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Stronger, Faster

2012-04-24T21:48:40Z

Oberoniss: /* Animation and technical errors */

{{episode|
|otherseries=''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' ep 22
|prev=T.M.I.
|next=One Shall Fall
|image=StrongerFaster-peekaboo.jpg
|caption=More alive.
|title="Stronger, Faster"
|airdate=[[August 14]], [[2011]]
|written by=[[Mairghread Scott]]
|directed by=[[Shaunt Nigoghossian]]
|animation studio=[[Polygon Pictures]]
|production company=[[Hasbro Studios]]
}}

'''Ratchet 'finalizes' the synthetic energon formula and uses himself as a test subject, but it ends up having some negative side effects.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] checks out a sample of [[Synthetic Energon|synthetic energon]] he's created, watched by [[Raf Esquivel|Raf]]. Approving the stability of the energon, Ratchet tries it on a test engine, and it works fine. Raf's keen to try it on [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]], but Ratchet says it'll require more testing first. Meanwhile, the base sensors pick up [[energon]] movement, but before [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] gives the order to roll out, Ratchet warns him about the depleted state of their energon reserves. Once Prime's team departs, Ratchet has the idea to try the synthetic energon on himself. The injection causes him to lose consciousness, and Raf rouses him from lying on the floor shortly afterward. The synthetic energon appears to be a success, giving him more fuel efficiency and better motor functions.

[[Image:StrongerFaster-surrounded.jpg|left|thumb|300px|I need you to hurry up now, 'cause I can't wait much longer.]]

Meanwhile Prime's team chases [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] and [[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] through an icy canyon. The Decepticons aren't in any hurry to bridge out, as they're trying to "help" the [[Autobot]]s run out of energon. Some [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicon]]s flying overhead blast the sheer sides of canyon, causing a rock fall that blocks off the Autobots' path. [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] manages to drive over it in her motorcycle mode, despite Prime's warnings, and races after the two Decepticons, only to be hit by missiles from the Vehicons. She is swiftly surrounded by Decepticons, and things look grim until Ratchet comes flying through the GroundBridge and begins laying into them with gusto. Knock Out and Breakdown assume that the Ratchet's a new Autobot, but are forced to retreat as Optimus, [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] and Bumblebee come into view, firing at them. Ratchet finishes off the last of the Vehicons, to stunned looks from his teammates.

Back at base, Ratchet reveals his secret to the other Autobots, but Optimus doesn't think it's a good idea to test the synthetic energon on Autobots, and he underlines the importance of Ratchet's job as medic. Some time later, Ratchet's retelling his fight to Bulkhead, and in demonstrating a move, manages to throw his fellow Autobot through a nearby wall. The other Autobots are startled at his new personality. Ratchet goes and injects more of the synthetic energon into himself. When the sensors light up once more, Prime prepares to roll out again, but Ratchet volunteers to go along.

[[Image:StrongerFaster-crouchbehindrock.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Work it make it do it makes us.]]

As they head through a mountainous area, Ratchet moves ninja-style at the front of the team. They soon find some Vehicons and a [[Decepticon Miner|miner]] drilling into a rock face, and Ratchet immediately moves in. When the miner makes a run for it, Ratchet gives chase and knocks him down with a well-thrown rock. The other Autobots find Ratchet forcibly interrogating the miner with his blowtorch. Optimus stops him from finishing off the prisoner and begins to lecture him on doing harm where none is necessary, but Ratchet is agitated, believing they should be more proactive. As the argument heats up, Ratchet even manages to antagonize Arcee by bringing up [[Cliffjumper (Prime)|Cliffjumper]], and calls Prime out for his many missed opportunities to kill [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]]. Prime decides to confine Ratchet to base. Though Ratchet appears to go calmly through the GroundBridge, moments later, he charges back out, flattening Bulkhead and racing off. Prime's team returns to base, but is unable to get a fix on Ratchet's signal.

In a Decepticon energon mine, Breakdown is chatting with a miner when Ratchet walks into the cavern. Elsewhere, Megatron shouts at Knock Out for not finding a new energon source, but they're interrupted by Ratchet dropping Breakdown on the floor. Megatron scoffs at the newcomer, until a punch from Ratchet sends him flying. However, Megatron is made of sterner stuff, and he gives Ratchet a savage injury, telling Knock Out to take a sample of the resultant leaking fluids so they can find out how Ratchet got so amped up.

