MediaWiki - User contributions [en]

Talk:Skyquake (EU)

2026-05-15T09:21:50Z

Poliwag06:

I brought this up in Discord, but I'm not seeing why this is a separate article to G1 Skyquake while Blackarachnia using Animated's design goes to (BW). [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 03:21, 15 May 2026 (EDT)
:I think the logic was just him being "TFP Skyquake but G1", ala [[Knock Out (G1)|Knock Out]] and [[Breakdown (IDW)|Breakdown]]. Blackarachnia was probably because IDW repurposed it before.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 05:21, 15 May 2026 (EDT)

Talk:Skyquake (EU)

2026-05-15T09:21:37Z

Poliwag06:

I brought this up in Discord, but I'm not seeing why this is a separate article to G1 Skyquake while Blackarachnia using Animated's design goes to (BW). [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 03:21, 15 May 2026 (EDT)
I think the logic was just him being "TFP Skyquake but G1", ala [[Knock Out (G1)|Knock Out]] and [[Breakdown (IDW)|Breakdown]]. Blackarachnia was probably because IDW repurposed it before.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 05:21, 15 May 2026 (EDT)

Astrotrain (G1)/toys

2026-05-02T05:40:45Z

Poliwag06: /* Studio Series */ sources: https://www.reddit.com/r/transformers/s/1d8M5fpAQ2 https://www.reddit.com/r/transformers/s/h8iXSwAlRJ. Feel free to remove if this incident proves to be isolated. (Also had to resist sneaking in an 07 jazz joke)

{{suite}}

[[File:G1 boxart Astrotrain.jpg|upright=1.66|What's the purpose of possessing Astrotrain?|thumb]]

'''Astrotrain''' can transport all his trainload of toys around!

==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
{{anchor|Generation 1}}
[[File:G1Astrotrain toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|And then I transform into a train and a rocket and a Transformer again... (''Hasbro version shown'')]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Astrotrain''' (Triple Changer, [[1985]] / [[1986]])}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number'': '''48'''
:*''Accessories'': "[[Ionic displacer rifle]]"
{{toydesigner|[[Kōjin Ōno]] (TakaraTomy)}}

: Released in the second year of the [[The Transformers (toyline)|original US ''Transformers'' toyline]] (first in European and Japanese markets), Triple Changer Astrotrain can transform into either a {{w|JNR Class D51}} steam locomotive or a {{w|Space Shuttle orbiter}}. The train mode can roll on wide-ish toy train tracks, but it can’t turn corners very well. Astrotrain was one of the earliest ''Transformers'' toys to feature [[ball joint]]s for his shoulders, a decade before they became a design standard; the arms were initially sculpted to extend on an internal slider, and it really ''looks like'' they should still be able to if you just pull on them hard enough, but this feature was removed on the final release. He's armed with a ''freaking massive'' "ionic displacer rifle", which he has a hard time aiming when his Shuttle-mode tailfin is properly transformed into his wide chestplate.

:[[File:G1-toy Astrotrain Takara.jpg|upright=1|thumb|left|(''Initial Takara release pictured, missing the NASA stickers sadly'')]]

: Takara's 1985 release of Astrotrain had a color scheme based upon the real-life versions of the vehicles he transformed into, with a white-and-black Space Shuttle mode, and a near-wholly-black steam locomotive. This release even has completely different decal detailing, including some completely new decals with "UNITED STATES" and "[[NASA]]" printed on them! However, Takara's later 1986 release of Astrotrain was changed to the Hasbro version, presumably to better match the show.
[[File:Astrotraincatalog.jpg|thumb|upright=0.66|[[Blitzwing (G1)/toys#The Transformers|Blitzwing]] wants his weapons back.]]

: Like [[Perceptor (G1)/toys#The Transformers|several]] [[Thrust (G1)/toys#The Transformers|other]] [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#The Transformers|toys]] from the line's early years, [[Hasbro]]'s [[catalog]]s<ref name="catalogs">[http://www.botchthecrab.com/gallery.asp?gallery=10 Transformers catalogs] at Botchthecrab.com. ''Generation 1'' Astrotrain's prototypes are depicted in both the 1985 and 1986 US catalogs and in the 1985 UK catalog.</ref><ref name="tf85">[https://imgur.com/a/lOw2Y Toy Fair 1985 catalog] that depicts ''Generation 1'' Astrotrain's prototypes.</ref><ref name="origin">[http://tfsource.com/blog/origin-of-the-species-part-3/ "Origin of the Species, Part 3"] at the TFScource blog, featuring a scan from the 1985 Milton Bradley catalog that also depicts the ''Generation 1'' Astrotrain prototypes.</ref> depict [[prototype]]s of Astrotrain that differ noticeably from the final product: a gray and purple color scheme (which served as the basis for his cartoon model), the not-in-final extending arms, different feet, and a different head sculpt (that can apparently rotate at the neck!) that was also used as the basis for his [[character model]]. In the US and UK catalogs, he even had different fist sculpts, with holes in the inner-side used to hold [[Blitzwing (G1)/toys|Blitzwing]]'s weapons. In the European [[Milton Bradley]] catalog, he sported different decals compared to stickers used for the final toy. The resin hardcopy prototypes shown in these catalog photos didn't actually transform; instead, separate prototypes existed for each mode.<ref name="animeastro">[http://www.tf-1.com/articles/reissue/Animeastro_template.html Original Astrotrain prototype at TF-1.com]</ref> The [[stock photography|stock photos]] of Astrotrain on the toy's [[packaging]], on the other hand, depict the final toy's sculpt in its (mostly) final colors, even though the center of the helmet is painted yellow instead of red. The same near-final prototype was also featured in the 1985 J.C. Penney wish book.<ref name="1985wish">[http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0969/ 1985 J.C. Penney wish book] at X-Entertainment.</ref>

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Decepticon/Astrotrain/astrotrain.htm More information on Astrotrain at TFU.info]''
{{-}}{{anchor|1991Classic}}
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Astrotrain''' (Triple Changer, [[1991]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': "Ionic Displacer Rifle"

: Astrotrain was re-released with his original U.S. color scheme in the [[Classics (Europe)|European/Australian ''Classics'' series]] in 1991.

: Near as can be told, there are no notable differences between this and the original release.
{{-}}

===''The Transformers Collection''===
[[File:G1Astrotrain_japanese_toy.jpg‎|upright=1.15|thumb|]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Astrotrain''' ([[2004]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''11'''
:*''Accessories'': "[[Ionic displacer rifle|Ionic Displacer Rifle]]"
{{toydesigner|[[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] (packaging artist)}}

:In 2004, Takara reissued Astrotrain in his original Japanese white and black color scheme as part of their ''[[The Transformers Collection|Transformers Collection]]'' line of [[Generation 1 reissues|reissues]].

: This toy is mostly unchanged from the original release, different sticker designs and all; the one notable change is that the "[[NASA]]" stickers have been altered to the less potential-legal-action-inducing "ASTR".

::*''[http://www.tf-1.com/articles/reissue/Astrotrain_template.html More information on Transformers Collection Astrotrain at TF-1.com]''
{{-}}

===''Collector's Edition''===
{{anchor|Exclusive}}
[[File:Takara-collectors-edition-astrotrain-proto-colors.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|right|Don't laugh, or he'll become a pain train.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Astrotrain Proto Color Version''' (Triple Changer, 2004)}}</ul>
:*''ID number:'' '''48'''
:*''Accessories'': "Ionic Displacer Rifle"

: Often referred to as "Anime Astrotrain" by collectors, this version sports a color scheme based on the original prototype mentioned above, though the gray plastic is brighter than on the actual prototype, and the hue for the purple parts leans more towards red than blue.

: He was [[exclusive]]ly available from [[e-HOBBY]] and released as a ''[[The Transformers: Collector's Edition|Collector's Edition]]'' companion to ''The Transformers Collection'' reissue (see above). The toys shipped out in January.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Destron/Astrotrain/astrotrain.htm More information on Astrotrain Proto Color Version at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://www.tf-1.com/articles/reissue/Animeastro_template.html More information on Anime Astrotrain (and the original Astrotrain prototype) at TF-1.com]''
{{-}}

===''Commemorative Series''===
[[File:Commemorative Astrotrain 2005 2012.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Something for the variant collectors.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Astrotrain/Decepticon Astrotrain''' (Commemorative Series IX, [[2005]]/[[2012]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': "Ionic Displacer Rifle"
{{toydesigner|[[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] (packaging artist)}}

:Following the Japanese reissue, Hasbro intended to make Astrotrain (retaining his previously Japanese market-only colors) available in the United States as well as part of their ''[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]]'' line of reissues in 2004. However, [[Toys"R"Us]] (who had carried the ''Commemorative Series'' figures as exclusives) decided to discontinue the line due to low sales, and even though [[Ricochet (Headmasters)#Commemorative Series|Ricochet]], the other ''Commemorative Series IX'' figure besides Astrotrain, still managed to get released, Astrotrain was not.

:Since considerable quantities of Astrotrain had already been produced, Hasbro decided to make the figure available through their newly-launched [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] website, serving as a test to see whether exclusives were a viable option for the store. In addition, Astrotrain was also released in Australia (where the ''Commemorative Series'' had previously also been exclusive to Toys"R"Us) as a [[Kmart]] exclusive, for a deep discount price. Despite being an exclusive, he could also be found clogging up shelves in smaller, privately owned toy shops.

:In 2012, several ''Commemorative Series'' figures, among them Astrotrain, were re-released in Hasbro's Asian markets, in slightly altered packaging that (in Astrotrain's case, at least) lacked the "Commemorative Series IX" label, saw his name changed to "Decepticon Astrotrain", had the box next to his name that contains the text "Decepticon Triple Changer" reduced in size and "Triple Changer" changed from uppercase to mixed case, updated the Hasbro logo to the then-current version, added a "choking hazard" safety warning label and moved the "Ages 5+" recommendation above the product code number.
{{-}}

===''Classics''===
[[File:ClassicsAstrotrain.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|...and a rocket and a train and a Transformer and man it's hard work!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Astrotrain''' (Deluxe Class, [[2006]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Rifle
{{toydesigner|[[Eric Siebenaler]] (Hasbro), [[Takashi Kunihiro]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Don Figueroa]] (concept artist)}}

:''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' Astrotrain, like much of the ''Classics'' line, is an extensive update of the original Astrotrain design based heavily upon his cartoon appearances and using modern toy engineering techniques. He still transforms into a spaceship resembling a NASA Space Shuttle, but with two [[kibble|rather obvious]] locomotive front halves on the sides of the rear hull. Instead of a steam locomotive, his secondary [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] is a {{w|Tsubame (train)|Tsubame}} {{w|800 Series Shinkansen|800}} bullet train. His [[robot mode]] is based heavily upon his Generation 1 cartoon animation model design, and is armed with a large purple laser rifle similar to the original toy's rifle (the side of the rifle has a [[Mini-Con]] shaped port on it, if one chooses to do it). However, purple highlights aside, his deco's color scheme is predominantly based on the original Takara toy. The shuttle nosecone folding onto the legs is based on ''Jet Granbird'' from ''[[Brave (franchise)|Brave Fighter of the Sun Fighbird]]'', which was also co-designed by [[Takashi Kunihiro]].

:A design fluke that was acknowledged on Hasbro's official Transformers website allows Astrotrain to connect to ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' Ultra Class [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] or his redecos, ''Cybertron'' Sky Shadow or [[Transformers (2007 toyline)|movie toyline]] [[Jetstorm (Movie)#Transformers (2007)|Jetstorm]], via his landing gear. (Coincidentally, Jetfire's alternate mode is based on a Ukrainian Antonov An-225 Mriya, which was used to transport the Buran orbiter, the Soviet [[knockoff|counterpart]] of the NASA Space Shuttle, on its back.)

:As with most ''Classics'' toys, he has a heat-sensitive [[rubsign]].

:This mold was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Shouki#Generations|Shouki]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/ClassicsAstrotrain/astrotrain.htm More information on ''Classics'' Astrotrain at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

{{-}}{{anchor|BumblebeeAstrotrain2Pack}}
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Bumblebee and Astrotrain''' (Multi-pack, 2006)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Rifle

: Astrotrain was also made available as part of a special two-pack with Deluxe Class [[Bumblebee_(G1)/toys#BumblebeeAstrotrain2Pack|Bumblebee]]. Aside from the unique packaging, the toys are identical to their single releases. This value pack was found in Australia.
{{-}}

===''Henkei! Henkei!''===
[[File:Henkei Astrotrain toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''One man on a lonely platform One case sitting by his side Two eyes staring cold and silent 
Shows fear as he turns to hide Ah, ah, we fade to grey!'']]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Astrotrain''' (Deluxe, [[2008]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''D-03'''
:*''Release date'': [[April 24]], 2008
:*''Accessories'': Rifle

:In 2008, ''Classics'' Astrotrain was released in Japan as part of the ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei! Transformers]]'' line by [[TakaraTomy]]. The figure was extensively redecoed into a dark grey and purple colour scheme based on the character’s appearance in the Generation 1 cartoon. Instead of the Hasbro ''Classics'' release's rubsign, he has two Decepticon sigils tampographed onto his wings. All ''Henkei'' toys feature a somewhat randomly [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum-metallized]] part somewhere upon them, and Astrotrain is no exception: the trim of his chestplate and engine array are vacuumized purple, with the engines themselves left as unpainted silver chrome.
{{-}}

===''Generations''===
[[File:TF-Specialist-Decepticons-Astrotrain.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|We need to use at least one pic of this mold to give credit to the designers for not just going the lazy route and using the same nose/cockpit section for both altmodes.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Specialist: Decepticons''' (Multi-pack, [[2014]])}}</ul>
:*''Release date'': [[March 25]], 2014
:*''Accessories'': Rifle

:This release of Astrotrain looks superficially similar to the ''Henkei'' version, but saturated with metallic paint and with some deco changes, most conspicuous in train mode. It was sold as part of a Hasbro Asia-[[exclusive]] [[giftset]] along with metallic-painted redecoes of [[Galvatron (G1)/toys#Generations|Galvatron]] and [[Octane#Generations|Octane]].
{{-}}

===''Transformers'' (campaign item)===
[[File:AOE-toy Astrotrain.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Not air tsar.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Astrotrain ''' (Limited Micron, 2014)}}</ul>
:*''Release date'': [[August 8]], 2014

: Astrotrain is a [[redeco]] of ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Blast Master#Generations|Payload]] cast in clear-purple plastic, transforming from a robot into both a modified {{w|Boeing X-37|X-37B space shuttle}}<ref>[http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/96686-generations-legends-targetmaster-moulds/?p=2423893 Designer Joe Kyde on "The Allspark" messageboard, 2013/11/10]</ref> and a double-barreled blaster that can be wielded by any larger figure with [[5 mm post|5 mm ports]].

: As a [[campaign item]], this toy was available at Japanese [[Toys"R"Us]] stores starting in August 2014 (and lasting "until supplies run out") with the purchase of 3,000 yen of ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)|Lost Age]]'' product.

: Astrotrain was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as the ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' incarnation of [[Cybaxx (SG)|Cybaxx]]. The mold was also used to make ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' [[Boltax (G1)#Combiner Wars|Cybaxx]] and [[Spacewarp#Combiner Wars|Spacewarp]].
{{-}}

===''Platinum Edition''===
{{anchor|Platinum}}
[[File:Platinum-edition-g1-astrotrain.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Arson trait.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Decepticon Triple Changers''' (Platinum Edition, [[2015]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': "Ionic Displacer Rifle"

:Part of a ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' two-pack with [[Blitzwing (G1)/toys#Platinum|Blitzwing]] released under the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' line, this reissue of Astrotrain features an unprecedented orange, white, and blue color scheme. The exact inspiration for this deco is unknown, with the currently prevalent theory being that it's supposedly an homage to ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#1989 (Victory)|Victory]]'' [[Machtackle]]'s colors.

:This set was officially an [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]] exclusive in the United States and Canada. However, it was also stocked by US-based online retailers [[BigBadToyStore]] and TFSource, who supposedly obtained it as an import from Asia. It was available in several of Hasbro's Asian markets (namely Malaysia, Hong Kong, the Philippines, Singapore, and Taiwan; it's currently unknown whether it was exclusive to any particular stores there or not). In the United Kingdom, it was available via A1Toys.

:This toy was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as [[Star Dasher]] in ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]''.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Decepticon/PlatinumAstrotrain/astrotrain.htm More information on ''Platinum Edition'' Astrotrain at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===''Kre-O''===
{{anchor|SDCC2015}}
[[File:KreO-Toy AstrotrainClass85.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|As close as we'll get to an Action Master Astrotrain, at least officially.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Kreon Class of '85''' (Kreon figure set, 2015)}}</ul>
:*''Set number'' '''B5152'''
:*''Voted'': Designated Driver
:*''Accessories'': Long rifle

:''[[Kre-O]]'' Astrotrain is a small brick-built [[Kreon]] figure, using the 2015-style construction with raised hands and the sturdier "peg-in-peg" torso/waist connection (which makes his parts largely incompatible with prior years' Kreons). His coloration is based on the [[#Generation 1|original Astrotrain toy prototype pictured in catalogs]], being mostly gray with a yellow visor, though his chest [[tampograph]]'s linework has the cartoon model's folded-away tailfin-chestplate.

: He was only available as part of the [[San Diego Comic-Con]]-[[exclusive]] "[[Kreon Class of '85]]" 30-Kreon set. This set was also sold online through [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] after the show.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Decepticon/SDCCKre-OAstrotrain/astrotrain.htm More information on Class of '85 Astrotrain at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===''Titans Return''===
{{anchor|TitansReturn}}
[[File:TF-Generations-Titans-Return-Voyager-Astrotrain.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''And all this science I don't understand It's just my job five days a week
 A rocket man, a rocket man...'']]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Darkmoon & Astrotrain''' (Voyager Class, [[2016]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': 2 guns, [[Darkmoon]] Titan Master
{{toydesigner|[[John Warden]] (Hasbro)}}

: A [[retool]] of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' [[Sentinel Prime (G1)#Generations|Sentinel Prime]], Astrotrain can transform from robot to shuttle to armored train and back. He comes with [[Darkmoon]], a [[Titan Master]] figure that can transform from a robot into his head (but any [[Titan Master]]-class figure is compatible). Like all ''Titans Return'' Voyager-class figures, he has spring-loaded parts designed to "bulk up" his head; in his case, a pair of pylons that pop up on either side of his head, replicating the shoulder "landing gear" on his original Generation 1 character model. Like Sentinel, the train engine ends ''can'' be used as feet, but they sit at an awkward angle that makes it hard for Astrotrain to stand upright. His two guns can combine to form one larger weapon which Darkmoon (or any Titan Master) can operate in robot mode, The largest of the two can be piloted by any Titan Master figure in both modes. His guns also attach to form his Vehicle mode weapons. In Australia and some Asian countries, Astrotrain and his wavemate Alpha Trion were prominent shelfwarmers.

:Unfortunately, due to being used for transformation, the port for the collector display stand on his two-piece rear waist tends to be misaligned, and the hole is not shallow enough to fully secure its connection.

:The Hasbro Asia exclusive giveaway sticker sheet can be used to enhance the figure's details.<ref>https://news.tfw2005.com/2016/09/23/hasbro-asia-titans-return-stickers-wave-2-325179</ref>

:This mold also served as the model for the [[Omega Sentinel (Energon)|Omega Sentinel]] in the [[Primus Vanguard]].
{{-}}

===''Legends''===
[[File:TF-Legends-LG40-Astrotrain.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Art or satin.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Astrotrain''' ([[2017]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''LG40'''
:*''Release date'': [[January 28]], 2017
:*''Accessories'': 2 guns, Headmaster

:''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' Astrotrain is a redeco of the [[#Titans Return|''Titans Return'' mold]] in a cartoon-based deco, with the front shuttle and the train sections possessing paint operations to evoke the cockpit windows.

:The other side of his instructions features [[LG40 Astrotrain|the 40th ''Legends'' bonus edition manga]].
{{TRInfinitusMold}}
{{-}}

===''War for Cybertron: Siege''===
{{anchor|Siege}}
[[File:WFC-Siege-Leader-Astrotrain.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Rat or saint.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Astrotrain''' (Leader Class, [[2019]])}}</ul>
:*''Hasbro ID number'': '''WFC-S51'''
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SG-47'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[March 28]], [[2020]]
:*''Hidden message code'': '''IONICDISPLACER'''
:*''Accessories'': 2 "JF-50 Ionic Displacer Blasters," "JF-30 Astro Blaster," "W-15 Destabilizer Cannon," "W-40 Turbo-Core Derailer" (combine to form the "Omni-Force Orbital Cannon"), tender/launchpad

:''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' Astrotrain is a heavily-cartoon-inspired figure that transforms from robot to either a space shuttle or steam locomotive (not a modern locomotive like every toy of his since the original). Despite being released in the ''Siege'' line, his alternate modes are clearly styled after Earth vehicles. This, together with his [[A.I.R. Lock System]] compatibility, makes it seem a lot like he was designed with ''Earthrise'' in mind, and indeed his toy later received a straight rerelease in that line. He features the trademark ''Siege'' "battle damage" paint applications on his legs, as well as multiple hardpoints all over himself and his weapons to accommodate "Fire Blasts" from the [[Battle Master]]s assortment, which can be used to simulate blaster fire or explosions.

:As with other Leader Class figures in the line, Astrotrain himself is roughly Voyager-sized, with his accessories accounting for the rest of the pricepoint. In addition to five [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System]] weapons (including one based on his original toy's blaster), which can be combined to form the "Omni-Force Orbital Cannon", he includes a tender large enough to store all five weapons inside. The tender can be converted into a small launch pad base (designed as a treaded crawler vehicle with two cabs) for his shuttle mode. The launch pad features a pair of A.I.R. Lock System connectors, but unfortunately doesn't seem able to unfold flat as designed. It can also turn into a weapons rack, which can be mounted on Astrotrain's back in robot mode, with a pair of foot pads for extra stability since the backpack makes Astrotrain ''incredibly'' back-heavy.

:The toy's coloration, with mostly-grey wings rather than the purple on his final model; is seemingly based on either a [[:File:AstrotrainTakeover.jpg|pre-final character model]] that was used in the G1 cartoon episode "[[Triple Takeover]]" or [[Miscolorings based on the Generation 1 cartoon|a fan coloring]] of his pre-final model sheet that also features a cartoon screen captured-head that became popular online.

:Astrotrain was redecoed (with a new head) to ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Velocitron Speedia 500 Collection]]'' [[Galaxy Shuttle#Legacy|Victory Universe Galaxy Shuttle]].
{{-}}

===''Vintage G1''===
[[File:VintageG1Astrotrain.jpeg|thumb|upright=1|A trio rants.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Astrotrain''' (Triple Changer, 2019)}}</ul>
:*''Accessory'': "Ionic Displacer Rifle"

: Astrotrain was reissued in the ''[[Vintage|Vintage G1]]'' series, announced for Spring 2020 but unexpectedly hitting store shelves in December 2019. This was the first Astrotrain reissue to feature the color scheme of the original Hasbro-release toy—though the purple plastic is noticeably darker on this version. Plus, his [[rubsign]] uses the new style, with a highly reflective silver border and a solid-red symbol.

: Like all ''Vintage G1'' releases, Astrotrain was a [[Walmart]] [[exclusive]] in the United States and Canada.
{{-}}

===''War for Cybertron: Earthrise''===
[[File:WFC-E12 Astrotrain Packaging Stock.jpg|thumb|upright=0.9|Train, sorta.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Astrotrain''' (Leader Class, [[2020]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''WFC-E12
:*''Accessories'': 2 "JF-50 Ionic Displacer Blasters," "JF-30 Astro Blaster," "W-15 Destabilizer Cannon," "W-40 Turbo-Core Derailer" (combine to form the "Omni-Force Orbital Cannon"), tender/launchpad, decoder

:Astrotrain's [[A.I.R. Lock System]]-compatible base connectors saw him get a [[package refresh]] in the ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Earthrise]]'' line with no changes save for his box being updated. Even the flawed hinge in the coal tender was retained without any changes, preventing it from properly assuming launchpad mode.

:Like all Earthrise toys, the inside of the back of Astrotrain's package includes an exclusive clip-and-save piece of a larger star map. Also in the box is a thin red piece of transparent plastic with which to read the star map. Astrotrain's piece of the map contains the labeled location of the planet "[[Caminus (planet)|CAMINUS]]".
{{-}}

===''Dramatic Capture Series''===
[[File:TF-DCS-Astrotrain.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Titan roars.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Triple Takeover''' ([[2025]])}}</ul>
:*''Release date'': [[March]] 2025
:*''Accessories'': 3 blasters
{{toydesigner|[[Hisashi Yuki]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:Released a part of the ''[[Dramatic Capture Series]]'' line by TakaraTomy, this Astrotrain is a redeco of his ''War for Cybertron: Siege'' figure in "[[Triple Takeover]]"-accurate colors, cast in brighter and more saturated colors as well as using the nonfinal wing deco utilized for that episode. The ''Siege'' version's tender/launchpad, gatling gun, and missile pod are omitted for this release, leaving Astrotrain armed only with his ionic displacer rifle and a pair of symmetrical blasters.

:Unfortunately, repeatedly transforming Astrotrain into either of his vehicle modes will inevitably cause the paint on his toes to become scratched or chipped, as they fit ''extremely tightly'' into the divots on his shins when folded up for transformation.

:Astrotrain is packaged with [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Dramatic Capture Series|Starscream]] and [[Blitzwing (G1)/toys#Dramatic Capture Series|Blitzwing]].

{{-}}

===''Studio Series''===
[[File:TF-SS-TFTM-Leader-Astrotrain.jpg|thumb|300px|He had to jettison some weight. Just... not like that.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Astrotrain''' (Leader Class, [[2026]])}}</ul>
:*''Movie'': '''''The Transformers: The Movie'''''
:*''Accessories'': 2 blasters, 3 [[Fire Blast effect|blast effects]], 1 steam plume effect
{{toydesigner|[[Evan Brooks]] (Hasbro), [[Takio Ejima]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref>[[February 15]], [[2026]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmCVek3P2uE Every TRANSFORMERS Reveal from New York Toy Fair 2026] on YouTube, with [[Evan Brooks]], [[Mark Maher]] and [[Nate Purswell]].</ref>

:Released to celebrate the 40th anniversary of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', ''[[Studio Series]]'' Astrotrain is designed with a higher emphasis on animation accuracy and, unlike the previous [[#War for Cybertron: Siege|''Siege'' mold]], is a full-sized Leader Class figure rather than being a Voyager-ish figure with extra accessories. His deco is faithful to his final cartoon colors, with his wings being fully purple, though unfortunately the red "fins" on his abs are missing due to the part being cast in [[unpaintable plastic]]. His tailfin can be reconfigured to open on his chest like on the [[#The Transformers|original toy]], but the molded detailing resembling the toy's stickers are unpainted.

:Astrotrain transforms into his usual space shuttle and steam locomotive modes. The shuttle's proportions hew closer to that of a real shuttle, omitting the boxy locomotive-shaped kibble from his cartoon model. On the other hand, the locomotive mode is much more cartoon-accurate than prior toys. It features working coupling rods on his wheels, and the back of the locomotive can open as shown in the movie, though he has no actual interior. He can be displayed with the various [[Slug figure#War for Cybertron Trilogy|minifigures]] released during the ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' to recreate the boarding scene.

:He comes with two blasters, one based on his [[Ionic displacer rifle]] and the other on his cartoon blaster. Also included are 3 pink blast effects for use with his weapons or vehicle mode thrusters, and ''very'' long steam effect part for his funnel in his locomotive mode. His hands are articulated to allow him to hold Starscream's crown in order to recreate the coronation scene.

:Astrotrain has a [[design flaw]]: his waist is secured only by a single, ''tiny'' little pin, that barely fits into his upper torso. Care must be taken when transforming or posing, as it may split in half while doing so.

:Unfortunately, the [[stock photography]] for his robot and and locomotive modes are badly mistranformed, with his neck and chest panels clearly not being folded down properly and the back half of the train not being fully collapsed.
{{--}}

==Merchandise==
===Decoy===
*'''Astrotrain''' (Decoy, 1986)
**''Decoy number:'' '''38'''

:[[Decoy]] Astrotrain is a small, purple rubber figure made available with certain toys in the [[The Transformers (toyline)|original toyline]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Decoys/Astrotrain/astrotrain.htm More information on Decoy Astrotrain at TFU.info]''

===Boss Original Figure===
*'''Astrotrain''' (Boss Original Figure, 2008)

:Released in a line of PVC figures available exclusively with containers of [[Boss Coffee]], this version of Astrotrain is rendered in grey and violet.

===''Transformers Trading Card Game''===
[[File:W4CaptainAstrotrain.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Starring Steve Carrell. Coming soon to ''Netflix''.]]
*'''Captain Astrotrain, Space Force-Transport''' (2019)
**'''Wave 4: War for Cybertron: Siege II'''
**''Rarity: '''''CT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T01/T52'''
**''Stars: ''12

:Captain Astrotrain, Space Force-Transport is one of 52 character cards released as part of Wave 4 of the [[Transformers Trading Card Game]], War for Cybertron: Siege II. In order to depict the [[Triple Changer]] nature of the character, Captain Astrotrain, Space Force-Transport is a folding card, with both Alt Modes depicted when the card is folded in half, and Bot Mode depicted when the card is unfolded.

:The card's Bot Mode artwork is reused from the ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' Astrotrain toy, while both Alt Modes receive original artwork, with lines by [[Dan Khanna]] and colors by [[Marcus Reyno]].

:Captain Astrotrain, Space Force-Transport is notable as being the first character in the game with the <nowiki>''Train''</nowiki> trait. Due to the game's cancellation, he remains the only train in the game.
{{-}}

===''ReAction''===
*'''Astrotrain''' (2020)
**''Accessories'': Blaster

:Released in the first wave of [[Super7]]'s line of multi-property 3.75-inch "retro" action figures, ''[[ReAction]]'' Astrotrain is a non-converting 3 3/4-inch action figure based on his appearance in the original cartoon, with 5 points of articulation (swivel neck, shoulders, hips) and holes in his feet for use with some variety of stand. Unlike the first-series figures, both of his hands are open to hold his weapon accessory.

: As with all releases in the ''ReAction'' toyline, Astrotrain comes packaged on a small cardback that emulates the nostalgic packaging style of [[Kenner]]'s ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' action figures from the late 1970s to early '80s.

{{-}}

===Eaglemoss===
* '''Transformers Gen-1 Chess Set''' (<s>2021</s>)
:In the planned [[Chess#Eaglemoss|Transformers Chess Set]] by [[Eaglemoss]], a relatively large and very well detailed statue of Astrotrain was slated to be one of the Rook pieces on the Decepticon side.

