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Vollet

2021-01-15T05:29:58Z

NovaSaber:

{{Factions|autobot}}
:''Vollet is a [[Godmaster (lifeform)|Godmaster]] [[human]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Tapestry Bullet.jpg|thumb|200px|The sea of space is my sea.]]
'''Vollet''' (ボレット ''Boretto'') is an [[Autobot]]-allied [[Masterforce Warrior]], a human in a Cybertron-made suit of armor that allows him to transform into an engine and control compatible [[transtector]] bodies.

==Fiction==
===''Legends'' comic===
Vollet was among the [[Master (planet)|Master]] warriors who discovered the [[Godmaster (lifeform)|Godmaster]] [[transtector]]s in [[G Nebula 89]] only to bear witness to [[Devil Z]] stealing them. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 35|Bonus Edition Vol. 35}}

==Toys==
===Super-God Masterforce===
[[Image:MF-toy Bullet-robot.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Graze me, you know you want to.]]
*'''Vollet''' (Masterforce Warrior, 1988)

: Vollet is a blue and red [[redeco]] of the [[Powermaster]] [[Nebulan]] [[Lube#Generation 1|Lube]]. He was sold in a small box in Japan as part of the ''Masterforce'' series, along with the other separate Godmaster engines [[Aquastar#Super-God Masterforce|Aquastar]] and [[Zetca#Super-God Masterforce|Zetca]].

: This mold as also used to make the Godmaster engine form of [[Road King#Super-God Masterforce|Road King]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1988/Cybertron/Bullet/bullet.htm More information on Vollet at TFU.info]''

==Notes==
*Vollet is often identified in Western fandom as "Bullet". However, this does not match the original Japanese ''Boretto'' (ボレット); "bullet" is transliterated into Japanese as ''baretto'' (バレット). ''Boretto'', like [[Zetca]], is taken from a previous licensed toyline made by [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]—in this case, ''{{w|Space Pirate Captain Harlock|Captain Harlock}}''. Takara's series features spaceships in the ''Boretto'' series, whose toys are labeled in Latin letters as "Bullet". However, romanization on later toys and packaging renders this word as "Vollet" to better match its origins as a made-up sci-fi word.

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[[Category:Legends Autobots]]
[[Category:Legends humans]]
[[Category:Super-God Masterforce Autobots]]
[[Category:Super-God Masterforce humans]]

Mazinger Z versus Transformers

2019-04-01T05:25:53Z

NovaSaber: /* Featured characters */

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|japanese=マジンガーZ 対トランスフォーマー
|romaji=Majingā zetto tai Toransufōmā
|publisher=[[Villagebooks]]
|date=[[March 28]], [[2019]]
|written by=[[Yūjin Ishikawa]] (Plot), [[Naoto Tsushima]] (Script)
|art by=[[Yū Kinutani]] (Prologue and Epilogue), [[Hayato Sakamoto]] (Chapter 1), [[Hidetsugu Yoshioka]] (Chapter 2), [[Kazumi Hoshi]] (Chapter 3), [[Naoyuki Fujisawa]] (Chapter 4), [[Naoto Tsushima]] (Chapter 5)
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'''When a spacetime warp sends the Autobots and Decepticons to the Japan of another dimension, they get involved in Mazinger Z's fight against Dr. Hell and Baron Ashura.'''

==Synopsis==

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==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (5)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (22)
*[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (23)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (24)
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]](25)
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (26)
*[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (27)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (33)
*[[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (34)
*[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] (35)
*[[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] (36)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] (64)

|c2=
*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]] (10)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (11)
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] (12)
*[[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] (13)
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream/Mazinscream]] (14)
*[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (15)
*[[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]] (16)
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (17)
*[[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] (18)
*[[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] (19)
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (20)
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (21)
*[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (46)
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (47)
*[[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] (48)
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] (55)

|h3=[[Photon Power Laboratory]]|c3=
*[[Mazinger Z]] (6)
*[[Kouji Kabuto]] (9)
*[[Boss Borot]] (28)
*[[Boss (Mazinger Z)|Boss]] (29)
*[[Nuke]] (30)
*[[Mucha]] (31)
*[[Shiro Kabuto]] (32)
*[[Aphrodite A]] (44)
*[[Professors Morimori]] (49)
*[[Professors Nossori]] (50)
*[[Professors Sewashi]] (51)
*[[Sayaka Yumi]] (52)
*[[Dr. Yumi]] (53)

|h4=[[Underground Empire]]|c4=
*[[Dian D-0]] (7)
*[[Baron Ashura]] (8)
*[[Dagia D-0]] (37)
*[[Daieye D7]] (38)
*[[Spinner D9]] (39)
*[[Stinger D8]] (40)
*[[Dr. Hell]] (41)
*[[Garada K7]] (42)
*[[Doublas M2]] (43)
*[[Dogura Magura]] (45)
*[[Frynidler D-11]] (54)
*[[Stealth Stinger D-11]] (56)
*[[Dagia D-1]] (57)
*[[Shielder D-5]] (58)
*[[Queen D-9]] (59)
*[[Dinokiva]] (60)
*[[Skullwave D-4]] (61)
*[[Poisongama]] (62)
and some unnamed Mechanical Beasts.

|h5=Others|c5=
*Mystery of hood person (1-4)
*[[Great Mazinger]] (63)
}}

==Quotes==

==Notes==
===Transformers references===
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===Mazinger Z references===
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===Errors===
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===Other trivia===
*

===Creative team===
The series is plotted by [[Yūjin Ishikawa]], written by [[Naoto Tsushima]], and drawn by a team consisting of [[Yū Kinutani]], [[Hayato Sakamoto]], [[Hidetsugu Yoshioka]], [[Kazumi Hoshi]], [[Naoyuki Fujisawa]], and Naoto Tsushima. Cover art is provided by original ''Mazinger Z'' author [[Go Nagai]] and gallery art is provided by [[Shinobu Kaze]], [[Tsuyoshi Nonaka]], [[Yuki Ohshima]], and [[Fumitaka Isao]].

===Covers (4)===
*'''Normal Cover''': Art by [[Go Nagai]].
*'''Shop exclusive cover A''': Art by [[Shinobu Kaze]]. Produced exclusively for the [https://mamegyorai.jp/net/default.aspx Mamegyorai] and [https://www.shosen.co.jp/ Shosen book tower].
*'''Shop exclusive cover B''': Art by [[Yuki Ohshima]]. Produced exclusively for the [http://versecomics.jp/ verse COMICS] and [http://blistercomics.jp/?mode=grp&gid=2006960 BLISTER comics].
*'''Amazon exclusive cover''': Art by [[Tsuyoshi Nonaka]]. Produced exclusively for the [https://www.amazon.co.jp/ Amazon.co.jp].

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==External links==
*[https://villagebooks.net/mztf_news/ Announcement]

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[[Category:Crossovers]]
[[Category:Manga]]

Dark Nova

2019-03-29T20:59:50Z

NovaSaber: /* Notes */ let's just avoid the "a use"/"an use" issue by using a less vague word

{{faction|decepticon}}
:''Dark Nova is a weird alien thingy from the [[Transformers: Return of Convoy (franchise)|Return of Convoy]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:DarkNova3.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Bossa Nova!!]]
'''Dark Nova''' (ダークノヴァ ''Dāku Nova'') is a mysterious supernatural entity from outer space who sides with the [[Decepticon]]s against the [[Autobot]]s.

Known as the [[Emperor of Destruction|Ultimate Emperor]], Dark Nova revived [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]], upgrading him into [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Super Megatron]] and then Ultra Megatron, and later merged with him to become the '''Star Giant''' (星の巨人 ''Hoshi no Kyojin''). He commands armies of [[Novaroid]] drones and [[Galaman]] troopers, which make up the bulk of his forces.

==Fiction==
===Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''Legends'' comic (1)====
{{charstubfiction}}

====''The Battlestars'' manga and story pages====
Almost immediately following the defeat of [[Violen Jiger]], Dark Nova rose to take his place as [[Decepticon]] [[Emperor of Destruction|Emperor]] and began unleashing his hordes of [[Galaman]] warriors upon the universe. [[Autobot]] [[Supreme Commander]] [[Dai Atlas (Zone)|Dai Atlas]] realized that the only one capable of defeating Dark Nova was [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and ordered the [[Battlestars]] to use the [[Zodiac]] to revive the legendary commander. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 10}} {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (story page)|The Battlestars Part 1}}

To thwart the Battlestars, Dark Nova stole the body of Optimus Prime and cloned it as the sinister [[False Convoy]]. With the help of [[Grandus (ROC)|Grandus]], the Battlestars defeated False Convoy. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (story page)|The Battlestars Part 3}} The Battlestars then invaded the Decepticon planet [[Lucifer]], rescued Prime's body and used the Zodiac to resurrect him as Star Convoy. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (story page)|The Battlestars Part 4}}

[[Image:StarGiantRobot1.jpg|left|250px|thumb|''Bossa Nova''?]]

To counter the threat of Star Convoy, Dark Nova did one better: He beamed a blast of weird energy down to the frozen corpse of [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] in the North Pole, resurrecting and upgrading him into [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Super Megatron]]. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (story page)|The Battlestars Part 6}} From the [[Dark Nebula]], Dark Nova snickered with glee as Super Megatron led the Galaman forces in raiding the Earth of all its energy. Super Megatron was subsequently driven from the planet by Star Convoy. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (manga)|The Battlestars special}}

Eventually, Star Convoy defeated Super Megatron, resulting in Dark Nova providing another upgrade, this time into Ultra Megatron. Dark Nova then revealed himself to aid Ultra Megatron in battle. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (story page)|The Battlestars Part 8}} Ultra Megatron was ultimately defeated as well. Irritated, Dark Nova merged with Ultra Megatron, resulting in the Star Giant. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (story page)|The Battlestars Part 9}} He proved nearly indestructible from the outside, so Star Convoy, [[Grandus (ROC)|Grandus]] and [[Sky Garry (ROC)|Sky Garry]] allowed themselves to be eaten. Inside the Star Giant's tummy, they began tearing him apart. After doing a fatal amount of damage, the trio escaped just as the Star Giant detonated. The only piece of the Star Giant which survived the explosion was a portion of his head, which happened to be housing the remains of Ultra Megatron, allowing the Emperor of Destruction to survive. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (story page)|The Battlestars Part 10}}

====''Legends'' comic (2)====
When [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] paid a visit to the [[Legends World]], the [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] of that universe didn't recognize him. [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] was more than happy to give the outsider Megatron's life story, including that time he was merged with Dark Nova and turned into the Star Giant. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 13|Bonus Edition Vol. 13}}
{{-}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
In [[Primax 092.0 Beta]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Ask Vector Prime|Star Convoy]] and [[Hot Rod (G1)#Fire Rodimus|Fire Rodimus]] formed Supernova Convoy to defeat Star Giant and Ultra Megatron. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/15}}

Known liar and [[Herald of Unicron]] [[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] claimed to know enough about Dark Nova to not mess with him. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Ask Sideways|Ask Sideways, 2015/07/07}} Surprisingly enough, he might have actually been telling the truth on this one.

==Notes==
[[Image:DarkNovaRobot1.jpg|right|225px|thumb|Er... Chevy Nova?]]

*In the second toy catalog [[story page]], Dark Nova's robot mode made its one and only appearance in ''Return of Convoy'' (and in an itty-bitty picture, at that). This mode was never used in the story pages published in ''[[TV Magazine]]''. Additionally, this story page shows Dark Nova being defeated in an altogether different way: Ripped in two by Star Convoy as the Autobot drives over him in truck mode.
*"Hoshi no Kyojin" (星の巨人), the Japanese characters from which the "Star Giant" name derive, appear to be an intentional reversal of "Kyojin no Hoshi" (巨人の星), which is the title of a classic Japanese baseball manga and anime (otherwise known as ''{{w|Star of the Giants}}''). This may actually be a reference to Japanese Megatron voice actor [[Seizō Katō]], who played main character Ittetsu Hoshi in that TV series.

===Connection with Unicron===
[[Image:DarkNovaCron1.jpg|left|225px|thumb|Excellent!]]

Prior to 2019, absolutely no origin or back story of any kind had ever been established for Dark Nova. Where he came from, why he sided with the Decepticons and whether he has ''any'' connection to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and the Transformers at all remains a complete mystery. Neither the story pages printed in ''[[TV Magazine]]'' nor the ''Battlestars'' manga elaborate upon the character in any substantial way.

Other material, however, implies some sort of connection between Dark Nova and [[Unicron]], but the extent of such a relationship is unclear. The first ''Battlestars'' story page published in the toy catalogs used a spectral image of Unicron to represent Dark Nova. However, when Dark Nova appeared in the second toy catalog story page, he boasted a completely original design. Neither story page mentions Unicron by name in the actual text, further muddying any relationship between the characters.

Officially, however, the uncertain connection between Unicron and Dark Nova was acknowledged by the [[Generation 1 cartoon timeline (Japan)/src#After 2025|Japanese timeline]] included with the ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)|Kiss Players]]'' manga. In the ''Battlestars'' segment of the timeline, a note is included, stating: "The Great Emperor Dark Nova, who looks very similar to Unicron, appears". Beyond that vague sentence, no further explanation is offered.

In the actual ''Battlestars'' fiction, one can pick out either intentional or coincidental similarities between Dark Nova and Unicron. Dark Nova displays the ability to resurrect and upgrade Transformers with beams of pure energy, much as Unicron did in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. The fact that the Transformer receiving these upgrades and placed into Dark Nova's servitude is Galvatron may not be an accident. And in addition to that, Dark Nova meets his end in a fashion almost identical to Unicron's: The Autobots travel inside his body, fight off his defense mechanisms and destroy him from within, with only Dark Nova's head surviving the explosion.

This would be resolved [[retcon|long after the fact]] in the fiction of ''[[Transformers Legends (comic)|Legends]]'', which established Dark Nova as a member of the [[Vok]], and his appropriation of Unicron's appearance as evoking his fearsome reputation among Transformers in a callback to "[[Other Voices, Part 1]]".

[[Category:Decepticon leaders]]
[[Category:Emperors]]
[[Category:Fiction-only characters]]
[[Category:Japanese-original characters]]
[[Category:Legends Decepticons]]
[[Category:Return of Convoy Decepticons]]
[[Category:Unicron-related characters]]
[[Category:Vok]]

Dark Nova

2019-03-29T20:42:56Z

NovaSaber: /* Notes */

{{faction|decepticon}}
:''Dark Nova is a weird alien thingy from the [[Transformers: Return of Convoy (franchise)|Return of Convoy]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:DarkNova3.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Bossa Nova!!]]
'''Dark Nova''' (ダークノヴァ ''Dāku Nova'') is a mysterious supernatural entity from outer space who sides with the [[Decepticon]]s against the [[Autobot]]s.

Known as the [[Emperor of Destruction|Ultimate Emperor]], Dark Nova revived [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]], upgrading him into [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Super Megatron]] and then Ultra Megatron, and later merged with him to become the '''Star Giant''' (星の巨人 ''Hoshi no Kyojin''). He commands armies of [[Novaroid]] drones and [[Galaman]] troopers, which make up the bulk of his forces.

==Fiction==
===Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''Legends'' comic (1)====
{{charstubfiction}}

====''The Battlestars'' manga and story pages====
Almost immediately following the defeat of [[Violen Jiger]], Dark Nova rose to take his place as [[Decepticon]] [[Emperor of Destruction|Emperor]] and began unleashing his hordes of [[Galaman]] warriors upon the universe. [[Autobot]] [[Supreme Commander]] [[Dai Atlas (Zone)|Dai Atlas]] realized that the only one capable of defeating Dark Nova was [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and ordered the [[Battlestars]] to use the [[Zodiac]] to revive the legendary commander. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 10}} {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (story page)|The Battlestars Part 1}}

To thwart the Battlestars, Dark Nova stole the body of Optimus Prime and cloned it as the sinister [[False Convoy]]. With the help of [[Grandus (ROC)|Grandus]], the Battlestars defeated False Convoy. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (story page)|The Battlestars Part 3}} The Battlestars then invaded the Decepticon planet [[Lucifer]], rescued Prime's body and used the Zodiac to resurrect him as Star Convoy. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (story page)|The Battlestars Part 4}}

[[Image:StarGiantRobot1.jpg|left|250px|thumb|''Bossa Nova''?]]

To counter the threat of Star Convoy, Dark Nova did one better: He beamed a blast of weird energy down to the frozen corpse of [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] in the North Pole, resurrecting and upgrading him into [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Super Megatron]]. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (story page)|The Battlestars Part 6}} From the [[Dark Nebula]], Dark Nova snickered with glee as Super Megatron led the Galaman forces in raiding the Earth of all its energy. Super Megatron was subsequently driven from the planet by Star Convoy. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (manga)|The Battlestars special}}

Eventually, Star Convoy defeated Super Megatron, resulting in Dark Nova providing another upgrade, this time into Ultra Megatron. Dark Nova then revealed himself to aid Ultra Megatron in battle. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (story page)|The Battlestars Part 8}} Ultra Megatron was ultimately defeated as well. Irritated, Dark Nova merged with Ultra Megatron, resulting in the Star Giant. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (story page)|The Battlestars Part 9}} He proved nearly indestructible from the outside, so Star Convoy, [[Grandus (ROC)|Grandus]] and [[Sky Garry (ROC)|Sky Garry]] allowed themselves to be eaten. Inside the Star Giant's tummy, they began tearing him apart. After doing a fatal amount of damage, the trio escaped just as the Star Giant detonated. The only piece of the Star Giant which survived the explosion was a portion of his head, which happened to be housing the remains of Ultra Megatron, allowing the Emperor of Destruction to survive. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (story page)|The Battlestars Part 10}}

====''Legends'' comic (2)====
When [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] paid a visit to the [[Legends World]], the [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] of that universe didn't recognize him. [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] was more than happy to give the outsider Megatron's life story, including that time he was merged with Dark Nova and turned into the Star Giant. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 13|Bonus Edition Vol. 13}}
{{-}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
In [[Primax 092.0 Beta]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Ask Vector Prime|Star Convoy]] and [[Hot Rod (G1)#Fire Rodimus|Fire Rodimus]] formed Supernova Convoy to defeat Star Giant and Ultra Megatron. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/15}}

Known liar and [[Herald of Unicron]] [[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] claimed to know enough about Dark Nova to not mess with him. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Ask Sideways|Ask Sideways, 2015/07/07}} Surprisingly enough, he might have actually been telling the truth on this one.

==Notes==
[[Image:DarkNovaRobot1.jpg|right|225px|thumb|Er... Chevy Nova?]]

*In the second toy catalog [[story page]], Dark Nova's robot mode made its one and only appearance (and in an itty-bitty picture, at that). This mode was never used in the story pages published in ''[[TV Magazine]]''. Additionally, this story page shows Dark Nova being defeated in an altogether different way: Ripped in two by Star Convoy as the Autobot drives over him in truck mode.
*"Hoshi no Kyojin" (星の巨人), the Japanese characters from which the "Star Giant" name derive, appear to be an intentional reversal of "Kyojin no Hoshi" (巨人の星), which is the title of a classic Japanese baseball manga and anime (otherwise known as ''{{w|Star of the Giants}}''). This may actually be a reference to Japanese Megatron voice actor [[Seizō Katō]], who played main character Ittetsu Hoshi in that TV series.

===Connection with Unicron===
[[Image:DarkNovaCron1.jpg|left|225px|thumb|Excellent!]]

Prior to 2019, absolutely no origin or back story of any kind had ever been established for Dark Nova. Where he came from, why he sided with the Decepticons and whether he has ''any'' connection to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and the Transformers at all remains a complete mystery. Neither the story pages printed in ''[[TV Magazine]]'' nor the ''Battlestars'' manga elaborate upon the character in any substantial way.

Other material, however, implies some sort of connection between Dark Nova and [[Unicron]], but the extent of such a relationship is unclear. The first ''Battlestars'' story page published in the toy catalogs used a spectral image of Unicron to represent Dark Nova. However, when Dark Nova appeared in the second toy catalog story page, he boasted a completely original design. Neither story page mentions Unicron by name in the actual text, further muddying any relationship between the characters.

Officially, however, the uncertain connection between Unicron and Dark Nova was acknowledged by the [[Generation 1 cartoon timeline (Japan)/src#After 2025|Japanese timeline]] included with the ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)|Kiss Players]]'' manga. In the ''Battlestars'' segment of the timeline, a note is included, stating: "The Great Emperor Dark Nova, who looks very similar to Unicron, appears". Beyond that vague sentence, no further explanation is offered.

In the actual ''Battlestars'' fiction, one can pick out either intentional or coincidental similarities between Dark Nova and Unicron. Dark Nova displays the ability to resurrect and upgrade Transformers with beams of pure energy, much as Unicron did in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. The fact that the Transformer receiving these upgrades and placed into Dark Nova's servitude is Galvatron may not be an accident. And in addition to that, Dark Nova meets his end in a fashion almost identical to Unicron's: The Autobots travel inside his body, fight off his defense mechanisms and destroy him from within, with only Dark Nova's head surviving the explosion.

This would be resolved [[retcon|long after the fact]] in the fiction of ''[[Transformers Legends (comic)|Legends]]'', which established Dark Nova as a member of the [[Vok]], and his appropriation of Unicron's appearance as a use of his fearsome reputation among Transformers in a callback to "[[Other Voices, Part 1]]".

[[Category:Decepticon leaders]]
[[Category:Emperors]]
[[Category:Fiction-only characters]]
[[Category:Japanese-original characters]]
[[Category:Legends Decepticons]]
[[Category:Return of Convoy Decepticons]]
[[Category:Unicron-related characters]]
[[Category:Vok]]

Liege Maximo

2019-03-29T01:06:06Z

NovaSaber: /* IDW Generation 1 continuity */

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{{factions|liegemaximo|cybEmpireG2}}

[[File:Liegemaximo.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Here I go again on my throne.]]
Evil is infinite, a natural counterforce to good in the universe that cannot be truly defeated. When the [[Prima|first Prime]] was created, so was, necessarily, the '''Liege Maximo''', the robot who now considers himself his opposite, the ultimate evil.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 continuity family===
====Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic====
From the Liege Maximo were [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] and the [[Decepticon]]s descended. The Liege Maximo's throne sat at the [[Hub (G2)|Hub]], a network of planetoids created by the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]] that existed in the outer fringes of known space.

With the [[Liege Centuro]] [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] destroyed, Jhiaxus's fleet wiped out by [[Swarm (G2)|The Swarm]], and the [[Autobot]]s and Decepticons united in peace under one banner, [[Rook (G2)|Rook]] reported to the Liege Maximo on the day's devastating events. The Liege Maximo, an ancient and monumental titan, accepted the destruction of Jhiaxus's forces as merely a minor disruption. Sneering at the Transformers' alliance as a fragile thing, the Liege Maximo promised a day of reckoning. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!|A Rage in Heaven!}}

=====Alignment=====
{{note|"Alignment" was written by [[Simon Furman]] without permission of [[Hasbro]] and is included here as [[pseudocanon]] to provide insight into [[authorial intent]].}}
Liege Maximo was one of the [[Thirteen|thirteen original Transformers]] created by [[Primus]]. Unlike his fellows, he had chosen not to [[Reproduction|subdivide]] repeatedly, doing so only selectively. This created a small taint in the Transformer race which spread through subsequent generations, ultimately flowering with the rise of the Decepticons. Because of this sparse sub-division, the Liege Maximo's connection to the divine origins of the Transformer race was comparatively undiluted, and he sought to embrace it. To this end, he instructed Jhiaxus and the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]] to subject various planets to [[eco-structuring]]. These planets were steadily woven together to form the Hub, a massive, resonating structure that would allow him to ascend to the realm of the gods. Two Transformer groups, one led by [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] and one by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]], disrupted this process by forcing the Liege to leave his corporeal body, then destroying both it and his portal. Left with nowhere to go, the Liege Maximo's essence dissipated, and he was destroyed. {{storylink|Alignment}}

=====Ask Vector Prime=====
In [[Primax 490.0 Gamma]], the Maximo actually became a heroic figure: Unicron devouring Cybertron had caused Primus's essence to be scattered among the surviving Transformers, most of whom were now the Cybertronian Empire. The Liege Maximo would lead this reformed army and the survivors of Cybertron against Unicron, finally battling the Chaos Bringer himself on the astral plane. He saved this reality at the cost of his own spark. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/24}}

In [[Primax 994.0 Gamma]], the Liege Maximo's plot for ascension was foiled by the Autobots, prompting Liege Centuro [[Firecrest]] to move the remnants of the Cybertronian Empire to [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/05}}

====3H comics====
The [[Covenant (group)|Covenant]] witnessed a vision of the ancient past, in which the Liege Maximo tore the [[Matrix of Leadership]] from the defeated [[Primon]]. When and why this happened remain unanswered questions. {{storylink|Covenant (story)|Covenant}}

Centuries later, in a future timeline when Cybertron was ruled by a tyrant named [[Shokaract]], a [[Maximal]] resistance leader known simply as "the [[Swoop (G1)|Veteran]]" reminisced about other tyrants who had come and gone over the years preceding Shokaract's rule. Among these past tyrants was the Liege Maximo. {{storylink|Schism (story)|Schism}}

====IDW 2005 continuity====
{{first|[[The Crucible|''Robots in Disguise'' #34]] (mentioned); [[Rubicon|''Till All Are One'' #8]] (depicted)}}

[[File:OriginMyths-OnyxPrimeAndLiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|right|250px]]

Approximately twelve million years ago, in the primitive era following the departure of the [[Knights of Cybertron]] from their homeworld, Liege Maximo rose to become the monarch of the [[Forgotten Plains]], slaying [[Imperator Maximo]] and [[Praetus Maximo]] to consolidate his power, {{storylink|Origin Myths}} while gathering an army of bestial followers who became known as the "[[Maximal]]s". {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 5: Endless Forever|Endless Forever}}

At some point, Liege Maximo came into contact with the bestial "[[Onyx Prime]]", and formed an alliance with the so-called [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]; {{storylink|Origin Myths}} however, Liege Maximo had not yet learned the truth about his new ally: "Onyx Prime" was a convenient alias for a time-travelling [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW 2005 continuity|Shockwave]], who had set himself a new mission: to raise a permanent [[Decepticon Empire]] by manipulating all of Cybertron's history. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} {{storylink|Unicron issue 1|Unicron #1}}

Through a combination of [[shadowplay]] and manipulation Onyx molded the silver-tongued Liege Maximo into the figure that history would later remember; among Shockwave's modifications were psychic barriers akin to Shockwave's own, so that telepathic [[Outlier (group)|outliers]] could not read his mind. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}} Liege Maximo became an ally of "Onyx", even granting him control over his Maximals and granting them the ability to assume animalistic shapes to enhance Onyx's reputation as the "lord of beasts". {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 5: Endless Forever|Endless Forever}} {{storylink|Stranger Eons}}

By the time that Onyx began enacting his ultimate scheme in earnest, he had already groomed another Cybertronian into the dreaded warrior [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] to provide the primitive planet with a threat to unify against. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} In service of this plan, Onyx and Liege Maximo travelled to the village that would one day become the [[Crystal City]], fabricating a story that Liege had lost his kingdom to Megatronus and his hordes of [[Darklands|Darklander]]s. Onyx introduced him to four Primes, who were deeply unimpressed with him; despite their apprehensions, the group decided to unite, pitting their warriors, joined by the Maximals, against the marauding Darklanders. When their fighting summoned a trio of [[Titan (group)|Titans]] from beneath the surface of Cybertron, the warring factions made peace and all eight Primes agreed to join forces to govern their world. {{storylink|Origin Myths}}

In the age that followed, Liege Maximo became one of the [[Thirteen]], a coalition of Primes who jointly ruled Cybertron. {{storylink|The Crucible}} Each Prime attracted like-minded followers, and the silver-tongued Liege Maximo and his new group of devotees developed a reputation as charismatic diplomats, working to consolidate alliances between the groups. {{storylink|Heavy}} Like the other members of the Thirteen, Liege Maximo won the loyalty of a Titan; in his case, he allied with the mighty warrior [[Vigilem]]. {{storylink|Rubicon}} Unbeknownst to the other members of the Thirteen, Onyx had already turned his attention to destabilizing their alliance—just as history had foretold. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

Cybertronian history would later claim that Maximo had come to realize that a helpful lie could be more useful than a harmful truth, a sentiment that would spread to his followers. {{storylink|Heavy}} How much of this change of heart was due to Onyx's influence is debatable; by the time that Liege Maximo had fully embraced this talent for manipulation, Megatronus had fallen out of favor with their leader [[Prima]] after a disastrous offworld expedition. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} Maximo formed an alliance with Onyx's other pawn, {{storylink|Heavy}} and, on Shockwave's instructions, encouraged him to launch a public coup against their leader. [[Solus Prime]] was slain, and this betrayal would ignite the conflict known as the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]], turning the Thirteen and their tribes against one another and permanently shattering their alliance. {{storylink|The Crucible}} {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} Maximo's plan failed due to one crucial detail: he had failed to take Megatronus's emotions into account, and after killing Solus Prime his co-conspirator had fled in shame rather than destroying Prima as intended. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

At some point, Liege Maximo was "betrayed" by [[Micronus Prime]]. {{storylink|White Heat}} Prima, who had correctly suspected Liege Maximo's involvement in Megatronus's betrayal, was able to catch and try him for his crimes. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} His role in the killing of Solus Prime revealed, many of Liege Maximo's followers chose to turn on him. {{storylink|Heavy}} Liege was tried by his fellow Primes, and a suitable sentence was eventually decided: Liege would be imprisoned inside Vigilem, who himself had been subdued by his fellow Titans, and exiled from Cybertron forever, trapped within his lobotomized servant: {{storylink|Rubicon}} a process carried out by Onyx Prime himself. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} One group of former followers chose to become his jailers, ensuring that their charge would never escape; in repentance for following the deceitful Prime, they swore off lying forever {{storylink|Heavy}} and eventually came to regard deception as the ultimate crime. When the people of Vigilem, now "Carcer", joined the [[Council of Worlds]], {{storylink|The Will of the Few}} they chose to keep Maximo's existence a secret, fearing that his existence could sow undue strife. {{storylink|Heavy}}

For his many crimes, Liege Maximo would come to be remembered by many names in many different Cybertronian societies, including the "Great Betrayer" {{storylink|Rubicon}} and "The Prime of Lies". {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}}

[[File:Rubicon-LiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Liege Maximo's escaped! Recruit a team of teenagers with attitude!]]

Eons later, the younger [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW 2005 continuity|Shockwave]] sent one of his [[Regenesis]] ores to a planet associated with Liege Maximo, {{storylink|The Crucible}} though he himself was unaware of this connection thanks to the actions of this time-travelling future self. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

In the modern day, Liege Maximo remained imprisoned until the year [[2017]], when a crisis on Cybertron prompted a desperate [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] to reawaken Vigilem. {{storylink|Desperate Measures (Till All Are One)|Desperate Measures}} Though [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] and her crew put up a fight, the Titan set about releasing his master. Elita was able to kill the Titan, but not before he finally released Maximo, unleashing a burst of energy that knocked out everyone who had tried to stop the ancient Prime. Free once more, Maximo mocked [[Strika (BM)|Strika]] before thanking Vilgilem for his service, promising to avenge his Titan before teleporting away. {{storylink|Rubicon}}

As Cybertron attempted to rebuild from this crisis, Elita warned [[Starscream (G1)/IDW 2005 continuity|Starscream]] and several Council members present for the events aboard Carcer that Maximo would soon take his revenge by destroying Cybertron. Fearing that news of his return could cause panic and division amongst the people of Cybertron, Elita argued that they would need to keep the truth hidden to ensure that Cybertron would stay strong and united when he inevitably came back. By a vote of three to two, the Council opted to keep Maximo's freedom a secret for the time being, and Starscream later released [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] on the condition that she hunt down Liege Maximo and bring his head back to Starscream. {{storylink|Heavy}} Chromia was provided with a ship and a crew in the form of [[Greenlight]] and [[Lancer]] to hunt down the ancient Prime. {{storylink|The Chosen One}}

[[File:OP15-LiegeChained.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.2|Liege Maximo, Prime of Kinks.]]

During the [[Iron Ring]]'s attack on Iacon some months later, Elita One and [[Knock Out (G1)|Knock Out]] agreed that Liege Maximo was the greater threat, one that was worth killing all humans in Iacon to focus on. {{storylink|First Strike issue 4|First Strike #4}}

When Windblade was due to properly retake her place on the Council of Worlds, she surveyed the damage done to Iacon and wondered if Liege Maximo would even have anything to tear down. Learning that the public was not yet aware of Liege Maximo's freedom was the final straw for her. Catching up with [[Circuit (G1)|Circuit]] and [[Longtooth]], Windblade exposed the truth about the events surrounding "Carcer" and told them of Maximo's inevitable return. The news made waves in Cybertronian society, sparking off protests against the Council's duplicity, and kindling feelings of anger, terror, and in at least one case, religious sympathy for the fallen Prime. {{storylink|The Chosen One}}

At some point, Liege Maximo came into contact with Onyx Prime again as his old ally made a course for Cybertron aboard [[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]]; in order to win the Council of Worlds' good graces, Onyx pretended to have taken Liege Maximo prisoner, "delivering" him to Cybertron so that he could be tried for his crimes once more. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}} Onyx brought Maximo to the [[Spire]] so that he could convince the Council that neither he nor his forces were a threat, assigning a pair of Maximals to stand guard over him. Maximo was soon visited by a suspicious [[Soundwave (G1)/IDW 2005 continuity|Soundwave]], who had his doubts about Onyx's pageantry; when he attempted to read Maximo's mind, he found that he could hear nothing thanks to Shockwave's shadowplay. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}} When Onyx detonated a bomb in the Spire to sow confusion, Maximo easily slipped his chains {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 3: The Ground|The Ground}} and rejoined Onyx—now unmasked as Shockwave—as the purple Decepticon monologued to an imprisoned [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW 2005 continuity|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

Shockwave then ordered Liege Maximo to take a detachment of Maximals to finish off the survivors of [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]], whom Shockwave had shot down; despite Maximo's grumbling, he complied, and his forces wound up battling [[Arcee (G1)/IDW 2005 continuity|Arcee]]. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}} Though Arcee was able to take down dozens of Maximals, she was eventually taken prisoner by their leader, who brought her back to Nemesis on Shockwave's orders. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 5: Endless Forever|Endless Forever}}

Using supplies of Shockwave's gravity-warping [[Ore-4]], Maximo used its powers to begin levitating himself, his prisoners, and Arcee back up to the ship... only for his captive to take advantage of the weightless environment to break free and destroy the Ore-4 crystal responsible for suspending them in midair. The helpless Liege Maximo plummeted from the sky and crashed into [[Devastator (G1)/IDW 2005 continuity|Devastator]]'s shoulder at terminal velocity, dashing his body to bits. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 6: Unforgivable|Unforgivable}}
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====''Beast Wars: Uprising''====
[[Ser-Ket (BW)|Ser-Ket]] claimed to be part of a warrior lineage that stretched back to the Liege Maximo and others. {{storylink|Head Games}}

====''Power of the Primes'' toy bios====
Liege Maximo's [[Spark]] passed into the possession of one of the twelve [[Prime Master]]s; hidden within a suit of decoy armor, they safeguarded the abilities of the Primes until the present day. By uniting with a larger Transformer, the Prime Master could channel the powers of Liege Maximo's Spark and grant them unique abilities that varied with each new partner. {{storylink|#Generations|''Power of the Primes'' Skullgrin / Liege Maximo online bio}}

{{note|For a list of every permutation of Liege Maximo's abilities, see [[Prime Master/Combinations|this link]].}}

===''TransTech''===
The city of [[Axiom Nexus]] in the peaceful universe of [[Nexus 208.0 Epsilon]] was able to achieve unimaginable feats in technology and scientific discovery, but these were secretly possible by the amoral experiments of [[Shockwave (TransTech)|Shockwave]] and his master [[Jhiaxus (TransTech)|Jhiaxus]] under a secret government partnership with the Liege Maximo.<ref>[[Shockwave (TransTech)|Shockwave]]'s profile in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 22|''Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club'' #22]].</ref> An archivist named [[Optimus Prime (TransTech)|Optimus]] and the military professional [[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]] exposed [[Sentinel Prime (TransTech)|Sentinel Prime]]'s ties with the Liege Maximo. After a dramatic, violent battle with the Liege Maximo,<ref>[[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]]'s profile in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 24|''Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club'' #24]].</ref> much of the government was caught in this controversy, and as a result, few were left standing when the legal proceedings ended. Optimus became the new [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], and Cybertron entered a new [[Golden Age]], but it was not a complete fresh start, as Megatron convinced the [[High Senate]] to allow Shockwave to continue performing experiments under his guidance, and [[Starscream (TransTech)|Starscream]] miraculously emerged unscathed from the incident despite his heavy involvement.<ref>[[Starscream (TransTech)|Starscream]]'s profile in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 23|''Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club'' #23]].</ref> The TransTechs thereafter considered this incident to be the closest that their Cybertron had ever come to a [[Great War (disambiguation)|Great War]] as most other universal streams had. {{storylink|Rook - Axiom Nexus News: Investigative Journalist|Rook - Axiom Nexus News, 2015/05/06}}

===Aligned continuity family===
====''The Covenant of Primus''====
[[File:TFPLiegeMaximo.jpg|right|thumb|right|250px|"Puny God".]]
Liege Maximo was one of the [[Thirteen]] created by [[Primus]] to fight against [[Unicron/Aligned|Unicron]], and was a master manipulator whose artifact was the [[Liegian Darts]]. Maximo was one of the strategists of the Thirteen, alongside [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]], [[Quintus Prime|Quintus]], and [[Micronus Prime|Micronus]].

After the defeat of Unicron, Maximo focused on the mining, storage and refining of [[energon]], but grew resentful of [[Prima]] and his allies' interference. Regardless, Maximo acted as an emissary for the different factions within the Thirteen, making use of his natural beguiling charm.

Maximo was ultimately the one who led to the group fracturing, by revealing to the rest that Prima had plotted which of the Primes were the most like Unicron. It was also around this time that it was revealed that Maximo had been experimenting with creating new robotic beasts when he requested a powerful armor suit to deal with them. Prima ordered Maximo to shut down his "[[Farm]]", and it was further revealed by Alpha Trion that Maximo had been pitting the beasts against each other.

Whether Maximo had the right to experiment with the beasts was a source of conflict between the Thirteen and was later resolved by a vote which decided that he did not have the right to do so. However, Maximo convinced [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] to try and retrieve the armor from [[Solus Prime|Solus]]—an action that inadvertently led to Solus's demise and the creation of the [[Well of All Sparks]].

Maximo was revealed have placed a monitoring device on a "pet" that he had given to Solus. When the creature tried to attack Megatronus, he reacted by blasting it—leading to Solus attacking him.

Upon being confronted at the "Farm", Maximo tried to accuse Megatronus of being the true mastermind behind the war beasts by claiming it was all part of Megatronus's need to test himself against them. When Megatronus realized that Maximo had been manipulating and using the Thirteen the whole time, and was trying to blame him, a conflict broke out that led to the Primes being set upon by three massive war beasts.

Once the conflict was over, Maximo was found torn to pieces with his head destroyed by the [[Requiem Blaster (Megatronus)|Requiem Blaster]], though no one was sure who had actually fired the fatal shot. Maximo was buried in a tomb from where his arm would eventually be taken by [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] to allow him to use the [[Forge of Solus Prime]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus}}

====Aligned novels====
[[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and the Liege Maximo disliked [[Nexus Prime]] due to his favor in the eyes of [[Solus Prime]]. After the betrayal of the Fallen and defeat of Unicron the Liege Maximo plotted against his brothers and made his own play for power. He was defeated and fled to a far galaxy. His premeditated betrayal broke the spirit of [[Vector Prime]]. In the end, he was pursued to that far galaxy by [[Alchemist Prime]]. Though he had no firm information, [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] believed Alchemist had succeeded in imprisoning the Liege. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

Like the other members of the [[Thirteen]], Liege Maximo was considered a myth. [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] proclaimed Transformers were free to do as they pleased, without pondering what the long-gone Liege Maximo or his [[The Fallen|treacherous brother]] would think. The [[Hub (G2)|Hub]] once became a part of the [[space bridge]] network during the Golden Age. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus|Exodus}}

====''Prime'' cartoon====
[[File:OneShallRise1-WellofAllSparks.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Everyone is amazed at the shiny bottomless pit.]]
According to legend, at the beginning of time, [[Unicron/Aligned|Unicron]] and [[Primus]] battled each other for eons, with neither side remaining victorious for long. Till, that is, Primus created the [[Thirteen]]. These Thirteen defeated Unicron and cast him into space. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}

Liege Maximo eventually died and was placed in a [[Liege Maximo's tomb|tomb]]. The tomb was later visited by [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] and [[Dreadwing (Prime)|Dreadwing]], who took Maximo's arm so that Megatron could use the [[Forge of Solus Prime]]. {{storylink|Alpha/Omega}}

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====''Robots in Disguise'' books====
{{quote|Liege Maximo is not necessarily evil, but his petty jealousy and boredom motivate him to be a tricky troublemaker.|''[[The Trials of Optimus Prime]]''}}

After the [[AllSpark]] had been returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Liege Maximo persisted within the [[Realm of the Primes]] with several of the other [[Thirteen]]. Possessing a cape, horns, sharp darts holstered at his waist, and a cackling voice, he saw the training of [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] to ready him for battle against [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] as an opportunity to cause mischief. He began by increasing the deadliness of the holographic Decepticons that [[Micronus Prime|Micronus]] had created, giving them dangerous buzzsaws. Next, he projected an image of Optimus Prime on [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]]'s computer on Earth, laughingly teasing that the Autobots would soon be attacked by him. Later, Liege Maximo's image of Optimus Prime appeared again while the Autobots were battling the escaped Decepticon [[Skinkbomb]], and the fake Optimus called Bumblebee a fool and the Autobots stupid, and that he was going to join the Decepticons. This severely traumatized Bumblebee, which caused Liege Maximo to laugh a lot to himself because he's kind of a tool. {{storylink|The Trials of Optimus Prime}}

===Fun Publications===
[[File:AphroditeLiegeMaximoAVP.jpg|upright=0.8|thumb|left]]
Though Vector Prime would claim that history was likely correct to record Liege Maximo as a "monster", he still had many happy memories of times shared with his brother from before the falling out between the Thirteen, {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/14}} and thought of his actions more as "tragic" than evil. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/12}} He recalled his brother's skill at social gatherings, and his ability to spin incredible stories, {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/05/15}} including tales of the [[Covenant (group)|Covenant]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/10}} During the Thirteen's time in ancient Greece, Liege's female holomatter avatar—which, thanks to Liege's flair for the dramatic, first manifested by appaering out of the sea in a giant shell—inspired the myth of Aphrodite. By this time, he had formed an enmity with Solus, who manifested in Greece as the male Hephaestus, and Prima had them "bonded" together in hopes they could work through their differences. Naturally, this only resulted in further conflict; "Interesting times," Vector called them. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/08}} He also noted that legends claimed that the god [[Xal]] might merely be another name for Liege Maximo, but could say nothing with certainty. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/12}}

When the quantum membrane between the wider multiverse and the [[Uniend]] Cluster was punctured, Vector Prime began to experience memories of the Uniend incarnation of Liege Maximo, and expressed surprise at the existence of an iteration of his brother who had died before founding an empire of his own. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/14}}

As Nexus Prime brought together the [[Terminus Blade]] and the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]], his fellow Thirteen including Liege Maximo were drawn to his actions. These multiversal singularities were splintered and scattered by the act, making them into repeating parallel, but variable, versions of themselves throughout the multiverse instead of the singular beings they were before. {{storylink|Out of the One, Many}}

==Toys==
===Prime===
[[File:Primetoy-FinalBattleMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Because it would be <s>non-aerodynamic</s> silly to mount the saber onto the back of the vehicle mode like a giant tail-fin.]]
*'''Final Battle Megatron''' ([[February 25]], [[2013]])
**''ID number'': '''AM-33'''
**''Accessories'': Shadow [[Gabu#Shadow|Gabu]], Shadow [[Baru#Shadow|Baru]], & Shadow [[Dai#Shadow|Dai]] Arms Microns

:''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Prime]]'' [[Megatron (WFC)/toys#Darkest|Final Battle Megatron]]'s right forearm is decoed (but sadly not remolded) to resemble Liege Maximo's forearm that he substitutes for his own in those episodes.

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===Generations===
[[File:PowerOfThePrimestoy-LiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|My alt-mode is a garden tool?]]
*'''Liege Maximo''' (Prime Master, [[2017]])
:*''Japanese ID number'': '''PP-02'''
:*''Japanese release date'': '''[[May 25]], [[2018]]'''
:*''Accessories'': [[Skullgrin#Power of the Primes|Skullgrin]] decoy armor, claw

:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' Liege Maximo is a [[Titan Master]]-sized mold that transforms from a small robot modeled after [[Skullgrin#Generation 1|Skullgrin]]'s inner robot mode into a [[Prime Master]] that can store inside decoy armor modeled after Skullgrin's [[Pretender]] shell, or plug into any Prime Master shell's weapon form, or replace a ''Power of the Primes'' Leader's [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Power of the Primes|Matrix]] core. Liege Maximo can also ride Legends Class figures and attach to Deluxe Class figures' chest armor, Voyager Class figures' bucklers, or Voyager Class figures' combined mode.

:Depending on the individual copy, the peg holes on Liege Maximo's legs varies from normal size to near-shallow, which the latter makes him somewhat prone to falling off from the decoy armor's weapon form.

:Unlike every other Titan Master / Prime Master, Liege Maximo and his fellow first wave Prime Masters feature backpacks/symbols secured by pins instead of screws.
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==Notes==
* "Liege Maximo" was likely meant to be this character's title or rank, while his proper name remained unknown, but subsequent uses of the character have treated Liege Maximo as the character's name (or, in some cases, "Liege" as his name and "Maximo" as a title in the vein of "Prime"). Jhiaxus (and one iteration of [[Firecrest]]) has a similar title, [[Liege Centuro]].
* Liege Maximo's name was frequently misspelled as "Leige Maximo" in the ''Generation 2'' comics. Sometimes, both versions were even used on the same page, and once, even in the same sentence.
* Liege Maximo, was, at one point, established as a [[multiversal singularity]] who existed as one being throughout all of time and space, but that is [[Shroud|no longer the case]].
* [[Simon Furman]] cryptically hinted in [http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/script-wrap-15/#comments comments on his blog] that the Liege Maximo would make a return in 2008 in IDW's comics, though it didn't happen under his pen. Liege Maximo's presence in the continuity was eventually alluded to in 2014 in [[The Crucible|''Robots in Disguise'' #34]]; in 2017, the character made his first on-panel appearance in [[Rubicon|''Till All Are One'' #8]], while [[Heavy|the next issue]] fleshed out his backstory and motivations.
* Liege Maximo's "Aligned" design was shown by [[Hasbro]] at [[BotCon 2010]], and like all the original Primes, his look was guided by [[Eric Siebenaler]]. The design seems to have been heavily inspired by the [[Marvel Comics]] version of {{w|Loki (comics)|Loki}}; fitting enough for a manipulator and liar.
* The dead Prime seen in the ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' episode "[[Alpha/Omega]]" was identified as Liege Maximo in ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus]]''. The concurrently published ''[[Transformers: The Art of Prime|Art of Prime]]'' claimed that it was [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Sentinel Prime]], but that doesn't make sense, since Sentinel was not a true Prime and as such his limb would not have conveyed the power to use the Forge on Megatron. Also note that the dead Prime's arm in ''Prime'' was crimson-colored, but neither Sentinel nor Maximo had any crimson coloration on their chassis. However, the crimson may be some kind of burial paint or rusting.
* The death of Liege Maximo in the ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|Covenant of Primus]]'' is also at odds with other stories from Aligned continuity. The [[Transformers: Exiles|''Exiles'' novel]] reported that Alchemist Prime left Cybertron to hunt down and capture Liege Maximo, while the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]] and [[The Trials of Optimus Prime|related materials]] showed Liege Maximo as active in the [[Realm of the Primes]]. This is one of the larger examples of Aligned continuity's "''It only works if you *squint*''" rule towards the overall timeline.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Liege Maximo''' (リージマキシモ ''Rīji Makishimo'')

==References==
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Atomic Freeze

2019-03-28T19:11:53Z

NovaSaber: not a redeco, despite both the alt-mode and transformation being similar

:''Atomic Freeze is a member of the [[Spoiled Rottens]] from [[Transformers: BotBots|BotBots]].

[[File:AtomicFreeze.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Boy, a man on a Squishee bender can sure do some crazy things.]]

'''Atomic Freeze''' ''thinks'' he's real cool, a chill dude through and through... but the truth of the matter is that he's just a brat who's been left out in the garbage can too long. This spoiled—both literally and metaphorically—half-pint thinks that he should always get his way, and even if he does, he'll probably ice you with a few frosty remarks!

==Toys==
===BotBots===
*'''BotBots Blind Bag Mystery Figures''' (Single pack, [[2019]])
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Level'': '''2 Star'''

: Part of the second series of ''[[Transformers: BotBots|BotBots]]'', Atomic Freeze transforms from a soft plastic robot into an expired slushy. He is available in the [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] single-bot packages. He comes 1 to a case of 24, like everyone else in the assortment.

: This mold was also used to make [[Trend Blend]] and [[Sippyberry]].

*'''Spoiled Rottens''' (8-pack, 2019)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Level'': '''2 Star'''

: Atomic Freeze is also available in one of the "[[Spoiled Rottens]]" themed 8-packs, along with [[Big Botti]], [[Bogus Pocus]], [[Brotato]], [[Dizzy Bones]], [[Mocklate]], [[Sour Wing]], and the Lost bot [[Abominable Soundman]].

*'''Spoiled Rottens''' (8-pack, 2019)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Level'': '''2 Star'''

: Atomic Freeze is also available in another one of the "[[Spoiled Rottens]]" themed 8-packs, along with [[Be-Oh]], [[Grumpy Clumpy]], [[Nacho Problem]], [[Short Edge]], [[Spots the Rock]], [[Toughdown]], and the Lost Bot [[Ol' Tic Toc]].

[[Category: Spoiled Rottens]]

Slag (G1)

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:''Slag is an [[Autobot]] [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Dinobot Hunt Slag.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|[[Slapper (Dinobots)|His name is a swear word]]. Just the way he likes it.]]

'''Slag''' (aka '''Slug'''<sup><small>[[#Slug|[Note]]]</small></sup>) is the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] most likely to live up to the team's bad reputation. Slag is surly, mean-spirited, nasty, and disturbingly violent, to the point where it really is a wonder he's not a [[Decepticon]]. Slag will fight anyone, over anything, at the drop of a microchip, and fight dirty. Slag enjoys nothing more than reducing his enemies to pools of molten metal with his [[fire-breath]] (and he's more than willing to include annoying Autobots on that list). He'd swim in the pools to celebrate if he could.

None of the Dinobots really like [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], but he and [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] share an especially intense dislike of him. But it's not just Prime's orders he questions. He'll even mouth off at [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] every now and then, but somehow does not end up as scrap or lunch. Slag's bad attitude means the rest of the Autobot forces are unlikely to come to his aid when he bites off more than he can chew.

{{bigquote|Me Slag no like anything.|Slag on Life, the Universe, and Everything|"[[Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Neil Ross]] (English), [[Toshio Ishii]] (Japanese), [[Masashi Ebara]] (Japanese, "Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 2"), [[Ken Yamaguchi]] (Japanese, ''The Movie''), [[Tomomichi Nishimura]] (Japanese, ''2010'')|[[Li Danqing]] (Chinese), [[Georges Atlas]] (French), [[Roberto Alexander]] (Latin-American Spanish), [[Hans-Rainer Müller]] (German, "Grimlock's New Brain"), [[Bernd Simon]] (German, "Call of the Primitives"), [[Thomas Albus]] (German, ''Generation 2'' Season 1), [[Christoph Jablonka]] (German, ''Generation 2'' Season 2)}}

[[File:SlagG1.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|One angry mother slagger!]]
Slag was developed, along with his fellow [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] and [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]], after the Autobots discovered dinosaur bones in their volcanic headquarters. Inspired by the power of the prehistoric beasts, [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] built a trio of Dinobots to add firepower to the Autobot forces. The Dinobots proved too dangerous at first, and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] ordered Wheeljack to abandon the Dinobot project. Wheeljack continued improving the trio of titans in secret, crafting memory components that made them smarter and easier to control. When the rest of the Autobots were captured by the Decepticons at the [[Great Falls]] hydroelectric power plant, Wheeljack dispatched the Dinobots to free their comrades and destroy the Decepticons. The Dinobots succeeded in forcing a Decepticon retreat and were welcomed as members of the Autobot team. {{storylink|S.O.S. Dinobots}}

[[File:SlagWarofDinos.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|I know he's a raging sociopath... but he's so cute!]]
One of Slag's greatest weaknesses was his hostility, and [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] was able to use this to his advantage, turning the Dinobots against Optimus Prime. A new pair of Dinobots, [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] and [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]], stalled the old trio until [[Meteorini Chipperoni|the unstable meteor]] nearby exploded. Witnessing Optimus Prime valiantly save Grimlock from the explosion, the Dinobots decided that he was a good, passionate leader, and turned against Megatron as his squad escaped. {{storylink|War of the Dinobots}}

[[File:DinobotsG1.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|left]]
When Cybertron was being pulled into Earth's orbit, Slag pitched in to help stop the destruction. He and his fellow Dinobots created a moat that successfully captured an incoming tidal wave. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 2}} After that, the Dinobots were called upon to fight against [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. {{storylink|Heavy Metal War}}

[[Hound (G1)|Hound]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] had trouble teaching Slag and the other Dinobots how to play football. However, when the Autobots needed help to stop the Decepticons and [[Nergill|King Nergill]]'s attack on [[Washington, D.C.]], the Dinobots responded quickly. After the battle, Slag pitched in by using his fire breath to repair the Washington Monument. He came to [[Sub-Atlantica]] with the other Autobots, where he raised hell with his fellow Dinobots.{{storylink|Atlantis, Arise!}}

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The Dinobots' powers proved invaluable when they needed to save Optimus Prime from rogue vehicles. Slag transformed into ''Triceratops'' mode and melted them down. {{storylink|Day of the Machines}}

[[File:G1 Slag fire breath.JPG|upright=1.1|left|thumb]]
While Wheeljack attempted to show off Grimlock's newfound finesse, Slag bumped into Grimlock and caused him to run amok. Then Sludge stepped on Slag's tail, and Slag instinctively breathed fire, scorching the Ark's computers. Afterwards, the Dinobots were sent to [[Dinobot Island (G1)|a new island]] that Bumblebee and [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] had discovered so they could master their abilities. Slag liked it, and thought that it'd offer room to move and stumble around. After practicing his "fire stuff", Megatron arrived and using fear, led a pack of dinosaurs to push the Dinobots into a tar pit. {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 1}} However, they managed to get out, and Slag used his fire breath to get the tar off his comrades. {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 2}}

[[File:DesertionOfDinobots2-SlagCircuits.jpg|thumb|H-hey! That's my funny circuit!]]
Slag was sent with the four other Dinobots to an airport with Decepticons in the vicinity, despite his dislike of everything. Breaking into [[Hangar|their secret hideout]] with Snarl, Slag then melted [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]]'s [[null-ray]], to the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]'s horror, and when he was dogpiled by [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] and [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], threw them into a plane. When the Dinobots carelessly reverted to [[robot mode]], an explosion knocked them down. Back at the base, Ratchet, Hoist and Wheeljack were able to repair them after countless hours of work. But after the Dinobots heard Optimus send them out for another mission, they had enough. Slag was sick of taking orders and decided to take orders from Grimlock only, and the Dinobots left the Ark. However, when [[Carly]] informed the Dinobots that the Autobots were low on [[cybertonium]], Slag refused to help out, but Grimlock dragged him to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] anyway, since they would be away from the Autobots. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1}} When they reached Cybertron, Slag rammed [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and then tried to turn him into a chew-toy. For this, the logic-driven Decepticon altered the Dinobots' [[Circuit (circuit)|memory circuits]] and put them to work in the [[Cybertonium Pit]]. [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Two]] [[Carly|squishies]] ended up saving them. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 2}}

[[File:TFTM-QuintessonLeader Crushed.jpg|thumb|left|He may be in favour of grisly murder, but no one could ever accuse Slag of not having manners.]]
During the [[Battle of Autobot City]], the Dinobots battled [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. Slag was the only one that managed to get a hit on Devastator, ramming into him at full speed. After evacuating Autobot City in the wake of [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]]'s attack, the Dinobots refused to leave, and [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] was forced to push Slag into the ship. Possibly to avoid being killed, Kup told the Dinobots about one of his encounters with an [[Ick-Yak]]. The Dinobots, along with Kup and [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]], were shot down and crashed on [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]]. The Dinobots searched for the two Autobots, with Grimlock believing they were close by, but Slag disagreed. They started hurling insults, and things might have turned violent, had [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] not appeared and pointed them in the right direction. He and Sludge broke down a door as [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticons]] prepared to execute the Autobots, giving a belated "Excuse me!" to a [[Quintesson]] prosecutor—who was being crushed under the combined weight of Slag, Sludge, and the door. Later, Slag literally burned the butt of [[Unicron|a god]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}
{{note|Slag’s involvement in these events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the comic mini-series "[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]]" and the storybook "[[Transformers the Movie (Ladybird adaptation)|Transformers the Movie]]."}}

{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}} {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}} {{storylink|Thief in the Night}}}}

[[File:Grimlock's New Brain Dinobots fishing.JPG|thumb|upright=1.1]]
The Dinobots were bathing in Cybertron and offered to let Grimlock join their fishing game. Grimlock politely declined, and later Slag declared that "Grimlock no fun" when Grimlock had his miraculous intelligence boost. {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}

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Slag was one of the [[Primitive]]s who were called by [[Oracle (G1)|Primacron's assistant]] to battle [[Primacron]]'s newest creation, [[Tornedron]]. When Grimlock was believed destroyed when [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] crashed on him, Slag took command of the Dinobots. He came up with an incredibly innovative strategy—lead the Dinobots away until he got a better idea. [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Gurrr]] thought it was the best idea yet. After Tornedron dispatched the other Primitives, Slag and the Dinobots attacked him, only to have their energy sucked from them. Fortunately, Grimlock survived Trypticon's weight and destroyed Tornedron, fixing everything. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' story pages=====
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=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
{{voiceactor|[[Masato Hirano]] (Japanese)|[[Simon Broad]] (English, Omni Productions dub), [[Roberto Alexander]] (Latin American)}}
[[File:SleepySlagAnime1.jpg|left|upright=1.16|thumb|So cute when he's not killing things.]]
In the year 2011, Slag, along with his fellow Dinobots, was deployed by [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] to deal with the sudden invasion of the Decepticon forces. Slag and his team attempted a resistance but were quickly disabled by one of [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]]'s hypnotic spells, which forced them all to fall asleep.

Slag was ''adorable''. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}}

Later, Slag fought alongside [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]], Optimus, and his fellow Dinobots against Galvatron and his lieutenants. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}}
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====Rodimus vs. Cyclonus====
After blasting off of Quintessa aboard one of its ships, Slag and the other Dinobots huddled around Kup near the vessel's control panel. Slag stood about, muted, as the spacecraft came under assault from Cyclonus. Thanks to Kup and Hot Rod, they managed to escape their attacker, and the group later made their way to the planet Junk. {{storylink|Rodimus vs. Cyclonus}}
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====''Wings Universe''====
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Together with [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] and [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]], the Dinobots were on board a shuttle fleeing from [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and the [[Sweep (G1)|Sweeps]], though they were more concerned about hearing one of Kup's war stories than being under attack. When they found temporary safety inside a nebula, Kup relented and told them about the time he was in the [[Elite Guard]] and fought on [[Beta-Nine]]. Eventually the Decepticons found them, but Slag and the other Dinobots were so angry about the interruption that they made short work of the attackers. {{storylink|Wings of Honor}}
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====Ask Vector Prime====
When [[Renegade#Gong|Gong]] and [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] mashed two universes together, they created a world where the Transformers and [[GoBot]]s co-existed during the [[Unicron War]]. Slag evacuated [[Guardian (GoBots)|Guardian]] City aboard a [[Command Center (GoBots)|Command Center]] after Galvatron and his Renegade-Decepticon alliance attacked, and Kup entertained the Dinobots with a few tall tales as they headed to Cybertron. Galvatron attacked their ship, stranding them on [[Antares 3|Antares III]].

The four Dinobots tried to search for the missing Kup and Hot Rod, but not even Swoop could locate their whereabouts. Slag and Grimlock briefly got into a fight, but encountered the [[Guardian (GoBots)#RoGuns|RoGuns]], who led them to the twisted court of the [[Master Renegade]], where Kup and Hot Rod were on trial. The Dinobots barged their way into the courtroom, with Slag pausing to apologize to the squashed [[Renegade#Klaws|Klaws]]. After stealing the Master Renegade's ship and dubbing it "''Grungy''", the group headed to [[Quartex (planet)|Quartex]]. Kup met up with [[Rock Lord#Boulder|Boulder]], and together the alliance rescued [[Guardian (GoBots)#Major Mo|Major Mo]]'s group of Autobots and Guardians from [[Rock Lord#Magmar|Magmar]]'s evil [[Rock Lord]]s.

The Autobots, Guardians, Rock Lords, and RoGuns returned to Cybertron aboard the Grungy and a Rock Lord vessel, where they battled Unicron. Before they were finished their fight, [[Vector Prime]] managed to disentangle the two universes, setting history back on its proper course. {{storylink|Echoes and Fragments}}

====''Deviations''====
In a timeline where Optimus Prime killed Megatron during their Autobot City duel, Slag was on Optimus Prime's shuttle when the Autobots set off to reclaim Cybertron from the leaderless Decepticons. They were attacked en route by "Megascream": a reformatted Starscream now in the thrall of Unicron. They managed to escape after Megascream and his troops retreated, touching down on Quintessa to repair the damage.

On the watery surface of the planet, the Autobots encountered a group of Sharkticons. Kup's universal greeting ended poorly, so Optimus dispatched the Dinobots to take care of the threat. Optimus, Kup, and the Dinobots stormed into a Quintesson courtroom, where they rescued Kranix and learned more about the threat of Unicron. When repairs on the ship had completed, the team picked up Hot Rod from Junkion and returned to Cybertron, where Optimus announced his intent to confront Unicron head-on. {{storylink|Transformers: Deviations|Deviations}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
{{main|Slag (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity}}

===Milton Bradley mini-comic===
Slag was among a number of Autobots under [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]'s command who crewed the [[Ark (G1)|ark]]. After it crashed into [[Earth]], the ark detected [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and repaired Slag and three others into the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. The Dinobots soon tracked down Soundwave, but he proved too much for them to handle until Grimlock used his brain and brought the nearby cliff down, knocking them all offline. {{storylink|In the Transformers}}

===Kid Stuff Talking Story Books===
Slag and the other Dinobots live in an underground jungle environment, hidden beneath the Antarctic ice cap. He can fly. The Dinobots left together from their home to head to Autobot headquarters. Slag complained that they shouldn’t stick to a large formation, as he felt that this would make them an easy target for the Decepticons. His advice was ignored. Later, when they were attacked by Starscream and the Decepticon superjets, as Slag had predicted, Slag decided to break off from the group and continue on his way by himself. As he moved away from the other Dinobots, he was caught off-guard by Ramjet, who smashed a hole in Slag’s side. Slag was ordered to return to the Dinobots’ recovery base to get his wounds treated by Ratchet. There, Ratchet finished his repairs just as the [[Crusher (G1)|Crusher]] forced its way into the Dinobots base. Though Slag was initially frightened by the machine, the vibrations it made caused hundred of Dinobots to be freed from their tar cocoons. Slag joined his brethren and beat back the Decepticons. {{storylink|Jaws of Terror}}

Optimus had requested Slag and the rest of the Dinobots’ assistance when he and Prowl investigated Decepticon activity on the island of [[Buru]]. Upon their arrival, the Dinobots quickly began overpowering the Insecticons on the island. {{storylink|Slaves of the Insecticons}}
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===Marvel Storybooks continuity===
Slag and the other Dinobots stood by while Swoop mercilessly butchered Devastator and killed the Constructicons one by one. The rest of the Dinobots then joined in ripping the Constructicons' carcasses into scrap metal for good measure. {{storylink|Battle for Earth}}

[[File:SludgeSlagSideswipetravelling-ASW.jpeg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
When [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] learned that his "twin Autobot" had been captured by [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], he swore to rescue [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] himself. [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] advised him to take [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] and Slag with him, as their muscle would come in handy against Devastator. The three Autobots made their way to Decepticon headquarters, avoiding best they could the many traps that lay before it. The trio then encountered a couple of Decepticon guards, but made short work of them. Once within Decepticon headquarters, they encountered Devastator. Despite their best efforts, they were unable to defeat the Decepticon gestalt, and were themselves taken prisoner. Some time later, Megatron took Slag and the others out of their cell to show them that the Autobots had agreed to surrender; on the Decepticons' doorstep was left a statue of Devastator, with a note attached explaining that it was a peace offering. The statue turned out to be a ruse however, and Autobot reinforcements burst forth from within it. Slag participated in the battle that ensued, which eventually ended in a victory for the Autobots. {{storylink|The Autobots' Secret Weapon}}

===Marvel coloring books===
When Optimus learned from Cosmos that the Decepticons were razing a human village to build a fuel plant in its place, he had the Dinobots hide within the other Autobots' vehicle modes to sneak up on the enemy. Once they were in close enough proximity to [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and his minions, the Dinobots were released and the battle against the evil robots commenced. Kickback and Ravage nearly managed to sneak up on Slag and Sludge, but [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] and [[Gears (G1)|Gears]] intercepted the two Decepticons before they could harm the Dinobots. After Shockwave had been tied up and loaded into Long Haul's open-box bed, Slag shoved them both down a pit so Grimlock could cover them with quick-drying cement, trapping the Decepticons. {{storylink|The Autobot Spy in the Sky}}

Slag and the rest of the Dinobots gathered around Grimlock as Hot Rod explained to them that he was being chased by a squad of Decepticons. Hot Rod then took off towards Autobot City to warn Ultra Magnus while the Dinobots headed to confront the Decepticons. In the battle that ensued, Slag spewed his firebreath at Buzzsaw. Then Starscream snuck up on him and injured the Dinobot with a couple of well-placed shots. Luckily, at this stage of the battle, Autobot reinforcements were arriving. Ratchet headed straight for Slag and tended to his wounds. {{storylink|Battle at Oil Valley}}
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===''Big Looker'' storybooks===
Slag and the rest of the Dinobots accompanied Hot Rod, Kup and Arcee on a space-faring mission. Though Kup warned Slag not to overload the ship, Grimlock ignored him, reasoning that he didn’t want to make a second trip. The ship wound up malfunctioning, and they crash-landed on the planet Quintesson. There, they encountered Wheelie, who warned them about the planet’s evil inhabitants. They soon encountered a few Quintessons leading their Sharkticon soldiers to apprehend them. Slag melted a bunch of them into puddles of molten metal with his fiery breath. After the Quintessons had been defeated, the Autobots left the planet in the ship that had once been piloted by Wheelie’s parents. {{storylink|The Story of Wheelie, the Wild Boy of Quintesson}}
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===Dinobot War===
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Slag, along with the rest of the Dinobots, were present during Earth's distant past, when [[you]], Ravage and Laserbeak travelled through time. The Dinobots quickly learned about the Decepticons' plan to attack the Autobots still slumbering in stasis aboard the crashed Ark, and set out to oppose them. Whether or not they succeeded was up to you!{{storylink|Dinobot War}}
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===Dinobots Strike Back===
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Slag was so bored while on look-out duty that he and Sludge began to fight. Distracted, he didn't notice Bombshell sneaking up on the Dinobots, which led to the Insecticon injecting a Cerebro-shell into each of them save Swoop. Slag and the Dinobots are ordered to go on a rampage, attacking Autobots and humans alike. If Swoop reports directly back to Autobot base about what transpired, the Autobots weigh multiple options on how to best stop the Dinobots' rampage.

If the Autobots choose to use Mirage's abilities against the Dinobots, Slag and the rest of the sub-group are tricked into believing Optimus is standing at the edge of Bandit Bluff's precipice, and charge for the Autobot leader. Their target turns out to be an illusion fabricated by Mirage, and the Dinobots are knocked unconscious by their fall, and subsequently freed of Bombshell's control.

If the Autobots choose to use Windcharger's abilities against the Dinobots, the outcome of the Dinobots' and the rest of the Autobots' confrontation has two possible outcomes. If Windcharger uses his magnetic powers too close to the Dinobots, the powerful magnetic field sends Slag and the other Dinobots into convulsions before killing them. If Windcharger decides to use his magnetic powers from a greater distance, the Cerebro-shells are harmlessly extracted from the Dinobots. Later, Slag is celebrating with the Autobots when Grimlock recalls Bombshell announcing that controlling the Dinobots was only a part of the Insecticon's plan.

Optimus in turn can send Bumblebee, Skids and Sludge to investigate nearby electromagnetic activity. If he does, and Skids returns to Autobot base after the Decepticons has captured Bumblebee, Prowl suggests to send Slag and his ilk as undercover agents into the Decepticons' local operation. Prowl explains that the Decepticons are likely unaware that the Dinobots are no longer under Bombshell's control. If Optimus goes with this plan, Slag and the Dinobots successfully carry out their infiltration. When the time comes to engage the Decepticons, Slag proves himself invulnerable to Starscream's lasers, one of which bounces off his armour and back into Starscream's weapon, The Autobots successfully defeat the Decepticons thanks to the Dinobot's strategic placement.

If the Autobots choose to simply attack the Dinobots immediately and brutally, Slag ends up attacking Powerglide with a jet of fire. He is brought down when Swoop fires a missile near him, causing Slag to tumble over and his Cerebro-shell to come loose. This leads to the Autobots realizing they can knock the Cerebro-shells out of the Dinobots, and the whole team is freed from mind-control.

If Swoop chooses to stay and fight Bombshell instead of reporting back to base after the Dinobots have become Bombshell's slaves, and successfully defeats the Insecticon, Slag is freed along with the other Dinobots. Whatever other choices are made in this path, Slag stays unaware of what has transpired, his memory a blank during the mind-control. {{storylink|Dinobots Strike Back}}
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===Frito-Lay posters===
Slag helped defend [[Sherman Dam|Boulder Dam]] from the Decepticons. He, alongside Hound, rumbled in for the final crisis! Ultimately, the Autobots were successful in staving off the Decepticons. {{storylink|Battle in the Desert Valley}}
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===Toy pack-in material===
Slag, Grimlock, and Snarl, were roaming about in a desert in their "undetectable everyday forms" when they came under attack from [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]! {{storylink|Sweepstakes Offer!}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
Slag was chosen by Grimlock to join his commando unit, and was with them in the [[Dark Ages]] when they split off to become the [[Lightning Strike Coalition]]. On one of the group's missions, they managed to steal a plenty of energon from [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and his [[Predacon (War Within)|Predacons]]. {{storylink|Fragmentation (G1)|Fragmentation}} Upon learning that [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] was meeting with Shockwave in the [[Neutral Territories]], Grimlock took the Dynobots to kill them for treason. The others, however, were more worried about [[Trypticon (G1)|the new Decepticon battlestation]] that was massacring [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]'s Autobots (Slag didn't care about the bots, he wanted a piece of the action). Grimlock grew angry, poked Slag, and ordered him to follow his orders or get physical. Swoop finally convinced Grimlock to let them go while the latter went for Jetfire and Shockwave himself. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}} After the battle, Slag's group discovered that someone had taken Grimlock and Jetfire, and there was no sign of Shockwave. {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}} When it was discovered that [[The Fallen]] was behind Grimlock's disappearance, the LSC were forced into a temporary alliance with Shockwave's Decepticons to put an end to the ancient Transformer's diabolical scheme. Despite the truce, Slag still decked [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]]. Nobody cared. Ultimately, The Fallen's plan to bring a [[Unicron/Generation 1|greater, more malevolent force]] to Cybertron was foiled by the power of [[Primus]] himself. {{storylink|Conflagration}}

Afterwards, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] managed to unite the Autobots once more, and under his leadership gained a significant hold over Cybertron's resources and territories. This eventually forced the [[Ultracon]]s and Shockwave's Decepticons to sign a peace treaty with the Autobots. Slag and the other Dynobots were posted as perimeter guards during the peace talks, in anticipation for any attacks that might come their way. Sure enough, Starscream and his [[Predacon (War Within)|Predacon]]s struck by sending in a pair of shuttles filled with neutronium plasma to crash into [[Tyger Pax]], where the treaty was being signed. Slag and his teammates were unable to halt the shuttles, ending any hope of an easy truce. The dramatic return of Megatron with his cloned [[Air Warrior|Aerospace Extermination Squadron]] ended any ideas of truce at all. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath}}

[[File:DWColdWar Slag Octane.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Me Slag like collect trophy like [[Lockdown (Animated)|him.]]]]
After the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'' crash-landed on Earth, the Dynobots followed the Insecticons there. They trounced the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]], who subsequently played dead until Grimlock and Slag got bored and wandered off. {{storylink|Extermination}} However, the Dinobots became trapped in [[stasis lock]]. After awakening, Megatron captured the Dinobots, using their imprisonment to force Grimlock to side with the Decepticons. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 3}} Grimlock freed them after Shockwave captured Megatron and Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Brothers' Burden}} Using a stolen Decepticon shuttle, the DInobots traveled back to Cybertron, finding it under the totalitarian rule of Shockwave. [[Octane]] was the first to come upon the group once they had made planet-fall, and poked Slag in the head calling him a "primitive" as he prepared to take him in. This only served to make Slag angry, and Octane was afterwards left without a body. Slag was keen on keeping Octane's head as a trophy, but Grimlock had him get rid of it before they started their rampage proper to disrupt Shockwave's rule. {{storylink|Cold War (issue)|Cold War}}

The Dinobots launched an attack on [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], heading for [[Shockwave's Tower]]. Grimlock ordered Slag and the others to keep pushing forward as he made a side-trip to the [[Smelting pool|smelting pits]] to personally confront Shockwave. Before they could reach their destination, the Dinobots were halted by the newly reawakened [[Guardian robot|Omega Sentinels]]. Slag barely managed to send a distress call to Grimlock before being defeated. {{storylink|Passive Aggression}}

Much later, after Shockwave's defeat, the Dinobots were ordered by Ultra Magnus to accompany Kup on a trip to establish a base on one of Cybertron's moons. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

{{unreleased DW G1 comic}}
En route to Cybertron's moon, Kup had an amusing conversation with [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] while [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], Slag, and [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] looked on. {{storylink|Unreleased Dreamwave issues#Issue 11|Generation 1 #11}}

===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[File:Slag and Sludge GIJoevsTFsII4.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2]]
Along with Grimlock, Snarl, Sludge and Swoop, Slag was transported into Earth's distant past by a malfunctioning [[Teletran 3]], where he was reformatted into a ''Triceratops''. A group consisting of three [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joes]] and a [[Cobra]] [[Cobra Viper|Viper]] successfully retrieved them, and the new "Dinobots" made short work of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and his troops. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 4|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #4}}
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===The Beast Within===
Four million years ago, Slag combined with his fellow Dinobots to form [[Beast (G1)|The Beast]], a savage abomination of a gestalt that knew no mercy. {{storylink|The Beast Within Part 2, Consequences}}

In the present day, Slag participated in a savage battle against the Decepticons. He squared off against Headstrong, until Grimlock called upon the Dinobots to once more combine into their gestalt form. The merge complete, the Dinobots then rampaged once more as The Beast. {{storylink|The Beast Within}}
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===IDW 2005 continuity===
:*''First Appearance:'' [[Spotlight: Shockwave]]
Slag, later renamed Slug, has been fighting for a long, long time. He learned his earliest values and what the world was like in the [[Gladiatorial combat|gladiator]] pits: it was him against the world and the world had to die so he wouldn't. The brutalisation took a deep toll on his psyche. {{storylink|The Transformers: Redemption}}

Slag joined the [[Primal Vanguard]] and first met [[Grimlock (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Grimlock]] in a brig, after he'd ''shot his commanding officer in the back'' to convince him they were outflanked and had to make a frontal assault. Grimlock thought this made him an awesome, clear-thinking guy, and the two of them discussed forming their own semi-autonomous strike team, one that Slag declared would follow no rules. {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 2|Maximum Dinobots #2}} Apparently their new Dynobot unit ended up more amiable than he had hoped, however, as they went on to receive numerous commendations. Their time in the Vanguard came to an end after a mission to Cybertron's underground, during which they ran into powerful [[cyber-morphic predator]]s and were forced to take on [[alternate mode|alt mode]]s based on the monsters in order to survive. Grieving the loss of their comrade [[Skar (Dynobot)|Skar]] and locked up for study by their superiors, the Dynobots deserted from the Vanguard. {{storylink|Underworld (IDW)|Underworld}}

On the run, Slag and the other Dynobots began fighting in illegal pit fights once more. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3|Megatron Origin #3}} {{storylink|The Transformers: Redemption}} They were in the [[Ring of Trials]] in [[Ironfall]] when they witnessed [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]]'s rallying call for additional support against the Decepticon tyranny. {{storylink|Broadcast}} They responded to the call and joined the Autobots in the following battle for control of Cybertron, during which they took out [[Onslaught (G1)|a lot]] [[Brawl (G1)|of tanks]]. {{storylink|Endgame}} They subsequently joined the Autobots, but struck out on their own again as they began to lose control of their hastily acquired alt modes, which was affecting their minds and threatening to transform them into mindless beasts for good. Unwilling to risk the lives of others, the Dynobots resorted to robbing to earn their way off-world where they could isolate themselves. {{storylink|Derelicts}}

During one of their heists, the Dynobots broke into the [[Toraxxis mega-refinery]], intending to drain and sell the [[energon]] within. {{storylink|Wreckage (issue)|Wreckage}} When Grimlock began hurrying them along, Slag lost his temper, blamed him for their situation and walked out, but calmed down and returned to them in time to fight off some Decepticons ''also'' looking to steal from the refinery. {{storylink|Faces of Darkness}} As the Autobots arrived to fight off the Decepticons, the Dynobots retreated into the refinery, but were followed by [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]. As Grimlock dueled the 'con, he began to lose control and transform into his [[beast mode]], forcing Slag and Swoop to intervene and calm him down. {{storylink|Rage (IDW)|Rage}} Following the destruction of the refinery, the Dynobots got sick of it all and convinced Grimlock to accept Optimus Prime's offer to help. {{storylink|Prey (issue)|Prey}}

Slag and the others were brought to Prime at [[Starsreach Spaceport]], where a Decepticon attack caused Grimlock to transform and go berserk. {{storylink|Massacre}} His ensuing rampage caused the Dynobots to lose all faith in redemption, and they boarded a ship bound off-world then and there. {{storylink|Unleashed}} However, they changed their minds when [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]], the creator of the cyber-morphic predator, was unleashed upon Cybertron, and returned to help the Autobots fight it. {{storylink|Annihilation}} As they held off Trypticon's minions, Grimlock ended up devoured by the giant beast and the others began to lose hope, but Slag urged them to keep fighting in the belief that Grimlock could defeat it from the inside. And he was right! Once Trypticon was defeated, the Dynobots returned home with the Autobots with hope that their scientists could find a cure for their affliction. {{storylink|Belly of the Beast (issue)|Belly of the Beast}} The efforts of Autobot science succeeded, and the Dynobots were purged of their rage and beast mode in time to defend Iacon from a Decepticon invasion. {{storylink|Primacy issue 4|Primacy #4}}

As the war went on, Slag's contribution to the grand Autobot cause of freedom for all was to murder Decepticons who surrendered and play "kick the can" with severed heads. {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 1|Maximum Dinobots #1}} He constantly tried to deny the Dynobots were a team at ''all'', saying they put the "un" into "unit" (and apparently he put the "lame" into "jokes"). {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 2|Maximum Dinobots #2}} The Dynobots were involved with the battle of [[Varas Centralus]], where their actions were as brutal and horrific as any Decepticon's. {{storylink|The Killing Jar (issue)|The Killing Jar}} In a particular horrific moment, he ''incinerated [[spark]]s'' in a rage so they could never be born as Decepticons. {{storylink|The Transformers: Redemption}}

[[File:SpotlightShockwave GrimlockSlag trexscan.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Slag knows that Grimlock is the harshest critic of his light sculpting.]]
Slag and the other Dynobots followed Grimlock to revenge themselves against [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]], who blew up a cache of [[energon]] they had stolen. When Shockwave traveled to [[Earth]], the Dynobots pursued him. Slag appeared to be the team's tech specialist, originating the idea of organic [[beast mode]]s as a defense against energon overload. That's pretty innovative for a guy who spends most of his time thinking how better to kill everyone around him. Sadly, it did not protect the Dynobots from Shockwave's energy blasts, which melted the artificial skin and caused the Dynobots to go into [[stasis lock]] due to excessive [[Energon radiation]]. Due to a dead man's switch, the [[Skyfire (ship)|Dynobots' ship]] blasted a volcano that buried everyone in molten lava. {{storylink|Spotlight: Shockwave}}

The Dynobots were eventually excavated by [[Skywatch]], and though Grimlock was the first to be brought back online, he was freed from Skywatch's control through a virus implanted by a [[Machination]] spy (under orders from [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]). Scorponok wanted Grimlock to join him, but Grimlock refused, fought Scorponok and escaped, vowing to find and rescue Slag and the other Dynobots. Scorponok, however planned to take control of the Dynobots himself and use them to assassinate Grimlock. {{storylink|Spotlight: Grimlock}}

Skywatch activated Slag, and in a test run, had him melt a tank. When Grimlock showed up in [[Fallon]], he and the other Dynobots were sent to intercept him. {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 1|Maximum Dinobots #1}}

[[File:SlagMaxDino02.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|This is revenge for the ''Triceratops'' always losing the fights in the movies.]]
Grimlock tried to break Slag's programming by reminding him of their shared past, which not only didn't work but got him set on fire. Making matters worse, [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] decided to reduce the programming remotely, at which point Slag shot Grimlock ''more'' and got enraged to find out Grimlock had set up a dead man's switch that nearly killed them without telling ''anyone''. Slag even decided they had been a team after all and this was a betrayal. However, Grimlock silenced him by reminding Slag of what he wanted the Dynobots to be, and how what he did was following Slag's ethos ''exactly''. {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 2|Maximum Dinobots #2}}

Grimlock took the opportunity to inform the others of the current situation and what they needed to do, but Slag and the others weren't going to fall in line so easily. In particular, Swoop expressed his anger and disappointment in Grimlock's actions and decided to leave on his own. Slag, Snarl, and Sludge departed as well, leaving Grimlock standing there and fuming. Scorponok had his [[Sunstreaker clone]] army attack Grimlock at this point and they did so with gusto, ignoring the other Dynobots. Seeing their leader besieged, Slag and the others decided, for better or worse, that they were still Dynobots and had to stick together. They set to the task of trashing Sunstreaker clones until they were surrounded and nearly overwhelmed. But the [[Monsterbot]]s arrived on the scene, having been summoned by Grimlock earlier, and began to turn the tide. Slag was quite disbelieving that Grimlock would even think of calling upon [[Repugnus (G1)|Repugnus']] crew for help, but that didn't stop him from continuing to wreck Sunstreaker clones. {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 3|Maximum Dinobots #3}}

[[File:MaximumDinobots5HotRodSwoopSlag.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The list that Slag keeps of people who tick HIM off simply reads "'''EVERYONE'''".]]
Realizing they didn't have the advantage anymore, the surviving Sunstreaker clones retreated. The Dynobots hitched a ride in the Monsterbots' ship and headed for Machination headquarters. Aboard the ship, Grimlock discussed the matter of payment with Repugnus as the other Dynobots discussed how distasteful they found the whole situation (And you know it ''had'' to be ''really'' distasteful if the Dynobots were grousing about it!). Slag kept quiet but appeared as annoyed as the others as Grimlock told them he had worked out a temporary alliance with the Monsterbots. But again, as annoyed as the other Dynobots were, it didn't stop them from leaping into battle after Grimlock when they arrived at Machination HQ. They were greeted by yet more Sunstreaker clones, and proceeded to go about demolishing them. Finally, the clones were switched-off when [[Hunter O'Nion]] disconnected the original [[Sunstreaker (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Sunstreaker]]'s head, thus robbing the Machination grunts of their ability to control the clone bodies. The badly-damaged Hot Rod arrived, having just escaped from Machination HQ and explained what had occurred to the Dynobots. Sludge began to celebrate their victory when he was suddenly blasted by Scorponok, who decided to take a personal hand in the battle. {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 4|Maximum Dinobots #4}}

[[File:MaximumDinobots5Monsterbotsmakeanoffer.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|"You're jerks, but do you have what it takes to be SUPER-jerks?"]]
To top it off, Shockwave arrived on the scene, and quickly engaged Scorponok for the right to destroy the remaining Dynobots. With Sludge apparently dead, Grimlock told the others to retreat without him, as he was finally seeing the cost of his uncompromising attitude. Slag asked Hot Rod if he wanted to bolt with them, but Hot Rod declined. Slag, Snarl, and Swoop decided to cut out while the getting was good and headed due east to an extraction point where the Monsterbots were waiting. Upon arrival, Repugnus mentioned that they'd be good fits for the team, due to their apparent concern with self-preservation. This remark did not seem to sit well with Slag and the others and they decided to go back and help Grimlock. When they returned to the battlefield, they found that Scorponok had retreated and Grimlock was fighting Shockwave. What's more, Sludge had come back online, thanks to a spark-jump from Grimlock. They leaped into battle with Shockwave, even as Grimlock implored them to go find Scorponok. Grimlock managed to drag himself and Shockwave away from the others, giving the other Dynobots an opportunity to infiltrate the main Machination complex. They managed to find their way to the chamber where Scorponok had stored his original head, and engaged the Decepticon [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] in battle there. Hot Rod directed Swoop to sever the connections keeping Scorponok's original head functional. Swoop did so, and Scorponok was painfully disabled and left at the Dynobots' mercy. But before they could kill him, Ultra Magnus arrived and told them that Scorponok would instead be jailed and made to pay for his crimes. He also suggested that they quickly remove all Cybertronian technology from the facility and leave as soon as possible. Everyone was totally cool with this.

In the end, Ultra Magnus canceled outstanding warrants he had on the other Dynobots when Grimlock (who had managed to disable Shockwave) took the fall and admitted that going rogue was completely his idea. Grimlock was satisfied that he managed to save Sludge and his team was online and together again. Slag and the others were seen repairing the ''Skyfire'' and preparing to leave Earth. {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 5|Maximum Dinobots #5}}

[[File:Slag Ironhide RID8.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"You mean 'Frack you and everyone around you!' isn't a rational philosophy??"]]
With Grimlock gone, Slag took on the role of leader of the team. After traveling space for a few years, he and the newly dubbed "Dinobots" returned to a reborn Cybertron and joined [[Ironhide (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ironhide]] for a mission to find the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] who had gone missing in the wilderness. After a run-in with a ferocious [[turbofox]], which the Dinobots dealt with in their usual fashion, they discovered signs of Transformer weaponry which made Ironhide suspicious that [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] was still around. His worried behavior bothered Slag, who had respected his toughness but now saw him as just another ''regular'' Autobot. Ironhide explained that he had changed because of a vision of the future, which Slag felt had a degree of truth to it. The night they set up camp, the Dinobots were overcome by an alien influence and began fighting amongst themselves, causing Slag and Swoop to impale Ironhide. {{storylink|Dinobot Hunt (IDW)|Dinobot Hunt}}

However, this didn't kill Ironhide and the Dinobots continued to fight each other. Eventually, they somehow stopped clashing among themselves and began to pursue Ironhide, who was saved thanks to the timely arrival of the combined form of the Aerialbots, [[Superion (G1)|Superion]]. {{storylink|Night and the City}} With everyone gathered in one place, the influence that had made the Dinobots aggressive and created Superion ceased to affect them. {{storylink|Second Exodus}} On returning to Iacon, the group found the city under attack by Megatron {{storylink|Before the Dawn}} Quick to join the fray, Slag took the streets and fought [[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]] and [[Turmoil]]. {{storylink|Plan for Everything}} Though the Autobots were victorious, [[Starscream (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Starscream]] was able to turn the neutral population against them and have both factions banished from the city. {{storylink|Heavy Is the Head}}

Out in the wilderness, the Dinobots defended the Autobot convoy from the approaching [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] until the Decepticon team revealed their good intentions. After setting up camp, they actually got along quite well with the Constructicons, who shared their interest in wrecking things and chugging energon. {{storylink|Second Exodus}} During his time in camp, Slag was informed by [[Arcee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Arcee]] that his name held an offensive meaning, prompting him to change it to "Slug". {{storylink|No Exit: Dark Cybertron Chapter 6|No Exit}} When a mysterious light appeared in the wilderness, Slug had the Dinobots go on the offensive, ignoring Bumblebee's orders to wait and observe. His attack plans were then shelved when the light turned out to be heralding the arrival of the giant [[Quintessa (IDW)|Necrotitan]]. {{storylink|Dark Dawn: Dark Cybertron Chapter 1|Dark Dawn}} Fed up with Slug's continued attitude, Bumblebee gave him an ultimatum: either follow orders or leave the battlefield. Surprised by the little 'bot's courage, Slug begrudgingly fell into line and had the Dinobots aid in trying to contain the Necrotitan. {{storylink|Black Metal: Dark Cybertron Chapter 2|Black Metal}} A brief battle occurred when a group of Decepticons led by [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] arrived at the scene, but was interrupted when the Titan emitted a deadly energy wave that injured and corroded many combatants, including Slug. {{storylink|Winners & Losers: Dark Cybertron Chapter 3|Winners & Losers}} Autobots and Decepticons alike stopped fighting while their leaders tried to work out what was going on. {{storylink|Into the Abyss: Dark Cybertron Chapter 4|Into the Abyss}}

Slug was taken to safety by the other Dinobots, complaining that he couldn't participate in the attack on Shockwave's base. When the Necrotitan began making its way towards Iacon, the Dinobots tried to slow it down to no effect. {{storylink|No Exit: Dark Cybertron Chapter 6|No Exit}} They and the other Autobots then retreated to Iacon, having no choice but to try and defend the city from the giant. {{storylink|Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|Burning Bright}} Slug was cured from the death wave's effects when the Necrotitan was brought down by [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. {{storylink|Finis Temporis: Dark Cybertron Chapter 9|Finis Temporis}} In celebration of the Titan's defeat, Slug went to [[Swerve's]] to drink and sing alongside both Autobots and Decepticons. {{storylink|The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|The Becoming}} The peace was brief, as an army of [[Ammonite]]s then invaded Cybertron on Shockwave's orders, forcing the Autobots back into action. {{storylink|Black Planet: Dark Cybertron Chapter 11|Black Planet}} Slug was ordered by Ironhide to drive the invaders out of the city, but in the chaos of battle the Dinobot couldn't even tell where the city limits were. Once the battle was won, he watched Megatron disembark the ''[[Lost Light]]'' wearing an Autobot insignia. {{storylink|...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|...And the Damage Done}}

Six months after Shockwave's defeat, Slug was drinking at [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]] when [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] stopped by to get info on Starscream. After a couple of drinks he was all too willing to tell her what he thought about that jerk. {{storylink|A 'Bot and Her City}} He was still there two days later when Windblade showed up in search of [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]], {{storylink|A Long Way Down}} and was taken along for the ride when Windblade brought several bar patrons with her to Metroplex's insides to serve as witnesses to Starscream's illegal "mine" within. As they were attacked by three [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]] on arrival, the Dinobot fought [[Rippersnapper (G1)|Rippersnapper]] until Starscream himself showed up with his [[Badgeless]] thugs and had the group captured. They were broken out of jail by [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]], after which Slug and [[Blurr (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Blurr]] remained behind to keep Starscream at bay while Windblade made her escape. {{storylink|Windblade issue 3|Windblade vol. 1 #3}} Slug pinned Starscream to a wall, but the Seeker got out of his grip by blowing him away with a missile. {{storylink|Windblade issue 4|Windblade vol. 1 #4}}

Some time later, Slug helped investigate the murders of three Decepticons in the slums outside Metroplex, although he cared little about the case seeing them as karmic retribution for the Decepticons. {{storylink|City of Steel (issue)|City of Steel}} Following more killings, Slug and the Dinobots stood guard at the murder site where they flung threats at an angry Decepticon mob placing the blame on Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Fight or Flee (issue)|Fight or Flee}} Suspecting the [[Firecon]]s to be the culprits, Prime, Starscream and Windblade had a team including the Dinobots take the trio down, which Slug and his pals did with gusto. {{storylink|Quest for Fire}} After the Firecons were proven innocent, Optimus Prime confronted Slug and accused ''him'' of the murders, claiming his war experiences and life on Starscream's Cybertron had made him snap. Slug took poorly to the accusation and attacked Prime, but their battle was interrupted by reports of yet another killing—this time of Autobots. Slug believed this proved his innocence, but Prime wouldn't relent, reminding him of his team's war crimes on Varas Centralus and telling him his stubborn adherence to wartime thinking was dividing Cybertron and representing everything wrong with their race. {{storylink|The Killing Jar (issue)|The Killing Jar}} That night, an infuriated Slug began plotting to kill Prime, only for him and his team be caught in an explosion, having become the killer's latest targets. As it turned out, Prime had only shouted about their crimes in order to lure out the culprit, the criminal killer [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]], but had also arranged a trap door to open beneath them when the bomb struck, saving their lives. {{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming (issue)|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}

Prime's remarks would linger with Slug for weeks afterwards. He began to drink more and more to blot out his pain, getting violent a lot of the time,{{storylink|The Transformers: Redemption|Redemption}} and being pacified by the drink at other times, such as during a party to celebrate Cybertron's reunion with [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]]. {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 4|Windblade vol.2 #4}} He took [[Chosen One Day]] to thank Blurr for the alcohol. {{storylink|Choose Me}} In his mind, that time they'd been 'turned into' beasts had just been showing the world what they really were. [[Barricade (IDW)|Barricade]], who'd keep busting him, was disgusted at the waste of potential and how this person the Decepticons had feared so much could be so pathetic.

In a drunken rage, Slug tried to start a fight with [[Sterling|two]] [[Aileron|evangelists]] for Prime before being coaxed away by Swoop. (His antics almost crashed [[Sterling]]'s faith) {{storylink|The Transformers: Redemption|Redemption}} {{storylink|Conquerors Part 1: Aphelion|Aphelion}} He went back to the bar, started a massive fight, and was arrested by Barricade. That would just be a normal weekend except Barricade had a job for him: help him deliver some goods into the wilderness for the Camien politician [[Strafe (IDW)|Strafe]] and the Dinobots would get a nice briefcase of untraceable money Barricade had been "collecting" in his police duties. Slug was desperate enough to take this job, to the disgust of the others until he said he'd dob the crew into the [[Badgeless]] and take the money after they'd been killed! It was a good plan until Slug discovered that the secret cargo were ''twelve sparks'' for delivery to a former 'hot spot'.

Slug changed the plan and had his crew slaughtered the waiting coppers before they could see Barricade, [[Swift (G1)|Swift]], and Strafe: now Barricade and his friends could return to the city, but the Dinobots would always be wanted cop killers. Slug considered that usual Dinobot work, doing the dirty stuff so the 'heroes' could stay clean. For the rest of the journey, Slug (thinking about the innocent sparks he'd once murdered) and the Dinobots fought off warped [[Sweep (G1)|Sweep]]s and Badgeless, while he was left bitter when he discovered Swift was actually ''dating'' Barricade and Strafe couldn't grasp his disgust. After all, he'd done bad things in the war too. Slug said it wasn't the same (he knew it was).

Things came to a head when [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], who'd been making the Sweeps, attacked them at a contaminated energon site. Barricade and all the sparks were killed and Strafe transformed into a monstrous new form, just as Slug had once been. In a ferocious battle, the Dinobots defeated Bliudgeon, Slug saved Swift in Barricade's name, and they learned the Alyon 'hot spot' had ''reactivated'' and Bludgeon had been 'experimenting' on it: without intending to, Slug had helped save the future of Cybertron. He did Barricade and Swift a solid by telling her to lie that the Dinobots had abducted them, Barricade had died doing heroic deeds, and she'd discovered the sparks. That done, he departed into the wilderness with the Dinobots (Strafe now in tow), feeling on an upswing. {{storylink|The Transformers: Redemption|Redemption}}

Months later, Slug and the rest of the Dinobots were still tracking Bludgeon but kept coming up empty. Checking a cave on a hillside, they encountered the remains of numerous Sweeps where Bludgeon had been experimenting when an [[Sandstorm (G1) |unseen sniper]] suddenly shot Slug twice in the back, narrowly missing his Spark. Realizing that his Combustion Chamber had been damaged, Slug ordered the other Dinobots to retreat before he fatally exploded. His corpse was recovered by Starscream, who wondered what might happen if it were given a mutated Sweep spark recovered from Bludgeon's lab. {{storylink|The Transformers: Salvation|Salvation}}

Sometime prior to the [[Iron Ring]]'s invasion of Cybertron, the experiments had succeeded in bringing Slug back to life, though he himself was unaware of the truth of his situation, simply believing he'd been healed from near-death. After [[Centurion (IDW)|Centurion]] had found the missing [[protoform]]s, Starscream lent Slug to Optimus Prime so they could track down the protoforms and turn them over to the Chancellor. {{storylink|The Dead Come Home, Part 1 (of 2)|The Dead Come Home, Part 1}} {{storylink|The Dead Come Home, Part 2 (of 2)|The Dead Come Home, Part 2}}

Though Slug managed to track down his former teammates, he fell under the influence of Bludgeon's [[Void Scepter]] and subsequently attacked them. {{storylink|The Dead Come Home, Part 1 (of 2)|The Dead Come Home, Part 1}} Though his friends managed to hold him back, Slug only regained his faculties once Starscream shattered the scepter. Himself again, Slug attempted to apologize only for Swoop to embrace him, dismissing casual attempts at murder as their version of a greeting. Though Slug didn't think highly of Optimus turning [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] into Earth's embassy on Cybertron, he conceded that they needed to be unified for whatever came next. {{storylink|The Dead Come Home, Part 2 (of 2)|The Dead Come Home, Part 2}}

When [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Onyx Prime]] returned to Cybertron and felled [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]], [[Marissa Faireborn]] tried to call the Dinobots into action. Though Slug was ready and willing to go, Trypticon himself overruled that decision and space bridged them all to Earth. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}}

Taking refuge atop [[Mount Rushmore]], Slug pondered whether their story was ending and bemoaned that the Dinobots had not been the ones to fell the Constructions. When Trypticon offered his sympathies, Slug declared him his favourite "robot space tyrannosaurus." {{storylink|Unstopped and Unstoppable}}

After [[Jazz (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Jazz]] had surrendered himself to the human authorities so [[Rom]] could make use of Trypticon's space bridge, the Dinobots began petitioning for their friend's release only for the [[Colonist Soldiers]] to come barging in on a half-cocked rescue mission. Though the Dinobots attempted to restraint the youths, [[Gimlet]] forgot his strength and fatally wounded [[Mainframe (G.I. Joe)|Mainframe]]. In a rage, Slug cleaved the Eukarian in twain prompting [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] to attack the Dinobot commander. Slug's retaliation left him open for [[Slide]] to attack him, denouncing him as no better than Optimus. Reminded of his issues with the Prime, and his promise to protect the new generation of Cybertronians, Slug was overcome with horror at his actions. Before he could fully process his misdeed, the [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]] returned with their [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]] army only for Jazz to finally get everyone to stand down. The tentative peace was ruined a second later when [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] appeared in the skies above Earth. {{storylink|Time Will Rust}}
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===''Hearts of Steel''===
[[File:SlagIceAge-HOS1.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1]]
Slag was one of the many Autobots who fought against the Decepticons on prehistoric Earth. {{storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 1|Hearts of Steel #1}}

{{IDW HOS}}

===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe''===
Slag was present when [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] presented the offworlders [[Clutch (G.I. Joe)|Clutch]], [[Breaker]], [[Cover Girl]], and [[Jinx]] as P.O.W.s to King Grimlock. Grimlock had no mercy for his captives, and promptly dropped them in a pool of [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticons]]. {{storylink|Funeral for a Friend}}

The Joes survived their trial, however, impressing Grimlock. The humans were escorted back to their allies on Cybertron, where Grimlock announced a truce between the Autobots and the Joes. Slag joined in the festivities that ensued to celebrate the newly forged alliance. {{storylink|Form Follows Function}} Soon thereafter, the mobile city of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] came under siege from both [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] and a mind-controlled [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. Slag rode into battle alongside [[Cover Girl]] and [[Stalker (G.I. Joe)|Stalker]] to drive back the enemy forces of Decepticobra. {{storylink|Everybody Hates Metroplex}} He and the other Dinobots participated in the final battle between the "Jotobot" alliance and Decepticobra. {{storylink|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe issue 12|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe #12}}
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===''Transformers: All Spark''===
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Revenge (All Spark)|Revenge}} {{storylink|Ray of Hope}} {{storylink|Great Aspirations}} {{storylink|Conclusion}}}}

===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons===
[[File:POTP-Ep1-Swamp-Windblade-throws-Slug-into-robot-mode.jpg|thumb|300px]]
{{voiceactor|[[Jamie Iracleanos]] (English)}}
When [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and his team arrived in the [[Primal Swamp]], Slug and the other Dinobots attacked the trespassers. Slug repeatedly attacked Windblade, but she managed to keep him off his guard using her speedy flight. Undeterred, Slug merged with his fellow Dinobots to become [[Volcanicus (Generations)|Volcanicus]]. {{storylink|The Swamp}} The Dinobots later separated, but were taken aback when Grimlock agreed to join Megatron's group. {{storylink|Primal (POTP)|Primal}} Unable to agree with the decision, Slug and the other Dinobots departed. Unfortunately, they were found by [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]] and [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Cron]], who attacked and soundly defeated them. Unable to move, Slug could only watch as Rodimus killed Sludge and departed with Overlord, leaving him and the others to mourn the loss of their own. {{storylink|Athenaeum Sanctorum (episode)|Athenaeum Sanctorum}} He was later severely weakened by the spark-draining power of [[The Fallen|Megatronus]]'s doomsday weapon. {{storylink|Collision Course}} Fortunately, he ultimately surived and he and the others reunited with Grimlock, collectively mourning Sludge. {{storylink|Saga's End}}
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===''Power of the Primes'' marketing material===
[[File:PowerOfThePrimes-DinobotSlug-CardArt.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|]]

The Dinobot Slug could wield powers of the [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]s by linking with [[Prime Master]]s. {{storylink|#Power of the Primes|''Power of the Primes'' Dinobot Slug packaging bio}}
{{note|For a list of powers manifested by Slug, see [[Prime Master/Combinations|this chart]].}}
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==Commercial appearances==
*Slag, [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], and [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] battled against [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] and [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] in the middle of a thunderstorm. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Dinobots|Dinobots commercial}}
*Slag and the Dinobots were beating up [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] when the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] intervened. The new arrivals then combined into Predaking and attacked the Dinobots from the skies. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Predacons|Predacons commercial}}
*Grimlock and Slag were trotting along through a field when they came under attack by Predaking. Though Grimlock was worried that they were in big trouble, Slag spotted [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] swooping down and assured Grimlock that they were safe. Indeed, Sky Lynx made short work of the giant Decepticon. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Sky Lynx|Sky Lynx commercial}}

==Games==
===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
{{Note|Slag is a non-playable character. He appears among the legion of Autobot duplicates in the Decepticon campaign.}}
{{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

===Transformers Legends===
At a time when their group was the Lightning Strike Coalition, Slug and Snarl were on a mission to find their leader Grimlock, who had disappeared. While searching the [[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]], they were ambushed by Hardshell and the Insecticons. Slug and Snarl were overwhelmed and taken prisoners to Shockwave's lab, where they are reunited with the rest of their squadron. Shockwave experimented on the Lightning Strike Coalition, transforming them into the monstrous Dinobots. This backfired on the Decepticon scientist, however, when the Dinobots used their newfound power to rise up against Shockwave and thrash his lab. {{storylink|Rescue the King}}

Following the disappearance of Grimlock and Swoop, Slug took charge of the remainder Dinobots, claiming he wouldn't obey orders from anyone else. The trio set out for the Decepticon base, and when Optimus tried to stop them, they attacked him. Wheeljack attempted to use his [[magnetic inducer]] on Slug and scanned the Dinobot. Having dealt with Optimus, the Dinobots continued towards the Decepticon base until the Autobots managed to overwhelm and imprison them. {{storylink|Day of the Dinobots - Part 1}} The trio were released during a night raid by Grimlock and Swoop. The five Dinobots marched on the Decepticon base, but were defeated by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]], and [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]. {{storylink|Day of the Dinobots - Part 2}}

When Optimus fell in battle during a massive Decepticon attack on Autobot City and Grimlock took command, Slug and the other Dinobots joined him in crushing the Decepticon forces. {{storylink|S.O.S. Dinobots (Legends)|S.O.S. Dinobots}}

Slug was caught up somehow in a [[Quintesson]] plot to kidnap several Autobots during the [[Galactic Olympics|Galactic Games]]. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness: Part 1}}

===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
[[File:Battle-Tactics-Slug.jpg|thumb|400px]]
[[File:Battle-Tactics-Slug-(G2).jpg|thumb|400px]]
Slug participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of him! He appeared in two different bodies:
*''Slug'' - This Epic character first appeared in the "Dinobots Destruction" stronghold event, and could could be recruited by collecting 500 units of Cybermetal, 250 units of Transmetal, and 50 cores of this character.
*''Slug (G2)'' - This Super Rare character was available as a reward in the "S.O.S. Dinobots!" stronghold event.
{{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}
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===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
[[File:SlugEarthWars.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75|]]
The process it takes to build up a fiery (3,000 degrees centigrade plus) blast and reduce an enemy to molten slag is hardly energy-efficient, but he doesn't care. It's firepower well spent in his book. As he often says, "I have no need for friends, even less for enemies." {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars| Slug Bio}}

Slag had a few head-on encounters with the Predacon [[Headstrong (G1)#Transformers: Earth Wars|Headstrong]].

*'''Class:''' Warrior
*'''Lowest Star Rating''': 2 star
*'''Weapons''': Slug headbutts and bashes opponents in his default dino mode.
*'''Ability: Flame Rush''': Rushes into combat spreading fire along the way, dealing some damage over 7 seconds!
**'''Cost''': 4 ability points +2 for reuses.
[http://wiki.transformersearthwars.com/character:slug| Slug at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[File:G1Slag toy.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|This... good enough for... Slag!]]
*'''Slag''' (Dinobot, 1985/1986/1991/1992)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''28'''
**''Accessories'': "Energo Sword", "Electron Blaster", "Rocket Pod", 3 rockets

:Slag was released as part of the second series of ''Transformers'' in 1985. The toy transformed into a robotic ''{{w|Triceratops}}'', and came with a missile launcher that could fit in the shoulder socket of both the robot and dinosaur, a red [[sword]], a silver "electro blaster" and three silver rockets. Like many ''[[Diaclone]]''-era toys, Slag had a conspicuous driver compartment contained in his chest.

:Slag is mistransformed in the photo at right: His [[robot mode]] legs can be slid out further.

:Slag was later re-released in the European-markets "[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]" series. In Japan, he and the other Dinobots were offered as mail-away items during [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Operation Combination (toyline)|Operation Combination]], at a cost of 2300 yen (his original retail price) and two [[Robot Point]]s.

:It also seems that Slag was designed to have fully moving legs (not just at the knee) but this was squared off. Careful filing to where the molded circle is can restore this functionality.

:In 1985, a variant of Slag was released in Canada. The variant has a red face, red fists, red tail support, and white thighs. The red painted torso also appears to be a brighter shade of red than the regular release.

::*''[http://www.transformerland.com/wiki/toy-info/transformers-g1-dinobots-slag/616/ Patent info, price guide, and further reading on Slag at Transformerland.com]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Autobot/Slag/slag.htm More information on Slag at TFU.info]''
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===Generation 2===
[[File:G2SlagGreen toy.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Me, Slag, no like... green!]]
*'''Slag''' (Dinobot, 1993)
**''Accessories'': "Kinetic Sword", "Blaster Gun"

:The original Slag toy went through several iterations in the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|''Generation 2'' line]]. First, he was re-released in the original silver base color; the only notable difference in the toy proper is the inclusion of the "AUTOBOT" [[tampograph]] on one of his robot mode legs.

:The toy then had its silver changed to red, and ''then'' changed again to dark green. The final green coloration is the most common, while the red and silver variations go for a little more on the secondary market.

:All three versions retain his original sword and rifle (which were renamed), but do not have the rocket pod or missiles from the Generation 1 release.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1993/Autobot/Slag/slag.htm More information on ''Generation 2'' Slag at TFU.info]''
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===Age of Extinction===
{{anchor|TRUEvolution}}
[[File:DOTM-toy Triceradon.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|''Ewww...'']]
*'''Dinobot Slug''' (Evolution 2-Pack, 2014)
**'''25 OF 30'''

:Available only at [[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]] stores in the U.S., Canada, Europe, and Asia, this ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)|Age of Extinction]]'' two-pack features the ''Generations'' Deluxe [[Slug (AOE)|Dinobot Slug]] toy, with no known differences from the normal retail release, packed with a seemingly unchanged ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' Mini-Con [[Triceradon (DOTM)|Triceradon]], described as 'Classic' Slug.

:Unlike the Strafe Evolution two-pack, which incorrectly depicted the original Generation 1 [[package art]] of the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobot]] [[Strafe (G1)|Strafe]] rather than Slag's fellow Dinobot [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] on the card bubble, the Slug two-pack's packaging correctly depicts G1 Slag.
{{ClassicsKnockdownMold}}
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===Transformers (2014)===
{{Anchor|SDCCDinobots}}
[[File:TF2014toy-SDCCDinobotSlug.jpg|thumb|upright=1.95]]
*'''Dinobots Generation One 4-pack''' (Deluxe, 2014)
**''Accessories:'' 2 swords

:Available only as part of the [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] [[exclusive]] "Dinobots Generation One 4-pack" that was first made available at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] [[2014]], Slug is a G1-inspired redeco of ''Age of Extinction'' Deluxe Class Slug. He comes packaged with [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#SDCCDinobots|Grimlock]], [[Swoop (G1)/toys#SDCCDinobots|Strafe]], and [[Snarl (G1)#SDCCDinobots|Snarl]], and their box unfolds into a diorama of the crashed [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] in [[Mount St. Hilary]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/SDCCSlug/slug.htm More information on 2014 Slug at TFU.info]''
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===Kre-O===
{{anchor|SDCC2015}}
*'''Kreon Class of '85''' (Kreon figure set, 2015)
**''Set number'': '''B5152'''
**''Voted'': The Criminal
**''Accessories'': Small pistol, sword

: ''[[Kre-O]]'' "Slug" (thank you, non-US slang) is a small brick-built [[Kreon]] figure, using the 2015-style construction with raised hands and the sturdier "peg-in-peg" torso/waist connection. His body [[tampograph]]s are heavily toy-based, but he has a red helmet to match the toy as shown in the original catalog, not the final version released in the US.

: He was only available as part of the [[San Diego Comic-Con]]-[[exclusive]] "[[Kreon Class of '85]]" 30-Kreon set. This set was also sold online through [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] after the show.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Autobot/SDCCKre-OSlug/slug.htm More information on Class of 1985 Slug at TFU.info]''
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===Generations===
====Platinum Edition====
[[File:Platinum-Edition-G1-Dinobots-Slug.jpg|right|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Dinobots''' (Platinum Edition 5-pack, 2015)
**''Accessories'': 2 swords

:Part of the ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' Dinobots 5-pack, "Dinobot Slug" is another redeco of ''Age of Extinction'' Slug, this time retooled to have a more G1-inspired head.

:Slug was bundled with Grimlock, [[Sludge (G1)#Platinum Edition|Slog]], Snarl, and Strafe.

: This set was initially released as a [[Toys"R"Us]] exclusive in Canada in October 2015, followed by Singapore a month later (although it's currently unknown whether it was exclusive to any particular store there or not). Much later, it became available via the Australian Toys"R"Us website (but never found in stores). In the United States, it was initally only available online via [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]] and [[BigBadToyStore]] before being found at discount chain Ross a year after its intial release in Canada.

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====Power of the Primes====
[[File:PotP Slug.jpg|right|upright=1.66|thumb|I'm going to Sla-i mean Slug you!]]
*'''Dinobot Slug''' (Deluxe Class, 2017)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''PP-11'''
**''Japanese release date'': '''2018-[[June 30|06-30]]'''
**''Accessories'': Blaster, Prime Armor/combiner hand, Prime Master gap filler/gun
:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' Slug is an all-new mold, visually simplified from his original G1 design, which can transform into a robotic ''Triceratops'', as well as form a limb for [[Volcanicus (Generations)#Toys|Volcanicus]] or any other ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]''-style combiner (or into one of [[Godbomber#Legends|''Legends'' Godbomber]]'s legs). Like the other Dinobots in this subline, Slug is partially composed of translucent plastic with gold paint on the inside to give him a 'layered' look reminiscent of his original toy. Like all other ''Power of the Primes'' Deluxe Class figures, he comes with Prime Armor with a place for a [[Prime Master#Toys|Prime Master]], [[Enigma of Combination#Generations|Enigma]], or [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Power of the Primes|Matrix core]]) that can transform into a hand for a combiner. It can be plugged into his back in ''Triceratops'' mode, or worn on either his chest or back in robot mode. He also comes with a piece that can fill the gap in the chest armor or be held as a gun.

:Despite his colossal footprint in robot mode, Slug has an annoying tendency to be back-heavy, even with his dedicated heel pieces. The peghole on Slug's leg used to attach the combiner feet is also ''very'' thinly molded and easily broken. ''Extreme'' caution should be taken when plugging anything into it or manipulating what may have already been inserted. Should the plastic snap, its tension will be severely reduced and may lead to the combiner hands or feet falling out. In some cases, it may simply not be possible to avoid breaking the peghole aside from not using it. The peghole on the bottom of his foot used for combiner hands is considerably thicker and less prone to breakage however.

:[[Stock photography]] shows him with a mistransformed beast mode: the ''Triceratops'' head/neck is adjustable to have the frill around the head stand up closer to the G1 dinosaur model. This does however mean the ''Triceratops'' head does not lock in place in dino mode, it simply rests atop the tabs which would otherwise secure it in place.

:While his instructions show his arms pointing toward the combiner torso in arm mode, the slots on the outside of his arms and pegs on his sides suggest they should be pointed backwards and pegged in place.

:In China, he was also released along with the other 4 Dinobots as a gift-set, exclusive to Hasbro China's TianMao site.<ref>https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=559183834163&skuId=3853426938808</ref>

:This mold was heavily retooled into fellow Dinobot [[Sludge (G1)#Power of the Primes|Sludge]].
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==Merchandise==
===Decoy===
*'''Cybertron Hero Collection 9''' (multi-pack, 1986)

*'''Slag''' (1987)
**''Decoy number:'' '''5'''

:The figurine was later brought over to [[Hasbro]] markets as part of the [[Decoy]] promotion, largely identical to the Japanese release except for the fact that the number on his back was replaced with a simple "checklist" number. Like all Autobot Decoys, he was a randomly-chosen pack-in available with the carded [[Throttlebot]]s, [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], and [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Decoys/Slag/slag.htm More information on Decoy Slag at TFU.info]''

===Robot Heroes===
[[File:Snarl & Sharkticon G1 Robot Heroes.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
*'''Snarl Vs Sharkticon''' (2009)
**''Series:'' Generation 1 Series

:A tiny, adorably homicidal "Slag" that came packaged with a [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]]. Like ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' [[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]], who was also designed with G1 Slag in mind, the Robot Heroes figure was released using the name of Slag's fellow Dinobot [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]], so Hasbro could release the toy in the United Kingdom ("Slag" is considered an insult there).

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/RHSnarl/snarl.htm More information on ''Robot Heroes'' "Snarl" at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
[[File:DiacloneSlag.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Hey Weevil. Check it out. My dinosaur is horny.]]
*Slag had the preliminary name of '''Tricerabot'''.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20071230210811/http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=41003 Post by Jim S on the Allspark Forums, 2007/12/25 (via the Internet Archive)]</ref>
*Slag's original toy was originally a ''[[Diaclone]]'' Dinosaur Robo Triceratops. In the ''Diaclone'' lore, this dinomech was a pilotable vehicle that could travel at speeds up of to 250 kilometers per hour and was designed for grasslands operation and melee combat. It also had a slightly different color scheme for its [[robot mode]] bits.
*The stock photos on Slag's box show him with colors closer to the cartoon: His head, hands, and back hinge are cast in red plastic and the legs are cast in white plastic. The Canadian release of Slag actually came in these colors. His horns are also chromed rather than bare red due to the mockup/prototype not needing to change them to soft plastic [[for safety reasons]].
*The European exclusive [[Action Master]] Decepticon [[Charger]] cribs Slag's quote, his [[function]], much of his [[bio]], and his [[Tech Spec]]s. Whether there was any relation intended between the characters or if the copywriters just got lazy is unknown.
*The overall design and transformation sequence of the original Slag toy served as the basis for '''[[:File:HornGeist.jpg|Horn Geist]]''', one of four recurring villainous henchmen on the Takara/Sunrise co-production ''[[Brave (franchise)|Brave Exkaiser]]''. In what might be called [[Beast (G1)|a vision of things to come]], the four "Geisters" were once briefly fused into a single robot called "[[:File:MadGeister.jpg|Mad Geister]]" (マッドガイスター ''Maddogaisutā''). However, because each Geister controlled a portion of the combined body—and, aside from [[:File:PteraGeist.jpg|Ptera Geist]], they had the accumulated brain power of a Froot Loop—this ended rather badly. In a more successful (if not [[Mega-Dinobot|also prescient]]) later development, the Geisters learned to merge in groups of two, with Horn Geist forming the upper body of "[[:File:PtederAndHormor.jpg|Hormor]]" (ホーマー ''Hōmā'').
*In the G1 cartoon, Neil Ross's portrayal of Slag was rarely consistent, frequently fluctuating in pitch between episodes, until it began steadily raising in pitch at a consistent rate. By the time of his final appearance in [[Call of the Primitives]], Slag's voice had hit a comically high register.
*{{anchor|Slug}}Slag's name is also [[Slag (slang)|a popular Cybertronian expletive]]. That just seems right, for some reason. In The Real World, Slag is also a term of abuse in the United Kingdom and some parts of Europe, which forced [[Hasbro]] to release toys (such as an ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' [[Snarl (Animated)|toy designed with G1 Slag in mind]]) under the name '''Snarl''' in the late 2000s to avoid possible problems with cultural sensitivities. [[Snarl (G1)|The original Snarl]] has yet to comment on the matter. ''[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron]]'' solved the issue without causing an identity crisis by calling the character "[[Slug (FOC)|Slug]]", a name that stuck with subsequent incarnations and was eventually applied to the original Slag as well.
*A Slag toy can be seen in the recreation of the Scottish artist Sir {{w|Eduardo Paolozzi}}'s studio at the Scottish {{w|Dean Gallery}}. This makes him the second [[Grimlock (G1)/toys|Dinobot]] to have a toy in a museum.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Slag''' (スラッグ ''Suraggu''), '''Slug''' (スラッグ ''Suraggu'')
*''Czech:'' '''Cent'''
*''French:'' '''Scories'''
*''Hungarian:'' '''Salak'''
*''Italian:'' '''Tricex'''
*''Mandarin:'' '''Tiě Zhā''' (铁渣, "Iron Slag")
*''Portuguese:'' '''Chapado''' (Brazil comic)

==See also==
{{OtherVersions
|charname=Slug
|disambig=Slug (disambiguation)
|body=
*[[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]], the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobot]] ''Triceratops'' from [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|''Animated'']].
*[[Slug (FOC)|Slug]], the [[Dinobot (FOC)|Dinobot]] ''Triceratops'' from the [[Aligned continuity family]].
*[[Slug (AOE)|Slug]], the [[Dinobot (AOE)|Dinobot]] ''Triceratops'' from ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (franchise)|Age of Extinction]]''.}}

==References==
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[[Category:Combiners]]
[[Category:Decoys]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Dinobots]]
[[Category:Generation 2 Autobots]]
[[Category:IDW Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Kre-O Autobots]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:Mail order items]]
[[Category:Platinum Edition]]
[[Category:Power of the Primes]]
[[Category:Primal Vanguard]]
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]
[[Category:SDCC exclusives]]
[[Category:The Headmasters Autobots]]
[[Category:Wings Universe Autobots]]

Roller (IDW)

2019-03-28T03:59:52Z

NovaSaber: /* IDW Generation 1 continuity */

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{{disambig3.5|the pre-war policeman Autobot|G1 Optimus Prime's drone unit|Roller (G1)|Roller}}
:''Roller is a [[Transformer]] from the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:MTMTE36cover-Roller.jpg|upright=1.6|thumb|Juice Box Hero.]]
'''Roller''' was a good friend to [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]] and [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] in the pre-war days. He served alongside Pax in the police force until... ''something'' happened to him.

He's known for being one chatty chappy! Despite his friendly nature and his incredible strength (he's one of the mighty [[Point One Percenter]]s), he's not that confident in his abilities. He'll focus on what others can do that he ''can't'', rather than what he can.

==Fiction==
===IDW 2005 continuity===
{{first|[[Shadowplay, Part 1: Post Hoc|''More than Meets the Eye'' #9]] (mentioned); [[Shadowplay, Part 2: Patternism|#10]] (on-panel)}}

[[File:Shadowplay Roller feet up.jpg|upright=1.95|thumb|left|Ehhh, I'll do it later.]]
Roller was one of Orion Pax's fellow officers at [[Rodion]], a gifted investigator and a trusted ally with a fondness for TV. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 2: Patternism|Patternism}} Roller was on secondment at [[Tesk]] when his fellow officers [[Springarm]] and [[Wheelarch]] were killed by [[Kroma]] and the [[Senate]]'s thugs. {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (1): Metastasis|Metastasis}}

Following Orion's defeat of [[Sonic (G1)|Sonic]] and [[Boom]] in the [[Dead End (place)|Dead End]], he had Roller send in a containment trailer to arrest them. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 1: Post Hoc|Post Hoc}} Roller later helped Orion by locating the [[Relinquishment Clinic]] closest to his location and bringing [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Senator Shockwave]] into protective custody. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 2: Patternism|Patternism}}

He was a bit worried about Orion's attachment to Shockwave, having investigated the Senator and found that he had befriended and modified other people besides him, but only got Orion angry at him by sharing this information. Roller remained at the police station to protect Shockwave while Orion was breaking into the [[Primal Basilica]], but was defeated by [[Kroma]]'s cronies when they broke into the place in search for the Senator. Orion tried to save them both, but Kroma convinced Shockwave to surrender himself by holding Roller hostage.

Ratchet recalled these events as "the last time the three of us [himself, Pax and Roller] were together" {{storylink|Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|An Intimate Beheading}} as Pax, Roller, and the Outliers had to go on the run after that and Ratchet remained behind to look after his patients. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 1: All Our Parlous Yesterdays|All Our Parlous Yesterdays}} The last conversation the two would have would be Roller mentioning they'd find it hard to stay in touch and Ratchet, unable to bring himself to say goodbye, making noncommittal noises. {{storylink|Our Steps Will Always Rhyme}}

The fugitives would find themselves constantly fighting [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime's]] [[Elite Guard]]. The incredible abilities of the outliers made Roller feel useless, despite his considerable power: he knew Orion Pax kept him on the team because they were friends and didn't think that was enough. To give himself an edge, he began taking the [[circuit speeder]] C32.

[[File:AllOurParlousYesterdays-Roller.jpg|upright=1.8|thumb|RECTANGLE CAR NYOOOOOOM]]
In 1st cycle 502, Roller and the gang were fighting to protect a [[reproduction|spark hot spot]] in [[Alyon]] from being taken or exterminated by Sentinel. They were joined by members of the ''[[Lost Light]]'' crew [[time travel|of four million years later]], who claimed that [[Zeta Prime|Zeta]] had sent them to help. From this group, [[Rung (G1)|Rung]] tested Roller's carton of [[Kremzeek (G1)|Kremzeek]] and realised it contained C32, questioning about his habit. Roller admitted to his insecurity, saying "not everyone is born special"—even though, as Rung noted, he ''had'' been. In the final battle to save the sparks, as the Elite Guard bombarded them, Roller refused to let Orion Pax risk his life to harvest sparks and did it himself, saying he needed this. Roller was badly wounded in the process, driving Pax to a rage.

[[File:DoNotGoGentle CenseresavesRoller.jpg|upright=1.0|thumb|left|Dude, circuit speeders give you one hell of a hangover...]]
Roller was missing in the aftermath of the battle, and Pax ordered his crew to look for him. Unfortunately, after the visitors [[Mnemosurgery|altered the short term memories]] of Pax's crew, everyone forgot he was missing... {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 1: All Our Parlous Yesterdays|All Our Parlous Yesterdays}}

...so it was handy for him a different time traveler, [[Mortilus|Censere]], had brought him to the future as part of his mission to save Cybertronians on his list of the [[Disappeared]]! As travel using a single [[time case]] was hazardous, Roller was placed in stasis within the [[Necroworld]], millions of years later, and disguised with holograms to appear as an organic being. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}} Unaware of this, Optimus would name his [[Roller (G1)|drone module]] after his old friend.

Many years later, ''a'' Roller was considered for an exploring mission that went to [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]]. Better hope they didn't think a presumed dead guy was better than you, Wheelie! {{storylink|Spotlight: Wheelie}}

During [[Team Rodimus]]'s battle with the [[Decepticon Justice Division]] on the Necroworld, a groggy Roller woke up with his fellow rescuees to find himself in a weird place with a [[Velocity (G1)|green stranger]] and an emotional Ratchet hugging him. He'd also found the time case, and watched quietly as a long-running drama involving Megatron played out in front of him. Afterwards one such stranger, Velocity, introduced herself to him {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}} and [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] began to introduce him to others the next day. One other, [[Tailgate (G1)|titchy tiny Tailgate]], amused him by picking him up and carrying him around.

[[File:Anomie Roller and Rewind chat.jpg|upright=1.0|thumb|In English, please?]]
Poor Roller got drafted into "Team Rodimus" and brought on an experimental quantum <strike>leap</strike> warp back to Cybertron. He proudly confirmed with GPS they were in Central [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], only for them to learn they'd accidentally crossed to the Cybertron of [[Functionist Universe|a parallel universe]]! {{storylink|Dissolution Part 1: Some Other Cybertron|Some Other Cybertron}} To his confusion, everyone ''but'' him seemed to know what was up with this universe and Rewind's answer was no help. A team of rebels, the [[Anti-Vocationist League]], showed up to free them but, as a dismayed Roller said, they were ''rubbish''. When [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]] decided they should break free and help, Roller took commands from Megatron on the best way to take out [[functionary|functionaries]]. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 2: Anomie|Anomie}} Along with everyone else, he witnessed [[Kalis|the sanctuary of Adaptica]], the fake-out of Rung's alternate mode, {{storylink|Dissolution Part 3: A World Misplaced|A World Misplaced}} and the arrival of a battle-prepped [[Moonbase Two|Luna 2]] come to devour said sanctuary (Embarrassingly, the last one after he congratulated the locals for getting their moon back). {{storylink|Dissolution Part 4: Bad Moon Rising|Bad Moon Rising}}

While defending Adaptica alongside Megatron, Roller told him he reminded him of his good friend Orion Pax, hey, I think you met him once. The two of them discussed where Pax must be in this world and Roller, dismayed, had to admit that all signs pointed to dead or missing; certainly, he wasn't picking up when Roller called his personal frequency. As Luna 2 began to erase the city, Roller was sent to order an evacuation of the defence force. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 5: Modes of Production|Modes of Production}} Roller and the others use the weaponized Luna 2 to teleport back to Necroworld, where Brainstorm had prepared the means to return them to their proper reality. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 6: This Machine Kills Fascists|This Machine Kills Fascists}} Roller joined the former crew of the ''Lost Light'' as they prepared to continue their quest by modifying a dead Decepticon named [[Skip]] into a workable space craft. {{storylink|After Megatron (A Dissolution Epilogue)|After Megatron}}

Skip was a tight fit for all of Rodimus's crew, particularly a Heavyweight-class like Roller. He tried to stretch out and sleep in vehicle mode, only for Rewind and [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] to sneak inside for...canoodling. Things got mildly worse when the mass displacement override shut down and the ship began shrinking, ultimately killing everyone on board. {{storylink|Sardines}}

So, after they died, Roller and the group found themselves in the [[Transformer afterlife|Afterspark]]. As you do. Roller was delighted to reconnect with [[Springarm]], a fellow officer from Rodion who died over four million years ago. Roller had always felt guilty about not being around when [[Kroma]] attacked the precinct, killing Springarm and [[Wheelarch]] and leaving Orion Pax to fend for himself. But Springarm forgave him, bringing Roller a step closer towards accepting ascension into the Matrix. {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (1): Metastasis|Metastasis}} It was eventually discovered that the Afterspark was not what it seemed, however. They were actually on [[Cyberutopia]], in fact a euthanasia clinic of a world designed to guide the terminally ill into peacefully accepting death. Their friends and loved ones were holomatter-based projections, which soon faded away. {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (3): You Are Here|You Are Here}}

[[File:LL 24 Four Matrices.jpg|upright=2.6|thumb|left|Roller happy at last :)]]
Things only got worse when Roller and company were attacked by the crew of the ''Lost Light'', reduced to feral [[Sparkeater (creature)|Sparkeaters]] by [[Getaway]] and [[Scorponok (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Scorponok]] on behalf of a mysterious figure called the [[Adaptus|Grand Architect]]. Roller joined an assault team that entered the ''Lost Light'' to defeat their adversaries. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 1): A Dance Before Dying|A Dance Before Dying}} They were forced into battling Red [[Scraplet]]s in the oil reservoir, but fortunately survived thanks to Whirl's affinity to the creatures. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 2): Lūstrāre|Lūstrāre}} After Getaway was killed and Scorponok seen off, the entire cast regrouped aboard the ''Lost Light'' before being captured by the Grand Architect. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 3): Farsickness|Farsickness}}

He was with everyone else when the [[Functionist Council]]'s false effigy of [[Primus]] entered the universe through the rift in space {{storylink|Crucible (Part 4): The Return of the King|The Return of the King}} and watched over [[Flame (Marvel)|Flame]] to make sure he didn't try something funky. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 5): The Unremembering|The Unremembering}} Together with Chromedome and Rewind, Roller was dispatched to [[Port Residua]] to open a [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] and help shut down the Functionist Council. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 6): A Spark Among Embers|A Spark Among Embers}}

===''Unite Warriors''===
[[File:RollerNewBody-GrandGalvatronChapter.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6|[[Unicron|He]] saw me wanderin', hatin'.]]
{{main|Roller (G1)#Japanese cartoon continuity}}
{{note|In [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Japanese Generation 1 continuity]], Roller the full-size Transformer and Roller the buggy drone are one and the same individual. For full details of Roller's exploits in that continuity, see the above-linked article.}}
Roller was [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]'s long-time partner until the Autobot leader's death in the [[Battle of Autobot City]], which left an unfortunate Roller stranded between dimensions. Over time, his memories faded, until all that remained was an implacable desire to visit revenge upon Optimus Prime. Eventually, Roller was plucked back into his home dimension, in a new body, by [[Unicron]], who sought vengeful warriors to serve as components of the "[[Grand Galvatron]]" combiner.