[[Image:StrongerFaster-KnockOutMegatronRatchet.jpg|left|thumb|300px|That that that that that don't kill me, can only make me stronger.]]

On the bright side, as the synthetic energon drains out, Ratchet is rendered visible to the sensors in the [[Autobot Outpost Omega One|Autobot base]], and Optimus, Arcee and Bulkhead use the GroundBridge to attack the mine.

Knock Out completes taking his sample and moves in to finish Ratchet off with his circular saw. When the sound of approaching fighting distracts the Decepticon, Ratchet takes the opportunity to fight back, resulting in Knock Out's saw getting stuck in the wall. Ratchet promptly grabs the synthetic energon sample and smashes it. Knock Out is outraged, but once more has to retreat as the other Autobots arrive.

Ratchet is hooked up to a drip back at base, and he apologizes for his behavior. Optimus points out the new supply of energon they got from the mine, and Ratchet promises to do more testing on the synthetic stuff before using it on Autobots again. Optimus is just thankful they destroyed Knock Out's sample, unaware of the fact that back at the mine, Knock Out has found a single drop of synthetic energon.
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==Featured characters==

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*[[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] (1)
*[[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] (4)
*[[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] (5)
*[[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] (6)
*[[Cliffjumper (Prime)|Cliffjumper]] (8) (flashback)
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*[[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]] (7)
*[[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] (9)
*[[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] (10)
*[[Decepticon Miner]] (11)
*[[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] (12)
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*[[Raf Esquivel]] (2)

}}

==Quotes==
"HOOAAH!"
:—'''Ratchet''' gets a new catchphrase. He needed that.

'''Ratchet:''' (''clicks as he walks by'') How's it hummin'?<br>
'''Arcee:''' ...Did he just?<br>
'''Bulkhead:''' Stronger, faster, studlier.
:—Yeah, he did.

"It's all right! I'm an emergency vehicle!"
:—'''Ratchet''', engaging the Decepticons.

'''Megatron:''' (''speaking to Knock Out'') That is your fearsome new adversary? (''Chuckles'') He's Optimus Prime's medic!<br>
'''Ratchet:''' (''speaking to Megatron'') Oh no, '''Megatron''', I am your doctor of doom!<br>

"Yeah, she's kinda domineering and the extra arms are weird, but... I find myself intrigued by her."
:—'''Breakdown''' chats to a Vehicon about his crush on [[Airachnid]].

==Notes==
===Animation and technical errors===
*After Arcee continues to chase down Knock Out and Breakdown, air-support arrives. However, when they shoot Arcee, Knock Out and Breakdown have vanished from in front of her. Furthermore, when the other Autobots finally climb over the rock pile to help Arcee, she is only a few yards from the pile, whereas she should be several miles away.
*Bumblebee is shown returning with the other Autobots despite staying at base to operate the GroundBridge.
*The sample of synthetic energon Knock Out was holding was only about half full, but when Ratchet picked it up, it was completely full.
*Just before destroying the cylinder of synthetic energon, Ratchet's wound is not shown to be leaking. Mere moments after he's hit the ground, another puddle of energon has formed beneath him.
*Breakdown is knocked out by Ratchet just before he engages Megatron. When the Autobots show up at the end, however, Breakdown has vanished and he isn't shown fleeing with Knock Out.
*You can see several instances during Ratchet's first fight with the Vehicons where his shoulder-pad-thingies cut into his backpack, chest and torso.

===Other errors===
*Ratchet jumps onto and leaps off of a tree branch which seems totally capable of supporting all the weight of an SUV landing on top of it with all that force, then leaping off. Not so much as a wood chip or crack to be seen - though it does creak audibly.
*When Ratchet first injects himself, he drops the glass cylinder and it shatters on the ground. Later, when Knockout collects a sample of the synthetic energon in a nearly identical cylinder, and Ratchet kicks it out of his hands, the cylinder flies ''across the entire room'' and lands without breaking. Then Ratchet throws it against a rock wall in the same room and it breaks instantly.
*When Arcee is hurt, she obviously couldn't move her leg, but when she walks through the GroundBridge she is magically healed.