:A Kickstarter campaign to raise the necessary funds for this project was launched, but failed to meet its goal by September 24, 2021 and the whole thing was canceled.
{{canceledtoy}}
{{-}}

===''Transformers Character Card''===
[[File:Transformers Character Card Broadside and Astrotrain.jpg|upright=1|thumb]]
*'''Broadside & Astrotrain Set''' ([[February 6]], [[2023]])
**''ID number:'' '''39 & 40'''

:Released as part of the sixth wave of the [[e-HOBBY]] exclusive ''[[Transformers Character Card]]'' series, this pair of holographic trading cards depict super-deformed art of [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] and Astrotrain along with [[bio|character profiles]] and [[Tech Spec|tech specs]].
::*''[[Source:Transformers Character Card#40|Translation of Astrotrain's Transformers Character Card]]''

{{-}}
===''Pop!''===
*'''Astrotrain''' (2024)
**''ID number:'' '''133'''

:Released as part of the ''Pop! Retro Toys'' segment in celebration of the 40 years of the franchise, [[Funko Pop!|Funko]]'s ''Pop!'' Astrotrain is a super deformed vinyl figure based on his original Generation 1 toy in white and purple colors.
{{-}}
===''Blokees''===
[[File:Blokees-TF-Defender-06-Astrotrain.jpg|thumb|250px|Jettisoned a bit too much weight.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Astrotrain''' (2025)}}</ul>
:*''Series:'' '''Defender Version 06 - Brutal Fang'''
:*''Pull Rate'': 1/12
:*''Accessories'': Blaster

:Sold as part of [[Blokees]]' 6th wave of Defender Version blind-boxed kits, this Astrotrain is a 2.2-inch (5.5 cm) figure, a few inches smaller than the ''Galaxy/Shining'' Version kits, but still articulated.

:Like most of the larger Galaxy/Shining Version kits, Astrotrain features a simple neck joint that is colored to match his optics, allowing it to be see-through from his head's eye holes.

{{--}}

==Notes==
*Given the timing, the Generation 1 Astrotrain was probably an asset carried over from the [[Diaclone#Posthumous Diaclone|scrapped 1985 range]] of the [[pre-Transformer]] ''[[Diaclone]]'' toyline. Evidence also suggests fellow ''Transformers'' character [[Octane#Notes|Octane]] shares this origin.

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Age of Extinction Mini-Cons]]
[[Category:Classics Decepticons]]
[[Category:Decoys]]
[[Category:E-HOBBY exclusives]]
[[Category:Generation 1 toy Decepticons]]
[[Category:Headmasters]]
[[Category:Henkei! Henkei! Decepticons]]
[[Category:Japanese promotion exclusives]]
[[Category:Kre-O Decepticons]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:Legends Decepticons]]
[[Category:Platinum Edition]]
[[Category:SDCC exclusives]]
[[Category:Studio Series Decepticons]]
[[Category:Titans Return Decepticons]]
[[Category:Toys"R"Us Japan exclusives]]
[[Category:Transformers Character Card Decepticons]]
[[Category:Triple Changers]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron: Siege Decepticons]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron: Earthrise Decepticons]]

Liege Maximo

2026-05-01T23:57:03Z

Poliwag06: /* Age of the Primes */ Sourced from ThatToyGuys video (he had it in hand, so I think this statement is fair game to put)

{{featured}}
{{factions|liegemaximo|cybEmpireG2}}
[[File:Liegemaximo.jpg|upright=2.3|thumb|Here I go again on my throne.]]
Evil is infinite, a natural counterforce to good in the universe that can never be truly defeated. None strikes greater fear into the [[sparks]] of Transformers than the horned demon, destroyer of worlds—wait, no, that's [[Unicron|his uncle]]. Still, of the [[Thirteen]] primordial deities, there is one whose planet-shaking evil was so unforgivable that—no, wait, that's [[The Fallen|his brother]].

Look, the '''Liege Maximo''' is still pretty evil, okay? Either he's the Prime of pure evil—the inevitable counterpart of the goodness embodied in [[Prima|the first Prime]], the root of [[Decepticon|all evil]], his name [[Maximal#2005 IDW continuity|reverberating through the ages]]—''ooor'' he's the Prime of lies. He's definitely at least one of those.

And what evil plans he has! [[Hot Rod (ES)|Manipulating others]] with his silver tongue, gathering [[Emberstone|artifacts]] and [[Cybertronian (faction)|allies]], biding his time, waiting for the planets to come into [[Hub (G2)|alignment]]. Boy are the Transformers in for it. Darts will be involved! You know—the [[Liegian Darts]]? The Liege Maximo's famous darts. Trust him, it's going to be epic.

==Fiction==
===Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic===
From the Liege Maximo were [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] and the [[Decepticon]]s descended. The Liege Maximo's throne sat at the [[Hub (G2)|Hub]], a network of planetoids created by the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]] that existed in the outer fringes of known space.

With the [[Liege Centuro]] [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] destroyed, Jhiaxus's fleet wiped out by [[Swarm (G2)|The Swarm]], and the [[Autobot]]s and Decepticons united in peace under one banner, [[Rook (G2)|Rook]] reported to the Liege Maximo on the day's devastating events. The Liege Maximo, an ancient and monumental titan, accepted the destruction of Jhiaxus's forces as merely a minor disruption. Sneering at the Transformers' alliance as a fragile thing, the Liege Maximo promised a day of reckoning. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!|A Rage in Heaven!}}

====Alignment====
{{note|"Alignment" was written by [[Simon Furman]] without permission of [[Hasbro]] and is included here as [[pseudocanon]] to provide insight into [[authorial intent]].}}
[[File:Alignment Liege Maximo.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|Woe, darts be upon ye]]
Liege Maximo was one of the [[Thirteen|thirteen original Transformers]] created by [[Primus]]. Unlike his fellows, he had chosen not to [[Reproduction|subdivide]] repeatedly, doing so only selectively. This created a small taint in the Transformer race which spread through subsequent generations, ultimately flowering with the rise of the Decepticons. Because of this sparse sub-division, the Liege Maximo's connection to the divine origins of the Transformer race was comparatively undiluted, and he sought to embrace it. To this end, he instructed Jhiaxus and the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]] to subject various planets to [[cyberforming|eco-structuring]]. These planets were steadily woven together to form the Hub, a massive, resonating structure that would allow him to ascend to the realm of the gods. Two Transformer groups, one led by [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] and one by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]], disrupted this process by forcing the Liege to leave his corporeal body, then destroying both it and his portal. Left with nowhere to go, the Liege Maximo's essence dissipated, and he was destroyed. {{storylink|Alignment}}

====Ask Vector Prime====
In [[Primax 490.0 Gamma]], the Maximo actually became a heroic figure: Unicron devouring Cybertron had caused Primus's essence to be scattered among the surviving Transformers, most of whom were now the Cybertronian Empire. The Liege Maximo would lead this reformed army and the survivors of Cybertron against Unicron, finally battling the Chaos Bringer himself on the astral plane. He saved this reality at the cost of his own spark. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/24}}

In [[Primax 994.0 Gamma]], the Liege Maximo's plot for ascension was foiled by the Autobots, prompting Liege Centuro [[Firecrest]] to move the remnants of the Cybertronian Empire to [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/05}}

===3H comics===
The [[Covenant (group)|Covenant]] witnessed a vision of the ancient past, in which the Liege Maximo tore the [[Matrix of Leadership]] from the defeated [[Primon]]. When and why this happened remain unanswered questions. {{storylink|Covenant (story)|Covenant}}

Centuries later, in a future timeline when Cybertron was ruled by a tyrant named [[Shokaract]], a [[Maximal]] resistance leader known simply as "the [[Swoop (G1)|Veteran]]" reminisced about other tyrants who had come and gone over the years preceding Shokaract's rule. Among these past tyrants was the Liege Maximo. {{storylink|Schism (story)|Schism}}

===''TransTech''===
The city of [[Axiom Nexus]] in the peaceful universe of [[Nexus 208.0 Epsilon]] was able to achieve unimaginable feats in technology and scientific discovery, but these were secretly possible by the amoral experiments of [[Shockwave (TransTech)|Shockwave]] and his master [[Jhiaxus (TransTech)|Jhiaxus]] under a secret government partnership with the Liege Maximo.<ref>[[Shockwave (TransTech)|Shockwave]]'s profile in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 22|''Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club'' #22]].</ref> An archivist named [[Optimus Prime (TransTech)|Optimus]] and the military professional [[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]] exposed [[Sentinel Prime (TransTech)|Sentinel Prime]]'s ties with the Liege Maximo. After a dramatic, violent battle with the Liege Maximo,<ref>[[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]]'s profile in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 24|''Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club'' #24]].</ref> much of the government was caught in this controversy, and as a result, few were left standing when the legal proceedings ended. Optimus became the new [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], and Cybertron entered a new [[Golden Age]], but it was not a complete fresh start, as Megatron convinced the [[High Senate]] to allow Shockwave to continue performing experiments under his guidance, and [[Starscream (TransTech)|Starscream]] miraculously emerged unscathed from the incident despite his heavy involvement.<ref>[[Starscream (TransTech)|Starscream]]'s profile in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 23|''Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club'' #23]].</ref> The TransTechs thereafter considered this incident to be the closest that their Cybertron had ever come to a [[Great War (disambiguation)|Great War]] as most other universal streams had. {{storylink|Rook - Axiom Nexus News: Investigative Journalist|Rook - Axiom Nexus News, 2015/05/06}}

===Aligned continuity family===
====''The Covenant of Primus''====
[[File:TFPLiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|200px|left|"Puny God".]]
Liege Maximo was the eleventh member of the [[Thirteen]] created by [[Primus]] to fight against [[Unicron#Aligned continuity family|Unicron]], and was a master manipulator whose artifact was the [[Liegian Darts]]. Maximo was one of the strategists of the Thirteen, alongside [[Alpha Trion]], [[Quintus Prime|Quintus]], and [[Micronus Prime|Micronus]].

After the defeat of Unicron, Maximo focused on the mining, storage and refining of [[energon]], but grew resentful of [[Prima]] and his allies' interference. Regardless, Maximo acted as an emissary for the different factions within the Thirteen, making use of his natural beguiling charm.

Maximo was ultimately the one who led to the group fracturing, by revealing to the rest that Prima had plotted which of the Primes were the most like Unicron. It was also around this time that it was revealed that Maximo had been experimenting with creating new robotic beasts when he requested a powerful armor suit to deal with them. Prima ordered Maximo to shut down his "[[Farm]]", and it was further revealed by Alpha Trion that Maximo had been pitting the beasts against each other.

Whether Maximo had the right to experiment with the beasts was a source of conflict between the Thirteen and was later resolved by a vote which decided that he did not have the right to do so. However, Maximo convinced [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] to try and retrieve the armor from [[Solus Prime|Solus]]—an action that inadvertently led to Solus's demise and the creation of the [[Well of All Sparks]].

Maximo was revealed have placed a monitoring device on a "pet" that he had given to Solus. When the creature tried to attack Megatronus, he reacted by blasting it—leading to Solus attacking him.

Upon being confronted at the "Farm", Maximo tried to accuse Megatronus of being the true mastermind behind the war beasts by claiming it was all part of Megatronus's need to test himself against them. When Megatronus realized that Maximo had been manipulating and using the Thirteen the whole time, and was trying to blame him, a conflict broke out that led to the Primes being set upon by three massive war beasts.

Once the conflict was over, Maximo was found torn to pieces with his head destroyed by the [[Requiem Blaster (Thirteen)|Requiem Blaster]], though no one was sure who had actually fired the fatal shot. Maximo was buried in a [[Liege Maximo's tomb|tomb]] from where his arm would eventually be taken by [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] to allow him to use the [[Forge of Solus Prime]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus}}

====Aligned novels====
[[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and the Liege Maximo disliked [[Nexus Prime]] due to his favor in the eyes of [[Solus Prime]]. After the betrayal of the Fallen and defeat of Unicron the Liege Maximo plotted against his brothers and made his own play for power. He was defeated and fled to a far galaxy. His premeditated betrayal broke the spirit of [[Vector Prime]]. In the end, he was pursued to that far galaxy by [[Maccadam|Alchemist Prime]]. Though he had no firm information, [[Alpha Trion]] believed Alchemist had succeeded in imprisoning the Liege. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

Like the other members of the [[Thirteen]], Liege Maximo was considered a myth. [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] proclaimed Transformers were free to do as they pleased, without pondering what the long-gone Liege Maximo or his [[The Fallen|treacherous brother]] would think. The [[Hub (G2)|Hub]] once became a part of the [[space bridge]] network during the Golden Age. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus|Exodus}}

====''Prime'' cartoon====
[[File:OneShallRise1-WellofAllSparks.jpg|thumb|300px|Everyone is amazed at the shiny bottomless pit.]]
According to legend, at the beginning of time, [[Unicron#Aligned continuity family|Unicron]] and [[Primus]] battled each other for eons, with neither side remaining victorious for long. Till, that is, Primus created the [[Thirteen]]. These Thirteen defeated Unicron and cast him into space. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}

Liege Maximo eventually died and was placed in a [[Liege Maximo's tomb|tomb]]. The tomb was later visited by [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] and [[Dreadwing (Prime)|Dreadwing]], who took Maximo's arm so that Megatron could use the [[Forge of Solus Prime]]. {{storylink|Alpha/Omega}}

====''Robots in Disguise'' books====
{{quote|Liege Maximo is not necessarily evil, but his petty jealousy and boredom motivate him to be a tricky troublemaker.|''[[The Trials of Optimus Prime]]''}}

After the [[AllSpark]] had been returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Liege Maximo persisted within the [[Realm of the Primes]] with several of the other [[Thirteen]]. Possessing a cape, horns, sharp darts holstered at his waist, and a cackling voice, he saw the training of [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] to ready him for battle against [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] as an opportunity to cause mischief. He began by increasing the deadliness of the holographic Decepticons that [[Micronus Prime|Micronus]] had created, giving them dangerous buzzsaws. Next, he projected an image of Optimus Prime on [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]]'s computer on Earth, laughingly teasing that the Autobots would soon be attacked by him. Later, Liege Maximo's image of Optimus Prime appeared again while the Autobots were battling the escaped Decepticon [[Skinkbomb]], and the fake Optimus called Bumblebee a fool and the Autobots stupid, and that he was going to join the Decepticons. This severely traumatized Bumblebee, which caused Liege Maximo to laugh a lot to himself because he's kind of a tool. Unfortunately, Micronus found out his plans and Bumblebee wised up to his tricks, enraging him into making Optimus Prime's training even harder. Micronus managed to take him down and Optimus dispatched to fake Bee Team, while Maximo faced punishment from his fellow Primes.
{{storylink|The Trials of Optimus Prime}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
{{first|[[The Crucible|''Robots in Disguise'' #34]] (mentioned); [[Rubicon|''Till All Are One'' #8]] (depicted)}}

[[File:OriginMyths-OnyxPrimeAndLiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|"Freedom, freedom is life's great lie. And once you accept that, in your heart... you will know peace."]]

Approximately twelve million years ago, in the primitive era following the departure of the [[Knights of Cybertron]] from their homeworld, Liege Maximo rose to become the monarch of the [[Forgotten Plains]], slaying [[Imperator Maximo]] and [[Praetus Maximo]] to consolidate his power, {{storylink|Origin Myths}} while gathering an army of bestial followers who became known as the "[[Maximal]]s". {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 5: Endless Forever|Endless Forever}}

At some point, Liege Maximo came into contact with the bestial "[[Onyx Prime]]", and formed an alliance with the so-called [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]; {{storylink|Origin Myths}} however, Liege Maximo had not yet learned the truth about his new ally: "Onyx Prime" was a convenient alias for a time-travelling [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]], who had set himself a new mission: to raise a permanent [[Decepticon Empire]] by manipulating all of Cybertron's history. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} {{storylink|Last Stand (Unicron)|Last Stand}}

Through a combination of [[shadowplay]] and manipulation Onyx molded the silver-tongued Liege Maximo into the figure that history would later remember; among Shockwave's modifications were psychic barriers akin to Shockwave's own, so that telepathic [[Outlier (group)|outliers]] could not read his mind. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}} Liege Maximo became an ally of "Onyx", even granting him control over his Maximals and granting them the ability to assume animalistic shapes to enhance Onyx's reputation as the "lord of beasts". {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 5: Endless Forever|Endless Forever}} {{storylink|Stranger Eons}}

By the time that Onyx began enacting his ultimate scheme in earnest, he had already groomed another Cybertronian into the dreaded warrior [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] to provide the primitive planet with a threat to unify against. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} In service of this plan, Onyx and Liege Maximo travelled to the village that would one day become the [[Crystal City]], fabricating a story that Liege had lost his kingdom to Megatronus and his hordes of [[Darklands|Darklander]]s. Onyx introduced him to four Primes, who were deeply unimpressed with him; despite their apprehensions, the group decided to unite, pitting their warriors, joined by the Maximals, against the marauding Darklanders. When their fighting summoned a trio of [[Titan (group)|Titans]] from beneath the surface of Cybertron, the warring factions made peace and all eight Primes agreed to join forces to govern their world. {{storylink|Origin Myths}}

In the age that followed, Liege Maximo became one of the [[Thirteen]], a coalition of Primes who jointly ruled Cybertron. {{storylink|The Crucible}} Each Prime attracted like-minded followers, and the silver-tongued Liege Maximo and his new group of devotees developed a reputation as charismatic diplomats, working to consolidate alliances between the groups. {{storylink|Heavy}} Like the other members of the Thirteen, Liege Maximo won the loyalty of a Titan; in his case, he allied with the mighty warrior [[Vigilem]]. {{storylink|Rubicon}} Unbeknownst to the other members of the Thirteen, Onyx had already turned his attention to destabilizing their alliance—just as history had foretold. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

[[File:FirstWhoWasNamed-LiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|300px|"Remember me as being a super-huge monster with a giant cannon arm!"]]
Cybertronian history would later claim that Maximo had come to realize that a helpful lie could be more useful than a harmful truth, a sentiment that would spread to his followers. {{storylink|Heavy}} How much of this change of heart was due to Onyx's influence is debatable; by the time that Liege Maximo had fully embraced this talent for manipulation, Megatronus had fallen out of favor with their leader [[Prima]] after a disastrous offworld expedition. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} Maximo formed an alliance with Onyx's other pawn, {{storylink|Heavy}} and, on Shockwave's instructions, encouraged him to launch a public coup against their leader. [[Solus Prime]] was slain, and this betrayal would ignite the conflict known as the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]], turning the Thirteen and their tribes against one another and permanently shattering their alliance. {{storylink|The Crucible}} {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} Maximo's plan failed due to one crucial detail: he had failed to take Megatronus's emotions into account, and after killing Solus Prime, his co-conspirator had fled in shame rather than destroying Prima as intended. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

[[File:Rubicon-LiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2|Liege Maximo's escaped! Recruit a team of teenagers with attitude!]]
At some point, Liege Maximo was "betrayed" by [[Micronus Prime]]. {{storylink|White Heat}} Prima, who had correctly suspected Liege Maximo's involvement in Megatronus's betrayal, was able to catch and try him for his crimes. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} His role in the killing of Solus Prime revealed, many of Liege Maximo's followers chose to turn on him. {{storylink|Heavy}} Liege was tried by his fellow Primes, and a suitable sentence was eventually decided: Liege would be imprisoned inside Vigilem, who himself had been subdued by his fellow Titans, and exiled from Cybertron forever, trapped within his lobotomized servant: {{storylink|Rubicon}} a process carried out by Onyx Prime himself. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} One group of former followers chose to become his jailers, ensuring that their charge would never escape; in repentance for following the deceitful Prime, they swore off lying forever {{storylink|Heavy}} and eventually came to regard deception as the ultimate crime. When the people of Vigilem, now "Carcer", joined the [[Council of Worlds]], {{storylink|The Will of the Few}} they chose to keep Maximo's existence a secret, fearing that his existence could sow undue strife. {{storylink|Heavy}}

For his many crimes, Liege Maximo would come to be remembered by many names in many different Cybertronian societies, including the "Great Betrayer" {{storylink|Rubicon}} and "The Prime of Lies". {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}}

Eons later, the younger [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]] sent one of his [[Regenesis]] ores to a planet associated with Liege Maximo, {{storylink|The Crucible}} though he himself was unaware of this connection thanks to the actions of this time-travelling future self. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

Liege Maximo remained imprisoned until the year [[2017]], when a crisis on Cybertron prompted a desperate [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] to reawaken Vigilem. {{storylink|Desperate Measures (Till All Are One)|Desperate Measures}} Though [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] and her crew put up a fight, the Titan set about releasing his master. Elita was able to kill the Titan, but not before he finally released Maximo, unleashing a burst of energy that knocked out everyone who had tried to stop the ancient Prime. Free once more, Maximo mocked [[Strika (BM)|Strika]] before thanking Vilgilem for his service, promising to avenge his Titan before teleporting away. {{storylink|Rubicon}}

[[File:TheChosenOne-Circuit.jpg|thumb|300px|Artist rendition by senior ''*cough*'' the news staff's senior artist.]]
As Cybertron attempted to rebuild from this crisis, Elita warned [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]] and several Council members present for the events aboard Carcer that Maximo would soon take his revenge by destroying Cybertron. Fearing that news of his return could cause panic and division amongst the people of Cybertron, Elita argued that they would need to keep the truth hidden to ensure that Cybertron would stay strong and united when he inevitably came back. By a vote of three to two, the Council opted to keep Maximo's freedom a secret for the time being, and Starscream later released [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] on the condition that she hunt down Liege Maximo and bring his head back to Starscream. {{storylink|Heavy}} Chromia was provided with a ship and a crew in the form of [[Greenlight]] and [[Lancer]] to hunt down the ancient Prime. {{storylink|The Chosen One}}

During the [[Iron Ring]]'s attack on Iacon some months later, Elita One and [[Knock Out (G1)|Knock Out]] agreed that Liege Maximo was the greater threat, one that was worth killing all humans in Iacon to focus on. {{storylink|First Strike issue 4|First Strike #4}}

[[File:OP15-LiegeChained.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2|Liege Maximo, Prime of Kinks.]]
When Windblade was due to properly retake her place on the Council of Worlds, she surveyed the damage done to Iacon and wondered if Liege Maximo would even have anything to tear down. Learning that the public was not yet aware of Liege Maximo's freedom was the final straw for her. Catching up with [[Circuit (G1)|Circuit]] and [[Longtooth]], Windblade exposed the truth about the events surrounding "Carcer" and told them of Maximo's inevitable return. The news made waves in Cybertronian society, sparking off protests against the Council's duplicity, and kindling feelings of anger, terror, and in at least one case, religious sympathy for the fallen Prime. {{storylink|The Chosen One}}

At some point, Liege Maximo came into contact with Onyx Prime again as his old ally made a course for Cybertron aboard [[Nemesis (BW)|Nemesis]]; in order to win the Council of Worlds' good graces, Onyx pretended to have taken Liege Maximo prisoner, "delivering" him to Cybertron so that he could be tried for his crimes once more. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}} Onyx brought Maximo to the [[Spire]] so that he could convince the Council that neither he nor his forces were a threat, assigning a pair of Maximals to stand guard over him. Maximo was soon visited by a suspicious [[Soundwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Soundwave]], who had his doubts about Onyx's pageantry; when he attempted to read Maximo's mind, he found that he could hear nothing thanks to Shockwave's shadowplay. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}} When Onyx detonated a bomb in the Spire to sow confusion, Maximo easily slipped his chains {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 3: The Ground|The Ground}} and rejoined Onyx—now unmasked as Shockwave—as the purple Decepticon monologued to an imprisoned [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

Shockwave then ordered Liege Maximo to take a detachment of Maximals to finish off the survivors of [[Metrotitan (G1)|Metrotitan]], whom Shockwave had shot down; despite Maximo's grumbling, he complied, and his forces wound up battling [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]]. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}} Though Arcee was able to take down dozens of Maximals, she was eventually taken prisoner by their leader, who brought her back to Nemesis on Shockwave's orders. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 5: Endless Forever|Endless Forever}}

Using supplies of Shockwave's gravity-warping [[Ore-4]], Maximo used its powers to begin levitating himself, his prisoners, and Arcee back up to the ship... only for his captive to take advantage of the weightless environment to break free and destroy the Ore-4 crystal responsible for suspending them in midair. The helpless Liege Maximo plummeted from the sky and crashed into [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]'s shoulder at terminal velocity, dashing his body to bits. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 6: Unforgivable|Unforgivable}}
{{--}}

===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
[[Ser-Ket (BWU)|Ser-Ket]] claimed to be part of a warrior lineage that stretched back to the Liege Maximo and others. {{storylink|Head Games}}

===Fun Publications===
[[File:AphroditeLiegeMaximoAVP.jpg|thumb|The original [[shellformer]].]]
Though Vector Prime would claim that history was likely correct to record Liege Maximo as a "monster", he still had many happy memories of times shared with his brother from before the falling out between the Thirteen, {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/14}} and thought of his actions more as "tragic" than evil. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/12}} He recalled his brother's skill at social gatherings, and his ability to spin incredible stories, {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/05/15}} including tales of the [[Covenant (group)|Covenant]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/10}} During the Thirteen's time in ancient Greece, Liege's female holomatter avatar—which, thanks to Liege's flair for the dramatic, first manifested by appearing out of the sea in a giant shell—inspired the myth of Aphrodite. By this time, he had formed an enmity with Solus, who manifested in Greece as the male Hephaestus, and Prima had them "bonded" together in hopes they could work through their differences. Naturally, this only resulted in further conflict; "Interesting times," Vector called them. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/08}} He also noted that legends claimed that the god [[Xal]] might merely be another name for Liege Maximo, but could say nothing with certainty. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/12}}

When the quantum membrane between the wider multiverse and the [[Uniend]] Cluster was punctured, Vector Prime began to experience memories of the Uniend incarnation of Liege Maximo, and expressed surprise at the existence of an iteration of his brother who had died before founding an empire of his own. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/14}}

As Nexus Prime brought together the [[Terminus Blade]] and the [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|Star Saber]], his fellow Thirteen including Liege Maximo were drawn to his actions. These multiversal singularities were splintered and scattered by the act, making them into repeating parallel, but variable, versions of themselves throughout the multiverse instead of the singular beings they were before. {{storylink|Out of the One, Many}}

===''Power of the Primes'' toy bios===
Liege Maximo's [[Spark]] passed into the possession of one of the twelve [[Prime Master]]s; hidden within a suit of decoy armor, they safeguarded the abilities of the Primes until the present day. By uniting with a larger Transformer, the Prime Master could channel the powers of Liege Maximo's Spark and grant them unique abilities that varied with each new partner. {{storylink|#Generations|''Power of the Primes'' Skullgrin / Liege Maximo online bio}}

{{note|For a list of every permutation of Liege Maximo's abilities, see [[Prime Master/Combinations|this link]].}}

===''Cyberverse'' cartoon===
Liege Maximo was one of the [[Thirteen]]. {{storylink|Dweller In The Depths (Cyberverse)|Dweller In The Depths}} {{storylink|Silent Strike}} {{storylink|The Other One}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
Liege Maximo was one of the Thirteen Primes. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Sea of Rust I|Sea of Rust I}} Along with the other Thirteen, he bore witness to Cybertron at the earliest stage of its development as a world. {{storylink|End of Time}}

===''One'' film===
[[File:TransformersOne-AmalgamousLiegeMaximoholograms.jpg|left|thumb|300px|I'm on the right! So they say.]]
[[File:TransformersOne-LiegeMaximocave.jpg|right|thumb|300px|I'll become green one way or another!!!!]]
Liege Maximo and the other twelve Primes were created by [[Primus]] at the dawn of Cybertron, and they ruled Cybertron benevolently through its Golden Age. When a war with the Quintessons threw the planet into a protracted, violent conflict, the Primes' secretary, [[Sentinel Prime (One)|Sentinel Prime]], herded the [[Thirteen]] into a Quintesson ambush within a remote cave. [[Quintesson Soldier]]s swarmed the cave and overwhelmed Liege Maximo, presumably killing him before Sentinel Prime could murderously betray the rest of his brethren. Fifty cycles later, Liege Maximo's corpse, frozen into a defensive position, was found in this cave by [[Optimus Prime (One)|Orion Pax]], [[Megatron (One)|D-16]], [[Elita-1 (One)|Elita-1]], and [[Bumblebee (One)|B-127]].

A vision of Liege Maximo and the other Primes later appeared as Alpha Trion declared a damaged Orion Pax to be the next wielder of the [[Matrix of Leadership]], Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Transformers One (film)|Transformers One}}
{{--}}

===Energon Universe===
After Optimus Prime found himself in the [[Hall of the Primes]], he saw a statue of Liege Maximo among the others. {{storylink|Transformers (2023) issue 22|Transformers #22}}

===''EarthSpark'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Nolan North]] (English)|[[David Krüger]] (French), [[Octavio Rojas]] (Latin American-Spanish), }}

[[File:LegacyofHope-LiegeMaximoRobbyMalto.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Evil... is infinite! But can be contained within a cape.]]

Long ago, [[Optimus Prime (ES)|Optimus Prime]] and the [[Thirteen|other Primes]] were forced to defeat and contain their brother, Liege Maximo, in a "lightless void" and remove all mention of him from Cybertronian history. Liege considered this a betrayal, and after he secretly escaped his imprisonment, he tracked down and murdered each of the other Primes one by one so he could confiscate their [[Artifacts of the Primes|thirteen powerful Artifacts]]. Intending to resume his original plan from before his defeat, just this time without the other Primes, he prepared to recreate [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] as his seat of power from which he would terraform other planets into sources of [[Energon]]. But to accomplish this, he needed Optimus Prime's [[Matrix of Leadership]] and [[Quintus Prime]]'s [[Emberstone]], the latter of which had been transformed into the [[cyber-sleeve]]s worn by the [[Earth]] children [[Robby Malto|Robby]] and [[Mo Malto]].

[[File:LegacyofHope-RequiemBlaster.jpg|right|thumb|300px|This gun isn't infinite, but is still pretty big.]]

By this point, nearly all the Transformers on Cybertron had become followers of Liege Maximo, seeing no other way to survive. This was because Liege had claimed Optimus Prime had destroyed the [[AllSpark]] which had resulted in the very planet itself leaching energy from its denizens. When [[Hot Rod (ES)|Hot Rod]], under Liege's command, learned that the Emberstone still lived on in the cyber-sleeves, Liege tasked him with retrieving the Emberstone and had him use one of Liege Maximo's own artifacts, the [[Liegian Darts]], to draw it out of the cyber-sleeves.

Unbeknownst to Liege's followers, whom he ruled over with intimidation and a strict control over their Energon supply, Liege himself had hidden the AllSpark under his base and had used one of his darts to turn it from a life-giving artifact into a life-draining one.

