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Talk:TesshÅ Genda

2010-12-15T16:22:02Z

Nerroth: /* PSG cameo */

== PSG cameo ==

In the notes section, would it be worth mentioning Tesshou Genda's cameo as "Osutimus Surprise" (and [[Seiz%C5%8D_Kat%C5%8D|Seizou Katou]]'s "Mesutron" from the same episode) in episode 7 of ''[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=11605 Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt]''? (As an aside, is there a "parodies in other media" page or something, where the likes of this ''PSG'' reference to Transformers could be noted?) --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 10:27, 15 December 2010 (EST)
: Media references and/or parodies are purposefully set outside this wiki's jurisdiction. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:46, 15 December 2010 (EST)
::And yet the [[Peter Cullen]] page makes a reference to the ''Robot Chicken'' request. (Part of the reason why I wanted to ask about mentioning the ''PSG'' cameo here was to contrast it with how the same might not be all that likely to happen were that show to be dubbed; if the segment in ''RC'' was considered too far of a stretch, one might imagine the far less tame events in ''PSG'' to be even more so.) --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 11:22, 15 December 2010 (EST)

Talk:TesshÅ Genda

2010-12-15T15:30:26Z

Nerroth: /* PSG cameo */

== PSG cameo ==

In the notes section, would it be worth mentioning Tesshou Genda's cameo as "Osutimus Surprise" (and [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Seiz%C5%8D_Kat%C5%8D Seizou Katou]'s "Mesutron" from the same episode) in episode 7 of ''[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=11605 Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt]''? (As an aside, is there a "parodies in other media" page or something, where the likes of this ''PSG'' reference to Transformers could be noted?) --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 10:27, 15 December 2010 (EST)

Talk:TesshÅ Genda

2010-12-15T15:30:02Z

Nerroth: /* PSG cameo */

== PSG cameo ==

In the notes section, would it be worth mentioning Tesshou Genda's cameo as "Osutimus Surprise" (and [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Seiz%C5%8D_Kat%C5%8D Seizou Katou]'s "Mesutron" from the same episode) in episode 7 of ''[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=11605 Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt]''? (As an aside, is there a parodies in other media page or something, where the likes of this PSG reference to Transformers could be noted?) --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 10:27, 15 December 2010 (EST)

Talk:TesshÅ Genda

2010-12-15T15:29:43Z

Nerroth: /* PSG cameo */

== PSG cameo ==

In the notes section, would it be worth mentioning Tesshou Genda's cameo as "Osutimus Surprise" (and [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Seiz%C5%8D_Kat%C5%8D Seizou Katou]'s "Mesutron" from the same episode) in ''[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=11605 Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt]''? (As an aside, is there a parodies in other media page or something, where the likes of this PSG reference to Transformers could be noted?) --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 10:27, 15 December 2010 (EST)

Talk:TesshÅ Genda

2010-12-15T15:27:30Z

Nerroth: New page: == PSG cameo == In the trivia section, would it be worth noting Tesshou Genda's cameo as "Osutimus Surprise" (and [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Seiz%C5%8D_Kat%C5%8D Seizou Katou]'s "Mesutron" ...

== PSG cameo ==

In the trivia section, would it be worth noting Tesshou Genda's cameo as "Osutimus Surprise" (and [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Seiz%C5%8D_Kat%C5%8D Seizou Katou]'s "Mesutron" from the same episode) in ''[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=11605 Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt]''? (As an aside, is there a parodies in other media page or something, where the likes of this PSG reference to Transformers could be noted?) --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 10:27, 15 December 2010 (EST)

Talk:Drift (G1)

2010-10-25T03:39:55Z

Nerroth: /* Oshite mairu! */

Sorry, about not putting the spoiler warning, i'm new to this. {{unsigned|70.71.179.87|23:52, 8 April 2009}}

== Weabo? ==

What happened to the awesome weabo fancharacter header we had for this guy? {{unsigned|Dead Metal}}
:There was a big desnarking a while back. Probably got removed back then. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:01, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
::Oh man, that was the best part of the entire article.:([[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 07:42, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Can someone quote it? {{unsigned|83.24.148.159}}
::::[http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Drift_%28G1%29&oldid=224223 This] is the earliest coherent version of the page in the available page history. You can also check his page on the other wiki, along with its own revision history.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:03, 29 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Why was the note about the similarities to the Magscinder toy removed? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:53, 13 February 2010 (EST)
::::::Because "X is similar to Y" is pointless bloat? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:33, 13 February 2010 (EST)

== Sword squiggles ==
Hi.

In the preview gallery at Seibertron, one of the [http://www.seibertron.com/events/fullsize.php?event_id=125&size=2&image=21 pics] seems to offer a somewhat better look at what the symbols on the toy's larger sword are meant to be. Can anyone tell if they are kanji - akin to that on the side doors - or are they perhaps some sort of Cybertronian glyphs (i.e. not meant to mean anything in particular)? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 01:47, 14 March 2010 (EST)
:The first character is [http://jisho.org/kanji/details/%E4%B8%8B 下]. I can't read the other two due to glare. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:04, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::Actually, the first two characters are 天下 ''tenka'' for "descent from heaven", "the world", or "under heaven", from [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=168520#168520 here] at the IDW boards. But yeah, still can't see the last two. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 03:52, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::Oh god, I think that might actually say 天下無双 or 天下無比.... Oh god... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:13, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>squints closer<nowiki>*</nowiki> Yanno? That might actually say 天下無双 (''tenka musō''). And it WOULD make sense. Heh. I might not be surprised if the other side of the sword said 天下無比 (''tenka muhi'')... XD --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:18, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>bangs head on wall repeatedly<nowiki>*</nowiki> --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:20, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::::::Well, ''Tenka Muhi'' would be overkill, since both mean the same thing of "peerless under heaven". :D --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:24, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::::::My dictionnary just translates both as "peerless, unmatched", but yeah. Epic wallbangery. The hell, Hasbro? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:32, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::::::::But, "peerless under heaven" is so much more poetic! :3 --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 16:13, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::Ah. Unlike Detour, I haven't paid any attention to the toy, so I didn't know there was another character cut off. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 07:29, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::::Well I had paid attention to the toy but certainly not enough to even notice the characters until Nerroth pointed them out. I just went looking through an online dictionary after you guys started posting the kanji you recognized. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:31, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::::Thanks for the help. (It's still possible that the sword's inscription is referring to itself, not its owner - or that it used to belong to someone else, before Drift started using it. Or something.)
:::::EDIT: Should a note about the translation wait until someone gets a closer look at the toy, then? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 13:42, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::::::Eh, I rather wait till the toy's release to fully confirm it, since Detour *pats back* and I are going on hunches. Like the boards, "pics or it didn't happen". :) --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 16:13, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, wait and see. It might end up saying something different after all. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:32, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:There's a (slightly) clearer pic of Drift's sword [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/3/9/4/0/7/6-deluxe-gen-01_1271951485.jpg here]. --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 16:51, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
::Yup. That's 天下無双! Now can we put it in? :D --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:47, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
:::As long as we go with the modern translation and not the ancient poetic translation. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:52, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
::::It's not ancient! Well, just a bit literal... I like it poetic! Or would you prefer "idiomatic"? :3 --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:06, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::We should go with whatever makes the most sense for the character. Since Drift himself is poetic, I say the more idiomatic approach makes the most sense.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:08, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::So, any consensus on whether to go with "peerless" or "peerless under heaven"? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 19:40, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I vote poetic, as I'm sure that was the original intention, and also because of what Jim said. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:16, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::I dunno. When has Drift ever really been poetic? Are his smirks poetic? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:52, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Well, I'm just thinking that if we use it as I'm sure the creators intended, people can draw their own conclusions regarding whether they think it's over the top or just in keeping with the theme of the character (or both or neither). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:26, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::But the problem with playing it straight as the creator intended does not show how he fails at properly doing it, which embellishes the character and the creator rather than "let people draw their own conclusions". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:57, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Is this just a translation issue on how best to express the Japanese idiom to English speakers? Or could the phrase actually mean different things in Japanese? (I'm not quite following the conversation.) - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:39, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::It's a question of idiom vs common usage. For comparison's sake, in today's world Yamamoto is basically just a Japanese surname, but going back all the way down its etymological roots, it meant "the base of the mountain". "Peerless" vs "Peerless under heaven" is essentially the same situation. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:54, 14 May 2010 (EDT)
::A new [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/4/0/5/9/7/TF-Autobot-Drift-Robot_1273791941.jpg side-on shot] of the sword, among [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/hasbro-official-transformers-images-update-part-2---generations-and-power-core-combiners-169704/ other pics]. --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 20:25, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

== New Drift/Deadlock pics ==

[http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=7556 These] were posted over at the IDW boards recently. Would they, or at least the one with what looks like Deadlock in it, be of any use here? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 13:42, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:Not right now, no, but when we get to fill out more about Deadlock, probably. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:50, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::Fair enough. --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 14:01, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::Well, Walky managed to find a way to make it all fit. Nice. (also, caption made me snortle) --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:46, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::::It ''is'' very convenient of him, I guess! --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 15:09, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

== Disputed car model ==

The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R Nissan GT-R] looks a LOT closer to Drift's altmode than either of the ones proposed in the toy entry. -- dvandom, August 7, 2010

== Oshite mairu! ==

Just wanted to say to whoever added the Hakumen quote for the pic showing the TakaraTomy version of Drift: thank you! (Quite an apt reference, too.) --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 01:32, 21 October 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Drift (G1)

2010-10-21T05:32:55Z

Nerroth: /* Oshite mairu! */ new section

Sorry, about not putting the spoiler warning, i'm new to this. {{unsigned|70.71.179.87|23:52, 8 April 2009}}

== Weabo? ==

What happened to the awesome weabo fancharacter header we had for this guy? {{unsigned|Dead Metal}}
:There was a big desnarking a while back. Probably got removed back then. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:01, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
::Oh man, that was the best part of the entire article.:([[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 07:42, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Can someone quote it? {{unsigned|83.24.148.159}}
::::[http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Drift_%28G1%29&oldid=224223 This] is the earliest coherent version of the page in the available page history. You can also check his page on the other wiki, along with its own revision history.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:03, 29 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Why was the note about the similarities to the Magscinder toy removed? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:53, 13 February 2010 (EST)
::::::Because "X is similar to Y" is pointless bloat? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:33, 13 February 2010 (EST)

== Sword squiggles ==
Hi.

In the preview gallery at Seibertron, one of the [http://www.seibertron.com/events/fullsize.php?event_id=125&size=2&image=21 pics] seems to offer a somewhat better look at what the symbols on the toy's larger sword are meant to be. Can anyone tell if they are kanji - akin to that on the side doors - or are they perhaps some sort of Cybertronian glyphs (i.e. not meant to mean anything in particular)? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 01:47, 14 March 2010 (EST)
:The first character is [http://jisho.org/kanji/details/%E4%B8%8B 下]. I can't read the other two due to glare. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:04, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::Actually, the first two characters are 天下 ''tenka'' for "descent from heaven", "the world", or "under heaven", from [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=168520#168520 here] at the IDW boards. But yeah, still can't see the last two. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 03:52, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::Oh god, I think that might actually say 天下無双 or 天下無比.... Oh god... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:13, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>squints closer<nowiki>*</nowiki> Yanno? That might actually say 天下無双 (''tenka musō''). And it WOULD make sense. Heh. I might not be surprised if the other side of the sword said 天下無比 (''tenka muhi'')... XD --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:18, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>bangs head on wall repeatedly<nowiki>*</nowiki> --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:20, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::::::Well, ''Tenka Muhi'' would be overkill, since both mean the same thing of "peerless under heaven". :D --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:24, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::::::My dictionnary just translates both as "peerless, unmatched", but yeah. Epic wallbangery. The hell, Hasbro? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:32, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::::::::But, "peerless under heaven" is so much more poetic! :3 --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 16:13, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::Ah. Unlike Detour, I haven't paid any attention to the toy, so I didn't know there was another character cut off. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 07:29, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::::Well I had paid attention to the toy but certainly not enough to even notice the characters until Nerroth pointed them out. I just went looking through an online dictionary after you guys started posting the kanji you recognized. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:31, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::::Thanks for the help. (It's still possible that the sword's inscription is referring to itself, not its owner - or that it used to belong to someone else, before Drift started using it. Or something.)
:::::EDIT: Should a note about the translation wait until someone gets a closer look at the toy, then? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 13:42, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::::::Eh, I rather wait till the toy's release to fully confirm it, since Detour *pats back* and I are going on hunches. Like the boards, "pics or it didn't happen". :) --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 16:13, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, wait and see. It might end up saying something different after all. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:32, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:There's a (slightly) clearer pic of Drift's sword [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/3/9/4/0/7/6-deluxe-gen-01_1271951485.jpg here]. --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 16:51, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
::Yup. That's 天下無双! Now can we put it in? :D --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:47, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
:::As long as we go with the modern translation and not the ancient poetic translation. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:52, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
::::It's not ancient! Well, just a bit literal... I like it poetic! Or would you prefer "idiomatic"? :3 --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:06, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::We should go with whatever makes the most sense for the character. Since Drift himself is poetic, I say the more idiomatic approach makes the most sense.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:08, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::So, any consensus on whether to go with "peerless" or "peerless under heaven"? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 19:40, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I vote poetic, as I'm sure that was the original intention, and also because of what Jim said. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:16, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::I dunno. When has Drift ever really been poetic? Are his smirks poetic? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:52, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Well, I'm just thinking that if we use it as I'm sure the creators intended, people can draw their own conclusions regarding whether they think it's over the top or just in keeping with the theme of the character (or both or neither). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:26, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::But the problem with playing it straight as the creator intended does not show how he fails at properly doing it, which embellishes the character and the creator rather than "let people draw their own conclusions". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:57, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Is this just a translation issue on how best to express the Japanese idiom to English speakers? Or could the phrase actually mean different things in Japanese? (I'm not quite following the conversation.) - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:39, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::It's a question of idiom vs common usage. For comparison's sake, in today's world Yamamoto is basically just a Japanese surname, but going back all the way down its etymological roots, it meant "the base of the mountain". "Peerless" vs "Peerless under heaven" is essentially the same situation. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:54, 14 May 2010 (EDT)
::A new [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/4/0/5/9/7/TF-Autobot-Drift-Robot_1273791941.jpg side-on shot] of the sword, among [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/hasbro-official-transformers-images-update-part-2---generations-and-power-core-combiners-169704/ other pics]. --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 20:25, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

== New Drift/Deadlock pics ==

[http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=7556 These] were posted over at the IDW boards recently. Would they, or at least the one with what looks like Deadlock in it, be of any use here? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 13:42, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:Not right now, no, but when we get to fill out more about Deadlock, probably. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:50, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::Fair enough. --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 14:01, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::Well, Walky managed to find a way to make it all fit. Nice. (also, caption made me snortle) --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:46, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::::It ''is'' very convenient of him, I guess! --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 15:09, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

== Disputed car model ==

The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R Nissan GT-R] looks a LOT closer to Drift's altmode than either of the ones proposed in the toy entry. -- dvandom, August 7, 2010

== Oshite mairu! ==

Just wanted to say to whoever added the Hakumen quote for the pic shoeing the TakaraTomy version of Drift: thank you! (Quite an apt reference, too.) --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 01:32, 21 October 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Miko Nakadai

2010-10-13T22:15:40Z

Nerroth: New page: == Official kanji? == I suppose it's still a bit early to ask, but is there any material out there listing what, if any, kanji are to be used for Miko's name? --~~~~

== Official kanji? ==

I suppose it's still a bit early to ask, but is there any material out there listing what, if any, kanji are to be used for Miko's name? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 18:15, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

Talk:The Transformers: Drift

2010-07-21T13:45:15Z

Nerroth: /* Covers */

== Covers ==

Is it too early to start putting any of the cover pics up; such as, say, [http://www.regulonfour.com/content/attachments/390d1279544506-transformers_drift03-jpg/ this one] for issue #3? (''Very'' interesting choice of other guy on that pic, I have to say!) --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 09:44, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

Talk:The Transformers: Drift

2010-07-21T13:44:26Z

Nerroth: New page: == Covers == Is it too early to start putting any of the cover pics up; such as, say, [http://www.regulonfour.com/content/attachments/390d1279544506-transformers_drift03-jpg/ this one]? -...

== Covers ==

Is it too early to start putting any of the cover pics up; such as, say, [http://www.regulonfour.com/content/attachments/390d1279544506-transformers_drift03-jpg/ this one]? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 09:44, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II

2010-07-15T18:30:36Z

Nerroth: /* Chapter 3 - Events */

{{Stub}}
{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=''Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac Volume 2''
|image=AllSparkAlmanacIIcover.jpg
|caption=This is where Hasbro's planning to ultimately release Blackout.
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|written by=[[Jim Sorenson]] and [[Bill Forster]]
|date=[[June 30]], [[2010]]
|illustrated by=
|continuity=[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]
|pagecount=220
|price=$19.99 USD
|prev=Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac
|ISBN=ISBN 1600106838 
ISBN 978-1600106835
}}

{{bigquote|Now listen up all you palookas out there! Yer gonna shell out yer dough, yer gonna buy this here book and yer gonna like it. Capish?|[[Dirt Boss (Animated)|Dirt Boss]], the rear cover of The AllSpark Almanac Volume 2}}

'''''Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac Volume 2''''' is proof of a loving, nonspecific deity that delights in shattering readers' pants and brains. Again.

==Contents==
*Foreword, by [[Matt Youngberg]]
*Introduction by the Authors
*Chapter 1: [[Autobot]]s
*Interstitial A: Size Comparison Charts
*Chapter 2: [[Decepticon]]s
*Interstitial B: [[Transformers Animated (franchise)#Japanese release|''Animated'' in Japan]]
*Chapter 3: Events
*Interstitial C: Style Guides
*Chapter 4: Culture
*Interstitial D: [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)#Episodes|Shorts]]
*Chapter 5: [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]
*Interstitial E: Deleted Scenes
*Chapter 6: Settings
*Interstitial F: [[Transformers Animated: The Game|The Video Game]]
*Chapter 7: Project Omega
*Interstitial G: [[The Arrival]]
*Foreword by [[Eric Siebenaler]]
*Section I: Toy Design
*Section II: Animation
*Section III: Season Four
*Section IV: Toy Gallery
*Section V: Packaging Art
*Section VI: The Cast
*Afterword, by [[Aaron Archer]]
*Acknowledgments

==Chapter 1 - Autobots==
Chapter one covers all Autobots who appear in the third season of the cartoon and beyond.

{{collist|3|
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|"Wingblade" Optimus Prime]] by Megatron
*[[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] by Jetstorm
*[[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]] by Jetfire
*[[Safeguard (Animated)|Safeguard]] by Sentinel Prime
*[[Yoketron]] by Jazz
*[[Alpha Trion (Animated)|Alpha Trion]] by Sentinel Prime
*[[Kup (Animated)|Kup]] by Optimus Prime
*[[Perceptor (Animated)|Perceptor]] by Shockwave
*[[Wheeljack (Animated)|Wheeljack]] by Perceptor
*[[Mainframe (Animated)|Mainframe]] by Wheeljack
*[[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus Prime]] by Kup
*[[Brawn (Animated)|Brawn]] by Ironhide
*[[Hot Shot (Animated)|Hot Shot]] by Red Alert
*[[Red Alert (Animated)|Red Alert]] by Hot Shot
*[[Grandus (Animated)|Grandus]] by Rosanna
*[[Beachcomber (Animated)|Beachcomber]] by Rattletrap
*[[Highbrow (Animated)|Highbrow]] by Shockwave
*[[Warpath (Animated)|Warpath]] by Flareup
*[[Dug Base]] by Wheelie
*[[Dai Atlas (Animated)|Dai Atlas]] by Ultra Magnus
*[[Sky Garry (Animated)|Sky Garry]] by Alpha Trion
*[[Rattletrap]] by Warpath
*[[Seaspray (Animated)|Seaspray]] by Sentinel Prime
*[[Autotrooper|Autotroopers]] by Alpha Trion
*[[Botanica (Animated)|Botanica]] by Tracks
*[[Wheelie (Animated)|Wheelie]] by Seaspray
*[[Pipes (Animated)|Pipes]] by Huffer
*[[Huffer (Animated)|Huffer]] by Pipes
*[[Cosmos (Animated)|Cosmos]] by Bulkhead
*[[Tracks (Animated)|Tracks]] by Beachcomber
*[[Powerglide (Animated)|Powerglide]] by Blitzwing
*[[Mirage (Animated)|Mirage]] by Cliffjumper
*[[Glyph (Animated)|Glyph]] by Volks
*[[Tap-Out (Animated)|Tap-Out]] by Glyph
*[[Chase (Animated)|Chase]] by Carrera
*[[Freeway (Animated)|Freeway]] by Sedan
*[[Searchlight (Animated)|Searchlight]] by Furão
*[[Volks (Animated)|Volks]] by Tap-Out
*[[Carrera (Animated)|Carrera]] by Bumper
*[[Furão]] by Chase
*[[Hubcap (Animated)|Hubcap]] by Freeway
*[[Sedan (Animated)|Sedan]] by Hubcap
*[[Bumper (Animated)|Bumper]] by Searchlight
*[[Flareup (Animated)|Flareup]] by Warpath
*[[Lightbright]] by Dug Base
*[[Lickety-Split]] by Lightbright
*[[Rosanna (Animated)|Rosanna]] by Grandus
**[[Steeljaw (Animated)|Steeljaw]]
**[[Zaur]]
**[[Ramhorn (Animated)|Ramhorn]]
*[[Sari Sumdac]] by Ratchet
*[[Wasp]] by Bumblebee}}

===Transformers references===

* Pg 16 - [[Yoketron]] has learned and, subsequently, taught the arts of [[Crystalocution]], [[Diffusion]], [[Tekkaido]], and [[Circuit-Su]].
* Pg 17 - The art of [[Kup (Animated)|Kup]] depicts him with a [[Cigar#IDW comics continuity|cy-gar]].
* Pg 18 - [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] comments on sitting "not ten [[Units of length|mechanometers]]" across from [[Perceptor (Animated)|Perceptor]] in [[Autobot High Council#Transformers: Animated|High Council]] meetings.
* Pg 19 - [[Mainframe (Animated)|Mainframe]] is credited with solving [[Extempaxia|Extempaxia's]] fourth conjecture.
* Pg 20 - Kup refers to [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Hot Rod's]] flame deco as making him look "like he's the [[Pit]]-Damned [[The Fallen|Fallen]]."
* Pg 22 - In [[Ironhide (Animated)|Ironhide's]] anecdotes about [[Brawn (Animated)|Brawn]], he makes mention of the [[Tower of Pion]], [[Ballobot|ballobots]], and [[Widow's Cafe Cybertronian|Widow's Cafe]].
* Pg 24 - [[Red Alert (Animated)|Red Alert's]] hand has been replaced with a [[Transfer Interlink]]. She graduated top of her class at [[Polyhex|Polyhex Medical Mechanical]], and created the vaccine for [[Gold Plastic Syndrome]].
* Pg 26a - Reportedly, [[Beachcomber (Animated)|Beachcomber]] is into [[Syk|syk]], [[Simultronic|simultronics]], [[Angolmois]], and [[Crysmag metal|crysmag]], among other substances.
* Pg 26b - Shockwave recounts the last meeting he had with [[Highbrow (Animated)|Highbrow]] in the [[Manganese Mountains]].
* Pg 29a - [[Rattletrap]] can apparently get unlicensed [[Shock Pop]] datatrax and forged [[S.T.A.R.S.]] idento-cards for the right price.
* Pg 29b - [[Seaspray (Animated)|Seaspray]] fought in the War of the Waves on [[Antilla]].
* Pg 30a - [[Botanica (Animated)|Botanica]] rid [[Daffodil II]] of a [[Morphobot]] infestation.
* Pg 30b - [[Wheelie (Animated)|Wheelie]] was found orphaned in [[Quintesson]] territory.
* Pg 33 - Most of [[Cliffjumper (Animated)|Cliffjumper's]] run-up on [[Mirage (Animated)|Mirage]] portrays a [[Traitor|major lack of trust]].
* Pg 34 - [[Glyph (Animated)|Glyph]] apparently studied the technological evolution of the inhabitants of the [[Gorlam Prime|Gorlam system]].
* Pg 36a - [[Tap-Out (Animated)|Tap-Out]] accuses [[Volks (Animated)|Volks]] of being a "[[Sam Witwicky|LadiesBot217]]-type."
* Pg 36b - [[Carrera (Animated)|Carrera]]'s run-up mentions [[Cybertronian sport#The Iacon 5000|the Iacon 5000]].
* Pg 36c - [[Furão]]'s name means "ferret" in Old [[Malignus]]. He was stationed aboard the ''[[Flash Frenzy]]''.
* Pg 37 - [[Bumper (Animated)|Bumper's]] ship crash-landed on [[Bhul]].
* Pg 38 - [[Lickety-Split]] is a fan of the [[Galactic Olympics]], and would like to win a [[Golden Disk (disambiguation)|Golden Disk]] in the Tour de [[Orgenon Cluster|Orgenon]].

===Real-world references===
* Sari yapping on and on about "vampire movies" is a reference to the ''Twilight'' book/film franchise.

