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User talk:The Wadapan

2022-07-12T22:12:09Z

NOISEMAZE: /* Wheelie */ new section

== Hey ==

Two things: 1, I'm glad that someone else around here wants to work on the TFCC pages. 2, I have a bunch of the older stuff like bios and what not saved onto my harddrive, including the Mini-Cons and the TOTGD bios, and if you e-mail me, I can get you some of them. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:22, 10 June 2017 (EDT)
:Hey!
:1. I'm new here and am starting to grasp that the 'never-ending ocean of editors who all know more than me' is not actually as large as I thought, so it's nice to have something that I feel I can meaningfully contribute to. I'm surprised that, for all the arguing about Ask Vector Prime nuances and stuff, people don't seem to be that enthused with the FunPub stuff. Personally I really enjoy the Shattered Glass stories in particular and their main pages are a disservice.
:2. It took me forever to track down a lot of the FunPub media on the internet, and I actually found a lot of the Mini-Con bios. 46 of them, to be precise, so if you have any more than that you can send me the lot via dragonflame847@gmail.com. In terms of the TOTGD ones, I only have Stopgap's so I'd really appreciate those. I also have a tiny bio-card for Chromedome and Rewind titled 'INSIRT', so if there's any more like those that'd be awesome. Finally, I have all the MTMTE profiles published in the TFCC magazine but am pretty sure I'm missing a few from the Timelines issues.
:3. Speaking of bios, I was wondering how they should be treated in terms of character pages. Some characters have profiles included in their 'appearances' as a story source, but many profiles go completely unmentioned on those character pages. Is it worth including a very short sentence in the 'appearances' section for characters with FunPub bios, if only with the intent of saying 'they got a bio here'? I know there's varying degrees of these things as story sources, for instance Blackarachnia and Depth Charge's profiles being the only BW:U fiction for ages. And there's also the question of where the members-only profiles should go - they're not Timelines, they're not from the Magazine. Personally I'd include them on the magazine page for the sake of simplicity, but that's not technically accurate.
:4. Had a glance on your user page and saw you had the translated Cybertronix text there - personally I really think it'd be nice to have the earlier ones on a 'story source' page like the ones for those in the later stories. Perhaps one page with subsections for each story, with links to the existing pages for A Brush With Infamy et al?
:I'm currently right in the middle of exams but will be done relatively soon and fully intend to help out with this sort of stuff more then. I'll probably make a bunch of sandboxes and mess around with the layout of the pages until I come up with something people like. - [[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 17:49, 10 June 2017 (EDT)
::2: Ah, okay. I have all the online ones, and the four Predacon ones. The Timelines I can get as well. And there were a few online ones, I'll find them.
::3: Yeah, I'd say, if they have story information in them, they should be there somewhere.
::4: Maybe that would work. I'd say for stuff like Broken Windshields or Trigger Warnings, it's not really enough to need a page. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:01, 10 June 2017 (EDT)

Just popping my head in to say that I'm all up for helping out on the FunPub publications information whenever possible. I stumbled across an archive of the entire run of the TFCC on a Russian fansite and currently have that on my hard drive, along with the comics published during BotCon. While I may not be overly familiar with the contents, I can always do a dive into the archive and pull out what's needed.--[[User:NewtypeS3|NewtypeS3]] ([[User talk:NewtypeS3|talk]]) 17:20, 1 November 2017 (EDT)
:Hi, I have access to that stuff so don't worry. Of course if you feel like helping out with edits themselves and stuff, that'd be awesome - I made it about halfway through updating the TFCC pages into a more complete and consistent format, but I'm at uni now so finding the time to comb the issues is tricky for me. Was looking to do some next week. Glad for any help! [[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 19:08, 1 November 2017 (EDT)

==TFNation==

Nice to meet you at the con. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 04:42, 15 August 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks! Talking to you and David was the highlight of the con for me. This was my first con and I don't usually like talking to strangers, but I really felt welcome and it was really interesting hearing you all talk about BW:U. I got around to reading ReAnimated the night before last and think the whole team really did an excellent job. You nail the characters' voices and it certainly feels like you've given another universe a satisfying conclusion. I wish I'd gotten the chance to read it before the panel, but the spoilers were worth it as that panel was really interesting. I managed to grab a Sentinel Prime in the last five minutes before I left and was glad I did, because he's great in the comic.
:Any chance we should be covering the comic on this wiki? I haven't heard any mention of it in this context, but surely it falls under a similar banner to [[Alignment]]. I know you didn't work on the show, but you worked on the Almanac... That's how I feel, anyway. But I won't be the one to make the page. [[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:22, 15 August 2017 (EDT)
::Feel free to hit me up on Facebook if you want to chat. This is not really the right venue for that. But no, the comic should not be on the wiki even as apocrypha. It's completely unofficial. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 08:26, 15 August 2017 (EDT)
:::Noted, thanks. [[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 08:34, 15 August 2017 (EDT)

== Tribute to Victory ==

This was probably a reference to the ultimately unreleased Victory Saber and Dessaras Robot Heroes 2 pack. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:11, 30 January 2018 (EST)
:Excellent, I'll add that to the [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 23| relevant page]]. [[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 16:44, 30 January 2018 (EST)

== Classics ==

SOME of that could go in a note at the bottom, explaining how the fan reaction led to later releases. But it doesn't belong in the list of what was released.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:31, 30 October 2018 (EDT)

== Wheelie ==

In doing my erratic check-in of various hobbies/interests I went to check the Wheelie page and it's put an absolute smile on my face to see the article still up as it is. (And it's nice to see my intended message did end up being taken in good faith by someone, after thinking I'd made an absolute moron of myself and taken away from the point I wanted to make.) Thanks so much for your effort. I read it and enjoyed it greatly, and I hope it gets to stay. --[[User:NOISEMAZE|NOISEMAZE]] ([[User talk:NOISEMAZE|talk]]) 18:12, 12 July 2022 (EDT)

User talk:NOISEMAZE

2022-03-21T19:15:54Z

NOISEMAZE:

{{welcome}}

I think we've gotten off on the wrong foot; we've had a lot of people signing up just to stir trouble recently, so I've been on edge. I apologize for attacking you, I shouldn't of been that quick to anger or assuming bad intent. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:47, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I only saw this now, just after leaving the Discord server to try and iron out the apparent confusion and just causing more. Apology means a lot, thank you. From the conversations I had with a few other people there, it does seem like "hey I'm here as a newly registered account" set off alarm bells and in that context "You guys are nuts" comes across as hostile, regardless of how I meant it to be read. I'm a strong believer in "LURK MOAR" and since I've been lurking the Wiki since 2007 ''(hence the username!)'', thought that would be enough, but still ended up oblivious to any recent actions putting folks in a state of high alert. Careless on my part and I guess my comeuppance is that it's clearly undermined whatever pespective it was I wanted to share. --[[User:NOISEMAZE|NOISEMAZE]] ([[User talk:NOISEMAZE|talk]]) 15:15, 21 March 2022 (EDT)

User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27

2022-03-21T16:50:24Z

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==Cultural stuff==
I kind of figured that my addition would be removed. Do we have a page or could we have a page for cultural stuff when something like ''The Goldbergs'' references the 1986 movie? // [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] ([[User talk:Anythingspossibleforapossible|talk]]) 08:47, 10 October 2021 (EDT)
:There's an [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#Toys used as Props|ongoing discussion]] in the Community Portal about it. Feel free to chime in! -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 12:03, 10 October 2021 (EDT)
::Thanks, I just did! // [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] ([[User talk:Anythingspossibleforapossible|talk]]) 18:05, 10 October 2021 (EDT)

==Rotorstorm Transformers Tactical Arena==
The information I added was his in game bio. Do we have to put in game bio's in past tense? [[User:Bergen08|Bergen08]] ([[User talk:Bergen08|talk]]) 01:23, 7 November 2021 (EST)
:Given that it was written like a normal piece of fiction, I think it makes sense to, just going by our style guide. Also, you didn't copy it whole hog from the game, did you? Because it would need rewriting/tweaking if it was copied. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 01:33, 7 November 2021 (EST)

==ATB mold templates==
Just pointing out that [[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]] and [[Smokescreen (G2)|Smokescreen]] were the first uses of that mold. Not Megatron/Starscream. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 07:28, 7 December 2021 (EST)
:Oh yeah, I forgot about them. Oops. I'll fix that in a moment. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 07:29, 7 December 2021 (EST)

== Escargon ==

I am not of the impression you're a moderator, but I wanted to reinforce as an aside what I said about Escargon on the talkpage for Wheelie. Someone who is so ready to cuss out a new member just because they don't agree with them is probably not what you want to be seen to unconditionally approve of or equivocate with someone who was just here to express an alternative take to the apparent consensus. First time I've had someone swear at me on a wiki. Just wanted to share this with you; food for thought. --[[User:NOISEMAZE|NOISEMAZE]] ([[User talk:NOISEMAZE|talk]]) 12:50, 21 March 2022 (EDT)

Talk:Wheelie (G1)

2022-03-21T05:14:39Z

NOISEMAZE: /* Archiving and reformatting */

I applaud the profile. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:03, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
::It's amazing how many sentences can rhyme without not making sense. [[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 19:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
: Well, on second thought, I applaud the concept of the bio, but think the content is more appropriate for the animated continuity section. It seems to chronicle the circumstances of the movie, and not his personality. (Remember, in Dreamwave, he was never on Quintessa that we saw.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

:Point conceded. The new bio's better than mine anyway. The whole entry is much improved. So many horrible rhymes...bwahahahahaha. --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 12:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

We totally need to complete this entry. This deserves to be a Featured Article. sadly, I'm pretty awful about fiction. I OWN most of it, but don't REMEMBER it very well. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Having just rhymed all through the section I just added, I have no idea how Wheelie keeps it up 24/7. Exhausting! --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 09:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
:Rhyming isn't really all that hard if you have the vocabulary of a bard. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 13:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Fixed the manga summary to rhyme and keep the gag going. Though I think I write rhymes more like Dr. Seuss than Wheelie...--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

wow, this profile almost makes me wish I didn't use my Wheelie toy as cannon fodder in the late 80's -- great job with the rhymes whoever did this should work for a greeting card company

I'm fine with the rhyming in the article, but the rhythm really needs work. I'd change it, but I'm afraid of being accused of ripping apart large sections of the article for no good reason (see Walky's comment below).--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 22:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

==Not yet to be Featured==
Sipher, the reason I unfeatured it is because the inconsistency of the rhyme's meter is really embarrassing. If you read the history, you'll see my note. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:Then maybe you should have removed the "Featured Article" Category, which is why I put the tag on it (and is still there as of your last edit). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:: Indeed I should! Meanwhile, history is your friend. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

==Commercial voice==
Walky, Frank Welker never VOICED Scrappy-Doo! He did, however, voice Peewit. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:57, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Welker ''did'' voice Zzcooby & Freddy in new show! [[User:Wazzpinator|Wazzpinator]] 18:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

