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Sky Reign

2026-03-19T15:41:28Z

Omegatron:

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:''Sky Reign is an [[Autobot]] [[Combiner]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:SkyReign boxart.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.5|Polyhex Mew Mew.]]

There are two things you need to know about '''Sky Reign'''. The first is that he's formed around [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]], who brings his animalistic strength and outsized ego to the potluck. Both of these attributes are evident in different ways for the Combiner - at his best Sky Reign is quite the talker, gloating and prodding his opponents with the stupendous powers and abilities of his components, and even at his most inarticulate he just can't quite zip it. Catch his bad side, though, and you'll see that he's equally as capable a brutal beast and vicious fighter.

The second thing is that his components never actually ''asked'' to end up like this. Whether it's the power of a god [[Sky Reign Chapter|given firsthand]] or [[All Hail Optimus Part 4: It's Beginning To And Back Again|stolen thrice-removed]], an [[Speed Masters|accidential trip to flux space]] or even [[#Prime Wars Trilogy marketing material|the banality of democracy]], the wishes of those he comprises aren't exactly the top of the agenda whenever Sky Reign enters the picture. Despite that, though, if the group that he consists of sticks together they're certainly more than capable of rising to the occasion.

It helps that his name is awesome.

The other four [[Autobot]]s (or Decepticons) that form his limbs are never quite consistent. They have been known to include:

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!''Combiner Wars'' / ''Earth Wars'' formation
!"''[[Groove (G1)#MayMayhemDeluxe|May Mayhem]]''" formation
!IDW formation
!''Unite Warriors'' formation
|-
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*Left arm
*Right arm
*Left leg
*Right leg
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*[[Hound (G1)|Hound]]
*[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]
*[[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]]
*[[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]]
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*Hound
*Wheeljack
*Trailbreaker
*[[Groove (G1)|Groove]]
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*[[Thundercracker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Thundercracker]]
*[[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]]
*[[Sunstreaker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Sunstreaker]]
*[[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]]
| valign="top"|
*Wheeljack
*Hound
*Trailbreaker
*[[Ratchet (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ratchet]]
|}

==Fiction==
===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' marketing material===
{{note|The Autobots that form this combiner aren't exactly a specific ''team'' in this microcontinuity. Despite this, their subgroup is [[#Notes|(mostly)]] consistently given as "Sky Reign", so we've taken the liberty of documenting their lives outside of forming this ferocious warrior here as well.}}

[[Wheeljack (G1)#Prime Wars Trilogy marketing material|Wheeljack]] was responsible for upgrading the young Orion Pax with increased strength and size, traits that would serve the future [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Prime Wars Trilogy marketing material|Optimus Prime]] well. At some point he also invented a near-impenetrable faceplate, which adorns his head to protect himself from explosive lab accidents. He subsequently joined the Autobots after graduating from [[Technoversity of Ultirex|Ultirex Technoversity]]. {{storylink|Source:Combiner Wars pack-in comic bios|Wheeljack's bio}}

Both Wheeljack and [[Hound (G1)#Prime Wars Trilogy marketing material|Hound]] were on the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] when it crash-landed on Earth,{{storylink|Source:Combiner Wars pack-in comic bios|Wheeljack's bio}}{{storylink|Source:Combiner Wars pack-in comic bios|Autobot Hound's bio}} and Optimus Prime subsequently commanded the latter to learn more about the planet they'd found themselves on - an experience that was captivating for the lead scout, leading him to consider Earth as his adopted homeworld. {{storylink|Source:Combiner Wars pack-in comic bios|Autobot Hound's bio}}

<s>Trailbreaker</s> <s>Trailcutter</s> ''[[Trailbreaker (G1)#Prime Wars Trilogy marketing material|Trailbreaker]]'', who had once changed his name to try and boost his confidence, was a point of particular concern for [[Rung (G1)#Prime Wars Trilogy marketing material|Rung]]. He noted that despite saving a great number of Autobots' lives thanks to the powerful forcefields he generated, being equipped with impressive [[magnawheels]], and his upbeat personality, the irreplaceable Autobot suffered from serious self-worth issues even with the trust and support of his teammates. Rung went so far as to consider this his only weakness. {{storylink|Source:Combiner Wars pack-in comic bios|Trailbreaker's bio}}

[[Smokescreen (G1)#Prime Wars Trilogy marketing material|Smokescreen]] was considered a critical, if underappreciated, Autobot due to his essential role in rescuing teammates from battles that were already lost. {{storylink|Source:Combiner Wars pack-in comic bios|Smokescreen's bio}}

Candidates for the combination that would come to be known as Sky Reign were chosen {{storylink|Source:Combiner Wars pack-in comic bios|Wheeljack's bio}}{{storylink|Source:Combiner Wars pack-in comic bios|Smokescreen's bio}} by other Autobots. {{storylink|Source:Combiner Wars pack-in comic bios|Trailbreaker's bio}} Wheeljack had previously helped rebuild the [[Aerialbot (G1)#Prime Wars Trilogy marketing material|Aerialbots]], and this expertise was a factor in his inclusion. {{storylink|Source:Combiner Wars pack-in comic bios|Wheeljack's bio}}

[[Sky Lynx (G1)#Prime Wars Trilogy marketing material|Sky Lynx]] had a reputation for bragging about his accomplishments as a warrior, but his mastery of combination was no exaggeration. Sky Reign proved to be a ferocious beast on the battlefield, {{storylink|Sky Lynx (G1)#Combiner Wars|Sky Lynx's bio}} serving the Autobot cause on Cybertron. {{storylink|Source:Combiner Wars pack-in comic bios|Wheeljack's bio}}{{storylink|Source:Combiner Wars pack-in comic bios|Autobot Hound's bio}}{{storylink|Source:Combiner Wars pack-in comic bios|Trailbreaker's bio}}{{storylink|Source:Combiner Wars pack-in comic bios|Smokescreen's bio}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
[[File:AHM-SkyReign.jpg|left|upright=1.25|thumb|]]
Sky Reign was created during a disastrous Autobot raid on [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]]'s [[Nemesis (G1)|underwater base]]. In a display of power, Galvatron used his planet-sized [[Enigma of Combination]] to force an Autobot and Decepticon team of [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]], [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]], [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]], and [[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]] into combining and sicced the newly formed Sky Reign on [[Superion (G1)|Superion]]. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 4: It's Beginning To And Back Again|It's Beginning To And Back Again}} With the aid of the [[Seeker clone]] combiners and [[Galvatronus (CW)#2005 IDW continuity|Galvatronus]], Sky Reign got the upper hand on Superion... but they were undone as Superion took control of the Earth-Enigma and disabled it, causing Sky Reign to separate. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 5: As Above...So Below|As Above...So Below}}

===''Unite Warriors''===
[[File:RuinationChapter2 SkyReignQuadMode.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|right|]]
The [[Disaster Relief Team]], made up of Sky Lynx, Wheeljack, Hound, Trailbreaker, and Ratchet, were granted the ability to combine into Sky Reign when [[Vector Sigma]] [[reformatting|reformatted]] their bodies so that they could rebuild and defend Cybertron. They formed the combiner to battle [[Grand Galvatron]] when he attacked Cybertron, with Sky Reign wielding Sky Lynx's beastly strength, Wheeljack's many and varied weapons, Hound's [[hologram]]s, Trailbreaker's [[force field]]s, and the ability to regenerate from damage using Ratchet's medical unit. {{storylink|Sky Reign Chapter}} While he held his own against Grand Galvatron, Sky Reign was caught unawares and separated into his components when [[Megaempress]] blasted him with her fusion railgun. [[Moonheart]] then amputated their combiner joints, rendering them unable to recombine. {{storylink|Megatronia Chapter}} Vector Sigma later restored the joints so that Sky Reign could participate in the great combiner battle with [[Unicron]]. Assuming his quadrupedal Beast Mode, Sky Reign attempted to carry [[Optimus Maximus (G1)|Optimus Maximus]] to Unicron, only to be blown out of the sky by the chaos-bringer's eye beams. {{storylink|Ruination Chapter, Part Two}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===

[[File:Sky Reign-Earth Wars.jpg|thumb]]
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==Toys==
===''Combiner Wars''===
[[File:CW-skyreign.jpg|upright=1.5|thumb|I've Turned Into a Chest, Meow!]]

*'''Sky Lynx''' (Voyager Class, 2016)
*'''Hound''' (Deluxe Class, 2016)
*'''Smokescreen''' (Deluxe Class, 2016)
:*'''Protectobot Groove''' (Deluxe Class, 2016)
*'''Trailbreaker''' (Deluxe Class, 2016)
*'''Wheeljack''' (Deluxe Class, 2016)
{{toydesigner|[[Marcelo Matere]] (packaging artist)}}

:''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Sky Reign is a combiner made up of four Deluxe Class figures ([[Hound (G1)/toys#Generations|Hound]], [[Smokescreen (G1)/toys#Generations|Smokescreen]], [[Trailbreaker (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Trailbreaker]], [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Wheeljack]]) as limbs, a Voyager Class figure ([[Sky Lynx (G1)#Generations|Sky Lynx]]) as the torso, all as part of the ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' subline. As with the other Combiners in the line, each Deluxe toy can become an arm or a leg, and comes with weapons that can become hands or feet.

:The Hasbro release of [[Groove (G1)#MayMayhemDeluxe|Deluxe Groove]] markets him as an additional limb of Sky Reign, replacing Smokescreen.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2016/Autobot/CWSkyReign/skyreign.htm More information on Sky Reign at TFU.info]''
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===''Unite Warriors''===
{{anchor|UWEX}}
[[File:TF-Unite-Warriors-UW-EX-Lynx-Master.jpg|upright=1.5|thumb|Designed to knock things off tables on a city-wide scale.]]
*'''Lynxmaster''' (giftset, [[October 29]], [[2016]])
**''ID number:'' '''UW-EX'''
**''Accessories'': Weapons/Combiner Extremities (3 normal for Hound, Wheeljack & Ratchet, 1 clawed for Trailbreaker's), 2 Axes, Knife-sword, Clamp weapon, two sword-rifles

:Takara's ''[[Transformers Unite Warriors|Unite Warriors]]'' iteration of ''Combiner Wars'' Sky Reign is sold in a gift set including all five Autobots (with [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Ratchet]] replacing Smokescreen). "Lynxmaster" has numerous changes in deco to better match their component's appearances in the Generation 1 cartoon.

:Lynxmaster was released as a [[TakaraTomy Mall]] exclusive, with the preorders open Thursday afternoon [[June 9]] until Thursday [[June 30]]. It shipped in late October.

==Notes==
*The infobox from the extended bio on the back of the comic book included with the Deluxe Class Trailbreaker figure in the United States, Australia, New Zealand, and Asia states his group affiliation as "'''Lynx King'''", presumably an early working name. By contrast, the infoboxes from the comics included with the Deluxe Smokescreen, Wheeljack, and Hound figures correctly state the affiliation as "Sky Reign".
*Early sample packaging photography for the Legends Class [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Generations|Wreck-Gar]] figure pointed him out as part of this set, but, since there's no way to actually combine him with Sky Reign, the final product does not mention this.
*When Sky Reign appeared in the IDW comics, only the torso from the actual Hasbro toy could be used: Wheeljack was on Cybertron, Hound and Smokescreen were on the ''[[Lost Light]]'', and poor [[Trailbreaker (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|Trailbreaker]] was dead! Additionally, most characters in the IDW configuration don't have compatible toys. Sunstreaker is the only member of this crew with a compatible Deluxe-sized figure.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Lynxmaster''' (リンクスマスター ''Rinkusumasutā'')

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Nick Roche

2026-03-01T22:39:10Z

Omegatron:

{{disambig3|Nicholas|Nick/Nicholas}}
[[File:Nick Roche 2012 LSCC.JPG|thumb|upright=1.4|Trousers lie shattered in the background.]]
'''Nick Roche''' (born [[September 5]], [[1979]] <ref>[http://nickroche.blogspot.com/2008/09/twenty-nine-club.html "The Twenty-Nine Club"]</ref>) is an Irish comic book artist and writer for [[IDW Publishing]]. He is '''awesome'''.

Nick Roche is a native of County Wexford, but currently resides in Dublin, Ireland. Having always been a massive Transformers fan, Roche's produced artwork for fan fiction, including the [[Transmasters UK|Transmasters UK (TMUK)]] group, and UK convention publications, gaining a healthy fanbase within the UK, but remaining almost entirely unknown outside of the tight-knit UK fandom.

He pitched his work to [[Dreamwave Productions]] but had no response, something he's glad about in hindsight; he notes "at the time, I'd have worked for free but it turns out everyone else at Dreamwave was doing that anyway".<ref name="Moonbase Two">[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIkqheta3GE Nick Roche interview with Moonbase Two]</ref> Nick finally got his break into Transformers when IDW Publishing acquired the Transformers license. A friend of Nick's by the name of Dave Hendrick sent IDW supremo [[Chris Ryall]] Nick's samples.

Twenty minutes later there was an email back from Chris.

Nick started on the "Chrischarger" art before being given ''Spotlight''s, then ''more'' ''Spotlight''s (and a ''[[The Transformers: Devastation|Devastation]]'' fill-in) before being given the ''[[The Transformers: Maximum Dinobots|Maximum Dinobots]]'' mini-series. He's also penciled numerous covers for the different Transformers series, including a piece for the ''[[The Transformers: Target: 2006|Target 2006]]'' reprints featuring the original team of [[Wreckers]], the covers for the [[Metrodome]] DVD sets of ''[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (cartoon)|Super-God Masterforce]]'' and ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (cartoon)|Victory]]'', and a special comic and a piece of artwork packed with [[Madman Entertainment]]'s ''Generation 1'' DVD set. Nick has also worked on the new Transformers UK comic book ([[Transformers Comic issue 2|issue 2]]) and the ''[[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles]]'' comic for [[Titan Books|Titan]].

If that wasn't enough, Nick drew ''and'' wrote ''[[Spotlight: Kup]]'', which also has the distinction of being the first issue in the [[2005 IDW continuity|IDW G1 continuity]] written by someone other than [[Simon Furman]]. He co-wrote and drew the incredibly well-received ''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers|Last Stand of the Wreckers]]'' with [[James Roberts]]. He's even made the jump to TV, becoming a character designer for ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)|Transformers: EarthSpark]]''. And he also writes panto!<ref name="Moonbase Two" />

{{quote|Look: you can't comprehend the scale of trouser destruction that will occur. The current financial crisis? Pffah! There will be people wandering around this Christmas with next to no trouser coverage. And as for the potentially countless children who will lose their sight and sense of decency from flying pant-shards...well, it doesn't bear thinking about. No gusset is safe this Christmas.|Nick on the imminent release of ''Maximum Dinobots'' #1<ref>http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=106763#106763</ref>}}

==Writing==
Nick's writing often tackles or addresses the concept of change within Cybertronians, both as a shapeshifting race and a culture left in stasis by millennia of war. Many of his stories have unflinching and graphic robotic violence—dismemberment, decapitation, bodily mutilation, and copious amounts of blood, among other things. Like Roberts, he also has a tendency to use characters with little or no previous media appearances—''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' featured a cast almost entirely composed of European toy-exclusives and obscure Japanese characters, while ''Sins of the Wreckers'' introduced many characters from the Beast Era as antagonists. Also, he put [[Tidal Wave (G1)|Tidal Wave]] into the IDWverse, because that's just how cool he is.

*''[[The Transformers: Spotlight]]''
**''[[Spotlight: Kup]]''
**''[[Spotlight: Megatron]]''
*''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron]]'': #15 story 1: "[[Everything in Its Right Place]]"
*''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers]]'' (co-written with James Roberts)
**''[[Escape (G1)|Escape]]''
**''[[In Word and Deed]]''
*''[[The Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers]]''
*''[[Nothing Will Ever Be the Same Again!|The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye: Revolution]]'' (co-written with James Roberts)
*''[[Transformers: Requiem of the Wreckers]]''
*''[[Transformers: Last Bot Standing]]''

==Comic book art==
Roche's art style is instantly recognizable in a comic due to his strong shapes, exaggerated proportions and bold, simple character designs. According to him, he just "makes the hands bigger and the pointy bits pointier", and he would like to draw with "[[Geoff Senior|Senior's]] energy, [[Andrew Wildman|Wildman's]] expressiveness and [[Derek Yaniger|Yaniger's]] chins!". According to Roche, he finds he does change his art style automatically depending on the story; such as upping the cartooniness for "Spotlight: Hot Rod" and toning it down for a story from [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl's]] point of view.<ref name="Moonbase Two" />

[[File:FerreroRocher.jpg|158px|thumb|A lesser-known variation on the spelling of Nick's name.]]

===IDW Publishing===
*''[[The Transformers: Spotlight]]''
**''[[Spotlight: Shockwave]]''
**''[[Spotlight: Hot Rod]]''
**''[[Spotlight: Kup]]''
**''[[Spotlight: Hardhead]]''
**''[[Spotlight: Megatron]]''
*''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook]]'': #1 ([[Apache]], [[Autocrusher|Autocrasher]], [[BB (BW)|BB]], [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], [[Break]], [[Big Convoy]]), #2 ([[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], [[Guiledart]], [[Heinrad (BW)|Heinrad]], [[Injector (BW)|Injector]], [[Lio Convoy]], [[Lio Junior]], [[Mach Kick]], [[Moon (BW)|Moon]])
*''[[The Transformers: Devastation]]'': #3
*''[[The Transformers: Maximum Dinobots]]'' (all 5 issues)
*''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron]]'': #15 story 1: "[[Everything in Its Right Place]]"
*''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers]]'' (all 5 issues (#3, #4 with [[Guido Guidi]]))
**''[[Dead Men's Boots]]''
**''[[Escape (G1)|Escape]]''
**''[[In Word and Deed]]''
*''[[The Transformers (IDW)|The Transformers]]'': #13
*''[[Infestation (IDW)|The Transformers: Infestation]]'' (both issues)
*''[[Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime]]''
*''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye]]'': #1, #6, #24
*''[[The Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers]]'' (all 5 issues)
*''[[Nothing Will Ever Be the Same Again!|The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye: Revolution]]'' (Icon art)
*''[[Transformers: Requiem of the Wreckers]]'' (with [[Geoff Senior]] and [[Brendan Cahill]])
*''[[Transformers: Last Bot Standing]]'' (with [[E. J. Su]])

===Madman Entertainment===
*''Transformers Generation 1'' Complete Collection DVD set ([[The Transformers (Madman)|pack-in comic book]] and [[Matrix of Leadership]] chamber artwork with [[Don Figueroa]] and [[Josh Burcham]])

===Titan Books===
*[[Transformers Comic issue 2|Titan ''Transformers'' comic #2]]
{{creatorstub}}

===TakaraTomy===
*''[[Generations Selects Special Comic]]'' "[[Generations Selects Special Comic Finale|Finale]]" (guest artist)

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==Character design==
===''EarthSpark''===
{{collist|3|
* [[Arcee (ES)|Arcee]]
* [[Bombshell (ES)|Bombshell]]
* [[Breakdown (ES)|Breakdown]] (Robot Mode only)<ref name ="ES2"/>
* [[Bumblebee (ES)|Bumblebee]]
* [[Elita-1 (ES)|Elita-1]]
* [[Grimlock (ES)|Grimlock]] (Robot Mode only)<ref name = "ES2">{{citesocial|quote=So, as far as I remember... Out of the new ones, I worked on the Bot mode for Breakdown, Bot mode for Grimlock... took passes at Nightshade and Dino Grim, but didn't make it (They're mostly Ciro's?) but Shockwave, Hashtag and Tarantulas started as my 2D designs!|link=https://twitter.com/NickRoche/status/1631974068445388803|site=Twitter|name=Nick Roche|year=2023|month=03|day=4}}</ref>
* [[Hashtag (ES)|Hashtag]]<ref name ="ES2"/>
*[[Liege Maximo]]<ref>{{citesocial|quote=IT ME|link=https://bsky.app/profile/nickroche.bsky.social/post/3maoucmwxxc2w|name=Nick Roche|site=Bluesky|year=2025|month=12|day=23}}</ref>
* [[Megatron (ES)|Megatron]]
* Seekers ([[Nova Storm (ES)|Nova Storm]], [[Skywarp (ES)|Skywarp]])
* [[Shockwave (ES)|Shockwave]]<ref name ="ES2"/>
* [[Soundwave (ES)|Soundwave]]
* [[Skullcruncher (ES)|Skullcruncher]]
* [[Tarantulas (ES)|Tarantulas]]<ref name ="ES2"/>
* [[Thrash (ES)|Thrash Malto]]
* [[Wheeljack (ES)|Wheeljack]]
}}

==Toy design==
Nick Roche was contracted to draw the initial designs for a handful of toys.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=@fearmylaserface Sandstorm I actually did the design-work for...Coupla heads on TFCC CD&RW. Homagey-ish ROTF Guzzle. Otherwise, you got 'em!|link=https://twitter.com/NickRoche/status/566974332816334848|name=NickRoche|site=Twitter|year=2015|month=2|day=15|(defunct=)}}</ref><ref>{{citesocial|quote=And, by very kind permission from Hasbro, here's some concept artwork for Generations Voyager Sandstorm. http://t.co/2ai25Fm7S7|link=https://twitter.com/NickRoche/status/364780908349366273|name=NickRoche|site=Twitter|year=2013|month=8|day=6|(defunct=)}}</ref>

===''Thrilling 30''===
* [[Sandstorm (G1)#Thrilling 30|Sandstorm]]

===''Timelines''===
* [[Chromedome (G1)#Timelines|Chromedome]] (new head only)
* [[Rewind (G1)#Timelines|Rewind]]/[[Eject (G1)#Timelines|Eject]] (new head only)

==DVD cover art==
===[[Metrodome]]===
*''[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (cartoon)|Transformers Takara Collection Super-God Masterforce]]''
*''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (cartoon)|Transformers Takara Collection Victory]]''

==Convention appearances==
*[[BotCon]] ([[BotCon 2007|2007]])
*[[BotCon]] ([[BotCon 2009|2009]])
*[[Unofficial conventions|Auto Assembly]] (2009)
*[[Unofficial conventions|Auto Assembly]] (2010)

==Notes==
[[File:Derpnick.jpg|thumb|What can brown do for you?]]
*He has admitted to being "gay for [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Hot Rod]]".
*He is also the first Transformers celebrity to have interviewed another Transformers [[Stan Bush|celebrity]].<ref>http://c3.libsyn.com/media/20749/EP_26_-_OLDMOON_OILBASE_INTERVIEWS_STAN_BUSH.mp3?nvb=20100909170039&nva=20100910171039&sid=fd4711763d08f49953c5982d42719c75&l_sid=20749&l_eid=&l_mid=2021798&t=0155622406f16c055d36b</ref>
*On Twitter, while talking about how more than five panels average a page is a burden for artists, he strongly indicated that James Roberts' masses of detailed panels are why they hadn't worked together in years<ref>{{citesocial|quote=@MMortAH Well, we haven't worked together in three years... make of THAT what you will... :)|link=https://twitter.com/NickRoche/status/665246818389856256|name=NickRoche|site=Twitter|year=2015|month=11|day=13|(defunct=)}}</ref> (though they are still friends).
*He also admitted he's an "asshole to myself" when he breaks that rule himself in his own scripts!<ref>{{citesocial|quote=.@RID_NightViper Furman aims for that. Everyone's different. I'm an asshole to myself, to be honest!|link=https://twitter.com/NickRoche/status/665238634531061761|name=NickRoche|site=Twitter|year=2015|month=11|day=13|(defunct=)}}</ref>
*At Auto Assembly 2010 it was discovered that Nick can do an uncanny [[David Kaye]] impression. Yesssssss.
*The way Shockwave was killed in "[[The Legacy of Unicron!]]" has haunted him since childhood.<ref>[http://moonbase2.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=601856 Moonbase 2 interview], 50:26 to 51:08</ref>
*Nick's redesign of the Dinobots in ''Spotlight: Shockwave'' and ''Maximum Dinobots'' led to his having a pterosaur named for him in 2018, ''Klobiodon rochei'', by Michael O'Sullivan (one of the hosts of long-running Transformers podcast Moonbase 2).<ref>{{w|Klobiodon|Wikipedia page for ''Klobiodon rochei''}}</ref>
*Nick's kids' original ''Transformers'' characters have gone on to appear in official fiction, beginning with his daughter's creation, [[Sharpclaw]], and followed by his eldest son's [[Vex]]. His two-year-old son is yet to meaningfully contribute.
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==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
File:SpotlightHotRod rush.jpg|[[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Hot Rod]] enjoys freefalling to a planet.
File:TFGenerations12.jpg|[[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]]'s never looked this cool before or since.
File:SpotlightHardhead HardheadsHeadshot.jpg|[[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]]'s got a hard head.
File:8punch.jpg|
File:AHM15 SpringerpunchesProwl.jpg|[[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]] is [[Springer (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Springer]]'s personal punching bag.
</gallery>

*''[[:Category:Images by Nick Roche|Extended Nick Roche gallery]]''</center>

==Fiction==
===2005 IDW continuity===
Nick was sitting at a signing table at [[Auto Assembly 2009]] when [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] barged his way past [[Gregg Berger]] and [[Liam Shalloo]], complaining about his absence from ''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]''. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 13|''All Hail Megatron'' #13 cover}} One year later, [[Auto Assembly 2010]] attendees could apparently "buy Nick's pants" at [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]]'s charity auction and tombola. {{storylink|International Incident Part 1: "The Land Ironclads"|''The Transformers'' #9 cover}}

==External links==
*[http://nickroche.blogspot.com/ Nick Roche's blog]
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugL34N9Bh_k Int-Roche-Spective @ Wexford Arts Centre]

===Interviews===
*August 2006—[http://web.archive.org/web/20070309223141/http://www.transfans.net/interviews_roche.php TransFans]
*September 2006—[https://twitter.com/tfnationltd/status/1574715480627023873 Gorey Guardian]
*2007—[http://web.archive.org/web/20070502181400/http://fractalmatter.com:80/main/?p=549 FractalMatter]
*August 2009—[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBqIcb2PXSA Auto Assembly] (with [[Simon Williams]], [[Jason Cardy]], [[Kat Cardy]], [[Kris Carter]], [[Lee Bradley]], [[Jon Davis-Hunt]], and [[Liam Shalloo]])
*August 2009—[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIkqheta3GE Moonbase 2]
*December 2009—[http://web.archive.org/web/20091228083352/http://www.oneshallstand.com/articles/wreckers.html One Shall Stand] (with James Roberts)
*January 2010—[https://tfio.proboards.com/thread/716?page=1 Transformers Ireland Online]
*March 2010—[http://www.fictionalfrontiers.podcastpeople.com/posts/38222/ Fictional Frontiers]
*August 2010—[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9DPbginVXE Auto Assembly] (with James Roberts)
*August 2011—[https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1eqng2 Auto Assembly] (with [[Simon Furman]], [[Andrew Wildman]], and [[James Roberts]])
*August 2011—[https://moonbase2.libsyn.com/the-underbase-aa2011-interviews-nick-roche-and-james-roberts The Underbase] (with James Roberts)
*May 2012—[https://irishcomicnews.dreamhosters.com/2012/05/17/the-big-interview-nick-roche-talks-in-depth-about-transformers-writing-mario-kart/ Irish Comic News]
*August 2012—[https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1k0jz6 Auto Assembly] (with [[James Roberts]] and [[Livio Ramondelli]])
*February 2013—[https://moonbase2.libsyn.com/the-moonbase2-interviews-nick-roche Moonbase 2]
*August 2013—[https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1lpoc5 Auto Assembly] (with [[James Roberts]])
*August 2013—[https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1nkosy Auto Assembly] ([https://theunderbase.libsyn.com/the-underbase-presents-aa2013-overlord-deconstructed alternate recording]) (with [[James Roberts]] and [[Chris McFeely]])
*September 2013—[https://theunderbase.libsyn.com/the-underbase-presents-aa2013-idw-comic-panel Auto Assembly] (with James Roberts, [[Alex Milne]], and [[Andrew Griffith]])
*August 2014—[https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x24gm8a Auto Assembly] (with [[Jim Sorenson]], [[John-Paul Bove]], [[Casey Coller]] and [[James Roberts]])
*March 2015—[http://web.archive.org/web/20150403224447/http://www.orbitalcomics.com/orbital-in-conversation-episode-122-with-nick-roche-scott-mccloud/ Orbital Comics]
*October 2015—[https://bleedingcool.com/comics/giant-robots-ninja-turtles-monster-motors-and-more-talking-with-nick-roche/ Bleeding Cool]
*October 2015—[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/twincast-podcast-episode-129-nick-roche-talks-sins-of-the-wreckers/34136/ Seibertron Twincast / Podcast]
*November 2015—[https://www.transmissionspodcast.com/2015/11/transmissions-episode-137-tea-time-with-nick-roche TransMissions] ([https://www.transmissionspodcast.com/2015/11/nick-roche-interview-transcript-from-transmissions-episode-137 transcript])
*October 2016—TFcon (with [[Bob Budiansky]], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGGEXw-kUSc Part 1], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSIHu4gxBCY Part 2])
*May 2017—[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evxj40k1Iyo RetCon]
*May 2018—[https://podcastmaximus.podbean.com/e/podcast-maximus-episode-32-nick-roche-interview/ Podcast Maximus]
*June 2018—[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFI_VKD4jLg The Full Force Podcast]
*July 2018—[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IPFJ8HZzBo RetCon] (with James Roberts)
*August 2019—[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8hTKMabLyk TFNation] (with [[Simon Furman]], [[E. J. Su]], and [[Kris Carter]])
*August 2019—[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q70NHIyJjM4 TFNation] (with [[James Roberts]] and [[Jack Lawrence]])
*August 2020—[https://geekvibesnation.com/geek-vibes-interview-idws-scarenthood-artist-and-writer-nick-roche/ Geek Vibes Nation]
*September 2020—[https://monkeysfightingrobots.co/interview-nick-roche-channels-his-parental-anxieties-into-scarenthood/ Monkeys Fighting Robots]
*March 2021—[https://www.comicbookherald.com/creannotators-39-scarenthood-interview-with-creator-nick-roche/ Comic Book Herald]
*May 2022—[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ55ydPLBaE IDW Publishing]
*May 2022—[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/twincast-podcast-episode-300-last-pod-standing/46899/ Seibertron Twincast / Podcast]
*August 2022—[https://mega.nz/file/dksCwahA#5PaSEzP4gzR7NnXiwf705YBE_YCEu5PFoG67r7Z2SKM TFNation]
*August 2022—[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FpdWAyptjfXB4_o3Vzi1ln05VpW9NeBg/view?usp=sharing TFNation] (with [[Simon Furman]], [[James Roberts]], [[Jack Lawrence]], and [[Brian Ruckley]])
*June 2024—[https://www.tripletakeover.com/e/82-transformers-earthspark-featuring-nick-roche/ Triple Takeover]
*March 2025—[https://www.tripletakeover.com/e/100-idws-transformers-last-stand-of-the-wreckers-featuring-james-roberts-nick-roche/ Triple Takeover] (with [[James Roberts]])

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Daniel Witwicky (G1)

2026-02-26T19:01:24Z

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{{disambig3|Daniel Witwicky}}
:''Daniel [[Witwicky (surname)|Witwicky]] is an [[Autobot]]-allied [[human]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:TVMGuideHotRodDaniel.jpg|thumb|upright=1.95|ADVENTURE!]]
'''Daniel Witwicky''' is the human son of [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] and [[Carly (G1)|Carly Witwicky]]. He is approximately 12 years of age in [[2005]], and was presumably born sometime between [[1990]] and [[1993]]. He is the grandson of [[Sparkplug Witwicky]].

Daniel often gets into trouble, which requires either his father or the [[Autobot]]s to save him. He is very good friends with the Autobots, particularly [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]], [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], and [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], but the one he's closest to is [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], who views him as a surrogate son. Come to think of it, he doesn't seem to ''have'' any human friends...

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[David Mendenhall]] (English), [[Mayumi Tanaka]] (Japanese, ''The Movie''), [[Masumi Gotō]] (Japanese, ''Transformers 2010''), [[Yoshiko Kamei]] (Japanese, ''The Rebirth'')|[[Zhang Anna]] (Chinese), [[Francette Vernillat]] (European French, "Surprise Party" & "Madman's Paradise"), [[Serge Lhorca]] (European French, "Dark Awakening"), [[Francesco Pezzulli]] (Italian, ''The Movie'' first dub), [[Alessia La Monica]] (Italian, ''The Movie'' second dub), [[Dirk Meyer]] (German, ''The Ultimate Weapon''), [[Ana Orra]] (Spain-Spanish, ''The Movie''), [[Oberdan Junior‎]] (Portuguese, "The Movie" TV dub), [[Selton Mello]] (Portuguese, "The Movie" VHS dub), [[Mun-Ja Choi]] (Korean "The Movie", KBS dub), [[Lee Hyang-suk]] (Korean "The Movie", Iljin Video dub)}}
[[File:HotRodFishing1.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2|Hot Rod's babysitting rates run at three shanix an hour. Four after nine.]]
In the year 2005, Daniel appeared to be in the care of [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] (smart choice) at [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] while his father was preparing for an assault on the [[Decepticon]]-held planet [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] from [[Moonbase One]]. The separation from his dad had left Daniel feeling blue in a way even going [[fishing]] with Hot Rod didn't change, but his spirits were lifted when he saw an incoming Autobot shuttle. Hot Rod gave him a lift to [[Lookout Mountain]] to get a better view, but Daniel found something he'd rather not see; a massive hole in the shuttle's side, revealing that it had been commandeered by the [[Decepticon]] army!

[[File:Danielwitwickytftm.jpg|thumb|He wears a matching "D" on his underroos.]]

This chance discovery caused Hot Rod to attack the shuttle, forcing [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] to evacuate his troops and giving the Autobots a chance to prepare the city's defenses. Daniel nearly perished when Megatron blasted the observation platform below him, but Hot Rod managed to keep him safe as they headed for the besieged city with [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]].

Following a brutal battle in which he was almost killed, Daniel tearfully witnessed the death of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]], sobbing on the fallen commander's hand as the color left his corpse. (We forgive Daniel's crying on this occasion, as [[Fandom|everyone else]] cried as well.)

Escaping from a second Decepticon attack, Daniel and a group of Autobots were stranded on [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]], where Daniel donned his father's old [[exosuit]] to weather the harsh environment. He did not get much time to enjoy the suit, as yet ''another'' Decepticon assault left [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] dead and stirred the native [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]] into violent action. Daniel proved his worth in this battle by smacking Junkion leader [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] with an I-beam, saving a prone [[Springer (G1)|Springer]].

Hostilities with the Junkions were settled with the arrival of Hot Rod and [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]], Ultra Magnus was revived, and a brief celebration was held wherein Daniel showed he could boogey down.

Daniel joined the combined Autobot-Junkion attack force in the assault on [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]]. He was on the ship that plunged into Unicron's eye, and soon became separated from the main Autobot group. As luck would have it, he ended up in Unicron's acid-based digestion center, where he was able to save his father, [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]], [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]], and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] from certain death.

Daniel and the rest soon met up with the other Autobots inside of Unicron. Everything around them was exploding! And then came this [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] guy. Spike and Daniel hopped into his front seat, all of the Autobots drove out of Unicron's undamaged eye, through space, and back to Cybertron as Unicron blew up. Daniel looked on as Rodimus gave a heroic speech. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

{{note|Daniel Witwicky's involvement in these events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the comic ''[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]]'', the storybook "[[Transformers the Movie (Ladybird adaptation)|Transformers the Movie]]" and the "Special Edition The Transformers: The Movie extra page" of "[[Transformers: The Ultimate Pop-Up Universe]]".}}

[[File:SurpriseParty Daniel and Wheelie.jpg|left|thumb]]

The Witwickys attended the first [[Galactic Olympics]] on [[Athenia]]. The event was attacked by [[Quintesson]] forces, who kidnapped Daniel's father. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}} Some time later, Spike and Daniel were on a mission with the Autobots when they sought refuge on the [[Autobot Mausoleum]]. Exploring on his own, Daniel encountered what appeared to be Optimus Prime, and they soon found that Optimus was back from the dead. After it turned out that Optimus had been resurrected by the Quintessons as a trap, and Optimus sacrificed himself to save the Autobots, Daniel grieved for the Autobot leader all over again. {{storylink|Dark Awakening (episode)|Dark Awakening}}

After the Autobots threw a birthday party for Daniel, he started to wonder if [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] had a birthday. The quest to find out led Daniel and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] to steal a spacecraft and locate a [[Lost Cybertronian Storage Asteroid|lost storage asteroid]]. They were followed by [[Cyclonus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cyclonus]] who took Daniel hostage and attempted to crash the asteroid into Cybertron, but Daniel and Wheelie escaped during a rescue by Ultra Magnus. {{storylink|Surprise Party}} Bored with a diplomatic event, Daniel went exploring on Cybertron with [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] and the pair were inadvertently transported to [[Menonia]], a realm of magic. They met the Red Wizard—in reality the exiled Quintesson [[Mara-Al-Utha]], who tricked Grimlock into helping him while imprisoning Daniel. Daniel escaped with the help of [[Golden One's pupil|a fellow prisoner]] and, with the help of some Autobots who had followed him, freed the [[Golden One]] who overturned Mara-Al-Utha's rule. {{storylink|Madman's Paradise}}

[[File:MadmansParadise Daniel held up.jpg|thumb]]
When Daniel was plagued by bad dreams about a giant Galvatron, Rodimus advised him to visualize a giant Rodimus to fight the Galvatron. Daniel was later abducted by the Quintessons who projected his dreams into reality. He struggled to mentally help the Autobots caught up in the projection, but when a giant Galvatron appeared, Rodimus realized what was happening and encouraged Daniel to overcome the Quintessons' machine. Daniel was thus able to be rescued. {{storylink|Nightmare Planet}} Following the theft of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]'s [[Transformation cog (biology)|transformation cog]], Spike and Daniel disguised themselves as workers and stole [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]'s cog to replace it. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}}

[[File:HeadmasterDanielRebirth1.jpg|left|thumb|That kid's therapist is gonna make a fortune.]]
To demonstrate [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]]'s theory that human partners could help, Hot Rod engaged in a race with [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]], with Daniel helping Hot Rod by shooting enemies from the driver's seat. Following an attempt by the Decepticons to open the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]], Spike, Daniel and a group of Autobots were hurled across space to the plant of [[Nebulos]]. After a slight misunderstanding with the locals, the Autobots had a brief battle with the Decepticons who had followed them there. When Daniel tried to help Arcee against [[Snapdragon (G1)|Snapdragon]], the Decepticon used him as a chew-toy, severely injuring him. Though he survived, he required extensive life support. [[Arcee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Arcee]] volunteered her own systems to assist in saving Daniel's life. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}} Arcee's head was reconfigured into an [[exosuit]], allowing Daniel to become Arcee's [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster partner]].

They tested out their new partnership on the [[Hive (G1)|Hive]]'s machines, and when Optimus arrived on the planet, the pair were able to recapture the key to the Plasma Energy Chamber from the Decepticons. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 2}} Unfortunately [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] arrived and grabbed Arcee in his mighty pincer. She and Daniel were taken back to Cybertron as captives aboard the fortress, and Arcee was forced to either turn over the key or watch Daniel be tortured. Spike, [[Binary bonding|binary bonded]] to [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]], staged a rescue shortly before Scorponok was shot off into space. After Cybertron entered a new [[Golden Age]], Daniel and Arcee returned to Nebulos to help rebuild. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}
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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
{{note|The events of the Generation 1 cartoon occur in Japanese continuity as detailed above, except that the events of season 3 are pushed back to 2010, and "The Rebirth" does not occur.}}

=====Rodimus Wars=====
Before the battle with Unicron, Daniel befriended Hot Rod, then "Crystal Rodimus", as well as [[Dark Hot Rod]]. On Dark Hot Rod's death, Hot Rod lamented that Daniel would be sad only to realize his clone had in fact merged with him. The "completed" Hot Rod then returned to Earth and took Daniel [[fishing]]. {{storylink|Rodimus Wars}}

=====''Kiss Players''=====
When the EDC banned Transformers from Earth in 2005, sympathizers like Daniel fled into space with his father. He got into an accident and was put into "cold sleep", emerging from it in the year 2010. {{storylink|Transformers: Kiss Players Glossary Encyclopedia|Kiss Players Glossary Encyclopedia}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
{{voiceactor|[[Tomiko Suzuki]] (Japanese)|[[Deng Changlan]] (Chinese), [[Davide Garbolino]] (Italian), [[Ivette González]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}
[[File:HM1 Daniel and Wheelie.jpg|thumb|A boy and his car.]]
In [[2011]], [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] came under attack by the [[Decepticon]]s. While Daniel and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] were planning to travel there, they encountered [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] and, thanks to some quick thinking from Wheelie, managed to trick him into plunging into a ravine. Donning his [[exosuit]], Daniel accompanied Wheelie on the [[Trainbot]]s to Cybertron, where he immediately managed to get into trouble, encountering [[Tantrum (G1)|Tantrum]]. He was rescued by [[Shouki]], who told the pair they should evacuate the planet forthwith. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} Daniel joined his parents on [[Athenia]]. Following the battle, the triumphant [[Autobot]] [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] also arrived on Athenia to introduce themselves. Daniel went into mourning after [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] died while helping [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] find the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] on [[Earth]]. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}}

[[File:HM6 Daniel regresses.jpg|thumb|left]]

Back on Cybertron, Daniel and Wheelie played computer games while they waited for the outcome of Hot Rod and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]'s respective missions. {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}} When the Autobot [[Autobot Mini-Cassette|Cassettes]] refused to go on a mission, Daniel spoke up for them, pointing out that they were still mourning Blaster's death. They were all overjoyed when [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress]] was able to resurrect Blaster as Twincast, though Daniel took a bit of reminding to remember his new name. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}} Daniel and Wheelie stowed away aboard Battleship Maximus, and, as a result, paid a visit to planet [[Beast (planet)|Beast]], where they befriended [[Monkey Beastformer child|a young Beastformer]], were temporarily captured by the Decepticons, and helped free the [[Beastformer (species)|Beastformer]]s from Decepticon rule. {{storylink|Rebellion on Planet Beast}}

When the Decepticons sent a [[Metamorphose|metal-warping meteor]] towards Athenia and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] was too injured to go, Daniel volunteered to plant bombs on it. Partway there, he started having second thoughts, but after Fortress made funny faces at him, he calmed down and completed the mission on his own. {{storylink|Approach of the Demon Meteorite}} Daniel and Wheelie were shopping in [[Japan]] with the Trainbots when a mysterious figure began blackmailing the world's governments. Daniel was upset when [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] argued with the Trainbots over the shopping trip; however, a ninja star he'd bought caused Chromedome to remember the ninja [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]], who it turned out was behind the blackmail. {{storylink|Terror! The Six Shadows}}

[[File:HM11 Daniel at party.jpg|thumb]]
After the destruction of Cybertron, Daniel touched down on the remains of the planet with the Autobots, and watched as Rodimus Prime, [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]], and [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] departed on a mission to find a new home for the [[Transformer]]s. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 2}} Though glum at Rodimus's departure, Daniel and Wheelie attended a party put on by Fortress to celebrate the completion of the [[Sol 1]] satellite. They also went to the launch itself. {{storylink|The Shadow Emperor, Scorponok}} Spike, Daniel and Wheelie rode along with the Autobots as they went to save the village of [[Pan]] from an erupting volcano, and Daniel met [[Pipiro]] and his sister [[Alyssa]]. {{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}}

Daniel took some seeds back to Athenia to plant, unaware they'd been switched for alien seeds. The resulting [[buridanka]] plant attacked the Autobot base there and Daniel courageously tried to fight it off with a stick, but it exploded anyway when the Headmasters destroyed another buridanka on Earth. {{storylink|Head On!! Fortress Maximus}} Spike and his father helped the Autobots conduct a geological survey on [[Mars (planet)|Mars]] (at least when Daniel wasn't playing jokes on Wheelie) until they detected some strange activity. Daniel, Wheelie, and Shouki were captured by Decepticons, but, by staging a fight, they used the Autobot [[insignia]] from Daniel's exosuit to alert Spike to their predicament. Once the Headmasters rescued them, they evacuated back to Athenia in the Trainbots. {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! Maximus Is in Danger}} From there, they monitored the efforts of the Autobots as they unsuccessfully tried to prevent the Decepticons from destroying Mars. {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears}}

[[File:HM16 Daniel attempts to make contact.jpg|thumb|left]]
After Daniel and Wheelie were buzzed by [[Galvatron's UFO|a UFO]] on Athenia, Daniel became obsessed with calling the aliens back using a musical technique he'd seen in a movie. Unfortunately, the UFO later turned out to be a spacecraft carrying [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] and Daniel smashed his musical instrument in disgust. {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}} When the Autobots received an SOS from [[Sandra (planet)|Sandra]], a world nearly depleted of energy, Daniel and Wheelie went along on the mission of mercy. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}} Spike decided to try to negotiate with the Decepticons, and went to Earth with Daniel and [[Carly (G1)|Carly]] to meet with Galvatron and try to persuade the Decepticon leader that they could work together. The Decepticons insisted on holding Daniel and Carly hostage for the duration. When Galvatron insisted that one of the preconditions of any arrangement would be that Daniel would have to stay on Earth, apart from his father, Daniel tearfully agreed. It later turned out that it had all been a trick, and "Galvatron" was really [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]]. With the subsequent destruction of the [[space bridge]] network, the Autobots opted to pursue the Decepticons into space in Battleship Maximus, and Daniel insisted on going too. {{storylink|Daniel Faces His Biggest Crisis Ever!!}}

[[File:HM23 Daniel with Challenge Blaster.jpg|thumb|Give a boy a gun and you arm him for a day. Teach him how to make a gun... and the whole metaphor breaks down.]]

They first followed the Decepticons to [[Hive (planet)|Hive]]. {{storylink|Fight to the Death on Planet Hive!!}} When they were approaching the [[Twin Star]] system, Daniel and Wheelie were sent with [[Arcee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Arcee]] and [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] to Toruin for safety's sake. Instead, the foursome found that the population of neighboring Sperity had evacuated there to escape the Decepticon attack. {{storylink|Battle for Defense of the False Planet}} Daniel practiced his gun-slinging by playing ''[[Video Challenger]]'' and trying to shoot balls out of Wheelie's hand. When the Headmasters rescued some people from [[Daros]], one of them, [[Curl]], took Daniel hostage. With the help of his [[Challenge Blaster]], he broke free, and the Autobots subsequently helped Curl overturn the planet's corrupt rulers. {{storylink|Find MegaZarak's Weak Spot!!}}

On [[Paradise]], Daniel met a young girl named [[Papika]] and the Autobots chased the Decepticons off the planet. {{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}} As Maximus moved through the [[Space Graveyard]], Daniel was interested in a [[Space Pirate Ship|spaceship resembling a pirate ship]] though they couldn't stop to investigate further. He got the chance to when [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] later discovered a pyramid on the [[Pirate Planet]], and the spaceship's skull figurehead turned out to be the key. Daniel used his Challenge Blaster, upgraded by Highbrow, to fend off [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundblaster]] while they retrieved the skull. {{storylink|Mystery of the Space Pirate Ship}}

[[File:HM26 real men don't cry.jpg|thumb|left|"Danny, boys can cry, but not out loud. Men don't cry; they only get stronger."]]
As they headed back to Earth, Daniel and Wheelie tried fruitlessly to help Highbrow find a weak spot in [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s [[transtector]] design. They reached Earth to find that Sixshot had attacked and killed [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]], much to Daniel's distress. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}} Back on Athenia, Daniel and Spike monitored the Decepticons' mounting devastation of Earth. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}} When Spike was critically wounded during a Decepticon attack, Daniel refused to blame Chromedome (though Wheelie did). He paid a visit to his father in the medical bay before Fortress used telepathy to successfully remove the shrapnel that endangered Spike's life. Daniel later helped Chromedome unravel the secret of Scorponok's weak point. {{storylink|I Risk My Life for Earth}}

Daniel and Wheelie accompanied Spike to the [[United Nations]] as he tried to coordinate recovery efforts after the Decepticons abandoned Earth. Wheelie's "friends", whom Daniel had assumed he'd made up, finally arrived in the form of [[Pointblank]], [[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]] and [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]]. Daniel went on board Maximus as the Autobots took some bombs into space for disposal. {{storylink|Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 1)}} Following the unexpected creation of the [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]]s, Daniel persuaded his father to let him head to planet [[Master (planet)|Master]] with the Autobots to head off the Decepticons. He and Wheelie helped cheer Chromedome up after the death of [[Jack (G1)|Jack]]. {{storylink|Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 2)}}

Wheelie claimed he was going to learn to become a Headmaster and sneaked off, only to be captured by the Decepticons. When they tried to ransom the tiny Autobot for information about the [[Master Sword]], Daniel immediately set out to mount a rescue with the help of Chromedome. As Scorponok's defenses were geared towards Transformers, Daniel slipped through them with ease and successfully rescued Wheelie. The Decepticons still got the information they were after, and Daniel, Wheelie and Chromedome were relegated to cleaning duties. {{storylink|The Master Sword Is in Danger!!}} Daniel and Wheelie caught [[Weirdwolf (G1)|Weirdwolf]] doing something on Battleship Maximus's hull, and Daniel took a few shots at the Decepticon with his Challenge Blaster until Fortress told him to get back inside. {{storylink|The Zarak Shield Turns the Tide}}

[[File:Sixshot Daniel Daira.jpg|thumb|A boy and his psychotic murdering wolf-tank-plane-gun-car.]]
Annoyed at the failure to stop the Decepticons constructing the [[Zarak Shield]], Daniel and Wheelie turned to video games, but found even those had lost their appeal. {{storylink|Operation: Destroy the Decepticons}} On the way back to Earth, Daniel decided to take a look at Maximus's laser turrets. Unfortunately, the ship got into a battle with the Decepticons, and the damaged laser turret was jettisoned, landing on the barren world of [[Daira]]. Also stranded there was Sixshot, who had no intention of dishonorably killing a small unarmed boy, and instead protected Daniel from the rock people until the Autobots arrived. Daniel stopped Chromedome from shooting Sixshot, as he'd come to regard the Decepticon as a friend. {{storylink|My Friend Sixshot!}}

[[File:HM34 Daniel rescues Carly.jpg|left|thumb]]
When he subsequently found out that Sixshot had challenged Chromedome to a duel to the death, Daniel tried to talk the Headmaster out of taking part. When this failed, Daniel donned his exosuit and followed Chromedome to asteroid [[Juno]] where he interposed himself between the two fighters. It transpired that Scorponok intended to deal with two problems by blowing up the asteroid. With Sixshot's help, Chromedome and Daniel escaped, but the boy was upset when it appeared that Sixshot had perished in the asteroid's explosion. {{storylink|Duel on the Asteroid}}

Daniel brooded the rest of the way to Earth. When they arrived, Arcee reported that Spike and Carly's plane had gone down in the [[Andes Mountains|Andes]], and Daniel insisted on going with the Headmasters on the rescue mission. When they reached the location, Spike was pulling people out of a crevasse, and Daniel volunteered to be the one to haul his unconscious mother to safety. They returned to Battleship Maximus, where the Autobots had found the Decepticons were erecting [[Death Tower]]s across the planet. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 1)}} With the Decepticon plan nearing completion, Daniel accompanied the Autobots to the [[Arctic|North Pole]]. He and Wheelie helped Fortress Maximus against Scorponok, but were threatened by [[Battletrap (G1)|Battletrap]]. After Battletrap was struck by laser fire, Daniel discovered that Sixshot had survived the explosion of Juno after all. Following their defeat, the Decepticons fled into space; as the Autobots departed as well, Daniel gave his friends a tearful send off. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}

=====''Unite Warriors''/''Legends''=====
In [[2021]], Daniel (wearing his exosuit) came with a bunch of Autobots on <s>vacation</s> ''special surfing training'' in [[Hawaii]], where he hung onto [[Ironhide (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ironhide]] for dear life as the Autobot rode the waves. {{storylink|Crossing the Pacific Ocean!?}}

That same year, Daniel worked with Sixshot to break the unjustly imprisoned [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] out of the [[Planet Micro Satellite Penitentiary]] by piloting Sixshot's new [[transtector]] body as an escape vehicle. They traveled to the [[Legends World]] to hide out at Chromedome's place but were tracked down by a revived Ultra Magnus, leading to Sixshot being fatally injured. Daniel rushed out to help, but Sixshot accepted his fate and seemingly perished after telling Daniel to cherish his life. {{storylink|LG50 Sixshot}} Daniel returned home after the false charges against Star Saber were dropped, and years later in [[2026]] he was reunited with Sixshot, who had survived and become the Autobot Greatshot. {{storylink|LG-EX Greatshot}}

=====Train Wars=====
[[File:TrainWars DanielWitwicky.jpg|thumb|Steel-y Dan]]
Having left the spotlight in the Transformers' war, Daniel grew into a man and became an expert in information warfare, acquiring an [[exosuit]] that let him disguise himself as a Transformer. He used it to infiltrate the Decepticons and steal information on the ''[[Thunder Arrow]]'', though he was caught by the [[Jet Corps]] and fled back to [[Metrobase (G1)|Metrobase]] where he was saved by [[Shouki]]. He then presented a plan to use the data to disguise Shouki as the ''Thunder Arrow'' while he himself was disguised [[Skystalker (G1)|its pilot]], though Shouki resented having to work with a partner. {{storylink|Train Wars: Shouki & Daniel Chapter}} Partnered with Shouki, Daniel could use his exosuit to transform into an electrical bow and a pantograph for him. Despite wanting to work with him on infiltration missions, Daniel was rejected by Shouki, who did not desire harm to come upon the human. {{storylink|#Generations|Shouki and Daniel bios}}

When [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]] arrived in a shuttle with stolen [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] plans, the duo lured him in as the "''Thunder Arrow''" before revealing themselves. Shouki used Daniel as the electrical bow to quickly defeat the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]]. Daniel congratulated his partner on their success, but Shouki was quick to reject any idea of partnership, still haunted by a previous loss he suffered.

Daniel and Shouki responded to an emergency alert on Cybertron, and found [[The Fallen]] trying to steal [[Vector Sigma]]. They were joined by a half-dozen new soldiers summoned by the Oracle-enhanced [[Quantum Dial]] of the [[Omnibot (G1)|Omnibot]], [[Overdrive]]. Although he acquired reinforcements for them, Overdrive vanished into quantum space from the effort. {{storylink|Train Wars}}

These new Autobots were not enough to defeat The Fallen. In a last ditch effort, Daniel joined forces with [[Shūta Gō]], human partner to the new arrival, [[Goshooter]]. They were snared in the same tentacles The Fallen used to grasp Vector Sigma. The Fallen attempted to assimilate knowledge about organic life from Shūta as well, and Daniel fired his suit's weaponry to defend the younger human. He only succeeded in angering The Fallen, though, and the villain backhanded Daniel into a dimensional rift. Daniel pleaded with Shouki to carry on in his absence as he fell out of sight.

Luckily, Daniel was found by the displaced Overdrive as he entered the rift, and Overdrive used Daniel as a beacon to lead them both back to Cybertron. Back in his electrical bow configuration, Daniel and Shouki shot Shūta and the Vector Sigma node free of the Fallen's grasp. Through the assistance of Alpha Trion and Metroplex, Shouki became an immensely powerful "train bazooka" strong enough to defeat the Fallen. In the aftermath of the battle, Shouki and Daniel developed a stronger partnership than before. {{storylink|Train Wars 2}}

=====e-HOBBY comics=====
[[File:EldedroidMPBlack01.jpg|left|thumb]]
At some point beyond the year 2035, Daniel (now going by "Dan") underwent the process to have his personality programmed into an [[Eldedroid]] (codenamed "Black Convoy"). Dan joined a strike team of Autobots sent to destroy an undersea mining operation overseen by the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s. Unknown to Autobot intelligence, however, the operation was actually being commanded by Megatron, who proceeded to hit Dan with a surprise attack. Dan attempted to fool Megatron into thinking that he was really Optimus Prime (as Eldedroid bodies are modeled in Prime's likeness), but Megatron didn't fall for it. Bitter at having been overthrown by [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]], Megatron decided to ditch the entire operation in disgust rather than continue fighting, leaving the strange creatures the Decepticons had freed in their mining operation to the Autobots. Dan was then promptly attacked by one of those very creatures. {{storylink|MP-1B Cybertron Commander / Convoy Black Ver.}}

After Dan failed to report back, the Autobots dispatched a rescue party. When they found Dan in the core chamber of the undersea base, he had been strung up by the tentacles of the sea creature. To make matters worse, the gigantic ghost of [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] traveled forward in time or something and attacked the Autobots still on the surface. {{storylink|MP-3G Destron Air Commander / Starscream Ghost Ver.}}

=====''Legends'' comic=====
Daniel was still using his Eldedroid body in [[2038]], when he and Greatshot led a squadron of Eldedroids to the [[Micro|Z Planet]] and did battle with [[Violengiguar]] and [[Dark Nova]]. {{storylink|The Road to Legends' Revival Chapter 5: LG-EX Big Powered Prologue Part Two|LG-EX Big Powered Prologue Part Two}} In [[2039]], Daniel spoke to Hot Rod about humanity's rapid scientific progress, crediting their alliance with Cybertron and discovery of [[Angolmois Energy]]. {{storylink|Transformers Legends Final Chapter "Epiloge"|Epiloge}}

====''TV Magazine'' comic continuity====
=====''The Great Transformer War''=====
[[File:DanielGrimlockGreatTransformerWar.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
Daniel and Spike celebrated the success of Doctor [[Dalton]]'s upgrades to the Autobots. When [[Computron (G1)|Computron]] was coated in [[Cohesive Control Liquid]], Daniel offered to go help deal with it as humans wouldn't be affected by the substance, however Spike vetoed that notion and went himself. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 2|The Great Transformer War #2}}

=====''The Headmasters'' comic=====
[[File:DanielWheelie.jpg|left|thumb]]
While chilling on the Battleship Maximus, Daniel let Fortress know just how little he thought of the Decepticons, likening them to parasites. After the Autobot Headmasters thwarted a Decepticon bombing attempt, Daniel showered them with praise. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 1|The Headmasters #1}}

Daniel later joined the [[Trainbot]]s on a mission deep beneath the sea to stop the Decepticons from stealing energy at a crack in the Earth's crust. Donning his exosuit, Daniel helped the Autobots fend off the Decepticons and their menacing robot squid. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 3|The Headmasters #3}}

After a raid by the Decepticon [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]] to steal a spaceship's emergency rations, Daniel managed to follow the ninja in secret to a forest planet. There, he learned that the Decepticon was really a big softy who loved small woodland creatures. After mocking the startled Decepticon, Daniel took a bullet to the arm, as the denizens of the forest were attacked by a group of ruthless [[Space Hunter]]s. Enraged, Sixshot used all seven of his six modes to handily defeat the hunters. Daniel asked Sixshot to defect to the Autobots, but the ninja rattled off some nonsense about honor debts or whatever, then sent an SOS to the Autobots so they could pick up Daniel before flying off. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 4|The Headmasters #4}}

On an alien planet, Daniel joined Chromedome in scaling the [[Tower of Omega]] to retrieve a powerful weapon called the [[Charge Arrow]]. The [[Horrorcon (G1)|Horrorcons]] swiftly attacked and things started to look bad, at least until Chromedome summoned up enough [[burning spirit]] to save the day. Daniel was then treated to a trite lecture on inner strength and righteous courage and so on. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 5|The Headmasters #5}}

Returning to Earth, Daniel joined the new Targetmasters no one had ever seen before, [[Ricochet (Headmasters)|Ricochet]] and [[Artfire]], in quenching a fire that was burning Shinjuku to the ground. He actually didn't do anything to help, but everyone praised him at the end for some reason. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 7|The Headmasters #7}}

Shortly after [[Scorponok (G1)|MegaZarak]] and the Decepticons were driven from Earth, [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundblaster]] showed up and took Daniel's family hostage. Upon seeing his father getting beaten down by [[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]], Daniel was propelled into action. He leaped onto Slugfest and covered the Decepticon's eyes, causing him to panic and blindly tackle down [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]]. The pair of Cassette dinosaurs now defeated, Soundblaster was open to an attack from [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]]. Rodimus Prime then returned from his outer space quest and, having witnessed Daniel's bravery, told the young lad that he was growing up to be an inspiration to everyone. Emboldened by Rodimus's words, Daniel later ran along the beach with his parents, shouting "Transform!" at the top of his lungs. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 8|The Headmasters #8}}

====''TransTech''====
A version of [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] who ended up in [[Axiom Nexus]] mentioned [[Madman's Paradise|the time he helped Daniel in an alternate universe]] as proof that he could be [[Ask Vector Prime|an advice columnist]]. {{storylink|Rook - Axiom Nexus News: Investigative Journalist|Rook - Axiom Nexus News, 2015/10/01}}

====Ask Vector Prime====

In and around the Decepticon attack on [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]], [[Sideways (AVP)|Sideways]] and [[Gong (GoBots)|Gong]] interfered with the integrity of the universal streams. As a result, Daniel Witwicky was supplanted by Nick Burns early on in the conflict. Daniel later resurfaced, but his friends Hot Rod and Kup were replaced by members of the Robo Rebels in the narrative. By the next reality shift, Daniel was once again replaced, this time by Nick Burns and A.J. Foster together. {{storylink|Echoes and Fragments}}

====''Deviations''====
In a universe where Optimus Prime survived the Battle of Autobot City, Daniel accompanied Ultra Magnus's team of Autobots back to Cybertron. Along the way, Hot Rod confessed to Daniel that he'd been having strange visions of seeing Optimus dying, but Daniel tried to assure him. Things quickly started going wrong after "Megascream"—a Unicron-upgraded form of Starscream—attacked, and Hot Rod's recklessness sent their shuttle hurtling towards Junkion. Daniel clambered into an exo-suit, and he and Hot Rod boarded an escape pod.

The only two survivors of the crash, Daniel tried to cheer up Hot Rod by reminding him of what he'd said about the Matrix and the ways in which it worked. The duo were soon picked up by Optimus Prime, Kup, and the Dinobots, and together they travelled back to Cybertron. He later celebrated the defeat of the planet-eater and the Decepticons with his father. {{storylink|Transformers: Deviations|Deviations}}

===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
{{note|The movie adaptation, originally published by Marvel US, is in italics}}
[[File:Arcee daniel the final battle.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|Daniel's Optimus Prime cosplay still needed some work.]]
''In [[2005]], Daniel was friends with the Autobot [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Hot Rod]]. The pair were out [[fishing]] when Daniel detected an Autobot shuttle nearing Autobot city. Daniel was eager to watch it land, and though Hot Rod wasn't nearly as excited as his young friend, he obliged him, driving Daniel to "lookout point." There, they saw not Autobots disembarking from the ship, but [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] and his soldiers! The pair fled to Autobot City, where an epic clash between the Autobots and the Decepticons took place. After the Decepticons were forced to retreat, Daniel was at [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus]]'s bedside as the fatally wounded Autobot leader passed on the Matrix of Leadership to [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] before expiring.'' {{storylink|The Planet-Eater!}}

''Daniel and his friends were only given a brief respite before more bad news reached them: Daniel's father, [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]], and [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Bumblebee]] reported a monster planet advancing menacingly towards Cybertron. There was little time to contemplate the situation however, as the group was then assaulted by a new enemy: [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. The Autobots were forced to split up into two groups and blast off aboard a couple of shuttles in their attempt to escape him, but Galvatron remained in pursuit. In a last-ditch effort to lose the Decepticon, Magnus ordered an emergency separation of their shuttle. After Galvatron destroyed the jettisoned portion of the vessel (and declared the Matrix destroyed), Daniel's group landed their craft on the [[Junkion (planet)|Planet of Junk]] for repairs.'' {{storylink|Judgment Day!}}

[[File:Danieluk.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Fifteen years old, and still wearing matching outfits with his dad.]]
''When Daniel asked to be allowed to help, [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] dismissed him at first, telling him to "play with crayons or something." [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] made a more productive offer, and brought out one of Spike's [[Exosuit]]s from storage. Though Daniel had trouble with the suit's workings, Arcee assured him that he was doing well for his first time operating it. The Autobots barely managed to get any work done before Galvatron tracked them down again. Daniel was able to evade both [[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] and [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] when they tried to gun him down by converting his Exosuit into its vehicle mode and driving away. Ultra Magnus wasn't as lucky in his clash with Galvatron, which ended with him being drawn in quarters and Galvatron taking off with the Matrix of Leadership in hand. There was little time to grieve afterwards as the hostile [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]] then sprung forth! Thankfully, another ship carrying Hot Rod and several other Autobots arrived, and managed to talk peace with [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], leader of the Junkions. Wreck-Gar's troops rebuilt Ultra Magnus, and everyone on Junk readied for a confrontation against Unicron. This clash ended with Daniel's group crashing through the titan's eye. Daniel and the others were separated from Hot Rod inside Unicron, but his team found Spike, Bumblebee, and [[Jazz (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Jazz]]. They were soon rejoined by Hot Rod, though in his absence he had reacquired the Matrix of Leadership, which had both upgraded him into "Rodimus Prime" and begun a chain reaction inside Unicron. As Unicron was blown to smithereens, Daniel and Spike rode within Rodimus to safety.'' {{storylink|The Final Battle!}}

In [[2009]], the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]] and the rest of the Decepticons rampaged across Earth unhindered, and Daniel and his father Spike were rescued from the carnage by [[Kup (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Kup]]. Kup brought them to Autobot City, where Daniel convinced Rodimus Prime that he wasn't devoting enough resources towards defending Earth. {{storylink|Time Wars}}

===Marvel coloring books===
[[File:LostTreasureofCybertron-BusterDanielwhoknows.jpg|thumb|left]]

Daniel was visiting [[Oil Valley]] with Hot Rod, admiring the oil drilling area. Then Hot Rod spotted some Decepticons nearby, and drove Daniel to the safety of Autobot city stopping only momentarily to inform the Dinobots of the situation. {{storylink|Battle at Oil Valley}}

Returning home from a road trip with his Autobot friends, Daniel had a sandwich while listening to Kup's story about a lost stash of [[energon cube]]s on Earth. While Daniel wanted to participate in the ensuing treasure hunt, the Autobots deemed it too dangerous for the boy, and Hot Rod drove him home to his parents, [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster]] and [[Jesse (G1)|Jesse]]. {{storylink|The Lost Treasure of Cybertron}}

{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Hot Rod's Escape}}}}

===3H comics===
[[File:Departure-WheelieDaniel.jpg|thumb|Rebel without a cog.]]
Supposedly, Daniel met [[Devcon (G1)|Devcon]] at some point after 1987. Centuries later, the latter would comment he liked [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] better when she still had "that kid" [[Headmaster (technology)|in her head]]. {{storylink|Betrayal}}

Daniel detonated an explosive to destroy a legion of [[Nightbird (G1)|Nightbird]] drones, killing himself and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] in the process. This event caused Arcee to enter a deep depression, setting the stage for her personality change as she became a [[Wreckers|Wrecker]]. {{storylink|Departure}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
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[[File:DW Extermination Witwickyfamily.jpg|left|thumb|It was either this tiny, near indecipherable shot of him in the bottom right corner or the horrible [[Pat Lee]] monstrosity. ''You're welcome''.]]

{{quote|Thanks kiddo. What would I do without you?|[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]]}}
{{quote|Get your head knocked is what.|Daniel}}
A day after a reactivated [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] attacked and destroyed a South American rebel militia, a young Daniel reminded Spike to wear his [[hard hat]], which he scrawled his father's name on so he wouldn't forget (the hardhat, not his name). Spike told him to go upstairs when General [[Robert Hallo]] invited himself into Spike's home. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 1|Prime Directive #1}}

''When Spike began working with [[Franklin Townsend]], his family was placed in protective custody to ensure their safety. During this time, Daniel called his father and complained about how the place he and his mother were staying at stunk (despite having things he loved like comic books, movies and [[Sega]] games) because his dad wasn't there.'' {{storylink|Transformers: Hardwired|Hardwired}}

Sometime after that, Daniel joined his mom and dad in unloading the groceries from their minivan. Once again, Daniel was forced to watch as his father abruptly ran out on him when a [[Bumblebee (G1)|mysterious stranger]] stepped into their lives. {{storylink|Extermination}}

===''Mini Mayhem!''===
After a vending machine caught Bumblebee's eye, he wound up spending all of his money on "her." This left him with a surplus of granola bars. He got rid of these by feeding them to Daniel. {{storylink|Mini Mayhem!}}

===''Kre-O'' online comics===
Daniel was caught up in [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]]'s attack on the Autobots. {{storylink|Behemoth Combination! But They're Cute? The Predacon Unit}}

===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
Daniel Witwicky was the son of Spike, husband to [[Llyra]], and father of [[Galen Witwicky|Galen]] and [[Olin Zarak|Olin]]. Daniel succeeded his father as the Headmaster partner to Cerebros; together they were the second set of controllers of the double-Headmaster [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. Some time after the [[Scouring of Nebulos]], the Autobots deployed Fortress Maximus on the colony world [[Master (planet)|Master]]. Unfortunately, Maximus hesitated in this round with [[Scorponok (G1)|MegaZarak]], and the Decepticons held control of the planet.

Some time after the Master War, Daniel was succeeded by Galen as a Maximus controller. It is unknown if Daniel was still alive to witness this and how he felt about Olin joining the Decepticons. {{storylink|A Brush With Infamy–Prologue}}

When Cerebros got wind of the [[Human Confederacy]]'s [[Eutychus Project]], he asked them to resurrect his former human partners, but they refused and gave him the [[Energon Matrix|energon matrix]] instead.

By the late 24th century, an etching of "Daniel Witwicky" existed in the now-stationary Fortress Maximus, along with "[[Galen Witwicky]]" and "[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]]". [[Cerebros (RID)|Plasma]], part of the trio that controlled Fortress Maximus, claimed to be Daniel, among many other individuals related to the giant. {{storylink|Head Games}}

==Games==
===''Transformers Legends''===
Daniel and Arcee encountered a group of Decepticons while hunting for their friends inside Unicron. After fending off an attack by Unicron's internal defenses, the pair managed to reunite with Daniel's father and their other friends and escape before Unicron exploded. {{storylink|Belly of the Beast (Legends)|Belly of the Beast}}

==Toys==
===''Generations'' (Japan)===
[[File:Generationstoy shouki.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Shouki''' (December [[2014]])}}</ul>
:[[Transformers: Generations (Japan)|''Generations'']] Daniel is a [[redeco]] of the ''[[Power Core Combiners]]'' [[Mini-Con]] [[Groundspike#Toys|Groundspike]] in [[Skystalker (G1)|Skystalker]]'s colors, meant to represent an exosuited Daniel disguised as [[Skystalker (G1)|the pilot]] of the ''[[Thunder Arrow]]'' during a secret mission with [[Shouki#Generations_.28Japan.29|Shouki]]. Daniel triple-changes into a bow weapon for Shouki and a pantograph for his train mode.

:Shouki and Daniel were available exclusively to buyers of [[Hero-X|Million Publishing]]'s ''[[Transformers Generations 2014 Vol. 1]]'' book, which included a printed postcard with which to make a mail-away purchase. The deadline for ordering Shouki was September 1, 2014; the same postcard also featured a [[Fan polls#Generations Magazine Exclusive Character Popularity Vote|poll]] to determine the [[Transformers Generations 2014 Vol. 2|second volume]]'s mail-away toy, though that had its own deadline on June 16.
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===''Masterpiece''===
[[File:Masterpiece Bumble Daniel.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Bumble''' (2014-[[November 29|11-29]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number:'' '''MP-21'''

:''Masterpiece'' [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Masterpiece 2|Bumble]] includes a new toy of Daniel clad in the [[exosuit]] he wore in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. The suit can be transformed into vehicle mode. The stock photos (as seen right) have the helmet mistransformed in Vehicle mode, as the helmet should be rotated 90 degrees to make it more in line with cartoon appearance. This move is shown in the instructions.

:While mostly referred to as just "Excelsuit" on the packaging and instructions, the figure is both identified as Spike in one instance of the box back and as Daniel in the lineart included in ''[[The Transformers Masterpiece Official Guide]]''.

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[[File:MP22-UltraMagnus-SpikeDaniel.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Ultra Magnus''' (2014-[[December 27|12-27]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number:'' '''MP-22'''

:''Masterpiece'' MP-22 [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#MP22|Ultra Magnus]] includes articulated figurines of Daniel and his father [[Spike Witwicky (G1)#MP22|Spike]], based on their appearances in the movie and Season 3 of the cartoon. Both can fit in seats inside the truck cab.
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===''Titans Return''===
{{anchor|HasCon}}{{anchor|Titans Return}}
[[File:TitansReturntoy-Leinad.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.67|If you say his name backwards he disappears for 30 years.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Leinad & Arcee''' / '''Ultra Magnus''' (Multi-pack, [[2017]])}}</ul>

: ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' Leinad (''pssst, that's "Daniel" backwards!'') is a [[retool]]ing of [[Titan Master#Toys|Titan Master]] [[Haywire (Targetmaster)#Titans Return|Hyperfire]], a small robot that turns into a head for larger compatible robots; in this case, he becomes [[Arcee (G1)/toys#Titans Return|Arcee]]'s head (based on her [[IDW Publishing|IDW]] design). He has small post-holes in the soles of his feet so he can attach securely to the larger toys in the line, plus a tab on the back of his feet secure him in the various seats and mini-vehicles made for Titan Masters.

: Leinad's listed healing power is focused on the bot he unites with,<ref>Titans Return Arcee's bio note in her instructions</ref> turning Arcee not into a kindly medic, but into an unkillable rapid-healing berserker. Bub.

: Leinad was only available in a special multi-pack with his larger partner Arcee and a Titan Master version of [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Titans Return|Ultra Magnus]]. The set debuted at [[HasCon 2017]] ahead of a later release at [[New York Comic Con]] 2017 and a standard release<ref>[http://io9.gizmodo.com/hasbros-own-convention-will-sell-you-a-giant-transforme-1797331311 Hasbro's Own Convention Will Sell You a Giant Transformer That Actually Charges Your Phone]</ref> at [[Toys"R"Us]].

: This toy also doubles as the independent ''[[Transformers Roleplaying Game]]'' character [[Leinad]].
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===''Studio Series''===
[[File:TF-Studio-Series-86-Daniel-Witwicky.jpg|thumb|upright=1.33]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Dinobot Slug & Daniel Witwicky''' (Leader Class, [[2021]]/[[2023]])}}</ul>
:*''Movie'': '''''The Transformers: The Movie'''''
:*''Hasbro ID number'': '''86-07'''
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SS-71'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[November 27]], 2021
{{toydesigner|[[Evan Brooks]] (Hasbro)|[[Mario Carreiro]], [[Christina Murphy]] and [[Amy Bence]] (packaging),<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/live/52ddGYMyvpE?si=7l7OP6YeEB9W82xR&t=9841 Transformers Panel] at [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2024]] with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Evan Brooks]], [[Mark Maher]], [[Marcelo Matere]], and [[Nate Purswell]].</ref> [[Marcelo Matere]] (packaging artist)}}

:A small, non-transforming figurine of Daniel Witwicky comes packaged with ''[[Studio Series]]'' [[Slag (G1)/toys#Studio Series|Dinobot Slug]], which can ride Slug's dino mode or sit on his robot mode shoulder. He is largely unpainted and can only move his hips and elbows. Daniel can also ride on ''Studio Series'' 86-06 [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Studio Series|Grimlock]]'s dino mode neck or robot mode shoulder. The exo-suit's head dome is actually entirely empty underneath, hence why it's opaque.

:Slug and Daniel were later re-released in 2023 in (presumably) plastic free packaging.
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==Merchandise==
===''Super Collection Figure''===
[[File:SCF Daniel.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|Probably wise not to go with the opaque canopy.]]
*'''Arcee (with Daniel)''' (Super Collection Figure, 2001)
**''Act'': '''4'''
**''Accessories'': Stand

: This small, soft-plastic figurine of Daniel in his [[exosuit]] was released as part of the fourth wave of the ''[[Heroes of Cybertron (toyline)|Super Collection Figure]]'' series, packaged with [[Arcee (G1)/toys#Super Collection Figure|Arcee]]. The exosuit's canopy/dome does not actually ''attach'' to the body, it just kinda stays on with gravity and a prayer. This box comes with ''two'' stands, one for each figure.

: The pair were available in both full color and metallic "pewter" versions, with one of each in every case; the pewter version of Daniel still comes with a clear-plastic canopy. In eight out of every ten cases, the pewter version of the set came with the body of the line's collectible [[Metroplex (G1)#Super Collection Figure|Metroplex]] "build-a-figure", with that assembly coming in either full-color or clear-plastic at an equal 4-to-4 ratio.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Cybertron/Daniel/daniel.htm More information on ''Super Collection Figure'' Daniel at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Cybertron/PewterDaniel/daniel.htm More information on ''Super Collection Figure'' pewter Daniel at TFU.info]''
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===''Brave-Goukin''===
[[File:BraveGoukin exosuit.jpg|thumb|upright=2.33]]
*'''Excel Suit''' (<s>2014</s>)

:A Daniel figure was to be included with [[CM's Corporation]]'s ''Brave-Goukin'' "[[Exosuit#Brave-Goukin|Excel Suit]]" toy, alongside Spike. The figure's head and shoulders would have been removable, allowing you to place Daniel inside the suit, with an alternate "driving" head provided for its vehicle mode. This toy went unreleased following CM's Corporation's bankruptcy.

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==Notes==
[[File:Concept-HeadmasterArcee.jpg|thumb|Every boy dreams of his own car. Daniel is head over wheels for his.]]
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* In [[The Transformers: The Movie (first draft)|the first draft of the movie]], which lacked the twenty-year timeskip, the kid companion named Daniel was still present, but there was no sign of him being related to Spike or any other established character. His mother was a computer scientist named Ellen Prentiss, and his father was unseen and unnamed.
* Daniel is named after Daniel Bacal, son of the cartoon's creative director [[Jay Bacal]].
* While Daniel's age is never given in the cartoon or the movie, all versions of the movie's script state that he is about twelve years old, with every revised version beginning with the second draft consistently describing him as "a classical twelve year old American boy".
* Originally, in Japanese continuity, there was no explanation as to why Daniel did not seem to age between ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' and ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|Transformers 2010]]'', which were separated by a 5-year gap. It was a long-standing, unaddressed continuity error until a brief, obscure blurb in the [[Autorooper]] toy packaging [[retcon]]ned the situation with a note that he was placed in cryogenic stasis for many years after a serious accident.
* A pink [[redeco]] of [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] as Headmaster Arcee was considered by Hasbro/Takara at one time. Presumably, Daniel would have been the Headmaster partner.
* At [[HasCon 2017]], Hasbro representatives pronounced "Leinad" as "Lee-uh-nad".<ref>[https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/133785-the-hascon-2017-thread/?p=3595692 Post by Sabrblade at the Allspark Forums, 2017/09/09]</ref>
* Daniel makes an appearance in the [[Studio Trigger]] "[[Transformers 40th Anniversary Special Movie]]", as part of the group shot of families of human allies to the Autobots.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Daniel Witwicky''' (ダニエル・ウィトウィッキー ''Danieru Witowikkī'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Daniel Witwicky''' (丹尼尔·维特维奇 ''Dānní'ěr Wéitèwéiqí'')

==References==
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Liege Maximo

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Omegatron: /* Age of the Primes */

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[[File:Liegemaximo.jpg|upright=2.3|thumb|Here I go again on my throne.]]
Evil is infinite, a natural counterforce to good in the universe that can never be truly defeated. None strikes greater fear into the [[sparks]] of Transformers than the horned demon, destroyer of worlds—wait, no, that's [[Unicron|his uncle]]. Still, of the [[Thirteen]] primordial deities, there is one whose planet-shaking evil was so unforgivable that—no, wait, that's [[The Fallen|his brother]].

Look, the '''Liege Maximo''' is still pretty evil, okay? Either he's the Prime of pure evil—the inevitable counterpart of the goodness embodied in [[Prima|the first Prime]], the root of [[Decepticon|all evil]], his name [[Maximal#2005 IDW continuity|reverberating through the ages]]—''ooor'' he's the Prime of lies. He's definitely at least one of those.

And what evil plans he has! [[Hot Rod (ES)|Manipulating others]] with his silver tongue, gathering [[Emberstone|artifacts]] and [[Cybertronian (faction)|allies]], biding his time, waiting for the planets to come into [[Hub (G2)|alignment]]. Boy are the Transformers in for it. Darts will be involved! You know—the [[Liegian Darts]]? The Liege Maximo's famous darts. Trust him, it's going to be epic.

==Fiction==
===Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic===
From the Liege Maximo were [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] and the [[Decepticon]]s descended. The Liege Maximo's throne sat at the [[Hub (G2)|Hub]], a network of planetoids created by the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]] that existed in the outer fringes of known space.

With the [[Liege Centuro]] [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] destroyed, Jhiaxus's fleet wiped out by [[Swarm (G2)|The Swarm]], and the [[Autobot]]s and Decepticons united in peace under one banner, [[Rook (G2)|Rook]] reported to the Liege Maximo on the day's devastating events. The Liege Maximo, an ancient and monumental titan, accepted the destruction of Jhiaxus's forces as merely a minor disruption. Sneering at the Transformers' alliance as a fragile thing, the Liege Maximo promised a day of reckoning. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!|A Rage in Heaven!}}

====Alignment====
{{note|"Alignment" was written by [[Simon Furman]] without permission of [[Hasbro]] and is included here as [[pseudocanon]] to provide insight into [[authorial intent]].}}
[[File:Alignment Liege Maximo.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|Woe, darts be upon ye]]
Liege Maximo was one of the [[Thirteen|thirteen original Transformers]] created by [[Primus]]. Unlike his fellows, he had chosen not to [[Reproduction|subdivide]] repeatedly, doing so only selectively. This created a small taint in the Transformer race which spread through subsequent generations, ultimately flowering with the rise of the Decepticons. Because of this sparse sub-division, the Liege Maximo's connection to the divine origins of the Transformer race was comparatively undiluted, and he sought to embrace it. To this end, he instructed Jhiaxus and the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]] to subject various planets to [[cyberforming|eco-structuring]]. These planets were steadily woven together to form the Hub, a massive, resonating structure that would allow him to ascend to the realm of the gods. Two Transformer groups, one led by [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] and one by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]], disrupted this process by forcing the Liege to leave his corporeal body, then destroying both it and his portal. Left with nowhere to go, the Liege Maximo's essence dissipated, and he was destroyed. {{storylink|Alignment}}

====Ask Vector Prime====
In [[Primax 490.0 Gamma]], the Maximo actually became a heroic figure: Unicron devouring Cybertron had caused Primus's essence to be scattered among the surviving Transformers, most of whom were now the Cybertronian Empire. The Liege Maximo would lead this reformed army and the survivors of Cybertron against Unicron, finally battling the Chaos Bringer himself on the astral plane. He saved this reality at the cost of his own spark. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/24}}

In [[Primax 994.0 Gamma]], the Liege Maximo's plot for ascension was foiled by the Autobots, prompting Liege Centuro [[Firecrest]] to move the remnants of the Cybertronian Empire to [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/05}}

===3H comics===
The [[Covenant (group)|Covenant]] witnessed a vision of the ancient past, in which the Liege Maximo tore the [[Matrix of Leadership]] from the defeated [[Primon]]. When and why this happened remain unanswered questions. {{storylink|Covenant (story)|Covenant}}

Centuries later, in a future timeline when Cybertron was ruled by a tyrant named [[Shokaract]], a [[Maximal]] resistance leader known simply as "the [[Swoop (G1)|Veteran]]" reminisced about other tyrants who had come and gone over the years preceding Shokaract's rule. Among these past tyrants was the Liege Maximo. {{storylink|Schism (story)|Schism}}

===''TransTech''===
The city of [[Axiom Nexus]] in the peaceful universe of [[Nexus 208.0 Epsilon]] was able to achieve unimaginable feats in technology and scientific discovery, but these were secretly possible by the amoral experiments of [[Shockwave (TransTech)|Shockwave]] and his master [[Jhiaxus (TransTech)|Jhiaxus]] under a secret government partnership with the Liege Maximo.<ref>[[Shockwave (TransTech)|Shockwave]]'s profile in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 22|''Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club'' #22]].</ref> An archivist named [[Optimus Prime (TransTech)|Optimus]] and the military professional [[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]] exposed [[Sentinel Prime (TransTech)|Sentinel Prime]]'s ties with the Liege Maximo. After a dramatic, violent battle with the Liege Maximo,<ref>[[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]]'s profile in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 24|''Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club'' #24]].</ref> much of the government was caught in this controversy, and as a result, few were left standing when the legal proceedings ended. Optimus became the new [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], and Cybertron entered a new [[Golden Age]], but it was not a complete fresh start, as Megatron convinced the [[High Senate]] to allow Shockwave to continue performing experiments under his guidance, and [[Starscream (TransTech)|Starscream]] miraculously emerged unscathed from the incident despite his heavy involvement.<ref>[[Starscream (TransTech)|Starscream]]'s profile in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 23|''Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club'' #23]].</ref> The TransTechs thereafter considered this incident to be the closest that their Cybertron had ever come to a [[Great War (disambiguation)|Great War]] as most other universal streams had. {{storylink|Rook - Axiom Nexus News: Investigative Journalist|Rook - Axiom Nexus News, 2015/05/06}}

===Aligned continuity family===
====''The Covenant of Primus''====
[[File:TFPLiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|200px|left|"Puny God".]]
Liege Maximo was the eleventh member of the [[Thirteen]] created by [[Primus]] to fight against [[Unicron#Aligned continuity family|Unicron]], and was a master manipulator whose artifact was the [[Liegian Darts]]. Maximo was one of the strategists of the Thirteen, alongside [[Alpha Trion]], [[Quintus Prime|Quintus]], and [[Micronus Prime|Micronus]].

After the defeat of Unicron, Maximo focused on the mining, storage and refining of [[energon]], but grew resentful of [[Prima]] and his allies' interference. Regardless, Maximo acted as an emissary for the different factions within the Thirteen, making use of his natural beguiling charm.

Maximo was ultimately the one who led to the group fracturing, by revealing to the rest that Prima had plotted which of the Primes were the most like Unicron. It was also around this time that it was revealed that Maximo had been experimenting with creating new robotic beasts when he requested a powerful armor suit to deal with them. Prima ordered Maximo to shut down his "[[Farm]]", and it was further revealed by Alpha Trion that Maximo had been pitting the beasts against each other.

Whether Maximo had the right to experiment with the beasts was a source of conflict between the Thirteen and was later resolved by a vote which decided that he did not have the right to do so. However, Maximo convinced [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] to try and retrieve the armor from [[Solus Prime|Solus]]—an action that inadvertently led to Solus's demise and the creation of the [[Well of All Sparks]].

Maximo was revealed have placed a monitoring device on a "pet" that he had given to Solus. When the creature tried to attack Megatronus, he reacted by blasting it—leading to Solus attacking him.

Upon being confronted at the "Farm", Maximo tried to accuse Megatronus of being the true mastermind behind the war beasts by claiming it was all part of Megatronus's need to test himself against them. When Megatronus realized that Maximo had been manipulating and using the Thirteen the whole time, and was trying to blame him, a conflict broke out that led to the Primes being set upon by three massive war beasts.

Once the conflict was over, Maximo was found torn to pieces with his head destroyed by the [[Requiem Blaster (Thirteen)|Requiem Blaster]], though no one was sure who had actually fired the fatal shot. Maximo was buried in a [[Liege Maximo's tomb|tomb]] from where his arm would eventually be taken by [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] to allow him to use the [[Forge of Solus Prime]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus}}

====Aligned novels====
[[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and the Liege Maximo disliked [[Nexus Prime]] due to his favor in the eyes of [[Solus Prime]]. After the betrayal of the Fallen and defeat of Unicron the Liege Maximo plotted against his brothers and made his own play for power. He was defeated and fled to a far galaxy. His premeditated betrayal broke the spirit of [[Vector Prime]]. In the end, he was pursued to that far galaxy by [[Maccadam|Alchemist Prime]]. Though he had no firm information, [[Alpha Trion]] believed Alchemist had succeeded in imprisoning the Liege. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

Like the other members of the [[Thirteen]], Liege Maximo was considered a myth. [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] proclaimed Transformers were free to do as they pleased, without pondering what the long-gone Liege Maximo or his [[The Fallen|treacherous brother]] would think. The [[Hub (G2)|Hub]] once became a part of the [[space bridge]] network during the Golden Age. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus|Exodus}}

====''Prime'' cartoon====
[[File:OneShallRise1-WellofAllSparks.jpg|thumb|300px|Everyone is amazed at the shiny bottomless pit.]]
According to legend, at the beginning of time, [[Unicron#Aligned continuity family|Unicron]] and [[Primus]] battled each other for eons, with neither side remaining victorious for long. Till, that is, Primus created the [[Thirteen]]. These Thirteen defeated Unicron and cast him into space. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}

Liege Maximo eventually died and was placed in a [[Liege Maximo's tomb|tomb]]. The tomb was later visited by [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] and [[Dreadwing (Prime)|Dreadwing]], who took Maximo's arm so that Megatron could use the [[Forge of Solus Prime]]. {{storylink|Alpha/Omega}}

====''Robots in Disguise'' books====
{{quote|Liege Maximo is not necessarily evil, but his petty jealousy and boredom motivate him to be a tricky troublemaker.|''[[The Trials of Optimus Prime]]''}}

After the [[AllSpark]] had been returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Liege Maximo persisted within the [[Realm of the Primes]] with several of the other [[Thirteen]]. Possessing a cape, horns, sharp darts holstered at his waist, and a cackling voice, he saw the training of [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] to ready him for battle against [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] as an opportunity to cause mischief. He began by increasing the deadliness of the holographic Decepticons that [[Micronus Prime|Micronus]] had created, giving them dangerous buzzsaws. Next, he projected an image of Optimus Prime on [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]]'s computer on Earth, laughingly teasing that the Autobots would soon be attacked by him. Later, Liege Maximo's image of Optimus Prime appeared again while the Autobots were battling the escaped Decepticon [[Skinkbomb]], and the fake Optimus called Bumblebee a fool and the Autobots stupid, and that he was going to join the Decepticons. This severely traumatized Bumblebee, which caused Liege Maximo to laugh a lot to himself because he's kind of a tool. Unfortunately, Micronus found out his plans and Bumblebee wised up to his tricks, enraging him into making Optimus Prime's training even harder. Micronus managed to take him down and Optimus dispatched to fake Bee Team, while Maximo faced punishment from his fellow Primes.
{{storylink|The Trials of Optimus Prime}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
{{first|[[The Crucible|''Robots in Disguise'' #34]] (mentioned); [[Rubicon|''Till All Are One'' #8]] (depicted)}}

[[File:OriginMyths-OnyxPrimeAndLiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|"Freedom, freedom is life's great lie. And once you accept that, in your heart... you will know peace."]]

Approximately twelve million years ago, in the primitive era following the departure of the [[Knights of Cybertron]] from their homeworld, Liege Maximo rose to become the monarch of the [[Forgotten Plains]], slaying [[Imperator Maximo]] and [[Praetus Maximo]] to consolidate his power, {{storylink|Origin Myths}} while gathering an army of bestial followers who became known as the "[[Maximal]]s". {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 5: Endless Forever|Endless Forever}}

At some point, Liege Maximo came into contact with the bestial "[[Onyx Prime]]", and formed an alliance with the so-called [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]; {{storylink|Origin Myths}} however, Liege Maximo had not yet learned the truth about his new ally: "Onyx Prime" was a convenient alias for a time-travelling [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]], who had set himself a new mission: to raise a permanent [[Decepticon Empire]] by manipulating all of Cybertron's history. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} {{storylink|Last Stand (Unicron)|Last Stand}}

Through a combination of [[shadowplay]] and manipulation Onyx molded the silver-tongued Liege Maximo into the figure that history would later remember; among Shockwave's modifications were psychic barriers akin to Shockwave's own, so that telepathic [[Outlier (group)|outliers]] could not read his mind. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}} Liege Maximo became an ally of "Onyx", even granting him control over his Maximals and granting them the ability to assume animalistic shapes to enhance Onyx's reputation as the "lord of beasts". {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 5: Endless Forever|Endless Forever}} {{storylink|Stranger Eons}}

By the time that Onyx began enacting his ultimate scheme in earnest, he had already groomed another Cybertronian into the dreaded warrior [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] to provide the primitive planet with a threat to unify against. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} In service of this plan, Onyx and Liege Maximo travelled to the village that would one day become the [[Crystal City]], fabricating a story that Liege had lost his kingdom to Megatronus and his hordes of [[Darklands|Darklander]]s. Onyx introduced him to four Primes, who were deeply unimpressed with him; despite their apprehensions, the group decided to unite, pitting their warriors, joined by the Maximals, against the marauding Darklanders. When their fighting summoned a trio of [[Titan (group)|Titans]] from beneath the surface of Cybertron, the warring factions made peace and all eight Primes agreed to join forces to govern their world. {{storylink|Origin Myths}}

In the age that followed, Liege Maximo became one of the [[Thirteen]], a coalition of Primes who jointly ruled Cybertron. {{storylink|The Crucible}} Each Prime attracted like-minded followers, and the silver-tongued Liege Maximo and his new group of devotees developed a reputation as charismatic diplomats, working to consolidate alliances between the groups. {{storylink|Heavy}} Like the other members of the Thirteen, Liege Maximo won the loyalty of a Titan; in his case, he allied with the mighty warrior [[Vigilem]]. {{storylink|Rubicon}} Unbeknownst to the other members of the Thirteen, Onyx had already turned his attention to destabilizing their alliance—just as history had foretold. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

[[File:FirstWhoWasNamed-LiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|300px|"Remember me as being a super-huge monster with a giant cannon arm!"]]
Cybertronian history would later claim that Maximo had come to realize that a helpful lie could be more useful than a harmful truth, a sentiment that would spread to his followers. {{storylink|Heavy}} How much of this change of heart was due to Onyx's influence is debatable; by the time that Liege Maximo had fully embraced this talent for manipulation, Megatronus had fallen out of favor with their leader [[Prima]] after a disastrous offworld expedition. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} Maximo formed an alliance with Onyx's other pawn, {{storylink|Heavy}} and, on Shockwave's instructions, encouraged him to launch a public coup against their leader. [[Solus Prime]] was slain, and this betrayal would ignite the conflict known as the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]], turning the Thirteen and their tribes against one another and permanently shattering their alliance. {{storylink|The Crucible}} {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} Maximo's plan failed due to one crucial detail: he had failed to take Megatronus's emotions into account, and after killing Solus Prime, his co-conspirator had fled in shame rather than destroying Prima as intended. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

[[File:Rubicon-LiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2|Liege Maximo's escaped! Recruit a team of teenagers with attitude!]]
At some point, Liege Maximo was "betrayed" by [[Micronus Prime]]. {{storylink|White Heat}} Prima, who had correctly suspected Liege Maximo's involvement in Megatronus's betrayal, was able to catch and try him for his crimes. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} His role in the killing of Solus Prime revealed, many of Liege Maximo's followers chose to turn on him. {{storylink|Heavy}} Liege was tried by his fellow Primes, and a suitable sentence was eventually decided: Liege would be imprisoned inside Vigilem, who himself had been subdued by his fellow Titans, and exiled from Cybertron forever, trapped within his lobotomized servant: {{storylink|Rubicon}} a process carried out by Onyx Prime himself. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} One group of former followers chose to become his jailers, ensuring that their charge would never escape; in repentance for following the deceitful Prime, they swore off lying forever {{storylink|Heavy}} and eventually came to regard deception as the ultimate crime. When the people of Vigilem, now "Carcer", joined the [[Council of Worlds]], {{storylink|The Will of the Few}} they chose to keep Maximo's existence a secret, fearing that his existence could sow undue strife. {{storylink|Heavy}}

For his many crimes, Liege Maximo would come to be remembered by many names in many different Cybertronian societies, including the "Great Betrayer" {{storylink|Rubicon}} and "The Prime of Lies". {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}}

Eons later, the younger [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]] sent one of his [[Regenesis]] ores to a planet associated with Liege Maximo, {{storylink|The Crucible}} though he himself was unaware of this connection thanks to the actions of this time-travelling future self. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

Liege Maximo remained imprisoned until the year [[2017]], when a crisis on Cybertron prompted a desperate [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] to reawaken Vigilem. {{storylink|Desperate Measures (Till All Are One)|Desperate Measures}} Though [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] and her crew put up a fight, the Titan set about releasing his master. Elita was able to kill the Titan, but not before he finally released Maximo, unleashing a burst of energy that knocked out everyone who had tried to stop the ancient Prime. Free once more, Maximo mocked [[Strika (BM)|Strika]] before thanking Vilgilem for his service, promising to avenge his Titan before teleporting away. {{storylink|Rubicon}}

[[File:TheChosenOne-Circuit.jpg|thumb|300px|Artist rendition by senior ''*cough*'' the news staff's senior artist.]]
As Cybertron attempted to rebuild from this crisis, Elita warned [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]] and several Council members present for the events aboard Carcer that Maximo would soon take his revenge by destroying Cybertron. Fearing that news of his return could cause panic and division amongst the people of Cybertron, Elita argued that they would need to keep the truth hidden to ensure that Cybertron would stay strong and united when he inevitably came back. By a vote of three to two, the Council opted to keep Maximo's freedom a secret for the time being, and Starscream later released [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] on the condition that she hunt down Liege Maximo and bring his head back to Starscream. {{storylink|Heavy}} Chromia was provided with a ship and a crew in the form of [[Greenlight]] and [[Lancer]] to hunt down the ancient Prime. {{storylink|The Chosen One}}

During the [[Iron Ring]]'s attack on Iacon some months later, Elita One and [[Knock Out (G1)|Knock Out]] agreed that Liege Maximo was the greater threat, one that was worth killing all humans in Iacon to focus on. {{storylink|First Strike issue 4|First Strike #4}}

[[File:OP15-LiegeChained.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2|Liege Maximo, Prime of Kinks.]]
When Windblade was due to properly retake her place on the Council of Worlds, she surveyed the damage done to Iacon and wondered if Liege Maximo would even have anything to tear down. Learning that the public was not yet aware of Liege Maximo's freedom was the final straw for her. Catching up with [[Circuit (G1)|Circuit]] and [[Longtooth]], Windblade exposed the truth about the events surrounding "Carcer" and told them of Maximo's inevitable return. The news made waves in Cybertronian society, sparking off protests against the Council's duplicity, and kindling feelings of anger, terror, and in at least one case, religious sympathy for the fallen Prime. {{storylink|The Chosen One}}

At some point, Liege Maximo came into contact with Onyx Prime again as his old ally made a course for Cybertron aboard [[Nemesis (BW)|Nemesis]]; in order to win the Council of Worlds' good graces, Onyx pretended to have taken Liege Maximo prisoner, "delivering" him to Cybertron so that he could be tried for his crimes once more. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}} Onyx brought Maximo to the [[Spire]] so that he could convince the Council that neither he nor his forces were a threat, assigning a pair of Maximals to stand guard over him. Maximo was soon visited by a suspicious [[Soundwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Soundwave]], who had his doubts about Onyx's pageantry; when he attempted to read Maximo's mind, he found that he could hear nothing thanks to Shockwave's shadowplay. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}} When Onyx detonated a bomb in the Spire to sow confusion, Maximo easily slipped his chains {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 3: The Ground|The Ground}} and rejoined Onyx—now unmasked as Shockwave—as the purple Decepticon monologued to an imprisoned [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

Shockwave then ordered Liege Maximo to take a detachment of Maximals to finish off the survivors of [[Metrotitan (G1)|Metrotitan]], whom Shockwave had shot down; despite Maximo's grumbling, he complied, and his forces wound up battling [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]]. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}} Though Arcee was able to take down dozens of Maximals, she was eventually taken prisoner by their leader, who brought her back to Nemesis on Shockwave's orders. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 5: Endless Forever|Endless Forever}}

Using supplies of Shockwave's gravity-warping [[Ore-4]], Maximo used its powers to begin levitating himself, his prisoners, and Arcee back up to the ship... only for his captive to take advantage of the weightless environment to break free and destroy the Ore-4 crystal responsible for suspending them in midair. The helpless Liege Maximo plummeted from the sky and crashed into [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]'s shoulder at terminal velocity, dashing his body to bits. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 6: Unforgivable|Unforgivable}}
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===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
[[Ser-Ket (BWU)|Ser-Ket]] claimed to be part of a warrior lineage that stretched back to the Liege Maximo and others. {{storylink|Head Games}}

===Fun Publications===
[[File:AphroditeLiegeMaximoAVP.jpg|thumb|The original [[shellformer]].]]
Though Vector Prime would claim that history was likely correct to record Liege Maximo as a "monster", he still had many happy memories of times shared with his brother from before the falling out between the Thirteen, {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/14}} and thought of his actions more as "tragic" than evil. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/12}} He recalled his brother's skill at social gatherings, and his ability to spin incredible stories, {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/05/15}} including tales of the [[Covenant (group)|Covenant]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/10}} During the Thirteen's time in ancient Greece, Liege's female holomatter avatar—which, thanks to Liege's flair for the dramatic, first manifested by appearing out of the sea in a giant shell—inspired the myth of Aphrodite. By this time, he had formed an enmity with Solus, who manifested in Greece as the male Hephaestus, and Prima had them "bonded" together in hopes they could work through their differences. Naturally, this only resulted in further conflict; "Interesting times," Vector called them. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/08}} He also noted that legends claimed that the god [[Xal]] might merely be another name for Liege Maximo, but could say nothing with certainty. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/12}}

When the quantum membrane between the wider multiverse and the [[Uniend]] Cluster was punctured, Vector Prime began to experience memories of the Uniend incarnation of Liege Maximo, and expressed surprise at the existence of an iteration of his brother who had died before founding an empire of his own. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/14}}

As Nexus Prime brought together the [[Terminus Blade]] and the [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|Star Saber]], his fellow Thirteen including Liege Maximo were drawn to his actions. These multiversal singularities were splintered and scattered by the act, making them into repeating parallel, but variable, versions of themselves throughout the multiverse instead of the singular beings they were before. {{storylink|Out of the One, Many}}

===''Power of the Primes'' toy bios===
Liege Maximo's [[Spark]] passed into the possession of one of the twelve [[Prime Master]]s; hidden within a suit of decoy armor, they safeguarded the abilities of the Primes until the present day. By uniting with a larger Transformer, the Prime Master could channel the powers of Liege Maximo's Spark and grant them unique abilities that varied with each new partner. {{storylink|#Generations|''Power of the Primes'' Skullgrin / Liege Maximo online bio}}

{{note|For a list of every permutation of Liege Maximo's abilities, see [[Prime Master/Combinations|this link]].}}

===''Cyberverse'' cartoon===
Liege Maximo was one of the [[Thirteen]]. {{storylink|Dweller In The Depths (Cyberverse)|Dweller In The Depths}} {{storylink|Silent Strike}} {{storylink|The Other One}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
Liege Maximo was one of the Thirteen Primes. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Sea of Rust I|Sea of Rust I}} Along with the other Thirteen, he bore witness to Cybertron at the earliest stage of its development as a world. {{storylink|End of Time}}

===''One'' film===
[[File:TransformersOne-AmalgamousLiegeMaximoholograms.jpg|left|thumb|300px|I'm on the right! So they say.]]
[[File:TransformersOne-LiegeMaximocave.jpg|right|thumb|300px|I'll become green one way or another!!!!]]
Liege Maximo and the other twelve Primes were created by [[Primus]] at the dawn of Cybertron, and they ruled Cybertron benevolently through its Golden Age. When a war with the Quintessons threw the planet into a protracted, violent conflict, the Primes' secretary, [[Sentinel Prime (One)|Sentinel Prime]], herded the [[Thirteen]] into a Quintesson ambush within a remote cave. [[Quintesson Soldier]]s swarmed the cave and overwhelmed Liege Maximo, presumably killing him before Sentinel Prime could murderously betray the rest of his brethren. Fifty cycles later, Liege Maximo's corpse, frozen into a defensive position, was found in this cave by [[Optimus Prime (One)|Orion Pax]], [[Megatron (One)|D-16]], [[Elita-1 (One)|Elita-1]], and [[Bumblebee (One)|B-127]].

A vision of Liege Maximo and the other Primes later appeared as Alpha Trion declared a damaged Orion Pax to be the next wielder of the [[Matrix of Leadership]], Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Transformers One (film)|Transformers One}}
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===Energon Universe===
After Optimus Prime found himself in the [[Hall of the Primes]], he saw a statue of Liege Maximo among the others. {{storylink|Transformers (2023) issue 22|Transformers #22}}

===''EarthSpark'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Nolan North]] (English)|[[David Krüger]] (French), [[Octavio Rojas]] (Latin American-Spanish), }}

[[File:LegacyofHope-LiegeMaximoRobbyMalto.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Evil... is infinite! But can be contained within a cape.]]

Long ago, [[Optimus Prime (ES)|Optimus Prime]] and the [[Thirteen|other Primes]] were forced to defeat and contain their brother, Liege Maximo, in a "lightless void" and remove all mention of him from Cybertronian history. Liege considered this a betrayal, and after he secretly escaped his imprisonment, he tracked down and murdered each of the other Primes one by one so he could confiscate their [[Artifacts of the Primes|thirteen powerful Artifacts]]. Intending to resume his original plan from before his defeat, just this time without the other Primes, he prepared to recreate [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] as his seat of power from which he would terraform other planets into sources of [[Energon]]. But to accomplish this, he needed Optimus Prime's [[Matrix of Leadership]] and [[Quintus Prime]]'s [[Emberstone]], the latter of which had been transformed into the [[cyber-sleeve]]s worn by the [[Earth]] children [[Robby Malto|Robby]] and [[Mo Malto]].

[[File:LegacyofHope-RequiemBlaster.jpg|right|thumb|300px|This gun isn't infinite, but is still pretty big.]]

By this point, nearly all the Transformers on Cybertron had become followers of Liege Maximo, seeing no other way to survive. This was because Liege had claimed Optimus Prime had destroyed the [[AllSpark]] which had resulted in the very planet itself leaching energy from its denizens. When [[Hot Rod (ES)|Hot Rod]], under Liege's command, learned that the Emberstone still lived on in the cyber-sleeves, Liege tasked him with retrieving the Emberstone and had him use one of Liege Maximo's own artifacts, the [[Liegian Darts]], to draw it out of the cyber-sleeves.

Unbeknownst to Liege's followers, whom he ruled over with intimidation and a strict control over their Energon supply, Liege himself had hidden the AllSpark under his base and had used one of his darts to turn it from a life-giving artifact into a life-draining one.

When the dart was eventually removed by Robby Malto and the AllSpark was returned to normal, Liege's former followers realized he had lied to them and abandoned him to be fought and eventually defeated by the Malto family and their allies. {{storylink|Legacy of Hope}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers: Forged to Fight''===
While assisting the heroic Autobots of this universe, [[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]] invoked the name of the noble and honorable Liege Maximo, wishing that his light would shine on his new comrades. {{storylink|Shattered Bridges}}

===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
;'''Liege Maximo Core'''
[[File:Earth Wars Liege Maximo Core.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6]]

Liege Maximo's [[Prime Master#Transformers: Earth Wars|Prime Core]] (his "heart" as one of the primordial [[Thirteen|Thirteen Primes]]) fell to Earth under mysterious circumstances along with those of his siblings to become a hotly contested resource in the [[Earth Wars (conflict)|Earth Wars]]. {{storylink|Power of the Primes (Earth Wars)|Power of the Primes}}

*'''Effect:''' Hack nearby enemy [[Transformers: Earth Wars#Standard Bots|Bot]]s for a limited time. You are immune to hacking.

[https://tfew.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4733780017183-Prime-Cores-Bot Liege Maximo Core at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]

{{chargamestub|{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}}}

===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
Liege Maximo was known as the "Prime of Lies", and supposedly helped tear the Thirteen apart. A shadowy manipulator who wielded poisonous [[Liegian Darts]], Liege Maximo relied on minions and proxies, who created mighty empires in his name. Humans sometimes knew him as {{w|Aphrodite}}. {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}}

==Toys==
===''Prime''===
[[File:Primetoy-FinalBattleMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Because it would be <s>non-aerodynamic</s> silly to mount the saber onto the back of the vehicle mode like a giant tail-fin.]]
<ul class = "iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Final Battle Megatron''' ([[February 25]], [[2013]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''AM-33'''
:''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Prime]]'' [[Megatron (WFC)/toys#Darkest|Final Battle Megatron]]'s right forearm is decoed (but sadly not remolded) to resemble Liege Maximo's forearm that he substitutes for his own in those episodes.
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===''Power of the Primes''===
[[File:PowerOfThePrimestoy-LiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|My alt-mode is a garden tool?]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Liege Maximo''' (Prime Master, [[2018]])}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''PP-02'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': '''[[May 25]], [[2018]]'''
:*''Accessories'': [[Skullgrin#Power of the Primes|Skullgrin]] decoy armor, claw
:*''Known designers'': [[John Warden]] (Hasbro), [[Robby Musso]] (concept artist)

:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' Liege Maximo is a [[Prime Master]] with Skullgrin decoy armor, visually based on the original [[Pretender]]'s inner robot and shell.

:This toy has identical features to the other Prime Masters in the line. The decoy armor has a weapon piece which can fold out to create a weapon mode, or detach and be held in the armor's 3 mm-compatible hand. The [[Titan Master]]-like robot can store inside the decoy armor or ride [[Size class|Legends Class]] figures in vehicle mode, and is fully compatible with toys from the previous ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' line. The "Power Swap" gimmick means its [[spark]] form can plug onto any decoy armor's weapon form (which has a [[5 mm post]] to be held by larger figures), Deluxe Class figures' chest armor, Voyager Class figures' bucklers, Leader Class figures' [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Power of the Primes|Matrix]] (in place of their Matrix core), [[combiner]]s' torsos (in place of their [[Enigma of Combination#Power of the Primes|Enigma of Combination]]), or the [[Scepter of Sparks#Generations|Scepter of Sparks]]. With the power of [[you]]r imagination, this bestows the Prime Master's [[Prime Master/Combinations|unique power]] on the larger figure.

:Depending on the individual copy, the peg holes on Liege Maximo's legs varies from normal size to near-shallow, which the latter makes him somewhat prone to falling off from the decoy armor's weapon form. Unlike every other Titan Master/Prime Master, Liege Maximo and his fellow first wave Prime Masters feature backpacks/symbols secured by pins instead of screws.

:Liege Maximo/Skullgrin was retooled with a new [[Prime Master]] sigil and decoy armor front as [[The Fallen/toys#Power of the Primes|The Fallen]]/[[Bomb-Burst (G1)#Power of the Primes|Bomb-Burst]].
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===''Age of the Primes''===
[[File:AgeofthePrimestoy-LiegeMaximo.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Evil... is infinite! Or $59.99.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-pr11|'''The Thirteen Liege Maximo''' (Leader Class, [[2026]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': horns, 3 [[Liegian Darts]], launcher
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro), [[Hisashi Yuki]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref>[[February 3]], [[2026]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzWSj4wlnqM Transformers Age of the Primes Deep Dive | In-Hand Look at the New Wave | February 2026] on YouTube, with [[Evan Brooks]], [[Mark Maher]] and [[Nate Purswell]].</ref>

:''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]]'' Liege Maximo was released as part of the fourth wave of Leader Class figures in the line, based primarily on his original ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Generation 2 comic]]'' design, but with elements from his [[Aaron Archer]] concept design (see the gallery below) filling in some of the gaps (such as his shoulder pads and belt), with the rest being an original design. His new giant back horns come packaged separately in the box, allowing you to leave them off for a more comic-accurate appearance, or held as blasters, if you so desire. The same horn assembly can also plug into the back of [[Starscream_(G1)/toys#Studio_Series|''Studio Series'' Starscream]]'s throne, allowing Liege Maximo to sit in it and recreate his iconic first (and only) appearance in the comic.

:Liege Maximo comes with three of his signature Liegian Darts cast in translucent red plastic, designed to resemble the spaceships from a [[Geoff Senior]] illustration of the Liege Maximo produced for the unofficial "[[Alignment]]" story by [[Simon Furman]], as well as a new launcher accessory which the darts can plug into. Additionally, his left arm features a flip-out cannon cast in the same translucent plastic as the darts, allowing you to recreate the arm cannon he possessed in the G2 comic. He transforms into a very abstract-looking spaceship, with its general shape and hull seemingly inspired by the [[Mothership]]s from ''[[Dark of the Moon]],'' if those also had giant horns. His launcher accessory can be stored on the underside of the "nose" of this mode.

:The horns are not attached to his head, instead being part of a separate, unarticulated section behind the head. He has a [[humanization|nose and mouth]], with the red part of his jaw interpreted as a mask/chinstrap, rather than the maw it is sometimes perceived as.

::*''[https://www.instagram.com/p/DUl9pzSlO6o/ Designer commentary on ''Age of the Primes'' Liege Maximo from Mark Maher on Instagram]''

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==Notes==
[[File:AOTP Liege Maximo key art.jpg|thumb|I guess we know to which [[Energon bloodline]] [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] belongs.]]
*"Liege Maximo" was likely meant to be this character's title or rank, while his proper name remained unknown, but subsequent uses of the character have treated Liege Maximo as the character's name (or, in some cases, "Liege" as his name and "Maximo" as a title in the vein of "Prime"). Jhiaxus has a similar title, [[Liege Centuro]].
*Liege Maximo, was, at one point, established as a [[multiversal singularity]] who existed as one being throughout all of time and space, but that is [[Shroud|no longer the case]].
*In November 2007, [[Simon Furman]] cryptically hinted that the Liege Maximo would make a return in 2008 in IDW's comics.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/script-wrap-15/#comment-1938|quote=Actually, I’m saving LM for something else BIG that’s happening in 08.|name=Simon Furman|site=Simon Furman: The Blog|year=2007|month=11|day=19|title=SCRIPT (W)RAP}}</ref> It didn't happen under his pen, however, and Liege Maximo wouldn't make his IDW debut until over 9 years later, in [[Rubicon|''Till All Are One'' #8]].
*Liege Maximo's "Aligned" design, by [[Eric Siebenaler]], seems to have been heavily inspired by the [[Marvel Comics]] version of {{w|Loki (comics)|Loki}}; fitting enough for a manipulator and liar. Contrary to what you might expect, this was ''not'' done as a response to the massive spike in popularity that Loki would get as portrayed by {{w|Tom Hiddleston}} in 2011's {{w|Thor (film)|''Thor''}}; his artwork was first shown at [[BotCon 2010]], prior to the film's Loki's design even being revealed—and, indeed, Aligned Liege Maximo seems to be based much more heavily on the classic "ugly old man" Loki than Hiddleston's youthful hunk.
*The dead Prime seen in the ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' episode "[[Alpha/Omega]]" is identified as Liege Maximo in ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus]]''. The concurrently published ''[[Transformers: The Art of Prime|Art of Prime]]'' claims that it is [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Sentinel Prime]], but that doesn't make sense, since Sentinel is not a true Prime and, as such, his limb would not convey the power to use the Forge on Megatron. The dead Prime's arm in ''Prime'' is red-colored, which neither Sentinel nor Maximo are; it may be due to influence from [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|the live-action Sentinel]].
*The death of Liege Maximo in the ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|Covenant of Primus]]'' is also at odds with other stories from Aligned continuity. The [[Transformers: Exiles|''Exiles'' novel]] reports that Alchemist Prime left Cybertron to hunt down and capture Liege Maximo, while the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]] and [[The Trials of Optimus Prime|related materials]] show Liege Maximo as active in the [[Realm of the Primes]]. This is one of the larger examples of Aligned continuity's "It only works if you squint" rule towards the overall timeline.
*Behind-the-scenes concept art from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Cyberverse]]'' mislabels Liege Maximo's plinth in the Realm of the Primes as "Siege Maximo". Translating the words on the plinth, however, gives the correct name.<ref>[https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/025/493/315/large/nicolaas-frankefort-prime-slabs.jpg?1585959977 Concept art of "Prime slabs"]</ref>
*In [[2023]], [[Aaron Archer]] revealed on a personal stream several concept sketches of the Thirteen he had made sometime during the 2000s, when Hasbro was still developing the full roster for what would eventually become the [[Aligned continuity family]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Really we were trying to create a representation of each of the classic Transformer forms. So as I was creating the Thirteen, some had been figured out, right? So Megatronus I think, Liege Maximo, Alpha Trion I believe were already named characters... but then I tried to figure out how to bring the concept of beasts and combiners [and the Mini-Cons] and different elements into the concept, so that you had the whole pantheon of gods, different shapes and sizes and whatnot. So I went through and I drew kind of visions of what they could be. So this is not trying to figure the character out, but get the vibe of what the character was about, other talented people would come in behind me and do that. So there's like the idea that—why did the Quintessons think that they might have made the Transformers? Well they come from the guy that was like the Johnny Appleseed, or the character that seeded some of the planets, so they were confused... try to shore up some of these ideas for the Aligned continuity, right? Here's an elemental kind of concept, gears and metal and magnetism, kind of a proto-Transformer, kind of weird thing. [...] Here's another weird version of Megatronus, how big he is compared to like what Megatron would have been.|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQLQ4VzuCGA&t=689s|name=Aaron Archer|site=''The Toy Armada''|title=Toy Armada Friday night LIVE: Creating characters and lore|year=2023|month=05|day=26}}</ref> At this stage in development, the Liege Maximo's design was heavily inspired by the original G2 comic design instead of being based on Loki. In a bizarre deep cut, this early concept design was used as the basis for the character's appearance in the ''[[Age of the Primes]]'' key art and other promotional images.
*''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)|EarthSpark]]'' Liege Maximo was designed by [[Nick Roche]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=IT ME|link=https://bsky.app/profile/nickroche.bsky.social/post/3maoucmwxxc2w|name=Nick Roche|site=Bluesky|year=2025|month=12|day=23}}</ref> One of the concept designs for his head was a much more G2-inspired look, seen in the gallery below.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Liege Maximo''' (リージマキシモ ''Rīji Makishimo'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Maximo Dàdì''' (马克西莫大帝 ''Mǎkèxīmò Dàdì'', "Maximo the Great")

==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:LiegeMaximoAaronArcherSketch.jpg|A concept sketch created by Aaron Archer in the 2000s
File:Liege Maximo-Sara Pitre Durocher-TAAO-model.jpg|2005 IDW comic continuity
File:IDW2 The Liege Maximo.jpg|2019 IDW continuity
File:One-Liege-Maximo.jpg|''One'' film
File:LiegeMaximo-earthspark-stock.jpg|''EarthSpark'' cartoon
File:Elm.jpg|''EarthSpark'' concept art
</gallery>

==References==
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Ratchet (Animated)

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Omegatron: /* Age of the Primes */

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{{disambig3|Ratchet}}
:''Ratchet is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Animated continuity family]].''
[[File:AniRatchetPromoModel.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Rassa-frassa [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|KIDS]] with their [[Bumblebee (Animated)|loud music]] and their [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|rocket-powered axes]]...]]

Before the [[Great War (Animated)|Great Wars]], '''Ratchet''' was a [[Protihex Medical Mechanics University|civilian mechanic]], and one of the best on all of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. But war is hell, and Ratchet learned that all too well. It left him bitter and cynical. After the war, he got himself placed in a dead end position of repairing [[space bridge]]s, seeing it as a chance to get away from what he had experienced. And in his experience, "hero" is another word for casualty, because that's what most of the heroes ended up being. Still, he knows one when he sees it, and [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] definitely is one.

His main "weapons" are two electromagnets that can extend from his forearms. With them, he can move metal-based objects, levitate downward from high heights, manipulate or tear apart metallic objects in midair, or create magnetic shields. More recently, he won his [[electromagnetic pulse]] generator back from [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] the bounty hunter, a device capable of knocking out a [[Transformer]].

He enjoys grumbling about almost everything, being sarcastic, and having war flashbacks, just like any old man.

{{quote|You're a ''tough'' old model, aren't you?|[[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] shows his grudging respect|"[[This Is Why I Hate Machines]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
{{Idw-tfa}}
{{voiceactor|[[Corey Burton]] (English), [[Tōru Ōkawa]] (Japanese)|[[Horst Lampe]] (German), [[Dariusz Stach]] (Polish), [[Sidney Lilla]] (Portuguese), [[Stefano Albertini]] (Italian), [[Javier Rodríguez]] (Latin American Spanish, seasons 1 and 2), [[Eleazar Osorio]] (Latin American Spanish, season 3), [[Javier López]] (Castilian Spanish), [[Chae-heon Im]] (Korean), [[Petri Hanttu]] (Finnish), [[Sylvain Lemarié]] (French)}}

[[File:BotsofScience-RatchetOilslick.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Millions of years ago, knee-insignia were all the rage.]]
''Millions of years ago, Ratchet arrived at [[Hydrax Plateau]] looking for survivors of a Decepticon chemical attack, which had slaughtered soldiers from both sides. The only survivor was a Decepticon named [[Oil Slick (Animated)|Oil Slick]]. Against orders, Ratchet tried to save his life. Oil Slick, however, revealed he had the formula for an antidote to the chemical, known to the grunts as "[[Cosmic Rust (disease)|cosmic rust"]], but he lacked the equipment to create it. Ratchet warily agreed to help, and as they worked, tried to learn a little bit more about who was fighting. Once the cure was complete, Ratchet used it on Oil Slick, who promptly revealed he had created the cosmic rust, didn't care if his own soldiers got killed, and infected Ratchet before driving off. However, Ratchet had managed to snag some of the antidote, so he used a little on himself and took the rest back to headquarters for mass production, regretfully realizing he'd learned a little bit about a good deception that day.'' {{storylink|The Arrival issue 3#"'Bots_of_Science"|'Bots of Science}} {{storylink|Bots of Science}}

[[File:Ratchetanimatedthrill.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Before the gut.]]
Some time later, Ratchet was sent by [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] on a wartime mission to recover Autobot intelligence officer [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]], who was carrying important security codes in her memory core. Shortly after he found her, the pair were captured by the [[Decepticon]]-affiliated bounty hunter [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]]. The hunter made a habit of collecting the powers of defeated enemies as trophies and did so with Ratchet's medical EMP device. Before he could attach it, Arcee was able to pass the device to Ratchet, and she begged him to use it on her to wipe the codes and preserve their safety. In the ensuing skirmish with Lockdown, the device accidentally produced a wider blast, erasing Arcee's entire memory. Ratchet would have flashbacks of the incident for centuries to come. During the skirmish, Ratchet lost his hold on his EMP generator, Lockdown claiming it as a trophy. {{storylink|The Thrill of the Hunt}}

[[File:TransWarped-youngRatchetArcee.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|In your heeeeeaad, in your heeeeead, zombie zombie zombie-ee-ee...]]
After returning Arcee to Autobot territory, Ratchet was ordered by Ultra Magnus to perform open processor surgery on Arcee to retrieve the access codes. As the operation began, Arcee uploaded the codes into Ratchet's processor, so he was conducted to a secret hangar and introduced to [[Project Omega]] a.k.a. Omega Supreme. [[Perceptor (Animated)|Perceptor]], along with [[Highbrow (Animated)|Highbrow]] and Ultra Magnus, explained that Omega was the Autobots' last line of defense against the Decepticons and that the codes that Arcee was carrying were for Omega's activation. Arcee was supposed to be Omega's mentor to imprint upon and take orders from, but now Ratchet had inherited her role. Hearing that Omega had been built with a simple processor in order to carry out his duties with no remorse, Ratchet refused to teach him to be a weapon of mass destruction and instead tried to instruct him to be an Autobot.

[[File:TransWarped-Ratchetaltmode.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Ratchet's older than the wheel.]]

Upon winning the Great War against a massive Decepticon onslaught, Omega was damaged extensively and at risk of losing his Spark. Ratchet was able to put him into a modified stasis until he could repair the giant. Before going into stasis, Omega questioned how he could be an Autobot but destroy like a Decepticon. The best assurance Ratchet could offer was, "We do what we must, even though sometimes it doesn't make sense", and he coaxed the giant Autobot to rest. {{storylink|TransWarped}} Ratchet stayed with Omega after he'd been repurposed as a space bridge repair vessel. During one repair, Ratchet dropped an explosive down a shaft, destroying [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]'s [[Dawn Treader|starship]], leading the cyber-ninja to sign onto the crew for a lift back to Cybertron. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}}

During a routine repair assignment with Optimus Prime's crew, Ratchet and the rest of the group found the [[AllSpark]]. His first reaction upon seeing it was to urge the others to throw it through the space bridge. However, events soon overtook them when [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] arrived and tried to claim the AllSpark. The Autobots took their ship through the space bridge, where Prime defeated Megatron, and the crew was forced to go into stasis to avoid injury in a crash-landing on [[Earth]].

Awakening fifty years later, the Autobots went to help battle a renegade nanomachine construct, while Ratchet studied a specimen of the construct on the ship. Learning that it was vulnerable in its command centers, Ratchet sent a kill program to the Autobots to place in the monster. His program worked.

[[File:TFA Home Spark assembly attack.JPG|left|upright=1.4|thumb]]
Ratchet had the most difficulty getting used to Earth's customs, as the humans kept interrupting his stasis naps to put parking tickets on him. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}} {{storylink|Dispatches}} To make things more complicated, those annoying camera bots followed the Autobots everywhere. Always watching, waiting... Ratchet was sure to make his displeasure over the Autobots' current situation heard as he helped assemble their new secret base. He was nonetheless exposed to some of Earth's culture when Sari came over to have a "slumber party" with them. The activities only served to confuse Ratchet further on Earth's customs. The sleep-over was interrupted by the base's machinery going haywire and attacking the Autobots. Despite trying to shield himself with his magnetic powers, Ratchet was damaged in the attack, sidelining him for most of it. Thankfully, Bumblebee managed to shut down all of the machinery. One last act of sabotage had to be dealt with however, and Ratchet worked in tandem with Bulkhead, Prowl and Optimus to get rid of a leaking fuel tank before it blew all of them to smithereens. In the attack's aftermath, Ratchet pointed out that they had dealt with an intelligence sophisticated enough to merge their base's security sensors with its assembly line. Things eventually simmered down, and Ratchet looked on as the team's younger 'bots played a game of Twister™ with Sari. {{storylink|Home Is Where the Spark Is}}

Ratchet joined Optimus, Prowl and Bulkhead in an attempt to learn more about Earth customs by watching television, only to stumble across a broadcast of Bumblebee wrestling [[Colossus Rhodes]]. When it became apparent that Rhodes had gone berserk, Ratchet and the Autobots sped to Bumblebee's aid. Ratchet used his magnetic powers to prevent his tiny team-mate from being smushed flat by a car Rhodes hurled at him. Smarting over the public embarrassment, Rhodes's employer and Isaac Sumdac's rival [[Meltdown (Animated)|Prometheus Black]]—aka the acidic mutate Meltdown—sought revenge, sabotaging Sumdac's new police drones; Ratchet was able to expose Black's involvement when Sari brought him a piece of drone to examine, and he observed the effects of a powerful corrosive on it. Seeking to protect Sumdac from further reprisals by Black, the Autobots headed for Sumdac Tower, only to find that Black had already been sealed inside with Sumdac by a force-field security system. Ratchet used his magnetic powers to open a small hole in the field, allowing Bumblebee and Sari to enter and deactivate it while Ratchet and the others held off Colossus Rhodes. Using her key, Sari then channeled the tower's force-field through Ratchet's magnets, allowing him to trap Black in a force-field bubble and end his threat. {{storylink|Total Meltdown}}

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''Ratchet was with the rest of the team when they watched a news broadcast, showing Prowl and Bumblebee inadvertently exposing the [[Wraith]]'s modus operandi. Later, when Bumblebee apprehended Colossus Rhodes, Ratchet helped sign autographs for the grateful Detroiters. Later still, when the Autobots saw "Bumblebee" attack Michigan Stadium, Ratchet helped clear the little Autobot's name by halting what was really a plot by the increasingly jealous and irrational Wraith.'' {{storylink|The Arrival issue 2|Attention Surplus Disorder}}

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''Ratchet joined the rest of the Autobots into investigating a theft at Sumdac's laboratories. They found out that the crime in question had been committed by an industrial saboteur going by the name of "[[Stiletto (Animated)|Stiletto]]". She soon attempted to collapse Detroit's Ambassador Bridge, prompting the Autobots to leap into action. During the confrontation, Ratchet helped repair the bridge to prevent it from collapsing beneath their feet. He then stopped Stiletto from making a quick getaway, using his magnetic abilities to grab her motorcycle from beneath her. Ultimately, Optimus managed to capture Stiletto, and Ratchet would later be seen helping fix the Autobots injured during the battle at their headquarters.'' {{storylink|The Arrival issue 3|Stiletto}}

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''Ratchet and the other Autobots had to calm Bulkhead down when Porter C. Powell began to market the template for Bulkhead's altmode as a vehicle for the everyday citizen, and further rubbed salt in the wound by using highly-doctored footage to have Bulkhead "promote" the vehicle. After Bulkhead had a confrontation with the Angry Archer and Professor Princess, Ratchet examined a piece of a Bulkhead retrieved from the crime scene by the same-named Autobot. His analysis proved that the vehicles were highly unsafe for day-to-day commute. Sari and Bulkhead worked together to prove that the Bulkheads were unsafe, and Powell was forced to recall the line. Afterwards, Ratchet pondered as to who in their right processor would be willing to parade about in one of the garish paint-jobs that many Bulkheads had been customized with... only for Bumblebee to enter the room with an equally garish new color-scheme.'' {{storylink|The Arrival issue 4|The Insincerest Form of Flattery}}

Sari invited the Autobots to visit her father's theme-park, "[[Dino Drive]]", which featured robotic dinosaurs. Being his usual curmudgeon self, Ratchet was sure to make it known that he wasn't impressed by how old the Dinosaurs were... after all, the Autobots were much older! Though their first visit ended in disaster for the animatronics, the Autobots' second visit to the park was a little more eventful, as the animatronics attacked back! Teaming up with Bumblebee, Ratchet unleashed an electro-magnetic pulse to shut down the "[[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]]". But when Sari used her key to boost their attack, she unwittingly granted the trio Sparks. Later, the Dinobots awoke in full consciousness, and began running wild in Detroit, leading to yet another confrontation against the Autobots. An EMP blast didn't work against [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]], [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] and [[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] this time around, and Ratchet found himself completely overwhelmed. Thankfully, Bulkhead managed to trap the Dinobots in a tar pit, nullifying the threat they posed to the city. {{storylink|Blast from the Past}}

[[File:TFA Thrill Hunt Ratchet Lockdown reunion.JPG|left|thumb|upright=1.66|Duh-nananana... waw ''waw'' waw.]]
To Ratchet's horrified disbelief, Lockdown appeared on Earth and captured Optimus Prime, intending to hand him over to the vengeful remaining Decepticons for the bounty offered against him. The Autobots attempted a rescue, with Ratchet initially absent due to haunting flashbacks over his last encounter with the bounty hunter. He was forced to intervene after Lockdown incapacitated [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]], [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]. Ratchet was able to free his commanding officer and retrieve his EMP device, using it to send [[Death's Head (Animated)|Lockdown's ship]] crashing back to Earth. After reinstalling Prime's stolen gadgets, the veteran finally opened up to the younger soldier. {{storylink|The Thrill of the Hunt}}

After Sari "borrowed" a couple of rocket prototypes from her father's workshop, Bumblebee pleaded with Ratchet for him to attach the devices to his chassis. Ratchet refused, stating that it could only lead to Bumblebee causing more damage to himself than usual, which Ratchet would be forced to fix. Too bad Sari went ahead and upgraded Bumblebee with her Key anyways. Later, Ratchet helped nab the super-thief [[Nanosec]] after he had stolen a sample of unstable [[Destronium]] from Sumdac Laboratories. The capture ran into quite a few problems, most of them caused by Bumblebee's uncontrollable boosters. Ratchet had the sense to advise Bumblebee to transform into robot mode, stopping him from running wild. When Nanosec was finally stopped, and the Destronium was in the Autobots’ possession, Ratchet inspected the canister. His scans revealed that the Destronium could explode at any moment. Bulkhead and Prowl helped Bumblebee get into the upper atmosphere, where the Destronium detonated harmlessly; and Ratchet and Optimus slowed Bumblebee's descent as he came plummeting back to Earth. {{storylink|Nanosec (episode)|Nanosec}}

Ratchet and the other Autobots attended Sari's eight birthday party. There, Ratchet showed an... unusual amount of enthusiasm over Sari smashing her piñata. He was less impressed by Bulkhead's clumsy attempt at joining in the activity. Though Ratchet wound up entertaining Sari's guests, Sari herself was left behind with Bulkhead. A few days after the event, [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]], once one of Sari's toys, now a Decepticon menace, took control of Detroit's automatons in an attempt to subjugate the human population. Ratchet teamed up with Prowl to fight back against the hostile robots, but between their sheer numbers and Soundwave interfering with the Autobots’ comm-links, he found himself being overwhelmed. Once Bulkhead took care of Soundwave, the automatons returned to their normal state, and the fighting came to an end. {{storylink|Sound and Fury (episode)|Sound and Fury}}

When the Decepticons [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] and [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] arrived on Earth, the Autobots were quickly bested by the duo. Prime realized that the AllSpark was no longer safe on the planet and decided that they should leave Earth and return to Cybertron. [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari]] was not pleased by this, but Ratchet's response was a gruff, "Grow up". When Optimus asked Sari to help, Ratchet was displeased with the thought of working with a "[[protoform]]", but Optimus silenced them by making it an order. Once aboard the Autobots' ship, Sari accidentally opened an airlock, nearly flooding the hold, then admitted that she had tried to sabotage the ship, not wanting them to leave. In a moment of empathy, Ratchet told her the Autobots didn't want to leave either, but they had to, or else the Decepticons would wipe out the humans, including Sari, and Ratchet couldn't live with himself if that happened. With the help of a now-willing Sari, Ratchet brought the ship's weapons back online, defeating Lugnut and Blitzwing. {{storylink|Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found}}

Seeing as Sari would likely be a target for the Decepticons in the future, the Autobots decided to train her in combat techniques. When Captain Fanzone found out about this, after Sari had been abducted from her room, he expressed disbelief over the fact. Ratchet responded gruffly that it was better the Autobots teach Sari "ninja nerve blows", rather than she pick it up on the street. Once Sari was rescue however, her training was discontinued, as she proved capable of taking care of herself, in her own unique way. {{storylink|Survival of the Fittest}}

After his latest rescue mission ended in destructive disaster, Bulkhead attempted to pick up painting, to prove he could create as well as destroy. Unfortunately, Ratchet didn't "get" Bulkhead's art. As a point of contention, Ratchet pointed out that art was a waste of time, since it couldn't be used to save anyone. Later, [[Headmaster (Animated)|Henry Masterson]], aka "The Headmaster" stole Bulkhead's body, and used it to hold the entire city at ransom, threatening to overload the local [[Sidney Biggles-Jones Memorial Solar Fusion Plant|power plant]]. The Autobots battled the villain, but found themselves overwhelmed by the sheer destructive power that The Headmaster unleashed with Bulkhead's body. After an arduous struggle, The Headmaster fled, leaving Bulkhead's body behind. But at this point, the power plant was ready to blow. Working together, the Autobots quickly built an "art piece" robot, who took the fatal trip into the plant's core, and halted the chain reaction within. Bulkhead pointed out that Ratchet had been wrong, as "art" had indeed saved the city of Detroit. Ratchet must have acquiesced the point somewhat, as he accompanied Bulkhead to his art show later that day. {{storylink|Headmaster (episode)|Headmaster}}

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After receiving a report on increased Decepticon activity from [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Teletran-1]], Optimus ordered Ratchet to remove the [[AllSpark Key]] from Sari's possession forcibly, as it was no longer safe in the hands of a [[Human|dumb stubby]]. Ratchet was hesitant to take the object from the girl, but followed his superior's orders with a gruff, professional "Yessir." After Sari fled the base in tears, Optimus then told Ratchet to take the Key to the Autobots' ship, under [[Lake Erie]], in order to protect the [[AllSpark]] from the Decepticons. Unfortunately, the medibot was intercepted by Blitzwing and Lugnut, who demanded that he hand over the Key. He stoically refused, challenging them to take it from his "cold, offline servo". Icy Blitzwing complied by blasting Ratchet and the surrounding scenery with an ice beam. He switched to Random Blitzwing, made a smart remark, and wrenched the Key (and the arm holding it) from Ratchet.

Despite this handicap, the mechanic was able to break free from his icy prison, report the AllSpark Key's theft to Optimus, single-handedly bring the ship online (pun intended), {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 1}} rescue Sari from Blackarachnia, pick up the rest of the team at Sumdac Tower, and still participate later in the battle against [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] and his forces. Once Optimus dispersed the AllSpark and defeated Megatron, Sari used her key to restore Ratchet to full working order. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 2}}

Though the Autobots managed to drive off the Decepticons, Detroit was damaged throughout the battle. Optimus's crew helped restore the area best they could, but they found that the humans now viewed them as potential menaces, instead of heroes. Ratchet understood why the humans would have trouble differentiating Autobot from Decepticon after such destruction befell them. Then the [[Sigma Supreme|Elite Guard's ship]] touched down nearby, and Ratchet drove off with the others to meet its occupants. But these new arrivals didn't treat Ratchet and the gang as heroes either. Ultra Magnus, Jazz, and especially Sentinel Prime didn't trust Optimus's crew, and doubted their story on what had transpired on Earth. Ratchet and the others got their chance to shine in their superiors' presence when a Sumdac plant went haywire, necessitating the Autobots to intervene before a flood of berserk police drones spread into the city. Ratchet helped keep the drones occupied while Optimus, Prowl and Jazz stopped the plant's assembly line, ending the crisis. {{storylink|The Elite Guard}}

Ratchet later helped stop a runaway train powered by an AllSpark fragment. When Starscream stopped by again, Bumblebee and Ratchet again combined their powers to attack him with an electromagnetic pulse, but the AllSpark-powered Decepticon shrugged it off like it was nothing. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}

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While helping to dispose of garbage in the city, Ratchet's crotchety attitude became such a problem that Optimus asked Sari and Bumblebee to help him work on developing a more positive attitude. His experience in helping a [[Spike Witwicky (Animated)|young]] [[Carly Witwicky (Animated)|couple]] who were in the process of making a protoform did not help with his attitude, and things got even worse when some trash-toting nuisance named [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]] came along, spouting that he was an Autobot. Telling the newly sentient [[Transformer]] that he was only good for garbage, Ratchet unwittingly inspired him to deliver garbage to the people of Detroit. Unfortunately, Wreck-Gar also had a sample of [[Sumdac Systems]]' new and improved nanobots, designed to disintegrate garbage. Fearing what the AllSpark-infused nanites might do, Ratchet apologized to Wreck-Gar, saying that the befuddled newcomer could be whatever he wanted, including a hero. Wreck-Gar did become a hero—after he vacuumed up the microbots, they exploded, causing Wreck-Gar to fall into the river. Ratchet assumed he was dead. When [[Porter C. Powell]] said that Ratchet had ruined his presentation, Ratchet forced him and [[Augustus Edsel|Mayor Edsel]] to make a compromise by threatening to have them join Wreck-Gar in the river. They came to an agreement, and Ratchet assumed that the bystanders were cheering for him, leaving him with the assumption that he ''did'' have people skills. {{storylink|Garbage In, Garbage Out}}

Ratchet helped search for an AllSpark fragment, only for the mission to be interrupted by a group of illegal street racers, the Street Demons, zooming by. When one of the racers caused two others to crash, Ratchet stopped to help [[Ming-Li]] out of her wrecked vehicle. Captain Fanzone then came by and arrested her. {{storylink|Velocity (episode)|Velocity}}

The Autobots' ongoing efforts to fix up Detroit continued. As they repaired an overpass, the group spotted Blitzwing and Lugnut trying to sneak off with some construction supplies. Ratchet attempted to stop them from taking off, though he only managed to trip them up, inadvertently causing more damage to the overpass. The Autobots were forced to stay late to repair it. Again. Later, Bulkhead brought two new 'bots back to Autobot headquarters: [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] and [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]]. Though they were insufferable to begin with, the Constructibots became an actual threat when they allied themselves with Megatron. They attempted to snatch away the Autobots' AllSpark fragments for their new boss, but the Autobots were ultimately able to drive off the Constructibots and retrieved the fragments. {{storylink|Rise of the Constructicons}}

When there were reports of rampages coming from Dinobot Island, Ratchet loaned Prowl his EMP Generator as a just-in-case measure. When Prowl discovered that a spike was wedged into [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]]'s foot, Ratchet instructed him on how to use the EMP to remove it. Later, when Prowl decided to go off on his own after Starscream, Ratchet, along with Prime, told him to turn his shuttle around, but Prowl faked some static and cut the transmission, though Ratchet thought his fake static was less-convincing than Bumblebee's. Later, the Autobots managed to find Prowl, equipped with new Samurai armor, tied up in the middle of the street, and freed him. Ratchet blamed himself for the whole mess, as he was the one who loaned Prowl the EMP. The Autobots next encountered Clone [[Clone number 2716057|#2716057]], who tries to propose an alliance with them, but Prowl easily rejects the alliance and attacks the clone. During the fight, Prowl accidentally destroys a bird's nest, which snaps him back to reality, and causes him to realize that he doesn't need the armor, but he won't get rid of it until he captures Clone [[Clone number 3370318|#3370318]]. Ratchet and the other Autobots followed Prowl to a warehouse, where they discovered that the Starscream clones were armed with bombs, and watched Prowl use his armor to launch the clones into the sky, right into the flight path of the fleeing Decepticons. {{storylink|A Fistful of Energon}}

After Bumblebee alerted the rest of his team that [[Swindle (Animated)|a Decepticon]] had built a machine that could slow to a halt any electronic machine within its range, including Autobots, Ratchet and the others sped out to take on the threat. They were all affected by the device's power before they could reach their destination, and were only able to take on Swindle once Sari had deactivated his weapon. {{storylink|SUV: Society of Ultimate Villainy}}

Ratchet and the other Autobots gathered to listen in on an all-points bulletin from Ultra Magnus, alerting them that the criminal [[Wasp]] had escaped from prison. Later, Bumblebee told the rest of his team that he had stumbled upon a Decepticon transmission, and they reported his findings to the head of [[Cybertron Intelligence]], [[Shockwave (Animated)|Longarm Prime]]. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}}

Ratchet learned that Meltdown was broken out of prison through a news report. He stayed behind at the Autobots' headquarters while Optimus, Prowl and Bumblebee dealt with the escaped criminal. After Meltdown had been dealt with, Ratchet accompanied Optimus and the others to explain what had transpired to Captain Fanzone. {{storylink|Black Friday (episode)|Black Friday}}

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Ratchet was watching television with Bumblebee when Optimus informed them that Scrapper and Mixmaster had resurfaced. The Autobots looked high and low throughout Detroit for the Constructibots, but without Sari's key to track their AllSpark signatures, the search proved fruitless. Then, Blitzwing dropped out of the sky and took on the whole crew. During the fight, the Autobots learned that Sari was dealing with the Constructibots on her own back at headquarters. But having to deal with Blitzwing, they couldn't head back... until Blitzwing suddenly decided to ditch the battle. The Autobots then headed back to help Sari immediately. Returning to base, they found out that Sari had taken care of the intruders all by herself. {{storylink|Sari, No One's Home}}

When Bulkhead was kidnapped by Megatron, Bumblebee brought Autobot intelligence agent [[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]] to the plant, who revealed that Megatron was building a space bridge to conquer Cybertron from within. Realizing they'd need more firepower, Prime ordered Ratchet and Sari to get the ship operational. Unfortunately, their efforts failed to get it back online. Running out of time, Ratchet decided that they'd need to perform open [[spark]] surgery. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}}

After placing the remaining AllSpark fragments in the ship's spark core, Ratchet explained that the ship was once a living Autobot who sacrificed himself to help win the wars. Ratchet's gamble succeeded, and the ship was brought back to life. Getting it to the Decepticons' base, Ratchet and Sari provided enough power (and encouragement) to allow the ship to transform into [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]]. Omega defeated the Decepticons, but sacrificed himself to save the Autobots by being sucked into a blind space bridge portal. Once the Autobots escaped, Ratchet was left to mourn Omega Supreme a second time, but Bulkhead was optimistic that he was still alive, somewhere out in space.

Unfortunately, any effort to locate Omega Supreme was put on hold when Sari noticed that the skin of her right arm had been torn...revealing robotic circuitry underneath! {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}}

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Because Sari was reluctant to submit to a full diagnostic, Ratchet was only allowed to perform the most basic scans on her. He was able to determine that Sari was part basically organic, but with Cybertronian circuitry. Following a period of no contact with Bulkhead and Bumblebee, who had traveled to the mine to salvage space bridge equipment to contact Cybertron, Ratchet went to check up and help them out. What he found was a damaged Bulkhead and no sign of Bumblebee. Bringing Bulkhead back to the plant, he then attempted to repair Bulkhead, only to have Sari's Key overshadow his medical expertise, leaving him feeling unappreciated. Soon afterward, a giant [[Rock Lord]] was transported to Detroit after Bulkhead tried to bring back a transwarping Bumblebee. Ratchet equipped his EMP generator, which he hadn't used since he won it back from Lockdown, to help his team take down the creature and rescue Bumblebee, only to witness a newly upgraded Sari defeat the monster and save her friend instead. However, the Key's power overwhelmed Sari and caused her robotic systems to go berserk, blowing up everything she touched and even accidentally attacking Bumblebee. Ratchet initially requested Sari's Key to help him save Bumblebee, but discovered it no longer had any power after Prowl retrieved it. Despite the setback, he managed to save Bumblebee from going offline without the Key's aid. When the others failed their attempts to stop Sari from exploding and save Detroit, Ratchet used his EMP generator to subdue her, even though he was unsure what the effects would have on a technorganic.