Grand Galvatron proceeded to attack Cybertron, and after the combiner was forcibly separated, Roller was nearly able to prevent the resurrection of Optimus Prime. However, in the battle against Unicron that followed, Roller decided to put aside his anger and fight alongside his old partner. After helping form Grand Galvatron for an all-out assault on Unicron, Roller then served as an arm with which [[Optimus Maximus (G1)|Optimus Maximus]] landed the final blow against the Chaos Bringer.

In the battle's aftermath, Roller's memories returned and his anger disappeared, but he soon learned that Optimus's new lease on life would last just seven days. When his old partner passed away again, Roller volunteered to watch over his remains until Prime could be revived once more, so that they would never again have to part ways.
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==Toys==
===Generations===
[[File:TTGenerationsTG24OptimusRoller.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The other Roller. No, the ''other'' other Roller.]]
*'''Optimus Prime & Bumblebee''' (Multi-pack, 2013-[[September 28|09-28]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TG24'''
**''Accessories'': Ion Blaster
:The Japanese release of ''Generations'' Legends Class [[Roller (G1)#Generations|Roller]] redecoes him in metallic blue. He comes in a [[TakaraTomy]] four-pack with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#OPandBee|Optimus Prime]], as well as [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#OPandBee|Bumblebee]] and [[Blaze Master#OPandBee|Blazemaster]]. Though he isn't designed to look like IDW Roller, his bio describes him as a partner of Orion Pax in the Cybertron police force, so...
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===Unite Warriors===
[[File:TF-Unite-Warriors-UW06-Roller.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Comic-accuracy? Never heard of it.]]
*'''Grand Galvatron''' ([[2016]]-[[April 30|04-30]])
**''ID number:'' '''UW-06'''
:A [[redeco]] of ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' [[Rook (Generations)#Generations|Rook]] (the first release of this mold in Japan), "Wandering Roller" features a color scheme based on his appearance in IDW comics. His vehicle mode, meanwhile, homages the original [[Roller (G1)|Roller]].

:As a Deluxe Class ''Combiner Wars'' mold, he can combine to form the leg or arm of any combiner from ''Combiner Wars'' or ''Unite Warriors'' combiner, but is usually associated with Grand Galvatron, as mentioned above.

:He was released as part of a Grand Galvatron giftset along with [[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Tactician Cyclonus]], [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Ghost Starscream]], [[Thrust (Armada)#Unite Warriors 2|Curse Armada Thrust]], and [[Breakdown (WFC)#Unite Warriors 2|Zombie War Breakdown]].
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==Notes==
[[File:IDW Roller CharacterModel.jpg|upright=1.6|thumb|80% legs]]
*[[James Roberts]] confirmed that Roller ''was'' a separate person from the other Roller in an interview. This was partly to mess with us by having someone so different from the Roller we knew, partly to suggest that Optimus named his drone after someone, and partly to give Orion Pax a friend who's no longer around so we'll wonder "whatever happened to Roller?!". (Ratchet's mention of "the last time" was to make us think Roller was going to die, to build tension; Roberts laments he now can't have Roller, Ratchet, and Pax hang out post-"Shadowplay".)<ref>[http://theunderbase.libsyn.com/the-underbase-deconstructs-shadowplay "The Underbase Podcast Deconstructs Shadowplay", 39:43 - 41:54]</ref>
*In the same interview, Roberts and Milne say Roller was drawn so big because he transforms into a Cybertronian paddy wagon.
*For some time, a popular speculation among the readership of ''More than Meets the Eye'' was that Roller was the secret identity of [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]]. [[Elegant Chaos Part 1: All Our Parlous Yesterdays#Other trivia|Issue #36]] subsequently dropped an absurd number of teases in support of this theory, which were revealed as nothing more than cheeky red herrings when Tarn was unmasked in [[The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|issue #55]]. Furthering the joke, the reveal of Roller as alive and intact, also in that issue, came on the page immediately after Velocity asks about the DJD leader's identity (and immediately before Tarn's ''real'' unmasking).

==References==
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Roller (G1)

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{{disambig3.5|G1 Optimus Prime's drone unit|the pre-war policeman Autobot|Roller (IDW)|Roller}}
:''Roller is a component of [[Autobot]] leader [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:Roller .jpg|upright=1.95|thumb|Roller should not look this cool.]]
In [[robot mode]], Optimus Prime splits into three components:

*A sentient robot module, the [[Brain Center]]
*A wheeled drone module known as '''Roller'''.
*A [[Combat Deck (G1)|Combat Deck]].

Although Optimus Prime can function as three independent modules, injury to any one module is felt by the other two.

Roller is a small, cart-shaped device that Optimus Prime uses to slip unobtrusively behind enemy lines. He can maintain radio control over Roller at distances up to 1200 miles. Having Roller present somewhere is like being there himself.

Roller is a droid, able to function autonomously without Optimus's active oversight. But without Optimus, by far the most important of the three modules, Roller would not survive. Optimus shows great attachment and concern for Roller, who is left particularly vulnerable by the behind-the-scenes situations in which it specializes.

At least in one alternate reality, Roller combines with [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] to form [[Grand Galvatron]].

Roller's nature varies: in some realities, he is a drone component of Optimus Prime, while in others he is a sentient individual. Sometimes he is previously known as '''Barrelroller''' and later becomes known as the '''Micro Carrier''' (マイクロキャリア ''Maikuro Kyaria'') or '''Apex Bomber'''.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
[[File:Roller deploy.jpg|left|thumb|Roller's one tough little Autobot.]]
When [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] and [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] were caught by [[Decepticon]]s, and with the clock ticking on the bomb they planted, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] sent Roller into the mine. When the bomb exploded, Optimus was nearly destroyed, {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 2}} but Roller emerged cheekily unscathed, prompting [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] to observe "Roller's one tough little Autobot!" {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 3}}

[[File:Roller outsmart.jpg|thumb|Roller exploits a tactical opening.]]

Another of [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]'s schemes involved sabotaging the Autobots' recharging chamber with a personality destabilizer device, turning a good number of them, including Optimus Prime, "evil". When the unaffected Autobots attempted to restore Prime back to normal, he split into his three components. Both Roller and the Combat Deck attempted to take the Autobots out, but [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] was able to nail them both with attitude exchangers and stop their attacks. {{storylink|Attack of the Autobots (episode)|Attack of the Autobots}}

The Autobots were stuck in [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] by the evil [[Transfixatron]]. With [[Ironhide (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ironhide]] in the claws of Megatron's car-crushing machine, only Roller could save the day! Roller led the Decepticons on a merry chase, allowing Optimus to rescue Ironhide from the jaws of undignified death! {{storylink|The Autobot Run}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====Toy bios=====
Several million years ago on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], when Optimus Prime was a mere transport and delivery worker known as Orion Pax, Roller was an industrial droid known as Barrelroller.<ref>The name "Barrelroller" only appears in the official English-language translations of Orion Pax's bio on Takara's e-HOBBY site. In the Japanese-language version of the bio—both online and on the pack-in bio card from the toy—Barrelroller is called simply "Roller".</ref> He transformed into an electromagnetic lift handle that helped Orion in his warehouse work moving heavy cargo. When Orion was fatally wounded by Megatron and rebuilt by [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] as Optimus Prime, Barrelroller was rebuilt into Roller.

=====''Unite Warriors''=====
[[File:RollerNewBody-GrandGalvatronChapter.jpg|thumb|upright=1|"Sometimes, when people hire me to slay, I slay the people they hired me to slay, and then I slay the people who hired me to slay the people I slayed for them!"]]
After Optimus Prime died in the [[Unicron War]], Roller was trapped between dimensions {{Storylink|Baldigus Chapter, Part Two}} and consigned to soul-crushing wandering. His anger and despair as he journeyed created an emotional and malicious energy that attracted the attention of [[Unicron]]. His scattershot memory didn't tell much, but what he knew was his burning hatred for [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] of the [[Autobot]]s. {{storylink|#Unite Warriors 2|''Unite Warriors'' bio}} As part of his plan to avert [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] from using his body as "[[Grand Galvatron]]", Unicron summoned Roller to his universe, christening him as "Wandering Roller" and giving him the ability to become a limb for Grand Galvatron. The assembled team was ordered to invade [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] so that the planet could serve as Unicron's new body, but Galvatron summarily ignored his request and set out to conquer the planet for himself. {{storylink|Grand Galvatron Chapter}}

[[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], the main component of Grand Galvatron, had the group undergo training by exposing them to the lava pools of [[Thrull]]. The training regiment wasn't much of a challenge to Roller, though, who finished his time in the lava quickly so he could relax and sip on an [[energon cube]]. {{storylink|Unite Warriors Offshot#Special Training in the Lava Baths of Planet Thrull!|Special Training in the Lava Baths of Planet Thrull!}}

When Grand Galvatron attacked Cybertron, Roller and the others were separated into their individual forms by [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] and continued the battle on foot. He made his way into [[Vector Sigma]]'s chamber, where [[Ratchet (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ratchet]] was trying to resuscitate [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]], and saw his chance to get revenge on Prime by destroying his body. He was stopped in his attempt by [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]], then re-combined with the rest of the team to do battle with [[Sky Reign]]. {{storylink|Sky Reign Chapter}} This face-off would be interrupted by the arrival of [[Megaempress]] and her [[4 Guards]]. In the chaos that followed, Grand Galvatron's limbs fled in terror and Roller and Breakdown were forced by [[Flowspade]] to become fists for her "Transplay" ninja technique. {{Storylink|Megatronia Chapter}} Roller was eventually released from this state and rushed to Optimus's defense when Unicron arrived with his upgraded [[Commando (RID)|Combatrons]], recognizing the evil god as the greater threat. {{Storylink|Baldigus Chapter, Part One}}

[[File:BaldigusChapter2 ConvoyGrandPrimeRollerEdition.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]
With Galvatron II's spirit excised from his body, Cyclonus called upon his teammates to help defend Cybertron from Unicron and the five combined into Grand Galvatron to help the other combiners in their attack against the evil god. When [[Optimus Maximus (G1)|Optimus Maximus]] was split up by one of Unicron's attacks, Roller rushed to his old commander's side, granting his power as an arm for one last punch that sent Unicron back to the [[Triple Z Point]]. In the aftermath, Roller regained his memories of his past life as Optimus's partner and was saddened by his leader's admission that he had only seven days left to live. When Optimus Prime died again, Roller stood guard over his body, promising to never part with him again and hoping for a [[Zodiac|new power]] that would be able to resurrect his beloved partner. {{Storylink|Baldigus Chapter, Part Two}}
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=====''The Battlestars''=====
When Optimus Prime was restored to life as Star Convoy, he was equipped with an upgraded version of Roller known as the Micro Carrier.{{fact}}

The Micro Carrier would be instrumental in the Autobots' victory over the [[Novaroid|Great Novaroids]]. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (story page)|The Battlestars story page #7}}

====''Wings Universe''====
{{Wingsnote}}
[[File:BattleLines1-DionOrionAriel.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|Bad touch! Bad touch!]]
Nine million years ago, Barrelroller was carried around by [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Orion Pax]], who worked at [[storage yard 67]] along with his friends [[Elita One (G1)|Ariel]] and [[Dion (G1)|Dion]]. {{storylink|Battle Lines, Part 1}}
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===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics====
{{noteukonly}}
''[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] used his Roller unit to command a battle in [[Washington, D.C.]] while actually sneaking away from the action to find [[Ravage (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ravage]]. [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]] swooped in and destroyed Roller, causing Optimus Prime to double over in pain, and ironically saving him from the Insecticon [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]]'s [[cerebro-shell]].'' {{storylink|Plague of the Insecticons!}}

====Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic====
[[File:Roller g2.jpg|100px|thumb|Roller's extreme phase in the '90s.]]

Roller provided covering fire for Optimus Prime and [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] as they fled the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian]] army. {{storylink|Total War!}}
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===Ladybird Books continuity===
[[File:MegatronsFightforPower Roller.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|They see me rollin', they hatin'.]]
[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]]'s sally to sneakily sabotage the Solar Station was stymied by a sealed storage-door. Roller to the Rescue! Sent scuttling through the sage, secreted from [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s sight, to supply a Cybertronian [[sonic multi-tool]]. Roller had saved the day!

''Spike's subsequent sabotage of the solar station and ensuing detonation of the [[energon cube]]s in it could be construed (in some small way) to save the day as well.''
{{storylink|Megatron's Fight for Power}}
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===Highway Clash===
{{notemultipath}}
Optimus and [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] secretly guarded a shipment of microchips that could be used to imbue sentience onto robots. While on this mission, Optimus had brought along Roller for extra protection against possible Decepticon threats. {{storylink|Highway Clash}}

===''Q-Robo Transformer''===
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Q-Robo Transformer}}}}

===IDW 2005 continuity===
In his policeman days, Optimus had a good friend called [[Roller (IDW)|Roller]]; he named his drone component after him.<ref>[http://theunderbase.libsyn.com/the-underbase-deconstructs-shadowplay "The Underbase Podcast Deconstructs Shadowplay"], 39:43 - 41:54</ref>

[[File:Escalation5 Roller.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|You feelin' lucky, punk?]]

At [[Brasnya]], [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] ordered [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] to wait for Optimus Prime to come into range before firing on him. Optimus discreetly sent Roller ahead to intercept Blitzwing, and at the last moment, Roller blew him up good. {{storylink|Escalation issue 4|Escalation #4}} Unfortunately, the same trick didn't work on Megatron, who buried the poor guy under a pile of rocks. However, this bought Optimus Prime the time to transfer his consciousness to his trailer section. {{storylink|Escalation issue 5|Escalation #5}}
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===Ask Vector Prime===
[[File:ApexBomber BioPic.jpg|thumb|The Heroic Apex Bomber What Bombs at the Apex.]]
[[Vector Prime]] clarified that in some universes, Roller would indeed be upgraded into '''[[Apex Bomber]]'''. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/27}}

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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[File:Roller g1 toy.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Many colors: Roller has been released in dark blue (shown), light blue, purple, dark purple, silver, and black.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (1984)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-01'''

: Roller was included with the original [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Generation 1|Optimus Prime]] toy (as well as its many rereleases). Roller is a small, six-wheeled vehicle that is stored in the trailer portion. The seats are scaled to allow Roller to carry ''[[Diaclone]]'' figures, due to its use in the prior toyline. The [[trailer]]/[[Combat Deck (G1)|Combat Deck]] features a spring-loaded device that is capable of launching Roller out of the combat deck. Roller has a hole on top to hold the included oil pump or Optimus's gun. As a result of the original Optimus Prime's production variants (prior to rerelease), Roller was molded in silver plastic (the trailer's exterior color) as well as various shades of blue, indigo and purple (mold colors of the corresponding Optimus's fists/legs/Combat Deck unit).
: As an homage to the silver Roller pictured in the G1 cartoon, some 2000s re-issues of Optimus Prime/Convoy have included Roller molded in that Prime's blue color, only ''painted'' silver. (Only the New Year Special and 25th Anniversary Rollers have been left blue, and unpainted.)

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Roller (with Optimus Prime) at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Jafcon convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy Black Version''' (2000)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''01'''

:Along with Prime, Roller received a [[black repaint]] as a exclusive for the Japanese convention JAFCON.

::::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Cybertron/JAFConvoy/jafconvoy.htm More information on Black Roller (with Optimus Prime) at TFU.info]''
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===Commerorative Series===
[[File:GodGinrai toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Powermaster Optimus Prime with Apex Armor''' (2003)
:When Hasbro [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#ApexArmorPrime|re-released]] Optimus Prime's [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#PMOP|Powermaster toy]] in the ''[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Generation One Commemorative Series]]'', it was simply a repackaging of Takara's earlier [[Ginrai (human)|God Ginrai]] [[Ginrai (human)#GodGinrai|re-release]], including [[Godbomber]], which had only been sold in the Japanese market. In adapting the toy's presentation for an English-speaking audience, Hasbro was adding a whole new element to Prime's fiction, as Ginrai and Godbomber had nothing to do with [[Convoy (rank)|Convoy]]. Thus did Godbomber become "Apex Bomber," which merged with Prime as "Apex Armor."

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/ApexBomber/apexbomber.htm More info on Apex Bomber at TFU.info]''
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===Collector's Edition===
[[File:Barrelroller g1.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|The joke "do a barrel roll" has been used so many times now it's lost meaning.]]
*'''Orion Pax''' (2006)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''67'''

: This Japanese e-HOBBY exclusive was a redeco of [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]] [[Recoil (G1)#Generation 1|Recoil]]. As [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Collector's Edition|Orion Pax]] is meant to represent an early version of Optimus Prime, his Targetmaster partner, Barrelroller, is meant to represent an early version of Roller. This is the first version of Roller to actually transform, from robot to an electromagnetic lift handle.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/OrionPax/orionpax.htm More information on Barrelroller (with Orion Pax) at TFU.info]''
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===Return of Convoy===
[[File:StarConvoy toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Star Convoy''' (Powered Master, 1991, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-372'''
: This [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Return of Convoy|toy]] from the ''[[Transformers: Return of Convoy (franchise)|Return of Convoy]]'' line included an upgraded Roller named the Micro Carrier, patterned after a tracked ballistic missile carrier.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1991/Cybertron/StarConvoy/starconvoy.htm More information on the Micro Carrier (with Star Convoy) at TFU.info]''
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===Generation 2===
[[File:G2Prime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (1993, 1994)
: A [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Generation 2|slightly altered version]] of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime, it included Roller.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1993/Autobot/Roller/roller.htm More information on ''Generation 2'' Roller at TFU.info]''
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===Smallest Transforming Transformers===
[[File:WSTF Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''G1 Convoy Trailer''' (2003)
**''Japanese ID Number:'' '''GTF-01B (trailer)'''
: [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Smallest Transforming Transformers|Prime's]] Combat Deck was available separately as a shortpacked figure. Included was a tiiiiny Roller. Awww!

: In wave 2.5, it was again available in cartoon colors as a [[Chase figure|chase figure]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Cybertron/SmallestCombatDeck/combatdeck.htm More information on ''Smallest'' Roller (with Combat Deck) at TFU.info]''
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===Hybrid Style===
[[File:THS02Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''G1 Convoy''' (2006)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''THS-02'''
: [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Hybrid Style|THS-02 G1 Convoy]] is a finely detailed, partially die-cast metal transforming toy of G1 Optimus Prime. It comes with a fully transforming and highly detailed trailer that opens up into its Combat Deck/repair bay, as well as Roller, who features four-wheel steering.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Cybertron/HybridConvoy/convoy.htm More information on ''Hybrid Style'' Roller (with Optimus Prime) at TFU.info]''
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===Encore===
*'''Convoy''' (2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''01'''

: Roller is included in this [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Encore|reissue of the original Optimus Prime toy]], painted in "anime" colors (light gray).

===Universe (2008)===
[[File:Universetoy 25th anniversary optimus prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime 25th Anniversary Pack'''
:Roller is reissued with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Optimus]] in blue, as Hasbro wanted the unit to match Prime's fists. It was originally intended to be grey.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/25thOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on 25 Anniversary Roller (with Optimus Prime) at TFU.info]''
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===Masterpiece===
[[File:MP-10 toy photo.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2]]
*'''Convoy''' (2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-10'''
:[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#mp10|MP-10 Convoy]] is an entirely new, smaller tooling (Compared to the original MP-01 Optimus) of Generation 1 Optimus Prime, and comes with a new version of Roller. Roller is silver, is capable of towing Prime's [[Combat Deck (G1)#mp10|trailer]], can be ridden by the included [[Spike Witwicky (G1)#Masterpiece|Spike Witwicky]] figurine, and the included [[Ion blaster#mp10|Ion blaster]] can mount on its back.

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[[File:Eva-optimus.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.67]]
*'''Convoy Mode "Eva"''' ([[2014]]-[[November 28|11-28]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-10'''

:''[[Transformers × Evangelion]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#eva|Convoy Mode "Eva"]] is a redeco of MP-10 Convoy complete with Roller, who is decoed in a military olive color and emblazoned with the [[NERV]] insignia. This toy was limited to 1,000 pieces.

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[[File:MP711-Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|]]
*'''Convoy (7-Eleven ver.)''' ([[2018]]-[[February 28|02-28]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-711'''

:Available exclusively from Japanese 7-11 stores, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#mp711|MP-711]] is a [[7-Eleven]]-themed Optimus Prime, with an accordingly colored Roller.

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[[File:Masterpiece-MP44-Convoy-V3.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|All this for the low, low price of an arm, a leg, and your firstborn son!]]
*'''Convoy''' ([[2019]]-[[August 24|08-24]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-44'''

:This version of Roller is an entirely new mold included with the third ''Masterpiece'' Convoy, MP-44. Gray in color, he can interact with many of the included components and accessories: storing in the trailer, as expected, seating the included Spike, Sparkplug and/or Carly figures, and towing the repair drone, which can now separate from the trailer, has its own wheels, and also doubles as a flight-stand for when Optimus Prime wears his backpack.

{{Comingsoontoy}}
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===Transformers (2010)===
[[File:Transformers2010toy-HasbroMP10OptimusPrime-Roller.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Masterpiece Optimus Prime''' (2012)
:The Hasbro ''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers]]'' [[Toys"R"Us]]-[[exclusive]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#mp10hasbro|release]] of MP-10 Convoy also redecoes Roller, this time in blue. It retains all of the functionality and [[gimmick]]ry from the previous release.

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===Generations===
[[File:Generationstoy-T30-LegendsOptimusPrimeRoller.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Lookit me, I'm a person! Eat it, [[Roller (IDW)|Roller]].]]
*'''Optimus Prime with Autobot Roller''' (Legends Class, 2013)
**''Series / Number'': '''02 / #001'''
**''Accessories'': Ion Blaster

: Part of the third wave of 2012-onwards ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' Legends Class toys, ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Legends|Optimus Prime]] comes "Autobot Roller", who transforms into a six-wheeled SUV, a robot with [[C joint|3mm-compatible]] hands, and a weapon with a [[5 mm post|5 mm handle]]. He has a 5mm hole in [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] and a 3mm hole in weapon mode for mounting the Ion Blaster.

:Not depicted in the [[instructions]] or [[Stock photography|stock photo]]s, Roller can also attach to Prime in vehicle mode via two tabs on the vehicle front which slot into two corresponding slots on Prime's feet. Another undocumented feature is that the butt of the ion blaster can be inserted between the barrels of Roller's weapon mode to form a longer weapon.

:This mold was redecoed into ''[[Movie Advanced Series]]'' [[Silver Roller]] and ''Generations'' [[Suppressor (Generations)|Suppressor]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/GenRoller/roller.htm More information on ''Generations'' Roller at TFU.info]''

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[[File:TTGenerationsTG24OptimusRoller.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime & Bumblebee''' (Multi-pack, 2013-[[September 28|09-28]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TG24'''
**''Accessories'': Ion Blaster

: The Japanese release of ''Generations'' Legends Class Roller redecoes him in metallic blue. He comes in a [[TakaraTomy]] four-pack with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#OPandBee|Optimus Prime]], as well as [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#OPandBee|Bumblebee]] and [[Blaze Master#OPandBee|Blazemaster]]. His bio describes him as a [[Roller (IDW)|partner]] of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]] in the Cybertron police force.

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===''Unite Warriors''===
[[File:TF-Unite-Warriors-UW06-Roller.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Today I have become something I have always wanted to be... an only child!"]]
*'''Grand Galvatron''' (Multi-pack, [[2016]]-[[April 30|04-30]])
**''ID number:'' '''UW-06'''

:A [[redeco]] of ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' [[Rook (Generations)#Generations|Rook]] (the first release of this mold in Japan), the robot mode of "Wandering Roller" features a color scheme based on [[Roller (IDW)|IDW Roller]]. His vehicle mode, on the other hand, is colored like the original silver version of Roller.

:As a Deluxe Class ''[[Unite Warriors]]'' figure, he can combine to form the leg or arm of any combiner from Hasbro's ''Combiner Wars'' subline or any ''Unite Warriors'' figure or into one of [[Transformers Legends (franchise)|''Legends'']] [[Godbomber#Legends|Godbomber]]'s legs, but would usually be associated with [[Grand Galvatron#Unite Warriors 2|Grand Galvatron]].

:He was released as part of a Grand Galvatron giftset along with [[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Tactician Cyclonus]], [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Ghost Starscream]], [[Thrust (Armada)#Unite Warriors|Curse Armada Thrust]], and [[Breakdown (WFC)#Unite Warriors 2|Zombie War Breakdown]].
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==Notes==
*Prime's original character description, as seen in the [[The Transformers Universe|''Transformers Universe'']] profile comic, named the robot module "Optimus" and the drone module "Prime", noting that the Prime module is also known as Roller. However, in practice, these names were never used. The robot module was always treated as if named "Optimus Prime", with "Prime" even being his most common nickname.
*A reference to this "Prime module" was retained in ''Universe''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[Powermaster]] Optimus Prime profile, so the little guy must still be around, despite not being included with the Powermaster toy.
*Early [[:File:EarlyPMPrime3.jpg|concept drawings]] for Powermaster Prime, as seen in ''[[Transformers Generations]]'', made him a [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]]/Powermaster, with a four-wheeled Roller forming the head.
*When the Powermaster Optimus Prime toy was released it did not include Roller. Despite this, the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel comic]] and other contemporary fiction still presented Roller as his familiar cart-shaped self in Prime's trailer.<ref>[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Optimus_Prime_PM Powermaster Optimus Prime's ''Universe'' bio]</ref> When the toy was re-released in 2003 as part of the Commemorative Series it now included [[Apex Bomber]], repurposed from [[Godbomber]], who was described on package as a "roller drone". Apex Bomber hasn't shown up in any fiction but [[Ask Vector Prime]] would later state that in some universes Apex Bomber was indeed an upgraded version of Roller.
*Roller was renamed "Scout Car" in a profile in [[War Without End (issue)|issue #1]] of the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Fleetway)|UK ''Generation 2'' comic]].
*Roller was supposed to have a minor role in [[Ginrai (human)|Ginrai]]'s ''[[Binaltech]]'' toy bio (written by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]]), but the toy was ultimately used as [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] and so the bio went unused. In this storyline, a new Dodge Ram Binaltech body was built for Roller, but was instead possessed by Ginrai as he travelled through time to save his own future.
*The so-called "[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#mp4|Complete Edition]]" of the first ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' Convoy toy did ''not'' come with Roller (the indignity!), and it would be around half a decade before [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#mp10|a newer, more complete version]] of the Convoy toy was released that included Roller.
*According to [[Joe Kyde]], the [[#Generations|''Generations: Thrilling 30'' toy]] of Roller has a [[robot mode]] based on [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'']] [[Breacher (TF 2010)|Breacher]], while his [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] is based on an APC vehicle accessory that was originally going to come with ''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Prime]]'' [[Optimus Maximus (Prime)|Optimus Maximus]].<ref>[http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/96686-generations-legends-targetmaster-moulds/#entry2423893 Kyde's response on an Allspark.com thread about the ''Thrilling 30'' Legends partners]</ref>
*And no, he is not [[R2-D2]].

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Buggy''' (バギー ''Bagī''), '''Roller''' (ローラー ''Rōrā'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Xiǎo Gǔn Zhū''' (China, 小滚珠, "Little Rolling Bead")

==References==
<references />

==External links==
*[http://www.e-hobby.co.jp/cgi-bin/omc?&port=33301&req=PRODUCT&code=tfce_34 Orion Pax's e-HOBBY bio.]

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[[Category:Generation 1 drones]]
[[Category:Generation 2 Autobots]]
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[[Category:Wings Universe Autobots]]

Roboid

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NovaSaber: /* IDW Generation 1 continuity */

:''Roboids are toy robots from the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:FortMaxCuddles.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|Ignore the guy in the middle.]]
Manufactured and sold by the former [[Decepticon]] entrepreneur [[Demus]] on [[Tebris VII]], '''Roboids''' are adorable mechanical pets that are popular with organic races throughout the galaxy. Roboids with forms resembling Earth horses are called [[Equinoid]]s.

Named Roboids include:
{{collist|3|
*[[Beak]]
*[[Bolt]]
*[[Brace]]
*[[Buck]]
*[[Clutch (IDW)|Clutch]]
*[[Sprint]]
}}

==Fiction==
===IDW 2005 continuity===
Demus captured and [[domestication|lobotomized]] [[Transformer]]s with [[beast mode]]s and sold them to mechanoid-hating organics as Roboid torture dolls upon which they could vent their frustrations. {{storylink|Animals}} As a cover story, Demus claimed he branched out into making Roboids when he noticed that his domestic appliances sold better when they looked like they had faces. He said that the toy pets—with a limited battery life, a few limited phrases on a sound chip and some glow-in-the-dark panels—were extremely successful. {{storylink|Some Of My Best Friends Are Autobots}}

After a series of escapades involving [[Equinoid]]s and [[Grimlock (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Grimlock]], the Scavengers tricked Fortress Maximus into believing the Roboids' lives were in danger and fled the planet in the ''[[Weak Anthropic Principle]]''—but not before [[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]] left instructions on how to undo the damage Demus had wrought on the Roboids. They were subsequently brought aboard Maximus's ship, to be taken to a place with better equipment and repaired. {{storylink|Animals}}

The Roboids were brought to [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]], where [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]] was able to use his expertise to slowly cure the Roboids one by one of their domestication. {{storylink|Ten to Midnight}} After it had proved its worth in stopping [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]'s army of [[Titan (group)|Titans]], Fortress Maximus sanctioned the use of Cerebros's experimental brain implant to repair the Roboids, which greatly speeded up the process and once restored to their original condition, the former Roboids returned to Cybertron. {{storylink|Last Light (issue)|Last Light}}

==Notes==
*The squirrel Roboid is based on [[Nook]].

[[Category:IDW Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:IDW Generation 1 technology]]

Overlord (G1)

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NovaSaber: /* IDW Generation 1 continuity */

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{{Disambigm|Overlord (disambiguation)|Gigatron (disambiguation)}}
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:''Overlord is a [[Decepticon]] [[Godmaster (lifeform)|Godmaster]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:Overlord.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Check out these killer abs!]]
[[Autobot]]s quake in fear when '''Overlord''' (オーバーロード ''Ōbārōdo'', aka '''Gigatron'''<sup><small>[[#Notes|[Note]]]</small></sup>) thunders on to the battlefield. This towering warrior is an amalgamation of the deadliest [[Decepticon]] weaponry known, armed with laser blasters and grenade launchers in his stomach, and the terrifying ability to prevent the wounds he inflicts upon his opponents from healing. He is even equipped with an internal arms factory. Overlord is formed from two individual vehicles, a tank and a jet, which combine together to form his colossal [[robot mode]], a heavily-armed advance base, or a larger jet capable of space flight.

{{note|Exactly who—and even ''what''—Overlord is varies greatly from continuity to continuity, to the point that it could conceivably be argued whether or not the different incarnations represent different characters. See individual sections below for details.}}

==Fiction==
===Japanese Generation 1 continuity===
The story of the Overlord begins with the mysterious alien energy-being and self-styled Decepticon god, [[Devil Z]], who schemed to create the ultimate lifeform by merging Transformers and humans into one. Devil Z stole a collection of Transformer [[Transtector]]s from the [[G Nebula 89|G Nebula]] and brought them to Earth. Devil Z recruited two human beings, husband and wife [[Giga]] and [[Mega]], and charged them with creating an army for him. Mega and Giga were both bonded to the largest Transtector, and together, they became the terrifying Overlord, serving as Devil Z's "Ambassador of Destruction" on Earth.

In this continuity, each of Overlord's two components are piloted by Giga and Mega, and are hence known as the '''Gigatank''' and the '''Megajet'''. As deadly as his "Chōkon Daemon Blast" lasers and "Chōkon Bolt Masher" grenade launcher are, Overlord has little need for projectile weapons: as a [[Godmaster (lifeform)|Godmaster]], he is capable of manipulating [[Chōkon Power]], and can even employ it to inhibit the regenerative abilities of other Godmasters.

====Ask Vector Prime====
In some versions of the history of the [[OG World|Primax 785.06 Alpha]] system, the G Nebula Transtector that became Overlord was intended to be a new body for a fallen Decepticon known as [[Gigatron (G1)|Gigatron]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/24}}

====Cartoon continuity====
=====''Super-God Masterforce'' cartoon=====
{{voiceactor|[[Keiichi Noda]] (Japanese)|[[Rik Thomas]] (English, Omni Productions dub)}}
[[File:Overlord r.jpg|left|225px|thumb|Believe it or not, this is a crane shot.]]
Giga and Mega took their Transtectors into battle for the first time after a string of failures that resulted in several of the Godmaster Transtectors falling into the hands of the [[Autobot]]s. The couple had [[Hydra (Masterforce)|Hydra]] and [[Buster (Masterforce)|Buster]] lure Autobot commander [[Ginrai (human)|Ginrai]] into the desert, and then confronted him as Overlord, immediately proving their superiority by beating him to near-death. {{storylink|Super Ginrai Gets Blown Away in the Desert!?}} Believing Ginrai dealt with, Overlord subsequently departed into space, {{storylink|Will the Bomber Project Be Destroyed!?}} taking control of a [[Weather Observatory Moon Base|weather-monitoring base]] on the [[Moon (moon)|moon]] in order to rendezvous with the approaching [[Scorponok (G1)|BlackZarak]] there. Ginrai, however, proved entirely too stubborn to die, and, powered-up through his combination with the freshly-constructed [[Godbomber]] drone, soon pursued Overlord and engaged him in battle above the moon's surface. {{storylink|God Ginrai - Into the Sky!!}} During the fight, Ginrai was blindsided by BlackZarak and sent crashing down to the moon, where he found himself hunted by the two powerful Decepticons. Luckily, the Autobot battleship [[Grand Maximus]] arrived to help, and the two Decepticon tried to break off the fight an return to Earth. Ginrai and Grand vowed to stop them, and a shot from Ginrai's God Cannon sent Overlord plummeting back to the moon, forcing Giga and Mega to split into their individual Transtectors to soften their impact and save their lives. The Autobot pair managed to drive BlackZarak back to the moon as well, and the dark Decepticon insisted that Overlord return to Earth alone and inform Devil Z of the situation. Overlord refused, furious that anyone other than Devil Z would presume to give him orders, but when Ginrai and Grand returned to press their attack, he realised the damage he had sustained prevented him from carrying on the fight, and he relented. After Overlord departed for Earth, however, the outnumbered BlackZarak was then beaten by Ginrai and sent fleeing back into the depths of space. {{storylink|God Ginrai - Showdown on the Surface of the Moon}}

[[File:Overlord v.jpg|205px|thumb|I'm easy come. Easy go. Little High. Little Low.]]
Incensed by this failure, Giga decided to reduce Ginrai's power level by destroying Godbomber. A desert again served as Ginrai and Overlord's battleground, as Overlord used his Chōkon Power to create a massive whirling tornado out of the shifting sands, but when he was thrown off balance by a sneaky God Punch attack, Overlord's "Chōkon Tornado" quickly backfired on him and sent him spinning off wildly through the sky. {{storylink|Overlord - Terror of the Chōkon Tornado}} Despite this setback, Overlord made another attempt to eliminate Godbomber, this time by separating him from Ginrai with an ambush in the American heartland. In their separate Transtectors, Giga and Mega wore down Ginrai until he no longer had enough Chōkon Power to animate Godbomber, but the plan was foiled when the Autobot [[Headmaster Junior]]s discovered they could combine their own energy to control Godbomber themselves. With Ginrai and Godbomber reunited, Overlord was sent packing by a blast of Chōkon Power. {{storylink|Destroy Godbomber!!}}

[[File:Overlord b.jpg|left|205px|thumb|Umm, Giga? Where are we supposed to sleep?]]
Overlord later adopted his base mode for the first time to act as a staging ground for the search for the final Godmaster. The search came to an abruptly end, however, when the Godmaster himself, [[Clouder]], sought out the Decepticons, and the villains decided to use his ability to adopt two robot forms to install him as a double agent within the Autobot ranks. {{storylink|Appearance!! The Final Godmaster}} Using information fed to them by Clouder, the Decepticons initiated a full-scale attack on the Autobots' headquarters, again using Overlord's base mode as a mobile headquarters from which the assault was masterminded. {{storylink|Secret Orders! Destroy the Autobot Base!!}} When Ginrai (who had been lured away from the base so the attack to begin) returned to aid his fellow Autobots, Overlord transformed to [[robot mode]] and again engaged him in battle, intending to keep him occupied until a [[Seacon (Masterforce)|Seacon]] force could destroy the Autobot base from within. Although defeated in combat, Overlord was still able to gloat, as Ginrai failed to realise that he was being stalled until it was too late. Furious at his own short-sightedness, Ginrai hurled Overlord and embedded him, head-first, in the side of the mountain housing the Autobot base. At that moment, the base's magma converter power core finally exploded, and Overlord was sent flying over the horizon by a jet of lava. {{storylink|Disaster! The Autobot Base Explodes}}

[[File:Overlord spacejet.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Set controls to outer space, now, flying higher than ever before!]]
Soon thereafter, BlackZarak returned to Earth, and the Decepticons began "Operation M-1" to cut a swathe of devastation across the Earth. While BlackZarak tore through [[New York City|New York]], Overlord landed in the heart of [[Paris]], decimating military resistance and destroying the [[Arc de Triomphe]]. With these cities in ruins, the two Decepticons began to converge on Tokyo; while passing over China, Overlord landed on the Great Wall and broadcasted a message to the leaders of the world, warning them to surrender or witness Tokyo's destruction. Overlord then carried on his way, easily defeating [[Metalhawk (Masterforce)|Metalhawk]], [[Phoenix (Masterforce)|Phoenix]] and [[Diver (Masterforce)|Diver]] when they attempted to block his path. Overlord and BlackZarak soon arrived in Tokyo, and with no surrender forthcoming, began razing the city. In the midst of the chaos, however, Ginrai and Grand Maximus—who had been trapped in a black hole by BlackZarak, and only just managed to escape—arrived to stop their evil deeds. During the ensuing battle, Ginrai manoeuvred himself between the two Decepticons, and dodged at the last second, causing them to blast each other. With his two most powerful warriors damaged, Devil Z called off Operation M-1, and initiated Operation M-2 {{storylink|BlackZarak - Destroyer from Space}} which involved destroying the Earth's atmosphere from orbit with the unholy [[Death Para-Machine]]. Overlord transformed to his "space jet" mode to carry the Decepticon Headmaster Juniors into space for the operation, but naturally, the Autobots pursued their enemies, and Ginrai was able to destroy the Death Para-Machine before it caused irreparable damage to Earth. {{storylink|Crisis! The Day of Human Extinction}}

[[File:Overlord vs ginrai.jpg|left|225px|thumb|"I outrank you, Ginrai!"<br />"You do NOT! 'God' outranks 'Overlord'!"]]
After a battle with [[Lightfoot (Masterforce)|Lightfoot]] in southern Europe, {{storylink|God Ginrai - Save Cancer!?}} Overlord tried a more underhanded tactic, capturing Autobot Headmaster Junior [[Shūta Gō]], and using him as a bargaining chip to bring Ginrai to the Decepticon base. The battle that followed was distinctly one-sided, as Ginrai was unable to fight back due to Shūta being in danger, but this suddenly took an unexpected turn when Decepticon Junior [[Cancer (Masterforce)|Cancer]] turned on his teammates and freed Shūta. Even as the shocked Overlord commanded him to stop, Ginrai got back in the fight, and flattened Overlord before escaping with Shūta and Cancer. {{storylink|God Ginrai: Showdown at the Decepticon Base}} With the information Cancer provided them, the Autobots were able to stage an all-out attack on the Decepticon base, during which Overlord again battled Ginrai. The fight came to a sudden end when Devil Z merged with BlackZarak and collapsed the Decepticon base in a failed attempt to destroy the Autobots. {{storylink|The Ultimate Combination!! BlackZarak, the New Lifeform}}

For a time, Devil Z's hatred of humankind had been steadily growing, and rankled with Giga and Mega, reaching a head when the alien abandoned [[Wilder (Masterforce)|Wilder]] and [[Bullhorn (Masterforce)|Bullhorn]] in the ruins of the Decepticon base, and transformed Hydra and Buster into true robots. {{storylink|Battle to the Death!! God Ginrai VS Darkwings Reborn}} Confronting God Ginrai for one final time in the heart of the [[Grand Canyon]], Overlord vowed to fight him without weapons, battling him only through the use of his physical strength and the power of his human flesh. He didn't explain his motives to Ginrai, but Ginrai observed Overlord's refusal to draw his weapons, and fought honourably. When Grand Maximus arrived on the scene, however, he was not so concerned, and simply shot Overlord out of the sky. {{storylink|Autobots! Desperate Attack!!}}

[[File:Overlord ginrairescue.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|I get by with a little help from my ... uh, foes.]]
After the battle in the Grand Canyon, the Decepticons relocated to the Alps, and the Autobots again gave chase. Overlord was willing to engage the Autobot Godmasters, but the merged Devil Z/BlackZarak entity held him back and instead buried them under an avalanche. Meanwhile, Ginrai again defeated Hydra and Buster, and the two brothers limped back to the peak of the Matterhorn, where Devil Z turned on them for their failure. As their punishment continued, Overlord at last stood up to his leader and attempted to stop him, only to be on the receiving end of Devil Z's wrath. {{storylink|Malevolent and Inhuman! The True Form of Devil Z}} Unexpectedly, Overlord was rescued by Ginrai, and as the Autobot leader began his final battle with BlackZarak, Giga and Mega realized that they owed him a debt of honor for saving them and finally made the decision to turn against their former master. When Overlord attempted to aid God Ginrai in his battle with BlackZarak, however, they were struck down and enveloped in a sphere of Devil Z's [[Devil Power]]. Devil Z separated Mega and Giga from their Transtectors, bringing Overlord to life as a true super-robot lifeform. As their [[Master-Brace]]s vanished from their wrists, Giga and Mega died, regretting that they could not settle their rivalry with Ginrai honourably. Alas, there was not even time to mourn, as the new, robotic Overlord lunged for Ginrai, but was tackled by Grand Maximus. Ginrai subsequently united his powers with the Headmasters Juniors to finally destroy Devil Z and BlackZarak, and at the sight of his leader being vaporized, Overlord immediately called for the Decepticons to retreat. As they fled into space, the Autobots' Transtectors were also brought to life, as Overlord's had been, by the death of Devil Z, and they headed into space in pursuit of Overlord's Decepticons. {{storylink|A Battle... and Then...}}
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=====''Transformers Legends'' comic=====
The now-living Overlord transtector and his followers joined with the Decepticon forces in space, and in [[2021]], Overlord led an attack on the [[transtector]] factory in [[G Nebula 89]], forcing [[Grand Maximus|Grand]] to send the former [[Decepticon]] [[Headmaster Junior]]s to the [[Legends World|Legends Universe]] for their safety. {{storylink|LG24 Shockwave & Cancer Prologue}} During one of his assaults, Overlord was defeated by a [[Getmaster]]-powered [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 39|Bonus Edition Vol. 39}}

=====''Victory'' cartoon=====
[[File:Decepticons in the g nebula.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|Those car washes get more dangerous every year.]]
Overlord briefly led the Decepticon army before the rise to power of [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]]. {{storylink|Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus's toy bio}} Following this, Overlord commanded the Sector Two Decepticon force, based in the G Nebula, where they battled the Autobots under the command of his old foe, God Ginrai. {{storylink|Planet Micro - The Mysterious Warrior}}
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=====''Zone'' cartoon=====
{{voiceactor|[[Keiichi Noda]] (Japanese)}}
[[File:OverlordZone1.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Robots should not wear [[Transformer clothing#Capes|capes]].]]
Years later, when the supernatural creature known as [[Violen Jiger]] seized command of the Decepticons, his first act was to recruit nine "[[Nine Great Demon Generals|Demon Generals]]" from Decepticon history. Overlord was selected to be one of those Generals and was given new power and weaponry to make him an even greater threat than before. At Violen Jiger's instruction, Overlord was sent to the planet [[Feminia]] to wreak havoc along with [[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]] and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]. Together, the three Decepticon Demon Generals destroyed the entire planet and nearly killed Autobot [[Supreme Commander]] [[Star Saber (Victory)|Victory Saber]] in the process.

Two-and-a-half months later, Overlord led Menasor, Abominus, and [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] in an attack on the planet of [[Micro|Zone]], gleefully blasting [[Micromaster]]s and using his trident to slice into [[Zone Base]] to retrieve a sample of [[Energon Z]] for Decepticon use. With the Micromasters completely unable to harm the Decepticon generals, Overlord left the planet in triumph, handing the Energon Z off to the second group of Generals, who went on to attack Earth, but were stopped by Autobot [[Powered Master]] [[Dai Atlas (Zone)|Dai Atlas]]. {{storylink|Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!}}

=====Wars manga=====
In the aftermath of Violen Jiger's defeat, Overlord's faction of Decepticons in G Nebula 89 tried to reorganize and desired to take control of the nebula's transtector factory to create more Decepticon soldiers. {{storylink|Train Wars: Goshooter & Shūta Gō Chapter}}
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====Manga continuity====
=====''Super-God Masterforce'' manga=====
[[File:Overlord manga.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|"I am a freak?, Not so, I am a devil!"]]

After a failed assault on planet [[Athenia]] and the defeat of [[Scramble 7]], the Decepticons returned to Earth and were met by their new commander, the mysterious Overlord. {{storylink|The Battle Begins! The United Earth-Space Troops}}

Giga and Mega debuted their Transtectors in an attack on a city, during which they combined into Overlord and devastated the Autobot Godmasters with their Daemon Blast and Bolt Masher weapons. Blindsided and badly damaged by the newly created God Ginrai, Overlord was goaded into pursuing the Autobot out into space, where BlackZarak was battling the Autobot [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]]. As BlackZarak turned to face the approaching Ginrai, the cunning Autobot swiftly ducked out of the way, causing Overlord and BlackZarak to attack each other. Gravely wounded, Overlord returned to Earth, while BlackZarak fled back into space. {{storylink|God Ginrai's Amazing Super-God Combination!}}

Overlord's base mode was employed by the Decepticon to hold Shūta Gō and [[Cab (human)|Cab]] prisoner, when they attempted to torture the two boys into becoming members of the Decepticons. Their fellow Autobot Junior, [[Minerva (Masterforce human)|Minerva]], came to their rescue when she crashed Godbomber through Overlord's walls and freed them, after which Overlord transformed to robot mode to face the approaching Ginrai and Grand Maximus. It wasn't his best showing: after Ginrai combined with Godbomber, Grand crashed his battleship directly into Overlord's face, and God Ginrai used the Headmaster's "[[Master Blade (Masterforce)|Master Blade]]" to slice off Overlord's legs. Their Transtectors forcibly separated, the battered Giga and Mega escaped. {{storylink|The Earth Family of Good and Evil}}

[[File:Overlord aolaser.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|"Cry some more!"]]
From the top of [[Qomolangma]], Overlord rained destruction down on the world using the Decepticons' newest weapon, the [[A.O. Laser]]. When Ginrai and Godbomber arrived to stop him, Overlord turned the laser on them; they dodged, but they had failed to observe the presence of the Decepticons' newest member, the Godmaster Clouder, who reflected the laser beam back at them and knocked them out of the sky. Unfortunately for Overlord, a chance comment from Cancer insulting Clouder's falcon mode plunged the Godmaster into such a rage that he turned on his Decepticon allies and blew up the A.O. Laser in Overlord's hands. Although Ginrai had been temporarily blinded by the A.O. Laser, the Headmaster Juniors were able to serve as his eyes and point him in the right direction to unleash his "God Punch" attack, which clobbered Overlord so hard that Giga and Mega actually popped out of his chest. {{storylink|Decepticons' Great Counterattack!}}

Soon thereafter, when the Autobots were off-Earth visiting their space-based allies, BlackZarak was able to return to Earth, and he and Overlord took the opportunity to attack a city. The Autobots soon returned with, and Ginrai and Godbomber grappled with Overlord, forcing him to separate back into the Megajet and Gigatank. The two Autobots clung onto the separate Transtectors, however, refusing to let them escape, as they waited for the new weapon they had brought back from space, the [[VX Bomb]] to detonate. The explosion came seconds later, knocking Mega and Giga's Transtectors offline, but Ginrai and Godbomber survived by combining into God Ginrai. {{storylink|Live? Die?! The Desperate Super-God Combination}}

[[File:Overlord vs blackzarak.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Don't ever speak about Broly.]]
When BlackZarak attacked a city, Cancer happened to be here, and BlackZarak showed his disdain for humans by using the boy as a bargaining chip to prevent the Autobots from interfering with his deviltry. Horrified at this treatment of Cancer, Overlord viciously attacked BlackZarak, rescuing Cancer from his grip, but while they were fighting, it allowed the Autobots to take down both of them. {{storylink|Great Turn-Around! Autobots}}

In light of this act of treachery by Overlord, it was perhaps not surprising that in the midst of his next battle with Ginrai, Overlord himself was the subject of a betrayal. In an attempt to transform himself into the ultimate lifeform, Devil Z fused with BlackZarak, and then turned on Overlord and the Decepticon Headmaster Juniors, attempting to drain theirs and Ginrai's [[Chōkon Power|Jinchōkon]] and take it for his own. They were saved by the Autobot Pretenders, who blocked the Jinchōkon-absorbing beam, and Overlord decided to join with the Autobots in defeating Devil Z. Overlord joined with all the other Transformers in combining their energies into the "Perfect Transform Attack", which finally destroyed BlackZarak and Devil Z once and for all. With the alien's death, the Transformers' Transtectors were brought to life as true super-robot lifeforms, Overlord's included. Alas, Devil Z's energies had also been sustaining the lives of Giga and Mega, and his death also resulted in theirs. The now-living Overlord and Ginrai Transtectors decided to take their troops back into space, where Overlord vowed to defeat Ginrai in memory of Mega and Giga, and for the honor of the Decepticons. {{storylink|The Birth of the Super Lifeforms}}
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=====''Zone'' manga and story pages=====
[[File:Overlord zone manga.jpg|upright=0.9|thumb|Your hair is like lavender but smells like strawberries.]]
Years after the end of the [[Masterforce War]], Overlord was among the Decepticons recruited by the new Decepticon emperor Violen Jiger to become the strongest of his Nine Great Demon Generals. In addition to his new title of "Super-God General", Overlord was outfitted with new armor and weapons that made him even more dangerous than before. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 1}}

One month after the Demon Generals destroyed the planet Feminia, apparently taking the life of the Autobot Supreme Commander Victory Saber in the process, Overlord led Menasor, Bruticus and Abominus in an attack on the planet Zone, where they successfully stole a sample of the super-energy, Energon Z. When the Zone Base transformed into battle mode and opened fire on the Decepticons, Overlord called retreat, seeing no need to stay and fight when the prize was already theirs. Overlord then handed the Energon Z off to the second platoon of generals, who subsequently headed for Earth, but were defeated in battle there by the Autobot Powered Master Dai Atlas. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (manga)|Transformers: Zone}}

It wasn't long before Overlord got his own chance to go up against Dai Atlas, but the Powered Master didn't think much of this so-called "Strongest of the Generals," aiming to finish their battle in under eight seconds. Whether or not he achieved this lofty goal is unknown, but he ''did'' lay out Overlord with his powerful "Galactic Dash" attack. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 6}}

The Generals later schooled [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] and the [[Metrosquad]] in the ways of evil, making them formidable foes for the [[Powered Master]]s. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 7}}
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====''Transformers PD Type''====
[[File:Pdtype overlord.jpg|left|thumb|I'm a foot and a half taller than you, but whatever.]]
During a battle between Overlord and Super Ginrai, the Autobot Godmaster prepared to attack with Chokon Power. When he raised his hands to summon Tenchokon, however, he was struck by a bolt of lightning, causing Overlord to smirk that the weather wasn't looking too good. {{storylink|Transformers PD Type##7 "Fight! Super Ginrai!"|Fight! Super Ginrai!!}}

Sitting in a field, watching the clouds float by, Overlord started to wonder what he was doing with his life and decided he needed a day off to reflect on his lot. Unfortunately, he had chosen to sit down and have this epiphany in the middle of a huge battle, and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] began shouting at him to get back up and join the fight. {{storylink|Transformers PD Type##9 "Oh Overlord."|Oh, Overlord}}
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===European toy bio continuity===
[[File:Overlord vs motorvators.jpg|thumb|Collect all time-displaced toys.]]
A legend by virtue of his very existence, Overlord is the ultimate Decepticon anti-hero. Emerging to join the Transformers' war at some undetermined point in space and time, Overlord fights alone on the battlefield despite his Decepticon allegiance, a monolithic horror born of "advanced robotic engineering" whose special abilities—including the power to travel across dimensions—come from the "[[Energon figure]]s" that operate his multiple functions.

To counter the monstrous threat posed by this powerful new breed of Decepticon, the Autobots developed their own new team of warriors, the [[Motorvator]]s, emulating Overlord's Energon figure technology to make the trio a match for his awesome power.<ref>Overlord's European toy bio</ref><ref>Story blurb on Overlord and the Motorvators' packaging.</ref>
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===IDW 2005 continuity===
{{first|[[Megatron Origin issue 2|''Megatron Origin'' #2]] (cameo); [[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1|''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' #1]] (full appearance)}}

{{bigquote|A good strategist is half psychologist and half '''sadist'''. And I was the '''best'''.|Overlord|[[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 3|''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' #3]]}}
[[File:Overlords spark remembrance day.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|They're so cute when they're small.]]
Overlord was born on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s [[Moonbase Two|second moon]] 4.2 million years ago, a rare breed known as a "[[Point One Percenter]]". After its "first flash" killed the [[Frak|hapless]] [[Rushcut|miners]] who discovered it, his [[spark]] was taken by the [[Functionist Council]]'s authenticator [[Three-of-Twelve]]. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}}

[[File:MegatronOrigin2 fightcrowd1.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Hey, he appeared as a rabid fan of gladiatorial combat in a crowd shot once. Wouldn't it be ''awesome'' if [[Nick Roche|someone]] built a whole character round that?]]
In the days before the [[Great War (G1)|Cybertronian civil war]], Overlord was both an avid spectator of [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]]'s gladiatorial matches {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2|Megatron Origin #2}} and a participant in the bouts, even fighting Megatron himself. Megatron would be the only opponent to ever defeat Overlord, and he did so regularly, giving Overlord a pathological fear of defeat. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}} {{storylink|Under Cold Blue Stars}} All the same, Overlord still joined Megatron's Decepticon faction upon its founding, though it was not the loftiness of the Decepticon cause that Megatron espoused which enticed him. Rather, it was the chance to have the glorious excess of the gladiator battles move beyond the arena, to encompass entire worlds. To Overlord, the ends didn't matter overly much when the ''means'' themselves were this pleasurable. As a result, his tactics developed a reputation as unsound, and his schemes as nothing more than flights of brutal whimsy. Unlike [[Scorponok (G1)|many]] [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|other]] powerful Decepticons, he had no interest in command, only in taking his slaughter to the next stage. Megatron was not convinced, however, believing the image of Overlord as simply interested in killing to be a façade, and began searching for a way to exert greater control over him.

[[File:Overlord UnuntriumInfusion RemembranceDay.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|left|Weapon O.]]

Recognizing Overlord's power, Megatron regularly sparred with him, and eventually, three million years ago, selected him to be the fourth candidate for an upgrade process that would transform him into a world-shatteringly powerful superwarrior. Rendered virtually indestructible by an infusion of [[ununtrium]] to his endoskeleton, Overlord's first action as a member of the "[[Warriors Elite]]" was to smash out of his capsule and kill the scientist who oversaw the process, [[Rossum]]. He could not, however, do the same to Megatron: the Decepticon leader had not been foolish, and had, during the upgrade process, had [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] equip Overlord with both a killswitch that could deactivate him, and infect him with an [[Achilles virus]] that caused a "tactical blindspot" preventing him from figuring out how to harm Megatron. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}} {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 3|Last Stand of the Wreckers #3}} When [[Soundwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Soundwave]] was captured by the Autobots and brought to the [[Institute|New Institute]] for brainwashing, Overlord saw his chance to free himself from these shackles. While ostensibly attacking the facility to rescue Soundwave, he also captured the cerebroscientist [[Trepan]], and studied the basics of [[mnemosurgery]] from him, intending to hack Shockwave's memories and learn how to deactivate his killswitch and the virus. Megatron caught wind of Overlord's scheming before he learned how to interface with others, and had Trepan killed. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}} Overlord later participated in the [[Battle for Hell's Point]] alongside the other members of the Warriors Elite. {{storylink|The Gloaming}}

[[File:LastStandoftheWreckers2-teleconference.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|I am not a number!]]

While embroiled in battle on [[Caldoon 4]], Overlord was called to a teleconference with [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]], who announced the finalization of his [[infiltration protocol]], and that Overlord would join fellow Warriors Elite [[Sixshot]] and [[Black Shadow (Victory)|Black Shadow]] in being reclassified as "[[Phase Sixer]]s", called in to alien worlds to enact the doomsday scenario of the protocol's final phase. Dissatisfied with being declared a weapon that operated at someone else's whim, Overlord contested his appointment, and Megatron gave him two options: do as he was told, or refuse and have Megatron hunt him down. Overlord made his choice quickly, returning to the battle outside and dispatching every Autobot save one—[[Kup (G1)|Kup]]—who he allowed to survive so a message could be sent to Megatron: Overlord had chosen option two. He proceeded to leave Caldoon 4 to plan for Megatron's inevitable coming. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 2|Last Stand of the Wreckers #2}} For his treason, Overlord found his way onto the infamous [[The List|list]] of traitors maintained by the [[Decepticon Justice Division]]. {{storylink|Scavengers (Part 2): Who's Afraid of the DJD?|Who's Afraid of the DJD?}}

Some time later, Overlord initiated a conflict with the emperor of a star system who was in possession of interstellar travel capabilities and weapons technology that rivaled his own. Finding himself overmatched, Overlord sought and secured the aid of [[Gorelock]]'s Decepticon battalion, which, at the time, was assigned to [[Spensifax B]]. The ensuing battle, according to the estimates of science officer [[Vivisector]], set the technological development of the empire back an estimated 250,000 years. {{storylink|The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers|Gorelock's prisoner clemency request}}

[[File:LastStandoftheWreckers1-Overlord.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|left|We peed a little.]]
At the height of the [[Surge (event)|cross-galactic Decepticon uprising]], Overlord arrived at [[Garrus-9]] in the midst of the Decepticon siege of the prison, and casually murdered garrison leader [[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]] when he refused to turn command over to him. Intending to turn Garrus-9 into his home away from home, Overlord personally defeated warden [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and threw him to the crowd of Decepticon prisoners he had freed as a show of good faith. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1|Last Stand of the Wreckers #1}} Overlord was not done with Maximus, though, later imprisoning him and personally torturing him for information on the [[Aequitas]] computer hidden in the bowls of Garrus-9, and the [[Epistemus|mysterious secret]] of the prison that the computer had been created to hide. Maximus refused to give up the passcodes to the device's chamber even after Overlord threatened to kill an Autobot for every second that he withheld them. {{storylink|Interiors}}

[[File:Overlord-Fort-Max-Interiors.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|"Do you expect me to talk?"<br>"No, I expect you to die and be a cheap funeral".]]
During his time in command of Garrus-9, Overlord turned the prison into a huge gladiatorial arena, and had the prisoners fight for their lives with the promise that victory meant freedom. This was, of course, a lie; those who won in twelve bouts were offered the choice of facing Overlord himself or committing suicide. Overlord forced the imprisoned [[Grimlock (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Grimlock]] to watch footage both of these matches and of the sacking of the prison, possibly driving him insane. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 4|Last Stand of the Wreckers #4}} After a year of this, some of the Decepticons began to have doubts about their sadistic leader; [[Fearswoop (G1)|Fearswoop]] was lucky to survive when he questioned Overlord's lack of sportsmanship, but [[Wingblazer]] and his partner were not so fortunate when they let an Autobot prisoner get the better of them during a hunt, and Overlord killed them for their carelessness. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1|Last Stand of the Wreckers #1}} Around this time, Overlord also released Shockwave from confinement and let him leave in return for the Achilles Virus being removed. Shockwave could tell that all Overlord was doing with Garrus-9 was trying to get Megatron's attention, though Overlord denied it. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 3|Last Stand of the Wreckers #3}}

[[File:LastStandoftheWreckers1-BoreholeKickoff.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|left|Better than television!]]
Two years later, Overlord and his Decepticons watched the captive Autobot [[Kick-Off (G1)|Kick-Off]] battle the Decepticon [[Borehole]] for his amusement. Kick-Off triumphed and was taken to Overlord's quarters {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1|Last Stand of the Wreckers #1}} where he was offered the customary choice; {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 4|Last stand of the Wreckers #4}} he evidently opted to fight Overlord, given the brutalized state of his body when it was later found. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 3|Last Stand of the Wreckers #3}}

Not long thereafter, the Autobot strike team known as the [[Wrecker]]s arrived to liberate Garrus-9, one of their drop pods crashing into the arena chamber right in front of Overlord's feet. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 2|Last Stand of the Wreckers #2}} Although disappointed to discover that the new arrivals were not troops sent by Megatron, Overlord was amused by the joke made by [[Rotorstorm (G1)|Rotorstorm]] about Wreckers combining... right before he shot him through the head. The Wreckers turned down Overlord's proposal of surrender but were unable to injure him, and escaped into the prison by detonating a fuel tank to cover their withdrawal. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 3|Last Stand of the Wreckers #3}}

[[File:LastStandofWreckers4- OverlordSpringerReady.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|FINAL ROUND, FIGHT!]]
Regrouping with help from the Decepticon [[Snare]], who had come to believe that the Decepticons on Garrus-9 were as trapped by Overlord as the Autobots were, the Wreckers established a new mission objective: kill Overlord. They did not have to hunt him down, however, as he soon arrived to take them on. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 4|Last Stand of the Wreckers #4}} The fight quickly made its way to the rooftop of Garrus-9, where [[Guzzle (G1)|Guzzle]] was torn in half and used to dispatch Kup. A harpoon through the eye courtesy of [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] barely fazed Overlord, who delivered a defeat more crushing than any beating: the Autobot prisoners the Wreckers had come to liberate had all been executed on his orders already. Overlord proved able even to shrug off the massive payload of a huge chaingun-like weapon provided to Springer by [[Ironfist (G1)|Ironfist]], but after all the other Autobots around him had been dispatched, Ironfist revealed the weapon's secret: it had injected Overlord with thousands of deterrence chips, which Ironfist then remotely detonated, reducing Overlord to a flaming, yet still-functional skeleton.

[[File:LastStandoftheWreckers5-brittlebones.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|left|"Megatron better not show up when I'm naked!"]]
Ironfist fell unconscious, leaving only Verity to hear Overlord's wrathful ranting, as he demanded to know how he could meet a challenge from Megatron in this sorry state. Realizing this was what Overlord had longed for all along, Verity dropped the bomb: Megatron was ''dead''. Overlord was stunned by the realization that while he had dedicated every waking hour of his existence to his supposedly inevitable fight with Megatron, the Decepticon leader had never cared, and would never come. He put up no resistance when Impactor recovered, but Impactor refused to kill Overlord, for Springer's sake, and promised to take him in to face justice. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 5|Last Stand of the Wreckers #5}}

[[File:Overlord-Lost-Light-Interiors.jpg|thumb|First class may seem like a rip off but it has advantages over the alternatives.]]

[[Bumblebee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Bumblebee]] believed that the Autobots had a moral obligation to return P.O.W.s to their natural state, so he had the Decepticon's body rebuilt. [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]], intent on learning from Overlord the secrets of the process that created the Phase Sixers, acquiesced to Bumblebee's decision in hopes it would encourage Overlord to talk, and released a cover story that claimed the villain's spark had been extracted and sealed in a [[whiteout vacuum]]. In the wake of Cybertron's rebirth following the [[Chaos (IDW)|Chaos event]], Prowl petitioned [[Chromedome (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Chromedome]] to use his mnemosurgery skills to read Overlord's memories in the hopes of creating an army of "Autobot Phase Sixers," but Chromedome refused. Learning that Chromedome was leaving Cybertron aboard the ''[[Lost Light]]'', Prowl convinced [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]] to allow him to put Overlord on the Lost Light. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}} {{storylink|The Sound of Breaking Glass}} At launch, he had the [[Duobot]]s secretly load Overlord aboard the ship and instructed [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] to talk Chromedome around to his way of thinking when the time was right. As a security measure, Overlord was held within a [[slow cell]] in which time passed much more slowly. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}}

When the ''Lost Light'' launched, an accident aboard caused a massive quantum explosion, and as a result the ship was split into two identical copies — one on-course, and one off-course — each containing an identical Overlord. On the on-course Lost-Light, Rodimus died in an accident with a [[Sparkeater (creature)|Sparkeater]], and Overlord's existence was never revealed to the crew. {{storylink|slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken}} When Brainstorm — a deep-cover double agent with Decepticon ties — was contacted by his Decepticon handler and demanded proof of his loyalty to the Decepticon cause, the Autobot panicked and put through a call to the Decepticon Justice Division, sabotaging Overlord's slow cell so that the DJD could detect his energy signature. {{storylink|Our Steps Will Always Rhyme}} The DJD initially agreed to not harm the crew of the ''Lost Light'' so as to maintain his cover, {{storylink|The Permanent Revolution}} but reneged when they discovered Drift aboard the ship. The DJD proceeded to slaughter the entire crew of the ''Lost Light'' {{storylink|slaughterhouse}} {{storylink|slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken|The Road Not Taken}} {{storylink|The Permanent Revolution}} before finally going to chop off Overlord's head off with a saw. Crossing Overlord's name off the list, the DJD left the shattered wreckage of the ''Lost Light'' behind in orbit of [[Ofsted XVII]]. {{storylink|slaughterhouse}}

On the off-course ''Lost Light,'' the "other" Overlord remained a prisoner of the Autobots; when a crack was cut in the cell by the stowaway Sparkeater, paranoid security director [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] began hearing noises emanating from within. After recording the noises and discovering, with aid from [[Rung (G1)|Rung]], that it was a massively-slowed down voice repeating "Kill me", {{storylink|How Ratchet Got His Hands Back}} Red Alert widened the crack and discovered the cell's occupant, {{storylink|Interiors}} but was mysteriously deactivated in an alleged suicide before he could tell anyone. {{storylink|Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|An Intimate Beheading}}

After Chromedome's [[Conjunx Endura]] [[Rewind (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rewind]] was grievously injured in battle, the possibility of losing Rewind was enough to convince Chromedome to begin visiting the slow cell to probe Overlord's mind in a series of mental interrogation sessions, gradually acclimatizing himself to the Decepticon's mental architecture. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}} As a safeguard in the event of Overlord's escape, he subtly altered the Decepticon's memories so as to make him associate the phrase "[['Til all are one]]!" with defeat in combat, knowing that Rodimus would undoubtedly say this in a battle and give the Autobots a potential opening to take down the stunned Decepticon. {{storylink|Under Cold Blue Stars}}

[[File:Overlord bigfight UnderColdBlueStars.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|left|So Overlord walks into a [[Swerve's|bar]]. Everybody dies. Painfully.]]

During the last of these sessions, however, Chromedome made a fatal mistake when he inadvertently revealed to Overlord that Megatron was still alive. Spurred back to action, Overlord used the mnemosurgery tricks he had learned from Trepan to take over their mental link and plucked the code for the slow cell from Chromedome's memories. Bursting free from his restraints, he opened the cell and sealed Chromedome in, {{storylink|Remembrance Day}} then proceeded to go on a rampage through the ship, first stomping [[Pipes (G1)|Pipes]] to death, then attacking [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] in the medibay. The assembled crew of the ship confronted him in battle, during which Overlord stabbed [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]] through the [[spark]], then turned on [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]] asking him for last words. When Rodimus replied with "'til all are one," however, the phrase tripped Overlord's mnemonic trigger, allowing him to be herded back to the slow cell by Fortress Maximus so that he could be jettisoned from the ship. At the last moment, however, the plan was nearly thwarted when one of Overlord's stolen swords was lodged in the cell doors; as the only 'bot small enough to remove it, Rewind squeezed through the gap and pulled the sword free, allowing the cell to jettison but trapping himself inside with Overlord. {{storylink|Under Cold Blue Stars}} Overlord gleefully began torturing the little Autobot {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 5: Rage, Rage|Rage, Rage}} before Chromedome, in an act of mercy, used the ship's guns to destroy the floating cell. {{storylink|Under Cold Blue Stars}} Overlord's still-living but inert body was left drifting in space. {{storylink|The Gloaming}} {{storylink|No Guns, No Swords, No Briefcases}}

Approximately six months later, the crew of the surviving ''Lost Light'' encountered the wreck of the quantum duplicate over Ofsted XVII following the disappearance of their own vessel. [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]] and [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] discovered Overlord's headless corpse in the slow cell. {{storylink|slaughterhouse}} This, combined with numerous other historical inconsistencies and the atrocities found by the others, led the Lost Lighters to figure out that they were aboard an quantum duplicate version of their ship that had been visited by the DJD. The alternate Overlord's corpse vanished with the rest of the wrecked ''Lost Light'' when the main ''Lost Light'' was restored to reality. {{storylink|slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken|The Road Not Taken}}.

[[File:TarnvsOverlord.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|right|And another thing, Dad told me when you were born what he really wanted was a Labrador.]]

In the meantime, the other Overlord was recovered and rebuilt by the [[Galactic Council]]. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}} After a lengthy recuperation process, {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 3: Your Fierce Tears|Your Fierce Tears}} the Council deployed him to the [[Necroworld|homeworld]] of the [[Mortilus|Necrobot]] and take down Megatron, whose recent defection to the [[Autobot]]s threatened to undermine the anti-Cybertronian sentiment that the Council had spent years cultivating among its members. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}} Overlord interrupted a one-sided battle between his old tormentor and the D.J.D. commander [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]]. Declaring that only he was allowed to kill Megatron, Overlord attacked Tarn, distracting both from noticing the crippled Megatron escaping on a hoverscooter. Seeing that their goals overlapped, Tarn brought Overlord in as a temporary ally.

Aboard the ''[[Peaceful Tyranny]]'', Overlord immediately began undermining Tarn's command by trying to sow doubt in the mind of [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] while openly mocking the D.J.D. The D.J.D's image didn't benefit from a panicked [[Kaon (DJD)|Kaon]] begging Tarn to save his captured [[Dominus Ambus|"Pet"]]. Overlord watched on as Tarn decapitated Kaon and then jammed his severed head into Overlord's chest, telling him he wouldn't be mocked by such a desperate attention seeker. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 3: Your Fierce Tears|Your Fierce Tears}}

[[File:mtmte54 KRACK.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Admit it, you cheered a little at this.]]

When sundown came, Overlord stood with Tarn and Deathsaurus, a big smirk on his face, as they prepared to storm the Autobots. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 4: At Close of Day|At Close of Day}} After swatting Cyclonus to the floor, he gleefully sought out Chromedome and began to mock him with claims of what he'd done to Rewind, so Chromedome decked him, the first obvious sight the Autobots were charged with something. Once the charge ran out though, Megatron finally emerged to tear through the Decepticons...

...and Overlord dismissed this as just him getting a gun back. Bored and finding it easy to now shoot him down, {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 5: Rage, Rage|Rage, Rage}} Overlord concluded that Megatron had become a coward, and — disgusted by this change of heart — grimly told Tarn that he didn't ''need'' Megatron anymore before flying off. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}

Overlord spent the next few years aimlessly wandering, bored with life, before coming in contact with the exiled mad scientist [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], stationed on [[Earth]]. The two formed a partnership; after arriving on Earth, Overlord agreed to become a test subject for Tarantulas' ever-evolving [[Chimeracon]] process. Through Tarantulas' mad science, Overlord gained a third, [[human]]-based disguise; in this guise, he was able to forge an identity for himself as "Megan Guiglione," a populist anti-Cybertronian politician aiming to sow discord throughout Earth's political systems as its inhabitants struggled to adjust to life under the [[Council of Worlds]]. Not only could "Guiglione" secure funding and resources for Tarantulas' latest plan, but Tarantulas was also fascinated by the effects that "Megan" had on the government of the United States, seeing it as a twisted social experiment.

At one rally, "Megan" was attacked by Springer, who had been temporarily brainwashed by members of [[Mayhem Attack Squad|Mayhem]] and puppeteer into annihilating the firebrand politician, but only succeeded in revealing Overlord. Overlord promptly resumed his normal robot mode and slaughtered the Mayhem operatives who attempted to engage him. Intrigued by the reappearance of Verity at this meeting, Overlord abducted her and returned to the dormant volcano where he and Tarantulas had established their base. There, Tarantulas revealed the "[[Timemaze]]," a functional [[time travel|time machine]] through which Tarantulas would send Overlord back in time, over and over, and his actions would create an infinity of new timelines for Tarantulas to play with. Overlord, however, revealed that he had no interest in being Tarantulas's lackey anymore: instead, he would use the Timemaze to travel back in time and kill Megatron, wiping him from this reality and every alternate universe that might happen to spring up. He punctuated this statement (and his partnership with Tarantulas) by shooting the spider in the back of the head.

Before he could enter the machine, however, Springer and Impactor arrived; tackling Springer, the two plummeted into the volcano's caldera, causing a landslide that temporarily separated the combatants from one another. By the time Overlord found his feet and advanced on the two Autobots, Impactor sacrificed himself by allowing Springer to fire through him, giving him the opportunity to make a break for the Timemaze with Overlord in hot pursuit. As Overlord caught up to Springer, however, the villainous Phase Sixer was paralyzed by a sonic howl from [[Carnivac (G1)|Carnivac]], forcing both halves of his body to involuntarily assume their [[alternate mode]]s. Taking advantage of this paralysis, Springer and Verity were able to send his jet half into the distant future, then sent his tank half plummeting into the distant past. The fate of each of his components remains unknown. {{storylink|Transformers: Requiem of the Wreckers|Requiem of the Wreckers}}

===''Classics''===
[[File:InvasionPrologue-Gigatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Everything's shrunk except those glorious lips.]]
Long ago, Gigatron, the Overlord, grew restless in his duties at [[Darkmount (Cybertron)|Darkmount]], and forfeited his throne to [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]]. His psychotic craving for power led him to scour the universe, ultimately leading him to Earth.

Gigatron crash-landed in [[Japan]], where he adopted a robot form resembling a shogun and a Type 90 tank altmode. With most of Earth's Decepticons offplanet with [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]], he was able to gather a small army of ten warriors, and he would infrequently clash with [[Metalhawk (Masterforce)|Metalhawk]] and his fellow Earthbound Autobots. {{storylink|#Timelines|BotCon 2012 Gigatron profile card}} Once, Gigatron searched in [[Kitakyushu]] for [[Musashi Miyamoto|Musashi]]'s sword, but legends of the sword's strength were exaggerated.

Soon, Gigatron had set his sights on another potential source of power, [[Rarified Energon]]. The Autobots had been guarding it for a period of time, and had been moving it frequently to keep it out of the hands of the Decepticons. But Gigatron discovered that the Rarified Energon had been moved to [[Construction station|Ironworks]], and effortlessly battled through an army of [[Armored Robot Hunters|RUNTs]] to reach the Autobot station. There, he fought Metalhawk, and he and his Decepticons were forced to retreat. {{storylink|Overlord (Masterforce)#Timelines|BotCon 2012 Gigatron profile card}} {{storylink|Invasion Prologue}}

Gigatron continued to keep vigil over Ironworks, however, and when [[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]] brought him news of a skirmish involving heroic Decepticons and evil Autobots, Gigatron knew it was time to strike! With this distraction, they could easily take the Rarified Energon hidden in the vaults for themselves.

[[File:Invasion-destroythem.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Gigatron's about to be really happy he got stuck on Earth.]]
Once it was discovered that the evil Autobots were also after the Rarified Energon, Gigatron refused to be out-conquered. He and the majority of his troops came to the rescue of [[Soundwave (SG)|Sir Soundwave]], who was about to get assimilated by [[Junkion (species)#Shattered Glass|Junkions]]. Aiming to show these heroic Decepticons how it's done, he set Soundwave loose and continued battling the Junkions.

What Gigatron did not know was that the evil Autobots, led by [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]], intended to warp this iteration of Earth to their own universe's Cybertron, destroying it in the process. Though Sir Soundwave was able to expand the force field surrounding the evil Autobots' machinery large enough to protect the entire planet, saving Gigatron and his troops, no one foresaw the true scale of Magnus's intentions. And so as Earth neared the [[Primax -408.24 Epsilon|alternate universe]] Cybertron, its [[Primax 207.0 Epsilon|entire dimension]] was destroyed behind them, leaving Gigatron and the rest of his Earth's denizens the last remnants of their universe.

Gigatron and the others were unsurprisingly distraught, so [[Straxus (SG)|the Bard of Darkmount]] recited for them a hopeful poem. {{storylink|Invasion (issue)|Invasion}}

[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] took to perching on Overlord's arm. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #23|Recordicons #23}}
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===''Kre-O'' online manga===
[[File:KreO-webcomic-5-Overlord.jpg|right|thumb|75px|He's using...the smolder.]]

Overlord was part of a massive Decepticon invasion force intended to ruin the Autobots' picnic. However, [[Optimus Prime (Kre-O)|Optimus Prime]] plowed through them with his truck and left them scattered... and then left. Returning to the scene after.. ''ahem'', taking care of some pressing business, Optimus gathered up the still-wiped-out Kreons, bound them up on a flatbed trailer, and took them to the picnic. {{storylink|Emergency! Hurry to the Base, Optimus!}}

===''TransTech''===
A [[Duocon]] Overlord found his way to [[Axiom Nexus]], and became one of its most infamous "Parallel Killers". {{storylink|Rook - Axiom Nexus News: Investigative Journalist|Rook - Axiom Nexus news, 2015/06/15}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
In one reality, Overlord was a Decepticon who was "genderfluid" by organic-based gender standards. The [[Arcee (G1)#Ask Vector Prime|Arcee]] of Overlord's reality would mention Overlord in a lecture given in [[Axiom Nexus]] which [[Vector Prime]] attended. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/12/23}}

===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
At the onset of the [[Pax Cybertronia]], Overlord held [[Decepticon leader]]ship for a brief time, {{storylink|A Brush With Infamy–Prologue}} before he was overthrown by [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]. {{storylink|Cultural Appropriation}}

===''Titans Return'' marketing material===
A member of the ultra-elite [[Phase Sixer]] strike team, Overlord annihilated civilizations ready for Decepticon conquest. He was partnered with the ancient [[Titan Master]] [[Giga|Dreadnaut]], who granted his larger partner an Ion Impoder blast that could erase matter from existence. {{storylink|#Generations|''Titans Return'' Dreadnaut/Overlord packaging bio}}

===''Transformers: All Spark''===
Under the control of Giga, Overlord set up a trap by emitting a signal to lure in and destroy some Autobots, and was disappointed when only [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] showed up. He didn't do well while fighting the smaller opponents, however, and Mega ousted Giga from his position as Overlord's head to show him how it was done. Backed up by [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] and [[Octane]], Mega's Overlord nearly destroyed Bumblebee and Spike before Autobot reinforcements arrived and defeated the Decepticons, after which Overlord returned to his leader, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Looming Threat}}

===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons===
{{voiceactor|[[Patrick Seitz]] (English)}}
[[File:OverlordandEmissary-Overlord.jpg|thumb|300px|left|Let's bury the hatch—I say—let's bury the hatchet! But not in anyone's head, boy! "Hatchet head"! That's a joke, boy, you missed it. It went past you. You got to keep—I say—you got to keep on your toes!]]
Having been defeated by Megatron in the past, the only one to ever do so, Overlord sought revenge on the Decepticon leader. Promised the power to best Megatron by [[The Fallen|Megatronus]], he pledged his loyalty and uncovered the [[Matrix of Conquest|Matrix of Chaos]] from within the remains of [[Unicron]]. {{storylink|Volcanicus (episode)|Volcanicus}} Witnessing the events of the [[Combiner Wars (event)|Combiner Wars]] from afar, he decided to get a closer look for the sake of curiosity. Upon arrival in [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex City]], he eventually found his way into the [[Primal Basilica]], where he encountered the [[Mistress of Flame]].
[[File:TR-Ep4-Overlord-and-Emissary-Overlord-alt-modes.jpg|thumb|250px]]
She attacked him, but he easily overpowered her and demanded to know where he could find Megatron. When the Mistress of Flame failed to answer, Overlord electrocuted her and departed, leaving her for dead. {{storylink|Overlord and Emissary}} Overlord later found a weakened [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] and deemed him a suitable host for the Matrix of Chaos before forcibly shoving it into his chest, corrupting him and turning him into Rodimus Cron. {{storylink|At the Last Second}} Later, he and Rodimus observed the fall of [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] and the return of Megatronus from afar. {{storylink|All Things Must Pass}}

Searching for Megatron and the [[Requiem Blaster (Megatronus)|Requiem Blaster]] under Megatronus's orders, he and Rodimus attacked the Combiners. He restrained [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] until he finally confessed Megatron's whereabouts, prompting Overlord to snap his neck and head to [[Primal Swamp]]. {{storylink|Volcanicus (episode)|Volcanicus}} Upon their arrival, Overlord was enraged to not find Megatron, but he and Rodimus spotted the Dinobots and interrogated them for Megatron's next destination: the [[Athenaeum Sanctorum]]. The two picked up the trail and eventually reached the library, where Overlord spotted Megatron and lunged at him, promising to take his time in making Megatron suffer. {{storylink|Athenaeum Sanctorum (episode)|Athenaeum Sanctorum}} He attempted to electrocute Megatron into submission, but Megatron escaped with Perceptor's help. Undeterred, Overlord engaged in battle with Megatron, [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] and [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]], insistent that he be the one to finish the former. However, [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] tossed the Requiem Blaster to Megatron, who completely disintegrated Overlord with a single shot. {{storylink|Countdown (POTP)|Countdown}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers Legends''===
Overlord was part of a battle at some point, fighting alongside [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], and [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]]. {{storylink|Fan Favorite}}

==Toys==
===Super-God Masterforce===
[[File:G1 overlord toy.jpg|325px|thumb|Not to be confused with Blackstar's nemesis.]]
*'''Overlord''' (Godmaster, [[1988]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-307'''
**''Accessories:'' Giga and Mega Godmaster engines, "Transtector Destroyer Cannon", three missiles, tank barrel, two ramps/shin guards, central ramp, two radar arrays, double-barreled laser, rocket launcher, car

:''[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (toyline)|Masterforce]]'' Overlord consists of two vehicles, the Gigatank and the Megajet, which are able to combine together to form a [[robot mode]] or a base mode. Like any Godmaster (or [[Powermaster]]), Overlord is only able to transform when the Giga and Mega Godmaster figures are transformed into engine mode and snapped into place in the sockets on top of the vehicles. Inserting Giga into the tank splits it in half to form legs for robot mode, or alternatively, the left and right emplacements of the base (the left containing a fold-out twin cannon, the right a poseable claw arm). Fitting Mega into the jet, meanwhile, unlocks the toy's shoulder articulation for robot mode and its fold-out launchpad for base mode. Once the toy is in its hefty, 15"-tall robot mode, the figures can be removed from their sockets and fitted into two further ports hidden beneath doors on his chest, which unlock the multi-barreled "Chōkon Daemon Blast" and spring-loaded "Chōkon Bolt Masher" weapons that pop out of his stomach. One figure can also fit into the [[Roller (G1)|Roller]]-style car that comes with the set.

:There is, unfortunately, no one mode that uses all of Overlord's many accessories.

:Overlord's instructions do not feature the additional large jet mode seen in the animated series and manga, as it (like [[Sixshot]]'s "Wingwolf" mode or BlackZarak's "Dakatsu" mode) was created by the production staff after fiddling around with the toy itself. As such, it's entirely possible to put the toy in this form, although it doesn't rest evenly on a flat surface.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1988/Destron/Overlord/overlord.htm More information on Overlord at TFU.info]''
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===Generation 1===
*'''Overlord''' ([[1991]])

:Overlord's toy was later released in Europe and Australasia with a different shade of purple plastic, in a packaging design reminiscent of the concurrently available "[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]" figures. Diverging from previous Hasbro fiction for [[Powermaster]]s that treated the little figures that turn into their engines as [[Nebulan]]s, Overlord's companions were declared so-called "[[Energon figure|Energon mini figure]]s" instead, and the term "Powermaster" isn't mentioned at all.

===Timelines===
[[File:Timelinestoy-BC2012Gigatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Oh my, Bludgeon, you've never looked so... ''kissable''... before...]]
*'''Invasion''' ([[BotCon 2012]] box set)
**''Accessories:'' {{w|Katana}}, {{w|Wakizashi|tanto}}
:''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' "Gigatron" ([[trademark]] reasons) is a [[redeco]]/[[retool]] of ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' Voyager Class [[Bludgeon (ROTF)#Voyager|Bludgeon]], sporting a new head. Gigatron transforms from a Japanese {{w|Type 90 Kyū-maru|Type 90}} tank into a samurai-esque robot mode. He features a flexible plastic sword which is made out of a portion of the barrel of the tank's main gun as well as a smaller dagger. The dagger can be stored in a sheath which is revealed from inside the tank turret, and both blades can be slotted in holes provided on the robot mode's left hip guard. Additionally, the dagger's handle can fit in the base of the sword's handle, forming a double-bladed weapon. He has [[Mech Alive]] [[gimmick]]s in his thighs and turret: Sculpted cylinders in his thighs rotate whenever his lower legs are rotated, and pulling his turret open makes a sculpted "disc" at the center rotate while a scabbard for the tantō hinges over to the side and props itself up for use.

:The [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] is one of the very few Transformer tank toys with rubber components to its treads. Portions of the tread links can unlock, allowing them to hang from the robot mode, while the wheels of the treads are integrated separately into the robot mode form itself. The treads still do not function realistically; small plastic wheels on the underside of the treads help the tank mode roll, as is standard with nearly all Transformer tank toys.

:The original version of this mold was [[redeco]]ed into ''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers]]'' [[Banzaitron (TF 2010)#Transformers (2010)|Banzaitron]], and it was differently retooled to make ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Generations|Megatron]] and ''[[Transformers Cloud|Cloud]]'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Cloud|Megatron]].

:Gigatron was released in a box set with [[Ultra Magnus (SG)#Timelines|Ultra Magnus]], [[Tracks (SG)#Timelines|Tracks]], [[Treadshot (SG)#Timelines|Treadshot]], [[Soundwave (SG)#Timelines|Soundwave]], and [[Metalhawk (Masterforce)#Timelines|Metalhawk]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Decepticon/BCGigatron/gigatron.htm More information on BotCon Gigatron at TFU.info]''
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===Kre-O===
{{anchor|BotCon2014}}
[[File:KreO-Toy BC14-Gigatron.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Far less kissable than previous Gigatrons.]]
*'''Kreon Gigatron''' (Kreon Souvenir Figure Set, 2014)
**''Accessories'': Katana, robot sword

: "Kreon Gigatron" is based on the [[BotCon 2012]] [[#Timelines|Gigatron figure]], and can be re-built into a battle tank. His gun barrel is partially made from/stores his katana blade, just like the larger figure. He uses the [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)#Kre-O|Sentinel Prime]] helmet.

: This figure was only available as part of a [[BotCon 2014]] ''Kre-O'' six-pack, including [[Breakdown (G1)#BotCon2014|Breakdown]], [[Fractyl#Kre-O|Fractyl]], [[Landshark (G1)#Kre-O|Landshark]], [[Rattrap (BW)/toys#Kre-O|Rattrap]], and [[Rodimus (SG)#Kre-O|''Shattered Glass'' Rodimus]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Decepticon/BCKre-OGigatron/gigatron.htm More information on Gigatron at TFU.info]''
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===Generations===
====Titans Return====
[[File:TitansReturn-Overlord.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.7|Hidden head nipple.]]
*'''Dreadnaut & Decepticon Overlord''' (Leader Class, 2017)
**''Accessories'': [[Giga#Generations|Dreadnaut]] Titan Master, tank barrel/gun, cockpit/shield

: Part of the fifth wave of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' Leader Class toys, "Decepticon Overlord" is a partial redeco of the same line's [[Black Shadow (Victory)#Titans Return|Sky Shadow]]: the tank component is mostly a redeco with the waist slightly retooled, but the jet component is an entirely new sculpt. He retains the ability to split into both a tank and a jet simultaneously, as well as a combined base mode. In another change from Sky Shadow, the jet nosecone is now removable and can be worn as a shield on either shoulder in robot mode. It can also plug into his chest as additional armor, and the tip can be removed to make the bottom hatch more accessible.

: In homage to his original Godmaster gimmick, Overlord has two opening doors on his chest which reveal slots for the storage of two individual [[Titan Master]] or [[Prime Master]] figures (one in each pectoral) in head/spark mode. Care must be taken though, as these compartments are VERY snug and the Titan Master may get stuck inside or will not fit altogether, depending on the head sculpt. The pectoral slots are also not deep enough to allow the doors to close once a Titan Master or Prime Master has been inserted.

: His tank mode still has the clips from Sky Shadow that allow for Sky Shadow's jet component to carry it, but lacks the corresponding connector on his jet component. Instead the Jet can be mounted on top of the tank by clamping Overlord's chest doors along the Tank's cab sides, although this only loosely secures it. There is also a detail sculpted at the base of his torso (ostensibly landing gear) that can be used as a base connector like the ones in his feet.

: On some figures, the 5mm hole on his tank where his gun plugs in and the holes on his shoulders are extremely snug, which can make it difficult to remove anything that might be plugged into them. The 5mm post on his jet's nose that allows it to be used as a shield is also extremely prone to popping out, in part because of the former issue.

: Both the CG renders depicted on the back of his packaging and the official stock photos depicting a near-final sample show both the tank and the jet mode with the gun/tank barrel attached, thereby implying that he includes two weapons, one to be used for each mode, even though the figure only inlcudes one weapon. Additionally, both the CG render and the stock photo of his base mode have the section of the tank/right leg that contains a cockpit for a Titan Master flipped up, the same way Sky Shadow's base mode is also depicted in his own CG renders and stock photos, even though the instructions show the cockpit being folded down for the base mode.

: Sadly, his lips are not terribly kissable.

===Legends===
[[File:TF-Legends-LG-60-Overlord.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|One of my face-nipples only tells the truth - the other tells only lies. Which will you trust?]]
*'''Overlord''' (Leader Class, [[2018]]-[[January 27|01-27]])
**''ID number'': '''LG-60'''
**''Accessories'': Gigatank barrel/gun, [[Giga#Legends|Giga]] Headmaster, [[Mega#Legends|Mega]] Headmaster, Megajet cockpit/shield

:''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' Overlord is a retool of the ''Titans Return'' Leader Class figure above, featuring a new chest with sculpted-in Godmaster engines, new doors, and a new helmet. In addition to an anime-accurate deco, Overlord also comes with new [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] figures of [[Giga#Legends|Giga]], with an anime-accurate face, and [[Mega#Legends|Mega]], with a feminine face. When using Giga as a face, his chest doors are supposed to be open and the cockpit should be attached to the arm, and is referred to as '''Overlord Giga'''. With Mega, the doors are closed and the cockpit is attached to the back, and goes by the name '''Overlord Mega'''. The [[Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 60|pack-in manga]] shows a combination of two Overlords called '''Overlord Tera''', but, uh, good luck with that. Promotional photography shows Overlord's feet transformed differently from the Hasbro version, placing him up on his tippy-toes so as to increase his height. This is presumably to allow him to scale better with ''Legends'' [[Ginrai (human)#Legends|Super Ginrai]]. While this does work, the front halves of the feet aren't level with the back halves, and must be adjusted at an angle to keep him standing upright, which combined with less-than-tight swivels will often having him falling over. If one wishes to restore the chest slots for the Titan Masters, one must unscrew the jet piece, and pry the pieces out from the inside.
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==Merchandise==
===Parody Deformed===
[[File:Overlord pd model.jpg|thumb|Overlooked.]]
*'''Overlord''' ([[1990]])

:A small blue and white, non-transforming [[super deformed]] model kit of Overlord was available as part of [[Kabaya]]'s "[[Parody Deformed]]" line of [[candy toy]]s. The eighth figure in the series, he came with a "[[Transformers PD Type]]" comic about himself, "Oh, Overlord", and something that could charitably be described as "chocolate".
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===Super Collection Figure===
[[File:HOC Gigatron.jpg|thumb|I can't transform? Where's the fun in that?]]
*'''Overlord''' ([[2001]])

:A PVC figure of Overlord was part of the ''Super-God Masterforce''-centric fifth act of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s ''[[Heroes of Cybertron|Super Collection Figure]]'' series, available in both full colour and metallic silver "pewter" in an equal ratio of one each per case of twelve figures. In eight out of every ten cases, the pewter version of Overlord came packaged with the right leg of the wave's "build-a-figure", BlackZarak, itself also available in full color and pewter versions.

:The colour version of his figure was later released in the fourth wave of [[Hasbro]]'s ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'', under the new name of [[Gigatron (G1)#Heroes of Cybertron|Gigatron]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Decepticon/HoCGigatron/gigatron.htm More information on ''Super Collection Figure'' Overlord at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Destron/PewterOverlord/overlord.htm More information on pewter Overlord at TFU.info]''
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===Transformers Gum===
[[File:KabayaDX2Overlord.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Breaking out of these plastic sprues was never a challenge - I just lacked motivation.]]
*'''Overlord''' ([[2013]])
:Overlord was released in series 2 of Kabaya's larger-sized DX gum kits. Since the original ''Masterforce'' Overlord toy could only transform by being disassembled, this particular Kabaya kit stands out from most others in terms of near-perfectly matching the transformation mechanism of its template, and can be configured into the paired Megajet-and-Gigatank vehicle modes, city mode, and a 5" tall robot mode. It also includes tiny transforming removable Mega and Giga Godmaster engines, though all of their associated spring-loaded features are no longer present.

:This kit also adds some new features to the Overlord design. There is now a gear-driven rotating platform in the city mode on which the small car can be spun around before deploying, and every accessory can now be stored in all of Overlord's modes.
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==Notes==
*Overlord was a new [[character]] created for the 1988 Japanese ''Super God Masterforce'' series. While all his fellow Godmasters had American Powermaster counterpart characters (Ginrai had [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], Lightfoot had [[Getaway]], and so forth), Overlord's counterpart came later in the form of a 1991 European and Australasian exclusive. The bio of this figure stated that he was a dimension-hopper, which leaves the door open for him being the ''Masterforce'' character who jumped dimensions into the European toy bio continuity. Overlord did not have an American counterpart until 2003, when the ''Heroes of Cybertron'' line introduced "[[Gigatron (G1)|Gigatron]]". However, the little-known nature of this character (existing as he did only as an obscure PVC figurine), coupled with the fact that Overlord had been around for fifteen years already, meant that the idea of a Powermaster named Gigatron who existed as a separate character from the Godmaster Overlord didn't really become widespread. Dreamwave would briefly mention "Gigatron" as the originator of the Powermaster process in their contemporary ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' profiles, but when the non-Godmaster version of the character appeared again a few years later in [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' series, he was "Overlord" once more. It would not be until [[Fun Publications]] stories in [[2015]] and [[2016]] that versions of Overlord and Gigatron would be established as coexisting in the same universe.
*Early during pre-production for ''Masterforce'', Overlord was named '''Leviathan'''. This was almost certainly a name based in series creator [[Masumi Kaneda]]'s desire to sprinkle the series with assorted Biblical allegories; the name-change is fairly symptomatic of how these references wound up being downplayed to the point of near-total obfuscation in the finished show.
*[[James Roberts]] stated that he envisioned the IDW incarnation of Overlord to sound like English actor {{w|John Simm}}<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20120829174627/http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=166284&highlight= James Roberts on the IDW forums (via the Internet Archive)]</ref> (who at the time was the most recent performer of {{w|The Master (Doctor Who)|The Master}} on ''[[Doctor Who]]''). By contrast, [[Patrick Seitz]] gives Overlord a Southern U.S. accent in the ''Prime Wars Trilogy'' webtoons.
*Like all non-toy robot Kreons in the ''Kre-O'' manga, Overlord is made from existing ''Kre-O'' parts. He uses the [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Ironhide]] helmet, the twin-cannon backpack, a black clip-on tread with a small jet-fin plugged into each side, and the bazooka with an extra 1x1 cone on the end.
*The concept image for Kreon Gigatron used in the pack-in flier shows him with white tank-turret parts rather than the final toy's light gray.
*A proposed [[Fun Publications]] [[BotCon]] [[exclusive]] was a redeco of [[Mindwipe (ROTF)#Toys|''Revenge of the Fallen'' Mindwipe]] into "'''[[Mega]]'''bolt", a counterpart to the BotCon 2012 "'''[[Giga]]'''tron" toy.<ref>[http://www.toycollectors.com.au/bc14/bc14br.html BotCon 2014 attendee report by griffin]</ref>
*In [[2015]], ''[[Transformers Animated: The Complete AllSpark Almanac|The Complete AllSpark Almanac]]'' retroactively declared Overlord to be a [[Duocon]] and to possess a [[mitotic spark]].

===Foreign names===
*''Mandarin:'' '''Bàwáng''' (China, 霸王, "Overlord"), '''Chāozài''' (China, 超载, "Overload")

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-images/tech-specs/Heroes-Of-Cybertron-Tech-Specs/2003-Transformers-Tech-Specs/Powermaster_Gigatron.jpg.html Powermaster Gigatron's tech-specs] at TFW2005.com

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Omega Supreme (G1)

2019-03-28T03:53:31Z

NovaSaber: /* IDW Generation 1 continuity */

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{{Disambigm|Omega Supreme (disambiguation)|Omega S.P.R.E.E.M.}}
:''Omega Supreme is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:StudioOxOmegaSupreme.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Favorite punctuation mark: colon.]]

'''Omega Supreme''' is one of the [[Scale|largest Autobots there is]]. He isn't much for words, preferring his massive frame and equally massive weapons to do the talking for him. Omega is the last line of defense for the Autobots, a titanic guardian robot capable of instilling fear and panic into the [[spark]]s of [[Decepticon]]s that dare face him on the field of battle.

Except [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]]. Kill that little guy, it just makes him angry.

{{bigquote|Omega Supreme: always prepared.|Omega Supreme|"[[Blaster Blues]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Jack Angel]] (English), [[Tesshō Genda]] (Japanese), [[Masashi Ebara]] (Japanese, ''2010'')|[[Yang Wenyuan]] (Mandarin), [[Henry Djanik]] (French), [[Carlos Agosti]] (American Spanish), [[Gernot Duda]] (German, "The Big Broadcast of 2006"), [[Gerd Rigauer]] (German, "The Golden Lagoon" ''Generation 2'' dub), [[Garcia Neto]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}

[[File:Omegadefendscrystalcity.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|How his base ends up on the planets his rocket flies to is just another of those eternal mysteries of life.]]

Millions of years ago, Omega Supreme was a member of the legendary [[Guardian robot]]s, and was charged with defending [[Crystal City]], the most spectacular city on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. He befriended the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], the city's creators. However, as it would happen, the Constructicons were attacked by [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]'s [[Robosmasher]] and converted into [[Decepticon]]s. The now-evil Constructicons convinced Omega to leave his post to help defend the capital city, and promised to look after the city in his stead. When he left, they demolished the Crystal City, to Omega Supreme's horror. He hunted them down, trapping them in a pit, and tried to reverse the reprogramming done by the Robo-Smasher. Though he appeared to be successful, the programming was irreversible, and Megatron had given the Constructicons a new combined form named [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. The treacherous Constructicons lured Omega into an ambush and in their new form attempted to use the Smasher to convert him into a Decepticon, but he destroyed the machine and they fled before he recovered from the attack.

{{Quote|I lived, but changed. Since then, I feel only hate for the Constructicons.}}

[[File:Robo-Smasher and Omega Supreme.jpg|thumb|upright=1.45|Et tu, Robo-Smasher?]]
Some time after these events transpired—after the launch of the [[Ark (G1)|Autobot]] and [[Nemesis (G1)|Decepticon starships]]—the Constructicons left Cybertron in a starship and tried to locate the missing Megatron. Omega Supreme pursued them, "for millions of years, across the galaxies"; eventually, the Constructicons rejoined Megatron on [[Earth]], and Omega Supreme followed them there, still seeking revenge. {{Storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme (episode)|The Secret of Omega Supreme}}

[[File:Omegasupreme astrotrain.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.15|A shuttle in the hand is worth two on the track.]]
For the most part, he acted as inter-planetary transport for the Autobots, as well as their last line of defense. While he was preparing for a round of target practice, Omega lost contact with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] when [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] began broadcasting the music from a concert over the Autobot communications frequencies. The interference resulted in Megatron getting away clean with the [[Voltronic Galaxer]], which necessitated a trip to the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]] to retrieve it. Omega took Optimus, [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]], [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] and [[Carly]]. There, he got to battle [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]], who taunted him for being outdated technology, but changed his tune after Omega triumphed. {{Storylink|Blaster Blues}} When the Decepticons found a pool of [[electrum]], rendering them invulnerable, they attacked Omega Supreme. His weapons had no effect on them, and the titan fell. Later the Autobots got the opportunity for payback when they located the electrum pool and used it themselves, gaining the advantage as the Decepticons' electrum coating wore off. {{Storylink|The Golden Lagoon (episode)|The Golden Lagoon}}

After [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] crashed on [[Titan (moon)|Titan]], Omega carried [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] and [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] there on a rescue mission. Unfortunately he just barely had enough energy to land, and was left teetering on the edge of a cliff overhanging a lake of deadly liquid. The moon was fortunately rich in [[energy crystal]]s, and Perceptor was able to use them to repower Omega. The explosion of the crystal deposit caused the island they were on to begin to disintegrate, so Omega Supreme used his base mode to transport everyone across to safety. {{Storylink|The God Gambit}}

[[File:Secretomegachatinwoods.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|Storytime: informative.]]
Omega Surpreme finally got his chance at revenge when the Constructicons started mining an asteroid that turned out to be the egg of an [[Asteroid bird alien|strange creature]]. Omega left the creature to its own devices, which would have resulted in it devouring [[San Francisco]]. However, Optimus Prime convinced Omega to lead the creature back to its asteroid, which would sustain it. Omega lost his chance at revenge, but he did his duty. {{Storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme (episode)|The Secret of Omega Supreme}}

After the energy pest [[Kremzeek (G1)|Kremzeek]] took out most of the Autobots, Omega Supreme transported the survivors of his attack to [[Japan]] in an attempt to track down the creature. When they arrived, they were immediately beset by Kremzeek, however the Autobots remembered that Omega had not been coated with the insulating compound that was protecting them. Omega took to the air, but Kremzeek managed to reach him anyway, and he quickly crashed onto the Japanese beach. [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] promised they'd fix him up as soon as possible. {{storylink|Kremzeek!}}

The Autobots used Omega Supreme to follow the Decepticons back to Cybertron when Megatron intended to use [[Vector Sigma]] to create a new group of Decepticon warriors. After failing to stop the Decepticons from creating the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]], {{Storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1}} the Autobots created a new team of their own to counter the new threat, the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]]. As Omega Supreme escaped Cybertron, he was hit by weapons fire from the [[Centurion droid]]s, and once he safely disembarked his passengers on Earth, he catastrophically exploded.

[[File:KtVS2 Omega Supreme in pieces.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Exploding: painful.]]
[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] and [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] connected Omega Supreme's mind to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'s life support unit while they set about putting the giant back together. The arrogant Aerialbots, unimpressed with both the Autobots and the humans they protected, refused to help their comrades in defeating the Decepticons until their group leader [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] showed them how Sparkplug was able to disregard his fatigue and continue repairing Omega Supreme simply because of his concern for a friend's well being. Soon afterwards, the Aerialbots were facing defeat as [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] at the hands of the Stunticon combined form, [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], when the newly repaired Omega Supreme suddenly appeared and helped them defeat the combiner and send the Decepticons packing. {{Storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2}}

[[File:BigBroadcast Omega Supreme attacked in rocket mode.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|Enemy fire: tickles.]]
He transported the Autobots and the Aerialbots back to Cybertron when they detected strange energy readings emanating from the planet. The trip expended his energy so he was forced to sit out the mission. While the Autobots dealt with a [[Kronosphere|time machine]] sending the Aerialbots to the past, the Decepticons reactivated one of Omega's fellow Guardian Robots. After the Aerialbots returned from their trip through time, Silverbolt handed over some power packs they had taken from the Cybertron's Golden Age to refuel Omega. {{Storylink|War Dawn (episode)|War Dawn}}

After the coming of [[Unicron]], his space transport role was fulfilled by [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]], though he still carried out occasional missions. He transported several Autobots to Junkion to investigate the strange behaviour of the Junkions. He was shot down by [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and the [[Sweep (G1)|Sweeps]] crashing the Autobots on an asteroid. After being repaired Omega quickly turned the tide of the battle. Upon arriving on Junkion, Omega again battled the Decepticons. He was knocked down by a blast from Galvatron's cannon mode, but recovered and battled the Decepticons until Blaster asked him to bring him to altitude to counter the Quintesson signals. {{Storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (episode)|The Big Broadcast of 2006}}

He was off on an undescribed mission when [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] acquired super-intelligence. {{Storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}

====Ask Vector Prime====
Omega Supreme discovered [[Protectobot (G1)|five survivors]] on the wreckage of the ancient colony world, [[Archon]]. He brought them back to Earth, where they were eventually revived by an infusion of energon from the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]]. They would become known as the Protectobots. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/21}}

====Madman ''The Transformers'' comic====
In the year 2001, the Decepticons had managed to conquer Cybertron completely. Omega Supreme aided in the Autobots' exodus of the planet, though he came under heavy enemy fire during this mission. {{storylink|The Transformers (Madman)|The Transformers}}

====''The Animated Movie''====
[[File:TAM TPB Gestalt Fight.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]

During the [[Battle of Autobot City]] in 2005, Omega Supreme was unable to come to the aid of the stricken city, as he was defending [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]] alongside [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] and [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] against an attack by Menasor and Bruticus. {{storylink|Transformers: The Animated Movie|The Animated Movie trade paperback}}
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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''The Battle of the Star Gate''=====
Omega Supreme (at least, his rocket component) was amongst the Autobots who accompanied Optimus into Earth orbit to stop Megatron’s take-over of the ''[[Trigger]]''. They were able to repel the Decepticons from the space station in short order. {{storylink|First Contact (Star Gate)|First Contact}}

Omega Supreme’s rocket component was amongst the Autobots who once more confronted Megatron and his Decepticons at the ''Trigger'' in Earth orbit. When Starscream combined himself with the ''Trigger'' to create a powerful new body for himself, Omega Supreme had to contend with the volley of asteroids thrown towards both Autobots and Decepticons from Starscream’s star gate. He was then almost sucked into a portal to a black hole when Starscream neared defeat, but was instead sent plummeting down to Earth when Optimus and Megatron worked together to defeat Starscream. {{storylink|The Battle of the Star Gate}}

=====''The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers''=====
Omega Supreme was deployed alongside [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] and [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] by [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] to defend the [[Prime Energy Tower]] of planet [[Feminia]] from the Decepticons. Together, the three giant Autobots were a match for [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], and [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]]. Unfortunately, [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] had a trump card ready: [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]]. With a single blow from his fist, Predaking toppled Omega Supreme, Defensor, and Superion. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 5|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #5}}

=====''Unite Warriors''=====
When the Constructicons tricked [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] into helping them build a new Crystal City on Earth, Omega Supreme seemingly set aside his enmity against the team in favor of aiding in the reconstruction of his former home. {{storylink|Unite Warriors Offshot#Crystal City Reconstruction Project|Crystal City Reconstruction Project}}

=====Wars manga=====
After a devastating battle with the [[Decepticon]]s during an energy crisis, Omega Supreme was forced to use [[Guardian robot]] components as spare parts for his own body. He apologized to [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] for his failure in defending him, but the city-bot took it in stride. When [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] and the Decepticons attacked again, the rebuilt Metroplex transformed into [[robot mode]] and Omega manned one of his cannons. After Omega Supreme pointed out that Metrotitan was reprogrammed by the [[Nine Great Demon Generals]], Metrotitan rejected the rumor, leading Metroplex to definitively banish the traitor from the Autobots. With the Autobots' combined efforts, the Decepticons were sent fleeing. {{storylink|Metrowars}}

=====''Legends'' comic=====
While recapping Metroplex's life story to [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] and [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] in the [[Legends World|Legends Universe]], [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] included the time he battled Metrotitan alongside Omega Supreme. {{storylink|LG14 Ultra Magnus Prologue#The Mysterious Knowledgeable Grandpa Chapter|The Mysterious Knowledgeable Grandpa Chapter}}

====''Wings Universe''====
Nine million years ago, Omega Supreme was introduced to the rest of the Constructicons by [[Hauler]], while the team was still in the process of building Crystal City. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 42|Hauler's ''Wings of Honor'' profile}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics====
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[[File:Omega comics.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|I... AM DARKWING DUCK!]]
Soon after [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] was brought online on Earth, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] had a secret project in mind for the architect: {{storylink|Rock and Roll-Out!}} the construction of Omega Supreme. Designed to be the Autobots' last line of defense and given life by Prime's [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]], Omega Supreme was unveiled in front of the Autobot rank and file. With Omega completed, they were now free to leave the base en masse to attack the Decepticons, an advantage Optimus Prime utilized immediately. As the Autobots attacked the [[Wyoming base|Decepticon headquarters]], [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]], unaware of Omega Supreme's birth, took [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]], [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]], and [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] with him to attack the Ark, which he believed to be unguarded. At first Megatron underestimated the tank and rocket ship sitting outside their target, but Omega Supreme transformed and within moments destroyed all of them one by one without pause. Laserbeak managed to escape with a wounded Megatron back to the Decepticons. {{storylink|Command Performances!}}

''Early on in the first [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] encounter, the Autobots openly talked about siccing Omega Supreme on the Decepticons. And then '''never did so''', despite it being a smart idea and knowing it was an option.'' {{storylink|Target: 2006}} ''Later, believing that Optimus Prime was dead thanks a plan involving a [[facsimile construct]], Omega attended a funeral for the Autobot leader before Prime was returned to them from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] via the [[space bridge]].'' {{storylink|Resurrection!}}

[[File:Omegasupreme-blasterandgrimlock.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Size: indeterminate.]]
Though Omega Supreme continued to guard the Ark, he didn't seem to stay [[Scale|quite as huge]] as he used to be. He could soon fit into the Ark, where watched with other Autobots as Ratchet tried to repair Optimus Prime, who had fallen in battle. Prime was declared irreparable, and Omega Supreme helped install a remote-control system for the Ark's defenses so all Autobots could attend their leader's funeral. During the ceremony, Omega placed Optimus's body in his final resting place, a spaceship casket which they shot into space. Upon the Autobots' return to the Ark, they found that its defenses would not shut down; in their absence, a villainous [[Mechanic|human]] had infiltrated their base and disabled the newly installed remote-control system. Ratchet, who had stayed behind, managed to defeat the intruder, and promised to repair all damaged Autobots within the following couple of days. {{storylink|Funeral for a Friend!}} The funeral motivated Omega to work even harder so as to not let Optimus Prime down. He defended the Ark against an assault by [[Cobra]] aircraft and [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]. [[Serpentor]] then blew up Dirge as a demonstration of Cobra's peaceful intent and Omega ceased fire. {{storylink|Ashes, Ashes...}} [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] and Omega cemented their alliance with [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] and Cobra as the Decepticons took control of [[Power Station Alpha]]. {{storylink|...All Fall Down!}}

Omega entered the Ark again when he and other high-ranking Autobots assembled to nominate Prime's replacement, and he suggested courage as a valuable trait for their imaginary candidate. When [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] attacked, the Decepticon carpeted the entrance to the Ark with sonic scrambler mines, disabling Omega and the other Autobots within; Omega was thus unable to square off against the giant. Fortunately, they were rescued by [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] and the other [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], a turn of events that persuaded him, along with the other Autobots, to support Grimlock as their new leader. {{storylink|King of the Hill!}} He later changed his mind and was amongst the Autobots that approached the deserter Blaster to take over the leadership. {{storylink|Spacehikers!}} To settle the issue, Omega Supreme acted as a sort of Master of Ceremonies when Blaster and Grimlock were due to fight it out for Autobot leadership on the [[Moon (moon)|moon]]. He had shrunk more by then, but once [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]'s Decepticons surprise-attacked them, he seemed bigger again. Omega survived the battle seemingly uninjured. {{storylink|Totaled!}}

[[File:Buzzsawyikes4.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|It: Over 9000.]]
Omega traveled with the rest of the Autobots to the [[Arctic]] to investigate a distress signal sent by [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]]. Soon, they were ambushed by two Decepticon armies, and Buzzsaw cannon-blasted Omega Supreme—and Omega actually seemed to be getting knocked over. This was all revealed as a plot by Starscream to divert both factions away from his attempts to absorb the powers of the [[Underbase]]. Omega traveled to [[Buenos Aires]] as part of a team led jointly by [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]]. When Fortress Maximus was in danger, he jumped to his rescue—however, the Underbase-powered Starscream, recalling his earlier defeat at Omega's hands, gleefully killed him. {{storylink|Dark Star}} {{storylink|Fallen Star!}}

Ratchet was tormented by his inability to repair all of the Autobots under his care, to the extent that the medic started to have nightmares about Omega Supreme and various other deactivated Autobots reviving as [[zombie]]s to kill him for his failures. Ratchet's nightmares came true for a short while, when the Decepticon [[Sports Car Patrol]] managed to infiltrate the Ark and took control of the damaged Autobots' bodies to torment him. When this failed to make Ratchet snap completely, the Decepticons' plan was abandoned and Omega Supreme was shut down once more. {{storylink|Back from the Dead}}

''Omega was repaired in time for the [[Transformer]]s' [[1989]] [[Christmas]] party, where he joined [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] and Grimlock behind the sofa in scowling at [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] and [[Darkwing (G1)|Darkwing]].'' {{storylink|:File:MarvelUK-250.jpg|''The Transformers'' #250 cover}}

=====The Big Broadcast of 2006=====
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[[File:Omega supreme big broadcast of 2006.jpg|thumb|upright=0.9]]
In an alternate future of [[2006]], Omega Supreme flew a group of Autobots to [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]] to investigate some strange goings-on there. Several aliens had been affected by a subliminal broadcast emanating from the planet, causing them to gather in its orbit and duke it out between themselves. Omega Supreme fought off several of the alien spacecrafts that were attacking his fellow Autobots. He also battled with "[[Scourge (G1)|Sweeps]]" and helped disrupt the [[Quintesson]] hypnosis signal by flying [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] into the air to broadcast soothing music. {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (issue)|The Big Broadcast of 2006}}
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====''Regeneration One''====
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[[File:Omega supreme destiny.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.7]]
When [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s [[Blitz Engine]]s were unleashed on the surface of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Omega Supreme was activated by [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] to take care of the menacing pests. Soundwave ordered [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]] to take him out with prejudice. {{storylink|Destiny, Part Four}} Omega proved more than capable of resisting the gestalt, however; as [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] defeated Bludgeon and the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] (under the command of Starscream) destroyed the ''[[Warworld]]'', Omega blasted Monstructor into many little bits. {{storylink|Destiny, Part Five}}
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:TheOmegaEffect OmegaSupreme Sunstorm Starscream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Starscream's pants: soiled]]
Some time after the departure of the Ark, Omega Supreme and [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] were part of one of the last Autobot space programs, tasked with containing the expansion of the Decepticons to other worlds and, more importantly, to find [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and the crew of the Ark. The two eventually parted ways with the other members of the operation, [[Countdown (G1)|Countdown]] and [[Groundshaker]], in order to investigate a beacon emanating from the [[Solar System|Sol System]]. {{storylink|Destined for Nothing}} Jetfire and Omega detected what they thought was the energy signature of the Ark, only to be attacked by [[Scourge (G1)|a mysterious, powerful assailant]] and ultimately ended up buried under Antarctica on Earth. {{Storylink|Original Sin}} Millions of years later, Jetfire remotely reactivated Omega Supreme in an attempt to defeat the powerful and insane [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]. Though Omega Supreme managed to capture the weakened Sunstorm thanks to Ratchet's energy siphon, Starscream destroyed the device to enable his own escape, reactivating Sunstorm and truly commencing the battle between the two powerhouses. Omega was ultimately successful in overpowering Sunstorm in a straight fight, but when he retracted his damaged visor in order to examine his quarry, Sunstorm blasted him right in the face with a burst of solar radiation, instantly knocking him off line. {{Storylink|The Omega Effect}} Omega rebooted as Cliffjumper, Bumblebee, and Jetfire came upon him, and explained what had transpired in his confrontation against Sunstorm to them. {{Storylink|Original Sin}} While he was recuperating from his damage, he shared [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]]'s concerns over the danger their friends were in and how useless they felt. {{Storylink|Atonement}} Omega later recovered and helped the Autobots in building [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]. {{Storylink|The Route of All Evil}}
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===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[File:ArtofWar3 OmegaSupreme Sixshot Astrotrain.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|Characteristic speech pattern: averted.]]
Omega Supreme served as security during an Autobot peace ceremony on Cybertron. When [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]]'s forces attacked, he transformed and shot down [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]], but soon found himself surrounded by [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]], [[Piranacon (G1)|Piranacon]] and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 3|The Art of War #3}} The combined might of the three giants was too much for Omega, who was defeated and almost crushed a [[Optimus Prime's rescuees|civilian]] as he fell to the ground. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 4|The Art of War #4}}

Following the defeat of Serpent O.R. and the Decepticon army, Omega Supreme helped repair damaged buildings in [[Capitol City]]. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}
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===IDW 2005 continuity===
:*''First Appearance:'' [[Stormbringer issue 1|''Transformers: Stormbringer'' #1]] (cameo); [[Spotlight: Optimus Prime]] (full)
[[File:OmegaSupreme SpotlightPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Privacy: Requested. Discharge: Imminent.]]
Leader of the [[Guardian robot|Omega Sentinels]], Omega Supreme is an extremely ancient Transformer, hailing from the time of the [[Knights of Cybertron]] in the planet's largely-forgotten past. Following the formation of the [[Thirteen]], the bestial [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Onyx Prime]] masterminded a Cybertronian [[expansion]] across the universe. Bound by honor to follow the will of the [[Prime (rank)|Primes]], Supreme led his Sentinels in making first contact with the planet [[Antilla]], laying waste to the planet at Onyx's command and driving the [[Antillan]]s to the brink of extinction. In retaliation, the Antillans constructed the [[Talisman (G1)|a machine]] that eventually warped their lifeless world into [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] much to Omega's regret and horror. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} {{storylink|Stranger Eons}} {{storylink|Our Finest}}

During the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]], Omega served as the guardian of the subterranean [[Crystal City]], protecting a lone [[Titan (group)|Titan]] that lay slumbering beneath the city's foundations. When war erupted between the Cybertronians on the surface, Omega abstained from entering the conflict, holding true to his vigil. Eventually, a leader named [[Nova Prime]] brought the war to an end, and soon discovered Crystal City and Omega while searching for ways to bring peace and prosperity back to the planet. Approving of his goals, Omega allied with him and helped raise Crystal City back to the surface, but he did not entirely trust Nova and his plans to spread his influence to other worlds, and kept [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]]'s existence a secret. {{storylink|Primus: All Good Things|All Good Things}} During this time, Omega was an expert on metaphysics who would teach his fellow Cybertronians on the subject: [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] claimed to have studied under him, {{storylink|How Ratchet Got His Hands Back}} and he was likely the namesake of the thought experiment known as "Omega's Conundrum". {{storylink|Omega's Conundrum}} [[File:Monstructor and Omega Supreme Primus All Good Things.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4]] Eventually, Omega's caution proved warranted when [[Dai Atlas (Zone)|Dai Atlas]] alerted him to the fact that Nova Prime and his scientist [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] had created the horrific combiner, [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]]—the first step towards their goal of eliminating all free will. Omega attacked the beast and battled with it while Nova Prime and his followers departed on their mission of conquest aboard the first [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], and eventually subdued it. {{storylink|Primus: All Good Things|All Good Things}} {{storylink|Shockwaves}}

With Nova Prime's departure and the destruction of Crystal City, Omega Supreme handed the duty of guarding [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] over to Dai Atlas, {{storylink|Primus: All Good Things|All Good Things}} sealed Monstructor in a dimensionally-displaced prison, {{Storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}} and withdrew to the remote [[Grav-Haraan glacier]] to stand watch for Nova, intending to destroy him on his return. {{storylink|Primacy issue 3|Primacy #3}} Millions of years later he was discovered by [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] who, after proving to be [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] by his possession of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], told him Nova had been lost in space long ago. Relieved of his duties, Omega agreed to follow the new Matrix-bearer back to civilization. {{storylink|Primacy issue 1|Primacy #1}} He had trouble adapting to society after his years of solitary vigilance, however, and merely took on a similar role: silently guarding Optimus Prime's quarters. {{storylink|Primacy issue 2|Primacy #2}} When the Decepticons attacked Iacon, Optimus Prime ordered Omega Supreme into battle, and although he was hesitant to go to war against fellow Cybertronians, he complied after recognizing Optimus's potential for greatness and the Decepticons' similarities to Nova Prime. The Decepticons tried keep him from joining the battle with a strategic bombardment, {{storylink|Primacy issue 3|Primacy #3}} but he was saved by [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]]'s force field and went on to fight them. During the battle he took out the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]], preventing them from interfering with Optimus's battle with Megatron. {{storylink|Primacy issue 4|Primacy #4}}

At some point in the war, Omega Supreme left Cybertron behind and entered seclusion in a specially-shielded artificial asteroid within the [[Muta-Gaath Nebula]]. His existence remained known to the Transformers on Cybertron and he was nominally aligned with the Autobots, though in an advisory capacity, not participating in the combat itself. {{Storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}} When [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] threatened to destroy the planet, however, Omega joined the allied forces of the Autobots and Decepticons to stop him, alongside Optimus Prime, [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]], and [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 1|Stormbringer #1}}

[[File:Omega Supreme Spotlight Hardhead.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.3]]
Centuries later, Optimus Prime came to Omega's asteroid to consult the ancient sentinel on Nova Prime. It was while Optimus was present that Monstructor attacked, having at last escaped his imprisonment and seeking revenge against Omega. Informing Optimus of his history with Nova and Monstructor, Omega provided the Autobot leader with information on Monstructor's weak spot, enabling him to defeat the gestalt, though Prime condemned him for attempting to play god by simply locking them away. {{Storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}} Some time later, when the [[Dead Universe]] Transformers began attacking the Autobots, Omega confirmed the identities of [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]] for Jetfire, informing him that they too were members of Nova Prime's Ark crew. {{Storylink|Spotlight: Hardhead}}

[[File:Omega Arrives in AHM.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|RAAAAAIIIID?!]]
When Decepticons initiated a [[Surge (event)|galaxy-wide assault]] on all Autobot outposts, pushing their enemies to the brink of extinction, Omega Supreme was also targeted, but his power proved too much for the Decepticons to handle. Around a year after this "Surge", Omega followed a distress call sent by [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Hot Rod]] to Cybertron, arriving just in time to turn the tide of a battle between the Autobot survivors camped out on the planet and the feral [[Insecticon swarm]] stalking them. Apologizing for taking so long, Omega assumed his rocket mode at Optimus Prime's request, and ferried the Autobots to Earth for a confrontation with Megatron and the Decepticons. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 10|All Hail Megatron #10}} During the battle that followed in New York City, Omega engaged the new Decepticon combiner [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], {{Storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 11|All Hail Megatron #11}} moving their fight out to Liberty Island to minimize collateral damage. Notionally, that is—Omega won the bout when he pushed Devastator against the [[Statue of Liberty]] and took him out with a blast to the midsection, which also destroyed Lady Liberty. Whoops. {{Storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 12|All Hail Megatron #12}}

[[File:NewArrivalsOldEncounters OmegaSupreme.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Movieverse redesign: funky]]
Omega remained on Earth with the other Autobots during the two years that followed the New York battle, hiding out in a remote canyon in base mode. When Optimus Prime surrendered to the forces of [[Skywatch]] and Autobot leadership was divided between Hot Rod and Bumblebee, the two new leaders had different plans for Omega. Hot Rod approached him with the proposal that they use his rocket mode to get off the planet, but Omega refused, both because he lacked the fuel, and because he was insistent upon staying on Earth as long as Optimus Prime remained there. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 1: "New Arrivals, Old Encounters"|New Arrivals, Old Encounters}} Bumblebee then hid him from Skywatch by having him relocate to a cramped cave, which Omega—now too low on energon to even transform into base mode—found extremely uncomfortable. {{storylink|The Hanging Sword}} Omega was later present at the cave's opening when [[Gordon Horiuchi]] made a visit to repair Bumblebee's supposedly damaged killswitch board. {{storylink|The Gift Horse}} After Horiuchi's scheme to control the Autobots was thwarted with the help of [[Daniel Klonowski]], Omega Supreme was present when Bumblebee's new, more powerful body was unveiled. {{Storylink|Wings of Wax}}

A few months later after an alliance had been formed between the Autobots and Skywatch, the Decepticons returned to Earth and wrecked their headquarters, a Skywatch base. [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]] had the place evacuated and tried to regroup at Omega Supreme, still hiding in the desert. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 3: Woken Furies|Woken Furies}} After some trouble along the way, the Autobots reached their destination and made Omega's base mode their new headquarters. When Megatron let himself get captured, he was imprisoned inside Omega Supreme, who was ordered to transform and crush him in the process if he tried to escape. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 5: Enemy Mine|Enemy Mine}}

[[File:Omega Supreme rocket Chaos Theory 1.jpg|thumb|left|upright=2.3]]
When the Autobots learned that Cybertron had become habitable once again only for Galvatron to occupy it, they elected to return to their home planet on Omega Supreme. Charged up with whatever energy Skywatch could offer and a fuel cell invented by [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], Omega's rocket mode carried most of Optimus Prime's Autobots and the captive Megatron into space, while his base mode remained on Earth with Bumblebee. {{storylink|Space Opera—Final Tableaux: Orphans of the Helix|Orphans of the Helix}} {{storylink|Police Action: Prologue}} When Optimus Prime wanted to have a private chat with Megatron, Omega shut off the viewscreens to the room to prevent the other Autobots from peeping, and he also cut the power to the [[variable voltage harness]] when Optimus lost patience and almost killed Megatron with it. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 1|Chaos Theory #1}} {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 2|Chaos Theory #2}}

[[File:Omega Supreme Kings.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|right]]
Upon arriving at Cybertron, Omega Supreme was ordered to remain in orbit while the Autobots went down to the surface. {{storylink|Chaos Part One: Lamentations|Lamentations}} With Rodimus captaining him, he participated in the battle against Galvatron's weaponized [[Kimia Facility]], but when the Autobot air forces failed to damage it, he and Rodimus agreed that their only choice was for Omega to ram it. However, just as they were about to, Kimia suddenly exploded from internal sabotage, damaging Omega's rocket mode and forcing him to land on Cybertron. {{storylink|Chaos Part Two: Numbers|Numbers}} Unable to take off, he was easy prey for a [[Deceptigod|gigantic monster]] created out of Galvatron's entire army, which attacked and ripped the rocket in half. {{storylink|Chaos Part Three: Kings|Kings}} This caused pain to his other half on Earth, where he had to report to Bumblebee that their former ally [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] had fled the premises. {{storylink|Police Action Part 3: A Second Chance at Eden|A Second Chance at Eden}}

Omega's base and tank components continued to serve as the Earth-bound Autobots' headquarters. After Bumblebee managed to defeat all five Stunticons on his own, he had Ultra Magnus put his captives in one of Omega's prisoner holds. {{storylink|The Question}}

[[File:Omega Supreme on Cybertron The Autonomy Lesson.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.3]]
Once the Autobots had won the battle on Cybertron and abandoned Earth, Omega Supreme's rocket was repaired and the rest of him returned home as well. He was still recharging three weeks later and thus couldn't help put down a [[NAIL]] riot, forcing the Autobots to get the Decepticons' help instead. Rodimus wanted to use Omega in the search for the [[Knights of Cybertron]], but Bumblebee wouldn't let him. {{storylink|Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime|The Death of Optimus Prime}} [[Ironhide (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ironhide]] broke one of Omega's walls while returning from exploring Cybertron's hostile surface, but was assured that it'd grow back. {{storylink|The Autonomy Lesson (issue)|The Autonomy Lesson}}

[[File:Metalhawk and Omega Supreme Primus All Good Things.jpg|thumb|upright=1.0]]
When word reached Omega that [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]]—who had long since left Cybertron along with Dai Atlas–had returned and promptly died, he spoke to Metalhawk about what the Titan had said before he perished. The titan had dubbed [[Starscream (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Starscream]] the Cybertronian who would unite their race, calling many of Metalhawk's beliefs into question, and Omega concluded that the Titan's purpose had been to foster that sense of uncertainty to open the way for change. {{storylink|Primus: All Good Things|All Good Things}} Starscream approached him in a televised interview to ask if he had anything to add about the Titan's claims, but he refused to comment. Soon after their talk, a massive explosion struck Omega Supreme, nearly killing him and causing outrage among the public, who revered him as their ancient protector. With Omega on life support, the Autobots and neutrals blamed the Decepticons in general for the attack, while Starscream's own primary suspect was [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]]. {{storylink|The End of the Beginning of the World}} [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] drove past the defeated giant as he lay comatose in the streets where he'd fallen. {{storylink|The Verge}} The true culprit behind the attack later turned out to be a mind-controlled [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]], whose motive had been to eliminate the one Autobot capable of standing up to Megatron's new Devastator. {{storylink|Before the Dawn}} Eventually, all Autobots and Decepticons were exiled from Iacon by Starscream, who promised the Autobots that the NAILs would repair Omega Supreme before giving him the choice to either renounce the Autobot cause or join the others in exile. {{storylink|Second Exodus}}

[[File:Unicron6 Spirits of the Dead.jpg|thumb|upright=1.0|left]]
Six months later, Omega Supreme was still undergoing repairs in a facility alongside [[Superion (G1)|Superion]]. {{storylink|The World of Tomorrow}} He remained comatose through the [[Combiner Wars (event)|Combiner Wars]] and the ''next'' Decepticon uprising. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 2: Lagrange|Lagrange}}

When [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] attacked [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]], Bumblebee ventured inside the planet-eater and found a ruined Omega Sentinel. Convinced that the ancient guardians might have knowledge about the Chaos Bringer, the yellow minibot sought out Omega Supreme's comatose form. Though initially hoping to use [[Soundwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Soundwave]]'s telepathy and only having come to check on the ancient bot's state, Bumblebee somehow mind-melded with Omega Supreme. With the last of his strength, Omega imparted onto Bumblebee what knowledge he had on Unicron's past before he finally succumbed to his injuries and perished. {{storylink|Stranger Eons}}

When Soundwave utilized the [[Enigma of Combination]] to connect to the [[Transformer afterlife|Afterspark]], Omega Supreme appeared as one of the departed [[sparks]] that beckoned the Decepticon to join them while they sent their strength to Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Ceremony}}

===''Kre-O'' online comic===
[[File:KreO_OmegaSupreme.jpg|thumb|right|250px|]]
After being asked to by [[Megatron (Kre-O)|Megatron]], the [[Autobot]]s attacked the Decepticon Base and chased away [[Vortex (G1)#Kre-O|Vortex]]. In thanks, Megatron hosted a gathering in the base, which Omega Supreme attended. {{Storylink|A Reliable Warrior!? Vortex the Lookout from Hell}}
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===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe''===
According to [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s drawing of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s exile from Cybertron, Prime departed with help from Omega Supreme. {{storylink|Form Follows Function}} He later hid himself on Earth in the form of a road called "Highway Omega", only revealing himself once some [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joes]] were attacked by Decepticons and [[Cobra]] while driving on him. After taking out [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Viper]], Omega announced that he had heard the call to fight for his homeworld and transformed into rocket mode, returning to Cybertron and unintentionally bringing the Joes along. In space he ran into [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]], and the two old rivals fought until they crashed on Cybertron's surface where Omega was able to restrain his nemesis. {{storylink|Pax Megatronus}} He went on to participate in the joint Autobot-Joe assault on the Decepticon army. {{storylink|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe issue 12|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe #12}}

==Commercial appearances==
Starscream and Thrust happened upon the "Autobots' defense base" in the middle of a desert, unaware that the installation was really Omega Supreme in disguise. Omega Supreme rectified this by transforming and counter-attacking the two Decepticon jets. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Omega Supreme|Omega Supreme commercial}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Legends''===
Omega Supreme was once friends with the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] but they had a falling out of some sort. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme (Legends)|The Secret of Omega Supreme}}

Omega Supreme commanded a special escort mission tasked with protecting important cargo from a Decepticon strike force. {{storylink|Cold Delivery}} After the Decepticons coated themselves with [[Electrum]], Omega Supreme still thought he could crush them with superior firepower, but he was quickly proven wrong. {{storylink|The Golden Lagoon (Legends)|The Golden Lagoon}}

In the chaos following Optimus and Megatron's clash during a battle in Autobot City, Omega Supreme arrived with reinforcements, including [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. The newcomers were able to bring some order to the battle. {{storylink|The Omega Corps}}

Learning that the Constructicons were working on an asteroid, Omega Supreme rushed off to attack them and inadvertently released a huge space beast. After helping defend [[San Diego]] from the beast, Omega and his fellow Autobots took the surviving Constructicons into custody. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme (Legends)|The Secret of Omega Supreme}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[File:G1OmegaSupreme toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Little yellow clips: misplaced.]]
*'''Omega Supreme''' (1985)
**''Accessories:'' 2 small shields, 2 medium shields, 2 large shields, 4 armour halves (A, B, C, D), 4 ankle halves (E, F, G, H), 2 feet, backpack, 4 tracks (J, K, L, M)

:Omega Supreme transforms into three individual components simultaneously: a large rocket base, a rocket and a tank. Omega Supreme's "transformation" involves very little manipulation of his moving parts, in fact, the only part that transforms is his main body/tank. Instead, it is achieved by disassembling him into his component pieces, which are then put back together in a different configuration. The tank forms his main body, the rocket forms his forearms, the track makes up most of his legs, while the gantry forms his feet and backpack, with extra track parts forming wings. The torso features a battery-operated motor which propels the tank around the track as its turret spins and flashes with orange light, or allows Omega to walk (very slowly) forward in robot mode. This motor is extremely susceptible to failure.