When the dart was eventually removed by Robby Malto and the AllSpark was returned to normal, Liege's former followers realized he had lied to them and abandoned him to be fought and eventually defeated by the Malto family and their allies. {{storylink|Legacy of Hope}}
{{--}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Forged to Fight''===
While assisting the heroic Autobots of this universe, [[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]] invoked the name of the noble and honorable Liege Maximo, wishing that his light would shine on his new comrades. {{storylink|Shattered Bridges}}

===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
;'''Liege Maximo Core'''
{{ew-char
|name=Liege Maximo Core
|image=[[File:Earth Wars Liege Maximo Core.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|center|]]
|link=[https://tfew.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4733780017183-Prime-Cores-Bot Bot Prime Cores at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki] [https://tfew.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4733786689311-Prime-Cores-Building Building Prime Cores at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]
|abilities={{ew-ability
|ability=Bot Core
|abilitydesc=Hack nearby enemy [[Transformers: Earth Wars#Defense|outpost]] Bots for a limited time. The equipped bot is immune to hacking.}}
{{ew-ability
|ability=Building Core
|abilitydesc=Hacks nearby enemies for a limited time. The equipped building is immune to hacking.}}
|date=[[February 22]], [[2018]] (Bot Core) [[December 15]], [[2022]] (Building Core)
|notes=Enemies can only be hacked once during battle.
}}

Liege Maximo's [[Prime Master#Transformers: Earth Wars|Prime Core]] (his "heart" as one of the primordial [[Thirteen|Thirteen Primes]]) fell to Earth under mysterious circumstances along with those of his siblings to become a hotly contested resource in the [[Earth Wars (conflict)|Earth Wars]]. {{storylink|Power of the Primes (Earth Wars)|Power of the Primes}}

{{chargamestub|{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}}}

===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
Liege Maximo was known as the "Prime of Lies", and supposedly helped tear the Thirteen apart. A shadowy manipulator who wielded poisonous [[Liegian Darts]], Liege Maximo relied on minions and proxies, who created mighty empires in his name. Humans sometimes knew him as {{w|Aphrodite}}. {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}}

==Toys==
===''Prime''===
[[File:Primetoy-FinalBattleMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Because it would be <s>non-aerodynamic</s> silly to mount the saber onto the back of the vehicle mode like a giant tail-fin.]]
<ul class = "iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Final Battle Megatron''' ([[February 25]], [[2013]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''AM-33'''
:''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Prime]]'' [[Megatron (WFC)/toys#Darkest|Final Battle Megatron]]'s right forearm is decoed (but sadly not remolded) to resemble Liege Maximo's forearm that he substitutes for his own in those episodes.
{{--}}

===''Power of the Primes''===
[[File:PowerOfThePrimestoy-LiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|My alt-mode is a garden tool?]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Liege Maximo''' (Prime Master, [[2018]])}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''PP-02'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': '''[[May 25]], [[2018]]'''
:*''Accessories'': [[Skullgrin#Power of the Primes|Skullgrin]] decoy armor, claw
:*''Known designers'': [[John Warden]] (Hasbro), [[Robby Musso]] (concept artist)

:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' Liege Maximo is a [[Prime Master]] with Skullgrin decoy armor, visually based on the original [[Pretender]]'s inner robot and shell.

:This toy has identical features to the other Prime Masters in the line. The decoy armor has a weapon piece which can fold out to create a weapon mode, or detach and be held in the armor's 3 mm-compatible hand. The [[Titan Master]]-like robot can store inside the decoy armor or ride [[Size class|Legends Class]] figures in vehicle mode, and is fully compatible with toys from the previous ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' line. The "Power Swap" gimmick means its [[spark]] form can plug onto any decoy armor's weapon form (which has a [[5 mm post]] to be held by larger figures), Deluxe Class figures' chest armor, Voyager Class figures' bucklers, Leader Class figures' [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Power of the Primes|Matrix]] (in place of their Matrix core), [[combiner]]s' torsos (in place of their [[Enigma of Combination#Power of the Primes|Enigma of Combination]]), or the [[Scepter of Sparks#Generations|Scepter of Sparks]]. With the power of [[you]]r imagination, this bestows the Prime Master's [[Prime Master/Combinations|unique power]] on the larger figure.

:Depending on the individual copy, the peg holes on Liege Maximo's legs varies from normal size to near-shallow, which the latter makes him somewhat prone to falling off from the decoy armor's weapon form. Unlike every other Titan Master/Prime Master, Liege Maximo and his fellow first wave Prime Masters feature backpacks/symbols secured by pins instead of screws.

:Liege Maximo/Skullgrin was retooled with a new [[Prime Master]] sigil and decoy armor front as [[The Fallen/toys#Power of the Primes|The Fallen]]/[[Bomb-Burst (G1)#Power of the Primes|Bomb-Burst]].
{{--}}

===''Age of the Primes''===
[[File:AgeofthePrimestoy-LiegeMaximo.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Evil... is infinite! Or $59.99.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-pr11|'''The Thirteen Liege Maximo''' (Leader Class, [[2026]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': back horns, 3 [[Liegian Darts|"Leigian Darts"]]{{sic}}, launcher
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro), [[Hisashi Yuki]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref>[[February 3]], [[2026]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzWSj4wlnqM Transformers Age of the Primes Deep Dive | In-Hand Look at the New Wave | February 2026] on YouTube, with [[Evan Brooks]], [[Mark Maher]], and [[Nate Purswell]].</ref>

:''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]]'' Liege Maximo was released as part of the fourth wave of Leader Class figures in the line, based primarily on his original [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|''Generation 2'' comic]] design, but with elements from his [[Aaron Archer]] concept design (see the gallery below) filling in some of the gaps (such as his shoulder pads and belt), with the rest being an original design. He transforms into a very abstract-looking spaceship, with its general shape and hull seemingly inspired by the [[Mothership]]s from ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'', if those also had giant horns. His new giant back horns come packaged separately in the box, allowing you to leave them off for a more comic-accurate appearance, or held as a giant blaster if you so desire. The same horn assembly can also plug into the back of [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Studio Series|''Studio Series'' Starscream]]'s throne, allowing Liege Maximo to sit in it and recreate his iconic first (and only) appearance in the comic. His left arm features a [[5 mm post|5 mm compatible]] flip-out cannon also based on the comic.

:Liege Maximo comes with three of his signature Liegian Darts (misspelled as "L''ei''gian Darts" in [[alphabet|Autobot text]] on his box and instructions) cast in translucent red plastic, designed to resemble the spaceships from a [[Geoff Senior]] illustration of the Liege Maximo produced for the unofficial "[[Alignment]]" story by [[Simon Furman]], as well as a non-firing launcher accessory bearing his personal insignia which the darts can plug into. The launcher is also shown plugging into his arm cannon in the instructions and can be stored on the underside of the "nose" of his warship mode.

:The horns are not attached to his head as most fans expected, instead being part of a separate section behind the head. Upon his reveal, many fans misinterpreted the small sculpted detail below Liege's nose as his lips, while the sketch in designer Mark Maher's [https://news.tfw2005.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/02/LM_002.png Instagram story] clearly shows that the painted red section with molded teeth is intended to be his jaw.

:In a rather odd design move, while most of the pointier bits on Liege Maximo are [[For safety reasons|molded in rubbery plastic]], the spikes on his legs use hard plastic.
::*''[https://www.instagram.com/p/DUl9pzSlO6o/ Designer commentary on ''Age of the Primes'' Liege Maximo from Mark Maher on Instagram]''

{{--}}

==Notes==
[[File:AOTP Liege Maximo key art.jpg|thumb|I guess we know to which [[Energon bloodline]] [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] belongs.]]
*"Liege Maximo" was likely meant to be this character's title or rank, while his proper name remained unknown, but subsequent uses of the character have treated Liege Maximo as the character's name (or, in some cases, "Liege" as his name and "Maximo" as a title in the vein of "Prime"). Jhiaxus has a similar title, [[Liege Centuro]].
*Liege Maximo, was, at one point, established as a [[multiversal singularity]] who existed as one being throughout all of time and space, but that is [[Shroud|no longer the case]].
*In November 2007, [[Simon Furman]] cryptically hinted that the Liege Maximo would make a return in 2008 in IDW's comics.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/script-wrap-15/#comment-1938|quote=Actually, I’m saving LM for something else BIG that’s happening in 08.|name=Simon Furman|site=Simon Furman: The Blog|year=2007|month=11|day=19|title=SCRIPT (W)RAP}}</ref> It didn't happen under his pen, however, and Liege Maximo wouldn't make his IDW debut until over 9 years later, in [[Rubicon|''Till All Are One'' #8]].
*Liege Maximo's "Aligned" design, by [[Eric Siebenaler]], seems to have been heavily inspired by the [[Marvel Comics]] version of {{w|Loki (comics)|Loki}}; fitting enough for a manipulator and liar. Contrary to what you might expect, this was ''not'' done as a response to the massive spike in popularity that Loki would get as portrayed by {{w|Tom Hiddleston}} in 2011's {{w|Thor (film)|''Thor''}}; his artwork was first shown at [[BotCon 2010]], prior to the film's Loki's design even being revealed—and, indeed, Aligned Liege Maximo seems to be based much more heavily on the classic "ugly old man" Loki than Hiddleston's youthful hunk.
*The dead Prime seen in the ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' episode "[[Alpha/Omega]]" is identified as Liege Maximo in ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus]]''. The concurrently published ''[[Transformers: The Art of Prime|Art of Prime]]'' claims that it is [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Sentinel Prime]], but that doesn't make sense, since Sentinel is not a true Prime and, as such, his limb would not convey the power to use the Forge on Megatron. The dead Prime's arm in ''Prime'' is red-colored, which neither Sentinel nor Maximo are; it may be due to influence from [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|the live-action Sentinel]].
*The death of Liege Maximo in the ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|Covenant of Primus]]'' is also at odds with other stories from Aligned continuity. The [[Transformers: Exiles|''Exiles'' novel]] reports that Alchemist Prime left Cybertron to hunt down and capture Liege Maximo, while the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]] and [[The Trials of Optimus Prime|related materials]] show Liege Maximo as active in the [[Realm of the Primes]]. This is one of the larger examples of Aligned continuity's "It only works if you squint" rule towards the overall timeline.
*Behind-the-scenes concept art from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Cyberverse]]'' mislabels Liege Maximo's plinth in the Realm of the Primes as "Siege Maximo". Translating the words on the plinth, however, gives the correct name.<ref>[https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/025/493/315/large/nicolaas-frankefort-prime-slabs.jpg?1585959977 Concept art of "Prime slabs"]</ref>
*In [[2023]], [[Aaron Archer]] revealed on a personal stream several concept sketches of the Thirteen he had made sometime during the 2000s, when Hasbro was still developing the full roster for what would eventually become the [[Aligned continuity family]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Really we were trying to create a representation of each of the classic Transformer forms. So as I was creating the Thirteen, some had been figured out, right? So Megatronus I think, Liege Maximo, Alpha Trion I believe were already named characters... but then I tried to figure out how to bring the concept of beasts and combiners [and the Mini-Cons] and different elements into the concept, so that you had the whole pantheon of gods, different shapes and sizes and whatnot. So I went through and I drew kind of visions of what they could be. So this is not trying to figure the character out, but get the vibe of what the character was about, other talented people would come in behind me and do that. So there's like the idea that—why did the Quintessons think that they might have made the Transformers? Well they come from the guy that was like the Johnny Appleseed, or the character that seeded some of the planets, so they were confused... try to shore up some of these ideas for the Aligned continuity, right? Here's an elemental kind of concept, gears and metal and magnetism, kind of a proto-Transformer, kind of weird thing. [...] Here's another weird version of Megatronus, how big he is compared to like what Megatron would have been.|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQLQ4VzuCGA&t=689s|name=Aaron Archer|site=''The Toy Armada''|title=Toy Armada Friday night LIVE: Creating characters and lore|year=2023|month=05|day=26}}</ref> At this stage in development, the Liege Maximo's design was heavily inspired by the original G2 comic design instead of being based on Loki. In a bizarre deep cut, this early concept design was used as the basis for the character's appearance in the ''[[Age of the Primes]]'' key art and other promotional images.
*''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)|EarthSpark]]'' Liege Maximo was designed by [[Nick Roche]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=IT ME|link=https://bsky.app/profile/nickroche.bsky.social/post/3maoucmwxxc2w|name=Nick Roche|site=Bluesky|year=2025|month=12|day=23}}</ref> One of the concept designs for his head was a much more G2-inspired look, seen in the gallery below.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Liege Maximo''' (リージマキシモ ''Rīji Makishimo'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Maximo Dàdì''' (马克西莫大帝 ''Mǎkèxīmò Dàdì'', "Maximo the Great")

==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:LiegeMaximoAaronArcherSketch.jpg|A concept sketch created by Aaron Archer in the 2000s
File:Liege Maximo-Sara Pitre Durocher-TAAO-model.jpg|2005 IDW comic continuity
File:IDW2 The Liege Maximo.jpg|2019 IDW continuity
File:One-Liege-Maximo.jpg|''One'' film
File:LiegeMaximo-earthspark-stock.jpg|''EarthSpark'' cartoon
File:Elm.jpg|''EarthSpark'' concept art
</gallery>

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{Thirteen}}

[[Category:Age of the Primes characters]]
[[Category:Beast Wars Decepticons]]
[[Category:Beast Wars: Uprising Decepticons]]
[[Category:Cybertronians]]
[[Category:Cyberverse Transformers]]
[[Category:Decepticon leaders]]
[[Category:Deep lore characters]]
[[Category:Earth Wars Transformers]]
[[Category:Energon Universe Transformers]]
[[Category:IDW (2005) Transformers]]
[[Category:IDW (2019) Transformers]]
[[Category:Marvel Generation 2 Cybertronians]]
[[Category:Marvel Generation 2 Decepticons]]
[[Category:One Transformers]]
[[Category:Prime Masters]]
[[Category:Thirteen]]
[[Category:Transformers Roleplaying Game Transformers]]
[[Category:Transcendent Technomorphs]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass Transformers]]

Blitzwing (G1)/toys

2026-04-28T07:41:33Z

Poliwag06: Didnt check where I put that notes section.

{{suite}}
[[File:G1 boxart Blitzwing.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
'''Blitzwing''' is the archetypal tank-jet [[Triple Changer]].

==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
[[File:Blitzwingg1toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Transforms from back-to-front tank to unflyable plane to feetless robot and back!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' (Triple Changer, [[1985]])}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number'': '''43'''
:*''Accessories'': "[[Gyro-blaster rifle]]", "[[electron scimitar]]", 3 "[[concussion weapon|concussion missiles]]"
{{toydesigner|[[Kōjin Ōno]] (TakaraTomy)}}

: Released in the second year of Hasbro's ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|The Transformers]]'' toyline (first year in European markets), Blitzwing is a [[redeco]] of the [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] ''[[Diaclone]]'' "Triple Changer Jet Fighter Type", and can transform into either a Soviet MiG-25 fighter jet or a Japanese Type-74 assault tank. His jet mode has spring-loaded missile launchers in the wings, but all U.S. versions had the spring-loaded missile launchers [[for safety reasons|severely weakened]], while the Japanese releases kept the full-strength launching mechanisms. The tank turret on the original Blitzwing toy can be taken off, while later releases feature a turret that cannot be removed.

: For all of those who don't know, the toy actually has horizontal stabilizers that flip out of the back of his jet mode! This seems to be a feature most owners of the toy overlook, just due to them being well-hidden in his other modes. Also, as illustrated in the [[instructions]], the tank mode’s airplane cockpit [[kibble]] is meant to be in the ''back'' of the tank.
: This mold was returned to its ''Diaclone'' coloration and re-released in 2005 as [[Overcharge (G1)#Toys|Overcharge]], an [[e-HOBBY]] exclusive—which can also double as Blitzwing's original form in the [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] (see [[#Collector's Edition|below]]).
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Decepticon/Blitzwing/blitzwing.htm More information on Blitzwing at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===''The Transformers Collection''===
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' ([[2005]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''17'''
:*''Accessories'': "Gyro-blaster rifle", "electron scimitar", 3 "concussion missiles"

:Blitzwing was reissued as part of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s ''[[The Transformers Collection]]'' series. Despite being included in the instruction manual, the [[rubsign]] was nowhere to be found on this version. The tank turret cannot be removed on this release.
{{--}}

===''Collector's Edition''===
[[File:G1-toy Overcharge.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Overcharge''' (Triple Changer Terrorbot, 2005)}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''72'''
:*''Accessories'': "Heat rifle", "null gladius" sword, 3 missiles
{{note|This figure also [[repurposing|doubles]] as Blitzwing's original form before defecting from the [[Quintesson]]s in the ''[[Transformers Legends (comic)|Legends]]'' [[#Legends|Blitzwing]] [[LG59 Blitzwing|pack-in comic]].}}

: ''[[The Transformers: Collector's Edition|Collector's Edition]]'' [[Overcharge (G1)#Toys|Overcharge]] is an [[e-HOBBY]] exclusive [[redeco]] of the [[Blitzwing (G1)/toys#Toys|original Blitzwing toy]], using the coloration of the pre-''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Transformers]]'' "Triple Changer Jet Machine Type" ''[[Diaclone]]'' toy. It transforms from robot mode to a Mitsubishi Type 74 tank or a MiG-25 fighter jet. In jet mode, it features two spring-loaded [[missile]] launchers, one within each wing assembly. And because Japan has different [[for safety reasons|safety standards]] for projectile launchers, these are fully functional and launch them tiny things a pretty good distance.

: Overcharge came with an extra decal sheet with multiple faction logos (including several totally new ones) so it could be assigned to different armies: [[Autobot]], [[Decepticon]], [[Quintesson]]/Terrorbot, "Ancient", [[Earth Defense Command|EDC]], and "[[Herald of Unicron|Unicron's Herald]]" (using the [[Blentron]] sigil in yellow).

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Destron/Overcharge/overcharge.htm More information on Overcharge at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===''Generations''===
[[File:Generationstoy-Voyager Blitzwing.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Ich bin wieder da! Und wo ist der verfluchte [[Warpath (G1)#Toys|Bolschewist?!]] ''(Hasbro Version Pictured)'']]
[[File:TakaraTomy-Generations-TG22-Blitzwing.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Mit der Geschwindigkeit eines Kampfjets und der Stärke eines Panzers! ''(TakaraTomy Version Pictured)'']]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' (Voyager, [[2013]])}}</ul>
:*''Series / Number'': '''02 / 002'''
:*''Takara ID number'': '''TG22'''
:*''Accessories'': Rifle, scimitar, [[missile]]
{{toydesigner|[[Joe Kyde]] (Hasbro)}}

: Part of the third wave of [[2012]]-[[2013]]'s ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' Voyager Class toys, ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' Blitzwing is a modern reinterpretation of his original toy, and transforms into two vaguely futuristic vehicles: a jet with an opening cockpit and back-mounted rocket boosters, as well as a tank with a rotating turret and a spring-loaded cannon that launches its missile when the barrel is compressed. The cannon can be swung out and deployed for use in jet mode. He comes with a blaster and a sword, both of which mount/are held by [[5 mm post]]. He features 5 mm ports for his hands, shoulders/vehicle sides, cannon base, and wings, while both weapons have numerous additional posts and ports.

:In a nod to his ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' [[Blitzwing (Animated)|incarnation]], he sports a face-swapping feature, allowing him to switch between a more traditional, visored face, a monocled face (inspired by the ''Animated'' character's 'Icy' persona), and a black jack-o'-lantern-like face (inspired by the ''Animated'' character's 'Random' persona). Unlike his inspiration however, the toy's faces spin vertically rather than horizontally.

:The toy is renowned for two significant [[design flaw]]s. The first is that tabs meant to anchor the robot shoulders to the chest never solidly lock into place—they are simply too far apart. This makes his shoulder assemblies swing up and out of his chest when the shoulders are rotated up. Pressing the shoulder slots into the chest tabs ''sometimes'' works to counter this, but it depends on the [[Quality control|tolerances]] of each individual figure. The problem can be completely eliminated with a little work:
:#For those not wishing to modify the toy itself, spacing material can be affixed to the back of the shoulder piece. This creates support in the back and allows the front tabs to remain in place.
:#Alternately, one can disassemble the figure and lightly sand the screw mounts and inside chest walls on the front half, bringing the back of the figure and the front closer together, and allowing the shoulder assemblies to lock in completely solid as originally intended. This has the potential risk of over-sanding, which prevents the legs from clipping securely to his chest for his vehicle modes.
:The second major flaw concerns the face-swapping feature; almost universally, this does not actually end up working because the rotating faces are rendered immobile by an excess of paint on the inside of the helmet, including the post the faces are mounted on. This can be fixed by dismantling the head, removing the faces, and trimming the excess paint in the helmet interior, or in some circumstances, by leaving the toy in a freezer until the inner-helmet paint becomes brittle enough to crack by exerting pressure on the faces, allowing the faces to move as designed. Unfortunately, the yellow paint is also prone to rubbing off when transformed due the rubber used to create the jet mode's nosecone.

:There are two [[variant]]s of Blitzwing: The first version sports an all-silver Decepticon [[insignia]] on its chest and has the missile inserted into the turret inside the packaging, no extra space for the missile in the plastic tray behind the turret and no holes cut for tying down the missile, while a later running change changed the Decepticon insignia's color to purple, with a silver outline, and has the missile tied down in the plastic tray behind the turret.<ref name="genvari1">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/944880-variant-generations-blitzwing.html TFW2005 thread] about ''Generations'' Blitzwing's Decepticon insignia variant.</ref><ref name="genvari2">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/897354-generation-blitzwing-packaging-bubble-variant-fyi.html TFW2005 thread] about ''Generations'' Blitzwing's missile-placement-inside-the-packaging variant.</ref> Oddly, the official Hasbro [[stock photography|stock photo]] of the toy inside its packaging depicts the later version.

:The Japanese release sports a more metallic gold paint application as opposed to the lemon yellow gloss of his helmet, additional purple paint on his thighs and shoulders, dark metallic gray paint within his cockpit, and additional silver paint on his torso. The neck of the figure is now painted black rather than yellow to better blend in with the lower portion of his three faces. Some of the silver detailing on his torso was changed to gold. The figure also features a lighter, more metallic purple, lighter tan, and silver paint on all his gray plastic. The rubberized nose cone's colors are now more in sync with the entire body's purple. The scimitar weapon is molded in a solid purple plastic as opposed to the Hasbro version's "blade" being painted in a lighter hue to simulate an "energon" effect. The same design flaws that plagued the Hasbro release were also carried over in the Tomy version with the exception of the face switching gimmick issue.

:Blitzwing was [[retool]]ed into ''Generations'' [[Doubledealer#Generations|Doubledealer]] and ''[[Transformers Cloud|Cloud]]'' [[Starscream (Cloud)#Cloud 2|Starscream]], neither of which fixed the mold's shoulder problem. The design of the figure also inspired the look of [[Flywheels#2005 IDW continuity|Flywheels]] in the 2005 IDW continuity.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/GenBlitzwing/blitzwing.htm More information on ''Generations'' Blitzwing at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===''Construct-Bots''===
[[File:Construct-bots-blitzwing.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Wishes he had a face-changing gimmick.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' (Triple-Changer, 2013)}}</ul>
{{toydesigner|[[Andrew Scribner]] (deco artist)}}

: Part of Wave 1 of ''[[Construct-Bots]]'' Triple-Changers, Blitzwing can transform into something that vaguely resembles a jet and something that vaguely resembles a tank. He is armed with a projectile launching main cannon, a set of non-firing Gatling guns and a blaster. His face was retooled into [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#Construct-Bots|Ironhide]]'s.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/CBBlitzwing/blitzwing.htm More information on Blitzwing at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===''Bot Shots''===
[[File:BotShots 3pack Blitzwing.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Scourge / Sergeant Kup / Blitzwing''' (Multi-pack, 2013)}}</ul>
:*''Series'': '''2'''
:*''Number'': '''Super Bot 007'''
:**''Fist strength'': '''181'''
:**''Blaster strength'': '''845'''
:**''Sword strength'': '''594'''

:Part of the second wave of ''[[Bot Shots (toyline)|Bot Shots]]'' Series 2 three-packs, Blitzwing is a [[redeco]] of Series 1 [[Brawl (Movie)#Bot Shots|Decepticon Brawl]] in transparent purple, transforming into a tank with a [[Autotransformation|spring-loaded automatic transformation]] to robot mode triggered when the front is pressed. He has a "spinner" in his chest that shows his three attack types and power levels. As a Super Bot, he has more lopsided strength ratings.

: He comes with [[Scourge (Cybertron)#Scourge3Pack|Spin Shot Scourge]] and [[Kup (G1)/toys#Bot Shots|Spin Shot Sergeant Kup]]. He shares parts with Series 1 [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Bot Shots|Megatron]] and Series 1 [[Shockwave (Movie)#Bot Shots|Shockwave]].

:The second wave of Series 2 three-packs didn't reach mass retail in the United States, only showing up in discount stores like Ross.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/BSBlitzwing/blitzwing.htm More information on ''Bot Shots'' Blitzwing at TFU.info]''

===''Kre-O''===
{{anchor|SDCC2015}}{{picsneeded}}
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Kreon Class of '85''' (Kreon figure set, 2015)}}</ul>
:*''Set number'': '''B5152'''
:*''Voted'': Class Jock
:*''Accessories'': Scoped pistol, curved blade

: ''[[Kre-O]]'' Blitzwing, President of the Chess Club that year, is a small brick-built [[Kreon]] figure, using the 2015-style construction with raised hands and the sturdier "peg-in-peg" torso/waist connection.

: He was only available as part of the [[San Diego Comic-Con]]-[[exclusive]] "[[Kreon Class of '85]]" 30-Kreon set. This set was also sold online through [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] after the show.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Decepticon/SDCCKre-OBlitzwing/blitzwing.htm More information on Class of '85 Blitzwing at TFU.info]''

{{-}}{{anchor|BattleChanger}}
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' (Kreon Triple Changer, 2015)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Pistol, Buildable Scimitar
{{toydesigner|[[Evan Brooks]] (Hasbro)}}<ref>[https://youtu.be/PdsHMGVDZFg?si=7IIIhq2AU8jwMnSx Interview] with [[Hasbro]] designer [[Evan Brooks]] on the Triple Takeover podcast, from their YouTube channel</ref>

: Part of the (ultimately unreleased) Battle Changers Kreon Triple Changer line, Blitzwing transforms from robot to jet to tank and back without removing any parts! As a nod to his [[Blitzwing (Animated)|''Animated'' counterpart]], he comes with two optional heads.

: Blitzwing (along with [[Drift (Kre-O)#Battle Changers|Drift]]) was shown at Toy Fair 2015, but no accounts of it seeing release in any market have ever surfaced.
{{canceledtoy}}{{-}}

===''Platinum Edition''===
{{anchor|Platinum}}
[[File:Platinum-edition-g1-blitzwing.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Blitzwheels? Flywing?]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Decepticon Triple Changers''' (Multi-pack, 2015)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': "Gyro-blaster rifle", "electron scimitar", 3 "concussion missiles"

: Part of a ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' two-pack with [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Platinum Edition|Astrotrain]] released under the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' line, this reissue of Blitzwing features an unprecedented light brown and red color scheme. The exact inspiration for this deco is unknown, with the currently prevalent theory being that it's supposedly an homage to the [[Duocon]] [[Flywheels]]'s colors.

:This set was officially an [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]] exclusive in the United States and Canada. However, it was also stocked by US-based online retailers [[BigBadToyStore]] and TFSource, who supposedly obtained it as an import from Asia. It was available in several of Hasbro's Asian markets (namely Malaysia, Hong Kong, the Philippines, Singapore, and Taiwan; it's currently unknown whether it was exclusive to any particular stores there or not). In the United Kingdom, it was available via A1Toys.

:This toy was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as [[Fever Dream]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Decepticon/PlatinumBlitzwing/blitzwing.htm More information on ''Platinum Edition'' Blitzwing at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===''Titans Return''===
[[File:TF-Titans-Return-Blitzwing.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The Titan Master not being named [[Triple Takeover|"Zone"]] is a war crime.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Decepticon Hazard & Blitzwing''' (Voyager Class, 2017)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Seated gun, tank barrel, scimitar, "Hazard" Titan Master
{{toydesigner|[[John Warden]] (Hasbro)}}

:Released as part of the fifth (and final) wave of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' Voyager Class toys, Blitzwing is a redeco/retool of [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#Titans Return|Megatron]]. He also comes with [[Hazard]], a Titan Master who transforms into Blitzwing's head. Hasbro's stock photo (see right) has the figure transformed using Megatron's instructions, but a more animation-accurate depiction of the character can be achieved by simply rotating the tail wings forward, leaving the jet wings unfolded, and keeping the tank barrel attached to the turret. Like Megatron, Blitzwing is capable of transforming into his tank mode without removing his head, though this leaves it exposed completely on the vehicle's back.

:A recurring issue with many examples of the figure involves the figure's thighs being coated in so much paint that it affects the clearance and range of motion on the joints connected to them. This results in stiff thigh swivels and may sometimes prevent the shins from properly folding up and locking into the hips for either vehicle mode. The Blitzwing face on Hazard's back is also coated in heavy amounts of paint, causing the facial details to become nearly indiscernible. Additionally, the tabs that keep the arms in place in robot and tank mode and the panels in the legs in vehicle mode are both very prone to popping out. The stickers on the wings seem especially prone to peeling, sometimes doing so right out of the box.
{{-}}

===''Legends''===
[[File:TF-Legends-LG-59-Blitzwing.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It's a RECTANKLE]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' (Voyager Class, [[2018]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''LG-59'''
:*''Release date'': [[January 27]], 2018
:*''Accessories'': Seated gun, tank barrel, scimitar, Headmaster

:''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' Blitzwing is a redeco of the [[#Titans Return|''Titans Return'' Voyager toy]] in more cartoon-accurate deco, notably lacking the big toy-like wing sticker detailing of the Hasbro release... and with much thinner paint on the thighs and face.

: He also comes with the mammoth/tank/cannon-bot [[Big Convoy (Legends)#Toys|Big Fight]].

: Interestingly, his instructions and stock photography depict an alternate transformation for the robot mode, leaving the jet mode tail fins less transformed in order to more closely match his animation model.
{{-}}

===''Legacy''===
{{anchor|LegacyEvo}}
[[File:TF-Legacy-Leader-Class-Blitzwing.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Warpath will make sure to [[Dinobot Island, Part 2#Quotes|'''tank''']] him.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' (Leader Class, [[2022]] / [[2023]])}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''TL-10'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[October 29]], [[2022]]
:*''Accessories'': 2 blasters, sword, 2 Energon gauntlets, 2 energon fists (combine to form missile racks/fists/boosters)
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro), [[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] (detailing), [[Emiliano Santalucia]] (concept artist), [[AJ Piejko-Brown]] (packaging)}}

: Part of the second wave of ''[[Transformers: Legacy]]'' Leader Class toys, Blitzwing is a mostly cartoon-accurate version of the character. In particular, his head is based more on his appearance from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' onwards, while the deco on his chest replicates sticker detailing from his original [[#The_Transformers|G1 toy]]. He transforms into either his fighter jet mode in 32 steps, or his tank mode in 41 steps. The visible plane cockpit in tank mode is intentional as to replicate the error in his cartoon model. Also like the cartoon model, the jet mode is lacking any horizontal stabilizers.