==Italian names==
I don't have the brainpower to add these in rhyme tonight. If somebody could, Wheelie was called Saetta in the dub of TFTM, and... apparently ''Scooter'' in everything else. (At least, it doesn't SEEM to be a joke...) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:06, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:I apologize. - Chris McFeely, not signed in

== Continuity rhymes ==

"Continuity" doesn't rhyme with "see". [It rhymes with "bitty", to pick an irrelevant-but-accurate example] - 21:39, 16 August 2009 (EDT)
:It also rhymes with "enginuity"! -- [[User:Ziyad|Ziyad]] 20:03, 18 August 2009 (EDT)
::Or even "ingenuity"!--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:27, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Ooh! Here's one that's on-topic, "ambiguity"!! -- [[User:Ziyad|Ziyad]] 07:14, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

== But seriously, folks... ==

...am I going to be hugely unpopular if I state my belief that the article has, at this point, gone way overboard? Rhymes in the section headers, line-breaks all over the place, rhymes being used to describe continuities where he ''didn't rhyme''... I think that this page has long since crossed the line between "fun" and "taking it way too far". Frankly, I would almost be in favour of scaling it back to just having a rhyming opening and captions. A ''lot'' of the fiction section is, to my eyes, suffering because of the demands of the rhyme scheme. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:11, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:All my hard work...unappreciated...:( --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 10:47, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::But to be serious, I wrote nearly all the rhymes in the fiction portion of the article and created the linebreaks so folks could see the scheme. The rhymes in the fiction headers and continuity notes were some no-username's doing and I've never been very fond of them.
::Still, if many people agree that the humor interferes with the facts, then we can put it to a vote as to whether we get rid of the rhymes in the headers, the rhymes all together or if we just leave it. It may be ''my'' joke, but I'm not going to have a heart attack if others want to change it so it doesn't interfere with the facts (unlike ''some'' members of this Wiki). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 10:54, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Aw, it's not that it's not appreciated, I see what you were doing, but it's... it's like Bonecrusher hate jokes. We started out with them and they were funny when the article was small but then when it was filled in they got really tiresome but people kept dogpiling 'em on anyway, until we had to say "No more". That's sort of what I'm feeling here. The idea worked when the article was small, but when it's full (which it ''isn't'' yet!) I think it gets in the way more than it is fun. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:56, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::::I need to concur, although we should keep SOME rhymes for sure. At the very least, his summary. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:20, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::''I need to concur/although we should keep SOME rhymes for sure.''
:::::Why, there's one right there! :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:31, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
But this is the most awesome page on the wiki. It's one of the things people think of when they talk about how awesome our wiki is. It's like getting rid of the teacup ride at Disneyland. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:35, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:Or the testicles in ROTF. The ''Awesome'' defense only goes so far, especially in Transformers.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:44, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::That's a terrible analogy. When people talk about our wiki, they mention our Wheelie article that is all rhymes, and this is a good thing that they think epitomizes what we stand for and why we're better than other wikis. When people talk about Devastator's balls, it's derisively. I don't understand your comparison. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:46, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::::It's simple - Devastator's testicle's are 'awesome.' Bay thinks so. A lot of the moviegoing public though so. Most 'serious' fans thought otherwise. But an awful lot of people laughed and laughed at them, probably more than will ever read this wiki. Just because one group of people thinks something is awesome doesn't keep it from getting in the way of (imparting information / telling a strong story.) The fandom can be be a bit of an insulated community - an echo chamber, if you will. Pointing to anecdotal evidence one way or the other shouldn't be our benchmark. It's much more useful to go back to core principles.
::::But mostly I was seizing on your use of the word ''awesome'' which has been forever commingled with Bay for me.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:25, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Well, I think the charm of us writing articles in the personality of the characters extends to more than just this one. [[Crankcase (G1)|Crankcase]], [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]], etc., for instance. It can actually be weirdly useful sometimes in conveying information about characters without having to spell it out. But, if it's getting in the way of having an actual informative article in any instance, then it ''does'' need toning down. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:35, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

::I agree some of the rhyming should go. The headers, external link, notes and voice actor info in rhyme seems redundant to me, if not annoying. I can somewhat dig the argument not to put rhyme in sections of fiction in which he didn't rhyme, although I'd hate to see it go. But what I think would greatly help this article is a better layout. Currently, the article is all rather statically and confusingly "text-humongous white space-pic". I'd like to see it being connected a tad more by switching the text-pic order every second fiction/rhyme-paragraph (as well as having some of the paragraphs expanded). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:48, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::I think all of the ''paragraphs'' should remain in rhyme. Headers, bullet-point "list" items... no. That's overkill. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:51, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Yeah, mark me down as a compromise vote. Ditch the headers/notes, etc rhymes but keep the fiction section poetry. Partly because I spent a lot of time writing most of it, but also because I don't think the fiction poetry really interferes with the knowledge. The headers and stuff is annoying, though. --'''DrSpengler (at work, can't log in)'''
::::I'll agree with that. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 14:55, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
::::I'd quite happily dump the whole joke, which was never that funny. And it does seriously impede the article. '''Vote NO on this from me''' [[User:Eire]] 20.02 Oct 12 09 (UTC)

==Japanese fiction: Rhyme or Not Rhyme?==

Recently, I've been told to stop writing the Japanese fiction sections in rhyme because Wheelie didn't rhyme in Japan, and that all rhymes should be reverted to standard. I wrote the Japanes fiction sections in rhyme to keep up the theme and flow of the article, and because it was fun, yeah. But if everyone else thinks the Japanese fiction sections should be de-rhymed, then so be it. Let's take a vote. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:26, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''AGAINST''' rhyme in the Japanese section. It simply isn't appropriate for that incarnation of the character.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 12:39, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for it''' because I like the general theme of the page, it's fun, and because Wheelie only never rhymed because the Japanese language sucks at rhyming (same reason why their poems and music lyrics don't rhyme). The sentence structure just doesn't work in its favor. Just because the Japanese couldn't do it doesn't mean we should follow suit. English rocks at rhyming. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:55, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:Here's me voting '''for it''', because if we're going to do a gag, we ought to be consistent with it throughout the article, or it looks half-assed. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:33, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for it'''. Keep it consistent or keep it out. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:38, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:Just so there's no confusion, I am obviously '''for it'''. I think the rhymes make the article fun and I believe that having random non-rhyming chunks would break up the flow of the page. And doing it just because Wheelie didn't rhyme in certain continuities isn't worth killing the fun. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:40, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for it'''. Keeps the page consistent and there's already someone willing to do it. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 14:00, 8 February 2010 (EST)
: I vote '''AGAINST''' all the rhyme. Seriously, you ever sit down and try to exract information from this page? Imagine you're someone who knows nothing of Wheelie. After reading this I guarantee you'll know even less. [[User: Eire]] 18.59 8 Feb 2010
:: Hey, were you the [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Tales_of_the_Fallen_issue_5&diff=414380&oldid=413827 guy who called a dude a schmuck for no real reason], and so then he [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/593224.html?thread=14980936#t14980936 quit this wiki] because he was treated like shit? You don't get a vote. Especially since you think Florida and Cuba are separated by a friggin' river. (Anyway, I vote against rhyming in the Headmasters section.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:07, 8 February 2010 (EST)

:I vote '''against''' the rhyme, and note that when I first read this page, the break ''away'' from rhyming was hilarious... particularly because the text of the section was written in short, flat deliberately ''boring'' sentences to maximize the contrast. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:08, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::Yeah. I don't vote for the lack of rhyming in the Headmasters section for technicality reasons, but because it would be hilarious. Especially if it were written like a petulant little punk. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:09, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:'''AGAINST''' btw. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:09, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I'm '''for it''' as I think it'd disrupt the flow, if it was only randomly rhyming.'''--TFDatabase'''
::''Whatever'' policy we adopt, it's not going to be random. If it rhymes, it's for a reason. If it doesn't rhyme (especially in specific sections), it's also for a reason.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 15:03, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:::But it LOOKS random (at least before you know why it was done). Also, it seems weird that TFDatabase gets jumped on for using the same wording Spengs did earlier.[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:10, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::::Just a fluke of timing. Nothing more. It's not like I'm constantly on the Wiki monitoring each and every comment that comes on.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 16:03, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for''' for the reasons already listed by so many others. Now, if you could find a way to do that section in haiku instead... [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:35, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::That idea is morbidly appealing. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:50, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:::MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:57, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I'm '''for it'''. As Detour mentioned, Japanese sentence structures don't allow much room for rhyming and the rhyming is unique to Wheelie (like how SG Nightbeat's page is done in Edward G. Robinson's gangster character fashion).
:(Haiku? Good grief...) --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:27, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::...so I have an evil sense of humor. You won't hold it against me, will you? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:44, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:::Not really, but I can imagine the chore of parsing everything down to 5-7-5. Heck, [[Wikipedia:Waka (poetry)#Tanka|tanka]] might be a better option given its 5-7-5-7-7. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 19:07, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for''' the rhyming, for the reasons already given. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:41, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::'''As do I''', we have it noted that he didn't rhyme in other dubs anyway. [[User:Stevo|Stevo]] 17:49, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''against''' rhyming in the Headmasters section. Having that section being assholey makes it even funnier, and Headmasters Wheelie is they guy who wouldn't go along with it simply to be a jerk. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:14, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for''' rhyming, as otherwise we should probably stick a disclaimer at the start of the Headmasters section because you know others will come along and make it rhyme again later anyway.--[[User:MCRG Again|MCRG Again]] 18:56, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:'''Against''' rhyming, because the Headmasters section should read like the dialog of the show: boring and stating the obvious, repeatedly. (I'd be for haiku form, though) -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 19:08, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I'm '''FOR''' rhyming because it'd flow badly otherwise. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:13, 8 February 2010 (EST)

: I would totally support rewriting ''Headmasters'' Wheelie in sarcastic Goth format, if it could be pulled off well. Otherwise.... eh. Having the rhyming is overkill. Not having it is inconsistent. Pick your poison! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:16, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:'''FOR''' rhyming. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 21:23, 8 February 2010 (EST)

I declare voting over. I'd only be convinced to ditch Spengler's large amounts of work over a technicality is if voting were overwhelmingly in favor of it. Like, near-unanimous. And that certainly isn't the case, so the rhyming stays. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:54, 8 February 2010 (EST)

:Yaayyy! I'm appreciated! I've got tomorrow off work so I'll knock out a few more episodes. If it's any consolation to those who voted against the rhymes, in order to write these fiction summaries I have to actually ''watch'' each episode. A most-terrible fate. So this is a very hollow victory for Spengler. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:44, 8 February 2010 (EST)

Okay, you know what? I seriously retract my earlier moan about the rhyming. Spengler is utterly rocking this, getting across all the relevant info in a way I never thought was possible. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:58, 15 February 2010 (EST)
:I'm cookin' MCs like a pound of bacon, yo. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:02, 15 February 2010 (EST)

==Featured Article material?==

So, I finally finished the thing. His every fiction section is completed, pics are plentiful and, so far as I know, his toy page is up to snuff (toys aren't my forte', I admit). Do you think this article is worthy of Featured Article status? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:04, 14 April 2010 (EDT)
:Considering Walky already slapped the Featured template on it, apparently it is. ;)
:(It's certainly the most impressive of our self-demonstrating articles, that's for damn sure.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:13, 14 April 2010 (EDT)
::Aw jeez, somehow I completely missed that. My bad! Disregard this! (and thanks, Walky!) --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:18, 14 April 2010 (EDT)

== If we ever get the chance... ==

I'd love to see a picture of Wheelie being attacked by Decepticons on this article with the caption "Oh men of dark and dismal fate, forego your cruel employ! Have pity on my lonely state: I am an orphan boy!" (This is a quote from Gilbert & Sullivan's ''Pirates of Penzance'', for the operatically ignorant.) I realize that there is no good picture for this caption as of now and that this will likely not happen, but I thought I'd just throw that out there. Also, kudos to those brave men and women who endeavored to write this article. You would make your English teachers proud.
<br>- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 00:33, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

== Wow ==

I can't even begin to imagine the effort that went into this. Truly epic! - [[User:LucidFox|LucidFox]] 10:29, 12 January 2012 (EST)

== Generations toy caption ideas ==

I pity the fool who's no Meister retool!