===Continuity notes===
* The synthetic energon created in the episode is derived from the formula transcribed by Bulkhead in [[T.M.I.|the previous episode]].
* Ratchet's description of the Autobots having fought numerous battles recently is accompanied by flashbacks to various battles from the "[[Darkness Rising]]" five-part pilot among others, including "[[Operation: Breakdown]]" and "[[Partners]]".
* The engine Ratchet uses to test the synthetic energon is a larger version of the device Ratchet built for [[Jack Darby|Jack's]] science project in "[[Masters & Students]]". Thankfully, it doesn't flip out like Jack's did.
* Knock Out confuses Ratchet for a "new" Autobot. Which makes sense, since he hasn't encountered him before. Ratchet ''was'' with the other Autobots when they charged in to rescue Bulkhead from Starscream and Breakdown in "[[Operation: Breakdown]]", but it's entirely possible that Breakdown simply didn't see him, since he was focused on escaping and missing an eye at the time.

===Real-world references===
* Given that the plot centres on the idea of artificial enhancement, this episode's title is almost certainly a reference to the opening of the 1974 ''[[wikipedia:The Six Million Dollar Man|Six Million Dollar Man]]'' series, which promised a cybernetic secret agent who was "Better, stronger, faster."
** That said, there's also the possibility it could be a reference to the original [[Action Master]]s [[commercial/Generation 1#1990|commercial]], in which [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] described the new breed of Transformer as "Stronger, faster, more alive!"
** And we guess we wouldn't ''totally'' rule out the notion that it refers to ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' director/producer [[Wikipedia:George Lucas|George Lucas]]'s desire for his actors to be "Stronger, faster— more intense!", or Daft Punk's 2009 [[Wikipedia:Grammy|Grammy]] winning song ''Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger''.
* It's also the same plot as about a billion after-school specials on the dangers of drugs.
* Ratchet referred to himself as Megatron's "[[Doctor Doom|Doctor of Doom]]." This goes without saying.
* Ratchet dabbling with a green liquid 'enhancement' is reminiscent of his voice actor, [[Jeffrey Combs]] in ''Re-Animator''.

===Foreign localization===
'''German'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Gegen die Vorschrift'''" ("Against the Rules")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[February 17|17 February]] [[2012]]

'''Hungarian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Erősebb, gyorsabb'''" ("Stronger, Faster")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[February 7|7 February]] [[2012]]

'''Italian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Più forte, più veloce'''" ("Stronger, Faster")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[December 10|10 December]] [[2011]]

'''Korean'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Hapseong Eneojon'''" (합성 에너존, "Synthetic Energon")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[November 8|8 November]] [[2011]]

'''Polish'''
:*''Title:'' ?
:*''Original airdate:'' [[January 3|3 January]] [[2012]]

'''Brazilian'''
:*''Title:'' ?
:*''Original airdate:'' [[April 2|2 April]] [[2012]]

===Trivia===
*The episode was first broadcast on Canada's Teletoon channel. It later first aired in the United States on [[September 17]], [[2011]].
*When Ratchet transforms to attack the Decepticon miners, his [[license plate]] reads "'''449·EPQ'''".
*This was the last stand-alone episode until "[[Loose Cannons]]" in Season 2. It was followed by a seven-part story arc, a two-parter, and massive delays between episode airings.

[[Category:Prime episodes]]

Talk:Optimus Prime (WFC)

2012-04-24T21:44:35Z

Oberoniss: /* Robot Heroes and Prime Together? */

This disambig tag fills me with glee. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 13:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Though why people find this funny confuses me. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:22, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::I just imagine [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] saying it, it. Or would that be Optimus Prime (Prime), (Prime)? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:34, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

