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Battle for Cybertron

2011-08-12T16:13:06Z

Onslaught Six: /* Notes */ Here's the actual line: "For a little one, Bumblebee, you show great courage," laughed their leader." This doesn't sound like a mocking tone like the article implies.

{{comicstory|
|seriesissue=[[Big Looker|Big Looker storybooks]]
|next=The Great Car Rally
|seriesissue2=[[Kid Stuff|Kid Stuff audiobooks]]
|next2=The Great Car Rally
|image=Battle_For_Cybertron_cover.jpg
|caption=Prime is either working on his crip walk or his car-surfing technique.
|title=Battle for Cybertron
|publisher=[[Marvel Books]], [[Kid Stuff]]
|coverdate=1984
|written by=[[Scott Siegel]]
|art by=[[Earl Norem]]
|pagecount=35 pp
|ISBN=ISBN 9780871350169<br>ISBN 0-87135-016-5
}}
'''Yet another retelling of how the Autobots came to Earth, but this time with awesome Earl Norem art.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Image:Battle_For_Cybertron_battle.jpg|left|125px|thumb|This may be the most badass storybook art ever.]]
On the planet [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], war raged between the peaceful [[Autobot]]s and the evil [[Decepticon]]s. The Decepticons want to conquer the universe, while the Autobots bravely resist them. The war raged for over a thousand years, shaking Cybertron out of its orbit. [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] headed up a special mission to save Cybertron from its certain destruction. Other brave Autobot heroes agreed to join him.

The Autobots save Cybertron, but at a great cost - the evil Decepticons ambushed them, forcing Optimus Prime to crash the [[Ark (G1)|Autobot ship]] into the distant planet of [[Earth]]! Four million years later, a volcanic eruption awakens the Autobots' ship, which sets about repairing the crew... and the Decepticons! Awakening first, the Decepticons attack the Autobot ship, but the Ark, the Autobot ship's computer, is smart enough to put up a force field. Weakened by a lack of fuel, the Decepticons retreat, allowing [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] Witwicky to approach the mysterious craft.

[[Image:Battle_for_Cybertron_Autobots.jpg|right|125px|thumb|Okay, this one is pretty badass too...]]
[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] rolls out to meet them and brings the humans inside, where Sparkplug's mechanical know-how gets the Autobots up and rolling again. As the Witwickys ride home in [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], they discover that the Decepticons beat them there... and drained the city's energy! Once they were done refueling, they were certain to come back and finish off the Autobots. The Autobots, actually ''using their vehicle disguises for once'' hid out in vehicle mode and waited for the Decepticons to strike. Sure enough, the Decepticons assaulted the empty Autobot ship, finding themselves thoroughly thwarted by its defenses. Flanking around, the Decepticons strike in two waves. The first wave is easily dispatched by the disguised Autobots, but the second wave is much tougher. A null-ray blast from [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] disables Optimus Prime and starts a panic amongst the Autobot forces. Luckily, Sparkplug repairs Prime, and the reinvigorated Autobots drive the Decepticons away.

Laughter, smiles, credits.

==Quotes==

==Featured Characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* Unidentified Autobot warriors (1-3)
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (7)
* [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] (in shadow) (8)
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (9)
* [[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (in shadow) (10)
* [[Hound (G1)|Hound]]? (in shadow) (11)
* [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (in shadow) (12)
* [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (13)
* [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]? (in shadow) (14)
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (in shadow) (15)
* Unidentified Autobot soldier (19)
* [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (31)
* [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] (32)
* [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (33)
* [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]](34)
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (35)
* [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (36)
* [[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]] (37)
|c2=
* Unidentified Tetrajet [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s (4-6)
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (20)
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (21)
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (22)
* Unidentified Seekers (23-24)
* [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] or [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (25)
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (28)
* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (29)
* [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] or [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (30)
|c3=
* [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] (26)
* [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (27)
|c4=
* Some [[dinosaur]]s (16-18)
}}

==Notes==
[[Image:Battle_For_Cybertron_SCALE.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Hold me closer, tiny Volkswagen.]]
* For a book called ''Battle for Cybertron'' they sure do leave Cybertron before it's halfway over.
* The unidentified Autobot troops at the beginning resemble Bumblebee's Cybertronian mode, but can fly in space.
* Bumblebee is a [[Scale|downright scrawny Beetle]] - he barely comes up to Sparkplug's chest!
* In fact, with the exception of Optimus, ALL the Autobots are pretty scrawny- they're all roughly the same size as the humans in ROBOT MODE!
* The trademark Earl Norem "headlight eyeballs" only show up once, as Bumblebee meets the Witwickys.
* Bumblebee is a "code name."
* Sparkplug is a total badass in this one. It's him, not Spike, that decides to investigate the Autobot ship, and then he performs repairs on Optimus Prime in the MIDDLE OF COMBAT.
* Sparkplug is a goddamned genius, too. Not only does he help repair the entire Autobot force and save Optimus Prime, he teaches the Autobots about geothermal energy (they ARE sitting on top of a volcano, you know.)
* Spike and Sparkplug live in the city of [[Kimball]]. There are a half-dozen Kimballs in the United States, none of which are larger than a couple-thousand people, and certainly not large enough to have their own nuclear power facility.
* Soundwave reads the brain of the Autobot ship - and it laughs at him.
* Did we mention that "The Ark" is the name of the Autobot ship's ''computer''? And it's got a personality?
* There are ''dozens'' of [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s in this one.
* The ship's collision into Earth sends the dinosaurs running about 61 million years after they became extinct.

==External links==
* [http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/books/big-looker/battle.html Battle for Cybertron] at Steve-o's Transformers Site

[[Category:Audiobooks]]
[[Category:Generation 1 storybooks]]

Peter Jessop

2010-08-09T18:18:36Z

Onslaught Six:

{{disambig3|Peter}}

'''Peter Jessop''' (born [[June 29]], 1964) is an American voice actor. His most prominent role is likely the villainous Albert Wesker in the 2002 ''Resident Evil'' game.

==Voice roles==
===''Revenge of the Fallen'': The Game===
*[[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]
*Additional voices

==External links==
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0422247/ Peter Jessop at the Internet Movie Database]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Jessop, Peter}}
[[Category:Activision]]
[[Category:English voice actors]]

Talk:Dion (G1)

2010-07-27T12:17:16Z

Onslaught Six: /* Dion is Jazz? */

==Who is Dion? section==
Just wondering if the "Who is Dion?" bit isn't a bit too speculative? Really this should be a tiny footnote about the references to his origins. Sure, it's nice to note about the fan speculation -- but should it take up the bulk of the entry? I also the question of putting "Who is Dion" links on other character's pages considering there's no concrete links between these characters and Dion -- other than wishful thinking by fans. ---JHIAXUS.
:I think the article is fine as it is. Fandom debate about who, if anyone, Dion got rebuilt into is pretty much the most significant thing about the character. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 22:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah. The Dion debate is too significant to the fandom (enough that Dreamwave's comics and the RID cartoon gave it lipservice) to ignore. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Is it just me, or does Dion's color scheme and vehicle mode remind anyone else of Huffer? -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 00:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

==Huffer? Really?==
I'll bow to others if they think so, but I really question Huffer belonging in the "who is" section. Magnus and Ironhide have been cannadates argued over since the internet was a yong trasnsistor, but I've never heard anyone suggest Huffer before. Sure, there's the color scheme likeness but that's all I see. Is there REALLY any argument to keep him in there?--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:I buy it even LESS than I buy Ironhide or Magnus being Dion... and I don't think either damn one of them was ever Dion. This is the first time I've ever heard this little piece of badly-argued fanon. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:Of course not. But this article isn't constructed along sane lines. You could have Ultra Magnus walk up and say "Prime, you were my good friend Orion Pax when I was Dion<ref>In the episode [[War Dawn]]. - Referential Simon</ref>, and I have to speak with you!" and people would ''still'' argue that this statement can't be applied to cartoon continuity. They're attached to Ironhide in their personal continuity.<br/>
:Maybe the footnote would persuade them... but I doubt it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
<references/>

:That's three votes for "No Huffer," one more and I say he goes. (Not that it's particularly relevant but I'm a Magnus man myself. I'm sure the writers didn't imntend it, but who cares about that? It makes sense to me and fits the universe and the characters and, to me atleast, it just feels right. But eh, to each his own.)--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:In my opinion, the entire "Who is Dion?" section is ridiculous and should be trimmed down to consist only of the first two sentences, perhaps with the third tagged on (but with Huffer reverted out of the list). Spending even a second paragraph on the idea that Dion ''must'' be somebody important is way more than the idea deserves. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 03:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
:: What? Even the stuff about how Dion/Ultra Magnus stuff was brought up again in ''Robots in Disguise'' and the Dreamwave comics? Whether the idea of Dion being somebody important is stupid or not, we can't really ignore that it's been brought up, officially, over and over. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Oh, actually, I forgot those parts. Basically I want to minimize all speculation to as few sentences as possible. Making arguments for and against particular candidates strikes me as silly. However, I will admit that I am probably biased on this since the whole "Dion must be somebody" thing is a pet peeve of mine. On the other hand, everybody making a case for him being somebody is obviously biased, too. If there's anybody out there who considers themselves neutral on the whole thing, maybe they should be the one to do the revision. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
::::I'm for Dion not being anybody and being dead, and I wrote the original section. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:: I agree, only with more profanity. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I restructured the section to downplay Huffer a bit. I suppose the whole thing could stand to be reduced a bit, but as I said above some months back: fandom debate about who, if anyone, Dion got rebuilt into is pretty much the most significant thing about the character. So I have no real problem with the article reflecting that. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:I can live with the downplay of Huffer since he isn;t brought up as much as the other two. I also argee that the speculation of Dion's identity is pretty much the only thing that makes the character worth talking about. -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 03:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The reason I put Huffer in the article is because it seems to make to the most sense. From the discussion above I'm not the only one that noticed a similarity. Personally, I think Dion is kind of a loser that should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Ultra Magnus or Ironhide. On the other hand I don't feel the same about the Huffer connection. If the whole "Who is" section must go than so be it, I just thought since it was here it made sense to include Huffer as well. Just give it a some time, maybe a week, before deleting just the Huffer part so more than 3-4 users can comment. -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 03:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
: The problem is that you edited the section to say that Huffer is one of the most popular suggestions for who Dion allegedly was, despite it being something that you just decided right now made the most sense. Bad anonymous editor! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
::My Bad -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 04:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

==A note on the link==
to JHIAXUS' site. I think JHIAXUS is being disengenuous in asserting that it's certain Dion is dead. I'm saying it's certain that he's not either- it's possible that he had died in the time Alpha Trion was rebuilding Orion Pax (though Ariel lived), but the Arielbots make repeated references to fixing Orion's friends (plural), even though they only mention Ariel by name.
Slingshot: "We've got to find someone who can repair him, and his friends!"
Air Raid: "He's not the only one: there are others back at the hanger- his girlfriend Ariel!"

Watch for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt7W2IA7kKI <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Molybdenumtop|Molybdenumtop]] ([[User talk:Molybdenumtop|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Molybdenumtop|contribs]]){{#if:17:14, 3 October 2007| 17:14, 3 October 2007|}}.</small>

==Colors==
I removed the "Dion and Huffer share colors" speculation on the basis that Huffer is lavender and Dion is bright blue, which are not the same color. As well, the "Alpha Trion/Elita One commando" that was previously mentioned in that section was identified as a female Transformer in the episode cast list - and was also lavender and orange, not blue. -- [[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 18:33, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

==Whoops!==
Sorry about the Wheelie speculation, I did not realise humor wasn't allowed here. I was under the impression that it was, for some reason. Or perhaps it is, but only for the inner circle jerk of wankers.

Really- what is this wiki about? Are you going for standards? If so, get out the watering can, because half the garbage on here is POV/speculation and wouldn't last 5 minutes on Wikipedia. Anyway, here were my additions (in quotes):

"Dion and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] share an almost exact toy design, one being a repaint of the other. In this continuity, Alpha Trion was exhausted after building Optimus, Elita, and all the other robots in his shop that had been "pouring in since this morning." So, he cut a lot of corners... a lot of corners. Ironically, Optimus would not see his old friend until shortly after being brought back from death himself in 2006. (Optimus: "Who the f**k is this Autobot? Wheelie: "Wheelie's my name. Wanna play a game?" Optimus: "No!")"

(Ultra Magnus is a popular suggestion because his cab turns into a white version of the original Optimus Prime body design, and)
"their alternate forms on Earth are also similar, suggesting that they were of the same "mold" (as indeed their toy models were.) It"
would stand to reason that if Alpha Trion rebuilt both of them at roughly the same time they would have similar designs. More, Optimus specifically calls Magnus "old friend" when he passes the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to him. (Though, really, Prime calls everybody that.) To many, Ultra Magnus, being a large powerful character with a latinate name in a leadership role, just seems a fitting completion to a potential triumverate of Optimus, Elita, and Magnus as the first modern Autobots built by Alpha Trion.
"Also noteworthy is the upgrade in characterisation in each case, from giggly teenagers to noble leaders. Post-G1 writers may have tended towards this continuity because due to nothing more than coincidence, it makes more sense in every meaningful way."

Other than the last sentence, what is so ojectionable, or out of character with the rest of the paragraph? The whole paragraph is speulation. The whole article's focus is speculative. {{unsigned|Molybdenumtop}}

:1) You quote a Youtube video and present it as if it were canon. This is horribly misleading.
:2) "Who is Dion?" is a very popular debate amongst Transformers fans, so much that it's been addressed in later canon. The debate consisted of a few very popular answers, which we present. Ironhide and Ultra Magnus (and to a much, much smaller extent, Huffer) are the hotly contested candidates for Dion, one of which has been hinted at, again, as I said, in later canon.
:3) Your random, joking suggestion of Wheelie has nothing to do with the context of this article. We are not making up things whole cloth right here to "answer" this debate. This article only ''reports'' what fandom thinks and why.
:--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Let's address your arguments, even though they don't address mine:
:1) the video I quoted was the G1 episode War Dawn. These quotes were from that show. (Do you understand?) If not, watch the clip, noting the quotes I've pointed out, then click on the link to J's site (the only external link on the Dion page,) compare his version of War Dawn to the one you just saw, and tell me who's being "horribly misleading."
:2) Obviously- do you think I would disagree? I was under the impression that I was contributing to that, in making further arguments for why it might be Ultra Magnus. Is it not a valid point that Magnus's personality is more similar to Prime's and Elita's then Ironhide's? Does speculation have a place in this article? Some people seem to think so, some people think not, and others think only their point of view should matter.
:3) Fine... yes, I got a little carried away, I still thought it was funny.

==Sentinel Prime==
What does everyone think of Sentinel Prime = Dion? In Animated we now have the "old trio" of Optimus, Elita-1 and Sentinel. Substitute Orion Pax for Optimus and Ariel for Elita and you're left with...Sentinel = Dion. He also has a similar color scheme: blue with yellow/orange highlights. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 19:12, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

: I think people should stop desperately fishing for imagined patterns to explain irellevent things that do not need explaining. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:28, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

:: I thought that was the point of this page. I mean, there's a Huffer reference. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 19:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

:::Is this a good time to ask if anybody minds removing Huffer from the list? The only person I've ever heard with that theory was the anonymous editor from further up the talk page and I've become more and more disdainful of it every time I've seen the article since then. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 20:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

:: Animated Sentinel Prime is the same age as Optimus. In other words, he's not old enough to remember the Great War. There's no way he's Dion.

:: (Besides, [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|the original Sentinel Prime]] is also orange/yellow.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

:::But in no way is he blue, the dominant color of Dion and Animated Sentinel.

:::And I'm not saying Animated Sentinel was previously known as Dion millions of years ago, but that Dion could be the G1 cartoon version of this Sentinel Prime. G1 Elita-1 and BW Blackarachnia are not related at all, but Animated Blackarachnia is an alternate version of G1 Elita. And while G1 Dion is unrelated to any of the three comic versions of Sentinel Prime, Animated Sentinel could be an alternate version of him. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 19:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

::::Personal speculation is fine and all, but there's no Animated version of Dion nor any G1 cartoon version of Sentinel Prime, so it means nothing to the wiki.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

::::Just stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:21, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::Geez sorry -- I didn't realize this was a forbidden subject. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 00:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

:::But Animated Optimus Prime doesnt' remember the Great War either. Dion and Orpon Pax were the same age. Animated Oppy and Sentinel Prime are the same age. (I'm not saying he's Dion, I'm just pointing out your counterargument is kinda flimsy.)

::::This... hurts my head so damn much.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 00:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Not so much a forbidden subject as a floodgate. If we allow one guy's personal theory in here, we have to allow another, then another, and another, etc, until the entire article is one giant fanwank. It's just a door that shouldn't be open. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

==So, wait, Dion is...==
Dion?!?!?! Way to dance around the rabid fanbases there, Alvarez. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:35, 9 December 2009 (EST) (personally still thinks Huffer is a possibility, but doesn't care enough to argue)
:So the Diamond Edition is out?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 20:09, 9 December 2009 (EST)
::It is! Cover by Guido. Will scan soon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:12, 9 December 2009 (EST)
So Dion is......... Dion. Guess that takes care of that. Shot by Megatron, then woke up later.[[User:Protoman|Protoman]] 21:05, 20 December 2009 (EST)
:::Am I the only one thinking the issue isn't over yet though? Between Dion and newly-introduced Magnum, the intent of the Ultra Magnus-implication is so obvious that I don't believe it'll end that way. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:52, 21 December 2009 (EST)

==Cop-Tur Micromaster or Mini-Con?==
Dion's page calls Cop-Tur a Micromaster but the [http://www.transformersclub.com/|club website] is calling him a Mini-Con. The website isn't the official bio, and I suppose it could be an understandable mistake. Is there another source that calls him a Micromaster? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:56, 19 January 2010 (EST)
: [[Pete Sinclair]] calls him a Micromaster. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:57, 19 January 2010 (EST)
::OK. That makes more sense. I hope he stays a Micromaster. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:03, 19 January 2010 (EST)

==Dion is Jazz?==
[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/TRANSFORMERS-HALL-OF-FAME-Nominee-3.cfm According the the Transformers hall of fame finalist entry], "Before OPTIMUS PRIME became leader of the AUTOBOTS, he was known as Orion Pax and AUTOBOT JAZZ was his closest friend."

So, if Dion was his best friend before Optimus got rebuilt, doesn't that mean Jazz is Dion? {{unsigned|96.26.4.170|06:13, 6 May 2010}}
:No. Because that bio is basically an "all-encompassing bio for all Jazzes past present and future" therefore there's no way to know if this is referring to G1 Jazz specifically, or Prime Jazz or Movie Jazz or Animated Jazz or Comic Jazz rather than Cartoon Jazz and so forth. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:24, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

::Yeah. ONE Optimus Prime had this friend called Dion. This is a general "capsule" of all Jazzes. Maybe it's specifically referring to the Jazz-like guy we saw in flashbacks during the Unicron Trilogy. Maybe it's UK Comics Jazz. Maybe it's only canon for TF:Prime and the Ladybird storybooks. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:57, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Except that Sunbow Prime is the only one who was called Orion Pax. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 13:36, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Not true. His name is also Orion Pax in the upcoming [[Transformers: Prime]] and its [[Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron|related fiction]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:42, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::According to who? The ''Prime'' page doesn't mention Orion Pax at all, and the only indication of continuity on the Exodus page is that it may be tied to WfC, which so far has been said to be connected more to G1 than the ''Prime'' franchise. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 13:53, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::If there are holes, it is because the pages are incomplete. It is known already that WfC will serve as part of the official history of Hasbro's upcoming fiction initiatives. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:12, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Didn't the Keeper Trilogy books make Orion Pax a nickname of Op-ix in DW? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:20, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::That too. Further cementing that "Orion Pax" is not limited to Sunbow continuity. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:21, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::It might be nice if any of this was actually mentioned anywhere on the wiki. Do a search for Orion Pax, and the only results apart from Exodus are about the Sunbow toon. But whatever, I really don't care that much. Even if it was the same Orion Pax, it doesn't mean much, unless you assume he only ever had one friend. Still, I would argue that it's more of a connection than Ironhide has gotten so far. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 14:48, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::Yes, it WOULD be nice if we had all the information laid out, but these articles are about books and video games and cartoon series that WILL NOT BE OUT FOR MONTHS. So your belly-aching is kind of premature. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:34, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::I'm not "belly-aching" about a lack of information that hasn't been released yet, I'm bitching about the lack of information that has apparently already been confirmed (i.e. the link between Exodus, WfC and Prime). Unless of course it's hasn't actually been confirmed, in which case it shouldn't be used to justify decisions about official canon. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 15:51, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::::The real reason is that while we know Exodus, WfC, and Prime are linked, we don't know what continuity family these stories will ultimately end up in, whether it be another G1 continuity or the beginning of a new continuity family. The wiki is reluctant to put up more information along these lines until we know how to best categorize the information. No more, no less. Deciding that Jazz is Dion, meanwhile, is completely unsubstantiated, and doesn't have a decade or so of fandom discussion to inflate its importance. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:57, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::In that case, I'll go ahead and change those pages to reflect this. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 16:10, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::The Optimus Prime (G1) does mention the Orion Pax tidbit. How better would you suggest it to be documented? Also, no one is denying the wiki is far from complete - that's why there's this many edits a day. What ain't documented now might be tomorrow or the day after or not for another two years. Might be nice if it was all done already, but it ain't. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:51, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::Is it actually Orion Pax in Keepers, or just Orion as the DW section on Optimus' page says? The only result that's caught when you ctrl+F for the full name is the Sunbow section, and there's no mention on the Keepers Trilogy page at all. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 15:12, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Can I apologize now? I make one little joke about what was almost certainly an unintended parallel, and every anon on 4 continents rushes to add it somewhere. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:58, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Never underestimate the anons. :P --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:03, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
I would say that regardless of what the HoF bio suggests, it's a bit ludicrous to make a section for Jazz. The reason Ironhide and Magnus get a section seems to be based around the fact people have been arguing over it for years. It's a major discussion point in the fandom's history. Jazz is just...here. Give it four years of threads dedicated to the topic, then add it in [[User:Eire]] 20.44 May 6th 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's almost the definition of fanon. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 15:57, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Frankly, now that Dion has other fiction to his name, I think we should cut out that section almost entirely. He used to be a three-second character whose "true identity" was debated ad nauseum online for over a decade. But Dion is more than who he may or may not be, now. It is no longer nearly as important. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:51, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::I agree with that. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 15:57, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::Dion was always more than who he could be, imo. How would you suggest making the section smaller? The debate remains significant as part of the fandom (which the WoH fiction won't shoo away) and the canon intents and references to the matter should remain as well. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:04, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Never mind. You've doen well, ItsWalky. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:18, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

[http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024] Boosh! [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 08:17, 27 July 2010 (EDT)

==Duro-Lifters==

Does anyone know if this feature was built into the Hot Shot mold on purpose, or if it was just a happy accident people discoved? Not to sound like a weenie, but I actually like the option, but would feel a little more secure about popping the pieces off and on, if I know the toy was specifically designed to do so.
: It doesn't appear to be designed to do so, if I had to guess. There's no support for it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:44, 14 June 2010 (EDT)

== Continuity Header change ==
Er. I should point out that the "Wings of Honor" continuity is ''not'' actually a part of the cartoon continuity itself, but a separate G1 continuity that includes the cartoon within it (And not necessarily an as-is copy, either, going from some of Pete's comments). So I feel like keeping it separate but with a note would be more accurate. (Maybe we should turn the standard note we've been using in some of the other articles into a template, since it seems it's going to be used a lot over the next few years?) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:07, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:Well, that's why I made it a subset of "Cartoon continuity" instead of a sub-subset of "The Transformers cartoon". Wings is relying on the cartoon episodes of War Dawn, The Rebirth, and so on to establish the "spine" of the stories it's telling...I think it makes more sense to have the Wings fiction grouped with the Cartoon fiction. Granted it doesn't make much difference for Dion, but for guys like Kup the cartoon is fiction section 1.1, and Wings is down the page in section 1.10. I think a note saying things aren't ''quite'' the same as the cartoon is essential, but it makes more sense to say "Wings is derived from the section immediately above" vs. "Wings is derived from that first section waaaaaaaay up at the top of the page." --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 11:48, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
::I guess it's that to me, putting them like that feels to me like they're directly connected, and/or that what happens in Wings of Honor could be chosen by the reader to be interpreted as a retcon to the cartoon itself.
::Whereas it's not. It uses a near-copy of the cartoon as a part of itself, but the FunPub folks have basically said that it may not always follow the cartoon exactly, and any changes aren't really meant to be read as retcons, they're meant to be read as a slightly different version of the cartoon being used.
::It's a semantic point, I suppose, but still. Since I plan on still working on these pages when I get a sub again, I'm curious about getting it hashed out consistently, whichever way it goes.
::As for organization, there's no real reason we couldn't just go ahead and put the Wings of Honor sections as separate but directly underneath the cartoon stuff... is there? I'm admittedly not sure if organizing chronologically is a hard rule or just done for ease of adding new sections. (I know that I switched Around Cybertron around a bit since the WoH stuff is meant to be read as coming "before" the TransTech stuff even though it was released afterwards.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:01, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Gigatron (Animated)

2010-07-15T17:51:53Z

Onslaught Six:

... you know, some context for some of this would really be helpful, even if it's meta. What relevancy does this have to any of the events from the cartoon? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:55, 8 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah. Who's Moonradar? [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 13:51, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

MediaWiki:TFWiki.net Sweep-Stakes/Entries

2010-04-02T18:42:51Z

Onslaught Six:

This is the page for the '''TFWiki.Net Sweep-Stakes''' contest entries. Please put your article of choice and user name below in the following manner:

*[[Small Foot]] --(four tildes)

Contest entry period ends '''April 5th, 2010'''. Good luck, everyone! --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 01:41, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

==Contest Entries==
*[[Theme song]] --[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 15:09, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Estrela]] -- [[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 18:56, 27 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Generation 1 cartoon timeline]] -- [[User:Chocobo prime|Chocobo prime]] 14:08, 27 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)]] -- [[User:Zakor1138|Zakor1138]] 14:40, 27 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Raiden]] -- [[User:AngryRaiden|AngryRaiden]] 17:18, 26 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)]] -- [[User:hupla|hupla]] 23:41, 25 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[The Invisibility Factor]] -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 19:38, 25 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Mindwipe (ROTF)]] --[[User:Bioniclepluslotr|Bioniclepluslotr]] 18:58, 25 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Dalek]] --[[User:DocWho|DocWho]] 2:55 25 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Michigan]] --[[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 11:51, 25 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Blitzwing Bop]] -- [[User:TrentTroop|TrentTroop]]
*[[Antilian bumble-puppy]] [[User:Star Saber|Star Saber]] 02:12, 23 March 2010 (EDT) SS
*[[Bud Hansen]] --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:20, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Path Finder]] --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 02:57, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Roy Harker]] --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 03:17, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Slogism]] -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:11, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Particle cannon]] --[[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 06:25, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Axiom Nexus]] --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 07:52, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Jetstorm (Armada)]] --[[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 08:12, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Fred_(Armada)]] [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 08:48, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Cybertron (planet)]] --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:59, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Clone Trooper]] -- [[User:Darth Shadow 91|Darth Shadow 91]] 9:22, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Sideswipe (G1)]] -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 09:15, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Shattered Glass (fiction)]] --[[User:Bzero|Bzero]] 09:17, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Transformers Animated: How to Draw]] --[[User:Namiinana|Namiinana]]
*[[Topspin (G1)]] --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 10:30, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Jetfire (Armada)]] --[[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:34, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Dinobots vs. Constructicons]] --[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 11:32, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Canonizing]] --[[User:Cliffjumper prime|Cliffjumper prime]] 11:46, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Subgroup]] --[[User:Eire|Eire]] 16.20 Mar 23 2010 (GMT)
*[[Paradron]] --[[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 12:26, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Inferno (Energon)]] --[[User:SamuraiMarmoset|SamuraiMarmoset]] 1:32 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)]] --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 13:44, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Force of Habit]] --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:22, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Mirage (G1)]] --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] 14:31, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Cyclonus (Armada)]] --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:47, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Transformers Tapestry]] --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:48, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Beast Wars: Transformers video game advertising comic]] --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 14:52, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 1]] --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:20, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Thundercracker (Armada)]] ----[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 19:01, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)]] --[[User:SuzyP|SuzyP]] 23:05, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Red Alert (G1)]] --[[User:Kookaburra|Kookaburra]] 23:09, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Mindwipe (G1)]] --[[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 00:03, 24 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Ratchet (SG)]] ----[[user:HunterCham|HunterCham]] 06:20, 24 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Pay phone refugee]] --[[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 10:44, 24 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)]] -- [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 18:09, 24 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Daniel Witwicky (G1)]] -- [[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:03, 25 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Cypher]] -- [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 18:40, 28 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Tantrum]] -- [[User:Stevo|Stevo]] 19:07, 28 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/toys]] ---- [[User:Jiggles97|Jiggles97]] 19:07, 28 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Headmaster Junior]] -- [[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 12:44, 29 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Chris Ho]] -- [[User:Echnalaid|Echnalaid]] 6:51, 29 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[DreamMix TV World Fighters]] [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:53, 29 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[High Wire (Armada)]]--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 14:45, 30 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Circuit Breaker]] -- --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:53, 30 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[World of Transformers]] -- [[User:Tindalos|Tindalos]] 00:28, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Chromedome (G1)]] -- [[User:AmazingSpiderGuy]] 00:28, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
*[[Draxhall Jump]] -- [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 14:42, 2 April 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Side Burn (RID)

2010-03-18T13:38:16Z

Onslaught Six:

Should this be Side Burn (RiD)? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
: No. All RID pages with tags use "(RID)", or, at least thew should. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

==Apology==
I'd swear I read somewhere that the dude who designed Side Burn gave an interview where he apologized for making the transformation so godawful ridiculous. Anyone else remember this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 21:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:No, I remember this too. The same guy designed Armada Red Alert. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
::The website it was actually posted on is lost to teh interwebs, but the [http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_frm/thread/6b06340117d884cf/9df5aed3c56e0de4?hl=en&lnk=st&q=+interview+designer+speedbreaker ATT discussion on the topic] is not. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:02, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Two years later, I do some digging and find [http://www.excite-webtl.jp/world/english/web/?wb_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.takarahobby.com%2Fkaihatsu%2F0312tranceformer%2Findex.html&wb_lp=JAEN&wb_dis=2 this]. It's translated (by Excite, of all things?) so there's a bunch of Engrish, but at least there's a link! [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 09:33, 18 March 2010 (EDT)
::::And the [http://web.archive.org/web/20040211060932/http://www.toyboxex.com/phorum/read.php?f=3&i=178&t=178 original forum post] linked in the ATT discussion (via Archive.org). [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 09:38, 18 March 2010 (EDT)

==Shattered Glass?==

Why is the SG Side Burn listed here? I get that there's obviously something mysterious about the guy, but isn't saying SG Side Burn IS RiD Side Burn arriving in this dimension after the Unicron Singularity a bit of a stretch without, you know, proof? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 13:52, 1 January 2010 (EST)
:We do have one of the SG authors as an active editor, so I've always been willing to assume that our reasoning is thus either correct or the matter's supposed to be intentionally ambiguous (in which case we might as well go with an explanation that fits the tendency for the FunPub continuity to be all interconnected). --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:00, 4 January 2010 (EST)
::Or I'm being a bastard. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:46, 4 January 2010 (EST)
:::I figured that possibility was covered by "intentionally ambigious". --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:09, 4 January 2010 (EST)

Talk:Side Burn (RID)

2010-03-18T13:36:50Z

Onslaught Six:

Should this be Side Burn (RiD)? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
: No. All RID pages with tags use "(RID)", or, at least thew should. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

==Apology==
I'd swear I read somewhere that the dude who designed Side Burn gave an interview where he apologized for making the transformation so godawful ridiculous. Anyone else remember this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 21:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:No, I remember this too. The same guy designed Armada Red Alert. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
::The website it was actually posted on is lost to teh interwebs, but the [http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_frm/thread/6b06340117d884cf/9df5aed3c56e0de4?hl=en&lnk=st&q=+interview+designer+speedbreaker ATT discussion on the topic] is not. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:02, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Two years later, I do some digging and find [http://www.excite-webtl.jp/world/english/web/?wb_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.takarahobby.com%2Fkaihatsu%2F0312tranceformer%2Findex.html&wb_lp=JAEN&wb_dis=2 this]. It's translated (by Excite, of all things?) so there's a bunch of Engrish, but at least there's a link! [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 09:33, 18 March 2010 (EDT)
::::And the [http://web.archive.org/web/20040211060932/http://www.toyboxex.com/phorum/read.php?f=3&i=178&t=178 original forum post] linked in the ATT discussion (via Archive.org). [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 09:36, 18 March 2010 (EDT)

==Shattered Glass?==

Why is the SG Side Burn listed here? I get that there's obviously something mysterious about the guy, but isn't saying SG Side Burn IS RiD Side Burn arriving in this dimension after the Unicron Singularity a bit of a stretch without, you know, proof? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 13:52, 1 January 2010 (EST)
:We do have one of the SG authors as an active editor, so I've always been willing to assume that our reasoning is thus either correct or the matter's supposed to be intentionally ambiguous (in which case we might as well go with an explanation that fits the tendency for the FunPub continuity to be all interconnected). --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:00, 4 January 2010 (EST)
::Or I'm being a bastard. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:46, 4 January 2010 (EST)
:::I figured that possibility was covered by "intentionally ambigious". --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:09, 4 January 2010 (EST)

Talk:Side Burn (RID)

2010-03-18T13:33:16Z

Onslaught Six:

Should this be Side Burn (RiD)? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
: No. All RID pages with tags use "(RID)", or, at least thew should. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

==Apology==
I'd swear I read somewhere that the dude who designed Side Burn gave an interview where he apologized for making the transformation so godawful ridiculous. Anyone else remember this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 21:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:No, I remember this too. The same guy designed Armada Red Alert. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
::The website it was actually posted on is lost to teh interwebs, but the [http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_frm/thread/6b06340117d884cf/9df5aed3c56e0de4?hl=en&lnk=st&q=+interview+designer+speedbreaker ATT discussion on the topic] is not. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:02, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Two years later, I do some digging and find [http://www.excite-webtl.jp/world/english/web/?wb_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.takarahobby.com%2Fkaihatsu%2F0312tranceformer%2Findex.html&wb_lp=JAEN&wb_dis=2 this]. It's translated (by Excite, of all things?) so there's a bunch of Engrish, but at least there's a link! [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 09:33, 18 March 2010 (EDT)

==Shattered Glass?==

Why is the SG Side Burn listed here? I get that there's obviously something mysterious about the guy, but isn't saying SG Side Burn IS RiD Side Burn arriving in this dimension after the Unicron Singularity a bit of a stretch without, you know, proof? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 13:52, 1 January 2010 (EST)
:We do have one of the SG authors as an active editor, so I've always been willing to assume that our reasoning is thus either correct or the matter's supposed to be intentionally ambiguous (in which case we might as well go with an explanation that fits the tendency for the FunPub continuity to be all interconnected). --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:00, 4 January 2010 (EST)
::Or I'm being a bastard. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:46, 4 January 2010 (EST)
:::I figured that possibility was covered by "intentionally ambigious". --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:09, 4 January 2010 (EST)

Talk:Scrapmetal (ROTF)

2009-12-24T06:53:19Z

Onslaught Six: /* We have a name. */

Does it really need to be "'''Ze''' little one"? As opposed to "Little one" or "Little Constructicon"? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:24, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:Probably for comic effect since that's all he's been identified as in the film itself, not unlike The Fallen constantly having the "The" preceeding the name, or other such articles. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:26, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

::It has the benefit of leaving no question who the article refers to.
::Also-- I'm not entirely sure about the "looks liek Scrapper, but has a different altmode." The scene in the film is clearly the product of two different 'shoots,' with backgrounds and vehicle positions not matching up, and the long shots showing different vehicles than the close-ups. A lot of the confusion about The Little One's identity comes from that-- there's a truss crane in some of the shots that's simply not there in others. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:22, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Perhaps, but in the shots it's featured in, it has a blatant Decepticon sigil on its side. We see no such thing with the loader. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:25, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Our best evidence, if we take everything 100% literally, is that he's a triple-changer and transformed between shots. Or scanned a new altmode between shots. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:54, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Our best evidence, if we take everything literally, is that G1 Soundwave is a triple-changer capable of transforming into a perfect facsimile of Sideswipe's robot mode between shots.
:::::It's a good thing we ''don't'' take everything 100% literally, because the inability to recognize a mistake as a mistake would be crippling. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:07, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::It seems too unlikely to me that a red excavator transforms into a Scrapper-like robot - for one thing, there's no known example of a Transformer changing colour between modes in the Movieverse. It's possible that Scavenger was originally intended to join the others before they finalised his alt-mode, as occurs in some of the adaptations such as ''Rise of the Decepticons'' where the main image on the ROTF Constructicons page comes from. Given that the vehicle-shots before Devastator transforms don't match up with the transformation itself, I'm of the opinion that it's another editing goof and 'ze little one' is simply a Scrapper unit. (Which, given Rampage is smaller than him, puts Scalpel's eyesight into question...) [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 08:18, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
::::The excavator is yellow, not red. It's not Scavenger's ginormous altmode, it's a smaller, yellow Volvo excavator. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:30, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Oops, you're right, my bad. I still think it's a editing goof, but the alt mode being smaller and the same colour does add more credibility to the theory. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 18:14, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
::Wait, how did an allspark fragment revive someone killed by the WHOLE allspark?
:::Maybe because he was alive when he got killed but was dead when he got revived (I know it sounds obvious but keep reading because I don't mean it like that) just like electricity, when your alive it kills you (stops your heart) but when you are dead (with a stopped heart) it brings you back to life (restarts your heart). Lightning is actually more powerful than a defibrillator.[[Special:Contributions/90.198.156.78|90.198.156.78]] 13:33, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
:::The same way a cup of coffee jolts you up but a hundred cups kills you. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:02, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Jetfire indicated that Energon has some anti-entropic qualities. Mass doses will blow shit out, but lower doses can bring stuff to life.
::::Just like unleashign the full power of the matrix can nuke Unicron, but a tiny fragment of the Matrix's finite power can act as an 'extra life.' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:07, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Would it be at all possible to ask Orci, Bay, or any of the other reliable sources on this in the same manner we ask Wyatt things? If not, could someone remember to bring it up at the next interview with them (if there's room)? The compromise we're using works for now, but it is kind of iffy, and a clear explanation from someone in charge should clean this right up.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:35, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Not that I'm against that or anything... But it seems blatantly obvious just from the context of the movies. "No Optimus! Don't put the cube in your chest! It's PURE ENERGY!" *Sam puts cube in Meg's chest* "Aaaaaaaaaargh!" *melt melt melt melt melt* (by the way, heat is a form of energy). Considering the cube was used to power up all of Cybertron... Yeah, the whole thing was probably too much for anyone to handle all at once. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 03:49, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
::::I don't think Orci would be interested in that like Wyatt. In [http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/07/ask-orci-final-edition.html an interview] he was asked to clarify Devastator and he said, "I suppose since we didn't commit either way, I wouldn't want to tie the hands of future writers with my non-canon opinion." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:13, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

== Screentime ==

Rampage and Demolisher got whole scenes to themselves, and Mixmaster at least had that thing on top of the Brooklyn Bridge, as well as being the focus of every panning scene with the Constructicons. Long Haul I think was also there for a while in the scene with Simmons, and is easily more idenitifiable than the other Constructicons in most of the scenes including them. Honestly, even if ze little one ''was'' Scrapper, he got barely any screentime whatsoever - I had to be looking for him in the desert scene, once I knew he appeared there, to even see him, and Hightower and Overload didn't appear at all in robot form. As such, I don't think that the Q&A thing can be claimed to explicitly identify Scrapper as distinct from ze little one with the wording it uses.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 05:41, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

== Ze little one body-type as left leg ==

Okay, right from the start, I'll admit this is completely baseless speculation. However, with the exception of Kickback (who might share Rampage's alt-mode, both being bulldozers), there are no other Constructicons that only have a single body-type, and it's been noted in several places that a single Rampage is too small to create Devastator's left leg. ZLO is a yellow tracked construction vehicle with a similar mass to Long Haul, and since we never see exactly what becomes the left leg in the movie...

I know there isn't a Volvo excavator in the scene where Devastator forms, but then, there's only one bulldozer and it's commonly thought that at least two Rampages make up Devastator, and the vehicles-rolling-up section doesn't match the transformation section of the scene anyway. I also know that all the official information on Devastator lists Rampage as the left leg component, but then the film contradicts that ''anyway'' as it clearly shows him becoming the left hand, and if two Rampages do form the leg then that also contradicts the single-Rampage-as-leg canon. Might as well throw out crazy ideas since there's no official consensus on which Constructicon does what. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 06:48, 15 August 2009 (EDT)

== Is all this speculation neccesary? ==

This is kinda pointless. Does it really matter what his actual name is? There are hundreds of other autobots and decepticons on Earth in this (like most, if not every) continuity that haven't been even talked about in the fiction, of course with not one being given a name. So what's the difference if this character has an actual name? {{unsigned|70.100.243.71}}
:It's fun. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:53, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

== Screenshot ==

Not sure if this is any good to anyone - [http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ZeLittleOne.jpg]
--[[User:The Ideon|The Ideon]] 03:54, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:Looks pretty good to me, especially since we don't have a mainpic for this guy yet. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 11:20, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

== Scrapper, Ze Little one and constructicons ==
On the ship we see 2 shots. A short shot with a wheel loader and several shots with the Volvo excavator. The Excavator has longer shots (more screntime), clearly has a Decepticon logo and even gets a close up and even movement. Therefore it is safe to assume that the loader only see for a very short time in a overhead shoot is a mistake and the excavator is the corect alternate mode. So this means that this robot can't be Scrapper because Scrapper is a wheel loader.
Judging on Devastors proportions Scrapper is one of the bigger constructicons, bigger then Mixmaster and Rampage so couldn't be referred to as 'little one'. Note that the loose Long Haul is a diffirent (bigger) truck type then the combining truck so can't be used for reference. Scrapper is seen in the desert battle and chasing Sam and Mickaela in the village so was clearly not dead (well untill being bombed by aircraft).
It is unclear whethere there are multiple contructicons of each body type. The combining vehicles were never seen in robot mode nor do they speak or show any signs of being seperate sentient beings, they simply combine. Devastator could simply be a seperate robot with an alt mode that splits into several construction vehicles.
Although the appearance of Grindor and a Decepticon identical to Bonecrusher indicates that it is possible to have multiple identical Transformers (unless these were in fact revived Blackout and Bonecrusher). If Devstators components are seperate robots then some of them would have survived as not all of Devastators parts were destroyed.
There is a concept art by [[Paul Ozzimo]] shows a robot similar to Scrapper but who has clearly tracks (on his right arm and seen on the right side of his back) instead of wheels.
Parts of Ze little one were used to repair Megatron, which after that Transformed into a tracked vehicle, indicating the constructicon killed had tracks. But perhaps they also used parts of Brawl's body. But if Brawl's body was close why would they bother to kill a constructicon and use his parts? Maybe they used a spark to revive Megatron and Brawl was dead for to long for it to be usefull.{{unsigned|84.105.192.220|07:47, 3 October 2009}}

== Screen shot of technical errors ==

I got a [http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3291/2mkv002332703.jpg pic] which can be used for [[Ze little one#Trivia]] and [[Revenge of the Fallen (film)#Filming / editing / technical errors]]. But it still need another image (in which ze little one's alt mode is a Volvo excavator) to be made into a picture like [[:Image:Grimlockhead_ud2.jpg|this]]. (I haven't got DVD, so I can't finish the job. Thus I can only provide a picture.) --'''[[User:TX55|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 02:52, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:I'd like an image actually of Scrapper in robot mode jumping off the boat ahead of the others: so eager, yet so doomed. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 04:03, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== Size ==

It looks to me like the smallest Constructicon was Mixmaster. Is this an error?--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 18:47, 17 November 2009 (EST)

== Not ze little one ==

Im pretty sure that this guy is bigger than Scrapper and Mixmaster. So calling him Ze little one would be an error.--[[User:LesterX|LesterX]] 17:26, 13 December 2009 (EST)
:It's the only designation we have for the character. Also, you don't have to be the smallest Constructicon to die. You just need to be the slowest. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:58, 13 December 2009 (EST)

==We have a name.==
[http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/641]. [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 21:51, 23 December 2009 (EST)
:Well, what do you know? We actually have a name that is both Transformerish ''and'' descriptive! -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:53, 23 December 2009 (EST)
::That is so not fair! Why couldn't we get THAT Hasbro guy to answer our Constructicons Q&A question?! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:56, 23 December 2009 (EST)
:::Hasbro appreciates the fans' enthusiasm and support of the Transformers brand. To that end, Hasbro now solicits questions on a bi-monthly basis from leading fan web sites. Hasbro looks forward to responding to your questions!
:::(or to put it another way, NO) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:02, 24 December 2009 (EST)
:::No clue, frankly I was surprised they answered it at all. I asked on a whim because we couldn't come up with anything better. I actually fully expected "We dunno! There is no name!" [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 01:53, 24 December 2009 (EST)

Hasbro Q&A/December 2009

2009-12-24T02:52:31Z

Onslaught Six:

{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[Hasbro Q&A]]<br />December 2009|prev=Hasbro Q&A/October 2009|title=[[Hasbro Q&A/December 2009: Answers|Click here for TFWiki answers]]|next=Hasbro Q&A/February 2010}}
A question archive of, and links to the answers from, the December 2009 Hasbro Q&As, released on December the 23rd or shortly thereafter.

==Questions==
===AllSpark.com===
#The motorcycle that comes with Human Alliance Skids is called "Arcee", yet neither mode looks like the female Autobot; the robot mode looks to be based on "Chromia", while the bike mode seems to be based on Mikaela's ordinary, non-transforming bike. The color scheme supports the latter as well. What's the story behind this Human Alliance "Arcee"design? Was it intended to be a new character that just had the Arcee named applied later on?
#The concept of relatives is a little strange in a species that doesn't reproduce by human methods. As such, what is the basis of the many established familial relationships among Transformers? How do things like Sideswipe and Sunstreaker being brothers, some Transformers having parents or children, etc. work exactly? Does Hasbro maintain an overall concept/idea on how these relationships work, or do they allow those that hold the fiction licenses free rein when it comes to how/which Transformers are "related"?
#When concept art for unproduced designs is revealed to the public, is it forever off the table or is it possible to revisit them for viable toys later on down the road?

*[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=65426 AllSpark.com answers]

===Parry Game Preserve===
#Universe / 25th Anniversary toys keep trickling out, which is great. Will we see a strengthening of this sub-line with additional 2010 releases, since it is very popular, or do you feel it is better to move on to products for the 3rd movie and the new upcoming tv presence (whatever it may be)?
#Do you plan to continue the Robot Heroes line beyond the current movie figures?
#Having now released a number of figures for the recent feature film, does the team have an overall favorite?

*[http://www.parrygamepreserve.com/newsDetail.php?jID=1218 Parry Game Preserve answers]

===TFormers.com===
#As late as SDCC 2009, Hasbro has stated that they are going to get all of the unreleased Transformers Animated figures on the shelves no matter what, but don't know the exactly when. Now that it's a little farther off and we've been given a ballpark dates for Arcee and Cybertron Ratchet (Spring 2010), do you have any other ballpark dates for the other figures and exclusivity deals that you can divulge?
#The new Hasbro and Discovery Network joint venture is shaping up quite well with the recent appointments. During the announcement of the network, Brian Goldner said that there will "most likely" be a new series based off of Transformers in 2010. Is there any new information regarding this new series such as the the direction, style, or release date?
#Is there a chance that the Tomy Takara reissues such as Metroplex, Seacons, or the cassettes will make be released in the US by Hasbro?

*[http://tformers.com/transformers-hasbro-answers-your-burning-questions-episode-vii/12822/news.html TFormers.com answers]

===TFWiki.net===
#When the Constructicons formed Devastator in Revenge of the Fallen, the film showed two unnamed construction vehicles helping to form Devastator that aren't seen anywhere else. There's a yellow dump truck that's not the same kind of dump truck that Long Haul is, and there's a tiny treaded shovel that forms Devastator's left hand. Do you guys have names for these two Constructicons? If not, could you make some up for us right now?
#The company which syndicated the original Transformers cartoon, Claster, was a Hasbro subsidiary that has since been merged into Hasbro's media division. Since their records would now be completely in-house at Hasbro, would it be possible to get a list of the TV stations that broadcasted the original Transformers cartoon? Or barring that, the number of stations that broadcast it?
#We now know that the voice of the Universe cartoon Optimus Prime is Ron Hayden, but who are the voices of Megatron, Cyclonus and Bumblebee in the episode "Fight for Energon"? Are there also more episodes planned now the Universe line ended?

*[[Hasbro Q&A/December 2009: Answers|TFWiki.net answers]]

===TFViews.com===
#Not that the ROTF Swerve redeco isn’t great (because it is) and a good way to somewhat rectify some early fan complaints that “Sideswipe is supposed to be red!” but considering ROTF Sideswipe turns into a Corvette concept car, was there ever a dark blue redeco considered under the name of Tracks? After all, G1 Tracks was a dark blue Corvette – it basically writes itself.
#Several Constructicon characters in ROTF have multiples throughout the film – multiple Mixmasters, Rampages and Long Hauls are running around, and Scavenger and Demolishor share a body type, if not deco. Early in the film, several Constructicons, along with Ravage and Scalpel, head down the Laurentian Abyss to revive Megatron. The other Decepticons cannibalize one of the Constructicons, which fans have nicknamed “Ze Little One” after Scalpel’s line. Our question is, which of the existing Constructicon designs (most say it’s Rampage or Scrapper), if any, is Ze Little One supposed to be?
#What is Hasbro’s point of view on how IDW comics have approached the Transformers brand? How much input do they have on characters and storylines, and are they happy with the end result when it comes to the treatment of character and mythology? How does this compare to how Dreamwave approached the same material?

*[http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/641 TFViews.com answers]

[[Category:Hasbro Q&A]]

Talk:Scrapmetal (ROTF)

2009-12-24T02:51:18Z

Onslaught Six:

Talk:Hasbro Q&A/December 2009: Answers

2009-12-24T02:48:35Z

Onslaught Six:

So, does the first question imply that Constructicon are [[:Category:Mass-produced Transformers|Mass-produced Transformers]] (which already seems to be), so Long Haul, Mixmaster, Rampage, and (too lazy to list) are all Mass-produced Transformers? Or simply Hasbro is too lazy to come up a new setting, Or, they simply don't get the true meaning of the question? --'''[[User:TX55|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 20:57, 23 December 2009 (EST)
:I don't think we can extrapolate from this. All we've really gotten is that the Constructicons are... well, the Constructicons. Hasbro does not seem to be willing at this time to acknowledge any of them beyond the "official" seven that are in the Legends scale figure.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:11, 23 December 2009 (EST)
::They did decide [[Ze little one]] is named Scrapmetal, but he's not part of Dev, so. [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 21:48, 23 December 2009 (EST)

Movor

2009-12-22T08:29:09Z

Onslaught Six:

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:''Movor is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:MovorRID01.jpg|right|242px|thumb|"Curse those pesky power-brats!"]]
'''Movor''' is a member of the [[Commando]]s, the team that combines into [[Ruination (RID)|Ruination]]. With [[Ro-Tor (RID)|Ro-Tor]], he is one half of the Decepticons' aerial strike force, though his aim leaves something to be desired. He's a somewhat sarcastic character who likes observing things from high above the ground and making pop culture references.

Curiously, he prefers baths in lukewarm water.

:''Japanese name:'' '''Shuttler''' (シャトラー ''Shatorā'')

==Fiction==
===''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Robert Axelrod]] (English), [[Hidenori Konda]] (Japanese)
[[Image:Commandos Movor RoTor firing.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Get them! Uh, I mean, seize them!]]
Movor was originally one of a group of [[Autobot]]s led by [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]], who travelled to [[Earth]] in a [[protoform]] state. Their ship crashed, and years later was dug up by a group of [[Predacon (RID)|Predacon]]s under [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]]'s leadership. Taken to [[McKinley Army Base]], the Predacons scanned army vehicles as Megatron infused them with his spark energy. While attempting to choose a vehicle mode for the protoform to scan, Sky-Byte tripped and set off the scanner. The beam nearly hit an eagle (which would have made him a Predacon), but instead, it hit a low flying space shuttle. Though the newly born-Decepticons were ready to fight, Megatron ordered them to retreat so they could re-power. {{storylink|The Decepticons}} The new troops' first mission was to disrupt the [[human]]s by attacking [[Sherman Dam]]. They planted [[pulsar bomb]]s on the dam, however when [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] took control of the bombs, preventing them from firing, the ground-based Commandos blasted a hole in the dam and ended up grappling with the freed [[Autobot Brothers]]. Ro-Tor and Movor attempted to provide air support, but were attacked by the newly-arrived [[Team Bullet Train]]. When the trains formed [[Rail Racer (RID)|Rail Racer]], the Commandos responded by forming Ruination, however the combined power of the Autobots was too much for them and they were forced to retreat. {{storylink|Commandos}}

[[Image:AttackFromSpace Movor attackmode.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Hey, I think my tailfin perspective is screwed.]]
The Commandos unsuccessfully fought against the [[Spy Changer]]s on [[Montrose Island]] {{storylink|Volcano}} after which the Decepticons came up with a new plan—take a space shuttle hostage and replace it with Movor. Once in orbit, Movor attempted to track numerous Autobots (including [[Tow-Line (RID)|Tow-Line]], [[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]], and [[X-Brawn]]) with the intention of finding the Autobots' hidden base, but ultimately, he found himself wasting time watching them go about their everyday activities. Once he set his sights on [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]], who was in the process of chasing [[Kelly]]'s red convertible (yet again), Movor began leading the other Decepticons to numerous erroneous locations, which were all destroyed.