==Chapter 2 - Decepticons==
Chapter two covers all Decepticons who appear in the third season of the cartoon and beyond.

{{collist|3|
*[[Wasp|Waspinator]] by Blackarachnia
*[[Strika (Animated)|General Strika]] by Lugnut
*[[Oil Slick (Animated)|Oil Slick]] by Cyclonus
*[[Cyclonus (Animated)|Cyclonus]] by Scalpel
*[[Blackout (Animated)|Blackout]] by Megatron
*[[Spittor (Animated)|Spittor]] by Oil Slick
*[[Dirt Boss (Animated)|Dirt Boss]] by Scrapper and Mixmaster
*[[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave's Avatars]] by Prowl
*[[Ratbat (Animated)|Ratbat]] and [[Laserbeak (Animated)|Laserbeak]] by Soundwave
*[[Reflector (Animated)|Reflector]] by Blackarachnia
*[[Straxus (Animated)|Lord High Governor Straxus]] by Strika
*[[Slapper (Animated)|Slapper]] by Swindle
*[[Stretch]] by Porter C. Powell
*[[Flip Sides (Animated)|Flip Sides]] by Blurr
*[[Scalpel (Animated)|Scalpel]] by Perceptor
*[[Magnificus (Animated)|Magnificus]] by Starscream}}

===Transformers references===

===Real-world references===

==Chapter 3 - Events==
*[[TransWarped]] as Shockwave and Starscream's Internal Logs, Ratchet and Optimus Prime's Autobot Incident Reports, Bumblebee's Private Journal, and the Headmaster's Yatter page
*[[Three's a Crowd]] as an Autobot Incident Report by Bulkhead and Lugnut's Internal Log
*[[Where Is Thy Sting]] as Autobot Incident Reports by First Aid and Bumblebee
*[[Five Servos Of Doom]] as an Autobot Incident Report by Prowl
*[[Predacons Rising]] as an Autobot Incident Report by Sentinel Prime and a message in a bottle by Waspinator
*[[Human Error, Part I]] as an Autobot Incident Report by Optimus Prime
*[[Human Error, Part II]] as Scrapper's diary
*[[Decepticon Air]] as Sentinel Prime's Private Journal
*[[This Is Why I Hate Machines]] as an issue of the ALTernity Today magazine
*[[Endgame, Part I]] as an Autobot Incident Report by Optimus Prime
*[[Endgame, Part II]] as Megatron's Encrypted Internal Log

===Transformers references===

===Real-world references===

==Chapter 4 - Culture==

===Transformers references===

===Real-world references===

==Chapter 5 - Deleted Scenes==

===Transformers references===

===Real-world references===

==Chapter 6 - Settings==

===Transformers references===

===Real-world references===

==Chapter 7 - Project Omega==

===Transformers references===

===Real-world references===

==Section I - Toy Design==

==Section II - Animation==

==Section III - Season Four==

==Section IV - Toy Gallery==

==Section V - Packaging Art==

==Section VI - The Cast==

==Interstitials==

==Literary elements==
Including the copyright information, title page, foreword and afterwords, notes from the authors and acknowledgments.

==Notes==
* Cover artist [[Marcelo Matere]] recreates some of his own [[package art]] on the cover. That's probably a first.
* [[Hiroyuki Otoboto]]'s quote contains 「思ったよりも本のサイズが大きくてびっくり！」 ("I was amazed—the book was even bigger than I expected!"), which was manga artist [[Naoto Tsushima]]'s reaction that he tweeted after importing the [[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac|first volume.]] <ref>[http://twitvideo.jp/00VMB Tsushima's TwitVideo with "The AllSpark Almanac"]</ref>

===Errors===
* The cover depicts Bumblebee playing with Roll Out Command Optimus Prime, but the box beside him is that of Prime's Voyager-sized toy. It also depicts the Leader Class Bulkhead's buzzsaw on the wrong arm.
* On the back cover, the quote for Hiroyuki is mistakenly written as 「小さい頃、超ロボット生命体トランスフォーマーの本この本に等しかったな。懐かしいない... 思ったよりも本のサイズが大きくてびっくり！」 ("When I was young, [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|Super Robot Lifeform Transformers]] did have a book that was something like this. I didn't miss it... I was amazed—the book was even bigger than I expected!"). The correct form should have been 「小さい頃、『超ロボット生命体トランスフォーマー』の本この本に等しかったない。懐かしいな... 思ったよりも本のサイズが大きくてびっくり！」 ("When I was young, 'Super Robot Lifeform Transformers' didn't have a book that was something like this. How nostalgic... I was amazed—the book was even bigger than I expected!").
* On p. 52, the text says that [[Blackout (Animated)|Blackout]] "bristles with ordinance". "Ordinances" are local laws; "ordnance" is weaponry.
* On p. 114, in the text at the top, "[[Vestial Imperium]]" is misspelled "Vestal".
* On p. 139, "primitive" is misspelled "primative".

==References==
<references/>
==External links==
*[http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/annotatedalmanac2.html The Annotated AllSpark Almanac II], a 98% complete listing of the hidden references in the book

[[Category:Animated]]
[[Category:IDW titles]]
[[Category:Reference texts]]

Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II

2010-07-15T18:29:11Z

Nerroth: /* Chapter 3 - Events */ A few of the versions of events weren't quite right. By the way, How can you tell which Decepticon wrote the diary entry for Human Error, Part II?

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{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=''Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac Volume 2''
|image=AllSparkAlmanacIIcover.jpg
|caption=This is where Hasbro's planning to ultimately release Blackout.
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|written by=[[Jim Sorenson]] and [[Bill Forster]]
|date=[[June 30]], [[2010]]
|illustrated by=
|continuity=[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]
|pagecount=220
|price=$19.99 USD
|prev=Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac
|ISBN=ISBN 1600106838 
ISBN 978-1600106835
}}

{{bigquote|Now listen up all you palookas out there! Yer gonna shell out yer dough, yer gonna buy this here book and yer gonna like it. Capish?|[[Dirt Boss (Animated)|Dirt Boss]], the rear cover of The AllSpark Almanac Volume 2}}

'''''Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac Volume 2''''' is proof of a loving, nonspecific deity that delights in shattering readers' pants and brains. Again.

==Contents==
*Foreword, by [[Matt Youngberg]]
*Introduction by the Authors
*Chapter 1: [[Autobot]]s
*Interstitial A: Size Comparison Charts
*Chapter 2: [[Decepticon]]s
*Interstitial B: [[Transformers Animated (franchise)#Japanese release|''Animated'' in Japan]]
*Chapter 3: Events
*Interstitial C: Style Guides
*Chapter 4: Culture
*Interstitial D: [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)#Episodes|Shorts]]
*Chapter 5: [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]
*Interstitial E: Deleted Scenes
*Chapter 6: Settings
*Interstitial F: [[Transformers Animated: The Game|The Video Game]]
*Chapter 7: Project Omega
*Interstitial G: [[The Arrival]]
*Foreword by [[Eric Siebenaler]]
*Section I: Toy Design
*Section II: Animation
*Section III: Season Four
*Section IV: Toy Gallery
*Section V: Packaging Art
*Section VI: The Cast
*Afterword, by [[Aaron Archer]]
*Acknowledgments

==Chapter 1 - Autobots==
Chapter one covers all Autobots who appear in the third season of the cartoon and beyond.

{{collist|3|
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|"Wingblade" Optimus Prime]] by Megatron
*[[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] by Jetstorm
*[[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]] by Jetfire
*[[Safeguard (Animated)|Safeguard]] by Sentinel Prime
*[[Yoketron]] by Jazz
*[[Alpha Trion (Animated)|Alpha Trion]] by Sentinel Prime
*[[Kup (Animated)|Kup]] by Optimus Prime
*[[Perceptor (Animated)|Perceptor]] by Shockwave
*[[Wheeljack (Animated)|Wheeljack]] by Perceptor
*[[Mainframe (Animated)|Mainframe]] by Wheeljack
*[[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus Prime]] by Kup
*[[Brawn (Animated)|Brawn]] by Ironhide
*[[Hot Shot (Animated)|Hot Shot]] by Red Alert
*[[Red Alert (Animated)|Red Alert]] by Hot Shot
*[[Grandus (Animated)|Grandus]] by Rosanna
*[[Beachcomber (Animated)|Beachcomber]] by Rattletrap
*[[Highbrow (Animated)|Highbrow]] by Shockwave
*[[Warpath (Animated)|Warpath]] by Flareup
*[[Dug Base]] by Wheelie
*[[Dai Atlas (Animated)|Dai Atlas]] by Ultra Magnus
*[[Sky Garry (Animated)|Sky Garry]] by Alpha Trion
*[[Rattletrap]] by Warpath
*[[Seaspray (Animated)|Seaspray]] by Sentinel Prime
*[[Autotrooper|Autotroopers]] by Alpha Trion
*[[Botanica (Animated)|Botanica]] by Tracks
*[[Wheelie (Animated)|Wheelie]] by Seaspray
*[[Pipes (Animated)|Pipes]] by Huffer
*[[Huffer (Animated)|Huffer]] by Pipes
*[[Cosmos (Animated)|Cosmos]] by Bulkhead
*[[Tracks (Animated)|Tracks]] by Beachcomber
*[[Powerglide (Animated)|Powerglide]] by Blitzwing
*[[Mirage (Animated)|Mirage]] by Cliffjumper
*[[Glyph (Animated)|Glyph]] by Volks
*[[Tap-Out (Animated)|Tap-Out]] by Glyph
*[[Chase (Animated)|Chase]] by Carrera
*[[Freeway (Animated)|Freeway]] by Sedan
*[[Searchlight (Animated)|Searchlight]] by Furão
*[[Volks (Animated)|Volks]] by Tap-Out
*[[Carrera (Animated)|Carrera]] by Bumper
*[[Furão]] by Chase
*[[Hubcap (Animated)|Hubcap]] by Freeway
*[[Sedan (Animated)|Sedan]] by Hubcap
*[[Bumper (Animated)|Bumper]] by Searchlight
*[[Flareup (Animated)|Flareup]] by Warpath
*[[Lightbright]] by Dug Base
*[[Lickety-Split]] by Lightbright
*[[Rosanna (Animated)|Rosanna]] by Grandus
**[[Steeljaw (Animated)|Steeljaw]]
**[[Zaur]]
**[[Ramhorn (Animated)|Ramhorn]]
*[[Sari Sumdac]] by Ratchet
*[[Wasp]] by Bumblebee}}

===Transformers references===

* Pg 16 - [[Yoketron]] has learned and, subsequently, taught the arts of [[Crystalocution]], [[Diffusion]], [[Tekkaido]], and [[Circuit-Su]].
* Pg 17 - The art of [[Kup (Animated)|Kup]] depicts him with a [[Cigar#IDW comics continuity|cy-gar]].
* Pg 18 - [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] comments on sitting "not ten [[Units of length|mechanometers]]" across from [[Perceptor (Animated)|Perceptor]] in [[Autobot High Council#Transformers: Animated|High Council]] meetings.
* Pg 19 - [[Mainframe (Animated)|Mainframe]] is credited with solving [[Extempaxia|Extempaxia's]] fourth conjecture.
* Pg 20 - Kup refers to [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Hot Rod's]] flame deco as making him look "like he's the [[Pit]]-Damned [[The Fallen|Fallen]]."
* Pg 22 - In [[Ironhide (Animated)|Ironhide's]] anecdotes about [[Brawn (Animated)|Brawn]], he makes mention of the [[Tower of Pion]], [[Ballobot|ballobots]], and [[Widow's Cafe Cybertronian|Widow's Cafe]].
* Pg 24 - [[Red Alert (Animated)|Red Alert's]] hand has been replaced with a [[Transfer Interlink]]. She graduated top of her class at [[Polyhex|Polyhex Medical Mechanical]], and created the vaccine for [[Gold Plastic Syndrome]].
* Pg 26a - Reportedly, [[Beachcomber (Animated)|Beachcomber]] is into [[Syk|syk]], [[Simultronic|simultronics]], [[Angolmois]], and [[Crysmag metal|crysmag]], among other substances.
* Pg 26b - Shockwave recounts the last meeting he had with [[Highbrow (Animated)|Highbrow]] in the [[Manganese Mountains]].
* Pg 29a - [[Rattletrap]] can apparently get unlicensed [[Shock Pop]] datatrax and forged [[S.T.A.R.S.]] idento-cards for the right price.
* Pg 29b - [[Seaspray (Animated)|Seaspray]] fought in the War of the Waves on [[Antilla]].
* Pg 30a - [[Botanica (Animated)|Botanica]] rid [[Daffodil II]] of a [[Morphobot]] infestation.
* Pg 30b - [[Wheelie (Animated)|Wheelie]] was found orphaned in [[Quintesson]] territory.
* Pg 33 - Most of [[Cliffjumper (Animated)|Cliffjumper's]] run-up on [[Mirage (Animated)|Mirage]] portrays a [[Traitor|major lack of trust]].
* Pg 34 - [[Glyph (Animated)|Glyph]] apparently studied the technological evolution of the inhabitants of the [[Gorlam Prime|Gorlam system]].
* Pg 36a - [[Tap-Out (Animated)|Tap-Out]] accuses [[Volks (Animated)|Volks]] of being a "[[Sam Witwicky|LadiesBot217]]-type."
* Pg 36b - [[Carrera (Animated)|Carrera]]'s run-up mentions [[Cybertronian sport#The Iacon 5000|the Iacon 5000]].
* Pg 36c - [[Furão]]'s name means "ferret" in Old [[Malignus]]. He was stationed aboard the ''[[Flash Frenzy]]''.
* Pg 37 - [[Bumper (Animated)|Bumper's]] ship crash-landed on [[Bhul]].
* Pg 38 - [[Lickety-Split]] is a fan of the [[Galactic Olympics]], and would like to win a [[Golden Disk (disambiguation)|Golden Disk]] in the Tour de [[Orgenon Cluster|Orgenon]].

===Real-world references===
* Sari yapping on and on about "vampire movies" is a reference to the ''Twilight'' book/film franchise.

==Chapter 2 - Decepticons==
Chapter two covers all Decepticons who appear in the third season of the cartoon and beyond.

{{collist|3|
*[[Wasp|Waspinator]] by Blackarachnia
*[[Strika (Animated)|General Strika]] by Lugnut
*[[Oil Slick (Animated)|Oil Slick]] by Cyclonus
*[[Cyclonus (Animated)|Cyclonus]] by Scalpel
*[[Blackout (Animated)|Blackout]] by Megatron
*[[Spittor (Animated)|Spittor]] by Oil Slick
*[[Dirt Boss (Animated)|Dirt Boss]] by Scrapper and Mixmaster
*[[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave's Avatars]] by Prowl
*[[Ratbat (Animated)|Ratbat]] and [[Laserbeak (Animated)|Laserbeak]] by Soundwave
*[[Reflector (Animated)|Reflector]] by Blackarachnia
*[[Straxus (Animated)|Lord High Governor Straxus]] by Strika
*[[Slapper (Animated)|Slapper]] by Swindle
*[[Stretch]] by Porter C. Powell
*[[Flip Sides (Animated)|Flip Sides]] by Blurr
*[[Scalpel (Animated)|Scalpel]] by Perceptor
*[[Magnificus (Animated)|Magnificus]] by Starscream}}

===Transformers references===

===Real-world references===

==Chapter 3 - Events==
*[[TransWarped]] as Shockwave and Starscream's Internal Logs, Ratchet and Optimus Prime's Autobot Incident Reports, Bumblebee's Private Journal, and the Headmaster's Yatter page
*[[Three's a Crowd]] as an Autobot Incident Report by Bulkhead and Lugnut's Internal Log
*[[Where Is Thy Sting]] as Autobot Incident Reports by First Aid and Bumblebee
*[[Five Servos Of Doom]] as an Autobot Incident Report by Prowl
*[[Predacons Rising]] as an Autobot Incident Report by Optimus Prime and a message in a bottle by Waspinator
*[[Human Error, Part I]] as an Autobot Incident Report by Optimus Prime
*[[Human Error, Part II]] as Scrapper's diary
*[[Decepticon Air]] as Sentinel Prime's Private Journal
*[[This Is Why I Hate Machines]] as an issue of the ALTernity Today magazine
*[[Endgame, Part I]] as an Autobot Incident Report by Optimus Prime
*[[Endgame, Part II]] as Megatron's Encrypted Internal Log

===Transformers references===

===Real-world references===

==Chapter 4 - Culture==

===Transformers references===

===Real-world references===

==Chapter 5 - Deleted Scenes==

===Transformers references===

===Real-world references===

==Chapter 6 - Settings==

===Transformers references===

===Real-world references===

==Chapter 7 - Project Omega==

===Transformers references===

===Real-world references===

==Section I - Toy Design==

==Section II - Animation==

==Section III - Season Four==

==Section IV - Toy Gallery==

==Section V - Packaging Art==

==Section VI - The Cast==

==Interstitials==

==Literary elements==
Including the copyright information, title page, foreword and afterwords, notes from the authors and acknowledgments.

==Notes==
* Cover artist [[Marcelo Matere]] recreates some of his own [[package art]] on the cover. That's probably a first.
* [[Hiroyuki Otoboto]]'s quote contains 「思ったよりも本のサイズが大きくてびっくり！」 ("I was amazed—the book was even bigger than I expected!"), which was manga artist [[Naoto Tsushima]]'s reaction that he tweeted after importing the [[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac|first volume.]] <ref>[http://twitvideo.jp/00VMB Tsushima's TwitVideo with "The AllSpark Almanac"]</ref>

===Errors===
* The cover depicts Bumblebee playing with Roll Out Command Optimus Prime, but the box beside him is that of Prime's Voyager-sized toy. It also depicts the Leader Class Bulkhead's buzzsaw on the wrong arm.
* On the back cover, the quote for Hiroyuki is mistakenly written as 「小さい頃、超ロボット生命体トランスフォーマーの本この本に等しかったな。懐かしいない... 思ったよりも本のサイズが大きくてびっくり！」 ("When I was young, [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|Super Robot Lifeform Transformers]] did have a book that was something like this. I didn't miss it... I was amazed—the book was even bigger than I expected!"). The correct form should have been 「小さい頃、『超ロボット生命体トランスフォーマー』の本この本に等しかったない。懐かしいな... 思ったよりも本のサイズが大きくてびっくり！」 ("When I was young, 'Super Robot Lifeform Transformers' didn't have a book that was something like this. How nostalgic... I was amazed—the book was even bigger than I expected!").
* On p. 52, the text says that [[Blackout (Animated)|Blackout]] "bristles with ordinance". "Ordinances" are local laws; "ordnance" is weaponry.
* On p. 114, in the text at the top, "[[Vestial Imperium]]" is misspelled "Vestal".
* On p. 139, "primitive" is misspelled "primative".

==References==
<references/>
==External links==
*[http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/annotatedalmanac2.html The Annotated AllSpark Almanac II], a 98% complete listing of the hidden references in the book

[[Category:Animated]]
[[Category:IDW titles]]
[[Category:Reference texts]]

Talk:Dark Energon

2010-06-24T06:16:19Z

Nerroth: /* Angolmois? */

Talk:Dark Energon

2010-06-24T06:15:57Z

Nerroth: New page: == Angolmois? == From the sounds of it, this Dark Energon stuff has a bit of a ring of Angolmois about it. Is there anything officially tying the two concepts together, or no? --~~~...

== Angolmois? ==

From the sounds of it, this Dark Energon stuff has a bit of a ring of [[Angolmois]] about it. Is there anything officially tying the two concepts together, or no? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 02:15, 24 June 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Magnum

2010-06-23T23:05:49Z

Nerroth:

== '''Another ''Animated'' montage?''' ==

I haven't seen him run around with a hammer or anything, but the line about him turning into a missile truck, coupled with his having [[Sentinel Major]] around as a <s>lackey</s>lieutenant, makes me think this guy might be more of a nod to ''Animated'' Magnus than a prior G1 iteration. Could the Magnum name be a way to avoid pre-empting the later emergence of a separate Ultra Magnus character in the ''Wings of Honor'' timeline? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 19:05, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Magnum

2010-06-23T23:05:03Z

Nerroth: New page: '''Another ''Animated'' montage?''' I haven't seen him run around with a hammer or anything, but the line about him turning into a missile truck, coupled with his having [[Sentinel Major]...

'''Another ''Animated'' montage?'''

I haven't seen him run around with a hammer or anything, but the line about him turning into a missile truck, coupled with his having [[Sentinel Major]] around as a <s>lackey</s>lieutenant, makes me think this guy might be more of a nod to ''Animated'' Magnus than a prior G1 iteration. Could the Magnum name be a way to avoid pre-empting the later emergence of a separate Ultra Magnus character in the ''Wings of Honor'' timeline? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 19:05, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Drift (G1)

2010-05-14T00:25:59Z

Nerroth: /* Sword squiggles */

Sorry, about not putting the spoiler warning, i'm new to this. {{unsigned|70.71.179.87|23:52, 8 April 2009}}

== Weabo? ==

What happened to the awesome weabo fancharacter header we had for this guy? {{unsigned|Dead Metal}}
:There was a big desnarking a while back. Probably got removed back then. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:01, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
::Oh man, that was the best part of the entire article.:([[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 07:42, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Can someone quote it? {{unsigned|83.24.148.159}}
::::[http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Drift_%28G1%29&oldid=224223 This] is the earliest coherent version of the page in the available page history. You can also check his page on the other wiki, along with its own revision history.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:03, 29 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Why was the note about the similarities to the Magscinder toy removed? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:53, 13 February 2010 (EST)
::::::Because "X is similar to Y" is pointless bloat? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:33, 13 February 2010 (EST)

== Sword squiggles ==
Hi.