I guess the archivist thing is from Exodus? 'cause in the WfC game he instead mentions having been a dock worker.[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 14:44, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::When did he mention that? I honestly don't remember him saying that, but my memory is not exactly something to go on. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:06, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::It's during the in-game banter, I'd say during the second autobot chapter but could be the third. If memory serves, a teammate voices his approval of Optimus' taking matters in his own hands and acting like a leader and Optimus retorts as soon as the war's over he'll go back to working at the docks. [[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 03:47, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
: Yay, more inconsistencies! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:46, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::And I thought nothing could be more inconsistent with established continuity than AHM. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:49, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::And is it 100 percent certain the Optimus in WFC and the one in Prime will be the same guy, cause I've been tracking the news, and beyond a lot of speculation and vague suggestion, nothing seems confirmed [[Special:Contributions/148.197.8.240|148.197.8.240]] 00.01 30 Jube 2010
::::Everyone at Hasbro sure seems to think so. ''Exodus'', which is written apparently from the ''Prime'' show backstory, includes the events of WFC loosely within its second half. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:11, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::Even if they're not in the exact same universe, they're certainly in the same continuity family, so they'd get the same page. Just as Sunbow Prime and IDW Prime are both on the G1 page.[[User:Kaje|Kaje]] 19:31, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::And there are others. Well, I haven't read Exodus but based on the summary on this wiki it's more like two different stories that reach the same end point. For one, in WfC Optimus doesn't become a Prime at the beginning of the war, but after Zeta's death, mere days before the evacuation. And the Matrix is introduced in a completely different way, possibly doesnt even ''exist'' until the end of chapter 8. [[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 08:29, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Exodus tries to have it both ways. Once you get to the end of the book and Sentinel dies, Optimus gets the Matrix then, and Alpha Trion notes that Prime wasn't truly a Prime until this moment, regardless of what the council said. So he was dubbed a Prime by the council at the beginning, but it wasn't really true until just before they left Earth. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:34, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I guess it's an honorable fix, yet still doesn't mesh, mind you. In the game it's mentioned Optimus first refused to be a Prime, which is why he doesn't have the title (whether or not this landed Zeta the job is unclear since the way they word it at times I may almost think they could have several Primes at once) and the Matrix is unrelated to the Council and the Prime title they bestow.[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 08:42, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::Why don't we just change the opening to "The young bot who would become Optimus Prime" rather than have it at Optimus or Orion Pax, and wait until Prime premiers and see if it ever goes with one or the other?

In the game, it's Optimus, not Orion Pax. Does the book override the game, or vice versa?
-ThiAthEhn
: The events of the game happen within the last half of the novel, after Optimus has stopped being Orion Pax. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:52, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::The tricky bit is still that the game starts before he decides to become Optimus Prime, ie in the novel he goes from Orion Pax to Optimus Prime, while in the game he goes from Optimus to Optimus Prime.[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 12:52, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, the article's current bio doesn't take into account the WFC game at all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:59, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Hmm. The game does have a scene where Megatron and Optimus talk about something that happened between them before the game started. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:19, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

== So, do we have to move WFC stuff I've written to new character articles? ==

Argh. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:48, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:Just like I predicted, yes. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 14:00, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::I'm too tired to clean this giant mess right now. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:01, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Profile Should Be Rewritten ==

The Character profile here right now is all Exodus stuff. But almost all of it is stuff that is totally different in WfC. The Character profiles are supposed to be generic and fit all version of the character. I think this one needs to be moved to the Exodus sub-section and a new more general Prime (Prime) (that's fun) profile written, Yes?--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:57, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:I agree, it's a bit too specific about the Exodus stuff considering what a big deal WFC is as a form of Prime media. I believe the reason it totally lacks WFC stuff is because Walky wrote it and apparently hasn't played WFC yet. Well, I presume on the last, anyway. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:55, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::I guess nobody cares then. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:57, 4 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I care, and I think it does need to be rewritten but I think that'll be a LOT easier to do once Prime is on TV and we have more to work with. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 07:23, 11 August 2010 (EDT)
:Exodus appears to be the official backstory of the Prime continuity, judging by the [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fd5ecd9-19b9-f369-1041-a7635be83172 official timeline]. For all the marketing hype about how WFC was totally in-continuity and everything, it appears the video game is, as video games usually are, a [[micro-continuity]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:44, 11 August 2010 (EDT)

== G1==

So Exodus is based off the prime cartoon but war for cybertron is a prequel to g1.And if you disagree hasbro themselves sayed that. {{unsigned|98.204.17.1|14:54, July 5, 2010 (EDT)}}
:Yes, it is, no it isn't, no they haven't, sign your posts, Do The Research. Thank you for your time. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:41, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
::I wouldn't jump to conclusions right now. Videogames based on franchises tend to get retconned, like what happened to the Ultimate Spider-Man video game. Also, the show has been described as a mix of Animated and Live-Action films, which the game doesn't really reflect. If we are going to reclassify characters we should use something like "Optimus Prime (WFC)" until everything gets really confirmed.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 22:19, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
THANK YOU someone gets it. "unregistered" 11:35, 6 July 2010 (EDT){{unsigned|98.204.17.1}}

For Primus' sake, it was confirmed at Comic-Con that Prime follows on from WFC. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 16:33, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

