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Omega Lock

2013-07-29T20:53:43Z

Optimal OptimusPrime: /* Prime cartoon */

{{picsneeded|Main image, toy}}
:''The Omega Lock is a piece of cosmic technology found in the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] continuity family, and in the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Prime]]'' portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].''

[[Image:Cyb_ep25_starscream_victorious.jpg|right|thumb|300px|No one's gonna lay a finger on my Butterfinger.]]
Eons ago, the [[Allspark|lifeforce]] of [[Primus]] was divided into the four [[Cyber Planet Key|Cyber Planet Keys]] and scattered across the galaxy. The '''Omega Lock''' is the device that the Keys join with to reawaken Primus's power.

==Fiction==
===''Cybertron'' cartoon===
{{stub}}

===''Prime'' cartoon ===
[[File:RegenerationOmegaLockExpanded.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
The Omega Lock was located in the [[Rust Sea]], disguised as a nondescript object in the barren wastes. When the four [[Omega Key]]s were brought to it, however, its true nature was revealed. The ground transformed and pillars rose from the ground, forming a portal. [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] described it as a link to the [[AllSpark]]. {{storylink|Regeneration (Prime)|Regeneration}}

After a standoff, the [[Decepticon]]s gained control of the Omega Keys and plugged them into the Lock, activating it. [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] used it to restore a nearby building to pristine condition before sending its power through a [[space bridge]] to [[Earth]], where it created a [[Darkmount (Earth)|huge fortress]]. With the knowledge that Megatron intended to [[Eco-structuring|cyberform]] Earth, Optimus used the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]] to destroy the Omega Lock, causing a huge explosion. {{storylink|Darkest Hour (episode)|Darkest Hour}}

Despite or perhaps because of its semi-divine nature, Optimus Prime believed that the Lock could still be repaired using the [[Forge of Solus Prime]]. Despite being mortally wounded in the Decepticon's attack on the Autobot base, he commanded [[Smokescreen (Prime)|Smokescreen]] to use whatever power remained in the Forge to repair the Lock, and through it, Cybertron. {{storylink|Prey (episode)|Prey}}

Smokescreen decided, against Optimus' intentions, to repair his fallen leader with the Forge. The upgrade, however, left the hammer powerless and thus, dooming yet another chance to revitalize Cybertron through the Omega Lock. {{storylink|Rebellion (Prime)|Rebellion}}

As Megatron still intended to rebuild Cybertron and cyberform Earth, he commanded [[Shockwave (WFC)|Shockwave]] to begin the reconstruction of the Omega Lock. The severe damage that Optimus inflicted to the Lock meant that human technology would be needed to successfully repair it. The Decepticons proceeded to engage in a series of heists to acquire the required materials, including twenty tons of nuclear control rods and a particle collider synchotron. Once they had the raw materials, the Decepticons rebuilt the Omega Lock directly on the underside of their ship. {{storylink|Minus One}} {{storylink|Persuasion}}

With the completion of Cyber-matter formula underway by Ratchet and Shockwave, Megatron commences his plan to cyber form Earth into a New Cybertron using his very own reconstructed Omega Lock he informs Soundwave to re-positioned the Nemesis warship high above Earth's atmosphere in space. {{storylink|Synthesis}}

{{spoiler|Deadlock (episode)‎‎|August 26, 2013}}
High above in space over looking Earth The Autobots engage the Decepticons in a battle to save Earth aboard the warship . Optimus and Megatron battle fiercely on the platform of the Omega Lock. Megatron manages to hold Optimus at a slight disadvantage using the Dark Star Saber. Yet Optimus does not waver and holds stead fast in keeping Megatron occupied while rest of the members of Team Prime attempt to secure the bridge and the Omega Lock controls. Bumblebee valiantly attempts to bring the Star Saber to Optimus to use to destroy the lock but Megatron prevents him by blasting him thereby killing him as he plunges lifelessly into the Omega Lock's energy field. Bumblebee's is restored with his voice and life thanks to the cyber-matter he in turn stabs Megatron right through his spark with the star saber killing him. With the Omega Lock fully secured and under the control of the Autobots they uses the warship to return to Cybertron and activate the lock directly at the center Well of All Sparks, so they can revitalize Cybertron's [[core]]. The beam of energy strikes Cybertron's core, and the planet is soon completely restored and glowing a healthy blue. {{storylink|Deadlock}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Primus''' (Supreme, 2006)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''00'''
**''Accessories:'' Chip Square, two missiles, special silver Cybertron planet-type Force Chip
:[[Primus#CybG1|Primus]] comes with a gray battery-operated Omega Lock that lights up red when inserted into any of the four Omega Lock ports. The Omega Lock is required to transform Primus.

===Cybertron===
*'''Cybertron Primus''' (Supreme, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Omega Lock, two missiles, special silver Cybertron planet-type Cyber Planet Key
:The [[Primus#Cybertron|Primus]] toy released in the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' toyline was virtually identical, so the Omega Lock was unchanged.

===Transformers 2010===
*'''Creator Primus''' (2010)
**''Accessories:'' Omega Lock, two missiles, clear Cybertron Cyber Planet Key
:This [[redeco]] of Primus now comes with a ''blue'' Omega Lock.

==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Chip Square''' (チップスクエア ''Chippu Sukuea'')

{{stub}}
[[Category:Cybertron technology]]
[[Category:Generation 1 technology]]
[[Category:MacGuffins]]
[[Category:Objects]]
[[Category:Primus]]

Omega Lock

2013-07-29T20:46:08Z

Optimal OptimusPrime: /* Prime cartoon */

{{picsneeded|Main image, toy}}
:''The Omega Lock is a piece of cosmic technology found in the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] continuity family, and in the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Prime]]'' portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].''

[[Image:Cyb_ep25_starscream_victorious.jpg|right|thumb|300px|No one's gonna lay a finger on my Butterfinger.]]
Eons ago, the [[Allspark|lifeforce]] of [[Primus]] was divided into the four [[Cyber Planet Key|Cyber Planet Keys]] and scattered across the galaxy. The '''Omega Lock''' is the device that the Keys join with to reawaken Primus's power.