The Autobots caught wise to the scheme, and lured Side Burn—and by extension, the Decepticons—to [[Pier 7B]]. The other Decepticons were led into an ambush while Movor remained high in orbit. When the shuttle attempted to help his comrades, he inadvertently shot Scourge (twice!) while trying to take out [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]], making the whole plan a bust. Once it was over, Movor was knocked out of orbit by a satellite. {{storylink|Attack from Outer Space}}

[[Image:TheTest Rollbar Movor seated.jpg|thumb|left|200px|...It was a BIG rock!]]
The next cunning plan was to try to make the Autobots think that the Decepticons were defecting. The Autobot Brothers tested them by forcing them to do various menial tasks, which they threw themselves into in an attempt to lull the Autobots into a false sense of security. Movor had misgivings, expecting Scourge's temper to be their undoing. Sure enough, Scourge ended up giving the plan away at the last minute, and Optimus Prime fought them to a retreat. {{storylink|The Test (episode)|The Test}} The Decepticons later interrupted one of Sky-Byte's plans, and obtained a disk which appeared to be a map to the [[Global Space Bridge]] system. Unfortunately when they used it, it turned out to be a map of the local ''sewer'' system, and the Decepticons found themselves on the business end of Optimus's blizzard storm. {{storylink|Wedge's Short Fuse}}

When the Decepticons located the control center to the Global Space Bridge and sabotaged it so that the Autobots would be sent to random locations, Movor joined in causing havoc in [[Metro City]]. The [[Build Team]] soon realised what had happened, defeated the Commandos and repaired the space bridge. {{storylink|Landfill (episode)|Landfill}} Later the Decepticons attempted to intercept Optimus Prime, who they believed was taking the [[O-Part]]s to Sky-Byte, however even combining into Ruination didn't help them and the Autobot leader soon defeated them. {{storylink|Sky-Byte Saves the Day}}

[[Image:TestOfMetal Movor landing.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]
After their raid on the [[East Power Station]] was foiled by the Build Team, the Commandos resolved to get their revenge on the Autobots. To this end, they started attacking construction sites in an attempt to goad the Build Team into fighting them. Eventually they succeeded in drawing the Build Team out and were able to dominate them in combat, at least until [[Landfill (RID)|Landfill]] led Ruination into an oil-filled cavern and ignited it, blasting the Commandos into the ocean. {{storylink|A Test of Metal}}

[[Image:MagnusForcedFusion Rotor and Movor.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Why are our heads so small?]]
A later raid on an oil refinery went better—while the Autobot Brothers did turn up, they were prevented from stopping the Decepticons by the arrival of [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Ultra Magnus]]. Still, the Decepticons only got a portion of the fuel and, at Megatron's orders, set up a trap for the Autobot Brothers. Instead they got Ultra Magnus, whose fighting skills outclassed theirs. Even forming Ruination didn't help, and the Decepticons were forced into a retreat with the arrival of Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus (episode)|Ultra Magnus}} Movor quickly went back into orbit in order to do some more spying. He was able to observe Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus fighting and, when Optimus subsequently lost, Movor was able to track Sky-Byte, who had found the hiding place Optimus had chosen to recuperate in. He returned from orbit to join the other Decepticons, as they launched an attack on the Autobot leader in order to finish the job. Despite the Commandos forming Ruination, they were no match for [[Omega Prime]], the combined form of Optimus and Ultra Magnus, and retreated hastily. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus: Forced Fusion!}}

[[Image:PowerToBurn Movor RoTor airattack.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]
Some time later, the Decepticons were able to take the Autobot Brothers captive, allowing the Decepticons and Megatron to inflict some punishment on Optimus and Rail Racer, who were unable to fight back. Unfortunately Ultra Magnus rescued the three brothers, and Megatron's forces were soon in retreat once again. {{storylink|The Two Faces of Ultra Magnus}} Scourge attempted to get Ultra Magnus to join him in destroying Optimus, but Magnus turned him down, resulting in the Decepticons springing a trap on the Autobot. Though Side Burn and Prowl attempted to help Magnus, the renegade Autobot promptly left them to it, and they were little match for Ruination. Of course, the arrival of Optimus and return of Magnus turned things pretty firmly back in the Autobots' favour, and the Decepticons retreated once again. {{Storylink|Power to Burn!}}

More information was gleaned from the captured [[Kenneth Onishi|Doctor Onishi]]'s mind—there were strange ruins beneath Metro City which emanated powerful energy. The Decepticons set out to find the ruins and promptly ran into the Spy Changers. While [[Armorhide (RID)|Armorhide]] and [[Rollbar (RID)|Rollbar]] were left to take care of them, the rest of the Decepticons went on and ran into [[Railspike (RID)|Railspike]] and [[Rapid Run (RID)|Rapid Run]] in a subway tunnel. Movor and Ro-Tor stayed to keep them pinned down while Scourge and [[Mega-Octane]] continued on, however Ultra Magnus turned up and accidentally flooded the tunnel. Movor and Ro-Tor found themselves being washed away along with Team Bullet Train, eventually being flushed into the cavern containing the ruins where they were reunited with the other Decepticons. They combined into Ruination to fight the Autobots while Scourge headed for the ruins, unleashing [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|Fortress Maximus]]. {{storylink|Fortress Maximus (episode)|Fortress Maximus}} Chased off by Maximus's defense systems, the Commandos formed Ruination to keep Rail Racer busy while Scourge attempted to access Maximus again. {{storylink|Koji Gets His Wish}}

[[Image:FriendlyContest Movor stockattack.jpg|thumb|left|200px|]]
With the hunt for the O-Parts on, the Decepticons confronted the Autobot Brothers and Build Team, who had found an O-Part, and demanded they hand it over. The Autobots promptly disappeared through the Global Space Bridge, starting a game of cat and mouse. The Decepticons eventually cornered them in [[Egypt]], however Sky-Byte's bungling made recovering the O-Parts impossible. {{storylink|A Friendly Contest}} Spying from space, Movor spotted the Autobots in the [[Sahara Desert]], and Megatron and the Decepticons arrived in time to attack Side Burn. Venturing into the subterranean ruins, they found the Autobots had located the [[Orb of Sigma]], and the Decepticons fought them while Megatron went for the Orb. Ultimately they were unsuccessful and, with the loss of Megatron, the Decepticons retreated back to the ''[[Megastar]]''. {{Storylink|Peril from the Past}}

Without Megatron's leadership, the Decepticons had a lot more freedom to do what they wanted. They tracked the Autobots to an old temple, where they were able to snatch [[Cerebros (RID)|Cerebros]], the key to controlling Fortress Maximus, away with the help of the Predacons. Maximus himself was soon located and, despite the Autobots attempting to defend the giant, Scourge was able to use Cerebros to activate him. The Commandos combined into Ruination during the following battle, however Scourge's lack of ability to control Maximus and the return of Megatron as Galvatron resulted in the Decepticons retreating. {{storylink|Maximus Emerges}}

[[Image:SurpriseAttack Movor firing.jpg|thumb|right|200px|So how many pictures of me shooting at things off-screen can we fit on this page?]]
A second attempt in the desert to control Maximus, with Ruination providing backup, didn't go any better {{storylink|The Human Element}} and during a third attempt, Scourge's treachery was revealed to Galvatron. {{storylink|Mistaken Identity}} This resulted in Galvatron forcibly reprogramming all of the Decepticons to obey his will, and putting them under the command of Sky-Byte for an assault on Autobot headquarters. Pursuing the fleeing Optimus Prime, the Decepticons and Predacons were led into a trap, though the arrival of the ''Megastar'' and Fortress Maximus rendered them superfluous anyway. They watched as Maximus defeated the ''Megastar'', and Galvatron fell to the ground. {{storylink|Surprise Attack!}} Galvatron was not out, however, and the Decepticons defended him while he drained energy from Fortress Maximus. He sent Ruination and Scourge into the Global Space Bridge after the retreating Autobots, before himself flooding the tunnel with lava by rupturing the tunnel wall. {{storylink|Galvatron's Revenge}} They survived the lava, only to be swiftly defeated by the Autobot forces. After Galvatron's defeat, they were shipped off to the [[asteroid prison colony]] with Galvatron and the Predacons. {{Storylink|The Final Battle (RID)|The Final Battle}}
{{--}}

===Universe===

{{charstubfiction}}

==Toys==
===Robots in Disguise===
*'''Movor''' (Basic, 2000, 2001)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''D-008'''

: A [[redeco]] of the [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]] [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] toy, Movor transforms into a Space Shuttle. He has a pair of large non-firing cannons that clip onto the back of his shuttle mode or on the pegs under his wings. As the toy uses the [[Scramble City]] style of connection, he can form any limb to any combination of similar robots, though naturally he normally forms a limb to the combined robot [[Ruination (RID)|Ruination]].

: He was first released as part of the [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] ''Car Robots'' line in 2000. In 2001, [[Hasbro]] released the toy as part of the ''Robots in Disguise'' series. There are a couple of [[Paint operation|paint application]] differences between the two releases; the most immediately noticeable being that the Hasbro version uses Decepticon sigils instead of the old [[Commando|Combatron]] ones. The Hasbro version also uses silver paint for the windshield rather than Takara's metallic purple.

: This mold was also used to make ''[[Operation Combination (toyline)|Operation Combination]]'' [[Shuttle Gunner]].

*'''Valdigus''' (Multi-pack, 2000)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''D-011'''

: In Japan, Movor/Shuttler was also made available as part of a complete team multi-pack with his teammates [[Armorhide (RID)|Armorhide]], [[Mega-Octane]], [[Rollbar (RID)|Rollbar]] and [[Ro-Tor (RID)|Ro-Tor]]. All toys were identical to their individual Japanese releases, but the set only came with a bio card for the combined form.

*'''Ruination''' (Ultra, 2003)

: The entire Commando team was redecoed in various shades of gray with "urban camo" patterns as part of a Wal-Mart [[exclusive]] gift set, oddly released well after the end of the ''Robots in Disguise'' line. Movor was also slightly [[Retool|retooled]], blunting his nosecone significantly.

===Universe===
*'''Ruination''' (Ultra, 2004)

: The entire Ruination team was redecoed ''again'' to make ''another'' Wal-Mart exclusive set (why?), this time with a unified "desert camo" theme under the ''[[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' banner. It came out at the same time as five ''other'' Wal-Mart ''Transformers'' exclusives, which led to a glut. Ruination seemed a particularly slow mover in this batch.

==Trivia==
* According to [[Aaron Archer]] at [[BotCon 2002]], Movor's name is simply indicative of the fact he... moves. Move-or. Yes, really. Shut up.

* The episode "[[Attack from Outer Space]]", which featured Movor's bumbled attempts at orbital bombardment, was not aired on Fox Kids, due to post-September 11 sensitivity.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Decepticon/Movor/movor.htm Movor at TFU.info]

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Mega-Octane

2009-12-22T08:22:21Z

Onslaught Six:

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:''Mega-Octane is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Mega-octanerid.jpg|right|250px|thumb|[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] called. He wants his head back.]]
'''Mega-Octane''' is the cool-headed commander of the [[Commando|Commandos]]. He orders his troops into battle with militaristic stoicism, as if they were his own limbs, but actually spends more of his time keeping the hot-headed [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]] in check. Scourge claims to be leader of the small Decepticon faction, but in reality it is Mega-Octane who holds the group together. But all great bots have their personal quirks—Mega-Octane is not satisfied unless he takes his bath before everyone else.<ref>No joke. This is from Mega-Octane/Dolrailer's ''Car Robots'' bio.</ref>

He merges with the other Commandos to form [[Ruination (RID)|Ruination]], who he completely controls. Having lost command of the Decepticons to Scourge, he ''revels'' in commanding the power of this mighty gestalt. <ref>Commandos [[bio]] on the R2 DVDs</ref>

Mega-Octane is one of the many Decepticons under the command of [[Unicron]] in the [[Universe war]], though at this time it is unknown if it is the "original" Mega-Octane or an alternate-universe incarnation.

:''Japanese name'': '''Dolrailer''' (ドルレイラー ''Dorureirā'')

==Fiction==
===''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Bob Papenbrook]] (English), [[Holly Kaneko]] (Japanese)

Mega-Octane was originally part of a small Autobot crew sent to Earth to reactivate the legendary Autobot battle station, [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|Fortress Maximus]]. As they were stored in a [[protoform]] state, the Autobots were unable to prevent their spaceship from malfunctioning and crashing somewhere in the United States in the mid-20th century. The ship was later discovered by [[Kenneth Onishi|Doctor Onishi]] during his work as an archaeologist and, later still, the information was obtained by [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]] through scans of the doctor's mind. Megatron was able to steal the six Autobot protoforms and take them to a [[McKinley Army Base|nearby military base]], where he infused them with his own spark energy, turning them into Decepticons. The first of the Decepticons to be reformatted was Mega-Octane. Although [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] optimistically tried to welcome Mega-Octane to Earth, he was rebuffed and the Decepticon set about covering the Predacons as they scanned new forms for the rest of the Decepticons. Although Mega-Octane regarded himself as the leader, Scourge, the last to be reformatted, asserted his own leadership over the five [[Commando|Commandos]]. {{storylink|The Decepticons}}

[[Image:Commandos Megaoctane.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Boosh!]]
On their first mission, the Decepticons mounted an attack on [[Sherman Dam]], abseiling up the side of it in order to plant [[Pulsar bomb|pulsar bombs]]. When Scourge attempted to detonate the bombs, they found that [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] and the [[Predacon (RID)|Predacons]] had tampered with them, forcing them to attempt to destroy the dam through other means. The arrival of [[Team Bullet Train]] resulted in Mega-Octane ordering the Commandos to combine into Ruination for the first time, although the huge robot was soon defeated by [[Rail Racer (RID)|Rail Racer]] and the [[Autobot Brothers]]. {{storylink|Commandos}}

The next mission saw Scourge and the Commandos on guard duty, perhaps as a punishment for their previous failed mission, while the Predacon trio dug under a volcano. The Commandos were relegated to against the [[Spy Changer]]s when they arrived with Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Volcano}} In an attempt to restore themselves in Megatron's eyes, they hatched a new plan to launch [[Movor]] into space to try to track the Autobots to their lair. With mounting irritation, Mega-Octane led his team from target to target, none of them the Autobot base, until they were eventually led into a trap. {{storylink|Attack from Outer Space}}

[[Image:The Test Meeting.jpg|right|200px|thumb|[[Scale|My toy is not this tall.]]]]
Mega-Octane soon came up with a new plan to find the Autobot base — the Decepticons would pretend to switch sides. He met with Optimus Prime under a white flag, claiming that the Decepticons had rediscovered their Autobot nature and no longer followed Megatron. The Autobot brothers subjected the six Decepticons to test after test to prove their loyalty, with Mega-Octane barely keeping Scourge's temper in check. Unfortunately, right on the verge of success, Scourge gave the plan away and the Decepticons were forced to retreat. {{storylink|The Test (episode)|The Test}}

A new plan was hatched which involved attacking power plants. The Autobots were hampered by the misguided assistance of Sky-Byte, but seemed to repel most of the Decepticon assaults. {{storylink|The Fish Test}} The Decepticons subsequently butted in on one of Sky-Byte's plans, stealing a disk supposedly containing the plans to the Autobots' [[Global Space Bridge]] which the Predacons were trying to obtain. Unfortunately it was an Autobot trick, and both the Decepticons and Predacons ended up in a sewer. {{storylink|Wedge's Short Fuse}}

Annoyed by the Autobots' constant escapes through the Global Space Bridge, the Decepticons tracked one of the [[Build Team]] to the space bridge control center, allowing them to break in and sabotage the controls, sending any Autobots using the space bridge to a random destination. Mega-Octane remained in the control center while Scourge joined Megatron at the North Energy Research Center, and the other Commandos caused havoc in other parts of the city to draw the Autobots away. When the Autobots discovered the sabotage, the Commandos attempted to prevent them reaching the control center but were fought off. {{storylink|Landfill (episode)|Landfill}}

[[Image:A Test of Metal Megaoctane vehicle.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Two guns are better than one!]]
The Commandos made another attempt to please Megatron, stealing energy from a power plant, only to have it swiped by the [[Build Team]] while they were busy fighting Rail Racer. Annoyed, the Decepticons began to randomly attack construction vehicles in order to draw the Build Team out. Eventually the Build Team learned of the attacks and faced the Commandos, defeating Ruination. {{storylink|A Test of Metal}}

The Decepticons again attempted to curry favour with Megatron by intercepting Optimus Prime to obtain the [[O-Part|O-Parts]], but were ultimately unsuccessful. {{storylink|Sky-Byte Saves the Day}} After a semi-successful attempt to raid an oil refinery, Scourge and Mega-Octane leaked a transmission ordering Sky-Byte to look for O-Parts in order to lead the Autobots into an ambush. Instead of the expected Autobots, they were confronted by [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Ultra Magnus]]. They attempted to fight the newly-arrived Autobot, but retreated after Optimus Prime arrived to lend a hand. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus (episode)|Ultra Magnus}} Back at [[Megastar|base]], they watched Movor's surveillance of Ultra Magnus beating down Optimus, and Megatron demanded of them to know why one Autobot had done what the Decepticons had failed to do. They were able to track Sky-Byte to the island on which Optimus was recuperating after the battle and mount an attack, but were chased off once again when Optimus and Ultra Magnus merged into [[Omega Prime]]. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus: Forced Fusion!}}

The Decepticons interrupted another of Sky-Byte's plans in order to kidnap the Autobot Brothers. With the three brothers as hostages, the Decepticons led Optimus into a trap and fought the Autobot leader savagely. They were again seen off after Magnus rescued the brothers. {{storylink|The Two Faces of Ultra Magnus}} Seeing an opportunity, Scourge met with Ultra Magnus to persuade the Autobot to join him against both Optimus Prime and Megatron. When Magnus turned him down, Scourge and the Commandos turned on him, only to end up fighting the three Autobot Brothers instead. {{storylink|Power to Burn!}}

[[Image:Koji Gets His Wish Megaoctane.jpg|right|200px|thumb|You see how awesome this sticker is?]]
With information extracted from Doctor Onishi, the Decepticons were led to venture beneath [[Metro City]], following the tunnels to find a huge underground cavern housing Fortress Maximus. After fighting the Autobots, Maximus' defences forced them to retreat. {{storylink|Fortress Maximus (episode)|Fortress Maximus}} While Scourge undertook a mission to find Maximus, the Commandos kept Rail Racer busy as Ruination. {{storylink|Koji Gets His Wish}}

The Decepticons attempted unsuccessfully to prevent the Autobots from finding the rest of the O-Parts {{storylink|A Friendly Contest}} and were led by Megatron to the Sahara, where the Autobots were looking for the [[Orb of Sigma]]. Despite breaching the pyramid in which the Orb was stored, they were unable to prevent the Autobots from making off with it, and Megatron himself was lost. {{storylink|Peril from the Past}}

With Scourge now leading, the Decepticons tracked the Autobots to a temple, where [[Cerebros (RID)|Cerebros]] was recovered. Mega-Octane warned Scourge that they might not be able to command Cerebros, but Scourge was confident that the Autobot portion of his bio-signature would be sufficient. Sure enough, Cerebros led them to Maximus' hiding place and activated the giant robot. Once activated, Scourge was unable to control Maximus, and the Decepticons were forced to retreat. {{storylink|Maximus Emerges}}

[[Image:Human Element Megaoctane.jpg|left|200px|thumb|What? Nothing! Mind your business!]]
With the return of Megatron with a new form and name, Galvatron, Scourge made a few more attempts to control Fortress Maximus, eventually giving away the fact that he was betraying Galvatron. Furious, Galvatron reprogrammed absolute loyalty into all six of the Decepticons and put them under Sky-Byte's command. They were soon led into a trap. {{storylink|Surprise Attack!}} Despite their proven loyalty, Galvatron sent the Decepticons into the Global Space Bridge after the Autobots, then flooding the tunnel with molten lava to kill two birds with one stone. {{storylink|Galvatron's Revenge}} The Decepticons, like the Autobots, survived but contributed little to the ensuing battle. After Galvatron's eventual defeat at the hands of [[Omega Prime]], the Decepticons were taken aboard Fortress Maximus to the asteroid prison colony. {{storylink|The Final Battle (RID)|The Final Battle}}
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==Toys==
===Robots in Disguise===
[[Image:RID Dolrailer MegaOctane toys.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"One Of These Just Doesn't Belong..."]]
*'''Mega-Octane''' (Deluxe, 2000/2001)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''D-010'''
**''Accessories'': Rifle, chestplate, Ruination parts (head, chestplate, left & right fists, left & right footplates)

: A [[retool]] of the ''[[Generation 1 (toyline)|Generation 1]]'' [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] toy, Mega-Octane transforms into a flatbed truck and trailer with a twin-barreled cannon. The twin-barreled cannon has a hole to store his large rifle in vehicle/base mode as well as his retooled ramp (which can also be held in his hand as a shield) in robot or combined mode. The backpack also retains the smaller hole from the Generation 2 tooling of the toy. You can use that to store the small weapons from the other members of Ruination if you want. Why not? If you don't want to store Mega-Octane's gun in the post hole you can also use the rectangular pegs on the backpack to hold (upside down) the rifle by its targeting sight. The Hasbro version also has the channeling in the twin-barreled cannon filled in, probably for aesthetic reasons.

:Mega-Octane's gun was also retooled so that one of the holes on the side of the rifle goes right through and the other has been partially filled. This was done to allow Armorhide and Movor's pistols to peg into the gun for a super mode. Of course the holes were the right size to do this on the original [[Sonic stun-gun]]... so... uhh... at least this time it's an official feature.

: As the toy uses the [[Scramble City]] style of connection, he can form the torso to any combination of similar robots, though naturally he is normally the torso to the combined robot [[Ruination (RID)|Ruination]]. He also came with the combiner [[kibble]] to Ruination.

: He was first released as part of the [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] ''Car Robots'' line in 2000. In 2001, [[Hasbro]] released the toy as part of the ''Robots in Disguise'' series. There are several very noteworthy differences between the two. The Takara version uses a very light olive-green base plastic, mustard-gold plastic for the robot chest, cannons and combiner kibble, plus the black-and-gold camouflage is sometimes done as metallic decals, one of which has the old [[Commando|Combatron]] symbol on it. The Hasbro version uses a much darker green plastic, silver-gray chest/cannon/kibble plastic, muddy-tan-and-black camo (in the same pattern), uses no decals (leaving those areas blank), and has a Decepticon insignia on the truck roof. Additionally, Hasbro shortened the length of Mega-Octane's rifle, and all subsequent releases of this toy from Hasbro or Takara/[[Sonokong]] used this version of the tooling.

: This mold was also used to make [[Great Cannon]].

*'''Valdigus''' (Multi-pack, 2000)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''D-011'''

: In Japan, Mega-Octane/Dolrailer was also made available as part of a complete team multi-pack with his teammates [[Armorhide (RID)|Armorhide]], [[Movor]], [[Rollbar (RID)|Rollbar]] and [[Ro-Tor (RID)|Ro-Tor]]. All toys were identical to their individual Japanese releases, but the set only came with a bio card for the combined form.

[[Image:RID MegaOctane Urbancamo toy.jpg|right|150px|thumb|"Boombox and Spinners Not Included"]]
*'''Ruination''' (Ultra, 2003)

: The entire Commando team was redecoed in various shades of gray with "urban camo" patterns as part of a Wal-Mart [[exclusive]] gift set, oddly released well after the end of the ''Robots in Disguise'' line. Movor was also slightly [[Retool|retooled]], blunting his nosecone significantly.

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===Universe===
*'''Ruination''' (Ultra, 2004)

: The entire Ruination team was redecoed ''again'' to make ''another'' Wal-Mart exclusive set (why?), this time with a unified "desert camo" theme under the ''[[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' banner. It came out at the same time as five ''other'' Wal-Mart ''Transformers'' exclusives, which led to a glut. Ruination seemed a particularly slow mover in this batch.

==Footnotes==
<references />

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Decepticon/Mega-Octane/mega-octane.htm Mega-Octane at TFU.info]

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[[Category:Decepticons]]
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[[Category:Wal-Mart exclusives]]

Devastator (ROTF)

2009-09-19T21:44:24Z

Onslaught Six: /* Supreme Class toys */

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:''Devastator is a [[Decepticon]] [[Combiner]] from the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen franchise]] in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:ROTF_Devastator_promo.jpg|thumb|400px|[[City of Steel|King Kong]] ain't got nothin' on me!]]

Whether he's formed from six or seven [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]]s, '''Devastator''' is a giant among giants. He is in fact so huge that his body simply cannot support itself when carrying his weight upright, forcing him to lumber on all fours.

Devastator is a tormented being, his very formation wracking his component Constructicons with pain and stressing them to the breaking point both physically and mentally. The imperfect fusion process produces a mind that's very much less than the sum of its parts; rage and pain are all he knows, pushing aside whatever intelligence he might possess. Devastator relies on almost pure instinct in battle.

Devastator is named after [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron's]] unwithstandable and terrifyingly destructive [[Devastator Winds]], due to his intimidating strength. Devastator can also create powerful gravity wells by generating an artificial [[black hole]] with his [[Vortex Grinder]], located in his mouth.<ref>Devastator's [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/Battle-Bios.cfm Battle Bio] at Hasbro.com</ref> Nearby objects are drawn into his gaping mouth to be crushed.

Devastator is made up of:
*[[Scavenger (ROTF)|Scavenger]]
*[[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]]
*[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]
*[[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]]
*[[Overload (ROTF)|Overload]] (Sometimes omitted.)
*[[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]
*[[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]]
{{bigquote|I am Devastator!|—Devastator, "Supreme Class toy voice box"}}

==Fiction==
===''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie===
:Voice actor: [[Frank Welker]] (English), [[Yasuyoshi Hara]] (Japanese)
[[Image:ROTF Devastator Bay clip.jpg|thumb|left|300px|No! Bad dog! Drop the Autobot! Drop it!]]

Upon arrival in [[Egypt]], the Constructicons that made up Devastator combined and attacked [[Leo Spitz]], [[Seymour Simmons]], [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]], and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]]. It rampaged through the construction facility, sucking up anything not anchored down, such as sand, cars, and Mudflap. Despite the powerful vacuum, Mudflap held out for a while before being sucked further in. Seeking vengeance, Skids clambered up Devastator for revenge. However, Mudflap had survived, and he blasted a hole through the giant Decepticon's head to climb out before further attacking the combiner and slowing it down.

[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] yelled Devastator's name from atop the [[Great Pyramid of Giza]] to end the twins' distraction. Devastator clambered out the construction pit and grappled his way to the peak of the pyramid, where he used his turbine breath to suck up the stones that hid the [[solar harvester]] inside. By this point, Simmons had made his way to the pyramid, and he radioed a nearby navy ship to fire its experimental [[Wikipedia: Railgun|railgun]], which had been developed based on studies of Megatron during his captivity at [[Hoover Dam]]. The gun's blast hit Devastator, blasting off an arm and making him lose his balance, causing him to shatter into many pieces as his body tumbled down the pyramid. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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==Games==
===''Revenge of the Fallen'' - The Game===
====''Revenge of the Fallen'' - The Game (Xbox 360/Sony PS3/PC)====
=====Autobot campaign=====
[[Image:ROTFgame_360PS3PC_Devastatorbattle.jpg|thumb|300px|Don't think about how out of scale the limbs are...and lets sink in the awesomeness of this picture.]]

After the Autobots defeated Megatron and [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], the Decepticons' ultimate weapon, Devastator, was unleashed upon [[Cairo]]. [[William Lennox|Major Lennox]]'s [[NEST]] forces as well as the local military were unable to hold back the titanic Decepticon, and were relegated to a supporting role once the Autobots arrived in the city. However, NEST helicopters provided invaluable assistance by laser-painting critical weapons subsystems for the Autobots to attack, such as his back-mounted missile launchers, his hip-mounted cannons and his arm-mounted guns, before they could attack his head-mounted armored node. Once the node was breached, Devastator collapsed in the streets of Cairo. {{Storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)}}
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==Toys==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class toys====
[[Image:ROTF Devastator ezcollectiondx.jpg|right|300px|thumb|The one you will actually buy.]]
*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Legends, 2009)

:Like the on-screen combiner, but unlike the Supreme class Devastator toy, the Legends class Devastator comprises seven Constructicons, including the elusive [[Overload (ROTF)|Overload]], each with individual robot modes. Because of this, he is a lot more complex then the Supreme class toy, with a more "layered" look his movie counterpart had. Devastator is (roughly) Deluxe sized wile standing up. The only real drawback he has is that he almost has no articulation. But hey, you can't have everything, right?

:In [[Hasbro]]'s markets, Devastator will be available as a store-[[exclusive]] set, while in [[Japan]] the Constructicon team members are available individually. It is to note that unlike the usual EZ collection toys, the Constructicons are not blind packed but packed in much the same way as Hasbro Legends class releases.

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====Supreme Class toys====
[[Image:ROTF Devastator combiner toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Actually movie accurate... [[Overload (ROTF)|NOT.]]]]
*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-16'''

:Devastator is formed from the combination of six transforming construction vehicle toys that do not have individual robot modes. Unlike [[Duocon|prior]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada) toys#Energon|cases]] of this format, Devastator's vehicles represent separate Transformers, and [[Rampage (ROTF)|some]] [[Long Haul (ROTF)|of]] [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|them]] have other non-combiner toys, that ''do'' have robot modes. Despite the figure's complex appearance, the limbs' transformations into combined mode are rather simple.

[[Image:ROTF_Supreme_Devastator_japanese.jpg|thumb|left|150px|You've got red on you.]]

:His electronics are all in the Mixmaster component. Pressing the button makes Devastator's mouth open and activates voice clips and engine sounds, as well as green lights in his mouth and eyes. However, the button trigger is so sensitive that he ''never shuts up.''

:Devastator himself has a lot of details, but the individual Constucticons lack paint applications and detail; thus they look kind of generic.

:The Japanese [[TakaraTomy]] release of this figure has extra paint applications on Devastator's face, for a better resemblance to the final CG model.

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====Mega Power Bots====
[[Image:ROTF MegaPowerBots Devastator.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not a Power Rangers Megazord.]]
*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (2009)

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==Merchandise==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Burger King====
[[Image:ROTFMerchandise-BurgerKingDevastator.jpg|right|200px|thumb|What? No wrecking ball testicles? LAME. ]]
*'''Constructin' Devastator''' (2009)
:Burger King Devastator consists of five parts — a head and body, and simplified versions of the vehicle modes for Long Haul, Scrapper, Rampage and Hightower, which connect to the torso on [[ball joint]]s. The generic connectors mean that they can be attached in any configuration, however the intended layout is marked with letters from A to D. The ball joints are loose enough to allow limited articulation.
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====RPMs - Robot Powered Machines====
=====Track Set=====
[[Image:ROTF RPM Devastator Showdown Playset.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Devastator transforms into a snake.]]
*'''Devastator Showdown''' (2009/unreleased)
**'''Includes:''' [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] [[Mini-Vehicle]].

:The Devastator Showdown track set is a [[retool]] of the ''Indiana Jones'' race track. This playset is compatible with the other Hot Wheels-like miniature cars. It fires the car on a track to an area that (when a car goes over it) releases a boulder and the Devastator head lights up and makes sounds. The boulder will follow the car down the track until the tracks stop.

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====Robot Heroes====
*'''Desert Devastation''' (Multi-pack, 2009)

[[Image:rotf_desertdevastation_rh.jpg|right|thumb|300px|D'awwwvstator.]]

:"Desert Devastation" Devastator is a super-sized ''[[Robot Heroes]]'' figure, at least twice as big as other toys in the line. He is only available in a multi-pack with [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] in their vehicle modes and [[William Lennox]].

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==Notes==

{{quote|[[Steven Spielberg|Spielberg]] saw [Devastator] and said, 'This is (expletive) awesome!' It's always nice when you can make him swear.|[[Michael Bay]]|"[http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-04-01-transformers-first-look_N.htm First look: Robo-brawlers big, small in new 'Transformers']" in ''USA Today'' ([[April 3]], [[2009]])}}

* In the film, none of Devastator's components are shown as individual Transformers. This might vaguely justify why the components of his Supreme class toy lack individual robot modes.

* Devastator's final CGI head differed from that used for his promotional images, including more red parts, more pronounced horns, and a trio of throat gears lit like a furnace, instead of a single, complex vortex machine that is lit green like his eyes.

* In the film there is an ''eighth'' vehicle that forms Devastator! A yellow excavation truck is seen unfolding and is then scooped up by Devastator's left arm that has been formed by Hightower. This means two things: it explains why Devastator's left arm has scoops on it while Hightower's vehicle mode has no such equipment, and also that none of the Devastator toys are movie-accurate.

* Another dump truck lines up next to the bulldozer that forms his left hand, though it is not shown where it goes.

* Devastator is made up of 52,632 geometric pieces and 11,716,127 polygons. The total length of all the pieces is 13.84 miles. <ref>Robertson, Barbara (2009). Weighty Matters. Computer Graphics World, 32(7), 20-29</ref>

* Devastator is made up of 6467 total textures, taking up 32 gigabytes of computer space. <ref>Robertson, Barbara (2009). Weighty Matters. Computer Graphics World, 32(7), 20-29</ref>

* When Devastator punches the pyramid, its hand is traveling at 390 miles per hour. <ref>Robertson, Barbara (2009). Weighty Matters. Computer Graphics World, 32(7), 20-29</ref>

* Devastator's got [[Humanization#Questionable body parts|brass balls]]. Exactly ''how'' is pretty questionable, as none of his components have wrecking balls as part of their alt-modes; even the crane Hightower appears to have a standard hook. When Hasbro was asked if there ever will be a Devastator toy with wrecking balls, they replied straight out "no".

* According to Shawn Kelly, the lead animator, Devastator caused a computer to spontaneously catch fire and its insides to melt. <ref>Nickelodeon Magazine, issue 153, published June 2009</ref>

==References==
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[[Category:Constructicons]]
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Talk:Hasbro Q&A/July 2009

2009-08-11T20:02:40Z

Onslaught Six:

It's looking a lot like Hasbro adamantly refuses to give even a perfunctory non-answer to any question that implies controversy, unsuitability, or anything similar regards the Movie universe. Something to note for future question-asking, I suppose... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:16, 11 August 2009 (EDT)

{{bigquote|This is evidenced by the fact that some of the Animated characters, such as '''Bulkhead''' and Lockdown, being able to transcend the animation and become part of other lines.|Hasbro, [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/499 TFViews Q&A]}}
Possible hint at a future for Bulkhead beyond Animated?? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:31, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
::I hope so. I feel especially proud because we asked that question! [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 16:01, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
:::In fact, I think *I* originally proposed that one. Points to me. [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 16:02, 11 August 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Hasbro Q&A/July 2009

2009-08-11T20:01:52Z

Onslaught Six:

Hasbro Q&A/July 2009

2009-08-11T12:36:33Z

Onslaught Six: Added TFViews and ActionFigs.com.

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Question archive, and links to the answers from, the July 2009 Hasbro Q&As.

==Questions==
===ActionFigs.com===
# What is the philosophy behind which characters get turned into leader-class figures? Why do Starscream and Brawl get leader-class figures while stuff like Bonecrusher, Blackout/Grindor, or The Fallen do not? What does the decision-making process there look like? And what can fans who want some of those to get made do to persuade Hasbro to go for it?
# While we have now heard and understand why Hasbro didn't produce ROTF Constructions that both combined and transformed (although there are still fans who disagree with your reasons), there still remains other questions being asked about these guys. Why produce only 4 of the significant ROTF Constructicons as individual figures yet leave out others like Scrapper and Hightower? And how did such seemingly non-toyetic robot designs like one with only a head and arms and wheels with no body or another with a 'jackhammer' uni-leg come about when, even for the movie aesthetic, they are pretty far out there for a movie basically about a toy line?
# Comparing the 2007 movie line's "Automorph" concept to the ROTF line's "Mech Alive" concept, it seems like Mech Alive comes up pretty short. Not only does Mech Alive seem not as dynamic or fun, but largely there is a sense that the whole thing doesn't even fully deliver on the concept except on 1 figure (voyager-class Starscream), either because of underwhelming features (Breakaway's spinning gatling gun, Skids & Mudflap's moving chest panels and head-bobbing, Rampage's moving jackhammer pistons Sideswipe's knee armor, Wheelie's faction logos, The Fallen's slide-out energy panels, Megatron's spinning gears), or Mech Alive gimmicks that get packaging mentions but were dropped from the final toys (Sideways' spinning blade and untold left arm gimmick, Chromia's non-existent spinning gears, Starscream's pop-out missile launchers). What does the TF team feel about the matter, do they agree this was a bit of a dropped ball, or are fans not really "getting it"? Will we see Mech Alive continue into TF's future the way Automorph has been carried forward beyond the '07 movie line?

*[http://www.actionfigs.com/index.php?categoryid=21&p2_articleid=2471 ActionFigs.com answers.]

===AllSpark.com===
# How many Human Alliance figures are scheduled for the Revenge of the Fallen toy line? And when you decide to end the Revenge of the Fallen toy line, is there any chance that this fan-popular sub-line will continue? There are still plenty of human and not-so human characters that could use toys. Like Daniel with Arcee, Spike with Hot Rod, or Una and Chak with Transmetal Cheetor!
# After Perceptor and the Insecticons, how many other reissues are planned? Or if there are currently no plans for more reissues, but it's something that you'd like to look into in the future, which figures would you personally like to see reissued in the US market?
# "Revenge of the Fallen" has brought with it a more adult-aimed Transformers, both in terms of toy complexity and the adult humor sprinkled generously throughout the movie. What will this mean for any future toys and fiction--including comics, toy bios and cartoons-- that Hasbro may have planned for the movie continuity? Would a movie continuity cartoon revert back to the more child friendly stories as we've seen with the past few years, or would it keep a flavoring of the adult themes that Michael Bay brought to the films?

*[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=61539 AllSpark.com answers.]

===TFViews.com===
# While many of us understand the need for Hasbro to tighten up on its intellectual property, there are some lingering questions about the ramifications it may have. We get that someone making money off your IP is unacceptable, and we see the difference between that and individuals making their own personal stuff for fun. What about sellers that have sold items with semi-official sanction, such as the Lukis Brothers, will they be grandfathered in based on past precedent (example: the Vector Sigma accessories)? Will Hasbro attempt to fill the void left by now banned fan-company items? Clearly the demand for these items is high enough in collector circles to create the unlicensed cottage industry which Hasbro reasonably feels goes too far, yet you’ve also made clear that there’s no room in the Hasbro market plan for those sorts of collector-oriented extras. So might Hasbro be willing to actively find an appropriate licensee who will be able fit those sorts of complimentary pieces into their own business model?
# With some Transformers figures there are specific elements obviously designed into the item, yet go un-noted in the the marketing materials such as packaging, photos, and instructions - the “undocumented features”. Sometimes these are unfinished and thus understandably left out (such as Universe Galavatron’s walking tank mode). However, others are inexplicably complete and yet go unsaid, such as ROTF Knock-Out’s “wings” (from his removable cowling panels), 2007 Leader-class Brawl’s 2 sound fx buttons, Universe Cyclonus being able to have Nightstick plug onto his forearm in place of his hand, Animated Ratchet designed to accept Lockdown’s EMP Generator accessory, Universe Sideswipe/Sunstreaker’s gun being able to plug into holes on their shoulders, even proper transformations like the backpack height and triangular panels flanking ROTF Sideways’ head. How does the development team feel about these designed features going undocumented? Has Hasbro considered a possible official outlet for ‘correct’ transformations and undocumented features? And does Hasbro keep track of this sort of thing?
# In the current team’s experience, would you discuss any figures that have turned out significantly better or worse than expected? We mean those standout items that the team just wasn’t expecting to succeed or fail for whatever reasons, maybe going from the prototype to production stages something went very wrong or came out ahead of expectations, perhaps a figure that fans were supposed to love but didn’t or that you didn’t think they’d love but they did. And what TF toys for you guys would you revise if you could, and what ones do you consider utterly perfect as their finished products went?

*[http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/499 TFViews.com answers.]

[[Category:Hasbro Q&A]]

Talk:Hasbro Q&A/May 2009: Answers

2009-06-08T19:35:44Z

Onslaught Six: /* Huh. */

==Huh.==
Wow. I have learned nothing. That was like: "Joke." "Misunderstanding." "No." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:40, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:That's PR company polished answers for you. They polish it until all information is scrubbed out. *thumbs up* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:43, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:: Well, we learned that whoever said there was going to be a second wave of the CCG but it was canceled before it was announced was full of fucking shit, so there's that. (Although, if I'm not mistaken about where that info came from, we already ''KNEW'' that...) [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 17:47, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Can we snark about these answers on our front page announcement of the Q&A? Perhaps something about inviting people to be bewildered and mystified. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:50, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Sure, let's throw the whole thing back in Hasbro's face, despite the fact that Monzo worked for a couple weeks to even get us on the Q&A list in the first place. That seems like a logical and rational thing to do. Maybe next time we ask questions that are more likely to get a less-canned response. We've learned by now that questions about future product are pretty much pointless, questions about specific aspects of the manufacturing process or the relationship with retailers are pointless, and that no, they won't tell you where Aaron Archer lives. However, they seem to be more than willing to answer questions about current product, past product where possible, and to generally provide some degree of insight into the design stages of the process. So we tailor our questions accordingly. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 17:57, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::When Hooper of all people is telling you not to snark, you'd best listen.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:58, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Hey dude, it was a joke. *rolls eyes* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:07, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::I'm just saying. Twenty fucking sites ask three questions a pop; even if 90 percent of them come back with canned PR responses, that still leaves 10% useful info, which is kind of the point of the thing in the first place. There's a lot of chaff to sort through, but it's still better than nothing at all (or only getting to ask once a year at BotCon, when there's one or two viable questions trapped around 500 WHEN YOU MAEK NEW SKYYGARY and shit like that, and you'd never get an answer to something like the CCG question, because they couldn't do the necessary legwork) [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 18:14, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::And just because this round was not particularly useful does not mean that some future round will not be. If the questions asked are sideways of useful, so be it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:51, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::This kind of thing is exactly what those of us at TFViews are always going through. The GI Joe fansites got to do Q&As ages before we did, and I watched a *lot* of them make really stupid mistakes with it. A lot of them still do it (HALP PLZ MAKE NEW AIRBORNE I LOVE AIRBORNE) and, on top of that, buttloads of them ask the 'same damned questions as other sites.' [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 18:55, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::You'd be surprised at some non-answers. Last round I asked a question in regards to GIJoe figures that in 1997 were retooled to hinder articulation and I got back this weird comment about how they had to be retooled to preserve articulation... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:50, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

:::::::::Looking at the [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/455 TFViews Q&A] though, the answers boil down to:
:::::::::#"Leader Optimus Prime is awesome!" with an implied side of "Buy it!" ''(there was an interview with the Takara guys who actually ''engineer'' all these toys that was translated by someone at TFW2005 not too long ago and gave a lot more insight into that one, although I don't have the link to hand. Because Takara does the engineering, I'm not even sure that the Hasbro design team is competent to answer that question)''
:::::::::#A straight answer for once, but it's the answer that - given the pattern of [[blastification]] from around the time that change happened - had generally been surmised already
:::::::::#Again, a mostly straight answer, but a shallow one which I'm not sure tells us anything we don't already know (Retailer wants, say, a deluxe-class tank; Hasbro look at the deluxe tank moulds they have handy, then at what characters/colour schemes are likely to sell - with a glance at what trademarks they have/want to renew, of course), and I doubt a more detailed answer would pass the lawyers
:::::::::I agree that TFViews did better than the wiki's questions in that they got two answers - the questions picked here were pretty damn poor, after all - but still... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 00:19, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

:::::Bearing in mind Hooper's comments, I'd say it'd be wise to think back to the RiD/UT era and try to think of questions about all that stuff. It's mostly old enough that it's probably pretty harmless, but recent enough that some of the production team is still around. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:15, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Indeed. We asked a question about the change to Fireblast a few years back, and how it randomly changed back. (Apparently...someone copyrighted Firepower?) [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 21:22, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::You mean [[trademark]]ed. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:55, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Silly Porter C. Powell!
:::::::Can we throw Forrest Lee a lowball question about how the ''Transformer Legends'' anthology fits with the multiverse?
:::::::Or hell, can we ask him if the bartender at Macadams IS Macadam? That's never been confirmed, and "Prime Spark" muddied the waters since the writer seemed ot think that the bartender, like the bouncer, was just a guy who worked there. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:00, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I'm pretty sure the bartender has NEVER been Macaddam. I mean, his deal is he's "never been seen." And the Bartender is all over the friggin' place. (Because, you know, he's the bartender.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:31, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Y'know, I've never really seen continuity questions resolved at these bi-monthly Q&As. Sometimes at conventions, but the website Q&As seem to be more about the toys, the design process, and the occasional trademark question.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 22:03, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::I don't think asking them that could possibly yield any satisfactory resolution. We asked one "meta"-styled continuity / canonicity question last time, and they punted--which is almost certainly for the best. If people validate author intent and Forest says "Legends is canon," then they just have a dilemma between his intent and Cian's intent (and was Forest even on the team when the book was written?). If they validate author intent and Forest says "it isn't," then they've learned nothing more than what Cian said and nothing about our presentation here would change--though on second thought, we might then have to struggle our way around Hasbro walking away from the established multiverse concept of at least the last 6 years, and wouldn't THAT be fun! Meanwhile, if they don't validate author intent, then who cares what he says except perhaps as trivia? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:13, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Plus, admittedly, there's not usually much reason to "spend" Hasbro questions on such things when many of the writers and artists seem willing to answer fan questions on their own anyway, provided you know how to contact them. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:19, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::If we're going to ask Forrest Lee anything, it should be why he decided to completely ignore Animated Sunstorm's cartoon portrayal and just make him a complete ripoff of the Dreamwave portrayal instead. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:39, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:Learned nothing? Unless I'm reading this wrong -- which I must be -- we seem to have learned that Armada Overload is the G1 guy. That's ''insane''. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 00:35, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::F***! You just imploded my brain! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:50, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Come on, it's no stupider than the multiversal singularity crap on the [[Thirteen original Transformers‎]] page. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 01:18, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::Eh, Hasbro has a way of not distinguishing between different universes when they talk about characters like this. To them, Movie Bumblebee is the same as G1 Bumblebee. "In RiD, Hot Shot was this sharpshooter, but for ''Armada'', we made him this sort of stoner kid character." They say stuff like that all the time. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:21, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Though in this case they seem to be explicitly overlooking the ''Armada'' incarnation. It's just, "He used to be a truck, and now he's due for an upgrade." Honestly, I'd say the move from Prime's Bag O' Guns to the Scattorshot mold is, at best, a lateral one in terms of "upgrades." I think they just screwed up the answer, and if someone feels like incorporating the mistake into the canon, at ''best'' you could say that the toy applies to both continuities, while the characters remain separate. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 04:37, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::My understanding of the question and answer was that one particular toy, the Universe release of Overload in 2008, was actually meant to be the G1 Overload, not the Armada Overload. They're still two separate characters, it's just that a toy which we thought was meant to be the Armada guy is actually the G1 guy. (I could be completely wrong, of course!) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:25, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:::: Well, he can't be G1 and not Armada, because his packaging said he was "Armada Series" all the heck over him. That part can't be misunderstood. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:41, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::: I completely disagree. The G1 guy IS the Armada guy, who is also the Universe guy. That would be the "mysterious origins" his Universe box mentions. How does that make sense? Fuck it, blame Unicron. G1 Overload is scooped up by Unicron for the 2003 Universe war. When Unicron implodes as seen in the Club comics, Overload is deposited in the UT, semi-amnesiac, and becomes the Armada guy. (You could even go one step kookier and say the reason his Universe vehicle mode looks like G1 Flak is because of a subconscious memory of his former comrade.) It's total fanfic, but it fits with what we just got. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 07:39, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::::They are just talking about a re-imagining for the "Overload" character. I wouldn't read too much into it. It would be like if they said, "Megatron was a gun in G1 so we thought he was in need of an upgrade, so we made him a helicopter in Animated." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:04, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::No way. This is way way funnier, goddamnit. AND it answers that whole "mysterious origins" aspect rather nicely. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 12:33, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::As fanon as it is, I agree. Hell, we could always ask the guy who did Linkage! [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 15:35, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

==Links==
I'm.... assuming that Monzo added the wikilinks, and Hasbro neither responded with their own nor saw them in our questions? That feels odd to me, like we're not properly representing the exchange. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 04:41, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
: I dunno, man. If anyone is going to embed wiki links into their hasbro q&a submission, it's Monzo. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 07:41, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::The only link embedded in that batch of e-mailed questions was the one to the WotC site. We've added internal wiki-links to all the relevant keywords to every previous Q&A response, so ''now'' seems like an odd time to bring it up... --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 00:54, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I think the reason I'm noticing it now is because it kind of makes Hasbro look extra stupid for misunderstanding the Overload question. If nobody else is bothered by it, then whatevs, but I thought I'd bring it up. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:08, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers The Game (console)

2009-06-05T02:31:35Z

Onslaught Six: New page: Really? Was I the only one who played the PC version? ~~~~

Really? Was I the only one who played the PC version? [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 22:31, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Hook (SG)

2009-06-05T01:56:09Z

Onslaught Six: Hook and Scrapper's articles gave conflicting information. I went with one. You guys decide if it's the right one.

{{factions|sgDecepticon}}
{{disambig3|Hook}}
:''Hook is a heroic [[Decepticon]] from the "[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]" universe.''

[[Image:Hook-SG.jpg|right|171px|thumb|Here to sing "When You're In Love With A Beautiful Woman".]]
'''Hook''' fixes people up in a jiffy. He's probably quite pleasant.

==Fiction==
===Shattered Glass===
Hook and [[Scrapper (Shattered Glass)|Scrapper]] affected repairs on the salvaged [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]]. During this time they found numerous anomalies with Cliffjumper's body, indicating he wasn't who they thought he was... and that he might not even be from their universe.

Cliffjumper woke up towards the end of the repair cycle and quickly shoved the pair aside in a bid for freedom. {{storylink|Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass}}

==Trivia==
* Hook and Scrapper's coloring is probably based on the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] - [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] and [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] in particular.

[[Category:Comic-only characters]]
[[Category:Decepticons]]
[[Category:Medics]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass characters]]

Talk:Hasbro Q&A/May 2009: Answers

2009-06-05T01:22:44Z

Onslaught Six:

Wow. I have learned nothing. That was like: "Joke." "Misunderstanding." "No." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:40, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:That's PR company polished answers for you. They polish it until all information is scrubbed out. *thumbs up* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:43, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:: Well, we learned that whoever said there was going to be a second wave of the CCG but it was canceled before it was announced was full of fucking shit, so there's that. (Although, if I'm not mistaken about where that info came from, we already ''KNEW'' that...) [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 17:47, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Can we snark about these answers on our front page announcement of the Q&A? Perhaps something about inviting people to be bewildered and mystified. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:50, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Sure, let's throw the whole thing back in Hasbro's face, despite the fact that Monzo worked for a couple weeks to even get us on the Q&A list in the first place. That seems like a logical and rational thing to do. Maybe next time we ask questions that are more likely to get a less-canned response. We've learned by now that questions about future product are pretty much pointless, questions about specific aspects of the manufacturing process or the relationship with retailers are pointless, and that no, they won't tell you where Aaron Archer lives. However, they seem to be more than willing to answer questions about current product, past product where possible, and to generally provide some degree of insight into the design stages of the process. So we tailor our questions accordingly. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 17:57, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::When Hooper of all people is telling you not to snark, you'd best listen.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:58, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Hey dude, it was a joke. *rolls eyes* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:07, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::I'm just saying. Twenty fucking sites ask three questions a pop; even if 90 percent of them come back with canned PR responses, that still leaves 10% useful info, which is kind of the point of the thing in the first place. There's a lot of chaff to sort through, but it's still better than nothing at all (or only getting to ask once a year at BotCon, when there's one or two viable questions trapped around 500 WHEN YOU MAEK NEW SKYYGARY and shit like that, and you'd never get an answer to something like the CCG question, because they couldn't do the necessary legwork) [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 18:14, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::And just because this round was not particularly useful does not mean that some future round will not be. If the questions asked are sideways of useful, so be it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:51, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::This kind of thing is exactly what those of us at TFViews are always going through. The GI Joe fansites got to do Q&As ages before we did, and I watched a *lot* of them make really stupid mistakes with it. A lot of them still do it (HALP PLZ MAKE NEW AIRBORNE I LOVE AIRBORNE) and, on top of that, buttloads of them ask the 'same damned questions as other sites.' [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 18:55, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

:::::Bearing in mind Hooper's comments, I'd say it'd be wise to think back to the RiD/UT era and try to think of questions about all that stuff. It's mostly old enough that it's probably pretty harmless, but recent enough that some of the production team is still around. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:15, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Indeed. We asked a question about the change to Fireblast a few years back, and how it randomly changed back. (Apparently...someone copyrighted Firepower?) [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 21:22, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Talk:The Many Faces of Optimus Prime

2009-06-05T00:54:35Z

Onslaught Six: New page: How much of this is snark, and how much is verbatim from the book/poster? Because a lot of it's confusing, like the bit about BM--Primal and the Maximals supposedly killed? What? And the G...

How much of this is snark, and how much is verbatim from the book/poster? Because a lot of it's confusing, like the bit about BM--Primal and the Maximals supposedly killed? What? And the G1 proper section mentions that BW Megatron actually 'affected G1?' This is confusing and wrong, so I can only hope it's someone trolling the page... [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 20:54, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

File:MoviePrequel1 Arcee Bumblebee.jpg

2009-06-05T00:38:47Z

Onslaught Six:

[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], [[Inferno (Movie)|Inferno]] and their squad hold the line at [[Tyger Pax]]. Panel from [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''Transformers Movie Prequel'' "[[Prime Directive (IDW) issue 1|Prime Directive issue 1]]".

*'''Script:''' [[Simon Furman]] & [[Chris Ryall]]
*'''Pencils & Inks:''' [[Don Figueroa]]
*'''Colours:''' [[Josh Burcham]]
*'''Letters:''' [[Robbie Robbins]]

{{comicinterior}}

{{C}} IDW Publishing & Hasbro, 2007.

Transformers (Titan Magazine)

2009-06-05T00:37:39Z

Onslaught Six: /* Artist "consistency" */

[[Image:Tf mag 01 2007.JPG|right|200px|thumb|I dunno, I think you could fit some more text on that cover...]]
'''''Transformers''''' (rebranded '''''Transformers Universe''''' from issue #22-25, then '''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen''' with Vol.2 #1) is an ongoing monthly magazine published in the United Kingdom by [[Titan Books|Titan Magazines]]. It ties in to the [[Transformers (2007)|2007 film]] and features a mix of original comic strips, reprinted strips by [[IDW Publishing]], and regular features and competitions. It is over 50 pages long each month.

Titan picked up the rights to a Transformers comic in 2005 after Panini, publishers of [[Armada (Panini comic)|the short-lived UK Armada comic]], allowed it to lapse. Titan sat on it, reasoning "bugger [[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]], let's wait for the upcoming film and make £££££s!". Work began on it in October 2006, though all information on the film was top secret ''even for Titan'' until IDW's movie comics began.

According to Steve White, Transformers was seen as "the big one", the title that would get Titan Magazines the attention and kudos of the UK comic industry. [http://fractalmatter.com/main/?p=671] It seemed to succeed, selling enough to get ''original cover art'' after #6, quite a height in the UK licensed comic market. It's already the longest running UK Transformers comic since [[Marvel Comics|Marvel's]]!

The April edition of Previews UK revealed that the comic will be rebooting from #1 in June 2009, just in time for the second film, and #25 of the first run confirmed this with a breathless "TF:UK gets an '''EXTREME''' makeover!!!" blurb. Unfortunately, it's also going back to stock-photo covers (sob!). Titan have previously rebooted their ''[[Star Wars]]'' comic every so often to bump sales, most recently at the start of the Clone Wars cartoon.

Titan started running a [[Transformers Animated (Titan)|Transformers Animated sister title]] from 23rd October 2008, though unfortunately it didn't make £££££s and died after issue 3.

Titan produces digest-sized collections of the UK strips under the title ''Transformers Adventures''; two have come out with a third upcoming. IDW reprinted the first eight issues' worth of strips in the United States in late 2008 as a four-issue miniseries, under the title ''[[Saga of the Allspark]]'', as a tie-in to Reign of Starscream [http://ryalltime.blogspot.com/2008/03/transfourmers.html]

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|| [[Transformers Comic Vol2 issue 1|#1]] | [[Transformers Comic Vol2 issue 2|#2]] | [[Transformers Comic Vol2 issue 3|#3]] |
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==Comic strip==
[[Image:Movie Devastator TitanIssue2.jpg|left|180px|thumb|I AM THE GOD OF HELLFIRE AND I BRING YOU...]]
Opening each issue is a 11-page original comic strip (10-page before #13). These are written by [[Simon Furman]] and illustrated by a mix of artists, many of whom have been seen on other Transformers comics — [[Geoff Senior]], [[Nick Roche]], [[Staz]] and [[Guido Guidi]].

