepticons, Prowl's [[battle computer]] was knocked offline by a particularly fierce blow. Crippled, Prowl extended his antenna to seek out an online computer that he could patch into. He found [[Chip Chase]]'s desktop terminal, and the young human ally momentarily took control of Prowl, animating the Autobot warrior with his computer. Chip and Prowl handily defeated the Decepticons, and the Autobot remarked that Chip was a human after his own central processor. {{storylink|Roll for It}} After [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] suffered some brief but severe injuries, Prowl was present with the other Autobots in defending the Ark, as the Decepticons attempted to press their advantage. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer}}

Prowl was also among the Autobots who took an unpleasant number of hits trying to calm down the rampaging [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. {{storylink|S.O.S. Dinobots}} He held no grudges, though, and participated in the construction of two new Dinobots a few months later, using laser bursts to cut up raw materials for the design. Still, he showed a bit more caution than his fellow Autobots during the "play fighting" tests of [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] and [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]]. While [[Ironhide (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ironhide]], Bluestreak and [[Sideswipe (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Sideswipe]] went in for close quarters combat with the Dinos (and subsequently got bashed around quite a bit), Prowl stuck to long-range laser fire, and managed to avoid getting his head handed to him. {{storylink|War of the Dinobots}}

After [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] was kidnapped, Prowl was shown acting as a strategist for once, constructing battle-plans using [[Hound (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hound]]'s holographic maps for reference. He coordinated a two-pronged rescue mission on the Decepticon's sunken space cruiser, from above and below. While he and the main Autobot force dropped in on the Decepticons from above and drew their fire, [[Cliffjumper (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cliffjumper]], [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]], and [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] used their special abilities to tunnel right underneath the base, breaking in and freeing Sparkplug before the Decepticons got wind of it. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 1}} He remained active with the Autobot forces as they dealt with Cybertron's newfound proximity to Earth. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 2}} Prowl later surfed into battle against the Decepticons, but the resulting tidal wave allowed Megatron to escape before the fight even started. A small contingent of Autobots eventually tracked the Decepticon energon shuttle to a tropical coast, and engaged them in battle. The fully charged Decepticons soon began to overpower the Autobots, however, driving them back to the safety of some convenient trenches. Prowl attempted to suggest a strategic regrouping, but Prime wouldn't hear of it. Luckily, [[Jetfire (G1)|Skyfire]] arrived with reinforcements from Cybertron to even the odds. As Megatron retreated, the Autobots were left to deal with a tidal wave large enough to wipe out all life on Earth. Prowl calculated they would need an explosion equivalent to 10 billion astro-liters of energy to knock Cybertron out of Earth's orbit and reverse the tidal wave. At [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Spike]]'s suggestion, the Autobots took aim at Megatron's fleeing starship, igniting the energon cubes inside to expel Cybertron from orbit and save the Earth. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 3}} After the devastation, Prowl was seen helping repair human civilization, and hunting down the loose ends left by the Decepticons' schemes. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (episode)|Countdown to Extinction}} Prowl also bore witness to the gladiatorial combat between Megatron and Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Heavy Metal War}}

[[File:AttackoftheAutobots-Prowlcar.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66]]
After Sparkplug Witwicky created a metallic Frankenstein called [[Autobot X (G1)|Autobot X]], to the abject surprise of no one it suddenly ran amok. Prowl, Ironhide and [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] stood up to the crazed creation, and Prowl used his [[acid pellet]]s to incapacitate Autobot X. Later that day, Spike Witwicky was injured during a battle with the Decepticons at a rocket base. Prowl provided a "police escort" for Ratchet to get Spike to a hospital as quickly as possible. {{storylink|Autobot Spike}} As the Decepticons staged a daring raid at the Ark's front door, Prowl drove out to meet them in combat. He had to dodge and transform in mid-air to avoid [[Thundercracker (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Thundercracker]]'s missiles, and ended up being divebombed by [[Laserbeak (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Laserbeak]] anyhow. Prowl got back at the tinfoil turkey by strapping a wire-guided bola onto his rifle, and lassoing the Decepticon bird as he swooped by for another pass. Despite the laser blasts hurled his way, Prowl held tight to his catch until Laserbeak severed the rope and fled. When he went back to recharge at headquarters, a ploy by Megatron altered his personality components and he went on an angry red-eyed rampage with the rest of the altered Autobots until their circumstances were overturned. {{storylink|Attack of the Autobots (episode)|Attack of the Autobots}}

Prowl overheard Cliffjumper's infamous accusations about [[Mirage (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Mirage]]'s loyalty, but neglected to participate in the retrieval of the missing [[electro-cell]]s. {{storylink|Traitor (episode)|Traitor}} He also played a minor role in recovering the [[Wheeljack Instant Immobilizer|Immobilizer]], {{storylink|The Immobilizer}} and joined his fellow Autobots in a race for charity, which Spike and Chip had arranged for them. {{storylink|The Autobot Run}} Prowl was part of the Autobot strike unit dispatched to [[Washington, D.C.]] when it came under attack by the Decepticons and [[Sub-Atlantica]]ns. He, Hound and Brawn engaged the Decepticons near the Washington Monument, until King [[Nergill]] zapped them with his paralyzing ray. Prowl remained inactive until the Dinobots joined the party, and [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] destroyed the ray, freeing the incapacitated Autobots. {{storylink|Atlantis, Arise!}}

[[File:EntertheNightbird-JazzProwl.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
Next, the Autobots responded to an SOS when the super-computer called [[TORQ III]] ran amok. Unfortunately, they discovered TORQ was capable of controlling other simple machines in the area, and so Prowl and the others found themselves facing a horde of angry droids. Prowl was nearly swallowed whole by a mechanical scoop, until he fired an acid pellet down its gullet and corroded its inner workings. {{storylink|Day of the Machines}} Prowl was among the Autobots who failed to prevent the Decepticons from stealing the female ninja robot called [[Nightbird (G1)|Nightbird]]. While discussing the Decepticons' possible plans for Nightbird with Spike, Prowl was unaware the ninja herself was right above them on the Ark's elevator. {{storylink|Enter the Nightbird}}

Prowl charged the Decepticon flank when the Transformers were fighting over [[korlonium crystal]]s. {{storylink|A Prime Problem}} Prowl and [[Sunstreaker (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Sunstreaker]] were part of a group of Autobots patrolling a riverbed...until they discovered the riverbed wasn't there anymore. Tracing the diverted water, they came across the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] and a Decepticon scheme to drill down to [[Earth's core]]. Megatron sicced Devastator on Prowl's team, forcing them to retreat for reinforcements. Back at the Ark, the Autobots cooked up a plot to use [[dominator disk]]s and gain control over the Constructicons whenever they formed Devastator. As part of a commando raiding party, Prowl and the others lured the Constructicons out into the open. Under the cover of night, Prowl slipped a disk on [[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]], and soon all the Constructicons had disks planted on them. Although the Autobots temporarily gained control of Devastator, Megatron soon negated their control and retrieved his giant warrior. {{storylink|The Core}}

[[File:DinobotIsland Pt2 Prowlacidpellets.jpg|left|thumb|Prowl demonstrates his revolutionary "wee-wee gun".]]
Prowl was present in the Ark during yet another display of the Dinobots' talent for chaos. {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 1}} After the Dinobots moved to a mysterious prehistoric island, time portals began opening all over North America. Prowl led [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]], [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] and Jazz to deal with a portal from the wild west. Prowl defeated the cattle rustlers by melting their guns with his acid pellets. {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 2}} Like all the Autobots, Prowl was temporarily banished into space by the citizens of [[Central City (Earth)|Central City]], thanks to Megatron's carefully orchestrated smear campaign. {{storylink|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1}} He eventually returned with the others for an all-out assault on the Decepticons and re-established the Autobots' good name. {{storylink|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 2}} Prowl was also subject to [[cybertonium]] depletion, although he was ultimately revived when Spike and [[Carly]] brought a fresh supply back from Cybertron. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 2}}

When Megatron used the [[Voltronic Galaxer]] to scramble Earth's communications, the humans were left in a state of confusion. Prowl took a team of Autobots on the road to help motorists who missed the message about an incoming blizzard. Unfortunately, Thundercracker and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] got involved and nearly turned the rescue mission into a catastrophe. Prowl and the Autobots were buried in snow for a time until they could dig themselves and the humans out. {{storylink|Blaster Blues}} He was among the Autobots temporarily rendered invulnerable by [[electrum]], and fought the Decepticons for control of the golden lagoon. {{storylink|The Golden Lagoon (episode)|The Golden Lagoon}} He also helped stop Megatron from taking over New York City with an army of robot car drones. {{storylink|Make Tracks}} Prowl was on hand as [[Perceptor (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Perceptor]] analyzed the robotic plant life Bumblebee and [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] brought back to Earth. They determined the plants were [[Morphobot]]s, and extremely hazardous to all robot lifeforms. {{storylink|Quest for Survival}}

[[File:Tripletakeoverautobotthrone.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|"...artistic."]]
When the [[Triple Changer]]s overthrew Megatron and began vying for Decepticon command themselves, [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] took over a football stadium and began launching "long bombs" into the city beyond. Optimus Prime sent Prowl to investigate, alongside Bluestreak, [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] and [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]], but they were stymied by Blitzwing's "zone defense". At his command, the Constructicons had created an elaborate and confusing maze of passages outside the stadium, leaving the Autobots racing around blindly inside its tight corridors. Using his flight and tank modes for maneuverability and power, Blitzwing easily overwhelmed the Autobot invaders. Prowl and Skids plowed into each other on a blind junction, and were then mowed over by the Decepticon's massive treads. The crazed Scrapper had them rebuilt into a throne for him inside the zone, until [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] and [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] rescued their comrades. {{storylink|Triple Takeover}} Although he did absolutely nothing to save the missing Autobots or stop [[Chumley|Lord Chumley]]'s antics, Prowl was allowed a heroic drive into the sunset along with Optimus Prime and the rest of the Autobots. {{storylink|Prime Target (episode)|Prime Target}}

After the government concocted a new super-fuel, they decided to offer it to the Autobots for testing. Fearing a Decepticon attack, Prowl arranged a series of security measures to protect the cargo, and keep the Decepticons from learning about the fuel. Unfortunately, those measures failed, and Megatron attacked the tanker convoy with his Seekers. Despite the breach, the Autobots' superior driving abilities enabled them to outmaneuver the Decepticons. {{storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1}}

Prowl stood gawking mutely when Prime explained his plan to infiltrate the Decepticons disguised as [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] and the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]]. It's possible he didn't think the plan was strategically sound. {{storylink|Masquerade}} Prowl was also seen applying [[Corrostop]] to the [[Statue of Liberty]], and later helped rescue Perceptor from [[Fox Creek Canyon]]. {{storylink|Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust}}

[[File:TFTM Prowl dies.jpg|thumb|Scavenger can always be proud of this.]]
[[File:RevengeOfBruticus TracksSideswipeProwl.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|The vanity-king, the jock, and the prick.]]
When Jazz and Cliffjumper were kidnapped by Starscream's [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]], Prowl traveled to the Amalgamated Water & Power Plant with the other Autobots to rescue them. Wisely, the Autobots completely avoided the war between the Decepticons and Combaticons taking place immediately to their left — they just grabbed their pals and split. {{storylink|Starscream's Brigade}} Prowl, Tracks, and Sideswipe went with Optimus Prime to clear the Insecticons out of a human settlement. They were aided in evacuating the neighborhood by the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], leaving the Autobots clear to fire at will at the Insecticon clones. This relatively routine mission turned sour, however, when Spike and Perceptor reported that Earth's orbit had been altered, sending it towards the sun. Learning the effect originated from Cybertron, Prowl and the others attempted to hijack the space bridge, but [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] stole the bridge's control panel before they could board the transporter. The Autobots searched the area for signs of the control panel with sensor beams from their chests, but all Prowl managed to turn up was an old wrecked television. The panel was later recovered and repaired, and Prowl joined both Autobots and Decepticons alike in traveling to Cybertron to stop the Combaticons' plot. {{storylink|The Revenge of Bruticus}} Prowl also helped defend the Ark when it was later attacked by [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] and the Decepticons. {{storylink|B.O.T. (episode)|B.O.T.}}

In the year [[2005]], Prowl was piloting a shuttle run to Earth, to collect and bring fresh energon and supplies to [[Moonbase One]] from [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]], in preparation for a planned assault to retake Cybertron. The Autobot shuttle was hijacked en route by Megatron, Starscream and the Constructicons, who sought to use the vessel to sneak the Decepticon armada past Autobot City's early warning systems. After Brawn was struck down, Prowl fired back at his attackers, very nearly shooting Starscream's head off in the process, but was felled by a single blast from [[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]], which penetrated his armor, burned his innards horribly, and left him belching fiery smoke as he fell to the floor. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}
{{note|Prowl’s involvement in these events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the comic mini-series "[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]]" and the storybook "[[Transformers the Movie (Ladybird adaptation)|Transformers the Movie]]."}}
Prowl's body was evidently recovered for interment, as his grave was housed in the interstellar [[Autobot Mausoleum]]. Along with the mausoleum itself, Prowl's remains were later plunged into a red sun as a side-effect of a [[Quintesson]] plot. {{storylink|Dark Awakening (episode)|Dark Awakening}}
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==Japanese cartoon continuity==
{{note|The events of the Generation 1 cartoon occur in Japanese continuity as described above. The Japanese timeline adds many new stories and events into the chronology; in Prowl's case, some of them centre around an unexplained apparent resurrection.}}

===''Generations Selects Special Comic'' (1)===
Four million years ago, Prowl was one of the Autobots on the bridge of the ''Ark'' before it was attacked by the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]''. {{storylink|Super Megatron comic 2}}

===''Beast Wars Metals'' cartoon===
{{see|Prowl (G1)#Beast Wars cartoon}}

===''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' story pages===
Prowl was a participant in a battle in New York City, early in the Autobot/Decepticon war taking place on Earth. The Autobots were victorious that day. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (story page)|Broadcasting on TV! Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers}}

===''Legends'' comic===
In the late 1980s, Prowl had his [[transformation cog]] modified to let him form a limb for the experimental [[combiner]] [[Optimus Maximus (G1)|Optimus Maximus]], who the Autobots formed to defeat [[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]] during the battle for the [[Transform Super Cog]]. {{storylink|Slugslinger's Ambition}} He later fell in a hole dug by the overly enthusiastic [[Twin Twist]]. {{storylink|Jumpstarter Chapter#Operation: Destroy the Decepticons|Operation: Destroy the Decepticons}}

===''The Battle of the Star Gate''===
Prowl was among the Autobots who accompanied Optimus into Earth orbit to stop Megatron's take-over of the ''[[Trigger]]''. They were able to repel the Decepticons from the space station in short order. {{storylink|First Contact (Star Gate)|First Contact}}

===''Story of Binaltech''===
In [[2003]], a plague of [[Cosmic Rust (disease)|Cosmic Rust]] unleashed upon the Autobots by the Decepticons necessitated that the infected warriors upgrade to new "[[Binaltech (technology)|Binaltech]]" bodies created through co-operation with the [[Earth Defense Command]]. {{storylink|Binaltech Is... (Chapter 1)|Binaltech Is...}} Prowl was lucky enough to avoid infection, and so refrained from upgrade. Regardless, the combined might of the new Binaltech Autobots was enough to force the Decepticons off of Earth, and into hiding in the far reaches of the [[Solar System]]. {{storylink|Arise! Evil Binaltechs}}

====BT World====
[[File:Binaltech prowl cardart.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.2|This ruby-quartz baton allows me to safely contain and administer focused bursts of prickery!]]
Granted a vision of the future by the time-tossed Decepticon [[Ravage (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ravage]], [[Wheeljack (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Wheeljack]] saw Prowl's looming death in the year 2005, and resolved to save his life. {{storylink|Project Bodyshop}} Prowl was equipped with the [[Genetronic Translink System]], which would allow him to relocate his [[spark|life force]] to [[unspace|subspace]], and from there, control multiple Binaltech bodies; therefore, the vision Wheeljack saw of his friend's dead body could still come to pass, while his life force would live on. Before the first of his secondary bodies were completed, however, Prowl was sent on a mission to investigate some potential Decepticon activity in the vicinity of [[Saturn]], and came under heavy attack from the villains. He contacted Wheeljack on Earth, who was in the process of transferring memory data into Prowl's secondary Binaltech body, and Wheeljack prepared the GT System for a risky manoeuvre—the transplantation of Prowl's life core from his body, through subspace, into the Binaltech unit in Wheeljack's workshop. The transfer was initiated, but unfortunately, the unstable link collapsed midway through the process, and Prowl's life core was lost to the depths of subspace. Believing that the world still required the skills of Prowl, Prowl's longtime friend Chip Chase transferred his life essence into the Binaltech body, merging with the memory data already installed in it to become "[[Prowl (TM2)|Prowl 2]]". {{storylink|Prowl & Chase}}

A few years later, Prowl's life core found its way through the infinite vastness of subspace and materialized in a different universe: the original timeline from which the Binaltech world had branched off. Prowl's life core was found by the Autobots of that world, but unfortunately, it was soon discovered that even in another universe, he was not beyond the reach of his home dimension's Decepticons. [[Doctor Arkeville]] and [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] used a neuro-net frame combined with a subspace node to locate his spark across the multiverse, and drain energy from it to power a giant monster they had made from synthetic [[electrum]]. {{storylink|Unfinished Business, Part 2}} Prowl's life core began to destabilize as a consequence, and so the Bluestreak from the original timeline voyaged across the dimensions to the Binaltech world to alert Prowl's fellow Autobots to his dire situation. {{storylink|Unfinished Business, Part 1}} With Bluestreak's aid, the Autobots tracked down the Decepticon operation and destroyed the monster, severing its connection to Prowl's life core. Though stable now, Prowl's life force was still too weak to make an interdimensional journey unguarded, requiring a body for protection. Chip Chase separated his consciousness from the "Prowl 2" body so that it could be taken back to Bluestreak's timeline to finally serve as the body of the Autobot for whom it was always intended. {{storylink|Unfinished Business, Part 2}}

{{charstubfiction|{{Storylink|Unfinished Business, Part 4}}}}

===Controverse===
Prowl and Wheeljack traveled from [[BT World]] to [[G1 World|OG World]] to witness the trial of [[Primacron]], only to find themselves unable to return to their home universe upon arrival. They transferred their sparks into new, non-Binaltech bodies, {{storylink|Controverse}} leaving the old bodies in storage. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/10}} The duo was present to witness the Trial of [[Primacron]], and were instrumental in catching the [[Quintesson]] judge's deception. Primacron was to be sentenced to the asylum planet of [[Doruka III]], where BT-Prowl suspected they would try to harvest his brain.

But Primacron freed himself under his own power by taking control of all nearby "[[Primitive]]" Transformers. But Primacron showed restraint against the Quintesson who would have sent him to his doom, and Prowl took the scientist back into custody peacefully. {{storylink|Controverse}}

===''Generations Selects Special Comic'' (2)===
In [[2011]], Prowl was present when Unicron temporarily reformed before being exiled to the [[Triple Z Point]]. {{storylink|Generations Selects Special Comic Finale Part 2|Finale Part 2}}

===''The Headmasters'' cartoon===
[[File:Prowlwubsmagnus headmasters.jpg|thumb|G-G-Ghost Prowl!]]
Prowl was stationed at [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] on Earth in 2011 when he and many other troops were summoned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] to help repel a [[Decepticon]] invasion. On the way to the [[space bridge]], the Autobots were attacked by a Decepticon attack force led by [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]], but the arrival of the [[Trainbot]]s allowed them to break away and continue their progress. The Decepticons pursued them, and Prowl joined with [[Sideswipe (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Sideswipe]] in lending [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] supporting fire until the Decepticon offensive broke. Prowl commented that they had showed their foes, and the team headed on to Cybertron. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}}

Later, Prowl attended a briefing at [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], where Ultra Magnus assigned several Autobot units to run interference with the Decepticons for [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]], as the young Autobot searched for the missing [[Matrix of Leadership]]. Prowl accompanied Ultra Magnus's unit, but did not appear again. {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}

===''15 Go! Go!''===
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Information Administration Teletraan 15 Go! Go! Volume 1}}}}

===''Unite Warriors''===
In [[2021]], Prowl, having gained a combiner body, was present on Cybertron when [[Megaempress]] and her [[4 Guards]] intervened in the battle between [[Sky Reign]] and [[Grand Galvatron]]. Subsequently, Prowl combined with Ironhide, Mirage, Sunstreaker, and a temporarily-resurrected Optimus Prime into [[Optimus Maximus (G1)|Optimus Maximus]] to fight [[Megatronia]]. {{storylink|Megatronia Chapter}} They separated when Unicron attacked the planet with new troops that Prowl recognized as the [[Commando (RID)|Combatrons]], villains that showed up on Earth after the ''Trigger'' incident. He and his teammates fared poorly against [[Armorhide (RID)|Dangar]]'s armor. {{storylink|Ruination Chapter, Part One}} Once the Commandos turned on Unicron, the Autobots formed Optimus Maximus again and helped defeat Unicron. {{storylink|Ruination Chapter, Part Two}}

Prowl and his combining teammates went to [[Hawaii]] for "special surfing training". Prowl turned out to be less than proficient at the sport and was sent flying off his board by a wave. {{storylink|Crossing the Pacific Ocean!?}}

===''Cloud''===
In a [[15-OGSS Spacetime|divergent timeline]], Prowl was at a shuttle base orbiting [[Earth]] when an incursion of Decepticons from [[Cloud World]] occurred. Prowl and his comrades tried to fend off the invaders, but ultimately, Autobots from Cloud World saved the day. {{storylink|Transformers Cloud Compilation Comic|Compilation Comic}}

===''Generations Selects Special Comic'' (3)===
In [[2050]], Prowl and the Autobots initially opposed the [[Selector]]s' revolution before agreeing these robots deserved freedom too. {{storylink|Volcanicus comic 1}}

==''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic==
[[File:Fullthrottle prowl.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85]]
When the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] and [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]] tried to besmirch the Autobots' good names by wearing their [[insignia]] while committing acts of evil, Prowl was among the Autobots who mobilized to stop them. Prowl carried [[Eject (G1)|Eject]] and [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] into the battle in car mode, opening his doors to let the two cassette-bots loose on [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] and [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]]. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 7|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #7}}

==Full Throttle Scramble Power!==
Prowl was among the Autobots seen reacting with panic to the news that [[Hound (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hound]] and their human allies [[Tōru]] and [[Jenny (G1)|Jenny]] had been captured by the Decepticons while investigating their deadly new [[Omega Wave Cannon]]. He joined Optimus Prime and a team of Autobots in going to their rescue, and the battle was won when [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] arrived to join the fight with the rest of the Autobot army. {{storylink|Full Throttle Scramble Power!}}
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==''Wings Universe''==
{{Wingsnote}}
[[File:BattleLinesPrimeandCo.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.67]]
Prowl and [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] came off the same production line, and despite having radically different world views, the two became friends. Prowl often tried to teach Side Burn to slow down and appreciate the world around him, but his words most often fell on deaf ears. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 39|Side Burn's ''Wings of Honor'' profile}} Despite his efforts having yielded little results with his friend, Prowl continued to try and reform Side Burn, believing that their shared origins meant that Side Burn would inevitably come around. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 39|Prowl's ''Wings of Honor'' profile}}

Soon after joining up himself, Prowl vouched for Side Burn's membership in the new Autobot military. {{storylink|Battle Lines, Part 2}} He found Side Burn in a seedy bar, trying to pick up fembots with a sob story of how he was the last remaining [[Elite Guard]]sman. After a stern lecture, Prowl took Side Burn to the [[Autobot High Council Citadel]] for the ceremony in which [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] accepted leadership of the new military. {{storylink|Battle Lines, Part 1}} When Side Burn went missing after the ceremony, the other Autobots all looked at Prowl, who protested that he wasn't Side Burn's keeper, but he did have an idea where Side Burn might be... {{storylink|Battle Lines, Part 2}} A week later, he was part of the Autobot forces at [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]'s city walls as the Decepticons broke through with [[Devastator (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Devastator]]. {{storylink|Battle Lines, Part 5}} Though the battle wasn't without casualties, the Autobots eventually saw off Megatron's forces. As the war continued and Cybertron's energy levels dropped dangerously low, Prowl asked Optimus when they were going to start the search for more energy. {{storylink|Battle Lines, Part 6}}

Circa [[2013]], [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian]] leader [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] cloned Prowl to create [[Prowl (MW)|a clone commander]] and [[Prowl drone|clone drone]]s of him. {{storylink|Termination}}
{{-}}

==''Mars Attacks: The Transformers''==
[[File:Mars Attacks The Transformers - Prowl and Astrotrain.jpg|right|upright=1.4|thumb]]
Prowl took part in a battle which resulted in the Decepticons being defeated and captured. When the city was attacked by [[Martian]]s, he and the other Autobots were forced to make a temporary alliance with the Decepticons. Prowl found himself saving [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] from a Martian war robot. The alliance lasted roughly as long as it took to repel the Martians. {{storylink|Mars Attacks: The Transformers}}

==''Cloud''==
Prior to his departure on the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'', Prowl was witness to the incursion into their spacetime by another [[Optimus Prime (Cloud)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (Cloud)|Megatron]] from [[Cloud World]]. He got knocked around as the foreign Megatron unleashed the power of [[SARA]]. {{storylink|Rampage (Cloud)|Rampage}}

==Ask Vector Prime==
In a [[Primax]] reality which was synchronized with a [[Gargent]] reality on the eve of [[The Transformers: The Movie|events of cosmic significance]], Prowl was killed by [[Twin Spin]], and his compatriots killed or captured by other [[Renegade]]s while piloting a [[Command Center (GoBots)|Command Center]] to Earth. {{storylink|Echoes and Fragments}}

==''Deviations''==
In an alternate timeline where [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] survived the [[Battle of Autobot City]], Prowl's body was lined up with other victims of the battle to be honored. {{storylink|Transformers: Deviations|Deviations}}

==Notes==
[[File:Tftm prowl blowsmoke.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Turns out he ''didn't'' know his vocalizer from his exhaust port.]]
*Instead of having a normal gunshot death in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', Prowl is shown having orange smoke coming from his mouth as he dies. ''Hardcore.''
*Prowl's apparent revival in ''The Headmasters'' is one of those errors that happened in the Japanese series as a result of the Japanese production staff not being aware of his death in the movie, as it did not reach Japan for several more years. However, that's really not an excuse, because he was listed among the deceased in both the English and Japanese versions of "[[Dark Awakening (episode)|Dark Awakening]]". [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] would patch this up in his stories, starting with the [[Transformers: Alternators|''Binaltech'' fiction]] and continuing through [[Ask Vector Prime]], spinning an elaborate tale that resulted in Prowl dying and another version of himself and Wheeljack traveling from an [[BT World|alternate timeline]] to the [[G1 World|original timeline]] take their places.
*Production material that surfaced long after the movie released reveals that Prowl's colors were originally going to change for his appearance in the film. However, this never happened, and his character model remained unchanged in the final product.<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/prowl-unused-jpg.28846522/ A fan-recreation of Prowl's unused movie character model based on unsurfaced color guide sheets] – [https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/d-m-s-most-accurately-coloured-g1-animation-models-online.1201950/ TFW2005]</ref>
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==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:Alternators Autobots]]
[[Category:Beast Wars Autobots]]
[[Category:Cloud Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 1 cartoon Autobots]]
[[Category:Generations Selects Autobots]]
[[Category:Legends Autobots]]
[[Category:Second Cybertron Alliance]]
[[Category:The Headmasters Autobots]]
[[Category:Unite Warriors Autobots]]
[[Category:Wings Universe Autobots]]

File:TheRebirth1 TriggerhappySlugslinger.jpg

2023-02-13T19:21:50Z

MrRald: MrRald uploaded a new version of "File:TheRebirth1 TriggerhappySlugslinger.jpg"

{{G1cap|[[Triggerhappy (G1)|Triggerhappy]] attacks the Autobots while [[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]] shouts slogans.<br>Captured on [[Madman Entertainment]]'s ''The Transformers Complete Collection'' DVD set.|The Rebirth, Part 1|7}}

Beyblade

2022-12-22T18:23:49Z

MrRald:

'''Beyblade''' (ベイブレード, ''Beiburēdo'') is a toy franchise owned by Hasbro and Takara Tomy that revolves around modular spinning tops used for competition. It has spun various media like videogames, manga and anime.

It has 3 main incarnations:
*Bakuten Shoot Beyblade (爆転シュートベイブレード, ''Bakuten Shūto Beiburēdo'')

*Metal Fight Beyblade (メタルファイトベイブレード, ''Metaru Faito Beiburēdo'')

*Beyblade Burst (ベイブレードバースト, ''Beiburēdo Bāsuto'')

==Games==
===''DreamMix TV World Fighters''===
Takao used his Beyblade in battle against the other contestants in ''[[World Fighters]]''. {{storylink|DreamMix TV World Fighters}}

[[Category:Other Hasbro properties]]
[[Category:Other TakaraTomy properties]]
[[Category:Generation 1 technology]]

Talk:Thundercracker (Armada)

2022-12-17T19:54:28Z

MrRald: /* Mainpic */

I'm going under the assumption here that Armada and Cybertron Thundercracker are the same being. I know this hasn't always been the case with names/identities throughout the Unicron Trilogy, but without any real REASON to assume they're seperate characters I'm going to go with the logical assumption that they're the same character 10+ years appart.

Their Tech-spec #s kind of support this: Things "body based" change between the two, but Intelligence, Rank, and Skill, the three #s that would likely continue for a character between different bodies, all remain the same. [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 23:36, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Thundercracker's MTMTE entry pretty decisively differentiates him from the character as seen in the Cybertron cartoon, but the original Armada tech specs are very harmonic with the Cybertron version. It isn't as though comic/cartoon versions of characters haven't differed before. I agree with your conclusion.

Plus it gives Starscream's vaguely disgusted "I look like Thundercracker" line so much more meaning. -[[User:65.60.135.99|65.60.135.99]] 00:24, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to say it here for the first time I'll say it! Of course The tech specs are the same! The Tech Specs for Cybertron characters clearly follow the same narrative and with the same narrative continuity as the Tech Specs for Armada and Energon because clearly as far as toymaking and American Tech Spec writing are concerned, Armada, Energon, and Cybertron make up a Trilogy.

That doesn't confirm any links between the Cybertron and Armada cartoons.

As it is, watching the Cybertron cartoon for the first time I was stuck wondering why earth looked the way it did and why human-Autobot relations were the way there were in that cartoon considering what happened in Armada and Energon. Judging from those factors and how the characters talked I really never ever got the impression that it was the same continuity, and later on, after I stopped watching, it's pretty clear to me that the continuity link-up to put Cybertron into a trilogy with its animated predecessors is retroactive and not very much planned ahead of time!

The toys' Tech Specs should all be harmonic; differences between the toys' personality descriptions and those found in the fiction are not uncommon any more than the discrepancies between the fictions. If we're talking in general than yes the characters are obviously and intentionally the same. If Cybertron is a deliberate follow-up to Energon and Armada I need more convincing. --[[User:35.12.24.79|35.12.24.79]] 20:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

:Its all Takara's fault. They (and Gonzo) changed Galaxy Force to a new continuity... before changing it back to being part of the trilogy. And people wonder why they merged with an arch-rival. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

:: See, Hasbro was all like- "Dude, trilogy. seriously."
:: And Takara was all like- "Noo! Supelrink-- so bad! So vely vely bad!"
:: And Gonzo was like- Okay, don't worry. We'll just write the cartoon so you can make it a standalone or the third part of a trilogy depending on how you dub it!
:: And Gonzo's writers were like- "Seriously? We have to watch those shows?"
:: And Gonzo was like- "Pfft. No. We already '''have'' the gaijun's money."
:: Meanwhile Aaron Archer was all- "Sweet, trilogy! Writey-writey, character bios in the post!"
:: And Gonzo was all- "Sweet! The Americans send us something to line the bottom of our hamster cages with!"
:: And the Dub company gets the episode and they're all- "Wait... this is ''clearly'' their first tiem on Earth... Oh well, it's a good thing we're the lowest bidder and arent' actually expected to rewrite the episodes to make sense like Saban did for RiD!"
:: And Gonzo was like- "Whoo! Drunken filthy with filthy American dollars!"
:: And Aaron Archer was all- '''"NOOO! JAPAN HAS SCREWED US AGAIN!"'''
:: And Derik was all- "Wow, didn't see that coming."
:: And Aaron Archer flew over to Japan and started stomping on people's genitals until he re-instilled fear of America in the entire country. "FIX MY GODDAMN CARTOON AND PRODUCE THE SHOW YOU AGREED TO."
:: And Gonzo was all- "Chill, chill... we fix, we fix..."
:: And then the 'fix' consisted of putting a picture montage at the end of the final episode linking it to Armada and Energon, which was left in in Japan even though Galaxy Force was supposed to be a standalone.
:: And Aaron Archer threw a hissy fit, decapitated several interns and drank their blood at a corporate board meeting to express his rage.
:: And Hasbro was all- "Dude. We are '''never''' co-producing with Japan again."