==Fiction==
===''Cybertron'' cartoon===
{{stub}}

===''Prime'' cartoon ===
[[File:RegenerationOmegaLockExpanded.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
The Omega Lock was located in the [[Rust Sea]], disguised as a nondescript object in the barren wastes. When the four [[Omega Key]]s were brought to it, however, its true nature was revealed. The ground transformed and pillars rose from the ground, forming a portal. [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] described it as a link to the [[AllSpark]]. {{storylink|Regeneration (Prime)|Regeneration}}

After a standoff, the [[Decepticon]]s gained control of the Omega Keys and plugged them into the Lock, activating it. [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] used it to restore a nearby building to pristine condition before sending its power through a [[space bridge]] to [[Earth]], where it created a [[Darkmount (Earth)|huge fortress]]. With the knowledge that Megatron intended to [[Eco-structuring|cyberform]] Earth, Optimus used the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]] to destroy the Omega Lock, causing a huge explosion. {{storylink|Darkest Hour (episode)|Darkest Hour}}

Despite or perhaps because of its semi-divine nature, Optimus Prime believed that the Lock could still be repaired using the [[Forge of Solus Prime]]. Despite being mortally wounded in the Decepticon's attack on the Autobot base, he commanded [[Smokescreen (Prime)|Smokescreen]] to use whatever power remained in the Forge to repair the Lock, and through it, Cybertron. {{storylink|Prey (episode)|Prey}}

Smokescreen decided, against Optimus' intentions, to repair his fallen leader with the Forge. The upgrade, however, left the hammer powerless and thus, dooming yet another chance to revitalize Cybertron through the Omega Lock. {{storylink|Rebellion (Prime)|Rebellion}}

As Megatron still intended to rebuild Cybertron and cyberform Earth, he commanded [[Shockwave (WFC)|Shockwave]] to begin the reconstruction of the Omega Lock. The severe damage that Optimus inflicted to the Lock meant that human technology would be needed to successfully repair it. The Decepticons proceeded to engage in a series of heists to acquire the required materials, including twenty tons of nuclear control rods and a particle collider synchotron. Once they had the raw materials, the Decepticons rebuilt the Omega Lock directly on the underside of their ship. {{storylink|Minus One}} {{storylink|Persuasion}}

With the completion of Cyber-matter formula underway by Ratchet and Shockwave, Megatron commences his plan to cyber form Earth into a New Cybertron using his very own reconstructed Omega Lock he informs Soundwave to re-positioned the Nemesis warship high above Earth's atmosphere in space. {{storylink|Synthesis}}

High above in space over looking Earth The Autobots engage the Decepticons in a battle to save Earth aboard the warship . Optimus and Megatron battle fiercely on the platform of the Omega Lock. Megatron manages to hold Optimus at a slight disadvantage using the Dark Star Saber. Yet Optimus does not waver and holds stead fast in keeping Megatron occupied while rest of the members of Team Prime attempt to secure the bridge and the Omega Lock controls. Bumblebee valiantly attempts to bring the Star Saber to Optimus to use to destroy the lock but Megatron prevents him by blasting him thereby killing him as he plunges lifelessly into the Omega Lock's energy field. Bumblebee's is restored with his voice and life thanks to the cyber-matter he in turn stabs Megatron right through his spark with the star saber killing him. With the Omega Lock fully secured and under the control of the Autobots they uses the warship to return to Cybertron and activate the lock directly at the center Well of All Sparks, so they can revitalize Cybertron's [[core]]. The beam of energy strikes Cybertron's core, and the planet is soon completely restored and glowing a healthy blue. {{storylink|Deadlock}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Primus''' (Supreme, 2006)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''00'''
**''Accessories:'' Chip Square, two missiles, special silver Cybertron planet-type Force Chip
:[[Primus#CybG1|Primus]] comes with a gray battery-operated Omega Lock that lights up red when inserted into any of the four Omega Lock ports. The Omega Lock is required to transform Primus.

===Cybertron===
*'''Cybertron Primus''' (Supreme, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Omega Lock, two missiles, special silver Cybertron planet-type Cyber Planet Key
:The [[Primus#Cybertron|Primus]] toy released in the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' toyline was virtually identical, so the Omega Lock was unchanged.

===Transformers 2010===
*'''Creator Primus''' (2010)
**''Accessories:'' Omega Lock, two missiles, clear Cybertron Cyber Planet Key
:This [[redeco]] of Primus now comes with a ''blue'' Omega Lock.

==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Chip Square''' (チップスクエア ''Chippu Sukuea'')

{{stub}}
[[Category:Cybertron technology]]
[[Category:Generation 1 technology]]
[[Category:MacGuffins]]
[[Category:Objects]]
[[Category:Primus]]

Persuasion

2013-07-29T19:40:08Z

Optimal OptimusPrime: /* Continuity notes */

{{episode|
|otherseries=''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' ep 63
|prev=Minus One
|next=Synthesis
|image=Persuasion-Ratchetalone.jpg
|caption= "Now would probably be a bad time to mention that I have a phobia of cliche lighting..."
|title="Persuasion"
|airdate=[[July 12]], [[2013]]
|written by=[[Michael G. Stern]]
|directed by=[[Todd Waterman]]
|animation studio=[[Polygon Pictures]]
|production company=[[Hasbro Studios]]
}}

'''Megatron appeals to Ratchet; Optimus takes on Predaking.'''

==Synopsis==

[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] struggles to his feet after having been knocked out of the sky by [[Predaking (Prime)|Predaking]], who transforms to robot mode and lands nearby. The [[Predacon (Prime)|Predacon]] charges up his blaster, but Optimus rebounds with a flurry of punches.

Inside the Solaris building, a firefight between [[Autobot]]s and [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicon]]s is brought to a swift end by one of [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]]'s grenades. The Autobots make their way into the next room, where [[Shockwave (WFC)|Shockwave]] is overseeing the theft of the particle collider, and begin fighting the [[Decepticon]] forces there.

Outside, Optimus continues to hammer away at Predaking, temporarily keeping him on the defensive, but the Predacon lashes out with a savage kick that sends Optimus sprawling. Predaking transforms back to beast mode and is about to unleash a blast of flame at the prone Autobot when [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] contacts him over the comm, ordering him to help secure the collider. Frustrated, Predaking fires his flame into the night sky.