I pity the fool who ain't a retool!

Reformatted to look like Meister? I think this body is much nicer!

I may look like Jazz, Stepper, Longarm (not Prime)--but do any of them ever bother to rhyme?

I used to be a Minicar; a Jazz retool is better by far!

A Jazz retool can never fail (as long as you ignore the [[scale]])!

[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] 02:35, 26 September 2012 (EDT)

== What rhymes with 'orange'? ==

1) This entry is amazing, but 2) all this and no joke about the notorious difficulty of rhyming the word 'orange'?--[[User:Dubbilex|Dubbilex]] 03:29, 30 December 2012 (EST)
:"Door-hinge". I learned that from the Muppets. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:06, 1 March 2013 (EST)
::How about a rhyme for "purple"? "Urkel"? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:09, 1 March 2013 (EST)
:Bloom County recommends "whore binge". [[User:Phasma Felis|Phasma Felis]] 16:49, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

== Can we please tone down on the rhyming? ==

I get that a lot of you have spent a to of time and effort making this entire article rhyme, but can you guys please re-edit parts of this article to tone it down and remove the rhyming in some areas, specifically in the notes and toy section?

A little bit of rhyming would be fine, but to be blunt, the way the article is written is not pleasant to look at and the rhyming just makes the article feel like a chore to read. It gets tiring to read very quickly and I would rather have the information be just available rather then hidden under annoying rhymes.

If not, can we at least have a non-rhyming version of this available via suite, similar to how some of the character articles are split into multiple pages like Main, G1 Cartoon, Toys and Merchandise etc? That way, you can keep the rhyming versions for those who want and a non-rhyming for those who don't want to read this version?

Again, sorry for coming across as a buzz-kill, but I just find the article not fun to read and I don't want to decrypt rhymes just to read the trivia.[[User:Gretnablue|Gretnablue]] ([[User talk:Gretnablue|talk]]) 17:41, 22 November 2015 (EST)
:I wouldn't mind a double of the article that doesn't rhyme. Information should always take precedence. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 18:48, 22 November 2015 (EST)

Mmm... be careful with that. Make a version without the rhyming if you must, but who will govern that the information is the same between the two? Also... One of the reasons I love this Wikia to bits is how it doesn't take itself so seriously while it indeed provides way more than I ever wanted to know about Transformers. And sure, the meter is all over the place, but then again, Wheelie wasn't consistent, either. -- Jerryteacup, 30 December 2016
:Also remember the huge bold text at the top of [[Talk:Main Page]]. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 19:13, 30 December 2016 (EST)

== There are other rhyming blokes, maybe they could make good jokes ==

We all know Wheelie's the master of rhymes,

But there are others that talk like that all the time!

There's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadblock_(G.I._Joe) Roadblock], [http://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/Crackotage Crackotage] and even [http://adventuretime.wikia.com/wiki/Choose_Goose Choose Goose]

And baddies like [http://banjokazooie.wikia.com/wiki/Gruntilda_Winkybunion Grunty] who like to let loose!

With that in mind, it could be fun

To reference these guys on "Wheelie (G1)".

There's even a [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RhymesOnADime trope entry one can look up]

To see what character references one can cook up!
--[[User:Samus Aran|Samus Aran]] ([[User talk:Samus Aran|talk]]) 09:29, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

== Can we at least clear up some of this infomation on this article? ==

Looking above, it seems clear that the ryhming just isn't going away, but can we at least make the infomation clear? In someplaces, the ryhmes just feel like they get in the way or their is simply infomation just missing because you could figure out a way for it to rhyme. Like reading the toy section, next to the info about the G1 toy is a image of two colour variants, but the section mentions nothing on why. Similarly, the Titans Return starts going on about how it lacks a weapon, but since nearly all the others don't have weapons, why is this signifficant and why was it the only one that wasn't a shelfwarmer?

Also the Headmasters Manga section is rather unclear as well and so is the Armada bit in the Trivia section (what is the fact their excatly) and just all over, their are just ryhmes that don't make sense unless you already know what's it about (which makes it useless to newcomers)or just seem to be there for the sake of being there.

Honestly, this and a few others pages feel like you care more about in-jokes and being funny rather than being informative and just ended up looking elsewhere for the info I was looking gor Wheelie toys because I got sick of the ryhmes. [[User:TheGreenGardenOfTWST|TheGreenGardenOfTWST]] ([[User talk:TheGreenGardenOfTWST|talk]]) 04:39, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

I agree that, at this point, the article is difficult to read and the joke has been worn down. Blurr and Jorge Figueroa all have their joke idioms confined to the first section only, Liar Starscream is easy to understand, and Rewind's page goes back to normal for the IDW section where the story details actually mattered. Wheelie has been a pretty minor character everywhere and was probably least unimportant in the G1 cartoon and Headmasters (and did he even speak in rhyme in Headmasters?), so if there were a magic button we could press to turn those sections normal, I'd agree with it. But it's not worthwhile for anyone to trudge back now and try to regenerate it all in normal speech.... nor do I really think it will make any difference at this point if we say "as of Sept. 2017 this joke is over, we're writing his few and unimportant comic appearances non-rhymingly from this point on." So I guess... there's nothing we can do. But yeah, I agree, there should have been a line drawn. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:36, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

== Archiving and reformatting ==

It was brought up over a year ago on Discord that this article has become pretty problematic. I brought up the disccusion around that time in the community portal but it fell on deaf ears, so I figured it's time to try re-evaluating again.

'''My thoughts:'''

In my opinion, the article spends far too much time on the gimmick/joke, than actually providing any useful info. The article is hard to read or obtain any decent info out of because its sole focus is to make every section a rhyming stanza. I've personally found myself going in there multiple times (even before I signed up to the wiki), to find out something really quick and left with nothing, and instead had to spend several minutes to hours flicking through episodes of G1 or chapters of Legends or whatever myself to find out the information I was looking for, which is all very well when you have the source material at your disposal, but not a lot of people do, and that's typically why they come to the wiki in the first place. I get the joke and I'll admit that I found it funny when I first discovered the article however many years ago, but when you actually start to read it or pick it apart, you start to realize that it's not actually helpful at all and it becomes extremely obvious that most of the thought that's gone into it is "how can I make this rhyme?" and not "does this actually explain anything?". I'm not sure that is something we should be setting our main focus on as a wiki. I know that we've built a reputation for the article's format in the past by the wider internet fandom etc, but I don't think any of those people had really taken the time to see if what they're reading actually makes sense or tells them something worthwhile.

The other big issue I have is that it also makes it hard for users to contribute to in any way because everything has to be formulated in rhyme. A hypothetical situation I brought up last night whenever re-opening the year-old topic was: What if there happened to be one person who had done extensive research into something and was the only person to have that particular knowledge, but couldn't add it to the article because they can't word it into rhyme? Like, yeah, they ''could'' get someone else to do it, but then that becomes counterproductive and makes it inaccessible to users, which isn't exactly wiki-easy-and-accessible-to-anyone-friendly.

'''Discord's thoughts:'''

I don't want to speak too much for other people, but the general consensus so far has been to leave the rhyming for the intro paragraph and the image captions, while also archiving the article as it is now with a link at the bottom of the new article or wherever that preserves it as a piece of the wiki's history, that way we can keep at least some form of it, while also working to make it more informative.