::(Or at least i gather this was the chain of events.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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:::--[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

*Derik's post needs to be preserved for future generations. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 03:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

:Although the part about the bit in the final episode linking to Armada and Energon being in the Japanese version is wrong. That was only there in Cybertron. Also, lowest bidders or not, Cybertron's dub was great. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

::It wouldn't be Derik if it didn't have ''one'' mistake. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

== personality switch ==

in one episode of transformers cybertron thundercracker follows jet fire to the autobots (fake) base and when jet fire is inside thundercracker says "STARSCREAM transform" in starscreams voice, he then calls for a cyber key power still using starcreams voice and blows up the autobots (fake) base and says something in starscreams voice AGAIN and flys off AND he was behaving as if he had starscreams PERSONALITY aswell!
[[User:80.42.88.231|80.42.88.231]] 10:01, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

It was a goof-up. Jetfire was being followed by Starscream initially. Fortunately, they fixed that on the DVD. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 11:57, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

==I have a question.==

Should I add something that says the toy can snap in half if you're not careful with it onto the Cybertron Deluxe Thundercracker toy bio? As I have the Skywarp redeco that I bought off of eBay and it snapped in half the day I got it in the post. --[[User:CyclonustheWarrior|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior|talk]]) 12:56, 17 December 2018 (EST)
:Maybe not. If more people reported it happening to them, sure, but I don't think a lone instance is enough to justify a mention. Besides, it's a thirteen year old toy; sometimes, they just don't age gracefully. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:00, 17 December 2018 (EST)
:Yeah, good point, I guess it's just my copy. I mean, I have a KO G1 Blitzwing and the foot came off, but I'm not editing his G1 toy bio to include that, so yeah. --[[User:CyclonustheWarrior|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior|talk]]) 13:34, 17 December 2018 (EST)

== Mainpic ==

I know we have the "first body" rule, but ''surely'' an appearance in the cartoon trumps a toyline-only nobody whose best-known appearance is as a different character entirely? In the same sense as [[Lockdown (ROTF)]], [[Hound (Movie)]] and [[Hot Shot (Prime)]], I really think that the mainpic here should be Cybertron Thundercracker. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:49, 17 December 2022 (EST)
:Agreed. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:52, 17 December 2022 (EST)

:Given that Armada Thundercracker only exists via two name-drops and one cancelled Dreamwave cameo I'm in favor of a Cybertron main pic, since it's by far his only real fiction appearance. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 14:54, 17 December 2022 (EST)

Talk:Tarn (G1)

2022-12-14T14:51:14Z

MrRald: /* Move to (G1) */

So, given the new revelations of Tarn's identity, what do we do with the two pages? Do we merge Glitch into this one, this one into Glitch, or leave the two seperate? [[User:Stealthyboy|Stealthyboy]] ([[User talk:Stealthyboy|talk]]) 04:02, 28 July 2016 (EDT)
:We should wait for the spoiler period to expire before doing any merging to avoid doing anything spoilery. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:21, 28 July 2016 (EDT)
::Right, yes of course, but after that period is over, what would be the best way of dealing with the issue? [[User:Stealthyboy|Stealthyboy]] ([[User talk:Stealthyboy|talk]]) 04:57, 28 July 2016 (EDT)
:::It seems to me the merged article needs to live here, just as the other DJD members don't need moved to their real names. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 06:39, 28 July 2016 (EDT)
::::I'm the opposite, if only because I ''HATE'' the "(polity)" disambigs for the cities. That, and it helps disambiguate the two Voses better. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:25, 28 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::Eh. Aside from Vos, the DJD members have longer, more well-documented histories under their codenames, and we were introduced to all of them like that. And personally, Vos' article looks fine; it gets a short sentence or two for his first identity, then delves deeper into the one that has a longer history (and it seems to work fine in the [[Ultra_Magnus_(G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]] article). [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 14:17, 29 July 2016 (EDT)
So is the consensus to leave the DJD where they are now? (Not merging now, just creating redirects.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:57, 1 August 2016 (EDT)
:That's probably best, they're the names people will know and get called the most.[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 19:23, 1 August 2016 (GMT)
Why are these mergers happening BEFORE the expiration of spoilers for the relevant issues? First Dominus Ambus and now Tarn... is it that much of a hassle to wait a piddly 30 days before getting the job done? [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 08:12, 26 August 2016 (EDT)
:You're complaining about this after the next issue has already been released, so... what? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:48, 26 August 2016 (EDT)

== Move to (G1) ==

Considering how Tarn is showing up in other franchises, it seems simpler to just park the DJD guys at (G1)? Pan-franchise articles for cities, planets, etc. shouldn't really have an influence on this. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:36, 7 December 2022 (EST)

Agreed. As Tarn is crossing over continuity families this will be more convenient, specially if the DJD itself also gets used in new continuity families. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 09:51, 14 December 2022 (EST)

Talk:Sideways (AVP)

2022-12-13T17:37:04Z

MrRald:

...Seriously? We're really going through with such a major change with little to no discussion beforehand? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:09, 12 December 2022 (EST)
:[[User talk:Sabrblade/sandbox|I can't say I agree with that take.]] [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 19:37, 12 December 2022 (EST)
::For this specific proposal there is four people discussing it (including me, so I don't get why you're trying to "gotcha" me with it), which fits the definition of "''little'' to no. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:45, 12 December 2022 (EST)
:::The proposal was up for almost three weeks; more than enough time for people to chime in if they so chose. Yours was the only voice of dissent. Riptide was well within her rights to implement the change. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:50, 12 December 2022 (EST)
::::It was on a user's sandbox talk page that had no indication in the title it was about Sideways! At the very least it should have been brought up on the actual Sideways page, but I think a change this big warranted being on the community portal at the very least. This should have been discussed more thoroughly and quite frankly I'm pretty mad that there wasn't even a followup discussion about this before we just decided to go full speed ahead. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:56, 12 December 2022 (EST)
:::::Well, here's the thing: we really should have done this as soon as we decided on the "each continuity family's appearances of Sideways get their own page", because they're appearing in a separate family and narrative from any other Sideways. This is, frankly, the way this should have been under the current system. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:02, 12 December 2022 (EST)
::::::...if that's really your justification I cannot frigging believe you went ahead with this. The continuity family he's appearing in is specifically a multiversal hub of travel; we don't give separate articles to the few hundred characters that show up in TransTech because of that. This is not at all what the rules of Sideways were and you know it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 05:29, 13 December 2022 (EST)
:::::::No, we don't, but Sideways is specifically a special case because everything about him is fucked. This Sideways is at once meant to be RID, Armada, movie, and more and there's no way to properly accomodate that under our current system, which is why I think splitting it off is the best of a bad bunch. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 12:27, 13 December 2022 (EST)

We do not need to merge this back into the other Sideways page. As Riptide has already articulated, this Sideways is a tangled amalgamation of just about every prior Sideways at once, and therefore the closest to a good solution is cordon it off onto its own page. (Also the AVP Sideways doesn't even USE Armada as the image) [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 12:31, 13 December 2022 (EST)

I did not chime in on the original vote because I wanted to leave it to the experts and I was satisfied with how Riptide was handling the sandbox. But I'm satisfied with the current article and I find a splitting messy and unnecessary at this point.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 12:37, 13 December 2022 (EST)

Talk:Bumblebee (Movie)/toys

2022-12-08T03:21:58Z

MrRald: /* This page is desperately in need of splitting. */

==Split AGAIN?==
Apparently this page is 52 KB, which is fuckoff huge by Wiki standards. I propose splitting it into Bumblebee/toys and Bumblebee/merchandise. Any opposition? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:31, 15 November 2009 (EST)
:52 kB isn't that large—only old browsers have trouble editing. 100 kB is a better point to split it. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:27, 15 November 2009 (EST)

==Leader Bumblebee==

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/285964-5th-rotf-leader-class-mold.html

Is it time to add a new sub section? [[User:Dinoman96|Dinoman96]] 13:13, 4 January 2010 (EST)
: Not until we get official confirmation, and not something stolen or leaked. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:01, 4 January 2010 (EST)

== Battle Blade Bumblebee losing his head? ==

I got Battle Blade Bumblebee today (the first of any of the Movieverse Bumblebees I've ever gotten) and the head seems to come off fairly easy when I convert him. For article noting purposes, I would like to know if anybody else has had this problem with this particular toy. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 22:42, 2 August 2010 (EDT)
:Nope, and sorry, but you're better off asking a message board, because this question is not a discussion about the content of the article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:06, 2 August 2010 (EDT)
::I only ask because if this problem is widespread, it should be noted like other flaws with toys (ROTF's Sideswipe's torso problem, for example). However, I'll yield and drop the subject (no more message boards for me). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 10:08, 3 August 2010 (EDT)
:::I've seen some with the heads somewhere rattling around in the box.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 14:49, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::::Never had a problem with mine and I've owned it since August. I'm not aware of the Sideswipe problem either as never had an issue with any of the three different Sideswipes I have had (I only own Sidearms now having sold off the others) {{Unsigned|86.29.57.94}}

== DOTM ==

I think someoneshould add a DOTM secton. But not me. Who knows what I could mess up!--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 14:52, 19 February 2011 (EST)

==DOTM Deluxe Bee==

Before we get into ANOTHER edit-war, could SOMEONE ELSE kindly clarify whether Deluxe Bee is a retool or a remold? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:12, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
: I really have no idea. I don't own Battle Blades Bumblebee, and I didn't pay much attention to deluxe Bee at Toy Fair, either. I do wonder how TOM can claim to know DOTM Bee is "smaller," though. Officially, that is. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:18, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:: In this video from Optibotimus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpqamRtmGRE Quote: because this figure is smaller than any other version of bumblebee, they technically are all brand new parts. They couldn't reuse any other Bumblebee parts cause they no longer would fit. -Optibotimus --[[User:TOM|TOM]] 14:48, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
: So like I said. You got this information from illegal sources. How many times have I asked you to not do that? Would you say one million times? What will it take to make you learn, or do I just have to get rid of you? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:50, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:: Illegal? How?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 14:56, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:::The toy has not been released for sale. Therefore, anyone who has one has acquired it through illegal means. THEY ARE STOLEN!!!!!!! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:58, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:::: Peaugh hs one LEAGALY; he bought it from KAPOW! Toys. I even asked a guy who reviews the toys for the company, and he said KAPOW! is 100% legit, and they DO NOT sell stolen items!--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 15:02, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::Because people who sell stolen items always say that. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN RELEASED FOR SALE. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:08, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::''He'' doesn't sell them, he just reviews them for the company.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 15:11, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Kapow Toys's own site says that: "PRE-ORDER Transformers Dark of the Moon Deluxe Bumblebee US Card PRE-ORDER DUE MAY - JUNE 2011". How can he have it from them if they won't have it for another month? And what company does he do the reviews for? And how do you know? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:13, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::He is still reviewing stolen property. The release date for these toys is not for several months. Because you can't seem to learn, and me telling you to stop adding stolen information to our wiki is at least a once-a-week occurrence that has gone on for as long as you've been editing this wiki, you are going on an extended vacation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:14, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::: What's the Deluxe Bee that has a weapon hole on his hood rather than the roof? I saw a pic of it somewhere but can't seem to find it again. {{Unsigned|86.29.57.94}}
:::::::::: The cries of "ILLEGAL" sound awfully corporate to me. What moral obligation are you pulling here to disregard sources of information that aren't press releases? "Stolen information" is one of the most pompous things I've seen on this site, and that's saying a lot seeing as how more than half it is dedicated to proxy rage against raging fans. {{Unsigned|74.63.112.139}}
:::::::::::Familiarize yourself with [[Help:Official info#Stolen toys are bad|this]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:16, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

== Lunchables ==

What with the lockdown, I can't correct the following errors in the Lunchables section: plateform ---> platform, creatre ---> create, itiration ---> iteration. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:59, 26 March 2011 (EDT)

== Redeco Jokes ==

Yes, there's a billion Bumblebee redecos. We all know that. Can we stop making caption jokes about it? [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 19:40, 17 June 2011 (EDT)

== Nitro 'bee ==
Is Nitro 'bee's molded license plate a new thing for Transformers? Usually it's either a sticker, or just a flat space, but Nitro 'bee has the whole thing molded on his back-end.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 15:37, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

==Leader writeup==
The previous edit's writeup wasn't great, but it wasn't worthless, either. I was going to rewrite it myself based on what our anonymous editor contributed, but I don't have the toy so I can't figure out quite what he means about some of it. Still, I think someone should try to overhaul it rather than just revert it outright to a version of the entry with no information at all. -[[User:LV|LV]] 14:11, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
:This was the previous entry:
"Leader class Bumblebee is a new mold made to be more movie accurate like all other figures under the leader class title. Bumblebee has no electronics or voice capabilities in the figure itself. Instead all the electronics are found in a jet pack/ weapon pack that can be clipped to either his back or the rear end of the car. The pack includes three weapons, a non firing shoulder cannon and two non firing missile packs that can be angled around his shoulders however you want it. The shoulder cannon plays a firing noise when pressed as well as deploys a scope that is entirely useless to the character for it comes nowhere near his face. the rocket launchers play a different noise of rockets being fired when pressed. The only other sound is the pack has a switch that, when pushed forward or pulled back, deploys/retracts the weapons and plays to notably different sounding transformation sounds between retracting and deploying (it also flashes blue or yellwolights when the above mentioned sounds play). ''Besides the pack, Bumblebee's only packaged weapon is the pulse cannon on his right arm. this cannon can't be replaced with a normal hand but it does telepathically pop out'' and the yellow piece on the lower arm can come forward (this doesn't happen on the other arm)to create what looks like a blade weapon.on his The Cameron mode can be put the weapon pack on and give him a sort of attack mode, likely based off the scene when Bumblebee briefly used weapons while in vehicle form. The form changes basically nothing, just opens the hood parts and reveals the arms where the door used to be (the door hangs over them now). Bumblebee has four five millimeter holes for the mech tech feature, one on the top of his shoulder (though the one on the side of his shoulder is to small for mech tech weapons) and one on his lower arms. The weapon system/ jet pack has five, two on the body of the pack, the third on the middle cannon, and one on each of the rocket launchers. The two launchers packs can be equiped with a c joint rung each. The alt mode has none but the attack form has the same four located on his arms as well as it includes the wepaon pack's seven mech tech points. In total, Bumblebee can store up to nine mech weapons. The pack can't really be placed on any other mech tech characters due to it's massive size and the connector peg, though the Deluxe calss Laserbeak can be plugged onto it and his arms if you want." --[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:31, 7 August 2011 (EDT)

== Citation needed ==

As the person who added the bit that was given the "citation needed" treatment, I can confirm that there was a weird version of the checklist on Hasbro's website a few years ago that listed all sorts of unreleased toys (that list is where we got the name "Halloween Horrorcons" from) which also listed all the Screen Battles sets with four instead of three human figures. That list should be long gone by now.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 20:01, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

== "Impossible!" ==
As I was editing the page myself (not sure if it will still be kept on or not), I found it daunting trying to edit the page because it was so long it is nearly impossible to go where you need to be, or your mind is just screwed.

So my Idea to rectify the problem (and perhaps to make the "Bumblebee toys" a little less overwhelming for those who read or edit it), is perhaps to split the page apart to equal sections (as in parts to continue) or towards which movie (e.g. Bumblee toys ROTF) with a hint of what came afterwards (e.g. the 2010 line) before moving to the next page (Bumblebee toys DOTM) and so forth.

Not sure if anyone could agree on this, but It is I hope a good point on a result of why we hate Bumblebee so much.[[User:Go(toby070)Bots|Go(toby070)Bots]] ([[User talk:Go(toby070)Bots|talk]]) 10:53, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
:That's what the headers and table of contents are for. Ctrl+F is your best friend. Besides, this isn't even the longest page.

:And who's this "we" you're talking about? --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] ([[User talk:Inkblot|talk]]) 22:40, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

== Studio Series toy ==

Any consensus from owners on whether ''Studio Series'' Bumblebee best qualifies as a heavy retool or a partial-tool? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:56, 6 March 2018 (EST)

== mpm07 ==

mpm07 beatle bumblebee needs to be added {{unsigned|Optimusprimerotfrocks}}
:The listng has no pictures and comes from an unofficial affiliate of Hasbro, therefore, it constitutes as leak, and has no place on the wiki. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:32, 1 September 2018 (EDT)

mpm07 has been listed on tfsource for preorder and has been revealed on tfw2005 by hasbro
http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/09/21/tranformers-masterpiece-movie-mpm-07-bumblebee-vw-beetle-official-images-and-announcement-372059 {{unsigned|Optimusprimerotfrocks}}
:We already have the toy up. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 22 September 2018 (EDT)

== This page is desperately in need of splitting. ==

Right now this page ranks as eighth longest page on the wiki, and it is surprising that loading all the images does not crash my browser. Something has to give. Where would be an adequate point to partition Bumblebee toys? Unfortunately, it is possible the 2018 ''Bumblebee'' movie is an insufficient benchmark to trim down the first page of toys to a manageable user experience. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 07:25, 16 June 2022 (EDT)
:Why not split the six movie franchise evenly in half? Same for Movie OP. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:26, 16 June 2022 (EDT)
::Probably the best place to split right now would be from the ''Age of Extinction'' toyline onward, as both pages would have approximately the same lenght. But considering that this Bumblebee is inevitably going to keep getting ''a lot'' of toys in the foreseeable future, I'd suggest we split the first decade (2007-2016) from everything past 2017. Basically the split would happen between ''Q-Transformers'' and ''Movie the Best'', allowing for the second page to keep growing to the lenght of the first one until we reach 2026 and decide if yet another split becomes a necessity. --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 17:39, 16 June 2022 (EDT)

:::I think give the sheer length another split may be needed down the road, but I do agree that the original trilogy is a workable boundary line for now! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 14:01, 26 June 2022 (EDT)
Reviving this topic because we all know this page is only going to grow bigger next year and we'll have to split it sooner or later. MrRald has suggested on the Discord that we start by splitting the ''Studio Series'' toys (along with ''Buzzworthy SS'' and ''Premium Finish'') to their own page separate from all the other toys. While I personally agree that it's a good starting point, I also think that we could just go straight to the "second phase of the split"—so to speak—where we keep the first page with everything from 2007 to 2017 and the second page with everything else starting with 2018, conveniently splitting the original 10 years of the Bayverse from this new era of softly-rebooted movies and toylines that started with ''Bumblebee'' and ''Studio Series''. It's only a matter of time until we get loads of ''Rise of the Beasts'' toys anyway so it wouldn't hurt to be prepared for their eventual arrival. Does anyone else agree with this proposal? --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 22:09, 7 December 2022 (EST)

While I have no strong feelings on which way we split the page, I second the need to split this page as soon as possible for the sake of making it stable and navigable.
The reason I chose the studio series toyline for the split is because it's been going for 5 years, it shows no sign of stopping and Bumblebee gets the most toys in it. Therefore, it's gonna be our main source of bloating from here on. The upcoming Rise of The Beasts Tie-in toyline will probably also feature a lot of Bumblebee merchandise, so I find sensitive to move it alongside the Studio Series toys as it will be another source of bloating.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 22:20, 7 December 2022 (EST)

Talk:Bumblebee (Movie)/toys

2022-12-08T03:20:55Z

MrRald: /* This page is desperately in need of splitting. */

==Split AGAIN?==
Apparently this page is 52 KB, which is fuckoff huge by Wiki standards. I propose splitting it into Bumblebee/toys and Bumblebee/merchandise. Any opposition? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:31, 15 November 2009 (EST)
:52 kB isn't that large—only old browsers have trouble editing. 100 kB is a better point to split it. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:27, 15 November 2009 (EST)

==Leader Bumblebee==

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/285964-5th-rotf-leader-class-mold.html

Is it time to add a new sub section? [[User:Dinoman96|Dinoman96]] 13:13, 4 January 2010 (EST)
: Not until we get official confirmation, and not something stolen or leaked. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:01, 4 January 2010 (EST)

== Battle Blade Bumblebee losing his head? ==

I got Battle Blade Bumblebee today (the first of any of the Movieverse Bumblebees I've ever gotten) and the head seems to come off fairly easy when I convert him. For article noting purposes, I would like to know if anybody else has had this problem with this particular toy. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 22:42, 2 August 2010 (EDT)
:Nope, and sorry, but you're better off asking a message board, because this question is not a discussion about the content of the article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:06, 2 August 2010 (EDT)
::I only ask because if this problem is widespread, it should be noted like other flaws with toys (ROTF's Sideswipe's torso problem, for example). However, I'll yield and drop the subject (no more message boards for me). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 10:08, 3 August 2010 (EDT)
:::I've seen some with the heads somewhere rattling around in the box.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 14:49, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::::Never had a problem with mine and I've owned it since August. I'm not aware of the Sideswipe problem either as never had an issue with any of the three different Sideswipes I have had (I only own Sidearms now having sold off the others) {{Unsigned|86.29.57.94}}

== DOTM ==

I think someoneshould add a DOTM secton. But not me. Who knows what I could mess up!--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 14:52, 19 February 2011 (EST)

==DOTM Deluxe Bee==

Before we get into ANOTHER edit-war, could SOMEONE ELSE kindly clarify whether Deluxe Bee is a retool or a remold? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:12, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
: I really have no idea. I don't own Battle Blades Bumblebee, and I didn't pay much attention to deluxe Bee at Toy Fair, either. I do wonder how TOM can claim to know DOTM Bee is "smaller," though. Officially, that is. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:18, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:: In this video from Optibotimus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpqamRtmGRE Quote: because this figure is smaller than any other version of bumblebee, they technically are all brand new parts. They couldn't reuse any other Bumblebee parts cause they no longer would fit. -Optibotimus --[[User:TOM|TOM]] 14:48, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
: So like I said. You got this information from illegal sources. How many times have I asked you to not do that? Would you say one million times? What will it take to make you learn, or do I just have to get rid of you? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:50, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:: Illegal? How?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 14:56, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:::The toy has not been released for sale. Therefore, anyone who has one has acquired it through illegal means. THEY ARE STOLEN!!!!!!! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:58, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:::: Peaugh hs one LEAGALY; he bought it from KAPOW! Toys. I even asked a guy who reviews the toys for the company, and he said KAPOW! is 100% legit, and they DO NOT sell stolen items!--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 15:02, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::Because people who sell stolen items always say that. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN RELEASED FOR SALE. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:08, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::''He'' doesn't sell them, he just reviews them for the company.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 15:11, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Kapow Toys's own site says that: "PRE-ORDER Transformers Dark of the Moon Deluxe Bumblebee US Card PRE-ORDER DUE MAY - JUNE 2011". How can he have it from them if they won't have it for another month? And what company does he do the reviews for? And how do you know? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:13, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::He is still reviewing stolen property. The release date for these toys is not for several months. Because you can't seem to learn, and me telling you to stop adding stolen information to our wiki is at least a once-a-week occurrence that has gone on for as long as you've been editing this wiki, you are going on an extended vacation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:14, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::: What's the Deluxe Bee that has a weapon hole on his hood rather than the roof? I saw a pic of it somewhere but can't seem to find it again. {{Unsigned|86.29.57.94}}
:::::::::: The cries of "ILLEGAL" sound awfully corporate to me. What moral obligation are you pulling here to disregard sources of information that aren't press releases? "Stolen information" is one of the most pompous things I've seen on this site, and that's saying a lot seeing as how more than half it is dedicated to proxy rage against raging fans. {{Unsigned|74.63.112.139}}
:::::::::::Familiarize yourself with [[Help:Official info#Stolen toys are bad|this]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:16, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

== Lunchables ==

What with the lockdown, I can't correct the following errors in the Lunchables section: plateform ---> platform, creatre ---> create, itiration ---> iteration. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:59, 26 March 2011 (EDT)

== Redeco Jokes ==

Yes, there's a billion Bumblebee redecos. We all know that. Can we stop making caption jokes about it? [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 19:40, 17 June 2011 (EDT)

== Nitro 'bee ==
Is Nitro 'bee's molded license plate a new thing for Transformers? Usually it's either a sticker, or just a flat space, but Nitro 'bee has the whole thing molded on his back-end.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 15:37, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

==Leader writeup==
The previous edit's writeup wasn't great, but it wasn't worthless, either. I was going to rewrite it myself based on what our anonymous editor contributed, but I don't have the toy so I can't figure out quite what he means about some of it. Still, I think someone should try to overhaul it rather than just revert it outright to a version of the entry with no information at all. -[[User:LV|LV]] 14:11, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
:This was the previous entry:
"Leader class Bumblebee is a new mold made to be more movie accurate like all other figures under the leader class title. Bumblebee has no electronics or voice capabilities in the figure itself. Instead all the electronics are found in a jet pack/ weapon pack that can be clipped to either his back or the rear end of the car. The pack includes three weapons, a non firing shoulder cannon and two non firing missile packs that can be angled around his shoulders however you want it. The shoulder cannon plays a firing noise when pressed as well as deploys a scope that is entirely useless to the character for it comes nowhere near his face. the rocket launchers play a different noise of rockets being fired when pressed. The only other sound is the pack has a switch that, when pushed forward or pulled back, deploys/retracts the weapons and plays to notably different sounding transformation sounds between retracting and deploying (it also flashes blue or yellwolights when the above mentioned sounds play). ''Besides the pack, Bumblebee's only packaged weapon is the pulse cannon on his right arm. this cannon can't be replaced with a normal hand but it does telepathically pop out'' and the yellow piece on the lower arm can come forward (this doesn't happen on the other arm)to create what looks like a blade weapon.on his The Cameron mode can be put the weapon pack on and give him a sort of attack mode, likely based off the scene when Bumblebee briefly used weapons while in vehicle form. The form changes basically nothing, just opens the hood parts and reveals the arms where the door used to be (the door hangs over them now). Bumblebee has four five millimeter holes for the mech tech feature, one on the top of his shoulder (though the one on the side of his shoulder is to small for mech tech weapons) and one on his lower arms. The weapon system/ jet pack has five, two on the body of the pack, the third on the middle cannon, and one on each of the rocket launchers. The two launchers packs can be equiped with a c joint rung each. The alt mode has none but the attack form has the same four located on his arms as well as it includes the wepaon pack's seven mech tech points. In total, Bumblebee can store up to nine mech weapons. The pack can't really be placed on any other mech tech characters due to it's massive size and the connector peg, though the Deluxe calss Laserbeak can be plugged onto it and his arms if you want." --[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:31, 7 August 2011 (EDT)

== Citation needed ==

As the person who added the bit that was given the "citation needed" treatment, I can confirm that there was a weird version of the checklist on Hasbro's website a few years ago that listed all sorts of unreleased toys (that list is where we got the name "Halloween Horrorcons" from) which also listed all the Screen Battles sets with four instead of three human figures. That list should be long gone by now.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 20:01, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

== "Impossible!" ==
As I was editing the page myself (not sure if it will still be kept on or not), I found it daunting trying to edit the page because it was so long it is nearly impossible to go where you need to be, or your mind is just screwed.

So my Idea to rectify the problem (and perhaps to make the "Bumblebee toys" a little less overwhelming for those who read or edit it), is perhaps to split the page apart to equal sections (as in parts to continue) or towards which movie (e.g. Bumblee toys ROTF) with a hint of what came afterwards (e.g. the 2010 line) before moving to the next page (Bumblebee toys DOTM) and so forth.

Not sure if anyone could agree on this, but It is I hope a good point on a result of why we hate Bumblebee so much.[[User:Go(toby070)Bots|Go(toby070)Bots]] ([[User talk:Go(toby070)Bots|talk]]) 10:53, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
:That's what the headers and table of contents are for. Ctrl+F is your best friend. Besides, this isn't even the longest page.