Inside, the Autobots finish mopping up the Vehicons as [[Ultra Magnus (WFC)|Ultra Magnus]] beats Shockwave to his knees. He offers the Decepticon a chance to surrender before Predaking bursts in, makes short work of the Autobots, and flees with Shockwave and the collider. Outside, Optimus Prime rises shakily to his feet, just in time to see Predaking [[GroundBridge]] out.

[[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]] radios [[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]] to return them to base. [[William Fowler|Fowler]], [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]], and [[Smokescreen (Prime)|Smokescreen]] are just coming to after being knocked out by [[Soundwave (WFC)|Soundwave]], and Bulkhead reports that Ratchet is gone.

Aboard the ''[[Trypticon (WFC)|Nemesis]]'', Megatron informs the captive Ratchet that he requires his assistance. Ratchet defiantly refuses to cooperate. Megatron says that cooperation isn't required, as Shockwave approaches the Autobot with a [[cortical psychic patch]].

At the Autobot base, Arcee examines the piece of [[Laserbeak (WFC)|Laserbeak]]'s wing that Smokescreen shot off while the young Autobot laments his poor aim. Ultra Magnus and Bulkhead confirm that Ratchet is nowhere on the premises, and that he didn't leave via the Autobot GroundBridge. Because there have been no ransom demands, Optimus reasons that Ratchet has something the Decepticons want.

Predaking learns that an Autobot is aboard the ship, and states that he's going to do to him what he failed to do to [[Prime (rank)|the Prime]]. Megatron explains that the captive is necessary for the restoration of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], but once that's no longer the case, he will be turned over to the Predacon.

While Fowler barks orders for increased surveillance and satellite monitoring into the phone, Wheeljack theorizes that the Decepticons took Ratchet for his [[Synthetic Energon|synthetic energon]] formula. Smokescreen asks why that would be necessary when the Decepticons already control most of the planet's [[Energon]]. Optimus remembers Ratchet's belief that Megatron is attempting to rebuild the [[Omega Lock]], and deduces that Synth En could be a necessary component. Fowler, now off the phone, relays his concern to the Autobots; if the Decepticons found Ratchet, it means they know the location of their base.

Shockwave reports that the psychic patch only confirms Ratchet has not yet stabilized the synthetic energon formula. Megatron tries a different tactic, waiting for Ratchet to revive and telling the Autobot directly that he wants to help him complete the formula. Ratchet rejects the idea outright, until Megatron reveals his intentions; that the Synth En, when combined with [[CNA]], forms the basis for an alternative [[Cyber Matter]] that can be used to restore Cybertron. Ratchet refuses to collaborate with Megatron, calling him a barbarian responsible for destroying Cybertron in the first place and crushing [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]]'s [[voice box]]. Megatron offers him a choice: the first option is to complete the formula. The second option is represented by an image of [[Jack Darby|Jack]], [[Raf Esquivel|Raf]], and [[Miko Nakadai|Miko]] displayed on [[Soundwave (WFC)|Soundwave]]'s visor. Ratchet tries to feign disinterest in the humans, but the image on Soundwave's visor changes to that of the Autobot base. Megatron tells Ratchet that if he agrees to cooperate, the humans and the Autobots will not be harmed. The Decepticons leave him to ponder the offer, and [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] asks if Megatron was being serious. Megatron says of course he wasn't, and tells Starscream to assemble his armada and destroy the Autobots' base once again.

At the base, Fowler and the Autobots are uneasy about the lack of Decepticon activity. Optimus notes that since the Cons aren't stealing Predacon bones or [[Earth]] technology anymore, there's no way to track them. Ultra Magnus suggests splitting into teams for some "old school" searching, but is interrupted by alarms signaling an incoming attack. As Starscream and a fleet of Vehicons emerge from the skies, soldiers rush to their jets to prepare a defense. Starscream commands his troops to concentrate their attack on [[Hangar E]] as the military jets open fire. Starscream evades the humans' artillery and lets loose a volley of missiles that hit Hangar E and reduce it to a fiery ruin. He reports to Megatron that the mission has been accomplished, and the Decepticons depart.

[[File:Persuation attack afterman n.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Anyone got marshmallows?]]

The Autobots watch as soldiers put out the flames amidst the rubble that used to be the mess hall, and Ultra Magnus muses that the Decepticons were fooled by a simple paint job. The actual Hangar E, now repainted to say F, is still in one piece.

Back on the ''Nemesis'', Megatron has Ratchet released to give him a tour of the ship. Ratchet's first instinct is to attack, but he finds himself reluctantly impressed by the Decepticon technology. Megatron uses the opportunity to convince him that Autobots and Decepticons share a common goal in the restoration of Cybertron. Ratchet says that bringing back Cybertron would not stop Megatron's ambitions, which the Decepticon leader doesn't deny, but at least they would have a world worth fighting over. Ratchet asks what assurance he would have that Megatron would leave Earth alone. Megatron simply replies that no assurance is being offered, confident that Ratchet's desire to restore Cybertron will overpower his reservations.

At their base, the Autobots have realized that the piece of Laserbeak which Smokescreen shot off is his transponder. Raf hooks it up to his laptop and says that it's trying to communicate with the Decepticon warship. Jack asks how Raf can understand [[Cybertronian language|Cybertronian code]], and Raf says that Ratchet used to teach him in his free time. Fowler asks if they can triangulate the signal, but Ultra Magnus reminds him it's going to a shielded ship. Arcee notes that if the transponder was still attached to Laserbeak, they could follow it. Wheeljack proposes giving it wings, and he and Raf start putting the idea into action.

Jack sees Fowler staring thoughtfully at the [[Apex Armor (Prime)|Apex Armor]] and asks if anything's wrong. Fowler admits he's been thinking of humanity's close calls at the hands of the Decepticons, and that technology like the armor could give their military agents a fighting chance even when the Autobots aren't around to protect them. He also suggests that Jack could be one of those agents himself someday, an idea he's apparently discussed with [[June Darby|Jack's mother]]. Jack isn't thrilled to hear they've been talking about him, but his protest is interrupted by the result of Raf's work: [[Chip (Prime)|Chip]], a small flying device built to house Laserbeak's transponder, which will lead them straight to the Decepticon warship.