Anyways, I've rambled on enough. Let the discussion commence! -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 20:22, 18 January 2022 (EST)
:I agree. Get rid of the rhymes in at least the fiction section. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:08, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:I think something similar to [[Tyroxia]] and [[Tyroxia/trans]] would be a good solution.—[[User:DDog|DDog]] ([[User talk:DDog|talk]]) 16:33, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:The rhyming should be only the intro and the picture captions. Though I don't envy whoever has to wallow through and undo all of that... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:24, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:While I love the gimmick and I consider it pretty integral to the identity of the wiki... as a reader, i try to avoid this page and get any information i'd need from it elsewhere instead. so i think you have a point here, and some reevaluation of the gimmick is probably in order. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 18:13, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:Entirely agreed with this. To quote myself on the Discord: "Yes, we like being The Funny Wiki, but when that gets in the way of Wheelie's page being actually informative or readable then I think that's the point at which the funny should ''not'' stay." --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:42, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:I do feel like the rhyming thing could in theory be fine, if it was just ''better'', but a lot of it is neither clearly informative nor good poetry. To quote someone on the Discord, "Wheelies page has weak bars". I'm going to post Tindalos' pitch for how to handle it:
::''Once upon a time this page was made in verse,''
::''We think the new one's fine, but just in case it's worse:''
::''We ask you to forgive us, and that you shouldn't fear,''
::''The archived version with the rhymes can be found right [[Wheelie (G1)/rhyming|here]].''
:This would be perfect imo. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 18:52, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:Agree with removal. I could see leaving the lead and maybe the captions in rhyme, but wouldn't press too hard for either. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 21:32, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:Add another revise-and-archive from me as well. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 22:43, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:You guys are nuts. The criticism that the page "gets in the way of Wheelie's page being actually informative or readable" loses the plot – this is a wiki about a plastic toy from the 1980s, and the Saturday morning commercial made [[to sell toys|to sell it to you]]. I signed up just to make this post, and hopefully that's understood as a meaningful vote form a long-time lurker, than an irrelevant vote from a non-entity. [[User:NOISEMAZE|NOISEMAZE]] ([[User talk:NOISEMAZE|talk]]) 12:27, 20 March 2022 (EDT)
:: Saying "this franchise is just about plastic toys" is not the great argument point you think it is, especially in contrast to the majority of articles that exist on this wiki besides this one. The writing on this page is strained. The toys section is a mess because of attempting to stay in the gimmick while being informative. The IDW section completely loses the nuance of Syndromica by forcing itself under this gimmick. What's "nuts," as you put it, is the fact that this article has continued to be kept in this poor condition long after the joke stopped being funny. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:08, 20 March 2022 (EDT)
:::When you say it's "long after the joke stopped being funny," you're talking about how it's received with long-time wiki contributors who, presumably, Demand To Be Taken Seriously. It's a much more useful article in this form for general audiences who, in tiring themselves out in reading this article, eventually realize "wait, why am I reading a wiki article about, of all things, ''Wheelie?''" If this was an article about a character of consequence, it would matter, but I make the 'toy commercial' argument because in this context, it's a strong one. "The IDW section completely loses the nuance of Syndromica" is a set of words that has no meaning to me, so I can enjoy this article for what it is, whereas you're concerned people cannot read up about Wheelie lore. Bless your heart. --[[User:NOISEMAZE|NOISEMAZE]] ([[User talk:NOISEMAZE|talk]]) 16:15, 20 March 2022 (EDT)
::::You have to remember that there is a larger audience that may want to read this article for actual info. Taking your thoughts and opinions on the matter is valuable, but it seems you're not exactly the general audience we were talking about. Yes, Wheelie is an annoying rhyming character in the G1 cartoon, which was a glorified commercial, but the majority of his other appearances aren't like that (e.g. IDW or JG1). The peeps working on the Cyberverse cartoon were all told by Hasbro to come to the wiki for info on characters, because Hasbro doesn't keep any in-house info themselves. So that's another aspect we need to take into consideration: "Is it readable for people who know nothing about Transformers and are actually needing info for future cartoons or films?" -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 20:44, 20 March 2022 (EDT)
::::Alright, first off, don't be fucking cute; it's not endearing, and unlike others here, I'm not nearly as willing to let shit slide. I'm not gonna take any crap from someone whose just signed up to talk shit. Second off, your argument about Wheelie being a "character of no consequence" utterly falls apart when there's hundreds, if not thousands, of articles who could equally be argued to be of the same level of importance and yet who have perfectly normal articles otherwise. Third off, and this is related to the second point, if your whole reasoning for keeping this the way it is boils down to "why should I read an article that is about Wheelie" then why the fuck are you even reading the wiki at all? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:48, 20 March 2022 (EDT)
:::::Fanofcoolstuff and Escargon are right on all points, Noisemaze. And for the record, joining just to antagonize longtime editors (some of whom were responsible or the page as it is now) is not a good look, so I suggest you dial it back lest your stay here be a very short one. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:14, 20 March 2022 (EDT)
::::::Yes, Fanofcoolstuff brings up great points. Escargon has slid into vulgarities and condescension in a manner typical of their typical post history, and it's probably worth reviewing whether that behavior is a normal way of interacting with a new member. No one is going to have a good impression of a wiki if their first interaction with a 'longtime editor' is unchecked smarminess. [[User:NOISEMAZE|NOISEMAZE]] ([[User talk:NOISEMAZE|talk]]) 01:14, 21 March 2022 (EDT)

Talk:Wheelie (G1)

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NOISEMAZE: /* Archiving and reformatting */

I applaud the profile. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:03, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
::It's amazing how many sentences can rhyme without not making sense. [[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 19:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
: Well, on second thought, I applaud the concept of the bio, but think the content is more appropriate for the animated continuity section. It seems to chronicle the circumstances of the movie, and not his personality. (Remember, in Dreamwave, he was never on Quintessa that we saw.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

:Point conceded. The new bio's better than mine anyway. The whole entry is much improved. So many horrible rhymes...bwahahahahaha. --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 12:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

We totally need to complete this entry. This deserves to be a Featured Article. sadly, I'm pretty awful about fiction. I OWN most of it, but don't REMEMBER it very well. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Having just rhymed all through the section I just added, I have no idea how Wheelie keeps it up 24/7. Exhausting! --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 09:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
:Rhyming isn't really all that hard if you have the vocabulary of a bard. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 13:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Fixed the manga summary to rhyme and keep the gag going. Though I think I write rhymes more like Dr. Seuss than Wheelie...--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

wow, this profile almost makes me wish I didn't use my Wheelie toy as cannon fodder in the late 80's -- great job with the rhymes whoever did this should work for a greeting card company

I'm fine with the rhyming in the article, but the rhythm really needs work. I'd change it, but I'm afraid of being accused of ripping apart large sections of the article for no good reason (see Walky's comment below).--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 22:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

==Not yet to be Featured==
Sipher, the reason I unfeatured it is because the inconsistency of the rhyme's meter is really embarrassing. If you read the history, you'll see my note. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:Then maybe you should have removed the "Featured Article" Category, which is why I put the tag on it (and is still there as of your last edit). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:: Indeed I should! Meanwhile, history is your friend. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

==Commercial voice==
Walky, Frank Welker never VOICED Scrappy-Doo! He did, however, voice Peewit. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:57, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Welker ''did'' voice Zzcooby & Freddy in new show! [[User:Wazzpinator|Wazzpinator]] 18:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

==Italian names==
I don't have the brainpower to add these in rhyme tonight. If somebody could, Wheelie was called Saetta in the dub of TFTM, and... apparently ''Scooter'' in everything else. (At least, it doesn't SEEM to be a joke...) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:06, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:I apologize. - Chris McFeely, not signed in

== Continuity rhymes ==

"Continuity" doesn't rhyme with "see". [It rhymes with "bitty", to pick an irrelevant-but-accurate example] - 21:39, 16 August 2009 (EDT)
:It also rhymes with "enginuity"! -- [[User:Ziyad|Ziyad]] 20:03, 18 August 2009 (EDT)
::Or even "ingenuity"!--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:27, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Ooh! Here's one that's on-topic, "ambiguity"!! -- [[User:Ziyad|Ziyad]] 07:14, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

== But seriously, folks... ==

...am I going to be hugely unpopular if I state my belief that the article has, at this point, gone way overboard? Rhymes in the section headers, line-breaks all over the place, rhymes being used to describe continuities where he ''didn't rhyme''... I think that this page has long since crossed the line between "fun" and "taking it way too far". Frankly, I would almost be in favour of scaling it back to just having a rhyming opening and captions. A ''lot'' of the fiction section is, to my eyes, suffering because of the demands of the rhyme scheme. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:11, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:All my hard work...unappreciated...:( --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 10:47, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::But to be serious, I wrote nearly all the rhymes in the fiction portion of the article and created the linebreaks so folks could see the scheme. The rhymes in the fiction headers and continuity notes were some no-username's doing and I've never been very fond of them.
::Still, if many people agree that the humor interferes with the facts, then we can put it to a vote as to whether we get rid of the rhymes in the headers, the rhymes all together or if we just leave it. It may be ''my'' joke, but I'm not going to have a heart attack if others want to change it so it doesn't interfere with the facts (unlike ''some'' members of this Wiki). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 10:54, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Aw, it's not that it's not appreciated, I see what you were doing, but it's... it's like Bonecrusher hate jokes. We started out with them and they were funny when the article was small but then when it was filled in they got really tiresome but people kept dogpiling 'em on anyway, until we had to say "No more". That's sort of what I'm feeling here. The idea worked when the article was small, but when it's full (which it ''isn't'' yet!) I think it gets in the way more than it is fun. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:56, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::::I need to concur, although we should keep SOME rhymes for sure. At the very least, his summary. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:20, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::''I need to concur/although we should keep SOME rhymes for sure.''
:::::Why, there's one right there! :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:31, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
But this is the most awesome page on the wiki. It's one of the things people think of when they talk about how awesome our wiki is. It's like getting rid of the teacup ride at Disneyland. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:35, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:Or the testicles in ROTF. The ''Awesome'' defense only goes so far, especially in Transformers.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:44, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::That's a terrible analogy. When people talk about our wiki, they mention our Wheelie article that is all rhymes, and this is a good thing that they think epitomizes what we stand for and why we're better than other wikis. When people talk about Devastator's balls, it's derisively. I don't understand your comparison. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:46, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::::It's simple - Devastator's testicle's are 'awesome.' Bay thinks so. A lot of the moviegoing public though so. Most 'serious' fans thought otherwise. But an awful lot of people laughed and laughed at them, probably more than will ever read this wiki. Just because one group of people thinks something is awesome doesn't keep it from getting in the way of (imparting information / telling a strong story.) The fandom can be be a bit of an insulated community - an echo chamber, if you will. Pointing to anecdotal evidence one way or the other shouldn't be our benchmark. It's much more useful to go back to core principles.
::::But mostly I was seizing on your use of the word ''awesome'' which has been forever commingled with Bay for me.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:25, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Well, I think the charm of us writing articles in the personality of the characters extends to more than just this one. [[Crankcase (G1)|Crankcase]], [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]], etc., for instance. It can actually be weirdly useful sometimes in conveying information about characters without having to spell it out. But, if it's getting in the way of having an actual informative article in any instance, then it ''does'' need toning down. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:35, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

::I agree some of the rhyming should go. The headers, external link, notes and voice actor info in rhyme seems redundant to me, if not annoying. I can somewhat dig the argument not to put rhyme in sections of fiction in which he didn't rhyme, although I'd hate to see it go. But what I think would greatly help this article is a better layout. Currently, the article is all rather statically and confusingly "text-humongous white space-pic". I'd like to see it being connected a tad more by switching the text-pic order every second fiction/rhyme-paragraph (as well as having some of the paragraphs expanded). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:48, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::I think all of the ''paragraphs'' should remain in rhyme. Headers, bullet-point "list" items... no. That's overkill. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:51, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Yeah, mark me down as a compromise vote. Ditch the headers/notes, etc rhymes but keep the fiction section poetry. Partly because I spent a lot of time writing most of it, but also because I don't think the fiction poetry really interferes with the knowledge. The headers and stuff is annoying, though. --'''DrSpengler (at work, can't log in)'''
::::I'll agree with that. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 14:55, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
::::I'd quite happily dump the whole joke, which was never that funny. And it does seriously impede the article. '''Vote NO on this from me''' [[User:Eire]] 20.02 Oct 12 09 (UTC)