: His accessories include his sword and a pair of his original guns, which can all mount on his vehicle modes via various 5 mm holes, and two large [[Energon]] gauntlets with detachable hands. Said gauntlets can plug into his robot mode arms, plug into the back of the jet mode as boosters, or reconfigure into missile racks for the tank mode's turret. His accessories can all be stored on Blitzwing's back in robot mode, including the gauntlets which can be stored by plugging them into the tank turret, while pointing the turret down instead of up. As the [[5 mm post]] is very short and near the front of the gauntlets, it can be difficult to get him to hold them securely. [[For safety reasons]], the blade of his sword is cast in softer, slightly rubbery plastic.

: Like many Leaders since 2019, Blitzwing stands about as tall as contemporary Voyager-class figures but features additional accessories and a more complex transformation. He has a prominent plastic seam running straight through the middle of his eyes, and once you've noticed it you can never un-notice it.... uh, sorry.

: This figure was revealed by CBR a day prior to the [[April 12]], [[2022]] Fan First Tuesday.<ref>[https://www.ign.com/articles/new-transformers-generations-legacy-figure-line-announced-by-hasbro ''EXCLUSIVE: Transformers Debuts Wild Rider, Blitzwing Legacy Figures'' - on CBR]</ref>

: Blitzwing was later re-released as part of the second wave of ''Legacy: Evolution'' Leader Class toys. There are no discernible changes from the original release. As with fellow [[package refresh]] figures [[Dirge (G1)/toys#Legacy|Dirge]] and [[Megatron (BW)/toys#Legacy|Transmetal II Megatron]], his box lacks the [[Evo-Fusion]] gimmick callout.

: This mold was also used to make ''Legacy: United'' [[Overcharge (G1)#Legacy|Overcharge]].
{{-}}

===''Dramatic Capture Series''===
[[File:TF-DCS-Blitzwing.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Who needs a sword when you've got guns?]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Triple Takeover''' (Multi-pack, [[2025]])}}</ul>
:*''Release date'': [[March 29]], 2025
:*''Accessories'': 2 blasters, sword
{{toydesigner|[[Hisashi Yuki]] (TakaraTomy)}}

: The fourth release in the ''[[Dramatic Capture Series]]'' line by TakaraTomy, this Blitzwing is a redeco of his ''Legacy'' toy in much more cartoon-accurate colors and layouts, though this time without his Energon gauntlets & Energon fists.

:Blitzwing is packaged with similarly-very-cartoon-decoed versions of [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Dramatic Capture Series|Starscream]] and [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Dramatic Capture Series|Astrotrain]].
{{-}}

===''Studio Series''===
[[File:TF-SS-TFTM-Leader-Blitzwing.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Hasbro just inadvertently boosted [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Dramatic Capture Series|''Dramatic Capture'' Astrotrain]]'s demand for a reissue.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' (Leader Class, [[2026]])}}</ul>
:*''Movie'': '''''The Transformers: The Movie'''''
:*''Accessories'': 2 blasters, sword, 2 gauntlets and 2 fists (combine to form missile racks/fists/boosters)

:Released to celebrate the 40th anniversary of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', ''[[Studio Series]]'' Blitzwing is a redeco of his ''Legacy'' figure in more movie-accurate colors, similar to his ''Dramatic Capture Series'' version. The clear plastic has been cast in opaque purple, with his cockpits being painted blue.
{{comingsoontoy}}
{{--}}

==Merchandise==
===Decoy===
*'''Blitzwing''' ([[1986]])
:[[Decoy]] Blitzwing is a small, purple, soft-rubber figure that came randomly packed with smaller carded toys.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Decoys/Blitzwing/blitzwing.htm More information on Decoy Blitzwing at TFU.info]''

===''Transformers Gum''===
*'''Blitzwing''' (1986)
**''Accessories:'' "Gyro-Blaster Gun"
:Essentially a downsized version of the original Blitzwing toy, the ''[[Transformers Gum]]'' kit is sculpted from black, red, and grey plastic, features stickers rather than paint applications for details, and came with a stick of gum.
{{-}}

===''3D Battle-Card Game''===
[[File:Blitzwing Energon Wars.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|My life is a mystery.]]
*'''Blitzwing''' ([[2007]])
:A 30-point "uncommon" character in the ''[[3D Battle-Card Game]]''{{'}}s "Energon Wars" expansion, Blitzwing "transforms" into a burgundy and blue tank. He uses the same parts layout as [[Transformers (film)|movie]] [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] and [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]] and [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[Warpath (G1)#Toys|Warpath]].

:Blitzwing ''really'' looks like [[Quake (G1)|Quake]]. However, his stat card is clearly intended for Blitzwing, listing several of that character's trademark weapons as attacks.
{{-}}

===''Robot Heroes''===
[[File:Robotheroeshoundblitzwing.jpg|upright=1.22|thumb|[[Blitzwing (Animated)|German accent]] not included.]]
*'''Autobot Hound & Blitzwing''' (Two-pack, [[2008]])
{{toydesigner|[[Bill Rawley]] (Hasbro)|[[Marcelo Matere]] (concept artist)}}

:Part of the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]''-branded ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'', Blitzwing is a [[super deformed]] figure sculpted holding his electron scimitar. He has articulation in his neck and shoulders and came in a two-pack with [[Hound (G1)/toys#Robot Heroes|Hound]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/RHBlitzwing/blitzwing.htm More information on ''Robot Heroes'' Blitzwing at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===The Loyal Subjects===
[[File:Blitzwingtls.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Blitzwing''' ([[2014]])
:[[The Loyal Subjects]] Blitzwing is a Wave 3 figure with standard articulation. He features a pumping cannon gimmick. He also has a sword and a gun. There are two Blitzwings per 16 figures.
{{-}}

===''Transformers Trading Card Game''===
[[File:W2Blitzwing.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Blitzwing, Relentless Foe''' ([[2019]])
**'''Wave 2: Rise of the Combiners'''
**''Rarity: '''''SRT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T09/T46'''
**''Stars: ''11
:Blitzwing, Relentless Foe is one of forty-six character cards released as part of Wave 2 of the [[Transformers Trading Card Game]], Rise of the Combiners. In order to depict the [[Triple Changer]] nature of the character, Blitzwing, Relentless Foe is a folding card, with both Alt Modes depicted when the card is folded in half, and Bot Mode depicted when the card is unfolded.

:The line-art for the card's jet mode was drawn by [[Marcelo Matere]], while the artwork for tank and robot mode is reused from the ''[[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Transformers Legends]]'' mobile game.
{{--}}

===''ReAction''===
*'''Blitzwing''' (2020)
**''Accessories'': Gyro-blaster rifle, electron scimitar

: Released in the third wave of [[Super7]]'s line of multi-property 3.75-inch "retro" action figures, ''[[ReAction]]'' Blitzwing is a non-converting 3 3/4-inch action figure based on his appearance in the original cartoon, with 5 points of articulation (swivel neck, shoulders, hips) and holes in his feet for use with some variety of stand.

: As with all releases in the ''ReAction'' toyline, Blitzwing comes packaged on a small cardback that emulates the nostalgic packaging style of [[Kenner]]'s ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' action figures from the late 1970s to early '80s.
{{--}}

===Eaglemoss===
* '''Transformers Gen-1 Chess Set''' (<s>2021</s>)
:In the planned [[Chess#Eaglemoss|Transformers Chess Set]] by [[Eaglemoss]], a relatively large and very well detailed statue of Blitzwing was slated to be one of the Rook pieces on the Decepticon side.

:A Kickstarter campaign to raise the necessary funds for this project was launched, but failed to meet its goal by September 24, 2021 and the whole thing was canceled.
{{canceledtoy}}
{{--}}

===''Pop!''===
*'''Blitzwing''' ([[Funko Pop!#Digital Pop! NFTs|Digital ''Pop!'']], 2022)
**''Rarity:''
***''Monochrome'': '''Common'''
***''Static'': '''Common'''
***''Glowing'': '''Uncommon'''
***''Chrome'': '''Uncommon'''
***''Original'': '''Epic'''
:{{W|Non-fungible token|NFTs}} depicting Blitzwing in the Funko style.
<center><gallery heights=200px>
File:TRANSFORMERS_COMMON_BLITZWING_MONOCHROME.gif
File:TRANSFORMERS_COMMON_BLITZWING_STATIC.gif|Changes from statue to statue...''to statue''!
File:TRANSFORMERS_UNCOMMON_BLITZWING_GLOW.gif
File:TRANSFORMERS_UNCOMMON_BLITZWING_PURPLECHROME.gif
File:TRANSFORMERS_EPIC_BLITZWING_ORIGINAL.gif
</gallery></center>

{{-}}{{anchor|PopDigital}}
*'''Blitzwing''' (2024)
**''Rarity:'' '''Legendary'''
**''ID number:'' '''264'''

:Released as part of the second wave of the ''Pop! Digital'' segment, [[Funko Pop!|Funko]]'s ''Pop!'' Blizwing is a super deformed vinyl figure based on his original Generation 1 toy.

:This figure is limited to 2000 units and can only be acquired by collecting and redeeming digital tokens.
{{-}}

===''Magic: The Gathering''===
[[File:MTG-Blitzwing.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Blitzwing, Cruel Tormentor / Blitzwing, Adaptive Assailant''' (2022)
**''ID number:'' '''004/015'''
**''Set code:'' '''BOT'''
**''Color identity:'' '''Black'''
**''Casting cost:'' '''{5}{B}''' (front), '''{3}{B}''' (back)

:"Blitzwing, Cruel Tormentor" is part of the 2022 ''[[Magic: The Gathering]]'' ''[[mtg:Universes Beyond|Universes Beyond]]'' ''[[mtg:Transformers|Transformers]]'' card set, found in Set Booster and Collector Booster packs of ''Magic''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> ''[[mtg:The Brothers' War|The Brothers' War]]'' set. It can be reversed to become "Blitzwing, Adaptive Assailant", representing Blitzwing in vehicle mode.
:A variant of this card was available solely in Collector Booster packs, depicting [[Blitzwing (SG)#Magic: The Gathering|''Shattered Glass'' Blitzwing]].
{{-}}
===''Blokees''===
====Defender Version====
[[File:Blokees-TF-Defender-04-Blitzwing.jpg|thumb|250px|"Why don't you four scrapheaps give me my gun(s) back...AND HANDS OFF IT!"]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' (2025)}}</ul>
:*''Series:'' '''Galaxy Version Defender 04 - Tyrant's Fury'''
:*''Accessories'': scimitar

:Released for the fourth wave of the ''Defender Version'' line of blind boxes, ''[[Blokees]]'' Blitzwing is a 2.2-inch (5.5cm) articulated, and non-transforming "chibi-style" snap-on model kit, a few inches smaller than the ''Galaxy Version'' kits, but still articulated. He comes with only his signature scimitar. Unlike most Defender kits, Blitzwing features a single-piece head that blends with the molded neck collar on the torso.

:Although Blitzwing doesn't include his Gyro-Blaster Rifle, he can use weapons from other kits, such as Sideswipe's, as they are molded to resemble his rifle.
{{-}}

====Galaxy Version====
[[File:Blokees-TF-GV08-Blitzwing.jpg|thumb|250px]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' (2025)}}</ul>
:*''Series:'' '''Galaxy Version 08 - One Shall Fall'''
:*''Accessories'': 2 pairs of hands (Item-holding, splayed open-palm), Rifle, Scimitar

:Part of the eighth wave of Blokees' Galaxy Version blindbox kits, this Blitzwing is a roughly 4-inch-tall version of the Decepticon Triple Changer. He is built on a "Standard Body" skeleton shared with other Blokees figures in the line, but with different body pieces to make them distinct. As advertised in the box, Blitzwing has a pull rate of 1 in every 9 boxes. Aside from the 2 pairs of hands, Blitzwing comes with his signature rifle and scimitar. In addition to the ball-jointed waist from the previous entry, Blitzwing also features updated articulation, including a slide-down hip joint axis, rotating upper thigh joints, and improved double-jointed knee articulation, similar to his wave mates.

:Because the newly designed knee joints are made to fit the narrow gaps in the thighs and lower legs, they are incompatible with joints from previous releases, including those used for the elbows.

:If you're a speed builder, be mindful when attaching the pre-assembled elbow joints; unlike the symmetrical joints from earlier waves, both ends of the pegs were meant to attach to a specific position, but it still won't affect the articulation if you're doing it wrong.

:Along with the rest of the wavemates, Blitzwing is first revealed at Blokees' booth at the IBTE 2025 (Indonesia International Baby Products & Toys Expo) event.

{{--}}
==Notes==
*Kōjin Ōno has named the original Blitzwing as his favourite Transformers toy he designed.{{fact|source needed}}
==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:3D Battle-Cards]]
[[Category:Bot Shots Decepticons]]
[[Category:Construct-Bots Decepticons]]
[[Category:Decoys]]
[[Category:Construct-Bots Decepticons]]
[[Category:Generation 1 toy Decepticons]]
[[Category:Generations]]
[[Category:Headmasters]]
[[Category:Kre-O Decepticons]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:Legacy Decepticons]]
[[Category:Legends Decepticons]]
[[Category:Platinum Edition]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]] 
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]
[[Category:SDCC exclusives]]
[[Category:Studio Series Decepticons]]
[[Category:Titans Return Decepticons]]
[[Category:Triple Changers]]
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]

Sideswipe (WFC)

2026-04-28T07:34:05Z

Poliwag06: /* Toys */ Removed the section about the magazine, as Im not sure if its really widespread

{{factions|autobot}}
{{disambig3.5|the Autobot from ''War for Cybertron''|the Autobot from ''Robots in Disguise''|Sideswipe (RID)|Sideswipe}}
:''Sideswipe is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].''

[[Image:WFC Sideswipe.jpg|thumb|300px|It's like [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] and [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] rolled into one package.]]

The competitive '''Sideswipe''' is always happy to show off his prowess in the heat of battle, and is willing to do whatever it takes to win. He's also a bit of a smart-aleck, and this tends to cheese off [[Air Raid (WFC)|his comrades]].

{{bigquote|Finally! I ''hate'' sneaking around!|Sideswipe|''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|War for Cybertron]]''}}

==Fiction==
===Toy bios===
Sideswipe was once a promising racer who was wanted in half of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s racing circuits, but his reckless nature cost him his career. He eventually joined the Autobots to try and redeem himself. {{storylink|#Generations|Deluxe Class Sideswipe}}

===Aligned novels===
Sideswipe made his name at the Autobot victory of [[Kalis]], bringing down [[Bruticus (WFC)|Bruticus Maximus]] with [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Jazz (WFC)|Jazz]]. Sideswipe boasted that he tore off Bruticus' [[Onslaught (WFC)|head]], a claim [[Alpha Trion]] considered hyperbole. Optimus did not consider Sideswipe one of his closest comrades but he was often present at their meetings. He concurred with Jazz that fighting [[Dark Energon|Darkened]] Decepticons was better than fleeing, and he did so when [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] invaded [[Teletraan-1 (WFC)|Teletraan-1]] and took the [[Plasma energy|Plasma Energy Chamber]]. Afterwards he aided in extracting Optimus when he rescued [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Sentinel Prime]] from [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]], and guarded over Jazz and [[Prowl (WFC)|Prowl]] as they recovered from that adventure. When Optimus returned from Cybertron's [[core]] with the [[Matrix of Leadership]], he began [[Ark (WFC)|Project Generation One]], a plan to leave Cybertron as it purged itself of Megatron's poison. Though he understood why Optimus was doing it, it still felt to Sideswipe like they were quitting the war. He continued to accompany Optimus in sabotaging [[Trypticon (WFC)|Trypticon]] and was appointed the ''Ark''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s pilot, ensuring it journeyed through the last [[space bridge]], to a [[Milky Way|spiral galaxy]]—where the [[AllSpark]] was detected nearby. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus|Exodus}}

Sideswipe was the [[Ark (WFC)|Ark]]'s pilot when it left Cybertron. After they arrived at [[Velocitron]], he was assigned to Prowl's landing team, and carried out an inspection of the Ark with Ironhide before they went down to the planet, landing just as the [[Speedia]] was about to start. Following the subsequent sabotage and crash of the Ark, Sideswipe oversaw attempts to repair the ship. They next headed to [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]], where Sideswipe found the native [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] were difficult to work with during the ongoing repairs, and reported that the ship's fuel reservoir was damaged beyond repair. As it became increasingly clear that things on Junkion weren't all that they seemed, Sideswipe and Silverbolt got a wrecked ship working for Optimus, who intended to traverse a nearby space bridge. Sideswipe himself was subsequently part of the ship's crew as it passed through the space bridge, and took them to the tomb of [[Solus Prime]]. After Junkion broke apart, Optimus had Sideswipe fly the Ark to the largest piece in order to act as bait for Megatron. Following the battle, Sideswipe again piloted the ship in search of the AllSpark. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

Sideswipe continued to pilot the Ark when the Autobots made contact with the planet [[Aquatron]]. Sideswipe and [[Perceptor (Prime)|Perceptor]] frequently got on each other's nerves, as remnants of Cybertron's old caste system still lingered in the Autobots' ranks. As pilot, Sideswipe remained on-board the Ark as Optimus Prime led most of his senior staff down to the planet as part of a delegation meeting with Aquatron's [[Inquirata (Prime)|Curator]]. During the excursion, however, the Nemesis caught up with the Ark, prompting some daredevil flying on Sideswipe's part. He orchestrated a semi-successful counter-strike with the [[Aerialbot (WFC)|Aerialbot]]s, but their dogfighting ended when the Aquatronians revealed themselves to be vassals of the [[Quintesson]]s. Concealed weaponry in the planet's artificial rings rendered both the Ark and the Nemesis inert.

With Optimus and the senior officers imprisoned on the planet below, Sideswipe assumed command and coordinated the repair efforts on the ship as well as discussions of a rescue mission. Eventually, Sideswipe feigned the Ark's departure from the planet, only to target and disable the ring weapon as he passed it, then make a sharp turn and head straight back down to the Quintesson city, [[Hydratron]], to rescue his friends. Luckily, the Decepticons had their own mission going on the Nemesis. The Decepticon ship took the brunt of the anti-aircraft fire and crashed before the Ark got within range. Sideswipe had [[Sunstreaker (Pop-Up)|Sunstreaker]] and a strike team deplane to join forces with the Autobots and Decepticons on the ground as they escaped their cells.

The Autobot/Decepticon alliance became a burden (literally) when Sideswipe tried to fly the Ark out of the flak fire and the grounded Nemesis used clamps to force the Autobot vessel to lift them up as well. It was ultimately [[Superion (Prime)|Superion]] who provided enough boost to get both ships back into orbit. When the Quintessons were defeated, Sideswipe and the Ark picked up Optimus Prime and the Autobot mission to find the Allspark continued through space. {{storylink|Transformers: Retribution|Retribution}}

===''Transformers: The Ultimate Pop-Up Universe''===
Sideswipe was deployed on Earth alongside [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] and [[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Pop-Up Universe|The Ultimate Pop-Up Universe}}

==Games==
===Transformers: War for Cybertron (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)===
[[File:WarforCybertronXbox-FallenHero.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Weekend at Zeta's]]
{{voiceactor|[[Travis Willingham]] (English)|[[Luca Sandri]] (Italian), [[Patrice Baudrier]] (French), [[Carlos López Benedí]] (Spain-Spanish), [[Klaus Bauer]] (German)}}
As part of Optimus's plan to rescue [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Zeta Prime]], Sideswipe was imprisoned in [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]] with the other Autobots. [[Soundwave (WFC)|Soundwave]] sent the prisoners for "recycling", but [[Air Raid (WFC)|Air Raid]] rescued them just in time. Optimus, Sideswipe, and Bumblebee then fought their way in and out of the prison in order to save Zeta, to Sideswipe's enjoyment. Despite being teleported into prison again, courtesy of Megatron, Optimus used his energon axe to get them out, leaving Sideswipe impressed. The squad of Autobots freed the captured Air Raid and all the other prisoners, and then, after blasting through more Decepticons and barely making it over a floor under assault, intended to free Zeta Prime as well... but found him being guarded and tortured by Soundwave and his minions. After defeating them, Sideswipe accompanied Optimus and Bumblebee as they brought the deceased Zeta to the [[Autobot High Council|High Council]], and witnessed Optimus's promotion to [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leader]]. {{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|War for Cybertron}}
{{-}}

===''Transformers: War for Cybertron'' (DS)===
{{Note|Sideswipe is an unlockable character for the [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (DS)|Nintendo DS version of ''War for Cybertron'']] and can replace any of the other characters on the Autobot team. Sideswipe can be unlocked by obtaining a data disk in "Rescuing Zeta Prime".}}
{{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (DS)|War for Cybertron - Autobots/Decepticons}}

===''Transformers: Cybertron Adventures''===
After Trypticon attacked Iacon from orbit, Sideswipe was one of the first Autobots able to run recon on the damage and look for survivors. While traveling through the debris he was contacted by Ratchet, who was nearby and in need of help. Sideswipe quickly changed course to chase after the medic, finally finding him damaged from a brief confrontation with Megatron. Later, as Barricade infiltrated Iacon, Sideswipe gave the Decepticon a brief chance to surrender before opening fire. Sideswipe was badly damaged before Barricade fled the scene. {{storylink|Transformers: Cybertron Adventures}}

===''Transformers: Fall of Cybertron''===
[[File:FallofCybertronXbox-Sideswipevehicle.jpg|right|thumb|250px|]]
{{voiceactor|[[Travis Willingham]] (English)}}
Sideswipe was on the evaluation team for the Autobots' massive starship ''[[Ark (WFC)|Ark]]''. When [[Grimlock (WFC)|Grimlock]] went missing during the final preparations for the ship's launch, Sideswipe was repairing Autobot [[dropship (WFC)|dropships]] at Autobot headquarters. After reporting to Optimus Prime that he would be able to get the dropship he was working on up and running, Prime sent him to pilot a dropship carrying [[Cliffjumper (WFC)|Cliffjumper]] and [[Jazz (WFC)|Jazz]] to the [[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]] to go look for Grimlock. He dropped the pair off over some ruins. When they later blew the place up, he was on hand to pick them up in the drop ship. {{storylink|Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron}}
{{-}}

===''Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark''===
:{{voiceactor|[[Travis Willingham]] (English)}}
Sideswipe was tasked, alongside Ironhide, with retrieving the Dark Spark before the Decepticons. He and Ironhide followed Shockwave, Soundwave, and Starscream to the Dark Spark's chamber, and, once the Decepticons had unlocked the chamber the Dark Spark was being held in, stole it and locked the Decepticons in the chamber.

Sideswipe and Ironhide then began to make their way to the city's old subway system, where they would meet up with Optimus Prime. Along the way, they were set upon by Insecticons, and eventually separated, before finally meeting Optimus and Bumblebee in the subway. As the others held off the Insecticons, Sideswipe activated the subway system and hailed a train to take them back to Iacon. However, it was revealed that the trains were on a timer, when the train departed after only Bumblebee had boards. As they waited for the next train to arrive, the Autobots were forced to hold off the Insecticons and Starscream (though luckily for them he was also attacked by the Insecticons).

Sideswipe and his comrades successfully boarded the second train once it arrived, and were nearly home free, but unbeknownst to them, Shockwave had rigged the second train and as they were departing, it exploded. {{storylink|Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark (console)|Rise of the Dark Spark}}
{{-}}

===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
[[File:Battle-Tactics-Sideswipe-(WFC).jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Knock, knock, it's Knuckles.]]
Sideswipe (WFC) participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of him! He was a Super Rare character who first appeared in the "Cybertron: Episode 1" event, and could be recruited by collecting 250 units Cybermetal, 75 units Transmetal, and 10 cores of this character. {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}
{{-}}

==Toys==
===''Generations''===
[[File:Generations-toy FOCSideswipe.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.67|He peers into your ''soul''. ''(Hasbro version pictured)'']]
[[File:Generations-tg-10-sideswipe.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|He peers into your ''wallet''. ''(TakaraTomy version pictured)'']]
*'''Sideswipe''' (Deluxe, 2012)
**''Series / number'': '''1 / 011'''
**''Japanese ID number'': '''TG10'''
**''Accessories'': "Battle cannon" (Hasbro & TakaraTomy), Pistol (TakaraTomy only)
{{toydesigner|[[Aaron Archer]] (Hasbro), [[Takashi Kunihiro]] (TakaraTomy)}}

: Part of the third wave of 2012 [[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|''Generations'']] Deluxe Class toys, ''[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron]]'' Sideswipe is an extensive retool of ''Fall of Cybertron'' [[Jazz (WFC)#Generations|Jazz]], featuring a mostly new vehicle shell, as well as having a new robot head and weapon. His massive "battle cannon" is modeled after a [[Path Blaster]] from ''Fall of Cybertron'', features [[5 mm post|5mm post]]s for the handle and on its side, has a spinning, [[Ratchet (mechanism)|ratcheting]] drum, and can extend its barrel. In an undocumented feature, the blaster can mount at an angle onto his vehicle rear, with the back of the blaster sliding into the spoiler. He features 5mm ports for his hands, on his forearms/rear vehicle sides, and on his vehicle roof.

: In [[robot mode]], he features a case of [[kibble#"Faux-parts"|faux parts]]: The centers of his feet are fake wheels (attached to the legs via ratchet joints) that are hidden in the rear section of his [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]], while his real vehicle mode wheels end up on the sides of his chest (partially obscured by panels) and on his forearms.

: His [[stock photography]] depicts him with blue eyes, but the final product leaves his eyes the same black/dark gray color as his head. ''Creepy.''

: The TakaraTomy version of the figure features a metallic red paint job on the entirety of the car and several other extensive detailing changes. The most notable of these include the metallic red paint, War for Cybertron style Autobot lighting effects all throughout the figure, maroon paint surrounding his striping, silver striping instead of white in car mode, metallic gray legs instead of white, and blue painted eyes instead of cold dead unpainted clear gray eyes. The TakaraTomy version also features the smaller pistol included with Jazz that was omitted from the Hasbro release.

: The new shell parts involved in the conversion from Jazz have a design flaw. Similar to Jazz, Sideswipe's back consists of two parts connected via hinge joint that are intended to lock into place by pegging into the pelvis. Unlike Jazz however, Sideswipe's back parts do not swivel far enough to be capable of latching onto the pelvis, leaving the instructions impossible and his robot mode unstable.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/FOCSideswipe/sideswipe.htm More information on Sideswipe at TFU.info]''

{{-}}

===''Hero Mashers''===
[[File:HM-toy Soundwave.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Soundwave swiped 'Swipe's sidearm.]]
*'''Soundwave''' (Battle Upgrade, 2014)
**''Pieces'': '''14'''
**''Accessories'': Missile launcher, missile, shoulder-cannon, blaster/blade, left & right gun pods, "Sideswipe" left forearm

: Part of the second wave of "Battle Upgrade" ''[[Hero Mashers]]'' toys, Sideswipe is represented as a spare left forearm that is included with Soundwave, but does not appear in the line as a complete figure.

:Unlike most other "Battle Upgrade" parts, the Sideswipe arm is a new sculpt, rather than a recolor of another figure's limb. Additionally, the arm has a smaller version of the "[[Path Blaster]]" cannon as part of the design.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2014/Decepticon/HMSoundwave/soundwave.htm More information on ''Hero Mashers'' Soundwave at TFU.info]''

{{--}}

===''Studio Series''===
[[File:TF-SS-WFC-Sideswipe.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|No, I'm not [[Sideswipe (RID)|''that'' Sideswipe]], I'm from the video game you loved playing growing up!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Gamer Edition Sideswipe''' (Deluxe Class, [[2024]])}}</ul>
:*''Game'': '''''War For Cybertron'''''
:*''Hasbro ID number'': '''+07'''
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SS GE-07'''
:*''Accessories'': [[photon burst rifle]], spoiler, "Save Zeta Prime" backdrop
{{toydesigner|[[Evan Brooks]] (Hasbro)<ref>[[March 28]], [[2024]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlrpW_ZFKvE Hasbro Pulse | Transformers 40th Anniversary Fanstream | March 28, 2024] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Evan Brooks]], [[Mark Maher]], [[Kelly Rose]], and [[Matt Ferguson]].</ref>, [[Shuhei Umezu]] (TakaraTomy)<ref name=April25>[[April 25]], [[2024]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s06YE02e844 Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream | April 2024] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Evan Brooks]], and [[Mark Maher]].</ref>}}

:''[[Studio Series]]'' "Gamer Edition Sideswipe" transforms from a game-accurate robot mode into a Cybertronian car. He comes with a [[Fire Blast effect]]-compatible photon burst rifle that can store on his back or the roof of the car mode. The storage tab is 5mm-sized, allowing the rifle to be held in a normal manner (though not very securely.) Like the rest of the ''Gamer Edition'' figures, his right forearm can be detached to equip the rifle or other ''Gamer Edition'' weapons. Unlike most other ''Gamer Edition'' figures, it features an undocumented storage option for the detached forearm inside his back, using the tab near the wrist of the forearm to peg it into one of the two slots underneath the vehicle mode hood, though this hinders the backpack’s ability to sit flush against the torso.

:His spoiler comes separate in the box and attaches via a 5mm port. Said port also allows you to attach the spoiler to the rifle’s 5mm tab as a sort of shield or directly into his arm. Hey, they’re options!

:Sideswipe’s entire forearms are made of black plastic painted red, making them susceptible to chipping. His waist rotation is placed oddly high in his torso, resulting in it slightly pushing the chest and back panels outward when used. It can rotate freely otherwise, allowing for the recreation of his spinning melee attack from the game. Whee! (He'll need to borrow [[Bumblebee (WFC)/toys#Studio Series|Bumblebee]] or [[Cliffjumper_(WFC)#Studio_Series|Cliffjumper's]] sword for it though.) His ankles also have no articulation beyond upwards as a result of transformation, which makes keeping him standing upright when posing dynamically a challenge.