Afterward, he operated on Sari to subdue the extra AllSpark energy she had stored in her body. When Omega Supreme reappeared on Earth, Ratchet was shocked to discover that his old friend had been taken over by Starscream and Megatron. Forced to take action, Ratchet upgraded Bumblebee's stingers to a more powerful battle-grade mode, even though such a modification was illegal for non-combat bots. When Optimus ordered Ratchet to reverse Sari's operation in order to use her AllSpark energy against Omega Supreme, Ratchet refused and instead aided his teammates directly in the heat of battle. He tried reasoning with Omega to help the titan gain control of his body, but was afraid that he might have to use his EMP on his old friend. Omega was able to fight off Starscream's control long enough to insist that Ratchet use the EMP to let him sleep again, echoing Ratchet's own advice from the last time the medic had put him in stasis. However, despite Ratchet's new resolve, Starscream's Allspark-fragment-powered consciousness rendered him immune to the blast. Once Bumblebee and Optimus planted a [[plasma dynamic thruster]] to make Omega transwarp around space randomly, Ratchet saved the pair from falling to their deaths.
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While Bulkhead and Professor Sumdac began constructing a space bridge, Ratchet and the other Autobots focused on hunting down the remaining Decepticons on Earth. The first one they found was Lugnut, who was defeated and [[stasis cuffs|stasis cuffed]] after a drawn-out battle. Unfortunately, this left the Autobot force trying to pull the massive Decepticon out of the deep crater he had caused during the fight—a daunting task that they spent the rest of the night working on. Before any real progress could be made, Ratchet and the others were called away to help Bulkhead, who had been dragged into an oil-stealing scheme by the Constructicons. Upon arriving at the [[Fossil Fuel]] oil refinery, the Autobots found themselves needing to exercise caution, so as to not light the oil around them aflame A collision between Scrapper and Mixmaster led to a spark setting fire to a large pool of oil anyways, and the Autobots were forced to transwarp an entire oil tank (with the Constructicons on it) out to Lake Erie, where it exploded. They then returned to finish hauling away Lugnut, only to find he had escaped in their absence. {{storylink|Three's a Crowd (episode)|Three's a Crowd}}

Later, when Wasp arrived on Earth, and attacked Bumblebee in the plant, Ratchet witnessed Bumblebee wake up from the attack colored like Wasp. Bumnblebee tried and failed to convince the Autobots that it was him, and when he failed, Ratchet prepared to arrest him. Bumblebee escaped as the Elite Guard arrived, and made it very clear that they were going to arrest Wasp. Optimus assigned Ratchet to go with him, and while looking for Wasp, they encountered [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] and [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]], who were also going after the renegade Autobot. Assuming them to be Decepticons, Prime and Ratchet tracked the pair to a dark alley and attacked them. Their fight was interrupted by [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]], who revealed that Jetfire and Jetstorm were flying Autobots. Ratchet then proceeded to follow Sentinel, [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]], and Prime around the city, and responded to Jetstorm's call claiming that Bulkhead and Prowl are Wasp's "fellow-double-agents". Ratchet then witnessed the video-game face-off between Bumblebee and Wasp to determine who was who, and also witnessed Wasp threaten the real Bumblebee's life. When Wasp escaped, Ratchet was one of the many Autobots to run outside, where they found Bumblebee back in his original colors, and witnessed Sentinel finally accept [[Shockwave (Animated)|Longarm Prime]] was the REAL Decepticon traitor. {{storylink|Where Is Thy Sting?}}

Ratchet turned out with the other Autobots to see off Sentinel and his team as they left Earth for Cybertron. {{storylink|Predacons Rising (Animated)|Predacons Rising}}

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On Christmas Eve, Ratchet was seriously doubting that Santa could deliver billions of presents in just one night, but Sari told him not to worry about it. Later, after drinking oil nog that Sari had made (which was altered by one of [[Sound Wave|Soundwave's toys]]), Ratchet, along with the rest of the Autobots, suddenly felt very tired, and Ratchet was the first one to head off for a stasis-nap. What was even more mysterious was that, the next morning, the Autobots discover that they had been transformed into humans, and there was no rational explanation as to why. When Prime suggested that their minds had been implanted into the human bodies, Ratchet questioned where their Cybertronian bodies were. The Autobots then headed off to Sumdac Tower, and while they decided to stop at Burger-Bot for a bite to eat, they hear a noise outside, which turned out to be a Decepticon attack. Ratchet helped Optimus Prime get a woman out of a burning building, but was useless in trying to ward off Starscream, and when Optimus Prime's leg was broken, Ratchet was forced to help get him to a paramedic. The Autobots eventually got to Sumdac Tower (via City Bus), only to look up and see none other than...CYBERTRON! Not only that, but after the planet settled, Decepticons began to swarm down from it. Prime and Prowl figured out that none of it was happening, and that everything was fake, including the Decepticons. This established, the Autobots discovered that they could slag the Decepticons surprisingly easily. After they defeated the Decepticons, the Autobots managed to transform back into their Cybertronian forms, but just after that, they were attacked by a giant [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]]. {{storylink|Human Error, Part I}}

After managing to escape the giant Soundwave, the Autobots were transformed back into humans, much to Ratchet's annoyance. When Bulkhead tried to escape the virtual reality by trashing the virtual city, Ratchet told him it didn't work that way, and that they needed to find Soundwave's interface, which just conveniently turned up at that point. The Autobots decided to follow the vehicle driving nearby vehicles which happened to match their respective vehicle modes only to find that driving wasn't as easy as it looked. Ratchet though disagreed, though he was actually driving backwards (Nice one, Ratchet!). The Autobots eventually cornered the vehicle in a drive-in movie-theater parking-lot, but soon discovered that they had been lured into a trap, and were successfully reprogrammed by Soundwave. Ratchet's body later went up against Snarl, who defeated him by wrapping him up, immobilizing him. Afterward, Ratchet joined the Autobots in standing around and watching the Disposal Droids (and Wreck-Gar) clean up the city. {{storylink|Human Error, Part II}}

Later, as Ratchet attempted to calibrate Bulkhead's space bridge to locate Omega Supreme, the bridge powered up and sucked in a visiting [[Carmine Fanzone|Captain Fanzone]]. Seeing a potential problem in this turn of events, Ratchet followed him into the bridge and found himself back on Cybertron. At first overjoyed to be back home, Ratchet's mood soon soured when he discovered that his favorite watering hole, [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]], had been shut down, a victim of the paranoid reign of [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]], who had been placed in charge of the planet following the near-fatal attack on Ultra Magnus by the Decepticon deep-cover agent, [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]]. Just as Sentinel was in the middle of reprimanding Ratchet for bringing Fanzone to the planet, however, Omega Supreme made a sudden appearance in the skies overhead, his body now under the control of Megatron once more. Ratchet's refusal to support Sentinel's plan simply to blast Omega out of the sky left him branded a traitor, and he and Fanzone fled into Cybertron's underground tunnels, where they stumbled upon Shockwave's hideout. In the course of the brief battle that ensued, Ratchet discovered that Shockwave was in search of Arcee, intending to use the activation codes for Omega Supreme stored in her processor to wipe clean his mind and put all of his systems in Megatron's hands. With a little help from [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]], Ratchet and Fanzone were able to get to Arcee first, but alas, in the process, they unwittingly wound up leading Shockwave right to her. The pair battled again, and although Ratchet was able to recover Ultra Magnus's stolen [[Magnus Hammer]] from the Decepticon, he failed to prevent Shockwave from escaping with Arcee in his clutches. Despite Sentinel Prime's protestations, Ratchet brought the Magnus Hammer with him back to Earth. {{storylink|This Is Why I Hate Machines}}.

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Upon the discovery that Megatron had control of Omega Supreme, Ratchet began to stress the fact that they needed to rescue him and Arcee from the Decepticons, and that they needed to use the Magnus Hammer to aid them in doing so. He was shocked when Prime asked him to build him a jetpack, stating that Autobots didn't fly. Though hesitant, Ratchet, along with Sari and Prof. Sumdac, proceeded to build Prime a jetpack that he could use to go up against Megatron. After the failure of the initial test of the jetpack, Ratchet added stabilizer wings to it, which gave Prime control when flying. Unfortunately, the flying Optimus Prime attracted the attention of [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]], who proceeded to shoot Prime out of the sky. Ratchet then simply repaired Prime, and just in time, as just then, the [[Lugnut Supreme]]s arrived on Earth {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}}

Ratchet was sent to the moon with Bumblebee, Bulkhead, and Sari to take back Omega Supreme to stop the Lugnut Supreme drones. With advice from Sari, he was able to reactivate Arcee and in turn able to take control of Omega Supreme. After Starscream's plan came into action, he took Omega Supreme in to try and stop the "Starscream Supremes" from self-destructing, successfully taking down one but unable to take down the other. He was present with Optimus Prime on their return to Cybertron with the Decepticon prisoners, holding Prowl's casket with Bumblebee, Bulkhead, and Jazz. {{storylink|Endgame, Part II}}

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''Ratchet built a pair of laser swords for Arcee... He had originally intended for them to be pointers to help her teach, but he got carried away.'' {{storylink|The Return of Blurr}}

''Ratchet attended the Stunti-Con's show in Kaon, unaware that the entire affair was a Decepticon plot to break Megatron out of the nearby Trypticon Prison. Thankfully, [[Sideswipe (Animated)|Sideswipe]] and [[Cheetor (Animated)|Cheetor]] interrupted the show, and with [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]]'s help thwarted the Decepticons' plans.'' {{storylink|The Stunti-Con Job}}

===''Be the Hero'' books===
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====''Prime Suspect''====
After [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]] saved a [[You|young human]] from being run down, Ratchet was stuck with checking the youngster over for injuries. When evidence was discovered at the scene of the crime Prime was accused of, he paid the Autobot ship a visit to conduct a scan, leading the Autobots to [[HomeTech]]'s main warehouse. Ratchet joined them there and helped them break in. He stayed out of the battle until the end, trapping [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] in a magnetic field and unraveling the Decepticon's plan. {{storylink|Prime Suspect (Animated)|Prime Suspect}}
====''Quest for the AllSpark''====
When [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] took control of [[Detroit]]'s robot workforce in an attempt to find the [[AllSpark]], Ratchet and Prime came up with a daring plan to create false AllSparks and hide them in various locations. Ratchet took his to [[Paris]] to hide, and was attacked as soon as he set foot in [[France]]. After winning that fight, he returned to the Autobot base and beefed up the defences to prevent Megatron from ever gaining access to it, and ended up battling [[Crush-A]] with the rest of the Autobots. {{storylink|Quest for the AllSpark}}
====''Web of Deception''====
Ratchet and Optimus were in the Autobot ship at the bottom of [[Lake Erie]] when it was struck by a number of [[Sparkseeker]] missiles and Prime was abducted. Once he recovered, Ratchet was able to detect [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]]'s ship parked near [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]]. While the other younger bots went to rescue Prime, Ratchet stayed on board the ship and eventually detected the holotransmitter that [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] was using. He was able to track it back to its source and rescue Prime. {{storylink|Web of Deception}}
====''Time-Quake''====
When strange time effects began taking place across Detroit, Ratchet made special detectors to trace the source of the temporal energy. After Bulkhead and a human discovered the time machine that was causing the odd effects, Ratchet assisted in taking down the perpetrator. {{storylink|Time-Quake}}

===Titan ''Animated'' comic===
He was the only person to realise the earthquakes plaguing Detroit couldn't be natural as it wasn't on a fault-line. He got to zap the villain responsible, [[Quake-Maker]], once everyone else had done all the hard work. {{storylink|Animated Comic issue 1#Burnout|Burnout}}

Ratchet oversaw a mission to Dinobot Island with Sari, Bumblebee, and [[Afterburn]], to investigate a Rage virus infection in the Dinobots. Soon after landing, the group were jumped by [[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] and Ratchet was soon pinned; luckily, Sari reminded him of the magnetic powers he uses all the time, and he was able to get Snarl off.

The Dinobot had stolen his spare oil thermos in the process though and, wanting to see if Afterburn was really up to joining them, lied to his friends and told them a vital component had been ripped out and ''he was dying''. They risked their lives getting the thermos back on top of curing the Dinobots, and after hearing why they'd been made to do it, Afterburn shook Ratchet's hand for being an emotionally manipulative bastard. {{storylink|Animated Comic issue 2|Ratchet & Grimlock Are DEAD?}}

===''Lil Formers''===
Upon meeting an [[Ratchet (G1)|alternate-universe version of himself]], Ratchet was sure to tell the younger 'bot about the importance of experience, and how he should learn to appreciate it. {{storylink|Lil Formers}}

===''The Cool'' comic===
[[File:TheCoolRatchetExplosion01.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Run, Bumblebee! The Japanese sound effects are exploding!]]

Witnessing the mysterious Allspark being uncovered, Ratchet along with the rest of Optimus Prime's crew fled through a space bridge gate in order to keep the artifact out of Decepticon clutches. Unfortunately, Megatron was able to board their ship and left Ratchet defeated on the floor, leaving Optimus to deal with the Decepticon leader by himself. {{storylink|The Cool Extra issue 3|The Cool Extra #3}}

Ratchet was among the Autobots who traveled to the [[Earth]] city of [[Detroit]] in order to protect the [[AllSpark#Animated|AllSpark]] from the Decepticons. When [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]], [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]], and [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] attacked, Ratchet joined in the fray, pitting his magnet pincers against Lockdown with the aid of [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]'s stingers. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 1}}

The Autobots were unable to prevent Starscream from seizing the AllSpark, however, and Ratchet was helpless to defend himself from Starscream's AllSpark-powered aerial attacks. When [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] died stopping Starscream, and was subsequently revived by the power of [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari]]'s [[AllSpark Key|key]], Ratchet was the first to greet him (and tell him he was dead for a minute). {{storylink|The Cool Episode 2}}

Ratchet later took part in defending [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]] from a Decepticon raid. Ratchet expressed displeasure at [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]]'s aerial bombardments, not thinking the Autobots could hold out much longer. Once the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobot]]s saved the day, however, he saw them off along with the rest of the Autobots. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 3}}

Ratchet was present at [[Sumdac Systems]] headquarters when Megatron was reborn. Megatron blasted Ratchet away with his [[fusion cannon]] easily, though Ratchet survived the fight. He later joined in greeting the [[Elite Guard]] to Earth. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 5}}

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Ratchet later joined the Autobots in a battle against [[Clone number 2716057|Clone #2716057]]. Though Prowl defeated the clone, Ratchet berated his comrade for destroying an entire park in the process. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 6}}

Along with [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari]], Ratchet piloted the ''[[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Orion]]'' toward the battle for the Decepticon [[Space bridge#Animated cartoon|Space Bridge]]. Intensely, Ratchet urged his comrades to hold out long enough for him to arrive. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 7}}

They arrived in time and Ratchet immediately activated Code Omega and transformed the ''Orion'' into his old friend, [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]]. Omega vanquished the army of [[Starscream clone (Animated)|Starscream clones]] then chose to sacrifice himself to stop the overloaded Space Bridge. Ratchet pleaded with his old friend not to do it, as they'd only just been reunited. Omega thanked Ratchet for everything and then vanished in the vortex. After the battle, Ratchet solemnly bid his departed friend farewell. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 8}}

When Ratchet returned to Cybertron to oversee Ultra Magnus's recovery, the Autobot leader believing himself on his deathbed, requested that Ratchet let Optimus know that unto him the Magnus Hammer would be passed on. Ratchet was to deliver the hammer to him and let Optimus know that he was to rejoin the Elite Guard, having been dismissed from it cruelly. Ratchet nonetheless insisted that Ultra Magnus should tell this to Optimus himself, but the moment was interrupted by another assassination attempt from Shockwave! The Decepticon spy was nonetheless defeated through a combination of Ratchet using his magnetic powers to pummel him with the Magnus Hammer, and Ultra Magnus activating the hammer's electrical powers at a key moment, frying Shcokwave dead. Upon his return to Earth, Ratchet informed Optimus that it was now the time to put the hammer in Optimus's possession to good use against their Decepticon enemies. {{storylink|The Cool Extra issue 1|The Cool Extra #1}}

When Starscream attacked Detroit in Omega Supreme's body, Ratchet expressed shock at the sight of seeing his friend alive. Prowl was quick to point out to him that Omega was merely a puppet of Starscream's. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 9}}

Upon Megatron's defeat, Ratchet accompanied the rest of the Autobots back to planet [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where they were all hailed as heroes by the citizenry and even [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel]]. {{storylink|The Cool Episode Final}}

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==Games==
===Transformers Animated: The Game===
{{voiceactor|[[Corey Burton]] (English)|[[Martial Le Minoux]] (French)}}
[[File:TFAnimated Game Ratchet.jpg|thumb|left|134px|"Darn it, my shoulder kibble fell off again."]]
Ratchet took up the task of giving hints to Optimus, Bumblebee and Bulkhead as they tried out an obstacle course. He picked up a Decepticon signal, which turned out to be a [[Decepticon Transmitter Drone]]. After [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] retrieved the drone, Ratchet was able to use it to intercept some Decepticon transmissions indicating that [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] was planning to make a move on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. He attempted to contact [[Cybertron Command]] to warn them, only to find the communication network was down. Ratchet rigged the transmitter drone to return to base, so the Autobots could track it back to the hidden Decepticon lair, but it escaped before they could do so. Once Optimus located the base, Ratchet sent the Teletran-1 probe to act as a temporary repair drone. After Optimus's team returned triumphant from Cybertron, Ratchet wondered if Optimus's processor needed looking at, as their leader had turned down a position in the [[Elite Guard]]. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The Game}}

===Transformers Animated: ''Action Packs''===
{{note|Ratchet is featured as a playable game card. He is a red card, has a value of 3 points, and has the following power: "+2 to any Autobots in play".}} {{storylink|Transformers Animated: Action Packs}}
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==Toys==
===''Animated''===
====Deluxe Class====
[[File:Ratchetanimatedeluxe.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Gut doesn't fold down as well as it used to... ''(Hasbro Version Pictured)'']]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Autobot Ratchet''' (Deluxe, 2008)}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number:'' '''TA-04'''
:*''Takara release date'': [[March 27]], 2010
:*''Accessories'': Hammer, wrench, screwdriver, can opener
{{toydesigner|[[Eric Siebenaler]] (Hasbro), [[Takashi Kunihiro]] (TakaraTomy)}}

: First shipping in the second wave of Hasbro's ''[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]'' Deluxes, Ratchet transforms into a stylized ambulance. In robot mode, his "magnets" are simulated by spring-loaded pieces in the underside of his forearms that flip up through his open hands. He also features a veritable arsenal of fix-it tools that attach to the undeployed magnets to simulate him holding them, so you too can experience the glee of having the old coot savagely beat someone with a servo-wrench. These tools can be stored in his backpack in robot mode, but cannot be stored in his vehicle mode. Ratchet features an [[Automorph Technology|automorph]] on the head, which pops out when the car roof is flipped back while transforming into robot mode.

:[[File:Takara animatedratchet.jpg|upright=1|left|thumb|Pimp My Ride: Detroit EMS Edition ''(TakaraTomy Version Pictured)'']]

: The "war wound" on his left forearm is actually a socket into which one may peg the EMP generator included with the Deluxe [[Lockdown (Animated)#Toys|Lockdown]] toy. Early releases of the Ratchet toy had the peg slightly too long, forcing the EMP to pop out of the socket. Later releases (basically most everything beyond the original "test market" release) had a shorter peg, allowing the EMP to clip in just fine.

: At least on some samples of the toy, his vehicle mode does not hold together very well at all. His legs are also prone to popping off at the thigh swivel, though, fortunately, since they're simple mushroom pegs, they pop right back on.

: The [[TakaraTomy]] release of Ratchet, in the first wave of their [[Transformers Animated (toyline)#TakaraTomy Animated toyline|''Animated'' toyline]], features a far, ''far'' shinier paint job. Ratchet's hood, roof, and legs are painted in a metallic red, and the non-metallic red paint apps are considerably glossier than the Hasbro toy. The toy is also cast in a lighter, off-white plastic instead of the Hasbro version's sorta-tannish-gray white, and also possesses a full-color Autobot symbol with white outline.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Ratchet/ratchet.htm More information on Deluxe Ratchet at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Animated-toy RescueRatchet.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Lemony-fresh goodness!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Rescue Ratchet''' (Multi-pack, 2008)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Hammer, wrench, screwdriver, can opener
{{toydesigner|[[Joe Kyde]] (deco artist)}}

: This version of Ratchet is a [[redeco]] of his Deluxe toy, now in primarily emergency-colors yellow; the photo of the toy on the back of the packaging shows a fairly obvious [[homage]] to the [[Transformers (2007 toyline)|live-action movie]] incarnation of [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]], with bright green instead of yellow and movie-inspired zig-zagged stripes, but the toy-as-released is in yellow, using the same tampographs as the original ''Animated'' deluxe. He retains all of his original toy's [[gimmick]]ry, and features metallic paint on his front bumper. The hinged clip portion of his tools is cast in the same color plastic as he is, to prevent accessory cross-contamination with the original deluxe toy. His "magnets" are ''also'' cast in the same yellow plastic, making him look like an aye-aye when deployed.

: He was only availabe in a [[Target]] [[exclusive]] box set, with two [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends-class]] figures: [[Prowl (Animated)#Legends Class|Prowl]] and [[Starscream (Animated)#Legends Class|Starscream]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/RescueRatchet/ratchet.htm More information on Rescue Ratchet at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Animatedtoy-RatchetCybertronMode.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Just take the slaggin' EMP, Lockdown. It doesn't stay in any way. ''(Hasbro Version Pictured)'']]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Cybertron Mode Ratchet''' (Deluxe, 2010)}}</ul>
:*''Takara name'': '''Ratchet Cybertron Mode'''
:*''Takara ID number:'' '''TA-40'''
:*''Takara release date'': [[September 18]], 2010
:*''Accessories'': Two shock paddles

: "Cybertron Mode Ratchet" is based on his pre-Earth form seen in many flashbacks, transforming into a quad-treaded van-like thing. He comes with two "shock paddles" which peg over his fists, and his right fist punches forward when a tab on his elbow is pushed. The "shock paddles" plug into the rear of his vehicle mode. The toy also has a socket on his left forearm to accommodate Deluxe [[Lockdown (Animated)#Toys|Lockdown]]'s EMP weapon, just like the previous Deluxe mold. However, how well that accessory actually ''fits'' in the socket seems to vary wildly from sample to sample.

:[[File:Takara animated ratchetcybertronmode.jpg|upright=1|left|thumb|"You morons have just hung vacancy signs on your afts, and my foot's looking for a room!" ''(TakaraTomy Version Pictured)'']]

: In the Hasbro line, he was originally planned to be released in the regular retail line, but ended up as part of the first wave of [[Toys"R"Us]] exclusive Deluxes, alongside [[Arcee (Animated)#Toys|Arcee]].

: In TakaraTomy's vesion of the line, version of "Cybertron Mode" Ratchet was released as a normal mass-retail item in the eighth wave of ''Animated'' products. It has a shiny metallic crimson paint job on his chest, hood and boots, and a full-color symbol to match the original Takara version of Ratchet. His red plastics are also a brighter shade. Included in the package in addition to the usual trading card and instruction booklet, is an "Autobot Database" pamphlet, which contains information about the character squeezed into the spaces between advertisements for other toys.

: This mold was also [[retool]]ed to make [[Ironhide (Animated)#Toys|Ironhide]] and the [[BotCon 2011]]-exclusive [[Ironfist (Animated)#Toys|Fisitron]] and [[Autotrooper (Animated)#Toys|Autotrooper]] toys.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/CybertronianRatchet/ratchet.htm More information on Cybertron Mode Ratchet at TFU.info]''

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<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Fated Showdown: Ratchet / Lockdown''' (Multi-pack, 2010)}}</ul>
:*''Takara release date'': [[March 27]], 2010
:*''Accessories'': Hammer, wrench, screwdriver, can opener

: In the Takara ''Animated'' line, Ratchet was also available in a "Fated Showdown" (因縁の対決 ''in'nen no taiketsu'', also called "Sworn Enemies" in English on the box-back) two-pack with [[Lockdown (Animated)#Toys|Lockdown]].

: Released in the first wave of ''Animated'' products, both toys are identical to their individual releases.
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====Bumper Battlers====
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[[File:BumperBattlers Ratchet toy.JPG|upright=1.66|thumb|It's just ''water retention, DAMN IT!'']]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Autobot Ratchet''' (Bumper Battlers, 2008)}}</ul>
{{toydesigner|[[Vickie Stratford]] (Hasbro)}}

: An even ''more'' simplified version of Ratchet, the [[Bumper Battlers]] version also features a spring-loaded transformation from ambulance to robot. However, in this instance, when the front bumper of the ambulance mode is pushed in, the spring-loaded roof/sides of the vehicle flip up to reveal a relief of Ratchet's robot mode (complete with magnet-clamps), as well as activating electronic sound effects.

: Pressing his Autobot sigil activates numerous randomly-selected sound effects and original voice samples, including a very disturbing laugh.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/BBRatchet/ratchet.htm More information on Bumper Battlers Ratchet at TFU.info]''

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[[File:CanceledBBAniRatchet.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Thank you for dialing WHINE-one-one. If you hold the line, a WAAAAAAAAAHmbulance will be over shortly.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Autobot Ratchet''' (Bumper Battlers, <s>2009</s>)}}</ul>

: A [[redeco]] of Bumper Battlers Ratchet was evidently planned, as the instruction sheet for it made its way to Hasbro.com's instruction archive. As the instructions reuse the packaging art from the [[Target]]-exclusive Rescue Ratchet (see above), it was presumably going to share its color scheme.

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====Activators====
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[[File:Ratchetanimatedactivators.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The Grampulance.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Autobot Ratchet''' (Activators, 2008)}}</ul>
{{toydesigner|[[Bill Rawley]] (Hasbro), [[Takio Ejima]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Andrew Scribner]] (deco artist)}}

: A smaller, simpler version of Ratchet, the [[Activators]] Ratchet toy has a spring-loaded [[autotransformation]] [[gimmick]] that springs him from ambulance mode to robot mode in one easy step.

: Pre-release samples of the toy (used for the stock photography seen on the packaging and in online solicitations) show Activators Ratchet to have an unbroken right crest on his head, contrary to his [[character model]]. The final released version of the toy has the broken crest as he should.

: Interestingly, this figure seems to take engineering cues from the ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' [[Hoist (G1)/toys#Machine Wars|Hoist]]/[[Hubcap (MW)#Toys|Hubcap]] mold, which had a similar spring-loaded transformation ''waaaaay'' before Activators were even a thing.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/ActRatchet/ratchet.htm More information on Activators Ratchet at TFU.info]''

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<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Sunstorm VS Autobot Ratchet''' (multipack, 2009)}}</ul>

: Activators Ratchet was packaged with Voyager [[Sunstorm (Animated)#Toys|Sunstorm]] in a [[Target]]-exclusive multipack.

: There are no notable differences between this and the original individual release of the toy.

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<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Animated Super Collection Vol. 1''' (multipack, 2010)}}</ul>
:*''Release date'': [[October 2]], 2010

: Released in the ninth wave of TakaraTomy's ''Animated'' line, the "Animated Super Collection Vol. 1" giftset contained slight redecos of Activators Ratchet, [[Optimus Prime (Animated)#Activators|Optimus Prime]], [[Megatron (Animated)#Activators|Megatron]] and [[Lockdown (Animated)#Activators|Lockdown]].

: Basically, the only change to each toy is the line-wide change to full-color, white-outlined faction symbols rather than the plain silver/gold/black ones used in the Hasbro line.
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====McDonald's====
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[[File:Animated happymeal ratchet.jpg|upright=1|thumb|The only toy version of Ratchet without a paunch and he's used to sell transfat-laden fast-food.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Autobot Ratchet''' (McDonald's Happy Meal Toy, 2008)}}</ul>
:*''McNumber'': Week 5

: A simple version of Ratchet with a very basic transformation sequence, this toy was (naturally) part of the McDonald's ''Transformers Animated'' Happy Meal promotion.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/McRatchet/ratchet.htm More information on McDonald's Ratchet at TFU.info]''
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===''Age of the Primes''===
[[File:AOTP Ratchet.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|After reminiscing about his Cybertronian alt-mode, Ratchet decided to buy off-road tires and a lift kit.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Autobot Ratchet''' (Deluxe Class, [[2026]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories:'' Arm-mounted electromagnets, wrench, can opener, hammer, screwdriver
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro)}}<ref>[[February 3]], [[2026]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzWSj4wlnqM Transformers Age of the Primes Deep Dive | In-Hand Look at the New Wave | February 2026] on YouTube, with [[Evan Brooks]], [[Mark Maher]] and [[Nate Purswell]].</ref>

:Part of the second 2026 wave of ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes]]'' Deluxe figures, "Autobot Ratchet" is an extensive retool of ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Earthrise]]'' [[Hoist_(G1)/toys#War_for_Cybertron:_Earthrise|Hoist]]/[[Trailbreaker (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Trailbreaker]], inspired by his cartoon appearance and transforming into an ambulance of made-up model.

:Much like his original toy, Ratchet comes with several tools (including a hammer, screwdriver, wrench, and can opener) that can be stored on his back via the multiple 5mm ports. This time around they are cast in red plastic instead of the black plastic of the figure. He also comes with a pair of electromagnets, which can be mounted on his forearms.

:The original versions of this mold were also redecoed into ''[[Generations Selects (toyline)|Generations Selects]]/[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)#Generations Selects|Lift-Ticket]] & [[DK-3 Breaker]].
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==Merchandise==
===''Animated''===
{{anchor|TakaraKeychain}}
[[File:Animated ratchet keychain.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|I caught my fancy in my zipper once. Eee-ouch.]]
*'''Autobot Medic Ratchet''' (Key chain, 2010)
:Key chain Ratchet is an adorable, brightly painted, tiny figure of robot mode Ratchet in a super-deformed visual style. He includes a ball chain to attach him to your keys, rear-view mirror, or anywhere else that might catch your fancy.
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==Notes==
[[File:AllSparkAlmanacII-SeasonFour-Ratchet.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1|With a hint of lime.]]
* The Autobot medical officer was originally conceived as a female robot named [[Red Alert (Animated)|Red Alert]].<ref>http://tformers.com/transformers-interview-transformers-animated/8992/news.html</ref> Even after it was decided to make the character male later in development, he retained the name "Red Alert" until executive producer [[Sam Register]] was able to convince Hasbro that "Ratchet" was a more identifiable name for the character. Because of this, Ratchet's final design carries influences from various [[Red Alert (disambiguation)|Red Alert]] incarnations. In particular, [[Derrick J. Wyatt|Derrick Wyatt]] was inspired by the box art for [[Red Alert (G1)|G1 Red Alert]]'s ''[[:File:BTAAlert toy.jpg|Binaltech Asterisk]]'' incarnation.<ref>http://community.livejournal.com/tf_animated/271043.html#cutid1</ref>
* The "war wound" on his left arm (seen in his main picture, above) was briefly gone after "The Thrill of the Hunt", apparently representing the replacement of his arm-mounted EMP generator. However, it has since returned in several instances. The "real world" reason is probably the animators sticking to the original animation model. Within story context, he apparently didn't carry the EMP generator around as standard until "[[TransWarped]]", when Prowl (who borrowed it [[A Fistful of Energon|once before]]) notes that he hadn't "taken it into battle since [he] got it back from Lockdown". It later emerges ''from'' the wound in "[[Endgame, Part II]]".
* There is a potential contradiction between "[[The Thrill of the Hunt]]" and "[[The Arrival issue 3#"'Bots of Science"|'Bots of Science]]", as both stories depict Ratchet's right-hand chevron being broken off - by Lockdown's haymaker in the former and Oil Slick's roundhouse in the latter. This could be a continuity error, or it could be the case that Ratchet had his chevron broken on one occasion, repaired it, and then after it was broken a ''second'' time he allowed it to remain broken. It would certainly appear that the comic story took place before the Lockdown encounter since Ratchet still has his EMP generator in ''Bots of Science''.
**Curiously though, Ratchet's chevron is shown to already have some kind of crack or weld-line running across it prior to Oil Slick's kick, which could indicate that it was already on the verge of breaking.
* The toys of ''Animated'' Ratchet, [[Ratchet (G1)|Generation 1 Ratchet]] and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Movie Ratchet]] are caught in a web of cross-referencing [[redeco]]s:
** In 2008, the original Generation 1 Ratchet mold got a green redeco as "Ratchet Emergency Green" in obvious reference to his yellowy-green [[Ratchet (Movie)|movie cousin]].
** Around the same time, two of "Movie series" Ratchet's toys got a red and white ambulance redeco as "Rescue Ratchet" to ape [[Ratchet (G1)|Generation 1 Ratchet]].
** ''Animated'' Ratchet, his original design already referencing both predecessors with Generation 1 Ratchet's chevron and coloring and movie Ratchet's squiggly EEG symbol, had a further homage to the latter with a yellow redeco as (another) "Rescue Ratchet". You'd think they'd all be too busy patching up wounded 'bots to get so much personal detailing done.
* He can pinch with his magnet-clamps.
* He has microscope lenses that can be activated in either eye.
* His windshield chest can act as an image projector in robot mode, as seen in "This Is Why I Hate Machines".
* Ratchet wears the [[256-OZU-004]] [[body-type]].
* In the Japanese dub, Ratchet speaks with a {{w|Kagoshima dialect}}. That particular dialect has been gradually phased out over the decades due to standardized education and is generally only spoken by older people in the region. As such, in popular Japanese media, the Kagoshima dialect is easy shorthand for "old person".
*In the Transformers Animated profile shorts, Ratchet is introduced to the audience by Bumblebee in "[[Meet Ratchet]]" and likewise introduces Optimus in "[[Meet Optimus Prime]]".
* Corey Burton's voice for Ratchet is a mix of {{w|Rip Torn}} and {{w|DeForest Kelley}} as [[Leonard McCoy]]. <ref>https://www.instagram.com/reel/DM5Vixgq0zZ/?igsh=MWhnYmo3d3MzejdrZA%3D%3D</ref>
*Had season 4 been produced, Ratchet's white would have been recolored hazard/lime green and (most) of his red in black, to more closely resemble his [[Ratchet (Movie)|live-action counterpart]].

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Ratchet''' (ラチェット ''Rachetto'')
*''Russian:'' '''Chrapovick''' (Храповик, "Ratchet")

==References==
<references />

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Ratchet/ratchet.htm Ratchet at TFU.info]

[[Category:Age of the Primes Autobots]]
[[Category:Animated Autobots]]
[[Category:Hall of Fame characters]]
[[Category:McDonald's exclusives]]
[[Category:Medics]]
[[Category:Elderly Transformers]]

Blades of Time

2026-02-04T14:42:17Z

Omegatron:

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[[File:BladesofTime-CovenantofPrimus.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.4]]

The '''Blades of Time''' were the [[Artifacts of the Primes|artifact]] of [[Vector Prime]]. Not a weapon, per se, the Blades were represented more as a mandala or hourglass, through which Vector Prime focused his space-time powers.

==Fiction==
===Aligned continuity family===
====''Covenant of Primus''====
Vector Prime used the Blades of Time to create the portal that would take the [[Thirteen]] to face [[Unicron#Aligned continuity family|Unicron]], leading to the [[Expulsion of Unicron]]. During the [[Age of Primes]], [[Solus Prime]] was in the process of creating a new mandala when she was killed, although whether it would have been similarly powerful is unknown. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|Covenant of Primus}}

====Aligned novels====
When the once idealistic Vector Prime despaired after the [[War of the Primes]] and sealed himself away in a [[Realm of the Primes|peculiar pocket dimension]], he left the Blades of Time in the hands of his comrade [[Nexus Prime]]. When assembled correctly, these five pieces of metal could open a portal to Vector Prime's secret sanctuary. However, when Nexus Prime split himself into five parts to protect the [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|Star Saber]], the Blades were also divvied up, and his five amnesiac components soon lost track of them. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

===IDW 2019 continuity===
[[File:BladesOfTime.jpg|thumb]]

The Blades of Time was an artifact believed to have existed at one point or another. While residing within [[House (building)|House]] at the [[Rust Sea#2019_IDW_continuity|Sea of Rust]], [[Termagax]] pondered on whether the [[Thirteen]] were metaphors meant to explain the mysterious powers held by the artifacts. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Sea of Rust I}}

===''EarthSpark'' cartoon===
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==Games==
===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
[[Rhisling]] was one form of the Blades of Time. {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}}

==Notes==
* The [[Binder of Revelation]] described the blades as two swords like the hands of a clock, however they have never been portrayed this way in any published media.

==See also==
*[[Rhisling]]

[[Category:Artifacts of the Primes]]
[[Category:Prime technology]]
[[Category:Generation 1 objects]]
[[Category:Transportation technology]]

Transformers: Age of the Primes

2026-01-22T10:35:21Z

Omegatron:

{{disambig3|Age of Primes}}
{{nav-AOTP}}

[[File:Age of the Primes main artwork.jpg|right|thumb|350px|'''2024:''' ''"[[Megatron (One)|The Age of Primes has ended! No more false prophets!]]''" '''2025:''' ]]

'''''Transformers: Age of the Primes''''' is a [[subline imprint]] of the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' toyline, and the successor to ''[[Transformers: Legacy]]''.

First teased at [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2024]]<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/live/52ddGYMyvpE?t=11223s ''Transformers'' panel] at [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2024]] on the [[Hasbro Pulse]] YouTube channel, with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Evan Brooks]], [[Mark Maher]], [[Marcelo Matere]], and [[Nate Purswell]]</ref> and given a full reveal at [[Cybertron Con 2024|Cybertron Con]] later that year,<ref name = "CyCon25">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjmcMC9nNoA ''Age of the Primes'' reveal panel] from [[Cybertron Con 2024]] on the [[Hasbro Pulse]] YouTube channel, with Mark Maher.</ref> ''Age of the Primes'' revolves around the mythical [[Thirteen|Thirteen Primes]] and their [[Energon bloodline|descendants]].<ref name=usedtwice>{{citesocial|quote=The best part of the next 2 years is, you’ll not only collect the 13 primes but theres an amazing plethora of bots that are all descendents of the primes, you can collect them all, finish mini collections, and guess their energon bloodline.|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/DC2tKXARTg3/|name=Mark Maher|site=Instagram|year=2024|month=11|day=26}}</ref> Unlike the Thirteen's diminutive toys in the 2018 ''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' line, these are standard-sized figures, drawing from multiple designs, and each including their [[Artifacts of the Primes|artifact]]. ''Age of the Primes'' also continues the standard of scale, articulation, and compatibility for 3 mm [[Fire Blast effect|effects]] and [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System|5 mm weapons/armor]] set by the ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]''. The "descendants" of the Primes, much like ''Legacy'', are based on characters from multiple ''Transformers'' series.

Much like ''Power of the Primes'', a substantial part of the toyline is also dedicated to the [[combiner]] teams: the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] and the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]]. Both subgroups utilize a similar system to the ''Legacy'' [[Stunticon (G1)#Legacy|Stunticons]], with a Commander Class toy transforming into the torso and combining with an included frame that four smaller toys can attach to.

The line makes pretty significant changes to the smallest and largest of the size classes that have been standards over many prior years. The Core Class assortment was completely discontinued (hard to make bigger changes than ''that''), while the Titan Class toys were decreased in size, and thankfully, price. Unfortunately, due to a number of factors beyond Hasbro's control, some size class prices have gone ''up'' (only in certain markets), most notably the Voyager Class toys.

{{bigquote|AWAKEN THE THIRTEEN|Official tagline}}

==Toys==
===Deluxe Class===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' (2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Air Raid (G1)#Age of the Primes|Aerialbot Air Raid]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Slingshot (G1)#Age of the Primes|Aerialbot Slingshot]]}}
{{Bp-pr4|[[Solus Prime#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Solus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Wasp#Age of the Primes|Fugitive Waspinator]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' (2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr6|[[Maccadam#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Alchemist Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Crasher (G1)#Age of the Primes|Decepticon Crasher]] ([[package refresh]] from ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'')}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Vortex (G1)#Age of the Primes|Combaticon Vortex]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' (2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Fireflight (G1)#Age of the Primes|Aerialbot Fireflight]]}}
{{Bp-pr5|[[Micronus Prime#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Micronus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)#Age of the Primes|Aerialbot Skydive]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Venom (G1)#Age of the Primes|Venin]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF-Age of the Primes-Solus Prime.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Solus Prime#Age of the Primes|Solus Prime]]]][[File:AOTP-QuintusPrime.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Quintus Prime#Age of the Primes|Quintus Prime]]]]
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' (2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Blast Off (G1)#Age of the Primes|Combaticon Blast Off]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jalopy|Junkion Jalopy]]}}
{{Bp-p1|[[Quickstrike (BW)#Age of the Primes|Quickstrike]]}}
{{Bp-pr10|[[Quintus Prime#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Quintus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sureshot (G1)#Age of the Primes|Targetmaster Sureshot]] (w/ [[Spoilsport#Age of the Primes|Spoilsport]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' (2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Cliffjumper (WFC)#Age of the Primes|Cliffjumper]] (package refresh from ''[[Transformers: Legacy#Legacy: United (2024-2025)|Legacy: United]]'')}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Powerglide (G1)#Age of the Primes|Powerglide]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ratchet (Animated)#Age of the Primes|Animated Ratchet]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Smokescreen (Prime)#Age of the Primes|Smokescreen]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Swerve (G1)#Age of the Primes|Swerve]]}}
</ul>
|}
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{{comingsoontoy | Wave 5}}

===Voyager Class===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' (2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr1|[[Prima#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Prima Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Red Alert (Armada)#Age of the Primes|Autobot Red Alert]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' (2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Heatwave (RB)#Age of the Primes|Rescue Bot Heatwave]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Sky-Byte (RID)#Age of the Primes|Sky-Byte]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' (2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr3|[[Alpha Trion/toys#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Alpha Trion]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Flatline (G1)#Age of the Primes|Flatline]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:AOTP-toy Amalgamous.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Amalgamous Prime#Age of the Primes|Amalgamous Prime]]]]
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' (2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr9|[[Amalgamous Prime#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Amalgamous Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Brawl (G1)#Age of the Primes|Combaticon Brawl]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)#Age of the Primes|Junkion Wreck-Gar]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' (2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Sideways (Armada)#AOTPArmada|Sideways]] (w/ [[Rook (Armada)#Age of the Primes|Rook]] and [[Crosswise (Armada)#Age of the Primes|Mini-Con Crosswise]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' (2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Swindle (G1)#Age of the Primes|Combaticon Swindle]]}}
</ul>
|}
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{{comingsoontoy | Waves 5 and 6}}

===Leader Class===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' (2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Age of the Primes|G2 Universe Grimlock]] / [[Wheelie (G1)#Age of the Primes|Autobot Wheelie]]}}
{{Bp-pr12|[[The Fallen/toys#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Megatronus the Fallen]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' (2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr8|[[Onyx Prime#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Onyx Prime]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' (2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|[[Big Convoy#Age of the Primes|Maximal Big Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Razorclaw (Universe)#Age of the Primes|Razorclaw]]}}
</ul>
|
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|[[File:AOTP Megatronus the Fallen.jpeg|thumb|200px|[[The Fallen/toys#Age of the Primes|Megatronus the Fallen]]]]
|}
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===Big ticket items===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Commander Class'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Silverbolt (G1)#Age of the Primes|Aerialbot Silverbolt]] (2025)}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Onslaught (G1)#Age of the Primes|Combaticon Onslaught]] (2026)}}
</ul>
|
|width="50%" valign="top"|'''Titan Class'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr13|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Star Optimus Prime]] (w/ [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Age of the Primes|Micromaster Autobot Hot Rod]]) (2025)}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|[[File:AOTPTitanStarConvoy.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Age of the Primes|Star Optimus Prime]]]]
|}
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{{comingsoontoy | Combaticon Onslaught}}

==Exclusives==
''Age of the Primes'' continues ''Legacy'''s trend of themed "capsule" lines exclusive to various retailers, beginning with the "Wreck 'n Doom Collection", a [[Wreckers]] vs. [[Mayhem Attack Squad]]-themed line continuing on from the previous "Wreck 'n Rule" and "Doom 'n Destruction" collections, exclusive to [[Amazon]] in North America. This year's (incredibly small) [[Walmart]] line is themed around ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' in celebration of its 20th anniversary. The ''[[Generations Selects (toyline)|Generations Selects]]'' assortment from previous lines remains, with a new packaging design based on the other ''Age of the Primes'' toys.

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Walmart ''Cybertron'' Deluxes'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Excellion (Cybertron)#Age of the Primes|Excellion]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Sideways (Armada)#Age of the Primes|Sideways]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Amazon ''Wreck 'n Doom Collection'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-wrmas|[[Carnivac (G1)#Age of the Primes|Carnivac]] vs. [[Ironfist (G1)#Age of the Primes|Fisitron]] (w/ [[Survivor (AOTP)#Toys|Decepticon Survivor]])}}
{{Bp-wrmas|[[Sandstorm (G1)#Age of the Primes|Autobot Sandstorm]] vs. [[Slugslinger (G1)#Age of the Primes|Slugslinger]] (w/ [[Caliburst (G1)#Age of the Primes|Caliburst]])}}
{{Bp-wrmas|[[Spinister (G1)#Age of the Primes|Spinister]] vs. [[Topspin (G1)#Age of the Primes|Topspin]] (w/ [[Hairsplitter#Age of the Primes|Hairsplitter]], [[Singe#Age of the Primes|Singe]], and [[Freezeout (TR)#Age of the Primes|Freezeout]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Generations Selects'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Trypticon (G1)#Generations Selects|Trypticon]] (w/ [[Full-Tilt (G1)#Generations Selects|Full-Tilt]] and [[Wipe-Out#Generations Selects|Necro]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Snarl (G1)#Age of the Primes|G2 Universe Dinobot Snarl]] / [[Slag (G1)/toys#Age of the Primes|G2 Universe Dinobot Slug]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Swoop (G1)/toys#Age of the Primes|G2 Dinobot Swoop]] / [[Sludge (G1)#Age of the Primes|G2 Dinobot Sludge]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Target'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Age of the Primes|Ultra Magnus]], [[Bumper (G1)#Age of the Primes|Autobot Bumper]] vs. [[Horri-Bull#Age of the Primes|Horri-Bull]], [[Nemesis Prime (Animated)#Age of the Primes|Nemesis Prime]] (w/ [[Kreb#Age of the Primes|Kreb]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:AOTP_Deluxe_Sideways.jpg|thumb|200px|Walmart exclusive [[Sideways (Armada)#Age of the Primes|Sideways]]]]
|}
{{comingsoontoy|G2 Dinobot Swoop/Sludge}}

==''Age of the Primes'' (TakaraTomy)==
[[TakaraTomy]]'s normal-retail ''Transformers Age of the Primes'' (トランスフォーマーエイジ・オブ・ザ・プライム ''Toransufōmā Eiji obu za Puraimu'') toyline is largely the same as Hasbro's, with no notable changes to the toys proper (other than the omission of the tampographed Hasbro product code numbers); the one "big" change is that the packaging adds [[List of Japanese ID numbers|ID numbers]] for each item.

===General retail===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[June 28]], [[2025]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-01 [[Silverbolt (G1)#Age of the Primes|Silverbolt]]}}
{{Bp-pr4|AOTP-02 [[Solus Prime#Age of the Primes|Solus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-03 [[Wasp#Age of the Primes|Waspinator (Animated)]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[July 26]], 2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-04 [[Air Raid (G1)#Age of the Primes|Air Raid]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-05 [[Slingshot (G1)#Age of the Primes|Slingshot]]}}
{{Bp-pr12|AOTP-06 [[The Fallen/toys#Age of the Primes|Megatronus the Fallen]]}}
{{Bp-pr1|AOTP-07 [[Prima#Age of the Primes|Prima Prime]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[August 30]], 2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-08 [[Red Alert (Armada)#Age of the Primes|Red Alert (Armada Universe)]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-09 [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Age of the Primes|Grimlock (G2 Universe)]] & [[Wheelie (G1)#Age of the Primes|Wheelie]]}}
{{Bp-pr13|AOTP-10 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Age of the Primes|Star Optimus Prime]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' ([[September 27]], 2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr6|AOTP-11 [[Maccadam#Age of the Primes|Alchemist Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-12 [[Heatwave (RB)#Age of the Primes|Rescue Bots Heatwave]]}}
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-13 [[Trypticon (G1)#Generations Selects|Decepticon Trypticon]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=4|[[File:AOTP-toy Heatwave.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Heatwave (RB)#Age of the Primes|Rescue Bot Heatwave]]]][[File:AOTP-Venin.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Venom (G1)#Age of the Primes|Venin]]]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' ([[October 25]], 2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-14 [[Vortex (G1)#Age of the Primes|Decepticon Vortex]]}}
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-15 [[Sky-Byte (RID)#Age of the Primes|Sky-Byte (RID 2001 Universe)]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' ([[December 27]], 2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr5|AOTP-16 [[Micronus Prime#Age of the Primes|Micronus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-17 [[Venom (G1)#Age of the Primes|Venin]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-18 [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)#Age of the Primes|Skydive]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-19 [[Fireflight (G1)#Age of the Primes|Fireflight]]}}
{{Bp-pr3|AOTP-20 [[Alpha Trion/toys#Age of the Primes|Alpha Trion]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 7''' ([[January 31]], [[2026]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-21 [[Flatline (G1)#Age of the Primes|Decepticon Flatline]]}}
{{Bp-pr8|AOTP-22 [[Onyx Prime#Age of the Primes|Onyx Prime]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 8''' ([[March 28]], 2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr10|AOTP-23 [[Quintus Prime#Age of the Primes|Quintus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-24 [[Blast Off (G1)#Age of the Primes|Blast Off]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-25 [[Sureshot (G1)#Age of the Primes|Sureshot]]}}
{{Bp-p1|AOTP-26 [[Quickstrike (BW)#Age of the Primes|Quickstrike]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-27 [[Jalopy#Age of the Primes|Junkion Jalopy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-28 [[Sideways (Armada)#Age of the Primes|Sideways]]}}
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 9''' ([[April 25]], 2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr9|AOTP-29 [[Amalgamous Prime#Age of the Primes|Amalgamous Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-30 [[Brawl (G1)#Age of the Primes|Brawl]]}}
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{{Bp-m1|AOTP-32 [[Big Convoy#Age of the Primes|Maximal Big Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-33 [[Razorclaw (Universe)#Age of the Primes|Razorclaw]]}}
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{{Bp-d1|AOTP-34 [[Onslaught (G1)#Age of the Primes|Onslaught]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|AOTP-35 [[Sideways (Armada)#Age of the Primes|Sideways (Armada Universe)]]}}
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{{comingsoontoy|Waves 7 through 11}}

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{{Bp-wrmas|AOTP-EX [[Carnivac (G1)#Age of the Primes|Carnivac]] vs. [[Ironfist (G1)#Age of the Primes|Fisitron]] (w/ [[Survivor (AOTP)#Toys|Decepticon Survivor]])}}
{{Bp-wrmas|AOTP-EX [[Spinister (G1)#Age of the Primes|Spinister]] vs. [[Topspin (G1)#Age of the Primes|Autobot Topspin]] (w/ [[Hairsplitter#Age of the Primes|Hairsplitter]], [[Singe#Age of the Primes|Singe]], and [[Freezeout (TR)#Age of the Primes|Freezeout]])}}
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==Notes==
*Concurrently with 2025’s ''[[Studio_Series#2025|Studio Series]]'' assortment, the toyline sees a return to the plastic windows not seen on Transformers packaging since ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom]]''. Also like ''Studio Series'', the boxes are now less decorated than their predecessors, replacing the full package artwork with an all-black design that has art of the figure’s robot and alternate forms on one side of the window, with the robot form on the left side of the box and the toyline’s poster on the right, and little graphics on the front showing the toy’s step count.
*The Thirteen’s roster (and many of their designs and artifacts) are pulled from [[2013]]’s ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus]]'', with the [[Thirteenth Prime]] represented by Optimus Prime in his [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Return of Convoy|Star Convoy]] form.
*''Age of the Primes'' coincides with the Thirteen's major role in the theatrical film ''[[Transformers One (film)|Transformers One]]''.
*The Thirteen's boxes feature subtly distinct livery from the "mortal" figures in the line: their names and transformation step callouts are rendered in gold rather than the usual white, and their [[Insignia/Gallery#Religious symbols|personal sigils]] developed for [[2018]]'s ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)|Power of the Primes]]'' take the place of faction symbols.
*Unlike the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' and ''Legacy'' toylines, which were each three years long, ''Age of the Primes'' is only two years.<ref name=usedtwice /><ref>{{citesocial|quote= 2026 and 2025 are linked together, I can say that, and if you can believe it we’re already starting to think a little bit about 2027.|link=https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/08/03/sdcc-2024-hasbro-interview-john-wardens-return-generations-studio-series-combiners-more-513802|name=John Warden|site=TFW2005|title=SDCC 2024 Hasbro Interview – John Warden’s Return, Generations, Studio Series, Combiners, More!|year=2024|month=08|day=03}}</ref> Also unlike those lines, it will not be rebranded with a new name for the second year.<ref>{{citesocial|quote= Yes, 2026 will also be Age of the Primes.|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/2025-generations-listings-united-wave-5-age-of-the-primes.1259609/page-1203#post-22990969|name=Evan Brooks|site=Instagram|year=2025|month=01|day=04}}</ref>
*''Age of the Primes'' was previously teased with the releases of ''Legacy'' [[Vector Prime#Legacy|Vector Prime]] and [[Malleus Minotaurus]], the former of whom was later featured on official art for the toyline.
*Though it continues to include characters from all parts of the brand’s history, ''Age of the Primes'' mostly drops the universe designations from their names.
*The majority of the figures in the toyline are identified as direct descendants of one of the Thirteen through something referred to as an "[[Energon bloodline]]" in another element derived from the Covenant, though use of the phrase "bloodline" for the concept raises some [[Reproduction|serious questions]].
*The [[Liokaiser#Legacy|Liokaiser box set]] that constituted the [[2025]] [[Hasbro Pulse#HasLab|HasLab campaign]] was branded as part of the prior ''Legacy'' line to maintain consistency with the previous [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|''Victory'']]-based Haslab Transformers<ref>{{citesocial|quote=We decided to make Liokaiser part of Legacy mainly for branding reasons. With HasLabs, a lot of fans tend to keep those figures in the box, which is a bit different from how most people collect the mainline figures. Since Victory Saber and Deathsaurus were both released under Legacy—and all three are from the same series—it just made sense to keep that consistency. We really wanted them to feel like they’re part of the same world!|link=https://news.tfw2005.com/2025/06/06/tfw-x-mark-maher-qa-aotp-haslabs-commanders-more-539034|name=Mark Maher|site=TFW2005|year=2025|month=06|day=06}}</ref>, leaving the first year of ''Age of the Primes'' without a HasLab.
*Due to ''[[Studio Series]]'' taking the Titan Class slot, [[2026]] is the first year since the inception of the price point where the main [[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|''Generations'']] imprint has gone without a Titan Class figure.

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

==External links==
*[https://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/products/tf_aop ''Transformers: Age of the Primes''] at the TakaraTomy website

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Time-jump trigger device

2026-01-19T22:48:19Z

Omegatron: /* Marvel The Transformers comics */

[[File:Fallen Angel Galvatron time-jumps.jpg|upright=1.95|thumb]]
'''Time-jump trigger devices''', also called '''time control triggers''' and '''time-jump trigger mechanisms''', are portable instruments with which people can summon a [[Time-jump mechanism|time portal]] to the past and back to their present. A time-jump trigger device takes its operator and all standing close to them to the chosen past, but if used for the return trip, it only takes those along who are both close by and came from the future. A sort of upgraded version was made once, simply called an '''over-ride mechanism''', which was capable of returning everyone to the future regardless of their distance from the device.

==Fiction==
===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
{{noteukexclusive|The time-jump trigger device}}
Believing he could accomplish nothing in [[1986]] that would help his [[2006]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] collected his lieutenants and activated his time-jump trigger device to get back to their [[The Transformers: The Movie|home time]]. [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] did the same since he and his soldiers no longer had a reason to be in the past. {{storylink|Target: 2006}} However, Galvatron found his home time to be not up to his standards when Rodimus Prime defeated him and threw him into space, so he used the trigger device he, unbeknown to his enemies, still had to travel to the year [[1987]]. There, he hoped to have no noteworthy opposition when he'd work on a way to become invincible. {{storylink|Fallen Angel}}

[[File:Fire on High! over-ride mechanism.jpg|upright=0.85|left|thumb]]
In 2006, Rodimus Prime eventually learned of how Galvatron had eluded him thus far and brought together a team to defeat the [[Decepticon]] in 1987. {{storylink|Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!}} Once the [[Autobot]]s had gotten enough confirmation that they couldn't defeat Galvatron, [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Goldbug]] suggested a plan to get Galvatron back with them to 2006, where he would be far less harmful. While all the other Autobots would distract Galvatron, Wreck-Gar would steal his trigger device and use its and the Autobots' trigger device's parts to make a new, stronger instrument that would send them all back at once. The plan was implemented and went well until Galvatron defeated [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] and, in thinking that now nothing stood in his way to godhood, realized there was one thing. Searching for his trigger device, he realized what was going on and engaged Wreck-Gar's bodyguard Rodimus in battle. Wreck-Gar meanwhile was having trouble finishing the over-ride mechanism because there were some peculiar differences between the Autobots' and Galvatron's trigger devices. A surprise attack by Death's Head took the Galvatron-problem temporarily out of Autobot hands and Rodimus Prime decided that they had no time to investigate the oddities in Galvatron's device. Wreck-Gar thus activated the mechanism as he had built it, sending all Autobots back to 2006... but not Galvatron, who had tampered with his device to prevent such a move from being pulled on him. {{storylink|Fire on High!}}

[[File:Wrecking Havoc Shockwave considers the time-jump trigger device.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb]]
With no means to get back to 2006, Galvatron stayed on [[Earth]], planning his grand comeback. He was contacted in [[1988]] by [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], [[The Legacy of Unicron!|both now stuck in the past too]], and arranged to meet them in some city in [[Oregon]]. But while Galvatron thought the two wanted to serve him once again, Scourge and Cyclonus were actually after the trigger device they knew he had, so that they could return to [[2008]] and rule [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Galvatron was amused when he learned of this, challenging them to fight him for the trigger device rather than telling them he no longer had it. The arrival of the [[Wreckers]] worsened the situation considerably, until Galvatron taunted them with their terrible timing, mentioning the other two Decepticons were after a trigger device they did not know no longer existed. This gave [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] an idea, and he faked having stolen the trigger device from Galvatron to get Scourge and Cyclonus after him, away from the city and its people. The two caught up with him just outside the city, beating him unconscious only to discover he never had the trigger device. Upon the arrival of the other Autobots, they fled. {{storylink|Wrecking Havoc}}

Eventually, Galvatron's long stay in the past and Cyclonus's and Scourge's [[Mass substitution|unbalanced]] stay caused a time rift in [[1989]], which destroyed [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]] and was about to do the same to Cybertron and Earth. Many parties got involved in the events around this threat, some too from the future. When the ordeal had been brought to an end, the future-original parties used trigger devices to get back to their home time. Before Rodimus Prime's party went though, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] advised them to have all the time-jump devices destroyed to ensure a near-disaster like this would never happen again. {{storylink|Time Wars}}

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Popular Cybertronian vehicle alternate modes

2026-01-17T00:31:12Z

Omegatron: /* Hovercar */

Whether on [[Earth]], Cybertron, or out in the cosmos, [[Transformer]]s often assume vehicle modes that defy human notions of form, function, and physics. Despite the infinite possibilities out there, sometimes these reappear in odd trends.

'''TFWiki.net: The Transformers Wiki''' has certain requirements for an alt-mode to be listed here. There must be at least '''three unique toy molds''' (as cybertronian modes are rather more common in fiction, this page will focus on the toys) that share the archetype. There must also be at least '''one unique character per mold''' —a single character getting numerous revamps in similar bodies over the years would not count as a "popular mode."

Each mold is listed on its own line, with all different-character decoes/retools on the same line. The list is (more or less) organized in chronological order of toy release or fictional appearance.

:''See also'': [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes]], [[Popular beast alternate modes]], [[Non-vehicle non-beast alternate modes]]

==[[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes#AH-64 Apache copter|Apache]]-esque helicopter==
[[File:WFC-Siege-Deluxe-Spinister.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|To Cybertronian vehicle, or not to Cybertronian vehicle.]]
* [[Rotorstorm (G1)#The_Transformers|G1 Rotorstorm]] / [[Sandstorm (G1)#Machine Wars|G1 Sandstorm (''Machine Wars'')]] / [[Whirl (Universe)#Universe_.282003.29|''Universe'' Whirl]]
* [[Bulkhead (Energon)#Energon|''Energon'' Bulkhead]] / [[Quickstrike (Energon)#Energon|''Energon'' Quickstrike]]
* [[Spinister (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|G1 Spinister (''War for Cybertron: Siege'')]] / [[Rotorstorm (G1)#Generations Selects|G1 Rotorstorm (''Generations Selects'')]]
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==Drill tank==
[[File:G1-toy PowerdasherDrill.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
* [[Twin Twist (G1)#The_Transformers|Twin Twist]] / [[Salt-Man Z#Transformers|Salt-Man Z]] / [[Robot-Man Z#Generation 2|Robot-Man Z]]
* [[Zetar (G1)#The Transformers|Zetar]]
* [[Nosecone (G1)#The Transformers|G1 Nosecone]] / [[Ram Horn#Combiner Wars|General Ramhorn]]
* [[Quickswitch#The Transformers|Quickswitch]] / [[Sixknight#Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers|Sixknight]]
* [[Drillhorn (G1)#Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers|''Victory'' Drillhorn]] / [[Rescue Force 3#The Transformers|Rescue Force 3]]
* [[Dai Atlas (G1)#Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers|''Zone'' Dai Atlas]]
* [[Drillbuster#Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers|Drillbuster]]
* [[Scavenger (BW)#Beast Wars|''Beast Wars'' Scavenger]]
* [[Galvatron (BW)#Beast Wars|''Beast Wars II'' Galvatron]]
* [[Drill Bit (Armada)#Armada|''Armada'' Drill Bit]] / [[Rock Krusher#Galaxy Force|Rock Krusher]] / [[Monocle#Cybertron|Monocle]]
* [[Crush (G1)#Gaiacross|Crush]]
* [[Heatrock#G Guardian|Heatrock]]
* [[Tu Xingsun#Nezha: Transformers|Tu Xingsun]]
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==H-tank==
[[File:ROTF-toy Sparkcrusher.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
* [[Megatron (Armada)/toys#Armada|''Armada'' Megatron]] / [[Megazarak (Universe)#Universe .282003.29|''Universe'' Megazarak]]
* [[Warpath (G1)#Universe (2008)|G1 Warpath (''Universe'')]] / [[Sparkcrusher#Revenge of the Fallen|Sparkcrusher]]
* [[Shockwave (Animated)#Animated|''Animated'' Shockwave]]
* [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Revenge of the Fallen|Movie Megatron (''Revenge of the Fallen'')]] / [[Blitzwing (BB)#Bumblebee|''Bumblebee'' Blitzwing]]
* [[Shockwave (WFC)#Beast_Hunters|Aligned Shockwave (''Prime'')]]
* [[Strika (BM)#Timelines|''Beast Machines'' Strika (Timelines)]] / [[Blastcharge Strika Drone#Timelines|Blastcharge Strika Drone]] / [[Treadshot (G1)#Timelines|G1 Treadshot (Timelines)]]
* [[Shockwave (Movie)#SSBB|''Bumblebee'' Shockwave (''Studio Series'')]]
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==Hovercar==
[[File:CombinerWarsMinimusAmbus.jpg|thumb|upright=1]]
* [[Blurr (G1)/toys#The Transformers|G1 Blurr]] / [[Arcee (G1)/toys#Titans Return|G1 Arcee (''Titans Return'')]]
* [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Titanium Series|G1 Prowl (''Titanium'')]]
* [[Minimus Ambus#Combiner Wars|Minimus Ambus]] / [[Alpha Trion/toys#Legends|G1 Alpha Trion (''Legends'')]]
* [[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)#CybertronianWarrior|''Cyberverse'' Bumblebee (Cybertronian Mode)]]
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==Hovertank==
[[File:CV-toy Clobber.jpg|thumb|upright=1|Also officially known as a "Space Thing."]]
* [[Megatron (WFC)/toys#Generations|Aligned Megatron (''Generations'')]] / [[Megatron (G1)/toys#United|G1 Megatron (''United'')]] / [[Megatron (KOU)#Knights of Unicron|''Knights of Unicron'' Megatron]]
* [[Rampage (BW)#Timelines 2|''Beast Wars'' Rampage (Timelines)]] / [[Shokaract#Timelines|Shockaract (Timelines)]]
* [[Clobber (Cyberverse)#Cyberverse|''Cyberverse'' Clobber]]
* [[Megatron (Cyberverse)#Warrior Class|''Cyberverse'' Megatron (Cybertronian Mode)]]
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==Spider tank==
[[File:Cyb-toy Scrapmetal yellow.jpg|thumb|upright=1|Thankfully for Arachnophobes, these only feature four legs.]]
* [[Scrapmetal (race)#Cybertron|''Cybertron'' Scrapmetal]] / [[Cobybot#Galaxy Force|Cobybot]] / [[Inferno (BW)#Universe .282003.29|''Beast Wars'' Inferno (''Universe'')]] / [[Rumble (G1)/toys#Universe .282003.29|G1 Rumble (''Universe'')]]
* [[Thunderhead#Dark_of_the_Moon|Thunderhead]] / [[Crosshairs (Movie)#Dark of the Moon|''Dark of the Moon'' Crosshairs]]
* [[Shockwave (Cyberverse)#Cyberverse|''Cyberverse'' Shockwave]]
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==Tetrajet==
[[File:WFCT-toy SparklessSeeker.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Local Decepticon learns how to ignore aerodynamics! Physicists hate him!]]
* [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Titanium Series|G1 Starscream (''Titanium'')]] / [[Sunstorm (G1)#Titanium Series|G1 Sunstorm (''Titanium'')]] / [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Titanium Series|G1 Skywarp (''Titanium'')]] / [[Thrust (G1)/toys#Titanium_Series|G1 Thrust (''Titanium'')]]
* [[Starscream (Armada)/toys#Cybertron|''Armada'' Starscream (''Cybertron'')]] / [[Sunstorm (Universe)#Cybertron|''Universe'' Sunstorm (''Cybertron'')]] / [[Ramjet (G1)/toys#Universe .282008.29|G1 Ramjet (''Universe'')]] / [[Dirge (G1)/toys#Universe .282008.29|G1 Dirge (''Universe'')]] / [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Cyberverse|Movie Starscream (''Dark of the Moon'' Cybertronian mode)]]
* [[Starscream (WFC)/toys#Generations|Aligned Starscream (''Generations'')]] / [[Skywarp (WFC)#Generations .28Takara.29|Aligned Skywarp (''Generations'']]) / [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Generations|G1 Skywarp (''Thrilling 30'')]] / [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Thrilling 30|G1 Thundercracker (''Thrilling 30)]]
* [[Starscream (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|G1 Starscream (''War for Cybertron: Siege'')]] / [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|G1 Thundercracker (''War for Cybertron: Siege'')]] / [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|G1 Skywarp (''War for Cybertron: Siege'')]] / [[Red Wing (G1)#Generations Selects|Red Wing (''Generations Selects'')]] / [[Acid Storm (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|G1 Acid Storm (''War for Cybertron: Siege'')]] / [[Nova Storm (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|G1 Nova Storm (''War for Cybertron: Siege'')]] / [[Ion Storm#War for Cybertron: Siege|G1 Ion Storm (''War for Cybertron: Siege'')]] / [[Hotlink (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy|G1 Hotlink (''War for Cybertron Trilogy'')]] / [[Sparkless#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Sparkless Seeker]] / [[Nacelle (G1)#Legacy|G1 Nacelle (''Legacy'')]] / [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#HumbleOrigins|Senator Shockwave (''Legacy'')]] / [[Wingstun#2019 IDW continuity|Wingstun ''(2019 IDW Continuity)'']] / [[Hooligan (G2)#2019 IDW continuity|Hooligan ''(2019 IDW continuity)'']] / [[Space Case (G2)#2019 IDW continuity|Space Case ''(2019 IDW continuity)'']]
* [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Studio_Series|Movie Starscream (''Bumblebee'')]] / [[Thrust (Movie)#Studio Series|Movie Thrust (''Bumblebee'')]] / [[Thundercracker (Movie)#Studio Series|Movie Thundercracker (''Bumblebee'')]]
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==Twin-cockpit jet==
[[File:G1-toy Slugslinger.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|The second cockpit's for your younger sibling to use and pretend he's flying]]
* [[Slugslinger (G1)#The Transformers|G1 Slugslinger]]
* [[Doubleheader#The Transformers|Doubleheader]]
* [[Slugslinger (Energon)#Energon|''Energon'' Slugslinger]] / [[Airazor (BW)#Timelines_2|''Beast Wars'' Airazor (Timelines)]]
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The Transformers: The Movie promo

2026-01-04T22:24:53Z

Omegatron: /* External links */ Higher quality version

{{nav-tftm}}
[[File:TFTM promo title card.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I'm getting all nipply...]]
Early in the production of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', a '''promotional trailer''' was made to sell the project to potential investors.

{{bigquote|A new motion picture will transform the summer of 1986 into an incredible adventure.|The promo's opening blurb.}}

This trailer features a fair bit of test footage that was either changed or cut before the movie's release, together with a few lines of unique narration by [[Victor Caroli]].

==Notable differences==
[[File:TFTMpromo-SnarlWithSwoop.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|"Hey man. How long have you been there for?"]]
*There are close-up shots of both of [[Unicron]]'s pincers piercing [[Lithone (planet)|Lithone]]'s surface.
**Unicron's inner workings have a much more organic appearance to them.
*The [[Autobot shuttle]] is a slightly different design and colour scheme.
*When [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] tells his story about the [[Ick-Yak]] to the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], they are sitting around in robot mode.
**Kup's dialogue is from a different take to that which was used in the movie.
**[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] is also prominently featured in this scene, despite being relegated to cameo status within the actual movie. However, this comes at the cost of [[Slag (G1)|Slag]], who doesn't appear at all in this scene, as per the original script's description of "the four Dinobots".
**[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]] are shown travelling in the same shuttlecraft as [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]].
*What is shown of the [[Battle of Autobot City]] is a bit more energetic and violent than the final version.
**[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] is drawn in his [[Diaclone]] colours.[[File:DiacloneMagnusAnime1.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|Y'all know me. Still the same O.G.]]
**[[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] is mostly white.
*Rather than the [[Matrix of Leadership]], [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] wears a glowing-pink wireframe around his neck, which may be the jar holding the [[Life Spark]] of Optimus Prime, which was in early versions of the script before being replaced by the Matrix in the final film.
*Galvatron falls inside Unicron as he transforms, only to suddenly reappear outside of him.
*Unicron in robot mode has an orange mohawk and is missing his [[facial hair]].

In addition to the above points, there are a few lighting and sound effects featured that were changed for the movie's release.

Musically, the trailer is soundtracked with selections from {{w|James Horner}}'s score to ''{{w|Star Trek III: The Search for Spock}}'' (specifically, the "Mind Meld", "Return to [[Vulcan]]" and "Bird of Prey Decloaks" cues). During the destruction of Lithone "Io" by Wendy Carlos is used, whilst "Losfer Words" by Iron Maiden is used during the Autobot city battle.

==Japanese version==
A slightly re-edited version of the trailer exists that features Japanese captions on screen. Apart from these captions, there is little difference between the two versions; the opening blurb has been removed (probably due to it being pointless in front of an audience that can't read English), and some of the blank footage between cuts has been trimmed down. An excerpt from an instrumental track by the legendary British metal band [[Iron Maiden]], "Losfer Words (Big 'Orra)" (from their 1984 album ''Powerslave'') is heard in this promo as well.

This version was available in Japan on the [[Transformers Hero]] Laserdisc. The laserdisc was widely bootlegged on VHS tape in the US.

==Theatrical version==
The promo was later cut down to around 90 seconds in length (from its original 4¼ minutes), re-cropped to fit a widescreen aspect ratio, and sent out to cinemas as the movie's first [[commercial|theatrical trailer]].

[[File:TFTM promo theatrical.jpg|thumb|left|225px|''The Transformers: The Migraine™'']]
This version is composed of the original opening blurb, a new flashy title card (which is so awesome that it is shown 2½ times by the time the trailer ends), a shorter version of the scene aboard the Autobot shuttle including the captions that introduce the new characters and their voice actors but omitting Kup's monologue, and the Battle of Autobot City sequence.

The theatrical version also differs from the original promo in that it is scored with a preliminary version of [[Vince DiCola]]'s "[[Escape (song)|Escape]]" (as later featured on [[Vince DiCola Presents: The Protoform Sessions]]), together with some brand new Victor Caroli narration.

Being a trailer, it is preceded by the perennial {{w|MPAA}} green screen and the [[Dino De Laurentiis|De Laurentiis Entertainment Group]] logo, and ends with a promise that the movie will be "coming this summer to a theatre near you".

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==Home video releases==
The different versions of the promotional trailer have been made available to the general public as a bonus feature on a few DVDs:

[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2002 — ''Transformers'' — Complete Original Series: Deluxe Edition ([[Maverick Entertainment|Sony Wonder]]) — The Japanese version. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2005 — ''Transformers: The Movie'' — Reconstructed ([[Metrodome]]) — The Japanese version. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2006 — ''Transformers: The Movie'' — 20th Anniversary Special Edition ([[Sony|Sony BMG]]) — The theatrical version. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2006 — ''Transformers: The Movie'' — 20th Anniversary Special Edition (Sony BMG) — The original version, but with commentary by [[Paul Hitchens]] in lieu of the audio track. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2007 — ''Transformers: The Movie'' — Ultimate Edition (Metrodome) — The Japanese version.

==External links==
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTg95728_-8 The Japanese version of the promo on YouTube]
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpSdMb_NkBI The theatrical version of the promo on YouTube]
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAKMjhJXSV0 Four-minute version of the promo on YouTube]
{{DEFAULTSORT:Transformers: The Movie promo}}
[[Category:Generation 1 media]]

Hoist (SG)

2025-12-16T22:10:31Z

Omegatron: /* Fun Publications Shattered Glass continuity */

{{factions|sgAutobot}}
{{disambig3.5|the evil Autobot medic|his heroic counterpart|Hoist (G1)|Hoist}}
:''Hoist is an evil [[Autobot]] medic from the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:BotCon2015 Lift-Ticket CardArt.jpg|right|thumb|300px|]]

'''Hoist''' can't be bothered to do his medic work with any real effort. His repairs are shoddy, at best—lazy, jury-rigged, and rudimentary. Still, if you can't afford [[Fixit (SG)|Fixit]]'s price, even Hoist's low-rent patch jobs are worlds better than being one of [[Ratchet (SG)|Ratchet]]'s experiments.

{{Bigquote|Ratchet weirds me out. But I thought Hoist was just lazy.|Grindor comments on Side Burns remarks about Ratchet and Hoist, "[[Coalescence]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Fun Publications ''Shattered Glass'' continuity===
After getting "repaired" by Hoist, [[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]] mused that, while his wounds were barely patched and he still hurt all over, he was still glad to not join [[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]] in getting sent to Ratchet for treatment. {{storylink|Dungeons & Dinobots}}

[[Side Burn (SG)|Side Burn]] mentioned Hoist and his haphazard approach to repairs when tending to his Transhuman subjects. {{storylink|Coalescence}}

==Toys==
===''Timelines''===
[[File:BotCon2015toy-Lift-Ticket.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Lift-Ticket''' (Souvenir set, 2015)
**''Accessories'': Towing hook/blaster
{{note|''Shattered Glass'' Hoist was repurposed from BotCon 2015 [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)#Toys|Lift-Ticket]].}}
:''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' Lift-Ticket is a redeco of ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations: Thrilling 30]]'' Deluxe Class [[Hoist (G1)/toys#Deluxe|Hoist]], itself a retool of ''Generations'' [[Trailbreaker (G1)/toys#Generations|Trailcutter]]. He transforms into an off-road truck, and comes with a towing hook that can transform into a blaster and peg via [[5 mm post]] onto any of his numerous ports. He was available only in an at-show "Diaclone 2-pack" souvenir set with [[Burn Out (Diaclone)#Toys|Burn Out]] at [[BotCon 2015]].

:In terms of assembly error, at least a small number of units has his towing hook assembled backwards. (This was mostly present on the Transformers Collector's Club's web shop sales though.)

:The original tooling of this toy also served as the basis of the non-toy characters [[Flatline (G1)|IDW Flatline]], [[Turbofire#Wings Universe|''Wings Universe'' Turbofire]], and [[Trailbreaker (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' Trailbreaker]] and [[Lockdown (SG)|Lockdown]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Diaclone/Lift-Ticket/lift-ticket.htm More information on Lift-Ticket at TFU.info]''

==Notes==
* Hoist never actually appears during the stories, and is only mentioned by other characters.
* Writer [[Jesse Wittenrich]] clarified that Hoist could be represented by the then-recent BotCon 2015 Lift-Ticket toy.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=For those color schemes, the Minibots are typically the Brazilian/Argentina colors. Hoist I imagined would be a good reuse for BotCon 2015 Lift-Ticket. Just as Skids was described similar to Burnout.|link=https://twitter.com/JesseWittenrich/status/937530506677248001|name=Jesse Wittenrich|site=Twitter|year=2017|month=12|day=04|(defunct=)}}</ref>

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Medics]]
[[Category:Prose-only Transformers]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass Autobots]]

Cog (G1)

2025-12-01T11:51:34Z

Omegatron: /* The Transformers */ Covered n foreign names section

{{featured}}
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{{disambigm|Cog (disambiguation)|Gasket (disambiguation)}}
:''Cog is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:TV Magazine Cog.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Clockwise from top: Cog, Gasket, and Grommet. Not pictured: Widget, Doodad, and Thingamajigger.]]

'''Cog''' is the combined robotic form of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]'s vehicular drones, '''Gasket''' and '''Grommet'''. Cog has no independent will of his (its?) own and is completely under Maximus's control. Functioning as both mechanic and warrior, he allows Fortress Maximus to be at other places while in city mode, as well as to interact with more normally-sized beings.<ref>Fortress Maximus's bios in the [[The Transformers Universe|Marvel ''Transformers Universe'']] and [[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|Dreamwave ''More than Meets the Eye'']].</ref>

When Cog is feeling at his most sentient, he's quick to express skepticism in his leaders' actions, even directly to [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. Someone's got to be the wet blanket, because sometimes the wet blanket's correct.

==Fiction==
===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
{{twoimages|File:Marvelhm01 Cog speaks.jpg|File:Marvelhm01 gasketandgourmet.jpg|caption=Dammit, Max, stop doing your ventriloquist act and ''fight!''}}

Cog was among [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]'s troops that ambushed a prisoner-of-war death march led by [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]. He stood at Fortress Maximus's side as he held the troops, waiting for the perfect moment to strike, then split into his component vehicles Gasket and Grommet for the attack. Cog returned to [[robot mode]] by the time the Decepticons' battle line broke, and he counseled Fortress Maximus to finish off the fleeing Decepticons. Maximus refused, instead calling for a mutual retreat. Both Cog's [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]s were seen returning to the [[Manganese Mountains]] with the rescued prisoners.

Much later, after a disastrous military confrontation with the natives on planet [[Nebulos]], [[:File:Marveluk133 cog sedition.jpg|Cog]] was one of the Autobots that gathered around [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] to talk smack about Fortress Maximus's pacifist-aggressive leadership style. {{storylink|Ring of Hate!}}

===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
[[File:Gasket-Grommet Rebirth3.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6|left]]
Gasket and Grommet acted as turrets for [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]'s third mode during the giant Autobot's barrage on [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] and the [[Decepticon]]s. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}

===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
Cog, Gasket, and Grommet were identified as some of the names or aspects of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] in the Builders' era when [[Survive]] led a unit to eliminate the robot/base. {{storylink|Head Games}}

===''Legends'' comic===
[[File:Cog attached to Fortress Maximus.jpg|thumb|Weaponizer Fortress Maximus]]
In [[2038]], Cog became a butler and attendant to Fortress of [[Master (planet)|Master]]. In the past, Fortress had risked his health whenever he combined with his Battleship Maximus [[transtector]] to become the massive and powerful Fortress Maximus. Cog helped circumvent Fortress's problems by combining with the battleship too, serving as Fortress's life support system. Together, they formed "Weaponizer Fortress Maximus" and joined many Autobot Supreme Commanders in defending Cybertron from [[Dark Nova|Unicron Neo]]. {{storylink|The Road to Legends' Revival Chapter 4: LG-EX Big Powered Prologue Part One|Big Powered Prologue, Part 1}}
{{--}}

===''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' continuity===
====''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' marketing material====
On Cybertron, Cog was a [[Cybertronian military insignia|Ground Command Artillery Sergeant]], whose function was a mechanic. {{storylink|War for Cybertron: Siege|''Siege'' webpage}}<ref name=Siege>[https://transformers.hasbro.com/en-us/brands/siege ''Siege'' website]</ref> During the war for Cybertron, Cog was deployed to the [[Manganese Mountains]], whose rough terrain provided cover for him and other Autobots. This advantage protected them from detection as [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]] made patrols in the area. {{storylink|Source:Teletraan-1 Data Files|''Siege'' Teletraan-1 Data Files}}<ref name=Siege/>

Cog arrived on a flame-wreathed battlefield to give [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] a firepower boost against [[Flywheels|Skytread]]. After Cog combined with Sideswipe, they gained the upper hand until [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] arrived on the scene. He hit Sideswipe so hard that Cog was reduced to a pile of his own parts lying on the ground. {{storylink|Source:Teletraan-1 Data Files#Autobots vs. Decepticons stop motion|Autobots vs. Decepticons stop motion}}

====''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor| [[Brian Robert Burns]] (English), [[Yūki Shin]] (Japanese)|[[Yann Sundberg]] (French), [[Johann Fohl]] (German), [[Alan Bravo]] (Latin-American Spanish), [[Filipe Albuquerque]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}

[[File:SiegeEpisode2-Cog.jpg|thumb|I'm here to finally show up in a cartoon and support Optimus Prime, and I'm all out of supporting Optimus Prime!]]

When [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] reported to the Autobots camped within the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' that [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] had surrendered to [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], Cog warned that them Ultra Magnus knew the location of their base and all their secrets. Therefore, his actions had put them all in danger. After Optimus explained to everyone that Ultra Magnus had sent a message claiming Megatron was hunting for the [[AllSpark]], Cog countered that A) the AllSpark was a myth and B) any action the Autobots could take to counter this plan could be a trap. Cog was among the Autobots who checked out the coordinates in Ultra Magnus' message before being surrounded by hostile Decepticons, as he had predicted. Cog was shot through his midsection by [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] and had to be dragged off the battlefield. Once back at the ''Ark'', Cog was repaired by [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]]. {{storylink|Siege episode 2}}

After Cog returned to duty, Optimus used the [[Alpha Trion Protocols]] to locate the AllSpark within the [[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]]. Cog warned Optimus that no Autobot who entered the region had ever returned. While Optimus led a team into the Sea of Rust despite his warnings, Cog joined [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] in grifting [[Energon]] from the elusive [[Mercenary]] [[Soundblaster (G1)|Soundblaster]]. Thanks to [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]], however, Soundblaster found the trio out. Cog transformed and weaponized Arcee to aid in their escape. {{storylink|Siege episode 5}} Returning to the ''Ark'' with enough Energon to power its launch, Cog helped defense the ship from a Decepticon siege as it flew towards a [[space bridge]]. Ultimately, Cog and the rest of the ''Ark'' crew disappeared through the space bridge to a location unknown. {{storylink|Siege episode 6}}

[[File:SiegeEpisode5-WeaponizedCog.jpg|thumb|left|I make other people awesome!]]

Cog was on the bridge of the ''Ark'' as it mistakenly journeyed through the [[Dead Universe]]. {{Storylink|Earthrise episode 5}} After exiting the Dead Universe, the ''Ark'', ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'', and ''[[Fool's Fortune]]'' locked in a dogfight over [[Earth]]. Coming upon Optimus locked in battle with Megatron, Cog arrived just in time to see Optimus violently threaten Megatron's life. When the ''Fool's Fortune'' fired on the ''Ark'', Cog was sucked into space through a hole in the ship. Infiltrating the Mercenary ship, Cog knocked both [[Bug Bite (G1)|Bug Bite]] and [[Exhaust]] overboard, before making his way to the ship's bridge. Finding that Deseeus was controlling the ship in an attempt to destroy the Autobots and Decepticons, Cog pulled a gun on the Quintesson and shot off one of his tentacles. After being knocked into Doubledealer's chair by a blast from the ''Nemesis'', Cog was stabbed by Deseeus as he made his escape. The mortally wounded Cog sent a message to both the ''Ark'' and the ''Nemesis'' that he had taken the ''Fool's Fortune'' and asked them to stop firing. Unfortunately, the ''Fool's Fortune'' exploded, killing Cog and sending the other ships crashing down to Earth in the process. {{storylink|Earthrise episode 6}}

While the Autobots and [[Maximal]]s searched for the Allspark in a forest on Earth, the object produced an illusion of Cog to Arcee, as part of its defense mechanism. Arcee admitted that Cog couldn't be real. {{storylink|Kingdom episode 3}} After the Allspark was returned to Cybertron, revitalizing it, the Autobots, Maximals, Decepticons, and Predacons resolved their ongoing war and built a statue depicting an Autobot Cog-model soldier and a Decepticon [[Reflector (G1)|Refraktor]]-model soldier standing together, back-to-back. {{storylink|Kingdom episode 6}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
[[File:Cogtoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Sit on my face and tell me that you love me."]]
*'''Fortress Maximus''' (Headmaster Base, [[1987]])
**''Takara ID number'': '''C-114'''
**''Accessories'': "Laser" rifle
{{toydesigner|[[Kōjin Ōno]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Richard Marcej]] (packaging)}}

: Cog was only available as part of the [[Fortress Maximus (G1)#Toys|Fortress Maximus]] set. He is formed by combining the two armored cars, Gasket and Grommet; the process involves little more than removing Gasket's arms and re-pegging them on his sides and then pegging the two vehicles together. The top of Gasket's [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] is sculpted to securely fit [[Spike Witwicky (G1)#Toys|Spike]] or any other large Headmaster figure.

:Cog, Gasket, and Grommet were redecoed into [[Grand Maximus#Toys|Grand Maximus]]'s [[Cog (Masterforce)#Toys|Cog, Onomisu, and Koka]], and [[Fortress Maximus (RID)#Toys|Cybertron City]]'s [[Gadep#Toys|Gadep, Guardia, and Protect]].

::* ''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/Cog/cog.htm More information on Cog at TFU.info]''

===''Encore''===
*'''Fortress Maximus''' (Reissue, [[March]] [[2013]])
**''ID number:'' '''#23'''
**''Accessories'': "Laser" rifle

:The first re-release of Fortress Maximus in ''[[Transformers Encore|Encore]]'' comes with Cog once again. There are no significant differences between the re-release Cog and the original.
{{--}}

===''War for Cybertron: Siege''===
{{anchor|Generations}}
[[File:War-for-Cybertron-Siege-Deluxe-Cog.jpg|thumb|300px|He's back, in Cog form!]]
*'''Cog''' (Deluxe Weaponizer, [[2019]])
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''WFC-S8'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SG-05'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': [[February 23]], [[2019]]
**''Hidden message code'': '''FORTRESSMAXIMUS'''
**''Accessories'': 2 "RT-5 Circuit Welder" pistols
{{toydesigner|[[AJ Piejko-Brown]] (packaging)}}

:Part of the first wave of ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' Deluxe Class figures, Cog transforms from robot into armored vehicle and back. Cog also retains his ability to split into Gasket and Grommet, a trait proudly demonstrated by the packaging artwork. His official alternate mode is a combined half-track vehicle consisting of the two individual vehicles plugged together. However, the flat rectangular tab that holds them together doesn't have a particularly tight fit and has a tendency to come undone during handling. With multiple [[5 mm post|5 mm ports]] and 3 mm posts, he can also accommodate "Fire Blast" effect pieces from the [[Battle Master]]s assortment to simulate blaster fire, or ''taking'' blaster fire. His forearms also have minor hints of battle damage. Cog's transformation is also the simplest of the ''Siege'' "Weaponizer" molds, as it only requires the detachment of three parts.

:As a Weaponizer, he can also be disassembled into an arsenal of weapons, armor, and other upgrades compatible with various other ''Siege'' figures as part of the interchangeable/connectable-weapon [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System]]... or, really, ''any'' figures with [[5 mm post]] attachment points. He splits into a "C-40 Neutron Synthesis Shield" (torso), "C-LR Thermal Booster" (hips and waist), two "C-HV Electro-Scramblers" (arms), and two "C-M3 HF Spectrum Disruptors" (legs), with a pair of "RT-5 Circuit Welders" (his handguns) left over.

:Cog's instructions show two suggested combinations with ''Siege'' Deluxe Class [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Sideswipe]]. The "Defensive Loadout" turns his torso into a shoulder-mounted shield, his legs into a pair of platform shoes, and combines his arms with his hips and waist to form a backpack with over-the-shoulder anti-aircraft guns. The "Offensive Loadout" creates a huge artillery backpack from Cog's lower half, attaching his arms (with his handguns mounted on his wrists) to the bottoms of his feet to create bigger cannons. The sides of Cog's torso are then folded inwards to create a handheld shield.

:"[[The Road to Legends' Revival Chapter 4: LG-EX Big Powered Prologue Part One]]" of the ''[[Transformers Legends (comic)|Legends]]'' comic includes [[:File:Cog attached to Fortress Maximus.jpg|a configuration]] with ''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' [[Fortress Maximus (G1)#Legends|Fortress Maximus]] (and of course, any of his redecoes). This configuration, known as "Weaponizer Fortress Maximus", turns Cog into four pieces of weaponry to attach to Fortress. To replicate it, attach Cog's handguns to each of his legs. Also, fold out his torso into a shield as is done for the "Offensive Loadout", attach his arms to the sides of the shield and rotate his wrist guns to face upwards. Attach Cog's legs to Fortress' left shoulder and right wrist, the shield formed with his torso and arms to Fortress' left wrist, and the waist with the hips pointing forward on top of the gun on the side of Fortress' left leg.

:Cog's "G1" toy and character model both have his front portion as a six-wheeled vehicle, with the middle pair of wheels being coloured gray (as they're molded into the torso). The ''Siege'' toy reinterprets this central pair as simply being circular detail for the shoulder joints. Meanwhile, the treads of the back portion of the vehicle have been flipped upside-down, perhaps to better hide the wheels the toy rolls on. The treads are actually removable, each tightly attached with three small pegs, and can be swapped, but sculpting on the inside stops them from sitting flush in anything other than the default position; the connecting holes are hexagonal, with the rest being circular, probably just an artefact of the injection molding process.

:The 5 mm pegs on his guns are trimmed on the side, and consequently don't fit securely into his hands or the 5 mm ports on other figures; the optimal position for them is on Cog's forearms, as is demonstrated in the above image. Additionally, most of the pegholes featured on Cog's body are in fact hexagonal as opposed to circular, which combined with the trimmed circles leaves them unable to stay positioned properly. A [[Variant#Running changes|running change]] solved this problem by slightly altering the shape of the handles to make them rounder; this change was retained in later versions of the mold.

:This mold serves as the basis for the [[Comms Officer]], [[Security Officer (G1)|Security Officer]], and other assorted [[generic]] Autobots from the [[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|Netflix cartoon]] and was [[retool]]ed with a new head to make ''Siege'' [[Aragon#Generations|Aragon]]. A redeco of Cog (with additional accessories) was later released, based on the Netflix [[Security Officer (G1)#Legacy|Security Officer]].
::*''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60kQRdKs6u8 Official conversion video at the TRANSFORMERS OFFICIAL YouTube channel]''
{{--}}

==Games==
===''Transformers Trading Card Game''===
[[File:W3SergeantCog.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Having a new toy does wonders for an old obscure bot's exposure.]]
*'''Sergeant Cog, Artillery-Mechanic/Heavy Force Defensebreaker Cannon''' (2019)
**'''Wave 3: War for Cybertron: Siege I'''
**''Rarity: '''''SRT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T42/T48'''
**''Stars: ''10
:Sergeant Cog, Artillery-Mechanic is one of forty-eight double-sided character cards available in Wave 3 of the ''[[Transformers Trading Card Game]]'', War for Cybertron: Siege I. As a [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System|Weaponizer]], Sergeant Cog, Artillery-Mechanic begins the game in Bot Mode. Instead of being sent to the KO Area once his Health drops to zero, the card is flipped to the Upgrade side, becoming the Heavy Force Defensebreaker Cannon, and equipped in the Weapons slot of another character on the player's side of the battlefield.
{{--}}

===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
In her lecture at [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]], [[Termagax]] identified Cog as a smaller-than-average [[combiner]]. {{storylink|The Enigma of Combination}}

==Notes==
[[File:Marveluk130 cog dewback.jpg|110px|thumb|You're ''not helping,'' England.]]
* Cog and his components were variously miscolored in almost every appearance in the ''[[The Transformers: Headmasters|Headmasters]]'' book. Such art errors were common in the miniseries. [[:File:Marvelhm01 gromet decepticon.jpg|The one time]] any of his components was colored ''right'' was when Grommet was shown fighting alongside the [[Decepticon]]s.
* Cog's appearance in the ''Headmasters'' comic is a possible art error: he's colored like [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]], and his advice to Fortress Maximus suits Hardhead's aggressive nature. So a possible explanation is that Hardhead was incorrectly drawn as Cog, and [[Nelson Yomtov|the colorist]] was actually using the correct color scheme from the scripted character. This is supported by the fact that Fortress Maximus is also colored correctly—but is drawn like Hardhead!
* In the UK printing, someone noticed the errors and decided that the colors and script were wrong, not the line-art. So the dialogue was changed to have Cog addressing Hardhead, not Fortress Maximus. Unfortunately, not only does this negate the possibility that what appears to be Cog is actually Hardhead himself, but it also attributes the followup line ("There's been enough destruction!") to Hardhead, which does not suit his personality at all.
*Cog's comic book appearance uses Cerebros's cartoon head design. In turn, ''Siege'' Cog homages Cerebros's distinct mouthplate as opposed to the traditional mouthplate on his original toy, and Cog's handguns are also similar to the gun that G1 Cerebros came with.
*Gasket and Grommet's "appearance" in "The Rebirth" is due to their toys having the gimmick of being able to be stored in Fortress Maximus's feet. This was likely the case in photos of the toy given to the animation studio, which led to the character model for Fortress Maximus's third mode including the cannons in the feet.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Cog''' (コグ ''Kogu''), '''Gasket''' (ガスケット ''Gasuketto''), '''Gromme''' (グロメ ''Gurome'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Tengely''' ("Axis")

==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:Siege-Cog-art.jpg|''War for Cybertron: Siege'' art
</gallery>

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:Beast Wars: Uprising Autobots]]
[[Category:Combined forms]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 1 cartoon Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 1 drones]]
[[Category:Generation 1 toy Autobots]]
[[Category:Legends Autobots]]
[[Category:Marvel Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Mechanics]]
[[Category:Multi-component Transformers]]
[[Category:Transformers Roleplaying Game Autobots]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron: Earthrise Autobots]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron: Siege Autobots]]
[[Category:Weaponizers]]

Other Victories

2025-11-26T17:17:36Z

Omegatron: /* Quotes */

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|ep=50
|series2=Metals
|ep2=23
|prev2=Master Blaster
|next2=Nemesis Part 1
|image=OVic opening.JPG
|caption=Sure is nice in the lifeless void.
|title="Other Victories"
|season=3
|season ep=11
|production=[[Mainframe Entertainment]]
|airdate=[[May 5]], [[1999]]
|written by=[[Larry DiTillio]]
|directed by=[[William Lau]]
|animation studio=[[Mainframe Entertainment]]
|continuity=[[Beast Wars continuity]]
|video=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbvpRbQ887M
|videosite=YouTube
}}

'''The aliens send their powerful new emissary Tigerhawk to Earth to stop the continued disruption of the time stream.'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:OtherVictories BirthofTigerhawk.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Oh yeah, we still have these two guys.]]
Somewhere in the vast universe, two entities are discussing the experiment on "[[Earth|Nexus Earth]]". Though the project was "sterilized", there remains a threat. The entities then reveal [[Tigatron]] and [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]], then merge their bodies together, creating a new [[Transformer]]. The aliens inhabit the body and depart in a ball of energy, while two [[spark]]s follow.

[[File:Judge Megatron.JPG|right|upright=0.85|thumb|Believe it or not, you may have better luck on [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]].]]
At the [[Darksyde (BW)|Predacon base]], the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] are holding a "trial" for [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]]. [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] is the "defense", [[Dinobot II|Dinobot]] and [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] are the jury, [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] is taking the minutes, and [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] is the judge, not to mention the fact that he's all dressed up for the occasion. Quickstrike begs for mercy, saying he doesn't know what [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]]'s intentions for destroying the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] were, but offers to hunt him down for Megatron, who is less than open to the suggestion. Suddenly, the sensors detect an energy surge on a ballistic approach for the base. Tarantulas and [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] both detect the surge as well and recognize that it can only be one thing.

The aliens are back.

[[File:OtherVictories clash.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|Flying Tiger, Hidden Dragon]]
The Predacons' automated defenses are ineffective against the anomaly, and Megatron orders them to abandon the base. Making contact, the energy ball destroys the Predacon ship instantly. [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] heads for the base, fearing that the spark of [[Megatron (G1)|the original Megatron]] may have been destroyed, and sends [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] to assist.

From the ashes of the Predacon base, the alien Transformer appears and introduces himself as [[Tigerhawk]], emissary of the [[Vok]]. He dispatches the other Predacons with ease, then sentences Megatron to death for his interference with the timestream. The two battle, but Tigerhawk is victorious. During the fight, Cheetor is incapacitated. As Tigerhawk prepares the killing blow, Optimus arrives. Tigerhawk greets him in a friendly manner, but asks him not to interfere. Optimus tries to explain Megatron's situation, but is entombed in the earth for his efforts. However, Tigerhawk is attacked by Tarantulas's [[Arachnoid|spider drones]], which allows Tarantulas to drag him to his lair. Meanwhile, an unconscious Cheetor dreams that he is visited by the sparks of Tigatron and Airazor, who fuse together before he is attacked by the two Vok seen in the beginning of the episode. He wakes up to see the fused spark, which guides him to the lair and the emissary.

[[File:Tarantulas death.JPG|right|upright=0.85|thumb|The most hardcore death of ''Beast Wars''.]]
At the lair, Tigerhawk revives and claims to know Tarantulas. The mad scientist states that he intends to use Tigerhawk to destroy the [[Maximal]]s while he detonates the ''Ark''. He also reveals why he wants to destroy it: Tarantulas and the [[Tripredacus Council]] are not descendants of the [[Autobot]]s and the [[Decepticon]]s, but have "other origins". This would allow them to control [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and conquer the universe. Cheetor jumps in around this time and looks on amazed at the scene. As Tarantulas activates the deprogramming device, the two Vok entities emerge from Tigerhawk's mouth and enter him. The device then shoots a bolt of energy at Tarantulas, which throws him into a nearby [[Energon crystal]]. The crystal detonates, destroying Tarantulas and the two aliens in a freakish yet totally hardcore manner. Cheetor manages to drag Tigerhawk out, but is knocked unconscious when the lair explodes.

Optimus locates Cheetor and Tigerhawk as the merged sparks of Tigatron and Airazor enter the emissary. Welcoming their old friends and new friend back, the Maximals depart for home... as Megatron watches on.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=[[Maximal]]s|c1=
*[[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] (3)
*[[Tigatron]] (4)
*[[Tigerhawk]] (5)
*[[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] (13)
*[[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] (14)
*[[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] (15)
*[[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] (16)
*[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] (17)

|h2=[[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]]|c2=
*[[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] (6)
*[[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (7)
*[[Dinobot II]] (8)
*[[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]] (9)
*[[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] (10)
*[[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] (11)
*[[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] (12)

|c4=*Magenta-eyed [[Vok]] (1)
*Yellow-eyed Vok (2)
}}

==Quotes==
"Ooooo, Waspinator ''like'' defense! A little ''more'' defense, and maybe Waspinator not get blown up all the time!" 
[''gulp''] "Looks like this is my last round-up." 
"Aheh-ahem! Two-Head throw Megatron in lava pit. Megatron ''angry''. Think Two-Head a traitor. Want to ''slag'' Two-Head. Waspinator down with that!"
:—'''Waspinator''' "defends" '''Quickstrike'''.

"I — I plum don't know! But I do know this. That dang spider double-crossed ''both'' of us. I'd be happy to track him down for ya, a-and kick his keister!" 
"Ah hah hah. 'Dang spider'. I applaud your good intentions. But we are ''through'' being lenient with traitors!"
:—'''Quickstrike''' learns that '''Megatron''' is no longer [[Master Blaster|tolerant of treachery.]]

"Well, i-i-if it's not a comet, what is it?" 
"Somethin' I thought we'd never see again."
:—'''Rattrap''' and '''Rhinox''', monitoring Tigerhawk's approach toward prehistoric Earth.

"They're back... just like Tarantulas always said they'd be."
:—'''Blackarachnia'''

"I am Tigerhawk, emissary of the Vok. Your form's changed, but I know you, Megatron. The Vok charge you with the willful disruption of time and space. Surrender to me immediately. Violence will not be tolerated." 
[''chuckles''] "Megatrons do not surrender." [''transforms to [[robot mode]]''] "We conquer! Predacons, attack!"
:—'''Tigerhawk''' tries to reason with '''Megatron'''.

"At least this time, Waspinator has company!"
:—'''Waspinator''' looks on the bright side as Inferno and Quickstrike go down with him.

"You're insane!" 
"So they say. Bblbllllaah! Hahaha!"
:—'''Tigerhawk'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s assertion is proved by '''Tarantulas'''.

==Notes==
===Script timeline===
* First script: 8th September 1998
* Second draft: 5th October 1998
* Finalised: 14th October 1998
* As Air: 23rd March 1999

===Animation and technical errors===
*Characters and objects randomly turn lower-resolution throughout the episode:
**Waspinator's body as he delivers his "defense speech" (most visible on his rectangular shoulders)
**Quickstrike's head as he begs for mercy
**The rest of him, as well as Dinobot and Rampage along with their blasters, as they ready and then lower them. Interestingly, Quickstrike's head is back to being smooth
**Tigerhawk's wings when he introduces himself
**Cheetor's body while he's trapped under the web
**Tarantulas' entire body when he captures Tigerhawk
*Before Dinobot and Rampage grab Quickstrike, the latter's right heel is on upside down. Then, his scorpion-leg fingers clip through his legs.
*Quickstrike's left shoulderpad is sunken in during many shots in the first half of the episode
*As the Predacons scramble for battle stations, Megatron's eyes are green instead of their usual purple.
*Before Megatron orders to abandon the ''Darksyde'', Waspinator screams "What should we do?!", then seems to practically vanish, dropping out of frame extremely rapidly and looking oddly two dimensional.
*When Megatron bursts out from under one of the ship's wrecked panels, parts of him clip through it.
*Following the destruction, as Inferno cries out "The Colony!", Quickstrike in the background oddly snaps forward as he stumbles around.
*As the Predacons open fire on Tigerhawk, Dinobot II fires a green beam instead of a red one.
*When Tigerhawk offers one last chance to Megatron, his right arm clips through his wing-assembly.
*When Optimus introduces himself to Tigerhawk, some of his fingers clip through his chest.

===Continuity errors===
*The Vok at first seem to believe that Earth has been sterilized following their activation of the [[Planet Buster]] back in "[[Other Voices, Part 2|Other Voices]]". However, this doesn't make sense, as they clearly were aware of the survival of the Beast Warriors on Earth when they sent the [[Metal Hunter]] there in "[[Other Visits (Part 1)]]".
*Speaking of the Planet Buster, the Vok condemn Megatron for changing the past when he attempted to kill [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] in "[[The Agenda (Part III)]]", but that came after their own attempt to destroy the entire planet and Prime along with it. [[Author intent]] [[Beast Wars Universe|as related in background production materials]] suggests that the Vok would have been able to undo the time-consequences of their own meddling but couldn't fix Megatron's actions; however, that was never explained within the series itself, and raises more problems than it solves.
*This episode sees the [[Tripredacus Council]] described as having "different origins" than being Decepticon descendants. Back in "[[The Agenda (Part 1)]]", however, the council spoke of "their Decepticon ancestors" ''in private amongst themselves''. That's potentially a bit of a glaring [[retcon]], though we might be charitable and suggest that the original line ("Ever since the Autobots defeated our Decepticon ancestors, we Predacons have worked secretly towards the day where we might rise up and take what is rightfully ours") refers to the Predacon faction collectively, rather than the Council specifically.
*Considering at least some time has passed since the last episode, there's no logical explanation for why no one had bothered to explain to Rattrap that Megatron now had the original Megatron's spark and thus why he needed it explained to him in this episode. Nor has Rattrap been portrayed as anything but intelligent up until this point so that he'd need this explained to him a second time if we're to assume they did tell him and he just... forgot. This was likely only done to serve as exposition for the audience.

===Continuity notes===
* Quickstrike is on trial for his treachery in "[[Master Blaster]]".
*The gun Dinobot uses during Quickstrike's trial is one of the guns Rampage used in "[[The Agenda (Part III)]]".
* Tarantulas seemed to be happily working under Megatron since the events of "[[Cutting Edge]]"; since his power play last episode, he's gone back to acting solo.
* Not only is this the first time that Airazor and Tigatron have appeared since being abducted in "Other Visits", it's the first time they've even been directly mentioned by other characters. Some friends the Maximals are.
* Megatron tries to forestall Tigerhawk's arrival by activating [[Sentinel (BW)|Sentinel]], which he got his hands on in "[[Changing of the Guard]]". This is its first appearance (or even ''mention'') since then, and its last, so it ultimately did practically nothing for the Predacons.
*The ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'' is seen on Tarantulas's computer. It will have significance in the [[Nemesis Part 1|series]] [[Nemesis Part 2|finale]]. They also show he's got the warship ready to be activated, so its presence on his computer screen may (in-universe) mean he was about to use it himself...
* Gadgets and powers:
** Tarantulas deploys flying arachnoids to incapacitate Tigerhawk; these ones have blue tips as opposed to their usual yellow-green.
* Cheetor has his last of four strange dreams in this episode, wherein Airazor and Tigatron appear to him and fuse together before his eyes. When he wakes up, he sees and follows the new joint spark over the landscape. He also sees the Vok in this dream before he sees them in real life, perhaps because Tigerhawk shows him or perhaps precognitively.

===Real-world references===
[[File:TarantulasVok SignOfTheCross.jpg|right|upright=0.85|thumb|"The power of [[Christmas]] compels you!"]]
* During Quickstrike's court-martial, Megatron wears a barrister's wig like those worn by British attorneys and judges, in keeping with his accent and aristocratic speech patterns. Inferno acts as stenographer (complete with typewriter).
* As the Vok approach Tarantulas, he attempts to ward them off by forming a [[Jesus|crucifix]] with his fingers, a sacred item often used to ward off [[Energy vampire|vampires]] in folklore.

===Trivia===
* The original title was "Closure".<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20070607003159/http://www.electric-escape.net/tf/conventions/BotCon-98/Jon-Wilkie episode list] from [[BotCon 1998]]</ref> The change means it fits the "Other V-word" trend for Vok stories.
* This episode [[To sell toys|really wants you to buy a Tigerhawk toy]]. Can you tell?
* In a bit of classic irony, Tarantulas has been trying to destroy the Vok for most of the series and has been attempting to manipulate their creations towards his own plans. However, when he actually faces the Vok themselves he utterly loses it and just starts shooting like a maniac out of fear.
*While Tigerhawk is easily able to defeat six Predacons and obliterate an entire Decepticon [[Nemesis (G1)|warship]] by himself, he is no match for a group of arachnoids.
*When Tigerhawk is under the influence of the Vok his optics are solid green. Once Tigatron and Airazor's sparks enter his body, his optics are red with a yellow slit pupil.
*The third and third-to-last episodes of Beast Wars ("[[The Web]]", and this one, respectively) parallel each other rather nicely and act as book ends to an extent. "The Web" is the first episode to focus on Tarantulas, while this is the last, both episodes involve Tarantulas capturing someone (a cat-bot, no less) and stringing them up in a web in his lair to perform all sorts of acts of evil on them. Both episodes also feature Cheetor as the lead Maximal and feature strange prophetic dreams of his. And, perhaps fittingly considering the similarities, both are written by Larry DiTillio.

===Foreign localization===
'''French'''
:*''Title:'' "'''La Victoire'''" (Canada, "The Victory")

'''Italian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Un nuovo amico'''" ("A New Friend")
::*Tigatron's name, which is ''Tigertron'' in Italian, is pronounces differently compared to previous episodes: before now, "tiger" was pronounced as an Italian word (approximately: "teejer"), while, in this episode, it's pronounced like the English word.
::*Cheetor's line: «Talk about your wild parties!» becomes: «Man, I've never seen such an explosion!»... actually, you've seen worse, Cheetor...

'''Japanese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Tadaima de Gozaru'''" (ただいまでござる, "I Hath Returned")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[March 8]] [[2000]]
::*"Gozaru" is the outdated samurai lingo which [[Tigatron]] used as his verbal tic in the Japanese dub of ''Beast Wars'', indicating he is the one speaking the title.
::*Like with Megatron's dialogue back in "[[The Agenda (Part 2)]]", Tarantulas' references to the Tripredacus Council are altered to him calling them by the insult of "San Baka Chōrō" (三ばか長老, "Three Idiot Elders"). Considering that it's Tarantulas this time, it is a rather odd that ''he'' would use this insult when he has only ever been shown to be loyal to them.

'''Portuguese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Outras Vitórias'''" ("Other Victories")

'''Spanish'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Otras Victorias'''" (America, "Other Victories")

'''Mandarin'''
:*''Title:'' "'''故人归来'''" ("The Old Friend Returns")

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2000 — ''Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers: Metals'' — We Have Returned ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2000 — ''Beast Wars: Transformers'' — Volume 4 ([[Universal]])
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2000 — ''Beast Wars: Transformers: Metals'' — DVD Box 2 (Pioneer LDC) — English and Japanese audio. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2004 — ''Beast Wars: Transformers'' — The Complete Third Season ([[Rhino Entertainment|Rhinomation]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2011 — ''Beast Wars: Transformers'' — Seasons 2 & 3 ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2011 — ''Beast Wars: Transformers'' — The Complete Series (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2006 — ''Beast Wars: Transformers'' — Season 3 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers: Beast Wars'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment)

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Beast Wars episodes]]

Scrapheap (episode)

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{{disambig2|the ''Prime'' episode|the Generation 1 Junkion|Scrapheap (G1)}}
{{episode|
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|prev=Masters & Students
|next=Con Job
|image=PrimeScrapletsEp7.gif
|caption=Aw, look at the cute little—
|title="Scrapheap"
|season=1
|season ep=7
|airdate=[[February 18]], [[2011]]
|written by=[[Marsha Griffin]]
|directed by=[[Shaunt Nigoghossian]]
|animation studio=[[Polygon Pictures]]
|production company=[[Allspark (company)|Hasbro Studios]]
|video=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odf6Si4u-Pw
|videosite=YouTube
}}

'''While Optimus and Arcee are trapped in the Arctic, the base is invaded by deadly Scraplets.'''

==Synopsis==
Trudging through the [[Arctic]], [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] and [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]] locate a huge pod buried in the snow. They take it back to [[Autobot Outpost Omega One|base]], where their systems are checked over by [[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]]. [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus]] asks about the pod, but Ratchet says it can't be opened while it's still frozen. Even as it sits defrosting in another part of the base, the pod cracks open from the inside.

[[File:Scrapheap-adorableScraplet.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|Leprosy was never this adorable. As far as we know.]]

Optimus and [[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]] prepare to travel to the Arctic to look for more clues regarding the pod's origins, and Ratchet gives them some temperature sensors so they can tell when their core temperatures drop to dangerous levels. The kids arrive in time to see them off, and [[Jack Darby|Jack]]'s initially keen on going with them, until he finds out where they're headed. [[Raf Esquivel|Raf]]'s still interested in seeing some snow, but Optimus says the conditions are too harsh. No sooner have Prime and Arcee stepped through the [[GroundBridge]] than the ground bridge system goes down. While the Autobots start trying to repair it, Jack and [[Miko Nakadai|Miko]] start playing [[Generic racing game|video games]], and Raf wanders off. He's playing "being in the Arctic" in a corridor when he stumbles on a tiny, cute metal critter. He plays Fetch with it using a bolt...which it promptly eats. Happy with his new pet, he heads back to the control room, unaware that there's a sparking hole in the equipment behind him.

Ratchet's just dug out a GroundBridge component damaged by bite-marks, when Raf returns with his find. The Autobots react in terror to the tiny critter. The kids are surprised at the reaction to what the Autobots are calling a [[Scraplet]], but then the creature starts chowing down on Bumblebee, and Raf has to beat it to death with a crowbar. Ratchet's suspicions as to the Scraplet's origin are confirmed when they check the Arctic pod and find it's been broken open — thousands of Scraplets now infest the base.

In the Arctic, Optimus and Arcee find their core temperatures have dropped into the danger zone, but Optimus is unable to contact base to request use of the ground bridge.

[[File:Scrapheap-Ratchetinfected.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.4|{{w|Botfly|Ro-botflies}}]]

Ratchet discovers that the Scraplets have now broken the comm system. Bulkhead and Bumblebee are in favor of bugging out, but doing so will mean certain doom for Optimus and Arcee. After hearing Bulkhead's detailed description of what Scraplets can do to a 'bot, the kids volunteer to help. Since the Scraplets aren't interested in eating them, they pair off with the three Autobots, Jack helping Ratchet repair the ground bridge while the others hunt for the Scraplets. Miko and Bulkhead explore the corridors where Raf saw the first Scraplet, and after an embarrassingly girly scream and an encounter with a bunch of overhead cables, Bulkhead is set upon by the little monsters. Elsewhere, Raf and Bumblebee likewise run into a group of the things. Ratchet has meanwhile finished repairing the ground bridge, but it still refuses to function. As he investigates further, a swarm of Scraplets enter the main control room via a vent and begin flying overhead. They attack the terrified Ratchet, but Jack uses a nearby [[fire extinguisher]] to freeze them off. There are many more of the pests flying overhead, however, and as the others return from their search, the Scraplets attack and easily overwhelm the Autobots.

[[File:Scrapheap-huddleforwarmth.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.67|And not a tauntaun for miles.]]

While Arcee and Optimus try to keep themselves conscious and functional by talking, the kids manage to eliminate the Scraplets attacking their friends. However, from the sounds elsewhere in the base, it's clear there are many more lurking about. They come up with a plan to send the Scraplets to the Arctic by getting the ground bridge working, and Ratchet works out there must be an [[energon]] fuel line breach preventing the system from starting. The three kids take a tool kit and go to fix the breach. They're just finishing when the Scraplets decide it's time for lunch and break into the main control room, again attacking the Autobots.

Back in the Arctic, Arcee bemoans the frozen death that apparently awaits her and Optimus, especially after all they've survived so far. Optimus offers what words of philosophical comfort he can, and she says it's an honour to serve with him.

At the base, the kids rush back to the command room and let Ratchet know that the GroundBridge is back online. He opens the bridge to the Arctic before collapsing, and Bulkhead acts as bait, leading the Scraplets through. He arrives in the Arctic to see Optimus and Arcee staggering towards the bridge, and the Scraplet horde bursts through behind him. Optimus braces for attack, but the Scraplets rapidly freeze in the air and bounce harmlessly off him.

Back at base, Ratchet supervises repairs on Bumblebee and Bulkhead. He and Optimus pay tribute to the strength of their human allies, but just then Miko spots a spider and runs away screaming.
{{-}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] (1)
*[[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]] (2)
*[[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]] (3)
*[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] (4)
*[[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]] (5)

|c3=
*[[Miko Nakadai]] (6)
*[[Jack Darby]] (7)
*[[Raf Esquivel]] (8)

|c4=
*[[Scraplet]]s (9)

}}

==Quotes==
"The Arctic? I've always wanted to see snow." 
"I would invite you to join, Rafael, but the conditions are much too extreme, even for we Autobots." 
"I understand..." 
"But I will bring you back a snowball."
:—'''Raf''' is snow deprived and '''Optimus''' says things you would not expect a giant alien robot to say.

"If we don't eradicate these creatures immediately, they will reduce the entire base to a scrapheap!" 
"Well, I say we bug outta here and let 'em keep it!" 
''(Bumblebee buzzes in agreement)''
:—'''Bulkhead''' reminds '''Ratchet''' that there are times when you just run.

"Bulkhead, you ''never'' run!" 
"Miko, you haven't seen a swarm of these things devour a bot. I ''have''. They pick you apart from the inside out, going for the small, juicy bits first—fuse by fuse, circuit by circuit, 'til there's nothing left, and I mean ''nothing''...not even your optics."
:—'''Miko''' gets some nightmare fuel from '''Bulkhead'''.

"I get to be your bodyguard for once. How cool is that?!" 
"Raf found the first one here, right?" 
''(the lights turn off for a second and Bulkhead screams loudly)'' 
"Did you just scream like a little girl?" 
"No! ... Maybe. ... Can we talk about this later?"
:—'''Miko''' and '''Bulkhead''' searching, and a more hilarious reversal of roles cannot be found.

"What do you suggest? Wait. How about a game? Let's play 'Who Screwed Things Up Back at Base?'" 
"Our predicament could be the result of a simple malfunction." 
"Caused by Bulkhead."
:—'''Arcee''' and '''Optimus''' prove that when things go wrong, blame it on Bulkhead.

"Bulkhead may be...too large for this world, but his inner strength is without bounds. One should not be measured by size alone."
:—'''Optimus''' gives us a life lesson while finding a nice way to call Bulkhead fat.

"You know the worst part? After battling 'Cons all these years, smacked down, shot at, blown up, this is how our lights go out?" 
"Arcee, this may not be the finish that we had planned, but if this is indeed the end, if we are to be come one with the [[Transformer afterlife|Allspark]]..." 
"It's been an honor serving with you, Optimus Prime". 
:—'''Arcee''' and '''Optimus''' prepare to accept their supposed end. [[Thirst|Hey, look! (Almost all) These words repeated again!]]

"Ready for the main course? Come and get it!"
:—'''Bulkhead''', king of one-liners.

"I'd invite you in, but the place is a mess."
:—Seriously, give '''Bulkhead''' a crown.

"We're just fortunate that this infestation happened...on a Saturday."
:—'''Ratchet''' finds there's an upside to having human companions.

(''Miko screams loudly'') 
"Scraplet?!" 
"Spider! Is it on me?!" (''Miko runs away screaming'') 
"Did she just scream like a little girl?" 
:—'''Jack''' and '''Bulkhead''' learn that even '''Miko''' has her fears.

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
* Raf never did get that snowball. Guess Optimus was too busy dying to scoop some up.

===Transformers references===
* To everyone's surprise, these Scraplets behave similar to their [[Scraplet|namesakes]], but are closer in appearance to [[Mecannibal]]s.
* At the episode's conclusion, Bumblebee is hooked up to an "[[electropulse]]" monitor, a feature of Transformer biology that got its first and only previous mention waaaay back in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original ''The Transformers'' cartoon]] episode, "[[Divide and Conquer]]", when [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] declared his to be fading.
* Arcee mentions Bulkhead running into power lines shortly after arriving on Earth, which recalls a different [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]'s [[Transformers (film)|"tingly" encounter]].

===Real-world references===
* The initial search for the scraplets is called a "{{w|Aliens (film)|bug hunt}}".

===Errors===
* After Ratchet tries to communicate with Optimus and turns to look at the rest of the Autobots, the white part of his shoulder plate seems to slightly clip through his chest.
* When Jack, Miko and Raf reach the damaged energon fuel line, the breach on the duct is shown beneath, where the energon is seen dripping. When the kids seal the duct, they are shown doing so only on its side.
* When Optimus promises Raf that he'll bring him a snowball from the Arctic, his faceplate is deployed. In the previous shot of Optimus, as he explains that the Arctic is too harsh for humans and Autobots, it was retracted.

===Trivia===
* A sequence from this episode (from the start of Miko and Bulkhead exploring up to Bulkhead's arm thrusting into the air) was shown to the attendees of [[Toy Fair 2011]] prior to the episode's premiere.
* Miko's hair moves during this episode. When Bulkhead first screams, the shadow of her twin buns can be seen jumping up. After, when she screams thinking she saw a spider, the buns ''and'' her ponytail curl up.
* This is the first episode not to feature any [[Decepticon]]s.
* It is not an error that the Autobots can freeze in the [[Arctic]] but not in space. The idea that being in space will immediately freeze you up like a popsicle is a [http://www.universetoday.com/77070/how-cold-is-space/ lie perpetuated by bad science fiction]. This isn't the [[Fire in the Sky|first time]] [[Megatron (Movie)|it's happened]].
* The entire plot of this episode is very similar to an episode from Prime's fellow [[Hasbro]]-sponsored show, ''[[My Little Pony]]: Friendship Is Magic,'' namely the episode ''Swarm of the Century''. Both episodes revolved around a character bringing in an innocuous-looking creature that proceeded to rapidly multiply and cause havoc by devouring various things, and the characters themselves trying (and failing) to remove the threat. However, fitting the difference in tone between the two series, Scraplets are significantly more dangerous than Parasprites; they pose a direct threat to the heroes themselves, it takes more than a jaunty polka tune to deal with them, and they're a fair bit less cute (at least, when they open their mouths). Both plots are likely inspired by the famous ''[[Star Trek]]'' episode ''The Trouble With Tribbles''.
* This episode was later adapted as a storybook under the name ''[[Attack of the Scraplets!]]''.

===Foreign localization===
'''French'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Les Dévoreurs'''" ("The Devourers")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[November 19|19 November]] [[2011]]

'''German'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Invasion der Scraplets'''" ("Invasion of the Scraplets")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[November 4|4 November]] [[2011]]

'''Hungarian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Scraplet-ek'''" ("Scraplets"); "'''Roncskupac'''" ("Scrapheap") on the Season 1 Volume 2 DVD
:*''Original airdate:'' [[January 17|17 January]] [[2012]]

'''Indonesian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Invasi Scraplet'''" ("Scraplet Invation")
:*''Original airdate:'' 11 September [[2012]]

'''Italian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Schegge'''" ("Slivers"), "'''Guai Graffianti'''" ("Scratchy Troubles", 2017 airing)
:*''Original airdate:'' [[October 9|9 October]] [[2011]]
:**Due to the lack of a proper word to translate "Scraplet" with, the Scraplets have been renamed "Schegge" (singular: "Scheggia"), which means "slivers" or "fragments".

'''Japanese'''
:*''Title:'' '''Gokkan Henkei!? Minicon no Kyōfu''' (極寒変形!?ミニコンの恐怖, ''Freezing Transformation!? Terror of the Minicons'')
:*''Original airdate:'' [[May 19]], [[2012]]

'''Korean'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Gongpo ui Seukeurepeullit'''" (공포의 스크레플릿, "Scraplets of Terror")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[September 19|19 September]] [[2011]]

'''Polish'''
:*''Title:'' ?
:*''Original airdate:'' [[December 13|13 December]] [[2011]]

'''Portuguese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''O Ferro Velho'''" ("The Scrapheap")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[December 20|20 December]] [[2011]]

'''Spanish'''
:*''Title:'' ?
:*''Original airdate:'' [[December 20|20 December]] [[2011]]

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;DVD
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2012 — ''Transformers Prime'' — Season One ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[File:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 2012 — ''Transformers Prime'' — Folge 2: Meister und Schüler ([[EDEL:kids]]) — English and German audio. 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2012 — ''Transformers Prime'' — Season One Collection ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2012 — ''Transformers Prime'' — Volume 2: Unfamiliar Enemies (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2012 — ''Transformers Prime'' — Vol. 4 ([[Avex Trax]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of France.png|20px|France]] 2012 — ''Transformers Prime'' — Saison 1 Vol. 2: Terrain miné ([[Universal|Universal Pictures France]]) — English, French, Italian, Dutch and Spanish audio. 
[[File:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 2012 — ''Transformers Prime'' — Staffel 1 - Das Bündnis (EDEL:kids) — English and German audio. 
[[File:Flag of Italy.png|20px|Italy]] 2012 — ''Transformers Prime'' — Stagione 1 Vol. 2: Terre Pericolose ([[Universal|Universal Pictures IT]]) — English, Italian, Dutch, French and Spanish audio. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2013 — ''Transformers Prime'' — Season One: Dangerous Ground ([[Universal|Universal Pictures UK]]) 
[[File:Flag of France.png|20px|France]] 2014 — ''Transformers Prime'' — Saison 1: L'intégrale (Universal Pictures France) — English, French, Italian, Dutch and Spanish audio. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''Transformers Prime'' — Ultimate Autobots (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2015 — ''Transformers Prime'' — Season One (Universal Pictures UK)
;Blu-ray
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2012 — ''Transformers Prime'' — Season One (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2012 — ''Transformers Prime'' — Season One Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 2012 — ''Transformers Prime'' — Staffel 1 - Das Bündnis (EDEL:kids) — English and German audio. 

[[Category:Prime episodes]]

Mohawk

2025-11-20T11:03:04Z

Omegatron: /* The Last Knight film */

{{faction|decepticon}}
:''Mohawk is a [[Decepticon]] from [[Transformers: The Last Knight (franchise)|The Last Knight]] portion of the [[movie continuity family]].''
[[File:TLK-art Mohawk boxrender.jpg|thumb|upright=1.33|Hello there! Lovely day! Gonna kill ya! ''Zip''adeedoodah...]]

Small and slick, the knife-wielding '''Mohawk''' is a literal motorbike punk. Covered in graffiti and always armed with a cutlery store's worth of random blades and pokey things strapped to his limbs, he's always itching to cause some mayhem in service of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]].<ref>''The Last Knight'' TRF [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/decepticon-casefiles-roundup-with-the-best-look-yet-at-mowhawk-dreadbot-and-others/38370/ prisoner dossier bios]</ref>

Sadly, Megatron does not reciprocate his loyalty. That's most likely because Mohawk never shuts up. You'll never not hear him coming, but that's how he likes it.

{{bigquote|What up, fellas! Man, I wanna kill y'all right now! ''Hahaha!'' But I'mma kill ya later! ''Definitely'' gonna kill you mofos later! ''Hahaha!''|Mohawk|[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]}}

==Fiction==
===''The Last Knight'' film===
{{Voiceactor|[[Reno Wilson]] (English), [[Setsuji Satō]] (Japanese)|[[Jean-Baptiste Anoumon]] (European French), [[Leonhard Mahlich]] (German), [[Nanni Baldini]] (Italian), [[Nando Lopes]] (Portuguese), [[José Luis Mediavilla]] (Castilian Spanish), [[José Ángel Torres]] (Latin-American Spanish), [[Onur Akgülgil]] (Turkish), [[Paweł Ciołkosz]] (Polish)}}
[[File:TLK-DecepticonConvoy.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.33|Wow. Never thought you had a poker face.]]
Mohawk was among the Decepticons in the [[Transformers Reaction Force|T.R.F.]]'s custody. When the T.R.F. opted to work with [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], Mohawk was the first Decepticon he requested to be part of his "crew". The T.R.F. complied and released him, with Mohawk taunting his jailers with death threats the entire time.

[[File:TLK-MohawkCar.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.33|So let me get this straight. I sent you shipdits off to find me a Dragon Ball, and you bring back a toddler?]]
Mohawk joined the Decepticons on their hunt for [[Cade Yeager]], gloating non-stop and itching for a fight. After finding the Autobots had evacuated their [[Junkyard (TLK)|junkyard hideout]], Mohawk and the others followed them to a nearby town. There, Mohawk mocked the hapless [[Sqweeks]] and was bemused by [[Izabella]]'s gall to directly confront them. Unfortunately, the Decepticons then found themselves rocked from all sides by explosives Cade had placed prior, and then set upon by [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], [[Drift (AOE)|Drift]], and [[Crosshairs (AOE)|Crosshairs]].

During the fight, Mohawk managed to get lost and the surviving Decepticons subsequently left him behind. He wandered around calling for his cohorts, and was found and blasted by Bumblebee, though his severed head survived and continued to bemoan his situation. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===''Studio Series''===
[[File:Studio-Series-Core-Class-Mohawk.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|And every five minutes I don't get a new figure, someone's gonna get STABBED IN THE ASS!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Decepticon Mohawk''' (Core Class, [[2024]])}}</ul>
:*''Movie'': ''The Last Knight''
:*''Accessories'': Knife
{{toydesigner|[[Sam Smith]] (Hasbro), [[Koki Yamada]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref>[[November 14]], [[2023]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClqPbfd2hcg Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Mark Maher]], and [[Evan Brooks]]</ref>

:Part of the ninth wave of ''[[Studio Series]]'' Core Class figures, Mohawk transforms from a motorcycle similar to —but legally distinct from— a Confederate Motorcycles 2016 P51 Combat Fighter into a reasonably-for-the-size screen-accurate robot mode in 13 steps, complete with an opening jabber-mouth. His knife accessory is taken directly from concept art, as he never uses it in the movie. The weapon can be mounted onto his rear waist or the right side of his motorcycle brakes.

: In an undocumented feature, it is possible to remove Mohawk's head, as it is attached to his neck by a simple [[5 mm post]]. His packaging is decorated with the artwork from the "[[Junkyard (TLK)|Junkyard]] Meditation" backdrop.

: Mohawk, alongside the first wave of the 2024 ''Studio Series'' product, was revealed at MCM London 2023. Before anywhere else, he was made available to attendees of [[Singapore Comic Con#2023|Cybertron Fest]] event at Singapore Comic Con 2023.

::''[https://www.instagram.com/p/C17aFOyu0OE/?igsh=MXNsZzJjNHVlbjRvdQ%3D%3D Designer commentary on ''Studio Series'' Mohawk from Sam Smith on Instagram]''
{{-}}

==Notes==
[[File:TLK Mohawk intro.jpg|thumb|upright=1|'Cons of Anarchy.]]
[[File:TF5SFE-VehicleHangar2.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1|Mohawk on display at Paramount Studios.]]
* Mohawk's alternate mode is a [https://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/others/2016-confederate-motorcycles-p51-combat-fighter-ar174342.html Confederate Motorcycles 2016 P51 Combat Fighter], which is a custom-made series with only about 61 units handmade by two people, and each one starts at about $125,000. ''Yowza.''
** In case you were wondering, the company has since changed its name to "Curtiss Motorcycles" in 2017.
* Mohawk has several dinner forks chained to his right arm (as well as a single spoon), and a pair of spray paint cans duct-taped to his left breastplate. He's also got a variety of knives and other random blades (and at least one more spoon) strapped to his legs.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Mohawk''' (モホーク ''Mohōku'')
*''Korean:'' '''Mohawk''' (모호크 ''Mohokeu'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Mohawk''' (莫霍克 ''Mòhuòkè'')
*''Russian:'' '''Mohawk''' (Могавк ''Mogavk'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Taraj''' ("Comb")

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:Studio Series Decepticons]]
[[Category:The Last Knight Decepticons]]

Fan polls

2025-11-05T21:37:54Z

Omegatron: /* Notes */

{{disambig2|the votes that directly determine new toy releases|the votes to honor important ''Transformers'' characters and creators|Transformers Hall of Fame|Hall of Fame}}

[[File:Fan Built Bot webpage.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb]]
Throughout the 2010s, [[Hasbro]] ran nearly-annual polls for the [[fandom]] to decide on future toy production. Initially, these '''Fan Built Bot''' polls focussed on the creation of new fan-influenced characters and toys, with voters being able to choose these characters' alternate modes, colourways, and personalities.

Eventually, these polls began to more closely resemble similar votes ran by [[TakaraTomy]], merely allowing fans to choose which out of a list of pre-existing characters would see a new toy release.

{{quote|BE A PART OF FAN BUILT|The slogan for the ''Combiner Wars'' poll}}

==2013==
===''Generations'' Fan Built Bot===
For the first Fan Built Bot, polls were conducted on transformers.com over the course of a week each. The first round was held between [[April 18]]th and [[May 5]]th, and included the following questions:<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20130420103345/http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/TRANSFORMERS-FAN-BUILT-BOT-POLL.cfm TRANSFORMERS FAN BUILT BOT POLL round 1 (archived)]</ref>
{|class="wikitable" width="100%"
|-
!Faction!!Alternate mode!!Signature Weapon!!Color Scheme!!Personality
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|
* '''[[Autobot]]'''
* [[Decepticon]]
|width="20%" valign="top"|
* Car
* Truck
* Tank
* '''Jet'''
* Spaceship
* Terran Beast (Land)
* Avian Beast (Airborne)
* Helicopter
* Motorcycle
* Construction
|width="20%" valign="top"|
* Blaster Cannon
* Flame Thrower
* '''Sword'''
* Mace
* Spear/Harpoon
* Morningstar
* Cybertronian Taser
* Nunchucks
* Crossbow
* Long-Range Blaster
|width="20%" valign="top"|
* '''Red & Black'''
* Green & Gold
* Blue & Silver
* Orange & White
* Purple & Bronze
|width="20%" valign="top"|
* '''Valiant'''
* Sneaky
* Hotshot
* Secretive
* Wildman
* Grumpy
|}

The second round was held between [[May 10]]th and [[May 17]]th, and consisted of four more questions:<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20130510182651/http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/TRANSFORMERS-FAN-BUILT-BOT-POLL.cfm TRANSFORMERS FAN BUILT BOT POLL round 2 (archived)]</ref>
{|class="wikitable" width="80%"
|-
!Name!!Gender!!Origin!!Specialty
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|
* Autobot Eclipse
* Charon
* Centuritron
* Cashtron
* '''Windblade'''
* Autobot Wraith
|width="25%" valign="top"|
* Male
* '''Female'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
* '''[[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]]'''
* [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]
* [[Altihex]]
* [[Kalis]]
* [[Praxus]]
|width="25%" valign="top"|
* Combat Medic
* Bodyguard
* Recon
* '''Telepath'''
* Close Combat Specialist
|}

The result, [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]], was revealed first in art form at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2013, with [[Windblade (G1)#Generations|her toy]] subsequently revealed at [[Toy Fair 2014]] for release in the tenth wave of ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Thrilling 30|Generations: Thrilling 30]]'' [[Size class|Deluxe Class]] toys. In fiction, she starred in her own [[The Transformers: Windblade|four-issue miniseries]] from [[IDW Publishing]] and remained a prominent character until the end of [[2005 IDW continuity|that continuity]]. (Though her origin of Kaon from the poll was dropped, owing to the scarcity of [[female Transformer]]s on Cybertron in that particular fictional universe, with her instead being portrayed as coming from the colony [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]]; similarly, her broad telepathy instead became [[Cityspeaker|Cityspeaking]].)

Due to the character's popularity, [[Windblade (RID)|different]] [[Windblade (Cyberverse)|incarnations]] of Windblade were also featured in the ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|Transformers: Robots in Disguise]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]'' cartoons.

===''Masterpiece'' Fan's Choice===
[[File:Masterpiece Fan's Choice.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
To commemorate ''Transformers''{{'}} 30th anniversary, TakaraTomy held a poll to decide which Japanese Autobot or Maximal leader would get a new toy in the prestigious ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' toyline. The poll began on [[June 18]]th with a closing date of [[August 31]], before being extended to [[September 6]]th. Voters were required to send their ballot form by post along with a requisite amount of [[Robot Point]]s collected from ''[[Transformers: Generations (Japan)|Generations]]'', ''[[Triple Combination: Transformers Go! (toyline)|Go!]]'', and ''[[Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (franchise)|GT]]'' releases, or from in person at the 2013 Tokyo Toy Show.<ref>[https://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/tf30th/vote.html Voting Method | Transformers 30th Anniversary Site 「Masterpiece Fan's Choice」] on the TakaraTomy website</ref>
{|class="wikitable sortable"
|-
!
!class="unsortable" |Candidate
!Result
|-
|1.
|[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] (''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)#Transformers: The Headmasters|The Headmasters]]'')
|0.3%
|-
|2.
|[[Ginrai (human)|Super Ginrai]] (''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)#Transformers: Super-God Masterforce|Super-God Masterforce]]'')
|18.6%
|-
|3.
|'''[[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]]''' (''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)#Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory|Victory]]'')
|31.2%
|-
|4.
|[[Dai Atlas (G1)|Dai Atlas]] (''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)#Transformers: Zone|Zone]]'')
|8.0%
|-
|5.
|[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Convoy]] (''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'')
|4.6%
|-
|6.
|[[Lio Convoy]] (''[[Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers#Beast Wars II|Beast Wars II]]'')
|2.0%
|-
|7.
|[[Big Convoy]] (''[[Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers#Beast Wars Neo|Beast Wars Neo]]'')
|2.1%
|-
|8.
|[[Optimus Prime (RID)|Super Fire Convoy]] (''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|Car Robots]]'')
|4.9%
|-
|9.
|[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Convoy]] (''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Legends of the Microns]]'')
|24.3%
|-
|10.
|[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Grand Convoy]] (''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Super Link]]'')
|1.5%
|-
|11.
|[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Galaxy Convoy]] (''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Galaxy Force]]'')
|2.5%
|-
|}

On [[November 19]], TakaraTomy representatives announced that Star Saber had won with 31.2% of the votes, followed by ''Legends of the Microns'' Convoy (24.3%) and Ginrai (18.6%). No other candidate received more than 8% of votes.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNS4COKWqPc "Transformers Masterpiece Fans Choice Results Announcement"] on the TakaraTomy YouTube channel</ref> [[Star Saber (G1)#Masterpiece|''Masterpiece'' Star Saber]] was released on [[March 21]], [[2015]]. [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Masterpiece|''Beast Wars'' Convoy]] and [[Lio Convoy#Masterpiece|Lio Convoy]] would go on to receive ''Masterpiece'' toys in 2016 and 2020 respectively, while [[Ginrai (human)#MPG|Super Ginrai]] would receive one in the subsequent ''[[The Transformers: MPG|MPG]]'' line in 2024.

==2014==
===''Generations'' Magazine Exclusive Character Popularity Vote===
[[File:TFGenerations2014 fan poll.jpg|upright=1|thumb]]
TakaraTomy and [[Hero-X|Million Publishing]] ran a poll through the [[Transformers Generations 2014 Volume 1|first volume of ''Transformers Generations 2014'']] to determine the mail-away figure for the upcoming [[Transformers Generations 2014 Volume 2|second volume]]. In addition, the winning character would also appear in that volume's original manga story by [[Yuki Ohshima]]. A box above the selection of ten characters noted that a partner figure such as a [[Mini-Con|Micron]] would be considered for the winner; Alpha Trion was noted as coming with a [[Primus#Japanese Generation 1 Cartoon continuity|Vector Sigma]] accessory, presumably to be a golden redeco of [[Eggbot (BW)|''Beast Wars'' Eggbot]] as seen in the volume's manga story, "[[Train Wars]]".

Voting was done via post, as part of the same included postcard buyers could use to purchase Volume 1's exclusive mail-away toy, [[Shouki#Generations (Japan)|Shouki]]. The deadline for votes was [[June 16]], a good three months before the availability window for Shouki closed in September.
{|class="wikitable sortable"
|-
!
!class="unsortable" |Candidate
!Result
|-
|1.
|[[Alpha Trion/toys#Generations (Japan)|Alpha Trion]] from [[Scourge (G1)/toys#Generations|''Generations'' Scourge]]
|28.9%
|-
|2.
|[[The Fallen/toys#Generations (Japan)|The Fallen]] from [[Onslaught (WFC)#Toys|''Generations Fall of Cybertron'' Onslaught]]/[[Ruination (FOC)#Toys|Ruination]]
|5%
|-
|3.
|"[[Cordon (G1)#Toys|Sunstreaker Police Type]]" (placeholder name) from [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|''Universe'' Sunstreaker]]
|3.8%
|-
|4.
|[[Smokescreen (G1)/toys#Generations (Japan)|Smokescreen]] from [[Smokescreen (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|''Universe'' Smokescreen]]
|2.9%
|-
|5.
|"[[Drift (G1)#Generations (Japan)|Autobot Drift Black Ver.]]" (placeholder name) from [[Drift (G1)#Generations|''Generations'' Drift]]
|12.7%
|-
|6.
|[[Overdrive#Generations (Japan)|Overdrive]] from [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|''Universe'' Silverstreak]]
|2.9%
|-
|7.
|[[Downshift (G1)#Generations (Japan)|Camshaft]] from [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Generations|''Generations'' Wheeljack]]
|1%
|-
|8.
|[[Camshaft (G1)#Generations (Japan)|Downshift]] from [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|''Universe'' Ironhide]]
|1.6%
|-
|9.
|[[Silverbolt (Fuzor)#Generations (Japan)|Metals Silverbolt]] from [[Grimwing (Prime)#Toys|''Prime'' Grimwing]]
|14.8%
|-
|10.
|'''[[Goshooter#Generations (Japan)|Goshooter]] from [[Nightbeat (G1)#Generations|''Generations'' Nightbeat]]'''
|29.3%
|-
|}

On [[July 22]], Million Publishing announced that Goshooter had won with 29.3% of the votes, with Alpha Trion a close second at 28.9%.<ref>[http://millionhero.sblo.jp/article/101898683.html "Transformers Generations 2014 Volume 2" Magazine Exclusive Character Popularity Vote Result Announcement] on the Hero-X website</ref> Consequently, [[Goshooter#Generations (Japan)|Goshooter]] was made available as a mail-away with ''Transformers Generations 2014 Volume 2'', now partnered with a [[Micromaster]] toy of his human counterpart, [[Shūta Gō#Generations (Japan)|Shūta Gō]], and the duo took centre stage in "[[Train Wars 2]]".
{{-}}

==2015==
===''Combiner Wars'' Fan Built Combiner===
[[File:Fan poll A Call to Arms and Legs.jpg|upright=1|thumb]]
Following in the footsteps of the Fan Built Bot poll, the Fan Built Combiner poll (a.k.a. the Fan Built ''Combiner Wars'' poll) was announced on [[January 15]], 2015, with the goal of creating a whole new character for the then-current ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' toyline.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=It's coming! You and your fellow fans will soon be able to vote to help shape the Fan Built Combiner Bot in the official Transformers app!|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/774352252634971/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=01|day=15}}</ref>

Voting was done via the official ''Transformers'' mobile app, and the first round ran from [[January 25]]<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The Transformers brand app is all new right now, with new Transformers Generations content including the vote for the Fan Built Combiner.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/778728762197320/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=01|day=25}}</ref> to [[February 1]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Only one more day to get your votes in on the first round of the Transformers Fan Built Combiner poll.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/780911735312356/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=01|day=31}}</ref><ref>{{citesocial|quote=Millions believe {{w|Super Bowl XLIX|today’s game}} is the year’s biggest matchup. But we all know the real battle is over the Fan Built Combiner character.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/780913261978870/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=02|day=01}}</ref>

{|class="wikitable" width="60%"
|-
!Faction!!Torso and weapon!!Limbs
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
* '''[[Autobot]]'''
* [[Decepticon]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
* [[Silverbolt (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Je]][[Powerglide (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|ts]]
* [[Motormaster (G1)#Combiner Wars|Truck]] and [[Blackjack (G1)#Combiner Wars|car]]
* '''[[Hot Spot (G1)#Combiner Wars|Fire truck]] and [[Groove (G1)#Combiner Wars|motorcycle]]'''
|width="33%" valign="top"|
* [[Aerialbot (G1)#Combiner Wars|Jet]]/[[Alpha Bravo#Combiner Wars|Helicopter]]
* [[Offroad (CW)#Combiner Wars|Truck]]
* [[Stunticon (G1)#Combiner Wars|Car]]
|}
The choices in this round consisted of molds from the first three waves of ''Combiner Wars''–notably, the fire truck/motorcycle torso option pre-empted any official announcement of the third wave's Hot Spot and Groove. Each limb was voted on individually, while the torso and weapon components were presented as a set. On [[February 5]], the combiner was announced as an Autobot.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The humans have spoken. Congratulations, Autobots, the Fan Built Combiner character will join your faction in the near feature. {{sic}} |link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/783748698361993/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=02|day=05}}</ref>

Round 2 began on [[February 11]]<ref>{{citesocial|quote=It’s time to help choose the limbs of the Fan Built Combiner character. Cast your vote in the Transformers app now.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/784595794943950/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=02|day=11}}</ref> and included polls to narrow down the choice of limbs from two aerial vehicles and two cars to more specific mold options. This round ran at least until [[February 16]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Optimus Prime wants you... to do your earthling duty and cast your Fan Built Combiner vote in the Transformers app today.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/789497691120427/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=02|day=16}}</ref>
{|class="wikitable" width="80%"
|-
!Limb #1/#2!!Limb #3/#4!!Origin!!Color scheme
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|
* [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)/toys#Combiner Wars|Bomber]]
* [[Fireflight (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Recon Plane]]
* '''Helicopter'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
* [[Drag Strip (G1)#Combiner Wars|Drag Racer]]
* [[Dead End (G1)#Combiner Wars|'''Sports Car''']]
* [[Breakdown (G1)#Combiner Wars|'''Race Car''']]
|width="25%" valign="top"|
* [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]
* [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]]
* '''[[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]]'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
* Blue/cyan/tan
* Orange/grey/blue
* '''Cyan/red/white'''
|}
A bonus round also took place via the [[Toys"R"Us]] Twitter between [[February 17]] and [[February 28|28]] to select which special power the Combiner would have.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=What power should the Fan Built Combiner character have? Head to the Toys "R" Us Twitter handle now to help choose|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/791139454289584/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=02|day=18}}</ref> The tweet is still up.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=YOU can help create the Transformers fan-built Combiner! Choose a power & vote with the hashtag through 2/28.|link=https://twitter.com/ToysRUs/status/568092613775118336|name=Toys"R"Us|site=Twitter|year=2015|month=02|day=18|}}</ref>

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!Power
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* [[Earthquake (event)|Earthquake]]
* '''Gravity control'''
* Teleport
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By [[February 19]], the app had updated to reveal the Sea of Rust as the chosen origin.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/the-combiner-wars-autobot-fanbuilt-combiner-hails-from-the-sea-of-rust/32272/ "The Combiner Wars Autobot Fan-Built Combiner Hails From The Sea Of Rust" on Seibertron.com]</ref>

The final round of voting began on [[February 26]]<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Today, the final phase of voting for the Fan Built Combiner character begins.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/794613113942218/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=02|day=26}}</ref><ref>{{citesocial|quote=Phase III voting for the Combiner character is on, and there are some big decisions to make.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/795117220558474/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=03|day=02}}</ref> and ended on [[March 5]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Only one day left to decide the fate of the Fan Built Combiner character.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/797188030351393/?__tn__=%2CO* |name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=03|day=04}}</ref>
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* Male
* '''Female'''
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* '''Victorion'''
* Slammoth
* Quakebreak
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* Loyal
* '''Independent'''
* Leader
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* [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]
* '''[[Galvatronus (CW)|Galvatronus]]'''
* [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]
|}

On [[April 1]], the ''Transformers'' Facebook announced that the Fan Built Combiner was being scrapped in favour of a new toy of [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] – [[April Fools' Day|April Fools]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Due to issues with the voting mechanism, we have to make some executive decisions on the Fan-Built Combiner. Here’s a sneak peek at what we’re thinking!|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/811433335593529/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=04|day=01}}</ref> A more serious update was shared on [[April 13]], when it was announced that the new Combiner's rival would be [[Galvatronus (CW)|Galvatronus]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The new fan built combiner already has a big problem: Galvatronus. Do you think this new bot is going to have what it takes to stand up to him?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/817234415013421/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=04|day=13}}</ref>

[[Victorion]], the resulting female Combiner, was revealed in all her glory on [[July 9]] at [[San Diego Comic-Con]]<ref>{{citesocial|quote=FROM LASERBEAK: Just released, straight from San Diego Comic-Con: a full look at the Fan Built Combiner character: Autobot Victorion. Is it 2016 yet?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/posts/858405857562943|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=07|day=09}}</ref> where she also made her fictional debut in [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[An Uneventful Night|Combiner Hunters]]'' one-shot comic ahead of joining the main cast of the ongoing [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'' vol. 2]] series. After her box art was revealed on [[January 2]], [[2016]],<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Enjoy some of the original art behind your Fan Built Combiner, Victorion.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/942310135839181/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2016|month=02|day=01}}</ref> [[Victorion#Combiner Wars|her toy]] was released in April that year.

===''Titans Return'' Titan Class Toy Release===
[[File:Titans Return fan vote.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
The next fan poll, announced [[November 20]], 2015, regarded who would be the next year's Titan Class figure for ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'', following [[Fortress Maximus (G1)#Titans Return|Fortress Maximus]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=With the epic Titans Return chapter of the Generations Prime Wars Trilogy comes a new line of Titan Class toys. It’s about time these legendary, city sized Titans hit shelves. Fortress Maximus will lead the release, and we need YOU to choose his successor. Scorponok, Trypticon and Omega Supreme will be stumping for your vote this week.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/926167814120080/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=11|day=20}}</ref>

The subsequent days revealed campaign posters for "You Can't Knock Scorponok",<ref>{{citesocial|quote=With a strong head on his shoulders that never turns to retreat, Scorponok is prepared to succeed Fortress Maximus in the Generations Titans Return Titan Class Toy Release—so he claims. Is he really the Decepticon to turn to when there’s crisis afoot—or is he just the one creating it?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/926168160786712/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=11|day=21}}</ref> "Move On With Trypticon",<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Always on the front lines, this destructive Dinobot was never afraid to get his feet wet in battle—as long as it was on dry land. As your Generations Titans Return Titan Class Toy Release successor, he promises to blaze a trail forward no matter what gets in his way. Do you believe he can handle the heat outside of battle?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/926168680786660/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=11|day=22}}</ref> and "I'm On Team Omega Supreme".<ref>{{citesocial|quote=An Autobot of wait-and-see diplomacy, Omega Supreme has stood sentinel over cities and is ready to stand behind Fortress Maximus in the Generations Titans Return Titan Class Toy Release—so he says. Is this old-timer insider the one to get the job done?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/926168920786636/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=11|day=23}}</ref>

Voting opened on [[November 24]] and closed within fourteen hours.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=You heard from your Titans, and now it’s time to cast your vote. Who deserves to serve as the successor to Fortress Maximus in the Generations Titans Return Titan Class Toy Release? Comment below with #VoteScorponok, #VoteTrypticon or #VoteOmegaSupreme —only hashtag votes on this post will be counted. Voting is open all day, so cast your vote now, and start stating your case!" This was later edited to lead with "The polls are closed - thanks for voting!
|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/926169094119952/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=11|day=24}}</ref> Voters had to respond to the post with the hashtag of their selected candidate, and would even receive a (virtual) "I Voted" badge emblazoned with the image of their chosen character.
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* '''[[Trypticon (G1)|#VoteTrypticon]]'''
* [[Omega Supreme (G1)|#VoteOmegaSupreme]]
* [[Scorponok (G1)|#VoteScorponok]]
|}
On [[December 1]], Hasbro announced that [[Trypticon (G1)#Titans Return|Trypticon]] had won.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=There truly is nothing that can stand in the way of Trypticon. With your votes, he smashed his way to becoming the next Generations Titans Return Titan Class toy. Mark your calendars, and look for him to hit shelves late 2017.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/931380200265508/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=12|day=11}}</ref> The toy hit shelves in 2017.
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==2017==
===''Power of the Primes'' Fan Vote===
[[File:Fan poll Who's Your Prime.jpg|upright=1|thumb]]
The next set of fan polls was announced on [[December 1]], 2016 for ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)|Power of the Primes]]'', and allowed fans to choose the next [[Matrix of Leadership]] bearer to "set[...] the tone for all things in the Transformers universe", with the winner to feature in the ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy]]'' storytelling and accompanying toyline.<ref>[https://tfwiki.tumblr.com/post/153921009773/hasbro-lets-fans-shape-the-future-of-the The Hasbro press release announcing the ''Power of the Primes'' poll, archived on the TFWiki.net tumblr]</ref><ref>{{citesocial|quote=Ready to write the next chapter of the Transformers story? This January, YOU choose the next Prime who’ll lead Cybertron after the Titans Return. From nine potential candidates, the next bearer of the Matrix of Leadership will be chosen!|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/1241777612559097/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2016|month=12|day=1}}</ref>

The first round of voting opened on [[January 23]], [[2017]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=You have the power to vote to shape the Transformers Universe. At transformers.com/vote, you can choose the faction (HONOR, CHAOS or ORDER) you’d like to lead Cybertron. Vote now!|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/1272396496163875/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2017|month=01|day=23}}</ref> Voters were tasked with selecting one candidate from each group: Honor, Chaos, and Order. They were allowed to repeat this process once every twenty-four hours.