==Japanese fiction: Rhyme or Not Rhyme?==

Recently, I've been told to stop writing the Japanese fiction sections in rhyme because Wheelie didn't rhyme in Japan, and that all rhymes should be reverted to standard. I wrote the Japanes fiction sections in rhyme to keep up the theme and flow of the article, and because it was fun, yeah. But if everyone else thinks the Japanese fiction sections should be de-rhymed, then so be it. Let's take a vote. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:26, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''AGAINST''' rhyme in the Japanese section. It simply isn't appropriate for that incarnation of the character.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 12:39, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for it''' because I like the general theme of the page, it's fun, and because Wheelie only never rhymed because the Japanese language sucks at rhyming (same reason why their poems and music lyrics don't rhyme). The sentence structure just doesn't work in its favor. Just because the Japanese couldn't do it doesn't mean we should follow suit. English rocks at rhyming. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:55, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:Here's me voting '''for it''', because if we're going to do a gag, we ought to be consistent with it throughout the article, or it looks half-assed. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:33, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for it'''. Keep it consistent or keep it out. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:38, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:Just so there's no confusion, I am obviously '''for it'''. I think the rhymes make the article fun and I believe that having random non-rhyming chunks would break up the flow of the page. And doing it just because Wheelie didn't rhyme in certain continuities isn't worth killing the fun. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:40, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for it'''. Keeps the page consistent and there's already someone willing to do it. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 14:00, 8 February 2010 (EST)
: I vote '''AGAINST''' all the rhyme. Seriously, you ever sit down and try to exract information from this page? Imagine you're someone who knows nothing of Wheelie. After reading this I guarantee you'll know even less. [[User: Eire]] 18.59 8 Feb 2010
:: Hey, were you the [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Tales_of_the_Fallen_issue_5&diff=414380&oldid=413827 guy who called a dude a schmuck for no real reason], and so then he [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/593224.html?thread=14980936#t14980936 quit this wiki] because he was treated like shit? You don't get a vote. Especially since you think Florida and Cuba are separated by a friggin' river. (Anyway, I vote against rhyming in the Headmasters section.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:07, 8 February 2010 (EST)

:I vote '''against''' the rhyme, and note that when I first read this page, the break ''away'' from rhyming was hilarious... particularly because the text of the section was written in short, flat deliberately ''boring'' sentences to maximize the contrast. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:08, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::Yeah. I don't vote for the lack of rhyming in the Headmasters section for technicality reasons, but because it would be hilarious. Especially if it were written like a petulant little punk. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:09, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:'''AGAINST''' btw. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:09, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I'm '''for it''' as I think it'd disrupt the flow, if it was only randomly rhyming.'''--TFDatabase'''
::''Whatever'' policy we adopt, it's not going to be random. If it rhymes, it's for a reason. If it doesn't rhyme (especially in specific sections), it's also for a reason.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 15:03, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:::But it LOOKS random (at least before you know why it was done). Also, it seems weird that TFDatabase gets jumped on for using the same wording Spengs did earlier.[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:10, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::::Just a fluke of timing. Nothing more. It's not like I'm constantly on the Wiki monitoring each and every comment that comes on.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 16:03, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for''' for the reasons already listed by so many others. Now, if you could find a way to do that section in haiku instead... [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:35, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::That idea is morbidly appealing. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:50, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:::MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:57, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I'm '''for it'''. As Detour mentioned, Japanese sentence structures don't allow much room for rhyming and the rhyming is unique to Wheelie (like how SG Nightbeat's page is done in Edward G. Robinson's gangster character fashion).
:(Haiku? Good grief...) --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:27, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::...so I have an evil sense of humor. You won't hold it against me, will you? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:44, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:::Not really, but I can imagine the chore of parsing everything down to 5-7-5. Heck, [[Wikipedia:Waka (poetry)#Tanka|tanka]] might be a better option given its 5-7-5-7-7. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 19:07, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for''' the rhyming, for the reasons already given. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:41, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::'''As do I''', we have it noted that he didn't rhyme in other dubs anyway. [[User:Stevo|Stevo]] 17:49, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''against''' rhyming in the Headmasters section. Having that section being assholey makes it even funnier, and Headmasters Wheelie is they guy who wouldn't go along with it simply to be a jerk. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:14, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for''' rhyming, as otherwise we should probably stick a disclaimer at the start of the Headmasters section because you know others will come along and make it rhyme again later anyway.--[[User:MCRG Again|MCRG Again]] 18:56, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:'''Against''' rhyming, because the Headmasters section should read like the dialog of the show: boring and stating the obvious, repeatedly. (I'd be for haiku form, though) -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 19:08, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I'm '''FOR''' rhyming because it'd flow badly otherwise. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:13, 8 February 2010 (EST)

: I would totally support rewriting ''Headmasters'' Wheelie in sarcastic Goth format, if it could be pulled off well. Otherwise.... eh. Having the rhyming is overkill. Not having it is inconsistent. Pick your poison! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:16, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:'''FOR''' rhyming. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 21:23, 8 February 2010 (EST)

I declare voting over. I'd only be convinced to ditch Spengler's large amounts of work over a technicality is if voting were overwhelmingly in favor of it. Like, near-unanimous. And that certainly isn't the case, so the rhyming stays. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:54, 8 February 2010 (EST)

:Yaayyy! I'm appreciated! I've got tomorrow off work so I'll knock out a few more episodes. If it's any consolation to those who voted against the rhymes, in order to write these fiction summaries I have to actually ''watch'' each episode. A most-terrible fate. So this is a very hollow victory for Spengler. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:44, 8 February 2010 (EST)

Okay, you know what? I seriously retract my earlier moan about the rhyming. Spengler is utterly rocking this, getting across all the relevant info in a way I never thought was possible. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:58, 15 February 2010 (EST)
:I'm cookin' MCs like a pound of bacon, yo. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:02, 15 February 2010 (EST)

==Featured Article material?==

So, I finally finished the thing. His every fiction section is completed, pics are plentiful and, so far as I know, his toy page is up to snuff (toys aren't my forte', I admit). Do you think this article is worthy of Featured Article status? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:04, 14 April 2010 (EDT)
:Considering Walky already slapped the Featured template on it, apparently it is. ;)
:(It's certainly the most impressive of our self-demonstrating articles, that's for damn sure.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:13, 14 April 2010 (EDT)
::Aw jeez, somehow I completely missed that. My bad! Disregard this! (and thanks, Walky!) --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:18, 14 April 2010 (EDT)

== If we ever get the chance... ==

I'd love to see a picture of Wheelie being attacked by Decepticons on this article with the caption "Oh men of dark and dismal fate, forego your cruel employ! Have pity on my lonely state: I am an orphan boy!" (This is a quote from Gilbert & Sullivan's ''Pirates of Penzance'', for the operatically ignorant.) I realize that there is no good picture for this caption as of now and that this will likely not happen, but I thought I'd just throw that out there. Also, kudos to those brave men and women who endeavored to write this article. You would make your English teachers proud.
<br>- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 00:33, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

== Wow ==

I can't even begin to imagine the effort that went into this. Truly epic! - [[User:LucidFox|LucidFox]] 10:29, 12 January 2012 (EST)

== Generations toy caption ideas ==

I pity the fool who's no Meister retool!

I pity the fool who ain't a retool!

Reformatted to look like Meister? I think this body is much nicer!

I may look like Jazz, Stepper, Longarm (not Prime)--but do any of them ever bother to rhyme?

I used to be a Minicar; a Jazz retool is better by far!

A Jazz retool can never fail (as long as you ignore the [[scale]])!

[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] 02:35, 26 September 2012 (EDT)

== What rhymes with 'orange'? ==

1) This entry is amazing, but 2) all this and no joke about the notorious difficulty of rhyming the word 'orange'?--[[User:Dubbilex|Dubbilex]] 03:29, 30 December 2012 (EST)
:"Door-hinge". I learned that from the Muppets. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:06, 1 March 2013 (EST)
::How about a rhyme for "purple"? "Urkel"? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:09, 1 March 2013 (EST)
:Bloom County recommends "whore binge". [[User:Phasma Felis|Phasma Felis]] 16:49, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

== Can we please tone down on the rhyming? ==

I get that a lot of you have spent a to of time and effort making this entire article rhyme, but can you guys please re-edit parts of this article to tone it down and remove the rhyming in some areas, specifically in the notes and toy section?

A little bit of rhyming would be fine, but to be blunt, the way the article is written is not pleasant to look at and the rhyming just makes the article feel like a chore to read. It gets tiring to read very quickly and I would rather have the information be just available rather then hidden under annoying rhymes.

If not, can we at least have a non-rhyming version of this available via suite, similar to how some of the character articles are split into multiple pages like Main, G1 Cartoon, Toys and Merchandise etc? That way, you can keep the rhyming versions for those who want and a non-rhyming for those who don't want to read this version?

Again, sorry for coming across as a buzz-kill, but I just find the article not fun to read and I don't want to decrypt rhymes just to read the trivia.[[User:Gretnablue|Gretnablue]] ([[User talk:Gretnablue|talk]]) 17:41, 22 November 2015 (EST)
:I wouldn't mind a double of the article that doesn't rhyme. Information should always take precedence. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 18:48, 22 November 2015 (EST)

Mmm... be careful with that. Make a version without the rhyming if you must, but who will govern that the information is the same between the two? Also... One of the reasons I love this Wikia to bits is how it doesn't take itself so seriously while it indeed provides way more than I ever wanted to know about Transformers. And sure, the meter is all over the place, but then again, Wheelie wasn't consistent, either. -- Jerryteacup, 30 December 2016
:Also remember the huge bold text at the top of [[Talk:Main Page]]. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 19:13, 30 December 2016 (EST)

== There are other rhyming blokes, maybe they could make good jokes ==

We all know Wheelie's the master of rhymes,

But there are others that talk like that all the time!

There's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadblock_(G.I._Joe) Roadblock], [http://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/Crackotage Crackotage] and even [http://adventuretime.wikia.com/wiki/Choose_Goose Choose Goose]

And baddies like [http://banjokazooie.wikia.com/wiki/Gruntilda_Winkybunion Grunty] who like to let loose!

With that in mind, it could be fun

To reference these guys on "Wheelie (G1)".

There's even a [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RhymesOnADime trope entry one can look up]

To see what character references one can cook up!
--[[User:Samus Aran|Samus Aran]] ([[User talk:Samus Aran|talk]]) 09:29, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

== Can we at least clear up some of this infomation on this article? ==

Looking above, it seems clear that the ryhming just isn't going away, but can we at least make the infomation clear? In someplaces, the ryhmes just feel like they get in the way or their is simply infomation just missing because you could figure out a way for it to rhyme. Like reading the toy section, next to the info about the G1 toy is a image of two colour variants, but the section mentions nothing on why. Similarly, the Titans Return starts going on about how it lacks a weapon, but since nearly all the others don't have weapons, why is this signifficant and why was it the only one that wasn't a shelfwarmer?

Also the Headmasters Manga section is rather unclear as well and so is the Armada bit in the Trivia section (what is the fact their excatly) and just all over, their are just ryhmes that don't make sense unless you already know what's it about (which makes it useless to newcomers)or just seem to be there for the sake of being there.