:Omega Supreme was one of several toys licensed by [[Hasbro]] from a company other than [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]. In this case, and in common with [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]], Omega Supreme was licensed by a company called [[Toybox]]. As a consequence, Omega Supreme was never released in [[Japan]] under the ''Transformers'' brand during the original 1980s run.

:Normally it's not possible to have every part of the rails attached to him if one follows the instructions and animation model, but by arranging the "wings" into an "X" shape on his back, one can store all of his parts in robot mode.

::*''[http://www.transformerland.com/wiki/toy-info/transformers-g1-bases-omega-supreme/548/ Patent info, price guide, and further reading on Omega Supreme at Transformerland.com]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Autobot/OmegaSupreme/OmegaSupreme.htm More information on Omega Supreme at TFU.info]''
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[[File:G1-toy OmegaSpreem.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Identity: specious. Colors: [[Neon|abrasive]].]]
*'''Omega Spreem''' (Action Master Elite, 1991)
**''Accessories:'' Gun/treads

:As an [[Action Master Elite]], Omega Spreem is one of the few figures in the [[Action Master]] line that can actually transform to some extent, in this case transforming into a really awkward Cybertronian tank. A push-button on Omega's butt spins his upper body around, which in tank mode means the upper "turret" spins like a drill. Despite having a gun on the back of his head, there is not enough clearance for his head to fold down far enough to make it point forward in vehicle mode. Due to his "transformation," he is one of the most articulated Action Masters, featuring universal shoulder joints, a wrist bend, an upwards neck joint (though at the price of a sideways neck joint), and even a waist swivel, though it's pretty loose. He's also one of the few to use universal joints rather than the standard rubber bands in his hips, making him significantly more durable.

:Omega Spreem, as with the other Action Master Elites, was only released in Europe and Australasia.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1991/Autobot/OmegaSpreem/omegaspreem.htm More information on Omega Spreem at TFU.info]''
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===Encore===
*'''Omega Supreme''' (2008)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''9'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 small shields, 2 medium shields, 2 large shields, 4 armour halves (A, B, C, D), 4 ankle halves (E, F, G, H), 2 feet, backpack, 4 tracks (J, K, L, M)

:In June 2008, TakaraTomy released the toy for the first time in Japan as part of their ''[[Transformers Encore|Encore]]'' line. This new release was slightly [[retool]]ed to have a face (well, the top half of one) in the tank turret which becomes his head, although this ends up looking odd in [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]].

:This retooled version was later [[redeco]]ed as a [[Guardian robot]] (aka "GADEP"), available through the online [[e-HOBBY]] store.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Autobot/OmegaSupreme/OmegaSupreme.htm More information on ''Encore'' Omega Supreme at TFU.info]''
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===Kre-O===
*'''Kreon Class of '85''' (Kreon figure set, 2015)
**''Set number'' '''B5152'''
**''Voted'': The Athlete
:''[[Kre-O]]'' Omega Supreme is a small brick-built [[Kreon]] figure, using the 2015-style construction with the sturdier "peg-in-peg" torso/waist connection. His body [[tampograph]]s are heavily toy-based, but he has a cartoon-based face design. While he lacks wings, he has white clip-on tank treads, plus rather than normal Kreon hands, he has a big claw and a 1x1 cone-piece to replicate the original toy's rocket-part arms.

:He was only available as part of the [[San Diego Comic-Con]]-[[exclusive]] "[[Kreon Class of '85]]" 30-Kreon set. This set was also sold online through [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] after the show.
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===Generations===
====War for Cybertron: Siege====
[[File:WFC-Siege-WFCS29-Titan-Omega-Supreme.jpg|thumb|300px|Tax return: yet to arrive.]]
*'''Omega Supreme''' (Titan Class, [[2019]])
**''ID number'': '''WFCS-29'''
**''Accessories'': Micromaster [[Countdown (G1)#Generations|Countdown]], 6 "Fire Blast" pieces
:First shown by Hasbro as a grayscale prototype at New York Comic-Con 2018, ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege (toyline)|War for Cybertron: Siege]]'' Omega Supreme will be a new mold, coming with [[Countdown (G1)#Generations|Countdown]]. His size class in the line might be a holdover from the "Choose your titan" poll from [[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]].
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==Merchandise==
===Super Collection Figure===
[[File:HOC OmegaSupreme.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Mask: Required wearing. Face: OH GOD NO]]
*'''Omega Supreme''' (2001)

:A three-inch tall [[plastic|PVC]] figurine of Omega Supreme was available in "Act 5" of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s ''[[Heroes of Cybertron|Super Collection Figure]]'' line (which, oddly, centered around ''[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (franchise)|Super-God Masterforce]]'', a series which Omega Supreme was not part of). Like all the figures in the wave, it was available as both a standard full color figure and a metallic silver "pewter" version, one of each of which was available in a standard case of twelve [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] figures. Additionally, in eight out of every ten cases, the pewter version of Omega Supreme came packaged with the left leg of the [[Scorponok (G1)|BlackZarak]] collectable "build-a-figure".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/HoCOmegaSupreme/omegasupreme.htm More information on ''Super Collection Figure'' Omega Supreme at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Cybertron/PewterOmegaSupreme/omegasupreme.htm More information on pewter Omega Supreme at TFU.info]''

===Heroes of Cybertron===
*'''Omega Supreme''' (2003)

:Omega Supreme's ''Super Collection Figure'' PVC was released two years later by [[Hasbro]] as part of their ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'' line. Like all the figures in the series, Omega was given a [[light-piping]] gimmick by being cast entirely in translucent blue plastic then painted everywhere except on his eyes and the back of his head. Part of the fifth and final wave of ''Heroes of Cybertron'', Omega was, unlike the Japanese figure, sold on an individual blister card and came packaged with the torso of the [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] "build-a-figure".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/HoCOmegaSupreme/omegasupreme.htm More information on ''Heroes of Cybertron'' Omega Supreme at TFU.info]''
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===Diamond Select===
[[File:Ark Globe.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Appearance: cameo. Residuals: minimal.]]
*'''Autobot Snow Globe''' (2007)

:Omega Supreme appears as part of the base of this snow globe, sculpted by [[Art Asylum]] and sold by [[Diamond Select Toys]].
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[[File:Omega statue.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Pose: [[Pat Lee#Transformers by Dreamwave|Dreamwave]]. Knees: buckling.]]
*'''Omega Supreme Statue''' (2008)

:Omega Supreme was released as a statue in 2008 by Diamond Select Toys. He was sculpted by Mark Wong of Art Asylum and limited to 1,000 pieces.
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==Notes==
===Toy origins===
[[File:ToyboxMechabot-1.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Repaint: [[Black repaint|black]].]]
*Unlike the bulk of early Transformers that drew their molds from [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s ''[[Diaclone]]'' and ''[[Micro Change|Microchange]]'' toys, Omega Supreme's original form was "[http://1501bc.com/pretf/mechabot.html Super Change Robo Mechabot-1]", produced by a company called [[Toybox]]. Toybox did not actually design Omega Supreme, instead commissioning his design, along with [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]], from Takara's then-rival Tomy. As mentioned above, he was not released in [[Japan]] under the ''Transformers'' brand during the original 1980s run. As a result of the merger of Takara and Tomy in 2006, the merged company was able to release the figure under the ''Transformers'' brand for the first time in Japan, as part of the ''Encore'' line.
*Similar to [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Notes|Shockwave]] and his [[pre-Transformer]] predecessor "Astro Magnum", Omega Supreme/Mechabot-1 also saw a plethora of licensed versions released in various international (in his case, all of them European) markets concurrently with Hasbro's Transformers version, during a weird transitional phase when different companies' versions were influencing each other. Overall, there are two main color variants: Toybox's Mechabot-1 colors and Hasbro's Omega Supreme colors.<ref name="mechabot-1">[http://soundwavesoblivion.blogspot.de/2015/03/grandstand-convertors-omegatron.html "Grandstand Convertors: Omegatron, Mechabot-1 & Omega Supreme"] at the Soundwave's Oblivion blog.</ref> Due to these licensed releases, Omega Supreme was not released as part of Hasbro's ''Transformers'' line in these markets.
**In the United Kingdom, a company named Grandstand released the figure in its original "Mechabot-1" colors as part of its ''Convertors'' line, under the name "Omegatron".
**In Germany, a company named GAMA releasd the figure in its original "Mechabot-1" colors under the name "Trans Robot". The overall packaging design was the same one also used for Grandstand's "Omegatron" (down to the photos used), but the "Trans Robot" logo took some very obvious cues from Hasbro's "Transformers" logo. Additionally, the tank's long barrel was crudely cut off and replaced by a new radar dish accessory, presumably because German kids at the time weren't supposed to play with war toys.
**In Italy, [[GiG]] released the figure in its Hasbro colors as part of their ''[[Trasformer]]'' {{sic}} line, under the name "Megarobot". The packaging design was directly based on Hasbro's packaging for Omega Supreme, the only GiG ''Trasformer'' release without the official ''Transformers'' branding to do so.
**Lastly, in France, a company named [[Orli Jouet]] released the figure in its Hasbro colors as part of a line named "Robotrack", under the name "Mecabot". Like with GiG's "Megarobot", the packaging design was directly based on Hasbro's packaging for Omega Supreme; what's more, the toy was actually manufactured in Italy, possibly as part of a partnership with GiG, and on top of that, the official TV commercial for the figure actually ''used footage from Hasbro's ''Transformers'' commercial for Omega Supreme!''<ref name="robotrack">[http://www.ina.fr/pub/culture-et-loisirs/video/PUB3784054071/robotrack-orli-jouets-jeu.fr.html Robotrack Mecabot commercial]</ref>

===Other===
*According to [[Bob Budiansky]]'s notes at [[BotCon 2010]],<ref>[http://www.allspark.com/index.php?full=1&set_albumName=BotCon_2010_Sat_Panels&id=DSC05237&option=com_gallery&Itemid=4&include=view_photo.php Bob Budiansky's notes at BotCon 2010]</ref> Omega Supreme was originally going to be named '''[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]'''. Why the name changed is uncertain, but since it was later applied to [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] in the [[The Planet-Eater!|Marvel adaptation]] of the ''[[The Transformers: The Movie|Transformers]]'' movie before being used on the Headmaster, it seems someone ''really'' wanted to use it.
*Omega Supreme's name could be translated as "Last of the Best"; given his role as the "last line of defense", this is appropriate.
*In the cartoon, Omega Supreme can launch his rocket into space, leaving the remaining parts behind at his launch base, and then transform fully back to [[robot mode]] even though the majority of his body parts are separated from the rocket by a good planetary diameter or two (if not several light years). Indeed, sometimes his base mode is seen to be inexplicably awaiting his rocket mode at his destination, leading some to speculate that Omega (rather implausibly) has duplicate body parts on some other planets, "just in case". Some [[fanon]] alternatively holds that in cases such as these, Omega's non-rocket parts actually use [[Size changing|size-changing technology]] to shrink down and travel as cargo inside his rocket mode, which are then disgorged and enlarged before landing. Another theory is that the base is transported to [[Transwarp|subspace]], as some believe happens with Optimus Prime's trailer. Whatever helps you sleep at night...
*Although over half of the episodes from the Generation 1 cartoon featuring Omega were written by [[David Wise]] (including his showcase episode, "The Secret of Omega Supreme"), don't let that fool you into thinking Wise had a soft spot for Omega—he really didn't like him! In fact, the uncharacteristic eloquence displayed by Omega in "Secret" was actually a script error by Wise, who was unaware of Omega's trademark speech pattern and wrote the episode with normal dialogue. Script editors had to add in lines about Omega being able to talk normally when he wanted to make it work without a wholesale rewrite.<ref>[http://moonbase2.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=553015 Moonbase 2 interview with David Wise]</ref>
[[File:JoemegaSupreme.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Declarative: YO JOE!]]
*At JoeCon 2011, Hasbro's [[Rik Alvarez]] hosted a "Treasures from the Hasbro Archives" panel, where he revealed that he had then-recently found a box in the company archives containing an assortment of artwork, concept boards, and proposals for what "could have been" in a series of Transformers/[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]] crossovers. Of these concepts, the only one shown at the panel were parts of an Omega Supreme that had been redecoed and intended for release in the G.I. Joe toyline (this was later shown again at [[BotCon 2011]], though no photos were allowed then). Whether these redecoed parts were intended for use as a "crossover" G.I. Joe/Transformers character or as a non-living G.I. Joe vehicle was unsaid.
*According to the [[Letters page (Marvel UK)|letters page]] of Marvel UK issue #285, "[[External Forces!]]", Omega is tougher than a "block of triple-strength [[durabyllium]] steel."
*"Omega Spreem" (the name of Omega Supreme's Action Master Elite form) is actually one possible transliteration of the Katakana (a Japanese syllabary used for foreign words and names) spelling of "Omega Supreme", suggesting that the name could possibly have resulted from the name "Omega Supreme" [[Engrish|going from English to Japanese, and then back to English again]]. ''Why'' it would have gone through this rigmarole, however, is unknown. The ''[[Transformers Vault]]'' book reveals more details for how this might have happened, without really ''explaining'' it: The design artwork for an unreleased standard (i.e. not Elite) [[Action Master]] version of Omega Supreme has his name (correctly spelled) written quite large on the top of the sheet in big black marker. However, there's also an illustrator's note written in very small pen/pencil next to the toy's design artwork, which misspells the character's name as "Omega Spreem", despite the correct spelling being in giant text directly above it (though to be fair, it's possible that the black marker text was added after the fact). When the toy was released, for ''some'' reason Hasbro used the "Omega Spreem" spelling. Hasbro UK moves in mysterious ways indeed.
* Like all non-toy robot Kreons in these ''Kre-O'' online manga, Omega Supreme is made from existing Kre-O parts. His exact construction is mostly concealed, but like [[Strika (BM)|''Kre-O'' Strika]] he uses the diver helmet from ''Kre-O'' Battleship.
*In [[2015]], Hasbro started a poll on their Facebook page on which of [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]], and Omega Supreme fans would want as the next Titan Class figure in the Generations line. [[Trypticon (G1)#Generations|Trypticon]] won.
*Omega Supreme's voice in the cartoon is a combination of a downwards pitch shift and short delay, the echo effect in particular making his voice more "cavernous" sounding. Well, he is big.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Omega Supreme''' (オメガ・スプリーム ''Omega Supurīmu'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Szuper Omega'''
*''Italian:'' '''Megarobot'''
*''Mandarin:'' '''Omega''' (Taiwan, 奧米加 ''Àomǐjiā''), '''Dàlì Jīngāng''' (China, 大力金刚, "Powerful Vajra")
*''Russian:'' '''Omegator''' (Омегатор)
*''Ukrainian:'' '''Omega Velychnyi''' (Омега Величний "Omega Grand")

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/japanese-hobby-magazine-scans-for-january-2008-164116/ Interview with Junichi Ishikawa, who was in charge of designing Omega Supreme and Sky Lynx at Tomy, detailing the story of how their Encore reissues came to be.]

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Megatron (RID)

2019-03-28T03:49:48Z

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{{Disambigm|Gigatron (disambiguation)|Megatron (disambiguation)|Galvatron (disambiguation)}}
:''Megatron is a [[Predacon (RID)|Predacon]] originally from the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|2001 Robots in Disguise]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:RIDMegatronGrippy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Let's see, I conquered Care-a-lot, Sesame Street, Shining Time Station, that planet Gumby came from...]]
'''Megatron''' (aka '''Gigatron''') is the leader of the [[Predacon (RID)|Predacons]] with the ability to take on [[Six Changer|six forms]]. He claims to have decimated numerous planets during his campaign for Predacon supremacy before coming to [[Earth]] in search of the megaweapon [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|Fortress Maximus]]. He appears to have come into conflict with [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] and his [[Autobot]]s numerous times before.

Although Megatron is a great and powerful warrior, he typically leaves the fighting to his Predacon lackeys, such as [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]], preferring to stalk around his headquarters the [[Megastar]] and berate his underlings when they inevitably fail. Upon his conversion to '''Galvatron''' (aka '''Devil Gigatron'''), he is a ''lot'' more active and effective, able to change into ''ten'' forms. His primary attack seems to be his [[Cutter Beam]] technique. As Galvatron, he can increase his power by draining the life energy of other beings!<ref>[[Bio]] in the R2 DVD.</ref>

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====2001 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Daniel Riordan]] (English), [[Yōichi Kobiyama]] (Japanese)|[[Oleg Kutsenko]] (Russian), [[Byeong-gwan Kim]] (Korean), [[Luiz Carlos Persy]] (Brazilian Portuguese), [[Gerardo Vásquez]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Giorgio Locuratolo]] (Italian)}}

[[File:Megatron hand.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|''He wants the whole world, in his hand...'']]
Megatron arrived on Earth in search of Fortress Maximus by orders of the [[Predacon Council]] {{storylink|Surprise Attack!}} with a cover story of plundering Earth's energy. His first appearance was at the International Scientific Symposium in [[New York City|New York]], during which he and the Predacon trio fought [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] and the [[Autobot Brothers]]. Although the battle did not go well, Megatron was able to abduct [[Kenneth Onishi|Doctor Kenneth Onishi]], an energy expert and archaeologist. {{storylink|Battle Protocol!}} Doctor Onishi was subjected to the [[psycho-probe]] which was proving to be slow work in extracting information. In the meantime, Megatron sent his minions out to steal energy to refuel the ''Megastar'', only occasionally venturing out himself to help them. He would often bemoan the Predacons' predicament, and wished that he could simply bully the humans into handing over their energy supply.

The first energy-gathering mission that Megatron assigned to [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] was the retrieval of a bomb hidden within a XC-12 model red sports car, planted there by a group of terrorists. Sky-Byte failed Megatron in this assignment. {{storylink|An Explosive Situation}} Megatron was next seen when he caught his troops out and about attempting to destroy the [[Linear RFG]] without orders to do so. After briefly berating his troops, he opened fire on Optimus Prime. [[Team Bullet Train]] then joined the Autobots, and attempted to retaliate against the Predacon leader. Their attacks were easily brushed away, however. As [[Rail Racer (RID)|Rail Racer]], the trains gained the speed and power necessary to drive Megatron off, who sped away in his jet mode. {{storylink|Bullet Train to the Rescue}}

Megatron then orchestrated a plot to steal a [[Plutonium Energy Generator]] as it was being escorted by the Autobots across the city. Halfway through the mission, Gas Skunk, Slapper, and Dark Scream ran into trouble, as they were unable to fend off the Spy Changers. Megatron sent Sky-Byte into the field to assist his troops. Although at first it seemed that the Predacons returned to base successfully, it turned out that the Spy Changers had somehow managed to swap out the real Energy Generator with a decoy. Infuriated, Megatron declared that he would turn his incompetent toadies into scrap. {{storylink|Spychangers to the Rescue}}

Next, Megatron sought to activate the [[Black Pyramid]], an ancient ruin which he boasted he had known about long before the humans. The power-generating matrix chamber within was to be Megatron’s next target in his quest for energy. As the Predacons prepared to tap into the Black Pyramid’s power, a ship entered the area. Fearing that it would draw the Autobots’ attention, Megatron ordered Sky-Byte to take it out before it got any closer. Of course, attacking the ship did nothing but bring the Autobots onto the scene faster. As the Predacon’s mission went south, Megatron decided to destroy the Black Pyramid rather than allow it to fall into anybody else’s hands, then fled. {{storylink|The Hunt for Black Pyramid}}

Attempting to provide a distraction for Sky-Byte's mission to some ruins, Megatron and the Predacon trio attacked [[Metro City]], fighting [[Team Bullet Train]]. {{storylink|The Secret of the Ruins}} Another plan to trap Optimus Prime started off well — Megatron disguising himself as a red sports car proved to be an effective method to trap the Autobot [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] and they were soon able to trap Optimus as well. Megatron took great pleasure in punishing the Autobot leader until the rest of the Autobots mounted a rescue and the Predacons were forced to flee. {{storylink|Sideburn's Obsession}}

[[File:Explosive Situation Angry Megatron.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|I DO NOT NEED ANGER MANAGEMENT!]]
With little information forthcoming from the psycho-probing of Doctor Onishi, the Predacons stole a disk left by the doctor, leading them to attack a steam train under the mistaken assumption it was a weapon of some sort. This did not help Megatron's temper. {{storylink|Secret Weapon: D-5}} Nor did the destruction of his [[Mega-Laser Cannon]] by the Autobots. {{storylink|Mirage's Betrayal}} In an attempt to destroy their foe, Megatron and Sky-Byte entered the International Grand Prix which the Autobots had also entered in an attempt to find one of their number who'd gone rogue. Megatron managed to trap Optimus and the three brothers under a huge rock, but the rogue Autobot, [[Skid-Z (RID)|Skid-Z]], turned up in time to rescue them and Megatron was sent packing. {{storylink|Skid Z's Choice}}

In the middle of yet another one of the Predacons' harebrained schemes, Megatron checked up on Sky-Byte to see if his plan to brainwash Tow-Line was going smoothly. He and Sky-Byte came upon the Autobots as the now clear-headed Tow-Line was rescuing the Autobots he had been tricked into taking captive. Attempting the salvage the scheme, Megatron faced off against [[Rapid Run (RID)|Rapid Run]]. Megatron's Mega Sword wound up not being a match for Rapid Run's Deflector Shield, and the Predacon leader was forced to fly off. {{storylink|Tow-Line Goes Haywire}}

On one of Megatron's many attempts to glean secrets from Doctor Onishi's mind using the psycho-probe, he uncovered images of a "[[Cave of the Dragon]]". Coincidently, Gas Skunk caught footage on one of the base's monitor about a movie taking place within the same cave. The Predacon misinterpreted what he saw as footage of an "ultimate robot warrior", capable of transforming into a dragon, and so informed his leader about his discovery. Intrigued about this "transformer" the humans had hidden away on their planet, Megatron sent out his troops to convince this potential "champion of the Predacons" to join his crew. Slapper’s later report that the Autobots “knew” about the transforming statue only cemented Megatron’s desire to acquire the statue. In reality, there was no robot warrior, only a bunch of flashy special effects for a movie being filmed at the cave. {{storylink|The Ultimate Robot Warrior}}

Despite Megatron's numerous defeats, the Autobots considered him “just as dangerous as ever." They also [[Stock footage|somehow]] [[Clip show|acquired]] footage of Megatron's point of view... {{storylink|Hope for the Future}}

[[File:Commandos Megatron.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|"Are you saying that there's [[Megatron (Movie)|a Decepticon who stole my name, crash-landed here and got frozen a hundred years ago and is secretly being hidden inside this dam while humans steal his technology for themselves]]? DO YOU REALIZE HOW STUPID THAT SOUNDS?!]]
After several more failed missions, the interrogation of Dr. Onishi finally saw results in the discovery of a crashed Autobot spaceship in America. Megatron was able to snatch six protoforms from the ship and took them to the nearby McKinley Army Base where he imbued them with energy from his spark and gave them new forms as Decepticons. {{storylink|The Decepticons}} Eager to test his new troops, he sent them to destroy Sherman Dam and hacked into the primitive human television transmissions in order to extort the humans in the nearby city of [[Los Bogus]] into surrendering. Unfortunately, things did not go well and Megatron was left looking embarrassed in front of all the humans. {{storylink|Commandos}} Megatron largely stayed back at base after these incidents.

Megatron supervised the Commandos' plan to find the Autobots' base by sending Movor out into orbit. His patience began to wear thin when he realized that the results of this plan wouldn't be immediate. Ultimately, the plan would yield no results whatsoever, as Movor came crashing down to Earth before he yielded any useful information. {{storylink|Attack from Outer Space}} The next plan that Megatron orchestrated involved having the Decepticons pretend they had turned over a new leaf, in order to infiltrate the Autobots and discover the secret location of their base. Megatron went so far as to keep Sky-Byte in the dark, so that he would clash with his rivals, making the act look that much more genuine. But the Decepticons’ track record remained as bad as it always had been. The Decepticons' ruse fell through, and the base’s location continued to elude Megatron. {{storylink|The Test (episode)|The Test}} Tired of Sky-Byte's incompetence, Megatron ordered Sky-Byte to listen to whatever Scourge said from now on, while the much more reliable Decepticon spearheaded energy raids. Sky-Byte, being Sky-Byte, did the exact opposite of what he was told in a misguided attempt to mend his tarnished reputation. Three separate attacks on three separate power plants were thus botched. Megatron assigned Sky-Byte the unappealing task of cleaning out the base's Energon Smelters as punishment. {{storylink|The Fish Test}}

The Commandos were able to sabotage the Autobot [[Global Space Bridge]]. With the Autobots unable to reach specific destinations, Megatron and Scourge attacked an energy facility near the North Pole. Unfortunately for them, the Autobots were able to get the space bridge repaired in time for Megatron to be seen off by [[Landfill (RID)|Landfill]]. {{storylink|Landfill (episode)|Landfill}}

Unexpectedly, Megatron heard some good news pertaining to Sky-Byte for once. Sky-Byte, Slapper, Gas Skunk, and Dark Scream had managed to take all the humans attending the opening of the [[CGA Tower]] hostage, and had negotiated their release in exchange of the [[O-Part]]s in the Autobots' position. Megatron nonetheless felt the need to send Scourge to actually retrieve the O-parts. Ironically, for once Sky-Byte might have pleased Megatron... if not for the fact that Scourge forestalling the exchange meant that Sky-Byte got caught up in being called a hero, and forgot to actually acquire the O-parts. Oops. {{storylink|Sky-Byte Saves the Day}}

When the Commandos reported that Rail Racer and the [[Build Team (RID)|Build Team]] had thwarted the Commandos' latest heist, Megatron uncharacteristically plainly stated that he was disappointed instead of blowing a gasket, as he usually would. {{storylink|A Test of Metal}}

[[File:Forced Fusion Megatron Ruination.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Dragon-back rides were the hit of the fair!]]
Megatron was especially interested in the arrival of a new Autobot, [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Ultra Magnus]], who had an intense rivalry with Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus (episode)|Ultra Magnus}} After Magnus badly damaged Prime in a fight, causing the latter to retreat to an island to recuperate, Megatron saw his chance and personally led the attack on Optimus Prime. The attack might have succeeded if it weren't for the arrival of Ultra Magnus, who merged with Optimus to form the powerful [[Omega Prime]]. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus: Forced Fusion!}}

After the capture of the three Autobot brothers, Megatron again ventured out and was able to successfully fight Optimus, who was unwilling to fight back while the three brothers were under threat. Even after the brothers were freed, Megatron attempted to stomp the trio, only to have them fight back after they supercharged under the influence of mysterious energy channelled through Ultra Magnus. {{storylink|The Two Faces of Ultra Magnus}} Despite a previous attempt at making Ultra Magnus join the Decepticons having ended in total failure, Megatron allowed Scourge a second attempt at convincing the Autobot in joining the forces of evil. Though Ultra Magnus remained steadfast in his allegiance to the Autobots, Scourge plan resulted in Ultra Magnus and Optimus Prime being led to an isolated area, where both the Decepticons and the Predacons were granted free reign to pummel the brothers. Though Megatron's forces dealt their fair share of punishment onto the Autobots, Ultra Magnus was able to put aside his and Optimus's differences aside once more, and the pair combined into Omega Prime. Megatron fled as Omega Prime overwhelmed the entirety of his forces. {{storylink|Power to Burn!}}

Megatron watched archival footage of Ultra Magnus with his troops in order to get a better understanding of his newly arrived enemy. {{storylink|Mystery of the Ultra Magnus}}

Finally, information obtained from Dr. Onishi led the Decepticons to discover the location of Fortress Maximus and the fulfilling of Megatron's quest. {{storylink|Fortress Maximus (episode)|Fortress Maximus}} However, the Autobots hid Fortress Maximus, and Doctor Onishi escape from the Predacons' grasp. (In other words, Sky-Byte screwed up again...) Megatron was undeterred nonetheless, and officially had the Predacons and Decepticons join together as a single group, as per Scourge's suggestion. {{storylink|Koji Gets His Wish}} Megatron also had his men try to track down the rest of the [[O-Part]]s. The Autobots again got there first, but Megatron was able to take [[Wedge (RID)|Wedge]] hostage, offering him back in exchange for the O-Parts. The exchange was ruined by Sky-Byte, which didn't exactly endear the Predacon to his master. {{storylink|A Friendly Contest}}

[[File:Peril from the Past Galvatron.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Arise, Chooktimus Prime]]
The Decepticons subsequently tracked the Autobots to the [[Sahara|Sahara Desert]], Megatron leading the mission himself. By the time they caught up to the Autobots, Optimus had already located the [[Orb of Sigma]], the key to finding Fortress Maximus' commanding entity [[Cerebros (RID)|Cerebros]], in a deep cavern. Megatron attempted to take the Orb, but was caught in a booby trap which seized him in a powerful energy field. Soon he and Optimus were locked in combat, resulting in Megatron disappearing in the collapsing cavern. In the aftermath, the three beast Predacons pulled themselves out of the rubble, only to have their energy drained. Megatron was back with a new form and name—Galvatron. {{storylink|Peril from the Past}}

[[File:Maximus Emerges Skybytegalvatron.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|...wait, that's ''proper [[scale]]''. What are they playing at in Japan?!]]
Galvatron rejoined his troops as Scourge attempted to take control of Fortress Maximus in the heart of Metro City. He proclaimed Megatron dead and he himself to be an entirely new person. Though the attempt to control Fortress Maximus was unsuccessful, Galvatron seized Cerebros during the retreat. {{storylink|Maximus Emerges}} Enraged by the complications involved in controlling Fortress Maximus, Galvatron ordered Scourge to continue researching Cerebros's circuits in order to bypass their current setback. Scourge discovered that Fortress Maximus was programmed to recognized human bio-signatures, and was marginally more successful in controlling the giant Autobot on a second go at it... But the attempt proved once more unsuccessful when Dr. Onishi brought in a thousand Earth children to overpower Scourge's own bio-signature. Galvatron made a brief appearance on the battlefield to seize Cerebros once more before retreating with his troops. {{storylink|The Human Element}}

This led to the Decepticons trying to capture [[Koji Onishi]], the Autobots' pet human. Instead they got hold of Koji's friend [[Carl (RID)|Carl]], but Galvatron accompanied Scourge and Sky-Byte to Maximus's location nevertheless. Once Carl had taken control of the titan, Scourge turned on his master, ordering Carl to destroy Galvatron. With the coup a failure, Galvatron stunned his minion and retreated. {{storylink|Mistaken Identity}}

Galvatron used one of his new abilities to seize the traitorous Decepticons in an energy field and forcibly reprogram them to serve him. Placing them under the command of Sky-Byte, he then sent them to attack the Autobot base. Although the Decepticons and Predacons were led into a trap by the Autobots, Galvatron brought the ''Megastar'' to the battle, growing in size to join with the battle station as its right hand. After Fortress Maximus destroyed the battle station, Galvatron fell, apparently lifeless, to the ground. {{storylink|Surprise Attack!}} Not finished yet, Galvatron used his new vampiric powers to drain energy from Maximus. When confronted by Omega Prime, Galvatron demonstrated another new ability, releasing from his mouth thousands of [[cyber-bat]]s which took control of Earth's children. The Autobots were forced to call a retreat.

[[File:The Final Battle Omegagalvatron.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Have at thee!]]
Galvatron sent his Decepticon forces in after the Autobots, intending to kill two birds with one stone—he used his [[Mega Sword|Striker Lance]] to rupture the wall of the Global Space Bridge, flooding it with lava. {{storylink|Galvatron's Revenge}} The Autobots soon escaped, but Galvatron was able to swiftly seize them in an energy field, only losing Optimus Prime when the other Autobots shielded their leader from Galvatron's energies. Optimus and Ultra Magnus again combined into Omega Prime to confront Galvatron, leading him through the space bridge to [[Earth's core]] for a final confrontation.

When [[Omega Prime]] used the [[Matrix Blade]] to destroy Galvatron's Striker Lance, the resulting explosion (and apparent release of Galvatron's absorbed energies) was enough to defeat the villain. He was last seen being exiled to the [[asteroid prison colony]], swearing that he would return to seek revenge. {{storylink|The Final Battle (RID)|The Final Battle}}
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====Ultra Magnus...to the Rescue?====
[[File:DWSummerspecial RID Autobrothers Megs.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Megatron's seventh "Ugly Drawing" mode was impossible to hold back.]]
Annoyed at the Predacons' inability to steal energy, Megatron ordered Scourge and Sky-Byte to undertake a joint operation to an energy research facility in [[Arizona]], while he and several of the other Decepticons kept the Autobots busy. Megatron was soon struggling with the Autobot Brothers in [[Oregon]]. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus...to the Rescue?}}
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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
{{note|To avoid confusion with ''Generation 1'' Megatron and Galvatron, "Gigatron" and "Devil Gigatron" will be used to refer to the character.}}
=====''Car Robots'' catalog=====
Gigatron and his Predacons arrived on Earth in the year 2000 via a dimensional rift. They were pursued by Fire Convoy and his [[Dimensional Patrol]].

=====''Kiss Players Position''=====
[[Shaoshao Li]] time-traveled the year [[2000]] to acquire Fire Convoy's piece of the [[Transformer afterlife|Allspark]] (in reality [[Angolmois|Unicron's lifeforce]]) while Fire Convoy [[Battle Protocol!|was battling]] Gigatron in New York City. Shortly thereafter, [[Primus|a golden hand]] snatched away the Allspark fragment. {{storylink|Transformers: Kiss Players (radio drama)#Weekly Kiss Players Position shows|Kiss Players radio drama #47}}

=====''Legends''/''Unite Warriors''=====
[[File:BlackConvoyPrologue DevilGigatronSkids.jpg|upright=1.0|thumb|]]

Having escaped from Autobot captivity, Scourge sought to return and break Devil Gigatron out of jail as well, believing he would need his leader's power to reach his own selfish goals. To this end he recruited the dimensionally-displaced Sky-Byte from the [[Legends Universe]], and together the two set out to free Gigatron. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Scourge)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}}

While in the process of reformatting the [[Commando (RID)|Commandos]] back to their original programming, the Autobots of the post-[[Cybertron Alliance]] era explained how they were corrupted by Gigatron and his Predacons. {{storylink|Ruination Chapter, Part One}}

After escaping captivity, the Commandos joined up with Scourge and Sky-Byte on their quest to rescue Devil Gigatron. They convened in a bath house to discuss their strategy, though Scourge was annoyed to find the team was more interested in bathing than planning. {{storylink|Unite Warriors Offshot#Strategy Meeting in an Earth Bath?!|Strategy Meeting in an Earth Bath?!}}

Scourge's group eventually reached Devil Gigatron inside [[Neo Brave Maximus]] where he was held, only to find that he refused to be rescued. He explained that upon learning of the extradimensional threats the Dimensional Patrol protected them all against, he had decided to give up on his evil ambitions, rekindle his old friendship with Fire Convoy, and join the Patrol in defending the universe. Determined to remain evil, Scourge refused to do the same and attacked Gigatron to absorb the power in his [[spark]]. In return, Gigatron used his Devil Ostrich mode to extract the evil he once infused Scourge with, reverting him to a heroic [[protoform]]. {{storylink|LGEX Scourge Prologue}}

=====Spacewarp's Log=====
One version of Devil Gigatron ended up at [[Garrus-7]] after his defeat, where he was kept securely under lock. Unfortunately, the very protocols that kept Gigatron from getting out were tiresome and irritating to the dissatisfied [[Autobot]] warden, [[Armored Corps]]. Striking when the iron was hot, Gigatron managed to lure Armored Corps over to his philosophy, along with [[Stealth Saber]], [[Victory Bomber]], and the [[Scoutforce]]. Even then, it proved impossible to break out, so Gigatron sent Stealth Saber and Victory Bomber to the [[Dark Nebula]], where they were able to successful convince [[Devil Z]] to assist. With the god's power, Devil Gigatron was upgraded to Gigatron Z, and the Predacon was able to bust out of Garrus-7 and lead his new Predacon crew on a swath of destruction across the universe. Perhaps unsurprisingly, he faced against his nemesis, [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Fire Convoy]], again. [[Spacewarp]] presumed that the Predacons were defeated as Armored Corps wound up in [[Axiom Nexus]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Spacewarp's Log (1), 2015/10/27}}

===Air Attack Optimus Primal===
[[File:MegatronMegabolt.jpg|125px|thumb]]
On 21st century Earth in [[Viron 102.0 Beta]], Galvatron offered [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]], who had came from the future, refuge aboard his ship, the ''[[Megastar]]'', in exchange for a body upgrade. By Cryotek's hand, the Predacon leader become "Megatron Megabolt". {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/30}} This "[[Emissary (RID)|emissary]] mode" was designed to combine with both [[Megastar|his space cruiser]] and the Autobots' [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|secret defense fortress]]. In a show of arrogance, Megatron also began calling himself a Decepticon.<ref>Megatron Megabolt on-package bio [http://tftechspecs.com/pics1/11664.jpg (scan at TFTechSpecs.com)]</ref> {{storylink|#Megabolt|Megatron Megabolt toy bio}} Megatron thusly took control of Fortress Maximus, becoming Megabolt Maximus. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/30}} However, Autobot leader Optimus Prime received assistance from [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] the Protector. {{storylink|Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Robots in Disguise (2001)|Air Attack Optimus Primal toy bio}} In the tough battle that ensued, Optimus Prime and Optimus Primal fought against Megatron and Cryotek and emerged victorious. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/30}}
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===''Lil Formers''===
Megatron went over all the different modes he could change into, including a cheese grater, a socket wrench, and a bocce ball set. {{storylink|Lil Formers}}

===''Universe'' toy bios===
Megatron did not trust [[Bruticus (RID)|Bruticus]] to do more than act as a guard, but Bruticus was content to serve in the dungeons beneath the Predacon leader's headquarters. {{storylink|Bruticus (RID)#Universe (2008)|''Universe'' Bruticus toy bio}}

===IDW 2005 continuity===
[[File:EmpireofStone2 Gigatron.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]

During the war, Gigatron learned from [[Drift (G1)|Deadlock]] and [[Turmoil]] that an [[Stone Army|army of stone soldiers]] was hidden on an obscure planet, though [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] saw no use for it at the time. Centuries later, refusing to accept that the war had ended, he returned to absorb the army into his forces, but couldn't find it. {{storylink|Drift - Empire of Stone issue 2|Empire of Stone #2}} Fortunately, Deadlock—having defected and changed his name to Drift—also arrived on the planet, where he was captured and brought before Gigatron. {{storylink|Drift - Empire of Stone issue 1|Empire of Stone #1}} Gigatron convinced the former Decepticon to lead him to the Stone Army in exchange for freeing his friend [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]], but went back on his word on the advice of Hellbat. When the captives then tried to escape, he lost his temper, cut off their escape route and would have killed them on the spot if Hellbat hadn't again intervened, convincing him to imprison them instead. {{storylink|Drift - Empire of Stone issue 2|Empire of Stone #2}}

[[File:EmpireofStone3 Gigatron dragon.jpg|thumb|left|200px|''And it burns, burns, burns<br>The ring of fire'']]

Not long afterwards, the captives came running straight back into Gigatron's throne room, followed closely by Stone Army soldiers that attacked the Decepticons. Told by Drift that Hellbat had betrayed him and activated the army for his own gain, Gigatron was enraged and transformed into his two-headed dragon mode, single-handedly wiping out the stone soldiers. Drift then brokered an alliance with the Decepticon commander against Hellbat's new army. {{storylink|Drift - Empire of Stone issue 3|Empire of Stone #3}} Unwilling to destroy too many of his potential soldiers, however, Gigatron soon left the group to confront Hellbat directly and was faced with a gigantic stone warrior. Kept at bay by the giant, Gigatron instead tossed Drift onto Hellbat's platform to deal with him, which he did by cutting the army's control device off of the traitor's arm. Gigatron tried to take the chance to kill Hellbat and retrieve the device for himself, but was stopped in his tracks by Drift, who urged him to give up on war. The interruption allowed Hellbat to take back the device and send the entire army after Gigatron, who in his rage waded through the stone soldiers to get to his treacherous second-in-command and cut him down. Unfortunately, his strike also destroyed the machinery used to activate the army, causing a series of explosions that collapsed the building on top of him as he fought off the remaining soldiers. {{storylink|Drift - Empire of Stone issue 4|Empire of Stone #4}}
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===Ask Vector Prime===
When [[Violen Jiger|Bio Ranger Iga]] formed the [[Thirteen Great Demon Generals]], Gigatron came from "beyond the reach of time itself" to join. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/27}}

===Shell Game===
In [[Viron 704.31 Epsilon]], [[Megazarak (Universe)|Megazarak]] then arrived from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] after the death of Megatron by [[Omega Prime]] and declared for leadership of the [[Predacon (RID)|Predacon]]/[[Decepticon]] forces. Megazarak later used Megatron's corpse to create the [[zombie|undead]] monstrosity [[Megabolt]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/30}}

===Spy Changer continuity===
In [[Viron 1103.12 Gamma]], Megatron was pleased that Sky-Byte had (accidentally) rendered all energon on Earth toxic, which forced all the Autobots to downsize to [[Spy Changer]]s. However, after [[Daytonus]] and [[X-Brawn]] destroyed the Predacons' pure energon stash, the war ground to a halt. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/18}}

==Toys==
===Robots in Disguise (2001)===
[[File:RID Megatron toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It sorta looks like a bat, right?]]
*'''Megatron''' (Ultra Class, 2001)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-001'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles, 2 missile launchers

: The ''only'' new-mold bad guy from the ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|Car Robots]]'' line, Megatron (or "Gigatron", as he was called in Japan) has six different configurations: robot, jet, bat, two-headed dragon, giant hand, and roadster. His hand mode has a spring-loaded "gripping" gimmick. He comes with a pair of pressure-launch missile launchers that can double as swords, or be combined to form a single naginata-like weapon.

: Gigatron was later retooled into "Devil Gigatron", and it was this slightly modified version of the mold that [[Hasbro]] released in their ''Robots in Disguise'' line (see "Galvatron", below, for specific details). The blades of his missiles were also rounded off a bit more to comply with [[For safety reasons|safety standards]].

: The Hasbro version of this mold was also used to make ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' [[Deathsaurus (Victory)#Timelines|Deathsaurus]] and [[BotCon 2016]] [[Megatron (BW)/toys#Generations|''Beast Wars'' Megatron]].

:Oddly enough, in ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'', [[Simon Furman]] boasts that Hasbro's Megatron had ten modes and was a completely different toy from Gigatron. While Megatron could convert into all 10 alternate modes, the instructions only mentioned the original 6. Also, the Hasbro version is not a completely different toy from the Takara version so much as it is a slightly retooled version.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2001/Predacon/Megatron/megatron.htm More information on Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:RIDGalvatron.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|One little, two little, three little alt-modes. Four little, five little, six little alt-modes. Seven little, eight little, nine little alt-modes. Ten little modes has he.]]
*'''Galvatron''' (Ultra Class, 2001)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-013'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles, 2 missile launchers

: [[Redeco]]ed into a color scheme more traditionally associated with "dead" in Japan, "Devil Gigatron" featured four additional transformations. Although this does make Galvatron the Transformer with the most official alt-modes in a single body, the four new modes were pretty clearly just made up by fiddling with the original toy, given that they feature no dedicated parts, and that all four can be reproduced on the original Gigatron mold. These new modes are a winged griffin, a one-headed dragon, a hydroplane (''riiiiiight''), and an elephant. The toy actually received a very slight retool to accommodate this fourth form: a pair of tabs were added to that allow the elephant's "trunk" to clip securely into place, which merely hangs loose if one attempts to configure the original Gigatron into this form. As noted above, this slight retool was used by Hasbro for their Megatron figure, and for all other Hasbro-released incarnations of the mold.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2001/Decepticon/Galvatron/galvatron.htm More information on Galvatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:RID MegatronMegabolt toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Transforms into a [[Predator (alien)|Predator]] mask!]]
*'''Megatron Megabolt''' (Deluxe Class, 2002)
**''Accessories:'' Missile

: Originally developed for the [[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|''Beast Machines'' toyline]] but shelved, it finally saw release as a ''Robots in Disguise'' [[KB Toys]] [[exclusive]]. Megatron Megabolt transforms into a head-shaped spider tank based on the [[Grand Mal]] design. A gear-wheel mechanism moves the mouth and legs up and down as the tank mode is pushed along. Pressing the (Vehicon) [[spark crystal]] on the tank's top opens its jaw and fires a spring-loaded missile. In [[robot mode]], this swings the entire cannon assembly up over the robot's head, along with a "battle mask". The mask and cannon are held in this position by a magnet on the back of his head. Pressing the button again fires the missile.

: He can have some difficulty standing unsupported due to the ball joints of his knees. While not particularly loose, his upper body is very heavy due to the mechanisms used in his gimmicks.

: In a rather clever [[retcon]], this toy's bio [[#Air Attack Optimus Primal|(described above)]] says that the [[alternate mode|alt mode]] is a means for Megatron to take control of Fortress Maximus. As it happens, the figure ''can'' actually be used as Maximus's head if you remove the spider-legs.<ref>[http://tformers.com/article.php?sid=350 TFormers.com article] describing how to combine the Megatron Megabolt toy with Fortress Maximus</ref>

: The original [[prototype]] of this toy looked vastly different and sported a different transformation.<ref name="mbproto">[http://robotpoints.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/megabolt-megatron-concept.html "Artefacts: Megabolt Megatron concept."] at Robot Points.</ref>

: This toy was released in Japan on [[August 8]], 2002, as a [[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]]-exclusive "[[USA Edition]]".

: This mold was [[redeco]]ed as simply "[[Megabolt]]". It was then redecoed again in ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)#Beast Wars Returns|Beast Wars Returns]]'' as [[Megatron (BW)/toys#MegaheadMegatron|Megahead Megatron]], the character it had been designed for.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Decepticon/MegaboltMegatron/megaboltmegatron.htm More information on Megatron Megabolt at TFU.info]''
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===Car Bot===
{{anchor|Gigatron Z}}
[[File:BWII toy - Galvatron.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP75aZvWVdw GIGA GIGA/Rock the Giga/ GIGATRON Z!]]]
*'''Gigatron Z''' (2003)
**''ID number:'' '''D-16'''
**''Accessories:'' Two axe/missiles, claw weapon

:A reissue of the ''Beast Wars'' Ultra-sized [[Galvatron (BWII)#Beast Wars|Galvatron]] toy for Korean markets, Dinosaur Warrior '''Gigatron Z''' (기가트론Z ''Gigateuron Jedeu'') has three modes, transforming from robot to [[dragon]] and "drill-tank" [[alternate mode]]s.

:Gigatron Z is armed with a pair of bladed missiles that are fired by two spring-loaded launchers located in the bifurcated tail of his dragon mode. These launchers wind up on his wrists in robot mode, and can be flipped forward over his fists to act as weapons in this mode. He can also wield the missiles in his fists as scythe- or axe-like melee weapons. In robot mode, Gigatron Z's dragon-wings unfold into a pair of serrated claws that can either be angled over his shoulders, or disconnect to become a hand-held weapon that features a lever-activated pinching gimmick. His drill-tank mode features a gear-activated spinning drill, activated by pushing a large black button on his back.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Destron/Galvatron/galvatron.htm More information on Gigatron Z (Galvatron) at TFU.info]''
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==Merchandise==
===Robot Heroes===
[[File:RobotHeroes-RID2001-OptimusPrimeMegatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|If it's so bad to be jolly, he doesn't want to be good!]]
*'''Super Optimus Prime''' / '''Megatron'''
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==Notes==
*According to the early ''Car Robots'' bible, Gigatron has the following statistics:

:Height: 7 meters
:Weight: 10 tons
:Speed: 700 kilometers per hour
*In ''Car Robots'', Gigatron's GigaBat and GigaDragon alternate modes each have their own voice. The bat's voice is higher-pitched, a bit dumber, and speaks how older people used to speak during the Japan's Edo period by ending most of his dialogue with "''deansu''" (であんす). Conversely, the dragon's voice is deeper, angrier, and overall more aggressive-sounding, much like how the dragon altmode of [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]] would go on to sound in the [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|''Cybertron'' cartoon]].
*According to the first ''Car Robots'' toy catalog, Gigatron and his Destrongers "passed through a rift in dimensions" to appear on 21st-century Earth, with Fire Convoy/Optimus Prime's Autobot "Dimensional Patrol" following them. This seems to have been only vaguely alluded to in the Japanese version of the show—Fire Convoy expressed bewilderment in the 12th episode for an O-Part "to exist during this time," suggesting that he and the O-Parts come from another time—but does not seem to have played a large part of the main story, to the extent that the ''Robots in Disguise'' dub was able to omit it entirely. It gets a mention in a Megatron character profile on the [[United Kingdom|R2]] DVD boxsets, which refer to "rumours" that he comes from [[Another Time & Place|another time and place]]. [[Chris McFeely|The author]] claims that, at the time, he was just willfully screwing with people by including it, since back then it was more rumor in the fandom than the cited fact it is now.
**Years later, the [[Generation 1 cartoon timeline (Japan)|Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity timeline]] and the Facebook edition of [[Ask Vector Prime]] would expand upon this to explicitly establish Gigatron and his Destrongers as time and dimension travelers.
*The first ''Car Robots'' catalog also stated that Fire Convoy and Gigatron were once "[[:File:MangaYoungDeathyStarSaber.jpg|childhood friends]]" that became eternal rivals. We don't really have any idea how that was supposed to work.
*The CG illustrations on ''Car Robots'' Gigatron and Devil Gigatron's packaging were done by [[Tamotsu Shinohara]], a designer at [[Toei]] who mainly does creature design for live-action ''tokusatsu'' series such as "Kamen Rider" and "Super Sentai". {{fact}}
[[File:FigureKingDevilOstrich.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Put it up to eleven.]]
*Megatron was left out of the [[BotCon 2010]] [[Transformers Hall of Fame]] video tribute to Megatron(s), possibly due to rights issues.
*An interview with TakaraTomy employee [[Takashi Kunihiro]] in the August 2011 issue of ''Figure King'' magazine revealed that ''Car Robots'' Gigatron is his favorite design of the ''Transformers'' items he's worked on. Kunihiro also revealed an "eleventh mode" for Devil Gigatron in the interview, the "Devil Ostrich". This mode later appeared in "[[LGEX Black Convoy Prologue]]", making it canon.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Gigatron''' (Megatron, ギガトロン ''Gigatoron''), '''Devil Gigatron''' (Galvatron, デビルギガトロン ''Debiru Gigatoron''), '''Megatron Megabolt''' (メガトロンメガボルト ''Megatoron Megaboruto'')
*''Korean:'' '''Gigatron''' (기가트론 ''Gigateuron'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Jīng Jié Tiān''' (惊劫天, "Sky-hijacking Awe"), '''Èmó Jīng Jié Tiān''' (恶魔惊劫天, "Devil Sky-hijacking Awe")

==References==
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[[Category:Car Robots Predacons]]
[[Category:Decepticon leaders]]
[[Category:Gods]]
[[Category:Hall of Fame characters]]
[[Category:IDW Generation 1 Decepticons]]
[[Category:KB Toys exclusives]]
[[Category:Legends Predacons]]
[[Category:Multi-family characters]]
[[Category:Predacon leaders]]
[[Category:Robots in Disguise (2001) Predacons]]
[[Category:Robots in Disguise (2001) Decepticons]]
[[Category:Transformers with multiple modes]]
[[Category:Unite Warriors characters]]
[[Category:Vampires]]

Infinitus

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:''Infinitus is an [[Autobot]] [[Titan Master]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:TitansReturn Infinitus Sentinel.jpg|thumb|right|275px|I know heads, okay? I have the best heads.]]

'''Infinitus''' is a [[Titan Master]] partnered with [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] who can power up his larger partner by forming his head. His ability to slow time allows Sentinel to strike with precision on the battlefield even during an intense battle.

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==Fiction==
===''Titans Return'' marketing material===
When [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Squeezeplay (G1)|Crashbash]] attacked [[Velocitron]] during the planet's biggest race, Infinitus, as Sentinel Prime's head, fought alongside [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] and Optimus Prime to repulse the invaders, defending [[Haywire|Hyperfire]] from Decepticon abduction. {{storylink|Titans Return: The Power of the Titan Masters}}

===IDW 2005 continuity===
{{note|In the IDW continuity, "Sentinel Prime" and Infinitus are the same individual.}}
{{main|Sentinel Prime (G1)#IDW Generation 1 continuity}}

The Titan Master Infinitus was ancient; millions of years ago, he served [[Nexus Prime]] during the age of the [[Thirteen Tribes]]. When the Thirteen passed from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Infinitus vowed to keep their teachings alive and create a new world - a world where "the weak knew their place" and the "good" would keep their inferiors in line. To this end, he took on the identity of "Sentinel Prime", using his Titan Master abilities to puppeteer a large body that allowed him to pass as a normal Cybertronian. Although Infinitus attempted to thwart [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]]'s rise to power during the earliest days of the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], he was defeated by the revolutionary leader, and Sentinel Prime was assumed dead. Infinitus secretly abandoned his ruined body and started building a new one beneath [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]], intermittently slipping in and out of hibernation as he subconsciously attuned himself to the [[Titan (group)|Titan]]s.

Millions of years later he was properly awoken by a broadcast from [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]]. Viewing the greatly changed post-war Cybertron, he was disgusted by the sight of Autobots working together with Decepticons and colonists from the [[Titan (group)|Titan]] worlds, signs of "degeneracy" that he could not abide. Infinitus donned the mantle of Sentinel Prime once more, vowing to take up arms and burn down everything that his successor [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] had built up.

==Toys==
===Generations===
[[File:titans_return_infinitus.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.5|I turn into a [http://www.dumbingofage.com/2010/comic/book-1/01-move-in-day/face/ FAAACE].]]
*'''Autobot Infinitus & Sentinel Prime''' (Voyager Class, [[2016]])
:"Autobot Infinitus" (the 'Autobot' prefix presumably added for [[trademark]] reasons) was packaged with his partner [[Sentinel Prime (G1)#Generations|Sentinel Prime]] as part of the first wave of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]''. He can transform into the larger robot's head, or that of any other ''Titans Return'' Deluxe, Voyager, or Leader Class toy. Infinitus's robot and head modes are both based directly on [[Alex Milne]]'s Sentinel Prime design from ''[[The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin]]''.

:Infinitus's mold was also used for [[Darkmoon#Generations|Darkmoon]] and the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] stages of both ''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' [[Convobat#Legends|Convobat]] and [[Lio Convoy#Legends|Leo Prime]], and he would've been redecoed as "Action Master" Optimus Prime's Titan Master for the [[BotCon#BotCon 2017|BotCon 2017]] "Action on Hydrus Four" set that never came to be.

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*'''Titan Force''' (gift set, [[2016]])
:Infinitus, now in translucent orange, was again packaged with his partner [[Sentinel Prime (G1)#TitanForce|Sentinel Prime]] in a [[giftset|gift set]] together with ''Titan Force'' redecoes of [[Brainstorm (G1)#TitanForce|Brainstorm]] and [[Windblade (G1)#TitanForce|Windblade]]. The upper portion of Infinitus's legs has been installed backwards on this version, but it is ''highly'' inadvisable to attempt to fix them, given the tiny size of the parts and the less forgiving nature of the transparent plastic.

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==Notes==
*Unlike the other Titan Masters, the Hasbro product description copy given to retail sites for Infinitus differs from what is on the toy package. It lists his Titan Master power as a near-impenetrable force field instead of time manipulation. The [[Trypticon's Titan Master Crunch]] poster went with a variant of this power, temporary invincibility, rather than matching the packaging.

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Enigma of Combination

2019-03-28T03:41:47Z

NovaSaber: /* IDW Generation 1 continuity */

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[[File:EnigmaOfCombination.jpg|thumb|right|300px|"A riddle, wrapped in a mystery..."]]

The '''Enigma of Combination''' is one of the [[Artifacts of the Primes|artifacts]] of the [[Thirteen]]. Possessed by [[Nexus Prime]], it is not only capable of fostering unity and cooperation of the minds of sentient creatures in its proximity, but also of bestowing one of the greatest abilities known to [[Transformer|Cybertronians]]—that of [[combiner|combination]]. This ancient tool can instantaneously merge any Cybertronians together into a combiner, enhance the power and mental stability of pre-existing combiners, or integrate new components into pre-existing combiner teams.

==Fiction==
===''The Covenant of Primus''===
In ancient times, Nexus Prime wielded the Enigma of Combination, which contained a fraction of his own combinational powers. Much like its owner, the Enigma frequently changed size and shape, making it impossible to predict or keep track of. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus}}

===IDW 2005 continuity===
[[File:RID34 enigma of combination.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Hey! Listen!]]
The Enigma of Combination was created by [[Solus Prime]], sometime before the unification of the Thirteen. {{storylink|Transformers: Historia|Historia}} {{storylink|The Nothing Man}} [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] would come to regard the Enigma, and the other [[Artifacts of the Primes]], as "metaphors made real;" {{storylink|Conquerors Part 1: Aphelion|Aphelion}} by channeling a primal force of the universe. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 4: It's Beginning To And Back Again|It's Beginning To And Back Again}} For reasons unknown, [[Nexus Prime]] chose to conceal the artifact's physical nature, with even his closest allies believing the "enigma" in question was a puzzle whose solution allowed for [[Combiner|combination]]. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

During the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]], Nexus Prime and his [[Thirteen Tribes|tribe]] allied with [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Onyx Prime]], and the pair used the Enigma to create the first [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] by combining humanoid Transformers with Onyx's [[Maximal|bestial followers]]. {{storylink|Earthfall Chapter 3: The Mind Bomb|The Mind Bomb}} The [[Darklands|Darklander]] warrior [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] was of the opinion that Onyx only tolerated Nexus due to the fact that the latter owned the Enigma; {{storylink|The Crucible}} sickened by the "abominations" that the Enigma produced, Galvatron waged a bloody crusade in the name of Cybertronian "purity" and slaughtered the Headmasters to the last 'bot {{storylink|Earthfall Chapter 3: The Mind Bomb|The Mind Bomb}} before killing Nexus and taking the Enigma. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

[[File:TheCrucible-TheDawnOfMan.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Not shown: Gregorian choir.]]

In the age that followed, Galvatron would partner with [[Nova Prime]], who, to accomplish his dream of an interstellar "[[Expansion|expansion]]," sought to use combiners as a weapon of conquest. {{storylink|Primus: All Good Things|All Good Things}} Galvatron lied and claimed that Nexus had fled the planet and took the Enigma with him. Alpha Trion could detect the falsehood in Galvatron's words — none had ever known whether or not the Enigma was anything more than a ''concept'', but Galvatron clearly knew it to be a physical object. Realizing that he had accidentally tipped his hand, Galvatron shot the Enigma into space to put it beyond anyone's reach, {{storylink|The Crucible}} hoping that the Enigma would crash and burn up in a distant star. {{storylink|Now and On Earth}}

While stories of the Enigma's capabilities survived into the modern era of Cybertron, most Cybertronians dismissed the artifact as a myth. {{storylink|Onyx Interface Part Two: Vs.|Vs.}} Different groups of Transformers would infrequently attempt to recreate the "lost art" of combination, but what few successful combiners they produced were brutish and imperfect. {{storylink|Primus: All Good Things|All Good Things}} {{storylink|Before the Dawn}} {{storylink|The Crucible}}

After drifting in space for millennia, the Enigma fell to [[Earth]] seven to eight million years ago in the region that would one day become {{w|Mesopotamia}}. {{storylink|The Crucible}} {{storylink|Onyx Interface Part Three: ONoffON|ONoffON}}

Eventually, Onyx Prime — who had fled Cybertron at the conclusion of the First Cybertronian Civil War — became aware that the Enigma still existed in the universe and sent [[Domitius Major]] and the crew of the ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'' to find and retrieve it for him though this may have been a ruse so that the ''Axalon'' crew could play their role in the ontological paradox that the younger Shockwave had set in motion. {{storylink|Strange Visitors}} {{storylink|Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook issue 1|Centurion profile}} {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} {{storylink|Our Finest}}

When the ''Axalon'' failed to return, Onyx sent another one of his servants to Earth in the form of the [[Titan Master]] [[Sovereign]]. Disguised as a human and extensively conditioned with false memories, Sovereign — who would come to take up the identity of "[[G.B. Blackrock]]," — was sent to find the Enigma and summon his master when he did so. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 3: Helden|Helden}}

[[File:OnOffOn-EnigmaOfCombination.jpg|thumb|left|250px]]

It is unknown how long Sovereign was active on Earth for; as "Blackrock," he claimed that the Enigma was first discovered by primitive humans some six thousand years ago at the intersection of the {{w|Tigris}} and {{w|Euphrates}} rivers. Its energies supposedly "combined" the thoughts and ideas of these early tribes, and the ancient warrior [[Gilgamesh]] would raise the city of [[Uruk (Earth)|Uruk]] to protect it. According to Blackrock, Gilgamesh passed the artifact to his children, and, over the centuries, this lineage — from which Blackrock supposedly took his surname — would use the Enigma to unite great minds in times of need, leading to breakthroughs such as the atomic bomb and the [[internet]]. {{storylink|Onyx Interface Part Three: ONoffON|ONoffON}} Owing to Sovereign's jumbled state of mind, the veracity of these statements are unclear. {{storylink|The Dead Come Home, Part 1 (of 2)|The Dead Come Home, Part 1}}

What is known is that, sometime prior to 2012, Blackrock came into possession of the Enigma while scouring the earth for Cybertronian artifacts. {{storylink|Onyx Interface Part Three: ONoffON|ONoffON}} Unaware of his "Sovereign" persona and the original reason why he had been sent to Earth, {{storylink|Conquerors Part 3: Helden|Helden}} Blackrock deduced that the artifact was of Cybertronian origin and used it to jumpstart the lucrative [[Onyx]] corporation, tapping its quantum source code to develop miraculous new breakthroughs in interlinked software and robotics. {{storylink|Onyx Interface Part One: Signals, Calls, and Marches|Signals, Calls and Marches}} {{storylink|Onyx Interface Part Three: ONoffON|ONoffON}} Over the next three years, Blackrock would use it to engineer his army of reverse-engineered [[Seeker clone]]s into combiners, {{storylink|The Nothing Man}} translate the Cybertronian language, {{storylink|Conquerors Part 2: Lagrange|Lagrange}} and eventually develop the cutting-edge [[Onyx Interface]]: an all-encompassing software suite that connected every piece of Onyx tech to each other through the Enigma source code.{{storylink|Onyx Interface Part One: Signals, Calls, and Marches|Signals, Calls and Marches}}

Ex-[[Skywatch]] agent [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Spike Witwicky]] became aware of Blackrock's possession of the Enigma; hoping that the relic would provide a clue as to ''why'' the Transformers had constantly interfered with Earth's development, he planned to steal it from the [[Wanmu]] warehouse where Blackrock stored his extraterrestrial curios. {{storylink|Onyx Interface Part Two: Vs.|Vs.}}

Around 2012, Alpha Trion deduced the location of the Engima and set out to Earth to retrieve it. He left his travelling companion [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] in the care of the Camien [[cityspeaker]] [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] and cryptically informed her and her friends that he was hunting for "the holy grail". {{storylink|Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|Burning Bright}}

[[File:TheObliterati-mine.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"This mailbox is..."]]

After rescuing Trion from [[Earth Defense Command|EDC]] custody, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] learned of the Enigma's existence from Alpha Trion and ordered his lieutenant [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]] to search for it while he returned to Cybertron. {{storylink|The Crucible}} Both Prowl and Galvatron — now leader of the [[Decepticon]]s — realized that Spike likely had some information about the Enigma's whereabouts, and both attempted to hunt him down. {{storylink|Onyx Interface Part Two: Vs.|Vs.}} Galvatron managed to convince his sibling [[Arcee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Arcee]] to temporarily put aside their differences so that they could destroy the Enigma once and for all, but Prowl and the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s allied with Spike and beat them to the punch, using [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] to attack the Onyx facility. {{storylink|Onyx Interface Part Three: ONoffON|ONoffON}}

Despite Blackrock's best efforts to put the Enigma beyond his reach, Devastator easily captured the artifact but quickly went berserk at the sight of Spike. As he went berserk, Galvatron's forces arrived to try and seize the Enigma, and an enraged Devastator hurled the Enigma at Arcee in fury. In the chaos, Galvatron's underling [[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] — in reality, a secret mole for Cybertron's leader [[Starscream (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Starscream]] — absconded with the Enigma and flew off to deliver the artifact to his boss, {{storylink|The Onyx Interface Conclusion: The Obliterati|The Obliterati}} who was hoping to obtain a combiner of his own. {{storylink|The World of Tomorrow}} Galvatron grimly predicted that this would soon mean the end of Cybertronian society. {{storylink|The Onyx Interface Conclusion: The Obliterati|The Obliterati}}

Having recovered the comatose body of [[Superion (G1)|Superion]], Starscream recruited [[Wheeljack (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Wheeljack]] to use the Enigma to rebuild the combiner, drafting [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] and [[Alpha Bravo]] to serve replacement team members. {{storylink|The World of Tomorrow}} As first contact with the Cybertronian colony world of [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]] approached, Starscream devised a plan to win the adoration of the Camiens by first using the Enigma to recreate [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] as an out-of-control monster; when [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] and Menasor attacked Caminus, the [[Caminus (Titan)|eponymous Titan]] detected the Enigma's energy within the rogue combiner and tried to alert his [[Cityspeaker|cityspeakers]], but they were unable to properly interpret his warnings before Superion arrived to save the day. {{storylink|The Sum and Its Parts}}

[[File:AnUneventfulNight-zap.jpg|thumb|left|250px]]

Starscream used the Enigma to reinvigorate the Aerialbots after Devastator began attacking Caminus's spacebridge, but after realizing that Superion couldn't do it alone, he used the Enigma on a group of bystanders to create [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]]. {{storylink|Mistakes and Mayhem}} With Devastator defeated, Starscream sought to turn Devastator's power to his advantage and did so by using the Enigma on Scoop, turning him into a new leg for Devastator while ensuring that his devotion to the "Chosen One" meant that Devastator would obey Starscream's orders. Shortly afterwards, [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]], acting on Prowl's orders, was able to steal the Enigma and deliver it to the captive Autobot, who used it on himself, Optimus, and some other Autobots to create [[Optimus Maximus (G1)|Optimus Maximus]]. {{storylink|You, Me, and the Universe}}

At the conclusion of the "[[Combiner Wars (event)|Combiner War]]", the newly-formed [[Council of Worlds]] put the Enigma under [[Badgeless]] security so that nobody could abuse its power. Not long afterwards, however, Arcee stole it with the intent to destroy it: she wanted to be ensure that Starscream didn't turn people into combiners against their will. [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] and [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] gave chase into the [[Rust Sea]]. The Camien [[Torchbearer]]s, who saw destroying a Primal relic as blasphemy, intervened to help Windblade and became a combiner, [[Victorion]], themselves! Eventually Windblade managed to convince Arcee to return the relic, so as to make sure Starscream had no excuse for military action. {{storylink|An Uneventful Night}}

[[File:TheNothingMan-EnigmaCode.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"Ones and zeros everywhere! And I thought I saw a two!"]]

While courting the favor of the five [[Titan (group)|Titan]] colonies, Starscream used the Enigma as a means to convince the inhabitants of planet [[Devisiun (planet)|Devisiun]] to join the Council of Worlds. {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 6|Windblade vol. 2 #6}}

On Earth, the Autobots aboard the ''Ark-7'' began investigating the source code behind the Onyx operating system; they discovered that every device utilized a highly adaptable code that could "correct" itself and instantaneously pass those changes along to every other Onyx device on Earth. Blackrock himself was aware of this property, and discovered that he could use the data on his Onyx systems to effectively see into the "souls" of every human on Earth... but received his first hint that he himself was not human when he discovered that he couldn't see his ''own'' soul. Blackrock was able to use the Onyx source code to take control of the ''[[Ark-7]]'' after the Autobots brought one of his devices onto their ship, and granted him the ability to shut down most of the ship's systems. {{storylink|The Nothing Man}}

[[File:ItsBeginningToAndBackAgain-EarthEnigma.jpg|thumb|left|250px|If you liked it, then you should have put a ring on it.]]

By the time that Blackrock had been fully unmasked as a Cybertronian imposter, Optimus Prime led a team to storm Galvatron's [[Nemesis (G1)|underwater base]] and Galvatron revealed the full extent of the Enigma's power. With billions of interlinked Onyx devices scattered across Earth, their combined power created a gigantic Enigma of Combination, and a force that that Galvatron could control to his own benefit. He did just that, first breaking Victorion apart and then mish-mashing some of the combatants together to create [[Galvatronus (Generations)|Galvatronus]] and [[Sky Reign]]. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 4: It's Beginning To And Back Again|It's Beginning To And Back Again}}

The power of the Enigma was resisted by Superion, who hadn't been created through its energies, and he ultimately found a way to nullify its power. By hacking into the Onyx Interface, copying part of its workings into his neocortex, and splitting into the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbot]]s as he did so, he "erased" a vital part of the code, nullifying the power of the Earth-Enigma so long as he never reformed. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 5: As Above...So Below|As Above... So Below}}

Determined to discover the information that the brain-dead Swindle had on Starscream, [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] ordered Rattrap to bring him the Enigma so the Combaticons could see inside Swindle's mind, {{storylink|Things We Said We'd Never Do}} uniting the five into the destructive [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]]. {{storylink|The Line Between Us}} In the aftermath, [[Ironhide (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ironhide]] demanded that Starscream turn over the Enigma to him, noting it had wandered off too many times to cause mayhem. Starscream was hesitant about parting with his most powerful weapon but the conversation was interrupted before the two could continue. {{storylink|Ping}}

When [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] arrived at Cybertron, a desperate [[Soundwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Soundwave]] sought out the Enigma and proposed combining the entirety of Cybertron's population with their planet to fight off the Chaos Bringer. [[Jetfire (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Jetfire]] overruled the idea however, noting that, even with the full might of the Enigma's mass-displacement abilities, the result would be too small to properly fight off their foe. {{storylink|Our Finest}}

When Cybertron was evacuated, {{storylink|Road's End}} Soundwave brought the Enigma with him to Earth. As part of the plan to defeat Unicron, Superion reformed, the Earth Enigma's energies surging throughout the planet once again, which Soundwave used in concert with the physical Enigma to make contact with the [[Transformer afterlife|Afterspark]]. Via [[Stardrive]], the spirits of the dead were psychically linked to Optimus Prime in [[infraspace]] allowing him to make peace with [[Unicron's creator]]. As a side-effect, the energies of the Enigmas had allowed for [[Victorion]]'s rebirth, with [[Slide]] functioning as the combiner's new leg. Yet the strain of the act had proven too much for both Soundwave and the physical Enigma, both turning to dust. {{storylink|Ceremony}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
When asked if the [[Infinite Combinatoric]] and the Enigma of Combination were connected, [[Vector Prime]] cryptically asked the questioner if there was "a connection between Jupiter and Odin and Ahura Mazda and Zeus and Marduk". {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime 16/7/2015}}

===''Timelines''===
[[Ratchet (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ratchet]] was exposed to an "ancient artifact", giving him the power to combine. {{storylink|Ratchet (G1)/toys#Generations|Customization class G1 cartoon Ratchet bio}}

===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons===
[[File:PWT_EnigmaOfCombination.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6]]
Created eons ago by [[Solus Prime]], the Enigma of Combination was responsible for the creation of many new Combiners on Cybertron during the later years of the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], leading to the [[Combiner Wars (event)|Combiner Wars]] that followed. The [[Council of Worlds]] came into possession of the Enigma and considered using it to stem the conflict, either by creating more Combiners or destroying the existing ones. {{storylink|The Council}} [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] each learned of this and formed an alliance to stop the council's plans. {{storylink|The Fall}} {{storylink|The Duel}} {{storylink|Unforgotten}} As the council debated using the Enigma to control the Combiners, Optimus's team arrived and attacked, followed shortly thereafter by [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. {{storylink|Homecoming (CW)|Homecoming}} Devastator attempted to claim the Enigma for himself, battling the others and the newly-arrived [[Victorion]] for it. With seemingly no choice left, the Council ordered Starscream to use the Enigma to take control of the combatants. {{storylink|A War of Giants}} Instead, he used it to merge himself with Devastator, Victorion, and the bodies of [[Computron (G1)|Computron]] and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], becoming an unstable super-Combiner. {{storylink|Darkest Hour (CW)|Darkest Hour}} Upon Starscream's defeat, Megatron retrieved the Enigma and gave it to Windblade, who opted to leave it in Victorion's possession, claiming it rightfully belonged to the Combiners. {{storylink|Destruction's Dawn}}
[[File:AWarOfGiants Starscream plus combiners.jpg|thumb|left|250px]]

While leaving Metroplex City, Optimus received a vision of the Enigma of Combination from the [[Matrix of Leadership]], leaving him to ponder things to come. {{storylink|The Fight Begins}} To combat the attacking [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]], [[Victorion]] used the Enigma to merge with Computron, Devastator and Mensaor, becoming a super-Combiner. {{storylink|Desperate Actions}} Ultimately, they were forced to separate again after taking too much damage from Trypticon. {{storylink|In Good Hands}} Sensing the Enigma in her possession, Trypticon swallowed Victorion and absorbed the Enigma's power, giving him immense strength and new abilities, such as the power to control Combiners. {{storylink|Consumed}} When Trypticon attempted to do the same with the Matrix, it rejected him, forcing him to release it and everything else he had swallowed, including the Enigma. Before Victorion could reclaim it, however, [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] appeared and surrounded them with a barrier of flame. After killing Optimus, Megatronus took the Enigma and Matrix for his own and departed in search of the [[Requiem Blaster (Megatronus)|Requiem Blaster]]. {{storylink|All Things Must Pass}}

As Megatron's group searched for the Blaster in [[Primal Swamp]], they ran afoul of [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]], who demanded the Enigma from Victorion and attacked when she failed to produce it. {{storylink|Volcanicus (episode)|Volcanicus}} Believing it would help him survive the apocalypse, it took Megatron himself pointing the Requiem Blaster at his face to convince him Victorion didn't have it, though the former Decepticon leader promised they would inform him if they found it. {{storylink|Primal (POTP)|Primal}} Elsewhere, in the [[Well of All Sparks|Well of Sparks]], Megatronus installed the Enigma and the Matrix into an unknown device. {{storylink|Without Warning}} Megatron eventually realized that Megatronus's plan was to use the Enigma to merge the Matrix and the Blaster into a single all-powerful weapon. {{storylink|Consequences}} Returning to the [[Well of All Sparks|Well of Sparks]], Megatronus installed the Blaster into his doomsday weapon and began siphoning the life force from every Transformer's spark. Perceptor attempted to remove the Enigma and the other relics, but his efforts proved unsuccessful as Solus Prime began to return. {{storylink|Collision Course}} A concentrated attack by [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]], [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] and Windblade led to the Enigma and Blaster finally being released from the machine. Megatronus attempted to grab them, but was tackled by the heroes. {{storylink|Megatronus Unleashed}} Predaking arrived soon after, still seeking the Enigma, but was quickly and violently dispatched by Megatronus. In the battle's aftermath, Perceptor took possession of the Enigma, studying and protecting it in his lab. {{storylink|Saga's End}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
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==Toys==
===Timelines===
[[File:BotCon2016-EnigmaofCombination.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6]]
*'''Autobot Ratchet''' ([[2016]])
:Class participants who finished creating their Ratchet toy in-class were given an exclusive Enigma of Combination accessory. As with the previous year's [[Covenant of Primus]], it was handcrafted by [[Myu]] who offered the accessory to class participants, but without any official Hasbro endorsements.

:This accessory can be held by any toy with 5mm ports; more interestingly, it can be used with the [[Optimus_Prime_(G1)/toys#Combiner_Wars|''Combiner Wars'' Optimus Prime]] toy, plugging into the combined form's chest plate. Naturally, this means that, if you so desire, you can give the Enigma to [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], or worse, [[Grand Scourge]]... but that would be ''evil'', and you'll have to spend the rest of your life living with the knowledge that you've disgraced the legacy of the Thirteen to achieve your own twisted, selfish ends.
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===Generations===
[[File:POTP-Enigma-of-Combination.jpg|thumb]]
*[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Power of the Primes|Dinobot Grimlock]] (Voyager Class, 2017) - '''Dinobot Enigma'''
*[[Starscream (G1)/toys#Power of the Primes|Starscream]] (Voyager Class, 2017) - '''Seeker Enigma'''
*[[Hun-Gurrr (G1)#Generations|Terrorcon Hun-Gurrr]] (Voyager Class, 2018) - '''Terrorcon Enigma'''
*[[Elita One (G1)#Generations|Elita-1]] (Voyager Class, 2018) - '''Autobot Enigma'''
*[[Inferno (G1)/toys#Generations|Inferno]] (Voyager Class, 2018) - '''Autobot Enigma'''
:Each ''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' Voyager Class figure comes with an Enigma of Combination. These are shaped like [[Titan Master]]s and [[Prime Master]]s, but are single-mold pieces and therefore can't transform into a robot or provide neck articulation if used as a head. They can interact with the Voyager Class figures by either attaching to their Prime Armor or attaching to their combined mode chest (excluding Inferno). They could also attach to Deluxe Class figures' Prime Armor, Leader Class figures' [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] frame or the head sockets of ''Titans Return'' figures.

:Each of the Enigmas has a different sculpt and color scheme, excluding Inferno's and Hun-Gurrr's, which share the same mold. Grimlock's "Dinobot Enigma" is the only one modeled after the artifact's standard design in fiction.
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==Notes==
*When listing a handful of the artifacts of the Primes, the novel ''[[Transformers: Exiles|Exiles]]'' mentions the [[Infinite Combinatoric]]. Given the abilities its name implies, this ''might'' have been an early name for the Enigma. It wouldn't be the only point of confusing discontinuity between artifacts in ''Exiles''.
*Some combiners created or enhanced by the Enigma display unusual powers: Superion was able to split his body apart at will and swap legs into arms almost instantaneously, while Defensor was able to detach entire limbs and use them as rocket-propelled projectiles.
*Blackrock mentions that the Enigma can tap into the "primal force" of the universe to alter the mass of any given target, providing a tongue-in-cheek explanation for why [[Scale#Combiner characters|combiners tend to be several times the size of their components]].

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Enigma''' (エニグマ ''Eniguma'')

==See also==
*[[Spark of Combination]]

[[Category:Artifacts of the Primes]]
[[Category:Generation 1 objects]]
[[Category:IDW Generation 1 technology]]
[[Category:MacGuffins]]
[[Category:Power of the Primes]]

Dinosaur (dinosaur)

2019-03-28T03:40:39Z

NovaSaber: /* IDW Generation 1 continuity */

{{disambig3|Dinosaur}}
[[File:DinobotIslandPt2-Dirge.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|There's a party in my mouth, and only really depressing people are invited.]]
'''Dinosaurs''' are a form of {{w|archosaur}}s that dominated the [[Earth]] during their existence. Scientific consensus holds that most of them, minus birds, became extinct 66 million years ago; however, in the various [[Transformer]]s [[continuity|continuities]], this belief is often reassessed.

Dinosaurs' [[Popular beast alternate modes|most prominent influence]] in Transformers culture is serving as the [[Alternate mode|altmodes]] for some of the most dangerous (and occasionally ludicrous) Transformers of all time.

==Fiction==
[[File:Battle for Cybertron dinosaurs.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|[[Earl Norem]] dinosaurs: AWESOME! Chronology: not so great.]]
===Big Looker storybooks continuity===
When the [[Ark (G1)|Autobots' spacecraft]] crashed into the Earth four million years ago, the mighty dinosaurs fled in terror. {{storylink|Battle for Cybertron}}

===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
[[File:DinobotsG1.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|The Land Before Time XXIII: The Great Robot Adventure]]
Dinosaurs were understood to have been sluggish and stupid. They dragged their tails on the ground, and theropods walked fully upright. A number of dinosaur bones were found in a cave near the Ark, prompting the Autobots to investigate further. [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] visited a museum to take holographic scans of the reconstructed dinosaur skeletons on display there. This led them to develop the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], five rebellious (yet extremely powerful) [[Autobot]]s, who proved time and again a match for an army of [[Decepticon]]s. {{storylink|S.O.S. Dinobots}}

[[File:DinobotIsland2 dinosaurs galore.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
A selection of dinosaurs survived the mass extinction of 65 million years ago and lived on into the present on the time-displaced, and energy-rich, [[Dinobot Island (G1)|Dinobot Island]]. After discovering the location of the island, the Autobots found themselves tangling with some of the wildlife there. {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 1}} The Decepticons also discovered the island and set about harnessing its energies, until [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] harnessed the power of the island's dinosaur population to kick them out. {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 2}}

[[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] was built by the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] with a dinosaur primary mode. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}} Other dinosaur Transformers included [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]], {{storylink|Thief in the Night}} and the [[Mini-Cassette|cassette warriors]], [[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]] and [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]]. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

Transformers who have dinosaur [[alternate mode|altmodes]] have something known as "dinosaur electrons" within their systems. [[Transformation]] causes these electrons to release [[dinosaur transform static]]. {{storylink|Thief in the Night}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''Victory'' cartoon=====
[[File:BraveHero Dinoforce in space.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1]]
The [[Dinoforce]] consisted of six Decepticons with sentient dinosaurian [[Pretender]] shells and the ability to combine into [[Dinoking]].
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=====''Beast Wars II'' cartoon=====
[[File:Gigastorm1.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Brother, I think my horn has a rash.]]
[[Megastorm|Gigastorm]], [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]]'s younger brother, took the form of a theropod dinosaur. He then made several [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s into [[Cyborg Beast]]s including [[Thrust (BWII)|Thrust,]] rechristened Thrustor, a cyborg ''Velociraptor''.
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=====''Beast Wars Neo'' cartoon=====
The Predacon lineup consisted primarily of a number of dinosaurs and other prehistoric animals.

===Marvel Comics continuity===
Shortly after the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] crashed on [[Earth]], the Ark's defense systems detected Cybertronic life on the continent of [[Antarctica]]. The Ark sent a drone to investigate, and it discovered [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]] roaming around in the [[Savage Land]] blasting dinosaurs with high-powered X-rays. The Ark determined that Shockwave was a threat and rebuilt five Autobots into forms it assumed were the dominant form of life on the planet, the dinosaurs the drone discovered. {{storylink|The Last Stand}}

Four million years later, [[Ratchet (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ratchet]] visited the Savage Land and passed a dinosaur in his [[Ark shuttlecraft|shuttle]]. {{storylink|Repeat Performance!}}

====Earthforce====
{{earthforcefiction}}
[[File:Destiny of the dinobots.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb]]
By [[1992]] the dinosaurs of the Savage Land were suffering from an unidentified disease that drove them insane and ultimately killed them. When the Dinobots returned, searching for the [[Crystalline containment vessel|control crystal]] from their shuttle to help save [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] from [[Corrodia Gravis]], they discovered that a human paleontologist named [[Embrey|Professor Embrey]] was using it to keep the disease at bay from healthy dinosaurs. Ultimately, they let Embrey keep the crystal and transferred Snarl's mind into the body of a ''Stegosaurus''. {{storylink|Destiny of the Dinobots!}}
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===Milton Bradley mini-comic===
[[File:InTheTransformers dinosaurs.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
When the Ark crashed on prehistoric Earth, the ship's computer detected that [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] had jumped overboard at the last minute. It scanned the local life forms and repaired four Autobots with dinosaur alternate modes. The Dinobots found Soundwave shooting dinosaurs in the face and attacked him, eventually burying him and themselves under tons of rock. {{storylink|In the Transformers}}
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===IDW 2005 continuity===
[[File:SpotlightShockwave Beast modes.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.85]]
Six hundred thousand [[Units of time|meta-cycles]] ago, [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] foresaw [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron's]] eventual exhaustion of natural resources. To ensure their survival, he seeded many worlds with [[Energon]] ore and waited. He arrived on the world later to be known as [[Earth]] to regulate the growth of the valuable [[Ore-13]]. Unfortunately, the Autobot Dynobots, lusting for revenge after Shockwave had defeated them in a skirmish, followed him to this world. To endure the intense energon radiation on this world, the Dynobots assumed the form of the long-extinct dinosaur species. {{storylink|Spotlight: Shockwave}}
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===''Hearts of Steel''===
Both the Autobots and Decepticons assumed the forms of these doomed reptiles upon arriving on Earth, which was in the grip of one of its ice ages. {{Storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 1|Hearts of Steel #1}}

===''Beast Wars'' cartoon continuity===
====''Beast Wars'' cartoon====
[[File:Megatronbwtrex.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|It's not the size, it's how you use it.]]
By now, dinosaurs were understood to have been quick and agile, with theropods like ''Tyrannosaurus rex'' holding their bodies parallel to the ground. After crash-landing on a primitive world that was later revealed to be Earth, the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] renegades [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] and [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] used scans of fossils to assume the forms of extinct dinosaurs—a dwarf ''Tyrannosaurus rex'' and a giant ''Velociraptor'' respectively—as their [[beast mode]]s to survive on this [[energon]]-soaked planet. {{storylink|Beast Wars (Part 1)}}
[[File:Dinobot mirror.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|One...two...three...RED LIGHT.]]
After Dinobot's betrayal, Megatron cloned him. This [[Clone One|clone]] was completely biological and unable to transform out of its dinosaur mode. {{storylink|Double Dinobot}}

When the alien [[Vok]] [[Planet Buster]] superweapon that threatened Earth was destroyed, the resulting [[quantum surge]] altered Megatron's structure. His new, more powerful [[Transmetal]] body allowed him to transform into an entirely mechanical ''Tyrannosaurus'' with flight capabilities. {{Storylink|Aftermath}} Later, Megatron used the alien [[Transmetal driver]] to create a drone army of ''Velociraptor''s with Cybertronian enhancements. {{storylink|Cutting Edge}} Refining his experiments, Megatron subsequently created [[Dinobot II]], a [[Transmetal 2]] clone of Dinobot with a skeletal cyborg ''Velociraptor'' beast mode. {{Storylink|Feral Scream Part 1}}
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====3H comics====
[[File:BMdinobots.JPG|upright=1.1|thumb|So how did the Oracle get a ''Triceratops'' from ''Velociraptor'' DNA?]]

The Dinobots were created by the Oracle using dinosaur DNA information from Dinobot's spark. Most of the members had true dinosaur alternate modes of a ''[[T-Wrecks|Tyrannosaurus]], [[Triceradon (BM)|Triceratops]], [[Striker|Stegosaurus]]'', [[Dinotron (BM)|''Pachycephalosaurus'']], and a mechanical [[Rapticon (BM)|''Velociraptor'']]. Magmatron also joined the team although only one of his multiple beast modes is actually a dinosaur.
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===''Beast Wars II'' manga===
[[Magmatron]], [[Guiledart]], and [[Saberback]] were an actual ''Giganotosaurus'', ''Triceratops'', and ''Stegosaurus'' before being evolved by [[Angolmois]] energy. {{storylink|The Beast Wars "Neo" Begin!!!}}

===Unicron Trilogy===
====''Energon''====
[[File:Cruellock.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|Americans will never find me here...]]
The [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcon]] [[Cruellock]] is a theropod dinosaur, but with a distinct Japanese giant monster influence.

====''Cybertron''====
[[File:Cybertron Undermine beastmode.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|He acts tough but keeps disappearing when Grimlock walks in the room.]]
A ''Spinosaurus'' is the beast mode of choice for one of [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]]'s underlings, [[Undermine (Cybertron)|Undermine]], and his brother [[Repugnus (Cybertron)|Repugnus]].
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===2003 ''Dinobots'' toyline===
Walmart released an exclusive mini wave of figures in 2003, which over a decade later would be classified as [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|''Robots in Disguise'' (2001)]] characters. There is really no story behind these figures other than the fact that they are the Dinobots. The members with true dinosaur alternate modes are [[Grimlock (Dinobots)|Grimlock]], [[Snarl (Dinobots)|Snarl]], [[Triceradon (Dinobots)|Triceradon]], and [[Slapper (Dinobots)|Slapper]].
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===''Animated'' continuity family===
====''Animated'' cartoon====
[[File:DinobotsAnimated.jpg|thumb|Open the door / Get on the floor / Everybody walk the dinosaur]]
[[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] and [[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] are dinosaurs (a ''Tyrannosaurus rex'' and a ''Triceratops'') while [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] is a ''Pteranodon''. They form the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]], based on animatronic robots that had entertained the public. {{storylink|Blast from the Past}}

[[File:AnimatedZaur.jpg|left|thumb|A robot sauropod with guns on its sides. Awesome.]]
[[Zaur (Animated)|Zaur]] lives on Cybertron and is frightened of organics. He is a [[brontobot]], a species which bears a remarkable resemblance to sauropod dinosaurs. {{storylink|This Is Why I Hate Machines}}

====''Time-Quake''====
While conducting time experiments, [[Simion Hawkins|Professor Simion Hawkins]] time-displaced a number of dinosaurs, including a ''Tyrannosaurus rex'' which [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] fought. When the Autobots tracked the professor down, he held them off by transporting more dinosaurs forward in time, leading them to fight a ''Triceratops''. {{storylink|Time-Quake}}
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===Live-action film series===
[[File:ExtinctionOfTheDinosaurus.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.4|Doesn't look like an ''Iguanodon'' and his adopted family of lemurs can survive ''that''.]]
Approximately 65 million years ago, a mysterious race known only as the [[Creator (AOE)|Creator]]s came to Earth with plans to [[eco-structuring|cyberform]] it using the [[Seed]]s. The native dinosaurs were caught in the blast radius, and while a few escaped, the rest were killed when they were coated with the substance dubbed by humans as [[Living metal|transformium]]. This resulted in the mass extinction of the dinosaurs, which humans would initially believe to have been the work of an asteroid impact. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}}

After being awoken by an [[AllSpark#Live-action movie universe|AllSpark]] fragment, [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]], confused and disoriented, had trouble remembering what his mission profile was. In his confusion, he briefly believed that the Seekers were there to destroy the dinosaurs, but [[Mikaela Banes]] informed him that they were long since dead. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

===''Power Core Combiners''===
[[File:PCC-toy Dinobots.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|More like "Dino-and-one-Synapsid-bots", am I right?]]

The Autobot [[Grimstone (PCC)|Grimstone]], who transforms into a mechanical ''Styracosaurus'', can combine with four drones, a ''Parasaurolophus'', a ''Pachycephalosaurus'', an ''Ankylosaurus'', and one ''Dimetrodon''.
{{Note|The toy box mistakenly identifies Grimstone as a ''Triceratops'' and the ''Dimetrodon'' drone as a ''Spinosaurus''.}}

===''Shattered Glass''===
[[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]], who transforms into a ''Tyrannosaurus'', was created by the heroic Decepticons. He was deactivated by [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]] for being too violent. [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] reactivated him and he joined the Autobots. {{storylink|Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock's profile card}} [[Wheeljack (SG)|Wheeljack]] created the [[Dinobot (SG)|Dinobots]] based on Grimlock's design. Some of these Dinobots were kept by the Decepticons and renamed Dinocons. {{storylink|Dungeons & Dinobots}}

In his search for [[Soundwave (SG)|Soundwave]], [[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]] went to [[Wyatt's Roadsideaganza]], where he mistook two of the displays for real dinosaurs that tried to attack him. He destroyed both displays and some more. {{storylink|The Desert Heat!}}

===Aligned continuity family===
====''Rescue Bots'' cartoon====
[[File:FamilyOfHeroes restored dinosaur.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|"Shhh, it's just napping."]]
The [[Griffin Rock natural history museum]] had a number of robotic dinosaur exhibits {{storylink|Family of Heroes}} which incorporated actual dinosaur DNA. {{storylink|Land Before Prime (episode)|Land Before Prime}} After a fire, [[Charlie Burns|Chief Burns]] and [[Graham Burns|Graham]] were almost crushed when the head fell off one damaged model. The ''Tyrannosaurus rex'', sporting damage that went unnoticed, later went for a stroll and had to be subdued by the [[Rescue Bot]]s before being returned to the exhibit. {{storylink|Family of Heroes}}

[[Ezra Greene|Doc Greene]] later reprogrammed the damaged dino into a butler and dubbed it [[Trex]]. It was used by a [[Thaddeus Morocco|mysterious figure]] to access the island's mainframe and, infected by a virus, it began rampaging through town again. {{storylink|Return of the Dino Bot}}

Some dinosaurs were living in a cavern far below Griffin Rock. Some of them emerged through a sinkhole onto [[Wayward Island]] and were in danger of becoming a tourist attraction before the rescue team was able to send them home, though not before [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] had acquired a ''Tyrannosaurus rex'' alternate mode. {{storylink|Land Before Prime (episode)|Land Before Prime}} When the dino mode resulted in Optimus becoming feral, [[Boulder]] took on a ''Triceratops'' mode in order to test the cure he'd developed. {{storylink|Big Game}} The other Rescue Bots took on dinosaur modes after [[Quint Quarry]] demanded [[Ezra Greene|Doc Greene]] build him dinobots. {{storylink|Quarry's Quarry}}

====''Fall of Cybertron''====
[[Shockwave (WFC)|Shockwave]] was fascinated by the lifeforms he spotted on Earth called dinosaurs, and used them as inspiration for strange experiments where he changed the bodies of [[Grimlock (WFC)|Grimlock]] and the fellow members of his strike team. Once Shockwave was done, the team possessed the ability to transform into dinosaurs! {{storylink|Transformers: Fall of Cybertron}}

====IDW ''Prime'' comics====
Shockwave created organic clones of the same dinosaurs he used as models for the [[Dinobot (FOC)|Dinobots]], and tried using Energon to give them life. However these dino-clones could not survive long in the oxygen-less atmosphere of Cybertron, so Shockwave kept them inside stasis tanks to keep them alive.

Grimlock and [[Swoop (WFC)|Swoop]] found the laboratory Shockwave had stored them in, and the bones of a dino-clone that had already escaped its tank and expired. The two Dinobots subsequently came up against a ''Tyrannosaurus rex'', a ''Stegosaurus'', a ''Triceratops'' and a ''Pteranodon'' as they broke out of the tanks. The attack soon spilled into [[Last Spark]] where the other Dinobots were, but the dino-clones began to combust and soon exploded, leaving nothing behind but a huge puddle of Energon. {{storylink|Beast Hunters issue 3}} {{storylink|Beast Hunters issue 4}}

====2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon====
The [[Dinobot (RID)|Dinobot]]s were a subspecies of Transformer with alternate modes based on dinosaurs, and included [[Grimlock (RID 2015)|Grimlock]] and [[Scowl (RID)|Scowl]]. {{storylink|Similarly Different}}

====IDW ''Robots in Disguise'' comic====
Animatronic dinosaurs were among the many attractions at [[Fun-A-Rama]]. After damaging one of the robotic dinosaurs during a nighttime excursion, Grimlock was forced to masquerade as a replacement for several hours. {{storylink|Fire, When Ready!}}

===Ask Sideways===
[[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] claimed he killed the dinosaurs. What a bastard! {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Sideways, 30/6/2015}}

===''Of Masters and Mayhem''===
Dinosaurs and pterosaurs were among the many anomalous species on [[Chicxulania]]. When a group of Decepticon deserters led by [[Thrashclaw]] decided to live on the planet, they adopted new [[beast mode]]s based on the local dromaeosaurs, which would protect them from [[Energon radiation]]. {{storylink|Life Finds a Way}}

===''Cyberverse'' cartoon===
{{charstubfiction}}

==Notes==
*A number of Transformers, such as [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]], [[Brimstone (Cybertron)|Brimstone]], [[Sling (BWN)|Sling]], [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]], and two thirds of [[Magmatron]], are treated as if they have dinosaur alternate modes and/or are called Dinobots. However, in all cases, these are animals which are either only {{w|pterosaur|closely related}}, {{w|plesiosaur|very distantly related}}, or {{w|pelycosaur|so distantly related it's like saying that you're an ungulate}}. But that's pretty much par for the course when it comes to the casual portrayal of dinosaurs in popular culture, so we're not judging.
**However, other Transformers such as [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]], [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] and [[Squawktalk (G1)|Squawktalk]] ''do'' technically have dinosaur beast modes, as birds are classified as theropod dinosaurs by scientists, but they are not identified as such.
*The consistency of science in the franchise's depiction of dinosaurs has been getting slightly better over the years, but still has many issues. At the very least, the franchise has managed to (mostly) avoid serious failures in research as science progresses; very few dinosaurs have been portrayed as walking upright since G1, for example. ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]'' even gives its ''Psittacosaurus'' quills!

==See also==
* [[Jurassanoid]]

==External links==
*{{w|Dinosaur}} at Wikipedia

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Chop Shop (G1)

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NovaSaber: /* IDW Generation 1 continuity */

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{{disambig2|the Generation 1 Decepticon|the Aligned Decepticon|Chop Shop (RID)}}
:''Chop Shop is a [[Decepticon]] [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:ChopShop MTMTE.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|There's a good chance he stole his body parts.]]
Are you missing a few [[energon]] chips? Wasn't there a photon rectifier on that table a minute ago? Hey, has anyone seen my [[Action Master partner]] recently? And where the heck did our new [[transwarp]] cruiser go?!

If it's not nailed, screwed, bolted, and nano-fused to the ground, chances are good '''Chop Shop''' stole it while you were reading this. The other Decepticons and his fellow [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] are well aware of Chop Shop's skill as a master thief, but they have no idea just how deep the compulsion goes. Chop Shop is a closet {{w|Kleptomania|kleptomaniac}}, compelled to steal—not just from the Autobots, but also from his allies and even from ''himself''! The more difficult it is to steal something, the more Chop Shop feels compelled to rise to the challenge. No piece of equipment or valuable item in Decepticon headquarters is safe when he's around. So far, he's been quick-witted enough to cover his own tracks, but how long his luck holds out, and what his comrades will do when they realize just who's been robbing them blind, is anyone's guess.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics====
{{noteukexclusive|Chop Shop}}

[[File:Uk202timewarsMayhems.JPG|upright=1.1|thumb|There's a very good chance he stole his spot on the [[Mayhem Attack Squad]].]]
Chop Shop was part of the Decepticons' elite [[Mayhem Attack Squad]]. The Mayhems were sent from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] to help the [[Wrecker]]s defeat [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], the latter's presence in his own past causing a time storm that threatened all of reality. However, the sheer power possessed by their targets overwhelmed not only the Mayhems and Wreckers, but a number of other Transformers pulled into the fight as well. Chop Shop was destroyed during this battle, his death convincing Carnivac to retreat from the enemy base. {{storylink|Time Wars}}
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====''Regeneration One''====
{{NoteRG1}}
[[File:LooseEnds1 Soundwave Insecticons.jpg|left|100px|thumb|There's a good chance he stole [[Barrage (Insecticon)|Barrage]].]]
[[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] ordered Chop Shop, [[Venom (G1)|Venom]], and [[Ransack (G1)|Ransack]] to ensure that the [[Skyscorcher]]s, under siege in the [[Pax Cybertronia Decommissioning Depot]] in [[Kalis]], would be "martyrs" to the Neo-Decepticon cause. The three Insecticons infiltrated the depot and eliminated their targets, with Chop Shop taking out [[Windrazor (G2)|Windrazor]] and [[Afterburner (G2)|Afterburner]]. However, they were then surprised in turn by the appearance of the [[Wrecker]]s, who blew in and captured them inside a [[detention-sphere]]. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 1|Loose Ends #1}}
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:Ratbatwarwithin.jpg|thumb|Chop Shop really wants to steal the spotlight from Ratbat right now.]]
8.2 million years ago, Chop Shop participated in [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s assault on [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]. {{storylink|The War Within issue 3|The War Within #3}} During the offensive, he and a few other Decepticons attacked the [[Guardian robot]]s acting as the last line of defense for the [[Decagon]]. {{storylink|The War Within issue 4|The War Within #4}} He presumably retreated with the rest of the Decepticons when [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] activated the planetary engines, devastating the city. {{storylink|The War Within issue 5|The War Within #5}}

7.4 million years ago, Chop Shop joined [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]'s [[Ultracon]]s after the disappearance of Megatron splintered the Decepticons. Along with Ratbat, [[Venom (G1)|Venom]], and [[Ransack (G1)|Ransack]], Chop Shop ambushed and captured [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] in the [[Tagan Heights]]. He suggested that Ratbat kill Springer's [[Wrecker]]s before killing him, to increase his suffering, but Ratbat opted for the more expedient option. The fuel auditor was prevented from carrying that out, however, when a battle between [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] and [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] raged out of control, {{storylink|Escalation}} allowing Springer to escape. Chop Shop and his allies in turn fled the scene, leaving Devastator behind. {{storylink|Devastation}}

Some time later, Chop Shop was involved in a battle against the now-unified [[Autobot]] forces, commanded by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. When the Ultracons were reabsorbed into the Decepticons 6 million years ago, Chop Shop presumably went with them. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath|The Age of Wrath #1}}

Later, after the launch of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'', Chop Shop and a number of his fellow Insecticons were reduced to a vampiric existence, capturing [[Micromaster]]s in the [[Wastelands]] and drinking their [[energon]]. Attacking a group of arguing Micros, {{storylink|Destined for Nothing}} he and his comrades devoured [[Falcon (OC)|Falcon]], but were prevented from capturing the [[Hot Rod Patrol]] and the [[Race Track Patrol]] by the arrivals of [[Groundshaker]] and Shockwave, respectively — although the latter did toss them [[Flanker]] to snack on. {{storylink|The Gray Race}}

As ordered by Shockwave, Chop Shop and his mates attacked [[Little Iacon]], searching for the Hot Rod Patrol—Chop Shop accidentally snagged [[Road Hugger (G1)|Road Hugger]], but was ordered by Venom to throw him back. They eventually landed in the city and recruited the Race Track Patrol to aid them in their search. In the course of the search, Chop Shop stole [[Barrage (Insecticon)|Barrage]]'s sonic rifle. {{storylink|Recipe for Hate}} Taking their charges (and a number of captive Micromasters) back to Decepticon HQ, Chop Shop was deactivated when the Hot Rod Patrol infiltrated the base and opened fire on him. {{storylink|Victims of the Revolution}}
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===''The Battle of the Star Gate''===
When [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] confronted the two [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]]s on the ''[[Trigger]]'', Chop Shop was part of his forces. When the [[Autobot]]s arrived, the [[Decepticon]]s battled them, till the Starscream of the future interrupted the battle by merging with the ''Trigger''. In the ensuing conflict, the ''Trigger'' was destroyed and the Transformers were sent falling to the [[Earth]], becoming lost. {{storylink|The Battle of the Star Gate}}

===IDW 2005 continuity===
:*''First Appearance:'' [[The Hunting Party (IDW)|Spotlight: Thundercracker]]

During the early days of the war, Chop Shop served under [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] as part of a team sent to find the lost [[Titan (group)|Titan]], [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. On the two-hundred-and-thirty-eighth day of this grueling campaign, Chop Shop and his colleagues destroyed a [[Nibarian]] outpost because they believed it was between them and their quarry. A hunch from [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] led them further to a planet inhabited by [[Urtuskian]]s. As Chop Shop and the other Decepticons started obliterating the primitive outpost, believing Metroplex was underneath (and also because it was fun), their team was caught up to by a team of [[Autobot]]s who had been trailing them. Chop Shop and the other the Decepticons retreated without accomplishing their goal. {{storylink|The Hunting Party (IDW)|The Hunting Party}}

[[File:Relunctant Specialist Venom and Chop Shop.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.3|Chop Shop needs to steal Trailbreaker's hiding spot.]]
After the [[Great War (G1)|war]] was over, Chop Shop joined [[Lockdown (G1)|Lockdown]]'s team of [[Titan Hunter]]s. They boarded the ''[[Lost Light]]'' in search of the sloughed-off portion of Metroplex its crew had salvaged, where Venom and Chop Shop found that the only operational crewman was the newly christened [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailcutter]]. Pursuing him into the medibay, Chop Shop was caught off guard and ironically knocked unconscious with the resuscitation pads. Trailcutter then dumped his body at Lockdown's feet in shuttle bay 3 before talking the Decepticons into retreating. {{storylink|The Reluctant Specialist}}

Chop Shop was still working under Lockdown on the supposedly lost [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]], where they discovered a small landing party from the ''Lost Light'' attempting to extract a [[Point One Percenter]] [[spark]] from a giant hot spot. Accusing the interlopers of "trespassing", Lockdown's crew opened fire. {{storylink|Remain in Light 1 of 5: The Fecund Moon|The Fecund Moon}} They chased the "trespassers" into a huge graveyard of deactivated Titans where the Decepticons were easily able to round them all up, then delivered them into the custody of their "crazy boss" Chief Justice [[Solomus|Tyrest]]. {{storylink|Remain in Light 2 of 5: House of Ambus|House of Ambus}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers Legends''===
When it was discovered that [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] had formed the [[Bee Team (G1)|Bee Team]] to strike at Decepticon bases worldwide, Chop Shop and his fellow Insecticons managed to keep the Autobots at bay. {{storylink|The Bee Team}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[File:G1 Chopshop toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|There's a good chance he'll steal this toy from you.]]
*'''Chop Shop''' (Deluxe Insecticon, 1985)
**''Accessories:'' Gun, trident

:Chop Shop is a [[redeco]] of [[#Notes|''Armored Insect Battalion Beetras'' Beet-Gugal]] and transforms into a predominantly brown robotic [[Popular beast alternate modes#Stag beetles (family Lucanidae)|stag beetle]]. His [[robot mode]] carries many of the insect bits over, with the beetle horns rising from each shoulder and insect legs upon both arms. Rather impressively, Chop Shop has a rarity among G1 toys: all six insect legs use [[ball joint]]s in one way or another.

::*''[http://www.transformerland.com/wiki/toy-info/transformers-deluxe-insecticons-chop-shop/901/ Patent info, price guide, and further reading on Chop Shop at Transformerland.com]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Decepticon/ChopShop/chopshop.htm More information on Chop Shop at TFU.info]''
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===Generations===
====Thrilling 30====
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[[File:Generationstoy-T30-LegendsMegatronChopShop.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Look at this tank I stole—oh, whoopsie."]]
*'''Megatron & Chop Shop''' (Legends Class, 2013)
**''Series / Number'': '''02 / #004'''

:Part of the fourth wave of 2012-onwards ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' Legends Class toys, ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#GenerationsLegends|Megatron]] comes with Chop Shop, who can transform into a stag beetle, a robot, a weapon with a 5mm handle, and a mine plow that attaches to the front of Megatron’s tank mode. He features gearing that opens his pinchers when his legs are moved.

:He is admittedly simple, as his transformation from robot to beetle is just placing him flat on his chest.

:This mold was also used to make ''[[Movie Advanced Series]]'' [[Beet-Chop#Movie Advanced Series|Beet-Chop]] and [[BotCon 2015]] [[Beet-Chit#Timelines|Beet-Chit]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/GenLegChopShop/chopshop.htm More information on ''Generations'' Chop Shop at TFU.info]''

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[[File:TTGenerationsTG28MegatronChopShop.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Dressed in black so he is harder to notice while stealing.]]
*'''Megatron & Starscream''' (Multi-pack, 2013-[[December 28|12-28]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TG28'''

:The [[TakaraTomy]] version of Chop Shop is [[redeco]]ed in dark brown to closer resemble his original toy, and features a more visibly-painted eye-visor.

:Megatron and Chop Shop were only available in a two-pack with [[Starscream (G1)/toys#MegatronStarscream2pack|Starscream]] and [[Waspinator (BW)/toys#MegatronStarscream2pack|Waspinator]].

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====Combiner Wars====
[[File:CWLegendsChopShop.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|"Kickback who? I've always had this wave spot."]]
*''' Decepticon Chop Shop''' (Legends Class, 2015)

:Part of the fifth wave of the ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' subline imprint of ''Generations'', Legends Class Chop Shop is a retool of ''Thrilling 30'' [[Shrapnel (G1)#Generations|Skrapnel]] without the [[Reflector (G1)#Generations|Reflector]] Targetmaster, sporting a new head based on the G1 toy. Naturally, he can wield his namesake from the above entries if one chooses to have him do that.

:Chop Shop uses the Movie-style Decepticon insignia.

:The promotional render used for this toy has a darker red like the original toy, whereas the actual figure's colors are lighter. It also shows some extra paint on the legs and chest that the toy does not have.

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==Notes==
[[File:1985MuralDXInsecticons.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
* Chop Shop, like all of the Deluxe Insecticons, was designed and originally produced by [[Takatoku Toys]] for inclusion in their ''Armored Insect Battalion Beetras'' toyline (機甲虫隊ビートラス). Decoed in black and grey, the mold first saw release under the name Beet-Gugal. Takatoku Toys went out of business a short while later in 1984, and their assets were purchased by fellow Japanese toymaker [[Bandai]]. At that time, the American market was one Bandai was not very active in, which made it a competitor of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]], but not of [[Hasbro]]. Due to this, the company had no objection to licensing various Takatoku molds to Hasbro in 1985 for sale primarily in the American market as part of their version of the [[The Transformers (toyline)|''The Transformers'' toyline]]. Nowadays, Bandai has a worthwhile interest in every market and since it only once licensed the molds, there is little likelihood that Chop Shop and company will ever be reissued.
* Since Hasbro and Takara shared the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original ''The Transformers'' cartoon]] as promotional material for their respective versions of the toyline, Chop Shop and the other Deluxe Insecticons were not included in its cast to avoid giving Japanese market-competitor Bandai free publicity. The group was also omitted from the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|U.S. Marvel comics]] and barely appeared in the UK Marvel comics, making them the least "successful" of the Takatoku molds. This trend has continued in fiction since, the team's current highlight being their role in the ''[[Transformers: Micromasters|Micromasters]]'' comic.
* Barrage, Chop Shop, and Venom all appeared in their ''Beetras'' color schemes on Hasbro's 1985 packaging mural, along with several other toys in early or unused color schemes.
* Ironically, Chop Shop was robbed of having a ''[[The Transformers Universe|Transformers Universe]]'' bio! One was written though and finally revealed to the fans on the [http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/12/extended-bios.html ''Disciples of Boltax'' blog] in 2010.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Chop Shop''' (チョップショップ ''Choppu Shoppu'')
*''French:'' '''Trancheur''' (Canada, "Slicer")
*''Mandarin:'' '''Túfū''' (Taiwan, 屠夫, "Butcher")

==External links==
*[http://www.diaclone.net/gattaioh/beet/gugal/index.html Beet-Gugal at Diaclone.net] (Japanese)

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Black Shadow (G1)

2019-03-28T03:35:04Z

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{{Disambigm|Black Shadow (disambiguation)|Sky Shadow (disambiguation)}}
:''Black Shadow is a [[Decepticon]] [[Crossformer]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:G1 BlackShadow boxart.jpg|325px|thumb|Some people call me the Space Gangster/Some call me the Cowboy of Love...]]
Hailing from somewhere beyond the [[Milky Way]] galaxy, '''Black Shadow''' (ブラックシャドー ''Burakku Shadō'', aka '''Sky Shadow''') is a vile gangster whose skills in robbery, extortion and murder are available to anyone who can meet his price. He is loyal only to the highest bidder; even the Decepticons are loath to work with him that often, as they can never be sure he won't betray them in mid-job if he gets a better offer. In jet mode, he can devastate buildings around him with powerful sonic shockwaves by breaking the sound barrier while flying at low altitudes, a technique he calls his "Sonic Boomer Attack".

His partner in crime is [[Blue Bacchus]], a gunman with a similar personality and moral fiber who looks up to him. The pair's partnership has made them infamous throughout space, and there is a massive bounty on their heads, but Black Shadow would actually kill Blue Bacchus without remorse if the situation demanded it.

==Fiction==
===Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''Victory'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Yūji Mikimoto]] (Japanese), [[John Culkin]] (English, Omni Productions dub)}}
[[File:Black shadow cartoon.jpg|left|thumb|225px|I'm a spaaaaace gangster. Bet you weren't ready for that!]]
Black Shadow and his partner, [[Blue Bacchus]], were hired by [[Hellbat (Victory)|Hellbat]] of the [[Breastforce]] to help him loot Planet [[Micro]] of all its energon. While the Crossformers caused massive panic and destruction, Hellbat got a clear run at the energy reserves. The incredible size and power of the Crossformers, especially on a world full of [[Micromaster]]s, made their mission relatively easy, until Governor [[Riker]] called in [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]] to help. [[File:PlanetMicro menacing Crossformers.jpg|thumb|225px|He's space gangstering you with his space gun, making you a space offer you can't space refuse!]] When the Autobot commander arrived to stop the villains during their attack on the [[plasma energy]] plant that provided Micro with a third of all its energy, Black Shadow informed Hellbat that he would need to triple their pay for them to risk their hides in battle with the legendary Star Saber. Hellbat grudgingly agreed, but before the two Crossformers could attack Star Saber, they themselves were attacked by Saber's ally, their former partner in crime, [[Sixshot|Greatshot]], who had reformed and joined the Autobots. At first, the pair seemed to have the six-changer on the ropes, until he used his "Disappearing Dust" technique to get the drop on them and destroy their guns. The pair proved to be no match for Greatshot with their bladed weapons, and he destroyed their outer shells, forcing them to retreat in their small [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]s, vowing revenge. Hellbat joined them in retreat, without any energy to show for his trouble, but the Crossformers insisted that he would still be paying them. {{storylink|Planet Micro - The Mysterious Warrior}}

The Breastforce weren't very happy that Hellbat hired them. {{storylink|Rescue! Guyhawk}}
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====Wars manga====
Hired to work for [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]'s faction of Decepticons by [[Hydra (Masterforce)|Hydra]] and [[Buster (Masterforce)|Buster]], Black Shadow and [[Blue Bacchus]] joined [[Darkwings]] in attacking the [[Second Army]] led by [[Goshooter]] so they could acquire the [[transtector]] factory in [[G Nebula 89]]. Thanks to Goshooter and [[Shūta Gō]], the Decepticons were repelled. {{storylink|Train Wars: Goshooter & Shūta Gō Chapter}}

===''TransTech''===
[[File:BlackShadowHubcap GoneTooFar.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|Right here, his inner robot has already appeared as often as [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]'s.]]
Black Shadow was a resident of [[Axiom Nexus]], performing manual labor for [[Cryotek (TransTech)|Cryotek]] at [[The Blue Deployer]] and... other work as came up from time to time. When [[Gutcruncher (G1)|Gutcruncher]] started stirring up the Offworlder population for a revolt against the [[Transcendent Technomorph|TransTechs]], Black Shadow was hired to eliminate the rabble-rouser. At Gutcruncher's rally, Black Shadow assassinated the mech with a photon charge through the central cortex, killing him instantly. Also, thanks to his stealth field and deliberate positioning, he was able to frame two newly arrived Autobots named [[Jackpot (G1)|Jackpot]] and [[Hubcap (G1)|Hubcap]] for the murder.

Black Shadow monitored the patsies to make sure they didn't implicate him somehow, and he was overjoyed when they "showed" their guilt by escaping from the police. Taking advantage of the situation, Black Shadow planned to execute the duo to cover his tracks and collect on the bounty Gutcruncher's pals had taken out on the "assassins". He gloated openly about his schemes to the two Autobots, until they split up and scampered, hoping he couldn't follow them both. Well, he could—Black Shadow split from his [[Crossformer]] shell and took off after both Autobots. However, Hubcap ultimately outsmarted the Decepticon. The little Autobot used his speakers to draw as much attention as possible to their chase. Then, when Gutcruncher's flunky [[Dirge (Timelines)|Dirge]] and a pack of [[Malignus (G1)|Malignus Revolutionaries]] responded, Hubcap played back a recording of Black Shadow's gloating admission of the crime for all to hear. One more fancy bit of wordplay tricked the Crossformer into admitting his photon charges killed Gutcruncher, and the verdict was in. The Malignus Revolutionary Army and their [[Gigantion]] buddy [[Menasor (Cybertron)|Menasor]] ended Black Shadow's existence very quickly. At the same time, a mysterious capsule of [[Scraplet]] digestive acid went off in Black Shadow's shell, saving Jackpot's life and preventing any information from being recovered from the shell's CPU. Black Shadow's own head (and therefore his datatrax) also went missing in the melee after his death... almost as if someone was covering their tracks... {{storylink|Gone Too Far}}

He was later mentioned by Cryotek when he was questioned by [[Cheetor (TransTech)|Cheetor]] about [[Comet]], saying that he "couldn't give him Black Shadow's old job in the loading docks."
{{storylink|Withered Hope}}
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===IDW 2005 continuity===
:*''First Appearance:'' [[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 2|Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers #2]]

[[File:LastStandoftheWreckers2-teleconference.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Space mafia? More like space ''cheerleader'', amirite?]]
Black Shadow was one of the first Decepticons that [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] selected for a torturous upgrade process that would transform him into a planet-devastating superwarrior. With an infusion of [[ununtrium]] rendering him virtually indestructible, Black Shadow became part of a small group known as the "[[Warriors Elite]]" that also came to include [[Sixshot]] and [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}} He and the other Warriors Elite were at the [[Battle for Hell's Point]] and were confronted by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]]. {{storylink|The Gloaming}} At the height of the war, Megatron chose to repurpose the Warriors Elite as "[[Phase Sixer]]s", who would enact the doomsday protocols called for by the sixth and final phase of his new [[infiltration protocol]]. Informed of this via teleconference with their leader, Black Shadow and Sixshot were excited to serve the Decepticons in this expanded capacity, but Overlord chafed. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 2|Last Stand of the Wreckers #2}}

[[File:RulesofDisengagement-BlackShadowvsWreckers.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|I sprouted wings at some point.]]
Black Shadow's exploits were notorious, and were among the prominent highlights of the Great War [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]] recalled when he educated [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] on the war's history. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|The Chaos of Warm Things}} Said exploits included his single-handedly murdering three billion inhabitants of [[Rigel IV]], a battle with the [[Wrecker]]s during which he killed three of them and dismembered their leader [[Hyperion (G1)|Hyperion]], and his massacre of 3,003 members of the Autobots' [[113th Battalion]], an encounter that saw him personally best [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]].

[[File:Tarn BlackShadow RulesofDisengagement.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Not everyone responds well to ASMR...]]
However loyal Black Shadow was to the Decepticon cause, though, he was more loyal to wealth, and he accepted half a billion [[Shanix]] from the Autobots to turn on the Decepticons' fleet of [[Warworld|War Worlds]]. News of his betrayal reached the [[Decepticon Justice Division]], and eventually they caught him and he found himself at their mercy. He was melted by [[Helex (DJD)|Helex]], lost his legs to [[Tesarus (DJD)|Tesarus]], was electrocuted by [[Kaon (DJD)|Kaon]], and was ultimately talked to death by [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]], his [[spark]] exploding spectacularly as he expired. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}}
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===''Titans Return'' marketing material===
Sky Shadow was a thief partnered with the [[Titan Master]] [[Ominus]]. With Ominus's hacking ability, no system in the galaxy was safe from them. {{storylink|#TitansReturn|''Titans Return'' Ominus/Sky Shadow toy bio}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
[[File:BattleTacticsSkyShadow.jpg|thumb|"I'm going to become a Gang-Star!".|300px]]

Sky Shadow participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of him! He was a Rare character who could be recruited by collecting 100 units of Cybermetal, 50 units of Transmetal, and 30 exclusive cores. {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}

===''Transformers Legends''===
Black Shadow, on the run from the Decepticon Justice Division for taking bribes from the Autobots, fled to the planet Clemency. There, he met up with a group of Decepticon scavengers. The DJD soon found them, and though Black Shadow put up a valiant fight, he and the scavengers were soon killed by the DJD. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (Legends)|Rules of Disengagement}}
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==Toys==
===Victory===
[[File:Victory-toy BlackShadow.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|He may not be a mafioso, but he'll still cut off your horse's head.]]
*'''Black Shadow''' (Crossformer, [[1989]])
**''Japanese ID number'': '''D-309'''
**''Accessories'': Crossformer shell, 2 large rifles, small rifle

:Black Shadow is a [[retool]]ing of the [[Hasbro]] [[Pretender]] [[Thunderwing (G1)#Generation 1|Thunderwing]], transforming into a Cybertronic jet. His outer Crossformer shell's chestplate/head piece is retooled from Thunderwing's to make it more robotic. However, it still transforms into a larger Cybertronic jet like the original version. The inner vehicle can be attached underneath the nose of the larger vehicle to create a combined starship mode. All three of his guns can be mounted on his shell's [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1989/Destron/BlackShadow/blackshadow.htm More information on Black Shadow at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://tfbaka.de-blog.jp/1dai/2008/10/post_cf3c.html Gallery of Black Shadow at Transformers Baka Ichidai]''
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===Generations===
[[File:Gen-toy SkyShadow.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Once a retool, always a retool...]]
*'''Sky Shadow''' (Deluxe Class, [[2011]])
**''Accessories'': 2 missile launchers, 2 missiles, recon drone

:Part of the final ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' wave in 2011 (alongside [[Junkyard (G1)#Generations|Junkheap]]), "Sky Shadow" is a retool of [[Thunderwing (G1)#Generations|Thunderwing]], featuring a new head and chest piece based on the ''Victory'' cartoon's design. He transforms into a fighter jet loosely based on an [[United States Air Force#F-22 Raptor|F-22 Raptor]] but with different wings, yet retaining the F-22's characteristic zigzag "stealth" patterns. The nose of the jet can detach and become a separate aerial drone, while the two missile launchers can detach from the wings and become hand-held weapons or clip together into one massive gun. The middle sections of the sculpted missiles on the sides of the guns are also compatible with [[C joint]] accessories.

:Sky Shadow was originally "leaked" via Thunderwing's instructions, as they initially depicted him with Sky Shadow's head and chest. A [[Variant|running change]] version of the instructions depicts Thunderwing's own head, but keeps Sky Shadow's chest unchanged.

:This mold was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 toyline)|Adventure]]'' [[Black Shadow (Adventure)#Toys|Black Shadow]] and differently retooled into ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' [[Metalhawk (Masterforce)#Timelines|Metalhawk]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Decepticon/SkyShadow/skyshadow.htm More information on ''Generations'' Sky Shadow at TFU.info]''

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====Titans Return====
[[File:TF-Generations-Titans-Return-Leader-Sky-Shadow.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|...except for when he's a pretool]]
*'''Ominus & Sky Shadow''' (Leader Class, [[2017]])
**''Accessories:'' Gun, [[Ominus#Toys|Ominus]] Titan Master

:''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' Sky Shadow is a new Leader-sized mold consisting of two vehicles, a tank and a jet, which are able to combine together to form a robot mode or a base mode. The barrel of his tank mode becomes a gun for his robot mode, and he also comes with a "shield" that he can hold or peg onto his arm which fulfills the role of his original toy's inner robot in jet mode, attaching under his nosecone. The two accessories can combine to form a larger weapon, which seats a [[Titan Master]] and can plug into other Leader Class figures' base modes as a turret (Sky Shadow's own base mode lacks the clearance to accommodate it). In base mode he can connect to other Leader Class figure's base modes and Titan Class figures and by way of fold-out connectors on what were his robot mode feet and on an additional connector on the back of the base mode.

:Sky Shadow is a [[Retool|premold]] of [[Overlord (Masterforce)#Generations|Overlord]], who was released in the following wave of Leader Class figures, and was separately retooled into ''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' [[Dai Atlas (Zone)#Legends|Dai Atlas]]. He would have been redecoed as [[Megatron (Armada)|''Energon'' Megatron]] with Titan Master Leader-1 from [[Swoop (G1)/toys#Titans Return|Ptero]] with the face of [[Ominus]] as a 2017 BotCon exclusive that never came to be.

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==Notes==
*In Japanese, Black Shadow's function reads "''Uchū Gyangu''" (宇宙ギャング), which translates to "Space Gangster". The [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers|common misconception]] that he is a member of the "Space Mafia" is due to a mistranslation some years ago in which "{{w|gangster}}" was interpreted as "{{w|Mafia}}". Big difference.
*The Crossformers' ID numbers are a huge jump ''backwards'' in the numbering system. The other ''Victory'' Decepticons' numbers start at D-322. However, Shadow and Bacchus' D-309 and D-310 put them right in the middle of the ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#1988 (Super-God Masterforce)|Super-God Masterforce]]'' Decepticons' numbers, between [[1988]]'s [[Browning]] and [[Scorponok (G1)|BlackZarak]], even though the Crossformers were released in [[1989]]. What the hell?
*While "Sky Shadow" is the name of the first ''Generations'' figure on its card and elsewhere, [[Walmart]]'s product database listed the figure as "BLCKSHAD" and printed as such on the receipt.

===Foreign names===
*''English:'' '''Thunderwing''' ([[Omni Productions]] dub)
*''Mandarin:'' '''Hēi Yǐng''' (黑影, "Black Shadow"), '''Tiān Yǐng''' (天影, "Sky Shadow")
*''Russian:'' '''Gromovoy''' (Громовой, "Thunderous")

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Alpha Trion/Generation 1

2019-03-28T03:33:35Z

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:''Alpha Trion is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:AlphaTrionG1-Legendsartclean.jpg|300px|right|thumb|I'm sure I'm just a wise old sage and nothing any more complicated or cosmic than that!]]
'''Alpha Trion''' is one of the oldest living Transformers, and with that age comes a nuanced understanding of his race and their place within the universe. In his youth, he went by the name '''A-3''', and in this time, he helped lead the enslaved Cybertronians in their rebellion against their cruel masters, the [[Quintesson]]s. As a result, he was instrumental in first establishing [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] as an independent planet.