:And who's this "we" you're talking about? --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] ([[User talk:Inkblot|talk]]) 22:40, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

== Studio Series toy ==

Any consensus from owners on whether ''Studio Series'' Bumblebee best qualifies as a heavy retool or a partial-tool? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:56, 6 March 2018 (EST)

== mpm07 ==

mpm07 beatle bumblebee needs to be added {{unsigned|Optimusprimerotfrocks}}
:The listng has no pictures and comes from an unofficial affiliate of Hasbro, therefore, it constitutes as leak, and has no place on the wiki. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:32, 1 September 2018 (EDT)

mpm07 has been listed on tfsource for preorder and has been revealed on tfw2005 by hasbro
http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/09/21/tranformers-masterpiece-movie-mpm-07-bumblebee-vw-beetle-official-images-and-announcement-372059 {{unsigned|Optimusprimerotfrocks}}
:We already have the toy up. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 22 September 2018 (EDT)

== This page is desperately in need of splitting. ==

Right now this page ranks as eighth longest page on the wiki, and it is surprising that loading all the images does not crash my browser. Something has to give. Where would be an adequate point to partition Bumblebee toys? Unfortunately, it is possible the 2018 ''Bumblebee'' movie is an insufficient benchmark to trim down the first page of toys to a manageable user experience. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 07:25, 16 June 2022 (EDT)
:Why not split the six movie franchise evenly in half? Same for Movie OP. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:26, 16 June 2022 (EDT)
::Probably the best place to split right now would be from the ''Age of Extinction'' toyline onward, as both pages would have approximately the same lenght. But considering that this Bumblebee is inevitably going to keep getting ''a lot'' of toys in the foreseeable future, I'd suggest we split the first decade (2007-2016) from everything past 2017. Basically the split would happen between ''Q-Transformers'' and ''Movie the Best'', allowing for the second page to keep growing to the lenght of the first one until we reach 2026 and decide if yet another split becomes a necessity. --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 17:39, 16 June 2022 (EDT)

:::I think give the sheer length another split may be needed down the road, but I do agree that the original trilogy is a workable boundary line for now! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 14:01, 26 June 2022 (EDT)
Reviving this topic because we all know this page is only going to grow bigger next year and we'll have to split it sooner or later. MrRald has suggested on the Discord that we start by splitting the ''Studio Series'' toys (along with ''Buzzworthy SS'' and ''Premium Finish'') to their own page separate from all the other toys. While I personally agree that it's a good starting point, I also think that we could just go straight to the "second phase of the split"—so to speak—where we keep the first page with everything from 2007 to 2017 and the second page with everything else starting with 2018, conveniently splitting the original 10 years of the Bayverse from this new era of softly-rebooted movies and toylines that started with ''Bumblebee'' and ''Studio Series''. It's only a matter of time until we get loads of ''Rise of the Beasts'' toys anyway so it wouldn't hurt to be prepared for their eventual arrival. Does anyone else agree with this proposal? --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 22:09, 7 December 2022 (EST)
While I have no strong feelings on which way we split the page, I second the need to split this page as soon as possible for the sake of making it stable and navigable.
The reason I chose the studio series toyline for the split is because it's been going for 5 years, it shows no sign of stopping and Bumblebee gets the most toys in it. Therefore, it's gonna be our main source of bloating from here on. The upcoming Rise of The Beasts Tie-in toyline will probably also feature a lot of Bumblebee merchandise, so I find sensitive to move it alongside the Studio Series toys as it will be another source of bloating.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 22:20, 7 December 2022 (EST)

Talk:Hot Rod (DOTM)

2022-12-05T19:47:06Z

MrRald: /* Move */

This page should be deleted, the Rodimus included with the Two-Pack was intended to be [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] as he appeared in [[Spotlight: Hot Rod]].{{unsigned|SupremeCommander85}}
:It would be awesome if you had any kind of evidence whatsoever to back this up, especially since it doesn't look anything like Hot Rod in Spotlight: Hot Rod. -LV, not logged in
::Yeah, considering DOTM Rodimus features a color palette never seen on a Hot Rod/Rodimus before, you better have some evidence to back that claim up. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:25, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:::This page should exist just like another G1-ish but actually Movie character (Brawl (ROTF)) does. (Unless Hasbro changes it someday.) --'''[[User:TX55|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 10:45, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
::::That's not even the same situation, since Universe and ROTF Brawls are identical, while this DOTM Rodimus sports a brand-new color scheme that's unlike any deco any Hot Rods/Rodimuses have ever sported. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:54, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

== Concept art ==

:''Don't know if unused concept art is mainpic worthy.'' (Carrion)

Aren't several unused WfC/FoC concept images currently being used as mainpics? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 18:30, 22 August 2013 (EDT)
:I think isn't the more pertinent question: is this art actually intended to be Hot Rod (and not an early Dino or something). I mean, we've seen DOTM Shockwave concepts labelled Blitzwing. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 18:45, 22 August 2013 (EDT)
::Well, the [http://www.ballisticpublishing.com/flipbook/mb_2/images/MB2_416x562_Page_131.png next page] has a Shockwave take ''labelled'' as Shockwave, along with a slightly different Hot Rod take and a Galvatron. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 18:53, 22 August 2013 (EDT)
:::We're not making raw concept art the mainpic for the character that doesn't exist outside of being a toy that's not based on that concept art and quite possibly was created without that concept art in consideration. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:27, 22 August 2013 (EDT)
:However, four years later, I am totally down with promoting the FTF picture to mainpic status. It's a lot nicer than the current one and we so rarely have good non-movie/non-concept art shots of movie characters to go up there. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 23:30, 22 August 2017 (EDT)

== Title ==

Permission to change it to Hot Rod (TLK)?{{unsigned|Skywarp Prime}}
:No. The character had a toy in the Dark of the Moon toyline first, so he's denoted as "DOTM". -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:55, 17 June 2019 (EDT)
::Hot Rod (TLK) already redirects here. If someone types that in it will bring them here anyways. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:40, 17 June 2019 (EDT)
Alright. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 15:49, 17 June 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
:What about making a page for DOTM Hot Rod and making this one for TLK Hot Rod? They aren't really the same character. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 09:27, 8 July 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
::No. There's no reason to split them up. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:32, 8 July 2019 (EDT)
::What possible benefit could there be to splitting them? As I mentioned before anyone looking for "Hot Rod (TLK)" is already brought here. Your proposal just leaves us with a tiny little stump of a page for the DOTM toy that will basically never grow and will just sit around doing nothing. Minimize therbligs. Whether DOTM or TLK its all in the movie continuity family. Unless they are demonstrably separate (ie shown at the same time as separate characters) there's no reason to split them. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:32, 8 July 2019 (EDT)
:::That's the trouble with grouping people by names instead of characters. TLK Hot Rod isn't based on G1 Hot Rod in any way. He's a separate character. Even though separating DOTM and TLK would leave a little stump for the DOTM Hot Rod, it's the logical thing to do. And yet, why do I get the feeling that people on this wiki will just switch it back every time someone makes the correction? [[User:Leo1452|King Kid]] ([[User talk:Leo1452|talk]]) 18:23, 4 April 2020 (EDT)
::::Exactly what part of his character are you seeing as different? He's a young (contemporary of Bumblebee) Autobot, he's friends with the Witwiccans (Witwickys and their associates), and does stunt driving through the city. That sounds like the young, turbo-revving Autobot who was best friends with Daniel Witwicky to me. And Hasbro even decoed one of his toys with the G1 character's chest deco. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:24, 4 April 2020 (EDT)

== Move ==

I find that having this article be named after such an obscure and irrelevant toy over the much more prominent movie Hot Rod is very user unfriendly and clunky. The page should have a TLK disambig as this is how 99% of the userbase is gonna search for the article and it's the mayority of the page's content anyways. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 14:51, 4 December 2022 (EST)
:Which the existing redirect takes care of. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:06, 4 December 2022 (EST)
:Disambigs aren't there to aid search, they're there to keep characters with the same name separate. If people are searching for a character, there is a disambiguation page they can check. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:29, 4 December 2022 (EST)
The page should just be at TLK to begin with, there is zero reason a single Legends class figure should take any kind of prominence over the actual film appearance. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 16:41, 4 December 2022 (EST)
:The reason is that the DOTM tag is consistent with our naming conventions. The TLK one isn't. That's all the reason we need. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:12, 4 December 2022 (EST)
::"Because we've always done it this way" ain't exactly a convincing argument. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 11:00, 5 December 2022 (EST)
:::No one has put forward an argument as to why we should change the criteria, so the fact that the criteria say to do it this way is enough. "I don't like the criteria" is not a reason to change them. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:08, 5 December 2022 (EST)
::::Because a Legends class figure with absolutely zero connection to the film character aside from the name has zero business being what dictates what the disambig should be, and I said as much earlier. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 13:51, 5 December 2022 (EST)
:::::As I said, your dislike of the way we do things is not a convincing argument either. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:22, 5 December 2022 (EST)
:::::We've already moved several characters from (WFC) to (Prime) and many from (BWU) to (IDW) and (G1) for the sake of user accessibility, there's plenty of precedent to fall back on. DOTM Hot Rod is not a character who appeared in media. It's a G1 toy sold with DOTM branding in a multipack and a single namedrop in the BotCon Megatron bio. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 14:47, 5 December 2022 (EST)

Talk:Hot Rod (DOTM)

2022-12-04T19:51:03Z

MrRald:

Hot Rod (DOTM)

2022-12-04T19:46:12Z

MrRald:

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{{move|Hot Rod (TLK)|Article is named after a walmart exclusive multipack Legends Class toy}}
{{disambigm|Hot Rod (disambiguation)|Rodimus (disambiguation)}}
:''Hot Rod is an [[Autobot]] from the [[live-action film series]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:TLK-Hot-Rod-art.jpg|thumb|right|250px|''Oui oui, mon ami, je m’appelle'' Hot Rod <br/>The Lancelot of the Autobot squad <br/>I came from [[Cybertron (planet)|afar]] just to say ''bonsoir'' <br/>Tell the [[Megatron (Movie)|king]] ''"casse-toi"'' <br/>Who's the best, ''c’est moi'']]
'''Hot Rod''' (aka '''Rodimus''' and '''Rodimus Prime''') is a brash and slightly arrogant Autobot protector working closely with Sir [[Edmund Burton]].<ref>http://news.tfw2005.com/2016/08/04/hot-rod-coming-transformers-last-knight-321051]</ref> In the past, he was [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]'s brother-in-arms, as the two have fought in many battles together. Brave and patient, he has been undercover on [[Earth]] for a long time after having been assigned to watch over [[Viviane Wembly]], who he has grown very fond of.

In addition to regular weapons, Hot Rod possesses a special weapon that can create temporary temporal bubbles in which time slows to a crawl. He also finds his inability to get rid of his hated French accent a source of constant frustration.

==Fiction==
===''The Last Knight'' film===
{{voiceactor|[[Omar Sy]] (English), [[Yōhei Tadano]] (Japanese)|[[Michel Elias]] (European French), [[Frédéric Desager]] (Canadian French), [[Oliver Feld]] (German), [[Pasquale Anselmo]] (Italian), [[José Antonio Macías]] (Latin American-Spanish), [[Miquel Sitjar]] (Castilian Spanish), [[Rodrigo Oliveira]] (Portuguese)}}
[[File:TLKWW2Flashback.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Here is what I have that Shockwave doesn't: both of my arms, depth perception, and a pulse!]]
Hot Rod was an [[Autobot]] warrior who had been on [[Earth]] for some time. At some point after arriving on the planet, he somehow picked up a [[France|French]] accent that he did not know how to get rid of, something that caused him much frustration. Along with [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], he joined the Allies in [[World War II]]; using their vehicle modes to infiltrate a Nazi convoy and attack an occupied Nazi command post. Their adventures in the war were documented and covered up by the [[Order of the Witwiccans]], who had covertly monitored Transformer activity on Earth for centuries.

[[File:TLK-CitroenHotRod.jpg|thumb|250px|Qu'est que c'est?]]
In the modern day, Hot Rod had become the primary confidant of the surviving Witwiccans, working closely with [[Edmund Burton]] and the father of [[University of Oxford]] professor [[Viviane Wembly]]. As Wembly was, in reality, the last living descendant of the ancient [[Merlin]] and thus the only one able to wield his Cybertronian staff, Hot Rod became her deep cover bodyguard, spending years disguised as her Citroen and coming to admire her. Following the disappearance of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and the impending awakening of [[Unicron]], Burton tracked him down and told him the time to recruit Viviane to fulfill her destiny had come. The next day, as she prepared to leave for work, Hot Rod sprang into action, locking her in and racing through the London streets. When she broke his window in an attempt to escape, he broke cover, begging her to stop. With his true nature revealed, she mistook him for a [[Decepticon]] and grew more frantic in her escape, wondering aloud if he was "[[Soundwave (ROTF)|one of the]] [[Shockwave (Movie)|famous ones]]". He grew angrier as she continued to try and escape, and on the way, he scanned and upgraded into a new Lamborghini Centenario vehicle mode.

[[File:TLK-HotRodAndViviane.jpg|thumb|left|250px|That would be your mother.]]
He arrived with her at Burton's castle, mere seconds after the arrival of [[Cade Yeager]] and his old comrade Bumblebee. He transformed and attempted to calm the frantic Viviane, who he thought was being very difficult. After things had calmed down a bit, he formally introduced himself to Viviane, though she found understanding his accent very hard. He once again bemoaned his inability to get rid of the hated accent.

[[File:TLK-HotRodsWeapon.jpg|thumb|250px|Gentlemen.]]
When the [[Transformers Reaction Force|TRF]] and [[Secret Intelligence Service|MI6]] tracked them down and stormed the castle, Hot Rod volunteered to buy time to cover their escape, using his time bubble gun to slow down their pursuers while the group made their escape. The humans and Autobots raced to [[London]]'s {{w|Royal Navy Submarine Museum}} in search of a working water vehicle. When they found themselves pursued by the authorities on arrival, Hot Rod volunteered to lead them away so the others could continue the search for the Staff.

He later made his way to [[Stonehenge]] and joined with the other Autobots, humans, and [[Guardian Knight]]s. The returned [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] rallied them all to save Earth from [[Quintessa (TLK)|Quintessa]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s plan to drain [[Unicron]], who resided within the planet, of energy to restore the recently arrived [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. En route to Cybertron, he and the other Autobots were not impressed by the intimidating knights. As the battle began, he rode an [[Orbital Assault Carrier]] as they took on the airborne Decepticons.

[[File:TLK-HotRodGun.jpg|thumb|left|250px|You have not seen the last of Le Quack.]]
He was eventually shot down by [[Infernocus]] but survived and joined Optimus's charge on the control chamber, congratulating [[Sqweeks]] on his destruction of the enemy gun emplacement. He was very happy to see Viviane had returned rather than flee with the TRF. As the battle raged in the unstable chamber, he used his time gun to freeze Megatron, saving [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]]'s life. Quintessa and Megatron were quickly defeated and his beloved Viviane retrieved the Staff. As the control center fell to Earth, he managed to save Viviane and Cade from falling to their deaths by freezing them with his gun, buying them just enough time to be grabbed and flown to safety by Optimus. He and the other Autobots managed to survive the crash of the control center and soon bid farewell to the humans as they left to return home to Cybertron. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}
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===''Timelines''===
In a universe where [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] died in the Battle of [[Chicago#Dark of the Moon film|Chicago]], Rodimus took the mantle of Prime, ultimately defeating [[Megatron (Movie)#TransTech|Megatron]] in a struggle atop a [[space bridge]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Megatron (Movie)#TransTech|Botcon 2015 Megatron bio card}}

===Toy bios===
Hot Rod does not look back on the victories he has won, but only the feats that are yet to come. A relentless warrior, he charges into full force in a firegight and is eager to encounter his next chance to be a hero. {{storylink|#Deluxe|''The Last Knight'' Deluxe Autobot Hot Rod}}

During [[World War II]], Hot Rod teamed up with Bumblebee to provide serious firepower during an assault on an enemy stronghold they infiltrated, during which they unleashed the war machines within. {{storylink|#Studio Series|WWII Hot Rod}} {{storylink|Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#SS26|''Studio Series'' WWII Bumblebee}}

When Bumblebee clashed with [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]], he put together a plan to take care of the Decepticon once and for all. A plan that somehow involved Hot Rod, who was present in the area. {{storylink|#Dark of the Moon|Bumblebee / Soundwave with Rodimus}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers: Forged to Fight''===
[[File:ForgedToFight-Hot Rod.jpg|thumb|250px|"Does this remind you of anything, ''monsieur''?"]]
Hot Rod was one of the Autobots pulled from [[Live-action film series|his universe]] by the [[Quintesson]]s and forced to fight. He eventually joins the [[You|Commander]]. There are at least a few of him running around! As a Warrior, his signature Time Bubble Cannon decelerates enemies preventing them from Evading, and can Accelerate his own Power Rate. {{storylink|Transformers: Forged to Fight}}

{{storylink|Transformers: Forged to Fight|A Question of Loyalty - Chapter 2: Volatile Reunion - Uncharted Territory}}
{{storylink|Transformers: Forged to Fight|Brothers At Arms}}
{{storylink|Transformers: Forged to Fight|Bring Him Home}}
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==Toys==
===''Dark of the Moon''===
[[File:DOTMCyberverseRodimus.jpg|thumb|right|300px|"I'm French! Why do you think I have zis ''outrrrrrageous'' accent?"]]
*'''Bumblebee / Soundwave''' with '''Rodimus''' (Cyberverse 3-pack, 2011)

:''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' "Rodimus" is a redeco of the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Rodimus]], transforming into an orange sports car. On the United States market, he is only available as a [[Walmart]] exclusive, as the "Bonus" figure in a pack with [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#BeeSoundwaveRodimus|Bumblebee]] and [[Soundwave (ROTF)/toys#Cyberverse|Soundwave]]. This three-pack was also available as an Asda exclusive in the United Kingdom, from Rossmann stores in Germany and from Auchan stores in Hungary and Italy. Of note is that the [[Multilingual packaging|European packaging]] does ''not'' market Rodimus as a "bonus figure" (presumably so stores can charge full price for three toys), and his window lacks the yellow edges highlighting him as a special feature, despite still being separated from Bumblebee and Soundwave, who share a common window like in the U.S. version. Despite this, Rodimus still doesn't get a mention on the back of the packaging, which only features a one-sentence "bio" about Bumblebee planning to bring down Soundwave in twelve different languages.

:All versions of the packaging also lack any logos that label the toys as [[Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]] products.

:This sculpt was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Smokescreen (Movie)|Smokescreen]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/WMLegRodimus/rodimus.htm More information on Rodimus at TFU.info]''
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===''The Last Knight''===
[[File:TLK-toy TTC-HotRod.jpg|right|thumb|300px|"Yup, it's ze whopper alright."]]
*'''Autobot Hot Rod''' (Tiny Turbo Changer, [[2017]])
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Bag Code'': '''P'''

:Released in Series 2 of [[blindpacking|blindbagged]] [[Tiny Turbo Changers]], ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (toyline)|The Last Knight]]'' "Autobot Hot Rod" is a small soft-plastic transformable figure based that changes from robot to luxury sports car in a few simple steps. He has articulated shoulders and his hands can grip 3mm posts and other small accessories. Like all Tiny Turbo Changers, he can't roll in vehicle mode.

:He shares the same transformation and engineering with [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Tiny Turbo Changers|Bumblebee]] and [[Barricade (Movie)/toys#Tiny Turbo Changer|Barricade]]. This mold is also used to make [[Dino#Movie Edition|''Movie Edition'' Autobot Dino]].

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[[File:TF-TLK-Turbo-Changer-2-pack-Hot-Rod.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Seriously, turning back into a car is ''very difficult''!"]]
*'''Bumblebee & Autobot Hot Rod''' (1-Step Turbo Changer 2-pack, 2017)
:''The Last Knight'' 1-Step Turbo Changer Autobot Hot Rod is a retool of ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)|Age of Extinction]]'' One-Step Changer [[Lockdown (ROTF)#OneStepChangers|Lockdown]], transforming from vehicle to robot by pressing a button on his vehicle mode. His only articulation is the elbows, which can only pivot up and down. After transforming into robot mode, Hot Rod needs to transform back into vehicle in two steps: Push down the button again while clamping the vehicle parts together by hand to make it secure.

:Hot Rod is entirely cast in a reddish shade of gunmetal plastic despite stock renders showing him possessing over-saturated midnight blue plastic.

:Like most of his figures from ''The Last Knight'', 1-Step Hot Rod was released as part of the exclusive ''Autobots Unite'' subline imprint. This figure was only available in a 2-pack with a redeco of 1-Step Turbo Changer [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#AutobotsUnite2Pack|Bumblebee]]. For the United States, the 2-pack was announced to be excusive to [[Walmart]], but was ultimately only available via Walmart's online store, and was found at discounter Ross around the same time. Internationally, the 2-pack was also available via other exclusive venues, namely Asda in the United Kingdom; Prisma in Finland; Walmart in Mexico; Bart Smit and Intertoys (owned by the same parent company) in the Netherlands; Intertoys in Germany; and ICA Hemma in Sweden.

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*'''Autobot Hot Rod''' (Turbo Change Series, [[July 21]], [[2018]])
**''ID number'': '''TC-10'''

:The One-Step Hot Rod toy was later re-released individually by TakaraTomy, under the ''Turbo Change Series'' lineup. The pins from the original Lockdown mold were most likely to be restored for activating the second Battle Command Optimus Prime toy's gimmicks.

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[[File:TF-TLK-FnC-Hot-Rod.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Hey Hasbro, don't you have better things to do now than retooling Lockdown's body for me?"]]
*'''Autobot Hot Rod''' (Flip & Change, 2017)

:''The Last Knight'' Flip & Change Hot Rod is a retool of ''Age of Extinction'' Flip & Change [[Lockdown (ROTF)#Robots in Disguise (2014)|Lockdown]] with a new head. He is a simplified toy that can auto-transform from an unlicensed approximation of a Lamborghini Aventador (rather than a Lamborghini Centenario LP770-4) into a Voyager-sized robot by pulling out the arms first, and then flipping the figure over itself. He features articulation on his arms and 5 mm compatible hands. As part of the "Autobots Unite" [[subline imprint]], he was exclusively available at [[Walmart]] in the United States and Canada, although he was apparently only ever available from Walmart's online store in Canada. In the United Kingdom, he was exclusive to Asda stores.

:Unlike the CG stock renders, the actual product had his inner forearm panels and most of the lower torso being cast in a lighter gray, which is screen-''in''accurate.

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[[File:TF-TLK-Legion-Class-Hot-Rod.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Ma Petite Chou-Fleur.]]
*'''Autobot Hot Rod''' (Legion Class, 2017)

:Released as part of Walmart's ''Autobots Unite'' subline, ''The Last Knight'' Legion Class Hot Rod transforms from a robot into a fictionalized Lamborghini Centenario with an added spoiler.

:[[File:TF-TLK-Legion-Class-Hot-Rod-package-comparison.jpg|left|upright=1.33|thumb|How annoying.]]
:Legion Hot Rod was released as part of the ''Autobots Unite'' [[subline imprint]] that was announced to be exclusive to Walmart in the United States. Like his Deluxe Class counterpart, Deluxe Hot Rod was only available via Walmart's online store, but never found in stores, which applies both to the United States and Canada. Other international exclusive venues include Asda in the United Kingdom; Prisma in Finland; Líder in Chile; and ICA Hemma in Sweden. In some of Hasbro's Asian markets such as China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan (but ''not'' in Malaysia), Hot Rod was available at general retail, still in ''Autobots Unite'' packaging. A general retail version in standard ''The Last Knight Premier Edition'' packaging was listed at [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]] and the public US Walmart website, complete with all-new stock photos, but ultimately never materialized.

:This is the closest to a realistically proportioned Hot Rod that is not repainted or retooled from another figure. It does, however, [[Retool#Shared engineering|have a very similar transformation]] to ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Sideswipe (RID)#Legion Class|Legion Class Sideswipe]].

:Unless you're transforming him properly, Hot Rod's painted crotch is prone to chipping if you press him down while rolling on flat surfaces.

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[[File:TF-TLK-Mission-to-Cybertron-Legion-Class-2-pack-HR&B-Hot-Rod.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Paint me <s>Ferrari Red</s> Magneta ASAP. So I can let [[Viviane Wembly|her]] ride in style!]]
*'''Autobot Hot Rod & Bumblebee''' (Legion Class 2-pack, 2017)

:This ''The Last Knight'' Hot Rod is a "stealth-themed" black redeco of the figure above. As a reference to his [[Hot Rod (G1)|Generation 1 namesake]], he features a flame tampograph (complete with an Autobot insignia) on his vehicle mode's front hood, as well as a yellow spoiler.

:This figure was only available in a two-pack with [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#MtCWalmart2pack|Bumblebee]], also under the ''Autobots Unite'' subline imprint. This set was ''intended'' to be [[exclusive]] to [[Walmart]] stores in the United States, but although it ''was'' stocked by the Walmart US online store, it supposedly never actually made it to brick and mortar Walmart stores, instead ending up at US discount retailers, primarily Ross stores. Internationally, it was available in Hong Kong (possibly as a non-exclusive general retail release), at Walmart's subsidiary Asda in the United Kingdom, as a Prisma exclusive in Finland, and as a Walmart exclusive in Mexico. It was also listed at the websites of Dutch retailers Bart Smit and Intertoys (owned by the same parent company), but again, it's unsure if it was ever actually released in the Netherlands.

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[[File:TLK-toy HotRod Deluxe.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|No thanks, I've had enough Cajun for one day.]]
[[File:TLK-HasCon17-Prototype-Deluxe-Hot-Rod-weapon.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Autobot Hot Rod''' (Deluxe Class, 2017)
**''TakaraTomy release date:'' '''[[September 16]], 2017'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''TLK-20'''

:''The Last Knight'' Deluxe Class Hot Rod is an ''extensive'' retool of ''Age of Extinction'' Deluxe Class [[Lockdown (ROTF)#Generations|Lockdown]], transforming into a Lamborghini Centenario. While almost the entire figure has been remolded, the lower legs and feet as well as some internal structuring parts remain unchanged. Along with added transformation steps, Hot Rod's new tooling makes him ''substantially'' taller than the original mold taking it from being one of the shorter Deluxe molds to being one of the tallest Deluxes in the line.

:[[File:TF-TLK-Deluxe-Hot-Rod-packaging-variants.jpg|left|upright=1.33|thumb|"And you'd better stay close to me, little lady."]]
:Both the Walmart-exclusive ''and'' the Japanese release's box art is strange in that it features a CG render of Hot Rod and Bumblebee standing side-by-side. However, Bumblebee is at the forefront and is far more prominent. Unlike most modern instruction pamphlets, Hot Rod's instructions are printed in full color on the Hasbro version. The instructions on the TakaraTomy version, on the other hand, opt for the usual monochrome.

:Hot Rod is the only ''Premier Edition'' Deluxe Class figure to have a full-length bio on his box. As for the regular release, he features the same default ''Premier Edition'' style box that most figures use, omitting the bio. Uncommon for Deluxe Class toys, the figure also does ''not'' include any weapons or accessories. However, grey prototypes displayed at [[HasCon 2017]] show he originally came with a cannon similar to Lockdown's, but with additional parts to add a peg on the side of the cannon and to fill in the gap for Lockdown's head.

:Hot Rod was released as part of the ''Autobots Unite'' subline imprint that was announced to be exclusive to Walmart in the United States. Like his Legion Class counterpart, Deluxe Hot Rod was only available via Walmart's online store but never found in stores, although he later appeared at Ross and Ollie's stores in mid-2018. In Canada, where he was also exclusive to Walmart, he ''did'' eventually see a retail release after being available from Walmart's online store for several months. Other international exclusive venues include Asda in the United Kingdom; Otto Simon and its subsidiary Top1Toys in the Netherlands; Bodega Aurrera in Mexico; Prisma in Finland; Dráčik in Slovakia and the Czech Republic; and ICA Hemma in Sweden. In Hasbro's Asian markets such as Taiwan, Singapore, and Hong Kong, Hot Rod was available at general retail, still in ''Autobots Unite'' packaging. A general retail version in standard ''The Last Knight Premier Edition'' packaging was listed in Toys"R"Us's systems and later also at [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]] and the public US [[Target]] and Walmart websites, complete with all-new stock photos. Thus far, the figure has only been available in this packaging in mainland China and the Philippines.
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===''Bumblebee''===
[[File:EnergonIgnitersSpeedHotRod.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|You know things are bad for good ol' Rod when the best he gets even in the smallest size class is a remake of an 11-year old figure.]]
*'''Autobot Hot Rod''' (Speed Series, 2018)

:Released as part of the ''[[Transformers: Bumblebee (toyline)|Bumblebee]]'' Energon Igniters line, Speed Series Hot Rod transforms from robot to '80s muscle car, with engineering highly reminiscent of the original 2007 [[Barricade (Movie)/toys#Legends Class toys|Legends Class Barricade]] toy. Like other Speed figures, he can use the Cores of larger Energon Igniters figures as a small towable trailer. and due to the toy being lightweight, it can propel his vehicle mode forward very quickly.

:Like Camaro Bumblebee and his rival Barricade, Hot Rod also features pinned wheels instead of the simple-assembly ones. As the port is 5mm compatible, Hot Rod can mount with other smaller weapons with the same post size, making him an efficient weapon-towing vehicle. Due to the placement of the core's hole, Hot Rod had his port sticking out from his left knee, which makes it glaring in robot mode, but more convincing as a "jet booster" in vehicle mode. Hot Rod's car roof has a special tab-hole, which is intended to be used for Barricade's light-bar.

:This mold was retooled from [[Barricade (Movie)/toys#Energon Igniters|Energon Igniters Speed Barricade]].

:Unlike the Power Series figure below, Speed Series Hot Rod had a rather spotty distribution in Malaysia: While he was first available (in ''very'' limited numbers) in some stores like Parkson & Isetan, Hot Rod is the only Speed Series figure that never saw release in many [[Toys"R"Us]] stores after the lineup hit shelves on December 2018, making it an ''extremely'' rare figure. If you're lucky enough, you still can find him somewhere (albeit in VERY limited quantities) in late 2019.

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[[File:EnergonIgnitersPowerHotRod.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"I'm just a little stiff."]]
*'''Autobot Hot Rod''' (Power Series, 2018)

:Standing at approximately five inches, ''Bumblebee'' Power Hot Rod transforms into a black and red muscle car loosely based on the first-generation Chevrolet Camaro. As with other Power Series figures, he can interact with the Cores of larger Energon Igniters toys.

:The figure shares tooling with the concurrently released [[Dropkick (Movie)#Bumblebee|Energon Igniters Power Dropkick]] and was later retooled into [[Shatter#Energon Igniters|Shatter]].
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===''Studio Series''===
[[File:TF-Generations-Studio-Series-50-WWII-Hot-Rod.jpg|upright=1.8|thumb|"Not bad fair an uld timair."]]
*'''WWII Autobot Hot Rod''' (Deluxe Class, [[2019]])
**''Movie'': '''''The Last Knight'''''
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''50'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SS-44'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': [[February 29]], [[2020]]
**''Accessories'': Blaster, "WWII Flashback" backdrop

:''[[Studio Series]]'' WWII Hot Rod is a retool of [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#SS26|WWII Bumblebee]], transforming into a {{W|Humber Light Reconnaissance Car}} rather than a Steyr-Daimler-Puch 2000 truck. Despite this, some of his robot body parts are based on the on-screen vehicle kibble. He also comes with a blaster that doubles as a vehicle mode artillery barrel. Due to the lack of the multiple-barreled handgun from the original mold, Hot Rod's turret swivel is left bare.

:Like WWII Bumblebee, Hot Rod also features a psuedo-[[Automorph Technology|Automorph gimmick]]: His front chest panel can be pushed up and down, retracting/extending his head as long it faces upwards. Also, due to his transformation scheme, Hot Rod is a [[shellformer]], with the majority of the vehicle shells hanging on his rear like a backpack. Speaking of vehicle shells, the "backpack" also blocks the tab hole for display stands unless it's slightly lifted up. His package artwork depicts him with two identical weapons despite the toy only coming with one.

:Like the rest of the figures in the same wave, Hot Rod first saw release in some Toys"R"Us shops in Malaysia.
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[[File:TF-Studio-Series-Deluxe-TLK-Hot-Rod.jpg|upright=1.8|thumb|"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUjGf2Grrus BONJOURRRRRRRRRRR, you cheese-eating surrender monkeys!]"]]
*'''Autobot Hot Rod''' (Deluxe Class, [[2022]])
**''Movie'': '''''The Last Knight'''''
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''93'''
**''Accessories'': Time gun, "London Escape" backdrop
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:''[[Studio Series]]'' Hot Rod is, surprisingly enough, NOT a retool of [[Lockdown_(ROTF)#Studio_Series|Lockdown]] from the same line, but rather his own dedicated mold, transforming into a licensed Lamborghini Centenario. Hot Rod comes with his "time gun", which can peg to the back of his vehicle mode.

:Undocumented, the magazine of the time gun can come off, somewhat making it resemble the other blaster Hot Rod occasionally used in the film. Also, for weapons storage options in robot mode, the time gun can be holstered on his hips by plugging it into the mushroom peg hole on either thigh using the same connecting peg on the gun that stores it in vehicle mode.

:The CGI model<ref name="IG"/> used to make this Hot Rod is the version seen in some promotional material (such as the image at the top of this page) instead of the final version used in the film. Most notably, the design of the shoulders, thighs, and inner calves are different from the film model.

:The small panels on his feet with sculpted exhausts tend to come off easily.

:Like most ''Studio Series'' figures, Hot Rod comes with a backdrop, which depicts the scene in [[London]] where Hot Rod diverts the [[Transformers Reaction Force|TRF]] and [[Secret Intelligence Service|SIS]] to buy Bumblebee time to get to the {{w|Royal Navy Submarine Museum}}.
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==Merchandise==
===Simba Smoby===
*'''Hot Rod''' (Die-cast Figurine, 2017)
:This Hot Rod is a 1/64 non-transforming robot mode figurine, and like [[MetaColle]] figures, he was made partially out of die-cast metal.
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*'''Hot Rod''' (Die-cast cars, 2017)
:This Hot Rod is a 1/64 non-transforming but screen-accurate vehicle mode based on his alternate mode seen in the film.
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===Jada Toys===
====''Metals Die Cast''====
{{note|All of the releases below are Walmart exclusives. The 1/24 and 1/32 scale cars also saw release in Japan in November 2017.}}
[[File:TF-TLK-Jada-1-24-Hot-Rod-Car.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Let's burn rubber, ''madame''!]]
*'''Hot Rod''' (Scale 1/24 Die Cast Vehicle, 2017)
**''Accessories'': Collectible coin
:Released by [[Jada Toys]], this 1/24 scaled non-transforming die-cast car with rubber tires is based on Hot Rod's licensed 2017 Lamborghini Centenario LP770-4 form and features opening doors, front hood and back trunk to reveal highly detailed interiors, including chromed engines and steering wheel. Similar to the ''Robot Powered Machines'', the car features a sculpted robot mode underneath.

:Hot Rod is available with and without a collectible coin with his face engraved on it.

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[[File:TF-TLK-Jada-1-32-Hot-Rod-Car.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Hot Rod''' (Scale 1/32 Die Cast Vehicle, 2017)
:A medium-sized replica of Hot Rod much similar to the version above. The opening gimmick is limited to the doors only.

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[[File:TF-TLK-Jada-Toys-1-64-Hot-Rod-car.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"We can't hold out forever, Viviane, but we can give them one humongous repair bill."]]
*'''Hot Rod''' (Scale 1/64 Die Cast Vehicle, 2017)
**''Accessories'': Display base
:A smaller, Hot Wheels/Matchbox-sized version of Hot Rod is also available. This version features only the robot mode's face sculpted underneath.