== Toy ==

The fig looks awesome with [[Octane#Universe_.282008.29|Tankor]]'s guns on his forearms! [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 14:33, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
:And this is relevant how? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:26, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

== Move ==

So yeah, I've been suggesting this for a while, and this goes for all WFC (including ''Exodus'') articles, which we're really treating as a separate franchise now we've gone with Aligned as the continuity family's name for now. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 05:02, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I disagree with moving this article, because WFC isn't really a separate franchise. It's some tie-in games that Hasbro licensed to launch their new continuity with. The related toys didn't even have their own logo, they were released as "Generations". --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:17, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:Moving it just sort of feels "wrong" to me in a way I can't properly articulate. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:58, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I disagree with moving any of these articles, for the reasons articulated by abates. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:01, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:No. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 08:09, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I don't even consider War for Cybertron to be a franchise, so no. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 08:44, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:No chance in Hades. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:49, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::Right now I can see two distinct reasons beyond "no" (this isn't a poll actually). One, WFC is no less a franchise than Power Core Combiners, and it was a game accompanied by a novel, a comic and toys. At one point ''Prime'' toys were going to be released as Generations, but it's still a Transformers franchise. Afterall, [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] was released as part of the unsubtitled range last year, but he's still a G1 character.
::Chris, I know how you feel about moving it to (WFC) as ''Prime'' is where we're really getting to know these characters, that's why we have the ''Prime'' designs as the main images. If you are for uniformity, perhaps it is time to move [[Optimus Prime (Movie)]] to "Optimus Prime (LVF)", and this to "Optimus Prime (Aligned)"?
::Regardless, I will be adding WFC Autobots and Decepticons cats to these pages. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 09:45, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::Remember "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds", or in more wiki-related terms "[[Help:Ignore all standards|in situations where the standards intended to prevent confusion would instead contribute to it, common sense should rule.]]" That's why all the Shattered Glass characters are at (SG) even though some of them are technically (Timelines).--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:12, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::"[[Optimus Prime (Prime)]]" debuted before "''Prime''" even existed. He predates ''Prime''. So I don't like "Optimus Prime (Prime)." Categorizing Aligned things by franchise might be obsolete. The toyline is no longer organized by franchise. I think "Optimus Prime (Aligned)" is the way to go. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:36, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::I lean towards Optimus Prime (Aligned) myself because it's Right, though I also think there's a good argument for keeping it Prime (Prime) because its Simpler for Users. So...?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 12:45, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::No one outside the wiki will know what "aligned" means, and we don't disambiguate by continuity family anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 13:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::I didn't realize this conversation existed, so I started [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#"(WFC)" instead of "(Prime)" for characters that originated in this franchise?|another one on the same topic over here]] and covered basically everything people have brought up. For the record, I agree entirely with what Alientraveller has said. "(WFC)" for most of these guys, "(Prime)" for the ones that originated in the cartoon, and "(Aligned)" for none of them because we disambig by franchise, not family. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:06, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::I feel if we're going to talk about moving a bunch of high-profile characters, it should probably be discussed somewhere more central like the community portal. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:43, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I believe we should keep O.P. (Prime) seperate from his WFC page. In my opinion, they are different enough to warrent seperation.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 10:34, 2 March 2011 (EST)
: That is absolutely not going to happen. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:32, 2 March 2011 (EST)
:Yeah, because nobody is allowed to change in personality over the course of '''untold millions of years'''. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:45, 2 March 2011 (EST)
::He's not talking about the personality. At least, I hope not, since they're both Stock Movie Peter Cullen Prime. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:32, 2 March 2011 (EST)
:::Well, my point about change still stands just as well in regards to appearance as it does in regards to personality. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:36, 2 March 2011 (EST)
::::Yeah, just run down the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] page and look at all the 30 million bodies he went through. Prime (Prime) just has two. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:53, 2 March 2011 (EST)

: No no no no no no no no no no nononono fucking NO. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:20, 2 March 2011 (EST)
: If Hasbro hadn't specifically said that WFC and Prime go together, you might have had a point. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:27, 2 March 2011 (EST)

I agree with Sipher.