In the preview gallery at Seibertron, one of the [http://www.seibertron.com/events/fullsize.php?event_id=125&size=2&image=21 pics] seems to offer a somewhat better look at what the symbols on the toy's larger sword are meant to be. Can anyone tell if they are kanji - akin to that on the side doors - or are they perhaps some sort of Cybertronian glyphs (i.e. not meant to mean anything in particular)? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 01:47, 14 March 2010 (EST)
:The first character is [http://jisho.org/kanji/details/%E4%B8%8B 下]. I can't read the other two due to glare. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:04, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::Actually, the first two characters are 天下 ''tenka'' for "descent from heaven", "the world", or "under heaven", from [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=168520#168520 here] at the IDW boards. But yeah, still can't see the last two. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 03:52, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::Oh god, I think that might actually say 天下無双 or 天下無比.... Oh god... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:13, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>squints closer<nowiki>*</nowiki> Yanno? That might actually say 天下無双 (''tenka musō''). And it WOULD make sense. Heh. I might not be surprised if the other side of the sword said 天下無比 (''tenka muhi'')... XD --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:18, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>bangs head on wall repeatedly<nowiki>*</nowiki> --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:20, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::::::Well, ''Tenka Muhi'' would be overkill, since both mean the same thing of "peerless under heaven". :D --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:24, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::::::My dictionnary just translates both as "peerless, unmatched", but yeah. Epic wallbangery. The hell, Hasbro? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:32, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::::::::But, "peerless under heaven" is so much more poetic! :3 --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 16:13, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::Ah. Unlike Detour, I haven't paid any attention to the toy, so I didn't know there was another character cut off. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 07:29, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::::Well I had paid attention to the toy but certainly not enough to even notice the characters until Nerroth pointed them out. I just went looking through an online dictionary after you guys started posting the kanji you recognized. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:31, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::::Thanks for the help. (It's still possible that the sword's inscription is referring to itself, not its owner - or that it used to belong to someone else, before Drift started using it. Or something.)
:::::EDIT: Should a note about the translation wait until someone gets a closer look at the toy, then? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 13:42, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::::::Eh, I rather wait till the toy's release to fully confirm it, since Detour *pats back* and I are going on hunches. Like the boards, "pics or it didn't happen". :) --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 16:13, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, wait and see. It might end up saying something different after all. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:32, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:There's a (slightly) clearer pic of Drift's sword [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/3/9/4/0/7/6-deluxe-gen-01_1271951485.jpg here]. --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 16:51, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
::Yup. That's 天下無双! Now can we put it in? :D --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:47, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
:::As long as we go with the modern translation and not the ancient poetic translation. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:52, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
::::It's not ancient! Well, just a bit literal... I like it poetic! Or would you prefer "idiomatic"? :3 --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:06, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::We should go with whatever makes the most sense for the character. Since Drift himself is poetic, I say the more idiomatic approach makes the most sense.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:08, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::So, any consensus on whether to go with "peerless" or "peerless under heaven"? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 19:40, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I vote poetic, as I'm sure that was the original intention, and also because of what Jim said. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:16, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
::A new [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/4/0/5/9/7/TF-Autobot-Drift-Robot_1273791941.jpg side-on shot] of the sword, among [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/hasbro-official-transformers-images-update-part-2---generations-and-power-core-combiners-169704/ other pics]. --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 20:25, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

== New Drift/Deadlock pics ==

[http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=7556 These] were posted over at the IDW boards recently. Would they, or at least the one with what looks like Deadlock in it, be of any use here? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 13:42, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:Not right now, no, but when we get to fill out more about Deadlock, probably. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:50, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::Fair enough. --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 14:01, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
:::Well, Walky managed to find a way to make it all fit. Nice. (also, caption made me snortle) --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:46, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
::::It ''is'' very convenient of him, I guess! --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 15:09, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)

2010-05-05T23:27:35Z

Nerroth: /* New characters */

Why are we linking to the G1 characters? I thought this was supposed to be something new. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 04:10, 11 December 2009 (EST)

:There's really no way of knowing for sure until we have more information about the storyline and characters. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:20, 11 December 2009 (EST)
::I really, really doubt they won't be Primax characters, new continuity or not. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:50, 11 December 2009 (EST)
:::Agree that's that most likely the case. But I do sort of wonder if maybe this game is going to end up being some sort of prequel-y tie-in to the new cartoon/franchise that's coming. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:15, 11 December 2009 (EST)

== It does seem like a seperate continuity ==

I mean, seriously different. Should we ask Hasbro?
:Well, not sure about asking Hasbro, we'll know soon enough one way or the other. But IMO, bad information is worse than no information. Assuming that these guys are G1 is just that - an assumption. We should tread lightly. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:29, 11 December 2009 (EST)
::They use the G1 logo, Cybertron's from [[Alpha Centauri]], and the roster includes only G1 dudes. I'd say "assumption" isn't really strong enough of a word. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 11 December 2009 (EST)
:::I think we should wait for a confirmation that it's a G1 universe before making assumptions. The roster so far only includes G1 dudes. If we made that assumption, the movieverse would be part of G1 (early on only G1 based characters were announced. It could simply be like animated and it references things heavily. [[User:Eire]] 16.03 Dec 15 09 (OUTC)
:::The TFW2005 interview states it's "not connected to any particular generation" and that this will be the foundation for newer sub-franchises. That does indicate this isn't G1 but yet another continuity. [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] 16:31, 23 December 2009 (GMT)
::::It would certainly seem to. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:44, 23 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Alrighty. Hopefully at some point we'll have a good parenthetical for this new continuity ... family. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:46, 23 December 2009 (EST)
::::::How about "WFC"? [[User:ThiAthEhn]]
:::::::I agree. It has been stated in interviews that this is a new continuity and the character designs seem to be taking influence from a number of previous incarnations; mostly War Within, Transformers Animated and the live-action movies. It would be difficult to make the case that these are meant to be direct variations on the G1 characters. I second the idea of using "WFC" to classify them. [[User: Clifftothemax|Clifftothemax]] 10:17, 19 January 2010 (GMT)
:::::: This IS a diffrent continuity- IGN Preview "Freed from the constraints of a movie license, the new Transformers game lives within its own universe." The TWF2005 preview and interview, multiple times in Game Informer's articles and alot in the Podcast on the same site. It's just heavily inspired by G1. I didn't want to change anything because I don't want to start an edit war over this. [[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 17:23, 16 January 2010 (EST)
::::::: Something can still be a new universe while being part of an existing [[continuity family]]. [[Henkei! Henkei!]] was a new universe that was still G1, as was [[Classics (2006)|Classics]] and the IDW stuff. What's important to the wiki is whether this will be a new continuity family, not just strictly a new universe. New universes happen all the time. New continuity families are much more rare. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:37, 19 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::: The thing is, it is (and always has been) a bit of a subjective value judgement alot of the time. How much similarity to G1 do we need to make something definately G1? Or does it work the other way? How big a New Element (minicons, cyberkeys,) do we need to make it difinitively it's own ConFam? Authorial intent definately has to be part of it too. Anything that specifically calls itself G1 is obvious, and anything that seems to be trying to pick up the original G1 characters/situations themselves even if it's in new forms or directions, alla IDW (although even that can be tricky to judge, agaiin HOW MUCH change makes a break?)... When we have as little info as we do right now on WfC it's almost impossible to judge what it will become. Do we have an editorial policy (and if not should we?) saying "Something new that seems G1-ish IS, until we see differences enough to prove it's not," or vice-versa "anything new is to be considered it's own continuity until we've seen enough to feel if it's G1-continuity family?" A set plan either way might make these situations a bit less random in the future. Maybe?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 10:48, 19 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::lostcount: I would be ''highly'' surprised if WFC turns out to represent a whole new continuity family. We've already accepted too many retellings and revisions of G1 as being part of G1 for this one to fairly be split out, unless it has something that is an inescapable telltale mark of a separate confam, i.e. they're fighting for the Movie Allspark. "Its prehistory is very slightly different" will not be good enough, as is shown by the comfortable confam coexistence of FFOD, War Within, and Stormbringer. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 00:01, 21 January 2010 (EST)
:[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=66275 And the Club Magazine's leading questions] imply that this is indeed G1. Maybe even a previous G1. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:04, 25 January 2010 (EST)
By what you just showed, it'll be a part of the G1 Continuity family (I still question that its anything more than "influenced by it" I mean what constitutes a G1 Confam..yes IDW and Dreamwave are under it, but is the same true for an animated series? I mean honestly, If that were true, then Transformers Animated would be a part of the G1 Confam, and its not.) but shouldn't it have its own section near the bottom at some point, (for game, toys, series, etc.) sense apparently (and this is news to me) your link seems to state its based on its own upcoming series.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
EDIT: Sorry to be posting an additional edit: but I have a distinct feeling, and am going to risk being wrong to call it now: An upcoming comic-tie in to it that basically further stretches whether it should be its own Confam or not.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

== The New trailer ==

should we make a summary of the trailer?--[[User:Defect|Defect]] 14:25, 12 January 2010 (EST)
: The link to the trailer is probably enough. A play-by-play would be a bit excessive. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:27, 12 January 2010 (EST)
:: Isn't the point of our wiki to be excessive? --[[User:ThiAthEhn]]

== Logos ==

I'm guessing the answer is no, but have the developers released any images of the characters on a white background that we can use to make some logos for the Main Page? I know we're not sure who the characters ''are'' yet, but we can link them to the WFC page for now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:34, 13 January 2010 (EST)
: No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:13, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::Of course, the current logo doesn't look too bad on the main page.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:14, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::I think he means the center TFwiki one with the rotating characters. If we want to cut people out of screencaps with photoshop, we could probably add some WfC ones to the rotation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:21, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::::I cropped a WfC out of his concept art and inserted him into the rotation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:59, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::::Awesome! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:08, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::::::And a Megatron. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:10, 13 January 2010 (EST)

== Starscream? ==

Who says that '''black and grey''' seeker in the "Megatron and Starscream prepare for the ground assault" picture is Starscream? It's much more likely it's Skywarp.-[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 01:00, 26 January 2010 (EST)
: He has blue and red, though. It's just overwhelmed by the lighting. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:30, 24 January 2010 (EST)
::Plus, aside from the obvious color shadings (if you look), who are usually considered the three most popular Decepticons? Megatron, Soundwave and Starscream. It doesn't really make much sense for Skywarp to be along the line-up in Starscream's place. There IS another jet flying around the battle however. - [[User:Clifftothemax|Clifftothemax]] 14:38, 10 February 2010
Alright, my bad :( --[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 18:54, 10 February 2010 (EST)

== Toys Confirmed, mention here? ==

So we've had the existance of WfC toys confirmed by non-leeky sources (Game Informer, Fun pub) now my question is do they rate a mention here on this page. Generally they'd ust be mentioned on the character pages but this is pretty much the first time ever a TF Video game has gotten its own toys. Worth a Trivia entry? Or it's own sub-section? --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 11:52, 25 January 2010 (EST)
:We do need to start mentioning it as news becomes official, but it's not true that this is the only Transformers game that's had its own toys. Several of the designs from the both live-action film games had toys made of them, and a Decepticlone from the Armada video game got made into an Attactix figure. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:30, 25 January 2010 (EST)
:: Can we count on you for the photos? --[[User: ThiAthEhn|ThiAthEhn]]
::: What? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:15, 27 January 2010 (EST)

We have official stock photos for two toys now, that aren't from the club. Not sure where we want to put them.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:00, 27 January 2010 (EST)
: It would help if we knew the name of the toyline they were being featured in. For now, put them on this page, I think, just because we're building this article as an attraction. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:03, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::Done. --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:08, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::Is it just me or do those look like movie-ized versions of the Animated designs? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:39, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::: I'd say more "Classics-ized" versions of the Animated designs myself. Regardless yes it's pretty clear that the Animated, Movie, and Classics aesthetics all influenced their development, which makes sense, those being the last three main TF lines.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 10:43, 27 January 2010 (EST)

== Fresh trailer guys ==

http://kotaku.com/5480780/first-look-at-transformers-war-for-cybertron-gameplay-footage

Nothing spectacularly surprising, but looks quite awesome.

ThiAthEhn
: Yeah, uh, that's already in the article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:46, 26 February 2010 (EST)

Seriously? This one has actual gameplay, something I haven't seen in the other ones...
ThiAthEhn
: Third link in "external links" at the bottom, dude. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:08, 27 February 2010 (EST)

==Character Sources?==
I think it may be wise to put up the sources for each new character, or at least an image of them. Not all of us have the good fortune of reading Kotaku to know Grimlock is actually in the game. Just a suggestion, however. In a few months it won't matter anyway.[[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 20:39, 28 February 2010 (EST)
: For many characters, this isn't possible. For example, we know about the two Aerialbots from Toy Fair 2010, to which we we can't link because recording anything was forbidden. And an image of Grimlock is down in the gallery, so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:29, 28 February 2010 (EST)

==Release date==
Gamestop seems to think this game is coming out on June 22, not July 22 as this article states. They even guarantee its delivery on that date if you preorder! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:46, 2 March 2010 (EST)

== Motormaster ==

Here is a picture that maybe shows Motormaster in the Nintendo DS Version:
http://cache-10.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/500x_5231_02_0098_20100119-cli1.jpg

Also, on the tfw2005 board it has been statet that motormaster will be in the game.
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/293592-war-cybertron-kotaku-articles-ds-version-5.html
: I can take [[Marcelo Matere]]'s word on it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:01, 6 March 2010 (EST)

== Interview and more gameplay and footage ==

http://kotaku.com/5493784/building-the-ultimate-transformers-origin-story

Always possible that you've already seen it, but here it is, feel free to add.

-Aaron Archer

-It apparantly IS G1, not seperate.

-Scorponok (?) (!) boss battle?

-And much more...

ThiAthEhn

== No PSP option... ==

Has there been any word, in an interview or announcement, as to why no PSP version of the game has been announced (and may not be, for that matter)? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 00:28, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

== [edit] It does seem like a seperate continuity ==

I think its a "revised"
backstory on g1 before they crashed into Mt. St. Helens 4,000,000 years ago. [[User:LADIES MAN TOO-ONE-SEVEN|LADIES MAN TOO-ONE-SEVEN]] 15:55, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

== Voice actor thing ==

I find it hard to believe that if a site was playing April Fools on people, they wouldn't own up to the fact to tell people they got sucked in bad. Also, they posted it before April Fools and have subsequently removed all traces of the offending "false" information from the article. Anybody remember the kerfuffle over the 2008 reveal of The Fallen's role in ROTF? Same thing happened - articles swiftly edited to remove information the Bay deemed unfit for publication at the time. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:43, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
:The Activision folks also sent e-mails to Seibertron and TFormers, and Lonegamer says she actually spoke to an Activision rep on the phone on the Allspark's behalf.
:So... if it is a coverup, it's at least one that spreads beyond that one site. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:04, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
::Also, the ROTF 2008 cover up - we documented that information on the wiki for posterity. I take it we're not going to do the same for this event? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:08, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
:::That felt like a cover-up. See, that was about denying that a movie called REVENGE OF THE FALLEN was about a character called THE FALLEN. This doesn't feel like a cover-up to me. It feels like some video game site got their information off Wikipedia again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:24, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
::::Except that it's a rather large, detailed, substantial article that started with "AusGamers was recently invited out to High Moon Studios in San Diego" and "Some familiar voices were being thrown about the demo [insert voice actor information]". Unless the entire article is based on falsehoods and assumptions, they went up to High Moon Studios. They saw the game in action. They talked to the people who made it. Not "We made this shit up by piecing it together from things we heard online, especially Wikipedia." --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:25, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::The whole article reeked of Did Not Do The Research. Cullen's name was misspelled, they referred to Chris Latta's real name and stage name as separate people... So yeah, I'm going to go with "idiots" over "cover-up". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 07:26, 10 April 2010 (EDT)

== New Characters' pages? ==
VM: Would I ask why nearly all characters except Demolishor are linked to their G1 incarnation? Why not make a new one WfC?
: We're not exactly sure how WFC/Prime is going to play out continuity family-wise. Until then, it's safest to link to their G1 versions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:00, 8 April 2010 (EDT)
::VM: I see, but I think personally they should have their own, but its only my opinion :)

== Jazz? ==

The scout in the multiplayer traier looks alot like Jazz and when you hover over the pre-order button on thier website I am pretty sure its Jazz next to Shockwave

== Image Captions/Quotes ==

So for the 1986 Transformer movie, there were a bunch of quotes from Star Wars: A New Hope. Then for the 2007 movie, there were quotes from the 1986 movie. And for RotF, we did quotes from The Empire Strikes Back. I'm wondering if we should do quotes from the Halo series for the image captions for War for Cybertron. What do you think?

And in a somewhat related manner, I might have found what could possibly be the [http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp251/Darth_Shadow_91/warforcybertroncoverart.jpg boxart] for WfC. If we use it, I have a proposed quote.

''Men, keep your eyes downrange, fingers on the trigger, and we all come home in one piece. Am I right, Marines?''

Sgt. Avery Johnson, Halo: Combat Evolved

[[User:Darth Shadow 91|Darth Shadow 91]] 23:45, 29 April 2010 (EST)
:By that logic we could use Zelda or Mario quotes. Anyways, as always, unless there's some definite theme in the captions (Like Animated Wreck-Gar's page), no caption, or the caption is just a ''really'' bad joke, the captions are up to whoever adds the image.[[User:Monty Prime|Monty Prime]] 01:18, 30 April 2010 (EDT)

== New characters ==

Over [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/video-games-17/war-for-cybertron---tfw2005-visits-high-moon-studios--gameplay-impressions-169615/ here], it looks like Arcee, Slipstream, and some others are in the mix. --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 12:54, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:Those were supposed to be still under ''embargo''... -_-; --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:10, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:: Yeah, TFW doesn't really ''give a shit'' about your stupid informational release dates. They're too busy being BEST AND FIRST. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:28, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::: There's definitely an Arcee-mould character in the new Multiplayer trailer along with characters sharing moulds with Optimus Prime, Ratchet, Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave, so we can probably confirm that one. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:44, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Where the hell are people getting Rumble and Frenzy from? Also, since Slipstream only shows up in the "embargo" pics, should we even mention her at all, let alone give her an article? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:51, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Embargo's been lifted (I think). As for Frenzy and Rumble, one of the concept art shows two that resemble the Casseticons, especially the blue with pile drivers. --[[User:Lonegamer78|lonegamer78]] 17:03, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::If it helps, the trailer is also [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aAxxAJOMt8 here] - and as noted in the [[Talk:Slipstream_%28WFC%29|talk page]] for the new Slipstream, you can see what looks to be her running towards the camera at about 1:20-1:21 (just before it switches to Arcee). --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 19:25, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)

2010-05-05T23:27:08Z

Nerroth: /* New characters */

Why are we linking to the G1 characters? I thought this was supposed to be something new. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 04:10, 11 December 2009 (EST)

:There's really no way of knowing for sure until we have more information about the storyline and characters. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:20, 11 December 2009 (EST)
::I really, really doubt they won't be Primax characters, new continuity or not. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:50, 11 December 2009 (EST)
:::Agree that's that most likely the case. But I do sort of wonder if maybe this game is going to end up being some sort of prequel-y tie-in to the new cartoon/franchise that's coming. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:15, 11 December 2009 (EST)

== It does seem like a seperate continuity ==

I mean, seriously different. Should we ask Hasbro?
:Well, not sure about asking Hasbro, we'll know soon enough one way or the other. But IMO, bad information is worse than no information. Assuming that these guys are G1 is just that - an assumption. We should tread lightly. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:29, 11 December 2009 (EST)
::They use the G1 logo, Cybertron's from [[Alpha Centauri]], and the roster includes only G1 dudes. I'd say "assumption" isn't really strong enough of a word. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 11 December 2009 (EST)
:::I think we should wait for a confirmation that it's a G1 universe before making assumptions. The roster so far only includes G1 dudes. If we made that assumption, the movieverse would be part of G1 (early on only G1 based characters were announced. It could simply be like animated and it references things heavily. [[User:Eire]] 16.03 Dec 15 09 (OUTC)
:::The TFW2005 interview states it's "not connected to any particular generation" and that this will be the foundation for newer sub-franchises. That does indicate this isn't G1 but yet another continuity. [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] 16:31, 23 December 2009 (GMT)
::::It would certainly seem to. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:44, 23 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Alrighty. Hopefully at some point we'll have a good parenthetical for this new continuity ... family. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:46, 23 December 2009 (EST)
::::::How about "WFC"? [[User:ThiAthEhn]]
:::::::I agree. It has been stated in interviews that this is a new continuity and the character designs seem to be taking influence from a number of previous incarnations; mostly War Within, Transformers Animated and the live-action movies. It would be difficult to make the case that these are meant to be direct variations on the G1 characters. I second the idea of using "WFC" to classify them. [[User: Clifftothemax|Clifftothemax]] 10:17, 19 January 2010 (GMT)
:::::: This IS a diffrent continuity- IGN Preview "Freed from the constraints of a movie license, the new Transformers game lives within its own universe." The TWF2005 preview and interview, multiple times in Game Informer's articles and alot in the Podcast on the same site. It's just heavily inspired by G1. I didn't want to change anything because I don't want to start an edit war over this. [[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 17:23, 16 January 2010 (EST)
::::::: Something can still be a new universe while being part of an existing [[continuity family]]. [[Henkei! Henkei!]] was a new universe that was still G1, as was [[Classics (2006)|Classics]] and the IDW stuff. What's important to the wiki is whether this will be a new continuity family, not just strictly a new universe. New universes happen all the time. New continuity families are much more rare. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:37, 19 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::: The thing is, it is (and always has been) a bit of a subjective value judgement alot of the time. How much similarity to G1 do we need to make something definately G1? Or does it work the other way? How big a New Element (minicons, cyberkeys,) do we need to make it difinitively it's own ConFam? Authorial intent definately has to be part of it too. Anything that specifically calls itself G1 is obvious, and anything that seems to be trying to pick up the original G1 characters/situations themselves even if it's in new forms or directions, alla IDW (although even that can be tricky to judge, agaiin HOW MUCH change makes a break?)... When we have as little info as we do right now on WfC it's almost impossible to judge what it will become. Do we have an editorial policy (and if not should we?) saying "Something new that seems G1-ish IS, until we see differences enough to prove it's not," or vice-versa "anything new is to be considered it's own continuity until we've seen enough to feel if it's G1-continuity family?" A set plan either way might make these situations a bit less random in the future. Maybe?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 10:48, 19 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::lostcount: I would be ''highly'' surprised if WFC turns out to represent a whole new continuity family. We've already accepted too many retellings and revisions of G1 as being part of G1 for this one to fairly be split out, unless it has something that is an inescapable telltale mark of a separate confam, i.e. they're fighting for the Movie Allspark. "Its prehistory is very slightly different" will not be good enough, as is shown by the comfortable confam coexistence of FFOD, War Within, and Stormbringer. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 00:01, 21 January 2010 (EST)
:[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=66275 And the Club Magazine's leading questions] imply that this is indeed G1. Maybe even a previous G1. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:04, 25 January 2010 (EST)
By what you just showed, it'll be a part of the G1 Continuity family (I still question that its anything more than "influenced by it" I mean what constitutes a G1 Confam..yes IDW and Dreamwave are under it, but is the same true for an animated series? I mean honestly, If that were true, then Transformers Animated would be a part of the G1 Confam, and its not.) but shouldn't it have its own section near the bottom at some point, (for game, toys, series, etc.) sense apparently (and this is news to me) your link seems to state its based on its own upcoming series.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
EDIT: Sorry to be posting an additional edit: but I have a distinct feeling, and am going to risk being wrong to call it now: An upcoming comic-tie in to it that basically further stretches whether it should be its own Confam or not.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

== The New trailer ==

should we make a summary of the trailer?--[[User:Defect|Defect]] 14:25, 12 January 2010 (EST)
: The link to the trailer is probably enough. A play-by-play would be a bit excessive. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:27, 12 January 2010 (EST)
:: Isn't the point of our wiki to be excessive? --[[User:ThiAthEhn]]

== Logos ==

I'm guessing the answer is no, but have the developers released any images of the characters on a white background that we can use to make some logos for the Main Page? I know we're not sure who the characters ''are'' yet, but we can link them to the WFC page for now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:34, 13 January 2010 (EST)
: No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:13, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::Of course, the current logo doesn't look too bad on the main page.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:14, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::I think he means the center TFwiki one with the rotating characters. If we want to cut people out of screencaps with photoshop, we could probably add some WfC ones to the rotation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:21, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::::I cropped a WfC out of his concept art and inserted him into the rotation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:59, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::::Awesome! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:08, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::::::And a Megatron. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:10, 13 January 2010 (EST)

== Starscream? ==

Who says that '''black and grey''' seeker in the "Megatron and Starscream prepare for the ground assault" picture is Starscream? It's much more likely it's Skywarp.-[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 01:00, 26 January 2010 (EST)
: He has blue and red, though. It's just overwhelmed by the lighting. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:30, 24 January 2010 (EST)
::Plus, aside from the obvious color shadings (if you look), who are usually considered the three most popular Decepticons? Megatron, Soundwave and Starscream. It doesn't really make much sense for Skywarp to be along the line-up in Starscream's place. There IS another jet flying around the battle however. - [[User:Clifftothemax|Clifftothemax]] 14:38, 10 February 2010
Alright, my bad :( --[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 18:54, 10 February 2010 (EST)

== Toys Confirmed, mention here? ==

So we've had the existance of WfC toys confirmed by non-leeky sources (Game Informer, Fun pub) now my question is do they rate a mention here on this page. Generally they'd ust be mentioned on the character pages but this is pretty much the first time ever a TF Video game has gotten its own toys. Worth a Trivia entry? Or it's own sub-section? --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 11:52, 25 January 2010 (EST)
:We do need to start mentioning it as news becomes official, but it's not true that this is the only Transformers game that's had its own toys. Several of the designs from the both live-action film games had toys made of them, and a Decepticlone from the Armada video game got made into an Attactix figure. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:30, 25 January 2010 (EST)
:: Can we count on you for the photos? --[[User: ThiAthEhn|ThiAthEhn]]
::: What? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:15, 27 January 2010 (EST)

We have official stock photos for two toys now, that aren't from the club. Not sure where we want to put them.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:00, 27 January 2010 (EST)
: It would help if we knew the name of the toyline they were being featured in. For now, put them on this page, I think, just because we're building this article as an attraction. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:03, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::Done. --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:08, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::Is it just me or do those look like movie-ized versions of the Animated designs? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:39, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::: I'd say more "Classics-ized" versions of the Animated designs myself. Regardless yes it's pretty clear that the Animated, Movie, and Classics aesthetics all influenced their development, which makes sense, those being the last three main TF lines.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 10:43, 27 January 2010 (EST)

== Fresh trailer guys ==

http://kotaku.com/5480780/first-look-at-transformers-war-for-cybertron-gameplay-footage

Nothing spectacularly surprising, but looks quite awesome.

ThiAthEhn
: Yeah, uh, that's already in the article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:46, 26 February 2010 (EST)

Seriously? This one has actual gameplay, something I haven't seen in the other ones...
ThiAthEhn
: Third link in "external links" at the bottom, dude. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:08, 27 February 2010 (EST)

==Character Sources?==
I think it may be wise to put up the sources for each new character, or at least an image of them. Not all of us have the good fortune of reading Kotaku to know Grimlock is actually in the game. Just a suggestion, however. In a few months it won't matter anyway.[[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 20:39, 28 February 2010 (EST)
: For many characters, this isn't possible. For example, we know about the two Aerialbots from Toy Fair 2010, to which we we can't link because recording anything was forbidden. And an image of Grimlock is down in the gallery, so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:29, 28 February 2010 (EST)

==Release date==
Gamestop seems to think this game is coming out on June 22, not July 22 as this article states. They even guarantee its delivery on that date if you preorder! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:46, 2 March 2010 (EST)

== Motormaster ==

Here is a picture that maybe shows Motormaster in the Nintendo DS Version:
http://cache-10.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/500x_5231_02_0098_20100119-cli1.jpg

Also, on the tfw2005 board it has been statet that motormaster will be in the game.
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/293592-war-cybertron-kotaku-articles-ds-version-5.html
: I can take [[Marcelo Matere]]'s word on it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:01, 6 March 2010 (EST)

== Interview and more gameplay and footage ==

http://kotaku.com/5493784/building-the-ultimate-transformers-origin-story

Always possible that you've already seen it, but here it is, feel free to add.

-Aaron Archer

-It apparantly IS G1, not seperate.

-Scorponok (?) (!) boss battle?

-And much more...