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!Honor!!Chaos!!Order
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* [[Hound (G1)|Hound]]
* '''[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]'''
* [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]
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* '''[[Deathsaurus (G1)|Unknown Evil]]'''
* [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]
* '''[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]'''
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* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]
* [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]
* '''[[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]]'''
|}

As January came to a close, Hasbro announced the successful candidates: Ultra Magnus,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Fans have chosen Ultra Magnus as the representative for the Honor faction. Vote for him at transformers.com/vote if you want to see the Cybertronian way of life restored so its Golden Age. Voting opens 2/1!|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/1334355349967989/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2017|month=1|day=28}}</ref> Optimus Primal,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Fans have chosen a Chaos candidate. And if you want to see Optimus Primal claim the Matrix of Leadership with their might, vote opens on 2/1 at transformers.com/vote. Only the strong shall survive.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/1334358076634383/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2017|month=1|day=29}}</ref> Star Saber,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Those of the New Order believe the old ways have shackled Cybertron. And now fans have chosen an Order candidate - Star Saber. Grant them the power of the Matrix of Leadership by voting on 2/1 at transformers.com/vote.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/1334359143300943/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2017|month=1|day=30}}</ref> and the mysterious "Unknown Evil",<ref>{{citesocial|quote=In our search for the next bearer of the Matrix of Leadership, fans have chosen a wildcard candidate - Unknown Evil. Now it's time for you to decide who will claim the Matrix's power at transformers.com/vote. Voting opens 2/1.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/1334451716625019/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2017|month=1|day=31}}</ref> a "wildcard" candidate who had received the highest number of votes out of all the runners-up. The second round of voting began on [[February 1]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Only one from each faction and a Wildcard remain. It’s time for the final vote. Select the Prime and decide who leads Cyberton in the next chapter. Who has your vote?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/1342064762530381/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2017|month=2|day=1}}</ref>

On [[February 18]], Hasbro announced that Optimus Primal had ultimately placed first,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Fans have spoken. Optimus Primal is your next Prime, the bearer of Matrix of Leadership, and the new leader in the Transformers lore! Did they have your vote?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/1362620857141438/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2017|month=2|day=18}}</ref> followed by Unknown Evil–now revealed as Deathsaurus–Ultra Magnus, and Star Saber in second, third, and fourth place respectively.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2017/02/18/toy-fair-2017-transformers-panel-coverage-333630 Toy Fair 2017 Transformers Panel Coverage at tfw2005.com]</ref> The prototype of Primal's toy was first shown off at [[HasCon 2017]], leading to [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Power of the Primes|a pair of releases]] in ''Power of the Primes'' in mid-2018 and a prominent role in the [[Transformers: Power of the Primes (cartoon)|tie-in web series]].

{{see|Source:Power of the Primes Fan Vote|''Power of the Primes'' fan poll}}
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==2018==
===''War for Cybertron Trilogy''===
[[File:Siege fan poll artwork.jpg|upright=1|thumb]]
[[Toy Fair 2018]] saw the announcement of the ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (franchise)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' franchise, and though nothing concrete was revealed about the then-upcoming line, fans were promised the opportunity to vote for a pair of Deluxe Class characters to be included in the trilogy's [[War for Cybertron: Siege|first chapter]].

The polls opened on [[February 20]], with voting taking place on the ''Transformers'' brand Facebook page,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Vote via hashtag for the rivalry you want to see as Deluxe Class figures. The vote ends Friday!|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/videos/1827437210659798/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2018|month=02|day=20}}</ref> Instagram account,<ref>Ditto for {{citesocial|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/Bfa1yR5F2VN/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=02|day=20|defunct=yes}}</ref> and Twitter replies.<ref>Ditto for {{citesocial|link=https://twitter.com/Hasbro/status/966334074402082816|name=Hasbro|site=Twitter|year=2018|month=02|day=21}}</ref> [[Hasbro Pulse]]–which at this point in its existence was a collector-oriented news site–revealed the story reasoning behind each pair of rivals.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20180223174748/http://pulse.hasbro.com/news/war-cybertron-fan-vote-here WAR FOR CYBERTRON FAN VOTE IS HERE] on the former Hasbro Pulse website (archived)</ref> On [[February 23]], the final day of voting, the Facebook page addressed some hanging questions about the character choices.<ref>[https://tformers.com/hasbro-2018-transformers-fan-vote-mini-qa-offers-at-least-one-interesting-detail/33262/news.html "Hasbro 2018 Transformers Fan-Vote Mini Q&A Offers At Least One Interesting Detail" at tformers.com], which mirrors from a [https://www.facebook.com/transformers/posts/1831863486883837 defunct Facebook link]</ref>

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* Saboteur vs Scientist: #[[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]]Vs[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]
* Brother vs Brother: #[[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]]Vs[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]]
* '''Mirage vs The Mercenary: #[[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]]Vs[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]]'''
|}

On [[February 27]], then-design lead [[John Warden]] took to the Facebook page to personally announce the victors in video form.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=I'm John, and I'm here to announce the winning rivalry of the War for Cybertron Trilogy fan vote. [...] Without further ado, let's get right to it. The winner of the War for Cybertron Trilogy fan vote is... Impactor vs Mirage.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/videos/1837515759651943/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2018|month=2|day=27}}</ref> This led to [[Impactor (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Impactor]] and [[Mirage (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Mirage]] receiving new toys in the ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' toyline in 2019, both as regular retail figures and with alternative head sculpts in an exclusive multi-pack.

Over the subsequent five years, each of the other candidates would [[#Notes|receive new ''Generations'' toys anyway]].
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===''Vintage G1''===
[[File:Fan poll Vintage G1.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
The next poll was announced via Hasbro Pulse and Hasbro's social media accounts on [[December 10]], 2018 to decide a future toy out of two pairs for release in the ''[[Vintage|Vintage G1]]'' toyline in Spring of 2020. All polls were carried out on Hasbro Pulse's Instagram stories.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Which G1 classic bot do you want to see make a return to Walmart in Spring 2020? Cast your votes starting tomorrow on our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrNZyFMnQzk/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=10}}</ref>

Round 1 took place on [[December 11]], pitting Perceptor against Astrotrain,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Round 1: PERCEPTOR vs ASTROTRAIN. Which G1 classic bot do YOU want to see make a return to @Walmart in Spring 2020? VOTE NOW in our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrP5UjxngRa/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=11}}</ref> and round 2 took place on [[December 12]], pitting Thundercracker against Skywarp.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Round 2: SKYWARP vs THUNDERCRACKER. Which G1 classic seeker do YOU want to go up against ASTROTRAIN in the finals to make a return? VOTE NOW in our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrSem4SlAF7/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=12}}</ref> The final round took place on [[December 13]], as a decider between Astrotrain and Skywarp.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=FINAL ROUND: ASTROTRAIN vs SKYWARP. Which G1 classic do you want to make a return to @walmart in Spring 2020?! Vote now in our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrVRhBzFn7h/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=13}}</ref>
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!Round 1!!Round 2!!Final Round
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[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] vs '''[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]'''
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[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] vs '''[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]'''
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'''Astrotrain''' vs Skywarp
|}
On [[December 14]], Hasbro announced that Astrotrain had won,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=4 Bots entered, 1 was voted back! G1 ASTROTRAIN will return to @walmart in Spring 2020!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrX09NbFnFE/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=14}}</ref> though [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|his reissued toy]] unexpectedly hit shelves early in December 2019.
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==2019==
===''Vintage G1''===
[[File:Fan poll Vintage G1 Facebook.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
On [[May 17]], [[2019]], the ''Transformers'' Facebook page held a surprisingly low key poll to determine another 2020 release in the ''Vintage G1'' line, using Facebook's built-in polling feature.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=It's time to choose! Which one of these bots do YOU want to see as a G1 2020 @Walmart exclusive figure?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/posts/2658418017561709|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=05|day=17|defunct=yes}}</ref>

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* '''[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'''
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
|}
The poll was only open for 24 hours, and the following day it was announced that Blaster had won,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=In one of the closest races yet, you decided that BLASTER is gonna be the next G1 exclusive @Walmart. Look for this special edition bot in 2020!|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2663510377052473|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=05|day=18}}</ref> receiving 56% of the vote.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/05/18/blaster-wins-the-walmart-exclusive-g1-reissue-2020-fan-vote-388380 "Blaster Wins The Walmart Exclusive G1 Reissue 2020 Fan Vote" on tfw2005.com]</ref> The [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|reissued Blaster]] went up for preorder in June 2020,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=You voted and now here he is, the Walmart G1 Reissue Fan Vote For 2020 -- Autobot Blaster! Who's adding this classic G1 figure to their shelf? (Cassette Tape not included 😜)|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/3944719742264857/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2020|month=06|day=28}}</ref> and was released in the subsequent October.
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===''War for Cybertron Trilogy''===
[[File:Earthrise fan poll artwork.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
On [[June 12]], [[2019]], the same Facebook page posted that another fan poll was upcoming, with four mysteriously silhouetted Decepticons in the running for a place in [[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|the second chapter]] of the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Can you identify the Decepticons shown below? Share your guesses in the comments! Once we reveal the identities of each shadowy figure, you’ll have the opportunity to decide which becomes a War for Cybertron figure in 2020.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2725416367528540/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=12}}</ref> The following day, the character selection was revealed, and hashtag-based voting began in the comments section.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Great guesses! The four bots are #GNAW, #RUNAMUCK, #NEEDLENOSE & #SHRAPNEL. As the War for Cybertron rages, each of these bots is trying to sneak onto the Autobot’s spaceship, the Ark. Vote for the Decepticon you’d like to stowaway aboard the Ark and see as a War for Cybertron figure in 2020 by commenting below. Limit one vote per user and one character name per vote. Voting closes in 48-Hours.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2727924640611046/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=13}}</ref>

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* [[Gnaw (G1)|#Gnaw]]
* '''[[Runamuck (G1)|#Runamok]]''' {{sic}}
* [[Needlenose (G1)|#Needlenose]]
* [[Shrapnel (G1)|#Shrapnel]]
|}

Voting closed 48 hours later, with the accompanying image updated to spell Runamuck's name in the more traditional manner,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Thank you for telling us which Decepticon you’d like to see as a War for Cybertron figure in 2020! Voting has officially closed. The winner will be announced on July 17 |link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2732923406777836/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=15}}</ref> suggesting votes with both hashtag variants were counted.

On [[July 18]], the page proclaimed Runamuck the winner,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The fans have spoken and #RUNAMUCK will become a Fall 2020 War for Cybertron figure! Wondering how he stowed away on the Ark? #RUNAMUCK entered through the cargo hold looking to cause some explosive damage. |link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2819867618083414/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=19}}</ref> despite the fact that it appeared that Needlenose had the most votes.{{fact}} [[Runamuck (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Runamuck's toy]] materialised in ''War for Cybertron: Earthrise'' and, perhaps unsurprisingly, ''Earthrise'' [[Runabout (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Runabout]] soon followed... but then again, so did [[#Notes|new toys of all the other candidates]]!

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==2025==
===Activate Your Alt Mode===
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==Notes==
Losing options from the polls frequently received acknowledgement later down the road:
* Unsuccessful names from the 2013 Fan Built Bot poll saw use, with a new character named "[[Centuritron#Generations|Centuritron]]" appearing in ''Generations'', and the names "[[Eagle Eye (G1)#Generations|Eclipse]]" and "[[Brainstorm (G1)#Titans Return|Charon]]" being used for new ''Generations'' toys of classic characters.
* After losing the 2013 poll for a new ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' toy, [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Masterpiece|Beast Convoy]] and [[Lio Convoy#Masterpiece|Lio Convoy]] were released in the line anyway, in [[2016]] and [[2020]] respectively, while [[Ginrai_(human)#MPG|Super Ginrai]] was released in the follow-up [[The_Transformers:_MPG|MPG]] line in 2024.
* The two unchosen names from 2015's Fan Built Combiner poll were used as new identities for established characters, with the ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' incarnation of [[Big Convoy#Beast Wars: Uprising|Big Convoy]] being rechristened "Slammoth" and the ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' character [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]] becoming "Quakebreak" after an [[Shroud|in-fiction alteration to the multiverse]].
* After losing out to Trypticon in 2015's second poll, [[Omega Supreme (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Omega Supreme]] and [[Scorponok (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Scorponok]] received Titan Class figures later on in ''Siege'' and ''Earthrise'' respectively.
* [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Shockwave]] received Leader Class toys in ''Siege'' after losing the opportunity in 2017's poll – and arguably, both of those toys nonetheless fit into the "Evolution"-style armouring up gimmick found in the ''Power of the Primes'' Leader Class.
* Two other runners-up from the 2017 poll would receive big-ticket crowdfunding toys in the form of [[Hasbro Pulse#HasLab|HasLab]] [[Star Saber (G1)#Legacy|Victory Saber]] and [[Deathsaurus (G1)#Legacy|Decepticon Deathsaurus]].
* ''All'' of the candidates from 2018's ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' poll received new toys anyway, with [[Spinister (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Spinister]] appearing in ''Siege'', [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Wheeljack]] seeing three releases across the trilogy beginning with ''Earthrise'', and [[Tracks (G1)/toys#Generations|Tracks]] coming out in the third chapter, ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Kingdom]]''.
* After 2018's ''Vintage G1'' poll, Skywarp was once again eligible in a similar poll in 2019. While he also didn't win that one, 2023's ''Transformers Retro'', the successor to ''Vintage G1'', reissued both [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Transformers_Retro|him]] and fellow 2018 ''Vintage G1'' poll loser [[Perceptor (G1)/toys#Transformers_Retro|Perceptor]].
* [[Gnaw (G1)#Studio Series|Gnaw]] lost the opportunity for a ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' toy in the 2019 poll, but received an aesthetically similar toy in ''[[Studio Series]]''.
* [[Needlenose (G1)#Legacy|Needlenose]] in particular seems to have had the deck stacked in his favour, being a recurring candidate in 2018 and 2019 (and losing both times) before finally being thrown a bone in ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy: Evolution]]''.
* Similarly, [[Shrapnel (G1)#Legacy|Shrapnel]] also got a toy in ''Legacy: Evolution'' despite losing the 2019 poll.

==See also==
* [[Transformers Hall of Fame]], a regular fan poll for honouring ''Transformers'' characters and creators
* ''[[Splatoon]]'', which also featured a vitally important fan poll

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

==External links==
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20150504201626/https://investor.hasbro.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=757648 Hasbro press release announcing the Fan Built Bot poll (archived)]
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20150522183047/https://investor.hasbro.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=892871 Hasbro press release announcing the Fan Built Combiner poll (archived)]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NctR0LWttjA Hasbro announcement video for the Activate Your Alt Mode poll] on the [[Hasbro Pulse]] YouTube channel

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[[Category:Fandom]]

Mark Maher

2025-10-21T17:59:56Z

Omegatron: /* Wreck 'n Doom Collection */

{{disambig3|Mark}}
[[File:Markmaherlasers.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Lasers!]]
'''Mark Maher''' (born [[September 16]]) is the current lead designer on the [[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|''Generations]] mega-brand at [[Hasbro]].<ref name = "Preshow 2022">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuZHDR3ZBd8 Pre-Show stream] for [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2022|Pulse Con 2022]] with [[Thew Adams]] on the [[Hasbro Pulse]] Youtube channel.</ref> A lifelong fan of ''Transformers'', Maher began working at Hasbro as a model artist in 2010, handling some figures for ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' before moving to ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'' for the "Pursuit of Cobra" series. Maher returned to ''Transformers'' to oversee the "[[Transformers (2010 toyline)#Hasbro Reveal the Shield subline|Reveal the Shield]]" deluxe segment, and continued on through the ''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Prime]]'', ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'', and ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)|Age of Extinction]]'' line-ups. Along the way, he became responsible for hand-painting '''every''' ''Transformers'' prototype. Wicked!

Maher has quickly become the face of the brand with fans following his promotion to full designer in [[2018]] and the retirement of Senior Design Manager [[Lenny Panzica]] in [[2021]]. He regularly takes point in presentations for [[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|''Generations]] (and occasionally [[Transformers: BotBots (franchise)|''BotBots'']]) at conventions and [[Hasbro Pulse]] livestreams, and originated<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Mark pushed for the Instagram initiative.|link=https://news.tfw2005.com/2022/07/25/sdcc-hasbro-kotobukiya-show-floor-qa-461912|name=Hasbro|site=TFW2005|title=SDCC Hasbro & Kotobukiya Show Floor Q&A|year=2022|month=07|day=25}}</ref> the now-common Hasbro designer practice of publishing [https://www.instagram.com/markclonus/ design notes on Instagram] for interested fans. Maher was first formally referred to as the design lead for ''Generations'' at [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2022|Pulse Con 2022]].<ref name = "Preshow 2022"/>

Among the ''Generations'' design team, Maher is generally responsible for the [[Transformers: Legacy|''Legacy'']] toyline and similar "play pattern first" product a la [[John Warden]]'s tenure as opposed to the more "[[Show-accuracy|screen accuracy]]" focused work of co-designers [[Sam Smith]] and [[Evan Brooks]] on ''[[Studio Series]]''. He's also never really stopped being the head deco expert, and is personally responsible for such [[redeco]]-heavy imprints as ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Shattered Glass Collection|Shattered Glass]]'', ''[[Buzzworthy Bumblebee]]'', and ''[[Transformers: Legacy#exclusives|Velocitron Speedia 500]]''. If your favorite [[Flamewar (G1)|blorbo]] [[Override (Cybertron)|from]] [[Scourge (RID)|the 00's]] gets a toy in the middle of a big Generation 1 push, thank him.

==Known design projects==
{{creatorstub|credits from [[Hasbro Pulse]] virtual events, [[:Category:Hasbro designers|Hasbro designer]] social media (mostly Instagram), etc etc etc}}

===Concept art===
====''BotBots''====
;Series 6
{{collist|3|
*[[Pew Pew Pew]]
*[[Pork Chop]]
*[[Gleeful Gleamy]]
*[[Chitter Click]]<ref>[https://www.instagram.com/p/CbliQOeMOAS/ Chitter Click design notes] on Mark's Instagram</ref>
}}

===Deco===
====''Dark of the Moon''====
*[[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys 4|Autobot Ratchet]] (Voyager)
;The [[Toys"R"Us]] exclusive Scan Series<ref name = "Insta">[https://www.instagram.com/markclonus/ Design notes from Mark] on Instagram</ref>
{{collist|3|
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#ScanSeries|Bumblebee]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys|Ironhide]]
*[[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#ScanSeries|Autobot Ratchet]]
*[[Sideswipe (Movie)/toys#ScanSeries|Sideswipe]]
}}

====''Transformers'' (2010)====
* [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Wreck-Gar]]
* [[Chopsaw#Transformers (2010)|Chopsaw]]

====Generations====
=====''Generations'' (2010)=====
* [[Warpath (G1)#Generations|Warpath]]
=====''Fall of Cybertron''=====
* [[Roadbuster (Prime)#Generations|Roadbuster]]
=====''Thrilling 30''=====
;''Platinum Edition''
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Platinum Edition|Year of the Horse Optimus Prime]]
=====''Combiner Wars''=====
{{collist|3|
*[[Devastator (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Devastator]] ([[Scrapper (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Scrapper]], [[Hook (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Hook]], [[Bonecrusher (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Bonecrusher]], [[Long Haul (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Long Haul]], [[Mixmaster (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Mixmaster]], [[Scavenger (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Scavenger]])
*[[Windblade (G1)#Combiner Wars|''Combiner Hunters'' Windblade]]
*[[Trailbreaker (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Trailbreaker]]
}}

=====''Titans Return''=====
*[[Trypticon (G1)#Titans Return|Trypticon]] with [[Full-Tilt (G1)#Titans Return|Full-Tilt]] and [[Wipe-Out#Titans Return|Necro]]
*[[Twin Twist (G1)#Titans Return|Twin Twist]] with [[Flameout#Titans Return|Flameout]]<ref name = "FB2019">[[January 3]], [[2019]] [https://www.facebook.com/transformers/videos/381441289276691 "Hasbro Stories" employee interview] with Maher for the official ''Transformers'' Facebook page.</ref>

=====''Power of the Primes''=====
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Power of the Primes|Evolution Optimus Prime]]<ref name = "FB2019"/>

=====''Generations Selects''=====
*[[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#Generations Selects|Combat Megatron]]
=====''War for Cybertron: Siege''=====
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#S65|Classic Animation Optimus Prime]]
*[[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#S66|Classic Animation Megatron]]
=====''War for Cybertron: Kingdom''=====
*[[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Megatron (Core Class)]]
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Rodimus Prime]]<ref>[[Hasbro Pulse Fan Fest 2021/Questions and Answers]]</ref>

====''Prime''====
{{collist|3|
*[[Thundertron#Prime|Thundertron]]
*[[Megatron (WFC)/toys#DarkEnergon|''Dark Energon'' Megatron]]
*[[Megatron (WFC)/toys#Unicron|''Cyberverse'' Unicron Megatron]]
}}

====''Masterpiece''====
*[[Sunstorm (G1)#HasbroMP|Sunstorm]]
*[[Acid Storm (G1)#Masterpiece|Acid Storm]]

====Nike====
*[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Nike|Calvin Johnson Megatron]]

===Full design or unspecified===
====Generations====
=====''Generations Selects''=====
*[[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#SelectsTargetmaster|Cyclonus]] & [[Nightstick (G1)#Generations Selects|Nightstick]]<ref name ="Insta"/>
*[[Antagony (BW)#Generations Selects|Antagony]]
*Go-Bots Guardians ([[Path Finder#Generations Selects|Path Finder]], [[Treds#Generations Selects|Treds]], [[Small Foot#Generations Selects|Small Foot]])

=====''War for Cybertron: Siege''=====
*[[Crosshairs (G1)#Generations|Crosshairs]]<ref name ="August22">[[August 16]], 2022's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxRrhLJ1KH0 Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Delaney Norris]], [[Sam Smith]], [[Evan Brooks]], and [[Isabella Weiss]].</ref>

=====''War for Cybertron: Kingdom''=====
;Core Class
*[[Soundwave (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Soundwave]] with [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Laserbeak]]<ref name = "August22"/>
;Deluxe Class
{{collist|3|
*[[Scorponok (BW)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Scorponok]]<ref>Transformers panel at [[Hasbro Pulse Fan Fest 2021]]</ref>
*[[Slammer#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Slammer]]
*[[Huffer (G1)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Huffer]]
*[[Pipes (G1)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Pipes]]
*[[Tracks (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Tracks]]
*[[Cheetor (BW)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Cheetor]]
*[[Wingfinger#Toys|Wingfinger]]
*[[Blackarachnia (BW)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Blackarachnia]]
*[[Airazor (BW)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Airazor]]
}}

;Voyager Class
*[[Blaster (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Blaster]] with [[Eject (G1)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Eject]]

======''Golden Disk Collection''======
*[[Jackpot (G1)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Jackpot]]

=====''War for Cybertron Trilogy''=====
*[[Cheetor (BW)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Cheetor]]

=====''Shattered Glass Collection''=====
{{collist|3|
*[[Megatron (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Megatron]]
*[[Goldbug (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Goldbug]]
*[[Blurr (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Blurr]]
*[[Jetfire (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Jetfire]]
*[[Blaster (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Blaster]] with [[Rewind (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Rewind]]
*[[Ultra Magnus (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Ultra Magnus]]
*[[Wheeljack (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Slicer]] with [[Exo-Suit (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Exo-Suit]]
*[[Flamewar (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Flamewar]] with [[Fireglide#Shattered Glass Collection|Fireglide]]
*[[Rodimus (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Rodimus]] and [[Sideswipe (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Sideswipe]] with Decepticon [[Whisper (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Whisper]]
}}

=====''Buzzworthy Bumblebee''=====
{{collist|3|
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#BuzzworthyOrigin|Origin Bumblebee]]
*[[Nemesis Primal]]
*[[Silverstreak#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Silverstreak]]
*[[Ransack (G1)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Ransack]]
*[[Skywasp#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Skywasp]]
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#CreaturesCollide|Goldbug]]
*[[Scorponok (BW)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Scorponok]] (toy colors)
*[[Fangry (G1)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Fangry]] with [[Brisko#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Brisko]]
*[[Jazz (G1)/toys#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Origin Autobot Jazz]]
*[[Air Warrior#Buzzworthy_Bumblebee|Decepticon Seeker]]
*[[Quintesson Bailiff#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Quintesson Trooper]]
*[[Cybertronian (faction)#Buzzworthy_Bumblebee|G2 Universe Cybertronian Trooper]]
*[[Autotrooper (Animated)#Buzzworthy_Bumblebee|Animated Universe Autotrooper]]
*[[Tow-Line (RID)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Robots in Disguise 2000 Universe Tow-Line]]
}}

=====''Collaborative''=====
*[[J. Balvintron#Toys|J. Balvintron]] / [[Buzzsaw (G1)/toys#Collaborative|Energia Buzzsaw]] & [[Stripes#Collaborative|Vibras Stripes]]

=====''Studio Series''=====
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#SS77|N.E.S.T. Bumblebee]]

=====''Legacy''=====
*[[Menasor (G1)#Legacy|Menasor]]
;Core Class
{{collist|3|
*[[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Legacy|Skywarp]]
*[[Iguanus (G1)#Legacy|Iguanus]]
*[[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Legacy|Shockwave]]
}}

;Deluxe Class
{{collist|3|
*[[Buzz Saw (BW)#Legacy|Buzzsaw]]
*[[Sandstorm (BW)#Legacy|Sandstorm]]
*[[Nightprowler#Legacy|Nightprowler]]
*[[Arcee (WFC)#Legacy|Prime Universe Arcee]]
*[[Drag Strip (G1)#Legacy|Drag Strip]]
*[[Wildrider (G1)#Legacy|Wild Rider]]
*[[Skids (G1)#Legacy|Skids]]
*[[Skullgrin#Legacy|Skullgrin]]<ref name = "SDCC22">[https://news.tfw2005.com/2022/07/21/san-diego-comic-con-2022-transformers-reveal-panel-461255 SDCC 2022 Hasbro Transformers Product Reveal Panel report] at TFW2005</ref>
*[[Pointblank#Legacy|Pointblank]] (with [[Peacemaker#Legacy|Peacemaker]])<ref name = "SDCC22"/>
*[[Crankcase (G1)#Legacy|Crankcase]]<ref name = "August22"/>
*[[Dead End (G1)#Legacy|Dead End]]<ref name = "August22"/>
*[[Elita One (G1)#Legacy|Elita One]]
*[[Kickback (G1)#Legacy|Kickback]]
*[[Tarantulas (BW)/toys#Legacy|Tarantulas]]
*[[Knock Out (Prime)#Legacy|Prime Universe Knock Out]]
*[[Security Officer (G1)#Legacy|Red Cog]]
*[[Minerva (G1 robot)#Legacy|Autobot Minerva]]
}}

;Voyager Class
{{collist|3|
*[[Jhiaxus (G2)#Legacy|Jhiaxus]]
*[[Starscream (Armada)/toys#Legacy|Armada Universe Starscream]]<ref name = "SDCC22"/>
*[[Bulkhead (Prime)#Legacy|Prime Universe Bulkhead]]
*[[Inferno (BW)#Legacy|Inferno]]<ref name = "August22"/>
}}
;Leader Class
*[[Blitzwing (G1)/toys#Legacy|Blitzwing]]

;Commander Class
*[[Motormaster (G1)#Legacy|Motormaster]]

======''Wreck 'N Rule Collection''======
(Design lead)<ref name ="Insta"/>
{{collist|3|
*[[Impactor (G1)#Legacy|Comic Universe Impactor]] and [[Spindle#Legacy|Spindle]]
*[[Leadfoot (G2)#Legacy|G2 Universe Leadfoot]] and [[Masterdominus]]
*[[Bulkhead (Prime)#WreckNRule|Prime Universe Bulkhead]]
*[[Twin Twist (G1)#Legacy|Diaclone Universe Twin Twist]]
}}

======''Velocitron Speedia 500 Collection''======
{{collist|3|
*[[Blurr (G1)/toys#Legacy|Blurr]]
*[[Burn Out (Diaclone)#Legacy|Diaclone Universe Burn Out]]
*[[Clampdown (G1)#Legacy|Diaclone Universe Clampdown]]
*[[Cosmos (G1)#Legacy|Autobot Cosmos]]
*[[Override (Cybertron)#Legacy|Cybertron Universe Override]]
*[[Road Rocket (G2)#Legacy|G2 Universe Road Rocket]]
*[[Galaxy Shuttle#Legacy|Victory Universe Galaxy Shuttle]]
}}

=====''Legacy: Evolution''=====
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys#LegacyPowerlinx|Armada Universe Powerlinx Hot Shot]] (w/ [[Jolt (Armada)#Legacy|Armada Universe Jolt]])
*[[Menasor (G1)#LegacyGiftset|Stunticon Menasor]] ([[Motormaster (G1)#LegacyGiftset|Decepticon Motormaster]], [[Drag Strip (G1)#LegacyGiftset|Decepticon Dragstrip]], [[Wildrider (G1)#LegacyGiftset|Decepticon Wild Rider]], [[Dead End (G1)#LegacyGiftset|Dead End]], and [[Breakdown (G1)#LegacyGiftset|Breakdown]])

;Deluxe Class
{{collist|3|
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys#Legacy|Armada Universe Hot Shot]]
*[[Breakdown (G1)#Legacy|Breakdown]]
*[[Needlenose (G1)#Legacy|Needlenose]] (w/ [[Sunbeam (G1)#Legacy|Sunbeam]] & [[Zigzag#Legacy|Zigzag]])
*[[Scraphook#Legacy|Scraphook]]
*[[Crashbar#Legacy|Crashbar]]
*[[Crosscut (G1)#Legacy|Crosscut]]
*[[Shrapnel (G1)#Legacy|Shrapnel]]
*[[Beachcomber (G1)#Legacy|Beachcomber]] & [[Paradise Parakeet#Legacy|Paradise Parakeet]]
*[[Devcon (G1)#Legacy|Devcon]]
*[[Axlegrease#Legacy|Axlegrease]]
*[[Shadow Striker (Cyberverse)#Legacy|Shadow Striker]]
*[[Bombshell (G1)#Legacy|Bombshell]]
*[[Strongarm (RID)#Legacy|Strongarm]]
*[[Medix (G1)#Legacy|Medix]]
}}

;Voyager Class
{{collist|3|
*[[Lio Convoy#Legacy|Maximal Leo Prime]]
*[[Tarn (G1)#Legacy|Comic Universe Tarn]]
*[[Twincast#Legacy|Twincast]] (w/ [[Rewind (G1)#Legacy|Rewind]])
*[[Black Lio Convoy#Legacy|Nemesis Leo Prime]]
*[[Bludgeon (G1)#Legacy|Bludgeon]]
}}

;Leader Class
*[[Skyquake (Prime)#Legacy|Prime Universe Skyquake]]
*[[Dreadwing (Prime)#Legacy|Prime Universe Dreadwing]]

;Commander Class
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#Legacy|Armada Universe Optimus Prime]]

======''Toxitron Collection''======
(design lead)<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBqMyy6HYxE San Diego Comic-Con 2023 Generations panel recording] at the "Memo's collection" YouTube channel</ref>
*[[Cloudcover#Legacy|Cloudcover]]
*[[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Legacy|G2 Universe Sideswipe]]

=====Holiday=====
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Holiday|Holiday Optimus Prime]]

=====''Legacy: United''=====
;Deluxe Class
{{collist|3|
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)/toys#Legacy|Animated Universe Bumblebee]]
*[[Chase (RB)#Legacy|Rescue Bots Universe Chase]]
*[[Windblade (Cyberverse)#Legacy|Cyberverse Universe Windblade]]
*[[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Legacy|Origins Wheeljack]]
*[[Chromia (Cyberverse)#Legacy|Cyberverse Universe Chromia]]
*[[Gears (G1)#Legacy|G1 Universe Autobot Gears]]
*[[Shard#Legacy|Infernac Universe Shard]]
*[[Tarantulas (BW)/toys#United|Beast Wars Universe Tarantulas]]
*[[Cliffjumper (WFC)#Legacy|Prime Universe Cliffjumper]]
*[[Squeezeplay (G1)#Legacy|G1 Universe Squeezeplay]] (with [[Lokos#Legacy|G1 Universe Lokos]] and [[Browning#Legacy|Browning]])
*[[Side Burn (RID)#Legacy|Robots in Disguise 2001 Universe Autobot Side Burn]]
*[[Nucleous#Toys|Infernac Universe Nucleous]]
*[[Slipstream (Cyberverse)#Legacy|Cyberverse Universe Slipstream]]
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#LegacyUnited|G1 Universe Optimus Prime]] (G1 toy style)
*[[Quake (G1)#Legacy|G1 Universe Quake]] (with [[Tiptop#Legacy|G1 Universe Tiptop]] and [[Heater#Legacy|G1 Universe Heater]])
*[[Breakdown (G1)#LegacyUnited|G2 Universe Breakdown]]
}}

;Voyager Class
{{collist|3|
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys#Legacy|Animated Universe Optimus Prime]]
*[[Thundertron#Legacy|Prime Universe Thundertron]]
*[[Silverbolt (Fuzor)#Legacy|Beast Wars Universe Silverbolt]]
*[[Starscream (Armada)/toys#LegacyCybertron|Cybertron Universe Starscream]]
*[[Tarn (Cyberverse)#Legacy|Cyberverse Universe Tarn]]
*[[Vector Prime#Legacy|Cybertron Universe Vector Prime]]
*[[Metalhawk (G1)#LegacyUnited|G1 Universe Metalhawk]] (toy colors redeco)
*[[The Motor Master#Legacy|Animated Universe Decepticon Motormaster]]
}}

;Leader Class
{{collist|3|
*[[Tigerhawk#Legacy|Beast Wars Universe Tigerhawk]]
*[[Sandstorm (G1)#Legacy|G1 Triple Changer Sandstorm]]
*[[Soundwave (G1)/toys#LegacyLeader|G1 Universe Soundwave]] (with [[Rumble (G1)/toys#Legacy|G1 Universe Decepticon Rumble]], [[Buzzsaw (G1)/toys#Legacy|G1 Universe Buzzsaw]], [[Ravage (G1)/toys#Legacy|G1 Universe Ravage]])
*[[Overcharge (G1)#Legacy|Overcharge]]
}}

;Commander Class
*[[Magmatron#Legacy|Beast Wars Universe Magmatron]]

======''Doom 'n Destruction Collection''======
{{collist|3|
*Doom 'n Destruction Collection 3-Pack ([[Chop Shop (G1)#Legacy|Chop Shop]], [[Barrage (Insecticon)#Legacy|Barrage]], [[Malleus Minotaurus]])
*Doom 'n Destruction Collection 2-Pack ([[Breakdown (WFC)#Legacy|Prime Universe Breakdown]], [[Windsweeper#Legacy|Windsweeper]], [[Cleansweep]], [[Ozone]])
*Doom 'n Destruction Collection 2-Pack ([[Bludgeon (G1)#LegacyUnited|Decepticon Bludgeon]], [[Ruckus (G1)#Legacy|Decepticon Rukus]])
}}

======''Star Raider Collection''======
{{collist|3|
*[[Cannonball (Cybertron)#Legacy|Star Raider Cannonball]]
*[[Ferak#Legacy|Star Raider Ferak]]
*[[Filch#Legacy|Star Raider Filch]]
*[[Lockdown (G1)#Legacy|Star Raider Lockdown]]
*[[Road Pig (G2)#Legacy|Star Raider Road Pig]]
*[[Thundertron#Walmart|Star Raider Thundertron]]
*[[Nightstrike#Legacy|Star Raider Nightstrike]]
*[[Calcitron#Legacy|Infernac Universe Calcitron]]
}}

=====Target=====
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Target|Target Optimus Prime]] with [[Bullseye (Target)|Bullseye]]

=====''Age of the Primes'' =====
;Deluxe Class
{{collist|3|
*[[Air Raid (G1)#Age of the Primes|Aerialbot Air Raid]]
*[[Slingshot (G1)#Age of the Primes|Aerialbot Slingshot]]
*[[Solus Prime#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Solus Prime]]
*[[Wasp#Age of the Primes|Fugitive Waspinator]]
*[[Maccadam#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Alchemist Prime]]
*[[Vortex (G1)#Age of the Primes|Combaticon Vortex]]
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Age of the Primes|Ultra Magnus]]
*[[Bumper (G1)#Age of the Primes|Autobot Bumper]]
*[[Horri-Bull#Age of the Primes|Horri-Bull]] (w/ [[Kreb#Age of the Primes|Kreb]])
*[[Fireflight (G1)#Age of the Primes|Aerialbot Fireflight]]
*[[Micronus Prime#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Micronus Prime]]
*[[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)#Age of the Primes|Aerialbot Skydive]]
*[[Venom (G1)#Age of the Primes|Venin]]
*[[Blast Off (G1)#Age of the Primes|Combaticon Blast Off]]
*[[Jalopy|Junkion Jalopy]]
*[[Quickstrike (BW)#Age of the Primes|Quickstrike]]
*[[Quintus Prime#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Quintus Prime]]
*[[Sureshot (G1)#Age of the Primes|Targetmaster Sureshot]] (w/ [[Spoilsport#Age of the Primes|Spoilsport]])
}}

;Voyager Class
{{collist|3|
*[[Prima#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Prima Prime]]
*[[Red Alert (Armada)#Age of the Primes|Autobot Red Alert]]
*[[Heatwave (RB)#Age of the Primes|Rescue Bot Heatwave]]
*[[Sky-Byte (RID)#Age of the Primes|Sky-Byte]]
*[[Nemesis Prime (Animated)#Age of the Primes|Nemesis Prime]]
*[[Alpha Trion/toys#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Alpha Trion]]
*[[Flatline (G1)#Age of the Primes|Flatline]]
*[[Amalgamous Prime#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Amalgamous Prime]]
*[[Brawl (G1)#Age of the Primes|Combaticon Brawl]]
*[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)#Age of the Primes|Wreck-Gar]]
}}

;Leader Class
{{collist|3|
*[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Age of the Primes|G2 Universe Grimlock]] / [[Wheelie (G1)#Age_of_the_Primes|Autobot Wheelie]]
*[[The Fallen/toys#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Megatronus the Fallen]]
*[[Onyx Prime#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Onyx Prime]]
*[[Big Convoy#Age of the Primes|Big Convoy]]
*[[Razorclaw (Universe)#Age of the Primes|Razorclaw]]
}}
;Commander Class
*[[Silverbolt (G1)#Age of the Primes|Aerialbot Silverbolt]]
*[[Onslaught (G1)#Age of the Primes|Combaticon Onslaught]]

;Titan Class
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Star Optimus Prime]] (w/ [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Age of the Primes|Micromaster Autobot Hot Rod]])

======''Wreck 'n Doom Collection''======
{{collist|3|
*[[Spinister (G1)#Age of the Primes|Spinister]] vs. [[Topspin (G1)#Age of the Primes|Topspin]] (w/ [[Hairsplitter#Age of the Primes|Hairsplitter]], [[Singe#Age of the Primes|Singe]], and [[Freezeout (TR)#Age of the Primes|Headmaster Freezeout]])
*[[Ironfist (G1)#Age of the Primes|Fisitron]] vs. [[Carnivac (G1)#Age of the Primes|Carnivac]]
*[[Sandstorm (G1)#Age of the Primes|Autobot Sandstorm]] vs. [[Slugslinger (G1)#Age of the Primes|Slugslinger]] (w/ [[Caliburst (G1)#Age of the Primes|Caliburst]])
}}

=====Other (2025)=====
*[[Nemesis Prime (Armada)#Generations|Armada Nemesis Prime]] and [[Air Defense Mini-Con Team (Armada)#Generations|Air Defense Mini Con Team]] ([[Jetstorm (Armada)#Generations|Jetstorm]], [[Runway (Armada)#Generations|Runway]] and [[Sonar (Armada)#Generations|Sonar]])
{{--}}
====Cyberworld====
*[[Megatron (Cyberworld)|Megatron]] <ref>Instagram story that was screencapped here: https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/cyberworld-first-look.1273038/page-153#post-23646158</ref>

==Comic book art==
*[[Shattered Glass II issue 5|Shattered Glass II #5]] (retailer incentive cover)

==Convention appearances==
[[File:BotCon2014MaherMural.jpg|thumb|250px|These Colors May Run If It Is Artistically Justifiable (BotCon 2014 mural)]]
*[[BotCon 2012]]
*[[BotCon 2013]]
*[[BotCon 2014]]
*[[BotCon 2015]]
*[[Hasbro Pulse Fan Fest 2021]]
*[[Hasbro Pulse Con 2021]]
*[[Hasbro Pulse Con 2022]]
*[[Hasbro Pulse Con 2023]]
*[[Hasbro Pulse Con 2024]]
*[[Cybertron Con 2024]]
*[[San Diego Comic-Con#2025|San Diego Comic-Con 2025]]

==Hasbro Pulse livestream appearances==
*[[July 17]], [[2020]]'s [https://fb.watch/48Nhv29_z1/ livestream] on Facebook, with [[Rachel Fleming]].
*[[April 9]], [[2021]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU1IRBw_9_c&t=2401s Hasbro Pulse FAN FEST 2021], with Rachel Fleming.
*[[February 4]], [[2022]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_jRsZDV9FI "Fan First Friday | Transformers Livestream"] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Isabella Weiss]], [[Sam Smith]], and [[Evan Brooks]].
*[[April 12]], 2022's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MExpXH9zAg Fan First Tuesday | BACK-TO-BACK Transformers & Power Rangers Livestream], with Isabella Weiss, Rachel Fleming, and [[Takio Ejima]].
*[[June 23]], 2022's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=/u-vNMsLdhXo "Hasbro Pulse | Transformers Fanstream"] with Ben MacCrae and Isabella Weiss.
*[[August 16]], 2022's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxRrhLJ1KH0 Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae, [[Delaney Norris]], Sam Smith, Evan Brooks, and Isabella Weiss.
*[[January 31]], [[2023]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l33J9hIaQm8 Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with Delaney Norris, Evan Brooks, and Ben MacCrae.
*[[February 6]], 2023's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g9aZg2DIAw Hasbro's Transformers Team Roundtable Q&A February 2023 - Origin Jazz Revealed!] recorded on the Seibertron.com YouTube channel, with Delaney Norris, Sam Smith, Evan Brooks, and Ben MacCrae
*[[April 4]], 2023's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qv8dh66d48 Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae, Evan Brooks, Sam Smith and [[Shogo Hasui]].
*[[June 20]], 2023's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjLY0uamTKM Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae, Evan Brooks, and [[Rich Pellegrino]].
*[[October 27]], 2023's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQDGvr0oGqs 1027 Hasbro Pulse Premium Event] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae.
*[[November 14]], 2023's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClqPbfd2hcg Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae and Evan Brooks.
*[[March 7]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pkz6oTI7W4 Hasbro Pulse | Transformers 40th Anniversary Fanstream | March 7, 2024] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae and Evan Brooks.
*[[March 14]], 2024's [https://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESK6ZEhqM5Y Hasbro Pulse | Transformers 40th Anniversary Fanstream | March 14, 2024] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae and Evan Brooks.
*[[March 21]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPkQZZ4zasE Hasbro Pulse | Transformers 40th Anniversary Fanstream | March 21, 2024] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae and Evan Brooks.
*[[March 28]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlrpW_ZFKvE Hasbro Pulse | Transformers 40th Anniversary Fanstream | March 28, 2024] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae, Evan Brooks, [[Kelly Rose]], and [[Matt Ferguson]].
*[[April 25]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s06YE02e844 Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream | April 2024] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae and Evan Brooks.
*October 27, 2024's [https://youtu.be/70HJMtOWpk0?si=2oTW4ASEa32kacga&t=1092 1027 Hasbro Pulse Premium Event 2024!] on YouTube, with [[Nate Purswell]] and Evan Brooks.
*[[December 10]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjmcMC9nNoA Transformers Age of the Primes Reveal | Dive into the Legacy of the Thirteen Primes | Hasbro Pulse ] on YouTube.
*[[January 14]], [[2025]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc5mkAAGzyE MASSIVE Transformers Tuesday! In-Hand Product Showcase and Pre-orders | Hasbro Pulse] on YouTube, with Nate Purswell and Evan Brooks.
*[[June 10]], 2025's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEAkXHAU034 Transformers Fanstream | June 2025 | Hasbro Pulse] on YouTube, with Nate Purswell.
*[[July 25]], 2025's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T18IQaMuGVk Transformers Brand Panel Recap | SDCC 2025 | Hasbro Pulse] on YouTube, with Evan Brooks and Nate Purswell.

==Notes==
[[File:HasbroPawtucketElectricalBox.jpg|thumb|Who DIDN'T want a [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] Optimus Prime with bonus 20,000 volts of death?]]
*Mark is also an artist outside work! He ran a graffiti art studio for much of the 2010s.
*A regular [[BotCon]] attendee for Hasbro, Mark customized a ''[[Movie Trilogy Series]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]] trailer in-person at their booth during the 2012 convention. He took this theme to another level in 2014, using the BotCon weekend to spray-paint a three-section mural!
*Maher is featured in the "A Spark of Design" featurette on the Blu-ray disc for ''Age of Extinction.''
*His own custom-painted ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Sunstorm (G1)#Masterpiece|Sunstorm]] was the basis for the [[Toys"R"Us]] exclusive figure.
*Mark's personal favorite projects include ''Masterpiece'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#mp10|Optimus Prime]] and [[Acid Storm (G1)#Masterpiece|Acid Storm]]. Coincidentally (or not), ''Masterpiece'' MP-10 Optimus Prime is his favorite toy, while [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] is his favorite character.
*He has a Decepticon logo [[tattoo]] directly over his heart.
*With approval from Hasbro and the city of [[Pawtucket]], Mark <s>transformed</s> converted a utility box on the sidewalk outside Hasbro headquarters into an Optimus Prime head!

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[https://www.instagram.com/markclonus/ Mark Maher on Instagram]
*[https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-d-maher-a0b334135/ Mark Maher on LinkedIn]
*[http://www.etipsone.com Mark's graffiti style and numerous personal art projects at etipsone.com] (dead link)

===Interviews===
*[[January 3]], [[2019]] [https://www.facebook.com/transformers/videos/381441289276691 "Hasbro Stories" employee interview] with Maher for the official ''Transformers'' Facebook page
*[[January 14]], [[2023]] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PENnT1Ljp8I Interview] along with [[Evan Brooks]] on the "Toys are Russ" YouTube channel
*[[February 8]], [[2023]] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voS6WZ-PT2E Interview] along with [[Delaney Norris]], Evan Brooks, and [[Ben MacCrae]] on the "Mr. Alan SuperShow" YouTube channel

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==The Thirteen and the other conversation we've been waiting for==

Over the last few years, the Thirteen have played a major role in multiple ''Transformers'' stories. However, this prominence—combined with Hasbro's increasingly loose approach their in-universe lore—has also led to increasingly divergent portrayals of the group and its individual members.

Around 2015, we took the step of consolidating all the different incarnations of the Thirteen on one page for each, with the rationale that the characters were former [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]], and mostly shared similar backstories and personalities between incarnations. However, even at the time, this was not a completely ideal comporomise. Most notably, the various [[Alpha Trion]]s were not consolidated into one, partly due to length and partly because the existence of his [[Alpha Trion#Shattered Glass|murderously insane evil counterpart]] represented a massive contradiction to the entire notion.

However, over the years, multiple authors have drastically reinterpreted the Thirteen and their story. The role of "Thirteenth Prime" has been filled by multiple contradictory characters—[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]], [[Zeta Prime (One)|Zeta Prime]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]—and individual depictions of the Primes themselves have grown increasingly divergent. "Shattered Glass" Alpha Trion is no longer the outlier, but rather an increasing trend: for instance, ''Transformers One'' features a completely heroic Megatronus who never becomes The Fallen, a Liege Maximo that looks nothing like Loki, and an incarnation of Nexus Prime that does not seem to be a combiner. With these data points in mind—and the potential for even further divergence in the coming years—I and several other editors feel that it may be time to reorganize our Thirteen coverage, splitting them out into individual [[continuity family]]-based incarnations the way we would for stock characters like [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)|Bumblebee]], etc.

However, if we do adopt this approach, some further problems would need to be solved.

* '''How do we handle toys?''' With a few exceptions like ''Revenge of the Fallen'' The Fallen, the toys of the Thirteen are clearly meant to be somewhat continuity-agnostic. ''Age of the Primes'' Solus Prime is about as faithful to her depiction in ''The Covenant of Primus'' as it is to ''One'' or any of the IDW comics in which she appears. Even if we count them as "repurposes" across multiple pages, the format of the wiki means they'd have to be based ''somewhere''...

* '''FunPub stuff''': The Vector Prime of "Ask Vector Prime" is clearly meant to be a version of the same Vector Prime who appeared in the ''Cybertron'' cartoon, but at the same time makes reference to off-camera events, such as a time when he and the Thirteen lived in Ancient Greece—would we make a separate "FunPub" page for the Thirteen, or try and work these events onto Unicron Trilogy pages when necessary? Other similar problems exist: "[[Coalescence]]" is a story that features a movie universe Fallen jumping into the world of ''Shattered Glass'', and AVP established that "The Evil One" of GoBots fame, is another alternate-universe incarnation of The Fallen/Megatronus.

Feedback on this proposal is appreciated! [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:50, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:From my point of view, I think as it stands right now my thoughts on the Thirteenth Prime stuff is that I absolutely understand the concerns, but for me personally it kind of falls into the same view as like, IDW Primus being Rung, which I think our current model handles fairly well. For the other Primes, I'm tempted to say that like...as it stands, there's about as much divergence there as like, Unicron as he's depicted in The Last Knight (not really shown to be aggressive beyond being called Cybertron's enemy), and as it stands right now, I don't think that's enough to say there should be a full-on split, but I do think it's worth thinking about future-proofing. And I suppose my main concern right now about pushing ahead too soon is in the event there's some fiction accompanying the Age of the Primes stuff; certainly, the fact that we're getting a toy of the Fallen with the Megatronus name but with the original Dreamwave design does make me hesitant that there might be some further consolidation of disparate elements; and I remember that last time we did this in the early 2010s was that we figured the idea of the Aligned Primes not having any connections to the others was going to be the standard going forward, which turned out not to be the case, and I figure it might be worth considering if something like that happens again. But! I am open to ideas of how to implement this if we do go for it; I think the suite options we have for Primus and Unicron work perfectly fine if we go for something like that. Just figure it's worth considering the stuff I've brought up here first. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:35, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Right now, I'm leaning toward the camp of not splitting them out for all the reasons you've given. I look at our current situation and, while not perfect, I feel that things can be tidied up simply with some "Conceptual history" sections for the pages that need them. The aforementioned Vector Prime is a particular case not just for everything stated about him above, but because [[Vector Prime: In the Beginning|his very first Fub Pub appearance]] written by [[Forest Lee]] leans so heavily far into the multiversal aspect of the character that it doesn't treat him like he is a native to the Cybertron cartoon universe but rather to the whole multiverse itself. Similarly, Nexus Prime was also continuity-agnostic by his very nature from the ground up. The safest solution for splitting him out would be to classify his Fun Pub incarnation under "(Timelines)" (the previous "(Classics)" tag we had him under was bleh), but that's typically a last-resort tag we have tried to avoid in the past.
::Regarding The Fallen, while he does tend to be evil in a majority of his depictions, and has had a few outlier cases where he either didn't go bad at all (TF One) or was the victim of other's manipulations (Covenant), it's implied that the majority of those evil versions weren't always evil from the start, and only went bad later. The TF One version of Megatronus never turned to the dark side, but one could argue that he was murdered before he ever would have gotten the chance to. ;-)
::Regarding the Thirteenth Prime and various conflicting the depictions, we solved that issue by simply creating the "[[Thirteenth Prime]]" article to explain everything there.
::You mention the situation with Alpha Trion, and I get it. The biggest reasons for simply not merging all of his pages together were that A) he was never originally meant to be one of the Thirteen since the original Dreamwave-based lore for the Thirteen had them all die before A3 was even born, and B) his Shattered Glass self. I used to be a proponent for keeping all of his versions separate because of A, but in the time since then we've had more and more depictions of him as a 13er who were all still pretty much the same as his traditional pre-Aligned depictions. If we were to merge all of his versions together, a "Conceptual history" section for him could explain the whole "Sometimes he's a 13er, sometimes he's not" situation.
::BUT, there still remains his SG version, which I wouldn't feel comfortable putting on the same page as his other versions. Reaching back to the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3F original discussion] about how to handle the SG characters, I find myself still agreeing with those like Steve-o who pointed out how awkward "'''Continuity X''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Continuity Y''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of different but still funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Shattered Glass''': Bumblebee is hardcore evil and wants to kill you for no particular reason. '''Continuity Z''': Bumblebee loves humans and does yet another set of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe." reads as a page. But, there is one thing we have nowadays that we did not have back when that original discussion was held and makes me wonder how differently the conversation might have gone if they had existed back then: Subpages. Looking at our [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] articles, I find it to be a very fair and workable compromise that their respective SG versions are placed not on their respective main pages but as subpages for each. Doing the same for SG Alpha Trion were we to merge all of the non-SG A3's together could be a valid solution too, in my eyes. Unlike others, I don't see subpages as an annoying evil that much be dealt with and eliminated, but as a handy tool to work around tricky situations like this.
::Had they even existed back then, it's very possible that ALL SG characters may have ended up on subpages for their positive polarity counterparts instead of separate pages entirely. And since then, SG has grown to expand not just beyond the original Fun Pub SG G1 continuity but to other non-G1 SG continuities, like for the Movies, Animated, and Cybertron, forcing us to create such unsightly tags as "(SG Movie)", "(SG Animated)", and "(SG Cybertron)", when subpages could have prevented that with "(Movie)/Shattered Glass" or "(Animated)/Shattered Glass" and so on.
::But, I'm getting off topic. Backing up to the Thirteen, I'm for keeping the Thirteen together. In addition to what all I've said above, the Age of the Primes toys seem to be treating them as the standard or definitive versions of the Thirteen that apply for every version/universe/continuity, pulling from all across the board rather than sticking to a single depicted version of them. Prima has his Aligned body but the Sunbow Powerful Robot's head. The Fallen is just the Dreamwave design but with Aligned Megatronus's weapons from the books and RID 2015 cartoon. Micronus is likely to be based on his RID 2015 design which was itself based on the Aligned design. The statue group artwork makes Amalgamous looks more like his TF One design than his Aligned design. Vector Prime is just straight-up Cybertron Vector Prime. And Star Convoy was never one of the Thirteen in any version before now. Yet, all these disparately-sourced designs are being treated as if they all belong to the same group no matter what continuity they come from. So keeping them together as they are would just make it easier for us to not have to split hairs over which versions of which 13ers these are supposed to be when the answer would simply be "all of the above" (and we wouldn't have to put multiple entries of the same toy on, like, six or seven different characters' pages that would have to maintained equally across all of those pages). This model makes this particular version of the group feel inherently multiversal, with each member either originating from a different universe as each other, or being a multiversal hybrids comprised of different aspects of different versions of them from across the dimensions, as if Hasbro is trying to say that the AOTP versions represent *every* version of the Thirteen (minus Star Optimus, of course, since we know he's not a member in every version of this group). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:01, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::As somebody who's pushed for this split for a long time, I'm obviously all for it. I feel we can easily determine where the toys go based on their main inspirations (Fallen is G1 Dreamwave, Micronus is Aligned RID, etc) are or just make the links go to the G1 pages (since G1 is effectively the wastebasket taxon of this franchise anyway). For the FunPub stuff, we can either do it Sideways style or just do it like we do for Kre-O and ancillary stuff: place them based on the characterization/design used by the work. Multiversal Vector Prime is pretty much just Cybertron Vector Prime (and the TransTech incarnation from the last portion of AVP can be split out).
:::I am pretty much opposed to "subpages" because that is just duplicating the parentheses system we already have just for the sake of pedantry. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:03, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::Fully agree with both Escargon and Sabrblade, and their reasoning. I am biased against splits pretty much as a matter of cause, but the Thirteen ''in particular'' have for most of their history (including now, in the continuity-agnostic ''Age of the Primes!)'' been defined by their multiversal nature. I just don't think a split would be helpful. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 16:05, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::So we need to wait five years of more non-multiversal stories to have this discussion again? That doesn't make sense. The COP version of the Thirteen weren't characterized as singularities in the first place, regardless; only FunPub cared about that aspect (and not even with the usual lineup we have now) and they tossed it because they realized it was an unworkable concept in this franchise and it's unlikely to ever get resurrected. It's been nearly a decade since the Shroud (the concept only existed from 2009-2015). You bring up AOTP but toylines clearly don't and never thought about those characters in terms of our organizational schema. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:19, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I think we can probably leave the most of the old content together, since it might be a mess to split them apart and much of that content is based on the Covenant mythos anyway. I feel new iterations of the Thirteen (post-POTP?) should get their own pages, like ''Earthspark'' Quintus and the ''One'' Primes (particularly Megatronus since he's quite different). Though I suppose that begs the question of what to use in the parentheses for their current pages... —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 13:10, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::How much of it is actually sticking to the Covenant? IDW1 had them be regular guys and some pre-Covenant stuff (notably Megatronus/Fallen) is more prominent for the character and not really compatible. Other Aligned stuff has also influenced other "continuity families", but we're not merging those articles, so I don't really see why this is different regarding the Thirteen. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:49, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I’m against splitting pages, mostly because The Thirteen haven’t had enough drastic and unique depictions of them to stop “breaking the rules” for them and give them split pages.
::> The Thirteen haven’t followed the traditional convention of “every character gets a new page for that universe’s depiction”, mostly because of the whole multiversal singularity issue. Now while that concept isn’t used in fiction anymore, ''Age of the Primes'' seems to lean towards having a standard, continuity-agnostic depiction of the Thirteen from which future teams can use as the foundation of their depictions.
::> Escargon and Sabrblade make some good points regarding subpages, particularly with the example of the standard '''“Primus = God”''' and '''Rung (G1)''' incarnations. Rung is a distinct and unique take on the Primus character whose backstory is incompatible with virtually every other Primus incarnation, so placing him on the same page as the Primus of the Marvel Comics, or Cybertron, or the Aligned continuity, wouldn’t seem right.
::> ''The Covenant of Primus'' has been the foundation of every depiction of the Thirteen since it was released. Certain things might be modified, such as the 2005 IDW’s take on them, but even those Primes still follow certain story beats: Megatronus kills Solus, Liege Maximo is a manipulator, Prima’s role as the leader and his conflict with Megatronus, etc. ''One'' offers a depiction of the Thirteen who don’t enter a War of the Primes situation, but because we don’t really get any more information about them besides how they died, I wouldn’t say that they’re distinct enough or important enough to warrant their own pages.
::> Then there’s the fact that a lot of the Primes either have had very small roles or haven’t had any real importance to the franchise in several years: '''Micronus'''’s last big role was a few episodes in ''Robots in Disguise'' and a clever tie-in to the Microspace of the 2005 IDW universe. '''Onyx'''’s only big role was in the ''Covenant'', mostly thanks to '''[[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|this guy]]''' taking his place in another universe. Onyx has a few mentions in ''Cyberverse'', but I don’t think that alone should be the reason for splitting his page up. '''Nexus Prime''' and '''Vector Prime''' haven’t really done anything notable since the Shroud. '''Solus Prime''' has seen some prominence thanks to IDW's Caminus and ''Power of the Primes'', but those depictions again don’t stray too far from the ''Covenant''. '''Amalgamous Prime''' has had virtually no exploration as a character. The most we’ve gotten for him is a much easier-to-look-at design in ''One''.
::> Character-wise, story-wise… they’re all still heavily based on the ''Covenant''. Even '''Quintus Prime'''’s ''Earthspark'' depiction (with his more human-looking face) is based on his “Johnny Appleseed, made the Quintessons” lore established from the ''Covenant''. Now if we had a full group of the Thirteen from a Shattered Glass universe or had some “What-If?” incarnations of the characters that made them very different… splitting pages would make more sense to me.
::> A lot of the Thirteen have also maintained a consistent visual look to them since their introduction: all the Primes introduced in the Covenant have kept their look (Alchemist’s Lenses, Onyx’s face, Solus’ hair and color scheme), and every version of Megatronus seems to have a Decepticon insignia face, flames, and/or both. While ''One'' may have changed some color schemes (Liege Maximo missing his green), I don’t think just having a different color scheme and nothing else different warrants a new page.
::> I like the idea of conceptual history sections for now, and as I said on ''The Fallen''’s talk page, I think the beginning to his page needs a general rewrite from its “frozen in 2009” version. But until drastic new interpretations of those characters are created, if a member of the Thirteen has a single page… we should keep it as a single page --[[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 16:33, 7 December 2024 (EST)
: Splitting them would simply be a bigger headache. They're rather like Primus and Unicron where they're "bigger picture" characters (only this time around designed ''very specifically'' to '''''be''''' as such) and it's best to treat them as such, and really, there's not enough material to BOTHER splitting for most of them. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Since it's related to this subject, it should probably also be mentioned here that there have recently been two discussions happening on the talk page for [[The Fallen]]. One about changing that article's mainpic and the other about moving the page's name to Megatronus. As of now, nothing has come out of either discussion, but I feel the results of this a bigger discussion may have an effect on either of those two smaller ones. Speaking as one who is in favor of not splitting out the Thirteen, my thoughts on these two smaller topics are that a good compromise would be to keep the article at its current name since many Megatronuses still become The Fallen, but replace the mainpic with The Fallen's Age of the Primes toy packaging art (as it depicts him in his original first body from Dreamwave but armed with his now-signature weapons from Aligned media, serving as a sort of visual overview for the character's history), along with a rewrite of his intro at the top of the page to be more all-encompassing, and the inclusion of a new "Conceptual history" section to give a proper overview of his different depictions. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm going to second this. I've mulled it over a little bit and while there is an argument to be made for splitting them out, I feel that 12 of the 13 primes really don't warrant it. They just haven't had as much an impact on the story and while it could be future proofing to split them, until we get prominent appearances from them I don't think it's a viable option right now. Megatronus is clearly the exception to this rule. I don't know if there's a clean solution to dealing with him at the moment. Part of me thinks maybe we should suite out the Movie and RiD versions since those are his too big appearences to date. At the bare minimum though I think we should use either his Dreamwave or Age of Primes art as the mainpic. It's his first body and I think it's influenced more designs than his RoTF design has. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 22:57, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::Erm, no. Neither his Movie or RiD sections (certainly not the latter) are big enough to warrant subpages for either. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:57, 8 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm also of the opinion that a split would be a massive hassle for very little gain, but I do feel we should move The Fallen to Megatronus. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:54, 8 December 2024 (EST)
::::To me, renaming the page to Megatronus feels like renaming an Optimus Prime page to Orion Pax. The name was created to tell us what he was called ''before'' he became The Fallen, like how Orion Pax was what Optimus was called before he became Optimus Prime. TF One Megatronus never became The Fallen but he's an anomaly, not a new standard. As of now, the only impact TF One Megatronus has had on the brand is the official reveal video for Age of the Primes describing the very Dreamwave/Aligned-based AOTP version as "the most powerful Prime," while also putting a grim, pronounced emphasis on "The Fallen" when referring to him as "Megatronus... The Fallen". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:16, 8 December 2024 (EST)
::::: '''Yes''' to changing The Fallen's mainpic back to the DW-style character design, huge-ass '''No''' to changing the page name; the Optimus/Orion comparison is spot-on. (And as to below... yes. The Thirteen are absolutely "set dressing that walks like a man" and best to approach them as such.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:11, 8 December 2024 (EST)

:After meditating upon this a while I think I've come to agree with the broad majority above that splitting each member of the Thirteen would hurt more than it would help. The way I see it what we should be striving for here is the approach that involves the least "hallucinating data" within our organizational system, and splitting will require making a lot of different calls on what "counts" to formulate micro-characterizations for dozens of serial continuity transplants, none of which do much individually, while obfuscating the larger context they are gesturing towards. Fundamentally what we may be running up against here is that the closest most of these guys have to a true "home continuity" as we typically think of it is... the brand bible. They are set dressing that walks like a man.

:To go one step further, if we want to talk future-proofing I would advocate formalizing the approach of treating them as a squad of mini-Unicrons/Primuses such that:

::1) My suggestion for the issues currently plaguing the Fallen (and to a lesser degree Trion) would be to make "Conceptual History" sections more or less standard issue across the board for the Thirteen, laying out swerves in characterization and appearance as they happened rather than trying to pry them apart ''or'' smoosh them together.

::2) I think it's worth revisiting merging Alpha Trion for consistency. In the decade+ since Prime cludged him into the lineup, Alpha Trion has consistently appeared as a member of the Thirteen, an insubstantial cameo, or both in pretty much every continuity he's appeared, and looking backwards I cannot help but notice that the fact that there's next to no meaningful daylight between his depictions has been the running gag of his [[Alpha Trion|disambiguation page]] since day one. If Shattered Glass remains a sticking point the Unicron/Primus style suite split approach is a reasonable compromise.

:I wouldn't say I'm married to any of this and counter-counter-proposals are welcome, but that's my two cents. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:08, 8 December 2024 (EST)
:I think just put a line at the end of the fallens intro article that says "while mostly a bad guy, there exists at least one universe (link to TF one section) where he's managed to defy all logic and be...good for once).[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:53, 8 December 2024 (EST)

I'm for splitting the Thirteen, for the same reasons Saix gave. If that doesn't work, I think the versions of Alpha Trion should be merged. It's the inconsistency that drives me batty. [[User:Boingus|--Boingus]] ([[User talk:Boingus|talk]]) 22:12, 8 December 2024 (EST)

===Checkpoint? (01/18/2025)===
This topic seems to have gotten as much interaction as it's going to get, so to take stock before it falls off the agenda completely:

:*'''Votes for splitting the Thirteen across the board:''' 4 (Locoman, Saix, BlueJayWarrior, Boingus)
:*'''Votes against:''' 8 (Escargon, Sabrblade, Wadapan, Daytonjhammon, M Sipher, Exim93, Dark T Zeratul, AzimuthAcolyte)

That seems like a pretty resounding 2:1 "no," but the discussion also generated some possible compromises/suggestions for future-proofing:

:*'''Votes for more widespread use of "Conceptual History" sections:''' 3 (Sabrblade, Daytonjhammon, AzimuthAcolyte)
:*'''Votes to merge Alpha Trion (with potential SG suite) for consistency:''' 3 (Sabrblade, AzimuthAcolyte, Boingus)

Lastly it generated some cross-bleed from the debates on [[Talk:The Fallen|The Fallen's talk page]] about some updates now that we're 16 years out from his [[live-action film series]] star turn:

1) Moving the page to "Megatronus":
:*'''For:''' 1 (Dark T Zeratul)
:*'''Against:''' 2 (Sabrblade, M Sipher)

2) Swapping back to a Dreamwave-style mainpic:
:*'''For:''' 3 (Sabrblade, Ezim93, M Sipher)

If anyone wants to try to resuscitate the mega-split speak now. If not, thoughts on the compromise proposals?

The Fallen discussion should probably return to his own page. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:33, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:My stances remain unchanged on all of the above. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:55, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::I'd be fine with splitting, but if we don't, we ''absolutely'' need to merge the Alpha Trions. There's no good justification for the others being together and him being split.
::As for the Fallen... I feel the need to point out that it's not ''just'' One Megatronus that didn't use the name. EVERY toyline and piece of media in the last decade — RID15, the Prime Wars cartoons, the POTP toy, the offhand mentions in Cyberverse — have used "Megatronus", completely dropping the idea that he stopped being Megatronus and became the Fallen. It's evidently how Hasbro thinks of the character; the Studio Series toy provides plenty of evidence that they ''could'' have just called the AOTP toy "The Fallen" if they'd wanted to. -[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 15:51, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::I am also pro-merging Alpha Trions with a SG subpage along the lines of what we do for Primus and Unicron. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:11, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::::I disagree that we need to put SG Trion on a separate page. Just have his Shattered Glass section open with "In the mirror universe of Shattered Glass, Alpha Trion was..." --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:58, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::::I'm pro merging Alpha Trion as well and adding conceptual history. Fallen/Megatronus discussion I'm good with taking back to his page. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 16:20, 18 January 2025 (EST)

:Here's my 5 cents. We are under no obligation to be consistent with how we treat the members of the Thirteen. If it makes sense for the characters, we can have Alpha Trions on separate pages because he has a long rich history of appearances in wide and varied media, including media in which he is not a member of the Thirteen, and we can also have Amalgamous Prime on one page because he doesn't. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:48, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::I'm in agreement with this. "Consistency" is nice until it isn't, and merging Alpha's pages... isn't. I feel like that's just gonna result in a clusterfuck. "Conceptual history" is fine to add, but frankly I feel like only like... maybe only a third of the 13 would even ''need'' it. There's really not a lot to most of these. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:07, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::I'm curious what would be the negative result of merging Alpha Trion's pages. The thing is that they ''are'' basically all identical barring the Shattered Glass version, and even that one is functionally the same guy, just evil. RID01, Energon, Animated and ROTF Alpha Trion are all footnotes, which just leaves us with G1 Trion (sometimes of the Thirteen), Aligned Trion (of the Thirteen), Cyberverse Trion (of the Thirteen) and One Trion (of the Thirteen). Is there some complicating factor that I'm missing...? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:38, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::: Honestly, I think this just sold me on the idea of merging all the Alpha Trion pages, including the Shattered Glass version, into one page. A Conceptual History section could explain his development from sage to member of the Thirteen, with a paragraph about his Shattered Glass version. [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 00:02, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:::::As I stated above, I used to be firmly against the idea of the Alpha Trions being merged, because of the facts that he wasn't originally supposed to be one of the Thirteen (a ship that has long since sailed), he was never a singularity like the other 13ers were (which no longer matters at all now since that concept was done away with), and he has a Shattered Glass version (but so too do Primus and Unicron, now, and their pages have set a good workable precedent for how to deal with SG versions of "set dressing characters" like them and the Thirteen). But now, as time goes on, the more it begins to feel like we're just keeping the Alpha Trions separate for more pedantic reasons than are necessary, especially since the AOTP toyline looks to be drawing influence from all continuities for its specific roster of the Thirteen, as if to say that the AOTP toys of the Thirteen represent *all* versions of the Thirteen (meaning AOTP Alpha Trion will represent *all* Alpha Trions).
:::::Sipher mentioned that conceptual history sections would only benefit a small number of the Thirteen, and, well, yes, that is a true statement. But the idea wouldn't be to give ''all'' of the Thirteen conceptual history sections, just the few that would need it. And a merged. But there being only a few that would need it no less diminishes the need of those few.
:::::However, I definitely draw the line at putting SG characters on the same webpages as their non-SG counterparts, as I go back to [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3Fthe original discussion about that very subject] and all the reasons given there (particularly from Steve-o, whom I already quoted above) for why SG characters should '''not''' share a webpage with their non-SG counterparts. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:47, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::::I feel like "they're all basically the same" is a charge that can be leveled at a lot of characters who are present in multiple continuity families. I'm all in favour of keeping non-entities to one page each, but Alpha Trion meets the threshold for actually having enough detail to have separate articles. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:32, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:My votes: No to splitting the 13 articles, yes for conceptual history, no to merging Trion (maybe expanding his disambig a la Sideways'?), no to moving the Fallen, maybe to changing his mainpic (compare to UT or Aligned characteers with major body changes - UT generally sticks with the Armada bodies, but Aligned favours Prime bodies over WFC). [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 18:01, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:I also think that it wouldn´t be appropriate to separate the pages of the thirteen and that the articles about Alpha Trion should be merged, after he become one of the 13 he has been mostly the same across all media. --[[User:MikeOsix|MikeOsix]] ([[User_talk:MikeOsix|talk]]) 20:57, 18 January 2024 (EST)
My vote is that we should keep Prime pages *mostly* non-split- I do, however, think there is merit to a "Conceptual History" part, going over different variations of the characters over the Years. I originally wanted Alpha's pages to be kept apart- but after some talking, I figure it's best for him to also enjoy a conceptual history rather than a disambiguation page. (I still love Disambiguation pages though.)
On The Fallen's page getting a Dreamwave-style picture: I give it a hard thumbs up. That seems to be the design Hasbro is sticking with compared to the skeleton-furnace guy from the movies. -- [[User:OptiMay Primal|OptiMay Primal]] ([[User talk: BattleBlade|talk]]) 21:54, 18 January 2024 (PST)
:I cannot see any benefit to smushing all of the Alpha Trion articles together. Every time this happens, we get a lengthy, unfocused mess of a page that wards off attempts at maintenance because it's so large. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:16, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::I'm personally against merging all the Trions, but I could be convinced if someone sandboxes a merged page first as a proof of concept. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:59, 24 January 2025 (EST)
At Cyberlink's suggestion, I've slapped together a rough prototype of a merged Alpha Trion suite broadly mirroring the Fallen's setup that can be seen–
:*'''[[Alpha Trion|HERE]]'''
Intro etc not final, of course. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 16:27, 24 January 2025 (EST)
:I like this. It's no longer or less focused than [[Unicron]], for example. I'm still kind of dubious about the need to exclude Shattered Glass versions from these cross-continuity characters, but at least SG Trion is more substantial than SG Unicron. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:31, 24 January 2025 (EST)
:Posting to confirm I'm in favor of this. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 12:49, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Yeah I like it too, when so many of his incarnations are so similar the unified article feels more user friendly [[User:LenaPrime|LenaPrime]] ([[User talk:LenaPrime|talk]]) 12:57, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Adding that I think this works pretty well. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 18:42, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Thought I'd stick my two cents in. I think this would work. If Unicron can have a merged page like this, then it should certainly work for Trion. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 23:44, 25 January 2025 (EST)
I've also started working on prototypes of rewrites / updates to Prima and The Fallen's pages, which can be seen...
:*'''[[User:Daytonjhammon/Sandbox/Prima|HERE for Prima]]''' and '''[[User:Daytonjhammon/Sandbox/The Fallen|HERE for The Fallen]]'''.
Discussion for The Fallen should probably stay on his [[Talk:The Fallen|own talk page]], but I'm linking them here since both have "conceptual history" sections I've drafted up. [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 13:50, 26 January 2025 (EST)

===Checkpoint 2 (05/05/2025)===
This definitely fell way off the agenda but there was sufficient interest that I believe it is worth circling back. Following Dayton's excellent work on Prima and the Fallen's Conceptual History section going live, the final point of order remains the prospect of merging Alpha Trion (with SG suite) to reflect his Aligned-forward characterization and bring him in line with the other 12 + 2 (Thirteen, Primus, Unicron) "man-shaped set dressing" characters.

Again, a full mock-up of this concept can be seen-

:*'''[[Alpha Trion|HERE]]'''

The current tally stands at:

:*'''Votes for merging Alpha Trion into one cross-continuity article with SG sub-page:''' 12 (Sabrblade, AzimuthAcolyte, Boingus, Broadside, Escargon, Ezim93, Daytonjhammon, MikeOsix, OptiMay Primal, LenaPrime, IGEBM13, Hilfam)
:*'''Votes against:''' 5 (abates, M Sipher, BattleBlade, Saix, Cyberlink420)

That's overwhelming support a ways past 2:1. Does anyone care to answer a last call for comment?

Suggestions or concerns for the prototype are particularly welcome. For my part I would appreciate assistance drafting a Conceptual History section. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:18, 5 May 2025 (EDT)
: Chipping in to reiterate that I'm in favour, though I'm unconvinced that the SG subpage is necessary. I do recognise that it's in line with how we currently treat Unicron, but like... is there anything we gain from having it be a separate page that we couldn't get from just putting "in one mirror universe, alpha trion was a real sicko!" at the top of the section? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (EDT)
::On principle alone, I'm against putting SG characters on the same pages as their non-SG counterparts, no matter what. The day we make such allowance for just one of them is the day we open the floodgates for potentially doing that for any and all SG characters. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:54, 6 May 2025 (EDT)
:::The (SG) system is simple. What exactly does messing with it accomplish? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:28, 8 May 2025 (EDT)
::::See, my understanding was not that SG characters are "special exceptions", it's that we treat Shattered Glass as its own continuity family (and likewise SG Animated, et al). It's not "messing with" the system to put the SG version of a character on a cross-continuity family page for that character. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:53, 13 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::It's messing with what Thylacine mentions for the sake of insisting on making categorization exceptions for the Thirteen. It's not useful to either editor or reader, especially if we're going to do the pointless lateral move that is "/Shattered Glass" anyway. (SG) is straightforward and easy to parse as opposed to "here's the explicitly negative AU guy buried here because arbitrary wiki reasons". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:42, 13 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Looks like it doesn't matter anymore, but the difference between SG and non-SG material - the whole fact that SG exists to be an irreconcilable opposite to G1 - is more fundamental and important than the sum total of all appearances and history of at least 10 of the 13. We should not be wiping away important conceptual distinctions for the sake of unimportant asterisk characters who basically only ever existed in a list. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:59, 13 May 2025 (EDT)

== International Sightings ==

So, as of late, mentions of "toy appeared in (non-US country) without prior announcement" type lines have been getting purged from the wiki. This makes me wonder: am I allowed to even mention them anymore when a new toy appears somewhere? I'm not really sure why these relatively harmless information lines are getting removed, nor am I really a fan of it, but if I can't mention them anymore I will happily oblige.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:04, 7 January 2025 (EST)
:They're being removed because "toy first showed up at a random store in Asia" is not useful information. That's how toy retail has worked for decades. Hasbro deigning to announce some product doesn't make it the standard. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:57, 7 January 2025 (EST)
::Oh, ok, I'll keep that in mind from now on.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 23:11, 7 January 2025 (EST)

==First revealed at (some regular online update)==
On a similar note to the international sightings, what do people think of "toy was first revealed in Hasbro Instagram post / Fans First Friday / Pulse livestream of whatever date," etc.? We note this constantly, because it's another fact to include about a just-announced toy nobody owns yet. A year later it looks unimportant. Is this something we like and value, or more of a space-filing habit? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:34, 8 January 2025 (EST)
:I think it's a lot of blather, but at least it's documenting Hasbro marketing as opposed to random retail appearances. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:25, 8 January 2025 (EST)
: I'm lukewarm at best on 'em. But often these announcements are followed up almost immediately by pre-orders opening up through official channels, and that feels a bit more... noteworthy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 12:31, 8 January 2025 (EST)
: Seems pretty relevant to me! There's value in preserving a toy's history, after all. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 10:14, 6 April 2025 (EDT))

==Update Navigation==
Should the Navigation sidebar be changed to replace [[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]] with [[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]] or should we wait a bit?--[[User:CyclonustheWarrior|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior|talk]]) 20:49, 2 February 2025 (EST)
:Good question. I think we could change it now since almost all of wave 1 is out at retail over in Asia, but I’ll wait for someone higher than me to make the final decision lol - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 23:10, 5 February 2025 (EST)

==Adding a "Transformers in [Country name]" section to country articles==
So, by some weird coincidence, a lot of my edits in these past months have involved expanding on the quirks of how individual aspects of the Transformers brand were represented in countries like [[Brazil]], [[Argentina]], [[Greece]], and [[Portugal]] - however; something that I've noticed is that there's usually no comprehensive summary of this information in the actual pages we have for those countries, with most or all of it being restricted to the individual articles regarding those things instead (for instance; Argentina had a whole three companies that produced Transformers toys with [[Antex]], [[Comando Toys]], and [[Lynsa]], but none of them are even mentioned in Argentina's page!). As such, and in the spirit of making our wiki more international, I propose that we add a small section to every country page specifically regarding the presence of the Transformers brand within it.

Some information that could go into these sections, if available (naturally, not ''everything'' here needs to be mentioned):
* When Transformers media first premiered in the country
* When Transformers toys first released in the country
* Previous releases of [[pre-Transformers]] in the country, if any (e.g.; Italy's ''Trasformer'', the UK's ''Convertors'', Finland's ''Diaclone'', etc.)
* Brands that might have made toys or merchandise for Transformers in the country, if any (e.g.; [[Estrela]] in Brazil, [[IGA]] in Mexico, [[GiG]] in Italy, [[El Greco]] in Greece, etc.)
* Notable figures, variants, and/or entire toylines that are exclusive to the country, if any (obviously, a fully comprehensive list would be difficult for a country like Japan, but it seems feasible for others here.)
* Transformers media that's unique to the country, if any (again; it would be hard to form a comprehensive list for Japan or the US, but it might not be too difficult elsewhere.)
* Peculiar quirks and factoids regarding the distribution of Transformers toys in the country, if any (e.g.; Galaxy Shuttle releasing in Italy, Star Saber releasing in Portugal, Spain's translated G1 blister cards, [[Sonokong]]'s many odd releases of Transformers toys in South Korea, etc.)
* Transformers-connected artists that were born in the country (e.g.; Brazil's [[Marcelo Matere]], Spain's [[José Avilés]], etc.)
* Perhaps some notable aspects of the fandom in the country (e.g., fan organizations, conventions - whether they're [[Convention|official]] or [[Unofficial conventions|unofficial]] - etc.)

Editing these sections could also make for a pretty fun multinational effort: certainly, Transformers fans from all over the world have pretty unique knowledge about the brand in their regions that's undocumented until now, and it would be pretty cool for them to visit the pages for their respective countries and see a section that basically invites them to add that knowledge. If this idea seems acceptable then I would be happy to move ahead with introducing the section to some of the countries that I'm most familiar with (mostly in Europe and Latin America) - let me know what everyone else thinks! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 10:07, 6 April 2025 (EDT))
:I like this idea! I think it’ll be really helpful for both readers and the site’s general organization to have information about international Transformers products and media on their respective countries’ pages. I’m not too well-versed in the foreign aspects of the brand outside of Japan, but I do know one piece of information we can add to Russia’s page is that ''Masterforce'' was the first show to air there :D - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 10:47, 6 April 2025 (EDT)
::I had no idea about that, how interesting! Hopefully more people can give the go-ahead to this. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:04, 6 April 2025 (EDT))
:::This strikes me as a proposal with a lot potential if we can get enough manpower behind it. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 17:00, 6 April 2025 (EDT)
:I've made versions of this proposed section for the Portugal, Spain, and Brazil pages, and posted them on [[User:FortressMaxxing/Sandbox|my sandbox]]. Any thoughts would be welcome! Also, shouldn't we maybe add the country flags to their respective pages? The Wikipedia SVGs are on public domain, so I guess we could just import those. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:43, 7 April 2025 (EDT))
::I like the way these early write-ups look, it could prove very interesting. Though we should only add the country flags if they appeared in fiction, as we do with the [[Soviet Union]] or [[United States of America]]. Otherwise it's just not important. Every country has a flag, you don't need to come ''here'' to look at them or find out their capital cities, populations, national birds, etc. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:01, 7 April 2025 (EDT)
:::I mean, if we're also to discuss the "meta" details of Transformers in the country - meaning that the pages are no longer restricted to just fiction - then I think it makes sense to at least have a country flag up on the opening paragraph, no? I'm not saying we need to add an Wikipedia-like infobox with the capital and population count and whatever else, but if we also have stuff like logos for companies in their respective pages then it makes sense to at least have what's basically the largest and most important international identifier that a country has attached to a page about it. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:29, 7 April 2025 (EDT))
:Given how there seem to be no objections to this project, I hope that it's fine to begin adding these sections to their respective pages during this weekend. I have added entries for Argentina, Italy, and Greece [[User:FortressMaxxing/Sandbox|to my sandbox]], so, together with the other three I previously shared; that will be six "The Transformers franchise in X country" sections coming from me - hopefully others will also be interested in adding similar sections to the pages of whatever countries they're most familiar with! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 18:37, 11 April 2025 (EDT))
::I think the names could be simplified to "Transformers in X". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:51, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:::That was actually close to the previous name I had in this topic ("The Transformers in X") before renaming it because I thought it could be a little ambiguous, haha - but actually, I think you're right, "Transformers in Brazil" / "Transformers in Greece" / etc. does sound better and I guess all the ambiguities are kinda cleared up in context of the contents of the sections themselves! "Transformers in X" it shall be then, I've now again renamed this topic accordingly. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 20:06, 11 April 2025 (EDT))
::::Yeah, it could be an ambiguous statement by itself, but we're not making "Transformers in Brazil" for all the fictional times Transformers characters appeared in Brazil because that's already covered by [[Brazil]] itself. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:29, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:Ayo, I posted the first batch of "Transformers in X" sections a few days ago in the [[Portugal]], [[Spain]], [[Italy]], [[Greece]], [[Brazil]], and [[Argentina]] pages! There are still way more countries that need a similar level of development and since I won't be able to do all of them alone, I wanted to highlight at least the most important ones in the hopes that maybe other users will have an interest in working on them. So, here are '''the pages that most urgently need a "Transformers in X" section''' (plus '''some of the things they should mention'''):

* [[Japan]], obviously: The birth of the transforming robot as a Japanese cultural product (see [[Yonezawa Toys|Yonezawa]] and some of the later transforming robot toys leading up to Takara's Cosmo Countach and eventually the Diaclone Car Robots), the country's transition from Diaclone to Transformers, the introduction of the original show to Japan, a brief mention of the original media and toylines that were only released there, an assessment of the popularity of the franchise in Japan relative to other 'giant robot'-centric media like Gundam and NGE (Also, I've noticed that there is already a small "non-fiction" section that briefly touches on the importance of Japan to the Transformers: it could be used as a starting basis, and I guess that it also suggests someone already had the idea for a similar wiki-project!)
* The [[United States of America|United States]], also quite obviously: Brief summarization of the birth and sustained popularity of the Transformers brand in America, the most prominent retail exclusives that were only launched in U.S. stores, BotCon and all the other big fan conventions
<s>* [[United Kingdom]]: Received a pair of pre-Transformers toylines with the Grandstand Convertors and Tandy's Galactic Man, the UK Marvel Transformers comic, large conventions like TFNation and TFUKcon</s> '''(Done!)'''
* [[France]]: Received a pre-Transformers toyline with [[Joustra|Ceji / Joustra]] releasing Diaclone, Orli Jouet's Robotrack, later Joustra-made G1 Transformers toys, original cartoon had a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itPo0Q9zmrc|a pretty funky unique theme song], major national toy company [[Majorette]] would briefly become a Transformers licensee in the 2000s
* [[Finland]]: Received a pre-Transformers toyline with Takara directly releasing Diaclone, "black Tracks" was unique to it (and later homaged with [[Loudpedal]])
* [[China]]: Hasbro factories, the Chinese G1 reissue toyline, the commercial success of Age of Extinction and how it brought about a sharp rise in the popularity of Transformers across the country, [[Nezha: Transformers (franchise)|Nezha]]
* [[South Korea]]: The unusual line-ups of [[Young Toys]] and [[Sonokong]], the mystery of [[ToonTown]]
* [[Mexico]]: [[IGA]] and their unique variants of G1 figures
* [[Venezuela]] (which somehow doesn't exist yet despite [[Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 17|already having an in-fiction mention]]?): [[Rubiplas]] made some unique Mini-Vehicles
<s>* [[Peru]]: [[Lynsa]] released multiple unique Mini-Vehicles in both countries, Museo Transformers</s> '''(Done!)'''
* [[Chile]]: Also received [[Lynsa]] Mini-Vehicles
* [[Vietnam]]: Major manufacturing hub for Transformers toys '''(Work in progress)'''
* [[Germany]]: GAMA's "Trans Robot" (pre-Transformers Omega Supreme), had the biggest Transformers convention in continental Europe until it dissolved not too long ago

:On an unrelated note, check out these fancy new GoBoxes down below! If anyone wants to do more in this style (quirky collage of country flag, plus national iconography, plus a Transformer toy that's emblematic of that specific country in some way) then that'd be pretty sweet! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 17:47, 16 April 2025 (EDT))
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::Hey, I noticed that a lot of your claims aren't really sourced, it would be nice if you could cite your sources for us. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 08:01, 21 April 2025 (EDT)
:::For sure! A lot of what's been added to these pages isn't cited because it is already discussed at greater length in their respective articles (and usually cited in said articles) - nonetheless; I will go ahead and add a more extensive round of sources soon. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 12:54, 21 April 2025 (EDT))
:::: Great! Remember to post about that here when it happens. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 13:45, 21 April 2025 (EDT)
::::: All done, I've provided as many citations for whatever information's more obscure or not as well-documented in the English web as I could! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 16:21, 21 April 2025 (EDT))
:::::: Thank you! I appreciate it, though I have noticed that your source about Portuguese people seeing Star Convoy on retail is only available to members of the Facebook group. I understand that information for things like this is hard to come by so if can't change it it's alright but it would be great if you could list a publicly available source instead. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 08:58, 22 April 2025 (EDT)
::::::: Oops, I didn't realize that Transformers Portugal was private on Facebook - but let this not be a problem, because I've just added a translated screenshot to that citation instead! Although I must also add that, unfortunately, I don't know how to really cite the later portion of that trivia - that Star Convoy is also really common on the Portuguese secondary market - because this is basically the product of my own personal experience of living in Portugal and seeing at least four loose Star Convoys on the Portuguese secondary market in the past couple of years across various occasions, all of them being the original version with the white trailer rather than the later reissue (thus suggesting that they come from the aforementioned retail distribution), and all of them being sold for really cheap prices rounding just ~20-40 euros from people who clearly did not know about this being an unusual toy (I got one myself one circa ~2022!). It's just that I frankly didn't know how to cite this in the page (Would "[[User:FortressMaxxing|This editor]] can attest to seeing an inordinate amount of Portuguese Star Convoy copies on the secondary market" be too anecdotal of a reference to have?), so... There's that. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 13:04, 22 April 2025 (EDT))
:::::::: Don't worry, the fist citation should be enough, now's the time to move on to the rest of the countries. I'm a bit busy at the moment but I might be able to take on the UK write up. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 13:53, 22 April 2025 (EDT)
::::::::: Sweet, I'll be excited to see what you write up! Tell us here when you do :) ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 13:58, 22 April 2025 (EDT))
:I made a first draft of the UK write-up at my sandbox [[User:Wildstrike/Sandbox/United_Kingdom|here]]. It is not at all done I'm passing this through the people to make sure I didn't get anything wrong, and to hear out any suggestions. Also I didn't mention the Tandy's Galactic Man figure because it doesn't seem to be exclusive to to the UK. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 11:14, 26 April 2025 (EDT)
::Hey, it's good, short but very well-cited! I do think Galactic Man merits at least a brief one-line mention since apparently the UK was the only other territory beyond the U.S. where it was released in (and also the UK Galactic Man might be slightly different, per how the pre-TF page describes him as [[Pre-Transformers#Pre-Transformers lines|"''almost'' identical"]]?), but otherwise, I have no disagreement with the information presented here. Very curious to see how you're gonna expand on that draft! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 18:46, 27 April 2025 (EDT))
:::Okay, I did a bit of research and according to the [https://astromagnum.blogspot.com/2024/04/galactic-man-tandy-radio-shack-shackwave.html Astro Magnum] blog the Tandy version of Galactic Man has slightly different packaging, different stickers, and is made of materials more resistant to the yellowing prevalent in the Radio Shack versions of the toy. I'll be sure to edit the draft when I have time. Also, I found about an [https://batterseapowerstation.co.uk/retailers/transformers/ official transformers store] at the Battersea power station which I plan on incorporating at some point. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 11:49, 28 April 2025 (EDT)
:Ooohh, here's a pretty cool thing that I found out which definitely should be added to the Peru page: there's a mall [https://www.facebook.com/MuseoTF with a Transformers toy museum within it], and apparently it's been in operation since 2020! It even features a display specifically for [https://scontent.flis9-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/483676983_1040341464571272_305592738604936521_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=OsCqdAxWZTQQ7kNvwGe1-WQ&_nc_oc=Adn6enKyI9P6hsp1VO2t492l7iu8t1CtWQCm3bbMYXOemGAOpKTj-0fB96Co-Jhqnm4&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.flis9-1.fna&_nc_gid=0aKRlr6ClLSdhzhjlFM8cA&oh=00_AfFq1ClChLr67ItyZAhHBe0MPRKxcrRFUfQLY48v0THRPA&oe=68149CCC Transformers stuff made in Peru], which I think would be a great photographic addition to the article :) ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 20:36, 27 April 2025 (EDT))

:I've finally expanded my write-up (link [[User:Wildstrike/Sandbox/United_Kingdom|here]]), and would like to receive comment on it if possible. As for the ''Transformers'' store I mentioned above, I'm not quite sure how to incorporate it into the rest of the article and am debating just leaving it in the notes section. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 12:06, 30 May 2025 (EDT)
::Hey, sorry for taking so long to review it but it's good! I think the Transformers store can be added as its own small (even if one-line) paragraph in the section, no need to throw it all the way down to notes when it's a definitely pretty relevant to the history of Transformers in the UK. Regardless, I'd say it's time to go live with that section! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 00:24, 12 June 2025 (EDT))
:::It's finally live baby! As you may have noticed, I decided to expand the section a little bit more and mention some of the other British people that have worked on Transformers over the years as well as [[BotCon Europe 1999]], I hope you're happy with all the changes. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 15:05, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:Per recent edits, I'm scratching out the UK and Peru pages off the list, as they now also have proper "Transformers in [Country]" sections (great job on the UK one by the way, it's pretty extensive and rich in information and I feel like I learned quite a few new things with it!). I also added Germany and Vietnam to the list, so if any TF fans from those nationalities are around to see this some help in filling those out wold be greatly appreciated! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 08:22, 18 June 2025 (EDT))

== Size of this page ==

Could someone archive the last year on this page? It's getting ridiculously long and is hard to scroll through. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 19:48, 15 April 2025 (EDT)
:Done. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:25, 15 April 2025 (EDT)

== ToonTown / Korean Transformers that might or might not be bootlegs ==
Hey, so... What do we do about [https://x.com/tfwiki/status/1036114311142363136?lang=ar this], and [https://lmb3.net/2024/12/29/blog-2500-toy-review-transformers-korean-modified-optimus-prime/ this], and [https://tformers.com/daily-prime-korean-generation-2-optimus-prime-gold-watch/43599/news.html this], and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYJ8Nev7DGo this]? It basically seems like there's a massive ambiguity as to whether or not these toys are bootlegs, and while at least one of them (see the recently-edited "Globo" section on the [[knockoff]] page) has distinct bootleg origins, it's also worth remembering that there is [[Radio AM Robot|at least one known case of a bootleg being later rebranded into an official Transformers toy]], so... Maybe this is not much of an indicator?

In the replies to that first tweet, there's a person who says that "[https://x.com/tfwiki/status/1036114311142363136/ Hasbro's legal stance is that if it has their copyright on the box, it is an official product. This is what they've told me in the past when inquiring about other products]". Assuming that this is the case, and given that all of these have a Hasbro copyright on their packaging despite how genuinely weird they are, should we add them to their respective character pages, as well as maybe creating a separate page for ToonTown as a Transformers-associated company? The [[Soundwave (G1)/merchandise#Transformers Gum|Soundwave]] and [[Starscream (G1)/merchandise#Transformers Gum|Starscream]] ''Transformers Gum'' tabs already mention their ToonTown releases, so it seems like it kind of follows to add the others, no? I've left them a mention on the knockoff page as of now, but it would be good to get a final decision as to where exactly they should stay on this wiki. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 21:58, 19 April 2025 (EDT))
:Decades ago, [[Raksha]] wrote that the Toon Town stuff had been released in both South Korea and Taiwan (https://web.archive.org/web/20080917123934fw_/http://www.plumed-serpent.com/swartifacts.html). Added to what you wrote above, I believe that is the sum of all the knowledge we have on the issue, so it would be hard to write an article about it. I agree that since we have the Soundwave and Starscream stuff, the other confirmed releases are fair game to include too. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:18, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
::Here's another one, this time not saying Toon Town, still showing the "real" logos and symbols, and said by its owner to be a knockoff: https://toy-wizards.com/2019/03/16/super-rare-korean-transformers-toys-at-tf-con-and-the-conspiracy-theory-behind-them/?amp I'm really drawing a blank on Toon Town and it is possible we will never get enough verified info to be worth an article here. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:53, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::One more source for now: http://fredsworkshop.com/vkorea.html --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:57, 7 May 2025 (EDT)

::::Argh, another, and with even more links at the bottom, and were no closer to a conclusive truth. http://fredsworkshop.com/vkorea5.html --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:05, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::For what it's worth, I think it'd be good to have a page laying out the ambiguity of the matter, explaining what we know and how hard to verify it all is. Sorta like the [[unknown Generation 1 animation studios]]. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 19:35, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::: Yeah, I'd agree with this. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:45, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
::::::: Seconding this, it seems like we have more than enough to at least create an article about this weird company that explains the ambiguity. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 01:15, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:Alright, as per the above discussion, the [[ToonTown]] article is now up! I didn't go over every source mentioned here yet and therefore still haven't added every ToonTown-branded figure to it (and neither to the character pages, the currently existing wikilinks just to go their broader toy sections for now), but hopefully this is a good start. Would love to see your contributions to this page, if you have any to give! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:09, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::Update, the remaining ToonTown toys and merchandise that I could find has also been added. Turn out to be a shorter affair than expected! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:53, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:::Thank you for setting this up so quickly! I am doing my best to state very clearly that these might or might not be legit, that if they're knockoffs they aren't like your typical ones... The last thing I'd ever want would be for this wiki to give people the sense that fake stuff was real, but we can present the nebulous case and leave it to readers to judge. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:58, 8 May 2025 (EDT)
::::All good! This is just such an interesting case that it does really feel like it needs to be in the wiki insofar as we don't know whether or not they're fake. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:07, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::Hey, Google Lens led me to the discovery of another ToonTown oddity and I'd love some community help in finding out more about it before it's added into the article: [https://m.blog.naver.com/eoiipp/130144214329 This Optimus Prime model kit] doesn't appear to be based on any Kabaya / Transformers Gum kit that I know of (and the Transformers Gum section on the Optimus merchandise page says that his ToonTown kit comes as a pack-in with Starscream rather than being a standalone like this one), and in fact; he actually looks to be fairly sizable and complex compared to the usual Kabaya affair. On [https://m.totoy.com/product/%EB%AF%B8%EB%8B%B4%EC%82%B0%EC%97%85-%ED%8A%B8%EB%9E%9C%EC%8A%A4%ED%8F%AC%EB%A8%B8-g2-%EB%A1%9C%EB%B4%87-%ED%8A%B8%EB%A0%88%EC%9D%BC%EB%9F%AC-%EC%98%B5%ED%8B%B0%EB%A8%B8%EC%8A%A4-%ED%94%84%EB%9D%BC%EC%9E%84/5333/ this listing] for the same kit, you can zoom in and see what seems to be the usual ToonTown / 3D Licensing International markings, but most importantly; both of those links identify him as being made by a company called "Midam Industry" which even seems to have its own unique logo on the upper right corner of the toys (albeit it's pretty difficult to make out with how low-res all these pictures are), but that I can't find anything about them on the web. Does anyone know more about this Midam Industry Optimus, as well as maybe potentially being aware of other kits from the same series? Cheers! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 16:46, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:::After searching for a little while, I believe that this is, in fact, the only Transformers kit released by Midam Industry (although it has a handful of variants!), thus; it - as well as a Midam Industry entry - has been added to their respective pages. I've taken the liberty to classify it as a toy rather than a piece of merchandise since it is, for the standards of a Transformers model kit, actually a fairly elaborate and fully-transforming model that doesn't really seem to count as "merchandise" in the same way that Transformers Gum stuff does (it doesn't even come with any food!) - hopefully others will be in agreement on this. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:16, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::::And, just as I thought I was done with editing the ToonTown page for the day, I realized that the packaging for these kits advertises other kits, even though no pictures of those seem to be available. Aw well, duty calls... ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:31, 8 May 2025 (EDT))

== Proposing a "The Transformers (Latin American toylines)" page ==
So the title is self-explanatory, but basically; I've noticed that our Generation 1 navbox is missing the many, many Latin American Transformers G1 toylines like those produced by [[Estrela]], [[Antex]], [[Lynsa]], [[IGA]], etc. Since there might be way too many for them to all to be individually listed in the navbox, and since we already have the "[[The Transformers (toyline)]]" (for the US toyline), "[[The Transformers (European toyline)]]", "[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1 (Japanese toyline)]]", and "[[The Transformers (Chinese toyline)]]" pages all on the navbox, shouldn't we also make a "The Transformers (Latin American toylines)" page where we list all of the known releases from the various Latin American toylines, with the eventual addition of some "Main article" tags for the manufacturers of each of those toylines? ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:49, 24 April 2025 (EDT))
:I don't think the toyline or name was consistent across Latin America, so it would be more "Generation 1 toylines in Latin America"?
::That's fair, it is true that most of them removed the 'The' prefix and were usually just called ''Transformers''. Since we don't use the ''The Transformers'' name for the Japanese toyline page then it does make sense to also not use it in this instance. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 22:33, 24 April 2025 (EDT))
:[[Generation 1 toylines in Latin America|Page has been made!]] ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 17:17, 25 April 2025 (EDT))

== Free Comic Book Day Worst Bot Ever preview ==

I know it’s standard procedure not to create articles for comic issues until the issue actually comes out, even if a small preview is officially released online. But I’m wondering if the Ballpoint preview issue should be an exception? It is just the online page preview Skybound put out a few months ago (I believe with a couple new pages), but since it is an officially released physical comic issue that new fans will be picking up and wanting to research, I figure there’s an argument to create the article now with what we know and simply update it when the graphic novel proper comes out. For now, the article would cover what’s in the FCBD issue, and when it comes out proper we’d add to/replace it with a full synopsis and include a note about how the first 16 pages were released on FCBD. Thoughts? [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 16:58, 3 May 2025 (EDT)

== Shattered Glass and cross-continuity-family pages ==

Felt like this was worth being discussed in its own section, so: at present, [[Unicron]], [[Primus]] and [[Alpha Trion]] all have dedicated "Shattered Glass" subpages suited out. They're unique in this respect; every other page for concepts that span multiple continuity families keep the Shattered Glass versions on the same page as everything else. A good example is [[Spark]]; even though Embers have a different name and are supposedly fundamentally different in the mirror universe, they still share a page. If we're going to treat Unicron, Primus and the Thirteen like cross-continuity concepts, rather than how we treat most characters, then I don't think we should make an exception to that for Shattered Glass.

To be clear, '''this is NOT proposing that we merge all Shattered Glass characters into their G1 counterparts'''. My position is that Shattered Glass is its own continuity family, and so we keep their pages separate, and I don't think there's something special about Shattered Glass that makes it an exception to what we're doing with the cross-continuity pages. Input would be appreciated. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:52, 14 May 2025 (EDT)
: I agree. Especially because Primus and Unicron have about a paragraph's worth of information on them each. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 18:21, 14 May 2025 (EDT)
: SG is different enough that the character pages should be separated somehow. Otherwise it’d be jarring for those unfamiliar with SG to have the one batshit crazy evil Alpha Trion in and amongst all the nice ones. Personally, I’m on the same boat as Sabrblade back up in the Thirteen discussion from a few months ago. I think suite pages are a useful tool, not a necessary evil. It’s somewhat subjective, but I can see suite pages used in this way for other cross-continuity concepts where one universe diverges far enough from the norm. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 18:49, 15 May 2025 (EDT)
::Moreso than one crazy evil [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] in and among all the nice ones? I don't think you're giving readers enough credit, frankly. If we opened the section "In one mirror universe, Alpha Trion was not a kindly mentor, but a cruel manipulator" I don't think anyone would think twice. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:25, 15 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Touché. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 02:04, 16 May 2025 (EDT)
:I was waiting to weigh in until the Alpha Trion merge was fully complete, but I now feel comfortable saying this strikes me as basically reasonable, both conceptually and in terms of the small volume of material involved. The Fallen's [[The Fallen#Shattered Glass|''Shattered Glass'' content]] is already folded into his main page by necessity, after all. I do think people might feel less skittish if we more clearly telegraphed that the 13+2 were unique character/concept article hybrids not to be used as precedent down the food chain. Maybe something like:
::* Category:Concept-Characters
::*With a description like, "These subjects act as facets of the ''Transformers'' brand's baseline worldbuilding first and characters in their own right second. For the defunct fictional concept riffing on this phenomenon, see [[multiversal singularity]]."
:Is that anything? --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:20, 26 May 2025 (EDT)
::I like that idea. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 20:52, 26 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Seems like an excellent idea to me! --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 00:07, 27 May 2025 (EDT)
::::Yeah, seems alright for now. However, I do think it's worth having some kind of plan in place in case a concept-character winds up getting expanded on in the future. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 04:50, 2 June 2025 (EDT)
::::: I do like the category idea. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:51, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
Last call for objections before I go ahead with this? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:01, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:I think there's an exception to be made for Alpha Trion, as the SG page is pretty long, and still incomplete, but otherwise, yeah; was surprised by how short SG Primus and Unicron's articles are. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 16:24, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:: It's not very long compared to the rest of the page, especially considering the toys are already on Trion's toys page. I feel like if we were gonna split a section off for length reasons it'd be Generation 1. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 20:55, 12 June 2025 (EDT)

== Interwiki link request ==

Having reached another milestone in my ongoing project to document the non-''Transformers'' [[back-up strips]] printed in the Marvel UK book, I'd like to request that tfuk.app (<tt><nowiki>https://tfuk.app/wiki/$1</nowiki></tt>) gets added to the interwiki table. Thanks. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 11:11, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
:Goddamn, this is an incredible amount of work: more than being added to the interwiki table, it frankly feels worthy of being pinned into the "sister wikis" section on the opening page. Great job! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 12:08, 20 May 2025 (EDT))
::Seconding Fortress on front page sister wiki status, frankly. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:31, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Thirded on adding it to the sister wikis list, that’s amazing. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 16:07, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Fourthing! -- [[User:DannyBoy|DannyBoy]] ([[User talk:DannyBoy|talk]]) 10:19, 21 May 2025 (EDT)
:That seems eminently reasonable: [[tfuk:Main Page|The Transformers UK Appendix]] --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:15, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Thank you! [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 17:32, 20 May 2025 (EDT)

== Skybound’s Marvel compendium edits ==

So I’ve got Skybound’s [[The Transformers Compendium Volume 1]] in hand and am reading it. I was under the impression that Skybound was, for the most part, just using IDW’s Classics reprint with maybe some polish here and there, but comparing Skybound’s version to the wiki notes about IDW classics edits, there are actually several changes from those that are going to need to be noted on each issue’s article. (For instance, the Wheeljack/Hoist panel comparison on [[I, Robot-Master!]] has a new color scheme to add to it.) Are we gonna want to make a new section on each article underneath the “Classics edits” one? Are we gonna want to wait until the Kickstarter-exclusive versions come out so we can do it all at once? (I’m just talking about differences I’ve noticed while ''skimming'' articles; I imagine there are lots more. This is the first time I’ve read the comic and thus I don’t have originals/IDW reprints to directly compare to. Just something I wanted to bring to your guys’ attention.) [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 02:04, 1 June 2025 (EDT)
:Making a new section under "Classics Edits" seems like the best move. As for the second question, I feel it would be best if we started making note of the changes now so that there will be less work to when the Kickstarter exclusives do release. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 04:58, 2 June 2025 (EDT)

== Continuity of origin listings? ==
I happened to see the [[Sentius Magnus]] and [[Sentius Malus]], and that sent me looking to see if there were any other new characters unique to [[Transformers: Earth Wars|Earth Wars]]. When I couldn't find any such listing, I realized I don't think we have any real way to identify original characters by their original continuity. Might it make sense to have, say, categories for brand-new characters that originated in each continuity? i.e. "Earth Wars original characters" or "IDW 2005 original characters" or "Marvel comics original characters", etc? Or, if not categories, some way of compiling that information? Also, to be clear, I wouldn't consider characters that began as toys to be original to whatever fiction they first appeared in; this would just be for the likes of the aforementioned Sentius twins, or [[Xaaron]], or [[Devcon (G1)|Devcon]], or [[Tarn (G1)|Tarn]]. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:29, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
:I think that would be a good idea, and very helpful organization-wise. (Also, you’re correct in that there are no other TFEW-original characters beyond maybe SB Optimus Prime and SB Megatron.) - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 09:09, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
: I feel that would be unnecessary, fans can find it out by looking at the work page. [[User:Vrung|Vrung]] ([[User talk:Vrung|talk]]) 16:53, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
::Unless there's a way I missed, the only way to "figure it out" by looking at the work page is to individually check the pages for every single listed character appearance to see if they've ever appeared anywhere else. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 20:33, 16 June 2025 (EDT)

==Concept characters and sorting by continuity family==
Based on discussions above, I've implemented [[:Category:Deep lore characters|Category:Concept characters]] to cover things like the Thirteen and Primus and Unicron. However, I've noticed that these pages seem to have been rearranged so they aren't sorted by continuity family, except in the case of the movie and Aligned families? I gather that it's to "preserve the flow of conceptual development", but that seems silly when we have "conceputal history" sections on the relevant characters. Other concept pages (e.g. [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] are sorted by family, so this just seems unintuitive. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 19:49, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:I agree; we've always tried to sort concepts and ideas by continuity family and it's more confusing if we start arbitrarily enforcing this standard on some pages but not on others. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 20:00, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::I concur that how we've been organizing big pages like this by continuity family makes sense, especially if they have "Conceptual history" sections. Like, it's weird to jump around from a G1 section, to a Beast Era section, to a UT section, and then back to a G1 section, then to a Movie section, then Aligned, then back to another G1, then back to another Movie, then back to G1 again, then Cyberverse, then G1 again, then another Movie, and so forth. Just let the "Conceptual history" sections do their job. And if there isn't one, then, well... why not make one? They only ''enhance'' each article that has one. I'd say an article like "[[Cybertron (planet)]]" could definitely benefit from a good "Conceptual history" section of its own. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 20:00, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:::Agreed on all fronts. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:20, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
I think if we're going to have cross-continuity pages for whatever reason, because the "continuity family" thing isn't working... why then organize the pages that way? "G1 continuity family" is a unit of wiki organization, not a Real Thing either narratively or creatively, unlike Aligned or Movieverse. That feels like trying to have our cake and eat it—either we're organizing things by continuity family or we aren't. IDW Megatronus is more linked to Aligned Megatronus than Dreamwave Fallen. Why does it make sense to put IDW and Dreamwave together in terms of the character? Forget arbitrary wiki categorization for a minute and ask what's the intended throughline there. Are we presenting the character's evolution in a logical way or are we simply sticking to continuity families because arbitrary wiki organization? (Also an excessive amount of tiny headers as you force them all down one level looks awful.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:00, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:I don't buy that "movieverse" is any less arbitrary than "G1 continuity family". None of the Alpha Trion entries sorted under "movie continuity family" have anything to do with each other. I would argue that using continuity families for these pages provides a reasonable measure of organisation to make it easier to find specific fiction entries rather than having to scroll through the entire history of the character. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 21:19, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::Not to beat the dead horse, but that's why we had separate pages in the first place. Movieverse fiction uses the movies as the fundamental springing board for their narrative (and is especially relevant to the Fallen). G1 does not have that and is purely organized by aesthetics and convenience. Why are Cyberverse, EarthSpark, and Wild King not "G1" while IDW1 is? Arbitrary convenience. Which is fine, but it still drills in the point that it's not a meaningful categorization narratively or creatively, especially if we're going to eschew it at the article level regardless. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:51, 18 June 2025 (EDT
:::I simply think we should be consistent about how we sort fiction sections within "concept" articles. To use [[Cybertron (planet)]] as an example again, should we no longer organise the fiction entries on that page by continuity family? If you think so, fine, but I think that's a poor idea. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 21:55, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::::That page seems to eschew the Fiction header in the first place (which does take care of my tiny header complaint, I suppose), so it's not quite consistent to begin with. But I don't really consider location and character pages to have the same considerations; Cybertron is pretty much the same across all continuities (backstory varies, yes, but mechanical homeworld of the Transformers is always the status quo) while characters are always shifting, changing, and bringing forward new ideas into next iterations. (Gun to my head, yes, I would prefer chronological, but planet articles are not a priority to me.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:09, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:::::Right, but the thing about the Thirteen et al is that they ''don't'' have the same considerations as other characters, so we treat them the same as other cross-continuity concept articles. I don't think they should have their own unique format that's the only thing on the wiki that ''completely'' eschews continuity families for organisation. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:59, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
Two questions: 1. Are we talking about just the organization of Thirteen/Primus/Unicron pages or across the board, new standard for all pages? 2. For either side (organize by continuity family vs organize by chronology/release date), are there examples of pages with either formatting that can serve as proof of concepts or visuals that show why that specific way is the better one? [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 21:15, 18 June 2025 (EDT)

Bit of an aside but is there a different or more distinct category name we could use? For me and most tf fans I know "Concept characters" brings to mind "concept art" characters, aka unused designs and the like. I think renaming it to "Cross-continuity concept characters" or something similar would make it clearer. —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 22:39, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:That would be fine by me, yeah. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:59, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::Yeah, this was the problem that jumped out at me when I first saw the term proposed. Some other suggestions: continuity-agnostic, pan-continuity, meta-continuity, conceptual, lore, mythological, cosmological, multiversal, archetypal, foundational. I don't have a strong preference, just throwing these out there. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 12:54, 19 June 2025 (EDT)
:::conceptual, lore, and mythological feel a bit too... intangible ig? multiversal is way too close to multiversal singularity imo. I'd say continuity-agnostic, pan-continuity or meta-continuity would all be good. (personally leaning towards meta-continuity) [[User:Arren1234|--Arren Meuchel]] ([[User talk:Arren1234|talk]]) 14:41, 19 June 2025 (EDT)

I'm definitely sympathetic towards [[User:Saix|Saix]] with regards to this specific change. The Thirteen are pretty much the tentpole for the "aligned" worldbuilding which pretty much marked the ''end'' of continuity families in the traditional sense, from a creative perspective at Hasbro (not that the concept was one they were considering to begin with). As he says, everything is G1 now, IDW is aligned, ''Cyberverse'' is IDW, and so on. After consideration I prefer the way he's laid it out. ''However'', there's also obviously an argument to be made from a wiki-consistency standpoint, and I want to state for the record that I don't think such a major reorganisation of those pages' contents should have been implemented without a consensus being reached on talkpages ''first''. This should have been a sandboxed proposal, not just something that was done hoping nobody would notice or care enough to raise an objection themselves. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 12:54, 19 June 2025 (EDT)

I apologize if I'm a bit off-base here, since I haven't been following these discussions as closely as some, but it seems to me that there are fundamentally two different things that are being presented here: the evolution of the character concept, and the actual fictional history of the various iterations of the character. If that's the case, wouldn't a good solution be to make a separate section for the former while continuing to organize the latter by continuity family like every other page? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 14:57, 19 June 2025 (EDT)

== Commentary trivia ==

Something I find a bit sad is commentary sounding Trivia having to be deleted from episode pages. Those are funny and can be interesting to see, shame they also hog space. Can there be a middle ground where I cam dump them into, say, wild king episodes Synopsis without sounding...unprofessional? (Because the commentary is one of the best parts of some episode descriptions...)[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 00:02, 3 July 2025 (EDT)

== Mentioned characters ==

Something I did back when I was revamping our coverage of the BotCon/Club stuff was add a "mentioned characters" section to the notes; for examples, see [[Cybertron's Most Wanted]], [[Gone Too Far]], and other stories linked to on the [[Transformers Timelines (fiction)]] page. It's something that we lack on other pages, and I think that it's worth implementing; in particular, when looking through some of James Roberts' work recently for a side project, I was struck by how often characters that otherwise never appear on page are mentioned. What I wanna propose is adding something like to this our media pages in general.

The Problem: I think that the benefits speak for themselves, but it does also come against the fact that we have hundreds (if not thousands) of episodes/comics/other media by this point, and that it's going to be a non-trivial amount of work getting this up to speed. For that reason, I don't really think a template is the best way to go about, especially if they're going to be sitting empty until someone goes back to read those comics or rewatch that episode or whatever. What I do think might be worth considering is that we add in something about doing it for media pages in their notes section here on out, so that we can have a headstart on at least the currently published stuff; once it becomes something feasible for a template on various pages, then I think we can revisit that idea. For my end, I've been contemplating a re-read of the comics for a few years now, and I'm more than happy to add stuff over the time I do that.

If anyone has any suggestions or comments, please respond here. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:22, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
:I always liked how Wookieepedia lists every proper noun in "Appearances" sections ([https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_V_The_Empire_Strikes_Back#Appearances example]). I think this concept should expand to include locations, weapons, et al.—basically everything we would make a page for. Yes, it's work to add stuff, but that's editing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:32, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
::That sounds like something that could be pretty beneficial information-wise, even if it’s a lot of work. I can definitely start doing something like it for my ''Earth Wars'' write-ups as I go through the event stories. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 10:49, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
:I definitely remember thinking—back when you were regularly working on the Fun Publications pages—that your exhaustive approach to filling out the notes sections with mentioned characters and concepts was ''really useful'', but that it could stand to be formalised in some way. As you say, it'd be a huge amount of work to bring articles for even the most popular stories up to that standard. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 11:20, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
::I agree this is something it would be valuable to do going forwards. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]])

== Plagiarism on the other site ==
Basically every EarthSpark character page on the other site is a copy-paste of our own. Some of Cyberverse too. Do we care about this? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:34, 11 July 2025 (EDT)
:I think the important first question is whether there's any attribution (though I assume the answer will be no). -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 15:53, 11 July 2025 (EDT)
::As in, "this was written by TFWiki" or "this is a unique article we here at Fandom invented"? We can see which users have been doing the copy-pasting. There's one in particular who pasted in Earthspark content (just choose a character), another who has been doing some weapons (i.e. [[Electro-scrambler]]). I know full well that fan wikis tend to get copied, so if our position is to simply disregard everything Fandom does, we can stick to that. But their site has, supposedly, had a black-and-white policy dating right back to the split that copying from us is not allowed. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:29, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
:::I think it could be to try and make the fandom wikis page look as good the pages here are. I confess, I did the same to bulbapedia and the fandom pokemon wiki.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 13:12, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
:::I see no reason to not make a stink about it to whatever passes for admin there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:14, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
::::Thylacine - According to CC BY-SA 3.0, they are free to copy our material as long as they provide credit that it was copied from us. If they ''don't'' do that, and I'm very much assuming they don't, then we should absolutely raise hell about it, as M Sipher suggests.
::::As an example, after Wowpedia moved to wiki.gg and became Warcraft Wiki, Fandom put a blanket ban on linking to wiki.gg (for bullshit reasons) and so we've been aggressively deleting any Wowpedia pages that were copied from us because they are functionally unable to provide proper attribution and their staff fucked up and never depowered one of our admins. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 14:31, 13 July 2025 (EDT)a
:::::They are definitely not providing any credit, and they also still have ''as their very first listed policy'' "no copying from Wikipedia or TFWiki." transformers dot fandom dot com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki:Policies#Plagiarism --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:29, 13 July 2025 (EDT)

Their site lists four admins, of whom two are obviously long retired. One who was last active in May is the source of some of the plagiarism, and also showed themself to be unresponsive to multiple direct questions posted on their wall by Fandom higher-ups. That leaves the one who was last active in June. I wrote that one a message summarizing all this as best I can, bearing in mind that systematically comparing pages on some other peoples' wiki is not at all something I am interested in doing. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:02, 14 July 2025 (EDT)
:Honestly, failing any response from their admins (which I will imagine will be the case), I think anyone happening to spot plagiarised material can happily just go ahead and delete it on the spot, citing their own policy of not copying from TFWiki. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 10:11, 14 July 2025 (EDT)
::A response: transformers dot fandom dot com/wiki/Message_Wall:Moviejunkie2009

::I msged the other suggested admins, no response. I did NOT msg the suggested Fandom "community manager" because they have no reason to help us, if anything I expect their response would be to simply erase the relict, circa-2008 anti-plagiarism policy that the current community knows nothing about.

::I do ''not'' enjoy scanning their New Articles page every day and maxing out my allowed daily edits by blanking the neverending incoming pasted pages. I am going to stop doing this. It pisses me off that a zero-effort community can ignore its own rules and steal our work, but it feels even worse to compulsively devote my free time to marginally cleaning up a zero-effort community's messes. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 20:07, 17 July 2025 (EDT)

== The General commercial with Bumblebee and Shaq ==

I think we should have information on this commercial for The General with Bumblebee and Shaq:

https://tformers.com/watch-bumblebee-shaq-acting-up-in-new-the-general-insurance-spot/55134/news.html
--[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 13:11, 26 July 2025 (EDT)

== Maintenance heads up ==

Just to let everyone know, I'm going to take the site offline temporarily in about an hour for maintenance. Should not be offline for too long, hopefully. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:24, 29 August 2025 (EDT)
:And we're back. Thank you for your patience.--[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:43, 29 August 2025 (EDT)
::Thank you for your work, abates! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:53, 29 August 2025 (EDT)

== Coverage idea ==

We should add a "Major events" section to the episode articles. It helps keep track of events alongside continuity notes and could help finding specific episodes better.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 19:07, 16 September 2025 (EDT)
:Struggling to picture what exactly that would look like. --[[User:Arren1234 |Arren Meuchel]] [[User_talk:Arren1234 |(talk)]] 15:07, 17 September 2025 (EDT)
::Like a Major Events header, then the body text is any important Events that happen in the episode. (E.g. Darkest Hour in TFP: The autobot base is destroyed)[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 01:38, 13 October 2025 (EDT)
:::Perhaps you could put together an example on a sandbox page? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 06:55, 14 October 2025 (EDT)
::::Uh, idk how to make sandboxes. There are examples over on Bulbapedia though, so that should give a rough idea on what im suggesting. [[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 08:02, 14 October 2025 (EDT)
:::::https://tfwiki.net/wiki/User:Poliwag06/Sandbox [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 09:55, 14 October 2025 (EDT)

== Overview of pre-TF page ==
Hey, just posting here to provide a wiki-wide notification of sorts that I started an "Overview" section on the [[Pre-Transformers]] page and it's in dire need of some chunks of summarized information primarily regarding Diaclone and Micro Change and their respective Transformers localizations, as per the various stub markers left in specific sections. It feels like that page has been needing a proper written history of pre-TFs for a while now, so if anyone could help me fill it out then I'd be glad! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 22:14, 12 October 2025 (EDT))
:I'll see about taking a crack at the Diaclone bits as I can. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 00:37, 13 October 2025 (EDT)
::Thank you for volunteering, and wow, I had no idea about [[Horloge Robot]]: his page has now been made! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 05:06, 13 October 2025 (EDT))
:::Wahey, thank you! As you can imagine I'd been meaning to get around to that for ages. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:45, 13 October 2025 (EDT)

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==The Thirteen and the other conversation we've been waiting for==

Over the last few years, the Thirteen have played a major role in multiple ''Transformers'' stories. However, this prominence—combined with Hasbro's increasingly loose approach their in-universe lore—has also led to increasingly divergent portrayals of the group and its individual members.

Around 2015, we took the step of consolidating all the different incarnations of the Thirteen on one page for each, with the rationale that the characters were former [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]], and mostly shared similar backstories and personalities between incarnations. However, even at the time, this was not a completely ideal comporomise. Most notably, the various [[Alpha Trion]]s were not consolidated into one, partly due to length and partly because the existence of his [[Alpha Trion#Shattered Glass|murderously insane evil counterpart]] represented a massive contradiction to the entire notion.

However, over the years, multiple authors have drastically reinterpreted the Thirteen and their story. The role of "Thirteenth Prime" has been filled by multiple contradictory characters—[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]], [[Zeta Prime (One)|Zeta Prime]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]—and individual depictions of the Primes themselves have grown increasingly divergent. "Shattered Glass" Alpha Trion is no longer the outlier, but rather an increasing trend: for instance, ''Transformers One'' features a completely heroic Megatronus who never becomes The Fallen, a Liege Maximo that looks nothing like Loki, and an incarnation of Nexus Prime that does not seem to be a combiner. With these data points in mind—and the potential for even further divergence in the coming years—I and several other editors feel that it may be time to reorganize our Thirteen coverage, splitting them out into individual [[continuity family]]-based incarnations the way we would for stock characters like [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)|Bumblebee]], etc.

However, if we do adopt this approach, some further problems would need to be solved.

* '''How do we handle toys?''' With a few exceptions like ''Revenge of the Fallen'' The Fallen, the toys of the Thirteen are clearly meant to be somewhat continuity-agnostic. ''Age of the Primes'' Solus Prime is about as faithful to her depiction in ''The Covenant of Primus'' as it is to ''One'' or any of the IDW comics in which she appears. Even if we count them as "repurposes" across multiple pages, the format of the wiki means they'd have to be based ''somewhere''...

* '''FunPub stuff''': The Vector Prime of "Ask Vector Prime" is clearly meant to be a version of the same Vector Prime who appeared in the ''Cybertron'' cartoon, but at the same time makes reference to off-camera events, such as a time when he and the Thirteen lived in Ancient Greece—would we make a separate "FunPub" page for the Thirteen, or try and work these events onto Unicron Trilogy pages when necessary? Other similar problems exist: "[[Coalescence]]" is a story that features a movie universe Fallen jumping into the world of ''Shattered Glass'', and AVP established that "The Evil One" of GoBots fame, is another alternate-universe incarnation of The Fallen/Megatronus.

Feedback on this proposal is appreciated! [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:50, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:From my point of view, I think as it stands right now my thoughts on the Thirteenth Prime stuff is that I absolutely understand the concerns, but for me personally it kind of falls into the same view as like, IDW Primus being Rung, which I think our current model handles fairly well. For the other Primes, I'm tempted to say that like...as it stands, there's about as much divergence there as like, Unicron as he's depicted in The Last Knight (not really shown to be aggressive beyond being called Cybertron's enemy), and as it stands right now, I don't think that's enough to say there should be a full-on split, but I do think it's worth thinking about future-proofing. And I suppose my main concern right now about pushing ahead too soon is in the event there's some fiction accompanying the Age of the Primes stuff; certainly, the fact that we're getting a toy of the Fallen with the Megatronus name but with the original Dreamwave design does make me hesitant that there might be some further consolidation of disparate elements; and I remember that last time we did this in the early 2010s was that we figured the idea of the Aligned Primes not having any connections to the others was going to be the standard going forward, which turned out not to be the case, and I figure it might be worth considering if something like that happens again. But! I am open to ideas of how to implement this if we do go for it; I think the suite options we have for Primus and Unicron work perfectly fine if we go for something like that. Just figure it's worth considering the stuff I've brought up here first. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:35, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Right now, I'm leaning toward the camp of not splitting them out for all the reasons you've given. I look at our current situation and, while not perfect, I feel that things can be tidied up simply with some "Conceptual history" sections for the pages that need them. The aforementioned Vector Prime is a particular case not just for everything stated about him above, but because [[Vector Prime: In the Beginning|his very first Fub Pub appearance]] written by [[Forest Lee]] leans so heavily far into the multiversal aspect of the character that it doesn't treat him like he is a native to the Cybertron cartoon universe but rather to the whole multiverse itself. Similarly, Nexus Prime was also continuity-agnostic by his very nature from the ground up. The safest solution for splitting him out would be to classify his Fun Pub incarnation under "(Timelines)" (the previous "(Classics)" tag we had him under was bleh), but that's typically a last-resort tag we have tried to avoid in the past.
::Regarding The Fallen, while he does tend to be evil in a majority of his depictions, and has had a few outlier cases where he either didn't go bad at all (TF One) or was the victim of other's manipulations (Covenant), it's implied that the majority of those evil versions weren't always evil from the start, and only went bad later. The TF One version of Megatronus never turned to the dark side, but one could argue that he was murdered before he ever would have gotten the chance to. ;-)
::Regarding the Thirteenth Prime and various conflicting the depictions, we solved that issue by simply creating the "[[Thirteenth Prime]]" article to explain everything there.
::You mention the situation with Alpha Trion, and I get it. The biggest reasons for simply not merging all of his pages together were that A) he was never originally meant to be one of the Thirteen since the original Dreamwave-based lore for the Thirteen had them all die before A3 was even born, and B) his Shattered Glass self. I used to be a proponent for keeping all of his versions separate because of A, but in the time since then we've had more and more depictions of him as a 13er who were all still pretty much the same as his traditional pre-Aligned depictions. If we were to merge all of his versions together, a "Conceptual history" section for him could explain the whole "Sometimes he's a 13er, sometimes he's not" situation.
::BUT, there still remains his SG version, which I wouldn't feel comfortable putting on the same page as his other versions. Reaching back to the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3F original discussion] about how to handle the SG characters, I find myself still agreeing with those like Steve-o who pointed out how awkward "'''Continuity X''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Continuity Y''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of different but still funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Shattered Glass''': Bumblebee is hardcore evil and wants to kill you for no particular reason. '''Continuity Z''': Bumblebee loves humans and does yet another set of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe." reads as a page. But, there is one thing we have nowadays that we did not have back when that original discussion was held and makes me wonder how differently the conversation might have gone if they had existed back then: Subpages. Looking at our [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] articles, I find it to be a very fair and workable compromise that their respective SG versions are placed not on their respective main pages but as subpages for each. Doing the same for SG Alpha Trion were we to merge all of the non-SG A3's together could be a valid solution too, in my eyes. Unlike others, I don't see subpages as an annoying evil that much be dealt with and eliminated, but as a handy tool to work around tricky situations like this.
::Had they even existed back then, it's very possible that ALL SG characters may have ended up on subpages for their positive polarity counterparts instead of separate pages entirely. And since then, SG has grown to expand not just beyond the original Fun Pub SG G1 continuity but to other non-G1 SG continuities, like for the Movies, Animated, and Cybertron, forcing us to create such unsightly tags as "(SG Movie)", "(SG Animated)", and "(SG Cybertron)", when subpages could have prevented that with "(Movie)/Shattered Glass" or "(Animated)/Shattered Glass" and so on.
::But, I'm getting off topic. Backing up to the Thirteen, I'm for keeping the Thirteen together. In addition to what all I've said above, the Age of the Primes toys seem to be treating them as the standard or definitive versions of the Thirteen that apply for every version/universe/continuity, pulling from all across the board rather than sticking to a single depicted version of them. Prima has his Aligned body but the Sunbow Powerful Robot's head. The Fallen is just the Dreamwave design but with Aligned Megatronus's weapons from the books and RID 2015 cartoon. Micronus is likely to be based on his RID 2015 design which was itself based on the Aligned design. The statue group artwork makes Amalgamous looks more like his TF One design than his Aligned design. Vector Prime is just straight-up Cybertron Vector Prime. And Star Convoy was never one of the Thirteen in any version before now. Yet, all these disparately-sourced designs are being treated as if they all belong to the same group no matter what continuity they come from. So keeping them together as they are would just make it easier for us to not have to split hairs over which versions of which 13ers these are supposed to be when the answer would simply be "all of the above" (and we wouldn't have to put multiple entries of the same toy on, like, six or seven different characters' pages that would have to maintained equally across all of those pages). This model makes this particular version of the group feel inherently multiversal, with each member either originating from a different universe as each other, or being a multiversal hybrids comprised of different aspects of different versions of them from across the dimensions, as if Hasbro is trying to say that the AOTP versions represent *every* version of the Thirteen (minus Star Optimus, of course, since we know he's not a member in every version of this group). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:01, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::As somebody who's pushed for this split for a long time, I'm obviously all for it. I feel we can easily determine where the toys go based on their main inspirations (Fallen is G1 Dreamwave, Micronus is Aligned RID, etc) are or just make the links go to the G1 pages (since G1 is effectively the wastebasket taxon of this franchise anyway). For the FunPub stuff, we can either do it Sideways style or just do it like we do for Kre-O and ancillary stuff: place them based on the characterization/design used by the work. Multiversal Vector Prime is pretty much just Cybertron Vector Prime (and the TransTech incarnation from the last portion of AVP can be split out).
:::I am pretty much opposed to "subpages" because that is just duplicating the parentheses system we already have just for the sake of pedantry. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:03, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::Fully agree with both Escargon and Sabrblade, and their reasoning. I am biased against splits pretty much as a matter of cause, but the Thirteen ''in particular'' have for most of their history (including now, in the continuity-agnostic ''Age of the Primes!)'' been defined by their multiversal nature. I just don't think a split would be helpful. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 16:05, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::So we need to wait five years of more non-multiversal stories to have this discussion again? That doesn't make sense. The COP version of the Thirteen weren't characterized as singularities in the first place, regardless; only FunPub cared about that aspect (and not even with the usual lineup we have now) and they tossed it because they realized it was an unworkable concept in this franchise and it's unlikely to ever get resurrected. It's been nearly a decade since the Shroud (the concept only existed from 2009-2015). You bring up AOTP but toylines clearly don't and never thought about those characters in terms of our organizational schema. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:19, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I think we can probably leave the most of the old content together, since it might be a mess to split them apart and much of that content is based on the Covenant mythos anyway. I feel new iterations of the Thirteen (post-POTP?) should get their own pages, like ''Earthspark'' Quintus and the ''One'' Primes (particularly Megatronus since he's quite different). Though I suppose that begs the question of what to use in the parentheses for their current pages... —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 13:10, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::How much of it is actually sticking to the Covenant? IDW1 had them be regular guys and some pre-Covenant stuff (notably Megatronus/Fallen) is more prominent for the character and not really compatible. Other Aligned stuff has also influenced other "continuity families", but we're not merging those articles, so I don't really see why this is different regarding the Thirteen. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:49, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I’m against splitting pages, mostly because The Thirteen haven’t had enough drastic and unique depictions of them to stop “breaking the rules” for them and give them split pages.
::> The Thirteen haven’t followed the traditional convention of “every character gets a new page for that universe’s depiction”, mostly because of the whole multiversal singularity issue. Now while that concept isn’t used in fiction anymore, ''Age of the Primes'' seems to lean towards having a standard, continuity-agnostic depiction of the Thirteen from which future teams can use as the foundation of their depictions.
::> Escargon and Sabrblade make some good points regarding subpages, particularly with the example of the standard '''“Primus = God”''' and '''Rung (G1)''' incarnations. Rung is a distinct and unique take on the Primus character whose backstory is incompatible with virtually every other Primus incarnation, so placing him on the same page as the Primus of the Marvel Comics, or Cybertron, or the Aligned continuity, wouldn’t seem right.
::> ''The Covenant of Primus'' has been the foundation of every depiction of the Thirteen since it was released. Certain things might be modified, such as the 2005 IDW’s take on them, but even those Primes still follow certain story beats: Megatronus kills Solus, Liege Maximo is a manipulator, Prima’s role as the leader and his conflict with Megatronus, etc. ''One'' offers a depiction of the Thirteen who don’t enter a War of the Primes situation, but because we don’t really get any more information about them besides how they died, I wouldn’t say that they’re distinct enough or important enough to warrant their own pages.
::> Then there’s the fact that a lot of the Primes either have had very small roles or haven’t had any real importance to the franchise in several years: '''Micronus'''’s last big role was a few episodes in ''Robots in Disguise'' and a clever tie-in to the Microspace of the 2005 IDW universe. '''Onyx'''’s only big role was in the ''Covenant'', mostly thanks to '''[[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|this guy]]''' taking his place in another universe. Onyx has a few mentions in ''Cyberverse'', but I don’t think that alone should be the reason for splitting his page up. '''Nexus Prime''' and '''Vector Prime''' haven’t really done anything notable since the Shroud. '''Solus Prime''' has seen some prominence thanks to IDW's Caminus and ''Power of the Primes'', but those depictions again don’t stray too far from the ''Covenant''. '''Amalgamous Prime''' has had virtually no exploration as a character. The most we’ve gotten for him is a much easier-to-look-at design in ''One''.
::> Character-wise, story-wise… they’re all still heavily based on the ''Covenant''. Even '''Quintus Prime'''’s ''Earthspark'' depiction (with his more human-looking face) is based on his “Johnny Appleseed, made the Quintessons” lore established from the ''Covenant''. Now if we had a full group of the Thirteen from a Shattered Glass universe or had some “What-If?” incarnations of the characters that made them very different… splitting pages would make more sense to me.
::> A lot of the Thirteen have also maintained a consistent visual look to them since their introduction: all the Primes introduced in the Covenant have kept their look (Alchemist’s Lenses, Onyx’s face, Solus’ hair and color scheme), and every version of Megatronus seems to have a Decepticon insignia face, flames, and/or both. While ''One'' may have changed some color schemes (Liege Maximo missing his green), I don’t think just having a different color scheme and nothing else different warrants a new page.
::> I like the idea of conceptual history sections for now, and as I said on ''The Fallen''’s talk page, I think the beginning to his page needs a general rewrite from its “frozen in 2009” version. But until drastic new interpretations of those characters are created, if a member of the Thirteen has a single page… we should keep it as a single page --[[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 16:33, 7 December 2024 (EST)
: Splitting them would simply be a bigger headache. They're rather like Primus and Unicron where they're "bigger picture" characters (only this time around designed ''very specifically'' to '''''be''''' as such) and it's best to treat them as such, and really, there's not enough material to BOTHER splitting for most of them. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Since it's related to this subject, it should probably also be mentioned here that there have recently been two discussions happening on the talk page for [[The Fallen]]. One about changing that article's mainpic and the other about moving the page's name to Megatronus. As of now, nothing has come out of either discussion, but I feel the results of this a bigger discussion may have an effect on either of those two smaller ones. Speaking as one who is in favor of not splitting out the Thirteen, my thoughts on these two smaller topics are that a good compromise would be to keep the article at its current name since many Megatronuses still become The Fallen, but replace the mainpic with The Fallen's Age of the Primes toy packaging art (as it depicts him in his original first body from Dreamwave but armed with his now-signature weapons from Aligned media, serving as a sort of visual overview for the character's history), along with a rewrite of his intro at the top of the page to be more all-encompassing, and the inclusion of a new "Conceptual history" section to give a proper overview of his different depictions. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm going to second this. I've mulled it over a little bit and while there is an argument to be made for splitting them out, I feel that 12 of the 13 primes really don't warrant it. They just haven't had as much an impact on the story and while it could be future proofing to split them, until we get prominent appearances from them I don't think it's a viable option right now. Megatronus is clearly the exception to this rule. I don't know if there's a clean solution to dealing with him at the moment. Part of me thinks maybe we should suite out the Movie and RiD versions since those are his too big appearences to date. At the bare minimum though I think we should use either his Dreamwave or Age of Primes art as the mainpic. It's his first body and I think it's influenced more designs than his RoTF design has. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 22:57, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::Erm, no. Neither his Movie or RiD sections (certainly not the latter) are big enough to warrant subpages for either. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:57, 8 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm also of the opinion that a split would be a massive hassle for very little gain, but I do feel we should move The Fallen to Megatronus. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:54, 8 December 2024 (EST)
::::To me, renaming the page to Megatronus feels like renaming an Optimus Prime page to Orion Pax. The name was created to tell us what he was called ''before'' he became The Fallen, like how Orion Pax was what Optimus was called before he became Optimus Prime. TF One Megatronus never became The Fallen but he's an anomaly, not a new standard. As of now, the only impact TF One Megatronus has had on the brand is the official reveal video for Age of the Primes describing the very Dreamwave/Aligned-based AOTP version as "the most powerful Prime," while also putting a grim, pronounced emphasis on "The Fallen" when referring to him as "Megatronus... The Fallen". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:16, 8 December 2024 (EST)
::::: '''Yes''' to changing The Fallen's mainpic back to the DW-style character design, huge-ass '''No''' to changing the page name; the Optimus/Orion comparison is spot-on. (And as to below... yes. The Thirteen are absolutely "set dressing that walks like a man" and best to approach them as such.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:11, 8 December 2024 (EST)

:After meditating upon this a while I think I've come to agree with the broad majority above that splitting each member of the Thirteen would hurt more than it would help. The way I see it what we should be striving for here is the approach that involves the least "hallucinating data" within our organizational system, and splitting will require making a lot of different calls on what "counts" to formulate micro-characterizations for dozens of serial continuity transplants, none of which do much individually, while obfuscating the larger context they are gesturing towards. Fundamentally what we may be running up against here is that the closest most of these guys have to a true "home continuity" as we typically think of it is... the brand bible. They are set dressing that walks like a man.

:To go one step further, if we want to talk future-proofing I would advocate formalizing the approach of treating them as a squad of mini-Unicrons/Primuses such that:

::1) My suggestion for the issues currently plaguing the Fallen (and to a lesser degree Trion) would be to make "Conceptual History" sections more or less standard issue across the board for the Thirteen, laying out swerves in characterization and appearance as they happened rather than trying to pry them apart ''or'' smoosh them together.

::2) I think it's worth revisiting merging Alpha Trion for consistency. In the decade+ since Prime cludged him into the lineup, Alpha Trion has consistently appeared as a member of the Thirteen, an insubstantial cameo, or both in pretty much every continuity he's appeared, and looking backwards I cannot help but notice that the fact that there's next to no meaningful daylight between his depictions has been the running gag of his [[Alpha Trion|disambiguation page]] since day one. If Shattered Glass remains a sticking point the Unicron/Primus style suite split approach is a reasonable compromise.

:I wouldn't say I'm married to any of this and counter-counter-proposals are welcome, but that's my two cents. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:08, 8 December 2024 (EST)
:I think just put a line at the end of the fallens intro article that says "while mostly a bad guy, there exists at least one universe (link to TF one section) where he's managed to defy all logic and be...good for once).[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:53, 8 December 2024 (EST)

I'm for splitting the Thirteen, for the same reasons Saix gave. If that doesn't work, I think the versions of Alpha Trion should be merged. It's the inconsistency that drives me batty. [[User:Boingus|--Boingus]] ([[User talk:Boingus|talk]]) 22:12, 8 December 2024 (EST)

===Checkpoint? (01/18/2025)===
This topic seems to have gotten as much interaction as it's going to get, so to take stock before it falls off the agenda completely:

:*'''Votes for splitting the Thirteen across the board:''' 4 (Locoman, Saix, BlueJayWarrior, Boingus)
:*'''Votes against:''' 8 (Escargon, Sabrblade, Wadapan, Daytonjhammon, M Sipher, Exim93, Dark T Zeratul, AzimuthAcolyte)

That seems like a pretty resounding 2:1 "no," but the discussion also generated some possible compromises/suggestions for future-proofing:

:*'''Votes for more widespread use of "Conceptual History" sections:''' 3 (Sabrblade, Daytonjhammon, AzimuthAcolyte)
:*'''Votes to merge Alpha Trion (with potential SG suite) for consistency:''' 3 (Sabrblade, AzimuthAcolyte, Boingus)

Lastly it generated some cross-bleed from the debates on [[Talk:The Fallen|The Fallen's talk page]] about some updates now that we're 16 years out from his [[live-action film series]] star turn:

1) Moving the page to "Megatronus":
:*'''For:''' 1 (Dark T Zeratul)
:*'''Against:''' 2 (Sabrblade, M Sipher)

2) Swapping back to a Dreamwave-style mainpic:
:*'''For:''' 3 (Sabrblade, Ezim93, M Sipher)

If anyone wants to try to resuscitate the mega-split speak now. If not, thoughts on the compromise proposals?

The Fallen discussion should probably return to his own page. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:33, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:My stances remain unchanged on all of the above. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:55, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::I'd be fine with splitting, but if we don't, we ''absolutely'' need to merge the Alpha Trions. There's no good justification for the others being together and him being split.
::As for the Fallen... I feel the need to point out that it's not ''just'' One Megatronus that didn't use the name. EVERY toyline and piece of media in the last decade — RID15, the Prime Wars cartoons, the POTP toy, the offhand mentions in Cyberverse — have used "Megatronus", completely dropping the idea that he stopped being Megatronus and became the Fallen. It's evidently how Hasbro thinks of the character; the Studio Series toy provides plenty of evidence that they ''could'' have just called the AOTP toy "The Fallen" if they'd wanted to. -[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 15:51, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::I am also pro-merging Alpha Trions with a SG subpage along the lines of what we do for Primus and Unicron. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:11, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::::I disagree that we need to put SG Trion on a separate page. Just have his Shattered Glass section open with "In the mirror universe of Shattered Glass, Alpha Trion was..." --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:58, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::::I'm pro merging Alpha Trion as well and adding conceptual history. Fallen/Megatronus discussion I'm good with taking back to his page. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 16:20, 18 January 2025 (EST)

:Here's my 5 cents. We are under no obligation to be consistent with how we treat the members of the Thirteen. If it makes sense for the characters, we can have Alpha Trions on separate pages because he has a long rich history of appearances in wide and varied media, including media in which he is not a member of the Thirteen, and we can also have Amalgamous Prime on one page because he doesn't. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:48, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::I'm in agreement with this. "Consistency" is nice until it isn't, and merging Alpha's pages... isn't. I feel like that's just gonna result in a clusterfuck. "Conceptual history" is fine to add, but frankly I feel like only like... maybe only a third of the 13 would even ''need'' it. There's really not a lot to most of these. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:07, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::I'm curious what would be the negative result of merging Alpha Trion's pages. The thing is that they ''are'' basically all identical barring the Shattered Glass version, and even that one is functionally the same guy, just evil. RID01, Energon, Animated and ROTF Alpha Trion are all footnotes, which just leaves us with G1 Trion (sometimes of the Thirteen), Aligned Trion (of the Thirteen), Cyberverse Trion (of the Thirteen) and One Trion (of the Thirteen). Is there some complicating factor that I'm missing...? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:38, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::: Honestly, I think this just sold me on the idea of merging all the Alpha Trion pages, including the Shattered Glass version, into one page. A Conceptual History section could explain his development from sage to member of the Thirteen, with a paragraph about his Shattered Glass version. [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 00:02, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:::::As I stated above, I used to be firmly against the idea of the Alpha Trions being merged, because of the facts that he wasn't originally supposed to be one of the Thirteen (a ship that has long since sailed), he was never a singularity like the other 13ers were (which no longer matters at all now since that concept was done away with), and he has a Shattered Glass version (but so too do Primus and Unicron, now, and their pages have set a good workable precedent for how to deal with SG versions of "set dressing characters" like them and the Thirteen). But now, as time goes on, the more it begins to feel like we're just keeping the Alpha Trions separate for more pedantic reasons than are necessary, especially since the AOTP toyline looks to be drawing influence from all continuities for its specific roster of the Thirteen, as if to say that the AOTP toys of the Thirteen represent *all* versions of the Thirteen (meaning AOTP Alpha Trion will represent *all* Alpha Trions).
:::::Sipher mentioned that conceptual history sections would only benefit a small number of the Thirteen, and, well, yes, that is a true statement. But the idea wouldn't be to give ''all'' of the Thirteen conceptual history sections, just the few that would need it. And a merged. But there being only a few that would need it no less diminishes the need of those few.
:::::However, I definitely draw the line at putting SG characters on the same webpages as their non-SG counterparts, as I go back to [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3Fthe original discussion about that very subject] and all the reasons given there (particularly from Steve-o, whom I already quoted above) for why SG characters should '''not''' share a webpage with their non-SG counterparts. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:47, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::::I feel like "they're all basically the same" is a charge that can be leveled at a lot of characters who are present in multiple continuity families. I'm all in favour of keeping non-entities to one page each, but Alpha Trion meets the threshold for actually having enough detail to have separate articles. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:32, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:My votes: No to splitting the 13 articles, yes for conceptual history, no to merging Trion (maybe expanding his disambig a la Sideways'?), no to moving the Fallen, maybe to changing his mainpic (compare to UT or Aligned characteers with major body changes - UT generally sticks with the Armada bodies, but Aligned favours Prime bodies over WFC). [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 18:01, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:I also think that it wouldn´t be appropriate to separate the pages of the thirteen and that the articles about Alpha Trion should be merged, after he become one of the 13 he has been mostly the same across all media. --[[User:MikeOsix|MikeOsix]] ([[User_talk:MikeOsix|talk]]) 20:57, 18 January 2024 (EST)
My vote is that we should keep Prime pages *mostly* non-split- I do, however, think there is merit to a "Conceptual History" part, going over different variations of the characters over the Years. I originally wanted Alpha's pages to be kept apart- but after some talking, I figure it's best for him to also enjoy a conceptual history rather than a disambiguation page. (I still love Disambiguation pages though.)
On The Fallen's page getting a Dreamwave-style picture: I give it a hard thumbs up. That seems to be the design Hasbro is sticking with compared to the skeleton-furnace guy from the movies. -- [[User:OptiMay Primal|OptiMay Primal]] ([[User talk: BattleBlade|talk]]) 21:54, 18 January 2024 (PST)
:I cannot see any benefit to smushing all of the Alpha Trion articles together. Every time this happens, we get a lengthy, unfocused mess of a page that wards off attempts at maintenance because it's so large. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:16, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::I'm personally against merging all the Trions, but I could be convinced if someone sandboxes a merged page first as a proof of concept. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:59, 24 January 2025 (EST)
At Cyberlink's suggestion, I've slapped together a rough prototype of a merged Alpha Trion suite broadly mirroring the Fallen's setup that can be seen–
:*'''[[Alpha Trion|HERE]]'''
Intro etc not final, of course. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 16:27, 24 January 2025 (EST)
:I like this. It's no longer or less focused than [[Unicron]], for example. I'm still kind of dubious about the need to exclude Shattered Glass versions from these cross-continuity characters, but at least SG Trion is more substantial than SG Unicron. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:31, 24 January 2025 (EST)
:Posting to confirm I'm in favor of this. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 12:49, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Yeah I like it too, when so many of his incarnations are so similar the unified article feels more user friendly [[User:LenaPrime|LenaPrime]] ([[User talk:LenaPrime|talk]]) 12:57, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Adding that I think this works pretty well. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 18:42, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Thought I'd stick my two cents in. I think this would work. If Unicron can have a merged page like this, then it should certainly work for Trion. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 23:44, 25 January 2025 (EST)
I've also started working on prototypes of rewrites / updates to Prima and The Fallen's pages, which can be seen...
:*'''[[User:Daytonjhammon/Sandbox/Prima|HERE for Prima]]''' and '''[[User:Daytonjhammon/Sandbox/The Fallen|HERE for The Fallen]]'''.
Discussion for The Fallen should probably stay on his [[Talk:The Fallen|own talk page]], but I'm linking them here since both have "conceptual history" sections I've drafted up. [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 13:50, 26 January 2025 (EST)

===Checkpoint 2 (05/05/2025)===
This definitely fell way off the agenda but there was sufficient interest that I believe it is worth circling back. Following Dayton's excellent work on Prima and the Fallen's Conceptual History section going live, the final point of order remains the prospect of merging Alpha Trion (with SG suite) to reflect his Aligned-forward characterization and bring him in line with the other 12 + 2 (Thirteen, Primus, Unicron) "man-shaped set dressing" characters.