:A month after Sideswipe and his wavemates were spotted at retail, Hasbro showcased the figure at WonderCon on [[March 30]], 2024. The figure was immediately available to ship from [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]], and went up for preorder at other outlets on [[April 4]]. He was intentionally packed alongside [[Sunstreaker (ROTF)#Studio Series|''Bumblebee'' Sunstreaker]], a Cybertronian version of his brother from a different universe.<ref name=April25/>
{{--}}

==Notes==
[[File:WFC-Sideswipe-render-vehicle mode.jpg|right|thumb|300px|]]
*Sideswipe's model is usable in ''War for Cybertron'' multiplayer as the Speedster-type chassis for [[Scout (WFC)|Scout]]-class characters. His parts are also available in ''Fall of Cybertron'', now classified as Rogue-type components for the [[Infiltrator (FOC)|Infiltrator]] class (although his wheels can also be used by [[Destroyer (FOC)|Destroyers]]).
*An early design for Sideswipe created for the [[Binder of Revelation]] by [[Emiliano Santalucia]] was much more heavily-inspired by the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen]]'' incarnation of the [[Sideswipe (Movie)|character]], but with the colors and transformation scheme of his [[Generation 1]] [[Sideswipe (G1)|counterpart]].<ref>https://santalux.blogspot.com/2012/06/transformers-concepts-sideswipe.html</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Sideswipe''' (サイドスワイプ ''Saidosuwaipu'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Héng Pào''' (横炮, "Horizontal Cannon")
*''Russian:'' '''Sideswipe''' (''War for Cybertron'', Сайдсвайп ''Saydsvayp''), '''Uppercut''' (''Generation 1'', Апперкот ''Apperkot'')

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Fall of Cybertron Autobots]]
[[Category:Generations]]
[[Category:Pilots]]
[[Category:Prime Autobots]]
[[Category:Scouts]]
[[Category:Studio Series Autobots]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron Autobots]]

Blitzwing (G1)/toys

2026-04-28T07:30:18Z

Poliwag06: Restored original caption (think the one edited on here is too opinionated). Also moved the Ono claim as I think it feels too "trust me, I know this is true".

{{suite}}
[[File:G1 boxart Blitzwing.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
'''Blitzwing''' is the archetypal tank-jet [[Triple Changer]].

==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
[[File:Blitzwingg1toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Transforms from back-to-front tank to unflyable plane to feetless robot and back!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' (Triple Changer, [[1985]])}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number'': '''43'''
:*''Accessories'': "[[Gyro-blaster rifle]]", "[[electron scimitar]]", 3 "[[concussion weapon|concussion missiles]]"
{{toydesigner|[[Kōjin Ōno]] (TakaraTomy)}}

: Released in the second year of Hasbro's ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|The Transformers]]'' toyline (first year in European markets), Blitzwing is a [[redeco]] of the [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] ''[[Diaclone]]'' "Triple Changer Jet Fighter Type", and can transform into either a Soviet MiG-25 fighter jet or a Japanese Type-74 assault tank. His jet mode has spring-loaded missile launchers in the wings, but all U.S. versions had the spring-loaded missile launchers [[for safety reasons|severely weakened]], while the Japanese releases kept the full-strength launching mechanisms. The tank turret on the original Blitzwing toy can be taken off, while later releases feature a turret that cannot be removed.

: For all of those who don't know, the toy actually has horizontal stabilizers that flip out of the back of his jet mode! This seems to be a feature most owners of the toy overlook, just due to them being well-hidden in his other modes. Also, as illustrated in the [[instructions]], the tank mode’s airplane cockpit [[kibble]] is meant to be in the ''back'' of the tank.
: This mold was returned to its ''Diaclone'' coloration and re-released in 2005 as [[Overcharge (G1)#Toys|Overcharge]], an [[e-HOBBY]] exclusive—which can also double as Blitzwing's original form in the [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] (see [[#Collector's Edition|below]]).
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Decepticon/Blitzwing/blitzwing.htm More information on Blitzwing at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===''The Transformers Collection''===
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' ([[2005]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''17'''
:*''Accessories'': "Gyro-blaster rifle", "electron scimitar", 3 "concussion missiles"

:Blitzwing was reissued as part of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s ''[[The Transformers Collection]]'' series. Despite being included in the instruction manual, the [[rubsign]] was nowhere to be found on this version. The tank turret cannot be removed on this release.
{{--}}

===''Collector's Edition''===
[[File:G1-toy Overcharge.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Overcharge''' (Triple Changer Terrorbot, 2005)}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''72'''
:*''Accessories'': "Heat rifle", "null gladius" sword, 3 missiles
{{note|This figure also [[repurposing|doubles]] as Blitzwing's original form before defecting from the [[Quintesson]]s in the ''[[Transformers Legends (comic)|Legends]]'' [[#Legends|Blitzwing]] [[LG59 Blitzwing|pack-in comic]].}}

: ''[[The Transformers: Collector's Edition|Collector's Edition]]'' [[Overcharge (G1)#Toys|Overcharge]] is an [[e-HOBBY]] exclusive [[redeco]] of the [[Blitzwing (G1)/toys#Toys|original Blitzwing toy]], using the coloration of the pre-''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Transformers]]'' "Triple Changer Jet Machine Type" ''[[Diaclone]]'' toy. It transforms from robot mode to a Mitsubishi Type 74 tank or a MiG-25 fighter jet. In jet mode, it features two spring-loaded [[missile]] launchers, one within each wing assembly. And because Japan has different [[for safety reasons|safety standards]] for projectile launchers, these are fully functional and launch them tiny things a pretty good distance.

: Overcharge came with an extra decal sheet with multiple faction logos (including several totally new ones) so it could be assigned to different armies: [[Autobot]], [[Decepticon]], [[Quintesson]]/Terrorbot, "Ancient", [[Earth Defense Command|EDC]], and "[[Herald of Unicron|Unicron's Herald]]" (using the [[Blentron]] sigil in yellow).

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Destron/Overcharge/overcharge.htm More information on Overcharge at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===''Generations''===
[[File:Generationstoy-Voyager Blitzwing.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Ich bin wieder da! Und wo ist der verfluchte [[Warpath (G1)#Toys|Bolschewist?!]] ''(Hasbro Version Pictured)'']]
[[File:TakaraTomy-Generations-TG22-Blitzwing.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Mit der Geschwindigkeit eines Kampfjets und der Stärke eines Panzers! ''(TakaraTomy Version Pictured)'']]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' (Voyager, [[2013]])}}</ul>
:*''Series / Number'': '''02 / 002'''
:*''Takara ID number'': '''TG22'''
:*''Accessories'': Rifle, scimitar, [[missile]]
{{toydesigner|[[Joe Kyde]] (Hasbro)}}

: Part of the third wave of [[2012]]-[[2013]]'s ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' Voyager Class toys, ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' Blitzwing is a modern reinterpretation of his original toy, and transforms into two vaguely futuristic vehicles: a jet with an opening cockpit and back-mounted rocket boosters, as well as a tank with a rotating turret and a spring-loaded cannon that launches its missile when the barrel is compressed. The cannon can be swung out and deployed for use in jet mode. He comes with a blaster and a sword, both of which mount/are held by [[5 mm post]]. He features 5 mm ports for his hands, shoulders/vehicle sides, cannon base, and wings, while both weapons have numerous additional posts and ports.

:In a nod to his ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' [[Blitzwing (Animated)|incarnation]], he sports a face-swapping feature, allowing him to switch between a more traditional, visored face, a monocled face (inspired by the ''Animated'' character's 'Icy' persona), and a black jack-o'-lantern-like face (inspired by the ''Animated'' character's 'Random' persona). Unlike his inspiration however, the toy's faces spin vertically rather than horizontally.

:The toy is renowned for two significant [[design flaw]]s. The first is that tabs meant to anchor the robot shoulders to the chest never solidly lock into place—they are simply too far apart. This makes his shoulder assemblies swing up and out of his chest when the shoulders are rotated up. Pressing the shoulder slots into the chest tabs ''sometimes'' works to counter this, but it depends on the [[Quality control|tolerances]] of each individual figure. The problem can be completely eliminated with a little work:
:#For those not wishing to modify the toy itself, spacing material can be affixed to the back of the shoulder piece. This creates support in the back and allows the front tabs to remain in place.
:#Alternately, one can disassemble the figure and lightly sand the screw mounts and inside chest walls on the front half, bringing the back of the figure and the front closer together, and allowing the shoulder assemblies to lock in completely solid as originally intended. This has the potential risk of over-sanding, which prevents the legs from clipping securely to his chest for his vehicle modes.
:The second major flaw concerns the face-swapping feature; almost universally, this does not actually end up working because the rotating faces are rendered immobile by an excess of paint on the inside of the helmet, including the post the faces are mounted on. This can be fixed by dismantling the head, removing the faces, and trimming the excess paint in the helmet interior, or in some circumstances, by leaving the toy in a freezer until the inner-helmet paint becomes brittle enough to crack by exerting pressure on the faces, allowing the faces to move as designed. Unfortunately, the yellow paint is also prone to rubbing off when transformed due the rubber used to create the jet mode's nosecone.

:There are two [[variant]]s of Blitzwing: The first version sports an all-silver Decepticon [[insignia]] on its chest and has the missile inserted into the turret inside the packaging, no extra space for the missile in the plastic tray behind the turret and no holes cut for tying down the missile, while a later running change changed the Decepticon insignia's color to purple, with a silver outline, and has the missile tied down in the plastic tray behind the turret.<ref name="genvari1">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/944880-variant-generations-blitzwing.html TFW2005 thread] about ''Generations'' Blitzwing's Decepticon insignia variant.</ref><ref name="genvari2">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/897354-generation-blitzwing-packaging-bubble-variant-fyi.html TFW2005 thread] about ''Generations'' Blitzwing's missile-placement-inside-the-packaging variant.</ref> Oddly, the official Hasbro [[stock photography|stock photo]] of the toy inside its packaging depicts the later version.

:The Japanese release sports a more metallic gold paint application as opposed to the lemon yellow gloss of his helmet, additional purple paint on his thighs and shoulders, dark metallic gray paint within his cockpit, and additional silver paint on his torso. The neck of the figure is now painted black rather than yellow to better blend in with the lower portion of his three faces. Some of the silver detailing on his torso was changed to gold. The figure also features a lighter, more metallic purple, lighter tan, and silver paint on all his gray plastic. The rubberized nose cone's colors are now more in sync with the entire body's purple. The scimitar weapon is molded in a solid purple plastic as opposed to the Hasbro version's "blade" being painted in a lighter hue to simulate an "energon" effect. The same design flaws that plagued the Hasbro release were also carried over in the Tomy version with the exception of the face switching gimmick issue.

:Blitzwing was [[retool]]ed into ''Generations'' [[Doubledealer#Generations|Doubledealer]] and ''[[Transformers Cloud|Cloud]]'' [[Starscream (Cloud)#Cloud 2|Starscream]], neither of which fixed the mold's shoulder problem. The design of the figure also inspired the look of [[Flywheels#2005 IDW continuity|Flywheels]] in the 2005 IDW continuity.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/GenBlitzwing/blitzwing.htm More information on ''Generations'' Blitzwing at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===''Construct-Bots''===
[[File:Construct-bots-blitzwing.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Wishes he had a face-changing gimmick.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' (Triple-Changer, 2013)}}</ul>
{{toydesigner|[[Andrew Scribner]] (deco artist)}}

: Part of Wave 1 of ''[[Construct-Bots]]'' Triple-Changers, Blitzwing can transform into something that vaguely resembles a jet and something that vaguely resembles a tank. He is armed with a projectile launching main cannon, a set of non-firing Gatling guns and a blaster. His face was retooled into [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#Construct-Bots|Ironhide]]'s.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/CBBlitzwing/blitzwing.htm More information on Blitzwing at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===''Bot Shots''===
[[File:BotShots 3pack Blitzwing.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Scourge / Sergeant Kup / Blitzwing''' (Multi-pack, 2013)}}</ul>
:*''Series'': '''2'''
:*''Number'': '''Super Bot 007'''
:**''Fist strength'': '''181'''
:**''Blaster strength'': '''845'''
:**''Sword strength'': '''594'''

:Part of the second wave of ''[[Bot Shots (toyline)|Bot Shots]]'' Series 2 three-packs, Blitzwing is a [[redeco]] of Series 1 [[Brawl (Movie)#Bot Shots|Decepticon Brawl]] in transparent purple, transforming into a tank with a [[Autotransformation|spring-loaded automatic transformation]] to robot mode triggered when the front is pressed. He has a "spinner" in his chest that shows his three attack types and power levels. As a Super Bot, he has more lopsided strength ratings.

: He comes with [[Scourge (Cybertron)#Scourge3Pack|Spin Shot Scourge]] and [[Kup (G1)/toys#Bot Shots|Spin Shot Sergeant Kup]]. He shares parts with Series 1 [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Bot Shots|Megatron]] and Series 1 [[Shockwave (Movie)#Bot Shots|Shockwave]].

:The second wave of Series 2 three-packs didn't reach mass retail in the United States, only showing up in discount stores like Ross.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/BSBlitzwing/blitzwing.htm More information on ''Bot Shots'' Blitzwing at TFU.info]''

===''Kre-O''===
{{anchor|SDCC2015}}{{picsneeded}}
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Kreon Class of '85''' (Kreon figure set, 2015)}}</ul>
:*''Set number'': '''B5152'''
:*''Voted'': Class Jock
:*''Accessories'': Scoped pistol, curved blade

: ''[[Kre-O]]'' Blitzwing, President of the Chess Club that year, is a small brick-built [[Kreon]] figure, using the 2015-style construction with raised hands and the sturdier "peg-in-peg" torso/waist connection.

: He was only available as part of the [[San Diego Comic-Con]]-[[exclusive]] "[[Kreon Class of '85]]" 30-Kreon set. This set was also sold online through [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] after the show.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Decepticon/SDCCKre-OBlitzwing/blitzwing.htm More information on Class of '85 Blitzwing at TFU.info]''

{{-}}{{anchor|BattleChanger}}
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' (Kreon Triple Changer, 2015)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Pistol, Buildable Scimitar
{{toydesigner|[[Evan Brooks]] (Hasbro)}}<ref>[https://youtu.be/PdsHMGVDZFg?si=7IIIhq2AU8jwMnSx Interview] with [[Hasbro]] designer [[Evan Brooks]] on the Triple Takeover podcast, from their YouTube channel</ref>

: Part of the (ultimately unreleased) Battle Changers Kreon Triple Changer line, Blitzwing transforms from robot to jet to tank and back without removing any parts! As a nod to his [[Blitzwing (Animated)|''Animated'' counterpart]], he comes with two optional heads.

: Blitzwing (along with [[Drift (Kre-O)#Battle Changers|Drift]]) was shown at Toy Fair 2015, but no accounts of it seeing release in any market have ever surfaced.
{{canceledtoy}}{{-}}

===''Platinum Edition''===
{{anchor|Platinum}}
[[File:Platinum-edition-g1-blitzwing.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Blitzwheels? Flywing?]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Decepticon Triple Changers''' (Multi-pack, 2015)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': "Gyro-blaster rifle", "electron scimitar", 3 "concussion missiles"

: Part of a ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' two-pack with [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Platinum Edition|Astrotrain]] released under the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' line, this reissue of Blitzwing features an unprecedented light brown and red color scheme. The exact inspiration for this deco is unknown, with the currently prevalent theory being that it's supposedly an homage to the [[Duocon]] [[Flywheels]]'s colors.

:This set was officially an [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]] exclusive in the United States and Canada. However, it was also stocked by US-based online retailers [[BigBadToyStore]] and TFSource, who supposedly obtained it as an import from Asia. It was available in several of Hasbro's Asian markets (namely Malaysia, Hong Kong, the Philippines, Singapore, and Taiwan; it's currently unknown whether it was exclusive to any particular stores there or not). In the United Kingdom, it was available via A1Toys.

:This toy was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as [[Fever Dream]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Decepticon/PlatinumBlitzwing/blitzwing.htm More information on ''Platinum Edition'' Blitzwing at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===''Titans Return''===
[[File:TF-Titans-Return-Blitzwing.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The Titan Master not being named [[Triple Takeover|"Zone"]] is a war crime.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Decepticon Hazard & Blitzwing''' (Voyager Class, 2017)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Seated gun, tank barrel, scimitar, "Hazard" Titan Master
{{toydesigner|[[John Warden]] (Hasbro)}}

:Released as part of the fifth (and final) wave of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' Voyager Class toys, Blitzwing is a redeco/retool of [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#Titans Return|Megatron]]. He also comes with [[Hazard]], a Titan Master who transforms into Blitzwing's head. Hasbro's stock photo (see right) has the figure transformed using Megatron's instructions, but a more animation-accurate depiction of the character can be achieved by simply rotating the tail wings forward, leaving the jet wings unfolded, and keeping the tank barrel attached to the turret. Like Megatron, Blitzwing is capable of transforming into his tank mode without removing his head, though this leaves it exposed completely on the vehicle's back.

:A recurring issue with many examples of the figure involves the figure's thighs being coated in so much paint that it affects the clearance and range of motion on the joints connected to them. This results in stiff thigh swivels and may sometimes prevent the shins from properly folding up and locking into the hips for either vehicle mode. The Blitzwing face on Hazard's back is also coated in heavy amounts of paint, causing the facial details to become nearly indiscernible. Additionally, the tabs that keep the arms in place in robot and tank mode and the panels in the legs in vehicle mode are both very prone to popping out. The stickers on the wings seem especially prone to peeling, sometimes doing so right out of the box.
{{-}}

===''Legends''===
[[File:TF-Legends-LG-59-Blitzwing.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It's a RECTANKLE]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' (Voyager Class, [[2018]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''LG-59'''
:*''Release date'': [[January 27]], 2018
:*''Accessories'': Seated gun, tank barrel, scimitar, Headmaster

:''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' Blitzwing is a redeco of the [[#Titans Return|''Titans Return'' Voyager toy]] in more cartoon-accurate deco, notably lacking the big toy-like wing sticker detailing of the Hasbro release... and with much thinner paint on the thighs and face.

: He also comes with the mammoth/tank/cannon-bot [[Big Convoy (Legends)#Toys|Big Fight]].

: Interestingly, his instructions and stock photography depict an alternate transformation for the robot mode, leaving the jet mode tail fins less transformed in order to more closely match his animation model.
{{-}}

===''Legacy''===
{{anchor|LegacyEvo}}
[[File:TF-Legacy-Leader-Class-Blitzwing.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Warpath will make sure to [[Dinobot Island, Part 2#Quotes|'''tank''']] him.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' (Leader Class, [[2022]] / [[2023]])}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''TL-10'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[October 29]], [[2022]]
:*''Accessories'': 2 blasters, sword, 2 Energon gauntlets, 2 energon fists (combine to form missile racks/fists/boosters)
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro), [[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] (detailing), [[Emiliano Santalucia]] (concept artist), [[AJ Piejko-Brown]] (packaging)}}

: Part of the second wave of ''[[Transformers: Legacy]]'' Leader Class toys, Blitzwing is a mostly cartoon-accurate version of the character. In particular, his head is based more on his appearance from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' onwards, while the deco on his chest replicates sticker detailing from his original [[#The_Transformers|G1 toy]]. He transforms into either his fighter jet mode in 32 steps, or his tank mode in 41 steps. The visible plane cockpit in tank mode is intentional as to replicate the error in his cartoon model. Also like the cartoon model, the jet mode is lacking any horizontal stabilizers.

: His accessories include his sword and a pair of his original guns, which can all mount on his vehicle modes via various 5 mm holes, and two large [[Energon]] gauntlets with detachable hands. Said gauntlets can plug into his robot mode arms, plug into the back of the jet mode as boosters, or reconfigure into missile racks for the tank mode's turret. His accessories can all be stored on Blitzwing's back in robot mode, including the gauntlets which can be stored by plugging them into the tank turret, while pointing the turret down instead of up. As the [[5 mm post]] is very short and near the front of the gauntlets, it can be difficult to get him to hold them securely. [[For safety reasons]], the blade of his sword is cast in softer, slightly rubbery plastic.

: Like many Leaders since 2019, Blitzwing stands about as tall as contemporary Voyager-class figures but features additional accessories and a more complex transformation. He has a prominent plastic seam running straight through the middle of his eyes, and once you've noticed it you can never un-notice it.... uh, sorry.

: This figure was revealed by CBR a day prior to the [[April 12]], [[2022]] Fan First Tuesday.<ref>[https://www.ign.com/articles/new-transformers-generations-legacy-figure-line-announced-by-hasbro ''EXCLUSIVE: Transformers Debuts Wild Rider, Blitzwing Legacy Figures'' - on CBR]</ref>

: Blitzwing was later re-released as part of the second wave of ''Legacy: Evolution'' Leader Class toys. There are no discernible changes from the original release. As with fellow [[package refresh]] figures [[Dirge (G1)/toys#Legacy|Dirge]] and [[Megatron (BW)/toys#Legacy|Transmetal II Megatron]], his box lacks the [[Evo-Fusion]] gimmick callout.

: This mold was also used to make ''Legacy: United'' [[Overcharge (G1)#Legacy|Overcharge]].
{{-}}

===''Dramatic Capture Series''===
[[File:TF-DCS-Blitzwing.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Who needs a sword when you've got guns?]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Triple Takeover''' (Multi-pack, [[2025]])}}</ul>
:*''Release date'': [[March 29]], 2025
:*''Accessories'': 2 blasters, sword
{{toydesigner|[[Hisashi Yuki]] (TakaraTomy)}}

: The fourth release in the ''[[Dramatic Capture Series]]'' line by TakaraTomy, this Blitzwing is a redeco of his ''Legacy'' toy in much more cartoon-accurate colors and layouts, though this time without his Energon gauntlets & Energon fists.

:Blitzwing is packaged with similarly-very-cartoon-decoed versions of [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Dramatic Capture Series|Starscream]] and [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Dramatic Capture Series|Astrotrain]].
{{-}}

===''Studio Series''===
[[File:TF-SS-TFTM-Leader-Blitzwing.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Hasbro just inadvertently boosted [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Dramatic Capture Series|''Dramatic Capture'' Astrotrain]]'s demand for a reissue.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' (Leader Class, [[2026]])}}</ul>
:*''Movie'': '''''The Transformers: The Movie'''''
:*''Accessories'': 2 blasters, sword, 2 gauntlets and 2 fists (combine to form missile racks/fists/boosters)

:Released to celebrate the 40th anniversary of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', ''[[Studio Series]]'' Blitzwing is a redeco of his ''Legacy'' figure in more movie-accurate colors, similar to his ''Dramatic Capture Series'' version. The clear plastic has been cast in opaque purple, with his cockpits being painted blue.
{{comingsoontoy}}
{{--}}

==Merchandise==
===Decoy===
*'''Blitzwing''' ([[1986]])
:[[Decoy]] Blitzwing is a small, purple, soft-rubber figure that came randomly packed with smaller carded toys.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Decoys/Blitzwing/blitzwing.htm More information on Decoy Blitzwing at TFU.info]''

===''Transformers Gum''===
*'''Blitzwing''' (1986)
**''Accessories:'' "Gyro-Blaster Gun"
:Essentially a downsized version of the original Blitzwing toy, the ''[[Transformers Gum]]'' kit is sculpted from black, red, and grey plastic, features stickers rather than paint applications for details, and came with a stick of gum.
{{-}}

===''3D Battle-Card Game''===
[[File:Blitzwing Energon Wars.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|My life is a mystery.]]
*'''Blitzwing''' ([[2007]])
:A 30-point "uncommon" character in the ''[[3D Battle-Card Game]]''{{'}}s "Energon Wars" expansion, Blitzwing "transforms" into a burgundy and blue tank. He uses the same parts layout as [[Transformers (film)|movie]] [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] and [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]] and [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[Warpath (G1)#Toys|Warpath]].

:Blitzwing ''really'' looks like [[Quake (G1)|Quake]]. However, his stat card is clearly intended for Blitzwing, listing several of that character's trademark weapons as attacks.
{{-}}

===''Robot Heroes''===
[[File:Robotheroeshoundblitzwing.jpg|upright=1.22|thumb|[[Blitzwing (Animated)|German accent]] not included.]]
*'''Autobot Hound & Blitzwing''' (Two-pack, [[2008]])
{{toydesigner|[[Bill Rawley]] (Hasbro)|[[Marcelo Matere]] (concept artist)}}

:Part of the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]''-branded ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'', Blitzwing is a [[super deformed]] figure sculpted holding his electron scimitar. He has articulation in his neck and shoulders and came in a two-pack with [[Hound (G1)/toys#Robot Heroes|Hound]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/RHBlitzwing/blitzwing.htm More information on ''Robot Heroes'' Blitzwing at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===The Loyal Subjects===
[[File:Blitzwingtls.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Blitzwing''' ([[2014]])
:[[The Loyal Subjects]] Blitzwing is a Wave 3 figure with standard articulation. He features a pumping cannon gimmick. He also has a sword and a gun. There are two Blitzwings per 16 figures.
{{-}}

===''Transformers Trading Card Game''===
[[File:W2Blitzwing.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Blitzwing, Relentless Foe''' ([[2019]])
**'''Wave 2: Rise of the Combiners'''
**''Rarity: '''''SRT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T09/T46'''
**''Stars: ''11
:Blitzwing, Relentless Foe is one of forty-six character cards released as part of Wave 2 of the [[Transformers Trading Card Game]], Rise of the Combiners. In order to depict the [[Triple Changer]] nature of the character, Blitzwing, Relentless Foe is a folding card, with both Alt Modes depicted when the card is folded in half, and Bot Mode depicted when the card is unfolded.

:The line-art for the card's jet mode was drawn by [[Marcelo Matere]], while the artwork for tank and robot mode is reused from the ''[[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Transformers Legends]]'' mobile game.
{{--}}

===''ReAction''===
*'''Blitzwing''' (2020)
**''Accessories'': Gyro-blaster rifle, electron scimitar

: Released in the third wave of [[Super7]]'s line of multi-property 3.75-inch "retro" action figures, ''[[ReAction]]'' Blitzwing is a non-converting 3 3/4-inch action figure based on his appearance in the original cartoon, with 5 points of articulation (swivel neck, shoulders, hips) and holes in his feet for use with some variety of stand.

: As with all releases in the ''ReAction'' toyline, Blitzwing comes packaged on a small cardback that emulates the nostalgic packaging style of [[Kenner]]'s ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' action figures from the late 1970s to early '80s.
{{--}}

===Eaglemoss===
* '''Transformers Gen-1 Chess Set''' (<s>2021</s>)
:In the planned [[Chess#Eaglemoss|Transformers Chess Set]] by [[Eaglemoss]], a relatively large and very well detailed statue of Blitzwing was slated to be one of the Rook pieces on the Decepticon side.

:A Kickstarter campaign to raise the necessary funds for this project was launched, but failed to meet its goal by September 24, 2021 and the whole thing was canceled.
{{canceledtoy}}
{{--}}

===''Pop!''===
*'''Blitzwing''' ([[Funko Pop!#Digital Pop! NFTs|Digital ''Pop!'']], 2022)
**''Rarity:''
***''Monochrome'': '''Common'''
***''Static'': '''Common'''
***''Glowing'': '''Uncommon'''
***''Chrome'': '''Uncommon'''
***''Original'': '''Epic'''
:{{W|Non-fungible token|NFTs}} depicting Blitzwing in the Funko style.
<center><gallery heights=200px>
File:TRANSFORMERS_COMMON_BLITZWING_MONOCHROME.gif
File:TRANSFORMERS_COMMON_BLITZWING_STATIC.gif|Changes from statue to statue...''to statue''!
File:TRANSFORMERS_UNCOMMON_BLITZWING_GLOW.gif
File:TRANSFORMERS_UNCOMMON_BLITZWING_PURPLECHROME.gif
File:TRANSFORMERS_EPIC_BLITZWING_ORIGINAL.gif
</gallery></center>

{{-}}{{anchor|PopDigital}}
*'''Blitzwing''' (2024)
**''Rarity:'' '''Legendary'''
**''ID number:'' '''264'''

:Released as part of the second wave of the ''Pop! Digital'' segment, [[Funko Pop!|Funko]]'s ''Pop!'' Blizwing is a super deformed vinyl figure based on his original Generation 1 toy.

:This figure is limited to 2000 units and can only be acquired by collecting and redeeming digital tokens.
{{-}}

===''Magic: The Gathering''===
[[File:MTG-Blitzwing.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Blitzwing, Cruel Tormentor / Blitzwing, Adaptive Assailant''' (2022)
**''ID number:'' '''004/015'''
**''Set code:'' '''BOT'''
**''Color identity:'' '''Black'''
**''Casting cost:'' '''{5}{B}''' (front), '''{3}{B}''' (back)

:"Blitzwing, Cruel Tormentor" is part of the 2022 ''[[Magic: The Gathering]]'' ''[[mtg:Universes Beyond|Universes Beyond]]'' ''[[mtg:Transformers|Transformers]]'' card set, found in Set Booster and Collector Booster packs of ''Magic''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> ''[[mtg:The Brothers' War|The Brothers' War]]'' set. It can be reversed to become "Blitzwing, Adaptive Assailant", representing Blitzwing in vehicle mode.
:A variant of this card was available solely in Collector Booster packs, depicting [[Blitzwing (SG)#Magic: The Gathering|''Shattered Glass'' Blitzwing]].
{{-}}
===''Blokees''===
====Defender Version====
[[File:Blokees-TF-Defender-04-Blitzwing.jpg|thumb|250px|"Why don't you four scrapheaps give me my gun(s) back...AND HANDS OFF IT!"]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' (2025)}}</ul>
:*''Series:'' '''Galaxy Version Defender 04 - Tyrant's Fury'''
:*''Accessories'': scimitar

:Released for the fourth wave of the ''Defender Version'' line of blind boxes, ''[[Blokees]]'' Blitzwing is a 2.2-inch (5.5cm) articulated, and non-transforming "chibi-style" snap-on model kit, a few inches smaller than the ''Galaxy Version'' kits, but still articulated. He comes with only his signature scimitar. Unlike most Defender kits, Blitzwing features a single-piece head that blends with the molded neck collar on the torso.

:Although Blitzwing doesn't include his Gyro-Blaster Rifle, he can use weapons from other kits, such as Sideswipe's, as they are molded to resemble his rifle.
{{-}}

====Galaxy Version====
[[File:Blokees-TF-GV08-Blitzwing.jpg|thumb|250px]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Blitzwing''' (2025)}}</ul>
:*''Series:'' '''Galaxy Version 08 - One Shall Fall'''
:*''Accessories'': 2 pairs of hands (Item-holding, splayed open-palm), Rifle, Scimitar

:Part of the eighth wave of Blokees' Galaxy Version blindbox kits, this Blitzwing is a roughly 4-inch-tall version of the Decepticon Triple Changer. He is built on a "Standard Body" skeleton shared with other Blokees figures in the line, but with different body pieces to make them distinct. As advertised in the box, Blitzwing has a pull rate of 1 in every 9 boxes. Aside from the 2 pairs of hands, Blitzwing comes with his signature rifle and scimitar. In addition to the ball-jointed waist from the previous entry, Blitzwing also features updated articulation, including a slide-down hip joint axis, rotating upper thigh joints, and improved double-jointed knee articulation, similar to his wave mates.

:Because the newly designed knee joints are made to fit the narrow gaps in the thighs and lower legs, they are incompatible with joints from previous releases, including those used for the elbows.

:If you're a speed builder, be mindful when attaching the pre-assembled elbow joints; unlike the symmetrical joints from earlier waves, both ends of the pegs were meant to attach to a specific position, but it still won't affect the articulation if you're doing it wrong.

:Along with the rest of the wavemates, Blitzwing is first revealed at Blokees' booth at the IBTE 2025 (Indonesia International Baby Products & Toys Expo) event.