Page is staying at (Prime) for now, as with all WFC characters who are in ''Prime'', per an agreement at the Community Portal to keep those characters at (Prime) to not confuse the normal readers. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:07, 5 March 2011 (EST)

== Animated? ==

"The instructions show the rifle being plugged in by its shorter peg, which causes it to resemble the Transformers Animated Voyager-class Optimus Prime...", how does it resemble him at all?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 16:18, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
:It's referring to the shape of the guns being similar. [[Special:Contributions/98.209.73.178|98.209.73.178]] 19:39, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
::And yet they aren't, at all. The note is removed. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:21, 25 March 2011 (EDT)

== Generations Prime stress marks ==

Should it be mentioned in the article that the panel his back wheels are attached to causes stress marks to the surrounding plastic around the hinges on the sides of his legs when the panel is flipped? I have the United and Darkside versions, and they both feature plastic hinge parts that are quite thick, meaning that the panel is tense, is difficult to flip over, and that the plastic tends to press hard onto his legs when flipped, resulting in some nasty stress marks. I'm just wondering whether anybody else has this problem. <strike>[[Special:Contributions/58.69.199.160|58.69.199.160]] 22:32, 10 November 2011 (EST)</strike> [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 21:45, 7 December 2011 (EST)

== Quick Question ==

Now that Optimus is a Decepticon, can anyone add a Decepticon insignia on the page?--[[Special:Contributions/69.19.14.39|69.19.14.39]] 17:01, 15 November 2011 (EST) P.S. I wonder if Optimus eventually will say "Tyranny is the right of all sentient beings.". The World will NEVER KNOW!
::No. That violates "Spoiler Rules." --[[User:Primo|Primo]] 23:25, 20 December 2011 (EST)
:::It has nothing to do with spoiler rules. We do not withhold information based on "spoilers". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:28, 20 December 2011 (EST)
:::: We certainly do in some cases, and in those rare cases when we do, it's at the very top of articles. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:33, 20 December 2011 (EST)

==HOF?==
Is this optimus a hall of famer?

==Transformation Instructions==
"Push down on his ''hood?''" He doesn't ''have'' a hood. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:53, 28 November 2011 (EST)

==Aligned?==
What evidence is there that Optimus Prime is the same guy as WFC/Prime Optimus, other than the off-the-cuff comment that Cybertron is uninhabitable? It's not like a deserted Cybertron is exclusive to the Aligned continuity family, after all. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 18:04, 18 December 2011 (EST)
: The cartoon goes to great lengths to suggest there's a larger Transformers universe that Rescue Bots is not allowed to interact with. If this cartoon were truly its own thing, with no connections to any concurrently-running television show, they wouldn't be going out of their way to bring up the war and then make up excuses for why these dudes don't get to be a part of it. That this is [[Optimus Prime (Prime)]]'s "secret second family" is the simplest answer to the question of why all this complexity for no reason.
: Plus, frankly, I bet anything Hasbro produces these days is from that Aligned bible. The only reason these guys have separate pages to begin with is that representatives at Toy Fair said these guys were from a universe with no Decepticons. Clearly, that's not the case. And if we were never told that, I would have bunched up these characters with the Prime universe.
: Remember, the Prime continuity family also includes War for Cybertron. Two out of three of Hasbro's new outlets for Transformers content (WFC, Prime cartoon) are in the Aligned continuity family. To think that the third, Rescue Bots, is not included in this group, even though the RB cartoon spends considerable time to make it possible for the three to coexist... is illogical. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:17, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:: Fair enough, but I think we should at least wait for some kind of official confirmation before doing anything too drastic. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 18:21, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::That might be a long wait. I mean, even if they stick a bit in Prime where someone walks in on Optimus having a secret phone call with Heatwave, a bunch of stuff needs to happen in Prime before they can get to that point. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:32, 18 December 2011 (EST)
::::Yeah, given how Prime is currently going, I am pretty damn sure that Rescue Bots takes place either before or during the first season. I don't think it could happen during at least the beginning of the second, or possibly beyond. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:37, 18 December 2011 (EST)
::::: Wild mass guessing time! I'd probably say it would take place during the three-year lull in Decepticon activity before Darkness Rising. This would also probably explain away the minor but equally niggling aspect of Prime's different truck mode. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 18:50, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::::: '''I don't think the visuals matter at all. Comparing WFC with Prime, for example, Hasbro feels that the visual style of any particular area within their Aligned universe can look however it wants, so long as it works for the story.''' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:58, 18 December 2011 (EST)
::::::: I know, I know, I just like to fanwank over minor details. :p [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 19:00, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:: Also, where in Aligned would RB take place? I mean, Prime seems to take place in contemporary times, whereas RB seems to be set at some time in the future... [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 18:23, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::RB takes place on an island which is specifically indicated as being a special place for experimental technology. That's another piece of evidence for RB sharing a universe with the Prime cartoon. If it didn't need to share a universe, they wouldn't have had to spend time talking about how this is a place different from everywhere else. They could have just set it in the future. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:26, 18 December 2011 (EST)
::::I think if it was in the TFP universe, Prime's priority would proooobably have any newcomer Autobots help with the war effort.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 19:01, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::::Although, at the same time, it's made clear that the Rescue Bots are not designed for fighting, and it's not like Prime to force people into the war effort. Plus, there's the fact that this may or may not take place during a time when there was no Decepticon activity anyways. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 19:18, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::::As Tom says. The war is brought up, but Optimus won't let them join. Why? Because they're the last known survivors of a rescue class of Transformer. Again, the show itself attempts frequently to explain why this RB show exists concurrently with the Prime cartoon while still making sense. It brings up all of the questions we would ask and answers them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:13, 18 December 2011 (EST)