In his older years, he has found a comfortable role in serving as advisor to other Transformers. Though not taking part in the battles of the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], he is firmly on the side of the Autobots, serving as a mentor and guide, especially to [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]]. He is an enigmatic old robot, though he is known to be the guardian of [[Vector Sigma]] and the custodian of its [[Key to Vector Sigma|circuit key]]. His sage-like manner paints him in almost a mystic tone, and possible connections between Alpha Trion, [[Primus]], and the history of Cybertron itself have boosted him into legendary status.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[John Stephenson]] (English), [[Corey Burton]] (English, "War Dawn"), [[Tony Pope]] (English, "Forever Is a Long Time Coming"), [[Osamu Saka]] (Japanese), [[Toshio Ishii]] (Japanese, "War Dawn"), [[Hiroshi Naka]] (Japanese, "The Rebirth")|[[Chen Chun]] (Chinese), [[Wolfgang Mascher]] (German, "The Return of Optimus Prime" pt. 2 and "The Rebirth" pt. 2), [[Alejandro Abdalah]] (Latin American Spanish)}}

[[File:YoungA3.jpg|left|thumb|Silverbolt never misses a chance to check out A-3's rugged mustache.]]
11 million years ago, a mechanoid named A-3 was part of the [[Autobot Rebellion|rebellion]] against the [[Quintesson]]s on a [[Cybertron (planet)|factory world]], creating a device called the [[Coder Remote]] that would stop their [[Dark Guardian]]s. Due to a timerift created by Quintessons from the future, he was briefly pulled from his position in the [[Empty Lands]] into the year 2006. Fortunately, his partner [[Beta (G1)|Beta]] managed to start the rebellion as scheduled, and A-3 was soon returned by future [[Autobot]]s to fulfill his role in Cybertronian history. {{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming (episode)|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}

[[File:Alphatrionagesbackwards.jpg|thumb|He grew a beard, picked up the Matrix, shaved his beard, and then built Optimus, apparently.]]
Years later, he would be given the [[Matrix of Leadership]] by the dying [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], but Alpha Trion himself did not become Autobot leader. It would sit in his possession, unused, until the coming of the next Autobot leader. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}} In the meantime, Alpha Trion developed plans to rebuild Autobots to better combat the escalating [[Decepticon]] menace.

The next Autobot leader would actually come to ''him'' when a [[Aerialbot (G1)|group of time-travelers]] lugged a dying youth named Orion Pax to his repair center. Reluctant at first, Alpha Trion sensed a strong spirit in Orion Pax, and decided to rebuild him entirely... into [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]. When Prime asked if Alpha Trion could rebuild his fallen girlfriend Ariel as well, Alpha Trion agreed, and mused that [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] would be a good name for a female warrior. {{storylink|War Dawn (episode)|War Dawn}}

[[File:AlphaTrion.jpg|left|thumb|Alpha Trion has secret liquor stashes in the strangest of places.]]

Over the intervening millennia, Alpha Trion's two greatest creations, whether by design or coincidence, forgot their relationship to the ancient Autobot. Five million years after his creation, Optimus Prime was lost when his spacecraft crash-landed on prehistoric Earth, but Alpha Trion kept in contact with Elita One, acting as a sagely advisor to her team of [[Female Autobots]] as they spent the following four million years stealing [[energon]] from [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. Eventually, in the Earth year 1985, Shockwave caught the Female Autobots in the act and tracked them back to their headquarters, prompting Elita One to consult with Alpha Trion on a course of action. Trion suggested they move their headquarters, telling Elita to scout for a new location alone, but in the event that she encountered the Decepticons, warned her not to use her life-draining time-freezing power. Alas, Elita was captured, and used by the Decepticons to lure Optimus Prime into a trap. To save her beloved's life, Elita used her fatal power, and the Autobot leader was forced to track Alpha Trion to [[Alpha Trion's base‎|his secret base]] in hopes that he could save her. Alpha Trion repaired her to the best of his ability, but revealed to Optimus Prime that only Prime could save Elita by interfacing to her with his power filter. An astonished Optimus Prime stated that only his creator could know that! {{storylink|The Search for Alpha Trion}}

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A short time later, while he was looking for a [[10.2 ultra-drill|misplaced tool]], Alpha Trion was attacked in his workshop by [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] and his Decepticons, who demanded that he hand over the [[Key to Vector Sigma]]. Trion pled ignorance, but Megatron knew better, and the elderly Autobot was soon overpowered while the Decepticons made off with the key. Alpha Trion was rescued from the chunk of metal the Decepticons left him stuck in by Optimus Prime and the Autobots, and after his injuries were repaired by [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], he journeyed with them into Cybertron's depths, leading the way to Vector Sigma's chamber. Their way, however, was barred by [[Centurion droid]]s that Megatron used the Key to command, and Alpha Trion helped reactivate some discarded worker robots to fight the droids off. The droids had done their job, however, and prevented the Autobots from reaching Megatron before he used Vector Sigma to bring his newest Decepticons, the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] to life. To combat these new land-based Decepticons, Optimus Prime hit on the idea of creating some new aerial Autobots, and Alpha Trion set to work reconstructing some Cybertronian aircraft. {{storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1}} When the work was done, Alpha Trion professed that he had another key to Vector Sigma "on him," and he would use it to reactivate the computer so that it could bring the jets to life. His "key," however, was his own life force: as a first generation product of Vector Sigma, his computation matrix could interface with the computer and bring it back online, at the cost of his own continued existence. Optimus Prime tried to stop him, but Alpha Trion refused to listen, reminding Prime that he was his creator and insisting that the jets were more important that he was. Prime relented, and Alpha Trion merged with Vector Sigma, which activated and brought the new [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] to life. Before Prime and the Autobots departed for Earth, Alpha Trion spoke to them through Vector Sigma, warning them of a fact merging with the computer had revealed to him: on Earth, the Key to Vector Sigma had even greater power. {{storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2}}

Many years later, when the [[Hate Plague]] was raging throughout the universe in the year 2006, Optimus Prime entered the Matrix to consult the ancient Autobots within on a possible cure. Alpha Trion was the first Prime spoke to, but he had no information to give, save a warning that Prime should take care on his journey into the Matrix, lest he be unable to return. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2}}

The following year, after the Decepticons stole the [[Key to the Plasma Energy Chamber]], Optimus Prime used the Matrix to reactivate Vector Sigma so that he could converse with Alpha Trion, hoping that the old sage knew something more about what was going on. Alpha Trion revealed to Prime that Vector Sigma had ''allowed'' [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] to become aware of the key's existence, as the chamber was key to the dawning of a new [[Golden Age]] for Cybertron... as was the merging of an [[Cerebros (G1)|Autobot]]'s life with that of a [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|human]]'s. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 2}} Alpha Trion appeared to Optimus one final time, urging him to preserve the key at all costs, as it would be vital in fulfilling Vector Sigma's prophecy. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
{{voiceactor|[[Masaharu Satō]] (Japanese)}}
{{note|The events of the Generation 1 cartoon occur in the Japanese timeline as described above, except that the events of 2006 take place instead in 2010, and "The Rebirth" does not occur. Japanese continuity inserts many additional stories into the timeline, only one of which features Alpha Trion.}}

[[File:AlphaTrionGhost.jpg|thumb|Alpha Trion's Spooooooky Ghost]]
In the year 2011, one year after Optimus Prime released the energy of the Matrix to cure the Hate Plague, Vector Sigma began to destabilize as a result. Optimus Prime voyaged into the planet's depths to try and bring the computer back under control, but the mission seemed doomed to failure, as he did not have the Matrix to help him. While the other Autobots searched Earth for the Matrix, which had been hidden away to recharge, the spectral form of Alpha Trion appeared to Optimus Prime to help lead him through the many dangers blocking the path to Vector Sigma's chamber. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} When they finally reached their goal, however, it turned out the Decepticons had beaten them there. [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] was not far behind, with the recovered Matrix in his grasp, and when the young Autobot arrived, Alpha Trion instructed him to hold the talisman aloft. Trion's ethereal form flowed into the Matrix, completing its recharging process and transforming [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] back into Rodimus Prime, who joined Optimus in thrashing the Decepticons. {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}
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=====Wars manga=====
The incorporeal Alpha Trion sensed a threat to [[Vector Sigma]] from inside the Matrix, and rematerialized on the physical plane to address the problem. He discovered [[The Fallen]] attempting to steal and assume the power of Vector Sigma for himself. Downplaying his own importance, Alpha Trion attempted to advise [[Shouki]] and the other Autobot defenders present. {{storylink|Train Wars}}

Upon recovering Vector Sigma from the Fallen, Alpha Trion once again sacrificed his physical form to merge with Vector Sigma, giving it the drive necessary to reformat Shouki into a "train bazooka" mode, powerful enough to defeat the Fallen. {{storylink|Train Wars 2}}

=====''G-2'' story pages=====
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When Optimus Prime was fatally injured in battle with Megatron, the spirits of Alpha Trion and former leaders residing within the Matrix activated its [[Reconfiguration Matrix]] mechanism, reviving Prime as Battle Convoy. {{storylink|Transformers: G-2 (story page)|G-2 Part 5}}
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=====''Legends'' comic=====
Alpha Trion and the Matrix—possibly the Reconfiguration Matrix again—had a hand in Rodimus Prime's transformation into a [[Micromaster]]. {{storylink|Transformers 2015 Tailgate/G1 Micron Chapter|Tailgate/G1 Micron Chapter}}

To counter the rise of [[Galvatron II]], Battle Convoy contacted the spirit of Alpha Trion within the Matrix and requested his help in reviving [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]]. Locating Magnus among the spirits of former leaders residing in the Matrix, Trion convinced him he was needed in the world of the living and entered his chest, using his unique connection with the Matrix to act as a substitute Matrix and bring both himself and Magnus back to life. Trion was restored in a tiny body that popped out of Magnus's chest. {{storylink|LG14 Ultra Magnus Prologue#Resurrection Chapter|Resurrection Chapter}} Granted the ability to predict the future by his merging with Vector Sigma, Alpha Trion then foresaw that Megatron would return to his evil ways in the [[Legends World]] he had settled in. Seeking to stop this, the sage himself traveled to this other universe, using his diminutive body to disguise himself as a janitor at the [[Axalon Trading Company]] while waiting for Megatron to make his move. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 14|Bonus Edition Vol. 14}}

When the employees of Axalon Co. got curious about Metroplex—who'd ended up as their new office building after getting summoned into the Legends Universe—Alpha Trion taught them about the city-bot's past. He accidentally blew his cover by explaining he knew this much because he was from "the other world", though fortunately(?) the employees wrongly assumed he meant the world of the dead. {{storylink|LG14 Ultra Magnus Prologue#The Mysterious Knowledgeable Grandpa Chapter|The Mysterious Knowledgeable Grandpa Chapter}} Alpha Trion was present when Megatron made his move, teaming up with [[Megatron (Armada)|Armada Megatron]] to conquer the Legends World. {{storylink|LG14 Ultra Magnus Prologue#The Autumn Megatron Festival Chapter|The Autumn Megatron Festival Chapter}} In response, he cast his disguise aside and used an [[10.2 ultra-drill|ultra-drill]] to summon Ultra Magnus from their home universe. At first Magnus told Trion to get back in his chest, but the sage assured him he no longer needed Trion's Matrix power but had to rely on his own strength. After the Megatrons were defeated by Magnus, Alpha Trion confirmed to a curious [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] that he could indeed predict the future, and had had a vision of the imminent arrival of [[Nightbird (G1)|Nightbird Shadow]], [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], and [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]] as well. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 14|Bonus Edition Vol. 14}}

Alpha Trion later confirmed to a curious Rattrap that his new body was a [[Mini-Con]]-type one, though he got defensive when asked to display the third weapon mode Mini-Cons are supposed to have. Transforming into his hovercar mode, he claimed it was ''clearly'' a shield and displayed its usefulness by shielding Ultra Magnus from a barrage of lasers. Unfortunately his size meant he only took a fraction of the blasts, and Magnus was gunned down. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Sequel#Alpha Trion Chapter|Alpha Trion Chapter}} Armada Megatron later bought an Ultra Magnus toy in order to examine it for the Autobot's weaknesses, defending his purchase of a non-Mini-Con toy to [[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Armada Starscream]] by pointing out the Alpha Trion accessory. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Sequel#Armada Megatron Chapter|Armada Megatron Chapter}}

Thanks to Alpha Trion's premonitions, the Autobots were prepared for Slipstream's arrival in the Legends World and easily defeated her. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 16|Bonus Edition Vol. 16}} While doing janitor work at [[Tera-Kura Co.]], he overheard Megatron talk about his plan to steal energy from people, and summoned [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] into the Legends World as reinforcement. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 17|Bonus Edition Vol. 17}} When [[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Armada Starscream]] attempted to sacrifice himself to prevent [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] from destroying the Legends World, Alpha Trion opened a portal to Starscream's home universe and brought forth [[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]] to stop him. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 18|Bonus Edition Vol. 18}}

Alpha Trion was later contacted by the [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] of his home universe, who requested to be brought to the Legends World. {{storylink|LG19 Sprung Prologue}} Following Springer's arrival, Trion had his ultra-drill stolen by a jealous [[Tigatron]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 19|Bonus Edition Vol. 19}} He was later caught up in Megatron's attack on the city when the Decepticon briefly returned to being Galvatron. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 23|Bonus Edition Vol. 23}} Aware that Alpha Trion contained the power of the Matrix, [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] had [[Scourge (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Scourge]] capture the sage as part of a bid to take over Tera-Kura, but he was freed when the Matrix energies overloaded and exploded Scourge's [[transtector]]. He went on to teach Scourge and his [[Sweep (G1)|Sweeps]] how to be proper janitors. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 26|Bonus Edition Vol. 26}} When Tera-Kura purchased Metroplex from Axalon, Alpha Trion joined the Decepticon company so that he could stay with Metroplex. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 31|Bonus Edition Vol. 31}}

Alpha Trion was pretty careless with his ultra-drill; after Tigatron, it was also stolen by [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 33|Bonus Edition Vol. 33}} and [[Weirdwolf (G1)|Weirdwolf]] to serve their own needs. {{storylink|LG-43 Trypticon Project Chapter}} He was present when [[Ginrai (human)|God Ginrai]] tried to force his way into Tera-Kura Co., {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 42|Bonus Edition Vol. 42}} and later had his drill nabbed again by [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Magna Convoy)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}} When Weirdwolf's Decepticon faction attacked Tera-Kura to nab Metroplex's [[transformation cog]], Alpha Trion did his best to fight off [[Apeface]]. {{storylink|LG43 Trypticon Mobilization Chapter: Decepticon Civil War|Decepticon Civil War}} Weirdwolf used the cog to rebuild [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]], so Trion responded by summoning [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]], who had previously bested the monster. Following Trypticon's defeat, he also called for the [[Disaster Relief Team]] to rebuild [[Akihabara]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 43|Bonus Edition Vol. 43}} Alpha Trion was later kidnapped by [[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]], [[Triggerhappy (G1)|Triggerhappy]] and [[Misfire (G1)|Misfire]], who forced him to summon the six [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]] partners lost in the G1 World. He did as instructed only to find that the Targetmasters were emitting lethal amounts of [[plasma energy]], so he instead put the drill in reverse and scattered the six across the Legends World for everyone's safety. {{storylink|Mutant Targetmaster Birth Chapter}}

During a battle between Ultra Magnus and [[Sixshot]], Alpha Trion entered Magnus's chest to lend him his power. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 50|Bonus Edition Vol. 50}} He contacted the [[Wrecker]]s for help when the city came under attack from a [[Zamojin (species)|Zamojin]]-controlled Windblade. {{storylink|Jumpstarter Chapter|LG65 Twin Twist Prologue}} During the battle with [[Majin Zarak]], whom fate decreed could not be destroyed, Alpha Trion hooked his ultra-drill up to [[Twin Twist]]'s Drill Base in order to generate a giant portal that Zarak could be pushed through. Megatron then had him open portals all over the Legends World so the doomed world's citizens could be evacuated to the G1 World. {{storylink|Targetmaster Chapter Finale: Legends World in Imminent Danger! Part Two|Legends World in Imminent Danger! Part Two}}

====''Wings Universe''====
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After the ''[[Van De Graaff]]'' was shot down on [[Beta-Nine]], the proemial Alpha Unit of the [[Elite Guard]] managed to retrieve its cargo. The [[Matrix of Leadership|mysterious item]] was then delivered by [[Magnum]] to its custodian, Alpha Trion. {{storylink|Wings of Honor}}

Over the next ten years, the Decepticon insurrection became more fierce. Councilor Magnum continued to champion his Elite Guard, a series of strike teams dedicated to hunting down the [[Decepticon Warlord]]s to cut the many heads off the serpent. Councilor Alpha Trion, however, favored his own Prime Initiative, a general of sorts who would oversee the entire Autobot army as a unified force against the Decepticons. {{Storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 2}}

Despite their political differences, Alpha Trion and Magnum worked together as the situation called for it. When a group of civilian scientists and historians needed demolitions assistance at a dig site in [[Median]], Alpha Trion requested the help of Magnum's Elite Guard for the job. Of course, he neglected to mention some of the finer points of the mission, but such is politics. {{storylink|Flames of Yesterday}}

After [[Dion (G1)|Dion]] and [[Magnum]] were injured in a Decepticon attack, they were taken to Alpha Trion. He was only able to save one of them, rebuilding the survivor into [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]]. As the war drained Cybertron's energy to dangerously low levels, Optimus left the planet on a mission to find more energy. Alpha Trion prepared stasis pods within which most of the remaining Autobot population would hibernate. As they placed the other Autobots in the pods, he warned [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] that remaining online during periods of low energy as he intended to do would greatly accelerate the aging process. {{storylink|Battle Lines, Part 6}}

When Optimus Prime and the other Autobots aboard the Ark were considered lost, Alpha Trion set about uniting the divided Cybertronian through other means. Using the remains of a Decepticon deep-space shuttle, he built [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] and brought him to life with the power of Vector Sigma, instructing the super-computer to imbue him with a need to unite Cybertron under one banner. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 44|''Wings Universe'' Jhiaxus profile}}

Centuries later, after the [[Great Reformatting]], [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] dedicated himself to interfacing with the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]] in search of guidance from [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]]. After many failed attempts, Cheetor finally succeeded, instead meeting with Alpha Trion. Trion told Cheetor of his true destiny: to lead Cybertron into a new age of peace. Cheetor accepted his destiny and thus merged with Alpha Trion, becoming Alpha Trizer. {{storylink|Hoist the Flag|Alpha Trizer's profile}} In [[2984]] C.E. as Alpha Trizer engaged in combat against the [[Star Seeker]]s, the faces of Optimus Primal and Alpha Trion flashed through his mind. {{storylink|Hoist the Flag}}

====''Deviations''====
In an alternate timeline where [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] killed [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] in the [[Battle of Autobot City]], [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] ended up sacrificing himself to defeat [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megascream]] and [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]]. In the following [[Autobot]] celebration, Optimus Prime saw a vision of Alpha Trion and Rodimus Prime as equals within the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] and swore to never question its ways. {{Storylink|Transformers: Deviations|Deviations}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Letters page continuity====
[[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] said that the events of "War Dawn" sounded like it happened, though he'd "never heard of this Alpha Trion character but then who am I?" {{storylink|Flashback!|268's Dread Tidings}}

===3H comics===
[[File:DepartureBetrayal-AlphaTrion.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|Alpha Trion was various lions for all of two seconds, in one person's mind.]]
In the distant past, during the Cybertronians' rebellion against their Quintesson oppressors, A-3's mettle was tested in an encounter with a [[Dark Guardian]]. {{storylink|Disclosure}}

During [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s rule of Cybertron, Alpha Trion was seemingly resurrected and/or reformatted as a lion by the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]] to guide [[Primal Prime]] and his [[Wrecker]] in much the same way as he aided many previous Autobot leaders. {{storylink|Departure}} It is unclear whether this new form ever existed physically; its only appearance was as a vision in Primal Prime's head. {{storylink|Betrayal}} The ancient Autobot reached out and made contact with Primal Prime's spark, but his messages came through garbled and incomplete. Of the small amount of information he was able to transmit to Primal Prime was the fact that the Wreckers should believe in Primus's vision, and that their creator sometimes worked in mysterious ways... {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}

[[File:Alphatrionuniverse.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|He said he was reformatted into a [[beast mode]], but he was lyin'.]]
Alpha Trion did not make a physical appearance after this enigmatic reintroduction until [[Unicron]] posed a new threat to the balance of the multiverse. Alpha Trion, though technically still merged with [[Primus]]/[[Vector Sigma]]/Whatever, was again in his original body (but now with a cape!). He/they pulled Cybertron's greatest hero, [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]], back from the dead in order to rescue recently abducted Cybertronians from the center of the Chaos Bringer. {{storylink|Abduction}}

Thoug Primal was at first taken aback by the enormity of the task he had been assigned, Alpha Trion's pontification goaded him on in accepting the mission. When Primal succeeded at this monumental task, {{storylink|Escape (Universe)|Escape}} he confronted the [[Maximal Elder]]s with one of his overblown speeches and was thrown in jail. Alpha Trion sent [[Snarl (BM)|Snarl]] to stage a small rescue of his own, and Primal was returned to the center of Cybertron. Here, Alpha Trion presented Primal with a window into the past, present, and future of the [[Transformer afterlife|Allspark]], from which he could pluck any warrior, whether they be living or dead. Primal chose [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depthcharge]] and [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]], the former of whom rejected Primal's calling. Alpha Trion quieted Primal's disappointment, letting Depthcharge go, expecting him to return of his own accord. To take his place, Alpha Trion pulled [[Omega Prime]] from [[Viron 903.0 Beta|a Viron universe]]. {{storylink|Homecoming (Universe)|Homecoming}}
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:Alphatriondw.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Most people kill their prizes before hanging them on their wall. Shockwave is not most people.]]
Eons ago, Alpha Trion kept watch over the Transformers when Primus entered his eternal sleep to hide Cybertron from Unicron. However, a nomadic alien race eventually conquered Cybertron, and Alpha Trion was forced into hiding. Thousands of Transformers were slaughtered, and Alpha Trion was unable to act. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}} Alpha Trion performed actions that would make him known as the savior of his race. {{storylink|Cold War (issue)|Cold War}}

Alpha Trion was attached to the supercomputer Vector Sigma, and was its caretaker from the [[Golden Age]] to the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]]. He was considered the only Transformer capable of accessing all of the computer's functions. In his position, he disagreed with the [[Council of Ancients]]' esoteric mysticism, wishing to make the Transformers' place in the cosmos more known. {{Storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye #8}} Despite this, he was a secret guiding force behind the Council and its selection of Primes. He was fond of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], both with whom he had a special bond. {{Storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye #1}}

After the [[Great Shutdown]], [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] was awakened. Soon after, he met [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], who somehow led the [[Decepticon]] to Alpha Trion. Alpha Trion was incapacitated and hung on a wall in Shockwave's laboratory for analysis, to assist Shockwave in his attempt to control Vector Sigma. The ancient Cybertronian constantly foiled his attempts to analyze him; nevertheless, Shockwave swore that the savior of their race would become its "greatest destroyer". {{storylink|Cold War (issue)|Cold War}} As Shockwave's plans reached fruition, the last remaining "ancient program" for him to decode was Alpha Trion. However, Shockwave's machinations were foiled by his apparent and untimely demise. {{storylink|Revelation (War and Peace)|Revelation}}

Alpha Trion's last days were recorded to be deep within Cybertron, preparing the Transformers and Cybertron for their darkest hour. {{Storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye #1}}

===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[File:Historyofcybertron.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Trukk... and munky?]]
When [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]] downloaded some of [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s memories, he saw Alpha Trion and his role in the [[Cybertronian Civil Wars|rebellion]] against the [[Quintesson]]s. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 1|The Art of War #1}}
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===IDW 2005 continuity===
:*''First Appearance:'' [[Megatron Origin issue 3|''Megatron Origin'' #3]] (cameo); [[Any Old Iron|''Transformers: Ironhide'' #3]] (full appearance)

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In the years that followed the departure of the [[Knights of Cybertron]], Alpha Trion emerged as one of the [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]s, leading one of the [[Thirteen Tribes]] some twelve million years ago. He was well-known as a chronicler and record-keeper of Cybertronian history; {{storylink|The Crucible}} though he did not have the same heroic reputation as the other Primes, he was a well-versed historian, librarian, and orator. {{storylink|White Light}} In his youth, he studied some of the mythical [[Artifacts of the Primes|artifacts]] that would come to be wielded by the Primes, such as the ancient [[Enigma of Combination]], {{storylink|The Nothing Man}} and learned as much as he could about the primitive tribes that inhabited prehistoric Cybertron. {{storylink|Omega's Conundrum}}

Alpha Trion would join forces with four other Primes: [[Alchemist Prime|Alchemist]], [[Vector Prime|Vector]], [[Solus Prime|Solus]], and [[Nexus Prime]], and together they established a village they called the [[Crystal City]]. As a storyteller and keeper of legends, Trion encouraged the tribes to work together by regaling them with tales of [[Primus]] and the [[Guiding Hand]], believing that the kernels of truth passed down through his tales could inspire others to perform great deeds.

[[File:OriginMyths-AlchemistPrime.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"Go home Alchemist, you're drunk."]]

Their early efforts were threatened by the advancing armies of the [[Darklands]]; shortly after the Darklanders slaughtered [[Septimus Prime]] and sacked [[Protihex|Protohex]], another Prime, going by the name of "[[Onyx Prime|Onyx]]", arrived to propose an alliance, bringing with him his comrade [[Liege Maximo]] and an army of [[Beast mode|bestial]] warriors. "Onyx" professed scorn for Trion's belief in the Guiding Hand, but Trion spoke to him privately and made him see the inspirational power that his stories possessed. Onyx pressed him to convince the other Primes into allying with him; once united, their forces took to the field against the Darklanders. As the battle raged, events took an unexpected turn when three [[Titan (group)|Titans]] emerged from the depths of the planet. In the impromptu ceasefire, Onyx was able to reach the enemy leader [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and convince him to lay down arms and agree to a proper truce. {{storylink|Origin Myths}}

The other Primes never learned the truth about Onyx Prime: the bestial Prime was an identity of convenience assumed by a time-travelling [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]]; using Megatronus as a catspaw, he had deliberately engineered the war between the Darklanders and the Crystal City in order to bring the Primes together under a single banner, one of many historical paradoxes he would engineer using his foreknowledge of Cybertron's long history. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

In the ensuing celebration, Trion soon became wary of his new ally: "Onyx" had begun telling "stories" of his own, thus seeding history with more paradoxes, including the "[[Dark Cybertron (prophecy)|Dark Cybertron]]" prophecy that his younger self would one day study and attempt to bring about. Trion's concerns were echoed by the Darklander warrior [[Arcee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Arcee]], who believed that the Primes would eventually grow drunk on their own superiority and become tyrants. Trion solemnly told Arcee that it would be the job of their followers to keep the Primes in check. {{storylink|Origin Myths}}

[[File:OmegasConundrum-Metroplex.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Because he's the wise sage Cybertron deserves, but not the one it needs right now.]]

Determined to see as much of his planet as he could before it all changed, Trion befriended the Titan [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], and the pair set off to explore and chart Cybertron. {{storylink|Omega's Conundrum}} Over the next two million years, the initial coalition of Primes were joined by five more, and thus united the Primes became the alliance known as the [[Thirteen]], led by [[Prima]]. {{storylink|Heavy}} In the ensuing era of peace, Trion became known as "The Trion" and developed his famed reputation for storytelling. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}} Other Primes had grown arrogant, however and began spreading rumors that only a Prime could kill another Prime, to ensure their reign would last forever. {{storylink|The Crucible}} None of the twelve Primes ever suspected that "Onyx Prime" had continued to manipulate them, and, as he had once brought them together, planned to tear them apart once more. Indeed, "Onyx" soon realized that he could permanently keep Trion's suspicions at bay simply by spinning one convincing story after another. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

"Onyx" set his plans in motion by encouraging Prima to commission an interstellar mission of goodwill, designed to share the "enlightened" civilization of Cybertron with their neighbors. Alpha Trion joined the voyage as its official record-keeper, and joined by [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and his [[Guardian robot|Omega Sentinels]], the Cybertronian expedition set off for the organic world of [[Antilla]], its resources making it ripe for colonization. When the detachment arrived however, the [[Antillan]]s fought back against the invaders. Over the course of this brief war, "Onyx"—despite Trion's misgivings—announced that this world now belonged to Alpha Trion, the first of Cybertron's thirteen "colonies". When recording these events however, Trion would write that the Antillan mission had been one of peace and that the natives had been the ones who fired first. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} {{storylink|Our Finest}}

On returning to Cybertron, "Onyx" continued to secretly sow discord, and manipulated events so that a furious Megatronus would slay [[Solus Prime]] in an attempted coup against Prima. Alpha Trion agreed that Liege Maximo, who had seemingly masterminded the coup that had led to her death, had forfeited his right to live on Cybertron and watched as his fellow Primes imprisoned Liege Maximo aboard [[Vigilem]].

Determined to bring Solus Prime's killer to justice, Alpha Trion joined "Onyx" and Prima aboard Prima's Titan, [[Emissary (IDW)|Emissary]]. The three Primes tracked Megatronus to the barren world of [[Tsiehshi]], but Trion stayed behind while the other two Primes went to confront Megatronus in a final duel. Only "Onyx Prime" returned, informing the record-keeper that Prima had sacrificed himself to end Megatronus's life. The reality was more complicated, however: "Onyx" had simply let Megatronus kill Prima, then, his usefulness at an end, killed Megatronus. Trion was once more swayed by "Onyx Prime's" well-told tale, and so this account became the "official" version of events that would find its way into the chronicles of Cybertron... and thus, the inspiration for the lie that the time-travelling Shockwave used to cover up the truth.

Returning to Cybertron, Trion and the five remaining Primes watched as Emissary interred Prima's remains within his body and left Cybertron, unaware that his systems had been sabotaged by "Onyx". {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} With the Primes reduced in number and divided from within, they and their followers soon fell to war with one another in the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]], {{storylink|Heavy}} the outcome Shockwave had been aiming for for all along. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} Trion was not an active participant in the war, instead hoping to find a way to end the conflict as bloodlessly as possible. When the warrior [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] slaughtered [[Nexus Prime]] and dispelled the rumors that the Primes were immortal, fear for their own safety prompted the last of the Primes to flee Cybertron, one by one, until only Alpha Trion remained. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

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Determined to bring the war to an end, Alpha Trion approached Galvatron during the [[Battle of Aegiax]] to request his help in bringing peace to Cybertron—promising the bloodthirsty barbarian whatever he wanted in exchange. {{storylink|Earthfall Chapter 3: The Mind Bomb|The Mind Bomb}} Trion led Galvatron to the [[Citadel of Light]], former home of [[Prima]] and his tribe, and watched Galvatron and Prima's last follower [[Nova Prime|Nova Major]] defeat the remnants of Onyx Prime's forces. When the battle was won, Alpha Trion introduced himself to Nova, who was not quick to believe Trion's claim to Primehood until Trion pummeled him into submission. Together, the trio made for "Onyx Prime's" castle in [[Kalis]] to verify Trion's belief that the other Primes had disappeared. Their way into the castle was barred by the sole remaining warrior, [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox of the Mournsong]], but he was quickly intimidated into letting them pass. Discovering that "Onyx" had indeed vanished, Nova announced his plan to take control of Cybertron and unify its tribes, and Alpha Trion, feeling this was the best course of action for Cybertron's people, gladly stood aside and let Nova assume the title of Prime.

After taking control of Cybertron, Nova directed his attention to decoding the secrets of the Thirteen, beginning with Nexus Prime's Enigma of Combination. Galvatron was the only one of them who ''didn't'' want to uncover the Enigma, and continually insisted that the Enigma was gone, just like its creator. Trion became curious by Galvatron's claims and pointed out that everyone ''except'' Galvatron talked of the Enigma as if it were merely a concept, but Galvatron spoke of it as a physical object. One look in Galvatron's eyes provided Alpha with all the explanation he needed to arrive at the answer. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

Over the next few million years, Allpha Trion was content to let himself fade into the background of Cybertronian life, allowing himself to be "forgotten" after the disastrous fall of the Primes. {{storylink|The Crucible}} When Nova Prime and his crew—which included Galvatron—departed Cybertron six million years ago, Alpha Trion blessed their starship, the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]''. {{storylink|Dark Dawn: Dark Cybertron Chapter 1|Dark Dawn}} Following the disappearance of the ''Ark'', memorial lectures were held in honor of Nova, during which Alpha Trion gave a speech about [[Primus]]. {{storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations}} Alpha Trion's various compendiums regarding the early histories of Cybertron were of interest to the younger Senator [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]], and thus would go on to form the basis for many of "Onyx Prime's" manipulations to the timeline. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

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Nova Prime, thought dead, would eventually be supplanted by [[Nominus Prime]], and, later, [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]. Unaware that Sentinel Prime was a false identity constructed by the ancient [[Titan Master]] [[Infinitus]], Alpha Trion was known to have stood up against "Sentinel Prime's" increasingly fascistic ideals. {{storylink|White Light}} At the request of a [[blacksmith]], Trion bore witness to the birth of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]], agreeing that there was something special about the newborn. {{storylink|Post}} Four million years ago, as [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]]'s [[Decepticon]] uprising took shape, Alpha Trion attended the funerals of [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]] and [[Fastback (G1)|Fastback]]. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3|Megatron Origin #3}}

Because of Alpha Trion's intimate knowledge of Cybertron's surface, he accompanied Orion Pax and [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] on a mission into the treacherous [[Rust Sea|Rust Spot]] to swap Decepticon prisoners for the captured [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]]. This was merely a ruse to draw out Alpha Trion, who the Decepticons wanted in order to help locate Metroplex. Due to Orion Pax's valiant actions, Alpha Trion and the other Autobots escaped with their lives. {{storylink|Omega's Conundrum}} The Autobots did get something out of Alpha Trion though; confirmation that the Titans were indeed real. {{storylink|The Hunting Party (IDW)|The Hunting Party}}

Once Orion Pax had become Optimus Prime, he broadcast a message to all Cybertronians, asking them to join him in the fight against the Decepticons and beginning the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]]. Alpha Trion watched this broadcast with interest from the archives of [[Kutanzuule]]. {{storylink|Broadcast}} He soon came in contact with the young Prime to offer him advice and guidance in his early days as Autobot leader. {{storylink|Derelicts}} When Optimus blamed himself for being unable to stop the [[Exodus (G1)|Exodus]], Alpha Trion assured him that sometimes a leader's role was to let their followers go and make their own decisions. {{storylink|The Illusion of Control}} Alpha Trion was surprised when Optimus rediscovered the long lost [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], and advised him to accept that the ancient guardian would not easily reintegrate into society. {{storylink|Primacy issue 2|Primacy #2}}

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500,000 years ago, Alpha Trion chose to leave Cybertron together with Metroplex, partly to keep the Titan and his technology out of Decepticon hands, but also to investigate [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]]'s [[Regenesis]] plan. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 1: Hello Cruel World|Hello Cruel World}} After exploring space for millennia, Alpha Trion came to realize that Shockwave had not seeded his miraculous ores randomly—each had been sent to a planet that Shockwave believed one of the Thirteen had gone after they had fled Cybertron, and the thirteenth planet was the resting place of the Enigma of Combination. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

The pair briefly returned to Cybertron in [[1997]]; by this point, the planet had been rendered virtually uninhabitable by war, and so Trion began trying to restore it. Operating out of Metroplex, Trion spent the next decade processing the corrosive elements out of Cybertron's atmosphere, slowly making it habitable again. After 2008, the problem was compounded by a monstrous [[Insecticon swarm]] that had overrun the planet. Requiring the toughest of the tough to obliterate the swarm, Alpha Trion selected [[Ironhide (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ironhide]] to do the job.

[[File:Ironing Out the Details Alpha Trion.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.8|Metal beards are ridiculous! But ''cloth'' beards are super okay.]]

That Ironhide was across the galaxy on Earth mattered little: Ironhide would eventually die some day, Trion rationalized, and so he built a duplicate body on Cybertron into which he could implant Ironhide's spark and memories once he passed on and returned to the "[[Transformer afterlife|core]]". With Vector Sigma having been essentially erased in the event that devastated Cybertron, this took Alpha Trion years and pushed his skills to their limit, but once Ironhide died on Earth in 2010, the ancient Autobot's grand work was complete, and Ironhide returned to life on Cybertron in the new body constructed for him. {{storylink|Any Old Iron}}

Ironhide awoke in confusion, his memories incomplete due to damage he had suffered millions of years beforehand that had disrupted his link to the core, and wandered Cybertron's wastes until Alpha Trion dispatched his [[Scamper|page]] to bring the befuddled warrior to Metroplex's city mode. Alpha Trion took umbrage at the fact Ironhide had never heard of his ancient greatness, and revealed his incredible powers over his own electromagnetic aura by using it to control Ironhide's actions when the ornery Autobot started to get a little rough. Ironhide further tested Trion's patience when he ignored his cautions and ventured out to track down the near-dead [[Sunstreaker (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Sunstreaker]] (even if Sunstreaker ''had'' heard of him). Finally, Trion relented to Ironhide's constant questioning and explained the reason he had brought him back online: to exterminate the swarm. {{storylink|Ironing Out the Details}} While Ironhide took out of most of the swarm in a brutal battle, Trion busied himself repairing Sunstreaker. After Ironhide returned, Trion announced that he and Metroplex were leaving Cybertron for parts unknown while Ironhide mopped up the remaining Insecticons. Infuriated by the old 'bots condescending attitude, Ironhide slugged him one, but Alpha Trion let it slide, putting Ironhide in his place by telling him he was just a small playing piece in a very large game. Before departing, however, Alpha Trion softened, congratulating Ironhide on saving the entire planet. After all, the only other Autobot would could make that claim... was he. {{storylink|Any Old Iron}}

In 2012, Alpha Trion finally deduced that the Enigma of Combination had landed on [[Earth]]. Hoping to recover it before Shockwave could harness its power for his own ends, {{storylink|The Crucible}} Trion left Metroplex to fend off the next stage of Shockwave's ultimate plan by himself. Trion set course for Earth to retrieve what he called the "holy grail", and was thus unable to turn back and help when his Titan companion was infected with an [[alchemical virus]]. After crossing paths with the ''[[Vis Vitalis]]'', he convinced [[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]]'s [[Caminus (planet)|Camien]] associates, [[Cityspeaker]] [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] and her compatriots [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] and [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]], to use their [[Cityspeaker|cityspeaking]] skills to aid the Titan in his place. {{storylink|Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|Burning Bright}} {{storylink|A 'Bot and Her City}} Alpha Trion also tasked the three with delivering a simple message for Optimus Prime: "Earth." {{storylink|Earthfall Part 1: Hello Cruel World|Hello Cruel World}}

Shockwave saw Alpha Trion in a vision of things that would come to pass during the Dark Cybertron prophecy. {{storylink|Dark Dawn: Dark Cybertron Chapter 1|Dark Dawn}}

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Alpha Trion made it to Earth shortly before Shockwave enacted the final stage of his plan; unfortunately for him, however, his ship was shot down by the [[Earth Defense Command]], {{storylink|The Crucible}} and both he and his vessel were interred at the EDC's primary headquarters in the [[Marshall Islands|Bikini Atoll]] for study. {{storylink|Earthfall Chapter 4: Full Fathom Five|Full Fathom Five}} After finally meeting Optimus in person, Windblade passed Trion's message along and Optimus and a group of Autobots travelled to Earth to find him. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 1: Hello Cruel World|Hello Cruel World}}

A month later, [[Jazz (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Jazz]] infiltrated the EDC base and stumbled on him while investigating the EDC's use of Cybertronian tech. {{storylink|Earthfall Chapter 4: Full Fathom Five|Full Fathom Five}} Knowing he was hooked up to an alarm and that the EDC's "[[mindbomb]]" couldn't have been created from just ''his'' brain, [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]] stopped Jazz from rescuing Alpha Trion immediately in order to investigate further. After deactivating the alarms they took Alpha Trion and fled on [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]], where a merry Trion's reunion with Optimus Prime was cut short by a coughing fit, prompting [[Jetfire (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Jetfire]] to take him away and have a look at his injuries. {{storylink|Earthfall Chapter 5: I Dream of Wires|I Dream of Wires}}

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Alpha Trion had Optimus Prime take him to the [[Moon (moon)|moon]], away from prying ears, to share with him why Earth was so important. He told the story about how he brought Galvatron and Nova Prime together, shocking and angering Optimus with the fact that he was one of the Thirteen Primes and let Nova Prime's reign happen, before revealing the presence of the Enigma of Combination on Earth. {{storylink|The Crucible}} They subsequently returned to the ''[[Ark-7]]'', where Jetfire found their trip had worsened Alpha Trion's condition and admonished Prime. When Prime then returned to Cybertron for what he claimed were political reasons, Trion poked fun at him until he admitted he also had a personal reason, namely the anniversary of him becoming Prime. {{storylink|Onyx Interface Part One: Signals, Calls, and Marches|Signals, Calls, and Marches}}

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When the ''Ark-7'' came under attack and the Autobots lost control of the ship, Alpha Trion recognized why—its computers had been infected with the source code of the Enigma of Combination. {{storylink|The Nothing Man}} Joining [[Sideswipe (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Sideswipe]] and [[Arcee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Arcee]] as they fought their way through the ship's defenses towards its [[Space bridge|spacebridge]], Trion described the Enigma as one of the "metaphors made real" devised by the ancient Primes and that normal Transformers couldn't fight against it. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 1: Aphelion|Aphelion}} They reached their goal only to be greeted by a group of Decepticons who'd arrived through the spacebridge to capture the ship, {{storylink|Conquerors Part 2: Lagrange|Lagrange}} prompting Sideswipe to hide the still injured Alpha Trion away from harm in a storage compartment. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 4: Perihelion|Perihelion}}

After the Decepticons had crashed the ship onto Earth, Trion and the others were recovered by Optimus Prime's forces. Once they'd relocated, he was shocked to hear that Optimus had started a war with Earth in an attempt to annex it, and wondered what his plan was now. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 1: Once Upon a Time on Earth|Once Upon a Time on Earth}} He was present when Optimus returned after an ill-fated confrontation between [[Aileron]] and the [[President of the United States]]. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 2: Edge of the Earth|Edge of the Earth}} When the Autobots joined forces with [[Soundwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Soundwave]]'s Decepticons against Galvatron, Alpha Trion's status as another Prime distressed Soundwave. He remained at their [[Monument Valley]] base caring for [[Buster (IDW)|Buster]] during the actual attack, but an attack on ''them'' by the humans caused the dog to run off with [[D.0.C.]] {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 4: It's Beginning To And Back Again|It's Beginning To And Back Again}} As the battle raged on, Alpha Trion encouraged Optimus Prime to search within himself for the reason he had chosen this particular valley as their base, which led to Optimus realizing [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] was hidden beneath the surface and awakening him. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 5: As Above...So Below|As Above...So Below}}

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Alpha Trion watched Metrotitan transform into [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]], the Cybertronian embassy on Earth. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 6: No Fair Fights|No Fair Fights}} After this he sought another Prime-to-Prime talk with Optimus, but Optimus postponed it in favor of having him coordinate the aftermath of the battle with Galvatron's soldiers. {{storylink|The Last Autobot}}

While resting at Autobot City, Alpha Trion was confronted by a diminutive Cybertronian who introduced himself as "[[Infinitus]]", decrying Trion as the weakest of the original [[Thirteen]]. Alpha Trion was confused by Infinitus, but as the interloper pontificated about his plan to wipe Cybertron clean of "vermin" and return it to its [[Golden Age]], Alpha Trion realized that his visitor was none other than the 'bot he had once known as [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]! Sentinel Prime deployed a set of blades from his forearms and pounced on Trion, decapitating him. While Optimus and Soundwave were waylaid, Infinitus used his [[Titan Master]] powers to puppeteer Trion's body, escaping in its spaceship configuration. {{storylink|White Light}} After using it to fetch [[Sovereign]], herald of Onyx Prime and fellow Titan Master, Infinitus passed control of the body on to him. When Infinitus and Sovereign confronted Optimus Prime and Soundwave, Soundwave used Alpha Trion's sword to remove Sovereign, and Trion's head and body were recovered. They were returned to Cybertron and reunited by [[Fixit (G1)|Fixit]], who explained that the old Autobot would survive. {{storylink|White Heat}}

Alpha Trion then got an apartment and spruced it up with all manner of literary texts. Prior to Earth officially joining the Cybertronian [[Council of Worlds]], he was visited by Optimus, Pyra and Starscream and recounted the tale of the unification of the Thirteen and the "first face". Once he was finished, he defended himself to a skeptical Starscream, saying he simply told the story. {{storylink|Origin Myths}}

When [[Thundercracker (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Thundercracker]] ran into story difficulties in making [[Starscream: The Movie (film)|his film about Starscream]], he sought out Alpha Trion for his views regarding Starscream being labelled as the "Chosen One". Alpha Trion felt that Metrotitan had been spouting random nonsense in his damaged state with Starscream just having been in the right place to take advantage of it. Nonetheless he gave Thundercracker advice that instead of using his film to spread lies about Starscream, he should instead use the power of stories to present truths that would inspire his audience. {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}}

After [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] became ruler of Cybertron, Trion met with the [[Mistress of Flame]] who recounted to him an encounter she had with [[Onyx Prime]] on [[Antilla]]. Alpha Trion had also invited [[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] to the discussion in the hopes that the highly religious Mistress and the recently atheist Constructicon could each teach the other something. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}} Trion joined the subsequent meeting at the [[Spire]], but as tensions mounted between the trio of Primes, the religious colonists, and Soundwave—who refused to let the Primes reassert themselves as leaders—Trion was struck by a devastating epiphany: the 'bot he believed to be "Onyx Prime" was, in fact, Shockwave, who had manipulated him all these years. Before he could warn his allies of "Onyx Prime"'s true intentions, a powerful blast ripped through the Spire and mortally wounded him. Soundwave rushed to his side, but was unable to do anything more than pronounce him dead. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}}

When Optimus himself passed, he remembered all the major moments of his life and pondered if Trion being present at his forging was proof that he'd been [[The Arisen]]. {{storylink|Post}}
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====Vision of the future====
In a vision of the future seen by Ironhide and [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] during the reformatting of Cybertron, Alpha Trion lived on a prosperous [[Gorlam Prime]] fifteen million years from now, telling young Transformers the history of their race and their struggles. His closest friend at this time was an aged Ironhide, who Alpha frequently comforted as Ironhide struggled to find his place in the new civilization. {{storylink|Pax Cybertronia (issue)|Pax Cybertronia}}

===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
[[Preditron]] remembered Alpha Trion as an inspirational figure, one who exemplified the best qualities of the Autobots. {{storylink|The Predacon Manifesto}}

[[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] knew the books of Alpha Trion to hold that countless Cybertrons existed in the multiverse. {{storylink|Alone Together: Prologue}}

While interacting with the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]], [[Overshoot]] witnessed flashes of Cybertron's long history, including Alpha Trion wielding his [[Quill]]. {{storylink|Cultural Appropriation}}

===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe''===
As he lay dying, Alpha Trion passed the Matrix of Leadership down to Optimus Prime, an event that would later be plucked from Prime's memories and scrutinized during his [[Quintesson]] trial. {{storylink|Everybody Hates Metroplex}} His spirit passed into the Matrix, where it would later haunt [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] after he'd stolen the artifact. {{storylink|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe issue 12|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe #12}} The spirits of Alpha Trion and other past Matrix holders manifested again when Optimus Prime took back the Matrix. {{storylink|The War Never Ends}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
When questioned if Alpha Trion was [[Solomus]], [[Vector Prime]] just said that he went by many names. Make of that what you will. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/01}}

===''Titans Return'' marketing material===
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Alpha Trion was partnered with the [[Titan Master]] [[Sovereign]], who granted him the power of Primus himself. {{storylink|#Generations|''Titans Return'' Sovereign/Alpha Trion toy bio}} On the planet [[Eukaris]], Alpha Trion and [[Grimlock (G1)|Clobber]] discovered an ancient artifact linked to the [[Titan (group)|Titan]]s and Titan Masters. They were attacked by a contingent of Decepticons intent on ambushing the two Autobots and stealing the artifact for themselves, but [[Apeface]] managed to blow their cover and give the Autobots time to fight back. {{storylink|Titans Return: The Power of the Titan Masters}}

===''Power of the Primes'' marketing material===
Alpha Trion's [[Spark]] passed into the possession of one of the twelve [[Prime Master]]s; hidden within a suit of decoy armor, they safeguarded the abilities of the Primes until the present day. By uniting with a larger Transformer, the Prime Master could channel the powers of Trion's Spark and grant them unique abilities that varied with each new partner. {{storylink|#Power of the Primes|''Power of the Primes'' Landmine / Alpha Trion online bio}}

{{note|For a list of every permutation of Alpha Trion's abilities, see [[Prime Master/Combinations|this link]].}}

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==Games==
===''Transformers Legends''===
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Alpha Trion was one of the oldest Transformers alive. {{storylink|Orion's Gambit}}

Sentinel Prime sent Alpha Trion out to investigate an uprising of working-class robots. Alpha Trion uncovered that Senator Ratbat has shut down a mine, which catapulted into motion the Decepticon movement. He reported his findings to Sentinel Prime, and Ratbat was forced to flee for his life. {{storylink|Megatron Origins}}

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Alpha Trion, alongside Nightbeat and Orion Pax, was to escort the Decepticons Rack'n'Ruin in a prisoner exchange with the Decepticons. Though they encountered [[Slicer (group)|Slicers]] en route, the group eventually met up with Bludgeon. But instead of the agreed upon exchange, Bludgeon and the Decepticons ambushed the Autobots, leading to Alpha Trion's capture. He was rescued and returned to Zeta Prime's protective custody thanks to Nightbeat and Orion Pax's efforts. {{storylink|Orion's Gambit}}

When Orion Pax and Ariel were seriously injured by the Decepticons, the Aerialbots took the pair to Trion, who rebuilt them into [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]]. He also aided the Aerialbots in returning to their own time through the [[Chronogon]] portal. {{storylink|Golden Age (Legends)|Golden Age}}
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==Toys==
===Expanded Universe===
[[File:Alphalion.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|You'll never own me.]]
:A redeco of [[Snarl (BM)|''Beast Machines'' Snarl]] was planned as Alpha Trion for the [[BotCon|OTFCC]] ''[[Transformers: Universe (comic)|Wreckers]]'' storyline, but this concept never made it past the paint mock-up stage.

:A redecoed [[Lio Convoy#Beast Wars|Lio Convoy]] was also considered by [[3H Productions|3H]] for Alpha Trion around the same time, and it was sort of this version that briefly appeared in the comic book ([[#3H comics|see above]]). Though the toy [[Prototype|mock-up]] used Snarl, 3H hoped they could finagle the use of the Lio Convoy mold. "Alpha Lion"'s wireframe appearance in [[Departure|''The Wreckers'' #1]] used Lio Convoy's body, but Snarl's head, hopefully allowing 3H to fudge either way, should they come to a decision. They didn't!

::*[http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/resources/review/universe/alpha+trion/3368 Image gallery of the Alpha Trion Snarl redeco purchased from the Hartmans]

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===Timelines===
[[File:Timelinestoy-AlphaTrion.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I'm not evil! Honest!]]
*'''Alpha Trion''' (BotCon 2007 souvenir two-pack)
**''Accessories:'' Sword, missile, Cyber Key

: A bagged set of ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' Alpha Trion, [[Beta Maxx (RID)#Toys|Beta Maxx]], and [[Weirdwolf (G1)#Timelines|Weirdwolf]] was released at [[BotCon 2007]] as a souvenir set add-on, limited to 1400 pieces. Alpha Trion was a [[retool]] of ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' Voyager Class [[Vector Prime#Cybertron|Vector Prime]], [[redeco]]ed in purple, white, and red, plus a new head.

: Alpha Trion transforms into a large Cybertronian space cruiser with "solar panel" wings. His nosecone has a spring-loaded missile launcher at the tip. Inserting his [[Cyber Key]] (painted gold to resemble the [[Key to Vector Sigma]]) does not activate any sounds, unlike Vector Prime's toy. Alpha Trion has the more flexible translucent plastic parts ([[for safety reasons]]) of the [[Hasbro]] version of the mold.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/BCAlphaTrion/alphatrion.htm More information on Alpha Trion at TFU.info]''
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===Kre-O===
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*'''Alpha Trion''' (Kreon Micro-Changer, 2014)
**''Collection'': '''4'''
**''Bag number'': '''***** 33'''
**''Accessories'': Stand brick, buildable sword/spear-thing

: Part of the fourth Collection of [[blindpacking|blind-bagged]] [[Kreon]] [[Micro-Changer]]s, ''[[Kre-O]]'' Alpha Trion can be rebuilt from a humanoid to a starship seemingly based on the [[BotCon 2007]] Alpha Trion toy (above). His vehicle-mode bits are rebuilt into a massive spear/sword/thing weapon for robot mode. His jet mode is the only Micro-Changer to fully remove the Kreon's arms in alternate mode.

:He uses the [[Jazz (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Jazz]] helmet... which covers his eyes when pushed all the way down on the noggin.

: This Collection was passed by most larger brick-and-mortar stores, appearing at [[Walgreens]] drug stores first and largely being relegated to similar outlets. Later releases of this wave lost the individual bag codes, meaning you either felt parts through the bag or buy blind.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/Kre-OAlphaTrion/alphatrion.htm More information on Alpha Trion at TFU.info]''

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[[File:KreO-Toy AlphaTrionClass85.jpg|right|thumb|200px|There's always that one old guy who hangs out at school long after he graduated...]]
*'''Kreon Class of 1985''' (Kreon figure set, 2015)
**''Set number'': '''B5152'''
**''Voted'': 800th Year Senior
**''Accessories'': Longsword

:This version of Kreon Alpha Trion has more intricate, cartoon-accurate detailing, and uses the ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (franchise)|Age of Extinction]]'' [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Kre-O|Galvatron]] helmet. He also comes with the longsword accessory from the ''Kre-O Dungeons & Dragons'' series for... some reason.

:He was only available in the "[[Kreon Class of '85]]" 30-Kreon box set, a [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2015 [[exclusive]], also sold online through [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] following the convention.

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===Legends===
[[File:Legendstoy-LG14-Alpha Trion.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|So I'm basically Optimus Prime's brother and father figure? How is that acceptable?]]
*'''Ultra Magnus''' ([[September 19]], [[2015]])
**''ID number'': '''LG-14'''

:The ''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' release of ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Leader Class [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Generations|Ultra Magnus]] includes a small Alpha Trion figure, which is a redeco of the [[Minimus Ambus#Generations|Minimus Ambus]] figure (as Minimus does not appear in any Japanese-original fiction). He transforms into a Cybertronian hovercar, which can tab onto three grooves on the lower level of Magnus's trailer. In robot mode, Alpha Trion can sit inside Ultra Magnus's robot mode torso, "wearing" the Magnus head like a helmet.
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===Generations===
====Titans Return====
[[File:TF-Generations-Titans-Return-Voyager-Alpha-Trion.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Destined to be repurposed as [[Cheetor (BW)#Wings_Universe|Alpha Trizer]].]]
*'''Autobot Sovereign & Alpha Trion''' (Voyager Class, 2016)
**''Accessories:'' Sword, [[Sovereign#Generations|Sovereign]] Titan Master, Gun
:''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' Alpha Trion transforms from a robot to lion to spaceship. His head transforms into the [[Titan Master]] [[Sovereign]], although his neck socket is compatible with any other Titan Master figure. Both his alternate modes are references to Alpha Trion's previous BotCon toys. He comes with a gun that Sovereign can ride in spaceship mode. As with other ''Titans Return'' Voyager figures, pressing in his chest crystal makes his head adornments spring up to "bulk up" his head. In Australia, Alpha Trion along with his wavemate Astrotrain are prominent shelfwarmers. Curiously, he lacks any Autobot insignia on his body.

:This toy was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as a body for ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]]. This mold was retooled into ''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' [[Lio Convoy#Legends|Leo Prime]] and ''extensively'' retooled into ''Titans Return'' [[Broadside (G1)#Generations|Broadside]] and [[Tidal Wave (Armada)#Generations|Tidal Wave]]. The sword was redecoed into ''Legends'' [[Magna Convoy]]'s [[Matrix Sword]].
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====Power of the Primes====
[[File:TF-POTP-Prime-Master-Alpha-Trion-with-Landmine.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Legends'', ''Titans Return'', ''Power of the Primes''. The trilogy is complete!]]
*'''Alpha Trion''' (Prime Master, [[2018]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''PP-32'''
**''Japanese release date'': '''[[October 27]], 2018'''
**''Accessories:'' Landmine decoy armor, cannon

:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' Alpha Trion is a [[retool]] of [[Vector Prime#Generations|Vector Prime]] that transforms from a small robot modeled after <s>[[Landmine (G1)#Generation 1|Landmine]]</s> [[Metalhawk (Masterforce)#Toys|Metalhawk]]'s inner robot mode into a [[Prime Master]] that can store inside decoy armor modeled after Landmine's [[Pretender]] shell, or plug into any Prime Master shell's weapon form, or replace a ''Power of the Primes'' Leader's [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Power of the Primes|Matrix]] core. Alpha Trion can also ride Legends Class figures and attach to Deluxe Class figures' chest armor, Voyager Class figures' bucklers, or Voyager Class figures' combined mode.
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==Merchandise==
===Super Collection Figure===
*'''Alpha Trin''' (2002)

: A three-inch-tall [[plastic|PVC]] figurine of Alpha Trion was available in "Act 8" of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s ''[[Heroes of Cybertron|Super Collection Figure]]'' line. Like all the figures in the wave, it was available as both a standard full-color figure and a metallic-silver "pewter" version, one of each of which was available in a standard case of twelve [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] figures. Additionally, the pewter version of Alpha Trion came packaged with the left leg of the [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] collectible "build-a-figure".

: Alpha Trion was not among the ''Super Collection Figures'' brought over to the West for [[Hasbro]]'s ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'' line.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Cybertron/AlphaTrin/alphatrin.htm More information on ''Super Collection Figure'' Alpha Trin at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Cybertron/PewterAlphaTrin/alphatrin.htm More information on pewter Alpha Trin at TFU.info]''

===EX Gōkin===
[[File:EX Gokin Alpha Trion.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|You'd be scolding young 'bots too if you had a pole in your aft...]]
*'''Alpha Trin''' (2014)
**''Accessories:'' Two fists, two open hands, two gripping hands, right pointing hand, A-3 head, two A-3 shoulders, display stand

:Produced by [[Art Storm]] as part of their ''[[EX Gōkin]]'' line, this Alpha Trion is a 6-inch tall posable figure based on his cartoon [[character model]]. He comes with a plethora of extra hands and has an articulated cape that splits in two pieces for easier posing. Alpha Trion can (sort of) be turned into his younger self, A-3, by use of an alternate head based on his appearance in "[[War Dawn (episode)|War Dawn]]" and two smaller, spike-less shoulderpads.

::*''[http://artstorm.co.jp/exgokin_transformersseries_alphatrion.html More information on ''EX Gōkin'' Alpha Trin at Art Storm's official site]''

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==Notes==
[[File:Alpha Trion through the epochs.jpg|thumb|Once you go white, you'll never, er... be right?]]
*Alpha Trion is one of the very few Cybertronians to show signs of aging and [[Facial hair|hair growth]].
*According to a note in Japan's ''[[Comic Bom Bom]]'' magazine,{{fact|source needed}} A-3 was the first successful Cybertronian, [[A1]] and [[A2]] being failures. However, the presence of Cybertronians within the Matrix of Leadership older than Alpha Trion (as seen in "[[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2|The Return of Optimus Prime]]") makes the actual [[canon]]icity of this questionable.
*Alpha Trion may be named after the {{w|Triple-Alpha Process}}, the method through which carbon is created, which in turn is the reason (human) life came to be. Given that Alpha Trion essentially "created" Optimus Prime, who in turn formed the Autobots, this is actually quite fitting.
[[File:ImAlphaTrionsHovercraftMode.jpg|thumb|"I'm Alpha Trion's hover-craft mode!"]]
*Alpha Trion had a hover-craft [[alternate mode]] designed for his appearance in ''[[The Transformers: Ironhide]]'', but ultimately didn't end up transforming in that mini-series. The vehicle mode was first revealed in the trade paperback's extras, and would eventually be used in-continuity as part of a flashback sequence in "[[Earthfall Chapter 3: The Mind Bomb|The Mind Bomb]]" and in the ''[[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Transformers Legends]]'' episode "[[Megatron Origins]]".
[[File:TFGenerations2014 Rejected AlphaTrion.jpg|thumb|Denied.]]
*A mock-up of an Alpha Trion toy in the form of a ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' [[Scourge (G1)/toys#Generations|Scourge]] redeco was shown in ''[[Transformers Generations 2014]]'' Vol. 1 as one of ten potential exclusives for Vol. 2. During the fan poll held to determine which of the ten would be produced, Alpha Trion claimed 28.9% of the votes but ultimately came second place under [[Goshooter#Generations|Goshooter]].<ref>[http://millionhero.sblo.jp/article/101898683.html Poll results at Hero-X]</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Alpha Trin''' (アルファートリン ''Arufā Torin''), '''Alpha Trion''' (アルファトライオン ''Arufa Toraion'')
*''Hebrew:'' '''Alpha Trion''' (אלפא טריון, "Alpha Trion")
*''Indonesian:'' '''Alfa Trion'''
*''Mandarin:'' '''Alpha Tellion''' (Taiwan, 阿法特利昂 ''Ā Fǎ Tè Lì Áng''), '''Tài Shīfù''' (China, 钛师傅, "Master Titanium")

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NovaSaber: Eight times the height of a human would be, like, Jetfire's size, and there are plenty (the majority of car Transformers) between 15 and 20 feet.

{{disambig3.5|the living alien robots|the brand in which they appear and are sold as toys|Transformers brand|Transformers}}
[[File:Bumblebeeg1.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], a Transformer, transforming. Savvy?]]
The '''Transformers''' are a species of {{w|Sentience|sentient}}, living robotic beings (mostly) originating from the distant machine world of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. The stories of their lives, their histories, and most especially their wars have been chronicled across many different [[Continuity|continuities]] in the vast [[multiverse]].

The designation "Transformer" stems from the species' generally-shared ability to ''[[Transformation|transform]]'', to change their bodies at will, rearranging their component parts from a robotic primary mode (usually, but not always, humanoid) into an alternate form; generally vehicles, weapons, machinery, or animals. In some continuities this ability to transform is innate to all members of the species, in others it was a wartime innovation that was adopted by most, but not all, of the populace.

While this species is commonly known throughout the galaxy as "Transformers", the technical term for these beings is '''Cybertronians''', which they generally use to refer to themselves. Other, less-frequently used terms to refer to beings from Cybertron include '''Cybertronic''' or simply '''Cybertron'''.

{{bigquote|Many [[MYA|millions of years ago]], on the planet Cybertron, life existed. But not life as we know it today. Intelligent robots that could think and feel inhabited the cities.|[[Victor Caroli|A voice]] from beyond|[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]}}

==Origins==
{{quote|Just how exactly did these towering marvels of technology become living, sentient beings with the ability to transform their appearance to adapt to their environment? Two words: WHO CARES?"|''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]'' story bible}}

The many origin stories of the Transformers—why and how these shapechanging robots became the way they are—has been explored across a wide variety of mediums. As is the case for just about every ''Transformers'' story, many of the details of these tales are mutually irreconcilable with one another.

The three most prominent origins for the Transformer race are as follows:

===The Quintessons===
: ''See also: [[Quintesson]]''
[[File:Ffod4 production line.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The [[The Transformers (cartoon)|1984 cartoon]] established that the Autobots and Decepticons began as two different product lines of robotic slaves, only developing civilization after overthrowing their cruel [[Quintesson]] creators.]]
{{quote|What the Quintessons failed to grasp was that their robots had developed emotions. That we knew and felt the difference between freedom and slavery. And that oversight sealed their fate.|[[Prime Nova]]|[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4]]}}

The malevolent aliens known as the [[Quintesson]]s first appeared in [[The Transformers: The Movie|the 1986 animated film]]; but it would not be until the third season of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the 1984 ''Transformers'']] cartoon that would explain their role in the history of Cybertron. In "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4]]," [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] experienced a vision of the past and learned that Cybertron had once been a planet-sized factory overseen by the aliens: the ancestors of the Autobots were designed as "consumer goods," and the Decepticons began as "military hardware." In time, however, the Quintessons' robotic creations would gain sentience and overthrow their masters in a rebellion before driving them off-planet, later inventing [[Transformation|transform]]ation when those military robots went rogue and made war against their proto-Autobot brethren.

Although well-known because of the cartoon's prominence, it has been given relatively little attention in subsequent media; with the rise of the Primus origin story, subsequent works of fiction have largely reduced the Quintessons to merely interfering with the Transformers' natural development, as seen in [[3H Productions|3H]]'s ''[[Transformers: Universe (comic)|Universe]]'' comics and the [[Aligned continuity family]].

More recently, the fourth installment of the [[live-action film series]], ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]'', would reveal that the Transformers of ''that'' universe had also been created by some other alien race. It is, however, unclear if the mysterious, organic aliens known only as the "[[Creator (AOE)|Creator]]s" ''are'' this universe's version of the Quintessons, and what, if any, connection they possess to the equally enigmatic mechanoid who calls herself "[[Quintessa (TLK)|Quintessa]]."

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===Primus===
: ''See also: [[Primus]], [[Unicron]], [[Thirteen]], [[Well of All Sparks]]''
[[File:Prima.jpg|thumb|right|250px|[[Prima]] was the first Transformer to be created by Primus, and would later be reimagined as the leader of the mighty group of Transformers known as the [[Thirteen]].]]

{{quote|They '''were''' the dream--mechanical beings able to transform their bodies into vehicles, machinery and weapons; a last line of defense against the chaos bringer, '''Unicron'''!|[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' comic]] introductory blurb}}

Independent of the cartoon's Quintesson origin, writer [[Simon Furman]] came up with his own origin for the Transformers. As first detailed in the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|Marvel UK]] comic, the Cybertronians of that universe had been created by their god, the benevolent [[Primus]], as proxies to carry on the battle with his villainous opposite: the dreaded chaos-bringer known as [[Unicron]]. This origin story was eventually folded into the American books when Furman took over from US author [[Bob Budiansky]], overwriting the earlier "[[atechnogenesis]]" theory. From there, the tale would undergo various permutations in various pieces of ancillary media before settling on a widely-accepted version of events, establishing that Primus himself, like Unicron, could transform from a robot into a planet, in this case, [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] itself.

The first Transformer that Primus created was dubbed [[Prima]], bearer of the [[Matrix of Leadership]], and later stories set in other universe would take this concept and run with it, establishing that the very first group of Transformers to be created would become known as the original "[[Thirteen]]," demigod-like figures in their own right, starring in many continuities independent from Primus. The [[Unicron Trilogy]] would heavily incorporate the Primus and Unicron origin into its storyline, as would several [[Fun Publications]]-exclusive stories, and for many years this was widely accepted to be "the definitive" Transformer origin story.

Note, however, that not ''all'' modern continuities adhere to this strict interpretation of events; notably, the original [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] would establish a [[Rung (G1)|very different interpretation of Primus]], while that continuity's version of [[Unicron/Generation 1#IDW Generation 1 continuity|Unicron]] was entirely unconnected to Primus.

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===The AllSpark===
:''See also: [[AllSpark]], [[AllSpark Mutation]], [[Energon radiation]]
[[File:Defiance4 allspark creates primes.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The [[AllSpark]], a mysterious relic capable of granting life to the Transformer race, has featured prominently in some more recent ''Transformers'' stories.]]
{{quote|Before time began, there was the Cube. We know not where it comes from, only that it holds the power to create worlds and fill them with life. That is how our race was born.|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]|''[[Transformers (film)|Transformers]]''}}

The very earliest drafts of the 2007 ''[[Transformers (film)|Transformers]]'' movie originally had the Autobots and Decepticons come to [[Earth]] in search of the [[Matrix of Leadership]]; for one reason or another, this relic was later reworked into a new artifact, a life-giving cube that was first deemed "the Energon Cube," and then hastily redubbed into "The AllSpark," evidently co-opting the name from ''Beast Machines'' and its description of the [[Transformer afterlife]].

The first ''Transformers'' movie depicted the AllSpark as the sole creator of the Transformers; a powerful, semi-sentient object of unknown manufacture, this artifact was responsible of energizing the [[living metal]] of Cybertron with [[Spark]]s and creating the first generation of Transformers. When loosed on Earth, AllSpark energy was capable of spontaneously imbuing [[human]] machinery with Transformer life, creating "[[AllSpark Mutation]]s" from mundane vehicles or appliances. As part of Hasbro's attempts at brand synergy, the AllSpark would also feature in that year's ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]'' cartoon, with more-or-less the same backstory, treating the mysterious object as the creator of the Cybertronian species, with individual fragments of the AllSpark displaying the power to bring new Transformers online from whatever inanimate objects happened to be in the vicinity. The AllSpark would appear again, almost a decade later, in 2018's ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Cyberverse]]'' cartoon, once more treated as the original provider of Cybertronian life.

Recent developments in the live-action series continuity family—most notably the introduction of the enigmatic "[[Creator (AOE)|Creator]]s"—have offered a possible insight into the ''true'' origin of the live-action version of the AllSpark, but no concrete information has yet surfaced.

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===Other origins===
[[File:Pulleys.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The theory of atechnogenesis proposes the Transformer race evolved naturally, rather than being created by an external force.]]
; Atechnogenesis
The very first origin ever put forth for the Transformers established that the Transformers had evolved through [[atechnogenesis]], a mechanical parallel to the Darwinian evolution of life on Earth and arising from the interaction between "naturally occurring gears, levers and pulleys" on the surface of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. This questionable theory was given in the [[The Transformers (issue)|very first ''Transformers'' comic ever produced]] and was quickly forgotten, though the concept occasionally crops up as an in-universe "atheist" viewpoint to contrast against more spiritual perspectives. A more serious take on the concept was published in a [[A Birth of Planet Saybertron|Japanese-exclusive manga]].

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; Migration
[[File:CybertronFossil.jpg|thumb|right|250px|''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' suggested that Cybertron was once home to organic creatures, long-since extinct.]]
Several installments of the Generation 1 continuity — most notably ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', but also ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)|Kiss Players]]'' — revealed that, long ago, the metallic world of Cybertron was once a verdant, Earthlike planet. The first episode of ''Beast Machines'' had [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] muse that the first Transformers "came to Cybertron," and subsequently learned to transform—an event that evidently coincided with the extinction of Cybertron's natural biosphere. The [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Japanese continuity]] would reconcile the basics of this premise with the cartoon's Quintesson origin, but no American media has ever expounded on Primal's words or their significance.

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; Biomechanical evolution
{{quote|The origins of our '''own''' planet are lost in the distant mists of time. Perhaps, once upon a time... '''Cybertron''' was something like '''this'''.|[[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]]|[[Spotlight: Nightbeat]]}}
[[File:SpotlightNightbeat GorlamPrimeUpgrading.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The [[Gorlamite]]s were once organic beings that came to adopt robotic forms.]]
In the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]], the world of [[Gorlam Prime]] was a planet whose [[Gorlamite|humanoid inhabitants]] developed a culture of cybernetic implants, rapidly shedding their biological forms to become a Transformer-like race and eventually rebuilding their planet into a metallic world and rechristening it "Cybertron." On a visit to Gorlam Prime during the earliest stages of this evolution, [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] idly wondered if Cybertron and its inhabitants had once passed through a similar phase. To date, no continuity has ever established this "biomechanical evolution" as a proven origin for the Transformer race, but a similar process is how the Transformers' sister race, the [[GoBots]] of [[Gobotron]], came to be.

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==Transformer biology==

===Physiology and variance in form===
{{quote|I take great pleasure, and indeed pride, in noting how varied we are throughout the cosmos and beyond. [[Noble (BM)|Organic Cybertronians]], [[Micromaster Combiner|modular Cybertronians]], [[Titan Master|Cybertronians]] [[binary bonding|binary-bonded]] to [[Overload (Armada)|other Cybertronians]], [[Headmaster (technology)|Cybertronians binary-bonded to organic life]], [[Pretender|Cybertronians with organic shells]], [[Combiner|Cybertronians who combine their sparks with other Cybertronians]], [[Duocon|Cybertronians who can split their sparks in twain]], [[Titan (group)|Cybertronians who become cities]], or [[Insecticon (WFC)|insects]], or [[Cosmos (G1)|starships]], or even [[Primus|planets]]... it makes my spark pulse brighter.|[[Vector Prime]]|[[Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 5/26/2015]]}}
: ''See also: [[Robot mode]], [[alternate mode]], [[scale]]''

[[File:G1Misfire boxart.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Most Transformers are essentially humanoid...]]

Traditionally, Transformers are living, sentient, emotional, and fully-mechanical beings. The vast majority of Transformers are built along a humanoid frame, generally referred to as their "[[robot mode]]:" two arms, two legs, a torso, and one head. This isn't to say that all Transformers are human''like'', however: some have unconventional limbs, their hands (or whole arm) replaced with tools, claws, weapons, or some other form of manipulator (like a [[beast mode]]'s head). Though most Transformers possess a pair of humanlike legs, some Transformers have opted for more exotic forms of locomotion; a Transformer might possess digitigrade legs, wheels or tractor treads instead of feet, or no discernible legs at all, floating on antigravity. Some Transformers have more or less than the normal number of limbs altogether, such as the six-armed [[Octus (G1)|Octus]]. Transformers' faces run the gamut of design, from looking like a metal human in a helmet, to characters like [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] or [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]], whose faces consist of little more than a single glowing eye, or more animalistic designs such as [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]].

[[File:ROTF Wheelbot concept art.jpg|thumb|left|250px|...but many are not.]]

While humanoid forms are the norm, they are certainly not the ''rule'', and it is not at all uncommon for a Transformer to possess a primary mode based on an animal or vehicle—for instance, [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], [[Grand Slam (G1)|Grand Slam]] and [[Raindance]], who transform from cassette tapes into a panther, a tank, and a jet, respectively. We consider these to be their "robot modes;" while they are definitely inhuman, they are at least capable of independent movement.

Transformers are ''generally'' large in comparison to Earth lifeforms; the average Transformer stands roughly four times the height of a human, depending on its size and shape. However, great variances in form are common; some Transformers, like the [[Mini-Con]]s, [[Micromaster]]s, [[Maximal]]s, or [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s, are approximately human sized. Still others, such as the [[Real Gear Robot]]s or the [[Transformers: BotBots|BotBots]], are small enough to fit in a human's palm.

On the other end of the scale, some Transformers are large enough to dwarf other Cybertronians. The colossal city-bots known as [[Titan (group)|Titan]]s are one such faction, transforming into entire cities for smaller Transformers to inhabit. Particularly large Transformers, like [[Unicron]] and [[Primus]], might transform into entire planets. In the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Cybertron]]'' series, the planet [[Gigantion]] is populated by both extremes: robots who tower over "normal"-sized Transformers, aided by their tiny Mini-Con partners. For the most part, however, the "average" Transformer ranges from about 15 to 40 feet in height.

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===Physical construction===
{{quote|You're a motorcycle, Arcee. Shouldn't you know how to build a motorcycle engine?" <br> "You're a human, Jack. Can you build me a small intestine?|[[Jack Darby]] and [[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]]|"[[Masters & Students]]"}}
:''See also: [[Living metal]], [[Transformation cog]], [[Brain module]], [[:Category:Transformer anatomy|Transformer anatomy]]''

[[File:BlitzwingDissectionDreamwave.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Transformer anatomy is made up of several different mechanical parts, each of which serves an important function.]]

Though their metal bodies were shown to be easily built by other Transformer from conventional materials, even the very earliest stories in the franchise showed that Transformers could feel pleasurable and painful sensations—physically "alive" in body, not just mind. This "[[living metal]]" was described as having a cellular structure in the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (cartoon)|''Victory'' cartoon]], a fact independently reiterated by the the Marvel [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|''Generation 2'' comic books]], which also established that Transformers possessed "genetic material" (useful when [[Reproduction|"budding"]]). It was the Marvel comic which first introduced the idea that the Transformers originally emerged from the very fabric of the planet Cybertron itself, an idea that has become the dominant "origin" story for the species in modern media, and the means by which new Transfomers come into being even in the present day. Following its introduction in the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|''Beast Wars'' cartoon]], the first stage of Transformer life, prior to taking on an alternate mode, has come to usually be depicted as the raw, featureless "[[protoform]]." As living matter, Transformers' bodies are even capable of being ravaged by [[:Category:Diseases|disease]].

Being mechanical creatures, Transformers possess a number of distinct parts that make up their anatomy; some are largely analogous to human components, but many others serve exotic purposes: complex fuel reactors and ammunition storage are among them. Significant components include the the [[transformation cog]], which controls a Cybertronian's ability to change shape, and the [[brain module]] and/or [[personality component]], which houses a Transformer's mind and controls the functions of the body.

===Transformation===
{{quote|Why do you transform into cars and things?" <br> "Simple. Disguise! Besides, it sure beats walking.|[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] and [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]]|[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]}}
:''See also: [[Transformation]], [[Transformation cog]], [[Scanning]], [[Action Master]], [[Monoformer]]
[[File:TarnAltMode.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Most Transformers are capable of changing between two or more different forms at will.]]
The eponymous, and most iconic, component of the ''Transformers'' franchise is, of course, their characteristic ability to [[transformation|transform]] from one shape to the other—in most cases, this involves changing from a humanoid [[robot mode]] into an [[alternate mode]]; this alternate mode is usually some kind of vehicle or creature, but Transformers across the multiverse have assumed unconventional forms: [[Metroplex (G1)|buildings]], [[Botanica (BM)|plants]], [[Ejector|household appliances]], or even [[Sprinkleberry D'uhnut|human food]].

The origins of transformation are varied; though some early stories implied that the Cybertronians were not initially created with the ability to transform, and instead depicted it as either a wartime innovation designed to disguise themselves from their opponents, or an unexpected side effect as a result of their rebuilding at the hands of the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' on [[Earth]]. In later stories, however, most, if not all, Transformers are born with a functioning alternate mode, with transformation being treated as a natural extension of their biology. Modern ''Transformers'' fiction has established that the complex mechanical "organ" known as the [[transformation cog]], or T-cog, allows a Cybertronian to transform; most Transformers in contemporary fiction can change their alternate modes at will (e.g., changing their Cybertronian vehicle mode into a suitable Earth disguise) through a process known as [[scanning]]. Some Cybertronians possess unique forms of transformation: they may have the ability to [[Jumpstarter|transform much faster than "regular" Transformers]] or the ability to assume [[Triple Changer|multiple alternate modes]], for instance.

Some Transformers, however, may ''lose'' the ability to transform over their lifetimes; the [[Marvel Comics continuity]] depicted this as a symptom of inducing mutagenic [[Nucleon (substance)|Nucleon]] as a fuel source, sacrificing transformation for enhanced durability and power, while in the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] the decision to give up one's alternate mode was a religious choice which involved voluntarily removing one's [[Transformation cog]].

===Sparks===
{{quote|We call it a 'Spark'. It contains our life force and our memories." <br> "Yeah, we call that a 'soul.'|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Cade Yeager]]|''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]''}}
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[[File:The Spark Rhinox spark.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The presence of an animating spark is what separates most Transformers from simple robots.]]

Though their bodies and minds are mechanical, Transformers are not mere automatons: they are thinking, feeling, fully intelligent beings, and this is due to the presence of a [[spark]]: a specially charged mass of photons that resides within their mechanical frames, serving as the animating "life-force" of a Transformer. The concept of sparks was first introduced in the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' animated series, but has gone on to inform every incarnation of the Transformers franchise, and has even been retroactively applied to the earliest Generation 1 continuities. In all of these continuities, the basic role that the spark plays has not changed: a Transformer's life effectively begins with the creation of a spark, and ends when that spark is extinguished.

However, the spark's relationship to the rest of the Transformer is somewhat nebulous. In some continuities, a spark ''is'' the sum totality of a Transformer; it can be [[Spark extractor|extracted]] from the body of one Cybertronian and implanted into the body of another, effectively "uploading" the memories and personality encoded in the Spark into a new body. In other continuities, the spark's presence in the body is harder to define; in these continuities, it coexists with other components crucial to Transformer life, such as the [[brain module]], making it harder to define where certain aspects of Transformer life begin or end. Certainly, though, both mind and spark are required for a Transformer to be considered "truly alive"—those Cybertronian beings who are created ''without'' sparks are generally referred to as "[[drone]]s," and while their programming may allow these drones to adopt a convincing imitation of life and intelligence, other Cybertronians generally do not consider them to be truly "alive."

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===Fuel===
{{quote|No more artificial '''energon''' derivatives, no more scrabbling for micro-ergs of some foul local brew. This... is the '''real''' thing!|[[Starscream (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Starscream]]|[[Infiltration issue 6|Infiltration #6]]}}
: ''See also: [[Energon]], [[Dark Energon]], [[Synthetic Energon]], [[Transformer fuel]], [[Nucleon (substance)|Nucleon]], [[:Category:Power sources|Power sources]]

[[File:EnergonCubesCartoon1.jpg|left|thumb|200px|In the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|1984 cartoon]], Transformers can process different types of fuel into [[energon cube]]s, their primary energy source.]]

Unlike humans, who require food, air, and water to survive, the only substance Cybertronians require to assure their continued functioning is a fuel source—though for a species as large and powerful as the Transformers, the average Cybertronian consumes a ''significant'' amount of fuel on a regular basis. This desire for energy has led to many wars, and the frequent depletion of their home planet's energy sources. Though early stories such as the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel comic]], suggested that Cybertronians could directly convert human energy sources like oil and gasoline, into a nebulously-defined [[Transformer fuel]], it wasn't long before the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|1984 cartoon]] introduced the concept of "[[energon]]:" a Cybertronian fuel that could be created by processing other fuel sources into an [[energon cube]], which generally became the default form of Transformer fuel going forward.

[[File:Roadhandler cardart.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The [[Micromaster]] upgrade allows Transformers to downsize into smaller, more fuel-efficient bodies.]]

To survive the constant fuel shortages, various Transformers across the multiverse have attempted to find means of either reducing or circumventing their reliance on energon. Alternate fuel sources, such as [[Nucleon (substance)|Nucleon]], [[Angolmois]], or even the dreaded [[Dark Energon]], can fulfill most of the energy needs of a Transformer, but may have unpredictable side effects. Some continuities have expanded on Marvel's idea, and asserted that while Transformers ''can'' synthesize a usable fuel substitute from local energy sources, this Energon derivative is largely inefficient and offers poor fuel efficiency, making it a poor substitute for the genuine article. In other instances, Transformers may upgrade themselves into more fuel-efficient bodies, capable of functioning on exponentially less energon than other Transformers. The most famous of these are the [[Micromaster]]s, who derogatorily refer to other Transformers as "[[Macromaster|guzzlers]]." The [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s of [[Beast Era]] Cybertron would follow in their footsteps; by their time, three hundred years after the end of the Great War, the entire Transformer race had downsized to the point where they were only slightly taller than an average [[human]].

Not ''all'' Transformers exclusively rely on energon, however, and some Transformers have developed various solutions to cheaply convert organic material into energy. The Generation 1 [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]]s were one such group, who could sustain themselves by eating both organic and inorganic matter. Transformers who upgraded themselves into [[Powermaster]]s, meanwhile, could [[binary bonding|binary-bond]] with a specially-augmented biological partner, using this smaller lifeform's metabolism as a battery to fuel their systems in the absence of energon. In some universes, such as ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'', the Maximals and Predacons have displayed the power to directly process food into energon by using their beast modes, though this is not a universally-established ability.

===Combination===
[[File:G1Defensor-VisualWorks.jpg|thumb|left|200px|[[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] is the combined form of the five [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], but possesses his own independent consciousness and personality.]]
{{quote|Wow, how come we can't do that?" <br> "I don't know, I think they're double-jointed.|[[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] and [[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]] on [[Rail Racer (RID)|Rail Racer]]|[[Bullet Train to the Rescue]]}}
: ''See also: [[Combiner]], [[Micromaster Combiner]], [[Power Core Combiners]], [[Multiforce]], [[Mini-Con]]

Some Transformers have displayed the ability to physically unite with one or more Cybertronians to assume a single, unified shape. These unusual Transformers are known as "[[combiner]]s." The exact nature of this combination depends on the individuals. Some Transformers, such as the [[Mini-Con]]s, are capable of undergoing a unique form of combination known as "[[powerlinx|powerlinking]]," where the smaller partner is able to imbue their to their "bulk" partner with extra powers, and, in some cases, new weaponry.

In rare cases, two Transformers may combine to form a single, shared vehicle mode, such as the [[Micromaster Combiner]]s. In other situations, teams of Transformers may unite to form weapons or tools, such as the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]], the combined form of the [[Mini-Con]] [[Air Defense Mini-Con Team (Armada)|Air Defense Team]]. Generally, though, the most famous and memorable combiners are those Transformers who unite into a single "super robot," an exponentially larger and more powerful being than any of its components. This super robot, or "gestalt," may be made up of as few as two Transformers, or as many as six, but in most cases this combined form is, essentially, his or her own character, possessing a unique personality and consciousness that's more than just the sum total of their parts.

The origins of combination, when explored, are not particularly clear; the earliest fictions treated it as a unique trait that ''only'' these Transformers could possess through nebulous means, but as the ''Transformers'' franchise evolved other continuities would introduce various supernatural artifacts—such as the [[Spark of Combination]] or the [[Enigma of Combination]]—which could instantaneously change ''any'' group of Cybertronians into a functional combiner.
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===Weapons and abilities===
: ''See also: [[Weapon]], [[ability]]''
{{quote|Have a mechanical malfunction, courtesy of my concussion cannon!|[[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]]|[[Heavy Traffic!]]}}

[[File:Shermandam.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Some Transformers can project energy into a physical form, creating weapons like the [[energon-axe]] and [[energon mace]].]]

Even the most peaceful Cybertronian is far from harmless; while the sheer bulk of their massive mechanical bodies poses an inadvertent threat to smaller life-forms, most, if not all, Transformers also have access to a devastating variety of weapons. The earliest ''Transformers'' stories faithfully depicted the various accessories packaged with indidividual toys as unique handheld weapons, with [[Bob Budiansky]] coming up with a wide variety of powers to set each gun apart from the next, such as [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]]'s signature [[glass gas]]. Other weapons, such as [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]'s shoulder-mounted cannons, are directly incorporated into their physical form. Like humans, Transformers may display a proficiency with long-ranged artillery weapons, medium-ranged rifles and pistols, or melee weapons like axes and swords. Individual weapons display varying levels of sophistication: melee weapons may be made out of solid metal alloys or pure energy, while their guns may fire bullets, slugs, chemical compounds, or exotic laser botls.

[[File:Prime optimusionblaster.jpg|thumb|left|300px|The [[ion blaster]] is a signature weapon for [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]] in many ''Transformers'' stories.]]

Where exactly Transformers ''store'' these weapons when not wielding them was something of a mystery for many years; some obscure media would later declare that the majority of Transformers have access to a "[[subspace storage pocket]]:" a miniature dimension capable of storing matter, and the place where weapons and other accessories (eg.g. Optimus Prime's trailer) went when not in use. Later stories, most prominently the original 2007 film and its sequel, would drop this concept entirely. Rather, these stories depicted the various weapons of any given Transformer as "built-in" extensions of their natural bodies, depicting their weapons as physical transformations for their hand and forearm. This treatment carried over into the 2011 ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]'' cartoon, though it would be dropped once again for [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|its 2015 sequel]].

In other instances, Transformers may possess rare abilities that, while they may not have a directly offensive use, set the Transformer apart from their comrades. Depending on the universe, these may be the result of natural upgrades to their bodies, or a sort of "genetic mutation" that distinguishes them from other Transformers—see [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]'s ability to [[teleportation|teleport]] himself from place to place, or [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]]'s power to generate magnetic fields.

===Organic components===
[[File:MTMTELandmine.jpg|thumb|right|200px|[[Pretender]] technology augments Cybertronians with quasi-organic outer "shells."]]
{{quote|So what are we? Robots, or animals?"<br>"Both... and neither.|[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] and [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]]|"[[Master of the House]]"}}
: ''See also: [[Binary bonding]], [[Pretender]], [[Technorganic]], [[Maximal]], [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]''

[[File:Cheetorbw.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Future generations of Cybertronians use [[DNA scanner]]s to adopt the forms of organic creatures]]

Cybertronians are a constantly-developing race, and after making contact with non-mechanical intelligences both Autobots and Decepticons have been known to harness the potential of organic life, as both weapons of war and to advance their own development as a species. Though these upgrades are powerful, and frequently coveted by other Cybertronians, not ''all'' Cybertronians are convinced of the soundness of this so-called "evolutionary leap;" some Transformers view the prospect of carbon-based life as repulsive, and these technologies as revolting or downright heretical.

The fusion between organic and mechanical takes many forms across the vast ''Transformers'' multiverse, running the gamut from simple [[binary bonding|binary-bonded]] partnerships—where a Transformer develops a symbiotic partnership with a smaller creature, to the point where they may telepathically merge into a single entity—to the advanced [[Pretender]] armor, concealing the mechanical shape of a Transformer beneath a specially-tailored "shell" that incorporates organic matter. These so-called "Pretenders" possess enhanced regenerative abilities, with their shells even allowing them to pass as non-robotic humanoids.

In those future universes where the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]] gives way to the [[Beast Era]], the [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s will go on to develop advanced [[DNA scanner]]s; thanks to advancements in both [[Micromaster]] and Pretender technology, these future Cybertronians are able to copy genetic material and directly integrate organic components into their structures, allowing them to disguise themselves as organic life without the need for an external Pretender shell. Even this arrangement can be enhanced: exposure to the energies of the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]] can unite both forms of life at the cellular level to create the first "[[technorganic]]" Transformers, a form of life said to be neither organic nor technological.

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===Gender===
[[File:Revolution5-Windbladeprofile.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Changing attitudes in the ''Transformers'' brand led to the creation of [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] as a new "headline" female character.]]
{{quote|Female Autobots?! I thought they were extinct!|[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]|"[[The Search for Alpha Trion]]"}}
{{main|Female Transformer}}
As a kid-friendly franchise first and foremost, most continuities have established that Transformers reproduce through decidedly asexual means; despite this, however, the Cybertronian species is usually depicted with a degree of {{w|sexual dimorphism}}, with clearly "male" and "female" robots coexisting, both in fiction and on toy shelves—though the male-to-female ratio has been historically skewed greatly in favor of the former. In early ''Transformers'' installments (and even some later stories!), female Transformers were presented as an aberration of sorts, their femininity sometimes the result of alien interference or malevolent genetic experimentation, and treated as something "outside" the Cybertronian norm. Changes in the real-world pop culture landscape, and an increased number of female writers in the ''Transformers'' franchise, have led to more recent works taking steps to depict female Cybertronians and their gender presentation as nothing particularly different from their male counterparts: just a natural aspect of the Cybertronian species.

As a kid's franchise, the topic of what Transformer gender really ''means'' in a society of asexual robots hasn't really been explored in most continuities, though some works, most notably IDW's older-skewing comics, have used their settings to tackle some deeper issues relating to gender and gender identity in Transformer society and the real world.

The earliest female Transformers introduced to the mythos: [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]], [[Moonracer (G1)|Moonracer]], [[Firestar (G1)|Firestar]], [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], and so on, were generally depicted as curvier than the boxy "male" Transformers, looking more like attractive human women in armor than anything else. Since then, however, female Transformers have been allowed to diversify in appearance and personality, giving us some less-stereotypical females like ''Beast Machines'' [[Strika (BM)|Strika]] and ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Strongarm (RID)|Strongarm]], while new headline characters like [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] have increased representation of female characters as a whole in the franchise.

==Transformer life cycle==
The life cycle of the Transformer race differs greatly from those of organic species.
===Birth===
[[File:Protoforms2.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Many continuities feature [[protoform]]s as the earliest stage of a Transformer life.]]
{{quote|The sparks give rise to '''sentience'''. The metal gains '''form'''... and the '''protoforms''' emerge. A '''generation new'''.|[[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]|[[The Transformers: Salvation|Salvation]]}}
: ''See also: [[Reproduction]], [[Protoform]], [[hatchling]], [[M.T.O.|Made To Order Soldiers]]''
The vast majority of ''Transformers'' continuities have firmly established that the Transformers reproduce asexually, though the individual mechanisms of just ''how'' a new Transformer comes to life can vary even within the same fictional universe. The creation of a new Transformer generally begins with the ignition of a [[spark]]—whether this spark comes from the living computer [[Vector Sigma]], the [[AllSpark]] itself, or a [[sacred implement]] such as the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and its [[Primal Program]] depends on the story—and then infusing that spark into a suitable body. In some instances, such as those Transformers brought to life directly by the [[AllSpark]], this body can be a mundane Earth machine, its structure supernaturally altered to become the [[living metal]] that makes up all Transformers, but, for the most part, most continuities have established that new Transformers begin as a "[[protoform]]:" a humanoid mass of liquid metal that requires the infusion of a [[spark]] to become a full-fledged Transformer. A protoform quickly develops into a new Transformer after accepting a spark; though the specifics are rarely elaborated upon, this process is ''generally'' understood to be very fast, occurring in a matter of days, hours, or even minutes, depending on the continuity. In Transformer society at large, "protoform" is often used as a shorthand equivalency for childhood or infancy, and Transformers are frequently said to have been "forged" as a Cybertronian synonym for "born."

[[File:Your First Mistake - Army Building Seekers.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Other Transformers are manually assembled, like conventional machines, and subsequently given life through the infusion of a Spark.]]

In other circumstances, a Spark may bypass the protoform stage entirely, and is implanted into a pre-constructed Transformer body; after this infusion, the new Transformer simply springs to life. Still other continuities have established that Transformers are capable of "[[Reproduction#budding|budding]]," a {{w|mitosis|mitosis}}-like process in which a Transformer sacrifices some of its own essence to create a new protoform.

The Transformers of the live-action movie series appear to be the exception to this rule; multiple Transformer characters have alluded to possessing fathers and mothers (the implications of these statements have never been explored), while in this continuity new Transformers begin as feral "[[hatchling]]s," who spend their early days nourishing themselves in egg sac-like "pods" of energon. Certainly this seems to point towards the Transformers having some kind of familial relationships, though how exactly these tie into that universe's overarching mythology of the AllSpark and the "[[Creator (AOE)|Creator]]s" is something of a mystery.

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===Early life===
[[File:Shining armor 1 baby stardrive.jpg|thumb|right|200px|At five days old, [[Stardrive]] has already developed her "adult" appearance.]]
{{quote|But back then, I was just a '''kid'''. I had to learn to talk, and interact with people. By my '''fifth solar cycle''', I was... '''considerably bigger''' than [[Elonian|my classmates]].|[[Stardrive]]|[[Shining Armor issue 1|Shining Armor #1]]}}

: ''See also:[[:Category:Transformer education|Transformer education]]''

While [[human]] children might take years to master the various skills required of them in later life, Transformers are brought online as more-or-less independent lifeforms, their personalities ranging anywhere from early adolescence to full maturity. These new Cybertronians are essentially adults, capable of making decisions and fending for themselves without any kind of parental guidance. It is for this reason that most Transformers do not possess, or even have any concept, of parental units or familial bonds. The sole exception to this rule are [[twin]]s; akin to the splitting of a human zygote, twins are generally depicted as the product of a "split spark," granting them a unique, quasi-telepathic "sibling bond," and occasionally manifesting the power to [[combiner|combine]] with one another. Many depictions of Transformer "childhood" tend towards the comedic and are thus of dubious veracity; for instance, [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] claimed that he had been a non-transforming tricycle in his youth.

[[File:Autobot Cadets.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Institutions like [[Autobot boot camp]] build teamwork and co-operative skills between young Autobots.]]

The personality and traits of a Transformer also seem to be established rather quickly after coming online; this can occasionally lead to strange situations, where the deep-voiced, chivalric hero [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]] is in fact ''younger'' than the excitable, childlike [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]. Similar oddities occur across the franchise.

As a consequence of their unusual life cycle, most Transformers do not have much of a concept of "childhood" as humans know it, perhaps explaining why the Autobots are so prone to taking human children into harm's way. As a war story first and foremost, generally taking place long after the collapse of any functioning society, few continuities have explored how young Cybertronians are formally socialized and educated; indeed, most newborn Transformers are immediately thrust into the front lines to continue the war. Those scant references to early life ''do'' depict young Transformers learning life skills in a group setting, whether this is through ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Cybertron's]]'' [[primary programming]], or a more military-flavoured education such as ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[Autobot boot camp]]. More specialized institutions, such as ''Animated''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[Cyber-Ninja Dojo]] or [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW]]'s [[Ultirex Technoversity]], suggest that some Transformers may choose to focus on specific academic or military fields as part of their vocational path.

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===Lifespan===
[[File:AniRatchetPromoModel.jpg|thumb|right|200px|At more than four million years old, the elderly Transformer [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] is evidently approaching the end of his lifespan.]]
{{quote|I may be old, boys, but I've still got what it takes. Age before beauty, gentlemen!|[[Bulkhead (Energon)|Bulkhead]]|"[[Jungle Planet (episode)|Jungle Planet]]"}}
: ''See also: [[:Category:Elderly Transformers|Elderly Transformers]]''

As mechanical beings, most Cybertronians are an incredibly long-lived, and even "young" Transfomers may be older than any living thing on planet Earth. Though the specifics may vary, Transformers measure time in terms of millions of years and generally exist on a fundamentally different timescale than humanity—the precise age of Transformer civilization differs from one continuity to the next, from [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW]]'s twelve million years to ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s claim of "over ten ''billion'' [years]"—but across all of these continuities it's made clear that Cybertronians are not bound to the fleeting lifespans of short-lived organic beings; their histories, empires, and wars playing out over a period of geological epochs.

A conservative estimate would put the average Transformer lifespan at four to seven million years, though some universes, most recently 2018's ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Cyberverse]]'' cartoon, has suggested that its cast of characters are more than 65 million years old, with the Autobots having landed on Earth during the end of the {{w|Late Cretaceous|Late Cretaceous}} era.

An individual Cybertronian might grow to a venerable age, outlasting entire civilizations in the process, but they are not truly immortal beings. Though one might assume that, as robotic lifeforms, a Cybertronian could simply replace worn-out parts indefinitely, it is clear that Cybertronians ''do'' age, may indeed become "elderly," (in some cases, this manifests as a variety of memory and mobility-related problems) and even die from age-related complications, such as [[cybercrosis]]. The precise nature of Transformer aging is not well-understood, though several continuities, such as the [[Transformers: Wings Universe|Wings Universe]] or the live-action film series, have linked the process to a prolonged period of fuel depletion. These sorts of "natural" deaths are very rare in the franchise; as ''Transformers'' is a war story first and foremost, it is far more common to have Transformer lives simply cut short for one reason or another.

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===Death and the afterlife===
[[File:Afterdeath-gameoverman.jpg|thumb|right|200px|A powerful enough explosion can fatally blow a Transformer apart.]]

{{quote|He lived a warrior... and died a hero. Let his spark join the Matrix, the greatest of Cybertron.|[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] euologizes [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]]|"[[Code of Hero]]"}}
:''See also: [[Death]], [[Transformer afterlife]], [[Transformer funerary practices]], [[Zombie]]

Though long-lived, powerful, and able to quickly recover from even grievous injuries, Cybertronians are not invincible, and can be killed like any other lifeform, as has been demonstrated again and again by their endless wars. Exactly what it ''takes'' to bring down a Transformer varies from one continuity to the next—and, more cynically, as the needs of the plot demand—but for the most part the death of a Transformer is accompanied by the extinguishment of its spark.

Transformers can be killed through ways that are analogous to human causes of death: they can be shot, stabbed, blown to bits, or otherwise damaged by weapons to the point where their body can no longer function, their heads and torsos can be mutilated beyond repair by [[decapitation]] or simple blunt impact trauma, or their physical structures can be broken down by toxic compounds designed to damage their [[living metal]]. A Transformer can be "poisoned," sometimes lethally so, by ingesting the wrong kind of fuel, or they can simply "starve" to death if they are unable to refuel for long enough. Transformers may also die from uniquely robotic causes; long-term exposure to exotic forms of radiation may short out their circuitry, while exotic diseases like [[Cosmic Rust (disease)|Cosmic Rust]] or [[Scraplet]]s can destroy their mechanical bodies from within. In those universes where science and sorcery coexist, Cybertronians have also displayed a glaring vulnerability to [[magic]]. As a story of war, all of these fates and worse have befallen various Transformers across the multiverse.

[[File:Henkei starscreams ghost.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Starscream's mutated spark was somehow able to sustain his consciousness after death, surviving as an incorporeal [[ghost]].]]

Unlike humans, however, who may or may not profess a ''belief'' in an afterlife without any concrete evidence, the various [[Transformer afterlife|afterlives]] are generally regarded as real; when a Transformer's spark is extinguished, it merely returns to the metaphysical dimension alternately referred to as the "Allspark" or "Afterspark," supposedly connected to the entirety of the Transformer race across the multiverse, where it can commune with the other spirits of the departed.

Death does not necessarily mark the end for a Transformer, however. It is possible that a Transformer may return to life if the spark can be plucked from the afterlife and safely transferred into a new vessel. In other cases, the spark itself may choose to re-enter our physical world if the need is great and resume life as a mortal Transformer. A handful of Transformers, most infamously [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], have displayed the ability to survive the complete physical destruction of their body and continue existence as a spectral "[[ghost]]," displaying typically ghostly skills such as intangibility and the power to possess the bodies of other Transformers. Various sources have flagged this ability as a rare spark-based "mutation," and as such it is the exception, not the rule.

In still other instances, Transformers may be resurrected as [[zombie]]s; in most cases, these are dead Transformers whose physical shells have merely fallen under the control of another, and lack the sparks that characterize Cybertronians as truly "alive."

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==Transformer culture==
[[File:WOTF Emotion.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Transformers can exhibit any number of personality types, including [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|loving]] [[Elita One (G1)|couples]], [[Beachcomber (G1)|peaceful creatures]], [[Hot Shot (Armada)|impetuous adolescents]] and [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|omnicidal maniacs]].]]

Regardless of continuity, the most distinctive facet of Cybertronian society has been its near-continuous state of [[Cybertronian Civil Wars|planetary Civil War]] between the [[Autobot]]s and the [[Decepticon]]s. The conflict is mostly defined by what each faction believes is the "destiny" of the Transformers: the Autobots believe in a peaceful society where Cybertron is a place of culture and justice, while the Decepticons believe in a "might makes right" philosophy where Cybertron would be the center of a [[Decepticon Empire|mighty empire]]. The fact that the vast majority of what we know about Transformers has been shaped by this constant, corrosive warfare should not be overlooked.

===Society===
{{quote|Everyone's Shape Serves A Purpose|A [[Functionism|Functionist]] slogan|"[[Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It]]", "[[Shadowplay, Part 1: Post Hoc|Post Hoc]]"}}

:''See also: [[Functionism]], [[Caste system]], [[Pax Cybertronia]], [[Cybertronian colonies]]

[[File:Bigredkhanna.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Cybertronian civilization bears many similarities to human societies on Earth.]]

Individual depictions of life on both pre-war and post-war Cybertron have varied wildly from one continuity to the next, but most continuities have established that Transformers organized themselves into societies comparable to most modern human civilizations, with many of the same hallmarks: a written language, clear division of labour, an organized government, complex social hierarchies, and education systems designed to pass on knowledge and culture to newly-forged Transforemrs. Individual career paths on Cybertron are largely analogous to many human jobs: [[Stockade (RID)|soldiers]], [[Arcee (Animated)|teachers]], [[Constructicon (G1)|construction workers]], [[Terminus (G1)|miners]], [[Circuit (G1)|journalists]], [[Megatron (SG)|professors]], [[Perceptor (G1)|scientists]], [[Maccadam|bartenders]], and [[Windsweeper|sanitation engineers]], to name a few. Other facets of society are similarly Earth-like, with [[Needlenose (G1)|fads and fashions]], [[Overload (RID)|theater]], [[Rippersnapper (SG)|film]], [[Mirage (G1)|aristocracy]], [[Empty|poverty]], and so on. Millions of years old, life on Cybertron is very much guided by ancient traditions and millennia-old schools of thought, and many Transformers regard their forebears with great reverence and respect—even if a cursory analysis of the history books reveals that those "ancestors" were not particularly upstanding individuals themselves.

Unlike humans, however, Cybertronians place great importance on the value of their shapeshifting abilities and [[alternate mode]]s, and have been known to divide themselves into social groupings based on this premise. Depending on the universe, those Transformers who share a similar alternate mode or profession—for instance, all Transformers who become aircraft, or those who work in Cybertron's various scientific fields—may be lumped together under a single, inflexible social group or caste. The rigidity of this system varies by continuity, but some universes have taken this concept to the extreme, such as the [[Aligned continuity family]]'s depiction of its [[caste system]] or IDW's [[Functionism]] as the defining trait of pre-war Cybertron. In many continuities, pre-war Cybertron has been depicted as something of a dystopia; whether this is due to energy shortages, an oppressive government, and simple cultural stagnation, these stories portray the planet and its culture as crumbling, highly stratified between "haves" and "have-nots," and overseen by a bloated and corrupt government in the final years before the rise of the Decepticons. Not ''all'' modern ''Transformers'' fiction adheres to this rule, however, such as IDW's [[Transformers (2019 comic)|2019 comic reboot]] and its decision to reimagine the planet as an enlightened, largely egalitarian utopia.

[[File:Planetmicro landscape.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Cybertronians have been known to colonize distant worlds, such as the planet [[Micro]].]]

The Transformers are a naturally expansionistic race, and their development has been punctuated by the periodic [[Cybertronian colonies|colonization]] of other planets throughout the universe. What this colonization entails depends on the intentions of the Cybertronians; Cybertronians may change their worlds to fit their needs through [[eco-structuring]], strip-mining and rebuilding the planet into a miniature copy of Cybertron, while in other cases Cybertronians may adapt by changing ''themselves'', leaving the planet in a more-or-less natural state. Many universes have established that this period of colonization and expansion occurred in the distant past, with the various colonies cut off from Cybertron in the present day; in the interim, these isolated Transformer outposts may develop over time to become entirely new kinds of Transformer, with their own unique societies.

[[File:TheAutonomyLesson-spaceport.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Post-war Cybertronian society is marked by periods of turmoil and reconstruction.]]

Wartime Cybertronian society is portrayed as heavily polarized between Autobot and Decepticon. Neutrality is rare, and when [[neutral]]s do exist, they generally fare poorly, becoming victims of Decepticon abuse and destruction or being otherwise forced to flee the planet. Those rare universes where the Great War is allowed to come to an end feature reconciliation and reconstruction efforts aimed at rebuilding a wounded planet and otherwise move on from a dark era of death and destruction. But some Transformers are incapable of letting go of their grudges; armed pockets of resistance may hold out for years on backwater planets, while more clever individuals may gather like-minded dissidents to plot revenge from the shadows. Years after the ratification of an official armistice, even the most open-minded of Transformers may still continue clinging to old allegiances, with post-war society developing along strict factionalist lines.

Some Transformers refer to the ideal outcome of Cybertronian civilization as the "[[Pax Cybertronia]]," ushering in a prosperous future for the galaxy by bringing lasting peace to the Transformer homeworld and beyond.

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===War===
{{quote|'''Unity''' would give way to '''discord'''... '''civil war''' begat a '''Golden Age''' which begat a '''new''' civil war. "'''Why'''" is the question. Why...is Cybertron locked in this '''cycle'''?|[[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]]|[[The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named]]}}

:''See also: [[Cybertronian Civil Wars]], [[:Category:Wars|Wars]]

[[File:BattleForCybertron.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Most ''Transformers'' stories are set during the "[[Great War (G1)|Great War]]" between the [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s.]]

The history of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] is the history of a planet wracked by brutal civil wars, interspersed with comparatively brief "[[Golden Age]]s" of peace and prosperity. Not unlike [[human]]ity, the process of war and reconciliation tends to be depressingly cyclical: the outcome of one war leads to a disaffected group of individuals who inevitably spark the next great war. Though the most famous war in the ''Transformers'' multiverse tends to be the so-called "Great War," between the (generally) heroic [[Autobot]]s and the (usually) villainous [[Decepticon]]s, many other equally destructive conflicts can and have occurred: the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]], the [[Machine Wars (event)|Machine Wars]], or the [[Grand Uprising]], have all pitted millions of Transformers against one another for control of Cybertron, and sometimes the entire galaxy.

The longevity and power of the Cybertronian race mans that their wars tend to be brutal, drawn-out affairs, frequently lasting for millions of years and potentially stretching across dozens of planets—these may be [[Cybertronian colonies]], or "neutral" worlds populated by primitive organics. In many of these conflicts, Cybertron itself is rendered uninhabitable, forcing the war off-world. Cybertronians at war do not seem to follow any kind of rules of engagement analogous to humanity's {{w|Geneva Conventions}}; civilians, noncombatants, and wounded soldiers are considered to be viable targets, and the inhabitants of neutral planets may be exterminated, their homes [[Eco-structuring|cyberformed]], to expand the aegis of a potential [[Decepticon Empire]]. Wide-scale atrocities and ever-more elaborate weapons of war are common, and even many Autobot leaders across the multiverse have found themselves making morally questionable decisions in the name of victory.

The constant wars of the Cybertronian race have greatly stunted their potential development as a species; in [[Nexus 208.0 Epsilon|one of the few universes]] where Cybertron did ''not'' collapse into civil war, the Transformers of that universe gradually evolved into a [[Transcendent Technomorph|highly advanced breed of life]] and devised a system of cross-dimensional travel.

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===Politics===
{{quote|Oh, ''great'' system, your "democracy"! No mechanism to break a tie!|[[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]]|[[Chain of Command (BW)|Chain of Command]]}}
:''See also: [[Transformer government]], [[High Council (disambiguation)|High Council]], [[Prime (rank)]], [[Decepticon leader]]
[[File:Multiplicity Jetfire before High Council.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Many Transformer governments are oligarchic in nature, overseen by a "High Council" of appointed officials.]]

Most Transformer governments are non-democratic in nature, overseen by one or more particularly wise or experienced individuals. This government may be oligarchic in nature, such as the various "[[High Council (disambiguation)|High Council]]s" present throughout the multiverse, monarchic, such as the ancient [[Overlord (rank)|Overlords]] of the [[Marvel Comics continuity]], or an outright dictatorship—benevolent or not. All of them seem to wield a great deal of power over both military and civilian institutions. During wartime situations, command over a faction generally falls to a single autocratic leader, occasionally known as the [[Supreme Commander]]. Though they may seek counsel and consent from their followers, ultimately wartime decisions are theirs and theirs alone to make. Very few continuities have ever depicted a free or open electoral process on pre-war Cybertron.

On the planetary level, Cybertron is generally organized into a series of autonomous [[Polities of Cybertron|city-state]]s with their own independent governments; some continuities have established that this present-day state of events is the result of the fracturing of larger empires during the earliest days of the Cybertronian race. Depending on the universe, these city-states may be represented by Senators, who meet to discuss international issues as part of the planetary governing body known as the [[Senate]].

Particularly noble or otherwise pious Transformers, such as the Autobots, may gravitate to leadership under a single powerful individual known as a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], who serves as a head of state, spiritual leader, and commander-in-chief all in one. In most franchises, this Prime is leader of the Autoobts, and their leadership is demonstrated by their ability to wield the Autobot [[Matrix of Leadership]] which is generally passed from one successor to the next. Several continuities have demonstrated that Autobot leaders ''can'' be removed by the [[Crisis Act]]—essentially a vote of no confidence—but this law is not universal. In the ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]'' continuity, the supreme commander of Autobot civilization is known as a [[Magnus (rank)|Magnus]], who answers to Cybertron's civilian and military guilds.

Those Transformers who rally under the flag of the Decepticons, however, bow only to the supremacy of the [[Decepticon leader|most powerful]] and normally have ''no'' mechanism for peaceful handover of power: power struggles within the faction have occasionally erupted in the form of a [[Decepticon Civil War]].

By the era of the Maximals and Predacons, the planet is dually ruled by both the [[Maximal Elder|Maximal Council of Elders]] and the [[Tripredacus Council]], each seeming to hold jurisdictions over their respective factions. Both appear to be composed of war veterans from the Great War, Autobot and Decepticon veterans who have retired from an active role in Cybertronian life in favour of guiding a new generation of Transformers. The episode "[[Chain of Command (BW)|Chain of Command]]" suggests that Maximal society is [[democracy|democratic]] in nature, though IDW's ''Beast Wars'' comic would namedrop the [[Maximal Imperium]] as the name of their government.

===Religion===
{{quote|You gotta wonder: if God made man in his image, who made ''him''?|[[Robert Epps]] on [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]|''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''}}
:''See also: [[Religion]], [[:Category:Gods|Gods]]''

[[File:TheSumAndItsParts-OptimusMatrix.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The devout inhabitants of [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]] worshipped [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] as a living god.]]

Across the multiverse, different ''Transformers'' stories have introduced a wide range of potential belief systems for the Cybertronian race—beliefs that have an alarming tendency of eventually being revealed as more-or-less true. Very rarely are Transformers or their society ''writ large'' depicted as atheistic; most Cybertronians seem to hold at least some religious beliefs, though the nature of thieir faiths are not always clearly outlined. Most Autobots (and even some Decepticons), for instance, view the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to be a divine artifact, a combination sacred talisman and symbol of office. Sacred texts such as the [[Covenant of Primus]] and various religious rituals are common enough to be considered largely unremarkable in Cybertronian society.

Just like humans, groups of Transformers may choose to worship various deities, or differing aspects of the same deity. In most series, worship of [[Primus]] is the most predominant of these faiths, though permutations of Primus-worship take many different shapes; the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]], for instance, conflated Primus with the benevolent pantheon of deities known as the [[Guiding Hand]]. In more recent continuities, Cybertronians have been known to worship the [[Thirteen]], treating them as infallible demigods, and some particularly pious individuals may choose to deify ''all'' those Transformers who hold the rank of [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] or carry the Matrix of Leadership.

[[File:WarWithin Escalation Bludgeons vision.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Some religious choices may have unintended consequences.]]

Other religions are more sinister in nature; ''particularly'' malevolent Cybertronians may choose to partake in illicit rites aimed at channeling arcane forces such as "[[dark science]]." Still others may choose to forsake Transformer society entirely by worshipping the dreaded [[Unicron]]. Among their number are the evil member of the Thirteen known as "[[The Fallen]]," and a number of different incarnations of [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], both of whom have pledged to actively spread chaos and disharmony across the universe in service of their new master.

A handful of Transformers have displayed the ability to manifest paranormal powers outside the scope of natural Cybertronian science; they may have gained these powers as part of a dark pact with arcane forces, or they may be the result of studying mystical disciplines, like [[magic]]. These rare Transformers may be able to weave illusions, cast spells, fire bolts of mystical energy, commune with or resurrect deceased Transformers, or even divine the future.

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===Sciences===
[[File:Spacebridge (Cyberverse - Fractured).jpg|thumb|right|250px|[[Space bridge]]s allow Transformers to instantaneously warp from one location to another, regardless of distance.]]
{{quote|This ship is literally out of this world! Even the [[Fantastic Four]]'s brilliant leader, [[Mister Fantastic|Reed Richards]], would feel like a kid at his first science fair in here!|[[Spider-Man]]|[[Prisoner of War!]]}}

As robotic beings who predate the earliest humans by millions of years, it should come as no surprise that Cybertronian technology far outstrips the sum total of humanity's scientific development. Exotic technologies that defy our conventional understanding of physics are treated as commonplace; Cybertronian starships, and even those Transformers who ''become'' starships, for instance, are capable of {{w|faster-than-light}} travel and able to traverse vast distances in a short period of time. [[Space bridge]] technology goes even further than that, allowing travelers to instantaneously warp billions of lightyears, completely bypassing the need for an interstellar voyage. Artificial intelligences of varying levels of sophistication coexist alongside their sentient creators, and exotic chemical compounds are commonplace in both military and civilian uses.

When it is portrayed at all, academia on Cybertron is very much akin to its Earthen counterparts; Transformers may choose to specialize in one or more scientific disciplines—physics, engineering, and biology being the most common. Scientific progress, however, occurs far more slowly for Cybertronians than it does for humanity; outside of minor innovations and development of weapons, Cybertron has been known to have technology largely stagnate for millions of years, whether within or outside of wartime. Indeed, [[Vector Prime]] has [[Ask Vector Prime/Facebook src#CybertronianTech|noted]] that in [[The Transformers (cartoon)|certain universes]], technology developed more in the few decades following the Transformers' first contact with Earth than it did for millions of years beforehand, implying that humanity's [[Human Confederacy|own rapid development]] could act as a "catalyst" for the Transformers' advancements.

===Art===
[[File:Caged bulkhead.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Some Cybertronians have been known to study the artistic legacies of other species... though the results can be questionable.]]
{{quote|Destruction is the highest form of art.|[[Slog (G1)|Slog]]'s motto|[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' profile}}
: ''See also: [[Transformer music]], [[:Category:Artists|Artists]]''
The Transformers have been shown to have a very active [[Transformer music|musical tradition]]. The [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] itself has an archive of 11 million traditional Cybertronian songs. Many Transformers such as [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] have shown great interest in music, and [[Squawkbox]] is one prominent example of a Cybertronian musician.

Furthermore, sculpture seems to be one of the primary art forms of Cybertron, with many Transformers dedicated to it. One notable (and gruesome) school of sculpture, practiced by a startling number of Transformers involves making art out of the bodies of other Transformers. The [[Slogism]] movement is a part of this school.

Filmmaking is also practiced on Cybertron, though most examples seen are either [[Proteus's Promise|documentaries]] or [[The Birth of Cybertron|straight-up propaganda]]. Attempts by Cybertronians have also been made to produce films more inspired by the human art of cinema, but the results [[Dark Invasion|tend to]] [[Starscream: The Movie (film)|be lacking]].

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===Linguistics===
[[File:ToWalkAmongTheChosen-Spanish.jpg|thumb|right|200px|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] displays the ability to fluently speak Spanish while deployed in [[Mexico City]].]]

{{quote|You must realize that our actual "names" are communicated in an alien language wholly orthogonal to the human experience, and we often translate not just words but concepts. Since these are sometimes culturally dependent, our algorithms use sophisticated "best-fit" methodologies to ensure that even if a translation is not literal, it is resonant.|[[Vector Prime]]|[[Ask Vector Prime]]}}
: ''See also: [[Cybertronian language]], [[Cybertronix]], [[Cybertronian Standard]], [[Cyberglyphics]], [[Ancient Cybertronian]]''

Nothing if not adaptable, Cybertronians can quickly adapt to life on a new planet by instantaneously learning the local languages, allowing them to fluently and easily communicate with native lifeforms. The process by which this is done so is not always so clear-cut; the [[Transformers (film)|2007 film]] credited this skill to the Autobots' ability to access the [[Internet]], while [[Recipe for Disaster!|an issue]] of the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comic]] suggested that it was a natural ability, albeit one that that required time to unscramble and synthesize the language for Cybertronians. Various Transformers have referred to their names as "code-names," suggesting that their names as humans understand them are not their ''real'' names, but merely translated to get a similar ''idea'' of their true name across.

[[File:Other voices text.jpg|thumb|left|200px|''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' introduced separate languages for both Maximals and Predacons.]]

It can be safely assumed that stories set exclusively on Cybertron or setting otherwise devoid of humans have "translated" dialogue for the benefits of us, the viewer, though the ''implication'' is certainly that these Cybertronians are "really" speaking in their native tongue. What, exactly, spoken Cybertronian language sound like is something of a mystery; the live-action film series, at least, have established that the native tongue of those Transformers is a collection of garbled electronic noises, its pitch and speed depending on the size of the 'bot in question. Transformers who are unable, or unwilling, to speak may use nonverbal languages, such as [[chirolinguistics]] or [[Cybertronian Sign Language]].

Our knowledge of written languages is more concrete; over the years, a variety of Cybertronian calligraphies have surfaced, depending on era and faction—[[Maximal]]s use a different language than [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s, and both differ from the languages of [[Autobot]]s from [[Decepticon]]. Out of universe, these "written languages" tend to be rather simple 1-1 cyphers of the English alphabet, and as a result of this, many stories have taken the opportunity to sneak in various [[Easter egg]]s in the form of hidden messages, for the benefit of those ultra-geeky fans.

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===Medicine===
[[File:TheBecoming-MegatronAndRatchet.jpg|thumb|right|275px|While Cybertronian medical procedures superficially resemble human ones, the techniques involved are more similar to vehicle maintenance.]]
{{quote|Miko, a T-Cog is a ''biomechanism'', not a scrapyard find. If it were that easy, don't you think I would have replaced Bumblebee's voice box by now?|[[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]]|[[Operation Bumblebee, Part 1]]}}

:''See also: [[:Category:Medics|Medics]]

Cybertronians are an adaptable and robust race, able to survive even grevious injuries, but seriously injured or ailing Transformers may turn to members of Cybertron's medical community for assistance. The robotic nature of their bodies means that a Cybertronian "doctor" is a combination mechanic, roboticist, and physician, who must be able to accurately assess and repair damage to their patient's mechanical form. Individual specializations exist, such as "[[blacksmith]]s"—essentially, a Cybertronian obstetrician—but most in-fiction Transformer medicine comes in the form of on-the-ground battlefield repairs, designed to get wounded soldiers back on their feet and into the fight as quickly as possible.

Different educational institutions on Cybertron have been known to offer courses in medicine, and the realities of war mean that their services are in generally high demand. Some particularly deranged medics may fall in with the [[Decepticon]]s or other unsavory sorts, developing [[Ratchet (SG)|exotic and oftentimes gruesome "treatments"]] to perform on both both friends and foes, or concocting exotic new [[Cosmic Rust (disease)|disease-based bioweapons]] designed to wreak havoc on their enemies.

Generally, Cybertronian physicians choose to transform into ambulances and other "first responder" vehicles, and even those who don't often sport red-and-white color schemes.

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===Romance===
[[File:TheGloaming-iloveyou.jpg|thumb|right|200px|[[Chromedome (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Chromedome]] and [[Rewind (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rewind]] would popularize the term "[[Conjunx Endura]]" as the official term for a romantic union between Transformers.]]

{{quote|Nudge nudge, wink, wink - know what I mean?|[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]]|'[[Fire on High!]]"}}
: ''See also: [[Transformer romance]], [[Conjunx Endura]], [[Kiss]]

Although their means of propagation tend towards the asexual, the Transformer psyche is not dissimilar enough to a human's that they do not crave the same kinds of long-term social bonds that we do, and though the story of ''Transformers'' is primarily one of war, various continuities have established that Cybertronians are also capable of the same kind of romantic affection that humans regularly engage in. This behavior dates back to the earliest days of the franchise; though it was never ''explicitly'' spelled out, dialogue in [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the 1984 cartoon]] made it abundantly clear that [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] held one another in high regard, with similar implications continuing through the [[The Transformers: The Movie|1986 animated film]] and its treatment of both the "swashbuckling hero" [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] and the distinctly feminine [[Arcee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Arcee]]. Some instances of romance are depicted as serious, while others are distinctly played for laughs, such as the Predacon [[Scylla]]'s emphatically one-sided crush on the Maximal [[Ikard]].

[[File:Pgalove.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Cybertronians may fall in love with [[human]]s or other organic lifeforms.]]

In rarer cases, Cybertronians may fall in love with [[human]]s or [[alien]]s (though their feelings may not always be reciprocated), while particularly clueless Cybertronians may develop an attraction to inanimate objects—see [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] and his inexplicable romantic attraction to red sports cars. Other Transformers may consider this behavior ''strange'', but there do not seem to be any explicit taboos against it either.

Though one would assume that—as basically sexless lifeforms—the average Transformer would not display any real kind of preference when it comes to the already vague concept of Transformer gender, most ''Transformers'' fiction has largely displayed Transformers in "straight" relationships, with "male" Cybertronians falling in love with "female" Cybertronians and vice versa. Only comparatively recently as this situation begun to change; in [[2012]], ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' made history by introducing [[Chromedome (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Chromedome]] and [[Rewind (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rewind]] as the first definitively identified same-sex couple, with many more following in their footsteps. ''More than Meets the Eye'' would dub individuals in this kind of relationship as "[[Conjunx Endura]]e," the first official name for the concept and the term that would become the standard terminology to describe romantically intertwined Transformers of either sex.

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==Related species==
:''See also: [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]], [[Lithone (species)|Lithone]], [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]], [[Gorlamite]], [[Stentarian]]
[[File:TFTM-WreckGarsits.jpg|thumb|right|300px|The Junkions had the ability to transform into motorcycle forms, which others of their species could ride. In some continuities, they are alien creatures, while in others they are the descendents of stranded Cybertronian colonists.]]
What is a Transformer? Going over the criteria that we have laid out here, the question seems a simple one at first blush: an alien robot who can transform from one form to another. The truth behind the answer isn't quite as easy to define, however; the ''Transformers'' franchise has populated its fictional universe with a variety of other [[alien]] species who superficially resemble Transformers, most notably the eccentric [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]] and the ravenous [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]]s. In some instances, one could assume that these creatures are the process of a sort of {{w|convergent evolution}}, sharing a similar bodyplan despite originating on planets far from Cybertron.

Some more recent continuities, such as the [[Aligned continuity family]], have established—apparently to preserve the "uniqueness" of the Cybertronian race—that these groups are actually the ''descendants'' of ancestral Cybertronians, who adapted both physically and culturally to survive on different worlds. This is not a hard-and-fast rule, however, and many modern continuities have continued to treat these groups as entirely unrelated alien species.

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== IDW first appearances on character pages ==

Why are these being added? Are similar additions going to be made for other continuities? They seem pretty useless and silly to me.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:06, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
:[[#"First appearances" on IDW pages|Well this is awkward.]] -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:09, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
::That proposal was for making notes about first appearances on the pages of the fiction, not the characters. I have no opinion on that. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:29, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

Anyhow, M Sipher stated in the Allspark discussion thread that given the tendency of IDW continuity to show characters out of chronological sequence, it would be useful to list first real world appearances. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 14:37, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

:It's been brought up on Twitter as a problem with "nerd wikis" in general to value in-universe event order over real-world reading/experience order to the Nth degree, often to the detriment of not-already-hugely-invested readers. While we do compare favorably to most (take note that Wookiepeedia wedges licensed video game events directly into a character's main timeline, like, ''right in the middle of the movie story''), something as simple as finding a character's first appearance in real-world reading order shouldn't be a chore requiring digging and multi-link jumping. ''Generally'' any given chunk of Transformers media's diagetic and real-world chronologies have lined up pretty well and it hasn't been much of an issue, as most of the prequel/backfills are spinoff media and we split those into their own subsections. But IDW, particularly after "phase two" started, '''''really''''' bounces around its own timeline; the example given was that Grimlock's IDW writeup starts with a material published four years after his first appearance.
:This seems like a thing the larger IDW character sections need, a simple "start here". Honestly we should probably take a look at the IDW-as-a-publisher/continuity pages and see about making the real-world publishing list a bit more easily-found/readable (it's kind of a morass of text). It's unlikely we'll need this for most of the fiction sections of character pages, since most fictions are relatively straightforward. But IDW is an exception. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:39, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
:Seems like that would be better served with an Appearances section with all entries in chronological release order. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 05:29, 19 June 2018 (EDT)
::That could get excessive for some of the more popular characters. The simple "First Appearance" entry at the top of their IDW fiction section seems just fine to me. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:24, 4 July 2018 (EDT)
:::To me, just saying "their IDW first appearance was here" seems pretty pointless and useless if we're not going to tell the reader what comes after. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:54, 4 July 2018 (EDT)
::::I concur with MSipher etc. that this is useful and valid, given the achronal order of IDW's reading (I was rather startled while looking at the timeline last night to be reminded that events in ''Lost Light'' are only up to ~TAAO #9!) - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 22:06, 4 July 2018 (EDT)
:::::Still not sure what good telling me "His first issue was X" is if you don't then tell me "His second issue is Y" and so on. Also, why would it get excessive? Just a summary list, not necessarily linked out. Like this:
:::::Appearances
::::::First Title #7, 10
::::::Second Title #1-3
::::::First Title #13-25 --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:28, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
I see Wookieepedia was brought up as an example of a bad nerd wiki, but do you know what they do? [https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luke_Skywalker#Appearances Sensible appearance lists.] Make it a subsection (for IDW or whatever) and list in publishing order and you basically get what everybody wants. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:57, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
:Except "everybody" doesn't want comprehensive appearance lists. Some people do, but others ''don't'', and for some characters (like Optimus frex.) this would result in some ''serious'' bloat. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:11, 24 August 2018 (EDT)
::It gives you the "first appearance", which is what some people want. And how is "bloat" relevant here with a scrollbox like Wookieepedia? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 03:30, 24 August 2018 (EDT)

== YouTube template ==

I've noticed we've got a few hundred pages with different links to YouTube videos, and with more and more fiction being released via Hasbro's or other parties' YouTube channels, it might not hurt to have a template we can use to make the process easier and cleaner. I've got a [[User:Cyberlink420/sandbox|draft]] going on my sandbox; as it stands now, it'll be a basic "'Name of video' on YouTube", link, with options to add the channel name at the end or add your own text in place of the generated linktext, but I figured I'd get opinions first. Is this something people would use, and if so, should the format be changed at all? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:51, 10 July 2018 (EDT)

==Uglydolls page question==
Hey, I'm still a bit shaky on this wiki, but I found that Uglydolls did an official collab with Transformers for the 2018 SDCC this year, with uploaded pictures for proof (in my contributions). I was wondering how a page should be handled for these. Thanks in advance! --[[User:ZootyCutie|ZootyCutie]] ([[User talk:ZootyCutie|talk]]) 16:25, 19 July 2018 (EDT)
: I would suggest making entries for each of the dolls on the Merchandise pages for [[Optimus Prime (G1)/merchandise|Optimus]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)/merchandise|Bumblebee]]. If you think it's warranted, perhaps make a company page for Uglydolls as well that links to those two entries. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:46, 19 July 2018 (EDT)
:: All right, thanks for the help! --[[User:ZootyCutie|ZootyCutie]] ([[User talk:ZootyCutie|talk]]) 19:05, 19 July 2018 (EDT)

== Transformers Armada [PS2] - Demo / Alpha / Unreleased Material ==

I've recently gone on a deep dive into the 2004 Armada PS2 game, primarily to get a copy of the complete soundtrack but also to see whether any unreleased material existed for the project. In my travels, I've come across several demo versions and an Alpha Version of the game that contains stuff like:

A bunch of unreleased music, An official instrumental of the Transformers Armada TV Theme, Voice Clips not used in the final game, The in-house audio-cues done before recording dialogue with the voice actors, Material from Star Wars Episode II and The Transformers: The Movie (1986), Early video material and artwork, as well as string files giving an earlier glimpse of what could have been.