===Prequels and sequels===
Issues #1–6 were set before the film and were based on specific characters, filling in details of the war and characters (like [[Brawl (Movie)|Devastator]]) who were not given much development in the film. The first two strips, starring [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], tied in to the [[Movie Prequel|IDW prequel comic]] in the same way [[Marvel UK]]'s stories tied in to the Marvel U.S. series. At the end of #2, four of the characters had been scattered across the galaxy and #3–6 focused on their solo adventures on alien worlds. They also featured characters from the toyline, such as [[Clocker (Movie)|Clocker]], in secondary-character roles.

Issues #7–8 were set immediately after the [[Mission City]] battle in the film, dealing with leftover plot elements like [[Scorponok (Movie)|the whereabouts of Scorponok]].

===Alternate universe===
[[Image:TwilightsLastGleaming1.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Bloody foreigners, coming over here, taking our jobs...]]

For issues #9–13, the strip featured an alternate reality story, ''Twilight's Last Gleaming'', where the [[Decepticon]]s won in the film. This has a sizeable cast, covering both characters from the film, as well as ones who only had toy [[bio]]s like [[Elita-One]]. It opened with [[Sam Witwicky]] already dead, Optimus Prime missing in action (later found to be offline) and the Decepticons [[cyberforming]] the Earth. The resolution had Megatron dead (with Starscream usurping command) and the All Spark destroyed.

Rather than just being a 5-part divergence, this alternate reality rolled on into the second year of the title and lasted until #25, the end of the first series. This was intended to allow Titan to do pretty much whatever they wanted with the cast and universe without having to worry about the plot of the second film. [http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/script-wrap-%e2%80%94-uk/]

In this second year, the Autobots had to handle the ''aftermath'' of an Earth-shattering story, something that had not been done before. Storylines included the Decepticons deliberately preventing America from rebuilding, Jazz being reborn as an amoral villain, a second group of Decepticons under [[Stockade (Movie)|Stockade]], and [[Transformers Comic issue 18|then]] a [[Unicron|very big twist]]. The central plotline involved Earth's slow, destructive demise from the aborted cyberforming of Twilight's Last Gleaming, before being replaced with the [[Decepticon Heartland]] and Starscream's manipulation of [[Theodore Allen|the American government]].

The alternate universe ended with a three-parter called Revolution, beginning in #23, that pitted the Autobots and Stockade's Decepticons against an all-out conquest attempt by Starscream and tied up ''most'' of the loose ends. The last shot of the alternate universe was [[Mikaela Banes]] and [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] driving off into the sunset, awwww!

===Transformers Animated===

Issue 17 featured a 6 page Animated story written by Furman, written to promote the spin-off. Unsurprisingly, it featured [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]].

When the spin-off buggered off into cancellation, Transformers began printing the leftover strips from #23 to #25[http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/tf-animated-uk-%e2%80%94-flies-again/]. The first and third were done as "pull-out" comics. By the second, it had began to diverge from the Season 2 continuity... which will never be followed up. Doh!

===Artist "consistency"===

[[Image:Titan22 Arcee.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Hi, I'm Arcee!]]

Titan has, by this point, become infamous for inconsistency in the movie strip art. For reasons unknown, instead of using one or two artists it uses ''hordes'' of them (plus a few inkers and colourists), none ever doing more than one issue in a row. Different artists have different styles and, not to put too fine a point on it, have different ideas of how many of the Movie design's fiddly bits they want to draw.

But then there's other issues like:

* [[Elita-One]] started out looking just like her toy, but by her second strip her head was being altered to resemble [[Elita One|the G1 Elita]] (either to differentiate her from Arcee or as deliberate homage). How ''much'' her head resembles Elita One differs depending on artist... and in #14 and #16, she has the toy's head again!

[[Image:Titan13 Arcee.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Hi, I'm Arcee!]]

* [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] constantly alternates between being drawn like her movie design or like her Scout-class toy (only not blue).

* Andrew Wildman drew Ratchet looking like the white, face-plated Cybertronian Ratchet in [[Prime Directive (IDW) issue 1|Prime Directive issue 1]], which was reprinted in Wildman's issue. Unfortunately, in the issue immediately before, Nick Roche had drawn Ratchet looking ''exactly like'' his movie self!

* Colouring is fluid for many characters and sometimes entirely wrong: [[Armorhide (Movie)|Armorhide]] has been green and [[Armorhide (Cybertron)|white-and-blue]], Starscream has been both grey and bronze, Thundercracker has been blue and black...

* Poor [[Theodore Allen]] changes hair, age, and build in seemingly every appearance.

It appears model sheets aren't being used...

==Regular features==
* '''Autobot vs Decepticon Smackdown''' — last seen in #5 (as "Human VS Decepticon Smackdown"), this pitted two characters against each other and gave a list of their strengths and weaknesses. The outcome of the fight was left up to the reader to decide. This feature saw a return in #20 as '''Beast Wars Battlefield''', pitting [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] against a real Tyrannosaurus.
* '''Top Gear''' — this section provided competitions to win Transformers merchandise, as well as [[To sell toys|telling readers about awesome new stuff it'd be cool to have]].
* '''Character Profiles''' — an in-depth description of an individual character's personality, history, abilities and weaknesses. Originally these were taken from ''[[Transformers: The Movie Guide]]'', but from #8 (Bonecrusher) the movie-based ones have been new creations. As of issue 14, the profiles have included ''[[Beast Wars]]'' characters, adapted from [[Beast Wars Sourcebook]].
* '''Star Screams letters page''' — Letters and fan-art from readers, with a prize for the Star Letter. Originally called ''Mech Mail'', readers were invited to write in and say which Transformer they'd like to answer the mail (a [[Letters page (Marvel UK)|traditional]] gimmick) - [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] got the nod. The tone is very over-the-top, with "Starscream" threatening death to readers who like the Autobots, slagging off the other characters, and so forth.
* '''Artobots''' — a special section for readers' fan-art.
* '''[[Posters]]''' — a pull-out poster in the centre pages, sometimes double-sided. Generally it's a poster version of the front cover, though #7, #18 and #19 featured the art of what ''would'' have been a cover but were scrapped/altered at the last minute.
* '''How To Draw...''' — This feature instructs small children how to draw the incredibly fiddly and complicated movie-verse Transformers. "If you found this one a bit difficult to draw... well, it's all part of Megatron's evil plans!" It's also shown how to draw sequential art and cover images. It's noted to not ''actually'' work as a how-to-draw and is generally unworkable.
* '''Bumblebee's Way-Past-Cool Reviews''' - Video game reviews. Which aren't written in Bumblebee's "voice". And aren't way past cool. Or even cool.
* '''Arcee's Soulmates''' - Starting in #20; a small personal's column in ''Star Screams'', with Transformers (all of which are specific characters but go unnamed) putting a lonely-hearts ad out. I am not joking about this.

==Fantastic Free Gift!==
It's a battle-scarred and ancient tactic, known well to British and Irish comic fans: a cheap item stuck to the cover, that is hopefully desirable enough to convince a child to buy the comic. It's been around for decades, but traditionally was placed on the early issues and then on the occasional later ones to cause a short-term sales boost. These days, the UK comics industry is in such a piss-poor state that ''every damn issue'' has to have them - and they're often bulky, which leads to badly-shelved and bent comics in the newsagents - and Transformers is no exception.

[[Image:FREE! Gun.jpg|left|200px|thumb|This issue, FREE!! Micro-Plasform Missile Deploy-vice!]]
Free gifts have included a target-shooting game, Autobot/Decepticon dog tags, a notebook and pen, stickers, a pinball game, sweatbands, and ''many'' [[FREE! Blaster!|toy guns]].

They are always large enough to take up a significant amount of space on the cover they are stuck to, necessitating some pretty ugly graphic layouts that cover the illustrations with text in order to leave a large blank space for the gift to be attached to so it won't obscure anything important. This can often make the covers look ''really freaking bad'' when you take the gift off; a quick perusal of the cover images on their relevant articles will make immediately apparent the frequent emptiness of the bottom left-hand corner in particular.

#23 and #24 had a splashy ''two'' free gifts, both of the extras being ''Animated'' themed. You might think that this was Titan getting rid of gifts they'd had made for the cancelled ''Animated'' comic... and you'd be right, since the promised gift for #25 is the sacred Pencil Pod promised to us in Animated #4 but that never arrived!

According to editor [[Steve White]], coming up with free gifts is "a nightmare for our marketing department, who have no real experience on a more male-orientated older title and have to come up with ideas that don't just rely on some piece of cheap plastic... However, they're constrained as much by money — yes, we'd love to have a [[Minicon]] on the first issue, but we have to get real." [http://transfans.net/interviews_white.php]

==Reprints==
To fill out the pages while keeping costs down, the magazine reprints comics published by [[IDW]]. The reprints are cut into 5–8 pages segments (though one was once 10 pages), deliberately shorter than the UK strip so it's clear which is the primary story.

The reprints so far have included:

* ''[[Movie Prequel|The Movie Prequel]]'': #1–13
* ''[[The Gathering|Beast Wars: The Gathering]]'': #1–13
* ''[[Megatron Origin]]'': #14–25
* ''[[The Ascending|Beast Wars: The Ascending]]'': #14–25

==Audience==
The primary audience of ''Transformers'' is, of course, young children — as well as the features and editorial sections being written in juvenile tones (and the presence of free gifts), the letters page is full of kids sending in their praises, photos of their collections, suggestions for stories, and drawings of their own characters. Steve White has openly admitted it's a "junior" title, though they attempt not to talk down to the audience, citing this as a flaw in the short-lived Panini Armada title.

There is, however, a sizeable minority of older fans and this is openly recognized in both interviews and in the comic itself. This generally does not affect the content, with the exception of a competition in #7 for the ''Best of Simon Furman'' trade, with the question being: [[Death's Head|what robot bounty hunter Furman had made]].

Letters and photos have also shown a sizeable number of female readers of varying ages, which Starscream openly approves of.

==Multi-continuity==
[[Image:IDW Megatron Magmatron.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Transformers Mag — heroically teaching small children that BW Megatron is a badass.]]
While the current focus of the comic is, obviously, the film, the title has been multi-continuity from the start; in #22, the logo was even altered to say "Transformers Universe" rather than "Transformers Robots in Disguise".

Substantial references are made to the ''[[Generation 1]]'' franchise. #1 had a feature on the [[The Transformers: The Movie|animated movie and its DVD]], trades of IDW's comics are promoted and offered as competition prizes, and the odd reference is made to G1 and older fans who may remember it. A poster on [[The Many Faces of Optimus Prime]], running in both #17 and #1 of the Animated title, listed all the versions of Optimus Prime as well as [[Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel]], [[Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Sunbow]], [[IDW continuity|IDW]] and [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Dreamwave]] G1 continuity. A follow-up, The Many Faces of Megatron, was run in #2 of Animated and #19 of this title.

As of #14, it began reprinting the G1 prequel story ''[[Megatron Origin]]'', while informing the young'uns that G1 is a [[Ruined FOREVER|wildly different variation]] of the mythos they know and love.

IDW's [[Beast Wars (comic)#IDW comics|''Beast Wars'' comics]] are one of the main reprints, being chosen by Steve White for marketing reasons as the ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' DVD boxsets were being released at the same time as the film [http://fractalmatter.com/main/?p=671]. The [[Beast Wars (cartoon)|''Beast Wars'' cartoon]] itself had been repeated in full on a loop on Channel five in recent years, making it familiar to the target audience. Young readers in the letter's page have written in mentioning it (and #7 had a fan-art of [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]), Beast Wars character profiles began in #14, and Starscream has alluded that Simon Furman as a [[Maximal]] in the form of "a strategically-shaved ape", especially his head! There have also been two competitions to win the UK ''Beast Machines'' DVD boxsets.

The new [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|''Transformers Animated'' cartoon]] received a minor feature in #10, with further information in subsequent issues to coincide with the show airing on UK satellite TV. In #13 it got a 12-page "Pull Out Special" that contained information, plugged merchandise, and hyped the then-upcoming Animated comic. Since the cancellation of the Animated comic, the leftover strips have begun running in this comic.

==Sales==
Thanks to circulation figures printed in the comic's indicia and online sources, we know the comic's sales in the UK and Eire, as reported to the UK industry group [http://www.abc.org.uk ABC].

The comic's average net circulation in 2007 was over 45,000 (reported from #10). This basically means it was selling more than the [http://tfarchive.com/comics/idw/sales.php average IDW issue] ever had.

[http://bearalley.blogspot.com/2008/08/comic-cuts-british-comics-circulations.html The January to June 2008 sales] showed Transformers' average sales [http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsVALQtGIZM/SKcer_CIbqI/AAAAAAAAGUQ/vVbg7JzAS4A/s1600-h/Circulation+Charts+2008-01.jpg had dropped to 38,733].

The June to December 2008 average sales, by comparison, are reported by ABC to have [http://abcpdfcerts.abc.org.uk/pdf/certificates/15744762.pdf dropped to 24,617]. (''Arrrrg!'') Issue 14 was above the average, #18 and #19 below it. A global recession ''and'' being tied into last year's big film make for wobbly sales.

Sales are expected to bounce up again when the second film comes out.

The sales for #1 of the ''Saga of the Allspark'' reprint series sold 11,417 in the North American direct market [http://tfarchive.com/community/showpost.php?p=622675&postcount=432]; this had dropped to 8,939 by #4. [http://tfarchive.com/community/showpost.php?p=634907&postcount=467]

==External Links==
* [http://www.titanmagazines.com/app?service=external/Product&sp=l919 Titan's webpage]
* [http://www.facebook.com/Transformers-Comic/19522254813#/ Transformers Comic Facebook page]
* [http://fractalmatter.com/main/?p=671 Steve White interview with Fractal Matter]
* [http://transfans.net/interviews_white.php Steve White interview with TransFans.net]

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Scattorshot (Cybertron)

2009-06-04T23:00:34Z

Onslaught Six: /* Cybertron */

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{{disambig3|Scattershot}}
:''Scattorshot is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]] portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:ScattorshotPromo01.jpg|right|234px|thumb|He's a little bit country and a lot techno.]]
A former computer-game programmer, '''Scattorshot''' quickly became [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]'s go-to bot for computer work. But the nervy robot not only doesn't think he's cut out for battle, but believes the mere fact that he's done as well as he has ''in'' battle is just a big setup. He's convinced his good luck will run out on him, and run out at the worst possible moment.

As such, Scattorshot has developed a thing about guns. He likes altmodes with a ''lot'' of them. Maybe with enough firepower, he can prolong that whole karma thing. His companions find him to be a bit pessimistic, but far from hopeless... he may make a great soldier someday if he can just get over that nervousness.

Since gaining a new body and joining the [[Cybertron Defense Team]], Scattorshot has gained more confidence and lost some of his pessimism, now that he has two brothers in arms watching his back. That, and the fact his new body has enough weaponry for him to make his own 'luck'.

:''Japanese name:'' '''Backpack''' (normal), '''Backguild''' (Cybertron Defense)
:''Hungarian name'': '''Sörét''' ("Lead Shot")

==Fiction==
===Cybertron cartoon continuity===
''Voice actor:'' [[Richard Ian Cox]] (English), [[Tarusuke Shingaki]] (Japanese)

{{charstubfiction}}

When Optimus Prime and Scattorshot arrived on [[Earth]], the latter scanned his vehicle mode off of a billboard advertising a war movie. To Prime's surprise, it was a conspicuous military half-track, and berated him for his choice of a disguise. Scattorshot sassed back that Prime's own vehicle mode of a gigantic fire truck armed with huge cannons sure is a good disguise. Then he pretended that Prime had disappeared for the moment, as he was so good at blending in. He finally laid out the advantages of a half-track, such as off-road, all-terrain capability, relatively high speed in difficult conditions and that nobody would ever think to give him a parking ticket.

Prime merely replied "Well... a fire truck is bigger." before quickly driving off. {{storylink|Inferno (episode)|Inferno}}

When [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] appeared inside the Autobot base, Scattorshot charged him but was quickly knocked away. Later he attempted to attack Megatron from behind but hit [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] instead. With the Autobot defeat he accompaned Optimus Prime to [[Earth]]. {{storylink|Fallen (episode)|Fallen}} Once on Earth, Scattorshot showed the Autobots a hologram of their new base, but then changed it due to [[human]] criticism. During the building of the base, he noticed the Decepticons approaching. He then organized the Autobots and humans in the process of stealthing the base. {{storylink|Haven}} From Earth he witnessed [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]]'s attempt to close the [[Unicron Singularity|black hole]] near [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. He then picked up an [[United States Air Force|Air Force]] communication locating [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]]. Optimus goes out to investigate first but when Megatron also shows up Scattorshot arrives as backup. {{storylink|Hidden}} In the search for the Omega Lock, Scattorshot believed they needed to gather information. During another Decepticon attack, he used [[Cyber Key]] Power to attack [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]].

Scattorshot told Bud that he couldn't travel into space, but was eventually convinced by [[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]]. He then took Bud on the [[Space bridge]] up into the sky. Afterward he continued the tour by floating in space inside a giant bubble. A blast then knocked both him and Bud further into space. They were then hit by a satellite and knocked back into Earth's atmosphere. Beginning to burn up, they luckily entered a warp gate created by [[Vector Prime]] and ended up back at the base. {{storylink|Space}} During another encounter with the Decepticons, Scattorshot warned the Autobots that humans were approaching. {{storylink|Speed}} When an earthquake struck, Scattorshot got a fix on its epicenter under a nearby mountain. He then followed Optimus prime to help the humans while keeping a tab on the collapsing moutain remotely. When the Autobots decided to collapse the mountain safely, he blew open the mine shaft. After Optimus sucked up the underground water preventing collapse, he missiled the interior of the moutain to finally collapse it. {{storylink|Collapse}}

===Fun Publications Continuity===
Scattorshot, or one of his counterparts from a tangented continuity, served as an [[Axiom Nexus]] tour guide for [[Jackpot]] and [[Hubcap (G1)|Hubcap]]. We know it at least LOOKS like his original form. {{storylink|Gone Too Far|Gone Too Far}}

===Cyber Key Code content===
Scattorshot didn't just program video games on Cybertron, he also played them. A LOT. Unlike most gamers, his polygon addiction actually came in handy as he used his knowledge of strategy games to help Optimus make plans for fighting the Decepticons.

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==Toys==
===Cybertron===
[[Image:CybScattorshot toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|The goggles, in fact, do nothing.]]
*'''Scattorshot''' (Scout-class, 2004/2005)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''GC-06'''
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles, double-barreled gun, Earth Cyber Key

: Scattorshot transforms into a anti-aircraft halftrack of made-up model. In either mode, he can fire two pressure-launched missiles. When a [[Cyber Planet Key]] is inserted in either mode, a (non-firing) missile rack opens up on his primary weapons turret. He also comes with a secondary double-barreled blaster accessory.

:He also comes with an [[Earth]]-style Cyber Planet Key; the [[Hasbro]] version has the [[Cyber Key Codes|Key Code]] "'''s67k'''" on the back

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[[Image:CD Scattorshot toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Overcompensating?]]
*'''Cybertron Defense Scattorshot''' (Voyager-class, 2005/2006)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''GC-20'''
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles, rifle, Cybertron Autobot Cyber Key

: Cybertron Defense Scattorshot transforms into a [[wikipedia:TOS-1|TOS-1 Buratino]] multiple-launch rocket system. The halves of the (non-firing) launcher end up on his arms in robot mode. In either mode, inserting a Cyber Planet Key in each half reveals a new weapon: one side has a pull-out double spring-loaded missile launcher, while the other has a flip-out non-firing blaster barrel. He also comes with an extra long blue hand-held rifle that can be mounted in tank mode thanks to his [[Mini-Con]]-compatible [[Powerlinx]] plugs.

: The [[Takara]] release has slightly different [[Paint application|paint applications]] for his chest, and his Cybertron Defense/Vanguard Team symbol tampograph is smaller.

: He comes with a [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]-style Cyber Planet Key; the Hasbro version has the Key Code "'''v4kt'''" on the back.

: This mold was also used to make ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Dropshot (Universe)|Dropshot]] and [[Overload (Armada)|Overload]] along with ''[[Timelines]]'' [[Flak]].

===Universe===
*'''Scattorshot''' (Scout, 2007)

: The original Scattorshot toy was one of several ''Cybertron'' Scout-class toys also made available on ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' cardbacks, and sold through discount chains like Kay-Bee Toy Works. This version is unchanged from the ''Cybertron'' release.

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==Trivia==
* According to [[Aaron Archer]] at [[BotCon 2006]], the reason both versions of Scattorshot came with extra blue guns was because both versions had a little more left on the "per item" budget than the normal plans called for, so they added the guns for a little more value.
* In the opening-credit roll call of the Cybertron cartoon series, Scattorshot's name is spelled "Scattershot". This is also the spelling used on his Cyber Planet Key content.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Autobot/Scattorshot/scattorshot.htm Scattorshot at TFU.info]

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[[Category:Cybertron characters]]
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Overload (Armada)

2009-06-04T23:00:02Z

Onslaught Six: /* Universe (2008) */

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{{disambig3|Overload}}
:''Overload is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Overload-armada-cardart.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Hey guys, I'm totally in ''[[Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'', seriously!]]
'''Overload''' is an Autobot powerhouse. On his own, he's strong, massive, and covered with guns and artillery. On top of this, he can combine with [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], forming an enormously powerful set of cannons for the Autobot leader.

Just ''who'' Overload is depends on which universe one is in. Sometimes "Overload" is simply the name used by the [[Mini-Con]] [[Rollout (Armada)|Rollout]] when he combines with his armored trailer. And sometimes the trailer itself is Overload, a separate living entity... who uses someone else to form his robot-mode chest and head.

:''Japanese name:'' '''Ultra Magnus'''

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave comics continuity===
====''Armada'' comic====
[[Image:Jetfireblurrsideswiperhinoxoverload.jpg|left|300px|thumb|I'm in the background a lot.]]
Overload was an Autobot under [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. When the Autobots detected multiple [[space bridge]]s opening at [[Decepticon Command HQ]], causing disruptions in dimensional space, Jetfire led a team of Autobots to the Decepticon base to investigate. When they got there, they found carnage: All of the Decepticon inhabitants had been butchered and mutilated. As they wandered around the base, Overload questioned if they were going the right way, but they were soon attacked by [[Bludgeon (G1)|the mysterious killer]]. Overload pulled the injured Jetfire out of further harm's way before being ordered to transform into vehicle mode to light up the cavernous base (as well as their attacker). After Jetfire emptied his weapons bays, Overload asked Jetfire if they got him, but the situation was bad, as they'd only succeeded in destroying the creature's outer shell. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 3 of 4}}

Once they were in the Master Space-Bridge Nexus of the Decepticon base, the Autobots began setting detonation charges, intending to stop the damage to the fabric of space-time by destroying the Nexus. However, they were attacked, and Overload reported that it might have been their previous assailant, though it was difficult to know what was inside of that shell. Overload was glad to pull out when ordered, as all of his firepower was having little effect their opponent. He was pleased when the Nexus blowed up real good, until they noticed Jetfire was missing. However, both Jetfire and [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] returned in spiffy new colours with spiffy new powers. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 4 of 4}}

Overload was in the command center of [[Autobase (G1)|Autobase: Cybertron]] as the Autobots readied their defenses against [[Unicron]]. {{storylink|The End}}

====''Energon'' comic====
[[Image:Overloadmultiplicity.jpg|right|300px|thumb|]]

Ten years later, during the worldwide [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcon]] assault on [[Earth]], Overload, [[Dropshot (Armada)|Dropshot]], and [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] were stationed at [[Base Site 1]] in [[Canada]]'s [[Yukon Territory]], where their equipment included a planetary shield generator. Base Site 1 had lost contact with [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], which would put the Autobots' countermeasures in jeopardy. While Overload suspected the Terrorcons may have something to do with their problem, Dropshot noted it could just as easily be an equipment malfunction. {{storylink|Multiplicity, Pt. 3}}

The arrival of [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] confirmed Dropshot's theory. Overload and Dropshot were quickly put out of commission, leaving Ironhide alone to face Scorponok... and [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]! {{storylink|No Exit}}
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===Cartoon continuity===
====''Armada'' cartoon====
[[Image:ArmOverloadToon01.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Hey! Over here! Behind the geek and the undead guy!]]
Overload's origin is unknown.

Overload suddenly appeared as a trailer attached to the rear of Optimus Prime's container as the Autobot leader launched himself from the ''[[Axalon (Armada)|Axalon]]''. Faced with the powerful [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]]-possessed clone [[Nemesis Prime (Armada)|Nemesis Prime]], Overload powerlinked with Optimus's super mode to form a pair of massive, shoulder-mounted cannons. Together, Optimus and [[Megatron (Armada)|Galvatron]] destroyed the monstrous marionette. {{storylink|Puppet}}

Later on Cybertron, realizing the threat of Unicron, Optimus Prime attempted to reach out to Galvatron and forge an alliance against the Chaos Bringer. As expected, the Decepticon leader refused, forcing Optimus to powerlink with both Jetfire and Overload to form Jet Magna Convoy. However, in this form he did not engage in battle with the similarly powerlinked Galvatron, instead using his power to lead the Decepticon away from battle. {{storylink|Cramp}}

After the formation of an alliance between the Autobots and Decepticons, Overload, in robot mode, stood behind [[Side Swipe (Armada)|Side Swipe]] and [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Hoist]] during the mission briefing. {{storylink|Alliance (episode)|Alliance}}
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====''Linkage'' comic====
[[Image:LinkageOverload.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Cheesebot Spam-a-lot.]]
Overload, flanked by [[Tidal Wave]] (who happens to form extra artillery for the [[Megatron (Armada)|Decepticon leader]]), engaged the forces of [[Unicron]] with some heavy [[Powerlinx]] artillery, using [[Prowl (Armada)|Prowl]] and [[Kingbolt]] in their pistol modes, plus [[Quench]] in his missile launcher mode. {{storylink|Linkage Part 13}}
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==Toys==
===Armada===
[[Image:ArmadaOverload toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"I'm not really sure ''what'' I transform into, but it's good... right?"]]
*'''Overload with Mini-Con Rollout''' (Max-Con, 2003)
*''Japanese ID number'': '''MC-14'''
*''Accessories:'' 2 missiles

: Overload is a red and black carrier truck capable of carrying [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] in his vehicle mode. His robot mode, in which his [[Mini-Con]], [[Rollout (Armada)|Rollout]], acts as his [[Headmaster (technology)|head]], is a heavily armed robot with a vague resemblance to [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'s [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (thus the Japanese name) such as the gimmick of his shoulders, though it actually (according to [[Joe Kyde|the designer]]) has more details from the [[Action Master]] [[Rollout (G1)|Rollout]]. Overload can be pulled by Rollout in his altmode, [[Optimus Prime (Armada) toys|Optimus Prime]]'s cab, or attached to Optimus's trailer to form a double trailer. Overload can also transform into a dual spring-loaded missile-firing cannon pack for Optimus Prime's super mode (forming '''Optimus Prime Megaweapon'''), and can also attach to Prime's trailer in its "base" mode.

: Inserting Rollout into his chest cavity and pushing it into position to form his chest/head will press against a button, activating the ''Generation 1'' transformation sound effect.

: The Japanese version features slightly more intricate paint applications and a silver face. This version also replaced some of the red plastic with maroon plastic.

: The Overload mold was reused for ''Energon'' [[Ultra Magnus (Energon)|Ultra Magnus]], and was retooled by [[OTFCC]] for ''[[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Sentinel Maximus]] with a new head mold.

[[Image:Armada MagnaConvoyDX1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Some day I'll be more than an accessory!]]
*'''Magna Convoy DX Set''' (Multi-pack, 2003)
*''Accessories:'' 2 missiles

: Overload and Rollout were cast in colored-clear plastics (dubbed "'''Ultra Magnus Special Clear Version'''"), and made available only in a Japanese Toys "R" Us [[Exclusive|exclusive]] multi-pack, coming with Optimus Prime in his "Final Battle Color Version" (aka [[Powerlinx]] colors), [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Corona Sparkplug]], and an [[X-Dimension]] [[redeco]] of the [[Street Action Mini-Con Team (Armada)|Street Action Mini-Con Team]].
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*'''Special Ultra Magnus''' (Max-Con, 2003)
*''Accessories:'' 2 missiles

: 100 samples of this "sky blue" redeco of Overload and Rollout were given away as prizes in a contest from the Japanese ''Tele-V Magazine'' in October 2003.

===Energon===
[[Image:Energon Costco OptimusPrimeOverload.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not yet, but someday! I swear it!]]
*'''Optimus Prime with Mini-Con Corona Sparkplug & Overload with Mini-Con Rollout''' (Multi-pack, 2004)

: For this Costco-[[exclusive]] set, Overload (and Rollout) was redecoed into a predominantly yellow scheme with burgundy accents. He came with a new-deco version of ''Armada'' Optimus Prime and [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]] (who, despite his larger partner's new duds, remained pretty much the same).
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===Universe (2008)===
[[Image:Overloaduniverse2009.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Autonomy at last!]]
*'''Overload''' (Voyager, 2009)
*''Accessories'': 2 missiles, rifle, Cyber Key

: Part of the fifth wave of ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' Voyagers, "Cybertron Series" Overload is a [[redeco]] of [[Scattorshot#CybDef|Cybertron Defense Scattorshot]], transforming into a [[wikipedia:TOS-1|TOS-1 Buratino]] multiple-launch rocket system. The halves of the (non-firing) launcher end up on his arms in robot mode. In either mode, inserting a [[Cyber Planet Key]] in each half reveals a new weapon: one side has a pull-out double spring-loaded missile launcher, while the other has a flip-out non-firing blaster barrel. He also comes with an extra long hand-held rifle that can be mounted in tank mode thanks to his [[Mini-con]]-compatible [[Powerlinx]] plugs.

: This mold was also used to make ''Universe'' [[Dropshot (Universe)|Dropshot]].
{{--}}

==Notes==
* Overload's entry in Dreamwave's ''[[More Than Meets The Eye (Armada)|Armada: More Than Meets The Eye]]'' profile series claims that his combination with [[Rollout (Armada)|Rollout]] uses "[[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster technology]]". The [[Armada Fleer card series|Fleer card]] for Rollout also makes mention of this.
* According to [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]], he intended to have a sub-plot explaining just where the hell Overload came from in the [[Linkage (comic)|''Linkage'' comic]], but didn't have the space to do so, so he dropped it in favor of focusing on the A-plot and cramming in what DVD-exclusive-character moments he could.
* Overload's whole "appearing out of nowhere without explanation" deal from the cartoon got a slight ribbing in the [[bio]] for his 2008 ''Universe'' toy, which established that he was now on quest to discover the mystery of his origins.

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/Overload/overload.htm Overload at TFU.info]

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Flak (G1)

2009-06-04T22:59:32Z

Onslaught Six: /* Timelines */

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:''Flak is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Flak cardart.jpg|right|300px|thumb|MUST...TURN...DOORKNOB!]]

'''Flak''' is the deep thinker of the Autobot [[Battle Patrol]]. A tactical expert, he has single-handedly crafted an enormous "playbook" of maneuvers and scenarios for the Patrol to use whenever in the field and, at [[Big Shot]]'s discretion, instituted a rigorous training schedule to make sure the entire team is constantly up to date on all his latest plans. Flak is meticulous, some would say downright anal, in his planning, but only because he feels he has to be. Flak respects Big Shot's authority and decisiveness under fire, but recognizes that his commander's lack of lateral thinking can potentially get their Patrol into trouble. Because of this, Flak has taken on the burden of responsibility in making sure Big Shot's military precision always has a military strategy to back it up.

:''Japanese name:'' '''Powerbomb'''
:''French-Canadian name:'' '''Rafale'''

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
{{noteukonly}}

''Flak and the Battle Patrol were given the mission to break into a secure Decepticon complex by their commander, [[Emirate Xaaron]], in order to learn of a new "secret weapon". To his credit, Flak DID ask the Decepticon nicely to step out of the way...before transforming and unleashing his full missile firepower on the hapless 'Con. The joke was ultimately on the Micros, however, as it turned out the secret weapon was ''them. ''[[Thunderwing (G1)|Lord Thunderwing]] had leaked word of the new weapon in order to lure some Autobot Micromasters into his web and use their bodies to reverse-engineer the technology for the Decepticon cause. Flak and his teammates fought back bravely, but were ultimately captured. They were dissected by Thunderwing's scientists and, although [[Roadhandler (G1)|Roadhandler]] and the other Micros managed to free them, the Micromaster technology was in fact reproduced by the Decepticons. {{storylink|A Small War!}}''

====Marvel UK future timelines====
''Flak and [[Sunrunner]] were among the Autobots under [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]]'s command when he returned to the future after the Time Wars. Unfortunately, despite [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s death in the timestorm in 1989, the timeline had rebooted itself so that Galvatron still existed in the present of 2009. While trying to rekindle an Autobot resistance movement on Cybertron, Flak and Sunrunner were caught by Galvatron and the [[Triggercon|Triggercons]] along with Rodimus, [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]. As Rodimus Prime fought back against Galvatron, Flak and the others disabled the Triggercons, and the Autobots fled for safety. {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!}} The full Battle Patrol were among the 400+ Autobots who escaped to [[Earth|Earth]] with Rodimus. {{storylink|The Void! (UK)|The Void!}}''

{{note|Flak was drawn as a full-size Transformer during "Aspects of Evil!". By the time of their journey to [[Earth]] in "The Void!", he was rendered at his correct size by a different artist.}}

===''Zone'' OVA, manga and story pages===
[[Image:Zone militaryteam.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Zone version of the Battle Patrol.]]

When [[Victory Saber]] initiated the "Zone Project", the Battle Patrol helped rebuild planet [[Micro]] into planet Zone. To counter this threat, [[Violen Jiger]] began conquering planets in order to create his own [[Decepticon Zone]]. The Race Car Patrol and all other [[Micromaster]] teams were then sent on patrol across the galaxy, specifically to planets where their unique skills could do the most good. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 1}}

When [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] attacked the planet [[Feminia]], the Battle Patrol were among several units of Micromasters deployed to stop him. Through teamwork, they proved triumphant. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 2}}

During the attack of the [[Nine Great Demon Generals]] on the [[Micro|Planet Zone]] Base, Flak (or rather, his Japanese incarnation, ''Powerbomb'') could be seen firing his missiles at [[Abominus]], who effortlessly fended them off with his shield, continuing his rampage. Despite Flak’s effort, the Demon Generals succeeded in capturing the [[Energon Z]] energy source. As they retreated, Flak and his fellow comrades of the Battle Team Patrol boarded [[Countdown (G1)|Moonradar]]’s rocket to pursue them to [[Earth]]. There, the Battle Team Patrol, among other [[Microtransformer|Microtransformers]], faced off against [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] and [[Predaking]], only to find themselves again at the receiving end of the beating. Luckily, [[Sonic Bomber]] and [[Dai Atlas (G1)|Dai Atlas]] arrived just in time and saved the day.

Later on, Powerbomb could be seen amongst the crowd cheering and applauding the newly appointed Autobot [[Supreme Commander|Supreme Commander]], Dai Atlas. {{storylink|Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!}} {{storylink|Zone (manga)|Transformers: Zone}}

When the [[Powered Master]]s flew off to the [[Tenth Planet]] for their showdown with Violen Jiger, all the Micromaster teams took command of Zone and vowed to keep it safe in their Commander's absence. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 10}}

{{note|In Japan, the "Micro Transformers" were uniformly depicted as precocious and childlike, with virtually no attention paid to individual personalities save a very select few characters.}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
Flak was a member of the Battle Patrol under [[Big Shot]]'s command, but wasn't nearly as loudmouthed as his comrades, [[Sidetrack]] and Sunrunner. {{storylink|Destined for Nothing}} He and Big Shot were guarding the entrance to Autobase at one point, while their fellow Patrol-mechs were shooing the [[Hot Rod Patrol]] away at another gate. {{storylink|Recipe for Hate}}

===Wings of Honor===
{{Comingsoon}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1 Flak toy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|One small step for bot, one giant launch for botkind.]]
*'''Battle Patrol''' (Micromaster Patrol, 1989)

: Flak transforms into a self-propelled, artillery multiple rocket system of undetermined model. The missile battery, being his legs, can pivot up and down due to his transformation jointing, but cannot rotate.

: He was only available as part of the Battle Patrol, along with his teammates [[Big Shot]], [[Sidetrack]] and [[Sunrunner]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1989/Autobot/Flak/flak.htm More information on Flak at TFU.info]''

{{-}}
===Zone===
*'''Battle Patrol Team''' (Micro Transformer team, 1990)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''C-332'''

: "Powerbomb" was [[redeco]]ed for his [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] release, predominantly blue with white robot-mode bits. As with the [[Hasbro]] version, he was only available in a complete set with his teammates.

: Early versions of the entire Team also used yellow plastic instead of the medium-gray, giving Flak some very bright treads indeed. Later versions corrected this, and the yellow-plastic versions go for considerably more on the secondary market.

===Return of Convoy===
*'''Battle Patrol Team''' (Micro Trailer team, 1991)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''C-374'''
**''Accessories'': Micro Trailer #11

: The "corrected-color" version of the Battle Patrol Team was re-released in ''[[Return of Convoy (franchise)|Return of Convoy]]'' with no alterations. It did come with an extra: [[Micro Trailer]] #11.

===Timelines===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-FlakWoH.jpg|right|thumb|300px|It's Johnny, the tackling Alzheimer's patient! "Who am I!" *crash*]]
*'''Wings of Honor''' (multipack, 2009)
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles, gun, key

: A [[retool]] of Cybertron Defense [[Scattorshot]] with a brand-new head sculpt based on the head of the original Flak, ''[[Timelines]]'' Flak transforms into a [[wikipedia:TOS-1|TOS-1 Buratino]] multiple-launch rocket system. The halves of the (non-firing) launcher end up on his arms in robot mode. In either mode, inserting a Cyber Planet Key in each half reveals a new weapon: one side has a pull-out double spring-loaded missile launcher, while the other has a flip-out non-firing blaster barrel. He also comes with an extra long hand-held rifle that can be mounted in tank mode thanks to his [[Mini-Con]]-compatible [[Powerlinx]] plugs.

:He comes in the [[BotCon 2009]] "[[Wings of Honor]]" box set along with [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], [[Landshark]], [[Thunder Clash]], and a Decepticon foe, [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]. Whether this toy is meant to be a new toy of or merely an homage to the original Flak depends on which [[Fun Publications]] spokesperson you hear from. (There likely would have been no ambiguity if the ''Universe'' [[Overload (Armada)|Overload]] toy hadn't come out in near-exact Flak colors, an unfortunate coincidence that required BotCon Flak to have different colors entirely.) So until all that is sorted out for sure, this toy's entry will have fun over here on original Flak's page.

: The original version of this mold was also used to make ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Dropshot (Universe)|Dropshot]] and [[Overload (Armada)|Overload]].

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Flak (G1)

2009-06-04T22:58:46Z

Onslaught Six: /* Timelines */

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:''Flak is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Flak cardart.jpg|right|300px|thumb|MUST...TURN...DOORKNOB!]]

'''Flak''' is the deep thinker of the Autobot [[Battle Patrol]]. A tactical expert, he has single-handedly crafted an enormous "playbook" of maneuvers and scenarios for the Patrol to use whenever in the field and, at [[Big Shot]]'s discretion, instituted a rigorous training schedule to make sure the entire team is constantly up to date on all his latest plans. Flak is meticulous, some would say downright anal, in his planning, but only because he feels he has to be. Flak respects Big Shot's authority and decisiveness under fire, but recognizes that his commander's lack of lateral thinking can potentially get their Patrol into trouble. Because of this, Flak has taken on the burden of responsibility in making sure Big Shot's military precision always has a military strategy to back it up.

:''Japanese name:'' '''Powerbomb'''
:''French-Canadian name:'' '''Rafale'''

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
{{noteukonly}}

''Flak and the Battle Patrol were given the mission to break into a secure Decepticon complex by their commander, [[Emirate Xaaron]], in order to learn of a new "secret weapon". To his credit, Flak DID ask the Decepticon nicely to step out of the way...before transforming and unleashing his full missile firepower on the hapless 'Con. The joke was ultimately on the Micros, however, as it turned out the secret weapon was ''them. ''[[Thunderwing (G1)|Lord Thunderwing]] had leaked word of the new weapon in order to lure some Autobot Micromasters into his web and use their bodies to reverse-engineer the technology for the Decepticon cause. Flak and his teammates fought back bravely, but were ultimately captured. They were dissected by Thunderwing's scientists and, although [[Roadhandler (G1)|Roadhandler]] and the other Micros managed to free them, the Micromaster technology was in fact reproduced by the Decepticons. {{storylink|A Small War!}}''

====Marvel UK future timelines====
''Flak and [[Sunrunner]] were among the Autobots under [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]]'s command when he returned to the future after the Time Wars. Unfortunately, despite [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s death in the timestorm in 1989, the timeline had rebooted itself so that Galvatron still existed in the present of 2009. While trying to rekindle an Autobot resistance movement on Cybertron, Flak and Sunrunner were caught by Galvatron and the [[Triggercon|Triggercons]] along with Rodimus, [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]. As Rodimus Prime fought back against Galvatron, Flak and the others disabled the Triggercons, and the Autobots fled for safety. {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!}} The full Battle Patrol were among the 400+ Autobots who escaped to [[Earth|Earth]] with Rodimus. {{storylink|The Void! (UK)|The Void!}}''

{{note|Flak was drawn as a full-size Transformer during "Aspects of Evil!". By the time of their journey to [[Earth]] in "The Void!", he was rendered at his correct size by a different artist.}}

===''Zone'' OVA, manga and story pages===
[[Image:Zone militaryteam.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Zone version of the Battle Patrol.]]

When [[Victory Saber]] initiated the "Zone Project", the Battle Patrol helped rebuild planet [[Micro]] into planet Zone. To counter this threat, [[Violen Jiger]] began conquering planets in order to create his own [[Decepticon Zone]]. The Race Car Patrol and all other [[Micromaster]] teams were then sent on patrol across the galaxy, specifically to planets where their unique skills could do the most good. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 1}}

When [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] attacked the planet [[Feminia]], the Battle Patrol were among several units of Micromasters deployed to stop him. Through teamwork, they proved triumphant. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 2}}

During the attack of the [[Nine Great Demon Generals]] on the [[Micro|Planet Zone]] Base, Flak (or rather, his Japanese incarnation, ''Powerbomb'') could be seen firing his missiles at [[Abominus]], who effortlessly fended them off with his shield, continuing his rampage. Despite Flak’s effort, the Demon Generals succeeded in capturing the [[Energon Z]] energy source. As they retreated, Flak and his fellow comrades of the Battle Team Patrol boarded [[Countdown (G1)|Moonradar]]’s rocket to pursue them to [[Earth]]. There, the Battle Team Patrol, among other [[Microtransformer|Microtransformers]], faced off against [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] and [[Predaking]], only to find themselves again at the receiving end of the beating. Luckily, [[Sonic Bomber]] and [[Dai Atlas (G1)|Dai Atlas]] arrived just in time and saved the day.

Later on, Powerbomb could be seen amongst the crowd cheering and applauding the newly appointed Autobot [[Supreme Commander|Supreme Commander]], Dai Atlas. {{storylink|Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!}} {{storylink|Zone (manga)|Transformers: Zone}}

When the [[Powered Master]]s flew off to the [[Tenth Planet]] for their showdown with Violen Jiger, all the Micromaster teams took command of Zone and vowed to keep it safe in their Commander's absence. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 10}}

{{note|In Japan, the "Micro Transformers" were uniformly depicted as precocious and childlike, with virtually no attention paid to individual personalities save a very select few characters.}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
Flak was a member of the Battle Patrol under [[Big Shot]]'s command, but wasn't nearly as loudmouthed as his comrades, [[Sidetrack]] and Sunrunner. {{storylink|Destined for Nothing}} He and Big Shot were guarding the entrance to Autobase at one point, while their fellow Patrol-mechs were shooing the [[Hot Rod Patrol]] away at another gate. {{storylink|Recipe for Hate}}

===Wings of Honor===
{{Comingsoon}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1 Flak toy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|One small step for bot, one giant launch for botkind.]]
*'''Battle Patrol''' (Micromaster Patrol, 1989)

: Flak transforms into a self-propelled, artillery multiple rocket system of undetermined model. The missile battery, being his legs, can pivot up and down due to his transformation jointing, but cannot rotate.

: He was only available as part of the Battle Patrol, along with his teammates [[Big Shot]], [[Sidetrack]] and [[Sunrunner]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1989/Autobot/Flak/flak.htm More information on Flak at TFU.info]''

{{-}}
===Zone===
*'''Battle Patrol Team''' (Micro Transformer team, 1990)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''C-332'''

: "Powerbomb" was [[redeco]]ed for his [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] release, predominantly blue with white robot-mode bits. As with the [[Hasbro]] version, he was only available in a complete set with his teammates.

: Early versions of the entire Team also used yellow plastic instead of the medium-gray, giving Flak some very bright treads indeed. Later versions corrected this, and the yellow-plastic versions go for considerably more on the secondary market.

===Return of Convoy===
*'''Battle Patrol Team''' (Micro Trailer team, 1991)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''C-374'''
**''Accessories'': Micro Trailer #11

: The "corrected-color" version of the Battle Patrol Team was re-released in ''[[Return of Convoy (franchise)|Return of Convoy]]'' with no alterations. It did come with an extra: [[Micro Trailer]] #11.

===Timelines===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-FlakWoH.jpg|right|thumb|300px|It's Johnny, the tackling Alzheimer's patient! "Who am I!" *crash*]]
*'''Wings of Honor''' (multipack, 2009)
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles, gun, key

: A [[retool]] of Cybertron Defense [[Scattorshot]] with a brand-new head sculpt based on the head of the original Flak, ''[[Timelines]]'' Flak transforms into a [[wikipedia:TOS-1|TOS-1 Buratino]] multiple-launch rocket system. The halves of the (non-firing) launcher end up on his arms in robot mode. In either mode, inserting a Cyber Planet Key in each half reveals a new weapon: one side has a pull-out double spring-loaded missile launcher, while the other has a flip-out non-firing blaster barrel. He also comes with an extra long hand-held rifle that can be mounted in tank mode thanks to his [[Mini-Con]]-compatible [[Powerlinx]] plugs.

:He comes in the [[BotCon 2009]] "[[Wings of Honor]]" box set along with [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], [[Landshark]], [[Thunder Clash]], and a Decepticon foe, [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]. Whether this toy is meant to be a new toy of or merely an homage to the original Flak depends on which [[Fun Publications]] spokesperson you hear from. (There likely would have been no ambiguity if the ''Universe'' [[Overload (Armada)|Overload]] toy hadn't come out in near-exact Flak colors, an unfortunate coincidence that required BotCon Flak to have different colors entirely.) So until all that is sorted out for sure, this toy's entry will have fun over here on original Flak's page.

: The original version of this mold was also used to make ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Dropshot (Universe)|Dropshot]] and [[Overload (Armada)|Overload]].

{{comingsoontoy}}

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2009-06-04T22:55:03Z

Onslaught Six:

Kup (G1)

2009-06-02T14:28:27Z

Onslaught Six: /* Generation 1 cartoon */

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{{featured}}
:''Kup is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Kupg1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Four of me, and ya got a [[quartex]]. Speakin' of quartex, that reminds me of the time..."]]
'''Kup''' is a tough old coot. He's almost as old as rust, in fact, and he was plinking [[Decepticon]]s and [[Ick-Yak]]s with acid bursts from his trusty musket laser long before most of you turbo-revvin' young punks were born. In his day, lasers didn't ''need'' to use light; they did whatever they were told to do. And liked it.

He's probably had a thousand adventures, Kup has, and he'll be glad to relate a story of any one of them at any time to a willing audience. The [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] love Kup's war stories, lapping it up like cheap [[Energon (fuel)|energon]], and don't seem to mind when he inadvertently leaves a piece out or changes the story between retellings. Old memory chips'll do that to you. Other Autobots can be less patient, and Kup finds this disrespectful and irritating. If there's one thing Kup dislikes, it's when young punks don't respect their elders. If they'd only listen, they might learn something. [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] is one of the worst offenders in this way, but he's a good lad-bot, and Kup will straighten him out sooner or later, even if it takes a tank of [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]]s.

Occasionally, Kup's vast experience gets in his way. When a situation doesn't remind him of anything, he has trouble figuring out what to do. This doesn't happen very often though.

{{quote|The past is the greatest teacher.|Kup's original [[bio]] motto}}

:''Japanese name:'' '''Chear'''<ref>"Chear" is used twice in English on the Kup/Wheelie "Future Cybertrons" reissue, so is presumably the transliteration Takara currently favors.</ref> (チャー ''Chā'', except for "The Rebirth")
:''French-Canadian name:'' '''Kaisso'''
:''Hungarian name'': '''Kup''' — '''(Űr)Zsaru''' ["(Space)Cop"] in one of the dubs of ''The Movie''.)
:''Italian name'': '''Blitz''' / '''Char''' (''The Headmasters'' dub only)
:''Russian TV dub name'': '''Vorchoon''' ("Grumbler")

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====Generation 1 cartoon====
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Lionel Stander]] → [[John Stephenson]] (English), [[Osamu Saka]] (Japanese), [[Carl Béchard]] (French Canadian)

[[Image:Chaos deathcrystalmines.jpg|left|230px|thumb|Worked in the coal mines twenty-two hours a day for just half a cent.]]

In his younger days, one hundred thousand years ago, Kup once found himself crash-landed on the planet [[Dread]], where he was stalked by an [[Ick-Yak]]. Although Kup was able to lure the creature into a swamp of [[quickmud]], he was then captured by the evil [[Orb]]s, who forced him to work in the [[death crystal]] mines of of [[Queeg Mountain]]. When the miners were attacked by [[Chaos (alien)|Chaos]], the creature on whose hide the crystals grew, Kup was afforded an opportunity to escape. Before exiting the mines, he quickly grabbed the key to the cell in which the other slaves were held... but before he could open the cell door, Chaos came roaring into the cavern. Petrified, Kup dropped the keys and fled, escaping with his life, and a guilt that would gnaw at him for millennia. {{storylink|Chaos (episode)|Chaos}}

Kup was stationed in another part of the galaxy while [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s forces were battling on [[Earth]], but eventually joined up with the Earthbound Autobots when the Decepticons took over [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in the early days of the 21st Century. {{storylink|Secret Files of Teletraan II}}

[[Image:Kup tale.jpg|right|230px|thumb|Matlooooooooock!]]

In 2005, Kup was supervising the erection of a security cordon at the foot of [[Lookout Mountain]] when the work was interrupted by an impetuous drive-through by [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]. Kup shook his finger at the adventure-seeking youth, vowing to straighten him out yet. Even Kup couldn't believe it, however, when mere minutes later, Hot Rod began firing upon the approaching [[Autobot shuttle]]. The shuttle had, in fact, been hijacked by the Decepticons, who immediately began pouring out of the craft and attacking [[Autobot City]]. Kup saved Hot Rod from being blasted by [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]], and the pair then headed back towards the city, but they didn't move fast enough to avoid being trapped outside of the city's fortress-like defenses. Luckily, an attempted hull breach by the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]] opened a small hole in the city's blast doors, and Kup used [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]]'s skull as a ramp to leap the gap and make it into the city safely.

[[Image:Tftm_launcherpush.jpg|left|230px|thumb|If only we had the additional strength of a small Earth boy to help us push this!]]

Once inside the city, Kup and Hot Rod joined [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] in shoving an explosives launcher into place to help defend against the might of [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. The battle continued through the night, but the arrival Optimus Prime the next day turned the tide and the Decepticons were defeated—but at a terrible price. Despite Kup's warnings, Hot Rod had interfered in Prime and Megatron's one-on-one battle, and had given the Decepticon leader the opening he needed to fatally wound Prime. Prime had used the last of his strength to dispatch Megatron, but as Kup and the other Autobots gathered around their fallen leader, Optimus Prime died, passing the [[Matrix of Leadership]] on to [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]].

[[Image:Tftm_kup_tells_story.jpg|230px|right|thumb|One way to get rid of them is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere.]]

Even as the Autobots began to pick up the pieces, they came under assault on two fronts. First, reports came in from their moonbases of a [[Unicron|monster planet]] that was bearing down on Cybertron; when Hot Rod eagerly announced that he was sure the Matrix could stop the creature, Kup was less than convinced, asking what the youth would know about it. The Autobots made quick preparations to join their comrades on Cybertron's moons, but just before they were able to board their shuttles, a group of new Decepticons led by the powerful [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] launched another attack upon the ruins of Autobots City. Kup, Hot Rod and the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] boarded one of the shuttles and hot-footed it into space. Once they were safely away, Kup passed the time during the trip by telling the Dinobots the tale of his encounter with another Ick Yak on [[Beta 4]]. The story was interrupted by the sudden arrival of the Decepticons, and while Kup's experience with the [[Shrikebat]]s of [[Dromedon]] allowed him to out-manoeuvre the villains' [[moleculon missile]]s, an attack by [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] crippled the shuttle and caused it to crash-land into an ocean on the planet [[Quintessa]]. Kup was set upon by a robotic squid, which tore off several of his limbs before Hot Rod was able to fight it off. Hot Rod gathered up all of Kup's pieces and put his friend back together again, but despite the fact that he managed to get rid of a burr on Kup's rotator, Kup was fairly insistent that Hot Rod had left a piece out.

[[Image:TFTM Kup beserker.jpg|left|230px|thumb|"Y'see, lad, I've been dismembering monsters since before you were a gleam in your protoform batch initiator's optic! Now fetch me some prune juice!"]]

Setting out to explore Quintessa and find the Dinobots, Kup and Hot Rod came across a herd of [[Allicon|strange transforming creatures]] which Kup attempted to placate with the [[universal greeting]] and some [[Energon (fuel)|energon]] goodies. Unfortunately, when the goodies ran out, so did the creatures' good nature, and Kup and Hot Rod were set upon, captured and dragged before the planet's rulers, the [[Quintesson]]s. The whole experience reminded Kup of the [[Niter Slave Mines]] on [[Golgonath Seven]], but Hot Rod didn't see what good the old-timer's experienced was doing them at that moment. Hurled into a jail cell to await trial, the pair met another captive named [[Kranix]], whose world had been consumed by the monster plant currently threatening Cybertron: a monster that Kranix told them was named [[Unicron]]. Sadly, Kranix soon met his end in the jaws of the Quintesson' [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticons]], and Kup and Hot Rod were dropped into the creatures' pit soon after. The pair did not accept the Quintessons' judgement with gentle grace, however, and fought back against the Sharkticons, creating a whirlpool by driving around their watery pit and sweeping the fight to dry land. Kup tore off one of the Sharkticons' tails and used it as a mace, but the duo was in danger of being overwhelmed until the timely arrival of the Dinobots, who routed the Sharkticons and turned them against their Quintesson masters. With the aid of the Dinobots' new friend, [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]], the team found a ship and reunited with their fellow Autobots on the planet of [[Junkion (planet)|Junk]]. There, Kup was able to talk a little TV with native [[Junkion]] leader [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], but even the levity the Junkions brought to the proceedings did not obscure the tragic news that Galvatron had stolen the Matrix from Ultra Magnus.

[[Image:Kup vehiclemode.jpg|right|thumb|275px|FM radio not included.]]