:He comes with his own display base with his picture printed on it. When aligned side-by-side with the other 1/64 bases, they create a unified backdrop.

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====''Nano Hollywood Rides''====
*'''Optimus Prime / Hot Rod / Crosshairs''' (1.65" Die Cast Vehicle 3-pack, <s>2020</s>)
:''Nano Hollywood Rides'' Hot Rod was to be a small non-transforming die-cast car measuring approximately 1.65 inches long, similar to but less detailed than the 1/64 scaled replica.

:Hot Rod was planned to be part of a 3-pack alongside [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/merchandise#Nano Hollywood Rides|Optimus Prime]] and [[Crosshairs (AOE)#Jada Toys|Crosshairs]], but the set was never released.
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==Notes==
[[File:JoshNizzi-WWIIHotRod.jpg|thumb|upright=0.8|''Voila''! Dr. Le Quack at your service. I go in, steal all their valuables and they won't remember.]]
*Concept art for "Hot Rod" appeared in the "Transformers 3" section of [[Massive Black Volume 2]], along with various other designs.<ref>http://www.ballisticpublishing.com/flipbook/mb_2/index.php</ref>
*Early ''The Last Knight'' concept designs for Hot Rod were labeled under the working name "Side Kick".
*''Dark of the Moon'' Rodimus was developed independently of Hot Rod, but shares the same article for simplicity and because they are both based off [[Hot Rod (G1)|Generation 1 Hot Rod]].
*In the WWII flashback of ''The Last Knight'', Hot Rod is shown to transform into a Steyr truck, but his robot-mode kibble is from an {{w|M8 Greyhound|M8 armored car}}. Strangely, unlike the case with Bumblebee, this does ''not'' appear to be a consequence of using [[Josh Nizzi]]'s original concept art (at right), which depicts Hot Rod using distinctive vehicle parts from an {{w|M4 Sherman|M4 Sherman tank}}.
*In various international dubs of ''The Last Knight'', Hot Rod is given a different accent in each one.
**In the European French dub, Hot Rod's accent is Italian.
**In the Canadian French dub, Hot Rod's accent is French-from-France.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Hot Rod''' (ホットロッド ''Hotto Roddo'')
*''Korean:'' '''Hot Rod''' (홋 로드 ''Hot Rodeu'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Huǒbào Rod''' (Taiwan, 火爆洛迪 ''Huǒbào Luòdí'', "Hot Rod"), '''Rè Pò''' (China, 热破, "Hot Break")
*''Ukrainian:'' '''Honschyk''' (Гонщик, "Racer")
*''Hungarian:'' '''Nagyágyú''' ("Hot Shot")
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==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*[https://www.instagram.com/p/Ba9JPhEF2uL/], [https://www.instagram.com/p/B9-LE_cl6gr/] Concept art for Hot Rod by Furio Tedeschi on Instagram
*[https://www.instagram.com/p/BXQMRrTBcyP/], [https://www.instagram.com/p/BYpKxMAjVay/] Concept art for Hot Rod's World War II body by Josh Nizzi on Instagram

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Talk:Sideswipe (G2)

2022-12-04T19:33:20Z

MrRald:

==Merge?==
They're both similar enough, they may look different, but both are technically clones of the original Sideswipe, both are technically G2 Sideswipe-as-separate-characters, and even the new toy could be viewed as a "retcon" to tie the two together. It's not like the two exist in the same continuity, so they can easily be alternate versions of eachother, with any differences in origin being chalked up to being akin to similarly different origins of G1 Marvel and cartoon Grimlock.[[User:Transfan 1992|Transfan 1992]] ([[User talk:Transfan 1992|talk]]) 08:14, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
::Heck, I'd take it a step further and suggest we also merge [[Sideswipe clone (G1)]], while we're at it. Different design, different origin, but could easily be seen as an alternate universe equivalent.[[User:Transfan 1992|Transfan 1992]] ([[User talk:Transfan 1992|talk]]) 08:19, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
:::I believe trying to put all of these Sideswipe “Clones" on the same page would be more confusing than helpful and I think the amount of technicallys you used kind of points to that. And admittedly some of the connections are fairly loose. Notably saying the IDW is similar enough to the G2 clone, since the IDW one isn’t a clone, but a naturally born Cybertronian Arcee named Sideswipe to honor her deceased friend’s memory, instead of being genetically crafted by mad science. And with the other Sideswipe Clone, if I understand it right, it’s not it’s own being, but rather built specifically to imitate Sideswipe, like the Optimus clone from the cartoon. [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 08:37, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
::::The differences in origin, with IDW being a natural born cybertronian rather than clone, could be chalked up to different origins like G1 Grimlock being from Cybertron in Marvel and built on Earth. Even so, both the other Sideswipes are explicitly evil clones of the original.[[User:Transfan 1992|Transfan 1992]] ([[User talk:Transfan 1992|talk]]) 08:44, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
:::::In your example, all of those Grimlocks are different takes on what is roughly the same character. Barber wasn't thinking of the G2 clone when he came up with the IDW child, nor were Wittenrich and Sinclair thinking of the Sideswipe clone from the storybook. All this would do is muddle things unnecessarily. [[User:Star Spangled Sam|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam|talk]]) 09:22, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
: Don't we often merge seemingly unrelated concepts alot of the time due to similarities? Alot of movie pages of characters were merged because they had similar toys or appearances in comics despite having different appearances, personalities and roles that could never be compatible with eachother.[[User:Transfan 1992|Transfan 1992]] ([[User talk:Transfan 1992|talk]]) 14:32, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
::We can always just make a note at the bottom?[[User:Transfan 1992|Transfan 1992]] ([[User talk:Transfan 1992|talk]]) 14:34, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
: I'm not really onboard with this proposal; I can maybe see the value of merging IDW Sideswipe with the G2 one, but not the storybook one. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 14:38, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
:: If anything the toy "retcons" the former two together, after all it's not like both clones appeared in BWU or something where we'd definitely have to say they're separate characters.[[User:Transfan 1992|Transfan 1992]] ([[User talk:Transfan 1992|talk]]) 17:34, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
If the pages aren't being merged, there's no reason for the WFC toy to be listed on the Jhiaxus clone page, is there? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 09:17, 6 December 2021 (EST)
: Since there's now actual fiction for the Covert Clone, I think this proposal is worth revisiting. Obviously don't merge in [[Sideswipe clone (G1)]], that's silly, but I think the two are conceptually similar enough to share a page, especially with the Covert Clone blurring the lines. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:48, 17 June 2022 (EDT)
I agree with a merge. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 14:33, 4 December 2022 (EST)

Talk:Super7

2022-09-08T01:27:40Z

MrRald: /* Covering lines on the company page or on individual pages */

==Covering lines on the company page or on individual pages==
So I didn't notice that we had individual pages for Ultimates and ReAction et al. when I added the Ultimates onto this page, but that raises a question for me. For other third party companies, like [[Flame Toys]] for example, we cover their stuff on the company's page. We don't have a separate page for Furai Model or whatever. Should information about Ultimates and ReAction be moved to this page or stay on their own pages? And if they stay on their own pages, should other individual lines by third parties get their own pages?[[User:Unitremover|Unitremover]] ([[User talk:Unitremover|talk]]) 20:46, 7 September 2022 (EDT)
:You are right. We do the same for [[Diamond Select]] and [[Art Storm]]. We do not need so much spread-out coverage of Super7 products. To my knowledge the only time we've had a "central repository" page ''and'' individualized pages for every merchandise offering is for [[Kabaya]], which has a much bigger and older history to tell than any of the others. I think it would be fine to transplant the Ultimates and Reaction content to here.--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 20:37, 7 September 2022 (EDT)
::Ye, merge em [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 21:25, 7 September 2022 (EDT)
:::Makes sense to me. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:26, 7 September 2022 (EDT)
I'm up for a merge [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 21:27, 7 September 2022 (EDT)

File:Overmatch Starscreamswordslice.jpg

2022-09-05T19:30:18Z

MrRald: MrRald uploaded a new version of "File:Overmatch Starscreamswordslice.jpg"

{{Armadacap|[[Hot Shot (Armada)/Cartoon_continuity|Hot Shot]] slices through [[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Starscream's]] sword.|Overmatch|2}}

Talk:Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers

2022-09-03T14:08:58Z

MrRald: /* Heavy editing */

How about the statement that Metrotitan is made of the ghosts of dead Decepticons? I know I've heard that thrown around a time or two back in the day.... [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thats Violinjyger and it's true.

Alright, how about something about how G2 is G2 and everything after the movie, while technically a second generation, is not "G2" (although I recall hearing that Pat Lee regarded it as such).--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 22:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

== Addition to the Beast Wars Section: Black Arachnia was inspired by an Asian stripper ==

Can some please add this? The guy from Mainframe said (you can find his post on A.T.T.) that their animator, WHO IS OF ASIAN DESCENT, was taken to a strip club before he worked on BA's animation model. There was NEVER any mention of an Asian stripper by ANYONE from Mainframe, EVER!
:I had forgotten this one, but it DID have a serious amount of play in the late 90's fandom... [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 07:42, 8 November 2010 (EST)
::90's fandom? I was hearing it through a good chunk of the 2000s. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 18:29, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
:::I just heard it a few days ago. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:38, 7 May 2013 (EDT)

== French Starscream ==

I went ahead and removed the entry about Starscream. First of all, while I don't know about Bigbot's reliability... the sound clips ARE legit. And the French source you pulled from TFW2005 referred to Starscream being male in the CARTOON (ie "episodes") rather than the movie itself, which used an entirely different dub team.

I'm French Canadian, all my ancestors came to Canada from France, between the ages of three and ten, I rented the movie in French every single time I was at my grandparents' house. So I know what I'm talking about here. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:I would also assume that the French fans interviewed to dispell that theory ALSO knew what they were talking about. And [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhOCYZRxypM this Youtube clip] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAodylu8rWw this other Youtube clip] don't make him sound very female to me. It's your word against both other French fans and evidence I just watched with my own eyes, man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::I dunno how many more bloody times I must say this, the French movie used a different dub team from either French dubs of the cartoon. I even pointed it out in Starscream's article. Yes, in the TV show he was a guy, but in the movie, the new dub team made him and Shrapnel girls. [http://www.bigbot.com/mp3/transformers_mp3.shtml#Femmes Listen to those clips for proof.] Those are legit from the TFTM I watched growing up. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

::::I tried to get Nevermore to clarify on this when he made the changes, but he was unable to provide more info. Can you confirm that Starscream was characterized / referred to as female in the movie, along with the feminine voice? I think it's important that we clarify the myth as "partly true" rather than just delete it, but I want to be sure we have it all nailed down. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Well, aside from the obvious voice, Megatron says to Starscream "Tu es une imbécile." In English, "an idiot" would be used to refer to a male or a female idiot, but in French the article varies in gender, were Starscream a male he would have said "Tu es un imbécile." instead of "une imbécile". ([[Wiki:French_articles_and_determiners#The_indefinite_article|French articles and determiners]])
:::::Shrapnel being female is OBVIOUS from the fact that Kickback calls him/her "Mademoiselle Shrapnel", which translates to "Miss Shrapnel".
:::::I'm trying to locate video clips of the French dub of TFTM to have more than just sound clips but so far I haven't found any... not sure where I could find a VHS tape in this day and age either... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::For those wondering why Shrapnel's being mentioned here, you can read [[Talk:Shrapnel_(G1)|this link]], which is how this whole issue was brought up in the first place. But note that I've never questioned (for I've had no reason to do so) movie Shrapnel's femininity.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 23:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

==Repackaged old toys==
I think we should also have something on the notion that new-packaging releases of older toys are old unsold items taken back from store shelves, pulled from their cards, and RE-packaged onto new cards. I mean, this HAS to be bullshit. But I'm not sure of the best way to phrase it, since it's not a ridiculous argument that comes up very often. I wonder if Kyde has any insights on this. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:20, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:I don't know that I've ''ever'' heard somebody claim that, but admittedly, I have been out of online TF discussions for a year or two, and have never read the web boards regularly. I think that unless this is something that actually comes up semi-frequently, there's not much reason to bring it up in the article. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::I've heard it said repeatedly that REDECOs are unsold toys that are sent back to Hasbro and repainted. Of course, I've only ever heard it said on Tformers. Those posters probably aren't competent enough to be held accountable for their actions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
::I've seen it several times over the course of years. Certainly more than I've seen "Shrapnel's a girl in France" and "Geman movie omitted Starscream's death"... which is never before the wiki. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, what Siph said. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I've recently had a discussion with a common friend of ours, who is a longtime hardcore collector with inside contacts, and even ''he'' believed in the "repackaged toys are REpackaged in the literal sense" theory until I pointed out to him how expensive that would be. So I agree with Sipher here that it deserves a place on this page.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 00:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

==Featured Article?==
If we can get a few pictures... like the catalog image of blue-sided Bluestreak, Raiden in the Headmasters cartoon, a few other things... I think this page should have Featured status. It's important shit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:54, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say all the reference links are going to need alternate text before we can safely call this a featured article.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 00:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

=="Confirmed" myths?==
Would it be worth it to add urban legends that are actually true? (I'm thinking here things like "Sunstreaker and Sideswipe's/Starscream and Skywarp's tech specs were swapped, there was a Unicron toy planned during G1 that had an Orson Welles voice chip, etc.) Some of those things almost reach the status of urban legends in the fandom (not as much as they used to, now that information is easier to come by, but still.) Also, we need to add "Armada was supposed to tie together all previous TF continuities" or whatever the dumb rumor was. Also, maybe something to explain exactly what the RTV dubs really are (made in Malaysia, not Singapore, did they REALLY air in Hawaii/Mexico/wherever as I've seen people claim, etc.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
: Also, "There was a Transformers breakfast cereal with Bumblebee-shaped marshmallows and when you poured milk on it, they changed from car mode to robot mode." A kid at my school SWORE he had eaten this. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
::I have no evidence for it but I DO remember seeing a Commemorative Sideswipe at TRU. Having no interest in G1 at the time I didn't buy it (though it might;ve been some other commemorative Autobot; I dunno for sure but my memory genuinly has the image of sideswipe).--[[User:BlackStarscream|BlackStarscream]] 01:27, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

==TF:TM soundtrack evidence of "lost" scene==
The 10 seconds in question are from 02:29 to 02:39 in "Death of Optimus Prime" on the original soundtrack CD. There was at least one other release of the soundtrack, right? Can anyone check and see if the mysterious sequence is there too? Or, hell, if anyone has heard of DiCola giving an alternate explanation, please disabuse me of the whole notion. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
:I'll have to dig out my copy of [[Lighting Their Darkest Hour: The Complete Music Score for TFTM]], but I seem to recall ''the entire album'' clocking in at several full minutes longer than the entire movie, and that's before one considers [[The Touch]] or any of the other songs. I recall from somewhere that DiCola once did an interview in which he talked about it being unusually difficult to score the film, and IIRC it was because he had to score based off of the storyboards rather than the finished footage. If so, it could be that DiCola simply over-estimated how long certain scenes would run and so scored for every sequence start-to-finish like that, at which point the score was trimmed to fit the actual timing for the sequences and to fit in around the other songs. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 18:19, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
::I just had a thought. We know that there were a number of scenes which made it as far as the storyboard stage before being cut. Could DiCola have been given these scenes to score as well? If so, then the combination of "DiCola scoring scenes that were cut" and "DiCola misjudging the length of each scene" could easily explain why the full score is so much longer than the actual movie. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 21:09, 10 July 2013 (EDT)

== Misconception? ==

"A misconception usually held by casual fans or nostalgic adults is that of the original 1980's cartoon being the best fiction and most influential/successful line to date, with all other successors being unpopular and/or unsuccessful ventures.
Some of this misconception is based on the fact that most of the original audience stopped watching and following the franchise after its cancellation, or even before (as it wasn't "cool" to be kiddy once the puberty hit). Without any exposure to the market, the toyline and the new cartoons, they simply assume that Transformers has sunk in both popularity, quality and sales, since it's not what they remember."

Any facts/sources to back this up? I'd bet that actual sales between the demise of G1 and Micheal Bay stepping in were significantly lower, which would seriously contradict what's being said here.

:According to lists that used to be published in Tomarts(?) magazine, Transformers has consistently placed in the top 3 boys toys properties since the beginning of Beast Wars. Robots in Disguise and Armada both reported record profits, though Energon and Cybertron didn't seem to match Armada's success. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:56, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
::How ''did'' Energon and Cybertron sell, anyway? It seems widely known that Armada sold like hotcakes, but nobody ever brings up the two sequels in that regard. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:44, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

==Team names and vowel breaks==
While I'm good with the "Seacons" inclusion... well, bot every Decepticon team had an "i" vowel break... like the Predacons. And not every team had a vowel break at all... like the Triggercons, and arguably the Firecons. On the other hand... were the Seacons the only ''two-syllable name'' team, where everyone else had three? Nothing else is springing to mind... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:Whether it's a "a" or an "i" is kinda moot; the point is that there ''was'' a break in all the teams before them. (FWIW, to a lazy Southern tongue like mine, the "i" and "a" are almost indistinguishable. It all comes out "uh-cons" regardless.) As for the contemporaneous Triggercons, there's no ambiguity in their name, as there's no vowel there to be misappropriated. Right or wrong, the extraneous "uh" in "see-uh-cons" comes from the "a" in "Sea". Last question: "Firecon" is only two syllables, innit? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::It's only two syllables if you're a dirty southerner. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::I'm a Southerner, and I say it "Fie-er". Any rate, the point is the current entry says "all teams had 'i' vowel breaks". Which ain't true... I'm more inclined to believe it's a "three-plus syllables" pattern. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::(D'oh. Terrorcons!) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::::See, I think we should start calling the Pretender Monsters the Pretendicons, just to keep with the pattern. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

==Soundwave's buttons==
I think there are actually two separate issues at work here. I'd always been under the impression that G1 Soundwave underwent a running change in both the U.S. and Japan--going from the distinct, inset early buttons to the big protruding single chrome block later. After that change occurred, the mold was altered to turn it into Soundblaster. That was why Hasbro said at first they couldn't use the tooling anymore--because the door had been changed. The Takara bookbox reissue solved this by making a new version with a hybrid single door / late chrome button style, and also keeping another version with all of Soundblaster's features still around. Have I completely misunderstood the issue? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:35, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

== R-rating ==

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=40510

Huh.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 07:13, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:Didn't they clarify that he was actually talking about Disturbia, Shia's OTHER PG-13 movie that came out that summer? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 14:19, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

== Plagiarizing ==

Yeah. [http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/blog/9107] [http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/blog/9113] [http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/blog/9160] [http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/blog/9169] Awesome work stealing our content and adding your poorly written own stuff, sucker!--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:56, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:I like how he added his own dumb "conclusions", which mostly contradict the copy+pasted text and are just completely wrong too. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 17:38, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
::I've talked with some Brian guy over at that site, and he says he'll be deleting the blogs. Victoly? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:46, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Hasn't happened yet.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:58, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Surprise! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:48, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Looks like it's been removed.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:10, 31 July 2009 (EDT)

== "Companies" section? ==

I've seen the misconception that Tomy bought Takara (rather than merging with them on equal terms) thrown around quite a few times...What else could go into such a section?

Additionally, thise page has grown quite large. Should we split it?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:12, 26 July 2009 (EDT)

==Variations in Europe==

''Some toys were exclusively (or predominantly) available in the United Kingdom (sometimes also the Netherlands)''

As I understand it, one of the reasons why this one may have taken root is because when the franchise began Hasbro in the UK and continental Europe were not yet integrated and so the releases were separate - I think the UK may have even begun the toys in late 1984 (which would explain why the comic began in September that year rather than waiting for the toys advertised to arrive the next). Most of the sightings of toys being available in one market but not the other, though in my experience tend to be cases of the UK not getting toys seemingly available on the continent - e.g. issue #60 of the UK comic reports Blaster being available in Germany with German tech specs - rather than the other way round. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 08:04, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

Agreed. I saw Trypticon and Bruticus box-set on sale in Greece, and Deluxe Insecticons and Shockwave in France circa 1986. None of these were ever available in the UK. [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 08:18, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
:But this section is not referring to European releases of regular US toys. It's referring to Euro-exclusive toys like the "Classic" reissues, Turbomasters etc.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 02:52, 9 May 2010 (EDT)

==Here's an old one I just remembered==
Since the Diaclone & Microchange molds have copyright dates from the 70s on them, the original toys are from the 70s as well. That one's been pretty well debunked by actual release date info, but we should probably have something on the wiki explaining the reason that toys from '82 were marked '78 or whenever. It's something to do with how Japanese patent or copyright law or whatever worked at the time, IIRC - since Microchange STARTED in the late 70s, all the toys, no matter whne they dropped, had the copyright date of the initial product. At least, I think that's how it worked. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 10:51, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
:Correct. Japanese copyright stamping at the time went by year of the brand's inception, not the year the toy per se was created. (I'm not sure if that's still the case in Japan. For any toys produced for non-Asian markets, it seems they're adhering to the date of manufacture rather than brand inception. At least, I can't recall the last time I saw a new TakaraTomy or Bandai toy with an old copyright date on it.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 11:01, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
::Right. and shortly after posting this, I see it's already on there. It seems like we might need a more logical organizing process for this thing - maybe a "pre-Transformers" section before G1 to cover stuff like this exactly. Kind of track it through the history of the series, rumors about pre-TF toylines first, then rumors about TF development (John Romita drawing the character models, f'rinstance) and then kind of an era-by-era as appropriate. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 11:40, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

== Blue Bluestreak ==

My brain is too fried from using Linux to make the appropriate edit right now and have it come out not terrible, but I think it's weird that the article acts like we have absolutely no idea why the rumor of a blue '''''Blue'''''streak would be more widespread than the rumor of a dark gray Astrotrain. (And this is the part where someone assumes I don't know what his name means.) --[[User:Andrusi]]

Because it DID exist as a Diaclone, and some rumors existed of a VERY FEW making it out in TF boxes, including an ex-Hasbro employee. See: http://tfsource.com/blog/diaclone-car-robots-part-1/ --[[User:Chrusher]]

== Can we get this page locked down? ==

Pages of this nature should never be open to anonymous edits, because somebody, somewhere, will take offense to us "lecturing them" on why they're wrong. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:51, 4 July 2010 (EDT)
:That probably won't stop them from making an account just to do the exact same thing anyway. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 16:49, 18 September 2010 (EDT)

== Japanese dub of Animated ==

Japanese Animated is a separate continuity from the Movieverse, right? But there was some early coverage that claimed otherwise, which still has people fooled? Is that correct?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:41, 30 October 2010 (EDT)

== "Transformers was nearly rated R by the MPAA." ==

It sounds like this is true, so does it belong here as a misconception or urban legend? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 02:00, 8 November 2010 (EST)
:Because it's Shia's OTHER film, Disturbia, that was almost rated R. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:08, 8 November 2010 (EST)

== Neo/Car Robots Connection- ==

While I am not disputing that it is not a direct sequel, it might be worth noting that this one does have *some* vague credence, as it does include time-travelling Predacons/Destron(gers) as well as the semi-cameo by Heinlad in the pilot. I would imagine that these elements were included, in part at least, to help the transition from the "Beast Era" fiction to generation-spanning mash-up land. Which, still, a sequel does not make, I grant you. But it might be worth mentioning that there are elements beyond "animation style" that point towards this misconception, the Heinlad 'cameo', especially--[[User:Destrongerlupus|Destrongerlupus]] 15:44, 12 November 2010 (EST)

== War for Cybertron is a prequel to the G1 cartoon/War for Cybertron is part of G1 ==

This section comes across as very pedantic, almost like "Hasbro declared it part of Prime, therefore it is. All the contradictions with the Prime cartoon and the similarities with G1 mean nothing, as they are overruled by Hasbro's official verdict". Yes, I know Hasbro has the last word, but seriously...--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 09:32, 28 November 2010 (EST)
:But that is the case. WFC has superficial similarities to G1 so casual fans automatically ASSume that it is part of that continuity. Hell, many of them don't realize that there are multiple G1 continuities. As the Prime franchise integrates and synthesizes elements from all previous continuity families, there are bound to be similarities to G1. However, the franchise is so new that it is hard to get a feel on what it is. Hasbro's statements as to what belongs where is all that we really have to go on as of yet. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:38, 28 November 2010 (EST)

::I think the section as it is currenty described is pointless. It is G1 cartoon-centric and the reasons why WFC is not G1 also apply to nearly all the G1 comics! [[Special:Contributions/82.15.221.203|82.15.221.203]] 11:56, 29 November 2010 (EST)
:::Except people don't seem to think that WFC is in Marvel or IDW continuity. When people think it's G1, they think it's cartoon G1. The only other G1 universe I ever see people try to fit it into is War Within, and the section discusses that as well. The reason for it being cartoon-centric is because most people are under the belief that it is part of the cartoon. WFC cannot fit into any G1 universe and it's confirmed to not be a new one. The comics, while presenting different views, are G1. WFC may seem like another interpretation, but that's been debunked. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:19, 29 November 2010 (EST)
:As I understand it, the creators were creating it as part of G1, as far as they were concerned. As far as I am concerned, creators of a licensed Transformers product made a G1 story, so it is a G1 story. The wiki's position on the matter really does boil down to "Hasbro declared it part of the modern continuity, therefore it is." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:52, 29 November 2010 (EST)
::It was ''specifically a sequel to the original cartoon'', as far as the video game folks were concerned, despite the Jetfire and the Aerialbots and the Stunticons and the totally new origin for Optimus prime. The video game folks can be wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:59, 29 November 2010 (EST)
:::So it had a sloppy/loose, video-game-level of attention to continuity. The cartoon itself has conflicting origins. Anyway, the section should probably say something about the video game folks and their press statements, since the "War for Cybertron is G1" myth didn't come out of nowhere. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:08, 29 November 2010 (EST)
Here's a possible rephrasing: "High Moon Studios, the creators of the WFC game, intended for it to be a prequel to the G1 Sunbow cartoon, and the two share some broad similarities (though they are irreconcilable in detail). However, Hasbro has declared that WFC is a micro-continuity in the Prime franchise, not G1, and ''ex cathedra'' pronouncements from Hasbro trump authorial intent." [[User:JW|JW]] 14:23, 29 November 2010 (EST)
:I think it's more likely that they advertised it as being part of the cartoon, because that's the most well-known Transformers fiction and would appeal to 80s kids. I don't know how it can be developed as a prequel considering the blatant inconsistencies. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 14:36, 29 November 2010 (EST)
::War Within is a "G1 prequel" even though it clashes with the cartoon. The difference is that there's actual "G1" fiction that is in continuity with War Within (namely, Dreamwave G1). Besides, War for Cybertron clashes with the Prime cartoon just as much as it clashes with the G1 cartoon, so the only thing we have is Hasbro's official word overruling it. Aaaaaaaand then we have the recent case of Hasbro stating that various characters aren't in the movieverse despite official fiction placing them there. So yeah.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 07:17, 2 December 2010 (EST)
:::Thinking about it again, I think the main problem I have is that pretty much everything else on this page is blatantly false and directly disproven by factual evidence. In the case of WFC, all we have is Hasbro in their ever-vague continuity mish-mash official-speak declaring it part of the Prime continuity. Since this is the same Hasbro that claims Hunt for the Decepticon toys who appeared in movieverse fiction or who are tied to movieverse characters via their bios aren't part of the movieverse, I'd say we require more substantial evidence for this to actually belong on this page as a cut-and-dry "misconception". The only other comparable case I can think of is "Car Robots is a Beast Wars Neo sequel", where we list all the arguments disproving it and then only mention the official Takara retcon-via-official-timeline in a postscript sentence.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 10:45, 2 December 2010 (EST)
::::Yea, I don't see how anyone can say "WFC is G1" is blatantly false after watching [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctkjNF9JSPE this commercial]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:36, 3 December 2010 (EST)
:::::I don't see how that commercial proves which continuity the game fits in. Yes, it is obviously HOMAGING G1, but that doesn't make it G1. The Prime franchise draws inspiration from everything that came before. If anything, Starscream's comment "Again?" would point to it NOT being G1. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:05, 4 December 2010 (EST)
::::::You are assuming WFC is part of Prime's continuity and then saying WFC homages G1 because Prime's continuity draws from everything that came before. The question is whether WFC is part of Prime. I think the commercial is promoting WFC as G1. Hasbro says WFC is part of the "modern continuity". I used to think that meant something close to "in continuity with the Prime cartoon", but after the latest Q&A, I'm not exactly sure what "modern continuity" and "[[Hasbro Q&A/November 2010: Answers|modern world continuity]]" are supposed to mean. Hasbro just doesn't think in the same terms regarding categories.
::::::I think if the wiki just looked at WFC itself and how it was promoted, it could easily be put in the G1 continuity family, at least as much as IDW. IDW has different origins for Galvatron, Cyclonus, Goldbug, Headmasters. It homages Pretenders and female Transformers and easter-eggs Action Masters ("[[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1|altmodes are for wimps]]") without any actual (confirmed?) Action Masters. The Micromasters aren't even Cybertronian Transformers. Then there's [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=143991#143991 this]:
::::::{{quote|I don't consider IDW's take as "G1". the stories are not a continuation of the ones from the 80's cartoon or the Marvel stuff. they didn't crash on earth 4 millions years ago and get lodged in a volcano, it doesn't even fit into Beast wars. sure it's got the same names and elements from G1, but that can also be said with every other series that came and went since G1. Armada, Energon, Cybertron, Animated, the Movie.. All have elements of G1 in them, all have an Optimus who's a red truck and there's a Yellow car that younger people can relate to. references to Matrixes, Unicrons..etc, but they're not G1.|DonFig}} Don's reasoning for IDW not being G1 is the exact same sort of stuff in this article about WFC not being G1, yet IDW is still classified as G1. I'm not saying the wiki should reclassify IDW. I'm just saying that saying "WFC is part of G1" isn't some obvious myth. Maybe the wiki should just classify War for Cybertron as its own thing with notes saying the developers considered it in the spirit of Generation 1 and Hasbro kinda sorta lumped it in with modern stuff. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:03, 4 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::Actually that's not what I was saying, I'll try to clarify. That commercial has a design sense that is clearly influenced by G1. Starscream's "again?" comment shows that it is not actually G1, and is thus an homage. Other elements of the game are homages of other parts of TF history (Demolishor and Slipstream for Armada and Animated for example). This mix of homages to various eras is similar to that seen in the Prime cartoon. Hasbro's comments that WFC is part of Prime's continuity family clarifies all of the above. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:19, 4 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Except that Hasbro ''also'' says that certain characters ''aren't'' part of the movieverse but belong to the "modern-world continuity" even though they appeared in official movieverse fiction. So if Hasbro is giving out contradictory information, how can we consider something that hinges entirely on Hasbro's official world "definite"?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:33, 4 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::I think you are reading too much into Starscream's "Again?". I didn't think that when I heard it. It is just Starscream upset because Shockwave is going to request "The Touch" again or something. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:17, 4 December 2010 (EST)