ThiAthEhn

== No PSP option... ==

Has there been any word, in an interview or announcement, as to why no PSP version of the game has been announced (and may not be, for that matter)? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 00:28, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

== [edit] It does seem like a seperate continuity ==

I think its a "revised"
backstory on g1 before they crashed into Mt. St. Helens 4,000,000 years ago. [[User:LADIES MAN TOO-ONE-SEVEN|LADIES MAN TOO-ONE-SEVEN]] 15:55, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

== Voice actor thing ==

I find it hard to believe that if a site was playing April Fools on people, they wouldn't own up to the fact to tell people they got sucked in bad. Also, they posted it before April Fools and have subsequently removed all traces of the offending "false" information from the article. Anybody remember the kerfuffle over the 2008 reveal of The Fallen's role in ROTF? Same thing happened - articles swiftly edited to remove information the Bay deemed unfit for publication at the time. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:43, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
:The Activision folks also sent e-mails to Seibertron and TFormers, and Lonegamer says she actually spoke to an Activision rep on the phone on the Allspark's behalf.
:So... if it is a coverup, it's at least one that spreads beyond that one site. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:04, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
::Also, the ROTF 2008 cover up - we documented that information on the wiki for posterity. I take it we're not going to do the same for this event? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:08, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
:::That felt like a cover-up. See, that was about denying that a movie called REVENGE OF THE FALLEN was about a character called THE FALLEN. This doesn't feel like a cover-up to me. It feels like some video game site got their information off Wikipedia again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:24, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
::::Except that it's a rather large, detailed, substantial article that started with "AusGamers was recently invited out to High Moon Studios in San Diego" and "Some familiar voices were being thrown about the demo [insert voice actor information]". Unless the entire article is based on falsehoods and assumptions, they went up to High Moon Studios. They saw the game in action. They talked to the people who made it. Not "We made this shit up by piecing it together from things we heard online, especially Wikipedia." --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:25, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::The whole article reeked of Did Not Do The Research. Cullen's name was misspelled, they referred to Chris Latta's real name and stage name as separate people... So yeah, I'm going to go with "idiots" over "cover-up". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 07:26, 10 April 2010 (EDT)

== New Characters' pages? ==
VM: Would I ask why nearly all characters except Demolishor are linked to their G1 incarnation? Why not make a new one WfC?
: We're not exactly sure how WFC/Prime is going to play out continuity family-wise. Until then, it's safest to link to their G1 versions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:00, 8 April 2010 (EDT)
::VM: I see, but I think personally they should have their own, but its only my opinion :)

== Jazz? ==

The scout in the multiplayer traier looks alot like Jazz and when you hover over the pre-order button on thier website I am pretty sure its Jazz next to Shockwave

== Image Captions/Quotes ==

So for the 1986 Transformer movie, there were a bunch of quotes from Star Wars: A New Hope. Then for the 2007 movie, there were quotes from the 1986 movie. And for RotF, we did quotes from The Empire Strikes Back. I'm wondering if we should do quotes from the Halo series for the image captions for War for Cybertron. What do you think?

And in a somewhat related manner, I might have found what could possibly be the [http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp251/Darth_Shadow_91/warforcybertroncoverart.jpg boxart] for WfC. If we use it, I have a proposed quote.

''Men, keep your eyes downrange, fingers on the trigger, and we all come home in one piece. Am I right, Marines?''

Sgt. Avery Johnson, Halo: Combat Evolved

[[User:Darth Shadow 91|Darth Shadow 91]] 23:45, 29 April 2010 (EST)
:By that logic we could use Zelda or Mario quotes. Anyways, as always, unless there's some definite theme in the captions (Like Animated Wreck-Gar's page), no caption, or the caption is just a ''really'' bad joke, the captions are up to whoever adds the image.[[User:Monty Prime|Monty Prime]] 01:18, 30 April 2010 (EDT)

== New characters ==

Over [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/video-games-17/war-for-cybertron---tfw2005-visits-high-moon-studios--gameplay-impressions-169615/ here], it looks like Arcee, Slipstream, and some others are in the mix. --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 12:54, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:Those were supposed to be still under ''embargo''... -_-; --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:10, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:: Yeah, TFW doesn't really ''give a shit'' about your stupid informational release dates. They're too busy being BEST AND FIRST. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:28, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::: There's definitely an Arcee-mould character in the new Multiplayer trailer along with characters sharing moulds with Optimus Prime, Ratchet, Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave, so we can probably confirm that one. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:44, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Where the hell are people getting Rumble and Frenzy from? Also, since Slipstream only shows up in the "embargo" pics, should we even mention her at all, let alone give her an article? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:51, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Embargo's been lifted (I think). As for Frenzy and Rumble, one of the concept art shows two that resemble the Casseticons, especially the blue with pile drivers. --[[User:Lonegamer78|lonegamer78]] 17:03, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::If it helps, the trailer is also [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aAxxAJOMt8 here] - and as noted in the [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Slipstream_%28WFC%29|talk page]] for the new Slipstream, you can see what looks to be her running towards the camera at about 1:20-1:21 (just before it switches to Arcee). --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 19:25, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)

2010-05-05T23:25:12Z

Nerroth: /* New characters */

Why are we linking to the G1 characters? I thought this was supposed to be something new. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 04:10, 11 December 2009 (EST)

:There's really no way of knowing for sure until we have more information about the storyline and characters. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:20, 11 December 2009 (EST)
::I really, really doubt they won't be Primax characters, new continuity or not. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:50, 11 December 2009 (EST)
:::Agree that's that most likely the case. But I do sort of wonder if maybe this game is going to end up being some sort of prequel-y tie-in to the new cartoon/franchise that's coming. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:15, 11 December 2009 (EST)

== It does seem like a seperate continuity ==

I mean, seriously different. Should we ask Hasbro?
:Well, not sure about asking Hasbro, we'll know soon enough one way or the other. But IMO, bad information is worse than no information. Assuming that these guys are G1 is just that - an assumption. We should tread lightly. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:29, 11 December 2009 (EST)
::They use the G1 logo, Cybertron's from [[Alpha Centauri]], and the roster includes only G1 dudes. I'd say "assumption" isn't really strong enough of a word. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 11 December 2009 (EST)
:::I think we should wait for a confirmation that it's a G1 universe before making assumptions. The roster so far only includes G1 dudes. If we made that assumption, the movieverse would be part of G1 (early on only G1 based characters were announced. It could simply be like animated and it references things heavily. [[User:Eire]] 16.03 Dec 15 09 (OUTC)
:::The TFW2005 interview states it's "not connected to any particular generation" and that this will be the foundation for newer sub-franchises. That does indicate this isn't G1 but yet another continuity. [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] 16:31, 23 December 2009 (GMT)
::::It would certainly seem to. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:44, 23 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Alrighty. Hopefully at some point we'll have a good parenthetical for this new continuity ... family. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:46, 23 December 2009 (EST)
::::::How about "WFC"? [[User:ThiAthEhn]]
:::::::I agree. It has been stated in interviews that this is a new continuity and the character designs seem to be taking influence from a number of previous incarnations; mostly War Within, Transformers Animated and the live-action movies. It would be difficult to make the case that these are meant to be direct variations on the G1 characters. I second the idea of using "WFC" to classify them. [[User: Clifftothemax|Clifftothemax]] 10:17, 19 January 2010 (GMT)
:::::: This IS a diffrent continuity- IGN Preview "Freed from the constraints of a movie license, the new Transformers game lives within its own universe." The TWF2005 preview and interview, multiple times in Game Informer's articles and alot in the Podcast on the same site. It's just heavily inspired by G1. I didn't want to change anything because I don't want to start an edit war over this. [[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 17:23, 16 January 2010 (EST)
::::::: Something can still be a new universe while being part of an existing [[continuity family]]. [[Henkei! Henkei!]] was a new universe that was still G1, as was [[Classics (2006)|Classics]] and the IDW stuff. What's important to the wiki is whether this will be a new continuity family, not just strictly a new universe. New universes happen all the time. New continuity families are much more rare. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:37, 19 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::: The thing is, it is (and always has been) a bit of a subjective value judgement alot of the time. How much similarity to G1 do we need to make something definately G1? Or does it work the other way? How big a New Element (minicons, cyberkeys,) do we need to make it difinitively it's own ConFam? Authorial intent definately has to be part of it too. Anything that specifically calls itself G1 is obvious, and anything that seems to be trying to pick up the original G1 characters/situations themselves even if it's in new forms or directions, alla IDW (although even that can be tricky to judge, agaiin HOW MUCH change makes a break?)... When we have as little info as we do right now on WfC it's almost impossible to judge what it will become. Do we have an editorial policy (and if not should we?) saying "Something new that seems G1-ish IS, until we see differences enough to prove it's not," or vice-versa "anything new is to be considered it's own continuity until we've seen enough to feel if it's G1-continuity family?" A set plan either way might make these situations a bit less random in the future. Maybe?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 10:48, 19 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::lostcount: I would be ''highly'' surprised if WFC turns out to represent a whole new continuity family. We've already accepted too many retellings and revisions of G1 as being part of G1 for this one to fairly be split out, unless it has something that is an inescapable telltale mark of a separate confam, i.e. they're fighting for the Movie Allspark. "Its prehistory is very slightly different" will not be good enough, as is shown by the comfortable confam coexistence of FFOD, War Within, and Stormbringer. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 00:01, 21 January 2010 (EST)
:[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=66275 And the Club Magazine's leading questions] imply that this is indeed G1. Maybe even a previous G1. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:04, 25 January 2010 (EST)
By what you just showed, it'll be a part of the G1 Continuity family (I still question that its anything more than "influenced by it" I mean what constitutes a G1 Confam..yes IDW and Dreamwave are under it, but is the same true for an animated series? I mean honestly, If that were true, then Transformers Animated would be a part of the G1 Confam, and its not.) but shouldn't it have its own section near the bottom at some point, (for game, toys, series, etc.) sense apparently (and this is news to me) your link seems to state its based on its own upcoming series.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
EDIT: Sorry to be posting an additional edit: but I have a distinct feeling, and am going to risk being wrong to call it now: An upcoming comic-tie in to it that basically further stretches whether it should be its own Confam or not.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

== The New trailer ==

should we make a summary of the trailer?--[[User:Defect|Defect]] 14:25, 12 January 2010 (EST)
: The link to the trailer is probably enough. A play-by-play would be a bit excessive. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:27, 12 January 2010 (EST)
:: Isn't the point of our wiki to be excessive? --[[User:ThiAthEhn]]

== Logos ==

I'm guessing the answer is no, but have the developers released any images of the characters on a white background that we can use to make some logos for the Main Page? I know we're not sure who the characters ''are'' yet, but we can link them to the WFC page for now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:34, 13 January 2010 (EST)
: No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:13, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::Of course, the current logo doesn't look too bad on the main page.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:14, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::I think he means the center TFwiki one with the rotating characters. If we want to cut people out of screencaps with photoshop, we could probably add some WfC ones to the rotation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:21, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::::I cropped a WfC out of his concept art and inserted him into the rotation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:59, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::::Awesome! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:08, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::::::And a Megatron. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:10, 13 January 2010 (EST)

== Starscream? ==

Who says that '''black and grey''' seeker in the "Megatron and Starscream prepare for the ground assault" picture is Starscream? It's much more likely it's Skywarp.-[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 01:00, 26 January 2010 (EST)
: He has blue and red, though. It's just overwhelmed by the lighting. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:30, 24 January 2010 (EST)
::Plus, aside from the obvious color shadings (if you look), who are usually considered the three most popular Decepticons? Megatron, Soundwave and Starscream. It doesn't really make much sense for Skywarp to be along the line-up in Starscream's place. There IS another jet flying around the battle however. - [[User:Clifftothemax|Clifftothemax]] 14:38, 10 February 2010
Alright, my bad :( --[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 18:54, 10 February 2010 (EST)

== Toys Confirmed, mention here? ==

So we've had the existance of WfC toys confirmed by non-leeky sources (Game Informer, Fun pub) now my question is do they rate a mention here on this page. Generally they'd ust be mentioned on the character pages but this is pretty much the first time ever a TF Video game has gotten its own toys. Worth a Trivia entry? Or it's own sub-section? --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 11:52, 25 January 2010 (EST)
:We do need to start mentioning it as news becomes official, but it's not true that this is the only Transformers game that's had its own toys. Several of the designs from the both live-action film games had toys made of them, and a Decepticlone from the Armada video game got made into an Attactix figure. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:30, 25 January 2010 (EST)
:: Can we count on you for the photos? --[[User: ThiAthEhn|ThiAthEhn]]
::: What? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:15, 27 January 2010 (EST)

We have official stock photos for two toys now, that aren't from the club. Not sure where we want to put them.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:00, 27 January 2010 (EST)
: It would help if we knew the name of the toyline they were being featured in. For now, put them on this page, I think, just because we're building this article as an attraction. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:03, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::Done. --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:08, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::Is it just me or do those look like movie-ized versions of the Animated designs? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:39, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::: I'd say more "Classics-ized" versions of the Animated designs myself. Regardless yes it's pretty clear that the Animated, Movie, and Classics aesthetics all influenced their development, which makes sense, those being the last three main TF lines.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 10:43, 27 January 2010 (EST)

== Fresh trailer guys ==

http://kotaku.com/5480780/first-look-at-transformers-war-for-cybertron-gameplay-footage

Nothing spectacularly surprising, but looks quite awesome.

ThiAthEhn
: Yeah, uh, that's already in the article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:46, 26 February 2010 (EST)

Seriously? This one has actual gameplay, something I haven't seen in the other ones...
ThiAthEhn
: Third link in "external links" at the bottom, dude. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:08, 27 February 2010 (EST)

==Character Sources?==
I think it may be wise to put up the sources for each new character, or at least an image of them. Not all of us have the good fortune of reading Kotaku to know Grimlock is actually in the game. Just a suggestion, however. In a few months it won't matter anyway.[[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 20:39, 28 February 2010 (EST)
: For many characters, this isn't possible. For example, we know about the two Aerialbots from Toy Fair 2010, to which we we can't link because recording anything was forbidden. And an image of Grimlock is down in the gallery, so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:29, 28 February 2010 (EST)

==Release date==
Gamestop seems to think this game is coming out on June 22, not July 22 as this article states. They even guarantee its delivery on that date if you preorder! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:46, 2 March 2010 (EST)

== Motormaster ==

Here is a picture that maybe shows Motormaster in the Nintendo DS Version:
http://cache-10.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/500x_5231_02_0098_20100119-cli1.jpg

Also, on the tfw2005 board it has been statet that motormaster will be in the game.
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/293592-war-cybertron-kotaku-articles-ds-version-5.html
: I can take [[Marcelo Matere]]'s word on it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:01, 6 March 2010 (EST)

== Interview and more gameplay and footage ==

http://kotaku.com/5493784/building-the-ultimate-transformers-origin-story

Always possible that you've already seen it, but here it is, feel free to add.

-Aaron Archer

-It apparantly IS G1, not seperate.

-Scorponok (?) (!) boss battle?

-And much more...

ThiAthEhn

== No PSP option... ==

Has there been any word, in an interview or announcement, as to why no PSP version of the game has been announced (and may not be, for that matter)? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 00:28, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

== [edit] It does seem like a seperate continuity ==

I think its a "revised"
backstory on g1 before they crashed into Mt. St. Helens 4,000,000 years ago. [[User:LADIES MAN TOO-ONE-SEVEN|LADIES MAN TOO-ONE-SEVEN]] 15:55, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

== Voice actor thing ==

I find it hard to believe that if a site was playing April Fools on people, they wouldn't own up to the fact to tell people they got sucked in bad. Also, they posted it before April Fools and have subsequently removed all traces of the offending "false" information from the article. Anybody remember the kerfuffle over the 2008 reveal of The Fallen's role in ROTF? Same thing happened - articles swiftly edited to remove information the Bay deemed unfit for publication at the time. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:43, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
:The Activision folks also sent e-mails to Seibertron and TFormers, and Lonegamer says she actually spoke to an Activision rep on the phone on the Allspark's behalf.
:So... if it is a coverup, it's at least one that spreads beyond that one site. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:04, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
::Also, the ROTF 2008 cover up - we documented that information on the wiki for posterity. I take it we're not going to do the same for this event? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:08, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
:::That felt like a cover-up. See, that was about denying that a movie called REVENGE OF THE FALLEN was about a character called THE FALLEN. This doesn't feel like a cover-up to me. It feels like some video game site got their information off Wikipedia again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:24, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
::::Except that it's a rather large, detailed, substantial article that started with "AusGamers was recently invited out to High Moon Studios in San Diego" and "Some familiar voices were being thrown about the demo [insert voice actor information]". Unless the entire article is based on falsehoods and assumptions, they went up to High Moon Studios. They saw the game in action. They talked to the people who made it. Not "We made this shit up by piecing it together from things we heard online, especially Wikipedia." --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:25, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::The whole article reeked of Did Not Do The Research. Cullen's name was misspelled, they referred to Chris Latta's real name and stage name as separate people... So yeah, I'm going to go with "idiots" over "cover-up". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 07:26, 10 April 2010 (EDT)

== New Characters' pages? ==
VM: Would I ask why nearly all characters except Demolishor are linked to their G1 incarnation? Why not make a new one WfC?
: We're not exactly sure how WFC/Prime is going to play out continuity family-wise. Until then, it's safest to link to their G1 versions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:00, 8 April 2010 (EDT)
::VM: I see, but I think personally they should have their own, but its only my opinion :)

== Jazz? ==

The scout in the multiplayer traier looks alot like Jazz and when you hover over the pre-order button on thier website I am pretty sure its Jazz next to Shockwave

== Image Captions/Quotes ==

So for the 1986 Transformer movie, there were a bunch of quotes from Star Wars: A New Hope. Then for the 2007 movie, there were quotes from the 1986 movie. And for RotF, we did quotes from The Empire Strikes Back. I'm wondering if we should do quotes from the Halo series for the image captions for War for Cybertron. What do you think?

And in a somewhat related manner, I might have found what could possibly be the [http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp251/Darth_Shadow_91/warforcybertroncoverart.jpg boxart] for WfC. If we use it, I have a proposed quote.

''Men, keep your eyes downrange, fingers on the trigger, and we all come home in one piece. Am I right, Marines?''

Sgt. Avery Johnson, Halo: Combat Evolved

[[User:Darth Shadow 91|Darth Shadow 91]] 23:45, 29 April 2010 (EST)
:By that logic we could use Zelda or Mario quotes. Anyways, as always, unless there's some definite theme in the captions (Like Animated Wreck-Gar's page), no caption, or the caption is just a ''really'' bad joke, the captions are up to whoever adds the image.[[User:Monty Prime|Monty Prime]] 01:18, 30 April 2010 (EDT)

== New characters ==

Over [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/video-games-17/war-for-cybertron---tfw2005-visits-high-moon-studios--gameplay-impressions-169615/ here], it looks like Arcee, Slipstream, and some others are in the mix. --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 12:54, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:Those were supposed to be still under ''embargo''... -_-; --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:10, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:: Yeah, TFW doesn't really ''give a shit'' about your stupid informational release dates. They're too busy being BEST AND FIRST. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:28, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::: There's definitely an Arcee-mould character in the new Multiplayer trailer along with characters sharing moulds with Optimus Prime, Ratchet, Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave, so we can probably confirm that one. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:44, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Where the hell are people getting Rumble and Frenzy from? Also, since Slipstream only shows up in the "embargo" pics, should we even mention her at all, let alone give her an article? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:51, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Embargo's been lifted (I think). As for Frenzy and Rumble, one of the concept art shows two that resemble the Casseticons, especially the blue with pile drivers. --[[User:Lonegamer78|lonegamer78]] 17:03, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::If it helps, the trailer is also [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aAxxAJOMt8 here] - and as noted in the talk page for the new Slipstream, you can see what looks to be her running towards the camera at about 1:20-1:21 (just before it switches to Arcee). --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 19:25, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Slipstream (WFC)

2010-05-05T23:22:50Z

Nerroth:

This should probably be sourced.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 17:56, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:TFW2005's report had concept art of a girl jet, with the name blurred out. That's about it. This same bunch of concept art shows Barricade and Breakdown using the same basic body model (something that the final renders show as untrue), so I really don't know how trustworthy it can be. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:16, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::And according to Powered Convoy, [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=69050&view=findpost&p=1525607 only game screenshots are supposed to be officially released], which means she'd be part of unofficial, leaked information. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:26, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::::At about 1:20-1:21 in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aAxxAJOMt8 this video], just before they show Arcee, you can see what looks like Slipstream running and firing some sort of gun. --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 19:22, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)

2010-05-05T16:54:28Z

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Talk:Transformers Evo.

2010-04-26T03:35:54Z

Nerroth: /* Praise Be to Decepticon */

What this page needs is the big character group shot of the cast from the very end of the intro. I have one but it is very low resolution. If anyone can get one that would be about the size of a desktop background that would be awesome {{unsigned|149.149.200.14}} 22:38, 6 April 2010 (EDT)

== Full version ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9n38qDync8 for your romanizing and translating pleasure, folks! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:18, 20 April 2010 (EDT)
:Dang it, I got auto-signed out while I was putting in the rest of the lyrics. Anyway, the actual lyrics may use English instead of katakana and/or nonstandard kanji readings, so corrections may follow once I or someone else gets hold of the official CD/lyrics sheet.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:42, 20 April 2010 (EDT)
::[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/301352-jam-project-transformers-evo-cd-release.html Official CD/Lyrics], you say? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 17:04, 21 April 2010 (EDT)
:::Don't suppose those could be put somewhere I don't have to join and log in to view?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 12:39, 23 April 2010 (EDT)
::::[http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5231/tfevolyrics.jpg Lyrics] from the scan I saved. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:44, 23 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::Hm. Got closer than I thought. Neat.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:01, 23 April 2010 (EDT)

== [something] Decepticon ==

Is he really saying 'to be a Decepticon', as stated on the page? I heard it as 'defeat Decepticon', but it's not all that clear for me... --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 18:17, 21 April 2010 (EDT)

== Praise Be to Decepticon ==
http://www.kasi-time.com/item-47495.html looks like it may be the lyrics for the second song on the single, but I'm a weeaboo and my Japanese is limited to less than a dozen characters, and some words I recognize only in romaji. Can anyone with a working understanding of the language confirm or deny this? -- [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 22:49, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
:Kind of hard considering there's not really any place to listen to the song, presently. Only EVO made it to Youtube. The lyrics seem authentic enough though. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:09, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, they're the same as the lyrics printed in the CD booklet that Nerroth linked to earlier (though maybe not exactly the same, I only checked a couple of lines). - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 23:25, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
:::They're the same. And tell me I'm not the only one to realize that the English paragraphs is actually Optimus' opening lines from the 2007 film truncated. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:48, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
::::Apart from the typos, that is. And I knew that I recognised that speech from somewhere, but I'm really not a fan of the live-action series (so far, at least). - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 19:17, 23 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::I gotta ask, do the actual booklet lyrics say "Someone wanted it for good, others for evil", or does it use the proper "Some wanted it for good"? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:48, 25 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::[http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5231/tfevolyrics.jpg "Someone wanted it for good".] --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:11, 25 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>facepalm* --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:47, 25 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::::"And the All spark was lost to the far reaches to the space"... --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 23:35, 25 April 2010 (EDT)

User talk:Nerroth

2010-04-25T03:36:35Z

Nerroth: /* Transformers Evo. */

== Transformers Evo. ==
Echoing this here so you'll see a notification, since you may or may not check the article Talk page itself. I don't suppose those images could be put somewhere I don't have to join and log in to view?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 12:41, 23 April 2010 (EDT)
:Looks like Lonegamer78 beat me to it! --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 23:36, 24 April 2010 (EDT)

User talk:Nerroth

2010-04-25T03:36:05Z

Nerroth: /* Transformers Evo. */

== Transformers Evo. ==
Echoing this here so you'll see a notification, since you may or may not check the article Talk page itself. I don't suppose those images could be put somewhere I don't have to join and log in to view?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 12:41, 23 April 2010 (EDT)
:Looks like lonegamer78 beat me to it! --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 23:36, 24 April 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Laserbeak (Animated)

2010-04-23T01:19:27Z

Nerroth: /* Laserbeak and Optimus */ new section

==Small and Evil==
Is Lazerbeak, that 'evil toy' from episode 'Sound and Fury'?

:No, Soundwave is. Laserbeak doesn't actually exist in the cartoon. Not yet, anyway.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 01:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

== Intro info ==

Where does some of the info in his and [[Ratbat (Animated)|Ratbat]]'s intro come from? Non-sentient? Likely sparkless? We don't really know that much about them or where they came from, do we? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:43, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

== He wasn't destroyed. ==

Ratbat has red and black bits on him as well, and there really doesn't seem to be any evidence Laserbeak himself was smashed by Prime. I've rewatched it a few times.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:20, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

: Huh, looks like you're right. Guess the similar Ratbat parts were playing tricks on my eyes. My bad! --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] 14:27, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

Ahem.