Ratchet posits that even if the Omega Lock could be reconstructed, there's no way to scientifically replicate the device's mystical properties. Megatron says they won't know until they try, and shows Ratchet their progress: an almost-completed Omega Lock, attached to the underbelly of the ''Nemesis''. Realizing just how close they really are to being able to restore Cybertron, Ratchet agrees to complete the Synth En formula.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] (1)
*[[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] (4)
*[[Ultra Magnus (WFC)|Ultra Magnus]] (5)
*[[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]] (6)
*[[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]] (7)
*[[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] (10)
*[[Smokescreen (Prime)|Smokescreen]] (11)
*[[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]] (12)

|c2=
*[[Predaking (Prime)|Predaking]] (2)
*[[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicon]]s (3)
*[[Shockwave (WFC)|Shockwave]] (8)
*[[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] (13)
*[[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] (14)
*[[Soundwave (WFC)|Soundwave]] (15)

|c3=
*[[William Fowler]] (9)
*[[Raf Esquivel]] (16)
*[[Miko Nakadai]] (17)
*[[Jack Darby]] (18)
}}

==Quotes==
"This is no place for a one-handed Autobot." 
"I'll take one bum hand over one good eye any day."
:—'''Shockwave''' and '''Ultra Magnus''' trade politically incorrect barbs.

"Humans. Always the weak link."
:—'''Starscream''' showing that he still doesn't quite get it.

"Ratchet didn't think this new hand he built for me was good enough. But I'll tell you what truly isn't good enough: giving up."
:—Keep practicing those speeches, '''Ultra Magnus''', profundity will come someday.

'''Ratchet''': Megatron, you would just try to conquer Cybertron all over again, and enslave anyone who refuses to pledge allegiance to you. 
'''Megatron''': Of course I would!
:—Decepticon or not, '''Megatron''' has little use for guile.

'''Ratchet''': What assurance do I have that you would leave humankind be, and that you wouldn't instantly terminate me once you get what you need? 
'''Megatron''': None whatsoever. After all, we both know that as a Decepticon, any assurances I might offer would be worthless.
:—Seriously, '''Megatron''' is crazy honest about lying.

"Miko, I needed that!"
:—'''Raf''' hangs around Ratchet entirely too much.

'''Megatron''': It will not take long for this Omega Lock's drives to be fully operational. All that is still needed to restore our home is the cybermatter to launch through it. 
'''Ratchet''': Which requires a stabilized formula for the production of synthetic energon. 
'''Megatron''': I have every confidence in you, doctor. 
'''Ratchet''': I'll do it. But then you already knew that, didn't you? 
:—Ratchet makes a deal with the [[The Fallen|aptly named]] Megatron, after which one can only hope that he has [[wikipedia:The_Devil_and_Daniel_Webster|Daniel Webster]] on speed dial.

==Notes==
===Animation and technical errors===
* Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus are shown to be the same height when standing behind the hanger after the Decepticon attack. In "[[Rebellion (Prime)|Rebellion]]" and every episode since, Optimus has been depicted at least a head and shoulders taller than Ultra Magnus.

===Continuity notes===
* Megatron persuades Ratchet into completing the synthetic energon formula that he created in ''[[Stronger, Faster]]".
* Megatron tearing out Bumblebee's vocoder is again referenced, this time explicitly. It was first detailed in "[[Operation Bumblebee, Part 1]]" and the novel ''[[Transformers: Exodus]]''.
* Soundwave's picture of the children was taken way back in "[[Darkness Rising, Part 5]]".
* Starscream has previously described humans as "the weak link" in "[[Darkness Rising, Part 3]]".
* The Decepticons already destroyed [[Autobot Outpost Omega One|one Autobot base]] in "[[Darkest Hour (episode)|Darkest Hour]]".
* Miko obtained the Apex Armor in "[[Chain of Command (Prime)|Chain of Command]]".
* Fowler mentions being stuck in [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out's]] trunk with June Darby, which occurred in "[[Plus One]]".
* The Decepticons successful reconstructed the Omega Lock aboard the Nemesis spaceship underneath. The Lock was first seen in "[[Regeneration (Prime)|Regeneration]]", then in "[[Darkest Hour (episode)|Darkest Hour]]".

===Transformers references===
*"Chip" the flying drone is a reference to [[Chip Chase]].

===Real-world references===
* Fowler's dazed ramblings about there being "a man on the wing of this plane" refers to the famous ''[[Twilight Zone|The Twilight Zone]]'' episode "[[wikipedia:Nightmare_at_20,000_Feet|Nightmare at 20,000 Feet]]".

===Trivia===
* Though Predaking named himself in "[[Evolution]]", this episode marks the first instance of him giving it to the Autobots.
* Shockwave mocks Ultra Magnus's bad hand during their fight, even though he likewise only has one functional hand and a permanently affixed cannon.
* This is the first episode to lack a title sequence since "[[Darkness Rising, Part 5]]".

[[Category:Prime episodes]]

Talk:Optimus Prime (WFC)

2013-07-29T18:31:59Z

Optimal OptimusPrime: /* Optimus Prime profile photo */ new section

[[Image:PrimeBeastHunters-Optimus-Prime2.0.jpg|right|thumb]]
This disambig tag fills me with glee. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 13:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Though why people find this funny confuses me. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:22, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::I just imagine [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] saying it, it. Or would that be Optimus Prime (Prime), (Prime)? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:34, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