Proceeding on their way to Cybertron, the Autobots arrived just in time to witness Unicron transforming to robot mode and attacking their home planet – a sight so awesome that it left Kup speechless, unable to recall anything like it that had ever seen. Ever eager, Hot Rod ploughed their ship straight into Unicron's eye, but was separated from the rest of the group on the fall through the chaos-bringer's interior. While Kup and the other Autobots battled against Unicron's internal defences, Hot Rod battled Galvatron (who had been betrayed Unicron and been swallowed in punishment) and reclaimed the Matrix from him, becoming the Autobots' new leader, Rodimus Prime. Rodimus unleashed the power of the Matrix, which began to destroy Unicron from within, and as the Autobots retreated from the planet-eater's exploding body, Kup congratulated Rodimus, claiming he had always known he had potential. In the wake of Unicron's destruction, the Autobots forced the Decepticons off of Cybertron and reclaimed the planet for their own. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

[[Image:ffod_pitfall.jpg|left|275px|thumb|The year is nineteen-aught-six! The President is the divine Miss Sara Bernhardt! And all over America, people were doing a dance called the "Funky Grandpa"!]]

Appointed as [[Chief of Security]] for Cybertron, Kup accompanied Rodimus Prime and the other Autobots to the opening of the [[Galactic Olympics]], only for the ceremony to be attacked by a commando squad of mysterious shadowy figures. The raiders captured Kup, Ultra Magnus and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] and took them back to their masters, {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}} who turned out to be the Quintessons. This time around, the aliens interrogated Kup a lot more thoroughly, questioning him on the state of Cybertron's security and meticulously analyzing his responses, seeing through the sarcastic misdirection he attempted to throw back in their faces. After a failed attempt escape landed the trio in the Sharkticon pit, the end seemed inevitable, until a team of Autobots led by Rodimus Prime arrived in time to save them. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2}} In retaliation, the Quintessons detonated a [[core bomb]] and blew up Quintessa, and the explosion hurled Kup and the Autobots through space to the planet [[Goo]]. As the Autobots struggled through the planet's sticky surface, they were set upon by a massive machine that swept the goo clean, and Kup was awestruck by Rodimus's single-handed attempt to stop the dangerous device. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3}} As they continued on their gooey trek, the Autobots came under attack from Galvatron and the Decepticons, who had entered into an alliance with the Quintessons, but were whisked to safety by Wreck-Gar and the Junkions.

A short time later, back on Cybertron, a mayday request came through from a crippled shuttle requesting clearance to land. Unable to risk the lives on the humans that he believed were onboard, Kup allowed the shuttle to land... but as it approached Cybertron, it veered off course and crashed into the planet's central power facility, taking out power across the board. The shuttle had been a dupe perpetuated by the Decepticon/Quintesson alliance, which promptly invaded the planet. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}} In the ensuing battle, Rodimus and Kup were surprised when Blitzwing fell out of the sky in front of them, and begged them no to shoot. The [[Triple Changer]] revealed that the Quintessons had double-crossed the Decepticons, and had sent a team of Sharkticons into the depths of Cybertron to activate a [[large switch]] that would shut down all the Transformers. Rodimus and Blitzwing were unable to stop the switch being thrown, but Spike Witwicky was then able to destroy the mechanism and reactivate the Transformers, forcing the Quintessons to flee Galvatron's wrath. Kup stood by Rodimus's side as he announced their uneasy victory to the other Autobots. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

[[Image:Chaos_kup_vs_chaos.jpg|230px|right|thumb|"You're homely as a mule's butt!"]]

The past came back to haunt Kup when he was called in to investigate a Decepticon attack on the [[Earth Defense Command]] post on Goo. Discovering that the attack had been perpetrated using death crystals, Kup was finally forced to return to planet Dread to stop the Decepticons' plan to destroy Cybertron using a death crystal cannon. Venturing into the mines alone, through swarms of [[shrikebat]]s, Kup located Chaos in the depths of the mountain and lured him back to the surface, taunting him all the way. Before exiting the mines, Kup freed all the slaves, and in turn, they helped him to re-aim the Decepticons' cannon, pointing it right at Chaos at the monster emerged from the tunnels. Kup pulled the trigger, blasting Chaos with its own death crystals and finally destroying it. With his demons laid to rest, the high-spirited Kup spent the journey back to Cybertron tell his comrades of the time he flew the shuttle [[Jonagar]] in the mouth of a space-whale. {{storylink|Chaos (episode)|Chaos}}

[[Image:Darkawakening_kup_fires.jpg|215px|left|thumb|"Ah, can't get a good sarsaparilla like this back in Iacon. It angries up the blood." "Heh, you like it, huh?" "Up yours!"]]

Kup was among a team of Autobots who were caught off-guard by the Decepticons while travelling through space in a shuttle, and were forced to dock their damaged craft at the giant mausoleum the Autobots had constructed to hold the bodies of those who had died in the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]]. There, they were shocked to discover that Optimus Prime had apparently returned to life, only to find themselves suddenly betrayed by their old leader when he set the mausoleum on a collision course with a sun and escaped aboard a spaceship of his own. The Autobots quickly improvised a ship of their own before the mausoleum was destroyed, which Kup piloted back to Cybertron. Upon their returned, it was discovered that "Optimus Prime" was merely a robotic zombie, animated as part of a Quintesson plan to destroy the Autobots, forcing Rodimus Prime to defeat him in battle. His true personality re-emerging as he neared death again, Optimus seemingly sacrificed himself, getting the other Autobots to safety and triggering the Quintessons' explosive trap. {{storylink|Dark Awakening}}

When a survey mission led by Perceptor sent out an SOS, Kup responded with Rodimus Prime, [[Pipes]] and the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]]. The team fought off the Quintessons occupying the asteroid, and discovered that the aliens had been attempting to alter history using a [[Time Window]]. Most of Perceptor's team had vanished through the portal into Cybertron's distant past, and Kup and the others fought off a Quintesson attempt to reclaim the asteroid while their teammates were returned to the present. {{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}

The arrival of an Autobot named [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]] on Cybertron gave Kup cause for concern, as the newcomer claimed to be from the planet [[Paradron]], which Kup was unable to locate on any star charts. A lie detector confirmed the truth of Sandstorm's story, however, and the Autobots rallied to save his world from the Decepticons. {{storylink|Fight or Flee}} Soon after, when Kup discovered that a team of Decepticons had been able to sneak their way past Cybertron defences, he, Rodimus, Magnus and the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] headed out to force the villains off the planet. {{storylink|Starscream's Ghost}}

[[Image:Gitm_kup_and_screamer.jpg|right|thumb|I ain't afraid of no ghost!]]

While making a security inspection of Autobot City on Earth, Kup was impressed by the work [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] had been doing in his absence. Blaster's choice of music, however, still rattled his transistors. During Kup's visit, Autobot City was attacked by [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and the ghost of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. They did serious damage to [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], stealing his eyes and then blowing up a bomb inside his brain. Hopefully, Kup didn't mark that up in his report as a strike against Blaster. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine}}

[[Image:Ditd_vampire_kup_and_springer.jpg|250px|left|thumb|Kup gives the phrase "going grey" a whole new meaning.]]

Alongside Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus, Blaster and [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], Kup headed to Junkion to investigate a strange hypnotic television signal that was coming from the planet. On their way, they were attacked by [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and the [[Sweep]]s and crashed on an asteroid, where Kup helped draw the Decepticons off so that Magnus could repair the damage done to Omega Supreme. The team voyaged on to Junkion, where they stopped the hypnotic broadcast. {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006}} Not long after, Kup was among the Transformers who fell victim to the energy-draining touch of the [[Trans-Organic]] [[Dweller]], becoming an [[energy vampire]] who menaced the other Autobots until Perceptor restored them to normal with a surge of energon. {{storylink|The Dweller in the Depths}}

Kup was working out of Autobot City on Earth when Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus, Springer and Arcee went missing investigating the human terrorist, [[Victor Drath]]. Unbeknownst to Kup, the crime lord transplanted the four Autobots' minds into human-like [[synthoid]] bodies, and when the humanized Arcee attempted to get his attention near the entrance of Autobot City, he just drove on by.{{storylink|Only Human}}

[[Image:Grimnewbrain_kup_vs_sintwin.jpg|right|thumb|Kup was answering the Liar's Paradox before it became popular.]]

When the Autobots all began experiencing malfunctions following the activation of Cybertron's newest power generator, Kup was part of the team that ventured below the planet's surface to investigate the cause. The source of the malfunctions was discovered to be [[anti-electron]]s snuck into the generator by the Decepticons, which began to affect Kup's mind, leaving his much vaunted memory of past adventures so badly scrambled that he couldn't even remember who he was or where they were. The generator was shut down, but the Autobots soon deduced that the anti-electrons had come from Unicron, and followed the Decepticons to the planet-eater's decapitated head to stop them from acquiring more. Once they arrived on Unicron's head, the anti-electrons began affecting them once more, but Kup fought off their influence long enough to hold his own against [[Sinnertwin]]. The Decepticons were then routed by the [[Technobot]]s, new Autobots created by [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] using the super-intelligence the anti-electrons had given him. {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}

Running the security center on Cybertron, Kup detected the cataclysmic arrival of [[Tornedron]] shortly before the energy creature devoured all energy on the planet, leaving every Autobot completely inert. Only a small group of [[Primitive]]s from both factions managed to reach the creature's creator, [[Primacron]], and reverse the process. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

[[Image:Bhtb_kup_and_rodimus.jpg|left|thumb|Kup is apparently a chickenhawk. I mean, look at that butt!]]

During a series of missions in Japan, Kup could see the burden of leadership weighing heavily on Rodimus Prime's shoulders. Kup tried to teach him about the Japanese concept of ''giri'', the "burden hardest to bear", but Rodimus departed to blow off some steam on his own, and Kup recognized that it was a problem Rodimus would have to resolve for himself. Unfortunately, Rodimus was attacked by the [[Stunticon]]s and had the Matrix stolen, which then wound up in the clutches of Scourge, who led a Decepticon attack on Tokyo. Kup face off against the Matrix-powered Decepticon, but was hit by energy beams that left him convulsing. Luckily, Hot Rod made peace with his ''giri'' and arrived in time to defeat Scourge and reclaim the Matrix. Kup sagely noted that regardless of who held the Matrix, that missing part of himself that Rodimus had discovered would always be with him. {{storylink|The Burden Hardest to Bear}}

[[Image:Roop_kup_and_prime.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"Optimus Prime is not a Communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a Communist, but he is not a porn star."]]

When the Autobots learned that Optimus Prime might still be alive, Kup was part of an enormous task force assembled by Rodimus Prime to retrieve Optimus's body from the treacherous human scientists who had taken possession of it. While Ultra Magnus and Rodimus led several team members inside the laboratory, Kup remained outside on guard with [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], Wheelie, and several others. The situation turned deadly when the scientists unleashed space spores that induced a [[Hate Plague]] among the Autobots. The Aerialbots were among the first exposed, and Kup's team soon had to face off against a crazed [[Superion (G1)|Superion]]. They suffered serious damage and were taken off-line but, as a silver lining, also managed to escape contamination. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}} As his last order before he too was lost to the plague, Rodimus Prime had Sky Lynx locate a Quintesson, who was put to work restoring Optimus Prime to life at last. At Prime's instruction, the Quintesson repaired Kup and the rest of his team, and the group then headed for the Decepticons' base on [[Chaar]] to recover a heat-resistant alloy the villains had stolen. Battling through the dangers of Chaar's native wildlife, the Autobots were able to recover the alloy, but not before Kup and most of his team were infected by the Hate Plague. Optimus Prime subsequently used the alloy to shield himself from the plague's effect and recovered the Matrix from Rodimus Prime, then released its wisdom to cure the madness of the spores. A cured Kup and Hot Rod watched as Optimus Prime and Galvatron shook hands, as the Decepticon leader declared there would be no war that day. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2}}

[[Image:Rebirth_targetmaster_torture.jpg|225px|left|thumb|"We sentence you to death! By snu-snu!"]]

Galvatron's promise did not last long, unfortunately. Kup was on Cybertron when the Decepticons launched a massive assault on Autobot City on Earth and stole the [[key to the Plasma Energy Chamber|key]] to the [[Plasma energy|Plasma Energy Chamber]] , but word of the attack soon reached Cybertron as the Decepticon bore down on the planet. During the ensuing conflict, Kup and a team of other Autobot boarded a shuttle and pursued Scourge into the depths of the planet, but when Scourge used the key to momentarily open the Plasma Energy Chamber, the energy released blasted the Autobots' shuttle across the galaxy. The ship crashed on the planet [[Nebulos]], which reminded Kup of the time he was stranded on [[Regulon Four]] and faced off against the planet's native [[Regulon metalmonger|metalmongers]]. The Autobots were soon captured by a rebel cell of native Nebulans, who believed them to agents of the planet's evil rulers, the [[Hive (G1)|Hive]], but the Autobots were able to convince them that they were on the side of the angels when the Decepticons followed them to Nebulos and attacked. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}}

[[Image:Rebirth_kup_and_recoil.jpg|right|thumb|When 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not.]]

During the battle that resulted, Kup, Hot Rod, Blurr, [[Pointblank]], [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] and [[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]] were captured by the Decepticons and tortured for information about the location of the Plasma Energy Chamber key. Kup and his comrades were soon rescued by the other Autobots, who had bonded with the Nebulons rebels to become powerful "[[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]]", and soon decided to undergo a variation of this bonding process themselves, becoming "[[Targetmaster]]s". By the time Optimus Prime finally tracked his warriors to Nebulos and arrived to join them, Kup had been bonded to the Nebulan Recoil, and was the first to display his new powers to the shocked Prime. Alas, even with this added power, the Autobots were unable to prevent the Decepticons from stealing back the Plasma Energy Chamber key. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 2}}

Pursuing the Decepticons back to Cybertron, Kup delivered the shocking report to his fellow Autobots that the planet itself had disappeared. The Decepticons had, in fact, moved it into Earth's orbit, where Galvatron intended to open the Plasma Energy Chamber and overload the sun, destroying both planets in one fell swoop. As the chamber was opened, Kup and all the other Transformers on the planet were disabled by its energy, but thankfully, Spike Witwicky and the Autobots' Nebulan partners were able to stop the process and use the energy to revitalize Cybertron, bring about a new Golden Age for the planet. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}
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====Madman ''The Transformers'' comic====
[[Image:Madman comic HotRod sigh.jpg|left|150px|thumb|"You're gonna be the death of that guy, you know?"]]
In the year 2001, the Decepticons had managed to conquer Cybertron completely. Before Optimus Prime left to lead the evacuation of the remaining Autobots on their home planet, he told Ultra Magnus about his intention to hide the Autobot Matrix of Leadership at a not-so-secret bunker on the construction site of the future Autobot City on Earth. The Decepticon [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and his array of [[Decepticon Mini-Cassette]]a managed to spy on meeting and moved to capture the Autobot relic for the Decepticon cause, but fortunately that young lad Hot Rod foiled their dastardly and vague plans. Upon arriving on Earth, Kup was present when Hot Rod returned the Matrix to Optimus, and explained the strange Matrix-induced vision he received, to which Optimus Prime commented that perhaps Hot Rod's destiny was greater than the young Autobot realised. Kup had a decidedly different opinion, however. {{storylink|The Transformers (Madman)|The Transformers}}
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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
{{note|The events of the Generation 1 cartoon occur in Japanese animated continuity as described above, except that the events of "The Rebirth" do not occur. Additionally, this continuity moves the events of 2006 to 2010, and inserts several additional events into the newly-created intervening years.}}

=====''Story of the Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers''=====

[[Image:Kup_g1manga.jpg|right|thumb]]
Responding to an SOS from deep space, a team of Autobots including Kup helped rescue a human spacecraft from the jaws of a shaceship-eating Decepticon vessel. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 1|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #1}}

When the Autobots were attacked by the [[Megatron Military]], Kup was decidedly puzzled, as he had understood that Megatron had been recreated as Galvatron. The Megatrons proved to be tough opponents, and Kup and the other Autobots encouraged Rodimus to get away to safety while they held the Megatrons back, but the Autobot leader refused. Soon, it was discovered that one of the Megatrons was Galvatron in disguise, who was remote-controlling the duplicate Megatrons himself. Rodimus dispatched Galvatron, and the Megatrons lost power, allowing Kup and [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] to make short work of them. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 2|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #2}}

After Ultra Magnus and Metroplex repelled an attack on Autobot City, Kup was among the Autobots who came to Earth to congratulate their efforts. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 3}} Later, Kup was part of the Autobot team who travelled to the planet [[Feminia]] to defend its [[Prime Energy]] against a Decepticon attack. Kup deduced that the villains would deploy [[Predaking]] to steal the energy, and he was right, but thankfully, arrival of the [[Omnibot]]s won the day. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 5|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #5}}
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=====''The Great Transformer War''=====
Kup watched the battle between the upgraded [[Abominus]] and [[Computron]], {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 2|The Great Transformer War #2}} then later joined Hot Rod, Springer and the resurrected Optimus Prime in battling Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge and the Sweeps in space shortly after Prime was resurrected. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 3|The Great Transformer War #3}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Osamu Saka]]

[[Image:kup_and_fortress.jpg|left|240px|thumb|"I'm gonna get me a job! A real Malibu...and see if Stacy... can help... invent... me... young... Help!"]]

In 2011, one year after Optimus Prime's resurrection, Kup was stationed on Cybertron when [[Vector Sigma]] began to destabilize as a result of the release of the Matrix's energy. Exploiting the opening, the Decepticons invaded the planet, and, at Optimus Prime's command, Kup withdrew to the Autobots' secondary headquarters on the planet [[Athenia]]. This sudden, violent re-ignition of the Transformers' war stirred four-million-year-old memories in Kup, but Spike stopped him before he got started by informing that this wasn't a time when thinking of the past was going to do any good. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} As it turned out, the past ''did'' play a major role in winning the battle, when a mysterious spaceship arrived carrying new Autobot warriors who helped turned the tide of the battle. These new "Headmasters" were led by a robot named [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress]], who turned out to be an old friend of Kup's who had left Cybertron four million years ago to escape the war. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}}

[[Image:Headmasters_threestooges.jpg|240px|right|thumb|Blurr considers the wisdom of his decision to let Kup sleep with his [[Arcee (G1)|girlfriend]]]]

Kup stayed on Athenia with [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]], Wheelie and [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]] while the other Autobots began searching across Earth for the Matrix, which had been hidden away by Optimus Prime, but which would be necessary to stabilize Vector Sigma. Kup recalled the battle on Feminia and told the other Autobots to trust in Hot Rod – and Kup's trust was not misplaced, as Hot Rod and the Headmasters soon had the Matrix in their hands. Kup's team returned to Cybertron to monitor Vector Sigma as its condition grew worse, but alas, before Hot Rod (now Rodimus Prime once again) could use the Matrix to stabilize the computer, Optimus Prime sacrificed himself by merging with it to bring it back under control. {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}

Kup later conferred with Rodimus Prime on the Decepticons' new weapon, the [[Madmachine]], and tried to help console the [[Autobot Mini-Cassette]]s over the loss of [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}} Not long after, when Athenia was threatened by the Deceptiocons' metal-warping meteor, [[Metamorpho]], Kup hit upon the idea of sending a human to disable the space-rock, as they would be unaffected by its powers. {{storylink|Approach of the Demon Meteorite}}

Rodimus Prime was on a mission to Earth when an SOS from the planet [[Praum]] reached Kup, Arcee and Blurr on Athenia, reminding Kup of several times in the past when the Decepticons deliberately attacked when the Autobots were without a commander. Kup was eager to go into battle on Praum alongside the Headmasters, but they encouraged him to stay behind and guard Athenia with Blurr and Arcee. {{storylink|The Four-Million-Year-Old Veil of Mystery}}

[[Image:Headmasters_rodimus_kup_blurr.jpg|240px|left|thumb|You...shall not...PASS!]]

When the Decepticons launched a massive attack on Cybertron in order to obtain a new alloy created by Vector Sigma named [[Cybertonuron]], Kup and Arcee leapt into action, but were held up from joining the battle when they had to stop to pull Blurr free of the chair he'd managed to get stuck in. They soon made it to Cybertron, however, and watched from the sidelines as Rodimus battled Galvatron. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}} When Galvatron broke off the fight, Rodimus and Kup withdrew to debate strategy with Fortress, but the bad news kept on coming: [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] reported in to inform them that the Decepticon had planted bombs at the core of Cybertron which would destroy the planet within ten minutes. With no possible recourse, the Autobots evacuated Cybertron just before the bombs detonated, reducing the planet to a burnt-out husk. Deciding that the age of his generation had come to an end, Rodimus Prime passed the mantle of [[Supreme Commander]] to Fortress and prepared to embark on a mission to find a new planet on which the Transformers could make their home. Kup and Blurr announced that they would accompany Rodimus on his mission, and the trio departed for space. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 2}}

{{Note|Whether or not Kup, Rodimus and Blurr succeeded in their mission is never explicitly revealed. While Rodimus returns in the [[The Headmasters issue 8|final issue]] of the [[The Headmasters (manga)|''Headmasters'' manga]], Kup does not reappear.}}

=====''15 Go! Go!''=====
[[Image:TGGKup.jpg|right|100px|thumb|"I'm a crazy old man! Pay attention to me!"]]
While on her journey through time and space, [[Teletraan 15]] found herself in a future era where she was harassed by a feisty Wheelie. Kup—now bonded to Recoil—came to the rescue, grabbing Wheelie by the scruff of the neck and tossing him away. As Teletraan 15 looked up at him with sparkly eyes and thanked him for his help, he claimed he recognized her and gave her a big old spine-cracking hug. As Kup started rambling about some past encounter they had supposedly had with giant Ick-Yaks, Teletraan 15's sarcastic partner, [[Teletraan 10]], boggled over the sheer scientific illogicality of Kup's "musket laser", unable to comprehend how something that shot acid could be classified as a laser. Suddenly, Kup realized that he actually had ''no idea'' who Teletraan 15 was, and drove off. {{storylink|15 Go! Go!|15 Go! Go! Chapter 4}}
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===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{note|Events from the [[The Transformers (Marvel Comics)|UK-only]] comic stories are in italics.}}
Kup and a platoon of Autobots were feeling pretty good about their mission on [[Deneb IV]] when suddenly the entire platoon was nearly washed away by a surprise Decepticon attack of acid rain. {{storylink|The Desert Island of Space!}}

[[Image:KupsStoryKup01.jpg|right|200px|thumb|"It all started back in nineteen dickety-two. We had to say 'dickety' 'cause the [[Liokaiser|Kaiser]] had stolen our word 'twenty'. I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles..."]]
''Several hundred years ago, Kup became afflicted with [[combat fatigue]], a loss of nerves and will brought on by too many millions of years of non-stop fighting. Considering himself a liability to the Autobot cause, Kup went into "retirement", wandering space alone in his starship, waiting for the end eventually to take him. He was shaken out of his misery when he crossed paths with a pair of [[Tyroxian]] [[Tyroxian space transport|fighters]] attempting to destroy a lone spacecraft. Spurred into action, Kup disabled the pursuers and brought the hunted pilot on-board, and was surprised to finding he was a fellow Autobot named Hot Rod. Hot Rod was thrilled to have found aid and eagerly tried to recruit Kup into helping him return to [[Tyroxia]] and save his comrade [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]], but Kup wasn't interested in getting involved any further, and he only agreed to take Hot Rod back to Cybertron. The young punk reprogrammed the ship's navigation computers, though, and landed on Tyroxia to rescue Blurr by himself. Kup was finally shaken out of his funk when he realized that Hot Rod represented everything he used to be, and he single-handedly saved Hot Rod and Blurr from their Tyroxian tormentors. His fighting spirit restored, Kup returned to Cybertron with the two Autobots and joined [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]'s troops alongside his new allies. {{storylink|Kup's Story!}}''

[[Image:RingofHate-Kup.jpg|left|thumb|250px|"I'll cry when I'm done killing!"]]

When Fortress Maximus became disheartened by the never-ending cycle of violence on Cybertron, he made plans to escape the war and set up a new life on the planet [[Nebulos]]. Though Kup's actions had become a violent mirror of their so-called enemies, he and many of his top warriors chose to follow their leader to this new world aboard the starship ''[[Steelhaven]]''. Tragically, a series of incidents and misunderstandings brought the Autobots and Nebulans to the brink of war within days of their arrival. Kup, forgetting why he had traveled there to begin with, was very happy to return fire, and was only stopped by Fortress Maximus himself. They retreated, and in a desperate attempt to show their true intentions, Fort Max, Kup and several others disarmed themselves in front of the Nebulan gates. Furthermore, Fortress Maximus and four of his lieutenants beheaded themselves and agreed to leave their lifeless heads and bodies, as well as their various weapons, in Nebulan custody so that serious peace talks could be conducted. {{storylink|Ring of Hate!}}

[[Image:BrothersinArmor-Targetmasters.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Pretty sure this breaks Nebulos's concealed weapons laws!]]

Kup helped build an Autobot camp in a forest clearing during Fortress Maximus's absence. Soon, their camp was visited by Nebulan representatives from the [[Council of Peers]] interested in learning more about their interplanetary visitors, and Kup was glad to oblige. But one of the representatives, [[Zarak (Nebulan)|Lord Zarak]], used the meeting as an opportunity to contact the Autobots' enemies, the Decepticons. {{storylink|Broken Glass!}}

Matters quickly deteriorated after the arrival of the Decepticons, and two factions of Nebulans joined with both Autobots and Decepticons through bio-mechanical engineering to become [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]]. Events turned against the Autobots as Lord Zarak, who had binary-bonded to Decepticon leader [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], was able to sway public opinion in favor of the Decepticons, labeling the Autobots as renegades and taking their Headmasters prisoner. Some Nebulans remained loyal to Fortress Maximus's partner, [[Galen]], and traveled to the Autobot camp to forge an alliance. Making use of a new form of bio-mechanical engineering, Kup and the other weaponless Autobots were teamed with Nebulan Targetmasters to replace their lost guns. Kup personally was teamed with Recoil. As the conflict continued, though, both camps of Nebulans began to realize the devastation they were causing to their homeworld, and they decided to leave Nebulos and travel to Earth in search of other Transformers. {{storylink|Brothers in Armor!!}}

[[Image:Kupdesertisland.jpg|left|100px|thumb|Kup finds a new young upstart to latch onto.]]

When Galen died on Earth and his role as Fortress Maximus's Headmaster partner was assumed by [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]], Spike led Kup and the other Targetmasters on a mission to the [[Club Con|Decepticon's island headquarters]] to rescue his brother, [[Buster Witwicky]]. Kup voiced bad feelings about the rescue mission, especially about Spike's suitability to lead the mission. However, when Spike continued fighting despite repeated setbacks, Kup admitted that although Spike brought too much sentiment into the battle, he backed his emotionalism with guts. {{storylink|The Desert Island of Space!}} Soon, Fortress Maximus's Autobots met up with the Earth-bound Autobots led by [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], and somehow the two Autobot camps wound up witnessing a battle between Grimlock and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] for Autobot leadership. Kup, along with the Autobots from both camps, began to watch this battle on Earth's [[Moon (moon)|moon]] when [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]'s Decepticons unleashed a surprise attack. {{storylink|Totaled!}}

After Optimus Prime's return, Kup took over as Prime's head of security aboard the Ark. When Prime took most of the Autobots to Earth to defend [[MacDill Air Force Base]] from the [[Micromaster]] [[Air Strike Patrol]], Kup and the other Autobots who remained on board the Ark were defeated by [[Blackjack]]. Kup was the first to reawaken, however he startled Blackjack as he was arming a series of explosive charges, and the explosives were regrettably armed. {{storylink|All the Familiar Faces!}} The countdown could not be stopped, but Kup refused to jettison themselves from the Ark, leaving their fallen comrades in the med bay to die. But an answer presented itself when Ratchet contacted them from Cybertron, as he had been kidnapped by Megatron. Ratchet orchestrated a trans-dimensional gate to send the explosives to Megatron's headquarters on Cybertron, which saved Kup and everyone else on board, but seemed to have killed both Ratchet and Megatron. {{storylink|Skin Deep}}

Optimus Prime was hit hard by Ratchet's death, which alarmed Hot Rod and caused Kup to worry about the future of their cause. Subsequently, when Prime walked out on the Autobots, Kup was incredibly alarmed, but not as much as when he learned Hot Rod had a "plan" to win Prime back. Hot Rod let loose a [[Mark V Guardian droid]] on the ship, which he secretly controlled, but it turned on its master and Kup and the others were brutally attacked. To Hot Rod's credit, this did jolt Prime to his senses, though Kup was probably too damaged to "thank" him. {{storylink|Yesterday's Heroes!}}

''While Kup spent some down time with Hot Rod and a few others, the Ark was attacked by [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] and his acolytes! Kup helped repel the intruders, who were seeking revenge on [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] and [[Siren]]. {{storylink|Assault on the Ark!}}''

The [[Matrix Quest]] resulted in the Decepticon [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] being possessed by the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]] and running amok in the Ark's docking bay. Kup and two other Autobots tried to sneak up on Thunderwing as he accosted Optimus Prime, but Thunderwing had grown too omniscient by then, and Kup was noticed and forced to retreat. After Thunderwing and the Matrix were jettisoned off the Ark, Kup was helped up off the ground by another Autobot. {{storylink|All Fall Down (issue)|All Fall Down}}

[[Image:Kuppriceoflife.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Experience, lad. You'll learn to appreciate it.]]

During one of Kup's sweeps of the Ark, he caught Grimlock trying to swipe the bodies of his fallen Dinobots from their life support pods. Grimlock cold-cocked him and escaped with the bodies in a [[All-Terrain Turbo-Transport|stolen shuttle]]. {{storylink|Eye of the Storm!}} Kup recovered to find a monster forged from the bodies of [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], which Optimus Prime refused to kill. It fell on Kup to tell Optimus his decisions were causing him to lose the support of the Autobots, and Prime's recently-announced decision to surrender to Scorponok didn't help things either. Kup reasoned that even if there was some part of Ratchet still inside the creature, Ratchet himself would not want to go on living in this fashion. Prime refused to kill the creature, but when Kup told him that the creature's unchecked destruction could end up destroying the Ark and everyone on board, Prime reluctantly had a change of heart. However, when it came down to it, Prime couldn't pull the trigger, and despite the objections of Kup and the others, he ordered them separated, even though it would mean Megatron would live. {{storylink|The Price of Life!}}

[[Image:Surrender-Kuptruck.jpg|left|100px|thumb|He's a pic'''kup''' truck, get it?]]

As planned, Prime surrendered his troops to Scorponok on the terms that they would consider an alliance against [[Unicron]]. Kup didn't take this very well, and when he was laughed at while surrendering [[Recoil|his weapon]], he lashed out at [[Apeface]] before being stopped by Prime. Kup told him he once knew an Optimus Prime who would have found another way, a Prime that would never ever surrender. [[Misfire]] was happy to interrupt this argument so that he could escort Kup to his cell. But Prime quickly grew restless in his own cell and, having disposed of [[Soundwave (G1)|his guard]], he tracked down Kup and Hot Rod and asked them for his help. Though Hot Rod leaped at the chance, Kup was not so easily won back. Prime pleaded with him at length, explaining that as a warrior race that had battled for millions of years, that surrender would actually take the most courage of all! Realizing Prime was right, Kup agreed to help him and Hot Rod storm Lord Zarak's chambers. As Hot Rod grabbed Zarak, Kup sideswiped Scorponok's guard, [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], in vehicle mode, but transformed too close to Scorponok's body, so Zarak ordered it to grip its claw around his head. Kup told Hot Rod not to spare Zarak for his sake, but Prime stopped them both, insisting that each faction had to trust each other if they were to survive against Unicron. Zarak was persuaded, but before a handshake would have sealed the deal, the Decepticons' underground base collapsed in on itself as a rogue group of Decepticons led by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] attacked above. {{storylink|Surrender!}}

[[Image:EdgeofExtinction-survivors.jpg|right|thumb|150px|"Hey, Kup, you ever see anything like this before?" "Yeah, a movie. 1986. Starred Leonard Nimoy."]]

As the dust settled, Kup asked Prime if their truce meant they should be helping gather the Decepticons' wounded. Prime told him and [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] to instead focus on briefing the other Autobots as they emerged fromt he wreckage and containing the growing battle so that it would not spill out into [[New York City]]. {{storylink|...All This and Civil War 2}} Things naturally escalated out of hand, and so Kup had the bright idea to enlist the Decepticon hypnotist [[Mindwipe]] at gunpoint, and had him "convince" his fellow Decepticons to lay down their arms for the greater good. This was working swimmingly until suddenly Kup and every other Transformer on Earth was suddenly raptured away to Cybertron. {{storylink|Out of Time!}} Kup was startled to see their creator, [[Primus]], speaking to them through the body of [[Emirate Xaaron]]. Primus told Kup and the others of their eternal battle with Unicron, and of his imminent arrival. In response to this, [[Unicron cultist]]s rose up from amongst the Cybertronians to destroy Primus' chosen leader, Optimus Prime, and Kup was more than happy to beat the cultists back into submission. They succeeded, but while Primus had begun lecturing his Transformers again, Kup's attention was elsewhere. He interrupted, wondering how exactly no one had noticed Unicron himself sneak up on the planet, clawed hand looming over their heads. {{storylink|The Void! (US)|The Void!}}

Kup and [[Getaway]] helped get Optimus Prime to safety, as their leader had succumbed to mysterious pain. Though Unicron ravaged the planet and destroyed countless Transformers, ultimately Optimus Prime sacrificed himself to destroy him, and Kup was among the lucky few who were still standing as Unicron's ashes fell to the planet's surface. {{storylink|On the Edge of Extinction!}} Kup and a handful of others found what was left of Optimus Prime's body, and he watched Prowl cradle their leader as he died. {{storylink|Still Life!}}

[[Image:EndOfTheRoad-finalfive.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Hey, these final five aren't Cylons at all!]]

Under the dubious leadership of Grimlock, the Autobots left their dying world and followed the Decepticons to [[Klo]], but the Decepticons were waiting for them. In the massacre that followed, Kup was among the final five Autobots who had eluded death. But he and the others did not avoid capture for long, as a team of Decepticons found them hiding in the swamps. Amazingly, they were able to overpower these Decepticons and return to the main battlegrounds, where Optimus Prime had returned to them in a new body, thanks to the [[Neo-Knights]] and the [[Last Autobot]]! With the Last Autobots' godlike resurrection powers, Kup and the other Autobots were able to overwhelm the Decepticons, who retreated like whipped dogs. The war was over, and Optimus Prime told them it was time to go home! {{storylink|End of the Road! (US)|End of the Road!}}

In an alternate future of 2009, the Autobots were overwhelmed by the forces of evil. Unicron consumed Cybertron utterly, and Earth came under heavy fire from Galvatron and his Decepticon legions. Kup and Blurr were personally executed by Cyclonus and Scourge. {{storylink|Rhythms of Darkness!}}
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=====Marvel UK future timelines=====
{{quote|Will it work, Kup? I mean, 1986 seems like a long time ago!}}
{{quote|Yesterday, lad, just yesterday!|'''Hot Rod''' and '''Kup''' discuss their upcoming [[time travel]]|"[[Target: 2006]] part 6"}}

''In 2003, Kup was given the job of decoying the Decepticons over the plans for Autobot City. Ultra Magnus needed to get the plans to Earth's various governments unimpeded, while also taking steps to ensure the Decepticons would not get in the way of the Autobot efforts to build the city. So, he made an open and showy display of tasking Kup with being the courier that would bring the information to the humans. Sure enough, the Decepticon spy [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] overheard those plans and sent the [[Stunticon]]s out to intercept the old Autobot. Despite Hot Rod's good-intentioned efforts to stop them, the Stunticons made off with the fake plans, secure in their knowledge that they now knew the secrets of Autobot City. {{storylink|Ark Duty}} Kup was also present at the grand opening of the city a year later. {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!}}''

[[Image:Target2006-BlurrHotRodKup.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Is this the Fifties? Or nineteen-ninety-nine?]]

''After the attack on Autobot City in 2006, Kup, Hot Rod and Blurr received a psychic prodding from Unicron, alerting them to Galvatron's travel through the timestream back to 1986. Using Galvatron's own time-jump mechanisms, the Autobot trio followed him back into the past, mass-displacing [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] in the process. Apparently reaching an instinctive conclusion that Galvatron could never be returned to the future by force, Kup and his comrades conspired with the Ultra Magnus of 1986 to trick the Decepticon into returning of his own volition.''

''As Ultra Magnus kept Galvatron busy, the future trio made arrangements to discourage him from staying. When he returned to his base, Galvatron found his henchmen knocked unconscious and his super-weapon rigged to explode. Once it did, he was confronted with a taunting [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] claiming credit, and he was egged into blowing the treacherous Decepticon into smithereens. Believing Starscream's death at this juncture altered history, making his actions in 1986 part of an alternate timeline that wouldn't affect his own future, Galvatron reluctantly gave up his plans, picked up his goons, and returned to the future. Kup and his comrades, having successfully framed Starscream and driven Galvatron away, returned to 2006 themselves soon after. {{storylink|Target: 2006}}''

[[Image:KupUK114-01.jpg|left|200px|thumb|"Little known fact: I owned the first radio on Cybertron. T'weren't much on back then, just Shockwave reciting the alphabet over and over. 'A' he'd say. Then 'B'. 'C' would usually follow..."]]
''After Unicron was defeated in 2006 and Hot Rod rose to become [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]], Galvatron went missing. Unable to accept the Decepticon leader was truly dead without seeing the body, Rodimus Prime went searching for him with Kup and Blurr. Unfortunately, his lax attention to Cybertron gave the new Decepticon commander, Shockwave, time to consolidate the army under his control and begin the war anew. Rodimus was forced to return to Cybertron empty-handed, and he only made matters worse when he rashly took out a 10,000-[[shanix]] reward for any bounty hunter who could find Galvatron for him. This led to a freelance peacekeeping agent named [[Death's Head]] traveling back in time to 1987, where he had learned Galvatron had escaped after the battle with Unicron. {{storylink|Wanted:Galvatron — Dead or Alive!}} Realizing that a trigger-happy mercenary messing with the timestream was just as dangerous as Galvatron could ever be, Rodimus arranged a time-jump to clean up his mess, taking Kup, Blurr and [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] back to 1987 along with him. {{storylink|Burning Sky!}}''

''In the past, the future Autobots once again found the 20th-century Ultra Magnus fighting with Galvatron, as the Decepticon leader attempted to extract vast amounts of energy from a volcano. Mere seconds after locating Galvatron and engaging him in combat, however, Kup and Blurr were knocked off-line when Galvatron hurled Ultra Magnus's beaten body at them. {{storylink|Hunters}} After regrouping, the Autobots concocted a plan to steal Galvatron's time-jump mechanism and rewire it to propel them all back to their proper place and time. While Kup and the others distracted Galvatron, Wreck-Gar and Rodimus Prime attempted to make the proper modifications. In the end, however, only the Autobots were launched back to the future; Galvatron had modified the device so that the temporal backlash did not affect him, and he stayed in the past. {{storylink|Fire on High!}}''

''In 2008, Kup was on hand to witness a full-scale Decepticon assault at Autobase on Cybertron. He fought alongside Rodimus Prime and the other Autobots and, when Rodimus traveled to the planet of [[Junkion (planet)|Junk]] to deal with Unicron (the cause behind the Decepticon offensive), Kup stepped up to lead the remaining Autobot forces alongside Ultra Magnus until [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] sounded a retreat and the Decepticons fled. {{storylink|The Legacy of Unicron!}} Later that year, Autobot City was attacked by [[Quintesson]]s, and the deactivated Autobots were hung out on the outer walls as a warning for any would-be rescuers. Kup came to Earth with Rodimus Prime and crew to deal with the usurpers, and he led an advance team of Blurr, [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] and [[Wide Load]] in searching the complex. They were caught in a heated battle with the Quintessons' shock troopers, but managed to hold their own long enough for Roddy to reach the control center and activate [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] himself. Resistance faltered rather quickly after that. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}''

''As time passed, the long-term effects of Galvatron's presence in the past became overwhelming. A full-on time storm began brewing at both ends of the timeline, 1989 and 2009. In order to set the universe back on the right course, Rodimus Prime and Kup chose to travel back in time with Blurr, Arcee, Ultra Magnus and [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] to retrieve Galvatron. No, really, for sure this time. Problem was, this time their mass-displacement upon arrival took out 1989's Optimus Prime and several fellow Autobots, leading to more than a little consternation among their 20th-century counterparts. [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], guided by his neophyte [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster partner]], [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]], jumped to the conclusion that Optimus was dead and led his Autobots into battle with Rodimus and his group. Kup didn't fare too well at trying to fight [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] hand-to-hand, but soon cooler heads prevailed, and the Autobots joined forces not only with each other, but with a pair of detachments from the 1989 and 2009 Decepticon camps as well.''

[[Image:KupMagnusTimeWars01.jpg|right|180px|thumb|"Kup has something you college boys don't: life experience! Tell 'em, Kup."<br />"I spent 53 years as night watchman at a cranberry silo."]]
''As the various groups tracked down Galvatron, they were shocked to find that not only had he joined forces with Megatron, but that the two of them had laid waste to the Cybertronian teams of the Autobot [[Wrecker]]s and the Decepticon [[Mayhem Attack Squad]]. Kup joined Arcee and Ultra Magnus in trying to gun down Megatron, but was batted aside by the Decepticon's [[fusion cannon]] and lay unconscious, out of the battle for the rest of the conflict. Still, Galvatron was ultimately destroyed in battle with Optimus Prime and consumed wholly by the timestorm, restoring the timestream to a stable place. Kup and the other 2009 Autobots gathered together and prepared to return home to their lives. {{storylink|Time Wars}}''

''It didn't quite work out that way.''

''Back in 2009, the Autobots were horrified to find that Galvatron waited for them on Cybertron. It seemed the restoration of the timeline prevented Galvatron from having ever traveled back in time, and thus he had been present at the Decepticons' side for the last few years, which considerably altered the war effort in their favor. In the new 21st century, Galvatron and the Decepticons virtually controlled Cybertron, and only a few token bands of Autobot resistance remained on their home planet. Kup and the returnees adjusted as best they could, but the odds were hopelessly against them. The resistance on Cybertron ended when Galvatron and his men ransacked a resistance station, killing Blurr and the other Autobots present. Galvatron mutilated the corpses to drive Rodimus Prime into a killing frenzy, hoping to corrupt the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] itself through its host. Indeed, Kup and Arcee began experiencing fire in the depths of their souls before they managed to talk down Rodimus. The Autobots of Cybertron were then forced to flee the world entirely. {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!}}''

''On their voyage back to Earth and Autobot City, the Autobot shuttlecraft had just entered hyperspace when [[Pincher]] and [[Doubleheader]] alerted Kup to a problem: sabotage. Someone had killed a guard and torn up the engine room, damaging the guidance systems so that the ship would be flying blind when they came out of warp into who-knows-what. Sure enough, the ship materialized too close to Earth, and another bit of sabotage prevented the emergency retros from stopped their descent. It was going to be a heavy hit. What's worse, Kup's efforts to isolate the Decepticon life-signs of their saboteur turned up a nasty truth: No additional life signs were present on the shuttle. The saboteur was an Autobot! {{storylink|The Void! (UK)|The Void!}} After failing to locate Rodimus Prime during the time the sabotage was being committed, Kup had a sinking feeling and set up a ruse to test Prime. When Arcee left to try and enter the sealed retro room through the air vents, Kup told Rodimus she was actually going to sneak through the coolant tanks. Fortunately for their landing, Arcee succeeded just in time. Unfortunately for...well, everything else, Kup was right: Rodimus Prime was the saboteur, possessed by the pure malevolence of Unicron, which had taken up residence inside the Matrix sometime ago. Apparently Galvatron's efforts to corrupt Rodimus back on Cybertron had jarred loose enough evil for Unicron to take hold on Rodimus Prime's consciousness. {{storylink|Edge of Impact}}''

''Battling the power of the Matrix influenced by the Devil himself, the Autobots were sorely outmatched against Rodimus. Despite Arcee's urgings, Kup desperately searched for another option besides lethal force. {{storylink|Shadow of Evil}} In the short term, Kup seemed to be correct: Rodimus managed to fight back Unicron's evil, caging it inside the Matrix long enough for Kup to remove the object from Rodimus's chest, temporarily severing their link. {{storylink|White Fire}} In the long term, however, the threat was far from over. Rodimus would again be consumed by evil in 2010, this time metamorphosing into Unicron reborn for a time, before caging the evil again. Kup and Arcee were present at this second rise of Unicron, but their ultimate fate is unknown. It is telling, however, that Rodimus Prime appears to be beaten, ill, and totally alone by the time of 2356. {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!}}''

====Generation 2====
[[Image:WarWithoutEnd-Kup.jpg|left|300px|thumb|SKAZ!]]
After the Autobot army splintered throughout the universe, Kup was working alongside Optimus Prime and Hot Rod. In mid-battle, Kup had to verbally nudge Prime out of his apocalyptic visions. [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] summoned Prime and his forces for help and Kup was present as Grimlock explained his discovery of several "little Cybertrons". The Autobots soon learned of [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Liege Centuro]] and his [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronians]] when Jhiaxus attacked them and took them prisoner. Kup and other Autobots were rescued by Prime and Grimlock from confinement on the [[Twilight]]. {{storylink|War Without End!}}

Kup kicked a lot of skidplate during the battle between the Autobots and Cybertronians in the [[K'tord Nebula]]. It was soon learned that bots on both sides were infected by some kind of parasitic entity that fed off of rage. Kup was so under its influence that Optimus Prime had to hold him back from attacking one of the enemy. {{storylink|Primal Fear!}}

[[Image:G2kupwonderspowerandglory.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"If even Hot Rod can be responsible, what chance do I have?"]]
Kup appeared as one of many dismembered corpses in one of Optimus Prime's apocalyptic visions. As Optimus reached toward Kup, an [[Swarm (G2)|inky black substance]] shot out of Kup's mouth, enveloped Prime and started to devour him. The real Kup then physically shook Optimus out of this vision, remarking that Transformers don't sleep. The crusty old Autobot reported that Grimlock had, against Prime's orders, left with a raiding party in tow. What Kup didn't say is that he wished Grimlock had asked him to come along. He got his chance to fight later when he went with Prime to rescue Grimlock from his bungled surprise attack on the Cybertronians. {{storylink|Devices and Desires! (Marvel)|Devices and Desires!}}

Kup supervised war games between the Autobots as they waited for Optimus Prime to finish his quasi-mystical journey into the depths of Cybertron. {{storylink|The Power and the Glory}} Later, Kup fought with Autobots and Decepticons to repel the Cybertronian attack on the planet [[Ethos]]. {{storylink|Escalation!}}

Helping mop up after the attacks on [[Earth]] by [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] and Jhiaxus, Kup reported the sorry state of their fortifications to Grimlock when the Swarm attacked their position. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!}}
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===Toy pack-in material===
Kup attended an emergency meeting led by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] after the [[Creation Matrix]] was stolen. Soon, [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] announced his project to confuse the Decepticons using [[decoy]]s. While the decoys attacked Decepticon headquarters, Kup, Ultra Magnus, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], and [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] snuck inside their base to steal back the Matrix. {{storylink|Start Your Own Decoy Collection}}
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===Ladybird Books continuity===
[[Image:GalvatronsAirAttack-KupWheeljackMagnus.jpg|left|thumb|250px|"Why, in my day, we didn't need no stinkin' shoulders!"]]
As a young Autobot, Kup participated in many battles against the Decepticons on Earth. One particularly great battle ended up with many casualties on both sides—casualties whose bodies were simply left in the valley where they died. Many years later, when the Autobots were running out of [[cybernite]] for their repair jobs, Kup recalled this event and suggested that they loot the old bodies for the precious metal. [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] approved, and let Kup lead [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], [[Grapple]], [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] to the valley. On the way, Kup mistook the [[wikipedia:Aurora (astronomy)|aurora borealis]] for a Decepticon attack.

Upon arrival at the valley, Kup spent some time reminiscing about the past, until Grapple told him that they had a mission to complete. However, before the group could find anything of use, they came under attack by a number of [[Seeker|Decepticon jets]] and were forced to retreat. Returning to base, they wondered how the Decepticons had found them so easily, and it was eventually revealed that the Decepticons had constructed a [[Decepticon Space Station Argon|space station]] from which to spy at the Autobots' activities. While the Autobots were incapable of attacking targets in space, Kup remembered the "battle of the [[Green Asteroid]]", during which the Autobots had lured the enemy closer by using false signals. He also recalled Spike telling him that auroras scramble radio signals, and had Wheeljack and [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] construct an artifical aurora machine to mess up the Decepticons' communications. {{storylink|Galvatron's Air Attack}}

[[Image:DecepticonsUnderground-Kup.jpg|right|thumb|150px|"Yo."<br>"Yo."]]

Eventually, Kup found himself stationed at [[Nebulos]], where the Decepticons were collecting energy via a "[[tetrahedron]]" at the planet's north pole. Alongside Blurr and [[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]], he was part of [[Brainstorm]]'s "Operation Heatwave", which consisted of using high-temperature lasers to melt the ice below [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] and the energy-collecting facility. {{storylink|Decepticons at the Pole}} Some time later, the Autobots started running out of lubricants, leading to Kup's joints creaking something fierce, so naturally he was overjoyed when the Autobots found a legendary Nebulan [[oil]] lake. However, as soon as they started pumping the oil back to base, the Decepticons destroyed their oil pipe, so Kup, his Targetmaster partner Recoil and [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] were forced to do a quick repair job. A second Decepticon attack soon followed, so the three fled into the Nebulan desert... only for Kup to get stuck to a rock when the area turned out to be magnetic. [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] soon saved him by neutralizing the magnetic field with an impact from his grenade launcher. {{storylink|Autobots Strike Oil}}

Highbrow later got kidnapped by the Decepticons and held ransom in exchange for Optimus Prime himself. When Prime decided to perform a rescue operation, Kup offered to come with him, but the Autobot leader had a different plan. {{storylink|Autobot Hostage}} After a few peaceful weeks with the Decepticons nowhere to be found, Prime got suspicious and ordered Kup to organize long-range patrols to find out what they were up to. The patrols scoured the entire planet except for the [[Nebulos Triangle]], as Kup explained that nobody had ever entered that area and returned. {{storylink|Decepticons Underground}}
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===''Big Looker Storybook'' continuity===
[[Image:Carshowblowupkup.jpg|left|200px|thumb|My Buddy! Wherever I go, he goes!]]
Kup and Hot Rod traveled to the coliseum to check out a robot car the [[human]]s had built that could respond to voice commands. They heard about it on their car radios! But when they arrived at the coliseum, Kup spotted Decepticons flying about. As some entered the back door, Kup shooed Hot Rod away, telling him to warn the others. If Hot Rod stayed, he would just get into trouble! Sneaking around inside, he eventually made his way up to the control room, where [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] and the other Decepticons were rigging the lighting. They were planning on stealing the robot car! Kup decided to leave and tell the others, but he was spotted by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. The evil Decepticons tied up Kup so that he wouldn't interfere.

As a parade of cars entered the coliseum and the crowds cheered, Kup worried about the safety of the humans. If only he could warn them. Kup got his chance when Galvatron ran towards the controls, telling [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] to pull the switch. Kup tripped Galvatron, and Galvatron came tumbling through the glass and onto the coliseum floor! For a short while, there was a stalemate; the Decepticons had Kup captive, but the Autobots had Galvatron! Thankfully, Hot Rod snuck up behind Kup and freed him. Yelling "Geronimo!" they jumped from the control room onto the coliseum floor, taking the Decepticons by surprise. Galvatron and the others escaped, but Kup and Hot Rod agreed that they'd be ready for him when he returned. {{storylink|Car Show Blow Up}}

[[Image:Wildboyofquintessonbattle.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Children's storybooks sure are violent.]]
Later, Kup, led [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], and the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] on a special mission to take supplies from Earth to a space station on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s second moon. Despite Kup's warnings, the Dinobots loaded too many supplies onto the ship, and in the middle of their journey, the ship began to have problems. Kup tried everything, but the ship was going down! It crashed on a planet, but everyone landed safely. Unfortunately, Kup recognized the place. It was the planet [[Quintessa|Quintesson]]! They were interrupted by a tribal scream and a flurry of firestones. However, the boy who made his presence known was not aiming at them, but at the Quintessons behind them. The boy's name was [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]], and he had been abandoned on the planet when his ship crashed their earlier.

Wheelie led them through the jungle, battling Quintessons along the way, until they reached Wheelie's crashed ship. Hot Rod was able to fix it, and everyone left the planet Quintesson, Wheelie included! {{storylink|The Story of Wheelie, the Wild Boy of Quintesson}}
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===''The Transformers in 3-D''===
[[Image:Kupin3d.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Someone hasn't been paying attention!]]
Eons ago, Kup fought against a third race of Transformers, the [[Destructon]]s. They almost destroyed the galaxy! But presently they were returning to the Transformers' civil war. But the Autobots were more immediately concerned with the Decepticons, who were trailing them across the galaxy. Kup assured them all that they would never ever die.
{{storylink|The War Against the Destructons, Chapter 1 of 3}}
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===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Skidswheeljackgrimlockkupironhidetww.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Kup was named after his pickup truck altmode even before he had it!]]

Millions of years ago on Cybertron, shortly after the assassination of [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], Kup was part of an Autobot unit under [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s command which battled for possession of [[Altihex]]. Kup and the other Autobots were forced to abandon the City-State as it collapsed, leaving it to the Decepticons. {{storylink|The War Within issue 1|The War Within #1}}

After a new Prime was coronated, a young archivist named [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], the Decepticons led a full siege on the Autobot headquarters of [[Iacon]]. As per Grimlock's orders, Kup met with him, [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] just outside Iacon on the [[Tri-Torus Loop]], where Kup was shocked to hear Grimlock announce his plan to leave Iacon to the Decepticons. Instead, Grimlock led them deep within the planet, where the new Prime was battling [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] for his life, even though Grimlock had huge doubts over whether Optimus Prime was worth saving. {{storylink|The War Within issue 4|The War Within #4}} Kup confronted Grimlock about his apathy, and asked him if he had ever respected anyone. When Kup got too personal, Grimlock shoved him into a wall. While looking for Prime, however, the Autobots stumbled onto Megatron's real plan. They found a system of planetary engines that Megatron had ordered the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] to restore. While Grimlock went on ahead, determined to find Optimus Prime, Kup and the others stayed behind to sabotage the Constructicons' work. {{storylink|The War Within issue 5|The War within #5}} The Decepticons detected their presence, and so Kup and the others fought a very one-sided battle against them. All hope seemed lost until Grimlock returned... with a very impressive Optimus Prime, who ordered Kup and Ironhide to help him cover Wheeljack's sabotage of the engines.

[[Image:Lightningstrikecoalition.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Every team needs an old guy! Well, two old guys.]]

The engines were destroyed, but Kup and the others were distraught to see the smoking crater where Iacon used to be. Optimus Prime, who was quickly stepping into the role, refused to leave Cybertron, and instead implored Kup and the others to follow him underground, where they would continue to wage their war against the Decepticons. {{storylink|The War Within issue 6|The War Within #6}}

Later, when Optimus Prime and Megatron disappeared in a prototype [[space bridge]] accident, the Autobot faction splintered, and Kup joined Grimlock's [[Lightning Strike Coalition]]. While on the [[Moon Alpha Spaceport]], Kup waxed on about the alleged cosmic destiny of the Transformers and how it contrasted with the stagnation of their race. Grimlock was annoyed with this introspection and urged him to get back to work. The Lightning Strike Coalition was able to thwart Starscream's [[Predacons (War Within)|Predacons]] from keeping their stolen Energon and made a quick retreat with the goods. {{storylink|Fragmentation}}

3.9 million years ago, due to a catastrophically low level of Energon, every Transformer on Earth ground to a halt in the [[Great Shutdown]]. Kup was in the middle of a fight with [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] when this occurred, and the two were frozen in a grappling pose for millions of years. Three thousand years ago, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] awoke from this state and began rehabilitating the rest of the population. He eschewed the Decepticon/Autobot factions and promised a new unified Cybertron. {{storylink|Revelation (War and Peace)|Revelation}}

[[Image:PassiveAggression-KupIronhidereunite.jpg|right|thumb|250px|All old people are friends.]]