Pretty much the entire purpose of Exodus is to lay the foundation for this new "modern continuity" by taking War for Cybertron's story and differentiating it from G1. This is a ''conscious effort'', folks. It's not like we're just taking one statement and running with it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 16:21, 4 December 2010 (EST)
:So if Exodus took the War for Cybertron story and de-G1-ified it, where does that leave War for Cybertron itself? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:38, 4 December 2010 (EST)
::As the backstory to Prime. WFC may not have originally been ''intended'' as that, but Exodus is the link that establishes it as the first bit of Hasbro's ''new'' continuity rather than a continuation of a prior continuity.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:51, 4 December 2010 (EST)
:::There's also their identical Cybertron designs: [[Cybertron_(planet)#Prime]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:23, 7 December 2010 (EST)
The current rewrite pleases me. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:11, 6 December 2010 (EST)
:''Some have taken this misconception further and believed War for Cybertron is an actual prequel for the original cartoon.'' ... for example, the game developers themselves! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:20, 6 December 2010 (EST)
::Much better now. The only thing missing as far as I'm concerned is a note on Hasbro's own murky attitude towards "continuity" (PCCs and HftD characters allegedly not being part of the movieverse) and the whole wibbly-wobbly nature of the whole shebang.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:51, 7 December 2010 (EST)
::: That'd be a whole 'nother topic heading, and I'm not sure "The notion of separate and well-defined continuities is far more developed in fandom and on this wiki than within the walls of Hasbro, and thus we are obsessively mapping boundaries that don't really exist," is a topic we'd have much fun visiting. [[User:JW|JW]] 07:08, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::: [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-prime-discussion/346862-seems-hasbro-changed-their-mind.html MY BRAIN HURTS]--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:00, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Well of course they're not in continuity. BUT that doesn't mean they don't belong to the same continuity family. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:08, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Hasbro ''UK''. Who has all of ''no'' say in anything along those lines. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:11, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::Why would Hasbro UK have any less say about continuity than, say, Takara, whose pronouncements we document?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:28, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::PS: I'm not saying that we should take it too seriously, there's the whole 'private correspondence' thing, I'm just finding the idea that Hasbro UK has no say in the matter odd.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:30, 7 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::The massive ineptitude and halfassery that they carry themselves with in everything they do, say or have any part of. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:32, 7 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Takara creates things. Hasbro US creates things. They are both proactive partners in creating Transformers IP. Hasbro UK is their dumb unemployed cousin who can't keep his thumb out of his own ass. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:34, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=75073&st=0 Hasbro US agrees.] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:12, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Can we at least agree that this whole thing is vastly confusing, Hasbro's official stance has flaws and there's been contradictory information given out by the dumb unemployed UK brother?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 11:03, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Also: [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-prime-discussion/346862-seems-hasbro-changed-their-mind-8.html#post5453604] From Pete Sinclair: {{quote|What I have been told is one continuity, the modern continuity, containing these 3 stories. Hasbro does not deal with Universal streams or continuity families. They only deal with, and are concerned with, the modern continuity...}}--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:24, 8 December 2010 (EST)
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::::::HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:17, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Yes, because e-mail correspondences with marketing guys (from Hasbro UK, no less) are reliable arbiters of Transformers information. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:58, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::More insanity: [[Cliffjumper (Prime)]] has a link in his toy entry to [[Cliffjumper (G1)]], implying that Takara's United version of Generations Cliffjumper represents an incarnation of G1 Cliffjumper. Is there any evidence supporting this, or are we automatically assuming that all Takara toys represent incarnations of G1 characters unless explicitly stated otherwise? To make matters more complicated, G1 Cliffjumper's page contains no entry for United Cliffjumper.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:25, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::[http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/products/united/un01.html The website links between "Earth Mode" and "Cybertron Mode" toys.] Takara doing their own thing is not a new occurrence. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 08:34, 8 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::For what it's worth, [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=74770 Figure Oh!] explicitly advertises Cliffjumper as appearing in the DS version of WFC.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 10:29, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Not worth a lot. They're simply pointing out the real-world genesis of the toy. Frankly, IF we see any kind of fiction-use of said models, it'll likely be in some manga set in some continuity that is just as irreconcilable (or blatantly new) as Henkei was... if it's not set in Henkei's timeline anyway. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:15, 8 December 2010 (EST)

== Transformers Prime Toyline existence==

Should the persistent belief that Transformers: Prime will not have a toyline be added here, or is it only TFW that gets like five threads devoted to that topic on a daily basis? -[[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 11:05, 30 November 2010 (EST)
:Until there is an announced toyline, instead of the "We're not making toys" one we got, it's not a misconception or an urban legend. It's fact based on the available information [[User:Eire]] 16:18 30 Nov 2010.
:: THEY NEVER SAID THEY WEREN'T MAKING TOYS. NEVER EVER. Jesus Christ, in the exact same panel in which people THOUGHT Hasbro said they weren't making toys, Eric Siebenaler even said that he couldn't wait for people to see Bulkhead Prime's action figure! ALL THEY SAID WAS THAT THEY WERE '''NOT TALKING ABOUT TOYS RIGHT THIS MOMENT''', not that there would NEVER BE TOYS. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:22, 30 November 2010 (EST)
:::That's the thing, some people still believe that Hasbro isn't going to make any toys for the Prime franchise. I'd support the addition of a section clarifying this for those people. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:14, 30 November 2010 (EST)
::::Seems like the sort of thing that's going to have a relatively short lifespan, as we're probably going to see the Prime toys at Toyfair.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 12:31, 30 November 2010 (EST)
:::::At that point, the "Hasbro said they weren't making any Prime toys and they're liars!" begins. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:22, 30 November 2010 (EST)
::::::What are you getting so worked up about? If they said there are no toys in the works at the moment, it one doesn't contradict my statement of no sign of toys to come, because there isn't because they haven't revealed any, and two if it does contradict me, so what? It's exactly...nothing. Certainly nothing to get remotely excited about. Or is this mainstream forum backlash. I should point out, I avoid the big forums, so if this has been kicked up fifty billion times over there, I wouldn't know about it. [[User:Eire]] 18:31 30 Nov 2010.
:::::::I'm pretty sure someone from Hasbro (Aaron Archer?) said that there would be Prime figures, but they were holding off until after the current blitz of 2010/Generations/PCC and (possibly) the upcoming DOTM line. Can anyone back me up on this with a reference? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:44, 30 November 2010 (EST)
:::::::They never said "there are no toys in the works at the moment," they said they weren't talking about it.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 14:31, 30 November 2010 (EST)
::::::::This. This this this this this. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:59, 30 November 2010 (EST)
Now that you say it, I do think you're right, Walky. I'm probably always going to want to stab ''someone'' in the eyeball with a nail file over this. Which, I guess, is our criteria for this article, come to think of it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 04:23, 1 December 2010 (EST)

==Nimoy Unicron lines?==
I know it's been debunked over the years, but we probably ought to put the "Leonard Nimoy dubbed some of Orson Welles' lines because they were unusable" rumor to bed on this page somewhere. -hx at work

==Targets for bloat removal==
Okay, I'm putting together a list of items of dubious existence on this page. There's a lot of stuff that just seems... small. Certainly trivia-worthy on relevant pages, but not big enough to really warrant being here. Let's hear some arguments for keeping...
* Powermaster Optimus Prime was the first, original Optimus Prime toy.
* A "giant"-sized Optimus Prime toy was available during Generation 1.
* A winged variant of Sludge was available during Generation 1.
* The reissue Soundwave toys released by Takara are reverse-engineered from Soundblaster because the original molds are lost.
* Commemorative Series Side Swipe was found at Toys"R"Us stores in the USA.
* Some toys were exclusively (or predominantly) available in the United Kingdom (sometimes also the Netherlands).
:There's certainly some confusion about the way releases were handled on this side of the Atlantic, not least because it took time for the various markets and even companies to be aligned, and this has created confusion in later years when everything's been gathered under a single listing called "Europe". I'm not sure the current paragraphs really convey this well - indeed the myths in the 1980s and early 1990s (mainly through the UK letterspage) tended to be based around the continent getting toys the UK didn't rather than the other way round and some of this got reproduced in the internet era. But would "All countries in Europe received a single set of releases in the 1980s" be obscure in itself and/or oversummarising the mess? [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 15:48, 9 May 2013 (EDT)
* Transformers were meant as a "genderless" race. Arcee and the other female Transformers were added to the brand because feminists complained about the Transformers all being male. (''When the fuck was this ever proposed?'')
:I actually heard this from someone else a few years ago, so it's been making the rounds. Given that the G1 cartoon seemingly went out of its way to avoid adding female characters at first (no recurring female characters for 1984, and Carly not appearing until several episodes into the 1985 season) while other franchises were gender-integrated from the get-go (such as with G. I. Joe or He-Man), I can see where this misconception might have first started. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 18:28, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
* The Transformers: The Movie/Scatman Crothers coined the term "ginormous", which has since been added to several dictionaries.
* An Earthforce story was written to promote the non-combining Constructicon toys.
:--[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:35, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
:Also, several of the entries not on this list can really use some trim. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:53, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
::"A "giant"-sized Optimus Prime toy was available during Generation 1." seems particularly unneeded since it directly follows the bit about 20th Anniversary Optimus, which is pretty much the same misconception. The only part that is really new is the the giant bootleg thing, and that could just be added to the 20th Anniversary section if needed. [[User:Soundwarp SG-1|Soundwarp SG-1]] 12:37, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
::For me this has been one of the most interesting pages over the years, so I'm sad to see anything go, but yeah, some like the Alternators Windcharger thing would make more sense just on individual character pages. On "Winged Sludge": was that really more of a source of confusion than any other Four Star knock-off? Should that myth possibly be expanded to something like, "Four Star's toys using Transformer molds were legit Diaclone variants sold at the same time as their TF counterparts," since some listings of their toys throw up "Diaclone" as a keyword? [[User:Bumblevivisector|Bumblevivisector]] 20:01, 7 May 2013 (EDT)
::I think this page should focus on the large scale, line wide myths. Things particular to one character (or one actor, in the case of Scatman Crothers) should be moved to the specific page. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:55, 9 May 2013 (EDT)

==The G1 series being dubbed anime==
I remembered something when I read this entry in the list. Back when Rhino was releasing the 1986 movie and the first few batches of episodes on VHS, the local chain of the Suncoast video retailer had everything "Transformers" stocked in their anime section. Back then I honestly took it to mean that Transformers was anime, and another collector I spoke with at the time thought the same.

For those who had Suncoast chains in their area during the Rhino years, did your chain similarly stock G1 in the "anime" section? If so, then Suncoast might have inadvertently contributed to the propagation of this myth. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 13:24, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
:I'm pretty sure being a cartoon with a lot of behind-the-scenes associations with Japan had much more to do with the "the propagation of this myth" than your local overpriced retailer. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 14:58, 5 May 2014 (EDT)

== "Megatron is named from Megas" ==

Does this count as a misconception? This was written on Wikipedia about fans missauming it but Megatron is actually a portemeau of megaton and tron.

== IDW Hasbroverse ==

Though I'm not going to argue against the point that the existing IDW TF continuity getting rebooted isn't the fault of the Hasbroverse, the phrase "unsustainable downwards spiral" regarding pre-Hasbroverse sales is pretty hyperbolic and somewhat ignorant of the general comics industry. The graph linked to in the footnote shows sales steadily declining at about 1k a year. Across the 4 years from DoOP to Revolution, that's a drop of about a third. That may sound bad, but that's actually better than average. Pretty much every American monthly comic (apart from the Walking Dead) loses readers as it goes. Many from Marvel and DC will see bigger percentage drops in readership than that in the space of one year, let alone four, and not only keep on going, but be considered successes. If a phrase as overblown as "unsustainable downwards spiral" is apt for anything, it's the post-Revolution sales, which see that level of decline within about a year, which, more supports the "misconception" being argued against here. If this is going to be "debunked" it needs to be with first hand evidence (a quote from someone at IDW) rather than tenuous supposition from sales charts. [[User:Danja|Danja]] ([[User talk:Danja|talk]]) 11:00, 2 April 2018 (EDT)

== Bay's Opinion on the 1986 movie ==

I suddenly remembered someone said that Michael Bay hated the 1986 Animated movie. Don't know who said that, but I can consider this as a rumor since there is no official word about him genuinely hating the flick. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 12:53, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

== Cliffjumper's deaths in "every" continuity ==

Uh, yeah. There are some people who still think that Cliffjumper dies in every show or comic that existed. Is it worth mentioning? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 01:56, 28 July 2020 (EDT)

== Bumblebee Not Confirmed as Reboot ==

I'm not entirely sure what's not clear about a 'new storytelling universe' meaning a reboot of some sort. It surely means other than the existing Bayverse even if it borrows elements from it.

== Lorenzo sabotaged Peter Cullen's Audition ==

I see this brought up on various fan sites, in discussions about why fans hate Lorenzo di Bonaventura. The source of this comes from an interview with Don Murphy, someone who is from what I've read is pretty biased himself. The basic story is Mr. Murphy refers to Mr. Bonaventura as Scorponok, who wanted Liam Neeson as Optimus Prime, for starpower, while Mr. Murphy believed they should get Cullen back in the role. There is a story that Lorenzo sabotaged Mr. Cullen's audition, by making sure the other person who was supposed to read the lines not show up, but Peter Cullen managed to play both characters (Optimus Prime and Ironhide) and impressed Michael Bay to reprise the role for the live action theatrical film. I see this story repeated verbatim in the fandom without a source should this warrant a place on this page? And does anyone have a refutable source for this story?

[[User:96megatron|96megatron]] ([[User talk:96megatron|talk]]) 11:16, 14 November 2020 (EST)

== bumblebee losing his voice at the end of fall of cybertron. ==

Funny enough, there exist some people who think bumblebee lost his voice to Megatron WHILE protecting optimus prime, despite earlier dialogue from ratchet stated that he in fact lost his voice even before bumblebee protect optimus from Megatron's blast. If anything, it's basically already confirmed in prime that he indeed lost his voice between war for cybertron and fall of cybertron. Should I add it? Mikey. 11:02, 18 November 2020 (EST)

== How about actually explaining this one... ==

"Chris Ryall was kicked out of IDW because he conspired to break Hasbro mandates. He really wasn't, guys. In fact, he was outright surprised by the idea that this was a rumor going around"

Anyone else find this decidedly unhelpful? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:12, 30 November 2020 (EST)

== The Vok ==

Okay, I've read this section several times and I'm a bit confused. If I'm understanding things properly, the concept of the Vok serving the One wasn't what was meant at the time but it is what various retcons have made it mean after the fact. Is that right? If so, that doesn't seem like it belongs on a page of misconceptions. It seems more like it belongs on a list of [[canonization|canonized]] fan concepts. Or am I still misunderstanding what the section is saying? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:52, 4 November 2021 (EDT)
:The bigger problem is that it's not a wide-spread misconception. Nobody outside the wiki knows or cares about this. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:56, 4 November 2021 (EDT)
::No, they do not serve the Vok. That was the misconception. I was trying to explain why it was ''thought'' to be the case when it really wasn't. The sharing of the same author and the close release of PD Part 3 to The Ultimate Guide helped to confuse people into thinking that both were talking about the same thing (as in, the same "One") when they weren't. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:58, 4 November 2021 (EDT)

==Heavy editing==
Clearly a huge amount of time and effort was put into this page, so I feel a little bad saying this but... pretty major chunks of it should be removed. "There was a Blue Bluestreak and Prime's body crumbled" were urban legends. The role of High Moon Studios in game development and tracking the minutia of when Overbite was named Jawbreaker and critiquing DOTM Prime's strategy during the battle of Chicago are not. The opening paragraph even states "some of these urban legends were short lived but we are archiving them forever anyway" - no, we shouldn't do that, we should only be archiving corrections for mistakes that still exist or at least that existed for solid decades. I feel like almost everything about BW2 and Neo, and much on the live-action movies, and basically everything about packaging variations, can just go. But again, given how much time was spent in writing it, it would be fair to talk about that here first before actually doing it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:48, 3 September 2022 (EDT)
: This has been on my mind the last day or so (thus the pruning) but I've been bounced around with way too much stuff offline to devote a lot of time to it or even really work up a proposal. But since you've opened that door... yes. I think there's a lot in here that feels like overelaborated "someone was wrong on the internet once" rather than stuff that had a noteworthy combination of ''reach, longevity, and just general importance''. "This specific Optimus toy has more die-cast than that specific Optimus toy" is... uh... ''niche''.
: I'm not willing to say "it must have been around for decades" is enough to drop something from the page because, like, I think some of the live-action movie stuff certainly has the ''reach'' angle. The "R-rated cut" of the 2007 movie? Yeah, I think that's worth keeping. "Bumblebee was a reboot"? That's all over the place and probably ''will'' be even after this latest movie likely avoids addressing the issue. High Moon? The "the games are G1" claim got reach. The BWJ stuff, I wouldn't delete most of it as quite a bit of it ''was'' widespread (other than the "Blentrons are made from angolmois", that's... both minor and I'd certainly never heard that one). But I WOULD say some of what gets kept could REALLY stand being condensed. Even with stuff that ''does'' feel like it fits, there's a lot of massive blocks of text here that the eye starts to slide off of after a point.
:Honestly, I feel like any new additions to this page need ''serious'' discussion as to whether or not they should be added, as with "Ruined FOREVER." (I actually have a possible addition I'm on the fence about, but let's focus on the cuts first.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 08:36, 3 September 2022 (EDT)

As the person who reorganized this page's structure, I agree that a lot of these misconceptions are either bogus or severely outdated and make this page less useful.
Here is my personal list of misconceptions I think should be pruned:

-''Hasbro lost the rights to a lot of G1 Transformers names. That is why you see toys named "Autobot Jazz" or "Decepticon Brawl" these days. Takara is more competent than Hasbro and doesn't need to change their toys' names.''

-''The racing number on Diaclone and Generation 1 Smokescreen's doors was changed to "38" for legal reasons, just like "Martinii", "Citanes", "Marlboor" and "Alitalla".''

-''The reissue Soundwave toys released by Takara are reverse-engineered from Soundblaster because the original molds are lost.''

-''The Generation 1 Seacon Overbite was released under the name "Jawbreaker" in some European markets, and the Sparkabots were sold as "Sparkler Mini-Bots".''

-''A green variant of Trailbreaker was available in some European countries.''

-''The Generation 2 Autobot and Decepticon insignias were originally created by Hasbro UK, whose license for using the original faction insignias owned by Hasbro US had expired.''

-''The orange Generation 2 Constructicons were exclusive to KB Toys''

-''A yellow version of Alternators Tracks was released to North American stores (but then recalled by Hasbro).''

-''Masterpiece Convoy 1.0 has more diecast parts than 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime/Masterpiece Convoy is made almost entirely out of diecast/20th Anniversary Optimus Prime is made entirely out of plastic.''

-''Hasbro omitted Alternators Windcharger's gun barrel for safety reasons.''

-''The original The Transformers series was redubbed anime which originated in Japan, just like Battle of the Planets, Voltron, Robotech and other such shows screened in the '80s.''

-''Transformers were meant as a "genderless" race. Arcee and the other female Transformers were added to the brand because feminists complained about the Transformers all being male.''

-''Some portions of Unicron's dialogue were recorded by an actor other than Orson Welles''

-''The Transformers: The Movie/Scatman Crothers coined the term "ginormous", which has since been added to several dictionaries.''

-''Black Shadow and Blue Bacchus are both members of a "Space Mafia".''

-''Metrotitan is a zombie version of Metroplex''

-''The German version of The Transformers: The Movie was edited and didn't depict Starscream's death scene.''

-Anything in the "early internet misconceptions" category

-''The Robots in Disguise toyline was known as "Transformers 2000" in Japan.''

-''Unlike the English version, Gigatron (Megatron) has multiple personalities, a different one for each of his modes.''

-''John Romita designed the Generation 1 character models.''

-''Chris Ryall was kicked out of IDW because he conspired to break Hasbro mandates.''

The early misconceptions category was a workaround for a bunch of things I thought were too bogus to keep but I had no authority to remove, so those are specially prunable in my book.[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 10:08, 3 September 2022 (EDT)

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[[File:Beast-Machines-cartoon-poster.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|The {{w|Tron Legacy}} of ''Transformers''.]]
'''''Beast Machines: Transformers''''' is a 26-episode cartoon that aired in the US from 1999 to 2000, in support of the [[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|toyline]] of the same name. It is a direct follow-up to ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', set in the same G1 continuity and featuring many of the same characters. Like ''Beast Wars'', its [[computer-generated imagery|computer animation]] was created by [[Mainframe Entertainment]].

==Overview==
[[File:Thereformattingmaximalsmaximize.jpg|left|upright=1.67|thumb|The Maximals, in a rare moment of Not Running Away.]]
The show follows the adventures of the core ''Beast Wars'' cast upon their return home to Cybertron; there, Optimus Primal and his crew find that the whole planet is abandoned, and the streets are patrolled by mindless [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon drones]] serving [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]], who somehow escaped his captivity.

Worse still, they learn that they are infected with a deadly [[Transformation virus|virus]] that will kill them in a matter of hours. Salvation comes from the mysterious supercomputer known as the Oracle, who sees them fit to complete its mission of a planetwide "reformatting", and turns them into [[technorganic]] warriors, a perfect blend of organic and technological matter.

As the show progresses, Primal and his fellow Maximals learn to balance their technological side with their newly introduced organic aspects, mastery coming in slow stages. Unlike the previous [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|conflict]], where sides had been roughly equal, the four original Maximals were quite outnumbered by their Vehicon enemies, and the battles took on a "guerilla warfare" feel, with the Maximals using sewers and underground levels to their advantage and avoiding surface levels unless for combat purposes. As the show progresses, two brand-new Maximals and a returning face boost their numbers.

Initially, Optimus is driven by a crusade to restore the organic above the technological and to right his failure to stop Megatron. Over time, it becomes increasingly clear that he's becoming obsessed and overzealous. At the midpoint, after Cybertron is almost destroyed, he realises that the point should be to create a ''balance'' of organic and technological, not a supremacy. Under this new, saner cause, the Maximals eventually turn Cybertron into an [[technorganic]] paradise, though at the cost of their [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|leader]]'s life.

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===Production===

{{bigquote|I am more proud of [''Beast Machines''] than anything else I've ever had produced, because I got to do a twenty-six episode novel for television. It almost f**kin' ''killed me'', but I did it!|Bob Skir<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DaZTNszyGU Moonbase 2 interview with Bob Skir]</ref>}}

[[File:OptimusPrimalBMconcept.jpg|right|upright=1.20|thumb|"Help me! My arms won't stop growing!"]]

Writer [[Steve Gerber]] had once pitched a "wildly original take on ''Transformers''" ([[Dan DiDio]]'s words) as part of the development of ''Beast Machines''.<ref>May 2008 "DC Nation" editorial appearing in [[DC Comics]] publications, following Steve Gerber's death</ref> Mainframe instead went with a different outline by Marv Wolfman: the Maximals returning to Cybertron and finding Megatron had conquered it. (The Vehicons may be his idea as well.)<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DaZTNszyGU Moonbase 2 interview with Bob Skir in 2015], 42:00 to 42:30 and [http://web.archive.org/web/20080614012630/http://bigbot.com/beast-machines-transformers-bob-skir/Beast-Machines-FAQ/Tue_12_Oct_1999.html Bob Skir FAQ from 12 October 1999]</ref> Back in these early days, the show was to be called "''Beast Hunters''".<ref name="FKPR">[http://groups.google.com/group/rec.toys.transformers.moderated/msg/946225010fc740fb "Fox Kids Fall Press Release" from alt.toys.transformers on February 10, 1999]. In 1999, Bob seems to say other BM writers came up with Vehicons but in 2015 he says that's Wolfman</ref> [[Bob Skir]] and [[Marty Isenberg]] were invited into a discussion, despite not knowing much about ''Transformers'', because of their good working relationship with [[Fox Kids]] (who they'd worked on shows like ''[[Godzilla]]: The Series'' for). Skir didn't think he had a shot but it'd be good to network with Mainframe for the future.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DaZTNszyGU Moonbase 2 interview with Bob Skir], 39:13 to 41:57</ref> In the end, Fox said they wanted the duo script editing a show based on Wolfman's outline.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DaZTNszyGU Moonbase 2 interview with Bob Skir], 42:00 to 42:57</ref> (Bob felt a bit bad about that and made sure to hire Wolfman to write episodes.)<ref>49:50 to 50:00</ref>

[[File:Oracle (The Reformatting).jpg|left|upright=1.34|thumb|]]

[[Bob Skir]] says that other writers came up with the Vehicon Generals and "all the mystical stuff came from Marty [Isenberg] and I, based on Hasbro's request that we add a 'spiritual dimension' to the show". (The phrase "I am transformed" came from Hasbro.) The overall arc of the series also came from Skir and Isenberg "based on many conversations with Hasbro, [[Mainframe Entertainment|Mainframe]], [[Fox Kids|Fox]], and us".<ref name="Bob Skir FAQ from 12 October 1999">[http://web.archive.org/web/20080614012630/http://bigbot.com/beast-machines-transformers-bob-skir/Beast-Machines-FAQ/Tue_12_Oct_1999.html Bob Skir FAQ from 12 October 1999]</ref> Hasbro was quite keen on the spiritual tone out of a desire to try something new with the franchise, while Skir felt nature versus technology was an obvious theme but he felt that was a lazy cliché and the show should be about a balance between the two. (The technorganic characters helped him argue this.)<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DaZTNszyGU Moonbase 2 interview with Bob Skir], 43:20 to 46:00</ref> He merrily went all-out with the spiritual aspect, expecting Hasbro to change their mind but he found they liked it and asked for more!<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DaZTNszyGU Moonbase 2 interview with Bob Skir], 46:50 to 47:29</ref> It was Hasbro itself who said "hey, what if someone turned into a ''plant''?" as part of their drive to stretch the franchise to its limits.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DaZTNszyGU Moonbase 2 interview with Bob Skir], 1:36:40 to 1:36:49</ref>

One odd brief was that both Mainframe boss [[Dan DiDio]] and Hasbro didn't want Skir and Isenberg to watch old episodes, as they wanted a fresh take and DiDio felt ''Beast Wars'' was too continuity heavy. (He'd even told Wolfman that ''Beast Wars'' had no ties to the original series and to do as he pleased with [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity]] when doing his outline.)<ref>''Beast Machines'' DVD supplementary materials</ref> Again: ''Beast Machines'' was a sequel to a sequel. As it turned out, ''Beast Machines'' ended up being more continuity heavy and one reason was because Hasbro told them about things like [[Vector Sigma]] and the [[Hate Plague]] and encouraged them to be used.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DaZTNszyGU Moonbase 2 interview with Bob Skir], 1:13:30 to 1:16:04</ref>

Isenberg did most of the work on the first season of ''Beast Machines'' due to Skir's workload and a bereavement, while Skir did most of the second season due to Isenberg running ''Action Man''.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DaZTNszyGU Moonbase 2 interview with Bob Skir], 1:11:36 to 1:12:46</ref>

Skir originally wanted the character of Nightscream to be a young female Transformer, patterned after the girl, Newt, from the movie ''{{w|Aliens (film)|Aliens}}''. When that was nixed, Nightscream ended up becoming {{w|John Connor}} in ''{{w|Terminator 2: Judgment Day}}'' instead.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20071202095033/http://bigbot.com/beast-machines-transformers-bob-skir/Beast-Machines-FAQ/Fri_03_Dec_1999.html Bob Skir Q&A 3 December 1999] (archive copy)</ref>

Fox Kids' press release in 1999 not only still used the ''Beast Hunters'' name, it said the enemies would be Predacons.<ref name="FKPR">[http://groups.google.com/group/rec.toys.transformers.moderated/msg/946225010fc740fb "Fox Kids Fall Press Release" from alt.toys.transformers on February 10, 1999]</ref> Shortly after the press release, the production toyed with various titles before finalizing "''Beast Machines''". The use of the term Predacons in the press release may be an error or a deliberate "well nobody's heard of Vehicons yet" decision, as no other source has talked about Predacons being in it.

===Reception===
{{bigquote|It's been ''thirteen years!'' ... If there was one particular [Transformers] show you didn't like, I'm really sorry but, y'know, there were other ones too!|Bob Skir<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DaZTNszyGU Moonbase 2 interview with Bob Skir]</ref>}}

[[File:Endgame1 Nightscream sonic attack.jpg|right|upright=1.34|thumb|'''I HATE YOU! I HATE YOU! I - HATE - ''YOU''!''']]

Controversial even by the standards of other ''Transformers'' reinventions, ''Beast Machines'' is remembered by some as a series that tried to tackle heavy philosophical concepts, discussing such issues like what it meant to live in an increasingly technological society, the dichotomy between the desires of the individual and the needs of the whole, the inevitability of conflict and inequality in a free society, the ugly consequences of fanaticism, and the paradox of a living technological world. Story editor [[Bob Skir]] describes the series as a "religious epic novel for television".<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAkRF4QBKew Bob Skir interview at youtube.com]</ref> Most of the Transformers [[franchises|franchise]] lore about [[spark]]s, their abilities, and the mechanism of their life cycle, was introduced or developed in this series.

The series amassed many detractors early on, who complained that core cast portrayals were inconsistent with how these personalities had been established over the years of the preceding ''Beast Wars'' series. Examples include Megatron being a far grimmer villain with a completely different agenda from before; Rattrap appearing to be too cowardly; Rhinox apparently ''choosing'' to become a villain (though it sounded like he was no longer in his right mind);<ref>[http://www.bigbot.com/beast-machines-transformers-bob-skir/Beast-Machines-FAQ/Fri_03_Dec_1999.html Bob Skir Q&A]</ref> and, later on, Silverbolt being a grim, vengeance-driven soldier with none of his former goofy-noble personality. Critics also alleged a "hippie" agenda behind ''Beast Machines'', with Optimus Primal becoming an anti-technology guru (it was actually intentional that Primal was going too far and he'd moderate his views in Season 2), and criticized Bob Skir's decision that the Maximals would not use guns (though big swords and highly destructive laser blasts were okay).

The show's "epic novel" storytelling structure meant that at times it was forced to tread water, relying on repetitive chase scenes and expository speeches. The plot and tone, with the heroes outnumbered and outgunned and on the run, also meant many episodes would have them running or under stress, without the humorous, occasionally zany approach of ''Beast Wars'' to balance it out: this was intentional but often a frustrating viewing experience. It was also, at that point in time, by far the most serialized American ''Transformers'' cartoon, making it difficult for new viewers to join at some random episode and be hooked in. It didn't help that the series began ''in medias res'' and with the characters suffering amnesia, with many foundational issues deliberately left vague until at last resolution was established in flashbacks in episodes 7-9. By then, [[Mainframe Entertainment|Mainframe]] executive [[Asaph Fipke]] had become somewhat notorious for repeatedly assuring fans that "all will be revealed". ''Why'' the series opened with the Maximals having amnesia and being in their Season 1 organic bodies is not obvious, as (aside from explaining why they're not immediately looking for Rhinox and Silverbolt) it wouldn't have affected the plot either way.

The show is one of the darker ''Transformers'' animated series and the most thought-provoking. It is also the final animated entry into the Generation 1 story canon, bringing the events in that continuity family to a rather conclusive ending (which ''also'' didn't win it many popularity points). If nothing else, the creators had ambitions to do more than [[to sell toys|sell toys]].

Despite all the criticisms, the show continued and improved on the high production values of ''Beast Wars'', with solid scripting and excellent voice acting. The CGI varied from competent to gorgeous. Mainframe's animators showed their considerable talents in giving highly emotive expression to such alien characters as the [[Vehicon general]]s and even the [[Diagnostic Drone]], who ''didn't have a face''. As with ''Beast Wars'', [[Robert Buckley]] provided the series background music, this time creating a stylized electronic music in keeping with the mechanical environment of Cybertron.

Hasbro was happy enough with how the show was doing that they asked Skir if there could be a third season. Believing that the show was strongest with 26 episodes and that (after the fandom controversy) Hasbro would want a rethink soon, Skir turned this down.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DaZTNszyGU Moonbase 2 interview with Bob Skir], 52:39 to 54:57</ref> A [[Transtech|followup line]] was planned instead but after that aforementioned rethink, it was subsequently scrapped. Hasbro's next foray into animation would be to bring over a [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 cartoon)|year-old Japanese show]] for consumption in the United States, till a [[Unicron Trilogy continuity family|new story]] could be concocted.

In light of multiple cartoons (some with their own unfavorable reception) that have aired since then and the passage of time, ''Beast Machines'' has been reevaluated more favorably, although this is not universal.
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==Episodes==
{{main|List of Beast Machines episodes}}

===Season 1===
[[File:Tankor flames.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Tankor, YOU'RE FIRED!]]
Season 1 largely centers on the Maximals' efforts to find out what has happened to them, as they arrive on Cybertron with no memories. In addition to Megatron and the core Maximal cast, three new Vehicon generals are introduced, as well as the new Maximal Nightscream. By the end of the season, Optimus Primal has been driven down a road of extremism, and an apocalyptic confrontation marks the season finale...