{{--}}

==References==
{{reflist}}
==Notes==
*Kōjin Ōno has named the original Blitzwing as his favourite Transformers toy he designed.{{fact|source needed}}

[[Category:3D Battle-Cards]]
[[Category:Bot Shots Decepticons]]
[[Category:Construct-Bots Decepticons]]
[[Category:Decoys]]
[[Category:Construct-Bots Decepticons]]
[[Category:Generation 1 toy Decepticons]]
[[Category:Generations]]
[[Category:Headmasters]]
[[Category:Kre-O Decepticons]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:Legacy Decepticons]]
[[Category:Legends Decepticons]]
[[Category:Platinum Edition]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]] 
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]
[[Category:SDCC exclusives]]
[[Category:Studio Series Decepticons]]
[[Category:Titans Return Decepticons]]
[[Category:Triple Changers]]
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2026-04-28T06:28:50Z

Poliwag06: /* When does controversy surrounding a figure prove worthy enough to mention? */

User:Poliwag06

2026-04-28T05:59:19Z

Poliwag06: /* TF collection (actively in use) */

A young from Singapore, Gen Z member. As the name implies pokemon is also a past time.
==TF collection (actively in use) ==

*[[Weirdwolf (G1)#Titans_Return|Titans Return Wolfwire]] with [[Monzo#Titans_Return|Monzo]]
*[[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)#McDonald's|McDonald's ''Cyberverse'' Bumblebee]]
*[[Prowl (Animated)#Legacy|''Legacy Evolution'' ''Animated'' Prowl]]. Why transformation so hard?
*[[Sureshot (G1)#Age of the Primes|''Age of the Primes'' Sureshot]] (and [[Spoilsport#Age of the Primes|Spoilsport]]). At least he's not [[Pointblank#Legacy|Pointblank]].
*[[Quickstrike (BW)#Age of the Primes|''Age of the Primes'' Quickstrike]]: Early 2026 DX of the year
*[[Waspinator (BW)/toys#War_for_Cybertron:_Kingdom|Kingdom Waspinator]]. Why isn't he a [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System|Weaponizer]]?
*[[Gears (G1)#Legacy|''Legacy'' Gears]]: Best fig in my collection?
===Stored at my grandma's house===
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)#Universe_.282008.29|''Universe'' Animated Bumblebee]]. The oldest surviving fig in my collection.
*[[Drift (G1)#Generations|''Generations'' Drift]]-another old toy. Often flipped his hip skirts out in car mode to fly him around-[[Tracks (G1)|didn't know such a thing existed]].
*[[Roadbuster (G1)#Generations|''Thrilling 30'' Roadbuster]]. Liked his missile laumcher msd heft.
*[[Blades (G1)#Transformers_.282014.29|Blades]] and [[Hot Spot (G1)#Transformers_.282014.29|Hot Spot]]. I'll never understand why Hot Spot is blue. Also why is blades so hard to transform?
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Leader_Class_toys_5|Leader Class ''Age of Extinction'' Prime]]-tallest fig as I lack a Commander or bigger toy
*[[Crosshairs (AOE)#PowerBattler|Power Battler Crosshairs]]. Why did he get a fist?
*"Fauxcanicus"
**[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#PowerOfThePrimes|''Power Of The Prime's Grimlock'']]: Forms the torso.
**[[Swoop (G1)/toys#PowerOfThePrimes|''Power Of the Primes'' Swoop]]. Nowadays [[Swoop (Cyberverse)|portrayed as a fembot]]-I only have one other [[Strongarm (RID)#Team_Combiners|fembot]] otherwise.
**[[Slag (G1)/toys#PowerOfThePrimes|''Power Of The Primes'' Slug]]. Often form drill arm with Grimlock.
**[[Dreadwind (G1)#PowerOfThePrimes|''Power Of The Primes': Dreadwind]]. Shouldn't be here, but [[Jazz (G1)/toys#PowerOfThePrimes|Jazz's instructions said so]]. Often used as a secondary flier.
**Jazz: Very banged up, missing a tyre, missing head, combiner joint rusty (has since completely degraded).
*[[Springload (RID)#Legion|RID Legion Springload]] and [[Starscream (WFC)/toys#Legion|his wavemate]]. Can combine to form Springscream.
*[[Ultra Bee#toys|Ultra Bee]]
*[[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#War_for_Cybertron:_Kingdom|''Kingdom'' Wheeljack]]. First and only fig acquired from Kiddy Palace before their TF license got revoked.
*[[Tricranius#Toys|''Kingdom'' Tricranius]]. Got him for the [[Fire Blast effect|blooshes]], but otherwise yeah he's pretty fun.
*[[Brawn (G1)/toys#Studio_Series|''Studio Series'' 86 Brawn]]. Transformation cool.
*[[Blue Booster#Toys|Blue Booster]] and [[Wingtail#Toys|Wingtail]]: Car > Plane. Wingtaol is currently at my house to be the flying power shroom for Sureshot.
*[[Tiny Turbo Changers]]: Pulled [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Tiny_Turbo_Changers|Prime]], [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Tiny_Turbo_Changers]], [[Hot_Rod_(G1)/toys#Tiny_Turbo_Changers|Hot Rod]], [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Tiny_Turbo_Changers|Wheeljack]].
*[[Venom (G1)#Age of the Primes|''Age of the Primes'' Venin]]
*[[Bomb-Burst (G1)#Legacy|''Legacy'' Bomb-Burst]]. Got the original release as opposed to the PR by mistake. Oh well.
*[[Gnaw (G1)#Studio Series|''Studio Series'' Gnaw]]. Bitey.
*[[Tasmania Kid#Legacy|''Legacy'' Tasmania Kid]]

User:Poliwag06

2026-04-28T05:56:51Z

Poliwag06:

A young from Singapore, Gen Z member. As the name implies pokemon is also a past time.
==TF collection (actively in use) ==

*[[Weirdwolf (G1)#Titans_Return|Titans Return Wolfwire]] with [[Monzo#Titans_Return|Monzo]]
*[[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)#McDonald's|McDonald's ''Cyberverse'' Bumblebee]]
*[[Prowl (Animated)#Legacy|''Legacy Evolution'' ''Animated'' Prowl]]. Why transformation so hard?
*[[Sureshot (G1)#Age of the Primes|''Age of the Primes'' Sureshot]] (and [[Spoilsport#Age of the Primes|Spoilsport]]). At least he's not [[Pointblank#Legacy|Pointblank]].
*[[Quickstrike (BW)#Age of the Primes|''Age of the Primes'' Quickstrike]]: Early 2026 DX of the year
*[[Waspinator (BW)/toys#War_for_Cybertron:_Kingdom|Kingdom Waspinator]]. Why isn't he a [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System|Weaponizer]]?
*[[Gears (G1)#Legacy|''Legacy'' Gears]]: Best fig in my collection?
===Stored at my grandma's house===
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)#Universe_.282008.29|''Universe'' Animated Bumblebee]]. The oldest surviving fig in my collection.
*[[Drift (G1)#Generations|''Generations'' Drift]]-another old toy. Often flipped his hip skirts out in car mode to fly him around-[[Tracks (G1)|didn't know such a thing existed]].
*[[Roadbuster (G1)#Generations|''Thrilling 30'' Roadbuster]]. Liked his missile laumcher msd heft.
*[[Blades (G1)#Transformers_.282014.29|Blades]] and [[Hot Spot (G1)#Transformers_.282014.29|Hot Spot]]. I'll never understand why Hot Spot is blue. Also why is blades so hard to transform?
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Leader_Class_toys_5|Leader Class ''Age of Extinction'' Prime]]-tallest fig as I lack a Commander or bigger toy
*[[Crosshairs (AOE)#PowerBattler|Power Battler Crosshairs]]. Why did he get a fist?
*"Fauxcanicus"
**[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#PowerOfThePrimes|''Power Of The Prime's Grimlock'']]: Forms the torso.
**[[Swoop (G1)/toys#PowerOfThePrimes|''Power Of the Primes'' Swoop]]. Nowadays [[Swoop (Cyberverse)|portrayed as a fembot]]-I only have one other [[Strongarm (RID)#Team_Combiners|fembot]] otherwise.
**[[Slag (G1)/toys#PowerOfThePrimes|''Power Of The Primes'' Slug]]. Often form drill arm with Grimlock.
**[[Dreadwind (G1)#PowerOfThePrimes|''Power Of The Primes': Dreadwind]]. Shouldn't be here, but [[Jazz (G1)/toys#PowerOfThePrimes|Jazz's instructions said so]]. Often used as a secondary flier.
**Jazz: Very banged up, missing a tyre, missing head, combiner joint rusty (has since completely degraded).
*[[Springload (RID)#Legion|RID Legion Springload]] and [[Starscream (WFC)/toys#Legion|his wavemate]]. Can combine to form Springscream.
*[[Ultra Bee#toys|Ultra Bee]]
*[[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#War_for_Cybertron:_Kingdom|''Kingdom'' Wheeljack]]. First and only fig acquired from Kiddy Palace before their TF license got revoked.
*[[Tricranius#Toys|''Kingdom'' Tricranius]]. Got him for the [[Fire Blast effect|blooshes]], but otherwise yeah he's pretty fun.
*[[Brawn (G1)/toys#Studio_Series|''Studio Series'' 86 Brawn]]. Transformation cool.
*[[Blue Booster#Toys|Blue Booster]] and [[Wingtail#Toys|Wingtail]]: Car > Plane. Wingtaol is currently at my house to be the flying power shroom for Sureshot.
*[[Tiny Turbo Changers]]: Pulled [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Tiny_Turbo_Changers|Prime]], [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Tiny_Turbo_Changers]], [[Hot_Rod_(G1)/toys#Tiny_Turbo_Changers|Hot Rod]], [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Tiny_Turbo_Changers|Wheeljack]].
*[[Venin (G1)#Age of the Primes|''Age of the Primes'' Venin]]
*[[Bomb-Burst (G1)#Legacy|''Legacy'' Bomb-Burst]]. Got the original release as opposed to the PR by mistake. Oh well.
*[[Gnaw (G1)#Studio Series|''Studio Series'' Gnaw]]. Bitey.
*[[Tasmania Kid (BW)#Legacy|''Legacy'' Tasmania Kid]]

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2026-04-28T05:22:53Z

Poliwag06: /* When does controversy surrounding a figure prove worthy enough to mention? */

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2026-04-28T05:12:09Z

Poliwag06: /* When does controversy surrounding a figure prove worthy enough to mention? */

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2026-04-28T05:05:51Z

Poliwag06:

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2026-04-28T04:52:33Z

Poliwag06: /* When does controversy surrounding a figure prove worthy enough to mention? */

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2026-04-28T03:40:48Z

Poliwag06: /* When does controversy surrounding a figure prove worthy enough to mention? */

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2026-04-28T02:37:33Z

Poliwag06: /* When does controversy surrounding a figure prove worthy enough to mention? */ new section

Talk:Transformers One (film)

2026-04-26T02:10:46Z

Poliwag06:

==Caption theme==
Just putting it out there - the caption theme for this page HAS to be quotes from the 2007 movie, right? Bring us full circle? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 21:09, 27 April 2023 (EDT)
:For once, I think TFTM would be an appropriate theme. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 22:17, 27 April 2023 (EDT)
::We already do that on the '07 page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:30, 27 April 2023 (EDT)
:Some sort of prequel film - Revenge of the Sith, maybe, if a third Star Wars movie isn't pushing it. But we've only just gotten a cast and a reminder that this is still happening, it's too early to make a real call. [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 03:24, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
::I have an idea, captions from ''The Super Mario Bros. Movie''. Considering that this movie is getting the same treatment for the cast as that movie did. Energizier 02:25, 3 July 2023 (EDT)
:::Brought this up on the Discord and am now bringing it up here. My suggestion for a caption theme is one even more thematically appropriate than Revenge of the Sith in regards to the friendship and falling out of Orion and D-16: '''The Prince of Egypt'''. ''[None of the following are spoilers as we could tell all of this from the trailers:]'' It even has an oppressed people working as forced labor by a corrupt authority, and the lead protagonist being divinely chosen to be the new leader and liberator of the oppressed. The movie's full of quotable lines. And quotable lyrics, being a musical too (It's the greatest animated movie DreamWorks has ever made, IMHO). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 01:59, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
::::Seconded! --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 02:58, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:::::Sounds good to me. --[[User: PublicCrown|PublicCrown]] ([[User talk: PublicCrown|talk]]) 9:05, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
::::::I was thinking of doing that myself. --[[User:Cydra|Cydra]] ([[User talk:Cydra|talk]]) 09:56, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:::::::Agree. Can we already start writing quotes from it?--[[User: Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk: Grievous Prime|talk]]) 10:26, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
::::::::I do still think 2007 quotes are funny, but I don't hate this. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 10:41, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:::::::::While having 07 quotes would be funny and brings us back to the start of the movie side (many scenes could easily have the "You left me no choice, brother," caption), given that Transformers has evolved into mythological and biblical storytelling but with Cars, Robots, and Primes, having a Prince of Egypt theme for the captions is absolutely fitting. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] ([[User talk:Singularity|talk]]) 12:31, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

==Split characters?==
Just based on the trailer that just dropped, this film's aesthetic and characterisations are radically different from the two live action movie continuities, so should the characters be considered separate and given new pages (example; Optimus Prime (One), Sentinel Prime (One), etc) rather than share them with the already established film character pages? --[[User:Prime Temple|Prime Temple]] ([[User talk:Prime Temple|talk]]) 22:23, 20 April 2023 (EDT)
:No. The difference in characterisations is probably intentional as part of it being a prequel, with them changing dramatically over time. That and the art style do not overwrite the fact that the film is being treated by official sources as a prequel to the already existing films. We can note where details may not line up but unless the creators say otherwise they're considered the same characters here. [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 07:36, 20 April 2024 (EDT)
::Also, there is no such thing as "two live action movie continuities". We already covered a lot this whole topic since 2018. See [[Misconceptions_and_urban_legends_about_Transformers#Bumblebee|here]]. [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 09:06, 20 April 2024 (EDT)
: No. For the billionth time, that's not how this wiki works. Characters are split up by ''major real world franchise'', not "piece of media's internal continuity (or lack thereof)". Otherwise we'd be splitting out every single character's comic-vs-cartoon selves, among other useless divisions that'd only make this wiki more bloated and hard to find information on. And as noted above, this movie is being treated by the makers of ALL these movies as a prequel to said movies. In the RARE instances of "internal" splits (like Wheeljack), those came WELL after the actual piece of media was released, and after a LOT of talk from the makers of said films as to whether or not those are the same characters or not. Not based on "vibes" from a single trailer months before we knew anything of actual substance. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:10, 20 April 2024 (EDT)

I don't really wade into these discussions anymore but my feelings are that as long as Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg remain executive producers, there's really no point to it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:36, 20 April 2024 (EDT)

I see that a lot of new characters have been added, but I don’t see a source. [[User:Chip|Chip]] ([[User talk:Chip|talk]]) 14:36, 26 July 2024 (EDT)

:Hi there folks! As Di Bonaventura confirmed the movie is not directly connected to the live action series but it still has some ties with them (and future movies will as well) I've just created [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/One|a possible page format for Optimus Prime]] that could be applied to the other characters who appeared/will appear in this universe. I took inspiration from the IDW/Marvel Comics style of division you made for the G1 characters in their respective pages. To put it simple: same continuity family, different universe. Keep in mind I wrote it as nothing more than an example/experiment (not as anything definitive) so we could discuss how to treat each character of the ''One universe'' individually in relation to the rest of the movie family. I see no problem in deleting the page if necessary. (Sorry if I made some grammar mistakes - english is not my first language). I'll post the link here again for more clarity: [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/One]]. [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]), 14 September 2024
::If we're doing this, we're not going to bother with suites. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 23:33, 14 September 2024 (EDT)
:::Ok, may I ask you why? :) I think it's a great division what you made with the G1 characters. And I suppose it could work as well with the One characters as they are still technically movie characters made by the same studio responsible for the other films. Just animated instead of live-action [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]), 23:36, 14 September 2024
:::Of course I understand if that's the case, suites would be made only for major, prominent ''big one'' characters who have a lot to do plot-wise, not cameos and/or secondary characters like [[Sunstreaker (ROTF)|Sunstreaker]]. [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]), 23:43, 14 September 2024
:::I also made [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Megatron_(Movie)&oldid=1783486 this edit] for an alternative way without the use of suites. Lemme know what you think!:) [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]), 23:53, 14 September 2024
::::I mean we're just going to use "(One)" articles. This is overcomplicating things. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 00:32, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
::::We haven't even decided yet if the One characters are going to still be classified as "movie continuity family" or split off to entirely separate pages. And even if we do keep them grouped together, we wouldn't suite them off; that has NEVER been what suites are for. Suites are only to be implemented when a section of a page is so big that it overwhelms the page, something that ''absolutely '''does not''''' apply to the One characters right now. Everybody please, for the love of all that is holy, stop jumping the gun. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 02:17, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:::::THANK YOU. Oy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 03:22, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
::::::I didn't jump on any gun. Did you read what I wrote? I never intended for my edits to be definitive in any way. Those were really just examples I submitted to your attention in order to discuss it civilly together. [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Megatron_(Movie)&oldid=1783486 I did edits to Megatron page as well] which didn't include any suites as Cyberlink previously explained in this very discussion that we can leave the One characters in the same page of their Movie namesakes just in separate sections below the live-action area as part of the same continuity '''''family''''', similar to how characters in Marvel G1, Cartoon G1 and IDW 2005 G1 share a page despite being separate universes. If I ever wanted to, as you say, "jump on the gun" I would have already made extensive edits and/or add suites for every One characters in the first place without the general consense. I even explained how I was ok with my edits being reverted and I even proposed an alternative suite-less solution (again see Megatron page), so I don't really understand all the animosity here. [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]), 05:53, 15 September 2024

A formal discussion has been opened [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#Transformers One and the conversation we've all been waiting for|here]], please weigh in with your thoughts. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 08:59, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

==New Continuity Confirmed==
Josh Cooley himself has confirmed that One is its own continuity, and not part of the live action film series. https://twitter.com/CooleyUrFaceOff/status/1817235351095894510
[[User:Jmcdavid|Jmcdavid]] ([[User talk:Jmcdavid|talk]]) 16:49, 27 July 2024 (EDT)
:We're still choosing to wait until the movie is out and we have the full picture to make the decision how to organize things. Even if it's a new continuity, which is likely where things will end up, we may still choose to keep it as part of the same continuity '''''family''''', similar to how characters in Marvel G1 and Cartoon G1 share a page despite being separate continuities. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:20, 27 July 2024 (EDT)
: Really tired of this dance. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:36, 27 July 2024 (EDT)
: Marvel G1 and Cartoon G1 are part of the family due to shared characters and aesthetic. One is a potpourri of aesthetics, with radically different stories from the tie-in comics for the Bay films, and characters like Airachnid who originated from different continuities. Stop trying to make the Bay films an all-consuming black hole for other Transformers films. [[User:Jmcdavid|Jmcdavid]] ([[User talk:Jmcdavid|talk]]) 17:47, 27 July 2024 (EDT)
::G1 as we categorize it is also a potpourri of aesthetics at this point. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:49, 27 July 2024 (EDT)
:::Unless a bunch of Movieverse characters die and stay dead through the end of One, I don't see how there's anything that would be strong enough to make us knock it out of the already very self-contradicting Movieverse. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:03, 27 July 2024 (EDT)
::Thank you for admitting that this isn't about following how the wiki has organized things for nearly two decades, but "wah Michael Bay". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:12, 27 July 2024 (EDT)
:Same Josh Cooley that on April 18 when asked whether the film is a fresh start, a prequel to the live-action films, or its own thing, replied with: "yes to all of the above" https://comicbook.com/movies/news/transformers-one-director-confirms-new-movies-canon-status. For God's sake stop. Just stop. If we'd categorize the medias solely based on our opinions and/or feelings there would be billions, no wait - '''trillions''', of continuities. Have you seen how many errors, discrepancies and changes of aesthetic there are in the G1 tv series? Then every single episode of the cartoon should be in its own separate canon. Like every studio Hollywood doesn't care about logic, just one thing: money. They kept elements of both the Bay and Knight/Caple movies. The change of aesthetic is irrelevant as much as it was for Origins Wolverine and First Class back in the 2010s for the X-Men movies. [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 10:52, 30 July 2024 (EDT)
:There's a difference between a change in general aesthetic and a simple animation error. Also, in a now deleted tweet, [https://twitter.com/SixoTF Sixo] and the [https://twitter.com/Triple_Takeover Triple Takeover podcast] talked to Lorenzo and he was very clear and on board with the movie being in a new continuity. The fact it was deleted makes things complicated, but I saved screenshots of the whole thing. -[[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]]) 19:01, 30 July 2024 (EDT)
::The Aligned continuity changed its "general aesthetic" with every single series, but we don't claim they're irreconcilable just because ''Prime'' looks different from ''Rescue Bots''. I'm another vote in favor of waiting for the movie to actually come out so we can see how much it actually contradicts before we do anything. Also, if you have evidence someone said a relevant thing, post it. Just saying you have screenshots and then not presenting them does nothing to forward your case. --[[User:Ookalf|Ookalf]] ([[User talk:Ookalf|talk]]) 19:39, 30 July 2024 (EDT)
::I'll join the discord and post them later. Also, the trailers show the Tomb of the Primes ON Cybertron, meaning they're already dead. Look at the Matrix of Leadership, too. They both can't be on Earth at the same time, since Earth hasn't even formed yet. You can tell at a glance TFOne isn't connected to anything. -[[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]]) 20:17, 30 July 2024 (EDT)
::Again, every continuity error is irrelevant as long as the makers of the movies (who share intellectual property with Hasbro, and have a higher saying on the matter than us) treat the final product as part of an already established series. One thing is having a [[personal canon]] supported by fan theories, the other thing is blatantly spreading false and un-confirmed information. I'd like to remember that this wiki is NOT an official website created and supported by either Hasbro and/or Paramount. As such we have literally no right to decide what's canon or not on our own. What we ''can do'' however is writing a specific section in the movie's page where we describe all the inconsistencies and odd creative choices made by Hasbro/Paramount that make hard to see the series as a consistent universe as a whole. Just like we did [[Bumblebee_(film)#Continuity_notes|here]] and [[Transformers:_Rise_of_the_Beasts_(film)#Continuity_notes|here]]. [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 20:38, 30 July 2024 (EDT)

Why is it labelled as Live Action? Isn't it animated CGI? [[User:Gwl|GWL]] ([[User talk:Gwl|talk]]) 11:23, 20 August 2024 (EDT)
:Just finished. Score 1 for not bayverse: someone who is supposed to survive in it died (can't disclose for spoiler reasons).[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 04:48, 14 September 2024 (EDT)
::'''Movie 1:''' The [[AllSpark]] is the Transformers' source of life, Megatron started the War in order to take control of the cube and Bumblebee talks at the end of [[Mission City]] battle - '''AOE:''' the Transformers are artificially built by the "[[Creator]]s", '''ROTF:''' [[The Fallen]] started the War because he wanted to harvest energon on inhabited worlds, '''TLK:''' Optimus states he didn't hear Bee's voice since they left Cybertron together (which ironically ties up with 2018's ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' movie intro sequence).
::I mean, this movie series has always been full of contradictions ''especially'' under Bay's era. I don't think doing a score of how many times they broke continuity is of any help. We could go on for all day. As for now, I suggest to stick to official statements made by Cooley and Di Bonaventura themselves and to wait for more people to see it and hear the other editors' opinion on the matter as well. [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 06:21, 14 September 2024 (EDT)
:::True, admittedly I probably just posted this because I had to flush it out of my system.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 07:08, 14 September 2024 (EDT)
::::Please, man. I invite you to think before adding something just for the sake of doing it. [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 07:41, 14 September 2024 (EDT)

== Characters list ==

I feel like we should maybe wait for the movie to come out before confirming characters inside this movie, in case some of the trailer clips are either a) deleted scenes b) just generics dressed as G1 characters to either troll us or just be something for the fandom to go hunt for like the Mario movie.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 19:15, 20 August 2024 (EDT)
:These characters are all seen and/or named in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtydsGqfda8 an official clip uploaded by Paramount Brasil]. We didn't get them from a trailer. [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 19:41, 20 August 2024 (EDT)
::Yeah but I'm still very sceptical. If anything, using a nameless template on the new characters makes me feel more comfortable due to how speculative it feels to me.

....or maybe I should just relent and accept the truth that it is them, as my own anxiety about what I said and their impact creeped up on my back...[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 19:56, 20 August 2024 (EDT) (edited 20:06, 20 August 2024 (EDT))

::: Yeah, I think it's best we drop this conversation entirely, it's giving me undue amounts of stress and gonna make me unable to watch the movie as a result.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 20:46, 20 August 2024 (EDT)

I'm sorry, I'm not sure that dropping the conversation entirely is on the table. You neutered a huge character list of confirmed characters because of your stress? Come on. I say this as someone diagnosed with clinical anxiety.... this isn't that big of a deal. It's a movie. We got a clip that confirmed certain characters. We should add them. I don't see how any of this should be affecting you negatively. We definitely shouldn't be purposefully leaving articles about major releases incomplete because of it. --[[User:LordGigaIce|LordGigaIce]] ([[User talk:LordGigaIce|talk]]) 13:23, 21 August 2024 (EDT)
:The list wasn't removed due to any user's stress, it's because not all the information was fully verifiable. While some characters are clearly visible, others are only names on a list and can't be distinguished from the crowd; we generally don't log characters that are only mentioned but don't actually appear. Besides, nothing saying we can't hit revert and bring it back after the movie comes out, but we'd rather have an incomplete list than one with inaccurate information. (Incidentally, now that people are getting early screenings and leaked information is getting out there, we'll likely be locking the page soon until release day, as we've done with past movie articles, as a courtesy to other readers who don't want the movie spoiled before it's actually released.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:09, 21 August 2024 (EDT)
::Ok, but I'd like to remember you that there are a lot of pages on this wiki about characters who barely made an appearence (either by a quick cameo or a simple name on a screen) in the various media. Like the Autobots depicted in the[[Heroes of Cybertron]] trading card series which Wedge owns in Rescue Bots Academy, [[Tuneup]], [[Megatron (SG BB)|SG Movie Megatron]], [[Waspinator (ROTB)|ROTB Waspinator]] etc. I agree with you about waiting until the movie's release to add the new characters but still, I wouldn't delete their pages either. -- [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 18:11, 21 August 2024 (EDT)
:::I think to split the difference let's just apply noname-nickname to all the "supposed" new character cameos who have pictures then decide what to do with them when the films home media comes out (logic being people can rewind and double check unlike in a cinema where they can't do that), as for the ones that are just names, well, I've got nothing.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 20:24, 22 August 2024 (EDT)
::::Hey, now that the film's out, what are we gonna do about the racers from the Iacon 5000 from that clip? [[User:B-Master2020|B-Master2020]] ([[User talk:B-Master2020|talk]]) 20:43, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
:::::We're currently working to figure out a way to list them without bloating either the character table or the notes section. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:04, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

== Transformation cogs ==

Did anyone catch what bot got what transformation cog? I feel like it was probably possible to track who got what, but it was short enough I missed it. [[User:ZeroSD|ZeroSD]] ([[User talk:ZeroSD|talk]]) 02:33, 8 October 2024 (EDT)
:If the animation is to be believed, D-16 got Prima, Elita got Alchemist, Orion got Micronus, and B-127 got Onyx. — [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 03:02, 8 October 2024 (EDT)

== Primus being based on 3P figure ==

In case it gets contested, I made a picture ([https://imgur.com/a/a0gTIZb imgur link]) comparing the ''One'' Primus design with the 01 Studio Seed figure and the Ultimate Guide artwork. One's forearms, thighs, and shins have details that are very specifically based on the sculpt of the 01 Studio figure, which aren't present on the Ultimate art. It even has the wider feet with the kibble flap over them like the 3P figure. –[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 02:59, 23 October 2024 (EDT)
:So given that movies take a long time to make I am doing some googling to lay out that toy's production timeline here for context:
::*It appears reviews for this thing started popping up around February 2024.
::*The [https://m.weibo.cn/status/NntErAgQN?jumpfrom=weibocom product image gallery] currently all up in google images debuted October 11, 2023.
::*The [https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/01-studio-01s02-seed-primus.1231285/page-17#post-21498961 first color test shots] apparently went up around July 2023.
:As already noted on the page, the hard cutoff for ''One''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s animation production is June 18, 2024. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 15:43, 23 October 2024 (EDT)
:The similiarities between Seed and One Primus' legs (and dissimilarities with any official Primus) are kind of irrefutable. There are aspects to One Primus that are definitely only from the Cybertron toy, but the legs look copy-pasted, essentially, from Seed Primus. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 16:00, 23 October 2024 (EDT)

== New Released ILM Concept Art ==

ILM just released new concept art giving really good visuals, particularly of the [[Thirteen]]. Would it be against the wiki's policy to start uploading concept art onto relevant pages?

https://www.ilm.com/art-department/transformers-one-concept-art/

--[[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 16:02, 9 November 2024 (EST)
:That process has actually already started. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:36, 9 November 2024 (EST)

== Quotes section is getting long ==

The quotes section is becoming ''absurdly'' long IMO. It's already more than double that of any past movie's quote section, currently at a whopping 1898 words and 201 lines, with many almost transcribing entire scenes. I also feel like there are multiple quotes that capture the same idea, like the first ''four'' quotes about D-16 and Orion's friendship or having two from D-16 challenging Starscream. I might take a shot at doing some trimming myself but thought it'd be good to bring it up on the talk page first. —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 02:03, 27 November 2024 (EST)
:Chop it down with impunity. This happens every time new media comes out. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 03:16, 27 November 2024 (EST)

==TF1 disambig?==
Wikipedia has a disambig for the 07 movie and the 86 movie from their page on this one. Shoild we do the same or do we trust the readers know what they're talking about when they search "Transformers One"? (Or at least the 07 movie because I dont know whos searching the 86 movie as "transformers 1")[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 22:10, 25 April 2026 (EDT)

Skullcruncher (Cyberverse)

2026-04-19T23:03:01Z

Poliwag06: /* Notes */ linked to right toy

{{factions|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Skullcruncher}}
:''Skullcruncher is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Cyberverse]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Skullcruncher-Cyberverse-Boulder-model.jpg|thumb|upright=2|He got hungry and ate [[Grax]], now he's stuck in [[Croctobot]] mode.]]

'''Skullcruncher''' is a crocodile-bot. He's a bit out of control.

==Fiction==
===''Cyberverse'' cartoon===
[[File:Cyberverse - The Judge - Skullcruncher Hungers.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66||"Why, the bayou's the best jazz school in the world. All greats play the riverboats."]]
Some cycles before the Autobots and Decepticons returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Skullcruncher found his way into the depths of the inactive [[Iaconus]]. [[Maccadam]] let him stay to keep out the "riff-raff".