[[Image:Laserbreak.jpg]]

[[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:55, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
:Those are Ratbat's frets.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:15, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
::...plus didn't Laserbeak clearly swoop down and grab Soundwave away? Why is there any doubt here? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:18, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
:::... are you guys seriously telling you me you're not seeing the huge, jagged break at the end of the chunk of Laserbeak that's stuck into Soundwave? The guitar "neck" is broken off. Circled for emphasis! (And Walky, we're determined the presence or not of an error.) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:20, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

== Laserbeak and Optimus ==

Can any of the Earth mode Optimus Prime toys in the ''Animated'' line hold the guitar form of Laserbeak, and look like he's playing him the way he does in the show? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 21:19, 22 April 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Drift (G1)

2010-04-22T21:01:41Z

Nerroth: /* Sword squiggles */

Talk:Drift (G1)

2010-04-22T20:51:48Z

Nerroth: /* Sword squiggles */

Talk:Drift (G1)

2010-04-22T20:51:03Z

Nerroth: /* Sword squiggles */

Talk:Transformers Evo.

2010-04-21T22:17:05Z

Nerroth: /* [something] Decepticon */ new section

Talk:Transformers Evo.

2010-04-21T21:04:28Z

Nerroth: /* Full version */

Bludgeon (G1)

2010-03-26T19:21:49Z

Nerroth: /* Notes */

{{factions|decepticon|decepticong2|unicron}}
{{disambig3|Bludgeon}}
{{featured}}
:''Bludgeon is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:MarvelUK-282.jpg|right|300px|thumb|This is pretty much the most metal cover in TF history.]]

'''Bludgeon''' is a ferocious warrior, skilled in the ancient Cybertronian martial art of [[Metallikato]]. He and his blade can cut through the battlefield as if everyone else is operating at a minimal speed setting. Bludgeon's feats in battle seem nearly supernatural, which is probably the effect he's going for, if he doesn't believe his own hype. Utterly vicious and aloof, Bludgeon is also highly religious, adhering to an arcane code of honor. Though his beliefs fuel his single-minded bloodthirstiness with dogmatic precision, they also cause him to be rather superstitious.

Bludgeon's confidence, skill, and grand words have often catapulted him to the upper ranks of the Decepticons. Who wouldn't fall in line behind him? He's charismatic! The [[Mayhem Attack Squad]] is his usual host of cronies, but he's also been known to fill in as [[Decepticon leader]] if a power vacuum presents itself.

Bludgeon is (obviously) a [[Pretender]] who has adopted a shell which takes the appearance of a skeletal samurai. His signature weapon is an energo-sword, though he also carries a shield and an electric cannon. In accordance with his martial arts motif, generators in his shell's legs can create disorienting clouds of smoke, and he can generate electric fireballs from the torso of either his body or his shell. <ref>Bludgeon's [[More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|More Than Meets The Eye]] profile says the electric fireballs are fired from either of his torsos. His original toy bio said they're fired from between his shell's antennas.</ref> It is unknown whether Bludgeon is any less agile or capable in his blocky robot mode, but it wouldn't be surprising.

{{bigquote|Prattling fool! Your warrior heart is tainted by an idiot's tongue! Perhaps I shall remove '''both''' for you!|Bludgeon takes on [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]|"[[Primal Scream (issue)|Primal Scream]]"}}

:''French-Canadian name:'' '''Gourdin''' ("Club", as in the beat-you-up-with kind)
:''Italian name:'' '''Teskior'''

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{noteukonly}}
[[Image:Bludgeonasavageplace.jpg|left|250px|thumb|The shoulder is a well-known Transformer instant-death spot.]]
''When Decepticons [[Catilla]] and [[Carnivac (G1)|Carnivac]] defected to the [[Autobot|Autobots]], a new Mayhem Attack Squad was formed which included Bludgeon, his Pretender cohorts Stranglehold and Octopunch, [[Needlenose]], [[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]], and [[Snarler]]. After a mission simulation of [[Slaughter City]], their prey was authorized -- they would hunt down and kill Catilla, Carnivac, and their new [[Wrecker|Wreckers]] friends. {{storylink|The Hunting Party}} They found Carnivac outside Dallas, Texas, and Bludgeon, promising him a warrior's death, led the charge. {{storylink|Way of the Warrior}} However, Carnivac escaped Bludgeon and the other Mayhems, {{storylink|Survival Run}} but tracked him down to [[Los Gravos]], [[Mexico]]. Bludgeon fought Carnivac, and [[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]] was about to deal the killing blow, when Catilla rescued him. However, Bludgeon threw his sword into Catilla, killing Carnivac's savior. As the rest of the Autobots arrived, Bludgeon ordered a withdrawal. Carnivac swore that Bludgeon and the other Mayhems would pay. {{storylink|A Savage Place!}} ''

[[Image:Bludgeonstrangleholdoctopunchmodelsheet.jpg|right|200px|thumb|The colorist made me look hunchbacked.]]
He later took on the leadership of [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]'s new [[Mayhem Attack Squad]], sent to slay the newly-resurrected [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]], [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]. Alongside the [[Rescue Patrol]], the [[Classic Pretender|Classic Pretenders]] were due to be teleported to [[Earth]], an operation Bludgeon attempted to interrupt by shoving his blade through the transportation machine. Instead, he and the Mayhems were transported with the Autobots to the center of Cybertron. {{storylink|Yesterday's Heroes!}} Here, the Mayhems were foiled, although they inadvertently awakened the slumbering [[Primus]] in the process. Ultimately, the transportation was completed, and they were sent to Earth along with the Autobots, {{storylink|Primal Scream (issue)|Primal Scream}} where they told [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] of Unicron's coming and joined his Decepticons on Earth. When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] surrendered his Autobots to Scorponok in order to facilitate an alliance against Unicron, Bludgeon helped the other Decepticons imprison the surrendered Autobots. {{storylink|Surrender!}}

Bludgeon was seen fighting on Scorponok's side during the subsequent Decepticon Civil War {{storylink|...All This and Civil War 2}} and was transported with all of them to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] by [[Primus]]. Primus (speaking through the body of [[Emirate Xaaron]]) told them of the history between himself and Unicron, while Bludgeon cleaned his sword. He was there also to quell the sudden [[Unicron cultist]] uprising, remarking that to a master of [[Metallikato]], their moves were like slow motion. {{storylink|The Void! (US)|The Void!}} When Unicron himself arrived, though, the superstitious Bludgeon ran like hell. {{storylink|On the Edge of Extinction!}} Thankfully, Optimus Prime's sacrifice saved them all, and Bludgeon was there standing over Prime's body with a few others as he died. The Autobot/Decepticon alliance that emerged was shaky and the Decepticons leaderless, so Bludgeon and [[Krok (G1)|Krok]] discussed a plan of their own. {{storylink|Still Life!}}

[[Image:Bludgeonlastautobot.jpg|left|250px|thumb|It's a good thing the Battlechargers were dead then, or Bludgeon's shell would've been totally ganked.]]
Tensions came to a head when [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] discovered that Cybertron was tearing itself apart in the aftermath of the Transformers' victory against Unicron. While Bludgeon openly kept the peace (like keeping [[Fangry]] in line at meetings), he and Krok began to worry that some of the Decepticons were in ''favour'' of peaceful alliance and plotted to break it up. New Autobot leader [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] almost gave them an opening by beating the tar out of Fangry, until [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] stopped the fight; Bludgeon quickly exploited the situation anyway, demanding the full details of the Autobots' plans.

Now knowing they intended to start anew on another planet and live in peace, he sabotaged the Autobot ships and assumed command of the Decepticons. He gave the troops a rousing speech, condemning the Autobot plan as weak and advocating a return to conquest as was the Decepticon way. Having risen from the ranks to light their darkest hour, he was cheered on by the Decepticons. {{storylink|Exodus!}}

[[Image:Bludgeon-youlie1.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Look at him go. What a skeleton!]]
With his Decepticons eager for conquest, Bludgeon randomly selected the planet of [[Klo]] as their first target. {{storylink|A Savage Circle}} The peaceful inhabitants of Klo were easily (and violently) subdued, and Bludgeon thought this planet did not meet the challenges befitting their warrior race. In turn, Krok pleased him with news that their ships were bugged and that they should be expecting the Autobots to be arriving soon. {{storylink|The Last Autobot?}}

Indeed, when the Autobots arrived, Bludgeon's Decepticons were ready for them, luring them into an ambush—only five Autobots escaped their purge, and Bludgeon sent a small hunting party after them. Ultimate victory was snatched from Bludgeon only by divine intervention. The [[Last Autobot]] arrived with a resurrected Optimus Prime and the [[Neo-Knights]]. Bludgeon rejected this development on religious grounds; the Last Autobot, according to his beliefs, was the Ultimate Warrior, who was bent on conquest. He ordered his troops to attack the "unbelievers". Ultimately, the Decepticons were defeated. The Last Autobot was able to revive the fallen Autobots at will, and Bludgeon was forced to admit defeat and withdraw. As he and the Decepticons retreated, he promised a "solitary exile" to the Autobots—while saying something else to his subordinates. {{storylink|End of the Road! (US)|End of the Road!}}
{{-}}

=====Marvel UK future timelines=====
[[Image:Aspects of evil bludgeon.jpg|left|75px|thumb|GIVE ME YOUR THROAT.]]
''In an alternate 1990, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] was captured by the Decepticons and freed by an agent placed within the Decepticons. [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] accused Bludgeon of being the culprit, and Bludgeon demanded the chance to prove himself through trial by combat. He was released and chased by [[Octopunch]], [[Stranglehold]] and [[Warmonger]]. Bludgeon easily dispatched the former two but was caught from behind by Warmonger, who couldn't bring himself to kill in cold blood. Realizing who the infiltrator was, Megatron destroyed Warmonger, then reflected that it would have simply been easier to kill all four of them. {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!}}''

{{note|The above story is the earliest known account from the Marvel UK alternate "Movie" timeline. The split between the main comic and the future stories almost certainly took place in 1989, either due to the Time Wars, the events of [[Primal Scream (issue)|Primal Scream]] where Primus alerted Unicron to his location 15 years early, or both.}}
{{-}}

=====Earthforce=====
{{earthforcefiction}}
[[Image:UKBludgeonEarthForce.jpg|right|180px|thumb|There wolf!]]
''Following Catilla's death, the Mayhems set up a base on a deserted island, where Needlenose decided to test their response time in an emergency. Enraged, Bludgeon threatened to tear him apart, but was stopped by Snarler. As Needlenose returned to his quarters, he was ambushed by Carnivac, who had snuck in during the chaos caused by his "drill". His calls for help were ignored by Snarler and Bludgeon. {{storylink|Cry Wolf!}} Carnivac decided to pick off Bludgeon next, finding him meditating. Bludgeon sensed him coming and took him on, and the other Mayhems responded to the commotion. Bludgeon wanted to finish this traitor with his blade as well, but Spinister decided to end it summarily by slagging Carnivac with his blaster instead. {{storylink|Wolf in the Fold!}} Angry at losing his kill, Bludgeon was pleased to find [[Earthforce]] attacking them, in an attempt to rescue Carnivac. He and his fellow Pretenders were defeated, outnumbered by the Autobots. But before they could be executed, a shell-less Carnivac appeared and told the Autobots to spare them, denying them a warrior's death. {{storylink|Where Wolf?}}''

''Captives of Earthforce, Bludgeon and his Pretender partners were held in a cell together. To get free, Bludgeon arranged a most subtle escape attempt with his cell mates. At first, they all remained completely silent for an extended period of time, partly to unnerve their guard, [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]], but also to give Bludgeon time to make mental contact with his katana, locked away in the property vault. Once he found the weapon and began summoning it back to him through the hallways, Bludgeon signaled Stranglehold to begin pounding frantically on the floor. This sudden activity spooked Inferno into opening the cell door to pacify the prisoner, only to wind up with a floating sword in his backside. The Pretenders then simply walked out over his leaking body. {{storylink|Shut Up!}}''

''Afterwards, Bludgeon and the others hooked up with Megatron and Shockwave, the deposed leaders of the Decepticons, and took on a bounty to assassinate their betrayers, Starscream and Soundwave. {{storylink|External Forces!}} The assassins outnumbered their prey, but they hadn't counted on the Autobots intervening on Starscream's behalf. It seemed the Dinobot [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] was dying, and could only be saved by a systems boost from a compatible Transformer, namely Starscream. [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] and [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] joined the fight on Starscream's side, and the Mayhems were defeated. {{storylink|The Lesser Evil}}''

=====''Another Time and Place''=====
[[Image:BludgeonStrangleholdOctopunch-AnotherTimeAndPlace.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Bludgeon: All skeleton, no spine.]]
After the defeat on Klo, Bludgeon decided the Decepticons needed some "old blood" back in charge. He traveled to Earth and retrieved the deactivated body of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] from the wreckage of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. Then, he seized upon an opportunity to follow Grimlock and the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] to [[Hydrus Four]], the source of the miraculous energy known as [[Nucleon]] which had supercharged the Dinobot commander. Slipping ahead of the Dinobots as they made their way to the medical facility, Bludgeon and his Decepticons set up a [[Holocaust Trigger]] to trap the Dinobots, disabling them without firing a shot. Unfortunately for Bludgeon, he ignored [[Fangry]]'s cries of "Let's just kill them already!" and gave in to his inner Bond villain, keeping Grimlock and the Dinobots alive long enough for them to witness the triumphant resurrection of Megatron. That didn't mean, however, that he kept his fellow Decepticons from aggressively torturing their fallen captives.

In a matter of hours, a full scale Autobot strike force had tracked the Dinobots down to Hydrus Four and assaulted Bludgeon's position. Fearing his rag-tag team of Decepticons wouldn't be enough, Bludgeon accelerated Megatron's revival, sending the half-mad, half-living monstrosity at Optimus Prime. He had no time to gloat, though -- the heavily-injured Dinobot known as [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] had dragged himself to the control module for one of the medical machines in the area, setting its spidery arms to work on Bludgeon, disassembling him in seconds down to his core components.

Bludgeon didn't even have time to scream. {{storylink|Another Time and Place}}
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====''Generation 2''====
{{note| The ''Generation 2'' stories take place after the end of the original Marvel Comic, but in a [[splinter timeline]] that does not include the events of ''Another Time and Place''.}}
[[Image:Bludgeontalesofearth.jpg|200px|thumb|G2, home of New Extreme Weapons.]]
By "solitary exile", what Bludgeon had actually meant was "build a slag-off big planet-like spacecraft called the [[Warworld]] and attack vessels for their cargo across the galaxy". {{storylink|Primal Fear!}} He also battled Optimus Prime and the Autobots over a store of ancient alien weapons, but an [[Guardian (G2)|alien entity]] drove him off. {{storylink|Ghosts}} After that, he went back to stealing resources—and finished the construction of a new generation of Decepticon warriors, who just needed the Matrix to come back to life. That meant luring Prime away from the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]] and to him... {{storylink|Primal Fear!}}

[[Image:Bludgeon-PowerAndTheGlory.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Also, so very much less.]]

To lure Prime out, Bludgeon launched a full-scale attack on Earth and did succeed in drawing Optimus Prime to Earth's defense, but not before Bludgeon was confronted by the newly-rebuilt [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], who wanted command of the Decepticons for himself once more. {{storylink|Devices and Desires! (Marvel)|Devices and Desires!}} Bludgeon destroyed Megatron's gun with one swipe of his blade, but neglected to realize how enhanced the new Megatron was -- the former Decepticon leader ripped Bludgeon's Pretender skull off with one hand. Undaunted, Bludgeon proclaimed himself an agent of chaos and transformed into his little-used tank mode to confront Megatron on his own terms. He briefly drove back Megatron, but ultimately the Decepticons' founder proved to be too much for their current leader, and his new railgun destroyed Bludgeon utterly. {{storylink|The Power and the Glory}}

The victorious Decepticon leader subsequently displayed Bludgeon's severed head in the Warworld, though he did muse that he might have spared Bludgeon's life if he'd known how much the guy had achieved and envisioned with limited time and resources. {{storylink|The Gathering Darkness}} Later on, the Decepticons would try not to say the word "bludgeon" around Megatron (even with the "to hit things" meaning) just in case it annoyed him. {{storylink|New Dawn}}
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====''Generation 2'' (Fleetway)====
[[Image:Bludgeon-WarWithoutEndUK.jpg|thumb|150px|thumb|[[Robin Smith]], copying a [[character model]] pose??? [[Ravage (G1)|Never!]]]]
Intending to draw out Autobots to Earth and steal the Matrix to bring a new generation of Decepticons to life, Bludgeon attacked Earth in force—specifically [[London]]. Unfortunately for him, the Autobots were already there, and attacked just as his troops were low on fuel. Bludgeon fought Optimus in direct combat and lost. {{storylink|War Without End (issue)|War Without End}}

He sneaked away to try the exact same tactic again—and learned if at first you don't succeed, Try #2 will get you killed by Megatron. {{storylink|The Power and the Glory}}
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====''Classics''====
{{note| The ''Classics'' stories take place after the end of the original Marvel Comic, but in a [[splinter timeline]] that does not include the events of the Marvel UK-exclusive stories or Generation 2.}}
Optimus Prime was reluctant to prolong the war by following Bludgeon and his followers across the galaxy, but [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] was more than happy to. Grimlock, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], and a crew of others searched and fought Bludgeon's Decepticons in the fringes of known space, but to no known resolution. At some point the mysterious Decepticon, [[Bug Bite (G1)|Bug Bite]], joined Bludgeon's Decepticons, and Bludgeon put him in charge of his own subgroup. {{storylink|Games of Deception}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' comics continuity===
[[Image:WarWithin_Escalation_Bludgeons_vision.jpg|thumb|left|250px|EPIC FORESHADOWING.]]

During the so-called "[[War Within: The Dark Ages|Dark Ages]]" of the Autobot-Decepticon conflict, Bludgeon, alongside [[Bugly]] and [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]], formed the [[Chaos Trinity]], a group that sought to harness the dark forces of the universe and use them to their advantage. During one of their ceremonies in the [[Orbital Torus State]] of [[Kalis]], they were interrupted by the mysterious being known as [[The Fallen]], who applauded their amateur theatrics while mocking the lack substance behind their words. He offered them [[Furmanism|power beyond measure]] in exchange for their servitude, a proposal that Bludgeon at first boldly refused, then agreed to once The Fallen changed the term for which they would be referred to. The Fallen tasked his new "disciples" with capturing a number of Transformers in order to perform a bizarre ceremony called The [[Unbinding]] in [[Well of All Sparks|Cybertron's core]]. {{storylink|Fragmentation}} Soon, Bludgeon began to chafe at being ordered around without any tangible reward, so The Fallen gave him a glimpse of the dark power, ensuring the Decepticon's loyalty. While the [[Wrecker]]s and [[Ultracon]]s busied themselves with their civil war, unaware of the events unfolding, Bludgeon formulated a strategy to capture two of their targets: the Trinity would would exploit [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s twisted sense of justice and have him deliver himself and [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] into their trap. {{storylink|Escalation (Dreamwave)|Escalation}}

When Jetfire met with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] in the [[Neutral Territories]] to discuss their suspicions about an outside force influencing the current conflict, the Trinity sprung their trap, attacking the Decepticon Commander. Bludgeon declared that once he would have never dared face Shockwave in battle, but he had been given new insights into the [[dark science]] and his ability to see the bigger picture, the latter no longer stood a chance. Once Shockwave was taken care of, the Trinity captured Jetfire, but noticed that Grimlock hadn't taken the bait of Jetfire's supposed treachery. As they prepared to leave, Grimlock jumped them, forcing The Fallen to step in. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}}

[[Image:WarWithin_Confrontation_BludgeonBlades.jpg|thumb|400px|And you call yourself 'Blades'? You don't even have a blade!]]

With two of the targets secured, The Fallen ordered the Trinity to capture [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]], leader of the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], while he would take care of the fourth target personally. In the ruins of [[Iacon]], while the Protectobots were discussing their problems with maintaining their control while combined as [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]], Bludgeon and the Trinity attacked, taking down the other Protectobots and capturing Hot Spot. {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}}

While The Fallen used the four prisoners to unlock the [[Seal of Primus]], Bludgeon and the others were forced to defend the access shaft to the underground chamber against the Decepticons. Though Bludgeon stood resolute, ordering his comrades to fight on, with the faith that they would be rewarded for their loyal service, his resolve soon crumbled when the Autobots and the [[Lightning Strike Coalition]] joined forces with Shockwave and eliminated Bugly and Mindwipe. Bludgeon escaped underground to seek his master, only to be gunned down by a teleporting [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]. {{storylink|Conflagration}}
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===Dreamwave ''Armada'' comics===
[[Image:DWDropshot sliced.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Silent but deadly.]]
A version of Bludgeon from an unspecified alternate reality was part of [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s unit of Heralds, along with [[Dirge (G1)| Dirge]], [[Thunderwing (G1)| Thunderwing]] and [[Scourge (G1)| Scourge]], sent to prepare Cybertron for the coming of [[Unicron]]. He was stationed as guard of the Decepticon base when [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire's]] unit arrived. While he put up a formidable assault (as [[Dropshot (Armada)|Dropshot]] could attest), the Autobots eventually realized the secret to his technique and forced him to retreat, leaving behind his Pretender shell. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 3 of 4}} He returned when Jetfire attempted to use the space-bridge portal, but like the rest of the Heralds was shortly blown up. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 4 of 4}}
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===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[Image:Bludgeon Robot GIJoe.jpg|140px|thumb|Bludgeon always secretly dreamed of being a [[Visionaries|Visionary]].]]
Eons ago, when [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] was given the [[Matrix of Leadership]], Bludgeon attempted to kill him, but failed.

Along with the [[Pretender Monster|Pretender Monsters]], Bludgeon traveled to Earth, seeking to be present at the planet's destruction by Unicron. The group was shot down by the [[China|Chinese]] Air Force, however, and damaged in the process. An alliance with the underground kingdom of [[Cobra-La]] provided them with life-sustaining [[Pretender]] shells in exchange for protecting the kingdom. He was responsible for the death of [[Atomic Man]] in 1978, when the [[Adventure Team (G.I. Joe)|Adventure Team]] came snooping too close to Cobra-La's hidden lair in the caves beneath [[Tibet]].

Decades later, Bludgeon engaged Optimus Prime in battle as the Autobot attempted to infiltrate Cobra-La's caves. After being burned by Bludgeon, Optimus ripped the chest off of Bludgeon's Pretender shell. In his anger, Bludgeon lost his edge and fell off a cliff. Although Optimus had caught him, Bludgeon chose to fall, standing by his philosophy of "merciless death and destruction." {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 2 of 2}}
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===IDW comics continuity===
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[[Image:SpotlightSoundwave_Bludgeon_defeatsLaserbeakRavage.jpg|thumb|left|300px|"Fool! A master of Metallikato knows when you try to sneak up behind him!"]]

Bludgeon was the leader of a team of Decepticons (including [[Iguanus (G1)|Iguanus]], [[Finback]], [[Skullgrin]], and [[Bomb-Burst]]) who were assigned by Megatron to look into what [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s various projects when he disappeared. Megatron also sent [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] to spy on them. During this time, Bludgeon discovered Shockwave's work on [[Regenesis]]. Eventually, however, they discovered the remains of [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]], the Decepticon scientist who became the cause of the Cybertronian cataclysm. Bludgeon came to believe that Thunderwing was an avatar of the apocalypse, and became bent on restoring the wasted Cybertron to its former glory by resurrecting him. He and his team of Decepticons believed that in reawakening Thunderwing and turning him loose, the mass sacrifice of worlds would allow the rebirth of Cybertron. They also delved into the outlawed [[Pretender|polydermal grafting]] experiments pioneered by Thunderwing, in an attempt to create super-shells of their own.