Again, a full mock-up of this concept can be seen-

:*'''[[Alpha Trion|HERE]]'''

The current tally stands at:

:*'''Votes for merging Alpha Trion into one cross-continuity article with SG sub-page:''' 12 (Sabrblade, AzimuthAcolyte, Boingus, Broadside, Escargon, Ezim93, Daytonjhammon, MikeOsix, OptiMay Primal, LenaPrime, IGEBM13, Hilfam)
:*'''Votes against:''' 5 (abates, M Sipher, BattleBlade, Saix, Cyberlink420)

That's overwhelming support a ways past 2:1. Does anyone care to answer a last call for comment?

Suggestions or concerns for the prototype are particularly welcome. For my part I would appreciate assistance drafting a Conceptual History section. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:18, 5 May 2025 (EDT)
: Chipping in to reiterate that I'm in favour, though I'm unconvinced that the SG subpage is necessary. I do recognise that it's in line with how we currently treat Unicron, but like... is there anything we gain from having it be a separate page that we couldn't get from just putting "in one mirror universe, alpha trion was a real sicko!" at the top of the section? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (EDT)
::On principle alone, I'm against putting SG characters on the same pages as their non-SG counterparts, no matter what. The day we make such allowance for just one of them is the day we open the floodgates for potentially doing that for any and all SG characters. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:54, 6 May 2025 (EDT)
:::The (SG) system is simple. What exactly does messing with it accomplish? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:28, 8 May 2025 (EDT)
::::See, my understanding was not that SG characters are "special exceptions", it's that we treat Shattered Glass as its own continuity family (and likewise SG Animated, et al). It's not "messing with" the system to put the SG version of a character on a cross-continuity family page for that character. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:53, 13 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::It's messing with what Thylacine mentions for the sake of insisting on making categorization exceptions for the Thirteen. It's not useful to either editor or reader, especially if we're going to do the pointless lateral move that is "/Shattered Glass" anyway. (SG) is straightforward and easy to parse as opposed to "here's the explicitly negative AU guy buried here because arbitrary wiki reasons". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:42, 13 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Looks like it doesn't matter anymore, but the difference between SG and non-SG material - the whole fact that SG exists to be an irreconcilable opposite to G1 - is more fundamental and important than the sum total of all appearances and history of at least 10 of the 13. We should not be wiping away important conceptual distinctions for the sake of unimportant asterisk characters who basically only ever existed in a list. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:59, 13 May 2025 (EDT)

== International Sightings ==

So, as of late, mentions of "toy appeared in (non-US country) without prior announcement" type lines have been getting purged from the wiki. This makes me wonder: am I allowed to even mention them anymore when a new toy appears somewhere? I'm not really sure why these relatively harmless information lines are getting removed, nor am I really a fan of it, but if I can't mention them anymore I will happily oblige.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:04, 7 January 2025 (EST)
:They're being removed because "toy first showed up at a random store in Asia" is not useful information. That's how toy retail has worked for decades. Hasbro deigning to announce some product doesn't make it the standard. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:57, 7 January 2025 (EST)
::Oh, ok, I'll keep that in mind from now on.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 23:11, 7 January 2025 (EST)

==First revealed at (some regular online update)==
On a similar note to the international sightings, what do people think of "toy was first revealed in Hasbro Instagram post / Fans First Friday / Pulse livestream of whatever date," etc.? We note this constantly, because it's another fact to include about a just-announced toy nobody owns yet. A year later it looks unimportant. Is this something we like and value, or more of a space-filing habit? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:34, 8 January 2025 (EST)
:I think it's a lot of blather, but at least it's documenting Hasbro marketing as opposed to random retail appearances. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:25, 8 January 2025 (EST)
: I'm lukewarm at best on 'em. But often these announcements are followed up almost immediately by pre-orders opening up through official channels, and that feels a bit more... noteworthy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 12:31, 8 January 2025 (EST)
: Seems pretty relevant to me! There's value in preserving a toy's history, after all. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 10:14, 6 April 2025 (EDT))

==Update Navigation==
Should the Navigation sidebar be changed to replace [[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]] with [[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]] or should we wait a bit?--[[User:CyclonustheWarrior|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior|talk]]) 20:49, 2 February 2025 (EST)
:Good question. I think we could change it now since almost all of wave 1 is out at retail over in Asia, but I’ll wait for someone higher than me to make the final decision lol - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 23:10, 5 February 2025 (EST)

==Adding a "Transformers in [Country name]" section to country articles==
So, by some weird coincidence, a lot of my edits in these past months have involved expanding on the quirks of how individual aspects of the Transformers brand were represented in countries like [[Brazil]], [[Argentina]], [[Greece]], and [[Portugal]] - however; something that I've noticed is that there's usually no comprehensive summary of this information in the actual pages we have for those countries, with most or all of it being restricted to the individual articles regarding those things instead (for instance; Argentina had a whole three companies that produced Transformers toys with [[Antex]], [[Comando Toys]], and [[Lynsa]], but none of them are even mentioned in Argentina's page!). As such, and in the spirit of making our wiki more international, I propose that we add a small section to every country page specifically regarding the presence of the Transformers brand within it.

Some information that could go into these sections, if available (naturally, not ''everything'' here needs to be mentioned):
* When Transformers media first premiered in the country
* When Transformers toys first released in the country
* Previous releases of [[pre-Transformers]] in the country, if any (e.g.; Italy's ''Trasformer'', the UK's ''Convertors'', Finland's ''Diaclone'', etc.)
* Brands that might have made toys or merchandise for Transformers in the country, if any (e.g.; [[Estrela]] in Brazil, [[IGA]] in Mexico, [[GiG]] in Italy, [[El Greco]] in Greece, etc.)
* Notable figures, variants, and/or entire toylines that are exclusive to the country, if any (obviously, a fully comprehensive list would be difficult for a country like Japan, but it seems feasible for others here.)
* Transformers media that's unique to the country, if any (again; it would be hard to form a comprehensive list for Japan or the US, but it might not be too difficult elsewhere.)
* Peculiar quirks and factoids regarding the distribution of Transformers toys in the country, if any (e.g.; Galaxy Shuttle releasing in Italy, Star Saber releasing in Portugal, Spain's translated G1 blister cards, [[Sonokong]]'s many odd releases of Transformers toys in South Korea, etc.)
* Transformers-connected artists that were born in the country (e.g.; Brazil's [[Marcelo Matere]], Spain's [[José Avilés]], etc.)
* Perhaps some notable aspects of the fandom in the country (e.g., fan organizations, conventions - whether they're [[Convention|official]] or [[Unofficial conventions|unofficial]] - etc.)

Editing these sections could also make for a pretty fun multinational effort: certainly, Transformers fans from all over the world have pretty unique knowledge about the brand in their regions that's undocumented until now, and it would be pretty cool for them to visit the pages for their respective countries and see a section that basically invites them to add that knowledge. If this idea seems acceptable then I would be happy to move ahead with introducing the section to some of the countries that I'm most familiar with (mostly in Europe and Latin America) - let me know what everyone else thinks! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 10:07, 6 April 2025 (EDT))
:I like this idea! I think it’ll be really helpful for both readers and the site’s general organization to have information about international Transformers products and media on their respective countries’ pages. I’m not too well-versed in the foreign aspects of the brand outside of Japan, but I do know one piece of information we can add to Russia’s page is that ''Masterforce'' was the first show to air there :D - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 10:47, 6 April 2025 (EDT)
::I had no idea about that, how interesting! Hopefully more people can give the go-ahead to this. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:04, 6 April 2025 (EDT))
:::This strikes me as a proposal with a lot potential if we can get enough manpower behind it. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 17:00, 6 April 2025 (EDT)
:I've made versions of this proposed section for the Portugal, Spain, and Brazil pages, and posted them on [[User:FortressMaxxing/Sandbox|my sandbox]]. Any thoughts would be welcome! Also, shouldn't we maybe add the country flags to their respective pages? The Wikipedia SVGs are on public domain, so I guess we could just import those. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:43, 7 April 2025 (EDT))
::I like the way these early write-ups look, it could prove very interesting. Though we should only add the country flags if they appeared in fiction, as we do with the [[Soviet Union]] or [[United States of America]]. Otherwise it's just not important. Every country has a flag, you don't need to come ''here'' to look at them or find out their capital cities, populations, national birds, etc. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:01, 7 April 2025 (EDT)
:::I mean, if we're also to discuss the "meta" details of Transformers in the country - meaning that the pages are no longer restricted to just fiction - then I think it makes sense to at least have a country flag up on the opening paragraph, no? I'm not saying we need to add an Wikipedia-like infobox with the capital and population count and whatever else, but if we also have stuff like logos for companies in their respective pages then it makes sense to at least have what's basically the largest and most important international identifier that a country has attached to a page about it. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:29, 7 April 2025 (EDT))
:Given how there seem to be no objections to this project, I hope that it's fine to begin adding these sections to their respective pages during this weekend. I have added entries for Argentina, Italy, and Greece [[User:FortressMaxxing/Sandbox|to my sandbox]], so, together with the other three I previously shared; that will be six "The Transformers franchise in X country" sections coming from me - hopefully others will also be interested in adding similar sections to the pages of whatever countries they're most familiar with! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 18:37, 11 April 2025 (EDT))
::I think the names could be simplified to "Transformers in X". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:51, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:::That was actually close to the previous name I had in this topic ("The Transformers in X") before renaming it because I thought it could be a little ambiguous, haha - but actually, I think you're right, "Transformers in Brazil" / "Transformers in Greece" / etc. does sound better and I guess all the ambiguities are kinda cleared up in context of the contents of the sections themselves! "Transformers in X" it shall be then, I've now again renamed this topic accordingly. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 20:06, 11 April 2025 (EDT))
::::Yeah, it could be an ambiguous statement by itself, but we're not making "Transformers in Brazil" for all the fictional times Transformers characters appeared in Brazil because that's already covered by [[Brazil]] itself. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:29, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:Ayo, I posted the first batch of "Transformers in X" sections a few days ago in the [[Portugal]], [[Spain]], [[Italy]], [[Greece]], [[Brazil]], and [[Argentina]] pages! There are still way more countries that need a similar level of development and since I won't be able to do all of them alone, I wanted to highlight at least the most important ones in the hopes that maybe other users will have an interest in working on them. So, here are '''the pages that most urgently need a "Transformers in X" section''' (plus '''some of the things they should mention'''):

* [[Japan]], obviously: The birth of the transforming robot as a Japanese cultural product (see [[Yonezawa Toys|Yonezawa]] and some of the later transforming robot toys leading up to Takara's Cosmo Countach and eventually the Diaclone Car Robots), the country's transition from Diaclone to Transformers, the introduction of the original show to Japan, a brief mention of the original media and toylines that were only released there, an assessment of the popularity of the franchise in Japan relative to other 'giant robot'-centric media like Gundam and NGE (Also, I've noticed that there is already a small "non-fiction" section that briefly touches on the importance of Japan to the Transformers: it could be used as a starting basis, and I guess that it also suggests someone already had the idea for a similar wiki-project!)
* The [[United States of America|United States]], also quite obviously: Brief summarization of the birth and sustained popularity of the Transformers brand in America, the most prominent retail exclusives that were only launched in U.S. stores, BotCon and all the other big fan conventions
<s>* [[United Kingdom]]: Received a pair of pre-Transformers toylines with the Grandstand Convertors and Tandy's Galactic Man, the UK Marvel Transformers comic, large conventions like TFNation and TFUKcon</s> '''(Done!)'''
* [[France]]: Received a pre-Transformers toyline with [[Joustra|Ceji / Joustra]] releasing Diaclone, Orli Jouet's Robotrack, later Joustra-made G1 Transformers toys, original cartoon had a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itPo0Q9zmrc|a pretty funky unique theme song], major national toy company [[Majorette]] would briefly become a Transformers licensee in the 2000s
* [[Finland]]: Received a pre-Transformers toyline with Takara directly releasing Diaclone, "black Tracks" was unique to it (and later homaged with [[Loudpedal]])
* [[China]]: Hasbro factories, the Chinese G1 reissue toyline, the commercial success of Age of Extinction and how it brought about a sharp rise in the popularity of Transformers across the country, [[Nezha: Transformers (franchise)|Nezha]]
* [[South Korea]]: The unusual line-ups of [[Young Toys]] and [[Sonokong]], the mystery of [[ToonTown]]
* [[Mexico]]: [[IGA]] and their unique variants of G1 figures
* [[Venezuela]] (which somehow doesn't exist yet despite [[Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 17|already having an in-fiction mention]]?): [[Rubiplas]] made some unique Mini-Vehicles
<s>* [[Peru]]: [[Lynsa]] released multiple unique Mini-Vehicles in both countries, Museo Transformers</s> '''(Done!)'''
* [[Chile]]: Also received [[Lynsa]] Mini-Vehicles
* [[Vietnam]]: Major manufacturing hub for Transformers toys '''(Work in progress)'''
* [[Germany]]: GAMA's "Trans Robot" (pre-Transformers Omega Supreme), had the biggest Transformers convention in continental Europe until it dissolved not too long ago

:On an unrelated note, check out these fancy new GoBoxes down below! If anyone wants to do more in this style (quirky collage of country flag, plus national iconography, plus a Transformer toy that's emblematic of that specific country in some way) then that'd be pretty sweet! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 17:47, 16 April 2025 (EDT))
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[[File:GB-Portugal.jpg|link=Portugal]] [[File:GB-Greece.jpg|link=Greece]] [[File:GB-Brazil.jpg|link=Brazil]]
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::Hey, I noticed that a lot of your claims aren't really sourced, it would be nice if you could cite your sources for us. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 08:01, 21 April 2025 (EDT)
:::For sure! A lot of what's been added to these pages isn't cited because it is already discussed at greater length in their respective articles (and usually cited in said articles) - nonetheless; I will go ahead and add a more extensive round of sources soon. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 12:54, 21 April 2025 (EDT))
:::: Great! Remember to post about that here when it happens. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 13:45, 21 April 2025 (EDT)
::::: All done, I've provided as many citations for whatever information's more obscure or not as well-documented in the English web as I could! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 16:21, 21 April 2025 (EDT))
:::::: Thank you! I appreciate it, though I have noticed that your source about Portuguese people seeing Star Convoy on retail is only available to members of the Facebook group. I understand that information for things like this is hard to come by so if can't change it it's alright but it would be great if you could list a publicly available source instead. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 08:58, 22 April 2025 (EDT)
::::::: Oops, I didn't realize that Transformers Portugal was private on Facebook - but let this not be a problem, because I've just added a translated screenshot to that citation instead! Although I must also add that, unfortunately, I don't know how to really cite the later portion of that trivia - that Star Convoy is also really common on the Portuguese secondary market - because this is basically the product of my own personal experience of living in Portugal and seeing at least four loose Star Convoys on the Portuguese secondary market in the past couple of years across various occasions, all of them being the original version with the white trailer rather than the later reissue (thus suggesting that they come from the aforementioned retail distribution), and all of them being sold for really cheap prices rounding just ~20-40 euros from people who clearly did not know about this being an unusual toy (I got one myself one circa ~2022!). It's just that I frankly didn't know how to cite this in the page (Would "[[User:FortressMaxxing|This editor]] can attest to seeing an inordinate amount of Portuguese Star Convoy copies on the secondary market" be too anecdotal of a reference to have?), so... There's that. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 13:04, 22 April 2025 (EDT))
:::::::: Don't worry, the fist citation should be enough, now's the time to move on to the rest of the countries. I'm a bit busy at the moment but I might be able to take on the UK write up. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 13:53, 22 April 2025 (EDT)
::::::::: Sweet, I'll be excited to see what you write up! Tell us here when you do :) ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 13:58, 22 April 2025 (EDT))
:I made a first draft of the UK write-up at my sandbox [[User:Wildstrike/Sandbox/United_Kingdom|here]]. It is not at all done I'm passing this through the people to make sure I didn't get anything wrong, and to hear out any suggestions. Also I didn't mention the Tandy's Galactic Man figure because it doesn't seem to be exclusive to to the UK. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 11:14, 26 April 2025 (EDT)
::Hey, it's good, short but very well-cited! I do think Galactic Man merits at least a brief one-line mention since apparently the UK was the only other territory beyond the U.S. where it was released in (and also the UK Galactic Man might be slightly different, per how the pre-TF page describes him as [[Pre-Transformers#Pre-Transformers lines|"''almost'' identical"]]?), but otherwise, I have no disagreement with the information presented here. Very curious to see how you're gonna expand on that draft! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 18:46, 27 April 2025 (EDT))
:::Okay, I did a bit of research and according to the [https://astromagnum.blogspot.com/2024/04/galactic-man-tandy-radio-shack-shackwave.html Astro Magnum] blog the Tandy version of Galactic Man has slightly different packaging, different stickers, and is made of materials more resistant to the yellowing prevalent in the Radio Shack versions of the toy. I'll be sure to edit the draft when I have time. Also, I found about an [https://batterseapowerstation.co.uk/retailers/transformers/ official transformers store] at the Battersea power station which I plan on incorporating at some point. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 11:49, 28 April 2025 (EDT)
:Ooohh, here's a pretty cool thing that I found out which definitely should be added to the Peru page: there's a mall [https://www.facebook.com/MuseoTF with a Transformers toy museum within it], and apparently it's been in operation since 2020! It even features a display specifically for [https://scontent.flis9-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/483676983_1040341464571272_305592738604936521_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=OsCqdAxWZTQQ7kNvwGe1-WQ&_nc_oc=Adn6enKyI9P6hsp1VO2t492l7iu8t1CtWQCm3bbMYXOemGAOpKTj-0fB96Co-Jhqnm4&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.flis9-1.fna&_nc_gid=0aKRlr6ClLSdhzhjlFM8cA&oh=00_AfFq1ClChLr67ItyZAhHBe0MPRKxcrRFUfQLY48v0THRPA&oe=68149CCC Transformers stuff made in Peru], which I think would be a great photographic addition to the article :) ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 20:36, 27 April 2025 (EDT))

:I've finally expanded my write-up (link [[User:Wildstrike/Sandbox/United_Kingdom|here]]), and would like to receive comment on it if possible. As for the ''Transformers'' store I mentioned above, I'm not quite sure how to incorporate it into the rest of the article and am debating just leaving it in the notes section. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 12:06, 30 May 2025 (EDT)
::Hey, sorry for taking so long to review it but it's good! I think the Transformers store can be added as its own small (even if one-line) paragraph in the section, no need to throw it all the way down to notes when it's a definitely pretty relevant to the history of Transformers in the UK. Regardless, I'd say it's time to go live with that section! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 00:24, 12 June 2025 (EDT))
:::It's finally live baby! As you may have noticed, I decided to expand the section a little bit more and mention some of the other British people that have worked on Transformers over the years as well as [[BotCon Europe 1999]], I hope you're happy with all the changes. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 15:05, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:Per recent edits, I'm scratching out the UK and Peru pages off the list, as they now also have proper "Transformers in [Country]" sections (great job on the UK one by the way, it's pretty extensive and rich in information and I feel like I learned quite a few new things with it!). I also added Germany and Vietnam to the list, so if any TF fans from those nationalities are around to see this some help in filling those out wold be greatly appreciated! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 08:22, 18 June 2025 (EDT))

== Size of this page ==

Could someone archive the last year on this page? It's getting ridiculously long and is hard to scroll through. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 19:48, 15 April 2025 (EDT)
:Done. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:25, 15 April 2025 (EDT)

== ToonTown / Korean Transformers that might or might not be bootlegs ==
Hey, so... What do we do about [https://x.com/tfwiki/status/1036114311142363136?lang=ar this], and [https://lmb3.net/2024/12/29/blog-2500-toy-review-transformers-korean-modified-optimus-prime/ this], and [https://tformers.com/daily-prime-korean-generation-2-optimus-prime-gold-watch/43599/news.html this], and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYJ8Nev7DGo this]? It basically seems like there's a massive ambiguity as to whether or not these toys are bootlegs, and while at least one of them (see the recently-edited "Globo" section on the [[knockoff]] page) has distinct bootleg origins, it's also worth remembering that there is [[Radio AM Robot|at least one known case of a bootleg being later rebranded into an official Transformers toy]], so... Maybe this is not much of an indicator?

In the replies to that first tweet, there's a person who says that "[https://x.com/tfwiki/status/1036114311142363136/ Hasbro's legal stance is that if it has their copyright on the box, it is an official product. This is what they've told me in the past when inquiring about other products]". Assuming that this is the case, and given that all of these have a Hasbro copyright on their packaging despite how genuinely weird they are, should we add them to their respective character pages, as well as maybe creating a separate page for ToonTown as a Transformers-associated company? The [[Soundwave (G1)/merchandise#Transformers Gum|Soundwave]] and [[Starscream (G1)/merchandise#Transformers Gum|Starscream]] ''Transformers Gum'' tabs already mention their ToonTown releases, so it seems like it kind of follows to add the others, no? I've left them a mention on the knockoff page as of now, but it would be good to get a final decision as to where exactly they should stay on this wiki. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 21:58, 19 April 2025 (EDT))
:Decades ago, [[Raksha]] wrote that the Toon Town stuff had been released in both South Korea and Taiwan (https://web.archive.org/web/20080917123934fw_/http://www.plumed-serpent.com/swartifacts.html). Added to what you wrote above, I believe that is the sum of all the knowledge we have on the issue, so it would be hard to write an article about it. I agree that since we have the Soundwave and Starscream stuff, the other confirmed releases are fair game to include too. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:18, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
::Here's another one, this time not saying Toon Town, still showing the "real" logos and symbols, and said by its owner to be a knockoff: https://toy-wizards.com/2019/03/16/super-rare-korean-transformers-toys-at-tf-con-and-the-conspiracy-theory-behind-them/?amp I'm really drawing a blank on Toon Town and it is possible we will never get enough verified info to be worth an article here. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:53, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::One more source for now: http://fredsworkshop.com/vkorea.html --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:57, 7 May 2025 (EDT)

::::Argh, another, and with even more links at the bottom, and were no closer to a conclusive truth. http://fredsworkshop.com/vkorea5.html --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:05, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::For what it's worth, I think it'd be good to have a page laying out the ambiguity of the matter, explaining what we know and how hard to verify it all is. Sorta like the [[unknown Generation 1 animation studios]]. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 19:35, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::: Yeah, I'd agree with this. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:45, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
::::::: Seconding this, it seems like we have more than enough to at least create an article about this weird company that explains the ambiguity. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 01:15, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:Alright, as per the above discussion, the [[ToonTown]] article is now up! I didn't go over every source mentioned here yet and therefore still haven't added every ToonTown-branded figure to it (and neither to the character pages, the currently existing wikilinks just to go their broader toy sections for now), but hopefully this is a good start. Would love to see your contributions to this page, if you have any to give! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:09, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::Update, the remaining ToonTown toys and merchandise that I could find has also been added. Turn out to be a shorter affair than expected! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:53, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:::Thank you for setting this up so quickly! I am doing my best to state very clearly that these might or might not be legit, that if they're knockoffs they aren't like your typical ones... The last thing I'd ever want would be for this wiki to give people the sense that fake stuff was real, but we can present the nebulous case and leave it to readers to judge. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:58, 8 May 2025 (EDT)
::::All good! This is just such an interesting case that it does really feel like it needs to be in the wiki insofar as we don't know whether or not they're fake. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:07, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::Hey, Google Lens led me to the discovery of another ToonTown oddity and I'd love some community help in finding out more about it before it's added into the article: [https://m.blog.naver.com/eoiipp/130144214329 This Optimus Prime model kit] doesn't appear to be based on any Kabaya / Transformers Gum kit that I know of (and the Transformers Gum section on the Optimus merchandise page says that his ToonTown kit comes as a pack-in with Starscream rather than being a standalone like this one), and in fact; he actually looks to be fairly sizable and complex compared to the usual Kabaya affair. On [https://m.totoy.com/product/%EB%AF%B8%EB%8B%B4%EC%82%B0%EC%97%85-%ED%8A%B8%EB%9E%9C%EC%8A%A4%ED%8F%AC%EB%A8%B8-g2-%EB%A1%9C%EB%B4%87-%ED%8A%B8%EB%A0%88%EC%9D%BC%EB%9F%AC-%EC%98%B5%ED%8B%B0%EB%A8%B8%EC%8A%A4-%ED%94%84%EB%9D%BC%EC%9E%84/5333/ this listing] for the same kit, you can zoom in and see what seems to be the usual ToonTown / 3D Licensing International markings, but most importantly; both of those links identify him as being made by a company called "Midam Industry" which even seems to have its own unique logo on the upper right corner of the toys (albeit it's pretty difficult to make out with how low-res all these pictures are), but that I can't find anything about them on the web. Does anyone know more about this Midam Industry Optimus, as well as maybe potentially being aware of other kits from the same series? Cheers! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 16:46, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:::After searching for a little while, I believe that this is, in fact, the only Transformers kit released by Midam Industry (although it has a handful of variants!), thus; it - as well as a Midam Industry entry - has been added to their respective pages. I've taken the liberty to classify it as a toy rather than a piece of merchandise since it is, for the standards of a Transformers model kit, actually a fairly elaborate and fully-transforming model that doesn't really seem to count as "merchandise" in the same way that Transformers Gum stuff does (it doesn't even come with any food!) - hopefully others will be in agreement on this. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:16, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::::And, just as I thought I was done with editing the ToonTown page for the day, I realized that the packaging for these kits advertises other kits, even though no pictures of those seem to be available. Aw well, duty calls... ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:31, 8 May 2025 (EDT))

== Proposing a "The Transformers (Latin American toylines)" page ==
So the title is self-explanatory, but basically; I've noticed that our Generation 1 navbox is missing the many, many Latin American Transformers G1 toylines like those produced by [[Estrela]], [[Antex]], [[Lynsa]], [[IGA]], etc. Since there might be way too many for them to all to be individually listed in the navbox, and since we already have the "[[The Transformers (toyline)]]" (for the US toyline), "[[The Transformers (European toyline)]]", "[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1 (Japanese toyline)]]", and "[[The Transformers (Chinese toyline)]]" pages all on the navbox, shouldn't we also make a "The Transformers (Latin American toylines)" page where we list all of the known releases from the various Latin American toylines, with the eventual addition of some "Main article" tags for the manufacturers of each of those toylines? ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:49, 24 April 2025 (EDT))
:I don't think the toyline or name was consistent across Latin America, so it would be more "Generation 1 toylines in Latin America"?
::That's fair, it is true that most of them removed the 'The' prefix and were usually just called ''Transformers''. Since we don't use the ''The Transformers'' name for the Japanese toyline page then it does make sense to also not use it in this instance. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 22:33, 24 April 2025 (EDT))
:[[Generation 1 toylines in Latin America|Page has been made!]] ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 17:17, 25 April 2025 (EDT))

== Free Comic Book Day Worst Bot Ever preview ==

I know it’s standard procedure not to create articles for comic issues until the issue actually comes out, even if a small preview is officially released online. But I’m wondering if the Ballpoint preview issue should be an exception? It is just the online page preview Skybound put out a few months ago (I believe with a couple new pages), but since it is an officially released physical comic issue that new fans will be picking up and wanting to research, I figure there’s an argument to create the article now with what we know and simply update it when the graphic novel proper comes out. For now, the article would cover what’s in the FCBD issue, and when it comes out proper we’d add to/replace it with a full synopsis and include a note about how the first 16 pages were released on FCBD. Thoughts? [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 16:58, 3 May 2025 (EDT)

== Shattered Glass and cross-continuity-family pages ==

Felt like this was worth being discussed in its own section, so: at present, [[Unicron]], [[Primus]] and [[Alpha Trion]] all have dedicated "Shattered Glass" subpages suited out. They're unique in this respect; every other page for concepts that span multiple continuity families keep the Shattered Glass versions on the same page as everything else. A good example is [[Spark]]; even though Embers have a different name and are supposedly fundamentally different in the mirror universe, they still share a page. If we're going to treat Unicron, Primus and the Thirteen like cross-continuity concepts, rather than how we treat most characters, then I don't think we should make an exception to that for Shattered Glass.

To be clear, '''this is NOT proposing that we merge all Shattered Glass characters into their G1 counterparts'''. My position is that Shattered Glass is its own continuity family, and so we keep their pages separate, and I don't think there's something special about Shattered Glass that makes it an exception to what we're doing with the cross-continuity pages. Input would be appreciated. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:52, 14 May 2025 (EDT)
: I agree. Especially because Primus and Unicron have about a paragraph's worth of information on them each. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 18:21, 14 May 2025 (EDT)
: SG is different enough that the character pages should be separated somehow. Otherwise it’d be jarring for those unfamiliar with SG to have the one batshit crazy evil Alpha Trion in and amongst all the nice ones. Personally, I’m on the same boat as Sabrblade back up in the Thirteen discussion from a few months ago. I think suite pages are a useful tool, not a necessary evil. It’s somewhat subjective, but I can see suite pages used in this way for other cross-continuity concepts where one universe diverges far enough from the norm. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 18:49, 15 May 2025 (EDT)
::Moreso than one crazy evil [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] in and among all the nice ones? I don't think you're giving readers enough credit, frankly. If we opened the section "In one mirror universe, Alpha Trion was not a kindly mentor, but a cruel manipulator" I don't think anyone would think twice. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:25, 15 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Touché. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 02:04, 16 May 2025 (EDT)
:I was waiting to weigh in until the Alpha Trion merge was fully complete, but I now feel comfortable saying this strikes me as basically reasonable, both conceptually and in terms of the small volume of material involved. The Fallen's [[The Fallen#Shattered Glass|''Shattered Glass'' content]] is already folded into his main page by necessity, after all. I do think people might feel less skittish if we more clearly telegraphed that the 13+2 were unique character/concept article hybrids not to be used as precedent down the food chain. Maybe something like:
::* Category:Concept-Characters
::*With a description like, "These subjects act as facets of the ''Transformers'' brand's baseline worldbuilding first and characters in their own right second. For the defunct fictional concept riffing on this phenomenon, see [[multiversal singularity]]."
:Is that anything? --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:20, 26 May 2025 (EDT)
::I like that idea. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 20:52, 26 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Seems like an excellent idea to me! --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 00:07, 27 May 2025 (EDT)
::::Yeah, seems alright for now. However, I do think it's worth having some kind of plan in place in case a concept-character winds up getting expanded on in the future. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 04:50, 2 June 2025 (EDT)
::::: I do like the category idea. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:51, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
Last call for objections before I go ahead with this? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:01, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:I think there's an exception to be made for Alpha Trion, as the SG page is pretty long, and still incomplete, but otherwise, yeah; was surprised by how short SG Primus and Unicron's articles are. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 16:24, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:: It's not very long compared to the rest of the page, especially considering the toys are already on Trion's toys page. I feel like if we were gonna split a section off for length reasons it'd be Generation 1. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 20:55, 12 June 2025 (EDT)

== Interwiki link request ==

Having reached another milestone in my ongoing project to document the non-''Transformers'' [[back-up strips]] printed in the Marvel UK book, I'd like to request that tfuk.app (<tt><nowiki>https://tfuk.app/wiki/$1</nowiki></tt>) gets added to the interwiki table. Thanks. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 11:11, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
:Goddamn, this is an incredible amount of work: more than being added to the interwiki table, it frankly feels worthy of being pinned into the "sister wikis" section on the opening page. Great job! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 12:08, 20 May 2025 (EDT))
::Seconding Fortress on front page sister wiki status, frankly. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:31, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Thirded on adding it to the sister wikis list, that’s amazing. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 16:07, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Fourthing! -- [[User:DannyBoy|DannyBoy]] ([[User talk:DannyBoy|talk]]) 10:19, 21 May 2025 (EDT)
:That seems eminently reasonable: [[tfuk:Main Page|The Transformers UK Appendix]] --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:15, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Thank you! [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 17:32, 20 May 2025 (EDT)

== Skybound’s Marvel compendium edits ==

So I’ve got Skybound’s [[The Transformers Compendium Volume 1]] in hand and am reading it. I was under the impression that Skybound was, for the most part, just using IDW’s Classics reprint with maybe some polish here and there, but comparing Skybound’s version to the wiki notes about IDW classics edits, there are actually several changes from those that are going to need to be noted on each issue’s article. (For instance, the Wheeljack/Hoist panel comparison on [[I, Robot-Master!]] has a new color scheme to add to it.) Are we gonna want to make a new section on each article underneath the “Classics edits” one? Are we gonna want to wait until the Kickstarter-exclusive versions come out so we can do it all at once? (I’m just talking about differences I’ve noticed while ''skimming'' articles; I imagine there are lots more. This is the first time I’ve read the comic and thus I don’t have originals/IDW reprints to directly compare to. Just something I wanted to bring to your guys’ attention.) [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 02:04, 1 June 2025 (EDT)
:Making a new section under "Classics Edits" seems like the best move. As for the second question, I feel it would be best if we started making note of the changes now so that there will be less work to when the Kickstarter exclusives do release. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 04:58, 2 June 2025 (EDT)

== Continuity of origin listings? ==
I happened to see the [[Sentius Magnus]] and [[Sentius Malus]], and that sent me looking to see if there were any other new characters unique to [[Transformers: Earth Wars|Earth Wars]]. When I couldn't find any such listing, I realized I don't think we have any real way to identify original characters by their original continuity. Might it make sense to have, say, categories for brand-new characters that originated in each continuity? i.e. "Earth Wars original characters" or "IDW 2005 original characters" or "Marvel comics original characters", etc? Or, if not categories, some way of compiling that information? Also, to be clear, I wouldn't consider characters that began as toys to be original to whatever fiction they first appeared in; this would just be for the likes of the aforementioned Sentius twins, or [[Xaaron]], or [[Devcon (G1)|Devcon]], or [[Tarn (G1)|Tarn]]. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:29, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
:I think that would be a good idea, and very helpful organization-wise. (Also, you’re correct in that there are no other TFEW-original characters beyond maybe SB Optimus Prime and SB Megatron.) - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 09:09, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
: I feel that would be unnecessary, fans can find it out by looking at the work page. [[User:Vrung|Vrung]] ([[User talk:Vrung|talk]]) 16:53, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
::Unless there's a way I missed, the only way to "figure it out" by looking at the work page is to individually check the pages for every single listed character appearance to see if they've ever appeared anywhere else. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 20:33, 16 June 2025 (EDT)

==Concept characters and sorting by continuity family==
Based on discussions above, I've implemented [[:Category:Deep lore characters|Category:Concept characters]] to cover things like the Thirteen and Primus and Unicron. However, I've noticed that these pages seem to have been rearranged so they aren't sorted by continuity family, except in the case of the movie and Aligned families? I gather that it's to "preserve the flow of conceptual development", but that seems silly when we have "conceputal history" sections on the relevant characters. Other concept pages (e.g. [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] are sorted by family, so this just seems unintuitive. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 19:49, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:I agree; we've always tried to sort concepts and ideas by continuity family and it's more confusing if we start arbitrarily enforcing this standard on some pages but not on others. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 20:00, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::I concur that how we've been organizing big pages like this by continuity family makes sense, especially if they have "Conceptual history" sections. Like, it's weird to jump around from a G1 section, to a Beast Era section, to a UT section, and then back to a G1 section, then to a Movie section, then Aligned, then back to another G1, then back to another Movie, then back to G1 again, then Cyberverse, then G1 again, then another Movie, and so forth. Just let the "Conceptual history" sections do their job. And if there isn't one, then, well... why not make one? They only ''enhance'' each article that has one. I'd say an article like "[[Cybertron (planet)]]" could definitely benefit from a good "Conceptual history" section of its own. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 20:00, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:::Agreed on all fronts. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:20, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
I think if we're going to have cross-continuity pages for whatever reason, because the "continuity family" thing isn't working... why then organize the pages that way? "G1 continuity family" is a unit of wiki organization, not a Real Thing either narratively or creatively, unlike Aligned or Movieverse. That feels like trying to have our cake and eat it—either we're organizing things by continuity family or we aren't. IDW Megatronus is more linked to Aligned Megatronus than Dreamwave Fallen. Why does it make sense to put IDW and Dreamwave together in terms of the character? Forget arbitrary wiki categorization for a minute and ask what's the intended throughline there. Are we presenting the character's evolution in a logical way or are we simply sticking to continuity families because arbitrary wiki organization? (Also an excessive amount of tiny headers as you force them all down one level looks awful.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:00, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:I don't buy that "movieverse" is any less arbitrary than "G1 continuity family". None of the Alpha Trion entries sorted under "movie continuity family" have anything to do with each other. I would argue that using continuity families for these pages provides a reasonable measure of organisation to make it easier to find specific fiction entries rather than having to scroll through the entire history of the character. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 21:19, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::Not to beat the dead horse, but that's why we had separate pages in the first place. Movieverse fiction uses the movies as the fundamental springing board for their narrative (and is especially relevant to the Fallen). G1 does not have that and is purely organized by aesthetics and convenience. Why are Cyberverse, EarthSpark, and Wild King not "G1" while IDW1 is? Arbitrary convenience. Which is fine, but it still drills in the point that it's not a meaningful categorization narratively or creatively, especially if we're going to eschew it at the article level regardless. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:51, 18 June 2025 (EDT
:::I simply think we should be consistent about how we sort fiction sections within "concept" articles. To use [[Cybertron (planet)]] as an example again, should we no longer organise the fiction entries on that page by continuity family? If you think so, fine, but I think that's a poor idea. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 21:55, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::::That page seems to eschew the Fiction header in the first place (which does take care of my tiny header complaint, I suppose), so it's not quite consistent to begin with. But I don't really consider location and character pages to have the same considerations; Cybertron is pretty much the same across all continuities (backstory varies, yes, but mechanical homeworld of the Transformers is always the status quo) while characters are always shifting, changing, and bringing forward new ideas into next iterations. (Gun to my head, yes, I would prefer chronological, but planet articles are not a priority to me.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:09, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:::::Right, but the thing about the Thirteen et al is that they ''don't'' have the same considerations as other characters, so we treat them the same as other cross-continuity concept articles. I don't think they should have their own unique format that's the only thing on the wiki that ''completely'' eschews continuity families for organisation. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:59, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
Two questions: 1. Are we talking about just the organization of Thirteen/Primus/Unicron pages or across the board, new standard for all pages? 2. For either side (organize by continuity family vs organize by chronology/release date), are there examples of pages with either formatting that can serve as proof of concepts or visuals that show why that specific way is the better one? [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 21:15, 18 June 2025 (EDT)

Bit of an aside but is there a different or more distinct category name we could use? For me and most tf fans I know "Concept characters" brings to mind "concept art" characters, aka unused designs and the like. I think renaming it to "Cross-continuity concept characters" or something similar would make it clearer. —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 22:39, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:That would be fine by me, yeah. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:59, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::Yeah, this was the problem that jumped out at me when I first saw the term proposed. Some other suggestions: continuity-agnostic, pan-continuity, meta-continuity, conceptual, lore, mythological, cosmological, multiversal, archetypal, foundational. I don't have a strong preference, just throwing these out there. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 12:54, 19 June 2025 (EDT)
:::conceptual, lore, and mythological feel a bit too... intangible ig? multiversal is way too close to multiversal singularity imo. I'd say continuity-agnostic, pan-continuity or meta-continuity would all be good. (personally leaning towards meta-continuity) [[User:Arren1234|--Arren Meuchel]] ([[User talk:Arren1234|talk]]) 14:41, 19 June 2025 (EDT)

I'm definitely sympathetic towards [[User:Saix|Saix]] with regards to this specific change. The Thirteen are pretty much the tentpole for the "aligned" worldbuilding which pretty much marked the ''end'' of continuity families in the traditional sense, from a creative perspective at Hasbro (not that the concept was one they were considering to begin with). As he says, everything is G1 now, IDW is aligned, ''Cyberverse'' is IDW, and so on. After consideration I prefer the way he's laid it out. ''However'', there's also obviously an argument to be made from a wiki-consistency standpoint, and I want to state for the record that I don't think such a major reorganisation of those pages' contents should have been implemented without a consensus being reached on talkpages ''first''. This should have been a sandboxed proposal, not just something that was done hoping nobody would notice or care enough to raise an objection themselves. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 12:54, 19 June 2025 (EDT)

I apologize if I'm a bit off-base here, since I haven't been following these discussions as closely as some, but it seems to me that there are fundamentally two different things that are being presented here: the evolution of the character concept, and the actual fictional history of the various iterations of the character. If that's the case, wouldn't a good solution be to make a separate section for the former while continuing to organize the latter by continuity family like every other page? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 14:57, 19 June 2025 (EDT)

== Commentary trivia ==

Something I find a bit sad is commentary sounding Trivia having to be deleted from episode pages. Those are funny and can be interesting to see, shame they also hog space. Can there be a middle ground where I cam dump them into, say, wild king episodes Synopsis without sounding...unprofessional? (Because the commentary is one of the best parts of some episode descriptions...)[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 00:02, 3 July 2025 (EDT)

== Mentioned characters ==

Something I did back when I was revamping our coverage of the BotCon/Club stuff was add a "mentioned characters" section to the notes; for examples, see [[Cybertron's Most Wanted]], [[Gone Too Far]], and other stories linked to on the [[Transformers Timelines (fiction)]] page. It's something that we lack on other pages, and I think that it's worth implementing; in particular, when looking through some of James Roberts' work recently for a side project, I was struck by how often characters that otherwise never appear on page are mentioned. What I wanna propose is adding something like to this our media pages in general.

The Problem: I think that the benefits speak for themselves, but it does also come against the fact that we have hundreds (if not thousands) of episodes/comics/other media by this point, and that it's going to be a non-trivial amount of work getting this up to speed. For that reason, I don't really think a template is the best way to go about, especially if they're going to be sitting empty until someone goes back to read those comics or rewatch that episode or whatever. What I do think might be worth considering is that we add in something about doing it for media pages in their notes section here on out, so that we can have a headstart on at least the currently published stuff; once it becomes something feasible for a template on various pages, then I think we can revisit that idea. For my end, I've been contemplating a re-read of the comics for a few years now, and I'm more than happy to add stuff over the time I do that.

If anyone has any suggestions or comments, please respond here. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:22, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
:I always liked how Wookieepedia lists every proper noun in "Appearances" sections ([https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_V_The_Empire_Strikes_Back#Appearances example]). I think this concept should expand to include locations, weapons, et al.—basically everything we would make a page for. Yes, it's work to add stuff, but that's editing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:32, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
::That sounds like something that could be pretty beneficial information-wise, even if it’s a lot of work. I can definitely start doing something like it for my ''Earth Wars'' write-ups as I go through the event stories. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 10:49, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
:I definitely remember thinking—back when you were regularly working on the Fun Publications pages—that your exhaustive approach to filling out the notes sections with mentioned characters and concepts was ''really useful'', but that it could stand to be formalised in some way. As you say, it'd be a huge amount of work to bring articles for even the most popular stories up to that standard. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 11:20, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
::I agree this is something it would be valuable to do going forwards. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]])

== Plagiarism on the other site ==
Basically every EarthSpark character page on the other site is a copy-paste of our own. Some of Cyberverse too. Do we care about this? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:34, 11 July 2025 (EDT)
:I think the important first question is whether there's any attribution (though I assume the answer will be no). -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 15:53, 11 July 2025 (EDT)
::As in, "this was written by TFWiki" or "this is a unique article we here at Fandom invented"? We can see which users have been doing the copy-pasting. There's one in particular who pasted in Earthspark content (just choose a character), another who has been doing some weapons (i.e. [[Electro-scrambler]]). I know full well that fan wikis tend to get copied, so if our position is to simply disregard everything Fandom does, we can stick to that. But their site has, supposedly, had a black-and-white policy dating right back to the split that copying from us is not allowed. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:29, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
:::I think it could be to try and make the fandom wikis page look as good the pages here are. I confess, I did the same to bulbapedia and the fandom pokemon wiki.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 13:12, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
:::I see no reason to not make a stink about it to whatever passes for admin there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:14, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
::::Thylacine - According to CC BY-SA 3.0, they are free to copy our material as long as they provide credit that it was copied from us. If they ''don't'' do that, and I'm very much assuming they don't, then we should absolutely raise hell about it, as M Sipher suggests.
::::As an example, after Wowpedia moved to wiki.gg and became Warcraft Wiki, Fandom put a blanket ban on linking to wiki.gg (for bullshit reasons) and so we've been aggressively deleting any Wowpedia pages that were copied from us because they are functionally unable to provide proper attribution and their staff fucked up and never depowered one of our admins. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 14:31, 13 July 2025 (EDT)a
:::::They are definitely not providing any credit, and they also still have ''as their very first listed policy'' "no copying from Wikipedia or TFWiki." transformers dot fandom dot com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki:Policies#Plagiarism --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:29, 13 July 2025 (EDT)

Their site lists four admins, of whom two are obviously long retired. One who was last active in May is the source of some of the plagiarism, and also showed themself to be unresponsive to multiple direct questions posted on their wall by Fandom higher-ups. That leaves the one who was last active in June. I wrote that one a message summarizing all this as best I can, bearing in mind that systematically comparing pages on some other peoples' wiki is not at all something I am interested in doing. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:02, 14 July 2025 (EDT)
:Honestly, failing any response from their admins (which I will imagine will be the case), I think anyone happening to spot plagiarised material can happily just go ahead and delete it on the spot, citing their own policy of not copying from TFWiki. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 10:11, 14 July 2025 (EDT)
::A response: transformers dot fandom dot com/wiki/Message_Wall:Moviejunkie2009

::I msged the other suggested admins, no response. I did NOT msg the suggested Fandom "community manager" because they have no reason to help us, if anything I expect their response would be to simply erase the relict, circa-2008 anti-plagiarism policy that the current community knows nothing about.

::I do ''not'' enjoy scanning their New Articles page every day and maxing out my allowed daily edits by blanking the neverending incoming pasted pages. I am going to stop doing this. It pisses me off that a zero-effort community can ignore its own rules and steal our work, but it feels even worse to compulsively devote my free time to marginally cleaning up a zero-effort community's messes. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 20:07, 17 July 2025 (EDT)

== The General commercial with Bumblebee and Shaq ==

I think we should have information on this commercial for The General with Bumblebee and Shaq:

https://tformers.com/watch-bumblebee-shaq-acting-up-in-new-the-general-insurance-spot/55134/news.html
--[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 13:11, 26 July 2025 (EDT)

== Maintenance heads up ==

Just to let everyone know, I'm going to take the site offline temporarily in about an hour for maintenance. Should not be offline for too long, hopefully. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:24, 29 August 2025 (EDT)
:And we're back. Thank you for your patience.--[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:43, 29 August 2025 (EDT)
::Thank you for your work, abates! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:53, 29 August 2025 (EDT)

== Coverage idea ==

We should add a "Major events" section to the episode articles. It helps keep track of events alongside continuity notes and could help finding specific episodes better.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 19:07, 16 September 2025 (EDT)
:Struggling to picture what exactly that would look like. --[[User:Arren1234 |Arren Meuchel]] [[User_talk:Arren1234 |(talk)]] 15:07, 17 September 2025 (EDT)
::Like a Major Events header, then the body text is any important Events that happen in the episode. (E.g. Darkest Hour in TFP: The autobot base is destroyed)[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 01:38, 13 October 2025 (EDT)
:::Perhaps you could put together an example on a sandbox page? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 06:55, 14 October 2025 (EDT)

== Overview of pre-TF page ==
Hey, just posting here to provide a wiki-wide notification of sorts that I started an "Overview" section on the [[Pre-Transformers]] page and it's in dire need of some chunks of summarized information primarily regarding Diaclone and Micro Change and their respective Transformers localizations, as per the various stub markers left in specific sections. It feels like that page has been needing a proper written history of pre-TFs for a while now, so if anyone could help me fill it out then I'd be glad! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 22:14, 12 October 2025 (EDT))
:I'll see about taking a crack at the Diaclone bits as I can. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 00:37, 13 October 2025 (EDT)
::Thank you for volunteering, and wow, I had no idea about [[Horloge Robot]]: his page has now been made! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 05:06, 13 October 2025 (EDT))
:::Wahey, thank you! As you can imagine I'd been meaning to get around to that for ages. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:45, 13 October 2025 (EDT)

Hasbro Pulse

2025-10-07T09:59:36Z

Omegatron: /* HasLab */

{{disambigr|HasLab|the department of Hasbro|HasLab (Hasbro department)}}

[[File:Hasbro Pulse.jpg|thumb|300px|"There are 195 countries in the world." "Huh, I thought there were 34."]]

'''Hasbro Pulse''' is the current official [[Hasbro]] web store for the United States, United Kingdom, Canada (excluding Quebec), and the entire European Union, and formerly for Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, and Taiwan. Aimed specifically at adult fans, Pulse's product selection consists mostly of collector-focused toylines, such as ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Transformers: Generations]]''.

==History==
The Hasbro Pulse name was originally used for the company's collector-focused news website, which launched on [[June 25]], [[2015]].<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/hasbro-pulse-is-live-get-info-directly-from-hasbro/33311/ Hasbro Pulse is LIVE ... get info directly from Hasbro]</ref> Visitors who signed up to receive updates from Pulse were sent a free welcome package featuring, among other items, an exclusive variant cover of [[IDW Publishing]]'s [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'' (2012)]] [[You, Me, and the Universe|#41]].<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/hasbro-pulse-welcome-packages-arriving-now/33465/ Hasbro Pulse Welcome Packages Arriving Now]</ref>

On [[February 15]], [[2019]], one day before the start of New York [[Toy Fair 2019]], Hasbro Pulse was relaunched as Hasbro's new web store, replacing the [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] website that had closed down the previous month<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/hasbro-pulse-is-the-new-hastrotoyshop-with-preorders-on-new-mps-siege-and-more/42932/ Hasbro Pulse is the New HastroToyShop with Preorders on New MPs, Siege and More]</ref> (Hasbro Toy Shop still remains as a store on [[eBay]]).

On [[June 26]], [[2020]], Hasbro debuted the first ''Transformers'' themed "Fan First Friday" feature.

On [[August 31]], [[2020]], Hasbro announced [[Hasbro PulseCon 2020]], which happened on [[September 25]] and [[September 26|26]]<ref>{{citesocial|quote=2 epic days. All your favorite brands. Reveals. Exclusives. And SO 👏 MUCH 👏MORE 👏. This is the one virtual event you do not want to miss! (for US & CAN fans only) https://t.co/Z3hPBrl3ez #HasbroPulseCon #HasbroPulse #Hasbro https://t.co/UUojPvRSVe|link=https://twitter.com/Hasbro/status/1300434043473977344|name=Hasbro|site=Twitter|year=2020|month=08|day=31|(defunct=)}}</ref> in lieu of any in-person convention during the {{w|COVID-19 pandemic}}.

On [[March 10]], [[2021]], Hasbro Pulse opened its doors to the United Kingdom.<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=295676998645588/ Hasbro Pulse UK Creative Launch on Facebook]</ref>

On [[March 15]], [[2021]], Hasbro announced [[Hasbro Pulse Fan Fest 2021]], which happened on [[April 9]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The HYPE is real, fans! Tune in Friday, April 9th, beginning at 11:00am ET for the FIRST EVER #HasbroPulse Fan Fest! Gear up for product reveals, interactive experiences, & more from your favorite brands. You don't want to miss this! https://t.co/h1zhXUZbwS #HasbroPulseFanFest https://t.co/y3KLNJnCzY|link=https://twitter.com/Hasbro/status/1371511107752460292|name=Hasbro|site=Twitter|year=2021|month=03|day=15|(defunct=)}}</ref>

On [[August 20]], [[2021]], Hasbro announced [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2021]], which happened on [[October 22]] and [[October 23|23]].

On [[August 28]], [[2021]], the Hasbro Pulse YouTube channel uploaded the entire first season of ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]]'' for free streaming. The remainder of the show was subsequently added to the channel at a rate of one season per week.

On [[November 10]], [[2021]] the Hasbro Pulse YouTube channel began uploading a series of [[The Transformers: The Movie 35th Anniversary Stop Motions|stop motion shorts]] to celebrate the 35th anniversary of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.

On [[October 10]], [[2021]], the Hasbro Pulse mobile app launched.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/hasbropulse/posts/4904847126214856</ref>

On [[March 30]], [[2022]], Hasbro Pulse opened its doors to Germany.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=It is official! #Hasbro Pulse is now live in #Germany! As with #HasbroPulse in US, Canada and UK, Hasbro Pulse Germany will feature exciting new product releases and host programs specifically for the collector community! https://t.co/XFbCteKCGy https://t.co/zWvDglatVx|link=https://twitter.com/HasbroPulse/status/1509140319593455619|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Twitter|year=2022|month=03|day=30|(defunct=)}}</ref>

On [[July 19]], [[2022]], Hasbro announced [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2022]], to be held [[September 30]] and [[October 1]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=We're excited to announce HASBRO PULSE CON is BACK! Save the date - Friday September 30th and Saturday October 1st. Register to stay in the loop at https://t.co/cnihyz08Nq https://t.co/JrmvDgXVA4|link=https://twitter.com/HasbroPulse/status/1549514517926871041|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Twitter|year=2022|month=07|day=19|(defunct=)}}</ref>

On [[September 21]], [[2022]], Hasbro Pulse opened its doors to France, Spain, Italy, and Austria.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Exciting news, EU fans! The #HasbroPulse expansion continues and we are now LIVE in France, Spain, Italy, and Austria! We are so pumped to be able to bring Hasbro Pulse to more fans worldwide, and just in time for #HasbroPulseCon2022! https://t.co/B3SgUaYFuQ|link=https://twitter.com/HasbroPulse/status/1572617102766362626|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Twitter|year=2022|month=09|day=21|(defunct=)}}</ref>

On [[May 6]], [[2023]], Hasbro Pulse opened its doors to Hong Kong, Singapore, and Malaysia.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://twitter.com/HasbroPulse/status/1654861076683706375|quote=Exciting news! The #HasbroPulse expansion continues and we are now LIVE in #HongKong, #Singapore, and #Malaysia! We are thrilled to be able to bring Hasbro Pulse to more fans worldwide. http://sg.hasbropulse.com http://my.hasbropulse.com http://hk.hasbropulse.com|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Twitter|year=2023|month=05|day=06|(defunct=)}}</ref>

On [[July 12]], [[2023]], Hasbro Pulse opened its doors to the remainder of the European Union (Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, and Sweden).<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://twitter.com/HasbroPulse/status/1679120755131392000|quote=Exciting news for our fans in the EU! 🌍 We're thrilled to announce that #HasbroPulse is expanding its reach into all countries. Now you can order your favorite products from Hasbro Pulse and have them shipped directly to your doorstep! See http://eu.HasbroPulse.com for more!|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Twitter|year=2023|month=07|day=12|(defunct=)}}</ref>

On [[July 26]], [[2023]], Hasbro Pulse opened its doors to Taiwan.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://twitter.com/HasbroPulse/status/1684187683915014150|quote=More exciting news! Fans in Taiwan, #HasbroPulse is now live and ready to add to your growing toy collection! Shop your favorite brands and more! Head over to http://tw.HasbroPulse.com now to check it all out!|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Twitter|year=2023|month=07|day=26|(defunct=)}}</ref>

On [[January 9]], [[2025]] Hasbro Pulse Asia announced it would be shutting down, with the last orders being taken on [[February 7]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Hasbro Pulse was introduced in Asia with the goal of delighting our fans by offering convenient access to some of our best products, including our unique and exclusive HasLab Crowd-Funded Products. After careful consideration, we have made the difficult decision to pause our Pulse operations in Asia at this time. We appreciate your business and value your passion for our brands. From 10 January 2025 at 9am GMT+8, Hasbro Pulse Asia …. will continue to take orders on pre-order items until 12 January 2025 at 11.59pm GMT+8; and orders on in-stock items until 7 February 2025 at 11.59pm GMT+8. Thereafter, customers will not be able to place any more orders.|link=https://news.tfw2005.com/2025/01/09/hasbro-pulse-asia-shutting-down-529371|site=TFW2005|title=Hasbro Pulse Asia Shutting Down|year=2025|month=01|day=09|(defunct=)}}</ref>

==Livestreams==
===Virtual conventions===
[[File:Hasbro PulseCon 2020 Logo.jpeg|thumb|300px]]
Due in no small part to the onset of the {{w|COVID-19 pandemic}}, the [https://www.youtube.com/@hasbropulse Hasbro Pulse YouTube page] has become the default venue for Hasbro's fan oriented conventions from 2020 onward, including:

* [[Hasbro PulseCon 2020]]
* [[Hasbro Pulse Fan Fest 2021]]
* [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2021]]
* [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2022]]
* [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2023]]
* [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2024]]

{{--}}

===Fan First Friday===
[[File:FanFirstFriday logo.jpeg|thumb|300px]]
Fan First Fridays are streaming events that originally started on Hasbro Pulse's Facebook and eventually, their YouTube channel, where Hasbro employees reveal new toy product and other merchandise for one of their various toy-lines—typically from franchises like ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]], [[Transformers brand|Transformers]]'' and ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]''. ''Transformers'' streams are primarily for exclusive toys, though mass-retail products and other merchandise are occasionally revealed, namely ''[[Studio Series]]''. Fan First Fridays also occasionally share in-universe insight, such as what went down between ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Earthrise]]'' [[Runamuck (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy marketing material|Runamuck]] and [[Runabout (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy marketing material|Runabout]]. Fan First Fridays were eventually given the more generic moniker "Transformers Fanstreams" after scheduling conflicts produced an untenable series of Fan First Ftuesdays and Fthursdays.

* [[June 26]], [[2020]]'s [https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=watch_permalink&v=267951300956442 "Hasbro Pulse Fan First Friday: Transformers Livestream - June 26, 2020"] on Facebook, with [[Rachel Fleming]] and [[Lenny Panzica]].
* [[July 17]], 2020's [https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=watch_permalink&v=1603752926450041 livestream] on Facebook, with Rachel Fleming and [[Mark Maher]].
* [[October 16]], 2020's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkJOmYkcMtY "Hasbro Pulse | Fan First Friday: Transformers Livestream"] on YouTube, with Rachel Fleming, [[Evan Brooks]], and [[Amanda Granato]].
* [[November 13]], 2020's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZKZAAh79Ok "Hasbro Pulse | Fan First Fridays: Transformers & Ghostbusters | Event One"] on YouTube, with Rachel Fleming, [[Sam Smith]], and [[John Warden]].
* [[May 21]], [[2021]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txGS01bXx9U "Hasbro Pulse | Fan First Friday: Transformers Livestream"] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]] and Evan Brooks.
* [[August 13]], 2021's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-r_ueBc4R0 "Fan First Friday | Transformers Livestream"] on YouTube, with Evan Brooks, Ben MacCrae, and [[Isabella Weiss]].
* [[August 27]], 2021's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_TWf9if4d8 "Hasbro Pulse | Fan First Friday | Transformers Livestream"] on YouTube, with Evan Brooks and Ben MacCrae.
* [[February 4]], [[2022]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_jRsZDV9FI "Fan First Friday | Transformers Livestream"] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae, Isabella Weiss, Sam Smith, Mark Maher, and Evan Brooks.
* [[April 12]], 2022's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MExpXH9zAg Fan First Tuesday | BACK-TO-BACK Transformers & Power Rangers Livestream] on YouTube, with Isabella Weiss, Rachel Fleming, Mark Maher, and [[Takio Ejima]].
* [[June 23]], 2022's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-vNMsLdhXo Hasbro Pulse | Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae, Isabella Weiss, and Mark Maher.
* [[August 16]], 2022's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxRrhLJ1KH0 Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae, [[Delaney Norris]], Sam Smith, Evan Brooks, Isabella Weiss, and Mark Maher.
* [[November 29]], 2022's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHzcEhQ5Ifo Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae and Evan Brooks.
* [[January 31]], [[2023]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l33J9hIaQm8 Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with Delaney Norris, Evan Brooks, Mark Maher, and Ben MacCrae.
* [[April 4]], 2023's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qv8dh66d48 Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae, Evan Brooks, Mark Maher, Sam Smith, [[Shogo Hasui]], and Delaney Norris.
* [[May 16]], 2023's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPFnqhvXhTs Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with Evan Brooks, Ben MacCrae, and [[Sixo]].
* [[June 20]], 2023's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjLY0uamTKM Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae, Mark Maher, Evan Brooks, and [[Rich Pellegrino]].
* [[November 14]], 2023's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClqPbfd2hcg Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae, Mark Maher, and Evan Brooks.
* [[January 30]], [[2024]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sodl6lRkifQ Hasbro Pulse | Transformers: Legacy RID 2001 Omega Prime HasLab Fanstream | January 2024] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae and Evan Brooks.
* [[March 7]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pkz6oTI7W4 Hasbro Pulse | Transformers 40th Anniversary Fanstream | March 7, 2024] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae, Evan Brooks, and Mark Maher.
* [[March 14]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESK6ZEhqM5Y Hasbro Pulse | Transformers 40th Anniversary Fanstream | March 14, 2024] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae, Evan Brooks, and Mark Maher.
* [[March 21]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPkQZZ4zasE Hasbro Pulse | Transformers 40th Anniversary Fanstream | March 21, 2024] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae, Mark Maher, and Evan Brooks.
* [[March 28]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlrpW_ZFKvE Hasbro Pulse | Transformers 40th Anniversary Fanstream | March 28, 2024] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae, Evan Brooks, Mark Maher, [[Kelly Rose]], and [[Matt Ferguson]].
* [[April 25]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s06YE02e844 Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream | April 2024] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae, Mark Maher, and Evan Brooks.
* [[May 14]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOXZGDHebTk Hasbro Pulse | Transformers Fanstream | May 2024] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae, Evan Brooks, and Kelly Rose.
* [[January 14]], [[2025]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc5mkAAGzyE MASSIVE Transformers Tuesday! In-Hand Product Showcase and Pre-orders | Hasbro Pulse] on YouTube, with [[Nate Purswell]], Mark Maher, and Evan Brooks.
* [[June 10]], 2025's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEAkXHAU034 Transformers Fanstream | June 2025 | Hasbro Pulse] on YouTube, with Nate Purswell and Mark Maher.
* [[June 24]], 2025's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaPi02SMMSo Transformers Studio Series Fanstream | June 2025 | Hasbro Pulse] on YouTube, with Nate Purswell and Evan Brooks.
{{--}}

===1027 Premium Events===
Named after the street address of Hasbro's Rhode Island headquarters, the 1027 Premium Events have been annual streams that, naturally, occur on [[October 27]]. Most if not all of Hasbro's current "collector" brands are represented, including Transformers. They are nominally meant to be exclusive to Hasbro Pulse Premium subscribers, but as they are streamed on YouTube, there is technically nothing preventing anyone who has a link from watching them. And the archive goes up for everyone afterwards anyways, soooooo...

* October 27, 2021's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayC90jNQ2EM 1027 Hasbro Pulse Premium Event] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae.
* October 27, 2022's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-tJqD8UECc 1027 Hasbro Pulse Premium Event] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae and [[Thew Adams]].
* October 27, 2023's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQDGvr0oGqs 1027 Hasbro Pulse Premium Event] on YouTube, with Mark Maher and Ben MacCrae.
* October 27, 2024's [https://youtu.be/70HJMtOWpk0?si=2oTW4ASEa32kacga&t=1092 1027 Hasbro Pulse Premium Event 2024!] on YouTube, with [[Nate Purswell]], Evan Brooks, and Mark Maher.

===Additional livestreams and videos===
Additional Hasbro Pulse streams and interviews relating to the ''Transformers'' brand occasionally occur outside of the Fan First Friday and Pulse Con umbrellas.

* [[September 22]], [[2021]]'s [https://twitter.com/JustChrisSabat/status/1440737824861343748 "Haslab Transformers Live Stream"] on Twitter, hosted by voice actor {{w|Christopher Sabat}} with Amanda Granato and Evan Brooks.
* [[October 5]], 2021's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TGXJ0qrB1s Interview with Transformers HasLab Victory Saber Designer, Yuki San!] on YouTube, with [[Hisashi Yuki]].
* [[February 24]], [[2022]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX8U26ul8cM Hasbro Pulse G.I. Joe 40th Anniversary Livestream] on YouTube, with Lenny Panzica and the rest of the [[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]] team, featuring the reveal of ''[[Transformers Collaborative]]'' ''G.I. Joe × Transformers'' [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#Collaborative|Megatron H.I.S.S. Tank]] and [[Baroness#Collaborative|Baroness]].
* [[December 9]], 2022's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QIKD59E5Kc Let's Say Go! Takara Tomy's Yuki San talks Transformers Generations Deathsaurus] on YouTube, with Hisashi Yuki.
* [[February 21]], [[2024]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqvJx2CNWP0 Hasbro Pulse | Transformers HasLab: Legacy RID 2001 Omega Prime | Painted Model Reveal] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae and Evan Brooks.
* [[August 24]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H_vyd7kkPQ The Voice of Bumblebee: Interview with Dan Gilvezan | Transformers G1 | 40th Anniversary] on YouTube, with, uh, [[Dan Gilvezan]].
* [[August 31]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGhIYCQQ4Ek The Voice of Grimlock: Interview with Gregg Berger | Transformers G1 | 40th Anniversary] on YouTube, with [[Gregg Berger]].
* [[September 4]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx8nETMBWgE Voice of Starscream: Interview with Frank Todaro | Transformers G1 | 40th Anniversary] on YouTube, with [[Frank Todaro]].
* [[September 7]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-EalwcimBs Voice of Jazz: Interview with Arif S. Kinchen | Transformers G1 | 40th Anniversary] on YouTube, with [[Arif S. Kinchen]].
* [[September 11]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AEKrTJ1wPE The Voice of Perceptor: Interview with Paul Eiding | Transformers G1 | 40th Anniversary] on YouTube, with [[Paul Eiding]].
* [[September 14]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF9aT13zMXw The Voice of Prowl: Interview with Michael Bell | Transformers G1 | 40th Anniversary] on YouTube, with [[Michael Bell]].
* [[September 17]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uONSlRiYhNA The Voices of Optimus Prime & Megatron: Interview with Frank Welker & Peter Cullen | Transformers G1] on YouTube, with [[Frank Welker]] and [[Peter Cullen]].
* [[October 4]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9f3SYMVDJI Exclusive First Look! Transformers: Legacy Robots in Disguise 2001 Omega Prime HasLab EP-1 Sample!] on YouTube, with Evan Brooks.
* [[January 10]], [[2025]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDy2WuiQumE Transformers: Legacy Robots in Disguise 2001 Omega Prime HasLab - Official Unboxing!] with [[Emily Bader]] and Evan Brooks.
* [[March 21]], 2025's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz2yKzGnvyg Final Days to Back #Transformers #HasLab Liokaiser—See What’s New!] with Emily Bader and Evan Brooks.

====San Diego Comic-Con 2022====
* [[July 21]], 2022's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_th5dYkg2Cc HASBRO PULSE SDCC 22 FANSTREAM | TRANSFORMERS Shattered Glass Reveal] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae and Evan Brooks.<ref>Isabella Weiss was also present at the panel, but did not make it into the four minutes of footage before the stream died. RIP.</ref>
* [[July 22]], 2022's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWons1-BPWo Hasbro Pulse SDCC 22 FANSTREAM | Transformers Victory Saber Haslab Unboxing] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae and Evan Brooks.

====Singapore Comic Con 2023====
* [[January 16]], [[2024]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iU32kaSXEI Hasbro Pulse | Transformers Legacy United Titan Class Armada Universe Tidal Wave | SCC Reveal] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae and Sam Smith.<ref>This was a delayed upload of the ''Transformers'' panel streamed remotely at [[Singapore Comic Con#2023|Singapore Comic Con 2023]] on [[December 9]] and [[December 10|10]], 2023.</ref>

====WonderCon 2024====
* [[April 1]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-ty-k7mjjo Hasbro Pulse | WonderCon Hasbro Action Brand Panel | 2024] on YouTube, with Ben MacCrae and a bunch of other Hasbro marketers not on ''Transformers''.

====San Diego Comic-Con 2024====
*[[July 26]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhr2IVb0v-M Sit Down with Hasbro Product Designers: Lenny & Evan @ Hasbro Pulse SDCC 2024] on YouTube, with [[Jordan Hembrough]], Evan Brooks, and Lenny Panzica.
*July 26, 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igLCLYjKqh4 Transformers SDCC 2024 Brand Panel Fanstream | Hasbro Pulse] with Evan Brooks and [[Nate Purswell]].
*[[July 27]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4wS4pyX4rU Exploring Skybound's Energon Universe Comic Books with Robert Kirkman, Joshua Williamson, and more!] on YouTube, with Jordan Hembrough, [[Robert Kirkman]], [[Tom Reilly]], [[Joshua Williamson]], [[Daniel Warren Johnson]], and [[Sean Mackiewicz]].
*July 27, 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZr2jg2J8VM Celebrating 40 Years of Transformers with Gregg Berger | Voice of Grimlock @ SDCC 2024] on YouTube, with Jordan Hembrough and [[Gregg Berger]].
*[[July 28]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L7q44nnxJs Transformers Studio Series Optimus Prime Conversion with Tomo Tatsumi @ SDCC 2024] on YouTube, with Evan Brooks and [[Tomoki Tatsumi]].

====New York Comic Con 2024====
*[[October 20]], 2024's [https://youtu.be/BRNdyNcW70k?si=j-HDTyoiPfJlugXk NYCC 2024 | Hasbro Action Brands Panel | Hasbro Pulse] on YouTube, with [[Nate Purswell]].

====Cybertron Con 2024====
*[[December 10]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjmcMC9nNoA Transformers Age of the Primes Reveal | Dive into the Legacy of the Thirteen Primes | Hasbro Pulse] on YouTube, with Mark Maher.

====San Diego Comic-Con 2025====
*[[July 25]], [[2025]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T18IQaMuGVk Transformers Brand Panel Recap | SDCC 2025 | Hasbro Pulse] on YouTube, with Mark Maher, Evan Brooks and Nate Purswell.

==Blogs==
===Hasbro Pulse Unboxed===
[[File:Devastator at the office.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|The blogger at work.]]
"Hasbro Pulse Unboxed" is a blog featured on the Hasbro Pulse website that provides designer interviews and various other behind the scenes articles, HasLab project updates, the occasional lore tidbit, and more. ''Transformers'' features on the blog have included:

* "Hasbro Pulse: Behind The Design With John W" - An interview with [[John Warden]] on [[War for Cybertron: Siege|''Siege'']] [[Omega Supreme (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Omega Supreme.]]
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/hasbro-pulse-behind-the-design-with-john-w-part1 Part 1]
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/hasbro-pulse-behind-the-design-with-john-w-part2 Part 2]
* Extended advertisements for various Hasbro Pulse exclusives:
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/transformers-vintage-g1-mini-cassettes-3-pack Transformers Vintage G1 Mini-Cassettes 3-Pack]
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/transformers-deluxe-centurion-drone-weaponizer-pack Transformers Deluxe Centurion Drone Weaponizer Pack]
* [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/the-story-behind-the-transformers-wfc-military-insignias-revealed THE STORY BEHIND THE TRANSFORMERS WFC MILITARY INSIGNIAS: REVEALED]
* [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/who-is-orthia-the-story-behind-this-mysterious-all-female-combiner WHO IS ORTHIA? THE STORY BEHIND THIS MYSTERIOUS ALL-FEMALE COMBINER]
* A bunch of plugs for long discontinued t-shirts we won't bore you with.
* [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/go-behind-the-scenes-on-our-transformers-generations-siege-commercial-shoot Go behind the scenes on our Transformers: Generations Siege commercial shoot!]
* "Transformers: War for Cybertron: Siege COMBAT Weapons Guide" - extended profiles of the [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System]] weaponry included with [[War for Cybertron: Siege|''Siege'']] figures.
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/transformers-wfc-siege-optimus-prime-combat-weapons-guide Optimus Prime]
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/transformers-wfc-siege-megatron-combat-weapons-guide Megatron]
* [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/yeah-were-fans-too YEAH, we're fans too!] - An interview with [[Vincent Imaoka]], a Hasbro employee with a ''Transformers'' collection.
* "HASLAB WAR FOR CYBERTRON UNICRON" - A series of behind-the-scenes development features during the production of HasLab ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (franchise)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' [[Unicron/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Unicron]]:
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/haslab-war-for-cybertron-unicron-production-update-1 PRODUCTION UPDATE #1] - "Tool Start," the beginning of [[mold]] manufacturing.
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/haslab-war-for-cybertron-unicron-production-update-2 Production Update #2] - T1 sample (the first prototype run in plastic) and a tease of the packaging art, with designer [[Charlie (cat)|Charlie the cat]].
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/haslab-war-for-cybertron-unicron-production-update-3 Production Update #3] - This one was busy. It consisted of:
*** Packaging walkthrough with [[AJ Piejko-Brown]].
*** EP2 sample (second "Engineering Pilot" prototype in near-production colors) Q&A with Engineering Manager [[Lynsey Urban]].
*** Instructions overview with graphic designer [[Mark Grzesik]].
*** "Box testing" by Brand Manager [[Rachel Fleming]] and Charlie.
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/haslab-war-for-cybertron-unicron-production-update-4 Production Update #4] - Packaging durability testing (read: fun with drop tests) with AJ, Reliability Engineer [[Lee Tympanick]], and {{w|Rochester Institute of Technology|RIT}} co-op [[Aurora Kraus]], featuring appearances by [[Lenny Panzica]] and [[Lynsey Urban]].
* [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/behind-the-scenes-of-transformers-84-comic-book-miniseries Behind the Scenes of Transformers ’84 Comic Book Miniseries] - an interview on the then-upcoming ''[[Transformers '84: Secrets & Lies]]'' miniseries with [[IDW Publishing]] editor [[David Mariotte]].
* "Transformers: War for Cybertron - Interview with Executive Producer, F.J. DeSanto" - an interview with, well, executive producer [[F.J. DeSanto]] about the [[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|''War for Cybertron Trilogy'']] cartoon.
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/transformers-war-for-cybertron-interview-with-executive-producer-fj-desanto Part 1]
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/transformers-war-for-cybertron-interview-with-executive-producer-fj-desanto-part-ii Part 2]
* [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/transformers-war-for-cybertron-ark-blueprint Transformers: War for Cybertron Ark Blueprint]
* "Behind-the-Design" - the imprint they eventually settled on for the designer interviews.
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/behindthedesign-transformers-quintesson-pit-of-judgement-exclusive-pack Transformers Quintesson Pit of Judgement Exclusive Pack] - an interview with AJ Piejko-Brown and packaging designer [[Mario Carreiro]] on the [[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|''War for Cybertron Trilogy'']] [[Quintesson#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Quintesson Pit of Judgement]] box set.
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/behindthedesign-transformers-devastator Transformers Devastator] - an interview with toy engineer [[Mike Booth]] on ''[[Studio Series]]'' [[Devastator (ROTF)#Studio Series|Devastator]].
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/behind-the-design-transformers-r-e-d-robot-enhanced-design Transformers R.E.D. (Robot Enhanced Design)] - an interview with Lenny Panzica on the ''[[Transformers R.E.D.|R.E.D.]]'' toyline.
* "HasLab Transformers Victory Saber Backer Update" - A recurring feature for the development of HasLab [[Transformers: Legacy|''Legacy'']] [[Star Saber (G1)#Legacy|Victory Saber]] following the format of Unicron's:
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/haslab-transformers-victory-saber-backer-update-ready-for-tool-start-1 Ready for Tool Start!] - Pretty self explanatory.
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/haslab-transformers-victory-saber-backer-update-packaging-art-sneakpeek Packaging Art Sneak Peek] - A showcase of [[Guido Guidi]]'s packaging art for the box set in various stages of development.
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/transformers-victory-saber-haslab-first-look-video First Look Video] - An extensive video walkthrough of an "EP1" (first "Engineering Pilot" for transformation testing etc) sample with HasLab designer [[Evan Brooks]].
* "Transformers HasLab Deathsaurus Update" - A recurring feature for the development of HasLab [[Transformers: Legacy|''Legacy'']] [[Deathsaurus (G1)#Legacy|Deathsaurus]] following the now-established HasLab format:
** [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/haslab-preview/transformers-haslab-deathsaurus-backer-update Update 1] - This subtitle-less first update provided a brief in-progress look at Guido Guidi's packaging artwork for Deathsaurus.

===HasLab Preview===
As of some time in [[2023]], Hasbro Pulse spun updates on HasLab projects into their own, separate blog called "HasLab Preview" featuring all past HasLab posts as well as:

* [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/haslab-preview/first-looks-at-haslab-deathsaurus-early-sample First Looks at HasLab Deathsaurus Early Sample] - again following Victory Saber's lead, this feature presents another video walkthrough of Deathsaurus's EP1 sample with [[Evan Brooks]].
* [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/haslab-preview/unboxing-the-transformers-generations-haslab-deathsaurus Unboxing the Transformers Generations HasLab Deathsaurus] - A video walkthrough of Deathsaurus's finalized packaging with Evan Brooks and [[Ben MacCrae]] featuring a final sample of Deathsaurus.

===Unboxed, packed away===
In a move of questionable intentionality, an aesthetic overhaul to the storefront portion of the site taken live in late July 2024 deleted en masse very nearly the entirety of both blogs, leaving a few Haslab updates as the only ''Transformers'' related blog posts accessible from the website. Fortunately, the older posts are currently still available under a slightly different URL.

==List of exclusive toys==
===HasLab===
[[File:TF-WFC-S-Unicron.jpg|thumb|upright=2|Look, you're gonna get stock photos. He's too big for a photography tent.]]
HasLab on Hasbro Pulse is a crowdfunding platform where fans can back ginormous collectors' products and other one-shot items that you wouldn't find at regular retail. Basically, they say "we'll make this thing if we get X number of preorders", and if that preorder goal is met, they make the thing (charging buyers right away once the actual crowdfunding part of the campaign is over). Often there are "stretch goals" where, if even larger numbers of preorders get placed, more items are added to the product, like extra accessories or even whole figures. And then in roughly a year's time, the finally-finished product gets shipped out to buyers.

If the thing doesn't get the needed minimum number of preorders in time? Well, it doesn't get made. Not every HasLab product has made it. As of early 2025, every ''Transformers'' campaign has been successful, though the first one, [[Unicron/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Unicron]] got a little bit of a time extension to make it over the finish line.

HasLab is not exclusive to ''[[Transformers brand|Transformers]]'' and includes several other brands licensed by Hasbro and Hasbro Gaming, though Transformers is one of the more successful brands, never having failed to fund a project. The ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' Unicron was the very first ''Transformers'' product available through HasLab and is so far the largest official ''Transformers'' toy ever made, even surpassing the [[Fortress Maximus (G1)#The Transformers|other toys]] [[Metroplex (G1)#Generations|that once held]] [[Fortress Maximus (G1)#Titans Return|that title]] by several inches.

Due to Hasbro Pulse only being available to those living in the United States, Canada, United Kingdom and some countries in Europe, Hasbro opens up availability to the wider world through online retailers, such as [[BigBadToyStore]], and includes those sales as contributions to the total crowdfund. As for Japan, preorders adding to the tally can be made officially through [[TakaraTomy Mall]].

As of November 2022, HasLab has been split off into its own department within the company distinct from any specific brand team, though representatives from the ''Transformers'' team remain present for relevant projects to consult and liaise with TakaraTomy.<ref>[[November 29]], [[2022]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHzcEhQ5Ifo Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]] and [[Evan Brooks]].</ref>

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="33%" valign="top"|'''''Transformers'' HasLab products'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-multi|''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' [[Unicron/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Unicron]] (w/ [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Autobot Hot Rod]], [[Galvatron (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Galvatron]])}}
{{bp-a1|''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|Victory]]'' / ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' Victory Saber ([[Star Saber (G1)#Legacy|Autobot Star Saber]] and [[Ginrai (robot)#Legacy|Victory Leo]] with [[Holi#Legacy|Holi]] and [[Fire#Legacy|Fire]])}}
|
|width="33%" valign="top"| 
{{bp-d1|''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|Victory]]'' / ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' [[Deathsaurus (G1)#Legacy|Deathsaurus]] (with [[Tigerbreast#Legacy|Tigerchest]], [[Eaglebreast#Legacy|Eaglechest]], [[Boater#Legacy|Boater]], and [[Pīpō#Legacy|Pīpō]])}}
{{Bp-a1| [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|''Robots in Disguise'' 2001]] / ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' [[Omega Prime#Legacy|Omega Prime]] ([[Optimus Prime (RID)#Legacy|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (RID)#Legacy|Ultra Magnus]] with [[Blue Bolts (RID)#Legacy|Autobot Bluebolts]])}}
{{Bp-d1|''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|Victory]]'' / ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]''<ref>[https://www.hasbropulse.com/product/transformers-legacy-haslab-liokaiser-combiner/G22675L00 HasLab Liokaiser campaign page]</ref><ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoHhGjpFhXU NEW TRANSFORMERS HASLAB! Legacy Liokaiser Combiner - The Ultimate Combiner Awaits!] at the Hasbro Pulse YouTube channel</ref> [[Liokaiser#Legacy|Liokaiser]] ([[Leozack#Legacy|Leozak]], [[Drillhorn (G1)#Legacy|Drillhorn]], [[Guyhawk#Legacy|Gaihawk]], [[Hellbat (G1)#Legacy|Ellbat]], [[Jallguar#Legacy|Jaruga]], [[Killbison#Legacy|Killbison]] and [[Deathcobra (G1)#Legacy|Deathcobra]] with [[Lionbreast#Legacy|lion]], [[Hornbreast#Legacy|rhino]], [[Hawkbreast#Legacy|hawk]], [[Kōmoribreast#Legacy|bat]], [[Jaguarbreast#Legacy|jaguar]], [[Bisonbreast#Legacy|bull]] and [[Cobrabreast#Legacy|cobra]] [[Breast Animal|Chest Animals]])}}
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|width="33%" valign="top"|[[File:TF-HasLab-Star-Saber.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Star Saber]]
|}
{{comingsoontoy|Liokaiser}}

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="96%"
|width="33%" valign="top"|'''Non-''Transformers'' HasLab products'''
<ul class="iconlist">
* ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]] [[fandom:starwars:Star Wars: The Vintage Collection|The Vintage Collection]]'' [[fandom:starwars:Jabba Desilijic Tiure|Jabba]]'s Sail Barge (The ''[[fandom:starwars:Khetanna|Khetanna]]'')
* ''[[fandom:marvel:Marvel Legends|Marvel Legends]]'' [[X-Men]] [[fandom:marvel:Sentinels|Sentinel]]
* An updated version of the ''[[fandom:heroquest:HeroQuest|HeroQuest]]'' board game from [[1989]]
* ''Star Wars The Vintage Collection'' ''[[fandom:starwars:Razor Crest|Razor Crest]]''
* ''Marvel Legends'' [[fandom:marvel:Galactus|Galactus]]
|
|width="33%" valign="top"| 
* ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]] [[fandom:gijoe:Skystriker XP-14F|Skystriker]]''
* A life-sized ''[[Ghostbusters]]'' [[fandom:ghostbusters:Hasbro Haslab Ghostbusters Plasma Series Spengler's Proton Pack|''Plasma Series'' Spengler's Proton Pack]]
* ''G.I. Joe [[fandom:gijoe:Classified Series|Classified Series]]'' [[Cobra]] [[fandom:gijoe:H.I.S.S|H.I.S.S.]]
* ''G.I. Joe Classified Series'' [[fandom:gijoe:Dragonfly XH-1|Assault Copter Dragonfly (XH-1)]]
|
|width="33%" valign="top"|'''Failed Non-''Transformers'' HasLab products'''
<ul class="iconlist">
* A life-sized ''[[fandom:muppet:Sesame Street|Sesame Street]]'' [[fandom:muppet:Cookie Monster|Cookie Monster]]
* ''[[fandom:starwars:Star Wars: The Black Series|Star Wars: The Black Series]]'' [[fandom:starwars:Rancor|Rancor]]
* ''Marvel Legends'' [[Ghost Rider]] [[fandom:marvel:Roberto Reyes (Earth-616)|Engine of Vengeance]]
* ''[[fandom:Heroscape|HeroScape]]: Age of Annihilation'' wargame
* ''Star Wars: The Black Series'' [[fandom:starwars:Reva Sevander|Reva (The Third Sister)]] Force FX Elite Lightsaber
|}

===Hasbro exclusives===
Originally planned to debut at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2020, the Quintesson Pit of Judgement was eventually made available on Hasbro Pulse for [[Hasbro PulseCon 2020]] after the San Diego convention was cancelled due to the coronavirus pandemic.
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{bp-a1d1|WFC-E33 [[Centurion droid#Toys|Deluxe Centurion Drone Weaponizer Pack]] (w/ [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Shockwave]], [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Soundwave]], [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Megatron]], [[Reflector (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Refraktor]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Optimus Prime]] accessories)}}
{{bp-qu2|[[Quintesson#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Quintesson Pit of Judgement]] ([[Quintesson Judge (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Quintesson Judge]], [[Quintesson Prosecutor#Toys|Quintesson Prosecutor]], [[Quintesson Bailiff#Toys|Quintesson Bailiff]], [[Sharkticon (species)#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Sharkticon]], [[Kranix (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Kranix]])}}
</ul>
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|WFC-K39 [[Tricranius#Generations|Tricranius Beast Power Fire Blasts Collection pack]]}}
{{bp-d1|[[Galvatron (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Behold, Galvatron! Unicron Companion Pack]] (w/ [[Arcee (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Arcee]], [[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Cyclonus]], [[Dirge (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Dirge]], [[Kup (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Kup]], [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Megatron]], [[Perceptor (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Perceptor]], [[Scourge (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Scourge]], [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Soundwave]], [[Starscream (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Starscream]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Ultra Magnus]], [[Swoop (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Dinobot Swoop]], [[Slag (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Dinobot Slug]], [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Grimlock]], [[Snarl (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Dinobot Snarl]] micro-figures)}}
</ul>
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)#Prime 10 Year Anniversary|Prime 10 Year Anniversary]]'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Breakdown (WFC)#10 Year Anniversary|War Breakdown]] and [[Vehicon (Prime)#10 Year Anniversary|Vehicon]] 2-Pack (w/ [[Igu#Prime 10 Year Anniversary|Igu]] and [[Zamu#Prime 10 Year Anniversary|Zamu]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (WFC)/toys#10 Year Anniversary|Hades Megatron]] (w/ [[Hades#Prime 10 Year Anniversary|Hades]], [[Gora#Prime 10 Year Anniversary|Gora II]])}}
</ul>
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers Collaborative|Collaborative]]'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Maverick (Collaborative)#Toys|Maverick]]}}
</ul>
|[[File:QuintPitOfJudgment.jpeg|thumb|200px]]
|}

{{toystub|Robosen Optimus Prime, Shattered Glass Collection, Legacy A Hero Is Born}}

{{--}}

===TakaraTomy exclusives===
Some TakaraTomy exclusives were later made available on Hasbro Pulse. All the toys come in additional black external slipcases that prominently feature their Hasbro Pulse ID number, proclaim the content is an "authentic TakaraTomy product as sold in Japan", but do not mention the figure's name anywhere.
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[The Transformers Golden Lagoon|Golden Lagoon]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|GL-01 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Golden Lagoon|Golden Lagoon Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|GL-02 [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Golden Lagoon|Golden Lagoon Starscream]]}}
{{Bp-a1|GL-03 Golden Lagoon [[Beachcomber (G1)#Golden Lagoon|Beachcomber]], [[Perceptor (G1)/toys#Golden Lagoon|Perceptor]] & [[Seaspray (G1)#Golden Lagoon|Seaspray]]}}
{{Bp-d1|GL-04 [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Golden Lagoon|Golden Lagoon Soundwave]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[Generations Selects (toyline)#TakaraTomy|Generation Selects]]'''''<ref>Kraken and Abominus were given ID numbers blatantly out of order with their reveal date—why this happened is entirely unknown.</ref>
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|TT-GS01 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Selects|Star Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|TT-GS03 [[Turtler#Generations|Seacons Turtler]] (Snaptrap)}}
{{Bp-d1|TT-GS04 [[Gulf#Generations|Seacons Gulf]] (Skalor)}}
{{Bp-d1|TT-GS02 [[Kraken#Generations|Seacons Kraken]] (Seawing)}}
{{Bp-d1|TT-GS06 [[Lobclaw#Generations|Seacons Lobclow]] {{sic}} (Nautilator)}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|TT-GS07 [[Overbite (Masterforce)#Generations|Seacons Overbite]]}}
{{Bp-d1|TT-GS08 [[Tentakil (Masterforce)#Generations|Seacons Tentakil]]}}
{{Bp-d1|TT-GS09 [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Selects|Super Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-p1|TT-GS10 [[God Neptune#Generations|God Neptune]] ([[Coelagon#Generations|Coelagon]], [[Halfshell#Generations|Halfshell]], [[Scylla#Generations|Scylla]], [[Sea Phantom#Generations|Sea Phantom]], [[Terrormander#Generations|Terrormander]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|TT-GS11 [[Volcanicus (POTP)#Selects|Volcanicus]] ([[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Selects|Grimlock]], [[Sludge (G1)#Selects|Sludge]], [[Slag (G1)/toys#Selects|Slag]], [[Snarl (G1)#Selects|Snarl]], [[Swoop (G1)/toys#Selects|Swoop]])}}
{{Bp-d1|TT-GS05 [[Abominus (G1)#Selects|Abominus]] ([[Sinnertwin (G1)#Selects|Sinnertwin]], [[Blot (G1)#Selects|Blot]], [[Rippersnapper (G1)#Selects|Rippersnapper]], [[Cutthroat (G1)#Selects|Cutthroat]], [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)#Selects|Hun-Gurrr]])}}
{{Bp-merc|TT-GS12 [[Soundblaster (G1)#Generations|Soundblaster]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece Edition]]'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|MP-18+ [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#MP18Plus|Bluestreak]]}}
{{Bp-m1|MP-32 [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Masterpiece|Beast Convoy (Optimus Primal)]]}}
{{Bp-m1|MP-38+ [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#MP38Plus|Burning Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-a1|MP-39+ [[Spin-Out (G1)#Masterpiece|Spinout]]}}
{{Bp-a1|MP-45 [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#MP45|Bumblebee]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)#MP45|Spike]] 2.0}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|MP-49 [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#MP49|Black Convoy (Nemesis Prime)]]}}
{{Bp-m1|MP-50 [[Tigatron#Masterpiece|Tigatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|MP-51 [[Arcee (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Arcee]]}}
{{Bp-d1|MP-51+ [[Nightbird (G1)#Masterpiece|Nightbird Shadow]]<ref>The TakaraTomy ID number is MP-55 but for whatever reason, Hasbro Pulse went with MP-51+ for their listing.</ref>}}
{{Bp-d1|MP-52 [[Starscream (G1)/toys#MP52|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|MP-52+ [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#MP52|Thundercracker]]}}
{{Bp-d1|MP-52+SW [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#MP52|Skywarp]]}}
{{Bp-a1|MP-53 [[Skids (G1)#Masterpiece|Autobot Skids]]}}
{{Bp-a1|MP-53+ [[Crosscut (G1)#Masterpiece|Senator Crosscut]]}}
{{Bp-a1|MP-54 [[Reboost#Masterpiece|Reboost]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece#Masterpiece Movie Series|Masterpiece Movie Series]]'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|MPM-9 [[Jazz (Movie)#Masterpiece|Jazz]]}}
|}

{{toystub|''Masterpiece'', ''Premium Finish'', ''Beast Wars Again'', ''Dramatic Capture Series'', more probably}}

===Partner exclusives===
In March 2021, Hasbro launched the Partner Exclusives lineup, in which exclusive toys to other stores would be available on Pulse in limited quantities. For unknown reasons, ''Robot Enhanced Design'' Cheetor and Arcee were given a $3.12 USD upcharge to their original MSRP. Each entry in their respective toyline is ordered from oldest to most recently added.
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers R.E.D.|R.E.D. [Robot Enhanced Design]]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/merchandise#R.E.D. .5BRobot Enhanced Design.5D|Megatron]] (''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|Transformers]]'')}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Soundwave (G1)/merchandise#R.E.D. .5BRobot Enhanced Design.5D|Soundwave]] (''Transformers'')}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/merchandise#R.E.D. .5BRobot Enhanced Design.5D|Optimus Prime]] (''Transformers'')}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Cheetor (BW)/toys#R.E.D. .5BRobot Enhanced Design.5D|Cheetor]] (''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'')}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Arcee (WFC)#R.E.D. .5BRobot Enhanced Design.5D|Arcee]] (''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]'')}}
</ul>
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Earthrise]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|Encounter 4: [[Master (planet)|Dominus]] Criminal Pursuit}}
:{{Bp-d1|[[Barricade (IDW)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Barricade]]}}
:{{Bp-a1|[[Punch (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Punch-Counterpunch]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Encounter 2: [[Micro]]n Micromasters}}
:{{Bp-a1|[[Fireguard#Toys|Fireguard]] & [[Roadburner#Generations|Roadburner]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|[[Barricade (G1)#Generations|Decepticon Runner]] & [[Motorhead (G1)#Generations|Motorhead]]}}
:{{Bp-a1d1|[[Stingracer#Toys|Stingracer]] & [[Windstorm#Toys|Windstorm]]}}
</ul>
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#2020Netflix|Optimus Prime]] (w/ [[Enerax#Toys|Enerax]] and [[Sheeldron#Toys|Sheeldron]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Soundwave (G1)/toys#2020Netflix|Soundwave]] (w/ [[Ravage (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Ravage]] and [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Laserbeak]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Sparkless#SparklessSeeker|Sparkless Seeker]] (w/ [[Caliburst (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Sparkless Caliburst]] and [[Singe#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Sparkless Singe]])}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Optimus Primal]] (w/ [[Rattrap (BW)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Rattrap]])}}
{{Bp-d1p1|Spoiler Pack:}}
:{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Spoiler|Megatron]]}}
:{{Bp-p1|[[Skelivore#Toys|Fossilizer Skelivore]]}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Cheetor (BW)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Cheetor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Deep Cover#Netflix|Deep Cover]]}}
{{Bp-qu2|[[Deseeus Army Drone#Generations|Deseeus Army Drone]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Sparkless#SparklessBot|Sparkless Bot]]}}

</ul>
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[Vintage|Vintage Beast Wars]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|[[Rattrap (BW)/toys#Vintage Beast Wars|Rattrap]]}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Cheetor (BW)/toys#Vintage Beast Wars|Cheetor]]}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Vintage Beast Wars|Optimus Primal]]}}
{{Bp-p1|[[Megatron (BW)/toys#Vintage Beast Wars|Megatron]]}}
|}

{{toystub|''Legacy Walmart Exclusives, Buzzworthy Silverstreak & Studio Series 86, Legacy Wreck N' Rule Collection, Kingdom Red Alert & Amazon Exclusives''}}

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

==External links==
* [https://hasbropulse.com Hasbro Pulse website]
* [https://www.hasbropulse.com/blog?contentRefine=c_localizedTags%3DTransformers&contentSort=creationDate%3Ddesc Hasbro Pulse Unboxed]
:* [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/tagged/transformers Hasbro Pulse Unboxed - Old Archive]
* [https://www.facebook.com/hasbropulse Hasbro Pulse Facebook]
* [https://www.instagram.com/hasbropulse Hasbro Pulse Instagram]
* [https://www.youtube.com/@hasbropulse Hasbro Pulse YouTube]

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Unreleased toy

2025-10-06T15:13:06Z

Omegatron: /* Beast Wars */

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[[File:G1ArceeProto.jpg|thumb|250px|Despite her prominence in the cartoon, [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]'s ''The Transformers'' toy never got past the prototype stage.... at least, not until nostalgia got ''[[Missing Link|really]]'' mainstream.]]
For every [[Toy|Transformer]] that makes it to store shelves, there are always some that fall by the wayside. Lines get canceled, retailers pass on the [[tail-ender|final]] [[wave]](s) of an assortment in favor of the upcoming next line or back off on [[exclusive]]s, designs go over budget, focus groups pass on a concept, or maybe they just weren't cool enough. Regardless of the whys and wherefores, this article aims to document the '''unreleased toys''' that never quite saw retail.

Note that this list will likely never be "complete", as for every concept design that makes it into collectors' hands, a countless number wind up in the garbage can.

(Quick! Get to the landfill outside [[Rhode Island|Pawtucket]] and '''''START DIGGING'''''.)

==Regular releases==
===''The Transformers''===
;Concepts

*[[Rock Bot (G1)|Rock Bot]]s
*Remote control jeep (Potentially a Hasbro release of [[Jipe (Eletrix)|Jipe]])

;Concept art

[[File:Concept-HeadmasterArcee.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Yup, they wanted to make me, but oh well.]]
*A [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] version of [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], based on a redecoed [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]].

*[[:File:TFGRodimus.jpg|New Rodimus]]

*[[:File:Skywarpatron.jpg|Skywarp/Megatron]] Triple Changer.

*[[:File:Megalvatron.jpg|Megatron/Galvatron]] Triple Changer.

*[[Big Bang (G1)|Big Bang]]

*A [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Rodimus]] figure with a strange design and transformation. It is believed that the Target exclusive transforming [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]] gift card is based on this figure, as it is similar in design and transformation.

*A "[[:File:TransformersVault stingray.jpg|Decepticon Stingray]]" revealed in ''[[Transformers Vault]]''. Though the image caption identifies it as "an unreleased and nameless Decepticon Headmaster", the artwork shown does not appear to agree with the "Headmaster" description.

*The [[Vintage Horror Movie Series]]

;Packaged samples (test packaging)

*VS-A [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] vs [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] [[giftset]]

;Prototypes

*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] in her original design

[[File:Unicron Proto.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Unicron wanted a toy, but his bargaining posture was highly dubious.]]
*Two [[Unicron/toys|Unicron]] prototypes were created during G1, neither saw full release.

*Diaclone Triple Changer - His design was later used for [[Dropshot (Armada)|Dropshot]].

*[[Double Pretender]]s

*A [[Micromaster carrier-base]], which has some similarities to the released [[Rocket Base]].

*An [[Action Master]] [[Motorized movement|battery-operated]] "[[Action Master half-track|half-track]]"

;Toys
*The [[Headcannon|tank]] [[Deluxe Vehicle]].

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===Generation "1.5"===
[[File:Buffalo-dump motorworld concept.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|"Hi, I'm the [[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]]-[[Bonecrusher (BW)|Bonecrusher]] fuzor!"]]
(This section is about the [[The Transformers (European toyline)#1992|line]] available in parts of the world (most prominently Europe) between the US G1 and G2 lines.)

;Concept art

*[[Buffalo Dump]]
*[[Hyperdrive (Turbomaster)|Hyperdrive]]
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===''Generation 2''===
[[File:G2JungleAttackStarscream.jpg|thumb]]
;Prototypes
*[[Auto Roller (G2)|Auto Roller]]s:
**[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#G2General|General Optimus Prime]]
**[[Hound (G1)/toys#Generation 2|Sgt. Hound]]
**A [[jet Auto Roller]] that eventually wound up as ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars (Japanese toyline)#BWII|Beast Wars II]]'' [[Autojetter]]
**An [[APC Auto Roller]] that eventually wound up as ''Beast Wars II'' [[Autolauncher]]

*[[Greasepit (G2)#Toys|Greasepit]], part of a Go-Bots Racing Rig

*[[Cyberjet]]s retooled with armored limbs and larger weapons.

*''[[Block Town]]'' series in Japan
** TFBT-1 Radar Set (with "[[Snipe#Toys|Snipe]]")
** TFBT-2 Control Set/Control Tower Set (with "[[Terradive (BT)#Toys|Terradive]]")
** TFBT-3 Airport Building Set (with "[[Sky Tornado#Toys|Sky Tornado]]")
** TFBT-4 Gasoline Station Set (with "[[Rapid Engine#Toys|Rapid Engine]]")
** TFBT-5 Garage Set (with "[[Carzap (BT)#Toys|Carzap]]")
** TFBT-6 Signal/Traffic Lights Set (with "[[Hotrider#Toys|Hotrider]]")

*Two new-sculpt [[Go-Bot (G2)|Go-Bots]]:
**A military SUV that would have been named "[[Hound (G1)/toys#G2Gobot|Hound]]"
**A Purple Mercedes-Benz SL500 sport coupé, [[Purple Mercedes Go-Bot|name unknown]]

*[[Unproduced G.I. Joe Transformer|G.I. Joe Transformer]], name unknown

*''Diaclone'' Autobot Car molds:
**[[Mirage (G1)/toys#G2DiacloneUnreleased|Mirage]] in green and pink
**A possible [[Jazz (G1)/toys#G2DiacloneUnreleased|Jazz]] in orange, would've been released in wave 2 with Mirage and Sideswipe.
**A possible [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#G2DiacloneUnreleased|Sideswipe]] in yellow and blue.

*''Diaclone'' Decepticon Seeker mold:
**[[Blackout (G2)#Toys|Blackout]], who would probably have been paired with Sandstorm
**[[Sandstorm (G2)#Toys|Sandstorm]], who would probably have been paired with Blackout
**A version of [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Notes|Starscream]] in jungle colors. Whether this figure would have actually been Starscream or otherwise is unknown.
**A version of [[Ramjet (G1)/toys#Notes|Ramjet]] in sky blue colors. Whether this figure would have actually been Ramjet or otherwise is unknown, though much later the deco reached fruition as the ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy: Evolution]]'' character [[Cloudcover]]

*The four "flipchanger" sculpts which were later released in ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' as:
**[[Skystriker (G2)|Skystriker]] (Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor) - [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Machine Wars|Megatron]]/[[Megaplex#Machine Wars|Megaplex]]
**[[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Generation 2|Thundercracker]] (Dassault Rafale) - [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Machine Wars|Skywarp]]/[[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Machine Wars|Thundercracker]]
**[[Greasepit (G2 tow truck)|Greasepit]] (tow truck) - [[Hoist (G1)#Machine Wars|Hoist]]/[[Hubcap (MW)#Machine Wars|Hubcap]]
**[[Lightspeed (G2)|Lightspeed]] (race car) - [[Mirage (G1)/toys#Machine Wars|Mirage]]/[[Prowl (G1)/toys#Machine Wars|Prowl]].

;Packaged samples (test packaging)

*Four new-sculpt [[Go-Bot (G2)|Go-Bots]], test-packaged on [[High Beam]] cards.
**[[Rumble (G1)/toys#Generation 2|Rumble]]
**"[[Crash Test (G2)#Toys|GTP Racer]]", name unknown
**"[[911#Toys|911 Police Car]]", name unknown (possibly Prowl?)
**"[[Black Viper Go-Bot|Black Viper]]", name unknown

;Packaged samples (final packaging)

*Redecoes (or color variants) of the two G2 Hero sculpts:
**[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#HeroRecolorOptimusPrime|Optimus Prime]] in a dark-blue and red color scheme
**[[Megatron (G1)/toys#HeroRecolor|Megatron]] in a gray and black camouflage

*[[Laser Cycle]]s
**[[Jazz (G1)/toys#LaserCycle|Jazz]]
**[[Laser Cycle]] [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#LaserCycle|Soundwave]]

{{Note|Honorable mention goes to [[Megatron (G1)/toys#ATB|"ATB" Megatron]] (with [[Starscream (G1)/toys#ATB|Starscream]]), which was released to test markets in Ohio in very limited quantities, but was never available as a wide release. They later received minor modifications for release in Japan as [[BB (BW)#Toys|BB]] and [[Starscream (BW)#Toys|Starscream]]}}

*All of the [[Stunticon (G1)#Generation 2|Stunticon]] limbs except for [[Breakdown (G1)#Generation 2|Breakdown]], who was released as a [[BotCon 1994]] exclusive.

*All of the [[Protectobot (G1)#Generation 2|Protectobot]] limbs.
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===''Beast Wars''===
[[File:BWNeo-Unicron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|One of ''the'' most well-known unreleased toys.]]
;Concept art

*[[Dinobot (BW)|Transmetals Dinobot]]

;Prototypes

*[[Unicron/toys#BWN|''Beast Wars Neo'' Unicron]]

;Packaged samples
*[[Optimus Minor]] (blue version)
*[[Ramulus]] (green version)
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===''Beast Machines''===
*[[Screechwing]]
*[[Spiketail]]
*Obsidian (Deluxe Class)
*Megatron (Ultra Class)
{{note|These figures were initially listed on the Big Bad Toy Store website, but they were taken down later, along with listings of Transtech figures.}}
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===''Transtech''===
[[File:TransCharge.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|It was not to be.]]
;Concept art

*Megatron; unsure whether this would have been the [[Megatron (G1)/toys|G1]] or [[Megatron (BW)/toys|beast era]] character.
*[[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]]
*[[Shockwave (G1)/toys|Shockwave]]
*[[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]]
*[[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave]]
*[[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]]
*[[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]]
*[[Immorticon (TransTech)|Immorticon]]

;Prototypes

*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Cheetor (BW)/toys|Cheetor]]
*[[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]]
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===''Armada''===
;Prototypes

*[[Built to Rule!]] [[Ramjet (Armada)#Built to Rule!|Ramjet]]
*[[Built to Rule!]] [[Rollout (Armada)#Built to Rule!|Rollout]]

;Packaged samples

*''The Unicron Battles'' redeco of the [[Adventure Mini-Con Team#TUB|Adventure Mini-Con Team]] ([[Dune Runner (Armada)#TUB|Dune Runner]], [[Iceberg#TUB|Iceberg]], & [[Ransack (Armada)#TUB|Ransack]])
*''The Unicron Battles'' redeco of the [[Space Mini-Con Team#TUB|Space Mini-Con Team]] ([[Astroscope#TUB|Astroscope]], [[Payload (Armada)#TUB|Payload]], & [[Sky Blast (Armada)#TUB|Sky Blast]])
*''The Unicron Battles'' redeco of the [[Street Speed Mini-Con Team#TUB|Street Speed Mini-Con Team redecos]] ([[Backtrack (Armada)#TUB|Backtrack]], [[Oval#TUB|Oval]], & [[Spiral#TUB|Spiral]])
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===''Playskool Gobots''===
[[File:Go-BotsSpecialBonusPackPrototype.jpg|thumb|right|Hasbro wanted this pack to Go-Go-Go away.]]
;Prototypes
*Ultra Force Aero-Bot (Revealed at UK Toy Fair, The only known copy of this toy is in [[Ed Duncan]]'s personal collection.)

;Packaged Sample
*Special Bonus Pack (Strong-Bot, Speed-Bot, Gorilla-Bot)
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===''Kids' Transformers: Rescue Hero Go-Bots''===
*GO-20　Mini A: Ambulance (ミニＡ・救急ワゴン車)
*GO-21　Mini B: Steam Locomotive (ミニＢ・ＳＬ)
*GO-22　Mini C: Train (ミニＣ・トレイン）)
*GO-23　Mini B&C Set (ミニＢ・Ｃセット)
*GO-24　ATV (４輪バギー)
*GO-25　Motorbike (バイク)
*GO-26　NASCAR (ナスカー)
{{note|These figures were all solicited (GO-20 Mini A; Ambulance (ミニＡ・救急ワゴン車) specifically listed on Hobby link japan) but never released.}}
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===''Alternators/Binaltech''===
;Concepts

*[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]] (Volkswagen New Beetle)
*[[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys|Cliffjumper]] (Volkswagen New Beetle, retool of Bumblebee with different weapon and new head)
*[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] (Dodge Viper SRT-10; body ended up as [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Alternators|Side Swipe]], head was used for Chevrolet Corvette Tracks)
*[[Trailbreaker (G1)#Other attempts|Trailbreaker]] (Jeep Wrangler; was released as [[Swindle (G1)#Alternators/Binaltech|Swindle]] in different colors instead)
*[[Windcharger (G1)#Notes|Windcharger]] (Ford Mustang, retool of [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Alternators|Grimlock]] with new head; body ended up as [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Alternators|Wheeljack]], head was used for [[Decepticharge]])
*Megatron (Cadillac XLR Convertible, unreleased due to the hiatus of the line.)

;Prototypes
[[File:PorscheMiniSubaru.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Jazz, not Meister. And Smoke... streak?]]

*[[Jazz (G1)/toys|Jazz]] (Porsche 986 Boxster)
*[[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] (Subaru Impreza WRX, Deluxe-sized)
*[[Tracks (G1)|Autobot Tracks]] (Chevrolet Corvette Z06, yellow version; intended to be released by Hasbro with a [[variant#Running changes|running change]] to blue later down the road, but ultimately only released in blue; yellow version released in Japan)
*[[:File:Blackwidowwildrider.jpg|Blackwidow]] (Honda S2000, prototype sporting the long gun barrel and right-hand steering wheel of ''Binaltech'' [[Overdrive#Binaltech|Overdrive]] and the head sculpt, hardtop roof and rear spoiler of ''Alternators'' [[Decepticharge#Alternators|Decepticharge]], originally announced as [[Wildrider (G1)#Notes|Wildrider]] but then given a deco based on ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Blackarachnia (BW)#Binaltech|Blackarachnia]]; ultimately released in Japan in new colors as ''Binaltech'' [[Arcee (G1)#Binaltech|Arcee]])
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===''Smallest Transforming Transformers''===
;Prototypes
*[[Skids (G1)|Skids]]
*[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]]
*Stock and silencer accessories for [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Smallest Transforming Transformers|Megatron]]
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===''Attacktix''===
;Prototypes

*Uh... the entire second wave, pretty much.
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===''Universe'' (2003)===
;Prototypes

*[[Battle in a Box]] [[Smokescreen (Cybertron)#Toys|Smokescreen]] with [[Jolt (Armada)#Universe (2003)|Jolt]] vs. [[Drench (Universe)#Toys|Drench]] with [[Wind Sheer (Armada)#Universe (2003)|Wind Sheer]]
*[[Menasor (G1)#Universe (2003)|Menasor]] - a redeco of ''Machine Wars'' Ultra-sized [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Machine Wars|Optimus Prime]] as the Stunticon leader ("Motormaster" was unavailable as a trademark).
*[[Spacewarp#Toys|Spacewarp]]
*Halloween Horrorcon Value Pack [[Leatherhide (Universe)#Toys|Leatherhide]] vs. [[Blackarachnia (BW)/toys#Universe (2003)|Blackarachnia]]
*Halloween Horrorcon Value Pack [[Nightprowler#Toys|Nightprowler]] vs. [[Waspinator (BW)/toys#Universe (2003)|Waspinator]]
*An unknown-name redeco of ''Beast Machines'' Ultra Class [[Jetstorm (BM)#Universe (2003)|Jetstorm]]
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===''Energon''===
;Packaged samples
[[File:Ultra Magnus with SST.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|2 HOT 4 U!]]

*Mini-Cons [[Brakedown (Energon)|Brakedown]], [[Override (Energon)|Override]], and [[Clocker (Energon)|Clocker]] were originally intended to come with [[Ultra Magnus (Energon)|''Energon'' Ultra Magnus]], but were swapped out at essentially the last possible minute for a redecoed [[Space Mini-Con Team]]. (The Street Speed Mini-Cons are still listed on both sides of the US packaging, though the [[Multilingual packaging|European version]] and the Japanese "[[USA Edition]]" release both fixed that to different degrees.)
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===''Titanium Series''===
[[File:Titanium bumblebee.jpg|thumb|120px|Two for the price of... none.]]
====Cybertron Heroes====
;Prototypes
*[[Soundwave (G1)/toys#TiSoundblaster|Soundblaster]] redeco of Soundwave with [[Ravage (G1)/toys#Titanium Series|Ravage]]
*[[Primal Prime#Titanium Series|Primal Prime]] redeco of [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Titanium Series|Optimal Optimus]]
*[[Arcee (G1)#Titanium Series|Arcee]]
*''[[Transformers: The War Within|War Within]]'' [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Titanium Series|Bumblebee]]
*''[[Transformers: The War Within|War Within]]'' [[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys#Titanium Series|Cliffjumper]] (Bumblebee [[redeco]]/[[retool]] with a new head sculpt)
*[[Cosmos (G1)#Titanium Series|Cosmos]]
*[[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Titanium Series|Shockwave]]
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===''Revoltech''===
;Prototypes
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Energon Optimus Prime]]
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===''Cybertron''===
[[File:Decep-Landslide01.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Buried by his namesake.]]
;Concepts

*[[Landslide (Decepticon)|Landslide]]

;Prototypes
*More Mini-Con partners for [[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]]
*A [[Scrapmetal (race)|Scrapmetal]] redeco
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===''Classics''===
;Concepts

[[File:Classics Soundwave.jpg|thumb|[[Non-vehicle non-beast alternate modes#Audio device|Tapedeck]] superior [[Society of Ultimate Villainy|SUV]] inferior!]]
*[[Cosmos (G1)#Notes|Cosmos]]
*[[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Notes|Soundwave]]

;Prototypes
*[[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Classics|"Ghost" Jetfire]]
*A Deluxe Class [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] that looks a lot like the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics|Voyager Class]] version, with fixed on knee parts.<ref name="classicsprime">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/general-articles-25/translated-version-of-the-takara-tomy-transformers-henkei--classics-staff-interview-167073/ Translated TakaraTomy Henkei/Classics staff interview]</ref> Apparently, an early plan was for this toy to be released without a trailer at the Deluxe [[size class|price point]], and ''with'' a trailer at the Voyager price point.<ref name="classicslineup">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/possible-transformers-classic-line-up-4336/ Rumor] about the ''Classics'' lineup that turned out to be spot on aside from Voyager Soundwave and Deluxe Optimus Prime.</ref> It's unclear whether the trailer ever made it past the early planning stage before the decision was made to uspscale Optimus to Voyager size.
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===''Heroes''===
*Rhinox
*Hot Rod (or "Rodimus")
{{Note|''Transformers: Heroes'' was a planned series that eventually evolved into ''Animated''.}}
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===''Beast Wars Telemocha Series''===
;Concepts

*[[Flytrap]]
*[[Rage (BW)|Rage]]
*[[Manticon]]
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===''Chrono Label''===
;Prototypes
*Autoceptor
*Time Limit

===''Animated''===

[[File:AnimatedFugitiveWaspinator.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|You'll never find me! Hahahaha!]]
;Prototypes

*[[Oil Slick (Animated)#Toxic|Toxic Oil Slick]]
*[[Wasp#Fugitive|Fugitive Waspinator]]
*[[Blurr (Animated)#Vortex|Vortex Blurr]]
*[[Swindle (Animated)#Mercenary|Mercenary Swindle]]
*[[Grimlock (Animated)#Goldfire|Goldfire Grimlock]] (Voyager Class)
*[[Soundwave (Animated)#Electromagnetic|Electromagnetic Soundwave]] (Activator)
*[[Hot Shot (Animated)#Animated|Hot Shot]]
*[[Megatron (Animated)#Marauder|Marauder Megatron]]

;Packaged samples

*[[Thundercracker (Animated)#Voyager|Thundercracker]] (Voyager Class)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)#Mudbuster|Mudbuster Bulkhead]] (Voyager Class)
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===''Revenge of the Fallen''===
;Prototypes
*''Unite for the Universe'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#VoyagerJetPower|Jet Power Optimus Prime]]
*''Unite for the Universe'' [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#UniteMegatron|Megatron]]

===''United''===
;Prototypes
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Blue Bumble]] from ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]''/''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Classics|Bumblebee]]
*[[Swindle (G1)#Henkei! Henkei!|Swindle]] (with [[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]]?) from ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]''/''Henkei! Henkei!'' [[Hound (G1)#Univ2008Dx|Hound]]
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===''Crossovers''===
;Prototypes
*[[Iron Man]] (New mold, transforms into a futuristic tricycle)

*[[War Machine]] (New mold, combines with the Iron Man above in vehicle mode)

*The [[Punisher]] (retool of Captain America, released with new head as Iron Man)

*the [[Human Torch]] (blue redeco of his existing figure)

*The [[Thing]] (retool of the bulldozer Hulk mold)

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===''Star Wars Transformers''===
;Prototypes
*[[Darth Maul]] (Smaller Class I figure)

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===''Transformers'' (2010)===
[[File:Transformers2010toy demolitionrumble.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Averted by the [[FIRRIB|FIBRIR]] crowd.]]

;Packaged samples

*[[Bodyblock (TF 2010)|Bodyblock]] (Breacher redeco)
*[[Rumble (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Demolition Rumble]] (sculpt/character released under ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' in Japan)
*[[Downshift (TF 2010)|Downshift]] (Hubcap redeco)
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===''Dark of the Moon''===

;Prototypes
*[[Blaster (DOTM)|Blaster]] (Redeco of Soundwave with new head, displayed with other prototypes at Hascon 2017)
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===''Movie Trilogy Series''===

[[File:MovieTrilogytoys-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Kill all Generation 1 homages.]]
;Packaged samples

*[[Wheeljack (Movie)#Movie Trilogy Series|Wheeljack]] (redeco colored as an homage to Generation 1 [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys|Wheeljack]], using the toy's alternate head; later released by TakaraTomy as part of the ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)#Movie Advanced Series|Movie Advanced Series]]'', albeit with the deco changed to moreso match his G1 namesake.)

;Prototypes

*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Movie Trilogy Series|Bumblebee]] (redeco of [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#NitroBee|Nitro Bumblebee]])
*[[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys 4|Ratchet]] (redeco colored as an [[homage]] to ''[[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' [[Ratchet (G1)/toys|Ratchet]]; later released by TakaraTomy as part of the ''Movie Advanced Series'')
*[[Soundwave (ROTF)/toys#Movie Trilogy Series|Soundwave]] (redeco colored as an homage to Generation 1 [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#SoundblasterG1|Soundblaster]]; later released as "Darkside Soundwave" by TakaraTomy as part of the ''Movie Advanced Series'')
*[[Evac (Ride)|Evac]] (re-release of the Universal Studios figure)
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===''Kre-O''===
*[[Hound (Kre-O)|Hound]] Kreon based on Generation 1 Hound (helmet used ''much'' later for Custom Kreon Hound, ''Age of Extinction'' Kreon Hound and "Class of 1984" Kreon Hound, but none of them sported the saturated green colors and chest deco of the figure displayed at [[BotCon 2011]])
*Kre-O Mini-Con Combiner Bumblebee
*Kre-O Mini-Con Combiner Optimus Prime
*"Soccer" Bumblebee kreon
*"Summer" Drift kreon
*Battle Changer Drift (with Jetstorm and Slipstream)
*Battle Changer Blitzwing
*All of [[Kre-O#KreonWarriors|Kreon Warriors]] Collection 3
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===''Prime''===
;Prototypes

*A redeco and retool of Deluxe Class [[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]] with the toy's alternate head, possibly as [[Gears (ROTDS)|Gears]]
*A Hasbro release of Deluxe Class [[Ironhide (WFC)#Prime|Ironhide]] (released in Japan)
*A redeco and retool of Deluxe Class [[Rumble (WFC)#Prime|Rumble]] with the toy's alternate head as [[Frenzy (WFC)#Prime|Frenzy]]
*A retool of the 2014 Deluxe Class [[Smokescreen (Prime)#Deluxe2014|Smokescreen]] sculpt with an added lightbar, presumably as [[Prowl (WFC)|Prowl]].

===''Construct-Bots''===
;Prototypes
*Starscream (Scout Arsenal Pack)
*Bumblebee (Scout Arsenal Pack)
*Wheeljack (Elite Arsenal Pack)
*Soundwave (Elite Arsenal Pack)
*Galvatron (Dinobot Rider)
*Starscream (Dinobot Rider)
;Solicited
*Bludgeon (Scout)
*Bulkhead (Scout)
*Shockwave (Dinobot Rider, was supposed to have been in the third wave instead of Starscream)
*Galvatron (Dinobot Warrior)
{{Note|There was to be a third wave of Dinobots, but only their code names, "Drago", "Apollo", and "Stallion", are known.}}
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===''Bot Shots''===
;Prototypes
*Hydrax
*Prowl
*Rom the Space Knight
*Strafe
*Skystalker
*Smokescreen
*Soundwave
*Hun-Gurrr Launcher (Series 2 Wave 3)
*Starscream Launcher (Series 2 Wave 3)
*Bluestreak Launcher (Series 2 Wave 4)
*Buzzclaw Launcher (Series 2 Wave 4)
*Combaticons (Series 2, Wave 3 5-Pack: Blast Off, Decepticon Brawl, Onslaught, Swindle, Vortex)
*Protectobots (Series 2, Wave 3 5-Pack: Protectobot Blades, Protectobot First Aid, Protectobot Groove, Protectobot Hot Spot, Protectobot Streetsmart)
;Solicited
*"TRA BOT SHOTS RING OF FIRE BATTLE PACK A5112"
*"TRA BOT SHOTS STUNT AND SPEED BUMBLEBEE A1672"
*"TRA BOT SHOTS STUNT AND SPEED GALVATRON A1673"
*"TRA BOT SHOTS STUNT AND SPEED PACKS A1671"
*"TRA BOT SHOTS STUNT N SPEED DLX AST A1668"
*"TRA BOT SHOTS STUNT N SPEED METRO TITAN A1670"
*"TRA BOT SHOTS STUNT N SPEED METROPLEX A1669"
*"TRA BS 3 PK DINOBOT A3032"
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===''Hero Mashers''===
;Solicited
*''Robots in Disguise'' Jazz
*''Robots in Disguise'' Quillfire
*''Robots in Disguise'' Thunderhoof
*''Robots in Disguise'' Fracture
*''Robots in Disguise'' Drift
*''Robots in Disguise'' Bisk
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===''Battle Masters''===
;Prototypes
*Lockdown
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===''Angry Birds Transformers''===
;Prototypes
*Acid Storm Pig
*Autobird Ratchet
*Epic Optimus Prime Bird
*Shockwave Pig
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===''Transformers: EZ Collection''===

;Prototypes
*[[Turbo Cycle (G1)#EZ Collection|Turbo Cycle]]
*[[Beachcomber (G1)#EZ Collection|Beachcomber]]
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===''Generations''===
;Solicited
*[[Brawn (G1)/toys|Brawn]] and [[Mudslinger (G1)|Mudslinger]]
*[[Gnaw (G1)|Gnaw]] and Gnash
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===''Titans Return''===
;Solicited
*[[Toraizer]]
*[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]
{{note|Both figures were initially listed in [[Toys"R"Us]] computers and at the German division of [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]]. At [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2018, Hasbro Design Manager [[John Warden]] confirmed that Optimus Primal would have been a retool of [[Apeface#Titans Return|Apeface]].<ref name="sdcc18">[https://www.allspark.com/2018/07/impromptu-allspark-com-interview-with-john-warden-hasbro-brand-team-at-sdcc-2018/ Impromptu Allspark.com Interview with John Warden & Hasbro Brand Team at SDCC 2018].</ref>}}
===''Earthspark''===
*[[Prowl_(ES)#EarthSpark|DX Series Prowl]]

==Unused pretool heads==
In recent years, Hasbro and TakaraTomy have begun to design toys with [[retool]]s in mind from the get-go, and thus have created [[retool#Gang-molded alternate parts|alternate head sculpts and other parts]] that are often [[gang-molding|gang-molded]] with the original release's parts. Those head sculpts are created as [[prototype]]s, which occasionally leak out to the public, and sometimes show up in the [[instructions]] for the original release most likely by mistake,<ref name="skyshadow">The main evidence for the "by mistake" argument would be ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]'s instructions, which originally depicted the head and chest that would later be used for [[Black Shadow (G1)#Generations|Sky Shadow]]. A [[variant#Running changes|running change]] of the instructions eventually [[:File:ThunderwingInstructionsChange.jpg|changed the head]] (but not the chest) to Thunderwing's. In addition, there's ''Generations'' [[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]]'s instructions, which only depict the alternate "[[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]]" head in place of Warpath's actual head in ''some'' steps.</ref> though Hasbro representatives have stated that those could also be considered "previews". Sometimes those pretool parts end up unused by Hasbro. Some of these have, however, been used long after the fact by TakaraTomy or [[Fun Publications]]. (Some instances where the plans went a step further to the point where an actual deco was created for a planned release of the sculpt using the alternate head are listed either further above, or below, under "exclusives".)

===''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' (2008)===
*Deluxe Class [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Sideswipe]] had an alternate, more stylized head, as depicted in a leaked deco sheet for a cancelled 2011 [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Generations|Sideswipe]] vs. [[Reflector (G1)#Generations|Reflector]] 2-pack.

===''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers]]'' (2010)===
[[File:TF2010 Lugnut alternate head.jpg|upright=1.0|thumb|And you are...?]]
*''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)#RTS|Reveal the Shield]]'' Voyager Class [[Lugnut (TF 2010)#Transformers (2010)|Lugnut]] had an alternate head depicted in the instructions, which was stated at BotCon 2010 to have been designed without any specific character in mind.
*''Reveal the Shield'' Deluxe Class [[Jazz (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Special Ops Jazz]] was to be retooled into ''Thrilling 30'' [[Nightbeat (G1)#Generations|Nightbeat]], as depicted in [[:File:GenerationsNightbeatJazzvsBumblebees.jpg|stock photography and package art]], but the final toy uses ''Thrilling 30'' [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#T30Deluxe|Bumblebee]].

===''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]''===
*Deluxe Class [[Laserbeak (DOTM)#Dark of the Moon|Laserbeak]] had a different, more realistic bird head depicted in his instructions, which ''might'' be either an unused pretool head or an instance of a [[design change]].<ref name="dotmlaser">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-toys-products-30/dark-of-the-moon-laserbeak-alternate-head-172226/ "Dark of the Moon Laserbeak Alternate Head"] at TFW2005.</ref>
*Deluxe Class [[Soundwave (ROTF)#Deluxe Class toys 2|Soundwave]] had an alternate [[Blaster (DOTM)|Blaster]] head. A [[:File:TF-DOTM-Deluxe-Blaster-Prototype.jpg|painted prototype]] was shown on display at [[HasCon 2017]].

===''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]''===
*Deluxe Class [[Warpath (G1)#Generations|Warpath]] had an alternate [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] head [[:File:Hardhead-in-WarpathInstructions.jpg|depicted in the instructions]], intended for a cancelled 2011 [[Hardhead (G1)#Generations|Hardhead]] vs. [[Ratbat (G1)/toys#Generations|Ratbat]] 2-pack.

====''Fall of Cybertron''====
*Voyager Class [[Grimlock (WFC)#Toys|Grimlock]] had an alternate ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Transmetal]] [[Megatron (BW)/toys#Notes|Megatron]] head. A prototype sporting the head surfaced in early 2013.<ref name="genbwmegs1">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generations-classics-44/generations-beast-wars-megatron-fall-of-cybertron-grimlock-remold-176869/ "Generations Beast Wars Megatron - Fall of Cybertron Grimlock Remold"] at TFW2005</ref><ref name="genbwmegs2">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generations-classics-44/generations-30th-anniversary-beast-wars-megatron-new-images-177248/ "Generations 30th Anniversary Beast Wars Megatron New Images"] at TFW2005</ref>

====''Thrilling 30''====
*Deluxe Class [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Thrilling 30|Orion Pax]] had an alternate [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] head.<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/PetesRoboCon/posts/569672986709925 Pete's RoboCon on Facebook, 8 February 2018]</ref>
*Voyager Class [[Roadbuster (G1)#Generations|Roadbuster]] had an alternate [[Gutcruncher (G1)|Gutcruncher]] head.<ref>[https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/83247-suggest-a-classicuniversegenerationsetc-repaint/?p=3796466 Jesse Wittenrich (NightViper) on the Allspark Forums, 7 October 2018]</ref>

===''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Prime]]''===
*''Robots in Diguise'' [[Ratchet (WFC)#Deluxe|Autobot Ratchet]] had an alternate Gears-style head depicted in the instructions. A [[:File:TFPunreleasedgears.jpg|fan-painted prototype]] sporting the head surfaced in late 2012.<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/unreleased-hasbro-prime-gears.740235/ UNRELEASED HASBRO PRIME GEARS?] on TFW2005 forums</ref>

===''[[Transformers: Universal Studios|Universal Studios]]''===
*[[Evac (Ride)#Universal Studios|Evac]] had an alternate [[Frankenstein's monster]] head, as discovered by then Hasbro model artist [[Mark Maher]].<ref>[https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/more-than-meets-the-eye-an-interview-with-hasbros-mark-maher/id1479045714?i=1000542690703 Mark Maher interview from Adventures in Collecting Toy Collecting Podcast]</ref>

===''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]''===
*Legends Class [[Bombshell (G1)#Combiner Wars|Bombshell]] had an alternate [[Venom (G1)|Venom]] head.<ref>[https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/83247-suggest-a-classicuniversegenerationsetc-repaint/?p=3984771 Post by Jesse Wittenrich (NightViper) on The Allspark Forums, 2 June 2020]</ref>
*Deluxe Class [[Trailbreaker (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Trailbreaker]] had an alternate [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] head. Fun Publications intended to utilize it for a BotCon 2016 troop builder set of ''Shattered Glass'' [[Autotrooper (SG Knights of Unicron)|Autotroopers]] that did not come to fruition.
*Deluxe Class [[Rook (CW)#Toys|Rook]] had an alternate [[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]] head. In a preliminary plan for the [[Computron (G1)#Generations|Computron]] multi-pack, Hasbro planned to use this head tooling as [[Ironfist (G1)#Notes|Ironfist]], under the trademark-friendly name "Ironclad". Fun Publications also had a secondary backup plan for this tooling as the ''Shattered Glass'' incarnation of [[Brawn (SG)#Notes|X-Brawn]], but neither of these figures came to fruition.
*Voyager Class [[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Cyclonus]] had an alternate [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Notes|Starscream]] head.
*Voyager Class [[Onslaught (G1)#Combiner Wars|Onslaught]] had an alternate ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] head. A prototype sporting the head surfaced in late 2015.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2015/09/20/rumor-possible-combiner-wars-demolishor-301587 "Rumor – Possible Combiner Wars Demolishor"] at TFW2005</ref>
*Titan Class Devastator had multiple alternate heads: four of the Constructicons were based on the ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Build Team (RID)|Build Team]], supposedly with [[Bonecrusher (G1)#Generations|Bonecrusher]] as [[Wedge (RID)|Wedge]], [[Scavenger (G1)#Generations|Scavenger]] as [[Grimlock (RID 2001)|Grimlock]], [[Hook (G1)#Generations|Hook]] as [[Hightower (RID)|Hightower]] and [[Long Haul (G1)#Generations|Long Haul]] as [[Heavy Load (RID)|Heavy Load]], while the remaining two were based on two of the three "Generation 1" Autobot Double [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]]s, [[Scrapper (G1)#Generations|Scrapper]] as [[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] and [[Mixmaster (G1)#Generations|Mixmaster]] as [[Quickmix (G1)|Quickmix]]. The combined form would have been [[Landfill (RID)|Landfill]], which is [[Landfill (G1)|also the name]] of the third Double Targetmaster.<ref name="landfill">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tX2TMzJGBk "Night Shining Inc." panel] at Pete's Robot Convention 2018.</ref>

===''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]''===
*The canceled Titan Master [[Toraizer#Generations|Toraizer]] would probably have been a new head retool of [[Lione#Generations|Sawback]], which did briefly appear in art form in [[LG51 Doublecross Prologue|''Legends'' Vol. 47]].
*Titan Master [[Apeface#Generations|Apeface]] had an alternate head as [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Titans Return|Optimus Primal]].<ref>[https://www.allspark.com/2018/07/impromptu-allspark-com-interview-with-john-warden-hasbro-brand-team-at-sdcc-2018/ Allspark interview at SDCC 2018]</ref>
*Deluxe Class [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Titans Return|Hot Rod]] had an alternate head based on the [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|IDW comic incarnation]] of the character, according to an interview with Hasbro.
*Voyager Class [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#TRVoyager|Optimus Prime]], having a deco inspired by [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Generation 1 cartoon continuity#The Battlestars manga and story pages|Star Convoy]] but mounted with a classic-style Optimus head, had an alternate Star Convoy-styled head, glimpsed in a leaked deco sheet.<ref>[https://www.allspark.com/2016/04/titans-returns-upcoming-figures-leaked/ The Allspark news article, 27 April 2016]</ref>

===''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]''===
*[[Prime Master]] [[Micronus Prime#Generations|Micronus]] / [[Cloudburst#Generations|Cloudburst]] had a decoy armor head retool based on Generation 1 [[Waverider#Notes|Waverider]]. TakaraTomy would have redecoed the decoy armor component as a preorder bonus for ''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' [[Grand Maximus#Legends|Grand Maximus]], but unfortunately preorders did not reach the necessary goal. Hasbro did, however, release the inner robot as [[Amalgamous Prime#Toys|Amalgamous Prime]].
*Deluxe Class [[Cutthroat (G1)#Generations|Cutthroat]] had an alternate [[Wildfly]] head, which was seen on the painted prototype showcased at [[New York Comic Con|NYCC 2017]].
*Deluxe Class [[Snarl (G1)#Power of the Primes|Snarl]] was shown at [[HasCon]] 2017 with a gun accessory that slots over the head in Stegosaurus mode that suggested a [[Bristleback]] retool, but it never came to fruition.

===''[[Studio Series]]''===
*[[Brawl (Movie)#Studio Series|Brawl]] had an alternate head with an opened mouth.<ref>[https://www.instagram.com/reel/Bjud46blLgM/?hl=en "Leaked from Cybertron: A peek at how Studio Series Brawl was brought to life."] at the official ''Transformers'' Instagram page</ref>
*''Revenge of the Fallen'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Studio Series|Optimus Prime]] had an alternate faceplate-less head, as depicted in an official ''Transformers'' social media post.<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/1859790330757819/ "“There’s a thin line between being a hero and being a memory.” Which Optimus Prime would you roll out for?] at the official ''Transformers'' Facebook page</ref> This head, albeit differently painted, was found on one copy of the toy.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2018/05/07/transformers-studio-series-optimus-prime-faceplate-less-variant-images-363449 Transformers Studio Series Optimus Prime Faceplate-less Variant Image] at TFW2005</ref>

===Honorable mentions===
These heads ''were'' ultimately put to use, but only long after the release of the original figure or only for exclusive releases.
*''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Scrapmetal (race)|Scrapmetal]]'s alternate head was initially only used by TakaraTomy for the [[exclusive]] "[[Cobybot#Galaxy Force|Coby's Exclusive Rumble]]" figure, and was later included by Fun Publications with the [[BotCon 2006]] customization class [[Rumble (G1)/toys#Universe (2003)|Rumble]] and [[Inferno (BW)#Universe (2003)|Inferno]] figures' sets, with Rumble using the alternate head.
*The alternate heads for ''Generations'' Deluxe Class [[Kup (G1)#Generations|Sergeant Kup]] and 2010 ''Hunt for the Decepticons'' Voyager Class [[Highbrow (TF 2010)|Highbrow]] were eventually used for ''Generations'' [[Swerve (G1)#Generations|Swerve]] and [[Powerdive#Generations|Powerdive]], both of whom were only made available as part of the "[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Asian market exclusives ("GDO")|GDO]]" line-up that was initially intended for Hasbro's East Asian markets, and later brought to North American retail as ''[[Toys"R"Us]]'' exclusives.
*2010 [[Transformers (2010 toyline)#HFTD|''Hunt for the Decepticons'']] Deluxe Class [[Tomahawk (TF 2010)#Transformers (2010)|Tomahawk]]'s alternate head was ultimately only used by TakaraTomy for ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' [[Vortex (Movie)#Dark of the Moon|Vortex]] and by Fun Publications for the [[BotCon 2012]] exclusive ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' [[Spinister (G1)#Timelines|Spinister]] figure.
*Meanwhile, 2010 ''Hunt for the Decepticons'' Deluxe Class [[Terradive (TF 2010)#Transformers (2010)|Terradive]]'s alternate head was eventually used for ''Dark of the Moon'' [[Space Case (DOTM)#Dark of the Moon|Space Case]], who was only available as a [[Target]] exclusive in the US (and exclusive to other stores in other countries) several years after the fact.
*2010 ''Reveal the Shield'' Deluxe Class [[Perceptor (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Perceptor]] was planned to be redecoed into [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]].<ref name="botcon2010">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/botcon-2010-hasbro-designers-panel-170066/ "Botcon 2010 Hasbro Designers Panel"] at TFW2005.</ref> The head sculpt intended for Reflector was later used by TakaraTomy for the [[e-HOBBY]] exclusive ''Generations'' [[Magnificus (G1)#Generations|Magnificus]] figure.
*2010 ''Reveal the Shield'' Deluxe Class [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Optimus Prime]]'s alternate head was ultimately only used by Fun Publications for the BotCon 2012 exclusive ''Timelines'' [[Ultra Magnus (SG)#Timelines|''Shattered Glass'' Ultra Magnus]] figure.
*The alternate head sculpt for 2010 ''Transformers'' ''Reveal the Shield'' Deluxe Class [[Jazz (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Special Ops Jazz]] shown in the slideshow during the [[BotCon 2010]] Hasbro panel was ultimately only used by Fun Publications for the BotCon 2012 exclusive ''Timelines'' [[Treadshot (SG)#Timelines|''Shattered Glass'' Treadshot]] figure.
*2010 ''Reveal the Shield'' Deluxe Class [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Wreck-Gar]] was designed with no fewer than ''two'' alternate head sculpts. One of them, which was shown in Wreck-Gar's instructions, was used for ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Junkyard (G1)#Generations|Junkheap]] shortly thereafter, whereas the other one was initially only used by TakaraTomy for the e-HOBBY exclusive ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' [[Scrapheap (G1)#United|Scrapheap]] figure, then later by Fun Publications for the BotCon 2012 exclusive ''Timelines'' ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Scrap Iron (SG)#Timelines|Scrap Iron]] figure and finally much, ''much'' later by Hasbro for the "[[Scrapheap (G1)#Platinum Edition|Junkion Scrapheap]]" figure included with the ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' "Planet of Junk Clash" set.
*''Combiner Wars'' Legends Class [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Shockwave]] had an alternate [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] head which ultimately saw release only as [[BotCon 2016]] [[Reflector (G1)#Combiner Wars|Reflector]] and [[Flash Sentry#Toys|Flash Sentry]] from Fun Publications.
*''Combiner Wars'' Deluxe Class [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)#Generations|Skydive]] has an alternate [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] head that was only used by TakaraTomy (as "[[Starscream (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Ghost Starscream]]") for the ''[[Transformers Unite Warriors|Unite Warriors]]'' [[Grand Galvatron#Unite Warriors 2|Grand Galvatron]] set, by Fun Publications for the ''Transformers Figure Subscription Service'' exclusive ''Combiner Wars'' ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' version of [[Starscream (SG)#Generations|Starscream]], and then by TakaraTomy again for [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Golden Lagoon|"Golden Lagoon" Starscream]].
*''Combiner Wars'' Deluxe Class [[First Aid (G1)#Generations|Protectobot First Aid]] has an alternate [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] head that was only used by Fun Publications for the [[BotCon 2016]] custom class [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#BotCon2016|Autobot Ratchet]] figure and by TakaraTomy for the ''Unite Warriors'' [[Sky Reign#Unite Warriors 2|Lynxmaster]] set

==Exclusives==
===Conventions===
====Transcon====
;Concepts

*[[Albitron]] and [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]]. These figures were advertised as convention exclusives by [[Men in Black|Men in Black Productions]], but never materialized.

====OTFCC====
[[File:Defensorotfcc.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Why, 3H? Why????]]
;Concepts

*[[Brawn (G1)#Universe (2003)|Brawn]]
*[[Devcon (G1)#Expanded Universe|Devcon]]
*[[Megatron (BW)/toys#Universe (2003)|Megatron]] (post-''Beast Machines'')
*[[Roadbuster (G1)#Universe (2003)|Roadbuster]]

;Prototypes

*[[Defensor (OTFCC)#Universe|Defensor]]
*A limited redeco of [[Defensor (OTFCC)#Midnight|Defensor]] as Midnight Shield Defensor
*[[Alpha Trion/toys#Expanded Universe|Alpha Trion]]
*[[Fractyl#Expanded Universe|Fractyl]]
*[[Devcon (G1)#Expanded Universe|Devcon]]

====Wonder Festival====
;Packaged samples
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#GenteiBlack|Convoy]] was planned as a black [[redeco]] of the ''Classics'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Optimus Prime sculpt]], but marketed as a black version of the heroic Convoy character with [[Autobot]] faction [[insignia]]s, not as a [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime/Black Convoy]] character. He would have been released under the ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' toy line's ''Gentei! Gentei!'' range of exclusives. A minor redeco was eventually released years later as a [[Tokyo Toy Show|Tokyo Toy Show 2012]] exclusive under the ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' toy line, now named "Black Optimus Prime" and sporting Decepticon insignias.

===Store===
====''Robots in Disguise'' (2001)====
;Prototypes

*[[Fortress Maximus (RID)|Hasbro-release Fortress Maximus]] (intended as [[BigBadToyStore]] / Action Figure Xpress / Entertainment Earth / Marz Distribution / FAO Schwarz shared exclusive)

====''Commemorative Series''====
;Prototypes
*[[Ramjet (G1)#Commemorative Series|Ramjet]]
*Megatron (was going to be released in a bright orange and blue, but canceled because it still looked too much like a gun)
;Solicited
*Trailbreaker
*Ironhide
*Thrust

====''Universe'' (2003)====
;Prototypes
[[File:Toxitron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|I'm addicted to you Don't you know that you're toxic?]]

*[[Toxitron (Universe)|Toxitron]]
*[[Megatron (Armada)/toys#Energon|Megatron]] (''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' redeco)/[[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Smallest Transforming Transformers|Soundwave]] (''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'') two-pack (intended for [[Target]])
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#Santa|Optimus Prime]] (''Energon'' redeco)/[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Smallest Transforming Transformers|Optimus Prime]] (''Smallest Transforming Transformers'') two-pack (intended for Target)
*[[Smokescreen (Cybertron)#Universe (2003)|Smokescreen]] vs. [[Drench (Universe)#Universe (2003)|Drench]] ([[Battle in a Box]], intended for Target, Drench later came out as ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]''/''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Sideswipe (SG)|Sideswipe]])
*[[Spacewarp]] with [[Space Mini-Con Team]] (intended for [[Toys"R"Us]], later released as ''Timelines'' [[Astrotrain (Cybertron)|Astrotrain]] with a new head sculpt and different Mini-Cons)
*"Halloween [[Horrorcon (Universe)|Horrorcons]]" [[Leatherhide (Universe)|Leatherhide]] vs. [[Blackarachnia (BW)#UnUni|Blackarachnia]] (intended for [[Walmart]])
*"Halloween Horrorcons" [[Nightprowler]] vs. [[Waspinator (BW)#Universe (2003)|Waspinator]] (intended for Walmart)
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====''Transformers'' (2007)====
;Packaged samples
[[File:MovieGunbarrelToy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Would you like to play with my gunbarrel?]]

*[[Backtrack (Movie)|Backtrack]] (intended for Target)
*[[Reverb (Movie)|Decepticon Reverb]] (intended for Target)
*[[Gunbarrel (Movie)|Gunbarrel]] (intended for Target)

{{Note|In early 2010, about two years after the first samples had surfaced, considerable quantities of the three unreleased Scouts were sold on [[eBay]]. Each of them came packaged with two [[instructions|instruction sheets]], one in English and one in Spanish, suggesting that the batch was initially intended for the Mexican market. However, based on information from Mexican fans, the toys never actually made it to retail there.}}
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====''Transformers'' (2010)====
[[File:TF2010toy sideways sneak attack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Shanghaied!]]
[[File:TF2010MegsRisingMegsAndConstructs.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Megatron rising... not today.]]
;Prototypes

*[[Blue Maximus]] vs. [[Crosshairs (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Crosshairs]] (redecos of ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Ransack (ROTF)|Ransack]] and [[Rollbar (ROTF)|Rollbar]])
*[[Drydock (TF 2010)|Drydock]] vs. [[Undertow (PCC)|Undertow]] (redecos of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' [[Depthcharge (ROTF)|Depthcharge]] and ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Shortround (Cybertron)|Shortround]])

;Packaged samples

*"Sideways Sneak Attack" multi-pack (intended for [[Target]]), containing:
:*[[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways (Deluxe Class)]]
:*[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee (Legends Class)]]
:*[[Chromia (ROTF)|Chromia (Legends Class)]]
:*[[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita-One (Legends Class)]]

*"Megatron Rising" five pack, containing:
:*[[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys 3|Megatron]] (''Revenge of the Fallen'' Voyager Class Megatron redeco)
:*[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]] (Legends Devastator component)
:*[[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]] (Legends Devastator component)
:*[[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]] (Legends Devastator component, yellow deco)
:*[[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]] (Legends Devastator component, red redeco)
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====''Dark of the Moon''====
[[File:DOTMAutobotTeamRacers.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|So close...]]
;Packaged samples
*"Autobot Team Racers" (intended for [[Target]]), contains:
:*[[Leadfoot (DOTM)#AutobotRacers|Leadfoot]] (MechTech Deluxe Class)
:*[[Topspin (DOTM)#AutobotRacers|Topspin]] (MechTech Deluxe Class)
*Leader Class [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)#LeaderSentinelDeluxeNitroBee|Sentinel Prime]] and Bonus Value Deluxe Class [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#LeaderSentinelDeluxeNitroBee|Nitro Bumblebee]] (intended for [[Walmart]])
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====''Generations''====
[[File:Hardhead-in-WarpathInstructions.jpg|upright=1.0|thumb|I can haz toy? Plzz?]]
;Concepts

*[[Hardhead (G1)#Generations|Hardhead]] vs. [[Ratbat (G1)/toys#Generations|Ratbat]] (intended for Toys"R"Us)
*[[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Generations|Sideswipe]] vs. [[Reflector (G1)#Generations|Reflector]] (intended for Toys"R"Us)
:Hardhead, Ratbat and Reflector would have been redecos of ''Generations'' Deluxe Class [[Warpath (G1)#Generations|Warpath]] and [[Scourge (G1)/toys#Generations|Scourge]] and ''Reveal the Shield'' [[Perceptor (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Perceptor]], respectively, using the alternate heads which were depicted their instructions in some cases. While Hardhead's head was ultimately never used at all, TakaraTomy later released their own version of Ratbat (in different colors) under their ''Generations'' line, and an exclusive redeco of Perceptor using the Reflector head as the [[e-HOBBY]] exclusive [[Magnificus (G1)#Generations|Magnificus]] figure. Sideswipe, meanwhile, would have been a redeco of the 2008 ''Universe'' Deluxe Class figure in ''Generation 2'' colors. Curiously, the ''Universe'' Sideswipe sculpt ''had'' already been used in ''Generation 2'' colors as the [[BotCon 2010]] exclusive [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Timelines|customization class figure]] at least a year before the deco sheet for this unreleased figure was created, albeit with a slightly different color and deco layout. He might or might not have sported a different head sculpt that was ultimately never used.