During the [[Quintesson]]s' occupation of Cybertron, Skullcruncher attacked [[Perceptor (Cyberverse)|Perceptor]], making him lose an arm in the process. As Perceptor met up with his comrades in search of Iaconus' cloaking module, Skullcruncher secretly followed them before attacking [[Clobber (Cyberverse)|Clobber]]. Using the techniques they honed in the training simulation, the other Cybertronians freed Clobber and escaped Skullcruncher. He later made one last lunge at the intruders only to get smacked by Maccadam, send him running off. {{storylink|The Citizen}}

After the Titan's cloak was deactivated, Skullcruncher battled a horde of [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]]s and [[Prosecutor (Cyberverse)|Prosecutor]]s alongside [[Grimlock (Cyberverse)|Grimlock]], [[Alpha Strike]], and [[Kup (Cyberverse)|Kup]], during which he let the latter hitch a ride on his back. {{storylink|The Judge (episode)|The Judge}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===''Cyberverse''===
[[File:Cyberverse-Skullcruncher-01.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Hey look, my Crocodile head is less alien! Wait what's up with my face-]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Skullcruncher''' (Ultra Class, [[2020]]-[[2021]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Blaster, sword/tail

: The sole figure released in the eighth wave of ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]]'' Ultra figures, Skullcruncher transforms into a robotic crocodile. His tail has a flip-out blade to become a hand-held sword in robot mode. In robot mode, his energon armor gimmick flips a large crocodile-head-helmet over his robot head, with his robot face peeking out of the mouth. The energon helmet has an articulated jaw that can open via a tab on the back.

: Like most latter-wave ''Cyberverse'' Ultras, Skullcruncher boasts a greater level of articulation than most figures in the same toyline.

:Skullcruncher was released twice: First in 2020 under the ''Bumblebee: Cyberverse Adventures'' subline imprint, and then again in 2021 in the line's final ''Dinobots Unite'' subline imprint packaging refresh.

==Notes==
*Skullcruncher's design is heavily inspired by his [[Skullcruncher (G1)|Generation 1 counterpart]]'s [[Titans Return (toyline)|''Titans Return'']] [[Skullcruncher (G1)#Titans_Return|toy]].
*Though Skullcruncher lacks a faction insignia in the cartoon, the toyline and concept artwork identify him as a Decepticon.
*''Cyberverse'' writer [[Mae Catt]] referred to Skullcruncher as female during an online Q&A,<ref name="Q+A">"[https://shikai-the-storyteller.tumblr.com/post/613237429097365504/i-absolutely-didnt-go-back-through-and-edit-this Transformers: Cyberverse – Mae Catt Q&A Session (Unedited Edition)]", 21 March 2020</ref> but the character is identified as male by Maccadam when he says "He snuck in here a few millennia ago..." about Skullcruncher in "[[The Citizen]]".
*According to Catt, Skullcruncher works as the bouncer in Maccadam's after Perceptor took over the bar.<ref name="Q+A" />

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Cyberverse Decepticons]]
[[Category:Variable gender characters]]

Hot Rod (disambiguation)

2026-04-19T22:57:48Z

Poliwag06: /* Full list of Hot Rods */

{{disambig}}
[[File:RG1 93 rodimii.jpg|upright=2|thumb|Crisis on Infinite Hot Rods!]]
[[Autobot]]s named '''Hot Rod''' live up to the name... cocky, brash, and ready to roll out at a moment's notice.

Many of them eventually take the name '''[[Rodimus (disambiguation)|Rodimus]]''', sometimes '''Rodimus Prime'''.

{{TOCclear}}

==Major Hot Rods==
<center><gallery widths="150px" heights="165px">
File:Void Rivals 15 Big Time Collectibles Cover A.jpg|[[Hot Rod (G1)|"Generation 1" Hot Rod]] <hr>''[[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel]] • [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cartoon]] • [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|IDW (2005)]] • [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Toys]]
File:TLK-Hot-Rod-art.jpg|[[Hot Rod (DOTM)|''The Last Knight'' Hot Rod]]
File:Hot Rod Cyberverse concept.jpg|[[Hot Rod (Cyberverse)|''Cyberverse'' Hot Rod]]
</gallery></center>

==Full list of Hot Rods==
{{disamb|y=[[1986]]|[[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], aka "Rodimus", aka "Rodimus Prime", aka "Rodimus Major", the [[Autobot]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
**For this character in [[Marvel Comics continuity]], see [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity]]
**For this character in [[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]], see [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
**For this character in [[2005 IDW continuity]], see [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity]]
**For toys of this character, see [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[1990]]|The [[Hot Rod Patrol]], a hip and happening team of Autobot [[Micromaster]]s from Generation 1.}}
{{disamb|y=[[1994]]|Hotrod, the European name for ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'' [[Jolt (G2)|Jolt]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2001]]|[[Dark Hot Rod]], the evil clone of Hot Rod turned good in the Generation 1 continuity.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2002]]|Hot Rod, the Japanese ''Legends of the Microns'' name for ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2009]]|[[Hot Shot (Henkei!)|Hot Rod]], the Autobot who debuted in ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (franchise)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' and was named "Hot Shot" in English-original media.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2010]]|Hot Rod, the Autobot who would eventually rename himself [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus]] in ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2014]]|[[Hot Rodimus]], the Autobot from ''[[Transformers Cloud|Cloud]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2016]]|[[Angry Birds Transformers (mobile game)#Squads|The Hotrods]], a Squad of three [[Autobird]]s and a [[Deceptihog]] from ''[[Angry Birds Transformers (mobile game)|Angry Birds Transformers]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2017]]|[[Hot Rod (DOTM)|Hot Rod]], the Autobot Lamborghini Centenario from ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (franchise)|The Last Knight]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2018]]|[[Hot Rod (Cyberverse)|Hot Rod]], the Autobot car from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Cyberverse]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2024]]|[[Hotrod (One)|Hotrod]], the [[Iacon 5000]] racer from ''[[Transformers One (franchise)|One]]''.}}
{{disamb|y=[[2025]]|[[Hot Rod (ES)|Hot Rod]], the Autobot car from ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (franchise)|EarthSpark]]''.}}

==Media with "Hot Rod" in the title==
{{disamb|y=1986|"[[Hot Rod's Escape]]", a coloring book from [[Marvel Books]].}}
{{disamb|y=[[2016]]|"[[The Hot Rod]]", the [[BotCon 2016]] script reading.}}
{{disamb|y=2016|"[[Hot Rod Bot]]", an episode of ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Rescue Bots]]''.}}

==See also==
{{disamb|y=[[1987]]|[[Hot Rod's shuttle]] from the [[Marvel Comics continuity]].}}

==Not to be confused with...==
*[[Hot Shot (disambiguation)|Hot Shot]] (except in Japanese, see above)
*[[Red Hot]], the Autobot Micromaster firetruck of the [[Rescue Patrol (G1)|Rescue Patrol]] from Generation 1.

2026

2026-04-19T22:56:39Z

Poliwag06: Nope

{{yearofthe|2026}}
The year '''2026''' (MMXXVI) is the 43rd year of the [[Transformers brand|''Transformers'' brand]].

{{see|Transformers timeline}}

==Events==
===Fiction===
====''Legends'' comic====
[[Sixshot (G1)|Greatshot]] reunites with his old friends after being injured in the [[Silvart War]]. {{storylink|LG-EX Greatshot}}

===Non-fiction===
====Deaths====
* [[January 3]] — [[Frédéric Cerdal]]
* [[January 9]] — [[T.K. Carter]]
* [[January 19]] — [[Stefan Gossler]]
* [[January 20]] — [[Kōzō Shioya]]
* [[January 23]] — [[Sal Buscema]]
* [[January 24]] — [[Michel Barbey]]
* [[February 4]] — [[Ricardo Schnetzer]]
* [[February 21]] — [[Raymond Bouchard]]
* [[February 22]] — [[Éric Peter]]
* [[March 9]] — [[Yukie Maeda]]
* [[April 4]] — [[Marcel Guido]]
{{--}}

[[Category:Fictional events by year]]

Goldbug (SG)

2026-04-14T10:21:39Z

Poliwag06:

{{factions|sgAutobot|wreckers|hofsilver}}
{{disambig3.5|the evil Autobot Seeker|his heroic Throttlebot counterpart|Bumblebee (G1)|Goldbug}}
:''Goldbug is an evil [[Autobot]] [[Seeker (SG)|Seeker]] from the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Shattered Goldbug.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|Grrrr. Arg.]]

'''Goldbug''' was once a shiftless drifter named '''Bumblebee'''. Survival on the streets of [[Polyhex]] meant learning to become a sneak, a pickpocket, and a blackmailer, and at these things Bumblebee excelled. When [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] seized power and plunged [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] into war, Bumblebee found that life as one of Prime's brutal [[Autobot]]s suited him well—so well, in fact, that it put him on the fast track to power, and culminated in his eventual rebirth as the more powerful Goldbug.

Although he's a ruthless warrior and a capable lieutenant, Goldbug's cold demeanor masks a bubbling cauldron of private neuroses, irrational fears, and a deep, abiding well of anger. Goldbug has done everything within his power to bury his original identity and put his past behind him, but remains extremely paranoid that he is not appreciated by his peers and will be summarily replaced. When he's given—or seizes—a position of power, he'll use that newfound authority to bluster and bully his subordinates into obedience... or, when things go south, start chopping off heads until the situation improves. Fortunately for his fellow Autobots, Goldbug generally doesn't hide his open contempt for his leaders, and his commanding officers have grown accustomed to foiling his ill-conceived coups before he can deal ''too'' much damage.

{{bigquote|There’s no reasoning behind what he does. It’s all about power, while lacking '''purpose'''.|[[Wheeljack (SG)|Slicer]]|[[Shattered Glass II issue 3|''Shattered Glass II'' #3]]}}

{{--}}

==Fiction==
===Shattered Expectations===
Goldbug led [[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]] and [[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]] in a search for the ancient [[Pretender]] technology, intending to use it to give them the edge against the [[Decepticon]] insurgency. He appeared to be the leader of the trio (barely). However, their plan was foiled by the arrival of [[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]] and the [[Mayhem Suppression Squad]]. {{storylink|Shattered Expectations (SG)|Shattered Expectations}}

===Fun Publications ''Shattered Glass'' continuity===
[[File:Shatteredglasstheoldone.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2|"Sorry sir, I spaced out after 'along with'. What do I need to understand?"]]

When Bumblebee joined the Autobots, his bravery put him on the fast track to power, and when [[Seeker (SG)|Seeker]] commander [[Drench (SG)|Drench]] was "removed" by Prime, Bumblebee was rebuilt as Goldbug and took his place. <ref>BotCon 2008 Goldbug profile card</ref>

Goldbug was present at the execution of [[Rumble (SG)|Rumble]] when Optimus Prime brought their "old friend" [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] in to view the festivities. Later on, he was discussing the launch of the ''[[Ark (SG)|Ark]]'' with Prime and [[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]] in the combat training room. Goldbug mentioned that the [[Alpha Trion#Shattered Glass|Old One]] wouldn't have approved of the current plan, but Optimus quickly shot down his objections. Goldbug and the other [[Seeker (SG)|Seeker]]s defended the ''Ark''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s launch platform from Decepticon attack, but failed to stop Cliffjumper from scuttling the liftoff. {{storylink|Shattered Glass (issue)|Shattered Glass}}

When [[Wheeljack (SG)|Wheeljack]]'s new creations, the [[Dinobot (SG)|Dinobot]]s, ran amok, both Autobot and Decepticon alike were forced to chase them down before the other side could modify their A.I.s. Gotta catch 'em all. Goldbug and [[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]] located [[Swoop (SG)|Swoop]] atop an observation tower. Unfortunately, he could fly and neither of them could. Goldbug volunteered Jazz to climb up and fetch the Dinobot, but J wasn't having none of that. [[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]] and Blurr arrived and made a consensus (with laser rifles) that Jazz would be climbing. In a move that surprised no one except Jazz, Swoop took off flying the moment Prime's bodyguard laid a hand on him. Goldbug got the creature in his sights and shot it down, bringing Swoop and Jazz crashing to Earth. When Blurr inquired why Goldbug didn't just shoot the Dinobot in the first place, Goldbug shrugged and said that now they didn't have to climb up and fetch it. {{storylink|Dungeons & Dinobots}}

The ''Ark'' was finally repaired and ready for launch when Optimus Prime ran off to deal with [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]]. Goldbug and Blurr caught Rodimus fiddling with a communications console, preventing Prime from calling in. Blurr started to bluster at the insubordination, but Goldbug was willing to hear Rodimus' explanation. Rodimus argued that Optimus' obsession with Megatron was holding them all back. Cybertron was a dead world now, and with Prime out of the picture, Earth would be ripe for their taking. Goldbug agreed, and Blurr was thrown off the ship for remaining loyal to Prime.

Later, when the ''Ark'' and the ''[[Nemesis (SG)|Nemesis]]'' were locked in battle above [[Earth]], Goldbug manned the ''Ark''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s sensor station. [[Astrotrain (SG)|Astrotrain]] succeeded in severely damaging the ''Ark''. Goldbug had time to curse the coward Rodimus, who fled in an escape pod, before calling for all hands to brace for impact. {{storylink|Do Over}}

After the crash, Goldbug initially hooked up with [[Big Daddy (SG)|Big Daddy]], [[Brawn (SG)|Brawn]] and [[Beachcomber (SG)|Beachcomber]] as they went searching for their "valiant leader". It was fortuitous, wonderful, outstanding when they finally crossed paths with the opportunist, and had the opportunity for revenge. Rodimus did some fast talking, though, and his stories of human allies and the Decepticons getting vaped led Goldbug to hold his fire long enough to hear the Seeker leader out. They returned to the ''Ark'' in order to make a proper assessment of the state of the planet. Goldbug and the Autobots had quite a bit of difficulty understanding the concept of "renewable resources" their human allies the Witwickys tried to explain.

Strategy wasn't the only thing on Goldbug's mind, however — using Rodimus's bail-out during the crash as an excuse, he challenged Rodimus for leadership of the Autobots. The two Seekers battled on the bridge of the ''Ark'', with the fully-reenergized Goldbug soon gaining the upper hand. Rodimus was far more crafty, though — he voice-activated [[Teletraan-X (SG)|Teletraan-X]] and deleted the ID-recognition file for Goldbug, causing the ship to identify him as an enemy combatant. Goldbug was quickly restrained by the internal security systems, and held helpless before Rodimus ''Prime''. Despite his precarious position, Goldbug agreed to yield only if Rodimus left him as second-in-command. Showing the sort of logic and reasoning positive-matter Decepticon leaders have displayed for eons, Rodimus laughingly agreed to keep the ambitious Goldbug as his right-hand bot. After all, no way Goldbug would let anyone ''else'' in the Autobots kill Rodimus before him.

As the Autobots prepared for their strike on the control base for America's [[Global Orbiting Defense Satellite|GODS]] space weapon, Goldbug and [[Wheeljack (SG)|Wheeljack]] joined Rodimus for the infiltration mission. Like the Trojan horse, they got captured and taken inside the base along with their "drivers", the Witwickys, just before the rest of the Autobots launched an assault from outside. Striking from both in and outside the base, the Autobots soon controlled the satellite station and its deadly particle beam weapon. Their assault soon drew the attention of the surviving Decepticons, however, and the Cybertronian Civil War officially took up residence on Earth. Goldbug was attacked by the diminutive [[Frenzy (SG)|Frenzy]] and his two human friends, who used a fire extinguisher to temporarily blind the Seeker and steal his weapon. To add injury to insult, the weaponless Goldbug was then forced to deal with the Incredible fury of Frenzy unleashed. The Decepticons were able to reclaim the military base, and the Autobots were driven off. {{storylink|Eye in the Sky}}

Still working for his own advancement, Goldbug commissioned [[Side Burn (SG)|Side Burn]] and Wheeljack to create a [[Space bridge|stellar spanner]] out in the desert without Rodimus Prime's knowledge. They were nearly finished when the Decepticons [[Blitzwing (SG)|Blitzwing]] and [[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]] stumbled upon their location. Seizing the opportunity, Goldbug planned to launch Heatwave through the untested machine to make sure it worked. Blitzwing attempted to stop them by hooking directly into the spanner's digital landscape, but failed due to Wheeljack's electro-shells. The feedback had a side-effect, however, of sending out a cacophony of fleshling music on the Autobots' communications frequency. Unable to even think straight, Goldbug blasted the Spanner to keep the Decepticons from using it and ordered a retreat.

Back at the ''Ark'', Goldbug was forced to answer to Rodimus Prime for his antics. Fearing another clash with Teletraan-X's servo, Goldbug babbled off whatever he could think of to stay Rodimus's fury. Luckily, his only punishment ended up being salvage duty with [[Seaspray (SG)|Seaspray]], as the Agonizing Rehabilitation Chambers were conveniently broken. {{storylink|Blitzwing Bop}}

Goldbug took part in the raid on [[R.J. Blackrock|Blackrock]]'s [[Mega-Rig]], warning everyone to stick to hand-to-hand combat to avoid damaging their prize. He, Side Burn and Beachcomber later joined Rodimus when their leader met with Blackrock to listen to an offer he had for them. Despite Goldbug's strenuous objections, Rodimus accepted the offer. Soon after, the Autobots captured two of the Decepticons' human friends, [[Sephie Beller]] and [[Rick Ottman]]. Goldbug held Rick at gunpoint when the Decepticons turned up, and the Decepticons were soon bound prisoners. When [[Soundwave (SG)|Soundwave]] revealed that he wasn't the one who'd put up the jamming field, Goldbug wondered aloud who was doing the jamming. His answer came moments later when the Autobots were attacked by Blackrock in his [[Centurion (SG)|Centurion]] mech. Goldbug and Swoop initially managed to restrain the robot, but the Centurion's defenses were too formidable, and the Autobots were eventually forced to retreat. {{storylink|Transhuman}}

At some unspecified point in time, Goldbug and a team of Autobots somehow under the command of both [[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] fought [[Thundercracker (SG)|Thundercracker]] and [[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]] in the Transformers' greatest battle on Earth, "[[Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction (SG)|Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction]]." According to Ravage, anyway. {{storylink|Recordicons issue 3|Recordicons #3}}

Goldbug was among the evil Autobots captured after Optimus Prime became Nova Prime and overthrew Rodimus. {{storylink|The Future Buried...}}
{{-}}

===''SD SG''===
Goldbug was forced to listen to [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] complain about new body designs and upgrades. {{storylink|SD SG issue 1|SD SG #1}}

===IDW ''Shattered Glass'' comic===
[[File:ShatteredGlassIIissue1-Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.4]]

Bumblebee was a originally a drifter on the streets of Polyhex before joining Orion Pax's Autobots. Desperate for the approval of his leader, the ambitious Bumblebee clawed his way up the ranks until he'd attained a position of power as a member of Orion's inner cadre. {{storylink|Goldbug (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Goldbug bio}} During one early meeting with [[Jetfire (SG)|Jetfire]], who'd turned to the Autobots as a means of securing more funding for his research on [[Titan (group)|Titan]]s, Bumblebee and [[Prowl (SG)|Prowl]] caught [[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]] spying on them and dragged him before Orion. {{storylink|Shattered Glass issue 3|Shattered Glass #3}}

As Orion worked to consolidate his growing power over the Senate, Bumblebee became a member of the "[[Wreckers]]", a private security force under the leadership of [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]] that effectively operated outside Cybertronian law. While stationed at the [[Senate]] building, Bumblebee intimidated [[Flashbox (SG)|Flashbox]] and [[Laserbeak (SG)|Laserbeak]] into abandoning an interview with [[Shockwave (SG)|Shockwave]], and Bumblebee watched in shock as Ultra Magnus laid into [[Kup (SG)|Kup]] and [[Impactor (SG)|Impactor]] for stepping out of line. To prove their loyalty to Optimus Prime, Magnus and the other members of the Wreckers led an attack on the Senate and massacred everyone inside except Shockwave, whom Magnus left alive so he could be subjected to [[empurata]]. {{storylink|Shattered Glass II issue 1|Shattered Glass II #1}} At some point afterwards, Bumblebee was kicked out of the Wreckers for unknown reasons; years later, [[Wheeljack (SG)|Slicer]] privately thought of him as a "failed Wrecker". {{storylink|Shattered Glass II issue 3|Shattered Glass II #3}}

[[File:ShatteredGlass4-Goldbugaltmode.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4]]

After Orion rose to become Optimus Prime, Bumblebee stayed by his leader's side after the Decepticon-Autobot conflict brought both sides to [[Earth]]. Bumblebee took part in the final battle against the Decepticons, and nearly killed [[Thundercracker (SG)|Thundercracker]] before a point-blank blast from [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]]'s [[fusion cannon]] left him mortally wounded. On the way back to Cybertron, [[Ratchet (SG)|Ratchet]] came up with the idea of using a spare [[protoform]] to revive their comrade, and Bumblebee was reborn as the more powerful Goldbug. However, Goldbug soon realized that Optimus and the other Autobots had only repaired him out of necessity, rather than out of any kind of affection for their comrade, and that they hadn't forgotten his recent failure on the battlefield.

After returning to Cybertron, Goldbug caught wind that that [[Prowl (SG)|Prowl]] was planning a coup against the Autobot leader. When he brought the issue to Prime's attention, however, Optimus dismissed his concerns, and when Goldbug snapped and criticized Prime's inability to see the obvious plot, he received a painful beating for his troubles. As Goldbug picked himself up, he discovered that Prowl had witnessed the entire altercation, and had come to him with an offer to join his nascent coup. Some time later, when Prowl's breakaway faction made its move, Goldbug attempted assassinate Prime, but the Autobot leader easily fended off his assault. Frustrated and humiliated by his string of defeats, Goldbug swore that from that day onward no one would ever think him a joke again. {{storylink|Shattered Glass issue 4|Shattered Glass #4}}

Approximately a kilocycle later, Goldbug had risen to become the unquestioned ruler of [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]], which he'd renamed "Gold City". Under unclear circumstances, a subsequent falling-out with Prowl had turned the planet into a three-way battleground between the warring Autobot factions. {{storylink|Shattered Glass issue 1|Shattered Glass #1}} Goldbug took on Slicer as one of his chief lieutenants—unaware that Slicer was still actively working for Ultra Magnus and funnelling a constant stream of information to his leader. {{storylink|Shattered Glass issue 5|Shattered Glass #5}} Upon learning that Starscream had resurfaced and successfully interfaced with the Titan [[Metroplex (SG)|Metroplex]], Goldbug put out a bounty on his head with the intent of bringing him alive for interrogation, and farmed the contract out to Ratchet and the various [[bodyscrapper]]s in his employ. {{storylink|Shattered Glass issue 1|Shattered Glass #1}} After a lengthy game of cat-and-mouse in and around Gold City and the [[Static Zone]], Jetfire finally captured Starscream and brought him before Goldbug for an interrogation session. {{storylink|Shattered Glass issue 3|Shattered Glass #3}}

[[File:ShatteredGlass4-Goldbugkillsskywarp.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.4]]

Immediately, Starscream's torture session did not go as planned: Starscream proved more resistant than he'd hoped, and Jetfire warned his leader that if they killed their prisoner they'd have no way to extract the knowledge encoded in his [[spark]]. When [[Skywarp (SG)|Skywarp]] teleported in to free his comrade Goldbug intercepted him, beat him to death, and ripped his head off, part of a ploy to break Starscream's spirit by showing him the remains of his fallen comrade. When Starscream still refused to cooperate, Goldbug ordered [[Wheeljack (SG)|Slicer]] to round up and execute every suspected Decepticon sympathizer in Gold City, but the Autobot warlord was again called away to deal with the [[Insecticon (SG)|Insecticon]]s. After slaughtering them to a man, a furious Goldbug barged in and pointed his gun in Starscream's face, ready to execute him regardless of the consequences. {{storylink|Shattered Glass issue 4|Shattered Glass #4}}

Before Goldbug could make good on this threat to kill both Starscream ''and'' the reluctant Jetfire, Megatron gathered his remaining followers and launched a full-scale assault on Gold City. At that moment, Jetfire finally rejected the Autobots by punching Goldbug in the face and freeing his old friend amidst the confusion. However, Goldbug had enough strength left to blast Starscream in the chest; although the Decepticon flier survived this first shot, Goldbug easily reached into the wound, ripped his [[spark]] from his body; as he fled, Goldbug coldly reminded Jetfire that Starscream was ''never'' going to leave Gold City alive.

[[File:ShatteredGlassIIissue3-Goldbugdies.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4]]

The Decepticons successfully liberated Gold City, but Goldbug escaped amidst the confusion and retreated to Metroplex's resting ground, deep within the [[Static Zone]], where he used the information encoded on Starscream's spark to reactivate the Titan. {{storylink|Shattered Glass issue 5|Shattered Glass #5}}

Although he'd successfully implanted Starscream's spark into Metroplex's systems, Goldbug struggled to bring the giant Transformer online: Metroplex would stop and start at random, and the rogue Autobot had made very little progress when Slicer, still posing as Goldbug's loyal underling, finally tracked him down. Slicer was able to stall Goldbug long enough for him to send a coded signal to [[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]] and the other Wreckers, but when a passing Decepticon patrol attacked the Titan, Slicer and Goldbug easily took down the lightly-armored fliers. Before Slicer could turn on Goldbug, however, Goldbug turned on Slicer, wrestled him to the ground, and prepared to execute his former lieutenant: he'd been aware that Slicer had been double-crossing him the entire time. As Goldbug prepared to squeeze the trigger, Slicer spied Jetfire approaching from behind and got out of the way just in time—when the vengeful Jetfire landed, he caught Goldbug unawares and avenged Starscream by fatally flattening the little Autobot. {{storylink|Shattered Glass II issue 3|Shattered Glass II #3}}

{{--}}

==Games==
===''Transformers Legends''===
During an Autobot attempt to launch from Cybertron in a battleship, Grimlock, [[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]], and Goldbug were distracted from reaching the launch site and ended up chasing Ravage instead. {{storylink|Shattered Glass (Legends)|Shattered Glass}}
{{--}}

===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
[[File:EW-SG-Goldbug.jpg|thumb|upright=1.25|]]
{{charstubgame|{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}}}

===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
At some point, Goldbug fought against [[Storm Shadow]] and a [[Tommy Oliver|white Power Ranger]]. {{storylink|Field Guide to Action and Adventure}}

==Toys==
===''Timelines''===
[[File:ShatteredGlasstoy-Goldbug.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|Started a "Bad Bugs" club with [[Bug Bite (GoBots)|Bug Bite]].]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-sad|'''Shattered Glass''' ([[BotCon]] box set, [[2008]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Launcher, missile, key

:Part of [[BotCon 2008]]'s [[exclusive]] box set of five figures, ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' Goldbug is a [[retool]] of ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys#Cybertron|Hot Shot]] with a new head sculpt based on "[[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1]]" [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Goldbug|Goldbug]] and a new black, yellow, and blue color scheme, bearing a little resemblance to [[:File:Movie Deluxe StealthBumblebee toy.jpg|Stealth Bumblebee]]. He transforms into a modified {{w|Chrysler ME Four-Twelve}} concept car. Plugging a [[Cyber Key]] into his trunk (his is a clear-orange [[Velocitron]]-style key with a black border) deploys transparent blue wings from his spoiler. The toy also comes with a spring-loaded missile-launching gun that can be carried in robot mode or pegged into the roof of the car mode.

:The original version of this mold was also used to make ''Cybertron'' [[Excellion (Cybertron)#Toys|Excellion]] and the [[Transformers (2007 toyline)|2007 ''Transformers'']] [[Breakaway (Movie)#Toys|Breakaway]].

:Goldbug is only available as part of a set of six toys, along with [[Optimus Prime (SG)#Toys|Optimus Prime]], [[Jazz (SG)#Toys|Autobot Jazz]], [[Grimlock (SG)#Toys|Grimlock]], [[Razorclaw (SG)#Toys|Razorclaw]], and [[Starscream (SG)#Toys|Starscream]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/BCGoldbug/goldbug.htm More information on Goldbug at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

{{CybertronHotShotMold}}

===''Shattered Glass Collection''===
[[File:TF-Shattered-Glass-Collection-Goldbug.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|Ah yes, Bumblebee rebuilt into a bigger, badder body, that's definitely what this is.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-sa|'''Autobot Goldbug''' (Deluxe Class, [[2021]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Three-piece bazooka, 2 skis, car trunk
{{toydesigner|[[Lenny Panzica]] and [[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro)<ref>[[August 13]], [[2021]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-r_ueBc4R0 "Fan First Friday | Transformers Livestream"] on YouTube, with [[Evan Brooks]], [[Ben MacCrae]], and [[Isabella Weiss]].</ref>|[[AJ Piejko-Brown]] (packaging)}}

: Released as part of the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Shattered Glass Collection|Shattered Glass Collection]]'' subline, "Autobot Goldbug" is a new-head retool of ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Earthrise]]'' [[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Cliffjumper]]. Unusually small for a Deluxe Class figure, Goldbug transforms into a custom 1980s sports coupe; hybridizing the Porsche 924 Turbo and {{w|Mitsubishi Starion}} models. Goldbug's vehicle mode possesses molded high-performance brake discs, carried over from a mainline ''Transformers'' figure. As can be expected of a figure based on a ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' release, Goldbug includes numerous 3 mm posts and [[5 mm post|5 mm ports]] for attaching weapons, [[Fire Blast effect]]s, and other accessories as part of the [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System]]/[[F.O.S.S.I.L. Technology]]. However, attaching a Weaponizer/[[A.I.R. Lock System|Modulator]]/Fossilizer figure can be challenging due to Goldbug's small size.

: Goldbug features a redeco of Cliffjumper's bazooka. It can split into two smaller blasters and a pair of skis that can attach under his wheels. The backend of the cannon can fold out to fit in his car mode's underside to help balance when skis are deployed, while also being used as a melee weapon. It can also be mounted on either his thigh or on the side or top of his shoulder meaning you can put the entire cannon in these spots. Similarly, his detaching car trunk can either be put into the robot mode's back or be used as a shield with the help of a flip-out peg. This peg and the backend of the cannon use a unique post and port to connect to each other. Initial photos appeared to show Goldbug using the updated taller "collar" assembly introduced on [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Bumblebee]], although the final figure sticks with the original, shorter assembly from Cliffjumper.

: Goldbug also includes the [[Shattered Glass issue 4|fourth issue]] of [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (IDW)|Shattered Glass]]'' "Shards" mini-series, with an exclusive cover featuring spot UV.

: Much like the rest of the subline, Goldbug is a [[Hasbro Pulse]] exclusive in the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom. His existence was spilled by Hasbro Pulse prematurely when ''Shattered Glass Collection'' [[Starscream (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Starscream]]'s front page advertisement named Goldbug instead of Starscream,<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/hasbro-mentions-shattered-glass-goldbug-but-shows-sg-starscream-instead.1214062/ "The latest figure in the Transformers Generations Shattered Glass Collection: Goldbug & IDW Shattered Glass with Variant Cover"]</ref> much like the accidental reveal of ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' [[Red Wing (G1)#Toys|Red Wing]] and ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Earthrise]]'' [[Thrust (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Thrust]].