Honestly, this and a few others pages feel like you care more about in-jokes and being funny rather than being informative and just ended up looking elsewhere for the info I was looking gor Wheelie toys because I got sick of the ryhmes. [[User:TheGreenGardenOfTWST|TheGreenGardenOfTWST]] ([[User talk:TheGreenGardenOfTWST|talk]]) 04:39, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

I agree that, at this point, the article is difficult to read and the joke has been worn down. Blurr and Jorge Figueroa all have their joke idioms confined to the first section only, Liar Starscream is easy to understand, and Rewind's page goes back to normal for the IDW section where the story details actually mattered. Wheelie has been a pretty minor character everywhere and was probably least unimportant in the G1 cartoon and Headmasters (and did he even speak in rhyme in Headmasters?), so if there were a magic button we could press to turn those sections normal, I'd agree with it. But it's not worthwhile for anyone to trudge back now and try to regenerate it all in normal speech.... nor do I really think it will make any difference at this point if we say "as of Sept. 2017 this joke is over, we're writing his few and unimportant comic appearances non-rhymingly from this point on." So I guess... there's nothing we can do. But yeah, I agree, there should have been a line drawn. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:36, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

== Archiving and reformatting ==

It was brought up over a year ago on Discord that this article has become pretty problematic. I brought up the disccusion around that time in the community portal but it fell on deaf ears, so I figured it's time to try re-evaluating again.

'''My thoughts:'''

In my opinion, the article spends far too much time on the gimmick/joke, than actually providing any useful info. The article is hard to read or obtain any decent info out of because its sole focus is to make every section a rhyming stanza. I've personally found myself going in there multiple times (even before I signed up to the wiki), to find out something really quick and left with nothing, and instead had to spend several minutes to hours flicking through episodes of G1 or chapters of Legends or whatever myself to find out the information I was looking for, which is all very well when you have the source material at your disposal, but not a lot of people do, and that's typically why they come to the wiki in the first place. I get the joke and I'll admit that I found it funny when I first discovered the article however many years ago, but when you actually start to read it or pick it apart, you start to realize that it's not actually helpful at all and it becomes extremely obvious that most of the thought that's gone into it is "how can I make this rhyme?" and not "does this actually explain anything?". I'm not sure that is something we should be setting our main focus on as a wiki. I know that we've built a reputation for the article's format in the past by the wider internet fandom etc, but I don't think any of those people had really taken the time to see if what they're reading actually makes sense or tells them something worthwhile.

The other big issue I have is that it also makes it hard for users to contribute to in any way because everything has to be formulated in rhyme. A hypothetical situation I brought up last night whenever re-opening the year-old topic was: What if there happened to be one person who had done extensive research into something and was the only person to have that particular knowledge, but couldn't add it to the article because they can't word it into rhyme? Like, yeah, they ''could'' get someone else to do it, but then that becomes counterproductive and makes it inaccessible to users, which isn't exactly wiki-easy-and-accessible-to-anyone-friendly.

'''Discord's thoughts:'''

I don't want to speak too much for other people, but the general consensus so far has been to leave the rhyming for the intro paragraph and the image captions, while also archiving the article as it is now with a link at the bottom of the new article or wherever that preserves it as a piece of the wiki's history, that way we can keep at least some form of it, while also working to make it more informative.

Anyways, I've rambled on enough. Let the discussion commence! -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 20:22, 18 January 2022 (EST)
:I agree. Get rid of the rhymes in at least the fiction section. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:08, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:I think something similar to [[Tyroxia]] and [[Tyroxia/trans]] would be a good solution.—[[User:DDog|DDog]] ([[User talk:DDog|talk]]) 16:33, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:The rhyming should be only the intro and the picture captions. Though I don't envy whoever has to wallow through and undo all of that... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:24, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:While I love the gimmick and I consider it pretty integral to the identity of the wiki... as a reader, i try to avoid this page and get any information i'd need from it elsewhere instead. so i think you have a point here, and some reevaluation of the gimmick is probably in order. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 18:13, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:Entirely agreed with this. To quote myself on the Discord: "Yes, we like being The Funny Wiki, but when that gets in the way of Wheelie's page being actually informative or readable then I think that's the point at which the funny should ''not'' stay." --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:42, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:I do feel like the rhyming thing could in theory be fine, if it was just ''better'', but a lot of it is neither clearly informative nor good poetry. To quote someone on the Discord, "Wheelies page has weak bars". I'm going to post Tindalos' pitch for how to handle it:
::''Once upon a time this page was made in verse,''
::''We think the new one's fine, but just in case it's worse:''
::''We ask you to forgive us, and that you shouldn't fear,''
::''The archived version with the rhymes can be found right [[Wheelie (G1)/rhyming|here]].''
:This would be perfect imo. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 18:52, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:Agree with removal. I could see leaving the lead and maybe the captions in rhyme, but wouldn't press too hard for either. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 21:32, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:Add another revise-and-archive from me as well. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 22:43, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:You guys are nuts. The criticism that the page "gets in the way of Wheelie's page being actually informative or readable" loses the plot – this is a wiki about a plastic toy from the 1980s, and the Saturday morning commercial made [[to sell toys|to sell it to you]]. I signed up just to make this post, and hopefully that's understood as a meaningful vote form a long-time lurker, than an irrelevant vote from a non-entity. [[User:NOISEMAZE|NOISEMAZE]] ([[User talk:NOISEMAZE|talk]]) 12:27, 20 March 2022 (EDT)
:: Saying "this franchise is just about plastic toys" is not the great argument point you think it is, especially in contrast to the majority of articles that exist on this wiki besides this one. The writing on this page is strained. The toys section is a mess because of attempting to stay in the gimmick while being informative. The IDW section completely loses the nuance of Syndromica by forcing itself under this gimmick. What's "nuts," as you put it, is the fact that this article has continued to be kept in this poor condition long after the joke stopped being funny. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:08, 20 March 2022 (EDT)
:::When you say it's "long after the joke stopped being funny," you're talking about how it's received with long-time wiki contributors who, presumably, Demand To Be Taken Seriously. It's a much more useful article in this form for general audiences who, in tiring themselves out in reading this article, eventually realize "wait, why am I reading a wiki article about, of all things, ''Wheelie?''" If this was an article about a character of consequence, it would matter, but I make the 'toy commercial' argument because in this context, it's a strong one. "The IDW section completely loses the nuance of Syndromica" is a set of words that has no meaning to me, so I can enjoy this article for what it is, whereas you're concerned people cannot read up about Wheelie lore. Bless your heart. --[[User:NOISEMAZE|NOISEMAZE]] ([[User talk:NOISEMAZE|talk]]) 16:15, 20 March 2022 (EDT)
::::You have to remember that there is a larger audience that may want to read this article for actual info. Taking your thoughts and opinions on the matter is valuable, but it seems you're not exactly the general audience we were talking about. Yes, Wheelie is an annoying rhyming character in the G1 cartoon, which was a glorified commercial, but the majority of his other appearances aren't like that (e.g. IDW or JG1). The peeps working on the Cyberverse cartoon were all told by Hasbro to come to the wiki for info on characters, because Hasbro doesn't keep any in-house info themselves. So that's another aspect we need to take into consideration: "Is it readable for people who know nothing about Transformers and are actually needing info for future cartoons or films?" -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 20:44, 20 March 2022 (EDT)
::::Alright, first off, don't be fucking cute; it's not endearing, and unlike others here, I'm not nearly as willing to let shit slide. I'm not gonna take any crap from someone whose just signed up to talk shit. Second off, your argument about Wheelie being a "character of no consequence" utterly falls apart when there's hundreds, if not thousands, of articles who could equally be argued to be of the same level of importance and yet who have perfectly normal articles otherwise. Third off, and this is related to the second point, if your whole reasoning for keeping this the way it is boils down to "why should I read an article that is about Wheelie" then why the fuck are you even reading the wiki at all? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:48, 20 March 2022 (EDT)
:::::Fanofcoolstuff and Escargon are right on all points, Noisemaze. And for the record, joining just to antagonize longtime editors (some of whom were responsible or the page as it is now) is not a good look, so I suggest you dial it back lest your stay here be a very short one. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:14, 20 March 2022 (EDT)
:::::Yes, Fanofcoolstuff brings up great points. Escargon has slid into vulgarities and condescension in a manner typical of their typical post history, and it's probably worth reviewing whether that behavior is a normal way of interacting with a new member. No one is going to have a good impression of a wiki if their first interaction with a 'longtime editor' is unchecked smarminess. [[User:NOISEMAZE|NOISEMAZE]] ([[User talk:NOISEMAZE|talk]]) 01:14, 21 March 2022 (EDT)

Talk:Wheelie (G1)

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I applaud the profile. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:03, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
::It's amazing how many sentences can rhyme without not making sense. [[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 19:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
: Well, on second thought, I applaud the concept of the bio, but think the content is more appropriate for the animated continuity section. It seems to chronicle the circumstances of the movie, and not his personality. (Remember, in Dreamwave, he was never on Quintessa that we saw.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

:Point conceded. The new bio's better than mine anyway. The whole entry is much improved. So many horrible rhymes...bwahahahahaha. --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 12:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

We totally need to complete this entry. This deserves to be a Featured Article. sadly, I'm pretty awful about fiction. I OWN most of it, but don't REMEMBER it very well. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Having just rhymed all through the section I just added, I have no idea how Wheelie keeps it up 24/7. Exhausting! --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 09:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
:Rhyming isn't really all that hard if you have the vocabulary of a bard. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 13:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Fixed the manga summary to rhyme and keep the gag going. Though I think I write rhymes more like Dr. Seuss than Wheelie...--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

wow, this profile almost makes me wish I didn't use my Wheelie toy as cannon fodder in the late 80's -- great job with the rhymes whoever did this should work for a greeting card company

I'm fine with the rhyming in the article, but the rhythm really needs work. I'd change it, but I'm afraid of being accused of ripping apart large sections of the article for no good reason (see Walky's comment below).--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 22:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

==Not yet to be Featured==
Sipher, the reason I unfeatured it is because the inconsistency of the rhyme's meter is really embarrassing. If you read the history, you'll see my note. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:Then maybe you should have removed the "Featured Article" Category, which is why I put the tag on it (and is still there as of your last edit). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:: Indeed I should! Meanwhile, history is your friend. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

==Commercial voice==
Walky, Frank Welker never VOICED Scrappy-Doo! He did, however, voice Peewit. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:57, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Welker ''did'' voice Zzcooby & Freddy in new show! [[User:Wazzpinator|Wazzpinator]] 18:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

==Italian names==
I don't have the brainpower to add these in rhyme tonight. If somebody could, Wheelie was called Saetta in the dub of TFTM, and... apparently ''Scooter'' in everything else. (At least, it doesn't SEEM to be a joke...) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:06, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:I apologize. - Chris McFeely, not signed in

== Continuity rhymes ==

"Continuity" doesn't rhyme with "see". [It rhymes with "bitty", to pick an irrelevant-but-accurate example] - 21:39, 16 August 2009 (EDT)
:It also rhymes with "enginuity"! -- [[User:Ziyad|Ziyad]] 20:03, 18 August 2009 (EDT)
::Or even "ingenuity"!--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:27, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Ooh! Here's one that's on-topic, "ambiguity"!! -- [[User:Ziyad|Ziyad]] 07:14, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