;Packaged samples

*[[Brawn (G1)#Generations|Brawn]] (intended as part of the "[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Asian retail exclusives ("GDO")|GDO]]" lineup for Hasbro's Asian markets, with the possibility of a later U.S. release as a Toys"R"Us exclusive. The head sculpt would later be used for the TakaraTomy release of ''[[Transformers Cloud|Cloud]]'' Brawn, using a different deco.)

[[File:TF-Legacy-Velocitron-Speedia-500-Hot-Rod.jpg|upright=1.0|thumb|Be glad that the [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Transformers Retro|''Retro'' magenta one]] didn't get canned too!]]

*[[Transformers: Legacy#Walmart|''Legacy'' Velocitron Speedia 500]] [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Velocitron|Hot Rod]] (intended for Walmart)

:This G1 toy-accurate redeco of Studio Series [[Hot_Rod_(G1)/toys#Studio_Series|86-04 Hot Rod]] was meant to be the sole second-wave voyager figure for Walmart's exclusive Velocitron capsule. Hot Rod was supposedly unplanned for release according to Hasbro<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2023/02/06/transformers-brand-team-fan-roundtable-for-february-2023-recap-cybertronian-mode-jazz-475329 Recap of Transformers Fan Roundtable at TFW2005]</ref> and Walmart passed on buying him<ref>[https://youtu.be/AF64f3-8mLg Transformers Marketing Team Interview on YouTube]</ref>... but they put up a product page for him anyway, though was never made available for purchase. Hasbro also said they're looking for alternative avenues for releasing him but so far nothing has come of this.
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==Miscellaneous==
;Concepts
*A supposed [[Hooligan (G2)|Hooligan]]<ref name="dairy08">[http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/viewtopic.php?t=37634 Dairycon 2008 report]</ref>
*A supposed [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]]<ref name="dairy08"/>
*A supposed [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]]<ref name="dairy08"/>
*A supposed [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]]<ref name="dairy08"/>

==Statues/Busts==
[[File:Gijoebaronessravagestatue.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Walking the... cat?]]
;Prototypes
*Transformers vs GI. Joe [[Baroness#Merchandise|Baroness]] and [[Ravage (G1)/toys#First 4 Figures|Ravage]].
*A [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave]] bust that didn't work well once it was downscaled for release.
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===Palisades Toys===
*Red Alert
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===Diamond Select Toys===
;Prototypes
*Megatron (Bust Banks)
*Optimus Prime (Bust Banks)
*Powermaster Optimus Prime (Mini Busts)
*Sunstorm (Mini Busts)

==Merchandise==

===Super Hybrid Model===
;Prototypes
*Arcee
*Rodimus Prime
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===Q-Robo Collection Figure===
;Concept Art
*All of wave 2
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===''Titanium Series''===
[[File:Titanium-toy RMSunstreaker.JPG|thumb|upright=1.1|The star wouldn't leave his trailer.]]
;Prototypes
*[[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Titanium Series|Sunstreaker]] (redeco of [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Titanium Series|Side Swipe]])
*[[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys#Titanium Series|Cliffjumper]] (redeco of [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Titanium Series|Bumblebee]])
*[[Soundwave (G1)/merchandise#Titanium Series|Soundwave]]
*[[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Titanium Series|Nemesis Prime]] (redeco of ''[[Transformers: The War Within|War Within]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/merchandise#Titanium Series|Optimus Prime]])
;Solicited
*War Within Megatron
*Jetfire
*Soundblaster
*Silverstreak
*Black RODIMUS
*Shockwave
*Ultra Magnus
*Grimlock
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===''Robot Heroes''===
[[File:Robotheroesprowllaserbeak.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Sooooooooo cute.]]
;Packaged samples (final packaging)
*[[Optimus Prime (RID)#Robot Heroes|Optimus Prime]] & [[Megatron (RID)#Robot Heroes|Megatron]] (''Robots in Disguise'' Series)
*[[Prowl (G1)/toys#Robot Heroes|Prowl]] & [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Robot Heroes|Laserbeak]] (Generation 1 Series)
*[[Star Saber (G1)#Robot Heroes|Victory Saber]] & [[Deathsaurus (G1)#Robot Heroes|Dessaras]] (Generation 1 Series)
*[[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Beast Machines Series|Optimus Primal]] & [[Jetstorm (BM)#Robot Heroes|Jetstorm]] (''Beast Machines'' Series)

===''Titan Warriors''===
;Solicited
*Bumblebee
*Shockwave
*Wheeljack
{{Note|These figures were all meant to be a part of the 2014 Generation One assortment. Their names were on the backs of the tags included with the released figures, with Wheeljack's being covered up with a sticker. Bumblebee and Shockwave were most likely kept because of the Beast Hunters figures that shared the name.}}
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==When is an unreleased toy not an unreleased toy?==
===Toys released in international markets===
[[File:Robotheroesricochetpredaking.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|''Not'' the focus of this article.]]
Quite a few of toys are effectively "unreleased" as far as Hasbro's ''United States'' market is concerned, but ''have'' been released in other Hasbro markets such as Canada, Latin America, Australia, Asia (usually not counting Japan, which is [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s home turf, unless they explicitly come in Hasbro packaging), and/or Europe. For the purpose of this article, any toy that saw an official release in ''any'' Hasbro market does ''not'' qualify as "unreleased". Examples include:
[[File:PL Red Thrust toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|Things that ''do'' exist.]]
*''[[Animorphs]]'' [[Jake (Animorphs)|Jake Stingray/Manta]] and [[Taxxon|Taxxon/Alien]] (released in parts of Europe)
*''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]'' [[Powerlinx]] [[Thrust (Armada)#PowerlinxRed|Thrust's red]] [[Variant#Running changes|running change variant]] (released in Israel, Europe and in Japan as a "[[USA Edition]]")
*[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'' (2008)]] [[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]] [[Ricochet (Headmasters)#Robot Heroes|Ricochet]] & [[Predaking (G1)#Robot Heroes|Predaking]] and [[Tigatron#Robot Heroes|Tigatron]] & [[Inferno (BW)#Robot Heroes|Inferno]] (released in Australia, Singapore, the United Kingdom, and Germany)
*''[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Transformers Animated]]'' [[Bumper Battlers]] [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Workzone Bulkhead]] and [[Jazz (Animated)|Stealth Ninja Jazz]] (released in Australia and Mexico)
*The original, non-''[[AllSpark Power]]'' version of the [[Transformers (2007 toyline)|2007 ''Transformers'' movie toyline]]'s Leader Class [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#UKNightwatch|Nightwatch Optimus Prime]] (released in the United Kingdom and Japan)
*''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Fast Action Battlers]] [[Jolt (ROTF)#Sparkblast|Spark Blast Jolt]] (released in Germany)
*A ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Fast Action Battlers [[Mudflap (ROTF)#FAB2Pack|Rally Mudflap]] & [[Skids (ROTF)#FAB2Pack|Offroad Skids]] two-pack (released in Asia and Australia; despite misconceptions based on early solicitations, it appears these figures were never intended to be released individually)
*''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' Deluxe Class [[Soundwave (ROTF)#Deluxe Class toys 2|Soundwave]] and [[Wheeljack (Movie)#Deluxe Class toys|Wheeljack]] (released in Japan through [[TakaraTomy]], despite also being solicited by Hasbro)
*''Dark of the Moon'' [[Human Alliance]] [[Soundwave (ROTF)#Human Alliance|Soundwave]] (released in Asian markets such as Singapore and Taiwan)
*''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Transformers: Prime:]] [[Transformers: Prime (toyline)#Beast Hunters (2013)|Beast Hunters]]'' ''[[Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]]'' Legion Class [[Rot Gut (Prime)|Rot Gut]], [[Divebomb (Prime)|Divebomb]], [[Bluestreak (Prime)#Cyberverse|Bluestreak]], and [[Vehicon (Prime)#CyberverseAce|Ace Vehicon]] (released in Europe, Australia and South America)
*''Transformers: Prime: Beast Hunters'' ''Cyberverse'' Commander Class [[Megatron (WFC)/toys#Unicron|Unicron Megatron]], [[Ultra Magnus (WFC)#BHCyberverse|Ultra Magnus]], and [[Bludgeon (Prime)|Decepticon Bludgeon]] (released in Asia, Europe and Canada)
*''Transformers: Prime: Beast Hunters'' Deluxe Class [[Bumblebee (WFC)/toys#BHDeluxe2014|Bumblebee]], [[Twinstrike (Prime)#Deluxe Class|Twinstrike]], [[Smokescreen (Prime)#Deluxe2014|Smokescreen]], and [[Windrazor (Prime)#Deluxe|Windrazor]] (released in Asia and Europe)
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===Toys that underwent significant design changes===
[[File:Hotshotprotocolor.jpg|thumb|upright=0.7|Not Shot.]]
In some instances, a toy was never released in its originally intended form, but ''a'' toy which sports remnants of the planned version ''was'', thus making it not really an "unreleased" toy in the strictest sense, but still much more than a standard design change.

See "[[Design change#Design change or unreleased toy?|design change]]" for details.
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==See also==
*[[Pre-Transformer]]

==References==
<references/>

==External links==
*[http://s33.photobucket.com/albums/d75/binalternator/unreleased/ Galleries of various unreleased toys] (photos compiled from various websites and eBay auctions)
*[http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/viewtopic.php?t=37634 Dairycon 2008 report featuring the concepts for the supposed Hooligan, Starscream, Megatron and Optimus Prime]

[[Category:Lists]]
[[Category:Unreleased toys| *]]
[[Category:Things that don't exist]]

Chop Shop (disambiguation)

2025-09-14T21:41:04Z

Omegatron: RID Chop Shop has more screentime than Cyberworld Chop Shop

'''Chop Shop''' is a creepy Decepticon insect.

==Major Chop Shops==
<center><gallery widths="250px" heights="200px">
File:Chop Shop-RID.jpg|[[Chop Shop (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' Chop Shop]]
File:Cyberworld ChopShopProfile.jpg|[[Chop Shop (Cyberworld)|''Cyberworld'' Chop Shop]]
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Chop Shops==

{{disamb|y=[[1985]]|[[Chop Shop (G1)|Chop Shop]], the [[Decepticon]] [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2015]]|[[Chop Shop (RID)|Chop Shop]], the Decepticon from [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 franchise)|''Robots in Disguise'']].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2025]]|[[Chop Shop (Cyberworld)|Chop Shop]], the Decepticon from ''[[Transformers: Cyberworld (franchise)|Cyberworld]].''}}

{{disambig}}

Missing Link

2025-08-28T22:09:27Z

Omegatron: /* General retail */

[[File:Missing Link logo.png|500px|center]]

'''''Missing Link''''' (ミッシングリンク ''Misshingu Rinku''), occasionally styled '''''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers]]: Missing Link''''' (戦え! 超ロボット生命体トランスフォーマーミッシングリンク ''Tatakae! Chō Robotto Seimeitai Toransufōmā Misshingu Rinku''), is a [[2024]] [[reissue]]-adjacent [[TakaraTomy]] toyline that commemorates the 40th anniversary of the [[Transformers brand|''Transformers'' brand]] with 1:1 recreations of original Generation 1 toys re-engineered from the ground up with top-of-the-line contemporary articulation, paintwork, and accessories. The line also features all-new packaging illustrations from original Generation 1 artists [[Shin Ueda]] & [[Hidetsugu Yoshioka]].

==Toys==
===General retail===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[2024]], [[February 24]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|C-01 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Missing Link|Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-a1|C-02 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Missing Link Anime|Convoy (Anime Edition)]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' (2024, [[November 30]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|C-03 [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Missing Link|Bumble]]}}
{{Bp-a1|C-04 [[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys#Missing Link|Cliff]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[2025]], [[June 28]])
{{Bp-a1|C-05 [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Missing Link|Sunstreaker]]}}
{{Bp-a1|C-06 [[Cordon (G1)#Missing Link|Cordon]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' (2025, [[September 27]])
{{Bp-a1|C-07 [[Arcee (G1)/toys#Missing Link|Arcee (prototype)]]}}
{{Bp-a1|C-08 [[Arcee (G1)/toys#MissingLinkToon|Arcee]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF-Missing-Link-C-02-Convoy-Anime-Color.jpg|thumb|250px|C-02 Convoy (Anime Edition)]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' (2025, [[December 27]])
{{Bp-a1|C-09 Cybertron Hero Set (w/ [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Missing Link|Bumble]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys#Missing Link|Cliff]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' ([[2026]], [[February]])
{{Bp-d1|C-01N [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Missing Link|Nemesis Prime]]}}
</ul>
|}

===Exclusives===
:'''40th Anniversary Transformers Expo 2024''' (2024 [[September 13]])
<ul class="iconlist">
:{{Bp-a1|C-01S [[Sentinel Prime (G1)#Missing Link|Sentinel Prime]]}}
</ul>
{{--}}

==Notes==
*''Missing Link'''s [[List of Japanese ID numbers|ID number]] schema plays into the theme: the numbering system of the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)|original Japanese toyline]] restarted in its second year beginning with "C-50" (Cybertron #50) for [[Autobot]]s and "D-50" (Destron #50) for [[Decepticon]]s. This leaves C-01 to C-49 and D-01 to D-49 "missing," thus ''Missing Link'' starting with C-01.

==External links==
*[https://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/tf_missinglink/ ''Missing Link'' official website]

[[Category:Japanese toylines]]
[[Category:Generation 1 toylines]]
[[Category:Missing Link]]

Neil Kaplan

2025-08-18T12:05:26Z

Omegatron:

[[Image:Neil Kaplan.jpg|right|250px|thumb|{{w|James Bond}} was never this cool.]]

'''Neil Kaplan''' (born [[March 9]], [[1967]]) is an American voice actor. He voiced several characters on ''Digimon'', Genryūsai Shigekuni Yamamoto on ''Bleach'', Madara Uchiha on ''Naruto'', Diabolico on ''Power Rangers Lightspeed Rescue'', Vulcan Haestus in ''Promare'', Emperor Zarkon on ''Voltron: Legendary Defender'', and he's a bloody nice guy.

==Voice roles==
===''Robots in Disguise''===
* [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]]
* [[Ro-Tor (RID)|Ro-Tor]]

===''Revenge of the Fallen:'' The Game===
*[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]
*Additional Voices

==Convention appearances==
* [[BotCon 2002]]

==Notes==

*Kaplan was interviewed for a special feature on [[Rhino_Entertainment|Kid Rhino]]'s ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]]'' Season 2 Part 1 DVD set... Despite not actually ''appearing on that show''.
*Kaplan has claimed that he was once called in to record dialogue for ''Robots in Disguise'' Megatron when [[Daniel Riordan]] was unavailable, although for what episode this might have been is unknown.
*Kaplan had originally auditioned for [[X-Brawn]] before he was cast as Optimus Prime, a role he didn't even audition for but ultimately was cast as.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne0oEwfthSs&t=35s Voice Actor Neil Kaplan Discusses Becoming Optimus Prime (Robots In Disguise) - TFcon] on YouTube</ref>
*During the RID recording sessions, Kaplan would sometimes burst into a Bullwinkle inspired voice called "Optimoose" much to the chagrin of ADR director [[Michael McConnohie]].
*In [[2024]] Neil Kaplan provided [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46oEjpSfK1I an unofficial voice over narration] for the [[Hasbro_Pulse#HasLab|HasLab]] [[Omega_Prime#Legacy|Omega Prime]] promotional video as well backed the Omega Prime HasLab figure.

==External links==
* [http://www.nekap.net/ Neil Kaplan's official website]
* [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0438341/ Neil Kaplan at the Internet Movie Database]
* [https://twitter.com/NeKap Neil Kaplan's Twitter feed]

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Kaplan, Neil}}
[[Category:Convention guests]]
[[Category:English voice actors]]
[[Category:Activision]]

Neil Kaplan

2025-08-18T11:49:52Z

Omegatron:

[[Image:Neil Kaplan.jpg|right|250px|thumb|{{w|James Bond}} was never this cool.]]

'''Neil Kaplan''' (born [[March 9]], [[1967]]) is an American voice actor. He voiced several characters on ''Digimon'', Genryūsai Shigekuni Yamamoto on ''Bleach'', Madara Uchiha on ''Naruto'', Diabolico on ''Power Rangers Lightspeed Rescue'', Vulcan Haestus in ''Promare'', Emperor Zarkon on ''Voltron: Legendary Defender'', and he's a bloody nice guy.

==Voice roles==
===''Robots in Disguise''===
* [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]]
* [[Ro-Tor (RID)|Ro-Tor]]

===''Revenge of the Fallen:'' The Game===
*[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]
*Additional Voices

==Convention appearances==
* [[BotCon 2002]]

==Notes==

*Kaplan was interviewed for a special feature on [[Rhino_Entertainment|Kid Rhino]]'s ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]]'' Season 2 Part 1 DVD set... Despite not actually ''appearing on that show''.
*Kaplan has claimed that he was once called in to record dialogue for ''Robots in Disguise'' Megatron when [[Daniel Riordan]] was unavailable, although for what episode this might have been is unknown.
*Kaplan had originally auditioned for [[X-Brawn]] before he was cast as Optimus Prime, a role he didn't even audition for but ultimately was cast as.
*During the RID recording sessions, Kaplan would sometimes burst into a Bullwinkle inspired voice called "Optimoose" much to the chagrin of ADR director [[Michael McConnohie]].
*In [[2024]] Neil Kaplan provided [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46oEjpSfK1I|an unofficial voice over narration] for the [[Hasbro_Pulse#HasLab|HasLab]] [[Omega_Prime#Legacy|Omega Prime]] promotional video as well backed the Omega Prime HasLab figure.

==External links==
* [http://www.nekap.net/ Neil Kaplan's official website]
* [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0438341/ Neil Kaplan at the Internet Movie Database]
* [https://twitter.com/NeKap Neil Kaplan's Twitter feed]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Kaplan, Neil}}
[[Category:Convention guests]]
[[Category:English voice actors]]
[[Category:Activision]]

Highbrow (TF 2010)

2025-08-18T09:27:40Z

Omegatron: /* Transformers (2010) */

{{faction|autobot}}
{{disambig3|Highbrow}}
:''Highbrow is an [[Autobot]] from the [[movie continuity family]] (via the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' toyline]]).''
[[File:Highbrow TF2010 boxart.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|"They may take our spiders, but they'll never take our PRETZELS!"]]

With age comes experience, and in '''Highbrow'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s case, that's a lot of combat experience. He has ended up fighting many seemingly unwinnable battles in his lifetime, but nobody has managed to take him out just yet. Highbrow may be old, but he's far from frail.

==Fiction==
===Toy bios===
Highbrow and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] once teamed up to take on [[The Fallen]]. Certainly knowing that they will probably not win, at least they got to show The Fallen just how determined the [[Autobot]]s were to stopping him. {{storylink|The Fallen/toys#TF2010Voyager|''Hunt for the Decepticons'' Voyager The Fallen}} Highbrow was also pretty resourceful, as he could easily show Ratchet at least twenty ways the medic could use that [[laser scalpel]] of his to weaken and cripple even the most powerful of [[Decepticon]]s. {{storylink|Ratchet (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys 2|Rescue Ratchet (Deluxe)}}

===''Unite for the Universe''===
[[File:UniteForUniverse3-HighbrowTomahawkRatchet.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|Oh, hey, ''there's'' the last plane out of Saigon!]]
When [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] used the [[Project Unite|Unite]] process to power himself up and challenge [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s leadership, [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] was dispatched with a weapon that would fry the Unite components and neutralize the threat. Highbrow and [[Tomahawk (TF 2010)|Tomahawk]] flew escort for the [[NEST]] plane carrying Ratchet to the battle zone. {{storylink|The Strongest Weapon}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===''Transformers'' (2010)===
[[File:TF2010-toy Highbrow.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|"[[Incinerator (Movie)|Incinerator]] ain't got nothing on me!"]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Highbrow''' (Voyager Class, [[2010]]/[[2011]])}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''AA-11'''
:*''Accessories'': 2 gatling guns
{{toydesigner|[[Alex Kubalsky]] (TakaraTomy)}}

: Released in the third wave of [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|''Hunt for the Decepticons'']] Voyagers, Highbrow transforms into a World War II-style fighter reminiscent of the {{w|Lockheed P-38 Lightning}}, and features propellers which are geared to spin if you press the engines down. In robot mode, he features a flip-down battle mask, is armed with two non-firing gatling guns which can mount on his hip guards/small front wings via [[5 mm post]], and the propellers on his forearms can be swung down to function as "spinning blade weapons." Highbrow's battle mask resembles the goggles and headgear of a WWII American fighter pilot, and the lenses of the goggles are made of a clear plastic. This allows one to see Highbrow's eyes when the mask is down, as lowering the mask reveals much more of the clear plastic on the back of his head, allowing the [[light-piping]] to shine through more.

:With the cockpit shell halves splitting open and forming the wings, at the same time revealing the thruster attached underneath the "main" cockpit body, which is then flipped down, the cockpit [[kibble]] on his back actually turns into a ''[[jet pack|jet-pack]]''.

:His robot-to-vehicle instructions completely forget the "fold cockpit back into place" step (which would go between steps 14 and 15), but fortunately it's pretty obvious. Strangely, he does not have a faction symbol in either mode, something of a rarity among modern Transformers.

:The Takara ''Autobot Alliance'' release features a darker, more muted sand blue on the plane undercarriage/robot chest and legs compared to the Hasbro version's bright powder blue.

:This mold, with the [[Retool#Gang-molded alternate parts|alternate head]], was [[redeco]]ed to make ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#GDO|Generations]]'' [[Powerdive#Generations|Powerdive]], and was also [[retool]]ed into ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' [[Obsidian (BM)#Timelines 2|Obsidian]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/Highbrow/highbrow.htm More information on Highbrow at TFU.info]''

==Notes==
* [[Bill Rawley]] explained at [[BotCon 2010]] that Highbrow's tailfin symbol is a pretzel with tarantula legs. This was meant as an oblique reference to [[Jared Wade]]'s father-in-law, who flew a P-38 Lightning, and whose callsign had something to do with pretzels and/or spiders.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Highbrow''' (ハイブロウ ''Haiburō'')

[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen Autobots]]
[[Category:Transformers (2010) Autobots]]

Shredhead

2025-08-02T19:44:32Z

Omegatron: /* Energon Universe */ Changed to past tense

{{factions|autobot}}
:''Shredhead is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Energon Universe]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:TF18Shredhead.jpg|upright=1.5|thumb|It's time to live and learn.]]

The first [[Autobot]] warrior born on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in years, '''Shredhead''' is created from the combined [[spark|sparks]] of [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]]'s clan, not only to bolster the forces of [[Elita One (G1)#Energon Universe|Elita One's]] resistance cell, but to also bring back hope.

{{bigquote|You guys ready to shred?|Shredhead|[[Transformers (2023) issue 18|''Transformers'' #18]]}}

==Fiction==
===Energon Universe===
After [[Starscream (G1)#Energon Universe|Starscream]] and the [[Decepticon]]s killed his clan, {{storylink|Transformers (2023) issue 6|Transformers #6}} Cliffjumper went back to the bombing site to collect the remaining spark energy of his friends. Storing their remains in a [[spark canister]], he buried the canister under the rubble, reasoning that the Decepticons wouldn't disturb them when there appeared to be nothing left.

Millennia later, after Cliffjumper had left Cybertron and headed for [[Earth]] with [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Energon Universe|Optimus Prime]], then returned to Cybertron by accident, {{storylink|Transformers (2023) issue 15|Transformers #15}} Cliffjumper went with Elita and [[Bluestreak (G1)#Energon Universe|Bluestreak]] to where his clan's sparks were buried, digging up the canister with the intent to use them at the [[Well of All Sparks|Well of Sparks]]. While there were only pieces of each of his friends, and not enough to bring any of them back, Cliffjumper hoped that there was enough to create something new at the Well of Sparks, pointing out that Elita's resistance cell needed more warriors. Bluestreak agreed, suggesting that maybe a new Autobot could bring back hope to the scattered Autobot forces still on Cybertron. {{storylink|Transformers (2023) issue 16|Transformers #16}} Despite her reservations with the plan, Elita eventually agreed with Bluestreak that the sparks in the canister was a gift, one that could be used to fight the Decepticons, and joined Cliffjumper's team to infiltrate the Well of Sparks.

While Bluestreak, [[Blurr (G1)#Energon Universe|Blurr]], and [[Warpath (G1)#Energon Universe|Warpath]] ran interference outside, Cliffjumper brought the canister into the hall and inserted it into the control console. Once the console determined the amount of sparks collected was enough to begin a creation event, with the push of a button the process started. The console's program scanned the remains of [[Carly (G1)|Carly's]] van for use as the secondary form, and with a flash of smoke the new Autobot stepped out of the Well of Sparks. First referring to themself as "We," then "I," they stated they recognized Cliffjumper from their past, prompting him to ask what the combined sparks of his clan was called. With a shield in one hand and an energy sword in another, the new Autobot declared their name was Shredhead. {{storylink|Transformers (2023) issue 17|Transformers #17}}

Driving out of the Well of Sparks, Shredhead quickly saved Bluestreak from being eaten by crashing into [[Carnivac (G1)|Carnivac]], then transformed into robot mode and cut apart Carnivac with their sword. [[Bitstream (G1)|Bitstream]] immediately tried to challenge them but lost his arms and guns in the process, prompting [[Hotlink (G1)|Hotlink]] to try and surrender. As Shredhead vertically cut him in half, Elita and Cliffjumper rejoined Bluestreak and the others, with Elita thinking that they may have just turned the tide. {{storylink|Transformers (2023) issue 18|Transformers #18}}

After the battle, Shreadhead asked what Cliffjumper was looking at, to which he replied that he was thinking of a [[Carly (G1)|friend]]. Cliffjumper then asked if Shredhead still recognized him. Shredhead said that seeing Cliffjumper's face was like recalling a memory too hazy to make sense of. Shredhead then asked Cliffjumper about Carly; and Ciffjumper described her and how she was the one that painted what's on the side of Shredhead's van [[alternate mode]]. Sensing Cliffjumper's worry, Shredhead urged Cliffjumper to go and rescue her. {{storylink|Transformers (2023) issue 20|Transformers #20}}

==Notes==
*On the letters page of [[Transformers (2023) issue 17|Transformers #17]], [[Skybound Entertainment|Skybound]] editor Ben Abernathy stated that Shredhead had been in the pipeline for some time before their debut in [[Transformers (2023) issue 17|''Transformers'' #17]].
*Also in the letters page of issue #17, both Ben and [[Daniel Warren Johnson]] refer to Shredhead with they/them pronouns, and so this page refers to them as such.

[[Category:Comic-only Autobots]]
[[Category:Nonbinary characters]]
[[Category:Energon Universe Autobots]]

List of Generation 1 comics

2025-07-18T11:43:19Z

Omegatron: /* Other Generation 1-based IDW series */

{{nav-G1|logo=TransformersMarvelUK100sLogo.png}} 

The [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1 franchise]] encompasses many types of fiction, but none have been as prolific as its various [[Comics|comic-book]] series. They include:

==English language comics==
===Marvel Comics===
{{main|Marvel Comics}}
====Marvel Comics continuity====
{{main|Marvel Comics continuity}}
* [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel US)]] #1-80 (1984–1991) — The original Transformers comic book series, published in the 1980s and later reprinted by [[Titan Books]] and [[IDW Publishing]]. It also spawned mutually-contradictory sequel series under the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' franchises and IDW's ''[[The Transformers: Regeneration One|Regeneration One]]''. Primarily written by [[Bob Budiansky]], before [[Simon Furman]] took over with [[Back from the Dead|issue #56]].
* "[[The Night the Transformers Saved Christmas]]" (1985, published in ''Woman's Day'' magazine)
* ''[[G.I. Joe and the Transformers (comic)|G.I. Joe and the Transformers]]'' (1986)
* ''[[The Transformers: Headmasters]]'' (1987) — the first Transformers miniseries, introducing the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] characters before their story continued in the main comic starting with [[Trial by Fire!|issue #38]].
* ''[[The Transformers Universe (Marvel)|The Transformers Universe]]'' (1986) — a miniseries with character profiles. Continued as backup material in the main comic.

Meanwhile, their British branch, Marvel UK, also published Transformers comics, a mix of reprinted strips from the US series (occasionally slightly edited or recontextualized) and original strips primarily written by the aforementioned Simon Furman:

* [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|''The Transformers'' (Marvel UK)]] #1-332
* ''[[Transformers Annual]]'' 1985–1987, 1989-1992 — a yearly series of hardback books with a mix of new comics, reprinted comics, text stories and features.
* ''[[Transformers Collected Comics]]'' (1985-1994) — a companion series, reprinting entire stories from the main Marvel UK run (hence the name), in many ways a precursor of the modern trade paperback. They were published on a semi-regular basis, usually as Summer or Winter specials.

====Other Generation 1-based Marvel series====
* ''[[Transformers: The Movie (Marvel comic)|Transformers: The Movie]]'' #1-3 (1986) — a three-issue adaptation of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''
* ''[[New Avengers/Transformers]]'' #1-4 (2007) — A crossover series with the [[2005 IDW continuity]] version of the Transformers.

===Dreamwave Productions===
{{main|Dreamwave Productions}}
====Dreamwave Generation One continuity====
{{main|Dreamwave Generation One continuity}}
Several miniseries and an ongoing series published by [[Dreamwave Productions]]. Several series were [[Unreleased Dreamwave issues|cut short]] with Dreamwave's bankruptcy.

* ''[[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)|Transformers: Generation One]]'' vol. 1 #1-6, vol. 2 #1-6, vol. 3 #0-10 (2002-2004)
* ''[[Transformers: The War Within]]'' #1-6 (2002-2003)
** ''[[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages]]'' #1-6 (2003-2004)
** ''[[Transformers: War Within: The Age of Wrath]]'' #1-3 (2004, #4-6 unpublished)
* ''[[Transformers: Micromasters]]'' #1-4 (2004)
* ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye]]'' #1-8 (2003) — a miniseries with character profiles, in the vein of Marvel's ''[[The Transformers Universe (Marvel)|The Transformers Universe]]''

====Other Generation 1-based Dreamwave series====
* ''[[Transformers/G.I. Joe]]'' #1-6 (2003-2004), ''[[Transformers/G.I. Joe: Divided Front]]'' #1 (2004, #2-6 unpublished) — Dreamwave's own ''Generation 1'' / ''G.I. Joe'' crossover, cut short during its second miniseries by bankruptcy.

===IDW Publishing===
{{main|IDW Publishing}}
====2005 IDW continuity (2005–2018)====
{{main|2005 IDW continuity}}
IDW published a robust series of ongoings, miniseries, one-shots and crossovers throughout the thirteen-year span of their original Generation 1-based continuity, which later grew to include [[Hasbro Universe|other Hasbro-owned properties]]. A full list can be seen at [[IDW Publishing#G1 rebooted|IDW Publishing § G1 rebooted]], but the major series included:

* The "-ations" (2005–2009) — [[Simon Furman]] returned to reboot the Transformers continuity with a series of miniseries; ''[[The Transformers: Infiltration]]'' #0–6, ''[[The Transformers: Stormbringer]]'' #1–4, ''[[The Transformers: Escalation]]'' #1–6, ''[[The Transformers: Devastation]]'' #1–6, a number of ''[[The Transformers: Spotlight]]'' one-shots, culminating in the "[[Revelation (IDW)|Revelation]]" arc, and ''[[The Transformers: Maximum Dinobots]]''.
* ''[[The Transformers: Megatron Origin]]'' #1–4 (2007)
* ''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron]]'' #1–16 (2008–2009) — A "soft reboot" of the IDW universe under the controversial pen of [[Shane McCarthy]]
* ''[[The Transformers (IDW)|The Transformers (IDW vol. 1)]]'' #1–31 (2009–2011) — [[Mike Costa]] writing a "post-war" scenario where the Transformers were initially largely trapped on Earth post-''All Hail Megatron'' for lack of resources.
** Spin-offs during this period included ''[[The Transformers: Bumblebee]]'' #1–4 (2009–2010), ''[[The Transformers: Ironhide]]'' #1–4 (2010), ''[[The Transformers: Drift]]'' #1–4 (2010), ''[[Infestation (IDW)|The Transformers: Infestation]]'' #1–2 (2011) and ''[[The Transformers: Heart of Darkness]]'' #1–4 (2011); the last two of which, by [[Dan Abnett]] and [[Andy Lanning]], set up the final arc of the Costa ongoing, leading into another "soft reboot" of sorts.
* ''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers]]'' #1–5 (2010)
** ''[[The Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers]]'' #1–5 (2015–2016)
** ''[[Transformers: Requiem of the Wreckers]]'' (2018)
* ''[[Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime]]'' (2011) — A one-shot co-written by [[John Barber]] and [[James Roberts]], setting up the new status quo for the books which followed, with Cybertron once more inhabitable
** [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers: Robots in Disguise'' #1–34 & Annual 2012 (2012–2014); ''The Transformers'' (IDW vol. 2)]] #35–57 (2014–2016) & [[Thundercracker & Buster Save the World|Revolution]]; and ''[[Optimus Prime (comic)|Optimus Prime]]'' #1–25 (2016–2018) — John Barber's series spinning out of ''The Death of Optimus Prime'', initially set on the revitalized Cybertron before moving to Earth
** ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye]]'' #1–57, Annual 2012 & ''[[Nothing Will Ever Be the Same Again!|Revolution]]'' (2012–2016); and ''[[The Transformers: Lost Light]]'' #1–25 (2016–2018), — James Roberts' series spinning out of ''The Death of Optimus Prime'', featuring [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rodimus]] leading a motley crew of Autobots and occasional others on a quixotic quest for the [[Knights of Cybertron]] and the kerfuffles they get into along the way.
** [[Dark Cybertron (IDW)|Dark Cybertron]] (2013–2014) — A crossover event between ''Robots in Disguise'' and ''More than Meets the Eye'', plus two one-shots to open and close the event.
** ''[[The Transformers: Windblade]]'' vol. 1 #1–4 (2014), vol. 2 #1–7 (2015), [[An Uneventful Night|''The Transformers:
Combiner Hunters'' #1]] (2015), ''[[The Transformers: Till All Are One]]'' #1–12, [[Informed|''Revolution'']], Annual 2017 — [[Mairghread Scott]] continues the story on Cybertron.
** ''[[Revolution]]'' — A crossover event folding in other Hasbro properties to the universe
* ''[[The Transformers: Autocracy]]'' #1–12 (digital, 2012), ''[[The Transformers: Monstrosity]]'' #1–12 (digital, 2013)/#1–4 (print, 2013), ''[[The Transformers: Primacy]]'' #1–4 (print, 2014) — Tales set during the early war, by writers Chris Metzen and Flint Dille and artist Livio Ramondelli.
* ''[[The Transformers: Redemption of the Dinobots]]'': ''[[The Transformers: Punishment]]'' #1–5 (2014), ''[[The Transformers: Redemption]]'' (2015) and ''[[The Transformers: Salvation]]'' (2017)
* ''[[Transformers: Unicron]]'' #0–6 (2018) — Written by John Barber as the conclusion to the universe,

====2019 IDW continuity (2019–2022)====
{{main|2019 IDW continuity}}
Having launched ''Unicron'' by stating it would be the conclusion of their ongoing ''Transformers'' universe, in December 2018 IDW announced a new continuity to replace it. <ref>https://www.cbr.com/idw-relaunch-transformers-comics-2019/</ref>

* [[Transformers (2019 comic)|''Transformers'']] #1–43, Annual 2021 (2019–2022) — IDW Publishing's first ground-up reboot of their ''Transformers'' continuity explores the beginning of the Great War between the Autobots and the Decepticons.
* ''[[Transformers: Galaxies]]'' #1–12 (2019–2020)— An anthology of side stories, focusing on adventures far away from the action on Cybertron.
* ''[[Transformers: Escape]]'' #1-5 (2021)— An alliance of scientists and engineers try to evacuate Cybertron's organic immigrants amidst the chaos of civil war.
* ''[[Transformers: Wreckers—Tread & Circuits]]'' #1-4 (2021-2022) — A new iteration of the [[Wreckers]] battle [[Mayhem Attack Squad|Mayhem]] on [[Velocitron]].
* ''[[Transformers: War's End]]'' #1-4 (2022)

====Other Generation 1-based IDW series====
* ''[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]]'' (2006) A four-issue adaptation of the original ''Transformers'' film, 1986's ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''; marks the film's 20th anniversary and new DVD release.
* ''[[Hearts of Steel]]'' (2006) — Places the Generation 1 Transformers in the American West during the Industrial Revolution.
** ''[[Infestation 2]]'' (2012) — The sequel to ''Infestation''. This time, it's Lovecraftian demons that invade the various licensed properties. The Transformers-specific issues take place in the ''Hearts of Steel'' universe.
** ''[[The X-Files: Conspiracy: The Transformers|The X-Files: Conspiracy]]'' (2014) — Another multi-brand crossover, this time involving ''The X-Files'' series, whose Transformers-specific issue takes place in the present day of the ''Hearts of Steel'' universe.
** In 2017, a version of the ''Hearts of Steel'' story was retroactively folded into the main IDW universe via [[Revolutionaries]]; the first two stories listed here are also canon in the ongoing G1 continuity.
* ''[[The Transformers: Regeneration One]]'' (2012–2014) — A limited series set in the main [[Marvel Comics continuity]] that continues on from the [[End of the Road! (US)|final issue]] of the Marvel's original ''[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Transformers]]'' series 21 years later, ignoring the events of both of the Marvel UK material and the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Generation 2]]'' comics.
* ''[[Mars Attacks: The Transformers]]'' (2013) One-shot crossover comic with the trading card franchise.
* ''[[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe]]'' (2014–2017) — Crossover maxiseries set in a separate continuity.
* ''[[Transformers: Bumblebee - Win If You Dare]]'' & ''[[Transformers: Bumblebee - Go For the Gold]]'' (2018) — A graphic novel and one-shot comic book prequel set in a version of the Generation 1 cartoon continuity.
* ''[[Star Trek vs. Transformers]]'' (2018–2019) — Five-issue limited crossover series featuring the cast of ''[[Star Trek]]'''s 1974 {{w|Star Trek: The Animated Series|animated series}}.
* ''[[Transformers/Ghostbusters]]'' (2019) — Five-issue limited crossover series set in IDW's ''Ghostbusters'' comics continuity.
* ''[[Transformers '84 issue 0|Transformers '84]]'' (2019) — A one-shot prequel to the 1980s Marvel comic series.
* ''[[Transformers vs. The Terminator]]'' (2020) — Four-issue limited crossover series.
* ''[[Transformers '84: Secrets & Lies]]'' (2020) — Four-issue limited sequel series to the aforementioned ''Transformers '84'' one-shot.
* ''[[My Little Pony/Transformers: Friendship in Disguise!]]'' (2020) — Four-issue limited crossover series.
* ''[[Transformers/Back to the Future]]'' (2020-2021) — Four-issue limited crossover series.
* ''[[My Little Pony/Transformers: The Magic of Cybertron]]'' (2021) — Four-issue limited crossover series.
* ''[[Transformers: King Grimlock]]'' (2021) — A limited series based loosely on the ''The Transformers'' episode "[[Madman's Paradise]]".

===Skybound Entertainment===
{{main|Skybound Entertainment}}

After the end of IDW's tenure on the ''Transformers'' license, Skybound Entertainment began publishing new ''Transformers'' comics.

====Energon Universe (2023–)====
{{main|Energon Universe}}

* ''[[Void Rivals]]''
* ''[[Transformers (2023 comic)|Transformers]]''
* ''[[Duke (comic)|Duke]]''
* ''[[Cobra Commander (comic)|Cobra Commander]]''
* ''[[Scarlett (comic)|Scarlett]]''
* ''[[Destro (comic)|Destro]]''
* ''[[G.I. Joe (2024 comic)|G.I. Joe]]''

===Other publishers===
====Blackthorne Publishing====
* ''[[Transformers in 3-D]]'' (1987) — The very short-lived [[Blackthorne Publishing]] series printed in {{w|Anaglyph 3D|stereoscopic 3D}}.

====Devil's Due Press====
{{main|Devil's Due Press|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers continuity}}

As the then-current comic licence holders for ''G.I. Joe'', [[Devil's Due Press|Devil's Due]] published four miniseries (initially through [[Image Comics]], later independently)
* ''[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers]]'' #1-6 (2003–2004)
* ''[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II]]'' #1-4 (2004)
* ''[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers: The Art of War]]'' #1-5 (2006)
* ''[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers: Black Horizon]]'' #1-2 (2007)

==Japanese language comics==
{{main|List of Japanese Generation 1 comics}}
===TV Magazine===
* ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (manga)|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers]]'' #1-8 (1985-1986)
* ''[[Full Throttle Scramble Power!]]'' (1986)
* ''[[The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers]]'' #1-5 (1986-1987)
* ''[[The Great Transformer War]]'' #1-3 (1987)
* ''[[Transformers: The Headmasters (manga)|Transformers: The Headmasters]]'' #1-8 (1987-1988)
* ''[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (manga)|Transformers: Super-God Masterforce]]'' #1-12 (1988-1989)
* ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (manga)|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory]]'' #1-10 (1989-1990)
* ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (manga)|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone]]'' one-shot (1990)
* ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (manga)|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars]]'' one-shot (1991)

==International comics==
===Condor Verlag===
{{main|Condor Verlag}}
* ''[[Die Transformer]]'' (3 issues, 1986)
* ''[[Transformers Gratis-Comic-Leseprobe]]'' (free preview of the first few pages of ''Comic-Magazin'' #1)
* ''[[Transformers Comic-Magazin]]'' (24 issues, 1989–1992)
* ''[[Action Force Comic-Magazin]]'' (6 issues, 1989–1990; issues 5 contains a crossover with Transformers; issue 6's cover falsely claims Transformers appear inside)
* ''[[Transformers Extra Comic-Sonderheft]]'' (3 issues, 1989–1991)
* ''[[Transformers Comic-Taschenbuch]]'' (4 issues, 1990–1991)
* ''[[Transformers Super-Auswahlband]]'' (? issues, 1992-?)

===Panini Italia===
{{main|Transformers (Panini)}}
{{comicstub}}

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Generation 1|List of Generation 1 comics]]
[[Category:Generation 1 comic series|Generation 1 comic series]]
[[Category:Generation 1 media]]

Matrix Gauntlet

2025-07-08T15:22:55Z

Omegatron: /* Power of the Primes */

[[File:Matrix Gauntlet.jpg|thumb|Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.]]
The '''Matrix Gauntlet''' (マトリクスガントレット ''Matorikusu Gantoretto''), also known as the '''Yellow Matrix''' (イエローマトリクス ''Ierō Matorikusu''), is the vessel of the [[Star Power|Yellow Star Power]], one of the Seven Lights of creation of the [[Precursor World]]. It is entrusted to the leader of the [[Yellow Order]] of the [[Primus Vanguard]]. The central component can be carried in a normal Matrix-like container or inserted into the gauntlet, forming a hand that can block all attacks.

==Fiction==
===Precursor World===
[[File:Primus Vanguard Yellow Matrix.jpg|thumb|left]]

In the final battle between the Primus Vanguard and the [[Specter]]s, Yellow Order leader [[Yellow Splendid Convoy]] unleashed the Yellow Matrix's Star Power along with the other six Lights to annihilate the Specters, which had the secondary effect of combining their multiverse into a [[Precursor World|single multicolored world]]. Later, [[Primus#The old universe|Primus]], driven mad by [[Black Legendisc|grim visions]] of an [[G1 World|apocalyptic future]], demanded the Yellow Matrix so that he might destroy the universe; Splendid declined and returned to the [[Yellow Planet]] with her Matrix. {{storylink|Generations Selects Special Comic Finale Prelude|Finale Prelude}}

Splendid retained the Yellow Matrix till [[Scylla]] came to the [[Yellow Planet]] and took the Matrix after disabling the Yellow Order with her [[Angolmois Energy|Angolmois]] Kisses of death. When [[God Neptune]] was formed, he wore the Matrix Gauntlet as a hand. {{storylink|God Neptune comic 1}} He used it to effortlessly block an opening volley from [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron Omega]] in the ensuing battle for the Matrices of Star Power. The ghost of [[Blue Big Convoy]] then dis''armed'' God Neptune with a mighty blast of the liberated [[Matrix Buster]]. The victorious Megatron Omega subsequently retrieved the Yellow Matrix as well as the other Matrices stolen by the [[Seacon (BW)|Seacons]] and began to absorb their Star Power into his own [[Silver Matrix]], only for a vengeful [[Halfshell]] to split his head open with the [[Neptune Sword]], interrupting the process and sending the Yellow Matrix flying. {{storylink|God Neptune comic 2}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===''Power of the Primes''===
[[File:POTP-Titan-Onyx-Prime.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Predaking''' (Titan Class, [[2018]])
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''PP-31'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': [[September 29]], 2018
{{toydesigner|[[John Warden]] and [[Lynsey Urban]] (Hasbro)|[[Robby Musso]] (concept artist)}}

:''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]] [[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' [[Predaking_(G1)#Power_of_the_Primes|Predaking]]'s [[Onyx Matrix]] (and [[Onyx Prime|Onyx]]) was used to represent the Yellow Matrix in its standard configuration.
{{--}}

===''Golden Lagoon''===
[[File:GL-02-Starscream-Prime-Armor.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Starscream''' (October, 2018)
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''GL-02'''

:''[[The Transformers Golden Lagoon|Golden Lagoon]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Golden Lagoon|Starscream]]'s combiner hand/Prime Armor was used to represent the gauntlet configuration of the Yellow Matrix (with Onyx mounted in the center of the hand).
{{--}}

==See also==
{{Primus Vanguard}}

[[Category:Precursor World matrices]]
[[Category:Yellow Order]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]

Forever Is a Long Time Coming (episode)

2025-06-16T16:40:08Z

Omegatron: /* Real-world references */

{{disambig2|the Generation 1 episode|the ''Punishment'' issue|Forever Is a Long Time Coming (issue)}}
{{episode|
|series=G1toon
|series2=2010
|ep=74
|ep2=9
|prev2=Dark Awakening (episode)
|next2=The Killing Jar (episode)
|image=Time Portal.jpg
|caption=The biggest {{w|Interocitor}} in history.
|title="Forever Is a Long Time Coming"
|season=3
|season ep=9
|production code=700-94
|airdate=[[October 8]], 1986
|written by=[[Gerry Conway]] [[Carla Conway]]
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|animation studio=[[AKOM]], [[Sam Young Studio]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
|video=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8FkCvWUhUY
|videosite=YouTube
}}

'''In an attempt to alter history, the Quintessons open a Time Window to Cybertron's ancient past, but their meddling ultimately causes time itself to begin unraveling.'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:ForeverLongTime Sharkticons asteroid.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Belch Blasters]]

[[Perceptor (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Perceptor]], [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], [[Blurr (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blurr]], and [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] investigate chronal pulses coming from an asteroid belt near [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. They are fired upon by [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]], which launch from an installation on a bowl-shaped asteroid, the source of the pulses. The Autobots make quick work of the Sharkticons as Perceptor tells Blaster to radio [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] for reinforcements. The Autobots land on the asteroid just in time to see a Quintesson scientist open a time portal to eleven million years in the past to retrieve a "target subject", much to Perceptor's horror. The Autobots are fired on by Quintesson ships, which blast Perceptor and herd the other Autobots toward the time portal—much to the chagrin of the scientist. The [[Time Window]] fades out as the Autobots, sans Perceptor, end up eleven million years in the past!

The Quintesson ships continue firing, striking the time portal before being ambushed by [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] and Rodimus Prime. The Quintessons escape as a damaged Perceptor tells Rodimus Prime to find the Autobots and Silverbolt instructs the other Aerialbots not to follow... as a mysterious figure suddenly materializes, confused from the time travel.

[[File:Darkguardian.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|"What did you DO, Ray?"]]

Eleven million years ago, automatic defenses fire upon the Autobots, who quickly retreat. [[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]] charges and runs right into a [[Dark Guardian]] in hot pursuit. The Dark Guardian attempts to step on the Autobots, but is stopped by a shot from an unknown female Transformer called [[Beta (G1)|Beta]], who tells the others to follow her to the [[Warrens]] before the Quintessons send more. She states even though she's taking a risk bringing in Blaster and his cadre, they need all the help they can get for an attack on [[Hive City]]. Beta is disgusted by the "mark of shame" on the Autobots' chests. She explains the Autobot symbol has been a symbol of slavery for over a million years, but that [[Alpha Trion|A-3]] says it must become a symbol of freedom. She states A-3 has a [[Coder Remote]] device to freeze the Dark Guardians, allowing the [[Autobot rebel|slaves]] to rise against the Quintessons. [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] finally realizes they are in Cybertron's past, when the Transformers were still slaves for the Quintessons, and if the Quintessons stop this [[Autobot Rebellion|rebellion]], they would rule Cybertron in the present. Beta notes that A-3 is missing, but that they must attack at dawn with or without him. The Autobots agree to help the slaves in their attack.

[[File:ForeverLongTime A3 superion.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|"Frankly, my dear Superion, I don't give a damn."]]

Back in 2006, the Time Window is leaking energy into space—ripples in the timestream. Rodimus refuses to shut the window down while five Autobots are stuck in the past. The Quintessons fear that if the window isn't closed in the next hour, the ripples will travel through the universe, jeopardizing reality itself—some events will repeat in an endless loop (such as [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] winning a race over and over) while some will reverse (such as water running backward in a lake) and worse, the past and future will collide—evidenced by [[Marissa Faireborn]] reverting to a baby—until the universe ceases to exist. The only solution, according to the Quintessons, is to destroy the Time Window. The scientist orders a full scale assault on the asteroid.

A-3 has finally revived, but refuses to give information to "Quintesson slaves" like the Autobots. A-3 and Rodimus take cover from Quintesson starbombs and an incoming Sharkticon offensive as the other Autobots begin defending the time portal. A-3 is blasted away from the asteroid and tumbles through space before being saved by Superion, who is cornered by Quintesson ships. Under heavy fire and proclaiming his failure, Superion has a vision, seeing A-3 turn into his future self—[[Alpha Trion]]! Suddenly, the ripples in the time stream cause Superion to briefly warp into two places at once, as space and time begin to warp and mutilate itself. The Quintessons retreat, fearing the results of the distortions. Rodimus orders [[Pipes (G1)|Pipes]] to repair Perceptor, as he's the only one that can figure out what's going on. [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] attempts to talk to A-3, who isn't even sure who he is anymore.

[[File:ForeverLongTime Beta rebels.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Blue 42... Blue 42... Hike!]]

Back in the past, the Autobots take part in the raid on Hive City, finding themselves and the slaves against several Dark Guardians, as in the present, the Quintesson scientist proposes an alliance—and for the Time Window be closed. The raid is apparently successful with the help of the Autobots, but a five-faced Quintesson demands surrender, as the Dark Guardians surround the rebellion.

[[File:A-3 Constellation.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|It's a couple of light years away from the Optimus Prime hologram.]]

Rodimus is finally convinced by the Quintesson to close the Time Window, but A-3 volunteers to go through the time portal to retrieve the time-displaced Autobots, much to the Quintesson scientist's chagrin. A-3 lands at the raid point to Beta's elation, as the Quintesson orders the Guardians to attack. A-3 removes the golden Autobot symbol on his chest, which is the Coder Remote in disguise. A-3 triggers the Remote, which disables the Dark Guardians, then orders the Autobots to return to the present, thanking them for their help. The Autobots return to 2006 just in time for Rodimus to close the Time Window, which self-destructs.

As the day is saved, the Autobots finally realize that A-3 was Alpha Trion, as a constellation forms with his likeness.
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Perceptor (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Perceptor]] (1)
* [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] (2)
* [[Blurr (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blurr]] (3)
* [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] (4)
* [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] (5)
* [[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]] (7)
* [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] (10)
* [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] (11)
* [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] (12)
* [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] (13)
* [[Fireflight (G1)|Fireflight]] (14)
* [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]] (15)
* [[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]] (16)
* [[Alpha Trion|A-3/Alpha Trion]] (17)
* [[Beta (G1)|Beta]] (19)
* [[Autobot rebel]]s (20)
* [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] (21)
* [[Pipes (G1)|Pipes]] (22)
* [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] (23)
* [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] (24)
* [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] (25)
* [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] (26)
* [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] (27)

|c3=
* [[Marissa Faireborn]] (27)

|c4=
* [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]] (6)
* [[Quintesson]]s (9)
** [[Inquirata (G1)|Inquirata]] (8)
* [[Dark Guardian]]s (18)
}}

==Quotes==
"So why'd ya-w-why'd ya want us along? This ain't-this ain't our gig-k-kinda gig!"
:—'''Ramhorn''' has a problem with scientific expeditions... and speaking coherently.

[[File:ForeverLongTime Air Raid Silverbolt.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
"How come they made you Aerialbot leader, Silverbolt? You've got no sense of adventure!" 
"Exactly."
:—'''Air Raid''' gets put in his place by '''Silverbolt'''.

"What in the name of Alpha Trion?!"
:—'''Rodimus Prime''', as A-3 comes through the time portal. See what they did there?

"Ohhhh! I don't know where we are but wherever it is it's somewhere but somewhere else would definitely be a better place to be!"
:—'''Blurr''' isn't too fond of ancient Cybertron.

'''Superion''': I... have... failed you Rodimus... it is... finished. 
'''A-3''': No... Superion! ''('transforming' into Alpha Trion)'' You must live... so that I may be born! 
'''Superion''': Alpha... Trion? 
'''A-3''': A... 3...
:—'''Superion''' is given a vision of who ''' A-3 ''' really is.

'''Wreck-Gar''': Shhh! Four-out-of-five robots agree, exceptional headache number one is a mad Dark Guardian. 
'''Blaster''': Right on, but we still gotta lure 'em away from the walls so Beta and the rebels can attack. 
'''Blurr''': Yep, that's what we said we'd do, and I always do what I say I'll do, because I have to, so we'd better do it, because if we say we do and then we don't— 
''[Ramhorn roars and charges the Dark Guardians]'' 
'''Rewind''': I think the die has been cast. 
:—The Autobots discuss strategy as '''Ramhorn''' gets bored.

"You will now put down your arms and return to work, or the Dark Guardians will incinerate you where you stand. Please decide quickly."
:—An ever-polite '''Quintesson''' gives the Autobots a simple choice.

"Your friends want you home. Go, now." 
"Yeah, but—" 
"No time for talk. We thank you for your help, but you must go at once." 
"Okay. I guess we can trust you to win this one. After all, you already did."
:—'''A-3''' and '''Blaster'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
[[File:YoungA3.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
* Gadgets and powers:
** The Sharkticons are able to fly in shark mode. It looks as goofy and awkward as you might expect. This ability will be seen again in "[[The Big Broadcast of 2006 (episode)|The Big Broadcast of 2006]]".
** The nubs on Blurr's upper arms are lasers.
* The Dark Guardians are introduced here, and are obviously the predecessors of the Guardian Robots introduced in "[[War Dawn (episode)|War Dawn]]". The Guardian Robots were protectors of the general populace; in this earlier era, the Dark Guardians are the oppressive servants of the Quintessons.
* Likewise, this episode takes us deep into Cybertron's past, to the slave rebellion outlined in "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4]]". It also gives us our earliest look at the 'bot later known as Alpha Trion.
* Blaster's tapes are awake and active when riding around in his chest.
* So the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] save A-3. To whom they would eventually bring Orion Pax, causing him to be rebuilt in "[[War Dawn (episode)|War Dawn]]" into Optimus Prime. Who would eventually call for the Aerialbots to be built, prompting Alpha Trion to sacrifice his life to give life to the Aerialbots in "[[The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2]]". Who had saved his life 11 million years earlier. Or twenty years later. Circle of life, man.

===Real-world references===
* Blurr rattles off the {{w|Fundamental interaction|four basic forces}} of the universe (the strong force, the weak force, electromagnetic, and gravity).
* Blaster orders Ramhorn to ram the "{{w|Rama Lama Ding Dong}}" out of the Sharkticons, citing the title of a 1957 doo-wop pop song by The Edsels.
*Wreck-Gar gets a few digs in:
** "Golly, Mr. Wizard," is a reference to the famous children-oriented television science show, ''{{w|Watch Mr. Wizard}}'' (later ''Mr. Wizard's World'').
** "We've come a long way, baby!" is a take on a {{w|Virginia Slims}} cigarette ad campaign of the 1970s.
** "Exceptional headache number one" is a take on the "{{w|Excedrin}} headache number" ad campaign.
* ''Star Wars'' sound effects:
** From ''The Empire Strikes Back'': soaring and descending snowspeeders as the Wreck-Gar and Blurr fly around blasting Sharkticons.
** The sound at the start of Rewind's first shot is also a snowspeeder sound effect, from the battle on Hoth.
** Death Star defense lasers during the second Quintesson assault on the asteroid.
* The Quintesson star bomb weapons use the same sound effect as ''Star Trek'''s photon torpedos.

===Animation and technical errors===
* An AKOM episode, featuring AKOM's usual oddities:
** Movie characters often get a colored mouth. Blurr's mouth is blue, for example.
**Rodimus is consistently colored using an outdated color models; his shoulder indentations are red instead of white, his pelvis-windshield details are white instead of light burgundy, and his gun is red instead of black. Additionally, in this episode, Rodimus's back spoiler is all yellow, when it should be orange in the middle.
**A view from behind of Wreck-Gar during the Dark Guardian attack reveals that the animators did not have a rear view model. They appear to have used his toy as a reference.
* Speaking of time loops:
** A shot shows the Autobots flying away from Cybertron... then is repeated a few shots later, showing them leaving ''again''.
** A recycled shot has Perceptor dodging the Quintesson blasts in the same way twice in a row.
* The number of switches on Blaster's chest changes throughout the episode. For instance, in the opening shots, he has anywhere from ''ten'' to just ''one''. When he ejects Ramhorn, it changes from 9 to 5.
* Coloring errors:
** Perceptor's cannon is black instead of red as he answers Blaster's question about the asteroids.
** During the attack, Blaster ejects Rewind and his chest is plain blue instead of grey or yellow.
** Blurr's chest alternates from plain white to white with blue on the bottom throughout the episode (and his Autobot logo appears, moves around from the center to his abs, and disappears in different shots).
** When Beta rescues the Autobots from the Dark Guardian robot, Blaster's Autobot logo isn't colored in.
** Just before the future Autobots attack the Dark Guardians, a group shot from behind has Wheelie colored like Rewind.
** As the Autobots dive into the time gateway, Wheelie is colored like Kup.
* When the asteroid begins firing on the Autobots, Perceptor's Autobot logo is framed in black instead of white.
* The asteroid's shots don't seem to come from any kind of gun emplacement.
* Rewind's transformation sound effect doesn't play until after the shot of him transforming is already over.
* The Quintesson declares "contact with target" before the "energy hook" (which isn't made of energy at all) has even entered the time window.
* Perceptor cries out in pain before he's actually shot. Also the shot misses him completely.
* Although the Autobots are seen flying toward the time window, which begins to fade in and out, they're never actually shown flying INTO the window. Some sound effects play to presumably indicate their passage through.
* As Rodimus arrives to help the Autobots, Perceptor is flying with him instead of Superion. He's supposed to be unconscious on the asteroid at this point.
* When Superion disengages back into the Aerialbots, Silverbolt is formed from his right leg, while his torso turns into Air Raid.
* Ventriloquist bots:
** As the Autobots come under attack from the guardian robot, Rewind points and his faceplate moves as if he's speaking, but he doesn't say anything.
** Superion's faceplate doesn't move for his first line ("I have failed you...").
** As Superion appears in two places at once, the Quintesson commander is shown mouthing the Quintesson scientist's lines.
** Blaster's helmet is red as he and the others observe the massed Dark Guardians.
** Blurr's chest is all white as Rewind explains A-3 to him; Rewind's mouthplate doesn't move as he speaks.
[[File:Blaster Sideways Door.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|Ouch. That's gotta hurt.]]
* When Blaster ejects Rewind on ancient Cybertron, his tape door opens sideways.
* When Rewind asks Beta where A-3 is, his eye disappears.
* Silverbolt's shoulder-wings are mounted incorrectly as he worries about the time window.
* An abnormally huge Wheelie is shown racing Jazz (who's missing the numbers on his doors). (Also watch for a brief cameo glimpse of Bumblebee, Swerve and Springer in the establishing shot!)
[[File:Aerial forever 2.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|AKOM's skillful shot blocking successfully conveys the exact opposite of the script's intent.]]
* A-3 is established be a pretty small dude - only waist-high to the smaller Aerialbots - but he's Rodimus's height when Rodimus tries to strike up a conversation with him, and later is shown as ''taller'' than Silverbolt.
* When the Quintesson bailiff instructs the Sharkticons to attack the Autobots, they are shown with deep space behind them; the next shot shows the Sharkticons exiting the Quintesson ship.
* When Superion is hit by the time ripples, he vanishes, leaving A-3 and the outline of his hand behind. He's supposed to be ''duplicated'', though, so he really should have stayed put.
* Also, the picture is overlapping the top of the left display monitor on the Quintesson ship.
* Beta's rebels hide in a dirt ditch on Cybertron...a planet made of metal.
* The Autobots in the past stand on top of a building in front of the Quintessons' base, but when they jump down, they're in an alcove somewhere in the middle of the building.
* The Dark Guardians fire lasers out of their faces that don't seem to come from any particular laser-firing apparatus.
* As the constellation of the Quintesson talks to the Autobots, Rodimus's chest piece is too big, and there are two generic robots behind him. (They should be the Aerialbots, but if so, they're badly misdrawn.)
[[File:ForeverLongTime Ramhorn guardian.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|Maybe it's a very small Dark Guardian?]]
* As the slave rebellion starts, Ramhorn rams a Dark Guardian and is almost as big as it is!
* As Beta fires her arrow at the Dark Guardians during the big battle, her "slave brand" (Autobot logo) is missing.
* The five-faced Quintesson in the past hovers on board a chair, but when a closeup is shown, the chair is not seen. When the view is restored, the chair is visible again.
** Speaking of the chair, it starts off with a blue flame beneath it, but the flame is red a few shots later.
* The Guardians surrounding the Autobots don't appear until the Quintesson threatens them with incineration.
* "Maybe we should send someone through to find them" - Rodimus's spoiler is missing.
* When A-3 returns to the past, the Autobots are standing in a completely different setting than when we last saw them. They're also no longer surrounded by Dark Guardians.
* The Autobot symbol on A-3's chest is suddenly a solid plate (including surrounding metal) when it is revealed as the Coder Remote, but looks no different from the regular Autobot symbol in previous shots (other than being golden).
* Beta came with four rebels, but two, five and six are shown in various shots.
* A-3 came through the gateway to the past and it was shown as just the frame of the portal, but when the Autobots go through it, it includes the control panel underneath (on ''both'' sides).
* As A-3 tells them to go, Wreck-Gar is next to Blaster on the right, but a shot later, he's behind him on the left.
* Also, as the Autobots dive into the gateway, Ramhorn disappears from the shot.
* When the Autobots land and run away from the gateway, Wheelie is running with them. (He's supposed to be on ''another planet''!) Also, Rewind is missing from the shot.
* Rodimus is nowhere near the gateway after he presses the button. The shot should show him running too.
* As he tells Rodimus they must close the time portal, Perceptor is drawn huge. (If he stood up, he'd be much taller than Rodimus, who is closer to the camera but drawn smaller.)
* Air Raid clips through Rewind as he walks up to deliver the last lines of the episode.

===Continuity errors===
* Flying Autobots:
** Perceptor, Blurr & company fly off of Cybertron and have a whole battle out in space under their own power. No jetpacks are shown or mentioned.
* Why would the Autobots fly right into the Quintessons' device?
* Supposedly, the Quintessons were after Alpha Trion, but the claw at the beginning was grabbing for something sphere-shaped.
* Nobody suspects that A-3 might be Alpha Trion until his "future ghost" talks to Superion.
** And, even more oddly, the Aerialbots are surprised at the end to discover this fact, even though A-3 himself said as much to their combined form!
* Past-Cybertron appears with a partial Earth-like rocky landscape - such as the trench in which Beta and the rebels are hiding - in addition to the conventional metal-plated ground. Are we to assume the Quintessons were still cyberforming the planet as the rebellion started? And did the Quintessons finish during the rebellion, or did the Transformers complete the job afterwards?

===Other trivia===
* The Quintesson scientist is named Inquirata in the script, but is unnamed in the episode proper.
* This is the second episode in a row to conclude with a constellation image of a character, as "[[Dark Awakening (episode)|Dark Awakening]]" ends with a star image Optimus Prime right after his apparent destruction.
* This is one of the few episodes not to feature the [[Decepticon]]s.
*What is it with Aerialbots and [[War Dawn (episode)|time travel episodes]]?

===Foreign localization===
'''French'''
:*''Title (European French broadcast):'' "'''L'éternité est plus longue qu'on ne croit'''" ("Eternity is longer than you think")
:*''Title (Canadian French broadcast):'' "'''La fenêtre du temps'''" ("The Time Window")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?
::*This episode is one of those that has never been released on DVD in French.
::*To date, and although there is probably one in existence, the European French dub of this episode is lost.
::*Concerning the Canadian French dub:
:::*Beta and Rewind both use "Cybertron" in a plural form, like if it was a race of its own.
:::*The noises of the race spectators are missing.
:::*Despite being called "Aérobots" in the dub, Rodimus Prime calls them "Aerialbots" in this episode. Still concerning names, the Primes are called "Rodimus Primo" and "Optimus Primo", when the Canadian dub usually calls them "Rodimus Primus" and "Optimus Primus".

'''German'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Die Ewigkeit dauert lange'''" ("The Eternity takes a long Time")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?
::*This was one of twelve episodes of [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the original cartoon]] released as audio adventures by the [[Germany|German]] company [[Karussell|Karussell Musik und Video]].

'''Italian'''
:*''Title (first dub):'' "'''La finestra del tempo'''" ("The Time Window")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?
::*Starting from this episode, the Aerialbots members (Superion included) are called by their Italian names rather than the English ones like in season 2. On the other hand, the name "Aerialbot" is left in English (although as an invariable noun) despite being previously changed to "Aerobot".
:*''Title (second dub):''"'''L'eternità giungerà tra molto tempo'''" ("Eternity will arrive after a long time")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Japanese'''
:*''Title:'' 時の罠 (''Toki no Wana'', "Time Trap")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[January 16]], [[1987]]

'''Mandarin'''
:*''Title:'' Suìyuè zhī Chuāng (岁月之窗, "Time Window")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Brazilian Portuguese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Para Sempre é Exagero'''" ("Forever is an Overstatement")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?
::*Due to a glitch in the only known surviving audio track of this dub, the only part of the title that is actually audible is "Sempre é Exagero", but it's more plausible that the narrator says "para sempre" as it's a more direct translation from "forever" and makes more sense in context than just "sempre" (which means "ever" or "always").

'''Russian'''
:*''Title:'' Do boodooschego eschyo daleko (До будущего ещё далеко, "It's A Long Way to The Future")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1993 — The Biggest Ever Saturday Morning Picture Show ([[Tempo Video]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2000 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Volume 5: Return to Cybertron ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]])
;{{w|LaserDisc}}
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''The Transformers: 2010'' ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — ''The Transformers: 2010'' — DVD Box (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 3 Part 1 ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 3 Part 1: Vol. 2 (Rhino Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Season 3 and Season 4 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 4: Series 3.1 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season's Three & Four {{sic}} (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2010 — ''The Transformers'' — Seasons Three & Four: 25th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2011 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Original Series (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''The Transformers'' — Seasons Three & Four: 30th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2014 — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Animated Series (Metrodome)

==External links==
* [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808827/ IMDb's page for this episode]
* [https://drive.google.com/open?id=1x2gWADPnQa_2RbpJy64MNpQMkyizlohC Episode dialogue script]

[[Category:The Transformers episodes]]

Talk:Alchemist Prime

2025-06-12T18:04:01Z

Omegatron: /* Age of the Primes and merging with Maccadam for realsies */

==Maccadam confirmed member of Thirteen Primes/mustached bartender=Maccadam=Alchemist Prime==

So the recent conclusion to the Nexus Prime arc of FunPub comics confirms that the mustached bartender is Maccadam who himself is a member of the 13, likely Alchemist Prime as hinted by Vector Prime.

[[File:AnotherLight-Thirteen.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5]]

Sadly he's missing his bow tie. Probably time some articles were merged, specifically Alchemist Prime, Maccadam, and relevant parts of Maccadam's bartenders page.
--[[User:Iustitia|Iustitia]] ([[User talk:Iustitia|talk]]) 19:11, 16 January 2016 (EST)
:Move the bartender stuff to Alchemist (since, IIRC, it was never said that he ''wasn't'' Maccadam), leave Alchemist separate because for god's sake let a joke be a joke. You can link between pages and everything'll still be clear. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:41, 16 January 2016 (EST)
::As the guy who gave AVP the idea to make a joking hint that Alchemist Prime might be Maccadam - which I assume to be only happenstance in relation to the comic's inclusion of the bartender - I'm on the side of "let a joke be a joke." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 19:45, 16 January 2016 (EST)
:::That being said, it should still be mentioned on both pages. In the notes maybe? --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 20:56, 16 January 2016 (EST)
==Merge pages?==
Since CyberVerse Macadam is confirmed to be Alchemist Prime should we merge the pages or not? Unless they made some other variant of him separate that is? [[User:LordGalvatronYT|LordGalvatronYT]] ([[User talk:LordGalvatronYT|talk]]) 14:52, 4 February 2024 (EST)

==Age of the Primes and merging with Maccadam for realsies==
With the advent of Age of the Primes I think it is time to confront that the gag is no longer a gag to HasTak and seriously consider a combined page for [[Maccadam]] and Alchemist Prime, if only to avoid obfuscating their shared conceptual history. My thoughts:

:*The big elephant in the room of course is that in the time since this was last seriously considered a decade ago, a combined Maccadam/Alchemist was a main character in a [[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|mainline cartoon]] via the Cyberverse franchise.
:*Enter ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]]'' this year, which has delivered HasTak's best pass at a "definitive" Alchemist Prime [https://www.instagram.com/p/DIUy9rOsSPB/ explicity based on ''Cyberverse'' Maccadam and the Marvel bartender] with a [[Source:Transformers Age of the Primes bios#AOTP11|TakaraTomy bio]] composed entirely of a Maccadam namecheck.
:*Lastly, examining our current coverage, Maccadam has already ended up with a Thirteen-style continuity agnostic article and in fact [[Maccadam#Notes|already has the bones of a shared "Conceptual history" section with Alchemist Prime at the bottom of his page]].

As such, a prototype for a combined article (with a "Conceptual history" section laying all this out in more detail) can be seen:

:*[[User:AzimuthAcolyte/Sandbox/Maccadam|HERE]]

I have given Maccadam top billing with the thinking that he has about thirty years seniority on Alchemist Prime but I am not particularly married to that.

Questions, suggestions, concerns etc are welcome. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 19:29, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
: I wasn't keen on this originally, but seeing the proof of concept I'm on board with it. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 19:43, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
:Are there any continuities in which Maccadam isn't Alchemist Prime? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 20:31, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
::Marvel, as well as the incredibly minute (you can see their sections on [[Maccadam|his page]] for reference) mentions of him in IDW 2005, the Kre-O manga, and TransTech/Galva Convoy’s bio. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 20:45, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
:::Notably Alchemist does not exist in Marvel or Kre-O and the IDW and TransTech namedrops are not incompatible with Alchemist's appearances therein. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 20:51, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
::As I detail in the sandbox the lone ''overt discontinuity'' between the two I was able to find was a [[Transformers: Retribution|2014 Aligned novel]] (produced between Alchemist Prime's debut and the behind-the-scenes decision to merge them) in which Maccadam pops up after Alchemist leaves Cybertron. Your mileage may vary whether that can be handwaved with "he could have returned with a false mustache, you don't know" but sitting here in 2025 I did not find it load bearing enough to derail the project over. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 20:58, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
:::On the subject of "authority of sources" it is probably worth noting that the novel was [[Transformers: Retribution#Errors|lousy with continuity errors for other characters]] anyway now that I'm looking at it again. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 21:21, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
:::Technically, IDW 2005 would be another case of Maccadam being present after Alchemist Prime left Cybertron, and is equally handwavable with "he could have returned with a false mustache, you don't know." -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 21:27, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
::::True! --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 21:35, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
:I’m also on board with the idea. Hasbro clearly intends for them to be the same guy, after all. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 20:45, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
:I'm fine with it, though I think per the precedent of The Fallen, the page should live at Maccadam instead of Alchemist. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:42, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
::That sounds like a terrible idea and I hate that that's now being held up as some sort of precedent. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 22:16, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
:This is good work and I think the merge under the Maccadam name makes sense. - [[User:TitaniumToughGuy|TitaniumToughGuy]] ([[User talk:TitaniumToughGuy|talk]]) 23:08, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
:I'm all for the merge! I think the write-up for the updated intro and conceptual history is really well written. I also agree with keeping the page name at Maccadam, with Alchemist Prime as a redirect. Great work! --[[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 19:11, 6 June 2025 (EDT)
That is a pretty resounding quorum in favor after the better part of a week for comment so I am moving forward with the merge as proposed! --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 10:58, 10 June 2025 (EDT)
::I'd like to reiterate that while I have no real opinions on the merge, I do very much feel like it should be merged at Alchemist Prime and not Maccadam. Two out of three toys have been Alchemist Prime, in multiple continuities he's only ever been known as Alchemist Prime, and even when he's explicitly Maccadam, it's with a certain amount of "he's really Alchemist Prime, just under an assumed identity". -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:12, 10 June 2025 (EDT)
::(On a minor note, I'm also not really thrilled that this was done without even a formal vote or any real discussion beyond "five people said it sounded good on the day it was suggested.") -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 18:44, 10 June 2025 (EDT)
:::Okay, you need to dial back the unnecessary snippiness. The discussion was left open for nearly a week with a significant majority in favor, including members of staff, and the fact is the Maccadam name ''does'' have seniority. You don't have to like it, but to raise a stink after the merge has already happened and most of the links have already been updated is entirely counterproductive. I suggest you let this one go and move on. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:46, 10 June 2025 (EDT)
::::Apologies for the unnecessary snippiness, but besides me, only five people responded to this. And all within the first 24 hours. And then nothing at all for a week. This wiki's had bigger turnouts for less major changes, so at least to me that doesn't feel like either "a significant majority" or "a pretty resounding quorum." I'll let it go, because I'm apparently alone in this, but I'm still registering my opinion that this change felt both incredibly rushed and under-discussed. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 23:12, 10 June 2025 (EDT)
:::::I would have voted against this if I'd seen it, under the same logic as [[Greatshot]] or [[Victory Leo]], but I don't think it would have made a difference. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 14:04, 12 June 2025 (EDT)

Scourge (episode)

2025-05-13T21:43:48Z

Omegatron: Trimming less relevant notes

{{disambig3|Scourge}}
{{episode
|series=Cybertron
|ep=44
|series2=Galaxy Force
|ep2=45
|image=Cyb ep44 scourge.jpg
|caption=Must be [[Sweep (G1)|Sweep]]s week.
|title="Scourge"
|japanese=大きな星の小さな町
|romaji=Ōki na Hoshi no Chiisa na Machi
|translation=The Large Planet's Little City
|production code=
|production company=[[TV Aichi]], [[We've]], [[Tōkyū Agency]]
|writer=[[Kenji Sugihara]]
|director=[[Matsuo Asami]]
|animation studio=[[GONZO]], Azeta Pictures
|airdate=[[November 12]], [[2005]] (Japanese) [[September 20]], [[2006]] (English)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy cartoon timeline|Unicron Trilogy cartoon continuity]]
}}
'''Scourge comes to some tough decisions about himself, with the help of some little friends.'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Cyb ep44 secret passage.jpg|left|thumb|220px|"No, Mr. Hansen, I expect you to die."]]
As [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]] descends further into [[Gigantion]]'s depths, he reflects on his past fight with [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]]. Recalling Leobreaker's claim that strength is more than just physical, Scourge grows furious, unable to comprehend his meaning, and on a deeper level, fearing that his power may not be enough to save [[Jungle Planet (colony)|Jungle Planet]].

On [[Gigantion]], [[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] and [[Coby Hansen|Coby]] have found Leobreaker and [[Snarl (Cybertron)|Snarl]], left where Scourge beat them, unconscious but not too seriously injured. Coby calls the lead [[Autobot]] group on [[Lori Jiménez|Lori's]] communicator and informs them of the situation, prompting Lori to talk smack about Scourge. [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] reins her in as they prepare to open the doorway to the planet's next level. Optimus isn't the only one keeping the troops in line—Bud has been organizing the [[Mini-Con]]s into a mini-army, a feat that impresses [[Metroplex (Cybertron)|Metroplex]], and they all march through the door ahead of the other Autobots. They find reliefs of several small robots on the walls and recognize them as more Mini-Cons, leaning against the wall to compare the carvings to their height. Unfortunately, when Lori joins them and leans against the wall, too, she accidentally triggers a switch that opens up a secret passage, sending Bud and the four Mini-Cons tumbling downward.

Elsewhere, the [[Cybertron Defense Team (Cybertron)|Cybertron Defense Team]] races along a highway to regroup with the other Autobots. When they encounter [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] and [[Menasor (Cybertron)|Menasor]] along the way, they challenge the Decepticon leader to a battle for payback for their defeat in their last meeting, but Menasor jumps in the way first.

[[File:Cyb ep44 museum fun.jpg|thumb|220px]]
Back with Prime's group, Metroplex realizes that the legends of the secret Mini-Con passages must be true. Lori insists on going down the tunnel, blaming herself for the accident. Optimus claims he's just as responsible for letting Bud and the others enter the tunnel first and convinces her that they're better off finding them by sticking together. The Autobots wonder where the passage leads, and Metroplex recounts the legend of a city built especially for Mini-Cons...which is, indeed, exactly where Bud and the Mini-Cons have found themselves! [[Six-Speed (Cybertron)|Six-Speed]] leads them to a museum nearby; once inside, [[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]] discovers some historical data. It explains that, after the war with [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]], Gigantion's citizens were too big, so the Mini-Cons did all the "detail work" and computer repair, which made them mentally similar to humans. (Uh, yeah. Just go with us on this, okay?) However, Bud instantly forgets everything, but Jolt shrugs it off.

Meanwhile, the Cybertron Defense Team triple-teams Menasor, who's handling their assault pretty well; however, the three attack simultaneously in a [[triangle formation]] with their [[Cyber Planet Key|Cyber-Key-enhanced]] attacks, which fells the giant. Galvatron is unimpressed and enters battle with the trio, but they manage to hold their own and raise their standing in the Decepticon leader's eyes, even if he does still just shrug off their attacks.

[[File:Cyb ep44 raise your hand.jpg|left|thumb|220px|"I should be leading, not being taught how to lead!"]]
Bud's group has found a playground in the Mini-Con city, and Jolt remarks there's even a tale of an amusement park. The quintet leaves to find it but discovers a rubble-strewn wasteland with fresh claw marks instead. Jolt and the Mini-Cons promptly panic, so to make them calm down, Bud fakes a stomachache, causing them all to rush to his aid. They leave to return to the museum for safety but bump into Scourge, the one responsible for the damage they found. Lori told Bud not to fear Scourge, so he's able to have a moderately pleasant conversation with the dragon-bot, who reveals he was impressed by Bud's handling of the Mini-Cons' panic. Bud decides he can teach Scourge to be a leader who doesn't have to bust heads to make a point and gets a blackboard and some chalk from... somewhere... to hold a class on the subject. Bud confounds Scourge with some hypothetical situations, telling Scourge that his solutions involving the stronger taking the spoils and the weaker getting the short end of the stick are wrong. Scourge objects to Bud's solutions that involve just "making stuff up," which Bud explains is the entire point: to be a good leader, you have to be a creative thinker, and who said ''he'' couldn't make stuff up? Scourge starts laughing, having it explained to him so plainly and innocently; he realizes he's been locked in his "might makes right" mentality for so long that it ''weakened'' him.

[[File:Cyb ep44 scourge defeated.jpg|thumb|220px|"So much for my Strength."]]
The Autobots arrive on the scene, and Scourge challenges them to a duel, much to Bud's confusion, but Lori says it's okay since it's something Scourge needs to do. During a dramatic sunset in an open field, Metroplex goes first, soundly thrashing Scourge without the dragon landing a single blow. But Scourge challenges the next Autobot to step forward, Vector Prime, and gets beaten again. Even then, Scourge challenges another. [[Override (Cybertron)|Override]] steps up, but Optimus says he'll go next instead and instructs [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] to combine with him. Wing Saber is confused, but Scourge laughs and insists. The two leaders charge at one another, landing simultaneous blows while passing. As they pause back to back, a small wound opens on Prime's shoulder; Scourge laughs, but then, as the sun sets, he topples over backward, completely immobilized, and admits defeat. The Autobots drive away, with Bud wishing that Scourge could have joined the Autobots. "Maybe someday," Lori tells him... and Scourge... still lying on the ground, staring up the stars, laughs to himself softly.

Elsewhere, Galvatron carries Menasor away from the city in flames, leaving the Cybertron Defense Team to pick themselves up, though he admits they put up a good fight.
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==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]] (2)
* [[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] (4)
* [[Snarl (Cybertron)|Snarl]] (5)
* [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] (7)
* [[Override (Cybertron)|Override]] (8)
* [[Metroplex (Cybertron)|Metroplex]] (9)
* [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (10)
* [[Six-Speed (Cybertron)|Six-Speed]] (11)
* [[Reverb (Cybertron)|Reverb]] (12)
* [[Drill Bit (Cybertron)|Drill Bit]] (13)
* [[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]] (14)
* [[Vector Prime]] (15)
* [[Hot Shot (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Hot Shot]] (16)
* [[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]] (17)
* [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] (18)
* [[Safeguard (Cybertron)|Safeguard]] (21)

|c2=
* [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]] (1)
* [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] (19)
* [[Menasor (Cybertron)|Menasor]] (20)

|c3=
*[[Lori Jiménez|Lori]] (3)
*[[Coby Hansen]] (6)
*[[Bud Hansen]] (12)
}}

==Quotes==
"Strength is what leads the masses, commands their respect! ''My'' strength united an entire world! Now it seems it's not enough?! '''''Impossible!!''''' Strength will save my world! Strength ''must'' be enough! It ''must'' be! '''''It's all I have!!!'''''"
:—'''Scourge'''

"They said that Scourge was still around here somewhere, so be careful." 
"Pfft, ''right''. ''He'' should look out for ''me''!" 
"Huh? Oh, man! Lori just totally dissed a fire-breathing dragon! ... That's actually pretty awesome!"
:—'''Coby''' and '''Lori'''

"I'm fixin' to use your head as a hood ornament!" 
"Whoah, now ''that's'' some trash-talking!" 
"Straight up!"
:—'''Scattorshot''' and '''Hot Shot'''

"Being lost is what I do best!"
:—'''Bud'''

"And just what's ''that'' supposed to—UUUAGH!!!" 
[''explosion clears''] 
"Aye, that'll do ye." (faints)
:—'''Menasor'''

"I wish I could use such guile. You brought order out of chaos... and you didn't even have to beat up anyone!"
:—'''Scourge'''

"But if ''you've'' been reborn, and ''I've'' been reborn, then that places us back where we started, doesn't it?"
:—'''Galvatron'''

"This is a duel of honor. Just like in the movies. I think you should be able to understand ''that''."
:—'''Lori'''

==Notes==
===Differences with ''Galaxy Force''===
*''Galaxy Force'' includes a "previously on" segment that summarizes the events of "[[Challenge]]".
*Scourge's flashback to Leobreaker is silent. In ''Cybertron'', Scourge claims Leobreaker doesn't know anything about leadership since Scourge's strength is what commands respect and united his planet. Then he rages about how his power isn't enough anymore. In ''Galaxy Force'', he asks what Leobreaker meant when he said, "You can't fight just by hitting each other", and says Animatros will be saved once he gains remarkable power and "sees it through" as a leader. Scourge's subsequent outburst is over confusion about his newfound feelings of doubt.
*''Cybertron'' adds Lori's line about Scourge defeating Snarl and Leobreaker and ditching them. In ''Galaxy Force'', her first line is her second one in ''Cybertron'', asking Coby about Leobreaker and Snarl. Lori doesn't know Scourge was responsible until Coby tells her moments later. Coby says they're "sleeping it off" in ''Cybertron'' but that they have more minor wounds than he thought in ''Galaxy Force''. In the Japanese dub, Coby remarks how "reassuring and scary" it is that Lori has grown stronger after referring to Scourge as "that guy".
*After talking with Coby, Lori sounds more frustrated about Scourge in ''Galaxy Force'' than in ''Cybertron''. Lori says she'll need to brace herself after Optimus says they have to go down another two or three levels. After learning about Bud organizing the Mini-Cons, Lori remarks on the Mini-Cons' cheerfulness. Then he addresses Bud in ''Cybertron'' but only comments on the Mini-Cons being in a good mood in ''Galaxy Force''.
*When Lori asks if the Mini-Cons are doing camouflage training in ''Cybertron'', she only asks what they're doing in ''Galaxy Force''. It goes silent in the Japanese version until the shot pans to Bud. The ''Cybertron'' versions of their following lines are basically "flavor dialogue" that makes less sense than those in ''Galaxy Force''. Bud says he's sure the engravings are Mini-Cons and that they're slightly taller than him. Then Lori says there's no need for the guys to group since that's already easy to see. It's silent when the shot cuts to Lori pushing the hidden switch, so the action is more of a surprise.
*Scattershot says the city that he, Hot Shot, and Red Alert are in doesn't have a route to the planet's lowest level. Then Hot Shot says they should hurry and pass the city, and Red Alert agrees. The idea of them racing each other is ''Cybertron''-exclusive. The music in the scene also doesn't play until two seconds into it. Red Alert doesn't point out Galvatron, and Hot Shot quips that the "guys who are doomed" are here. Galvatron asks, "Who do you think I am?" before saying that he has already settled things with them.
*Instead of assuring Lori that Bud and the Mini-Cons are alright, Vector Prime deduces that the passage is a mode of transport based on the slant. ''Cybertron'' adds Metroplex saying that he's never seen a Mini-Con passage before. When Optimus tells Lori that what happened was an accident in ''Cybertron'', he says he's responsible for letting Bud and the Mini-Cons enter first in ''Galaxy Force''. After Lori objects, Optimus says that being the team's leader makes him liable and that he'll find Bud, asking Lori to believe in him.
*After Wing Saber speaks, Metroplex finishes his line before the scene fades to Bud in the Mini-Con city. Jolt explains to Bud that he has data that their Mini-Con ancestors built the city but had never seen before.
*Rather than fretting about Bud as she does in ''Cybertron'', Lori assures him that she'll be there soon and urges him to hang in there although he's scared.
*In ''Galaxy Force'', Jolt doesn't mention the war with Planet X when explaining the Mini-Cons' origin; instead, he notes that Mini-Cons were created when the Gigantion Transformers found they couldn't get any bigger, so some started shrinking.
*Galvatron claims to take no satisfaction from defeating "small fish", so Scattershot and Hot Shot tell him to keep underestimating them as they'll make him eat his words. ''Cybertron'' changes their dialogue to Galvatron reminding the team that he's already beaten them before; they say they keep returning stronger each time he knocks them down, and Galvatron declares he will finish the job.
*Jolt claims to be a little interested in the amusement park before Bud makes him admit that he's curious. In ''Cybertron'', Jolt says it's only for the sake of gathering data.
*Bud makes it clear that his stomach "hurts" when he fakes it in ''Cybertron'', but he doesn't say in ''Galaxy Force'', and Jolt asks if it's his stomach aching. After calming the Mini-Cons, Bud expresses relief that they've stopped running in circles in ''Cybertron'' but says they should "quietly flee" from the place in ''Galaxy Force''. Then he says they should run instead of returning to the museum. Unlike ''Cybertron'', Jolt reacts to Bud's sudden stop and doesn't say anything after bumping into Scourge. He also only shouts Scourge's name as the Mini-Cons panic again. A sinister music sting plays after Jolt screams in ''Cybertron''.
*Bud assures the Mini-Cons that Scourge isn't a villain, and Scourge asks how he knows that. Bud says Lori said that Scourge has "his own situation", and Scourge states that Lori understands, but he wants to discuss something else; Bud asks what, but Scourge muses about his recently lousy temperament so Bud frustratingly asks him again. Then Scourge says Bud showed him "a splendid insight" and implores Bud to tell him what he thinks leadership is. When Bud later begins his leadership class and prepares to take roll, Scourge is confused by what that means, and Bud tells him to be quiet.
*In ''Cybertron'', Bud tells Scourge he answered the first riddle incorrectly, and Scourge doesn't see how that's possible. In ''Galaxy Force'', Bud says Scourge has "no sense of romance," and Scourge asks what romance has to do with what they're discussing.
*In ''Cybertron'', Bud mentions that [[Robert Hansen|his dad]] always told him that great leaders think outside the box. ''Galaxy Force'' is a bit more specific: his dad told him the riddles he puzzles Scourge with, saying that Bud will be a great leader if he could solve them. The Japanese dub changes the parts in ''Cybertron'' where Bud and Scourge mention "making stuff up" to "cheating" in the Japanese dub.
*Scourge's epiphany in ''Galaxy Force'' is that he's been too self-obsessed, while he realizes that he made himself weak by only relying on brute strength in ''Cybertron''. His subsequent laughter in the Japanese dub is from Bud's confusion for not understanding.
*After Scourge challenges the Autobots, Lori tells Bud it's something Scourge needs to do in ''Cybertron'', but says it's Scourge's way of thinking in ''Galaxy Force''.
*In ''Galaxy Force'', Vector Prime asks Optimus what they should do; Optimus asks Scourge if fighting him is required, to which Scourge claims the Autobots won't progress unless they defeat him. In ''Cybertron'', Vector Prime notices a change in Scourge; Optimus asks Scourge if it's what he wants, and Scourge claims it's the only way to settle the score. The Japanese dub plays no music during the scene.
*Despite the similar theme, Lori sums up Scourge's wish to fight the Autobots in a duel-like format differently: In ''Cybertron'', she tells Bud it is a duel of honor "like in the movies", whereas, in ''Galaxy Force'', she makes the more astute observation that this is Scourge's way of learning right from wrong. Because Scourge is essentially throwing the fight, he is meshing his beliefs that the winner is "right" with his recent epiphany that there is a better way to be a good leader (i.e., the Autobot way). He also maintains his sense of honor by doing this. Optimus clearly understands and respects it by entering Sonic Wing Mode, explaining why Scourge laughs to himself despite losing at the end: it all makes sense within his mental framework now; clever dragon.
*In ''Cybertron'', the music changes as Scourge and Optimus charge at each other. However, it doesn't change in ''Galaxy Force'', so the track "[[Transformers Galaxy Force: Sound Pack 1|Bitter Hostilities]]" keeps playing, fitting the duel's climactic nature more appropriately.
*After Scourge collapses, Bud only says his name rather than wishing he finds peace. Then Scourge tells Optimus that he can continue his mission, and Prime states he will.
*Lori later tells Bud they had no choice but to leave Scourge since he said he couldn't go with them and that Scourge will be fine now as he won't return to the Decepticons. ''Galaxy Force'' also plays the track "[[Transformers Galaxy Force: Sound Pack 2|Believing Heart]]" during the scene. ''Cybertron'' adds Bud's dialogue.
*Instead of subtly complementing the Cybertron Defense Team for giving him a challenge, Galvatron quips that they got ahead of themselves as "small fish reborn are still small fish."

===Animation and technical errors===
*Jolt's mouth doesn't move when he speaks several times: when he formally addresses Lori, when Jolt tells Bud they should find another entrance, and when he bumps into Scourge's leg. This issue isn't present in ''Galaxy Force'' since Jolt doesn't talk at these points.
*When he dares to question Galvatron's superiority, Scattershot's mouth still moves after finishing his line; it's because his line is longer in ''Galaxy Force''.
*When Scourge has his epiphany, he seems to be talking out the corner of his mouth.
*Hot Shot's mouth doesn't move when he says Galvatron's name in the final scene. He is silent in the Japanese version.

===Continuity notes===
*Bud can seemingly understand Mini-Cons who speak in binary tones perfectly; past episodes gave some indication that all three kids can vaguely understand them on an emotional level (when they're happy, scared, etc.). However, this episode is the first instance where complex communication is seemingly understood in a direct conversation (here, it's between Bud and his "Mini-Con Team").
*This episode has the second switch Lori accidentally activates on Gigantion, having done so once before in "[[Ambush (episode)|Ambush]]". She's got some luck.
*Jolt refers to the time Red Alert scanned his mind, back in "[[Balance]]".
*Jolt recalls seeing an amusement park in the Hansens' home movies, way back in "[[Collapse]]".
*Galvatron and the Cybertron Defense Team refer to their previous battles in "[[Revelation (episode)|Revelation]]" and "[[Fury (Cybertron)|Fury]]".

===Continuity errors===
[[File:Mini-Reliefs.jpg|thumb|Later on, they punched holes in the heads for you to put your face through.]]
*How can High Wire's relief in the corridor appear behind Lori and Bud in the same scene? It's almost like it was copied and pasted.
*Bud says the others can't follow them through the tunnel, needless to say, unless they're human-sized. In ''Galaxy Force'' Bud claims that his group can't go back up the passage.
*After this, Jolt tells Bud that their group should try looking for another entrance, and they seemingly forget about Six-Speed mentioning the museum, which doesn't make sense since that's where they appear next. This error isn't in ''Galaxy Force'' since Bud says he and the Mini-Cons should investigate the museum.
*We get an explanation for the whole "Mini-Con brains work like human brains" thing, but it... doesn't work very well. Essentially, we're asked to believe the far-fetched idea that ordinary Transformers are unimaginative beings with no concept of detailed design or function. But humans do, and the Mini-Cons' years of working on the details for the Gigantion Transformers' constructions gave them that ability, thereby making their brains like humans'. It seems this was foreshadowed as far back as "[[Haven]]" when the Autobots built their base on Earth. Scattorshot could only make a basic design with an inefficient layout; however, Lori put her human sense of imagination, detail, and function to work and created the finalized, highly-efficient design. But that doesn't change the fact that it's hard to believe that Transformers wouldn't be able to construct sufficient buildings or other structures without human or Mini-Con help. After all, how would anything have ever been built on any other planets?
*In ''Galaxy Force'', Jolt's explanation for the Mini-Cons' origin doesn't include the "detail work" angle; yet, the ''Galaxy Force'' version of "[[Giant]]" previously mentioned it, with the vaguer claim that Mini-Cons are like humans simply because they're "born small"!
*Not so much an error, but... where did the blackboard come from?
*When they find Bud and the Mini-Cons with Scourge, many characters' positions change between shots:
**When Wing Saber and Lori appear, they land to the left of the group, but they're now in front of Scourge and the Mini-Cons when the other Autobots arrive.
**In the shot of Lori and Bud shouting at each other, Scourge and the Mini-Cons suddenly face Lori straight on.
**When Optimus, Vector Prime, Override, and Metroplex arrive and transform, Bud is in the background behind them. However, Optimus looks ahead when he speaks to Bud like the boy is ahead of him, while Bud looks to his left when he talks to Optimus.

===Transformers references===
*Several ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' Mini-Con character models appear in this episode: [[Nightbeat (Armada)|Nightbeat]], [[Drill Bit (Armada)|Drill Bit (no relation)]], [[High Wire (Armada)|High Wire]], [[Blackout (Armada)|Blackout]], and [[Runway (Armada)|Runway]]'s models show up as reliefs on the hallway walls, while Runway is also seen in statue form inside the museum (pictured above).
*When asking Metroplex about the Mini-Con passage, Wing Saber says, "Micron guy passage." Micron is the Japanese term for Mini-Cons.

===Real-world references===
*Metroplex refers to the Mini-Cons as "Wee Folk," an antiquated Celtic term for fairies.

===Trivia===
[[File:Megs carries Menasor 2.jpg|thumb]]
*According to Bud in ''Galaxy Force'', his flexibility is his weapon.
*This episode is the first time in the series that Megatron/Galvatron seems to care enough about one of his fallen troops (Menasor) to carry him from the battlefield.
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==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2006 — ''Transformers: Galaxy Force'' — Vol. 12 ([[Victor Entertainment]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2008 — ''Transformers: Cybertron'' — The Ultimate Collection ([[Paramount Pictures|Paramount]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''Transformers: Cybertron'' — The Complete Series ([[Shout! Factory]])

[[Category:Cybertron episodes]]

Ambush (episode)

2025-05-13T21:31:58Z

Omegatron: Trimming less relevant notes

{{disambig2|the ''Cybertron'' episode|the G.I. Joe-aligned human|Ambush (G.I. Joe)}}
{{episode
|series=Cybertron
|ep=42
|series2=Galaxy Force
|ep2=43
|image=Cyb ep42 cowardly Scourge.jpg
|caption=SAY MY NAME.
|title="Ambush"
|japanese=対決! ローリ VS クロミア
|romaji=Taiketsu! Lori tai Chromia
|translation=Showdown! Lori VS Chromia
|production code=
|production company=[[TV Aichi]], [[We've]], [[Tōkyū Agency]]
|writer=[[Gyō Yamatoya]]
|director=[[Atsushi Nakayama]]
|animation studio=[[GONZO]], Radix
|airdate=[[October 29]], [[2005]] (Japanese) [[September 18]], [[2006]] (English)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy cartoon timeline|Unicron Trilogy cartoon continuity]]
}}
'''The Autobots split up to search the lower levels of Gigantion for its Cyber Planet Key, while the Decepticons do the same. Lori and Thunderblast get acquainted.'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Cyb ep42 feeling run down.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.2|Once again, I'm humiliated by the universe.]]
Deep in the lower levels of [[Gigantion]], the four [[Autobot]] teams are making fast progress in their search for the [[Cyber Planet Key]]. [[Snarl (Cybertron)|Snarl]], [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]] and [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] have enjoyed an uneventful journey and soon discover a large chasm that they decide to leap into to continue their mission. Elsewhere, [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]'s team (the [[Recon Mini-Con Team]], [[Vector Prime]] and [[Metroplex (Cybertron)|Metroplex]]) are having only a ''slightly'' more eventful time of it, as they find their way barred by [[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]] and [[Crumplezone (Cybertron)|Crumplezone]]...only to run straight over them. The two [[Decepticon]]s bemoan their fate, then encourage themselves to try even harder despite all their past failures... then deflate again as reality sets in. Poor dumb schmucks.

Elsewhere again, the team of [[Override (Cybertron)|Override]], [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] and [[Lori Jiménez|Lori]] take an elevator to a lower level. Override advises caution entering the new area when they reach the bottom, and Wing Saber glibly notes the perfect getting-ambushed opportunities there. [[Thunderblast (Decepticon)|Thunderblast]] takes this as her cue to enter, backed up by [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]]. Lori, however, immediately begins verbally browbeating Scourge for his cowardly tactics and enduring association with the Decepticons, and Scourge flinches. A lot. Thunderblast eventually gets sick of it and insults the both of them, calling Lori a "mouse." Lori, her temper already frayed, challenges Thunderblast to a fight, and the [[Autobot]]s take fighting positions.

[[File:Cyb ep42 wild take.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2]]
Back with Jetfire's team, the trio finally lands at the bottom of the pit, where they're attacked by [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]]. Jetfire tackles the Decepticon himself, ordering the other two to go ahead without him. They hesitate for a moment but then move to depart, realizing that, after all, "it's only Thundercracker." Furious at this disrespect, Thundercracker throws Jetfire aside and draws a bead on the retreating Autobots. Jetfire recovers quickly and opens fire on the Decepticon, allowing his comrades to escape. Grinning wickedly, Thundercracker announces that it's time to reveal his new "forbidden attack," much to Jetfire's befuddlement.

Battling is the order of the day on all three fronts, as Optimus Prime blasts the interfering Ransack and Crumplezone far off into the distance once again.

[[File:Tcracker-SELTCP.jpg|left|upright=1.2|thumb|Dragon Ball T]]
Thunderblast distracts Lori with a rather puerile ruse and beats cheeks out of there. [[:File:LoriPissed.jpg|Lori's last nerve snaps]], so she glowers at Wing Saber until he submits to bring her along and chase down Thunderblast. The pair fly off on Thunderblast's tail, leaving (a somewhat relieved) Scourge to battle Override, though Wing Saber soon realizes that she's undoubtedly leading them into a trap. Lori is adamant, though, and they soon discover where Thunderblast is leading them: a harbor area with a ''lot'' of open water.

Elsewhere, Thundercracker is charging up his "[[Super Electric Lightning Thundercrackin' Punch]]" with much pomp and grandeur. Jetfire is incredulous when the Decepticon finishes crying the attack's name, and he finds out it's only a punch, but to Thundercracker's credit, his fist connects and knocks Jetfire for six. Jetfire is actually impressed, complimenting Thundercracker on finally landing a legitimately good attack, and Thundercracker grins happily.

[[File:Thundercranes.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb|Wow, they weren't even using the right bait for floozies.]]
While Scourge and Override's battle continues, with plenty of trash talk, Thunderblast launches her attack, shooting missiles at Wing Saber from underwater. Wing Saber has a rare moment of clarity and suggests a retreat, knowing he can't tackle Thunderblast like this, but Lori insists they have to outsmart her. Wing Saber drops Lori off on dry land, and she enters a control console for a ring of eight cranes in the middle of the harbor water. Wing Saber allows himself to get "shot down" and dives underwater in [[robot mode]]. Thunderblast follows and corners him and then realizes that Wing Saber just led her into a trap. Lori hits a button on the control panel so hard that it cracks, drops the crane-claws all around Thunderblast, surrounding her, and then a final one right on her head. Thunderblast demands to be released, and Wing Saber obliges, courtesy of pretty much every missile he's packing. The explosion sends Thunderblast flying away uncontrollably, wailing in defiance.

[[File:MasswaysMasses.jpg|left|upright=1.2|thumb|Buy us at only $60 a pop!]]
Elsewhere, Jetfire and Thundercracker have beaten each other silly, and both collapse, exhausted. The back-up team of [[Coby Hansen|Coby]], [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]], [[Quickmix (Cybertron)|Quickmix]] and [[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] arrive. Coby tends to Jetfire while Quickmix keeps the gibbering Thundercracker quiet by dumping a lot of quick-drying concrete on top of him.

Scourge and Override's fight blasts a hole in the floor of a level above them, and their fight moves into this new room. Scourge hurls his axe, which misses and slams into the wall, right above the doorway through which Lori then appears running. Wing Saber dives in and saves Lori before the falling debris crushes her, and Scourge uses the opportunity to run for an elevator. Lori, quickly over her near-death experience, berates Scourge again, who sheepishly says he's not ''running away'' so much as making a ''strategic withdrawal''. The doors close and Override and Lori both express their frustration by hitting the wall. However, Lori discovers she has inadvertently kicked a hidden button in the wall, which causes the room's lights to turn off, and a large device to rise out of the middle of the floor. As the device powers up, the trio realizes they are looking at a planetarium-like hologram device, which begins to project images of Gigantion in ancient times. The video images show a [[Planet X (Cybertron)|giant dark sphere]] appearing above the planet, and hundreds of robots emerging from it and filling Gigantion's skies... robots of the same design as [[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]]...
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==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Snarl (Cybertron)|Snarl]] (1)
* [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]] (2)
* [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] (3)
* [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (4)
* [[Six-Speed (Cybertron)|Six-Speed]] (5)
* [[Reverb (Cybertron)|Reverb]] (6)
* [[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]] (7)
* [[Vector Prime]] (8)
* [[Metroplex (Cybertron)|Metroplex]] (9)
* [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] (12)
* [[Override (Cybertron)|Override]] (13)
* [[Quickmix (Cybertron)|Quickmix]] (20)
* [[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] (21)
* [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] (22)

|c2=
* [[Crumplezone (Cybertron)|Crumplezone]] (10)
* [[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]] (11)
* [[Thunderblast (Decepticon)|Thunderblast]] (15)
* [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]] (16)
* [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]] (17)

|c3=
* [[Lori Jiménez|Lori]] (14)
* [[Bud Hansen]] (18)
* [[Coby Hansen]] (19)

|c4=
* [[Noisemaze Mass Production Type Version|Noisemazes Mass Production Type Version]] (23)
* [[Laserbeak drone (Cybertron)|Laserbeak drone]]s (24)
}}

==Quotes==
"Ah...I'm feelin' a bit rundown." 
"Don't make me laugh! It hurts!"
:—'''Crumplezone''' and '''Ransack''' after being run over by Metroplex.

"When he sees our real strength and ''feels'' our vengeance, he'll regret beating us over and over and over..."
:—'''Crumplezone'''

"What could be dangerous? It's dark with only one exit! Looks like a ''great'' place to get ambushed!"
:—'''Wing Saber'''

"What in the world are you ''thinking''?! Back on [[Jungle Planet (colony)|Jungle Planet]], you were all about honor and rule of law, but ''now'' look at you! Skulking around in the shadows with a Decepticon floozy—" 
"HEY!" 
"—plotting ambushes and, and sneak attacks?! What's the ''matter'' with you?! Have you completely lost your honor or ''what''?!"
:—'''Lori''' browbeats Scourge (with objection by '''Thunderblast''')

"Little sister, you better check yo'self!"
:—'''Thunderblast''' to Lori

"We are chasing her, Wing Saber!" 
"Huh?! You're not serious." 
"I am serious." 
"Uh, but...but Lori...." 
"We're. Chas. Ing. Her." 
"Yes...ma'am...." 
:—'''Lori''' has '''Wing Saber''' totally whipped.

"Here I go! [[Super Electric Lightning Thundercrackin' Punch|SUPER 'LECTRIC LIGHTNIN' THUNDERCRACKER PUNCH]]!" 
"All that for a punch?"
:—'''Jetfire''' doesn't see the reason behind '''Thundercracker's''' build up.

[[File:JetCracker-punch.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2]]
"Man... I'm impressed! Good punch, mate! Fair dinkum! 'Bout time you brought some muscle to the tussle!"
:—'''Jetfire''' revises his opinion of the above punch.

"Don't worry about a thing. I aced a B+ in computers class." 
"Why not an A?" 
"Well...." 
"Just don't tell me you crashed the computer."
:—'''Lori''' and '''Wing Saber'''

"Bring me a 'get well' card..."
:—'''Thundercracker'''

"And no more squeaking from the mouse!"
:-Oh no '''Thunderblast''' didn't!

==Notes==
===Differences with ''Galaxy Force''===
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*''Galaxy Force'' includes a "previously on" segment summarizing the events of "[[City]]."
*Immediately after the "previously" segment, before the title card appears, ''Galaxy Force'' also includes a brief original scene of Override, Wing Saber, and Lori making their way down a corridor, talking about being first to their objective. Removing the "previously" segment, ''Cybertron'' also removes this short scene (perhaps unintentionally?).
*Since the English dub lacks ''Galaxy Force''{{'}}s opening scene, Snarl and Leobreaker speak the first lines in ''Cybertron''. In the ''Galaxy Force'' version of the latter scene, Snarl and Leobreaker are silent.
*In ''Galaxy Force'', Jetfire, Snarl, and Leobreaker remark on the hole's size wondering if they should ignore it and keep going. Then Jetfire suggests using the hole to reach Gigantion's lowest level faster, and they're silent when entering it. ''Cybertron'' turns their lines into "flavor dialogue."
*In ''Galaxy Force'', Override doesn't tell Lori to wait, so Lori later asks why they stopped, and Thunderblast finishes Wing Saber's sentence about the area being a perfect place to spring a trap.
*The scene of Lori blowing up at Scourge differs slightly between the two versions:
**Rather than accusing Scourge of losing his honor (as quoted above), Lori says Scourge has returned to square one. She believes he is mocking her by ignoring her "tearful persuasion" and joining the 'Cons and questions if he has any brains. Lori doesn't mention Thunderblast in ''Galaxy Force'' so the Decepticon is silent throughout the scene. Scourge claims mocking Lori wasn't his intention in ''Galaxy Force'', so Lori accuses Scourge of being an idiot and bets he is entirely thoughtless. Scourge says the Decepticons made him an offer in ''Cybertron'', so Lori scolds him for being a "cheap hood" that the Decepticons bought off.
**In ''Galaxy Force'', Scourge thinks Lori has said too much, so Lori starts criticizing his physical appearance. In ''Cybertron'', after Scourge says the situation isn't what Lori thinks, she rips him a new one by bringing up Jungle Planet and Scourge's responsibilities as its leader.
**Wing Saber asks what Lori's tirade is about, so Override explains that Lori and Scourge have history, but she didn't know that Lori was still mad.
**In ''Galaxy Force'', Lori calls Scourge not only high and mighty but corrupt too. Scourge says a man must know his path, so Lori snaps at Scourge again, now thinking he is mocking her gender. In ''Cybertron'', she calls him a sell-out, so Scourge tries to justify his actions resulting from Optimus defeating him, but Lori orders him to move aside.
*In ''Galaxy Force'', Thunderblast asks what happened and tells Scourge and Lori not to talk while ignoring her. Then she calls Lori arrogant and orders Scourge not to let Lori beat him. Instead of calling Lori a mouse, Thunderblast calls her "runt girl." Then Thunderblast says she's not moving and challenges Lori to defeat her if she wants to proceed, though a runt beating her would be impossible. In ''Cybertron'', Thunderblast treats the idea of challenging Lori like a joke, so she doesn't take Lori accepting the challenge seriously. In ''Galaxy Force'', Thunderblast dares Lori to show what she's got, Lori says she's going to kick her ass, and Thunderblast says that's her line.
*Then Wing Saber and Override sound like they are preparing to fight in ''Cybertron''. However, in ''Galaxy Force'', they both say that Lori is scary. ''Cybertron'' also gives Lori an extra line during the standoff shot as it's silent before Wing Saber and Override speak in ''Galaxy Force''.
*Before Jetfire, Leobreaker, and Snarl land, ''Cybertron'' adds Jetfire's line to remove the silence. In ''Galaxy Force'', it's silent until Thundercracker speaks during his close-up. Thundercracker's reason for trying to shoot Snarl and Leobreaker differs between the dubs: it's for them disrespecting him in ''Cybertron'' but them trying to escape in ''Galaxy Force''. He warns Jetfire not to underestimate him before announcing his forbidden ultimate hissatsu attack. '''Hissatsu''' (ひっさつ ''Hissatsu'') refers to a move believed to kill an opponent in one blow.
*In ''Cybertron'', Thunderblast's puerile ruse is her claiming Lori had something on her shoe, causing Lori to check if she stepped in something. In ''Galaxy Force'', Thunderblast instead tells Lori there's money on the ground, drawing her attention.
*In ''Cybertron'', Thunderblast blows a raspberry and runs off. In ''Galaxy Force'', Thunderblast, while doing that, says, "Akanbe!" before running off. In Japan, '''Akanbe'''(あかんべえ ''Akanbē'') is a mocking facial gesture expressed by pulling one's eyelids down and sticking out their tongue.
*In ''Galaxy Force'', Wing Saber doesn't say anything after the second Lori death glare, and he sounds more resigned to Lori's demands before they pursue Thunderblast.
*While following Thunderblast, Lori doesn't speak until the shot of her and Wing Saber trailing behind the Decepticon, and rather than telling Wing Saber not to let her escape, Lori tells Thunderblast that she's not getting away.
*In ''Cybertron'', Lori aims to show Thunderblast that she's a member of the Autobots and isn't playing games. In ''Galaxy Force'', she's more intense as she wants to tear Thunderblast apart and smash the Decepticon to bits.
*Instead of Wing Saber and Lori paraphrasing an old saying about horses (seen below), Lori answers Wing Saber's question if they're now out at sea.
*Only Lori's scream is heard after Thunderblast's shot hits Wing Saber in ''Galaxy Force''. The point where Lori says Thunderblast went underwater in ''Cybertron'', the music stops in ''Galaxy Force''. Later, instead of worrying about what Optimus would think if he knew about bringing Lori into a battle, Wing Saber tells Lori he can't do anything since Thunderblast is underwater. Then Lori asks about the circle of cranes, Wing Saber tells her it looks like a dock, and Lori gets an idea.
*The trash talk between Scourge and Override is ''Cybertron''-exclusive as they're silent in ''Galaxy Force'' apart from Override summoning her Cyber Key Power.
*Before Lori reaches the control panel, Wing Saber desperately tells her that he won't last much longer. Rather than discussing Lori's computer class grade like in ''Cybertron'', she thanks Wing Saber for enduring, and he asks for her status. Lori is silent when the monitor comes up. After telling Wing Saber that she's ready, Lori tells him to do as they planned, with Wing Saber putting complete trust in his human partner.
*''Cybertron'' makes Wing Saber and Thunderblast's dialogue more colorful and adds lines to remove the silent parts. Thunderblast brags that no one can see her defeat the Autobot before Lori announces she is watching and that a mouse just beat Thunderblast. ''Galaxy Force'' mainly has the Decepticon boast about Wing Saber being at a severe disadvantage. Thunderblast says it's over for Wing Saber, but Lori says it's over for Thunderblast and calls her "Old lady!" before slamming the button.
*In ''Cybertron'', Thunderblast demands to be freed before Wing Saber says he is happy to oblige by blasting her. In ''Galaxy Force'', she questions what Wing Saber is doing, and he asks Thunderblast if she should be talking in her situation. Then he says, "A woman in hysteria isn't that hard to look at after all. Old lady!". While blasting off, Thunderblast says Lori and Wing Saber cheated in ''Cybertron'' but demands them to call her by her name instead of an old lady in ''Galaxy Force''.
*Jetfire compliments Thundercracker's punch in ''Cybertron'' but apologizes to the others for being unable to keep his promise to catch up with them in ''Galaxy Force''. Since Coby doesn't beg Jetfire to wake up until reaching him in ''Galaxy Force'', ''Cybertron'' expands his dialogue.
*Lori says Override's name only once when running in the corridor; Override and Scourge gasp when they react; Lori doesn't scream upon exiting the hallway. Then after saving Lori, Wing Saber only asks if she's okay, and she replies, "Somehow." Wing Saber compliments Lori on her "dramatic entrance" in ''Cybertron''.
*After seeing Scourge in the elevator, Override asks when he got there. Then Scourge tells Override that he needs to go, so they'll have to finish their fight another time in ''Galaxy Force''. In ''Cybertron'', he congratulates Lori for beating Thunderblast.
*In ''Cybertron'', Lori berates Scourge for retreating cowardly, and Scourge insists that he's making a "strategic withdrawal." In ''Galaxy Force'', she is angry because she suspects he deliberately tried to kill her, and Scourge swears that he'd never do that, asking her to forgive his exit.
*In ''Cybertron'', Wing Saber and Override wonder if the invading bots are Sideways's family. In ''Galaxy Force'', Wing Saber asks if it's Sideways before Override says it looks different.

===Animation and technical errors===
*After Optimus tells the rest of his team to continue onward in ''Galaxy Force'', they nod without saying anything, although Vector Prime's mouth moves. The ''Cybertron'' version is correct in this case.
*Wing Saber says that he "put" Lori into battle, which is grammatically incorrect. The word he should've said is "brought."
*The lip-synch for Scourge reacting to Lori's return near the end is slightly off. It's not a problem in ''Galaxy Force'' since he doesn't have any dialogue at that moment.

===Continuity notes===
*After Optimus sends Ransack and Crumplezone flying in ''Galaxy Force'', Ransack yells that they'll return next week. It is a neat fourth wall in-joke as that's what happens in the next episode, "[[Challenge]]," which premiered a week later in Japan.

===Continuity errors===
*Why does Lori state the obvious about Thunderblast going underwater when that's where her shots explicitly originated? In ''Galaxy Force'', Lori asked what it was instead before Wing Saber answers that they played right into Thunderblast's trap.
*Is Thundercracker clueless enough not to know that cement would come out of Quickmix's cement roller arm? In ''Galaxy Force'', Thundercracker stutters for Quickmix to wait so they can talk things out.
*So, did Scourge get his tail-axe back or what?
*When watching the projection, why does Lori ask where she, Override, and Wing Saber are despite Override saying the planet they're seeing is Gigantion? In ''Galaxy Force'', Lori asks if the image is Gigantion, and Wing Saber says it is undoubtedly.

===Real-world references===
*As she and Wing Saber jet off after Thunderblast, Lori cries "Hi-Yo Saber!", a reference to the western hero ''{{w|Lone Ranger|The Lone Ranger}}'' gave his horse, Silver, to begin running.
*"She can lead an Autobot to water..." Wing Saber says of Thunderblast's plan, with Lori adding, "...but can she make us drink?", paraphrasing that old saying about horses.
*When Wing Saber says, "I'll rock that boat!" while fighting Thunderblast, he alludes to the metaphor about one saying or doing something that will cause problems. "Rock the Boat" also refers to a song title used by various artists.
*While chasing Wing Saber underwater, Thunderblast starts singing the {{w|Jaws (film)#Music|theme from ''Jaws''}}.

===Trivia===
[[File:Override-Teeth.jpg|thumb|Override uses Crest Whitening strips.]]
*There's a noticeably greater amount of facial emoting from the CGI cast in this episode than usual. The series previously limited the height of facial animation to changing shape of the mouth. This episode features several characters getting "normal" [[teeth]] for certain expressions which aren't present in most other sequences, more fluid lip motions, and even eyes that change shape. It's a nice change of pace.
**The scene where Lori is almost crushed by falling debris has one of the few instances of "precise" lip-synching in the series: a close-up of Override's face as she yells "LORI!!!" The shot of her afterward repeating her name in a relieved tone is also synched, but no teeth. A close-up of Thunderblast just before she's crushed also has precise lip-sync, but it's synched to Japanese words, not English. Oh well.
*During his indecision on whether or not to follow Thunderblast, Wing Saber displays the comical, big {{w|Sweat drop|anime sweat drop}} on the side of his head, which means that Lori is scary enough to make robots sweat. Also, one can see Lori with a fang sticking out of her mouth when she's mad. O.o
*On that note, Lori is so scary that she makes ''Wing Saber'' obey her orders!
*Why is the multi-crane control tower (and all its workstations) the perfect size for Lori to use? Were these designed exclusively for Mini-Cons?
*As Thunderblast runs across the rooftops while luring Wing Saber and Lori along, her breasts actually... ''jiggle''. Seriously, Gonzo, we despair of you.
*Lori got a B+ in Computer class. Wing Saber thinks Lori didn't get an A because she may have crashed the computer. Very funny.

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2006 — ''Transformers: Galaxy Force'' — Vol. 11 ([[Victor Entertainment]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2008 — ''Transformers: Cybertron'' — The Ultimate Collection ([[Paramount Pictures|Paramount]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''Transformers: Cybertron'' — The Complete Series ([[Shout! Factory]])

[[Category:Cybertron episodes]]

Optimus Prime (RID)

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:''Optimus Prime is the [[Autobot]] leader from the [[Robots in Disguise continuity family]].''
[[File:RIDPrime02.jpg|upright=2|thumb|Ironically, filled with a [[burning spirit]].]]

'''Optimus Prime''' (aka '''Fire Convoy''') is a stern and serious commander, devoted to protecting freedom and innocent life. He has seen the galactic path of conquest and destruction already burned by [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]] and swears it will not include [[Earth]]. Optimus Prime often finds himself in the role of "straight man" to the more comic stylings of the other Autobots and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]], and tends to treat their humorous exaggerations or personality quirks as statements of straightforward fact. His subordinates view him as a great leader, if stubborn and much too prone to long speeches. Optimus Prime's greatest weakness is his sense of nobility. If an adversary claims to have had a change of heart and discovered inner goodness, Prime will fall for it every single time. But once he finds out he's been had, they'd better watch out!

{{quote|Our power is greater than theirs, because it comes from a place of goodness, not greed.|Optimus Prime|"[[Battle Protocol!]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====2001 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Neil Kaplan]] (English), [[Satoshi Hashimoto]] (Japanese)|[[Jeong-gu Lee|Jung Goo Lee]] (Korean), [[Vladimir Gerasimov]] (Russian), [[Guilherme Briggs]] (Portuguese), [[Gerardo Reyero]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Massimo Lodolo]] (Italian)}}
[[File:BattleProtocol Prime gun.jpg|thumb|left||Firearms are the right of all sentient beings.]]
Optimus Prime was created, along with [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Ultra Magnus]], by [[Alpha Trion (RID)|Alpha Trion]] during the [[Golden Age]]. The two of them were raised together, and thus, saw each other as brothers. However, this relationship was torn apart after the Cybertron Civil Wars, whereupon the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] chose Optimus Prime to command the Autobots in stopping the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] leader [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]] from ravaging the universe in his quest for energy. Ultra Magnus left Cybertron that same day, bitter and spiteful of his brother. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus: Forced Fusion!}}

Prime soon struck up command on [[Earth]], where he took the form of a fire truck. Operating out of a secret base in [[Metro City]], he and his fellow Autobots were more than ready to face Megatron and his Predacons. The conflict began when Megatron appeared in [[New York City]], attempting to kidnap the famous scientist [[Kenneth Onishi|Doctor Kenneth Onishi]]. Optimus struck up a friendship with Onishi's son, [[Koji Onishi|Koji]], and despite not being able to save the boy's father, vowed that he would help rescue him. {{storylink|Battle Protocol!}}

[[File:BulletTrainRescue Prime through window.jpg|thumb|Armor Digivolve!]]
Optimus later took Koji to see the Autobot base, during a series of Predacon attacks on trucks around Metro City. New Predacon [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] turned out to be after a terrorist device hidden in a sports car. With the bomb on the verge of exploding, Optimus converted to his [[Super Mode|battle mode]] and used his power stream to blast the shark and the bomb safely into space. {{storylink|An Explosive Situation}} The launch of the [[Linear RFG]] bullet train was also a clear target for the Predacons, and Optimus ordered the Autobots to provide an escort. Sure enough, the Predacons destroyed a bridge ahead, and Optimus aided [[Team Bullet Train]] in stopping the train before disaster occurred. {{storylink|Bullet Train to the Rescue}}

Together with the [[Autobot Brothers]], Prime prevented the Predacons from stealing the [[Plutonium Energy Generator]] stored in a Metro City warehouse. When the generator was later moved, the Predacons made a second attempt, but Prime was content to sit back and watch the [[Spychanger]]s go to work in foiling the quartet. {{storylink|Spychangers to the Rescue}}

{{quote|Your imagery is derivative. It lacks semiotic cohesion. And the hapless foe is you!|Optimus Prime, critiquing Sky-Byte's poetry|"The Hunt for Black Pyramid"}}

A distress call from Koji sent Optimus and the Autobot Brothers to a location in the sea near Metro City. Using the [[Global Space Bridge]], the Autobots made the leap out to a stricken ship, which was under attack by the Predacons. Prime fought with Sky-Byte, discovering that the shark had the edge while underwater. Once the ship was righted, the Autobot Leader quickly beat the Predacon into a withdrawal with his Fist of Steel. {{storylink|The Hunt for Black Pyramid}} Prime suspected that an attack by Megatron and the Predacon trio in the middle of Metro City was a diversion, and this was confirmed by an SOS from Side Burn, who was exploring [[Payuma ruins|Native American ruins]]. After Prime had traveled to the ruins and fought off Sky-Byte, the Autobots found a [[Doctor Onishi's microchip|microchip]], hidden there by Doctor Onishi. {{storylink|The Secret of the Ruins}}

[[File:SecretWeaponD5 TAI Prime thoughtful.jpg|thumb|left]]
Following Side Burn's kidnapping by the Predacons, Prime responded to the ransom request... by turning up alone and promptly being captured himself. Megatron began beating on the bound Optimus, until [[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]], [[X-Brawn]] and the Spychangers mounted a stealth rescue. The prisoners freed, the Autobots turned on the Predacons and chased them off. {{storylink|Sideburn's Obsession}} When Koji reported a Predacon attack on the [[Grandpa|D-512 Stanwich Steamer]], Optimus coordinated the Autobot defense from home base. After [[Midnight Express (RID)|Midnight Express]]'s last minute rescue of the train, Optimus held Koji up so that the boy could film the steam engine. {{storylink|Secret Weapon: D-5}}

[[File:SkidZsChoice Prime dynamic stock.jpg|thumb||I hope you like this shot, [[Stock footage|cos you'll be seeing it a lot!]]]]
Optimus was not very worried about Mirage having apparently defected, stating that he was an Autobot and a member of the elite Spychangers. {{storylink|Mirage's Betrayal}} Optimus has the Autobots all enter the [[International Grand Prix]] in order to try and find [[Skid-Z (RID)|Skid-Z]], a recently arrived Autobot who had scanned a racing car and become possessed by the urge to compete in races. Unfortunately the Predacons decided to enter the race too, and partway through, Optimus and the Autobot Brothers found themselves holding up a huge rock dropped onto them by Megatron. Fortunately Skid-Z himself turned up and destroyed the rock, allowing them to chase Megatron off. {{storylink|Skid Z's Choice}}

Another new recruit, [[Tow-Line (RID)|Tow-Line]] went rogue and began towing away random Autobots to an unspecified location. Prowl and Optimus finally managed to track Tow-Line down, correcting the damage to his circuits done by the Predacons, and rescuing their fellows. A rousing battle ensued, with inevitable defeat for the Predacons. {{storylink|Tow-Line Goes Haywire}} A Predacon investigation of the [[Cave of the Dragon]] lead Optimus and Midnight Express to dress up as a huge statue to chase them off. The ruse worked, and Optimus discovered that the cave did contain something of interest—an [[O-Part]]! {{storylink|The Ultimate Robot Warrior}} Concerned at recent Predacon activity, Optimus called the Autobots back to HQ to review previous missions. {{storylink|Hope for the Future}}

[[File:TheDecepticons Prime missile launchers.jpg|thumb|left]]
Lead by Doctor Onishi's microchip to [[Castle Peak]], Prime and the Autobot Brothers found the Predacons digging up a derelict Autobot spacecraft. The ship contained six [[protoform]]s, which Megatron promptly stole, whisking them away to nearby [[McKinley Army Base]] to be formatted into [[Decepticon]]s. During the fight at the base, [[Kelly (RID)|Kelly]] attempted to flee in a fuel tanker, and was saved by Optimus from plunging into a crater. The last protoform scanned Optimus and the tanker at the same time, resulting in [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]], a Decepticon resembling a twisted clone of the Autobot leader. {{storylink|The Decepticons}} The Decepticons' first mission was to attack [[Sherman Dam]], during which Optimus managed to stop them from detonating explosives planted on the dam, and clashed with Scourge. {{storylink|Commandos}}

[[File:Volcano Prime battle mode stock.jpg|thumb|"I am Optimus Prime. And your Light... is mine".]]
More activity lead Prime and the Spychangers to [[Montrose Island]], where they clashed with the Decepticons and Sky-Byte. With the volcano in danger of erupting, Optimus froze the crater with his Blizzard Storm attack, but was occupied fighting Scourge to do any more. He pinned [[Ruination (RID)|Ruination]], allowing the Spychanger to use their [[Inferno Blast]] to divert the erupting lava to the sea. {{storylink|Volcano (episode)|Volcano}} The Decepticons had [[Movor]] fired into space to try and locate the Autobot base from orbit, by observing Autobot movements. Optimus had Side Burn go to [[Pier 7B]], where an ambush had been arranged. Prime's battle with Scourge was largely won by the fact that Movor kept firing on the pair from space and accidentally hitting Scourge. {{storylink|Attack from Outer Space}}

Prime hoped that Scourge and his fellow Decepticons would one day be restored to their true Autobot selves, and in fact at one point [[Mega-Octane]] met with Optimus Prime, claiming that the Decepticons wanted to defect. Just as Optimus was about to show the Decepticons to the Autobot base, Sky-Byte attacked. Scourge's strike at the Predacon would have incurred a human casualty, had Optimus not deflected the sword blow with his [[Flying Fist]], and the trick was revealed. Enraged with disappointment, Optimus [[burning spirit|glowed with power]] as he fought off the Decepticons. {{storylink|The Test (episode)|The Test}}

[[File:WedgesShortFuse Prime Blizzard Blast.jpg|thumb|left||This image conjures some uncomfortable imagery...]]
Optimus took part in countering a series of attacks on power plants, {{storylink|The Fish Test}} and arrived in [[Antarctica]] in time to help the [[Build Team (RID)|Build Team]] defeat the Decepticon and Predacon forces. {{storylink|Wedge's Short Fuse}} He also helped the Build Team reach the space bridge computer after the Decepticons sabotaged it. During the subsequent battle in the Arctic, he was content to let [[Landfill (RID)|Landfill]] face Megatron alone, as a matter of honor. {{storylink|Landfill (episode)|Landfill}}

Sky-Byte and his Predacons attacked the [[CGA Tower]] during its opening, apparently holding the humans inside hostage and demanding that Optimus Prime bring him the O-Parts. Optimus headed for the scene, but was cut off by the Decepticons. His haste resulted in him speedily dispatching Ruination with one shot from his Blaze Blaster, before hurrying to the tower. After a further battle with Scourge, Optimus helped stabilise the tower so that Landfill could create a new foundation for it. {{storylink|Sky-Byte Saves the Day}} Optimus took time out to review footage of the Autobots' recent missions, in order to better understand his enemies. {{storylink|Lessons of the Past}} After the Decepticons began a vendetta against the Build Team, Optimus ordered the Build Team not to get involved—but they did anyway, battling Ruination underground. Prime reached the location after Landfill had defeated the Decepticons in a huge fireball, and extinguished the four Autobots. {{storylink|A Test of Metal}}

[[File:Forced Fusion Optimusbattlestation.jpg|thumb|]]
Matters escalated when Ultra Magnus appeared on Earth, making his desire to take the Matrix from Optimus Prime known to his "brother". Optimus confronted Magnus, inviting the Autobot to join his team, but Magnus refused and challenged Prime to a duel. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus (episode)|Ultra Magnus}} Optimus refused to fight Magnus, and was thus mercilessly fired upon, until [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]], [[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]], and [[X-Brawn]] arrived to carry him away. Prime took refuge on a deserted island, but the Decepticons, Megatron, and Magnus all tracked him there. In the midst of the battle, Magnus forcibly activated their ability to combine into [[Omega Prime]], intending to use it to drain Prime of his energy so he could take the Matrix, but Optimus managed to take control and use their combination to stop the Decepticons. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus: Forced Fusion!}}

[[File:KojiGetsHisWish Optimus firing at Scourge.jpg|thumb||left|I don't belong in this reality!]]

After the Decepticons captured the Autobot Brothers, Optimus confronted them, but was unable to fight back under threat of the brothers being killed. Despite being pounded on by the Decepticons, Optimus was fit enough to combine with Ultra Magnus once the three brothers were freed. {{storylink|The Two Faces of Ultra Magnus}} Optimus came to the Autobot Brothers' rescue himself when they experienced an odd power drain during battle. He fought Ruination and Scourge alone until Ultra Magnus arrived to lend a hand. {{storylink|Power to Burn!}}

During the search for some ruins under Metro City, Optimus Prime monitored things from base. He joined his men when they found [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|Fortress Maximus]] hidden in the ruins, and helped fight the Decepticons off. {{storylink|Fortress Maximus (episode)|Fortress Maximus}} While the Build Team concealed Fortress Maximus, Optimus kept Scourge busy, fighting the Decepticon beneath the city. {{storylink|Koji Gets His Wish}} He turned up in the [[Sahara|Sahara Desert]] after the rest of the Autobots had collected all of the O-Parts, in time to fight off Megatron. {{storylink|A Friendly Contest}}

[[File:MaximusEmerges Optimus and Magnus.jpg|thumb|Christian side-hug.]]
Combined into an orb, the O-Parts lead Optimus and the Autobot Brothers back to the Sahara, and a pyramid located in a cavern beneath the sands. There they battled with Megatron and the Decepticons over the [[Orb of Sigma]]. Once again, Omega Prime was formed in order to battle Megatron, and at the end of the battle, only the Autobot was still standing. {{storylink|Peril from the Past}} Though the Autobots gained the location of [[Cerebros (RID)|Cerebros]], the key to activating Fortress Maximus, Cerebros was snatched from their grasp by the Decepticons. Optimus lead his men in attempted to protect the titan, but Scourge managed to succeed. Fortress Maximus proved impossible to control, and began rampaging across the city. The return of Megatron, in a few form as Galvatron, complicated the battle, and even Optimus and Ultra Magnus combined into Omega Prime were unable to stop the devastation, until Koji managed to command Maximus to stop. {{storylink|Maximus Emerges}}

[[File:SurpriseAttack Optimus carries Cerebros.jpg|thumb||left|"I look ridiculous"]]
Clashes with the Decepticons and Fortress Maximus in a desert {{storylink|The Human Element}} and a forest were largely unsuccessful, but internal ructions in the Decepticon ranks eventually resulted in the Autobots managing to gain control of Cerebros. {{storylink|Mistaken Identity}} When the Decepticons discovered the location of the Autobot base and mounted an attack, Optimus took Cerebros, leading the Decepticons through Metro City to an ambush in a more remote location. Prime and Magnus combined into Omega Prime once again, but found they were ineffective against the power of Galvatron's ''[[Megastar]]'', and were forced to sit back and watch as Fortress Maximus dealt with the battle station. {{storylink|Surprise Attack!}}

Galvatron had survived the confrontation and began draining power from Fortress Maximus. When Omega Prime confronted him, he responded by using [[cyber-bat]]s to enslave and threaten the world's children. Prime was forced to call a retreat through the space bridge, which gave Galvatron the opportunity to trap them there and flood the tunnel with lava. As Optimus was overcome by the lava, Koji's words inspired him to escape and confront Galvatron once more. {{storylink|Galvatron's Revenge}}

Though Galvatron seized the rest of the Autobots in an energy field, Optimus escaped and combined with Ultra Magnus. Omega Prime challenged Galvatron one-on-one at the [[Earth's core]]. He was seemingly no match for the Decepticon leader, until Fortress Maximus sent his power, which energized the Matrix, forming the giant weapon, the [[Matrix Blade]]. Galvatron was defeated, and with that, the Autobots' mission on Earth was finished, and Prime resolved to return to Cybertron—but not before "one last look around" with Koji and the rest of his team. {{storylink|The Final Battle (RID)|The Final Battle}}

====Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity====
{{CRnote|Optimus Prime|[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Generation 1 Optimus Prime]]|Fire Convoy}}
=====''Kiss Players''=====
[[Shaoshao Li]] time-traveled the year [[2000]] to acquire Fire Convoy's piece of the [[Transformer afterlife|Allspark]] (in reality [[Angolmois Energy|Unicron's lifeforce]]) while Fire Convoy [[Battle Protocol!|was battling]] Gigatron in New York City. Shortly thereafter, [[Primus|a golden hand]] snatched away the Allspark fragment. {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 47|Kiss Players #47}}

=====''Super Spychanger Lottery''=====
Fire Convoy and his Autobots were still on Earth in [[2003]] when a new threat arose. To deal with this, the [[Spychanger]]s were granted [[Spark Engine]]s that gave them Super forms. {{Storylink|The Secret of the Birth of the Super Spychangers}}

=====''Unite Warriors''=====
While grappling with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] in [[2021]], [[Mega-Octane]] was disappointed in Prime's strength compared to that of Fire Convoy. {{storylink|Ruination Chapter, Part One}}

=====''Legends'' comic=====
In the [[Legends World]], Fire Convoy was a fictional character in a franchise of toys and media. Affected by [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]]'s '80s Transformation Beam, a TV began airing adult-rated content at prime time as was acceptable in the '80s, including a scene of [[#KT Figure Collection|Fire Convoy creeping on a bathing T-AI]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 3|Bonus Edition Vol. 3}} When Sky-Byte, still on [[Earth]] in the [[2004]] of the [[G1 World]], was sent to the Legends World, he was perplexed to find that the Transformers were fictional. When [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] explained to him about characters like [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], Sky-Byte found through research that "Optimus Prime" was the English name of his hated enemy, Fire Convoy. Thus, he sought to ruin Fire Convoy's reputation in this world... by dressing up as ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (franchise)|Age of Extinction]]'' Optimus Prime. The plan didn't work out, as Sky-Byte was unable to bring himself to crush young fans' dreams. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 6|Bonus Edition Vol. 6}}

Following his victory on Earth, Fire Convoy returned to his own future and continued leading the Dimensional Patrol from [[Neo Brave Maximus]]. When an escaped Scourge attacked their base to rescue Devil Gigatron, Fire Convoy tried to initiate [[Battle Protocol]] only to find that T-AI had been hacked by [[Dark Ai]]. As it turned out, however, Gigatron had lost his taste for evil and refused to come with Scourge, instead choosing rekindle his old friendship with Fire Convoy and joining the Patrol. {{storylink|LGEX Scourge Prologue}} The two of them would eventually discover a new combination technique, leading the Patrol as Devil God Fire Convoy. {{storylink|Transformers Legends Final Chapter "Epiloge"|Epiloge}}

=====Ask Vector Prime=====
[[Vector Prime]] claimed Fire Convoy was a vassal of the [[Convoy Council]] and a peer of [[Reverse Convoy]], [[Lio Convoy]], and [[Galaxy Convoy]]. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#July 14, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/14}} He led the [[Dimensional Patrol]] in pursuit of [[Megatron (RID)|Gigatron]]'s [[Predacon (BW)|Destronger]]s to the year 2000 at the behest of the [[Convoy Council]]. While Fire Convoy was making preparations, he discovered the Beta BT unit of [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] which had been in storage for centuries. Knowing that the memories it contained were invaluable, Fire Convoy had the Beta BT unit rebuilt with [[Spychanger]] technology and infused with life by [[Vector Sigma]]. [[Prowl 2]] taught Fire Convoy and his Dimensional Patrol much about life on late 20th century Earth although Prowl 2 himself was unable to join the Dimensional Patrol on their expedition due to the risk of time paradoxes. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 10, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/10}}

====Dreamwave ''Robots in Disguise'' comic====
[[File:UltraMagnustotheRescue Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|]]
With the other Autobots all engaged in other fights around the world, Optimus Prime alone was available to answer T-AI's battle protocol at an experimental nuclear generator in Arizona. His opening plan was to lure the Predacons and Decepticons away from the humans to battle them at a safe distance, but his wayward brother Ultra Magnus intervened, confronting the villains head on in the middle of the generator plant. As Prime chastised Magnus for his rash action, Scourge overheard and seized on the idea to threaten the humans if the Autobots didn't stand down. Despite his anger at Optimus, Ultra Magnus remembered his Autobot training and reluctantly laid down his weapon. At the proper moment, though, the brothers managed to attack a distracted Scourge and save the humans. The Predacons and Decepticons escaped with the generator, but the humans were safe. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus...to the Rescue?}}

=====Ask Vector Prime=====
Optimus may have later been part of Omega Prime, who worked with Fortress Maximus to put an end to the universe-consumption campaign of Unicron, a warlord who had united his consciousness with [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]]. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#July 28, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/28}}

====3H and Fun Publications comics====
[[File:TFUjailbreak.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|left|Here I am, kept in this tiny room, forced to be kept merged to this dude who hates me.]]

In universal stream [[Viron 903.0 Beta]], {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#August 13, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/13}} after turning in Galvatron to the proper authorities, Optimus Prime enjoyed the time following by studying various lifeforms and their environments on other planets throughout the universe. During this vacation, his weapons systems were upgraded considerably.

However, his skills were inevitably needed once again on Earth when evil threatened the planet. He formed the [[Dimensional Patrol]] from the ranks of the Autobots who had stayed behind on Earth, as well as additional experts in transwarp technology, to defend the planet from those who would do it harm via the "temporal and spatial nexus" in Earth's proximity. Unfortunately, Optimus Prime, Ultra Magnus, and several members of the Dimensional Patrol were abducted by [[Unicron]]. Here they were to battle each other in the [[Cauldron]], where their energy would feed and repair the shattered body of the Chaos Bringer. {{storylink|The Official Transformers Collectors' Club Magazine issue 1|Optimus Prime's profile in Club magazine #1}} One of Optimus's fellow abductees was [[Red Alert (RID 2001)|Red Alert]], who died at some point and had his body taken over by [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]]. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#August 13, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/13}}

As Omega Prime, Prime and Magnus escaped this fate in a jailbreak set into motion by [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] and [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]]. They left Unicron for their home universe via a portal created by [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] and [[Snarl (BM)|Snarl]], {{storylink|Escape (Universe)|Escape}} but shortly thereafter they were once again called into service by [[Primus]]. {{storylink|Homecoming (Universe)|Homecoming}}

[[File:OptimusPrimeRIDprimuschamber.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Prime picked this trick up from watching ''BASEketball.'']]
During the final battle with the [[Minion of Unicron (Universe)|Minions of Unicron]] in the [[Pit (Universe)|Pit]], Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus (as Omega Prime) were fighting alongside the [[Child of Primus|Children of Primus]] when the corrupt pocket universe began to collapse around them. Omega Prime and the others fled through a dimensional portal, but the powerlinxed brothers were diverted by the former [[Mini-Con]] [[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]] into [[Aurex 405.0 Epsilon|another reality]], {{Storylink|Revelations Part 2}} just in time to stop [[Nemesis Prime (Universe)|Nemesis Prime]] from unleashing the [[Dead Matrix]] inside the Spark Chamber of [[Primus]]. The evil clone was defeated, {{storylink|Revelations Part 1}} and the brothers hooked up with [[Sentinel Maximus]] and his comrades as they attempted to fortify the local Cybertron against the [[Unicron Singularity]]. {{storylink|Revelations Part 2}}

[[File:InvasionPrologue-Primes.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|left|Prime probably should have learned by now that Sentinel Maximus can't do anything.]]
Working relatively behind the scenes while that reality's [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and his crew searched for the [[Cyber Planet Key]]s, Optimus Prime and his brother found themselves moderating an internal dispute among the Mini-Con colonies in Cybertron's debris field, {{Storylink|Revelations Part 4}} and were engaged with a Cybertronian-sized version of [[Unicron]] himself when Primus first transformed due to an infusion of Cyber Key Power. {{storylink|Revelations Part 5}} Some months later, after the final battle with the Cyber Key empowered [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Galvatron]], Optimus Prime first met his local counterpart, and they exchanged information on their endeavors over the last few months. With the newly reformed Unicron on the loose after their last encounter, Optimus chose to join Ultra Magnus and Sentinel Maximus in hunting him down. {{storylink|Revelations Part 6}}

Optimus Prime was gathered in [[Axiom Nexus]] by [[Optimus Prime (TransTech)|its Optimus Prime]], along with a roster of other Optimus Primes and [[Sentinel Maximus|their]] [[Lio Convoy|kin]] in a group known as the [[Convoy (group)|Convoy]]. A multiversal cataclysm in [[Primax 207.0 Epsilon|a universe]] seeded with [[Rarified Energon]] and an invasion by evil Autobots from [[Primax -408.24 Epsilon|the negative polarity universe]] had called them into action. Since Matrix bearers were usually never allowed into Axiom Nexus, this was a grave threat indeed! {{storylink|Invasion Prologue}}

His name was on a list of Convoy members given by [[Cheetor (TransTech)|Cheetor]] to [[Andromeda (TransTech)|Andromeda]]. The list noted that he was also known by the moniker '''Ignition Prime''' and hailed from universal stream Viron 903.0 Beta. {{storylink|Andromeda - Axiom Nexus News Reporter|Andromeda - Axiom Nexus News, 2015/05/21}} Ignition Prime was present at a meeting of the Convoy after the turmoil caused by the [[Waruder]] invasion of Axiom Nexus. {{storylink|Cybertron's Most Wanted}}

Despite his great sense of duty, Prime longed for a day when he could return to his original Earth to spend time with his old pal, [[Koji Onishi]]. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 8|Optimus Prime's profile in Club magazine #8}}

====Spacewarp's Log====
In one reality, [[Megatron (RID)|Devil Gigatron]] was imprisoned at [[Garrus-7]] after his defeat by Fire Convoy. After Devil Gigatron upgraded into Gigatron Z, broke out of prison, and went on a rampage with his new Autobot-turned-Predacon crew, Fire Convoy's crew stopped them. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Spacewarp's Log (1), 2015/10/27}}

===Toy bio continuity===
In [[Viron 102.0 Beta]], Optimus Prime was a student of [[Scavenger (RID)|Scavenger]] at the [[Autobot Military Academy]]. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 22, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/22}} Later, on early 21st century Earth, Prime led the Autobots against [[Megatron (RID)|Galvatron]]'s Predacon/Decepticon forces. The enemy received aid from the time-traveling Predacon criminal [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]], who granted Galvatron a body upgrade into Megatron Megabolt. This body could form the head of Megabolt Maximus, the Megatron-hijacked Fortress Maximus. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 30, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/30}} Optimus Prime was assisted by [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]], a "spirit guide" also from the future. {{storylink|Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Robots in Disguise (2001)|Air Attack Optimus Primal toy bio}} After a long and difficult battle, Prime and Primal triumphed over Megatron and Cryotek. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 30, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/30}}

===Shell Game===
[[File:ShellGame optimusprime.jpg|thumb|Good thing we didn't see what happened to him, or else [[The Transformers: The Movie|history would've repeated itself.]]]]
In [[Viron 704.31 Epsilon]], Optimus Prime, as part of [[Omega Prime]], defeated Megatron, but Megatron was soon replaced by a more fearsome Decepticon/Predacon leader, [[Megazarak (Universe)|Megazarak]]. On the eve of a critical battle with Megazarak's forces, Optimus's loyal soldiers [[Fireflight (Universe Deluxe)|Fireflight]], [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]], [[Ironhide (RID)|Ironhide]], [[Drydock (TF 2010)|Drydock]], [[Ratchet (Universe)|Ratchet]], [[Swerve (Chevy)|Swerve]], [[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]] were abducted by [[Unicron]] to fight in the [[Universe War]]. Despite some of Megazarak's Decepticons being abducted as well, Optimus, [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]], [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], and [[X-Brawn]] ultimately fell to Megazarak's onslaught. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#July 30, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/30}}

Optimus's corpse was thereafter visible on the surface of Cybertron, one of countless Autobots who fell at the hands of [[Megazarak (Universe)|Megazarak]]. {{storylink|Shell Game}}

===Spychanger continuity===
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[[Image:Optimusprimelittleyellowdifferent.jpg|left|thumb]]
====Dreamwave ''Armada'' comic====
When the [[Herald of Unicron|Heralds of Unicron]] destabilized the [[space bridge nexus]] in [[Aurex 402.24 Gamma]], causing the space bridges to become windows to other dimensions, [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] caught a glimpse of Optimus Prime and Prowl. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 4 of 4}}

====OTFCC Voice Actor Drama====
{{voiceactor|[[Michelle Carolus]] (English)}}
The Optimus Prime of [[Viron 1103.12 Gamma]] was forced to downsize to a [[Spychanger]] form when the [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] of her world accidentally turned all of Earth's energon toxic. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#August 18, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/18}} She and her cohorts were later plucked from their universe and stranded on a frozen planetoid during the [[Universe War]]; they stranded Autobots were targeted for 'recruitment' by [[Reptilion]], but rescued by the [[Child of Primus|Children of Primus]].{{storylink|Voice Actor Drama}}

{{note|Prime's "Worlds Collide" cameo was originally meant to be the cartoon incarnation of Optimus Prime, but was later retconned into being the Prime from the Voice Actor Drama. That Prime was called "he" by Prowl, but was later retconned into being female as a nod to the female fan who voiced him for the presentation.}}{{--}}

===''Kre-O'' online comic===
[[File:KreO-webcomic-10-FireConvoy.jpg|thumb|75px]]

Fire Convoy watched [[T-AI]] bathe at [[Metroplex (G1)|Autobot City]]. {{storylink|Two Giant Bases! Everybody Getting Along, Come On, Fight!}}

===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
1,000 years after the [[Grand Uprising]], Fire Convoy was a member of the [[Convoy Council]], which unanimously voted to dispatch the ''[[Hyperborea (BWU)|Hyperborea]]'' to pursue the ''[[Terrastar (BWU)|Terrastar]]''. {{storylink|The Inexorable March}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
While [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] explained the purpose of his [[Timemaze]], [[:File:RequiemoftheWreckers TimemazeConsole.jpg|a familiar-looking red robot appeared on one of the device's screens]]. {{Storylink|Transformers: Requiem of the Wreckers|Requiem of the Wreckers}}

==Toys==
===''Robots in Disguise'' (2001)===
[[File:RID Optimus Prime toy.jpg|upright=2.40|thumb|AMERICAN [[burning spirit|BURNING SPIRIT]] ''(Hasbro Version Pictured)'']]
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<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Super Fire Convoy''' (2000) / '''Optimus Prime''' (Super Class, 2001)}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number'': '''C-001'''
:*''Accessories'': Pistol, 4 missiles
{{toydesigner|[[Hisashi Yuki]] (TakaraTomy), [[Masakatsu Saito]] and [[Junichi Akutsu]] (concept art)}}

:''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' Optimus Prime transforms into a made-up turntable ladder truck resembling a three-axle {{w|lang=ja|日野・MH|first-generation Hino/Morita "Super Gyro Ladder MH" firetruck}}. Harkening back to early Generation 1 toys, he features rubber tires with chromed hubcaps as well as a 1/60ish control chair compatible with [[pre-Transformer]] ''[[Diaclone]]'' pilots at the base of his ladder. The forward section of his truck detaches to become his standard [[robot mode]], which can be equipped with "Transmine" shoulder pads and "Fire Knuckle" gauntlets to become an intermediary "Mega Robot" mode. His vehicle mode "[[trailer]]" can also be reconfigured into a sort of battle station called the Transrebair (トランスリベア ''Toransuribea'') in ''Car Robots'', a pun on "repair bay". The station can then be disassembled and attached around the robot to form his "Ultra Robot" Battle Mode. His standard robot can combine with [[Ultra Magnus (RID)#Toys|Ultra Magnus]] to form [[Omega Prime]].