{{collist|2|
#[[The Reformatting]]
#[[Master of the House]]
#[[Fires of the Past]]
#[[Mercenary Pursuits]]
#[[Forbidden Fruit]]
#[[The Weak Component]]
#[[Revelations Part I: Discovery]]
#[[Revelations Part II: Descent]]
#[[Revelations Part III: Apocalypse]]
#[[Survivor]]
#[[The Key]]
#[[The Catalyst]]
#[[End of the Line]]
}}

===Season 2: Battle for the Spark===
[[File:Botanica5.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|This freakish, tentacled, multi-limbed creature is one of the kid-friendly good guys!]]
The ultimate face-off at the end of Season 1 is resolved in a most unusual and cerebral manner, setting the tone for Season 2 as Primal realizes his mission is one of balance, not extremism. Silverbolt rejoins the Maximal ranks, a new Maximal arrives from off-world, and two dangerous new generals join Megatron's side as the Maximals search for the lost Sparks of their brethren and battle to regain control of Cybertron.

{{collist|2|
#[[Fallout (episode)|Fallout]]
#[[Savage Noble]]
#[[Prometheus Unbound]]
#[[In Darkest Knight]]
#[[A Wolf in the Fold]]
#[[Home Soil]]
#[[Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike]]
#[[Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search]]
#[[Sparkwar Pt. III: The Siege]]
#[[Spark of Darkness]]
#[[Endgame Pt. I: The Downward Spiral]]
#[[Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall]]
#[[Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future]]
}}
==Credits==
{{see|Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)/credits (season 1)}}
{{see|Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)/credits (season 2)}}
==Characters==
[[File:Rattrap bm robotmode.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|There's a caption under me?!]]
Because developing new CGI character models was, at the time, an expensive and time-consuming process, the number of named on-screen characters in ''Beast Machines'' was relatively small compared to most other ''Transformers'' shows. It is thus practical to list all the Transformers who appeared in the cartoon. They are listed in order of appearance. (Most drones are not listed, and neither are incidental flashback characters.) Note that many characters besides these are also full-fledged ''Beast Machines'' characters, having appeared in other media.

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*[[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] ([[Garry Chalk]])
*[[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] ([[Scott McNeil]])
*[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] ([[Ian James Corlett|Ian Corlett]])
*[[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] ([[Venus Terzo]])
*[[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] ([[Alessandro Juliani]])
*[[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] ([[Richard Newman]])
*[[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] (Scott McNeil)
*[[Botanica (BM)|Botanica]] ([[Kathleen Barr]])
|h2=[[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicons]]|c2=
*[[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] ([[David Kaye]])
*[[Diagnostic Drone]] ([[Christopher Gaze]]/Paul Dobson)
*[[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]] ([[Brian Drummond]])
*[[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] (Paul Dobson/Richard Newman)
*[[Thrust (BM)|Thrust]] ([[Jim Byrnes]])
*[[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] (Paul Dobson)
*[[Strika (BM)|Strika]] ([[Patricia Drake]])
|h3=[[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]]|c3=
*[[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] (Scott McNeil)
|c4=
*[[Oracle (BM)|The Oracle]] ([[Carol Savenkoff]])
*[[Noble (BM)|Savage/Noble]] ([[David Kaye]])
|nonumbering=true
}}

==International Release==
===Japanese release===
{{nav-bwReturns}}
The ''Beast Machines'' franchise was not initially released in Japan. As such, the ''Beast Machines'' cartoon did not reach Japan's shores until late 2004, where it was retitled '''''Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Returns''''' (超生命体トランスフォーマービーストウォーズリターンズ, ''Chō Seimeitai Transformers Beast Wars Returns''). The series was initially broadcast on TAKARAND, TakaraTomy's channel on the satellite-based mobile entertainment service {{w|MobaHo!|MobaHO!}}, from [[November 6]], 2004, to [[January 30]], 2005. In February of 2005, it was reaired on [[Cartoon Network|Cartoon Network Japan]] and, following that, other networks including Gifu Broadcasting. Having been released on satellite networks, the series was not edited for time like other ''Transformers'' cartoons.

The localization was headed up by [[Yoshikazu Iwanami]], the man responsible for the dubbing of ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', and thus ''Beast Wars Returns'' was reworked to the same extent as the previous series had been in Japan. The overblown jovial character quirks exclusive to the Japanese version of the series were retained while new quirks were created for the newer characters.

Perhaps most troubling of this satirical and humor-driven dub was [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]]'s characterization. Nightscream was turned into a flaming homosexual stereotype, lifting many quirks from the then-popular "Hard Gay" persona of comedian {{w|Masaki Sumitani}} (including ripping off his catchphrase, "Fuu!"). Other homosexual stereotypes attached to Nightscream included a new obsession with fashion and style, highly effeminate petnames for other characters (such as calling Rattrap "Aunty"), and a more lustful infatuation with the character [[Noble (BM)|Noble]]. While effeminate, vaguely homosexual characters are not uncommon in Japanese ''Transformers'' cartoons (many Japanese incarnations of [[Starscream (disambiguation)|Starscream]] are ''preeeeetty'' gay), the portrayal of Nightscream in this manner was not particularly respectful. For example, as they were both flyers, Silverbolt often spent more time with Nightscream than he did Blackarachnia. Already feeling jilted due to Silverbolt's new standoffish personality, this regularly incited angry commentary from the jealous fembot, who derisively referred to Nightscream and Silverbolt as the "gay boys" ("homo-tachi").

Other changes included Megatron's various Vehicon drone forces taking on individual chants that they would repeat ad nauseum for every second of screen time. Additionally, one of the series' major plot twists was ignored for the sake of goofy adlibbing, as Thrust and Jetstorm retained not only the voice actors for Waspinator and Silverbolt, but all of the unique vocal and personality quirks belonging to those characters, thus eliminating any ambiguity to their previous identities. And needless to say, with this being a parody dub, all moments in the original version that were intended to be dramatic were reworked for comedy value.

Given the low-key release of the series, a new [[theme song]] was not recorded. Instead, "[[Phat Planet]]" by [[Leftfield]] was retained. Characters from the series would proceed to talk over the entire length of the [[title sequence]], having "amusing" conversations (likewise, they talked over the ending credits). Only one original piece of music was recorded for the series, "[[Megatron Ondo]]" by [[Yukio Hibariya]] and partly performed by [[Shigeru Chiba]], created exclusively for Volume 7 of the ''Beast Wars Returns'' DVD release.

Also exclusive to the final DVD release of the series was an additional, goofy clip show:

*[[Where Is the Banana? R]]

===Spanish America===
Like the dub for Beast Wars, Beast Machine's dub was produced in Mexico. Unlike Beast Wars, the show was dubbed at Barrero Productions, with an almost completely different cast.

==Home video releases==
===Japan===
[[File:Geneon BWReturns Volume7 DVD.jpg|thumb|100px]]
{{main|Geneon Universal Entertainment}}
*''Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Returns'' — Volume 1 (2004)
*''Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Returns'' — Volume 2 (2004)
*''Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Returns'' — Volume 3 (2005)
*''Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Returns'' — Volume 4 (2005)
*''Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Returns'' — Volume 5 (2005)
*''Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Returns'' — Volume 6 (2005)
*''Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Returns'' — Volume 7 (2005)
*''Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Returns'' — DVD Box (2005)
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===United States===
[[File:Rhino Beast Machines DVD.jpg|thumb|125px]]
{{main|Rhino Entertainment}}
*''Beast Machines: Transformers'' — The Complete Series (2006)
<br>
{{main|Shout! Factory}}
*''Transformers Beast Machines'': The Complete Series (2014)

===Canada===
{{main|Anchor Bay Entertainment}}
*''Beast Machines: Transformers'' Volume One (2004)

===Australia / New Zealand===
{{main|Sony}}
*''Transformers: Beast Machines'' — Season One: Volume One (2007)
*''Transformers: Beast Machines'' — Season One: Volume Two (2007)
*''Transformers: Beast Machines'' — Season Two: Volume One (2007)
*''Transformers: Beast Machines'' — Season Two: Volume Two (2007)
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===United Kingdom===
[[File:UK Beast Machines Season1 DVD.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|[[Transformers (film)|Their]] tagline. [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|His]] head.]]
{{main|Sony}}
*''Transformers: Beast Machines'' — Season One: Volume One — Reformatting (2007)
*''Transformers: Beast Machines'' — Season One: Volume Two — Revelations (2007)
*''Transformers: Beast Machines'' — Complete Season One (2007)
*''Transformers: Beast Machines'' — Complete Season Two (2007)

===France===
{{main|Sony}}
*''Transformers: Beast Machines'' — Intégrale Saison 1 (2009)
*''Transformers: Beast Machines'' — Intégrale Saison 2 (2009)
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===Germany===

{{main|Sony}}
*''Transformers: Beast Machines'': Die komplette Season 1 (2007)
*''Transformers: Beast Machines'': Die komplette Season 2 (2007)
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===Spain===

{{main|20th Century Fox}} {{main|Sony}}
*''Transformers: Beast Machines'': Primera temporada completa (2007)
*''Transformers: Beast Machines'': Segunda temporada completa (2007)
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===Italy===

{{main|Sony}}
*''Transformers: Beast Machines'': Prima stagione (2007)
*''Transformers: Beast Machines'': Seconda stagione (2007)
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===Giveaways===
{{main|Hasbro}}

*''Beast Machines: Transformers'' — [[The Reformatting]] & [[Master of the House]] (1999)
*''Beast Machines: Transformers: Battle for the Spark'' — [[Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike|Sparkwar Part I: The Strike]] (2000)

==Notes==
*The idea of Cybertron having once been organic was a throwaway idea in [[Marvel Comics]] original treatment!<ref name="BC10">[http://www.toycollectors.com.au/bc10/bc10bb.html griffin's 2010 BotCon report]</ref>
*Skir had to pass up his dream project, an ''[[Avengers]]'' series featuring "lower-tier characters" such as the Scarlet Witch, the Vision, Wonder Man, and Tigra, which he had developed with Isenberg; the series got greenlit the same day the writing team had just committed to spearheading ''Beast Machines''. (The resulting series, ''{{w|The Avengers: United They Stand}}'', was a bomb and quickly vanished from the Fox Kids lineup.)
*The theme tune for the show was Leftfield's "Phat Planet". This was also used for a famous Guinness advert. The latter proved a more popular TV slot.
*This was the first ''Transformers'' fiction where the good guys didn't use any form of guns. This was down to Fox Kids' edict against firearms, as well as Bob Skir preferring to write heroes who didn't rely on guns,<ref name="FKPR"/> and Hasbro wanting to have less gunplay than before (though super-explodey lasers and sharp instruments were fine!).<ref name="Skir">[http://web.archive.org/web/20080222040119/http://bigbot.com/beast-machines-transformers-bob-skir/Beast-Machines-FAQ/Sat_06_Nov_1999.html Archived Q&A from Bob Skir's now-defunct website,] where Skir responds to the gun controversy (question 7).</ref> When Skir said this online, [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers#Beast Machines|many fans wraxed wroth because they believed he was talking about gun usage in ''all'' adventure fiction and real-life gun users too]] (he wasn't).
*Fox Kids made some edits to their ''Beast Wars'' repeats, but ''Beast Machines'' got no requests to tone down the violence! <ref name="Bob Skir FAQ from 12 October 1999"/>
*Apart from flashbacks, visions, and such, ''Beast Machines'' takes place entirely on (or in orbit of) Cybertron, thus making it one of the only television series ''not'' to feature any human companions.
*In some ''Beast Machines'' DVD releases, such as Kid Rhino and Shout! Factory, the title sequence and commercial bumpers curiously feature widescreen footage squished down to a 4:3 aspect ratio. Given the intro is made up almost entirely of footage from the first season, it's entirely possible that 16:9 versions of the episodes were animated but never released.
*[[Simon Furman]] thought ''Beast Machines'' was too dark and serious for being a cartoon show for kids.<ref>[http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=705 SIMON FURMAN Transformers Q&A! It's here! at the IDW Publishing Forums]</ref> And trust us: the guy who wrote ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Generation 2]]'' is something of an expert on 'too dark and serious for kids'.
* [[Vector Prime]], in contrast, thought it was an awesome show.<ref>[[Source:Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime]]</ref>
*This is the only ''Transformers'' cartoon that had a complete German dub.
*The show would not receive a French-language dub until 2007. The voice director, [[Frédéric Meaux]], would later supervise the dubbing of ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'', which explains why the two series feature nearly identical voice casts.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''''Chō Seimeitai Transformers Beast Wars Returns''''' (超生命体トランスフォーマービーストウォーズリターンズ, "Super Lifeform Transformers Beast Wars Returns")
*''Cantonese'': '''''Maangsau Haap''''' (Hong Kong, 猛兽侠, "Beast Heroes")
*''French:'' '''''Mécanimaux''''' (Canada, "Mechanimals")
*''Mandarin:'' '''''Bǎibiàn Jīngāng: Zhòng Jīxiè Xìliè''''' (Taiwan, 百變金剛：重機械系列, "Morph Vajra: Heavy Machinery Series"), '''''Biànxíng Jīngāng: Shòu Xiè Zhēngbà''''' (China, 变形金刚：兽械争霸, "Transformers: Beasts vs. Machines")
*''Russian:'' '''''Transformery: Zvero-Roboty''''' (Трансформеры: Зверо-Роботы, "Transformers: Beast Robots")
*''Spanish:'' '''''Transformers: Bestias y Máquinas''''' (America, "Transformers: Beasts and Machines"), '''''Beast Machines Transformers: La nueva aventura''''' (America, "Beast Machines Transformers: The New Adventure")

==References==
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[[Category:Beast Machines media]]
[[Category:Television series]]

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MrRald:

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<option>('''FR''') '''Les emballages multilingues''' sont essentiellement la norme depuis 2019 pour toutes les jouets ''Transformers'' sont disponibles dans touts les markets de Hasbro dans le monde. Dans de nombreux pays en dehors Etats Unis, les emballages multilingues ont même été une pratique courante depuis 1984. Plutôt que de produire plusieurs variantes d'emballages portant du texte dans une seule langue de divers pays, Hasbro économise du budget en imprimant du texte en plusieurs langues sur la même emballage, qui sera alors envoyé sur tous les marchés ciblés. L'inconvenient de cette mise en forme est qu'il faut beaucoup plus de places sur l'emballage pour imprimer le texte. Soit l'emballage est donc chargé en texte, soit le texte est lui même réduit ou supprimé, généralement au détriment des fonctionnalités populaires comme les biographies détaillées.</option>
<option>('''DE''') '''Mehrsprachige Verpackungen''' sind im Grunde die übliche Form, in der ''Transformers''-Spielzeugfiguren seit 2019 in allen weltweiten Märkten Hasbros erhältlich sind. In vielen Ländern außerhalb der Vereinigten Staaten waren mehrsprachige Verpackungen sogar schon seit 1984 gängige Praxis. Statt für verschiedene Länder einen Haufen Varianten derselben Verpackungen jeweils mit Texten in einer einzelnen Sprache herzustellen, spart Hasbro Geld, indem dieselbe Verpackung mit Texten in verschiedenen Sprachen bedruckt wird, die dann wiederum in den jeweiligen angestrebten Märkten veröffentlicht wird. Der Nachteil dieser Praxis besteht darin, dass die Erfordernis, dieselben Texte in mehreren Sprachen auf derselben Verpackung unterzubringen, eine Menge zusätzlichen Platz in Anspruch nimmt. Dies lässt die Verpackung entweder schnell überfrachtet erscheinen, oder aber es führt zu einer generellen Verringerung von Texten, üblicherweise auf Kosten beliebter Einrichtungen wie etwa ausführlicher Biographien.</option>
<option>('''ES''') El '''empaque multilingüe''' es básicamente la manera en que los juguetes de ''Transformers'' son distribuídos en todos los mercados mundiales de Hasbro desde 2019. En muchos países fuera de los Estados Unidos, el empaque multilingüe ha sido una práctica común desde 1984. En lugar de producir múltiples variantes del mismo empaque con los textos en un solo idioma para diferentes países, Hasbro ahorra costos al imprimir los textos en diferentes idiomas en un mismo empaque, que luego se lanzará en todos los mercados. La desventaja de esta práctica es que el colocar los mismos textos en varios idiomas en un mismo paquete requiere mucho espacio. Esto hace que el empaque se vea saturado o da como resultado la reducción de la cantidad de textos, generalmente a expensas de características populares como biografías detalladas.</option>
<option>('''PT''') '''Embalagem multilíngue''' é essencialmente o padrão de distribuição para os brinquedos ''Transformers'' que estão disponíveis em todos os mercados da Hasbro desde 2019. Nos vários países fora dos Estados Unidos, este embalagem multilíngue é prática comum desde 1984. Em vez de produzir embalagens diferentes em linguagens específicas, Hasbro poupa dinheiro imprimindo os textos em várias linguagens na mesma embalagem, que depois é distribuída em diferentes mercados. A desvantagem deste prática é que o requerimentode encaixar os mesmos textos em vários em diferentes linguagens na mesma embalagem ocupa muito espaço adicional. Isso faz com que a embalagem pareça rapidamente sobrecarregada, ou resulta na redução geral de textos, geralmente à custa de características populares, como biografias detalhado de personagens.</option>


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<choose>
<option>('''IT''') '''L'imballaggio multilingue''' è fondamentalmente la forma standard in cui i personaggi dei giocattoli ''Transformers'' sono disponibili in tutti i mercati globali di Hasbro a partire dal 2019. Infatti, in molti paesi al di fuori degli Stati Uniti, l'imballaggio multilingue è una pratica comune dal 1984. Invece di creare una serie di varianti della stessa confezione per paesi diversi, ciascuna con testo in una singola lingua, Hasbro risparmia denaro stampando la stessa confezione con testo in lingue diverse, che a sua volta viene rilasciata nei rispettivi mercati di destinazione. Lo svantaggio di questa pratica è che la necessità di mettere gli stessi testi in più lingue sulla stessa confezione occupa molto spazio in più. Ciò rende rapidamente la confezione disordinata o porta a una riduzione generale del testo, di solito a scapito di caratteristiche popolari come lunghe biografie.</option>
<option>('''NL''') '''Meertalige verpakkingen''' zijn in wezen de standaard manier waarop ''Transformers''-speelgoed sinds 2019 verkrijgbaar is op alle wereldwijde markten van Hasbro. In veel landen buiten de Verenigde Staten zijn meertalige verpakkingen zelfs al sinds 1984 gebruikelijk. In plaats van meerdere varianten van dezelfde verpakking te produceren met teksten in één taal voor verschillende landen, bespaart Hasbro geld door teksten in meerdere verschillende talen op dezelfde verpakking te drukken, die vervolgens op alle doelmarkten wordt uitgebracht. Het nadeel van deze praktijk is dat de eis om dezelfde teksten in verschillende talen op dezelfde verpakking aan te brengen veel extra ruimte in beslag neemt. Hierdoor ziet de verpakking er al snel rommelig uit, of wordt het aantal woorden in het algemeen teruggebracht, hetgeen meestal ten koste gaat van populaire kenmerken zoals volledige biografieën.</option>
<option>('''SV''') '''Flerspråkiga förpackningar''' är i princip Hasbros vanliga sätt att tillhandahålla ''Transformers''leksakerna på alla världens marknader sedan 2019. I många länder utanför USA har det till och med varit vanligt med flerspråkiga förpackningar ända sedan 1984. Hellre än att producera flera varianter av samma förpackning, med ett språk för varje separat land, sparar Hasbro pengar genom att trycka texterna på flera olika språk på samma förpackning, som sedan släpps på alla marknaderna. Nackdelen med den här strategin är att behovet att få plats med samma text på flera språk tar upp mer utrymme. Det här gör att förpackningen antingen ser rörig ut, eller resulterar i att den totala informationsmängden minskar, vanligen på bekostnad av populära funktioner som de långa biografierna.</option>
<option>('''DA''') '''Flersproget emballage''' har været normen for Hasbros ''Transformers'' legetøj over hele verden siden 2019. I mange lande udenfor USA har emballagen dog været flersproget siden 1984. I stedet for at producere flere versioner af den samme emballage med et enkelt sprog til hvert land, har Hasbro valgt at spare penge, ved at printe teksten på flere forskellige sprog på den samme emballage. Det negative ved denne fremgangsmåde, er at det tager en del mere plads at skrive den samme tekst flere gange på flere sprog. Dette får enten emballagen til at se meget rodet ud, eller resulterer i at teksten bliver forkortet, hvilket oftest går ud over figurens biografi.</option>
<option>('''EL''') '''Πολύγλωσση συσκευασία''' είναι ουσιαστικά ο συνηθισμένος τρόπος με τον οποίο τα παιχνίδια ''Transformers'' είναι διαθέσιμα σε όλες τα παγκόσμιες αγορές της Hasbro από το 2019. Σε πολλές χώρες έξω από της Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες, η πολύγλωσση συσκευασία χρησιμοποιούταν συχνά από το 1984. Αντί να παράγουν πολλαπλές παραλλαγές της ίδιας συσκευασίας με κείμενα σε μία γλώσσα για κάθε διαφορετική χώρα, η Habro εξοικονομεί χρήματα εκτυπώνοντας αυτά τα κείμενα σε διάφορες γλώσσες στην ίδια συσκευασία, οπού αργότερα θα βγει σε όλες τις στοχευμένες αγορές. Το αρνητικό με αυτή την τεχνική είναι η ανάγκη να χωρέσουν όλα τα ίδια τα κείμενα σε διαφορετικές γλώσσες στην ίδια συσκευασία μπορεί να πιάσει πολύ χώρο. Αυτό είτε κάνει την συσκευασία να φαίνεται μπερδευτική, ή έχει ως αποτέλεσμα την ολοική σμίκρυνση των κειμένων, συνήθως με κόστος γνωστών χαρακτηριστικών όπως κειμένων πλήρους μήκους.</option>
<option>('''PL''') '''Opakowania wielojęzyczne''' stały się właściwie standardem w którym zabawki ''Transformers'' są dostępne na światowych rynkach Hasbro od 2019 roku. W wielu krajach poza Stanami Zjednoczonymi opakowania wielojęzyczne były powszechną praktyką od 1984 roku. Zamiast produkować wiele wariantów tego samego opakowania w wielu językach dla różnych krajów, Hasbro oszczędza pieniądze, drukując teksty w kilku językach na tym samym opakowaniu. Minusem tej praktyki jest to, że wymóg umieszczania tych samych tekstów w wielu językach na tym samym opakowaniu zajmuje dużo dodatkowej przestrzeni. To albo sprawia to że opakowanie wygląda na zagracone, albo skutkuje redukcją tekstów, zwykle kosztem dodatkowych informacji, takich jak biografie.</option>
<option>('''TR''') '''Çok dilli paketleme''', temel olarak, 2019 dan itibaren, Hasbro'nun ''Transformers'' oyuncak figürleri, tüm küresel pazarlarda mevcut standart formdur. Aslında, Amerika Birleşik Devletleri dışındaki birçok ülkede 1984'ten beri çok dilli paketleme yaygın bir uygulamadır. Hasbro, aynı ambalajın farklı ülkeler için her biri tek bir dilde metin içeren bir grup varyantını yapmak yerine, aynı ambalajı farklı dillerde metinle yazdırarak paradan tasarruf ediyor ve bu da ilgili hedef pazarlarda piyasaya sürülüyor. Bu uygulamanın dezavantajı, birden fazla dilde aynı metinleri aynı ambalaj üzerine koyma ihtiyacının fazladan yer kaplamasıdır. Bu, ya ambalajın hızlı bir şekilde dağınık görünmesine neden olur ya da genellikle uzun biyografiler gibi popüler özellikler pahasına metinde genel bir azalmaya yol açar.</option>
<option>('''RU''') '''Многоязычная упаковка''' — это, по сути, стандартный способ, позволяющий игрушкам ''Трансформеры'' быть доступными на всех мировых рынках Hasbro с 2019 года. Во многих странах за пределами США, многоязычная упаковка является обычной практикой с 1984 года. Вместо того, чтобы выпускать упаковку с текстом на одном языке для разных стран, Hasbro экономит деньги, помещая тексты на нескольких разных языках на ту же упаковку, которая затем будет выпущена на всех целевых рынках. Обратной стороной этой практики является то, что одинаковые тексты на нескольких языках на одной и той же упаковке занимают много дополнительного места. Это либо быстро загромождает упаковку, либо приводит к общему сокращению текстов, как правило, следствием этого является отказ от такой популярной особенности, как полноформатные биографии.</option>
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Seeker (body-type)

2022-06-26T20:27:37Z

MrRald:

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[[File:Generic Seekers and Conehead.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Well, they keep the toy-repainting fans off the streets, at least. (Generic Seekers from, clockwise: (1) MtMtE Part 3, (2) sticker sheet, (3,5,6 and 7) Five Faces of Darkness, (4 and 8) MtMtE Part 1.]]
The term '''Seeker''' refers to [[Decepticon]] jet troopers who share [[Starscream (disambiguation)|Starscream]]'s [[body-type]] but with different colors or minor variations in wing and head shapes. This is most clearly and commonly known from ''[[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]]'', but any franchise with a Starscream is almost [[To sell toys|inevitably]] going to feature a similar "family" of [[redeco]]ed jet-formers.

The word "Seeker" hovered a long time in a strange gray area between official and fan-coined terms. It seems to have originated in ''extremely'' obscure official or semi-official writing, but somehow became widely used among fans. ''(See [[#Origin of the term|below]].)'' In 2002, the term appeared in dialog from the first issue of ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'' from [[Dreamwave Productions]], [[Canonizing|making it truly official]] after years of controversy. It has subsequently appeared in many other places such as on toy packaging, books, and in other stories.

==Generation 1 Seekers==
===List of named Seekers===
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*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (leader)
*[[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]]
*[[Bitstream (G1)|Bitstream]]
*[[Blackout (G2)|Blackout]]
*[[Blast (G1)|Blast]]
*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]
*[[Hotlink (G1)|Hotlink]]
*[[Ion Storm]]
*[[Nacelle (G1)|Nacelle]]
*[[Nova Storm (G1)|Nova Storm]]
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]
*[[Red Wing]]
*[[Sandstorm (G2)|Sandstorm]]
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
*[[Slipstream (G1)|Slipstream]]
*[[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]]
*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]]
*[[Wheezing Arrow]]
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[[Itami Prime]] uses the generic Seeker design, but his unique characterization as an [[Autobot]] [[Town Commander]] prevents his membership from being definitive.

===Originals===
[[File:MainSeekers.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The original Seekers]]
In Generation 1, there were six Seekers originally given names and characterization: [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]], and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]. The first three, the season one Seekers, had animation designs done primarily by [[Shōhei Kohara]].
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===Coneheads===
[[File:ConeheadsGenerations1.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|"We must consume mass quantities... of energon."]]
The last three Generation 1 Seekers are usually designated as "[[Conehead]]" Seekers by fans for their distinctive transformation that leaves the jet nosecone pointing up. Unlike their progenitors, the Coneheads typically feature more individual parts between the three, helping to better differentiate them from each other. The animation models for the Conehead Seekers were designed by [[Floro Dery]].
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===And the rest...===
[[File:MTMTEGenerics-OilField.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Aw, not "[[When Continents Collide]]" again...]]
In the Generation 1 cartoon there were large numbers of [[generic]], unnamed Seekers in addition to the named characters. They came in a wide variety of colors, from extra duplicates of Starscream or one of the other named guys, to original and distinct looks all their own. They seem to have formed the bulk of the Decepticon forces on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], as well as among [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]'s initial troops on [[Earth]]. They gradually became less common, perhaps as a result of casualties... or the cartoon's production team becoming more careful, or more-likely having more "actual" Decepticons to work with as the toy line expanded. (Extra [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] units and alternate color cassettes were also used along with these Seekers, early on, to fill out the comparatively thin Decepticon ranks.)

These unsung Seekers would be recognized years later in ''[[Heroes of Cybertron (toyline)|Heroes of Cybertron]]'' toy form as the [[Air Warrior]]s (all using the common lavender/white color scheme). Soon afterward, the [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Dreamwave ''Generation One'' comic series]] introduced an army of similarly-colored Seeker drones.

[[File:AirWarriors MTMtE.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|You talking to me? Or him? Or the other one?]]
Around the same time, another background Seeker was also given a new life through toys and Dreamwave's [[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)|''Generation One'' ongoing series]]: [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]. This yellow-orange Seeker was a nameless background character in the first episode of the ''Transformers'' cartoon, until [[e-HOBBY]] turned him into an [[exclusive]] toy (available with an [[Autobot]] also based on a [[Hauler|first-episode cameo]]). Now [[Hasbro]] [[Sunstorm (disambiguation)|can't get enough of him]]. Another generic Seeker was given attention: [[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]]. Like Sunstorm before him, he was based on one of the background Seekers from the original cartoon, in this case the episode "Divide and Conquer" (see below). And in 2013 [[Fun Publications]] got in on the act by dubbing Sunstorm's partners [[Bitstream (G1)|Bitstream]] and [[Hotlink (G1)|Hotlink]] after two Seekers from Aligned continuity. Additionally in 2015, FunPub dubbed Acid Storm's partners [[Nova Storm (G1)|Nova Storm]] and [[Ion Storm]].
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Unnamed Seekers with their own distinct color schemes appear in the following episodes as noted below:

[[File:More than meets the eye seeker.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|More Than Meets The Eye Part 1 Seekers:
Sunstorm, Nacelle, Hotlink and Bitstream.]]
*"[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]"
:In the "return to [[Great Dome|Iacon]]" scene on Cybertron, five to seven Seekers appear (wide shots depict a group of five, but the close-ups give us seven distinct color schemes.) The first three are (as far as colors are concerned) Skywarp, Starscream (with a deeper voice provided by [[Frank Welker]]), and Thundercracker. In a following shot, we see a lavender Seeker with a flamethrower pack who would years later be named Hotlink; a medium-blue Seeker with white trim, holding his arm gun like a rifle, who would eventually be named Bitstream; a yellow/orange Seeker, who would become Sunstorm... and lurking in the back, a very dark-blue Seeker with white trim barely visible, but there if you look, who is apparently [[Nacelle (G1)|Nacelle]].