In 1984 they went to [[Earth]] to extract a load of [[Ultra-Energon]], establishing a base within Mt. St. Helens. Soundwave naturally followed them. He eventually came to them asking for a cut of their profits, believing that they meant to sell the energon, but when he realized that they meant to resurrect Thunderwing he tried to stop them. They used one of Shockwave's devices to lock him in his alt-mode, then caused a volcanic eruption and returned to Cybertron via an [[orbital jump|orbital bounce]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Soundwave}}

[[Image:IDWBludgeonShell.jpg|200px|thumb|oshit.]]
Twenty-three years later, [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] and the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]], detecting the Ultra-Energon from orbit, went to investigate, and were taken by the cult, planning to use them as raw materials for their shells. Bludgeon wanted Jetfire to witness Thunderwing's awakening, to make him see that Thunderwing had been right to experiment, but Jetfire eventually annoyed him too much. Connecting his mind to an [[Axis Cradle]] that controlled Thunderwing's blank neuroscape, Bludgeon sent Thunderwing to destroy [[Nebulos]], then engaged the auto-drive to inspect his own shell's progress. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 2}} When Optimus Prime and the Wreckers attacked Bludgeon's base on Cybertron by surprise, Iguanus escaped to the bio-graft chamber to find Bludgeon—only to find the cult leader having donned full polydermal armor. However, in Bludgeon's rush, the shell was not mentally aligned, causing a psychic backlash that took down the Decepticon before the Wreckers even found him. It is unclear whether Bludgeon's mind survived, but if it did, it is apparently trapped in torment. Prime felt that he got off lightly for having unleashed Thunderwing. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 3}}

[[Image:SpotlightSideswipe Bludgeon attacks.jpg|left|thumb|150px|[[E. J. Su]] draws Bludgeon, and makes everyone happy in the pants.]]
After the defeat of Thunderwing, Bludgeon was transferred to [[Garrus-9]], where [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] stored his extracted [[spark]] in the Rig. {{storylink|Spotlight: Arcee}}

However, during [[Nova Prime|Nemesis Prime]]'s attempt to bring forth the [[Expansion]], Bludgeon (his shell at least) was reactivated inside his cell by [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] to stop Jetfire from attempting to take control of Thunderwing. {{storylink|Spotlight: Doubledealer}}

The remote-controlled Bludgeon sliced its way into Jetfire's lab and Jhiaxus planned to have it kill the Autobot. However, multiple fronts of Autobot resistance at each [[Nega-Core]] kept Jhiaxus from focusing his full attention on controlling Bludgeon, and he was forced to abandon his effort to kill Jetfire. [[Cloudraker (G1)|Cloudraker]] and [[Fastlane]] arrived and quickly disarmed the now-inert Bludgeon, and Jetfire borrowed the Pretender's sword to go aid Optimus Prime in his fight against Nemesis Prime. Bludgeon's body was presumably returned to confinement afterwards. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sideswipe}}

[[Image:AHM_bludgeoniseeevill.jpg|300px|thumb|Another inconsistency [[Nick Roche]] has to fix.]]
Some time later, Bludgeon had apparently been liberated by his fellow Decepticons and fully rehabilitated. Again in possession of his full faculties (such as they were), he was in command of a Decepticon warship crewed by the [[Pretender Monster|Monstructor Six]]. Still displaying cultish fanaticism and a cruel streak a mile wide, he urged his crew onward in pursuit of the maverick Autobot [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]. Downing the Autobot's shuttlecraft, Bludgeon had his ship land and crew disembark to sacrifice Hot Rod for the greater purpose of restoring Cybertron. With the untimely arrival of the crew of the battleship ''[[Trion]]'', Bludgeon ordered his acolytes to form Monstructor and crush the Autobots. However, his forces were put to rout by a precise shot from [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]'s sniper rifle, which hit the vulnerable connecting joint of the large combiner. Realizing what he was up against, Bludgeon sounded the retreat. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 15|Lost and Found}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1Bludgeon toy.jpg|right|301px|thumb|I see dead people... and I'm the one that made them dead.]]
*'''Bludgeon''' (Pretender, 1989)
:*''Accessories'': Pretender shell, large "Laser Rifle" gun, tank turret/shield, small "Electric Cannon", helmet

:Bludgeon's inner robot transforms into a green and lilac tank of undetermined origin. Oddly, compared to most ''Transformers'' tanks, he has no wheels inside the static tank tracks for any sort of rolling movement; however, as the treads are arranged in two pairs, he is also one of the very few tank Transformers whose treads do not split apart during transformation. Transformation to robot mode is very similar to many tank-vehicle Micromaster figures, except one must remove the rotating turret piece to do so, with the removable main gun as his weapon, mounted in a hole in his wrist (rather than his hand).

:Bludgeon's Pretender shell, continuing the Decepticon trend of monstrous or war-like shells, is an orange and maroon humanoid samurai with a human skull for a head. Removing the helmet reveals great attention to detail to the skull, with cranium fusion seams and well-defined teeth, among other sculpting. The shell is armed with a white rifle and the inner robot's tank turret mounted on his arm as a sort of shield.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1989/Decepticon/Bludgeon/bludgeon.htm More info on Bludgeon at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
* Like Stranglehold and Octopunch, Bludgeon's [[character model]] portrays him with a specialized melee weapon. Bludgeon is consistently drawn with the character model's sword, which has become a trademark, despite his toy lacking one. The character model also seems to include a scabbard for the sword, though that is not included nearly as often. Why all three of these characters are given weapons that don't exist is unknown.
:* The only time we see his character model is when it's copied faithfully by [[José Delbo]] in "[[Yesterday's Heroes!]]". (However, [[Robin Smith]] takes another crack at it in [[Fleetway]]'s ''[[Generation 2 (Fleetway comic)|Generation 2]]'' series, but a tiny few liberties were taken, style-wise.)
* The sword in his character model has unique detailing at the base of the front of the blade. In Delbo's rendition, it looks kind of like a dong. Elsewhere, not so much. Thankfully.
* Bludgeon's outer shell is a "Warrior-Grade Pretender Shell" equipped with an ambient stealth field.<ref>[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]], by [[Simon Furman]]</ref>
[[Image:ROTFtoy-BludgeonVoyager.jpg|thumb|right|300px|You could always just pretend he's G1 Bludgeon... which, when you think of what his ROTF self is like, would probably be doing him a favour.]]
* Bludgeon came close to having a new toy on two separate occasions. The first was a planned 6" Titaniums toy, supposedly based on his War Within design <ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/titanium-13/cancelled-titanium-bludgeon-revealed-in-tfw2005-toy-database-164105/ Cancelled Titanium Bludgeon Revealed in TFW2005 Toy Database]</ref>, while the second was drawn up for the [[Universe (2008 franchise)|''Universe'']] line, but put on hold because of the large number of tank and tank-like vehicles released recently. <ref>[[Bill Rawley]] in an interview for the Transformers Collector's Club magazine: ''"One that comes to mind right away is Bludgeon. We even started early design sketches for him but the fact that he would transform into a tank, in a line that had a lot of tank-like vehicles in it, meant that he would have to be put on hold... for now."''</ref> It seems likely those early plans were eventually developed into the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Bludgeon (ROTF)|Bludgeon toy]].
* However, the origin of the ''Revenge'' Voyager class Bludgeon is older than one may expect. Artist [[Don Figueroa]] submitted a concept for a [[Unicron Trilogy]] Bludgeon toy that looked ''very similar'' to the final product way back during the development of the ''[[Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' or ''[[Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' toylines. Obviously, the concept wasn't put into production as a toy at the time, so Figueroa used it as inspiration for his [[IDW Publishing]] "[[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]]" [[Bludgeon (G1)#IDW comics continuity|rendition of Generation 1 Bludgeon.]] However, Hasbro evidently resurrected the concept for the ''Universe'' and then the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' lines. Figueroa notes that his contribution on this toy is very small, as his work on it ended when he submitted the concept to Hasbro way back when.

==References==
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==External links==
* [http://www.builtstlouis.net/tf/bludgeon/index.html The Bludgeon Home Page]

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Bludgeon (G1)

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:''Bludgeon is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:MarvelUK-282.jpg|right|300px|thumb|This is pretty much the most metal cover in TF history.]]

'''Bludgeon''' is a ferocious warrior, skilled in the ancient Cybertronian martial art of [[Metallikato]]. He and his blade can cut through the battlefield as if everyone else is operating at a minimal speed setting. Bludgeon's feats in battle seem nearly supernatural, which is probably the effect he's going for, if he doesn't believe his own hype. Utterly vicious and aloof, Bludgeon is also highly religious, adhering to an arcane code of honor. Though his beliefs fuel his single-minded bloodthirstiness with dogmatic precision, they also cause him to be rather superstitious.

Bludgeon's confidence, skill, and grand words have often catapulted him to the upper ranks of the Decepticons. Who wouldn't fall in line behind him? He's charismatic! The [[Mayhem Attack Squad]] is his usual host of cronies, but he's also been known to fill in as [[Decepticon leader]] if a power vacuum presents itself.

Bludgeon is (obviously) a [[Pretender]] who has adopted a shell which takes the appearance of a skeletal samurai. His signature weapon is an energo-sword, though he also carries a shield and an electric cannon. In accordance with his martial arts motif, generators in his shell's legs can create disorienting clouds of smoke, and he can generate electric fireballs from the torso of either his body or his shell. <ref>Bludgeon's [[More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|More Than Meets The Eye]] profile says the electric fireballs are fired from either of his torsos. His original toy bio said they're fired from between his shell's antennas.</ref> It is unknown whether Bludgeon is any less agile or capable in his blocky robot mode, but it wouldn't be surprising.

{{bigquote|Prattling fool! Your warrior heart is tainted by an idiot's tongue! Perhaps I shall remove '''both''' for you!|Bludgeon takes on [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]|"[[Primal Scream (issue)|Primal Scream]]"}}

:''French-Canadian name:'' '''Gourdin''' ("Club", as in the beat-you-up-with kind)
:''Italian name:'' '''Teskior'''

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{noteukonly}}
[[Image:Bludgeonasavageplace.jpg|left|250px|thumb|The shoulder is a well-known Transformer instant-death spot.]]
''When Decepticons [[Catilla]] and [[Carnivac (G1)|Carnivac]] defected to the [[Autobot|Autobots]], a new Mayhem Attack Squad was formed which included Bludgeon, his Pretender cohorts Stranglehold and Octopunch, [[Needlenose]], [[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]], and [[Snarler]]. After a mission simulation of [[Slaughter City]], their prey was authorized -- they would hunt down and kill Catilla, Carnivac, and their new [[Wrecker|Wreckers]] friends. {{storylink|The Hunting Party}} They found Carnivac outside Dallas, Texas, and Bludgeon, promising him a warrior's death, led the charge. {{storylink|Way of the Warrior}} However, Carnivac escaped Bludgeon and the other Mayhems, {{storylink|Survival Run}} but tracked him down to [[Los Gravos]], [[Mexico]]. Bludgeon fought Carnivac, and [[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]] was about to deal the killing blow, when Catilla rescued him. However, Bludgeon threw his sword into Catilla, killing Carnivac's savior. As the rest of the Autobots arrived, Bludgeon ordered a withdrawal. Carnivac swore that Bludgeon and the other Mayhems would pay. {{storylink|A Savage Place!}} ''

[[Image:Bludgeonstrangleholdoctopunchmodelsheet.jpg|right|200px|thumb|The colorist made me look hunchbacked.]]
He later took on the leadership of [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]'s new [[Mayhem Attack Squad]], sent to slay the newly-resurrected [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]], [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]. Alongside the [[Rescue Patrol]], the [[Classic Pretender|Classic Pretenders]] were due to be teleported to [[Earth]], an operation Bludgeon attempted to interrupt by shoving his blade through the transportation machine. Instead, he and the Mayhems were transported with the Autobots to the center of Cybertron. {{storylink|Yesterday's Heroes!}} Here, the Mayhems were foiled, although they inadvertently awakened the slumbering [[Primus]] in the process. Ultimately, the transportation was completed, and they were sent to Earth along with the Autobots, {{storylink|Primal Scream (issue)|Primal Scream}} where they told [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] of Unicron's coming and joined his Decepticons on Earth. When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] surrendered his Autobots to Scorponok in order to facilitate an alliance against Unicron, Bludgeon helped the other Decepticons imprison the surrendered Autobots. {{storylink|Surrender!}}

Bludgeon was seen fighting on Scorponok's side during the subsequent Decepticon Civil War {{storylink|...All This and Civil War 2}} and was transported with all of them to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] by [[Primus]]. Primus (speaking through the body of [[Emirate Xaaron]]) told them of the history between himself and Unicron, while Bludgeon cleaned his sword. He was there also to quell the sudden [[Unicron cultist]] uprising, remarking that to a master of [[Metallikato]], their moves were like slow motion. {{storylink|The Void! (US)|The Void!}} When Unicron himself arrived, though, the superstitious Bludgeon ran like hell. {{storylink|On the Edge of Extinction!}} Thankfully, Optimus Prime's sacrifice saved them all, and Bludgeon was there standing over Prime's body with a few others as he died. The Autobot/Decepticon alliance that emerged was shaky and the Decepticons leaderless, so Bludgeon and [[Krok (G1)|Krok]] discussed a plan of their own. {{storylink|Still Life!}}

[[Image:Bludgeonlastautobot.jpg|left|250px|thumb|It's a good thing the Battlechargers were dead then, or Bludgeon's shell would've been totally ganked.]]
Tensions came to a head when [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] discovered that Cybertron was tearing itself apart in the aftermath of the Transformers' victory against Unicron. While Bludgeon openly kept the peace (like keeping [[Fangry]] in line at meetings), he and Krok began to worry that some of the Decepticons were in ''favour'' of peaceful alliance and plotted to break it up. New Autobot leader [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] almost gave them an opening by beating the tar out of Fangry, until [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] stopped the fight; Bludgeon quickly exploited the situation anyway, demanding the full details of the Autobots' plans.

Now knowing they intended to start anew on another planet and live in peace, he sabotaged the Autobot ships and assumed command of the Decepticons. He gave the troops a rousing speech, condemning the Autobot plan as weak and advocating a return to conquest as was the Decepticon way. Having risen from the ranks to light their darkest hour, he was cheered on by the Decepticons. {{storylink|Exodus!}}

[[Image:Bludgeon-youlie1.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Look at him go. What a skeleton!]]
With his Decepticons eager for conquest, Bludgeon randomly selected the planet of [[Klo]] as their first target. {{storylink|A Savage Circle}} The peaceful inhabitants of Klo were easily (and violently) subdued, and Bludgeon thought this planet did not meet the challenges befitting their warrior race. In turn, Krok pleased him with news that their ships were bugged and that they should be expecting the Autobots to be arriving soon. {{storylink|The Last Autobot?}}

Indeed, when the Autobots arrived, Bludgeon's Decepticons were ready for them, luring them into an ambush—only five Autobots escaped their purge, and Bludgeon sent a small hunting party after them. Ultimate victory was snatched from Bludgeon only by divine intervention. The [[Last Autobot]] arrived with a resurrected Optimus Prime and the [[Neo-Knights]]. Bludgeon rejected this development on religious grounds; the Last Autobot, according to his beliefs, was the Ultimate Warrior, who was bent on conquest. He ordered his troops to attack the "unbelievers". Ultimately, the Decepticons were defeated. The Last Autobot was able to revive the fallen Autobots at will, and Bludgeon was forced to admit defeat and withdraw. As he and the Decepticons retreated, he promised a "solitary exile" to the Autobots—while saying something else to his subordinates. {{storylink|End of the Road! (US)|End of the Road!}}
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=====Marvel UK future timelines=====
[[Image:Aspects of evil bludgeon.jpg|left|75px|thumb|GIVE ME YOUR THROAT.]]
''In an alternate 1990, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] was captured by the Decepticons and freed by an agent placed within the Decepticons. [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] accused Bludgeon of being the culprit, and Bludgeon demanded the chance to prove himself through trial by combat. He was released and chased by [[Octopunch]], [[Stranglehold]] and [[Warmonger]]. Bludgeon easily dispatched the former two but was caught from behind by Warmonger, who couldn't bring himself to kill in cold blood. Realizing who the infiltrator was, Megatron destroyed Warmonger, then reflected that it would have simply been easier to kill all four of them. {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!}}''

{{note|The above story is the earliest known account from the Marvel UK alternate "Movie" timeline. The split between the main comic and the future stories almost certainly took place in 1989, either due to the Time Wars, the events of [[Primal Scream (issue)|Primal Scream]] where Primus alerted Unicron to his location 15 years early, or both.}}
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=====Earthforce=====
{{earthforcefiction}}
[[Image:UKBludgeonEarthForce.jpg|right|180px|thumb|There wolf!]]
''Following Catilla's death, the Mayhems set up a base on a deserted island, where Needlenose decided to test their response time in an emergency. Enraged, Bludgeon threatened to tear him apart, but was stopped by Snarler. As Needlenose returned to his quarters, he was ambushed by Carnivac, who had snuck in during the chaos caused by his "drill". His calls for help were ignored by Snarler and Bludgeon. {{storylink|Cry Wolf!}} Carnivac decided to pick off Bludgeon next, finding him meditating. Bludgeon sensed him coming and took him on, and the other Mayhems responded to the commotion. Bludgeon wanted to finish this traitor with his blade as well, but Spinister decided to end it summarily by slagging Carnivac with his blaster instead. {{storylink|Wolf in the Fold!}} Angry at losing his kill, Bludgeon was pleased to find [[Earthforce]] attacking them, in an attempt to rescue Carnivac. He and his fellow Pretenders were defeated, outnumbered by the Autobots. But before they could be executed, a shell-less Carnivac appeared and told the Autobots to spare them, denying them a warrior's death. {{storylink|Where Wolf?}}''

''Captives of Earthforce, Bludgeon and his Pretender partners were held in a cell together. To get free, Bludgeon arranged a most subtle escape attempt with his cell mates. At first, they all remained completely silent for an extended period of time, partly to unnerve their guard, [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]], but also to give Bludgeon time to make mental contact with his katana, locked away in the property vault. Once he found the weapon and began summoning it back to him through the hallways, Bludgeon signaled Stranglehold to begin pounding frantically on the floor. This sudden activity spooked Inferno into opening the cell door to pacify the prisoner, only to wind up with a floating sword in his backside. The Pretenders then simply walked out over his leaking body. {{storylink|Shut Up!}}''

''Afterwards, Bludgeon and the others hooked up with Megatron and Shockwave, the deposed leaders of the Decepticons, and took on a bounty to assassinate their betrayers, Starscream and Soundwave. {{storylink|External Forces!}} The assassins outnumbered their prey, but they hadn't counted on the Autobots intervening on Starscream's behalf. It seemed the Dinobot [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] was dying, and could only be saved by a systems boost from a compatible Transformer, namely Starscream. [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] and [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] joined the fight on Starscream's side, and the Mayhems were defeated. {{storylink|The Lesser Evil}}''

=====''Another Time and Place''=====
[[Image:BludgeonStrangleholdOctopunch-AnotherTimeAndPlace.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Bludgeon: All skeleton, no spine.]]
After the defeat on Klo, Bludgeon decided the Decepticons needed some "old blood" back in charge. He traveled to Earth and retrieved the deactivated body of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] from the wreckage of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. Then, he seized upon an opportunity to follow Grimlock and the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] to [[Hydrus Four]], the source of the miraculous energy known as [[Nucleon]] which had supercharged the Dinobot commander. Slipping ahead of the Dinobots as they made their way to the medical facility, Bludgeon and his Decepticons set up a [[Holocaust Trigger]] to trap the Dinobots, disabling them without firing a shot. Unfortunately for Bludgeon, he ignored [[Fangry]]'s cries of "Let's just kill them already!" and gave in to his inner Bond villain, keeping Grimlock and the Dinobots alive long enough for them to witness the triumphant resurrection of Megatron. That didn't mean, however, that he kept his fellow Decepticons from aggressively torturing their fallen captives.

In a matter of hours, a full scale Autobot strike force had tracked the Dinobots down to Hydrus Four and assaulted Bludgeon's position. Fearing his rag-tag team of Decepticons wouldn't be enough, Bludgeon accelerated Megatron's revival, sending the half-mad, half-living monstrosity at Optimus Prime. He had no time to gloat, though -- the heavily-injured Dinobot known as [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] had dragged himself to the control module for one of the medical machines in the area, setting its spidery arms to work on Bludgeon, disassembling him in seconds down to his core components.

Bludgeon didn't even have time to scream. {{storylink|Another Time and Place}}
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====''Generation 2''====
{{note| The ''Generation 2'' stories take place after the end of the original Marvel Comic, but in a [[splinter timeline]] that does not include the events of ''Another Time and Place''.}}
[[Image:Bludgeontalesofearth.jpg|200px|thumb|G2, home of New Extreme Weapons.]]
By "solitary exile", what Bludgeon had actually meant was "build a slag-off big planet-like spacecraft called the [[Warworld]] and attack vessels for their cargo across the galaxy". {{storylink|Primal Fear!}} He also battled Optimus Prime and the Autobots over a store of ancient alien weapons, but an [[Guardian (G2)|alien entity]] drove him off. {{storylink|Ghosts}} After that, he went back to stealing resources—and finished the construction of a new generation of Decepticon warriors, who just needed the Matrix to come back to life. That meant luring Prime away from the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]] and to him... {{storylink|Primal Fear!}}

[[Image:Bludgeon-PowerAndTheGlory.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Also, so very much less.]]

To lure Prime out, Bludgeon launched a full-scale attack on Earth and did succeed in drawing Optimus Prime to Earth's defense, but not before Bludgeon was confronted by the newly-rebuilt [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], who wanted command of the Decepticons for himself once more. {{storylink|Devices and Desires! (Marvel)|Devices and Desires!}} Bludgeon destroyed Megatron's gun with one swipe of his blade, but neglected to realize how enhanced the new Megatron was -- the former Decepticon leader ripped Bludgeon's Pretender skull off with one hand. Undaunted, Bludgeon proclaimed himself an agent of chaos and transformed into his little-used tank mode to confront Megatron on his own terms. He briefly drove back Megatron, but ultimately the Decepticons' founder proved to be too much for their current leader, and his new railgun destroyed Bludgeon utterly. {{storylink|The Power and the Glory}}

The victorious Decepticon leader subsequently displayed Bludgeon's severed head in the Warworld, though he did muse that he might have spared Bludgeon's life if he'd known how much the guy had achieved and envisioned with limited time and resources. {{storylink|The Gathering Darkness}} Later on, the Decepticons would try not to say the word "bludgeon" around Megatron (even with the "to hit things" meaning) just in case it annoyed him. {{storylink|New Dawn}}
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====''Generation 2'' (Fleetway)====
[[Image:Bludgeon-WarWithoutEndUK.jpg|thumb|150px|thumb|[[Robin Smith]], copying a [[character model]] pose??? [[Ravage (G1)|Never!]]]]
Intending to draw out Autobots to Earth and steal the Matrix to bring a new generation of Decepticons to life, Bludgeon attacked Earth in force—specifically [[London]]. Unfortunately for him, the Autobots were already there, and attacked just as his troops were low on fuel. Bludgeon fought Optimus in direct combat and lost. {{storylink|War Without End (issue)|War Without End}}

He sneaked away to try the exact same tactic again—and learned if at first you don't succeed, Try #2 will get you killed by Megatron. {{storylink|The Power and the Glory}}
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====''Classics''====
{{note| The ''Classics'' stories take place after the end of the original Marvel Comic, but in a [[splinter timeline]] that does not include the events of the Marvel UK-exclusive stories or Generation 2.}}
Optimus Prime was reluctant to prolong the war by following Bludgeon and his followers across the galaxy, but [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] was more than happy to. Grimlock, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], and a crew of others searched and fought Bludgeon's Decepticons in the fringes of known space, but to no known resolution. At some point the mysterious Decepticon, [[Bug Bite (G1)|Bug Bite]], joined Bludgeon's Decepticons, and Bludgeon put him in charge of his own subgroup. {{storylink|Games of Deception}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' comics continuity===
[[Image:WarWithin_Escalation_Bludgeons_vision.jpg|thumb|left|250px|EPIC FORESHADOWING.]]

During the so-called "[[War Within: The Dark Ages|Dark Ages]]" of the Autobot-Decepticon conflict, Bludgeon, alongside [[Bugly]] and [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]], formed the [[Chaos Trinity]], a group that sought to harness the dark forces of the universe and use them to their advantage. During one of their ceremonies in the [[Orbital Torus State]] of [[Kalis]], they were interrupted by the mysterious being known as [[The Fallen]], who applauded their amateur theatrics while mocking the lack substance behind their words. He offered them [[Furmanism|power beyond measure]] in exchange for their servitude, a proposal that Bludgeon at first boldly refused, then agreed to once The Fallen changed the term for which they would be referred to. The Fallen tasked his new "disciples" with capturing a number of Transformers in order to perform a bizarre ceremony called The [[Unbinding]] in [[Well of All Sparks|Cybertron's core]]. {{storylink|Fragmentation}} Soon, Bludgeon began to chafe at being ordered around without any tangible reward, so The Fallen gave him a glimpse of the dark power, ensuring the Decepticon's loyalty. While the [[Wrecker]]s and [[Ultracon]]s busied themselves with their civil war, unaware of the events unfolding, Bludgeon formulated a strategy to capture two of their targets: the Trinity would would exploit [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s twisted sense of justice and have him deliver himself and [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] into their trap. {{storylink|Escalation (Dreamwave)|Escalation}}

When Jetfire met with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] in the [[Neutral Territories]] to discuss their suspicions about an outside force influencing the current conflict, the Trinity sprung their trap, attacking the Decepticon Commander. Bludgeon declared that once he would have never dared face Shockwave in battle, but he had been given new insights into the [[dark science]] and his ability to see the bigger picture, the latter no longer stood a chance. Once Shockwave was taken care of, the Trinity captured Jetfire, but noticed that Grimlock hadn't taken the bait of Jetfire's supposed treachery. As they prepared to leave, Grimlock jumped them, forcing The Fallen to step in. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}}

[[Image:WarWithin_Confrontation_BludgeonBlades.jpg|thumb|400px|And you call yourself 'Blades'? You don't even have a blade!]]