I guess the archivist thing is from Exodus? 'cause in the WfC game he instead mentions having been a dock worker.[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 14:44, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::When did he mention that? I honestly don't remember him saying that, but my memory is not exactly something to go on. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:06, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::It's during the in-game banter, I'd say during the second autobot chapter but could be the third. If memory serves, a teammate voices his approval of Optimus' taking matters in his own hands and acting like a leader and Optimus retorts as soon as the war's over he'll go back to working at the docks. [[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 03:47, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
: Yay, more inconsistencies! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:46, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::And I thought nothing could be more inconsistent with established continuity than AHM. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:49, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::And is it 100 percent certain the Optimus in WFC and the one in Prime will be the same guy, cause I've been tracking the news, and beyond a lot of speculation and vague suggestion, nothing seems confirmed [[Special:Contributions/148.197.8.240|148.197.8.240]] 00.01 30 Jube 2010
::::Everyone at Hasbro sure seems to think so. ''Exodus'', which is written apparently from the ''Prime'' show backstory, includes the events of WFC loosely within its second half. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:11, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::Even if they're not in the exact same universe, they're certainly in the same continuity family, so they'd get the same page. Just as Sunbow Prime and IDW Prime are both on the G1 page.[[User:Kaje|Kaje]] 19:31, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::And there are others. Well, I haven't read Exodus but based on the summary on this wiki it's more like two different stories that reach the same end point. For one, in WfC Optimus doesn't become a Prime at the beginning of the war, but after Zeta's death, mere days before the evacuation. And the Matrix is introduced in a completely different way, possibly doesnt even ''exist'' until the end of chapter 8. [[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 08:29, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Exodus tries to have it both ways. Once you get to the end of the book and Sentinel dies, Optimus gets the Matrix then, and Alpha Trion notes that Prime wasn't truly a Prime until this moment, regardless of what the council said. So he was dubbed a Prime by the council at the beginning, but it wasn't really true until just before they left Earth. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:34, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I guess it's an honorable fix, yet still doesn't mesh, mind you. In the game it's mentioned Optimus first refused to be a Prime, which is why he doesn't have the title (whether or not this landed Zeta the job is unclear since the way they word it at times I may almost think they could have several Primes at once) and the Matrix is unrelated to the Council and the Prime title they bestow.[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 08:42, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::Why don't we just change the opening to "The young bot who would become Optimus Prime" rather than have it at Optimus or Orion Pax, and wait until Prime premiers and see if it ever goes with one or the other?

In the game, it's Optimus, not Orion Pax. Does the book override the game, or vice versa?
-ThiAthEhn
: The events of the game happen within the last half of the novel, after Optimus has stopped being Orion Pax. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:52, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::The tricky bit is still that the game starts before he decides to become Optimus Prime, ie in the novel he goes from Orion Pax to Optimus Prime, while in the game he goes from Optimus to Optimus Prime.[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 12:52, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, the article's current bio doesn't take into account the WFC game at all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:59, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Hmm. The game does have a scene where Megatron and Optimus talk about something that happened between them before the game started. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:19, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

Small correction needed in Exiles section: "Blurr, Prime and Ransack." should be "Blurr, Override and Ransack." --[[User:Proximus|Proximus]] 19:08, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

== So, do we have to move WFC stuff I've written to new character articles? ==

Argh. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:48, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:Just like I predicted, yes. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 14:00, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::I'm too tired to clean this giant mess right now. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:01, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Profile Should Be Rewritten ==

The Character profile here right now is all Exodus stuff. But almost all of it is stuff that is totally different in WfC. The Character profiles are supposed to be generic and fit all version of the character. I think this one needs to be moved to the Exodus sub-section and a new more general Prime (Prime) (that's fun) profile written, Yes?--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:57, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:I agree, it's a bit too specific about the Exodus stuff considering what a big deal WFC is as a form of Prime media. I believe the reason it totally lacks WFC stuff is because Walky wrote it and apparently hasn't played WFC yet. Well, I presume on the last, anyway. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:55, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::I guess nobody cares then. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:57, 4 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I care, and I think it does need to be rewritten but I think that'll be a LOT easier to do once Prime is on TV and we have more to work with. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 07:23, 11 August 2010 (EDT)
:Exodus appears to be the official backstory of the Prime continuity, judging by the [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fd5ecd9-19b9-f369-1041-a7635be83172 official timeline]. For all the marketing hype about how WFC was totally in-continuity and everything, it appears the video game is, as video games usually are, a [[micro-continuity]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:44, 11 August 2010 (EDT)

== G1==

So Exodus is based off the prime cartoon but war for cybertron is a prequel to g1.And if you disagree hasbro themselves sayed that. {{unsigned|98.204.17.1|14:54, July 5, 2010 (EDT)}}
:Yes, it is, no it isn't, no they haven't, sign your posts, Do The Research. Thank you for your time. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:41, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
::I wouldn't jump to conclusions right now. Videogames based on franchises tend to get retconned, like what happened to the Ultimate Spider-Man video game. Also, the show has been described as a mix of Animated and Live-Action films, which the game doesn't really reflect. If we are going to reclassify characters we should use something like "Optimus Prime (WFC)" until everything gets really confirmed.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 22:19, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
THANK YOU someone gets it. "unregistered" 11:35, 6 July 2010 (EDT){{unsigned|98.204.17.1}}

For Primus' sake, it was confirmed at Comic-Con that Prime follows on from WFC. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 16:33, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

== Toy ==

The fig looks awesome with [[Octane#Universe_.282008.29|Tankor]]'s guns on his forearms! [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 14:33, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
:And this is relevant how? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:26, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