However, Kup and a handful of others believed Shockwave had evil motives for this and formed an underground resistance movement deep within the [[Wastelands]]. Things came to a head with the return of Optimus Prime to Cybertron, who had been on Earth for four million years. After disciplining Hot Rod for being an impetuous young punk, Kup explained their situation to Optimus Prime and introduced him to the rest of their members. More of Optimus Prime's comrades from Earth were brought into the resistance, including Kup's old friend Ironhide, and the two shared a heartfelt reunion. {{storylink|Passive Aggression}}

Kup and the others planned an all-out strike against Shockwave's stronghold in [[New Iacon]]. While Kup, [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], and [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] were trapped behind a rampaging [[Guardian robot|Omega Sentinel]], the three witnessed a strange beam emit from the top of Shockwave's stronghold and fire into space. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction}} Shockwave was defeated, but Optimus Prime was severely damaged, and Kup and the others were forced to persist without his leadership while he recovered. {{storylink|Generation One issue 0}} As Kup looked on, Prowl tried to reassure the Autobots with a speech from New Iacon's central hall, but Prowl wasn't terribly good at speeches and so Ultra Magnus filled in. Though Prowl and the other Earthbound Autobots had finally returned home, things just weren't the same. Kup suggested Prowl and the others stop fighting the changes and just accept that they'd happened. This prompted Prowl to consider a return to Earth.

Kup and Hot Rod sparred within a computer-simulated portrayal of Earth. Hot Rod managed to win over his older and wiser opponent, but only in the most reckless way possible, a fact which Kup was unable to impart on the youngster. {{storylink|Lost and Found (issue)|Lost and Found}} Ultra Magnus decided to split the Autobots into teams to better defend Cybertron, and Kup was assigned to [[Moon Base One]] along with the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. Kup did not find this thrilling. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

{{note|And then [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] went bankrupt.}}

===IDW comics continuity===
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[[Image:SpotlightBlaster GetawayKupHufferBroadside.jpg|left|300px|thumb|Kup, before meeting [[Nick Roche]].]]

Kup is extremely old. In years past, he'd trained dozens of Autobots, including [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], [[Springer (G1)|Springer]], [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]], [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]], [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], and even [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Kup}} During the early years of the war after the assassination of [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], Kup was either leading or part of a squad sent to rescue [[Zeta Prime]] when they crossed paths with the famous former racer, [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]]. Kup was skeptical of Blurr's usefulness, but some words from a young [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus]] were able to convince Blurr to alert Zeta Prime of the Decepticons' assassination attempt. {{storylink|Spotlight: Blurr}}

Shortly after [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]'s first apocalyptic assault, the besieged Autobots prepared for the big push against their positions by the Decepticons. Kup was in a trench alongside [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]], Huffer, and the injured [[Getaway]], waiting for [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'s morale-boosting broadcast to the Autobot forces, a transmission that never came. {{storylink|Spotlight: Blaster}}

[[Image:SpotlightKup killingspree.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Who keeps the martians under wraps?]]
At some point after Cybertron was abandoned, Kup and [[Outback]] crash-landed on a mysterious planet covered with radioactive crystals. Over time, Kup was slowly driven insane from the radiation. He talked to the dead corpse of Outback as though he were still alive (and used his disembodied arm as a club) and believed that [[zombie]]s were attacking him when he shut down for the night. In reality, these zombies were fellow Autobots sent to rescue him, and Kup killed several of them before Springer managed to get a [[Trailbreaker (G1)|specialist]] in to extract the aging Autobot. Unfortunately, due to the damage Kup sustained from the radiation, his incompatibility with modern Transformers tech due to his age and stubborn unwillingness to upgrade, and a near-meltdown of his spark, he was placed on life support upon arriving aboard ''[[Ark-17]]'', and it was unknown if he would ever recover, physically or mentally. {{storylink|Spotlight: Kup}}

Springer eventually reported to Optimus Prime that Kup's physical injuries had been repaired, but the state of his mind was still in question. {{storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}}

Kup finally returned to service when Perceptor built a new body for Kup—one that was better and stronger. Perceptor insisted on following Kup on his first few missions, hoping to spot any technical problems. Unfortunately, while Kup and the [[Wrecker]]s were attempting to free Autobot prisoners from a docked Decepticon warship, Perceptor was caught in the crossfire. Kup found aid in a mysterious unaffiliated robot who had similar purposes. Kup quickly deduced that this [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] used to be a Decepticon named Deadlock. When Drift helped Kup blow the ship up and save Perceptor's life, Kup decided Drift was deserving of a second chance. Kup disbanded the Wreckers, formed a new unit, and asked Drift to join. {{storylink|Spotlight: Drift}}

[[Image:Slowmotionmoviewalkahm5.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Kup, after meeting [[Nicholas|Nick Fury]].]]

Kup was now in command of the starship ''[[Trion]]''. With a hand-picked crew comprised of heavy hitters, such as two former Wreckers and Drift, he harried the Decepticon fleet until he was baited into an ambush above Cybertron. There, the ship was shot down and forced to crash-land on the assumed uninhabitable world. Banding together to survive, they eventually encountered Optimus Prime's unit, only to find him incapacitated, the Matrix having been seized by [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. Although Kup was at first dismissive of [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]], who had stepped into a command position in the void left by Prime, he quickly learned to appreciate Jazz's steady, capable hand. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 5|All Hail Megatron #5}}

As Jazz and Kup stood on a balcony, Kup spoke of how the Autobots were betrayed by an outsider, someone who knew their codes. Autobot computer systems were shut down across the galaxy, and as shields and defenses were remotely shut down, countless Autobots died. It was a massacre. Kup decided to merge his unit with Jazz's, making Jazz his second-in-command. He also donated all his group's energon towards fixing Prime. Without Prime, they had no chance to rally their troops together as a cohesive unit. But a more immediate concern made itself known—the [[Insecticon Swarm]]. Kup ordered everything packed up and ready to move. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 6|All Hail Megatron #6}} And so they did. Jazz told Kup how the Autobots were defeated on Earth, how Prime was destroyed and the Matrix stolen, and spoke of a traitor among their ranks. Kup continued to be worried about a decline in morale. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 7|All Hail Megatron #7}}

And he was right to be worried. Ironhide assaulted [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]], who he believed to be the traitor. Kup took Ironhide aside and berated him for his conduct. Before their chat could be resolved, the Swarm found them. Kup gathered up the Autobots and began to take them to a previously-agreed-on location across a lone bridge, where Perceptor would fire a shot that would detonate the bridge, separating them from the Swarm. Unfortunately, Perceptor was injured in the evacuation, and Kup had no plan B. Sunstreaker, who revealed he was the traitor, redeemed himself by blowing up the bridge and presumably himself. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 8|All Hail Megatron #8}}

Kup pushed Ratchet to finish the repairs on Prime, but Ratchet explained that it wouldn't be easy. Prime could die in the process. Despite all odds, Prime survived the operation and was able to boost the Autobots' morale, much to Kup's satisfaction. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 9|All Hail Megatron #9}} But before long, the Swarm was upon them, having found a second bridge. Kup and the other Autobots, even with Optimus Prime beside them, faced insurmountable odds. Only the surprise arrival of [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] turned the tide. Optimus Prime ordered Kup and the others on board Omega Supreme, with designs to leave Cybertron and return to Earth. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 10|All Hail Megatron #10}}
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===Timelines: Wings of Honor===
{{spoiler|Wings of Honor}}

[[Image:WingsofHonor-Kuptransmit.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Turbo-revvin' young punk.]]

Before the Great War, Kup was part of the crew of the Autobot Guard transport ship, the ''[[Eight Track]],'' under the command of [[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]]. After Kup transmitted the results of their scan of the Outer Rim, he patched through a transmission from [[Autobot High Command]]. A cargo hauler, the ''[[Van De Graaff]]'', crashed on [[Beta-Nine]], possibly due to an early Decepticon uprising. Kup and the others were charged by Autobot Guard Commander [[Magnum]] with retrieving a very important piece of cargo that was on board the ''Van De Graaff'' and return it to Cybertron. Unfortunately, the ''Eight Track'' was shot out of the sky, crash-landing on the swampy surface of Beta-Nine.

Thunderclash, Kup, [[Flak]], and [[Landshark]] set out from the wreckage to find the ''Van De Graaff'' and its precious cargo. Along the way, an attack from a squad of prototypical Decepticon [[Skyraider]] warriors separated Kup from the rest of his crew. He soon found himself surrounded by their leader, [[Banzai-Tron (G1)|Banzai-Tron]], and two other Skyraiders. One of them, [[Hellbat]], hypnotized him into submission, but he was inadvertantly rescued when a sea monster ate the Decepticon. Kup escaped, and the other two Decepticons pursued.

Kup was the first to reach the ''Van De Graaff'', where he found its dead crew, the cargo, and some [[Quintesson|creepy dead aliens]]. Soon, the Decepticons were upon him, and when Thunderclash arrived to give him backup, Kup had a plan. He set his blaster to overload, placed it in one of the dead crewmen's canister-looking body parts, and handed it over to Banzai-Tron. When it exploded, Thunderclash was able to put the Decepticons under arrest.

Thunderclash, Kup, and the others returned to Cybertron as unheralded heroes. Commander Magnum told them that their battle was the first of the new civil war against the Decepticons, and assigned them to a new elite military unit, the [[Elite Guard]]! However, Kup never did learn [[Matrix of Leadership|what]] was in that cargo...

{{storylink|Wings of Honor}}

After returning home victorious, Kup starred in recruitment videos for the [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]]. {{storylink|Join the Elite Guard!}}

Millions of years later, a battle against Cyclonus, Scourge, and the Sweeps reminded Kup of his battle on Beta Nine, and he told the story to Hot Rod and the Dinobots. But soon, the Autobots were found within their hiding spot inside a nebula, and they were forced to fight the Decepticons one-on-one inside their own ship. Kup repeated the overloading weapon trick to defeat Scourge. After the Dinobots finished off the Sweeps, and Cyclonus made a lone escape, Kup and the others declared victory. {{storylink|Wings of Honor}}
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==Commercial appearances==
[[Image:Toycommercial-Kup.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Kup is so old, there's no clear shots of him on YouTube.]]
* Kup made his [[commercial]] debut alongside Hot Rod and Blurr, joining Optimus Prime in a desert as he faces off against Starscream, Skywarp, Cyclonus and Scourge. As he charges into battle, Kup comments that this reminds him of the battle of the battle on [[Beta 4]] (not to be confused with the battle on [[Beta 9]].) [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3OA7bmga98]

* He appeared alongside Hot Rod in one of the movie plot-based commercials, this one for the Sharkticons. The two Autobots are shown driving up to the edge of a greenish pool, from which a pile of Sharkticons emerges and attacks. Kup and Hot Rod fist-fight their way through, with help from Wheelie.

* Kup appeared briefly in the commercial for [[Sixshot]], charging into battle alongside Rodimus Prime, firing at the enemy, and getting knocked aside by Sixshot's "rocket car" mode.

* Kup appeared in the commercial for the [[Monsterbot]]s. As Rodimus Prime and Blurr drive up, Kup reports that there has been a lab accident, and the new Autobots are ''monsters!''

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1toy-Kup.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Back in my day, we hauled cargo all day long without a tailgate and LIKED it!"]]
*'''Kup''' (Autobot, 1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-82'''
**''Accessories:'' "Musket Laser"

: Kup transforms into a Cybertronic pickup truck (though how he is able to carry goods safely with no tailgate is a mystery). The entire front of the vehicle (including the windshield) is made out of die-cast metal. In robot mode, Kup has full shoulder rotation, though the way his elbows are set up means he cannot make full use of their joints. He (somewhat) makes up for it with swivel wrists. His legs feature no articulation whatsoever. Maybe Hot Rod left a piece out. He is armed with a blue laser rifle. Early releases of Kup had metal rear wheels, while later releases replaced them with black plastic.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Kup/kup.htm More information on Kup at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:G1toy-KupTargetmaster.jpg|right|thumb|300px|"Back in my day, our guns didn't talk back!"]]
*'''Kup''' (Targetmaster, 1987)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-113'''
**''Accessories:'' Musket Laser/Recoil Targetmaster partner

: Kup (this time using all-plastic parts rather than die-cast) was slightly [[Retool|retooled]] with larger fist-holes and a mounting point on his vehicle mode back-end in order to make him into a [[Targetmaster]]. He came with his Nebulan partner [[Recoil]] rather than his original blaster.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/Kup/kup.htm More information on Targetmaster Kup at TFU.info]''

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*'''Future Cybertron''' (Transformers Collection, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TF-20'''
**''Accessories:'' Musket Laser, Musket Laser/Recoil Targetmaster partner (you read that right)

: Targetmaster Kup was reissued in Japan, and like the "[[Transformers Collection]]" reissue of [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], he came with his original metal parts restored, as well as both his partner Recoil ''and'' his original gun, which was slightly retooled to fit the larger weapon-mounting points. The set also came with a redecoed [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]].

: This iteration of the mold was used to make [[Optimus Prime (G1) toys|Orion Pax]].

===Timelines===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-KupWoH.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"I remember that time I had a hammer for a hand."]]
*'''Wings of Honor''' ([[BotCon 2009]] box set)
**''Accessories'': Clamp attachment, hammer attachment, Earth Cyber Key

: This version of Kup is a convention-exclusive [[retool]] of ''[[Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] and transforms into a [[wikipedia:Dodge_Magnum|Dodge Magnum]] emergency vehicle. Plugging a [[Cyber Key]] into the back of his car mode causes two rear side-panels to pop out and reveal two spring-forward non-firing blasters. This gimmick is retained in robot mode, where they become over-shoulder blasters. He features an unusual transformation sequence where both the front and rear halves of the vehicle mode come together to form his legs. His hood halves open to reveal storage space for extra tools (a hammer-head and an opening claw) that can be attached onto his left arm blaster.

:Kup comes in a box set with fellow Autobots [[Flak]], [[Thunder Clash]], and [[Landshark]], and rival Decepticon [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]].

: The original version of this mold was also used to make [[Cannonball]], and the [[Movie (toyline)|live-action movie-verse]] [[Crankcase (Movie)|Crankcase]].
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==Notes==
[[Image:Kupcharactermodelcomparison.jpg|right|thumb|300px|From old to older!]]
* Check out the original Kup toy's chest-sticker...it's got a pair of [[Floppy disk|5 1/4-inch floppy disk]] drives on it. Apparently, he can store up to two extra Transformers' brains.

* Like the rest of the central ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' cast, Kup had a preliminary [[character model]] by [[Floro Dery]] that was revised by Japanese artists before final animation. And just like the rest of the central movie cast, that early model was used as a basis for his toy design, and for his early Marvel Comics appearances. While other characters' early models often appeared in the Generation 1 cartoon as a result of production errors, Kup's was deliberately employed in the episode "[[Chaos (episode)|Chaos]]", where it was used [[:Image:Kup model comparison Chaos.jpg|in flashback scenes]] to represent a younger version of the character. The final model features a slimmer torso, streamlined leg shapes, and signs of aging.
** In the US Marvel stories, [[José Delbo]] used the older model, while [[Andrew Wildman]] and [[Geoff Senior]] used the final model. [[Derek Yaniger]] and [[Manny Galan]] switched back to the older model for Kup's ''Generation 2'' appearances.

* In the Japanese ''[[Binaltech Asterisk]]'' online manga, a little lost kitty was rescued from certain death (well, being stuck in a tree) by [[Ai Kuruma]] and [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]]. That kitty was named [[Cha]] (Kup's Japanese name).

* The vehicle mode of ''[[Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' series [[Brakedown (Cybertron)|Brakedown]], another old coot, resembles Kup's Cybertronian vehicle mode from the War Within comic series. This similarity was brought to the fore by Brakedown GTS, a "powered-up" [[redeco]] of the character with the colors changed to resemble Kup's. In fact, the color guide for the redeco, revealed on Hasbro's website, showed that "Kup" was a working name for Brakedown GTS.

* He claims on his MySpace page (see External links) that he's a [[Covenant|Pisces]].<ref>Kup's Myspace page was created by [[Nick Roche]] to promote his IDW [[Spotlight: Kup]] story.</ref> It is best to remember, however, that at the time he wrote this, he was utterly insane.

==References==
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==External links==
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Kup Kup's Universe profile on NTFA.net]

* [http://www.myspace.com/lostkup Kup's MySpace page]

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Talk:Springer (ROTF)

2009-05-30T22:10:37Z

Onslaught Six: New page: Okay, Incinerator's the second one--who's the third? ~~~~

Okay, Incinerator's the second one--who's the third? [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 18:10, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

Cyber-slash tail weapon

2009-04-10T23:25:58Z

Onslaught Six:

:''A Cyber-slash tail weapon is a rotate blade in the [[Beast Era]].''

[[Image:Rotateblade.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Wheel of Morality, turn turn turn. Tell us the lesson that we should learn.]]
A '''Cyber-slash tail weapon'''<ref>
[[Beast Wars (toyline)|''Beast Wars'']] [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]]'s original packaging bio</ref> is a rotate blade used by the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]/[[Maximal]] [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]]. When Dinobot transforms to robot mode, his velociraptor tail converts into a two-pronged blade that spins and spins. When deployed, it can batter enemies, deflect enemy fire, or, when its wielder is up in the air, provide a more gentle, controlled descent.

It is also referred to as a '''Veloci-Rotor blade'''<ref>
Beast Wars television commercials</ref> or '''Rotary Blade'''<ref>
[[Beast Wars Universe]]</ref> or simply as a "slasher weapon"<ref>
''Beast Wars 10th Anniversary'' instructions</ref> or "spinning blade weapon"<ref>
''Beast Wars 10th Anniversary'' packaging call-out</ref>.

Several other Beasties have similar or identical weapons. [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s rotate blade is called a '''Spinning Slasher Sword''', [[Hardhead (BWN)|Hardhead]]'s rotate blade is the '''Revolution Shield''', while [[Thrustor]]'s rotate blade is a '''Raptor Shield'''. [[Dinotron]]'s version of this weapon is called merely a "spinning blade".

==Footnotes==
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[[Category:Beast Wars]]
[[Category:Blades]]

Matrix of Leadership

2009-03-30T01:11:47Z

Onslaught Six: /* Universe */ That'll teach me not to preview stuff before I submit. Broke the layout, heh.

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[[Image:Matrix.jpg|right|300px|thumb|You put the life in the coconut.]]
The '''Autobot Matrix of Leadership''' (sometimes the '''Creation Matrix''' or, [[The Autobots Have a Special Mission for:|rarely]], the '''Autobot Matrix of Power''') is an artifact of great power, traditionally carried by the [[Prime (rank)|leader]] of the [[Autobot|Autobots]]. By most accounts, it holds a part of the essence of [[Primus]], the creator-god of the [[Transformer|Transformers]], although much about it, including its exact composition, remains a mystery. It generally appears as a hollow, spherical metal shell with two handles on either side and with a core sphere of blueish crystal at its center. The Matrix is the one thing, the only thing which [[Unicron]] fears.

{{quote|But one day... an Autobot shall rise from our ranks... and use the power of the Matrix... to light... our [[darkest hour]].|A dying [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''}}

''Polish name:'' '''Matryca Przywództwa'''

==Conceptual history==
The Matrix and the concepts associated with it have continuously evolved over twenty-plus years, due to different ''Transformers'' fiction creating new ideas centred on it, which have in turn influenced its representation in ''other'' fiction, and so on, and so forth, and back-and-forth. The current nature of the Matrix as it is understood is beholden to quite a few different sources, and its development is described here to minimize confusion. For the specifics on the different interpretations of the Matrix in various continuities, see the "Fiction" section below.

It is not clear precisely where the "Matrix" idea originated—if, for example, it was a part of the franchise's original treatment or not—but the concept first appeared in the [[Marvel Comics]] [[The Transformers (Marvel Comics)|Generation 1]] continuity, where it was introduced as the Creation Matrix, a computer program housed within [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] that could bring new Transformers to life. According to legend retold by Shockwave, this Creation Matrix program is encoded into a new Autobot leader once every ten millennia.

The [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|animated series]] made an attempt at introducing the Matrix concept into its continuity in the episode "[[Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust]]", but the line, which dated the creation of the Matrix to 4.5 million years ago (which would ultimately conflict greatly with what would be learned of the Matrix in the future), was deleted during production. Subsequently, the animated incarnation of the Matrix, known as the "Matrix of Leadership," made its debut in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', where it was presented as a physical object housed in the chest of Optimus Prime, and passed to [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and ultimately [[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]].

Nothing of the Matrix's nature was actually divulged in the film, where it was treated as simply a magic talisman of prophecy that was the antithesis of [[Unicron]]. It was the mini-series "[[Five Faces of Darkness]]" which revealed the key feature of the animated Matrix—it contained the [[Ancient Autobots]], the lifeforces of all previous Autobot leaders who had held it, collectively known as the "Wisdom of the Ages," which could be consulted for aid in moments of need.

Having already cannibalized many of the movie's best elements for use in his comic book stories, writer [[Simon Furman]] contradicted Bob Budiansky's US comic book stories by presenting the Matrix as it had appeared in the film, as a physical object, in his own UK storylines. Eventually, when Furman began writing the US series as well, the two concepts were reconciled and it was explained that Prime's head had merely contained residual Matrix energy, while the true Matrix had resided in his chest. The "lifeforces of previous holders" concept was also adapted into the comics, with the Matrix possessing a genetic memory of those that had held it. Most notably, in both UK and US books, Furman crafted a story to explain the origins of the Matrix, why Unicron was vulnerable to it, and how it could create new life, ultimately revealing it to be the essence of the Transformers' creator-god, [[Primus]].

It was the ''[[Beast Machines]]'' animated series which made the next big addition to the growing mythology of the Matrix when it introduced the [[Allspark]], the extradimensional source of all Transformers sparks living or dead, which was also known as "the Matrix." Although it did not explicitly make any callbacks to the Matrix as seen in the Generation 1 cartoons or comics, the implication was obvious—rather than ''contain'' anything, the physical Matrix object from those continuities was a ''gateway'' to the Allspark. Where the animated "Matrix of the Leadership" and the comic book "Creation Matrix" had previously seemed incompatible, this revelation united them conceptually—the lifeforces of the dead from the cartoon and the ability to bring new life from the comics could now both be tied to the features of the Allspark dimension.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{note|Events from the UK-only comics are in italics.}}

[[Image:Creation Matrix 65.jpg|left|150px|thumb|The Creation Matrix was the Leader-1's-head of the Marvel comic. Can't be drawn the same way twice.]]
When Primus created the Transformer race, before entering voluntary systems shutdown, he bestowed upon them a genetic Matrix containing his essence and the majority of his power, which could be used to give life to more Transformers so that the race might grow without his direct involvement. {{storylink|Primal Scream|Primal Scream}} Known holders of the Matrix throughout history included the first Transformer, [[Prima]], and subsequently, [[Prime Nova]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], and in the modern era, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|Dark Creation|Dark Creation}} One account mentions a "[[Primon]]" as the second holder, but no other sources include him. {{storylink|Reaching the Omega Point|Reaching the Omega Point}}

By the time of the war on [[Earth]], the fact that the Matrix was a physical object was generally unknown to all but Optimus Prime himself, who kept it within his chest. Operating under the misconception that the Matrix was a program within Prime's mind, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] captured the [[Autobots]] and decapitated Prime, using the residual Matrix energy contained within it to bring life to the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]. {{storylink|The Next Best Thing to Being There!|The Next Best Thing to Being There!}} Prime was able to transfer the remaining energy into the mind of the Autobots' human ally, [[Buster Witwicky]], {{storylink|The Worse of Two Evils!|The Worse of Two Evils!}} thereby preventing Shockwave from animating his newest construct, [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. {{storylink|Brainstorm!|Brainstorm!}} Deducing that Buster possessed the Matrix, Shockwave programmed the unliving Jetfire to capture the boy, but Buster used the Matrix to bring Jetfire under his control, thwarting Shockwave's plan and saving Optimus Prime. Buster returned the energy of the Matrix within his body to Prime. {{storylink|Prime Time!|Prime Time!}}

''The Matrix was also known to have an analog on Cybertron, the [[Matrix Flame]], which burned constantly as long as the Matrix still existed, no matter where in the universe it was. It could also be used to channel the energy of the Matrix, which the Autobots on Cybertron did to bring life to their new warrior, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. Not long after, however, the Matrix Flame flickered out when Optimus Prime was shunted into [[limbo]] by time-travelling [[Galvatron (G1)|Decepticons]], leading the Autobots on Cybertron to send Magnus to Earth to investigate. Prime was returned in due time, and the Matrix Flame re-ignited.'' {{storylink|Target 2006|Target 2006}}

Having deduced a new means of tapping the Matrix's power, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] had [[Bombshell]] plant a [[cerebro-shell]] within Optimus Prime. Megatron was able to use the shell to channel the energy of the Matrix when Prime used it to give life to the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], employing it to animate his own new creations, the [[Stunticons]]. {{storylink|Aerialbots over America!|Aerialbots over America!}}

Prime's persistence in keeping the physical shell of the Matrix a secret proved to have been a mistake when the Autobot leader died. In accordance with Cybertron funerary practises, Prime's body was loaded into a funeral bier and launched it into space, unwittingly sending the Matrix with it. {{storylink|Funeral for a Friend!|Funeral for a Friend!}} The craft eventually crashed on the distant moon of [[VsQs]], where it lay undisturbed for a time. Left in solitude, the rudimentary consciousness of the Matrix formed from the genetic memory of its past holders began to desire new sensations, and began to hunger for new experiences. {{storylink|Dark Creation|Dark Creation}}

It got a chance at new experience when a dying mechanoid crashed on VsQs and touched the Matrix. The mechanoid was a Deathbringer, which had been dedicated to ending unnecessary suffering, and was warped by the Matrix into a new and very powerful being who sought to destroy ''all'' life. Though he left the Matrix in Prime's body, he still carried some of its energy, and the Matrix reveled in the vicarious experience of evil. The Deathbringer found its way to Earth, where it rained destruction down upon a human city. ''Sensing the Matrix's power within the creature, Optimus Prime (since resurrected) was hesitant to destroy the only link they had discovered to the lost Matrix, but [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] solved the problem by convincing the Deathbringer that since the Matrix's power was eating away at it, it should destroy itself.'' {{storylink|Deathbringer (comic issue)|Deathbringer}}

[[Image:Geneticmatrix.jpg|right|150px|thumb|No one can be told what the Matrix is. Because Optimus is an idiot.]]
Back on VsQs, the Matrix's curiosity found new expression when an insectoid creature crawled into Prime's corpse's chest cavity and became the next recipient of the Matrix's power. Dissecting and studying the beast, the Matrix was fascinated that the creature seemed to be meant to do nothing but destroy, so it re-created the thing into a larger, more powerful predator. {{storylink|Dark Creation|Dark Creation}} The monster attacked a team of astronauts that had set up a research station on VsQs, killing nearly all of them, but at least one escaped and crashed in the seas of [[Pequod]], another planet in the same solar system. His body infused with Matrix energy from the beast that had attacked him, the astronaut was swallowed by a [[klud]], which ingested the energy. {{storylink|Deadly Obsession|Deadly Obsession}}

Meanwhile, Optimus Prime became aware of the threat of Unicron, and realized that the Matrix would be necessary to defeat the Chaos-Bringer. Search parties were dispatched to track down the funeral barge, which piqued the curiosity of new Decepticon leader [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]], who possessed an affinity with the Matrix and a desire to possess its power for his own. As the opposing teams dodged each other, they eventually set their sights on Pequod, where the klud had been attracting attention because its species was supposed to have been extinct. Thunderwing used his Matrix affinity to psychically link with the Matrix-infused beast and see the memory of swallowing the dying scientist. Recognizing the "VsQs" stamp on his equipment, Thunderwing set out for that moon. {{storylink|Deadly Obsession|Deadly Obsession}}

Once there, both sides battled the creature the Matrix had created, which had grown to enormous size, with Thunderwing ultimately killing the beast and taking the Matrix. {{storylink|Dark Creation|Dark Creation}} The Decepticon immediately attacked the spaceborne [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], manifesting the Matrix power in the form of a giant, vaguely humanoid energy field around himself. Soon, however, Matrix began to speak through him, delighting in the firsthand experience of evil, and Thunderwing realized he was being possessed. Thunderwing tried to mentally battle the Matrix, to no avail, but the Autobots exploited his erratic behaviour to impale him with a harpoon and blow him out the Ark's airlock into space. {{storylink|All Fall Down|All Fall Down}}

The Matrix took time to heal Thunderwing's body, then set out for Cybertron. Coincidentally, it arrived just as Unicron was trying to destroy the planet. The Matrix-creature fought Unicron, but Unicron soon realized that the Matrix had been tainted with evil, and that it was no longer a threat to him, given the infinitely greater magnitude of his own evil nature. Thunderwing was destroyed by Unicron's attack and Optimus Prime was able to recover the Matrix, cleansing it of the taint of evil and restoring its purity. Rocketing into Unicron's gaping maw, Prime released the Matrix's energy within the planet-eater's body, destroying him. {{storylink|On the Edge of Extinction!|On the Edge of Extinction!}} The explosion should have killed Prime as well, but his devastated body was saturated with Matrix energy, keeping it alive long enough for the suffering Prime to pass on leadership of the Autobots to [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]. {{storylink|Still Life!|Still Life!}} Prime's consciousness, however, was transferred to his [[Nebulan]] partner, [[Hi-Q]], who was later recreated into a new Optimus Prime by the [[Last Autobot]], complete with a reconstructed Matrix. {{storylink|End of the Road! (US)|End of the Road!}}

[[Image:MatrixCoconut1.jpg|left|200px|thumb|"Will I become a great Autobot leader?" "All signs point to no."]]
''In the alternate future timeline of [[Earth-120185]], a dying Optimus Prime passed the Matrix to Ultra Magnus in 2006, and it was then used by [[Hot Rod]] to destroy Unicron, in the process transfiguring Hot Rod into Rodimus Prime. {{storylink|Transformers: The Movie (Marvel comic)|Transformers: The Movie}} Subsequently, in 2008, Unicron attempted to engineer his resurrection, but Rodimus Prime trapped his mind within the Matrix.'' {{storylink|The Legacy of Unicron!|The Legacy of Unicron!}}

''Later in 2008, the [[Quintesson]] [[General Ghyrik]] was able to steal the talisman from its owner at that time, [[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]]. Ghyrik used the power of the Matrix to enhance his strength as he battled Hot Rod, but was duped by some impromptu ventriloquism from his opponent and soon lost the talisman. {{storylink|Space Pirates!|Space Pirates!}} Later, in 2009, Rodimus and several other Autobots travelled back in time to 1989. Optimus Prime was again shunted to limbo, but Rodimus used the power of the Matrix to allow Optimus to communicate with the other Autobots. When Rodimus was then defeated in battle, Optimus risked the security of the space-time continuum to use the Matrix as a stepping stone to return to reality, battling [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]].'' {{storylink|Time Wars|Time Wars}}

''Returning to Cybertron after their time-travel adventure, Rodimus and the Autobots found that the disruption of space and time had altered their future, and that Galvatron was waiting for them. Galvatron attempted to force Rodimus Prime into a savage battle, hoping to corrupt the Matrix, but Rodimus realized his plan and stopped. However the corruption had begun...'' {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!|Aspects of Evil!}}

''Later, Rodimus and the Autobots were on a hyperspace trip to Earth when they discovered that their craft's guidance systems had been damaged. During the flight, Rodimus Prime vanished {{storylink|The Void! (UK)|The Void!}}, and Kup discovered that he was the saboteur, {{storylink|Edge of Impact|Edge of Impact}} deducing that he had been corrupted by an evil force from within the Matrix. {{storylink|Shadow of Evil|Shadow of Evil}} Inside the Matrix, Rodimus battled with the essence of Unicron, trapped there since the events of 2008, until Kup wrenched the Matrix from his chest, freeing him from the chaos-bringer's influence. But now, Rodimus knew that the evil of Unicron would be waiting for him within it... {{storylink|White Fire|White Fire}} and in 2010, Unicron's essence succeeded in taking over Rodimus's body, transforming it into a duplicate of his own and attacking Cybertron once more, until Rodimus was able to defeat him from within and re-seal him within the Matrix.'' {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!|Aspects of Evil!}}

''When last seen, in the far future of 2356, Unicron's essence remained sealed within the Matrix, causing Rodimus's body to steadily wither and weaken.'' {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!|Aspects of Evil!}}

====Generation 2====
Requiring the Matrix to bring the new warriors created by [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] to life, Megatron defeated Optimus Prime in battle and tore the Matrix from his body with an energy siphon. {{storylink|The Gathering Darkness|The Gathering Darkness}} The Matrix's energy was then used it to give life to the [[Laser Rod|Laser Rods]] and [[Rotor Force]] {{storylink|New Dawn|New Dawn}}, and subsequently, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] used the power of the Matrix on himself, merging himself with the [[Warworld]] and reshaping the interior of the ship. However, unlike with Thunderwing, Starscream found his own evil being subverted by the Matrix's goodness, and he returned the Matrix to Prime, for fear of being changed beyond recognition.

When Prime was consumed by the [[Swarm]], he channelled the Matrix's purity and goodness into it, completely reversing the nature of the Swarm. Suddenly transformed from a destructive force into a force for life, it re-created Prime and departed into space. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!|A Rage in Heaven!}}

===American cartoon continuity===
====Generation 1 cartoon====
[[Image:Matrix 5faces4 7.jpg|right|200px|thumb|My preciousssss!]]
The origins of the Matrix of Leadership are almost entirely unknown. Some rather unusual evidence suggests that it may be linked in some way to the [[Oracle (G1)|assistant]] of the ancient genius [[Primacron]], who created Unicron ''(see the character's own article for details)'', but even if that is true, it is wholly unknown how it came to be held by the Autobots and how it was elevated to the position of power it is known for.

Traditionally carried by the current Autobot leader, it serves as a receptacle for the lifeforces of past holders, known collectively as the "Wisdom of the Ages." Virtually all of its holders have been unnamed, but are known as the "[[Ancient Robot]]," the "[[Powerful Robot]]," "[[Brooding Robot]]," the "[[Pre-Transformer (character)|Pre-Transformer]]," the "[[New Narrator]]" and the "[[U-Haul Robot]]." Many other Autobots have been seen within the Matrix, but their identities are unknown.

Following the death of the U-Haul Robot at the hands of Megatron, the ancient Autobot [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] kept the Matrix safe and hidden away, until a damaged [[Orion Pax|young robot]] was brought to his workshop. Trion recreated him as Optimus Prime, new leader of the Autobots, and gave him the Matrix. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

[[Image:MovieMagnus matrix.jpg|left|150px|thumb|"Will I at least get to use the Matrix?""No! Quit asking."]]
The Matrix of Leadership's first documented appearance in modern times occurred in 2005, when a dying [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] passed it and leadership of the Autobots to his chosen successor, Ultra Magnus. Before passing away, Prime spoke of a prophecy—that one day, "The Chosen One" would rise from the ranks of the Autobots, and use the power of the Matrix to light the Transformers' darkest hour. That darkest hour soon came upon Cybertron in the form of the world-eater, [[Unicron]], who knew that the Matrix's power was the one thing that could destroy him. Recreating Megatron as Galvatron, he dispatched him to steal the Matrix, but when Galvatron obtained the talisman, he tried and failed to use its power against Unicron. Ultimately, the Chosen One who could open the Matrix proved to be the youthful Hot Rod, who reclaimed the Matrix and was transformed by its power into Rodimus Prime, before opening it within Unicron and releasing its power, which tore Unicron apart from within. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie|The Transformers: The Movie}}

[[Image:FFOD4 Rodimus journey.JPG|right|150px|thumb|KOWABUNGA!!!]]
Later, when injured in battle, Rodimus's consciousness briefly entered the Matrix itself and witnessed a vision that led him to believe that the answer to the mystery of the alien Quintessons currently plaguing the Autobots was held within it. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2}} To find his answer, Rodimus deliberately short-circuited himself and entered the Matrix a second time. Guided by the ancient Autobots within, Rodimus was shown the history of Cybertron and discovered the Quintessons' role in the creation of the Transformers. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

[[Image:Dark awakening matrix.jpg|left|150px|thumb|"Swap Matrix for braaainnns?"]]
The Matrix weighed heavily upon Rodimus, and he was all too eager to return it to Optimus Prime when it seemed that the Autobot leader had returned from the dead in 2006. It transpired, however, than Optimus had only been reanimated as a robotic zombie by the Quintessons, but the Matrix overrode the evil intentions the aliens had programmed him with, and he returned it to Rodimus before apparently sacrificing himself again. {{storylink|Dark Awakening|Dark Awakening}}

[[Image:Matrix burden 2.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Decepticons using the Matrix either become disgusting freaks...]]
At one point, Rodimus was ambushed by the Stunticons, who stole the Matrix from him and brought it to Galvatron, who attempted to use its energy to power his cannon, only to be tormented by the spirits of the Autobots within it. Galvatron instructed [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] to dispose of the Matrix, but Scourge understood the true nature of its power and placed it within his own chest. Warped by its power, Scourge took control of the Decepticons and led them in an attack on Earth, only to be bested by Hot Rod, who reclaimed the Matrix once more. {{storylink|The Burden Hardest to Bear|The Burden Hardest to Bear}}

[[Image:Matrix burden 1.jpg|left|150px|thumb|...or get harassed by the ghosts of Optimus Prime, Robocop, and Boba Fett.]]
When Optimus Prime was at last truly resurrected, he was forced to battle the [[Hate Plague]]-infected Rodimus in order to reclaim the Matrix from him, in hopes of consulting the Wisdom of the Ages to find a cure for the disease. Communicating with the mysterious [[It]], he learned that the only way combat the madness of the plague was with wisdom, and opened the Matrix, expelling all of the wisdom within it to extinguish the disease (in the process claiming that this was also the Autobots' "darkest hour"). Although the Matrix was emptied, leaving only a shell, Optimus claimed they would have to start filling it with wisdom again, from that moment on. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2}}

In 2007, Optimus Prime used the shell of the Matrix as a substitute key to access [[Vector Sigma]], where he consulted Alpha Trion on the mystery of the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]]. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 2|The Rebirth, Part 2}}

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====Madman Transformers comic====
[[Image:Madman comic PrimeHotrod.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Optimus' proposal to Hot Rod.]]
The significance of the Matrix to the Autobots was such that when Optimus Prime prepared to lead the Autobots in an evacuation of Cybertron in the year 2001, he hid the Matrix in a bunker at the construction site of the future Autobot City. Unfortunately, [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] had monitored the Autobot leader's meeting with Ultra Magnus, and moved to steal the Matrix for the Decepticons. Fate intervened in the form of Hot Rod, who defeated the Decepticons and took back the ancient Autobot relic, and at the same time received a vision of his future as the Autobot who would light Cybertron's darkest hour. {{storylink|Madman Transformers Comic|Madman Transformers Comic}}
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===Japanese cartoon continuity===
{{note|The Matrix was the subject of a massive [[retcon]] propogated by [[TakaraTomy]] in 2007, explicitly tying it to Primacron's assistant, and various other animated concepts like [[Vector Sigma]] and the ''[[Beast Machines]]'' [[Vector Sigma|Oracle]]. Although the retcon takes as its starting point various small things that originate in the American animated continuity, it applies only to the Japanese continuity (so far, anyway).}}

====Generation 1 cartoon====
When Primacron and his assistant (also known as the "Oracle") were attacked by the rebelling Unicron, the assistant's body was destroyed, but his lifeforce persisted. Sealed within a protective shell, the Oracle's lifeforce fled to a dead world at the centre of the galaxy, which the Oracle used his powers to transform into a lush, green world. In time, however, the alien Quintessons came to the Oracle's world and were able to bring him under their power, transforming him into the mega-computer, Vector Sigma. Using the [[Key to Vector Sigma]], the Quintessons cyber-formed the Oracle's world into [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], and the Oracle's life-giving powers were harnessed to produce a race of robotic slaves. The shell which had contained the Oracle's essence became the Matrix, but precisely how it came to be held by the Quintessons' consumer goods robots (later known as the Autobots), or even why the Quintessons would ''allow'' their creations to possess such a powerful item, is unknown. {{storylink|Generation 1 cartoon timeline (Japan)|Kiss Players Transformers timeline}}

====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
A key distinction between the Matrix in this continuity and its sister timeline is that in addition to containing the Wisdom of the Ages, it is a source of exceptionally pure energy. It was this energy which was released by Optimus Prime to cure the Hate Plague. In order to recharge the emptied Matrix, it was hidden in an Autobot energy-gathering facility, steadily absorbing the pure, natural energy of Earth. Unfortunately, Prime had not foreseen the one great side-effect of releasing the Matrix's energy—it caused Vector Sigma to become unbalanced, putting all of Cybertron in great danger. The Decepticons took this opportunity to invade the planet, hoping to take control of the unstable computer and by extension, the planet itself, and Optimus Prime headed for Vector Sigma's chamber to try and rectify the situation. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come Out Of The Sky|Four Warriors Come Out Of The Sky}} The Matrix, however, remained hidden on Earth, with no-one but Prime aware of its precise location. Hot Rod led the Autobot [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] in a search for the Matrix, but although they successfully recovered it, it was still not fully recharged. Nevertheless, they brought the Matrix to Cybertron, where the ghost of Alpha Trion re-energized it fully, transforming Hot Rod back into Rodimus Prime. Before Rodimus could use the Matrix to stabilize Vector Sigma, however, Optimus Prime sacrificed himself by merging with the computer to bring it back under control. {{storylink|A Dream is Born, Double Prime|A Dream is Born, Double Prime}}

When Cybertron was subsequently destroyed thanks to the machinations of Decepticon Headmaster leader [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], Rodimus Prime voyaged into space to search for a new homeworld for the Transformers, taking the Matrix with him. {{storylink|Cybertron is in Grave Danger, Part 2|Cybertron is in Grave Danger, Part 2}} On his many travels, the power of the Matrix and the energy of Earth now dwelling within it in gave him strength, and opened his eyes to the beauty of Earth and humanity, convincing him that humans and Transformers must live and work together to move forward and evolve. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 8|The Headmasters issue 8}}

No known subsequent [[Supreme Commander|Supreme Commanders]] held the Matrix, and its precise fate in this universe is unknown. By the time of the "Beast Era," Supreme Commanders were known to carry with them similar but entirely different objects known as [[Energon Matrix|Energon Matrices]].

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Ancients.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Matrix-shaped platform above the Oracle Tank]]
Seeking to use the Matrix to power the planetary turbine engines he had discovered beneath Cybertron's surface, Megatron attacked and killed the current holder of the talisman, [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]. Tearing his victim open, however, Megatron discovered that the Matrix was gone, having already been given by Sentinel Prime to the [[Council of Ancients]] for unknown reasons (perhaps having foreseen his own death). The Council subsequently chose a data archivist named Optronix to be the new bearer of the Matrix, and brought him to the [[Oracle Tank]], in which both he and the Matrix were immersed. Optronix was enlarged and strengthened by the Matrix, and transformed into Optimus Prime. {{storylink|The War Within issue 1|The War Within issue 1}}

Soon after, Prime was attacked by Megatron, who cracked open his form and exposed the Matrix. A blinding flash burst from the Matrix, showing Prime and Megatron visions of future conflicts on Earth and [[Nebulos]], but it was implied that Optimus somehow used the Matrix to force Megatron to forget these visions, though how much knowledge he himself retained is unknown. {{storylink|The War Within issue 5|The War Within issue 5}}

After their war on Earth, the Transformers were set to return to Cybertron aboard the [[Ark II]] in 1999, at which point Optimus Prime gave [[Spike Witwicky]] a piece of the Matrix with the promise that he would be back. The Ark II proved to have been sabotaged, however, and exploded in mid-flight, leaving the world to believe that the Transformers were dead until 2002, when the terrorist [[Lazarus]] recovered several of their bodies and reprogrammed them for use as weapons that he would sell on the black market. The American military recovered the body of Optimus Prime and [[General Hallo]] drafted Spike to help in restoring him to life by replacing the portion of the Matrix he had removed. Thus restored, Prime proceeded to use the Matrix to bring his fellow Autobots back on-line. {{storylink|Prime Directive|Prime Directive}}

[[Image:Matrix back.jpg|left|180px|thumb|A Dreamwave newsletter provides us a seldom-seen image of the back of the Matrix.]]
When the Autobots and Decepticons were finally able to return to Cybertron, a chain of events ultimately led Optimus Prime into a confrontation with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] in the chamber containing Vector Sigma. Blasting Prime's chest cavity open, Shockwave claimed the Matrix for himself and used it to access Vector Sigma's databanks as part of a complex plan, the implications of which were never fully revealed. Shockwave was defeated by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and the Matrix returned to Optimus Prime, but not before its activation caused an energy beam to be broadcast out into space, drawing the attention of Unicron. {{storylink|Revelation (comic issue)|Revelation}} The forceful removal of the Matrix from his body combined with the long period of time spent without it caused a great deal of trauma to Optimus Prime's systems, necessitating an extended session in a CR chamber to recover. {{storylink|Generation One (Dreamwave comic)|DW G1 ongoing}}

It appears that this Matrix does not hold the wisdom of past Autobot leaders, as [[Golden Disk (council)|another datatrak]] contained its wisdom.

===IDW Comics===
The Primes carry the sacred Matrix, or at least they did up until [[Nova Prime]] had it. It has a tie to [[the Darkness]], {{storylink|Spotlight: Galvatron|Spotlight: Galvatron}} which is itself an evil equivalent of the Matrix. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sideswipe|Spotlight: Sideswipe}}

Later on, Megatron managed to beat Optimus Prime into a sorry state and stole the Matrix from him. It has yet to be revealed what Megatron plans to do with it. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 5|All Hail Megatron issue 5}} According to Kup, the [[Great War]] started over the Matrix and what it represented, [[Megatron: Origin|even though it didn't]]. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 6|All Hail Megatron issue 6}}

'''Note:''' ''When hinting about original plans for [[Revelation (IDW)|Revelation]]/[[Expansion]], Simon Furman said the Matrix had been "gone a long time", that it had transformed into something nasty, and that it would be coming back; we would also learn what it is, where it came from, and what it can do. <ref>href="http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/another-quick-qa/</ref> Or ''not'', as it turns out...''

===Beast Era===
====''Beast Wars''====
Several enigmatic references were made to the Matrix at various points, though it is never precisely clear if they refer to the Matrix of Leadership, the Allspark dimension, [[Matrix (facility)|the protoform production facility on Cybertron]] that also goes by that name, or some theoretical conglomeration of any of the above that the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Warriors]] only speak of out of misconception.

When [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] voyaged into the Allspark to recover [[Optimus Primal]]'s lost [[spark]], the image of the Matrix of Leadership could be seen floating in the void. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)}} Later, when the body of Optimus Prime was fatally wounded by [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], Optimus Primal opened his chest compartment to take his spark into his own body for safety. Prime's spark was shown to be contained within a holder shaped just like the Matrix of Leadership, and Rhinox remarked that Prime's spark had "the Matrix with it." {{storylink|Optimal Situation|Optimal Situation}}

====''Universe''====
[[Image:Sparkholderprimevaldawn.jpg|left|200px|thumb|The Matrix, beneath Prime's "spark holder".]]
The confusion surrounding the Matrix-like holder in Prime's chest and its relation to the actual Matrix of Leadership was clarified when it was revealed that the Matrix was actually concealed in a compartment beneath Prime's own spark. This was established when, after the end of the Beast Wars, the deceased [[Tarantulas]] was resurrected, intending to use his new [[Vok]] powers to steal the Matrix and warp reality to his liking. To protect the timestream, the Vok took the Matrix of Leadership from the unconscious Optimus Prime residing within the Ark, used it to create [[Primal Prime]], then gave the Matrix to their new creation. {{storylink|Primeval Dawn Part 1|Primeval Dawn Part 1}} In the following battle, however, Tarantulas was able to overpower Primal Prime and rip the Matrix from his body. {{storylink|Primeval Dawn Part 2|Primeval Dawn Part 2}}

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===Robots in Disguise===
[[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] was chosen by Vector Sigma to carry the Matrix, leaving his brother, [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Ultra Magnus]], with a serious microchip on his shoulder. About halfway through Prime's campaign against [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]] on Earth, Magnus arrived on Earth, intent on taking the Matrix from Prime for himself. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus (episode)|Ultra Magnus}} When he attempted to steal the Matrix, however, a bizarre fusion occurred instead, merging the two brothers into [[Omega Prime]], revealing that the intention had always been for them to ''share'' the energy of the Matrix between them. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus: Forced Fusion!|Ultra Magnus: Forced Fusion!}} Magnus later inadvertently used this link to channel the energy of the Matrix into the [[Autobot Brothers]], supercharging them. {{storylink|Power to Burn!|Power to Burn!}}

In the final battle against Galvatron, Omega Prime would wield the [[Matrix Blade]]. {{storylink|The Final Battle (RID episode)|The Final Battle}}

===Unicron Trilogy===
====Cartoon continuity====
[[Image:ArmadaMatrix.jpg|right|180px|thumb|A Unicorn designed this. (see the pretty rainbows?)]]
When [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] threatened to destroy the Earth with the [[Hydra Cannon]], [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], not expecting to survive the battle ahead, tried to pass the Matrix on to [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] before entering the conflict. Hot Shot refused, not feeling himself worthy, and Prime subsequently died throwing himself into the path of the Hydra Cannon blast meant for Earth. Prime's body was reduced to ashes, and the Matrix was all that remained, clung onto by his [[Mini-Con]] partner [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]], floating helplessly until rescued. {{storylink|Crisis|Crisis}}

Not long thereafter, as the Autobots and Decepticons battled in space on their way back to Cybertron, Sparkplug and [[Perceptor (Armada)|Perceptor]] presented the Matrix to the large armada of Mini-Cons who had joined the Autobots on their journey. Many Mini-Cons plunged themselves into the Matrix, using their powers to recreate Prime's body and restore him to life. {{storylink|Miracle|Miracle}}

Some time later, in the midst of the Transformers' battle with Unicron, Optimus Prime was confronted by the evil demi-god with the suggestion that, on some level, he enjoyed the thrill of combat as much as Megatron did, and that the only difference between the two leaders was the Matrix in Prime's chest. {{storylink|Origin|Origin}} Following Unicron's defeat, when Megatron (now Galvatron) challenged Optimus to one final battle, these words led Prime to discard the Matrix, that he might battle Galvatron not as the leader of the Autobots, but as himself, and as his foe's equal. Prime flung the Matrix through Unicron's hide, out into space, where it later drifted by the two combatants as their fight moved to Unicron's surface. Soon, however, it became apparent that Prime and Galvatron's fight was sustaining and re-energizing Unicron, and Galvatron allowed himself to die into order to destroy the chaos-bringer. As the battered Prime hung in space afterwards, the Matrix floated past him. Prime turned to look at it, but, having revelled in his battle with Galvatron and in a way proven Unicron correct, shifted his glance away, pronouncing himself unworthy to carry it. {{storylink|Mortal Combat|Mortal Combat}}

Prime did not return to his fellow Autobots immediately, as Cybertron was now at peace. Apparently, he embarked on some sort of soul-searching space voyage, and at some point over the next ten years, he ''did'' eventually come to consider himself worthy of the Matrix, and returned to reclaim it. Despite this, however, its power was employed but once during the war for [[Energon (Energon)|energon]] of 2020, when Prime was badly injured by [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] during a battle on Earth's moon and fell unconscious. When Prime was infused with a massive jolt of energon in an attempt by the [[Omnicon]] [[Skyblast (Energon)|Skyblast]] to revive him, his chest compartment sprung open and the Matrix generated a beam of light out of which the [[Energon Blaster]] materialized. {{storylink|Starscream the Mysterious Mercenary|Starscream the Mysterious Mercenary}}

{{note|This plot point didn't make it through to the ''Energon'' dub of the episode, where the Energon Blaster was inexplicably identified as "Hot Shot's blaster," and its appearance out of Prime's chest was not explained. This was the only mention of the Matrix in either ''Super Link'' or ''Energon''—note that the Matrix-like structure built into Prime's chest is not actually the Matrix, but the [[Spark of Combination]].}}
A further ten years later, during the quest to stop the [[Unicron Singularity]], Optimus Prime used the Matrix of Leadership in concert with [[Vector Prime]]'s sword to open dimension gates to the various colony worlds that held the [[Cyber Planet Key|Cyber Planet Keys]]. Additionally, the Matrix would often glow with energy when Prime poised himself to unleash powerful combat moves; during his final battle with Galvatron, the golden glow of the Matrix surrounded Prime's entire body. {{storylink|Unfinished|Unfinished}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Convoy (New Year Special)''' (2002)

: He comes with the Matrix of Leadership!

*'''[[Galvatron (G1)|Reissue Galvatron]]''' (2005)

: He comes with the Matrix of Leadership on a chain!

*'''[[Galvatron II]] (2005)'''

: He comes with the Creation Matrix on a chain! It's green.

===Robots in Disguise===
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2001)

: ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] has a little door on his chest that hides a sculpted Matrix. It cannot be removed.

===20th Anniversary/Masterpiece===
* '''Optimus Prime''' (2003/2004)

: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-01'''
: 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime includes a removable vacuum-metalized Matrix of Leadership that can also be pulled open.

* '''Ultra Magnus'''

: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-02'''
: He had it too.

* '''Convoy Perfect Edition''' (2006)

: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-04'''
: He still had it here.

===Armada===
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Super Base, 2002/2003)

: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MC-01'''

:The large version of ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] has a non-removable Matrix of Leadership behind the grill on his chest. This feature was kept for the various [[Redeco|redecos]] of this mold.

===KT Figure Collection - The Transformers===
*'''Convoy''' (KT Figure Collection, 2004)

:This small plastic bust had opening chest "doors" activated by a button/leaver thing on its back, the mechanism of which also pushed the Matrix inside forward. This Matrix was also removable.

*'''Convoy "Revival version"''' (''Figure-Oh'' exclusive, 2004)

===Cybertron===
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Leader, 2005)

: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''GC-01'''

:''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' Optimus Prime has a removable Matrix of Leadership in his chest. This feature was kept for the "Galaxy Force Optimus Prime" redeco.

===Hybrid Style===
*'''Galaxy Convoy''' (2005)

: ''Series number:'' '''THS-01'''
: This tiny figure had a ''weeeeny'' little version of the full-size ''Cybertron'' Optimus' Matrix.

*'''Convoy''' (2006)

: ''Series number:'' '''THS-02'''
: This tinsy G1 Matrix is not much bigger than a large drug capsule and is sculpted to more closely resemble the squarer, oblong-handled Marvel comic depiction than the more ovoid animation model.

*'''Hybrid Style Convoy Black Version''' (2006)
*''Japanese ID number:'' '''THS-02B'''

: The same.

===Classics===
*'''Optimus Prime''' (20th Anniversary DVD Edition, 2006)

:Yep, this version of the 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime mold still has the Matrix. It's not vacuum-metalized any more, though.

===Mega SCF===
*'''Hot Rodimus''' (2002)

: ''Series number:'' '''04'''
: He comes with a Matrix accessory (in grey plastic with orange applied to the central casing and metallic silver to the core). It can be held (sort of) in his optional open-palm hand set, most easily in a "catching" pose.