And this is what I've found and been able to access, record and convert so far! I'm slowly dumping everything onto Youtube [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCO5pmQ0j-aD0Yctrjk_KFhw], but I'd have no idea how to add this info to the Wiki, as it's all pretty disparate, and the game page as it stands now is pretty simple in it's construction.

I'd love to hear your thoughts as to how and structure this information, as well as your thoughts on the actual material.

Cheers! {{unsigned|Infernox}}

== Listing product names with Japanese words ==

Currently, both [[Unicron of Light]] toys are listed on that page with a direct transliteration of the Japanese words in the item name, but [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#MP29Plus|MP-29+ Defense Officer Shockwave]] is listed on his page by a translation of the Japanese words. Er, we should have some kind of consistency in this, no? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:54, 16 August 2018 (EDT)
:Don't the Masterpiece toys always have Latin text on them? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:48, 17 August 2018 (EDT)

== Underlining continuity headers ==

Of late, Sipher has tested underlining major continuity headers in fiction sections, as can be seen on "[[Toaster]]" and "[[Cybertronian colonies]]". How does everyone feel about utilizing this feature on pages? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 21:41, 18 August 2018 (EDT)
:Oppose.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 22:03, 18 August 2018 (EDT)
:I like it. It makes it way easier to sort through the information being presented; the various headers can get pretty overwhelming, and this helps a lot. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 00:52, 19 August 2018 (EDT)
:Anything with multiple <nowiki>===</nowiki> and <nowiki>====</nowiki> level sub-headers becomes a bog-down where the text size and bolding between the two is so minimally different that telling where one <nowiki>===</nowiki> level header ends and the next one begins becomes difficult. Underlining at the <nowiki>===</nowiki> level is a clear delineation; most anything at that header is going to be a "start-over" point, and the underline indication that the above continuity string (or jumble) is done and what follows, well, doesn't follow, but being ONLY under the text shows "we ain't done with the major <nowiki>==</nowiki> level section yet". Honestly, I'm mulling giving any text under a <nowiki>====</nowiki> or higher (we do get up to five sometimes) header an indent like we do with the toy entries for further visual shorthand of what is a sub-header of what. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:18, 19 August 2018 (EDT)
:Seriously opposed to this, at least the underlining. Frankly it makes the page look amateurish and my initial reaction was that something had ''broken''. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 05:52, 19 August 2018 (EDT)
::I oppose. [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 09:08, 19 August 2018 (EDT)
:I, for one, like the look of this. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 18:39, 19 August 2018 (EDT)
I have to say, when the two sides to this are "it makes the information on pages clearer and easier to read" and "it is a slight bother to me and I find it vaguely aesthetically displeasing", I find the former to be a lot more compelling than the latter. Like... Cybertronian colonies reads SO much better with those underlines in place, that's infinitely more important than whatever sense of aesthetics they may offend. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 12:07, 19 August 2018 (EDT)
:Yeah, well that isn't just it, it's also takes much work to fix it on most of the pages on the wiki. While that wouldn't stop us normally, I see it as a "if it ain't broke, dont fix it." However, I can see Sipher's point, I personally don't feel its necessary, but that's just me. [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 14:12, 19 August 2018 (EDT)
::1. I’m pretty sure if we choose to go through with this, the underlines will be added to the site’s style sheet, thus changing all the h3 headers on every page all at once. (admins correct me if I’m wrong here). 2. I’m not really sure how to tackle the idea of improved readability being “not necessary”. Like, wearing shoes while you walk across a gravel road isn’t strictly “necessary”, but it’s a massive improvement. Just because it’s not of any noticable benefit to you in particular doesn’t mean it’s of use to anyone. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 15:55, 19 August 2018 (EDT)
:::Yes, this would be done via style sheet, not manually. Well, indenting (if used) would be manual but that's also far more case-by-case and less common anyway. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:43, 19 August 2018 (EDT)

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/User:M_Sipher/Sandbox:Subheaders Experimenting with every section having SOME text.

::::The indents are something I think is good. The underlines are not. Regarding a few lines up...please don't put words in my virtual mouth. It is not "a slight bother and vaguely aesthetically displeasing". It's "horrible looking and makes TFWiki look 1. broken or 2. like a Wikia". - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 05:55, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
:::::Would it help if the underline looked more like the horizontal bar under the level 2 headers? <span style="border-bottom: 1px solid #888888; font-size: 132%; font-weight: bold">Like this for instance</span>. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:10, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
::::::That ''is'' a bit better, but still seems "off" in general to me - part of the problem I think is that underlined stuff looks like a hyperlink. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 06:24, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
:::::::I could support such a horizontal bar. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:15, 20 August 2018 (EDT)

== "Preferred" Airdate ==

Just to establish a consensus/precedent for cases like the recent Cyberverse opener: If an episode is ''officially'' released via a streaming service or storefront like iTunes or the CN app ahead of its TV premiere, which of the two dates should take preference for the "airdate" field? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:43, 27 August 2018 (EDT)
:Just put both in. For RID, we put both the earlier Candian release and American release. [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 19:50, 27 August 2018 (EDT)

== Toyline sub-headers for ease of use ==

[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive65#Multiple co-brandings in headings|I have brought this up before]], and I will again: scores of people think of ''Generations''-branded toys by their subline name first instead of "Generations". Ergo, is it not the point of a wiki to have a navigation style that directs people in such a utilitarian fashion? Consider [[Blackout (Movie)#Generations|''Studio Series'' Blackout]] or [[Crowbar#Generations|''Studio Series'' Crowbar]]. I can't think of any casual fan who would look at the page and expect the table of contents header "Generations" to be the one that leads them to the ''Studio Series'' figure. Should we not do something about this? Just today a non-frequent user pointed out this problem and cited the hypothetical parallel of Wikipedia eliminating "bird" and "mammal" in favor of the supercategory "amniote". [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 11:30, 31 August 2018 (EDT)
:Bump. Anyone want to comment on this? Again, I point to ease of casual reader use. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:40, 2 October 2018 (EDT)

== Prime 1 Studio Statues ==

I thought the large official statues that are being created by studios like Prime 1 and Imaginarium Art should be added to the wiki so I created an account and am trying to do so but all this wiki code is confusing me. Anyone know enough about the coding to add the statues? I already added a placeholder for Optimus Primal's Prime 1 statue. https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Beast_Wars_(merchandise)#Statues -- [[User:Radi0activsquid|Radi0activsquid]] ([[User talk:Radi0activsquid|talk]]) 22:25, 02 September 2018 (CST)

== Transformers The Movie final character model artist ==

Who was responsible for creating the final character models for Transformers The Movie? It wasn't Floro Dery, the final style of the characters is too "anime-esque" for him I feel. But I can't seem to find anything on who made the finished models. Walruslaw's site has lots of the finished character model sheets, all of them are signed by "Kou" and written in Japanese. Whoever this could be I'm not sure, perhaps someone on Toei's end of the production? Here's a link to the final models http://tfraw.blogspot.com/p/g1-movie-model-sheets.html?m=1 {{unsigned|Valkyriesdf1}}

== Writing up new comics from henceforth ==

As previously announced on [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/page-558#entry3785935 The Allspark Forums] and [https://twitter.com/chrismcfeely/status/1039850484838932480 Twitter], Chris is stepping down from doing release day writeups for new IDW comic issues as the Hasbro Universe ends. Do we want to continue our current system of one editor(s) debuting an entire article for new issues each North American morning of release? I believe Grum has mentioned wanting to step up to the plate. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:26, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

== Page Renaming ("Elite Guard" and "Jetfire (Movie)") ==
I would like to apologize for making the move from "Cybertron Elite Guard" to "Elite Guard" unannounced (by that I mean swapping the code from one page to the other). I felt like whatever conversation I make was being neglected. On another note, the page currently titled "Jetfire (Movie)" is ready for deletion. All the necessary information from that page has been moved to the one titled "Jetfire (ROTF)". I am asking for help with deleting "Jetfire (Movie)" so "Jetfire (ROTF)" can be renamed as such. Whatever you can do would be a real help, because sometimes I feel like renaming links can be extremely tiresome. --[[User:NexusShard17|NexusShard17]] ([[User talk:NexusShard17|talk]]) 14:26, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
:Please do not move pages by copying and pasting the text, as it does not preserve the history and the people who did all of the work building the page are no longer credited. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:33, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
:Yeah, if you want to get super-stickly-picayune about it, cut-and-paste moves make the cut-and-pasted page a ''massive copyright violation'' under the license the wiki uses. So...to quote Grover's Mommy: Don't Do It! - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 19:19, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
::I appreciate the wisdom you are all giving me, and shall put that knowledge to good use. Also, I would like to inform Administration that the pages with the Elite Guard logo still have the redirection to when the page was called "Cybertron Elite Guard". Can anyone fix these loose ends please?--[[User:NexusShard17|NexusShard17]] ([[User talk:NexusShard17|talk]]) 12:57, 30 September 2018 (EDT)

== Page Merging ("Punch of Kill Everything" and "Gravity Generator") ==
Does anyone else think that the pages titled "Punch of Kill Everything" and "Gravity Generator" mean the same thing? I believe that the Gravity Generator is merely the name of the button switch which activates this power.--[[User:NexusShard17|NexusShard17]] ([[User talk:NexusShard17|talk]]) 11:40, 02 October 2018 (EDT)

== Live-action film series categories vs specific movie categories ==

Before I go on a mass reversion spree I just wanted to check that it was warranted. [[User:Slyhype]] has just changed a lot of TF2010 characters to specific movie characters. Oddly, [[User:NexusShard17]] had previously changed them from "Live-action film" categories to "Movie" categories back in July. Since the TF2010 toyline was not called out as being specific to one particular movie, these should all go back to "live-action film" categories, right?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 18:09, 5 October 2018 (EDT)
:I would think yes. "Movie" should be specifically 2007-themed characters. AVP didn't go terribly in depth with these characters. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:17, 5 October 2018 (EDT)
::Done. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 18:35, 5 October 2018 (EDT)

== IDW G1 conclusion and presumed deaths ==
We haven't gotten ironclad closure on every single IDW character and we almost surely won't. But we've always taken reasonable inferences here before ("white Prime is Ultra Magnus"), so if Unicron eats a planet can we safely presume anyone not shown to escape is dead? And if so, what's the best way to finish out those character articles? Of course we should wait for the last month, but we should also have a plan.

:"Blackarachnia was killed when Unicron consumed Eukaris"

:"After Unicron consumed Eukaris, Blackarachnia was never seen again and is presumed dead."

I think it would be anticlimactic - an underweighting of the stakes of the story - to just leave those articles with their final undisputed appearances, as though nothing significant had happened. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:20, 26 October 2018 (EDT)
:No, because that is speculative. If they didn't appear, then they didn't appear. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:45, 26 October 2018 (EDT)
::I'd say we generally don't do that. I'm thinking of the Marvel Comics and the Autobot deaths from the Underbase Saga; we don't have notes on pages like Hoist, Perceptor, or Omega Supreme saying "They presumably were revived behind the scenes by Grimlock's Nucleon infusions." --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:25, 26 October 2018 (EDT)
:I agree with Saix. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:42, 26 October 2018 (EDT)
::What if instead of "presumed dead" it simply said "After Unicron ate *planet*, *character* was never seen again."? That's less speculative, it's still accurate, and it updates that chsracter in light of significant story events. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:08, 26 October 2018 (EDT)
:::I'd still argue against it. If they weren't specifically mentioned as being on the planet at the time it was eaten how do you know that they hadn't left? If the source doesn't tell us about them, we can't say anything about them.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:15, 26 October 2018 (EDT)
::::It's not our job to give implications either. Lots of characters across continuities never appear again, and this isn't really any different. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:28, 26 October 2018 (EDT)
I agree with Thy on this one, actually. Maybe something like "It is unclear whether Blackarachnia was still on Eukaris when it was consumed by Unicron"? I'm sure we've had notes like that before. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:38, 26 October 2018 (EDT)

:Christ no. It's making things up by implication based on supposition, and not even solid supposition at that. Countless characters just drop out of fiction at some point with no "closure", and often at cataclysmic events (TFTM, anyone?). This really is no different. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 03:35, 27 October 2018 (EDT)

== What constitutes "G1 cartoon continuity"? ==

This was a question posed on the [[Prime's Directive, Part One]] [[Talk:Prime's Directive, Part One|talk page]], but I wanted to open it up to wider discussion since it affects a lot of pages. My question is, with multiple G1 characters having pages dedicated to their cartoon-specific incarnations, what constitutes a piece of fiction also occupying space on that page? Obviously, both the American and Japanese cartoons themselves go there, but what about cases like the [[Wings Universe]] and [[Mars Attacks: The Transformers]], where the world is established as only a broad parody or loose interpretation of the cartoon? Or in cases like [[Star Trek vs. Transformers]] and [[Transformers: Bumblebee - Win If You Dare]], where everything meshes aesthetically but it features a later character like [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] that wasn't in the cartoon? Or should we keep it to JUST what was in the American cartoon itself and Japanese tie-in media, and move everything else back to their main pages? I'd appreciate some input to prevent edit warring due to future fringe cases like STvTF. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]])
:"Generation 1 cartoon continuity" has always been interpreted loosely. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] should really be titled "Generation 1 cartoon continuities" since it covers the US G1 cartoon continuity, Japanese G1 cartoon continuity, Wings, etc. The solicit and fact that they're deliberately copying the animation style from the cartoon day to me that this is intended as a G1 cartoon continuity. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:02, 28 October 2018 (EDT)

== "Appearances" proposal ==

[[User:Saix/test|I've set up an example]] of my suggestion to replace the "first appearance" asides with a full, comprehensive list of appearances by order of publishing. Thoughts? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:50, 4 November 2018 (EST)
:(1) "First appearance" doesn't need replacing. (2) The format is ugly; Scroll boxes are ugly on Wookiepedia, and they're ugly here. (3) I know you intend this to be a chronological-by-release date list of appearances. The average visitor would not understand what this is. (4) Repeating the issue titles from the Bio section like this is pointless -- one reason we added "First Appearance" in the first place was to service casual fans and visitors who don't know issues by title, but would more easily recognize "MTMTE Issue 1", etc. This is just a relisting of those same titles they wouldn't recognize, stripped of any useful explanatory test. (5) Seriously, what's your problem with "First Appearances" as a concept? You're trying to replace something that works with something that attempts to do something entirely different and fails. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 20:19, 4 November 2018 (EST)
::I would have to agree with Xaaron. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:23, 4 November 2018 (EST)
:::So your issues are with minor superficial aspects? Use issue numbers and expand the section title to "Appearances by publishing order", whatever. First appearance doesn't work because it's a meaningless data point in an ugly aside doesn't tell the reader its relation with anything else. This format actually does that and puts all stories in context at a quick glance. Articles have already gone off the deep end with ugly templates if you're gonna complain about that. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:45, 4 November 2018 (EST)
::::Everything you just said is so fundamentally wrong or missing the point of what I wrote, I don't even know how to respond to you. Suffice it to say, I don't like your proposal as it currently appears, and even if I did, I still don't believe it would replace the existing "First Appearance" box. A Publication List and a First Appearance box serve two completely different purposes. One does not supercede the other. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:15, 4 November 2018 (EST)
:::::I addressed your points. Whether you want to engage isn't really my problem. An appearance list would convey the same information as a first appearance aside (because, well, it's the first item listed), and you're really failing to argue just what makes the latter better than the former or even how it's an useful data point for your hypothetical "average reader". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:42, 4 November 2018 (EST)
::::"Other stuff exists" is a no-no argument on Wikipedia and it's not really a good one here. I can see the merit of appearance-lists but I can see the downsides too: yes, the thing is ''ugly'', and what do you count as an appearance anyway? Even in the cast-list sections, sometimes "this character appeared in a crowd" gets counted and other times it doesn't... - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 21:16, 4 November 2018 (EST)
:::::If appearances in crowd shots aren't being counted in an article, then that's an error that needs fixing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:42, 4 November 2018 (EST)
::::::I think that's mostly in older things (IIRC I've seen a few ''Animated'' cast lists doing that). - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 22:42, 4 November 2018 (EST)
:::::::Yeah, standards weren't as stringent back then and nobody really went back to redo the lists. Current policy is that all appearances no matter how minor are recorded on the story's page and the character articles. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 23:06, 4 November 2018 (EST)

I dislike this idea. Fiction sections already enumerate the sum total of appearances through storylinks, it's ugly-looking and awful, and it's a terrible replacement for the "first appearance" feature. It solves zero problems. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 00:17, 5 November 2018 (EST)

I see no reason or benefit from this. We only started doing First Appearance like two months ago and it was good enough. I oppose the suggested change. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:39, 5 November 2018 (EST)

I like the idea of appearance lists, but this proposal is not the way to do it. Scroll boxes are horrendous (and probably raise accessibility issues). Using story titles instead of issue numbers won't help anyone who wants this. But, as I said, I support the idea. I just cannot see how saying Character A first appeared in Issue B is useful to a fan looking to read about Character A unless we go on to say that he then appeared in issues C, D, E, etc. Just a first appearance listing doesn't tell you if Character A immediately became a series regular, or disappeared for several issues before returning for sporadic appearances over the next 5 years, or didn't appear again until a decade later with a completely different backstory. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:58, 5 November 2018 (EST)
:You mean like, for example, [[Getaway]], whose "First Appearance" box explains exactly that? But seriously, it's a non-starter of an argument to say FA boxes should be removed because they don't do all those things you listed. Correct, they don't do those things; they weren't intended to. And arguing in favor of appearance lists replacing FA boxes for those reasons doesn't make sense, when the proposed appearance list format ALSO doesn't do the things you're complaining FA boxes don't do. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 09:15, 5 November 2018 (EST)
::Getaway's FA box still doesn't tell me about anything past that first full appearance. The argument that was made when these were added was that it was to help new readers figure out how to follow a character due to the large amount of backfilling involved in the IDW storyline. The FA boxes don't do that. They say "Here, he first appeared here. From this point you are on your own." The things I listed are the things that would be needed to actually do what we were told the FA boxes were for. And, you will notice that I said that this proposal was not good. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:32, 5 November 2018 (EST)
:::Quoting M Sipher's proposal from the top of this page, ''This seems like a thing the larger IDW character sections need, a simple "start here".'' That's what FA boxes provide, a place to start. On Allspark, he confirmed the FA box format was what he was thinking of before I implemented it. The argument for FA boxes was not to help new readers "figure out how to follow a character" throughout the IDW comics. That is not something FA boxes were intended to do, nor did anyone claim they were intended to do that. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:07, 5 November 2018 (EST)
::::Sipher also said: "a problem with "nerd wikis" in general to value in-universe event order over real-world reading/experience order to the Nth degree, often to the detriment of not-already-hugely-invested readers." and "But IDW, particularly after "phase two" started, really bounces around its own timeline; the example given was that Grimlock's IDW writeup starts with a material published four years after his first appearance." and "Honestly we should probably take a look at the IDW-as-a-publisher/continuity pages and see about making the real-world publishing list a bit more easily-found/readable". I guess I synthesized those statements a little more in my understanding of the proposal than you did and possibly more than Siph intended. So, what benefit does telling JUST the first appearance bring? Because, to me, it seems like a pointless trivia question answer. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:37, 5 November 2018 (EST)
:::::I have trouble conceiving a defense for the idea of "First Appearance"s. I've been a comic book fan for 30 years -- First Appearance is just one of the most basic forms of information people want to know about characters.
:::::Which is part of the answer, I suppose. It's a ''starting point''. New people approaching the IDW sections of a Bio will just see a big block of heavily cited text. The first citation for Megatron's history is ''[[Remain in Light 1 of 5: The Fecund Moon|The Fecund Moon]]'', but you would have to read ''[[Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|Predestination: An Expert's Guide]]'' to even know where Megatron was in that first issue. The first citation for Starscream is ''[[Remain in Light 4 of 5: Arm the Lonely|Arm the Lonely]]'', a small cameo that is not his first published or chronological appearance, but the confirmation of his constructed cold status. These are historical, biographical starting points, but they are not starting points for a new reader. The IDW Fiction sections answer the question "What happened to Character X?", but don't answer "How do ''I read'' what happened to Character X?"
:::::"First Appearance" boxes tell new readers, right from the top, ''"You like Starscream? Start here."'' And the fact that the box ''doesn't'' then say, ''"And then read this, and this and this and this..."'' is a feature, not a bug. People don't always want the most complete, informative, technically accurate answer possible. The "nerd-wiki" mentality is to overwhelm people with information, like an entire publication or chronological read order of hundreds of comics published over 13 years. But sometimes people just want to know whether [[http://comiccritics.com/2012/05/05/nerd-fishing Aquaman can talk to fish, Yes or No?]] Sometimes people just want to know where to ''begin'', and then they'll work out from there how they want to approach what's next.
:::::So a Publication List (in ''some'' format) isn't a bad idea, but it doesn't replace the value of the "First Appearance" boxes, which is a '''''simple and easy answer''''' to the question of "Where do I begin?" --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 13:56, 5 November 2018 (EST)
::::::Pretty much what Xaaron said. This is why there's a "first appearance" note, it's related-but-separate-from my "overview of real-world publishing" thought, where I was specifically talking about the "IDW-as-a-publisher/continuity" pages (which I also then took a whack at in an effort to make it more readable), not something to add to every character page. Honestly I'm not sure how useful a total list for each character would even be, given that most characters will fall under three general trends...
:::::::* Minimal appearances that fit in a single screen or so
:::::::* Mainly restricted to a single title readers can follow in simple chronological publishing order without outside help
:::::::* Appears in just about every damn title a LOT so it'd just be another morass of text where "read everything" would achieve the goal just as well
::::::Sooooooooo yeah. Like at ''most'' I think ''maybe'', and I mean '''''maybe as in not a serious proposal''''' something that lays out a character's major, broad-strokes fictional path via "titles" rather than individual appearances, but again, I'm less than sold on the usefulness of this vague idea I just had. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:19, 5 November 2018 (EST)

== Broken links to Wikia ==

Many of the Wikia links on the site are no longer working properly on desktop or mobile browsers. All links that use the wikia:c:whatever format are just resulting in 404 pages. At the same time, all of Wikia's sites are supposed to be [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Brandon_Rhea/How_we%27re_testing_the_fandom.com_domain_migration migrating to the Fandom domain soon]; some like Stargate already have. Given this, we may want to update the interwiki linking to accommodate the changeover and phase out the Wikia link format as the migrations finishes up. Granted, that still leaves a whole lot of busted wikia:c: links, but one step at a time. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:15, 7 November 2018 (EST)
:I've updated the wikia interwiki link to match what they currently have on Wikipedia. It's been broken on mobile for some time, unfortunately, but there's not much we can do about that unless Wikia fixes it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:03, 7 November 2018 (EST)
::Appreciated. Is there a new format that the links should be changed to? I wasn't sure since the GI Joe link on our [[Help:Interwiki linking]] page is still broken. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:14, 7 November 2018 (EST)
:::Feck, sorry, I screwed up the interwiki link format. I've corrected it but it may take some time for the changes to propagate. Either Wikia:c: or plain Wikia: should work. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:20, 7 November 2018 (EST)
::::Uh-oh. All the interwiki links now point to a generic "<nowiki>https://www.wikia.com/wiki/w:</nowiki>" URL. Was this the original mistake and it's still taking some time for the changes to propagate, or is this something new? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:26, 8 November 2018 (EST)
:::::That was the original mistake. Looks like the fixed version propagated through finally though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:14, 8 November 2018 (EST)
::::::Testing again, it looks like wikia:c: style links work on mobile, but plain wikia: links don't. Both formats work on desktop. If we wanted to be futureproof, the best way to do it would be to change all existing wikia:c: style links to plain wikia:, and then I can just update the interwiki link format to insert the c: by default. That way if the preferred link format changes again in future to not include the c:, we can just change it in one place. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:20, 8 November 2018 (EST)
:::::::Got it. I'll spend some time this week work on tracking them all down and removing all the c:'s. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:24, 11 November 2018 (EST)
:::::::'''EDIT:''' Okay, that went a lot faster than expected. I think I got them all, aside from those on the various talk pages, so fire away. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:35, 12 November 2018 (EST)
::::::::Excellent! I've updated the interwiki link, so once that propagates, we should be set. At least until they fully change over to using "fandom" everywhere. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:34, 12 November 2018 (EST)

== name format of the g2 cartoon ==

Question: Is the G2 cartoon called "Transformers: Generation 2" or "'''The''' Transformers: Generation 2"?

[[Transformers: Generation 2 (cartoon)|The page for the cartoon]] has the former, but the [[:File:G2CartoonLogo.jpg|actual title card]] for the cartoon apparently has the latter, and clicking through the G2 navbar reveals that individual episode pages are all over the place, [[The Golden Lagoon (episode)|some having it one way]] and [[Prime Target (episode)|some having it the other]] with no apparent reasoning to it.

I'd like to standardize the format somewhat between pages, but i'd like to know which one i should be changing things to first. Can anyone offer any input? -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 13:30, 26 November 2018 (EST)
:I personally say we go with just "Transformers: Generation 2", as that's the trademark used during the closing credits. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:02, 26 November 2018 (EST)
::I say go with the title card. That's the general trend here. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:26, 26 November 2018 (EST)
:::But the G1 title card is just "Transformers", more often than it is "The Transformers"; it's only the S2 intro's title card that uses "The". We literally show the logo three times on the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|G1 cartoon page]], and none of them have "The". -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:31, 26 November 2018 (EST)
::::S2 has more episodes than S1 and S3 combined and it's the one consistent with the rest of the franchise. The G2 cartoon didn't have any variation, it sounds like. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:41, 26 November 2018 (EST)
:::::Fair. I just feel like when the franchise logo has no "the", the opening narration has no "the", and the ending credits (including trademark) has no "the", it all kind of adds up. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:00, 26 November 2018 (EST)

== The Bumblebee Movie ==

So, it seems like the Bumblebee movie ignores the flashbacks presented in The Last Knight. Does the Bumblebee movie contradict with the IDW timeline? Should it be added to that timeline, and should the Bumblebee movie be connected to the timeline in the first five movies? This then extends to the character pages: some have them all in oen section called "Movies" while some don't. Should these pages with just "Movies" be seperated into Bumblebee film, Transformers film, etc, due to contradictions between the films? Due we treat certain things as part of certain timelines? What do? [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 15:19, 9 December 2018 (EST)
:It's best we wait until word from the filmmakers of the movie. [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 15:31, 9 December 2018 (EST)
::Here's a great fucking idea: how about we fucking wait until the movies been released beyond some select screenings before fucking up the recent changes page with spoilers for everyone and adding info to pages. Cause I'll tell you what, I'm beyond fucking livid. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:39, 9 December 2018 (EST)
:::Why are you so angry over this? I wasn't asking for changes now, I was just presenting something we have to figure out eventually. And I've been trying my best to avoid mentioning anything in summaries for edits based on what some folks told me. Hell, I haven't even seen the movie yet. I'm judging this isn't connected to Last Knight from trailers. And it's not like info has been added to pages yet past voice acting. If you really don't want to get spoiled on anything, just stay off Transformers websites for a bit. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 16:06, 9 December 2018 (EST)
Well, it looks like Walky locked a good amount of related articles. That should be good. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 16:32, 9 December 2018 (EST)
:Oh, the Bumblebee Prequel page says it rolls with the setup in The Last Knight, yet the comics also work around events in the Movieverse IDW Comics... which, from my understanding, conflicts with The Last Knight (it might not, I dunno). [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 14:32, 10 December 2018 (EST)

== IDW 2: Electric Boogaloo ==
So IDW's new Transformers series is called... Transformers. No sublines or branding or anything. To try and get out ahead of things, any ideas yet on what we're going to call this continuity to differentiate it from the previous [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]]? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 16:57, 18 December 2018 (EST)
:(IDW 2019) a la "RID 2015" sounds reasonable. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:15, 18 December 2018 (EST)

== A question ==

So hi, I'm new here, sorry for beign publishing here this but the thing is that I just find discussion portals about things of the wiki.
Where should i go if i just want to ask something about... you know... Transformers?
Does this wiki even has that kind of forum? I ask because others usually does.
Again, sorry for the trouble.
:Our discussion portals and talk pages are more meant for discussing changes and improvements that can be made to the wiki itself. If you want to have general discussions about Transformers, there's plenty of fansites like Seibertron and TFW2005 with their own forums. You might want to look there. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:18, 24 December 2018 (EST)
::The majority of TFWiki users actually use the Allspark forums; there's a thread specifically for wiki discussion there. It isn't an official forum for the wiki, though. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:28, 24 December 2018 (EST)

==The latest vandal / scrubbing slurs==
Is there any way to scrub the changes and that username from the recent changes? Because now we've got a slur on multiple pages, and it'd be nice not to. We should probably also see if there's a way to prevent usernames from having that word too. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:01, 4 January 2019 (EST)
:I believe we're on a late enough version of MediaWiki that somebody with access to our LocalSettings.php (abates?) should be able to switch on the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:RevisionDelete 'revision delete'] function for sysops. That would let us scrub the offending edits from the article histories. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 19:08, 4 January 2019 (EST)
::Well, I found a way to rename the user, at least. Which scrubs SOME stuff but not everything. But yeah, if that works, let's. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:11, 4 January 2019 (EST)
:::He had another account that got banned yesterday; we should scrub all those too. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:10, 4 January 2019 (EST)
::Sounds good, I'll see about enabling revision deletion for admins. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:10, 4 January 2019 (EST)
:::All right, I've redacted a bunch of revisions from both instances. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:33, 4 January 2019 (EST)
::::The one instance that wasn't able to be gotten is McFeely's banning of the original username, since it hadn't been changed yet, but that's only in the "Recent changes" view; it should be fixed everywhere else. Unless you want to undo the edit summaries of all the reversions to strike his name(s) entirely from the record, we're probably all set. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:37, 4 January 2019 (EST)
:::::Thanks, I've changed the usernames in Recent Changes manually. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:01, 4 January 2019 (EST)

== Scheduled downtime ==

Our host has to do some maintenance on our server, so there's going to be some downtime on Jan 8, 8:30am UTC. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 00:25, 6 January 2019 (EST)

== Creating a new page for Dropkick ==
I think that we should separate the 2007 Dropkick with the BB Dropkick just like we did it with Crosshairs and Hound {{unsigned|Crosshairs}}
:I'm rather inclined to agree. ''Bumblebee'' Dropkick has nothing concretely connecting him to ''Transformers'' Dropkick. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:18, 15 January 2019 (EST)
:Why? They're both whiny blue movieverse Decepticon grunts who hate being on Earth. Other than altmode, what makes them more different than ROTF and AOE Lockdown? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:27, 15 January 2019 (EST)
::ROTF and AOE Lockdown are both based on the same character (Animated Lockdown). The Dropkicks aren't. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 19:20, 16 January 2019 (EST)

== Help With Where To Store Images For 'Fritos Poster - The Power Struggle' and 'Hi-C Poster / Calendar Battle In The Desert Valley' ==

I have high quality scans of all the images on the Fritos Poster 'The Power Struggle' and Hi-C 'Battle In the Desert Valley', but don't know where to put them. It does not appear you put all images of something (like a book) onto this site; that's why there are external links. It also doesn't look like you could make a separate subpage with all of the images on it. I do not know if I could upload them on this site, or if you have a recommend place to upload them or send to someone's website (like where the Transformers Manga is stored) and then include appropriate links when the images are up so people could read the whole thing. {{unsigned|TheScarletSpider}}
:We have no problem with hosting full posters, actually. In fact, we already have images for [[:File:BitDesertValley.jpg|Battle in the Desert Valley]] and [[:File:HiCThePowerStruggle.jpg|The Power Struggle]]. If yours are cleaner than ours, though, we'd love for you to upload them! You can use the "Upload a new version of this file" link for each image to replace the existing versions. Please be careful about the filesize, though; we generally prefer JPG files at 150 kb or less for bandwidth reasons, though given all the small text, we can probably make an exception for these as long as they're not too big. (Also, please make sure to sign your talk page posts! Just type four tildes at the end (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) and the wiki will take care of the rest.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:25, 7 February 2019 (EST)

== Wiki page titles with diacritics ==

I recently read about how SEO is somewhat unfriendly towards searches containing diacritics, resulting in diacritic-containing page titles getting found less often by Google. In that case, how should pages such as that of [[David Garcia Cruz|David García Cruz of Spain]] and [[Gabriel Rodriguez|Gabriel Rodríguez Pérez of Chile]] be titled, additionally considering that IDW in the U.S. often doesn't spell their names with the diacritics in business material? Far be it from me to advocate not spelling personal names natively, but comprising on that seems to be most helpful for the wiki's Internet presence. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:42, 10 February 2019 (EST)

=="Core Concepts" and the Main Page==
Okay so here's a thing, kind of a big major cascading-ish thing. Abates brought this up on the Allspark in the discussion of the [[Comics]] page revamp, and let's discuss it here. Namely, the "Categories" box on the Main Page is useless. Categories are a TERRIBLE "first step" to finding information on a wiki. Just a big wad-list of links. That space would be better served with links to actual pages, particularly "core concepts" pages that are good "basics"-level starting points/hubs to find more information, like the new version of the Comics page.<br>
The issue, though, is that many of the big "core concepts" pages... well, range from "are in need of work" to "are dogshit". "Comics" was clearly thrown togther 15 years ago then not touched significantly since then since it was not a glamourous page to work on... but it's an essential concept. SO. I want to gather a list of candidate pages for this "core concepts" section, stuff that's broad but important, and it'd be good to have folks really work at polishing them up and making them approachable, current-standards pages.
:*'''[[Comics]]''' - Well, most of that work's been done recently.
:*'''[[Cartoons]]''' - We don't have this yet, but we prolly should. Same general idea as the Comics, but should be a LOT simpler. I'll probably work on a version of this in a few days.
:*'''[[Toy]]''' - I mean, it IS the reason this whole damn enterprise exists. A brief glance at this page shows it too could really use a revamp. It's not ''awful'', but it's... not up to our current standards.
:*'''[[Video games]]''' - I'm not convinced the current setup of this page is the best way it could be done. At the very least it needs some pictures.
:*'''[[Continuity]]''' - This page is solid but could use a brush-up. But it's at the core of a lot of related concepts... better to ease someone into "continuity family" talk with the broad-strokes of "continuity" first.
:*'''[[Franchise]]''' - Hoooooo boy does this page need work. What an ugly kludge. BUT the page ''idea'' is a perfect hub for people to find out more about that thing they remember from when they were a kid.
:*'''[[Transformer]]''' - Another good hub for the broader concepts of TF biology and whatnot.
:*'''[[Fandom]]''' - Sure.
:*'''[[Factions]]''' - Maybe? Abates mentioned it as a possibility. Wouldn't be a bad lead-in to reworking the individual factions' pages.
Maybe call the box "Getting Started" instead of "Core Concepts". And honestly? It should probably go ABOVE "Continuity Families", which I'm... increasingly unsold on the need for on the Mainpage, but I'm not calling for it to be deleted (yet). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 06:00, 15 February 2019 (EST)
:What about '''[[Character]]'''? As for the general name for these, "the Basics" would be good ... except McFeely's already taken it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 06:59, 15 February 2019 (EST)
::Christ on a tilt-a-whirl, that page needs SERIOUS culling. It should be MAYBE a third of its current size. There's no way in hell I'd recommend that as a "starter" page. *''looks at edit history to see who did the most work on the page''* of fucking course --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 07:29, 15 February 2019 (EST)
:::Hey, I make no claim as to the quality of the page, I'm just saying that "character" is a core concept that should be in this group (whether the current version of that page or some totally new one or something in between, I have no opinion on).--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:26, 15 February 2019 (EST)
:I'd be willing to take a crack at the Video Games page, but I wonder whether we should continue to split them up by continuity, or do so by console generation instead? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:57, 15 February 2019 (EST)
::It's a good question. I'm not wild about breaking them up by continuity. Breaking them up by pre-Nintendo gaming systems, 8-bit/16-bit era, uh... whatever the PS/Xbox/GC up to now would be considered, mobile apps, and arcades? That what you're thinking? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:47, 15 February 2019 (EST)
:::More or less, yeah. I'm thinking we split it up into 3rd gen (8-bit systems), 5th gen (PS1/N64), 6th gen (GC/PS2), 7th gen (360/PS3/Wii), 8th gen (XB1/PS4/Wii U), mobile, and arcade, with a separate link to the [[Online game]] page because trying to merge all those in might actually bloat it too much. Depending on how the final breakdown looks, I might split off handheld games into their own section as well. Not sure yet whether to list games twice if they appeared across multiple console generations (like how some games were on both PS3 and PS4) or just once. I'll see how each approache looks, then decide where to go from there. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 22:46, 15 February 2019 (EST)
::::I'm'a be honest, I think distinguishing between 7 & 8 is kinda pointless, especially when you consider how many of those games were also on PC/Steam. 5 & 6 too also seem pretty much the same. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]])
:::::Fair enough. I started a [[User:Cyberlink420/vgsandbox|draft]] and sorted all the games accordingly into categories (though I haven't done any curation beyond that like putting them in release order). I'm gonna try and drill down further later, but I don't even know how to approach the mobile games section; whittling that one down into something digestible and/or writing a summary will probably require help from someone who actually plays the mobile games. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 03:13, 16 February 2019 (EST)
::::::You know, this might be a place for us to get a shade fancy. I'm thinking tables. Title, release date, system(s), franchise, with that little arrow in each column header that lets you sort the list by that column. Side benefit: not a bullet list leaving a lot of whitespace. I mean, still broken up by the current categories. Something to consider. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:02, 16 February 2019 (EST)
:::::::I did a quick and dirty mockup for the console games, with the systems themselves being a non-sortable column because it's not gonna make a difference when you've got like five or six of them in a single box. If this looks good, I'll do the same for the other sections. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:10, 16 February 2019 (EST)
::::::::Yeah, I like that. Has all the stuff most anyone might want to find a particular game, in a format much easier to find the variables in than our normal bullet points. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:10, 16 February 2019 (EST)
:::::::::Okay, the page is almost ready. There's still more to do, but I suggest we move further discussion to the [[User talk:Cyberlink420/vgsandbox|sandbox talk page]] so we're not taking up too much space here. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 22:55, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:::::::::The games page has officially been updated. I also have a WIP Toys section for Transformers that turn into gaming devices like consoles and controllers, but I decided to leave it off for fear that it'd bloat the page. If anyone else thinks it's worth including, though, I'm happy to add it as well. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:55, 20 February 2019 (EST)
:Just want to note that I feel like these links should be consistently pluralised? "Franchises", "Continuities"... - [[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 13:25, 15 February 2019 (EST)

Okay, so, re-opening this discussion, since several of the above pages have gotten their overhauls. I'm feeling like both the "Continuity Families" and "Categories" boxes on the main page should go bye-bye in favor of a single "Fundamentals" section, with the pages listed above. Any thoughts to the contrary? (Sandboxing a box now.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:38, 27 February 2019 (EST)
:[[User:M_Sipher/Sandbox:Fundamentals|Started a "Fundamentals" sandbox page]]. And thought of a new addition... a "'''Movies'''" hub page, since there's been stuff in Japan not in the US... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:53, 27 February 2019 (EST)
::That looks like a great improvement over what we've got at the moment. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 00:49, 28 February 2019 (EST)
:::Unless someone's got any kinda objections/additions to discuss, I figure I'll just make the change once I get [[User:M Sipher/Sandbox:MoviesHub|the "Movies" page]] sorted... and also once we slap a warning or something on [[Character]] because jeezus, that page needs worrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:09, 28 February 2019 (EST)

== Generation 1 toyline labeling ==

Of late, I have observed some "Generation 1" toy headers get changed to "The Transformers" (e.g. on the pages "[[Blowpipe (G1)]]", "[[Prowl (G1)/toys]]", "[[Roadhandler (G1)]]"), presumably because "''The Transformers''" was the actual series name on the original packaging. Is this a trend we want to propagate throughout the site? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:52, 19 February 2019 (EST)
:Oof. I'd definitely prefer keeping "Generation 1". "The Transformers" is so unhelpfully generic. Using G1 may not be technically accurate, but it's such a universally known and intuitive retroactive term that it just looks better, especially with toys that have "Generation 2" releases right below it. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 09:34, 20 February 2019 (EST)
::Thing is, "Generation 1" gets used for both the franchise AND the wider grouping that sits above it (whereas Unicron Trilogy → Armada, for instance). That's why other stuff has been changed to ''The Transformers'' in the past (e.g., articles for the cartoon/toyline/etc; as well as Fiction section headers), IIRC - to make it clearer whether (e.g,) G1 cartoons in general (including the JP Headmasters/Masterforce/etc sequels) or the series running from MTMTE pt 1 to The Rebirth pt 3 is the subject at hand. - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] ([[User talk:Mammalian Verisimilitude|talk]]) 21:22, 20 February 2019 (EST)
::I can say that personally, I've been using "The Transformers" only when I'm talking about the media and toyline specifically called that, and almost always something along the lines of "Marvel's ''The Transformers'' comic" or "Sunbow's ''The Transformers'' cartoon." When I'm talking about a character or whatnot, I'll say "Generation 1 Xnamehere." [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:47, 20 February 2019 (EST)
:::Well, that's in line with what Xaaron's objecting to, I think. Making (e.g.) the first subheader (under Toys) on [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] say "The Transformers" (or a variation, like "The Transformers (1984)" - which would have precedent with the likes of Transformers (2007)/(2010), Robots in Disguise (2001)/(2015), Universe (2003)/(2008), etc) - rather than "Generation 1".
:::(And I was saying that I agree with the change, since if they're on the page of a "Generation 1" character, they're ''all'' "G1 toys", even if they weren't in the 1984-1991 toylines. We use "Generation 1" on multiple things whereas in other "continuity families" with multiple franchises, we use a term distinct from any of the constituent franchises, like [[Unicron Trilogy]], [[live-action film series]] or [[Aligned]]) - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] ([[User talk:Mammalian Verisimilitude|talk]]) 00:08, 21 February 2019 (EST)
Kind of related question: Why DO we consider the first franchise to officially be "The Transformers"? I know the "the" is right there in the logo, but it's in the same font as the "More than meets the eye" tagline which we don't consider part of the title. Aside from that, if we REALLY wanted to match the franchise name to the logo, wouldn't it be "The Trans {insert faction symbol here} Formers" or, at least, "The Trans Formers"? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:22, 21 February 2019 (EST)
:[[File:TFUSindiciasamples.jpg|thumb|Knew I'd seen one of these somewhere around here]] Well, the Marvel US series was formally "The Transformers", even after the "The" was dropped from the front cover logo... - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] ([[User talk:Mammalian Verisimilitude|talk]]) 19:40, 22 February 2019 (EST)

== Quotation punctuation on Siege toy entries ==

So, I noticed that pretty much all of the [[War for Cybertron: Siege (toyline)|Siege]] toy entries use the American quotation style (commas and periods outside the quotation marks, like "this,") instead of the British/logical style (commas and periods inside the quotation marks, like "this",). I've never liked the American style, but personal opinions aside, I kinda find this odd, considering [[Help:Style guide#Grammar|this wiki perfers the logical style]]. Granted, our style guide also says "Respect other editors' style choices", but honestly, I think it'd be better to change to the logical style. After all, are those commas and periods really part of the weapons' names? [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 20:25, 19 February 2019 (EST)
:It seems to vary by personal choice of the editor, and in spite of that guideline, most users on this wiki prefer U.S.-style punctuation inside quotation marks (which is unfortunate, but oh well). [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 21:39, 15 March 2019 (EDT)

== Rename IDW Generation 1 continuity to IDW 2005 continuity? ==

Obviously, we have an imminent reboot, which the wiki will almost certainly classify as G1, 'cause that's what it does with comics. But even until now, the "IDW Generation 1 continuity" is not the ''only'' G1 based continuity IDW have published - ''Star Trek/Transformers'' has just finished, and there's been a bunch of other G1 "micro-continuities" they've done. "IDW Generation 1 continuity" only really works as a name if it's the ''only'' IDW G1 continuity. And even if you ignore the small stuff, that's not the case as of later this month. So how about switching to naming it by date? - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] ([[User talk:Mammalian Verisimilitude|talk]]) 10:02, 8 March 2019 (EST)
:Date seems to be the most future-proof naming scheme, in case they reboot again in another 10 years. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:57, 10 March 2019 (EDT)
::Yeah, I'm all for switching to date as well, but I'd like to get a few more folks to weigh in before I start updating things, since this change would effect a LOT of articles. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:04, 14 March 2019 (EDT)
:::Problem is, the longer you wait, the harder it becomes to actually do it, if people start slipping in "IDW Generation 1 (2019)" and similar styles that would get caught by find'n'replace. - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] ([[User talk:Mammalian Verisimilitude|talk]]) 21:21, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::::Perhaps, but again, I think this is a big enough change that there needs to be some level of consensus before it starts getting implemented. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:43, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
:::::Distinguishing by date seems to have a lot of support in the Allspark thread. https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/page-609 Not sure why more haven't weighed in here. "IDW 2005 continuity" and "IDW 2019 continuity" sounds good to me. [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 11:26, 16 March 2019 (EDT)

Mazinger Z versus Transformers

2019-03-09T02:38:33Z

NovaSaber: Mazinger Z started in 1972

[[File:MZvT-poster.jpg|thumb|250px|]]

'''''Mazinger Z versus Transformers''''' (マジンガーZ 対トランスフォーマー ''Majingā Zetto tai Toransufōmā'') is an upcoming crossover comic from [[Village Books]]. Scheduled for release [[March 28]], [[2019]], the [[manga]] will bring together the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1 Transformers]] with fellow {{w|super robot}} franchise ''{{w|Mazinger Z}}''.

==Synopsis==
When a spacetime warp sends the [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s to the [[Japan]] of another dimension, they get involved in [[Mazinger Z]]'s fight against [[Dr. Hell]] and [[Baron Ashura]].

==Creative team==
The series is plotted by [[Yūjin Ishikawa]], written by [[Naoto Tsushima]], and drawn by a team of [[Yū Kinutani]], [[Hayato Sakamoto]], [[Hidetsugu Yoshioka]], [[Kazumi Hoshi]], [[Naoyuki Fujisawa]], and Naoto Tsushima. Cover art is provided by original ''Mazinger Z'' author [[Go Nagai]] and gallery art is provided by [[Shinobu Kaze]], [[Tsuyoshi Nonaka]], [[Yuki Ohshima]], and [[Fumitaka Isao]].

==Covers==
*'''Normal Cover''': Art by [[Go Nagai]].
*'''Shop exclusive cover A''': Art by [[Shinobu Kaze]]. Produced exclusively for the [https://mamegyorai.jp/net/default.aspx Mamegyorai] and [https://www.shosen.co.jp/ Shosen book tower].
*'''Shop exclusive cover B''': Art by [[Yuki Ohshima]]. Produced exclusively for the [http://versecomics.jp/ verse COMICS] and [http://blistercomics.jp/?mode=grp&gid=2006960 BLISTER comics].
*'''Amazon exclusive cover''': Art by [[Tsuyoshi Nonaka]]. Produced exclusively for the [https://www.amazon.co.jp/ Amazon.co.jp].

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==External links==
*[https://villagebooks.net/mztf_news/ Announcement]

[[Category:Comic series]]
[[Category:Crossovers]]
[[Category:Manga]]

My First Transformers

2019-03-04T21:34:16Z

NovaSaber: Some people seem to think this is what they were called

#REDIRECT [[First Transformers]]

Megatron (disambiguation)

2019-02-05T04:48:42Z

NovaSaber: /* TransTech */

Across the [[multiverse]] the name '''Megatron''' invokes fear and terror, exuding raw power with an unslakable thirst for more. A warlord intent on domination, not just of their homeworld but of all worlds... and for some, all of ''existence''.

Some versions of Megatron [[Reformatting|take on]] [[New body|new bodies]] and change their name to '''[[Galvatron (disambiguation)|Galvatron]]''' in the process.

{{bigquote|I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. I am that which is, which was and is yet to come... and you will know my name is Megatron when I lay my vengeance upon you!|The [[Covenant of Primus]]|"[[Nemesis Part 2]]"}}

==Major Megatrons==
<center><gallery widths="150px" heights="200px">
File:Megatronguido.jpg|[[Megatron (G1)|"Generation 1" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel]] • [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cartoon]] • [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW]] • [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Toys]] • [[Megatron (G1)/merchandise|Merchandise]]''
File:MegatronBWsourcebook.jpg|[[Megatron (BW)|"Beast Era" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Cartoon]] • [[Megatron (BW)/toys|Toys]]''
File:RIDMegatronGrippy.jpg|[[Megatron (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' (2001) Megatron]]
File:UnicronTrilogyMegatron cartoon bodies.jpg|[[Megatron (Armada)|"Unicron Trilogy" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Cartoon]] • [[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Toys]]''
File:MovieMegatronStock.jpg|[[Megatron (Movie)|"Movie series" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (Movie)/games|Games]] • [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Toys]]''
File:Megatronanimated.jpg|[[Megatron (Animated)|''Animated'' Megatron]]
File:PrimeMegatron.jpg|[[Megatron (WFC)|"Aligned" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (WFC)/toys|Toys]]''
File:CyberverseMegatron.jpg| [[Megatron (Cyberverse)|''Cyberverse'' Megatron]]
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Megatrons==
{{disamb|y=[[1984]]|[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], leader and sometimes founder of the [[Decepticon]]s from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].}}
**For this character in [[Marvel Comics continuity]], see [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity]].
**For this character in [[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]], see [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity]].
**For this character in [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]], see [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity]].
**For toys of this character see [[Megatron (G1)/toys]].
**For merchandise of this character see [[Megatron (G1)/merchandise]].
{{disamb|y=[[1987]]|The [[Megatron Corps]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s legion of Megatron [[Cloning|clones]] from [[The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers|''The Transformers'' manga]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1996]]|[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], the leader of a group of renegade [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] from ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' and later the [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicons]] from ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Machines]]''. Yeesss.
**For this character in the cartoons, see [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity]].
**For toys of this character, see [[Megatron (BW)/toys]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1999]]|[[Megatron (myth)|Megatron]], a mythological figure in the [[Covenant of Primus]].}}
{{disamb|y=1999|[[Megatron X]], a mysterious silver-colored version of ''Beast Wars'' Megatron from ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2000]]|[[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]], the [[Predacon (RID)|Predacon]] [[Six Changer|six-changing]] galactic conqueror from the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] franchise.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2002]]|[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], yet another Decepticon commander and a pivotal figure in the [[Unicron Trilogy]].
**For his [[Unicron Trilogy cartoon timeline|cartoon incarnation]], see [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity]].
**For toys of this character, see [[Megatron (Armada)/toys]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2007]]|[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], the former [[Lord High Protector]] of Cybertron who gets a jonesing for the [[AllSpark]] and sparks [[Transformers (film)|a motion picture]].
**For this character in video games, see [[Megatron (Movie)/games]].
**For toys and other merchandise of this character, see [[Megatron (Movie)/toys]]}}
{{disamb|y=2007|[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]], the (glorious) Decepticon leader from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2008]]|[[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]], the morally ambiguous leader of the Decepticons in ''[[Transformers: TransTech|TransTech]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|[[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]], the heroic leader of the Decepticon resistance in ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2010]]|[[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]], the leader of the Decepticons from the [[Aligned continuity family]].
**For toys of this character, see [[Megatron (WFC)/toys]]}}
{{disamb|y=2010|[[Master Megatron]], the other Decepticon-allied Megatron from ''Animated''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2011]]|[[Megatron (SG Animated)|Megatron]], the heroic Decepticon from ''Shattered Glass Animated''.}}
{{disamb|y=2011|[[Megatron (Kre-O)|Megatron]], the Decepticon brick-based being and [[Kreon]] from ''[[Kre-O]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2011|[[Darkside Megatron]], the living embodiment of Generation 1 Megatron's insanity.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2012]]|[[Megatron Cannon]], the Decepticon [[Arms Micron]] from ''Prime''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2013]]|[[Megatron (BWSG)|Megatron]], the heroic leader of the Predacons in ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2014]]|[[Megatron (KOU)|Megatron]], the Decepticon guitarist from ''[[Knights of Unicron (band)|Knights of Unicron]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2014|[[Megatron (Battle Masters)|Megatron]], the Decepticon leader from ''[[Battle Masters]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2015]]|[[Megatron (human)|Megatron]], the [[human]] football player who may or may not have Cybertronian origins.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2017]]|[[Megatron (SG TransTech)|Megatron]], the heroic Decepticon from ''Shattered Glass TransTech''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2018]]|[[Megatron (Cyberverse)|Megatron]], the evil Decepticon from ''Cyberverse''.}}

==Fictions with "Megatron" in the title==
{{disamb|y=[[1985]]|"[[Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1|Megatron's Master Plan]]", the 3-part episode of [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'']].}}
{{disamb|y=1985|"[[Megatron's Fight for Power]]", from [[Ladybird Books]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1995]]|''[[Megatron Set Special CD]]'', the soundtrack album available with [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s second {{w|LaserDisc}} set of the cartoon.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2004]]|"[[Megatron's Sword]]", an episode from the ''[[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Energon]]'' series.}}
{{disamb|y=2004|"[[Megatron Resurrected]]", another episode from the ''Energon'' series.}}
{{disamb|y=2004|"[[Megatron Raid]]", a further episode from the ''Energon'' series.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2005]]|"[[Megatron Ondo]]", the song included on [[Geneon Universal Entertainment|DVD volume 7]] of ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars Returns]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2007|''[[The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin]]'', the 4-issue comic series from [[IDW Publishing|IDW]].}}
{{disamb|y=2007|"[[Transformers Comic issue 2#Prelude: Megatron|Prelude: Megatron]]", the story featured in issue #2 of the [[Titan Books|Titan]] [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|comic]].}}
{{disamb|y=2007|"[[Destron Leader Megatron Black Ver.]]", the [[e-HOBBY]] [[pack-in material]].}}
{{disamb|y=2007|"[[Megatron Chapter]]", part of the ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|"[[Megatron Rising - Part 1|Megatron Rising]]", the 2-part episode of ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]'', the 16-issue "soft reboot" of the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]].}}
{{disamb|y=2008|"[[Starscream Heckles Megatron]]", the ''Animated'' short.}}
{{disamb|y=2008?|"[[Meet Megatron]]", another ''Animated'' short.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2009]]|"[[Transformers Comic issue 24#Megatron's Revenge|Megatron's Revenge]]", the story featured in issue #24 of the Titan comic.}}
{{disamb|y=2010|''[[The Transformers: Best of Megatron|Best of Megatron]]'', the trade paperback collection from IDW.}}
{{disamb|y=2011|"[[A Gift For Megatron]]", the Kre-O animated short.}}
{{disamb|y=2012|"[[Megatron's Revenge]]", the Kre-O animated short.}}
{{disamb|y=2012|"[[Megatron Returns]]", the storybook from [[Bantam Children]].}}
{{disamb|y=2013|"[[Spotlight: Megatron]]", the 28th issue of ''[[The Transformers: Spotlight]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2016|"[[Not All Megatrons]]", the ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' prose story.}}

There are also numerous fictions titled something like "[[Optimus Prime vs Megatron (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime vs Megatron]]".

==See also==
{{disamb|y=[[1989]]|[[Megatron's base]] from the [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''Generation 1'' comics]].}}
{{disamb|y=2004|[[Megatron's castle]] from the [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] ''[[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Generation One]]'' comics.}}
{{disamb|y=2012|The Nike Calvin Johnson Megatron collection, a line of sports equipment inspired by Megatron the human.[http://www.nikeblog.com/2012/11/22/nike-calvin-johnson-megatron-collection/]}}

==Not to be confused with...==
*[[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]], a Decepticon commander who temporarily inhabited Megatron's body (or a version of it, it's complicated) from the ''Generation 1'' comics.
*[[Archforce]], the [[Europe]]an ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'' Decepticon whose toy was released in North America as "Hero" Megatron.
*[[Megatronia]], the combined form of [[Megaempress]] and her [[4 Guards]] from [[Japan]]ese Generation 1 continuity.
*The [[Megatron statue]], a massive stone statue of the Unicron Trilogy character.
*[[Megaplex]], a duplicate of Megatron designed to fool his enemies from the ''Generation 1'' continuity.
*[[Mechatron]], a [[Beast Rider]] from ''Beast Machines''.
*[[Gigatron (disambiguation)|Gigatron]], a different name for Megatron most notably in the [[Viron]] [[universal cluster]].
*[[Megabolt]], a Decepticon fashioned from Megatron's corpse from ''Robots in Disguise'' 2001.
*[[Megazarak (disambiguation)|Characters named Megazarak]].
*[[Metatron]], the angel mentioned in both ancient Cybertronian texts and real-life Talmud, even if at least one Megatron has ''claimed'' to be him.
*Megatronus, the original name of [[The Fallen]], one of the [[thirteen]] [[Dynasty of Primes|original Transformers]] who some Megatrons took their name from.

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave ''Armada'' continuity===
As the leader of one of two main factions of Cybertronians, any given reality's Megatron generally posed a problem for the dimension-hopping destroyer [[Unicron]], and therefore Megatron was a priority target for [[Herald of Unicron|Unicron's heralds]]. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 1 of 4}} While grappling with the [[Megatron (Armada)#Dreamwave Armada continuity|Megatron]] of [[Aurex 402.24 Gamma]], lead herald [[Galvatron (G1)#Dreamwave Armada continuity|Galvatron]] noted to his adversary that he had killed "many" Megatrons. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 3 of 4}}

===''TransTech''===
In one of the oldest dimensions in the [[multiverse]], one [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronian city]], [[Axiom Nexus]], is a hub for travelers from other dimensions. The city maintains its relative harmony through a strict principle of "[[Dux non Intruitus]]": all Megatrons, as well as [[Prime (disambiguation)|Primes]], miscellaneous faction leaders, and [[:Category:MacGuffins|MacGuffins]] from other universes, are considered illegal. This hasn't stopped a few [[Megatron (BW)|sneaky]] [[Megatron (Movie)#TransTech|off]][[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|worlders]] from circumventing the ban. {{storylink|Bee in the City}} {{storylink|Cybertron's Most Wanted}}

===e-HOBBY comics===
[[Megalligator]] wanted to kill all Megatrons in the multiverse. {{storylink|Cybertron Convobat}}

{{disambig}}
[[Category:Power Core Combiners Decepticons]]

Non-vehicle non-beast alternate modes

2019-01-09T04:57:43Z

NovaSaber: /* Computer */ Brains

[[File:G1toy ravage.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|I don't transform into a car or a robot.]]
Most often, [[Transformer]]s have [[alternate mode]]s that allow them mobility, either vehicles or beasts. These are the exceptions.

:''See also'': [[Popular beast alternate modes]], [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes]]

{{note|Italics indicates official terms from bio, packaging, or instructions}}

==Astronomical object==
*[[Dead End (Armada)]] / [[Dead End General]] / [[Kranix (G1)]] (Moon)
*[[Primus]] (Planet)
*[[Unicron]] (Planet)
*[[Gaea]] (Planet)
*[[Atlas (G1)]] (Planet)

==Audio device==
[[File:G1Soundwave toy.jpg|130px|thumb|G1 Soundwave]]
*[[Blaster (G1)]] / Twincast (''AM/FM Stereo Cassette Player'')
*[[Feedback]] (Amplifier)
*One of the [[four original AllSpark Mutations]] (Radio)
*[[Freedom Fighter]] (''AM Radio'')
*[[Frenzy (Movie)]] (Boombox)
*[[Mini-Cassette]]s
*[[Night Beat 7]] / [[Booster X10]] (MP3 Player)
*[[Raze]] (Jukebox)
*[[Soundwave (G1)]] / Soundblaster (G1) / [[Soundwave (SG)]] (''Cassette Recorder'', MP3 Player)
*[[Soundwave (WFC)]] (Cybertronian Boombox)
*[[Sonic (G1)]] and [[Boom]] (Cybertronian Audio Device)
*[[Chilla Gorilla]] (Headphones)

==Ball==
*[[Disco ball|Unnamed Mini-Con]] (Disco Ball)
*[[Eggbird]]/[[Dark Eggbird]]/[[Zangetsu]] (Sphere)
*[[Eggbot (BW)|Eggbot]]/[[Dark Eggbot]]/[[Star Dust]] (Sphere)
*[[Eggleo]]/[[Dark Eggleo]]/[[Angela]] (Sphere)
*[[Laceface]] (Football)

==Body part==
*[[Megatron (RID)]] / Galvatron (RID) (Hand)
*[[Megatron (RID)|Megatron Megabolt]] / [[Megabolt]] / [[Megatron (BW)|Megahead Megatron]] (Head)
*[[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] (Heads)
*Most [[combiner]] components (Arms/Legs/Torsos/Heads/etc.)
*[[Under-3]] (Lion's Head)
*[[Ambulon]] (Leg)
*[[Army]] (Prosthetic Arm)
*[[Limbot]] (Prosthetic Leg)
*[[Titan Master]]s (Heads)

==Camera==
[[File:G1 Reflector toy.jpg|100px|thumb|G1 Reflector]]
*[[Laserbeak (Armada)]] (Camcorder)
*[[Non-Biological Extraterrestrial|NBE 115]] (Camera)
*[[Reflector (G1)]] (Camera)
*[[Spy Shot 6]] / [[Photon T-34]] / [[Reflector (SG)|Reflector (Shattered Glass)]] (Digital Camera)
*[[Zoom Out 25X]] (Video Camera)
*[[Spy-Eye]] (Camera)
*[[Fomo]] (Digital Video Camera)
*[[S.A. Cheez]] (Camera)
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==City==
{{main|Cityformer}}

==Clothing==
[[File:NikemusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|''Sports Label'' Convoy]]
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Sports Label|Optimus Prime (G1)]] / [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Sports Label|Megatron (G1)]] (Nike Free 7.0 Sneaker)
*[[Captimus Prime]] / [[Capticon]] (Baseball Cap)
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==Computer==
*[[Raddhaxx]] (Laptop)
*[[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]] (Computer)
*[[Brains]] (Laptop)

==Cooking implements==
[[File:rotf-ejector-toy-scout.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|''Revenge of the Fallen'' Ejector]]
*"[[Dickbot the blender guy]]" (Blender)
*[[Ejector]] (Toaster)
*"[[Hand mixer]]" (Hand Mixer)
*[[King]] ([[Burger King]] Broiler)
*"[[Microwave bot]]" (Microwave Oven)
*"[[Stand mixer]]" (Stand Mixer)
*[[Strain-R]] (Colander)
*[[Toaster]] (Toaster)
*"[[Waffle iron]]" (Waffle Iron)

==Food==
*[[Gari Robo-kun]] (Garigari-kun Ice Pop)
*[[Angry Cheese]] (Grilled Cheese Sandwich)
*[[Duderoni]] (Pizza Slice)
*[[Fottle Barts]] (Ketchup)
*[[Hawt Diggity]] (Corn Dog)
*[[S'up Dawg]] (Hot Dog)
*[[Shredder Jack]] (Nachos)
*[[Spud Muffin]] (French Fries)
*[[Twerple Burple]] (Soda Cup)
*[[Arctic Guzzlerush]] (Sports Bottle)
*[[Burgertron]] (Hamburger)
*[[Frostferatu]] (Cupcake)
*[[Cocoa Crazy]] (Hot Cocoa)
*[[Lolly Licks]] (Lollipop)
*[[Nrjeez]] (Energy Drink)
*[[The Plop Father]] (Cannoli)
*[[Remorsel]] (Chocolate Bar)
*[[Sippy Slurps]] (Frozen Drink)
*[[Sprinkleberry D'uhnut]] (Donut)
*[[Unilla Icequeencone]] (Ice Cream Sundae)
*[[Waddlepop]] (Ice Cream Bar)

==Home appliance==
*"[[CISCO Aironet]]" (CISCO Aironet)
*"[[Dyson vacuum cleaner]]" (Vacuum Cleaner)
*"[[Cappuccino bot]]" (Cappuccino Maker)
*"[[Garbage disposal bot]]" (Garbage Disposal)
*[[Karmen]] (''Heated Rollers'')
*[[Chiller]] (Fridge-Freezer)
*[[John (Decepticon)|John]] (Toilet)
*[[Fireplace]] (Fireplace)

==Musical instrument==
*[[Laserbeak (Animated)]] / [[Buzzsaw (Animated)]] / [[Sunder (Animated)]] / [[Garboil (Animated)]] / [[Laserbeak (KOU)]] (Electric Guitar)
*[[Powerchord]] (Guitar)
*[[Tusks]] (Piano)
*[[Ratbat (Animated)]] / [[Wingthing (Animated)]] / [[Ratbat (KOU)]] (Keytar)

==Optical device==
[[File:RotF Scalpel Scout Toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|''Revenge of the Fallen'' Scalpel]]
*[[Longview (Movie)]] / [[Farsight T-20]] (Binoculars)
*[[Pulse]] (Binoculars)
*[[Perceptor (G1)]] / [[Magnificus (G1)]] (Microscope)
*[[Scalpel (ROTF)|Scalpel]] (Microscope)

==Personal communications==
*"[[Cell phone]]" (Cell Phone)
*[[Frenzy (Movie)]] (Cell Phone)
*"[[Nokia-bot]]" (Cell Phone)
*[[Speed Dial 800]] / [[Wire Tap V20]] / [[Highline 1070]] (Cell Phone)
*[[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat (IDW)]] (Sony Mylo) {{storylink|Devastation issue 1}}
*[[Optimus_Prime_(G1)/toys#au_x_Transformers|Optimus Prime (G1)]] / [[Megatron_(G1)/toys#au_x_Transformers|Megatron (G1)]] / [[Bumblebee_(G1)/toys#au_x_Transformers|Bumblebee (G1)]] (AU INFOBAR Cell Phone)
*[[Screen Fiend]] (Cell Phone)

==Plant==
*[[Botanica (BM)]] (Ambulatory Alien Plant)
*[[Saberback]] (Partially)
*[[Sling (BWN)|Sling]] (Partially)
*[[Flytrap]] (Triffid)
*[[Treant Troop]] (Walking Trees)
*The [[Treecon]]s (Trees)
*[[Bonz-Eye]] (Bonzai Tree)
*[[Fun Gus]] (Fungus)
*[[Rootwing]] (Tree)
*[[Venus Frogtrap]] (Venus Flytrap)
*[[Stinkosaurus Rex]] (Plant)

==Robot==
*[[Punch (G1)]] ([[Punch (G1)|Counterpunch]])
*[[Grizzly-1]] ([[Grizzly-1|Barbearian]])
*[[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]] ([[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]])

==Station==
*[[Cerebros (G1)]] ([[:File:CerebrosCityMode.jpg|Miniature City, Cartoon only]])
*[[Hot Spot (G1)]] (''Repair Bay'')
*[[Motormaster (G1)]] (''Ramp'')
*[[Orcanoch]] (Tower Base)
*[[Omega Supreme (G1)]] (''Defense Base'')
*[[Onslaught (G1)]] (''Battle Station'')
*[[Silverbolt (G1)]] (''Launching Ramp'')
*[[Skullgrin]] (''Battle Station'')
*[[Straxus (G1)]] (''Battle Station'')

==Street feature==
*[[Phreaker]] (Pay Phone)
*[[Signal Lancer]] (Stoplight)
*[[Soundwave (G1)]] (Lamppost) {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 1}}
*[[Spanner (G1)|Spanner]] ([[Space Bridge]])
*[[Lamphead]] (Lamppost)

==Television set==
*[[Gogglebox]] (Television Set)
*[[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]] (Plasma Television Set)
*[[Goob Toob]] (Television Set)

==Vehicle component==
[[File:Hi-q nucleonquesttoy.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|G1 Hi-Q (Nucleon Quest Super Convoy version)]]
*[[Frenzy (Movie)]] ([[Barricade (Movie)|Police Car]] Grill)
*[[Laserbeak (Cybertron)]] / [[Hell Buzzsaw]] / [[Blockrock]] (Turbine)
*[[Powermaster]]s (Engine)
*[[Scorponok (Movie)]] ({{w|General Electric T64}} Turboshaft Engine, see [[Scorponok (Movie)#Notes|notes]])
*[[Steering wheel robot]] (Steering Wheel)

==Vending machine==
*[[Dispensor]]
*[[Mountain Dew Robot]]
*[[Dewbot]]

==Video game system related==
*[[High Score 100]] / [[Twitcher F451]] (Controller)
*[[Power Up VT6]] / [[Hacker X-3]] (Portable System)
*"[[Xbox 360 robot|Xbox 360/Ybox robot]]" (Console System)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (Playstation Console and Controller)
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (Sega Mega Drive/ Genesis Game Console and Controller)
*[[Skillz Punk]] (Game Cartridge)
*[[Dr. Moggly]] (VR Goggles)
*[[Game Over]] (Game Controller)

==Watches and clocks==
*[[Autobot (G2)]] ([[Vector Prime]])
*[[Autoceptor]]
*[[Deceptor]]
*[[Kaltor]]
*[[Meantime (Movie)|Meantime]] / [[Midnighter XR-4]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)]]
*[[Scorpia (G2)|Scorpia]]
*[[Ticker]] (Alarm Clock)
*[[Time Warrior (G1)|Time Warrior]]
*[[Watch-bot]]
*The [[Watch that killed Hitler]]
*[[Fit Ness Monster]] (Fitness Monitor)

==Weapon==
[[File:G1Shockwave toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|G1 Shockwave]]
*[[Breast Animal]]s
*[[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]]s (Guns)
*[[Browning]] (Browning M1910 Pistol)
*One of the [[four original AllSpark Mutations]] (Shotgun)
*[[Galvatron (G1)]] (''Laser cannon'' & ''Laser pistol'')
*[[Laserbeak (Armada)]]
*[[Megatron (G1)]] / [[Megaplex]] (Walther P-38 Pistol)
*[[Quickswitch]] / [[Sixknight]] (Jet-Propelled Laser Pistol)
*[[Requiem Blaster (Armada)|Requiem Blaster]] (Blaster)
*[[Scattershot (G1)]] (''Rocket Launcher'')
*[[Shockwave (G1)]] (''Laser Gun'')
*[[Sixshot]] / [[Greatshot]] (''Jet-Propelled Laser Pistol'')
*[[Skyboom (Armada)]] (Shield)
*[[Star Saber (Armada)]] / [[Vorpal Saber]] / [[Energon Saber]] / [[Cryo Saber|Blizzard Saber]] (Aaber)
*[[Straxus (G1)]] (''Flying Cannon'')
*[[Treadshot (G1)|Treadshot]] (Smith & Wesson 357 Magnum - [[Mold]] [[Kibble|details]] suggest that this was his [[alternate mode]] before becoming an [[Action Master]])
*[[Umbra]] (Gun)
*''Likely'' [[Backbite (G1)|Backbite]] (Gun)
*''Probably'' [[Darklight]] (Gun)
*[[Plasma cannon grannybot]] (Plasma Cannon)
*[[Trypticon (WFC)]] (Orbital Cannon)
*[[Vos (DJD)]] (Sniper Rifle)
*[[Battle Master]]s

[[Category:Toys]]

Black Shadow (G1)

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{{Disambigm|Black Shadow (disambiguation)|Sky Shadow (disambiguation)}}
:''Black Shadow is a [[Decepticon]] [[Crossformer]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:G1 BlackShadow boxart.jpg|325px|thumb|Some people call me the Space Gangster/Some call me the Cowboy of Love...]]
Hailing from somewhere beyond the [[Milky Way]] galaxy, '''Black Shadow''' (ブラックシャドー ''Burakku Shadō'', aka '''Sky Shadow''') is a vile gangster whose skills in robbery, extortion and murder are available to anyone who can meet his price. He is loyal only to the highest bidder; even the Decepticons are loath to work with him that often, as they can never be sure he won't betray them in mid-job if he gets a better offer. In jet mode, he can devastate buildings around him with powerful sonic shockwaves by breaking the sound barrier while flying at low altitudes, a technique he calls his "Sonic Boomer Attack".

His partner in crime is [[Blue Bacchus]], a gunman with a similar personality and moral fiber who looks up to him. The pair's partnership has made them infamous throughout space, and there is a massive bounty on their heads, but Black Shadow would actually kill Blue Bacchus without remorse if the situation demanded it.

==Fiction==
===Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''Victory'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Yūji Mikimoto]] (Japanese), [[John Culkin]] (English, Omni Productions dub)}}
[[File:Black shadow cartoon.jpg|left|thumb|225px|I'm a spaaaaace gangster. Bet you weren't ready for that!]]
Black Shadow and his partner, [[Blue Bacchus]], were hired by [[Hellbat (Victory)|Hellbat]] of the [[Breastforce]] to help him loot Planet [[Micro]] of all its energon. While the Crossformers caused massive panic and destruction, Hellbat got a clear run at the energy reserves. The incredible size and power of the Crossformers, especially on a world full of [[Micromaster]]s, made their mission relatively easy, until Governor [[Riker]] called in [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]] to help. [[File:PlanetMicro menacing Crossformers.jpg|thumb|225px|He's space gangstering you with his space gun, making you a space offer you can't space refuse!]] When the Autobot commander arrived to stop the villains during their attack on the [[plasma energy]] plant that provided Micro with a third of all its energy, Black Shadow informed Hellbat that he would need to triple their pay for them to risk their hides in battle with the legendary Star Saber. Hellbat grudgingly agreed, but before the two Crossformers could attack Star Saber, they themselves were attacked by Saber's ally, their former partner in crime, [[Sixshot|Greatshot]], who had reformed and joined the Autobots. At first, the pair seemed to have the six-changer on the ropes, until he used his "Disappearing Dust" technique to get the drop on them and destroy their guns. The pair proved to be no match for Greatshot with their bladed weapons, and he destroyed their outer shells, forcing them to retreat in their small [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]s, vowing revenge. Hellbat joined them in retreat, without any energy to show for his trouble, but the Crossformers insisted that he would still be paying them. {{storylink|Planet Micro - The Mysterious Warrior}}

The Breastforce weren't very happy that Hellbat hired them. {{storylink|Rescue! Guyhawk}}
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====Wars manga====
Hired to work for [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]'s faction of Decepticons by [[Hydra (Masterforce)|Hydra]] and [[Buster (Masterforce)|Buster]], Black Shadow and [[Blue Bacchus]] joined [[Darkwings]] in attacking the [[Second Army]] led by [[Goshooter]] so they could acquire the [[transtector]] factory in [[G Nebula 89]]. Thanks to Goshooter and [[Shūta Gō]], the Decepticons were repelled. {{storylink|Train Wars: Goshooter & Shūta Gō Chapter}}

===''TransTech''===
[[File:BlackShadowHubcap GoneTooFar.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|Right here, his inner robot has already appeared as often as [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]'s.]]
Black Shadow was a resident of [[Axiom Nexus]], performing manual labor for [[Cryotek (TransTech)|Cryotek]] at [[The Blue Deployer]] and... other work as came up from time to time. When [[Gutcruncher (G1)|Gutcruncher]] started stirring up the Offworlder population for a revolt against the [[Transcendent Technomorph|TransTechs]], Black Shadow was hired to eliminate the rabble-rouser. At Gutcruncher's rally, Black Shadow assassinated the mech with a photon charge through the central cortex, killing him instantly. Also, thanks to his stealth field and deliberate positioning, he was able to frame two newly arrived Autobots named [[Jackpot (G1)|Jackpot]] and [[Hubcap (G1)|Hubcap]] for the murder.

Black Shadow monitored the patsies to make sure they didn't implicate him somehow, and he was overjoyed when they "showed" their guilt by escaping from the police. Taking advantage of the situation, Black Shadow planned to execute the duo to cover his tracks and collect on the bounty Gutcruncher's pals had taken out on the "assassins". He gloated openly about his schemes to the two Autobots, until they split up and scampered, hoping he couldn't follow them both. Well, he could—Black Shadow split from his [[Crossformer]] shell and took off after both Autobots. However, Hubcap ultimately outsmarted the Decepticon. The little Autobot used his speakers to draw as much attention as possible to their chase. Then, when Gutcruncher's flunky [[Dirge (Timelines)|Dirge]] and a pack of [[Malignus (G1)|Malignus Revolutionaries]] responded, Hubcap played back a recording of Black Shadow's gloating admission of the crime for all to hear. One more fancy bit of wordplay tricked the Crossformer into admitting his photon charges killed Gutcruncher, and the verdict was in. The Malignus Revolutionary Army and their [[Gigantion]] buddy [[Menasor (Cybertron)|Menasor]] ended Black Shadow's existence very quickly. At the same time, a mysterious capsule of [[Scraplet]] digestive acid went off in Black Shadow's shell, saving Jackpot's life and preventing any information from being recovered from the shell's CPU. Black Shadow's own head (and therefore his datatrax) also went missing in the melee after his death... almost as if someone was covering their tracks... {{storylink|Gone Too Far}}

He was later mentioned by Cryotek when he was questioned by [[Cheetor (TransTech)|Cheetor]] about [[Comet]], saying that he "couldn't give him Black Shadow's old job in the loading docks."
{{storylink|Withered Hope}}
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===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
:*''First Appearance:'' [[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 2|Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers #2]]

[[File:LastStandoftheWreckers2-teleconference.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Space mafia? More like space ''cheerleader'', amirite?]]
Black Shadow was one of the first Decepticons that [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] selected for a torturous upgrade process that would transform him into a planet-devastating superwarrior. With an infusion of [[ununtrium]] rendering him virtually indestructible, Black Shadow became part of a small group known as the "[[Warriors Elite]]" that also came to include [[Sixshot]] and [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}} He and the other Warriors Elite were at the [[Battle for Hell's Point]] and were confronted by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]]. {{storylink|The Gloaming}} At the height of the war, Megatron chose to repurpose the Warriors Elite as "[[Phase Sixer]]s", who would enact the doomsday protocols called for by the sixth and final phase of his new [[infiltration protocol]]. Informed of this via teleconference with their leader, Black Shadow and Sixshot were excited to serve the Decepticons in this expanded capacity, but Overlord chafed. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 2|Last Stand of the Wreckers #2}}

[[File:RulesofDisengagement-BlackShadowvsWreckers.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|I sprouted wings at some point.]]
Black Shadow's exploits were notorious, and were among the prominent highlights of the Great War [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]] recalled when he educated [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] on the war's history. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|The Chaos of Warm Things}} Said exploits included his single-handedly murdering three billion inhabitants of [[Rigel IV]], a battle with the [[Wrecker]]s during which he killed three of them and dismembered their leader [[Hyperion (G1)|Hyperion]], and his massacre of 3,003 members of the Autobots' [[113th Battalion]], an encounter that saw him personally best [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]].

[[File:Tarn BlackShadow RulesofDisengagement.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Not everyone responds well to ASMR...]]
However loyal Black Shadow was to the Decepticon cause, though, he was more loyal to wealth, and he accepted half a billion [[Shanix]] from the Autobots to turn on the Decepticons' fleet of [[Warworld|War Worlds]]. News of his betrayal reached the [[Decepticon Justice Division]], and eventually they caught him and he found himself at their mercy. He was melted by [[Helex (DJD)|Helex]], lost his legs to [[Tesarus (DJD)|Tesarus]], was electrocuted by [[Kaon (DJD)|Kaon]], and was ultimately talked to death by [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]], his [[spark]] exploding spectacularly as he expired. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}}
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===''Titans Return'' marketing material===
Sky Shadow was a thief partnered with the [[Titan Master]] [[Ominus]]. With Ominus's hacking ability, no system in the galaxy was safe from them. {{storylink|#TitansReturn|''Titans Return'' Ominus/Sky Shadow toy bio}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
[[File:BattleTacticsSkyShadow.jpg|thumb|left|300px]]

Sky Shadow participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of him! He was a Rare character who could be recruited by collecting 100 units of Cybermetal, 50 units of Transmetal, and 30 exclusive cores. {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}

===''Transformers Legends''===
Black Shadow, on the run from the Decepticon Justice Division for taking bribes from the Autobots, fled to the planet Clemency. There, he met up with a group of Decepticon scavengers. The DJD soon found them, and though Black Shadow put up a valiant fight, he and the scavengers were soon killed by the DJD. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (Legends)|Rules of Disengagement}}
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==Toys==
===Victory===
[[File:G1BlackShadow toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|He may not be a mafioso, but he'll still cut off your horse's head.]]
*'''Black Shadow''' (Crossformer, [[1989]])
**''Japanese ID number'': '''D-309'''
**''Accessories'': Crossformer shell, 2 large rifles, small rifle

:Black Shadow is a [[redeco]] of the [[Pretender]] [[Thunderwing (G1)#Generation 1|Thunderwing]], transforming into a Cybertronic jet. His outer Crossformer shell's chestplate/head piece is [[retool]]ed from Thunderwing's to make it more robotic. However, it still transforms into a larger Cybertronic jet like the original version. The inner vehicle can be attached underneath the nose of the larger vehicle to create a combined starship mode. All three of his guns can be mounted on his shell's [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1989/Destron/BlackShadow/blackshadow.htm More information on Black Shadow at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://tfbaka.de-blog.jp/1dai/2008/10/post_cf3c.html Gallery of Black Shadow at Transformers Baka Ichidai]''
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===Generations===
[[File:Gen-toy SkyShadow.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Once a retool, always a retool...]]
*'''Sky Shadow''' (Deluxe Class, [[2011]])
**''Accessories'': 2 missile launchers, 2 missiles, recon drone

:Part of the final ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' wave in 2011 (alongside [[Junkyard (G1)#Generations|Junkheap]]), "Sky Shadow" is a retool of [[Thunderwing (G1)#Generations|Thunderwing]], featuring a new head and chest piece based on the ''Victory'' cartoon's design. He transforms into a fighter jet loosely based on an [[United States Air Force#F-22 Raptor|F-22 Raptor]] but with different wings, yet retaining the F-22's characteristic zigzag "stealth" patterns. The nose of the jet can detach and become a separate aerial drone, while the two missile launchers can detach from the wings and become hand-held weapons or clip together into one massive gun. The middle sections of the sculpted missiles on the sides of the guns are also compatible with [[C joint]] accessories.

:Sky Shadow was originally "leaked" via Thunderwing's instructions, as they initially depicted him with Sky Shadow's head and chest. A [[Variant|running change]] version of the instructions depicts Thunderwing's own head, but keeps Sky Shadow's chest unchanged.

:This mold was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 toyline)|Adventure]]'' [[Black Shadow (Adventure)#Toys|Black Shadow]] and differently retooled into ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' [[Metalhawk (Masterforce)#Timelines|Metalhawk]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Decepticon/SkyShadow/skyshadow.htm More information on ''Generations'' Sky Shadow at TFU.info]''

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====Titans Return====
[[File:TF-Generations-Titans-Return-Leader-Sky-Shadow.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|...except for when he's a pretool]]
*'''Ominus & Sky Shadow''' (Leader Class, [[2017]])
**''Accessories:'' Gun, [[Ominus#Toys|Ominus]] Titan Master

:''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' Sky Shadow is a new Leader-sized mold consisting of two vehicles, a tank and a jet, which are able to combine together to form a robot mode or a base mode. The barrel of his tank mode becomes a gun for his robot mode, and he also comes with a "shield" that he can hold or peg onto his arm which fulfills the role of his original toy's inner robot in jet mode, attaching under his nosecone. The two accessories can combine to form a larger weapon, which seats a [[Titan Master]] and can plug into other Leader Class figures' base modes as a turret (Sky Shadow's own base mode lacks the clearance to accommodate it). In base mode he can connect to other Leader Class figure's base modes and Titan Class figures and by way of fold-out connectors on what were his robot mode feet and on an additional connector on the back of the base mode.

:Sky Shadow is a [[Retool|premold]] of [[Overlord (Masterforce)#Generations|Overlord]], who was released in the following wave of Leader Class figures, and was separately retooled into ''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' [[Dai Atlas (Zone)#Legends|Dai Atlas]]. He would have been redecoed as [[Megatron (Armada)|''Energon'' Megatron]] with Titan Master Leader-1 from [[Swoop (G1)/toys#Titans Return|Ptero]] with the face of [[Ominus]] as a 2017 BotCon exclusive that never came to be.

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==Notes==
*In Japanese, Black Shadow's function reads "''Uchū Gyangu''" (宇宙ギャング), which translates to "Space Gangster". The [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers|common misconception]] that he is a member of the "Space Mafia" is due to a mistranslation some years ago in which "gangster" was interpreted as "Mafia". Big difference.
*The Crossformers' ID numbers are a huge jump ''backwards'' in the numbering system. The other ''Victory'' Decepticons' numbers start at D-322. However, Shadow and Bacchus' D-309 and D-310 put them right in the middle of the ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#1988 (Super-God Masterforce)|Super-God Masterforce]]'' Decepticons' numbers, between [[1988]]'s [[Browning]] and [[Scorponok (G1)|BlackZarak]], even though the Crossformers were released in [[1989]]. What the hell?
*While "Sky Shadow" is the name of the first ''Generations'' figure on its card and elsewhere, [[Walmart]]'s product database listed the figure as "BLCKSHAD" and printed as such on the receipt.

===Foreign names===
*''English:'' '''Thunderwing''' ([[Omni Productions]] dub)
*''Mandarin:'' '''Hēi Yǐng''' (黑影, "Black Shadow"), '''Tiān Yǐng''' (天影, "Sky Shadow")
*''Russian:'' '''Gromovoy''' (Громовой, "Thunderous")

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Jipe (Eletrix)

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{{disambig2|the Eletrix|the evil Malignus|Jipe (Malignus)}}
:''Jipe is possibly an [[Autobot]] from the [[Estrela]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[File:Eletrix-Jipe.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|You're really pushing my buttons.]]

'''Jipe''' (pronounced "jeep") is a cipher.

==Toys==
===''Transformers''===
* '''Eletrix Jipe''' (Eletrix, 1985)

: Released in Brazil by [[Estrela]], Jipe transforms from an indigo jeep to a robot and back with a press of one of the buttons on the wired remote control. The other button propels the jeep (or robot) forwards. Like the other [[Eletrix]], the toy is powered by two AA batteries.

==Notes==
* The Eletrix were [[Pre-Transformer|originally released]] in Japan by Yonezawa Toys under the name ''Remote Change Robo Series''.
* Similar to [[Sedan (Robocar)|Sedan]], the same toy that became Jipe ''may'' have been intended for release by [[Hasbro]] at one time; there was an unreleased "Remote Control Jeep" for 1985.<ref>[http://boltax.blogspot.com/2011/01/ron-friedman-auction-hasbro-briefing.html Ron Friedman auction - Hasbro Briefing Binder (pt 6 )]</ref>
* Thanks to Estrela's habit of re-using names and only giving [[bio]]s to about half their products, it's unclear just who ''this'' Jipe is. We're treating him as his own character, but it's ''possible'' he's a new version of [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]], who was named "Jipe" in Brazil. It's similarly unclear what relation either of these Jipes have with the evil [[Malignus (G1)|Malignus]] [[Jipe (Malignus)|Jipe]]. Fun!

==References==
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[[Category:Generation 1 Transformers]]
[[Category:South American-original characters]]
[[Category:Toys]]

Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 24

2018-07-19T01:14:01Z

NovaSaber:

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==Contents==
===Transformers In Action: Fooled By Space Pirates===

===Articles and features===
*Brainstorm shows the reader how to assemble a foldout car.
*Perceptor presents science facts.
*Transformers teach the reader how to tie knots.
*A board game with a garish Scorponok and board.
*Spot the different with ugly colored Megatron and Ratchet.
*Box art of Powermaster Optimus Prime, presents a crossword.

===Reprints===
*[[Wrecking Havoc|''The Transformers'' (Marvel UK) #172-173 - "Wrecking Havoc" Parts 1 & 2]]

==Notes==
*Fooled By Space Pirates is a text story retelling of the first three parts of [[Space Pirates!]].
*Wreck-Gar is founded guilty by the Quintessons, and is thrown to the Sharkticons. This is not unprecedented, as in [[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2]] Kup and Ultra Magnus are also found guilty, implying that the Quintessons trials are a sham, where the accused is executed regardless of the verdict. However as a prisoner was declared innocent in Space Pirates! it seems that the writer either didn't understand the Quintessons shtick, or deliberately changed it.
*A Quintesson guard is named Anadin. This appears to be due to a reference Wreck-Gar made in the original story to Anadin brand headache tablets, as he throw a Quintesson guard into the Sharkticons pool. The writer appears to have missed the reference and assumed it was the guards name.
*Autobot City is located in North Carolina.
*Strangely on the last page, its stated that a "(BAD)" is approaching Autobot City. In context this appears to be the Autobot Surveillance Droid used in Space Pirates, which is for some reason called "(BAD)".
*This was, sadly, the last issue of the Comic-Magazin.

===Errors===

===Advertisements===
*A one page advertisement for Skyquake.

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Talk:Sword of Judgment

2018-07-10T02:29:26Z

NovaSaber:

When someone does the toy section remember to include this: http://hobby.dengeki.com/news/594307/ [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:06, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
:Those swords apparently have different names. [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 22:29, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

Water

2018-07-06T01:21:38Z

NovaSaber: /* The Transformers cartoon */

[[File:Water.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|Cybertron gave up water eons of your Earth years ago.]]
'''Water''' is a chemical substance. As it makes up close to 70 percent of their bodies and its consumption at least once every 3 days is necessary for their survival, it can be considered the [[human]] equivalent of [[energon]].

==Fiction==
===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
Water is so rare on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] that [[Wideload (G1)|Wide Load]] and [[Rollbar (G1)|Rollbar]] had never even heard of it.

It cures [[Scraplet]]s. {{storylink|The Cure!}}

Cybertron's surface is covered by at least a few seas, but these seas are not of water. The [[Rust Sea]], for example, is a sea of, uh, rust. There are chambers deep inside Cybertron which also run with liquid, {{storylink|The Primal Scream}} {{storylink|Out of Time!}} but they have been confirmed to be not water. {{storylink|Letters page (Marvel UK)|Darn 'n' Blast #303}}

{{note|The Transformers who are unfamiliar with water are likely confused or just not very worldly, as [[Neo-Knights|several humans]] later managed to exist without environmental protection gear on Cybertron without drying up like old corn. Not all Transformers are unfamiliar with water; in the very first issue of the Marvel comic, [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] mentioned his "[[water gun]]," and Bumblebee was excited to learn that so much of Earth was covered with water, since he loved a good swim. Before the Scraplets crisis, Ratbat devised a fuel-harvesting scheme involving an Earthly [[Wash and Roll|carwash]], which of course used water.}}

===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
Water applied to a [[human]]'s epidermis frees him from the controlling effects of [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]]'s hypnotic ultrasonic suggestions. {{storylink|Auto-Bop}}

[[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] seemed to end up getting tossed into water quite a bit. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}} {{storylink|Thief in the Night}} {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}} {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 6}}

===''Generation 2''===
Some Transformers, namely the [[Aquaspeeder]]s, [[Stormtrooper (G1)|Stormtroopers]], and [[Color Changer]]s, use high-pressure water-cannons as armaments. This is after they apparently re-discovered water, or something.

===''Cybertron'' cartoon===
After scanning a fire engine as his new [[alternate mode]], [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] began carrying a supply of water which he could spray from his cannons to extinguish fires and on one occasion a Decepticon warp gate. {{storylink|Inferno (episode)|Inferno}} {{storylink|Trust (Cybertron)|Trust}} {{storylink|Revelation (episode)|Revelation}} Most of the other Autobots were also capable of carrying water, although their efficacy at extinguishing flames was not as great. {{storylink|Unfinished}}

===''Animated'' cartoon===
This [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] also has a water cannon.

[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]] would end up immersed in the stuff for quite some time. {{storylink|Garbage In, Garbage Out}} {{storylink|Human Error, Part II}}

Boiling hot water can kill [[space barnacle]]s and remove them from their host. {{storylink|Nature Calls}}

[[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] hates most features of organic planets, and water is no exception. He especially hates that it falls from the sky on Earth. [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]], on the other hand, was highly appreciative of a planet that could double as a car wash. {{storylink|Where Is Thy Sting?}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: War for Cybertron''===
The [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]] prison complex was seen in what appeared to be heavy rainfall. {{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|War for Cybertron}}

==Toys==
{{main|Water-squirting gimmick}}

==Notes==
* Occasionally, the fleshlings like to hand out [[Transformers the Movie water|minuscule samples of this substance]] as promotions for their [[Transformers (film)|documentary footage of Cybertronians]].

==External links==
* [http://transfans.co.uk/comics_guide_detail.php?id=447 Transformers #303 Letters Page on Transfans.co.uk]

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MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2018-07-04T20:29:55Z

NovaSaber: /* Merging the Alpha Trion pages (or: "Grandpa Convergence") */

__NEWSECTIONLINK__

This is the place for discussion of topics that affect the entire wiki. Some topics that would ordinarily be here have merited their own pages:

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<div class="list-header">'''Moving From Wikia:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving|Arriving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving|Leaving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal/Complaints|Complaints]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''New Ad Policy:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki:Ads|Ads]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''Bookworm Database-Crash:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central|Damage Control Central]]
* [[Project:Bookworm Crash]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving2|Leaving Take 2]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''Server Move:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving2|Arriving Take 2]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''Relicensing:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Relicensing|Relicensing]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''Dealing With Vandalism:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Vandalism|Vandalism]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''GoBots Sister Wiki:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/GoBots|Discussion on the place of GoBots in this wiki]]
<br/> <div class="list-header">'''Wiki Technical Information:'''</div>
* [[Transformers_Wiki:Tech|A Not So Brief Summary of the Horrible Things That McFly and Co. Have Done To Keep This Wiki From Melting Down]]
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== Voice Actors listed on separate episodes ==

Why don't we have voice actors listed on separate episodes? Also does anyone know if Transformers: Portal came out yet? [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 13:59, 7 November 2017 (EST)
:I don't think there's been a specific discussion, but since it's rare for characters to have different voice actors in different episodes, it would cause a lot of clutter for not a lot of gain. If someone wants to see who voiced a particular character, they can generally just go to the character's page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:57, 7 November 2017 (EST)
:[[Transformers: Portal|http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Portal]] Rudimentary since there is next to no coverage in English. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:55, 7 November 2017 (EST)
::Yeah, that's true. And regarding Transformers: Portal, they ''did'' actually start making episodes. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 19:06, 7 November 2017 (EST)

== Vote on "other versions of character" sections ==

So the "example versions" of these sections has been up for a while now with nothing being done about them, so we should probably decide one way or the other whether we're using them. I definitely feel very strongly that these sections at the bottoms of articles would be very positive for accessibility and people being able to quickly find other versions of the character that they've been reading about — after all, there's no real difference between [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]], [[Demolishor (WFC)|Demolishor]], and [[Demolisher]], and they are ''inarguably'' the same "character" in a way that [[Demolishor (ROTF)]] isn't. There's three options for what we can do:
* [[Slug (AOE)#Other continuities|Jalaguy's galleries]]
* [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)#See also|My "see also" bullet-lists]]
* Keep things as they are and just have users rely on the disambiguation pages
I vote for the bullet lists, since they're unobtrusive and can still be used when a character has no images available. [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/page-442#entry3619900 This Allspark post] by M Sipher sums up my feelings pretty well. Anyone else? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:39, 8 November 2017 (EST)
:I vote keep things as is. While the current system isn't perfect, I think this sort of disambiguation is best left to the...disambiguation pages. It is why they exist. Having a separate section for a DIFFERENT form of disambiguation at the bottom of the article opposing the regular disambiguation links at the top makes no sense to me. I think a better option would be to improve the "new user utility" of the existing disambig pages. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:38, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I say keep things the way it is. For the same reason Xaaron stated above. I think those "Other versions" sections should only be for characters with different spellings. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 15:49, 8 November 2017 (EST)
:I'd prefer to keep things as they are. If we have to go with one of those two though I prefer the bullet-lists for being less obtrusive. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 15:53, 8 November 2017 (EST)

:I think I would like the bullet list version if it was slightly more eyecatching, like in a template box of some sort:
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Wreck-Gar have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] Autobot from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] continuity family.
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:as a rough example. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:59, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::Ooh, ooh, yes, I like this. It fixes the one reservation I had with the bullet list, which was eye-catching-ness.
::And I maintain that disambiguation pages really don't severe the purpose that this proposal was originally intended for - helping the uninformed user find about other-continuity versions of the character they've just read about. The link to a disambiguation is very easily glossed over (who can honestly say that they read through every header note and template before beginning the intro paragraph?), and they're set up entirely for their primary purpose, which is getting you from the search box to the right article. If you want to find alt-universe versions of a character, you'd have to manually dig through the list to see which are actually the same guy and which are different guys with the same name. You could rework disambig pages, but that'd make them worse at their primary job. An end-of-article list of alt versions of the specific character hurts nobody and helps the uniformed reader sort through the morass to other content they'll be interested in. The way I see it, there's no downside. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:37, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I'd also like to quickly add that I solicited feedback on the proposal from TFWiki Tumblr followers a while back (on the basis that they're reasonably likely to be in the "got-into-TFs-relatively-recently" demographic that this is intended to help), and got plenty of "yeah, this would be helpful for me" feedback. The proposal ''will'' help people, and I don't see what ''harm'' it could possibly do, so...? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:55, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::Ooh. Yesyesyes to this. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:39, 8 November 2017 (EST)

:I like the idea of a shortcut it will save a little time. But it also may reduce traffic, because people won't look at other interesting pages in the disambiguation. The gallery is a little cluttered. In any case, I also made made my own version:

{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Wreck-Gar have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] Autobot from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] continuity family.
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:—[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 16:26, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I dig this one with the double Dinobots; we only need one, and the image is very immediately clear at that small size (well we could probably crop it tighter and brighten it a bit but still). I ABSOLUTELY think we should have this given the name-reassigning/changing that this franchise is nostrils-deep in that makes Disambig pages not terribly ideal for finding these kind of doppelgangers. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:00, 8 November 2017 (EST)

I like this idea of using a template. I've made my own that could be used for bigger charcters, while LiegeDecado's can be used for smaller characters. Just an idea though.
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Bumblebee have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], the yellow [[kid-appeal character]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], the voiceless yellow one-man franchise from the [[live-action film series]].
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], the yellow kid-appeal character from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.
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[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 17:22, 8 November 2017 (EST)

Personally, I think that if we do this bullet point image, we should use the Crisis on Infinite Hot Rods image from RG1, as it probably best illustrates the concept we're dealing with here (maybe crop it a little bigger or something). It probably wouldn't ''hurt'' to link to the disambiguation at the bottom, either, something like this....

{{Messagebox|
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*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], the yellow [[kid-appeal character]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], the voiceless yellow one-man franchise from the [[live-action film series]].
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], the yellow kid-appeal character from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.
''For more information, see [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)]]''
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I strongly prefer the look of the gallery version. It's a perfect visual cap-off at the bottom of the page, it's attention-getting in a way that neither looks like clutter nor will be overwhelmed by large Notes sections, and it gives you a visual to compare all these different versions, which is information in itself.
The bullet template strikes me as very strange, showing unrelated character X alongside a list of versions of character Y. The images convey the information much more strikingly. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 01:45, 9 November 2017 (EST)

:Maybe we can do both?
{{Messagebox|
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File:Dinobot Hunt Slag.jpg|[[Slag (G1)|"Generation 1" Slag]]
File:TFAnimated Snarl.jpg|[[Snarl (Animated)|''Animated'' Snarl]]
File:FOC-Slugart.jpg|[[Slug (FOC)|''Fall of Cybertron'' Slug]]
File:Adventureart-Slug.jpg|[[Slug (Adventure)|''Adventure'' Slug]]
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:—[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 10:29, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::If we did it as a gallery in a template like this, the picture of the Rodimuses is unnecessary and it'd look much better without it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:47, 9 November 2017 (EST)
I still don't see the value doing these things in addition to the disambig pages, instead of improving the disambig pages to better convey the same information. Having both doesn't feel "new reader friendly". Having two different types of disambig for a character, in two different locations, makes it MORE likely a new reader will spot one and not the other, or not understand the difference between the two disambigs without greater study...which just isn't a good set-up to help them find info quickly and easily.
Why can't the disambig page just be renovated to list:
:--> Here's Slag (G1)
:-- --> Here's the characters based on Slag (regardless of name)
:--> Here's the other uses of Slag unrelated to Slag (G1)
And as a matter of aesthetics, I think using the same basic template for this that we use for when people screw up or something is missing is a bad idea too. When I see boxes like that on a page, I automatically think "stub" article, and my instinct is to do something to remove them. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:55, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::The problem with that approach is that it risks making the disambigs ''worse'' at their main job. If you ''are'' looking for Slag the rando nameslap guy, that's just made it a whole lot harder on the person. And since disambigs are geared around names, not characters, you'd end up with weird situations - under your approach, [[Hot Rod (disambiguation)]] and [[Rodimus (disambiguation)]] would basically end up being the same page twice. Disambigs are primarily a functional tool, they exist to act as a signpost to get people from point A to B. I would wager that almost nobody is clicking through to disambig pages from character pages, because that's not really what they're for, and they call no attention to themselves, an easily glossed-over link at the very top of the article. The point of this proposal is to facilitate wiki-walking and exploration, to be a "you might also be interested in" section. We ''could'' change disambigs to lean more in that direction, but that's gonna make disambigs poorer signposts. I just don't see what there is to lose here. Disambigs will still exist as the same name directories they always have. The person who, for some reason, is searching for Classics Mini-Con Thunderwing will still get there. But the person who just read about G1 Thunderwing and wonders if they've been in other continuities doesn't have to manually click through a list every Thunderwing to find out which ones are nameslaps and which ones aren't.
::I do agree that the template approach could do with a newer design to differentiate it from needs work templates though, that's a really good point. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:16, 9 November 2017 (EST)

::I see disambiguations most often when I'm searching for a character, and I usually end up clicking on a lot of links. But that's on purpose, an helps me explore. These menus would be a nice shortcut—it's sort of like narrowing down the dismbiguation to a similar set of characters. the disambigs are great, the template would just be adding on. Also, it may look like less of an error box if it has a white background. —[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 13:49, 9 November 2017 (EST)
The more images added to this thing, the uglier and clunkier it looks. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 13:58, 9 November 2017 (EST)
:Agreed. I think we should use the Rodimus one Repowers created. You know, the one with just text. It would take up less space, be less intrusive but create a shortcut for users trying to look for another version. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 15:29, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::I like that version as well, though with some formatting to ensure that a longer list doesn't wrap around the image (since that looks really ugly). -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:20, 9 November 2017 (EST)
:Also, not everyone who'd get one of these yet HAS an image, or one good enough to use. Aligned Wreck-Gar, for example. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:19, 10 November 2017 (EST)

[[User:TheLiegeDecado/Sandbox|I made a sandbox with a template, go ahead and edit it.]] —[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 17:27, 10 November 2017 (EST)

BUMP!
Anyone still interested in this? Someone removed the one from Slag (G1) along with some other edits. I have restored this gallery for now, but if we are going to do this we need to get it going. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:48, 16 May 2018 (EDT)

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*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] [[Autobot]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]], the worthless wreck/walking pile of garbage from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family]].}}

:How do people feel about this take? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:44, 16 May 2018 (EDT)
::Works for me, I suppose. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:28, 17 May 2018 (EDT)
Still opposed to the idea. Same reasons as last year. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 08:40, 17 May 2018 (EDT)

Thinking more on this, would it be better if it matched the other templates we have for navigating between similar articles?
{{chapters
|title=Versions of Wreck-Gar|style=1
|content=
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Generation 1]]
*[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Animated]]
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Aligned]]
For more information, see [[Wreck-Gar (disambiguation)]].
}} --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:53, 17 May 2018 (EDT)
:So, since Riptide thought to tell the AllSpark she was going to implement her version today unless anyone stopped her, I feel the need to do more than just re-sign my previous objection.
:Using two different, somewhat-overlapping versions of a disambiguation list is not intuitive for new visitors. Having the disambig link at top and this box at the bottom scatters information that should be all together in one place. Further, the difference between "Characters named Slag" and "Characters derived from the traditional Slag character template" is a very nuanced distinction that visitors won't immediately understand. I can easily see people finding one of the two disambigs and not the other, then getting confused when they're sure some other form of Slag exists but they're not finding it in ''that'' disambig (of 2). I mean...disambigs are an index. You don't have multiple competing indexes for the same resource.
:If people do insist on implementing this, though, I strongly suggest using a different template format than the one we use for stubs, warnings, and broken content. That template format is a '''''bad''''' thing when you see it anywhere else on this wiki. An informative resource link like a disambig should look different. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 17:10, 17 May 2018 (EDT)

:I don't like that a lot - it's not very eyecatching or informative - but it's better than nothing. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:06, 17 May 2018 (EDT)
::This is... well, it's not exactly furniture-shuffling, but it is buying furniture that we don't need. It's a solution that's looking for a problem. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:26, 17 May 2018 (EDT)
:::Just to clarify my position: I don't really see the need for these. I only restored the one that was removed as this discussion had not reached a clear conclusion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:38, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::I legit don't get the arguments against some implementation of this. It's an exploration-y "you might also be interested in" thing, not a technical index thing like disambiguation pages. I've had casual users saying "ooh, yes, that would be helpful" to me. Like I've said in the past, dismabigs are very bad at helping you find all the other continuities a character has appeared in, and making them better at that would make them worse at their main job of getting you to the right page after a search. I mean, geez, if suddenly a bunch of people turn up confused on talk pages we ''could'' undo it all again if we wanted. That being said, I do kinda agree with Xaaron's point about the template style. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 11:53, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::Okay, look at it this way. If I am reading an article about character named "Skrankotron (Hoodaddy)" and I see a link to "Skrankotron (disambiguation)" I would find it most likely that anything on that page is another version of this character. If I am really into Skrankotron I would click on it and follow the links to my hearts content. Yeah, this franchise sometimes has "name-drop" characters who are nothing like the "archetype", but they are few and far between and getting less common. If there are characters that are blatantly derived from the same archetype (like the Slag, Slug, Slog examples) put a big honking note on there like "Characters basically identical to Skrankotron have sometimes been called Skrilloplex or Sharomus Magnus" with links to those pages. I don't see why you would need a secondary disambig on each character page when the disambiguation pages should be doing this already. I do see the point of putting a "for similar characters see "Skrankotron (disambiguation)" link on Skrilloplex and Sharomus Magnus, though. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:29, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::[[Demolishor (disambiguation)|Demolishor]]. [[Scourge (disambiguation)|Scourge]]. [[Broadside (disambiguation)|Broadside]]. [[Knockout (disambiguation)|Knockout]]. There's plenty of characters whose names have been nameslapped multiple times, and it hurts nobody to add a little widget saying "hey, these are the name reuses (or differently-named characters) that ARE basically the same guy". I mean, Jalaguy literally ''asked'' the TFWiki Tumblr's followers - probably the best metric for polling casual viewers we've got - and got an overwhelmingly positive response. With that in mind, how can you say it wouldn't be useful for casual readers? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:55, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, chaotic disambigs like that are what inspired me back when I first brought up this proposal. Situations where there's a big list of name uses and the only way to work out which ones are versions of the character you're interested in is to manually click through to each article in turn. No harm in doing that legwork ahead of time for the curious user, surely? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 15:09, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::::My opinion, and what seems to be Khajidha's, isn't that we're against doing this ''at all''. It's about doing this separate from the existing disambig page, linked at opposite ends of an article. Isn't there a way to accommodate doing this form of disambig, but doing it ON the disambig page, like when we added the "Major Optimus Primes" image references? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:14, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::See, I don't see the point of ''that''. Like, what would that involve? A note on the disambig page that "only X, X and X are versions of X character"? Why put it there instead of on the page for, say, Prime Knock Out, so that someone reading about that character can see "oh, I've finished reading the information on Knock Out, but I see that he also appeared in G1 and Animated". --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:20, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::::::That's what the disambig pages already do, and specifically for Knock Out too. Are you concerned people won't find this information unless it's on the same page as the character's article? Because (correct me if I'm wrong), but it feels like we're arguing over the difference between "seeing it" and "clicking the disambig link and ''then'' seeing it". --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:42, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::::Yep, Xaaron, we are in agreement on all of that.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:01, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::::::::Listen, don't consider this a vote, but the disambiguation pages ''don't'' simply do that. They just contain a list of characters with the same name. Like I've got a video about Nemesis Prime dropping this weekend, right? So while doing my research I naturally checked the disambig page for him and his "evil twin" archetypes with different names. And on them, it says things like he "should not be confused with Scourge." Except - '''yes''', they absolutely '''should''' be confused with him, because they are the '''same thing''' that had it's name changed. All the disambigs do is disambiguate the ''name'' - they don't disambiguate the ''actual character''. "Sharpshot" ''should'' be confused with "Shrapnel." Hardshell ''should'' be confused with "Bombshell." Outback ''should'' be confused with "Fallback" because they're the ''same thing'', but instead they're thrown in at the end of the disambig page under "see also," set on the same level as "characters whose names sound a bit like this one" who they genuinely shouldn't be confused with. There is a distinction between "character" and "name" that the disambiguation pages are ''not'' making, and that's what this is intended to address. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 17:38, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::::::I feel like updating the disambig pages would be a better solution than creating a second disambig template that goes at the end of the article where most people wouldn't see it. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:56, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::::::::::I completely agree with Chris. And I completely agree with Dark T. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 18:01, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::I didn't see this until now but I agree that revamping the disambiguation pages in these cases would be a better solution. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 15:41, 28 May 2018 (EDT)

== Rename User ==

I was thinking about activating this extension since every so often it comes up that someone wants to change their username but can't. Does anyone have any objections? I'll ask in the thread on the AllSpark too, as soon as I can get the AllSpark to actually load (is it broken for anyone else?) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:52, 2 December 2017 (EST)
:It’s been broken for me almost all day (Also, been wanting change my name for a while) [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] ([[User talk:Jcbynum1|talk]]) 00:20, 3 December 2017 (EST)
::I'd be all for it; been trying to consolidate my usernames across most fandom-based platforms for a while now. I can't see the harm, especially if it's admin-initiated. [[User:Magaroja|Doc Chloroplast]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 11:03, 5 December 2017 (EST)

Just to clarify in case there's any confusion: the RenameUser extension won't allow users to rename themselves directly - rather they'll need to ask an admin to rename them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:23, 4 December 2017 (EST)

No reason not to allow this, is there? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 12:52, 7 December 2017 (EST)
:I say go for it. [[User:West james|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 17:22, 7 December 2017 (EST)
::I've just renamed Notirishman to test it and it looks like it worked perfectly, so thumbs up! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:14, 8 December 2017 (EST)

== Allspark Forums down ==
PSA to all interested: Alas, the Allspark's server is currently down and our server company doesn't do standard maintenance on weekends. You can try [http://temp.allspark.com/index.php?showtopic=2455 this temporary site] in the interim and check back on Monday to see if the site is back up. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:35, 3 December 2017 (EST)

== Is this the holy grail for Famicom How to Manga: Transformers Mystery of Convoy? ==

I have found this on TF RAW page:

[http://tfraw.blogspot.mx/p/mystery-of-convoy.html Famicom How to Manga: Transformers Mystery of Convoy at TF RAW]

Is this one of the items in the holy grail section?

[[User:EDDIE-X|EDDIE-X]] ([[User talk:EDDIE-X|talk]]) 20:29, 28 December 2017 (EST)

== Samoa Joe ==

Hi! I'd like to start a page for Samoa Joe (Nuufolau Joel Seanoa, voice of ''Power of the Primes'' Predaking), but I don't have clearance to do so. How can I get this clearance?

--[[User:TomServo88|TomServo88]] ([[User talk:TomServo88|talk]]) 16:21, 9 January 2018 (EST)
: Not necessary; someone beat you to it. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:28, 9 January 2018 (EST)

== Pete's Robot Convention 2018 ==

Should we consider customization class POTP Shattered Glass Swoop or Double Pretender Gears as official figures or not since Pete's Robot Convention isn't endorsed by HasTak? They are using HasTak and Funpub molds (whom the latter lost the license) so I am not so sure. So should we list them under toys or in the notes like Action Master G2 Breakdown? [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:26, 13 January 2018 (EST)
:Those are no different from any other unofficial fan customs repainted from official molds that we don't cover here. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 08:24, 14 January 2018 (EST)

== Downtime ==

Our web host has to do some maintenance to mitigate the recently discovered CPU vulnerabilities. The Wiki will therefore unavoidably be unavailable for a period of time at 2am and 7am UTC on the 15th. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:45, 14 January 2018 (EST)

== Merging the Alpha Trion pages (or: "Grandpa Convergence") ==

Considering that the Hasbro position going forwards seems to be using "member of the Thirteen" as Alpha Trion's primary role, I propose that we apply the same standards to him as we do our other Thirteen articles and merge the various versions into a single page. Considering that we've already had a pre-Aligned source that claims that all Alpha Trions are basically the same, I think it's a good idea to bend our rules and consider them the same sort of "general archetype" as the Fallen, Prima, et al.

The two main issues I expect:
*"He has a ''Shattered Glass'' version, so it'd be silly to have him one one page!" - [[Unicron/Shattered Glass|So does Unicron]]. I figure we'd apply the same standards.
*"He was never a multiversal singularity!" - Neither were Amalgamous, Quintus or Alchemist, and we still combine their Aligned and IDW incarnations.

I'd also like to note that, as it stands, the [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] who is most notable for being one of the Thirteen doesn't get to have the Alpha Trion Prime Master on his page. Thoughts? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:26, 17 January 2018 (EST)
:If we need to have consistency, I think it's simpler to just apply our standard organization to the rest of the Thirteen and the gods instead of forcing G1 A3 into a format that basically ignores 30 years of his history. Optimus Prime is basically the same guy across families and sometimes one of the Thirteen, but we're not merging them all. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:56, 17 January 2018 (EST)
::Optimus's sitch is different in that he doesn't seem to be part of The Official List Of Thirteen, which is twelve dudes plus whatever a given piece of fiction wants the super special Thirteenth Prime to be. I don't think it'd be ignoring his history; the opening paragraph doesn't even have to mention his Thirteeniness, it can just say that he's one of the oldest living Cybertronians. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:46, 17 January 2018 (EST)

Having mulled this matter for some time, I have come around to Riptide’s position. Alpha Trion indeed has, on a relative scale, almost no variation in his characterization and design despite debuting long before multiversal singularities and continuing even afterwards. And as Riptide says, Hasbro blurring the lines between continuity families means that there is user-unfriendly thematic dissonance for us to not link G1-based ''Power of the Primes'' Landmine / Alpha Trion to Aligned Alpha Trion, who pioneered the concept. As for ''Shattered Glass'' Alpha Trion, he can just use a sub-page as is the case with ''Shattered Glass'' Primus and Unicron. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:14, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

Anyone? No one wants to comment further? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:41, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
:I'm obviously still in favour. (And, you know, Trion WAS a multiversal singularity for a bit.) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:01, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
::So are we doing this? [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:52, 2 July 2018 (EDT)
:::I'm against it. They're not literally the same individual, so they should have separate pages just like anyone else. [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 21:07, 2 July 2018 (EDT)
I don't think we can really do anything until we get more responses... BUT I ''am'' mentally disregarding any "nay" argument that doesn't address why Trion should be treated differently from Quintus or Amalgamous. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:24, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
:Well, I'm not sure if this means much, but you get my vote, for reasons stated by yourself. [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:30, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
:It seems to me that what we don't have is the opposite; a reason why Quintus and Amalgamous should be treated differently from Alpha Trion and any other never-was-a-singularity set of always-similar counterpart characters. [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 20:22, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
::Well, then, is this a "merge Trion or split Quintus" debate rather than a "merge or keep the same" debate? (Though, again, AVP established that Trion ''was'' briefly a singularity...) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 07:14, 4 July 2018 (EDT)
:::Ideally I'd favor the split, but neither change should be made without a clearer consensus than seems likely. What I am saying is that ''if'' anything is to be changed, splitting Quintus makes more sense than merging Alpha Trion.
:::Merging the Alpha Trions on the basis of timey-wimey weirdness from when the Shroud was in-progress would be barely any more justifiable than merging Megatron with Cy-Kill because of Echoes and Fragments, and we're obviously never doing that.
:::And any argument against the significance of being a singularity is, to me, inherently an argument for more splitting rather than more merging. [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 16:29, 4 July 2018 (EDT)

== Create a list of 3rd party products. ==

There are a lot of third party products that are better than the official products such as Alien Attack Dino or Unique toys Peru Kill Lockdown, but we don't have a list of those.If you go to Dino page in the section of toys you only find the official ones (Hasbro and Takara) but why don't we put also Alien Attack Dino. It´s just a suggestion and this will help to expand the wiki. [[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 17:00, 17 January 2018 (EST)Crosshairs
:TFWiki is a wiki about official Transformers products and media, and 'third party' toys aren't official. We have [[IP infringing item|an article]] to cover the ''phenomenon'', as we do many other TF-related fandom concepts like [[fan fiction]] or [[toy swapping]], but TFWiki will never, ever document 'third party' toys in the way we do official ones. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 17:01, 17 January 2018 (EST)
:: In fact, we have TWO [[knockoff|articles]] examining the phenomenon at a broader level, but this wiki's focus always has been and always will be on official material. If you really want to look for examples, there's plenty of links on the Knockoff page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:15, 17 January 2018 (EST)

== Optimus vs. Malignus cardart ==

I previously posted this in the holy grails talk page, but since not many people are going to check that out, I'm reposting it here. Anyways, [[:Image:CarreraCardArt.JPG|is this what you're looking for?]] I found it in a TFW2005 thread about rare Transformers. If any of you have found it already, then sorry... [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 08:31, 23 January 2018 (EST)
:Unfortunately, it's the original art that's needed - the cards themselves are too low-quality. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:26, 23 January 2018 (EST)
::I'd still say that this is a worthwhile image to have. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:25, 23 January 2018 (EST)
:::Sometimes a low quality image is better than nothing at all! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 12:36, 23 January 2018 (EST)
::::As for the source of the image, [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/show-us-something-rare-from-g1-and-g2-only-and-we-rate-it-rare-or-not.222565/page-30#post-8043067 here it is]. Unfortunately, due to Photobucket now forcing its users to pay $399 yearly for third-party hosting, the image doesn't show up anymore. However, by viewing the source code using Internet Explorer, I managed to find the URL of the image. Although the image didn't display if I tried to view it on my PC, it managed to show up when I inputted the URL into my phone's browser! [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 13:42, 24 January 2018 (EST)

== POTP artwork ==

In my personal opinion, the artwork used for the ''Power of the Primes'' packaging is ''absolutely stunning'' How would you guys like it if some of them became the header images on their respective character pages? Personally, I think yes, but I would like your thoughts on it. If you agree, tell me which ones do you think should get the treatment. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 16:59, 19 February 2018 (EST)
:I think it's tricky because the PotP artwork, while really nice, is always a representation of that specific toy. In my opinion, a good mainpic should be a clear representation of the character that isn't tied to a particular toy or incarnation. That said, I think all five Terrorcons' mainpics would be better as the PotP images (especially Rippersnapper - why is his mainpic just his alt-mode?) and Windcharger and Tailgate's too (as his IDW incarnation has entirely overshadowed his Marvel G1 version, methinks). [[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 04:31, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::I agree with the whole clear representaion part of being a good mainpic. And for the Terrorcons, their art have all of them (except good ol' Rippy) ''only'' in their beast mode, so that doesn't work if you show discontent of having their at mode as their main pic (which could work cuz they are unique to the character). And how about Dreadwind, Darkwing, Firestar, and Moonracer? Their main pics seem ''too'' G1-esque in my opinion. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 09:44, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::"Characters often have multiple bodies, so the main image should generally be their original "real world" form, and as full-body as possible. " --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:50, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::POTP art shows the full-body. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:02, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::::But it is not of their original forms. Except for Slash. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:08, 20 February 2018 (EST)
Oh. Whoops. Didn't actually re-check the PotP artwork, so if it doesn't fix the alt-mode-only problem then there's no point. On a related note, I'm going to work on cropping proper-resolution Marvel profile artwork from Classics Vol. 8 to replace the fuzzy-looking ones we already have on here in the meantime. Do we have access to clean versions of the Legends game / collector card style artwork? Seems like another thing to look into. But yes, the Powermaster/Elita 1 etc mainpics that we have are the clearest representations of their designs I've seen. Just need better resolution, maybe.[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 10:36, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:Really? Dreadwind and Darkwing just have G1 boxart... ''that looks exactly'' like the G1 toy. Blocky and all. Moonracer and Firestar just have their G1 cartoon models. That doesn't really scream "a clear representation of the character that isn't tied to a particular toy or incarnation". [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 11:19, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::Doesn't matter because those aren't the guidelines. Those are Wadapan's opinions on what the guidelines should be. What I posted was taken directly from our [[Help:Example character article]].--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:26, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::With permission to change Dreadwind, Darkwing, Moonracer, Firestar, Tailgate, and/or Windcharger? [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 11:46, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::Considering that 1) there's only the three of us discussing this and 2) such replacement is against the guideline I quoted, the answer is no. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:58, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::::How is it against the guidelines? [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 12:05, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::::Because that artwork is based on the new toys and not on the character's actual first design.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:34, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::My bad, didn't realise we had such specific guidelines. Sorry to co-opt this thread, but I've uploaded the Classics version of [[Afterburner (G1)|Afterburner]]'s TFU profile art as an example for how the others would change. They all seem fuzzy and washed-out to me at the minute. My questions are:
:::*Do we want to include the vehicle mode? It's been done previously on some pages, but not on others.
:::*Do people actually prefer how the newer version looks?
:::--[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:14, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::Understood Khajida. I also didn't know we had such specific guidelines. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 14:47, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::Wadapan, the newer version definitely looks better, as for if we need vehicle mode, I'd say its not necessary, but I could be wrong. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 14:50, 20 February 2018 (EST)

== Listing the Thirteen ==

So, this is related to my Alpha Trion suggestion above, but I figured it's big enough to warrant its own section. In short: the way we present [[Thirteen#Members|the members of the Thirteen]] right now is kind of a mess. It gives the impression that the "Multiversal Thirteen" list is the "true" version and that Aligned and IDW are weird aberrations, rather than the CoP list being the "official Hasbro-approved Thirteen" and the AVP list being a bunch of names created in the knowledge that the concept was soon going to be disposed of altogether - and while that's technically the correct way to do things under the "everything is canon" principle, it's kind of unintuitive and difficult, so I think we should apply the "but some canon is more equal than others" policy. Similarly, it acts like the IDW Thirteen are different to the Aligned Thirteen, when they have the same lineup; certainly, they're less different than the IDW Pretenders to the Marvel Pretenders.

As such, I've created a mock-up of a [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Thirteen members|new version]] of the "Members" section of the Thirteen's page. My core intent was:
*Making clear that the Covenant Thirteen were the "official Thirteen" being used by Hasbro;
*Establishing that the Thirteenth Prime varies within uses of the Covenant Thirteen, but is always "special";
*Explaining that the true identities of the Multiversal Thirteen were ambiguous;
*Removing the redundant IDW list, which would be better served just explaining how the IDW Primes differ from the Covenant in the IDW fiction section.
*''Not'' removing any information that isn't covered elsewhere on the page.
Now, if we were to use this as the Alpha Trion pages are now, we would have to say that the "core" Thirteen contain either [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] or [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]], which is patently ridiculous... so I ''also'' created a sandbox for [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Alpha Trion|an overview page for Alpha Trion]], which - in the name of length - would link out to separate Generation 1 and Shattered Glass sub-pages as the [[Unicron]] page does. (I'd like to point out that Ask Vector Prime did [[Ask_Vector_Prime/Facebook_src#July_28.2C_2015|establish]] that, for a short time, Alpha Trion ''was'' a multiversal singularity.)

Thoughts? Feedback? Whether my proposal is used or not, I ''do'' feel very strongly that the current Thirteen page is sub-optimal, and so I'd like to hear other proposals as how to improve it. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:26, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
:From what I'm seeing so far of what you have done, I think that this will be better than the current setup, as the TFWiki is to inform, and tghis helps readers ease into the subject matter. While, I have nothing to add on, I can say this is a good idea with good execution. On another note, on your new Alpha Trion page is also good in my book. And one question, will we change the [[Template:Thirteen]] along with this? I presume 'yes', correct, because I see no reason why not? [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:41, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
:I disagree with your purpose(s), your reasoning, and your execution.
:(1) "Official Hasbro-approved Thirteen" is nonsense. We don't list things by "most prominent", we list them chronologically. And, chronologically, the Multiversal Thirteen was the only Thirteen that existed for eight years. I strongly disapprove of any organization scheme that says "''Oh, these guys were a thing once, but here's the more topically important guys you should be focusing on.''" This is for the same reason we don't put prominent fictions like IDW towards the top of pages, or put ''Revenge of the Fallen'' at the topic of the Fallen's fiction section, since waaaay more people saw the movie than ever read Dreamwave. The Thirteen, in particular, is such a confusing tale that laying things out chronologically helps explain how the concept unfolded.
:(2) The true identities of the Multiversal Thirteen are only ambiguous under the most technical and pedantic viewing of the information. We were given a list of Thirteen characters. It would be hampering the information we were given to "Well, technically..." it to death.
:(3) I agree with combining and generalizing the descriptions of the Aligned and IDW Thirteen.
:(4) I don't remotely understand how it's "unintuitive and difficult" to understand the difference between the Multiversal and Aligned lists, and why it requires us to make exceptions to the rules. Please explain that better. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:40, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
::Actually, Xaaron does make a good point. However, I think it is general consensus that the Thirteen page needs to be improved for reader's ease and organization sake. This is where I think the rest of your plans should fit in. [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:23, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
::It's funny that you bring up the Fallen, because he's a case where we ''do'' break our rules - his mainpic is of his ROTF design rather than his Dreamwave design, because it's ''so'' absurdly more notable. I don't really see how you can argue that the internally-created-by-Hasbro list of Thirteen that has been used in two TV shows, a major comic series and one of Hasbro's flagship toylines is somehow equally or less important than the list of Thirteen that was created by a licensee as a bit of fanwank and was used for a few Facebook posts. Like, it doesn't even compare. We ''do'' [[Help:Ignore_all_standards|ignore all standards]] in cases where it would make things clearer for the audience, and acting like the AVP Thirteen matter as much as the Covenant Thirteen does ''not'' make things clearer for the reader. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:37, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:::Actually, I'm not arguing that the Multiversal are more/equally important, I'm arguing that "importance" isn't relevant. But regardless, what about something completely different instead of preserving the current basic set-up? Something closer to the multi-universal Wreckers page?
:::Keep the conceptual history at the top to maintain a chronological explanation of the concept as it developed. Then include Wrecker-style membership lists at the top of each Fiction section for Multiversal (and subcategories), Aligned, IDW, etc.
:::These member lists could include minimal or no descriptions of the individual Thirteen so they can be stacked two or three columns across like the Wreckers. I feel descriptions of the Thirteen were more important when they had little to no outside fiction to draw upon. Now that they're their own characters with their own toys, etc., descriptions aren't needed.
:::Is that a compromise we can build from? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:14, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
::::Well, I certainly would want to keep the conceptual history in the first place - which is part of why I think we can afford to ''not'' put the member list in technical chronological order! I wouldn't be opposed to Wrecker-style membership lists in the fiction sections IN ADDITION to the general "Members" section, but I do feel like laying out who the "core Thirteen" are is... kind of important. I dunno, maybe you don't! --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:21, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:::::I don't. I really don't. I disagree with even referring to them as "the core Thirteen". I think you're confusing "now" with "core". There isn't a core Thirteen, in my mind, just a current Thirteen for whatever fiction you're following. The reason my mind went to the Wreckers page is, just because there are a "core" Wreckers (the seven toys from Marvel UK's first story) and "current" Wreckers (IDW's more expansive team), doesn't mean either get preference over the others on the Wiki page.
:::::And despite your insistence, even ''now'' Hasbro isn't sticking with a single "core Thirteen" list. They've already backed off from the Covenant, turning Optimus Prime into "The Arisen" for IDW. The Titans Return cartoon mentioned Sentinel Prime instead of following the Covenant. Even the Prime Master toys haven't managed to put out all 13 Thirteen. No version of the Thirteen listed by Hasbro since the Covenant of Primus has ''stuck'' with the CoP list perfectly.
:::::I know you feel people are over-emphasizing the AVP-listed Thirteen (which is ironic, considering your opinions during the AVP period). But I feel you are over-emphasizing the CoP Thirteen, when even Hasbro isn't following that list ''precisely''. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:02, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
::::::I feel like the "core Thirteen" ''are'' more cohesive than you're giving credit for. The Arisen and the POTP "whoever holds the Matrix" take are clearly reinterpretations of "Optimus as the Thirteenth"... and frankly, I think the mention of Sentinel is more a matter of poor research than indicative of Hasbro's feelings on the membership of the Thirteen. But, you know, we can't agree on everything. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:18, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:I do think that merging the Aligned and IDW sections is a good idea, as is making clear that they're the main "Hasbro approved" Thirteen. I think the "Multiverse" Thirteen should still have their own section separate from the "Other Members" section, I'm not sure what to name it though or whether it should go before or after the "Hasbro" Thirteen. I'm fairly neutral on the merging of Alpha Trion's pages, but if we do go through with that I think we should link out the Aligned section as a sub-page as well. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 05:51, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

Chiming in to digress and say I absolutely disagree with merging the Alpha Trions and think the idea of having the individuals have one article each regardless of continuity family was a terrible one. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:So, to be clear, you'd rather that, say, Vector Prime had separate "Vector Prime (Cybertron)", "Vector Prime (WFC)", "Vector Prime (G1)", and "Vector Prime (Transtech)" articles? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:19, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
::Yes. I don't really consider them different from any other character in this respect. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:32, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:::Huh, there is no way we can satisfy everyone, eh? and its hard to say whats best for the wiki as there aren't even enough people participating in the conversation to give an opinion. If you want my opinion, Riptide, I agree with the way you had it on the sandbox page, but that's just my opinion. I'm also on board for the Alpha Trion merge. If there's one thing I would change is to change 'Main members' and 'core members' to 'Current members,' as generally that is more clear-cut and to-the-point than 'core members.' [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 21:44, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
::::So what's our verdict, eh? [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 16:42, 26 April 2018 (EDT)

===A revised proposal===
So, I've taken the various bits of criticism into account, and [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Thirteen members|revised my proposal]] - now as a full page, rather than just the one section. It's now not using "core members" and "other members", instead listing the two most prominent lineups, Covenant and Multiverse (with the Covenant one going first because it was the first to be fully revealed), and THEN other members; and on top of that I've added Wreckers-style lists to each separate continuity, so that everyone can know at a glance which lineup is in which universe.