== Move ==

So yeah, I've been suggesting this for a while, and this goes for all WFC (including ''Exodus'') articles, which we're really treating as a separate franchise now we've gone with Aligned as the continuity family's name for now. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 05:02, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I disagree with moving this article, because WFC isn't really a separate franchise. It's some tie-in games that Hasbro licensed to launch their new continuity with. The related toys didn't even have their own logo, they were released as "Generations". --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:17, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:Moving it just sort of feels "wrong" to me in a way I can't properly articulate. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:58, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I disagree with moving any of these articles, for the reasons articulated by abates. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:01, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:No. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 08:09, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I don't even consider War for Cybertron to be a franchise, so no. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 08:44, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:No chance in Hades. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:49, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::Right now I can see two distinct reasons beyond "no" (this isn't a poll actually). One, WFC is no less a franchise than Power Core Combiners, and it was a game accompanied by a novel, a comic and toys. At one point ''Prime'' toys were going to be released as Generations, but it's still a Transformers franchise. Afterall, [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] was released as part of the unsubtitled range last year, but he's still a G1 character.
::Chris, I know how you feel about moving it to (WFC) as ''Prime'' is where we're really getting to know these characters, that's why we have the ''Prime'' designs as the main images. If you are for uniformity, perhaps it is time to move [[Optimus Prime (Movie)]] to "Optimus Prime (LVF)", and this to "Optimus Prime (Aligned)"?
::Regardless, I will be adding WFC Autobots and Decepticons cats to these pages. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 09:45, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::Remember "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds", or in more wiki-related terms "[[Help:Ignore all standards|in situations where the standards intended to prevent confusion would instead contribute to it, common sense should rule.]]" That's why all the Shattered Glass characters are at (SG) even though some of them are technically (Timelines).--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:12, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::"[[Optimus Prime (Prime)]]" debuted before "''Prime''" even existed. He predates ''Prime''. So I don't like "Optimus Prime (Prime)." Categorizing Aligned things by franchise might be obsolete. The toyline is no longer organized by franchise. I think "Optimus Prime (Aligned)" is the way to go. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:36, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::I lean towards Optimus Prime (Aligned) myself because it's Right, though I also think there's a good argument for keeping it Prime (Prime) because its Simpler for Users. So...?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 12:45, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::No one outside the wiki will know what "aligned" means, and we don't disambiguate by continuity family anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 13:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::I didn't realize this conversation existed, so I started [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#"(WFC)" instead of "(Prime)" for characters that originated in this franchise?|another one on the same topic over here]] and covered basically everything people have brought up. For the record, I agree entirely with what Alientraveller has said. "(WFC)" for most of these guys, "(Prime)" for the ones that originated in the cartoon, and "(Aligned)" for none of them because we disambig by franchise, not family. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:06, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::I feel if we're going to talk about moving a bunch of high-profile characters, it should probably be discussed somewhere more central like the community portal. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:43, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I believe we should keep O.P. (Prime) seperate from his WFC page. In my opinion, they are different enough to warrent seperation.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 10:34, 2 March 2011 (EST)
: That is absolutely not going to happen. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:32, 2 March 2011 (EST)
:Yeah, because nobody is allowed to change in personality over the course of '''untold millions of years'''. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:45, 2 March 2011 (EST)
::He's not talking about the personality. At least, I hope not, since they're both Stock Movie Peter Cullen Prime. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:32, 2 March 2011 (EST)
:::Well, my point about change still stands just as well in regards to appearance as it does in regards to personality. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:36, 2 March 2011 (EST)
::::Yeah, just run down the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] page and look at all the 30 million bodies he went through. Prime (Prime) just has two. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:53, 2 March 2011 (EST)

: No no no no no no no no no no nononono fucking NO. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:20, 2 March 2011 (EST)
: If Hasbro hadn't specifically said that WFC and Prime go together, you might have had a point. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:27, 2 March 2011 (EST)

I agree with Sipher.

Page is staying at (Prime) for now, as with all WFC characters who are in ''Prime'', per an agreement at the Community Portal to keep those characters at (Prime) to not confuse the normal readers. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:07, 5 March 2011 (EST)

== Animated? ==

"The instructions show the rifle being plugged in by its shorter peg, which causes it to resemble the Transformers Animated Voyager-class Optimus Prime...", how does it resemble him at all?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 16:18, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
:It's referring to the shape of the guns being similar. [[Special:Contributions/98.209.73.178|98.209.73.178]] 19:39, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
::And yet they aren't, at all. The note is removed. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:21, 25 March 2011 (EDT)

== Generations Prime stress marks ==

Should it be mentioned in the article that the panel his back wheels are attached to causes stress marks to the surrounding plastic around the hinges on the sides of his legs when the panel is flipped? I have the United and Darkside versions, and they both feature plastic hinge parts that are quite thick, meaning that the panel is tense, is difficult to flip over, and that the plastic tends to press hard onto his legs when flipped, resulting in some nasty stress marks. I'm just wondering whether anybody else has this problem. <strike>[[Special:Contributions/58.69.199.160|58.69.199.160]] 22:32, 10 November 2011 (EST)</strike> [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 21:45, 7 December 2011 (EST)

== Quick Question ==

Now that Optimus is a Decepticon, can anyone add a Decepticon insignia on the page?--[[Special:Contributions/69.19.14.39|69.19.14.39]] 17:01, 15 November 2011 (EST) P.S. I wonder if Optimus eventually will say "Tyranny is the right of all sentient beings.". The World will NEVER KNOW!
::No. That violates "Spoiler Rules." --[[User:Primo|Primo]] 23:25, 20 December 2011 (EST)
:::It has nothing to do with spoiler rules. We do not withhold information based on "spoilers". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:28, 20 December 2011 (EST)
:::: We certainly do in some cases, and in those rare cases when we do, it's at the very top of articles. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:33, 20 December 2011 (EST)

==HOF?==
Is this optimus a hall of famer?

-Yep [[User:Laserbeak's Drunk Uncle|Laserbeak's Drunk Uncle]] 15:43, 11 November 2012 (EST)Laserbeak's Drunk Uncle

==Transformation Instructions==
"Push down on his ''hood?''" He doesn't ''have'' a hood. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:53, 28 November 2011 (EST)