But it said the only human that knew their secret was charlie burns it the first episode. what about Fowler? ([[Special:Contributions/184.56.19.73|184.56.19.73]] 19:43, 18 December 2011 (EST))
:If Optimus didn't tell Fowler about the Rescue Bots, he's gonna be really annoyed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:56, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:In the second episode, Optimus says, "I have found that the young of the species have been our most valuable allies." Clearly Charlie Burns was the only human to know about the Transformers... on that island. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:10, 18 December 2011 (EST)

I was going to say that this cartoon could also fit into the Movieverse.... except by the time Prime first starts his recorded broadcasts welcoming other Autobots to Earth, it's the end of Movie 1 and all of humankind already knows about TFs, meaning there's no need for secrecy for the Rescue guys. It would be very fun to merge Prime and RB, though I'm a bit concerned that that judgment might be being nudged forwards more by how much fun it is rather than how ironclad solid the evidence is. I don't think we are at our usual standard of evidence yet, but I also don't think we will ever get any more than what we've got now. The [[Galvatron II]] page includes the bio writeup for Universe Galvatron because he's potentially a toy of that character, with a disclaimer stating that he might not be as well. If these two Optimi are merged, I recommend taking the same tack: put in an intro note and/or italicize all the actions described from this medium. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:32, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:I say that let's all wait for a few more episodes to air. For example, if Bumblebee appears on the show and he justs happens to be able to talk, then it's confirmed to be an alternate universe or continuity from Transformers Prime. -- [[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 15:06, 19 December 2011 (EST)
:: His character model doesn't give him a mouth. Also, he has no voice actor. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:27, 19 December 2011 (EST)
:::But he still hasn't appeared yet so we can't know for sure. And his character model was concept art not final. Plus, what happens to all the human companions discarded in favor of the Burns?- [[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 18:26, 19 December 2011 (EST)
::It's already likely an alternate universe from Prime. The question is whether it fits into the Aligned continuity family, not the Prime continuity. I think it at least does the former. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:55, 19 December 2011 (EST)
:::I think the cartoon is pretty clearly intended to be in the same universe, with perhaps a few minor continuity hiccups. It is the toyline that appears to be in a slightly different universe from the cartoon so far. Cody is older, Charlie is younger, not a policeman, and not partnered with Chase, and the other characters have different partners. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:16, 19 December 2011 (EST)
::: Would it be too early to make a note of it on the [[Aligned timeline]] page? [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 19:18, 19 December 2011 (EST)
::: We only have some toys and 2 episodes For now. There are not enough proof to say that RB is part of Aligned Continuity or not. So can't we wait for further information? - [[User:Thunderweb|Thunderweb]] 06:49, 20 December 2011 (EST) (edited by [[User:Thunderweb|Thunderweb]] 07:08, 20 December 2011 (EST))
::::As I stated on the other talk page discussion, the burden of proof is on those who say it doesn't fit. Hasbro's said that all of their new properties going forward are working from the Aligned bible. Until something comes up that tells us this cartoon is strangely exempt from that edict, RB is by default in Aligned. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:28, 20 December 2011 (EST)
I just realized one thing that doesn't add up with this show and Prime. In Prime, the Earth's core is filled with Dark Energon/Unicron. In Rescue Bots, it's filled with lava/magma. Though, at the end of "One Shall Rise, Part 3" the Dark Energon in that volcano looked like turned (back?) into lava, so... what's the connection between Dark Energon and lava? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:51, 21 December 2011 (EST)
: Volcanic lava does not come from the Earth's core. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:57, 21 December 2011 (EST)
::Okay. Though, there's still the matter of one volcano spewing lava and another spewing Dark Energon if they're both linked to the same planetary core. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 12:16, 21 December 2011 (EST)
::: Volcanoes do not work that way. Good night. :p [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 12:18, 21 December 2011 (EST)
:::Lava obviously ''does exist'' in the Aligned universe. ''Prime'' even mentions other normal volcanic eruptions, like the one at the [[Kamchatka Peninsula]]. It's not a problem. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:20, 21 December 2011 (EST)
::::Thanks, Chris. I'm all for Rescue Bots being in Aligned. Just pointing out any things that need clearing up. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 12:27, 21 December 2011 (EST)
Something that makes me lean more towards it taking place before Prime season 1 would be Optimus Prime's altmode. In Prime, he is certainly a long-nosed truck. The Rescue Bots Optimus toy has him turn into a flat-nosed truck. If he ever eventually transforms in the Rescue Bots cartoon, here's hoping his altmode is one that doesn't interfere with the overall shape of his Prime altmode. Cuz, unless he's doing some spontaneous altmode switching, him turning into a flat-nosed truck would lean more towards Rescue Bots taking place before Prime, allowing Optimus to be two different kinds of trucks in both shows. But, if the show has him turn into a long-nosed truck, in spite of what toy turns into, then there's more leeway for the Rescue Bots cartoon to occur at either time (before or during Prime season 1). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:56, 31 December 2011 (EST)
:See the edit I bolded above. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:00, 31 December 2011 (EST)