(Well, I used MOST of the criticisms. I didn't take Saix's into account because there's no way we're splitting Vector et al into a thousand separate pages.)

How do people feel about this one? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:17, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
:I like it. My only quibble is one I also have with the current set up: why are we not mentioning the [[Guiding Hand]] as a conceptual forerunner? Especially given how ALL 5 GH members have since been listed in one or another variant of the 13.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:32, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
::The Guiding Hand as a concept came into existence long after the Thirteen did. I'd be willing to bring them up in the conceptual history section, but I'll have to give it some thought as how to integrate it. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:36, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
:::Guess I got confused by the older style art. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:40, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
:::I like how you added the Guiding Hand. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:53, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

== Transformers Telephone ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLnGA-s3LR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWh_ZXmFyng
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5080655

I think I've found 3 of them: Convoy, Hound and Starscream. From what understood from these videos, they're introducing themselves. I hope this is useful

== HTTPS ==

This site is now available securely by putting https at the start of the URL thusly: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page

Please test and let me know if you run into any issues. At the moment the only one I know about is that some actions (saving an edit, using the random page function) will throw you back to the non-secure site, but once the non-secure site is redirecting to the secure one, that should be fixed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:51, 31 March 2018 (EDT)
:Will switch on redirecting some time in the next few days. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:24, 2 April 2018 (EDT)

== "Optimus Prime's involvement in the preceding events blah blah" ==

Do we honestly need those notes? They're an eyesore and telling readers they showed up in a coloring book adaptation isn't particularly illuminative. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:14, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
:Context? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:51, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
:It saves us from writing up multiple sections that are basically duplicates of each other. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:20, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
::We don't need or do that either? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:51, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
:::We don't do that because these notes take care of it. If we remove the notes, we would need to add fiction sections for these coloring books and such that would simply duplicate the existing movie section. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:24, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I mean, as petty as it seems to summarize coloring books, we really shouldn't start drawing lines in the sand as to what fiction is worthy of being documented and what is too small. Those notes in the G1 cartoon summary sections may look a little fugly, but they strike me as a decent compromise to include that info without having to give it its own section on some already bloated (Optimus Prime (G1)) pages. Plus, they're a little handy for reference since I know at a glance exactly where in the G1 cartoon summary section The Movie is, which conveniently bisects things when skimming, but that's just me. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 14:05, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
:::::Right. The whole goddamn '''''point''''' of the wiki is to link out to a breadth of relevant information. And part of that information is all the fictional outlets available, including coloring books, kids' storybooks, etc etc etc etc. Sometimes those outlets are simply recaps of stories from "larger" media, so, in the interest of saving space, the note. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:27, 6 April 2018 (EDT)

== OJ Simpson ==

Is it ok to make a Page on OJ Simpson, since he was on [[The Transformers Universal Studios Tour]] page? I'm like scared about this right now. [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 02:26, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
: He only really appeared in a single commercial that was BARELY Transformers related. I'd say follow the precedent set with Peyton Manning's Universal commercial during the Super Bowl and just use a Wikipedia redirect. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 02:51, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
:: Nobody wants a TFWiki article on The Juice more than I do, believe me. But I think Cyberlink is right (though I suppose [[Alex Karras]] gets a pass because the commercial he did was directly for Transformers and not just a promotion that incidentally included Transformers). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 10:55, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
:::I think you hit the nail right on the head there as to the criterion, Spengs.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:19, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
:::And I'm going to Hell for the joke I'm wanting to make about the 8-piece Family Pac he's holding in that photo.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:26, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
::::Thank you guys. I'm just relieved that this nightmare on the Juice is over. [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 17:27, 6 April 2018 (EDT)

== Links to the GoBots/IDW Hasbro sister wikis on the main page. ==

I've brought this up several times on the Allspark forums, but it never gets any traction there, so I'm bringing this here. We need to have links from the main page to the two others that isn't some "disambiguation" gimmick that changes every time you reload the page. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:30, 29 April 2018 (EDT)
:Seconded. There's currently only a 1 in 21 chance of people seeing either link in the disambig box, assuming they even look at it. They definitely need their own dedicated links. I might even suggest going so far as to add a box for them in the side bar, perhaps between the Toolbox and the Advertisement. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:47, 29 April 2018 (EDT)
::This isn't something that needs seconding, this is something that just needs to be done. I don't know why creating links to them wasn't one of the first things we did when the wikis were created, because as it is now, those wikis are basically unknown. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 08:52, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

== RID01/Car Robots names ==

I brought this up on the Allspark, but again, I'll bring it up here; our current write-ups for Legends and Unite Warriors stuff where RID 01 characters appear use the Japanese name, despite that going against our rules. The current justification-that Car Robots takes place in G1 unlike RID-doesn't really justify it, and as it is now, it just feels "weeaboo"-ish. Most of the western fandom that has any knowledge of RID01 is going to use the English names, and as it is now, it's just confusing. I do get things like Fire Convoy, Gigatron, and Brave Maximus being used, but we don't need Sky-Byte listed as "Gelshark". [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 08:57, 30 April 2018 (EDT)
:There is also the fact that for the Unite Warriors toyline, as Takara used the Japanese names in Katakana and the Hasbro names in Latin script, for Baldigus they kept the Car Robots names in both Katakana and Latin Script instead of using "Ruination" et al in Latin script. Same goes for the two Legends LG-EX Black Convoy toys using "Black Convoy" instead of "Scourge" in Latin script. Granted, Legends Gelshark did use "Sky-Byte" in Latin script, but two-to-one Car Robots character toys kept the Car Robots name, and that toy did come before Sakamoto really got going with his Car Robots Continuation plot.
:But the point is, the fact that the Japanese names were kept in Latin script for the Car Robots versions of the characters sounds to me like, from Takara's perspective, the English names of the Car Robots versions of the characters (the ones who exist in the same world as all of the Japanese G1 and Japanese Beast Era characters, as opposed to the RiD 2001 versions of the characters who occupy their own separate and unique reality) are their Japanese names.
:As for the "weeaboo" thing, to me, what would be weeaboo-ish would be to refer to the characters as "Faiyā Konboi", "Gigatoron", "Bureibu Makishimasu", etc., or even to write their names in raw Katakana ''instead'' of Latin script, and that is unquestionably annoying. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 10:50, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

== "First appearances" on IDW pages ==

As can be seen on "[[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1]]". Why did we stop doing this? It seems rather useful. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:26, 18 May 2018 (EDT)

== Multiple co-brandings in headings ==

Increasingly in recent years Hasbro has been lumping multiple (sub)line names together, mostly under the ''Generations'' mega-banner. Now I’m generally of the philosophy that multiple indented headings are not necessary in cases of only 1 applicable toy (line) like [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/toys]], [[Black Shadow (Victory)]], and [[Deathsaurus (Victory)]], but it occurred to me that unlike with the ''Prime Wars Trilogy'' most people probably have the mindset of ''Studio Series'' as its own thing first and not as a subset of ''Generations''. And since we already do indented headings for movieverse characters who are in a dozen size classes, I’ve tried labeling ''Studio Series'' in cases such as [[Megatron (Movie)/toys]], [[Jazz (Movie)]], and [[Grimlock (AOE)]] for easier user accessibility. What do y’all think of this approach? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:56, 27 May 2018 (EDT)
:I'm not the greatest fan because it breaks from our norm. I say either change all of the Generations' sections to include subline imprints, or don't. I'm just a little OCD about it, that's all. And I think you should've put this post up before you made all your changes. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 16:08, 27 May 2018 (EDT)

== Quidd ==

As some of you may know, Hasbro partnered with Quidd to make digital merchandise. How are we supposed to catalog this. Make a page for Quidd and put everything there? or add a digital merchandise section alongside the existing merchandise and toy sections that already exist. [[User:Victinoko|Victinoko]] ([[User talk:Victinoko|talk]]) 20:25, 3 June 2018 (EDT)
:I don't know that we need a separate section for digital merchandise. Just stick it with the other merchanidse for now. If it turns out there's a ton of it, we can look at splitting it out. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:21, 3 June 2018 (EDT)
::There already is a fair amount of Quidd merchandise. And there's more coming. But anyways, when we list them I think we should put the set it's in, the packs you can get them in, and how many coins it would cost to get those packs, and their set number. any other info would you need? also, would the format be

::Quidd

::(Set name here)

::(Figure name here)

::Info

::Like how we do figures, or would we put the set name in brackets next to the 3d Figure/sticker/card name? [[User:Victinoko|Victinoko]] ([[User talk:Victinoko|talk]]) 18:06, 4 June 2018 (EDT)

== Project Wonderful is shutting down. ==

https://www.projectwonderful.com/thanks.php

These are how we serve our ads, and so as of July 11, they won't be working anymore. Reprolabels has already reached out to me about it, and he's game with just paying us directly for the spot. We'll have to get in touch with TFsource for the skyscraper ad, and, uh, we'll have to figure out how to manage the money we're losing from the square ad that's been up for grabs. Get another regular advertiser locked in? I dunno.

We'll likely need folks who can get into the code for the main page template architecture or whatever, so we can do all this in the coming month.

HI.

--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 12:51, 11 June 2018 (EDT)
:I can make whatever changes to the skin are needed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:47, 11 June 2018 (EDT)
:Yay! I think the last time we touched the ad areas, Christine did it. It's been a while. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 17:59, 11 June 2018 (EDT)

== IDW first appearances on character pages ==

Why are these being added? Are similar additions going to be made for other continuities? They seem pretty useless and silly to me.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:06, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
:[[#"First appearances" on IDW pages|Well this is awkward.]] -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:09, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
::That proposal was for making notes about first appearances on the pages of the fiction, not the characters. I have no opinion on that. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:29, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

Anyhow, M Sipher stated in the Allspark discussion thread that given the tendency of IDW continuity to show characters out of chronological sequence, it would be useful to list first real world appearances. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 14:37, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

:It's been brought up on Twitter as a problem with "nerd wikis" in general to value in-universe event order over real-world reading/experience order to the Nth degree, often to the detriment of not-already-hugely-invested readers. While we do compare favorably to most (take note that Wookiepeedia wedges licensed video game events directly into a character's main timeline, like, ''right in the middle of the movie story''), something as simple as finding a character's first appearance in real-world reading order shouldn't be a chore requiring digging and multi-link jumping. ''Generally'' any given chunk of Transformers media's diagetic and real-world chronologies have lined up pretty well and it hasn't been much of an issue, as most of the prequel/backfills are spinoff media and we split those into their own subsections. But IDW, particularly after "phase two" started, '''''really''''' bounces around its own timeline; the example given was that Grimlock's IDW writeup starts with a material published four years after his first appearance.
:This seems like a thing the larger IDW character sections need, a simple "start here". Honestly we should probably take a look at the IDW-as-a-publisher/continuity pages and see about making the real-world publishing list a bit more easily-found/readable (it's kind of a morass of text). It's unlikely we'll need this for most of the fiction sections of character pages, since most fictions are relatively straightforward. But IDW is an exception. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:39, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
:Seems like that would be better served with an Appearances section with all entries in chronological release order. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 05:29, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

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== Voice Actors listed on separate episodes ==

Why don't we have voice actors listed on separate episodes? Also does anyone know if Transformers: Portal came out yet? [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 13:59, 7 November 2017 (EST)
:I don't think there's been a specific discussion, but since it's rare for characters to have different voice actors in different episodes, it would cause a lot of clutter for not a lot of gain. If someone wants to see who voiced a particular character, they can generally just go to the character's page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:57, 7 November 2017 (EST)
:[[Transformers: Portal|http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Portal]] Rudimentary since there is next to no coverage in English. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:55, 7 November 2017 (EST)
::Yeah, that's true. And regarding Transformers: Portal, they ''did'' actually start making episodes. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 19:06, 7 November 2017 (EST)

== Vote on "other versions of character" sections ==

So the "example versions" of these sections has been up for a while now with nothing being done about them, so we should probably decide one way or the other whether we're using them. I definitely feel very strongly that these sections at the bottoms of articles would be very positive for accessibility and people being able to quickly find other versions of the character that they've been reading about — after all, there's no real difference between [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]], [[Demolishor (WFC)|Demolishor]], and [[Demolisher]], and they are ''inarguably'' the same "character" in a way that [[Demolishor (ROTF)]] isn't. There's three options for what we can do:
* [[Slug (AOE)#Other continuities|Jalaguy's galleries]]
* [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)#See also|My "see also" bullet-lists]]
* Keep things as they are and just have users rely on the disambiguation pages
I vote for the bullet lists, since they're unobtrusive and can still be used when a character has no images available. [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/page-442#entry3619900 This Allspark post] by M Sipher sums up my feelings pretty well. Anyone else? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:39, 8 November 2017 (EST)
:I vote keep things as is. While the current system isn't perfect, I think this sort of disambiguation is best left to the...disambiguation pages. It is why they exist. Having a separate section for a DIFFERENT form of disambiguation at the bottom of the article opposing the regular disambiguation links at the top makes no sense to me. I think a better option would be to improve the "new user utility" of the existing disambig pages. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:38, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I say keep things the way it is. For the same reason Xaaron stated above. I think those "Other versions" sections should only be for characters with different spellings. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 15:49, 8 November 2017 (EST)
:I'd prefer to keep things as they are. If we have to go with one of those two though I prefer the bullet-lists for being less obtrusive. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 15:53, 8 November 2017 (EST)

:I think I would like the bullet list version if it was slightly more eyecatching, like in a template box of some sort:
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Wreck-Gar have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] Autobot from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] continuity family.
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:as a rough example. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:59, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::Ooh, ooh, yes, I like this. It fixes the one reservation I had with the bullet list, which was eye-catching-ness.
::And I maintain that disambiguation pages really don't severe the purpose that this proposal was originally intended for - helping the uninformed user find about other-continuity versions of the character they've just read about. The link to a disambiguation is very easily glossed over (who can honestly say that they read through every header note and template before beginning the intro paragraph?), and they're set up entirely for their primary purpose, which is getting you from the search box to the right article. If you want to find alt-universe versions of a character, you'd have to manually dig through the list to see which are actually the same guy and which are different guys with the same name. You could rework disambig pages, but that'd make them worse at their primary job. An end-of-article list of alt versions of the specific character hurts nobody and helps the uniformed reader sort through the morass to other content they'll be interested in. The way I see it, there's no downside. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:37, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I'd also like to quickly add that I solicited feedback on the proposal from TFWiki Tumblr followers a while back (on the basis that they're reasonably likely to be in the "got-into-TFs-relatively-recently" demographic that this is intended to help), and got plenty of "yeah, this would be helpful for me" feedback. The proposal ''will'' help people, and I don't see what ''harm'' it could possibly do, so...? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:55, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::Ooh. Yesyesyes to this. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:39, 8 November 2017 (EST)

:I like the idea of a shortcut it will save a little time. But it also may reduce traffic, because people won't look at other interesting pages in the disambiguation. The gallery is a little cluttered. In any case, I also made made my own version:

{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Wreck-Gar have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] Autobot from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] continuity family.
|header=You look familiar...
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:—[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 16:26, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I dig this one with the double Dinobots; we only need one, and the image is very immediately clear at that small size (well we could probably crop it tighter and brighten it a bit but still). I ABSOLUTELY think we should have this given the name-reassigning/changing that this franchise is nostrils-deep in that makes Disambig pages not terribly ideal for finding these kind of doppelgangers. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:00, 8 November 2017 (EST)

I like this idea of using a template. I've made my own that could be used for bigger charcters, while LiegeDecado's can be used for smaller characters. Just an idea though.
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Bumblebee have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], the yellow [[kid-appeal character]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], the voiceless yellow one-man franchise from the [[live-action film series]].
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], the yellow kid-appeal character from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.
|header=All too similar...
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[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 17:22, 8 November 2017 (EST)

Personally, I think that if we do this bullet point image, we should use the Crisis on Infinite Hot Rods image from RG1, as it probably best illustrates the concept we're dealing with here (maybe crop it a little bigger or something). It probably wouldn't ''hurt'' to link to the disambiguation at the bottom, either, something like this....

{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Bumblebee have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], the yellow [[kid-appeal character]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], the voiceless yellow one-man franchise from the [[live-action film series]].
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], the yellow kid-appeal character from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.
''For more information, see [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)]]''
|header=You look familiar...
|image_name=RG1 93 rodimii.jpg
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I strongly prefer the look of the gallery version. It's a perfect visual cap-off at the bottom of the page, it's attention-getting in a way that neither looks like clutter nor will be overwhelmed by large Notes sections, and it gives you a visual to compare all these different versions, which is information in itself.
The bullet template strikes me as very strange, showing unrelated character X alongside a list of versions of character Y. The images convey the information much more strikingly. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 01:45, 9 November 2017 (EST)

:Maybe we can do both?
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Alternate versions of Slug have appeared in other [[continuity family|continuity families]], including:
<gallery widths="100px" heights="150px">
File:Dinobot Hunt Slag.jpg|[[Slag (G1)|"Generation 1" Slag]]
File:TFAnimated Snarl.jpg|[[Snarl (Animated)|''Animated'' Snarl]]
File:FOC-Slugart.jpg|[[Slug (FOC)|''Fall of Cybertron'' Slug]]
File:Adventureart-Slug.jpg|[[Slug (Adventure)|''Adventure'' Slug]]
</gallery>
|header=You look familiar...
|image_name=RG1 93 rodimii.jpg
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:—[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 10:29, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::If we did it as a gallery in a template like this, the picture of the Rodimuses is unnecessary and it'd look much better without it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:47, 9 November 2017 (EST)
I still don't see the value doing these things in addition to the disambig pages, instead of improving the disambig pages to better convey the same information. Having both doesn't feel "new reader friendly". Having two different types of disambig for a character, in two different locations, makes it MORE likely a new reader will spot one and not the other, or not understand the difference between the two disambigs without greater study...which just isn't a good set-up to help them find info quickly and easily.
Why can't the disambig page just be renovated to list:
:--> Here's Slag (G1)
:-- --> Here's the characters based on Slag (regardless of name)
:--> Here's the other uses of Slag unrelated to Slag (G1)
And as a matter of aesthetics, I think using the same basic template for this that we use for when people screw up or something is missing is a bad idea too. When I see boxes like that on a page, I automatically think "stub" article, and my instinct is to do something to remove them. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:55, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::The problem with that approach is that it risks making the disambigs ''worse'' at their main job. If you ''are'' looking for Slag the rando nameslap guy, that's just made it a whole lot harder on the person. And since disambigs are geared around names, not characters, you'd end up with weird situations - under your approach, [[Hot Rod (disambiguation)]] and [[Rodimus (disambiguation)]] would basically end up being the same page twice. Disambigs are primarily a functional tool, they exist to act as a signpost to get people from point A to B. I would wager that almost nobody is clicking through to disambig pages from character pages, because that's not really what they're for, and they call no attention to themselves, an easily glossed-over link at the very top of the article. The point of this proposal is to facilitate wiki-walking and exploration, to be a "you might also be interested in" section. We ''could'' change disambigs to lean more in that direction, but that's gonna make disambigs poorer signposts. I just don't see what there is to lose here. Disambigs will still exist as the same name directories they always have. The person who, for some reason, is searching for Classics Mini-Con Thunderwing will still get there. But the person who just read about G1 Thunderwing and wonders if they've been in other continuities doesn't have to manually click through a list every Thunderwing to find out which ones are nameslaps and which ones aren't.
::I do agree that the template approach could do with a newer design to differentiate it from needs work templates though, that's a really good point. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:16, 9 November 2017 (EST)

::I see disambiguations most often when I'm searching for a character, and I usually end up clicking on a lot of links. But that's on purpose, an helps me explore. These menus would be a nice shortcut—it's sort of like narrowing down the dismbiguation to a similar set of characters. the disambigs are great, the template would just be adding on. Also, it may look like less of an error box if it has a white background. —[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 13:49, 9 November 2017 (EST)
The more images added to this thing, the uglier and clunkier it looks. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 13:58, 9 November 2017 (EST)
:Agreed. I think we should use the Rodimus one Repowers created. You know, the one with just text. It would take up less space, be less intrusive but create a shortcut for users trying to look for another version. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 15:29, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::I like that version as well, though with some formatting to ensure that a longer list doesn't wrap around the image (since that looks really ugly). -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:20, 9 November 2017 (EST)
:Also, not everyone who'd get one of these yet HAS an image, or one good enough to use. Aligned Wreck-Gar, for example. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:19, 10 November 2017 (EST)

[[User:TheLiegeDecado/Sandbox|I made a sandbox with a template, go ahead and edit it.]] —[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 17:27, 10 November 2017 (EST)

BUMP!
Anyone still interested in this? Someone removed the one from Slag (G1) along with some other edits. I have restored this gallery for now, but if we are going to do this we need to get it going. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:48, 16 May 2018 (EDT)

{{User:TheLiegeDecado/Sandbox
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|disambig=Wreck-Gar (disambiguation)
|body=
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] [[Autobot]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]], the worthless wreck/walking pile of garbage from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family]].}}

:How do people feel about this take? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:44, 16 May 2018 (EDT)
::Works for me, I suppose. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:28, 17 May 2018 (EDT)
Still opposed to the idea. Same reasons as last year. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 08:40, 17 May 2018 (EDT)

Thinking more on this, would it be better if it matched the other templates we have for navigating between similar articles?
{{chapters
|title=Versions of Wreck-Gar|style=1
|content=
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Generation 1]]
*[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Animated]]
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Aligned]]
For more information, see [[Wreck-Gar (disambiguation)]].
}} --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:53, 17 May 2018 (EDT)
:So, since Riptide thought to tell the AllSpark she was going to implement her version today unless anyone stopped her, I feel the need to do more than just re-sign my previous objection.
:Using two different, somewhat-overlapping versions of a disambiguation list is not intuitive for new visitors. Having the disambig link at top and this box at the bottom scatters information that should be all together in one place. Further, the difference between "Characters named Slag" and "Characters derived from the traditional Slag character template" is a very nuanced distinction that visitors won't immediately understand. I can easily see people finding one of the two disambigs and not the other, then getting confused when they're sure some other form of Slag exists but they're not finding it in ''that'' disambig (of 2). I mean...disambigs are an index. You don't have multiple competing indexes for the same resource.
:If people do insist on implementing this, though, I strongly suggest using a different template format than the one we use for stubs, warnings, and broken content. That template format is a '''''bad''''' thing when you see it anywhere else on this wiki. An informative resource link like a disambig should look different. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 17:10, 17 May 2018 (EDT)

:I don't like that a lot - it's not very eyecatching or informative - but it's better than nothing. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:06, 17 May 2018 (EDT)
::This is... well, it's not exactly furniture-shuffling, but it is buying furniture that we don't need. It's a solution that's looking for a problem. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:26, 17 May 2018 (EDT)
:::Just to clarify my position: I don't really see the need for these. I only restored the one that was removed as this discussion had not reached a clear conclusion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:38, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::I legit don't get the arguments against some implementation of this. It's an exploration-y "you might also be interested in" thing, not a technical index thing like disambiguation pages. I've had casual users saying "ooh, yes, that would be helpful" to me. Like I've said in the past, dismabigs are very bad at helping you find all the other continuities a character has appeared in, and making them better at that would make them worse at their main job of getting you to the right page after a search. I mean, geez, if suddenly a bunch of people turn up confused on talk pages we ''could'' undo it all again if we wanted. That being said, I do kinda agree with Xaaron's point about the template style. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 11:53, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::Okay, look at it this way. If I am reading an article about character named "Skrankotron (Hoodaddy)" and I see a link to "Skrankotron (disambiguation)" I would find it most likely that anything on that page is another version of this character. If I am really into Skrankotron I would click on it and follow the links to my hearts content. Yeah, this franchise sometimes has "name-drop" characters who are nothing like the "archetype", but they are few and far between and getting less common. If there are characters that are blatantly derived from the same archetype (like the Slag, Slug, Slog examples) put a big honking note on there like "Characters basically identical to Skrankotron have sometimes been called Skrilloplex or Sharomus Magnus" with links to those pages. I don't see why you would need a secondary disambig on each character page when the disambiguation pages should be doing this already. I do see the point of putting a "for similar characters see "Skrankotron (disambiguation)" link on Skrilloplex and Sharomus Magnus, though. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:29, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::[[Demolishor (disambiguation)|Demolishor]]. [[Scourge (disambiguation)|Scourge]]. [[Broadside (disambiguation)|Broadside]]. [[Knockout (disambiguation)|Knockout]]. There's plenty of characters whose names have been nameslapped multiple times, and it hurts nobody to add a little widget saying "hey, these are the name reuses (or differently-named characters) that ARE basically the same guy". I mean, Jalaguy literally ''asked'' the TFWiki Tumblr's followers - probably the best metric for polling casual viewers we've got - and got an overwhelmingly positive response. With that in mind, how can you say it wouldn't be useful for casual readers? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:55, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, chaotic disambigs like that are what inspired me back when I first brought up this proposal. Situations where there's a big list of name uses and the only way to work out which ones are versions of the character you're interested in is to manually click through to each article in turn. No harm in doing that legwork ahead of time for the curious user, surely? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 15:09, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::::My opinion, and what seems to be Khajidha's, isn't that we're against doing this ''at all''. It's about doing this separate from the existing disambig page, linked at opposite ends of an article. Isn't there a way to accommodate doing this form of disambig, but doing it ON the disambig page, like when we added the "Major Optimus Primes" image references? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:14, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::See, I don't see the point of ''that''. Like, what would that involve? A note on the disambig page that "only X, X and X are versions of X character"? Why put it there instead of on the page for, say, Prime Knock Out, so that someone reading about that character can see "oh, I've finished reading the information on Knock Out, but I see that he also appeared in G1 and Animated". --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:20, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::::::That's what the disambig pages already do, and specifically for Knock Out too. Are you concerned people won't find this information unless it's on the same page as the character's article? Because (correct me if I'm wrong), but it feels like we're arguing over the difference between "seeing it" and "clicking the disambig link and ''then'' seeing it". --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:42, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::::Yep, Xaaron, we are in agreement on all of that.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:01, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::::::::Listen, don't consider this a vote, but the disambiguation pages ''don't'' simply do that. They just contain a list of characters with the same name. Like I've got a video about Nemesis Prime dropping this weekend, right? So while doing my research I naturally checked the disambig page for him and his "evil twin" archetypes with different names. And on them, it says things like he "should not be confused with Scourge." Except - '''yes''', they absolutely '''should''' be confused with him, because they are the '''same thing''' that had it's name changed. All the disambigs do is disambiguate the ''name'' - they don't disambiguate the ''actual character''. "Sharpshot" ''should'' be confused with "Shrapnel." Hardshell ''should'' be confused with "Bombshell." Outback ''should'' be confused with "Fallback" because they're the ''same thing'', but instead they're thrown in at the end of the disambig page under "see also," set on the same level as "characters whose names sound a bit like this one" who they genuinely shouldn't be confused with. There is a distinction between "character" and "name" that the disambiguation pages are ''not'' making, and that's what this is intended to address. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 17:38, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::::::I feel like updating the disambig pages would be a better solution than creating a second disambig template that goes at the end of the article where most people wouldn't see it. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:56, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::::::::::I completely agree with Chris. And I completely agree with Dark T. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 18:01, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::I didn't see this until now but I agree that revamping the disambiguation pages in these cases would be a better solution. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 15:41, 28 May 2018 (EDT)

== Rename User ==

I was thinking about activating this extension since every so often it comes up that someone wants to change their username but can't. Does anyone have any objections? I'll ask in the thread on the AllSpark too, as soon as I can get the AllSpark to actually load (is it broken for anyone else?) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:52, 2 December 2017 (EST)
:It’s been broken for me almost all day (Also, been wanting change my name for a while) [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] ([[User talk:Jcbynum1|talk]]) 00:20, 3 December 2017 (EST)
::I'd be all for it; been trying to consolidate my usernames across most fandom-based platforms for a while now. I can't see the harm, especially if it's admin-initiated. [[User:Magaroja|Doc Chloroplast]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 11:03, 5 December 2017 (EST)

Just to clarify in case there's any confusion: the RenameUser extension won't allow users to rename themselves directly - rather they'll need to ask an admin to rename them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:23, 4 December 2017 (EST)

No reason not to allow this, is there? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 12:52, 7 December 2017 (EST)
:I say go for it. [[User:West james|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 17:22, 7 December 2017 (EST)
::I've just renamed Notirishman to test it and it looks like it worked perfectly, so thumbs up! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:14, 8 December 2017 (EST)

== Allspark Forums down ==
PSA to all interested: Alas, the Allspark's server is currently down and our server company doesn't do standard maintenance on weekends. You can try [http://temp.allspark.com/index.php?showtopic=2455 this temporary site] in the interim and check back on Monday to see if the site is back up. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:35, 3 December 2017 (EST)

== Is this the holy grail for Famicom How to Manga: Transformers Mystery of Convoy? ==

I have found this on TF RAW page:

[http://tfraw.blogspot.mx/p/mystery-of-convoy.html Famicom How to Manga: Transformers Mystery of Convoy at TF RAW]

Is this one of the items in the holy grail section?

[[User:EDDIE-X|EDDIE-X]] ([[User talk:EDDIE-X|talk]]) 20:29, 28 December 2017 (EST)

== Samoa Joe ==

Hi! I'd like to start a page for Samoa Joe (Nuufolau Joel Seanoa, voice of ''Power of the Primes'' Predaking), but I don't have clearance to do so. How can I get this clearance?

--[[User:TomServo88|TomServo88]] ([[User talk:TomServo88|talk]]) 16:21, 9 January 2018 (EST)
: Not necessary; someone beat you to it. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:28, 9 January 2018 (EST)

== Pete's Robot Convention 2018 ==

Should we consider customization class POTP Shattered Glass Swoop or Double Pretender Gears as official figures or not since Pete's Robot Convention isn't endorsed by HasTak? They are using HasTak and Funpub molds (whom the latter lost the license) so I am not so sure. So should we list them under toys or in the notes like Action Master G2 Breakdown? [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:26, 13 January 2018 (EST)
:Those are no different from any other unofficial fan customs repainted from official molds that we don't cover here. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 08:24, 14 January 2018 (EST)

== Downtime ==

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== Merging the Alpha Trion pages (or: "Grandpa Convergence") ==

Considering that the Hasbro position going forwards seems to be using "member of the Thirteen" as Alpha Trion's primary role, I propose that we apply the same standards to him as we do our other Thirteen articles and merge the various versions into a single page. Considering that we've already had a pre-Aligned source that claims that all Alpha Trions are basically the same, I think it's a good idea to bend our rules and consider them the same sort of "general archetype" as the Fallen, Prima, et al.

The two main issues I expect:
*"He has a ''Shattered Glass'' version, so it'd be silly to have him one one page!" - [[Unicron/Shattered Glass|So does Unicron]]. I figure we'd apply the same standards.
*"He was never a multiversal singularity!" - Neither were Amalgamous, Quintus or Alchemist, and we still combine their Aligned and IDW incarnations.

I'd also like to note that, as it stands, the [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] who is most notable for being one of the Thirteen doesn't get to have the Alpha Trion Prime Master on his page. Thoughts? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:26, 17 January 2018 (EST)
:If we need to have consistency, I think it's simpler to just apply our standard organization to the rest of the Thirteen and the gods instead of forcing G1 A3 into a format that basically ignores 30 years of his history. Optimus Prime is basically the same guy across families and sometimes one of the Thirteen, but we're not merging them all. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:56, 17 January 2018 (EST)
::Optimus's sitch is different in that he doesn't seem to be part of The Official List Of Thirteen, which is twelve dudes plus whatever a given piece of fiction wants the super special Thirteenth Prime to be. I don't think it'd be ignoring his history; the opening paragraph doesn't even have to mention his Thirteeniness, it can just say that he's one of the oldest living Cybertronians. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:46, 17 January 2018 (EST)

Having mulled this matter for some time, I have come around to Riptide’s position. Alpha Trion indeed has, on a relative scale, almost no variation in his characterization and design despite debuting long before multiversal singularities and continuing even afterwards. And as Riptide says, Hasbro blurring the lines between continuity families means that there is user-unfriendly thematic dissonance for us to not link G1-based ''Power of the Primes'' Landmine / Alpha Trion to Aligned Alpha Trion, who pioneered the concept. As for ''Shattered Glass'' Alpha Trion, he can just use a sub-page as is the case with ''Shattered Glass'' Primus and Unicron. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:14, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

Anyone? No one wants to comment further? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:41, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
:I'm obviously still in favour. (And, you know, Trion WAS a multiversal singularity for a bit.) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:01, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
::So are we doing this? [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:52, 2 July 2018 (EDT)
:::I'm against it. They're not literally the same individual, so they should have separate pages just like anyone else. [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 21:07, 2 July 2018 (EDT)
I don't think we can really do anything until we get more responses... BUT I ''am'' mentally disregarding any "nay" argument that doesn't address why Trion should be treated differently from Quintus or Amalgamous. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:24, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
:Well, I'm not sure if this means much, but you get my vote, for reasons stated by yourself. [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:30, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
:It seems to me that what we don't have is the opposite; a reason why Quintus and Amalgamous should be treated differently from Alpha Trion and any other never-was-a-singularity set of always-similar counterpart characters. [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 20:22, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
::Well, then, is this a "merge Trion or split Quintus" debate rather than a "merge or keep the same" debate? (Though, again, AVP established that Trion ''was'' briefly a singularity...) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 07:14, 4 July 2018 (EDT)
:::Ideally I'd favor the split, but neither change should be made without a clearer consensus than seems likely. What I am saying is that ''if'' anything is to be changed, splitting Quintus makes more sense than merging Alpha Trion.
Merging the Alpha Trions on the basis of timey-wimey weirdness from when the Shroud was in-progress would be barely any more justifiable than merging Megatron with Cy-Kill because of Echoes and Fragments, and we're obviously never doing that.
And any argument against the significance of being a singularity is, to me, inherently an argument for more splitting rather than more merging. [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 16:29, 4 July 2018 (EDT)

== Create a list of 3rd party products. ==

There are a lot of third party products that are better than the official products such as Alien Attack Dino or Unique toys Peru Kill Lockdown, but we don't have a list of those.If you go to Dino page in the section of toys you only find the official ones (Hasbro and Takara) but why don't we put also Alien Attack Dino. It´s just a suggestion and this will help to expand the wiki. [[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 17:00, 17 January 2018 (EST)Crosshairs
:TFWiki is a wiki about official Transformers products and media, and 'third party' toys aren't official. We have [[IP infringing item|an article]] to cover the ''phenomenon'', as we do many other TF-related fandom concepts like [[fan fiction]] or [[toy swapping]], but TFWiki will never, ever document 'third party' toys in the way we do official ones. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 17:01, 17 January 2018 (EST)
:: In fact, we have TWO [[knockoff|articles]] examining the phenomenon at a broader level, but this wiki's focus always has been and always will be on official material. If you really want to look for examples, there's plenty of links on the Knockoff page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:15, 17 January 2018 (EST)

== Optimus vs. Malignus cardart ==

I previously posted this in the holy grails talk page, but since not many people are going to check that out, I'm reposting it here. Anyways, [[:Image:CarreraCardArt.JPG|is this what you're looking for?]] I found it in a TFW2005 thread about rare Transformers. If any of you have found it already, then sorry... [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 08:31, 23 January 2018 (EST)
:Unfortunately, it's the original art that's needed - the cards themselves are too low-quality. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:26, 23 January 2018 (EST)
::I'd still say that this is a worthwhile image to have. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:25, 23 January 2018 (EST)
:::Sometimes a low quality image is better than nothing at all! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 12:36, 23 January 2018 (EST)
::::As for the source of the image, [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/show-us-something-rare-from-g1-and-g2-only-and-we-rate-it-rare-or-not.222565/page-30#post-8043067 here it is]. Unfortunately, due to Photobucket now forcing its users to pay $399 yearly for third-party hosting, the image doesn't show up anymore. However, by viewing the source code using Internet Explorer, I managed to find the URL of the image. Although the image didn't display if I tried to view it on my PC, it managed to show up when I inputted the URL into my phone's browser! [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 13:42, 24 January 2018 (EST)

== POTP artwork ==

In my personal opinion, the artwork used for the ''Power of the Primes'' packaging is ''absolutely stunning'' How would you guys like it if some of them became the header images on their respective character pages? Personally, I think yes, but I would like your thoughts on it. If you agree, tell me which ones do you think should get the treatment. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 16:59, 19 February 2018 (EST)
:I think it's tricky because the PotP artwork, while really nice, is always a representation of that specific toy. In my opinion, a good mainpic should be a clear representation of the character that isn't tied to a particular toy or incarnation. That said, I think all five Terrorcons' mainpics would be better as the PotP images (especially Rippersnapper - why is his mainpic just his alt-mode?) and Windcharger and Tailgate's too (as his IDW incarnation has entirely overshadowed his Marvel G1 version, methinks). [[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 04:31, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::I agree with the whole clear representaion part of being a good mainpic. And for the Terrorcons, their art have all of them (except good ol' Rippy) ''only'' in their beast mode, so that doesn't work if you show discontent of having their at mode as their main pic (which could work cuz they are unique to the character). And how about Dreadwind, Darkwing, Firestar, and Moonracer? Their main pics seem ''too'' G1-esque in my opinion. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 09:44, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::"Characters often have multiple bodies, so the main image should generally be their original "real world" form, and as full-body as possible. " --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:50, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::POTP art shows the full-body. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:02, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::::But it is not of their original forms. Except for Slash. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:08, 20 February 2018 (EST)
Oh. Whoops. Didn't actually re-check the PotP artwork, so if it doesn't fix the alt-mode-only problem then there's no point. On a related note, I'm going to work on cropping proper-resolution Marvel profile artwork from Classics Vol. 8 to replace the fuzzy-looking ones we already have on here in the meantime. Do we have access to clean versions of the Legends game / collector card style artwork? Seems like another thing to look into. But yes, the Powermaster/Elita 1 etc mainpics that we have are the clearest representations of their designs I've seen. Just need better resolution, maybe.[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 10:36, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:Really? Dreadwind and Darkwing just have G1 boxart... ''that looks exactly'' like the G1 toy. Blocky and all. Moonracer and Firestar just have their G1 cartoon models. That doesn't really scream "a clear representation of the character that isn't tied to a particular toy or incarnation". [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 11:19, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::Doesn't matter because those aren't the guidelines. Those are Wadapan's opinions on what the guidelines should be. What I posted was taken directly from our [[Help:Example character article]].--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:26, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::With permission to change Dreadwind, Darkwing, Moonracer, Firestar, Tailgate, and/or Windcharger? [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 11:46, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::Considering that 1) there's only the three of us discussing this and 2) such replacement is against the guideline I quoted, the answer is no. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:58, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::::How is it against the guidelines? [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 12:05, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::::Because that artwork is based on the new toys and not on the character's actual first design.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:34, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::My bad, didn't realise we had such specific guidelines. Sorry to co-opt this thread, but I've uploaded the Classics version of [[Afterburner (G1)|Afterburner]]'s TFU profile art as an example for how the others would change. They all seem fuzzy and washed-out to me at the minute. My questions are:
:::*Do we want to include the vehicle mode? It's been done previously on some pages, but not on others.
:::*Do people actually prefer how the newer version looks?
:::--[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:14, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::Understood Khajida. I also didn't know we had such specific guidelines. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 14:47, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::Wadapan, the newer version definitely looks better, as for if we need vehicle mode, I'd say its not necessary, but I could be wrong. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 14:50, 20 February 2018 (EST)

== Listing the Thirteen ==

So, this is related to my Alpha Trion suggestion above, but I figured it's big enough to warrant its own section. In short: the way we present [[Thirteen#Members|the members of the Thirteen]] right now is kind of a mess. It gives the impression that the "Multiversal Thirteen" list is the "true" version and that Aligned and IDW are weird aberrations, rather than the CoP list being the "official Hasbro-approved Thirteen" and the AVP list being a bunch of names created in the knowledge that the concept was soon going to be disposed of altogether - and while that's technically the correct way to do things under the "everything is canon" principle, it's kind of unintuitive and difficult, so I think we should apply the "but some canon is more equal than others" policy. Similarly, it acts like the IDW Thirteen are different to the Aligned Thirteen, when they have the same lineup; certainly, they're less different than the IDW Pretenders to the Marvel Pretenders.

As such, I've created a mock-up of a [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Thirteen members|new version]] of the "Members" section of the Thirteen's page. My core intent was:
*Making clear that the Covenant Thirteen were the "official Thirteen" being used by Hasbro;
*Establishing that the Thirteenth Prime varies within uses of the Covenant Thirteen, but is always "special";
*Explaining that the true identities of the Multiversal Thirteen were ambiguous;
*Removing the redundant IDW list, which would be better served just explaining how the IDW Primes differ from the Covenant in the IDW fiction section.
*''Not'' removing any information that isn't covered elsewhere on the page.
Now, if we were to use this as the Alpha Trion pages are now, we would have to say that the "core" Thirteen contain either [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] or [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]], which is patently ridiculous... so I ''also'' created a sandbox for [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Alpha Trion|an overview page for Alpha Trion]], which - in the name of length - would link out to separate Generation 1 and Shattered Glass sub-pages as the [[Unicron]] page does. (I'd like to point out that Ask Vector Prime did [[Ask_Vector_Prime/Facebook_src#July_28.2C_2015|establish]] that, for a short time, Alpha Trion ''was'' a multiversal singularity.)

Thoughts? Feedback? Whether my proposal is used or not, I ''do'' feel very strongly that the current Thirteen page is sub-optimal, and so I'd like to hear other proposals as how to improve it. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:26, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
:From what I'm seeing so far of what you have done, I think that this will be better than the current setup, as the TFWiki is to inform, and tghis helps readers ease into the subject matter. While, I have nothing to add on, I can say this is a good idea with good execution. On another note, on your new Alpha Trion page is also good in my book. And one question, will we change the [[Template:Thirteen]] along with this? I presume 'yes', correct, because I see no reason why not? [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:41, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
:I disagree with your purpose(s), your reasoning, and your execution.
:(1) "Official Hasbro-approved Thirteen" is nonsense. We don't list things by "most prominent", we list them chronologically. And, chronologically, the Multiversal Thirteen was the only Thirteen that existed for eight years. I strongly disapprove of any organization scheme that says "''Oh, these guys were a thing once, but here's the more topically important guys you should be focusing on.''" This is for the same reason we don't put prominent fictions like IDW towards the top of pages, or put ''Revenge of the Fallen'' at the topic of the Fallen's fiction section, since waaaay more people saw the movie than ever read Dreamwave. The Thirteen, in particular, is such a confusing tale that laying things out chronologically helps explain how the concept unfolded.
:(2) The true identities of the Multiversal Thirteen are only ambiguous under the most technical and pedantic viewing of the information. We were given a list of Thirteen characters. It would be hampering the information we were given to "Well, technically..." it to death.
:(3) I agree with combining and generalizing the descriptions of the Aligned and IDW Thirteen.
:(4) I don't remotely understand how it's "unintuitive and difficult" to understand the difference between the Multiversal and Aligned lists, and why it requires us to make exceptions to the rules. Please explain that better. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:40, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
::Actually, Xaaron does make a good point. However, I think it is general consensus that the Thirteen page needs to be improved for reader's ease and organization sake. This is where I think the rest of your plans should fit in. [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:23, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
::It's funny that you bring up the Fallen, because he's a case where we ''do'' break our rules - his mainpic is of his ROTF design rather than his Dreamwave design, because it's ''so'' absurdly more notable. I don't really see how you can argue that the internally-created-by-Hasbro list of Thirteen that has been used in two TV shows, a major comic series and one of Hasbro's flagship toylines is somehow equally or less important than the list of Thirteen that was created by a licensee as a bit of fanwank and was used for a few Facebook posts. Like, it doesn't even compare. We ''do'' [[Help:Ignore_all_standards|ignore all standards]] in cases where it would make things clearer for the audience, and acting like the AVP Thirteen matter as much as the Covenant Thirteen does ''not'' make things clearer for the reader. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:37, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:::Actually, I'm not arguing that the Multiversal are more/equally important, I'm arguing that "importance" isn't relevant. But regardless, what about something completely different instead of preserving the current basic set-up? Something closer to the multi-universal Wreckers page?
:::Keep the conceptual history at the top to maintain a chronological explanation of the concept as it developed. Then include Wrecker-style membership lists at the top of each Fiction section for Multiversal (and subcategories), Aligned, IDW, etc.
:::These member lists could include minimal or no descriptions of the individual Thirteen so they can be stacked two or three columns across like the Wreckers. I feel descriptions of the Thirteen were more important when they had little to no outside fiction to draw upon. Now that they're their own characters with their own toys, etc., descriptions aren't needed.
:::Is that a compromise we can build from? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:14, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
::::Well, I certainly would want to keep the conceptual history in the first place - which is part of why I think we can afford to ''not'' put the member list in technical chronological order! I wouldn't be opposed to Wrecker-style membership lists in the fiction sections IN ADDITION to the general "Members" section, but I do feel like laying out who the "core Thirteen" are is... kind of important. I dunno, maybe you don't! --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:21, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:::::I don't. I really don't. I disagree with even referring to them as "the core Thirteen". I think you're confusing "now" with "core". There isn't a core Thirteen, in my mind, just a current Thirteen for whatever fiction you're following. The reason my mind went to the Wreckers page is, just because there are a "core" Wreckers (the seven toys from Marvel UK's first story) and "current" Wreckers (IDW's more expansive team), doesn't mean either get preference over the others on the Wiki page.
:::::And despite your insistence, even ''now'' Hasbro isn't sticking with a single "core Thirteen" list. They've already backed off from the Covenant, turning Optimus Prime into "The Arisen" for IDW. The Titans Return cartoon mentioned Sentinel Prime instead of following the Covenant. Even the Prime Master toys haven't managed to put out all 13 Thirteen. No version of the Thirteen listed by Hasbro since the Covenant of Primus has ''stuck'' with the CoP list perfectly.
:::::I know you feel people are over-emphasizing the AVP-listed Thirteen (which is ironic, considering your opinions during the AVP period). But I feel you are over-emphasizing the CoP Thirteen, when even Hasbro isn't following that list ''precisely''. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:02, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
::::::I feel like the "core Thirteen" ''are'' more cohesive than you're giving credit for. The Arisen and the POTP "whoever holds the Matrix" take are clearly reinterpretations of "Optimus as the Thirteenth"... and frankly, I think the mention of Sentinel is more a matter of poor research than indicative of Hasbro's feelings on the membership of the Thirteen. But, you know, we can't agree on everything. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:18, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:I do think that merging the Aligned and IDW sections is a good idea, as is making clear that they're the main "Hasbro approved" Thirteen. I think the "Multiverse" Thirteen should still have their own section separate from the "Other Members" section, I'm not sure what to name it though or whether it should go before or after the "Hasbro" Thirteen. I'm fairly neutral on the merging of Alpha Trion's pages, but if we do go through with that I think we should link out the Aligned section as a sub-page as well. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 05:51, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

Chiming in to digress and say I absolutely disagree with merging the Alpha Trions and think the idea of having the individuals have one article each regardless of continuity family was a terrible one. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:So, to be clear, you'd rather that, say, Vector Prime had separate "Vector Prime (Cybertron)", "Vector Prime (WFC)", "Vector Prime (G1)", and "Vector Prime (Transtech)" articles? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:19, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
::Yes. I don't really consider them different from any other character in this respect. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:32, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:::Huh, there is no way we can satisfy everyone, eh? and its hard to say whats best for the wiki as there aren't even enough people participating in the conversation to give an opinion. If you want my opinion, Riptide, I agree with the way you had it on the sandbox page, but that's just my opinion. I'm also on board for the Alpha Trion merge. If there's one thing I would change is to change 'Main members' and 'core members' to 'Current members,' as generally that is more clear-cut and to-the-point than 'core members.' [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 21:44, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
::::So what's our verdict, eh? [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 16:42, 26 April 2018 (EDT)

===A revised proposal===
So, I've taken the various bits of criticism into account, and [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Thirteen members|revised my proposal]] - now as a full page, rather than just the one section. It's now not using "core members" and "other members", instead listing the two most prominent lineups, Covenant and Multiverse (with the Covenant one going first because it was the first to be fully revealed), and THEN other members; and on top of that I've added Wreckers-style lists to each separate continuity, so that everyone can know at a glance which lineup is in which universe.

(Well, I used MOST of the criticisms. I didn't take Saix's into account because there's no way we're splitting Vector et al into a thousand separate pages.)

How do people feel about this one? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:17, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
:I like it. My only quibble is one I also have with the current set up: why are we not mentioning the [[Guiding Hand]] as a conceptual forerunner? Especially given how ALL 5 GH members have since been listed in one or another variant of the 13.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:32, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
::The Guiding Hand as a concept came into existence long after the Thirteen did. I'd be willing to bring them up in the conceptual history section, but I'll have to give it some thought as how to integrate it. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:36, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
:::Guess I got confused by the older style art. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:40, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
:::I like how you added the Guiding Hand. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:53, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

== Transformers Telephone ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLnGA-s3LR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWh_ZXmFyng
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5080655

I think I've found 3 of them: Convoy, Hound and Starscream. From what understood from these videos, they're introducing themselves. I hope this is useful

== HTTPS ==

This site is now available securely by putting https at the start of the URL thusly: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page

Please test and let me know if you run into any issues. At the moment the only one I know about is that some actions (saving an edit, using the random page function) will throw you back to the non-secure site, but once the non-secure site is redirecting to the secure one, that should be fixed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:51, 31 March 2018 (EDT)
:Will switch on redirecting some time in the next few days. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:24, 2 April 2018 (EDT)

== "Optimus Prime's involvement in the preceding events blah blah" ==

Do we honestly need those notes? They're an eyesore and telling readers they showed up in a coloring book adaptation isn't particularly illuminative. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:14, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
:Context? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:51, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
:It saves us from writing up multiple sections that are basically duplicates of each other. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:20, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
::We don't need or do that either? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:51, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
:::We don't do that because these notes take care of it. If we remove the notes, we would need to add fiction sections for these coloring books and such that would simply duplicate the existing movie section. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:24, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I mean, as petty as it seems to summarize coloring books, we really shouldn't start drawing lines in the sand as to what fiction is worthy of being documented and what is too small. Those notes in the G1 cartoon summary sections may look a little fugly, but they strike me as a decent compromise to include that info without having to give it its own section on some already bloated (Optimus Prime (G1)) pages. Plus, they're a little handy for reference since I know at a glance exactly where in the G1 cartoon summary section The Movie is, which conveniently bisects things when skimming, but that's just me. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 14:05, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
:::::Right. The whole goddamn '''''point''''' of the wiki is to link out to a breadth of relevant information. And part of that information is all the fictional outlets available, including coloring books, kids' storybooks, etc etc etc etc. Sometimes those outlets are simply recaps of stories from "larger" media, so, in the interest of saving space, the note. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:27, 6 April 2018 (EDT)

== OJ Simpson ==

Is it ok to make a Page on OJ Simpson, since he was on [[The Transformers Universal Studios Tour]] page? I'm like scared about this right now. [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 02:26, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
: He only really appeared in a single commercial that was BARELY Transformers related. I'd say follow the precedent set with Peyton Manning's Universal commercial during the Super Bowl and just use a Wikipedia redirect. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 02:51, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
:: Nobody wants a TFWiki article on The Juice more than I do, believe me. But I think Cyberlink is right (though I suppose [[Alex Karras]] gets a pass because the commercial he did was directly for Transformers and not just a promotion that incidentally included Transformers). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 10:55, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
:::I think you hit the nail right on the head there as to the criterion, Spengs.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:19, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
:::And I'm going to Hell for the joke I'm wanting to make about the 8-piece Family Pac he's holding in that photo.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:26, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
::::Thank you guys. I'm just relieved that this nightmare on the Juice is over. [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 17:27, 6 April 2018 (EDT)

== Links to the GoBots/IDW Hasbro sister wikis on the main page. ==

I've brought this up several times on the Allspark forums, but it never gets any traction there, so I'm bringing this here. We need to have links from the main page to the two others that isn't some "disambiguation" gimmick that changes every time you reload the page. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:30, 29 April 2018 (EDT)
:Seconded. There's currently only a 1 in 21 chance of people seeing either link in the disambig box, assuming they even look at it. They definitely need their own dedicated links. I might even suggest going so far as to add a box for them in the side bar, perhaps between the Toolbox and the Advertisement. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:47, 29 April 2018 (EDT)
::This isn't something that needs seconding, this is something that just needs to be done. I don't know why creating links to them wasn't one of the first things we did when the wikis were created, because as it is now, those wikis are basically unknown. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 08:52, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

== RID01/Car Robots names ==

I brought this up on the Allspark, but again, I'll bring it up here; our current write-ups for Legends and Unite Warriors stuff where RID 01 characters appear use the Japanese name, despite that going against our rules. The current justification-that Car Robots takes place in G1 unlike RID-doesn't really justify it, and as it is now, it just feels "weeaboo"-ish. Most of the western fandom that has any knowledge of RID01 is going to use the English names, and as it is now, it's just confusing. I do get things like Fire Convoy, Gigatron, and Brave Maximus being used, but we don't need Sky-Byte listed as "Gelshark". [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 08:57, 30 April 2018 (EDT)
:There is also the fact that for the Unite Warriors toyline, as Takara used the Japanese names in Katakana and the Hasbro names in Latin script, for Baldigus they kept the Car Robots names in both Katakana and Latin Script instead of using "Ruination" et al in Latin script. Same goes for the two Legends LG-EX Black Convoy toys using "Black Convoy" instead of "Scourge" in Latin script. Granted, Legends Gelshark did use "Sky-Byte" in Latin script, but two-to-one Car Robots character toys kept the Car Robots name, and that toy did come before Sakamoto really got going with his Car Robots Continuation plot.
:But the point is, the fact that the Japanese names were kept in Latin script for the Car Robots versions of the characters sounds to me like, from Takara's perspective, the English names of the Car Robots versions of the characters (the ones who exist in the same world as all of the Japanese G1 and Japanese Beast Era characters, as opposed to the RiD 2001 versions of the characters who occupy their own separate and unique reality) are their Japanese names.
:As for the "weeaboo" thing, to me, what would be weeaboo-ish would be to refer to the characters as "Faiyā Konboi", "Gigatoron", "Bureibu Makishimasu", etc., or even to write their names in raw Katakana ''instead'' of Latin script, and that is unquestionably annoying. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 10:50, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

== "First appearances" on IDW pages ==

As can be seen on "[[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1]]". Why did we stop doing this? It seems rather useful. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:26, 18 May 2018 (EDT)

== Multiple co-brandings in headings ==

Increasingly in recent years Hasbro has been lumping multiple (sub)line names together, mostly under the ''Generations'' mega-banner. Now I’m generally of the philosophy that multiple indented headings are not necessary in cases of only 1 applicable toy (line) like [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/toys]], [[Black Shadow (Victory)]], and [[Deathsaurus (Victory)]], but it occurred to me that unlike with the ''Prime Wars Trilogy'' most people probably have the mindset of ''Studio Series'' as its own thing first and not as a subset of ''Generations''. And since we already do indented headings for movieverse characters who are in a dozen size classes, I’ve tried labeling ''Studio Series'' in cases such as [[Megatron (Movie)/toys]], [[Jazz (Movie)]], and [[Grimlock (AOE)]] for easier user accessibility. What do y’all think of this approach? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:56, 27 May 2018 (EDT)
:I'm not the greatest fan because it breaks from our norm. I say either change all of the Generations' sections to include subline imprints, or don't. I'm just a little OCD about it, that's all. And I think you should've put this post up before you made all your changes. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 16:08, 27 May 2018 (EDT)

== Quidd ==

As some of you may know, Hasbro partnered with Quidd to make digital merchandise. How are we supposed to catalog this. Make a page for Quidd and put everything there? or add a digital merchandise section alongside the existing merchandise and toy sections that already exist. [[User:Victinoko|Victinoko]] ([[User talk:Victinoko|talk]]) 20:25, 3 June 2018 (EDT)
:I don't know that we need a separate section for digital merchandise. Just stick it with the other merchanidse for now. If it turns out there's a ton of it, we can look at splitting it out. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:21, 3 June 2018 (EDT)
::There already is a fair amount of Quidd merchandise. And there's more coming. But anyways, when we list them I think we should put the set it's in, the packs you can get them in, and how many coins it would cost to get those packs, and their set number. any other info would you need? also, would the format be

::Quidd

::(Set name here)

::(Figure name here)

::Info

::Like how we do figures, or would we put the set name in brackets next to the 3d Figure/sticker/card name? [[User:Victinoko|Victinoko]] ([[User talk:Victinoko|talk]]) 18:06, 4 June 2018 (EDT)

== Project Wonderful is shutting down. ==

https://www.projectwonderful.com/thanks.php

These are how we serve our ads, and so as of July 11, they won't be working anymore. Reprolabels has already reached out to me about it, and he's game with just paying us directly for the spot. We'll have to get in touch with TFsource for the skyscraper ad, and, uh, we'll have to figure out how to manage the money we're losing from the square ad that's been up for grabs. Get another regular advertiser locked in? I dunno.

We'll likely need folks who can get into the code for the main page template architecture or whatever, so we can do all this in the coming month.

HI.

--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 12:51, 11 June 2018 (EDT)
:I can make whatever changes to the skin are needed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:47, 11 June 2018 (EDT)
:Yay! I think the last time we touched the ad areas, Christine did it. It's been a while. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 17:59, 11 June 2018 (EDT)

== IDW first appearances on character pages ==

Why are these being added? Are similar additions going to be made for other continuities? They seem pretty useless and silly to me.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:06, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
:[[#"First appearances" on IDW pages|Well this is awkward.]] -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:09, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
::That proposal was for making notes about first appearances on the pages of the fiction, not the characters. I have no opinion on that. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:29, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

Anyhow, M Sipher stated in the Allspark discussion thread that given the tendency of IDW continuity to show characters out of chronological sequence, it would be useful to list first real world appearances. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 14:37, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

:It's been brought up on Twitter as a problem with "nerd wikis" in general to value in-universe event order over real-world reading/experience order to the Nth degree, often to the detriment of not-already-hugely-invested readers. While we do compare favorably to most (take note that Wookiepeedia wedges licensed video game events directly into a character's main timeline, like, ''right in the middle of the movie story''), something as simple as finding a character's first appearance in real-world reading order shouldn't be a chore requiring digging and multi-link jumping. ''Generally'' any given chunk of Transformers media's diagetic and real-world chronologies have lined up pretty well and it hasn't been much of an issue, as most of the prequel/backfills are spinoff media and we split those into their own subsections. But IDW, particularly after "phase two" started, '''''really''''' bounces around its own timeline; the example given was that Grimlock's IDW writeup starts with a material published four years after his first appearance.
:This seems like a thing the larger IDW character sections need, a simple "start here". Honestly we should probably take a look at the IDW-as-a-publisher/continuity pages and see about making the real-world publishing list a bit more easily-found/readable (it's kind of a morass of text). It's unlikely we'll need this for most of the fiction sections of character pages, since most fictions are relatively straightforward. But IDW is an exception. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:39, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
:Seems like that would be better served with an Appearances section with all entries in chronological release order. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 05:29, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

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== Voice Actors listed on separate episodes ==

Why don't we have voice actors listed on separate episodes? Also does anyone know if Transformers: Portal came out yet? [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 13:59, 7 November 2017 (EST)
:I don't think there's been a specific discussion, but since it's rare for characters to have different voice actors in different episodes, it would cause a lot of clutter for not a lot of gain. If someone wants to see who voiced a particular character, they can generally just go to the character's page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:57, 7 November 2017 (EST)
:[[Transformers: Portal|http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Portal]] Rudimentary since there is next to no coverage in English. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:55, 7 November 2017 (EST)
::Yeah, that's true. And regarding Transformers: Portal, they ''did'' actually start making episodes. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 19:06, 7 November 2017 (EST)

== Vote on "other versions of character" sections ==

So the "example versions" of these sections has been up for a while now with nothing being done about them, so we should probably decide one way or the other whether we're using them. I definitely feel very strongly that these sections at the bottoms of articles would be very positive for accessibility and people being able to quickly find other versions of the character that they've been reading about — after all, there's no real difference between [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]], [[Demolishor (WFC)|Demolishor]], and [[Demolisher]], and they are ''inarguably'' the same "character" in a way that [[Demolishor (ROTF)]] isn't. There's three options for what we can do:
* [[Slug (AOE)#Other continuities|Jalaguy's galleries]]
* [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)#See also|My "see also" bullet-lists]]
* Keep things as they are and just have users rely on the disambiguation pages
I vote for the bullet lists, since they're unobtrusive and can still be used when a character has no images available. [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/page-442#entry3619900 This Allspark post] by M Sipher sums up my feelings pretty well. Anyone else? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:39, 8 November 2017 (EST)
:I vote keep things as is. While the current system isn't perfect, I think this sort of disambiguation is best left to the...disambiguation pages. It is why they exist. Having a separate section for a DIFFERENT form of disambiguation at the bottom of the article opposing the regular disambiguation links at the top makes no sense to me. I think a better option would be to improve the "new user utility" of the existing disambig pages. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:38, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I say keep things the way it is. For the same reason Xaaron stated above. I think those "Other versions" sections should only be for characters with different spellings. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 15:49, 8 November 2017 (EST)
:I'd prefer to keep things as they are. If we have to go with one of those two though I prefer the bullet-lists for being less obtrusive. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 15:53, 8 November 2017 (EST)

:I think I would like the bullet list version if it was slightly more eyecatching, like in a template box of some sort:
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Wreck-Gar have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] Autobot from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] continuity family.
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:as a rough example. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:59, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::Ooh, ooh, yes, I like this. It fixes the one reservation I had with the bullet list, which was eye-catching-ness.
::And I maintain that disambiguation pages really don't severe the purpose that this proposal was originally intended for - helping the uninformed user find about other-continuity versions of the character they've just read about. The link to a disambiguation is very easily glossed over (who can honestly say that they read through every header note and template before beginning the intro paragraph?), and they're set up entirely for their primary purpose, which is getting you from the search box to the right article. If you want to find alt-universe versions of a character, you'd have to manually dig through the list to see which are actually the same guy and which are different guys with the same name. You could rework disambig pages, but that'd make them worse at their primary job. An end-of-article list of alt versions of the specific character hurts nobody and helps the uniformed reader sort through the morass to other content they'll be interested in. The way I see it, there's no downside. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:37, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I'd also like to quickly add that I solicited feedback on the proposal from TFWiki Tumblr followers a while back (on the basis that they're reasonably likely to be in the "got-into-TFs-relatively-recently" demographic that this is intended to help), and got plenty of "yeah, this would be helpful for me" feedback. The proposal ''will'' help people, and I don't see what ''harm'' it could possibly do, so...? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:55, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::Ooh. Yesyesyes to this. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:39, 8 November 2017 (EST)

:I like the idea of a shortcut it will save a little time. But it also may reduce traffic, because people won't look at other interesting pages in the disambiguation. The gallery is a little cluttered. In any case, I also made made my own version:

{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Wreck-Gar have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] Autobot from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] continuity family.
|header=You look familiar...
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:—[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 16:26, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I dig this one with the double Dinobots; we only need one, and the image is very immediately clear at that small size (well we could probably crop it tighter and brighten it a bit but still). I ABSOLUTELY think we should have this given the name-reassigning/changing that this franchise is nostrils-deep in that makes Disambig pages not terribly ideal for finding these kind of doppelgangers. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:00, 8 November 2017 (EST)

I like this idea of using a template. I've made my own that could be used for bigger charcters, while LiegeDecado's can be used for smaller characters. Just an idea though.
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Bumblebee have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], the yellow [[kid-appeal character]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], the voiceless yellow one-man franchise from the [[live-action film series]].
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], the yellow kid-appeal character from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.
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[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 17:22, 8 November 2017 (EST)

Personally, I think that if we do this bullet point image, we should use the Crisis on Infinite Hot Rods image from RG1, as it probably best illustrates the concept we're dealing with here (maybe crop it a little bigger or something). It probably wouldn't ''hurt'' to link to the disambiguation at the bottom, either, something like this....

{{Messagebox|
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*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], the yellow [[kid-appeal character]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], the voiceless yellow one-man franchise from the [[live-action film series]].
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], the yellow kid-appeal character from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.
''For more information, see [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)]]''
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I strongly prefer the look of the gallery version. It's a perfect visual cap-off at the bottom of the page, it's attention-getting in a way that neither looks like clutter nor will be overwhelmed by large Notes sections, and it gives you a visual to compare all these different versions, which is information in itself.
The bullet template strikes me as very strange, showing unrelated character X alongside a list of versions of character Y. The images convey the information much more strikingly. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 01:45, 9 November 2017 (EST)

:Maybe we can do both?
{{Messagebox|
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<gallery widths="100px" heights="150px">
File:Dinobot Hunt Slag.jpg|[[Slag (G1)|"Generation 1" Slag]]
File:TFAnimated Snarl.jpg|[[Snarl (Animated)|''Animated'' Snarl]]
File:FOC-Slugart.jpg|[[Slug (FOC)|''Fall of Cybertron'' Slug]]
File:Adventureart-Slug.jpg|[[Slug (Adventure)|''Adventure'' Slug]]
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:—[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 10:29, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::If we did it as a gallery in a template like this, the picture of the Rodimuses is unnecessary and it'd look much better without it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:47, 9 November 2017 (EST)
I still don't see the value doing these things in addition to the disambig pages, instead of improving the disambig pages to better convey the same information. Having both doesn't feel "new reader friendly". Having two different types of disambig for a character, in two different locations, makes it MORE likely a new reader will spot one and not the other, or not understand the difference between the two disambigs without greater study...which just isn't a good set-up to help them find info quickly and easily.
Why can't the disambig page just be renovated to list:
:--> Here's Slag (G1)
:-- --> Here's the characters based on Slag (regardless of name)
:--> Here's the other uses of Slag unrelated to Slag (G1)
And as a matter of aesthetics, I think using the same basic template for this that we use for when people screw up or something is missing is a bad idea too. When I see boxes like that on a page, I automatically think "stub" article, and my instinct is to do something to remove them. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:55, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::The problem with that approach is that it risks making the disambigs ''worse'' at their main job. If you ''are'' looking for Slag the rando nameslap guy, that's just made it a whole lot harder on the person. And since disambigs are geared around names, not characters, you'd end up with weird situations - under your approach, [[Hot Rod (disambiguation)]] and [[Rodimus (disambiguation)]] would basically end up being the same page twice. Disambigs are primarily a functional tool, they exist to act as a signpost to get people from point A to B. I would wager that almost nobody is clicking through to disambig pages from character pages, because that's not really what they're for, and they call no attention to themselves, an easily glossed-over link at the very top of the article. The point of this proposal is to facilitate wiki-walking and exploration, to be a "you might also be interested in" section. We ''could'' change disambigs to lean more in that direction, but that's gonna make disambigs poorer signposts. I just don't see what there is to lose here. Disambigs will still exist as the same name directories they always have. The person who, for some reason, is searching for Classics Mini-Con Thunderwing will still get there. But the person who just read about G1 Thunderwing and wonders if they've been in other continuities doesn't have to manually click through a list every Thunderwing to find out which ones are nameslaps and which ones aren't.
::I do agree that the template approach could do with a newer design to differentiate it from needs work templates though, that's a really good point. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:16, 9 November 2017 (EST)

::I see disambiguations most often when I'm searching for a character, and I usually end up clicking on a lot of links. But that's on purpose, an helps me explore. These menus would be a nice shortcut—it's sort of like narrowing down the dismbiguation to a similar set of characters. the disambigs are great, the template would just be adding on. Also, it may look like less of an error box if it has a white background. —[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 13:49, 9 November 2017 (EST)
The more images added to this thing, the uglier and clunkier it looks. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 13:58, 9 November 2017 (EST)
:Agreed. I think we should use the Rodimus one Repowers created. You know, the one with just text. It would take up less space, be less intrusive but create a shortcut for users trying to look for another version. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 15:29, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::I like that version as well, though with some formatting to ensure that a longer list doesn't wrap around the image (since that looks really ugly). -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:20, 9 November 2017 (EST)
:Also, not everyone who'd get one of these yet HAS an image, or one good enough to use. Aligned Wreck-Gar, for example. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:19, 10 November 2017 (EST)

[[User:TheLiegeDecado/Sandbox|I made a sandbox with a template, go ahead and edit it.]] —[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 17:27, 10 November 2017 (EST)

BUMP!
Anyone still interested in this? Someone removed the one from Slag (G1) along with some other edits. I have restored this gallery for now, but if we are going to do this we need to get it going. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:48, 16 May 2018 (EDT)

{{User:TheLiegeDecado/Sandbox
|charname=Wreck-Gar
|disambig=Wreck-Gar (disambiguation)
|body=
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] [[Autobot]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]], the worthless wreck/walking pile of garbage from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family]].}}

:How do people feel about this take? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:44, 16 May 2018 (EDT)
::Works for me, I suppose. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:28, 17 May 2018 (EDT)
Still opposed to the idea. Same reasons as last year. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 08:40, 17 May 2018 (EDT)

Thinking more on this, would it be better if it matched the other templates we have for navigating between similar articles?
{{chapters
|title=Versions of Wreck-Gar|style=1
|content=
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Generation 1]]
*[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Animated]]
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Aligned]]
For more information, see [[Wreck-Gar (disambiguation)]].
}} --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:53, 17 May 2018 (EDT)
:So, since Riptide thought to tell the AllSpark she was going to implement her version today unless anyone stopped her, I feel the need to do more than just re-sign my previous objection.
:Using two different, somewhat-overlapping versions of a disambiguation list is not intuitive for new visitors. Having the disambig link at top and this box at the bottom scatters information that should be all together in one place. Further, the difference between "Characters named Slag" and "Characters derived from the traditional Slag character template" is a very nuanced distinction that visitors won't immediately understand. I can easily see people finding one of the two disambigs and not the other, then getting confused when they're sure some other form of Slag exists but they're not finding it in ''that'' disambig (of 2). I mean...disambigs are an index. You don't have multiple competing indexes for the same resource.
:If people do insist on implementing this, though, I strongly suggest using a different template format than the one we use for stubs, warnings, and broken content. That template format is a '''''bad''''' thing when you see it anywhere else on this wiki. An informative resource link like a disambig should look different. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 17:10, 17 May 2018 (EDT)

:I don't like that a lot - it's not very eyecatching or informative - but it's better than nothing. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:06, 17 May 2018 (EDT)
::This is... well, it's not exactly furniture-shuffling, but it is buying furniture that we don't need. It's a solution that's looking for a problem. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:26, 17 May 2018 (EDT)
:::Just to clarify my position: I don't really see the need for these. I only restored the one that was removed as this discussion had not reached a clear conclusion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:38, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::I legit don't get the arguments against some implementation of this. It's an exploration-y "you might also be interested in" thing, not a technical index thing like disambiguation pages. I've had casual users saying "ooh, yes, that would be helpful" to me. Like I've said in the past, dismabigs are very bad at helping you find all the other continuities a character has appeared in, and making them better at that would make them worse at their main job of getting you to the right page after a search. I mean, geez, if suddenly a bunch of people turn up confused on talk pages we ''could'' undo it all again if we wanted. That being said, I do kinda agree with Xaaron's point about the template style. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 11:53, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::Okay, look at it this way. If I am reading an article about character named "Skrankotron (Hoodaddy)" and I see a link to "Skrankotron (disambiguation)" I would find it most likely that anything on that page is another version of this character. If I am really into Skrankotron I would click on it and follow the links to my hearts content. Yeah, this franchise sometimes has "name-drop" characters who are nothing like the "archetype", but they are few and far between and getting less common. If there are characters that are blatantly derived from the same archetype (like the Slag, Slug, Slog examples) put a big honking note on there like "Characters basically identical to Skrankotron have sometimes been called Skrilloplex or Sharomus Magnus" with links to those pages. I don't see why you would need a secondary disambig on each character page when the disambiguation pages should be doing this already. I do see the point of putting a "for similar characters see "Skrankotron (disambiguation)" link on Skrilloplex and Sharomus Magnus, though. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:29, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::[[Demolishor (disambiguation)|Demolishor]]. [[Scourge (disambiguation)|Scourge]]. [[Broadside (disambiguation)|Broadside]]. [[Knockout (disambiguation)|Knockout]]. There's plenty of characters whose names have been nameslapped multiple times, and it hurts nobody to add a little widget saying "hey, these are the name reuses (or differently-named characters) that ARE basically the same guy". I mean, Jalaguy literally ''asked'' the TFWiki Tumblr's followers - probably the best metric for polling casual viewers we've got - and got an overwhelmingly positive response. With that in mind, how can you say it wouldn't be useful for casual readers? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:55, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, chaotic disambigs like that are what inspired me back when I first brought up this proposal. Situations where there's a big list of name uses and the only way to work out which ones are versions of the character you're interested in is to manually click through to each article in turn. No harm in doing that legwork ahead of time for the curious user, surely? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 15:09, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::::My opinion, and what seems to be Khajidha's, isn't that we're against doing this ''at all''. It's about doing this separate from the existing disambig page, linked at opposite ends of an article. Isn't there a way to accommodate doing this form of disambig, but doing it ON the disambig page, like when we added the "Major Optimus Primes" image references? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:14, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::See, I don't see the point of ''that''. Like, what would that involve? A note on the disambig page that "only X, X and X are versions of X character"? Why put it there instead of on the page for, say, Prime Knock Out, so that someone reading about that character can see "oh, I've finished reading the information on Knock Out, but I see that he also appeared in G1 and Animated". --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:20, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::::::That's what the disambig pages already do, and specifically for Knock Out too. Are you concerned people won't find this information unless it's on the same page as the character's article? Because (correct me if I'm wrong), but it feels like we're arguing over the difference between "seeing it" and "clicking the disambig link and ''then'' seeing it". --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:42, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::::Yep, Xaaron, we are in agreement on all of that.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:01, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::::::::Listen, don't consider this a vote, but the disambiguation pages ''don't'' simply do that. They just contain a list of characters with the same name. Like I've got a video about Nemesis Prime dropping this weekend, right? So while doing my research I naturally checked the disambig page for him and his "evil twin" archetypes with different names. And on them, it says things like he "should not be confused with Scourge." Except - '''yes''', they absolutely '''should''' be confused with him, because they are the '''same thing''' that had it's name changed. All the disambigs do is disambiguate the ''name'' - they don't disambiguate the ''actual character''. "Sharpshot" ''should'' be confused with "Shrapnel." Hardshell ''should'' be confused with "Bombshell." Outback ''should'' be confused with "Fallback" because they're the ''same thing'', but instead they're thrown in at the end of the disambig page under "see also," set on the same level as "characters whose names sound a bit like this one" who they genuinely shouldn't be confused with. There is a distinction between "character" and "name" that the disambiguation pages are ''not'' making, and that's what this is intended to address. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 17:38, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::::::I feel like updating the disambig pages would be a better solution than creating a second disambig template that goes at the end of the article where most people wouldn't see it. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:56, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::::::::::I completely agree with Chris. And I completely agree with Dark T. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 18:01, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::I didn't see this until now but I agree that revamping the disambiguation pages in these cases would be a better solution. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 15:41, 28 May 2018 (EDT)

== Rename User ==

I was thinking about activating this extension since every so often it comes up that someone wants to change their username but can't. Does anyone have any objections? I'll ask in the thread on the AllSpark too, as soon as I can get the AllSpark to actually load (is it broken for anyone else?) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:52, 2 December 2017 (EST)
:It’s been broken for me almost all day (Also, been wanting change my name for a while) [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] ([[User talk:Jcbynum1|talk]]) 00:20, 3 December 2017 (EST)
::I'd be all for it; been trying to consolidate my usernames across most fandom-based platforms for a while now. I can't see the harm, especially if it's admin-initiated. [[User:Magaroja|Doc Chloroplast]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 11:03, 5 December 2017 (EST)

Just to clarify in case there's any confusion: the RenameUser extension won't allow users to rename themselves directly - rather they'll need to ask an admin to rename them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:23, 4 December 2017 (EST)

No reason not to allow this, is there? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 12:52, 7 December 2017 (EST)
:I say go for it. [[User:West james|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 17:22, 7 December 2017 (EST)
::I've just renamed Notirishman to test it and it looks like it worked perfectly, so thumbs up! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:14, 8 December 2017 (EST)

== Allspark Forums down ==
PSA to all interested: Alas, the Allspark's server is currently down and our server company doesn't do standard maintenance on weekends. You can try [http://temp.allspark.com/index.php?showtopic=2455 this temporary site] in the interim and check back on Monday to see if the site is back up. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:35, 3 December 2017 (EST)

== Is this the holy grail for Famicom How to Manga: Transformers Mystery of Convoy? ==

I have found this on TF RAW page:

[http://tfraw.blogspot.mx/p/mystery-of-convoy.html Famicom How to Manga: Transformers Mystery of Convoy at TF RAW]

Is this one of the items in the holy grail section?

[[User:EDDIE-X|EDDIE-X]] ([[User talk:EDDIE-X|talk]]) 20:29, 28 December 2017 (EST)

== Samoa Joe ==

Hi! I'd like to start a page for Samoa Joe (Nuufolau Joel Seanoa, voice of ''Power of the Primes'' Predaking), but I don't have clearance to do so. How can I get this clearance?

--[[User:TomServo88|TomServo88]] ([[User talk:TomServo88|talk]]) 16:21, 9 January 2018 (EST)
: Not necessary; someone beat you to it. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:28, 9 January 2018 (EST)

== Pete's Robot Convention 2018 ==

Should we consider customization class POTP Shattered Glass Swoop or Double Pretender Gears as official figures or not since Pete's Robot Convention isn't endorsed by HasTak? They are using HasTak and Funpub molds (whom the latter lost the license) so I am not so sure. So should we list them under toys or in the notes like Action Master G2 Breakdown? [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:26, 13 January 2018 (EST)
:Those are no different from any other unofficial fan customs repainted from official molds that we don't cover here. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 08:24, 14 January 2018 (EST)

== Downtime ==

Our web host has to do some maintenance to mitigate the recently discovered CPU vulnerabilities. The Wiki will therefore unavoidably be unavailable for a period of time at 2am and 7am UTC on the 15th. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:45, 14 January 2018 (EST)

== Merging the Alpha Trion pages (or: "Grandpa Convergence") ==

Considering that the Hasbro position going forwards seems to be using "member of the Thirteen" as Alpha Trion's primary role, I propose that we apply the same standards to him as we do our other Thirteen articles and merge the various versions into a single page. Considering that we've already had a pre-Aligned source that claims that all Alpha Trions are basically the same, I think it's a good idea to bend our rules and consider them the same sort of "general archetype" as the Fallen, Prima, et al.

The two main issues I expect:
*"He has a ''Shattered Glass'' version, so it'd be silly to have him one one page!" - [[Unicron/Shattered Glass|So does Unicron]]. I figure we'd apply the same standards.
*"He was never a multiversal singularity!" - Neither were Amalgamous, Quintus or Alchemist, and we still combine their Aligned and IDW incarnations.

I'd also like to note that, as it stands, the [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] who is most notable for being one of the Thirteen doesn't get to have the Alpha Trion Prime Master on his page. Thoughts? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:26, 17 January 2018 (EST)
:If we need to have consistency, I think it's simpler to just apply our standard organization to the rest of the Thirteen and the gods instead of forcing G1 A3 into a format that basically ignores 30 years of his history. Optimus Prime is basically the same guy across families and sometimes one of the Thirteen, but we're not merging them all. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:56, 17 January 2018 (EST)
::Optimus's sitch is different in that he doesn't seem to be part of The Official List Of Thirteen, which is twelve dudes plus whatever a given piece of fiction wants the super special Thirteenth Prime to be. I don't think it'd be ignoring his history; the opening paragraph doesn't even have to mention his Thirteeniness, it can just say that he's one of the oldest living Cybertronians. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:46, 17 January 2018 (EST)

Having mulled this matter for some time, I have come around to Riptide’s position. Alpha Trion indeed has, on a relative scale, almost no variation in his characterization and design despite debuting long before multiversal singularities and continuing even afterwards. And as Riptide says, Hasbro blurring the lines between continuity families means that there is user-unfriendly thematic dissonance for us to not link G1-based ''Power of the Primes'' Landmine / Alpha Trion to Aligned Alpha Trion, who pioneered the concept. As for ''Shattered Glass'' Alpha Trion, he can just use a sub-page as is the case with ''Shattered Glass'' Primus and Unicron. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:14, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

Anyone? No one wants to comment further? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:41, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
:I'm obviously still in favour. (And, you know, Trion WAS a multiversal singularity for a bit.) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:01, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
::So are we doing this? [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:52, 2 July 2018 (EDT)
:::I'm against it. They're not literally the same individual, so they should have separate pages just like anyone else. [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 21:07, 2 July 2018 (EDT)
I don't think we can really do anything until we get more responses... BUT I ''am'' mentally disregarding any "nay" argument that doesn't address why Trion should be treated differently from Quintus or Amalgamous. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:24, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
:Well, I'm not sure if this means much, but you get my vote, for reasons stated by yourself. [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:30, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
:It seems to me that what we don't have is the opposite; a reason why Quintus and Amalgamous should be treated differently from Alpha Trion and any other never-was-a-singularity set of always-similar counterpart characters. [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 20:22, 3 July 2018 (EDT)

== Create a list of 3rd party products. ==

There are a lot of third party products that are better than the official products such as Alien Attack Dino or Unique toys Peru Kill Lockdown, but we don't have a list of those.If you go to Dino page in the section of toys you only find the official ones (Hasbro and Takara) but why don't we put also Alien Attack Dino. It´s just a suggestion and this will help to expand the wiki. [[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 17:00, 17 January 2018 (EST)Crosshairs
:TFWiki is a wiki about official Transformers products and media, and 'third party' toys aren't official. We have [[IP infringing item|an article]] to cover the ''phenomenon'', as we do many other TF-related fandom concepts like [[fan fiction]] or [[toy swapping]], but TFWiki will never, ever document 'third party' toys in the way we do official ones. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 17:01, 17 January 2018 (EST)
:: In fact, we have TWO [[knockoff|articles]] examining the phenomenon at a broader level, but this wiki's focus always has been and always will be on official material. If you really want to look for examples, there's plenty of links on the Knockoff page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:15, 17 January 2018 (EST)

== Optimus vs. Malignus cardart ==

I previously posted this in the holy grails talk page, but since not many people are going to check that out, I'm reposting it here. Anyways, [[:Image:CarreraCardArt.JPG|is this what you're looking for?]] I found it in a TFW2005 thread about rare Transformers. If any of you have found it already, then sorry... [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 08:31, 23 January 2018 (EST)
:Unfortunately, it's the original art that's needed - the cards themselves are too low-quality. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:26, 23 January 2018 (EST)
::I'd still say that this is a worthwhile image to have. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:25, 23 January 2018 (EST)
:::Sometimes a low quality image is better than nothing at all! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 12:36, 23 January 2018 (EST)
::::As for the source of the image, [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/show-us-something-rare-from-g1-and-g2-only-and-we-rate-it-rare-or-not.222565/page-30#post-8043067 here it is]. Unfortunately, due to Photobucket now forcing its users to pay $399 yearly for third-party hosting, the image doesn't show up anymore. However, by viewing the source code using Internet Explorer, I managed to find the URL of the image. Although the image didn't display if I tried to view it on my PC, it managed to show up when I inputted the URL into my phone's browser! [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 13:42, 24 January 2018 (EST)

== POTP artwork ==

In my personal opinion, the artwork used for the ''Power of the Primes'' packaging is ''absolutely stunning'' How would you guys like it if some of them became the header images on their respective character pages? Personally, I think yes, but I would like your thoughts on it. If you agree, tell me which ones do you think should get the treatment. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 16:59, 19 February 2018 (EST)
:I think it's tricky because the PotP artwork, while really nice, is always a representation of that specific toy. In my opinion, a good mainpic should be a clear representation of the character that isn't tied to a particular toy or incarnation. That said, I think all five Terrorcons' mainpics would be better as the PotP images (especially Rippersnapper - why is his mainpic just his alt-mode?) and Windcharger and Tailgate's too (as his IDW incarnation has entirely overshadowed his Marvel G1 version, methinks). [[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 04:31, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::I agree with the whole clear representaion part of being a good mainpic. And for the Terrorcons, their art have all of them (except good ol' Rippy) ''only'' in their beast mode, so that doesn't work if you show discontent of having their at mode as their main pic (which could work cuz they are unique to the character). And how about Dreadwind, Darkwing, Firestar, and Moonracer? Their main pics seem ''too'' G1-esque in my opinion. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 09:44, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::"Characters often have multiple bodies, so the main image should generally be their original "real world" form, and as full-body as possible. " --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:50, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::POTP art shows the full-body. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:02, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::::But it is not of their original forms. Except for Slash. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:08, 20 February 2018 (EST)
Oh. Whoops. Didn't actually re-check the PotP artwork, so if it doesn't fix the alt-mode-only problem then there's no point. On a related note, I'm going to work on cropping proper-resolution Marvel profile artwork from Classics Vol. 8 to replace the fuzzy-looking ones we already have on here in the meantime. Do we have access to clean versions of the Legends game / collector card style artwork? Seems like another thing to look into. But yes, the Powermaster/Elita 1 etc mainpics that we have are the clearest representations of their designs I've seen. Just need better resolution, maybe.[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 10:36, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:Really? Dreadwind and Darkwing just have G1 boxart... ''that looks exactly'' like the G1 toy. Blocky and all. Moonracer and Firestar just have their G1 cartoon models. That doesn't really scream "a clear representation of the character that isn't tied to a particular toy or incarnation". [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 11:19, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::Doesn't matter because those aren't the guidelines. Those are Wadapan's opinions on what the guidelines should be. What I posted was taken directly from our [[Help:Example character article]].--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:26, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::With permission to change Dreadwind, Darkwing, Moonracer, Firestar, Tailgate, and/or Windcharger? [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 11:46, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::Considering that 1) there's only the three of us discussing this and 2) such replacement is against the guideline I quoted, the answer is no. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:58, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::::How is it against the guidelines? [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 12:05, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::::Because that artwork is based on the new toys and not on the character's actual first design.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:34, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::My bad, didn't realise we had such specific guidelines. Sorry to co-opt this thread, but I've uploaded the Classics version of [[Afterburner (G1)|Afterburner]]'s TFU profile art as an example for how the others would change. They all seem fuzzy and washed-out to me at the minute. My questions are:
:::*Do we want to include the vehicle mode? It's been done previously on some pages, but not on others.
:::*Do people actually prefer how the newer version looks?
:::--[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:14, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::Understood Khajida. I also didn't know we had such specific guidelines. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 14:47, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::Wadapan, the newer version definitely looks better, as for if we need vehicle mode, I'd say its not necessary, but I could be wrong. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 14:50, 20 February 2018 (EST)

== Listing the Thirteen ==

So, this is related to my Alpha Trion suggestion above, but I figured it's big enough to warrant its own section. In short: the way we present [[Thirteen#Members|the members of the Thirteen]] right now is kind of a mess. It gives the impression that the "Multiversal Thirteen" list is the "true" version and that Aligned and IDW are weird aberrations, rather than the CoP list being the "official Hasbro-approved Thirteen" and the AVP list being a bunch of names created in the knowledge that the concept was soon going to be disposed of altogether - and while that's technically the correct way to do things under the "everything is canon" principle, it's kind of unintuitive and difficult, so I think we should apply the "but some canon is more equal than others" policy. Similarly, it acts like the IDW Thirteen are different to the Aligned Thirteen, when they have the same lineup; certainly, they're less different than the IDW Pretenders to the Marvel Pretenders.

As such, I've created a mock-up of a [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Thirteen members|new version]] of the "Members" section of the Thirteen's page. My core intent was:
*Making clear that the Covenant Thirteen were the "official Thirteen" being used by Hasbro;
*Establishing that the Thirteenth Prime varies within uses of the Covenant Thirteen, but is always "special";
*Explaining that the true identities of the Multiversal Thirteen were ambiguous;
*Removing the redundant IDW list, which would be better served just explaining how the IDW Primes differ from the Covenant in the IDW fiction section.
*''Not'' removing any information that isn't covered elsewhere on the page.
Now, if we were to use this as the Alpha Trion pages are now, we would have to say that the "core" Thirteen contain either [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] or [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]], which is patently ridiculous... so I ''also'' created a sandbox for [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Alpha Trion|an overview page for Alpha Trion]], which - in the name of length - would link out to separate Generation 1 and Shattered Glass sub-pages as the [[Unicron]] page does. (I'd like to point out that Ask Vector Prime did [[Ask_Vector_Prime/Facebook_src#July_28.2C_2015|establish]] that, for a short time, Alpha Trion ''was'' a multiversal singularity.)

Thoughts? Feedback? Whether my proposal is used or not, I ''do'' feel very strongly that the current Thirteen page is sub-optimal, and so I'd like to hear other proposals as how to improve it. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:26, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
:From what I'm seeing so far of what you have done, I think that this will be better than the current setup, as the TFWiki is to inform, and tghis helps readers ease into the subject matter. While, I have nothing to add on, I can say this is a good idea with good execution. On another note, on your new Alpha Trion page is also good in my book. And one question, will we change the [[Template:Thirteen]] along with this? I presume 'yes', correct, because I see no reason why not? [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:41, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
:I disagree with your purpose(s), your reasoning, and your execution.
:(1) "Official Hasbro-approved Thirteen" is nonsense. We don't list things by "most prominent", we list them chronologically. And, chronologically, the Multiversal Thirteen was the only Thirteen that existed for eight years. I strongly disapprove of any organization scheme that says "''Oh, these guys were a thing once, but here's the more topically important guys you should be focusing on.''" This is for the same reason we don't put prominent fictions like IDW towards the top of pages, or put ''Revenge of the Fallen'' at the topic of the Fallen's fiction section, since waaaay more people saw the movie than ever read Dreamwave. The Thirteen, in particular, is such a confusing tale that laying things out chronologically helps explain how the concept unfolded.
:(2) The true identities of the Multiversal Thirteen are only ambiguous under the most technical and pedantic viewing of the information. We were given a list of Thirteen characters. It would be hampering the information we were given to "Well, technically..." it to death.
:(3) I agree with combining and generalizing the descriptions of the Aligned and IDW Thirteen.
:(4) I don't remotely understand how it's "unintuitive and difficult" to understand the difference between the Multiversal and Aligned lists, and why it requires us to make exceptions to the rules. Please explain that better. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:40, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
::Actually, Xaaron does make a good point. However, I think it is general consensus that the Thirteen page needs to be improved for reader's ease and organization sake. This is where I think the rest of your plans should fit in. [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:23, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
::It's funny that you bring up the Fallen, because he's a case where we ''do'' break our rules - his mainpic is of his ROTF design rather than his Dreamwave design, because it's ''so'' absurdly more notable. I don't really see how you can argue that the internally-created-by-Hasbro list of Thirteen that has been used in two TV shows, a major comic series and one of Hasbro's flagship toylines is somehow equally or less important than the list of Thirteen that was created by a licensee as a bit of fanwank and was used for a few Facebook posts. Like, it doesn't even compare. We ''do'' [[Help:Ignore_all_standards|ignore all standards]] in cases where it would make things clearer for the audience, and acting like the AVP Thirteen matter as much as the Covenant Thirteen does ''not'' make things clearer for the reader. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:37, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:::Actually, I'm not arguing that the Multiversal are more/equally important, I'm arguing that "importance" isn't relevant. But regardless, what about something completely different instead of preserving the current basic set-up? Something closer to the multi-universal Wreckers page?
:::Keep the conceptual history at the top to maintain a chronological explanation of the concept as it developed. Then include Wrecker-style membership lists at the top of each Fiction section for Multiversal (and subcategories), Aligned, IDW, etc.
:::These member lists could include minimal or no descriptions of the individual Thirteen so they can be stacked two or three columns across like the Wreckers. I feel descriptions of the Thirteen were more important when they had little to no outside fiction to draw upon. Now that they're their own characters with their own toys, etc., descriptions aren't needed.
:::Is that a compromise we can build from? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:14, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
::::Well, I certainly would want to keep the conceptual history in the first place - which is part of why I think we can afford to ''not'' put the member list in technical chronological order! I wouldn't be opposed to Wrecker-style membership lists in the fiction sections IN ADDITION to the general "Members" section, but I do feel like laying out who the "core Thirteen" are is... kind of important. I dunno, maybe you don't! --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:21, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:::::I don't. I really don't. I disagree with even referring to them as "the core Thirteen". I think you're confusing "now" with "core". There isn't a core Thirteen, in my mind, just a current Thirteen for whatever fiction you're following. The reason my mind went to the Wreckers page is, just because there are a "core" Wreckers (the seven toys from Marvel UK's first story) and "current" Wreckers (IDW's more expansive team), doesn't mean either get preference over the others on the Wiki page.
:::::And despite your insistence, even ''now'' Hasbro isn't sticking with a single "core Thirteen" list. They've already backed off from the Covenant, turning Optimus Prime into "The Arisen" for IDW. The Titans Return cartoon mentioned Sentinel Prime instead of following the Covenant. Even the Prime Master toys haven't managed to put out all 13 Thirteen. No version of the Thirteen listed by Hasbro since the Covenant of Primus has ''stuck'' with the CoP list perfectly.
:::::I know you feel people are over-emphasizing the AVP-listed Thirteen (which is ironic, considering your opinions during the AVP period). But I feel you are over-emphasizing the CoP Thirteen, when even Hasbro isn't following that list ''precisely''. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:02, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
::::::I feel like the "core Thirteen" ''are'' more cohesive than you're giving credit for. The Arisen and the POTP "whoever holds the Matrix" take are clearly reinterpretations of "Optimus as the Thirteenth"... and frankly, I think the mention of Sentinel is more a matter of poor research than indicative of Hasbro's feelings on the membership of the Thirteen. But, you know, we can't agree on everything. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:18, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:I do think that merging the Aligned and IDW sections is a good idea, as is making clear that they're the main "Hasbro approved" Thirteen. I think the "Multiverse" Thirteen should still have their own section separate from the "Other Members" section, I'm not sure what to name it though or whether it should go before or after the "Hasbro" Thirteen. I'm fairly neutral on the merging of Alpha Trion's pages, but if we do go through with that I think we should link out the Aligned section as a sub-page as well. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 05:51, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

Chiming in to digress and say I absolutely disagree with merging the Alpha Trions and think the idea of having the individuals have one article each regardless of continuity family was a terrible one. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:So, to be clear, you'd rather that, say, Vector Prime had separate "Vector Prime (Cybertron)", "Vector Prime (WFC)", "Vector Prime (G1)", and "Vector Prime (Transtech)" articles? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:19, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
::Yes. I don't really consider them different from any other character in this respect. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:32, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:::Huh, there is no way we can satisfy everyone, eh? and its hard to say whats best for the wiki as there aren't even enough people participating in the conversation to give an opinion. If you want my opinion, Riptide, I agree with the way you had it on the sandbox page, but that's just my opinion. I'm also on board for the Alpha Trion merge. If there's one thing I would change is to change 'Main members' and 'core members' to 'Current members,' as generally that is more clear-cut and to-the-point than 'core members.' [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 21:44, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
::::So what's our verdict, eh? [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 16:42, 26 April 2018 (EDT)

===A revised proposal===
So, I've taken the various bits of criticism into account, and [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Thirteen members|revised my proposal]] - now as a full page, rather than just the one section. It's now not using "core members" and "other members", instead listing the two most prominent lineups, Covenant and Multiverse (with the Covenant one going first because it was the first to be fully revealed), and THEN other members; and on top of that I've added Wreckers-style lists to each separate continuity, so that everyone can know at a glance which lineup is in which universe.

(Well, I used MOST of the criticisms. I didn't take Saix's into account because there's no way we're splitting Vector et al into a thousand separate pages.)

How do people feel about this one? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:17, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
:I like it. My only quibble is one I also have with the current set up: why are we not mentioning the [[Guiding Hand]] as a conceptual forerunner? Especially given how ALL 5 GH members have since been listed in one or another variant of the 13.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:32, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
::The Guiding Hand as a concept came into existence long after the Thirteen did. I'd be willing to bring them up in the conceptual history section, but I'll have to give it some thought as how to integrate it. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:36, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
:::Guess I got confused by the older style art. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:40, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
:::I like how you added the Guiding Hand. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:53, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

== Transformers Telephone ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLnGA-s3LR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWh_ZXmFyng
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5080655

I think I've found 3 of them: Convoy, Hound and Starscream. From what understood from these videos, they're introducing themselves. I hope this is useful

== HTTPS ==

This site is now available securely by putting https at the start of the URL thusly: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page

Please test and let me know if you run into any issues. At the moment the only one I know about is that some actions (saving an edit, using the random page function) will throw you back to the non-secure site, but once the non-secure site is redirecting to the secure one, that should be fixed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:51, 31 March 2018 (EDT)
:Will switch on redirecting some time in the next few days. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:24, 2 April 2018 (EDT)

== "Optimus Prime's involvement in the preceding events blah blah" ==

Do we honestly need those notes? They're an eyesore and telling readers they showed up in a coloring book adaptation isn't particularly illuminative. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:14, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
:Context? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:51, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
:It saves us from writing up multiple sections that are basically duplicates of each other. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:20, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
::We don't need or do that either? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:51, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
:::We don't do that because these notes take care of it. If we remove the notes, we would need to add fiction sections for these coloring books and such that would simply duplicate the existing movie section. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:24, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I mean, as petty as it seems to summarize coloring books, we really shouldn't start drawing lines in the sand as to what fiction is worthy of being documented and what is too small. Those notes in the G1 cartoon summary sections may look a little fugly, but they strike me as a decent compromise to include that info without having to give it its own section on some already bloated (Optimus Prime (G1)) pages. Plus, they're a little handy for reference since I know at a glance exactly where in the G1 cartoon summary section The Movie is, which conveniently bisects things when skimming, but that's just me. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 14:05, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
:::::Right. The whole goddamn '''''point''''' of the wiki is to link out to a breadth of relevant information. And part of that information is all the fictional outlets available, including coloring books, kids' storybooks, etc etc etc etc. Sometimes those outlets are simply recaps of stories from "larger" media, so, in the interest of saving space, the note. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:27, 6 April 2018 (EDT)

== OJ Simpson ==

Is it ok to make a Page on OJ Simpson, since he was on [[The Transformers Universal Studios Tour]] page? I'm like scared about this right now. [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 02:26, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
: He only really appeared in a single commercial that was BARELY Transformers related. I'd say follow the precedent set with Peyton Manning's Universal commercial during the Super Bowl and just use a Wikipedia redirect. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 02:51, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
:: Nobody wants a TFWiki article on The Juice more than I do, believe me. But I think Cyberlink is right (though I suppose [[Alex Karras]] gets a pass because the commercial he did was directly for Transformers and not just a promotion that incidentally included Transformers). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 10:55, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
:::I think you hit the nail right on the head there as to the criterion, Spengs.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:19, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
:::And I'm going to Hell for the joke I'm wanting to make about the 8-piece Family Pac he's holding in that photo.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:26, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
::::Thank you guys. I'm just relieved that this nightmare on the Juice is over. [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 17:27, 6 April 2018 (EDT)

== Links to the GoBots/IDW Hasbro sister wikis on the main page. ==

I've brought this up several times on the Allspark forums, but it never gets any traction there, so I'm bringing this here. We need to have links from the main page to the two others that isn't some "disambiguation" gimmick that changes every time you reload the page. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:30, 29 April 2018 (EDT)
:Seconded. There's currently only a 1 in 21 chance of people seeing either link in the disambig box, assuming they even look at it. They definitely need their own dedicated links. I might even suggest going so far as to add a box for them in the side bar, perhaps between the Toolbox and the Advertisement. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:47, 29 April 2018 (EDT)
::This isn't something that needs seconding, this is something that just needs to be done. I don't know why creating links to them wasn't one of the first things we did when the wikis were created, because as it is now, those wikis are basically unknown. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 08:52, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

== RID01/Car Robots names ==

I brought this up on the Allspark, but again, I'll bring it up here; our current write-ups for Legends and Unite Warriors stuff where RID 01 characters appear use the Japanese name, despite that going against our rules. The current justification-that Car Robots takes place in G1 unlike RID-doesn't really justify it, and as it is now, it just feels "weeaboo"-ish. Most of the western fandom that has any knowledge of RID01 is going to use the English names, and as it is now, it's just confusing. I do get things like Fire Convoy, Gigatron, and Brave Maximus being used, but we don't need Sky-Byte listed as "Gelshark". [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 08:57, 30 April 2018 (EDT)
:There is also the fact that for the Unite Warriors toyline, as Takara used the Japanese names in Katakana and the Hasbro names in Latin script, for Baldigus they kept the Car Robots names in both Katakana and Latin Script instead of using "Ruination" et al in Latin script. Same goes for the two Legends LG-EX Black Convoy toys using "Black Convoy" instead of "Scourge" in Latin script. Granted, Legends Gelshark did use "Sky-Byte" in Latin script, but two-to-one Car Robots character toys kept the Car Robots name, and that toy did come before Sakamoto really got going with his Car Robots Continuation plot.
:But the point is, the fact that the Japanese names were kept in Latin script for the Car Robots versions of the characters sounds to me like, from Takara's perspective, the English names of the Car Robots versions of the characters (the ones who exist in the same world as all of the Japanese G1 and Japanese Beast Era characters, as opposed to the RiD 2001 versions of the characters who occupy their own separate and unique reality) are their Japanese names.
:As for the "weeaboo" thing, to me, what would be weeaboo-ish would be to refer to the characters as "Faiyā Konboi", "Gigatoron", "Bureibu Makishimasu", etc., or even to write their names in raw Katakana ''instead'' of Latin script, and that is unquestionably annoying. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 10:50, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

== "First appearances" on IDW pages ==

As can be seen on "[[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1]]". Why did we stop doing this? It seems rather useful. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:26, 18 May 2018 (EDT)

== Multiple co-brandings in headings ==

Increasingly in recent years Hasbro has been lumping multiple (sub)line names together, mostly under the ''Generations'' mega-banner. Now I’m generally of the philosophy that multiple indented headings are not necessary in cases of only 1 applicable toy (line) like [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/toys]], [[Black Shadow (Victory)]], and [[Deathsaurus (Victory)]], but it occurred to me that unlike with the ''Prime Wars Trilogy'' most people probably have the mindset of ''Studio Series'' as its own thing first and not as a subset of ''Generations''. And since we already do indented headings for movieverse characters who are in a dozen size classes, I’ve tried labeling ''Studio Series'' in cases such as [[Megatron (Movie)/toys]], [[Jazz (Movie)]], and [[Grimlock (AOE)]] for easier user accessibility. What do y’all think of this approach? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:56, 27 May 2018 (EDT)
:I'm not the greatest fan because it breaks from our norm. I say either change all of the Generations' sections to include subline imprints, or don't. I'm just a little OCD about it, that's all. And I think you should've put this post up before you made all your changes. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 16:08, 27 May 2018 (EDT)

== Quidd ==

As some of you may know, Hasbro partnered with Quidd to make digital merchandise. How are we supposed to catalog this. Make a page for Quidd and put everything there? or add a digital merchandise section alongside the existing merchandise and toy sections that already exist. [[User:Victinoko|Victinoko]] ([[User talk:Victinoko|talk]]) 20:25, 3 June 2018 (EDT)
:I don't know that we need a separate section for digital merchandise. Just stick it with the other merchanidse for now. If it turns out there's a ton of it, we can look at splitting it out. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:21, 3 June 2018 (EDT)
::There already is a fair amount of Quidd merchandise. And there's more coming. But anyways, when we list them I think we should put the set it's in, the packs you can get them in, and how many coins it would cost to get those packs, and their set number. any other info would you need? also, would the format be

::Quidd

::(Set name here)

::(Figure name here)

::Info

::Like how we do figures, or would we put the set name in brackets next to the 3d Figure/sticker/card name? [[User:Victinoko|Victinoko]] ([[User talk:Victinoko|talk]]) 18:06, 4 June 2018 (EDT)

== Project Wonderful is shutting down. ==

https://www.projectwonderful.com/thanks.php

These are how we serve our ads, and so as of July 11, they won't be working anymore. Reprolabels has already reached out to me about it, and he's game with just paying us directly for the spot. We'll have to get in touch with TFsource for the skyscraper ad, and, uh, we'll have to figure out how to manage the money we're losing from the square ad that's been up for grabs. Get another regular advertiser locked in? I dunno.

We'll likely need folks who can get into the code for the main page template architecture or whatever, so we can do all this in the coming month.

HI.

--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 12:51, 11 June 2018 (EDT)
:I can make whatever changes to the skin are needed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:47, 11 June 2018 (EDT)
:Yay! I think the last time we touched the ad areas, Christine did it. It's been a while. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 17:59, 11 June 2018 (EDT)

== IDW first appearances on character pages ==

Why are these being added? Are similar additions going to be made for other continuities? They seem pretty useless and silly to me.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:06, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
:[[#"First appearances" on IDW pages|Well this is awkward.]] -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:09, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
::That proposal was for making notes about first appearances on the pages of the fiction, not the characters. I have no opinion on that. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:29, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

Anyhow, M Sipher stated in the Allspark discussion thread that given the tendency of IDW continuity to show characters out of chronological sequence, it would be useful to list first real world appearances. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 14:37, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

:It's been brought up on Twitter as a problem with "nerd wikis" in general to value in-universe event order over real-world reading/experience order to the Nth degree, often to the detriment of not-already-hugely-invested readers. While we do compare favorably to most (take note that Wookiepeedia wedges licensed video game events directly into a character's main timeline, like, ''right in the middle of the movie story''), something as simple as finding a character's first appearance in real-world reading order shouldn't be a chore requiring digging and multi-link jumping. ''Generally'' any given chunk of Transformers media's diagetic and real-world chronologies have lined up pretty well and it hasn't been much of an issue, as most of the prequel/backfills are spinoff media and we split those into their own subsections. But IDW, particularly after "phase two" started, '''''really''''' bounces around its own timeline; the example given was that Grimlock's IDW writeup starts with a material published four years after his first appearance.
:This seems like a thing the larger IDW character sections need, a simple "start here". Honestly we should probably take a look at the IDW-as-a-publisher/continuity pages and see about making the real-world publishing list a bit more easily-found/readable (it's kind of a morass of text). It's unlikely we'll need this for most of the fiction sections of character pages, since most fictions are relatively straightforward. But IDW is an exception. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:39, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
:Seems like that would be better served with an Appearances section with all entries in chronological release order. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 05:29, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

Megatron (BW)/toys

2018-07-03T01:32:09Z

NovaSaber: Undo revision 1266335 by Surnis (talk)

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[[File:BWMegatronSticker.jpg|thumb|275px|A smile that launched a thousand schemes.]]
The '''[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]''' from ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' has many toys, yeeess.

==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
[[File:BWtoy-MegatronBasic.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It appears to be a harmless Earth creature!]]
*'''Optimus Primal VS Megatron''' (Basic 2-pack, 1996)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''VS-6'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun/tail

: The initial version of ''Beast Wars'' Megatron transformes into a green alligator. The toy is a [[retool]] of [[Iguanus (BW)|Iguanus]] with new alligator and robot heads, and no frill. The screw hole for the frill bracket remains. Both toys were released at roughly the same time.

:Whether this toy can be considered the ''Beast Wars'' Megatron character as seen in the primary fiction is a matter of debate. Released before the beginning of the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|animated series]], which established Megatron as a separate entity from [[Megatron (G1)|Generation 1 Megatron]], the accompanying profiles and mini-comic seem to assume that the Beast Wars are a progression of the same characters from the Autobot/Decepticon war.

:This mold was additionally used to make the purple-recolored [[Megatron (G1)/toys#CDgator|Megaligator]] (indicated to be Generation 1 Megatron), and the Iguanus version was used for [[Crazybolt (BWN)|Crazybolt]]. It was also proposed for [[Albitron]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Predacon/MegatronGator/megatron.htm More information on Megatron (alligator) at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Bwmegatron toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Don't call him Barney.]]
*'''Megatron''' (Ultra, 1996)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Two missiles, water squirter

: This Megatron transformes into a purple organic ''Tyrannosaurus rex''. He has limited articulation in [[beast mode]], but his dinosaur head can [[Water-squirting gimmick|shoot water]]. In [[robot mode]], he has no hands, as his right arm ends with his dinosaur head, and his tail, folded into a pincer, forms his left arm. The outer shells of his dinosaur thighs conceal spring-loaded missile launchers that fire anchor-shaped projectiles.

:His robot head features two bat-like wing adornments that fold to become a [[mutant head]].

:The Takara release features no changes from the Hasbro version. This mold was also used to make the ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' [[Dinobot (BM)|Dinobot]] [[T-Wrecks#Beast Machines|T-Wrecks]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Predacon/Megatron/megatron.htm More information on Megatron (''T. rex'') at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BWtoy takara megaligator.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Megaligator''' (Basic, 1997)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-6'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun/tail

:In Japan, the gator Megatron toy was also sold as an individual toy, as well as in a VS pack with Optimus. The individual release is identical to the two-pack version, which is in turn identical to the Hasbro version.

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*'''Arachnid''' ([[MicroVerse]], 1997)

:A small, non-transforming micro-figure of Megatron in his alligator body came with the [[MicroVerse]] [[Arachnid]] playset.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1997/Predacon/Arachnid/arachnid.htm More information on Arachnid (including Megatron figure) at TFU.info]''

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*'''Megatron''' (Ultra, 199?)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''?'''
**''Accessories:'' Two misslies, water squirter

:A gold chrome redeco of Ultra-class ''Tyrannosaurus'' Megatron. It was a Japanese exclusive [[Lucky Draw figure]], and at least ten were made.

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[[File:BWtoy-MegatronTM.jpg|upright=1.88|thumb|Ducky not included. Bummer. ''(Hasbro version pictured)'']]
[[File:BWtoy-MegatronMetals.jpg|upright=1.88|thumb|I'm the one that doesn't crumble in your hands. ''(Takara version pictured)'']]
*'''Megatron''' (Transmetal Mega, 1998)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-40'''
**''Accessories:'' Tail/whip

: The third ''Beast Wars'' Megatron toy transforms from a mechanical ''Tyrannosaurus'' to an organic robot mode. As with all Transmetal toys, he has a 'third' vehicle mode; roller skates fold out of his feet and his turbines flip open. These modifications can also be deployed in robot mode. In robot mode, his tail becomes a flexible, segmented cutlass weapon. He can either hold it or it can be stored at his side on the connector piece it was attached to when in beast mode.

:The Hasbro release of this figure was in gold, dark brown, and silver. The Hasbro release is known for being remarkably fragile — the deep brown plastic used for Megatron's waist and torso is prone to eventual breakage due to stress fractures. This has often been mistaken for a form of [[Gold Plastic Syndrome]], but is really more of a design flaw coupled with weak plastics. The Takara version, which used a different plastic, does not have this problem. The Hasbro version had three different variants all based on the shade used for the transmetal parts, some were pink, some purple and others a darker blue purple.

: The Japanese version, "Metals Megatron", is slightly different. The Japanese version uses black instead of the brown of the Hasbro version, a light gray for the beast mode hands, tail, and skates instead of the metallic silver of the Hasbro release, and the copper has a darker, more reddish tint as well.

:This mold was retooled to make ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Predacon (Armada)#Armada|Predacon]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Predacon/Megatron/megatron.htm More information on Transmetal Megatron at TFU.info]''

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*'''Metals Convoy VS Metals Megatron''' (VS pack, 1999)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''VS-40'''
**''Accessories:'' Tail/whip

: In Japan, Metals Megatron was available both individually and in a two-pack with [[Optimus Primal/toys|Mega Transmetal Optimus Primal]]. Both toys are identical to their individual releases.

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[[File:BWdragonmegs toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Don't call him Puff, either.]]
*'''Megatron''' (Transmetal 2 Ultra, 1999)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-47'''
**''Accessories:'' Three missiles

: The final version of ''Beast Wars'' Megatron transforms into a mostly mechanical dragon, with articulation in his legs, little dragon arms and his flexible, rubber neck with vacuum metallized overlapping plates attached on top. The neck is flexible and controlled via a small lever located at its base. This lever was apparently installed backwards due to factory error - it can be used to lock the dragon neck in place, but must first be unscrewed and reattached correctly. The projectiles stored in his wings can be fired from a spring-loaded launcher inside his dragon's mouth.

:In robot mode, Megatron resembles a winged demon, appropriate given his characterization. His chest is dominated by a small cockpit with a control chair inside (see Notes). Megatron's dragon neck and head replaces his left arm, with an additional missile launcher above his helmet. His spark crystal, colored purple, is located on his dragon mode's right pectoral.

:Transmetal 2 Megatron has a half-hearted "transportation" mode, little more than an afterthought, which involves deploying wheels from his heels, then folding his legs up parallel with his body, so that he can roll around on the ground. Presumably this is what the aforementioned neck-locking mechanism was intended for, so the dragon can look straight ahead as it rolls. The original commercial for the toy [[:File:TM2 Ultras Commercial.jpg|mistransformed]] this mode, making it instead look like Megatron scooted around on his knees.

:The Takara "Metals Dragon Megatron" version features no differences to the Hasbro release. This mold was also used to make [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|''Robots in Disguise'']] [[Cryotek (RID)#Robots in Disguise (2001)|Cryotek]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1999/Predacon/Megatron/megatron.htm More information on Transmetal 2 Megatron at TFU.info]''
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===Beast Machines===
[[File:BMtoy-MegatronMega.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|He's a flasher! Mangle!]]
*'''Megatron''' (Mega, 2000)

: Part of the second wave of ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' Mega-class toys, the first ''Beast Machines'' incarnation of Megatron was based on his Transmetal 2 dragon form, but with cues from his ''Beast Machines'' design added, specifically the gilded control helmet and the wrapping cape. A compartment on his chest can be lifted to reveal a [[spark]] chamber with a Vehicon spark crystal, similar to other Beast Machines toys. Other than a robot and dragon mode, a third mode, one that wraps and closes the dragon wings around the robot, mimics the shrouded appearance seen on the television show.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Vehicon/Megatron/megatron.htm More information on Beast Machines Megatron (Mega) at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BMtoy-MegatronMcD.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Looks good enough to drink.]]
*'''Megatron''' (McDonald's Happy Meal, 2000)
**''McNumber'': '''3'''

: Transforms from cloaked robot mode to a very weak dragon mode. Much of the toy is made of translucent plastic, and he uses light piping to light up the spark crystal on his dragon mode's tummy. He doesn't do it very well, though—you sorta have to hold him up sideways to the light and hope it's working.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Vehicon/McMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Beast Machines Megatron (Mcdonald's) at TFU.info]''

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*'''Megatron''' (Little Red Rooster Meal, 2001)

: The McDonald's Happy Meal Megatron was also released in Australia through the Red Rooster restaurant chain. Like the other three toys, it came in four color schemes. He was also retooled to remove the light piping on the original. Strangely enough, the toy was labeled as "Nightscream" on the plastic baggy it came in.

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[[File:BM-toy BeastChanger.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Beast Changer''' (Deluxe, 2001)
**''Accessories'': Wings (left & right)

: The Beast Changer (so called due to [[Hasbro]]'s inability to secure the [[Trademark]] on "[[Noble (BM)|Savage Noble]]") transforms from wolf-creature to dragon-creature (the packaging announces a conversion from "savage beast to noble wolf," a reference to the name Hasbro wasn't able to trademark). A spring-loaded tab on the dragon's head opens his jaws. The toy's [[spark crystal]] has its own unique symbol, a merger of the ''Beast Machines'' Maximal and Vehicon logos. Its spark-action [[gimmick]] is a wind-up spinning claw attack.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Maximal/BeastChanger/beastchanger.htm More information on "Beast Changer" at TFU.info]''

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*'''Megatron''' (Jollibee Kids Meal, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' Con Pencil Point Vise, wing unit

: Megatron was available as one of three figures in a Jollibee promotion. The toy is a greatly simplified version of his ''Beast Machines'' Mega toy. The dragon mode is him wearing his wings as a silly hat.

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*'''Megatron''' (Ultra, <s>2001</s>)

:Around December of 2000, the online retailer [[BigBadToyStore]] put up a list of upcoming ''Transformers'' product from Hasbro<ref>http://web.archive.org/web/20001206140100/http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/news.asp</ref>. Although the main point of interest was a ''[[Transtech]]'' assortment listing, it revealed several tail-end and unreleased ''Beast Machines: Battle for the Spark'' toys, including an Ultra-Class Megatron. And that is literally all we know about it. The end.

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===Robotmasters===
[[File:RMtoy-Megatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"''Utahraptor'', maybe in an alternate timeline I'm being less of a jerk right now, but that's just rampant speculation, okay?"]]
*'''Beast Megatron''' (2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-02'''
**''Accessories:'' Claw/tail, missile launcher, missile

: ''[[Robotmasters (franchise)|Robotmasters]]'' Beast Megatron is a simplified version of the 1996 Ultra ''Beast Wars'' Megatron. Much smaller, having a very similar transformation and a sculpt resembling the television series CGI model, but a paint scheme similar to the original toy. The tail/claw weapon was now removeable, revealing a robot fist which the tail/claw weapon could clamp around. He also came with a small laser rifle.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Destron/BeastMegatron/beastmegatron.htm More information on Beast Megatron at TFU.info]''

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*'''Beast Megatron Limited Black Version''' (2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-02'''
**''Accessories:'' Claw/tail, missile launcher, missile, Sacred-Cut Sword "Gazan" blade

: Available only via mail-order through ''Hyper Hobby'' magazine, the "Limited Black Version" of Beast Megatron is just that: a straight [[black repaint]] of the Beast Megatron toy. He comes with all his original accessories, appropriately redecoed, as well as a gold-chromed version of the "Sacred-Cut Sword 'Gazan'" [[Solitarium]] weapon that came with [[Air Hunter]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Destron/HHBeastMegatron/beastmegatron.htm More information on Beast Megatron Limited Black Version at TFU.info]''

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===Beast Wars Returns===
*'''Megatron''' (Mega, 2004-[[November 18|11-18]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-05'''

:This release is the same as the American ''Beast Machines'' Mega toy.

*'''Noble Savage''' (Deluxe, 2005-[[April 14|04-14]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-11'''

: A toy version of [[Noble (BM)|Savage/Noble]] and a redeco of Beast Changer, he transforms from a wolf-creature to a dragon creature, with no robot mode. The difference lies in that select red plastic parts were changed to a blue color.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Maximal/BeastChanger/beastchanger.htm More information on Noble/Savage at TFU.info (scroll down)]''

{{anchor|MegaheadMegatron}}[[File:BeastWarsReturnstoy-MegaheadMegatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|You will have to pay a lot for this, yessss...]]
*'''Megahead Megatron''' (Deluxe, 2005-04-14)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-12'''
**''Accessories:'' Missile

: This is a Japanese-[[exclusive]] redeco of ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Megatron (RID)#Megabolt|Megabolt Megatron]] and transforms into a head-shaped spider tank, based on the [[Grand Mal]] design. A gear-wheel mechanism moves the legs up and down as the tank mode is pushed along. Pressing the [[spark crystal]] on the tank's top opens its jaw and fires a spring-loaded missile. In robot mode, this swings the entire cannon assembly up over the robot's head, along with a "battle mask".

: If one removes the toy's spider-legs in head mode, it fits into the head socket to the [[Fortress Maximus (G1)#Generation 1|Fortress Maximus]] main body. Though this is likely unintended, it is pointed out here as an extra play feature.

: This mold was also used to make [[Megabolt]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Decepticon/MegaboltMegatron/megaboltmegatron.htm More information on Megahead Megatron at TFU.info (scroll down)]''

===Timelines===
*'''Darksyde Megatron''' (Ultra-class, 2006)

[[File:Timelinestoy-MegatronDoFP.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|My face defies all photographic lighting!]]
:''Accessories'': Large missile, projectile, spring-loaded shield/multi-tool arm, claw attachment, hammer attachment, [[Golden Disk (disambiguation)|Golden Disk]] key

: Representing Megatron before his crash on [[Earth]], ''[[Transformers Timelines (fiction)|Timelines]]'' Megatron is a [[retool]] and [[redeco]] of the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]''-series [[Cybertron Defense Team|Cybertron Defense]] [[Red Alert (Armada)#CybCD|Red Alert]] toy, and transforms into a large, purple military vehicle similar to a cross between a Russian {{w|R-400 Oka|R-400 Oka mobile ballistic missile launcher}} and a {{w|BTR-90|BTR-90 armoured personnel carrier}}. The missile can be slid off from its holder, and the left side of his [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] has a flip-up non-firing double-blaster, which can also be "used" in robot mode. Inserting the Golden Disk key (that's marked with the [[Insignia|Predacon symbol]]) into the rear of the missile pops it in half and exposes the inner spring-loaded projectile-launching "laser cannon".

: Megatron comes with a shield that can be mounted on either arm, and when a Key is inserted into the top, a cannon barrel/multi-tool arm flips out that can be equipped with several tools stored in his shins (a spring-loaded hammer-head or a gripping claw). He has two (nonfunctional) [[Mini-Con]] [[Powerlinx]] hardpoints in vehicle mode, and two ''different'' hardpoints in robot mode. The electronics that were previously present in this mold were removed for this release, and all samples of this toy have the space for the robot-mode head manually (and sometimes messily) carved open wider at the top in order to allow the new head to move freely between modes.

: Megatron was an at-show souvenir for [[BotCon 2006]], coming in a two-pack with [[Waspinator (BW)#Timelines 2|Waspinator]].

: This mold was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Countdown (G1)#Universe 2008|Countdown]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Predacon/BCMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Darksyde Megatron at TFU.info]''

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===Beast Wars 10th Anniversary===
[[File:BW 10th Megatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Grape-faces don't give up, they conquer!"]]
*'''Megatron''' (Deluxe, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Gun/tail, missile, Jungle Planet Key

: For the 10th Anniversary of ''Beast Wars'', [[Hasbro]] created an all-new Deluxe-size tooling based mostly upon his original 1996 ''Tyrannosaurus'' form, but with technorganic detailing. When a [[Cyber Key]] is inserted into his <s>ass</s> tail, it opens up to reveal a missile launcher.

: He is also packaged with a mini-comic-sized reprinting of [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Gathering|The Gathering]]'' #1, a small ''[[Darksyde (BW)|Darksyde]]'' ship figurine, and a [[Animatron|Jungle Planet]] style Cyber Key ''without'' a [[Cyber Key Codes|Cyber Key Code]] stamped on it. On its packaging, "Predacon" is misspelled as "Preadcon", but a sticker was placed over it with the proper spelling.<ref name="predaconsticker">[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/beast-wars-10th-anniversary/megatron/963/2/8/ Sticker covering a typo on ''Beast Wars 10th Anniversary'' Megatron's packaging with correct "Predacon" spelling].</ref> The sculpts for both leader toys were intentionally designed to blend in with the Jungle Planet aesthetic, "in case" they didn't get a Beast Wars Anniversary release (according to [[Aaron Archer]]'s statements at [[BotCon 2005]]).

: This mold was [[redeco]]ed and released as [[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron'']] [[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Megatron]] and [[BotCon 2010]] [[Cindersaur (G1)|Cindersaur]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Predacon/Megatron/megatron.htm More information on 10th Anniversary Megatron at TFU.info]''
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*'''Optimus Primal vs. Megatron''' (multipack, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Two missiles, water squirter

: The same figures as the ''Beast Wars Reborn'' two-pack released in the United States as a Toys "R" Us exclusive and packaged with "[[Possession]]". (Oddly, the box art is a re-use from that of the previous 10th Anniversary new-mold deluxe, an entirely different body design.)
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Predacon/TRUMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Megatron (Toys "R" Us Exclusive) at TFU.info]''

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===Beast Wars Reborn===
[[File:BW Megatron BWReborn.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Is it me, or does his tail-weapon-thing have teeth?]]
*'''Convoy vs Megatron''' (2006)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BWR-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Two missiles, water squirter

: For the 10th Anniversary of ''Beast Wars'', [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] retooled the original 1996 Ultra-sized Megatron toy, giving him a new head sculpt and a new paint scheme based upon the appearance of the CGI model used in the ''Beast Wars'' television series.

: The 1996 Ultra-sized Optimus Primal was also retooled and redecoed in the same manner.

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===Beast Wars Telemocha Series===
*'''Megatron''' (Deluxe, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TM-02'''
**''Accessories:'' Claw/tail
[[File:BW Telemocha Megatron.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.66]]
: A redeco of ''Robotmasters'' Megatron, with extensive paint details based upon the larger Ultra class ''Beast Wars Reborn'' reissue. He came packed with a DVD of the Japanese dub version of "[[Equal Measures]]".
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Destron/Megatron/megatron.htm More information on Telemocha Megatron at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BWTelemochaMegatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Running out of caption ideas for same boring things rehashed over and over!]]
*'''DX Megatron''' (Ultra, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TM-SP'''
**''Accessories:'' Two missiles, water squirter

:An extensive show-accurate redeco of the original Ultra-class Megatron mold, even more so than the ''Reborn'' toy—''without'' the recently remolded show-accurate head. He came with a DVD containing the Japanese dub version of the two-part episode "[[The Trigger, Part 1|The Trigger]]".

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===United===
[[File:Unitedtoy-BeastMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Beast Megatron''' (Deluxe, [[2012]]-[[February 25|02-25]])
**''ID number:'' '''UN-31'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun/tail, missile, Jungle Planet Key

:Part of the sixth wave of ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' toys, "Beast Megatron" is a dark purple redeco of the Deluxe-sized ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]]'' Megatron toy, and is the first release of the mold in Japan. It was packaged in a Voyager-class box with a Japanese sticker slapped on that said "limited quantity".

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===Generations===
[[File:BotCon2016toy-Megatron.jpg|right|thumb|300px|This nonsense body.]]
*'''Megatron''' (Ultra Class, 2016)
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles, 2 launchers

:Released as a souvenir figure for [[BotCon 2016]], ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Megatron is a redeco/retool of [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] [[Megatron (RID)#Toys|Megatron/Galvatron]] mold, which was based on an unused concept by [[3H Productions]]. It features a new head and paint scheme based on Transmetal 2 Megatron from the original ''Beast Wars'' cartoon. The snout piece which folds out from under the robot mode head for the original release's bat mode was removed in order to provide clearance for the new head, effectively reducing by one the number of modes to which this release is capable of converting. Despite this, the bat mode is still represented in the (microscopically tiny) instructions.

:The robot mode chest sports a [[Dinobot (BM)|Dinobot]] [[spark crystal]] instead of a Predacon one, possibly because the Dinobot spark crystal is the only version of that tooling which remains. Additionally, the factory neglected to paint the dragon mode's eyes—while accidental, this is fitting since the last time Megatron had a red dragon body, as "Beast Changer" (see above), he was also eyeless in dragon mode. [[Fun Publications]] provided eye stickers and a spark crystal-sized Predacon symbol sticker on that year's [[Magnaboss (BW)#Generations|Magnaboss]] sticker sheet.

:This mold was also used to make ''Timelines'' [[Deathsaurus (Victory)#Timelines|Deathsaurus]].
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===Legends===
[[File:Legendstoy-LG63-G2Megatron.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|]]
*'''G2 Megatron''' ([[2018]]-[[February 24|02-24]])
**''ID number:'' '''LG63'''
**''Accessories:'' Fusion cannon, rifle, Headmaster, [[Noble (BM)#Legends|Noble]] Partner Drone

:''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' G2 Megatron a redeco of the [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Titans Return|''Titans Return'' Voyager Class figure]] in ''Generation 2'' Megatron's "[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Hero|Hero]]" colors. It transforms from robot to tank to plane reminiscent of his [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Machine Wars|''Machine Wars'' counterpart]] and back. Megatron comes with a Headmaster who becomes his head.

:Like all Voyager Class ''Titans Return'' molds, he has a pair of pop-up parts to fill in the area around his head; in this case, a pair of missile racks. This version of the mold retains the retooling that includes a pivoting assembly for better range of movement. Due to the nature of his transformation, it is possible to transform Megatron into tank mode without removing his head.

:His fusion cannon can plug into the short barrel of the tank turret or the rifle/Headmaster vehicle weapon. In an undocumented additional feature, the rifle can be inserted into the front end of the fusion cannon. The fusion cannon can be mounted on his forearm or held by any figure with 5mm hands. It also has a peg hole that an accessory such as his rifle can plug into, with extra square peg holes specifically to hold the rifle in place.

:He comes with [[Noble (BM)#Legends|Noble]], who is redecoed from [[Fangry (G1)#Generations|Fangry]]'s drone accessory.
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===Masterpiece===
*'''Megatron (Beast Wars)''' (201?)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''MP-43'''
**''Accessories'': Laser effect part, smiling face, grinning face, rifle, toothbrush, dinosaur tail/weapon, 2 dinosaur thighs/hip armor pieces, 2 shoulderpads, dinosaur belly/backplate, , base A, base B, base arm, base adapter (beast mode) base adapter (robot mode), base adapter (robot back)
: ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' Megatron transforms to a show accurate robot to a show accurate ''Tyrannosaurus Rex''.
: For accessories, he comes first with extra faceplates: alongside his regular, serious face, he can also have a grinning face and a smiling face. His T-Rex head, similarly to [[Dinobot (BW)#Masterpiece|Dinobot]]'s raptor head, haves two pair of interchangeable eyes, one being full red and the other featuring show-accurate yellow irises and pupils. He also comes with a laser effect part that plugs into the T-Rex mouth, a sniper rifle (as seen in "[[Call of the Wild]]"), and a toothbrush to recreate the scene in "[[Before the Storm]]" where he is seen brushing his T-Rex head/right hand's teeth. To furter recreate the scene, all his dinosaur mode [[kibble]] can be stripped off to complete Megatron's not-fighting look. Finally, he comes with the same stand that came with Dinobot, but with different arm attachments: two are for Megatron's robot and dinosaur modes, while the third is to recreate the scene in "Call of the Wild" where [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] lifts him up, attaching on his back to help keeping him balanced in Optimus's arms.
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==Merchandise==
[[File:Megatronmutatingcard.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game''' (1997)
:Megatron was one of the 24 beast warriors to receive a battle card representation for the Beast Wars [[Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game|card game]].
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===Kabaya candy toys===
*'''Megatron''' (candy toy kit, 1997)

: A tiny plastic Megatron figurine molded onto an irregularly-shaped stand was released by Kabaya. Labeled toy 2 of 6, the other characters in his wave were Dinobot, Cheetor, Rattrap, Optimus Primal, and Rhinox. As always, terrible candy is included.