==Aligned?==
What evidence is there that Optimus Prime is the same guy as WFC/Prime Optimus, other than the off-the-cuff comment that Cybertron is uninhabitable? It's not like a deserted Cybertron is exclusive to the Aligned continuity family, after all. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 18:04, 18 December 2011 (EST)
: The cartoon goes to great lengths to suggest there's a larger Transformers universe that Rescue Bots is not allowed to interact with. If this cartoon were truly its own thing, with no connections to any concurrently-running television show, they wouldn't be going out of their way to bring up the war and then make up excuses for why these dudes don't get to be a part of it. That this is [[Optimus Prime (Prime)]]'s "secret second family" is the simplest answer to the question of why all this complexity for no reason.
: Plus, frankly, I bet anything Hasbro produces these days is from that Aligned bible. The only reason these guys have separate pages to begin with is that representatives at Toy Fair said these guys were from a universe with no Decepticons. Clearly, that's not the case. And if we were never told that, I would have bunched up these characters with the Prime universe.
: Remember, the Prime continuity family also includes War for Cybertron. Two out of three of Hasbro's new outlets for Transformers content (WFC, Prime cartoon) are in the Aligned continuity family. To think that the third, Rescue Bots, is not included in this group, even though the RB cartoon spends considerable time to make it possible for the three to coexist... is illogical. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:17, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:: Fair enough, but I think we should at least wait for some kind of official confirmation before doing anything too drastic. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 18:21, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::That might be a long wait. I mean, even if they stick a bit in Prime where someone walks in on Optimus having a secret phone call with Heatwave, a bunch of stuff needs to happen in Prime before they can get to that point. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:32, 18 December 2011 (EST)
::::Yeah, given how Prime is currently going, I am pretty damn sure that Rescue Bots takes place either before or during the first season. I don't think it could happen during at least the beginning of the second, or possibly beyond. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:37, 18 December 2011 (EST)
::::: Wild mass guessing time! I'd probably say it would take place during the three-year lull in Decepticon activity before Darkness Rising. This would also probably explain away the minor but equally niggling aspect of Prime's different truck mode. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 18:50, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::::: '''I don't think the visuals matter at all. Comparing WFC with Prime, for example, Hasbro feels that the visual style of any particular area within their Aligned universe can look however it wants, so long as it works for the story.''' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:58, 18 December 2011 (EST)
::::::: I know, I know, I just like to fanwank over minor details. :p [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 19:00, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:: Also, where in Aligned would RB take place? I mean, Prime seems to take place in contemporary times, whereas RB seems to be set at some time in the future... [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 18:23, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::RB takes place on an island which is specifically indicated as being a special place for experimental technology. That's another piece of evidence for RB sharing a universe with the Prime cartoon. If it didn't need to share a universe, they wouldn't have had to spend time talking about how this is a place different from everywhere else. They could have just set it in the future. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:26, 18 December 2011 (EST)
::::I think if it was in the TFP universe, Prime's priority would proooobably have any newcomer Autobots help with the war effort.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 19:01, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::::Although, at the same time, it's made clear that the Rescue Bots are not designed for fighting, and it's not like Prime to force people into the war effort. Plus, there's the fact that this may or may not take place during a time when there was no Decepticon activity anyways. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 19:18, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::::As Tom says. The war is brought up, but Optimus won't let them join. Why? Because they're the last known survivors of a rescue class of Transformer. Again, the show itself attempts frequently to explain why this RB show exists concurrently with the Prime cartoon while still making sense. It brings up all of the questions we would ask and answers them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:13, 18 December 2011 (EST)

But it said the only human that knew their secret was charlie burns it the first episode. what about Fowler? ([[Special:Contributions/184.56.19.73|184.56.19.73]] 19:43, 18 December 2011 (EST))
:If Optimus didn't tell Fowler about the Rescue Bots, he's gonna be really annoyed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:56, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:In the second episode, Optimus says, "I have found that the young of the species have been our most valuable allies." Clearly Charlie Burns was the only human to know about the Transformers... on that island. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:10, 18 December 2011 (EST)

I was going to say that this cartoon could also fit into the Movieverse.... except by the time Prime first starts his recorded broadcasts welcoming other Autobots to Earth, it's the end of Movie 1 and all of humankind already knows about TFs, meaning there's no need for secrecy for the Rescue guys. It would be very fun to merge Prime and RB, though I'm a bit concerned that that judgment might be being nudged forwards more by how much fun it is rather than how ironclad solid the evidence is. I don't think we are at our usual standard of evidence yet, but I also don't think we will ever get any more than what we've got now. The [[Galvatron II]] page includes the bio writeup for Universe Galvatron because he's potentially a toy of that character, with a disclaimer stating that he might not be as well. If these two Optimi are merged, I recommend taking the same tack: put in an intro note and/or italicize all the actions described from this medium. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:32, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:I say that let's all wait for a few more episodes to air. For example, if Bumblebee appears on the show and he justs happens to be able to talk, then it's confirmed to be an alternate universe or continuity from Transformers Prime. -- [[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 15:06, 19 December 2011 (EST)
:: His character model doesn't give him a mouth. Also, he has no voice actor. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:27, 19 December 2011 (EST)
:::But he still hasn't appeared yet so we can't know for sure. And his character model was concept art not final. Plus, what happens to all the human companions discarded in favor of the Burns?- [[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 18:26, 19 December 2011 (EST)
::It's already likely an alternate universe from Prime. The question is whether it fits into the Aligned continuity family, not the Prime continuity. I think it at least does the former. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:55, 19 December 2011 (EST)
:::I think the cartoon is pretty clearly intended to be in the same universe, with perhaps a few minor continuity hiccups. It is the toyline that appears to be in a slightly different universe from the cartoon so far. Cody is older, Charlie is younger, not a policeman, and not partnered with Chase, and the other characters have different partners. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:16, 19 December 2011 (EST)
::: Would it be too early to make a note of it on the [[Aligned timeline]] page? [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 19:18, 19 December 2011 (EST)
::: We only have some toys and 2 episodes For now. There are not enough proof to say that RB is part of Aligned Continuity or not. So can't we wait for further information? - [[User:Thunderweb|Thunderweb]] 06:49, 20 December 2011 (EST) (edited by [[User:Thunderweb|Thunderweb]] 07:08, 20 December 2011 (EST))
::::As I stated on the other talk page discussion, the burden of proof is on those who say it doesn't fit. Hasbro's said that all of their new properties going forward are working from the Aligned bible. Until something comes up that tells us this cartoon is strangely exempt from that edict, RB is by default in Aligned. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:28, 20 December 2011 (EST)
I just realized one thing that doesn't add up with this show and Prime. In Prime, the Earth's core is filled with Dark Energon/Unicron. In Rescue Bots, it's filled with lava/magma. Though, at the end of "One Shall Rise, Part 3" the Dark Energon in that volcano looked like turned (back?) into lava, so... what's the connection between Dark Energon and lava? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:51, 21 December 2011 (EST)
: Volcanic lava does not come from the Earth's core. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:57, 21 December 2011 (EST)
::Okay. Though, there's still the matter of one volcano spewing lava and another spewing Dark Energon if they're both linked to the same planetary core. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 12:16, 21 December 2011 (EST)
::: Volcanoes do not work that way. Good night. :p [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 12:18, 21 December 2011 (EST)
:::Lava obviously ''does exist'' in the Aligned universe. ''Prime'' even mentions other normal volcanic eruptions, like the one at the [[Kamchatka Peninsula]]. It's not a problem. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:20, 21 December 2011 (EST)
::::Thanks, Chris. I'm all for Rescue Bots being in Aligned. Just pointing out any things that need clearing up. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 12:27, 21 December 2011 (EST)
Something that makes me lean more towards it taking place before Prime season 1 would be Optimus Prime's altmode. In Prime, he is certainly a long-nosed truck. The Rescue Bots Optimus toy has him turn into a flat-nosed truck. If he ever eventually transforms in the Rescue Bots cartoon, here's hoping his altmode is one that doesn't interfere with the overall shape of his Prime altmode. Cuz, unless he's doing some spontaneous altmode switching, him turning into a flat-nosed truck would lean more towards Rescue Bots taking place before Prime, allowing Optimus to be two different kinds of trucks in both shows. But, if the show has him turn into a long-nosed truck, in spite of what toy turns into, then there's more leeway for the Rescue Bots cartoon to occur at either time (before or during Prime season 1). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:56, 31 December 2011 (EST)
:See the edit I bolded above. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:00, 31 December 2011 (EST)