*'''Rodimus Convoy''' (2002)

: ''Series number:'' '''06'''
: He comes with a Matrix accessory (the same one from Mega SCF ''<a href="http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Collection_Figure#Mega_SCF" class="external autonumber" title="http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Collection_Figure#Mega_SCF" rel="nofollow">[2]</a>'' Hot Rodimus). Like Hot Rodimus, he can support it in his open palms, such as in a "here, take this, I don't want it" pose.

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===Revoltech===
*'''Convoy''' (2007)

: ''Series number:'' '''019'''
: He comes with a Matrix accessory which does not open or store inside his chest.

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==Merchandise==
[[Image:DiamondMatrixStatue.JPG|left|250px|thumb|Deus sold separately]]
*'''Autobot Matrix of Leadership''' (2006)

Diamond Select Toys produced a human-scaled replica of the Matrix. Weighing six pounds, it was sculpted by Robert Lee and is a limited edition of 1,000 pieces. The Matrix can be picked up off its Autobot-symbol base, and held by the finger holes in the handgrips--and while it does not open, it can "light your darkest hour," with internal electronics that make the central crystal orb pulse in blue, green, red, yellow, and pink. The base also has a removable [[Key to Vector Sigma]] accessory.

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==Trivia==
*When asked about the visual design of the Matrix in an interview, [[Floro Dery]]'s reply was, "The inspiration for the Matrix of Leadership is a thermonuclear bomb."<sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-0" title="">[1]</a></sup> "Light our darkest hour," indeed.
*Over the course of its history, the Matrix has been stolen from its bearers many times. Rodimus had it stolen from him by Optimus Prime and [[Wildrider]] in the cartoon and [[General Ghyrik]] in the UK comics, Optimus has had it stolen from by Shockwave in the G1 comics, Megatron in the G2 comics, Shockwave again in Dreamwave, and [[Serpent O.R.]] in Devil's Due. All of the thieves also had it stolen from them, either by the Autobots or one of their "allies". Thus far, the only people to successfully hold the Matrix without it being stolen are [[Buster Witwicky]] (Marvel) and [[Spike Witwicky]] (Dreamwave). Score two for the fleshlings.
*An event that would've been known as the "[[Ceremony of the Unending Circuit]]" would have been held by the Autobots every ten millennia to remember the passing of the Creation Matrix from one Autobot leader to the next, according to Autobot Law. However, the idea for this event never came to pass.

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==Footnotes==
<ol class="references"><li id="cite_note-0">[#cite_ref-0" title="">↑</a> <a href="http://transformersph.blogspot.com/2007/06/interview-with-floro-dery.html TransFormers Philippines: Interview With Floro Dery]</ol>

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Matrix of Leadership

2009-03-30T01:08:50Z

Onslaught Six: Fixed the quote at the top, stub infobox, and some messed up single-quotes.

Sideswipe (G1)

2009-03-28T04:28:46Z

Onslaught Six: /* IDW comics continuity */ Summaries for AHM 7 and 9. He didn't do anything much notable in the interim.

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:''Sideswipe is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[Continuity family|continuity family]]. His name is also sometimes parsed '''Side Swipe'''.''

[[Image:G1Sideswipe MTMTE.jpg|right|250px|thumb|I've never done anything important, but people love me anyway! Sweet!]]
'''Sideswipe''' is not nearly as much of a sociopath as his [[Relatives|brother]] [[Sunstreaker]], but he is every bit as skillful. He's more into battle for the sport of it. A bit of a jock, Sideswipe most craves a glorious fight to the finish as a test of his mettle.

There is a reckless edge to Sideswipe's tactics. He makes rash decisions that may endanger him, all in the name of possible victory. Cheating is also not out of the question. When everything is on the line, for Sideswipe, nothing is out of the question. Over time, his reckless attitude has not changed; however, his cause has—once in it solely for the glory, now he's driven by the desire to defend freedom and the innocent.

:''Hungarian name'': '''Csatár''' ("Striker")
:''Portuguese name (Portugal comic):'' '''Esgalhador'''
:''Italian name:'' '''Freccia''' ("Arrow")
:''French-Canadian name:'' '''Frérot''' (Bro)
:''Japanese name:'' '''Lambor''' (ランボル ''Ranboru'')
:''Portuguese name (Brazil comic):'' '''Surrupio'''

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
Sideswipe, along with his brother Sunstreaker, was part of the original crew of Optimus Prime's ''Ark''. When the Decepticons attacked the ship it crashed on Earth and Sideswipe, along with the rest of the combatants, lay dormant for 4 million years. When the volcano that housed the ''Ark'' erupted, the ''Ark'''s internal mechanisms revived all Transformers, making no distinction between [[Autobot]] and [[Decepticon]]. Sideswipe was alive again.

When the Autobots went to retrieve their fallen comrade [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] from [[Sparkplug Witwicky]]'s garage, they were attacked by Decepticons. Against his brother's better judgment, Sideswipe employed his energon-gobbling rocket pack to take the fight right to the Decepticon jets. The 'Cons were driven off, but without a source of fuel to recharge on, several Autobots, including Sideswipe, were left virtually empty after the battle, and were sidelined. {{storylink|Power Play!|Power Play!}} ''Though he could not go on missions, Sideswipe was still able to defend the ''Ark'' from invasion when the Decepticons came right to his doorstep. He was confronted by that junk-punk [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]'s earthquake-making ability and turned the tables on him, overpowering Rumble with his pile-driver punches. {{storylink|Raiders of the Last Ark|Raiders of the Last Ark}}''

Sideswipe's inactivity continued even longer after [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] took over the ''Ark'' and deactivated all the Autobots in the ship. After [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] regained control of the ''Ark'' for the Autobots, he was able to revive Sideswipe to full functionality in short order, and their new deal for fuel with [[G.B. Blackrock]] kept them energized. ''During the Dinobot Hunt, Sideswipe traveled to [[Doonstown]] with [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] and [[Bluestreak]] on a mission to capture the feral [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]. It... didn't go so well, and the various gnawed-upon pieces of Sideswipe were not seen again for some time. {{storylink|Dinobot Hunt|Dinobot Hunt}}''

Sideswipe would eventually be seen again at the feud fight between [[Blaster]] and Grimlock on Earth's [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. {{storylink|Totaled!|Totaled!}}

====''Generation 2''====
Sideswipe was part of Grimlock's firestormers, a group of Autobots unable to stand the peace and who searched for new wars to fight. With them, he worked as a raider against territories controlled by [[Jhiaxus]]' [[Cybertronian|Cybertronians]] and operation to cyberform inhabited worlds. He now sported a black paintjob, and stated happily that he loved his job (i.e. gunning people down by the dozen). {{storylink|War Without End!|War Without End!}}

He had a more prominent role in subsequent events than he had had in the past. Sideswipe was present for the last battle against the [[Swarm]], but his final fate is uncertain. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!|A Rage in Heaven!}}

====''Generation 2'' (UK)====
Sideswipe was part of [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]'s Special Commando Unit, summoned to Earth along with Optimus Prime by Grimlock when [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] began open war on the humans.

===Cartoon continuity===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Michael Bell]] (English), [[Kōki Kataoka]] (Japanese)

{{charstubfiction}}
[[Image:Sideswipejetpack.jpg|left|150px|thumb|"Oh, you want my rocket pack? The one that I've never had until just now?"]]
Sideswipe was part of the initial crew of Autobots aboard the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' when it crash-landed on [[Earth]] four million years ago. He awoke along with his fellow Transformers in 1984, with both he and brother being reformatted into Lamborghini sports cars. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|More than Meets the Eye, Part 1}}

{{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 2|More than Meets the Eye, Part 2}}

Sideswipe loaned [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] the use of his rocket pack when the Decepticons nearly escaped from Earth with a starship full of [[Energon (G1)|Energon]]. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 3|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 3}}

[[Image:Sideswipe FakeBreakdown.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Maybe someday [[E-Hobby|there]] will be a Sideswipe toy [[Redeco|redeco]] with [[Breakdown]]'s color scheme.]]
{{storylink|Transport to Oblivion|Transport to Oblivion}}

Sideswipe and Sunstreaker often operated together. When [[Antimatter|antimatter]]-fueled [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] attacked the ''Ark'' on one occasion, Sideswipe and Sunstreaker took to the air to battle with the incoming [[Seeker]] jets, in a rambunctious, if ultimately ineffective, display of "[[Jet judo|jet judo]]." {{storylink|Roll for It|Roll for It}}

{{storylink|Divide and Conquer|Divide and Conquer}}

When investigating tremors that were shaking the [[Ark (G1)|Autobot base]], [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]'s scanner found some interesting objects inside a rock wall. Sideswipe, using his piston-like arms, helped [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] remove the rock wall and found a cave full of dinosaur bones, the discovery of which would lead to the development of the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. {{storylink|SOS Dinobots|SOS Dinobots}}

{{storylink|Fire on the Mountain|Fire on the Mountain}} {{storylink|War of the Dinobots|War of the Dinobots}} {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 1|The Ultimate Doom, Part 1}} {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 2|The Ultimate Doom, Part 2}} {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction|Countdown to Extinction}} {{storylink|A Plague of Insecticons|A Plague of Insecticons}} {{storylink|Heavy Metal War|Heavy Metal War}} {{storylink|Autobot Spike|Autobot Spike}} {{storylink|Changing Gears|Changing Gears}} {{storylink|City of Steel|City of Steel}} {{storylink|Attack of the Autobots|Attack of the Autobots}}

Sideswipe seemed to have a penchant for wrestling jets to the ground. {{storylink|City of Steel|City of Steel}} {{storylink|The Immobilizer|The Immobilizer}}

{{storylink|The Autobot Run|The Autobot Run}} {{storylink|Atlantis, Arise!|Atlantis, Arise!}} {{storylink|Day of the Machines|Day of the Machines}} {{storylink|Enter the Nightbird|Enter the Nightbird}} {{storylink|A Prime Problem|A Prime Problem}} {{storylink|The Core|The Core}} {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 1|Dinobot Island, Part 1}} {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 2|Dinobot Island, Part 2}} {{storylink|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 2|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 2}} {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 2|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 2}} {{storylink|Blaster Blues|Blaster Blues}} {{storylink|The Golden Lagoon|The Golden Lagoon}} {{storylink|Make Tracks|Make Tracks}} {{storylink|Child's Play (episode)|Child's Play}} {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme|The Secret of Omega Supreme}} {{storylink|Kremzeek!|Kremzeek!}} {{storylink|Trans-Europe Express|Trans-Europe Express}} {{storylink|Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust}} {{storylink|The Revenge of Bruticus|The Revenge of Bruticus}}

Sideswipe once disguised himself as [[Breakdown]] in order to stop [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s evil plan, along [[Windcharger (G1)|with]] [[Jazz (G1)|four]] [[Mirage (G1)|other]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Autobots]]. {{storylink|Masquerade|Masquerade}}
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===3H comics===
Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]], [[Roulette]] and [[Shadow Striker]] returned to the [[Technorganic|technorganic]] [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] after a prolonged journey and were welcomed by the [[Maximal|Maximals]]. [[Unicron]] abducted these newly-returned Transformers, in addition to many others from different times and universes, to start a final confrontation against [[Primus]]. Sideswipe and Sunstreaker were rebuilt into new forms, corrupted by Unicron's influence, and set against one another in the [[Cauldron]]. Before either brother could land a killing blow, however, the fight was broken up by [[Optimus Primal]]. Sideswipe then fought his way out of Unicron alongside many other Transformers rescued by Primal and returned to Cybertron.

===Dreamwave comics continuity===

{{note|Events from the [[Keepers Trilogy]] novels are in italics.}}
Sideswipe was one of the few Autobots to continue operating under that title during the [[Dreamwave timeline#The_Dark_Ages|Dark Ages]] of Cybertron. Sideswipe was one of the elite warriors serving under [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and as such was chosen for the mission that sent him against the newly constructed Decepticon battle station, [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]. Of course the mission was a failure, but that isn't likely to have discouraged Sideswipe. {{storylink|The War Within: The Dark Ages|The War Within: The Dark Ages}}

[[Image:DWPrimeDirective2 SunstreakerSideswipe.jpg|left|300px|thumb|"This is what Skyfire was whining about? Pansy."]]
Sideswipe was part of Operation Liberation in 1998, a joint human-Autobot effort to defeat the Earth-bounded Decepticons. At the end it was a success, and the captured Decepticons along with the Autobots and a human crew departed Earth en route to Cybertron in the ''[[Ark II]]''. The ship, however, was sabotaged and exploded upon liftoff.

A few years later, Megatron and other Transformers, including Autobots, were seen causing havoc. It was discovered that [[Lazarus]], a scientist who participated in the ''Ark II'' project, was responsible for the sabotage of the ship and the resurrection of several Transformers under his control via technological tampering. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 1|Prime Directive issue 1}}

[[Robert Hallo|General Hallo]] of the [[United States Military|US Military]] contacted [[Spike Witwicky]] to ask him if he could do something to help them reactivate Optimus Prime, whom they had recovered locked in a state of stasis. Spike managed to reactivate Optimus with a portion of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] that Optimus had given him prior the ill-fated journey of the ''Ark II''. Optimus subsequently went to the Arctic and used the Matrix to reactivate several Transformers, including Sideswipe. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 2|Prime Directive issue 2}}

[[Image:DWPrimeDirective5 SideswipeSunstreaker Devastator.jpg|right|250px|thumb|We're trying to look dynamic, but all these [[Pat Lee|puffy proportions]] are putting a stop to that.]]
Sideswipe accepted the new task at hand and fought alongside his brother when the Autobots faced the Decepticons at Lazarus' ruined base (punching Starscream in the face for attacking Wheeljack) before Hallo betrayed the Autobots by attempting to destroy both factions with a nuclear weapon. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 3|Prime Directive issue 3}} The Autobots survived when Megatron's technovirus absorbed the blast, and Sideswipe helped his comrades recover the captive Autobots imprisoned inside the base. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 4|Prime Directive issue 4}}

As Jazz's unit worked on Megatron's virus, Sideswipe followed Optimus Prime to [[San Francisco]] for the last battle against Megatron and his Decepticons. When [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] was taken down, Sideswipe and Sunstreaker heroically (though foolishly) charged at [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], and they were smashed between the giant Constructicon's palms for their trouble. After Optimus Prime brought Devastator down with a blast to the head, Sideswipe was restrained by the surviving Decepticons. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 5|Prime Directive issue 5}} However, through [[Human|human]] intervention, Optimus Prime freed his Autobots and the battle was rejoined. Sideswipe tag-teamed with his brother to pummel [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], though the Decepticons eventually escaped when Superion sacrificed his life to save the city from General Hallo's unauthorized nuclear missile launch. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 6|Prime Directive issue 6}}

''Months later, after Optimus Prime, Megatron, and an assortment of other Transformers and humans vanished in a flash of light from Tokyo, Japan, the world went on high alert. When the U.S. military detected [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] in the Nevada canyons, Sideswipe accompanied a flight of jets in confronting the Decepticon. Their battle led down a tight box canyon, and Sideswipe had some difficulty chasing Starscream while also coordinating with his military wingmen, as he tried to limit the human casualties. Eventually, Sideswipe was led straight into Devastator, who had been hiding in the canyon on Starscream's order. The combined surprise firepower of Starscream's arsenal and a near-pointblank blast from Devastator's solar energy rifle left Sideswipe in several charred pieces. {{storylink|Hardwired|Hardwired}}''

''Sideswipe was eventually repaired by [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], and returned to duty just in time to fight in Nevada once more. This time, the Autobots and Decepticons had joined forces against an ambush arranged by the President of the United States, who hoped to rid his country of the Transformers. Sideswipe waded through General [[Michelle Grajkowski]]'s troops, heavily routing her Delta Team, but the [[Deconstructionite|deconstructionite]] weapons being used by the U.S. Armed Forces were too much of a surprise for the Cybertronians -- they were clearly on the losing end of the battle as many of their number fell before the severity of the weaponized nanites became evident. Sideswipe and Prowl helped load the injured Autobots into Prime's trailer as they made their getaway. {{storylink|Fusion|Fusion}}''

[[Image:G1 Sideswipe Sunstreaker DWissue7.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Hi, I'm a jock.]]
When agents from the united Cybertron arrived on Earth, Optimus Prime split his forces in order to ensure Earth would not be left undefended. As Prime and many other Autobots travelled back to Cybertron with Shockwave, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and their crew, Sideswipe and Sunstreaker remained on Earth with several other Autobots under Jazz's command. {{storylink|Brothers' Burden|Brothers' Burden}} Sideswipe was deactivated in battle with [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] when Starscream and his followers returned to Earth, and was left to rust at the bottom of a lake. {{storylink|Night of the Combaticons|Night of the Combaticons}} [[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] and [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]] later dredged him and the others up, only to be taken into custody by [[Earth Defense Command]]. Jazz, Sideswipe, and Sunstreaker were reactivated to help [[Marissa Faireborn]] and her team in investigating an outbreak of [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] in small-town America. {{storylink|Infestation|Infestation}} After routing and capturing the Decepticons, Sideswipe and the other Autobots joined up with the returning team from Cybertron under Prowl's command, and began construction of [[Autobot City]]. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil|The Route of All Evil}}

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===IDW comics continuity===
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[[Image:MegsOrigin3 Sunstreak Sideswipe glory.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Sideswipe's feeling small standing under [[Nova Prime]]'s crotch. [[Sunstreaker#Dreamwave_comics_continuity|Sunstreaker, on the other hand, seems strangely excited]].]]
[[Sunstreaker]] was Sideswipe's P-3 Training Officer and strike partner, and constantly looked down on him as the rookie. Nothing Sideswipe did was seen as good enough, and he was left under Sunstreaker's shadow, something that left a deep mark on him. He's forever been resentful and wanting to be seen by others as a skilled, notable warrior. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sideswipe|Spotlight: Sideswipe}}

Before the war, the two of them attended illegal underground arena [[Gladiatorial combat|deathmatches]] and witnessed [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s 54th victory. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2|Megatron Origin issue 2}} When Sunstreaker wanted to join Megatron's underground fighting team, Sideswipe went along to try and talk him out of it. Whether they stuck around and were caught up in the Autobot security raid is unknown. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3|Megatron Origin issue 3}}

Later, as war engulfed [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Sideswipe was one of the many Autobots trained by [[Kup]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Kup|Spotlight: Kup}}

[[Image:SpotlightGalvatron Sideswipe rocketfist.jpg|left|250px|thumb|This hand of mine glows with an awesome power!]]
Much to his dismay, Sideswipe was stationed at [[Thunderhead Pass]] on Cybertron to guard [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]'s remains. Sideswipe wanted action, something he wasn't going to get standing guard over comatose Decepticons. His desire to "bust some heads" became even stronger after Sunstreaker was apparently kidnapped during his duties on [[Earth]], and Sideswipe began actively disregarding his squadron leader, [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], to routinely contact High Command and demand a transfer; unknown to everyone else, this wasn't down to brothers-in-arms loyalty, this was down to him wanting to save Sunstreaker so his former strike partner would have to recognise his skills. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sideswipe|Spotlight: Sideswipe}}

His need for action was alleviated, however, when [[Galvatron (G1)|a mysterious and powerful Transformer]] attacked Cybertron. Sideswipe blew off part of the being's head, but he recovered almost immediately and knocked Sideswipe and the rest of the Autobots offline, then stole Thunderwing away. {{storylink|Spotlight: Galvatron|Spotlight: Galvatron}}

Soon after, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] apparently caved in to Sideswipe's pleading and put [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] in charge of Thunderhead Pass, transferring Hound's entire team, including Sideswipe, to Earth once Megatron began breaking [[Infiltration protocol]]. {{storylink|Devastation issue 1|Devastation issue 1}} However, once word of the break-in at [[Garrus-9]] reached his audio sensors, Prime directed his team and Hound's to head there instead of Earth. {{storylink|Devastation issue 6|Devastation issue 6}}

Sideswipe took the reassignment pretty harshly, and had pushed Hound well to the edge of his tolerance. He got a minor diversion from worrying about Sunstreaker when another mysterious and powerful Transformer, [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] attacked their ship.

Surprisingly, he wanted to find out who Cyclonus was, but Hound felt that time was a factor and hit Cyclonus with a full volley. It was enough to slow him down, but not enough to stop him. [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]' arrival forced a retreat, and the two Autobot ships followed. When they caught up to Cyclonus, Sideswipe goaded him into battle, and made no apologies for it. {{storylink|Spotlight: Cyclonus|Spotlight: Cyclonus}}

[[Image:SideswipeVGrindcore.jpg|right|150px|thumb|He can punch ''and'' angst at the same time!]]
When his unit finally reached Earth, he personally took on both [[Grindcore (G1)|Grindcore]] ''and'' [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]] so the others could reach the Space Bridge. This earned him recognition and an apology from Hound, and the battle against superior foes gave Sideswipe the chance to prove to ''himself'' that he was better than Sunstreaker thought. This exorcised, he realised he didn't actually care if Sunstreaker was alive or dead, and turned away from his obsession without looking back. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sideswipe|Spotlight: Sideswipe}}

One year later, the Decepticons ambushed the Autobots in a crippling assault, during which Skywarp ripped off Sideswipe's arm. Later, on Cybertron, Sideswipe tried to talk to Sunstreaker, only to learn of the horrors of the Machination. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 7|All Hail Megatron #7}} Later, after Sunstreaker sacrificed himself, Sideswipe declared that all the Autobots deserved to die for carrying on the senseless war. His speech was interrupted by the return of Optimus Prime. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 9|All Hail Megatron #9}}

===''Hearts of Steel''===
Sideswipe participated in the pursuit of [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]], and partially transformed from artillery boxcar mode to robot mode in order to shoot down [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]. He stated, "The name is Sideswipe." {{storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 4|Hearts of Steel issue 4}}

{{note|For unclear reasons, in the original comic book issue, the Autobot who shoots down Scourge identifies himself as [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], not Sideswipe. Sideswipe only appears in the trade paperback collection.}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1sideswipe.jpg|right|200px|thumb|He had the look before it was [[Spy Changer|trendy]].]]
*'''Sideswipe''' (Autobot Car, 1984/1985, 2001/2002/2003)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''04''', '''TFC-07'''
**''Accessories:'' "Laser gun", rocket launcher, 3 rockets

: Originally a ''[[Diaclone]]'' "New [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes#Lamborghini_Countach|Countach LP500S]]", Sideswipe transforms... well, into that. In robot mode he is armed with a white rifle and a missile launcher that can clip onto either of his shoulders. The launcher can fire one of three included white missiles, in theory, as the springs were weakened for the US release [[For safety reasons|for safety reasons]]. The original 1984 US release did not have the [[Rubsign|rubsign]] found on later releases.

: In 2001, Sideswipe was re-released by [[Takara]], bundled with the mold-sharing [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]], as a show-[[Exclusive|exclusive]] set, but his license plate decal was changed from the infringing "COUNTACH" to "CAR MACHINE". Sideswipe and Red Alert were re-re-released together in 2002 as an [[E-Hobby|e-Hobby]] "New Year" set, with several factory-applied decals replaced with [[Paint application|paint applications]], the "CAR MACHINE" plate-decal now blank, plus an additional recolored alternate sticker sheet for each one. This version, minus the extra decal sheet, was re-re-''re''-released as part of the [[Transformers Collection]] "book-box series". Finally, this version, albeit with its spring-loaded launcher de-sprung [[For safety reasons|for safety reasons]], was released in the US as part of [[Hasbro]]'s [[Commemorative Series]] VIII line, one of the last American reissues. In fact, despite the Commemorative Series' exclusivity to Toys "R" Us stores, Commemorative Series Sideswipe ultimately ended up at Kay-Bee stores, and at heavy discount.

: This mold was also used to make [[Clamp Down]], [[Deep Cover]] and [[Tigertrack]].

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[[Image:ActionmasterSideswipe toy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|I have a hat!]]
*'''Sideswipe w/ Vanguard''' (Action Master, 1991)
**''Accessories:'' "Photon laser" rifle

: A non-transforming action figure that combines elements form both his original toy and his [[Character model|animation model]], [[Action Master]] Sideswipe is compatible with any other Action Master weapon or vehicle. His partner-unit [[Vanguard]] forms a backpack and battle helmet, and complements Sideswipe's color scheme quite well.

:Action Master Sideswipe was only available in European (and certain Australian) markets.

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===Generation 2===
[[Image:G2Sideswipe toy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|He got dressed in the dark and accidentally put his colors on backwards.]]
*'''Sideswipe''' (Autobot Heroic, 1993)
**''Accessories:'' Gun, missile launcher, 1 missile

: Part of the first assortment of Autobot cars, Sideswipe's original toy had his colors re-arranged to a black car mode with red and white robot parts, plus new [[Neon|neon]] green "racing" decals were added to the mix. His original rocket launcher was removed, and replaced with a large spring-loaded launcher that could be hand-held or mounted on his [[Retool|retooled]] car-mode roof.

:His new spring-loaded missile launcher was taken from [http://www.yojoe.com/action/91/snowserpent2.shtml Snow Serpent] from the ''[[G.I. Joe]]'' toyline.

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[[Image:G2GobotSideswipe.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Then he shrank and faded in the wash.]]
*'''Sideswipe''' (Go-Bot, 1995)
**''Accessories:'' Gun

: A redeco of [[Go-Bot (G2)|Go-Bot]] [[Firecracker]], Sideswipe transforms into a blue [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes#Lamborghini_Diablo|Lamborghini Diablo]] with through-axle construction for super-fast rolling on smooth surfaces in car mode. He is compatible with many "Hot Wheels" and "Matchbox"-brand racetrack sets.

: This mold was also used to make Go-Bot Optimus Prime and ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[R.E.V.]].

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===Universe===
[[Image:UniverseSideswipe toy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|I should've had a [[Wheeljack (Armada)|Wheeljack]] retool!]]
*'''Sideswipe''' (Deluxe, 2003)
**''Accessories:'' 2 launchers (left & right), 2 flame missiles

: One of several [[Exclusive|exclusives]] to [[OTFCC 2003]], ''[[Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]]'' Side Swipe is a redeco of the ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]] mold, once again transforming into a Lamborghini Diablo. A pair of add-on thrusters become arm-mounted launchers for robot mode; each one being a pressure-launch missile launcher.

: It is notable that the part that connects the toy's windshield to the main body uses a red decal rather than paint, as that part is made out of [[Unpaintable plastic|unpaintable plastic]]. The police lights from the original mold were removed, leaving this area bare.

: This mold was also used to make ''Universe'' [[Inferno (TFU)|Inferno]] and Sunstreaker.

{{note|While the toy's name was spelled "Sideswipe" (one word) on its own packaging, the cross-sell on the packaging for the OTFCC 2003 [[Shadow Striker]]/[[Roulette]] two-pack spelled it "Side Swipe" (two words) instead. See Trivia for more.}}

===Smallest Transforming Transformers===
[[Image:STFLambor.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Yet another release Sunstreaker just wasn't cool enough for.]]
*'''Lambor''' (2003)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''GTF-02'''

: ''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' Lambor is a very small-scale, extensively simplified replica of the original Sideswipe toy. He has very little articulation, he has no weapons, and his vehicle mode wheels cannot roll.

: This mold was [[Retool|retooled]] to make ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' [[Red Alert (G1)|Alert]].

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===Alternators===
[[Image:AlternatorsSide Swipe toy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Just think, he was [[#Trivia|almost Tracks]].]]
*'''Side Swipe''' (2003, 2004)
**''Alternator ID number:'' '''2'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BT-02'''
**''Accessories:'' Dodge Viper Engine/gun

: The second ''[[Alternators]]'' toy released, Side Swipe transforms into a licensed 1:24 scale [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes#Dodge_Viper_.28Chrysler.29|Dodge Viper]] featuring opening doors, a detailed interior, and a hood that opens to reveal an engine bay holding a replica Viper V-10 engine. The vehicle mode also features movable steering and rubber tires with vacuum-metalized wheels. His removable engine becomes a blaster.

: The main difference between the American ''Alternators'' and the Japanese ''Binaltech'' releases is that the Japanese version has die-cast metal parts for most of the car's outer body shell, with the exception of the rear end, and the entire red exterior of the car is fully painted, unlike the ''Alternator's'' flat red plastic.

: This mold was [[Retool|retooled]] to make [[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]].

===Titanium Series===
[[Image:TitaniumRM Side Swipe.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Sideswipe turns small a lot.]]
*'''Side Swipe''' (Robot Master, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Engine blaster

:''[[Titanium Series]]'' Side Swipe is based upon Sideswipe's ''Alternators'' toy. Constructed partially of die cast metal, Side Swipe has limited articulation located in his shoulders and neck. He comes with a removable engine blaster and an Autobot symbol display stand.

: This mold was going to be redecoed to be ''Titanium'' Sunstreaker, but that release was canceled.

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===Universe (2008)===
[[Image:Universe2008 SideSwipe toy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|This is the best we could find in terms of stock photography for this guy. Seriously.]]
*'''Sideswipe''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' "Flare Launcher", engine supercharger intakes

:Sideswipe is a [[Retool|retool]] of ''[[Universe (2008)|Universe]]'' Sunstreaker. He not only features a new head sculpt, but he has a slightly altered transformation scheme and assembly; his upper body, from the neck to the hips, is rotated 180 degrees from Sunstreaker's, giving him the "classic" hood-chest. His fists are also "backwards" from Sunstreaker's to keep them in the right places in robot mode. He transforms into a modified [[wikipedia:Lamborghini_Gallardo|Lamborghini Gallardo]]. Though the car is mostly based upon the Gallardo, to avoid legal problems, it also incorporates details from other cars such as the rear end of the [[wikipedia:Lamborghini_Diablo|Lamborghini Diablo]]. Sideswipe also comes with the same roof-mounted engine assembly as Sunstreaker.

: His Flare Launcher (essentially just a redeco of Sunstreaker's Electron Pulse Blaster) can be combined with the removable engine assembly and mounted in either of the holes on his shoulders to simulate Sideswipe's ''Generation 1'' missile launcher. Of course, this leaves him without a hand-held weapon. The engine can also be mounted on Sideswipe's back as his jet pack.

: Sideswipe's online PDF instructions as well as the final printed instructions incorrectly give him Sunstreaker's transformation and head, despite the picture above the instructions showing him with the hood as the chest and a new head.<ref>[http://hasbro.com/common/instruct/83685.pdf Official Universe Sideswipe instructions PDF file on Hasbro.com]</ref> Unfortunately, Hasbro's own stock photography for distribution to websites retains this incorrect transformation, and throws in some additional mistakes as well. Oy.

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===Henkei! Henkei!===
[[Image:Henkei Lambor toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Whoever does Takara's photography seriously needs to be outsourced to Hasbro.]]
*'''Lambor''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-09'''
**''Accessories:'' "Flare Launcher", engine supercharger intakes

:The Japanese version of ''Universe'' Sideswipe has [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] silver on his flare launcher and his spoiler, but does not come with the dual-engine backpack that Henkei Sunstreaker and ''Universe'' Sunstreaker/Sideswipe included. He also has correct, personalised instructions that aren't just Sunstreaker's. Like Sunstreaker, the Japanese version's hood is a much closer match to the red colored plastic. The Japanese version also features a glossier black paint and the white has yellow tint compared the white plastic used for Hasbro version. His license plate says "LAMBOR" rather than "SWIPE".

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==Merchandise==
===Attacktix===
*'''Sideswipe''' (2007)

: ''[[Attacktix]]'' Sideswipe was to be a missile-firing "blaster" style playing piece, presumably part of a third wave of "Booster" packs. He was revealed at the [[Star Wars]] "Celebration IV" convention alongside many other ''Attacktix'' pieces that would ultimately never see release.

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==Trivia==
* Sideswipe's Japanese name, "Lambor" is derived from the name of his vehicle mode, a Lamborghini. It may also be a word play on the Japanese word "Ranbou", which means "reckless, violent, rough". Wouldn't be the [[Autrooper|last]] [[Nine Great Demon Generals|time]] Takara's done such [[Romanization|word puns]]. <small>By the way, it's ''Lambor'', not ''[[wikipedia:Rambo|Rambo]]''.</small>

* Sideswipe's [[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|TFU]] bio text describes features of Sunstreaker's toy, leading many to believe Sideswipe's original toy was supposed to be created from Sunstreaker's mold and vice-versa, with the colors swapped between the molds. The [[Diaclone]] Sunstreaker toy was available in red<ref>http://diaclone.net/orid/dia036/index.html "Countach-LP500S/Super Tuning" at Diaclone.net (Japanese site)]</ref> and police
<ref>[http://diaclone.net/orid/dia038/index.html "Countach-LP500S/Super Tuning Policecar Type" at Diaclone.net (Japanese site)]</ref> versions, but not yellow (hence the red shoulder stickers on an otherwise yellow car). The mold used for Sideswipe, on the other hand, was released in ''Diaclone'' in both red and yellow decos.<ref>[http://diaclone.net/orid/dia050/index.html " New Countach-LP500S" at Diaclone.net (Japanese site)]</ref>

* During the 1990s, another company held the "Sideswipe" trademark in the "toys" field, even though Hasbro still released two toys using that name as part of the [[Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]] line (it's unclear if this resulted in any legal repercussions for Hasbro). When Hasbro finally managed to reclaim the name for the [[Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Robots in Disguise]] line, the name was now parsed as "[[Side Swipe (RID)|Side Swipe]]", in two words, for whatever reason. The only two toys since then to spell "Sideswipe" as one word again were the [[OTFCC 2003]] [[Exclusive|exclusive]] and the [[Side Swipe (Armada)|Armada Super-Con]]. However, the former was referred to as "Side Swipe" when featured as a cross-sell on the packaging for the OTFCC 2003 [[Shadow Striker]]/[[Roulette]] two-pack, whereas a packaging variant for the latter released as part of the "[[Unicron Battles]]" refresh of the [[Armada (toyline)|''Armada'']] line also saw the name changed to "Side Swipe". Finally, the ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' Deluxe toy appears to hail the return of "Sideswipe" (as one word).

* The ''Alternators'' Dodge Viper mold was originally designed to be a new body for [[Tracks]] after the first attempt to secure the Corvette license had fallen through. Eventually, though, Chevrolet had a change of mind and granted Hasbro and Takara the license for the Corvette design after all. As a result, the Viper mold was slightly redesigned, was given a new head sculpt and released as Sideswipe (or "Side Swipe") instead. This explains why, unlike most of the early Alternators toys, Side Swipe's robot mode bears little resemblance to his G1 self. The most noticeable redesign from the "Tracks" design was the vehicle mode's doors being moved from the "backpack" [[Kibble|kibble]] (where they would have resembled the G1 Tracks toy's wings) to the sides of the arms, thus being the most obvious visual cue taken from the G1 Sideswipe toy. The doors are, however, still splayed out to the sides in the Alternators box art and can be moved to match Tracks' wing configuration, which implies that the redesign may have been done before the switch from Tracks to Sideswipe was made.

*Sideswipe has the dubious distinction of being the only one of the European Autobot Classic Heroes range not to feature in Marvel UK's [[Earthforce]] stories, not even making a late appearance like fellow 1991 addition Tracks.

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/Sideswipe/sideswipe.htm Sideswipe at TFU.info]
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Sideswipe Sideswipe's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

==References==
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Drift (G1)

2009-03-28T04:09:50Z

Onslaught Six: /* IDW comics */ AHM 8 and 9 summaries. He's not in 7 anywhere.

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:''Drift is an [[Autobot]] in the [[IDW continuity|IDW]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:AHM 06 CoverA.jpg|right|200px|thumb|"Oh Drift-chan, you smell awesome, and not at all like feet!"]]
'''Drift''' (ドリフト ''Dorifuto'') is totally ''sugoi''! He's a member of a ragtag team of rebels under the command of [[Kup]], working alongside many members of the [[Wrecker|Wreckers]]. Just how he rose from total obscurity to this level of distinction is just part of his ''mysterious past''. Drift isn't very talkative, letting his sword and his smirk speak for him.

==Fiction==
===IDW comics===
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[[Image:Allhailmegatron6-omgdriftomg.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Seriously, you made this guy up when you were eight.]]
Drift was among the crew of the spacecraft ''[[Trion]]'' when it was baited into a [[Decepticon]] ambush over [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Its command codes were hacked due to their being sold to the Decepticons by an Autobot traitor, and left defenseless it was forced to crash-land on the desolate landscape of the planet. Eventually the crew were found by [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s unit, who unfortunately proved to ''also'' be stranded. When [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] was revealed by [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] to have been standing invisibly among them, Drift was the only one who didn't appear surprised. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 5|All Hail Megatron #5}}

When an advance scout of the [[Insecticon swarm]] discovered the Autobots' base-camp, Drift was dispatched to take care of it. Drift stood stock-still as the creature walked up to him, greeting it with a simple "hello" and smirking as the monstrous beast snarled in his face. Finally he beheaded the beast with a single wave of his sword. A second creature tried to attack Drift from behind, but the smirking Autobot merely tilted his head slightly, allowing [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] to kill the beast with some precision sniping. [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] thought the incident was the coolest thing ever. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 6|All Hail Megatron #6}}

After [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] revealed to [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] that he was the traitor, an army of the Swarm came after them. Drift saved Ironhide while Sunstreaker blew the bridge, killing himself and the Swarm army. Later, Drift visited Ironhide and claimed that the Decepticons had access to the Autobots' systems in a way that Sunstreaker couldn't possibly have. Ironhide asked if this meant there was a second traitor, Drift replied that there was simply more to the situation than they knew. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 8|All Hail Megatron #8}}

When Mirage was showing some doubt in the Autobot cause, it was Drift who said that, now more than ever, the Autobots should continue being who they are. [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] insinuated that Drift had no right to say something like that, which started an argument that was only stopped by the return of Optimus Prime. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 9|All Hail Megatron #9}}

==Notes==
* Commenting on what inspired him to create Drift, writer/creator [[Shane McCarthy]] said that "I wanted a character in AHM that had a particular element to him that [[Star Saber (G1)|I didn’t see readily available elsewhere]] and secondly because, frankly, I thought it would be a great idea for Hasbro to have an [[Lightfoot|Autobot Drift racer]]."<ref>http://www.smactalk.com.au/?p=101 Shane McCarthy blogs about Spotlight: Drift.]</ref>

* According McCarthy, Drift's Japanese overtones are meant to be a tip of the hat "to the country that gave birth to [Transformers]."<ref>[http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18585 Comic Book Resources October 27th, 2008 interview with Shane McCarthy]</ref> It is possible he meant ''[[Diaclone]]'' and ''[[Micro Change]]'', as the ''[[Transformers brand|Transformers]]'' franchise was developed between [[Hasbro]] and [[Marvel Comics|Marvel Entertainment]], two American companies.

* [[IDW Publishing]] claimed that Drift had been solicited by [[Hasbro]] to receive a toy in the ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' line. After months of no word whatsoever on the subject from Hasbro or a single hint that such a thing would happen from the usual sources (read: leaks and stolen toys), Hasbro's Australian branch eventually answered the claim with a rather unequivocal "No, there is no character named Autobot Drift or any toy designed after the comic character coming out in our 25th Anniversary or any other Transformers line." in an online Q&A session.<ref>[http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=3438 Ozformers Q&A with Hasbro Australia]</ref> However, IDW editor [[Chris Ryall]] maintained at New York Comic-Con 2009 that Drift was still on track to receive a toy, but no release date had been set. In a March 2009 online Q&A session, Hasbro confirmed that no Drift toy was currently planned at all, although they "would love to make a toy after IDW's Drift and will do our best to fit him into the line at the right time." <ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/hasbro-answers-seibertrons-questions/15360 Hasbro March 2009 Q&A on Seibertron.com]</ref>

* Drift's name is derived from the Japanese driving technique of "[[wikipedia:Drifting_(motorsport)|drifting]]", rendered in Japanese as ドリフト走行 (''dorifuto sōkō''). This is also the source of the Japanese Katakana writing on his car mode doors and in Chris Ryall's announcement;<ref>[http://ryalltime.blogspot.com/2008/12/blog-post.html "ドリフト走行*" entry in Chris Ryall's blog]</ref> it is a transliteration of his English name and is not from Japanese fiction.

*Drift's vehicle mode design is similar to the [http://www.zapfcreation.pl/megabloks/mega-bloks-magnaformers-magscinder-28451-p-318.html Mega-Bloks Magna Former] [http://www.collectiondx.com/node/1789 Magscinder], from the drifting body kit, to the rising sun deco right down to having "DRIFT" written in katakana on its car doors.

==References==
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Autoboot Camp

2008-06-07T23:13:24Z

Onslaught Six: /* Miscellaneous trivia */

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[[Image:Autobot Cadets.jpg|thumb|300px|Class of 2008. The ENTIRE Class of 2008.]]
'''On the trail of an escaped Autobot traitor, Bumblebee flashes back to a previous encounter with the traitor when he first met Bulkhead in Autobot Boot Camp.'''

==Summary==

[[Image:TFA Autoboot Camp Wasp Salute.jpg|thumb|left|"Sayonara, suckerzzz."]]
Somewhere in space, an Autobot shuttle streaks through the solar night and crash-lands on an asteroid, where its lone occupant races off across the barren ground in vehicle mode. Hot on his trail is [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]], who chases him to a [[space bridge]] node on the asteroid. The green-armoured escapee triggers the space bridge with a blast from a familiar pair of stingers, and Sentinel loses his quarry as the portal explodes with light.

On Earth, [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] reports the news of the escapee to the [[Autobot]]s. [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] immediately recognizes the criminal in question as [[Wasp]], a 'bot sharing his bodyform whom he met when during his [[Elite Guard]] training days.

In the [[Decepticon]]s' underground lair, [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] contacts his double-agent on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and congratulates him on orchestrating Wasp's breakout. The double-agent is concerned that they are speaking so freely on the subject, but Megatron assures him that nobody will be able to listen in on the broadcast. [[Isaac Sumdac|Professor Sumdac]] has other plans, though, as he secretly taps into the communication frequency and bounces it to the Autobots' base. Bumblebee and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] are on monitor duty at the time, and the message comes through exceedingly scrambled, but they are at least able to comprehend the existence of a double-agent. Naturally, Bumblebee immediately assumes it to be Wasp, and he decides to settle his old score, with Bulkhead tagging along. Bumblebee remembers how it all went down...

[[Image:TFA Autoboot Camp Bee Sentinel.jpg|thumb|right|Minor in all but chin.]]
''Stellar cycles ago, on Cybertron, Bumblebee meets Bulkhead for the first time when they both attend boot camp to train under Sentinel Minor, alongside Wasp, super-durable [[Ironhide (Animated)|Ironhide]] and telescopic-limbed [[Longarm Prime|Longarm]]. The two B's immediately earn Sentinel's ire{{m-}}Bumblebee for his impetuous bungling, and Bulkhead for his desire to be nothing more than a space bridge technician{{m-}}and the pair gets saddled with oil cleanup. Of course, Bumblebee begins goofing off, which results in a stack of oil drums collapsing on Sentinel, which results in Bumblebee being made to stand in the middle of the courtyard in the dead of night, holding up oil drums and repeatedly declaring himself a “worthless oil stain.” After a while, though, Bumblebee calls it quits, but as he is walking by a warehouse, he spots a shadowy figure speaking into a communicator, with the voice of Megatron responding! After a moment's hesitation, Bumblebee pops his stingers and commands the spy-bot to show himself...but the figure has vanished. When Bumblebee turns to leave, however, he spots Wasp walking out of the warehouse.''

[[Image:TFA Autoboot Camp Oh Slag.jpg|thumb|left|Optimus must be kicking himself for having missed this.]]
''Unsure of how to proceed, Bumblebee confides in Longarm, who encourages him to gather some evidence and present it to Sentinel. Bumblebee tries setting up a trap, planting a box with the Elite Guard symbol on it in the open, hoping Wasp will grab it...except Sentinel is the first to come upon it, and it explodes, covering him in paint. Next, Bumblebee tries a listening device, but accidentally winds up broadcasting Sentinel over the camp's loudspeakers as he jokes about Ultra Magnus being too old to hack the commander role. In traditional boot camp manner, Sentinel makes the whole team suffer for Bumblebee's mistakes, and Wasp and Ironhide take it out on the little 'bot by disconnecting his legs and stuffing him in a locker. Longarm comes to Bumblebee's rescue, but the bullying doesn't stop, as Wasp hits Bumblebee with a burst of “friendly fire” in a simulated combat training exercise. Of course, it's just a paint grenade, but when Bulkhead offers to help Bumblebee up, Bumblebee snaps and insults Bulkhead's lack of ambition before storming off. Turning a corner, Bumblebee yelps as he finds several auto-cannons pointed in his face, but then laughs as he remembers that they're only loaded with paint rounds for the simulated combat. Or rather, they ''were'', as the shadowy figure from the warehouse slinks by the cannons and switches them to active ammunition. As the cannons open fire on Bumblebee, Bulkhead speeds to his rescue and takes out the cannons by dropping a building on them with his wrecking ball...only for Sentinel to get squashed under it as well. Bumblebee encourages Bulkhead to scarper, rather than risk his career by owning up.''

Tracking the message Sumdac broadcast to them, Bumblebee and Bulkhead wander through the wilderness, reminiscing about the old days. When Bumblebee stumbles into a patch of quicksand, Bulkhead plucks him out, but the conflict between the pair from their boot camp days starts bubbling back to the surface, and Bulkhead leaves Bumblebee to the mission himself. Angrily stomping up a mountain, Bumblebee loses his footing and falls off a cliff, becoming buried in an avalanche.

[[Image:TFA Autoboot Camp Wasp Captured.jpg|thumb|right|Will go on to star in ''The Count of Monte Cristo''.]]

''Longarm informs Bumblebee that Sentinel is about to conduct a surprise locker examination, meaning that it's his last chance to find evidence on Wasp before Sentinel can take credit for it himself. Using his extensible limbs to trip up Wasp, Longarm allows Bumblebee to "help him up" and finger his locker key in the process. As Bumblebee quickly opens Wasp's locker, Sentinel appears behind him, demanding to know what he's doing, only to be quickly silenced when Bumblebee presents him with a Decepticon communicator. Impressed with Bumblebee's work, Sentinel plans to recommend him for an Elite Guard position. After Wasp is carted off, screaming his innocence all the way, Sentinel brings up the matter of the building being dropped on him. Since nobody has owned up, he decides to kick out whoever he feels like—and he feels like Bulkhead. Before he can give Bulkster the boot, however, Bumblebee steps forward and claims responsibility, sheepishly asking if it will affect his Elite Guard position.''

''Some time later, Bumblebee and Bulkhead are on an asteroid, working on a space bridge node, as Bulkhead cheerfully announces "I have arrived!"''

Buried under the rockslide, Bumblebee reflects on his friendship with Bulkhead out loud, and about how he saved Bulkhead's career, even ''if'' the his friend never dreamed big. But Bulkhead ''did'' dream big; as the bulky bot appears above Bumblebee and hauls him out from beneath the boulders, he announces that he dreamed of being Bumblebee's friend. Bumblebee thanks his big buddy, and the pair drive off...having only been [[Image:TFA Shockwave.jpg|thumb|175px|left|I am the eye in the sky, looking at you!]] mere feet from the secret entrance to the Decepticon base.

Out in space, it turns out that Wasp didn't escape to Earth at all, and that he is still on the asteroid, huddled up in a ball. His mind clearly broken, the insectoid 'bot buzzes and twitters to himself about how he will find Bumblebee and make him pay for ruining his life.

Back at the Autobot base, our heroes contact Cybertron to alert the Autobots there about Megatron's double-agent. As it turns out, Bumblebee's old boot camp buddy Longarm is now Longarm ''Prime'', head of Cybertronian Intelligence, and he promises to root out the traitor no matter what.

In the Decepticon base, Megatron communicates once again with his double-agent... Longarm Prime! But the deception is a dual-layered one, for Longarm is, in fact, the shape-shifting [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]]!

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Michael Ryan]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Ben Jones]], [[Christopher Berkeley]], & [[Shunji Oga]]
*'''Original airdate:''' 3rd June 2008 (UK)

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s

! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s

! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s

|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Wasp]] (1)
*[[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] (2)
*[[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (4)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (5)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (6)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (7)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (8)
*[[Ironhide (Animated)|Ironhide]] (11)
*[[Longarm Prime|Longarm Prime]] (12)
*[[Little red Autobot]] (14)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (9)
*[[Lugnut]] (voice only) (13)
*[[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] (15)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
*[[Isaac Sumdac]] (10)

|}

==Quotes==
'''Sentinel Minor''': Wipe that smile off your face, dullspark!<br>
'''Bulkhead''': Uh, I'm not smiling, sir! My jaw is just tempered that way, sir!<br>
'''Bumblebee''': Forget Mudflap's jaw, check out the asteroid-sized chin on Sarge!<br>
'''Sentinel Minor''': YOU GOT A COMMENT, FUNNY-BOT?!<br>
'''Bumblebee''': No, sir!<br>
:{{m-}}The future Sentinel Prime is a little sensitive about his chin. Maybe it's why he's such a jerk.

'''Sentinel Minor''': Now here's a bot who knows his place. You should try to be more like your friend here.<br>
'''Bumblebee''': He's not my friend, sir!<br>
'''Sentinel Minor''': WE'RE ALL FRIENDS HERE!
:{{m-}} Mr. Personality does it again.

"You are nothing but a BUMBLER! From now on, your name is...BUMBLEBEE!"
:{{m-}}And lo, a legend was born, thanks to '''Sentinel Minor'''

''[stands in the middle of an empty yard, holding up oil drums, reciting...]'' <br />
"I am a worthless oil stain. I am a worthless oil stain. I am a worthless oil stain...why am I even doing this?"
:{{m-}}Sentinel Minor's punishment of '''Bumblebee''' could be considered "cruel and unusual".

"You would not '''believe''' the glitches the Commander's saddled me with this time. I'm starting to think that Ultra Magnus is a few circuits shy of a full processor, know what I mean? Oh, sure, he was The Bot back in the day, but now? Ultra Magnus is just a rusted-out, obsolete model sorely in need of an upgrade."
:{{m-}}'''Sentinel Minor''' is a suck-up only to the boss's face. ''Quelle surprise''.

"Huh...? Oh, slag."
:{{m-}}'''Sentinel Minor''' forgoes his usual "eloquence" on seeing a ton of building heading for his head.

"But I'm innocent, I tell you! You're making a big mistake, all of you!"<br />
"Mute it, traitor!" <br />
''[Sentinel strips Wasp of his Autobot insignia]''<br />
"I'll get you, Bumblebee, '''if it's the last thing I do'''!
:{{m-}}'''Wasp''' proclaims his innocence as he's wheeled away in restraints, while '''Sentinel Minor''' acts much as ever.

"I couldn't leave you all alone out here like that. I should've, but I didn't."
:{{m-}}'''Bulkhead''' is loyal, but not stupid.

"Bumblebot not hide from Wasp. Wasp swears he find Bumblebot. Wasp make Bumblebot pay for RUINING WASP'S LIFE!"
:{{m-}}There lies a broken '''Wasp'''...

"Our long stellar cycles of planning will now come to fruition. I knew your size-altering power would allow you to blend in perfectly with the Autobots. Well done, my loyal servant...[[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]]."
:{{m-}}'''Megatron''' really knows how to introduce a major <s>plot point</s> Decepticon.

==Other notes==
===Continuity and other errors===
* Bumblebee's stingers are shown to be powerful enough to knock down a building; yet in prior episodes they were only useful for zapping debris and bouncing uselessly off Decepticon armor. Either Bumblebee's power level has changed a lot throughout his life, or the Autobots were building their towers out of sawdust.
* If Professor Sumdac can reroute a Decepticon message between Earth and Cybertron to the Autobots on Earth, why can't he call for help too?
{{-}}

===Transformers references===
* Sentinel's speech about his troops being "cogs in a machine" is very similar to Optimus's comment at the beginning of "[[Transform and Roll Out!]]" (although Optimus gets the message across without the attitude); it may be a standard message from the Autobot Academy.
* Clearly, when Bumblebee and Bulkhead noted that Sentinel Prime didn't remember them back in "[[The Elite Guard]]", they were referring to their boot camp days.
* It was explained back in "The Elite Guard" that "Prime" was a rank, and this episode reveals that before attaining the rank, Sentinel was known as "Sentinel Minor". [[Optimus Minor|Sounds a little familiar]].
[[Image:TFA Cliffjumber Maybe.jpg|thumb|right|Wait for the Bumblebee retool...]]
* In two scenes this episode, an unnamed robot who is essentially a red Bumblebee appears, a clear reference to [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] and his physical similarity to [[Bumblebee (G1)|his era's Bumblebee]].
* It would seem that through being falsely accused of being a Decepticon spy and subsequently imprisoned, Wasp is fulfilling the legacy of his [[Waspinator|alternate universe counterpart]] in that ten different types of slag always seem to happen to him.
* In the final moments of the episode, the addled Wasp (who has spoken perfectly normally throughout the flashbacks) begins speaking in the buzzing, third-person style of ''[[Beast Wars]]'' [[Waspinator]].
* Wasp even catches on to giving other 'bots nicknames.
* This isn't [[Transformers (2007)|the first time]] Bumblebee has lost his legs.
* In this episode after Bumblebee gets his legs taken off and put in a locker, Longarm comes to the rescue. In [[Transformers (2007)| the movie]] Longarm (well, Mikaela) towed Bumblebee so he could fight Brawl. Longarm seems to like Bumblebee.

===Real-world references===
* Bumblebee's nickname of Yellowjacket comes from another term for hornet.
* Sentinel Minor's mannerisms are similar to those of real military drill-sergeants. The themes of collective punishment against the entire unit and other unit members "hazing" the screw-up responsible for their discomfort were made most famous in [[Wikipedia:Full Metal Jacket|Stanley Kubrick's ''Full Metal Jacket'']].