===Metal Monument===
*'''Metal Monument Megatron''' (TAKARA, 1999)

: As the name suggests, the product is a [[die-cast]] statue of Megatron. The head is convertible/removable in order to change the normal one with the battle mask/mutant head. The [[box art]] and the design of the product are both done by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]].

===Titanium Series===
[[File:Titanium RM BWMegatron.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|I have two heads: My robot mode one, and my dino, who looks really hungry.]]
*'''Beast Wars Megatron''' (3" Robot Master, 2006)
**''Accessories'': Stand

: For the ''Titanium Series'', the initial 3" Megatron toy was based off his 1996 Ultra version. He's kind of squat.

:The toy features five points of articulation, including shoulders and head articulation. His dino-arm even features a 'wrist' and an articulated jaw. Despite his waist being a connection point it does not swivel.

:Megatron features an enormous amount of paint for such a small toy, including cute little red eyes, and paint washes on most of his dinosaur features.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Predacon/TITMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Titanium Series Megatron at TFU.info]''

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===3D Battle-Card Game===
[[File:Megatron Predacon Battle Card.jpg|80px|thumb|"I dare you not to make fun of me."]]
*'''Predacon Megatron''' (2007)

: A 52-point "rare" character in the [[3D Battle-Card Game]]'s "Energon Wars" expansion, Megatron "transforms" into a purple approximation of a ''T. rex''. He uses the same parts layout as [[Grimlock (G1)/toys|Grimlock]] and [[Cruellock]], although his robot mode is assembled differently. Megatron is nominally the leader of the Decepticons in the set.

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===Robot Heroes===
*'''Rattrap vs. Megatron''' (2008)

[[File:Robotheroesmegatronrattrap.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Such a cute megalomaniac.]]
:Part of the "Beast Wars Series," Megatron comes packaged with [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]]. He has the standard shoulders-and-neck articulation.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Predacon/Megatron/megatron.htm More information on Robot Heroes Megatron at TFU.info]''

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*'''Silverbolt vs. Megatron''' (2008)

[[File:Robotheroessilverboltmegatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|He has the Golden Disk, he has the power to change the future, and the only obstacle in the way of his path to unimaginable glory... is being two inches tall.]]
:Part of the "Beast Wars Series," Megatron (based on his Transmetal form) comes packaged with [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]. Megatron holds the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]] in a special tail attachment seen in the episode "[[Code of Hero]]". He has the standard shoulders-and-neck articulation.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Predacon/RHMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Robot Heroes Transmetal Megatron at TFU.info]''

===Tiny Titans===
*'''Beast Wars Megatron''' (2015)
: Part of the third series of Tiny Titans, Beast Wars Megatron is a super-deformed, minimally-painted static figurine that renders Megatron in the artstyle of the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|newer RID cartoon]].
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==Notes==
[[File:BWRConcept35.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Transmetal 2 Megatron's control art. Look! Spark figure! Painful amounts of detail!]]

[[File:OTFCC05-Megatronunused.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Everyone wished this happened. And it has!]]

*Primal's gorilla mode, paired against [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s ''T. rex'' mode, was inspired by the showdown in ''{{w|King Kong}}''.
*The concept art for the original Ultra class figure was largely the same, except in one minor difference: The left arm would have housed an open three clawed hand. The idea of that wouldn't be revisited until the 10th anniversary Deluxe Megatron.
*In a bit of little known trivia, Hasbro originally intended Inferno to be the new body for Megatron. According to [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/b334d45514e26ab4/bc8e54e9165e0823?hl=en&lnk=st&q=bob+forward+interview+inferno+megatron&rnum=1#bc8e54e9165e0823 a 1997 interview conducted by fan HooksX], Bob Forward stated: "For a while there Hasbro was planning to make the Inferno toy the new Megatron. We were going to kill Megatron and bring him back as Inferno."
*Originally, Transmetal 2 Megatron, along with [[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimal Optimus]] and [[Tigerhawk]] were to have small driver-like figures sitting on control chairs located in cockpits on their bodies. These drivers were meant to represent their sparks. But [[Hasbro]] later realized that kids might confuse these spark representations as drivers controlling the robots, so they were abandoned, but the cockpits remain. The spark pilot was eventually used in the Japanese release of [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]].
*A retool of [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] [[Megatron (RID)#Toys|Megatron]] as a post-''Beast Machines'' Megatron was proposed by [[3H Productions|3H]] for OTFCC 2005, but this idea was lost when 3H forfeited the license to [[Fun Publications]]. It would have had a [[Rubber Ducky]] accessory. No, seriously. It would have been that awesome...and then BotCon revived the concept as a pre-''Beast Wars'' Megatron, and the figure was available at [[BotCon 2016]]!
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Megatron (disambiguation)

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Across the [[multiverse]] the name '''Megatron''' invokes fear and terror, exuding raw power with an unslakable thirst for more. A warlord intent on domination, not just of their homeworld but of all worlds... and for some, all of ''existence''.

Some versions of Megatron [[Reformatting|take on]] [[New body|new bodies]] and change their name to '''[[Galvatron (disambiguation)|Galvatron]]''' in the process.

{{bigquote|I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. I am that which is, which was and is yet to come... and you will know my name is Megatron when I lay my vengeance upon you!|The [[Covenant of Primus]]|"[[Nemesis Part 2]]"}}

==Major Megatrons==
<center><gallery widths="150px" heights="200px">
File:Megatronguido.jpg|[[Megatron (G1)|"Generation 1" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel]] • [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cartoon]] • [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW]] • [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Toys]] • [[Megatron (G1)/merchandise|Merchandise]]''
File:MegatronBWsourcebook.jpg|[[Megatron (BW)|"Beast Era" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Cartoon]] • [[Megatron (BW)/toys|Toys]]''
File:RIDMegatronGrippy.jpg|[[Megatron (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' (2001) Megatron]]
File:UnicronTrilogyMegatron cartoon bodies.jpg|[[Megatron (Armada)|"Unicron Trilogy" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Cartoon]] • [[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Toys]]''
File:Movie Megatron Defiance3.jpg|[[Megatron (Movie)|"Movie series" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (Movie)/games|Games]] • [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Toys]]''
File:Megatronanimated.jpg|[[Megatron (Animated)|''Animated'' Megatron]]
File:PrimeMegatron.jpg|[[Megatron (WFC)|"Aligned" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (WFC)/toys|Toys]]''
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Megatrons==
{{disamb|y=[[1984]]|[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], leader and sometimes founder of the [[Decepticon]]s from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].}}
**For this character in [[Marvel Comics continuity]], see [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity]].
**For this character in [[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]], see [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity]].
**For this character in [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]], see [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity]].
**For toys of this character see [[Megatron (G1)/toys]].
**For merchandise of this character see [[Megatron (G1)/merchandise]].
{{disamb|y=[[1987]]|The [[Megatron Corps]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s legion of Megatron [[Cloning|clones]] from [[The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers|''The Transformers'' manga]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1996]]|[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], the leader of a group of renegade [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] from ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' and later the [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicons]] from ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Machines]]''. Yeesss.
**For this character in the cartoons, see [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity]].
**For toys of this character, see [[Megatron (BW)/toys]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1999]]|[[Megatron (myth)|Megatron]], a mythological figure in the [[Covenant of Primus]].}}
{{disamb|y=1999|[[Megatron X]], a mysterious silver-colored version of ''Beast Wars'' Megatron from ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2000]]|[[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]], the [[Predacon (RID)|Predacon]] [[Six Changer|six-changing]] galactic conqueror from the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] franchise.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2002]]|[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], yet another Decepticon commander and a pivotal figure in the [[Unicron Trilogy]].
**For his [[Unicron Trilogy cartoon timeline|cartoon incarnation]], see [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity]].
**For toys of this character, see [[Megatron (Armada)/toys]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2007]]|[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], the former [[Lord High Protector]] of Cybertron who gets a jonesing for the [[AllSpark]] and sparks [[Transformers (film)|a motion picture]].
**For this character in video games, see [[Megatron (Movie)/games]].
**For toys and other merchandise of this character, see [[Megatron (Movie)/toys]]}}
{{disamb|y=2007|[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]], the (glorious) Decepticon leader from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2008]]|[[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]], the morally ambiguous leader of the Decepticons in ''[[Transformers: TransTech|TransTech]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|[[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]], the heroic leader of the Decepticon resistance in ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2010]]|[[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]], the leader of the Decepticons from the [[Aligned continuity family]].
**For toys of this character, see [[Megatron (WFC)/toys]]}}
{{disamb|y=2010|[[Master Megatron]], the other Decepticon-allied Megatron from ''Animated''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2011]]|[[Megatron (SG Animated)|Megatron]], the heroic Decepticon from ''Shattered Glass Animated''.}}
{{disamb|y=2011|[[Megatron (Kre-O)|Megatron]], the Decepticon brick-based being and [[Kreon]] from ''[[Kre-O]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2011|[[Darkside Megatron]], the living embodiment of Generation 1 Megatron's insanity.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2012]]|[[Megatron Cannon]], the Decepticon [[Arms Micron]] from ''Prime''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2013]]|[[Megatron (BWSG)|Megatron]], the heroic leader of the Predacons in ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2014]]|[[Megatron (KOU)|Megatron]], the Decepticon guitarist from ''[[Knights of Unicron (band)|Knights of Unicron]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2014|[[Megatron (Battle Masters)|Megatron]], the Decepticon leader from ''[[Battle Masters]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2015]]|[[Megatron (human)|Megatron]], the [[human]] football player who may or may not have Cybertronian origins.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2017]]|[[Megatron (SG TransTech)|Megatron]], the heroic Decepticon from ''Shattered Glass TransTech''.}}

==Fictions with "Megatron" in the title==
{{disamb|y=[[1985]]|"[[Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1|Megatron's Master Plan]]", the 3-part episode of [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'']].}}
{{disamb|y=1985|"[[Megatron's Fight for Power]]", from [[Ladybird Books]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1995]]|''[[Megatron Set Special CD]]'', the soundtrack album available with [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s second {{w|LaserDisc}} set of the cartoon.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2004]]|"[[Megatron's Sword]]", an episode from the ''[[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Energon]]'' series.}}
{{disamb|y=2004|"[[Megatron Resurrected]]", another episode from the ''Energon'' series.}}
{{disamb|y=2004|"[[Megatron Raid]]", a further episode from the ''Energon'' series.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2005]]|"[[Megatron Ondo]]", the song included on [[Geneon Universal Entertainment|DVD volume 7]] of ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars Returns]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2007|''[[The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin]]'', the 4-issue comic series from [[IDW Publishing|IDW]].}}
{{disamb|y=2007|"[[Transformers Comic issue 2#Prelude: Megatron|Prelude: Megatron]]", the story featured in issue #2 of the [[Titan Books|Titan]] [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|comic]].}}
{{disamb|y=2007|"[[Destron Leader Megatron Black Ver.]]", the [[e-HOBBY]] [[pack-in material]].}}
{{disamb|y=2007|"[[Megatron Chapter]]", part of the ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|"[[Megatron Rising - Part 1|Megatron Rising]]", the 2-part episode of ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]'', the 16-issue "soft reboot" of the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]].}}
{{disamb|y=2008|"[[Starscream Heckles Megatron]]", the ''Animated'' short.}}
{{disamb|y=2008?|"[[Meet Megatron]]", another ''Animated'' short.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2009]]|"[[Transformers Comic issue 24#Megatron's Revenge|Megatron's Revenge]]", the story featured in issue #24 of the Titan comic.}}
{{disamb|y=2010|''[[The Transformers: Best of Megatron|Best of Megatron]]'', the trade paperback collection from IDW.}}
{{disamb|y=2011|"[[A Gift For Megatron]]", the Kre-O animated short.}}
{{disamb|y=2012|"[[Megatron's Revenge]]", the Kre-O animated short.}}
{{disamb|y=2012|"[[Megatron Returns]]", the storybook from [[Bantam Children]].}}
{{disamb|y=2013|"[[Spotlight: Megatron]]", the 28th issue of ''[[The Transformers: Spotlight]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2016|"[[Not All Megatrons]]", the ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' prose story.}}

There are also numerous fictions titled something like "[[Optimus Prime vs Megatron (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime vs Megatron]]".

==See also==
{{disamb|y=[[1989]]|[[Megatron's base]] from the [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''Generation 1'' comics]].}}
{{disamb|y=2004|[[Megatron's castle]] from the [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] ''[[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Generation One]]'' comics.}}
{{disamb|y=2012|The Nike Calvin Johnson Megatron collection, a line of sports equipment inspired by Megatron the human.[http://www.nikeblog.com/2012/11/22/nike-calvin-johnson-megatron-collection/]}}

==Not to be confused with...==
*[[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]], a Decepticon commander who temporarily inhabited Megatron's body (or a version of it, it's complicated) from the ''Generation 1'' comics.
*[[Archforce]], the [[Europe]]an ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'' Decepticon whose toy was released in North America as "Hero" Megatron.
*[[Megatronia]], the combined form of [[Megaempress]] and her [[4 Guards]] from [[Japan]]ese Generation 1 continuity.
*The [[Megatron statue]], a massive stone statue of the Unicron Trilogy character.
*[[Megaplex]], a duplicate of Megatron designed to fool his enemies from the ''Generation 1'' continuity.
*[[Mechatron]], a [[Beast Rider]] from ''Beast Machines''.
*[[Gigatron (disambiguation)|Gigatron]], a different name for Megatron most notably in the [[Viron]] [[universal cluster]].
*[[Megabolt]], a Decepticon fashioned from Megatron's corpse from ''Robots in Disguise'' 2001.
*[[Megazarak (disambiguation)|Characters named Megazarak]].
*[[Metatron]], the angel mentioned in both ancient Cybertronian texts and real-life Talmud, even if at least one Megatron has ''claimed'' to be him.
*Megatronus, the original name of [[The Fallen]], one of the [[thirteen]] [[Dynasty of Primes|original Transformers]] who some Megatrons took their name from.

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave ''Armada'' continuity===
As the leader of one of two main factions of Cybertronians, any given reality's Megatron generally posed a problem for the dimension-hopping destroyer [[Unicron]], and therefore Megatron was a priority target for [[Herald of Unicron|Unicron's heralds]]. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 1 of 4}} While grappling with the [[Megatron (Armada)#Dreamwave Armada continuity|Megatron]] of [[Aurex 402.24 Gamma]], lead herald [[Galvatron (G1)#Dreamwave Armada continuity|Galvatron]] noted to his adversary that he had killed "many" Megatrons. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 3 of 4}}

===''TransTech''===
In one of the oldest dimensions in the [[multiverse]], one [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronian city]], [[Axiom Nexus]], is a hub for travelers from other dimensions. The city maintains its relative harmony through a strict principle of "[[Dux non Intruitus]]": all Megatrons, as well as [[Prime (disambiguation)|Primes]], miscellaneous faction leaders and [[:Category:MacGuffins|MacGuffins]] from other universes, are considered illegal. This hasn't stopped a few [[Megatron (BW)|sneaky]] [[Megatron (Movie)|offworlders]] from circumventing the ban. {{storylink|Bee in the City}} {{storylink|Cybertron's Most Wanted}}

===e-HOBBY comics===
[[Megalligator]] wanted to kill all Megatrons in the multiverse. {{storylink|Cybertron Convobat}}

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== Voice Actors listed on separate episodes ==

Why don't we have voice actors listed on separate episodes? Also does anyone know if Transformers: Portal came out yet? [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 13:59, 7 November 2017 (EST)
:I don't think there's been a specific discussion, but since it's rare for characters to have different voice actors in different episodes, it would cause a lot of clutter for not a lot of gain. If someone wants to see who voiced a particular character, they can generally just go to the character's page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:57, 7 November 2017 (EST)
:[[Transformers: Portal|http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Portal]] Rudimentary since there is next to no coverage in English. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:55, 7 November 2017 (EST)
::Yeah, that's true. And regarding Transformers: Portal, they ''did'' actually start making episodes. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 19:06, 7 November 2017 (EST)

== Vote on "other versions of character" sections ==

So the "example versions" of these sections has been up for a while now with nothing being done about them, so we should probably decide one way or the other whether we're using them. I definitely feel very strongly that these sections at the bottoms of articles would be very positive for accessibility and people being able to quickly find other versions of the character that they've been reading about — after all, there's no real difference between [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]], [[Demolishor (WFC)|Demolishor]], and [[Demolisher]], and they are ''inarguably'' the same "character" in a way that [[Demolishor (ROTF)]] isn't. There's three options for what we can do:
* [[Slug (AOE)#Other continuities|Jalaguy's galleries]]
* [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)#See also|My "see also" bullet-lists]]
* Keep things as they are and just have users rely on the disambiguation pages
I vote for the bullet lists, since they're unobtrusive and can still be used when a character has no images available. [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/page-442#entry3619900 This Allspark post] by M Sipher sums up my feelings pretty well. Anyone else? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:39, 8 November 2017 (EST)
:I vote keep things as is. While the current system isn't perfect, I think this sort of disambiguation is best left to the...disambiguation pages. It is why they exist. Having a separate section for a DIFFERENT form of disambiguation at the bottom of the article opposing the regular disambiguation links at the top makes no sense to me. I think a better option would be to improve the "new user utility" of the existing disambig pages. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:38, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I say keep things the way it is. For the same reason Xaaron stated above. I think those "Other versions" sections should only be for characters with different spellings. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 15:49, 8 November 2017 (EST)
:I'd prefer to keep things as they are. If we have to go with one of those two though I prefer the bullet-lists for being less obtrusive. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 15:53, 8 November 2017 (EST)

:I think I would like the bullet list version if it was slightly more eyecatching, like in a template box of some sort:
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Wreck-Gar have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] Autobot from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] continuity family.
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:as a rough example. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:59, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::Ooh, ooh, yes, I like this. It fixes the one reservation I had with the bullet list, which was eye-catching-ness.
::And I maintain that disambiguation pages really don't severe the purpose that this proposal was originally intended for - helping the uninformed user find about other-continuity versions of the character they've just read about. The link to a disambiguation is very easily glossed over (who can honestly say that they read through every header note and template before beginning the intro paragraph?), and they're set up entirely for their primary purpose, which is getting you from the search box to the right article. If you want to find alt-universe versions of a character, you'd have to manually dig through the list to see which are actually the same guy and which are different guys with the same name. You could rework disambig pages, but that'd make them worse at their primary job. An end-of-article list of alt versions of the specific character hurts nobody and helps the uniformed reader sort through the morass to other content they'll be interested in. The way I see it, there's no downside. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:37, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I'd also like to quickly add that I solicited feedback on the proposal from TFWiki Tumblr followers a while back (on the basis that they're reasonably likely to be in the "got-into-TFs-relatively-recently" demographic that this is intended to help), and got plenty of "yeah, this would be helpful for me" feedback. The proposal ''will'' help people, and I don't see what ''harm'' it could possibly do, so...? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:55, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::Ooh. Yesyesyes to this. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:39, 8 November 2017 (EST)

:I like the idea of a shortcut it will save a little time. But it also may reduce traffic, because people won't look at other interesting pages in the disambiguation. The gallery is a little cluttered. In any case, I also made made my own version:

{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Wreck-Gar have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] Autobot from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] continuity family.
|header=You look familiar...
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:—[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 16:26, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I dig this one with the double Dinobots; we only need one, and the image is very immediately clear at that small size (well we could probably crop it tighter and brighten it a bit but still). I ABSOLUTELY think we should have this given the name-reassigning/changing that this franchise is nostrils-deep in that makes Disambig pages not terribly ideal for finding these kind of doppelgangers. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:00, 8 November 2017 (EST)

I like this idea of using a template. I've made my own that could be used for bigger charcters, while LiegeDecado's can be used for smaller characters. Just an idea though.
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Bumblebee have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], the yellow [[kid-appeal character]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], the voiceless yellow one-man franchise from the [[live-action film series]].
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], the yellow kid-appeal character from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.
|header=All too similar...
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[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 17:22, 8 November 2017 (EST)

Personally, I think that if we do this bullet point image, we should use the Crisis on Infinite Hot Rods image from RG1, as it probably best illustrates the concept we're dealing with here (maybe crop it a little bigger or something). It probably wouldn't ''hurt'' to link to the disambiguation at the bottom, either, something like this....

{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Bumblebee have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], the yellow [[kid-appeal character]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], the voiceless yellow one-man franchise from the [[live-action film series]].
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], the yellow kid-appeal character from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.
''For more information, see [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)]]''
|header=You look familiar...
|image_name=RG1 93 rodimii.jpg
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I strongly prefer the look of the gallery version. It's a perfect visual cap-off at the bottom of the page, it's attention-getting in a way that neither looks like clutter nor will be overwhelmed by large Notes sections, and it gives you a visual to compare all these different versions, which is information in itself.
The bullet template strikes me as very strange, showing unrelated character X alongside a list of versions of character Y. The images convey the information much more strikingly. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 01:45, 9 November 2017 (EST)

:Maybe we can do both?
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Alternate versions of Slug have appeared in other [[continuity family|continuity families]], including:
<gallery widths="100px" heights="150px">
File:Dinobot Hunt Slag.jpg|[[Slag (G1)|"Generation 1" Slag]]
File:TFAnimated Snarl.jpg|[[Snarl (Animated)|''Animated'' Snarl]]
File:FOC-Slugart.jpg|[[Slug (FOC)|''Fall of Cybertron'' Slug]]
File:Adventureart-Slug.jpg|[[Slug (Adventure)|''Adventure'' Slug]]
</gallery>
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:—[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 10:29, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::If we did it as a gallery in a template like this, the picture of the Rodimuses is unnecessary and it'd look much better without it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:47, 9 November 2017 (EST)
I still don't see the value doing these things in addition to the disambig pages, instead of improving the disambig pages to better convey the same information. Having both doesn't feel "new reader friendly". Having two different types of disambig for a character, in two different locations, makes it MORE likely a new reader will spot one and not the other, or not understand the difference between the two disambigs without greater study...which just isn't a good set-up to help them find info quickly and easily.
Why can't the disambig page just be renovated to list:
:--> Here's Slag (G1)
:-- --> Here's the characters based on Slag (regardless of name)
:--> Here's the other uses of Slag unrelated to Slag (G1)
And as a matter of aesthetics, I think using the same basic template for this that we use for when people screw up or something is missing is a bad idea too. When I see boxes like that on a page, I automatically think "stub" article, and my instinct is to do something to remove them. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:55, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::The problem with that approach is that it risks making the disambigs ''worse'' at their main job. If you ''are'' looking for Slag the rando nameslap guy, that's just made it a whole lot harder on the person. And since disambigs are geared around names, not characters, you'd end up with weird situations - under your approach, [[Hot Rod (disambiguation)]] and [[Rodimus (disambiguation)]] would basically end up being the same page twice. Disambigs are primarily a functional tool, they exist to act as a signpost to get people from point A to B. I would wager that almost nobody is clicking through to disambig pages from character pages, because that's not really what they're for, and they call no attention to themselves, an easily glossed-over link at the very top of the article. The point of this proposal is to facilitate wiki-walking and exploration, to be a "you might also be interested in" section. We ''could'' change disambigs to lean more in that direction, but that's gonna make disambigs poorer signposts. I just don't see what there is to lose here. Disambigs will still exist as the same name directories they always have. The person who, for some reason, is searching for Classics Mini-Con Thunderwing will still get there. But the person who just read about G1 Thunderwing and wonders if they've been in other continuities doesn't have to manually click through a list every Thunderwing to find out which ones are nameslaps and which ones aren't.
::I do agree that the template approach could do with a newer design to differentiate it from needs work templates though, that's a really good point. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:16, 9 November 2017 (EST)

::I see disambiguations most often when I'm searching for a character, and I usually end up clicking on a lot of links. But that's on purpose, an helps me explore. These menus would be a nice shortcut—it's sort of like narrowing down the dismbiguation to a similar set of characters. the disambigs are great, the template would just be adding on. Also, it may look like less of an error box if it has a white background. —[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 13:49, 9 November 2017 (EST)
The more images added to this thing, the uglier and clunkier it looks. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 13:58, 9 November 2017 (EST)
:Agreed. I think we should use the Rodimus one Repowers created. You know, the one with just text. It would take up less space, be less intrusive but create a shortcut for users trying to look for another version. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 15:29, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::I like that version as well, though with some formatting to ensure that a longer list doesn't wrap around the image (since that looks really ugly). -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:20, 9 November 2017 (EST)
:Also, not everyone who'd get one of these yet HAS an image, or one good enough to use. Aligned Wreck-Gar, for example. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:19, 10 November 2017 (EST)

[[User:TheLiegeDecado/Sandbox|I made a sandbox with a template, go ahead and edit it.]] —[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 17:27, 10 November 2017 (EST)

BUMP!
Anyone still interested in this? Someone removed the one from Slag (G1) along with some other edits. I have restored this gallery for now, but if we are going to do this we need to get it going. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:48, 16 May 2018 (EDT)

{{User:TheLiegeDecado/Sandbox
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|body=
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] [[Autobot]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]], the worthless wreck/walking pile of garbage from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family]].}}

:How do people feel about this take? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:44, 16 May 2018 (EDT)
::Works for me, I suppose. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:28, 17 May 2018 (EDT)
Still opposed to the idea. Same reasons as last year. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 08:40, 17 May 2018 (EDT)

Thinking more on this, would it be better if it matched the other templates we have for navigating between similar articles?
{{chapters
|title=Versions of Wreck-Gar|style=1
|content=
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Generation 1]]
*[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Animated]]
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Aligned]]
For more information, see [[Wreck-Gar (disambiguation)]].
}} --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:53, 17 May 2018 (EDT)
:So, since Riptide thought to tell the AllSpark she was going to implement her version today unless anyone stopped her, I feel the need to do more than just re-sign my previous objection.
:Using two different, somewhat-overlapping versions of a disambiguation list is not intuitive for new visitors. Having the disambig link at top and this box at the bottom scatters information that should be all together in one place. Further, the difference between "Characters named Slag" and "Characters derived from the traditional Slag character template" is a very nuanced distinction that visitors won't immediately understand. I can easily see people finding one of the two disambigs and not the other, then getting confused when they're sure some other form of Slag exists but they're not finding it in ''that'' disambig (of 2). I mean...disambigs are an index. You don't have multiple competing indexes for the same resource.
:If people do insist on implementing this, though, I strongly suggest using a different template format than the one we use for stubs, warnings, and broken content. That template format is a '''''bad''''' thing when you see it anywhere else on this wiki. An informative resource link like a disambig should look different. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 17:10, 17 May 2018 (EDT)

:I don't like that a lot - it's not very eyecatching or informative - but it's better than nothing. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:06, 17 May 2018 (EDT)
::This is... well, it's not exactly furniture-shuffling, but it is buying furniture that we don't need. It's a solution that's looking for a problem. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:26, 17 May 2018 (EDT)
:::Just to clarify my position: I don't really see the need for these. I only restored the one that was removed as this discussion had not reached a clear conclusion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:38, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::I legit don't get the arguments against some implementation of this. It's an exploration-y "you might also be interested in" thing, not a technical index thing like disambiguation pages. I've had casual users saying "ooh, yes, that would be helpful" to me. Like I've said in the past, dismabigs are very bad at helping you find all the other continuities a character has appeared in, and making them better at that would make them worse at their main job of getting you to the right page after a search. I mean, geez, if suddenly a bunch of people turn up confused on talk pages we ''could'' undo it all again if we wanted. That being said, I do kinda agree with Xaaron's point about the template style. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 11:53, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::Okay, look at it this way. If I am reading an article about character named "Skrankotron (Hoodaddy)" and I see a link to "Skrankotron (disambiguation)" I would find it most likely that anything on that page is another version of this character. If I am really into Skrankotron I would click on it and follow the links to my hearts content. Yeah, this franchise sometimes has "name-drop" characters who are nothing like the "archetype", but they are few and far between and getting less common. If there are characters that are blatantly derived from the same archetype (like the Slag, Slug, Slog examples) put a big honking note on there like "Characters basically identical to Skrankotron have sometimes been called Skrilloplex or Sharomus Magnus" with links to those pages. I don't see why you would need a secondary disambig on each character page when the disambiguation pages should be doing this already. I do see the point of putting a "for similar characters see "Skrankotron (disambiguation)" link on Skrilloplex and Sharomus Magnus, though. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:29, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::[[Demolishor (disambiguation)|Demolishor]]. [[Scourge (disambiguation)|Scourge]]. [[Broadside (disambiguation)|Broadside]]. [[Knockout (disambiguation)|Knockout]]. There's plenty of characters whose names have been nameslapped multiple times, and it hurts nobody to add a little widget saying "hey, these are the name reuses (or differently-named characters) that ARE basically the same guy". I mean, Jalaguy literally ''asked'' the TFWiki Tumblr's followers - probably the best metric for polling casual viewers we've got - and got an overwhelmingly positive response. With that in mind, how can you say it wouldn't be useful for casual readers? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:55, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, chaotic disambigs like that are what inspired me back when I first brought up this proposal. Situations where there's a big list of name uses and the only way to work out which ones are versions of the character you're interested in is to manually click through to each article in turn. No harm in doing that legwork ahead of time for the curious user, surely? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 15:09, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::::My opinion, and what seems to be Khajidha's, isn't that we're against doing this ''at all''. It's about doing this separate from the existing disambig page, linked at opposite ends of an article. Isn't there a way to accommodate doing this form of disambig, but doing it ON the disambig page, like when we added the "Major Optimus Primes" image references? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:14, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::See, I don't see the point of ''that''. Like, what would that involve? A note on the disambig page that "only X, X and X are versions of X character"? Why put it there instead of on the page for, say, Prime Knock Out, so that someone reading about that character can see "oh, I've finished reading the information on Knock Out, but I see that he also appeared in G1 and Animated". --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:20, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::::::That's what the disambig pages already do, and specifically for Knock Out too. Are you concerned people won't find this information unless it's on the same page as the character's article? Because (correct me if I'm wrong), but it feels like we're arguing over the difference between "seeing it" and "clicking the disambig link and ''then'' seeing it". --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:42, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::::Yep, Xaaron, we are in agreement on all of that.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:01, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::::::::Listen, don't consider this a vote, but the disambiguation pages ''don't'' simply do that. They just contain a list of characters with the same name. Like I've got a video about Nemesis Prime dropping this weekend, right? So while doing my research I naturally checked the disambig page for him and his "evil twin" archetypes with different names. And on them, it says things like he "should not be confused with Scourge." Except - '''yes''', they absolutely '''should''' be confused with him, because they are the '''same thing''' that had it's name changed. All the disambigs do is disambiguate the ''name'' - they don't disambiguate the ''actual character''. "Sharpshot" ''should'' be confused with "Shrapnel." Hardshell ''should'' be confused with "Bombshell." Outback ''should'' be confused with "Fallback" because they're the ''same thing'', but instead they're thrown in at the end of the disambig page under "see also," set on the same level as "characters whose names sound a bit like this one" who they genuinely shouldn't be confused with. There is a distinction between "character" and "name" that the disambiguation pages are ''not'' making, and that's what this is intended to address. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 17:38, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::::::I feel like updating the disambig pages would be a better solution than creating a second disambig template that goes at the end of the article where most people wouldn't see it. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:56, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
::::::::::::::I completely agree with Chris. And I completely agree with Dark T. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 18:01, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::I didn't see this until now but I agree that revamping the disambiguation pages in these cases would be a better solution. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 15:41, 28 May 2018 (EDT)

== Rename User ==

I was thinking about activating this extension since every so often it comes up that someone wants to change their username but can't. Does anyone have any objections? I'll ask in the thread on the AllSpark too, as soon as I can get the AllSpark to actually load (is it broken for anyone else?) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:52, 2 December 2017 (EST)
:It’s been broken for me almost all day (Also, been wanting change my name for a while) [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] ([[User talk:Jcbynum1|talk]]) 00:20, 3 December 2017 (EST)
::I'd be all for it; been trying to consolidate my usernames across most fandom-based platforms for a while now. I can't see the harm, especially if it's admin-initiated. [[User:Magaroja|Doc Chloroplast]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 11:03, 5 December 2017 (EST)

Just to clarify in case there's any confusion: the RenameUser extension won't allow users to rename themselves directly - rather they'll need to ask an admin to rename them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:23, 4 December 2017 (EST)

No reason not to allow this, is there? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 12:52, 7 December 2017 (EST)
:I say go for it. [[User:West james|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 17:22, 7 December 2017 (EST)
::I've just renamed Notirishman to test it and it looks like it worked perfectly, so thumbs up! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:14, 8 December 2017 (EST)

== Allspark Forums down ==
PSA to all interested: Alas, the Allspark's server is currently down and our server company doesn't do standard maintenance on weekends. You can try [http://temp.allspark.com/index.php?showtopic=2455 this temporary site] in the interim and check back on Monday to see if the site is back up. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:35, 3 December 2017 (EST)

== Is this the holy grail for Famicom How to Manga: Transformers Mystery of Convoy? ==

I have found this on TF RAW page:

[http://tfraw.blogspot.mx/p/mystery-of-convoy.html Famicom How to Manga: Transformers Mystery of Convoy at TF RAW]

Is this one of the items in the holy grail section?

[[User:EDDIE-X|EDDIE-X]] ([[User talk:EDDIE-X|talk]]) 20:29, 28 December 2017 (EST)

== Samoa Joe ==

Hi! I'd like to start a page for Samoa Joe (Nuufolau Joel Seanoa, voice of ''Power of the Primes'' Predaking), but I don't have clearance to do so. How can I get this clearance?

--[[User:TomServo88|TomServo88]] ([[User talk:TomServo88|talk]]) 16:21, 9 January 2018 (EST)
: Not necessary; someone beat you to it. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:28, 9 January 2018 (EST)

== Pete's Robot Convention 2018 ==

Should we consider customization class POTP Shattered Glass Swoop or Double Pretender Gears as official figures or not since Pete's Robot Convention isn't endorsed by HasTak? They are using HasTak and Funpub molds (whom the latter lost the license) so I am not so sure. So should we list them under toys or in the notes like Action Master G2 Breakdown? [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:26, 13 January 2018 (EST)
:Those are no different from any other unofficial fan customs repainted from official molds that we don't cover here. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 08:24, 14 January 2018 (EST)

== Downtime ==

Our web host has to do some maintenance to mitigate the recently discovered CPU vulnerabilities. The Wiki will therefore unavoidably be unavailable for a period of time at 2am and 7am UTC on the 15th. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:45, 14 January 2018 (EST)

== Merging the Alpha Trion pages (or: "Grandpa Convergence") ==

Considering that the Hasbro position going forwards seems to be using "member of the Thirteen" as Alpha Trion's primary role, I propose that we apply the same standards to him as we do our other Thirteen articles and merge the various versions into a single page. Considering that we've already had a pre-Aligned source that claims that all Alpha Trions are basically the same, I think it's a good idea to bend our rules and consider them the same sort of "general archetype" as the Fallen, Prima, et al.

The two main issues I expect:
*"He has a ''Shattered Glass'' version, so it'd be silly to have him one one page!" - [[Unicron/Shattered Glass|So does Unicron]]. I figure we'd apply the same standards.
*"He was never a multiversal singularity!" - Neither were Amalgamous, Quintus or Alchemist, and we still combine their Aligned and IDW incarnations.

I'd also like to note that, as it stands, the [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] who is most notable for being one of the Thirteen doesn't get to have the Alpha Trion Prime Master on his page. Thoughts? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:26, 17 January 2018 (EST)
:If we need to have consistency, I think it's simpler to just apply our standard organization to the rest of the Thirteen and the gods instead of forcing G1 A3 into a format that basically ignores 30 years of his history. Optimus Prime is basically the same guy across families and sometimes one of the Thirteen, but we're not merging them all. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:56, 17 January 2018 (EST)
::Optimus's sitch is different in that he doesn't seem to be part of The Official List Of Thirteen, which is twelve dudes plus whatever a given piece of fiction wants the super special Thirteenth Prime to be. I don't think it'd be ignoring his history; the opening paragraph doesn't even have to mention his Thirteeniness, it can just say that he's one of the oldest living Cybertronians. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:46, 17 January 2018 (EST)

Having mulled this matter for some time, I have come around to Riptide’s position. Alpha Trion indeed has, on a relative scale, almost no variation in his characterization and design despite debuting long before multiversal singularities and continuing even afterwards. And as Riptide says, Hasbro blurring the lines between continuity families means that there is user-unfriendly thematic dissonance for us to not link G1-based ''Power of the Primes'' Landmine / Alpha Trion to Aligned Alpha Trion, who pioneered the concept. As for ''Shattered Glass'' Alpha Trion, he can just use a sub-page as is the case with ''Shattered Glass'' Primus and Unicron. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:14, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

Anyone? No one wants to comment further? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:41, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
:I'm obviously still in favour. (And, you know, Trion WAS a multiversal singularity for a bit.) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:01, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
::So are we doing this? [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:52, 2 July 2018 (EDT)
:::I'm against it. They're not literally the same individual, so they should have separate pages just like anyone else. [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 21:07, 2 July 2018 (EDT)

== Create a list of 3rd party products. ==

There are a lot of third party products that are better than the official products such as Alien Attack Dino or Unique toys Peru Kill Lockdown, but we don't have a list of those.If you go to Dino page in the section of toys you only find the official ones (Hasbro and Takara) but why don't we put also Alien Attack Dino. It´s just a suggestion and this will help to expand the wiki. [[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] ([[User talk:Crosshairs|talk]]) 17:00, 17 January 2018 (EST)Crosshairs
:TFWiki is a wiki about official Transformers products and media, and 'third party' toys aren't official. We have [[IP infringing item|an article]] to cover the ''phenomenon'', as we do many other TF-related fandom concepts like [[fan fiction]] or [[toy swapping]], but TFWiki will never, ever document 'third party' toys in the way we do official ones. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 17:01, 17 January 2018 (EST)
:: In fact, we have TWO [[knockoff|articles]] examining the phenomenon at a broader level, but this wiki's focus always has been and always will be on official material. If you really want to look for examples, there's plenty of links on the Knockoff page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:15, 17 January 2018 (EST)

== Optimus vs. Malignus cardart ==

I previously posted this in the holy grails talk page, but since not many people are going to check that out, I'm reposting it here. Anyways, [[:Image:CarreraCardArt.JPG|is this what you're looking for?]] I found it in a TFW2005 thread about rare Transformers. If any of you have found it already, then sorry... [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 08:31, 23 January 2018 (EST)
:Unfortunately, it's the original art that's needed - the cards themselves are too low-quality. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:26, 23 January 2018 (EST)
::I'd still say that this is a worthwhile image to have. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:25, 23 January 2018 (EST)
:::Sometimes a low quality image is better than nothing at all! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 12:36, 23 January 2018 (EST)
::::As for the source of the image, [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/show-us-something-rare-from-g1-and-g2-only-and-we-rate-it-rare-or-not.222565/page-30#post-8043067 here it is]. Unfortunately, due to Photobucket now forcing its users to pay $399 yearly for third-party hosting, the image doesn't show up anymore. However, by viewing the source code using Internet Explorer, I managed to find the URL of the image. Although the image didn't display if I tried to view it on my PC, it managed to show up when I inputted the URL into my phone's browser! [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 13:42, 24 January 2018 (EST)

== POTP artwork ==

In my personal opinion, the artwork used for the ''Power of the Primes'' packaging is ''absolutely stunning'' How would you guys like it if some of them became the header images on their respective character pages? Personally, I think yes, but I would like your thoughts on it. If you agree, tell me which ones do you think should get the treatment. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 16:59, 19 February 2018 (EST)
:I think it's tricky because the PotP artwork, while really nice, is always a representation of that specific toy. In my opinion, a good mainpic should be a clear representation of the character that isn't tied to a particular toy or incarnation. That said, I think all five Terrorcons' mainpics would be better as the PotP images (especially Rippersnapper - why is his mainpic just his alt-mode?) and Windcharger and Tailgate's too (as his IDW incarnation has entirely overshadowed his Marvel G1 version, methinks). [[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 04:31, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::I agree with the whole clear representaion part of being a good mainpic. And for the Terrorcons, their art have all of them (except good ol' Rippy) ''only'' in their beast mode, so that doesn't work if you show discontent of having their at mode as their main pic (which could work cuz they are unique to the character). And how about Dreadwind, Darkwing, Firestar, and Moonracer? Their main pics seem ''too'' G1-esque in my opinion. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 09:44, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::"Characters often have multiple bodies, so the main image should generally be their original "real world" form, and as full-body as possible. " --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:50, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::POTP art shows the full-body. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:02, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::::But it is not of their original forms. Except for Slash. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:08, 20 February 2018 (EST)
Oh. Whoops. Didn't actually re-check the PotP artwork, so if it doesn't fix the alt-mode-only problem then there's no point. On a related note, I'm going to work on cropping proper-resolution Marvel profile artwork from Classics Vol. 8 to replace the fuzzy-looking ones we already have on here in the meantime. Do we have access to clean versions of the Legends game / collector card style artwork? Seems like another thing to look into. But yes, the Powermaster/Elita 1 etc mainpics that we have are the clearest representations of their designs I've seen. Just need better resolution, maybe.[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 10:36, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:Really? Dreadwind and Darkwing just have G1 boxart... ''that looks exactly'' like the G1 toy. Blocky and all. Moonracer and Firestar just have their G1 cartoon models. That doesn't really scream "a clear representation of the character that isn't tied to a particular toy or incarnation". [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 11:19, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::Doesn't matter because those aren't the guidelines. Those are Wadapan's opinions on what the guidelines should be. What I posted was taken directly from our [[Help:Example character article]].--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:26, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::With permission to change Dreadwind, Darkwing, Moonracer, Firestar, Tailgate, and/or Windcharger? [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 11:46, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::Considering that 1) there's only the three of us discussing this and 2) such replacement is against the guideline I quoted, the answer is no. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:58, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::::How is it against the guidelines? [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 12:05, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::::Because that artwork is based on the new toys and not on the character's actual first design.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:34, 20 February 2018 (EST)
:::My bad, didn't realise we had such specific guidelines. Sorry to co-opt this thread, but I've uploaded the Classics version of [[Afterburner (G1)|Afterburner]]'s TFU profile art as an example for how the others would change. They all seem fuzzy and washed-out to me at the minute. My questions are:
:::*Do we want to include the vehicle mode? It's been done previously on some pages, but not on others.
:::*Do people actually prefer how the newer version looks?
:::--[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:14, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::Understood Khajida. I also didn't know we had such specific guidelines. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 14:47, 20 February 2018 (EST)
::::Wadapan, the newer version definitely looks better, as for if we need vehicle mode, I'd say its not necessary, but I could be wrong. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 14:50, 20 February 2018 (EST)

== Listing the Thirteen ==

So, this is related to my Alpha Trion suggestion above, but I figured it's big enough to warrant its own section. In short: the way we present [[Thirteen#Members|the members of the Thirteen]] right now is kind of a mess. It gives the impression that the "Multiversal Thirteen" list is the "true" version and that Aligned and IDW are weird aberrations, rather than the CoP list being the "official Hasbro-approved Thirteen" and the AVP list being a bunch of names created in the knowledge that the concept was soon going to be disposed of altogether - and while that's technically the correct way to do things under the "everything is canon" principle, it's kind of unintuitive and difficult, so I think we should apply the "but some canon is more equal than others" policy. Similarly, it acts like the IDW Thirteen are different to the Aligned Thirteen, when they have the same lineup; certainly, they're less different than the IDW Pretenders to the Marvel Pretenders.

As such, I've created a mock-up of a [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Thirteen members|new version]] of the "Members" section of the Thirteen's page. My core intent was:
*Making clear that the Covenant Thirteen were the "official Thirteen" being used by Hasbro;
*Establishing that the Thirteenth Prime varies within uses of the Covenant Thirteen, but is always "special";
*Explaining that the true identities of the Multiversal Thirteen were ambiguous;
*Removing the redundant IDW list, which would be better served just explaining how the IDW Primes differ from the Covenant in the IDW fiction section.
*''Not'' removing any information that isn't covered elsewhere on the page.
Now, if we were to use this as the Alpha Trion pages are now, we would have to say that the "core" Thirteen contain either [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] or [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]], which is patently ridiculous... so I ''also'' created a sandbox for [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Alpha Trion|an overview page for Alpha Trion]], which - in the name of length - would link out to separate Generation 1 and Shattered Glass sub-pages as the [[Unicron]] page does. (I'd like to point out that Ask Vector Prime did [[Ask_Vector_Prime/Facebook_src#July_28.2C_2015|establish]] that, for a short time, Alpha Trion ''was'' a multiversal singularity.)

Thoughts? Feedback? Whether my proposal is used or not, I ''do'' feel very strongly that the current Thirteen page is sub-optimal, and so I'd like to hear other proposals as how to improve it. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:26, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
:From what I'm seeing so far of what you have done, I think that this will be better than the current setup, as the TFWiki is to inform, and tghis helps readers ease into the subject matter. While, I have nothing to add on, I can say this is a good idea with good execution. On another note, on your new Alpha Trion page is also good in my book. And one question, will we change the [[Template:Thirteen]] along with this? I presume 'yes', correct, because I see no reason why not? [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:41, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
:I disagree with your purpose(s), your reasoning, and your execution.
:(1) "Official Hasbro-approved Thirteen" is nonsense. We don't list things by "most prominent", we list them chronologically. And, chronologically, the Multiversal Thirteen was the only Thirteen that existed for eight years. I strongly disapprove of any organization scheme that says "''Oh, these guys were a thing once, but here's the more topically important guys you should be focusing on.''" This is for the same reason we don't put prominent fictions like IDW towards the top of pages, or put ''Revenge of the Fallen'' at the topic of the Fallen's fiction section, since waaaay more people saw the movie than ever read Dreamwave. The Thirteen, in particular, is such a confusing tale that laying things out chronologically helps explain how the concept unfolded.
:(2) The true identities of the Multiversal Thirteen are only ambiguous under the most technical and pedantic viewing of the information. We were given a list of Thirteen characters. It would be hampering the information we were given to "Well, technically..." it to death.
:(3) I agree with combining and generalizing the descriptions of the Aligned and IDW Thirteen.
:(4) I don't remotely understand how it's "unintuitive and difficult" to understand the difference between the Multiversal and Aligned lists, and why it requires us to make exceptions to the rules. Please explain that better. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:40, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
::Actually, Xaaron does make a good point. However, I think it is general consensus that the Thirteen page needs to be improved for reader's ease and organization sake. This is where I think the rest of your plans should fit in. [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:23, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
::It's funny that you bring up the Fallen, because he's a case where we ''do'' break our rules - his mainpic is of his ROTF design rather than his Dreamwave design, because it's ''so'' absurdly more notable. I don't really see how you can argue that the internally-created-by-Hasbro list of Thirteen that has been used in two TV shows, a major comic series and one of Hasbro's flagship toylines is somehow equally or less important than the list of Thirteen that was created by a licensee as a bit of fanwank and was used for a few Facebook posts. Like, it doesn't even compare. We ''do'' [[Help:Ignore_all_standards|ignore all standards]] in cases where it would make things clearer for the audience, and acting like the AVP Thirteen matter as much as the Covenant Thirteen does ''not'' make things clearer for the reader. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:37, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:::Actually, I'm not arguing that the Multiversal are more/equally important, I'm arguing that "importance" isn't relevant. But regardless, what about something completely different instead of preserving the current basic set-up? Something closer to the multi-universal Wreckers page?
:::Keep the conceptual history at the top to maintain a chronological explanation of the concept as it developed. Then include Wrecker-style membership lists at the top of each Fiction section for Multiversal (and subcategories), Aligned, IDW, etc.
:::These member lists could include minimal or no descriptions of the individual Thirteen so they can be stacked two or three columns across like the Wreckers. I feel descriptions of the Thirteen were more important when they had little to no outside fiction to draw upon. Now that they're their own characters with their own toys, etc., descriptions aren't needed.
:::Is that a compromise we can build from? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:14, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
::::Well, I certainly would want to keep the conceptual history in the first place - which is part of why I think we can afford to ''not'' put the member list in technical chronological order! I wouldn't be opposed to Wrecker-style membership lists in the fiction sections IN ADDITION to the general "Members" section, but I do feel like laying out who the "core Thirteen" are is... kind of important. I dunno, maybe you don't! --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:21, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:::::I don't. I really don't. I disagree with even referring to them as "the core Thirteen". I think you're confusing "now" with "core". There isn't a core Thirteen, in my mind, just a current Thirteen for whatever fiction you're following. The reason my mind went to the Wreckers page is, just because there are a "core" Wreckers (the seven toys from Marvel UK's first story) and "current" Wreckers (IDW's more expansive team), doesn't mean either get preference over the others on the Wiki page.
:::::And despite your insistence, even ''now'' Hasbro isn't sticking with a single "core Thirteen" list. They've already backed off from the Covenant, turning Optimus Prime into "The Arisen" for IDW. The Titans Return cartoon mentioned Sentinel Prime instead of following the Covenant. Even the Prime Master toys haven't managed to put out all 13 Thirteen. No version of the Thirteen listed by Hasbro since the Covenant of Primus has ''stuck'' with the CoP list perfectly.
:::::I know you feel people are over-emphasizing the AVP-listed Thirteen (which is ironic, considering your opinions during the AVP period). But I feel you are over-emphasizing the CoP Thirteen, when even Hasbro isn't following that list ''precisely''. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:02, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
::::::I feel like the "core Thirteen" ''are'' more cohesive than you're giving credit for. The Arisen and the POTP "whoever holds the Matrix" take are clearly reinterpretations of "Optimus as the Thirteenth"... and frankly, I think the mention of Sentinel is more a matter of poor research than indicative of Hasbro's feelings on the membership of the Thirteen. But, you know, we can't agree on everything. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:18, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:I do think that merging the Aligned and IDW sections is a good idea, as is making clear that they're the main "Hasbro approved" Thirteen. I think the "Multiverse" Thirteen should still have their own section separate from the "Other Members" section, I'm not sure what to name it though or whether it should go before or after the "Hasbro" Thirteen. I'm fairly neutral on the merging of Alpha Trion's pages, but if we do go through with that I think we should link out the Aligned section as a sub-page as well. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 05:51, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

Chiming in to digress and say I absolutely disagree with merging the Alpha Trions and think the idea of having the individuals have one article each regardless of continuity family was a terrible one. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:So, to be clear, you'd rather that, say, Vector Prime had separate "Vector Prime (Cybertron)", "Vector Prime (WFC)", "Vector Prime (G1)", and "Vector Prime (Transtech)" articles? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:19, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
::Yes. I don't really consider them different from any other character in this respect. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:32, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:::Huh, there is no way we can satisfy everyone, eh? and its hard to say whats best for the wiki as there aren't even enough people participating in the conversation to give an opinion. If you want my opinion, Riptide, I agree with the way you had it on the sandbox page, but that's just my opinion. I'm also on board for the Alpha Trion merge. If there's one thing I would change is to change 'Main members' and 'core members' to 'Current members,' as generally that is more clear-cut and to-the-point than 'core members.' [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 21:44, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
::::So what's our verdict, eh? [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 16:42, 26 April 2018 (EDT)

===A revised proposal===
So, I've taken the various bits of criticism into account, and [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Thirteen members|revised my proposal]] - now as a full page, rather than just the one section. It's now not using "core members" and "other members", instead listing the two most prominent lineups, Covenant and Multiverse (with the Covenant one going first because it was the first to be fully revealed), and THEN other members; and on top of that I've added Wreckers-style lists to each separate continuity, so that everyone can know at a glance which lineup is in which universe.

(Well, I used MOST of the criticisms. I didn't take Saix's into account because there's no way we're splitting Vector et al into a thousand separate pages.)

How do people feel about this one? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:17, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
:I like it. My only quibble is one I also have with the current set up: why are we not mentioning the [[Guiding Hand]] as a conceptual forerunner? Especially given how ALL 5 GH members have since been listed in one or another variant of the 13.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:32, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
::The Guiding Hand as a concept came into existence long after the Thirteen did. I'd be willing to bring them up in the conceptual history section, but I'll have to give it some thought as how to integrate it. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:36, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
:::Guess I got confused by the older style art. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:40, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
:::I like how you added the Guiding Hand. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:53, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

== Transformers Telephone ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLnGA-s3LR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWh_ZXmFyng
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5080655

I think I've found 3 of them: Convoy, Hound and Starscream. From what understood from these videos, they're introducing themselves. I hope this is useful

== HTTPS ==

This site is now available securely by putting https at the start of the URL thusly: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page

Please test and let me know if you run into any issues. At the moment the only one I know about is that some actions (saving an edit, using the random page function) will throw you back to the non-secure site, but once the non-secure site is redirecting to the secure one, that should be fixed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:51, 31 March 2018 (EDT)
:Will switch on redirecting some time in the next few days. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:24, 2 April 2018 (EDT)

== "Optimus Prime's involvement in the preceding events blah blah" ==

Do we honestly need those notes? They're an eyesore and telling readers they showed up in a coloring book adaptation isn't particularly illuminative. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:14, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
:Context? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:51, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
:It saves us from writing up multiple sections that are basically duplicates of each other. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:20, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
::We don't need or do that either? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:51, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
:::We don't do that because these notes take care of it. If we remove the notes, we would need to add fiction sections for these coloring books and such that would simply duplicate the existing movie section. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:24, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I mean, as petty as it seems to summarize coloring books, we really shouldn't start drawing lines in the sand as to what fiction is worthy of being documented and what is too small. Those notes in the G1 cartoon summary sections may look a little fugly, but they strike me as a decent compromise to include that info without having to give it its own section on some already bloated (Optimus Prime (G1)) pages. Plus, they're a little handy for reference since I know at a glance exactly where in the G1 cartoon summary section The Movie is, which conveniently bisects things when skimming, but that's just me. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 14:05, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
:::::Right. The whole goddamn '''''point''''' of the wiki is to link out to a breadth of relevant information. And part of that information is all the fictional outlets available, including coloring books, kids' storybooks, etc etc etc etc. Sometimes those outlets are simply recaps of stories from "larger" media, so, in the interest of saving space, the note. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:27, 6 April 2018 (EDT)

== OJ Simpson ==

Is it ok to make a Page on OJ Simpson, since he was on [[The Transformers Universal Studios Tour]] page? I'm like scared about this right now. [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 02:26, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
: He only really appeared in a single commercial that was BARELY Transformers related. I'd say follow the precedent set with Peyton Manning's Universal commercial during the Super Bowl and just use a Wikipedia redirect. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 02:51, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
:: Nobody wants a TFWiki article on The Juice more than I do, believe me. But I think Cyberlink is right (though I suppose [[Alex Karras]] gets a pass because the commercial he did was directly for Transformers and not just a promotion that incidentally included Transformers). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 10:55, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
:::I think you hit the nail right on the head there as to the criterion, Spengs.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:19, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
:::And I'm going to Hell for the joke I'm wanting to make about the 8-piece Family Pac he's holding in that photo.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:26, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
::::Thank you guys. I'm just relieved that this nightmare on the Juice is over. [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 17:27, 6 April 2018 (EDT)

== Links to the GoBots/IDW Hasbro sister wikis on the main page. ==

I've brought this up several times on the Allspark forums, but it never gets any traction there, so I'm bringing this here. We need to have links from the main page to the two others that isn't some "disambiguation" gimmick that changes every time you reload the page. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:30, 29 April 2018 (EDT)
:Seconded. There's currently only a 1 in 21 chance of people seeing either link in the disambig box, assuming they even look at it. They definitely need their own dedicated links. I might even suggest going so far as to add a box for them in the side bar, perhaps between the Toolbox and the Advertisement. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:47, 29 April 2018 (EDT)
::This isn't something that needs seconding, this is something that just needs to be done. I don't know why creating links to them wasn't one of the first things we did when the wikis were created, because as it is now, those wikis are basically unknown. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 08:52, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

== RID01/Car Robots names ==

I brought this up on the Allspark, but again, I'll bring it up here; our current write-ups for Legends and Unite Warriors stuff where RID 01 characters appear use the Japanese name, despite that going against our rules. The current justification-that Car Robots takes place in G1 unlike RID-doesn't really justify it, and as it is now, it just feels "weeaboo"-ish. Most of the western fandom that has any knowledge of RID01 is going to use the English names, and as it is now, it's just confusing. I do get things like Fire Convoy, Gigatron, and Brave Maximus being used, but we don't need Sky-Byte listed as "Gelshark". [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 08:57, 30 April 2018 (EDT)
:There is also the fact that for the Unite Warriors toyline, as Takara used the Japanese names in Katakana and the Hasbro names in Latin script, for Baldigus they kept the Car Robots names in both Katakana and Latin Script instead of using "Ruination" et al in Latin script. Same goes for the two Legends LG-EX Black Convoy toys using "Black Convoy" instead of "Scourge" in Latin script. Granted, Legends Gelshark did use "Sky-Byte" in Latin script, but two-to-one Car Robots character toys kept the Car Robots name, and that toy did come before Sakamoto really got going with his Car Robots Continuation plot.
:But the point is, the fact that the Japanese names were kept in Latin script for the Car Robots versions of the characters sounds to me like, from Takara's perspective, the English names of the Car Robots versions of the characters (the ones who exist in the same world as all of the Japanese G1 and Japanese Beast Era characters, as opposed to the RiD 2001 versions of the characters who occupy their own separate and unique reality) are their Japanese names.
:As for the "weeaboo" thing, to me, what would be weeaboo-ish would be to refer to the characters as "Faiyā Konboi", "Gigatoron", "Bureibu Makishimasu", etc., or even to write their names in raw Katakana ''instead'' of Latin script, and that is unquestionably annoying. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 10:50, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

== "First appearances" on IDW pages ==

As can be seen on "[[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1]]". Why did we stop doing this? It seems rather useful. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:26, 18 May 2018 (EDT)

== Multiple co-brandings in headings ==

Increasingly in recent years Hasbro has been lumping multiple (sub)line names together, mostly under the ''Generations'' mega-banner. Now I’m generally of the philosophy that multiple indented headings are not necessary in cases of only 1 applicable toy (line) like [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/toys]], [[Black Shadow (Victory)]], and [[Deathsaurus (Victory)]], but it occurred to me that unlike with the ''Prime Wars Trilogy'' most people probably have the mindset of ''Studio Series'' as its own thing first and not as a subset of ''Generations''. And since we already do indented headings for movieverse characters who are in a dozen size classes, I’ve tried labeling ''Studio Series'' in cases such as [[Megatron (Movie)/toys]], [[Jazz (Movie)]], and [[Grimlock (AOE)]] for easier user accessibility. What do y’all think of this approach? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:56, 27 May 2018 (EDT)
:I'm not the greatest fan because it breaks from our norm. I say either change all of the Generations' sections to include subline imprints, or don't. I'm just a little OCD about it, that's all. And I think you should've put this post up before you made all your changes. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 16:08, 27 May 2018 (EDT)

== Quidd ==

As some of you may know, Hasbro partnered with Quidd to make digital merchandise. How are we supposed to catalog this. Make a page for Quidd and put everything there? or add a digital merchandise section alongside the existing merchandise and toy sections that already exist. [[User:Victinoko|Victinoko]] ([[User talk:Victinoko|talk]]) 20:25, 3 June 2018 (EDT)
:I don't know that we need a separate section for digital merchandise. Just stick it with the other merchanidse for now. If it turns out there's a ton of it, we can look at splitting it out. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:21, 3 June 2018 (EDT)
::There already is a fair amount of Quidd merchandise. And there's more coming. But anyways, when we list them I think we should put the set it's in, the packs you can get them in, and how many coins it would cost to get those packs, and their set number. any other info would you need? also, would the format be

::Quidd

::(Set name here)

::(Figure name here)

::Info

::Like how we do figures, or would we put the set name in brackets next to the 3d Figure/sticker/card name? [[User:Victinoko|Victinoko]] ([[User talk:Victinoko|talk]]) 18:06, 4 June 2018 (EDT)

== Project Wonderful is shutting down. ==

https://www.projectwonderful.com/thanks.php

These are how we serve our ads, and so as of July 11, they won't be working anymore. Reprolabels has already reached out to me about it, and he's game with just paying us directly for the spot. We'll have to get in touch with TFsource for the skyscraper ad, and, uh, we'll have to figure out how to manage the money we're losing from the square ad that's been up for grabs. Get another regular advertiser locked in? I dunno.

We'll likely need folks who can get into the code for the main page template architecture or whatever, so we can do all this in the coming month.

HI.

--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 12:51, 11 June 2018 (EDT)
:I can make whatever changes to the skin are needed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:47, 11 June 2018 (EDT)
:Yay! I think the last time we touched the ad areas, Christine did it. It's been a while. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 17:59, 11 June 2018 (EDT)

== IDW first appearances on character pages ==

Why are these being added? Are similar additions going to be made for other continuities? They seem pretty useless and silly to me.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:06, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
:[[#"First appearances" on IDW pages|Well this is awkward.]] -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:09, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
::That proposal was for making notes about first appearances on the pages of the fiction, not the characters. I have no opinion on that. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:29, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

Anyhow, M Sipher stated in the Allspark discussion thread that given the tendency of IDW continuity to show characters out of chronological sequence, it would be useful to list first real world appearances. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 14:37, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

:It's been brought up on Twitter as a problem with "nerd wikis" in general to value in-universe event order over real-world reading/experience order to the Nth degree, often to the detriment of not-already-hugely-invested readers. While we do compare favorably to most (take note that Wookiepeedia wedges licensed video game events directly into a character's main timeline, like, ''right in the middle of the movie story''), something as simple as finding a character's first appearance in real-world reading order shouldn't be a chore requiring digging and multi-link jumping. ''Generally'' any given chunk of Transformers media's diagetic and real-world chronologies have lined up pretty well and it hasn't been much of an issue, as most of the prequel/backfills are spinoff media and we split those into their own subsections. But IDW, particularly after "phase two" started, '''''really''''' bounces around its own timeline; the example given was that Grimlock's IDW writeup starts with a material published four years after his first appearance.
:This seems like a thing the larger IDW character sections need, a simple "start here". Honestly we should probably take a look at the IDW-as-a-publisher/continuity pages and see about making the real-world publishing list a bit more easily-found/readable (it's kind of a morass of text). It's unlikely we'll need this for most of the fiction sections of character pages, since most fictions are relatively straightforward. But IDW is an exception. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:39, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
:Seems like that would be better served with an Appearances section with all entries in chronological release order. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 05:29, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

Megatron (BW)/toys

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Megatron (disambiguation)

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Across the [[multiverse]] the name '''Megatron''' invokes fear and terror, exuding raw power with an unslakable thirst for more. A warlord intent on domination, not just of their homeworld but of all worlds... and for some, all of ''existence''.

Some versions of Megatron [[Reformatting|take on]] [[New body|new bodies]] and change their name to '''[[Galvatron (disambiguation)|Galvatron]]''' in the process.

{{bigquote|I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. I am that which is, which was and is yet to come... and you will know my name is Megatron when I lay my vengeance upon you!|The [[Covenant of Primus]]|"[[Nemesis Part 2]]"}}

==Major Megatrons==
<center><gallery widths="150px" heights="200px">
File:Megatronguido.jpg|[[Megatron (G1)|"Generation 1" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel]] • [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cartoon]] • [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW]] • [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Toys]] • [[Megatron (G1)/merchandise|Merchandise]]''
File:MegatronBWsourcebook.jpg|[[Megatron (BW)|"Beast Era" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Cartoon]] • [[Megatron (BW)/toys|Toys]]''
File:RIDMegatronGrippy.jpg|[[Megatron (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' (2001) Megatron]]
File:UnicronTrilogyMegatron cartoon bodies.jpg|[[Megatron (Armada)|"Unicron Trilogy" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Cartoon]] • [[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Toys]]''
File:Movie Megatron Defiance3.jpg|[[Megatron (Movie)|"Movie series" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (Movie)/games|Games]] • [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Toys]]''
File:Megatronanimated.jpg|[[Megatron (Animated)|''Animated'' Megatron]]
File:PrimeMegatron.jpg|[[Megatron (WFC)|"Aligned" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (WFC)/toys|Toys]]''
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Megatrons==
{{disamb|y=[[1984]]|[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], leader and sometimes founder of the [[Decepticon]]s from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].}}
**For this character in [[Marvel Comics continuity]], see [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity]].
**For this character in [[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]], see [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity]].
**For this character in [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]], see [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity]].
**For toys of this character see [[Megatron (G1)/toys]].
**For merchandise of this character see [[Megatron (G1)/merchandise]].
{{disamb|y=[[1987]]|The [[Megatron Corps]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s legion of Megatron [[Cloning|clones]] from [[The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers|''The Transformers'' manga]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1996]]|[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], the leader of a group of renegade [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] from ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' and later the [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicons]] from ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Machines]]''. Yeesss.
**For this character in the cartoons, see [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity]].
**For toys of this character, see [[Megatron (BW)/toys]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1999]]|[[Megatron (myth)|Megatron]], a mythological figure in the [[Covenant of Primus]].}}
{{disamb|y=1999|[[Megatron X]], a mysterious silver-colored version of ''Beast Wars'' Megatron from ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2000]]|[[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]], the [[Predacon (RID)|Predacon]] [[Six Changer|six-changing]] galactic conqueror from the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] franchise.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2002]]|[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], yet another Decepticon commander and a pivotal figure in the [[Unicron Trilogy]].
**For his [[Unicron Trilogy cartoon timeline|cartoon incarnation]], see [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity]].
**For toys of this character, see [[Megatron (Armada)/toys]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2007]]|[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], the former [[Lord High Protector]] of Cybertron who gets a jonesing for the [[AllSpark]] and sparks [[Transformers (film)|a motion picture]].
**For this character in video games, see [[Megatron (Movie)/games]].
**For toys and other merchandise of this character, see [[Megatron (Movie)/toys]]}}
{{disamb|y=2007|[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]], the (glorious) Decepticon leader from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2008]]|[[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]], the morally ambiguous leader of the Decepticons in ''[[Transformers: TransTech|TransTech]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|[[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]], the heroic leader of the Decepticon resistance in ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2010]]|[[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]], the leader of the Decepticons from the [[Aligned continuity family]].
**For toys of this character, see [[Megatron (WFC)/toys]]}}
{{disamb|y=2010|[[Master Megatron]], the other Decepticon-allied Megatron from ''Animated''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2011]]|[[Megatron (SG Animated)|Megatron]], the heroic Decepticon from ''Shattered Glass Animated''.}}
{{disamb|y=2011|[[Megatron (Kre-O)|Megatron]], the Decepticon brick-based being and [[Kreon]] from ''[[Kre-O]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2011|[[Darkside Megatron]], the living embodiment of Generation 1 Megatron's insanity.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2012]]|[[Megatron Cannon]], the Decepticon [[Arms Micron]] from ''Prime''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2013]]|[[Megatron (BWSG)|Megatron]], the heroic leader of the Predacons in ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2014]]|[[Megatron (KOU)|Megatron]], the Decepticon guitarist from ''[[Knights of Unicron (band)|Knights of Unicron]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2014|[[Megatron (Battle Masters)|Megatron]], the Decepticon leader from ''[[Battle Masters]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2015]]|[[Megatron (human)|Megatron]], the [[human]] football player who may or may not have Cybertronian origins.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2017]]|[[Megatron (SG TransTech)|Megatron]], the heroic Decepticon from ''Shattered Glass TransTech''.}}

==Fictions with "Megatron" in the title==
{{disamb|y=[[1985]]|"[[Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1|Megatron's Master Plan]]", the 3-part episode of [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'']].}}
{{disamb|y=1985|"[[Megatron's Fight for Power]]", from [[Ladybird Books]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1995]]|''[[Megatron Set Special CD]]'', the soundtrack album available with [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s second {{w|LaserDisc}} set of the cartoon.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2004]]|"[[Megatron's Sword]]", an episode from the ''[[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Energon]]'' series.}}
{{disamb|y=2004|"[[Megatron Resurrected]]", another episode from the ''Energon'' series.}}
{{disamb|y=2004|"[[Megatron Raid]]", a further episode from the ''Energon'' series.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2005]]|"[[Megatron Ondo]]", the song included on [[Geneon Universal Entertainment|DVD volume 7]] of ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars Returns]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2007|''[[The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin]]'', the 4-issue comic series from [[IDW Publishing|IDW]].}}
{{disamb|y=2007|"[[Transformers Comic issue 2#Prelude: Megatron|Prelude: Megatron]]", the story featured in issue #2 of the [[Titan Books|Titan]] [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|comic]].}}
{{disamb|y=2007|"[[Destron Leader Megatron Black Ver.]]", the [[e-HOBBY]] [[pack-in material]].}}
{{disamb|y=2007|"[[Megatron Chapter]]", part of the ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|"[[Megatron Rising - Part 1|Megatron Rising]]", the 2-part episode of ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]'', the 16-issue "soft reboot" of the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]].}}
{{disamb|y=2008|"[[Starscream Heckles Megatron]]", the ''Animated'' short.}}
{{disamb|y=2008?|"[[Meet Megatron]]", another ''Animated'' short.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2009]]|"[[Transformers Comic issue 24#Megatron's Revenge|Megatron's Revenge]]", the story featured in issue #24 of the Titan comic.}}
{{disamb|y=2010|''[[The Transformers: Best of Megatron|Best of Megatron]]'', the trade paperback collection from IDW.}}
{{disamb|y=2011|"[[A Gift For Megatron]]", the Kre-O animated short.}}
{{disamb|y=2012|"[[Megatron's Revenge]]", the Kre-O animated short.}}
{{disamb|y=2012|"[[Megatron Returns]]", the storybook from [[Bantam Children]].}}
{{disamb|y=2013|"[[Spotlight: Megatron]]", the 28th issue of ''[[The Transformers: Spotlight]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2016|"[[Not All Megatrons]]", the ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' prose story.}}

There are also numerous fictions titled something like "[[Optimus Prime vs Megatron (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime vs Megatron]]".

==See also==
{{disamb|y=[[1989]]|[[Megatron's base]] from the [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''Generation 1'' comics]].}}
{{disamb|y=2004|[[Megatron's castle]] from the [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] ''[[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Generation One]]'' comics.}}
{{disamb|y=2012|The Nike Calvin Johnson Megatron collection, a line of sports equipment inspired by Megatron the human.[http://www.nikeblog.com/2012/11/22/nike-calvin-johnson-megatron-collection/]}}

==Not to be confused with...==
*[[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]], a Decepticon commander who temporarily inhabited Megatron's body (or a version of it, it's complicated) from the ''Generation 1'' comics.
*[[Archforce]], the [[Europe]]an ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'' Decepticon whose toy was released in North America as "Hero" Megatron.
*[[Megatronia]], the combined form of [[Megaempress]] and her [[4 Guards]] from [[Japan]]ese Generation 1 continuity.
*The [[Megatron statue]], a massive stone statue of the Unicron Trilogy character.
*[[Megaplex]], a duplicate of Megatron designed to fool his enemies from the ''Generation 1'' continuity.
*[[Mechatron]], a [[Beast Rider]] from ''Beast Machines''.
*[[Gigatron (disambiguation)|Gigatron]], a different name for Megatron most notably in the [[Viron]] [[universal cluster]].
*[[Megabolt]], a Decepticon fashioned from Megatron's corpse from ''Robots in Disguise'' 2001.
*[[Megazarak (disambiguation)|Characters named Megazarak]].
*[[Metatron]], the angel mentioned in both ancient Cybertronian texts and real-life Talmud, even if at least one Megatron has ''claimed'' to be him.
*Megatronus, the original name of [[The Fallen]], one of the [[thirteen]] [[Dynasty of Primes|original Transformers]] who some Megatrons took their name from.

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave ''Armada'' continuity===
As the leader of one of two main factions of Cybertronians, any given reality's Megatron generally posed a problem for the dimension-hopping destroyer [[Unicron]], and therefore Megatron was a priority target for [[Herald of Unicron|Unicron's heralds]]. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 1 of 4}} While grappling with the [[Megatron (Armada)#Dreamwave Armada continuity|Megatron]] of [[Aurex 402.24 Gamma]], lead herald [[Galvatron (G1)#Dreamwave Armada continuity|Galvatron]] noted to his adversary that he had killed "many" Megatrons. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 3 of 4}}

===''TransTech''===
In one of the oldest dimensions in the [[multiverse]], one [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronian city]], [[Axiom Nexus]], is a hub for travelers from other dimensions. The city maintains its relative harmony through a strict principle of "[[Dux non Intruitus]]": all Megatrons, as well as [[Prime (disambiguation)|Primes]], miscellaneous faction leaders and [[:Category:MacGuffins|MacGuffins]] from other universes, are considered illegal. This hasn't stopped a few [[Megatron (BW)|sneaky]] [[Megatron (Movie)|offworlders]] from circumventing the ban. {{storylink|Bee in the City}} {{storylink|Cybertron's Most Wanted}}

===e-HOBBY comics===
[[Megalligator]] wanted to kill all Megatrons in the multiverse. {{storylink|Cybertron Convobat}}

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Thirteen

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{{disambig2|the group of ancient [[Transformer]]s|the unreleased comic series|Transformers: The Thirteen}}
[[File:Original13.jpg|center|upright=2.8|thumb|Guess the one on fire!]]

{{quote|We are the 13, the first, the forgotten, each of us serving a function vital to the survival of the universe. Each of us designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] and given a function to serve during the long march of infinity.|[[Vector Prime]]|"[[Vector Prime: In the Beginning]]"}}

The '''Thirteen''' are the first [[Transformer]]s created by [[Primus]]. Rightfully huge and powerful, each was designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]],<ref>A Hasbro Q&A response would later try to alter this. See Notes above.</ref> and given unique roles and natures to battle Primus's ancient foe [[Unicron]].

==Conceptual history==
[[File:BW Covenant.jpg|left|thumb|The [[Covenant (group)|Covenant]] shares a very similar base concept with the Thirteen, and may have been the original inspiration for them.]]
The concept of the Thirteen has only been around for about a third of the Transformers brand's thirty-year history, and the slow drip-feeding of information that characterized the early stages of their story was not been presented in a very linear manner. The development of the concept is described in this section to minimize confusion; for details of their history and actions in specific bits of fiction, see below.

The very earliest seeds of the Thirteen can probably be found in material produced by [[3H Productions]] for [[BotCon]], most notably 1999's "[[Covenant (story)|Covenant]]". This story introduces the undeniably similar concept of the [[Covenant (group)|Covenant]], a group of twelve zodiac-themed robots who are the first creations of [[Primus]], created as a test-run for the Transformer race. Despite the basic similarity between the Covenant and the Thirteen, though, the two groups were not connected until 2015, and those same stories by 3H would ultimately contradict the later lore of the Thirteen by introducing [[Primon]], a Matrix-bearer who preceded [[Prima]], which should not be possible. (That 2015 connection was an October entry for "[[Ask Vector Prime]]", which flagged up that nobody in-universe knew if the Covenant had a link to the Thirteen and that they may just be stories the Thirteen tell themselves.)

[[File:Vectorprimeut.jpg|thumb|[[Fun Publications]] established [[Vector Prime]] to be a member of the Thirteen in 2005.]]

It was in the pages of 2004's ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' that the mysterious "Thirteen Original Transformers" were first spoken of, and their basic origin was laid down: they were the first Transformers created by Primus to battle Unicron, and their number included Prima, the first [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]-bearer from the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comics series]] and [[The Fallen]], an enigmatic servant of Unicron from [[Dreamwave Productions]]' 2003 comic, ''[[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages]]''. The book also noted that if ''[[Alignment]]'' had been published, the [[Liege Maximo]], an ancient evil [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian]] from the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|''Generation 2'' comics]], would have been counted among them as well (retroactively, of course, since ''Alignment'' predated the idea of the Thirteen). The book also contained a passing mention that the enigmatic [[Maccadam|manager]] of [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]], a Cybertronian pub introduced in the UK Generation 1 Marvel Comics, was rumored to be one of the Thirteen (though it also admits that this could be a fabrication by the pub's drunken patrons). Not surprisingly, it was the creator of all four of these characters, [[Simon Furman]], who both wrote the guide and conceived the idea of the Thirteen.<ref>Simon Furman panel, BotCon 2012</ref> While it was Furman who also created the Covenant, it is not yet known whether or not he was deliberately drawing upon his old idea when he introduced the Thirteen in this book.

The concept of the Thirteen quietly bubbled under for the next year, until another element was added with the introduction of [[Vector Prime]] in 2005's ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' series. Although presented merely as a very ancient [[Autobot]] in the original Japanese version of the ''Cybertron'' cartoon, Hasbro envisioned him as one of the Thirteen, and writer [[Forest Lee]] made this explicit in [[Vector Prime: In the Beginning|the first story]] produced for the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]. This story also introduced the idea that all of the Thirteen were [[Prime (rank)|Primes]], and that each had a specific function or purpose; Vector Prime's was stewardship of time, while a 2007 [[bio]] written for The Fallen's ''[[Titanium Series]]'' toy would later reveal he was the overseer of entropy. Between these two releases, in 2006, the short Japanese text story ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'' introduced [[Logos Prime]]; as a Japanese creation, his status among the Thirteen would be in question for years.

[[File:NexusPrimeflankedbyotherPrimes.jpg|left|thumb|Fun Publications also introduced the first [[combiner]], [[Nexus Prime]].]]

While it was not immediately apparent, Hasbro had put a plan in motion for the Thirteen with the Collectors' Club comic: across the next five years, five separate robots were introduced who were gradually revealed to be components of a combiner, Nexus Prime, who was one of the Thirteen. During this five-year span, the subject of the Thirteen often came up at BotCon Q&A sessions, during which the idea of them being [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]] solidified—a concept which purported that across all the different [[universal stream]]s, only one incarnation of each of the Thirteen existed, moving between worlds. This idea would later be canonized with the pages of Fun Publications' comics.

Also during this time, current Transformers comic license holders [[IDW Publishing]] spoke often of a potential comic book mini-series about the Thirteen to be written by Simon Furman, but this was eventually nixed, with Furman noting in 2009 that this was because it had "become more of a [[Hasbro]] thing than an IDW thing."<ref>[http://hombreimaginario.deviantart.com/art/Interviews-10-Simon-Furman-130246343 Furman talks about the Thirteen in an interview on DeviantArt]</ref> Hasbro's desire to control and fully conceptualize the story of the Thirteen was further made evident when, after [[Fun Publications]]' Nexus Prime story concluded in the same year, they effectively took "custody" of the character as part of their future plans. This control, however, was evidently not all-encompassing: also in 2009, The Fallen made a surprising appearance as the titular villain of the second-live action Transformers film, ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', where he was a member not of a group of thirteen, but only ''seven'' Primes. Hasbro's [[Hasbro Q&A/October 2009#AllSpark.com|October 2009 online Q&A]] retroactively justified this by explaining that while all the Thirteen were Primes, only seven actually had the word "Prime" ''in their names''.

[[File:TransformersVault-Prima.jpg|thumb|The new design for [[Prima]] was revealed at [[BotCon 2010]].]]

Eventually, in 2010, the grand scope of the new [[Aligned continuity family]] became the "delivery method" for Hasbro's long-percolating tale of the Thirteen. However, the "Aligned" continuity was also established to ''not'' be part of the multiverse in which all preceding Transformers fiction took place, which until then had lain the groundwork for the Thirteen. As such, the new information introduced by the Aligned continuity was only true for ''that'' continuity, and even chose to ignore or overrule some previous pieces of the story that had been revealed in "Multiverse" stories—The Fallen was given a much more tragic origin story that involved no connection to Unicron, Logos Prime was not included in the ranks of the "Aligned Thirteen", and [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] was named as a member of the Aligned group. From 2010 to 2013, various pieces of Aligned media—including the novels ''[[Transformers: Exodus]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Exiles]]'', the ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' cartoon, and the prose work ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus]]''—detailed in full the complete roster and history of the Thirteen in the Aligned Continuity, including many brand-new characters and events, which can all be read about further down this article.

In 2014, things got a little complicated when [[The Crucible|''Robots in Disguise'' #34]] introduced the Thirteen into IDW Publishing's Generation 1 continuity...except that the Thirteen involved in the story were not the "Multiverse Thirteen", but a version of the "Aligned Thirteen", with a backstory that did not match ''either'' incarnation. Over the course of the next year, the Q&A feature [[Ask Vector Prime]] worked to explain this, revealing that non-singularity versions of the Thirteen also exist within the multiverse, and that the "Aligned Thirteen" were one such example. The feature also revealed the remaining members of the "Multiverse Thirteen", which included a mixture of the new characters from the Aligned version of the group, and other characters drawn from Transformers history (including the [[Guiding Hand]], an entirely ''different'' group of forerunners to the Transformers introduced in IDW's comics). The completion of the roster was done as a "last hurrah" for the singularity version of the Thirteen—in 2015, the Collectors' Club comic storyline ''[[Another Light]]'' saw the Thirteen's existence as multiversal singularities nullified. Freed from the complex bounds of this concept, the story of the Thirteen is now free to be told any way, in any continuity, with membership freely able to differ across universes.
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==Members==
Because of their complicated fictional natures, conceptual histories, and status as multiversal "archetypes", TFWiki.Net opts to break our standard rules a little and give most members of the group a single article that covers all different versions of that character, as opposed to separate articles (G1, Unicron Trilogy, Movie, etc...) for each incarnation.

===Covenant Thirteen===
[[File:OneShallRise1-WellofAllSparks.jpg|thumb|325px|"No, Harry, no! Don't look at the light!"]]
The first full lineup of the Thirteen was originally formalized for the [[Aligned continuity family]], and properly revealed in ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus]]''. The "Aligned Thirteen" were initially considered to be separate from the "Multiverse Thirteen", something backed up in fiction that described their [[universal stream|universal cluster]] as being previously separate from the multiverse, but the core list has since been widely used even in non-Aligned materials such as the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]].

*'''[[Prima]]''' - The leader of the Thirteen, a warrior of light and the first [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix bearer]] who wielded the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]].
*'''[[Vector Prime]]''' - The master of time and space, which he could manipulate through his [[Blades of Time]].
*'''[[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]]''' - Holder of the [[Quill]], which he uses to record the past, present, and future of Cybertron in the [[Covenant of Primus]] in his role as recordskeeper of the Primes.
*'''[[Solus Prime]]''' - The master artificer and creator of many of the Primes' weapons through use of her incredible [[Forge of Solus Prime|Forge]]. She was the first [[female Transformer|female Cybertronian]].
*'''[[Micronus Prime]]''' - The conscience of the Thirteen, and the first [[Mini-Con]], able to [[Powerlinx|link up with and enhance the power]] of his siblings through the use of his [[Chimera Stone]]; responsible for creating the alternate dimension of [[Microspace]].
*'''[[Alchemist Prime]]''' - Student of the elemental structure of the natural world, aided in this by his [[Lenses]], which allowed him to see further and deeper than anyone, in both material and spiritual senses; fond of the occasional tipple, with some claiming that he still walks Cybertron in the form of [[Maccadam|a humble bartender]].
*'''[[Nexus Prime]]''' - The first and greatest combiner, granted the ability to divide himself into separate forms by his [[Enigma of Combination]]. Unpredictable, fascinated by change, and a lighthearted prankster.
*'''[[Onyx Prime]]''' - The first beast-form Cybertronian, a primitive and spiritual being able to view other times, places, souls, and even the afterlife through his three-faced [[Triptych Mask]].
*'''[[Amalgamous Prime]]''' - The joker of the Thirteen and the first [[Shifter]], unpredictable and easygoing. He was first Cybertronian with the ability of [[transformation]], granted him by his [[Transformation cog]], which became the basis for the cogs in all subsequent Transformer life.
*'''[[Quintus Prime]]''' - A daydreamer and perfectionist whose drive to express his ideas led him to become a scientist. His artifact was the [[Emberstone]], which gave him the ability to create life; the [[Quintesson]]s were among his creations.
*'''[[Liege Maximo]]''' - The "Prime of Lies", a black-hearted and amoral manipulator. Though his artifact was notionally the toxin-loaded [[Liegian Darts]], his real skill was his ability to talk others into his way of thinking.
*'''[[The Fallen]]''' - Once known as '''Megatronus''', guardian of entropy and wielder of the [[Requiem Blaster (Megatronus)|Requiem Blaster]], the Fallen's name was stricken from history when the dark warrior turned on his siblings.

====The thirteenth Prime====
Though the twelve aforementioned members of the Thirteen have generally been consistent since their introduction, the thirteenth of their number — always in some way unique and special — has his nature vary between continuities, though he tends to have some connection to [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]].
*'''[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]]''' - In the Aligned continuity family, the Thirteenth was Optimus Prime, the mediator of the Primes, who united the Thirteen by being the first among them to raise an arm in greeting. He would subsequently be reincarnated as '''Orion Pax'''.
*'''[[The Arisen]]''' - In the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]], the name of the mysterious thirteenth member of the group was not recorded in history, being only known as "the Arisen"; the [[Mistress of Flame]] believes he is [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]].
*In the "[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]", the role of the Thirteenth Prime is taken up by whoever bears the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. <ref name="POTPMatrix">Comments made by Hasbro representatives at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2017.</ref>

===Multiversal Thirteen===
[[File:AnotherLight-Thirteen.jpg|thumb|325px|Who are we? You'll never know!]]
Though the "multiversal Thirteen" — considered separate to the "Aligned Thirteen" — had approximately half of their members revealed before any non-multiversal incarnation was ever mentioned, the remainder of their membership was unknown until a [[Ask Vector Prime/Facebook src#ThirteenList|June 2015 Facebook post]] from "[[Ask Vector Prime]]" listed off twelve of Vector Prime's siblings. The members known (or officially "rumored" in one case) before then were:
*'''[[Prima]]''' - The first [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix-bearer]] and first Transformer born from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the leader of the Thirteen.<ref>''Sentinel Prime was one of a dynasty of Primes, stretching back to the original '''13 Transformers''' and their leader, Prima.'' — ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' (2005) 1st ed p15, "Sentinel Prime"</ref> He wielded the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]], a mighty blade capable of unparalleled destruction.
*'''[[Liege Maximo]]''' - A legendary schemer.<ref name="askvectorprime">[[Ask Vector Prime]] on Facebook</ref>
*'''[[The Fallen|Megatronus]]''' - Formerly the guardian of entropy, whose name was stricken from history when he betrayed his brothers and became a [[Herald of Unicron]] under the new name "'''The Fallen'''".<ref>''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]''</ref>
*'''[[Vector Prime]]''' - The guardian of space and time, who spent most of his life outside of reality, observing it and occasionally stepping in to help.
*'''[[Nexus Prime]]''' - The first combiner and the guardian of [[Rarified Energon]].
*'''[[Logos Prime]]''' - An enigmatic figure who, operating in the present day under the new name Soundblaster, sought to pass on his incredible powers over time and space to an heir.

To these Vector Prime added four of the ones invented by the Covenant:

*'''[[Alchemist Prime]]''' - Rumored to have established [[Maccadam's Old Oil House|a bar]] on modern Cybertron, seeking to provide a respite from endless war. <ref>In [[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide|''The Ultimate Guide'']], the enigmatic [[Maccadam]] was rumored to be a member of the Thirteen by drunken patrons of his bar. Vector Prime would later half-jokingly imply that Alchemist Prime amd Maccadam were the same individual, as described above. There's nothing that explicitly ''says'' they're the same, but... you know.</ref> <ref name="askvectorprime" />
*'''[[Solus Prime]]''' - A renowned smith who wielded a powerful [[Forge of Solus Prime|Forge]].<ref name="askvectorprime" />
*'''[[Micronus Prime]]''' - The progenitor of the [[Mini-Con]]s.<ref>[[Rook - Axiom Nexus News: Investigative Journalist]]</ref>
*'''[[Onyx Prime]]''' - In-tune with nature and the organic.<ref name="askvectorprime" />

And three other powerful figures from "Transformers" lore:

*'''[[Last Autobot|Autonomous Maximus]]''' - A lonely sentinel who renounced his name, becoming simply known as the Last Autobot.
*'''[[Solomus]]''' - A gentle and kind individual, who is instead in some universes a member of the [[Guiding Hand]].
*'''[[Epistemus]]''' - A Cybertronian of unconventional intellect, also sometimes of the Guiding Hand.

===Other members===
Particularly following the Shroud, certain realities include entirely different lineups of the Thirteen, which have included:
*'''[[Adaptus]]''' - Blessed with powers of change, ''also'' sometimes of the Guiding Hand; may or may not in some universes be the same individual as Amalgamous Prime.
*'''[[Mortilus]]''' - A solitary member of the Thirteen who stayed apart from the others, who was in some universes a member of the Guiding Hand.
*'''[[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]''' - A Prime known for his wisdom.<ref>''[[Transformers: Titans Return (cartoon)]]'' episode 4, "[[Overlord and Emissary]]"</ref>

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:Thefallen.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|No, seriously guys, is it just me, or is it hot in here?]]

[[The Fallen]] was thwarted in his attempt to sabotage [[Primus]]'s [[Cybertron (planet)|physical form]], and the Thirteen allegedly died after casting the Fallen and his master [[Unicron]] through a [[black hole]] into another dimension. In truth, the Fallen was imprisoned in another dimension, while [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] kept watch over the Transformers in the [[Well of All Sparks]] and Primus entered his eternal sleep to hide from Unicron. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

After [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Megatron]] were lost in a [[space bridge]] explosion, the Fallen was free from his prison in [[Transwarp|underspace]], and returned to Cybertron. He immediately set about trying to undo the [[Seal of Primus]] that locked the Well of All Sparks. However, upon his success, the Fallen was promptly destroyed by his reawoken creator. {{storylink|Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages}}

{{Unreleased DW G1 comic}}
In the present day, Jetfire discovered that Shockwave had broken the Seal for his cloning experiments. The Fallen's essence escaped and corrupted [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]], and following his death, passed into Jetfire. This corruption caused Jetfire to be plagued by many visions, among them The Fallen beating down his brethren in an ancient battle. {{storylink|The Enemy Within}}

'''Known members:'''
*[[Prima]]
*[[The Fallen]]
*[[Maccadam]] (rumored)

===Fun Publications===
[[Vector Prime]] aided the [[Autobot]]s in finding the [[Cyber Planet Key]]s to close the [[Unicron Singularity]]. He regularly reported their progress to [[Alpha Trion (Energon)|Alpha Trion]], but during one visit Unicron's servants [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] and [[Nemesis Prime (Universe)|Nemesis Prime]] attacked. {{storylink|Balancing Act}} [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] came to Cybertron looking for clues to his past, only to be attacked by [[Scorponok (Energon)|Dark Scorponok]], {{storylink|Balancing Act, Part 2}} but his forcefield protected him. Ramjet offered him clues to his past in exchange for his <s>soul</s> service. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Part 3}} They went to Primus's spark core to destroy him with the [[Dead Matrix]], but Vector and [[Sentinel Maximus]] fought back. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Part 4}} Ramjet said he would stop trying to kill Primus if Vector aided them in restoring the balance by resurrecting Unicron, but he refused. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Pt 5}} Skyfall tried to save Ramjet but his forcefield only ignited an explosion that killed Ramjet. {{storylink|Revelations Part 1}} Vector had drones repair Skyfall and found [[Omega Prime]]—the creation of one of Trion's [[Viron]] counterparts—had helped Sentinel defeated Nemesis. Omega's presence saddened Vector, as it confirmed the multiverse was falling apart, and he left for Earth. {{storylink|Revelations Part 2}}

Skyfall was helping Sentinel repair [[Vector Sigma]], when [[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]] informed him he had found a twenty-million-cycle-old carving of him and another bot. {{storylink|Revelations Part 4}} Immediately during a battle between [[Mini-Con]] Autobots and [[Decepticon]]s, Skyfall found [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]]. {{storylink|Revelations Part 5}} The two seemingly vanished when Unicron attacked, {{storylink|Revelations Part 6}} when they had been transported to [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]]'s universe, {{storylink|Crossing Over, Part 1}} and the trio and went through a [[space bridge]] {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 6}} to find [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]] in [[Axiom Nexus]]. [[Cheetor (TransTech)|Cheetor]] and [[Silverbolt (TransTech)|Silverbolt]] introduced the trio to [[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]]. However, [[Shockwave (TransTech)|Shockwave]] had Breakaway quietly subdued and taken to his laboratory. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 1}} Skyfall and Landquake realized Breakaway was gone, but Alpha Trion told them to come with him if they wanted to rescue their brother from the evil [[Transcendent Technomorph|TransTechs]]. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 2}} He explained he was not from this dimension and was part of a resistance movement, introducing them to Topspin, whose job was to transfer their [[lowtech]] followers' [[spark]]s into their TransTech counterparts. Realizing Topspin was one of their kin, Skyfall and Landquake agreed to help. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 3}} [[Nightscream (TransTech)|Nightscream]] found Breakaway was being held near the portal to Alpha Trion's dimension, {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 4}} and his acolytes attacked, rescuing Breakaway {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 5}} and entering the [[transwarp]] device. Alpha Trion explained to Skyfall he was the key to the reunification, and killed him as they entered [[Primax -408.24 Epsilon|his universe]]. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 6}}

[[File:Reunification5-arisenexusprime.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.95|"It's beautiful..." <br> "Holy crap!" <br> "It's perfect!" <br> "This is the best thing!"]]
Despite his claim his was a peaceful world, Alpha Trion shot [[Downshift (SG)|Downshift]], and Breakaway realized Skyfall had been killed by an energy blade rather than shot from behind as the old Autobot claimed. Alpha Trion's troops arrived, took the four components and he proclaimed he would kill them all—as reunification still worked with one of them dead—and that his reign would begin. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 1}} Landquake manipulated the raw energon and used smokebombs to escape, with Topspin and Breakaway carrying Skyfall. Weeks later, after trying unsuccessfully to revive Skyfall, {{storylink|Reunification: Part 2}} the [[Quintesson]] [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]] appeared to take them to [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 3}} Landquake explained their situation to the Decepticons, and Megatron asked [[Cyclonus (SG)|Cyclonus]] to bring [[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]], but then Cyclonus, revealing himself to be an agent of Alpha Trion, assassinated Megatron. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 4}} Breakaway suggested they use their powers to revive Megatron, and found themselves in a white space with Skyfall and Primus. They made their choice: [[Nexus Prime]] was reborn. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 5}} Nexus resurrected Megatron as Galvatron and defeated [[Omega Doom]]. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 6}} Using Galvatron's gift of the [[stellar spanner]], Nexus and Aquarius began dimension-hopping to find the shards of the [[Star Saber (Prima)|artifact]] he had been entrusted with, so he could complete his memories. While Nexus outlined the artifact's background to Aquarius, the faces of Vector Prime and [[The Fallen]] flashed through his mind. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 1}}

The TransTechs knew the [[Mini-Con]]s to be the children of [[Micronus Prime]] {{storylink|Rook - Axiom Nexus News: Investigative Journalist|Rook - Axiom Nexus News, 2015/05/09}} and early on in their history were threatened with an ultimately failed coup led by [[Jhiaxus (TransTech)|Jhiaxus]], a follower of the [[Liege Maximo]]. {{storylink|Rook - Axiom Nexus News: Investigative Journalist|Rook - Axiom Nexus News, 2015/05/06}}

When the [[Transcendent Technomorph|TransTech]]s detected significant multiversal chaos resulting from negative polarity Primax Autobots [[Invasion (issue)|crossing over into a mirror universe]], they suspected that [[Rarified Energon]] was somehow involved. [[Rhinox (TransTech)|Rhinox]] was also aware of (correct) rumors that the Thirteen were involved with Rarified Energon. {{storylink|Invasion Prologue}} As part of their response to the multiversal chaos, the TransTechs deployed [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]] to prehistoric Shatteredverse Earth in order to keep the [[Origin Matrix]] out of evil hands. {{storylink|Invasion: Epilogue}}

After several unspecified adventures, Aquarius ended up in Axiom Nexus and took charge of a shard of the Star Saber from [[Chifumi Takahashi|a courier]]. In exchange, he promised to help her get home. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 48|Transformers I.Q. last issue review}} To their surprise, however, they ended up on Shatteredverse Cybertron. It soon became obvious that Nexus had transported them there in order to receive the [[Origin Matrix]], the fifth and final piece, from [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], recently retrieved from prehistoric Shatteredverse Earth. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 54|Transformers I.Q. trivia bonus #12}} {{storylink|Falling into Place}}

When he reunited the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]] and the [[Terminus Blade]], Nexus Prime decided that he was going to return things to "how they used to be", {{storylink|Restoration}} and strengthened the walls between the various realities of the multiverse, which had the consequence of ending the existence of he and siblings as multiversal singularities. {{storylink|Out of the One, Many}}

'''Known members:'''
:''See "[[#Multiversal Thirteen|Multiversal Thirteen]]" above''

===''Beast Wars Reborn''===
[[File:Bwreborn text.jpg|thumb]]
The '''Ancients''' (エンシェント ''Enshento'') were the original clan of Transformers created by Primus before he became [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], and possessed extraordinary powers over space and time. One of them, [[Logos Prime]], lost sight of his objective and memory of him faded away. {{Storylink|Planetfall (BWR)|Planetfall}} He would return under the name of Soundblaster, abducting [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] and [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] so he could apparently appoint Megatron as his successor. [[Vector Prime]] was sent by Primus to stop the plot and was taken aback when confronted with his fellow Ancient who he thought lost. {{Storylink|Master of the Game}} While Vector Prime and what remained of Logos Prime fought on the astral plane, Soundblaster revealed the [[Zeonomicon]], the key to his power, and had Optimus and Megatron hunt it down on [[Animatron]] to decide who would inherit his power. {{storylink|Planetfall (BWR)|Planetfall}}

'''Known members:'''
*[[Vector Prime]]
*[[Logos Prime]]

===Live-action film series===
{{main|Dynasty of Primes}}

[[File:ROTF-sixprimes.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|The Primes in the Matrix/Allspark/surreal part of Primus's imagination.]]
The Primes were the guardians of the [[AllSpark]], charged with replenishing it. They commanded [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seekers]] and [[Constructicon (ROTF)|workers]] to find stars and replenish the AllSpark with their energy. The Fallen began seeing himself as the AllSpark's chosen one and began destroying solar systems with sentient life to replenish the Cube. His brothers warned him not to do it again, so The Fallen tried it again on [[Earth]] to lure them. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 3|Tales of the Fallen #3}} The Fallen slaughtered all his brothers bar Prima himself, who gathered his brothers' lifeforce to trap The Fallen in his [[sarcophagus]]. Prima sacrificed himself to form a [[Tomb of the Primes|tomb]] with his brothers' bodies to hide the Matrix. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 4|Tales of the Fallen #4}}

A long time passed, and The Fallen was eventually dug up. From his prison, he pushed [[Megatron (Movie)|High Protector Megatron]] into forming the Decepticons. {{storylink|Defiance issue 2|Defiance #2}} Thousands of years later, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], the sole surviving descendant of the Primes to survive The Fallen's rampage, {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen issue 3|Revenge of the Fallen #3}} had been killed. The Primes appeared to [[Sam Witwicky]], giving him the Matrix to revive Optimus, and Optimus avenged The Fallen's brothers by killing him. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

'''Known members:'''
*[[Prima]]
*[[The Fallen]]

{{note|The ''Revenge of the Fallen'' adaptations have thirteen Primes. While designs were made for twelve non-Fallen Prime heads, the finished film shows only seven Primes, and this change was followed in ''[[Transformers: Tales of the Fallen|Tales of the Fallen]]'' and [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|the Titan magazine]].}}

===Aligned continuity family===
[[File:OneShallRise1-TheThirteen.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|They're not a fan of direct lighting.]]

Seeing the endless stalemate between he and [[Unicron/Aligned|Unicron]], [[Primus]] created the Thirteen, warriors in the mould of himself and Unicron, to fight in his stead and introduce random variables. The Thirteen did indeed succeed in defeating Unicron but were infected with a touch of the Chaos-Bringer's darkness as a result of direct proximity to the Dark God.

Following Unicron's exile, the Primes began reshaping their world before the manipulations of [[Liege Maximo]] caused the group to descend into civil war. The skirmish claimed both Maximo and [[Solus Prime]]. [[Onyx Prime|Onyx]], [[Micronus Prime|Micronus]] and [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] chose to descend into the [[Core]] and join Primus so they could aid in the creation of the Cybertronian race with [[Prima]], [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] and [[Alchemist Prime]] remaining on Cybertron to act as stewards for the newborn species while [[Nexus Prime]] separated himself into separate individuals to live among the ordinary Cybertronians. [[Quintus Prime|Quintus]], [[Amalgamous Prime|Amalgamous]], [[Vector Prime]] and [[The Fallen]] left Cybertron outright.

Following the [[Great Cataclysm]], Prima and Alchemist Prime disappeared with Alpha Trion choosing to fall into obscurity. As a result, the Thirteen became little more than a myth in the new era. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|Covenant of Primus}}

What lore regarding the Primes survived into the pre-War era is that their war made "enemies of brothers, murderers of lovers, heroes of the insignificant, and cowards of the mighty". Allegiances formed and broke apart: Megatronus refused to bow before his brothers, and he believed he would be vindicated someday despite his destructive methods. The murder of one sent them across the stars, to battle among themselves for billions of cycles. Finally, there came a time when Prima had to relinquish the Matrix. Afterwards, the [[Covenant of Primus]] decreed Cybertron could only have one Prime at a time. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus|Exodus}} The chamber of the [[Autobot High Council|High Council of Cybertron]] had statues depicting the Primes. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 3}}

[[File:OneShallRise1-Thirteenattack.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|Three seconds of one episode made up for a lifetime of lack of Thirteen images.]]
[[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] remained on Cybertron, recording these events into the Covenant, and the Primes became myths doubted by [[Jazz (WFC)|some]]. Alpha Trion retreated into becoming the Archivist of the [[Hall of Records]] when [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Sentinel Prime]], the [[Autobot High Council|High Council]], and the [[Guilds of Cybertron]] ignored his protests about the [[caste system]]. The [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] did not bestow itself onto another until the unworthy Sentinel died, and [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] was imbued with it, while his nemesis had become known as [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]], who like his namesake had come to destroy that he believed in. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus|Exodus}}

During his travels across the galaxy, Optimus Prime encountered both [[Vector Prime|Vector]] and [[Nexus Prime]] both of whom expressed surprise that Alpha Trion still lived and wondered if any of their other brothers might still be alive. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

When Unicron stirred, Optimus Prime explained the history of the Thirteen to his human allies. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}

Before Optimus Prime was to die, {{storylink|Predacons Rising (Prime)|Predacons Rising}} the Primes intercepted his [[spark]] and brought him to their [[Realm of the Primes|realm]]. {{storylink|Decepticon Island (Part 1)}}

After his death, Optimus was able to appear to Bumblebee when the Primes deemed the young bot's need was most dire. {{storylink|W.W.O.D.?}} As part of Optimus's training, Micronus challenged him to a test which resulted in him unlocking the capabilities of the [[Prime Decepticon Hunter]]. {{storylink|Out of Focus}} Though Optimus did not fully complete his training, he had six of the Primes in the [[Realm of the Primes]] send him to Earth to deal with the return of Megatronus, {{storylink|Battlegrounds, Part 1}} which he successfully accomplished with the aid of the [[Bee Team (RID)|Bee Team]]. {{storylink|Battlegrounds, Part 2}}

'''Known members:'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Prima]]
*[[Vector Prime]]
*[[Alpha Trion]]
*[[Solus Prime]]
*[[Micronus Prime]]
*[[Alchemist Prime]]
*[[Nexus Prime]]
*[[Onyx Prime]]
*[[Amalgamous Prime]]
*[[Quintus Prime]]
*[[Liege Maximo]]
*[[The Fallen|Megatronus]]
*[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]]
}}
:''See "[[#Covenant Thirteen|Covenant Thirteen]]" above''
{{--}}

===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
[[File:Heavy-TheThirteen.jpg|thumb|375px|"I think the Thirteen were blurry, that's the problem. It's not the artist's fault. The Primes were blurry, and that's extra scary to me. There were thirteen large, out-of-focus Transformers roaming Cybertron."]]
After the departure of the mythical [[Knights of Cybertron]], Cybertronian civilization, deprived of their benevolent guidance, descended once more into a primitive state of barbarism, with lesser tribal leaders carving out kingdoms and territories of their own. It was to this landscape that the [[Decepticon]] [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] was cast back in time by the destruction of his [[chronal drive]], and — after an encounter with a kindly shepherd named [[Onyx Prime|Onyx]] — realised from his extensive historical foreknowledge that he could study why Cybertronians inevitably fell to war by ensuring that history followed the path he knew that it must. As such, Shockwave murdered Onyx and took his identity as "Onyx Prime" in order to engineer the rise of the Thirteen Primes; his first act was to christen the most fearless member of Onyx's flock as "[[The Fallen|Megatronus]]", taking him on as a student.

Knowing that Megatronus's conquests would be the impetus for the founding of Cybertronian civilization, Shockwave allowed his pupil to run amok; {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named}} Megatronus thus began a new war of conquest to expand the [[Darklands]], annexing nearby regions such as the city of [[Protihex|Protohex]] and the [[Forgotten Plains]], murdering neighbouring ruler [[Septimus Prime]] and recruiting the fearsome twin [[gladiatorial combat|gladiators]] [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] and [[Arcee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Arcee]] to become his vanguards. Other tribal leaders who had arisen, including [[Alchemist Prime]], [[Vector Prime]], [[Solus Prime]], [[Nexus Prime]] and [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], agreed in the face of Megatronus's conquests to work together, uniting their followers and founding a small village that they named "[[Crystal City]]." {{storylink|Origin Myths}}

While Megatronus's legions marched on Crystal City, the united Primes were bolstered by Onyx Prime and his ''other'' student, [[Liege Maximo]], {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named}} whose kingdom had been claimed by the Darklander advance. The two armies met in a battle that had the unexpected side effect of awakening three slumbering [[Titan (IDW)|Titan]]s — [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]], and [[Chela]] — from beneath Cybertron's surface, but while the armies were distracted by the arrival of the colossal beings, Onyx "realized" that their enemy was his "old friend" Megatronus. The two armies agreed to a truce, and all eight primes vowed to work together to rebuild and unify their planet. Having been enlightened on the value of myths and stories by Alpha Trion, Onyx Prime began telling tales of his own, inspiring Alchemist with legends of a "Chosen One" and dreaming up a new [[Autobot|insignia]] to commemorate their alliance — {{storylink|Origin Myths}} all, of course, based on his own knowledge of what the future held. The [[Dark Cybertron (prophecy)|"Dark Cybertron" prophecy]] and idea of the Chosen One were specifically concocted to ensure [[Starscream (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Starscream]]'s future rise to power, as a "fool" like Starscream would not be able to see through Shockwave's machinations. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named}}

The eight original Primes were soon joined by five more, and over time Cybertron's inhabitants united under the banner of the [[Thirteen Tribes]], each Prime building a distinct civilization. {{storylink|The Crucible}} In this era of peace, the Liege Maximo was responsible for building and maintaining the alliance between the Thirteen; in honor of his feats, Liege Maximo's followers became known as skilled diplomats and negotiators. {{storylink|Heavy}} Each Prime commanded the loyalty of at least one [[Titan (IDW)|Titan]], {{storylink|The Sum and Its Parts}} {{storylink|First Contact (IDW)|First Contact}} while the diminutive [[Titan Master]]s served as their heralds. {{storylink|White Heat}} Over the years, however, the decidedly mortal Primes had come to believe that they were inherently superior to other Cybertronians due to their powerful artifacts and historic feats; indeed, it was commonly held only another Prime could kill a Prime, though this was decidedly untrue. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} {{storylink|The Crucible}}

[[File:TheFirstWhoWasNamed-MegatronusKillsSolus.jpg|thumb|left|310px|Sephiroth, you jerk!]]
With Cybertron now in a "golden age", Onyx advised the Thirteen's leader [[Prima]] to spread Cybertron's "enlightenment" to other worlds, with their expedition — led by Onyx and Megatronus, with Alpha Trion accompanying them as recordskeeper — being the first to leave the planet since the Knights of Cybertron. However, their first planetary landing ended in brutal conflict, and Prima blamed Megatronus for the expedition's failure. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named}} Liege Maximo, who (seeing helpful lies as more beneficient than harmful truths) had become increasingly manipulative and self-serving, {{storylink|Heavy}} acted on Onyx's orders to stoke Megatronus's resentment over this incident, leading him to attack Prima. Solus Prime intervened to save Prima's life, but Megatronus killed her with the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]] that she had created.

Megatronus fled the planet, while Liege Maximo was captured by the Primes and imprisoned within his titan, [[Vigilem]], whom the other Titans deemed unworthy of remembrance and exiled into space. A repentant splinter of Liege Maximo's old tribe agreed to keep their former leader and his Titan permanently interred, renaming their dormant Titan "[[Vigilem|Carcer]]". {{storylink|Rubicon}} {{storylink|Heavy}} {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

The fallout from Maximo's betrayal sparked the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]], turning the tribes against one another in a planet-wide conflict. {{storylink|The Crucible}} Battle lines were drawn, but allegiances shifted throughout the war, necessitating betrayals and new alliances; Onyx initially allied with Micronus, {{storylink|White Heat}} but by ten million years ago, with the war drawing to a close, his tribe of [[beast mode]] Transformers had joined forces with Nexus Prime and his [[combiner]]s. Together, they raised a new army of [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] using the [[Enigma of Combination]]. Disgusted by this fusion, [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] abandoned his post in Megatronus' army to slaughter the Headmasters to the last 'bot. {{storylink|Earthfall Chapter 3: The Mind Bomb|The Mind Bomb}}

Together, Onyx Prime and Prima hunted down Megatronus aboard Prima's Titan [[Emissary (IDW)|Emissary]], finding him on the planet [[Tsiehshi]]. Megatronus killed Prima before being slain by Onyx, his usefulness to Shockwave's machinations at an end; Emissary carried Prima's body to the stars, but Onyx ensured that he would crash on [[Elonia|a faraway planet]]. On returning, Onyx told Alpha Trion that Megatronus and Prima slew each other in final battle — the account of their deaths that he had learned from Trion in his youth. Megatronus's name was soon forgotten by history, and he became known only as "the Fallen". {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

Eventually, Galvatron tracked down and confronted Nexus Prime, obliterating the Prime with a single blast. Realizing that they were as mortal as any other Transformer, the remaining few Primes fled the planet for other worlds, with the exception of Alpha Trion. The war finally ended when Galvatron and [[Nova Prime|Nova Major]] famously routed the bestial hordes of [[Onyx Prime]] and, with Trion's aid and blessing, united the tribes as one planet under Nova '''Prime'''. Only Galvatron and Trion were left aware of what had happened to the Thirteen Primes; Alpha Trion simply let himself fade into the background of Cybertronian society, his true background as a Prime forgotten by the general populace. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

One way or another, the Thirteen departed Cybertron and vanished from history at around the same time that the thirteen [[Titan (IDW)|Titan]]s departed Cybertron, with the intent of founding new colonies elsewhere in the galaxy. {{storylink|First Contact (IDW)|First Contact}} Exact details are unclear, but the mythologies of several of these colony planets claim that the Primes, including [[Solus Prime]] and [[Onyx Prime]], had spearheaded the colonization missions themselves and subsequently left these newly settled worlds to their own devices. {{storylink|The Sum and Its Parts}} {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 6}} Either way, the developing civilizations on the colony worlds – cut off from Cybertron and the brutal injustices committed by Nova Prime and [[Nominus Prime|his]] [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|dubious]] [[Zeta Prime|successors]] – began deifying the Thirteen Primes, with some going so far as to worship any leader who wielded the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. The [[Way of Flame|dominant religion]] on [[Caminus]] exalted Solus Prime as the greatest of the Thirteen, {{storylink|The Sum and Its Parts}} while the four tribes of [[Eukaris]] and their prophet [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] viewed Onyx Prime as a benevolent protector. {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 6}}

The role that the original Primes had played in the establishment of Cybertronian society would eventually be immortalized on the silver screen in the "hella-racist" film, ''[[The Birth of Cybertron]]''. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 4: Dance Among the Shadows|Dance Among the Shadows}} {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}}

[[Micronus Prime]], master of [[Prion]], {{storylink|White Heat}} was known to have abandoned his native universe entirely after founding a colony of [[Mini-Con]]s. By the present day, his body lay dormant in the center of an alternate universe: the subatomic realm of [[Microspace]]. {{storylink|O Ship of State}} The ruler of Microspace, [[Baron Karza]] eventually {{i|enerchange}}d with Micronus and used the Prime's power to try and conquer the Earth, {{storylink|Wrath of Karza issue 1|Wrath of Karza #1}} only for [[Shazraella]] to use {{i|Time Traveler}} energy to separate the Prime from her husband and banish the Mini-Con through time. {{storylink|Wrath of Karza issue 5|Wrath of Karza #5}}

[[File:GhostStories-onyxprime.jpg|thumb|right|210px|"Stand and address your Almighty Tallest, Camien child."]]

The colony of [[Caminus]] detected a Cybertronian beacon emanating from the planet [[Antilla]] and sent three representatives to make contact with their ancestors. When they arrived, they found the planet to be a rusted wasteland ruled by Onyx Prime, who murdered [[Magrada]]. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}} Following the expedition's return to Caminus, the [[Torchbearer]] [[Pyra Magna]] encountered Onyx Prime when an army of robotic beasts terrorized the inhabitants of [[Parvus Oppidum]]. The experience left her traumatized, but with time she realized that the Primes were not the divine entities that she had believed them to be and began preparing to take up arms against Primes should the need arise. {{storylink|Ghost Stories}}

In the modern day, [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] unknowingly sent the [[Regenesis]] ores off to what he believed were random suitable worlds, but were, thanks to his future self's time-travelling manipulations, worlds touched by the Thirteen. {{storylink|The Crucible}} {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

When Cybertron re-opened a [[space bridge|spacebridge]] link with Caminus after years of isolation, the [[Mistress of Flame]] believed that Optimus, wielding the Matrix of Leadership, was the legendary reincarnation of the Thirteenth Prime: a mysterious figure from Cybertron's past known as "[[the Arisen]]". {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 3: The Medium and the Message|The Medium and the Message}} Optimus's supposed divinity proved a double-edged sword as he grew increasingly bold and unilateral in his decision making; leaning on the faith of others to unconditionally support his choices, he wound up annexing Earth into the [[Council of Worlds]] and sparking an interplanetary diplomatic crisis. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 1: Once Upon a Time on Earth|Once Upon a Time on Earth}} [[Colonist Soldiers|New recruits]] from Caminus, Eukaris, [[Velocitron]], and [[Devisiun]] believed wholeheartedly in Optimus's status as one of the Thirteen and began wearing [[mouthplate]]s to better emulate their leader. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 1: To Walk Among the Chosen|To Walk Among the Chosen}}

Liege Maximo escaped from his imprisonment in Carcer in 2017, following a [[zombie]] Titan invasion on Cybertron. {{storylink|Rubicon}} The Camien [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] was released from prison by Cybertron's leader Starscream to hunt Maximo down, {{storylink|Heavy}} {{storylink|The Chosen One}} but Liege — who, by this point, had come to understand his master's decision to exile him aboard his loyal Titan — was found by Onyx, and brought with him in chains on his return to Cybertron. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}} Liege was taken into custody while Optimus and the [[Council of Worlds]] entered negotiations with Onyx, but the Prime's manipulations caused infighting and chaos, as well as an explosion that killed Alpha Trion. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}} With all of his plans falling into place, Shockwave discarded his "Onyx" identity, having no further use for it after he cast Optimus into the Crystal City singularity. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}}

'''Known members:'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Prima]]
*[[Vector Prime]]
*[[Alpha Trion]]
*[[Solus Prime]]
*[[Micronus Prime]]
*[[Alchemist Prime]]
*[[Nexus Prime]]
*"[[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Onyx Prime]]"
*[[Amalgamous Prime]]
*[[Quintus Prime]]
*[[Liege Maximo]]
*[[The Fallen]]
*[[The Arisen]]
}}
:''See "[[#Covenant Thirteen|Covenant Thirteen]]" above''
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===Olympian universe===
In certain universes, the Thirteen visited [[Greece]] in a time before human technology was advanced enough for them to assume vehicular disguises. Instead, twelve of their number dwelled on [[Mount Olympus]] and used [[holomatter]] avatars to interact with the natives, {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/20}} while [[Mortilus]] remained beneath the Earth with their ship, alongside his vassal [[Bruticus (RID)|Bruticus]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/08}}

As "quasi-humans", the Thirteen would become known to the local humans as the {{w|Twelve Olympians|gods of Olympus}}. [[Vector Prime]] was {{w|Hermes}}; the rage-filled [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] was {{w|Ares}}; the hard-working [[Solus Prime]] was {{w|Hephaestus}}; the wise [[Alpha Trion]] was {{w|Athena}}; the eldest of their number [[Prima]] was {{w|Zeus}}; his close ally [[Nexus Prime|Nexus Maximus]] was {{w|Hera}}; the nature-loving hunter [[Onyx Prime]] was {{w|Artemis}}; the hard-drinking [[Alchemist Prime]] was {{w|Dionysus}}; the vain and manipulative [[Liege Maximo]] was {{w|Aphrodite}}; the healer [[Last Autobot|Autonomous Prime]] was {{w|Apollo}}; the chaotic [[Adaptus]] was {{w|Poseidon}}; the solitary Mortilus was {{w|Hades}}; and the knowledge-sharing [[Epistemus]] was {{w|Demeter}}. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/20}} {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/08}}

As the Olympians, several of the Thirteen deviated from both their more common gender identities and their status as siblings; Vector considered Hades and Poseidon to be his uncles, {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/20}} and because of the animosity between Hephaestus and Aphrodite, Zeus decreed that they should be [[Transformer romance|bonded together]] to avoid further conflict (which only made things worse). Amongst the Thirteen's many experiences, Hades and Demeter quarrelled over a woman named [[Persephone]]; Vector would later note that as "quasi-humans" their conflicts were far more petty and frequent. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/08}}

'''Known members:'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Vector Prime|Hermes]]
*[[The Fallen|Ares]]
*[[Solus Prime|Hephaestus]]
*[[Alpha Trion|Athena]]
*[[Prima|Zeus]]
*[[Nexus Prime|Hera]]
*[[Onyx Prime|Artemis]]
*[[Alchemist Prime|Dionysus]]
*[[Liege Maximo|Aphrodite]]
*[[Last Autobot|Apollo]]
*[[Adaptus|Poseidon]]
*[[Mortilus|Hades]]
*[[Epistemus|Demeter]]
}}

===''Power of the Primes'' marketing material===
The [[spark]]s of the original Primes were carried by the [[Prime Master]]s, diminutive Transformers who, when in spark mode, could unite with larger Transformers to grant them [[Prime Master/Combinations|the powers of the Primes]] to wield as they choose. To minimise unwanted attention from those who sought the power they held, the Prime Masters hid themselves inside special decoy armor, which cloaked their vast power from the outside world.

Rather than a Prime Master, the role of the Thirteenth Prime was held by whoever bore the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. <ref name="POTPMatrix"/>

'''Known members:'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Prima]]
*[[Vector Prime]]
*[[Alpha Trion]]
*[[Solus Prime]]
*[[Micronus Prime]]
*[[Alchemist Prime]]
*[[Nexus Prime]]
*[[Onyx Prime]]
*[[Amalgamous Prime]]
*[[Quintus Prime]]
*[[Liege Maximo]]
*[[The Fallen|Megatronus]]
}}
:''See "[[#Covenant Thirteen|Covenant Thirteen]]" above''
{{--}}

===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoon===
The combined knowledge of the Thirteen was hidden away in the [[Athenaeum Sanctorum]]. In the wake of [[Solus Prime]]'s death at [[The Fallen|Megatronus]]'s hands, the remaining members chose to seal away the [[Requiem Blaster (Megatronus)|Requiem Blaster]] in [[Primal Swamp]], tasking a series of guardians with protecting it that culminated in [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]. {{storylink|Athenaeum Sanctorum (episode)|Athenaeum Sanctorum}}

During a crisis, the [[Mistress of Flame]] prayed to Primus and the Thirteen for spiritual guidance and aid. {{storylink|Overlord and Emissary}}

'''Known members:'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]
*[[Alchemist Prime]]
*[[Quintus Prime]]
*[[Alpha Trion]]
*[[Amalgamous Prime]]
*[[Solus Prime]]
*[[Prima]]
*[[The Fallen|Megatronus]]
}}
{{note|The intro sequence to ''Power of the Primes'' shows the wheel of symbols representing the twelve Primes of the ''POTP'' marketing material; however, considering the anomalous presence of Sentinel, it's hard to take this as confirmation that those twelve are members of the Thirteen in-universe.}}
{{--}}

==Notes==
*''Transformers: The Ultimate Guide'' asserts that all of the Thirteen were destroyed in the early battle between Primus and Unicron, but the statement was disproven by the book itself, since it recounted how The Fallen was not destroyed but exiled to a transdimensional prison from which he later escaped. Fun Publications comics would later depict Vector Prime as the sole surviving member of the Thirteen, and then go on to introduce Nexus Prime as a co-survivor alongside him.
*In Hasbro Q&A on October, 2009 from [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=63609 ''The Allspark Forum''], The Thirteen are referred to as "the Original Epic Warriors of Cybertron" by Hasbro.
*The notion of the Primes being originally huge is similar to early ''Revenge of the Fallen'' concepts where the Fallen dwarfed Optimus and was almost the size of a pyramid, as evident from [[Defiance issue 4|''Defiance'' #4]] and the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novelization]].

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Saisho no Jūsannin no Prime''' (最初の13人のプライム, "Original 13 Primes")

==References==
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MediaWiki:TFWiki.net 2018 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Toy

2018-06-21T03:12:23Z

NovaSaber: /* Poll entries */

This is the page for the '''TFWiki.net Transformers Hall of Fame 2018 Hasbro Toy of the Year''' entries. The rules are as follows:

#You must pick your top three '''official''' ''Transformers'' toys released '''or''' scheduled to be released by Hasbro in the 2018 calendar year. See also [[2018#Hasbro|here]].
##"Hasbro Favorite Transformers Character" votes '''[[Transformers Wiki:TFWiki.net 2018 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Character|go here!]]'''
#Pick only toys that have been '''officially announced'''. No leaks!
#If a character appeared in more than one scale or toyline, please '''specify the series and size-class''' (eg ''Studio Series'' Leader Class Grimlock vs ''Power of the Primes'' Voyager Class Grimlock).
#No toys '''only''' released by TakaraTomy. It's the Hasbro toy of the year award!
#Take your top three list and '''put it in alphabetical order'''. Order of preference does not matter.
#Only one entry per user.

Please put your toys of choice and user name below in the following manner:

* Blackout, Starscream (Studio Series), Slash --<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>

==Poll entries==


*Elita One, Grimlock (Studio Series), Slash --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 22:19, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackout, Grimlock (Studio Series), Slash --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:34, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
*Grimlock (Studio Series), Shockwave (Cyber Series), Stinger --[[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:40, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackout, Overlord (Legends), Shockwave (Cyber Series) --[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 03:53, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Battletrap, Megatron (Studio Series), Optimus Prime (Studio Series) [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 04:24, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Optimal Optimus, Predaking, Rodimus Unicronus --[[User:DalekSupreme13|DalekSupreme13]] ([[User talk:DalekSupreme13|talk]]) 06:17, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Battleslash, Roadtrap, Windcharger --[[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 06:56, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Optimus Prime (POTP), Jazz (Studio Series), Megatron (Studio Series)–[[User:Nickster563|Nickster563]] ([[User talk:Nickster563|talk]]) 11:05, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
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*Elita One, Slash, Stinger -- [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 13:30, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Optimus Prime (POTP) -- [[User:S-NFS|SNFS]] ([[User talk:S-NFS|talk]]) 0:53, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
*Blackout, Grimlock (Studio Series), Optimal Optimus --[[User:LordTacos|LordTacos]] ([[User talk:LordTacos|talk]]) 01:03, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackout, Elita One, Nemesis Prime -- [[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] ([[User talk:Autobot62695|talk]]) 06:24, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
*Slash, Starscream (Studio Series), Swoop -- [[User:Wing-Thing|Wing-Thing]] ([[User_talk:Wing-Thing|talk]]) 24:53, 15 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackout, Grimlock (Studio Series), War Hammer Bumblebee -- [[User:BlackJack2531|BlackJack2531]] ([[User talk:BlackJack2531|talk]]) 12:30, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
*Elita One, Optimus Prime (POTP), Rodimus Prime --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:23, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
*Battleslash, Roadtrap, Rodimus Unicronus -- [[User:Otaku|Otaku]] ([[User talk:Otaku|talk]]) 15:14, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
*Perceptor (TR Deluxe), Elita One, Rodimus Unicronus --[[User:Roguesorceress|Roguesorceress]] ([[User talk:Roguesorceress|talk]]) 06:27, 19 June 2018 (EDT)
*Slash, Snarl, Swoop --[[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 23:10, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

MediaWiki:TFWiki.net 2018 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Character

2018-06-21T03:12:08Z

NovaSaber: /* Poll entries */

This is the page for the '''TFWiki.net Transformers Hall of Fame Favorite Character Auditions''' entries. The rules are as follows:

#You must pick your top '''three''' ''Transformers'' characters, from any era. They must actually '''be''' Transformers; sorry, but no humans, non-Transformer aliens, non-Transformer robots, or anything else of the sort are being considered for the Hall of Fame. Any votes for such entities will '''not''' be tabulated. It is the sole discretion of the contest organizers to decide what does and does not count.
##"Hasbro Toy of the Year" votes '''[[Transformers Wiki:TFWiki.net 2018 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Toy|go here!]]'''
#Take your top three list and '''put it in alphabetical order'''. Order of preference does not matter. Feel free to denote the character's franchise of origin, although these distinctions may or may not figure into the final results.
#You '''cannot''' pick a specific version of '''Arcee, Bumblebee, Cosmos, Dinobot, Galvatron, Grimlock, Ironhide, Jazz, Megatron, ''Beast Wars'' Megatron, Optimus Primal, Optimus Prime, Predaking (combiner), Prowl, Ratchet, Rodimus, Shockwave, Soundwave, Starscream, Ultra Magnus, Waspinator, or Wheeljack.''' They've already been inducted!
#Only one entry per user.

Please put your characters of choice and user name below in the following manner:

*Airrazor (BW), Laserbeak, Sentinel Prime (Animated)--<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>

==Poll entries==


*Blackarachnia, Hot Shot, Ravage --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 22:12, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Cheetor, Wreck-Gar -- [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 22:22, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Cheetor, Ginrai --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:33, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
*Lockdown, Ratbat, Unicron --[[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:37, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
*Elita-One, Rattrap, Swindle --[[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:01, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Dreadwing, Onslaught --[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 03:47, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Devastator, Impactor, Lockdown --[[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 04:25, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Rampage (BW), Tarantulas --[[User:DalekSupreme13|DalekSupreme13]] ([[User talk:DalekSupreme13|talk]]) 06:11, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Computron, Omega Supreme, Sky Lynx (G1) --[[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 06:54, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Sky-Byte --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 07:15, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Devastator, Unicron --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:56, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Hot Shot, Lockdown --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 08:17, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Devastator, Springer, Unicron -- [[User:Darkwingduck|Darkwingduck]] ([[User talk:Darkwingduck|talk]]) 11:38, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Demolishor, Hot Shot, Sideways -- [[User:Stardust262|Stardust262]] ([[User talk:Stardust262|talk]]) 12:36, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Bisk, Blackarachnia, Tarantulas -- [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 13:23, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Chromedome, First Aid, Perceptor--[[User:Red|Red]] ([[User talk:Red|talk]]) 21:17, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Devastator, Hot Shot, Ravage--[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] ([[User talk:Bluestreak7|talk]]) 17:39, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Delta Magnus, Deszaras, Cheetor -- [[User:S-NFS|S-NFS]] ([[User talk:S-NFS|talk]]) 0:49, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
*Astrotrain, Hot Shot, Skids -- [[User:TripleTurbo|TripleTurbo]] 18:32, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Evac (Cybertron), Jetfire, Nautica -- [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:57, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Bulkhead, Scourge (RID '01), Sky-Byte -- [[User:Otaku|Otaku]] ([[User talk:Otaku|talk]]) 20:03, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Devastator, Metroplex, Springer -- [[User:Warpath1251|Warpath1251]] 21:04, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Cyclonus (G1), Sky-Byte --[[User:LordTacos|LordTacos]] ([[User talk:LordTacos|talk]]) 01:07, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Devastator, Jetfire -- [[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] ([[User talk:Autobot62695|talk]]) 06:35, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
*Hot Shot, Killbison, Mixmaster --[[User:Wing-Thing|Wing-Thing]] ([[User_talk:Wing-Thing|talk]]) 24:58, 15 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackjack, Hot Rod, Skids -- [[User:BlackJack2531|BlackJack2531]] ([[User talk:BlackJack2531|talk]]) 12:31, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
*Cyclonus (G1), Scourge (RID), Sky-Byte --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:22, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blades (RB), Knock Out (Prime), Quillfire (RID) --[[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 18:04, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
[[Category:TFWiki.net]]
*Cyclonus (G1), Overlord, Scorponok (G1) -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 04:21, 15 June 2018 (EDT)
*Inferno (BW), Lio Convoy, Movor (RID) -- [[User:NITR0B1AST|NITR0B1AST]]
([[User talk:NITR0B1AST|talk]]) 09:00, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
*Chromedome, Rewind, Thundercracker -- [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 09:31, 17 June 2018 (EDT)
*Windblade, Blackarachnia, Unicron --[[User:Roguesorceress|Roguesorceress]] ([[User talk:Roguesorceress|talk]]) 06:10, 19 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Sideways --[[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 23:08, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

MediaWiki:TFWiki.net 2018 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Toy

2018-06-21T03:10:38Z

NovaSaber: /* Poll entries */

This is the page for the '''TFWiki.net Transformers Hall of Fame 2018 Hasbro Toy of the Year''' entries. The rules are as follows:

#You must pick your top three '''official''' ''Transformers'' toys released '''or''' scheduled to be released by Hasbro in the 2018 calendar year. See also [[2018#Hasbro|here]].
##"Hasbro Favorite Transformers Character" votes '''[[Transformers Wiki:TFWiki.net 2018 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Character|go here!]]'''
#Pick only toys that have been '''officially announced'''. No leaks!
#If a character appeared in more than one scale or toyline, please '''specify the series and size-class''' (eg ''Studio Series'' Leader Class Grimlock vs ''Power of the Primes'' Voyager Class Grimlock).
#No toys '''only''' released by TakaraTomy. It's the Hasbro toy of the year award!
#Take your top three list and '''put it in alphabetical order'''. Order of preference does not matter.
#Only one entry per user.