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[[File:MmteSeekers2.gif|upright=1.1|thumb|Lots of generic Seekers from this one.]]
*"[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]" and "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 3|Part 3]]"
:The mother lode of unnamed Seekers. Especially if you like variations of blue and lavender. Crowds of them appear at the start of the final battle. At least six different Seekers of various shades and decos of blue and at least four of various shades and decos of lavender (two with black tail fins in jet mode, two with white). Also, a blue variant (seen in the picture above) missing his wings and shoulder vents appears in "Part 3".
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[[File:DivideandCon.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Divide and Conquer Seekers: Ion Storm, Acid Storm, and Nova Storm]]
*"[[Divide and Conquer]]"
:Avert your eyes! One deep blue, one eye-burning bright green, and one garishly bright yellow. This trio is often referred to by fans as "the [[Rainmaker]]s" because they started an [[acid rain]] shower to irritate a group of [[Autobot]]s. The green jet in this grouping was made into the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]] character, whose name was initially supposed to be "Rainmaker", then "Acid Rain". A few years later, the other two received the names [[Nova Storm (G1)|Nova Storm]] and [[Ion Storm]].
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[[File:UltimateDoom.gif|upright=1.1|thumb|Ultimate Doom Seekers]]
*"[[The Ultimate Doom, Part 3]]"
:Two blue variants and one really nice looking pine-green Seeker appear as part of Shockwave's forces trying to prevent the rescue of [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].
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*"[[Five Faces of Darkness]]"
:One all-gray Seeker, one with [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]]'s coloration, and one with [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]'s. There's also an interesting Conehead variant. (All of which appear in the main image above.)
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[[File:NotDirge.gif|upright=1.1|thumb|Dark Awakening Seeker]]
*"[[The Transformers: The Movie]]" & "[[Dark Awakening (episode)|Dark Awakening]]"
:One season 1-style [[:File:DirgeseekerTFMovie.jpg|Seeker]] with Dirge's colors appears in jet mode in the attack on Autobot City in the movie, and next to the actual Dirge in the episode.
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*"[[Fight or Flee (episode)|Fight or Flee]]"
:During the flashback of the "Fourth Great War", an all-black Autobot jet similar to Ramjet's alt mode is briefly seen before exploding. Seconds later, an all-black Decepticon jet similar to Thrust's alt mode is seen. As it flies upwards, the wings appear to be white, though this seems to be an animation error.
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*Puffy stickers
:A sheet of Transformer puffy stickers featured a rare generic with a Starscream-based color scheme. He is pictured above as well.
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*''[[Transformers: Punch-Out Book]]''
:In addition to Starscream, Skywarp, and numerous identical copies of both of them, this construct-it-yourself battle scene features two distinct color schemes. Each features a solid grey body with solid color wings and tail wings: one red, one yellow.
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*''[[Project Brain Drain]]''
:While Ramjet, Thrust, and Dirge are named and Skywarp is identifiable, there are numerous unnamed Seekers including a second individual with Thrust-style wings.
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[[File:Returntocybertron-seeker.jpg|upright=0.9|thumb|Return to Cybertron Seeker.]]
*"[[Return to Cybertron]]"
:This relatively obscure [[Sticker Adventures]] tale gives us a brief glimpse of a Seeker with a Thundercracker/Skywarp mix; blue body, purple tailfins and wing stripes. You can't tell much more about him, given that he is A: partially obscured and B: exploding.
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[[File:PretenderClassicsBoxArt.jpg|upright=0.9|thumb|"Classic Pretender" Seekers.]]
*[[Classic Pretender]] [[Package art|box art]]
:The box art (also used for adverts in the Marvel UK comic) for this line of toys shows Starscream attacking his Autobot counterparts alongside three others sharing his [[body-type]]. All have a silver front half in jet mode, while one has green rear fins, one has red and one is in shadow.
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[[File:TFcommagdivebombvsjhi.jpg|upright=0.9|thumb]]
*''[[Transformers Comic-Magazin]]'' [[Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 18|#18]]
:The German comic, well known for its often wacky coloring, contained a Seeker with a [[Jhiaxus (G2)|suspiciously familiar]] color scheme.
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[[File:G2UKWarWithoutEndJetGuy.jpg|upright=1.0|thumb]]
*[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Fleetway)|''Transformers: Generation 2'' (Fleetway)]] [[War Without End (issue)|#1]]
:An unnamed Seeker with a light blue body with white face, light red helmet and thighs, and yellow cockpit canopy was hanging around when Megatron boarded the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]''.
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[[File:The Ultimate Guide Maccadam's Old Oil House scene.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb]]
*[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]
:An unnamed green Seeker can be seen to the left of frame, behind the [[Maccadam's bartenders|bartender]], in the image of [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]].
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===''Wings Universe''===
{{Wingsnote}}
[[File:WingsofHonor-Skyraiders.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|New guys, same ol' body-type.]]
The term "Skyraiders" (see [[#Alternate terms|alternate terms]]) was assigned to the prototype Starscream-like air warriors that [[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]] developed at the very beginning of the war. The ranks of the Skyraiders did not seem to include any of the usual Seekers, but instead comprised other flying Decepticon characters. In addition to Skyquake himself, the Skyraiders were [[Leozack]], [[Hellbat (G1)|Hellbat]], [[Hooligan (G2)|Hooligan]], and [[Guyhawk]]. {{storylink|Wings of Honor}} Starscream himself was captain of [[Deathsaurus (G1)|Deathsaurus]]'s Skyraider-Seeker Brigade until he was promoted following [[Falcon (G1)|Falcon]]'s death. {{storylink|A Team Effort}}
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[[File:ComingStorm3 shadowcaster.jpg|thumb]]
*"[[The Coming Storm: Part 3]]"

The Decepticon [[Shadowcaster]] appeared to use the Skyraider body-type. One of his soldiers also looked very much like [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]].
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[[File:TheComingStorm4-LordDeathsaurus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.0|So useful a body type that even the waiters have it.]]
*"[[The Coming Storm: Part 4]]"

''Wings'' [[Lyzack (G1)|Lyzack]] was never referred to as a Skyraider, but she had a chassis nearly identical to that of her brother Leozack.
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[[File:BattleLines5-Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6|On the lower side of the picture to the left of Megatron.]]
*"[[Battle Lines, Part 5]]"

A generic mostly red-colored Skyraider was among the audience of Megatron's victory over Deathsaurus. {{storylink|Battle Lines, Part 5}}
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*[[Red Wing]]

:Red Wing was part of a joint [[Autobot]]/[[Decepticon]] assault on the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian]] clone army. In the ensuing battle, Red Wing was shot in the back by [[Skywarp (MW)|Skywarp]]. {{storylink|Termination}}
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===''Transformers/G.I. Joe''===
[[File:Seekers-Trial by Fire.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3]]
The Seekers were awakened on the [[Fera Islands]] in [[1939]] and were reformatted as [[World War II]]-era fighter planes. Alongside such familiar faces as [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] were also several unidentified Seekers. {{storylink|The Line}} {{storylink|Trial by Fire}} They joined up with [[Cobra]] with the rest of the Decepticons, while the Autobots allied themselves with [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]. {{storylink|Transformed}} {{storylink|Trial by Fire}} They held a strong animosity towards the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] in particular, and fought against the combining Autobots. {{storylink|Wolves}} All of the Seekers that awoke on Earth were defeated by the Autobots, though the Decepticons managed to score a few fatalities of their own, including [[Superion (G1)|Superion]]. {{storylink|Trenches}} {{storylink|The Iron Fist}}
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===2005 IDW continuity===
[[File:Your First Mistake - Army Building Seekers.jpg|thumb|left|250px|[[Army-building]]. Army-building never changes.]]
Seekers are elite officers in the Decepticon army, and are expected to fulfill a leadership role on the battlefield in commanding other Decepticon troops. Seekers are expected to show absolute loyalty to the Decepticon cause. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 3: "Seasons in Flight"|Seasons in Flight}} {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 12|All Hail Megatron #12}}

Though the "Seeker" body-type was a [[Reproduction#2005 IDW continuity|mass-produced]] form used by many jet-form Cybertronians, {{storylink|Your First Mistake}} the Seekers would later take on the body type to homage their commander, Starscream, at his own suggestion; {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 6|All Hail Megatron #6}} a suggestion which, Skywarp later believed, was intended to cause confusion over Starscream's own identity so he could hide from defrauded taxpayers. {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}}

{{note|The human organization [[Skywatch]] referred to [[Ravage (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ravage]] and [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] as "Seekers" in [[Devastation issue 4|''Devastation'' #4]] while [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] also referred to
[[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Cyclonus]] with the term in "[[All Hail Megatron issue 14#.22Rebirth.22|Rebirth]]" and [[Heart of Darkness issue 2|''Heart of Darkness'' #2]]. Neither use has any connection to Starscream's corps.}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
During the [[War of the Threefold Spark]], [[Nominus Prime]] commissioned the production of an army of Seekers to match the [[Skywarp drone|Skywarp clone]] army under [[Exarchon]]. The Seekers hunted the clones down, turning the tide of the war. {{storylink|Escape Part Three}} These war-forged Seekers suffered lingering issues, and were considered a substantial security threat by Starscream. {{storylink|Wheeljack: Orbital Decay}}

===''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' cartoon===
[[File:SiegeEpisode6-Rainmakers.jpg|thumb|300px|left|You'll see just one of each of us!]]
[[File:WFCSiegeEp2-Hotlink.jpg|thumb|300px|You'll see a ''lot'' of us.]]
{{voiceactor|[[Kaiser Johnson]] ([[Earthrise episode 1]], [[Earthrise episode 3]], English), [[Sean Wright]] ([[Earthrise episode 1]], English)}}
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==Unicron Trilogy Seekers==
[[File:Puppet i look like thundercracker.jpg|thumb|250px]]
According to one minor source in ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', when any Transformer converts to a jet, he is called a "seeker".<ref>''[[Transformers Armada: The Awakening]]'' DK Readers book.</ref> But the closest specific characters to the Generation 1 Seekers are this universe's own [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]/[[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]]/[[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] trio. All three even used the same toy mold in their first release, although Skywarp was heavily [[retool]]ed from the others (including getting an entirely new-mold [[Mini-Con]] partner). While new Decepticon-allied jet characters named [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] and [[Ramjet (Armada)|Ramjet]] were released in ''Armada'', they each had their own unique molds. However, whereas Ramjet was simply the Mini-Con partner of [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]], Thrust was a [[Bulk]] who even had a VTOL engine in jet mode, a conehead and vertically-oriented wings in robot mode. Although Thrust's original toy was green, one of his redecos looked much more like his G1 incarnation while the other redeco looked like an inverted version of G1 [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]. It was also redecoed into ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Sunstorm (Universe)|Sunstorm]].

Though only Starscream appeared in the follow-up franchise, ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'', several Seekers appeared in the final portion of the Unicron Trilogy, ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]''. Starscream was back in a form heavily inspired by ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'' Starscream design (itself based on the "tetrajet" (see below)), while Thundercracker received a completely different body. A Skywarp was also released as a redeco of Thundercracker.

Further, the ''[[Legends Class (2005)|Legends of Cybertron]]'' Starscream toy, a tiny, simplified version of his main toy, was redecoed three more times: [[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] as a giveaway at [[San Diego Comic-Con#2005|Comic Con 2005]], [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] as a giveaway at [[BotCon 2005]], and [[Sunstorm (Universe)|Sunstorm]] as part of the last wave of the LOC line at retail.

[[Ask Vector Prime]] would refer to [[Aurex]] Seekers, and [[Armada Volume 5|''Armada'' Volume 5]] labeled Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp as "the Seeker family".

==Live-action film series Seekers==
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[[File:The Reign Of Starscream Seekers..jpg|thumb|250px|left]]
In the letters page for [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|Titan's tie-in comic]], the movie versions of [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]], and [[Ramjet (Movie)|Ramjet]] were first referred to as Seekers—by Starscream himself, no less. [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]] was noticeably absent from Starscream's list, despite also being a jet and Thundercracker also being the name/body for a line of drones. This left it unclear what a Seeker ''is''. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 9|#9's Star Screams}}

Later, the term was clarified to mean a particular unit led by Starscream. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 2|The Reign of Starscream #2}}

{{note|Similarly to the IDW cases above, the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|second movie]] would use the term "[[Seeker (ROTF)|Seeker]]" to refer to an entirely unrelated group of Transformers!}}
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==Animated continuity==
{{Main|Starscream clone (Animated)}}
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==Aligned continuity family Seekers==
[[File:Armada-clonessurroundMegatron.jpg|250px|thumb]]
The Seekers were a pre-existing group long before the formation of the Decepticons. There is some indication that the Seekers are an elite group of the best of the best fliers, although what (if anything) distinguishes a Seeker from any other flying Transformer is open to question. They tend to mostly, though not always, share a common design.

In an effort to placate the eternally feuding cities of [[Vos (polity)|Vos]] and [[Tarn (polity)|Tarn]] each was given something of value. Vos thus became the home of the [[Air Commander|Cybertronian Air Command]] home base of the Seekers. [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] was one of their leaders before the war, and [[Autobot High Council|High Councilor]] [[Contrail (WFC)|Contrail]] seems to have been another. The Seekers were employed in ancient times to guard the secret of [[Dark Energon]] hidden aboard [[Trypticon (WFC)|Trypticon Station]]. They kept this charge even when Starscream allied with the Decepticons, though for the most part they remained largely independent in the civil war.

[[Shockwave (WFC)|Shockwave]], apparently upset at being pulled away from the [[Crystal City]], maneuvered Vos and Tarn into destroying each other, wiping out most of the Air Commanders that formed the basis of Starscream's power and bolstering his own position as Second-in-command.

In the aftermath of this betrayal, many of the surviving Seekers from Vos joined the Autobots, becoming the [[Aerialbot (WFC)|Aerialbot]]s. [[Jetfire (WFC)|Jetfire]] was one notable Seeker who defected from the Decepticons to the Autobots, helping them exploit their own flight skills further.

As part of his power play with Starscream, Megatron sent gladiators to kill many of the Air Command's scientists to finally take control of Trypticon away from the Seekers. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus|Exodus}}

The jet-based [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]] (specifically the silver "Ace" types) used by the Decepticons in the present day have been recognized as Seekers by Starscream. {{storylink|Scattered}}

'''Known Seekers:'''
*[[Vehicon (Prime)|Ace Vehicons]]
*[[Bitstream (WFC)|Bitstream]]
*Contrail
*[[Dirge (WFC)|Dirge]]
*[[Dreadwing (Prime)|Dreadwing]]
*[[Hotlink (WFC)|Hotlink]]
*Jetfire
*[[Nacelle (WFC)|Nacelle]]
*[[Ramjet (WFC)|Ramjet]]
*[[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]] (maybe?)
*[[Skywarp (WFC)|Skywarp]]
*[[Slipstream (WFC)|Slipstream]]
*Starscream
*[[Thrust (Prime)|Thrust]]
*[[Thundercracker (WFC)|Thundercracker]]

==Cyberverse continuity==
{{Main|Seeker (Cyberverse)}}
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==The term "Seeker"==
===Origin of the term===
The truly mysterious thing about the term "Seeker" is the fact that, despite it being widely used by fans as early as the 1990s, nobody knew where it actually ''came from'', as evidenced by confused conversations from that time on [[alt.toys.transformers]].<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_frm/thread/e885ffdf4355e933/13eeeeae7e2483b7?tvc=17 alt.toys.transformers thread from 1996 about the origin of "Seeker"]</ref> There were plenty of ''wrong'' answers; the strongest suggestion seemed to be that it came from the "[[Ferak|hunter-seeker skyship]]" used in [[The Smelting Pool!|issue #17]] of the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US comic]]—though the Decepticons it is applied to in that story are shown only in their flight modes, which look nothing like the jets in question, and are completely different from the Cybertronian forms of the Coneheads, who also appear in the issue. The only real connection between the hunter-seekers we were shown and the "Seekers" is that there's more than one of them and they fly.

During this time when the term was believed non-canon, fans flirted with other terms such as "Skyraider" ''(see [[#Alternate terms|below]])'', but in 2002 [[Simon Furman]] used "Seeker" in [[The War Within issue 1|a Dreamwave ''War Within'' script]], which sealed the deal of officiality and set the tone not just for the fandom, but for the ''Transformers'' fiction that came afterwards as well.

[[File:Seekers ad text.jpg|left|197px|thumb|No, you fool, we're following orders: We were told to scour the countryside, so we're scouring it.]]
Years later, the mystery was finally solved with the discovery of multiple department-store advertisements from the [[1984]] holiday season in which the word "Seeker" appeared. The J.C. Penney catalog (sometimes called a "wishbook") featured a page dedicated to ''[[Transformers brand|Transformers]]'' that included this statement in its description of Starscream: "Airplane with sensational F-15 styling scours the countryside searching for Autobots. When they're found, the Seekers set out to destroy them." It also said [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] "sends out messages to the Seekers and other Decepticons".<ref>J.C. Penney 1984 wishbook [[:File:Seekers ad.jpg|(full-page scan)]]</ref> J.C. Penney and (now-defunct) chains Zayre and Dahlkemper's put out ads in November 1984 listing Starscream and either Thundercracker or Skywarp as "Decepticon Seeker". In addition, one of the earliest known ads for Transformers toys '''period''' is a Zayre circular from April 1984 that uses the term.<ref name="savead">1984 "Seeker" ads [https://pleasesavemerobots.blogspot.com/2012/09/ (scans at Roboplastic Apocalypse)]</ref> The term even appears as late as 1985, in a toy-ordering catalog for (now-defunct) Western Auto, a specialty retail chain for automobile parts and accessories, which lists all the standard Transformers releases from the 1984 line-up, among them the "Decepticon (Seekers) Plane assortment", with Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp depicted.<ref name="westernauto">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-general-discussion/1061758-seekers-term.html] Western Auto toy ordering guide] at TFW2005.</ref>

Presumably, then, the term "Seeker" was likely handed down by [[Hasbro]] in promotional materials, and those retailers happened to run with it. It's impossible to know with absolute certainty, but the most curious aspect of the whole story is that members of the online ''Transformers'' fan community were widely and independently using the term largely without question since the early 1990s, when the [[fandom]] was just getting on its feet, not dissimilar to the way the term "Generation 1" was coined. Were those obscure toy ads truly widely seen enough, and a strong enough part of the fandom's collective memory, to determine common parlance almost ten years after the fact? Or were there more official usages that have since disappeared? ''That'' is a mystery we may never solve!

===Alternate terms===
[[File:G1catalog86-DecepticonPlanes.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|I don't know what to call you, [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], but I know "plane" isn't it.]]
The most obvious alternate name for these Transformers—and the one generally used by toy [[Pack-in material|pack-in]] [[catalog]]s—is '''[[Decepticon Planes]]'''. While usually clear enough from context, this term has the weakness that there are many Decepticon planes who do not share this body-type. Also, the term is rarely, if ever, used outside of toy-specific contexts. The first [[United Kingdom|UK]] toy pack-in catalog referred to the group as '''strike planes'''.<ref name="ukcat">First UK toy catalog [http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/img/toysheets/g1/uksheet01/1.jpg (scan at Transformers @ The Moon)]</ref> The 1985 European [[Milton Bradley]] catalog calls them "'''Decepticon Aeroplanes'''".<ref name="mb">[http://www.tf-1.com/articles/eurous_frame.php?art=mb "Milton Bradley Transformers"] at TF-1.com.</ref> In Japan, they were called '''Jetrons'''. The ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' versions were called "'''Decepticon Jets'''".

Within the fiction, the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon]] episode "[[Atlantis, Arise!]]" features [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] calling Thundercracker a '''Deceptijet'''. And the 1985 Listen 'n Fun audio book "[[Sun Raid (Listen 'n Fun)|Sun Raid]]" has Megatron ordering the '''Deceptiplanes''' (Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker) to break off an attack. The audio book "[[Jaws of Terror]]" referred to them as '''Decepticon superjets'''. The multipath adventure book "[[Dinobots Strike Back]]" has Megatron order his '''warrior jets''' to attack the Autobots, just before a "good" ending which they fail to prevent.

[[File:Tetrajet seekers.jpg|thumb|Did you ever wonder why we had to run for shelter...]]
For a long time, it has been common among fans to refer to the Seekers' cartoon Cybertronian forms (from the episode "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]" among others) as '''tetrajets''' because their shape resembles a {{w|tetrahedron}}, a pyramid with a triangular base.

If there was ever an official term that could've given "Seeker" a run for its money, it was the one used on the [[Europe]]an ''Generation 2'' packaging of Starscream and Ramjet: '''Skyraiders'''.<ref>Starscream and Ramjet's European ''Generation 2'' packaging [http://www.cobraislandtoys.com/tf/1992/starscreamg2boxfront.jpg (photo at Cobra Island Toys)]</ref> That term also appeared in those characters' profiles in the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Fleetway)|UK ''Generation 2'' comic]]. When the modern fandom dug this information up, "Seeker" was still considered a fan-generated term, so there was a push to supplant it with "Skyraider". But Furman's use of "Seeker" in ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'', coupled with the rediscovery of the department store advertisements, put a damper on that movement. Some years later, the term "Skyraider" was officially resurrected to describe the jet warriors in the [[BotCon 2009]] set "[[Wings of Honor]]" (based on the [[Starscream (Armada)#Energon|''Energon'' Starscream mold]]). [[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]] was indicated as the body-type's developer in-universe.

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==Games==
===''Transformers: Mystery of Convoy''===
[[File:Jetron MoCsprites.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*''Stages'': 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9
*''Point value'': 100 (jet mode) / 300 (robot mode, red jet mode) / 5000 (red robot mode)

Making up the overwhelming bulk of the Decepticon forces, "Jetron" soldiers appear in vast numbers, swooping in from high altitude in jet mode to try and crash into the Autobots. If shot, they pause in midair to transform to robot mode, dropping to the ground and continuing their assault on foot. In robot mode, they are ''just'' a bit too short to be shot with robot-mode weaponry when on the same level as robot-mode Autobots, so hitting them in midair as they fall is the best bet to destroy them... or just use the momentary pause while they transform to slip by them, which is usually safer.

Jetrons flying in a straight line are destroyed with just one hit; rather than converting to robot mode, they leave behind an upgrade the Autobots can use to temporarily augment their abilities.

Special red Jetrons occasionally appear, flying in a straight line: when shot, they transform to robot mode but then try to fly away in the opposite direction at top speed. Destroying them releases [[Bumblebee (G1)#Transformers: Mystery of Convoy|Bumblebee]], who escorts Autobots ahead a few zones, bypassing many hazards. These Jetrons only appear in the [[Temple Ruins]] and [[Glacier Zone]], though they won't appear in the latter if they are destroyed in the former. {{storylink|Transformers: Mystery of Convoy}}

{{note|Non-red Jetrons use the same robot-mode sprite as the [[Blitzwing (G1)#Transformers: Mystery of Convoy|Blitzwing clones]]. The [[Transformers: Mystery of Convoy (promo video)|''Mystery of Convoy'' promo video]] claims that named individual Seekers show up in the various levels, but... yyyyyyeah, it's all a buncha identical jets in vaguely-Starscreamy colors.}}

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===''The Transformers: Battle to Save the Earth''===
In this iteration of the Autobot/Decepticon conflict, it seems all the Decepticon possess the Seeker body-type. There are also innumerable amounts of them. {{storylink|The Transformers: Battle to Save the Earth}}

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===''Transformers: Cybertron Adventures''===
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{{storylink|Transformers: Cybertron Adventures}}

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===''Transformers: Devastation''===
[[File:ConeheadSeekerConcept.jpg|thumb]]Besides Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp, generic [[Conehead|conehead-style]] Seekers were encountered by the Autobots during Megatron's plan to cyberform the Earth. There were three types encountered: Warriors (standard), Heavy Weapons (use missiles), and Elites (use swords).
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==Toys==
{{note|Because of the bodytype-sharing nature of the Seekers, this section includes only molds that have been decorated as two or more Seeker characters, omitting a large number of molds unique to a single character.}}
===''The Transformers''===
{{anchor|Generation 1}}
[[File:G1catalog84-DecepticonPlanes-Redeco.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|The original Seekers.]]
*'''[[Decepticon Planes]]''' ([[1984]])
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:*[[Skywarp (G1)/toys|Skywarp]]
:*[[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]]
:*[[Thundercracker (G1)/toys|Thundercracker]]
}}

*'''Decepticon Planes''' ([[1985]])
{{collist|3|
:*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]
:*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]
:*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]]
}}

:The original Seeker mold was the [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes#F-15 Eagle|F-15]] ''[[Diaclone]]'' design, noted for its detailed jet mode, extremely limited robot-mode articulation, and the need to remove/add many parts during transformation.

:The mold was initially decorated as Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker. In 1985, Ramjet, Dirge, and Thrust were created out of this mold, each with unique new wing toolings and color schemes. Redecorated [[retool]]s of the mold also appeared in ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' as Starscream and Ramjet, featuring new accessory [[soundbox]]es.

:This mold subsequently has been extensively reissued and redecorated; see [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream (G1) toys]] for a ridiculously long list of examples. The reissues have included the original six characters as well as the retro-Generation-1 character [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]].

*'''[[Action Master]]s''' ([[1990]])
[[File:G1toy-ActionMaster-Thundercracker.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Action Master Thundercracker]]
:This non-transforming action figure mold was sold as Starscream, and later redecorated as Thundercracker for the European market.
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===''Machine Wars''===
[[File:MW-toy Skywarp.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|''Machine Wars'' Skywarp]]
*'''Basic''' ([[1997]])
:A small [[flipchanger]] mold, originally intended for ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'', was issued as Thundercracker and Skywarp.
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===''Armada''===
[[File:Armada SS toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Armada'' Starscream]]
*'''Max-Con''' ([[2002]])

:An all-new mold sold at the $20 price point was originally issued as ''Armada'' [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], redecorated as ''Armada'' [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]], and retooled as ''Armada'' [[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]]. The retooled version was later issued as the new character [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] in the 2003 ''Universe'' toyline.

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[[File:PL_Brown_Thrust.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb| ''Armada'' Powerlinx Thrust...who is also Dirge]]
*'''Super-Con'''/'''Deluxe''' (2003)

:This mold was released as three different decoes of [[Thrust (Armada)|''Armada'' Thrust]] and as [[Sunstorm (Universe)|''Universe'' Sunstorm]]. One deco of Thrust was repurposed as [[Dirge (Armada)|Dirge]]. This mold is also the basis of the non-toy ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' characters [[Lidar]] and [[Sitrep]].
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===''Smallest Transforming Transformers''===
[[File:STFThrust toy.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' Thrust]]
:The ''Smallest'' line, issued in Japan in [[2003]], featured a reduced-scale version of the original Generation 1 Seeker mold.

:It was issued as Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker, and retooled as Thrust.
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===''Robotmasters''===
[[File:Robot Masters black starscream.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Robot Masters'' Starscream Limited Black Version]]
:A new Seeker mold was created for Japan's ''[[Robotmasters (franchise)|Robotmasters]]'' subline. It is based on the original toy, but redesigned at a smaller size and with enhanced articulation.

:It was issued as Starscream (regular and black versions), Skywarp, and Thundercracker.
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===''Energon''===
[[File:Timelinestoy-LeozackWoH.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Timelines'' Leozack]]
*(Deluxe, [[2004]])
:An all new mold transforming into a jet loosely based on an F22 raptor, this figure was initially released and then redecoed as [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], and was later redecoed into ''[[Transformers Timelines (franchise)|Timelines]]'' [[Leozack]] and [[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]] for their [[BotCon 2009]] "[[Wings of Honor]]" "Skyraider" bodies.
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===''Titanium''===
[[File:Titanium-toy Thrust.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|''Titanium'' Thrust]]
:A new Seeker mold created for the ''[[Titanium Series]]'' subline features a Cybertronian-based alternate mode, derived from the characters' appearance in ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'' (itself loosely based on the original pyramid jets seen in "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]".) This mold has been issued as Thundercracker, Starscream, Skywarp (a convention exclusive), Sunstorm, and Thrust (a Target Exclusive).
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===''Cybertron''===
[[File:Cybertron-toy_LegendsSunstorm.JPG|thumb|upright=1.67|''Legends of Cybertron'' Sunstorm]]
*'''Legends of Cybertron''' ([[2006]])
:A tiny version of the Voyager mold, issued as ''Armada'' Starscream, and redecorated as ''Universe'' [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]], ''Armada'' [[Skywarp (Armada)#LOC|Skywarp]], and [[Sunstorm (Universe)|Sunstorm]], and Generation 1 [[Ramjet (G1)#Universe (2008)|Ramjet]] and [[Thrust (G1)#Universe (2008)|Thrust]].
:A small version of the Deluxe mold was available as [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]] and was redecoed as [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Starscream]] for the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' toyline.
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*'''Deluxe''' (2006)
[[File:CybertronSkywarp toy.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|''Cybertron'' Skywarp]]
:Though Thundercracker wasn't the same mold as Starscream in this series, his deluxe toy was redecoed as Skywarp. It was later redecoed into the non-Seeker character [[Divebomb (Movie)|Divebomb]].
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*'''Voyager''' (2006)
[[File:Universe 2008 Dirge toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Universe'' Dirge]]
:This mold, based on G1 Starscream's ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'' appearance, was issued as ''Armada'' Starscream, and later redecorated as Generation 1 Dirge.
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===''Classics''===
[[File:Timelinestoy-Nacelle.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|''Timelines'' Nacelle]]
*'''Deluxe''' (2006)
:An all-new mold at the $10 price point, the ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' Seeker design retains the F-15 alternate mode, but with a new [[Transformation|transformation scheme]] and modern articulation.

:Like the original, this mold has been redecorated and retooled numerous times. In addition to the original six Seekers, it has also been issued as [[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]], [[Bitstream (G1)|Bitstream]], [[Hotlink (G1)|Hotlink]], [[Nacelle (G1)|Nacelle]], and [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]. In addition to its original release in ''Classics'', the various uses of this mold have occurred in the ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei!]]'', ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'', ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'', ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'', ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'', and ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' toylines. Versions of this mold have been mass retail releases, store exclusives, specialty exclusives, convention exclusives, and fan club exclusives.

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===''Masterpiece''===
[[File:TRU Masterpiece Acid Storm.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Masterpiece'' Acid Storm]]
:A larger-scaled, highly complex mold. Issued as Starscream in 2005, with later retools as Skywarp, Thundercracker, and most recently Ghost Starscream, with transparent parts. The mold was heavily retooled in 2012 for another release as Starscream along with redecoes as Sunstorm, Acid Storm, Thundercracker, and Skywarp. It was even more extensively retooled and redecoed in 2016 as Ramjet, Thrust, and Dirge.

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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-52-Thundercracker.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Masterpiece'' Thundercracker Ver. 2.0]]
*'''Ver. 2.0'''
:A second ''Masterpiece'' Seeker mold was released in 2021, opting for cartoon accuracy as opposed to the original release's more stylized appearance. So far, [[Starscream (G1)/toys#MP52|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#MP52|Thundercracker]], and [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#MP52|Skywarp]]'s figures have been revealed for the new mold.
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===''Transformers'' (2007)===
[[File:Movie Legends Starscream.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|''Transformers'' (2007) Legends-class Starscream]]
*'''Legends'''
:This Legends-class mold is a highly simplified, low-cost version of Starscream in his F-22 Raptor body. As such, he has a greatly compromised transformation sequence due to the smaller parts count, with limited articulation and detailing. In addition to numerous redecoes sold as Starscream, it was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]].
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[[File:Skywarp ROTF Voyager toy.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|''Revenge of the Fallen'' Skywarp]]
*'''Voyager'''
:The mold used for the [[Size class|Voyager]] class [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] figure was retooled and redecoed into [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] (as well as a G1 recolor of Starscream.) For the ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' line of toys, the original mold and the retool were recolored again as [[Ramjet (Movie)|Ramjet]] and [[Skywarp (Movie)|Skywarp]] respectively.
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[[File:Movie FAB Ramjet.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|''Transformers'' (2007) Fast Action Battler Ramjet]]
*'''Fast Action Battler'''
:The [[Fast Action Battlers]] version of Starscream was recolored into Ramjet in 2007.
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===''Animated''===
[[File:Ani-toy Starscream CloneBlack.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|''Animated'' Legends-class Starscream Clone Black Version]]
*'''Legends'''
:The tiny [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] [[Starscream (Animated)#Legends Class|Starscream]] mold was recolored into clear versions of his (male) clones:
:* [[Ramjet (Animated)#Toys|Ramjet Clear White Version]]
:* [[Skywarp (Animated)#ClearEZCollection|Skywarp Clear Purple Version]]
:* [[Sunstorm (Animated)#ClearEZCollection|Sunstorm Clear Orange Version]]
:* [[Thundercracker (Animated)#ClearEZCollection|Thundercracker Clear Blue Version]]
:* [[Starscream Clone Black Version]]
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[[File:Ani-toy Sunstorm VoyH.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|''Animated'' Sunstorm]]
*'''Voyager'''
:The Voyager class [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] from [[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]] was recolored into a few of his [[Starscream clone (Animated)|clones]]:
:*[[Skywarp (Animated)#Toys|Skywarp]]
:*[[Sunstorm (Animated)#Fantastic toys|Sunstorm]]
:*[[Thundercracker (Animated)#Voyager|Thundercracker]] (unreleased)
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[[File:Ani-toy Dirge.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Animated'' Activators Dirge]]
*'''Activators'''
:Starscream's [[Activators]] mold, a smaller, auto-transforming design based on the larger toy, was (eventually) redecoed into ''most'' of his clones:
:* [[Dirge (Animated)#Toys|Dirge]]
:* [[Ramjet (Animated)#Activator|Ramjet]]
:* [[Skywarp (Animated)#Activator|Skywarp]]
:* [[Thundercracker (Animated)#Toys|Thundercracker]]
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===''Transformers'' (2010)===
[[File:Chronicletoy ez thundercracker.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Chronicle'' Thundercracker]]
*'''Legends'''
:[[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] Starscream is a new sculpt based on his Generation 1 jet appearance with many fuselage details borrowed from the [[#Masterpiece|Masterpiece version]]. This sculpt was also used to make ''[[Transformers Chronicle (toyline)|Chronicle]]'' [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Chronicle|Thundercracker]], Starscream, and [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Chronicle|Skywarp]].
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===''Alternity''===
[[File:Alternity starscream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Alternity'' Starscream]]
:Rather than a jet, this mold transforms into a licensed 1:32 scale {{w|Mitsuoka Orochi}} and features [[die-cast]] metal parts and rubber tires, as well as an opening hood, trunk and doors. It was used to make [[Starscream (G1)/toys|the]] [[Skywarp (G1)|usual]] [[Thundercracker (G1)|three]] (as well as non-Seeker [[Banzai-Tron (G1)|Banzai-Tron]]). In the ''Alternity'' storyline, these three are known as [[Questor]]s. Y'know, ''quest'' like ''seek''.
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===''Dark of the Moon''===
[[File:DOTM MechTech Deluxe Skywarp.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Dark of the Moon'' Skywarp]]
*'''Deluxe''' ([[2011]])
:This all-new sculpt transforms into a surprisingly accurate F-22 Raptor while hiding the robot mode parts much better than previous molds. It was first released as Starscream and later redecoed into [[Thundercracker (Movie)#Dark of the Moon|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (Movie)#Dark of the Moon|Skywarp]].
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===''Generations''===
[[File:Generationstoy-Thrilling30Thundercracker.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|''Generations Thrilling 30'' Thundercracker]]
*'''Deluxe''' ([[2012]])
:This mold is based on the Seekers' appearance in [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)|''War For Cybertron'']] and [[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|''Fall of Cybertron'']]. Transforming into a jet loosely resembling previous "Tetrajets," it was issued as [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (WFC)|Thundercracker]], and [[Skywarp (WFC)|Skywarp]]. The molds simultaneously represent both [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] incarnations of the characters as well as their IDW counterparts' appearances in the [[2005 IDW continuity]].