== Robot Heroes and Prime Together? ==

Has hasbro ever said that Robot heroes and and Prime are in the same continuity and if so does that mean that the Prime cartoon and the Robot Heroes cartoon are in the same time line? Doesn't that kinda contradict each other? --[[User:Mojotron|Mojotron]]
: It's "Rescue Bots." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:15, 31 December 2011 (EST)
: 1)Same "continuity family" not necissarily same timeline (look up the difference if you don't know) and 2) No, not at all.
Crap. Don't know why I said why I said Robot Heroes. Has Hasbro ever said said they share the same continuity?
:See above. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:53, 31 December 2011 (EST)
Sure it could be in another timeline but what evidence do we have that they are in the '''SAME CONTINUITY?''' just 'cuz they both show on the Hub doesn't mean that they are the same continuity [[User:Jazzerprime]] 2:47, February 3 2011
::See above "Aligned" conversation. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 02:44, 3 February 2012 (EST)
: Kline said in a web-interview-thing that yes, they're in the same continuity, just to clear up who said it. ~[[User:Oberoniss]]

== Orion Pax, Part 1 ==

You forgot to update the article. Even though by the time you read this it might already be done. You forgot to add info on Orion Pax, Part 1 and on Rescue Bots. They both aired today. I know because I watched both of them.[[Special:Contributions/71.162.103.239|71.162.103.239]] 23:08, 18 February 2012 (EST)
:People will edit articles when they feel like it. We do not need your reminders. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:12, 18 February 2012 (EST)
::Rescue Bots is already covered too. Eesh. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:13, 18 February 2012 (EST)

Should we put a Decepticon insignia in the top right corner, seeing as "Orion" bore their insignia in "[[Orion Pax, Part 1]]"? What do you think?{{unsigned|68.147.45.66}}
:Seems logical. Silverbolt gets one because he was a member for like a half-hour in one episode. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:24, 18 February 2012 (EST)
::I was going to ask the same thing? But never mind. I just have to say that things can change fast sometimes. This is one of those times. [[Special:Contributions/71.162.103.239|71.162.103.239]] 23:27, 18 February 2012 (EST)

== Mergining the Rescue bots and Prime cartoonssection ==
Since Exiles and Exodus sections were merged to a single section named Alinged Novels, then i had an idea why not we merge the Prime and RB Cartoons section aswell?. just an idea [[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]] 23:21, 22 April 2012 (EDT) [[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]
: No. We don't know in which order events happen between the two series, even if we wanted to merge those sections. There's a huge difference between putting two consecutive novels from the same series in a section and two completely different cartoon shows in the same section. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:46, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

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