:The original [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] ''Car Robots'' release differs from the [[Hasbro]] version in that it has a darker, metallic-flake plastic, gold chrome eyes for both modes and has no Autobot symbols tampo-printed on the shoulder pads. Obviously, the voice clips used for the Japanese toy are also different, although the English clips are essentially translations of the Japanese ones (with the Hasbro toy proclaiming that Optimus Prime's transformation into super mode uses the code-phrase "[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|maximize]]"). Furthermore, Fire Convoy's missiles are of a different mold on the Japanese toy. The toy’s ladder features a trigger that flips all four of his missile launchers forward into firing position when pressed. On Fire Convoy, pressing this trigger causes all four missiles to immediately launch when they flip forward, whereas the Hasbro toy removes the auto-fire feature, allowing them to be launched one-at-a-time via individual triggers. Unchanged from the Takara release, the tires feature the name "FIRE CONVOY" instead of "OPTIMUS PRIME". The Hasbro release also filled in the lowest row of holes on the sides of the ladder's lower section, which are also attached to the wrong sides. This misassembly is present on all Hasbro releases of the mold, as well as the Encore release. As well, the toy has the unfortunate tendency for its rubber tires to split down its molding connection.

:Optimus Prime's pistol can also be stored on the right side of his electronics backpack by attaching to a nub, but this was dropped from the Hasbro instructions. With some fidgeting it can be kept there in the Super and Omega Prime modes, but with the low clearance and shorter nub height it's likely to fall off if the figure is held wrong.

: [[Sonokong]] also released ''Super Fire Convoy'' in [[South Korea|Korean]] markets, with the electronics and tooling changes of the Hasbro release, replacing the fire department kanji (消防庁) with a {{w|119 (emergency telephone number)|119}}, and in packaging resembling the second Takara release.

:This mold was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Defensor (OTFCC)#Universe .282003.29|OTFCC 2005 Defensor]], but that toy ended up unreleased.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
::*''[https://hotaru007.tistory.com/entry/%ED%8A%B8%EB%9E%9C%EC%8A%A4%ED%8F%AC%EB%A8%B8-%EC%B9%B4%EB%A1%9C%EB%B4%87-%EC%8A%88%ED%8D%BC-%ED%8C%8C%EC%9D%B4%EC%96%B4-%EC%BD%98%EB%B3%B4%EC%9D%B4 Korean blog post detailing the Sonokong release]''

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[[File:CR-Black-Super-Fire-Convoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|JET BLACK BURNING SPIRIT]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Black Super Fire Convoy ''' (Super Class, 2000/2001)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Pistol, 4 missiles

: Also known as "Super Fire Convoy Black Version" and "Dark Super Fire Convoy", this [[black repaint]] of the Optimus Prime figure featured a golden chrome chest, and clear sirens. It was available only as a prize in several contests held by Takara: 15 units were available as prizes in a raffle held in [[TV Magazine]] in July; 400 were raffled off in a drawing that involved sending in coupons that came with the ''Car Robots'' DVDs (200 from October to December 2000, and 200 more from March to May 2001); and an undetermined amount were offered in a scratch-card contest also held by TV Magazine.

:This figure was also sold in a giftest with a black version of Ultra Magnus as "Black God Fire Convoy", noted below.

::*''[https://ridforever.info/toys/car-robots-toys/car-robots-cybertrons/black-super-fire-convoy More information on Black Super Fire Convoy at RID Forever]''

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[[File:Car Robots Crystal Fire Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|SPARKLY BURNING SPIRIT]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Clear Super Fire Convoy''' (Super Class, 2000)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Pistol, 4 missiles

: Clear Super Fire Convoy is constructed primarily of translucent plastic, with opalescent/glittery white parts and gold chrome hubcaps. Like the Black Version of the figure, was only available as a contest prize. An unknown number of units were raffled off as part of the "Convoy Car Robots Campaign" between June and July 2000, while 15 were available at drawings held at Tokyo's Seibu Department Store between the 15th and 28th of August.

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[[File:CR-Black-God-Fire-Convoy.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|ULTIMATE JET BLACK BURNING SPIRIT]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Black God Fire Convoy''' (Giftset, 2000)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Pistol, 4 missiles

:This two-figure giftset includes the Black Super Figure Convoy figure, plus a black version of the Ultra Magnus figure (itself exceptionally rare), who together combine to form Black God Fire Convoy. It was ''ludicrously'' limited in its availability, with the only ten units known to exist being offered as prizes in a scratch-card contest that TV Magazine run until early November 2000.

::*''[http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/content.php?/transformers-toys/toy-gallery/1795/Car+Robots/Black+God+Magnus More information on Black God Fire Convoy at Transformers at the Moon]''

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[[File:Car Robots Clear Fire Convoy Box Set Version.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|WIDER RELEASE SPARKLY BURNING SPIRIT]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''God Fire Convoy Special Clear Version''' (Giftset, 2000)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Pistol, 4 missiles, [[Matrix Blade|Super God Sword]]

:The God Fire Convoy Special Clear Version (ゴッドファイヤーコンボイスペシャルクリアバージョン) set includes a DIFFERENT clear Super Figure Convoy figure (with silver chrome hubcaps), plus a clear version of God Magnus. Together, they combine to form God Fire Convoy. The set also included the Super God Sword, which had previously been available only through various contests and raffles.

:The giftset was exclusive to Japanese [[Toys"R"Us]] stores. Released on November 23, 2000, it was limited to 3000 pieces; reportedly, only 100 TRUs carried the set, and limited customers to one purchase on the day of release.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Cybertron/ClearSuperFireConvoy/superfireconvoy.htm More information on Clear Super Fire Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:RID-toy OptimusPrime-SpyChanger.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Tiny BURNING SPIRIT]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Optimus Prime''' (Basic Class, 2002)}}</ul>

: One of only four all-new molds in the Hasbro ''Robots in Disguise'' line, this is a smaller, simplified version of the large Optimus Prime made for the Basic Class. He transforms from fire truck directly to "super" robot mode. He features through-axle construction for super-fast rolling on smooth surfaces.

: Oddly, all promotional images of this figure depicted it colored in ''[[:File:Spychanger RIDPrime toy.jpg|orange]]''.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Autobot/OptimusPrimeGobot/optimusprime.htm More information on Spychanger Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Super Fire Convoy''' (Super Class)}}</ul>

:The original Super Class Fire Convoy/Optimus Prime was planned to be reissued in 2014, but no progress was made. The reissue also intended to include a TRU exclusive Super God Sword accessory,<ref>http://news.tfw2005.com/2013/08/05/super-fire-convoy-2014-reissue-178159</ref> however...

{{canceledtoy}}
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===''Universe'' (2003)===
[[File:Universe2003toy-OptimusPrimeSuper.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|LEMON-FLAVORED BURNING SPIRIT]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Optimus Prime''' (Supreme Class, 2003)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Pistol, 4 missiles

: A Sam's Club [[exclusive]], the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' release of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime swaps out his red plastic for yellow and makes his Super Mode "bandolier" black . He came packed in [[robot mode]] in an upright display package, which featured a sticker on the front with a hilariously mistransformed Omega Prime, advertising the toy's combining ability with the simultaneously-released, slightly-redecoed Sam's Club exclusive ''Universe'' release of ''Robots in Disguise'' Ultra Magnus.

: For some reason, his die-cast chest is still painted in the same red as the original release, and the Autobot symbol on his chest in Battle Mode is left unpainted.

: This toy was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as both [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]]'s upgraded "[[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys#Universe (2003)|Shotimus Prime]]" form and as [[Yellow Splendid Convoy]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/TFUOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Universe'' Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:TFU03-toy OptimusWMSpychanger.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Tiny LEMON-FLAVORED BURNING SPIRIT]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Optimus Prime and Prowl''' (Basic Class two-pack, 2003)}}</ul>

: One of a half-dozen Wal-Mart exclusive ''Universe'' toys to hit in the span of a few short months in 2003, this version of Prime is a yellow [[redeco]] of the ''Robots in Disguise'' Basic class Optimus Prime (with an oddly-unpainted face), based on the Sam's Club version of the larger toy. Prime was only available in a Basic-pricepoint two-pack with [[Prowl (RID)#WMSC|Prowl]].

: This toy notably features as the [[Optimus Prime (Universe)|female Spychanger Optimus Prime]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/TFUOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Universe'' Spychanger Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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===''Cybertron''===
[[File:Cybertrontoy ridprime magnus 2pack.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|MULTIVERSAL BURNING SPIRIT]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Ultra Magnus & Optimus Prime''' (Multi-pack, 2005)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Pistol, 4 missiles

: Likely conceived as a simple repackaging of Optimus' and Magnus' ''Universe'' figures, this [[Costco]] exclusive ultimately redecoes Prime's yellow plastic back into red... which ends up making him functionally identical to his original toy, albeit with the ''Universe'' toy's black chest detailing. Unlike any other version of the mold, however, the tiny yellow detailing on his knees and waist is now painted red.
: He was sold with ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Ultra Magnus (RID)#Cybertron|Ultra Magnus]], an unchanged Super Class ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' Ultra Magnus.

:The ''Cybertron'' branding left it rather up in the air whether this Optimus Prime constituted a new iteration of the character in the [[Unicron Trilogy continuity family|''Cybertron'' franchise's fiction]] or what until the Facebook edition of [[Ask Vector Prime]] settled the issue in [[2015]] by seizing on the resemblance to his original ''Robots in Disguise'' deco to [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 26, 2015|rule it the appearance of the original guy]] in his various [[#3H and Fun Publications comics|convention comic adventures]].

:In Australia, this set was released as a Myer exclusive.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Autobot/CostCoOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Cybertron'' Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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===''Titanium Series''===
[[File:Titanium RIDPrime.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|METAL BURNING SPIRIT]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Optimus Prime''' (6" Cybertron Heroes, 2006)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Display stand, nameplate
{{toydesigner|[[Don Figueroa]] (concept artist)}}

: ''[[Titanium Series]]'' Optimus is a six-inch tall [[die-cast]] metal and plastic version of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime. In [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] the ladder rotates at its base and the nozzles flip out of the end of the ladder, but the ladder cannot extend. As he is a heavily simplified version of the larger toy, the entire fire truck transforms into the "super" robot mode, and lacks a smaller robot form or base mode. Panels on his forearms pop up and reveal small, non-firing sculpted guns.

: This mold was also used to make ''Titanium Series'' [[Hot Spot (G1)#Titanium Series|Hot Zone]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/TitRIDOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Titanium'' Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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===''Encore''===
[[File:TF-Encore-Fire-Convoy.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|<s>REISSUED</s> RECALLED BURNING SPIRIT]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''God Fire Convoy''' (Multi-pack, [[2018]])}}</ul>
:*''Release date'': [[March 23]], 2018
:*''Accessories'': Pistol, 4 missiles

:In this ''[[Transformers Encore|Encore]]'' reissue giftset, Super Fire Convoy and God Magnus have slightly different plastic colors, and the chrome details are replaced by show-accurate paint applications. Fire Convoy's truck mode has the "C-001" license plate [[show-accuracy|as seen in the animation]]. The tip of the Super God Sword is now translucent. This version of Super Fire Convoy retains the retooling done for the Hasbro Robots in Disguise version of the mold.

:Many specimens of this toy feature a design flaw in Fire Convoy's ankle joints, which makes it hard or impossible to get the truck cab to clip together properly. Quality control errors are common on this set, from poorly-aligned parts of the robots themselves, to electronics that play the wrong sounds, to even inaccurate callouts and pictures on the packaging. [[TakaraTomy]] took the unprecedented step of issuing a public apology and refunded recall of the set.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/encore-god-fire-convoy-lg64-seaspray-and-rione-lg65-targetmaster-twin-twist-lg66-targetmaster.1124163/page-60#post-15674212 TakaraTomy apology and recall notice]</ref>

::*''[https://ridforever.info/toys/other-toys/encore-toys/god-fire-convoy-2 More information on ''Encore'' Fire Convoy at RID Forever]''
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===''Legacy''===
[[File:HasLab RID01 Optimus Prime.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|CROWDFUNDED BURNING SPIRIT]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Omega Prime''' (2025)}}</ul>
:*''Series'': ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|Robots in Disguise 2001]]'' / ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]''
:*''TakaraTomy name:'' '''God Fire Convoy''' (ゴッドファイヤーコンボイ)
:*''Accessories'': Blaster, [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Legacy|Matrix of Leadership]], combinable [[Global Space Bridge#Legacy|Global Space Bridge]] display stands (Tier 2 Unlock)
{{toydesigner|[[Evan Brooks]] (Hasbro), [[Hisashi Yuki]] (TakaraTomy)<ref>[[January 30]], [[2024]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sodl6lRkifQ Hasbro Pulse | Transformers: Legacy RID 2001 Omega Prime HasLab Fanstream | January 2024] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]] and [[Evan Brooks]].</ref>|[[Hiroyuki Taiga]] (concept artist),<ref>[https://youtu.be/PdsHMGVDZFg?si=7IIIhq2AU8jwMnSx Interview] with [[Hasbro]] designer [[Evan Brooks]] on the Triple Takeover podcast, from their YouTube channel</ref> [[Studio DTW|Dave White]] (product photography), [[Nick (Hasbro)|Nick]] and [[Tony Colella]] (sculptors),<ref name = "Missile Stream">[[March 7]], 2024's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pkz6oTI7W4 Hasbro Pulse | Transformers 40th Anniversary Fanstream | March 7, 2024] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Evan Brooks]] and [[Mark Maher]].</ref> [[Marcelo Matere]] (packaging artist)<ref>[[January 10]], [[2025]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDy2WuiQumE Transformers: Legacy Robots in Disguise 2001 Omega Prime HasLab - Official Unboxing!] with [[Emily Bader]] and [[Evan Brooks]].</ref>
}}

:Revealed on the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sodl6lRkifQ January 30, 2024, Hasbro Pulse livestream], ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' Optimus Prime—"Super Fire Convoy" (スーパーファイヤーコンボイ) in TakaraTomy markets—was released as part of a [[Hasbro Pulse#HasLab|HasLab]] exclusive box set with [[Ultra Magnus (RID)#Legacy|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Blue Bolts (RID)#Legacy|Bluebolts]] themed around their collective combined form [[Omega Prime#Legacy|Omega Prime]]. Optimus is roughly [[Size class|Commander]]-sized in Super Mode and turns into his traditional fire truck form, though updated with sculpting cues that seem to be inspired by the newer Hino/Morita Super Gyro Ladder MHII Max. He retains most of the gimmicks of the original toy—the truck cab forms the small robot, the 'trailer' can form a battle station or Super Mode, the ladder extends, etc etc. The figure also features a litany of new features, including now-removable Matrix of Leadership accessory set in a chamber modeled after the original figure's molded [[Energon Matrix]], a new version of the original's ''[[Diaclone]]'' pilot operator's chair at the base of the ladder now scaled to [[Titan Master]]s, and the end of the ladder now flips down to act as a Titan Master-compatible bucket. Last but not least he can of course combine with the included Ultra Magnus and Bluebolts to form Omega Prime.

:The project reached 50% funding in only 24 hours, beating all three previous ''Transformers'' HasLabs. It reached full funding on [[February 9]], [[2024]], in only ten days—three times quicker than the previous record holder, [[Deathsaurus (G1)#Legacy|Deathsaurus]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Exciting news! The #HasLab campaign for #Transformers: Legacy #RobotsInDisguise 2001 #OmegaPrime has achieved its goal with 10,000 backers! A massive thank you to all the incredible fans who made this possible – your support has truly brought Omega Prime to life!|link=https://twitter.com/HasbroPulse/status/1756013964993991002|site=Twitter|name=Hasbro Pulse|year=2024|month=2|day=9}}</ref> At the closing bell on [[March 14]] 2024, the set clocked in at 28,230 backers, beating the previous Transformers record by quite a fair margin (Deathsaurus again, with 27,442) and coming in second only to ''Marvel Legends'' Galactus as the most successful project in HasLab history.<ref>[https://hasbropulse.com/collections/haslab/products/transformers-legacy-robots-in-disguise-2001-omega-prime The Omega Prime HasLab campaign] at [[Hasbro Pulse]]</ref>

:Omega Prime first started shipping to backers, beginning with those living in New Zealand, in March 2025. The set turned out to have a serious [[design flaw]]: the tip of Optimus Prime's spine is too big for his upper torso to make the necessary moves around it, leaving many specimens with large vertical cracks on the abdomen either directly out of the box or after any number of attempted transformations. This can be alleviated by unscrewing the upper body and sanding down the slider edges.<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/haslab-rid-2001-omega-prime-fanstream-30th-january-2024.1258500/page-990#post-23310274 Guide for modifications]</ref>

::*''[https://www.instagram.com/p/C2vNqMmuIwP/ Designer commentary on ''Legacy'' Optimus Prime from Evan Brooks on Instagram]''

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==Merchandise==
===Transformers DX===
[[File:Rid prime kabayakit1.jpg|225px|thumb|Puny BURNING SPIRIT]]

*'''Fire Convoy''' (2000)
**''Accessories:'' Pistol
:As part of [[Kabaya]]'s ''[[Transformers DX]]'' line of [[candy toy]]s, Optimus Prime was one of three pre-assembled transforming figurines packaged with lemon candy. Capable of transforming into only the cab portion of his [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]], Prime's [[robot mode]] could also be upgraded into his Super Mode by attaching several additional armor pieces (two boots, two gauntlets, two arm-cannons, two shoulder guards, a head, a chest piece and a ladder), some of which came packaged with Prime himself, and the rest of which were split between the other two figures in the line, [[Rapid Run (RID)|Rapid Run]] and [[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]].
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===Transformers Gum===
[[File:Rid prime kabayakit2.jpg|225px|thumb|[[Scale|Out of scale]] BURNING SPIRIT]]

*'''Fire Convoy''' (2000)
**''Japanese ID number:'' 1
**''Accessories:'' Pistol
:Part of Kabaya's ''[[Transformers Gum]]'' range of candy toys this version of Prime is a diminutive non-transforming snap-together model kit packaged with a stick of gum. Split across two plastic sprues, the kit is made of metallic silver and translucent red pieces with some painted details, which must be cut off their sprues and assembled by the buyer.

*'''Super Fire Convoy''' (2000)
**''Japanese ID number:'' 2
:Prime's Super Mode also got representation in ''Transformers Gum''. Just as with his standard ''Gum'' figure, this one is likewise non-transforming, silver and translucent red, and packaged with gum.
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===Trans Kit===
[[File:Rid prime kabayakit3.jpg|225px|thumb|White Chocolate, Blueberry, and Cherry (not pictured) BURNING SPIRIT]]

*'''Super Fire Convoy''' (2000)
**''Japanese ID number:'' 1
:Another model kit of Prime was released by Kabaya as part of their ''[[Trans Kit]]'' range of candy toys. This non-transforming figure was cast entirely in one color of plastic, but was available in either grey, blue or red. It came packaged in a two-piece box with candy-coated chocolates.

*'''Fire Convoy''' (2000)
**''Japanese ID number:'' 2
**''Accessories:'' Pistol
:Like his larger self, this version of Prime was also available in grey, blue and red plastic.
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===KT Figure Collection===
[[File:AI PVC.jpg||thumb|Perverted BURNING SPIRIT]]

*'''Ai-chan''' (2004)

: This figurine was produced by [[KT Figure Collection]], and included in a set of four others. It is notable in that not only is this the only non-[[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] PVC in the entire set, but Ai-chan is portrayed bathing in a hot spring, and is thus completely nude, aside from her hat. A [[super deformed]] Super Fire Convoy is seen peeking over the side, and a miniature [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Gelshark]] bath toy is in Ai-chan's hands.

: Yes, it's creepy. And you may find her face is familiar, BECAUSE the figure is designed by [[Yuki Ohshima]], who did the [[Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)|creepiest thing]] in the [[Transformers brand|''Transformers'' brand]] ever.
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===''Robot Heroes''===
[[File:RobotHeroes-RID2001-OptimusPrimeMegatron.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|ADORABLE BURNING SPIRIT with [[Megatron (RID)|lazy madman]]]]
*'''Optimus Prime & Megatron''' (Two-pack, <s>[[2009]]</s>)
{{toydesigner|[[Bill Rawley]] (Hasbro)|[[Alex Androski]] (deco artist), [[Marcelo Matere]] (concept artist)}}

:''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]] [[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' Optimus Prime was an ''adorable little robot'' based on his "Battle mode" look, and was going to be available with [[Megatron (RID)#Robot Heroes|Megatron]].

:This didn't happen because our god is not a loving and forgiving one.

{{canceledtoy}}
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==Notes==
*According to the first ''Car Robots'' toy catalog, Optimus and his Autobots are part of a "[[Dimensional Patrol]]" that followed the Predacons from another sector of spacetime. This seems to have been only vaguely alluded to in the Japanese version of the show—Fire Convoy expressed bewilderment in [[The Ultimate Robot Warrior|the 12th episode]] for an O-Part "to exist during this time", suggesting that he and the O-Parts come from another time—but does not seem to have played a large part of the main story, to the extent that the ''Robots in Disguise'' dub was able to omit it entirely. However, the [[3H Productions|3H]] supplemental materials for the ''Universe'' series re-established the idea, presenting the "Dimensional Patrol" as a post-cartoon organization.
*The first ''Car Robots'' catalog also stated that Fire Convoy and Gigatron were once "[[:File:MangaYoungDeathyStarSaber.jpg|childhood friends]]" that became eternal rivals. We don't really have any idea how that was supposed to work.
*Fans in Japan joke that Optimus Prime is an Autobot [[Emperor of Destruction]] rather than an Autobot [[Supreme Commander]], due to his actions in the ''Car Robots'' anime.
*For this incarnation of Optimus, voice actor [[Neil Kaplan]] specifically impersonated the voice of the original [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]], [[Peter Cullen]]. ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime is one of several major Optimuses ([[Optimus Prime (Animated)|six]] [[Optimus Prime (Cyberverse)|as]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy continuity|of]] [[Optimus_Prime_(ES)|20]][[Optimus Prime (One)|25]]) whose English voice actor isn't Cullen or [[Garry Chalk]]. At conventions, Kaplan refers to himself as "the {{w|George Lazenby}} of Optimus Primes".<ref>This would presumably make [[David Kaye]] the {{w|Daniel Craig}} of Optimus Primes.</ref>
*''Cybertron'' "Multi-Pack" Optimus Prime's on-package [[bio]] seems to indicate he's ''Unicron Trilogy'' Optimus Prime. However, his (and Magnus') deco was later used in the [[Fun Publications]] ''Cybertron'' fan club magazine comic as ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime having traveled to the ''Unicron Trilogy'' universe.
*Optimus Prime's [[Super Mode]] chest resembles the chest of EnRyu from ''[[Brave (franchise)|King of Braves GaoGaiGar]]'', another Takara series. EnRyu also transforms into a fire truck with a similarly positioned "ladder cannon".
*This is the first incarnation of Optimus not to be [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|killed off]] at any point during his series. Possibly due to the fact that he is not intended to be [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]] in the original ''Car Robot'' series.
**However, the Optimus Prime in "[[Shell Game]]" was later retconned as an iteration of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime, so that darkens things a bit.
*Optimus was left out of the [[BotCon 2010]] [[Transformers Hall of Fame]] video tribute to Optimus Prime(s).
*Under the name "Super Fire Convoy", Optimus was a candidate in [[TakaraTomy]]'s [[Fan polls#Masterpiece Fan's Choice|''Masterpiece'' Fan's Choice]] poll, which asked fans to determine which Autobot/Maximal leader from the franchise's then-30 year history should receive a new toy in the prestigious ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' line. He placed fifth, with 4.9% of the vote.
*''Kre-O'' Fire Convoy wears a ''Kre-O'' [[Optimus Prime (Kre-O)|Optimus Prime]] helmet piece painted up to resemble Super Fire Convoy.
*This incarnation of Optimus later inspired the name and design of [[Fire Prime]] in the ''Animated'' storybook "[[Bots of Science]]".

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Fire Convoy''' (ファイヤーコンボイ ''Faiyā Konboi''), '''Optimus Prime''' (オプティマス・プライム ''Oputimasu Puraimu'')
*''Korean:'' '''Fire Convoy''' (파이어콘보이 ''Paieo Konboi'')
*''Russian:'' '''Optimus''' (Оптимус)

==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:Optimusprime rid.jpg|''Universe'' profile art
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==References==
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Groove (G1)

2025-04-26T14:08:13Z

Omegatron: /* Combiner Wars */

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{{disambig3|Groove}}
:''Groove is <s>a dirty hippie</s> an [[Autobot]] [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:TFU Groove.jpg|upright=1.45|thumb|Lay back and dream on a rainy day.]]
'''Groove''' is a free spirit, man. A full fuel tank and an open sky above him is all this chopper needs to mellow out and enjoy whatever good vibrations the open road brings his way. One relaxed, easy-going dude, Groove is also a bit of a loner in his soul. He doesn't make a lot of attachments to others, preferring the freedom of an empty highway, but he is always sure to be there with the love when his Protectobot teammates need his help. Groove doesn't like combat or conflict in general, and is always ready to give peace a chance.

Groove combines with his fellow Protectobots to form [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]], [[Gaia Guardian]], or [[God Guardian]], and sometimes he is part of [[Sky Reign]].

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Frank Welker]] (English), [[Osamu Saka]] (Japanese, "The Revenge of Bruticus"), [[Show Hayami]] (Japanese, "B.O.T."), [[Masashi Ebara]] (Japanese, "Ghost in the Machine"), [[Ken Yamaguchi]] (Japanese, "The Ultimate Weapon") |[[Wolfgang Mascher]] (German, "Ghost in the Machine"), [[Michael Rüth]] (German, "The Ultimate Weapon"), [[Claus Brockmeyer]] (German, ''Generation 2'' dub of "The Revenge of Bruticus"), [[Albert Augier]] (European French, "The Revenge of Bruticus"), [[Francis Lax]] (European French, "B.O.T."), [[Júlio Chaves]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}

[[File:G1 RevengeofBruticus Groove Streetwise freezer.jpg|left|upright=0.95|thumb|If you're fond of sand dunes and salty air...]]
When the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] attacked an inhabited city on [[Earth]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] called upon the Protectobots to evacuate the civilians caught in the crossfire. Later, as Earth's orbit was diverted to the [[Sun]] by the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]], [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]] and Groove commandeered a meat locker to keep the overheated humans cool. Groove was worried that the humans would freeze in there, but Streetwise assured him that given the constantly rising temperatures outside, the humans would be fine. {{storylink|The Revenge of Bruticus}}

Groove, as part of Defensor, totally blew up [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]]. Afterwards, he was with the Protectobots when they helped save some window-washers from a burning skyscraper, Groove extinguishing the flames with his liquid nitrogen. Later still, Groove and the other Protectobots were ordered to help defend [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]] from a Decepticon attack. They merged into Defensor and activated his useless force field, which almost immediately deactivated, allowing the Decepticons to blast Defensor back into his component parts. {{storylink|B.O.T. (episode)|B.O.T.}}

[[File:G1 GhostintheMachine Groove lockedloaded.jpg|upright=0.95|thumb|Let this groove / light up your fuse / it's all right, alllll right!]]
In the year [[2006]], Groove and the Protectobots were frequently active on both Earth and Cybertron. Shortly before the first Cybertronian peace conference, Groove attended a surprise birthday party for [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]]. He was therefore available to help [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] and the other Autobots fend off a Combaticon assault on the conference's shuttle bay. {{storylink|Surprise Party}} On another occasion, [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]'s eyes were stolen under unusual circumstances at [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]], and so [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] had [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] on high alert. When the Decepticon [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] began brazenly flying into their air space, Rodimus ordered Groove and [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] to man the defensive laser batteries and blow him out of the sky.

The pacifistic Groove's response? "Locked and loaded!"

After pummeling Astrotrain with laser fire, the Autobots realized the stolen eyes weren't for [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]], but [[Unicron]]. Groove joined Ultra Magnus and a squad of Autobots who traveled aboard [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] to investigate their artificial moon. Unicron awakened while they were inside him, however, and unleashed an electron storm which blasted the Autobots out into space. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine (G1)|Ghost in the Machine}} Groove next took part in the battle on [[Eurythma]]. {{storylink|Carnage in C-Minor}}

Back on Earth, the Autobots were asked to help the Dutch authorities deal with French rebels. After dispersing the human aggressors by driving at them in a scary fashion, Groove and the other Autobots defended the human civilians and covered First Aid, who was carrying the downed [[Blades (G1)|Blades]] back to [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. Later, it turned out the battle was only a diversion to allow [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] to steal Metroplex's [[transformation cog]]. First Aid left the Autobots when he failed to stop the theft. Unfortunately, just as First Aid left, the Autobots were called upon to deal with a rampaging [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]. Hot Spot ordered the remaining Protectobots to combine into Defensor without First Aid, and they still successfully saved a train full of civilians. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}}

Later in 2006, the Protectobots arrived at the aftermath of the battle between the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]] and [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]] at [[Mark Morgan]]'s laboratory. They transported the injured [[Jessica Morgan]] to County General Hospital and watched over her as the doctors restored her ability to walk with an exo-skeletal structure, enraging the robo-phobic senior Morgan and prompting him to release the [[Hate Plague]]. Groove joined the rest of the Protectobots in attempting to retrieve Optimus Prime's body from Morgan's lab, but they ultimately contracted the Hate Plague after battling an infected [[Superion (G1)|Superion]]. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}} Groove followed Ultra Magnus in ambushing Galvatron during an invasion of Cybertron, but he and the rest of the Protectobots were defeated by the newly-arrived Decepticon [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmasters]]. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}

For [[Tommy Kennedy]]'s birthday, Groove, among other Autobots, presented to the human boy a cake. {{Storylink|Surprise Party#Season 5|Season 5: Surprise Party}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' story pages=====
{{charstubfiction}}

=====Scramble City=====
Groove and the Protectobots participated in the Scramble City project under Ultra Magnus's direction, working towards the construction of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. After the Decepticons uncovered their secret building site, the Protectobots rode into battle alongside the newly completed Metroplex. Groove and his comrades arrived and formed Defensor just in time to act as the harbinger of Metroplex and his really big gun. {{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
{{voiceactor|[[Masato Hirano]] (Japanese)}}
In [[2011]], Galvatron attacked Cybertron looking to take control of [[Vector Sigma]]. Groove and the Protectobots were active in Cybertron's defense as Defensor during the assault. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} Later, Groove's team assembled on Earth at Ultra Magnus's command. Their mission was to stop the Decepticons from interfering with [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] and the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]], who were searching for the hidden location of the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. On a security sweep, the Protectobots ran across their old nemeses, the Combaticons, and went into battle. The two teams quickly assumed their combined forms as Bruticus and Defensor, as the fighting escalated. {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}

[[File:Hm9 Protectobot Charge.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]
When Galvatron made another strike on Cybertron, this time to steal the super-metal [[Cybertonuron]], Groove and the Protectobots assembled before the [[space bridge]] on Earth to be transported into battle. Seeking out the Combaticons on the battlefield, the Protectobots soon formed Defensor and fought once more with Bruticus. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}} Defensor and Bruticus's battle continued as Defensor delivered a devastating smash to Bruticus's back. For at least part of the battle, the two teams disassembled again for man-to-man combat, {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 2}}

Groove and the Protectobots were dispatched to [[Peru]] with the [[Trainbot]]s when a volcano erupted, leaving a mountainside village in dire peril. Their rescue mission was blocked by the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]]. [[Shouki]] and the Trainbots occupied the fiends so that the Protectobots could proceed on to the village and protect the innocent lives. Nevertheless, the Protectobots failed to reach the village, as they were intercepted by the Decepticons' second wave, the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]]s. Groove and the Protectobots briefly struggled with the Headmasters before forming Defensor, but that left them grouped together and vulnerable to an underhanded attack. Defensor was taken out of action by [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]]'s paralysis ray, which was strong enough to force Groove and the Protectobots apart and leave them completely immobilized. {{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}}

Groove and the Protectobots were part of a strike team that flew to the [[Moon (moon)|moon]] to disrupt Scorponok's gathering of Decepticons. They immediately formed Defensor upon entering the battle. {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}} When the planet [[Sandra (planet)|Sandra]] sent out a distress call asking for energy, the Autobots of Earth responded. While they were loading the Trainbots full of supplies, however, Galvatron and the Decepticons arrived to take the energy for themselves. Groove and the Protectobots fought back against the enemy, and formed Defensor to counter Devastator on the battlefield. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}}

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After the death of Ultra Magnus, the Autobots were desperately trying to pick up the slack during Sixshot's campaign of destruction around the globe. Groove and the Protectobots assembled as Defensor to go out and confront Sixshot at one of the attack sites, but they apparently didn't fare too well. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}} When the Decepticons seemingly abandoned Earth, Groove and the Protectobots assisted Spike in rebuilding the planet after the enemy's departure. On one occasion, they located Sixshot's old command base. By combining into Defensor, the Protectobots helped Raiden and Computron obliterate the base, wiping out all trace of the Decepticons' presence. {{storylink|Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 1)}}

Following a lengthy period of inactivity, the Decepticons renewed their attacks on Earth. With Fortress still off in space, Spike Witwicky dispatched Groove and the Protectobots to attend to the threats. In Canberra, [[Australia]], the Protectobots confronted Bruticus at one of Scorponok's new Death Towers. As Defensor, the Protectobots were beaten severely by Bruticus. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 1)}} As part of Defensor, Groove participated in the Autobots final battle with Scorponok's Decepticons at the North Pole. He lent his energies to the Headmasters' [[Head Formation]] to revitalize Fortress Maximus at the critical moment. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}

=====''Unite Warriors''=====
Groove and the other Protectobots played a game of baseball in celebration of First Aid's friend [[NUL-A]]'s birthday. {{storylink|Today Is First Aid's Close Friend NUL-A's Birthday!}}

====''TV Magazine'' comic continuity====
=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic=====
Groove and his fellow Protectobots joined forces with the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbot]]s when the Decepticon combiners attacked a baseball stadium. Hot Spot was damaged in battle, leaving the Protectobots unable to remain combined as Defensor. [[Kenji]], the Autobots' human friend, devised a plan to shoot out the leg components of the Decepticon super warriors. Groove transformed into motorcycle mode and drove Kenji through a flying jump, letting the boy get close enough to [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] to yell out his plan. After Superion zapped out the Decepticons' legs, Groove and his fellow Protectobots slipped on in their place, forcing [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] to move according to the Autobots' commands. The poor Decepticons were last seen being led out to sea by their own disobedient legs. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 5|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #5}}

=====''The Great Transformer War''=====
When [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] kidnapped Doctor [[Dalton]], the famous scientist, the Protectobots and Aerialbots sped off to rescue the doctor from [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]. Working with [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] and [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]], however, Trypticon's Scramble City launcher power allowed the Decepticons to disable Superion before he got close enough to attack. With the Aerialbots seriously injured, the Protectobots had to formulate a new plan. Hot Spot quickly got to work in repair bay mode bringing the Aerialbots back to full status. While [[Blades (G1)|Blades]] snuck into Trypticon alone to rescue the doctor, Groove, First Aid and Streetwise had the unenviable task of defending Hot Spot against both Bruticus and Menasor until he could finish his repair work. Although they took a serious pounding, Groove and his valiant comrades held the line long enough for the Aerialbots to recover and Blades to save Dalton. The Protectobots and Aerialbots left Trypticon victorious, and escorted the thankful doctor back to Metroplex, where he began work on the new [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]]. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 1|The Great Transformer War #1}}

====Ask Vector Prime====
The Protectobots once lived on the colony world of [[Archon]], but as the colony slowly began to fail they succumbed to [[stasis lock]]. They remained that way until [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] chanced across the ruins of the planet and brought them back to Earth. The only way to revive them was through an [[energon]] infusion; the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbot]]s volunteered for the process. The Protectobots made a complete recovery and then some: the transfusion had given them the ability to combine! Optimus Prime gave them [[Protectobots' headquarters|their own headquarters]] in [[Central City (Earth)|Central City]], hoping that city life would help them acclimatize to life on Earth while also providing the metropolis with an extra degree of protection. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/21}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics====
{{noteukonly}}
[[File:SecondGeneration protectobots.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2|Get up on your feet]]
''Groove's coming, along with that of the other Protectobots, was foretold in a [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]-induced vision of the future shared between [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]]. In this prophetic vision, Groove and the other Protectobots battled the Stunticons and the Combaticons to defend the [[Pullen Power Plant]] from the evil robots. Throughout the clash, each team combined into their gestalt forms, and Superion aided Defensor in his mission. Streetwise and the other Protectobots were then created on Earth by [[Wheeljack (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Wheeljack]] and the Autobots after they stole a recording of [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]'s combiner transformation sequence and modified it.'' {{storylink|The Special Teams Have Arrived}} {{storylink|Second Generation!}}

[[File:Groove-savemyself.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Down a crowded avenue.]]
After being brought on-line by Optimus Prime, Groove and his team went on a mission to intercept the Decepticons before they could steal the [[hydrothermocline]] from a [[Energy Futures Industries]]. Both sides ended up agreeing to do battle in a virtual landscape maintained by the powerful computer system at the plant, so that the Decepticons wouldn't damage their prize and the Autobots could insure the safety of innocent lives. The lives of both faction leaders were wagered on the outcome of the game. Patrolling the computer-generated area of [[Multi-World]] known as the Cloud-Steppes, Groove and [[Blades (G1)|Blades]] were attacked by Combaticons [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] and [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]]. When the Decepticon fliers severed the floating roadway Groove was driving on, he shouted at Blades to let him save himself and instead catch the Cloud-Steppers who fell with him. In gratitude, the humanoids unleashed a cloud cover which distracted the Combaticons long enough for Groove to blast them with his photon pistol. Ultimately, Optimus Prime declared himself the loser of the game, and so Groove and the other Protectobots watched their leader detonate before their eyes. {{storylink|Afterdeath!}} ''These events were observed by the [[time travel]]ling [[Dicet Alpha-zero]].'' {{storylink|The Quest!}}

Groove was one of the several Autobots who watched on as [[Ratchet (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ratchet]] futilely tried to repair Optimus Prime's body. Once the Autobot leader was declared irreparable, the Autobots held a funeral service for their leader, and launched his remains into space. {{storylink|Funeral for a Friend!}}

[[File:MarvelUS32 blaster arrested.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Step to the beat]]
After [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Goldbug]] abandoned the Autobots due to their disagreements with [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]]'s leadership, Grimlock tasked the Protectobots with finding the deserters and returning them to the Ark. Groove and the others found them (and the [[Throttlebot]]s) hiding at [[Big Steve's Used Cars]], where the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]]s had already arrived. As the two teams battled each other, individually Groove squared off with [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]], and both sides were so blinded by their battle that they didn't notice [[Rapid Anti-robot Assault Team|RAAT]] making away with Goldbug and the Throttlebots. With the Combaticons deterred, however, the Protectobots still had Blaster to bring back to Grimlock... for trial and execution. {{storylink|Used Autobots}} Blaster was fitted with a [[mode lock]] and clamped to Groove's motorcycle mode, who in turn rode within First Aid to make sure their captive wouldn't escape. Upon driving through a train yard however, the team ran afoul of the Combaticons yet again. Before the battle was underway, Groove sped off, stash Blaster within a drainage pipe, and then rejoined his comrades. In short order, the Combaticons merged into Bruticus, forcing the Protectobots to themselves combine to match his strength. The battle nonetheless went badly for Defensor, and he was knocked down after being batted with an entire freight train. But Blaster, who had gotten his mode lock removed by some errant children, in turn defeated Bruticus by collapsing an electrical tower atop of the behemoth. In thanks, the Protectobots allowed their prisoner to "escape" them alongside his new friends. {{storylink|Child's Play (issue)|Child's Play}}

''Following Optimus Prime's return to life, Groove and the Protectobots were assigned to guard the backup copy of the [[floppy disk]] that had enabled his resurrection, stored at an [[Alternate Reality, Inc.]] warehouse. Alerted to Combaticon activity at [[Rutter U.S. Military Base]], the team was relieved by the Autobot [[Powermaster]]s so they could go and deal with their old rivals. Unfortunately, they were too late to stop the Combaticons' theft of military technology; worse yet, upon their return to the warehouse, they discovered that the Decepticon Powermasters had stolen the disk in their absence. Combining into Defensor, they tried to stop the villains from escaping, but a barrage of fire from the underhanded Combaticons knocked the giant over.'' {{storylink|Prime Bomb!}}

====Transformers Comic-Magazin====
In defense of the Earth's energy resources, Groove and the Protectobots formed Defensor and battled Menasor. {{storylink|Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 11|Transformers in Action: He Who Laughs Last ...}}

====Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic====
[[File:Groove-g2vehicle.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|And my soul's been psychedelicized.]]
Groove returned to working with the Autobots after Prime and [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] uncovered the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian army]] and their threat to the universe. He participated in Grimlock's ill-fated sabotage attempt on the [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Liege Centuro]]'s warships, which ended in the raiding party being captured by enemy forces. Fortunately, Optimus and a contingency of Autobots were quick to catch up with Grimlock's group, and liberated Groove and the others. {{storylink|Devices and Desires! (Marvel)|Devices and Desires!}} Later, he joined the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] in a training exercise against [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Hot Rod]] and the Dinobots. {{storylink|The Power and the Glory}}
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====''Regeneration One''====
{{NoteRG1}}
[[File:Lancer one crew war to end all wars.jpg|thumb|It was so, you know, groovy to come back here this way.]]
Around twenty years after supposed end of the [[Great War (G1)|war]], Groove found himself on the front lines defending Cybertron from [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s [[Blitz Engine]]s alongside [[Rollbar (G1)|Rollbar]], [[Guzzle (G1)|Guzzle]] and [[Jackpot (G1)|Jackpot]]. {{storylink|Destiny, Part Five}} Later, Groove formed part of the crew of ''[[Lancer One]]'' alongside [[Blades (G1)|Blades]], [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]], [[Scattershot (G1)|Scattershot]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Wheeljack]] as part of [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]]'s attack on [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] and his forces at the [[Hub (G2)|Hub Network]]. Although they successfully completed their mission, Jhiaxus had anticipated the Autobots' strategy and his retaliation forced Rodimus Prime to declare an Autobot surrender. {{storylink|The War to End All Wars, Part 3}}
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===The Special Teams===
Groove and the rest of the Protectobots were posted at the [[Pullen Power Plant]] to defend it while its human workers had been evacuated due to the possibility of a landslide in the area. Blades soon spotted the Stunticons heading towards their position. Racing to meet their incoming foes, Groove was surprised to witness these newcomers combine into Menasor.To combat this new threat, the Protectobots merged once more into Defensor. The Decepticons soon found himself losing the battle and dispersed, though the storm around them had gotten too bad for the Autobots to give chase. {{storylink|The Special Teams}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:Groove-darkages-robot.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|War Within! Yeah! What is it good for? Absolutely nothin'!]]
After the signing of the [[Crisis Intervention Accord]], many of the special teams went into hiding or broke up to continue fighting on different factions. Groove, despite his freewheeling ways, stuck with his team during the [[Dark Ages]] and acted as go-between bot for [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] and [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]], taking pride in his great speed. Though officially neutral, Groove and his team deployed to counter the threat of [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] in the [[Tagan Heights]]. {{storylink|Escalation}} When Defensor began prioritizing Devastator's destruction over preventing collateral damage, Wreckers leader Springer had to talk the Protectobots into separating, after which they were able to use their individual smarts to bring the Constructicon combiner down: while First Aid and Hot Spot plugged an electrical cable into Devastator's leg, Groove brought the other end to Streetwise so he could plug it into Tagan Heights' power grid, overloading Devastator with electricity and shutting him down. {{storylink|Devastation (issue)|Devastation}}

Later, the [[Chaos Trinity]] invaded the Protectobots' base to abduct Hot Spot. During this attack, Groove pleaded with Hot Spot to give the order to form Defensor once more. But Hot Spot hesitated, allowing [[The Fallen]]'s acolytes to defeat each Protectobot individually and make off with their target. To his credit, Groove was the last Protectobot to be defeated by the intruders. {{storylink|Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation}}

In modern times, Groove and the Protectobots were damaged while battling Menasor as Defensor and had to be rescued by Ultra Magnus and the Wreckers. {{storylink|Passive Aggression}} Defensor later joined the united Autobot forces in overthrowing Shockwave's control of Cybertron. {{storylink|Revelation (War and Peace)|Revelation}} In the aftermath, Groove and the Protectobots processed the forensics at one of Shockwave's labs, where a mysterious energy discharge had disabled the Battlechargers and shot out into the sky. {{storylink|Black Sunshine}}

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===2005 IDW continuity===
{{first|[[The Iron Age|''Ironhide'' #1]]; [[Police Action Part 2: Only Forward|''The Transformers'' vol. 1 #27]] (modern era)}}

[[File:TheIronAge Autobots vs Decepticons.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Groove don't need this fascist thing.]]
Four million years ago, Groove was a soldier in the Autobot army working under [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]]. He, [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]], and [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] held the line to prevent the Decepticon advancement in one of Cybertron's major cities. At the celebration that followed the Autobots' victory, he was seen chatting with [[Gizmo]] and [[Download]]. {{storylink|The Iron Age}}

In the modern day, Groove was among [[Bumblebee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Bumblebee]]'s team of Autobots on Earth. He worked under Bumblebee to locate the Decepticons remaining on the planet until Prowl butted in and recruited him into the investigation on [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Spike Witwicky]]. {{storylink|The Question}} As part of this task, he and [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]] brought former [[Skywatch]] agent [[Sandra (G1)|Sandra]] to their headquarters for interrogation. {{storylink|Police Action Part 2: Only Forward|Only Forward}}

Groove was of the 'bots who [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] refused a place on the ''[[Lost Light]]'' during the "Crewditions" (Which later turned out to be fake). Six months later, Groove had joined the ship's crew, and was outside [[Rung (G1)|Rung]]'s office when the psychiatrist was interviewing [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]]. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} During some downtime, Groove and Streetwise indulged in a bout of wrestling at [[Swerve's]] but when an inebriated [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailcutter]] set off a silent alarm breaking into the medibay they were called into action as part of a security team alongside Megatron, [[Aquafend]], and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]]. Ascertaining that there was no immediate threat, Megatron dismissed the rest of the team to deal with Trailcutter himself. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}}

[[File:MistakesAndMayhem-Protectobotssortof.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|Hey, you guys, combine into a larger guy, but not in a way that looks like Groove is involved!]]
Groove was in [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]]'s bar when the ''Lost Light'' began paradoxing itself out of existence piece by piece. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}} Some time after the ''Lost Light'' was restored, he danced like a madman on the floor of [[Thunder Clash#2005 IDW continuity|Thunderclash]]'s pre-wake. {{storylink|The Sensuous Frame}} Later, Groove and four other crewmembers were chosen to escort [[Mirage (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Mirage]] back to Cybertron after he started seeing apocalyptic visions. Streetwise joked that the five of them were "Protectobots". {{storylink|The Possible Light}} Once they arrived, Mirage led them hurriedly to Optimus Prime to tell them about his vision, when suddenly Prowl's [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] attacked, who was hoping to destroy the [[space bridge]] to Cybertronian colonies. [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] countered him, but [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]] feared the Autobot combiner wouldn't be enough, so he used the [[Enigma of Combination]] to create another. Groove, the other four "Protectobots," and [[Rook (CW)|Rook]], who had wandered into the group, were all combined into the mighty [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]]. {{storylink|Mistakes and Mayhem}}

Groove and the Protectobots chose to leave Cybertron and return to the ''Lost Light''. It took several months, but they finally caught up with the ''Lost Light'' on its quest for Cyberutopia. Much had changed. [[Getaway]] was now captain of the ship, and held strict rules about socializing and helping other races on their journey full-pace towards Cyberutopia. Asking around, the Protectobots learned most of the senior staff, including co-captains Rodimus and Megatron, had apparently abandoned the ''Light'' in order to make faster progress on their own. In fact, the regretful [[Riptide (G1)|Riptide]] informed them Getaway had led a mutiny against the captains, abandoning them on [[Necroworld]] to the [[Galactic Council]] and [[Decepticon Justice Division]], then used mnemosurgery to reprogram the crew into believing otherwise. Groove and the others attempted to flee before Getaway did the same to them, but were captured by the security team and placed in an infinite memory loop by [[Sunder (G1)|Sunder]]. {{storylink|The Plotters' Club (Part 1): Full Circle|Full Circle}}

[[File:JourneysEnd ProtectobotsDown.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.0]]
Riptide managed to survive Getaway's attempt to dispose of him, hiding away in the ship until he could rescue the Protectobots. Rook had been killed by Getaway and [[Atomizer]] while they slept, so First Aid suggested they un-entomb [[Ambulon]]'s corpse as a replacement leg for Defensor. At the shuttle bay, Defensor and Thunderclash tried to fight their way through the security team, but Getaway had hired [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] as the new head of security. He blasted Thunderclash and broke apart the unstable combiner with a single swipe of his blade. Hot Spot, Blades, Groove, and Streetwise were dazed enough for Getaway and the others to bring them down with a hail of gunfire. Only First Aid, Riptide, and the seriously injured Thunderclash managed to escape the ship. {{storylink|The Plotters' Club (Part 3): Journey's End|Journey's End}}

Apparently their injuries weren't as bad as they seemed, as all five Protectobots were perfectly fine as they attended Ultra Magnus' parting toast as the ''Lost Light'' completed its victory lap. {{storylink|How To Say Goodbye And Mean It: Part 2}}

===''Kre-O'' online manga===
Groove was standing next to [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] when the medic was treating the injured [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]]. {{storylink|Bad at Fighting? Rescue Team Protectobots, Dispatch!}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
Groove was presumably present as part of Defensor during the Battle for [[Sherman Dam]] in [[Primax 096.0 Beta]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/06}}

===Precursor World===
[[Primus Vanguard|Warriors of the Seven Lights]] resembling multiple incarnations of Groove were members of the [[White Order]].

One supported his commander [[White Gallant Convoy]] in battle when the [[G1 World|dimension-hopping]] pirate [[Halfshell]] attacked the [[White Planet]] looking to plunder the Order's holy [[Matrix Saber]]. {{storylink|God Neptune comic 1}}

Another ventured forth to confront [[Seacon (BW)|Halfshell's crew]] and retrieve the Saber as the right arm of the mighty '''[[White Gallant Convoy|White Convoy Grand Prime]]!''' What happened to him after the combiner was bisected by [[God Neptune]] is unknown. {{storylink|God Neptune comic 2}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
{{first|[[Rise of the Decepticons: We Have Deceived You|''Transformers'' #23]]}}

[[File:WeHaveDecievedYou-Flareup.jpg|thumb|upright=0.9|]]
Groove was a member of the [[Senate Guard]], serving under [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] to protect the pavilion and the senators within. Tensions were high when First Senator [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] convened the Senate without the [[Decepticon|Ascenticon]] party. When Megatron and the Ascenticon senators arrived to answer the charges leveled against them, Ironhide sent Groove and [[Flareup (G1)|Flareup]] in with Autobot Senator Orion Pax for added security. As Megatron's rhetoric at the podium became increasingly radicalized, Pax sent Groove to check the corridors. As a result, he missed the EMP assault triggered by Ion Storm and the Rainmakers when Megatron seized the Senate as hostages and declared his new Decepticons the rulers of Cybertron. More Decepticons flooded the halls, and Groove was driven out of the Senate along with Ironhide and several other guards. {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons: We Have Deceived You|We Have Deceived You}}

In time, Ironhide orchestrated a raid on the Senate's holding cells with Groove and the other free members of the Guard. They released the rest of the Guard as well as Orion Pax and Sentinel Prime. The Senators were taken to safety, but Groove and several of the Guard remained behind to free the remaining Senators. However, they were opposed by a new rendition of [[Strika's Heavies]], and Roulette was killed in the first strike. They were forced to flee without rescuing any further prisoners. {{storylink|War World: Prime|Prime}} Sentinel Prime died in the escape, leading Orion Pax to claim the Matrix and become Optimus Prime. Ironhide retasked Groove and the Guard to defend the Prime. Groove was on duty when Optimus went to speak with Perceptor at the [[Forge Pyramid]]. {{storylink|War World: Titans|Titans}} Iacon had fallen, and so Groove and those loyal to Optimus Prime abandoned the city to the Decepticons. {{storylink|War World: We Are Not Meant To Be Darkness|We Are Not Meant To Be Darkness}}

Groove and the renamed "Prime Guard" deployed with their leader to the [[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]], where [[Termagax]] had possession of the [[Enigma of Combination]]. They set up defensive positions around Termagax's house as the Decepticons arrived for the Enigma as well. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Sea of Rust II|Sea of Rust II}} The Enigma was lost to the Sea, but the Autobots escaped without any fatalities. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Enigmatic|Enigmatic}}

[[File:DarknessOnceGazedUponPart1 GrooveProtectsOptimus.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|Way to guard Prime, Prime Guard.]]
Groove and the Prime Guard accompanied Optimus on a pilgrimage to commune with his [[immersant]] mentor, [[Codexa]]. They were ambushed by members of the [[Rise]], who sought to capture the Prime. [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] helped the Guard regain the initiative, and Groove and the others got Optimus to safety, though Magnus was captured. {{storylink|Darkness, Once Gazed Upon: Part One}}

Crystal City came under siege after this, and Groove and the Prime Guard prepared to defend it. They eventually retreated back to a single bunker with those who had chosen to fight, before the Titan [[Lodestar (Titan)|Lodestar]] returned. {{storylink|A Dust of Crystals}} After the siege ended in a truce, Groove and the Prime Guard were part of a procession heading to [[Darkmount (Cybertron)|Darkmount]]. {{storylink|Radical Time}} In the final battle at Darkmount, the Autobots were joined by a new Combiner, [[Computron (G1)|Computron]]. When [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] shattered the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobot]]s' combined form, Flareup and Groove rushed to aid the team leader, [[Scattershot (G1)|Scattershot]]. Containing an artificial [[Enigma of Combination]] in his spark, Scattershot needed volunteers to supplement Computron's power. The Prime Guard was ready to serve, and Javelin, Backstreet, and Pipes joined the first two in helping Scattershot forge an even more powerful Computron. They held the line against Devastator and the Decepticons, allowing Optimus Prime and the other Autobots to escape aboard the ''Ark''. When Computron was finally brought down by the united Decepticon army, the Prime Guard and Technobots became Megatron's prisoners. {{storylink|Transformers: Fate of Cybertron|Fate of Cybertron}}

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==Commercial appearances==
*Groove and the rest of the Protectobots rushed the Decepticon fortress [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]], undaunted by its enormous size. When Trypticon assumed its battle station mode, the Protectobots merged into [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] to better fight back. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Defensor and Trypticon|Defensor and Trypticon commercial}}
*After the Protectobots received a message from Optimus Prime alerting them that [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] was wreaking havoc in a human city, Groove and the rest of the team combined into Defensor to better combat the Decepticon. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#2015|Transformers Generations: Combiner Wars commercials}}

==Games==
===''Transformers Legends''===
During a Decepticon attack on a major human city, [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]], and the Protectobots launched rescue operations. Unfortunately their efforts were hampered by [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], who unleashed all manner of sonic attacks on them. {{storylink|To the Rescue}}

Groove, alongside [[Blades (G1)|Blades]], [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]], and [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]], responded to an emergency call that was in actuality a trap set by the Decepticons [[Skullcruncher (G1)|Skullcruncher]] and [[Snapdragon (G1)|Snapdragon]]. Despite the duo's schemes, the Autobots were able to send the Decepticons packing. {{storylink|False Alarm}}

===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
[[File:BattleTacticsGroove.jpg|thumb|right|300px|If you choose the wrong Groove, you may just lose!]]
Groove participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of him! He was a Rare character who could be recruited by collecting 160 units of Cybermetal, and 95 units of Transmetal. {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}
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===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
Groove was a friendly member of the Protectobots. {{storylink|The Enigma of Combination}}

==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
[[File:G1-toy Groove.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
*'''Groove''' (Protectobot, [[1986]]/[[1987]])
**''Team ID number:'' '''P2'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-74'''
**''Accessories:'' [[photon pistol]], left and right twin [[vaporator]]s
:''[[The Transformers (toyline)|The Transformers]]'' Groove transforms into a Honda Goldwing GL1200 police motorcycle. He comes with two vaporators, which are pegged onto posts at the rear of the bike mode. He also comes with a photon pistol which he can hold, only sideways. As a ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#1986 (Scramble City and 2010)|Scramble City]]''-style combiner member, he can form any of [[Defensor (G1)#Generation 1|Defensor]]'s limbs, though he nominally forms Defensor's right leg. Unusual for a G1 combiner limb figure, Groove's vehicle-mode weapons did not need to be removed when he was transformed into robot mode.

:The initial release of Groove has a [[die-cast]] metal chest painted gold. Where the other Protectobots replaced metal parts with plastic later on, Groove instead kept the metal, but the paint was changed to silver. In 1987, he came packaged with a random Autobot [[Decoy]].

:This mold was also used to make ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#1992 (Operation Combination)|Operation Combination]]'' [[Sparkride (G1)|Sparkride]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Groove/groove.htm More information on Groove at TFU.info]''

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[[File:G1toy defensor giftset.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Defensor''' (giftset, 1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-76'''
**''Accessories:'' photon pistol, left and right twin vaporators
:All five Protectobots were made available in many markets as a complete [[giftset]] as well as on individual cards/boxes. It is unknown which versions of the toys are in the multipack, metal parts or plastic.

:In [[1988]], [[GiG]] also re-released the Defensor set in [[Italy]], with five random "Exogini Transformers" ([[Decoy]]s) added.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Defensor/defensor.htm More information on Defensor at TFU.info]''

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*'''Groove''' ([[1991]])
**''Accessories'': photon pistol, left and right twin vaporators
:Groove and the other Protectobots were re-released in 1991 as part of the [[Europe]]an-market ''[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]'' line. This version uses the silver chest, and his [[rubsign]] indent has been filled in.

===''Generation 2''===
[[File:G2-Groove.jpg|thumb|I'm [[Playskool|day-glo playskool]] and yet cost more than your house. Chew on that.]]
*'''Groove''' (Unreleased)
**''Team ID number:'' '''P3'''
**''Accessories'': photon pistol, left and right twin vaporators
:A bright orange and aqua-blue [[redeco]] of Groove's Generation 1 toy was planned, but was canceled after a only a few packaged production samples were made. As such, the existing samples go for a ''lot'' of money on the secondary market.

::*''[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/gallery/g2/groove/850/1/ Image gallery of ''Generation 2'' Groove at Seibertron.com]''
{{canceledtoy}}
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===''Bot Shots''===
[[File:BotShots Groove.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Sure, there weren't exactly any ''Bot Shots'' motorcycle molds to pick from, but ''jeez!'' Guy's supposed to be a pacifist!]]
*'''Protectobots''' (Multi-pack, 2013?)
**''Number'': '''T0??'''
{{toydesigner|[[Andrew Scribner]] (deco artist)}}
***''Fist strength'': '''775'''
***''Blaster strength'':
***''Sword strength'':
:A redeco of ''[[Bot Shots (toyline)|Bot Shots]]'' [[Brawl (Movie)#Bot Shots|Decepticon Brawl]], "Protectobot Groove" automatically transforms from battle tank(!) to robot when a sharp impact is applied to his front end. A ''rescue'' battle tank, presumably. He was to be sold in a five-pack with [[Hot Spot (G1)#Bot Shots|Protectobot Hot Spot]], [[Blades (G1)#Bot Shots|Protectobot Blades]], [[First Aid (G1)#Bot Shots|Protectobot First Aid]] and [[Streetwise (G1)#Bot Shots|Protectobot Streetsmart]], but this never saw release.

:This mold was also used to make [[Blitzwing (G1)/toys#Bot Shots|Super Bot Blitzwing]].

{{canceledtoy}}
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===''Kre-O''===
[[File:Kre-O-Toy Groove.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Hey dude, check out my ride".]]
*'''Autobot Groove''' (Kreon Micro-Changer, [[2013]])
**''Collection'': '''2'''
**''Bag number'': '''***** 77'''
**''Accessories'': Logo brick, small pistol
{{toydesigner|[[Ed Masiello]] (Hasbro)}}

:As part of the second wave of [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] [[Micro-Changer]]s, Groove is a [[Kreon]] that can be rebuilt into a motorcycle. He reuses [[Starscream (Kre-O)|Starscream]]'s helmet and [[Bumblebee (Kre-O)|Bumblebee]]'s pistol.

: This Collection was still in circulation at "dollar" stores and drug stores up through 2015. They eventually lost the individual-identifying bag codes, but other changes were hidden inside the bag. The 2015 releases replaced the 2x4 logo stand-brick with a new 3x4 logo plate. The Kreon was also given the slight [[retool]]ing to the arm seen in the 2014 Kreons, making the "cuff" parts more sharp-cornered and better adapted to being used as studs. Some of the add-on pieces may also be slightly off-color, possibly due to a change in factories in mid-production.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/Kre-OGroove/groove.htm More information on Micro Changer Groove at TFU.info]''

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* '''Protectobot Groove''' (Kreon Micro-Changer, [[2016]])
**''Collection'': '''2'''
**''Accessories'': Logo plate, small pistol
:In 2016, Collection 2 was re-released in a whole new production run for Dollar General stores in the US as part of a large collection of re-released ''Kre-O'' sets. But where most of these releases are nigh-identical to the originals, the re-released Micro-Changer blind-bags use the almost-entirely-retooled 2015 Kreon, with slightly-differently-hued plastics than the originals. (It is possible for some of the add-on pieces to be in the older hues.) Groove got a slight [[tampograph]] tweak, replacing the flat light gray paint with shiny silver.

:Sadly, this release has no individual-identification code on the bag, requiring you to use the feel-through-the-bag method or just buy blind and hope.
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===''Transformers'' (2014)===
{{anchor|TF2014Protectobots}}
[[File:Transformers-2014-Protectobots-Emergency-Response-Groove.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Groove's Rule 63 incarnation.]]
*'''Protectobots Emergency Response''' (three-pack, [[2014]])
:''[[Transformers (2014 toyline)|Transformers]]'' "Protectobot Groove" (named so for [[trademark]] reasons) is a redeco of ''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Transformers: Prime]] [[Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]]'' Legion Class [[Arcee (WFC)#Cyberverse|Arcee]], sporting two blue blasters (whereas Arcee had just included one). The toy's color scheme ''might'' be based on ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Groove (Universe)|Groove]].

:Groove is only available in three-pack with [[Streetwise (G1)#Transformers (2014)|Protectobot Streetsmart]] and [[First Aid (G1)#Transformers (2014)|Protectobot First Aid]], which was released as a [[Toys"R"Us]] exclusive in Hasbro's Asian markets, while in the United States, it was officially an [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]] exclusive that was later also stocked by other online retailers such as [[BigBadToyStore]] for a hefty markup.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/AKDGroove/groove.htm More information on ''Protectobots'' Groove at TFU.info]''
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===''Combiner Wars''===
[[File:CombinerWarsGroove.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|59th Chest Plate Bot (Feelin' Groovy)]]
*'''Protectobot Groove''' (Legends Class, [[2015]])
{{toydesigner|[[John Warden]] (Hasbro), [[Yūya Ōnishi]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:Part of the third wave of ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Legends class figures, Groove is a modernized version of the character, transforming into a motorcycle. As [[Rook (CW)|Rook]] has taken his place as a limb of Defensor, the now-much-more-to-semi-proper-[[scale]] Groove forms Defensor's chestplate. The instructions have you assemble the chestplate mode upside-down (to match the stock photography), but the proper assembly is to attach Groove to Defensor with the wheels facing upwards, connecting a small peg on Defensor's chest into a peghole behind Groove's pelvis and the pegs on Groove's arms to pegholes in Defensor's chest. There is no mention of what purpose the mysterious peg and port on either of his shins serve anywhere.

:Legends Groove also comes with a collector card based on his packaging art.

:This mold was retooled into [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Generations|Wreck-Gar]], and redecoed into [[Rust Dust#Generations|Rust Dust]] and [[Override (RID)|Override]]. It also served as the basis of the non-toy ''Beast Wars: Uprising'' character [[Vampire (BWU)|Vampire]] and the ''[[Spatiotemporal Challengers]]'' incarnation of [[Scooter (GoBots)|Scooter]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Autobot/CWLegGroove/groove.htm More information on Legends ''Combiner Wars'' Groove at TFU.info]''

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[[File:TF-Combiner-Wars-Protectobot-Groove.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Defensor's New Groove.]]
*'''Protectobot Groove''' (Deluxe Class, 2016)
**'''4 OF 5: [[Sky Reign]]'''
**''Accessories'': rifle, foot/hand/gun
:The Hasbro release of the ''Unite Warriors'' Groove mold (see below) is nigh indistinguishable from the original release with the exception of two subtle tells: the figure gains small [[copyright]] and {{w|CE marking}} [[tampograph]]s on the back of its feet for legal reasons, and the simple knee pins are replaced with flatheads visible on the inside of the legs.

:The figure saw different methods of distribution in different markets, as is common for "special" products: In Taiwan, Groove was initially released as a promotional item [[exclusive]] to [[Toys"R"Us]] Taiwan, if the customer purchased 1799 Taiwan Dollars (approximately US$55) worth of Transformers products in a single transaction. The promotion ran from [[March 25]]th till [[May 2]]nd. After the promotion had ended, the figure was made available as a general retail release in Taiwan, including (again) Toys"R"Us. Meanwhile, in North America, Hasbro made him available as a "shared exclusive" between various online retailers as part of 2016's "May Mayhem" promotion like [[Slingshot (G1)/toys#Generations|Quickslinger]] and [[Wildrider (G1)#Generations|Brake-Neck]] a year earlier, though initially only with limited availability. Later that year, another production run was made more widely available, adding more venues in the process such as [[Hasbro Toy Shop]].

:His packaging claims he is part of [[Sky Reign#Toys|Sky Reign]], replacing [[Smokescreen (G1)/toys#Generations|Smokescreen]] as a leg. He can also combine with his Protectobot teammates (excluding Rook and his Legends Class counterpart) to form a more accurate [[Defensor (G1)#Generations|Defensor]], if that's how you want to roll. His [[package art|packaging art]] is recolored from his ''[[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Legends]]'' mobile game card art, made to (more or less) match his toy colors.

:Deluxe Groove also comes with a collector card based on his packaging art.

:This mold was retooled into ''Combiner Wars'' [[Afterburner (G1)#Combiner Wars|Afterbreaker]], ''Unite Warriors'' [[Afterburner (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Afterburner]], and ''Power of the Primes'' [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Power of the Primes|Wreck-Gar]]. It also served as the model for the non-toy ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' incarnation of [[Thrust (BM)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Thrustor]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2016/Autobot/CWGroove/groove.htm More information on Deluxe ''Combiner Wars'' Groove at TFU.info]''
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===''Unite Warriors''===
[[File:Unite-warriors-UW-03-Guardian-Groove.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|How Defensor Got His Groove Back]]
*'''Guardian''' (giftset, [[December 12]], [[2015]])
**''ID number:'' '''UW-03'''
**''English name:'' '''Defensor'''
**''Accessories'': Protectobot weapons/extremities, 4 small weapons
{{toydesigner|[[Hisashi Yuki]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:Takara's iteration of ''Combiner Wars'' Defensor is sold in a gift set including all five original Protectobots, with Groove (as a new Deluxe-sized mold) included instead of [[Rook (CW)|Rook]]. Groove transforms into either an [[Afterburner (G1)|oversized bike]] or a limb for any combiner within the'' Unite Warriors''/''Combiner Wars'' line or into one of [[Godbomber#Legends|Godbomber]]'s legs, although he would normally be associated with this set's Protectobots to form Guardian.

:As a Takara-initiated design (instead of the Hasbro/Takara collaboration most other ''Combiner Wars'' figures are), Groove sports several differences compared to the other Deluxe figures in the line. Those include [[light-piping]] for the eyes (a concept mostly abandoned by Hasbro at the time), ''two'' individual hand-held weapons instead of just one, a [[5 mm post|5mm peg hole]] underneath the right arm to attach the hand/foot/gun accessory in robot mode, and a slightly more complex transformation due to Takara not being constrained by Hasbro's budget for the Deluxe price point. Takara also didn't design a new hand/foot/gun accessory for Groove; instead, he comes with the HFG piece available with various iterations of the [[Alpha Bravo#Generations|Alpha Bravo]]/[[Blades (G1)#Generations|Blades]]/[[Vortex (G1)#Combiner Wars|Vortex]] sculpt. In addition, the individual handguns are cast in clear plastic and painted over in an opaque color with the exception of the handles and the top sections, the latter of which are smoked red to give the impression of police lights.

:The [[Generations Selects Special Comic|''Generations Selects'' comic]] cast this Groove as the right arm of [[White Gallant Convoy|White Convoy Grand Prime]].

:''[[Transformers Unite Warriors|Unite Warriors]]'' Guardian was released as a [[TakaraTomy Mall]] exclusive, rather than being a regular release. Preorders were open from May 25 to July 6, 2015, and it was shipped the following December.
{{--}}

==Merchandise==
===G Guardian===
*'''Groove''' (Candy toy, [[2012]])[[File:Kabayagroove.jpg|thumb|I can roll!!!]]
**''Accessories:'' Blaster

:Groove is a snap-together [[candy toy]] model kit produced by [[Kabaya]] for their [[Gaia Guardian|G Guardian]] series, coming in an individual box packed with a stick of (chalky) gum. He can combine with his five wave-mates to form [[Gaia Guardian]]. He, along with Graze, First Aid, and Streetwise, can also combine with Kabaya's [[Transformers Gum]] Hot Spot to form [[Defensor (G1)|Guardian]]. G Guardian's [[Heatrock]] and [[Skyfeather]] attach to Guardian to create [[God Guardian]].

:Like most of his ''G Guardian'' teammates, Groove manages to avoid the [[Partformer|partforming]] that's commonly associated with Kabaya kits, being able to fully transform from robot to bike and back without requiring any disassembly.
{{-}}

===''Transformers Character Card''===
[[File:Transformers Character Card Bruticus and Defensor.jpg|upright=1.3|thumb]]
*'''Guardian & Bruticus Set''' ([[December]], [[2023]])
**''ID number:'' '''71 & 72'''

:Released as part of the tenth wave of the [[e-HOBBY]] exclusive ''[[Transformers Character Card]]'' series, this pair of holographic trading cards depict super-deformed art of "[[Defensor (G1)|Guardian]]" (with his components [[Blades (G1)|Blades]], [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]], [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]], Groove, and [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]]) and [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] (with ''his'' components [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]], [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]], [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]], [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] and [[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]]) along with [[bio|character profiles]] and [[Tech Spec|tech specs]].
::*''[[Source:Transformers Character Card#71|Translation of Defensor's Transformers Character Card]]''

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==Notes==
*Groove had the pre-production name '''Cruiser'''.<ref>[[Sunbow Productions]] cast list entry for "[[The Revenge of Bruticus]]".</ref>
*Sometimes [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] likes to steal Groove's pacifism and run off with it.
*During the dream sequence of [[Second Generation!]], Groove described himself as being "fast and flashy", wanting in on the action busting Decepticon heads. These are not character traits that Groove displayed outside of this.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Groove''' (グルーブ ''Gurūbu'')
*''French:'' '''Le Sillon''' (Canada)
*''Italian:'' '''Chips'''<ref>Named after the TV show starring Eric Estrada, which was very popular in Italy in the 1980s.</ref>
*''Mandarin:'' '''Chēzhé''' (China, 车辙, "Rut")
*''Russian:'' '''Drug''' (Друг, "Friend")
*''Hungarian:'' '''Hasító''' ("ripper", Marvel Comics)

==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:G2GrooveArt.jpg|Unused ''Generation 2'' packaging art
File:Dreamwave-The War Within-Groove Streetwise-Figueroa.jpg|Dreamwave ''The War Within'' Cybertronian design
</gallery>

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Groove/groove.htm Groove at TFU.info]
*[http://www.seibertron.com/toys/gallery.php?id=850&size=0&start=0 Generation 2 Groove photogallery @ Seibertron.com]

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Unknown Constructicon shovel

2025-04-09T19:33:12Z

Omegatron: /* Notes */

{{Faction|decepticon}}
{{noname-nickname}}
:''The unknown Constructicon shovel is a [[Decepticon]] [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]] from the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]] portion the [[movie continuity family]]''

[[File:ROTF-unnamedConstructiconshovel.jpg|thumb|300px|When'd I show up?]]
The "'''unknown Constructicon shovel'''" always has their finger on the pulse and is rarely more than an arm's length away from where they're needed. Who knows what sinister tricks this [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]] has up their sleeves?
{{TOCclear}}

==Fiction==
===''Revenge of the Fallen'' film===
[[File:ROTF-unnamedConstructiconshovel2.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|They're auditioning for the role of {{w|Thing (The Addams Family)|Thing.}}]]
During the climactic battle in [[Egypt]] between the Autobots, their human allies and [[The Fallen]]'s Decepticons, the unknown Constructicon shovel appeared in a quarry with the other Constructicons before merging with [[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]] to become the left arm of [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]]. The combined robot then began to attack former [[Sector Seven]] agent [[Seymour Simmons]], [[Leo Spitz]], [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]], and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]]. As Devastator smashed away at the [[Great Pyramid of Giza]] after shrugging off Skids and Mudflap, Simmons called upon the [[United States Navy]] to fire upon the giant Decepticon. The [[United States Navy#U.S.S. Kidd (DDG-100)|U.S.S. ''Kidd'']] fired her experimental [[rail gun]], smashing one of his arms to pieces and destroying Devastator. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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==Notes==
*This Constructicon is a Caterpillar M9-30 bulldozer with a scoop attachment, a model of construction shovel that differs from both [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]] and [[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]]. They're also much tinier.
*When [[Hasbro Q&A/December 2009: Answers|asked]], Hasbro neither had a name for this poor sod nor recognised his existence (saying there were only seven Constructicons in Devastator).
*''[[Studio Series]]'' Devastator uses [[Scrapmetal_(ROTF)#Studio_Series|Scrapmetal]] as his left hand, rather than this Constructicon. However, recent developments behind the scenes over at [[Hasbro]] suggests the unknown shovel may have in fact been [[Retcon|retconned]] into a Scrapmetal unit using a different alternate form. It also fits with an earlier statement made by Hasbro back in [[2009]] that mentioned Scrapmetal turning into a bulldozer. For a deeper dissection into this, see ''[[Scrapmetal (ROTF)#Who is Scrapmetal?|Who is Scrapmetal?]]''.

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Ed Pirrie

2025-04-09T17:21:48Z

Omegatron:

'''Ed Pirrie''' is a British illustrator. A longtime participant in the ''Transformers'' fan conventions [[Unofficial conventions|Auto Assembly and TFNation]], Pirrie eventually made his official ''Transformers'' debut with [[IDW Publishing]] on works written by fellow Brits [[John-Paul Bove]] and later [[Brian Ruckley]].

Outside of licensed work, Pirrie notably collaborated with [[Jim Sorenson]] and [[Chris McFeely]] for the ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]]'' graphic novel "Trial and Error" for TFNation 2017 and also contributed illustrations to the semi-official presentation of "[[Trial of Megatron, Part 1|Trial of Megatron]]" at TFNation 2019.

==Official work==
===IDW Publishing===
====Interiors====
*''[[Transformers: Fate of Cybertron]]'' (pg. 27-33, 35)

====Colour assists====
*"[[Dawn of the Predacus]]"

====Covers====
*''[[Transformers (2019 comic)|Transformers]]'' [[Rise of the Decepticons: Swindle's|#20]]

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
Image:Animated-TrialOfMegatronUplink.jpg
Image:TF2019 20 cvrA clean.jpg
</gallery>

''[[:Category:Images by Ed Pirrie|Extended Ed Pirrie gallery]]''</center>

==External links==
*[https://twitter.com/EdPirrie Twitter page] (Deleted)
*[https://bsky.app/profile/edpirrie.bsky.social Bluesky page]
*[https://www.facebook.com/etothapizzle/ Facebook page]
*[https://kingoji.tumblr.com/ Tumblr page]
*[https://www.deviantart.com/kingoji DeviantArt page] (Deactivated)

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Thew Adams

2025-04-09T17:21:05Z

Omegatron:

{{disambig3|Matthew}}
[[Image:Thew.jpeg|right|300px|thumb|Science. Science.]]

'''Matthew "Thew" Adams''' (born [[October 19]], [[1983]]) is a legend and beloved [[United Kingdom|British]] ''Transformers'' toy reviewer. A fixture of the UK [[fandom]] and regular sight at TFNation, the country's primary ''Transformers'' convention, Thew made his official debut on the brand as the host of the virtual pre-show for [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2022]].

==Official convention appearances==
*[[Hasbro Pulse Con 2022]], pre-show host
*[[Hasbro Pulse Con 2023]], ''main'' host (fancy)

==Hasbro Pulse livestream appearances==
*October 27, 2022's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-tJqD8UECc 1027 Hasbro Pulse Premium Event] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]].

==Notes==
*Thew is known for his love of [[Skywarp (disambiguation)|Skywarp]], his grindcore accompaniment, and his observations on the absurdities of the spoken word through the medium of appropriate portmanteaus. (Portmapproprianteaus?)
*[[Wonko the Sane|Like]] [[Subsector Hooks|the]] [[Grid Scylla|fandom]] [[Starbase Rugby|titans]] [[Hydra (Animated)|of yore]], Thew has been the subject of an [[Easter egg]] in official media. A "list of signatures" in [[Cybertronian language|Cybertronian text]] for a petition to "Save the [[Singlehorn]]" in the [[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|''Cyberverse'']] episode "[[The Immobilizers]]" included "Threw" {{sic}} Adams alongside various not-Thew ''Transformers'' content creators in a message thanking them for supporting the show.

==External links==
*[https://www.youtube.com/user/barutazaru ''Thew's Awesome Transformers Reviews''], Thew's YouTube channel
*[https://twitter.com/toygrind Thew Adams' Twitter feed]
*[https://bsky.app/profile/toygrind.bsky.social Thew Adams' Bluesky feed]

==See also==
{{OtherVersions
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*[[Maccadam]], the boisterous beardy legend from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]''.}}

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Devastator (ROTF)

2025-04-09T08:25:14Z

Omegatron:

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{{factions|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Devastator}}
:''Devastator is a [[Decepticon]] [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]] [[combiner]] from the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]] portion of the [[movie continuity family]].''
[[File:ROTF_Devastator_promo.jpg|thumb|400px|[[City of Steel (episode)|King Kong]] ain't got nothin' on me!]]

Whether he's formed from six, seven, eight, nine, or even more [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicons]], '''Devastator''' is a giant among giants. He is in fact so huge that his body simply cannot support itself when carrying his weight upright, forcing him to lumber on all fours.

Devastator is a tormented being, his very formation wracking his component Constructicons with pain and stressing them to the breaking point both physically and mentally. The imperfect fusion process produces a mind that's very much less than the sum of its parts; rage and pain are all he knows, pushing aside whatever intelligence he might possess. Devastator relies on almost pure instinct in battle.

Devastator is named after [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s unwithstandable and terrifyingly destructive [[Devastator Winds]], due to his intimidating strength. Devastator can also create powerful gravity wells by generating an artificial [[black hole]] with his [[Vortex Grinder]], located in his mouth.<ref>Devastator's [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/Battle-Bios.cfm Battle Bio] at Hasbro.com</ref> Nearby objects are drawn into his gaping mouth to be crushed.

Devastator is made up of:
*[[Scavenger (ROTF)|Scavenger]] (torso)
*[[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]] (left arm)
*[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]] (right leg)
*[[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]] (head)
*[[Skipjack (ROTF)|Skipjack]] (left leg, or left foot if the yellow dump truck is included)
*[[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]] (right arm)
;Sometimes omitted
*[[Overload (ROTF)|Overload]] (lower waist)
*[[Unknown Constructicon dump truck|Yellow dump truck]] (left leg)
*[[Unknown Constructicon shovel|Second bulldozer]] (left hand)
;Other configurations
*[[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] (stand-in for Scavenger)
*[[Hook (ROTF)|Hook]] (stand-in for Hightower)
*[[Bonecrusher (ROTF Constructicon)|Bonecrusher]] (stand-in for Skipjack)
*[[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]] (another stand-in for Skipjack)
*[[Scrapmetal (ROTF)|Scrapmetal]] (stand-in for the second bulldozer)

==Fiction==
===''Revenge of the Fallen'' film===
{{voiceactor|[[Frank Welker]] (English), [[Yasuyoshi Hara]] (Japanese)}}

[[File:Devastator-ROTFvsLeoSpitz.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.6|He's like a giant puppy! Who wants to eat you.]]
Upon arrival in [[Egypt]], the Constructicons that made up Devastator combined and attacked [[Leo Spitz]], [[Seymour Simmons]], [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]], and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]]. He rampaged through the construction facility, sucking up anything not anchored down, such as sand, cars, and Mudflap. Despite the powerful vacuum, Mudflap held out for a while before being sucked further in. Seeking vengeance, Skids clambered up Devastator for revenge. However, Mudflap had survived, and he blasted a hole through the giant Decepticon's eye to climb out before further attacking the combiner and slowing him down.

[[File:ROTF Devastator death.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|Hi ho, hi ho-HOLY SLAG!]]
[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] yelled Devastator's name from atop the [[Great Pyramid of Giza]] to end the twins' distraction. Devastator clambered out of the construction pit and grappled his way to the peak of the pyramid, where he used his vortex grinder to suck up the stones that hid the [[Star Harvester|star harvester]] inside. By this point, Simmons had made his way to the pyramid, and he radioed a nearby navy ship to fire its experimental [[rail gun]], which had been developed based on studies of Megatron during his captivity at [[Hoover Dam]]. The gun's projectile hit Devastator, blasting off an arm and the lower half of his leg, making him lose his balance, causing him to shatter into many pieces as his body tumbled down the pyramid. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

{{note|Devastator's involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the novels ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'', ''[[Revenge of the Fallen: The Junior Novel]]'' and ''[[The Last Prime]]''; the comic mini-series ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Official Movie Adaptation]]''; and the storybooks "[[I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)|I Am Optimus Prime]]", "[[Rise of the Decepticons]]", "[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Electronic Voice Changer]]" and "[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Mix & Match]]".}}

===IDW movie comics===
[[File:Possibly Devastator TOTF Flashback.jpg|thumb|left]]
Someone who was possibly Devastator was involved in a battle with [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] and [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]], thousands of years ago. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 2|Tales of the Fallen #2}}
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===Titan movie comics===
[[File:Rotf devastator vs stratosphere.jpg|thumb|275px|''The CLAAAAAWWWW!'']]
The Decepticons recovered Devastator's remains, and brought them to the peaks of [[British Columbia]], [[Canada]], so that the behemoth could be repaired by a squad under the watchful optics of [[Skywarp (Movie)|Skywarp]]. Hiding the construction site with a dense, artificially-generated cloudbank, the Decepticons proceeded with repairs until the unfortunate Autobot [[Stratosphere]] stumbled across their location while on a routine patrol in the area. The partially functional Devastator lashed out at the airborne Autobot, smashing off one of his wings and causing him to crash. Stratosphere survived the hit and fought his way past Skywarp to co-opt the Decepticons' communications array, using it to call in an air-strike on Devastator's position. Stratosphere and his fellow Autobots wondered if Devastator could have survived the massive blast that followed, but they decided not to wait around to find out. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.14|Head in the Clouds}}
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===Toy bios===
[[File:HFTD Devastator Wallpaper.jpeg|thumb|left|upright=1.4]]
Devastator chose a green color scheme at some point in time based on the [[oxide shark]]s of the [[Rust Sea]], the most feared predators on Cybertron.

In order to look more like a predator, he once threatened a group of Decepticon scientists into making drastic changes to his body that saw the installation of the Vortex Grinder. The installation of this weapon broke his mind, but made him a mighty force.<ref>[[Toys"R"Us]]-exclusive Devastator's on-line [[bio]]</ref>

After getting dismantled by the railgun, at least some of the components that formed him at the time survived the ordeal. Ironhide made it his mission to hunt the components down one-by-one, starting with Mixmaster.
{{storylink|Mixmaster (ROTF)#Speed_Stars|Enforcer Ironhide VS Mixmaster}}

Devastator was last seen partially deactivated (presumably due to damage wrought to him by the railgun) and hiding in the [[Africa]]n disaster zone.<ref>The most wanted Decepticons Devastator card</ref>
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==Games==
===Transformers: Battle for the Matrix===
{{Note|Battle for the Matrix is a simplified retelling of the events of [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]. It can be played from the perspective of either [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] or [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]].}}

[[File:Devastator battleforthematrix.jpg|thumb|Oh, are you filling in for the railgun by shooting my balls? ''No way'', Jose! Or Bumblebee!]]
{{storylink|Transformers: Battle for the Matrix}}
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===''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'' - The Game===
{{voiceactor|[[Fred Tatasciore]] (English)}}
====Xbox 360/Sony PS3/PC====
=====Autobot campaign=====
[[File:ROTFgame_360PS3PC_Devastatorbattle.jpg|thumb|300px|Don't think about how out of scale the limbs are and let the awesomeness of this picture sink in.]]
After the Autobots defeated Megatron and [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], the Decepticons' ultimate weapon, Devastator, was unleashed upon [[Cairo]]. [[William Lennox|Major Lennox]]'s [[NEST]] forces as well as the local military were unable to hold back the titanic Decepticon, and were relegated to a supporting role once the Autobots arrived in the city. However, NEST helicopters provided invaluable assistance by laser-painting critical weapons subsystems for the Autobots to attack, such as his back-mounted missile launchers, his hip-mounted cannons and his arm-mounted guns, before they could attack his head-mounted armored node. Once the node was breached, Devastator collapsed in the streets of Cairo. {{Storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)}}

====PSP====
=====Autobot Campaign=====
After [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/games|Optimus prime]] combined with [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]]'s parts, NEST informed him of an "ECHO ROMEO" terrorizing Cairo. When Optimus approached the signal, he discovered it was Devastator, leading him to engaged the titan. After a long and tiresome battle, Optimus triumphed over the giant, leaving Devastator in scraps.

=====Decepticon Campaign=====
After the [[Axiom Gun]] was destroyed, [[Megatron (Movie)/games|Megatron]] stated that Devastator is uncovering the [[Star Harvester]].

{{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (PSP)}}
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===''Revenge of the Fallen: Autobots/Decepticons''===
In a variable universal stream, Devastator worked to uncover the Star Harvester for the Fallen in Cairo. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: Autobots/Decepticons|Revenge of the Fallen: Autobots/Decepticons}}
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===Transformers RPMs: Devastator's Demise===
[[File:Devastatorsdemise devastor.jpg|thumb|"Alright, Devastator, your next gig is a game called 'Devastator's Demise.'" "... Do I win?"]]
Devastator confronted Optimus Prime, [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] and Bumblebee as they dodged around the pyramid and ruins. {{storylink|Transformers RPMs: Devastator's Demise}}
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===''Revenge of the Fallen'' (mobile game)===
[[File:ROTFMobile Devastator.jpg|thumb|Karl Heisenberg had to start somewhere before Resident Evil 8 was finished.]]
Traveling to [[Egypt]], Devastator got his hands on the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and defeated [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]]. While he was waiting for [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] to arrive, [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] attacked him. Devastator attempted to bash Bumblebee with his claws, but the diminutive Autobot managed to destroy both his arms. Despite being without his arms, Devastator was not disarmed, and began firing beams of energy from his mouth. Bumblebee evaded them and shot Devastator in the head until the giant fell and he could get the Matrix back. Of course, then Megatron turned up and immediately retook the Matrix... {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Glu)}}
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===Transformers: Dark of the Moon Autobots/Decepticons===
Mixmaster had attempted to reactivate the rest of the Constructicons and Devastator, but was defeated by Ironhide. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon: Autobots/Decepticons|Dark of the Moon: Autobots/Decepticons}}
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===''Transformers: The Ride – 3D''===
Devastator had assembled himself in the [[Chicago]] streets and was lumbering around when he activated his Vortex Grinder to draw in the fleeing [[Evac (Ride)|Evac]], but the force of his vortex sent the Autobot flying over his head and on the other side of him. He then activated his Vortex Grinder again to catch Evac, but Evac escaped through a hole on some train tracks created by his attack while Ratchet and Ironhide fired on him. He soon came upon Evac again and succeeded in sucking the Autobot up, but Evac survived his inner systems by activating his battle shields and emerged in one piece. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ride – 3D}}
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==Toys==
===''Revenge of the Fallen''===
====Legends Class====
[[File:ROTF-toy Devastator Legends.jpg|300px|thumb|The one you will actually buy.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Hightower''' (EZ Collection DX, [[2009]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Long Haul''' (EZ Collection DX, 2009)}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Decepticon Overload''' (EZ Collection DX, 2009)}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Decepticon Mixmaster''' (EZ Collection DX, 2009)}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Decepticon Rampage''' (EZ Collection DX, 2009)}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Scavenger''' (EZ Collection DX, 2009)}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Scrapper''' (EZ Collection DX, 2009)}}</ul>
:*''Release date'': [[July 23]] 2009
{{toydesigner|[[Hironori Kobayashi]] (TakaraTomy)}}

: ''[[EZ Collection]]'' "DX Devastator" is made up of the seven [[:File:TF-ROTF-EZ-Collection-Constructicons.jpg|individually-carded]] Constructicon toys [[Hightower (ROTF)#Toys|Hightower]], [[Long Haul (ROTF)#Toys|Long Haul]], [[Mixmaster (ROTF)#Toys|Mixmaster]], [[Overload (ROTF)#Toys|Overload]], [[Rampage (ROTF)#Toys|Rampage]], [[Scavenger (ROTF)#Toys|Scavenger]], and [[Scrapper (ROTF)#Toys|Scrapper]], resulting in a roughly Deluxe-sized toy. Due to his size and the complexity of even getting this to work at all, he ends up with little articulation outside of a bit of swivel at the limb connections.

: Takara stock imagery shows him with a silver-painted face, but the final product has this reduced to a bunch of small "weathering" paint applications on gray plastic.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Decepticon/WMConstructiconDevastator/devastator.htm More information on Legends Constructicon Devastator at TFU.info]''

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<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Legends Class multi-pack, [[2010]])}}</ul>

: In [[Hasbro]]'s markets, the Legends-class Constructicons were only sold together in a 7-pack. They are otherwise identical to the prior Takara releases. In the United States and Canada, said exclusive lies with [[Walmart]]. In the United Kingdom, the set was only available through Argos.

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[[File:Image-ROTF Devastator ezcollectiondxG1.jpg|300px|thumb|Bet yer ''green'' with envy.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Devastator "Origin Color" Set''' (EZ Collection, 2010)}}</ul>
:*''Release date'': [[March 20]] 2010

: Takara reissued the complete team of seven Legend class Constructicons in a singular box set. This time around, every toy has been redone in a Generation-1-[[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]-inspired bright green and purple color scheme. He even comes packaged in the same clear box set the Hasbro version used.

: In keeping with the "Generation 1" theme of the set, two of the Constructicons have been renamed, with the truss crane now being [[Hook (ROTF)|Hook]] and the bulldozer [[Bonecrusher (ROTF Constructicon)#Toys|Bonecrusher]]. (Overload has not been renamed as he has no Generation 1 proxy.)

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====Supreme Combiner Class====
[[File:ROTF Devastator combiner toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Actually movie accurate... [[Overload (ROTF)|NOT.]] (''Hasbro version pictured'')]]
[[File:TF-ROTF-Supreme-Class-Devastator-(Takara-Tomy).jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|You've got red on you. (''TakaraTomy version pictured'')]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Supreme Combiner Class, 2009)}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''RD-16'''
:*''Accessories'': Mixmaster's truck "nose", Scavenger's shovel-bucket
{{toydesigner|[[Takio Ejima]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Shogo Hasui]] (initial concept)}}

:''Revenge of the Fallen'' Supreme Class Devastator is formed from the combination of six transforming construction vehicle toys that do not have individual robot modes. Unlike [[Duocon|prior]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#Energon|cases]] of this format, Devastator's vehicles represent separate Transformers, [[Scavenger (ROTF)|and]] [[Rampage (ROTF)|most]] [[Long Haul (ROTF)|of]] [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|them]] have other non-combiner toys that ''do'' have robot modes.

:Despite the figure's complex appearance (from the front anyway), the limbs' transformations into combined mode are rather simple. Fortunately, this makes him a lot easier to muck with than some of the other larger-scale ''Revenge of the Fallen'' toys. This is good, because Devastator is ENORMOUS. His smallest limbs (his legs) are the size of Deluxe-class toys, and his largest components are bigger than Leader-class toys. While the legs cannot be swapped (unless for some reason you want a backwards walking Devastator), the arms can be swapped around. The pegs meant to plug Rampage and Long Haul into Devastator's hips also fit snugly into the sockets meant for connecting Scrapper and Hightower to Scavenger... if you're inclined to have a random arm connected to a stray leg with no body in between, or a vehicle mode about as useful as a poorly matched [[Micromaster Combiner]] pair.

:The toy's electronics are all in the Mixmaster component. Pressing the button makes Devastator's mouth open and activates voice clips and engine sounds, as well as green lights in his mouth and eyes. Pressing the button for a few seconds activates his "Vortex grinder". However, the button trigger is so sensitive that he ''never shuts up''. In Devastator mode, his mouth can be locked into the open position by clicking his lower jaw sections into the large tank treads that form his shoulders. His mouth is enormous, and it lights up all pretty and green. He can easily swallow any Legends Class toy and spit it out the other side by opening up the back of his head. Covering Devastator's head when separating him from the torso and turning him back into Mixmaster's vehicle mode activates the transformation noise, and after that somehow makes engine stalling noises without pulling the trigger.

:Right out of the packaging, Scavenger's bucket and Mixmaster's truck "nose" are detached and must be assembled, the former of the two requires a bit of force to get attached, but loosens up with time. Scrapper's rear guard-railing and Scavenger's side railing pieces are also removable and are likely to be missing when searching for a loose Devastator on the aftermarket.

:Sadly, Devastator has a hard time standing on all four of his limbs, and is most stable standing on his hind legs. This is mainly because the most weight is located in the head, and his fingers are not made to hold that weight. He will also look straight to the ground unless you lock his head in place with the lower jaw.

:The [[TakaraTomy]] release of this figure has extra paint applications on Devastator's face, for a better resemblance to the final CG model.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/Devastator/devastator.htm More information on Supreme Devastator at TFU.info]''
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====''Mega Power Bots''====
[[File:ROTF MegaPowerBots Devastator.jpg|300px|thumb|Not a Power Rangers Megazord.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Mega Power Bot, 2009)}}</ul>
:''Revenge of the Fallen'' [[Power Bots|Mega Power Bots]] Devastator is a simple toy for younger children, featuring plenty of playing sounds and flashing lights. His limbs have limited swivel articulation and do not detach into separate vehicles. He has a distinctly more humanoid stature than normal.

:Unlike regular [[Power Bots]], and unlike other portrayals of the character in general, Devastator features a transformation! It consists of putting his arms up and laying him flat on his stomach, which lets him roll around using the wheels on his limbs.

:Pressing down the Decepticon shield on his crotch (!) spins the vortex in his chest, lights up his eyes and makes him utter one of many Welker-recorded phrases, including [[The Transformers: The Movie|"Prepare for extermination!"]], "Crush Autobots!" and "I am Devastator!" Pressing on the crane of his excavator arm makes a cannon blast sound effect, while pressing the cab of his loader arm turns the scoop into claws.
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===''Transformers'' (2010)===
[[File:TF2010-toy_GreenDevastator.jpg|thumb|250px|I DARE you to spot any purple in this picture.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Legends Class multi-pack, 2010)}}</ul>

:A [[Toys"R"Us]]-exclusive Generation 1-themed redeco of Legends Devastator and his components was released in the 2010 ''Transformers'' toyline. Unlike Takara's go at the same idea, this Devastator only uses purple for the Constructicons' windshields, and as a result is mostly lime green and gray. The seven individual Constructicons also have brown [[paint operation]]s on and around their wheels to simulate dirt.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Decepticon/TRUConstructiconDevastator/devastator.htm More information on "Toys'R'Us" Constructicon Devastator at TFU.info]''
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===''Movie Advanced Series''===
[[File:Lost Age AD-13 Devastator.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Sculpted robot testicles still not included. Thank Primus.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Devastator''' (Gift set, [[May 17]], [[2014]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number:'' '''AD13'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hironori Kobayashi]] (deco artist)}}

:Released as part of Takara's ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)#Movie Advanced Series|Movie Advanced Series]]'' line, Devastator is a redeco of the ROTF Legends Devastator and his components in a deco that more closely resembles his on-screen portrayal.

:However, thanks to either mold degradation or just poor [[quality control]], some sets have had figures (most noticeably Scrapper) with weak ball joints, showing very visible stress marks specifically on the stems of the joints, which can break off easily with enough pressure, as well as some really loose joints and missing heads.
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===''Studio Series''===
[[File:TF-Studio-Series-Devastator.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Devastator, supreme at last!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Constructicon Scrapmetal''' (Deluxe Class, [[2019]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Constructicon Hightower''' (Deluxe Class, 2019)}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Constructicon Skipjack''' (Voyager Class, [[2020]])}}</ul>
:<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Constructicon Rampage''' (Voyager Class, 2019)}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Constructicon Long Haul''' (Voyager Class, 2019)}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Constructicon Mixmaster''' (Voyager Class, 2019)}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Constructicon Scavenger''' (Leader Class, 2019)}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Constructicon Scrapper''' (Voyager Class, 2020)}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Constructicon Overload''' (Leader Class, 2020)}}</ul>
{{toydesigner|[[Mike Booth]] (Hasbro), [[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:Announced to commemorate the 10th anniversary of ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', the holy grail known as ''[[Studio Series]]'' Devastator consists of eight (yes, eight) Constructicons that combine into one mechanical giant. While meant to celebrate the film's tenth anniversary, some members were released in 2020.

:Despite the ''Studio Series'' line's focus on screen-accuracy, Devastator once again omits the yellow dump truck Constructicon. The second bulldozer who forms Devastator's left hand in the film is replaced entirely by an excavator, [[Scrapmetal (ROTF)|Scrapmetal]] (who died before Devastator was formed on-screen). One of the first releases in the set, [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]], was later redecoed into [[Skipjack (ROTF)|Skipjack]] as an option for a more screen-accurate left leg. [[Hasbro]] would later reveal that Skipjack was always intended to be the definitive leg for the combiner and made Rampage an individual to recreate the battle between him and [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]].<ref>[https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/behindthedesign-transformers-devastator Behind the Design on Hasbro Pulse]</ref> Because Skipjack and Rampage share the same design this also gave fans the option to use Rampage in place of Skipjack if they so desired. The ''Studio Series'' packaging bios for both figures were written to reflect this.

:Due to the connectors used, it is possible to swap or double the components used as the arms, but not the feet. This means that you may form a less screen-accurate Devastator using seven or nine components instead of eight by duplicating or omitting [[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]] or both [[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]] & Scrapmetal. [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]] is the only component able to connect as a right foot, while Rampage and Skipjack are both left feet and cannot be used simultaneously.

:With compound hip and ankle joints and fixed-angle "knees", along with complex shoulder and bicep assemblies, this Devastator has far greater flexibility than any previous version, and as such can stand more erect than is typical for the character. This allows a pose similar to early [[:File:ROTF Devastator and components concept art.jpg|concept art]], and makes him easily the largest ''Studio Series'' figure to date.

:On the flip side, in his intended configuration, Devastator cannot stand on all fours for several reasons: his joints don't orient in the needed positions, his head is largely immobile, and the joints in his hands are not designed to support his weight. It is possible to get him on all fours, though you'll have to disconnect some components and really stretch the limits of his joints. Many fans have taken to creating unique [[Fan mode|fan-modes]] to give Devastator his screen-accurate quadrupedal stature.

:Where other Studio Series packages feature a red window with an Autobot logo, Devastator's components display [[:File:StudioSeries_Dev_Sym.jpg|an insignia of Devastator's face]]. Unusual for a ''Studio Series'' figure, Devastator—and many of his components—lacks a Decepticon insignia.

:While wrecking balls are not included, he does, however, have a 5 mm port placed on his rump meant to store the stands included with the Rampage/Skipjack mold. The shield from Scrapmetal can also be plugged into his left thigh to represent Skipjack's mass being integrated further up into the combiner's left thigh, making for more screen accuracy.

:''DO NOT'' remove either of the legs before separating the two pieces of his torso, as the whiplash caused by the separation can break Scavenger's shoulder joint, especially if Devastator's arms are still attached.

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[[File:TF-ROTF-Studio-Series-69-Devastator.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|The [[Heinrad (BW)|second Transformer to ever have testicles]], and they slap a 69 on the box. Classy.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Devastator''' (Gift set, 2020)}}</ul>
:*''Movie'': '''''Revenge of the Fallen'''''
:*''ID number'': '''69'''
:*''Accessories'': "[[Operation: Firestorm|Pyramid Desert Battle]]" backdrop (2nd version)

:This boxset was released as the 69th (yes, har har) ''Studio Series'' figure. It contains 8 of the ''Studio Series'' Constructicons seen in the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' film. In order to keep Devastator accurate to his on-screen appearance, [[Skipjack (ROTF)|Skipjack]] is included in the set, completely omitting [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]], as he was busy [[Bumblebee (Movie)|elsewhere]].

:This set also includes several new deco additions including dirt and metallic scuff patterns on Long Haul, Skipjack, Scrapper, and Scrapmetal, as well as additional applications on Devastator's face.

:The gift set was announced on the [[October 16]] [[Hasbro Pulse#Fan First Friday|Fan First Friday]].
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==Merchandise==
===Burger King===
[[File:ROTFMerchandise-BurgerKingDevastator.jpg|thumb|the toy to stand on all fours....]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Constructin' Devastator''' (2009)}}</ul>
:Burger King Devastator consists of five parts — a head and body, and simplified versions of the vehicle modes for Long Haul, Scrapper, Rampage and Hightower, which connect to the torso on [[ball joint]]s. The generic connectors mean that they can be attached in any configuration, however the intended layout is marked with letters from A to D. The ball joints are loose enough to allow limited articulation.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/BKDevastator/devastator.htm More information on Constructin' Devastator at TFU.info]''
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===''RPMs - Robot Powered Machines''===
[[File:ROTF RPM Devastator Showdown Playset.jpg|150px|thumb|Rejected name: Escape The Teabag.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Devastator Showdown''' (Track Set, 2009)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories:'' Wrecking ball, [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] [[Robot Powered Machines|Mini-Vehicle]]
:The Devastator Showdown track set is a [[retool]] of the ''Indiana Jones'' race track. This playset is compatible with the other [[Hot Wheels]]-like miniature cars. It fires the car on a track to an area that (when a car goes over it) releases a "wrecking ball" and the Devastator head lights up and makes sounds. The wrecking ball will follow the car down the track until the tracks stop.

:Yes, that means he fires his testicles at you. Lovely.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/RPMDevastator/devastator.htm More information on Devastator Showdown Devastator at TFU.info]''
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===''Robot Heroes''===
[[File:rotf_desertdevastation_rh.jpg|thumb|300px|D'awwwvstator.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Desert Devastation''' (Multi-pack, 2009)}}</ul>
{{toydesigner|[[Marcelo Matere]] (concept artist)}}

:"Desert Devastation" Constructicon Devastator is a super-sized ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' figure, at least twice as big as other toys in the line. He is only available in a multi-pack with [[Skids (ROTF)#RHDevastation|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)#RHDevastation|Mudflap]] in their individual vehicle modes and [[William Lennox#Robot Heroes|Captain William Lennox]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/RHConstructiconDevastator/devastator.htm More information on ''Robot Heroes'' Devastator at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
{{quote|[[Steven Spielberg|Spielberg]] saw [Devastator] and said, 'This is [expletive] awesome!' It's always nice when you can make him swear.|[[Michael Bay]]|"[http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-04-01-transformers-first-look_N.htm First look: Robo-brawlers big, small in new 'Transformers']" in ''USA Today'' ([[April 3]], [[2009]])}}

[[File:ROTF Devastator and components concept art.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|"Six?! What happened to seven?!" "Just kidding."]]
[[File:Devastator-ROTFenemyscrotum.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|NSFW]]

* In ''[[Transformers Generations 2009 Volume 3|Transformers Generations 2009 Vol. 3]]'', a very early Devastator mock-up from [[TakaraTomy]] designer [[Shogo Hasui]] is pictured that places more emphasis on height than width (being rather creepily lanky) and includes among other things, a [[Blackout (Movie)|Sikorsky]] helicopter as a component. It was [[customizing|customized]] using various figures from other toylines, including some from Spawn and Kamen Rider.<ref name="Generations 3">TakaraTomy designer interview in ''[[Transformers Generations 2009 Volume 3]]''</ref>
* Massive Black's concept art is totally different from the film version: a red mining truck forms the torso, an excavator and timber harvester form the arms, and the legs are formed by a military plow and bulldozer. The resulting robot is human in posture.<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/feeb3d85-e1ce-4575-b92f-1e8a934750e3-jpeg.28072705/]</ref>
* Devastator's final CGI head differs from that used for his promotional images, including more red panels and several pulleys and wires, four highly pronounced horns, and a trio of throat gears lit like a furnace instead of a single complex vortex machine lit green like his eyes. All of the toys and most of the video games released around the film depicted Devastator with a completely grey head, with later Takara releases of his Supreme and Legends class toys adding more screen-accurate red paint applications.
** Amusingly, the prototype image for the ''Studio Series'' figure, revealed in early 2019, presented the figure with a grey face and green lit mouth similar to the original promotional images for the movie, with the final figure using red paint applications for a screen-accurate face.
* In the film, none of Devastator's components are shown as individual Transformers. This might vaguely justify why the components of his Supreme class toy lack individual robot modes.
* Devastator's got a pair of [[Humanization#Nuts, bolts, and screws|brass balls]]. Exactly ''how'' is pretty questionable; even Hightower would only have one wrecking ball as a counterweight, meaning this was just a cheap, throw-away gag.
** When Hasbro was asked if there ever will be a Devastator toy with wrecking balls, they replied straight out "no".
** Ironically, the Devastator Showdown track set does, however, feature one wrecking ball that chases cars down the track. Hmmm.

* According to a [[catalog]] included with ''Revenge of the Fallen'' toys, the ONLY way for the Autobots to defeat Devastator is by combining Optimus Prime and Jetfire.
* Devastator was in an early draft of ''[[Transformers: The Reign of Starscream|The Reign of Starscream]]'', but was dropped at Hasbro's request.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/mowry-73165.html#vmessage167559 Mowry's profile at TFW2005.com]</ref>
* When Devastator punches the pyramid, his hand is traveling at 390 miles per hour.<ref name="Barbara"/>

===Size and composition===
[[File:Hightower-Scrapmetal-Continuity Error.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|The mysterious "tenth" Devastator component.]]
* Technically, Devastator stands at 100 feet tall, as illustrated in the film's official [[Scale charts#Revenge of the Fallen film|scale chart]]. However, he's so top-heavy that it is only possible for him to rise to 45 feet. This makes him about twice as tall Optimus Prime and on a roughly equal level to [[Grimlock (AOE)|Grimlock]], although he far surpasses either of them in bulk.
* In the film, there are ''nine'' vehicles that form Devastator! A [[Unknown Constructicon shovel|yellow bulldozer]] is seen unfolding and is then scooped up by Devastator's left arm, which has been formed by [[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]]. Another [[Unknown Constructicon dump truck|yellow dump truck]] lines up next to Skipjack and presumably helps him form the leg. This means two things: It explains why Devastator's left arm has scoops on it while Hightower's vehicle mode has no such equipment, and also that none of the Devastator toys are movie-accurate.
** However, a ''tenth'' vehicle and an ''eleventh'' vehicle are also present during the combination sequence just behind Hightower for a brief moment, this being a Volvo excavator with a Decepticon [[insignia]] (the same vehicle prop used for [[Scrapmetal (ROTF)|Scrapmetal]] in the early barge scene), and another yellow dump truck hiding behind [[Overload (ROTF)|Overload]]. Does this mean Scrapmetal and a second unknown dump truck are a part of Devastator or is this just a continuity error? Who knows! As the film does not show which (if any) part of Devastator they form, they are not included in the component list at the top of the page.
** Devastator also has what appears to be two smaller excavator shovels that fold out of his mouth as he expands it to use his Vortex Grinder. At this point it feels as if the animators were just throwing in random construction equipment components all over the show to exaggerate his size, despite there only being between a debatable nine, ten, or eleven vehicles visible pre-transformation.
* In the [[Hasbro Q&A/December 2009: Answers|December 2009 Q&A]] Hasbro stated that there are only ''seven'' Constructicons that form Devastator. [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] explained that Devastator can be formed by any number from ''six'' to ''nine''.<ref>"[[Transformers Comic issue 2.13#Law and Disorder|Law and Disorder]]"</ref>
* [[Vector Sigma]]'s online [[Datatrax|Data Tracks]], however, revealed that Devastator's composition is not set. Devastator is simply bigger the more Constructicons that unite.<ref>[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/cybertronian-database.cfm#/glossary/constructicon Vector Sigma's online glossary]</ref> This could also mean that he could be bipedal (like his concept art and toys) if his weight is more evenly distributed.
* Given that the film establishes multiple sets of Constructicons, it seems entirely possible that more than one "Devastator" could be formed.
* Devastator is made up of 52,632 geometric pieces and 11,716,127 polygons. The total length of all the pieces is 13.84 miles.<ref name="Barbara">Robertson, Barbara (2009). Weighty Matters. Computer Graphics World, 32(7), 20-29</ref>
* Devastator is made up of 6467 total textures, taking up 32 gigabytes of computer space.<ref name="Barbara"/>
* According to [[Shawn Kelly]], the [[Industrial Light & Magic|ILM]] lead animator for ''Revenge of the Fallen'', Devastator caused a computer to catch fire spontaneously and its insides to melt.<ref>''[[Nickelodeon]] Magazine'', issue 153, published June 2009</ref> One assumes he was exaggerating for the purposes of publicity, as it is improbable for modern computers to actually catch fire under operations for which they are designed, such as rendering an extremely complex model. The special features on the DVD do (indirectly) show one of the computers blowing, with lots of black smoke and the poor animator (and his keyboard) covered in soot. (This was all done as a prank, leading to said animator asking "What the hell, man?") Not quite melting, but still.
* Devastator holds the Guinness World Record for "Most complicated single computer graphics model in a film". <ref>[https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/693116-most-complicated-single-computer-graphics-model-in-a-film Guinness World Records]</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Devastator''' (デバステーター ''Debasutētā'')

==References==
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Nexus Prime

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[[Image:NexusPrimeflankedbyotherPrimes.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Insert batteries where?!]]
One of the [[Thirteen|original Thirteen Primes]], the wild and unpredictable '''Nexus Prime''' is the first [[combiner]]. He is the bearer of the immensely consequential [[Artifacts of the Primes|artifact]] known as the [[Enigma of Combination]] and the lord of [[Rarified Energon]]—the stuff of [[spark]]s themselves—granting him a variety of mysterious powers above and beyond many of his siblings. Nexus' go-to problem solving method of scattering himself to the four winds has often proved the cause of, and solution to, all of his and his resultant sub-selves' problems. He also has a habit of hoarding the legendary blades forged by his sister [[Solus Prime]] whether they belong to him or not, considering himself the safest pair(s) of hands. How much these antics relate to his reputation as the prankster of the gods is up for interpretation. His fragments include:

*[[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] (A-10 Thunderbolt II, left leg)— a deep space explorer with the ability to project [[Force field|forcefields]]
*[[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]] (anti-aircraft tank, right arm)— a disaffected soldier with the power to forge [[Energon weapon|energon weapons]] unaided
*[[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]] (fighter jet, left arm)— a mystical guardian with preternatural healing abilities
*[[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]] (helicopter, right leg)— a credulous refugee with the power to manipulate sparks
*[[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]] (armored personnel carrier, torso)— a cheerful technician with ability to "speak" machinery to life

Unlike many of his descendants, Nexus Prime is highly mutable and not beholden to a single set of components. Another splitting produced:

*[[Clocker (Prime)|Clocker]]—a racer
*[[Mainspring]]—a mechanic
*[[Chaindrive]]—a soldier
*[[Pinion]]—a trader
*[[Cannonspring]]—a coma patient

Oh yeah, and he is responsible for [[Shroud|splintering]] himself and [[Multiversal singularity|his brethren]] across the [[Multiverse|multiverse]]. That was a pretty significant thing that happened.

He is sometimes, unfortunately, known as '''[[#Naming issues|Nexus Maximus]]'''.

==Fiction==
===Fun Publications===
When the Thirteen visited ancient Earth of some universal streams, Nexus Prime used a [[holomatter]] avatar which inspired the myth of the goddess Hera, trusted confidant of Zeus, who was [[Prima]]'s holomatter avatar. [[Vector Prime]] shared many fond memories with his siblings, including Nexus, and noted that there were universal streams where Nexus was known as Nexus [[Convoy (rank)|Convoy]].

Nexus Prime, Vector Prime, [[Alpha Trion (disambiguation)|Alpha Trion]], and [[Solus Prime]] made the decision to split Nexus Prime into five pieces to conceal the location of the five fragments of Prima's [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]] sword, a weapon that could destroy star systems, from their evil brother [[The Fallen|Megatronus]]. Using the blade of the Star Saber, Nexus Prime was cut into five other robots: [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]], [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]], and [[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]], who were subsequently scattered across the [[multiverse]] and lost to the ages. {{Storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}

But the skills of Nexus Prime are needed once again, and now that his components have been called together by Primus, he searches the multiverse for the components to the Star Saber sword, armed with his masterful control over all uses of [[energon]], and ability to manipulate [[spark]]s.

[[Image:Clubcombinercarving.jpg|200px|thumb|They drew his limbs arranged incorrectly!]]
The [[Caretaker]] told its components that Nexus Prime was "designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]", like the other original thirteen. {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 6}}

When Landquake, Breakaway, Topspin, and Heatwave made an attempt to use their powers to revive the recently assassinated [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]], they were transported—along with a revived Skyfall—to the presence of [[Primus]] in the "afterlife". He gave them a choice of living (or staying dead) as they were, or being reborn as what they were meant to be. After the gestalt members made their deliberations, Primus declared, "The choice is made. Arise, Nexus Prime," as they started the transformation. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 5}}

[[Image:OmegaDoomNexusPrimeGalvatron.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Behold the fingers my toy totally doesn't have!]]

Nexus Prime [[Reformatting|reformatted]] the dead Megatron into the powerful Galvatron, investing in him some of the power of the Thirteen. The two exited the Decepticon stronghold to counter [[Omega Doom]]'s offensive, but they were forced to split up when Doom launched a starkilling missile into Cybertron's sun. Though his Decepticon components protested leaving the battle, Nexus Prime knew saving this Cybertron's star system was of more immediate importance. Regardless, he was too late in stopping the missile, and its energies began to destroy the sun. Nexus began to concentrate.

Nexus returned to Cybertron triumphant, having used his own powers to negate those of the starkilling missile, and he made short work of Omega Doom, saving Galvatron in the nick of time. Though there was more on this Cybertron to do, such as finishing [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] once and for all, Nexus Prime knew he had to depart this universe. After saying goodbye to [[Cliffjumper (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Cliffjumper]], he entered a portal with [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]], trusting fate to bring him to the correct destination. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 6}}

Nexus Prime and Aquarius traveled from world to world, but without finding what Nexus Prime was looking for. Eventually, the pair arrived on [[Primax 509.28 Epsilon|one universe]]'s [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where they were attacked by a group of smaller Decepticons who thought they had an easy mark. Though Nexus Prime was unwilling to use his more supernatural powers, lest he draw unwanted attention towards himself, he was still able to easily beat their attackers. As they left the group of dazed Decepticons behind, Nexus Prime and Aquarius wandered through a Cybertronian marketplace. Finally, Nexus Prime began to drop hints about what [[Star Saber (Prima)|mysterious artifact]] he was looking for; he hadn't yet clued Aquarius in. Ultimately, Nexus Prime spotted a shipping container with an [[Elite Guard]] symbol on it. This unlocked a memory in the ancient Transformer, allowing him to determine their next destination. He and Aquarius vanished through another portal to yet another dimension. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 1}}

After several unspecified adventures, Aquarius ended up in Axiom Nexus and took charge of a shard of the Star Saber from a [[Chifumi Takahashi|courier]]. In exchange, he promised to help her get home. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 48|Transformers I.Q. last issue review}} To their surprise, however, they ended up on the Cybertron of Aquarius's home reality. It soon became obvious that Nexus had transported them there in order to receive the [[Origin Matrix]], the fifth and final piece, from [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Mammoth]]. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 54|Transformers I.Q. trivia bonus #12}} {{storylink|Falling into Place}}

[[File:AnotherLight-choppitychop.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"...''Transformers: Prime'' will never make a dozen episodes about finding you."]]

While waiting for Nexus Prime's arrival, Ultra Mammoth confronted his negative counterpart [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]], who was wielding the [[Terminus Blade]] on Earth. After the Origin Matrix inadvertently supercharged the Blade, Nexus Prime's components arrived in time to combine the Matrix with the other elements to reform the Star Saber. Prima's great sword severed the evil Magnus's arm, and Nexus Prime banished the insane Autobot to a dimension suitable for his temperament. With the Star Saber and Terminus Blade in hand, Nexus Prime set about undoing what damage he could from Magnus's abuse of the weapon. {{storylink|Restoration}}

In multidimensional space, Nexus Prime found he could not undo the destruction of universes already caused by the Terminus Blade. Aware that his actions would not be without consequences to himself, Nexus Prime brought the Saber and Blade together. He strengthened the existing walls between dimensions to prevent further inter-universe decay. He bolstered dying universes that had not yet succumbed to Ultra Magnus, hoping they might still survive. In the process, however, the strengthened walls could no longer support the fluidity of multiversal singularities. Nexus Prime felt himself and his fellow Thirteen splintering, existing as independent beings in each reality they manifested in, instead of thirteen singularities. {{storylink|Out of the One, Many}}

===Aligned continuity family===
====''The Covenant of Primus''====
[[Image:5NexusPrime.jpg|thumb|200px]]
Nexus Prime was the seventh member of the Thirteen created by Primus with the purpose of fighting against and defeating Unicron. As the first and greatest combiner, he could separate himself into multiple independent components and combine them at will. Nexus, like his siblings who were created between [[Prima]] and [[The Fallen|Megatronus]], was balanced between the personalities of Primus and Unicron.

Nexus was part of the '''Free Agents''', which included [[Alchemist Prime]], [[Solus Prime]], and the [[Thirteenth Prime]]: capable of both direct battle and subtle attacks. As the Primes trained with each other, Solus created the [[Cyber Caliber]] for him, which could split into smaller swords. Nexus would follow Solus into the portal leading to Unicron, entering Unicron's body to harm him from within. All of Nexus' components struggled with the overpowering corruption of Unicron's Dark Energon, but the words of ''Thirteen'', "All Are One", would help him keep fighting. Eventually, Unicron was defeated and Nexus returned to Cybertron with his siblings.

As the [[Age of Primes]] began, Nexus devoted his time to his creative interests, having no interest in the politics of Prima's group. During the [[War of the Primes]], when the Primes came together to vote on whether [[Liege Maximo]]'s [[Farm]] should be shut down or not, Nexus voted with Prima to shut it down. Sometime later, Nexus would join Prima, [[Vector Prime]], [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]], [[Micronus Prime]], and ''Thirteen'' in finding Megatronus after the death of Solus Prime. Nexus would take his Cyber Caliber when all the Primes visited the Farm, which led to infighting among the Primes.

Nexus Prime would survive the War of the Primes, but the memory of his existence would fade away into myth and legend. Several stellar cycles later, the five components of Nexus Prime -- [[Cannonspring]], [[Mainspring]], [[Pinion]], [[Clocker (Prime)|Clocker]], and [[Chaindrive]] -- would briefly reunite as Nexus Prime, giving [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] his sword. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus}}

====Aligned novels====
Known as the "Wizard of Forms", Nexus Prime was all about change and mutability. When standing alone, his body seemed to shift or be overlaid with ever-changing forms and combinations he might take. Powerful, proud, and frequently unpredictable even to those who knew him best, Nexus Prime was full of good humor and a bit of a prankster at times. He was the "mad experimenter" of the Thirteen and is fascinated by changing states of matter and the creation of new elements in solar forges. This shared affinity for creation led [[Solus Prime]], the "Maker" of the Thirteen, to have special feelings for Nexus, which in turn seemed to have earned him the enmity of [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and [[Liege Maximo]].

Nexus Prime was last seen by Alpha Trion before the [[Age of Wrath]], taking custody of many of Solus Prime's creations, including the Cyber Caliber, the [[Chaos Edge]], the [[Blades of Time]], and the [[Omni Saber]].
The Omni Saber was a part of Nexus Prime's body, and he secreted the Cyber Caliber away inside his form as well before splitting himself into five component robots: Clocker, Mainspring, Chaindrive, Pinion, and Cannonspring.
Each component held a fraction of the Cyber Caliber within themselves and was also charged with guarding one of the Blades of Time. Only by assembling the Blades of Time and using them to open a gateway to the hollow [[Realm of the Primes|realm]] of Vector Prime could the Cyber Caliber be reassembled. The [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]] was believed to have been taken by Nexus Prime but was not in his possession during the [[Great Exodus]].

The sub-selves of Nexus Prime scattered throughout the colony worlds of Cybertron. They remained apart for so long that each forgot their true nature, and no longer recalled being part of Nexus Prime or the Thirteen. All but Cannonspring even forgot their duty to safeguard the Blades of Time and the Cyber Caliber. Clocker and Mainspring wound up on [[Velocitron]], where they remained slightly out of place as mechanics instead of the speed-driven racers who ruled the planet. Pinion ended up on [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]], assimilating well into the culture (perhaps because the Junkion way of constantly reusing materials appealed to the subconscious preference of Nexus Prime for change). Chaindrive found himself on Cybertron, and eventually became part of the Autobot resistance movement alongside [[Ultra Magnus (WFC)|Ultra Magnus]] and Alpha Trion after the Ark's departure. Cannonspring ended up in a crippled ship in Cybertron's deep orbit, until the prospector [[Axer (Prime)|Axer]] triggered some latent transwarp energy on board, transporting them both to Junkion. Cannonspring remained inert for over a million years inside his ship after it crashed.

Nexus Prime began to come together once more thanks to the Matrix, which directed Optimus Prime through space to the various colony worlds. As the Ark came to Velocitron, Optimus discovered two pieces of the Blades of Time and fatefully agreed to bring Clocker and Mainspring on the next leg of his journey when they asked. On Junkion, Prime encountered Pinion while recovering a third Blade, and the fourth was retrieved from Axer. Meanwhile, back on Cybertron, Alpha Trion and [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] concocted a method of sending a scout after Optimus Prime by keying residual Space Bridge energy to the signature of the Matrix. Instinctively, Alpha Trion decided Chaindrive was the proper choice, and he brought with him the fifth Blade. Once all five Blades and the other four components assembled on Junkion, the combined energy was enough to rekindle the inert Cannonspring, bringing him back to full functioning and allowing them to reassemble into Nexus Prime.

Displaying the ability to hold more weapons than an armory, Nexus Prime pulled forth both his Omni Saber and the Chaos Edge, and also passed the Cyber Caliber over to Optimus Prime. Although he refused to kill anyone, Nexus Prime essentially held off the Decepticons and the [[Star Seeker]]s for a time, on intimidation alone. As [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] and [[Thundertron]] left to pursue other goals, Nexus Prime reclaimed his swords and gave some last words of encouragement to Optimus Prime before splitting himself once more. Reduced to a new set of five protoforms, Nexus Prime vanished into space and the annals of history once more. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

====''Prime'' cartoon====
[[Image:OneShallRise1-TheThirteen.jpg|left|thumb|300px|The second one on the left.]]
According to legend, at the beginning of time, [[Unicron]] and [[Primus]] battled each other for eons, with neither side remaining victorious for long. Till, that is, Primus created the [[Thirteen]]. These Thirteen defeated Unicron and cast him into space. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}
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===Generation 1 continuity family===
====2005 IDW continuity====
{{first|[[Earthfall Part 3: The Mind Bomb|''Robots in Disguise'' #30]] (mentioned); [[The Crucible|#34]] (depicted)}}

[[File:OriginMyths-ThePrimes.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Love child of Silverbolt and Wheeljack.]]

In the primitive age that followed the departure of the [[Knights of Cybertron]], Nexus Prime joined his [[Thirteen Tribes|tribe]] with those of [[Solus Prime|Solus]], [[Vector Prime|Vector]], [[Alchemist Prime]] and [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] in [[Crystal City]]. Like the other four, he knew [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Onyx Prime]] but he himself was disgusted by Onyx's bestial horde and took time to become acclimated to them. He had a brother in the east who ruled his own kingdom. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Nexus was the first recorded owner of the mysterious artifact known as the [[Enigma of Combination]]. He evidently chose to keep the artifact's true nature as a physical object a secret, with most believing the "Enigma" part of the name referred to a puzzle that had to be solved to allow for [[Combiner|combination]]. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

One evening, Vector Prime barged in on a meeting to announce the approach of Onyx and [[Liege Maximo|a crony]], as well as the news that [[Septimus Prime]] had perished and that [[The Fallen|the conqueror]] of [[Protihex|his lands]] was on the warpath across Cybertron. Despite Solus and Onyx's dismissal, Nexus felt Septimus had still been a Prime such as they were before he asked who Onyx's minion was, the newcomer introducing himself as Liege Maximo, who had also lost his lands to the army of [[Darklands|Darklanders]]. At Alpha Trion's urging, the Primes allowed Onyx and Liege Maximo into their alliance. When the time of battle came, Nexus wished to join his followers in combat but remained behind at Solus's urging. After the [[Titan (group)|Titans]] arrived, Onyx leapt into the fray only to recognize the enemy commander as his old friend Megatronus. Nexus was shocked at this development, before the eight Primes joined forces. In the aftermath, [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]] expressed the belief that the alliance would attract Nexus's brother to him. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Unbeknownst to the Primes, the 'bot they believed to be Onyx Prime was in fact a time-travelling Shockwave from ten million years in the future who had engineered the entire conflict to bring the Primes together as history recorded. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

[[File:RID34 enigma of combination.jpg|thumb|left|250px|My Enigma don't go to none if they're lowborn, hun.]]

Power turned Nexus into something of a git really, believing that all non-Primes should serve their Prime masters. {{storylink|The Crucible}} Among the members of his court was a [[Titan Master]] by the name of [[Infinitus]], who wholeheartedly believed in his master's elitist approach to social engineering. {{storylink|White Heat}} The Thirteen Primes ruled their planet peacefully until Liege Maximo and Megatronus conspired together, goaded on by Shockwave's machinations, and started the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]] via the murder of Solus Prime. While Megatronus fled Cybertron, Nexus and [[Quintus Prime|Quintus]] managed to restrain Maximo, before trying and exiling him aboard [[Vigilem]]. {{storylink|Heavy}} {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

Nexus allied himself with "Onyx Prime" during the war and used his [[Enigma of Combination]] to create the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]]: humanoid Transformers combined with beasts. {{storylink|The Crucible}} [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] found the whole concept disgusting and single-handedly slaughtered the Headmasters before coming after Nexus himself. Nexus sneered that Galvatron was a "lowborn" that couldn't kill him, and Galvatron responded by doing just that. The realization that a Prime could be killed by someone other than another Prime caused most of the remaining Primes to flee the planet. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

He was survived by Infinitus, who vowed to keep his master's teachings alive and eventually apply them to all of Cybertron–especially the parts about forced servitude to the Primes. {{storylink|White Heat}} Nexus's [[Titan (group)|Titan]], [[Devisiun (Titan)|Devisiun]], also survived the war and colonized [[Devisiun (planet)|a planet]] in honor of his master which the younger Shockwave eventually seeded with [[Ore-5]]. {{storylink|Ceremony|The Lost Colonies of Cybertron}}
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====''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons====
[[Victorion]] claimed to only follow the will of Nexus Prime, though she admitted he hadn't given her any new guidance in some time. {{storylink|Desperate Actions}}

====''Power of the Primes'' marketing material====
Nexus Prime's [[Spark]] passed into the possession of one of the twelve [[Prime Master]]s; hidden within a suit of decoy armor, they safeguarded the abilities of the Primes until the present day. By uniting with a larger Transformer, the Prime Master could channel the powers of Nexus's Spark and grant them unique abilities that varied with each new partner. {{storylink|Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes}}

{{note|For a list of every permutation of Nexus Prime's abilities, see [[Prime Master/Combinations|this link]].}}

====2019 IDW continuity====
[[File:SeaOfRustI-NexusPrime.jpg|left|thumb|200px|]]
Nexus Prime, the holder of the Enigma of Combination, was one of the Thirteen Primes. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Sea of Rust I|Sea of Rust I}} It was said that Primus had created Nexus as a being of controlled chaos, introducing necessary change into Cybertronian society to prevent stagnation. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Enigmatic|Enigmatic}}

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===''Cyberverse'' cartoon===
Nexus Prime was one of the [[Thirteen]]. {{storylink|Dweller In The Depths (Cyberverse)|Dweller In The Depths}} {{storylink|Silent Strike}} {{storylink|The Other One}}

Nexus Prime eventually passed, being buried with all of his worldly possessions on another planet. Following the [[Quintesson]] invasion of Cybertron, [[Grimlock (Cyberverse)|Grimlock]] and [[Arcee (Cyberverse)|Arcee]] grave-robbed him. {{storylink|The Immobilizers}}

===''One'' film===
{{voiceactor|[[Manuel Pérez]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}
[[File:NexusPrime-TFOnecardcropped.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Sure hope nobody stabs me in my back.]]
One of the original Thirteen Primes, Nexus Prime ruled alongside his fellows until the [[Quintesson]]s invaded Cybertron. When the Primes were directed by [[Sentinel Prime (One)|Sentinel]] to a meeting of Quintesson generals, they found it an ambush. Despite being caught off-guard, the Primes managed to turn the tide of the battle before Sentinel betrayed them, stabbing Nexus and using his weapon to slay several of the Primes. Fifty cycles later, the spirits of the Primes appeared before Orion Pax when he was bestowed the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and became [[Optimus Prime (One)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|Transformers One (film)|One}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
At the dawn of history, Nexus Prime received the [[Enigma of Combination]]. Some historical texts instead remembered him instead as "Nexus Maximus". {{storylink|The Enigma of Combination}}

==Toys==
===''Cybertron'', ''Classics'', and ''Timelines''===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-NexusMaximus.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Remember to use the instructions! You don't want to put something in the wrong hole.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|[[Skyfall (Cybertron)#Cybertron|Skyfall]] ([[2005]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|[[Landquake (Timelines)#Timelines|Landquake]] ([[2006]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|[[Breakaway (Classics)#Classics|Breakaway]] ([[2007]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|[[Topspin (Classics)#Classics|Topspin]] ([[2008]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-sd|[[Heatwave (Timelines)#Timelines|Heatwave]] ([[2009]])}}</ul>
{{toydesigner|[[Dan Khanna]] (concept artist)}}

:Nexus Maximus is composed of his five team members, with Heatwave forming his central body component. His limbs' [[energon weapon]]s form his hands and feet. Conisisting of [[redeco]]s of components of the ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' combiners, Nexus Maximus, just like [[Superion Maximus]], [[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Bruticus Maximus]], and [[Constructicon Maximus]], features universal connection points for the limbs, allowing many different combinations and even swapping of limbs from different teams, in a fashion very similar to ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'''s "[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#1986 (Scramble City and Transformers 2010)|Scramble City]]"-type combiner teams. Unlike the other Maximus-style combiners, Nexus Maximus features four unique molds for his limb pieces, rather than two redecoed to fit both the legs and arms, due to him using both [[Destruction Team]] and [[Air Team]] molds. Whereas the individual components' robot modes still feature the same head sculpts as the ''Energon'' figures they're redecoed from, the combined form of Nexus Maximus himself was given an entirely new, unique head sculpt, which is an amalgamation of visual elements of its components' own heads: Skyfall's eyes, Landquake's chin, Breakaway's forehead, Topspin's "mohawk", and Heatwave's "ears".

:Nexus Maximus is the combined form of the first five [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] freebie toys, which were released over the span of five years.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/TFCCNexusMaximus/nexusmaximus.htm More information on Nexus Maximus at TFU.info]''
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===''Power of the Primes''===
[[File:TF-PotP-SDCC-2018-Throne-of-the-Primes-Nexus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
<ul class = "iconlist>{{Bp-m1|'''Throne of the Primes''' (Leader Class, [[2018]])}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number'': '''PP-43'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[January 26]], [[2019]]
{{toydesigner|[[Marcelo Matere]] (throne designer, packaging artist)}}

:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' Nexus Prime is a retool of the [[Alchemist Prime#Power of the Primes|Alchemist Prime]]/[[Submarauder (G1)#Power of the Primes|Submarauder]] inner robot with a new [[Prime Master]] sigil/backpack, packaged in the [[Throne of the Primes#Toys|Throne of the Primes]] set.

:This toy has identical features to the other Prime Masters in the line. The [[Titan Master]]-like robot can store inside decoy armor or ride [[Size class|Legends Class]] figures in vehicle mode, and is fully compatible with toys from the previous ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' line. The "Power Swap" gimmick means its [[spark]] form can plug onto any decoy armor's weapon form (which has a [[5 mm post]] to be held by larger figures), Deluxe Class figures' chest armor, Voyager Class figures' bucklers, Leader Class figures' [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Power of the Primes|Matrix]] (in place of their Matrix core), [[combiner]]s' torsos (in place of their [[Enigma of Combination]]), or the included [[Scepter of Sparks]] or [[Halo of Primus]] accessories. With the power of [[you]]r imagination, this bestows the Prime Master's [[Prime Master/Combinations|unique power]] on the larger figure.

:While Nexus is a retool of Alchemist Prime (gang-molded with his included Submarauder decoy armor), it is unknown what gang-molded decoy armor Nexus would have had as a hypothetical mass-retail Prime Master.

:This set debuted at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2018, and was later sold via [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] online. It was also available at general retail in Taiwan.
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==Notes==
*It's hard to say what toyline Nexus Prime is from, as his components are from multiple franchises. The only other time this has happened since then was [[Orthia]].
*Nexus Prime's backstory bears a noticeable similarity to that of {{w|Voltron}}.
*Fun Publications stated at [[BotCon 2009]] that the official limb arrangement for Nexus Prime is that of the configuration in his instructions. With Landquake as the right arm, Breakaway as the left arm, Topspin as the right leg, and Skyfall as the left leg. Why he was depicted in a different arrangement in the caverns around the [[Caretaker]] no one knows.
*Ironically, despite being labeled as an Autobot, a majority of the Transformers that make up Nexus Prime are Decepticons, albeit ones that are [[Landquake (Timelines)|disenchanted by the Decepticon cause]], [[Topspin (Classics)|misled by deceitful leaders]], or [[Heatwave (Timelines)|a completely different kind of Decepticon]].
*Nexus Prime's TFCC magazine profile mentions that he "no longer has an [[alternate mode]]", due to being split apart for so long and then reassembled.
*With his components released one at a time, one per year, he's the combiner toy it took the longest to complete in an official capacity.
*Like other members of the Thirteen, Nexus was originally established as a [[multiversal singularity]] who existed as one being across all space and time, but that is [[Shroud|no longer the case]].

===Naming issues===
[[Fun Publications]] originally submitted the possible names '''Prime Nexus''' and '''Maximus Prime''' to [[Hasbro]] for the character (reflecting the fact that the character is a Prime in-fiction), Hasbro rejected these, apparently because they were feeling protective towards the use of the name Prime (despite previously having approved the fiction that named him a Prime, written by their own [[Forest Lee]]). Hasbro suggested merging the non-Prime segments of the two names instead... oops.

Apparently neither Hasbro nor Fun Publications did their research when naming Nexus Maximus, because there is another product which shares that name and was, as of [[May 24]], [[2009]], the top Google result (websites relating to this character have since surpassed it). While it is definitely a "toy", it is most assuredly not intended for ages 5 and up. According to the Fun Publications Club panel at [[BotCon 2009]], Hasbro did a search for the name with "safe search" on, causing them to not see... well, [http://www.edenfantasys.com/dildos/double-ended-dildos/nexus-maximus this]. '''NOTE: DEFINITELY NOT SAFE FOR WORK.'''

When he finally appeared in fiction his name was in fact given as Nexus Prime, which makes much better sense story-wise but deprives us of many cheap and easy joke opportunities. [[Pete Sinclair]] posted an image on the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] forums of [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]] blaming the "Nexus Maximus" name on a bad translation by [[Beta Maxx (RID)|Beta Maxx]]<ref>[https://tilallaremine.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/nexus-prime/ Definitely, definitely, *not* Nexus Maximus. Timelines Nexus Prime!] from 'Til All Are Mine blog. </ref>.

(The debate is still on as to whether Nexus Maximus constitutes a choking hazard.)

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Nexus Prime''' (ネクサスプライム ''Nekusasu Puraimu'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Jīng Tiān Wěi''' (经天纬)

==Gallery==
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File:NexusPrimeDanKhannaConcept.jpg|''Timelines'' concept art
File:One-Nexus-Prime.jpg|''Transformers One'' character model
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==References==
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Thirteenth Prime

2025-03-20T13:16:02Z

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{{disambig3|Thirteen}}
[[File:TheVisionary.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.4|After years of neglect from the [[X-Men]] writers, Chamber began moonlighting as a Transformers character.]]

The '''Thirteenth Prime''', also known simply as '''''Thirteen''''', or '''13''', is the last of the [[Thirteen|original epic warriors]] of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Cloaked in mystery even more than his fellow [[Prime (rank)|Primes]], this warrior's legacy is carried forwards in the present day by those who wield the [[Matrix of Leadership]].

==Fiction==
===Aligned continuity family===
{{main|Optimus Prime (WFC)}}
The Thirteenth Prime was '''Optimus Prime''', the mediator and visionary of the Primes, who united them by being the first of their number to raise a hand in greeting. After the Thirteen were torn apart by internal conflict, Optimus chose to be reborn as an ordinary Cybertronian through the [[Well of All Sparks]], losing memory of his past and becoming known as '''Orion Pax'''. Pax would eventually take up the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to become Optimus Prime once again, and—after sacrificing his life to restore Cybertron—rejoined his brethren in the [[Realm of the Primes]], where they trained him for a mission to Earth in order to defeat his fallen brother [[The Fallen|Megatronus]].

===2005 IDW continuity===
[[File:OP18 The Arisen.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|"This outfit makes you want to lurk in the shadows, waiting for a turn in the spotlight."]]
{{main|The Arisen}}
The Thirteenth Prime—whose name was eventually forgotten, with Cybertron remembering him only as '''the Arisen'''—was one of the leaders of the [[Thirteen Tribes]], who came together with his fellow Primes in [[Crystal City]] to build a new civilization. Millions of years later, the [[Mistress of Flame]] would come to believe that [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]] was the Arisen, a belief that Optimus exploited to affect change on [[Earth]]; and [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]] named Optimus as the Arisen while in the guise of [[Onyx Prime]]. At the end of his life, Optimus would claim to be the Arisen but perish before he could explain the statement. Later on however, [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]] would come to the conclusion that the Arisen's true name hadn't mattered compared to the heroic legacy he'd left behind.

===''Titans Return'' cartoon===
{{main|Sentinel Prime (G1)}}
During the clash between [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]], the [[Mistress of Flame]] prayed to '''Sentinel Prime''' and the other Primes, asking for his wisdom to help them solve the crisis. {{storylink|Overlord and Emissary}}

===''Power of the Primes'' marketing material===
The [[Prime Master]] of '''the Thirteenth''' formed the core of the [[Matrix of Leadership]], which selected [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimal Optimus]] as its bearer. {{storylink|Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Power of the Primes|Throne of the Primes packaging}}

===''Cyberverse'' cartoon===
{{main|Optimus Prime (Cyberverse)}}
In a darker timeline, '''Optimus Prime''' was slain in his initial confrontation with [[Megatron X (Cyberverse)|Megatron]] and his spirit came to rest as the Thirteenth Prime within the accumulated wisdom of the Matrix of Leadership. When the Matrix was stolen away to another universe and pierced by a psychic shard of the native [[Windblade (Cyberverse)|Windblade]], Optimus' spirit guided her to destroy the Matrix so she could save her own universe. Optimus was presumably laid to rest for good when Windblade followed his orders and destroyed the talisman from within. {{storylink|The Other One}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
When the [[Matrix of Leadership]] merged with [[Optimus Prime (G1)#2019 IDW continuity|Orion Pax]], its [[Mediator]] program explained that, although the talisman had been carried by a number of Cybertronians over the years, they were but stewards until the Matrix found the Thirteenth Prime, its true bearer. {{storylink|War World: Prime|Prime}}

===''One'' film===
{{main|Zeta Prime (One)}}
The Thirteenth Prime was '''Zeta Prime''', the first bearer of the Matrix of Leadership. After many years fighting against the [[Quintesson#One film|Quintessons]], Zeta and his brethren were lured into a trap by their aide [[Sentinel Prime (One)|Sentinel]], who had betrayed them to their enemies. Sentinel personally killed Zeta with [[Nexus Prime]]'s gun and took the Matrix from his corpse, only for it to crumble in his hands, [[Primus]] having deemed Sentinel unworthy. Zeta's spirit would eventually appear to [[Optimus Prime (One)|Orion Pax]] within Cybertron's core, he and his fellow Primes bearing witness to Orion's reformatting as the Matrix's newest bearer, Optimus Prime.

===''Age of the Primes'' marketing material===

The Thirteenth Prime was '''Star Optimus Prime''', bearer of the [[Zodiac|Zodiac orb]] and "guiding light" of the Primes. {{storylink|Cybertron Con 2024|Age of the Primes reveal panel}} He was amongst the first generation of Transformers created by [[Primus]], with all subsequent generations flowing from he and his siblings{{'}} [[Energon bloodline]]s. Eons later, a young [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] was granted immense size and power by the Zodiac orb to become Star Optimus Prime in the present day. {{storylink|Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Age of the Primes|''Age of the Primes'' Star Optimus Prime bio}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Forged to Fight''===
[[File:ForgedtoFight-13.jpg|thumb|sorry these days I go by "bestest number one"]]

[[The Fallen|Megatronus]] immediately recognized [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] as '''13''', a fellow original Prime, and asked him to accept the truth of his past. Optimus Prime didn't really seem to understand what Megatronus was talking about. {{storylink|Transformers: Forged to Fight|Forged to Fight}}

===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
{{Main|Nova Prime}}
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==Toys==
===''Power of the Primes''===
[[File:POTP-SDCC-2018-Throne-of-the-Primes-Thirteenth-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|[[Optimal Situation|"This Matrix has the spark with it!"]]]]
<ul class = "iconlist">{{Bp-m1|'''Throne of the Primes''' (Leader Class, [[2018]])}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''PP-43'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[January 26]], [[2019]]
{{toydesigner|[[Marcelo Matere]] (throne designer, packaging artist)}}

:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' "The Thirteenth" is a retool of the [[Vector Prime#Power of the Primes|Vector Prime]]/[[Metalhawk (G1)#Power of the Primes|Metalhawk]] inner robot, replacing that toy's blue parts with newly molded parts based on [[Prima#Marvel Comics continuity|Prima]]'s appearance in the Marvel Generation 1 comic, packaged in the [[Throne of the Primes#Toys|Throne of the Primes]] set.

:This toy has identical features to the other Prime Masters in the line. The [[Titan Master]]-like robot can store inside decoy armor or ride [[Size class|Legends Class]] figures in vehicle mode, and is fully compatible with toys from the previous ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' line. The "Power Swap" gimmick means its [[spark]] form can plug onto any decoy armor's weapon form (which has a [[5 mm post]] to be held by larger figures), Deluxe Class figures' chest armor, Voyager Class figures' bucklers, Leader Class figures' [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Power of the Primes|Matrix]] (in place of their Matrix core), [[combiner]]s' torsos (in place of their [[Enigma of Combination]]), or the included [[Scepter of Sparks]] or [[Halo of Primus]] accessories. With the power of [[you]]r imagination, this bestows the Prime Master's [[Prime Master/Combinations|unique power]] on the larger figure.

:This set debuted at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2018, and was later sold via [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] online. It was also available at general retail in Taiwan.
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===''Age of the Primes''===
[[File:AOTPTitanStarConvoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|And why don't we rewrite the stars? Changin' the world to be ours]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-pr13|'''Star Optimus Prime''' (Titan Class, [[2025]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories:'' [[Micro Trailer#Age of the Primes|MT-13 Micro Trailer]], 2-part [[Roller (G1)#Age of the Primes|tread unit]], rifle, ammo clip, Energon bullet, swivel turret/blaster, [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#StarOptimusPrime|Matrix]]/hilt, shoulder cannons, [[Zodiac#Age of the Primes|Zodiac orb]], 14 [[Fire Blast effect|blast effects]]
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro), [[Shuhei Umezu]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref name ="Cybertron Con 2024">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjmcMC9nNoA Transformers Age of the Primes Reveal | Dive into the Legacy of the Thirteen Primes | Hasbro Pulse] with [[Mark Maher]] and [[Nate Purswell]]</ref>

:The ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]]'' incarnation of the Thirteenth Prime is Titan Class "[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Age of the Primes|Star Optimus Prime]]," a full, proper update of the original [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Return of Convoy|Star Convoy]] figure, turning into a large truck with a wheeled cab and treaded trailer and a base almost identical to the design of the original. He comes packaged with a rifle evoking the design of the original's "Galaxy Bomber," as well as 2 removable pairs of shoulder turrets, a second smaller turret, and a "sword hilt" adapter doohickey resembling the [[Silver Matrix]] included with the ''[[Generations Selects (toyline)|Generations Selects]]'' iteration of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Generations Selects|Star Convoy]], all 5 mm port compatible. The rifle and turret can combine with the hilt to form a longer rifle, reproducing the "Big Bang Cannon" configuration of the ''Selects'' figure. A removable Energon bullet is included that can store in the gun, in homage to the bounteous bullet casings flying in [[Ban Magami]]'s [[:File:Star Base Attack.jpg|original ''TV Magazine'' illustrations]].<ref name = "Cybertron Con 2024"/> The hilt/Matrix is stored in the back of one of the legs when not in use, while the guns are simply attached to the roof of the trailer. Like most past Titans, Star Optimus Prime also includes multiple Fire Blast effects, though he comes with more sets than others. The hilt can connect to any of them and be wielded by Optimus as a flaming sword. Lastly, the figure comes with a small Zodiac orb that serves as his [[Artifacts of the Primes|Artifact]], and is accordingly marked with his personal emblem. The Zodiac can store in his chest as seen in ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (story page)|The Battlestars]]'' story pages. The hilt can be used as a dias to center the otherwise-dwarfed Zodiac within the chest cavity.<ref>[https://www.instagram.com/p/DFOshCXs2gV/ Part II] of [[Hasbro]] designer [[Mark Maher]]'s design notes on ''Age of the Primes'' Star Optimus Prime, on Instagram</ref>

:As with the original figure, Star Optimus Prime comes with a [[Micromaster]] version of [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Age of the Primes|Hot Rod]] and a [[Micro Trailer]] to transport him. The vehicle's cab can be lifted up to expose a pair of cannons, and it can be equipped with the turret and one of the shoulder cannons to serve as a battle platform for Hot Rod resembling the battle station of [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#G1RodimusPrime|the original Rodimus Prime toy]]. This battle station, sans the turret, is meant to be added to the base mode. The Micro Trailer is labeled as "MT-13," both because it comes with the Thirteenth Prime, and in reference to the original Star Convoy coming with the fourteenth, unnumbered entry in ''Return of Convoy''{{'}}s assortment of Micro Trailers whose numbering stopped at MT-12.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=When I realized that Microtrailer 13 was the natural next number for the trailer I realized it was all truly meant to be. What a wild ride. I love Transformers!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/DFElvtSsqoe/|site=Instagram reel|name=Mark Maher|year=2025|month=01|day=20}}</ref> The Micro Trailer can store inside one of the figure's legs, while Hot Rod fits his chest cavity (easily cohabitating with the Zodiac). A "tread unit" intended to be a new version of [[Roller (G1)|Roller's]] "[[Roller (G1)#Return of Convoy|Micro Carrier]]" form is also included in the form of the 2-piece, [[A.I.R. Lock System|A.I.R. Lock]]-compatible, ramp assembly for the base mode, which can store on the back of the legs. Roller can be equipped with the turret as well.