== But seriously, folks... ==

...am I going to be hugely unpopular if I state my belief that the article has, at this point, gone way overboard? Rhymes in the section headers, line-breaks all over the place, rhymes being used to describe continuities where he ''didn't rhyme''... I think that this page has long since crossed the line between "fun" and "taking it way too far". Frankly, I would almost be in favour of scaling it back to just having a rhyming opening and captions. A ''lot'' of the fiction section is, to my eyes, suffering because of the demands of the rhyme scheme. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:11, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:All my hard work...unappreciated...:( --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 10:47, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::But to be serious, I wrote nearly all the rhymes in the fiction portion of the article and created the linebreaks so folks could see the scheme. The rhymes in the fiction headers and continuity notes were some no-username's doing and I've never been very fond of them.
::Still, if many people agree that the humor interferes with the facts, then we can put it to a vote as to whether we get rid of the rhymes in the headers, the rhymes all together or if we just leave it. It may be ''my'' joke, but I'm not going to have a heart attack if others want to change it so it doesn't interfere with the facts (unlike ''some'' members of this Wiki). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 10:54, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Aw, it's not that it's not appreciated, I see what you were doing, but it's... it's like Bonecrusher hate jokes. We started out with them and they were funny when the article was small but then when it was filled in they got really tiresome but people kept dogpiling 'em on anyway, until we had to say "No more". That's sort of what I'm feeling here. The idea worked when the article was small, but when it's full (which it ''isn't'' yet!) I think it gets in the way more than it is fun. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:56, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::::I need to concur, although we should keep SOME rhymes for sure. At the very least, his summary. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:20, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::''I need to concur/although we should keep SOME rhymes for sure.''
:::::Why, there's one right there! :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:31, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
But this is the most awesome page on the wiki. It's one of the things people think of when they talk about how awesome our wiki is. It's like getting rid of the teacup ride at Disneyland. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:35, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:Or the testicles in ROTF. The ''Awesome'' defense only goes so far, especially in Transformers.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:44, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::That's a terrible analogy. When people talk about our wiki, they mention our Wheelie article that is all rhymes, and this is a good thing that they think epitomizes what we stand for and why we're better than other wikis. When people talk about Devastator's balls, it's derisively. I don't understand your comparison. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:46, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::::It's simple - Devastator's testicle's are 'awesome.' Bay thinks so. A lot of the moviegoing public though so. Most 'serious' fans thought otherwise. But an awful lot of people laughed and laughed at them, probably more than will ever read this wiki. Just because one group of people thinks something is awesome doesn't keep it from getting in the way of (imparting information / telling a strong story.) The fandom can be be a bit of an insulated community - an echo chamber, if you will. Pointing to anecdotal evidence one way or the other shouldn't be our benchmark. It's much more useful to go back to core principles.
::::But mostly I was seizing on your use of the word ''awesome'' which has been forever commingled with Bay for me.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:25, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Well, I think the charm of us writing articles in the personality of the characters extends to more than just this one. [[Crankcase (G1)|Crankcase]], [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]], etc., for instance. It can actually be weirdly useful sometimes in conveying information about characters without having to spell it out. But, if it's getting in the way of having an actual informative article in any instance, then it ''does'' need toning down. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:35, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

::I agree some of the rhyming should go. The headers, external link, notes and voice actor info in rhyme seems redundant to me, if not annoying. I can somewhat dig the argument not to put rhyme in sections of fiction in which he didn't rhyme, although I'd hate to see it go. But what I think would greatly help this article is a better layout. Currently, the article is all rather statically and confusingly "text-humongous white space-pic". I'd like to see it being connected a tad more by switching the text-pic order every second fiction/rhyme-paragraph (as well as having some of the paragraphs expanded). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:48, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::I think all of the ''paragraphs'' should remain in rhyme. Headers, bullet-point "list" items... no. That's overkill. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:51, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Yeah, mark me down as a compromise vote. Ditch the headers/notes, etc rhymes but keep the fiction section poetry. Partly because I spent a lot of time writing most of it, but also because I don't think the fiction poetry really interferes with the knowledge. The headers and stuff is annoying, though. --'''DrSpengler (at work, can't log in)'''
::::I'll agree with that. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 14:55, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
::::I'd quite happily dump the whole joke, which was never that funny. And it does seriously impede the article. '''Vote NO on this from me''' [[User:Eire]] 20.02 Oct 12 09 (UTC)

==Japanese fiction: Rhyme or Not Rhyme?==

Recently, I've been told to stop writing the Japanese fiction sections in rhyme because Wheelie didn't rhyme in Japan, and that all rhymes should be reverted to standard. I wrote the Japanes fiction sections in rhyme to keep up the theme and flow of the article, and because it was fun, yeah. But if everyone else thinks the Japanese fiction sections should be de-rhymed, then so be it. Let's take a vote. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:26, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''AGAINST''' rhyme in the Japanese section. It simply isn't appropriate for that incarnation of the character.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 12:39, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for it''' because I like the general theme of the page, it's fun, and because Wheelie only never rhymed because the Japanese language sucks at rhyming (same reason why their poems and music lyrics don't rhyme). The sentence structure just doesn't work in its favor. Just because the Japanese couldn't do it doesn't mean we should follow suit. English rocks at rhyming. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:55, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:Here's me voting '''for it''', because if we're going to do a gag, we ought to be consistent with it throughout the article, or it looks half-assed. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:33, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for it'''. Keep it consistent or keep it out. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:38, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:Just so there's no confusion, I am obviously '''for it'''. I think the rhymes make the article fun and I believe that having random non-rhyming chunks would break up the flow of the page. And doing it just because Wheelie didn't rhyme in certain continuities isn't worth killing the fun. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:40, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for it'''. Keeps the page consistent and there's already someone willing to do it. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 14:00, 8 February 2010 (EST)
: I vote '''AGAINST''' all the rhyme. Seriously, you ever sit down and try to exract information from this page? Imagine you're someone who knows nothing of Wheelie. After reading this I guarantee you'll know even less. [[User: Eire]] 18.59 8 Feb 2010
:: Hey, were you the [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Tales_of_the_Fallen_issue_5&diff=414380&oldid=413827 guy who called a dude a schmuck for no real reason], and so then he [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/593224.html?thread=14980936#t14980936 quit this wiki] because he was treated like shit? You don't get a vote. Especially since you think Florida and Cuba are separated by a friggin' river. (Anyway, I vote against rhyming in the Headmasters section.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:07, 8 February 2010 (EST)

:I vote '''against''' the rhyme, and note that when I first read this page, the break ''away'' from rhyming was hilarious... particularly because the text of the section was written in short, flat deliberately ''boring'' sentences to maximize the contrast. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:08, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::Yeah. I don't vote for the lack of rhyming in the Headmasters section for technicality reasons, but because it would be hilarious. Especially if it were written like a petulant little punk. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:09, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:'''AGAINST''' btw. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:09, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I'm '''for it''' as I think it'd disrupt the flow, if it was only randomly rhyming.'''--TFDatabase'''
::''Whatever'' policy we adopt, it's not going to be random. If it rhymes, it's for a reason. If it doesn't rhyme (especially in specific sections), it's also for a reason.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 15:03, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:::But it LOOKS random (at least before you know why it was done). Also, it seems weird that TFDatabase gets jumped on for using the same wording Spengs did earlier.[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:10, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::::Just a fluke of timing. Nothing more. It's not like I'm constantly on the Wiki monitoring each and every comment that comes on.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 16:03, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for''' for the reasons already listed by so many others. Now, if you could find a way to do that section in haiku instead... [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:35, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::That idea is morbidly appealing. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:50, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:::MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:57, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I'm '''for it'''. As Detour mentioned, Japanese sentence structures don't allow much room for rhyming and the rhyming is unique to Wheelie (like how SG Nightbeat's page is done in Edward G. Robinson's gangster character fashion).
:(Haiku? Good grief...) --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:27, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::...so I have an evil sense of humor. You won't hold it against me, will you? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:44, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:::Not really, but I can imagine the chore of parsing everything down to 5-7-5. Heck, [[Wikipedia:Waka (poetry)#Tanka|tanka]] might be a better option given its 5-7-5-7-7. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 19:07, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for''' the rhyming, for the reasons already given. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:41, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::'''As do I''', we have it noted that he didn't rhyme in other dubs anyway. [[User:Stevo|Stevo]] 17:49, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''against''' rhyming in the Headmasters section. Having that section being assholey makes it even funnier, and Headmasters Wheelie is they guy who wouldn't go along with it simply to be a jerk. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:14, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for''' rhyming, as otherwise we should probably stick a disclaimer at the start of the Headmasters section because you know others will come along and make it rhyme again later anyway.--[[User:MCRG Again|MCRG Again]] 18:56, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:'''Against''' rhyming, because the Headmasters section should read like the dialog of the show: boring and stating the obvious, repeatedly. (I'd be for haiku form, though) -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 19:08, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I'm '''FOR''' rhyming because it'd flow badly otherwise. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:13, 8 February 2010 (EST)

: I would totally support rewriting ''Headmasters'' Wheelie in sarcastic Goth format, if it could be pulled off well. Otherwise.... eh. Having the rhyming is overkill. Not having it is inconsistent. Pick your poison! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:16, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:'''FOR''' rhyming. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 21:23, 8 February 2010 (EST)

I declare voting over. I'd only be convinced to ditch Spengler's large amounts of work over a technicality is if voting were overwhelmingly in favor of it. Like, near-unanimous. And that certainly isn't the case, so the rhyming stays. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:54, 8 February 2010 (EST)

:Yaayyy! I'm appreciated! I've got tomorrow off work so I'll knock out a few more episodes. If it's any consolation to those who voted against the rhymes, in order to write these fiction summaries I have to actually ''watch'' each episode. A most-terrible fate. So this is a very hollow victory for Spengler. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:44, 8 February 2010 (EST)

Okay, you know what? I seriously retract my earlier moan about the rhyming. Spengler is utterly rocking this, getting across all the relevant info in a way I never thought was possible. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:58, 15 February 2010 (EST)
:I'm cookin' MCs like a pound of bacon, yo. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:02, 15 February 2010 (EST)

==Featured Article material?==

So, I finally finished the thing. His every fiction section is completed, pics are plentiful and, so far as I know, his toy page is up to snuff (toys aren't my forte', I admit). Do you think this article is worthy of Featured Article status? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:04, 14 April 2010 (EDT)
:Considering Walky already slapped the Featured template on it, apparently it is. ;)
:(It's certainly the most impressive of our self-demonstrating articles, that's for damn sure.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:13, 14 April 2010 (EDT)
::Aw jeez, somehow I completely missed that. My bad! Disregard this! (and thanks, Walky!) --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:18, 14 April 2010 (EDT)

== If we ever get the chance... ==

I'd love to see a picture of Wheelie being attacked by Decepticons on this article with the caption "Oh men of dark and dismal fate, forego your cruel employ! Have pity on my lonely state: I am an orphan boy!" (This is a quote from Gilbert & Sullivan's ''Pirates of Penzance'', for the operatically ignorant.) I realize that there is no good picture for this caption as of now and that this will likely not happen, but I thought I'd just throw that out there. Also, kudos to those brave men and women who endeavored to write this article. You would make your English teachers proud.
<br>- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 00:33, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

== Wow ==

I can't even begin to imagine the effort that went into this. Truly epic! - [[User:LucidFox|LucidFox]] 10:29, 12 January 2012 (EST)

== Generations toy caption ideas ==

I pity the fool who's no Meister retool!