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[[File:Gen-toy AcidStorm.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Generations'' Acid Storm]]
*'''Legends''' ([[2013]])
:This mold is based on based on Guido Guidi's Seeker design from IDW's [[The Transformers (IDW)|original ongoing series]] and transforms into a hybrid F15/F22. The mold was originally released as Starscream, and was redecoed into Acid Storm, Thundercracker, and Skywarp.

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[[File:Generationstoy-TakaraTomy-ArmadaStarscream.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Generations'' Starscream (Japanese-version)]]
*'''Deluxe''' ([[2014]])
:Armada Starscream, as the name of the figure implies, is an updated representation of [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] in ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' body. Like the ''Fall of Cybertron'' Starscream figure, it also represents Starscream in the 2005 IDW continuity, even including a comic book in which he takes this form. It has been retooled into [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]], who resembled the Seekers throughout his appearances in the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Generation 2 comics]]. The mold was also retooled into [[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] and [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]]. It was also redecoed in colors representing Starscream's Powerlinx form in the cartoon and Takara toyline; this deco was later [[repurposing|repurposed]] as [[Thundercracker (Armada)|''Armada'' Thundercracker]].
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===''Prime: First Edition''===
[[File:Timelinestoy-SlipstreamPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|''Timelines'' Slipstream]]
*'''Deluxe''' (2011)
:The first toy to represent [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] as he appears in [[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|''Transformers: Prime'']], this mold would later be redecoed and retooled into [[Skywarp (WFC)|Skywarp]] and [[Thundercracker (WFC)|Thundercracker]] in TakaraTomy's ''Prime'' line, as well as ''Timelines'' [[Slipstream (WFC)|Slipstream]].
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===''Robots in Disguise''===
[[File:RID2015_Warrior_Skywarp.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Robots in Disguise'' Warrior-class Skywarp]]
*'''Warrior'''
:This new sculpt incorporates influences from both [[Starscream (Animated)|''Animated'' Starscream]] and [[Starscream (G1)|''Generation 1'' Starscream]], specifically the latter's appearance during the coronation scene in [[The Transformers: The Movie|the G1 movie]]. Aside from differing Hasbro and Takara decos, it was also redecoed as [[Skywarp (WFC)|Skywarp]].
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===''Combiner Wars''===
[[File:Generations Leader TC.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|''Generations'' Leader-class Thundercracker]]
*'''Leader''' ([[2015]])
:A heavy retool of ''Generations'' [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], this figure is sculpted to resemble the same design by Guido Guidi as the ''Generations'' Legends-class Seeker mold. Unusually, the retooled version of the mold was initially released as Thundercracker before being later redecoed as Starscream and Skywarp.
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===''War for Cybertron: Siege''===
[[File:TF-Generations-WFC-S-Rainmaker-3-pack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Siege'' [[Rainmaker]] three pack]]
*'''Voyager'''
:''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Starscream]] transforms from a heavily G1-inspired robot to a Cybertronian 'tetrajet' based on the Seekers' appearance in "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]" and back; although the jet mode has the robot legs sticking out from the undercarriage. Naturally, the ''Siege'' Starscream mold has been redecoed into the remaining members of the 1984 Seekers, as well as some previously unreleased characters.
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===''War for Cybertron: Earthrise''===
[[File:TF-Generations-Selects-Voyager-G2-Sandstorm.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Generations Selects'' [[Sandstorm (G2)#Generations|Decepticon Sandstorm]]]]
*'''Voyager'''
:The ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Earthrise]]'' Seeker mold is essentially an upscaled version of the ''Classics'' Starscream figure; taking inspiration from the 2006 mold's transformation scheme while adding some new points of articulation. Returning to the roots of the original toy, the ''Earthrise'' Seeker mold transforms into an F-15 jet and comes with a pair of null-ray accessories. Due to the figure's hollow waist and the nature of its conversion, the ''Earthrise'' Seeker mold's planned waist articulation was scrapped. This sculpt was extensively retooled and redecoed multiple times to recreate the [[Conehead]]s' distinctive head piece and their individual wing toolings.
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===''Studio Series''===
[[File:TF-SS-89-Voyager-Bumblebee-Thundercracker.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Studio Series'' [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] (''Bumblebee'' mold)]]
*'''Voyager'''
:The ''[[Studio Series]]'' Seeker mold is based on the Generation 1-inspired design in ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'', transforming from robot to Cybertronian tetrajet in 31 steps, and looks very similar to the unrelated [[Blitzwing (BB)#Generations|Blitzwing]] figure from the same toyline. Each figure comes with a cannon, two Null-Ray blasters evocative of the Generation 1 Seeker design, and a cardboard backdrop display depicting a war-torn Cybertron as it appears at the beginning of the film.

:Besides [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#SS72|Starscream]], this mold has been used to make [[Thrust (Movie)#Studio Series|Thrust]] and [[Thundercracker (Movie)#SS89|Thundercracker]]. Each redeco of this mold can even be repurposed into any of the [[generic]] Seekers featured in the film.
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===''War for Cybertron: Kingdom''===
[[File:TF-Legacy-Core-Class-Skywarp.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Legacy'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Legacy|Skywarp]]]]
*'''Core'''
:''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Kingdom]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Starscream]] is a roughly Legends-sized mold highly reminiscent of its larger ''Earthrise'' counterpart. The accessories packed in with the Core Class Seekers varies with release; as of writing only Starscream comes with the traditional Null-Ray accessories, as his redeco ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Legacy|Skywarp]] comes with a tuning fork-like weapon.

:Come on, we know there'll be a Core Class [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys|Thundercracker]].

{{Groupstub|Cyberverse (2018), Kreons, Construct-Bots, Bot Shots, etc. All the side-line toys/merchandise stuff}}

==Merchandise==
[[File:HOC AirWarrior.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb]]

===''Super Collection Figure''===
:A small, PVC plastic figure based on the Seekers' animation model design. It was imported from Takara in the 2002 ''Heroes of Cybertron'' line.

:It was issued as Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Sunstorm, and as a six-pack of the three original seekers and three generic light purple [[Air Warrior]]s. It was retooled and redecorated as Ramjet, Thrust, and Dirge.
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===''Titanium Series''===
[[File:Titanium-toy RMThundercracker.JPG|upright=0.85|thumb|''Titanium'' Thundercracker]]
:A small, non-transforming die-cast metal figurine, based upon the Generation 1 cartoon appearance of the Seekers was available decoed as either Starscream or Thundercracker.
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===''MyClone''===
[[File:MyCloneRamjet.jpg|thumb|upright=0.7|''Myclone'' Ramjet]]
:A super-adorable figurine mold of Starscream was issued for this line, and redecorated as the [[chase figure]] Thundercracker. A Coneheads mold was also available, issued as Ramjet and chase figure Dirge, and retooled as Thrust.
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===Palisades===
[[File:PalisadesGhostStarscream.jpg|thumb|Ghost of Starscream statue]]
:Issued in 2005, this six-inch-tall polystone statue with articulated head and arms was sculpted by [[3L Creation Group]] from a design by [[George Tremarco]]. It was later redecoed as Skywarp, Sunstorm, Thundercracker, and the Ghost of Starscream.
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===''Robot Heroes''===
[[File:Robot Hero Skywarp.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|''Robot Heroes'' Skywarp]]
:Another super-adorable figurine of Starscream, this time launching himself into the air. Redecorated as Skywarp and Thundercracker. A Thrust mold from the same line has yet to be redecorated.
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===''3D Battle-Card Game''===
[[File:3DBattleCard Ramjet.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|''3D Battle-Card Game'' Ramjet]]
:This release is a 38-point "Uncommon" piece from the [[3D Battle-Card Game]] composed of punch-out parts from two different cards that can be reconfigured to make a robot or a fighter jet. The parts layout was used to produce Movie versions of [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] (as well as non-Seeker characters [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]] and [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]]) in the initial release and Generation 1 [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] in the "Energon Wars" expansion set.
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==Notes==
[[File:BC05InfiltrationCoverSeekette.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|VOGUE!]]
*In the 1990s, Hasbro had more character plans for the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Generation 2|Starscream]] and [[Ramjet (G1)/toys#Generation 2|Ramjet]] molds that fell through:
**A labeled piece of unused ''Generation 2'' packaging art published in [[2011]]'s ''[[Transformers Vault]]'' gave the name [[Sandstorm (G2)|Sandstorm]] to an unreleased desert camo variant on the Ramjet toy (previously seen in toy mock-up form on eBay).
**A mostly black and grey mock-up of ''Generation 2'' Starscream was also seen from the same source as the Sandstorm mock-up. In [[2020]], it became known that this mock-up was intended to be named [[Blackout (G2)|Blackout]].
**Another mock-up deco variant of the Starscream toy in [[:File:G2SSJungleprotojet.jpg|jungle colors]] is also known to exist. As with Blackout and Sandstorm, this may have been intended to be a new character.
**Lastly, ''another'' mock-up deco variant of the Ramjet toy in [[:File:WhizBangNavyRamjetRedeco.jpg|cloud camo]] is also known to exist. As with all the above mock-up decoes, this may have been intended to be a new character.
*The ''Transformers'' [[fandom]] has long mused upon the possibility of female Seekers (and produced countless {{w|Mary Sue|self-insertion characters}} that are variants on the theme). A piece of [[Hasbro]] concept art of what appeared to be a female Seeker design appeared on the [[BotCon 2005]]-exclusive cover of [[Infiltration issue 0|''Infiltration'' #0]], but the idea didn't fully see fruition until [[2008]]'s ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]], the first '''[[canon]]ical''' female character to share a body template with a Starscream.
*The ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' Seeker sculpt has been reused and retooled more times than any other [[mold]].

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Jetron''' (ジェットロン ''Jettoron''), '''Seeker''' (シーカー ''Shīkā'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Sōusuǒ Chě''' (Taiwan, 搜索者, "Seeker"), '''Yóují''' (China, 游击, "Guerilla")
*''Polish'' '''Szperacz''' ("Seeker"/"Scout")

==References==
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[[Category:Decepticon subgroups]]
[[Category:Fan terminology]]
[[Category:Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:Generations Selects Decepticons]]
[[Category:Seekers| Seeker (body-type)]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron: Siege subgroups]]

File:MainSeekers.jpg

2022-06-26T20:16:25Z

MrRald: Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp models colored by Grimbot using official Toei color guides. Source: https://imgur.com/a/IrZpyit {{G1stockmodel}}

Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp models colored by Grimbot using official Toei color guides.

Source: https://imgur.com/a/IrZpyit
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File:DivideandCon.jpg

2022-06-26T20:14:59Z

MrRald:

Acid Storm, Ion Storm and Nova Storm models colored by Grimbot using toei color guides.

Source: https://imgur.com/a/IrZpyit
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File:DivideandCon.jpg

2022-06-26T20:07:38Z

MrRald: Acid Storm, Ion Storm and Nova Storm models colored by Grimbot using toei color guides. Source: https://imgur.com/a/IrZpyit

Acid Storm, Ion Storm and Nova Storm models colored by Grimbot using toei color guides.

Source: https://imgur.com/a/IrZpyit

File:More than meets the eye seeker.jpg

2022-06-26T19:53:26Z

MrRald:

[[Hotlink (G1)|Hotlink]], [[Bitstream (G1)|Bitstream]], [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]] and [[Nacelle (G1)|Nacelle]].
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File:More than meets the eye seeker.jpg

2022-06-26T19:52:25Z

MrRald: MrRald uploaded a new version of "File:More than meets the eye seeker.jpg"

[[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]], [[Nacelle (G1)|Nacelle]], [[Hotlink (G1)|Hotlink]] and [[Bitstream (G1)|Bitstream]].
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Greatshot/JG1

2022-05-11T16:06:42Z

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<noinclude>A [[retcon]] in the [[2018]] ''[[Transformers Legends (comic)|Transformers Legends]]'' manga "[[Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Greatshot)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX]]" [[Canonizing|canonized]] the long-standing Japanese fan theory that '''[[Greatshot]]''' and '''[[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]]''' were the same person in the [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]. For their exploits in continuities where they are separate individuals, see their respective pages.

==Fiction==
===Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
</noinclude>====''Legends'' comic====
[[Image:Legends Greatshot transtector.jpeg|thumb|200px|]]
In [[2021]], the Decepticon Sixshot worked with Daniel to break [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] out of the [[Planet Micro Satellite Penitentiary]] by surrendering himself to the inhabitants of [[Micro]], who removed his head and converted it into a Micro-sized robot in order to weaken him. Having foreseen this, however, Sixshot had already converted his body into a [[transtector]] that he and Daniel used to escape to the [[Legends World]] with Star Saber. There they hid out with Chromedome, who was willing to put his grudge against Sixshot aside as long as the ninja helped him with his manga artist career, and when a resurrected Ultra Magnus came to recapture Star Saber, Sixshot battled and defeated him once more. His victory was short-lived, however, as he was then impaled from behind by [[Nightbird (G1)|Nightbird]] for breaking the Six Clan's law to remain hidden. While he accepted death as punishment for his evil deeds and said his goodbyes to Daniel, he ended up surviving the explosion of his transtector and instead disappeared into the shadows. Hearing of the Legends World's power to bring back the dead, he vowed to repay Chromedome by resurrecting Abel and Jack and sought out [[Giga]] to learn more. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 50|Bonus Edition Vol. 50}}

To thank Sixshot for rescuing him, Star Saber gave Sixshot a new transtector, encouraging him to use it to become "Greatshot", to maintain the illusion that he was dead and avoid the Six Clan's wrath. Sixshot took to the idea, but first went to Giga so that they could use the [[spirit energy|Shinchōkon]] in the Legends World to resurrect Jack. However, his resurrection required that Sixshot give up his body and thus his [[spark|soul]] was transferred to the Greatshot transtector while the Headmaster became an new incarnation of Jack. The two returned to the G1 World in [[2022]], where they worked in concert with Star Saber's Autobots to put a final end to the Concurrence.

Greatshot eventually received his own head, allowing Jack and Greatshot to become fully independent beings. In [[2026]], Greatshot received potentially fatal injuries in the [[Silvart War]], but was saved by the timely appearance of his Autobot and human friends, who had been searching for him since his disappearance the year prior. {{Storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Greatshot)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}}

====''Victory'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Michihiro Ikemizu]] (Japanese)|[[Simon Broad]] (English, Omni Productions dub)}}
[[Image:PlanetMicro Greatshot gunmode.jpg|thumb|left|200px|To be honest, it's more like a long box thing with guns stuck on the end.]]
Greatshot's former friends included the criminal mercenaries [[Blue Bacchus]] and [[Black Shadow (G1)|Black Shadow]] as well as the sociopathic [[Guyhawk]]. Greatshot trailed the pair of mercenaries to planet Micro, intent on stopping them as his first step in "putting an end to conflict." There he encountered and teamed up with [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]], the Autobot leader, who was himself investigating Decepticon attacks. Greatshot informed the Autobots that he would deal with the matter as a point of honor, though Star Saber insisted on helping anyway. Greatshot was able to best the two [[Crossformer]] mercenariess in combat, destroying their powerful shells, though he failed to defeat either core opponent. He parted ways with the Autobots on somewhat friendlier terms. {{storylink|Planet Micro - The Mysterious Warrior}}

[[Image:PlanetMicro Greatshot robotmode.jpg|thumb|right|250px|One point twenty-one jigawatts?! Greatshot!]]
Greatshot traveled with [[Holi]] to a [[Planet Micro Satellite Penitentiary|prison facility of Micro]], sneaking in through the sewer system. Though Greatshot hoped to convert Guyhawk to the Autobot cause, his former friend gave his refusal in a spray of blaster rounds that almost wiped out the two Autobots. The pair fought, destabilising the prison's lava power supply. Greatshot was almost sent plunging into the lava, but saved himself with a grappling line. Holi was helping him out when a quake sent them hurtling towards the lava, but they were saved by the timely arrival of Star Saber. Greatshot and Holi became firm friends as a result of the encounter. {{storylink|Rescue! Guyhawk}}

[[Image:CrisisAmbushDesert Greatshot rhinomode.jpg|thumb|left|200px|It's a bird-lion-rhino thing!]]
Some time later, Greatshot visited [[Earth]] to see his new friends. After sleeping in a seaside cave, he was surprised by the ''[[Thunder Arrow]]'' erupting from the ocean. He trailed it, and stumbled on a destroyed city full of dead Autobots. Continuing on, he finally caught up with the Decepticons and was able to assist the [[Brainmaster]]s, facing [[Deathsaurus (G1)|Deathsaurus]] himself in combat. With yet another timely arrival on the part of Star Saber, the Decepticons were seen off. {{storylink|Crisis! Ambush in the Desert}} After the death of [[Ginrai (robot)|God Ginrai]], Star Saber called Greatshot to [[Rocket Base|Shuttle Base]] and asked him to take command of God Ginrai's Second Army. Greatshot reluctantly agreed. {{storylink|Fight!! Victory Leo}}

When Deathsaurus was able to reactivate his [[Planet-Destroying Fortress]], Star Saber called Greatshot away from his duties to assist in battling the thing. He arrived in time to help [[Road Caesar]], though they were unable to prevent the fortress from launching meteors at Earth, causing untold devastation. The two Autobots decided to assault the fortress's launch bay, and were only saved from certain destruction by the arrival of Star Saber and [[Ginrai (robot)|Victory Leo]], the former of whom ordered them to retreat to Earth. {{storylink|The Wrath of the Resurrected Giant Fortress!}}

Following the destruction of the fortress and defeat of Deathsaurus, Greatshot returned to his life as a mercenary and disappeared after the [[Silvart War]]. {{storylink|Showdown! The Fortress vs the Victory Unification}}

====Train Wars====
After Greatshot left the [[Second Army]], [[Goshooter]] became the team's third commander. {{Storylink|Train Wars: Goshooter & Shūta Gō Chapter}}<noinclude>[[Category:Transcluded pages]]</noinclude>

Draculus

2022-05-02T17:00:45Z

MrRald:

{{factions|decepticon}}
:''Draculus is a [[Decepticon]] from Universal Monsters (via [[Transformers Collaborative|Collaborative]]).''

[[File:Collaborative-Draculus-package-art.jpg|thumb|"[[Frankenstein's monster|Karloff]] doesn't deserve to smell my shit!"]]
The new form of Count [[Dracula]], '''Draculus''', bids you welcome to his [[Dracula's Castle|mysterious crumbling castle]], but you'd best not invite him into your home. This undead Decepticon rises from his stasis pod by night so he can drink... not wine, but the [[Energon]] of the living! Stalking from the darkness, he preys upon those unfortunate enough to cross his path...<ref>Hasbro Pulse [https://hasbropulse.com/products/transformers-collaborative-universal-monsters-dracula-mash-up-draculus description]: "Worlds collide in this Transformers-Dracula mash-up pack! The mysterious Count Dracula takes on a new form as a Transformers robot, called Draculus! We are dealing with the undead…an undead Decepticon! Draculus rises from stasis under the cover of darkness and feeds on the Energon of the living."<br>"We are dealing with the undead…an undead Decepticon! When night falls, the vampire Draculus awakens from stasis and stalks the darkness, preying upon those unfortunate enough to cross his path"</ref>
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==Fiction==
===''DreamMix TV World Fighters''===
Dracula's resurrection in [[1691]] was stopped by [[Simon Belmondo]]. A second attempt to resurrect Dracula took place years later, but this was again foiled by Simon. The competitors on ''[[DreamMix TV]]'' later participated in battles in [[Dracula's Castle|his castle]]. {{storylink|DreamMix TV World Fighters}}

===Cyber Key Code content===
While in the city of [[London]] in [[1897]], Bram Stoker once witnessed a [[Crosswise (Cybertron)|mysterious, shadowy figure]] destroying a [[Ancient Decepticon|creature that appeared to be a vampire]]. This incident served as an inspiration for his writing, resulting in the novel ''Dracula''. {{storylink|Cyber Key Codes|Crosswise's Cyber Key Code text}}

===''Animated'' cartoon===
[[File:TFA Along Spider Costume Bumblebee.jpeg|thumb|upright=1.4|What is an Autobot? A miserable little pile of circuits!]]
[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] dressed in the guise of "Count Dracubot" for [[Halloween]]. {{storylink|Along Came a Spider}}

Dracula's popularity extending to film, the ''[[Detroit Powell Press]]'' advertised one of his movies, ''Colonel Dracula Joins the Navy'', playing at a local cinema. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac}}

===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe'' comic===
While in his death-throes, [[Doctor Mindbender]] saw a vision of his historical heroes laughing maniacally at him. Among them was Dracula, by whose presence Mindbender seemed particularly taken aback. {{storylink|Headmasters (issue)|Headmasters}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
When asked why Transformers based on Dracula and other classic monsters exist, [[Vector Prime]] replied that they were seen as fearsome and potent alternate forms. Evidently, robot-Dracula is actually the alternate form of an unknown Cybertronian, not the real Dracula. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#June 10, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/10}}

===''Rescue Bots'' cartoon===
[[Blades (RB)|Blades]] considered dressing up as Dracula for Earliween. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine (RB)|Ghost in the Machine}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[File:DraculaTransformer01.jpg|thumb|200px|It was not by my hand that I am once again given plastic. I was called here by TF fans who wished to pay me tribute.]]
: A transforming Dracula toy was proposed in the 80s to be part of a "[[Vintage Horror Movie Series]]". The series never made it past production art, unfortunately, though said art could be found in the Deluxe edition of ''[[Transformers Generations (guidebook)|Transformers Generations]]''.

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===''Collaborative''===
[[File:Collab-toy-Draculus.jpg|thumb|350px|I don't need to know which Dracula I am to be a Dracula. Nerd.]]
*'''Draculus''' ([[November 28]], [[2021]])
**''Accessories'': Cape, blaster, Impaler Claw<ref>Hasbro Pulse description: "Draculus figure comes with cape, blaster, and Impaler claw accessories"</ref>

: The ninth figure released in the ''[[Transformers Collaborative|Collaborative]]'' line, Draculus is a [[retool]] of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' [[Mindwipe (G1)#Titans Return|Mindwipe]] and transforms into a robotic bat. With a sculpted tuxedo, soft-goods cape, and largely black-and-white deco in his robot mode, Draculus is specifically meant to represent Bela Lugosi's portrayal of Dracula from the [[1931]] [[Universal|Universal Studios]] horror film {{w|Dracula (1931 English-language film)|of the same name}}. The new head and torso-front replace the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]]-style transformation of the base mold, so his head does not need to be removed during transformation. While he does retain Mindwipe's cockpit, the interior is remolded, preventing a [[Titan Master]] from being able to sit inside. The figure's newly-tooled hands in robot mode are modelled after the open hand molds of [[Scourge_(G1)/toys#Studio_Series|''Studio Series'' Scourge]] (left hand) and the [[Sweep (G1)#Studio Series|Sweep]] (right hand). His bat mode's head, the tip of the wings, and the [[Kibble#.22Faux-parts.22|fake wings in robot mode]] use softer plastic. It is unknown if the cracking wing hinges issue is carried from the original toy, so caution is advised.

:The two weapons redecoed from Mindwipe can still combine, and they can attach as a tail in bat mode when pegged into the 5mm hole under Dracula's head. The melee-like weapon with a flip-out blade is named the "Impaler Claw", which references the popular "{{w|Vlad the Impaler}}" nickname of Vlad III, inspiration for the literary Dracula. Draculus also includes a cloth cape that can be worn in both modes. Hasbro stock photography (right) incorrectly uses the cape in bat mode, as it is supposed to fill out his silhouette when the wings are detached from the body, as seen on the packaging. Anecdotally, Draculus' cape can survive machine washing.

:The packaging for this figure is designed to resemble a VHS tape.

:Draculus was a [[Target]] and [[Hasbro Pulse]] [[exclusive]] in the [[United States of America|U.S.]], and also Hasbro Pulse in the [[United Kingdom|U.K.]] and [[Canada]]. Draculus was also a Mighty Ape exclusive in [[New Zealand]].

:This mold was also used to make [[Convobat]].
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==Notes==
*Dracula's alternate mode appears as a [[mechanimal]] in the ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' story "[[Not All Megatrons]]".

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Dracula''' (ドラキュラ ''Dorakyura'')
==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Collaborative]]
[[Category:Decepticons]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]
[[Category:Vampires]]

Draculus

2022-05-02T16:59:56Z

MrRald:

{{factions|decepticon}}
:''Draculus is a [[Decepticon]] from Universal Monsters (via [[Transformers Collaborative|Collaborative]]).''

[[File:Collaborative-Draculus-package-art.jpg|thumb|"[[Frankenstein's monster|Karloff]] doesn't deserve to smell my shit!"]]
The new form of Count [[Dracula]], '''Draculus''', bids you welcome to his [[Dracula's Castle|mysterious crumbling castle]], but you'd best not invite him into your home. This undead Decepticon rises from his stasis pod by night so he can drink... not wine, but the [[Energon]] of the living! Stalking from the darkness, he preys upon those unfortunate enough to cross his path...<ref>Hasbro Pulse [https://hasbropulse.com/products/transformers-collaborative-universal-monsters-dracula-mash-up-draculus description]: "Worlds collide in this Transformers-Dracula mash-up pack! The mysterious Count Dracula takes on a new form as a Transformers robot, called Draculus! We are dealing with the undead…an undead Decepticon! Draculus rises from stasis under the cover of darkness and feeds on the Energon of the living."<br>"We are dealing with the undead…an undead Decepticon! When night falls, the vampire Draculus awakens from stasis and stalks the darkness, preying upon those unfortunate enough to cross his path"</ref>
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==Fiction==
===''DreamMix TV World Fighters''===
Dracula's resurrection in [[1691]] was stopped by [[Simon Belmondo]]. A second attempt to resurrect Dracula took place years later, but this was again foiled by Simon. The competitors on ''[[DreamMix TV]]'' later participated in battles in [[Dracula's Castle|his castle]]. {{storylink|DreamMix TV World Fighters}}

===Cyber Key Code content===
While in the city of [[London]] in [[1897]], Bram Stoker once witnessed a [[Crosswise (Cybertron)|mysterious, shadowy figure]] destroying a [[Ancient Decepticon|creature that appeared to be a vampire]]. This incident served as an inspiration for his writing, resulting in the novel ''Dracula''. {{storylink|Cyber Key Codes|Crosswise's Cyber Key Code text}}

===''Animated'' cartoon===
[[File:TFA Along Spider Costume Bumblebee.jpeg|thumb|upright=1.4|What is an Autobot? A miserable little pile of circuits!]]
[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] dressed in the guise of "Count Dracubot" for [[Halloween]]. {{storylink|Along Came a Spider}}

Dracula's popularity extending to film, the ''[[Detroit Powell Press]]'' advertised one of his movies, ''Colonel Dracula Joins the Navy'', playing at a local cinema. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac}}

===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe'' comic===
While in his death-throes, [[Doctor Mindbender]] saw a vision of his historical heroes laughing maniacally at him. Among them was Dracula, by whose presence Mindbender seemed particularly taken aback. {{storylink|Headmasters (issue)|Headmasters}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
When asked why Transformers based on Dracula and other classic monsters exist, [[Vector Prime]] replied that they were seen as fearsome and potent alternate forms. Evidently, robot-Dracula is actually the alternate form of an unknown Cybertronian, not the real Dracula. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#June 10, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/10}}

===''Rescue Bots'' cartoon===
[[Blades (RB)|Blades]] considered dressing up as Dracula for Earliween. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine (RB)|Ghost in the Machine}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[File:DraculaTransformer01.jpg|thumb|200px|It was not by my hand that I am once again given plastic. I was called here by TF fans who wished to pay me tribute.]]
: A transforming Dracula toy was proposed in the 80s to be part of a "[[Vintage Horror Movie Series]]". The series never made it past production art, unfortunately, though said art could be found in the Deluxe edition of ''[[Transformers Generations (guidebook)|Transformers Generations]]''.

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===''Collaborative''===
[[File:Collab-toy-Draculus.jpg|thumb|350px|I don't need to know which Dracula I am to be a Dracula. Nerd.]]
*'''Draculus''' ([[November 28]], [[2021]])
**''Accessories'': Cape, blaster, Impaler Claw<ref>Hasbro Pulse description: "Draculus figure comes with cape, blaster, and Impaler claw accessories"</ref>

: The ninth figure released in the ''[[Transformers Collaborative|Collaborative]]'' line, Draculus is a [[retool]] of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' [[Mindwipe (G1)#Titans Return|Mindwipe]] and transforms into a robotic bat. With a sculpted tuxedo, soft-goods cape, and largely black-and-white deco in his robot mode, Draculus is specifically meant to represent Bela Lugosi's portrayal of Dracula from the [[1931]] [[Universal|Universal Studios]] horror film {{w|Dracula (1931 English-language film)|of the same name}}. The new head and torso-front replace the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]]-style transformation of the base mold, so his head does not need to be removed during transformation. While he does retain Mindwipe's cockpit, the interior is remolded, preventing a [[Titan Master]] from being able to sit inside. The figure's newly-tooled hands in robot mode are modelled after the open hand molds of [[Scourge_(G1)/toys#Studio_Series|''Studio Series'' Scourge]] (left hand) and the [[Sweep (G1)#Studio Series|Sweep]] (right hand). His bat mode's head, the tip of the wings, and the [[Kibble#.22Faux-parts.22|fake wings in robot mode]] use softer plastic. It is unknown if the cracking wing hinges issue is carried from the original toy, so caution is advised.

:The two weapons redecoed from Mindwipe can still combine, and they can attach as a tail in bat mode when pegged into the 5mm hole under Dracula's head. The melee-like weapon with a flip-out blade is named the "Impaler Claw", which references the popular "{{w|Vlad the Impaler}}" nickname of Vlad III, inspiration for the literary Dracula. Draculus also includes a cloth cape that can be worn in both modes. Hasbro stock photography (right) incorrectly uses the cape in bat mode, as it is supposed to fill out his silhouette when the wings are detached from the body, as seen on the packaging. Anecdotally, Draculus' cape can survive machine washing.

:The packaging for this figure is designed to resemble a VHS tape.

:Draculus was a [[Target]] and [[Hasbro Pulse]] [[exclusive]] in the [[United States of America|U.S.]], and also Hasbro Pulse in the [[United Kingdom|U.K.]] and [[Canada]]. Draculus was also a Mighty Ape exclusive in [[New Zealand]].

:This mold was also used to make [[Convobat]].
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[[Category:Collaborative]]
[[Category:Decepticons]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]
[[Category:Vampires]]

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