:Notably, Star Optimus Prime is smaller than his Titan Class predecessors, standing at a mere 15 inches. This coincides with the price decrease of Titans from $199.99 USD to $149.99 USD.

::*''Designer commentary on ''Age of the Primes'' Star Optimus Prime from Mark Maher on Instagram:''
::**''[https://www.instagram.com/p/DFElvtSsqoe/ Part I]''
::**''[https://www.instagram.com/p/DFOshCXs2gV/ Part II]''
::*''[[Source:Transformers Age of the Primes bios#AOTP10|Machine translation of Star Optimus Prime's TakaraTomy bio]]''
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==Notes==
[[File:Prima.jpg|right|thumb|"Identity theft is not a joke, ''Jim''!"]]
*The "Multiversal" Thirteen established by [[Fun Publications]] in [[Ask Vector Prime]] do not seem to have an especially significant thirteenth member.
*The Prime Master of The Thirteenth is visually based on [[Prima]] as he appeared in the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel ''Transformers'' comics]].
*It's not entirely explicit what's going on with The Thirteenth in ''Power of the Primes'', but context clues ''seem'' to indicate that he's in some way the embodiment of the Matrix of Leadership itself: he isn't mentioned in the description of the [[Halo of Primus]], which only mentions the "12 Prime Masters", but shows The Thirteenth as the core of the Matrix, and the exclusive Prime Master collector card marked with his symbol only describes how the Matrix has chosen Optimal Optimus to lead Cybertron into a new era.<ref>The description of the Halo also mentions that "the powers of [[Primus]] are united as one", but whether this means as one bearer or as one Prime Master is left frustratingly vague.</ref> This would seem to line up with comments made by [[Hasbro]] representatives at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2017 that the Thirteenth Prime ''was'' whoever bore the Matrix of Leadership.
*''Age of the Primes'' is similarly light on details, with Hasbro characterizing Star Optimus Prime as created at the dawn of time with the other Primes via inclusion in the line's [[Energon bloodline|"descendant" gimmick]] while TakaraTomy employed a version of the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#The Battlestars manga and story pages|original Star Convoy{{'}}s]] characterization as a modern-day Optimus Prime upgraded by the Zodiac in the [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]. Little attempt is made to bridge the two, though the most straightforward {{w|Marvel No-Prize|No-Prize}} is some iteration of [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Aligned Optimus Prime]]{{'}}s reincarnation schtick.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''The Thirteen''' (ザ・サーティーン ''Za Sātīn'')

==References==
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Origin Matrix

2025-03-18T21:18:26Z

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[[File:ShatteredBalance Origin Matrix.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
The '''Origin Matrix''' is an ancient and powerful artifact. More than that, it forms part of the even more powerful [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]]. When the sword was shattered into five pieces, the Origin Matrix was hidden somewhere in the [[Multiverse]].

==Fiction==
===Fun Publications===
[[File:Origin Matrix Invasion Epilogue.jpg|thumb|left]]
To keep [[Prima]]'s powerful [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]] out of the hands of the evil [[The Fallen|Megatronus]], [[Solus Prime]] used her [[Forge of Solus Prime|forge]] to shatter the blade into five pieces, one of which was the Origin Matrix. The Origin Matrix was then hidden on prehistoric Earth of [[Primax -408.24 Epsilon]], after which [[Vector Prime]] placed a time lock on the local spacetime so that no one could access the Matrix. The [[Vok]], already conducting one of their experiments there, were entrusted with guarding the Matrix. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/05/18}}

When two ships were detected passing into the [[Primax -408.24 Epsilon]] [[universal stream]] during a particular time period, it was of particular concern to the [[Transcendent Technomorph|TransTechs]], as it happened to be the location in which the Origin Matrix was hidden. [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]] was recruited to travel there and locate the Matrix before it fell into the wrong hands. {{storylink|Invasion: Epilogue}}

Arriving on prehistoric [[Earth]], Depth Charge joined up with a small group of [[Autobot]]s who had originated in the [[Primax 207.0 Epsilon]] universal stream and persuaded them to help him search for the Origin Matrix. Their sensors eventually detected the Matrix's unique energy signature. {{storylink|Shattered Hope}} Depth Charge went to retrieve it alone, only to find it was heavily defended by [[Vok|alien]] security systems. He was soon joined by the other Autobots, now calling themselves Maximals, and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] was able to find and claim the Origin Matrix. After using it to scare off some bats, the Maximals were confronted by [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] in brand-spanking new [[Gigastorm Armor]]. {{storylink|Shattered Balance}} By inserting the Origin Matrix into his gun, Magnus created a dimensional gateway to the future and took the Origin Matrix through with him. {{storylink|Shattered Destiny}} He emerged on modern-day Cybertron, rendezvousing with [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]] and the local heroic Decepticons, {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 54|Transformers I.Q. trivia bonus #12}} and it was decided that he would hold onto the Matrix until Nexus Prime could arrive. {{storylink|Falling into Place}}
[[File:Origin Matrix Restoration.jpg|thumb]]
Magnus and his team subsequently traveled via [[stellar spanner]] to the dimensionally-displaced positive polarity Earth, whereupon his team joined [[Treadshot (SG)|Treadshot]]'s fight against evil Ultra Magnus. Negative polarity Ultra Magnus tried to stab his positive polarity counterpart in the spark, but then the [[Terminus Blade]] suddenly reacted with the Origin Matrix. {{storylink|Distant Fissures}} As the fellow [[Artifacts of the Primes]] refused to harm each other, the Matrix merely recharged the Blade. Evil Magnus took advantage of this distraction to get the jump on his counterpart, knocking the Origin Matrix out of his chest. Just as evil Magnus was about to deliver a finishing blow, however, the constituents of Nexus Prime arrived, used the Matrix to reform the Star Saber, and summarily defeated evil Magnus. {{storylink|Restoration}}
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==Toys==
===Timelines===
[[File:TCCSS1-UltraMammoth.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|]]
*'''Ultra Mammoth''' (Ultra Class, [[2012]])
**''TFSS1 number'': '''6'''
:The [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Timelines|Ultra Mammoth toy]] includes a removable Matrix toy accessory in vacuum-metalized sliver with a transparent blue center, a redeco of the [[Energon Matrix]] accessory included with [[Big Convoy#Beast Wars Neo|Big Convoy]]. This accessory can be held by any figure with standard 5mm fist holes, or stored in Ultra Mammoth's chest behind a flip-down panel. The instructions refer to the space in his chest as a "[[Dead Matrix]] annex," but the Matrix within is referred to as the [[Reconfiguration Matrix]] in packaging and was ultimately depicted by [[Beast Wars Shattered Glass|tie-in fiction]] as the '''Origin Matrix'''.

:Ultra Mammoth is one of the first six [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] [[exclusive]] figures to be offered via the [[Transformers Figure Subscription Service|Figure Subscription Service]] in 2013.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Maximal/TFCCUltraMammoth/ultramammoth.htm More information on Ultra Mammoth at TFU.info]''

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===''Age of the Primes''===
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<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-pr1|'''Prima Prime''' (Voyager Class, 2025)}}</ul>
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro), [[Yūya Ōnishi]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref name=AOTPreveal>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjmcMC9nNoA Transformers Age of the Primes Reveal | Dive into the Legacy of the Thirteen Primes | Hasbro Pulse] with [[Mark Maher]] and [[Nate Purswell]]</ref>
''[[Age of the Primes]]'' [[Prima#Age_of_the_Primes|Prima Prime]] includes a recolor of the Matrix accessory included with ''[[Earthrise]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations_toys#War_for_Cybertron:_Earthrise|Optimus Prime]] in a deco based on the [[Origin Matrix]] as it appeared in ''[[Restoration|Another Light, Part Four]]'', though it is referred to as the [[Matrix of Leadership]] in the figure's product description (and was even referred to as the Creation Matrix by designers<ref name=AOTPreveal/>). Much like the Origin Matrix or the ''Aligned'' continuity Matrix of Leadership, this Matrix can attach to the hilt of the included [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]] accessory or store inside an opening chest compartment on Prima himself via 5mm pegs.
::*''[https://www.instagram.com/p/DDYFD0uxHq_/ Designer commentary on Prima Prime from Mark Maher on Instagram]''
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==Notes==
*The concept of the Origin Matrix evolved out of the backstory the creatives at [[HasLab (Hasbro department)|HasLab]] developed for Prima and his Star Saber circa 2009. As detailed in the [[Binder of Revelation]], the original idea was that the jewel on the hilt on the Saber became the [[Matrix of Leadership]] after the sword was shattered. But that was fundamentally incompatible with the idea of Prima and his sword being [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]] (since there are infinite different Matrices of Leadership across the multiverse, not just one), so in 2012, [[Fun Publications]] retroactively created the "Origin Matrix" to fulfil the role of "the Matrix from the Saber's hilt" for the "singularity version" of Prima. The original idea of the Matrix of Leadership being the gem from the sword, meanwhile, was fulfilled in the [[Aligned continuity family]], and from there, proliferated to other stories, like the [[2005 IDW continuity]].
*The Origin Matrix's exact appearance is fairly inconsistent. The Matrix accessory included with Ultra Mammoth is simply a redeco of Big Convoy's Energon Matrix in silver with a blue core. However, when it made its fictional debut in ''Invasion: Epilogue'', the Origin Matrix was depicted as having silver handles, a blue casing, and a white core. When it next showed up in ''Shattered Balance'', it was instead depicted as gold with a red core like Big Convoy's original Energon Matrix. In ''Distant Fissures'', the Matrix visible inside Ultra Mammoth's chest was now in toy-accurate colors. Finally, ''Restoration'' would depict it with an entirely different design closer to the original Generation 1 Matrix of Leadership but keeping the silver deco and blue core, with the very next panel further stylizing the shape of the Matrix.

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[[Category:Matrices]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass]]
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==Galen Witwicky==
Interesting that you think she's an Earthling... --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 20:24, 17 March 2015 (EDT)
:Well, "Galen Witwicky", so I assumed. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:38, 17 March 2015 (EDT)
::I'm wagering that this involves a human/Nebulon interspecies relationship! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:43, 17 March 2015 (EDT)

==E-Hobby Starscream==
You guys share links from seibertron but if I want to share it from deviantart, that's bad? I mean the user that published those pages in deviantart is E-Hobby's official user page.(I think).--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 11:36, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
:It's not e-Hobby that's putting those pages on DeviantArt. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:16, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
::Hmm ok then, but still Seibertron is a fan site too, right?--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 12:16, 31 March 2015 (EDT)

==Joke about Legends Arcee==
If my joke offend you or simply not funny, sorry about that. I'm just joking about sexist tendencies of Japanese culture. In fact, most famous and badass woman transformer only doing cook and wipe Rattrap's ass in this comic.—[[User:MWM|MWM]] ([[User talk:MWM|talk]]) 11:01, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
:Don't worry, I'm not angry. I got what you meant with the joke, but it was still iffy, since it's hard for a reader to tell if it's serious or a criticism of the comic. I appreciate that you took the time to uploaded the image! [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:12, 21 March 2015 (EDT)

== 3-D Diorama? ==
Say, where did you find these? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:30, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
:[http://www.tf-base.ru/comics_manga.html] [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:32, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
::Thanks![[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:50, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
::Ugh...they're all CBR files my computer can't access. Thanks for the link thought. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:50, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
:::They're just renamed rar files. Change the file extension to .rar and upzip them [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:39, 9 April 2015 (EDT)

== Magmatron ==

Thanks for the back up there. I THOUGHT I remembered it being the standard but didn't want to remove it without checking so I just cleaned up the grammar. Might possibly be put on the page for the toyline itself, but not sure if it is really worth noting.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:30, 28 April 2015 (EDT)

== About the Hero Mashers ==

So I guess while you were putting them where they would go, BotCon's official Andromeda's Facebook page went ahead and made it a seperate cluster from anything before. [https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1128571057169997&id=1099425733417863] [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:51, 10 May 2015 (EDT)

== Sequel series = splinter timelines? ==

Can you show me where this piece of information comes from? I have never heard of this idea before; doesn't it nullify the entire concept of continuities? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:10, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
:I'm not saying I necessarily agree with this interpretation, but it doesn't nullify continuity. Series A happens, then series B happens as a sequel to A. A is definitely the past of B, but that doesn't mean B is the future of A. We have several instances of this happening, notably the Marvel G1 continuity. G2, A Distant Time & Place, Regeneration One, and Classics are all explicitly sequels to Marvel US G1, but are mutually incompatible. Hell, Beast Wars (the cartoon) was implicitly a sequel to both Marvel US G1 AND the Sunbow Cartoon. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 13:21, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
::So then the U.S. ''Cybertron'' cartoon is not part of [[Aurex 802.23 Alpha]]? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:23, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
:::It is when it is. The events of the US cartoon are completely relevant -if not fundamental- to the rest of the events on this page. Universal streams are not completely separate timelines. They blend and weave into each other and flow from larger sources, like, you know, '''streams'''. A single cartoon can be part of multiple streams AND its own all at the same time. I swear, people just look at "OOH NUMBERS" and forget the accompanying text that gives context to the numbers, and trip over themselves to be soooooooo clever in splitting up shit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:33, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
::::Well said. And let's be wary of letting the tail wag the dog here. The primary source text should always be, well, primary. Or, in other words, which are you going to believe, your own eyes or something that was published in code in a source book (or in a Japanese Manga with a print run in the hundreds or the like.)--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 13:47, 15 May 2015 (EDT)

== Mandarin Names ==

Hello, thanks for adding information. However, please do change the spelling for Taiwanese Mandarin Name because the spelling in Taiwan is different from the Hanyu Pinyin in China. Thanks. :D --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:17, 24 May 2015 (EDT)

== Universal streams ==

Looks like we're both working on the same parts of the wiki at the same time. I'll take a break, I have homework anyway. Thanks for fixing up my code. I appreciate the help. (Even if I think you're wrong about Zarak.) --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 18:47, 26 June 2015 (EDT)

== List of characters whose dimensional classification is unknown ==

There's also [[Gaiacross]] and his components. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:07, 27 June 2015 (EDT)

== Shell Game characters ==

If this wiki now accepts that RID Optimus-redeco [[Defensor (OTFCC)|Defensor]] is [[Viron]], then is it alright to do the same to the other "[[Shell Game]]" universe characters? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:36, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

==Regeneration One==

Regeneration One is explicitly a sequel to Marvel G1 continuity and belongs sequentially after it in write-ups. That's how the stories are presented, that's how it was branded, that's how the creators want it, and that's how we've written it up. If you want to rearrange things, make a case on a relevant talk page.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 08:44, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
:You're really imperious for somebody who just started editing two months ago. ("How the creators want it"? Do you have personal correspondence with Furman on wiki organization?) None of the pages you've reverted actually contain Marvel US G1, which Regeneration One is a sequel to. You are linking together fiction that has nothing to do with each other in regard to those characters. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:01, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
::Sorry, I didn't realize that my tenure wasn't long enough to disagree with a six-month veteran like yourself. It's bizarre to not acknowledge that ReGeneration One and Marvel UK don't spring from the same tree and put leagues of fiction between them. And, if I'm "imperious," what are you? You're constantly changing around organizational elements with no discussion, based on whatever new scheme you've come up with. For someone whose been here well under a year, you certainly have strong opinions. I at least lurked for a long while to get the culture. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 15:03, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
:::There's a difference between disagreement and acting like the authority on wiki organization and article writeups because apparently you're the only one who lurked. "Organizational elements" have frequently changed based on users' whims; section reorganization isn't anything new and the last major one was done purely by two users without input from others. In regards to MUK and RG1, it's not the job of character pages to establish points of continuity that aren't relevant to the actual subject of the article. The various versions of Jhiaxus have absolutely nothing to do with each other and putting them under one "continuity" is a ridiculous pretense with no benefit. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:26, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
::::Separating RG1 (and Classics) into their own sections would be a major change to a large number of pages and there's been no discussion about it. If you want to do it, there should be talk first so everyone else knows what's going on. [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 21:28, 11 August 2015 (GMT)
::::: And I've asked about it on http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Reorganising_Regeneration_One to see what people think. If it's ayes, then it's off to the edits! [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 23:15, 11 August 2015 (GMT)

==Characters with no confirmed universal origin==

Question... have we not specified [[Ramulus|Longhorn (Universe)]] and [[Sunstorm (Universe)]]? Just want to be sure I'm not missing something. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 14:26, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
:No, I just forgot to update. Sorry! [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:27, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
::Thank you, your list is a handy reference.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 14:34, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
Whilst this is being talked about, it's probably worth noting that RTS Strafe hasn't ''reeeaaaally'' had its universe confirmed - it was merged with G1 Strafe for some convoluted reason during the 'AOE Strafe is a counterpart of G1 Strafe' debacle and probably should've been unmerged after all that nonsense was undone. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:16, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
:I'm mostly fine with just assuming he's G1 based on context, but I'd send in a question if you want confirmation. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:30, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
Hey, Saix, should ''Universe'' 2003 [[Smokescreen (Cybertron)|Smokescreen (unreleased)]] be on your list as well? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:21, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

== BW Metals manga ==

Do you still have the BW Metals manga scans? The links on the talk page are dead. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] ([[User talk:FortMax|talk]]) 16:48, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
:[http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/0t4p8rcK/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/dWpVVb7v/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/ZXqkMXea/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/ch91fgKi/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/M6MwWTaV/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/jCLxuohn/file.html] [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:54, 14 September 2015 (EDT)

==Italics==
Hey, man, saw you unitalicizing [[Ask Vector Prime]]. I don't really care one way or the other, but I seem to see it italicized a lot. Is there a policy or system to this? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:06, 24 September 2015 (EDT)
:AVP isn't a work or a franchise, so it doesn't get italicized. It's something like {{w|Dear Abby}}—a column. Chicago style of editing says columns don't get either quotation marks or italics. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:13, 24 September 2015 (EDT)
::That's fine for me going forward. There's a LOT of AVP where it's in italics though. If you're ever feeling like a quest, rooting them all out might be worth doing. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:15, 24 September 2015 (EDT)

==Gong==
Knock it off. It's fine the way it is now. Stop reverting each other. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 12:43, 26 September 2015 (EDT)

You were right. I was wrong. Making all the Guardians and Renegades convinced me of that. I apologize to you for my childishness. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 13:01, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
:Not needed, but thank you nonetheless for the apology. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:30, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

== Stealth Bomber ==

I see that you put a redlink to [[Stealth Bomber]] on [[Stealth Saber]] and [[Victory Bomber]]'s pages. Did you intend that someone else would pick that redlink up to create a page for Stealth Bomber or did you think that Stealth Bomber didn't merit an individual page? I've wondered about such a thing as we have an individual page for RiD [[Dreadwing (RID)|Dreadwing]] but not for BWII [[Formation Scream]], G2 Megatron+Starscream, and G2 Dreadwing+Smokescreen. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:31, 27 October 2015 (EDT)
:I think it warrants a page, hence the link. I was just too lazy to make that page in particular. Formation Scream should also get its own page. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 08:57, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

== Disagreements ==

I saw what you wrote on the Community Portal. I can't speak for others but, though we often disagree, I do value your input and perspective. Also, it makes the times we do agree that much more meaningful. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:58, 2 November 2015 (EST)
:Speaking of, there's a contentious GoBots issue on Community Portal, should screen captures be included for character pages or not. I would be interested to hear you weigh in. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:07, 3 November 2015 (EST)

== Devisiun ==
I understand you may not like the speculative tone, but was it really necessary to also delete the plausible explanation that the secondary star may be encased in a [[wikipedia:dyson sphere|Dyson sphere]]? After all, the text clearly refer to a double star and one of the celestial body represented seems to produce a lot of light. (Besides having spot the same color than the "single" star of said same picture.) Damn... I was only trying to be thorough and objective. How could I contact Scott online so that the answer would be considered by this wiki? -- [[User:Xunk16|Xunk16]] ([[User talk:Xunk16|talk]]) 06:11, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:I'm not Saix, but to quote the [[Help:Contents|wiki's main help page]]: "Speculation to fill gaps should be minimized, and preferably eliminated entirely." It's fine to note the inconsistency, but an extended account of possible explanations is unnecessary. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 06:46, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:Understood. Thanks, I'll sleep better now. But I'm still going to run a Tranformers RPG campaign and feel that this question may deserve an answer. So the second part of my inquiry remains. Since I will try to ask, where and how such a thing should be done so that the information could validly be forwarded on this wiki? [[User:Xunk16|Xunk16]] ([[User talk:Xunk16|talk]]) 07:04, 16 December 2015 (EST)
::Scott has Twitter and Tumblr accounts you can engage her on. But, honestly? You're looking for complexity where there isn't any. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:08, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:::I have to agree. Most casual sci-fi fans don't know what Dyson spheres are, and the concept has never featured in ''Transformers'', as far as I'm aware. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 09:15, 16 December 2015 (EST)

== Your JG1 timeline list ==

Hey, that list on your user page is awesome and really helpful. Though, the Prime AM-28 Leo Prime bio also contains some JG1 info, set post-BWN before he jumps over to Uniend (or over to Gargent, then Nexus, then finally Uniend, as claimed by AVP, but I digress). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:36, 18 December 2015 (EST)
:Thanks for the reminder. I mostly constructed it so I would have something to check when organizating fiction sections. Let me know if I'm missing anything else. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:31, 18 December 2015 (EST)
::Will do. EDIT: Tale of the Pretenders is missing. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 14:53, 18 December 2015 (EST)
:The G1 GoBots thing might or might not come before Car Robots in a present day sense as the Spychangers came from the future anyway, so the GoBots bio would simply have to come before whatever point in time the Spychangers traveled back in time from. Though, given how things like Binaltech, RobotMasters, and Kiss Players all take place in the timeline at points contemporary to their releases in the real world, perhaps the G1 GoBots bio does as well, taking place somewhere in 2004 (in hindsight, I wish I had asked Sakamoto about this).
:On a different note, the bios for e-HOBBY New Years Lambor and Alert are missing, which should probably go after G-2 but before the two post-G-2 e-HOBBY manga. Also the bio for Magnificus and Ga'mede and the bio for Generations Magnificus, the latter of which would go prior to Badlands, while the former... somewhere years earlier (not sure where, though). And the bios for e-HOBBY Crosscut and Road Rage, which would most likely go after the Super Spychangers but before Binaltech. Any other missing e-HOBBY bios can be found [http://www.e-hobbymagazine.com/category/english/museun_en here] (barring those that lack links, that is). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 17:19, 22 April 2016 (EDT)

== Italics in establishment names ==

From what I've researched, I have to agree that establishment names aren't capitalized. However, that's how [[The Blue Deployer]] is rendered in the ''TransTech'' text stories. Think that's worth noting under "Errors"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:16, 19 December 2015 (EST)
:I guess. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:17, 19 December 2015 (EST)

== Just to avoid any edit wars over pastel horses... ==
I understand that the captions are about humor over anything else, but maybe the caption should at least be a ''little'' less confrontational in tone? I'm not against humor in the article itself, but that opening caption's not exactly ''good'' humor. It's more mean-spirited than simple jokeyness that this wiki thrives upon; so I decided that a joke about Bumblebee's kid-appeal nature (and thus perceptiveness to what's popular with kids) would be a bit less potentially divisive overall, and less likely to appear mean-spirited.

I expect that sort of tone in the articles for stuff like B.O.T, The Beast or Kiss Players, the really awful, terrible stuff we ''have'' to rip into pieces because of how bad they are, not an article on My Little Pony. It's kind of like opening, say, a Soundwave article by poking fun at his speech with a disabled joke in his first image caption because of his speech pattern; it's ''easy'' and can get a few laughs, but overall it's just not worth it because not everyone will find such jokes to be really funny. And above all else, I'd like to think that we as a community are above those sorts of cheap jokes just for a few laughs.

Not trying to come off as indignant here, honest. I'm just wondering if maybe the caption joke isn't really good in any capacity. And if a caption isn't funny, then really, we shouldn't defend it just because of longevity. We obviously need the funny to stay, but to ignore potentially valid points just for the sake of a joke seems...well, kind of odd for this Wiki. We're jokey, but nowhere unappropriate have I seen the wiki's captions actually being ''that'' harsh towards a subject.

It's also a jarring shift in tone to go from "Only the dead can know peace from this evil" as an opening caption to "Don't go looking for the Tooth Fairy without it!" as the next caption down the page. They're both aiming for humor, but one's more "Ha-ha look at this silly situation!" and the other is more "Ha-ha let's make a "ponies are evil" joke because it's teh funnies!".

Again, not wanting to look entitled; but I'm curious about why the edit was reverted so quickly. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2015 (EST)

== SPOILERS ==

Please remember to use the Spoiler warning template when adding new material. I just stumbled across information you added to [[Lio Convoy]] about [[Sunrise]] before I had a chance to read it. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 08:56, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:I apologize. I'll try to remember not to do that again. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:08, 8 January 2016 (EST)

== Moving images ==

Sorry about that. I thought it was a more efficient use of space to align the tops of the images with the headers. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:55, 12 January 2016 (EST)

==About Grimlock==
They're both from Viron universes, and both technically part of the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|2001 Robots in Disguise]] continuity.
Someone could be all like, "Wait, I though RID's Grimlock was a big green backhoe. Who's this Dinosaur?"
Imagine if there were two Optimus Primes in one continuity, even if they looked completely different, would it not be within reason to distinct the two from one another?{{unsigned|PsychoShark}}
:Your hypothetical is ridiculous. Explain to me the process in which this situation would arise. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:01, 25 January 2016 (EST)
:Plus the disambig link at the top already exists. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:05, 25 January 2016 (EST)

While going through my talk page, I noticed that PsychoShark mentioned that the [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Grimlock_(Dinobots)&diff=next&oldid=1048629 note] he added to [[Grimlock (Dinobots)]] was based on a similar note from [[Slapper (Dinobots)]]. Seeing as how we've deemed the other one unnecessary, I thought you might want to remove the one on Slapper's page. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 07:44, 7 February 2016 (EST)

== Universal origins list ==

If it's of interest to you for your user page list, I've seen that [[Nitpick]], [[Comet]], [[Beamer (G1)|Beamer]], [[NightViper]], [[Kickstart]], [[Heavyfoot]], [[Ironclad]], [[Fastbreak]], [[Aston]], [[Miss-Q]], "[[Kamen Rider Amazon]]", [[Time Limit]], [[Clutch (GoBots)|Clutch]], and [[Warpath (GoBots)|Warpath]] all have indeterminate cluster origin, albeit that they're all intentionally ambiguous and/or their origins are unlikely to ever be revisited. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:57, 27 January 2016 (EST)

== eptitle ==

With screencaps for episodes whose titles have been disambiguated, you can use the "eptitle" parameter to set the text of the link different from the actual link. For example, with [[Volcano (episode)]] from RID, you would put

'''<nowiki>{{RID2001cap|description.|Volcano (episode)|</nowiki>1|eptitle=Volcano}}'''.

Then, the link will show up like this:
[[Volcano (episode)|Volcano]]

Nice work on all that cleanup, by the way. Cheers! -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:33, 1 March 2016 (EST)

== Dinosaurs ==

Okay, examples to try and clarify:
*火星 means "Mars". The kanji, treated separately, are literally rendered as "Fire Planet", but still plainly mean "Mars". It's not just being used to "refer" to Mars, it's straight up the name the Japanese give to the celestial body the English call "Mars".
*固定電話 means "Landline Phone". The kanji, treated separately, render as "Hard-determined Electricity-talker".

As demonstrated in the dictionary entries I posted, Japanese dictionaries ''dont'' give readers the symbolic runaround that the Dinoforce pages were using -- they simply treat "Gairyuu" as the word for an Ankylosaurus. I suppose I may be being somewhat oversensitive, but choosing to render Japanese words in a symbolic breakdown like that, contrary to how it's intended to be interpreted, feels a lot like refusing to acknowledge that it even ''has'' words for these concepts, and feels kind of Tarzanesque? I don't feel it's removing information, since to a Japanese speaker, Gairyuu doesn't ''mean'' "Armored Dragon" -- it means Ankylosaurus, just like to an English speaker (or Greek, if you want), Ankylosaurus doesn't "fused lizard", it means a type of dinosaur with an armored back and club tail --fused lizard is just the root of the name.

In addition, while many Japanese names for Dinosaur use "ryuu" in a similar manner to how English uses "saur", "ryuu" itself does not mean dinosaur, nor are dinosaur called "ryuu" -- as with English, they are instead called "恐竜", or "Ferocious dragon". I mean, "-saur" would be a workable translation of "ryuu", no complaints, but as in English "saur" is used to refer to more than just dinosaurs (e.g. Pterosaurs, Plesiosaurs, etc.) And in fact, Pterosaurs and Plesiosaurs include 竜 in their Japanese rendering.

I definitely see the value in retaining the kanji meanings here, especially if that's a thing we're going to be doing with characters like Triceradon, too. But I think we should make it clear that those are the ''root'' of the names, rather than treating the Japanese names as if they don't have specific direct meanings that a Japanese speaker would recognize.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 01:11, 2 March 2016 (EST)

== Image of Comet ==

I see that you have uploaded good quality images from almost every Club story PDF. Is there any reason you haven't got the one of dead [[Comet]] in "[[Withered Hope]]"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:58, 15 March 2016 (EDT)

==Other Decepticons==
Why can't you just leave that link in, it works perfectly well, and dont forget they also are alchemor inmates. I dont see the problem with just having that there. - Junkheap117
:Stop fucking obsessing over this. They are not actual characters, and your overall antics are exhausting my patience. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:57, 21 March 2016 (EDT)

== Blackarachnia talk page ==

I understand talk pages are not chat rooms. The reason I posted that was because the article itself seems to question why the chest is transparent, so I thought that might explain it. I didn't just go and edit the page because I knew it would be undone. [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 21:03, 10 April 2016 (EDT)

== Being last seen ==

Here's my take, for what it's worth. A ''good'' write-up is not a list of things that happened one after the other. A good write-up is a story unto itself. It is the story of that character, and it should read as "complete". And when the cartoon or comic adventures of that character stops abruptly - when a character's final appearance is as a face in a crowd and they receive no personal "finale" - then it's the job of the write-up to note that they "were last seen"/"last appeared"/"made their final recorded appearance", etc, to bring that write-up's "story" to its end, instead of, essentially, just stopping in what reads as mid-story. The complete BWII write-up of the Autorollers just stops mid-story. It does not read as complete. At best, a reader's reaction is "Oh, huh, I guess that's it, then," instead of knowing that they are reading an end - but really, an less-informed reader has no reason to assume there isn't more just because there's isn't a stub saying so. We don't always have stubs! There shouldn't be any expectation on the reader to know that storylinked title is the final episode, if it even is. The write-up needs to say this is "the end" for that character. Yes, they return for a cameo in BWN, but that's a separate header. The were "last seen" during the battle on Gaea in that moment. It's no more "out of universe" than describing art or writing errors as "anomalous accounts" or "erroneous reports" is. I'm not getting into an edit war or even fighting to make this change; I'm just saying, it's pretty standard "handbook" write-up terminology, how I write mine, and how I will continue to write them. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 17:05, 25 April 2016 (EDT)

== Hey ==

Here's some more BotCon Diamond bios: http://postimg.org/gallery/7wuis1oc/27b9edf7/ [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:15, 1 June 2016 (EDT)
:Cool, thanks. I'll have a look when I get home. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:37, 1 June 2016 (EDT)

== Can you identify anyone else? ==

So regarding the new in-development Transformers Online, I stumbled across a trailer of some characters and skills in action. Right now, I can only make out Jazz, Bumblebee, and probably Swindle. Can you tell if the rest of the transformers in this video resemble any other character? Thanks! --[[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 19:01, 2 August 2016 (EDT)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qFTeBn-BS8

== Dinobot (RID) article ==

the dinobot were reference in prime season 3 were they not? RID 2015 is the sequel to prime is it not. so why are not adding prime to that page. Yes they were only reference. but still though wouldn't it make more sense for that cartoon in that dinobot section. i mean are more a sequel to the game when you stop to think about it. Also there is no evidence supporting the fact were referring to the fall of cybertron version of the dinobots.--[[User:Projectus|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus|talk]]) 04:29, 12 August 2016 (EDT)
:At the time that Miko and Bulkhead made that reference, the RID Dinobot subspecies didn't even exist yet. There was no way that the Prime cartoon was referencing something that never existed at the time that it made the reference. The FOC Dinobots, however, did exist, and were part of an active attempt to better unify the Aligned media between the games, the tie-in comics, and the Prime cartoon. Miko's and Bulkhead's Dinobots reference only makes sense in regards to the FOC Dinobots since they were only Aligned Dinobots that existed at the time the reference was made. What you're asking is for us to declare Miko's and Bulkhead's reference as having been retconned into referring to a subspecies that would not come into existence until later on, yet there has been no official media that has made such a retcon. We as fans have ZERO authority on such matters and are not going to start declaring our own unofficial retcons for virtually no other reason than "because we want to", as you seem to want us to do. Besides, Bulkhead's referring to Dinobots as something "Totally different" from how the Predacons were like a natural Cybertronian dinosaur species makes no sense in regards to the RID Dinobots, since the RID Dinobots for all intents and purposes do very much seem to be like a natural Cybertronian dinosaur species while the FOC Dinobots were an artificially-created subgroup that very much does make them totally different from a natural Cybertronian dinosaur species. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 11:19, 12 August 2016 (EDT)

== [[Roboid]] [[Nook]] ==

Isn't it generally TFWiki's practice to ''point out'' Easter eggs, homages, and the like? --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 05:10, 3 September 2016 (EDT)

== Regarding TFO edits ==

Saix, I know there is currently no official parameter and that it's not within the wiki's obligation to decide upon an arbitrary translation, but some of the transliterations, even by Chinese (BOTH Taiwanese and Mainland Chinese) standards, are just flat out nonsensical and frivolous. I hope you understand that there are multiple ways (via synonyms) to translate the hanzi, and I can speak from experience behind the screen as a bilingual Mandarin-English speaker, and as a professor's teaching assistant in Elementary Chinese irl. [[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 10:50, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
:By transliteration, I assume you actually mean translation? I realize there is leeway in translation to convey the same idea in a different language, but some of your translations were still questionable and played too loose with the meaning of the hanzi, in my opinion. Take 命运之殇 in particular—I don't understand how you derived "war" out of it, unless you were going by Google translate, when it's a straightforward name based on the certain death it supposedly doles out (as opposed to "Destiny's War", which means absolutely nothing). Or how you got "Laser Wrench" from F型扳手. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:16, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
I didn't use Google Translate. I consulted with native speaking relatives and peers and utilized Systransoft.com as well as MDBG, which I find for both to be more adequate. Bluestreak's sniper rifle, from the hanzi I recognize, can have synonymous possibilities. Certainly, "Destiny" can be interchanged with "Fate", altho I will admit, the second half of the title can be considered as: "war casualty" or "death" in general. For the second example, there's clearly no resemblance to an actual F-Type Wrench whatsoever, so I find even calling that weapon an "F-Type" in practicality to be redundant. (I've been a workshop assistant for a good year or so, so I've been familiar enough with tools in the shed.) If anything, Wheeljack's Melee weapon is identified as a Pipe Wrench, so shame on Tencent for the misleading name. [[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 15:19, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
:A wiki is not the place for creative "translations" that basically are localizations. If the name is literally "F-type Wrench", then it's F-type Wrench, regardless of how much you think it makes sense. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:39, 14 September 2016 (EDT)

== Deluge ==

first of all, i know the story has deluge as both, but in most universe, he's and his decepticon counterpart are there own individual. i was trying to make that clear to the people reading that story, but you thought i was too stupid to realize that, i mean yes the blackout thing was stupid on my part. but seriously you could have easily edited it to say that this Deluge is a amalgam of both version.--[[User:Projectus|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus|talk]]) 21:29, 28 December 2016 (EST)

== Missed the joke ==
While I appreciate the effort to correct errors on the page bearing my name ([[Mark Baker-Wright]]), it should be noted that the word "misspelled" was misspelled (as "mispelled") on purpose....--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] ([[User talk:G.B. Blackrock|talk]]) 18:21, 13 January 2017 (EST) (sorry to get to this so late. I actually don't go around looking at my own page that often)
:Ah, I was using an automated tool that does automatic corrections and wasn't really reading that closely. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:05, 13 January 2017 (EST)

==Model Numbers==
hey, i saw that you undid some of my edits for adding model numbers back into these wiki pages (apologies if i did it wrong!) - but how can we get these reinstated? that information is very useful, and should be on each of the main collection pages...

== Godbomber revision? ==

Why was my info deleted on the godbomber page? - [[User:Asda|Asda]] ([[User talk:Asda|talk]]) 11:28, 28 September 2017 (EDT)

== Don't revert my notes man ==

It's not needless my friend, it's just extra information that many Transformers fans I know would be happy to find on here. Please don't revert people's notes, even if you feel that it's "needless". If anything, I'm '''adding''' notes, not pruning them. Smh.
: Please stop adding notes. They're not good notes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 23:57, 1 January 2018 (EST)
::"Pruning" was what I was doing, and we are not obligated to store every passing thought you have. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 00:05, 2 January 2018 (EST)

== Run For Our Lives ==

Like you, my first instinct when I created the article was to use lower case for "for", as is grammatically correct, but the official title actually leaves it capitalized (see [https://www.go90.com/videos/37rr2B0WBM6 here]). By comparison, other TR episode titles that have conjunctions or articles choose to use lower case as normal ("Aftermath and Rebirth", "At the Last Second", etc.), so the capitalization of For stands out by comparison. Thus, technically, the title was more accurate as it was. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:35, 2 January 2018 (EST)
:I don't consider websites to be particularly authoritative in capitalization, especially when the actual "official title" in the episode itself is "RUN FOR OUR LIVES". People rarely remember every rule about how to capitalize titles, and we don't need to drive ourselves crazy accounting for every mistake some website has in rendering them. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:48, 2 January 2018 (EST)

== SG Fistfight, Insecticons ==

Why did you remove the note about SG Fistfight's deco? Do you dispute that it's true, that it's verifiable, or that it's noteworthy?

It's true that he's orange and black, as verified by [[Transhuman]]. As for it being noteworthy, ''This character has no official visual representation whatsoever... yet, at least'', so shouldn't we at least mention what we know about his physical appearance?

As for his sharing Tyrannitron's deco, G1 Fistfight and Tyrannitron were Action Master partners of opposing factions, just like Skyfall and Banzai-Tron were Action Masters of opposing factions (so SG Skyfall got G1 Banzai-Tron's deco), the Technobots and Terrorcons were combiners of opposing factions (so the SG teams swapped decos), etc. Moreover, G1 Fistfight and Tyrannitron were partnered with Shockwave and a Dinobot, respectively, further emphasizing a rivalry for SG to flip around.

If you look at almost any SG character's article, we typically note what inspired or seems to have inspired that character's deco, even if it is unconfirmed.

Speaking of unconfirmed, why does everyone insist that ''Generation 1 Zaptrap was officially repurposed as Shattered Glass Shrapnel'' if his only appearance colors him like someone else? i'd appreciate your comments [[File_talk:Insecticons_SG.jpg|here]], please.

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 04:50, 14 January 2018 (EST)

== Crossformers/Pretenders ==

I get that Japan never identified the Crossformers (or the Dinoforce) as Pretenders, but the TransTech story "Gone Too Far" does refer to Black Shadow as both a Crossformer and a Pretender, with Hubcap referring to him as "some kind of ''Pretender''!", Jackpot asking "Who ever heard of a Pretender with a ''robotic'' shell? I hate this universe!", and the narration reading "He had hoped that the Pretender’s focus would be split between controlling both the shell and his own body." Granted, all three of these could arguably be just from the perspective of those two Autobots, using a term that's familiar to them to refer to a kind of Transformer they've never encountered before, but I figured it was at least worth pointing out. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 17:04, 19 January 2018 (EST)

== Hi! Cylas here. ==

Are you just following me and undoing my (admittedly) "sub-par" edits? Also, if/when you do, could you give a reason? And your comments sometimes hurt my feelings. -[[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User Talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 6:54 PM (MST)

And for your information, Aligned is, according to this wiki, a continuity family. It doesn't have an official name, but go to the family's [[Aligned continuity family|page]] and see for yourself everything that it encompasses. The Covenant of Primus and the Novels and Prime and Robots in Disguise and Rescue Bots and War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 00:11, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
*Edit: I should have actually read the article before I wrote that comment. Yes, the Aligned family has some inconsistencies. Yes, it can be interpreted as several similar universes that don't necessarily line up. But Aligned is still a continuity family, and the inconsistencies are worth noting.
**Edit to the edit: Forgot to sign. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 00:19, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
:Okay Saix. I can handle the Novel trilogy as not being in the same universe as Prime. But RID is a ''direct sequel'' to Prime. Okay, maybe my thing with Thunderhoof wasn't good. But that doesn't change the fact that Prime and RID are in the same universe. -[[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 18:35, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

== Stop undoing my edits ==

You are just removing everything I post at this point, most of them without even stating why. Stop it. This isn't your website. I have just as much right to contribute as you. And I'm allowed to make jokes: rule 1 of this wiki: the funny stays. If you keep doing this, I'm taking it to the moderators.
* Edit: Leave my posts alone. Anything you delete, I'm just going to put back. I've had enough of you trying to bully me off this site. And from the look of this page I'm not the only one.

== Legends chapter 53 ==

I think that the in the top right panel of page 2, the guys protecting Dinobot, Tigatron, and Cheetor are ''Device Label'' Grimlock, ''Prime'' Arcee, and ''Disney Label'' Mickey Mouse. Also Maybe Diabattles with Rhinox? Also possibly Cybertron Optimus in supermode sticking his feet in right above Windblade. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:19, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

== Chinese names ==
Hello,I'm user IDWchromedome.These Chinese names(okay,most) really come from hasbro officials,I admit a few are not,I will be careful later.I have a Chinese Dreamwave Illustrations book.This book is officially licensed by Hasbro,most are written according to that book.and I'm Chinese.As you can see,My English level is very bad,So I don't know you can understand what I'm saying.I hope you can understand,if I offended you,I'm sorry.

== M'Ress ==

I'd just like to take this moment to explicitly thank you for [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=M%27Ress&diff=1288196&oldid=1288175 fixing] my glaring omission from M'Ress's introduction. I don't know how such a mistake escaped my notice. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] ([[User talk:Andrusi|talk]]) 10:10, 27 September 2018 (EDT)

== Could you move all the info for Cyberverse McDonalds to G1 ==

I didn't know the McDonalds toys were G1 not Cyberverse. Could you move all those McDonalds entries from the Cyberverse pages to G1 pages then? Be sure to edit any pictures and the fast food promotion and McDonalds page as well. Or you can just wait until later where I'll probably do it, I dunno. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:41, 13 October 2018 (EDT)

== Why remove the new section in Twelve-of-Twelve? ==

Just wondering why you'd change it. In character synopsis articles we usually break up the character's history into smaller sections. In this case, literal millions of years have passed between the Lost Light's adventures in the Functionist universe and the arrival of Council-controlled Primus in the main universe. If anything necessitates the addition of a new section, it's this. Is the article just not long enough to be split up? Or is there some other reason?

Also, I'd like to bring your attention to my questions on the [[Talk:Functionist Council|Functionist Council talk page]]. Is it okay to copy-paste that same paragraph in the other members' articles? [[User:Genitus|Genitus]] ([[User talk:Genitus|talk]]) 13:54, 17 October 2018 (EDT)
:Because we don't "usually" do that; only in long IDW subartciles, which Twelve isn't. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:08, 17 October 2018 (EDT)
::Okay, that's what I thought. What about my second question? [[User:Genitus|Genitus]] ([[User talk:Genitus|talk]]) 14:48, 17 October 2018 (EDT)
==Why did you change the acid storm (Cyberverse) page==
the discussion agree that till thing are sorted out we try gender-neutral pronoun (Like what Simon Furman did). yes there was the episode but that could have been a script error.--[[User:Projectus|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus|talk]]) 17:26, 29 October 2018 (EDT)

== Legal drinking age ==

Nope. Wyoming did not raise its drinking age until 1 July 1988 while Louisiana had raised its but had enacted a loophole that basically left the age at 18. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:59, 23 April 2019 (EDT)

== BW Megatron edits ==

Hi, I'd just like to apologize for overfixating on sneaking in complaints about Masterpiece Megatron's Japanese voicebox. I made the mistake of thinking that the wiki's informal tone gives people leave to treat it like a TV Tropes YMMV page, and I based most of those edits on YouTube comments that I saw that affirmed my own opinion at the time (that is, that the Japanese voice box drives the price up merely to affirm that the toy represents a wackier and less threatening version of the character that is absolutely not my literal David Kaye-voiced husbando).

I should absolutely find other things to edit, to focus on useful information (such as poseability, objective comparisons between figures, etc.) rather than using the wiki to vent my salt boner. (As for my previous opinion, I'm starting to realize that Chiba's voice clips probably didn't inflate Megs' price ''that'' much, since MP Dinobot comes with no sound gimmick and is nearly as expensive.) --[[User:Samus Aran|Samus Aran]] ([[User talk:Samus Aran|talk]]) 00:36, 23 May 2019 (EDT)

== RBA and Prime Hot Shot ==

Hey, OK sorry if I made that change, but the new Hot Shot is small and young (maybe one of the cybertronians born after the core's rebirth. So, please, he's obviously a separate character from Prime Hot Shot.
[[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]) 17:57, 03 June 2019
: He's not for our categorization purposes. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:22, 4 June 2019 (EDT)
::Oh really? Aren't also Grimlock, Sideswipe and Whirl for your categorization purposes? [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]) 08:42, 04 June 2019
:::We have official material that states those three are entirely different characters from the ones that appeared in WFC/Prime. Just think of Hot Shot's Prime design as a different "version" of the same character, like G1 Megatron in the comics versus G1 Megatron in the cartoon. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:28, 4 June 2019 (EDT)
::::I agree with RoboWarrior. Hot Shot and Whirl are almost identical situations of pre-existing veteran Wreckers being distinct from new recruits in Rescue Bots Academy. And the original decisions to split Grimlock, Sideswipe, and Kickback were not based on word from "official material". Not sure where you got that from. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 09:38, 4 June 2019 (EDT)
Please hash it out on [[Talk:Hot Shot (Prime)]]. My issue was that somebody came out of nowhere and split a page. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:52, 4 June 2019 (EDT)

== Transmutate (character) to Transmutate (G1) ==

Thanks for catching that one. Given how rarely non-characters have franchise tag disambiguations as opposed to "story", "episode", "polity", etc., I felt that we were more likely doing a disservice to our users by insisting on not giving Paddles the (G1) disambig. I hadn't even noticed that the same situation applied to Transmutate. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:47, 13 September 2019 (EDT)

==Transformers references==

I was looking for someone to ask: when is something a reference, then? I was operating under the impression that something like, say, ''Cyberverse'' Shockwave threatens to take over the Decepticons when nearly every cartoon version of the character has been a staunch loyalist (except for ''Energon'' Shockblast) would be surprising to people who don't know about the character's comic history.

== Solid Snake and Simon Belmont ==

I was going to add a note about Snake and Simon ending up in another fighting game together, but stopped after seeing the edit history. You stated that "Now that it's not a unique thing, it's not worth noting." To my understanding, they're the only two characters who have articles on this wiki that ended up in ''Smash Bros.'', especially since they both ended up in the same game. What is it about this that makes it not unique or unnoteworthy as trivia? I'm not necessarily against the decision, but am curious about the reason. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream|talk]]) 16:01, 8 October 2019 (EDT)
:[[Ryu]], [[Ken Masters|Ken]] and [[Inkling]] are playable in Smash too. And [[Bomberman]] is an assist trophy. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:09, 8 October 2019 (EDT)
::That and it's not really a trivia point relevant to ''Transformers''. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:44, 8 October 2019 (EDT)

== Super Megatron notes ==

Stuck on mobile right now, so I cant really do it myself, but, several notes:

1. I think the "native humanoids" are younger versions of White Leo and White Lune

2. The "Omega Sentinel"'s details match up more with Titans Return Astrotrain more than Energon Omega's mold [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:32, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
:Thanks for catching the Astrotrain thing. I'm waiting till the comic confirms that the cat people are Beastformers, because the details don't match up just yet. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:00, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
::One more thing; should the Frenzy/Rumble mold just go on Frenzy's page, seeing as it's almost certainly not JG1 Frenzy, and that he's based more on the toy than the animation model? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:15, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
:::I approached it from the Japanese perspective, so I just put him on the page with blue cartoon guy, but I suppose it doesn't really matter where. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:26, 8 April 2020 (EDT)

== About official Chinese release ==

Excuse me. 黑狗队/HēiGǒuDuì was a translated Chinese name and in an official Chinese release of the comic. So...can it be added?

== Why shouldn’t I blank out the talk page on my own profile? ==

The entire thing was nothing but condescension from jerks. I took their points to heart a long time ago, and I was tired of looking at them. {{unsigned|Phil Bond}} 02:25, 1 September 2020 (EDT)
:It's [[Transformers Wiki:User page#User page etiquette|against site policy]]. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 03:12, 1 September 2020 (EDT)

== Kudos on the cleanup ==

You da Cybertronian on the BWII cleanup! --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 17:44, 11 September 2020 (EDT)

== New jokes, not edited ones. ==

Just for the record, I didn't edit an existing joke. I edited my OWN joke that was new to begin with. There was nothing there to begin with.
In fact, I'd say Mirage's page was shockingly absent of captions for such an iconic, long-standing character really. [[User:MirageX|MirageX]] ([[User talk:MirageX|talk]]) 18:31, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
:Check the message. It says not to add more jokes if you haven't already been contributing actual content to the wiki. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:42, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
Check Mirage's page now. I've written up a partial stub of his WFC Siege storyline. I intend to finish it once I watch the rest of the episodes tonight, possibly tomorrow. It's not the easiest thing to watch, but I'll do it if it means contributing so I'm not chastised for adding missing captions. [[User:MirageX|MirageX]] ([[User talk:MirageX|talk]]) 19:50, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
:Look, are you making contributions because you want to actually improve the wiki, or are you only doing it so you have an excuse to add captions? Because like was said on your talk page, the site is meant to be informative first and funny second. If the real reason you're here is just so you can add jokes, you're probably better off going elsewhere. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:28, 22 October 2020 (EDT)

== A request ==

Hey, would you be able to help me out in figuring out what the Japanese names of the Great Transformation are? When Optimus mentions it in Episode 26's Japanese dub, I can hear him say 素晴らしい変化 (''subarashī henka''), which makes sense. But in Episode 1's Japanese dub, I can't tell exactly what the Oracle is saying due to its voice being so echo-y. I can hear the second part of the name as トランスフォーム (''toransufōmu''), but I can't quite make out what the first part is. [https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2216607 Here's a video] containing the scene in question, with the specific line of dialogue being around the 5:25 mark. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 09:41, 26 October 2020 (EDT)
:I am not good at listening to spoken Japanese, so I'm not of much help. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:43, 26 October 2020 (EDT)
::Thanks anyway. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 14:32, 26 October 2020 (EDT)

== Can you please tell me the source? ==

I could not find the source that [[Bonecrusher (BW)|Bone Crusher]] was sold under the name Bone Crush (ボーンクラッシュ) when it was imported to Japan.
Can you please tell me the source?
--[[User:CATBBA|CATBBA]] ([[User talk:CATBBA|talk]]) 14:05, 4 December 2020 (EST)
:[https://twitter.com/syncson/status/1200028057051910146 This tweet] has an advertisement that lists the names. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:09, 4 December 2020 (EST)
::Thank you. However, this is not an official product list, but an advertisement created by the dealers themselves. It may not be the official name.　It seems to me that the names were deliberately changed or misspelled to reduce the number of characters, especially with respect to the Bone Crusher. Also, I don't know what the standard is for names in the Beast Wars Universe or Transformers Generations to be no good and for names in the Beast Wars Perfect Book to be okay.--[[User:CATBBA|CATBBA]] ([[User talk:CATBBA|talk]]) 14:39, 4 December 2020 (EST)
:::I can't find pictures of the Takara stickers for Bonecrush/Bonecrusher, so this is the best we have to go on. In regards to Perfect Book, the difference is that it is placing the characters in a Japanese context and giving us original fictional details as opposed to Beast Wars Universe and Beast Generations, which are just describing Hasbro product. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:31, 4 December 2020 (EST)
::::Although it seems Perfect Book is also just describing Hasbro product, the different names given to the McDonald's toys are worth noting. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:08, 4 December 2020 (EST)

== reason for revert? ==

i addressed the errors on the Lightspeed and Nosecone disambiguation pages, and explained them in my [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Lightspeed_%28disambiguation%29&diff=1471508&oldid=1471462 edit] [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Nosecone_%28disambiguation%29&diff=1471507&oldid=1471463 summaries.] Why did you revert to the incorrect versions?

[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 00:11, 26 December 2020 (EST)

== Fixing links ==

While I appreciate your efforts changing links, I just put in requests for Teletraan-X to do it. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 23:40, 4 January 2021 (EST)

== United EX names ==

There's a couple of guys who don't have their United EX names in Katakana: I think Detritus, Roadblock, Grindcore, Gravedigger, and Clouder are all the ones that need it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:02, 10 January 2021 (EST)
: (Also, Von Rani and Krieger need their names from Binaltech). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:06, 10 January 2021 (EST)
::Added. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:30, 10 January 2021 (EST)
::: Thanks. Also, for whatever reason, RID 15 Sideswipe is missing his Japanese name. I assume it's Sideswipe still, but just in case. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:34, 10 January 2021 (EST)
:::: Got another group: the guys who get named in Solar Requiem. Presumably, it's those who get named in English as well. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 08:50, 14 January 2021 (EST)

A couple of the Siege/Earthrise guys (Trip-Up and Daddy-O, at least) need their Japanese names added in. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:26, 22 January 2021 (EST)

== Is your name a reference to... ==

:...[[Backstop_(Cybertron)#Notes|Saidos]] / [[Rhinox|Rhino X]]?
:...the {{w|Sai (weapon)|''sai''}} dagger?
:...the Spanish number ''[https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dos#Spanish dos]'' / the {{w|Roman numeral|Roman numeral}} ''[https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/diez#Spanish diez?]'' ({{w|homophone|Nine}}? [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nein Nein?)]

Just curious.

[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 01:03, 30 January 2021 (EST)
:It's a Kingdom Hearts character. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:04, 30 January 2021 (EST)
::As he said, [https://www.khwiki.com/Sa%C3%AFx]. I was playing ''Kingdom Hearts 2.5'' at the time I signed up for my account. I could probably pick a better name now, but I don't really care enough to change it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:06, 30 January 2021 (EST)

== Big Convoy in Abduction ==

[[File:BigConvoyAbduction.jpg|thumb|100px]]
I think this is most likely Big Convoy.

There are only two other characters that share his silholuette. Nemesis and Ultra Mammoth. However;

* Nemesis Prime is a herald of Unicron, so he shouldn't be imprisoned in the Cauldron. Though there is a chance it is an early appearance still, I guess.

*Ultra Mammoth hadn't been created yet.

It's either Big Convoy or an early appearance of Nemesis Prime.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 13:24, 16 March 2021 (EDT)
:It's still just speculation. As the other silhouettes in other panels share a similar design (horns and spiked kibble parts), it could go either way. If the artist can confirm that it's Big or any of his repaints, then we can work from that, but as it stands, it's not enough to go off of. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 17:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)

== Legends comic image + Blurr ==

Yes, I'm aware of the events of The return of Blurr; but considering that ''Legends'' is a Japanese comic, I just made a joke about the fact that in Japan the last time somebody saw Blurr was in the cartoon itself, when (after killing him) Shockwave orders to Cliffjumper to dispose of his body. Sorry :) [[User:Grievous Prime|--Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 16:56, 16 March 2021 (EDT)

== ''Energon'' Terrorcons ==

Was wondering what you thought about me making [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27/sandbox/Shadowhawk Desert Type|this]] a thing? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 04:37, 18 March 2021 (EDT)
:It works for me. Any chance you can do the same for "Command Jaguar Cosmo Type"? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 04:41, 18 March 2021 (EDT)
::Sure thing, I'll just make this one live and I'll get started on the other. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 04:43, 18 March 2021 (EDT)

== sorry ==

sorry [[User:GobotsFanForever|GobotsFanForever]] ([[User talk:GobotsFanForever|talk]]) 13:06, 1 June 2021 (EDT)

== Combatant ==

I just wanted to apologize if I came off rudely towards you. We had different perspectives and you were right. I'm sorry if I came off as acting in any way other than in good faith of keeping the wiki organized. [[User:TransFormersfan1|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1|talk]]) 16:10, 24 June 2021 (EDT)
:It's alright. No grudges here. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:41, 24 June 2021 (EDT)

== Deleting Others' Messages==

Hey, why'd you go and delete my message on the Hot Shot (Armada) toys talk page thing? I think that that was a tad bit uncalled for. Besides I thought that the talk things were for discussing stuff. I never saw something that said that I couldn't respond to stuff. Mind you, I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, I'm just saying that I never saw it. Also, I hope that I'm not overstepping by asking, but do you even have the authority to remove my post in that sense? I'm asking as I don't know who's in charge on this wiki. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 12:27, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
:That conversation was SIX YEARS OLD. It was over. Your replying to it was rather pointless and there is no reason for us to keep such things around. Any user can remove pointless responses to long dead conversations.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:52, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
:: Well, I did not realize that then. I mean, I get the point, yeah, it was old, which I honestly did not even realize until after the deletion, but I personally think that deleting it was tad bit overboard. In my opinion, telling the person that posted it to delete it, reminding them that it was an old conversation and to not do that anymore, or just repremanding them in general would've been better. I just think that deleting it rather than repremanding the person is a bit rude. But eh... what do I know? [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 15:15, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
::: Also, how is a response, comment, or message deemed "pointless" anyway? Like is there a "hard and fast" rule, as they say, or is it just up to the person who reads it? [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 15:18, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
::::"Pointless" when used above, is only in reference to comments that continue conversations that have not been added to in months or years. ANY comment made today to a conversation that has been quiet since 2015 is pointless. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:48, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
::::: What about the one in the Tantrum G1 talk thing? That had a point, as I was curious. Plus, the people who commented before you were quite helpful, and understanding. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 16:47, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
:::::::Can you guys please take this conversation off my talk page? I detailed exactly why I deleted your message in the edit history: "Stop replying to old conversations". That's all there is to it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:55, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
:::::::: Sure. I didn't even expect the other person to see this, let alone respond. Plus, I wasn't sure what you meant until after the first message was posted. But either way, you got it, at least from me. I can't speak for the other person. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 16:58, 12 July 2021 (EDT)

== Stop removing good info. ==

Why'd you remove my Blackarachnia (Animated) toy stuff? That's pretty accurate. It covered it in the show. She is "an [[Archa Seven arachnid]] in a black widow-esque variant". So like what's wrong? I get the grammar part, but not the whole content. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 00:45, 9 August 2021 (EDT)
:Saix was right to remove that note. The fictional spider species isn't relevant to the toy design. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:52, 9 August 2021 (EDT)
:: Oh, I'm sorry. I thought that it was, given most other toys seem to tend to follow that rule. Like stating the model of vehicle or species of animal, even if fictional, especially so if it's mentioned in canon. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 01:00, 9 August 2021 (EDT)

== What was wrong with my edits? ==

I noticed that you removed my question on [[Predaking (Prime)|Predaking's (Prime)]] talk page, and my edits on [[Primus#Fight.21 Super Robot Lifeform Transformers|Primus' toys]] in regards to the cities. Was there something wrong with them? If so, what? So I can avoid making that mistake in the future, as I only want to help ''improve'' this wiki for others, not ''be'' one of the problems it has. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 12:18, 17 August 2021 (EDT)
:I get an email every time you edit my talk page. Please stop doing that or at least mark your edits as minor. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:46, 17 August 2021 (EDT)
:: Oh. I'm sorry. Also, what about the above things? [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 15:06, 17 August 2021 (EDT)
::: I didn't even realize that that ''would'', ''could'', or even ''was'' happening. I just read up on that, and understand, or at least think I understand, ''now'', and I'll try to keep that in mind from now on. Thanks for letting me know that that was a problem, and while on the topic of problems, maybe you could, whenever you remove something of mine, explain why, at least if I have made an error in how I edited in some sense, and/or e-mail me about how to fix it in the future, which my e-mail address is on my talk page for purposes like this, and/or even just straight up tell me on my talk page. Because at the end of the day, I want to help improve this wiki, not ruin it for anyone else and/or ruin their hard work. Which I can't do if I don't even know if I am messing something up unknowingly. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 15:18, 17 August 2021 (EDT)
:::: Which by the way, the whole problem above, is mentioned here: [[Help:Style guide#Always use the summary box]].

== ID number page ==

Can you please stop editing the ID number page? I have a huge edit I wanna save but I can't because of the editing conflicts that will ensue. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 11:54, 19 August 2021 (EDT)
:Apologies. I thought you were still sleeping. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:58, 19 August 2021 (EDT)
::I haven't even gone to bed yet lol. I had about 4 hours worth of work that I was needing to save but it'd probably take another hour or so for me to sort through. It's mostly coding-related. Sipher suggested on Discord to add the insignia bullets which is mainly what I was working on. It's all saved [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27/sandbox/WIP|here]] if you'd like to take a stab at adding it to what you've done? I need sleep, it's like 4 AM here now lol. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 12:12, 19 August 2021 (EDT)

== Capitalization of "bodyscrapper" ==

Hey, I see you've updated the term in many places to start with a capital letter. Looking at pages 3, 7, 16, and 20, it's fully lowercase. Seems to me that it's being treated as a common noun, more of a slang synonym for "bounty hunter" and not a proper noun for a subgroup like "Wrecker", at least at this point in the story. I think we should adhere to the fiction and treat it as a common noun as well. [[User:Genitus|Genitus]] ([[User talk:Genitus|talk]]) 20:51, 26 August 2021 (EDT)
:It was capitalized in various points in the article. I don't care if you make all instances lowercase as long as it's consistent. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:58, 26 August 2021 (EDT)
::Sounds good, I'll run through the wiki and make it consistently lowercase. [[User:Genitus|Genitus]] ([[User talk:Genitus|talk]]) 21:03, 26 August 2021 (EDT)

== Legends Bonus Edition Vol EX ==

There are three volumes involved in Legends comics: the original strips, the Bonus Editions, and the Bonus Edition Extra volumes. Because there are multiple EX volumes, labeling storylinks as "Bonus Edition Vol EX" is not suitably descriptive. It's the equivalent of stating "RID Annual" when there are multiple annuals. For clarity, EX storylinks should be cited as "Bonus Edition EX Greatshot", "Bonus Edition EX Grand Maximus" or "Bonus Edition EX Metroplex" instead of listing all as "Bonus Edition Vol EX". Agreeable? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:06, 9 September 2021 (EDT)
:Forgot to respond to this. I'm more than well aware of how the Legends comics are released and don't agree that this is an actual issue to insist on altering their actual names. None of the Legends pack-ins have "descriptive" names. It's fine and we've lived. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:39, 10 September 2021 (EDT)
::If we were talking about how to label the actual comic pages, I would agree to use the most accurate title from the pack-ins themselves. But the second storylink title after the " | " is to reduce overly long titles and for reference purposes. You don't think it's useful for visitors to know that "Bonus Edition Vol EX" in Fiction sections actually refers to multiple comics? Especially for characters that appear in several Vol EX issues, and so would have identical links going to different places in their Fiction section? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 09:51, 10 September 2021 (EDT)

==Bent Wing==
I apologize - I misunderstood what you had added to that page, and at first reverted based on that misunderstanding. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:55, 15 September 2021 (EDT)

==Notes==
They aren't frivolous. [[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 18:24, 4 February 2022 (EST)

=="mainpic" template use==
Just a heads-up, but that template is really only for character pages with NO visual representation of the character whatsoever. A toy picture is perfectly fine as a main pic until it can be replaced with art. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:27, 14 July 2022 (EDT)

==Notes==
OK thank on clarifying that but why were the rest of my edits removed/undone? [[User:Elitaone|ElitaOne]] ([[User talk:Elitaone|talk]]) 20:17, 19 September 2022 (EDT)

== UK/US issues ==

Hey, don’t mean to disrespect but why are you deleting my edits? I accept the first one might not have been informative enough, I thought the second one was good. Many other US issues talk about this exact topic, and having just read “back from the dead“ I was surprised the continuity issue wasn’t mentioned there. Happy to have your professional feedback. Thanks
[[User:Levyshahar|Levyshahar]] ([[User talk:Levyshahar|talk]]) 13:59, 11 October 2022 (EDT)
:I removed it because it comes off as a personal fixation for you and not a real continuity error. Furthermore, it's not even the right story where Optimus Prime discovers Megatron's survival; Optimus mentally notes it in "[[Skin Deep]]", and the dialogue there is more than ambiguous enough to cover both continuities. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:36, 11 October 2022 (EDT)
::Personal?… Just trying to make sense of the story for me and for future readers. Skin deep comes after Back from the dead [[User:Levyshahar|Levyshahar]] ([[User talk:Levyshahar|talk]]) 01:42, 12 October 2022 (EDT)

== Rifle's design ==

I honestly can't explain why I went for Energon Megatron over TR Galvatron. That one was my bad, sorry. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 14:03, 29 March 2023 (EDT)

== Is the wiki okay? ==
There's been a fair number of rapid reversions coupled with odd comments recently. Is there a beef that I'm not aware of? [[User:Banpei the Mini-Con|Banpei the Mini-Con]] ([[User talk:Banpei the Mini-Con|talk]]) 21:50, 26 April 2023 (EDT)

==So in regards to the info I added on Bisk's page==
Do you really think his and the Car Vehicon's alt modes don't look similar at all? If so, why? [[User:SerafettinB|SerafettinB]] ([[User talk:SerafettinB|talk]]) 10:04, 26 April 2023 (TRT)

== Transformers: Generation 1 ==

Is issue four supposed to stay the same? -- [[User:Usfmm|Usfmm]] ([[User talk:Usfmm|talk]]) 22:45, 20 February 2024 (EST)
:[https://imgur.com/06HDdCs "Generation 1"]
:[https://imgur.com/JwYGd5i "Generation One"] [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:48, 20 February 2024 (EST)

==Book of Cyber-Kells==
Could you please explain why you reverted my edits? I added the Simmons quote because it's the only place where the book is ever named. Also why did you remove the External links as they are also the only place we've had confirmation of the book cover. Also that quote on the other image I left alone because I thought it was policy that quotes for images were left to those who uploaded the images. Thanks. [[User:Astrobotix|Astrobotix]] ([[User talk:Astrobotix|talk]]) 23:51, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
:Also, what's wrong with doing "prop stuff" if they're the only clear images of the item? We risk not having adequate documentation of in-universe objects when external sites get deleted/shutdown. [[User:Astrobotix|Astrobotix]] ([[User talk:Astrobotix|talk]]) 23:57, 21 March 2024 (EDT)

== Prime Beast Creator ==

Sorry for messing with the Predacon names on the 'Beast Creator' page! I even missed the bit of the edit history where someone did the exact same thing and you had to do the work of reverting it. I would feel bad for just the once, but I can imagine two separate occasions would be really annoying. Again, I am genuinely sorry and I didn't mean to make such a mess of it. I'll stick it in my watchlist and keep an eye on it in case someone else tries to do the same thing. [[User:Spacebridge Technician|Spacebridge Technician]] ([[User talk:Spacebridge Technician|talk]]) 12:29, 28 March 2024 (EDT)
:Apologies aren't necessary, it's just wiki editing, but thank you regardless. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:31, 28 March 2024 (EDT)

== On Circular Reporting ==
As far as I can tell, people don't treat the idea of "Big Long Haul" as a redesign or a fun idea--they treat this as if he actually ''is'' supposed to be that big, and him being the same size as his teammates is a scaling error, similar to Blast Off or Groove. The wiki itself described him as such in its articles on scale, when it's actually not a scaling error; his size is actually about right. Media depicting him as such is going off the idea that it was a scaling error when it wasn't. Hell, even Long Haul's page caption describes that scene of him ramming Optimus as "correct" scale.[[User:MBG|MBG]] ([[User talk:MBG|talk]]) 14:30, 6 April 2024 (EDT)
:Then correct those incorrect claims of "scale". IDW1 making Long Haul bigger is artistic license, and CW Long Haul being bigger was needed for engineering that combination. This is not a consistent or coherent "circular reporting" thing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:41, 6 April 2024 (EDT)

== Apology for my behavior ==
Hi I saw you deleted my comment about Animated Shockwave looking like Hal 9000 for it not being a refreence. I know I've made posts like it before where I've made connections like that and I realise it's not appropriate for the wiki and I promise not to do it again and I am truly sorry. Is it okay for me to remove the tag you put on my page about it? I Hope this doesn't bother you
[[User:StarGayCybertron|StarGayCybertron]] ([[User talk:StarGayCybertron|talk]]) 18:30, 20 April 2024 (BST)

== T-AI's talk page ==

So... what are we gonna do about that dead discussion, are we gonna let it there forever? Doesn't look like the best thing to do in my opinion... [[User:Astrum|Astrum]] ([[User talk:Astrum|talk]]) 17:39, 20 April 2024 (EDT)

== Transformers One Edits ==

Why did you revert my changes on the Transformers One page stating that it's connected to the rest of the live-action movie series? The director has made statements saying it is not. As stated here: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/transformers-one-optimus-prime-origin-story-chris-hemsworth-josh-cooley/ [[User:TFEarthConquest|TFEarthConquest]] ([[User talk:TFEarthConquest|talk]]) 14:10, 22 April 2024 (PST)
: Saix was right to undo it. Per [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/transformers-one-director-confirms-new-movies-canon-status/ this] statement from the same site, Cooley responded to the question of "Is this movie a fresh start? Is it canon with the live-action Transformers movies? Or is this sort of its own thing?" with "Yes to all of the above". Lorenzo di Bonaventura has also [https://collider.com/transformers-one-chris-hemsworth-optimus-prime-lorenzo-di-bonaventura-comments/ claimed] that it's a live-action prequel. As of now, there's too much ambiguity around the question, so we're currently leaving it as part of the live action film series until the film comes out and we have the full context. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:10, 22 April 2024 (EDT)

== Siege Megaton’s back cannon ==

That image sat there for around 4 1/2 years, why remove it now? [[User:Brickmaster57|Brickmaster57]] ([[User talk:Brickmaster57|talk]]) 03:05, 30 April 2024 (EDT)
:I think the fact that you waited six months to complain about my edit kind of defeats your point. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:14, 30 April 2024 (EDT)

== Why are you constantly removing other people's contributions? ==

A lot of your edits are things like removing a bunch of images from pages, or removing specific notes. Like man, can you give a good reason as to why you do all that. [[User:SerafettinB|SerafettinB]] ([[User talk:SerafettinB|talk]]) 16:48, 10 January 2025 (TRT)
:We have high quality standards for information and formatting here, and that's what I seek to maintain. We are not obligated to keep low-quality or irrelevant content. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:04, 10 January 2025 (EST)

== RE: Why are you linking to an archive? ==

In case the website hosting the interview goes down at some point in the future. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 17:12, 3 March 2025 (EST)

Ghost in the Machine (G1)

2025-03-03T21:43:00Z

Omegatron: /* Quotes */

{{disambig3|Ghost in the Machine}}
{{episode|
|series=G1toon
|series2=2010
|ep=80
|ep2=16
|prev2=Fight or Flee (episode)
|next2=Webworld
|series3=''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (cartoon)|The Transformers: Generation 2]]''
|ep3=22
|prev3=Masquerade
|next3=The Ultimate Weapon
|image=GhostMachine Starscream Scourge Unicron.JPG
|caption=Screw you guys, I'm going home.
|title="Ghost in the Machine"
|season=3
|season ep=15
|production code=700-100
|airdate=[[October 21]], 1986
|written by=[[Joey Kurihara Piedra]] [[Michael Charles Hill]]
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|animation studio=[[AKOM]], [[Sam Young Studio]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
|video=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgCa2IVYnqg
|videosite=YouTube
}}

'''Set on regaining a physical body, the ghost of Starscream possesses Scourge and makes a deal with the devil.'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:GhostMachine Scourge approaches Unicron.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Your ''break''fast, Sir!]]

On [[Chaar]], the [[Decepticon]]s are following [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]], when [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]]'s ghost appears and possesses [[Scourge (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Scourge]]. Despite his better efforts, Starscream forces Scourge to fire on Galvatron, then flees with [[Cyclonus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cyclonus]] in pursuit. Cyclonus follows as far as [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where he breaks off, assuming that Scourge has defected to the [[Autobot]]s. But that is not Starscream's goal. He instead flies to the severed head of [[Unicron]]. Using Scourge to reactivate the Dark God, Starscream offers his services in exchange for a new body. Unicron agrees to restore him to life in exchange for three labors. The first labor is to bring [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]'s [[Sensors|eyes]] to Unicron. With nowhere else to go, Scourge agrees to serve Unicron.

[[File:GhostMachine Metroplex eye explode.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|There are no eye-drops for this.]]

On Earth, [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] arrives for an inspection of [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]], when Scourge and Starscream make their move. Destroying Metroplex's security system, the two Decepticons steal the eyes, but [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Spike Witwicky]] cause Scourge to drop one, shattering it. Fleeing, Metroplex [[Transformation|transforms]], but cannot see, and begins firing on the Autobots. However, a photon bomb disables Metroplex, causing him to crash. Lacking one eye, the two head back for Chaar, where they dispatch the [[Battlecharger]]s, outwit Starscream's [[Seeker (body-type)|former soldiers]], and steal one of [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]'s eyes. In addition, Starscream possesses [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] to serve as their ride home, where Astrotrain is left to the mercy of the Autobots. Upon learning of what happened, Galvatron reacts in a rational, controlled manner... for Galvatron.

[[File:Dirge AlmostDeath.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Galvatron settles an old score with the wall.]]

Pleased with his new eyes, Unicron informs Starscream and Scourge of their next labor: bring Trypticon to Unicron (should have told them that before they left). Starscream heads off to complete the task. Meanwhile, [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] interrogates Astrotrain, who claims not to remember what happened, but [[Blurr (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blurr]] reveals that Unicron has his eyes back! [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] takes [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]], [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]], and [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] to investigate, but Unicron drives them off. Scourge is becoming nervous, but Unicron warns his creation that he can take what he has given. On Chaar, Galvatron orders the Battlechargers and [[Conehead]]s to locate Starscream and Scourge, only for Trypticon to transform, under Starscream's control, and depart, with the Decepticons in pursuit.

As the Autobots prepare for the Decepticon assault, Unicron commands Starscream to remove Trypticon's [[transformation cog]] and place it in Unicron. The Decepticons arrive and attack, but Starscream uses Trypticon to disable their weapons. As the Decepticons flee, Unicron commands his minions to complete the third labor—connect Unicron's head to Cybertron, making it his new body. Scourge decides to book it, and Starscream is left to complete the task. Scourge tries to warn Galvatron, but he doesn't care. Scourge then heads to the Autobots, and warns them of Unicron's intentions.

[[File:GhostMachine Unicron starscream jumpers.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|Refusing to call AAA, Starscream prepares to jumpstart Unicron.]]

Within Trypticon, the Battlechargers and the Coneheads disable Starscream's control over Trypticon, so Starscream demands his body to complete the labors. Unicron restores his body, but Starscream (surprise, surprise), tells Unicron to connect himself to Cybertron. However, the Autobots manage to plant some [[energon cube]]s on Unicron's head. They detonate the [[energon]], causing Unicron's head to return to orbit and Starscream to go flying. Thrown past the Decepticons, Galvatron orders them to fire on Starscream. When their shots begin hitting him, Cyclonus wonders why Starscream's ghost has lost control.

On Cybertron, Rodimus agrees to allow Scourge and Astrotrain to leave, in exchange for their help. He then tells the Autobots of their new mission to retrieve Metroplex's eye, but then reveals that he was joking, saying that the eyes were probably destroyed in the explosion.

Unseen by the Autobots, Unicron's eye twinkles in the night...

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] (with [[Scamper]]) (9)
*[[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] (10)
*[[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] (11)
*[[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] (13)
*[[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] (14)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] (15)
*[[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] (16)
*[[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] (17)
*[[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]] (18)
*[[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]] (19)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] (26)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] (27)
*[[Blurr (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blurr]] (28)
*[[Springer (G1)|Springer]] (29)
*[[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] (30)
*[[Groove (G1)|Groove]] (31)
*[[Arcee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Arcee]] (cameo) (33)

|c2=
*[[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] (1)
*[[Scourge (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Scourge]] (2)
*[[Sweep (G1)|Sweeps]] (3)
*[[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] (4)
*[[Cyclonus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cyclonus]] (5)
*[[Headstrong (G1)|Headstrong]] (6)
*[[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] (7)
*[[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] (20)
*[[Runabout (G1)|Runabout]] (21)
*[[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]] (22)
*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (23)
*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (24)
*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] (25)
*[[Divebomb (G1)|Divebomb]] (32)

|c3=
*[[Spike Witwicky (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Spike Witwicky]] (12)

|c4=
*[[Unicron|Unicron's head]] (8)
}}

==Quotes==
"THERE IS NO REASONING WITH HIM! DESTROY HIM! HE'S LOST HIS MIND!"
:—'''Galvatron''', calling [[Scourge (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|the kettle]] black.

"Decepticon intruder IN MY BRAIN!"
:—'''Metroplex''', on the perils of being city-sized.

"First, you two let Scourge and Starscream steal one of Trypticon's eyes. And then you two allowed Astrotrain to be used as their escape vehicle. So Scourge is helping Starscream voluntarily, and you four were unable to stop them! Well, all I can say is...BWWWAAAAAAA!"
:—'''Galvatron''', giving his outburst a rare preamble.

"Why did Galvatron have you attack Cybertron all by yourself? Are you stupid or just obedient?"
:—'''Rodimus Prime''', getting sassy with Astrotrain

"I don't have to show you no stinking passes."
:—'''Starscream''' has picked up some {{w|Stinking badges|Earth culture}}.

"Starscream! You are a dead mechanism!" 
"Of course I'm dead, Galvatron! But not for much longer. And then are you going to be sorry!" 
"I'm already sorry!"
:—'''Galvatron''' and '''Starscream''', bickering like [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|old times]].

"Unicron! If you want the connection made, you'd better give me a new body now!" 
"You shall have it." 
''(Unicron shoots lasers from his eyes, and Starscream's body is reformed)'' 
"I live again!" 
"Now, do my bidding. Complete the connection!" 
"Ha! Do it yourself!"
:—'''Unicron''' bet on the wrong pony, and '''Starscream''' just loves being a prick.

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
:—'''Starscream''' auditions for the latest ''Star Wars'' movie.

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
[[File:G1toon starscreams last appearance.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|right]]
[[File:GhostMachine Decepticon execution.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|right|"Death comes to me. It just doesn't ''stay''."]]
*This episode is the second appearance of Starscream's ghost. His first appearance was in the G1 episode "[[Starscream's Ghost]]". His ghost makes a third appearance in the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' episode "[[Possession]]" in which he takes over [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]].
**Starscream is last seen tumbling away through space in his new body, damaged from Galvatron's attacks but still very much alive. This is sometimes seen as a point of conflict with his appearance as a ghost in the ''Beast Wars'' episode "[[Possession]]". Fans have reconciled this by speculating that he died again off-screen, or else traveled through time to the ''Beast Wars'' era (and back) before this episode took place chronologically. Alternatively, the ''Beast Wars'' cartoon does not follow strictly from any specific Generation 1 continuity, allowing the "error" to be dismissed entirely.
*The explosive that Scourge and Starscream use is a [[Photon charge]]. Hey, Hot Rod mentioned those in [[The Transformers: The Movie|the movie]]!
*Speaking of dying, Dirge's appearance here - clearly scripted and complete with a single spoken line - rather flagrantly contradicts his two "deaths" and his seeming appearance in the Decepticon crypt.
*Only appearance of [[Runabout (G1)|Runabout]].
*Of all the Transformers Starscream is seen possessing in both this episode and "[[Starscream's Ghost]]", Scourge is the only one who puts up a fight for control of his own body and retains his memories of what happened while "under the influence". (This is admittedly inconsistent with the ending of the prequel to this episode, however.)
*Unicron displays the ability to electrocute the Autobots inside his head and expel them through his neck.
*Unicron off-handedly tells Scourge that "what I have given you, I can also take away", in reference to his creation of Scourge during the events of the movie.
*When the coneheads and Battlechargers run for their lives, Galvatron orders his troops to "hunt them down like the Marconian dogs". What?
*The Autobots plant "[[Energon]] explosives" to blow Unicron's head away.
*For some reason, all of the combiner teams in the episode only have two members present. When Galvatron addresses the Predacons in the first scene, it's only Razorclaw and Headstrong. When Kup later tells Powerglide and Warpath to find the Aerialbots, it's only Skydive and Silverbolt. Later on Cybertron when the Protectobots shoot down Astrotrain, it is only Hot Spot and Groove.

===Real-world references===
*The title's literal meaning obviously applies to the events of the episode, but the phrase has a history in philosophical discourse. It was {{w|Ghost in the machine|coined as a pejorative}} against the {{w|Mind-body dichotomy|mind-body split}} of {{w|René Descartes|Cartesian}} dualism, and by the time this episode was made, it had also been used as the title of {{w|The Ghost in the Machine|a book}} and {{w|Ghost in the Machine (album)|a rock album}}.
*Starscream delivers the line, "I don't have to show you no {{w|Stinking badges|stinking passes}}".
*''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' sound effects:
**''[[Millennium Falcon]]'' engine burst as Scourge smashes his way out of Metroplex.
**[[TIE Fighter]] roar as Silverbolt dives back toward Metroplex after the explosion, and again as Starscream exits Trypticon's body.
**[[X-wing Fighter|X-wing]] diving whine as Scourge flees from Unicron.
**[[Lightsaber]] hum as Unicron recreates Starscream.
**[[Death Star]] superlaser as Scourge and Astrotrain make their exit.

===Animation and technical errors===
[[File:GhostMachine Magnus with hands on hips.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
[[File:GhostintheMachine-Scourgealt.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
*Wrong color models used by AKOM include:
**Rodimus and Galvatron are both consistently colored using outdated color models; Rodimus's shoulder indentations are red instead of white, his pelvis-windshield details are white instead of light burgundy, and his gun is red instead of black, while Galvatron has pale purple "underpants."
**Cyclonus's eyebrows are purple. His chin is still grey, though.
**And of course the movie-original characters have colored mouths: purple for Galvatron, red for Ultra Magnus.
**Scourge is consistently shown with the outdated "head-sticking-up" model of his hovercraft form.
**The circle on Bumblebee's back is black instead of yellow.
*"There is no reasoning with him!" - Galvatron's head clips through his cannon barrel.
*Headstrong has Galvatron's cannon sound effect as he opens fire on Scourge.
*"He is a traitor! Give him no quarter!" - Headstrong is colored with Breakdown's color scheme.
*Scourge disappears into the sky... then is shown cruising along at ground level for a lengthy shot, then disappears into the sky ''again''.
*Unicron's helmet was all gold [[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1|the last time we saw it]]. Now it's blue with gold horns.
*After entering Unicron, Scourge/Starscream lands and walks forward for several seconds. The scrolling background behind him isn't long enough to make it through the whole shot, however - at one point it abruptly jumps back to the start.
*As he says, "Only three?," Starscream's eyes are suddenly huge.
*Scamper, shown at toy-based scale in one of Metroplex's vehicle bays as Sky Lynx lands, is HUGE, dwarfing the shuttle.
*In the next shot, Sky Lynx takes off again, but Kup and Spike are gone. And so is the giant Scamper!
*Kup and Spike enter Metroplex through an upward-sliding door... which disappears into a solid doorframe, with no gap to actually accommodate the door.
*Blaster's voice is missing its usual reverb effect.
[[File:GhostintheMachine blaster startled.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
*The Autobots react a little too quickly to Blaster accidentally turning on some music - the music and their laughter all occur at the same instant.
*As Blaster warns Kup, Kup's mouth is hanging wide open for no real reason. It's also colored the same light gray as his face.
*When Scourge first approaches Metroplex's eye, it's almost as big as he is. Later it's small enough for him to carry with ease.
[[File:GhostInTheMachine Bumblebee huge wheels.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Top this Putt-Putt.]]
*When Bumblebee and Spike discover Scourge stealing Metroplex's eyes, Bumblebee has enormous wheels.
*Bumblebee gets the wrong transformation sound effect (descending pitch) as he returns to robot mode.
*Just before setting the charge inside Metroplex, Scourge's eyes are green instead of red.
*"I don't see any enemy" - Silverbolt is the one speaking, but both he and Skydive mouth the line.
*After the bomb goes off, the next shot of the inside of Metroplex shows a star background on his monitor. A few shots later, it's the usual Earth sky.
*Metroplex has "regular" small eyes as he stumbles around firing, rather than his usual large goggles.
*An explosion comes out of each of Metroplex's eyes... without actually shattering his eyes or causing any visible damage.
*As Scourge exits Astrotrain/Starscream to dig out Metroplex's eye, he's still carrying Trypticon's eye. It disappears in the next shot.
*As he re-enters Astrotrain/Starscream, Scourge just sort of clips into him through a solid wall.
*When Galvatron is chewing out the four henchmen, Runamuck and Runabout switch places between the shot from behind and the following panning shot across their guilty faces.
[[File:GhostMachine Blurr violated airspace.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
*In a layering error, the "Unidentified craft" warning message that flashes up on Blurr's screen overlays his head.
*In his first several shots, Hot Spot has a mouth on his faceplate. It disappears between shots as he prepares to fire on Astrotrain.
[[File:G1 GhostintheMachine Groove lockedloaded.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
*Groove has a totally different voice for his one line ("Locked and loaded!"), sounding somewhat like Beachcomber. Usually, he sounds more like a higher-pitched Trailbreaker.
*In the panning shot of the Autobots as Rodimus Prime asks Astrotrain if he's "stupid or just obedient," Rodimus' mouth doesn't move. In addition, the visual of space on the viewscreen behind them doesn't move with the pan.
*When he accuses Astrotrain of stealing Metroplex's eyes, Magnus's whole face is blue.
*As Rodimus realizes that Unicron has his eyes again, rough pencil marks are visible on him and Magnus.
*In the second shot of Sky Lynx approaching him, Unicron's eyes are missing again. Unicron is also shown in front of some massive hunk of space debris that's far bigger than he is.
*During Scourge's attack on him, Sky Lynx has a Decepticon symbol on his nose.
*Hot Spot says, "Look out, Scourge!" with the emphasis of the line suggesting that he's addressing Scourge, when he's actually reacting to Scourge.
*As he berates his troops, the tops of Galvatron's shoulders are missing their red squares.
*As Magnus's team floats through space, Springer is colored as Kup.
*When Trypticon approaches Unicron, Scourge is standing in Unicron's mouth. He vanishes between shots, however, and Unicron's mouth goes from having a hollow inside to being a solid gray field.
*Galvatron's squad includes three Divebombs. (One of them, along with a Sweep, is obliterated a moment later!)
*As Scourge is brought to Rodimus, an overhead shot shows Ultra Magnus with circular cogs on his shoulders instead of the usual white pillars.
*When Galvatron shoots at Starscream, his cannon sounds like a regular Decepticon laser.
*When Rodimus shakes Magnus's hand, Magnus has an Autobot symbol on his left shoulder. He should only have one on his right shoulder.
*As Rodimus jokes about recovering Metroplex's eyes from Unicron, a reaction shot shows Magnus's other (right) shoulder. This ''should'' have an Autobot symbol, but doesn't!
*The next shot shows a solid wall behind Rodimus even though he's still standing in front of the display (showing space).
*Rodimus's mouth isn't moving when he says "Just kidding."
*After Rodimus jokes about recovering Metroplex's eyes from Unicron, Hot Spot is shown with Ultra Magnus's color scheme.

===Continuity errors===
*While Scourge makes a respectable attempt at fighting off Starscream's control of his body in this episode, he displayed no such strength of will when he was possessed by the latter at the end of "[[Starscream's Ghost]]".
*Cyclonus won't go near Unicron's head because that would alert the Autobots, but they don't seem to notice Scourge approaching it.
*Putting one wire back together is enough to reactivate Unicron's mind! You'd think a body-consuming explosion would have done more serious damage.
*Powerglide's appearance seems to contradict "[[Dark Awakening (episode)|Dark Awakening]]", where he was among a fleet of Autobot ships getting blown up by the Quintessons. But considering the Aerialbots were also blown up, and recalling AKOM's propensity for grabbing whatever random animation model off the shelf, it's probably ''that'' episode which contains the error. (It would also be a serious violation of the cartoon's ethos to kill off ''any'' main character, especially one with a toy on the shelf.)
*And incidentally, Powerglide is implied to be one of the "Aerialbots" in both Silverbolt and Warpath's lines in the scene where they take off together. Though this may seem like less of an error retroactively in light of [[Combiner Wars (franchise)|recent events]].
[[File:Gitm kup and screamer.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
*Starscream enters Kup's body and somehow immediately causes an explosion in a random wall that blows out Metroplex's ''entire'' security system.
*Following that scene, Scourge is already in Metroplex. Nobody noticed him fly to Earth? What happened to the Earth Defense Command satellites?
*What is Trypticon doing on that random planet? And why doesn't he notice Scourge stealing his eye?
*Although undoubtedly big, Metroplex and Trypticon's eyes should be ''way'' too small for Unicron to use as like-for-like replacements.
*Flying Autobots:
**Magnus's team flies out of Sky Lynx and into Unicron's head with no obvious means of propulsion.
*Why don't the Autobots just blast Unicron's repaired circuits as soon as they enter his head?
*When Scourge approaches Galvatron he says, "Galvatron, don't shoot!" Galvatron states he couldn't even if he wanted to, because Trypticon neutralized their weapons. Yet, when Starscream's out of control body flies past him, he begins firing on him.
*Why doesn't Rodimus just jump inside Unicron's head and open the Matrix again?
*The plot seems to forget that Trypticon is still hanging out on Cybertron at the end of the episode! Once Starscream loses his control over him, he just vanishes from the story.

*Warpath and Bumblebee appear (for one shot each) on the Autobots' base on Cybertron at the end of the episode. Is there some reason why they made the trip there from Earth?



===Foreign localization===
'''French'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Le fantôme dans la machine'''" ("Ghost in the Machine")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?
::*To date, and although there is probably one in existence, the European French dub of this episode is lost. The French DVD editions use the Canadian French dub instead.
::*In the Canadian French dub, Rodimus Prime is still called Rodimus Primo instead of Rodimus Primus. The same goes for the Aerialbots, called that way instead of Aérobots.

'''German'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Der Geist im Roboter'''" ("The Ghost inside the Robot")
:*''Title (Generation 2 dub):'' "'''Starscream kehrt zurück'''" ("Starscream Returns")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Italian'''
:*''Title (first dub):'' "'''Lo spettro nella macchina'''" ("The Phantom in the Machine")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?
::*Powerglide says that Metroplex shot him slightly '''before''' he actually shot him. Immediately after, Warpath weirdly calls him "robot". Also, Powerglide's line: «It just isn't my day» becomes: «My horoscope said not to leave the house».
::*Starting from this episode, the Protectobots are called by their English name (although used as an invariable noun) rather than the Italian one.
:*''Title (second dub):'' "'''Il fantasma nella macchina'''" ("The Ghost in the Machine")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Japanese'''
:*''Title:'' スタースクリームの復活 (''Starscream no Fukkatsu'', "Starscream's Revival")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[March 13]], [[1987]]

'''Mandarin'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Guǐhún Zuòsuì '''" ('鬼魂作祟, "Ghost Haunt")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Brazilian Portuguese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Fantasma na Máquina'''" ("Ghost in the Machine")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Russian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Prizrak v mashine'''" (''Призрак в машине'', "Ghost in the Machine")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1987 — ''Transformers'' — Starscream's Ghost / The Nightmare Planet / The Ghost in the Machine ([[St. Michael Video Library]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1989 — ''Transformers'' — A Ghost in the Machine / Heavy Metal Wars ([[Tempo Video]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1989 — ''Transformers'' — The Action Adventure Collection II (Tempo Video) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2000 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Volume 11: The Decepticon Possession ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]])
;{{w|LaserDisc}}
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''The Transformers: 2010'' ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — ''The Transformers: 2010'' — DVD Box (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2004 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 3 Part 2 & Season 4 ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Season 3 and Season 4 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 4: Series 3.1 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2006 — The Best of ''The Transformers'' (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2007 — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Episodes (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of France.png|20px|France]] 2007 — ''Transformers'' — Le Fantôme dans la Machine ([[UFG Junior]]) — Canadian French audio only. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season's Three & Four {{sic}} (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2010 — ''The Transformers'' — Seasons Three & Four: 25th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2011 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Original Series (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''The Transformers'' — Seasons Three & Four: 30th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2014 — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Animated Series (Metrodome)

==External links==
*[https://web.archive.org/web/20230305021923/http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cartoon-dossier/season-3/synopses/700-100.html Episode Dossier at The Cybertron Chronicle]
*[https://drive.google.com/open?id=1okGS61tLlN0p6U1E_7natShpk9K5ClG4 Episode dialogue script]
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Devcon (G1)

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:''Devcon is an [[Autobot]] from the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:Devconbodiesprofile.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It's turkey ''and'' jerky!]]
'''Devcon''' is a self-proclaimed bounty hunter, one of the successful few during the years of the Great War. Harboring an intense hatred of [[Decepticon]]s, he spent his time fiercely hunting those who were too dangerous for the other [[Autobot]]s to consider. Who he works for or who he would even collect money from for his "finds" is unknown.

It's possible for Devcon to survive for extended periods without refueling due to his incredibly efficient internal systems. This is often what allows him to outlast the efforts of his prey. The origin of his legendary tracking skills are unknown; much of his past is a mystery. In his original body, he has an arm-mounted plasma blaster and a head-mounted laser cannon. His space cruiser mode is capable of long range interstellar flight.<ref name="profile">Devcon's profile in [[Betrayal|''Wreckers'' #2 (revised)]]</ref>

He ''used'' to be friendly, courteous, and jovial, but his post-Great War career as an [[Imperial Peace Marshal]] apparently made him a bitter cynic.

{{quote|He used to call himself a 'bounty hunter', and I never once saw him get paid for his work.|[[Apelinq (BM)|Apelinq]]|[[Betrayal|Devcon's profile]]}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[John Stephenson]] (English), [[Hirotaka Suzuoki]] (Japanese)|[[Liu Qin]] (Chinese), [[João Francisco Turelli]] (Brazilian Portuguese), [[Éric Legrand]] (European French)}}
{{twoimages|File:Devcon-Body01.jpg|File:Gambler Devcon vehicle.jpg|w1=100|w2=244}}

Devcon left his home planet [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] [[MYA|millions of years ago]], "during the Great War". He was a nice guy, dedicated to his job, but lonely.

In [[1985]], Devcon tracked [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]], [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] to the gambling asteroid [[Monacus]]. When the [[Decepticon]]s unknowingly evaded him, he headed to a bar and ended up laying the smack down to a pair of thugs who were picking on [[Slizardo]], the henchman of a local mob boss. In doing so, he caught the attention of fellow Autobot [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] and the alien gambler [[Bosch]], who were down on their luck following a bad bet. Devcon was pleased by the presence of another Autobot, and sat down to drink with the pair. Devcon's life story was interrupted by Slizardo trying to pledge his eternal loyalty to him.

After helping Smokescreen and the other Autobots on Monacus (and declining an offer to join the Autobots on [[Earth]]), Devcon flew off into space with Slizardo in tow as his new sidekick. {{storylink|The Gambler}}

====''Wings Universe''====
{{Wingsnote}}
[[File:HtF-Devconwithmask.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.75|Alas, poor [[Steve (Vehicon)|Steve]]! I knew him, [[Ginrai (robot)|Ginrai]].]]

During a "Decepticon uprising" in the early 21st century C.E., Devcon was an Autobot bounty hunter who took down all the members of [[Axer (G1)|Axor]]'s group except for Axor. This caused the Decepticon to develop a paranoid need to be ready for anything, even when he joined the renowned pirate group known as the [[Star Seeker]]s. {{storylink|Tornado - Decepticon Saboteur}}

[[Primal Prime]] removed Devcon from the [[Wreckers]] for his failure to follow orders. To Prime's chagrin, [[Ginrai (robot)|Ginrai]] snatched up Devcon soon after and put him back to work for the [[Cybertronian Knight]]s, using the same tactics Primal Prime found abhorrent.

While hunting for [[Flamewar (G1)|Flamewar]], Devcon and [[Apelinq (BM)|Apelinq]] tracked her handiwork to a safehouse for delegates from the [[Twin Star]] Continuum.

When the Knights were reluctantly called in for a mandatory meditation session and lecture from [[Cheetor (BW)|Alpha Trizer]], Devcon said he heard that the Wreckers would not take the mission. He further quipped to [[Flareup (G1)|Flare-Up]] that 'bots had been bored into [[stasis lock]] by such sessions, but Apelinq deemed that rumor to be an exaggeration. {{storylink|Tornado - Decepticon Saboteur|Apelinq's personal logs}}

Devcon later tracked Flamewar to the [[Galadria Space Bridge Outpost]] in the [[Delta Prysmos Sector]]. The mercenary happened across the Star Seekers, pirates led by [[Cannonball (G1)|Cannonball]] who had just time-traveled to the "present". They intended to use the space bridge nexus to access [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]]'s head, and use it as a massive energon siphon to drain Cybertron dry. As Flamewar joined the pirates, Devcon posed as one of the [[Dread Pirate Crew]] to mingle as they passed through the Space Bridge to Unicron. He signaled Ginrai and the Knights for backup, but was found out by the voracious [[Shokaract|Hunter]] and [[Olin Zarak]]. Still, reinforcements arrived and the Knights teamed up to defeat and apprehend Flamewar and the pirates. {{storylink|Hoist the Flag}}
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====Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity====
=====''Legacy VS500 Collection Special Comic''=====
Devcon was a spectator for the second week of the [[Speedia 500]] on [[Velocitron]]. {{storylink|Velocitron Speedia 500 Part 3}}

=====''Legends'' comic=====
In 2039, Devcon reconnected with Smokescreen. The former Autobot had suffered a breakdown and turned against his comrades. Devcon told Smokescreen and his new partner [[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]] that it was possible to compromise in the name of peace. With Devcon's support, Smokescreen and Dreadwing agreed to make an effort to find peace with other Cybertronians. {{storylink|Transformers Legends Final Chapter "Epiloge"}}
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===3H comics===
[[File:Devconjerkhole.jpg|thumb|Used to be Charlton Heston, now he's Lobo.]]
Devcon was a jerk who ditched that Slizardo loser out an airlock first chance he got. At the end of the Great War, Devcon retired from his seemingly payless bounty hunter gig and signed on as one of the Maximals' [[Imperial Peace Marshal]]s.<ref name="profile"/>

Hundreds of [[stellar cycle]]s later, Devcon was critically damaged during the [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon]] takeover of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and forced to transfer his [[Spark]] into one of [[Mirage (BM)|Mirage]]'s "[[chase-model drone]]s". {{storylink|Betrayal}} In need of a ride, he later snuck aboard an [[Autobot shuttle]] the [[Wreckers]] had stolen to leave Vehicon-controlled Cybertron. After attacking and defeating [[Packrat]], [[Sonar (BW)|Sonar]], and [[Mol]] for no reason, he was confronted by the rest of the Wreckers when they were alerted to his presence. {{storylink|Departure}} [[Fractyl]] and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] were also quickly dispatched before [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]] could calm him down.

Devcon proceeded to sow dissent amongst the already-fractured Wreckers with his abrasive, snarky personality. After landing on [[Archa Nine]] and failing to keep the [[Divine Light]] out of the hands of the traitorous [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], the Wreckers gladly built Devcon back into his original body so he could go away. {{storylink|Betrayal}}

[[File:Disclosure CSSB-16 Devcon & co.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Assholes finish first, losers!]]

Having sworn vengeance against Cyclonus, Devcon, knowing he needed help, sought for someone willing to assist him at [[Spaceport CSSB-16]]. Though not enough in a hurry to skip on [[Devcon's galpal|some]] [[Oil|enjoyment]], he swiftly got the [[Dinobot (BM)|Dinobots]] to join forces with him. {{storylink|Disclosure}} He was left unimpressed by the condition of T-Wreck's ship. {{storylink|The Wreckers: Finale Part 1}}

{{note|In the unpublished portion of "[[The Wreckers: Finale Part 1]]", Devcon and the Dinobots returned to Cybertron just in time to stand against the invasion of the [[Quintesson]]s, whom [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]] and Cyclonus had partnered with. Hearing the Wreckers had a beeline on the villains, Devcon met up with them deep below Cybertron and did battle with Cyclonus. He was present when [[Primal Prime]] and [[Apelinq (BM)|Apelinq]] fused into the [[Primus]]-powered [[Sentinel Maximus]] to oppose the equally empowered Cryotek.}}

As Sentinel Maximus and Cryotek began their epic battle, Devcon and the Wreckers were left to deal with Cyclonus, Cryotek's pet [[Deployer (BM)|Deployer]] [[Chro]], a borrowed swarm of [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]]s, and a legion of drones created by the Divine Light. Typical Wrecker odds. Even their vaunted tenacity started to slip, however, as more and more heroes fell in battle or just [[Cauldron|vanished mysteriously]]. With the drones destroyed and Rodimus occupying Cyclonus, Devcon and the newly arrived [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] were the only ones left standing against the mutated Deployer. A stray shot left Devcon stunned and helpless, and he would have been destroyed by Chro if not for the well-timed arrival of [[Tigatron]] and Arcee with reinforcements. The Wreckers arrived in time for the final conflict between Sentinel Maximus and Cryotek, but were unable to stop their leader from sacrificing himself to carry Cryotek through a portal into the featureless void, opened by their treacherous ally, the Quintesson [[Al-badur]]. With Rodimus dead and Maximus gone, it was a pyrrhic victory at best.

After the invasion was quelled, Devcon planned to take off for deep space again. As security chief of Cybertron, [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] offered him a position with planetary defense, but the bounty hunter declined. Devcon finally admitted that he had at least given Slizardo a space suit and survival kit before dumping him out that airlock, and that maybe he'd seek the little guy out to restart their partnership after all. {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}

Devcon was a [[Child of Primus]].<ref name="profile"/>

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:Devcon empty.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Invisible derelict.]]
Devcon was sitting against a pipe near an entrance to the [[Old Slave Trails]] on a [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]-controlled Cybertron. {{storylink|Passive Aggression}}

===''Kre-O'' online manga===
[[File:KreO-webcomic-4-Devcon.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.25]]
Devcon had himself a hearty laugh when [[Megatron (Kre-O)|Megatron]] attempted to replicate [[Optimus Prime (Kre-O)|Optimus Prime]]'s new clear-torso'd power-up via a see-through negligee. {{Storylink|Wheeljack's Bizarre Invention! Optimus Power Up!?}}

===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
At some point during the war, Devcon became a binary bonded [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] with his partner, [[Slizardo]]. Continuing his role as a bounty hunter and peacekeeping agent, Devcon accepted a mission to hunt down the Cybertronian space pirates known as the [[Star Seeker]]s after the [[Armistice]] and [[Great Push]] severely limited Cybertron's [[Allowed Zone]] in space. Teamed with another Headmaster pair, Devcon and his partners defeated the Star Seekers and brought them back to Cybertron for trial. {{storylink|Safe Spaces|Star Dasher's profile}}
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==Toys==
===''Expanded Universe''===
[[File:DevconCatalog.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Somehow even snarkier than this wiki.]]
<ul class=iconlist>{{bp-a1|'''Devcon''' (<s>2002</s>)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories:'' Two missiles
:At [[BotCon 2001]], a hand-painted [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon]] [[Mirage (BM)#Toys|Mirage]], representing Devcon as seen in the ''Wreckers'' comics, was one of several future exclusives that attendees could vote to have produced for [[BotCon 2002]]. He evidently lost the vote, as the ultra-sized [[Jetstorm (BM)#BMUltra|Jetstorm]] as G1 [[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#Universe (2003)|Cyclonus]] was produced the following year. The mock-up was put on display along with many other unmade Wreckers toys in the BotCon 2002 art room.
::*''[http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/resources/review/universe/devcon/3799 Image gallery of the hand-painted sample of the Botcon figure, purchased from Jon Hartman by Transformers at the Moon]''
{{canceledtoy}}
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===''Universe'' (2003)===
[[File:Devconslugslinger.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
<ul class=iconlist>{{bp-a1|'''Devcon''' (<s>2005</s>)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories:'' Missile
:Among the submitted proposals for [[3H Productions|3H]]'s OTFCC 2005 exclusives was ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' [[Slugslinger (Energon)#Toys|Slugslinger]] (with a new head) as ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' Devcon. Whether it actually would have been produced had 3H kept the convention license is unknown.
{{canceledtoy}}
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===''Timelines''===
[[File:BotCon2014-Devcon.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|Fun Pub tempts fate.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-multi|'''Pirates vs Knights''' (BotCon 2014 box set)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': 2 handguns

: [[Exclusive]] to [[BotCon 2014]], ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' "Knight Devcon" is a [[retool]] of ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Scourge (G1)/toys#Generations|Scourge]], and transforms into a jet loosely based on the {{w|Boeing X-48}} blended wing body concept aircraft. He comes with two weapons that are both held via [[5 mm post|5 mm post]], and can combine via [[C joint]]. These weapons can store inside each of his cape halves/aircraft wings. The weapon with the clip can also attach to the 3 mm bar of his head-mounted laser. You can get the weapon to peg into the screwhole on his elbow to approximate the cartoon model's arm-mounted cannon, but it's a really really tight and shallow fit. Like many, many aircraft-based Transformers, Devcon possesses landing gear in his [[alternate mode]]. There is a pair of flaps near the middle of his underside that can unfold to display six wheels, and underneath his [[robot mode]] head is a seventh landing gear wheel that can be flipped out.

: Devcon's new headsculpt is very similar to, but different from, the Devcon-esque "pretooled" alternate head that ultimately was used for the [[Sweep (G1)#Generations|''Platinum Edition'' "Decepticon Sweep"]]. Fun Publications was not made aware that the Devcon head existed, thus the redundant retooling.

: He was only available in a box set with fellow knight [[Ginrai (robot)#Timelines|Ginrai]] and the pirates [[Cannonball (G1)#Timelines|Cannonball]], [[Ferak#Timelines|Ferak]], [[Tornado#Timelines|Tornado]], [[Scorponok (G1)#Timelines|Scorponok]], and [[Olin Zarak]].

:This toy was also [[redeco]]ed with the mold's alternate head into [[TakaraTomy]] ''Generations'' [[Ratbat (G1)#Generations|Ratbat]] and ''Timelines'' [[Serpentor#Timelines|Serpent O.R.]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/BCDevcon/devcon.htm More information on Devcon at TFU.info]''
{{GenerationsScourgeMold}}
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===''Legacy''===
[[File:LegacyEvolutiontoy-Devcon.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Back to the Cold War.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Autobot Devcon''' (Deluxe, 2023)}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy name'': '''Autobot Defcon''' (オートボットデフコン)
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''TL-44'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[2023]] [[October 28]]
:*''Accessories'': Blaster, 2 Thrusters
:*''Known designers'': [[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro), [[Ittoku Kuwazu]] and [[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)<ref>[https://www.instagram.com/p/CqoV3QvvZAS/ Design notes] on ''Legacy'' Devcon from [[Hasbro]] designer [[Mark Maher]] on Instagram</ref>

: Released in the sixth wave of ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' Deluxes, ''Legacy: Evolution'' "Autobot Devcon" is a ''heavy'' retooling of the ''[[Studio Series]]'' [[Blurr (G1)/toys#Studio Series|Blurr]] mold into an animation-accurate version of the character, turning into a Cybertronian aircraft in 13 steps. His [[Evo-Fusion]] technology is his two detachable thrusters, which can be attached to his handheld blaster to form a "laser cannon". They can also be worn on his back as a [[jet pack]], or otherwise rest on the back of his calves. Devcon ''can'' be transformed with his thrusters on his legs, though it can result in them facing upwards.

:Designer Mark Maher wanted to include [[Slizardo]] with this figure, but unfortunately could not fit it into the budget.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qv8dh66d48&t=1152 Transformers Fanstream] on [[Hasbro Pulse]]'s Youtube channel, [[April 4]], 2023</ref>

:Despite what the stock renders depict, the 5 mm hands are left unpainted in the actual product.

:Devcon's shipping wave barely hit brick-and-mortar stores at all, and many online retailers did not get Devcon in their orders from Hasbro, instead receiving solid cases of the individual characters Tarantulas, Axlegrease, and Beachcomber. Devcon remained scarce months after, leading to rumors that the toy may have been pulled out of the wave in mid-distribution, possibly related to the concurrent preorder cancellations of the [[Nacelle (G1)#Legacy|Nacelle]] Amazon exclusive. Perhaps Devcon truly ''is'' cursed after all!

::*''[https://www.instagram.com/p/CqoV3QvvZAS/ Designer commentary on ''Legacy'' Devcon from Mark Maher on Instagram]''
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==Notes==
*Devcon's name is a play on the word "{{w|DEFCON}}", an acronym related to military alertness.<ref name="WriterInterview">[https://web.archive.org/web/20250303210745/https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/an-interview-with-transformers-g1-cartoon-writer-michael-charles-hill-by-todd-matthy/48522/ An Interview with Transformers G1 cartoon writer Michael Charles Hill by Todd Matthy]</ref> Devcon's creator, franchise writer [[Michael Charles Hill]], originally used the word DEFCON as the character's name, but changed it due to series writing restrictions on “nuclear” terms related to [[Cold War (history)|Cold War]] tensions at the time. To preserve his intent, Hill instead used a soundalike word.{{Fact}}
*Michael Charles Hill created Devcon in his first writing job for the franchise, unaware that non-toy featured characters were uncommon in the series. Since there was no bounty hunter character in the ''Transformers'' cartoon and the script for "The Gambler" called for one, Hill simply created his own, inspired by the popularity of [[Boba Fett]]. He would later regret not bringing Devcon back in more episodes, since the possibility never occurred to him at the time.<ref name="WriterInterview">[https://web.archive.org/web/20250303210745/https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/an-interview-with-transformers-g1-cartoon-writer-michael-charles-hill-by-todd-matthy/48522/ An Interview with Transformers G1 cartoon writer Michael Charles Hill by Todd Matthy]</ref>
*Devcon's inclusion in the ''Wreckers'' comic was due to writer [[Rob Gerbracht]] being a big fan of the character. A serialized web series written in the style of Gerbracht's [[Apelinq's War Journals]] was planned to describe the fall of the Peace Marshals and Devcon's escape from torture at the hands of [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]]. These were among many ideas that went unrealized as [[3H Productions]] inched closer to its eventual demise. Devcon's deep-seated anger and hatred of [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], oddly alluded to throughout "[[Betrayal]]", subsequently went unexplained beyond a general distrust for Decepticons.
*Like all non-toy robot Kreons in the ''Kre-O'' comics, Devcon is made from existing ''Kre-O'' parts. He actually eschews a helmet-piece like the others, so a standard small pistol can be plugged into the hole on the top of a Kreon head-piece. Neat, huh?
*The Headmaster ''Beast Wars: Uprising'' incarnation of Devcon was never visually depicted, but a possible look for him and Slizardo can be seen in editor [[Jesse Wittenrich]]'s mockup.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/new-images-of-concepts-and-customized-figures-from-fun-pub-at-petes-robot-convention-2017/39073/ Concepts and Customized Figures from Fun Pub at Pete's Robot Convention 2017] [http://snakas.blog95.fc2.com/blog-entry-7358.html Unused Headmaster Devcon with Slizardo mock up concept(archived)] {{Citesocial|quote=I had a couple people ask me if I thought Legacy Devcon being a(n extensive) retool of Blurr was an homage to the unrealized Fun Pub Devcon that I had painted the mock up for. That would be cool. But I think it's just a coincidence since it works so well.|link=https://twitter.com/JesseWittenrich/status/1643777716041154560|name=Jesse Wittenrich|site=Twitter|day=05|month=04|year=2023}}</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Defcon''' (デフコン ''Defukon'')
*''French:'' '''Devcan'''
*''Mandarin:'' '''Devcon''' (Taiwan, 戴夫康 ''Dài Fū Kāng''), '''Díwúshuāng''' (China, 敌无双, "Peerless")
*''Russian:'' '''Piston''' (Пистон)

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Beast Machines Autobots]]
[[Category:Beast Wars: Uprising Autobots]]
[[Category:BotCon exclusives]]
[[Category:Bounty hunters]]
[[Category:Children of Primus]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 1 cartoon Autobots]]
[[Category:Knights]]
[[Category:Kre-O Autobots]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:Legacy Autobots]]
[[Category:Timelines characters]]
[[Category:Universe Autobots]]
[[Category:Wings Universe Autobots]]
[[Category:Wreckers]]
[[Category:Law enforcement]]

Starscream's Brigade

2025-03-03T21:17:01Z

Omegatron:

{{episode
|image=Starscreamsbrigade2.jpg
|caption=Surely, this will be his moment to shine...or not.
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|ep=62
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|ep2=53
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|next2=The Revenge of Bruticus
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|ep3=19
|prev3=Triple Takeover
|next3=The Revenge of Bruticus
|title="Starscream's Brigade"
|season=2
|season ep=46
|written by=[[Michael Charles Hill]]
|production code=700-61
|airdate=[[January 7]], 1986
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|animation studio=[[Toei Animation|Toei]], [[Nakamura Production]], [[Sei Young Animation Co. Ltd.]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
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'''After his latest attempt to overthrow Megatron's rule of the Decepticons, Starscream is banished from HQ, but this time, he hatches a plan...'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Starscreamsbrigade1.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|YOU'RE FIRED!]]
In [[1943]], at the height of [[World War II]], [[human]]s waged war on one another on the island of [[Guadalcanal]] in the south Pacific. Their wrecked and useless vehicles lay there untouched through the decades, until the present time—[[1985]].

Within [[Decepticon Headquarters (G1 Earth)|Decepticon Headquarters]], [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] are having a spat over the fact Megatron favors [[Shockwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Shockwave]]. Predictably, it ends with Starscream shooting Megatron in the back and proclaiming himself the new leader. Megatron recovers after a few seconds, knocking Starscream to the ground. The rest of the Decepticons refuse to obey Starscream's order to kill Megatron, so he attempts to flee, only to be shot down by Megatron. At the Decepticon leader's order, [[Laserbeak (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Laserbeak]] carries Starscream away and dumps him on Guadalcanal.

Humiliated and infuriated, Starscream stumbles upon the remnants of some old World War II vehicles, which inspire him to create an army of his own. He forces his way past [[Thundercracker (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Skywarp]], who are guarding the [[space bridge]], and travels to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. There he breaks into a [[Decepticon Detention Center]] and liberates the [[personality component]]s of five [[Renegade Decepticon]]s. Returning to Guadalcanal, he installs them into the wrecked vehicles, which transform into the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]]. The quarrelsome warriors are not happy with their new bodies and threaten simply to beat Starscream to a pulp, until he reveals that their new bodies do not contain [[energy absorber]]s, without which they cannot refuel: "No energy, no life." In exchange for the needed equipment, the Combaticons agree to obey Starscream's orders for the moment.

[[File:StarscreamsBrigade Vortex capture.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|It was a whirlwind romance.]]
[[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cliffjumper]] are making a public appearance at the unveiling of the [[Optimus Prime memorial]] when Starscream and the Combaticons attack. The two [[Autobot]]s are badly outnumbered. The statue is soon in ruins, and pair are abducted in [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]]'s cargo bay. The Decepticons return to Guadalcanal, where Starscream celebrates triumphantly and the Combaticons squabble over who was responsible for the victory. He tells them to settle down and informs them that until they obtain five energy absorbers, no one is getting one.

At the Decepticon base, Shockwave informs Megatron that the Combaticons' personality components are missing. Assuming the Autobots are responsible, Megatron launches an attack on the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. The Autobots, meanwhile, have learned of the attack on the memorial and the abduction of Jazz and Cliffjumper, and they have assumed Megatron is responsible. When the Decepticon forces attack, the Autobots are confused by Megatron's demand for the personality components, and Optimus Prime's demand to turn over Jazz and Cliffjumper causes Megatron to suspect Starscream. Before he can complete his thought, a hit from Optimus knocks him to the ground and, realising that he and his men are low on energy, he orders a retreat. The Autobots consult [[Teletraan I]] again for the scoop on the personality components.

Starscream and the Combaticons attack the Decepticons while they're attempting to refuel at a train station. With the refueling incomplete, Megatron and his forces are compelled to retreat, allowing Starscream to capture Dirge and Ramjet as well. The energy absorber count is now four, and Starscream and his men retire to the [[Amalgamated Water and Power Plant]] to recharge.

[[File:Starscreams brigade 7 SSrideshoulder.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|"Aren't I supposed to have an evil ''and'' a good angel?"]]
Megatron, meanwhile, rallies his troops (except the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]], who are "busy"), and moves against Starscream and his army. In the ensuing battle, Megatron pulls out his trump card: [[Devastator (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Devastator]]. Unfortunately for him, Starscream pulls out ''his'' trump card when he reveals that the Combaticons can likewise combine into a single titan: [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]]! Bruticus makes short work of Devastator, laying out the combined [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]. The massive combiner then scoops up Megatron in one hand and forces him to acknowledge Starscream as the new Decepticon leader.

The Autobots use the battle's distraction to rescue Jazz and Cliffjumper; meanwhile, the late-arriving Stunticons look over the situation and decide that Starscream is too likely to continue his rampage. Merging into Menasor, they defeat the unsuspecting Bruticus with one massive punch.

From the resultant crater, Megatron emerges; grabbing Starscream by the throat, he decrees that Starscream and his army are banished from Earth. The usurpers are hauled away by [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and left stranded on a distant asteroid in deep space... from which Starscream swears vengeance.
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*[[Cliffjumper (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cliffjumper]] (19)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (21)
*[[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] (22)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] (23)
*[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] (24)
*[[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (25)
*[[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (28)
*[[Ironhide (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ironhide]] (39)
*[[Prowl (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Prowl]] (40)
*[[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] (41)
*[[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] (44)
*[[Ratchet (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ratchet]] (45)
|c2=
{{collist|3|
*[[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] (2)
*[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (3)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] (4)
*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] (5)
*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (6)
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] (7)
*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (8)
*[[Laserbeak (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Laserbeak]] (9)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Thundercracker]] (10)
*[[Skywarp (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Skywarp]] (11)
*[[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]] (12)
*[[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] (13)
*[[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] (14)
*[[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]] (15)
*[[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] (16)
*[[Shockwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Shockwave]] (20)
*"[[Blast (G1)|Black Thrust]]" (26)
*[[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] (27)
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (29)
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] (30)
*[[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] (31)
*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]] (32)
*[[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] (33)
*[[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]] (34)
*[[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] (35)
*[[Drag Strip (G1)|Drag Strip]] (36)
*[[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] (37)
*[[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] (38)
*[[Devastator (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Devastator]] (42)
*[[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] (43)
*[[Wildrider (G1)|Wildrider]] (46)
*[[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] (47)
*[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] (48)
}}
|c3=
*World War II soldiers (1)
*[[Marty Minkler]] (17)
}}

==Quotes==
"NOBODY TURNS HIS BACK ON ME!"
:—'''Starscream''', as Megatron turns his back on him.

"You are a fool, Starscream, if you think that anyone would ever follow your orders." 
"Just wait, Megatron. One of these days, I will have my revenge." 
"You and what army?"
:—'''Megatron''' inadvertently giving '''Starscream''' his scheme of the week.

"Who are you? And what are we doing in these crude carcasses?" 
"Yes, I wouldn't want to be seen by anyone I know in ''this'' getup."
:—'''Onslaught''' and '''Blast Off''', fashion critics.

"Hey Swindle! Listen to this! ...My sonic blaster blows 'em away!" 
"That's hip, Brawl. But check this out! Instant air conditioning!" 
"''Really.'' My ionic blaster is more sophisticated than any of ''your'' crude weapons." 
"Hang on to your hats! It's gonna get a little windy! Heheheheh!" 
"Thanks, Vortex. I could use a little ''target practice''!"
:—the '''Combaticons''' do a little bit of [[introdump]]ing toy salesmanship.

"I see incompetence breeds even more incompetence. HAHAHAHAHAHA!"
:—'''Megatron''' to Starscream, after the latter fails in his attempt to destroy the Decepticon leader.

"Now, Megatron: who is the new Decepticon leader?" 
"Enough! Uhm...you are." 
"I can't hear you!" 
"You are!" 
"I am now the leader of all Decepticons!"
:—'''Starscream''' has '''Megatron''' in the grip of Bruticus, literally.

'''Motormaster''': Megatron's in trouble. 
'''Dead End''': Who cares? 
'''Wildrider''': It looks like Starscream's defeated him. 
'''Dead End''': So? 
'''Motormaster''': So, you think Starscream's going to stop here? 
'''Dead End''': Good point. He never knows when to quit. 
'''Motormaster''': Stunticons, unite to form Menasor!
:—The Stunticons survey Starscream's victory.

"Bruticus?" 
"No, Starscream, ''not'' Bruticus. It's Megatron—your ''leader''!" 
"Megatron, don't, please!" 
"This time, it really is 'goodbye', Starscream! Astrotrain, get him and his giant ally off this planet! They are banished from Earth...forever!" 
"You'll regret that you did not destroy me, Megatron! I shall have my revenge!"
:—'''Starscream''' and '''Megatron''' after the Decepticon leader survives Starscream's latest mutiny.

==Notes==
===Production information===
* First draft script: 16th September 1985
* Dialogue recording: 2nd October 1985

===Continuity notes===
[[File:StarscreamsBrigade Optimus Memorial.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|We shall remember you, Optimus. In case you happen to die.]]
[[File:Starscreamsbrigade megatron grabbed.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|This morning Megatron chipped a nail, causing his lieutenant Starscream to declare himself Decepticon leader.]]
*The Combaticons' creation is pretty crazy. Starscream puts the "personality components" - which actually just look like tiny energon cubes - into 5 old wrecked vehicles. The vehicles then "transform" into a state of full repair, then transform again into the Combaticons' new modern [[alternate mode]]s. And ''somehow'' through this rather organic process, Starscream manages to exclude energy absorbers in their bodies.
*Earth builds a [[Optimus Prime memorial|memorial]] to [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] before he's even dead... [[The Transformers: The Movie|Ominous]].
*Gadgets and powers:
**The Combaticons pontificate on their weapons and abilities, as quoted above.
**Jazz pulls his gun out of his aft. Seriously - he reaches behind his lower back, we hear a panel-sliding noise, and he brings his gun into view.
*Powerglide reports the location of the Decepticons' firefight as "on the north side" without mentioning any particular city. Another "appearance" of [[Central City (Earth)|Central City]]?
*As they transform into Bruticus's limbs, the Combaticons make groaning noises in Bruticus's voice, like they're having a really painful bowel movement. This was ''so amazingly cool'' that it would be [[The Route of All Evil|replicated in print form]] by Dreamwave two decades later.
*"Personality components" are shown to be small, glowing pink cubes.
*''Timelines'' would revisit the history of the Combaticons, as alluded to in this episode, in its [[Transformers: Wings Universe|''Wings'' universe]].
*'''[[Triple Takeover|< <]]''' What makes Starscream the leader? Megatron said so! Well, hard to argue with that, huh? '''[[The Revenge of Bruticus|> >]]'''

===Real-world references===
*The episode opens with a sepia-toned flashback to the battle of Guadalcanal, 1943, with a variety of vehicles shown fighting, including a battle ship, a pillbox, a gun emplacement, and several amphibious landing ships. Several are shown abandoned in the present day and become the Combaticons:
**An M4 Sherman tank, which becomes Brawl (drawn a bit generically.)
**A (yellow and purple!) Jeep which becomes Swindle
**A (purple!) B-17 Flying Fortress, the 4-engine bomber which becomes Blast Off.
**An F4U Corsair - the single-engine fighter which becomes Vortex. (The pilot who ejects when the plane is shot down has his goggles pushed up onto his helmet.)
**A half-track transport which becomes Onslaught.
*Speaking of which, this is the one and only time we get a confirmed date for the cartoon's events. Unsurprisingly enough, they are set in 1985, when this season of the show aired.
*''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' sound effects:
**Clashing lightsabers as Devastator opens fire

===Animation and technical errors===
[[File:StarscreamsBrigade Soundwave eyes.JPG|right|upright=1.1|thumb|Maybe Megatron isn't the one Starscream should be worried about...]]
*The art in this episode is noticeably sub-par. Characters are more often than not poorly rendered with odd proportions and really rough or incomplete linework (oftentimes both at the same time) in addition to the typical errors.
**Additionally, Starscream's head shape often switches (as in, sometimes between ''cuts'') between the one from Season 1 with the elongated chin and rounded helmet and his updated Season 2 design with the blockier features.
*In the opening shot of the Decepticons in their base, Thrust, Dirge and Ramjet are all missing their wings. Astrotrain's head is too big, and he's missing the red bits of detailing on his chest.
*In the shot of Soundwave, Thrust and Astrotrain watching Megs and Screamer squabble, Soundwave's visor is incorrectly drawn as two separate (and rather creepy) optics, and his tape door has the wrong shape. Thrust's cockpit is drawn incorrectly and sort of bleeds into his chest, and he's drawn with a super-huge chin strap that shouldn't be there at all. And Astrotrain's still missing his red details, as well as the Decepticon insignia on his wings - which suddenly appear when he and the others react to Megatron getting shot (The other errors from the earlier shot are retained however).
*Starscream's missing one of his wing insignia as he walks over to the downed Megatron.
*Coloring errors:
**When Megatron kicks him away, Starscream's cockpit is all yellow instead of yellow with gray stripes.
**As he looms over Starscream, Megatron's abdominal section is uncolored (a few shots later, he has the red and blue buttons back).
**When Megatron jams his fusion cannon in Starscream's face, Starscream's mouth is the same medium gray as the rest of his face.
**As Starscream brushes off the tank's hatch, his red coloration bleeds into his helmet and face.
**Starscream has blue eyes as he orders Skywarp and Thundercracker to stand aside.
**While Starscream tells the Combaticons he wants them to defeat Megatron, he's got blue eyes again, his cockpit cowling is colored yellow, and his wings are missing for a moment - then they're drawn smaller than usual. They change in size and shape throughout the episode.
**As Vortex creates wind in helicopter mode, Cliffjumper is colored like Bumblebee.
**As he listens to Teletraan's report, Gears's back is colored the same light blue as his windshield.
**When Megatron says "This is your last chance, Optimus!", a black Thrust is standing to his left. (This animation error would become [[Blast (G1)|a recurring background character]] in later Japanese media.) The camera cuts to Prime and then back to Megatron, who now has a properly decoed Thrust standing to his right. In the latter shot, the barrel of Megatron's fusion cannon is too short.
**In the first shot of the Combaticons recharging, Vortex's forehead is colored red, instead of his visor.
**As Starscream says it will not be long before Megatron launches an assault, his hands and lower arms are red instead of blue.
**When Powerglide flies over the Decepticons, his plane mode is not only [[Bad Boy|white]], but a different model. It's back to normal when the scene cuts back to the Autobots.
**When the Autobots arrive at the battle and transform, Optimus' waist is uncolored for a moment.
**As Menasor flies towards him, Starscream's face is dark gray instead of light gray, and his eyes are blue - and triangular instead of rectangular.
**Blue eyes on Starscream again as Megatron throttles him.
**As he lies face-down on the asteroid, Onslaught seems to have some of Prowl's color scheme.
*As Starscream orders "his" troops to attack Megatron, Soundwave, Thrust and Astrotrain are again shown watching, in the same positions but totally re-drawn, seemingly by the A-list illustrators this time. The only thing they got wrong is Thrust's cockpit, which is way too wide.
*When Megatron shoots Starscream at the beginning of the episode, a plume of fire appears at the aft end of his cannon, a phenomena not usually seen ([[Power Play!|in the cartoon, at least.]])
*Starscream's wing stripes and insignia appear out of nothing when Laserbeak picks him up.
[[File:StarscreamsBrigade Guadalcanal.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|No wing insignia, and he's missing the red striping on his wings as well.]]
*Throughout the episode, the animators can't seem to decide which way up to have Starscream's Decepticon [[insignia]] (or that he has them at all).
*As Starscream stands and marvels at the tank he just dug up, the cels of both the Seeker and the tank jitter when the camera zooms out.
*Thundercracker's cockpit lines disappear as he turns to see Starscream's arrival.
*As the Space Bridge activates, the control panel that Skywarp just used is no longer there.
[[File:Decepticon Detention Center.jpg|thumb|right| No, ''you'' run like a girl! |upright=1.1]]
*The Decepticon detention center sure looks like something you'd find on Earth, eh? The doors are labeled with Arabic numerals and personality components are kept in file cabinets!
*When he's in the Decepticon Detention Center, Starscream's audio is out of synch with the animation; he's still counting off room numbers well after he's already passed them and is standing in front of his destination.
*Starscream's vents are quite a bit higher than the door frame, but he miraculously manages to run into the room without them getting in the way.
*A couple of layering errors as Starscream inserts the personality cubes into the wrecked vehicles.
*Even disregarding the size of their original Earth vehicles and their final [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]s, the Combaticons have a lot of scale issues throughout the episode. Generally, Onslaught should be the tallest, Swindle the shortest, with Brawl, Blast Off and Vortex somewhere in between.
*And like the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticon]]s before them, the Combaticons don't seem to have detailed transformation schemes worked out for the animators to use. The animators often show no understanding of what [[robot mode]] parts correspond to which vehicle mode parts. In his first transformation, for example, Vortex's helicopter mode morphs into an egg-shaped blob, which his robot form grows and morphs out of. And when Onslaught transforms during their first battle, the wheels on his arms disappear, and are replaced by ''other'' wheels that fold out from under him.
[[File:StarscreamsBrigade Starscream Brawl.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
*Onslaught's backpack guns are missing when he and Brawl react to the energy absorber news. And hey, wasn't Brawl over by Starscream, threatening his life, just one shot ago?
*In the first shot of the covered-up "memorial", it's actually floating above the pedestal. Jazz and Cliffjumper are in the shot, but in the next shot of the memorial, they're gone.
*In the first shot of the memorial, Cliffjumper is on Jazz's right; in subsequent shots, he's on Jazz's left. Also in the second shot, Jazz has a vertical line through his face instead of a mouth.
*When Blast Off pontificates about his ionic blaster, only the center part of his faceplate moves. The whole thing should be animated.
*Jazz starts reacting to being sucked into the air before it actually happens.
*Vortex is a hundred feet or so in the air when he pulls in the two Autobots... then only a few feet off the ground in the next shot.
[[File:StarscreamsBrigade OnslaughtVortex.jpg|thumb|right|So many possible captions, so little space.|upright=1.1]]
*Onslaught has two separate eyes as he helps Vortex to his feet. During the same scene, the background music seems to be off-pitch.
*Megatron's head seems a little small when he's chatting to Shockwave over the comm. Also, he's missing his cannon.
*As he reacts to this the news, Optimus Prime's fog lights are drawn too long (they extend all the way to his back!).
*Prime's trailer has none of its detailing as he rolls out of Autobot Headquarters; it's just a plain gray box.
*In the shot after Optimus fires at Megatron, Thrust is shown at the latter's side in his full normal colour scheme. In the next shot showing him, his red is replaced with the same grey in the rest of his colour scheme. And then in the next shot featuring him after ''that'', he's shown standing at the opposite side of Megatron than in the previous shots!
*Megatron and three jets are consistently shown to be attacking Autobot HQ... but as the 'bots watch them fly off, 8 Decepticons are shown.
*As Optimus watches the Decepticons retreat, a blue blemish appears at the upper left edge of the animation cel.
*During the same shot, Optimus turns towards the camera and his chest grille is triangular instead of rectangular. Also, as he leaves the frame it suddenly loses all of its detail (the lines disappear, leaving a white blob). His arms, meanwhile, have some extra rectangles on them.
*The plot point that Megatron and company are running low on energy is pretty easy to miss. It's only alluded to by a shot that briefly shows the Decepticons standing around at a train station, with cables connecting them to the trains - but the cables are barely visible. A later line by Soundwave spells it out more clearly. (Fans have also interpreted Megatron's aborted fusion cannon blast as a symptom of low energy; see the Trivia notes below for more.)
*Gears is about as tall as Tracks when Optimus asks about the stolen personality components after the battle. The extra rectangles on Optimus's arms are also present in a shot during the scene. A few seconds later when Optimus orders the other Autobots to transform, Gears and Bumblebee now become smaller than Tracks while Powerglide grows to Tracks's height.
*When Starscream jumps over the subway car, he's missing his feet!
*Starscream's wings reach almost to his knees as he introduces Megatron to the Combaticons.
[[File:StarscreamsBrigade CombaticonsMegs.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
*When Swindle says "Bye bye, Megatron!", Onslaught is shorter than him and Vortex, and his face looks rather... smooshed.
*When Starscream says, "Don't think that it hasn't been fun," when he confronts Megatron, his wings are missing.
*There is no transformation noise for Thundercracker as the Decepticons bust out of the station.
*Just before Starscream points at Dirge and Ramjet, his mouth disappears for a moment.
*Ramjet fell on his back, but is laying face-down when Starscream points to him.
[[File:Combaticons group.jpg|thumb|right|upright=2.2]]
*In the pan across the debating Combaticons, Blast Off is tallest, instead of Onslaught.
*The scene transition music warbles in the subsequent cut to Autobot Headquarters.
*When Megatron rallies the Decepticons before going after Starscream, Shockwave is consistently shown with the group, even though he's supposed to be on Cybertron. A wingless Dirge is also seen in the group, despite the fact that he's supposed to be a prisoner of the Combaticons at that point. (It could be Thrust, miscolored.) Towards the end of the scene as Megatron orders the call for the Stunticons, Soundwave jitters back to his position in the group for a couple of frames as he walks towards the computer console.
*Swindle and Starscream have little residual half-rings left on their chests when they detach the energy cables, but they're gone in the next shot.
*Thundercracker (again!) has no transformation sound effect as he lands to attack. Despite being in robot mode in the previous shot!
*Starscream doesn't get the usual Decepticon laser effect as he opens fire.
*Improbable viewpoints:
**When Powerglide reports in, Teletraan provides the Autobots with a view of him flying along. Why not show them what he's actually looking at, instead?
*Ironhide has a sudden case of [[Dull surprise]] as Optimus issues the order to "Roll out" to the power plant.
*As usual, Devastator's transformation sequence is all kinds of screwy. This time, Hook transforms not only into his own portion of Devastator, but also most of Long Haul's and much of Bonecrusher and Scavenger's as well, including their cabs. A second later, Bonecrusher and Scavenger transform into their usual Devastator components—including the parts that Hook already formed! Long Haul and Mixmaster's transformations are left out of the animation entirely.
*Devastator's voice is missing its usual reverb echo.
*When Devastator's head pops out, he has two eyes. When he starts firing, he has his more usual visor.
*In addition to their ridiculous grunting in Bruticus's voice, Blast Off and Vortex somehow ''walk'' over to Bruticus after transforming into his arms.
*Bruticus's first line is "You make Bruticus angry!" The first two words are ''really'' easy to miss, however.
*Devastator goes back to two eyes when Bruticus knocks him down, and as he stands back up.
*Ironhide and Warpath were part of the team at Autobot HQ, but they're replaced by Ratchet and Grapple at the power plant.
*As the Decepticons fight alongside the fallen Devastator, Huffer is standing and shooting with them!
*In the shot with the Decepticons looking up at Bruticus holding Megatron while the Stunticons arrive, there are two more Decepticons than have been established being led by Megatron in the battle; including what looks like Shockwave.
[[File:StarscreamsBrigade Stunticon lineup.jpg|thumb|right|upright=2.2]]
*Dead End's missing the line in the middle of his visor, and has a huge neck (to compensate for his over-long helmet.)
*Once again, just like Devastator, Menasor's transformation is rather odd - Wildrider and Breakdown are shown attaching to the outside of Motormaster's legs, but in the next shot, they ''are'' his legs as they should be.


===Continuity errors===
*This episode was aired ''after'' "[[Aerial Assault]]", which also featured the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]].
*Thanks to the show's general reluctance to depict real-life firearms, the World War II soldiers are all fighting with laser guns.
*Starscream cannot seriously be so stupid as to think one shot is going to take out Megatron...[[The Ultimate Doom, Part 3|can he?]]
*How exactly did Megatron not inform either Skywarp or Thundercracker about Starscream's exile from the Decepticons? Skywarp doesn't seem to notice or care that this turn of events happened when Starscream threatens him at the space bridge.
*Starscream maintains control of the Combaticons by not installing [[energy absorber]]s into them, thereby preventing them from re-energising, and a repeated point is made that they must capture five Transformers in order to take their energy absorbers for the Combaticons. Yet the Combaticons are somehow able to recharge after capturing only four Transformers.
*Teletraan One has an odd habit of not telling the Autobots stuff it knows about! This time out, it doesn't inform them about the renegade Decepticon thefts until explicitly asked, even though five new Decepticons just showed up on Earth.
*After the Autobots figure out what's happening with Starscream and Megatron, Optimus dramatically orders his troops to "Transform and [[roll out]]!" But it seems they forgot to figure out where they were going; they're never shown arriving anywhere! The next time we see the Autobots, Optimus and Powerglide are once again standing in front of [[Teletraan I]], and Optimus orders Powerglide to search for Starscream. Who says Prime doesn't learn from his mistakes?
*As Megatron leads the attack on Starscream and the Combaticons; Thundercracker is shown firing at him in robot mode with the rest of the Decepticons. However, as he then lands with Megatron and Soundwave, he is shown transforming from Vehicle Mode into Robot Mode.
*Quite a few Decepticons are missing in the final battle, including Blitzwing, Skywarp, Thrust, Reflector, Ravage, Laserbeak, Buzzsaw and Frenzy.
*Considering how dangerous a battle involving a large number of Decepticons, including five new Decepticons the Autobots don't fully know the capabilities of; Prime's decision to just bring along Bumblebee, Prowl, Ratchet and Grapple out of the by now very large Autobot roster seems... odd, especially when no Autobots were shown to be damaged in the previous battle.
*So Astrotrain, in his space shuttle mode, can transport Starscream and the Combaticons to an asteroid in deep space, but Blast Off, a space shuttle himself, can't fly them back to Earth?

===Trivia===
[[File:StarscreamsBrigade Jazz Cliffjumper chained.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|right|Hey look! It's Jazz and Cliffjumper! Have we mentioned that lately?]]
*Notes from the original script [https://drive.google.com/open?id=16AFu-sJetMcZeKUIsbc_I-bacSYVC57p] :
**According to the cover, this episode was titled "30 Seconds over Megatron" before broadcast - a reference to the 1944 war movie ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Seconds_Over_Tokyo 30 Seconds over Tokyo]''. The final title is a reference to the film ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil%27s_Brigade_(film) The Devil's Brigade]. <ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20250303210745/https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/an-interview-with-transformers-g1-cartoon-writer-michael-charles-hill-by-todd-matthy/48522/ An Interview with Transformers G1 cartoon writer Michael Charles Hill by Todd Matthy]</ref>
**The script dictates specific, historically-accurate World War II vehicles for each one (as listed above), and then it describes them as their modern, toy-based forms, but no explanation is given for the transition. The WWII element of the Combaticons' origin is a strange choice since none of their toys are actually WWII-era vehicles. However, they can be shown going through a reconfiguration upon taking new bodies, causing the vehicles to "upgrade" into more advanced ones. Exactly how the Combaticons update their vehicular forms is not explained.
**The original script also calls for them to still be rusty and battered upon activation (hence their displeasure with their new bodies); some off-screen repairs then get them into fighting shape.
**Megatron's fusion cannon troubles are expanded upon in the original script (the reason for its original malfunction, during the attack on Autobot Headquarters, is not made clear - though the blast from Optimus that hits him might be a reasonable guess.) Later he's shown repairing it while the Decepticons re-energize in the train station, but it continues to give him trouble, giving him another reason to withdraw.
**Megatron says "Where is that fool Starscream?", as if to imply that they came to the train station to look for him. A cut script line from Soundwave makes it clear that Megatron has totally forgotten that he ousted his lieutenant and is just idly wondering where he is. It would appear Starscream's "I'm right here, Megatron" after Megatron asks the question was meant to (rather unsuccessfully) cover up this gap in the episode proper.
**The Aerialbots were slated to go scouting alongside Powerglide.
**A brief flashback, narrated by Megatron, was supposed to show the imprisoned Combaticons having their personality components removed back on Cybertron.
**Prime waits for a more opportune moment before sending his troops to rescue the prisoners.
**The script accounts for the energy absorber discrepancy, and makes it central to the outcome of the story. In the script, only four of the Combaticons recharge, with Brawl as the odd man out. As a result, instead of being defeated by Menasor, Bruticus runs out of power at the end of the battle. The Stunticons are not included in the script; it seems likely they were shoehorned in at the last minute by the same sort of corporate dictate that wedged the Protectobots into the last few episodes of the season, pretty severely fouling up the story the episode was trying to tell.
*Starscream blows up the Decepticon detention center after raiding it. Did he just kill a bajillion disembodied Decepticons? ''Cold''.
*Number of times that somebody says "Jazz and Cliffjumper": 7
*In a record for the series, Megatron calls for a retreat three times... all within 8 minutes.
*Devastator got his tail kicked. Can you tell he's no longer a new toy, folks?
*The plot of this episode is reused in a simplified form in "[[The Special Teams]]".

===Foreign localization===
'''French'''
:*''Title (Canadian and European French broadcasts):'' "'''La mutinerie'''" ("The Mutiny")
:*''Title (European French DVD release):'' "'''La brigade de Starscream'''" ("Starscream's Brigade")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?
::*All the logo transitions were cut. It is unknown if it was that way for the original broadcast or if the episode was chopped for the DVD release.
::*The intro conversation is not about Shockwave in the dub. Megatron explains that to be a worthy Decepticon, one has to be respectful towards their leader. Starscream answers that the leader should then be able to defeat the Autobots in order to be respected.
::*When we see Astrotrain, Thrust and Soundwave shocked by Starscream shooting Megatron, one of the voice actors adds an over-dramatic shocked reaction, but very late (next shot actually), probably as a joke.
::*When seeing the old tank, Starscream says "It kinda reminds me of the clumsy look of the big Blitzy!". Blitzwing was called by his full name previous episode, so maybe Starscream just uses a cute nickname for him.
::*Starscream's line "I know you're in here somewhere." got its "you" translated by "tu", making it sound like he's looking for one person or one object instead of five.
::*Teletraan-1 says that Soundwave was the one that removed the personality components from the Decepticons, instead of Shockwave.
::*When looking at Dirge and Ramjet, Starscream's line "Two more transformers to add to our collection" is mistakenly translated by "Two more Autobots to add to our collection".
::*Megatron's speech to his troops is sympathetically translated by "He is not capable of defeating us. He behaves as if he was only a few hundred years old!".
::*[[Francis Lax]] makes an auto-reference by making Drag Strip say "Tell Megatron he can take his little shovel and his bucket and go play around!". Lax created that expression for his dubbing of Han Solo in the original ''Star Wars'' film, when the latter says to Luke "Stay calm kid, take your shovel and your bucket and go play around!" during the Millenium Falcon pursuit.
::*Motormaster tells the Stunticons to form "Megachor" for some reason.
::*Name-dodging:
:::*Difficult challenge, but they managed to not pronounce Starscream's name a single time in the episode. He is called "that moron" by Powerglide, "Megatron's second" by Optimus Prime, "the one who thinks he can take my place" by Megatron, "the insane" by Motormaster, or simply "he" several times.
:::*As usual, Soundwave never pronounces Laserbeak's name. When ejecting him, he says "To work, and quickly!".
:::*Instead of saying the names of Jazz and Cliffjumper, Marty says "You already recognized them!". Cliffjumper then says "We are here incognito!", and Marty answers "Huh... Yes, okay".
:::*Teletraan-1 says that "two Autobots" were captured. Later, Optimus Prime asks Megatron to release "the two Autobots".
:::*Powerglide does not call Optimus Prime, it's the latter who just says "Show me what's happening there".
:::*Optimus Prime's lines "Jazz and Cliffjumper appear to be safe. Grapple, Ratchet, now go get Jazz and Cliffjumper!" are replaced by "They are in good shape. Go get them, and hurry up!".
::*Missing lines:
:::*Starscream's line "This thing must be huge!" is absent.
:::*Starscream's counting "214... 215... 216..." is absent.
:::*When about to shoot Megatron, Starscream does not precise "and there is nothing you can do to stop me!", creating a strange silence.
:::*Megatron's "Noooooo!" is missing.
:::*Brawl's line is missing as Dirge and Ramjet join the battle.
:::*Soundwave's line "Re-energization of troops incomplete. Must withdraw." is absent.
:::*Drag Strip does not precise that they are having a demolition derby, despite his mouth moving on screen.

'''German'''
:*''Title (Generation 2 dub):'' "'''Starscreams großer Kampf'''" ("Starscream's Big Fight")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[September 3]], [[1994]]

'''Italian'''
:*''Title (dub 1):'' "'''I Combacticons'''" ("The Combaticons")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?
::*When he reaches room 217, Starscream's line: «Ah ah! 217!» is changed to: «It should be somewhere...», making it look line he wasn't really sure the personality components were there. And... yes... he used a singular verb...
::*Since Cliffjumper is known in Italy as "Grillo", meaning "cricket", the name "Cliffjump" is changed to "Saltapicchio", which is another (more dialectal) way of saying "cricket".
::*Teletraan I says that Starscream was the one that removed the personality components from the Decepticons, instead of Shockwave.
:*''Title (dub 2):'' "'''La brigata di Starscream'''" ("The Brigade of Starscream")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?
::*The dub adds a fandom in-joke, as Marty's misnaming of Cliffjumper is changed to "[[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]]".

'''Japanese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Starscream Gundan'''" (スタースクリーム軍団, "Starscream's Brigade")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[July 18]], [[1986]]

'''Mandarin'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Hóngzhīzhū de Pànbiàn '''" (红蜘蛛的叛变, "Starscream's Mutiny")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Brazilian Portuguese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''O Motim do Starscream'''" ("Starscream's Mutiny")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Russian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Otryad Skandalista'''" (Отряд Скандалиста, "Starscream's Brigade")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] [[1988]] — The Action Adventure Collection ([[Tempo Video]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] [[1989]] — ''Transformers'' — Starscream's Brigade (Tempo Video) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] [[1993]] — The Biggest Ever Saturday Morning Heroes (Tempo Video) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] [[1999]] — ''The Original Transformers'' — Volume 3: Programmed for Evil ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]])
;{{w|LaserDisc}}
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] [[1995]] — ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' — Megatron Set ([[TakaraTomy|Takara]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''The Transformers'' — Decepticon Edition ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] [[2001]] — ''The Transformers'' — DVD Box 2 (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] [[2003]] — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2 ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2: Vol. 8 (Rhino Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] [[2004]] — ''Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 3: Series 2.2 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of France.png|20px|France]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Volume 14 ([[Déclic Images]]) — European French audio only. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] [[2006]] — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2006 — The Best of ''The Transformers'' (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] [[2007]] — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Episodes (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of Italy.png|20px|Italy]] [[2009]] — ''Transformers'' — Volume 06: Stagione Due Parte Quarta ([[Medianetwork Communication]]) — English and Italian audio. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season Two: Part Two (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Season Two, Volume Two: 25th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] [[2011]] — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Original Series (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] [[2014]] — ''The Transformers'' — Season Two, Volume Two: 30th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2014 — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Animated Series (Metrodome)

==External links==
*[https://drive.google.com/open?id=16AFu-sJetMcZeKUIsbc_I-bacSYVC57p First draft script, submitted on 16th September 1985]
*[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lunHa9XGhEPOezyCzCn1oXbg4YlHVJeh/view?usp=drive_link Episode model sheets]

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:The Transformers episodes]]
[[Category:Generation 2 episodes]]

Mirage (G1)/toys

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Omegatron:

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[[File:Mirage g1boxart.jpg|upright=2|thumb|"The shelf was... full."]]

'''Mirage''' will need more than a four-car garage to hold all his toys!