I pity the fool who ain't a retool!

Reformatted to look like Meister? I think this body is much nicer!

I may look like Jazz, Stepper, Longarm (not Prime)--but do any of them ever bother to rhyme?

I used to be a Minicar; a Jazz retool is better by far!

A Jazz retool can never fail (as long as you ignore the [[scale]])!

[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] 02:35, 26 September 2012 (EDT)

== What rhymes with 'orange'? ==

1) This entry is amazing, but 2) all this and no joke about the notorious difficulty of rhyming the word 'orange'?--[[User:Dubbilex|Dubbilex]] 03:29, 30 December 2012 (EST)
:"Door-hinge". I learned that from the Muppets. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:06, 1 March 2013 (EST)
::How about a rhyme for "purple"? "Urkel"? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:09, 1 March 2013 (EST)
:Bloom County recommends "whore binge". [[User:Phasma Felis|Phasma Felis]] 16:49, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

== Can we please tone down on the rhyming? ==

I get that a lot of you have spent a to of time and effort making this entire article rhyme, but can you guys please re-edit parts of this article to tone it down and remove the rhyming in some areas, specifically in the notes and toy section?

A little bit of rhyming would be fine, but to be blunt, the way the article is written is not pleasant to look at and the rhyming just makes the article feel like a chore to read. It gets tiring to read very quickly and I would rather have the information be just available rather then hidden under annoying rhymes.

If not, can we at least have a non-rhyming version of this available via suite, similar to how some of the character articles are split into multiple pages like Main, G1 Cartoon, Toys and Merchandise etc? That way, you can keep the rhyming versions for those who want and a non-rhyming for those who don't want to read this version?

Again, sorry for coming across as a buzz-kill, but I just find the article not fun to read and I don't want to decrypt rhymes just to read the trivia.[[User:Gretnablue|Gretnablue]] ([[User talk:Gretnablue|talk]]) 17:41, 22 November 2015 (EST)
:I wouldn't mind a double of the article that doesn't rhyme. Information should always take precedence. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 18:48, 22 November 2015 (EST)

Mmm... be careful with that. Make a version without the rhyming if you must, but who will govern that the information is the same between the two? Also... One of the reasons I love this Wikia to bits is how it doesn't take itself so seriously while it indeed provides way more than I ever wanted to know about Transformers. And sure, the meter is all over the place, but then again, Wheelie wasn't consistent, either. -- Jerryteacup, 30 December 2016
:Also remember the huge bold text at the top of [[Talk:Main Page]]. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 19:13, 30 December 2016 (EST)

== There are other rhyming blokes, maybe they could make good jokes ==

We all know Wheelie's the master of rhymes,

But there are others that talk like that all the time!

There's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadblock_(G.I._Joe) Roadblock], [http://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/Crackotage Crackotage] and even [http://adventuretime.wikia.com/wiki/Choose_Goose Choose Goose]

And baddies like [http://banjokazooie.wikia.com/wiki/Gruntilda_Winkybunion Grunty] who like to let loose!

With that in mind, it could be fun

To reference these guys on "Wheelie (G1)".

There's even a [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RhymesOnADime trope entry one can look up]

To see what character references one can cook up!
--[[User:Samus Aran|Samus Aran]] ([[User talk:Samus Aran|talk]]) 09:29, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

== Can we at least clear up some of this infomation on this article? ==

Looking above, it seems clear that the ryhming just isn't going away, but can we at least make the infomation clear? In someplaces, the ryhmes just feel like they get in the way or their is simply infomation just missing because you could figure out a way for it to rhyme. Like reading the toy section, next to the info about the G1 toy is a image of two colour variants, but the section mentions nothing on why. Similarly, the Titans Return starts going on about how it lacks a weapon, but since nearly all the others don't have weapons, why is this signifficant and why was it the only one that wasn't a shelfwarmer?

Also the Headmasters Manga section is rather unclear as well and so is the Armada bit in the Trivia section (what is the fact their excatly) and just all over, their are just ryhmes that don't make sense unless you already know what's it about (which makes it useless to newcomers)or just seem to be there for the sake of being there.

Honestly, this and a few others pages feel like you care more about in-jokes and being funny rather than being informative and just ended up looking elsewhere for the info I was looking gor Wheelie toys because I got sick of the ryhmes. [[User:TheGreenGardenOfTWST|TheGreenGardenOfTWST]] ([[User talk:TheGreenGardenOfTWST|talk]]) 04:39, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

I agree that, at this point, the article is difficult to read and the joke has been worn down. Blurr and Jorge Figueroa all have their joke idioms confined to the first section only, Liar Starscream is easy to understand, and Rewind's page goes back to normal for the IDW section where the story details actually mattered. Wheelie has been a pretty minor character everywhere and was probably least unimportant in the G1 cartoon and Headmasters (and did he even speak in rhyme in Headmasters?), so if there were a magic button we could press to turn those sections normal, I'd agree with it. But it's not worthwhile for anyone to trudge back now and try to regenerate it all in normal speech.... nor do I really think it will make any difference at this point if we say "as of Sept. 2017 this joke is over, we're writing his few and unimportant comic appearances non-rhymingly from this point on." So I guess... there's nothing we can do. But yeah, I agree, there should have been a line drawn. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:36, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

== Archiving and reformatting ==

It was brought up over a year ago on Discord that this article has become pretty problematic. I brought up the disccusion around that time in the community portal but it fell on deaf ears, so I figured it's time to try re-evaluating again.

'''My thoughts:'''

In my opinion, the article spends far too much time on the gimmick/joke, than actually providing any useful info. The article is hard to read or obtain any decent info out of because its sole focus is to make every section a rhyming stanza. I've personally found myself going in there multiple times (even before I signed up to the wiki), to find out something really quick and left with nothing, and instead had to spend several minutes to hours flicking through episodes of G1 or chapters of Legends or whatever myself to find out the information I was looking for, which is all very well when you have the source material at your disposal, but not a lot of people do, and that's typically why they come to the wiki in the first place. I get the joke and I'll admit that I found it funny when I first discovered the article however many years ago, but when you actually start to read it or pick it apart, you start to realize that it's not actually helpful at all and it becomes extremely obvious that most of the thought that's gone into it is "how can I make this rhyme?" and not "does this actually explain anything?". I'm not sure that is something we should be setting our main focus on as a wiki. I know that we've built a reputation for the article's format in the past by the wider internet fandom etc, but I don't think any of those people had really taken the time to see if what they're reading actually makes sense or tells them something worthwhile.

The other big issue I have is that it also makes it hard for users to contribute to in any way because everything has to be formulated in rhyme. A hypothetical situation I brought up last night whenever re-opening the year-old topic was: What if there happened to be one person who had done extensive research into something and was the only person to have that particular knowledge, but couldn't add it to the article because they can't word it into rhyme? Like, yeah, they ''could'' get someone else to do it, but then that becomes counterproductive and makes it inaccessible to users, which isn't exactly wiki-easy-and-accessible-to-anyone-friendly.

'''Discord's thoughts:'''

I don't want to speak too much for other people, but the general consensus so far has been to leave the rhyming for the intro paragraph and the image captions, while also archiving the article as it is now with a link at the bottom of the new article or wherever that preserves it as a piece of the wiki's history, that way we can keep at least some form of it, while also working to make it more informative.

Anyways, I've rambled on enough. Let the discussion commence! -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 20:22, 18 January 2022 (EST)
:I agree. Get rid of the rhymes in at least the fiction section. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:08, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:I think something similar to [[Tyroxia]] and [[Tyroxia/trans]] would be a good solution.—[[User:DDog|DDog]] ([[User talk:DDog|talk]]) 16:33, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:The rhyming should be only the intro and the picture captions. Though I don't envy whoever has to wallow through and undo all of that... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:24, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:While I love the gimmick and I consider it pretty integral to the identity of the wiki... as a reader, i try to avoid this page and get any information i'd need from it elsewhere instead. so i think you have a point here, and some reevaluation of the gimmick is probably in order. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 18:13, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:Entirely agreed with this. To quote myself on the Discord: "Yes, we like being The Funny Wiki, but when that gets in the way of Wheelie's page being actually informative or readable then I think that's the point at which the funny should ''not'' stay." --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:42, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:I do feel like the rhyming thing could in theory be fine, if it was just ''better'', but a lot of it is neither clearly informative nor good poetry. To quote someone on the Discord, "Wheelies page has weak bars". I'm going to post Tindalos' pitch for how to handle it:
::''Once upon a time this page was made in verse,''
::''We think the new one's fine, but just in case it's worse:''
::''We ask you to forgive us, and that you shouldn't fear,''
::''The archived version with the rhymes can be found right [[Wheelie (G1)/rhyming|here]].''
:This would be perfect imo. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 18:52, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:Agree with removal. I could see leaving the lead and maybe the captions in rhyme, but wouldn't press too hard for either. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 21:32, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:Add another revise-and-archive from me as well. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 22:43, 19 January 2022 (EST)
:You guys are nuts. The criticism that the page "gets in the way of Wheelie's page being actually informative or readable" loses the plot – this is a wiki about a plastic toy from the 1980s, and the Saturday morning commercial made [[to sell toys|to sell it to you]]. I signed up just to make this post, and hopefully that's understood as a meaningful vote form a long-time lurker, than an irrelevant vote from a non-entity. [[User:NOISEMAZE|NOISEMAZE]] ([[User talk:NOISEMAZE|talk]]) 12:27, 20 March 2022 (EDT)
:: Saying "this franchise is just about plastic toys" is not the great argument point you think it is, especially in contrast to the majority of articles that exist on this wiki besides this one. The writing on this page is strained. The toys section is a mess because of attempting to stay in the gimmick while being informative. The IDW section completely loses the nuance of Syndromica by forcing itself under this gimmick. What's "nuts," as you put it, is the fact that this article has continued to be kept in this poor condition long after the joke stopped being funny. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:08, 20 March 2022 (EDT)
:::When you say it's "long after the joke stopped being funny," you're talking about long-time wiki contributors who, presumably, Demand To Be Taken Seriously. It's a much more useful article in this form for general audiences who, in tiring themselves out in reading this article, eventually realize "wait, why am I reading a wiki article about, of all things, ''Wheelie?'' If this was an article about a character of consequence, it would matter, but I make the 'toy commercial' argument because in this context, it's a strong one. "The IDW section completely loses the nuance of Syndromica" is a set of words that has no meaning to me, so I can enjoy this article for what it is, whereas you're concerned people cannot read up about Wheelie lore. Bless your heart. --[[User:NOISEMAZE|NOISEMAZE]] ([[User talk:NOISEMAZE|talk]]) 16:15, 20 March 2022 (EDT)

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