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* Since departing Earth, the Elite Guard (or Sentinel Prime, at least) have switched back to their Cybertronian vehicle modes. Also, as of this episode, we've seen all the Cybertronian modes for the main Bots, bar Prowl.
* This episode certainly explains a lot about Bumblebee's independent streak. His very first "team" effort was basically people being colossal jerks to him for no reason (well, except for Sentinel, really...drill sergeants are ''supposed'' to be like that) except for the big goofy country-bot...and standing up for said bot basically led to his dreams being crushed.
* Optimus Prime, Ratchet and Prowl appear in this episode, and are even spoken to, but don't say a word. This is the first episode where Prime does not speak in any way.
* Usually, it's the [[Cliffjumper (G1)|red one]] who sees spies everywhere.
* Sentinel Prime, the biggest jerk in Transformer history, and Longarm Prime, a double-agent, are both high-ranking members of the Elite Guard, while Optimus Prime, a true hero, is a washout and space bridge repairer. Either Optimus Prime did one major screw-up, or Ultra Magnus is the single worst judge of character ''ever''.
* On the other hand, if names get assigned by drill sergeants, you have to wonder exactly to what levels Optimus and [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Elita-1]] stooped in order to get those names...
* Lugnut is not shown, but is briefly heard saying "Megatron will speak to you now," when Megatron is contacted by Shockwave in the flashback, ten minutes into the episode.
* Shockwave's power is referred to as size altering. This might be the reason why his Longarm alias has his power, although it has yet to reveal whether or not he is able to control where the size is changed, or whether it is merely a power integrated into his Longarm robot mode, akin to [[Punch/Counterpunch]].
* In this episode, when Sentinel gives Bumblebee his name, Bumblebee reacts as if he doesn't like it. However, in "[[Transform and Roll Out]]", when Bumblebee tells Sari his name and she responds, "I'm Sari," Bumblebee then says, "Oh, don't be. I like my name." Maybe he got over it?
*Bulkhead used to have a "hick" accent while in boot camp that he lost sometime after starting work on space bridges with Bumblebee and the others.
*What, exactly, was the point of Sentinel Prime keeping one arm in a bandage and sling? And for that matter, why do robots have slings?
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Talk:Ultra Magnus (G1)

2008-04-30T05:52:24Z

Onslaught Six:

Since Ultra Magnus didn't feature in the US comic, I'd suggest that we forego the usual italics for UK material on this entry, but just note that Magnus was only in the UK comics.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 13:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

The cartoon entry conflates events from japanese continuity and american. That's not right. Also the link under reconfiguration matrix talks about him dying and being granted a new body ect... where's that from, since it hasn't been followed up here yet.
: It's from eHobby Laser Magnus' profile. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:12, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

==Timeline==
I tried to re-organize Magnus's timeline to make more sense. I am not sure if I succeeded. I also removed the bit about Astrotrain and Reflector spying from the Scramble City OVA section because that not only took place in the ''manga'', but before Ultra Magnus was ''introduced''. Although I guess Magnus may still have been in charge of the project at that point, I don't think anyone can say for certain. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 08:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

==Dion==
Just curious.
Fact: Magnus' inner robot and Optimus' robot mode are identical.
How does this fact benefit the argument that Dion is Ultra Magnus? Dion is not identical to Orion Pax, is he?
[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 14:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
: Does the article state that this benefits the argument? I'm confused why you would bring it up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
: Ah. Better reading comprehension! I just noticed the "Just curious." I think the reason the "Dion is Ultra Magnus" theory believes Ultra Magnus and Optimus Prime are brothers is because Alpha Trion rebuilt them both. After all, Alpha Trion rebuilding Orion Pax makes him his father, apparently, so if Alpha Trion rebuilt both of them, and he's both of their fathers, that makes them brothers. (It also makes Elita One their sister, which is why I like to think that little revelation made Prime go all "Uh... gotta go home now, see you never" at the end, but ahahahaha...) Ultra Magnus' inner robot and Optimus Prime look the same, which is another argument for Alpha Trion rebuilding both of them.
: Me, I don't think I care one way or the other. I don't think it's what the writers intended, certainly, but that can always be expanded on by later writers if they wish. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

::You don't think that's what the writers intentioned? Late season 2 episode, the movie had already been planned and was well into production, and they went out of their way to make the Elita-1 connection... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
:::I don't think that's what the writers intended because some writers have explicitly said in interviews that they weren't writing in anticipation of the movie at all. Rather, they were expressly ignoring it. If Dion was "meant" to be somebody, it would've had to have been a contemporary, like Ironhide. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
::...I guess I really dont' have a strong opinion on this. I '''don't''' think the note should read 'may possibly be', since I think the Magnus/Dion connection is well established by this point through various sources. I would prefer somethign like- "He's probably Dion, though there is no explicit proof."
::(Of course, then you need to add a note about how in the Marvel UK continuity, Magnus was a fairly ecently-recreated Autobot, and has no conenction to Prime at all.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Uh, no. Give me these sources where the Magnus/Dion connection is 'well-established'. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 19:08, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
:::: "well-established" = "some fans won't shut up about it despite the lack of any, you know, actual proof or anything." --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:10, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

:::::<nowiki>*rolls eyes*</nowiki> Well, the BEST one wouldbe RiD, where magnus says he and Prime were build (or rebuilt, i forgret ehich and haven't hit that ep with my DVD's yet) by Alha Trion together.
:::::But hey, let's go on pretending RiD is a completely seperate, unrelated-to-G1-at-all continuity. The relationship may be bastard cousin...
:::::Does Magnus's Team Dion in Dreamwave count? Or does that fall into 'no, that's an easter egg'? 'cuz... it's an easter egg... about him bing Dion. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
::::::I don't see how either have anything remotely to do with the G1 cartoon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::::If Dion and Iron Pax exist in mroe than just cartoon continuity, I dont' have to be discussing the cartoon. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
::::::So all your evidence comes from continuities where there's no evidence that Dion (or Orion Pax, for that matter) existed at all. I remain unconvinced. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 20:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
::::::: In Dreamwave continuity, Optimsu was once known as Optronix- "or Orion to his friends." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
::::::::And? [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 05:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
::::::::: And, if not on Magnus's page, then on Dion, there should be a 'while interviews indicate <nowiki>{{Tooltip|Dion was not meant to be anybody|evidence is circumstantial, but likely}}</nowiki>, post-universal references tend to link him to Ultra Magnus. ''This would not necessarily apply to the cartoon of course.'''
::::::::: I think the current entry under Magnus is unnecessariyl dismissive of the conenction, when there actually IS some reasont o make such a conenction- albeit not int he G1 'toon. (whose 'evidence' is merely circumstantial.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:57, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
:Reading the article again, I still don't see what identical robot modes has to do with Dion. I can see an argument about Optimus and Megnus being brothers based on looking alike. But I don't see how "Magnus looks like Optimus, therefore Magnus is Dion" is true. The fact that Dion does not look like Orion Pax works against the "Dion is Magnus" theory. The article uses "Identical Robot Modes" as support for the DiM theory. Why? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 17:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
::Dion and Orion Pax were not identical. When Alpha Trion ''rebuilt them both'', then they were identical. Or so the theory says. The rebuilding is where the identical-ness took place. Alpha Trion is their common designer. I thought I had made that clear. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Does this rebuilding of Dion happen in the cartoon, or is it just made up? Are we just making stuff up to support are arguments? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 20:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
::::What the hell are you talking about? Of course it doesn't happen. I never said any of it did, nor do I even endorse the theory. But the subject of Dion's identity is, regardless, one of much debate, to the point of being acknowledged in later official fictions. Did you even read the portion of the actual article regarding this? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
::::: What the hell are YOU talking about? Of course I've read it. That's why I'm asking these questions. The article makes no sense on this subject. "It has been speculated by some fans that, in Cartoon continuity, Ultra Magnus may have been created from Orion Pax's friend Dion, the same way and at the same time Prime and Elita One were rebuilt by Alpha Trion. The fact that Magnus's inner robot (though never seen in the Cartoon) is the same design as Prime and the apparently close and old friendship the two share are pointed to as supporting this." This is what the article said earlier today. To paraphrase: "Ultra Magnus may have once been Dion. The fact that Magnus and Optimus have the same robot mode supports this." What the hell does that mean? That doesn't make sense. But, because that info is no longer in the article, this discussion moot. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 04:06, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::: I didn't write the original paragraph. I'm only trying to explain it, and that's all I've been attempting to do. What I was confused about is why you think "we" are making stuff up. I am not making up anything. I am telling you what other people are making up. It's very aggravating, as I thought I answered your question (re: what other people are making up and why, just to be absolutely clear) in my first reply on this page, before being accused of fathering outrageous lies. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:00, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
::::::: I thank you for helping me understand this, but your original reply did not answer my questions. I don't mean to accuse you of any lies. "We" was referring to the fandom in general. It's very aggrivating for ME, trying to understand this thing. The new information on the Dion page does a great job explaining it. I'm sorry for being such a pain in the ass. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 14:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

== Some UK stuff ==

[[Talk:Reproduction#Matrix Flame and Magnus ?|This bit is important.]] -Derik16:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

== Caption ==
I'd just like to throw my two bits in and say I like the caption about repaints (for the Dreamwave inner-robot image) better than the "deal with it now" comment. --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 15:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

== Laser magnus ==

Is Laser Magnus really a Generation 2 toy? I know the story is post-G2, but I feel like the presentation here makes him out to be a G2 release. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
: He's a G2 toy. He's in a G2 box and has G2 symbols. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

::For some reason the Laser Magnus bio link at e-Hobby blocked my attempts to save this page after an edit, so I removed it for now. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:::...wha? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Just as I said - when I clicked 'Save page' in UM's article, for some reason the wiki wouldn't let me, as it claimed the e-hobby Magnus link was possibly spam, quoting the many numbers in the link. After I removed the link, THEN it let me save the page. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::::: Wiki software does that for all external links. It will show some numbers and/or letters that tou enter in the small text field and press enter. It's the same kind of things online forums use to prevent bots from registering. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 14:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::No it did not request any entering of letters or numbers. Nor has it ever requested I do that when I create external links. I just tried to put the Laser Magnus link back and this is what I got:

'''Spam protection filter'''

The page you wanted to save was blocked by the spam filter. This is probably caused by a link to an external site.

The following text is what triggered our spam filter:

Return to Main Page.

:NOTE: The numbers have been removed because it considered THAT to be spam, too, and wouldn't let me save this page. Jesus.
:--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== BIAB magnus ==

I noticed that BIAB Magnus was added to the toys section. Was it established that BIAB Magnus is G1 Magnus? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 14:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== Ummm Megs Origin #3 ==

Where's the proof that it's Magnus in MO3, any more than it's proven Dion from the cartoon was Magnus? [For that matter, where's the proof Prime has ever held the Matrix in IDW continuity, since that's taken for granted? He certainly doesn't have it in Escalation, whatever vague glow his Spark might have been giving off in Stormbreaker #1]
:--Dion has an entirely different body design and color scheme from Magnus (or Prime or Orion Pax for that matter). Solid white recolors of any version of Optimus, on the other hand, have been repetitively and exclusively identified as Ultra Magnus on all counts. Magnus IS canonically a White Prime across several continuities; demanding greater proof than that before identifying Magnus would open a can of worms about identifying ANY crowd-shot character solely based on looks or color scheme.--[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 01:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
::If we can't identify a white Prime as Magnus, then we really can't identify most appearances of Transformers in anything. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
:::IMO, If a character is named, they're in. If a character is shown when they're explicitly identified as that character elsewhere '''in the same continuity''', they're in (for instance, Grimlock's shown in closeup in M:O #3 with the same distinctive head design as in the Shockwave Spotlight). If they're a background cameo, they're only in if they're later explicitly identified as that character. (Plus, hell, that's not even confirmed as [pre-]Optimus yet, so it's an ass-u-me-ption resting on an ass-u-me-ption.)
:::The only prior appearances of IDW Magnus are based on his Spotlight design, which doesn't appear to include an "inner robot" - unlike Prime in Escalation #5, the cab part of the truck doesn't fold up (it's just "swallowed"), and the movement of the arms as they form from the trailer in such a way as to prohibit there being an "inner robot" with arms. Granted, that's far later - but it means that it should need be proven, in-canon, that it IS Magnus, given that it was [http://idwpublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?&p=32233#32233 just something the artist threw in], not that it ISN'T. Grimlock can be proven via the head design. Magnus can't except by saying "it's like this elsewhere." Elsewhere, Galvatron=Megatron...
::::We know what characters look like. If there's an unnamed guy in the background of the [[Autobot Orbital Command Hub]] or crewing [[Ark-27]] who looks like Sureshot, then that's Sureshot. We don't have to wait for confirmation on that, because that would be absolutely nuts. Furthermore, if there's a set of character cameos shown who look like War Within Prime and Orion Pax had a baby, and one of them's blue and red and the other's white, and they're next to Elita One and Alpha Trion, and this is a flashback that takes place before the war, then frankly, the white one is Ultra Magnus. No questions asked. Refusing to acknowledge obvious visual cues until someone specifically identifies them is kinda autistic.
::::If Simon Furman or Eric Holmes decide, at some point, inside of a future comic story, somehow declare that is not Magnus, then we'll have to decide how to proceed. But, frankly, that would make it a continuity error in my book. Dreamwave's material claimed that [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] couldn't triple-change long after he was cameoed, unidentified, and triple-changing in the first War Within series. Well, it's too bad, because that was obviously him. Artists add all sorts of things that aren't in the script that count as canon, like the Optimus Prime statue holding up two golden discs in the third episode of Beast Machines. Despite that not being in the script, that statue got shot down, canonically. (We can also identify it as Optimus Prime without being told so.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Also, see [[Easter Egg]] for stuff on how they're treated in this wiki.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 15:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

==Killerpunch==

Where's this bit about Killerpunch thinking Magnus is a Decepticon spy come from? The Ascending/BW profile books? I'm not disputing it, I'm just curious. [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 05:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Ultra Magnus (G1)

2008-04-30T05:51:26Z

Onslaught Six:

Since Ultra Magnus didn't feature in the US comic, I'd suggest that we forego the usual italics for UK material on this entry, but just note that Magnus was only in the UK comics.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 13:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

The cartoon entry conflates events from japanese continuity and american. That's not right. Also the link under reconfiguration matrix talks about him dying and being granted a new body ect... where's that from, since it hasn't been followed up here yet.
: It's from eHobby Laser Magnus' profile. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:12, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

==Timeline==
I tried to re-organize Magnus's timeline to make more sense. I am not sure if I succeeded. I also removed the bit about Astrotrain and Reflector spying from the Scramble City OVA section because that not only took place in the ''manga'', but before Ultra Magnus was ''introduced''. Although I guess Magnus may still have been in charge of the project at that point, I don't think anyone can say for certain. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 08:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

==Dion==
Just curious.
Fact: Magnus' inner robot and Optimus' robot mode are identical.
How does this fact benefit the argument that Dion is Ultra Magnus? Dion is not identical to Orion Pax, is he?
[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 14:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
: Does the article state that this benefits the argument? I'm confused why you would bring it up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
: Ah. Better reading comprehension! I just noticed the "Just curious." I think the reason the "Dion is Ultra Magnus" theory believes Ultra Magnus and Optimus Prime are brothers is because Alpha Trion rebuilt them both. After all, Alpha Trion rebuilding Orion Pax makes him his father, apparently, so if Alpha Trion rebuilt both of them, and he's both of their fathers, that makes them brothers. (It also makes Elita One their sister, which is why I like to think that little revelation made Prime go all "Uh... gotta go home now, see you never" at the end, but ahahahaha...) Ultra Magnus' inner robot and Optimus Prime look the same, which is another argument for Alpha Trion rebuilding both of them.
: Me, I don't think I care one way or the other. I don't think it's what the writers intended, certainly, but that can always be expanded on by later writers if they wish. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

::You don't think that's what the writers intentioned? Late season 2 episode, the movie had already been planned and was well into production, and they went out of their way to make the Elita-1 connection... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
:::I don't think that's what the writers intended because some writers have explicitly said in interviews that they weren't writing in anticipation of the movie at all. Rather, they were expressly ignoring it. If Dion was "meant" to be somebody, it would've had to have been a contemporary, like Ironhide. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
::...I guess I really dont' have a strong opinion on this. I '''don't''' think the note should read 'may possibly be', since I think the Magnus/Dion connection is well established by this point through various sources. I would prefer somethign like- "He's probably Dion, though there is no explicit proof."
::(Of course, then you need to add a note about how in the Marvel UK continuity, Magnus was a fairly ecently-recreated Autobot, and has no conenction to Prime at all.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Uh, no. Give me these sources where the Magnus/Dion connection is 'well-established'. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 19:08, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
:::: "well-established" = "some fans won't shut up about it despite the lack of any, you know, actual proof or anything." --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:10, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

:::::<nowiki>*rolls eyes*</nowiki> Well, the BEST one wouldbe RiD, where magnus says he and Prime were build (or rebuilt, i forgret ehich and haven't hit that ep with my DVD's yet) by Alha Trion together.
:::::But hey, let's go on pretending RiD is a completely seperate, unrelated-to-G1-at-all continuity. The relationship may be bastard cousin...
:::::Does Magnus's Team Dion in Dreamwave count? Or does that fall into 'no, that's an easter egg'? 'cuz... it's an easter egg... about him bing Dion. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
::::::I don't see how either have anything remotely to do with the G1 cartoon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::::If Dion and Iron Pax exist in mroe than just cartoon continuity, I dont' have to be discussing the cartoon. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
::::::So all your evidence comes from continuities where there's no evidence that Dion (or Orion Pax, for that matter) existed at all. I remain unconvinced. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 20:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
::::::: In Dreamwave continuity, Optimsu was once known as Optronix- "or Orion to his friends." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
::::::::And? [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 05:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
::::::::: And, if not on Magnus's page, then on Dion, there should be a 'while interviews indicate <nowiki>{{Tooltip|Dion was not meant to be anybody|evidence is circumstantial, but likely}}</nowiki>, post-universal references tend to link him to Ultra Magnus. ''This would not necessarily apply to the cartoon of course.'''
::::::::: I think the current entry under Magnus is unnecessariyl dismissive of the conenction, when there actually IS some reasont o make such a conenction- albeit not int he G1 'toon. (whose 'evidence' is merely circumstantial.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:57, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
:Reading the article again, I still don't see what identical robot modes has to do with Dion. I can see an argument about Optimus and Megnus being brothers based on looking alike. But I don't see how "Magnus looks like Optimus, therefore Magnus is Dion" is true. The fact that Dion does not look like Orion Pax works against the "Dion is Magnus" theory. The article uses "Identical Robot Modes" as support for the DiM theory. Why? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 17:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
::Dion and Orion Pax were not identical. When Alpha Trion ''rebuilt them both'', then they were identical. Or so the theory says. The rebuilding is where the identical-ness took place. Alpha Trion is their common designer. I thought I had made that clear. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Does this rebuilding of Dion happen in the cartoon, or is it just made up? Are we just making stuff up to support are arguments? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 20:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
::::What the hell are you talking about? Of course it doesn't happen. I never said any of it did, nor do I even endorse the theory. But the subject of Dion's identity is, regardless, one of much debate, to the point of being acknowledged in later official fictions. Did you even read the portion of the actual article regarding this? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
::::: What the hell are YOU talking about? Of course I've read it. That's why I'm asking these questions. The article makes no sense on this subject. "It has been speculated by some fans that, in Cartoon continuity, Ultra Magnus may have been created from Orion Pax's friend Dion, the same way and at the same time Prime and Elita One were rebuilt by Alpha Trion. The fact that Magnus's inner robot (though never seen in the Cartoon) is the same design as Prime and the apparently close and old friendship the two share are pointed to as supporting this." This is what the article said earlier today. To paraphrase: "Ultra Magnus may have once been Dion. The fact that Magnus and Optimus have the same robot mode supports this." What the hell does that mean? That doesn't make sense. But, because that info is no longer in the article, this discussion moot. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 04:06, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::: I didn't write the original paragraph. I'm only trying to explain it, and that's all I've been attempting to do. What I was confused about is why you think "we" are making stuff up. I am not making up anything. I am telling you what other people are making up. It's very aggravating, as I thought I answered your question (re: what other people are making up and why, just to be absolutely clear) in my first reply on this page, before being accused of fathering outrageous lies. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:00, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
::::::: I thank you for helping me understand this, but your original reply did not answer my questions. I don't mean to accuse you of any lies. "We" was referring to the fandom in general. It's very aggrivating for ME, trying to understand this thing. The new information on the Dion page does a great job explaining it. I'm sorry for being such a pain in the ass. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 14:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

== Some UK stuff ==

[[Talk:Reproduction#Matrix Flame and Magnus ?|This bit is important.]] -Derik16:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

== Caption ==
I'd just like to throw my two bits in and say I like the caption about repaints (for the Dreamwave inner-robot image) better than the "deal with it now" comment. --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 15:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

== Laser magnus ==

Is Laser Magnus really a Generation 2 toy? I know the story is post-G2, but I feel like the presentation here makes him out to be a G2 release. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
: He's a G2 toy. He's in a G2 box and has G2 symbols. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

::For some reason the Laser Magnus bio link at e-Hobby blocked my attempts to save this page after an edit, so I removed it for now. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:::...wha? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Just as I said - when I clicked 'Save page' in UM's article, for some reason the wiki wouldn't let me, as it claimed the e-hobby Magnus link was possibly spam, quoting the many numbers in the link. After I removed the link, THEN it let me save the page. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::::: Wiki software does that for all external links. It will show some numbers and/or letters that tou enter in the small text field and press enter. It's the same kind of things online forums use to prevent bots from registering. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 14:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::No it did not request any entering of letters or numbers. Nor has it ever requested I do that when I create external links. I just tried to put the Laser Magnus link back and this is what I got:

'''Spam protection filter'''

The page you wanted to save was blocked by the spam filter. This is probably caused by a link to an external site.

The following text is what triggered our spam filter:

Return to Main Page.

:NOTE: The numbers have been removed because it considered THAT to be spam, too, and wouldn't let me save this page. Jesus.
:--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== BIAB magnus ==

I noticed that BIAB Magnus was added to the toys section. Was it established that BIAB Magnus is G1 Magnus? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 14:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== Ummm Megs Origin #3 ==

Where's the proof that it's Magnus in MO3, any more than it's proven Dion from the cartoon was Magnus? [For that matter, where's the proof Prime has ever held the Matrix in IDW continuity, since that's taken for granted? He certainly doesn't have it in Escalation, whatever vague glow his Spark might have been giving off in Stormbreaker #1]
:--Dion has an entirely different body design and color scheme from Magnus (or Prime or Orion Pax for that matter). Solid white recolors of any version of Optimus, on the other hand, have been repetitively and exclusively identified as Ultra Magnus on all counts. Magnus IS canonically a White Prime across several continuities; demanding greater proof than that before identifying Magnus would open a can of worms about identifying ANY crowd-shot character solely based on looks or color scheme.--[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 01:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
::If we can't identify a white Prime as Magnus, then we really can't identify most appearances of Transformers in anything. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
:::IMO, If a character is named, they're in. If a character is shown when they're explicitly identified as that character elsewhere '''in the same continuity''', they're in (for instance, Grimlock's shown in closeup in M:O #3 with the same distinctive head design as in the Shockwave Spotlight). If they're a background cameo, they're only in if they're later explicitly identified as that character. (Plus, hell, that's not even confirmed as [pre-]Optimus yet, so it's an ass-u-me-ption resting on an ass-u-me-ption.)
:::The only prior appearances of IDW Magnus are based on his Spotlight design, which doesn't appear to include an "inner robot" - unlike Prime in Escalation #5, the cab part of the truck doesn't fold up (it's just "swallowed"), and the movement of the arms as they form from the trailer in such a way as to prohibit there being an "inner robot" with arms. Granted, that's far later - but it means that it should need be proven, in-canon, that it IS Magnus, given that it was [http://idwpublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?&p=32233#32233 just something the artist threw in], not that it ISN'T. Grimlock can be proven via the head design. Magnus can't except by saying "it's like this elsewhere." Elsewhere, Galvatron=Megatron...
::::We know what characters look like. If there's an unnamed guy in the background of the [[Autobot Orbital Command Hub]] or crewing [[Ark-27]] who looks like Sureshot, then that's Sureshot. We don't have to wait for confirmation on that, because that would be absolutely nuts. Furthermore, if there's a set of character cameos shown who look like War Within Prime and Orion Pax had a baby, and one of them's blue and red and the other's white, and they're next to Elita One and Alpha Trion, and this is a flashback that takes place before the war, then frankly, the white one is Ultra Magnus. No questions asked. Refusing to acknowledge obvious visual cues until someone specifically identifies them is kinda autistic.
::::If Simon Furman or Eric Holmes decide, at some point, inside of a future comic story, somehow declare that is not Magnus, then we'll have to decide how to proceed. But, frankly, that would make it a continuity error in my book. Dreamwave's material claimed that [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] couldn't triple-change long after he was cameoed, unidentified, and triple-changing in the first War Within series. Well, it's too bad, because that was obviously him. Artists add all sorts of things that aren't in the script that count as canon, like the Optimus Prime statue holding up two golden discs in the third episode of Beast Machines. Despite that not being in the script, that statue got shot down, canonically. (We can also identify it as Optimus Prime without being told so.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Also, see [[Easter Egg]] for stuff on how they're treated in this wiki.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 15:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

==Killerpunch==

Where's this bit about Killerpunch thinking Magnus is a Decepticon spy come from? The Ascending/BW profile books? I'm not disputing it, I'm just curious. [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 05:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Unproduced G.I. Joe Transformer

2008-04-30T05:30:47Z

Onslaught Six: New page: This has been bugging me for a bit now. Other than the Super Toy Archive page's assumptions, do we have any irrefutable evidence that this was 'not' a prototype for a possible transforming...

This has been bugging me for a bit now. Other than the Super Toy Archive page's assumptions, do we have any irrefutable evidence that this was 'not' a prototype for a possible transforming Action Master vehicle? Like, y'know, a vehicle for Action Masters, but it could also transform. [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 05:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Lio Convoy (BW)

2008-04-30T05:24:01Z

Onslaught Six: /* A Different Sort Of Name Change */

==A Different Sort Of Name Change==
First, I'm putting this at the top so it doesn't get lost in the roiling sea of old arguing... anyway. While trying to look up Beast Wars II episode info, I stumbled onto a video upload site where someone put up the old Ctenosaur subs. Re-watching the first episode brought a certain piece of trivia screaming to the forefront: before Lio Convoy went to Gaia, he ''was not called Lio Convoy''; he was called ''Convoy''.

[http://www.veoh.com/videos/v8759133ek7n7eF?searchId=7915110046926033662&rank=10 You can watch here.]

I have ''no idea what this means.'' Certainly he wasn't the same character as Convoy/Optimus Primal... maybe it ties in with that recent Takara timeline idea that BW II and Neo took place further into the future? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 11:07, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

:I didn't watch it because I'm lazy, but could it possibly be that he was merely being called Convoy as a nickname here? I'm not familiar with the dialogue convention in BWII/Neo...US G1 tended to shorten the name to "Prime" while BW onwards seems to favour "Optimus." I dunno what they do in Japan, though--is LioConvoy (or even Big Convoy) ever referred to as simply "Convoy" in shorthand conversation? [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 05:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

==Personality==

Did Leo Prime have any actual personality in the Japanese stuff to record as his profile? As of right now it's mostly kinda a recounting of BW2 continuity specific story material rather than a true character profile. We should definately have a real profile whenever the IDW BW Guide comes out (soooon peeaaasse) but I was wondering if there was anything we could say about him personality wise as of now? What little I remember is pretty much "generic leader." [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:00, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

He's a Japanese leader. That means he has zero personality. Honestly, he was dull as dishwater in BWII. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 03:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

:I dunno, doesn't Leiconvoy party hard? Is eem to recall an episodew where he frank a lot of beer. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

::: Wow, franking beer *is* pretty unique behavior. (I don't usually point out spelling, but I just find this one really funny.) It wouldn't surprise me too much if he was a partier, Japan seems to like the idea of TFs getting drunk. Although I would think that'd be more Big Convoys thing, off hand. [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 12:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

==Name Change==

We should probably use a different image for Lio's main one. Namely, one of his first toy-body in normal colors. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

*Yeah, I never really intended to use that as the main one, just as a place-holder since Google wasn't finding me anything better. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

::Can we move this to [[Leo Prime]] now? Please? [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 14:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Oh, Lord yes! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

::: Have we seen the back of his card to be sure Leo Prime is definately the same character? I mean clearly the deco is inspired by him, I'm just wondering if we've seen the bio. (Even if we havn't, it probably WILL be him, I know, but we wont be 100% sure till we see.)

::::It's probably in the history now and I can't change it, but there was an angry and non-researched well rant here by me a while ago. I've changed my mind a little. Blog entry explains all.

:::::We can't check your blog if we don't know who you are. Please, register a username and sign your posts with four tildes - and welcome to Teletraan I. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 07:06, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::It's Onslaught Six. I have an account here and I know about the tildes. I just don't feel like logging in and stuff.

:::::::Well, if you don't care enough to do that, why should we care about what you have to say? - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 21:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

==Name Change: Part Deux==

Question: Now that we know that the Classic "Legends" figures have no character/bio info on the cards (we DO know that right, I'm not imagining it?) don't we have to question if "Leo Prime" is actually the same characters as "Lio Convoy"? I mean, *YES* his deco is definately a homage, but LOTS of Universe toys feature homage-decos and the *exact* same names as existing G1 characters, and we've consistantly and purposely refused to treat them as being new versions of the existing robots here, because there's no official proof/bio/characterization one way or the other. Leo Prime's case is pretty much exactly the same thing isn't it (or possibly even weaker, since in those cases even the names matched perfectly)? Certianly a homage, but with nothing official to confirm it, there's no way to really say he's the same guy from BW2. Not officially. Am I missing something? [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 12:16, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

*I agree. The decision to change the name seemed premature to me. What is the basis for saying they are one in the same? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 14:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

*They do have bios, albeit short ones. Leo Prime's has "Cybertronian Supreme Commander" in it somewhere. Also, Classics isn't comparable to Universe because it is stated to be a continuation of G1 and doesn't involve multiple universe-hopping. We don't have [[Megatron (Classics)]] or [[Trypticon (Classics)]] pages. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 14:57, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
: What Int said. Though it will all come down to what they call him in IDW's BW profile book, I imagine. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Spinning offa this, is there now more solid precedent for renaming Overlord as Gigatron? HOC is at least as valid as LOC, if anything it's actually more detailed. I understand some people are reluctant due to Dreamwave giving their character of Gigatron a completely different backstory than the fictional Overlord ever could have had--however, no material was ever canonically published that linked Overlord to Gigatron. Just interviews with Patyk/McDonaugh about where they'd like to take the character. It strikes me as no more consequential than 'The Greater Ape'. So why not rename?
:The European (thus, UK) release is named "Overlord". [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 03:10, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

:::I think we're waiting on Overlord until we get maybe another universe for him...? there's enough of a case to say ovelord = Gigatron IMO, but they're treated '''so''' differently...-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Again, though, there are TONS of instances of characters who are portrayed wildly different in different continuities. Take Marvel Grimlock vs. Cartoon Grimlock. Or Shockwave. Or Blaster. Hell, in Dreamwave's continuity, Scourge and Cyclonus are completely different robots rather than being reformatted from the seekers or the Insecticons. Should they get different pages, too? It's quite clear that Overlord and Gigatron are meant to be the same character, even if they were portrayed differently in different continuities. The same holds true for Leo Prime and Lio Convoy - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

::::Hey, you're preaching to the converted here.. I think part of the problem is- what do you call him? he got an einglish-language release as overlord. if he was renamed Gigatron... we don''t usually 'respect' renames on the Wiki. (Silverstreak, et al.) Except- in Dreamwave continuity is HIS Gigatron.. but BY FAR he's best RECOGNIZED as Overlord. And, you know, actually saw release under that name. It's a pickle. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::His American release was Gigatron. Isn't that pretty much the standard we're using? - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::*shrug* I will not oppose moving the article to Gigatron. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

:::In my opinion, if we were to consider J-Overlord and Gigatron the same character, then the same would apply to Lightfoot and Getaway, or Road King and Slapdash, etc. They're humans in robot suits, which their Western counterparts are not. Gigatron is the Hosehead to Overlord's Cab. Quite frankly, I advcoate making Gigatron as separate character article, just as the other Powermasters have separate articles from THEIR Godmaster counterparts, similar tech specs be damned. But, yeah, I'm probably in the minority on that. The problem, I suppose, comes with figuring out where Eurolord goes. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

:::::No, I'm down with that. I figure Masterforce Overlord should have his own separate article since he's a very distinctly separate... organism, then Eurolord/Gigatron a separate article. As for which name he'd go under, I vote Gigatron, since that's how we've got all the other Euro transplants from G2. (And is similar techs were all that, Charger would be Slag, and BM Mirage Skywarp.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:49, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

::::At this time and on little sleep, I would guess that Powermaster Gigatron and Eurolord fall under the same category as, say, G2 Laser Rod Jolt and G2 Illuminator Hotrod - essentially the same character with some details changed to suit the market. Saying that, I realize that Gigatron and Overlord have entirely different bios, but comparing [http://www.cobraislandtoys.com/tf/1988/overlordtechs.jpg] them [http://www.cobraislandtoys.com/tf/2004/gigatronboxback.jpg], I don't see anything that ''contradicts'' the other with the exception of Overlord having Energon mini figures and Gigatron being a Powermaster. On the other hand, maybe that's fanfic'ing it too much... man, does anyone have Andrew Frankel's address? I'm pretty sure he WROTE Gigatron's card bio and could just say what he intended the character to be. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I still don't understand why the Lio Convoy articles had to be changed to Leo Prime considering her's far better known as Lio Convoy, and has been a japanese character for far longer than a US character. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
:Because we go by English names for characters whenever they have them. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 20:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
::This is the English Transformers enyclopedia. Go to Japan's if you want Japanese names. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 02:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
:::I should note that ironically I am in an argument with somebody on TFW2005 who insists on using japanese names, and I am arguing Hasbro's case. I just think that in this case, the predominantly japanese character should use the japanese name, since that's what everybody who has heard of or is familiar with the character knows him as. If, IF this was the case of a joint line like the UT where Hasbro concurrently released the toy with a US name, then I might agree, but they didn't, and only just gave it a name on a repaint of a small impulse-buy toy last year. Also, the idea to change Overlord to Gigatron just because of some long-forgotten LOC is foolishness and would have just made things confusing. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
::::Your Gigatron comment would've probably been more relevant months ago. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 07:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::I hadn't joined then. But this still irks me. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
:Uh guys, are we forgetting this toy '''was''' sold by Hasbro Collectors as Lioconvoy (or LioConvoy).[http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.hasbrocollectors.com/product.cfm?product=4]
[[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 06:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

==Name Change: Part the Third==
It looks like IDW is going to be calling him [http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=208&itemid=9850 Lio Convoy]. How will this effect what we call the character here? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

:If true, I'd prefer to change it back to Lio Convoy, since now his only official US characterisation has given him the original japanese name (it seems). Plus he's been a japanese character way longer. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

:: I agree that if he IS Lio Convoy vs. Leo Prime when the actual IDW issues come out then yes it should be changed back, since then both would be US names and and Lio would have more story/history weight. It's wait and see at this point though, when the issues come we'll know. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 11:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::: Derik agrees with Zac- mostly because Leo Prime has cleared Hasbro legal... and we'd look ''exceptionally'' stupid if the issue came out and he was called Leo Prime, it's possible some copy editor just screwed up writing the promos. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

==Name Change IV: Japan is stupid==
There is no reason for it to remain Leo Prime when we've been told it's otherwise. If they change their mind when it comes to the Ascending, then it can be changed back. The character's official name in the fiction he appeared was Lio Convoy. Nothing past that matters. {{unsigned|159.134.162.193}}
:If you're referring to Furman's blog, that isn't a source of officiality (for lack of a better term) over the name on a toy's package, no matter how much you scream otherwise and call us anti-Japanese. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 11:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
::But the toy is not officially confirmed as being Lio Convoy. He is an autobot, not a maximal, for a start. The name of the character in the fiction he appears in, and the toys that were released, is Lio Convoy. Not to mention the Hasbro Collectors Lio Convoy, which was released in the west, as Lio Convoy. You(the Wiki people) ARE anti-japanese, as fuck, you're practically infamous for it, since other people acknowledge the original name of the character. Furman's comment only adds to it.
There is no reason for it to remain Leo Prime. {{unsigned|159.134.162.193}}
:We're "anti-japanese" in the manner that this the fucking ENGLISH WIKI. We deal with English names when possible. If "Supreme Commander" Leo Prime is not Lio Convoy, when who the fuck is he? Who is LoC Trypticon? Bumblebee? Jetfire? Fireflight? Menasor? "Maximal, not Autobot durr durr" is a retard's argument. Is ''Universe'' Optimus Primal a different character than ''Beast Wars'' Optimus Primal? ''Beast Wars'' Ravage from G1 Ravage? Original Blackarachnia from Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia from ''Universe'' Blackarachnia? Never mind that he's technically a Cybertron to begin with (which you're unsurprisingly silent on). [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 11:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
:: Too bad Lio Convoy is a JAPANESE FUCKING CHARACTER. What you're doing is bastardising Japanese Transformers to better fit your culture. You're like the 4kids of Transfandom. And yes, Beast Wars did continue Cybertron and Destron. I don't see the issue here. He could also be called a Maximal as the J Beast wars used the Maximal/Pred symbols, so we know for certain what the english(and probably better for disambiguation) equivalent is. Maximals were also a western invention. Lio Convoy was a Japanese invention, and has never been called Lio Prime in any offical fiction.
::But either way, because we know that the equivalent of a Cybertron in the Beast Era in Japan over here is a "maximal", we know the toy "should" be labeled a maximal. Cybertron Version 2. As it is, it's labeled Autobot, Cybertron Version 1, with the Autobot symbol. {{unsigned|193.120.116.179}}

::New IP-guy here, Because we all know that Universe Ratchet is the same guy as G1 Ratchet, and that Universe Defensor is the same guy as G1 Defensor. If we considered all the guys with the same paint job, and function to be the same characters, regardless of fiction, and even continuity of Origin, this Wiki would be fucked. And we still have no confirmation on the other LOC Classics, as far as the fiction is concerned they don't exist. And yes this is an English wiki, but it doesn't have to be an American one. As for your "Cybertron" Argument, the name is irrelevant, he still has a Maximal Symbol.
:::''Universe'' fiction bases itself on the multiverse. ''Classics''... does not. (Unless you'd like to argue that one-shot cameos in ''The War Within'' aren't the characters they obviously are, because we have no confirmation that they are.) Hasbro has stated that the LoC guys are the same characters. Why would they not be? What the Hell does America have to do with anything? If you are so desperately want this to be at LioConvoy, why are you not up in arms about him being referred to as a Maximal, when he never was? Why are you gnashing your teeth at one instance of "anti-Japanese bias", but not to another? [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 14:29, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
::::First of all, there's always been toy-only characters sense the dawn of Transformers, and in relation to the fiction, they simply don't exist in most cases! There's no Twintwist and Topspin running around in the G1 Cartoon always in the background, and likewise there's no Leo Prime running around in the Classics comic! He's a non entity, all we know about him is that he's a Supreme Commander of something, and also an Autobot, that's all! The fact that he's a homage to another character in another continuity is irrelevant. I'm so adement against Leo Prime because Lio Convoy was first, used more, and although both are really shitty names, Japan has an excuse, they don't speak the damn language their naming guys with! Also there's the fact that the entire club he belongs to has guys named Convoy, it's inconsistent! [[User:85.195.123.26|85.195.123.26]] 17:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::The only reason they don't "exist" is because you don't accept toys as valid for... some reason. Of course it's going to be inconsistent when we don't have English names for [[Big Convoy]] and some [[Great Convoy|Nobodies]]. [[Optimus Primal]] is inconsistent with the naming scheme, and the world has yet to end. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 19:31, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:: Anti-Japanese or not, I'd vote on using the name LioConvoy because it's the name that's actually been used within the fiction, whereas the Leo Prime name has thus far only shown up on a lone Classics repaint with no bio or backstory to speak of. Plus, LioConvoy was released in North America in the late 90s, I believe alongside Shadow Panther. Sure it was, if I recall, a mail-away, but it was still a North American release. I'd say the first release should win it over the later one (much like how Jazz didn't become Meister when his Alternator toy came out). I haven't read through the entire talk page so if those arguments were already presented and voted against, well... feel free to ignore what I just said. (although I personally think the name Leo Prime sounds stupid. Makes me think of a Snapper repaint with a blue bandanna) [[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
:::This is how you work with others, anonymous Netherlands guy. Instead of unilaterally changing stuff around and accusing us as being a cabal of bias, you present your case in the talk page. Detour, I don't see why the ''Classics'' toy should be irrelevant; it has a bio, albeit a short one, that calls Leo Prime a "Supreme Commander". I don't think the online store thing overrides that, since it just sold the Japanese toy (which ''is'' called LioConvoy). It's basically importing. (LioConvoy is a dumber name.) If the character is called Lio Convoy in the ''Beast Wars'' comic (''in'' the comic pages themselves, not a blog or solicitation), feel free to move it back. I'll urrgh at Furman maintaining a stupid name, but won't object. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 12:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
:: Interrobang, that doesn't make it wrong to point out that you, and several others, are complete twats. {{unsigned|193.120.116.179}}

Most likely, if Furman is calling him LioConvoy casually, that is also the name that will appear in the actual comic. Once we have confirmation of that, the page will move back to LioConvoy with Leo Prime listed as an alternate name. 159.134.162.193, you really need to learn how to talk to other people without being a huge turd. I don't think anybody was actually objecting to the change -- once the name is official, I imagine we would all vote to move -- they were objecting to your completely counterproductive methods and reverting on principle. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 20:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

:: People need to learn to edit this Wiki without being huge turds. The same Walky-isms(anti-Jap bias, anti-fan bias) are shitted all over this place. Once people start taking this ridiculous anti-fanboy phenomenon seriously, then I'll treat people with a little more respect. Every time I try to edit an article to balance the poking fun so it's at both sides(fans and Hasbro, or fans and anti-fans, I don't touch the original content, just add to it), it gets almost immediately reverted. As long as this continues, I see no reason to respect people who do not respect attempts at showing both sides of the coin. Dutch Anon may be more to your liking than Irish Anon, but it doesn't mean that either way is any more right. You only like him better because he's not challenging you and pointing out your flaws. That doesn't make his way more right. What you're doing on this wiki is very, very wrong. {{unsigned|193.120.116.179}}
::: Actually, I just realised that it was a registered member you were complimenting while flipping off Dutch Anon. What the hell? I can understand how you might think I'm a bit of a dick, but what has Dutch Anon done that's in the slightest bit aggressive? This just proves to me that some of you really can't deal with being challenged, at all(I already know David Willis can't). {{unsigned|193.120.116.179}}
::::Are you addressing me? You seem to be replying to my post, but I haven't complimented ''anybody'' here. And I don't think I said the previous anon editor was "agressive". I said he was being a turd. Perhaps that has an aggressive connotation in Ireland, but it doesn't in the US -- it just means I think he was an annoying jerk. I apologize if that wasn't clear. We can deal quite well with being challenged, but there hasn't really been a challenge here. When the Leo Prime toy was released, it was pretty clearly meant as a US-version of LioConvoy, thus making Leo Prime LioConvoy's US name. That is (probably) going to be overwritten with the new comic, and as such we will move the page back. All the people objecting have said is "you guys all hate Japan" and "his real name is LioConvoy", neither of which are actual arguments. One is false, and the other is subjective. I think Derik's Stepper/Riccochet example, below, is apt. Additionally, I think you will get a lot further if you think of this wiki as being edited by a large number of people who each have their own individual opinions, instead of as some weird conglomerate proxy for Walky. Just because you've heard of him and not the other editors doesn't mean he is responsible for the content here, and personally I get really irritated when people attribute things to him which other people wrote (like the old version of the [[fandom]] article, which was almost entirely my work). Also, please sign your posts, even if you insist on posting anonymously. It is very difficult to follow a discussion if the posts aren't signed. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:54, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Why are you talking about yourself in the third person, Dutch Anon? You know that [http://www.arin.net/whois/ WHOIS] exists and allows us to know that all of the IPs that have posted in this section is the same guy, yes?

I like how you call what we're "doing" on this wiki "very, very wrong". You take the name of one page on the Internet distressingly serious. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 03:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:In all fairness, it ''could'' be someone else with his same ISP. In the netherlands. ...who also passionately feels that this character shoudl be called Lio Convoy.

:<nowiki>*snrk*</nowiki> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:::If you guys hate the topic title so much why don't you just click on the move button? --[[User:Oboro maru|Oboro maru]] 20:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

::: Because some anti-Japheads keep reverting it and pathetically think they have some kind of moral high-ground for being incorrect, as long as that instance of being incorrect is according to some bizarre set of rules. {{unsigned|193.120.116.179}}
* Stop IP-jumping already. If you would just register and sign your posts you could be editing the actual article right now instead of snarling ineffectually on the Talk page. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 02:35, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

::::Not really, isn't making drastic changes and moving articles frowned upon? Doesn't there need to be a consciouses reached in the Talk Page first? [[User:85.195.119.14|85.195.119.14]] 05:24, 15 August 2007 (UTC) aka Not-Dutch-IP-Guy

::::Because, as said above, the official name wont be established until the first issue of the new BW mini is out. Once that happens it'll be moved if needed. Got it? :) [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 01:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
::::: But there's no basis for him to be called Leo Prime to begin with. Why can't it be moved now? {{unsigned|193.120.116.179}}

:::::Hasbro should have just called it Leo/Lio Primal, then it would have worked for BW's naming conventions, worked with the theme of Lio Convoy's original name and sort of makes sense in english. Yeah, I know they wanted to cash in on kids buying things with 'Prime' on them. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::: Lio Convoy is a fine name as it means they can introduce the Convoy council from Japanese Beast Wars. Optimus Primal took his name as a homage, maybe he'll originally have been something Convoy as well. Sometimes names have a ring to them all on their own. I'm GLAD they're using Lio Convoy because of the sheer lack of respect directed at the Japanese material, even that their own flagship character gets bastardised by a bunch of yanks. We know Takara are no better than Hasbro. We get it now. That doesn't mean you go pissing on everything Takara-not-Hasbro is involved with just to make a point.<small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:193.120.116.179|193.120.116.179]] ([[User talk:193.120.116.179|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/193.120.116.179|contribs]]){{#if:23:31, 14 August 2007| 23:31, 14 August 2007|}}.</small>

:::::::Nobody's pissing on anything. It's more that the term "Convoy" has no real meaning outside Japanese continuity, thus introducing it to American continuity just muddies the waters with no real payoff beyond fellating fans of the Japanese continuity. As for "their own flagship character getting bastardized by a bunch of Yanks" you're aware that Optimus Prime in general bears no relation to the "character" of [[Diaclone]] Battle Convoy? Most of the characters we've come to know did not exist prior to Marvel's treatment during the development of the Transformers brand. --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 23:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: The Diaclone "characters" weren't even characters at all but piloted mechs. They were turned into something different, something decent, with some care to it. It's not the same thing as purposely setting out to strip elements of another culture from their product. It's laughable to compare creative process to doing something that's probably at least, in part, to piss off Takara fanboys.<small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:193.120.116.179|193.120.116.179]] ([[User talk:193.120.116.179|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/193.120.116.179|contribs]]){{#if:23:47, 14 August 2007| 23:47, 14 August 2007|}}.</small>
:::::::::Okay, then I'm really not sure what you're referring to here. So I'm going to fall back on my original point of "Calling things Convoy in US continuity makes no goddamned sense." In Japan, they call them Convoys. In America, they're Primes. We don't have to mimic what amounts to bad translation birthing an ''Engrish'' term. As I said, it just muddies the waters and makes the terminology even less logical. Given that this ''is'' a character with US fiction continuity which will be added to further this very month, it doesn't matter particularly what they call him in Japan other than as a note of "Japanese Name: Lio Convoy" as with other characters who have different Japanese names.

:::::::::Unless of course Furman surprises us and introduces the term "Convoy" to his Beast Wars continuity in The Ascending and the profile books. At that point, we're stuck with it. It'll be dumb, but it'll be official and I will take my lumps accordingly.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 00:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

''Lio Convoy [...] means they can introduce the Convoy council from Japanese Beast Wars''

Er... what? ...they're the Maximal Council of Elders, aren't they? Are you actually suggesting they're a separate body? The Universe comics even gave the elders robes patterned after the Convoy Council. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, the 'Convoy council' makes no sense in english, though. Why would there be a seperate council when the BW continuity already has the Maximal council? Anon person needs to look at this through a US continuity perspective, rather than a japanese one.

:''I'm GLAD they're using Lio Convoy because of the sheer lack of respect directed at the Japanese material, even that their own flagship character gets bastardised by a bunch of yanks.''

:I think his appearance in the US continuity does him far more favours than his appearance in the japanese cartoons. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:36, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

This naming thing ''isn't'' part of an anti-Japan bias. (Though I admit the wiki has one.) It's about trying to figure out what the damn character's name is ''in English continuity.'' A lot of Japanese characters '''have''' different names in English vs. Japanese. This one's a bit odd since the English name is being declared/confirmed 9 or 10 years after-the-fact... but [[Ricochet (G1 Autobot)|Ricochet]] got an English name 17 years after he got a Japanese one. It happens. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, and all that mess with Nightstick has caused a major continuity headache on that point that somebody needs to clear up. Apparently, every single Targetmaster that came with Cyclonus, Scourge, Stepper and Artfire was named Nightstick at some point. Yeah. And I'd also like to note that, in spite of my desire to have this article moved, Dutch Anon is not me. And on another point, RicoStepper is a slightly different case because he's not exactly the leader of the Cybertron forces during BWII. [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 05:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

::[http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/ricochet.jpg I say he is]. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd just like to note how much I loved this...
''(American elitist bullshit. The character has never been officially named in any western TF fiction, and has never even appeared bar a short cameo in the Gathering.)''
...being immediately followed by this...
''(The character has been officially named Lio Convoy in western fiction. There is no logical reason to keep it at Leo Prime, other than to appease the Wiigii's anti-Jap leanings.)''
The only thing more adorable than watching someone get into a lather about a lie about toys on the internet is watching them not even manage to be consistent about it. You are a beautiful and unique snowflake. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 13:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:I'm greatly amused that the person screaming and foaming about mean nasty people with "bias" is casually flinging the derogatory racial epithet "Jap" around. I'm impressed. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
::Teletraan-1: Nipping the Nips since 2006. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:::ZOMG I FIGURED IT OUT! This person is Superman and he wants us to "Slap a Jap!" (Remember the old 'Superman is a Dick thread at the Allspark some years back? Think about it... and then move on.) --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 00:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

==Name Change 5: The Furman Strikes Back==
[http://media.comics.ign.com/media/956/956780/img_4801497.html No, Leo Prime. You are the Lio Convoy.]

No, your arguments still aren't correct, Dutch Anon. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 05:36, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
: Compelling argument. While I'd ''normally'' consider a preview page enough to justify a move... I suggest that since we agreed to wait for Ascending, let's wait until the issue is actually ''published'' before making the move.
: Partially in case there's any last minute copy changes... but <u>mostly</u> just to piss you off, because you've been such an ''enormous'' asshole about it.
: Anyone else? Move or wait for the issue to actually be released? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
::I'm more interested in that green Unicronian-looking crustacean. Is that who I think it is? No, not that guy, the other one. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
:::That does seem conclusive as to who he will be, but I'm kinda with Derik here that the dickishness that's raised its head in this thread makes me want to be hardassed and not move anything till the actual issue hits the stand. (Soon IDW please). On a seperate subject that DOES look to be Shokaract doesn't it, especially given its set up as happening at the end of Cybertron. It'd be neat to see Furman comming back to the Omega Point stuff. I miss the idea of the Chronarchitect and the other gods. -ZacWilliam, not logged in :)
:::::Speaking of Shokaract, I added a new main pic in anticipation (because I couldn't tell what the HELL was going on in the comic panel that was being used), but I think somebody needs to add some actual content to his page. Lazy people like me will like to read up on this guy when the new BW comics are released, but will be too lazy to search for Shokaract's appearances on Google. Lazy, I say. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

::::Oy. The Smeerlap's gonna claim victory over this even though it had already been decided long before she started posting, isn't she? I don't think there's a need to wait until publication, but I also don't feel that strongly about it. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 13:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

The anonymous poster from this thread is from IRELAND, not the Netherlands. I don't know why everyone keeps saying Netherlands. I think that was a completely different person in another article. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:03, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
:So are you suggesting we use Wacking Day as a pretext to drive the irish out of Springfield? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:20, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
::[http://www.arin.net/whois/ WHOIS] gives Netherlands for all of the IP addresses that whined about Leo Prime. How do you know he's from Ireland? [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 17:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Because I used services that actually look up where the IP address is geographically instead of who owns it, I guess. Try any service that comes up if you google "ip location". 193.120.116.179 and 159.134.162.193 are both Irish, and 85.195.123.26 is apparently an anonymous proxy located in Germany. Also the person in question stated that he was in Ireland, and at one point called himself not-Dutch. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:19, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
::::I am an idiot, then. I stand corrected. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 05:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that definitely looks like [[Shokaract]] and the [[Matrix of Conquest]] summoning Unicron. Almost seems a way to tie in Beast Wars Neo, at that. Considering how tied to the next rise of Unicron it is. The majority of characters shown are BWNeo Predacons and all.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 15:36, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

:Meh. Neo never had Unicron running around in his own body, just his consciousness trying to possess Cybertron.
:Wait, actually the manga did hav ehim in his body, I take it back. Heinrad on the whatever-you-call-it group would seem to imply there's at least a little manga influence in the continuity mix here. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:43, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Here's something I thought about - do we go by the name used predominantly in the fiction, or the actual trademarked name? Because unless Lio Convoy appears somewhere with 'LIO CONVOY (TM)' (and he doesn't need to in the comics), the name is not trademarked anywhere and technically, as far as Hasbro is concerned, he's still Leo Prime. Yeah, I know, then what about guys like Jazz, I have to draw the line at modified names of common words. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

:We're documenting fiction, not trademarks. Many TF's names arent' trademarked at all- and if Hasbro loses a trademark (Silverstreak) it doesn't force us to pretend that's actually the character's name. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:26, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, I know. We use the name since the name is not available otherwise, or we use a name because the current official name would be ridiculous to use. But if we're documenting fiction, should have this Leo Prime name ever have been used here in the first place? At the time, Classics Leo Prime appeared in zero fiction. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Will the anonymous editor who keeps trying to copy and paste the entire article over to [[Lio Convoy]] please just wait for the official page move? Preserving edit histories in a wiki is important.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 14:54, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

== Support the correction of the Leo Prime Debacle at Wikipedia ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leo_Prime [[User:24.127.3.102|24.127.3.102]] 01:05, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
:We're not Wikipedia.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 01:08, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
::I tend to not support whiners out of principle. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 01:38, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I couldn't even make it all the way through that. Can someone point out a user in that thread who I wouldn't hate, so I can read his/her posts and feel better about this fandom? [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Sure! I'm at the very bottom making fun of Virginian by requesting he source a piece of unsourecable stupidity he put in the article. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::There was a Classics litho at BotCon? [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 04:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::Yeah. It would be really nice if someone would put a scan online; nothing so big as to devalue the litho itself, but just something for reference. The LOCs are on it? [[User:Chip|Chip]] 04:10, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I bought the litho. I could take a picture of it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:15, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I might try to scan it directly to get some of the guys (Mini-Cons) who don't have art otherwise. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::::It'd be awesome if you did that, since I've never seen it (or knew about it until yesterday...). [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 22:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

== Silverstreak? ==

Methinks you copied that a little too literally...--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 02:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
:Heh heh heh heh heh... -02:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

==Black Lio Convoy==
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Black Lio Convoy a distinct entity in the cartoon? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:11, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== Japan only? ==

Is Leo a Japan only thing or is he an all world thing and his name just sounds like Japan's Optimus' name--[[User:Autobot Soundwave|Autobot Soundwave]] 00:01, 10 April 2008 (UTC)?
:Lio Convoy is from Beast Wars II, which was a Japanese-only continuity. He did not appear in US continuity until the IDW Beast Wars comics.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 00:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
::Beast Wars II?--[[User:Autobot Soundwave|Autobot Soundwave]] 00:20, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
:::This is a Transformers wiki. Look it up! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Or heck, read this article then click on the link in the same article.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 01:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Nova Prime

2007-09-13T17:07:41Z

Onslaught Six:

I must say, I'm ''really'' liking the depth given to the first Ark voyage through the Spotlight titles.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 21:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

We do realize that one of his captions MUST be [[Dark_Nova|"Nova Chevy?"]], right? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Duuuude. This guy is totally [[Checkpoint (Energon)|Checkpoint]]! [[User:71.60.159.181|71.60.159.181]] 05:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The resemblance between Novy's alt mode and Transtech Optimus Prime seems much more significant than other resemblance to other characters. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 00:40, September 10 2007 (UTC)
: That is a lie. He looks 400% more like Hero Optimus Prime than Transtech Optimus Prime. Show me a giant monkey face on the truck mode and an... entirely different robot mode, and I'll agree with you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:48, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
:: Oh, I wrote that because of the incline (or ramp?). I didn't mean Nova Prime has a monkey face. *smile* But, yeh, I found its light and many other factors surely look like Combat Hero Optimus Prime after you mentioned him. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 01:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
::I think the Transtech thing was his altmode, yeah. But his robot mode is totally Energon Rodimus. With hints of BWX Primal's chestplate (MEANING PRIMAL HAS A MATRIX OMG OMG!) [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 17:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Thunderwing (G1)

2007-08-22T17:47:03Z

Onslaught Six: /* IDW comics continuity */

{{disambig3|Thunderwing}}

:''Thunderwing is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[image:Thunderwingboxart.jpg|right|300px|thumbnail|It's some gooood box-art that makes his teeny inner robot look not-crappy.]]