With two of the targets secured, The Fallen ordered the Trinity to capture [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]], leader of the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], while he would take care of the fourth target personally. In the ruins of [[Iacon]], while the Protectobots were discussing their problems with maintaining their control while combined as [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]], Bludgeon and the Trinity attacked, taking down the other Protectobots and capturing Hot Spot. {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}}

While The Fallen used the four prisoners to unlock the [[Seal of Primus]], Bludgeon and the others were forced to defend the access shaft to the underground chamber against the Decepticons. Though Bludgeon stood resolute, ordering his comrades to fight on, with the faith that they would be rewarded for their loyal service, his resolve soon crumbled when the Autobots and the [[Lightning Strike Coalition]] joined forces with Shockwave and eliminated Bugly and Mindwipe. Bludgeon escaped underground to seek his master, only to be gunned down by a teleporting [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]. {{storylink|Conflagration}}
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===Dreamwave ''Armada'' comics===
[[Image:DWDropshot sliced.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Silent but deadly.]]
A version of Bludgeon from an unspecified alternate reality was part of [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s unit of Heralds, along with [[Dirge (G1)| Dirge]], [[Thunderwing (G1)| Thunderwing]] and [[Scourge (G1)| Scourge]], sent to prepare Cybertron for the coming of [[Unicron]]. He was stationed as guard of the Decepticon base when [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire's]] unit arrived. While he put up a formidable assault (as [[Dropshot (Armada)|Dropshot]] could attest), the Autobots eventually realized the secret to his technique and forced him to retreat, leaving behind his Pretender shell. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 3 of 4}} He returned when Jetfire attempted to use the space-bridge portal, but like the rest of the Heralds was shortly blown up. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 4 of 4}}
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===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[Image:Bludgeon Robot GIJoe.jpg|140px|thumb|Bludgeon always secretly dreamed of being a [[Visionaries|Visionary]].]]
Eons ago, when [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] was given the [[Matrix of Leadership]], Bludgeon attempted to kill him, but failed.

Along with the [[Pretender Monster|Pretender Monsters]], Bludgeon traveled to Earth, seeking to be present at the planet's destruction by Unicron. The group was shot down by the [[China|Chinese]] Air Force, however, and damaged in the process. An alliance with the underground kingdom of [[Cobra-La]] provided them with life-sustaining [[Pretender]] shells in exchange for protecting the kingdom. He was responsible for the death of [[Atomic Man]] in 1978, when the [[Adventure Team (G.I. Joe)|Adventure Team]] came snooping too close to Cobra-La's hidden lair in the caves beneath [[Tibet]].

Decades later, Bludgeon engaged Optimus Prime in battle as the Autobot attempted to infiltrate Cobra-La's caves. After being burned by Bludgeon, Optimus ripped the chest off of Bludgeon's Pretender shell. In his anger, Bludgeon lost his edge and fell off a cliff. Although Optimus had caught him, Bludgeon chose to fall, standing by his philosophy of "merciless death and destruction." {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 2 of 2}}
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===IDW comics continuity===
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[[Image:SpotlightSoundwave_Bludgeon_defeatsLaserbeakRavage.jpg|thumb|left|300px|"Fool! A master of Metallikato knows when you try to sneak up behind him!"]]

Bludgeon was the leader of a team of Decepticons (including [[Iguanus (G1)|Iguanus]], [[Finback]], [[Skullgrin]], and [[Bomb-Burst]]) who were assigned by Megatron to look into what [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s various projects when he disappeared. Megatron also sent [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] to spy on them. During this time, Bludgeon discovered Shockwave's work on [[Regenesis]]. Eventually, however, they discovered the remains of [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]], the Decepticon scientist who became the cause of the Cybertronian cataclysm. Bludgeon came to believe that Thunderwing was an avatar of the apocalypse, and became bent on restoring the wasted Cybertron to its former glory by resurrecting him. He and his team of Decepticons believed that in reawakening Thunderwing and turning him loose, the mass sacrifice of worlds would allow the rebirth of Cybertron. They also delved into the outlawed [[Pretender|polydermal grafting]] experiments pioneered by Thunderwing, in an attempt to create super-shells of their own.

In 1984 they went to [[Earth]] to extract a load of [[Ultra-Energon]], establishing a base within Mt. St. Helens. Soundwave naturally followed them. He eventually came to them asking for a cut of their profits, believing that they meant to sell the energon, but when he realized that they meant to resurrect Thunderwing he tried to stop them. They used one of Shockwave's devices to lock him in his alt-mode, then caused a volcanic eruption and returned to Cybertron via an [[orbital jump|orbital bounce]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Soundwave}}

[[Image:IDWBludgeonShell.jpg|200px|thumb|oshit.]]
Twenty-three years later, [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] and the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]], detecting the Ultra-Energon from orbit, went to investigate, and were taken by the cult, planning to use them as raw materials for their shells. Bludgeon wanted Jetfire to witness Thunderwing's awakening, to make him see that Thunderwing had been right to experiment, but Jetfire eventually annoyed him too much. Connecting his mind to an [[Axis Cradle]] that controlled Thunderwing's blank neuroscape, Bludgeon sent Thunderwing to destroy [[Nebulos]], then engaged the auto-drive to inspect his own shell's progress. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 2}} When Optimus Prime and the Wreckers attacked Bludgeon's base on Cybertron by surprise, Iguanus escaped to the bio-graft chamber to find Bludgeon—only to find the cult leader having donned full polydermal armor. However, in Bludgeon's rush, the shell was not mentally aligned, causing a psychic backlash that took down the Decepticon before the Wreckers even found him. It is unclear whether Bludgeon's mind survived, but if it did, it is apparently trapped in torment. Prime felt that he got off lightly for having unleashed Thunderwing. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 3}}

[[Image:SpotlightSideswipe Bludgeon attacks.jpg|left|thumb|150px|[[E. J. Su]] draws Bludgeon, and makes everyone happy in the pants.]]
After the defeat of Thunderwing, Bludgeon was transferred to [[Garrus-9]], where [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] stored his extracted [[spark]] in the Rig. {{storylink|Spotlight: Arcee}}

However, during [[Nova Prime|Nemesis Prime]]'s attempt to bring forth the [[Expansion]], Bludgeon (his shell at least) was reactivated inside his cell by [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] to stop Jetfire from attempting to take control of Thunderwing. {{storylink|Spotlight: Doubledealer}}

The remote-controlled Bludgeon sliced its way into Jetfire's lab and Jhiaxus planned to have it kill the Autobot. However, multiple fronts of Autobot resistance at each [[Nega-Core]] kept Jhiaxus from focusing his full attention on controlling Bludgeon, and he was forced to abandon his effort to kill Jetfire. [[Cloudraker (G1)|Cloudraker]] and [[Fastlane]] arrived and quickly disarmed the now-inert Bludgeon, and Jetfire borrowed the Pretender's sword to go aid Optimus Prime in his fight against Nemesis Prime. Bludgeon's body was presumably returned to confinement afterwards. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sideswipe}}

[[Image:AHM_bludgeoniseeevill.jpg|300px|thumb|Another inconsistency [[Nick Roche]] has to fix.]]
Some time later, Bludgeon had apparently been liberated by his fellow Decepticons and fully rehabilitated. Again in possession of his full faculties (such as they were), he was in command of a Decepticon warship crewed by the [[Pretender Monster|Monstructor Six]]. Still displaying cultish fanaticism and a cruel streak a mile wide, he urged his crew onward in pursuit of the maverick Autobot [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]. Downing the Autobot's shuttlecraft, Bludgeon had his ship land and crew disembark to sacrifice Hot Rod for the greater purpose of restoring Cybertron. With the untimely arrival of the crew of the battleship ''[[Trion]]'', Bludgeon ordered his acolytes to form Monstructor and crush the Autobots. However, his forces were put to rout by a precise shot from [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]'s sniper rifle, which hit the vulnerable connecting joint of the large combiner. Realizing what he was up against, Bludgeon sounded the retreat. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 15|Lost and Found}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1Bludgeon toy.jpg|right|301px|thumb|I see dead people... and I'm the one that made them dead.]]
*'''Bludgeon''' (Pretender, 1989)
:*''Accessories'': Pretender shell, large "Laser Rifle" gun, tank turret/shield, small "Electric Cannon", helmet

:Bludgeon's inner robot transforms into a green and lilac tank of undetermined origin. Oddly, compared to most ''Transformers'' tanks, he has no wheels inside the static tank tracks for any sort of rolling movement; however, as the treads are arranged in two pairs, he is also one of the very few tank Transformers whose treads do not split apart during transformation. Transformation to robot mode is very similar to many tank-vehicle Micromaster figures, except one must remove the rotating turret piece to do so, with the removable main gun as his weapon, mounted in a hole in his wrist (rather than his hand).

:Bludgeon's Pretender shell, continuing the Decepticon trend of monstrous or war-like shells, is an orange and maroon humanoid samurai with a human skull for a head. Removing the helmet reveals great attention to detail to the skull, with cranium fusion seams and well-defined teeth, among other sculpting. The shell is armed with a white rifle and the inner robot's tank turret mounted on his arm as a sort of shield.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1989/Decepticon/Bludgeon/bludgeon.htm More info on Bludgeon at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
* Like Stranglehold and Octopunch, Bludgeon's [[character model]] portrays him with a specialized melee weapon. Bludgeon is consistently drawn with the character model's sword, which has become a trademark, despite his toy lacking one. The character model also seems to include a scabbard for the sword, though that is not included nearly as often. Why all three of these characters are given weapons that don't exist is unknown.
:* The only time we see his character model is when it's copied faithfully by [[José Delbo]] in "[[Yesterday's Heroes!]]". (However, [[Robin Smith]] takes another crack at it in [[Fleetway]]'s ''[[Generation 2 (Fleetway comic)|Generation 2]]'' series, but a tiny few liberties were taken, style-wise.)
* The sword in his character model has unique detailing at the base of the front of the blade. In Delbo's rendition, it looks kind of like a dong. Elsewhere, not so much. Thankfully.
* Bludgeon's outer shell is a "Warrior-Grade Pretender Shell" equipped with an ambient stealth field.<ref>[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]], by [[Simon Furman]]</ref>
[[Image:ROTFtoy-BludgeonVoyager.jpg|thumb|right|300px|You could always just pretend he's G1 Bludgeon... which, when you think of what his ROTF self is like, would be doing him a favour.]]
* Bludgeon came close to having a new toy on two separate occasions. The first was a planned 6" Titaniums toy, supposedly based on his War Within design <ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/titanium-13/cancelled-titanium-bludgeon-revealed-in-tfw2005-toy-database-164105/ Cancelled Titanium Bludgeon Revealed in TFW2005 Toy Database]</ref>, while the second was drawn up for the [[Universe (2008 franchise)|''Universe'']] line, but put on hold because of the large number of tank and tank-like vehicles released recently. <ref>[[Bill Rawley]] in an interview for the Transformers Collector's Club magazine: ''"One that comes to mind right away is Bludgeon. We even started early design sketches for him but the fact that he would transform into a tank, in a line that had a lot of tank-like vehicles in it, meant that he would have to be put on hold... for now."''</ref> It seems likely those early plans were eventually developed into the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Bludgeon (ROTF)|Bludgeon toy]].
* However, the origin of the ''Revenge'' Voyager class Bludgeon is older than one may expect. Artist [[Don Figueroa]] submitted a concept for a [[Unicron Trilogy]] Bludgeon toy that looked ''very similar'' to the final product way back during the development of the ''[[Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' or ''[[Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' toylines. Obviously, the concept wasn't put into production as a toy at the time, so Figueroa used it as inspiration for his [[IDW Publishing]] "[[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]]" [[Bludgeon (G1)#IDW comics continuity|rendition of Generation 1 Bludgeon.]] However, Hasbro evidently resurrected the concept for the ''Universe'' and then the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' lines. Figueroa notes that his contribution on this toy is very small, as his work on it ended when he submitted the concept to Hasbro way back when.

==References==
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==External links==
* [http://www.builtstlouis.net/tf/bludgeon/index.html The Bludgeon Home Page]

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Talk:Transformers: Exodus

2010-03-25T17:21:29Z

Nerroth: /* Synopsis */

== Synopsis ==

There's been some more [http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl/9780345519856.html info] posted up about the novel. How much of it should go in here (quoted or referenced)? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 13:14, 25 March 2010 (EDT)
: That's the exact same information that's on the Amazon link. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:17, 25 March 2010 (EDT)
::Indeed - a link which was only updated to include said synopsis today. My question still stands - how should the new information regarding the novel's plot be added to the synopsis here (as a direct quote, or a re-write)? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 13:21, 25 March 2010 (EDT)

Thirteen

2010-03-25T17:19:10Z

Nerroth: /* Fiction */

{{disambig2|the group of ancient Transformers |the comic series that might never be published|Transformers: The Thirteen}}
[[Image:Original13.jpg|center|500px|thumb|Guess the one on fire!]]
{{quote|We are the 13, the first, the forgotten, each of us serving a function vital to the survival of the universe. Each of us designated a Prime and given a function to serve during the long march of infinity.|Vector Prime|"[[Vector Prime: In the Beginning]]"}}

When [[Primus]] first created [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], he created a crew of '''thirteen living robotic beings''' to man him. These beings, in imitation of [[Unicron]]'s transformation abilities, were able to change their forms into the likeness of vehicles, weapons, and machinery. They were the first Transformers, and all [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]s. <ref>A Hasbro Q&A response would later try to alter this. See Notes above.</ref> Many of the thirteen died in a cataclysmic first battle with Unicron, where he was sucked down into a black hole and trapped along with his acolyte known as [[The Fallen]], one of the thirteen who had turned against his brothers and joined Unicron. Of those that survived, many abandoned their original functions and were lost to time. Only [[Vector Prime]] was known to still be following the path he was set upon by Primus.

==The thirteen==
[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Vector Prime steps forward from the First Thirteen Tabernacle Choir with a heartfelt solo.]]
The identities of most of the thirteen remain shrouded in mystery.

'''Confirmed members are:'''
*[[Prima]], the first [[Matrix|Matrix-bearer]] and first Transformer born from Cybertron, leader of the 13.<ref>''Sentinel Prime was one of a dynasty of Primes, stretching back to the original '''13 Transformers''' and their leader, Prima.'' — ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' (2005) 1st ed p15, "Sentinel Prime"</ref>
*"[[The Fallen]]" (original name unknown), the guardian of entropy.
*[[Vector Prime]], the guardian of space and time.
*[[Soundblaster (Cybertron)|Logos Prime]], also known as "Soundblaster". <ref>The ''Beast Wars Reborn'' text story establishes that Logos Prime is an "[[Ancients|Ancient]]", has incredible powers over space and time, and is "one of [Vector Prime's] own", which all combine with his title to strongly suggest he is a member of the thirteen. Additionally, the silhouetted image of the thirteen produced by [[Yuji Kaida]] for [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''[[World of Transformers]]'' web site (written by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]], author of the ''Beast Wars Reborn'' story) includes a shadowed figure closely resembling Logos Prime, seemingly cementing his position in the group's ranks. Well, either that, or he's the biggest red herring in the history of time.</ref>
*[[Nexus Prime]], the guardian of the multiverse's [[Rarified Energon]], capable of splitting into 5 smaller robots:
**[[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]]
**[[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]]
**[[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]]
**[[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]]
**[[Heatwave]]
*An unnamed female warrior, mentioned by Hasbro as central to their upcoming "13" story plans.<ref>[[Hasbro Q&A/October 2009: Answers]]</ref>

'''Possible members are:'''
*The [[Liege Maximo]]; he was confirmed in [[Simon Furman]]'s "[[Alignment]]" story as one of the first thirteen, but that story was "unofficial" and of debatable canonicity.
*[[Maccadam]]; rumor on Cybertron says that he is one of the thirteen and that his bar exists outside regular space-time, linking all realities, though sometimes this rumor is chalked up to the imaginations of the bar's drunken patrons. The story "[[Prime Spark]]" from the ''[[Transformers Legends]]'' anthology confirms half of this rumor, portraying the bar as a multiversal nexus of sorts, though not making any specific revelations about Maccadam himself. The anthology labels all its stories as not being part of mainstream continuity, so its revelations [[author intent|could be viewed]] as irrelevant.
*The [[Last Autobot]]; according to the words he spoke "Since Cybertron's Creation, I have slumbered within the planet, awaiting a time long foreseen by your creator, Primus", it can be inferred that he might be one of the thirteen.

Numerous other very ancient Transformers exist—[[Boltax (G1)|Boltax]], steward of the [[Underbase]], and the [[Keeper (Transformer)|Keeper]], protector of the slumbering Primus—but none have been included in the ranks of the thirteen.

==Functions==
Aside from their base functions as "crew" for Primus's planet form and their duty to battle Unicron, the quote above hints that each was given another charge. Three of the four known members of the thirteen were also charged with protecting specific aspects of the multiverse. It is possible, but unconfirmed, that each of the other ten might also have originally had an assigned role as guardian to some aspect of reality.

Vector Prime was tasked with overseeing the space and time continuum. The Prime who would eventually become the Fallen was tasked with overseeing the process of entropy. Nexus Prime was tasked with overseeing the [[multiverse]]'s Rarified Energon.

==Multiversal singularities==
The original thirteen are [[Multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]] like Primus and Unicron, with only one of each of them existing throughout the whole multiverse. Though they may pass from universe to universe, it is one quantum individual doing so, and they possess no alternate-reality counterparts as normal beings do. For further details on how this weird little mind-bender works, see that article.

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave Comics===
===Cybertron Comic===
{{stub}}
===Cybertron Cartoon===
===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Thirteen being created.]]
A race of beings that included the Fallen were the first creations of the [[AllSpark (Movie)|All Spark]]. They were extremely powerful and able to travel across dimensions. The Allspark then created the [[Transformer]]s to seek out stars that could replenish itself. With their descendants, they formed the [[Dynasty of Primes]], protecting Cybertron and the All Spark. The Fallen decided he wanted the Allspark's power for himself, and so slew the rest of his brothers...but they trapped him within a sarcophagus in the process. A long time passed, and he was eventually dug up. From his prison, he then pushed [[Megatron (Movie)|High Protector Megatron]] into forming the Decepticons. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

===DK Transformers: The Movie Universe book===
The All Spark created "the Primes". One of their number, however, fought the other twelve as he prepared to harvest the power of [[Earth]]'s sun. In the end, he slaughtered all of his brethren, but they were still able to imprison this Fallen being in a pocket dimension and save the Earth. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe}}

===''Revenge of the Fallen''===
{{note|The ROTF adaptations have thirteen Primes. While designs were made for twelve non-Fallen Prime heads, the finished film shows only seven Primes.}}
::''See [[Dynasty of Primes]]''

===Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comic===

Legend has it that [[Primus]] created the first seven Transformers, known as "the Primes", though they believe themselves creations of the All Spark. (So... who started the legend?) {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.3|The Fallen Profile}}

==='Exodus'' novel===
{{comingsoon}} {{storylink|Exodus}}

{{-}}

== Toys ==
===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Thefallentitanium.JPG|right|thumb|200px|]]
*'''Fallen''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)

A 6-inch titanium figure based off of Don Figuera's design for IDW Megatron's Cybertronian form.

===Cybertron===
[[Image:VectorPrime toy.jpg|thumb|200px|]]
* '''Vector Prime''' (Voyager, 2005)
* '''Galaxy Force Vector Prime''' (Voyager 2006)
* '''Soundblaster''' (Voyager class, 2006)
* '''Vector Prime''' (Legends of Cybertron 2006)

===Universe===
* '''Vector Prime with Mini-Con Safeguard''' (Voyager, 2009)

:A redeco of the ''Cybertron'' figure.

===Timelines===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-NexusMaximus.jpg|right|thumb|200px|]]
* Nexus Maximus (2009)

A club exclusive combiner whose components were released between 2005 and 2009.

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==Notes==
* IDW comics talked repeatedly about a planned/potential miniseries telling the story of the Thirteen. What similarity this new telling would have to the previous original thirteen stories is unknown. Hasbro became quite involved, and Simon Furman stated that it "seems pretty likely that Vector Prime will be amongst the 13, the Liege Maximo too, and possibly Alpha Trion. But nothing's set in stone here yet." [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=5032] No release date for this series was ever set. As of [[BotCon]] 09, IDW says this series is off their publishing schedule. In an interview, Furman said it's "probably not going to happen for a while, as it's become more of a Hasbro thing than an IDW thing, and Hasbro need to crystallize the whole concept before it can be turned into a comic book". [http://hombreimaginario.deviantart.com/art/Interviews-10-Simon-Furman-130246343]

* ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' specifically asserts that all of the original 13 Transformers were destroyed in the early battle between Primus and Unicron. In and of itself this statement cannot be accurate, since the same book later recounted how the Fallen was not destroyed but exiled to a transdimensional prison from which he later escaped. When the book was published, in 2004, it would have been hypothetically possible to assert that the other 12 members had been dead all along—but subsequent canon has indisputably established their survival.

* In an answer in [[Hasbro Q&A/October 2009#AllSpark.com|October 2009's Q&A]] Hasbro indicated that only seven of the 13 were Primes. These seven were hinted at as being the seven Primes featured in the film version of ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''. How that relates to the claim in fiction that all 13 were Primes is not yet known.

*In Hasbro Q&A on October, 2009 from [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=63609 ''The Allspark Forum''], The Thirteen are referred to as "the Original Epic Warriors of Cybertron" by Hasbro.

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Primus]]
[[Category:Subgroups]]
[[Category:Thirteen original Transformers| ]]

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|title=''Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron''
|image=
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|publisher=[[Del Rey Books]]
|date=[[June 22]], 2010
|writer=[[Alexander C. Irvine]]
|continuity=[[Transformers: Prime]] probably
|ISBN=ISBN 034551985X ISBN 978-0345519856
|pagecount=288
}}

'''The relationship between Orion Pax and Megatron before the war is explored. Also, enjoy meeting one of the original 13 Transformers.'''

==Synopsis==
{{comingsoon}}

==Featured characters==

*[[Orion Pax]]/Optimus Prime
*[[Megatron]]
*[[Sentinel Prime]]
*[[Starscream]]
*[[Omega Supreme]]
*One of the [[Thirteen original Transformers]]

== Quotes ==

== Notes ==

==References==
<references/>

==External links==
*[http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Exodus-Official-History-Cybertron/dp/034551985X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269529226&sr=8-1&tag=transformers-20 Amazon.com page]
*[http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl/9780345519856.html Random House page]

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|date=[[June 22]], 2010
|writer=[[Alexander C. Irvine]]
|continuity=[[Transformers: Prime]] probably
|ISBN=ISBN 034551985X ISBN 978-0345519856
|pagecount=288
}}

'''The relationship between Orion Pax and Megatron before the war is explored. Also, enjoy meeting one of the original 13 Transformers.'''

==Synopsis==
{{comingsoon}}

==Featured characters==

*[[Orion Pax]]/Optimus Prime
*[[Megatron]]
*[[Sentinel Prime]]
*[[Starscream]]
*[[Omega Supreme]]
*One of the [[Thirteen Original Transformers]]

== Quotes ==

== Notes ==

==References==
<references/>

==External links==
*[http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Exodus-Official-History-Cybertron/dp/034551985X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269529226&sr=8-1&tag=transformers-20 Amazon.com page]
*[http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl/9780345519856.html Random House page]

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Transformers: Exodus

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|writer=[[Alexander C. Irvine]]
|continuity=[[Transformers: Prime]] probably
|ISBN=ISBN 034551985X ISBN 978-0345519856
|pagecount=288
}}

'''The relationship between Orion Pax and Megatron before the war is explored. Also, enjoy meeting one of the original 13 Transformers.'''

==Synopsis==
{{comingsoon}}

==Featured characters==

*[[Orion Pax]]/Optimus Prime
*[[Megatron]]
*[[Sentinel Prime]]
*[[Starscream]]
*[[Omega Supreme]]
*One of the [[13 Original Transformers]]

== Quotes ==

== Notes ==

==References==
<references/>

==External links==
*[http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Exodus-Official-History-Cybertron/dp/034551985X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269529226&sr=8-1&tag=transformers-20 Amazon.com page]
*[http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl/9780345519856.html Random House page]

[[Category:Novels]]

Talk:Transformers: Exodus

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|writer=[[Alexander C. Irvine]]
|continuity=[[Transformers: Prime]] probably
|ISBN=ISBN 034551985X ISBN 978-0345519856
|pagecount=288
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'''The relationship between Orion Pax and Megatron before the war is explored. Also, enjoy meeting one of the original 13 Transformers.'''

==Synopsis==
{{comingsoon}}

==Featured characters==

== Quotes ==

== Notes ==

==References==
<references/>

==External links==
*[http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Exodus-Official-History-Cybertron/dp/034551985X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269529226&sr=8-1&tag=transformers-20 Amazon.com page]
*[http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl/9780345519856.html Random House page]

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Talk:Rotorstorm (G1)

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This guy has fiction appearances? TWW: Age of Wrath maybe? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 18:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

A force to be reconned with? [[User:24.200.115.209|24.200.115.209]] 15:12, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

:Ack, typo. Fixed. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

== IDW Appearance ==

Seriously, what the? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:07, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
:He's on the cover of the first issue of the upcoming ''Last Stand of the Wreckers''. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:05, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

== Time for a quote? ==

I wasn't sure if it would be jumping the gun or not, but there's a line in [http://fromthetip.blogspot.com/2010/03/and-guido-makes-three.html this preview] which is simply ''begging'' to be used here... --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 19:55, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

Nemesis Prime (Universe)

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{{disambig3|Nemesis Prime}}
:''Nemesis Prime is a [[Unicron]]-aligned [[Decepticon]] and later [[Autobot]] from the [[Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]] conflict.''

[[Image:Nemesisprimetfu.jpg|right|400px|thumb|WOOLLY BULLAAAY. Woolly bully.]]
A [[Herald of Unicron]], '''Nemesis Prime''' is a dark clone of an [[Optimus Prime (Balancing Act)|Optimus Prime]] from another dimension who was left for dead by [[Megazarak]] to rot on the shores of the [[Rust Sea]].<ref>Nemesis Prime's ''Universe'' profile</ref>

The Prime was cloned by [[Unicron]] and awoke slowly to the dark god's torture. Completely broken, this Prime is an eternal servant and begs for the consuming nothing of Unicron's victory over the multiverse. Anything is preferable to the flood of infinite suffering that is his existence.