Please put your toys of choice and user name below in the following manner:

* Blackout, Starscream (Studio Series), Slash --<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>

==Poll entries==


*Elita One, Grimlock (Studio Series), Slash --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 22:19, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackout, Grimlock (Studio Series), Slash --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:34, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
*Grimlock (Studio Series), Shockwave (Cyber Series), Stinger --[[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:40, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackout, Overlord (Legends), Shockwave (Cyber Series) --[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 03:53, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Battletrap, Megatron (Studio Series), Optimus Prime (Studio Series) [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 04:24, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Optimal Optimus, Predaking, Rodimus Unicronus --[[User:DalekSupreme13|DalekSupreme13]] ([[User talk:DalekSupreme13|talk]]) 06:17, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Battleslash, Roadtrap, Windcharger --[[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 06:56, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Optimus Prime (POTP), Jazz (Studio Series), Megatron (Studio Series)–[[User:Nickster563|Nickster563]] ([[User talk:Nickster563|talk]]) 11:05, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
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*Elita One, Slash, Stinger -- [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 13:30, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Optimus Prime (POTP) -- [[User:S-NFS|SNFS]] ([[User talk:S-NFS|talk]]) 0:53, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
*Blackout, Grimlock (Studio Series), Optimal Optimus --[[User:LordTacos|LordTacos]] ([[User talk:LordTacos|talk]]) 01:03, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackout, Elita One, Nemesis Prime -- [[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] ([[User talk:Autobot62695|talk]]) 06:24, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
*Slash, Starscream (Studio Series), Swoop -- [[User:Wing-Thing|Wing-Thing]] ([[User_talk:Wing-Thing|talk]]) 24:53, 15 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackout, Grimlock (Studio Series), War Hammer Bumblebee -- [[User:BlackJack2531|BlackJack2531]] ([[User talk:BlackJack2531|talk]]) 12:30, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
*Elita One, Optimus Prime (POTP), Rodimus Prime --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:23, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
*Battleslash, Roadtrap, Rodimus Unicronus -- [[User:Otaku|Otaku]] ([[User talk:Otaku|talk]]) 15:14, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
*Perceptor (TR Deluxe), Elita One, Rodimus Unicronus --[[User:Roguesorceress|Roguesorceress]] ([[User talk:Roguesorceress|talk]]) 06:27, 19 June 2018 (EDT)
*Slash, Snarl, Swoop [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 23:10, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

MediaWiki:TFWiki.net 2018 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Character

2018-06-21T03:08:53Z

NovaSaber:

This is the page for the '''TFWiki.net Transformers Hall of Fame Favorite Character Auditions''' entries. The rules are as follows:

#You must pick your top '''three''' ''Transformers'' characters, from any era. They must actually '''be''' Transformers; sorry, but no humans, non-Transformer aliens, non-Transformer robots, or anything else of the sort are being considered for the Hall of Fame. Any votes for such entities will '''not''' be tabulated. It is the sole discretion of the contest organizers to decide what does and does not count.
##"Hasbro Toy of the Year" votes '''[[Transformers Wiki:TFWiki.net 2018 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Toy|go here!]]'''
#Take your top three list and '''put it in alphabetical order'''. Order of preference does not matter. Feel free to denote the character's franchise of origin, although these distinctions may or may not figure into the final results.
#You '''cannot''' pick a specific version of '''Arcee, Bumblebee, Cosmos, Dinobot, Galvatron, Grimlock, Ironhide, Jazz, Megatron, ''Beast Wars'' Megatron, Optimus Primal, Optimus Prime, Predaking (combiner), Prowl, Ratchet, Rodimus, Shockwave, Soundwave, Starscream, Ultra Magnus, Waspinator, or Wheeljack.''' They've already been inducted!
#Only one entry per user.

Please put your characters of choice and user name below in the following manner:

*Airrazor (BW), Laserbeak, Sentinel Prime (Animated)--<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>

==Poll entries==


*Blackarachnia, Hot Shot, Ravage --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 22:12, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Cheetor, Wreck-Gar -- [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 22:22, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Cheetor, Ginrai --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:33, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
*Lockdown, Ratbat, Unicron --[[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 23:37, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
*Elita-One, Rattrap, Swindle --[[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:01, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Dreadwing, Onslaught --[[User:Jirr'kel|Shockblaster's Hideout]] ([[User talk:Jirr'kel|talk]]) 03:47, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Devastator, Impactor, Lockdown --[[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 04:25, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Rampage (BW), Tarantulas --[[User:DalekSupreme13|DalekSupreme13]] ([[User talk:DalekSupreme13|talk]]) 06:11, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Computron, Omega Supreme, Sky Lynx (G1) --[[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 06:54, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Sky-Byte --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 07:15, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Devastator, Unicron --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:56, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Hot Shot, Lockdown --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 08:17, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Devastator, Springer, Unicron -- [[User:Darkwingduck|Darkwingduck]] ([[User talk:Darkwingduck|talk]]) 11:38, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Demolishor, Hot Shot, Sideways -- [[User:Stardust262|Stardust262]] ([[User talk:Stardust262|talk]]) 12:36, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Bisk, Blackarachnia, Tarantulas -- [[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 13:23, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Chromedome, First Aid, Perceptor--[[User:Red|Red]] ([[User talk:Red|talk]]) 21:17, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Devastator, Hot Shot, Ravage--[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] ([[User talk:Bluestreak7|talk]]) 17:39, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Delta Magnus, Deszaras, Cheetor -- [[User:S-NFS|S-NFS]] ([[User talk:S-NFS|talk]]) 0:49, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
*Astrotrain, Hot Shot, Skids -- [[User:TripleTurbo|TripleTurbo]] 18:32, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Evac (Cybertron), Jetfire, Nautica -- [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:57, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Bulkhead, Scourge (RID '01), Sky-Byte -- [[User:Otaku|Otaku]] ([[User talk:Otaku|talk]]) 20:03, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Devastator, Metroplex, Springer -- [[User:Warpath1251|Warpath1251]] 21:04, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Cyclonus (G1), Sky-Byte --[[User:LordTacos|LordTacos]] ([[User talk:LordTacos|talk]]) 01:07, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Devastator, Jetfire -- [[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] ([[User talk:Autobot62695|talk]]) 06:35, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
*Hot Shot, Killbison, Mixmaster --[[User:Wing-Thing|Wing-Thing]] ([[User_talk:Wing-Thing|talk]]) 24:58, 15 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackjack, Hot Rod, Skids -- [[User:BlackJack2531|BlackJack2531]] ([[User talk:BlackJack2531|talk]]) 12:31, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
*Cyclonus (G1), Scourge (RID), Sky-Byte --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:22, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blades (RB), Knock Out (Prime), Quillfire (RID) --[[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 18:04, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
[[Category:TFWiki.net]]
*Cyclonus (G1), Overlord, Scorponok (G1) -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 04:21, 15 June 2018 (EDT)
*Inferno (BW), Lio Convoy, Movor (RID) -- [[User:NITR0B1AST|NITR0B1AST]]
([[User talk:NITR0B1AST|talk]]) 09:00, 16 June 2018 (EDT)
*Chromedome, Rewind, Thundercracker -- [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 09:31, 17 June 2018 (EDT)
*Windblade, Blackarachnia, Unicron --[[User:Roguesorceress|Roguesorceress]] ([[User talk:Roguesorceress|talk]]) 06:10, 19 June 2018 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Sideways [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 23:08, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

Thirteen

2018-06-21T02:37:58Z

NovaSaber: /* Members */ Describing the Multiversal Thirteen more independently instead of with so much comparison to the Covenant version

{{disambig2|the group of ancient [[Transformer]]s|the unreleased comic series|Transformers: The Thirteen}}
[[File:Original13.jpg|center|upright=2.8|thumb|Guess the one on fire!]]

{{quote|We are the 13, the first, the forgotten, each of us serving a function vital to the survival of the universe. Each of us designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] and given a function to serve during the long march of infinity.|[[Vector Prime]]|"[[Vector Prime: In the Beginning]]"}}

The '''Thirteen''' are the first [[Transformer]]s created by [[Primus]]. Rightfully huge and powerful, each was designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]],<ref>A Hasbro Q&A response would later try to alter this. See Notes above.</ref> and given unique roles and natures to battle Primus's ancient foe [[Unicron]].

==Conceptual history==
[[File:BW Covenant.jpg|left|thumb|The [[Covenant (group)|Covenant]] shares a very similar base concept with the Thirteen, and may have been the original inspiration for them.]]
The concept of the Thirteen has only been around for about a third of the Transformers brand's thirty-year history, and the slow drip-feeding of information that characterized the early stages of their story was not been presented in a very linear manner. The development of the concept is described in this section to minimize confusion; for details of their history and actions in specific bits of fiction, see below.

The very earliest seeds of the Thirteen can probably be found in material produced by [[3H Productions]] for [[BotCon]], most notably 1999's "[[Covenant (story)|Covenant]]". This story introduces the undeniably similar concept of the [[Covenant (group)|Covenant]], a group of twelve zodiac-themed robots who are the first creations of [[Primus]], created as a test-run for the Transformer race. Despite the basic similarity between the Covenant and the Thirteen, though, the two groups were not connected until 2015, and those same stories by 3H would ultimately contradict the later lore of the Thirteen by introducing [[Primon]], a Matrix-bearer who preceded [[Prima]], which should not be possible. (That 2015 connection was an October entry for "[[Ask Vector Prime]]", which flagged up that nobody in-universe knew if the Covenant had a link to the Thirteen and that they may just be stories the Thirteen tell themselves.)

[[File:Vectorprimeut.jpg|thumb|[[Fun Publications]] established [[Vector Prime]] to be a member of the Thirteen in 2005.]]

It was in the pages of 2004's ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' that the mysterious "Thirteen Original Transformers" were first spoken of, and their basic origin was laid down: they were the first Transformers created by Primus to battle Unicron, and their number included Prima, the first [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]-bearer from the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comics series]] and [[The Fallen]], an enigmatic servant of Unicron from [[Dreamwave Productions]]' 2003 comic, ''[[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages]]''. The book also noted that if ''[[Alignment]]'' had been published, the [[Liege Maximo]], an ancient evil [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian]] from the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|''Generation 2'' comics]], would have been counted among them as well (retroactively, of course, since ''Alignment'' predated the idea of the Thirteen). The book also contained a passing mention that the enigmatic [[Maccadam|manager]] of [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]], a Cybertronian pub introduced in the UK Generation 1 Marvel Comics, was rumored to be one of the Thirteen (though it also admits that this could be a fabrication by the pub's drunken patrons). Not surprisingly, it was the creator of all four of these characters, [[Simon Furman]], who both wrote the guide and conceived the idea of the Thirteen.<ref>Simon Furman panel, BotCon 2012</ref> While it was Furman who also created the Covenant, it is not yet known whether or not he was deliberately drawing upon his old idea when he introduced the Thirteen in this book.

The concept of the Thirteen quietly bubbled under for the next year, until another element was added with the introduction of [[Vector Prime]] in 2005's ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' series. Although presented merely as a very ancient [[Autobot]] in the original Japanese version of the ''Cybertron'' cartoon, Hasbro envisioned him as one of the Thirteen, and writer [[Forest Lee]] made this explicit in [[Vector Prime: In the Beginning|the first story]] produced for the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]. This story also introduced the idea that all of the Thirteen were [[Prime (rank)|Primes]], and that each had a specific function or purpose; Vector Prime's was stewardship of time, while a 2007 [[bio]] written for The Fallen's ''[[Titanium Series]]'' toy would later reveal he was the overseer of entropy. Between these two releases, in 2006, the short Japanese text story ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'' introduced [[Logos Prime]]; as a Japanese creation, his status among the Thirteen would be in question for years.

[[File:NexusPrimeflankedbyotherPrimes.jpg|left|thumb|Fun Publications also introduced the first [[combiner]], [[Nexus Prime]].]]

While it was not immediately apparent, Hasbro had put a plan in motion for the Thirteen with the Collectors' Club comic: across the next five years, five separate robots were introduced who were gradually revealed to be components of a combiner, Nexus Prime, who was one of the Thirteen. During this five-year span, the subject of the Thirteen often came up at BotCon Q&A sessions, during which the idea of them being [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]] solidified—a concept which purported that across all the different [[universal stream]]s, only one incarnation of each of the Thirteen existed, moving between worlds. This idea would later be canonized with the pages of Fun Publications' comics.

Also during this time, current Transformers comic license holders [[IDW Publishing]] spoke often of a potential comic book mini-series about the Thirteen to be written by Simon Furman, but this was eventually nixed, with Furman noting in 2009 that this was because it had "become more of a [[Hasbro]] thing than an IDW thing."<ref>[http://hombreimaginario.deviantart.com/art/Interviews-10-Simon-Furman-130246343 Furman talks about the Thirteen in an interview on DeviantArt]</ref> Hasbro's desire to control and fully conceptualize the story of the Thirteen was further made evident when, after [[Fun Publications]]' Nexus Prime story concluded in the same year, they effectively took "custody" of the character as part of their future plans. This control, however, was evidently not all-encompassing: also in 2009, The Fallen made a surprising appearance as the titular villain of the second-live action Transformers film, ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', where he was a member not of a group of thirteen, but only ''seven'' Primes. Hasbro's [[Hasbro Q&A/October 2009#AllSpark.com|October 2009 online Q&A]] retroactively justified this by explaining that while all the Thirteen were Primes, only seven actually had the word "Prime" ''in their names''.

[[File:TransformersVault-Prima.jpg|thumb|The new design for [[Prima]] was revealed at [[BotCon 2010]].]]

Eventually, in 2010, the grand scope of the new [[Aligned continuity family]] became the "delivery method" for Hasbro's long-percolating tale of the Thirteen. However, the "Aligned" continuity was also established to ''not'' be part of the multiverse in which all preceding Transformers fiction took place, which until then had lain the groundwork for the Thirteen. As such, the new information introduced by the Aligned continuity was only true for ''that'' continuity, and even chose to ignore or overrule some previous pieces of the story that had been revealed in "Multiverse" stories—The Fallen was given a much more tragic origin story that involved no connection to Unicron, Logos Prime was not included in the ranks of the "Aligned Thirteen", and [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] was named as a member of the Aligned group. From 2010 to 2013, various pieces of Aligned media—including the novels ''[[Transformers: Exodus]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Exiles]]'', the ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' cartoon, and the prose work ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus]]''—detailed in full the complete roster and history of the Thirteen in the Aligned Continuity, including many brand-new characters and events, which can all be read about further down this article.

In 2014, things got a little complicated when [[The Crucible|''Robots in Disguise'' #34]] introduced the Thirteen into IDW Publishing's Generation 1 continuity...except that the Thirteen involved in the story were not the "Multiverse Thirteen", but a version of the "Aligned Thirteen", with a backstory that did not match ''either'' incarnation. Over the course of the next year, the Q&A feature [[Ask Vector Prime]] worked to explain this, revealing that non-singularity versions of the Thirteen also exist within the multiverse, and that the "Aligned Thirteen" were one such example. The feature also revealed the remaining members of the "Multiverse Thirteen", which included a mixture of the new characters from the Aligned version of the group, and other characters drawn from Transformers history (including the [[Guiding Hand]], an entirely ''different'' group of forerunners to the Transformers introduced in IDW's comics). The completion of the roster was done as a "last hurrah" for the singularity version of the Thirteen—in 2015, the Collectors' Club comic storyline ''[[Another Light]]'' saw the Thirteen's existence as multiversal singularities nullified. Freed from the complex bounds of this concept, the story of the Thirteen is now free to be told any way, in any continuity, with membership freely able to differ across universes.
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==Members==
Because of their complicated fictional natures, conceptual histories, and status as multiversal "archetypes", TFWiki.Net opts to break our standard rules a little and give most members of the group a single article that covers all different versions of that character, as opposed to separate articles (G1, Unicron Trilogy, Movie, etc...) for each incarnation.

===Covenant Thirteen===
[[File:OneShallRise1-WellofAllSparks.jpg|thumb|325px|"No, Harry, no! Don't look at the light!"]]
The first full lineup of the Thirteen was originally formalized for the [[Aligned continuity family]], and properly revealed in ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus]]''. The "Aligned Thirteen" were initially considered to be separate from the "Multiverse Thirteen", something backed up in fiction that described their [[universal stream|universal cluster]] as being previously separate from the multiverse, but the core list has since been widely used even in non-Aligned materials such as the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]].

*'''[[Prima]]''' - The leader of the Thirteen, a warrior of light and the first [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix bearer]] who wielded the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]].
*'''[[Vector Prime]]''' - The master of time and space, which he could manipulate through his [[Blades of Time]].
*'''[[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]]''' - Holder of the [[Quill]], which he uses to record the past, present, and future of Cybertron in the [[Covenant of Primus]] in his role as recordskeeper of the Primes.
*'''[[Solus Prime]]''' - The master artificer and creator of many of the Primes' weapons through use of her incredible [[Forge of Solus Prime|Forge]]. She was the first [[female Transformer|female Cybertronian]].
*'''[[Micronus Prime]]''' - The conscience of the Thirteen, and the first [[Mini-Con]], able to [[Powerlinx|link up with and enhance the power]] of his siblings through the use of his [[Chimera Stone]]; responsible for creating the alternate dimension of [[Microspace]].
*'''[[Alchemist Prime]]''' - Student of the elemental structure of the natural world, aided in this by his [[Lenses]], which allowed him to see further and deeper than anyone, in both material and spiritual senses; fond of the occasional tipple, with some claiming that he still walks Cybertron in the form of [[Maccadam|a humble bartender]].
*'''[[Nexus Prime]]''' - The first and greatest combiner, granted the ability to divide himself into separate forms by his [[Enigma of Combination]]. Unpredictable, fascinated by change, and a lighthearted prankster.
*'''[[Onyx Prime]]''' - The first beast-form Cybertronian, a primitive and spiritual being able to view other times, places, souls, and even the afterlife through his three-faced [[Triptych Mask]].
*'''[[Amalgamous Prime]]''' - The joker of the Thirteen and the first [[Shifter]], unpredictable and easygoing. He was first Cybertronian with the ability of [[transformation]], granted him by his [[Transformation cog]], which became the basis for the cogs in all subsequent Transformer life.
*'''[[Quintus Prime]]''' - A daydreamer and perfectionist whose drive to express his ideas led him to become a scientist. His artifact was the [[Emberstone]], which gave him the ability to create life; the [[Quintesson]]s were among his creations.
*'''[[Liege Maximo]]''' - The "Prime of Lies", a black-hearted and amoral manipulator. Though his artifact was notionally the toxin-loaded [[Liegian Darts]], his real skill was his ability to talk others into his way of thinking.
*'''[[The Fallen]]''' - Once known as '''Megatronus''', guardian of entropy and wielder of the [[Requiem Blaster (Megatronus)|Requiem Blaster]], the Fallen's name was stricken from history when the dark warrior turned on his siblings.

====The thirteenth Prime====
Though the twelve aforementioned members of the Thirteen have generally been consistent since their introduction, the thirteenth of their number — always in some way unique and special — has his nature vary between continuities, though he tends to have some connection to [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]].
*'''[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]]''' - In the Aligned continuity family, the Thirteenth was Optimus Prime, the mediator of the Primes, who united the Thirteen by being the first among them to raise an arm in greeting. He would subsequently be reincarnated as '''Orion Pax'''.
*'''[[The Arisen]]''' - In the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]], the name of the mysterious thirteenth member of the group was not recorded in history, being only known as "the Arisen"; the [[Mistress of Flame]] believes he is [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]].
*In the "[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]", the role of the Thirteenth Prime is taken up by whoever bears the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. <ref name="POTPMatrix">Comments made by Hasbro representatives at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2017.</ref>

===Multiversal Thirteen===
[[File:AnotherLight-Thirteen.jpg|thumb|325px|Who are we? You'll never know!]]
Though the "multiversal Thirteen" — considered separate to the "Aligned Thirteen" — had approximately half of their members revealed before any non-multiversal incarnation was ever mentioned, the remainder of their membership was unknown until a [[Ask Vector Prime/Facebook src#ThirteenList|June 2015 Facebook post]] from "[[Ask Vector Prime]]" listed off twelve of Vector Prime's siblings. The members known (or officially "rumored" in one case) before then were:
*'''[[Prima]]''' - The first [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix-bearer]] and first Transformer born from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the leader of the Thirteen.<ref>''Sentinel Prime was one of a dynasty of Primes, stretching back to the original '''13 Transformers''' and their leader, Prima.'' — ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' (2005) 1st ed p15, "Sentinel Prime"</ref> He wielded the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]], a mighty blade capable of unparalleled destruction.
*'''[[Liege Maximo]]''' - A legendary schemer.<ref name="askvectorprime">[[Ask Vector Prime]] on Facebook</ref>
*'''[[The Fallen|Megatronus]]''' - Formerly the guardian of entropy, whose name was stricken from history when he betrayed his brothers and became a [[Herald of Unicron]] under the new name "'''The Fallen'''".<ref>''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]''</ref>
*'''[[Vector Prime]]''' - The guardian of space and time, who spent most of his life outside of reality, observing it and occasionally stepping in to help.
*'''[[Nexus Prime]]''' - The first combiner and the guardian of [[Rarified Energon]].
*'''[[Logos Prime]]''' - An enigmatic figure who, operating in the present day under the new name Soundblaster, sought to pass on his incredible powers over time and space to an heir.
*'''[[Alchemist Prime]]''' - Rumored to have established [[Maccadam's Old Oil House|a bar]] on modern Cybertron, seeking to provide a respite from endless war.<ref name="askvectorprime" />

To these Vector Prime added three of the ones invented by the Covenant:

*'''[[Solus Prime]]''' - A renowned smith who wielded a powerful [[Forge of Solus Prime|Forge]].<ref name="askvectorprime" />
*'''[[Micronus Prime]]''' - The progenitor of the [[Mini-Con]]s.<ref>[[Rook - Axiom Nexus News: Investigative Journalist]]</ref>
*'''[[Onyx Prime]]''' - In-tune with nature and the organic.<ref name="askvectorprime" />

And three other powerful figures from "Transformers" lore:

*'''[[Last Autobot|Autonomous Maximus]]''' - A lonely sentinel who renounced his name, becoming simply known as the Last Autobot.
*'''[[Solomus]]''' - A gentle and kind individual, who is instead in some universes a member of the [[Guiding Hand]].
*'''[[Epistemus]]''' - A Cybertronian of unconventional intellect, also sometimes of the Guiding Hand.

===Other members===
Particularly following the Shroud, certain realities include entirely different lineups of the Thirteen, which have included:
*'''[[Adaptus]]''' - Blessed with powers of change, ''also'' sometimes of the Guiding Hand; may or may not in some universes be the same individual as Amalgamous Prime.
*'''[[Mortilus]]''' - A solitary member of the Thirteen who stayed apart from the others, who was in some universes a member of the Guiding Hand.
*'''[[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]''' - A Prime known for his wisdom.<ref>''[[Transformers: Titans Return (cartoon)]]'' episode 4, "[[Overlord and Emissary]]"</ref>

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:Thefallen.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|No, seriously guys, is it just me, or is it hot in here?]]

[[The Fallen]] was thwarted in his attempt to sabotage [[Primus]]'s [[Cybertron (planet)|physical form]], and the Thirteen allegedly died after casting the Fallen and his master [[Unicron]] through a [[black hole]] into another dimension. In truth, the Fallen was imprisoned in another dimension, while [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] kept watch over the Transformers in the [[Well of All Sparks]] and Primus entered his eternal sleep to hide from Unicron. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}}

After [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Megatron]] were lost in a [[space bridge]] explosion, the Fallen was free from his prison in [[Transwarp|underspace]], and returned to Cybertron. He immediately set about trying to undo the [[Seal of Primus]] that locked the Well of All Sparks. However, upon his success, the Fallen was promptly destroyed by his reawoken creator. {{storylink|Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages}}

{{Unreleased DW G1 comic}}
In the present day, Jetfire discovered that Shockwave had broken the Seal for his cloning experiments. The Fallen's essence escaped and corrupted [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]], and following his death, passed into Jetfire. This corruption caused Jetfire to be plagued by many visions, among them The Fallen beating down his brethren in an ancient battle. {{storylink|The Enemy Within}}

'''Known members:'''
*[[Prima]]
*[[The Fallen]]
*[[Maccadam]] (rumored)

===Fun Publications===
[[Vector Prime]] aided the [[Autobot]]s in finding the [[Cyber Planet Key]]s to close the [[Unicron Singularity]]. He regularly reported their progress to [[Alpha Trion (Energon)|Alpha Trion]], but during one visit Unicron's servants [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] and [[Nemesis Prime (Universe)|Nemesis Prime]] attacked. {{storylink|Balancing Act}} [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] came to Cybertron looking for clues to his past, only to be attacked by [[Scorponok (Energon)|Dark Scorponok]], {{storylink|Balancing Act, Part 2}} but his forcefield protected him. Ramjet offered him clues to his past in exchange for his <s>soul</s> service. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Part 3}} They went to Primus's spark core to destroy him with the [[Dead Matrix]], but Vector and [[Sentinel Maximus]] fought back. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Part 4}} Ramjet said he would stop trying to kill Primus if Vector aided them in restoring the balance by resurrecting Unicron, but he refused. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Pt 5}} Skyfall tried to save Ramjet but his forcefield only ignited an explosion that killed Ramjet. {{storylink|Revelations Part 1}} Vector had drones repair Skyfall and found [[Omega Prime]]—the creation of one of Trion's [[Viron]] counterparts—had helped Sentinel defeated Nemesis. Omega's presence saddened Vector, as it confirmed the multiverse was falling apart, and he left for Earth. {{storylink|Revelations Part 2}}

Skyfall was helping Sentinel repair [[Vector Sigma]], when [[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]] informed him he had found a twenty-million-cycle-old carving of him and another bot. {{storylink|Revelations Part 4}} Immediately during a battle between [[Mini-Con]] Autobots and [[Decepticon]]s, Skyfall found [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]]. {{storylink|Revelations Part 5}} The two seemingly vanished when Unicron attacked, {{storylink|Revelations Part 6}} when they had been transported to [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]]'s universe, {{storylink|Crossing Over, Part 1}} and the trio and went through a [[space bridge]] {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 6}} to find [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]] in [[Axiom Nexus]]. [[Cheetor (TransTech)|Cheetor]] and [[Silverbolt (TransTech)|Silverbolt]] introduced the trio to [[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]]. However, [[Shockwave (TransTech)|Shockwave]] had Breakaway quietly subdued and taken to his laboratory. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 1}} Skyfall and Landquake realized Breakaway was gone, but Alpha Trion told them to come with him if they wanted to rescue their brother from the evil [[Transcendent Technomorph|TransTechs]]. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 2}} He explained he was not from this dimension and was part of a resistance movement, introducing them to Topspin, whose job was to transfer their [[lowtech]] followers' [[spark]]s into their TransTech counterparts. Realizing Topspin was one of their kin, Skyfall and Landquake agreed to help. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 3}} [[Nightscream (TransTech)|Nightscream]] found Breakaway was being held near the portal to Alpha Trion's dimension, {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 4}} and his acolytes attacked, rescuing Breakaway {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 5}} and entering the [[transwarp]] device. Alpha Trion explained to Skyfall he was the key to the reunification, and killed him as they entered [[Primax -408.24 Epsilon|his universe]]. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 6}}

[[File:Reunification5-arisenexusprime.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.95|"It's beautiful..." <br> "Holy crap!" <br> "It's perfect!" <br> "This is the best thing!"]]
Despite his claim his was a peaceful world, Alpha Trion shot [[Downshift (SG)|Downshift]], and Breakaway realized Skyfall had been killed by an energy blade rather than shot from behind as the old Autobot claimed. Alpha Trion's troops arrived, took the four components and he proclaimed he would kill them all—as reunification still worked with one of them dead—and that his reign would begin. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 1}} Landquake manipulated the raw energon and used smokebombs to escape, with Topspin and Breakaway carrying Skyfall. Weeks later, after trying unsuccessfully to revive Skyfall, {{storylink|Reunification: Part 2}} the [[Quintesson]] [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]] appeared to take them to [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 3}} Landquake explained their situation to the Decepticons, and Megatron asked [[Cyclonus (SG)|Cyclonus]] to bring [[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]], but then Cyclonus, revealing himself to be an agent of Alpha Trion, assassinated Megatron. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 4}} Breakaway suggested they use their powers to revive Megatron, and found themselves in a white space with Skyfall and Primus. They made their choice: [[Nexus Prime]] was reborn. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 5}} Nexus resurrected Megatron as Galvatron and defeated [[Omega Doom]]. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 6}} Using Galvatron's gift of the [[stellar spanner]], Nexus and Aquarius began dimension-hopping to find the shards of the [[Star Saber (Prima)|artifact]] he had been entrusted with, so he could complete his memories. While Nexus outlined the artifact's background to Aquarius, the faces of Vector Prime and [[The Fallen]] flashed through his mind. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 1}}

The TransTechs knew the [[Mini-Con]]s to be the children of [[Micronus Prime]] {{storylink|Rook - Axiom Nexus News: Investigative Journalist|Rook - Axiom Nexus News, 2015/05/09}} and early on in their history were threatened with an ultimately failed coup led by [[Jhiaxus (TransTech)|Jhiaxus]], a follower of the [[Liege Maximo]]. {{storylink|Rook - Axiom Nexus News: Investigative Journalist|Rook - Axiom Nexus News, 2015/05/06}}

When the [[Transcendent Technomorph|TransTech]]s detected significant multiversal chaos resulting from negative polarity Primax Autobots [[Invasion (issue)|crossing over into a mirror universe]], they suspected that [[Rarified Energon]] was somehow involved. [[Rhinox (TransTech)|Rhinox]] was also aware of (correct) rumors that the Thirteen were involved with Rarified Energon. {{storylink|Invasion Prologue}} As part of their response to the multiversal chaos, the TransTechs deployed [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]] to prehistoric Shatteredverse Earth in order to keep the [[Origin Matrix]] out of evil hands. {{storylink|Invasion: Epilogue}}

After several unspecified adventures, Aquarius ended up in Axiom Nexus and took charge of a shard of the Star Saber from [[Chifumi Takahashi|a courier]]. In exchange, he promised to help her get home. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 48|Transformers I.Q. last issue review}} To their surprise, however, they ended up on Shatteredverse Cybertron. It soon became obvious that Nexus had transported them there in order to receive the [[Origin Matrix]], the fifth and final piece, from [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], recently retrieved from prehistoric Shatteredverse Earth. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 54|Transformers I.Q. trivia bonus #12}} {{storylink|Falling into Place}}

When he reunited the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]] and the [[Terminus Blade]], Nexus Prime decided that he was going to return things to "how they used to be", {{storylink|Restoration}} and strengthened the walls between the various realities of the multiverse, which had the consequence of ending the existence of he and siblings as multiversal singularities. {{storylink|Out of the One, Many}}

'''Known members:'''
:''See "[[#Multiversal Thirteen|Multiversal Thirteen]]" above''

===''Beast Wars Reborn''===
[[File:Bwreborn text.jpg|thumb]]
The '''Ancients''' (エンシェント ''Enshento'') were the original clan of Transformers created by Primus before he became [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], and possessed extraordinary powers over space and time. One of them, [[Logos Prime]], lost sight of his objective and memory of him faded away. {{Storylink|Planetfall (BWR)|Planetfall}} He would return under the name of Soundblaster, abducting [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] and [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] so he could apparently appoint Megatron as his successor. [[Vector Prime]] was sent by Primus to stop the plot and was taken aback when confronted with his fellow Ancient who he thought lost. {{Storylink|Master of the Game}} While Vector Prime and what remained of Logos Prime fought on the astral plane, Soundblaster revealed the [[Zeonomicon]], the key to his power, and had Optimus and Megatron hunt it down on [[Animatron]] to decide who would inherit his power. {{storylink|Planetfall (BWR)|Planetfall}}

'''Known members:'''
*[[Vector Prime]]
*[[Logos Prime]]

===Live-action film series===
{{main|Dynasty of Primes}}

[[File:ROTF-sixprimes.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|The Primes in the Matrix/Allspark/surreal part of Primus's imagination.]]
The Primes were the guardians of the [[AllSpark]], charged with replenishing it. They commanded [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seekers]] and [[Constructicon (ROTF)|workers]] to find stars and replenish the AllSpark with their energy. The Fallen began seeing himself as the AllSpark's chosen one and began destroying solar systems with sentient life to replenish the Cube. His brothers warned him not to do it again, so The Fallen tried it again on [[Earth]] to lure them. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 3|Tales of the Fallen #3}} The Fallen slaughtered all his brothers bar Prima himself, who gathered his brothers' lifeforce to trap The Fallen in his [[sarcophagus]]. Prima sacrificed himself to form a [[Tomb of the Primes|tomb]] with his brothers' bodies to hide the Matrix. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 4|Tales of the Fallen #4}}

A long time passed, and The Fallen was eventually dug up. From his prison, he pushed [[Megatron (Movie)|High Protector Megatron]] into forming the Decepticons. {{storylink|Defiance issue 2|Defiance #2}} Thousands of years later, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], the sole surviving descendant of the Primes to survive The Fallen's rampage, {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen issue 3|Revenge of the Fallen #3}} had been killed. The Primes appeared to [[Sam Witwicky]], giving him the Matrix to revive Optimus, and Optimus avenged The Fallen's brothers by killing him. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

'''Known members:'''
*[[Prima]]
*[[The Fallen]]

{{note|The ''Revenge of the Fallen'' adaptations have thirteen Primes. While designs were made for twelve non-Fallen Prime heads, the finished film shows only seven Primes, and this change was followed in ''[[Transformers: Tales of the Fallen|Tales of the Fallen]]'' and [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|the Titan magazine]].}}

===Aligned continuity family===
[[File:OneShallRise1-TheThirteen.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|They're not a fan of direct lighting.]]

Seeing the endless stalemate between he and [[Unicron/Aligned|Unicron]], [[Primus]] created the Thirteen, warriors in the mould of himself and Unicron, to fight in his stead and introduce random variables. The Thirteen did indeed succeed in defeating Unicron but were infected with a touch of the Chaos-Bringer's darkness as a result of direct proximity to the Dark God.

Following Unicron's exile, the Primes began reshaping their world before the manipulations of [[Liege Maximo]] caused the group to descend into civil war. The skirmish claimed both Maximo and [[Solus Prime]]. [[Onyx Prime|Onyx]], [[Micronus Prime|Micronus]] and [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] chose to descend into the [[Core]] and join Primus so they could aid in the creation of the Cybertronian race with [[Prima]], [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] and [[Alchemist Prime]] remaining on Cybertron to act as stewards for the newborn species while [[Nexus Prime]] separated himself into separate individuals to live among the ordinary Cybertronians. [[Quintus Prime|Quintus]], [[Amalgamous Prime|Amalgamous]], [[Vector Prime]] and [[The Fallen]] left Cybertron outright.

Following the [[Great Cataclysm]], Prima and Alchemist Prime disappeared with Alpha Trion choosing to fall into obscurity. As a result, the Thirteen became little more than a myth in the new era. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|Covenant of Primus}}

What lore regarding the Primes survived into the pre-War era is that their war made "enemies of brothers, murderers of lovers, heroes of the insignificant, and cowards of the mighty". Allegiances formed and broke apart: Megatronus refused to bow before his brothers, and he believed he would be vindicated someday despite his destructive methods. The murder of one sent them across the stars, to battle among themselves for billions of cycles. Finally, there came a time when Prima had to relinquish the Matrix. Afterwards, the [[Covenant of Primus]] decreed Cybertron could only have one Prime at a time. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus|Exodus}} The chamber of the [[Autobot High Council|High Council of Cybertron]] had statues depicting the Primes. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 3}}

[[File:OneShallRise1-Thirteenattack.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|Three seconds of one episode made up for a lifetime of lack of Thirteen images.]]
[[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] remained on Cybertron, recording these events into the Covenant, and the Primes became myths doubted by [[Jazz (WFC)|some]]. Alpha Trion retreated into becoming the Archivist of the [[Hall of Records]] when [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Sentinel Prime]], the [[Autobot High Council|High Council]], and the [[Guilds of Cybertron]] ignored his protests about the [[caste system]]. The [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] did not bestow itself onto another until the unworthy Sentinel died, and [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] was imbued with it, while his nemesis had become known as [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]], who like his namesake had come to destroy that he believed in. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus|Exodus}}

During his travels across the galaxy, Optimus Prime encountered both [[Vector Prime|Vector]] and [[Nexus Prime]] both of whom expressed surprise that Alpha Trion still lived and wondered if any of their other brothers might still be alive. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

When Unicron stirred, Optimus Prime explained the history of the Thirteen to his human allies. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}

Before Optimus Prime was to die, {{storylink|Predacons Rising (Prime)|Predacons Rising}} the Primes intercepted his [[spark]] and brought him to their [[Realm of the Primes|realm]]. {{storylink|Decepticon Island (Part 1)}}

After his death, Optimus was able to appear to Bumblebee when the Primes deemed the young bot's need was most dire. {{storylink|W.W.O.D.?}} As part of Optimus's training, Micronus challenged him to a test which resulted in him unlocking the capabilities of the [[Prime Decepticon Hunter]]. {{storylink|Out of Focus}} Though Optimus did not fully complete his training, he had six of the Primes in the [[Realm of the Primes]] send him to Earth to deal with the return of Megatronus, {{storylink|Battlegrounds, Part 1}} which he successfully accomplished with the aid of the [[Bee Team (RID)|Bee Team]]. {{storylink|Battlegrounds, Part 2}}

'''Known members:'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Prima]]
*[[Vector Prime]]
*[[Alpha Trion]]
*[[Solus Prime]]
*[[Micronus Prime]]
*[[Alchemist Prime]]
*[[Nexus Prime]]
*[[Onyx Prime]]
*[[Amalgamous Prime]]
*[[Quintus Prime]]
*[[Liege Maximo]]
*[[The Fallen|Megatronus]]
*[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]]
}}
:''See "[[#Covenant Thirteen|Covenant Thirteen]]" above''
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===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
[[File:Heavy-TheThirteen.jpg|thumb|375px|"I think the Thirteen were blurry, that's the problem. It's not the artist's fault. The Primes were blurry, and that's extra scary to me. There were thirteen large, out-of-focus Transformers roaming Cybertron."]]
After the departure of the mythical [[Knights of Cybertron]], Cybertronian civilization, deprived of their benevolent guidance, descended once more into a primitive state of barbarism, with lesser tribal leaders carving out kingdoms and territories of their own. It was to this landscape that the [[Decepticon]] [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] was cast back in time by the destruction of his [[chronal drive]], and — after an encounter with a kindly shepherd named [[Onyx Prime|Onyx]] — realised from his extensive historical foreknowledge that he could study why Cybertronians inevitably fell to war by ensuring that history followed the path he knew that it must. As such, Shockwave murdered Onyx and took his identity as "Onyx Prime" in order to engineer the rise of the Thirteen Primes; his first act was to christen the most fearless member of Onyx's flock as "[[The Fallen|Megatronus]]", taking him on as a student.

Knowing that Megatronus's conquests would be the impetus for the founding of Cybertronian civilization, Shockwave allowed his pupil to run amok; {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named}} Megatronus thus began a new war of conquest to expand the [[Darklands]], annexing nearby regions such as the city of [[Protihex|Protohex]] and the [[Forgotten Plains]], murdering neighbouring ruler [[Septimus Prime]] and recruiting the fearsome twin [[gladiatorial combat|gladiators]] [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] and [[Arcee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Arcee]] to become his vanguards. Other tribal leaders who had arisen, including [[Alchemist Prime]], [[Vector Prime]], [[Solus Prime]], [[Nexus Prime]] and [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], agreed in the face of Megatronus's conquests to work together, uniting their followers and founding a small village that they named "[[Crystal City]]." {{storylink|Origin Myths}}

While Megatronus's legions marched on Crystal City, the united Primes were bolstered by Onyx Prime and his ''other'' student, [[Liege Maximo]], {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named}} whose kingdom had been claimed by the Darklander advance. The two armies met in a battle that had the unexpected side effect of awakening three slumbering [[Titan (IDW)|Titan]]s — [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]], and [[Chela]] — from beneath Cybertron's surface, but while the armies were distracted by the arrival of the colossal beings, Onyx "realized" that their enemy was his "old friend" Megatronus. The two armies agreed to a truce, and all eight primes vowed to work together to rebuild and unify their planet. Having been enlightened on the value of myths and stories by Alpha Trion, Onyx Prime began telling tales of his own, inspiring Alchemist with legends of a "Chosen One" and dreaming up a new [[Autobot|insignia]] to commemorate their alliance — {{storylink|Origin Myths}} all, of course, based on his own knowledge of what the future held. The [[Dark Cybertron (prophecy)|"Dark Cybertron" prophecy]] and idea of the Chosen One were specifically concocted to ensure [[Starscream (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Starscream]]'s future rise to power, as a "fool" like Starscream would not be able to see through Shockwave's machinations. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named}}

The eight original Primes were soon joined by five more, and over time Cybertron's inhabitants united under the banner of the [[Thirteen Tribes]], each Prime building a distinct civilization. {{storylink|The Crucible}} In this era of peace, the Liege Maximo was responsible for building and maintaining the alliance between the Thirteen; in honor of his feats, Liege Maximo's followers became known as skilled diplomats and negotiators. {{storylink|Heavy}} Each Prime commanded the loyalty of at least one [[Titan (IDW)|Titan]], {{storylink|The Sum and Its Parts}} {{storylink|First Contact (IDW)|First Contact}} while the diminutive [[Titan Master]]s served as their heralds. {{storylink|White Heat}} Over the years, however, the decidedly mortal Primes had come to believe that they were inherently superior to other Cybertronians due to their powerful artifacts and historic feats; indeed, it was commonly held only another Prime could kill a Prime, though this was decidedly untrue. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} {{storylink|The Crucible}}

[[File:TheFirstWhoWasNamed-MegatronusKillsSolus.jpg|thumb|left|310px|Sephiroth, you jerk!]]
With Cybertron now in a "golden age", Onyx advised the Thirteen's leader [[Prima]] to spread Cybertron's "enlightenment" to other worlds, with their expedition — led by Onyx and Megatronus, with Alpha Trion accompanying them as recordskeeper — being the first to leave the planet since the Knights of Cybertron. However, their first planetary landing ended in brutal conflict, and Prima blamed Megatronus for the expedition's failure. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named}} Liege Maximo, who (seeing helpful lies as more beneficient than harmful truths) had become increasingly manipulative and self-serving, {{storylink|Heavy}} acted on Onyx's orders to stoke Megatronus's resentment over this incident, leading him to attack Prima. Solus Prime intervened to save Prima's life, but Megatronus killed her with the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]] that she had created.

Megatronus fled the planet, while Liege Maximo was captured by the Primes and imprisoned within his titan, [[Vigilem]], whom the other Titans deemed unworthy of remembrance and exiled into space. A repentant splinter of Liege Maximo's old tribe agreed to keep their former leader and his Titan permanently interred, renaming their dormant Titan "[[Vigilem|Carcer]]". {{storylink|Rubicon}} {{storylink|Heavy}} {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

The fallout from Maximo's betrayal sparked the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]], turning the tribes against one another in a planet-wide conflict. {{storylink|The Crucible}} Battle lines were drawn, but allegiances shifted throughout the war, necessitating betrayals and new alliances; Onyx initially allied with Micronus, {{storylink|White Heat}} but by ten million years ago, with the war drawing to a close, his tribe of [[beast mode]] Transformers had joined forces with Nexus Prime and his [[combiner]]s. Together, they raised a new army of [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] using the [[Enigma of Combination]]. Disgusted by this fusion, [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] abandoned his post in Megatronus' army to slaughter the Headmasters to the last 'bot. {{storylink|Earthfall Chapter 3: The Mind Bomb|The Mind Bomb}}

Together, Onyx Prime and Prima hunted down Megatronus aboard Prima's Titan [[Emissary (IDW)|Emissary]], finding him on the planet [[Tsiehshi]]. Megatronus killed Prima before being slain by Onyx, his usefulness to Shockwave's machinations at an end; Emissary carried Prima's body to the stars, but Onyx ensured that he would crash on [[Elonia|a faraway planet]]. On returning, Onyx told Alpha Trion that Megatronus and Prima slew each other in final battle — the account of their deaths that he had learned from Trion in his youth. Megatronus's name was soon forgotten by history, and he became known only as "the Fallen". {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

Eventually, Galvatron tracked down and confronted Nexus Prime, obliterating the Prime with a single blast. Realizing that they were as mortal as any other Transformer, the remaining few Primes fled the planet for other worlds, with the exception of Alpha Trion. The war finally ended when Galvatron and [[Nova Prime|Nova Major]] famously routed the bestial hordes of [[Onyx Prime]] and, with Trion's aid and blessing, united the tribes as one planet under Nova '''Prime'''. Only Galvatron and Trion were left aware of what had happened to the Thirteen Primes; Alpha Trion simply let himself fade into the background of Cybertronian society, his true background as a Prime forgotten by the general populace. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

One way or another, the Thirteen departed Cybertron and vanished from history at around the same time that the thirteen [[Titan (IDW)|Titan]]s departed Cybertron, with the intent of founding new colonies elsewhere in the galaxy. {{storylink|First Contact (IDW)|First Contact}} Exact details are unclear, but the mythologies of several of these colony planets claim that the Primes, including [[Solus Prime]] and [[Onyx Prime]], had spearheaded the colonization missions themselves and subsequently left these newly settled worlds to their own devices. {{storylink|The Sum and Its Parts}} {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 6}} Either way, the developing civilizations on the colony worlds – cut off from Cybertron and the brutal injustices committed by Nova Prime and [[Nominus Prime|his]] [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|dubious]] [[Zeta Prime|successors]] – began deifying the Thirteen Primes, with some going so far as to worship any leader who wielded the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. The [[Way of Flame|dominant religion]] on [[Caminus]] exalted Solus Prime as the greatest of the Thirteen, {{storylink|The Sum and Its Parts}} while the four tribes of [[Eukaris]] and their prophet [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] viewed Onyx Prime as a benevolent protector. {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 6}}

The role that the original Primes had played in the establishment of Cybertronian society would eventually be immortalized on the silver screen in the "hella-racist" film, ''[[The Birth of Cybertron]]''. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 4: Dance Among the Shadows|Dance Among the Shadows}} {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}}

[[Micronus Prime]], master of [[Prion]], {{storylink|White Heat}} was known to have abandoned his native universe entirely after founding a colony of [[Mini-Con]]s. By the present day, his body lay dormant in the center of an alternate universe: the subatomic realm of [[Microspace]]. {{storylink|O Ship of State}} The ruler of Microspace, [[Baron Karza]] eventually {{i|enerchange}}d with Micronus and used the Prime's power to try and conquer the Earth, {{storylink|Wrath of Karza issue 1|Wrath of Karza #1}} only for [[Shazraella]] to use {{i|Time Traveler}} energy to separate the Prime from her husband and banish the Mini-Con through time. {{storylink|Wrath of Karza issue 5|Wrath of Karza #5}}

[[File:GhostStories-onyxprime.jpg|thumb|right|210px|"Stand and address your Almighty Tallest, Camien child."]]

The colony of [[Caminus]] detected a Cybertronian beacon emanating from the planet [[Antilla]] and sent three representatives to make contact with their ancestors. When they arrived, they found the planet to be a rusted wasteland ruled by Onyx Prime, who murdered [[Magrada]]. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}} Following the expedition's return to Caminus, the [[Torchbearer]] [[Pyra Magna]] encountered Onyx Prime when an army of robotic beasts terrorized the inhabitants of [[Parvus Oppidum]]. The experience left her traumatized, but with time she realized that the Primes were not the divine entities that she had believed them to be and began preparing to take up arms against Primes should the need arise. {{storylink|Ghost Stories}}

In the modern day, [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] unknowingly sent the [[Regenesis]] ores off to what he believed were random suitable worlds, but were, thanks to his future self's time-travelling manipulations, worlds touched by the Thirteen. {{storylink|The Crucible}} {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

When Cybertron re-opened a [[space bridge|spacebridge]] link with Caminus after years of isolation, the [[Mistress of Flame]] believed that Optimus, wielding the Matrix of Leadership, was the legendary reincarnation of the Thirteenth Prime: a mysterious figure from Cybertron's past known as "[[the Arisen]]". {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 3: The Medium and the Message|The Medium and the Message}} Optimus's supposed divinity proved a double-edged sword as he grew increasingly bold and unilateral in his decision making; leaning on the faith of others to unconditionally support his choices, he wound up annexing Earth into the [[Council of Worlds]] and sparking an interplanetary diplomatic crisis. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 1: Once Upon a Time on Earth|Once Upon a Time on Earth}} [[Colonist Soldiers|New recruits]] from Caminus, Eukaris, [[Velocitron]], and [[Devisiun]] believed wholeheartedly in Optimus's status as one of the Thirteen and began wearing [[mouthplate]]s to better emulate their leader. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 1: To Walk Among the Chosen|To Walk Among the Chosen}}

Liege Maximo escaped from his imprisonment in Carcer in 2017, following a [[zombie]] Titan invasion on Cybertron. {{storylink|Rubicon}} The Camien [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] was released from prison by Cybertron's leader Starscream to hunt Maximo down, {{storylink|Heavy}} {{storylink|The Chosen One}} but Liege — who, by this point, had come to understand his master's decision to exile him aboard his loyal Titan — was found by Onyx, and brought with him in chains on his return to Cybertron. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}} Liege was taken into custody while Optimus and the [[Council of Worlds]] entered negotiations with Onyx, but the Prime's manipulations caused infighting and chaos, as well as an explosion that killed Alpha Trion. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}} With all of his plans falling into place, Shockwave discarded his "Onyx" identity, having no further use for it after he cast Optimus into the Crystal City singularity. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}}

'''Known members:'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Prima]]
*[[Vector Prime]]
*[[Alpha Trion]]
*[[Solus Prime]]
*[[Micronus Prime]]
*[[Alchemist Prime]]
*[[Nexus Prime]]
*"[[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Onyx Prime]]"
*[[Amalgamous Prime]]
*[[Quintus Prime]]
*[[Liege Maximo]]
*[[The Fallen]]
*[[The Arisen]]
}}
:''See "[[#Covenant Thirteen|Covenant Thirteen]]" above''
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===Olympian universe===
In certain universes, the Thirteen visited [[Greece]] in a time before human technology was advanced enough for them to assume vehicular disguises. Instead, twelve of their number dwelled on [[Mount Olympus]] and used [[holomatter]] avatars to interact with the natives, {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/20}} while [[Mortilus]] remained beneath the Earth with their ship, alongside his vassal [[Bruticus (RID)|Bruticus]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/08}}

As "quasi-humans", the Thirteen would become known to the local humans as the {{w|Twelve Olympians|gods of Olympus}}. [[Vector Prime]] was {{w|Hermes}}; the rage-filled [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] was {{w|Ares}}; the hard-working [[Solus Prime]] was {{w|Hephaestus}}; the wise [[Alpha Trion]] was {{w|Athena}}; the eldest of their number [[Prima]] was {{w|Zeus}}; his close ally [[Nexus Prime|Nexus Maximus]] was {{w|Hera}}; the nature-loving hunter [[Onyx Prime]] was {{w|Artemis}}; the hard-drinking [[Alchemist Prime]] was {{w|Dionysus}}; the vain and manipulative [[Liege Maximo]] was {{w|Aphrodite}}; the healer [[Last Autobot|Autonomous Prime]] was {{w|Apollo}}; the chaotic [[Adaptus]] was {{w|Poseidon}}; the solitary Mortilus was {{w|Hades}}; and the knowledge-sharing [[Epistemus]] was {{w|Demeter}}. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/20}} {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/08}}

As the Olympians, several of the Thirteen deviated from both their more common gender identities and their status as siblings; Vector considered Hades and Poseidon to be his uncles, {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/20}} and because of the animosity between Hephaestus and Aphrodite, Zeus decreed that they should be [[Transformer romance|bonded together]] to avoid further conflict (which only made things worse). Amongst the Thirteen's many experiences, Hades and Demeter quarrelled over a woman named [[Persephone]]; Vector would later note that as "quasi-humans" their conflicts were far more petty and frequent. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/08}}

'''Known members:'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Vector Prime|Hermes]]
*[[The Fallen|Ares]]
*[[Solus Prime|Hephaestus]]
*[[Alpha Trion|Athena]]
*[[Prima|Zeus]]
*[[Nexus Prime|Hera]]
*[[Onyx Prime|Artemis]]
*[[Alchemist Prime|Dionysus]]
*[[Liege Maximo|Aphrodite]]
*[[Last Autobot|Apollo]]
*[[Adaptus|Poseidon]]
*[[Mortilus|Hades]]
*[[Epistemus|Demeter]]
}}

===''Power of the Primes'' marketing material===
The [[spark]]s of the original Primes were carried by the [[Prime Master]]s, diminutive Transformers who, when in spark mode, could unite with larger Transformers to grant them [[Prime Master/Combinations|the powers of the Primes]] to wield as they choose. To minimise unwanted attention from those who sought the power they held, the Prime Masters hid themselves inside special decoy armor, which cloaked their vast power from the outside world.

Rather than a Prime Master, the role of the Thirteenth Prime was held by whoever bore the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. <ref name="POTPMatrix"/>

'''Known members:'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Prima]]
*[[Vector Prime]]
*[[Alpha Trion]]
*[[Solus Prime]]
*[[Micronus Prime]]
*[[Alchemist Prime]]
*[[Nexus Prime]]
*[[Onyx Prime]]
*[[Amalgamous Prime]]
*[[Quintus Prime]]
*[[Liege Maximo]]
*[[The Fallen]]
}}
:''See "[[#Covenant Thirteen|Covenant Thirteen]]" above''
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===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoon===
The combined knowledge of the Thirteen was hidden away in the [[Athenaeum Sanctorum]]. In the wake of [[Solus Prime]]'s death at [[The Fallen|Megatronus]]'s hands, the remaining members chose to seal away the [[Requiem Blaster (Megatronus)|Requiem Blaster]] in [[Primal Swamp]], tasking a series of guardians with protecting it that culminated in [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]. {{storylink|Athenaeum Sanctorum (episode)|Athenaeum Sanctorum}}

During a crisis, the [[Mistress of Flame]] prayed to Primus and the Thirteen for spiritual guidance and aid. {{storylink|Overlord and Emissary}}

'''Known members:'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]
*[[Alchemist Prime]]
*[[Quintus Prime]]
*[[Alpha Trion]]
*[[Amalgamous Prime]]
*[[Solus Prime]]
*[[Prima]]
*[[The Fallen|Megatronus]]
}}
{{note|The intro sequence to ''Power of the Primes'' shows the wheel of symbols representing the twelve Primes of the ''POTP'' marketing material; however, considering the anomalous presence of Sentinel, it's hard to take this as confirmation that those twelve are members of the Thirteen in-universe.}}
{{--}}

==Notes==
*''Transformers: The Ultimate Guide'' asserts that all of the Thirteen were destroyed in the early battle between Primus and Unicron, but the statement was disproven by the book itself, since it recounted how The Fallen was not destroyed but exiled to a transdimensional prison from which he later escaped. Fun Publications comics would later depict Vector Prime as the sole surviving member of the Thirteen, and then go on to introduce Nexus Prime as a co-survivor alongside him.
*In Hasbro Q&A on October, 2009 from [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=63609 ''The Allspark Forum''], The Thirteen are referred to as "the Original Epic Warriors of Cybertron" by Hasbro.
*The notion of the Primes being originally huge is similar to early ''Revenge of the Fallen'' concepts where the Fallen dwarfed Optimus and was almost the size of a pyramid, as evident from [[Defiance issue 4|''Defiance'' #4]] and the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novelization]].

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Saisho no Jūsannin no Prime''' (最初の13人のプライム, "Original 13 Primes")

==References==
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Breastforce

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:''The Breastforce are a [[Decepticon]] [[subgroup]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Breastforce cartoon.jpg|right|300px|thumb|A team of boobs.]]
The '''Breastforce''' (ブレストフォース ''Buresutofōsu'') <small>(tee hee!)</small>, aka the '''Destrons''', are [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]]'s elite troopers, comprising some of the most vile Decepticons imaginable, from murderous back-stabbers to incarcerated convicts, all hailing from the [[Death Zone]]. Deathsaurus himself is also a member of the subgroup, but the name is most often used to refer to the elite six-robot team that serves under him. The group derives their... ''unusual'' name from the [[Breast Animal]]s they are partnered with, which transform from their titular <small>(snicker)</small> breastplate armor into an autonomous robotic animal or hand-held blaster. Don't let the name fool you, the Breastforce are nothing to laugh at.

<small>(giggle)</small>

The core six members of the Breastforce are:

*[[Leozack]], Deathsaurus's second-in-command and Grumman F-14D Tomcat fighter jet, partnered with [[Lionbreast]].
*[[Drillhorn (Victory)|Drillhorn]], the tunnelling machine, partnered with [[Hornbreast]].
*[[Guyhawk]], the MAPO MiG-29 "Fulcrum" fighter jet, partnered with [[Hawkbreast]].
*[[Hellbat (Victory)|Hellbat]], the Dassault Rafale fighter jet, partnered with [[Kōmoribreast]].
*[[Jallguar]], the Baja buggy, partnered with [[Jaguarbreast]].
*[[Killbison]], the Gepard anti-aircraft tank, partnered with [[Bisonbreast]].

Others members include:

*[[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]], Decepticon [[Emperor of Destruction]] and dragon/bird-monster, partnered with [[Tigerbreast]] and [[Eaglebreast]]
*[[Deathcobra (Victory)|Deathcobra]], the Mi-24 "Hind" assault helicopter, partnered with [[Cobrabreast]].

Leozack, Drillhorn, Guyhawk, Hellbat, Jallguar, and Killbison can combine to form the super-warrior [[Liokaiser]]. Deathcobra was also capable of combining with the team, but died before he got the chance. Sometimes, Deathsaurus takes the place of both Leozack and Jallguar as the combiner's torso.

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====''Victory'' cartoon====
[[Image:Breastforce combo stockfootage.jpg|left|265px|thumb|Invading a ''Tron'' machine near you!]]
Leozack was the first of the Breastforce to join Deathsaurus for his campaign against [[Earth]], {{storylink|Sneak Attack! Dinoking}} but he quickly developed designs on Decepticon leadership himself. {{storylink|Move Out! Rescue Team}} He was soon joined by his teammates Drillhorn, Jallguar and Killbison, {{storylink|Unite!! Multiforce}} and the team performed such missions as the raiding of the Neo Uranium Mines {{storylink|Infiltration... The Uranium Mine}} and the theft of energy from an American subway system. During the latter mission, the team's Breast Animals came to the fore, as they were unleashed upon the [[Autobot]]s in the cramped quarters of the underground tunnels. {{storylink|Big City - Underground Terror}}

Leozack later summoned the fifth Breastforcer, Hellbat, to Earth, but upon witnessing his leader getting dressed down by Deathsaurus, Hellbat decided he himself would make a better leader for the Breastforce. {{storylink|The New Warrior - Hellbat}} Ever the schemer, Hellbat's honeyed words roped the rest of the Breastforce into several plots, like the theft of energy from a shuttle port {{storylink|Attack the Shuttle Base!!}} or the ransom of [[Marine City]]. {{storylink|Tanker Hijack Operation}} Since the silver-tongued sneak was usually able to pass the blame for any failures on to Leozack, none of the other Breastforce members really trusted Hellbat, and Leozack began making plans to get rid of him. After rescuing their sixth teammate, Guyhawk, from the [[Planet Micro Satellite Penitentiary]], {{storylink|Rescue! Guyhawk}} Leozack summoned his old friend Deathcobra so that he could boot Hellbat out and the remaining six could combine into the giant robot, Liokaiser. Attempting to secure his position on the team, Hellbat petitioned Deathcobra to leave, but when a fight broke out between the two, Hellbat accidentally killed Deathcobra and blamed the murder on the Autobot [[Micromaster]] [[Holi]]. Seeking revenge, the Breastforce merged into Liokaiser and defeated [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]] in their first battle. {{storylink|Unite! Liokaiser}}

[[Image:Liokaiser death.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Oh, not ''another'' black recolor...]]
Back on Earth, the Breastforce battled Star Saber and [[Road Caesar]] at the [[Schaeffer Energy]] plant, {{storylink|Battle Up of Wrath!!}} and then went up against [[Landcross (Victory)|Landcross]] in the South Pole. {{storylink|Fight to the Death!! Antarctic Battle}} They later lured the [[Brainmaster]]s into an ambush in the desert {{storylink|Crisis! Ambush in the Desert}} and helped Deathsaurus battle Star Saber, {{storylink|A Deadly Battle}} then proceeded to perform numerous energy raids across the world, {{storylink|Ginrai Dies!!}} only to be repeatedly stymied by new Autobot [[Victory Leo]] {{storylink|Fight!! Victory Leo}} {{storylink|Awaken! Victory Leo}} and his ability to combine with Star Saber. {{storylink|The Tide Is Turned! The Ultimate Weapon, the Victory Unification}}

After plots that involved Leozack disguising himself as Star Saber {{storylink|A Mystery?! The Deception of the Base Bombs}} and unleashing metal-eating insects on the Autobots, {{storylink|The Death-Bringing Space Insects!!}} the Breastforce accompanied Deathsaurus into space once he had obtained enough energy to reactivate his [[Planet-Destroying Fortress]]. {{storylink|The Wrath of the Resurrected Giant Fortress!}} The Autobots arrived to stop the villains while the fortress's main cannon was charging, and the Breastforce, combined as Liokaiser, engaged Victory Leo in battle. The feral Autobot was able to blast the combiner into the barrel of the cannon, which drained his energy dry. As his body blackened, Liokaiser could feel his consciousness begin to fade, and he could only manage a faint cry for help as his deactivated body drifted off into the depths of space. {{storylink|Showdown! The Fortress vs the Victory Unification}}

====''Zone'' catalog====
Revived from death by some means and lead by the reborn [[Emperor of Destruction|Dark Emperor]] [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]], The Breastforce in the combined form of Liokaiser joined several other powerful Decepticons in an assault on planet [[Micro|Zone]]. Attempting to steal their [[Energon Z]], the Decepticons proved no match for the [[Micromaster]]s and were driven away. What became of Liokaiser after this is unknown. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)#Catalogue story page 1|Zone Project Story}}

===''Victory'' manga===
[[Image:Breastforce manga.jpg|left|250px|thumb]]
When the Breastforce arrived to join Deathsaurus in stealing energy from Earth, Leozack made his first strike alone, but botched it by forgetting to take his Breast Animal with him. {{storylink|Leozack Rumbles Violently!}} The rest of the team later battled Star Saber in their individual forms {{storylink|Warrior of Love, Star Saber!}} and still later combined with Leozack into Liokaiser to engage the Autobot leader on [[Energy Planet X]]. Liokaiser had the upper hand in this battle, but the tide turned when his individual components began arguing amongst themselves over who would get to deliver the killing blow, and Star Saber used the opening to defeat them. {{storylink|The Star of Friendship, Jan and Star Saber!}}

Subsequent fights did not go well for Liokaiser; first, he was thrashed by Star Saber when the Autobot leader combined with Victory Leo to become Victory Saber, {{storylink|The Strongest Partners, the Combination of Victory!}} and was then flattened by the united Autobots' "Five Stars of Victory" attack. {{storylink|Shine! The Five Stars of Victory}} Following this defeat, the Decepticons retreated into space and began attacking Earth using Deathsaurus's "Space Stronghold". Naturally, the Autobots pursued, and when Deathsaurus engaged Star Saber in a space battle, Leozack saw an opportunity to remove all his enemies at once. Even as his shocked teammates looked on, Leozack turned the fortress's main cannon on Deathsaurus! Deathsaurus survived the blast and fired upon the fortress with his own weapons, after which Star Saber came smashing through the fortress's control room window and slashed Leozack with his sword. Even as he collapsed in front of the Autobots, Leozack begged them not to destroy the fortress, and the true nature of the massive craft was revealed to the Autobots: It contained the Decepticons' [[relatives|families]], whom they had been fighting to protect all along. {{storylink|Heroic! The Victory War}}

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===''Combiner Wars'' toy bio===
The Destrons were an elite strike team comprising criminals and convicts. {{storylink|#Generations|''Combiner Wars'' Liokaiser toy bio}}

==Toys==
===Victory===
[[Image:Victory-toy Leozack.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Leozack]]
[[Image:Killbison-toy.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Killbison]]

;Breastforce

*[[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deszaras]] (1989)

*[[Liokaiser|Liocaesar]]{{sic}} (1989)
**[[Leozack]]
**[[Drillhorn (Victory)|Drillhorn]]
**[[Guyhawk]]
**[[Hellbat (Victory)|Hellbat]]
**[[Jallguar]]
**[[Killbison]]

:The Breastforce were sold boxed with their Breast Animal partners, and consisted of seven all-new molds. The six smaller members could combine into Liokaiser (notable for his atypical almost-total lack of [[Kibble|combiner kibble]]), and were also sold together in a [[giftset]].

:Leozack, Killbison, Jallguar, and Drillhorn were later remolded to create the [[Rescue Force]] members [[Rescue Force (individual)|Rescue Force]], [[Rescue Force 1]], [[Rescue Force 2]], and [[Rescue Force 3]], respectively.
{{-}}

===Generations===
[[File:TF-Platinum-Edition-Combiner-Wars-Liokaiser.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Liokaiser]]
*'''Liokaiser''' (Platinum Edition giftset, 2016)

:Released only as a ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' / ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' gift set of 5 <s>Breastforce</s> Destrons: Deszarus, Drillhorn, Ironbison, Guyhawk, and Fellbat. The combiner also comes with [[Ion Scythe]], redecoed from ''Arms Micron'' [[Gul]].

:Deszarus's, Ironbison's, and Fellbat's original names were changed for ''obvious reasons''.

:This set was an [[exclusive]] to [[Entertainment Earth]].
{{--}}
{{-}}

==Notes==
*The term "Breastforce" is consistently romanized as "Brestforce" in every English instance of the name on the toy's packaging and tech spec materials. It may be a misspelling, or a usage of the obsolete alternate spelling "[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/brest brest]"; belief that it was the latter led to the "Brestforce" spelling being used in the subtitles produced for [[Metrodome]] and [[Madman Entertainment]]'s releases of ''Victory''. Although the "Brestforce" rendering avoids immature jokes, it does imply that they're [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest%2C_Belarus from Belarus].
* Following the trend in later Japanese Generation 1 series, the six combining members of Breastforce have fairly uniform tech spec numbers. Like their opposites in ''Victory'', the Brainmasters, four of them essentially have straight 8s, with a couple numbers slightly higher or lower to indicate their specialties, and all have totals in the neighborhood of 64.

===Foreign names===
*''English:'' '''Chestforce''' ([[Shout! Factory]] sub)
*''Mandarin:'' '''Hsiōng-Chǐa Bù-tuèi''' (Taiwan, 胸甲部隊, "Breastplate Force"), '''Xiōngjiǎ Zhànshì''' (China, 胸甲战士, "Breastplate Warrior")

==External links==
*[http://www.soundwavesoblivion.com/techspecs/techs1989.html Transformers Victory Translated Tech Specs at Soundwave's Oblivion]

[[Category:Breastforce| ]]
[[Category:Combiner teams]]
[[Category:Decepticon subgroups]]
[[Category:Victory subgroups]]

Breastforce

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NovaSaber:

{{factions|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Destron}}
:''The Breastforce are a [[Decepticon]] [[subgroup]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Breastforce cartoon.jpg|right|300px|thumb|A team of boobs.]]
The '''Breastforce''' (ブレストフォース ''Buresutofōsu''), aka the '''Destrons''' <small>(tee hee!)</small> are [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]]'s elite troopers, comprising some of the most vile Decepticons imaginable, from murderous back-stabbers to incarcerated convicts, all hailing from the [[Death Zone]]. Deathsaurus himself is also a member of the subgroup, but the name is most often used to refer to the elite six-robot team that serves under him. The group derives their... ''unusual'' name from the [[Breast Animal]]s they are partnered with, which transform from their titular <small>(snicker)</small> breastplate armor into an autonomous robotic animal or hand-held blaster. Don't let the name fool you, the Breastforce are nothing to laugh at.

<small>(giggle)</small>

The core six members of the Breastforce are:

*[[Leozack]], Deathsaurus's second-in-command and Grumman F-14D Tomcat fighter jet, partnered with [[Lionbreast]].
*[[Drillhorn (Victory)|Drillhorn]], the tunnelling machine, partnered with [[Hornbreast]].
*[[Guyhawk]], the MAPO MiG-29 "Fulcrum" fighter jet, partnered with [[Hawkbreast]].
*[[Hellbat (Victory)|Hellbat]], the Dassault Rafale fighter jet, partnered with [[Kōmoribreast]].
*[[Jallguar]], the Baja buggy, partnered with [[Jaguarbreast]].
*[[Killbison]], the Gepard anti-aircraft tank, partnered with [[Bisonbreast]].

Others members include:

*[[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]], Decepticon [[Emperor of Destruction]] and dragon/bird-monster, partnered with [[Tigerbreast]] and [[Eaglebreast]]
*[[Deathcobra (Victory)|Deathcobra]], the Mi-24 "Hind" assault helicopter, partnered with [[Cobrabreast]].

Leozack, Drillhorn, Guyhawk, Hellbat, Jallguar, and Killbison can combine to form the super-warrior [[Liokaiser]]. Deathcobra was also capable of combining with the team, but died before he got the chance. Sometimes, Deathsaurus takes the place of both Leozack and Jallguar as the combiner's torso.

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====''Victory'' cartoon====
[[Image:Breastforce combo stockfootage.jpg|left|265px|thumb|Invading a ''Tron'' machine near you!]]
Leozack was the first of the Breastforce to join Deathsaurus for his campaign against [[Earth]], {{storylink|Sneak Attack! Dinoking}} but he quickly developed designs on Decepticon leadership himself. {{storylink|Move Out! Rescue Team}} He was soon joined by his teammates Drillhorn, Jallguar and Killbison, {{storylink|Unite!! Multiforce}} and the team performed such missions as the raiding of the Neo Uranium Mines {{storylink|Infiltration... The Uranium Mine}} and the theft of energy from an American subway system. During the latter mission, the team's Breast Animals came to the fore, as they were unleashed upon the [[Autobot]]s in the cramped quarters of the underground tunnels. {{storylink|Big City - Underground Terror}}

Leozack later summoned the fifth Breastforcer, Hellbat, to Earth, but upon witnessing his leader getting dressed down by Deathsaurus, Hellbat decided he himself would make a better leader for the Breastforce. {{storylink|The New Warrior - Hellbat}} Ever the schemer, Hellbat's honeyed words roped the rest of the Breastforce into several plots, like the theft of energy from a shuttle port {{storylink|Attack the Shuttle Base!!}} or the ransom of [[Marine City]]. {{storylink|Tanker Hijack Operation}} Since the silver-tongued sneak was usually able to pass the blame for any failures on to Leozack, none of the other Breastforce members really trusted Hellbat, and Leozack began making plans to get rid of him. After rescuing their sixth teammate, Guyhawk, from the [[Planet Micro Satellite Penitentiary]], {{storylink|Rescue! Guyhawk}} Leozack summoned his old friend Deathcobra so that he could boot Hellbat out and the remaining six could combine into the giant robot, Liokaiser. Attempting to secure his position on the team, Hellbat petitioned Deathcobra to leave, but when a fight broke out between the two, Hellbat accidentally killed Deathcobra and blamed the murder on the Autobot [[Micromaster]] [[Holi]]. Seeking revenge, the Breastforce merged into Liokaiser and defeated [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]] in their first battle. {{storylink|Unite! Liokaiser}}

[[Image:Liokaiser death.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Oh, not ''another'' black recolor...]]
Back on Earth, the Breastforce battled Star Saber and [[Road Caesar]] at the [[Schaeffer Energy]] plant, {{storylink|Battle Up of Wrath!!}} and then went up against [[Landcross (Victory)|Landcross]] in the South Pole. {{storylink|Fight to the Death!! Antarctic Battle}} They later lured the [[Brainmaster]]s into an ambush in the desert {{storylink|Crisis! Ambush in the Desert}} and helped Deathsaurus battle Star Saber, {{storylink|A Deadly Battle}} then proceeded to perform numerous energy raids across the world, {{storylink|Ginrai Dies!!}} only to be repeatedly stymied by new Autobot [[Victory Leo]] {{storylink|Fight!! Victory Leo}} {{storylink|Awaken! Victory Leo}} and his ability to combine with Star Saber. {{storylink|The Tide Is Turned! The Ultimate Weapon, the Victory Unification}}

After plots that involved Leozack disguising himself as Star Saber {{storylink|A Mystery?! The Deception of the Base Bombs}} and unleashing metal-eating insects on the Autobots, {{storylink|The Death-Bringing Space Insects!!}} the Breastforce accompanied Deathsaurus into space once he had obtained enough energy to reactivate his [[Planet-Destroying Fortress]]. {{storylink|The Wrath of the Resurrected Giant Fortress!}} The Autobots arrived to stop the villains while the fortress's main cannon was charging, and the Breastforce, combined as Liokaiser, engaged Victory Leo in battle. The feral Autobot was able to blast the combiner into the barrel of the cannon, which drained his energy dry. As his body blackened, Liokaiser could feel his consciousness begin to fade, and he could only manage a faint cry for help as his deactivated body drifted off into the depths of space. {{storylink|Showdown! The Fortress vs the Victory Unification}}

====''Zone'' catalog====
Revived from death by some means and lead by the reborn [[Emperor of Destruction|Dark Emperor]] [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]], The Breastforce in the combined form of Liokaiser joined several other powerful Decepticons in an assault on planet [[Micro|Zone]]. Attempting to steal their [[Energon Z]], the Decepticons proved no match for the [[Micromaster]]s and were driven away. What became of Liokaiser after this is unknown. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)#Catalogue story page 1|Zone Project Story}}

===''Victory'' manga===
[[Image:Breastforce manga.jpg|left|250px|thumb]]
When the Breastforce arrived to join Deathsaurus in stealing energy from Earth, Leozack made his first strike alone, but botched it by forgetting to take his Breast Animal with him. {{storylink|Leozack Rumbles Violently!}} The rest of the team later battled Star Saber in their individual forms {{storylink|Warrior of Love, Star Saber!}} and still later combined with Leozack into Liokaiser to engage the Autobot leader on [[Energy Planet X]]. Liokaiser had the upper hand in this battle, but the tide turned when his individual components began arguing amongst themselves over who would get to deliver the killing blow, and Star Saber used the opening to defeat them. {{storylink|The Star of Friendship, Jan and Star Saber!}}

Subsequent fights did not go well for Liokaiser; first, he was thrashed by Star Saber when the Autobot leader combined with Victory Leo to become Victory Saber, {{storylink|The Strongest Partners, the Combination of Victory!}} and was then flattened by the united Autobots' "Five Stars of Victory" attack. {{storylink|Shine! The Five Stars of Victory}} Following this defeat, the Decepticons retreated into space and began attacking Earth using Deathsaurus's "Space Stronghold". Naturally, the Autobots pursued, and when Deathsaurus engaged Star Saber in a space battle, Leozack saw an opportunity to remove all his enemies at once. Even as his shocked teammates looked on, Leozack turned the fortress's main cannon on Deathsaurus! Deathsaurus survived the blast and fired upon the fortress with his own weapons, after which Star Saber came smashing through the fortress's control room window and slashed Leozack with his sword. Even as he collapsed in front of the Autobots, Leozack begged them not to destroy the fortress, and the true nature of the massive craft was revealed to the Autobots: It contained the Decepticons' [[relatives|families]], whom they had been fighting to protect all along. {{storylink|Heroic! The Victory War}}

{{--}}

===''Combiner Wars'' toy bio===
The Destrons were an elite strike team comprising criminals and convicts. {{storylink|#Generations|''Combiner Wars'' Liokaiser toy bio}}

==Toys==
===Victory===
[[Image:Victory-toy Leozack.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Leozack]]
[[Image:Killbison-toy.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Killbison]]

;Breastforce

*[[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deszaras]] (1989)

*[[Liokaiser|Liocaesar]]{{sic}} (1989)
**[[Leozack]]
**[[Drillhorn (Victory)|Drillhorn]]
**[[Guyhawk]]
**[[Hellbat (Victory)|Hellbat]]
**[[Jallguar]]
**[[Killbison]]

:The Breastforce were sold boxed with their Breast Animal partners, and consisted of seven all-new molds. The six smaller members could combine into Liokaiser (notable for his atypical almost-total lack of [[Kibble|combiner kibble]]), and were also sold together in a [[giftset]].

:Leozack, Killbison, Jallguar, and Drillhorn were later remolded to create the [[Rescue Force]] members [[Rescue Force (individual)|Rescue Force]], [[Rescue Force 1]], [[Rescue Force 2]], and [[Rescue Force 3]], respectively.
{{-}}

===Generations===
[[File:TF-Platinum-Edition-Combiner-Wars-Liokaiser.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Liokaiser]]
*'''Liokaiser''' (Platinum Edition giftset, 2016)

:Released only as a ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' / ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' gift set of 5 <s>Breastforce</s> Destrons: Deszarus, Drillhorn, Ironbison, Guyhawk, and Fellbat. The combiner also comes with [[Ion Scythe]], redecoed from ''Arms Micron'' [[Gul]].

:Deszarus's, Ironbison's, and Fellbat's original names were changed for ''obvious reasons''.

:This set was an [[exclusive]] to [[Entertainment Earth]].
{{--}}
{{-}}

==Notes==
*The term "Breastforce" is consistently romanized as "Brestforce" in every English instance of the name on the toy's packaging and tech spec materials. It may be a misspelling, or a usage of the obsolete alternate spelling "[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/brest brest]"; belief that it was the latter led to the "Brestforce" spelling being used in the subtitles produced for [[Metrodome]] and [[Madman Entertainment]]'s releases of ''Victory''. Although the "Brestforce" rendering avoids immature jokes, it does imply that they're [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest%2C_Belarus from Belarus].
* Following the trend in later Japanese Generation 1 series, the six combining members of Breastforce have fairly uniform tech spec numbers. Like their opposites in ''Victory'', the Brainmasters, four of them essentially have straight 8s, with a couple numbers slightly higher or lower to indicate their specialties, and all have totals in the neighborhood of 64.

===Foreign names===
*''English:'' '''Chestforce''' ([[Shout! Factory]] sub)
*''Mandarin:'' '''Hsiōng-Chǐa Bù-tuèi''' (Taiwan, 胸甲部隊, "Breastplate Force"), '''Xiōngjiǎ Zhànshì''' (China, 胸甲战士, "Breastplate Warrior")

==External links==
*[http://www.soundwavesoblivion.com/techspecs/techs1989.html Transformers Victory Translated Tech Specs at Soundwave's Oblivion]

[[Category:Breastforce| ]]
[[Category:Combiner teams]]
[[Category:Decepticon subgroups]]
[[Category:Victory subgroups]]

Megatron (disambiguation)

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NovaSaber: /* Not to be confused with... */

{{disambig}}
Across the [[multiverse]] the name '''Megatron''' invokes fear and terror, raw power with an unslakable thirst for more. A warlord intent on domination, not just of their homeworld but of all worlds... and for some, all of ''existence''.

Some versions of Megatron [[Reformatting|take on]] [[New body|new bodies]] and change their name to '''[[Galvatron (disambiguation)|Galvatron]]''' in the process.

{{bigquote|I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. I am that which is, which was and is yet to come... and you will know my name is Megatron when I lay my vengeance upon you!|The [[Covenant of Primus]]|"[[Nemesis Part 2]]"}}

==Major Megatrons==
<center><gallery widths="150px" heights="200px">
File:Megatronguido.jpg|[[Megatron (G1)|"Generation 1" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel]] • [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cartoon]] • [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW]] • [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Toys]] • [[Megatron (G1)/merchandise|Merchandise]]''
File:MegatronBWsourcebook.jpg|[[Megatron (BW)|"Beast Era" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Cartoon]] • [[Megatron (BW)/toys|Toys]]''
File:RIDMegatronGrippy.jpg|[[Megatron (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' (2001) Megatron]]
File:UnicronTrilogyMegatron cartoon bodies.jpg|[[Megatron (Armada)|"Unicron Trilogy" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Cartoon]] • [[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Toys]]''
File:Movie Megatron Defiance3.jpg|[[Megatron (Movie)|"Movie series" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (Movie)/games|Games]] • [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Toys]]''
File:Megatronanimated.jpg|[[Megatron (Animated)|''Animated'' Megatron]]
File:PrimeMegatron.jpg|[[Megatron (WFC)|"Aligned" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (WFC)/toys|Toys]]''
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Megatrons==
{{disamb|y=[[1984]]|[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], leader and sometimes founder of the [[Decepticon]]s and handheld [[Earth]] gun/random [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronic]] vehicle from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].}}
**For this character in [[Marvel Comics continuity]] see [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity]].
**For this character in [[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] see [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity]].
**For this character in [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] see [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity]].
**For toys of this character see [[Megatron (G1)/toys]].
**For merchandise of this character see [[Megatron (G1)/merchandise]].
{{disamb|y=[[1987]]|The [[Megatron Corps]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s legion of Megatron [[Cloning|clones]] from [[The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers|''The Transformers'' manga]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1996]]|[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] the leader of a group of renegade [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] and Cybertronic assault vehicle/''T-rex''/[[dragon]]/"Optimal Optimus" duplicate from ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' and later the [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicons]] from ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Machines]]''. Yeesss.
**For this character in the ''BW''/''BM'' cartoons see [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity]].
**For toys of this character see [[Megatron (BW)/toys]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1999]]|[[Megatron (myth)|Megatron]], a mythological figure in the [[Covenant of Primus]].}}
{{disamb|y=1999|[[Megatron X]], a mysterious silver-colored version of ''Beast Wars'' Megatron from ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2000]]|[[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]], a [[Predacon (RID)|Predacon]] [[Six Changer|six-changing]] galactic conqueror from the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] franchise.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2002]]|[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], yet another Decepticon commander and a pivotal figure in the [[Unicron Trilogy]].
**For his [[Unicron Trilogy cartoon timeline|cartoon incarnation]] see [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity]].
**For toys of this character see [[Megatron (Armada)/toys]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2007]]|[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] the former [[Lord High Protector]] of Cybertron and Cybertronic jet/flying tank/Earth truck who gets a jonesing for the [[AllSpark]] and sparks [[Transformers (film)|a motion picture]].
**For this character in video games see [[Megatron (Movie)/games]].
**For toys and other merchandise of this character see [[Megatron (Movie)/toys]]}}
{{disamb|y=2007|[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] the (glorious) Decepticon leader and Cybertronic jet/Earth helicopter from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2008]]|[[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]] the morally ambiguous leader of the Decepticons in ''[[Transformers: TransTech|TransTech]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|[[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]] the heroic leader of the Decepticon resistance in ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2010]]|[[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] the leader of the Decepticons and Cybertronic tank/jet from the [[Aligned continuity family]].
**For toys of this character see [[Megatron (WFC)/toys]]}}
{{disamb|y=2010|[[Master Megatron]] the other Decepticon-allied Megatron from ''Animated''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2011]]|[[Megatron (SG Animated)|Megatron]] the heroic Decepticon from ''Shattered Glass Animated''.}}
{{disamb|y=2011|[[Megatron (Kre-O)|Megatron]] the Decepticon brick-based being and [[Kreon]] from ''[[Kre-O]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2011|[[Darkside Megatron]] the living embodiment of ''G1'' Megatron's insanity.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2012]]|[[Megatron Cannon]] the Decepticon [[Arms Micron]] from ''Prime''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2013]]|[[Megatron (BWSG)|Megatron]] the heroic leader of the Predacons in ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2014]]|[[Megatron (KOU)|Megatron]] the Decepticon guitarist from ''[[Knights of Unicron (band)|Knights of Unicron]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2014|[[Megatron (Battle Masters)|Megatron]] the Decepticon leader from ''[[Battle Masters]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2015]]|[[Megatron (human)|Megatron]] the [[human]] football player who may or may not have Cybertronian origins.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2017]]|[[Megatron (SG TransTech)|Megatron]] the heroic Decepticon from ''Shattered Glass TransTech''.}}

==Fictions with "Megatron" in the title==
{{disamb|y=[[1985]]|"[[Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1|Megatron's Master Plan]]" the 3-part episode of the [[Sunbow Productions|Sunbow]] [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon]].}}
{{disamb|y=1985|"[[Megatron's Fight for Power]]" from [[Ladybird Books]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1995]]|"[[Megatron Set Special CD]]" the soundtrack album available with [[TakaraTomy]]'s second {{w|LaserDisc}} set of the cartoon.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2004]]|"[[Megatron's Sword]]", an episode from the ''[[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Energon]]'' series.}}
{{disamb|y=2004|"[[Megatron Resurrected]]", another episode from the ''Energon'' series.}}
{{disamb|y=2004|"[[Megatron Raid]]", a further episode from the ''Energon'' series.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2005]]|"[[Megatron Ondo]]" the song included on [[Geneon Universal Entertainment|DVD volume 7]] of ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars Returns]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2007|''[[The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin]]'' the 4-issue comic series from [[IDW Publishing|IDW]].}}
{{disamb|y=2007|"[[Transformers Comic issue 2#Prelude: Megatron|Prelude: Megatron]]" the story featured in issue #2 of the [[Titan Books|Titan]] [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|comic]].}}
{{disamb|y=2007|"[[Destron Leader Megatron Black Ver.]]" the [[e-HOBBY]] [[pack-in material]].}}
{{disamb|y=2007|"[[Megatron Chapter]]", part of the ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|"[[Megatron Rising - Part 1|Megatron Rising]]" the 2-part episode of ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]'' the 16-issue "soft reboot" of the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]].}}
{{disamb|y=2008|"[[Starscream Heckles Megatron]]" the ''Animated'' short.}}
{{disamb|y=2008?|"[[Meet Megatron]]", another ''Animated'' short.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2009]]|"[[Transformers Comic issue 24#Megatron's Revenge|Megatron's Revenge]]" the story featured in issue #24 of the Titan comic.}}
{{disamb|y=2010|''[[The Transformers: Best of Megatron|Best of Megatron]]'' the trade paperback collection from IDW.}}
{{disamb|y=2011|"[[A Gift For Megatron]]" the Kre-O animated short.}}
{{disamb|y=2012|"[[Megatron's Revenge]]" the Kre-O animated short.}}
{{disamb|y=2012|"[[Megatron Returns]]" the storybook from [[Bantam Children]].}}
{{disamb|y=2013|"[[Spotlight: Megatron]]" the 28th issue of ''[[The Transformers: Spotlight]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2016|"[[Not All Megatrons]]" the ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' prose story.}}

There are also numerous fictions titled something like "[[Optimus Prime vs Megatron (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime vs Megatron]]".

==See also==
{{disamb|y=[[1989]]|[[Megatron's base]] from the [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''Generation 1'' comics]].}}
{{disamb|y=2004|[[Megatron's castle]] from the [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] ''[[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Generation One]]'' comics.}}
{{disamb|y=2012|The Nike Calvin Johnson Megatron collection, a line of sports equipment inspired by Megatron the human.[http://www.nikeblog.com/2012/11/22/nike-calvin-johnson-megatron-collection/]}}

==Not to be confused with...==
*[[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]], a Decepticon commander who temporarily inhabited Megatron's body (or a version of it, it's complicated) from the ''Generation 1'' comics.
*[[Archforce]] the [[Europe]]an ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'' Decepticon whose toy was released in North America as "Hero" Megatron.
*[[Megatronia]] the combined form of [[Megaempress]] and her [[4 Guards]] from the [[Japan]]ese ''Generation 1'' comics.
*The [[Megatron statue]], a massive stone statue of the Unicron Trilogy character.
*[[Megaplex]], a duplicate of Megatron designed to fool his enemies from the ''Generation 1'' continuity.
*[[Mechatron]], a [[Beast Rider]] from ''Beast Machines''.
*[[Gigatron (disambiguation)|Gigatron]], a different name for Megatron most notably in the [[Viron]] [[universal cluster]].
*[[Megabolt]], a Decepticon fashioned from Megatron's corpse from ''Robots in Disguise'' 2001.
*[[Megastorm]] the younger brother of [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] from ''[[Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars II]]''.
*The [[Gigastorm Armor]], a weapon used by G1 Megatron which looks familiar to a certain someone.
*The ''[[Megastar]]'', 2001 ''Robots in Disguise'' Megatron's starship and base.
*[[Megazarak (disambiguation)|Characters named Megazarak]].
*[[Mega-Dinobot]] the combined form of [[Grimlock (Energon)|Grimlock]] and [[Swoop (Energon)|Swoop]] from ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]''.
*[[Mega-Octane]] leader of the Decepticon [[Commando (RID)|Commandos]] from ''Robots in Disguise''.
*[[Mega]] the female [[Godmaster (lifeform)|Godmaster]] from ''Masterforce'' who with her husband [[Giga]] forms [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]].
*[[Metatron]] the angel mentioned in both ancient Cybertronian texts and real-life Talmud, even if at least one Megatron has ''claimed'' to be him.
*Megatronus, the original name of [[The Fallen]], one of the [[thirteen]] [[Dynasty of Primes|original Transformers]] who some Megatrons took their name from.

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave ''Armada'' continuity===
As the leader of one of two main factions of Cybertronians any given reality's Megatron generally posed a problem for the dimension-hopping destroyer [[Unicron]] and therefore Megatron was a priority target for [[Herald of Unicron|Unicron's heralds]]. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 1 of 4}} While grappling with the [[Megatron (Armada)#Dreamwave Armada continuity|Megatron]] of [[Aurex 402.24 Gamma]] lead herald [[Galvatron (G1)#Dreamwave Armada continuity|Galvatron]] noted to his adversary that he had killed "many" Megatrons. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 3 of 4}}
===''TransTech''===
In one of the oldest dimensions in the [[multiverse]] one [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronian city]], [[Axiom Nexus]] is a hub for travelers from other dimensions. The city maintains its relative harmony through a strict principal of "[[Dux non Intruitus]]": all Megatrons as well as [[Prime (disambiguation)|Primes]], miscellaneous faction leaders and [[:Category:MacGuffins|MacGuffins]] from other universes are considered illegal. This hasn't stopped [[Megatron (BW)|a few]] [[Megatron (Movie)|sneaky offworlders]] from circumventing the ban. {{storylink|Cybertron's Most Wanted}} {{storylink|Bee in the City}}
===e-HOBBY comics===
[[Megalligator]] wanted to kill all Megatrons in the multiverse. {{storylink|Cybertron Convobat}}

Megatron (disambiguation)

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Across the [[multiverse]] the name '''Megatron''' invokes fear and terror, raw power with an unslakable thirst for more. A warlord intent on domination, not just of their homeworld but of all worlds... and for some, all of ''existence''.

Some versions of Megatron [[Reformatting|take on]] [[New body|new bodies]] and change their name to '''[[Galvatron (disambiguation)|Galvatron]]''' in the process.

{{bigquote|I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. I am that which is, which was and is yet to come... and you will know my name is Megatron when I lay my vengeance upon you!|The [[Covenant of Primus]]|"[[Nemesis Part 2]]"}}

==Major Megatrons==
<center><gallery widths="150px" heights="200px">
File:Megatronguido.jpg|[[Megatron (G1)|"Generation 1" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel]] • [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cartoon]] • [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW]] • [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Toys]] • [[Megatron (G1)/merchandise|Merchandise]]''
File:MegatronBWsourcebook.jpg|[[Megatron (BW)|"Beast Era" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Cartoon]] • [[Megatron (BW)/toys|Toys]]''
File:RIDMegatronGrippy.jpg|[[Megatron (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' (2001) Megatron]]
File:UnicronTrilogyMegatron cartoon bodies.jpg|[[Megatron (Armada)|"Unicron Trilogy" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Cartoon]] • [[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Toys]]''
File:Movie Megatron Defiance3.jpg|[[Megatron (Movie)|"Movie series" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (Movie)/games|Games]] • [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Toys]]''
File:Megatronanimated.jpg|[[Megatron (Animated)|''Animated'' Megatron]]
File:PrimeMegatron.jpg|[[Megatron (WFC)|"Aligned" Megatron]]<br><hr>''[[Megatron (WFC)/toys|Toys]]''
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Megatrons==
{{disamb|y=[[1984]]|[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], leader and sometimes founder of the [[Decepticon]]s and handheld [[Earth]] gun/random [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronic]] vehicle from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].}}
**For this character in [[Marvel Comics continuity]] see [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity]].
**For this character in [[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] see [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity]].
**For this character in [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] see [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity]].
**For toys of this character see [[Megatron (G1)/toys]].
**For merchandise of this character see [[Megatron (G1)/merchandise]].
{{disamb|y=[[1987]]|The [[Megatron Corps]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s legion of Megatron [[Cloning|clones]] from [[The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers|''The Transformers'' manga]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1996]]|[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] the leader of a group of renegade [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] and Cybertronic assault vehicle/''T-rex''/[[dragon]]/"Optimal Optimus" duplicate from ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' and later the [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicons]] from ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Machines]]''. Yeesss.
**For this character in the ''BW''/''BM'' cartoons see [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity]].
**For toys of this character see [[Megatron (BW)/toys]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1999]]|[[Megatron (myth)|Megatron]], a mythological figure in the [[Covenant of Primus]].}}
{{disamb|y=1999|[[Megatron X]], a mysterious silver-colored version of ''Beast Wars'' Megatron from ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2000]]|[[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]], a [[Predacon (RID)|Predacon]] [[Six Changer|six-changing]] galactic conqueror from the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] franchise.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2002]]|[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], yet another Decepticon commander and a pivotal figure in the [[Unicron Trilogy]].
**For his [[Unicron Trilogy cartoon timeline|cartoon incarnation]] see [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity]].
**For toys of this character see [[Megatron (Armada)/toys]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2007]]|[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] the former [[Lord High Protector]] of Cybertron and Cybertronic jet/flying tank/Earth truck who gets a jonesing for the [[AllSpark]] and sparks [[Transformers (film)|a motion picture]].
**For this character in video games see [[Megatron (Movie)/games]].
**For toys and other merchandise of this character see [[Megatron (Movie)/toys]]}}
{{disamb|y=2007|[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] the (glorious) Decepticon leader and Cybertronic jet/Earth helicopter from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2008]]|[[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]] the morally ambiguous leader of the Decepticons in ''[[Transformers: TransTech|TransTech]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|[[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]] the heroic leader of the Decepticon resistance in ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2010]]|[[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] the leader of the Decepticons and Cybertronic tank/jet from the [[Aligned continuity family]].
**For toys of this character see [[Megatron (WFC)/toys]]}}
{{disamb|y=2010|[[Master Megatron]] the other Decepticon-allied Megatron from ''Animated''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2011]]|[[Megatron (SG Animated)|Megatron]] the heroic Decepticon from ''Shattered Glass Animated''.}}
{{disamb|y=2011|[[Megatron (Kre-O)|Megatron]] the Decepticon brick-based being and [[Kreon]] from ''[[Kre-O]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2011|[[Darkside Megatron]] the living embodiment of ''G1'' Megatron's insanity.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2012]]|[[Megatron Cannon]] the Decepticon [[Arms Micron]] from ''Prime''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2013]]|[[Megatron (BWSG)|Megatron]] the heroic leader of the Predacons in ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2014]]|[[Megatron (KOU)|Megatron]] the Decepticon guitarist from ''[[Knights of Unicron (band)|Knights of Unicron]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2014|[[Megatron (Battle Masters)|Megatron]] the Decepticon leader from ''[[Battle Masters]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2015]]|[[Megatron (human)|Megatron]] the [[human]] football player who may or may not have Cybertronian origins.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2017]]|[[Megatron (SG TransTech)|Megatron]] the heroic Decepticon from ''Shattered Glass TransTech''.}}

==Fictions with "Megatron" in the title==
{{disamb|y=[[1985]]|"[[Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1|Megatron's Master Plan]]" the 3-part episode of the [[Sunbow Productions|Sunbow]] [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon]].}}
{{disamb|y=1985|"[[Megatron's Fight for Power]]" from [[Ladybird Books]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1995]]|"[[Megatron Set Special CD]]" the soundtrack album available with [[TakaraTomy]]'s second {{w|LaserDisc}} set of the cartoon.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2004]]|"[[Megatron's Sword]]", an episode from the ''[[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Energon]]'' series.}}
{{disamb|y=2004|"[[Megatron Resurrected]]", another episode from the ''Energon'' series.}}
{{disamb|y=2004|"[[Megatron Raid]]", a further episode from the ''Energon'' series.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2005]]|"[[Megatron Ondo]]" the song included on [[Geneon Universal Entertainment|DVD volume 7]] of ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars Returns]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2007|''[[The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin]]'' the 4-issue comic series from [[IDW Publishing|IDW]].}}
{{disamb|y=2007|"[[Transformers Comic issue 2#Prelude: Megatron|Prelude: Megatron]]" the story featured in issue #2 of the [[Titan Books|Titan]] [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|comic]].}}
{{disamb|y=2007|"[[Destron Leader Megatron Black Ver.]]" the [[e-HOBBY]] [[pack-in material]].}}
{{disamb|y=2007|"[[Megatron Chapter]]", part of the ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|"[[Megatron Rising - Part 1|Megatron Rising]]" the 2-part episode of ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2008|''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]'' the 16-issue "soft reboot" of the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]].}}
{{disamb|y=2008|"[[Starscream Heckles Megatron]]" the ''Animated'' short.}}
{{disamb|y=2008?|"[[Meet Megatron]]", another ''Animated'' short.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2009]]|"[[Transformers Comic issue 24#Megatron's Revenge|Megatron's Revenge]]" the story featured in issue #24 of the Titan comic.}}
{{disamb|y=2010|''[[The Transformers: Best of Megatron|Best of Megatron]]'' the trade paperback collection from IDW.}}
{{disamb|y=2011|"[[A Gift For Megatron]]" the Kre-O animated short.}}
{{disamb|y=2012|"[[Megatron's Revenge]]" the Kre-O animated short.}}
{{disamb|y=2012|"[[Megatron Returns]]" the storybook from [[Bantam Children]].}}
{{disamb|y=2013|"[[Spotlight: Megatron]]" the 28th issue of ''[[The Transformers: Spotlight]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=2016|"[[Not All Megatrons]]" the ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' prose story.}}

There are also numerous fictions titled something like "[[Optimus Prime vs Megatron (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime vs Megatron]]".

==See also==
{{disamb|y=[[1989]]|[[Megatron's base]] from the [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''Generation 1'' comics]].}}
{{disamb|y=2004|[[Megatron's castle]] from the [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] ''[[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Generation One]]'' comics.}}
{{disamb|y=2012|The Nike Calvin Johnson Megatron collection, a line of sports equipment inspired by Megatron the human.[http://www.nikeblog.com/2012/11/22/nike-calvin-johnson-megatron-collection/]}}

==Not to be confused with...==
*[[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]], a Decepticon commander who temporarily inhabited Megatron's body (or a version of it, it's complicated) from the ''Generation 1'' comics.
*[[Archforce]] the [[Europe]]an ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'' Decepticon whose toy was released in North America as "Hero" Megatron.
*[[Megatronia]] the combined form of [[Megaempress]] and her [[4 Guards]] from the [[Japan]]ese ''Generation 1'' comics.
*The [[Megatron statue]], a massive stone statue of the Unicron Trilogy character.
*[[Megaplex]], a duplicate of Megatron designed to fool his enemies from the ''Generation 1'' continuity.
*[[Mechatron]], a [[Beast Rider]] from ''Beast Machines''.
*[[Gigatron (disambiguation)|Gigatron]], a different name for Megatron most notably in the [[Viron]] [[universal cluster]].
*[[Megabolt]], a Decepticon fashioned from Megatron's corpse from ''Robots in Disguise'' 2001.
*[[Megastorm]] the younger brother of [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] from ''[[Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars II]]''.
*The [[Gigastorm Armor]], a weapon used by G1 Megatron which looks familiar to a certain someone.
*The ''[[Megastar]]'', 2001 ''Robots in Disguise'' Megatron's starship and base.
*[[Megazarak (disambiguation)|Characters named Megazarak]].
*[[Mega-Dinobot]] the combined form of [[Grimlock (Energon)|Grimlock]] and [[Swoop (Energon)|Swoop]] from ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]''.
*[[Mega-Octane]] leader of the Decepticon [[Commando (RID)|Commandos]] from ''Robots in Disguise''.
*[[Mega]] the female [[Godmaster (lifeform)|Godmaster]] from ''Masterforce'' who with her husband [[Giga]] forms [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]].
*[[Metatron]] the angel mentioned in both ancient Cybertronian texts and real-life [[Talmud]] even if at least one Megatron has ''claimed'' to be him.
*Megatronus, the original name of [[The Fallen]], one of the [[thirteen]] [[Dynasty of Primes|original Transformers]] who some Megatrons took their name from.

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave ''Armada'' continuity===
As the leader of one of two main factions of Cybertronians any given reality's Megatron generally posed a problem for the dimension-hopping destroyer [[Unicron]] and therefore Megatron was a priority target for [[Herald of Unicron|Unicron's heralds]]. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 1 of 4}} While grappling with the [[Megatron (Armada)#Dreamwave Armada continuity|Megatron]] of [[Aurex 402.24 Gamma]] lead herald [[Galvatron (G1)#Dreamwave Armada continuity|Galvatron]] noted to his adversary that he had killed "many" Megatrons. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 3 of 4}}
===''TransTech''===
In one of the oldest dimensions in the [[multiverse]] one [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronian city]], [[Axiom Nexus]] is a hub for travelers from other dimensions. The city maintains its relative harmony through a strict principal of "[[Dux non Intruitus]]": all Megatrons as well as [[Prime (disambiguation)|Primes]], miscellaneous faction leaders and [[:Category:MacGuffins|MacGuffins]] from other universes are considered illegal. This hasn't stopped [[Megatron (BW)|a few]] [[Megatron (Movie)|sneaky offworlders]] from circumventing the ban. {{storylink|Cybertron's Most Wanted}} {{storylink|Bee in the City}}
===e-HOBBY comics===
[[Megalligator]] wanted to kill all Megatrons in the multiverse. {{storylink|Cybertron Convobat}}

Powerlinx

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:''Powerlinx is a kind of technology originating from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''

'''Powerlinx''' (alternatively spelled '''Powerlink''') is a group of technologies that allow [[Transformer]]s of the same or different types to combine in order to become more powerful.

==Fiction==
{{picsneeded|Pictures of powerlinxed Transformers}}
===''Armada''===
[[Mini-Con]]s are small Transformers that Powerlinx with normal-sized Transformers which they call "[[Bulk]]s". Once Powerlinxed, the Transformer gains extra powers and [[weapon]]s. Because of their utility, the Mini-Cons are highly sought after by both [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s. Whichever side collects the most could potentially win the war.

Unfortunately for the Mini-Cons, bonding with larger Transformers—especially Decepticons—activated a restraining "[[servility program]]" which proved difficult, if not outright impossible to resist.
===''Energon''===
====Cartoon continuity====
[[Image:Optimus Prime combining with Fire-1.jpg|right|thumb|What happens between a robot and a consenting vehicle is none of our business.]]
Powerlinking is an ability given to some Transformers by [[Primus]] through the gift of [[Spark of Combination|Sparks of Combination]]. This allows Autobots to combine with each other to become more powerful. Just receiving a Spark of Combination doesn't automatically make someone an expert at it, however. It takes practice and the partners have to learn to synchronize their breathing. {{storylink|Megatron's Sword}}

There are four types of Powerlinxing:
#Similarly-sized Autobots can Powerlinx together with one forming the top half and one forming the bottom. The combined form is called by the name of the Autobot serving as the top half. By all appearances, the personality of the bottom-half Autobot is completely absent.
#[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] is able to Powerlinx with his [[Prime Force]] [[drone]]s, [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] and [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]] to form [[Optimus Prime Super Modes|a super mode]]. Optimus remains himself and is still called "Optimus Prime", but Omega Supreme can continue to communicate with him. This may be because his head [[Omega Supreme (Energon)#Omega|Omega]] is stored in his shoulder.
#Some Autobots can Powerlink with parts of their [[alternate mode]] to form [[Super Mode|a brute mode]].
#The guardians of the [[Super Energon Temple]] are super robots formed by teams of five Transformers Powerlinxed together. However, the limb Transformers don't appear to have individual personalities.
====Dreamwave comic continuity====
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===Aligned continuity family===
====''Robots in Disguise'' 2015====
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==Toys==
===''Armada''===
Mini-Cons had Powerlinx ports—circular 5mm holes with single plastic pins at their centers—that could plug into appropriate Powerlinx hardpoints (hollow [[5mm post]]s) on the larger Transformers figures. All of the ''Armada'' toys, Deluxe class and upwards, had at least one "active" hardpoint that, when a Mini-Con figure was attached, would activate some kind of [[gimmick]]. The majority of other Powerlinx ports on figures were "dead"—sculpted details not linked to any gimmick, simply there for attaching Mini-Cons. Some of the [[Size class|larger toys such as Super Base]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], Gigacon [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron/Galvatron]] and [[Unicron]] had several active Powerlinx ports linked to different gimmicks.

===''Energon''===
Powerlinx was no longer associated with Mini-Cons and larger robots linking together, but with the Autobots (Combat/Deluxe class and upwards) combining with one another (figures would have Powerlinx ports, essentially a set of interlocking tabs, somewhere on them; they would often be hidden away somehow by panels or the transformation) or with some auxiliary drones that were packaged with them (for these ones, normal tabs and pegs would be the way to combine) to create larger robot toys. Combat/Deluxe and Mega Combat/Voyager class Autobot toys could combine with one another, Commanders/Ultra class Autobots could only combine with whatever auxiliary unit was included in their package while Leader class Optimus Prime could combine with his included [[Prime Force]] drones, the Mega Combat class [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] and the Supreme class [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]].

Toys came with different color Powerlinx symbols to indicate how they combine:
*[[Image:Energon Powerlinx symbol.png|25px]] Used by Optimus Prime and his partners.

*[[Image:Energon Powerlinx Gold symbol.png|25px]] Used by Mega-sized Transformers who can combine with fellow Mega- and Deluxe-sized Transformers.

*[[Image:Energon Powerlinx Silver symbol.png|25px]] Used by Deluxe-sized Transformers who can combine with fellow Deluxe- and Mega-sized Transformers.

*[[Image:Energon Powerlinx Red symbol.png|25px]] Used by Ultra-sized Transformers, who can combine with additional vehicle mode parts to form a [[Super Mode|brute mode]].

*[[Image:Energon Powerlinx Blue symbol.png|25px]] Used by the [[Air Team]], the [[Construction Team]], and the [[Destruction Team]].
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==Notes==
*[[Cyber Planet Key]]s do not Powerlinx. Well, except [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]]'s. And deluxe [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]'s.
*The ''Energon'' Autobots' Powerlinx feature recycles a gimmick originally used by the [[Multiforce]].
*In Japanese the effect of Mini-Cons connecting to bulks was called "Evolution" and the process of Autobots combining was known as "Super Link", with no implication they are related.

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[[Category:Robots in Disguise (2015) technology]]
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Transformers: Energon (cartoon)

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[[File:TransEnergonTitle.JPG|upright=1.4|thumb|I'm looking pretty good [[Transformers: Combiner Wars (cartoon)|NOW]] aren't I?]]

'''''Transformers: Energon''''', known as '''''Transformers: Super Link''''' (トランスフォーマースーパーリンク) in Japan, is a cartoon series produced by [[Actas Inc.]] and [[Studio A-CAT]]. It aired in the US from January 2004 to June 2005 for <s>52</s> 51 episodes, in support of the toyline of the same name. It is a direct sequel to ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'' and forms the second part of the "[[Unicron Trilogy]]".

The show takes place ten years after the finale of ''Armada'', opening in an age of peace on Cybertron and Earth which is destined not to last long. ''Energon'' pits the Autobots against an array of villains: the reborn [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Megatron]], the barely functional [[Unicron]], and the mysterious [[Alpha Quintesson|Alpha Q]] and his [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcon]] minions.

''Energon'', like ''Armada'', was written and animated in Japan and dubbed for US consumption. The series introduced to Transformers cartoons the technique of combining cel-shaded [[Computer-generated imagery|computer animation]] with 2D hand-drawn animation, creating a fusion between the CGI of ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]''/''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Machines]]'' and traditionally animated series such as ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 cartoon)|Car Robots/Robots in Disguise]]''.

For ''Super Link'', "[[Taiyō no Transform!!]]" plays as its opening [[Japanese themes|theme]] and "[[Calling You]]" for its ending theme.

:''Preceded by: [[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]''
:''Followed by: [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Cybertron]]''

==Characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
'''Main Cast'''

*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] ([[Garry Chalk]])
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] ([[Brent Miller]])
*[[Inferno (Energon)|Inferno/Roadblock]] ([[Michael Daingerfield]])
*[[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] ([[Matt Hill]])
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] ([[Scott McNeil]])
*[[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] ([[Colin Murdoch]])
*[[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]] (Scott McNeil)

'''Team Rodimus'''

*[[Rodimus (Energon)|Rodimus]] ([[Paul Dobson]])
*[[Prowl (Energon)|Prowl]] ([[Alistair Abell]])
*[[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] ([[Ward Perry]])

'''Team Bulkhead'''

*[[Bulkhead (Energon)|Bulkhead]] ([[French Tickner]])
*[[Cliffjumper (Energon)|Cliffjumper]] ([[Doron Bell, Jr.]])
*[[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]] ([[Ty Olsson]])

'''Omnicons'''

*[[Arcee (Energon)|Arcee]] ([[Sharon Alexander]])
*[[Signal Flare (Energon)|Signal Flare]] ([[Michael Dobson]])
*[[Skyblast (Energon)|Skyblast]] ([[Terry Klassen]])
*[[Strongarm (Energon)|Strongarm]] (Scott McNeil)

'''Combiner teams'''

*[[Air Team]]
**[[Superion Maximus]] ([[Paul Dobson]])
**[[Storm Jet (Energon)|Storm Jet]]
**[[Sky Shadow (Energon)|Sky Shadow]]
**[[Terradive (Energon)|Terradive]]
**[[Treadshot (Energon)|Treadshot]]
**[[Windrazor (Energon)|Windrazor]]

'''Others'''
*[[Padlock (Energon)|Padlock]] ([[Ron Halder]])
*[[Autobot nurse]]s (?)
*[[Rhyming Omnicon fanboys]] ([[Tony Sampson]])

|c2=
'''Main Cast'''

*[[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Megatron/Galvatron]] ([[David Kaye]])
*[[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus/Snow Cat]] ([[Don Brown]])
*[[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] ([[Alvin Sanders]])
*[[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Starscream]] ([[Michael Dobson]])
*[[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave/Mirage]] ([[Doug Parker]])
*[[Shockblast]] ([[Brian Drummond]])
*[[Six Shot]] ([[Terry Klassen]])

'''Combiner teams'''

*[[Construction Team]]
**[[Constructicon Maximus]] (Don Brown)
**[[Steamhammer (Energon)|Steamhammer]]
**[[Bonecrusher (Energon)|Bonecrusher]]
**[[Duststorm (Energon)|Duststorm]]
**[[Sledge (Energon)|Sledge]]
**[[Wideload (Energon)|Wideload]]

*[[Destruction Team]]
**[[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Bruticus Maximus]] ([[Trevor Devall]])
**[[Barricade (Energon)|Barricade]]
**[[Blackout (combiner)|Blackout]]
**[[Blight (Energon)|Blight]]
**[[Kickback (Energon)|Kickback]]
**[[Stormcloud (Energon)|Stormcloud]]

'''Terrorcons'''

*[[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] ([[Colin Murdoch]])
*[[Battle Ravage]]/[[Command Ravage]]
*[[Divebomb (Energon)|Divebomb]]/[[Blackout (Terrorcon)|Blackout]]
*[[Cruellock]]
*[[Insecticon (Energon)|Insecticon]]

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'''Regulars'''
*[[Kicker Jones]] ([[Brad Swaile]])
*[[Misha Miramond]] ([[Ellen Kennedy]])
*[[Brian Jones (Energon)|Brian Jones]] ([[Ron Halder]])
*[[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]] ([[Tabitha St. Germain]])
*[[Carlos Lopez]] ([[Matt Hill]])
*[[Miranda Jones]] ([[Nicole Oliver]])
*[[Rad White]] ([[Kirby Morrow]])
*[[Sally Jones]] (Nicole Oliver)

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*[[Alpha Quintesson]] ([[Trevor Devall]])
*[[Primus]] ([[Ron Halder]])
*[[Unicron]] ([[Mark Acheson]])

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}}

==Episodes==
{{main|List of Energon episodes}}

{{collist|4|
#[[Cybertron City (episode)|Cybertron City]]
#[[Energon Stars]]
#[[Scorpinok (episode)|Scorpinok]]
#[[Megatron's Sword]]
#[[The New Cybertron City]]
#[[Megatron Resurrected]]
#[[Megatron Raid]]
#[[Starscream the Mysterious Mercenary]]
#[[Battle of the Asteroid Belt]]
#[[Energon Tower]]
#[[The Legend of Rodimus]]
#[[Crisis in Jungle City]]
#[[Kicker Beware!]]
#[[Energon Grid]]
#[[Rodimus Friend or Foe?]]
#[[Go for Unicron!]]
#[[The Return of Demolishor]]
#[[A Tale of Two Heros]]
#[[Battle Stations]]
#[[Alpha Q: Identity]]
#[[Shockblast: Rampage]]
#[[Survival Instincts]]
#[[Each One Fights...]]
#[[Unicron Unleashed]]
#[[Open Fire!]]
#[[Ripped Up Space]]
#[[Team Optimus Prime]]{{dag|red}}
#[[Protection]]
#[[Imprisoned Inferno|Improsoned Inferno]]
#[[Jungle Planet (episode)|Jungle Planet]]
#[[Bulkhead (episode)|Bulkhead]]
#[[Farewell Inferno]]<br />[[Return! Our Scorponok]]
#[[Crash Course]]
#[[Omega Supreme (episode)|Omega Supreme]]
#[[A Heroic Battle]]
#[[The Power of Unicron|The Power]]
#[[Optimus Supreme]]
#[[Unicron Perishes]]
#[[Ambition]]
#[[Wishes]]
#[[Galvatron!]]
#[[Break Through]]
#[[Distribution]]
#[[The Omega Train]]
#[[Decepticon Army|Deception Army]]
#[[Ironhide Team]]
#[[Formidable]]
#[[Galvatron Terror]]
#[[Destructive Power]]
#[[Spark (episode)|Spark]]
#[[The Sun]]
}}
{{dag|red}} ''[[Clip show]]''<br>
"Return! Our Scorponok" was to be "Scorponok's Scars", but it never aired and was probably never dubbed. It is not considered to exist in the English version of the series.

==Criticisms==
{{bigquote|Something cool ''finally'' happened!|[[Alpha Quintesson|Alpha Q]] announces that the series is over.<ref>No, really! In every preview for ''Super Link'', Alpha Q promised the audience that "Something cool might happen" in the next episode. When the series ended, he finally declared that the promised coolness had, at last, come to pass. He might be crazy, but he's not ''entirely'' wrong in the head.</ref>}}

The fiction of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] got off to a bad start with the ''Armada'' cartoon, and many fans had hopes that ''Energon'' would be a return to glory. Alas, it was not to be; ''Energon'', the televisual representation of Transformers for its 20th anniversary year, is widely considered the worst Transformers cartoon televised in the United States.

===Conceptual and storytelling flaws===
====Plotting====
The primary flaw of ''Energon'' is that it simply does not have enough plot to fill 52 episodes. The first half of the series moves at a respectable pace, and around episode #20, the villains achieve their objective — the restoration of Unicron. However, because there are another 30 episodes to fill, an attack by the Autobots and their allies [[Battle Stations|deactivates Unicron]]. The storyline is then essentially ''repeated'' for twenty more episodes, until Unicron is reactivated ''again'' and [[Unicron Perishes|destroyed ''again'']]. But even then, there are ''still'' thirteen more episodes to go, and with the ''driving aspect of the plot'' destroyed, viewers are served up a virtually pointless storyline full of [[To sell toys|repaints and combiners]], which added nothing to what had already taken place.

Individual episodes are likewise padded out with time-killing scenes such as [[stock footage]] sequences, generally a minimum of three per episode. An ''incredible'' amount of time is consumed in communication and report scenes, in which the characters stand around in front of video screens and [[Team Optimus Prime|tell one another things that the viewers already know]].

====Character de-evolution====
The series takes a ''very'' dismissive attitude towards characters and their development. With the exception of [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] (who survives the series and resolves his long-running feud with [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]]), the writers seemed unable to carry personal sub-plots and conflicts through to any conclusion. Instead, they would either quietly drop these opportunities for character development, or (much more gallingly) the characters would die and/or get mindwiped, so the stories would not ''have'' to be resolved. Examples:

*Demolishor's uncertainty in the Decepticon cause? "Resolved" by having him sacrifice himself to save Megatron, then having Megatron resurrect him with no memories.
*Inferno's struggle against Megatron's Decepticon programming? Brought to an end by having him kill himself, then be resurrected, only to do ''absolutely nothing'' for the rest of the series.
*Kicker's hatred of Transformers? Vanishes with no explanation after roughly two episodes, save for the occasional kick to Ironhide.
*Rodimus and Optimus Prime's ideological feud over whether Unicron should be destroyed? Rodimus puts himself under Optimus's command for the mission to defeat Galvatron, and the argument never comes up again.
*Wing Saber's dedication to capturing Shockblast? Well, he captures him . . . but when Shockblast escapes again, Wing Saber doesn't say a word.

Many similar examples exist.

====Promoting toys====
Of course, any Transformers series exists [[to sell toys]], but in promoting the abilities and gimmicks of its toyline, ''Energon'' frequently ignored common sense to the most amazing degree in order to shoehorn these concepts into a setting and story where they didn't make sense.

[[File:Carsinspace.jpg|thumb|Their wheels spin and everything.]]
In choosing to set most of its action in the void of space, ''Energon'' foolishly robbed the Transformers of any real reason to ''transform.'' They can all happily fly in robot mode (in space, on planets, anywhere), inviting the question of why transformation is necessary. But, to promote the fact that the toys transform, characters would routinely change to vehicle mode anyway, even in outer space. Cue innumerable scenes of cars, trucks, and snowmobiles ''driving through space.'' Characters would even transform to vehicle mode on the ground, and then ''drive away into the air''. Everyone could control their flight with no problem in either form, completely invalidating the need for any variety in [[alternate mode]]. Conversely, on occasions when it might actually make sense to transform to a speedy vehicle form for fast or long-distance travel, characters often choose to run to where they're going instead.

Whereas the English version of the series takes its name from the central plot element (the collection of Energon), the Japanese version, ''Super Link,'' takes its name from the main thematic concept/[[gimmick]]: Autobots [[powerlinx]]ing. The Japanese version of the show contained a lot of waffling about the symbolic nature of this ("Even when one heart is weak, together, we are strong!"). Unfortunately, the fact remains that, almost without exception, these combinations are used in straight firefights, where combining two soldiers into one means ''fewer guns to fire at the enemy.'' Further, the resulting combined soldier rarely shows any sign of enhanced firepower.

Further failing to advertise the combining gimmick are the "Maximus" combiner teams. For about 90% of their screen time, the three giants are seen in ''only'' their combined super robot modes, rarely splitting into individual vehicles. The central torso units are seen as individual robots for perhaps 5 seconds in the entire series, and the show doesn't even acknowledge that the limbs could ''be'' individuals.

===Production flaws===
====Art and animation====

[[File:Scorponok blacklines.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Rescale what now?]]
''Energon'', animated by [[Actas Inc.]] and [[Studio A-CAT]], introduced a new concept to Transformers cartoons: the blending of CGI with traditional hand-drawn animation. The animators rendered the Transformer characters in cel-shaded CGI, while animating humans and other aspects of the show through traditional means. On the plus side, this allowed for a consistently high level of hand-drawn animation quality (especially enjoyable after the often scattershot quality of ''Armada''). In particular, the show uses the CGI to show many characters in motion at once, often with a high frame rate that gives them a very fluid appearance (for example, the many charges of the [[Battle Ravage]] Terrorcon drones, replete with numerous stamping legs and bobbing heads and tails.)

On the other hand, the CGI animation is positively primitive. Characters possess no sense of weight and can not move in any manner but the most basic. Even ''walking'' is a challenge for characters with bulky models, like Ironhide, who is often reduced to swinging his arms and legs back and forth while sliding along a predetermined path. The black-line outlines of character models were often not rescaled for different shots, resulting in the characters sometimes appearing as indecipherable masses of heavy black lines.

[[File:GuessIronhidesEmotion.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|The above images feature: A horrified Ironhide witnessing Demolishor's death; a surprised Ironhide asking a question; a determined Ironhide charging into battle; and a fighting-mad Ironhide striking a decisive blow. Can you figure out which is which?]]
[[File:Energon InfernoImprisoned torture.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.85|Are you @&#%$ kidding me?!]]

Additionally, "emotion" is nonexistent; the blank-faced CGI models could not easily display any [[Dull surprise|facial expressions beyond "mouth open" and "mouth closed."]] Numerous characters don't ''have'' facial animation, even ones with mouths. Most prominent among these is Alpha Q, who has ''no facial animation at all'' despite the fact that he's basically nothing but four faces. In some cases, when it was necessary for a character to emote visibly (Megatron's pronounced yawning, Inferno's [[Imprisoned Inferno|tortured screaming]]), or to do something visually dynamic ([[Jungle Planet (episode)|acrobatic transformation]]), the CGI would actually be ''replaced'' with hand-drawn animation, because it just ''looked more impressive''. Does that seem ''right'' to you?

In addition, the show's CGI compares very poorly with ''Beast Wars'' and ''Beast Machines,'' both of which came out ''years'' previously, both of which were ''fully'' CGI (without the crutch of hand-drawn animation to fall back on), and both of which had characters who boasted complex, nuanced facial expressions and fluid, constant body language — even [[Diagnostic Drone|the ones with utterly inhuman faces and bodies]]. The only way to spare the animators' reputation is to assume that Energon's budget was miniscule in comparison—and, to be scrupulously fair, ''Beast Wars'' was one of the most expensive animated television programs ever made at the time.

Even within the limits of the animation, many bad editing, design, and lighting choices make the series difficult to follow visually. Unicron's body — primarily black, to match his ''Energon'' redeco toy — is frequently lost against the blackness of space. When Alpha Q energizes Unicron's head, it becomes the [[Energon Orb]], with no visual indication as to what it used to be. Scenes set underground or within Unicron's body are commonly underlit, to the point that the characters can't even be distinguished. Strange elements such as the [[Rift|rift in space]] are inconsistently animated and described by the characters, making it difficult to figure out what they are.

====Editing====
[[File:E3 titlecard.jpg|thumb|left|Anyone who's got a spare "o" and is in need of an "i"?]]
At times, ''Energon'' tends to flow like a single feature-length film... a film that has been mercilessly chopped up into 22 minute segments. Thus, confusing, unclear elements like the [[Rift|rift in space]] and [[Unicron]]'s dark, partially re-energized body are routinely shown in closeup without any introductory establishing shots, making it extraordinarily unclear what's happening or where for the viewer who's just watching one particular episode by itself. To be a ''little'' bit fairer, this "chopped-up film" sensation is not exactly uncommon in Japanese animated series with a defined length, but ''Energon'' is a good example of the method at its very worst.

[[File:Improsonedinferno.jpg|thumb|Yeah, why?]]
The show's scene editing also tends to be very abrupt and choppy. Battle animation in particular routinely cuts between numerous, very short scenes, showing several simultaneous but unrelated events as if the viewer must be kept up to date on ''all'' of them in real time. This makes it difficult to grasp the significance of ''any'' of the events shown. When boiled down, this editing style often serves to mask the fact that not much is actually happening.

To make things worse for the credibility of the editors, "[[Scorpinok (episode)|Scorpinok]]", "[[A Tale of Two Heros]]", "[[Imprisoned Inferno|Improsoned Inferno]]", and "[[Decepticon Army|Deception Army]]" all have blatant spelling errors '''''in the titles!''''' Making it more annoying is that only the latter two of those four were corrected for the DVD release.
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====Music====
This is maybe the only good part of Energon... because the soundtracks for both versions are outstanding. The music created uses a combination of orchestral and synthesized sounds, and has pieces that can be used in any situation. Sadly one of the issues in Energon is the use of music that does not fit the tone of the scene; in "[[Imprisoned Inferno]]", the episode ends with triumphant music despite being a very somber event.

====Scripting and dubbing====
[[File:E1 titlecard.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Why do we always come here<br>I guess we'll never know<br>It's like a kind of torture<br>to have to watch the show!'']]
The original Japanese version of the show is, in short, sluggish and confusing... but at least the conversations make sense. Even that got lost when the show was ported for North American consumption.

The dub of ''Energon'' seems even ''more'' rushed than ''Armada,'' which was already known for being so hurried that dubbers were working with unfinished animation, got names wrong, and had moments of dialogue that didn't jibe with the action. ''Energon'' [[Battle of the Asteroid Belt|generally]] got completed animation, and ''usually'' got names right—but [[Misha Miramond|Misha]] gets three different names during the course of the show, and [[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]] and [[Cliffjumper (Energon)|Cliffjumper]] are constantly confused.

The rushed dub script is full of mistranslations. Though some elements obviously needed to be altered to suit a Western audience, it seems that many portions of the dub were never checked to see if they made logical sense. As a result, the script is stilted, perfunctory, and repetitive, constantly throwing in cliche, time-killing phrases like "We've gotta [repeat the plot which everyone already knows]", "Let's do it!", and "It's time to [perform some action that's already blatantly obvious]". There is arbitrary new dialogue (that seems to exist purely due to writers' carelessness) which ''does not match what is occurring onscreen''. The final result is a show with some bizarre non-sequiturs and more than a few moments of ''genuine nonsense.''

To cite just one example: at the start of "[[Team Optimus Prime]]", Dr. Jones says, in a frustrated tone, "I ''can't'' get back the energon I sent to Kicker. That's ''impossible!''" The entire notion of "getting it back" is absurd on the surface, akin to trying to get back water that went down a drain; saying that not getting it back is ''impossible'' is even more ridiculous; and further, the original dialog is a passive lament, more along the lines of "It's not like that energon I sent is ever coming back." Similar examples exist in nearly every single episode of the show.

Outside of these accidents, there are also some strange ''deliberate'' changes, chief among them the tendency for [[Primus]] to be intermittently ignored. In one episode, Primus would be dubbed accurately, talking with other characters normally, while in the next, he would be deliberately edited out, with his lines erased or given to other characters, and references to him replaced with "the core". Other odd instances include Terrorcon drones having spoken lines randomly inserted in some scenes, never attributed to any one Terrorcon; a strange tendency for various characters to exclaim that "[[Unicron]] is coming to life!" every time Unicron's body is manipulated by other characters; and a steadfast refusal to acknowledge the deaths of any characters.

Given all of this, the quality of voice acting frequently suffers throughout the show. This can be a common result of the antiseptic ADR (Additional Dialogue Recording) environment, where actors perform solo, with no one to play off. But ''Energon'' is particularly bad in this regard. Lead talents such as [[Garry Chalk]] and [[David Kaye]] still turn in strong performances, but actors for many of the secondary characters clearly struggle to make something of the material they're given, often sounding flat and uninspired, or just confused. There are many times when ''all'' the actors clearly have no idea what their lines mean in the greater scheme of things, nor any idea of what they're really talking about; the Dr. Jones quote cited above is also an example of this problem.

There's also a pronounced amount of "filling dead air," with characters talking from offscreen simply to make noise where there was none originally. Take a drink every time someone goes "Uhh?" to break the silence, and you'll be hammered by the first commercial break.

{{bigquote|I really wish they would put this terrible series out on DVD. Not because I really want to watch it again, but because it would fill that unsightly gap between Armada and Cybertron with unsightly content.|The nicest words ever spoken about the Energon cartoon, [http://tinyurl.com/5tuucc "Gustavo!", August 2008]}}

==Home video releases==
===''Super Link''===
[[File:Tf superlink vol 01.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Is this one better than the American version? Absolutely. ]]
{{main|Interchannel}}

The ''Super Link'' version of ''Energon'' was released on DVD by Interchannel in [[Japan]] while the series was still on air.

*''Transformer: Super Link'' — Volume 001 (2004)
*''Transformer: Super Link'' — Volume 002 (2004)
*''Transformer: Super Link'' — Volume 003 (2004)
*''Transformer: Super Link'' — Volume 004 (2004)
*''Transformer: Super Link'' — Volume 005 (2004)
*''Transformer: Super Link'' — Volume 006 (2004)
*''Transformer: Super Link'' — Volume 007 (2004)
*''Transformer: Super Link'' — Volume 008 (2004)
*''Transformer: Super Link'' — Volume 009 (2005)
*''Transformer: Super Link'' — Volume 010 (2005)
*''Transformer: Super Link'' — Volume 011 (2005)
*''Transformer: Super Link'' — Volume 012 ([[April 20]] 2005)
*''Transformer: Super Link'' — Volume 013 (2005)

{{main|Geneon Universal Entertainment}}
Geneon Universal Entertainment will release the entire episodes in one set, with corrected & enhanced animation.
*''Transformer: Super Link'' DVD Set (2016)
{{-}}

===''Energon''===
[[File:Energon Ultimate Collection DVD.jpg|thumb|100px]]
{{main|Paramount Pictures}}
When Paramount Home Entertainment released a handful of ''Energon'' collections on VHS and DVD in 2004 and 2005, several episodes were re-dubbed to fix numerous mistakes that occurred in the episodes that were broadcast, as well as throwing in some new dialogue.
*''Transformers: Energon—Volume 1: The Battle for Energon'' ([[June 27]], 2004)
*''Transformers: Energon—Volume 2: The Return of Megatron'' (2004)
*''Transformers: Energon—Volume 3: Shockblast Unleashed'' (2005)
*''Transformers: Energon—Volume 4: Omega Supreme'' (2005)
*''Transformers: Energon—The Ultimate Collection'' (2008)
{{-}}
{{main|Shout! Factory}}
Shout! Factory released the complete series on a seven-disc DVD set in 2014.
*''Transformers Energon'': The Complete Series (2014)
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==Footnotes==
<references />

==External links==
*[http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%88%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%83%95%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC_%E3%82%B9%E3%83%BC%E3%83%91%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AA%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AF ''Transformers: Super Link'' at the Japanese Wikipedia]

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