Like many Decepticon leaders, '''Thunderwing''' strikes a delicate balance between calm composure and explosive rage (what humans would call "bipolar tendencies"). Thunderwing wants to be admired and respected by his subordinates, but all too often he can be caught in a consuming obsession that leads him down the irreversible path of darkness, bringing his entire home plant to the brink of destruction in several universes.

But, hey -- he means well.

''French-Canadian name'': '''Aérofoudre'''

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
[[Image:ThunderwingComic.jpg|left|thumbnail|Si, Senior.]]

:''('''Note''': Events in italics occurred only in the Marvel UK books.)''

''Thunderwing was a driven Decepticon who rose quickly from relative obscurity to a command position in the ranks. He made a bid for full leadership of the Decepticons to the [[Decepticon High Council|High Council]], and they decided to test him with a hunting mission -- three Autobot prisoners were released on Earth, and Thunderwing was charged with chasing down and executing them on his own. While [[Playback]] and [[Horsepower]] did fall before his cyclone cannon, the last runner [[Hosehead]] was saved by his fellow Autobots [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] and [[Siren]]. The [[Headmaster]]s exploded the fuel core in Playback's corpse at close range to Thunderwing, nearly cooking him alive inside his own impenetrable [[Pretender]] shell. Shrieking in agony, Thunderwing plunged into the nearby surf. {{Storylink|The Big Shutdown}}''

''Thunderwing eventually rose from the waters, his still-cooling shell juxtaposed with the growing intensity of his rage at being beaten. Thunderwing lashed out at everything around him, and very nearly destroyed a ship of his fellow Decepticons who had been sent to find him. As a duly appointed officer of the Decepticon High Council, [[Ruckus]] was sent to inform Thunderwing that his bid for leadership was not being rejected outright, but was still under review and the Councillors had asked that he return to Cybertron. Instead, Thunderwing violently conscripted Ruckus and his team into joining him for an assault on the Ark, in order to get revenge on Hosehead and his ilk. Thunderwing single-handed blasted his way into the Ark and confronted Optimus Prime directly, before Ruckus convinced him to save the fight for another day. Returning to Cybertron, Thunderwing was surprised to learn that the Decepticon High Council was impressed by his initiative and the strength of his vendetta, and granted him full leadership of the Decepticons of Cybertron. {{Storylink|Rage!}} {{Storylink|Assault on the Ark!}}''

''One of Thunderwing's first actions on taking over Decepticon leadership was to abolish neutral territories, making places such as [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]] Decepticon-only establishments. {{Storylink|Out to Lunch}}''

Lord Thunderwing became displeased with the growing success of Jazz, Grimlock, and Bumblebee and their raiding of Decepticon fuel depositories. He ordered [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Octopunch]] and [[Stranglehold]] -- the [[Mayhem Attack Squad]] -- to find and kill the Autobot Pretenders.

At the beginning of the [[Matrix Quest]], Thunderwing began to take matters into his own hands. After learning of the Matrix from some captured Autobots, he realized that it was the key to power beyond comprehension. His obsession with finding the Creation Matrix caused some concerns for the Decepticons under his command (as they did not know of the Matrix's true power), he even attacked his own troops when accused of taking his personal quest too far.

It was at this time that Thunderwing revealed that he was one of the select few Transformers, and indeed, the only known Decepticon, to possess a natural affinity for the Matrix. He was one of the very few who could actually use the powers of The Matrix. (Whether this makes him an actual [[Matrix Templar]] like [[Snarl (BM)|Snarl]] or [[Hot Rod]] is unclear.)

After forming a psychic link with an immense whale-like alien called a [[Kludd]] whom had been restored from the brink of extinction by the Matrix's power, Thunderwing learned where the Matrix was last seen: the third moon of [[Cameron]]. Thunderwing immediately set out to retrieve it, much to the disapproval of his troops.

As it would happen, between the revival of the Kludd and the arrival of Thunderwing, The Creation Matrix had become warped. A dying alien "[[Deathbringer]]" had touched the Matrix, and was fully healed and recreated by its power. This malevolent entity gave The Matrix its first taste of evil. Later, another creature found the Matrix: a parasitic insect which existed purely to kill and destroy. The Matrix, now quite fascinated by the nature of darkness, restored and improved the creature, considering it to be the single most evil creature it had ever seen. This new creature was referred to as the [[Matrix Spawn]] and would serve as its vessel.

Meanwhile, the Autobot Pretenders, having escaped from the Mayhem Attack Squad, arrived on Cameron after hearing the reports of a research team on that moon. The researchers had discovered an incredible power source inside [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s old body -- shortly before being slaughtered by the Matrix Spawn creature. The Autobots could only assume that the described "power source" was the Creation Matrix.

When Thunderwing arrived on Cameron, he attacked the Autobot Pretenders. The battle was pre-empted by the arrival of the Matrix Spawn however. Thunderwing, possessing a natural affinity for The Matrix, managed to catch The Spawn off guard, causing it to flee with Thunderwing in pursuit.

The Spawn fled straight to the Matrix, where it met Thunderwing in mortal combat. The Spawn was defeated, and the Matrix was Thunderwing's prize.

[[Image:Thunderwing_with_matrix.jpg|right|thumb|I HAVE THE POWERRRRR!.]]In the final issue of the Matrix Quest mini-series, Thunderwing, using his new found power as a result of having the Matrix, moved to the [[Ark]] with the intention of destroying the Autobots.

After nearly beating Optimus Prime to death with his bare hands, the other Decepticons under Thunderwing's command realized how completely Thunderwing had fallen, and turned against him. After being damaged by one of the Pretenders, the true scope of relationship between The Matrix and Thunderwing was revealed. The Matrix's newly found evil influence was even enough to dwarf Thunderwing's own judgement, and was controlling him!

After Thunderwing (or "The Vessel" as the Matrix called him) was damaged, The Matrix manifested itself as an immense spectral demon. This new entity proved to be too much for both Autobots and Decepticons to handle. After seeing what he had become, Thunderwing struggled to break free of The Matrix's control. While the Thunderwing/Matrix demon was distracted, the course of the battle shifted.

During the turmoil, the Autobots who had been captured by Thunderwing earlier in the Matrix Quest story-line had gotten free. Nightbeat managed to fire the Decepticon ship's grappling hook into Thunderwing's shoulder. They then launched the ship out of the Ark, and detonated it, apparently destroying both Thunderwing and the Matrix. This saved all the Transformers on board, but left no method for defending themselves from the coming threat of [[Unicron]].

Only when Unicron finally arrived on Cybertron, did the corrupted Matrix and Thunderwing reappear. Despite now being corrupted and enraptured by the nature of darkness, The Matrix was created to destroy Unicron. It could not deny this aspect of its existence.

Sensing its ancient nemesis, The Matrix rebuilt Thunderwing, who promptly sped to Cybertron. Unfortunately, ''because'' the Matrix was now a product of evil, it had no effect upon Unicron, who destroyed the Decepticon completely with a massive burst of energy, ending Thunderwing's career permanently. {{Storylink|On the Edge of Extinction!}}

===Dreamwave ''Armada'' comics===
An alternate version of Thunderwing appeared briefly as one of [[Unicron]]'s heralds, along with [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. He was blown up when [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] detonated the Decepticon headquarters that they had taken over.

=== IDW comics continuity ===
[[Image:Thunderwingwhathaveyoudone.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Moral of ''Stormbringer'': Pretenders [[Ruined FOREVER|ruined ''Transformers'' FOREVER.]]]]Seven hundred years ago, during the height of the Autobot-Decepticon war on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Thunderwing was a Decepticon scientist who alerted both sides to the damage that the ongoing conflict was doing to their planet and the resultant danger of an impending catastrophic event. According to [[Bludgeon_(G1)|Bludgeon]], his warnings were ignored, even by [[Jetfire_(G1)|Jetfire]].

Subsequently, Thunderwing took action on his own, subjecting himself to a "grafting" process of his own design, one that had previously been summarily rejected by Megatron as "unnatural" and "ill-concieved." This process, of grafting tissue culled from living subjects onto a Transformer to create an armored symbiotic carapace, somehow also appears to have made him the avatar of the very apocalypse he had warned against. The process drove Thunderwing insane but made him invulnerable; even the combined might of the Autobots and Decepticons coudn't stop him. In the end, he was swallowed whole by Cybertron itself, leaving the planet completely uninhabitable.

When [[Shockwave]] went missing, Megatron assigned Bludgeon to dig into his research and find out what he was up to. An indeterminate time later, Thunderwing's resting place was discovered by a group of Decepticons led by Bludgeon, who planned to continue where Thunderwing left off. The project was completed in the present day, using a combinaton of "[[Ultra-Energon]]" (culled from Shockwave's research) and a set of imprinted commands. Thunderwing was thus resurrected, and immediately departed for [[Nebulos]] following Bludgeon's plans to sacrifice that world to somehow restore Cybertron. There, Thunderwing was engaged by the Decepticon Infiltration team in place, which did not want to see Nebulos completely destroyed. After Thunderwing totalled [[Crankcase]], [[Ruckus]], and [[Roadgrabber]], the survivors, [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]], [[Darkwing]], and [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]], abandoned the planet, leaving Thunderwing alone. However, after the destruction of Bludgeon's control harness, Thunderwing changed course - back towards Cybertron. There he revealed a third "Ultra" robot configuration. Thanks to the [[Wreckers]], the Decepticons, a speech from Optimus Prime, and the instability of Ultra Energon, he was stopped dead in his tracks. His innanimate form was taken into custody by the Autobots. {{storylink|Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer}}

{{spoiler}}

[[Galvatron]] would later steal Thunderwing's body from [[Hound (G1)|Hound]]'s detail of Autobots, in service of his master in the [[Dead Universe]]. Whether they plan to revive Thunderwing, duplicate his grafting process or something else is yet unknown. {{storylink|Spotlight: Galvatron}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Thunderwing''' (Mega Pretender, 1989)

Thunderwing's inner robot transforms into shuttlecraft. His [[Pretender]] shell also transforms into a starship mode of its own. The inner vehicle can be attached underneath the nose of the larger vehicle to create a combined starship mode.

: This mold was [[retool]]ed to make [[Black Shadow]].

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1989/Decepticon/Thunderwing/thunderwing.htm Thunderwing at TFU.info]

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[[Category: Armada characters]]
[[Category: Decepticons]]
[[Category: Decepticon leaders]]
[[Category: Dimension hoppers]]
[[Category:Unicron-related characters]]
[[Category: Pretenders]]
[[Category: Scientists]]
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Talk:Tech Spec

2007-08-19T01:30:09Z

Onslaught Six:

On the few packages I could find that had the term (some G1 and MW boxes), it was conspicuously capitalized. So I've used "Tech Specs" when talking about the actual technical-specifications chart, and I've used "tech specs" for the casual definition of the whole bio/art/TS group.

Also, I heartily encourage fact-checking, especially in the Armada part. I have confidence in everything I wrote, but not much evidence to back it up (especially the Hasbro-misunderstanding rumor). And my knowledge only becomes shakier after that, so I stopped myself for good measure.

If I had more time, I'd do some more digging with regards to the quirks of G1 Tech-Speckery, like the different categories for the Micromaster teams, or the specific ratings on the Headmaster toys. But I don't, so I invite anybody who's interested to go for it. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:43, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

:When in doubt, mark a section with <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> (a request for a supporting citation) indicating you ''think'' this is right, but you're unsure enough that you'd appreciate a concrete example. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

::I think the article has things backwards. Most of the RID toys had full writeups and quotes. It was in Armada that we got nothing at all. The stickers had no numbers on them. We didn't get even the numbers back until Energon.--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

There were Energon Bio trading cards with some of the toys.
Oddly, my Jetfire had a tech spec card and a bio card. Just mentioning. --[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]
:That was actually something that seemed to vary from shipment to shipment. Some had one, some had the other, some had both. I've seen different pack-ins even for the same toy.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 20:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
::I really stopped paying attention to Tech Spec stuff around that time, so if you want to throw Energon info in there, be my guest. Also, I don't know when they started printing 'em on the packaging again, but if anyone else knows, that'd be good to have in there too. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Believe they started ending up on the packaging again as of Cybertron. I remember amassing a nice little stack of tech spec cards from Energon, then being disappointed that Cybertron lacked them.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 21:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Weren't there bios for the ''Armada'' characters online from pretty much the outset of the line? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

When did they switch from '''Firepower''' to '''Fireblast'''?

:RID, wasn't it? It was present in BM, definitely, and all. [[User:71.60.159.181|71.60.159.181]] 00:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

You bastards. You went and made this page when I was already working on one. Suck. Oh well, yours is better. Just nobody start one on [[Box art]] in the next week or so, 'kay? [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 01:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Lio Convoy (BW)

2007-08-15T05:33:12Z

Onslaught Six:

==Name Change==

We should probably use a different image for Lio's main one. Namely, one of his first toy-body in normal colors. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

*Yeah, I never really intended to use that as the main one, just as a place-holder since Google wasn't finding me anything better. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

::Can we move this to [[Leo Prime]] now? Please? [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 14:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Oh, Lord yes! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

::: Have we seen the back of his card to be sure Leo Prime is definately the same character? I mean clearly the deco is inspired by him, I'm just wondering if we've seen the bio. (Even if we havn't, it probably WILL be him, I know, but we wont be 100% sure till we see.)

::::It's probably in the history now and I can't change it, but there was an angry and non-researched well rant here by me a while ago. I've changed my mind a little. Blog entry explains all.

:::::We can't check your blog if we don't know who you are. Please, register a username and sign your posts with four tildes - and welcome to Teletraan I. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 07:06, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::It's Onslaught Six. I have an account here and I know about the tildes. I just don't feel like logging in and stuff.

:::::::Well, if you don't care enough to do that, why should we care about what you have to say? - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 21:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

==Personality==

Did Leo Prime have any actual personality in the Japanese stuff to record as his profile? As of right now it's mostly kinda a recounting of BW2 continuity specific story material rather than a true character profile. We should definately have a real profile whenever the IDW BW Guide comes out (soooon peeaaasse) but I was wondering if there was anything we could say about him personality wise as of now? What little I remember is pretty much "generic leader." [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:00, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

He's a Japanese leader. That means he has zero personality. Honestly, he was dull as dishwater in BWII. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 03:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

:I dunno, doesn't Leiconvoy party hard? Is eem to recall an episodew where he frank a lot of beer. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

::: Wow, franking beer *is* pretty unique behavior. (I don't usually point out spelling, but I just find this one really funny.) It wouldn't surprise me too much if he was a partier, Japan seems to like the idea of TFs getting drunk. Although I would think that'd be more Big Convoys thing, off hand. [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 12:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

==Name Change: Part Deux==

Question: Now that we know that the Classic "Legends" figures have no character/bio info on the cards (we DO know that right, I'm not imagining it?) don't we have to question if "Leo Prime" is actually the same characters as "Lio Convoy"? I mean, *YES* his deco is definately a homage, but LOTS of Universe toys feature homage-decos and the *exact* same names as existing G1 characters, and we've consistantly and purposely refused to treat them as being new versions of the existing robots here, because there's no official proof/bio/characterization one way or the other. Leo Prime's case is pretty much exactly the same thing isn't it (or possibly even weaker, since in those cases even the names matched perfectly)? Certianly a homage, but with nothing official to confirm it, there's no way to really say he's the same guy from BW2. Not officially. Am I missing something? [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 12:16, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

*I agree. The decision to change the name seemed premature to me. What is the basis for saying they are one in the same? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 14:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

*They do have bios, albeit short ones. Leo Prime's has "Cybertronian Supreme Commander" in it somewhere. Also, Classics isn't comparable to Universe because it is stated to be a continuation of G1 and doesn't involve multiple universe-hopping. We don't have [[Megatron (Classics)]] or [[Trypticon (Classics)]] pages. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 14:57, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
: What Int said. Though it will all come down to what they call him in IDW's BW profile book, I imagine. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Spinning offa this, is there now more solid precedent for renaming Overlord as Gigatron? HOC is at least as valid as LOC, if anything it's actually more detailed. I understand some people are reluctant due to Dreamwave giving their character of Gigatron a completely different backstory than the fictional Overlord ever could have had--however, no material was ever canonically published that linked Overlord to Gigatron. Just interviews with Patyk/McDonaugh about where they'd like to take the character. It strikes me as no more consequential than 'The Greater Ape'. So why not rename?
:The European (thus, UK) release is named "Overlord". [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 03:10, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

:::I think we're waiting on Overlord until we get maybe another universe for him...? there's enough of a case to say ovelord = Gigatron IMO, but they're treated '''so''' differently...-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Again, though, there are TONS of instances of characters who are portrayed wildly different in different continuities. Take Marvel Grimlock vs. Cartoon Grimlock. Or Shockwave. Or Blaster. Hell, in Dreamwave's continuity, Scourge and Cyclonus are completely different robots rather than being reformatted from the seekers or the Insecticons. Should they get different pages, too? It's quite clear that Overlord and Gigatron are meant to be the same character, even if they were portrayed differently in different continuities. The same holds true for Leo Prime and Lio Convoy - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

::::Hey, you're preaching to the converted here.. I think part of the problem is- what do you call him? he got an einglish-language release as overlord. if he was renamed Gigatron... we don''t usually 'respect' renames on the Wiki. (Silverstreak, et al.) Except- in Dreamwave continuity is HIS Gigatron.. but BY FAR he's best RECOGNIZED as Overlord. And, you know, actually saw release under that name. It's a pickle. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::His American release was Gigatron. Isn't that pretty much the standard we're using? - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::*shrug* I will not oppose moving the article to Gigatron. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

:::In my opinion, if we were to consider J-Overlord and Gigatron the same character, then the same would apply to Lightfoot and Getaway, or Road King and Slapdash, etc. They're humans in robot suits, which their Western counterparts are not. Gigatron is the Hosehead to Overlord's Cab. Quite frankly, I advcoate making Gigatron as separate character article, just as the other Powermasters have separate articles from THEIR Godmaster counterparts, similar tech specs be damned. But, yeah, I'm probably in the minority on that. The problem, I suppose, comes with figuring out where Eurolord goes. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

:::::No, I'm down with that. I figure Masterforce Overlord should have his own separate article since he's a very distinctly separate... organism, then Eurolord/Gigatron a separate article. As for which name he'd go under, I vote Gigatron, since that's how we've got all the other Euro transplants from G2. (And is similar techs were all that, Charger would be Slag, and BM Mirage Skywarp.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:49, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

::::At this time and on little sleep, I would guess that Powermaster Gigatron and Eurolord fall under the same category as, say, G2 Laser Rod Jolt and G2 Illuminator Hotrod - essentially the same character with some details changed to suit the market. Saying that, I realize that Gigatron and Overlord have entirely different bios, but comparing [http://www.cobraislandtoys.com/tf/1988/overlordtechs.jpg] them [http://www.cobraislandtoys.com/tf/2004/gigatronboxback.jpg], I don't see anything that ''contradicts'' the other with the exception of Overlord having Energon mini figures and Gigatron being a Powermaster. On the other hand, maybe that's fanfic'ing it too much... man, does anyone have Andrew Frankel's address? I'm pretty sure he WROTE Gigatron's card bio and could just say what he intended the character to be. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I still don't understand why the Lio Convoy articles had to be changed to Leo Prime considering her's far better known as Lio Convoy, and has been a japanese character for far longer than a US character. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
:Because we go by English names for characters whenever they have them. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 20:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
::This is the English Transformers enyclopedia. Go to Japan's if you want Japanese names. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 02:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
:::I should note that ironically I am in an argument with somebody on TFW2005 who insists on using japanese names, and I am arguing Hasbro's case. I just think that in this case, the predominantly japanese character should use the japanese name, since that's what everybody who has heard of or is familiar with the character knows him as. If, IF this was the case of a joint line like the UT where Hasbro concurrently released the toy with a US name, then I might agree, but they didn't, and only just gave it a name on a repaint of a small impulse-buy toy last year. Also, the idea to change Overlord to Gigatron just because of some long-forgotten LOC is foolishness and would have just made things confusing. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
::::Your Gigatron comment would've probably been more relevant months ago. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 07:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::I hadn't joined then. But this still irks me. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
:Uh guys, are we forgetting this toy '''was''' sold by Hasbro Collectors as Lioconvoy (or LioConvoy).[http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.hasbrocollectors.com/product.cfm?product=4]
[[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 06:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

==Name Change: Part the Third==
It looks like IDW is going to be calling him [http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=208&itemid=9850 Lio Convoy]. How will this effect what we call the character here? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

:If true, I'd prefer to change it back to Lio Convoy, since now his only official US characterisation has given him the original japanese name (it seems). Plus he's been a japanese character way longer. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

:: I agree that if he IS Lio Convoy vs. Leo Prime when the actual IDW issues come out then yes it should be changed back, since then both would be US names and and Lio would have more story/history weight. It's wait and see at this point though, when the issues come we'll know. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 11:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::: Derik agrees with Zac- mostly because Leo Prime has cleared Hasbro legal... and we'd look ''exceptionally'' stupid if the issue came out and he was called Leo Prime, it's possible some copy editor just screwed up writing the promos. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

==Name Change IV: Japan is stupid==
There is no reason for it to remain Leo Prime when we've been told it's otherwise. If they change their mind when it comes to the Ascending, then it can be changed back. The character's official name in the fiction he appeared was Lio Convoy. Nothing past that matters. {{unsigned|159.134.162.193}}
:If you're referring to Furman's blog, that isn't a source of officiality (for lack of a better term) over the name on a toy's package, no matter how much you scream otherwise and call us anti-Japanese. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 11:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
::But the toy is not officially confirmed as being Lio Convoy. He is an autobot, not a maximal, for a start. The name of the character in the fiction he appears in, and the toys that were released, is Lio Convoy. Not to mention the Hasbro Collectors Lio Convoy, which was released in the west, as Lio Convoy. You(the Wiki people) ARE anti-japanese, as fuck, you're practically infamous for it, since other people acknowledge the original name of the character. Furman's comment only adds to it.
There is no reason for it to remain Leo Prime. {{unsigned|159.134.162.193}}
:We're "anti-japanese" in the manner that this the fucking ENGLISH WIKI. We deal with English names when possible. If "Supreme Commander" Leo Prime is not Lio Convoy, when who the fuck is he? Who is LoC Trypticon? Bumblebee? Jetfire? Fireflight? Menasor? "Maximal, not Autobot durr durr" is a retard's argument. Is ''Universe'' Optimus Primal a different character than ''Beast Wars'' Optimus Primal? ''Beast Wars'' Ravage from G1 Ravage? Original Blackarachnia from Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia from ''Universe'' Blackarachnia? Never mind that he's technically a Cybertron to begin with (which you're unsurprisingly silent on). [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 11:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
:: Too bad Lio Convoy is a JAPANESE FUCKING CHARACTER. What you're doing is bastardising Japanese Transformers to better fit your culture. You're like the 4kids of Transfandom. And yes, Beast Wars did continue Cybertron and Destron. I don't see the issue here. He could also be called a Maximal as the J Beast wars used the Maximal/Pred symbols, so we know for certain what the english(and probably better for disambiguation) equivalent is. Maximals were also a western invention. Lio Convoy was a Japanese invention, and has never been called Lio Prime in any offical fiction.
::But either way, because we know that the equivalent of a Cybertron in the Beast Era in Japan over here is a "maximal", we know the toy "should" be labeled a maximal. Cybertron Version 2. As it is, it's labeled Autobot, Cybertron Version 1, with the Autobot symbol. {{unsigned|193.120.116.179}}

::New IP-guy here, Because we all know that Universe Ratchet is the same guy as G1 Ratchet, and that Universe Defensor is the same guy as G1 Defensor. If we considered all the guys with the same paint job, and function to be the same characters, regardless of fiction, and even continuity of Origin, this Wiki would be fucked. And we still have no confirmation on the other LOC Classics, as far as the fiction is concerned they don't exist. And yes this is an English wiki, but it doesn't have to be an American one. As for your "Cybertron" Argument, the name is irrelevant, he still has a Maximal Symbol.
:::''Universe'' fiction bases itself on the multiverse. ''Classics''... does not. (Unless you'd like to argue that one-shot cameos in ''The War Within'' aren't the characters they obviously are, because we have no confirmation that they are.) Hasbro has stated that the LoC guys are the same characters. Why would they not be? What the Hell does America have to do with anything? If you are so desperately want this to be at LioConvoy, why are you not up in arms about him being referred to as a Maximal, when he never was? Why are you gnashing your teeth at one instance of "anti-Japanese bias", but not to another? [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 14:29, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
::::First of all, there's always been toy-only characters sense the dawn of Transformers, and in relation to the fiction, they simply don't exist in most cases! There's no Twintwist and Topspin running around in the G1 Cartoon always in the background, and likewise there's no Leo Prime running around in the Classics comic! He's a non entity, all we know about him is that he's a Supreme Commander of something, and also an Autobot, that's all! The fact that he's a homage to another character in another continuity is irrelevant. I'm so adement against Leo Prime because Lio Convoy was first, used more, and although both are really shitty names, Japan has an excuse, they don't speak the damn language their naming guys with! Also there's the fact that the entire club he belongs to has guys named Convoy, it's inconsistent! [[User:85.195.123.26|85.195.123.26]] 17:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::The only reason they don't "exist" is because you don't accept toys as valid for... some reason. Of course it's going to be inconsistent when we don't have English names for [[Big Convoy]] and some [[Great Convoy|Nobodies]]. [[Optimus Primal]] is inconsistent with the naming scheme, and the world has yet to end. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 19:31, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:: Anti-Japanese or not, I'd vote on using the name LioConvoy because it's the name that's actually been used within the fiction, whereas the Leo Prime name has thus far only shown up on a lone Classics repaint with no bio or backstory to speak of. Plus, LioConvoy was released in North America in the late 90s, I believe alongside Shadow Panther. Sure it was, if I recall, a mail-away, but it was still a North American release. I'd say the first release should win it over the later one (much like how Jazz didn't become Meister when his Alternator toy came out). I haven't read through the entire talk page so if those arguments were already presented and voted against, well... feel free to ignore what I just said. (although I personally think the name Leo Prime sounds stupid. Makes me think of a Snapper repaint with a blue bandanna) [[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
:::This is how you work with others, anonymous Netherlands guy. Instead of unilaterally changing stuff around and accusing us as being a cabal of bias, you present your case in the talk page. Detour, I don't see why the ''Classics'' toy should be irrelevant; it has a bio, albeit a short one, that calls Leo Prime a "Supreme Commander". I don't think the online store thing overrides that, since it just sold the Japanese toy (which ''is'' called LioConvoy). It's basically importing. (LioConvoy is a dumber name.) If the character is called Lio Convoy in the ''Beast Wars'' comic (''in'' the comic pages themselves, not a blog or solicitation), feel free to move it back. I'll urrgh at Furman maintaining a stupid name, but won't object. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 12:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
:: Interrobang, that doesn't make it wrong to point out that you, and several others, are complete twats. {{unsigned|193.120.116.179}}

Most likely, if Furman is calling him LioConvoy casually, that is also the name that will appear in the actual comic. Once we have confirmation of that, the page will move back to LioConvoy with Leo Prime listed as an alternate name. 159.134.162.193, you really need to learn how to talk to other people without being a huge turd. I don't think anybody was actually objecting to the change -- once the name is official, I imagine we would all vote to move -- they were objecting to your completely counterproductive methods and reverting on principle. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 20:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

:: People need to learn to edit this Wiki without being huge turds. The same Walky-isms(anti-Jap bias, anti-fan bias) are shitted all over this place. Once people start taking this ridiculous anti-fanboy phenomenon seriously, then I'll treat people with a little more respect. Every time I try to edit an article to balance the poking fun so it's at both sides(fans and Hasbro, or fans and anti-fans, I don't touch the original content, just add to it), it gets almost immediately reverted. As long as this continues, I see no reason to respect people who do not respect attempts at showing both sides of the coin. Dutch Anon may be more to your liking than Irish Anon, but it doesn't mean that either way is any more right. You only like him better because he's not challenging you and pointing out your flaws. That doesn't make his way more right. What you're doing on this wiki is very, very wrong. {{unsigned|193.120.116.179}}
::: Actually, I just realised that it was a registered member you were complimenting while flipping off Dutch Anon. What the hell? I can understand how you might think I'm a bit of a dick, but what has Dutch Anon done that's in the slightest bit aggressive? This just proves to me that some of you really can't deal with being challenged, at all(I already know David Willis can't). {{unsigned|193.120.116.179}}
::::Are you addressing me? You seem to be replying to my post, but I haven't complimented ''anybody'' here. And I don't think I said the previous anon editor was "agressive". I said he was being a turd. Perhaps that has an aggressive connotation in Ireland, but it doesn't in the US -- it just means I think he was an annoying jerk. I apologize if that wasn't clear. We can deal quite well with being challenged, but there hasn't really been a challenge here. When the Leo Prime toy was released, it was pretty clearly meant as a US-version of LioConvoy, thus making Leo Prime LioConvoy's US name. That is (probably) going to be overwritten with the new comic, and as such we will move the page back. All the people objecting have said is "you guys all hate Japan" and "his real name is LioConvoy", neither of which are actual arguments. One is false, and the other is subjective. I think Derik's Stepper/Riccochet example, below, is apt. Additionally, I think you will get a lot further if you think of this wiki as being edited by a large number of people who each have their own individual opinions, instead of as some weird conglomerate proxy for Walky. Just because you've heard of him and not the other editors doesn't mean he is responsible for the content here, and personally I get really irritated when people attribute things to him which other people wrote (like the old version of the [[fandom]] article, which was almost entirely my work). Also, please sign your posts, even if you insist on posting anonymously. It is very difficult to follow a discussion if the posts aren't signed. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:54, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Why are you talking about yourself in the third person, Dutch Anon? You know that [http://www.arin.net/whois/ WHOIS] exists and allows us to know that all of the IPs that have posted in this section is the same guy, yes?

I like how you call what we're "doing" on this wiki "very, very wrong". You take the name of one page on the Internet distressingly serious. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 03:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:In all fairness, it ''could'' be someone else with his same ISP. In the netherlands. ...who also passionately feels that this character shoudl be called Lio Convoy.

:<nowiki>*snrk*</nowiki> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:::If you guys hate the topic title so much why don't you just click on the move button? --[[User:Oboro maru|Oboro maru]] 20:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

::: Because some anti-Japheads keep reverting it and pathetically think they have some kind of moral high-ground for being incorrect, as long as that instance of being incorrect is according to some bizarre set of rules. {{unsigned|193.120.116.179}}
* Stop IP-jumping already. If you would just register and sign your posts you could be editing the actual article right now instead of snarling ineffectually on the Talk page. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 02:35, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

::::Not really, isn't making drastic changes and moving articles frowned upon? Doesn't there need to be a consciouses reached in the Talk Page first? [[User:85.195.119.14|85.195.119.14]] 05:24, 15 August 2007 (UTC) aka Not-Dutch-IP-Guy

::::Because, as said above, the official name wont be established until the first issue of the new BW mini is out. Once that happens it'll be moved if needed. Got it? :) [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 01:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
::::: But there's no basis for him to be called Leo Prime to begin with. Why can't it be moved now? {{unsigned|193.120.116.179}}

:::::Hasbro should have just called it Leo/Lio Primal, then it would have worked for BW's naming conventions, worked with the theme of Lio Convoy's original name and sort of makes sense in english. Yeah, I know they wanted to cash in on kids buying things with 'Prime' on them. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::: Lio Convoy is a fine name as it means they can introduce the Convoy council from Japanese Beast Wars. Optimus Primal took his name as a homage, maybe he'll originally have been something Convoy as well. Sometimes names have a ring to them all on their own. I'm GLAD they're using Lio Convoy because of the sheer lack of respect directed at the Japanese material, even that their own flagship character gets bastardised by a bunch of yanks. We know Takara are no better than Hasbro. We get it now. That doesn't mean you go pissing on everything Takara-not-Hasbro is involved with just to make a point.<small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:193.120.116.179|193.120.116.179]] ([[User talk:193.120.116.179|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/193.120.116.179|contribs]]){{#if:23:31, 14 August 2007| 23:31, 14 August 2007|}}.</small>
:::::::Nobody's pissing on anything. It's more that the term "Convoy" has no real meaning outside Japanese continuity, thus introducing it to American continuity just muddies the waters with no real payoff beyond fellating fans of the Japanese continuity. As for "their own flagship character getting bastardized by a bunch of Yanks" you're aware that Optimus Prime in general bears no relation to the "character" of [[Diaclone]] Battle Convoy? Most of the characters we've come to know did not exist prior to Marvel's treatment during the development of the Transformers brand. --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 23:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: The Diaclone "characters" weren't even characters at all but piloted mechs. They were turned into something different, something decent, with some care to it. It's not the same thing as purposely setting out to strip elements of another culture from their product. It's laughable to compare creative process to doing something that's probably at least, in part, to piss off Takara fanboys.<small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:193.120.116.179|193.120.116.179]] ([[User talk:193.120.116.179|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/193.120.116.179|contribs]]){{#if:23:47, 14 August 2007| 23:47, 14 August 2007|}}.</small>
:::::::::Okay, then I'm really not sure what you're referring to here. So I'm going to fall back on my original point of "Calling things Convoy in US continuity makes no goddamned sense." In Japan, they call them Convoys. In America, they're Primes. We don't have to mimic what amounts to bad translation birthing an ''Engrish'' term. As I said, it just muddies the waters and makes the terminology even less logical. Given that this ''is'' a character with US fiction continuity which will be added to further this very month, it doesn't matter particularly what they call him in Japan other than as a note of "Japanese Name: Lio Convoy" as with other characters who have different Japanese names.

:::::::::Unless of course Furman surprises us and introduces the term "Convoy" to his Beast Wars continuity in The Ascending and the profile books. At that point, we're stuck with it. It'll be dumb, but it'll be official and I will take my lumps accordingly.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 00:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

''Lio Convoy [...] means they can introduce the Convoy council from Japanese Beast Wars''

Er... what? ...they're the Maximal Council of Elders, aren't they? Are you actually suggesting they're a separate body? The Universe comics even gave the elders robes patterned after the Convoy Council. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

This naming thing ''isn't'' part of an anti-Japan bias. (Though I admit the wiki has one.) It's about trying to figure out what the damn character's name is ''in English continuity.'' A lot of Japanese characters '''have''' different names in English vs. Japanese. This one's a bit odd since the English name is being declared/confirmed 9 or 10 years after-the-fact... but [[Ricochet (G1 Autobot)|Ricochet]] got an English name 17 years after he got a Japanese one. It happens. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, and all that mess with Nightstick has caused a major continuity headache on that point that somebody needs to clear up. Apparently, every single Targetmaster that came with Cyclonus, Scourge, Stepper and Artfire was named Nightstick at some point. Yeah. And I'd also like to note that, in spite of my desire to have this article moved, Dutch Anon is not me. And on another point, RicoStepper is a slightly different case because he's not exactly the leader of the Cybertron forces during BWII. [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 05:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Grimlock (G1)

2006-06-18T09:13:58Z

Onslaught Six: /* Beast Wars */

{{disambig3|Grimlock}}
''Grimlock is an [[Autobot]] in [[Generation 1]] and a [[Maximal]] in the [[Beast Wars]] portion of the Generation 1 continuity.''

[[Image:Grimlockg1.jpg|right|thumb|Grimlock's drawing of himself.]]

"It just isn't a proper party without Grimlock around. That guy is '''nuts.'''" {{Template:Tooltip|-Hot Rod|G.I. Joe vs. The Transformers v3 #2}}

'''Grimlock''' hates [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. Optimus Prime is weak, friendly, and compassionate. Plus Prime's an intellectual, and Grimlock hates those types too, so much that he chooses to speak very poorly. Grimlock believes a leader should show his strength by attacking quickly and mercilessly. Optimus Prime will often reconsider or hesitate on a set of actions in the fear of possible casualties, both Transformer and [[human]] -- Grimlock sees this as cowardice. If Grimlock were in charge, he maintains, the war would have been over long ago.

Some Autobots wonder why Grimlock is even on their side. His disposition is much more suited towards the [[Decepticons]]. After all, he values power and strength over wisdom and compassion, and furthermore, he doesn't get along with any of the Autobots. (Especially [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]].) It's been hypothesized that Grimlock just hates [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] more than he hates Optimus.

Grimlock is the leader of the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]]s, a small but very close team of misfits. It's been said that anyone who enters a battle with the Dinobots usually leaves it feet-first.

''French-Canadian name: '''La Menace'''

=Fiction=
===Marvel Comics Continuity===
===Animated Continuity===
'''Voice Actor:''' [[Greg Berger]] (US)

[[Image:Grimlockskywarp.jpg|right|thumb|Grimlock catches Skywarp in his jaws in "S.O.S. Dinobots."]]

When mysterious tremors shook the [[Ark|Autobot base]], [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]'s investigation revealed strange objects behind a rock wall. After removing the wall, the Autobots found a cave full of dinosaur bones. The Autobots decided the idea of dinosaurs was interesting and researched the prehistoric beasts. Wheeljack and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] asked Optimus Prime if they could build robot dinosaurs, and Prime agreed this was a good idea. Grimlock, [[Slag (G1)|Slag]], and [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] were built and unveiled to the Autobots, but the Dinobots were dimwitted and violent, and they attacked their makers. Grimlock blasted [[Teletraan-I]] with his fire-breath, damaging it. Optimus Prime decreed that the Dinobots ''must be destroyed''. However, Wheeljack convinced him instead to lock them away, and the trio were herded back into the cave and buried alive.

Later, the Decepticons took over a hydroelectric plant, but when the Autobots arrived to stop them, the Autobots were defeated and captured. Wheeljack, Ratchet, and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], left behind at Autobot base to finish repairing Teletraan-I, decided to go against Optimus' orders and release the Dinobots, but not before upgrading their brains to be smarter and more obedient. After the Dinobots are reactivated, Wheeljack asks them to save their friends. Grimlock says he will obey... this time. They successfully attack the Decepticons and free the imprisoned Autobots. Optimus forgives Wheeljack, Ratchet, and Bumblebee for disobeying his orders and welcomes the victorious Dinobots back to the Autobots.

After a meteor surging with unknown energies struck the Earth, Optimus ordered the three Dinobots to guard it. He was so pleased with the Dinobots he asked Ratchet and Wheeljack to build two more. Meanwhile, Megatron was frustrated at the Dinobots' success, and sent [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] to probe them for potential weaknesses. Reading the Dinobots' minds, he discovered that Grimlock was arrogant and believed he would make a better leader than the weak Optimus Prime. Megatron decided to use this to his advantage, and approached them himself. He played to Grimlock's jealousy and agreed with him that the strongest should be leader. The Dinobots declared Optimus Prime their enemy.

[[Image:Grimlockapologize.jpg|left|thumb|Grimlock decides Optimus Prime isn't so bad.]]

Realizing the meteorite was due to explode, Optimus left to warn the Dinobots, but they attacked him. But instead of destroying him completely, Grimlock carried him to the Decepticons, who had stolen the meteorite during the battle. Megatron was angry that Optimus Prime was not destroyed, and Starscream suggested that despite Grimlock's arrogance, inside he was still compassionate. This enraged Grimlock. They were interrupted by the two new Dinobots, [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] and [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]], whom Megatron ordered the original three Dinobots to attack. At the climax of the battle, the meteorite exploded, but Optimus Prime pushed Grimlock out of the way, saving him. Grimlock realized the error of his ways and the Dinobots forced the Decepticons into retreat. Grimlock apologized for his jealousy.

The Decepticons joined forces with [[Sub-Atlantica]] and staged a full-scale attack on [[Washington, D.C.]]. The Autobots were overwhelmed, forcing Wheeljack to call for the Dinobots' assistance. Grimlock expressed his frustration at being called whenever the Autobots were in over their heads. With their help, the Autobots were able to overturn the Decepticons' advance and plunge the city of Sub-Atlantica, burning, into the sea. This pattern of the Autobots' dependence on the Dinobots repeated when the artificial intelligence [[TORQ III]] turned machines against mankind. With every piece of help he and his troops gave, Grimlock was never slow to add a scathing remark about the inabilities of the Autobots. That said, he was not unwilling to admit the failings of his own troops, either, and willingly took them to the time-displaced "Dinobot Island," where they trained in the wilderness and helped stop a Decepticon raid on the prehistoric paradise.

The final straw for Grimlock came when he and the Dinobots were injured in a Decepticon trap at an airfield. Enraged, Grimlock refused to take orders from Optimus Prime any more, and led the Dinobots away from the Ark. When the Autobots began to suffer from Cybertonium deficiency, Spike Witwicky and his girlfriend Carly attempted to persuade the Dinobots - who continued to function perfectly, as they had been built on Earth without Cybertonium - to steal some of the mineral from a Decepticon shipment coming in from Cybertron. Grimlock instead opted to lead the Dinobots to Cybertron itself, where they were captured by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and put to work in the Cybertonium mines, until Spike and Carly rescued them. Brought back to Earth, the Dinobots agreed to follow Prime's order again - until such time as Grimlock didn't feel like it.

By the Earth year 2005, it seemed apparent that Grimlock had undergone some degree of a personality change, becoming more childish and petulant, rather than brutish and stubborn. Throughtout 2006, he regularly participated in missions with his fellow Autobots rather than the other Dinobots, battling on the planets of [[Chaar]], Goo, Dredd and Eurythma. He and [[Daniel Witwicky]] were transported to the sorcerous other-dimensional realm of Menonia, where Grimlock was duped into fighting on the side of the tyrannical [[Quintesson]], the Red Wizard, and later, he helped to sniff out the "dinosaur transform static" that implicated [[Trypticon]] in the theft of world monuments. Later in the year, when Decepticon leader [[Galvatron]] had Cybertron infused with function-inverting anti-electrons, a dose of the particles gave Grimlock super-intelligence. During a mission to [[Unicron]]'s disembodied head, where the Autobots were outmatched by the new Decepticon [[Terrorcons]], Grimlock used components of Unicron's head to construct the [[Technobots]] to battle them. Combined as Computron, the Technobots felt they could not match the Terrorcons, until Grimlock transferred his super-intelligence into Computron, reverting to his old self and allowing the Technobots to claim victory.

Grimlock's greatest victory came when he and a large number of other Transformers with animal transformations were summoned to a world at the centre of the galaxy by the ex-assistant of the ancient genius, [[Primacron]], creator of Unicron. The assistant had assembled these "Primitive" Transformers in the hope that their simple instincts could defeat Primacron's newest creation, [[Tornedron]], but one by one they fell to him, with Grimlock apparently crushed under [[Trypticon]]. Grimlock survived, however, and followed Tornedron back to Primacron's lab. When Tornedron turned on his master, like his predecessor, Primacron's complicated plans and equations could not find a way to stop him; Grimlock, on the other hand, randomly flicked a switch which reversed Tornedron's energy polarity, undoing the damage he and done and dissipating. Dancing around over his successful saving of the universe, Grimlock decimated Primacron's lab, dubbing it the smartest thing he'd ever done

===Binaltech===

===Dreamwave Continuity===

===Beast Wars===

Grimlock gets a really, really bad repaint of BW Dinobot in his name.

===Universe===

=Toys=
===Generation 1===
[[Image:Grimlockg185toy.jpg|right|thumb]]
* '''Grimlock''' (Dinobot)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''26'''
: Grimlock's toy was originally part of [[Takara]]'s ''[[Diaclone]]'' [[Dinosaur Robo]] series. When [[Hasbro]] imported the toy in 1985 for the Transformers line, the blue crotch was changed to red and the Diaclone driver mini-figure was dropped.
:The original Grimlock changes from a robot into a robotic T-Rex and comes with a sword, a gun, and a rocket launcher with three rockets.

* '''Grimlock''' (Classic Pretender)
: Released in 1989, this simplified and slightly-modified version of Grimlock transforms into a robotic T-Rex whose tail becomes a hangun. He came with a large human [[Pretender shell]] with a rather knight-like armor theme, with a helmet and large cannon.

: His human shell looks a lot like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Asner Ed Asner].

* '''Grimlock''' (Legends)
: A K-Mart [[exclusive]] in its Hasbro release, this version of Grimlock is simply the inner robot of his Classic Pretender form without the shell or its accessories, leaving him only his tail/gun. In Japan, he was only available in a boxed "Hero Set" with the other three Legends toys, but with a silver face rather than the Hasbro version's orange.

* '''Grimlock''' (Action Master)
: Part of the initial assortment of non-transforming [[Action Master]] figures, Grimlock's design combines his cartoon model with extra toy-based detaling. He came with the [[Anti-Tank Cannon]] "partner" machine which Grimlock could ride, or be unfolded to form a really ''big'' "long range mortar launcher."

===Generation 2===
* '''Grimlock''' (Dinobot)
: Grimlock's original toy was [[redeco]]ed for release in ''Generation 2'', this time lacking the missile launcher accessory. He was available in three different colors; the first --and rarest-- in his original silver (the easiest way to spot if this is a G2 or original is by the "Autobot" tampograph on his leg), then in a medium truqoise-blue, and finally (and most commonly) in a dark blue.

:''('''Note''': Grimlock outranked Optimus Prime in the G2 toyline! (Prime had a rank of 9.)''

===Beast Wars===
* '''Grimlock''' (Deluxe)
: Beast Wars Grimlock is a [[redeco]] of [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] in gray and gold with black spots, transforming into a "raptor" of some variety. His tail becomes a sword and a rotate-blade. He was slightly [[retool]]ed to have space for an "energon chip" [[rubsign]].

: This mold is also used by [[Dinobots (toyline)|Dinobots]] [[Grimlock (Dinobots)|Grimlock]], and was retooled to make [[Dinotron (BM)|Dinotron]], [[Hardhead (BW)|Hardhead]] and [[Thrustor (BW)|Thrustor]].

===Beast Machines===
:[[T-Wrecks (BM)|T-Wrecks]] may have been intended to be a new form for Grimlock, based on the references in his tech spec bio to his ''Beast Wars'' "Attack Specialist" function and other hints. However, T-Wrecks' appearances in the ''Universe: The Wreckers'' comics suggests he is a new, unrelated character.

===Alternators===
* '''Grimlock'''
: He's a Ford Mustang.

===Universe===
:The [[Grimlock (UT)|Grimlock]] toy released in ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' was originally created by Hasbro for release as a special new-mold addition for the ''Universe'' toyline and was intended to represent ''Generation 1'' Grimlock. However, it wasn't and it didn't.

=External Links=
[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Autobot/Grimlock/grimlock.htm Grimlock at TFU.info]

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Talk:Unicron

2006-06-18T07:50:07Z

Onslaught Six:

nice article [[User:24.3.227.249|24.3.227.249]] 04:58, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Unicron's a toughie. He has 30 zillion different conflicting stories and origins, but he's canonically all the same guy, and all of his appearances across the different continuities apparently happen in a sequential order. Which is a concept I love, but it's not so easy to reconcile detail-for-detail. [[User:ItsWalky]]

I have some nice pics of Unicron(inculding the battle dameged planet mode ala the Deathstar II, how do I upload them?[[User:X-BoB58]]

In the "toolbox" among the links on the left of your window is a link that says "upload file". Follow the instructions there. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Er Thanks, but I think I made the image a wee too big, is there anyway to make it a thumbnail?

We can get a better picture of Energon Unicron than that

I don't think we need so many similar pictures of Unicron in planet mode. I think the screenshot from the movie is enough, and the OTFCC Universe art is kinda pushing it. --ItsWalky

Unicron looks the exact same in the Armada comics and cartoon. One picture will do for both. X-Bob, stop pushing the image down into where there's no article yet. I put it where it is for a reason. --ItsWalky

Steve- feel free to muck with the Omega Point entry. I'm kinda considering going back and wiking the whole storyline-- it really needs some annotations. Maybe we can argue about the timeloops some more![[User:Derik]]

I feel that the Unicron trilogy (Micron trilogy in Japan) Generation section should be broken up between Dreamwave Continuity (the comics) and Animated Continuity (the TV shows.) I feel this way because a) The use of the phrase 'comics continuity' is too confusing when you have some comics liek Linkage and the Colelctor Club stuff in 'toon continuity. b) They should be by continuity, not by series because otherwise it just becoems too disjointed, and the contnections between the series are weak enough as it is. [[user:Derik]]

I agrea with Derik on this issiue [[user:X-BoB58]]

Why, int he TFU section, does it say Unicron was defeated by the Wreckers? I don't believe dhtere'd been any indications at all that Unicron had been connected to the Wreckers. (It's possible I suppose that this was an issue #4 revelation, but it was my impression that his appearances in TFU proceded from Tarantulus's machinations in Primaeval Dawn, not Wreckers.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:02, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Wreckers #4 would have told us that Cryotek's big plan was resurrecting Unicron. The Wreckers stop him before Unicron is fully restored, or blow him up and leave him half-there. That's where Universe picks up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:32, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Were the Hasbro and Takara G1 Unicron protos different toys? I was under the impression they were two test-shots of the same mold.

:They're different moulds, I think, but based off the same basic proto, maybe. Takara's is noticably fatter, and has the cord coming from it. It also appears to have an open robot mode mouth, and the "moon" accessory (or perhaps this was a planet Unicron would electronically "eat," but IIRC early Unicronian concept art shows the moon, and all the Movie toys were based off earlier concept art, thusly...) What I'm getting at is that Takara's appears to be modified for electronics while the Hasbro proto has none. [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 07:50, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

<nowiki>*spots Willis's notes about Universe #4*</nowiki> That's stupid. I mean, Primal Prime hints darkly of a great failure he had before emerging onto modern Cybertron in Qpelinq's journals. And Primaeval dawn has his fighting Tarantulas, a spawn of Unicron, who turns up in Uncron in TFU. I assuemd he failed to stop Tarry in PD and failed, thus TFU. Why is Unicron coming out of effectively nowhere in Wreckers to ruin our interesting Quint plot? And how does Tarantulas arrive? Laaame. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

== sweet ==

right on, glad my Unicron History page made this section, I've worked my hide off trying to get it together and am glad that it can help!
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Talk:Tidal Wave (Armada)

2006-06-18T07:42:37Z

Onslaught Six:

How are we going to do Shockfleet/Mirage? [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:30, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Is the (UT) tag here really necessary, or does that go on 'every' ArmadagonTron-exclusive character? >.> [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 07:42, 18 June 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Matrix of Leadership

2006-06-18T07:40:59Z

Onslaught Six: /* Amalgamation and sources */

*wide eyed*
I thought the Matrix contained the accumulated wisdom of the ages?

In the cartoons, yes. In the comics, however, it contained the essence of Primus, and as such was what allowed Prime to give life to new Transformers/destroy Unicron with it.

The Matrix of Leadership accumulated the Wisdom of the Ages by being a portal to the Allspark. When a Transformer is alive, it grows in knowledge, and when it dies, its Spark returns to the Allspark and adds its experience to the whole. --ItsWalky

So... how exactly dids it 'use up' the wisdom of the ages in Return of Optimus Priem then?
...and for that matter, how the hell did they recharge it with a nuclear power plant? ;-)

The Matrix serves many different purposes. It's a Tchotke of Ultimate Power, or - literally - a Deus-Ex-Machina.

I think it's referred to as The PowerPack in the Japanese continuity, and at this is the simplest example of it's functionality - a large battery.

It is also the Prime Matrix. It essentially contains Primus's "blueprints" for the Transformer race, which are continually reinterpreted by Vector Sigma, in association with the knowledge and sparks of those Transformers who have returned to the Allspark. (I suspect that this is why Vector Sigma occasionally requires that the Matrix be brought to it - so that it can be updated)

It is also these days, most likely home to the Creation Matrix, a program which was at one point resident in Optimus Prime (and Buster Witwicky's) head.

It is sometimes referred to as The Autobot Matrix of Leadership, though it seems like this is a mostly ceremonial thing - It is possible to lead the Autobots without it, but it's usually placed in possession of the leader for safekeeping.

Finally, it is - or has evolved into, at least in some continuities, an entity in it's own right
--ttk

== Japanese Matrix confusion. ==

-BW2 and Neo's Matrices are NOT the Matrix of Leadership. They are seperate, OTHER Matrixes. They should be listed on a pages about Matrixes, not on the MoL page, which has a rich and stories history without involving the other things.

-FIRE CONVOY DID NOT HAVE A MATRIX. yes, I know his toy was designed with one? It's his Power Filter. The producers of the CR series didnt' want to deal with matrix-shit, so they made it his Power Filter. That's why he plugs an energy cable right into it one episode while recharging.

Rid DUBBED that power filter back into beign the Matrix of Leadership. Yes, it's stupid and complicated, but that's hwo it is. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:54, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I was just about to note this. I just remembered I'd deleted this crap once before for the same reason. X-Bob, seriously, learn to spell and stop spamming this wiki with the same stuff over and over -- or otherwise manage to be useful somehow -- or you're going bye-bye. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:04, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

The Spelling complaint I can understand, but spamming? [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 12:23, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

:Perhaps I'm Wrong, but this is what I've been Told many a time by several different sources. When they were producing BWII (or perhaps when they were producing Neo--who the hell knows anymore) the Japanese Continuity Guys decided that at some point after G1, under unknown circumstances, the Matrix of Leadership was fragmented or split up and a fragment was given to each member of the Convoy Council (or only the best members, or something like that.) This is why LioConvoy and Big Convoy have Matrixes, even though they probably couldn't be 'technically' called the Matrix of Leadership, it's definitely supposed to be a fragment of it. But Anyway. Fire Convoy would also, in theory, have this in his chest (Although Fire Convoy, and indeed most of the RID-related cast, has a questionable existance 'in' the original continuity, but for the moment we'll assume that they do exist). So he plugs a cable into it in one ep. That doesn't mean much--Big Convoy used to hook his Matrix up to the Big Cannon. But yeah. Those three are definitely shards of the Matrix of Leadership. Now, whether this is worth actually mentioning or not, that's up to you. >.> [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 07:38, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

== Dreamwave Continuity ==
*I've added more info, but this probably needs more fleshing out. And if someone could find a better picture, preferably of the matrix visible through Optimus's damaged chestplate, that'd be grand. [[User:Fulcrum|Fulcrum]] 15:45, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

==Amalgamation and sources==
I haven't looked at this article in a little while, but I have some concerns with its current state. The introduction is concise, but combines several ideas about the Matrix into a single story which could mislead readers who don't realize that it is an amalgamation of many different ideas. Later in the article this becomes more clear, but the introduction needs some sort of a statement that it is making a meta-continuity/retcon-rich summary.

Additionally, I am not familiar with the factoid given in the G1 section about Prime being the seventh Matrix bearer. On what is that statement based? Does it even apply to the cartoon universe?

Both of these concerns are basically the same thing: the article needs to be precise and forthcoming about where its information comes from, and how broadly applicable that information is.

--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

:Prime being the seventh Matrix bearer 'may' be based on something Alpha Trion said at some point--or it *could* be taken from one of those third season eps where Roddy goes into the Matrix to seek the wisdom of the dead guys. But probably Trion. [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 07:40, 18 June 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>