==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
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[[File:G1Mirage toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I don't need to be street-legal; I'm rich.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Mirage''' (Autobot Car, [[1984]]-[[1988]])}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number'': '''07'''
:*''Accessories'': "[[Liquid fuel dart|Rocket-dart]] [[hunting rifle]]", missile launcher, 3 [[missile]]s
{{toydesigner|[[Kōjin Ōno]] (TakaraTomy), , [[Shōji Kawamori]] ([[Studio Nue]])}}

: Originally released in the ''[[Diaclone]]: Car Robot'' line, ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|The Transformers]]'' Mirage was part of the original 1984 Autobot Cars assortment, transforming into a F-1 {{w|Ligier JS11}} racer. His vehicle mode was specifically designed to work with the launcher mechanism contained in the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#The Transformers|Optimus Prime]] / ''Diaclone'' Battle Convoy trailer. He includes a spring-loaded missile launcher for use in robot mode; the launcher's spring was severely weakened for the [[Hasbro]] releases [[for safety reasons]], while the later [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] release kept the mechanism fully-functional.

: This toy is ''incredibly'' easily broken at the waist pivot, being just a thin metal rod (or sometimes even plastic post) connecting his rather weighty upper and lower halves.

: In 1984, Mirage was the most common figure of his price point, since he was packaged two per [[case]] for the better part of the year. (There were originally only eleven different Autobot Cars figures in a case of twelve, with the extra Mirage used to fill up the case. Near the end of the year, the extra Mirage was replaced by [[Skids (G1)#The Transformers|Skids]].) Like all his 1984 brethren, Mirage received a heat-activated [[rubsign]] in 1985, added to his spoiler; this version was the one released in Japan and various European markets. He was discontinued at retail in 1986, but continued to be available as a [[Pack-in material#Mail-order flyers|mail-away item]] for years, costing $8 and two [[Robot Point]]s. The last of these offers, 1988's "[[The Autobots Are Under Attack!]]," marked the final release of the toy; the figure's mold was subsequently [[Mold#Issues with Reissues|either lost or damaged]], making him one of only two regular-retail 1984 toys to never be reissued in any capacity (the other being the enigmatic "[[Bumper (G1)#Toys|Bumper]]"). He has, however, been [[knockoff|knocked off]] to high heaven in a variety of colors.

: The labels on the toy are references to several real-world companies. The largest name, Citanes, is a deliberate corruption of Gitanes, a French cigarette company. (Quite unusual for a child's toy, but not the only [[Exhaust|cigarette reference in ''Diaclone'']].) The toy included Gitanes' logo of a dancing woman on what ends up as Mirage's belt in robot form. "Ligier" is the name of the company that manufactured the JS11 chassis and fielded the team, Équipe Ligier, traditionally wearing 25 and 26 on the F1 grid, while "elf" is a reference to a French oil company that has since merged with TotalFina to become TotalFinaElf.

: The Italian version of Mirage (called "Mistero") released by [[GiG]] covered the "Citanes" tampographs with [http://www.fredsworkshop.com/vmirage.html factory-applied "Ligier" decals], and later outright replaced the "Citanes" tampos with actual "Ligier" tampos.

::*''[http://www.transformerland.com/wiki/toy-info/transformers-g1-autobot-cars-mirage/137/ Patent info, price guide, and further reading on Mirage at Transformerland.com]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/Mirage/mirage.htm More information on Mirage at TFU.info]

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[[File:Goodbye convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1|The box set was... full.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Good Bye Convoy''' (Multi-pack, [[1986]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': "Rocket-dart hunting rifle", missile launcher, 3 missiles

: Commemorating the death of Optimus Prime in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', this set contains a special version of the original Optimus Prime figure with show-inspired translucent blue windows, packaged with unchanged versions of Mirage ("Ligier" in Japan) and [[Red Alert (G1)/toys#The Transformers|Red Alert]] ("Alert"). It seems this was done in an apparent homage to the similar ''Diaclone'' "Powered Convoy DX" giftset, which packaged the "Powered Convoy" version of the Optimus mold with the ''Diaclone'' versions of the other two Autobots.
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===''Generation 2''===
[[File:G2-toy Mirage.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|When is a Mirage [[:File:RID-toy_MirageGT.jpg|not]] [[Mirage (BM)|a]] [[Mirage (Armada)|Mirage]]? When is a [[Go-Bot (G2)|Go-Bot]] not a [http://tfu.info/Gobots/Renegades/Slicks/slicks.htm GoBot?] ]]
*'''Mirage''' ([[Go-Bot (G2)|Go-Bot]], [[1995]])
**''Accessories:'' Gun
{{toydesigner|[[Masakatsu Saito]] (concept artist)}}

: Part of the third wave of ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' [[Go-Bot (G2)|Go-Bots]], Mirage is a black and yellow [[redeco]] of wave 1's [[Double Clutch (G2)#Toys|Double Clutch]], transforming into a 1:64-scale Lola T94 Indy car. He features through-axle construction allowing for super-fast zipping along smooth surfaces, and his 1:64 scale makes him compatible with racing sets from the ''[[Hot Wheels]]'' and ''Matchbox'' toylines.

:This mold was also used to make [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] [[Mirage (RID)#Toys|Mirage]]. The toy was later [[repurposing|repurposed]] to be a [[Mirage (G2)|"next-generation" clone of Mirage]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/1995/Autobot/Mirage/mirage.htm More information on Go-Bots Mirage at TFU.info]
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[[File:UnmadeG2SMirageMockup.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Mirage''' (<s>[[1995]]</s>?)
**''Accessories:'' Presumably rifle, missile launcher, 3 missiles

:[[:File:G2MirageVaultArt.jpg|Concept art for a green and pink redeco]] of Mirage's original toy (with alligator decals!) meant for the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' toyline surfaced in the [[2011]] ''[[Transformers Vault]]'' collector's book by [[Pablo Hidalgo]]. In an unusual coincidence, ''Transformers'' fan and rarities-hunter [[Maziar Shahsafdari]] unveiled a pictorial review of the mock-up done for this redeco on his website TF-1.com shortly after the book came out, entirely unaware of its inclusion in the tome.

:Given that the previous G2 Jazz and Sideswipe toys were released with two fellow ''Diaclone''-based wavemates, this Mirage figure would probably have been released alongside [[Jazz (G1)/toys#G2DiacloneUnreleased|orange Jazz]] and [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#G2DiacloneUnreleased|yellow Sideswipe]]. Of the three, Mirage is the only one whose identity is somewhat clear as the physical art piece uncovered by Pablo Hidalgo had "Mirage" handwritten at the bottom in black marker, similar to the artwork which revealed names for [[Sandstorm (G2)|Sandstorm]] and [[Blackout (G2)|Blackout]].

:The color scheme went on to creep up in a few pieces of referential fiction, described [[Mirage (G1)#TransTech|here on the main Mirage page]].

::''[http://www.tf-1.com/articles/other/g2mirage_template.html TFSquareOne article about pink and green G2 Mirage]''
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===''Machine Wars''===
[[File:MW-toy Mirage.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Gah! I'm teal! Somebody recolor me, please!]]
*'''Mirage''' (Basic Class, [[1997]])
**''Accessories:'' 2-part rifle
{{toydesigner|[[Takio Ejima]] (TakaraTomy), [[Masakatsu Saito]] (concept artist)}}

:''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' Mirage was originally designed for release during the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' toyline, but the line's cancellation resulted in the figure being held back. Consequently, unlike most of the ''Machine Wars'' toys, his head looks very similar to his Generation 1 form. He transforms into a blue and white Penske PC-18 Indycar, and like the other ''Machine Wars'' Basic-class figures, the toy is a "flipchanger" with a one-step, spring-loaded transformation. His rifle splits into two pieces, which store inside his legs while he is in vehicle mode.

:This toy is [[gang-molding|gang-molded]] with the other three Basic molds in the line. Specifically, his shoulders and spine share plastic with [[Megaplex#Toys|Megaplex]]'s inner robot parts, his head shares plastic with [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Machine Wars|Skywarp]]'s jet parts, his seat shares plastic with [[Hoist (G1)/toys#Machine Wars|Hoist]]'s truck parts, plus he shares the pearlescent-gray optics plastic with, well, everyone.

:A redeco of the rifle (both pieces) was included in the ''[[Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]]'' [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#TargetCyberverseVs|Bumblebee]] vs [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#TargetCyberverseVs|Megatron]] two-pack.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1997/Autobot/Mirage/mirage.htm More information on ''Machine Wars'' Mirage at TFU.info]
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===''Robotmasters''===
[[File:RM-toy Mirage.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Phew. Thanks.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Rijie''' ([[2004]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''RM-03'''
:*''Release date'': [[July 15]], 2004
:*''Accessories'': 2-part "Molecular Bonding Gun", "JS Laser Gun"

: Part of the first wave of Takara's ''[[Robotmasters (franchise)|Robotmasters]]'' toys, "Rijie" uses the ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' Basic Class [[#Machine Wars|Mirage mold]], but in a much more [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]-based coloration and deco. He also came with an extra chrome-silver "JS Laser Gun" (like the other bonus weapons of ''Robotmasters'', it is suspected to be a mold originally developed yet ultimately unused by the cut-short ''[[Microman]] LED Powers'' line; "JS" is a reference to the naming scheme Ligier uses for its race cars, standing for Jo Schlesser, a Formula One driver who was a friend of Guy Ligier and was killed at the 1968 French Grand Prix).

: Because of legal reasons, "Ligier" could not be used for the name of the ''Robotmasters'' toy, so "Rijie", which has the same pronunciation in Japan, was used instead. Curiously, the toy's instructions still identify it as "Ligier".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/Ligier/ligier.htm More information on ''Robotmasters'' Rijie at TFU.info]
{{MWMirageMold}}
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===''Alternators''===
[[File:AlternatorsMirage toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|This toy is clearly black, red, and silver. You're just deluding yourself.]]
*'''Mirage''' (Alternator, [[2006]])
**''ID number:'' '''22'''
**''Accessories:'' Engine/tonfa weapons
{{toydesigner|[[Steve Bono]] (Hasbro)|[[Marcelo Matere]] (packaging artist)}}

:''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' Mirage transforms into a finely detailed 1:24 scale replica of a Ford GT, featuring opening doors, engine bay, and trunk, with a realistic interior. As with most Alternators, his car body is mostly unpainted, but the metallic-flake deep blue plastic makes this hard to see.

:Featuring an innovative, different [[robot mode]], Mirage is not a straight re-interpretation of the original Mirage's robot mode, due to the completely different types of vehicles. But coincidentally the Ford GT's hood features a shape that echoes an F1-type racing car's nose and front spoiler. His removable engine supercharger splits in two, becoming either a pair of small pistols or a pair of tonfa weapons.

:Mirage was retooled into [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Kiss Players|Hot Rodimus]] for the ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (toyline)|Kiss Players]]'' line, which was further redecoed into ''Alternators'' Rodimus. Later in 2007, he was redecoed in clear plastic colors to represent his 'invisibility mode' as an [[e-HOBBY]] exclusive in the ''[[Transformers: Alternators#Binaltech|Binaltech]]'' line.

:There is [[Gold Plastic Syndrome|an extensive amount of swirly plastic throughout the figure's entire car mode]], however, no cases of traditional gold plastic syndrome-like crumbling have been reported so far. Some have documented frequent "hairline cracks" showing up in this figure, however, these are usually concentrated on one specific portion of the car mode (they often show up as lines between the windshield and the front wheelwell) <ref>https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/alternators-binaltech-fandom-unite-lets-see-some-pics.235171/page-165#post-20719899</ref>, so it is possible that this could be chalked up to some stress applied on those specific portions of the plastic rather than the plastic itself.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/AltMirage/mirage.htm More information on Alternators Mirage at TFU.info]
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===''Universe'' (2003)===
[[File:RID-toy Mirage-KBclear2.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I fail to see the point of this.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Mirage''' ([[Spychanger|Spy Changer]], [[2006]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Rifle

: Released in the [[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|2003 ''Universe'' toyline]], "Spy Changer" Mirage is a re-release of the [[KB Toys]] [[exclusive]] redeco of [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] [[Mirage (RID)#KBclear2|Mirage]], transforming into a translucent green Lola Indy car.

: He was available only on an individual card from discount chains like The Dollar Store.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/Mirage/mirage.htm More information on ''Universe'' Mirage at TFU.info]
{{G2DoubleClutchMold}}
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===''Classics''===
[[File:Classics Mirage toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Applied to [[Revoltech]] club; rejected for lacking thigh joints.]]
*'''Mirage''' (Deluxe Class, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Gun/front spoiler
{{toydesigner|[[Eric Siebenaler]] (Hasbro), [[Alex Kubalsky]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Joe Kyde]] (deco artist)}}
:''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' Mirage was released in November 2006 in wave 2, along with the [[shortpacking|shortpacked]] [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Classics|Grimlock]]. He transforms into a closed-canopy Formula racer concept car. Mirage's paint details contain a few ''Transformers'' in-jokes in the form of sponsor logos such as "[[Sparkplug Witwicky|Witwicky Sparkplugs]]" and "[[Lithone (planet)|Lithonian]] Drivetrain". Additionally, his racing number is still 26, as it was on the original toy. Other logos, which include "Plasma Injection Energy" and "F.P. Racing", refer to "pie" and the initials of [[Joe Kyde|the deco artist]]'s super-secret non-gay friendship cult, respectively.

:The front detaches to become a handheld electro-disruptor weapon which is said to be able to create illusions and allow him to appear invisible. According to some of his production art, the weapon was partially styled after a crossbow. He is ''extremely'' poseable for his time, featuring double-jointed elbows and knees, ball-jointed spoiler "toes", and waist articulation, among others.

:His stock photography (pictured at right) depicts almost all of his unpainted grey plastic as blue.

:This mold was also used to make 2007 [[Transformers (2007 toyline)|''Transformers'']] [[Fracture (Movie)#Toys|Fracture]] and ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Drag Strip (G1)#Universe (2008)|Drag Strip]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/ClassicsMirage/mirage.htm More information on Classics Mirage at TFU.info]
{{ClassicsMirageMold}}
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===''Timelines''===
[[File:BotCon2007freeMirage.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I leave your toilets fresh and blue every time you flush!]]
*'''Hologram Mirage''' (BotCon attendee freebie, [[2007]])
**''Accessories:'' Gun/front spoiler
:A redeco of ''Classics'' Mirage in translucent and opaque blue, Mirage was available only as a "freebie" gift to attendees at [[BotCon 2007]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/BCMirage/mirage.htm More information on ''Timelines'' Mirage at TFU.info]
{{ClassicsMirageMold}}

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[[File:Timelinestoy MWMirage.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Mirage / Thundercracker''' (Souvenir pack, [[BotCon 2013]])
**''Accessories:'' Gun/front spoiler
:This redeco of ''Classics'' Mirage renders him in his ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' color scheme. He was only available in a two-pack with [[Thundercracker (MW)#Toys|''Machine Wars'' Thundercracker]] at [[BotCon 2013]].

:This toy almost became [[Prowl (MW)|''Machine Wars'' Prowl]] before Mirage was ultimately decided on.<ref>[http://www.toycollectors.com.au/bc14/bc14br.html BotCon 2014 attendee report]</ref> This souvenir set was a particularly poor seller, ending up on deep clearance online after the convention. 

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/BCMirage/mirage.htm More information on ''Machine Wars'' Mirage on TFU.info]''
{{ClassicsMirageMold}}
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===''Binaltech''===
{{anchor|Binaltech}}
[[File:Binaltechtoy rijie.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Rijie feat. Ford GT Electro-Disrupter Mode''' {{sic}} (e-HOBBY exclusive, 2007)
**''ID number:'' '''BT-18'''
**''Accessories:'' Engine/tonfa weapons
:Rijie is a redeco of ''Alternators'' Mirage using mostly transparent plastic. The toy was exclusively available from [[e-HOBBY]] in September 2007.

:Even though Takara had briefly contemplated releasing a [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Kiss Players|Hot Rodimus]] (Hot Rod) retool of Alternators Mirage as the next ''Binaltech'' toy after [[Ginrai (human)|Ginrai]] (both toys would ultimately come out as part of the ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (toyline)|Kiss Players]]'' line instead), they apparently never created any [[die-cast]] molds for the Ford GT sculpt. To justify the absence of diecast parts from a ''Binaltech'' toy, Takara decided to use clear plastic parts to represent an "invisible" mode, officially called an "Electro-Disrupter Mode" {{sic}} on the packaging.

::*[[Source:Transformers Binaltech bios#18|Archive of ''Binaltech'' Rijie's bio and tech specs]]
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Cybertron/Rijie/rijie.htm More information on ''Binaltech'' Rijie at TFU.info]
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===''Henkei! Henkei!''===
[[File:Henkei Mirage toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Sculpted in 2006. Decoed in the late 70s.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Ligier''' (Deluxe, [[2008]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''C-04'''
:*''Release date'': [[March 13]], 2008
:*''Accessories'': Gun/front spoiler

:''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]] Transformers'' Ligier is a redeco of ''Classics'' Deluxe Class Mirage. In an effort to make him appear more accurate to Mirage's cartoon appearances, Ligier lacks most of the sponsorship tampographs that appeared on ''Classics'' Mirage. As with all ''Henkei'' toys, he lacks the heat-sensitive rubsign seen on the ''Classics'' version, but features [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum-metallized]] parts: his rear spoiler and his front spoiler.
{{ClassicsMirageMold}}

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[[File:HenkeiElectroDisruptorLigier.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Clear, black, '''and''' chrome? It's like he's a living embodiment of Takara itself!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Electro Disruptor Ligier''' (Deluxe, [[2009]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Gun/front spoiler

: "Electro Disruptor Ligier" is a translucent plastic version of ''Henkei'' Ligier, based on his noticeably transparent invisibilities in [[The Ultimate Doom, Part 3]], offered as a mail-away exclusive to those who bought the book ''[[Transformers Generations 2009 Volume 1]]''.

: This toy was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Mirage (SG)|Mirage]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Cybertron/EDLigier/ligier.htm More information on Electro Disruptor Ligier at TFU.info]
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===''Kre-O''===
[[File:KreO toy Mirage.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Humongous Interactive'' Presents "Mirage goes to the Races".]]
*'''Mirage''' (2011)
**''Set number'': '''31145'''
**''Pieces'': '''119'''
**''Kreons'': Mirage, Race Driver
**''Accessories'': Small pistol
:The Mirage kit can be rebuilt from a robot to a formula racing car, and has a head sculpt clearly based on ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' [[#Classics|Mirage]]'s head. It includes a Mirage and Race Driver Kreon to ride the car.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2011/Autobot/Kre-OMirage/mirage.htm More information on ''Kre-O'' Mirage at TFU.info]''
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*'''Kreon Figure Pack''' (2013)
**''Set number'': '''A4642'''
**''Kreons'': Bumblebee, Jazz, Mirage, Red Alert, Skywarp
**''Accessories'': Small pistol
:A boxed set of five Kreons, with [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Bumblebee]], [[Red Alert (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Red Alert]], Mirage, [[Jazz (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Jazz]] and a fifth "mystery" Kreon (actually [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Skywarp]]). These toys are all identical to their prior releases.

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[[File:KreO-Toy MirageC84.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Kreon Class of 1984''' (Kreon figure set, 2014)
**''Set number'': '''B0090'''
**''Voted'': Best Dressed
**''Accessories'': Blaster
:This version of Mirage, part of the [[Kreon Class of 1984]], has much more detailed toy-based [[tampograph]]s than his prior version, including a half-blue face.

:He was only available in a [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2014 [[exclusive]] pack of 30 Kreons dubbed the "Kreon Class of 1984". Remaining stock was to be sold at [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] online, only there ''was'' no remaining stock after the show.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/SDCCKre-OMirage/mirage.htm More information on ''Class of 1984'' Mirage at TFU.info]''
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===''Bot Shots''===
[[File:Bot Shots Mirage.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|What do you mean "not accurate"?I've always turned into this!]]
*'''Mirage''' (Bot Shot, 2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''B005'''
***''Fist strength'': '''210'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''840'''
***''Sword strength'': '''580'''
:Part of the second wave of ''[[Bot Shots (toyline)|Bot Shots]]'' single-packs, Mirage is a teeny little sports car with a spring-loaded automatic transformation to robot mode triggered when his front bumper is pressed. He has a "spinner" in his chest that shows his three attack types and power levels. His head is based on the [[#Classics|''Classics'' version]] of Generation 1 Mirage but with a vehicle mode and chest reminiscent of his [[Dino|''Dark of the Moon'' counterpart]].

:Mirage's main car body, arms, and legs are also used by [[Barricade (Movie)/toys|Barricade]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]], [[Lockdown (ROTF)|Lockdown]], [[Prowl (G1)/toys|Prowl]], and [[Topspin (DOTM)|Topspin]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/BSMirage/mirage.htm More information on Mirage at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BotShots PolarAssault Mirage.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|It makes your whites whiter and your brights brighter!]]
*'''Polar Assault Team''' (Multi-pack, 2013)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Number'': '''T003'''
***''Fist strength'': '''670'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''190'''
***''Sword strength'': '''760'''
:A [[redeco]] of the original Mirage mold in a darker blue with white windows. This version of Mirage was available in a five pack with new redecos of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#BotShotPolarAssaultTeam|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#BotShotPolarAssaultTeam|Bumblebee]], [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#BotShotPolarAssaultTeam|Ironhide]], and [[Jetfire (G1)#BotShotPolarAssaultTeam|Jetfire]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/BSPAMirage/mirage.htm More information on Polar Assault Mirage at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BStoy-3packMirage.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Mirage forgot to turn off his hologram's cheese wheel filter.]]
*'''Red Alert / Ultra Magnus / Mirage''' (Multi-pack, 2013)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Number'': '''Super Bot 009'''
***''Fist strength'': '''181'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''845'''
***''Sword strength'': '''594'''
:Part of the third wave of ''Bot Shots'' Series 2 three-packs, Super Bot Mirage is a redeco of the original Mirage mold in translucent teal with yellow wheels. He comes in a three-pack with [[Red Alert (G1)/toys|Jump Shot Red Alert]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Jump Shot Ultra Magnus]].
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===''BeCool''===
[[File:BeCool RedSportsCar.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Better red than dead.]]
*'''Red Sports Car (Mirage)''' (2012)
**''ID number'': '''B08'''
:''[[Bot Shots (toyline)#BeCool|BeCool]]'' "Red Sports Car" is a red redeco of the ''Bot Shots'' Mirage toy (presumably in homage to [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (franchise)|''Dark of the Moon'']] [[Dino|Dino/Mirage]]) with the power level stickers replaced by little drawings related to sports cars: a speedometer, a car with its hood open and... a {{w|Onigiri|rice ball}}. Don't ask us. It might be a joke about its similarity to the speedometer.
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===''Generations''===
[[File:Generationstoy specialist mirage.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Specialist: Autobots''' (Multi-pack, [[March 25]], 2014)
**''Accessories:'' Gun/front spoiler
:''Classics'' Mirage was re-released in a three-pack with ''Universe'' [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#Generations|Ironhide]] and [[Hound (G1)/toys#Generations|Hound]], available from Hasbro Asia and [[TakaraTomy Mall]]. All three Autobots feature new metallic paint decos, and the set's [[package art]] links up to the contemporaneously-released "Specialist: Decepticons" set to form a complete image. At selected stores in Asia, the set was available with a free Autobot insignia dangler.
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===''Combiner Wars''===
[[File:CWDlxMirage.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Are you sure I'm holding this right?]]
*'''Mirage''' (Deluxe Class, 2015)
**''Accessories:'' Sword, double-barreled "rocket dart launcher"/fist/foot
:Part of the fourth wave of ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Deluxe Class toys, Mirage is a [[retool]] of ''Combiner Wars'' [[Drag Strip (G1)#Combiner Wars|Decepticon Dragstrip]], sporting a brand new head sculpt. The hand-foot-gun can be stored on top of his [[alternate mode|alt mode]] via [[5 mm post]]s. Being a ''Combiner Wars'' figure, Mirage can transform into a limb for any ''Combiner Wars''-style Voyager Class toy or into one of [[Godbomber#Legends|''Legends'' Godbomber]]'s legs, although he would usually be associated with [[Optimus Maximus (G1)#Generations|Optimus Maximus]] or [[Betatron (CW)#Toys|Betatron]].

:Mirage comes packaged with the comic book "[[The Sum and Its Parts]]". In Canada, Latin America, and Europe, he was available in different types of [[multilingual packaging]] including a character card featuring his comic book cover/[[package art]] instead. He and the last three waves of ''Combiner Wars'' Deluxe and Voyager figures later showed up at TJ Maxx in the U.S. at reduced prices with the collector card.

:As a part of the third and fourth wave promotion in Hasbro's Asian markets, a free sticker sheet for the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobot]]s and [[Optimus Maximus (G1)|Optimus Maximus]] was given out when purchasing any four Deluxe Class toys from those waves. As such, Mirage was given Generation 1 toy-esque stickers for the owner to apply if they wanted.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2015/08/28/transformers-combiner-wars-sticker-sheet-for-wave-3-and-4-figures-300471 Protectobot and Optimus Maximus sticker promotion on TFW2005]</ref>

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Autobot/CWMirage/mirage.htm More information on Combiner Wars Mirage at TFU.info]''
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===''Unite Warriors''===
[[File:TF-UW05-Mirage.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|If you squint, it ''kinda'' looks like my rocket launcher.]]
*'''Convoy Grand Prime''' (giftset, [[February 27]], [[2016]])
**''ID number:'' '''UW-05'''
**''Accessories'': Weapons, 4 Gun/Fist/Foots
:Released as part of the TakaraTomy Mall exclusive [[Optimus Maximus (G1)#Unite Warriors|Convoy Grand Prime]] set, Takara's iteration of ''Combiner Wars'' Optimus Maximus is sold in a gift set including all five Autobots (minus the Rodimus mold).

:Compared to the ''Combiner Wars'' release, "Ligier" has numerous changes in deco to better match his look in the Generation 1 cartoon: his light blue plastic is now a darker shade, additional paint operations on the chest and his pair of fists, some omitted details on the legs, the "cheeks" on the head, and the Autobot insignia on his robot chest. The red paint details on the arms are swapped with white, and the patterns on the arms/side fairings are now replaced with a white border that surrounds the marking. His unpaintable combiner joint is now white.
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===''War for Cybertron: Siege''===
[[File:WFC-Siege-WFCS43-Deluxe-Mirage.jpg|thumb|300px|"The voting polls were... full."]]
*'''Autobot Mirage''' (Deluxe Class, [[2019]])
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''WFC-S43'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SG-38'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': [[December 26]], 2019
**''Hidden message code'': '''TURBOFOX'''
**''Accessories'': "C-20 Electro-Disruptor Cannon," "Distortion Missile," "W-15 Armor-Piercing Rocket-Dart Launcher"
{{toydesigner|[[Michael DiTullo]] (vehicle mode concept), [[Robby Musso]] (robot mode concept) <ref>{{citesocial|quote=With the new Countach announced today I thought it would be fun to show some concepts for Transformers character alt modes I worked on a few years back. Sideswipe and Sunstreaker.|link=https://web.archive.org/web/20210812202951/https://twitter.com/Michael_DiTullo/status/1425915361266868224|name=Michael DiTullo|site=Twitter|year=2021|month=08|day=12|(defunct=)}}</ref>|[[AJ Piejko-Brown]] (packaging)}}

:In accordance with his victory in the 2018 ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' [[Fan polls#2018|Hasbro fan poll]], Mirage got a new figure in ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'', released concurrently with [[Impactor (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Impactor]]. The figure is styled after Mirage's cartoon model, and transfoms into an F1 racer (a distinctly different model from his original toy) with Cybertronian elements—including a visual "26" written in [[Alphabet|Cybertronian numbers]] (however, the rest of the writing is in an unknown font, that likely spells "Citanes" or something to a similar effect). Mirage features extensive [[Kibble#"Faux-parts"|faux parts]]; the vehicle nose making up his chest actually stores in the back of his vehicle mode, while the actual nose of the vehicle folds into the back of his shins. He comes with 3 weapons compatible with the [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System]], and features multiple 5 mm hardpoints to work with it. Unlike most ''Siege'' figures, Mirage is practically spotless, as no visible sign of battle damage paint applications can be seen anywhere on his body.

:While the stock render shows his arms with black shoulders, grey biceps and white forearms, the final toy has grey forearms. The render also depicts him with opaque blue plastic, with a clear cockpit, while the final toy has the entire hood molded in unpainted translucent blue plastic. The hood pieces use small tabs to connect to the rear end of the alt mode, but many copies of the figure have the tabs sized slightly too large, necessitating a bit of effort to tab them into place. As these tabs are made of more brittle translucent plastic, care should be taken when dealing with them, although the tabs breaking off does not drastically hinder the stability of the car mode should it happen.
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[[File:TF-Generations-WFC-S-Fan-Vote-Battle-3-Pack-Mirage.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I'm no longer a freebie, but you still want me.]]
*'''Fan Vote Battle 3-Pack''' (Multi-pack)
**''ID number'': '''WFC-S55'''
**''Accessories'': "C-20 Electro-Disruptor Cannon," "W-15 Armor-Piercing Rocket-Dart Launcher," missile
{{toydesigner|[[AJ Piejko-Brown]] (packaging)}}

:Released as part of a three-pack with [[Aragon#War for Cybertron: Siege|Powerdasher Aragon]] and [[Impactor (G1)#S56|Decepticon Impactor]], "Holo Mirage" is a translucent redeco and retool of the figure above, featuring a new toy-accurate head and clear blue plastics that evokes [[#Timelines|his BotCon 2007 freebie toy]]. A few of the figure's parts are still molded in opaque plastic, such as the biceps inner armatures. The figure has a number of unique clear blue paint applications including the number "26", a reference to [["Visages"]], and, of all things, the insignia of the [[Zarak Consortium]].

:Due to now being made almost entirely out of translucent plastic, Holo Mirage is susceptible to stress fractures at all points of articulation and tab-based transformation areas. Caution is suggested when handling the figure.

:Oddly, his missile is not called out in the instructions.

:The head of this version of Mirage was used with Mirage's ''Kingdom'' body to make ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Velocitron Speedia 500 Collection]]'' [[Crasher (G1)#Legacy|Decepticon Crasher]].

:This set was an [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]] exclusive in the United States and Europe, but was available at general retail in Hasbro's Asian markets such as Hong Kong.
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===''War for Cybertron Trilogy''===
[[File:TF-Generations-Netflix-WFC-Decepticon-Mirage.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Cliffjumper was right all along.]]
*'''Decepticon Mirage''' (Deluxe Class, 2020)
**''TakaraTomy name'': '''Mirage'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''WFC-01'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': [[September 26]], [[2020]]
**''Accessories:'' "C-20 Electro-Disruptor Cannon," "W-15 Armor-Piercing Rocket-Dart Launcher," missile

:Promoting the ''Siege'' season of the [[Netflix]]-original [[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' cartoon]], this redeco of ''Siege'' Mirage outfits the Autobot in a deco that matches his holographic Decepticon disguise as shown in the cartoon, along with an ''extensive'' paint wash coating to represent accumulated grime and battle scars. Mirage also sports base color differences, such as purple instead of blue and yellow eyes. Unlike his original ''Siege'' release, Decepticon Mirage does not use translucent plastic in any of his parts, greatly increasing his durability. This contained a portion of a cardstock background of [[Teletraan I]]. Mirage's part has slots G, I, J, and N.

:As the ''Siege'' cartoon depicts numerous [[generic]] Decepticons with Mirage's [[body-type]] in this color scheme, Decepticon Mirage can be used as an easy [[Army-building|army-builder]] for the Decepticon ranks if one chooses. Although rather coincidental, Mirage's color scheme and design also bear a striking resemblance to [[Barricade (IDW)|Barricade]]'s in the original IDW comic series.

:This release was exclusive to Walmart in the U.S. and Canada, and in Japan as a [[TakaraTomy]] Mall exclusive.
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===''War for Cybertron: Kingdom''===
[[File:WFC-Kingdom Deluxe Mirage.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Forgive me on not being this opaque before... didn't feel like spending enough to get it at that point in time.]]
*'''Autobot Mirage & Maximal Grimlock''' (2-pack, [[2021]])
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''WFC-K40'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''KD EX-13'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': [[January 29]], [[2022]]
**''Accessories:'' Cannon, shoulder-mounted launcher, missile
{{toydesigner|[[Ken Christiansen]] (concept artist), [[AJ Piejko-Brown]] (packaging)}}

:''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Kingdom]]'' Autobot Mirage is a significant retool of his ''Siege'' toy, with newly-molded robot and alternate mode parts as well as a tweaked upper-body transformation to better facilitate an earthen Formula One racecar vehicle mode, though still a different model from his animation design. Mirage's head, feet, waist, hands, wheels, accessories, and various structural parts are carried over from the ''Siege'' mold. His torso transformation joint can work as an ab-crunch. The new deco is missing most of the racing sponsor decals, but the "elf" decal from G1 has been replaced by "orc".

:Unfortunately, this version of Mirage has lost the C.O.M.B.A.T. System ports on his shoulders and has therefore lost the ability to mount his missile launcher on either shoulder in a "natural" firing position. Many have taken to utilizing the shallow 5 mm ports on the backs of his shoulder armor to mount the missile launcher pointed upwards. He also now has a new set of 3 mm posts on the forearms, just behind his fists. The 5 mm port on his back is also too large to accommodate 5 mm pegs, causing items placed in it to fall out easily. This issue would be corrected when the mold was reused for Leadfoot (see below).

:Revealed on [https://www.instagram.com/p/COvYKODJgGf/ #TransformersTuesday], Mirage was released with [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Maximal Grimlock]] as a part of the "Battle Across Time Collection". Though similar to the ''Siege'' "Final Strike Figure Series", being exclusive multi-packs with package art that combines into a larger piece, the "Battle Across Time Collection" label is printed on the box. The two-pack is exclusive to [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]] and [[Hasbro Pulse]] in the US, and in the UK on Hasbro Pulse and several online retailers. Initially set for a [[January 29]], [[2022]] release by TakaraTomy, the 2-pack was delayed to March 2022.

:This figure was retooled into ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' ''[[Transformers: Legacy#Store exclusives|Wreck N' Rule Collection]]'' [[Leadfoot (G2)#Legacy|Leadfoot]], and then redecoed into ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Velocitron Speedia 500 Collection]]'' [[Crasher (G1)#Legacy|Decepticon Crasher]] using the head of the ''Siege'' Holo Mirage.
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===''Legacy''===
[[File:TF-Legacy-G2-Mirage.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''I had no friends'' ''No girls would hug me'' ''’Til I got radioactive ugly!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a2|'''G2 Universe Mirage''' (Deluxe Class, [[2023]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Cannon, shoulder-mounted launcher, missile
{{toydesigner|[[Ken Christiansen]] (concept artist)}}

: ''[[Transformers: Legacy#Evolution|Legacy: Evolution]]'' ''Toxitron Collection'' "G2 Universe Mirage" is a redeco of ''Kingdom'' Mirage, based on the conceptual ''Generation 2'' pink/green deco, albeit with a silver face not present on the original art.

: The ''Toxitron Collection'' was exclusive to [[Walmart]] in the United States.
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===''Authentics''===
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*'''Autobot Mirage''' (Alpha, 2024)

:Part of the seventh wave of ''[[Transformers Authentics|Authentics]]''' Alpha Class line up, "Autobot Mirage" is a Voyager Class-sized figure based on his [[evergreen]] design, transforming into a race car in 7 steps.
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==Merchandise==
===Decoy===
[[File:Mirage decoy.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Defeat Trypticon Strategy Game''' (board game, 1986)
*'''Cybertron Hero Collection 22''' (Decoy multi-pack, 1986)
:Mirage was among the many characters rendered by [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] as part of their series of 1.5" soft rubber ''keshigomu'' figurines. Like all the figures in the series, Mirage featured a number sculpted into his back that was the sum total of his [[Tech Spec]]s, for use in the various games that could be played with the figurines. He was one of the six red-rubber Autobot playing pieces included in the [[Defeat Trypticon Strategy Game]], and was also available as part of a 22-piece box set of Autobot figures. He could be purchased in peach as part of various other randomly-packed box sets released by Takara subsidiary [[Seven]], and in a wide variety of different colors in "gachapon" capsule machines.

*'''Mirage''' (Decoy, 1987)
**''Decoy number'': 20

: The Mirage figurine was later brought over to [[Hasbro]] markets as part of the [[Decoy]] promotion, largely identical to the Japanese release except the number on his back was replaced with a simple "checklist" number. Like all Autobot Decoys, he was a randomly-chosen pack-in available with the carded [[Throttlebot]]s, [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], and [[Technobot (G1)|Technobot]]s.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Decoys/Mirage/mirage.htm More information on Decoy Mirage at TFU.info]''
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===''Choro-Q''===
[[File:ChoroQ mirage.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Ligier''' ([[2000]])
:''[[Choro-Q]]'' Ligier is a mostly translucent [[redeco]] of the Honda Jordan F1 toy from Takara's ''Choro-Q'' toyline of non-transforming [[Super deformed|super-deformed]] vehicles. He was an [[exclusive]] at [[BotCon]] Japan 2000, and features a [[pull-back motor]] and a rear license plate that reads "[[BotCon Japan 2000]]".

:Along with ''Choro-Q'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/merchandise#Choro-Q|Convoy]] and [[Megatron (G1)/merchandise#Choro-Q|Megatron]], Ligier was given out randomly to convention attendees. Each toy was limited to 1000 pieces.
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===''Attacktix''===
[[File:Mirage-atx.jpg|thumb|upright=0.9]]
*'''Mirage''' (Booster, <s>2007</s>)
:Mirage was likely to have been one of several ''Transformers [[Attacktix]]'' Booster pieces. He was to be a 20-point Specialist-class piece. Though displayed as part of the ''Attacktix'' display at the [[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]] "Celebration IV" convention, Mirage was ultimately never released as the ''Attacktix'' line was put on ice.

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===''Robot Heroes''===
[[File:RH Mirage vs Starscream.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I'm too rich to be cute.]]
*'''Mirage & Starscream''' (Two-pack, 2007)
{{toydesigner|[[Bill Rawley]] (Hasbro)|[[Marcelo Matere]] (concept artist)}}

:Part of the first wave of ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' two-packs (sold under the [[Transformers (2007 toyline)|live-action movie toyline]] branding), Mirage is a two-inch-tall robot sculpted in super deformed style, with swivel articulation at the head and shoulders.

:He was only available in a two-pack with [[Starscream (G1)/merchandise#Robot Heroes|Starscream]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/RHMirage/mirage.htm More information on ''Robot Heroes'' Mirage at TFU.info]''

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*'''Mirage''' (Single-pack, 2008)

:In some countries outside of North America, Mirage was released individually in a blindpack with no notable changes.

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[[File:Hologram Robot Hero Mirage.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|What he said.]]
*'''Decepticon Sneak Attack''' (Multi-pack, 2007)
:"Hologram Mirage" is a recolor of the two-pack Mirage, cast in transparent blue with slightly different paint details. Most notably, the Autobot symbols on his arms have been replaced with part of the word "Citanes", to evoke the original toy.

:He was only available in a [[Walmart]] exclusive multi-pack, along with [[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys#Robot Heroes|Cliffjumper]], [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Robot Heroes|Skywarp]], and "Supermetal Finish" versions of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/merchandise#RH5pack|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)/merchandise#RH5pack|Megatron]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/RHWMMirage/mirage.htm More information on ''Robot Heroes'' Hologram Mirage at TFU.info]''

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*'''Hologram Mirage''' (Single-pack, 2008)
:Hologram Mirage also saw release in a blindpack outside of North America.
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===''The Loyal Subjects''===
[[File:Tlsmirage.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Doesn't have to turn invisible to hide.]]
*'''Mirage''' (2014)
:[[The Loyal Subjects]] Mirage is a Wave 2 figure with standard articulation. He is based on the original toy and features a few references that replace his normal racing sponsor details. Mirage's right foot reads "The Loyal" and his left reads "Subjects". On both sides of his chest, "Pawtucket" can be seen, a reference to Hasbro's headquarters. Under the 26 on his chest, the name "les" is shown, a reference to the designer of The Loyal Subjects figures. For every 16 figures, there is 1 Mirage.

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*'''Mirage "Red" Ed.''' (2014)
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*'''Transparent Black Mirage''' (2014)
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*'''Autobots 3-Pack''' (2014)
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===''Transformers Figure Collection''===
[[File:TF-Transformers-Figure-Collection-Mirage-Decoy.jpg|thumb|upright=0.9|Not G1 [[Dino]].]]
*'''Ligier''' (01-2016)
:Standing 42mm tall, ''Transformers Figure Collection'' Ligier is a non-poseable soft-rubber figure greatly based on a [[Decoy]] figure.
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===''Transformers Trading Card Game''===
[[File:W1AutobotMirage.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Autobot Mirage, Lone Wolf''' (2018)
**'''Wave 1'''
**''Rarity: '''''UT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T05/T40'''
**''Stars: ''9
:'''Autobot Mirage, Lone Wolf''' is one of forty double-sided character cards available in Wave 1 of the [[Transformers Trading Card Game]].

:The artwork on the card is reused from the ''[[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Transformers Legends]]'' mobile card game, and is based on the ''[[Classics|Transformers: Classics]]'' Mirage toy.

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[[File:W2Mirage.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Autobot Mirage, Counterintelligence''' (2019)
**'''Wave 2: Rise of the Combiners'''
**''Rarity: '''''UT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T05/T46'''
**''Stars: ''7
:Autobot Mirage, Counterintelligence was released as part of the [[Transformers Trading Card Game]] Wave 2: Rise of the Combiners. Like all other members of [[combiner]] teams released in the set, Autobot Mirage, Counterintelligence is a folding card, with the Bot and Alt modes being depicted when the card is folded in half, and a holofoil portion of the the combined mode depicted when unfolded. The reverse of Autobot Mirage, Counterintelligence depicts the middle left portion of [[Optimus Maximus (G1)|Optimus Maximus']], of whom Mirage forms the left arm.

:The artwork for Alt Mode is reused from the ''[[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Transformers Legends]]'' mobile game, and is based on the ''[[Classics|Transformers: Classics]]'' Mirage toy, while the Bot Mode artwork uses the [[Combiner Wars (franchise)|Combiner Wars]] Mirage figure's packaging art.

:Autobot Mirage, Counterintelligence can be used to form Optimus Maximus, Ultimate Defender with the use of the Action card [[Enigma of Combination|Sentinel Enigma]] while he and the other Wave 2 Sentinels are in Bot mode on the battlefield and/or KO area.
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[[File:W4SergeantMirage.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Sergeant Mirage, Special Ops-Spy''' (2019)
**'''Wave 4: War for Cybertron: Siege II'''
**''Rarity: '''''CT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T44/T52'''
**''Stars: ''7
:Sergeant Mirage, Special Ops-Spy is one of 52 character cards released in Wave 4 of the [[Transformers Trading Card Game]], War for Cybertron: Siege II.

:The card's artwork is based on the ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' Mirage toy, with the Bot Mode art being reused from the toy's packaging art, and with original Alt Mode artwork (lines by [[Ken Christiansen]]).
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===''ReAction''===
*'''Mirage''' (2020)
**''Accessories'': Ion blaster

: Released in the second wave of [[Super7]]'s line of multi-property 3.75-inch "retro" action figures, ''[[Super7#ReAction|ReAction]]'' Mirage is a non-converting 3 3/4-inch action figure based on his appearance in the original cartoon, with 5 points of articulation (swivel neck, shoulders, hips) and holes in his feet for use with some variety of stand. Unlike the first-wave figures, both of his hands are open and can grip his included "ion blaster" accessory; his shoulder-mounted missile launcher is permanently attached so no dual-wielding with that.

: As with all releases in the ''ReAction'' toyline, Mirage comes packaged on a small cardback that emulates the nostalgic packaging style of [[Kenner]]'s ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' action figures from the late 1970s to early '80s.
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===Jada Toys===
[[File:JadaNanoMetalfigsSeries2G1BW-18pack.jpg|upright=1.44|thumb]]
*'''Transformers Series 2 18-pack''' (4 cm Die Cast Figure Multipack, 2022)
:Released by [[Jada Toys]], ''Nano Metalfigs'' Mirage is an incredibly small die-cast figurine molded holding his blaster. He has a little base attached to his feet for balancing reasons.

:He comes in an impressive multipack with [[Jada Toys#Nano Metalfigs|seventeen other figurines]].
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===''Transformers Character Card''===
[[File:Transformers Character Card Reflector and Mirage.jpg|upright=1.3|thumb]]
*'''Rijie & Refraktor Set''' ([[December]], [[2023]])
**''ID number:'' '''75 & 76'''

:Released as part of the tenth wave of the [[e-HOBBY]] exclusive ''[[Transformers Character Card]]'' series, this pair of holographic trading cards depict super-deformed art of "Rijie" and "[[Reflector (G1)|Refraktor]]" (in his traditional form of [[Spectro]], [[Spyglass]] and [[Viewfinder]]) along with [[bio|character profiles]] and [[Tech Spec|tech specs]].
::*''[[Source:Transformers Character Card#75|Translation of Mirage's Transformers Character Card]]''

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Fire Blast effect

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[[File:WFC_Kingdom_Tricranius_blast_effects.jpg|right|upright=2|thumb|''Kingdom'' [[Tricranius]], god of Fire Blast effects. ''This isn't even all of them.'']]

"'''Fire Blast effects'''" are brightly colored translucent accessories that plug into Transformers [[toy]]s or their [[weapon]]s in order to simulate energy blasts, burning damage, jet exhaust, or other action features. They were first featured as part of the ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' toyline and have continued sporadically ever since.

Depending on the toy and their intended placement, these effect parts can be specifically shaped around a corresponding weapon, or have a more universal 3 mm port and/or [[5 mm post]]. Effect parts can be layered to form extra-large simulated fires, explosions, etc., and toys at higher [[Size class|pricepoints]] may include a half-dozen or more. Some, like ''Siege'' [[Lionizer (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Lionizer's]], can be creatively used to represent speed from a [[Micromaster]]-sized vehicle.

Broad types of effect parts include:

*Small gun bursts/impacts
*Melee weapon movement/impacts
*Rocket plumes
*Large gun bursts
*Energy auras

Unfortunately, the chemical composition of their soft bendy [[plastic]] makes them subject to relatively rapid decomposition similar to [[Bludgeon (ROTF)#Voyager|previous]] [[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#Generation 1|figures]] that relied on softer plastics. Collectors quickly learned that if the effect parts are left attached to more rigid pieces such as guns or jet thrusters for a prolonged period of time, they may become so firmly bonded together that separating them causes physical damage, or more mildly, paint stripping. For this reason, it is recommended to store your effects pieces separately to your figures.

==Fire Blast effect accessories==
{{note|The following sections only cover the different types of Fire Blast effect, grouped by type. For a complete visual gallery of all the effect pieces in all available colors, see '''[[Fire Blast effect/gallery]]'''.}}

===''Generations''===
''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' pioneered effect parts during the ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege]]'' subline, before they spread into other parts of the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' and beyond into other lines. Fire blast parts are listed here in the order they were first introduced, matched up with any subsequent redecoes. All of the following accessories feature 3 mm ports and 5 mm posts—usually with the 3 mm port ''inside'' the 5 mm post to act as a universal connector—unless otherwise noted.

[[File:Fireblast Siege Firedrive.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Siege'' Firedrive]]
*'''''Siege'' Firedrive''' (Battle Master, 2018)
*'''''Siege'' Decepticon Phantomstrike Squadron''' (multi-pack, 2019)
*'''''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Megatron''' (Voyager Class, 2020)
*'''''Generations Selects'' Artfire & Nightstick''' (2-pack, 2021)

:''Siege'' [[Battle Master]] [[Firebolt (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Firedrive]] transforms into a double-barrelled blaster, and includes two red fire blast effects in the rough shape of a candle flame. [[Phantomstrike Squadron]] member "[[Fracas#War for Cybertron: Siege|Decepticon Fracas]]" comes with redecoes of these in yellowish-orange, while ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)#Netflix|Trilogy]]'' [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Megatron]]'s pack-in partner "[[Pinpointer (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Captive Pinpointer]]" includes them in hot pink. ''[[Generations Selects (toyline)|Selects]]'' [[Artfire#Generations Selects|Artfire]] and [[Nightstick (Headmasters)#Generations Selects|Nightstick]] feature them in a pale blue to simulate their firefighting water cannons.

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[[File:Fireblast Siege Lionizer.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Siege'' Lionizer]]
*'''''Siege'' Lionizer''' (Battle Master, 2018)
*'''''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Megatron''' (Voyager Class, 2020)

:''Siege'' [[Lionizer (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Lionizer]] includes a light blue effect to represent a slashing motion for his sword mode. This piece introduces a different type of connection consisting of two 3 mm ports with a longer groove in the middle, allowing it to clip onto other melee weapons, like the swords included with ''Siege'' Voyager toys [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Megatron]] and [[Springer (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Springer]] and Battle Masters based on Pteraxadon (see below). This effect is not 5 mm compatible, and while it does attach to standard 3 mm posts, it looks less effective connected to blasters than it does to, say, a Transformer receiving slash damage. With Lionizer's redeco "[[Lionizer (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Captive Lionizer]]" (''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Megatron's other partner), this effect is hot pink.

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[[File:Fireblast Siege Blowpipe.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Siege'' Blowpipe]]
*'''''Siege'' Blowpipe''' (Battle Master, 2018)
*'''''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Hotlink''' (Voyager Class, 2020)
*'''''Kingdom'' Tricranius Beast Power''' (Deluxe Class with accessories pack, 2021)
*'''''Generations Selects'' Cyclonus and Nightstick''' (multi-pack, 2022)

:''Siege'' [[Blowpipe (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Blowpipe]] comes with a yellow blast effect that begins as an explosive discharge at the base, going up to a rounded tier of fiery tips, with a taller point at the centre. Blowpipe's effect is something of an anomaly in that it can be separated into two pieces, with the explosive discharge section towards the base disconnecting into a ring that can be mounted onto 5 mm posts. This two-part piece is included in the ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom]]'' [[Tricranius#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Tricranius Beast Power]] set, redecoed in bright seafoam blue, and with ''Generations Selects'' [[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#Generations Selects|Cyclonus]] and [[Nightstick (G1)#Generations Selects|Nightstick]] in purple. Elsewhere, the "Fire Twins"–''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' [[Hotlink (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Hotlink]]'s partners [[Heatstroke#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Heatstroke]] and [[Heartburn#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Heartburn]]–each include one of this blast effect in bright orange, deliberately omitting the ring part to accentuate the piece's resemblance to a flame.

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[[File:Fireblast Siege Pteraxadon.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Siege'' Pteraxadon]]
*'''''Siege'' Pteraxadon''' (Battle Master, 2019)
*'''''Siege'' Decepticon Phantomstrike Squadron''' (multi-pack, 2019)
*'''''Kingdom'' Golden Disk Collection Autobot Jackpot / Autobot Sights''' (multi-pack, 2022)
*'''''Shattered Glass Collection'' Decepticon Flamewar / Fireglide''' (multi-pack, 2022(?))

:''Siege'' [[Pteraxadon#War for Cybertron: Siege|Pteraxadon]] transforms into an axe, and so includes a blast effect with the same connection type as Lionizer, allowing it to clip onto other ''War for Cybertron'' melee weapons. Pteraxadon's effect is dark blue, and represents his axe mode impacting with a target or surface. Though it features no 5 mm compatibility, a 3 mm hole in the underside allows it to be used as an explosion or particularly large blaster discharge. This effects piece is also included with Pteraxadon's mold-mate, Phantomstrike Squadron member [[Terror-Daxtyl#War for Cybertron: Siege|Terror-Daxtyl]], cast in yellowish-orange. An orange redeco is included with the ''Kingdom'' "Golden Disk Collection" two-pack containing "[[Jackpot (G1)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Autobot Jackpot]]" and "[[Sights (G1)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Autobot Sights]]". Another yellowish-orange one comes with ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Shattered Glass Collection|Shattered Glass Collection]]'' "[[Flamewar (SG)#Toys|Decepticon Flamewar]]" and [[Fireglide#Toys|Fireglide]], this time with stripe of orange paint across the underside.

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[[File:Fireblast Siege Aimless.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Siege'' Aimless]]
*'''''Siege'' Aimless''' (Battle Master, 2019)
*'''''Siege'' Decepticon Phantomstrike Squadron''' (multi-pack, 2019)
*'''''Siege'' Singe''' (Battle Master, 2019)
*'''''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Sparkless Seeker''' (Voyager Class, 2021)
*'''''Generations Selects'' Artfire & Nightstick''' (2-pack, 2021)

:''Siege'' [[Aimless#War for Cybertron: Siege|Aimless]] includes a pair of two similar but slightly different red blaster effects; both are shaped like a wispy beam that splits and recombines near the base. These are included in blue with Aimless' redeco, the Phantomstrike Squadron's [[Hairsplitter#War for Cybertron: Siege|Shrute]]. Afterwards, they see use with the ''other'' Battle Master gun mold, coming in green with ''Siege'' [[Singe#War for Cybertron: Siege|Singe]], and slightly darker green with "[[Singe#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Sparkless Singe]]", a zombie version partnered with ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' [[Sparkless#SparklessSeeker|Sparkless Seeker]]. A pair is also included with ''Generations Selects'' Artfire and Nightstick, in an aquatic blue.

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[[File:Fireblast Siege Dazzlestrike.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Siege'' Dazzlestrike]]
*'''''Siege'' Autobot Greenlight & Dazzlestrike''' (2-pack, 2019)

:While [[Dazzlestrike#War for Cybertron: Siege|Dazzlestrike]] is a very minor [[repaint]] of Lionizer, the two lion bots have completely different effects parts. This piece is shaped like a thin strip of fire, and, like Lionizer's effect, features melee weapon-style connection ports to simulate a flaming slash attack. This piece lacks 5 mm compatibility, and is not especially suited to 3 mm post blaster weaponry–and since Dazzlestrike turns into a "Shadowsteel '''Ice'''blade", perhaps it's not really suited to them either.

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[[File:Fireblast Siege Alphastrike Counterforce Trenchfoot.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Siege'' Autobot Alphastrike Counterforce Trenchfoot]]
*'''''Siege'' Autobot Alphastrike Counterforce''' (multi-pack, 2019)
*'''''Siege'' Caliburst''' (Battle Master, 2019)
*'''''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Sparkless Seeker''' (Voyager Class, 2021)
*'''''Kingdom'' Tricranius Beast Power''' (Deluxe Class with accessories pack, 2021)
*'''''Generations Selects'' Cyclonus and Nightstick''' (multi-pack, 2022)

:Included for the first time with ''Siege'' [[Firestormer#Generations|Alphastrike Counterforce]] member [[Trenchfoot#War for Cybertron: Siege|Trenchfoot]], this effect is shaped like a conical blast on the end of a twisting tail. Trenchfoot's is in [[The Transformers (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] Autobot yellow, while [[Caliburst (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Caliburst]]'s is in Decepticon purple. Like Singe, Caliburst was zombified into "[[Caliburst (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Sparkless Caliburst]]", ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Sparkless Seeker's other partner, and he comes with a darker purple piece. Another purple version of this piece is included with ''Selects'' Cyclonus and Nightstick. This effect, in bright seafoam blue, is also one of the ones that comes in the ''Kingdom'' Tricranius set; curiously, the two components to this release of the effects piece are not glued together, resulting in a separate head and tail with limited compatibility to the play pattern (though they can still hold together with friction).

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[[File:Fireblast Siege Smashdown.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Siege'' Smashdown]]
*'''''Siege'' Smashdown''' (Battle Master, 2019)
*'''''Earthrise'' Smashdown''' (Battle Master, 2020)
*'''''Legacy: United'' Doom 'n Destruction Collection 3-Pack''' (Multi-pack, 2024)

:''Siege'' [[Smashdown#War for Cybertron: Siege|Smashdown]] transforms into a hammer, and includes an orange blast effect that plugs into a 5 mm port in the business end to simulate... well, smashing down. Unlike the other ''War for Cybertron'' melee weapon effects, Smashdown's piece does not include the modified groove connection; instead, a 3 mm hole runs through the centre, allowing it to attach to the appropriate posts to serve as a (particularly wide and flat) explosion or blaster discharge, and it has a shallow post in the concave side to fit into 5 mm ports. [[Smashdown#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Smashdown]] saw a straight [[Rebranding|repackage]] in ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise]]'', with this effect still included. When Smashdown was eventually redecoed into ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy: United]]'' [[Malleus Minotaurus#Toys|Malleus Minotaurus]], he included a redeco of this piece in dark turquoise, as well as [[#Malleus|an additional, unique blast effect]].

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[[File:Fireblast Siege Rung.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Siege'' Rung]]
*'''''Siege'' Rung''' (Battle Master, 2019)
*'''''Earthrise'' Rung''' (Battle Master, 2020)

:Released at the tail end of ''Siege'', [[Rung (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Rung]] includes a pair of blue blast effects, which are pointed in shape and jagged with an electric-like appearance. Like Smashdown, Rung also received a [[Rung (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|second release]] in ''Earthrise'', with unchanged blast effects. A prototype of ''Siege'' Rung was displayed with different effects pieces; see the entry for "Battlefield Rung" below for more information.

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[[File:Fireblast Siege Jetfire.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Siege'' Jetfire]]
{{collist|2|
*'''''Siege'' Jetfire''' (Commander Class, 2019)
*'''''Earthrise'' Scorponok''' (Titan Class, 2020)
*'''''Kingdom'' Autobot Ark''' (Titan Class, 2021)
*'''''Kingdom'' Tricranius Beast Power''' (Deluxe Class with accessories pack, 2021)
*'''''Collaborative'' J. Balvintron''' (2021)
*'''''Shattered Glass Collection'' Jetfire''' (Commander Class, 2021)
*'''''Legacy'' Victory Saber''' (2022)
*'''''Legacy'' Decepticon Deathsaurus''' (2023)
*'''''Buzzworthy Bumblebee'' Ironhide / Prowl''' (2023)
*'''''Legacy Evolution'' Armada Universe Powerlinx Hot Shot / Armada Universe Jolt''' (2023)
*'''''Studio Series'' Brawn / Autobot Ratchet''' (2024)
*'''''TL-EX'' Starscream Super Mode''' (2024)
*'''''Age of the Primes'' Star Optimus Prime''' (Titan Class, 2025)
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:Now we're into the big leagues. Ringing in the Commander Class, ''Siege'' [[Jetfire (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Jetfire]] includes ''six'' blast effects in the form of a pair of (identical) three-stage rocket plumes. The tip of the plume is a lengthy fireblast. The two lower pieces of each plume feature 5 mm posts underneath and 5 mm ports on top, making them stackable with any other compatible effects and accessories–one could even make a huge five-part rocket blast with just the pieces included in the set. Only one trio of these effects is included with ''Earthrise'' [[Scorponok (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Scorponok]], in the same orange colour as Jetfire's. ''Kingdom'' [[Ark (G1)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Autobot Ark]] includes all six in a deep turquoise, while ''Kingdom'' Tricranius' copies are a bright seafoam blue. Jetfire's rifle accessories are redecoed for inclusion with ''[[Transformers Collaborative|Collaborative]]'' [[J. Balvintron#Toys|J. Balvintron]], and the blast effects follow suit, decoed in a suitably vibrant gradient of colours. The later ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Shattered Glass Collection|Shattered Glass Collection]]'' [[Jetfire (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Jetfire]] is bundled with all six, this time in a deeper shade of blue. All six pieces in a new, aquamarine color were included with [[Hasbro Pulse#HasLab|HasLab]] [[Star Saber (G1)#Legacy|Victory Saber]]; the Fire Blasts along with the "V-Lock Cannon" accessory were the "Tier 1" bonus rewards which were unlocked when the project passed 14,000 backers on [[October 6]], [[2021]]. The six pieces, now in Decepticon purple, were also included as a "Tier 1" bonus for the similarly crowdfunded "[[Deathsaurus (G1)#Legacy|Decepticon Deathsaurus]]" to plug into his [[Living-Metal-Destroying Cannon]] when his project also passed 14,000 backers on [[December 5]], 2022. The ''[[Buzzworthy Bumblebee]]'' [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Ironhide]] and [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Prowl]] two-pack comes with all six pieces in dark violet, presumably to be used on the new ports on their retooled chests. The ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy: Evolution]]'' multipack of [[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys#LegacyPowerlinx|Armada Universe Powerlinx Hot Shot]] and [[Jolt (Armada)#Legacy|Armada Universe Jolt]] (phew!) also includes all six pieces in slightly orangey red. The ''[[Studio Series]]'' [[Brawn (G1)/toys#SStwopack|Brawn]] and [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#SStwopack|Autobot Ratchet]] two-pack again comes with all six pieces in a purplier, more matte finish. The 40th Anniversary Transformers Expo 2024-exclusive [[Starscream (Armada)/toys#LegacySuper|Starscream Super Mode]] repaint includes all six pieces in pink for his [[Null-ray|null-ray cannon]] attack. [[Age of the Primes]]' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Age_of_the_Primes|first Titan Class figure]] makes up for the relative lack of blast effects in recent releases by including a whopping ''three'' pairs of blast effects, two of which being this particular style in a light orange color.
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[[File:Fireblast Siege Omega Supreme.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Siege'' Omega Supreme]]
*'''''Siege'' Omega Supreme''' (Titan Class, 2019)
*'''''Earthrise'' Sky Lynx''' (Commander Class, 2020)
*'''''Kingdom'' Rodimus Prime''' (Commander Class, 2021)
*'''''Kingdom'' Tricranius Beast Power''' (Deluxe Class with accessories pack, 2021)
*'''''Generations Selects'' Guardian Robot and Lunar-Tread''' (Titan Class, 2023)
*'''''Studio Series'' Ultra Magnus''' (Commander Class, 2023)
*'''''Legacy: United'' Beast Wars Universe Magmatron''' (Commander Class, 2024)
*'''''Synergenex'' Megatron Type Godzilla''' (Leader Class, 2024)
*'''''Age of the Primes'' Star Optimus Prime''' (Titan Class, 2025)

:''Siege'' Titan Class [[Omega Supreme (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Omega Supreme]] comes with seven effects pieces, five of which can be stacked via 5 mm posts and ports to form a tall, smoky explosion inspired by a rocket blasting off. The remaining two effects are copies of the explosion's tip, for use as a fiery weapons discharge or damage impact. These are the first blast effects to feature paint, as they are cast in yellow plastic with charcoal paint gradients towards their 5 mm posts to simulate an inner glow. They are unpainted in most subsequent releases: the full set of seven is included with ''Earthrise'' [[Sky Lynx (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Sky Lynx]] in bright orange, ''Kingdom'' [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Rodimus Prime]] in blue, ''Kingdom'' Tricranius in hot pink, Omega's ''Selects'' redeco [[Guardian robot#Generations Selects|Guardian Robot]] in darker orange, and ''Legacy: United'' [[Magmatron#Legacy|Beast Wars Universe Magmatron]] in purple. The set included with ''[[Studio Series]]'' Commander Class [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Studio Series|Ultra Magnus]] comes in an apple-juicy orange, and features flat grey paint applications. ''[[Synergenex]]'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Synergenex|Megatron Type Godzilla]] includes three of the stackable parts, to represent [[Godzilla]]'s fiery breath. Besides the two pairs mentioned above, ''Age of the Primes'' Star Optimus Prime includes one set of these effects in dark orange for use with his many weapons; additionally, the promo pictures show this set being used in conjunction with his hilt/Matrix accessory as a sort of flaming sword (although with the magic of 5mm ports, this could be done with any of the effects included with the figure).

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[[File:Fireblast_Trilogy_Battlefield_Rung.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Battlefield Rung]]
*'''''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Spoiler Pack''' #1 (Leader Unboxing, 2020)

:Partnered with [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Ultra Magnus]] in the first ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Spoiler Pack, "[[Rung (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Battlefield Rung]]" comes with two pink, flimsy blast effects designed to look like arcs of lightning. When a hand-painted prototype of the original ''Siege'' Rung was displayed at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2019, he was equipped with [https://www.seibertron.com/events/fullsize.php?event_id=649&size=1&image=55 blue versions of ''these'' blast effects], instead of the ones he actually comes with.

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[[File:Fireblast Earthrise Soundbarrier.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Earthrise'' Soundbarrier]]
*'''''Earthrise'' Soundbarrier''' (Battle Master, 2020)
*'''''Kingdom'' Tricranius Beast Power''' (Deluxe Class with accessories pack, 2021)

:The new Battle Master molds introduced in ''Earthrise'' transform from robot into a ramp mode which can be used as a shield by a larger figure, and [[Soundbarrier#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Soundbarrier]] is no exception. With a flat surface destined to get hit during battle for an alt mode, Soundbarrier's included orange blast effect more closely resembles a damaging explosion than previous effects, though it can also be used as a weapons discharge in 5 mm blasters if one chooses. ''Kingdom'' Tricranius includes two copies of this effect in hot pink. The instruction sheet for the [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#2021Netflix|third ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Spoiler Pack]] shows two of these effects as components of [[Skelivore#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Fossilizer Skelivore]]—in particular, they're depicted plugged into Skelivore's 5 mm ports, which the effects actually ''included'' in the set can't do.

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[[File:Fireblast Earthrise Slitherfang.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Earthrise'' Slitherfang]]
*'''''Earthrise'' Slitherfang''' (Battle Master, 2020)
*'''''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Spoiler Pack''' #2 (Leader Unboxing, 2020)
*'''''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Spoiler Pack''' #3 (Leader Unboxing, 2021)

:Another of ''Earthrise''{{'}}s ramp/shields, [[Slitherfang#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Slitherfang]] includes a round, orange explosion impact with a particularly tall vertical point. Leaning into the idea that these effects should be for damage rather than weapons fire, this accessory lacks the standard 5 mm post, allowing it to sit more flush on Slitherfang's 3 mm posts and against other flat surfaces. A pink version of this effect is included with [[Fangtron#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Fangtron]] in the [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy|second ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Spoiler Pack]], and a blue one is hidden in the modelling compound of the third ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Spoiler Pack; according to the instructions, the latter is supposed to interact with Skelivore, but since they completely lack 3 mm posts, you'll have to put it on Megatron instead.

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[[File:Fireblast Earthrise Doublecrosser.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Earthrise'' Decepticon Doublecrosser]]
*'''''Earthrise'' Decepticon Doublecrosser''' (Battle Master, 2020)
*'''''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Spoiler Pack''' #3 (Leader Unboxing, 2021)

:The third and final of the ''Earthrise'' ramp/shields, [[Doublecrosser (Earthrise)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Doublecrosser]] comes with a small, orange explosion impact with outward-spreading points. As with Slitherfang, Doublecrosser's piece lacks a 5 mm post to more closely simulate battle damage. A blue copy of this piece is hidden in the modelling compound of the third ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Spoiler Pack and, as above, is advertised as interacting with Skelivore, but only compatible with Megatron.

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[[File:Fireblast SS86 Hot Rod flames.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Studio Series'' Autobot Hot Rod's flame effects]]
*'''''Studio Series'' Autobot Hot Rod''' (Voyager Class, 2021)
*<s>'''''Legacy'' Velocitron Speedia 500 Collection Autobot Hot Rod''' (Voyager Class, 2022)</s>
*'''''Shattered Glass Collection'' Rodimus / Sideswipe & Decepticon Whisper''' (Multi-pack, 2023)

:As a smaller-sized Voyager toy in the ''[[Studio Series]]'' line, "[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Studio Series|Autobot Hot Rod]]" fills out the price point with a handful of accessories, including a pair of light blue blast effects shaped like flames. These effects each feature two 3 mm ports shaped to attach to Hot Rod's exhaust pipes in either mode. They can be used on any 3 mm post, but due to their shape, they do not feature a 5 mm post. Hot Rod was due to receive a [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Velocitron|G1 toy-accurate redeco]] in the ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' "Velocitron Speedia 500 Collection", with his blast effects coloured orange, though this did not come to pass. The ''Shattered Glass Collection'' redeco, [[Rodimus (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Rodimus]], comes with two of these effects in eeevil red.

:The ''Studio Series'' Hot Rod mold set also includes an effect for its Matrix, listed [[#Nonstandard blast effects|below]].

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[[File:Fireblast SS86 Scourge.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Studio Series'' Scourge]]
*'''''Studio Series'' Scourge''' (Voyager Class, 2021)
*'''''Studio Series'' Decepticon Sweep''' (Voyager Class, 2021)

:Another "''Studio Series'' 86" Voyager toy, [[Scourge (G1)/toys#Studio Series|Scourge]] includes a long, twisting, purple laser blast of varying thickness. Scourge features 3 mm hardpoints on his rifle and... spacey jet engine fin things, meaning that yes, you can attach the blast effect to his head-mounted gun in his secondary vehicle mode configuration. As a retool of Scourge, "[[Sweep (G1)#Studio Series|Decepticon Sweep]]" includes the same laser blast is a marginally variant shade of pinkish purple.

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[[File:Fireblast Kingdom Rodimus Prime exhausts.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Kingdom'' Rodimus Prime's exhaust smoke effects]]
*'''''Kingdom'' Rodimus Prime''' (Commander Class, 2021)

:In addition to seven redecoed Omega Supreme blast effects, ''Kingdom'' Rodimus Prime also comes with two new exhaust pipe smoke effects. Unlike the vast majority of blast effects, these ones are cast in hard plastic instead of the rubberized stuff; oddly, they are made of translucent blue plastic, then painted over entirely black. With a row of two-and-a-half 3 mm ports, they're designed, unsurprisingly, to attach to his vehicle modes' exhausts, which are usually depicted as forearm-mounted blasters in fiction. They can attach to any 3 mm post but, owing to their design, they lack 5 mm interactivity. Rodimus Prime also includes a Matrix aura effect, listed [[#Nonstandard blast effects|below]].

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[[File:Fireblast Collaborative X-Spanse weapons.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Collaborative'' Ultimate X-Spanse's weapons]]
*'''''Collaborative'' Ultimate X-Spanse''' (2021)

:As a crossover with the [[X-Men]] franchise, ''[[Transformers Collaborative|Collaborative]]'' [[Ultimate X-Spanse#Toys|Ultimate X-Spanse]] includes a handful of accessories inspired by the merry [[Mutant (Marvel)|Mutants]]. In terms of blast effects, X-Spanse is armed with two bright pink, 5 mm compatible accessories intended to plug into the back of his hands: one is a [[Wolverine (Marvel)|Wolverine]]-inspired, three-pronged claw, while the other is a blade/blast inspired by {{w|Psylocke}}'s psychic knife. Both of these effects have a small hole in the side so that they can be stored underneath X-Spanse's wings or on his landing gear/robot mode waist; however, unusually for blast effects, neither has a 3 mm port, and so they are incompatible with much of the play pattern. X-Spanse also has another trend-bucking blast effect accessory, which you can read about [[#Nonstandard blast effects|below]].
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[[File:Fireblast SS86 Spike Witwicky.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Studio Series'' Spike Witwicky]]
*'''''Studio Series'' Exo-Suit Spike Witwicky''' (Core Class, 2022)

:The diminutive [[Spike Witwicky (G1)#Studio Series|Spike Witwicky]] released in ''Studio Series'' includes a pair of bulb-shaped boost effects featuring one tall point surrounded by a ring of smaller spikes (no pun intended), cast in translucent, yellow-orange hard plastic. They can be used on the back of Spike's [[exosuit]] in vehicle mode as an eruption of exhaust; the same 3 mm mounting points end up on his elbows in bipedal mode, which stock images show by rotating his forearms around to become wrist blasters. Owing to their small size, these effects are only compatible with 3 mm posts.
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[[File:Fireblast Legacy Megatron.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Legacy'' Transmetal II Megatron]]
*'''''Legacy'' Transmetal II Megatron''' (Leader Class, 2022)
*'''''Legacy: Evolution'' Transmetal II Megatron''' (Leader Class, 2023)

:Part of the ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' toyline, [[Megatron (BW)/toys#Legacy|Transmetal II Megatron]] comes with a long, orange, kind of flat blast effect in the shape of a billowing plume of fire. It is about the same length as his beast mode's neck, which is no slouch in the size department itself, and it can be plugged into his dragon mouth to simulate fire breath. Stock images also show it being used as a club in robot mode. Unlike most blast effects, this one is made of rigid plastic. Megatron received a [[package refresh]] in ''[[Transformers: Legacy#Evolution|Legacy: Evolution]]'', with no changes to his blast effect.
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[[File:Fireblast Collaborative Dilophocon.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Collaborative'' Dilophocon]]
*'''''Collaborative'' Dilophocon / Autobot JP12''' (2023)

:Celebrating the thirtieth anniversary of the original ''[[Jurassic Park]]'' film, ''Collaborative'' [[Dilophocon#Toys|Dilophocon]] comes with a translucent blue splurt of a blast effect with pea green paint on the business end. The (presumably 5 mm) post on its underside can be put into position on her handheld blaster, though its primary purpose is horribly maiming [[JP12#Toys|JP12]] by being plugged into her beast mode mouth, simulating the venom spit attack of a real ''{{w|Dilophosaurus}}''! [''citation needed'']

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[[File:Fireblast Collaborative Code Red.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Collaborative'' Code Red]]
*'''''Collaborative'' Code Red''' (2023)

:Another entry in the ''Collaborative'' line, [[Code Red]] is a Surfer Boy pizza delivery Volkswagen vanagon based on the vehicle from ''{{w|Stranger Things}}''. His roof-mounted decorative light becomes a shoulder cannon in robot mode, complete with a blast effect shaped like a billowing plume of flame, cast in translucent blue plastic and with a painted gradient of yellow/orange that becomes more opaque towards the tip.
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[[File:Fireblast Collaborative Frankentron.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Collaborative'' Frankentron]]
*'''''Collaborative'' Frankentron''' (2023)

:Another ''Collaborative'' effort, [[Frankenstein's monster#Toys|Frankentron]] comes with a wildly jagged, cascading blast effect cast in purple, for use with his Tesla coil cannon, in homage to the lightning that gave Frankenstein's monster life.
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[[File:Fireblast Legacy United Malleus Minotaurus 2.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Legacy: United'' Malleus Minotaurus]]
*'''''Legacy: United'' Doom 'n Destruction Collection 3-Pack''' (Multi-pack, 2024){{anchor|Malleus}}

:A redeco of [[Smashdown#Toys|Smashdown]], ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy: United]]'' [[Malleus Minotaurus#Toys|Malleus Minotaurus]] not only comes with a redeco of that toy's blast effect piece, but also a squat and square piece to fit over either end of the hammer head to simulate it being covered in melted slag. Both pieces are molded in dark turquoise.
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[[File:StudioSeries86CommanderOptimusPrime.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Studio Series'' '86 Optimus Prime]]
*'''''Studio Series'' Optimus Prime (Commander Class, 2024)

:The second Commander Class figure of the ''Studio Series'' toyline, [[Optimus_Prime_(G1)/Generations_toys#Studio_Series|''Studio Series'' '86 Optimus Prime]] comes with two new pairs of blast effects, both molded in orange. One pair are laser effects styled in a similar way to the ones included with the [[Optimus_Prime_(G1)/toys#MP44|''Masterpiece'' MP-44 Convoy]] figure, which can be plugged into either his Ion Blaster accessory or the repair drone inside his trailer. The other pair of blast effects are a pair of fire-styled ones that are fitted underneath Optimus' truck cab in vehicle mode to recreate his famous rocket jumping scene during the Battle of Autobot City.

:As a bonus, the two pairs of effects can be stored in the trailer included with the figure: the laser effects inside the trailer itself in dedicated storage clips for them whereas the "jump" effects are stored inside the undercarriage of the trailer. It should also be noted that when stored in the trailer alongside the figure's other accessories such as [[Roller_(G1)#Studio_Series|Roller]] and the aforementioned repair drone, there's still enough space inside to store at least one deluxe class car as well.
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===From ''Cyberverse''===
Not to be left out of the fun, when the ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]]'' toyline introduced its own [[Transformers: Cyberverse (toyline)#Deluxe Class|Deluxe Class assortment]], pitched at slightly older kids than the standard ''Cyberverse'' range, each release included at least one unique blast effect to that character. The accessories listed below are completely compatible with the ''Generations'' play pattern unless otherwise noted (although this range also had a few major departures in that respect; [[#Nonstandard blast effects|see below]] for more information).

[[File:TF-Cyberverse-2018-Deluxe-Class-Optimus-Prime.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Cyberverse'' Optimus Prime]]
*'''''Cyberverse'' Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe Class, 2019)
*'''''Buzzworthy Bumblebee'' Heroes of Cybertron 3-Pack''' (Deluxe Class 3-pack, 2022)

:[[Optimus Prime (Cyberverse)#Deluxe Class|Optimus Prime]] comes with a two-piece, deep blue energy blast shaped roughly like a mushroom. It can be separated into the tail (resembling a wide blast) and the head (resembling... a squat splodge) to attach to any of the standard ports, but the main draw here is fitting it into the 5 mm post in his open chest for what the packaging calls his "Matrix Mega Shot". Optimus received an unchanged re-release in the ''[[Buzzworthy Bumblebee]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Cyberverse)#Buzzworthy Deluxe|Heroes of Cybertron 3-Pack]], once again including the blast effect.

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[[File:TF-Cyberverse-2018-Deluxe-Class-Shockwave.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Cyberverse'' Decepticon Shockwave]]
*'''''Cyberverse'' Decepticon Shockwave''' (Deluxe Class, 2019)

:"[[Shockwave (Cyberverse)#Deluxe Class|Decepticon Shockwave]]" is molded with a neon pink blaster shot effect with a long beam and a short explosive discharge near the base. Like Blowpipe's effect above, Shockwave's blast is composed of two pieces; together, they are only compatible with 3 mm ports, but when separated, the beam can also fit into 5 mm holes, and the explosive ring can mount on 5 mm ports. Shockwave's signature attack is the "Shock Blast", achieved by putting the combined blast effect on the barrel of his grey handheld blaster, but why do ''that'' when you can attach the separated beam piece to the 3 mm port on his face to give him a ''frikkin' eye laser''?

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[[File:TF-Cyberverse-2018-Deluxe-Class-Megatron.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Cyberverse'' Megatron]]
*'''''Cyberverse'' Megatron''' (Deluxe Class, 2019)

:A hot pink blast effect is included with [[Megatron (Cyberverse)#Deluxe Class|Megatron]]. A bit like Blowpipe's and Shockwave's accessories, Megatron's effect is shaped like a thick blast with a discharge near its peg. Similarly, it does separate into two pieces, but since the resulting hole on the beam and the resulting port on the discharge are too big for 5 mm connections, the separation might not be intended. What ''is'' intended is plugging the piece into Megatron's ever-present fusion cannon, forming his "Fusion Mega Shot" Action Attack.

:[https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/archive/9/95/20220302134119%21TF-Cyberverse-2018-Deluxe-Class-Megatron.jpg Some of Megatron's stock photos] omit the longer part of the blast effect.

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[[File:TF-Cyberverse-2018-Deluxe-Class-Grimlock.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Cyberverse'' Grimlock]]
*'''''Cyberverse'' Grimlock''' (Deluxe Class, 2020)

:As a first for blast effects (but not an isolated case), [[Grimlock (Cyberverse)#Deluxe Class|Grimlock]]'s orange plume effect is intended for his ''beast'' mode, plugging into the port in his T. rex mouth to simulate fiery breath for an Action Attack the packaging calls "Chomp Jaw"... for some reason. Grimlock includes no weapon accessories, so to prevent him from being unarmed in robot mode, you can also use this piece in his 5 mm-compatible hands as some kind of flame club.

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[[File:TF-Cyberverse-2018-Deluxe-Class-Hot-Rod.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Cyberverse'' Autobot Hot Rod]]
*'''''Cyberverse'' Autobot Hot Rod''' (Deluxe Class, 2020)
*'''''EarthSpark'' Prowl'' (Deluxe Class, 2023?)

:In what seems to be a new tradition for Rodimuses, "[[Hot Rod (Cyberverse)#Deluxe Class|Autobot Hot Rod]]" comes with a pair of flame effects for his exhaust pipes, this time in orange. Unlike the other two sets of flame effects, this Hot Rod's pair is compatible with both 3 mm and 5 mm mounting points. The effects are mirrors of each other, and both feature two teeth towards the base to allow them to clip into grooves ''between'' Hot Rod's three pipes; in robot mode, this becomes his wrist-mounted "Fusion Flame" attack.

:Hot Rod was redecoed into ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (toyline)|EarthSpark]]'' [[Prowl (ES)#Toys|Prowl]], which included the flame effects in yellow.

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[[File:TF-Cyberverse-2018-Deluxe-Arcee.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Cyberverse'' Arcee]]
*'''''Cyberverse'' Arcee''' (Deluxe Class, 2020)

:[[Arcee (Cyberverse)#Cyberverse|Arcee]] comes with two long, light blue blast effects, shaped similarly to ''Siege'' Jetfire's plumes. The suggested configuration is putting them on the 3 mm ports on her blaster, resulting in her "Dual Energon Lasers" Action Attack, though their length and 5 mm compatibility mean they could also be used as handheld weapons, if you're feeling the influence of [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|a particular sword lesbian]].

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[[File:Cyberverse-2020-Deluxe-Prowl.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Cyberverse'' Prowl]]
*'''''Cyberverse'' Prowl''' (Deluxe Class, 2020)

:[[Prowl (Cyberverse)#Deluxe|Prowl]] is bundled with two yellow effects parts. While they are similar in length, and both feature explosive discharges near the base, their designs differ: one is a laser with a thin tail and a spearhead-shaped tip, while the other more closely resembles a spray of fire or liquid. With one on each shoulder cannon, Prowl assumes his "Siren Shot" Action Attack position. Owing to the round, bulbous shape of the bases of these pieces, they are only compatible with 3 mm ports.

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[[File:Cyberverse-2020-Deluxe-Soundwave.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Cyberverse'' Soundwave]]
*'''''Cyberverse'' Soundwave''' (Deluxe Class, 2020)

:[[Soundwave (Cyberverse)#Deluxe|Soundwave]] includes a squat, purple, octagonal effects part with a {{w|triangle wave}} design on its front face. Fittingly, when attached to the "battery" cannon on his right shoulder, this configuration is known as the "Sound Blast" attack.

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[[File:Cyberverse-2020-Deluxe-Starscream.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Cyberverse'' Starscream]]
*'''''Cyberverse'' Starscream''' (Deluxe Class, 2020)

:Rounding out the ''Cyberverse'' assortment, [[Starscream (Cyberverse)#Deluxe Class|Starscream]] comes with three sizeable blast effects. The first two effects are a pair of lengthy, orange bursts for his forearm-mounted null rays. The third effect is a launching cluster of missiles which can attach under his jet mode nosecone or, to enact his "Seeker Strike" Action Attack, it can peg onto his... general chest area. Since all three effects are rather wide around the base, they are only compatible with 3 mm posts.
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[[File:Cyberverse toy Deluxe Class Slug.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Cyberverse'' Dinobot Slug]]
*'''''Cyberverse'' Dinobot Slug''' (Deluxe Class, 2021)

:As part of the line's ''Dinobots Unite'' subline imprint, "[[Slug (Cyberverse)#Deluxe Class|Dinobot Slug]]" includes an opaque red, twin-headed, combustive blast effect for his double-barrelled blaster. Though it represents two weapons discharges, even featuring a gap between the two shafts of the blast, this effect is one solid piece. Combining his effect, blaster, and Energon axe accessories and mounting them on his back results in the "Blaster Fire Fury" signature attack. This effect is only compatible with 3 mm posts, with it featuring two 3 mm holes in the base. Slug's axe and beast mode horns are cast from the same red plastic, but those don't count as blast effects for obvious reasons (though the handle of the axe has a 3 mm post to attach effects pieces to it in its blaster configuration).
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===Other contemporary 3 mm compatible accessories===
Borne of the same design team, and often made from the same constituent materials, the following accessories are also compatible with the 3 mm posts found in the fire blast effect play pattern—but are not fire blasts in the ''strictest'' sense. So you ''can'' use them as damage impacts and weapons discharge, but they'd look pretty silly.

[[File:TF-Generations-WFC-S-Refraktor-Reconnaissance-Team-Kremzeek.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Siege'' Kremzeek]]
*'''''Siege'' Refraktor Reconnaissance Team 3-Pack''' (multi-pack, 2019)

:Included with the exclusive ''Siege'' [[Reflector (G1)#3pack|Refraktor Reconnaissance Team 3-Pack]] is a small rubberised figurine of [[Kremzeek#War for Cybertron: Siege|Kremzeek]], the electric reprobate from the [[Kremzeek!|episode of the same name]]. Each of Kremzeek's feet features a 3 mm hole.

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[[File:Fireblast Collaborative Ectotron Slimer.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Collaborative'' Slimer]]
*'''''Collaborative'' Ectotron''' (2019)
*'''''Collaborative'' MP-10G Optimus Prime Ecto-35 Edition''' (2019)
*'''''Collaborative'' Ectotron''' (2021)

:The inaugural release in ''[[Transformers Collaborative]]'', [[Ectotron#Toys|Ectotron]] includes a 3 mm compatible figurine of the [[Ghostbusters]]' troublemaker-cum-mascot, [[Slimer#Toys|Slimer]], in translucent green plastic. Slimer also comes with "[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#CollabGB|Optimus Prime Ecto-35 Edition]]", this time opaque with a painted mouth and eyes. With the [[Ectotron#Afterlife|second release of Ectotron]], Slimer is once more translucent and unpainted, but in a slightly darker green.

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[[File:Earthrise Arcee blast effect compatibility.JPG|right|upright=1|thumb|''Earthrise'' Arcee]]
*'''''Earthrise'' Arcee''' (Deluxe Class, 2020)
*'''''Earthrise'' Galactic Odyssey Collection Paradron Medics''' (2020)
*'''''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Autobot Elita-1''' (Deluxe Class, 2020)
*'''''Kingdom'' Arcee''' (Deluxe Class, 2021)

:In the interests of completeness, we'll take the opportunity to note that ''Earthrise'' Deluxe Class [[Arcee (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Arcee]] makes use of 3 mm posts and holes to ride her hoverboard in robot mode. As such, her feet are completely compatible with anywhere you can mount blast effects. This holds true with her "Galactic Odyssey Collection" redeco [[Lifeline (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Lifeline]], her ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' retool "[[Elita One (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Autobot Elita-1]]", and her [[Arcee (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|package refresh]] in ''Kingdom''.

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*'''''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Deluxe Centurion Drone Weaponizer Pack''' (Deluxe Class with accessories pack, 2020)

:Among many many other accessories, the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' [[Centurion droid#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Deluxe Centurion Drone Weaponizer Pack]] includes two [[Energon cube#Centurion|energon cube]]s. These cubes are made of solid plastic, unlike the majority of blast effects, and each one features a 3 mm port in one corner. The set also contains a miniature accessory of [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Soundwave]]'s microcassette recorder mode, which has a 3 mm hole on the underside.

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[[File:TF-WFC-Trilogy-Kranix.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Kranix]]
*'''''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Quintesson Pit of Judgement''' (multi-pack, 2020)

:The unfortunate guest of the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' [[Quintesson#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Quintesson Pit of Judgement]], this small, non-articulated figurine of [[Kranix (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Kranix]] features a blast effect-port compatible 3 mm hole in his left foot. (Incidentally, his right foot has a hole compatible with the [[Titan Master]] pegs found on ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' toys.)

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[[File:Fireblast Collaborative Maverick Volleyball.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Collaborative'' Maverick]]
*'''''Collaborative'' Maverick''' (2020)

:Released to tie in with ''{{w|Top Gun}}'', ''Collaborative'' [[Maverick (Collaborative)#Toys|Maverick]] includes an interchangeable pair of hands with 3 mm posts in the palms ''specifically'' so he can hold the included "blast effect" volleyball accessory. That's right – this toy uses a homoerotically-charged beach game as a selling point. ''Transformers'' has peaked.

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[[File:Fireblast Trilogy Spoiler Pack Megatron Allspark.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Spoiler Pack Allspark]]
*'''''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Spoiler Pack''' #3 (Leader Unboxing, 2021)
*'''''Buzzworthy Bumblebee'' Worlds Collide''' (4-pack, 2021)

:One of the goodies buried in the compound of the third ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' Spoiler Pack, this [[AllSpark#Generations|Allspark]] accessory is bright yellow and just shy of 11 millimetres cubed. Based on the model from the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' show, the Allspark features a 3 mm hole in one face so it can peg onto the included Megatron to recreate events from the cartoon. The Allspark's opposite face has a shallow 3 mm post of its own, so other blast effects can be mounted onto it. A redecoed [[AllSpark#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Allspark]], this time in a dark gold colour, is included as an accessory for the [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#WorldsCollide|Bumblebee]] included in the baffling ''[[Buzzworthy Bumblebee]]'' "Worlds Collide" multi-pack.

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[[File:Fireblast Collaborative Muncher.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Collaborative'' Muncher]]
*'''''Collaborative'' Ectotron''' (2021)

:The second ''Collaborative'' Ectotron is released in promotion of ''{{w|Ghostbusters: Afterlife}}'', and includes a translucent blue figure of that film's <s>hideous</s> cute merchandisable character, [[Muncher#Toys|Muncher]]. As with Slimer, Muncher features a 3 mm port on the underside.

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[[File:Fireblast Legacy Evolution Paradise Parakeet.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Legacy: Evolution'' Paradise Parakeet]]
*'''''Legacy: Evolution'' Beachcomber & Paradise Parakeet''' (Deluxe Class, 2023)

:Receiving top billing alongside ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy: Evolution]]'' [[Beachcomber (G1)#Legacy|Beachcomber]], "[[Paradise Parakeet]]" is a funny little guy based on Beachcomber's iconic avian friend from the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' cartoon]] episode "[[The Golden Lagoon (episode)|The Golden Lagoon]]". The bird's base can perch on 3 mm posts, like on Beachcomber's shoulder, or in any 5 mm ports.
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[[File:Fireblast Legacy United Origin Wheeljack dominator discs.JPG|right|upright=1|thumb|''Legacy: United'' Origin Wheeljack]]
*'''''Legacy: United'' Origin Wheeljack''' (Voyager Class, 2024)

:The ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy: United]]'' toy "[[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Legacy|Origin Wheeljack]]", based on the character's appearance from "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]", includes a pair of "fan blade" accessories that mount on 3 mm posts on his front bumper to represent the scene from that episode in which Wheeljack deploys the rotors against a wall of fire. However, they're more visually based on the [[dominator disk]]s from the episode "[[The Core]]", allowing you to simulate heroic Autobot mind control over any figure that has a 3 mm post.
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===Nonstandard blast effects===
Pretty much the opposite of the previous category, the following accessories are undoubtedly blast effects, but they feature no 3 mm ports or 5 mm posts; instead, these effects often feature unique connections, usually with a singular intended use.

[[File:TF-Cyberverse-2018-Deluxe-Class-Bumblebee.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Cyberverse'' Bumblebee]]
*'''''Cyberverse'' Bumblebee''' (Deluxe Class, 2019)
*'''''Buzzworthy Bumblebee'' Heroes of Cybertron 3-Pack''' (Deluxe Class 3-pack, 2022)
:''Cyberverse'' Deluxe Class [[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)#Deluxe Class|Bumblebee]] includes a dark blue, bladed burst effect with an underside designed to fit over the triangular shape of his included 5 mm [[Stinger (weapon)|Stinger]] accessory. The back of the packing calls this the "Sting Shot" Action Attack. Bumblebee received an unchanged re-release in the ''Buzzworthy Bumblebee'' [[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)#Buzzworthy Deluxe|Heroes of Cybertron 3-Pack]], once again including the blast effect.

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[[File:TF-Cyberverse-Deluxe-Thunderhowl.jpg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Cyberverse'' Thunderhowl]]
*'''''Cyberverse'' Thunderhowl''' (Deluxe Class, 2020)

:''Cyberverse'' Deluxe [[Thunderhowl (Cyberverse)#Toys|Thunderhowl]] comes with a long, light blue effect designed to look like overlapping bolts of lightning. This piece is compatible only with Thunderhowl's sword, simulating it surging with electric power, and his beast mode's tongue, a configuration the box calls his "Lightning Blast".

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[[File:Fireblast SS86 Hot Rod Matrix.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Studio Series'' Autobot Hot Rod's Matrix glow]]
*'''''Studio Series'' Autobot Hot Rod''' (Voyager Class, 2021)
*'''''Shattered Glass Collection'' Rodimus / Sideswipe & Decepticon Whisper''' (Multi-pack, 2023)

:In addition to the two flame effects detailed above, ''Studio Series'' Hot Rod also features a light blue irregular starburst-shaped effect that clips onto the front of his [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Studio Series|Matrix of Leadership]] to recreate his ascension to Rodimus Prime at the climax of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. His villainous redeco in the ''Shattered Glass Collection'', Rodimus, includes a redeco of this effect cast in eeevil red plastic.
:Given that the majority of Matrices across the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' play pattern are roughly the same size and shape, this effect can also be used with the Matrices from toys based on ''Earthrise'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Optimus Prime]] and ''Kingdom'' [[Galvatron (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Galvatron]]... as ''well'' as...

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[[File:Fireblast Kingdom Rodimus Prime Matrix.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Kingdom'' Rodimus Prime's Matrix glow]]
*'''''Kingdom'' Rodimus Prime''' (Commander Class, 2021)

:''Kingdom'' [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Rodimus Prime]] includes a [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#K29|Matrix]] of his own and, in addition to his ''nine'' other blast effects above, also comes with a rich blue Matrix aura with seven points. As with ''Studio Series'' Hot Rod's, this effect is compatible with the other three Matrix molds in the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''. Like Rodimus' smoke effects, this Matrix aura is cast in hard, translucent plastic (probably from the same sprue as his vehicle mode windscreen).

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[[File:Fireblast Collaborative X-Spanse Psylocke.jpeg|right|upright=1|thumb|''Collaborative'' Ultimate X-Spanse's "psychic butterfly"]]
*'''''Collaborative'' Ultimate X-Spanse''' (2021)

:As well as his other X-Men-inspired accessories, Ultimate X-Spanse comes with an energy effect based on the butterfly-shaped aura that manifests around {{w|Psylocke}}'s eyes when she uses her psychic powers. Oddly, this effect is too small to attach to X-Spanse's face in this way, and is instead presented by the instructions and stock images as clipping around the waists of the included [[Wolverine (Marvel)#Collaborative|Wolverine]] and [[Sabretooth#Toys|Sabretooth]] mini-figures.
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==Similar accessories in other lines==
The ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' toylines may have refined the concept, but fire blast effects are far from unique in the toy industry – nor are they new to ''Transformers''! A good handful of ''Transformers'' toys had previously included similar effects pieces and, following the debut of ''Siege'', their numbers continue to grow. The following accessories are incompatible with the standardised system above unless otherwise noted.

===Pre-''Siege''===
====''Masterpiece''/''MPG''====
[[File:Masterpiece-MP14Alert.jpg|thumb|upright=1|''Masterpiece'' Red Alert]]
*'''MP-14 Alert''' (December 15, 2012)
*'''MP-14+ Alert Anime Color Edition''' (September 24, 2016)

:''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Red Alert (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Alert]] includes a spiky, translucent-blue headband that fits over his "horns" and around the back of his head, not unlike earmuffs, to simulate the electric spark damage he received in the episode, "[[Auto Berserk]]". The later, show-accurate redeco [[Red Alert (G1)/toys#MP14Plus|Alert Anime Color Edition]] featured a redeco of the effect in orange. This effect is also compatible with [[Clampdown (G1)#Masterpiece|''Masterpiece'' Clampdown]], due to him reusing Alert's head tooling.

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[[File:MP27-Ironhide.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1|''Masterpiece'' Ironhide]]
*'''MP-27 Ironhide''' (January 30, 2016)
*'''MPG-11 DK-2 Guard''' (2025)

:''Masterpiece'' [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Ironhide]] includes a gallimaufry of weapon and gadget accessories, among them a jetpack as seen in the episode "[[The Immobilizer]]". The jetpack is complemented by two orange flare effects, which can also peg into Ironhide's battle sled when not in use (pointing straight upward, like he just set his sled on fire).
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[[File:MP-30 Ratchet.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1|''Masterpiece'' Ratchet]]
*'''MP-30 Ratchet''' (April 23, 2016)

:One of ''Masterpiece'' [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Ratchet]]'s many accessories is a "repair beam emitter" that plugs into his forearm, complete with a yellow repair beam effect. As with Ironhide, it can also store, pointing straight upward, on his separated battle sled.
:The top of the beam is just slim enough to fit into a 5 mm hole, but not securely and ''certainly'' not on purpose.

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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP33-Inferno.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1|''Masterpiece'' Inferno]]
*'''MP-33 Inferno''' (November 26, 2016)

:''Masterpiece'' [[Inferno (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Inferno]] includes a gushing water-spray effect piece that can plug onto his truck mode ladder nozzle, or onto his wrist barrel blaster, head mounted nozzle, or fire hose accessory in robot mode. This piece is also compatible with Inferno's redeco [[Artfire#Masterpiece|Artfire]], as well as with his retool, [[Grapple (G1)#Masterpiece|Grapple]], who makes use of the same wrist blaster toolings.

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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-36-Megatron.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1|''Masterpiece'' Megatron]]
*'''MP-36 Megatron''' (April 1, 2017)

:Making his second appearance in the ''Masterpiece'' line, [[Megatron (G1)/toys#MP36|Megatron]] includes accessories based on weapons he used in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' in the form of his energy dagger and small laser pistol. The bright pink blade of the dagger can be removed from the hilt and plugged into the barrel of the pistol to act as a laser blast effect.
:This blast effect makes use of a stepped peg (5 mm for dagger configuration, 3 mm to fit into the pistol), meaning it is also compatible with the relevant ports on ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' toys, provided the inside of the port isn't too shallow!

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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-BW-MP-41-Dinobot.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1|''Masterpiece'' Dinobot]]
*'''MP-41 Dinobot (Beast Wars)''' (July 28, 2018)

:''Masterpiece'' [[Dinobot (BW)/toys#Masterpiece|Dinobot]] comes a translucent effect representing his characteristic laser eye beams. The piece attaches by friction to only one of Dinobot's four interchangeable faceplates, the eyes of which are clear to allow the [[Light-emitting diode|LED]] bulb inside his head to [[Light-piping|illuminate the beams]].
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====Other lines====
[[File:TF07-Protoform-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''Transformers'' Protoform Optimus Prime]]
*'''''Transformers'' (2007) Protoform Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe Class, 2007)
*'''''Transformers'' (2007) Protoform Optimus Prime Fusion Cluster Edition''' (Deluxe Class, 2007)
*'''''Transformers'' (2007) Deluxe three-pack''' (multi-pack, 2007)
*'''''Transformers'' (2007) Gold Protoform Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe Class, 2008)
*'''''Lost Age'' Protoform Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe Class, 2014)
*'''''The Last Knight'' Optimus Prime 2-Pack''' (multi-pack, 2017)

:Part of the "movie preview" wave of the [[Transformers (2007 toyline)|first live action film toyline]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Protoform|Protoform Optimus Prime]] transforms into a teardrop-shaped atmospheric entry mode. The included fiery effect piece, cast in translucent orange with the narrow end painted gold, fits to the back of the vehicle mode, creating the illusion of a flaming comet's tail. In robot mode, the narrow end of the effect can fit into Optimus' included gun, though it is too small to fit into 5 mm ports. This toy and its effect piece saw an unchanged re-release as part of a [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#JazzPrimeBrawl3pack|UK exclusive multi-pack]]. Over in Japan, the toy was redecoed as the limited release "[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Fusioncluster|Protoform Optimus Prime Fusion Cluster Edition]]", with the effect cast in blue translucent plastic with a painted gold tip; the later [[Lucky Draw figure|Lucky Draw]] "[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#LuckyDrawProtoform|Gold Protoform Optimus Prime]]" included the piece in unpainted orange, but since only ''five'' of these toys were ever produced, good luck getting hold of one. Later on, the ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)#Movie Advanced Series|Lost Age: Movie Advanced Series]]'' redeco, again named "[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#MAProtoform|Protoform Optimus Prime]]", included the piece in unpainted translucent blue. Later still, the ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (toyline)|The Last Knight]]'' ''Premier Edition'' "[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Premier Edition|Optimus Prime 2-Pack]]" included another redecoed Protoform Optimus, this time with a red translucent flame with orange paint.

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[[File:MovieProtoform Starscream toy.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''Transformers'' Protoform Starscream]]
*'''''Transformers'' (2007) Protoform Starscream''' (Deluxe Class, 2007)
*'''''Transformers'' (2007) Protoform Starscream Fusion Cluster Edition''' (Deluxe Class, 2007)
*'''''Transformers'' (2007) Gold Protoform Starscream''' (Deluxe Class, 2008)

:Released concurrently with the above Optimus, [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys|Protoform Starscream]] transforms into a similar entry mode, and comes with his own orange and painted gold effect piece to represent his comet-like tail. The narrow end of the piece is cross-shaped, allowing it to fit into Starscream's robot mode missile launcher, though it lacks the ability to be used as a projectile. As with Optimus, Starscream saw two Japanese exclusives made in limited quantities: the redeco "[[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Fusioncluster|Protoform Starscream Fusion Cluster Edition]]", with the effect piece decoed in a Bunsen burner-ish translucent blue with gold paint, and the Lucky Draw "[[Starscream (Movie)/toys#LuckyDrawProtoform|Gold Protoform Starscream]]", with an unpainted reddish orange effect; only five samples of the latter toy were made.

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[[File:HM-toy Grimlock.jpg|thumb|upright=1|''Hero Mashers'' Electronic Grimlock]]
*'''''Hero Mashers'' Electronic Grimlock''' (Electronic Action, 2014)

: Part of the first (and only) wave of Electronic Action ''[[Hero Mashers]]'' toys, [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Hero Mashers|Grimlock]] is a non-transforming figure that includes a fire blast effect part that can be slotted into his mouth and illuminated by an LED in his head. The part can be pegged onto any other ''Hero Mashers'' figure.

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[[File:RID15-Warrior-Twinferno.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''Robots in Disguise'' Twinferno]]
*'''''Robots in Disguise'' Twinferno''' (Warrior Class, 2017)

:Warrior Class Twinferno includes two opaque flame blast effect parts that can be pegged into the turbines of his jet mode, or held by his dragon-heads/hands via square pegs that are not compatible with other figures.

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[[File:TF-TLK-Leader-Megatron.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''The Last Knight'' Megatron]]
*'''''The Last Knight'' Megatron''' (Leader Class, 2017)
*'''''Movie The Best'' Megatron''' (Leader Class, February 24, 2018)
:''The Last Knight Premier Edition'' [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#TLKLeader|Leader Class Megatron]] includes two elongated, billowing, orange flame effects. As a pair, they can each be plugged into one of his turbine exhausts in jet mode, or one of them can be used with his wrist-mounted fusion canon in robot mode.
:These pieces make uses of 5 mm pegs, meaning they are compatible with any suitable port! However, like Ultimate X-Spanse's accessories above, these effects feature no 3 mm holes inside their pegs, leaving them incompatible with some of the play pattern.
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===Post-''Siege''===
Though this portion of the list may appear to be a similar length, consider that it took six years for the ''Masterpiece'' toyline to rack up six unique blast effects while, post-''Siege'', the line exceeded that number in less than ''a year''.

====''Masterpiece''/''MPG''====
[[File:Masterpiece-MP-43-Megatron-(Beast-Wars).jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''Masterpiece'' Megatron]]
*'''MP-43 Megatron (Beast Wars)''' (March 30, 2019)

:To represent his robot mode arm cannon, ''Masterpiece'' [[Megatron (BW)/toys#Masterpiece|Megatron]] includes a long, pinkish blast effect that plugs into his ''T. rex'' mode mouth. The effect piece uses an uncommon (unique?) stepped 3 mm/ 4 mm peg that leaves it incompatible with... pretty much anything other than its intended use!

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[[File:MP-18-Plus-Silverstreak.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''Masterpiece'' Streak]]
*'''MP-18+ Streak''' (July 27, 2019)

:This ''Masterpiece'' [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#MP18Plus|Streak]] release in cartoon-accurate colours includes an innovative set of six modular effects pieces: three swirling yellow laser beam pieces of varying length, and three adaptor pieces to actually attach the beams to Streak's weapons, with one to fit over his dispenser rifle, and one for each of his shoulder-mounted cannons. As a result, each of the three beams is completely interchangeable on each of the adaptors, and since it required no new tooling to the base mold, all of these blast effects are compatible with previous [[Template:MPNissanFairladyMold|''Masterpiece'' Streaks and Prowls]]. Additionally, a bonus fourth adaptor is included to allow the beams to interact with ''Masterpiece'' MP-44 Convoy.

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[[File:Masterpiece-MP44-Convoy-V3.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''Masterpiece'' Convoy]]
*'''MP-44 Convoy''' (August 31, 2019)
*'''MP-49 Black Convoy''' (July 25, 2020)
*'''MP-44S Optimus Prime''' (February 2024)
*'''MPG-12 Shattered Glass Optimus Prime''' (2025)
:Among a plethora of other accessories, the third ''Masterpiece'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#35th|Convoy]] comes with not one but two orange blast effects compatible with his Ion Blaster accessory. Why two? Because they are ''also'' compatible with the included [[Jet pack#ConvoyV3|jetpack]] accessory, serving as booster flames. The obligatory redeco [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#MP49|Black Convoy]] includes only one of the blast effects, now cast in translucent teal plastic.
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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-45-Bumblebee.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''Masterpiece'' Bumble]]
*'''MP-45 Cybertron Espionage Bumble (Ver. 2.0)''' (November 23, 2019)

:Proving that big things come in small packages, ''Masterpiece'' [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#MP45|Bumble]]'s small handgun is paired with an extended yellow laser blast effect that's about twice the length of the gun!

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[[File:MP-47 Hound.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''Masterpiece'' Hound]]
*'''MP-47 Hound''' (December 26, 2019)

:''Masterpiece'' [[Hound (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Hound]] includes a conical blue blast effect, compatible with his handheld gun, to represent the projection of one of his famous [[hologram]]s.
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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-19+-Smokescreen-Anime-Color.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''Masterpiece'' Smokescreen]]
*'''MP-19+ Smokescreen''' (January 27, 2020)

:This cartoon-accurate [[Smokescreen (G1)/toys#MP19Plus|redeco of ''Masterpiece'' Smokescreen]] includes a large, grey tinted exhaust smoke effect. It can be separated into two pieces and attached under his feet in robot mode and either on his sides or in the tailpipe in altmode.

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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-51-Arcee.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''Masterpiece'' Arcee]]
*'''MP-51 Arcee''' (December 29, 2020)
*'''MP-55 Nightbird Shadow''' (February 28, 2022)

:''Masterpiece'' [[Arcee (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Arcee]] comes with three yellow blast effects: one short, fiery blast that fits around the barrel of her small pistol; one arcing, electrical beam that plugs into her blaster; and one long stream of laser that plugs into her rifle (though the latter two effects are interchangeable between those weapons). All three blast effects, now in purple, are included with Arcee's redeco [[Nightbird (G1)#Masterpiece|Nightbird Shadow]], though Nightbird doesn't count the rifle among her many accessories.

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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-52-Starscream.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''Masterpiece'' Starscream]]
*'''MP-52 Starscream Ver. 2.0''' (June 26, 2021)
*'''MP-52+ Thundercracker Ver. 2.0''' (September 2021)
*'''MP-52+ Skywarp Ver. 2.0''' (December 2021)

:The updated ''Masterpiece'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#MP52|Starscream]] includes five blast effects, all in Decepticon purple. Three of the effects are intended to fit over the muzzles of Starscream's null rays and the barrel of the included [[Megatron (G1)/toys#MP52|gun mode Megatron accessory]], and they consist of a squat, rounded discharge, an explosive blast with a short tip but a wide spread at the base, and an elongated laser beam. Starscream also comes with two fiery effects to plug into his jet mode exhausts, or under his feet in robot mode, to simulate him flying. All five of Starscream's effects are included with each of his redecos, [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#MP52|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#MP52|Skywarp]], with the sole difference being that their jet exhaust blasts are now in yellow-orange. Fans who purchase all three Seekers will have the opportunity to send away proofs of purchase in exchange for a coronation-themed add-on kit for Starscream, which also includes a pair of jet exhaust blasts, now in bright yellow.

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[[File:MPM-13-Blackout.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''Masterpiece Movie Series'' Blackout]]
*'''MPM-13 Decepticon Blackout & Scorponok''' (2022)

:This ''huge'' toy of [[Blackout (Movie)#Masterpiece Movie Series|Blackout]] comes with two bright orange blast effects; one is a spiky burst of flame, while the other is a small burst with three spearhead-shaped missiles snaking out. Both can be plugged into each of Blackout's weapon accessories interchangeably, as well as a port on the centre of his chest.

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[[File:Transformers-Masterpiece-MP-56-Trailbreaker.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''Masterpiece'' Trailbreaker]]
*'''MP-56 Trailbreaker''' (2022)

:''Masterpiece'' [[Trailbreaker (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Trailbreaker]] includes a spiky, dark yellow blast effect, compatible with either of his wrist nozzles or his shoulder-mounted cannon barrel.

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[[File:Transformers-Masterpiece-MP-57-Skyfire.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1|''Masterpiece'' Skyfire]]
*'''MP-57 Skyfire''' ([[2023]])
*'''MPG-13 Shattered Glass Jetfire''' ([[2025]])

:Another big boy, [[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Skyfire]] comes with two long, orange, flame boost-style blast effects for use with his double-barrelled rifle or his booster pack's thrusters.
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[[File:MPM-14-Bonecrusher.jpg|thumb|upright=1|''Masterpiece Movie Series'' Bonecrusher]]
*'''MPM-14 Bonecrusher''' (2023)

:''Masterpiece Movie Series'' [[Bonecrusher (Movie)#Masterpiece Movie Series|Bonecrusher]] includes six orange flamey effects to clip onto specific parts of his body to recreate the scene where he rollerskates through a bus.

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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-58-Hoist.jpg|thumb|upright=1|''Masterpiece'' Hoist]]
*'''MP-58 Hoist''' (January 25, 2024)

:A heavy retool of Trailbreaker, ''Masterpiece'' [[Hoist (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Hoist]] includes an orange, [[w:Star of Bethlehem|Star of Bethlehem]]-y shaped blast effect that plugs onto his wrist cannon so that its pointy convex side faces forward.

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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-56-Riggorus.jpg|thumb|upright=1|''Masterpiece'' Riggorus]]
*'''MP-56+ Riggorus''' (2024)

:Another retool of Trailbreaker, ''Masterpiece'' [[Riggorus#Toys|Riggorus]] comes with a flat, semi-translucent disc decorated with yellow concentric circles to represent a "force barrier" when attached to his chest. Presumably, it is still compatible with notable forcefield user Trailbreaker.

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[[File:MPM-15-Brawl.jpg|thumb|upright=1|]]
*'''MPM-15 Decepticon Brawl''' (2024)
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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-60-Ginrai.jpg|thumb|upright=1|]]
*'''MP-60 Ginrai''' (2024)
*'''MPG-09 Super Ginrai''' (2024)
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[[File:TF-MPG-10-Lift-Ticket.jpg|thumb|upright=1|''MPG'' Lift-Ticket]]
*'''MPG-10 Lift-Ticket''' (2025)
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====''R.E.D. [Robot Enhanced Design]''====
[[File:TF-R.E.D.-Arcee.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''R.E.D.'' Arcee]]
*'''Arcee''' (2021)
:Released as part of the ''[[Transformers R.E.D.]]'' series, this toy of [[Arcee (WFC)#R.E.D. .5BRobot Enhanced Design.5D|Arcee]] includes her characteristic forearm-mounted blades as accessories; one blast effect is supplied for each blade, sliding onto its sharp end to represent a slash attack. Arcee's stock CG renders show her slash effects variously in translucent purple or the same colour as her blue paint applications, but the toy as released has them in unpainted grey.
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[[File:TF-R.E.D.-Cheetor.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''R.E.D.'' Cheetor]]
*'''Cheetor''' (2021)
*'''Galavtron''' (2022)

:''R.E.D.'' [[Cheetor (BW)/toys#R.E.D. .5BRobot Enhanced Design.5D|Cheetor]] comes with two different blast effects that clip into and around the barrel of his handheld blaster. Both effects are purple in colour; one is a long beam with a small blast at the base, while the other features a much larger discharge at the base and a more pointed tip. Both of these effects were later included with ''R.E.D.'' [[Galvatron (G1)/toys#R.E.D. .5BRobot Enhanced Design.5D|Galvatron]] in a more pinkish shade, for use with his [[particle cannon]].

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[[File:TF-R.E.D.-Bumblebee.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''R.E.D.'' Bumblebee]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2021)

:''R.E.D.'' [[Bumblebee (G1)/merchandise#R.E.D. .5BRobot Enhanced Design.5D|Bumblebee]] includes a pair of yellow, billowing laser blast effects to insert into the barrel of his blaster; one is long and thin, and the other is, like Bumblebee himself, short and squat.

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[[File:TF-R.E.D.-Coronation-Starscream.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''R.E.D.'' Coronation Starscream]]
*'''Coronation Starscream''' (2021)
*'''Shockwave''' (2022)
*'''Thundercracker''' (2022)

:''R.E.D.'' [[Starscream (G1)/merchandise#R.E.D. .5BRobot Enhanced Design.5D|Coronation Starscream]] comes with two blast effects to peg onto his null rays. Purpley-pink in colour, these effects are chaotically explosive starting at the base, ending with a wispy tip. A pair of hotter pink blast effects were included with ''R.E.D.'' [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#R.E.D. .5BRobot Enhanced Design.5D|Shockwave]], proving compatible with either of his interchangeable gun hand barrels or the included pistol mode [[Megatron (G1)/merchandise#REDshockwave|Megatron]] accessory. Starscream's redeco [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#R.E.D. .5BRobot Enhanced Design.5D|Thundercracker]] also included both blast effects, now in purple.
:These effects make use of ports that are ''just about'' 3 mm, meaning they are partially compatible with ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' and ''Generations'' toys!

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[[File:R.E.D. Prime Megatron toy.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''R.E.D.'' Megatron]]
*'''Megatron''' (2022)

:This ''R.E.D.'' figure of [[Megatron (WFC)/toys#R.E.D. .5BRobot Enhanced Design.5D|''Prime'' Megatron]] comes with two blast effects, one for each of his characteristic weapons: his blade has a criss-cross of arching, deep purple, [[Dark Energon]]-style electricity that slides over the business end, and his [[fusion cannon]] has a long and girthy blaster discharge in the same colour.
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====''BotBots''====
[[File:BotBots-toy PewPewPew.jpg|upright=1|right|thumb|''BotBots'' Pew Pew Pew]]
*'''Gamer Geeks''' (5-pack, 2023)
*'''Outta Controller''' (vehicle pack, 2023)

:Part of the sixth series of ''[[Transformers: BotBots (toyline)|BotBots]]'', [[Pew Pew Pew]] transforms from a tiny robot into a blaster pistol/{{w|light gun}} with [[Megatron (G1)/toys#The Transformers|G1 Megatron]] theming. He comes with a ''tiny'' little pink blast effect in a similar shape to the one that comes with ''Siege'' Blowpipe, which can plug into his gunbarrel or be held in one of his little hands. The attachment peg is 3mm wide, which makes it compatible with many other toys.

: Pew Pew Pew was released in a [[Gamer Geeks]] 5-pack, and also packaged in with the [[Outta Controller#Toys|Outta Controller]] vehicle.
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===See also===
Many, ''many'' toys of [[missile]]s are shaped like plumes or flame or lasers blasts; even putting aside that assembling a list of every missile would be a fool's errand, missiles are excluded from counting as blast effects as they serve a different purpose: a launching projectile [[play pattern]]. Also excluded are effect-like pieces that are integral to the operation of the toy; for example, the ''Earthrise'' [[Quintesson Judge#Toys|Quintesson Judge]] would not be able to stand up without its "levitation beam" piece. Remember, kids: the moment a part serves more of a function than merely being cosmetic, it is no longer a fire blast effect.

==Notes==
* Though comparatively new to ''Transformers'', this is not the first time one of [[Hasbro]]'s action figure lines have used similar effects accessories. The [[2002]] ''[[fandom:starwars:Star Wars Saga|Star Wars Saga]]'' series in particular made ample use of clear-plastic effects parts. Sadly, those toys use much thinner pegs, making them incompatible with most ''Transformers'' toys.

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Pax Cybertronia (issue)

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Omegatron: /* Continuity notes */ Covered below

{{disambig2|the ''[[The Transformers (IDW)|The Transformers]]'' issue|the peace accord from ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]''|Pax Cybertronia}}
{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=''[[The Transformers (IDW)|The Transformers]]'' #31
|prev=Chaos Part Four: Genesis
|next=Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime
|caption=
|image=TFvol1 31cvrB.jpg
|title="Pax Cybertronia"
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[December 7]], [[2011]]
|coverdate=December 2011
|story by=[[Mike Costa]]
|art by=[[Casey Coller]]
|colors by=[[Joana Lafuente]]
|letters by=[[Neil Uyetake]]
|associate editor=[[Carlos Guzman]]
|editor=[[John Barber]]
|continuity=[[2005 IDW continuity]]
|chronology=[[2005 IDW timeline|Far future]]
}}
'''In a new era of peace, Ironhide and Alpha Trion reflect on what has happened...'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Pax Cybertonia Autobot Youths.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Skip to the [[Simon Furman|good part]].]]
On [[Gorlam Prime]], it is a time of peace, and [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] entertains a group of three young [[Autobot]]s with tales of times past. The four speak of [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]]'s [[Megatron Origin issue 4|insurrection]], the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]' [[Spotlight: Shockwave|attack]] on [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]], and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]]'s [[Escalation issue 5|defeat]] by Megatron. The stories are cut short when the fireworks for the upcoming [[Remembrance Night]] ceremony begins and Alpha suggests the youths go home. One youth expresses preference for Alpha's stories over the [[media-tron]]—his experiences are much more '''real'''. This comment prompts an arriving [[Ironhide (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ironhide]] to rebuff Alpha's supposed presence at events during the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]]. The young Autobots are in awe of the veteran and, after a question, leave for their homes to prepare for the ceremony.

At the ceremony, the speaker establishes that it has been fifteen million years since the end of the [[Unification War]]s and the [[Great Years]]. He introduces the key speaker for the event, the last veteran at Gorlam, Ironhide. Ironhide makes his speech, noting that the prosperous time they live in is what the Autobots fought for all those years. He recalls the [[Stormbringer issue 4|fight]] against [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]], Megatron's [[All Hail Megatron issue 1|invasion]] of [[Earth]], his own [[Any Old Iron|fight]] against the [[Insecticon swarm]], and Megatron's [[Chaos Part Four: Genesis|battle]] against the [[D-Void]]. Ironhide finishes his speech, expressing that his time has passed and leaves the hall.

[[File:Pax Cybertonia Alpha Trion.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|Back in my day...]]

Outside, Alpha Trion finds Ironhide looking at the stars. Alpha asks the old [[Transformer]] if he believes Megatron is still out there and comforts him with the thought that Optimus Prime, too, is still out there. Ironhide doesn't understand why he is being honored—he did little else but punch [[Decepticon]]s. Now, he's just a relic of a bygone era who did nothing to build the current civilization. Alpha Trion tells him that the future is based on the past, and that Ironhide's contributions are vital to understanding what is to come. One of the three young Autobots comes up to the pair and asks Ironhide what would happen if Megatron returned. When Ironhide points out that they stopped him before and can stop him again, the young one asks him to tell him the story of Megatron's defeat.
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
(Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks.) 
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Autobot youth]]s (1–3)
* [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] (4)
* ''[[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]'' (12)
* ''[[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]]'' (15)
* ''[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]]'' (16)
* ''[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]]'' (17)
* ''[[Grimlock (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Grimlock]]'' (19)
* ''[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]]'' (20)
* ''[[Slag (G1)|Slag]]'' (21)
* [[Ironhide (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ironhide]] (22)
* [[Remembrance Night MC]] (23)
|c2=
* ''[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]'' (5)
* ''[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]]'' (6)
* ''[[Soundwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Soundwave]] (7)
* ''[[Ravage (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ravage]]'' (8)
* ''[[Skywarp (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Skywarp]]'' (9)
* ''[[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]]'' (10)
* ''[[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]]'' (11)
* ''[[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]]'' (13)
* ''[[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]]'' (14)
* ''[[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]]'' (18)
* ''[[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]'' (24)
* ''[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]'' (25)
* ''[[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]]'' (26)
* ''[[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]]'' (27)
* ''[[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]]'' (28)
* ''[[Thundercracker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Thundercracker]]'' (29)
* ''[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]]'' (30)
* ''[[Insecticon swarm]]'' (31)
|c4=
* ''[[D-Void]]/[[Deceptigod]]'' (32)
}}

==Quotes==

"If Prime were here, he'd know what to say. Over the years, I got to thinkin'. What Prime had... what made him great, it wasn't that he was so strong — even though he was — it was that he could ''talk''... and what he said, it made you feel as strong as he was. I really do wish Prime was here right now."
:—'''Ironhide''' addresses the audience

"What "everything"? I didn't build any of this. All these beautiful things, all these 'bots running around... I didn't have nothin' to do with that. It's been millions of years, Trion. Honor me nothin'. All I ever did was punch guys in the face." 
"I remember." 
"''These'' are the Great Years. ''All of this.'' How do they not ''see'' that?"
:—'''Ironhide''' and '''Alpha Trion''' take in the future

"The story never ends, Ironhide. It just changes into something else."
:—'''Alpha Trion''' has heard of reboots

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
* What has happened to Cybertron and why are they on Gorlam Prime? Mike Costa tells us this question is "very interesting, I guess you're going to have to keep reading the comic!"<ref name="costa interview"/> However, this detail was never expounded on.
* At least one of the future Autobots seems to have multiple [[alternate mode]]s; the idea Ironhide only has ''one'' is fascinating to the three of them.
* Alpha Trion is deliberately drawn as younger than Ironhide, to show that Trion is constantly changing but Ironhide remains the same. Originally, it was going to be Bumblebee as the last veteran, but it was then decided to use Ironhide, as he had an established history with Alpha Trion.<ref name="costa interview"/>
* Later issues present this story as a vision that both Ironhide and [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] experience at the moment of Cybertron's reformatting. This revelation calls into question the fallibility of this glimpse forwards; not long afterwards, Gorlam Prime is entirely ''destroyed'' in [[Homecoming (IDW)|''Robots in Disguise'' #19]], which nullifies the setting of this story. Similarly, Alpha voices his fears that Megatron may one day return—though in the following years of publication, Megatron becomes an Autobot, renounces violence entirely, and takes up a new role as a pacifistic civil rights advocate in the [[Functionist Universe]]... and then Alpha Trion himself dies fairly unambiguously in ''[[Optimus Prime (comic)|Optimus Prime]]'' [[The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|#16]]. In [[You, Me, and the Universe|issue #41]] of ''Robots in Disguise'', Ironhide once again brings up his vision, ''this'' time coming to the conclusion that it was never an accurate glimpse of a definite future, but merely an idealized vision of the future Ironhide ''wanted'' to see. Ultimately, the [[2005 IDW continuity]] never worked in this sequence of events, with Ironhide ''himself'' dying in ''Unicron'' [[Ceremony|#6]], though the [[Post|final issue]] set in the continuity ''did'' feature [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|an elderly Transformer]] telling tales of the past to a [[Sideswipe (G2)|new]] [[Slicer (G1)|generation]] of Cybertronians on a [[Earth|planet colonized by the Transformers]] following the loss of Cybertron... so make of ''that'' what you will.

===Transformers references===
* The Young Autobots sport the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'' Autobot [[insignia]].
* Statues of [[Bumblebee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Bumblebee]], [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]], [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rodimus]], and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]] adorn the scenery of Gorlam Prime in this issue.
* The issue's title is from the [[Pax Cybertronia]] established in ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', a reference to "{{w|Pax Romana}}", a term for an era of peace and stability in the Roman Empire.
* Alpha Trion reminds Ironhide how [[Furmanism|it never ends]].

===Errors===
* On page 4, Megatron is seen with his Decepticon symbol neckchain. However, in ''Megatron Origin'', when he was about to give his deathblow to Sentinel Prime, he never wore this chain. Casey Coller admitted on his deviantArt page that he added it in to make the scene look cool.

===Trivia===
* This was deliberately written as a potential "last issue" for the whole of ''The Transformers''; it was also a homage to [[Peter David]]'s last issue of ''[[Hulk|The Incredible Hulk]]'', where an older Rick Jones was interviewed about the Hulk, and a ''Starman'' issue where the immortal Shade was telling stories to children a million years in the future (with Alpha Trion always meant to be the Shade).<ref name="costa interview">[http://moonbase2.libsyn.com/webpage/the-underbase-reviews-ongoing-31 Moonbase 2 interview with Mike Costa ("Special Guest")]</ref>
* This issue was released as part of IDW's Photo Cover Month, which also includes "[[Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime]]".

===Covers (3)===
* '''Cover A:''' ''Revoltech'' Megatron toy; photo by [[Rik Alvarez]]
* '''Cover B:''' Close-up of Ironhide staring at the stars; art by [[Casey Coller]] and colors by [[Joana Lafuente]]
* '''Cover RI:''' ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' poster homage, with Optimus Prime, Rodimus, Bumblebee, Ironhide, and Prowl replacing Ultra Magnus, Kup, Springer, Arcee, and Blurr respectively; art by [[Trevor Hutchison]]

<gallery>
File:TFvol1 31cvrA.jpg|I'll take [[articulation]] over Transforrming!
File:TFvol1 31cvrB.jpg|Ironhide has become Kup.
File:TFvol1 31cvrRI.jpg|''TF:TM'' homage #113.
</gallery>

===Advertisements===
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===Collections===
* '''''The Transformers, Volume 7: Chaos''''' ([[March 14]], [[2012]]) ISBN 1613771401 / ISBN 978-1613771402
** Collects ''The Transformers'' (2009) issues #24, #26, #28, & #30–31.
** Bonus material includes art from most covers, plus B&W art sketches from [[Livio Ramondelli]].
** Trade paperback format.

* '''''[[The Transformers: The IDW Collection Volume Eight]]''''' ([[May 7]], [[2013]]) ISBN 1613776276 / ISBN 978-1613776278
** Collects ''[[The Transformers: Heart of Darkness|Heart of Darkness]]'' issues [[Heart of Darkness issue 1|#1]]–[[Heart of Darkness issue 4|4]], and ''The Transformers'' (2009) issues #19–31.
** Hardcover format.

* '''''[[Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection]]: Volume 52: The Death of Optimus Prime''''' ([[December 13]], [[2017]])
** Collects ''The Transformers'' (2009) issues #24, #26, #28, & #30–31, and ''[[Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime|The Death of Optimus Prime]]''.
** Bonus content includes an interview with [[James Roberts]] on how he worked his way up to become an ongoing writer, character design sketches by [[Livio Ramondelli]], a cover gallery and an intro by [[Simon Furman]].
** Hardcover format.

* '''''The Transformers: Chaos''''' ([[October 31]], [[2018]]) ISBN 978-4-86491-400-0
** Collects ''The Transformers'' (2009) issues #24, #26, #28, & #30–31.
** Japanese reprint. Trade paperback format.

<gallery>
File:IDW ongoing tpb7.jpg|'''''Volume 7: Chaos''''' – cover art by [[Livio Ramondelli]]
File:IDWCollection8.jpg|'''''The IDW Collection Volume Eight''''' – cover art by [[E. J. Su]]
File:DefinitiveG1Collection v52.jpg|'''''The Definitive G1 Collection: Volume 52: The Death of Optimus Prime''''' – cover art by [[Don Figueroa]] (Prime) and Livio Ramondelli (retro)
File:Villagebooks ongoing vol5 cover.jpg|'''''Chaos''''' – cover art by [[Nagi Miyako]]
</gallery>

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:IDW The Transformers issues]]

The Face of the Nijika

2024-12-11T12:17:15Z

Omegatron:

{{episode
|series=G1toon
|ep=92
|series2=2010
|ep2=27
|prev2=Call of the Primitives
|next2=The Burden Hardest to Bear
|image=FaceOfNijika Katsu Don Nijika.jpg
|caption=Usually, women don't need help putting their face on.
|title="The Face of the Nijika"
|season=3
|season ep=27
|production code=700-113
|airdate=[[November 20]], 1986
|written by=[[Mary Skrenes]] and [[Steve Skeates]]
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|animation studio=[[AKOM]], [[Sam Young Studio]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
|video=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVrI8N20gpE
|videosite=YouTube
}}

'''The Autobots discover a race of aliens who have also experienced persecution from the Quintessons.'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:FaceOfNijika Galvatron lock.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Little pig, little pig, let me in!]]

[[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]], who is carrying [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]], [[Blurr (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blurr]], and [[Perceptor (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Perceptor]], detects a disturbance nearby and discovers [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] bashing on some strange disk. They also detect a [[Quintesson]] [[Quintesson spacecraft|ship]] heading for that same location. Perceptor speculates that the Quintessons don't want Galvatron meddling with the disk, so Rodimus decides to meddle with the [[Decepticon]]s and the Quintessons.

At the disk, Galvatron continues bashing away, taking a moment to bash [[Cyclonus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cyclonus]] when he warns the [[Decepticon leader]] that the Quintessons are approaching. The Quintessons fire at Galvatron and are thankful that the [[quadrant lock]] is not damaged. However, the [[Autobot]]s then arrive. The Quintessons refuse to let the Autobots learn anything about the lock...unless, say, they learn from the other side. Opening the lock, the Quintessons drive their ship through, taking Rodimus, Magnus, Blurr, and Perceptor with them. Unwilling to let the Autobots learn its secrets, Galvatron throws Cyclonus at them so he is also drawn through the lock, which closes. Unfortunately for the Quintessons, their [[isolator key]] has been damaged, and it is the only thing that can open the quadrant lock. However, Perceptor has a [[universal emulator]], which could serve as a replacement.

Falling into the gravity well of the nearby planet [[Zamojin (planet)|Zamojin]], Perceptor announces that he is suffering from [[transformation]] [[Transformation paralysis|paralysis]], and is stuck in [[Alternate mode|microscope mode]]. However, the other Autobots do not respond. On the planet, members of a primitive, humanoid civilization see their descent. One man declares that the "[[Quintesson|devils]]" have returned, leading an angry mob out of [[Tozin|their city]]. However, a blacksmith outside the city sees them and goes to investigate astride his mount, [[Bruta Lo]], and recovers Perceptor. Meanwhile, the Autobots are not doing so well after their crash-landing. Rodimus and Magnus hit the trees, which are as hard as rocks, while Blurr hit an actual rock and is so injured he cannot walk. Rodimus tells him to lean on "fearless [[Prime (rank)|leader]]", while Magnus wonders where Perceptor crashed.

At his hut, the blacksmith removes Perceptor's [[insignia]], which also contains his universal emulator. Having tracked Perceptor's descent, the Quintessons dispatch a pair of [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]] to retrieve the scientist, but someone follows them. The blacksmith places Perceptor's insignia on a small, female robot called [[Nijika]]. The Sharkticons arrive, but the blacksmith fights them off, damaging their armor with his bare hands. (Holy [[Slag (slang)|slag]]!) Meanwhile, Perceptor, having taken control of Nijika, asks the blacksmith, named [[Katsu Don]], what is going on. Perceptor learns that the [[Zamojin (species)|Zamojin]] were once advanced and that they had developed interstellar travel, protected by the guardian [[Kodu Ri]]. Katsu Don's ancestor, [[Niko Don]], built Nijika as an exploration drone, hoping to make contact with other races. However, the Quintessons attacked, damaging Kodu Ri and Nijika, then sealed them with the quadrant lock, which blacked out the stars. The Zamojin were reduced from technologically advanced to primitive within a very short amount of time and have been that way since. Perceptor concludes that something about the Zamojin terrified the Quintessons so much that they locked them in this part of space, and now he and Katsu Don need to warn the latter's people that the Quintessons have returned.

[[File:FaceOfNijika Magnus Rodimus.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|"Damn it, I can't find any sign of the Quints, Rodimus!" "Uh, Magnus...never mind."]]

Elsewhere, Rodimus, Magnus, and Blurr are moving, but the injured Blurr is slowing them down. (That's a turnaround.) Blurr tells them to leave him and find Perceptor, as only he can repair Blurr. Though not happy, they agree. This proves a mistake, for moments later, a band of warriors finds Blurr. On the Quintesson ship, the Quintessons are debating what to do. One of them will have to go to the surface, but if a single Zamojin damaged two Sharkticons, [[Furmanism|what chance do they have?]] Cyclonus appears and offers them a deal: Give Galvatron the secrets of the quadrant lock, and he will go with one of them to retrieve Perceptor. Looking for Perceptor, Rodimus and Magnus are attacked by a group of warriors but are able to drive them off. They locate Perceptor's body, but without the emulator, he is offline. Rodimus and Magnus decide to search the city.

[[File:FaceOfNijika Blurr dangling.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Now, now, now what did I do to this time? This is not right, not right, not right I tell you! Let me down, down, down from here! I’ve heard of hanging around, but is ridiculous! Not that I mind hanging, hanging is great, great, great fun, but I never, never, never meant it literally! Hello? Help me, help me, help me anyone? I’ve done nothing, nothing, nothing to deserve this!!]]

At the city of [[Tozin]], the Zamojin are preparing to execute Blurr, dangling him over a molten pit. Just to nudge things along, Cyclonus shouts out "Burn him now!", inciting the Zamojin to lower him in. However, the [[Zamojin Empress]] commands them to stop. She reveals Perceptor/Nijika, who tries to explain the situation. However, the Quintesson shouts that the doll is possessed, putting the crowd back into a mob mentality. Realizing that the Quintesson has just endangered the tool they've worked so hard to get, Cyclonus grabs Perceptor and orders the Quintesson to bring their ship.

[[File:FaceOfNijika Quintesson Nijika.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Not now, I'm watching the game!]]

Katsu Don grabs Cyclonus's legs as he flies off, and is carried into the Quintesson ship, where the remaining Quintesson traps him with some electrified headgear. The Quintesson orders Perceptor to hand over the emulator, or Katsu Don will die. Perceptor complies, while the other Quintesson shoots Blurr's rope, causing him to fall into the molten liquid...which he describes as a nice soak that lets him repair the bent strut that's been crippling him. Transforming, Blurr launches out of the pit and onto the Quintesson ship, with Rodimus and Magnus following. Blurr frees Katsu Don, while Magnus takes on Cyclonus. Rodimus throws Katsu Don out, while Blurr grabs the emulator and Magnus takes Cyclonus, who follows after the Quintessons.

The Zamojin Empress fears what the Quintessons will take this time, but Perceptor, now in his real body, says that the Quintessons are about to give the Zamojin something. The Quintesson ship passes through the quadrant lock...and it fades, revealing the stars. With the Quintessons unable to reseal the quadrant lock, the Autobots realize the Zamojin's technology is telepathic in nature and powered by starlight. The intelligence of the Zamojin advances rapidly, and they repair Kodu Ri. As Sky Lynx lands, Perceptor asks Katsu Don if he will continue his ancestor's research. Katsu Don vows that Perceptor will meet Nijika again...out among the stars.
{{-}}

==Featured Characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] (1)
* [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] (2)
* [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] (3)
* [[Blurr (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blurr]] (4)
* [[Perceptor (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Perceptor]] (5)

|c2=
* [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] (6)
* [[Cyclonus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cyclonus]] (7)

|c4=
* [[Quintesson]]s (8)
* [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]] (9)
* [[Allicon]] (10)
* [[Katsu Don]] (11)
* [[Zamojin Empress]] (past) (12)
* [[Niko Don]] (13)
* [[Bruta Lo]] (14)
* [[Nijika]] (15)
* [[Zamojin Empress]] (present) (16)
}}

==Notable quotes==
"Put yourself in idle, Blurr."
:—'''Rodimus Prime''', saying what we're all thinking.

"It's mine! I found it! Don't let them steal it!" 
"Mighty Galvatron, you-" 
"STOP THEM!" ''[throws Cyclonus]''
:—'''Galvatron''' demonstrates his leadership skills on '''Cyclonus'''.

"Great, so leave, beat it, amscray, split, depart, vamos, evaporate, move it, sayonara, do svidanya, goodbye! ...hel-lo?"
:—'''Blurr''' encourages Rodimus and Magnus to get moving... then meets some of the locals.

"We will be back, demons! You will not live to see the dawn!!!" 
"Yeah yeah, sure sure."
:— the '''Zamojins''' just don't impress '''Rodimus''' at all.

'''Cyclonus''': Burn him now! 
'''Quintesson''': Be silent! Don't call attention to us! 
'''Cyclonus''': VEEENNGEANNNNCE NOOOOOOOW! 
''[The crowd starts to cheer]'' 
'''Female Zamojin''': Yes! The devils must pay! They stole the stars in the sky! 
'''Male Zamojin''': They stole the light from our minds! 
'''Cyclonus''': Hahahaha. You've never understood mob psychology, have you?
:—Cyclonus must be an {{w|Bedivere#Modern depictions|Bedivere}} on dealing with witches.

"Hood in place, wheels in place, bumpers in place, engine hot, I'M OUTTA HERE!"
:—'''Blurr''' feels much better after a bath. Also, he seems to think he has wheels?

==Notes==
===Production information===
* Final script: 19th September 1986

===Continuity notes===
[[File:FaceOfNijika Autobots exit Sky-Lynx.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|URRRRRRRRRP]]
* Sky Lynx transforms to robot mode and the Autobots exit by flying out through his mouth!
* Perceptor is equipped with a "[[universal emulator]]", which can, at the very least, mimic the function of the Quintessons' isolator key. It is presumably responsible for letting Perceptor take control of the Nijika construct and maybe the reason why his Autobot insignia morphs into Nijika's face.
* Perceptor reacts to his predicament with a "What in the name of [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]]?"
* Blurr speaks at more-or-less normal speed several times in this episode.
* This episode marks the last appearance of Perceptor in the western cartoon.
* The "laughing" Quintesson face's voice is especially nasal and humorously over exaggerated in this episode.

===Real-world references===
[[File:FaceOfNijika Katsu don.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
[[File:FaceOfNijika Kodu Ri.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
* The character and set designs of the Zamojins are loosely based on some aspects of ancient East Asian culture - from their clothes, architecture, and [[Buddha]]-esque guardian to their harsh mountain climate. Katsu Don is generically patterned after a Chinese warrior, whereas Nijika's dress and facepaint closely resemble a Japanese [[w:Geisha|geisha]], complete with hand fan.
* Some of their nomenclature seems to be closely related to the Japanese language as well.
**The name "Zamojin" appears to use the Japanese suffix ''"-jin,"'' meaning "people or person from (x)."
**"Katsu Don" may or may not be a play on the Japanese pork-cutlet and rice dish [[w:Katsudon|katsudon]].
**Nijika is an actual Japanese girls' name. It can be written like a dozen different ways.
* ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' references:
** [[TIE Fighter]] roar as Blurr flies up to the Quintesson ship.

===Animation and technical errors===
* An AKOM episode, so watch for color model oddities, including:
**Rodimus and Galvatron are both consistently colored using outdated color models; Rodimus's shoulder indentations are red instead of white, his pelvis-windshield details are white instead of light burgundy, and his gun is red instead of black, while Galvatron has pale purple "underpants."
** The inside of Magnus' mouth is red.
** The inside of Blurr's mouth is blue.
** Cyclonus has purple eyebrows and a purple neck.
* In the first shot of Sky Lynx's display, the bottom of the image is clipped over the frame of the screen.
[[File:FaceNijika-Rodimustruck.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
* Coloring errors:
** Perceptor's face is light blue instead of light gray as Blurr reacts to Galvatron's first appearance.
** When the Quintesson ship arrives in the flashback, its front section is grey instead of green.
** After the flashback, when Nijika walks towards Bruta Lo, her face is all white.
** When Rodimus and Magnus halt before the crowd of natives, Rodimus's roof is colored windshield-blue, and his windshield is colored red.
** "You will not live to see the dawn!!" - Rodimus's side windows are orange and yellow.
** More than once, Rodimus's burgundy is so dark it's verging on black.
* Cyclonus mouths Galvatron's first "GRRAHHH!" just before Galvatron slugs him.
* Galvatron is supposed to tumble away after being shot by the Quintesson ship, but freezes on the edge of the screen.
* When he exits Sky Lynx, Magnus is missing his Autobot logo.
* The red squares on Galvatron's shoulders are missing in many shots.
* Sky Lynx gets a non-standard laser sound as he blasts Galvatron and the Quintesson ship.
* "Except, perhaps, from the inside!" - the Quintesson rotates his head as if to bring the speaking face into view, but none of his mouths move.
* When the Quintesson ship moves past the Autobots into the quadrant lock, it seems mighty small.
* Magnus explains for the viewer that the lock passageway is shrinking... but the animation doesn't actually show it. In fact it's not clear at all why the Quintessons think the passage would be harmful to them at all.
* The first Zamojin to speak sees the falling Autobots and declares "Behold! Fire in the sky!" But the Autobots aren't showing any heating or burning effects at all - in fact they're floating rather gently to the ground.
* There is, somewhat obviously, no room in Nijika's head for the universal emulator to fit — but it does anyway. The universal emulator is elongated horizontally when first removed from Perceptor, but later shots show it as just a few inches thick.
* During the flashback to the original Nijika's launch, the stars show through the heads of the crowd as they cheer her along.
* Despite the culminating point of Katsu Don's story being the disappearance of the stars after the quadrant lock is activated... they don't actually disappear.
* Where's the trailer go?:
** Rodimus's trailer slides out of the frame when he transforms while rolling out-of-control down the hill. At the bottom, when he changes back, it's already down there waiting for him! It just rolls in from off-screen.
[[File:FaceOfNijika Cyclonus Quintesson crowd.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|See, we didn't need those fake mustaches after all!]]
* A crowd of Zamojins gathered to watch Blurr's execution is apparently supposed to feature some of their number costumed as the hated five-faced demons and their robot servants, thus explaining why Cyclonus and the Quintesson can just stand around in the middle of the crowd that hates their kind. The animation, however, almost totally fails to convey this, having the Cybertronians tower over the largely un-costumed Zamojins, who are mostly just wearing some little face masks. Furthermore, the animation mistakenly colors the masks flesh-toned, almost completely hiding the fact they're wearing them at all.
* The crowd member's line "they stole the light from our minds" is delivered in Perceptor/Nijika's voice.
* "Your life is over, Autobot!" yells Cyclonus - but rather than shooting at Blurr, he just stands there for a moment, making some strange, faint grumbling noises. Then finally Magnus tackles him.
* Cyclonus is missing the orange shape below his chest when Magnus tackles him, and when flying back towards the Quintesson ship.
* Sky Lynx is tiny when he lands on the planet, only a tad taller than the other Autobots.

===Continuity errors===
[[File:FaceOfNijika Quint ship over Zamojin.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Is it a Quintesson ship? Or is it a ship belonging to the We Fly Ships That Look Just Like Quintesson Ships civilization?]]
* "Perceptor, is that a Quintesson ship?" Just how Rodimus Prime could mistake the Quintessons' unique corkscrew ships for anything else is a bit hard to understand.
* Flying Autobots:
** Sky Lynx advises his crew to "don your [[Jet pack|rocket pack]]s", and the Autobots subsequently fly out into space - however, they aren't shown actually wearing any rocket packs. Tiny invisible micro-rocket-pack technology, or pure animation oversight? [[Personal canon|You be the judge!]]
* A Quintesson guard (of the [[Allicon]] variety) briefly appears on their ship after everyone travels through the quadrant lock into Zamojin space, but is only visible from the waist down in the background. It wasn't there before, and doesn't appear anywhere else in the episode.
* It's an amazing coincidence that the part the Quintessons need happens to be inside Perceptor, ''and'' that it's located right behind the one part the blacksmith removes, ''and'' that it just happens to fit Nijika's face.
* If the quadrant lock blocks out the light from stars, shouldn't the planet be pitch black during the episode? And why are there stars on the Zamojin side of the lock as it closes behind the Autobots and Cyclonus, and on the Quintesson viewscreen as they discover the survival of their enemies?
* Rodimus, Magnus and Blurr all decide that the injured Blurr should be left behind rather than carried along in robot mode. Doesn't anyone remember that Magnus turns into a car carrier?
** They finally ''do'' use Magnus's carrier mode to transport Perceptor's inert form.
* Rodimus and Magnus apparently don't hear Blurr being jumped by a group of angry Zamojin, even though they left him 5 seconds ago.
* In a subtle bit of storytelling, the Quintesson picks up on Cyclonus's "mob psychology" notions and riles the crowd up against Perceptor/Nijika. Cyclonus immediately realizes that this is a huge mistake, because it endangers the universal emulator that they've gone through so much trouble to recover. However, we're never actually shown that the two ersatz allies have figured out that Nijika has the emulator, making Cyclonus's reaction a bit confusing.
* As noted above, Blurr mentions having wheels in vehicle mode... despite clearly being a wheel-less hovercar. Bumblebee had the same problem [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|many episodes ago]].
* It's not clear ''why'' the quadrant lock ceases to function. Did Perceptor work some sabotage? Could it not be re-activated without the emulator? Compounding the problem, the Quintesson ship isn't actually shown passing back through the lock - the ship simply fades off into the distance, and then the stars appear.

===Trivia===
* Internal Marvel/Sunbow documentation shows that this episode is ''supposed'' to be titled merely "The Face of Nijika," but an extra "the" wound up in the on-screen title that's never been corrected.
* This episode was originally assigned the production code 700-109, but the script was subsequently "put on hold" by Hasbro for unknown reasons. When later revised and approved, the episode was given a new production code of 700–113, according to a piece of internal correspondence from Marvel Productions.<ref>[https://twitter.com/MSipher/status/1107399668361650176 Marvel Productions internal correspondence, posted by MSipher on Twitter]</ref>
* The entrance to Kodu Ri is shown in a glowing pattern similar to that of [[Oracle (G1)|The Oracle]] from [[Call of the Primitives|a few episodes ago]].

===Foreign localization===
'''French'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Le visage du Nijika'''" ("The Face of the Nijika")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?
::*This episode has been dubbed (or maybe re-dubbed) in the 2000s by a brand new team (including voice actors from the ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]]'' dubbing team like [[Bruno Magne]] and [[Frédéric Cerdal]]). This was probably on demand from [[Déclic Images]] for their DVD collection. That may be because the original dub was lost or not usable. It is unknown if a dubbing of this episode was made in the 1980s and if so, where it is.
::*Despite this new dub being made in France, all the robots are called by their Canadian French names. However, the Sharkticons are called by their original name.
::*In the middle of the episode, another voice actor takes the place of Bruno Magne as Cyclonus. The voice is pitched to make a very deep voice. Despite Magne taking the character back for the rest of the episode, the pitch remains until the end.

'''German'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Nijika, die Himmelstänzerin'''" ("Nijika, the Heaven-dancer")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Italian'''
:*''Title (first dub):'' "'''La danzatrice celestiale'''" ("The Celestial Dancer")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?
::*Once, Perceptor weirdly speaks in rhymes.
:*''Title (second dub):'' "'''Il volto di Nijika'''" ("Nijika's Face")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Japanese'''
:*''Title:'' テレパシー惑星を救え (''Telepathy Wakusei o Sukue'', "Save the Planet of Telepathy")
:*''Original airdate:'' ''see below''
::*Much like "[[The Golden Lagoon (episode)|The Golden Lagoon]]", this episode was not broadcast in all regions in Japan and thus has no official airdate. While what day and what regions it ''was'' broadcast in are not currently known, official episode guides list it between [[June 5]] and [[June 11]], [[1987]].
::* A "[[Secret Files of Teletraan II]]" segment unique to Japan was attached to the end of this episode. It focuses on the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbot]]s. It is different from the segment attached to "[[Money Is Everything (episode)|Money Is Everything]]" which ''also'' focuses on the Aerialbots. This new "Secret Files" segment replaces the original US version which focused on the [[Mini-Cassette]]s. The US segment was never used in the Japanese broadcast of the series.

'''Mandarin'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Měi Xiān'gū'''" (美仙姑, "Fairy Beauty")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

==Home video releases==
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[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''The Transformers: 2010'' ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — ''The Transformers: 2010'' — DVD Box (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2004 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 3 Part 2 & Season 4 ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Season 3 and Season 4 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 5: Series 3.2 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of France.png|20px|France]] 2005 — ''Transformers'' — Volume 23 ([[Déclic Images]]) — European French audio only. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season's Three & Four {{sic}} (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2010 — ''The Transformers'' — Seasons Three & Four: 25th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2011 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Original Series (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''The Transformers'' — Seasons Three & Four: 30th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2014 — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Animated Series (Metrodome)

==External links==
*[https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WpFVKB0TjQVgS93tcLlEfOVKPyder5Ld Episode dialogue script]

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==References==
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