== Robot Heroes and Prime Together? ==

Has hasbro ever said that Robot heroes and and Prime are in the same continuity and if so does that mean that the Prime cartoon and the Robot Heroes cartoon are in the same time line? Doesn't that kinda contradict each other? --[[User:Mojotron|Mojotron]]
: It's "Rescue Bots." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:15, 31 December 2011 (EST)
: 1)Same "continuity family" not necissarily same timeline (look up the difference if you don't know) and 2) No, not at all.
Crap. Don't know why I said why I said Robot Heroes. Has Hasbro ever said said they share the same continuity?
:See above. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:53, 31 December 2011 (EST)
Sure it could be in another timeline but what evidence do we have that they are in the '''SAME CONTINUITY?''' just 'cuz they both show on the Hub doesn't mean that they are the same continuity [[User:Jazzerprime]] 2:47, February 3 2011
::See above "Aligned" conversation. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 02:44, 3 February 2012 (EST)
: Kline said in a web-interview-thing that yes, they're in the same continuity, just to clear up who said it. ~[[User:Oberoniss]]

== Orion Pax, Part 1 ==

You forgot to update the article. Even though by the time you read this it might already be done. You forgot to add info on Orion Pax, Part 1 and on Rescue Bots. They both aired today. I know because I watched both of them.[[Special:Contributions/71.162.103.239|71.162.103.239]] 23:08, 18 February 2012 (EST)
:People will edit articles when they feel like it. We do not need your reminders. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:12, 18 February 2012 (EST)
::Rescue Bots is already covered too. Eesh. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:13, 18 February 2012 (EST)

Should we put a Decepticon insignia in the top right corner, seeing as "Orion" bore their insignia in "[[Orion Pax, Part 1]]"? What do you think?{{unsigned|68.147.45.66}}
:Seems logical. Silverbolt gets one because he was a member for like a half-hour in one episode. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:24, 18 February 2012 (EST)
::I was going to ask the same thing? But never mind. I just have to say that things can change fast sometimes. This is one of those times. [[Special:Contributions/71.162.103.239|71.162.103.239]] 23:27, 18 February 2012 (EST)

== Mergining the Rescue bots and Prime cartoonssection ==
Since Exiles and Exodus sections were merged to a single section named Alinged Novels, then i had an idea why not we merge the Prime and RB Cartoons section aswell?. just an idea [[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]] 23:21, 22 April 2012 (EDT) [[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]
: No. We don't know in which order events happen between the two series, even if we wanted to merge those sections. There's a huge difference between putting two consecutive novels from the same series in a section and two completely different cartoon shows in the same section. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:46, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

== BS Optimus w/ Trailer/Launcher ==
Its been out for about 3 months. --[[User:Kohu Maximus|Kohu Maximus]] 16:20, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
: And you've had the ability to update such information yourself for 5 years. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:24, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

==Latest Edits==
I updated this page for Optimus Prime with what may appear to be an essay, but is a lowdown of his personality - because it's HIS PAGE. Additionally, some of the information was getting a little out of date. Please, Its Walky, don't go about reverting it just because you think it should be short.
[[User:Harley Quinn hyenaholic|Harley Quinn hyenaholic]] 10:31, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

== Rename ==

Since he started out as Orion Pax, shouldn't the page be called that? That's usually the case.[[User:Transfan 1992|Transfan 1992]] 18:28, 21 December 2012 (EST)
:What? No, it isn't. [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] is not at Orion Pax (G1). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:44, 21 December 2012 (EST)
::Well the difference is, the G1 Optimus has several origins. In some stories, he is Orion Pax, in others he's Optronix, and in some, he's just Optimus at the beginning. With this incarnation, he's always Orion Pax. And with this whole Aligned continuity and there having to be one universe, it's unlikely this Optimus will get a contridicting backstory. I mean [[Smokescreen (Armada)]] isn't named [[Hoist (Armada)]].[[User:Transfan 1992|Transfan 1992]] 15:35, 25 December 2012 (EST)
:::He already has a contradictory backstory: His pre-Prime name is "Orion Pax" in Exodus and "Optimus" in War for Cybertron. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:21, 27 December 2012 (EST)

== Moving? ==

[[User:ArceeFanGirl|ArceeFanGirl]] 17:42, 27 December 2012 (EST)I think you should make seperate character pages for WFC characters and leave the Prime characters where they are.

It should be like this.

Optimus Prime (WFC)
Optimus Prime (Prime)
:Wait, split? Why? They're the same character. That's like saying we should split consider Sunbow cartoon Optimus Prime a separate character from Marvel comics Optimus Prime. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:10, 27 December 2012 (EST)
: That would present false information, so no. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:27, 27 December 2012 (EST)

== Optimus Prime profile photo ==

Hi I'm curious to know if your planning to upgrade Optimus profile pic from his season 1-3 look to his 2.0 look that he got in Transformers: Prime season 3 Beast Hunters "Rebellion"?--[[User:Optimal OptimusPrime|Optimal OptimusPrime]] 14:31, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
[[File:PrimeOptimus.jpg]] [[File:PrimeBeastHunters-Optimus-Prime2.0.jpg]]