His only weakness is what tiny, rotten portion is left of his honor. He carries the [[Dead Matrix]] within him, possibly the only thing that can kill Unicron's enemy, [[Primus]].

==Fiction==
===''Cybertron'' comic===
[[Image:Nemesisprimetfuclone.jpg|left|180px|thumb|A Habitrail, right through your twisted spark!]]
Nemesis Prime and [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] arrived via dimensional portal over an abandoned [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] threatened by the [[Unicron Singularity]]. Quickly, they attempted to amass followers to aid them in their attempt to unleash Nemesis Prime's [[Dead Matrix]] on [[Primus]]'s essence, allowing their master [[Unicron]] a posthumous victory.

Their first stop was [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]], where they found a pair of Decepticons, [[Jackhammer (Cybertron)|Jackhammer]] and [[Crush Groove]]. When the pair were unwilling to join them, Nemesis and Ramjet quickly dispatched them. Nemesis realized what was left of Cybertron's inhabitants were useless to them, and so Ramjet suggested they pay a visit to [[Alpha Trion (Energon)|Alpha Trion]] themselves.

Alpha Trion, deep within Cybertron with [[Vector Sigma]], was flanked by [[Vector Prime]] and [[Sentinel Maximus]]. Ramjet kept Vector Prime busy, and Sentinel Maximus was unable to prevent Nemesis Prime from grabbing Alpha Trion by the head and slamming him into Vector Sigma. After a blast from Ramjet, Alpha Trion and Vector Sigma both lay in ruins, and the two servants of Unicron made their escape. {{storylink|Balancing Act (issue)|Balancing Act Part 1}}

[[Image:Sentinelmaximusnemesis.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Don't worry, Nemesis. He never succeeds at anything.]]

Standing on the corpses of more destroyed Transformers, Nemesis Prime and Ramjet enlisted [[Scrapmetal (race)|Scrapmetal]] drones to interface with the planet's computer systems to find Primus' spark core chamber. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Part 2}} After Ramjet enlisted the [[Velocitron]]ian, [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]], with promises of telling of him about his forgotten past, {{storylink|Balancing Act, Part 3}} Nemesis Prime's search for the location of Primus' essence was finally complete. They found [[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]] guarding it, and Nemesis pinned him to the wall with one of his hip-harpoons. But Downshift had alerted Vector Prime and Sentinel Maximus, and the two Autobots arrived quickly to prevent them from reaching Primus' spark. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Part 4}}

[[Image:Deadmatrix.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Now dark our lightest hour!]]

Nemesis Prime found himself facing Sentinel Maximus again, and they battled each other while traveling down the hallway leading to the spark core chamber. Unfortunately for Sentinel, Nemesis was able to blast the tunnel behind him, leaving Sentinel alone with Primus' spark core. Wasting no time, Nemesis Prime revealed the Dark Matrix from his chest compartment, and its evil energies began filling the room. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Pt 5}}

However, Nemesis Prime was defeated by ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Ultra Magnus]], who were teleported to this Cybertron en route from the end of the [[Universe war]]. {{storylink|Revelations Part 1}} Nemesis Prime suffered heavy damage at the hands of Ultra Magnus and was sealed away inside an energon damping cell, while the Dead Matrix was locked away in the Archives. {{storylink|Revelations Part 2}}
{{-}}

===''Alternity''===
[[Image:Alternity nemesis vs megatron.jpg|right|250px|thumb]]

Nine hundred thousand years after Nemesis Prime was defeated in battle by the Autobots, he was inducted into the [[Alternity (species)|Alternity]], a race of highly-evolved Transformers who can travel the [[multiverse]] at will, healing his damaged mind with the enlightenment that this new state of being conferred. His "Vector - 704" [[Auto-avatar]], a black Nissan GT-R, allows him to blend in on modern-day Earth, where he aids the Alternity in their mission. He secretly wishes to take his revenge against Unicron, but he knows his current mission against the greater threat of [[Hytherion]] is more pressing. Because of his past, he is more ruthless in battle than his peers.<ref>''Alternity'' Convoy Super Black toy [[bio]]</ref>

After [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] gained powers equal to those of the Alternity by bonding himself to the hyper-dimensional beast known as Hytherion, Nemesis Prime battled one of the villains' Auto-avatars in a barren, burning landscape. Exploiting Megatron's unfamiliarity with higher-dimensional combat, Nemesis Prime easily trapped the Decepticon within a closed time-loop, where he was repeatedly struck by the same laser blast over and over again, until he was reduced to scrap. Following the battle, Nemesis Prime was approached by [[Protector]] [[Elita Seven]], who had been observing the fight and took issue with Prime's brutal methods. When she addressed him as a "deity", he told her to call him "Knight of Darkness" instead. {{storylink|Arch-Nemesis!}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===Universe===
[[Image:Universe2003toy-NemesisPrime.jpg|right|300px|thumb|We wouldn't have to steal photos of this guy if any of us could find all his errant kibble.]]
* '''Nemesis Prime''' (Ultra, 2004)

: Nemesis Prime is a redeco of [[Big Convoy]], released as a Target [[exclusive]] in 2004 as part of the ''[[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' line. He transforms into a woolly mammoth, with a "third mode" composed of robot weaponry emerging from the mammoth's hide. Concealed in the mammoth's head and back are a plasma pulse cannon and a semi-automatic fusion rocket launcher. His arms conceal blood-red painted battle tonfas, and his hips house variable-frequency Gatling lasers. Attached to his ankles are a pair of ordnance launchers, the quarrels of which Nemesis Prime has also used in melee combat. The front of the chest folds down to reveal the [[Dead Matrix]], which can be removed and pegged into Nemesis Prime's hands.

: Nemesis Prime is a renowned [[shellformer]].

: The instruction booklet had the transformation sequence going from beast mode to robot mode while the toy itself was packaged in robot mode. This, along with the fact that several parts were turned backwards to better fit into the box, made it a tad difficult to correctly transform for inexperienced Transformers fans.

:*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Decepticon/NemesisPrime/nemesisprime.htm More information on Nemesis Prime at TFU.info]''

{{-}}

===Alternity===
[[Image:Alternitytoy-ConvoySuperBlack.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Once I wasn't just every-evil-Optimus-Prime's colors.]]
* '''Convoy Super Black''' (2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''A-01'''

:A redeco of the mold already used to created ''[[Alternity]]'' "Convoy Ultimate Silver" and "Convoy Vibrant Red," Convoy Super Black transforms into a 1:32 scale Nissan GT-R, featuring die-cast metal parts and an opening hood, trunk and doors. This complex figure stands at 6.5" tall, and is armed with a pair of blasters on each arm.
{{-}}

==Notes==
* [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|''Alternators'' Nemesis Prime]]'s bio makes vague reference to that character's life force coming from an "extra-spatial power source of unheard of proportions." According to [[Forest Lee|the author]] of the bio, the power source was related to Unicron, and when [[Dr. Arkeville]] accessed it to animate his creation, he received a spark fragment from the cloning experiments that created ''this'' Nemesis Prime.{{fact}}

* Nemesis Prime and [[Optimus Prime (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime]] seemed to recognize one another on their first encounter. Nemesis probably recognized Optimus as a version of his former self, and Optimus probably mistook Nemesis as [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]]. Alternate universes are fun!

* Alternity Convoy Super Black is totally this guy. His packaging bio notes that he was a clone of a dead Prime, who was tortured for thousands of years by Unicron and made to serve him. Following his defeat by an [[Omega Prime|Autobot]], he was reformed.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://www.seibertron.com/vsd/character/nemesis-prime/3038 ''Universe'' Nemesis Prime's profile transcribed on Seibertron.com]

[[Category:Alternity characters]]
[[Category:Autobots]]
[[Category:Cybertron characters]]
[[Category:Decepticons]]
[[Category:Dimension hoppers]]
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Protectors

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#REDIRECT [[Protector]]

Talk:Rodimus (Energon)

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Question about [http://www.fantofan.jp/photo%20gallery/sl-blackrodimus.htm this], was Rodimus called Rodimus Convoy in Superlink? (The black recolor beign a Convoy caught my eye.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:13, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
: Google search says yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:31, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

This article needs to be rewritten from the ground up. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:37, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Dude, that image is WAY too damn huge. It takes up about 75% of the horizontal page space, which makes the page look terrible. 300~350 suffices just fine. If people want to see it bigger, they can CLICK on it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I accidently forgot to change it back while going through pixel sizes. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:47, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Rodimus left Cybertron only about 8000 years ago....Seems like anything can be a legend in Transformers almost immediately.
:LEGENDS OF RODIMUS--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 09:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

=="comics (once that's filled out more)"==
I wouldn't hold your breath. What's there is quite seriously all he does. I think he might get a line when he's standing around, but he's essentially a background character. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 15:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Didn't he go to Earth to shoot Terrorcons? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
::Not that I remember. It's certainly possible I missed it; a lot of otherwise-unused characters did show up for those battles. And the art isn't the most... distinct that's ever been seen in TF comics. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:08, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== Black Rodimus Convoy pic ==

i have a pic of this if youd like to use it. no idea where i got it from though. looks like the pic was taken at a toy show

== Protectors link? ==

Over in the page for [[Elita Seven]], it's noted that the symbol used by the [[Protectors]] seems to be inspired by her home timeline's Rodimus Convoy. Would that be worth mentioning in this page, despite a <s>super</s> link not being explicit in the ''[[Alternity]]'' fiction as of yet - or should it wait until or unless TakaraTomy add something more specific about him? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 15:19, 22 March 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)

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Talk:Megatron (SG)

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== Electronics ==

Have the electronics been stripped from his tank, or are they intact?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
: Stripped. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 23:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Have the electronics related panels been stripped from his instructions, or are they intact?--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Stripped. --[[User:Oboro maru|A ninja]] 17:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Galvatron ==
So is Galvatron [[Jesse Wittenrich]]'s brainchild? I sort of got that impression, but I don't think it's been said outright. I suppose I should just ask, since he's not hard to get ahold of. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:01, 25 December 2009 (EST)
:He [http://rid-nightviper.deviantart.com/journal/28905730/ stated on his DA journal] that he submitted the bio and the alternate mode, at least. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:09, 25 December 2009 (EST)
::Either way, I'm tempted to throw the image of his custom into the Trivia/Notes section. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:13, 25 December 2009 (EST)
:::In my opinion, the page is image-heavy enough as it is. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:22, 25 December 2009 (EST)

== Galvatron caption ==

What about, "Behold, next year's exclusive toy!" or "Nexus Prime creates the next year's exclusive toy!" or "The New Emperor of Destruction (crossed out) leader of the Decepticons is created by a Prime. Shattered Glass is crazy" or something like that or "Not confuse him with Robot Heroes Galvatron" /or Blackout".

I mean, OMG, I'm kitbashing my Blades because I love this Galvatron a lot. I mean, he is an HEROIC Galvatron, he's the most awesome thing I can think of and I just need to kitbash my Blades or subscribe to the club (it costs me like $100-150 just to get Dion, seems reasonable). It's ironic, because I really want HEROIC Galvatron.--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 23:27, 10 March 2010 (EST)
: How about you contribute some real content before deciding on what our captions should say? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:53, 10 March 2010 (EST)
:All right, get back to correcting spelling errors. Added some real content [[The Transformers: The Movie/dubs]], more content to come soon.--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 00:31, 11 March 2010 (EST)

== Galvatron's Motto ==
Does the bio for Galvatron include a motto - and if so, what would it be? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 00:03, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
:It does... though I don't know if it falls under "info that's OK to share" or not. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:11, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
::I see - though if it's not okay to state here, never mind. --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 00:14, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Megatron (SG)

2010-03-21T04:03:02Z

Nerroth: /* Galvatron's Motto */ new section

== Electronics ==

Have the electronics been stripped from his tank, or are they intact?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
: Stripped. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 23:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Have the electronics related panels been stripped from his instructions, or are they intact?--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Stripped. --[[User:Oboro maru|A ninja]] 17:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Galvatron ==
So is Galvatron [[Jesse Wittenrich]]'s brainchild? I sort of got that impression, but I don't think it's been said outright. I suppose I should just ask, since he's not hard to get ahold of. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:01, 25 December 2009 (EST)
:He [http://rid-nightviper.deviantart.com/journal/28905730/ stated on his DA journal] that he submitted the bio and the alternate mode, at least. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:09, 25 December 2009 (EST)
::Either way, I'm tempted to throw the image of his custom into the Trivia/Notes section. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:13, 25 December 2009 (EST)
:::In my opinion, the page is image-heavy enough as it is. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:22, 25 December 2009 (EST)

== Galvatron caption ==

What about, "Behold, next year's exclusive toy!" or "Nexus Prime creates the next year's exclusive toy!" or "The New Emperor of Destruction (crossed out) leader of the Decepticons is created by a Prime. Shattered Glass is crazy" or something like that or "Not confuse him with Robot Heroes Galvatron" /or Blackout".

I mean, OMG, I'm kitbashing my Blades because I love this Galvatron a lot. I mean, he is an HEROIC Galvatron, he's the most awesome thing I can think of and I just need to kitbash my Blades or subscribe to the club (it costs me like $100-150 just to get Dion, seems reasonable). It's ironic, because I really want HEROIC Galvatron.--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 23:27, 10 March 2010 (EST)
: How about you contribute some real content before deciding on what our captions should say? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:53, 10 March 2010 (EST)
:All right, get back to correcting spelling errors. Added some real content [[The Transformers: The Movie/dubs]], more content to come soon.--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 00:31, 11 March 2010 (EST)

== Galvatron's Motto ==

Does the bio for Galvatron include a motto - and if so, what would it be? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 00:03, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Rodimus Prime (Animated)

2010-03-21T02:55:35Z

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It isn't a spoiler to say that Rodimus survived the cosmic rust attack and is recovering? What if a fan (who wasn't at TFcon2009) is waiting to see what happens to him? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:34, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
:If it's something declared openly by a creator, then no, it's not a spoiler. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:46, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
It's my fault, I asked him that question at TFcon just to put an end to people thinking HE IS DEAD. It's Rodimus Prime people, they won't nix him. [[User:Protoman|Protoman]] 20:23, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
:Now that it never happened, what do we do with it? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:05, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
::He's in the lower right hand side of the crowd scene in Endgame, isn't he?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:53, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Sorta hard to say; given the amount of other coloring errors/generics in the picture its hard to know if its really supposed to be him or not. It does appear to be his model, though, and it's colored mostly right (the solid orange forearms throw it off)... Probably a case of mentioning that he "might have appeared". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:58, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
::::It's hard to say if he is there, I feel like Derrick said that only to not break my heart cause he knows how I am with Rodimus characters :P I dunno. I can't really make out anything that is 100% him in the crowd. Maybe we will get an IDW book that will answer the mystery (as well as other loose ends due to Endgame Part 2)[[User:Protoman|Protoman]] 20:59, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
::::If his forearm plating got rusted off, it would need to be replaced. Possibly with solid orange ones? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:22, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::The whole Wyatt Q and A is up now. If you want the "Rodimus is alive" part, jump to me asking it at 8:20. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oIlSbPMlG4 Also ignore any other parts with me, heh....... I was the liason for Wyatt's panel. [[User:Protoman|Protoman]] 01:21, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

== Prime ==

Could we get a citation for Rodimus being a Prime? I think it's behind a firewall. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:12, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
:Uh, the credits of "[[TransWarped]]" and [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 24|''Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club'' #24]]? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:22, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
::The credits of TransWarped just say "Rodimus", and the club mag isn't publicly available for all to cite. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:24, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
:::He's also the leader of his group of Autobots, which automatically makes him a Prime, since that's how rank works in Animated. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:49, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

==Minor?==
Wasn't he revealed at the Hasbro panel to be Rodimus Minor? --[[User:Vicious|Vicious]] 17:51, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, although I'd prefer we wait till we see the actual toy to confirm. The article's name will not be affected, as he's "Rodimus Prime" in the club bio. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:55, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
::Of course, I suppose we do have to be open to the possibility Forrest Lee will take advantage of the blank slate the character represents and write a conflicting bio.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:27, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Didn't Forrest have some involvement with the club bio? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:28, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
::::No, those bios were written by people on Animated's staff. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:20, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::And some of 'em ended up being more than a little nonsensical in the long run. For example, Blackout's.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:31, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
::I don't see what we need to wait for. Everything else from botcon is official. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:18, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
:::SDCC '09 panel seems to be confirming that he's not a Prime and that this is intentional.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:59, 23 July 2009 (EDT)
::::So if Rodimus is only named Prime in the club magazine and the toy names him Rodimus Minor, shouldn't Minor be his proper name then? [[Special:Contributions/81.77.22.87|81.77.22.87]] 05:31, 27 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Especially since Forrest Lee, as predicted, is writing the bio differently to have Rodimus be the first non-Prime to head a crew.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:00, 27 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::Well, given that the rank structure goes Minor -> Prime -> Magnus, wouldn't the logical assumption be that the Rodimus Minor toy represents the character at an earlier point in his career? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:02, 27 July 2009 (EDT)
"We know why he's Rodimus Minor. Trademark reasons." Am I missing something? Since when did trademark issues affect the name Rodimus Prime? -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 16:33, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
:I seriously doubt the toy is "Rodimus Minor" for trademark reasons. They must have wanted him to be "Rodimus Minor" for whatever reason. His bio may say more. Maybe because the meta-character has traditionally only been "Rodimus Prime" when leader of the Autobots. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:50, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
::...they couldn't go with just Rodimus? It's not like that's a name like Jazz or Prowl that needs a prefix or a suffix to enforce the copyright... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:51, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Well, y'know, like Jimsorenson posted above, the rank structure in Animated means they probably wanted him to be "Rodimus Minor" so he's not a total rookie but not yet a Prime either. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 17:04, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Hasbro tends to be very protective of the "Prime" title and doesn't want it spread too widely on characters who don't matter enough. Sentinel Prime and Vector Prime were prominent full-series characters, but Sentinel Maximus and Nexus Maximus turned out not to be. I could totally see them not wanting to Primify a character with like a Wave 8 toy who got 1 line of dialogue in his 3-minute show career. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 19:12, 9 September 2009 (EDT)

==Chosen One?==
Any idea where that line came from? I can't find anything about that blurb anywhere. Or is it just more of The Funny that I didn't get? [[Special:Contributions/76.252.20.175|76.252.20.175]] 12:29, 31 May 2009 (EDT)
:It's from his Club bio. --[[Special:Contributions/193.200.150.137|193.200.150.137]] 12:31, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

== Seiyuu choice? ==

Is there any word yet on who, if anyone, has been tapped to voice Rodimus in the Japanese dub?

(I [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/296738-figure-oh-transformers-animated-episode-guide-scan.html saw] that Junichi Suwabe will apparently voice Sentinel - though considering a certain other character Suwabe-san is well known for voicing, I'd love to hear him double up as the Autobot archer's ''seiyuu'', too...) --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 22:55, 20 March 2010 (EDT)

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2010-03-18T02:15:44Z

Nerroth: New page: Hi. ==Pages worked on== *Crash suits *Skywatch transport aircraft *Skywatch gunship

Hi.

==Pages worked on==

*[[Crash suits]]
*[[Skywatch transport aircraft]]
*[[Skywatch gunship]]

Starship

2010-03-17T21:03:59Z

Nerroth: /* Maximal starships */

A starship is any vehicle capable of interstellar movement, that is, travel between a system around one star to that of another. Starships are also the preferred travel between planets within a system, as they tend to have faster engines and roomier accommodations than smaller space-faring vehicles. In addition, starships have often been valued for their possession of valuable resources, such as energy, specialized fascilities, and weapons.

==G1 starships==
===Autobot starships===
*[[Aircraft carrier]]
*[[All-Terrain Turbo-Transport]]
*''[[Arc II]]''
*''[[Ark (G1)| Ark]]''
*''[[Ark II]]''
*''[[Ark-19]]''
*''[[Ark-27]]''
*''[[Ark-32]]''
*''[[Calabi-Yau]]''
*''[[Darkstar]]''
*''[[Eight Track]]''
*''[[Graviton (Classics)|Graviton]]''
*[[Interstellar shuttle]]
*''[[Jonagar]]''
*''[[Longshot]]''
*''[[Mirror-Manifold]]''
*''[[Nightbird (ship)|Nightbird]]''
*''[[OTFCC (ship)|OTFCC]]''
*''[[Skyfire (ship)|Skyfire]]''
*''[[Sojourner's Passage]]''
*''[[Steelhaven (G1)|Steelhaven]]''

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
*[[Big Powered]]
*[[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]]
*[[Cloudburst]]
*[[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]]
*[[Dai Atlas (G1)|Dai Atlas]]
*[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]
*[[Galaxy Shuttle]]
*[[Grand Maximus]]
*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]
*[[Sky Garry (G1)|Sky Garry]]
*[[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]]
*[[Xantium]]

===Decepticon starships===
*[[Club Con]]
*''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]''
*''[[Revenge (G1)|Revenge]]''
*[[Scorponok's ship]]
*''[[Thanatos]]''
*''[[Thunder Arrow]]''
*''[[Warworld]]''
*''[[Victory (ship)|Victory]]''

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]
*[[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]]
*[[Dreadwing (G1)|Dreadwing]]
*[[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]

===Quintesson starships===
*''[[Trident]]'' Attack Craft
*''[[Paradigm]]''

===Cybertronian Empire starships===
*''[[Twilight (G2)|Twilight]]''
*''[[Sabre]]''

===Human starships===
*''[[Lazy Sue]]''
*''[[Solaris]]''

===Other vehicles===
*''[[Amory]]''
*[[Deathbringer (species)|Deathbringer]] Ship
*''[[Minnow]]''
*[[Mecannibals' Ship]]
*[[Nebulan Ship]]
*[[Rockeroid]]
*[[Tyroxian space transport]]

==Beast Wars starships==
===Maximal starships===
*''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]''
*''[[Chromia 10]]''
*''[[Gung Ho]]''
*''[[Nanatsunoko]]''
*''[[Seagull]]''
*''[[Yukikaze (BWII)|Yukikaze]]''
*[[The Pack]]'s transwarp cruiser

===Predacon starships===
*''[[Darksyde]]''
*''[[Dinosaur (ship)|Dinosaur]]''
*''[[Galvaburg II]]''
*''[[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]]''
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]'s [[transwarp cruiser]]

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
*[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]
*[[Majin Zarak]]

===Other vehicles===
*[[Botanica's ship]]
*''[[Autobot Shuttle Omega Delta|Omega Delta]]''
*[[Starhopper]]

==Robots in Disguise starships==
===Autobot starships===
'''Characters who transform into starships'''
*[[Fortress Maximus (RID)|Fortress Maximus]]

===Decepticon starships===
*''[[Megastar]]''

==Unicron Trilogy starships==
===Autobot starships===
*''[[Axalon (Armada)|Axalon]]''
*''[[Azusa]]''
*''[[DieCast]]''
*''[[Eclipse]]''
*''[[Flash Frenzy]]''
*''[[Hyperion (Armada)|Hyperion]]''
*''[[Iron Hope]]''
*''[[Longbow]]''
*''[[Miranda II]]''
*''[[Spanner (ship)|Spanner]]''
*''[[Star Arrow]]''
*''[[Valiant]]''

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]]
*[[Overcast (Energon)|Overcast]]
*[[Vector Prime]]

===Decepticon starships===
*''[[Doomsday]]''
*''[[Hydra Cannon]]''
*''[[Kalis' Lament]]''
*''[[Sea Slag]]''
*''[[Upstart]]''

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
*[[Astrotrain (Timelines)|Astrotrain]]
*[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]
*[[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]]

===Mini-Con starships===
*''[[Exodus (Armada)|Exodus]]''
*[[Mini-Con Ark]]

===Colony starships===
*''[[Ark (Cybertron)|Ark]]''
*''[[Atlantis]]''
*''[[Hyperborea]]''
*''[[Lemuria (Cybertron)|Lemuria]]''
*''[[Ogygia]]''

==Movie Starships==
{{note|All Transformers can travel through space by reverting to a [[protoform]] and transforming into a [[transition form]].}}

===Unaffiliated Cybertronian Starships===
'''Characters who transform into starships'''
*[[Seeker (ROTF)|Seekers]]
===Autobot Starships===
*''[[Ark (Movie)|Ark]]''

===Decepticon Starships===
*[[Nemesis (Movie)|''Nemesis'' (Movie)]]
*[[Nemesis (ROTF)|''Nemesis'' (ROTF)]]

*[[The Fallen]]
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]

===Human Starships===
*''[[Ghost 1]]''

==Animated Starships==
===Autobot Starships===
*''[[Teletran-1]]''
*The [[Steelhaven (Animated)|''Steelhaven'']]

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
*[[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]]

===Decepticon Starships===
*''[[Nemesis (Animated)|Nemesis]]''
*''[[Twilight (Animated)|Twilight]]''

'''Characters who transform into starships'''
*[[Lugnut Supreme]]

===Unaffiliated Starships===
*''[[Death's Head (Animated)|Death's Head]]''

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