: This mold was also used for ''War for Cybertron Trilogy [[Generations Selects (toyline)|Selects]]'' [[Hubcap (G1)#Generations Selects|Hubcap]] and [[Bug Bite (GoBots)#Generations|Bug Bite]], and was extensively retooled into ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Bumblebee]].
{{WFCEarthriseCliffjumperMold}}
{{-}}

==Merchandise==
===''Magic: The Gathering''===
[[File:MTG-SG-Goldbug.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The {{w|Napoleon complex|Napoleon}} of crime.]]
*'''Goldbug, Humanity's Ally / Goldbug, Scrappy Scout''' (2022)
**''ID number:'' '''025'''
**''Set code:'' '''BOT'''
**''Color identity:'' '''White/Blue'''
**''Casting cost:'' '''{1}{W}{U}''' (front), '''{W}{U}''' (back)
**''Artist:'' [[Josh Perez]]
:"Goldbug, Humanity's Ally" is part of the 2022 ''[[Magic: The Gathering]]'' ''[[mtg:Universes Beyond|Universes Beyond]]'' ''[[mtg:Transformers|Transformers]]'' card set, found in Collector Booster packs of ''Magic''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> ''[[mtg:The Brothers' War|The Brothers' War]]'' set. It can be reversed to become "Goldbug, Scrappy Scout", representing Goldbug in vehicle mode.
:A variant of this card was available in both Set Booster and Collector Booster packs, depicting [[Bumblebee (G1)/merchandise#Magic: The Gathering|"Generation 1" Goldbug]].

{{-}}
===''Blokees''===
{{Note|Every case comes with a random Commemorative Card, with 10 Common, 1 Gold, and 1 Silver for each out of every 12 cards.}}
[[File:Blokees-TF-GV-Defender-02-Chase-SG-Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|250px]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-sa|'''Special Galaxy Type SG-Bumblebee''' (Defender Version, 2025)}}</ul>
:*''Series:'' '''Defender Version 02 - The Overthrow'''
:*''Accessories:'': Pistol

:Released as part of the second wave of the ''[[Blokees]]'' "[[Blokees#Defender Version|Galaxy Version Defender]]" line of blind boxes, this Bumblebee (in his pre-Goldbug body) is an articulated 2.2-inch (5.5cm) figure kit (a few inches smaller than the "Galaxy Version" kits) redecoed from the previous line's "Brilliant Bumblebee", and he comes with the same generic pistol, with a burnt barrel effect sprayed on. As with other Special Galaxy Type chase kits, SG-Bumblebee features metallic injected plastic.
{{--}}

===Auldey===
[[File:Auldey-TF-AAE-SGBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1|"Me, Bug Bite? Nah, you haven't seen me and him in the same room now, have you?"]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-sa|'''SG Bumblebee''' (Alpha Action Elite, 2025)}}</ul>
:*''Series'': '''Attack on Earth'''
:*''ID Number'': '''AAE-018'''
:*''Accessories'': 2 pairs of hands, 1 pistol, 1 back tire, 1 flying backpack, 1 [[Energon cube|energon cube]], 1 sticker, trading card
{{toydesigner|[[Lam Ahtek]]}}

:The other chase figure(s) of second wave of [[Auldey]]'s "Alpha Action Elite (AAE)" series of blindboxes, packed in alongside his [[Bumblebee (G1)/merchandise#Auldey|positive universe counterpart's identity of Goldbug]], SG Bumblebee is a 2-inch non-transforming but highly articulated action figure, redecoed from the Bumblebee mold from the same line (itself a retool of [[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys#Auldey|Cliffjumper]] from the previous wave).

:Aside from the usual slew of accessories from the original mold, Bumblebee comes with a jetpack reminiscent of the [[Wave Crusher]] from the [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Classics|''Classics'' Bumblebee]] toy, alongside a trading card. As with the [[Megatron_(G1)/merchandise#auldeymetallic|Megatron "Metallic"]] figure, this 2-pack has a much slimmer pull rate of 1/72, or once in twelve cases.

:The bio on the trading card implies that he might be [[Bug Bite (GoBots)|GoBots Bug Bite]] posing as SG Bumblebee, rather than the real SG Bumblebee himself. Additionally, the included sticker sheet features a [[Mercenary]] insignia to allow for an [[Bug Bite (G1)|optional repurposed identity]].
{{-}}

==Notes==
* Goldbug's original "Bumblebee" body never appeared in any Fun Publications stories. IDW's ''Shattered Glass'' series, on the other hand, gives him a body based on ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Bumblebee]]. His white and purple color scheme comes from Bumblebee's [[Bumblebee (SG Animated)|''Shattered Glass Animated'' counterpart]], who was in turn conceived as a homage to [[BotCon 2007]]'s [[Bug Bite (GoBots)#Timelines|''Timelines'' Bug Bite]].
** Jesse Wittenrich clarified on Twitter that if Fun Publications did illustrate Bumblebee, he'd look like his positive counterpart's [[:File:1985_happymeal_bumblebee.jpg|''Happy Meal'' toy]].<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://x.com/i/status/2043808350530383873|year=2026|month=04|day=14|name=Jesse Wittenrich|site=Twitter|quote=SG Bumblebee doesn't look like this... outside of Animated and IDW. Closest that came to it was SG Bugbite, who had red markings (sic)
Discussed it at length with all those involved in creating SG and he probably looked more like the one McD toy before becoming Goldbug}}</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Goldbug''' (ゴールドバグ ''Gōrudobagu'')

==See also==
{{OtherVersions
|charname=''Shattered Glass'' Bumblebee
|disambig=Bumblebee (disambiguation)
|body=
*[[Bumblebee (SG Animated)|Bumblebee]], the evil counterpart to [[Bumblebee (Animated)|''Animated'' Bumblebee]].
*[[Bumblebee (SG Movie)|Bumblebee]], the evil counterpart to [[Bumblebee (Movie)|"Movie series" Bumblebee]].}}

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:BotCon exclusives]]
[[Category:Convention-original characters]]
[[Category:Earth Wars Shattered Glass Autobots]]
[[Category:Hall of Fame characters]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass Autobots]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass Seekers]]
[[Category:Spies]]
[[Category:Timelines characters]]
[[Category:Transformers Roleplaying Game Autobots]]

Goldbug (SG)

2026-04-14T10:18:59Z

Poliwag06: /* Notes */ found this

{{factions|sgAutobot|wreckers|hofsilver}}
{{disambig3.5|the evil Autobot Seeker|his heroic Throttlebot counterpart|Bumblebee (G1)|Goldbug}}
:''Goldbug is an evil [[Autobot]] [[Seeker (SG)|Seeker]] from the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Shattered Goldbug.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|Grrrr. Arg.]]

'''Goldbug''' was once a shiftless drifter named '''Bumblebee'''. Survival on the streets of [[Polyhex]] meant learning to become a sneak, a pickpocket, and a blackmailer, and at these things Bumblebee excelled. When [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] seized power and plunged [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] into war, Bumblebee found that life as one of Prime's brutal [[Autobot]]s suited him well—so well, in fact, that it put him on the fast track to power, and culminated in his eventual rebirth as the more powerful Goldbug.

Although he's a ruthless warrior and a capable lieutenant, Goldbug's cold demeanor masks a bubbling cauldron of private neuroses, irrational fears, and a deep, abiding well of anger. Goldbug has done everything within his power to bury his original identity and put his past behind him, but remains extremely paranoid that he is not appreciated by his peers and will be summarily replaced. When he's given—or seizes—a position of power, he'll use that newfound authority to bluster and bully his subordinates into obedience... or, when things go south, start chopping off heads until the situation improves. Fortunately for his fellow Autobots, Goldbug generally doesn't hide his open contempt for his leaders, and his commanding officers have grown accustomed to foiling his ill-conceived coups before he can deal ''too'' much damage.

{{bigquote|There’s no reasoning behind what he does. It’s all about power, while lacking '''purpose'''.|[[Wheeljack (SG)|Slicer]]|[[Shattered Glass II issue 3|''Shattered Glass II'' #3]]}}

{{--}}

==Fiction==
===Shattered Expectations===
Goldbug led [[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]] and [[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]] in a search for the ancient [[Pretender]] technology, intending to use it to give them the edge against the [[Decepticon]] insurgency. He appeared to be the leader of the trio (barely). However, their plan was foiled by the arrival of [[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]] and the [[Mayhem Suppression Squad]]. {{storylink|Shattered Expectations (SG)|Shattered Expectations}}

===Fun Publications ''Shattered Glass'' continuity===
[[File:Shatteredglasstheoldone.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2|"Sorry sir, I spaced out after 'along with'. What do I need to understand?"]]

When Bumblebee joined the Autobots, his bravery put him on the fast track to power, and when [[Seeker (SG)|Seeker]] commander [[Drench (SG)|Drench]] was "removed" by Prime, Bumblebee was rebuilt as Goldbug and took his place. <ref>BotCon 2008 Goldbug profile card</ref>

Goldbug was present at the execution of [[Rumble (SG)|Rumble]] when Optimus Prime brought their "old friend" [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] in to view the festivities. Later on, he was discussing the launch of the ''[[Ark (SG)|Ark]]'' with Prime and [[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]] in the combat training room. Goldbug mentioned that the [[Alpha Trion#Shattered Glass|Old One]] wouldn't have approved of the current plan, but Optimus quickly shot down his objections. Goldbug and the other [[Seeker (SG)|Seeker]]s defended the ''Ark''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s launch platform from Decepticon attack, but failed to stop Cliffjumper from scuttling the liftoff. {{storylink|Shattered Glass (issue)|Shattered Glass}}

When [[Wheeljack (SG)|Wheeljack]]'s new creations, the [[Dinobot (SG)|Dinobot]]s, ran amok, both Autobot and Decepticon alike were forced to chase them down before the other side could modify their A.I.s. Gotta catch 'em all. Goldbug and [[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]] located [[Swoop (SG)|Swoop]] atop an observation tower. Unfortunately, he could fly and neither of them could. Goldbug volunteered Jazz to climb up and fetch the Dinobot, but J wasn't having none of that. [[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]] and Blurr arrived and made a consensus (with laser rifles) that Jazz would be climbing. In a move that surprised no one except Jazz, Swoop took off flying the moment Prime's bodyguard laid a hand on him. Goldbug got the creature in his sights and shot it down, bringing Swoop and Jazz crashing to Earth. When Blurr inquired why Goldbug didn't just shoot the Dinobot in the first place, Goldbug shrugged and said that now they didn't have to climb up and fetch it. {{storylink|Dungeons & Dinobots}}

The ''Ark'' was finally repaired and ready for launch when Optimus Prime ran off to deal with [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]]. Goldbug and Blurr caught Rodimus fiddling with a communications console, preventing Prime from calling in. Blurr started to bluster at the insubordination, but Goldbug was willing to hear Rodimus' explanation. Rodimus argued that Optimus' obsession with Megatron was holding them all back. Cybertron was a dead world now, and with Prime out of the picture, Earth would be ripe for their taking. Goldbug agreed, and Blurr was thrown off the ship for remaining loyal to Prime.

Later, when the ''Ark'' and the ''[[Nemesis (SG)|Nemesis]]'' were locked in battle above [[Earth]], Goldbug manned the ''Ark''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s sensor station. [[Astrotrain (SG)|Astrotrain]] succeeded in severely damaging the ''Ark''. Goldbug had time to curse the coward Rodimus, who fled in an escape pod, before calling for all hands to brace for impact. {{storylink|Do Over}}

After the crash, Goldbug initially hooked up with [[Big Daddy (SG)|Big Daddy]], [[Brawn (SG)|Brawn]] and [[Beachcomber (SG)|Beachcomber]] as they went searching for their "valiant leader". It was fortuitous, wonderful, outstanding when they finally crossed paths with the opportunist, and had the opportunity for revenge. Rodimus did some fast talking, though, and his stories of human allies and the Decepticons getting vaped led Goldbug to hold his fire long enough to hear the Seeker leader out. They returned to the ''Ark'' in order to make a proper assessment of the state of the planet. Goldbug and the Autobots had quite a bit of difficulty understanding the concept of "renewable resources" their human allies the Witwickys tried to explain.

Strategy wasn't the only thing on Goldbug's mind, however — using Rodimus's bail-out during the crash as an excuse, he challenged Rodimus for leadership of the Autobots. The two Seekers battled on the bridge of the ''Ark'', with the fully-reenergized Goldbug soon gaining the upper hand. Rodimus was far more crafty, though — he voice-activated [[Teletraan-X (SG)|Teletraan-X]] and deleted the ID-recognition file for Goldbug, causing the ship to identify him as an enemy combatant. Goldbug was quickly restrained by the internal security systems, and held helpless before Rodimus ''Prime''. Despite his precarious position, Goldbug agreed to yield only if Rodimus left him as second-in-command. Showing the sort of logic and reasoning positive-matter Decepticon leaders have displayed for eons, Rodimus laughingly agreed to keep the ambitious Goldbug as his right-hand bot. After all, no way Goldbug would let anyone ''else'' in the Autobots kill Rodimus before him.

As the Autobots prepared for their strike on the control base for America's [[Global Orbiting Defense Satellite|GODS]] space weapon, Goldbug and [[Wheeljack (SG)|Wheeljack]] joined Rodimus for the infiltration mission. Like the Trojan horse, they got captured and taken inside the base along with their "drivers", the Witwickys, just before the rest of the Autobots launched an assault from outside. Striking from both in and outside the base, the Autobots soon controlled the satellite station and its deadly particle beam weapon. Their assault soon drew the attention of the surviving Decepticons, however, and the Cybertronian Civil War officially took up residence on Earth. Goldbug was attacked by the diminutive [[Frenzy (SG)|Frenzy]] and his two human friends, who used a fire extinguisher to temporarily blind the Seeker and steal his weapon. To add injury to insult, the weaponless Goldbug was then forced to deal with the Incredible fury of Frenzy unleashed. The Decepticons were able to reclaim the military base, and the Autobots were driven off. {{storylink|Eye in the Sky}}

Still working for his own advancement, Goldbug commissioned [[Side Burn (SG)|Side Burn]] and Wheeljack to create a [[Space bridge|stellar spanner]] out in the desert without Rodimus Prime's knowledge. They were nearly finished when the Decepticons [[Blitzwing (SG)|Blitzwing]] and [[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]] stumbled upon their location. Seizing the opportunity, Goldbug planned to launch Heatwave through the untested machine to make sure it worked. Blitzwing attempted to stop them by hooking directly into the spanner's digital landscape, but failed due to Wheeljack's electro-shells. The feedback had a side-effect, however, of sending out a cacophony of fleshling music on the Autobots' communications frequency. Unable to even think straight, Goldbug blasted the Spanner to keep the Decepticons from using it and ordered a retreat.

Back at the ''Ark'', Goldbug was forced to answer to Rodimus Prime for his antics. Fearing another clash with Teletraan-X's servo, Goldbug babbled off whatever he could think of to stay Rodimus's fury. Luckily, his only punishment ended up being salvage duty with [[Seaspray (SG)|Seaspray]], as the Agonizing Rehabilitation Chambers were conveniently broken. {{storylink|Blitzwing Bop}}

Goldbug took part in the raid on [[R.J. Blackrock|Blackrock]]'s [[Mega-Rig]], warning everyone to stick to hand-to-hand combat to avoid damaging their prize. He, Side Burn and Beachcomber later joined Rodimus when their leader met with Blackrock to listen to an offer he had for them. Despite Goldbug's strenuous objections, Rodimus accepted the offer. Soon after, the Autobots captured two of the Decepticons' human friends, [[Sephie Beller]] and [[Rick Ottman]]. Goldbug held Rick at gunpoint when the Decepticons turned up, and the Decepticons were soon bound prisoners. When [[Soundwave (SG)|Soundwave]] revealed that he wasn't the one who'd put up the jamming field, Goldbug wondered aloud who was doing the jamming. His answer came moments later when the Autobots were attacked by Blackrock in his [[Centurion (SG)|Centurion]] mech. Goldbug and Swoop initially managed to restrain the robot, but the Centurion's defenses were too formidable, and the Autobots were eventually forced to retreat. {{storylink|Transhuman}}

At some unspecified point in time, Goldbug and a team of Autobots somehow under the command of both [[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] fought [[Thundercracker (SG)|Thundercracker]] and [[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]] in the Transformers' greatest battle on Earth, "[[Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction (SG)|Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction]]." According to Ravage, anyway. {{storylink|Recordicons issue 3|Recordicons #3}}

Goldbug was among the evil Autobots captured after Optimus Prime became Nova Prime and overthrew Rodimus. {{storylink|The Future Buried...}}
{{-}}

===''SD SG''===
Goldbug was forced to listen to [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] complain about new body designs and upgrades. {{storylink|SD SG issue 1|SD SG #1}}

===IDW ''Shattered Glass'' comic===
[[File:ShatteredGlassIIissue1-Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.4]]

Bumblebee was a originally a drifter on the streets of Polyhex before joining Orion Pax's Autobots. Desperate for the approval of his leader, the ambitious Bumblebee clawed his way up the ranks until he'd attained a position of power as a member of Orion's inner cadre. {{storylink|Goldbug (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Goldbug bio}} During one early meeting with [[Jetfire (SG)|Jetfire]], who'd turned to the Autobots as a means of securing more funding for his research on [[Titan (group)|Titan]]s, Bumblebee and [[Prowl (SG)|Prowl]] caught [[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]] spying on them and dragged him before Orion. {{storylink|Shattered Glass issue 3|Shattered Glass #3}}

As Orion worked to consolidate his growing power over the Senate, Bumblebee became a member of the "[[Wreckers]]", a private security force under the leadership of [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]] that effectively operated outside Cybertronian law. While stationed at the [[Senate]] building, Bumblebee intimidated [[Flashbox (SG)|Flashbox]] and [[Laserbeak (SG)|Laserbeak]] into abandoning an interview with [[Shockwave (SG)|Shockwave]], and Bumblebee watched in shock as Ultra Magnus laid into [[Kup (SG)|Kup]] and [[Impactor (SG)|Impactor]] for stepping out of line. To prove their loyalty to Optimus Prime, Magnus and the other members of the Wreckers led an attack on the Senate and massacred everyone inside except Shockwave, whom Magnus left alive so he could be subjected to [[empurata]]. {{storylink|Shattered Glass II issue 1|Shattered Glass II #1}} At some point afterwards, Bumblebee was kicked out of the Wreckers for unknown reasons; years later, [[Wheeljack (SG)|Slicer]] privately thought of him as a "failed Wrecker". {{storylink|Shattered Glass II issue 3|Shattered Glass II #3}}

[[File:ShatteredGlass4-Goldbugaltmode.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4]]

After Orion rose to become Optimus Prime, Bumblebee stayed by his leader's side after the Decepticon-Autobot conflict brought both sides to [[Earth]]. Bumblebee took part in the final battle against the Decepticons, and nearly killed [[Thundercracker (SG)|Thundercracker]] before a point-blank blast from [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]]'s [[fusion cannon]] left him mortally wounded. On the way back to Cybertron, [[Ratchet (SG)|Ratchet]] came up with the idea of using a spare [[protoform]] to revive their comrade, and Bumblebee was reborn as the more powerful Goldbug. However, Goldbug soon realized that Optimus and the other Autobots had only repaired him out of necessity, rather than out of any kind of affection for their comrade, and that they hadn't forgotten his recent failure on the battlefield.

After returning to Cybertron, Goldbug caught wind that that [[Prowl (SG)|Prowl]] was planning a coup against the Autobot leader. When he brought the issue to Prime's attention, however, Optimus dismissed his concerns, and when Goldbug snapped and criticized Prime's inability to see the obvious plot, he received a painful beating for his troubles. As Goldbug picked himself up, he discovered that Prowl had witnessed the entire altercation, and had come to him with an offer to join his nascent coup. Some time later, when Prowl's breakaway faction made its move, Goldbug attempted assassinate Prime, but the Autobot leader easily fended off his assault. Frustrated and humiliated by his string of defeats, Goldbug swore that from that day onward no one would ever think him a joke again. {{storylink|Shattered Glass issue 4|Shattered Glass #4}}

Approximately a kilocycle later, Goldbug had risen to become the unquestioned ruler of [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]], which he'd renamed "Gold City". Under unclear circumstances, a subsequent falling-out with Prowl had turned the planet into a three-way battleground between the warring Autobot factions. {{storylink|Shattered Glass issue 1|Shattered Glass #1}} Goldbug took on Slicer as one of his chief lieutenants—unaware that Slicer was still actively working for Ultra Magnus and funnelling a constant stream of information to his leader. {{storylink|Shattered Glass issue 5|Shattered Glass #5}} Upon learning that Starscream had resurfaced and successfully interfaced with the Titan [[Metroplex (SG)|Metroplex]], Goldbug put out a bounty on his head with the intent of bringing him alive for interrogation, and farmed the contract out to Ratchet and the various [[bodyscrapper]]s in his employ. {{storylink|Shattered Glass issue 1|Shattered Glass #1}} After a lengthy game of cat-and-mouse in and around Gold City and the [[Static Zone]], Jetfire finally captured Starscream and brought him before Goldbug for an interrogation session. {{storylink|Shattered Glass issue 3|Shattered Glass #3}}

[[File:ShatteredGlass4-Goldbugkillsskywarp.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.4]]

Immediately, Starscream's torture session did not go as planned: Starscream proved more resistant than he'd hoped, and Jetfire warned his leader that if they killed their prisoner they'd have no way to extract the knowledge encoded in his [[spark]]. When [[Skywarp (SG)|Skywarp]] teleported in to free his comrade Goldbug intercepted him, beat him to death, and ripped his head off, part of a ploy to break Starscream's spirit by showing him the remains of his fallen comrade. When Starscream still refused to cooperate, Goldbug ordered [[Wheeljack (SG)|Slicer]] to round up and execute every suspected Decepticon sympathizer in Gold City, but the Autobot warlord was again called away to deal with the [[Insecticon (SG)|Insecticon]]s. After slaughtering them to a man, a furious Goldbug barged in and pointed his gun in Starscream's face, ready to execute him regardless of the consequences. {{storylink|Shattered Glass issue 4|Shattered Glass #4}}

Before Goldbug could make good on this threat to kill both Starscream ''and'' the reluctant Jetfire, Megatron gathered his remaining followers and launched a full-scale assault on Gold City. At that moment, Jetfire finally rejected the Autobots by punching Goldbug in the face and freeing his old friend amidst the confusion. However, Goldbug had enough strength left to blast Starscream in the chest; although the Decepticon flier survived this first shot, Goldbug easily reached into the wound, ripped his [[spark]] from his body; as he fled, Goldbug coldly reminded Jetfire that Starscream was ''never'' going to leave Gold City alive.

[[File:ShatteredGlassIIissue3-Goldbugdies.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4]]

The Decepticons successfully liberated Gold City, but Goldbug escaped amidst the confusion and retreated to Metroplex's resting ground, deep within the [[Static Zone]], where he used the information encoded on Starscream's spark to reactivate the Titan. {{storylink|Shattered Glass issue 5|Shattered Glass #5}}

Although he'd successfully implanted Starscream's spark into Metroplex's systems, Goldbug struggled to bring the giant Transformer online: Metroplex would stop and start at random, and the rogue Autobot had made very little progress when Slicer, still posing as Goldbug's loyal underling, finally tracked him down. Slicer was able to stall Goldbug long enough for him to send a coded signal to [[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]] and the other Wreckers, but when a passing Decepticon patrol attacked the Titan, Slicer and Goldbug easily took down the lightly-armored fliers. Before Slicer could turn on Goldbug, however, Goldbug turned on Slicer, wrestled him to the ground, and prepared to execute his former lieutenant: he'd been aware that Slicer had been double-crossing him the entire time. As Goldbug prepared to squeeze the trigger, Slicer spied Jetfire approaching from behind and got out of the way just in time—when the vengeful Jetfire landed, he caught Goldbug unawares and avenged Starscream by fatally flattening the little Autobot. {{storylink|Shattered Glass II issue 3|Shattered Glass II #3}}

{{--}}

==Games==
===''Transformers Legends''===
During an Autobot attempt to launch from Cybertron in a battleship, Grimlock, [[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]], and Goldbug were distracted from reaching the launch site and ended up chasing Ravage instead. {{storylink|Shattered Glass (Legends)|Shattered Glass}}
{{--}}

===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
[[File:EW-SG-Goldbug.jpg|thumb|upright=1.25|]]
{{charstubgame|{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}}}

===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
At some point, Goldbug fought against [[Storm Shadow]] and a [[Tommy Oliver|white Power Ranger]]. {{storylink|Field Guide to Action and Adventure}}

==Toys==
===''Timelines''===
[[File:ShatteredGlasstoy-Goldbug.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|Started a "Bad Bugs" club with [[Bug Bite (GoBots)|Bug Bite]].]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-sad|'''Shattered Glass''' ([[BotCon]] box set, [[2008]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Launcher, missile, key

:Part of [[BotCon 2008]]'s [[exclusive]] box set of five figures, ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' Goldbug is a [[retool]] of ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys#Cybertron|Hot Shot]] with a new head sculpt based on "[[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1]]" [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Goldbug|Goldbug]] and a new black, yellow, and blue color scheme, bearing a little resemblance to [[:File:Movie Deluxe StealthBumblebee toy.jpg|Stealth Bumblebee]]. He transforms into a modified {{w|Chrysler ME Four-Twelve}} concept car. Plugging a [[Cyber Key]] into his trunk (his is a clear-orange [[Velocitron]]-style key with a black border) deploys transparent blue wings from his spoiler. The toy also comes with a spring-loaded missile-launching gun that can be carried in robot mode or pegged into the roof of the car mode.

:The original version of this mold was also used to make ''Cybertron'' [[Excellion (Cybertron)#Toys|Excellion]] and the [[Transformers (2007 toyline)|2007 ''Transformers'']] [[Breakaway (Movie)#Toys|Breakaway]].

:Goldbug is only available as part of a set of six toys, along with [[Optimus Prime (SG)#Toys|Optimus Prime]], [[Jazz (SG)#Toys|Autobot Jazz]], [[Grimlock (SG)#Toys|Grimlock]], [[Razorclaw (SG)#Toys|Razorclaw]], and [[Starscream (SG)#Toys|Starscream]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/BCGoldbug/goldbug.htm More information on Goldbug at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

{{CybertronHotShotMold}}

===''Shattered Glass Collection''===
[[File:TF-Shattered-Glass-Collection-Goldbug.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|Ah yes, Bumblebee rebuilt into a bigger, badder body, that's definitely what this is.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-sa|'''Autobot Goldbug''' (Deluxe Class, [[2021]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Three-piece bazooka, 2 skis, car trunk
{{toydesigner|[[Lenny Panzica]] and [[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro)<ref>[[August 13]], [[2021]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-r_ueBc4R0 "Fan First Friday | Transformers Livestream"] on YouTube, with [[Evan Brooks]], [[Ben MacCrae]], and [[Isabella Weiss]].</ref>|[[AJ Piejko-Brown]] (packaging)}}

: Released as part of the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Shattered Glass Collection|Shattered Glass Collection]]'' subline, "Autobot Goldbug" is a new-head retool of ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Earthrise]]'' [[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Cliffjumper]]. Unusually small for a Deluxe Class figure, Goldbug transforms into a custom 1980s sports coupe; hybridizing the Porsche 924 Turbo and {{w|Mitsubishi Starion}} models. Goldbug's vehicle mode possesses molded high-performance brake discs, carried over from a mainline ''Transformers'' figure. As can be expected of a figure based on a ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' release, Goldbug includes numerous 3 mm posts and [[5 mm post|5 mm ports]] for attaching weapons, [[Fire Blast effect]]s, and other accessories as part of the [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System]]/[[F.O.S.S.I.L. Technology]]. However, attaching a Weaponizer/[[A.I.R. Lock System|Modulator]]/Fossilizer figure can be challenging due to Goldbug's small size.

: Goldbug features a redeco of Cliffjumper's bazooka. It can split into two smaller blasters and a pair of skis that can attach under his wheels. The backend of the cannon can fold out to fit in his car mode's underside to help balance when skis are deployed, while also being used as a melee weapon. It can also be mounted on either his thigh or on the side or top of his shoulder meaning you can put the entire cannon in these spots. Similarly, his detaching car trunk can either be put into the robot mode's back or be used as a shield with the help of a flip-out peg. This peg and the backend of the cannon use a unique post and port to connect to each other. Initial photos appeared to show Goldbug using the updated taller "collar" assembly introduced on [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Bumblebee]], although the final figure sticks with the original, shorter assembly from Cliffjumper.

: Goldbug also includes the [[Shattered Glass issue 4|fourth issue]] of [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (IDW)|Shattered Glass]]'' "Shards" mini-series, with an exclusive cover featuring spot UV.

: Much like the rest of the subline, Goldbug is a [[Hasbro Pulse]] exclusive in the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom. His existence was spilled by Hasbro Pulse prematurely when ''Shattered Glass Collection'' [[Starscream (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Starscream]]'s front page advertisement named Goldbug instead of Starscream,<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/hasbro-mentions-shattered-glass-goldbug-but-shows-sg-starscream-instead.1214062/ "The latest figure in the Transformers Generations Shattered Glass Collection: Goldbug & IDW Shattered Glass with Variant Cover"]</ref> much like the accidental reveal of ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' [[Red Wing (G1)#Toys|Red Wing]] and ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Earthrise]]'' [[Thrust (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Thrust]].

: This mold was also used for ''War for Cybertron Trilogy [[Generations Selects (toyline)|Selects]]'' [[Hubcap (G1)#Generations Selects|Hubcap]] and [[Bug Bite (GoBots)#Generations|Bug Bite]], and was extensively retooled into ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Bumblebee]].
{{WFCEarthriseCliffjumperMold}}
{{-}}

==Merchandise==
===''Magic: The Gathering''===
[[File:MTG-SG-Goldbug.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The {{w|Napoleon complex|Napoleon}} of crime.]]
*'''Goldbug, Humanity's Ally / Goldbug, Scrappy Scout''' (2022)
**''ID number:'' '''025'''
**''Set code:'' '''BOT'''
**''Color identity:'' '''White/Blue'''
**''Casting cost:'' '''{1}{W}{U}''' (front), '''{W}{U}''' (back)
**''Artist:'' [[Josh Perez]]
:"Goldbug, Humanity's Ally" is part of the 2022 ''[[Magic: The Gathering]]'' ''[[mtg:Universes Beyond|Universes Beyond]]'' ''[[mtg:Transformers|Transformers]]'' card set, found in Collector Booster packs of ''Magic''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> ''[[mtg:The Brothers' War|The Brothers' War]]'' set. It can be reversed to become "Goldbug, Scrappy Scout", representing Goldbug in vehicle mode.
:A variant of this card was available in both Set Booster and Collector Booster packs, depicting [[Bumblebee (G1)/merchandise#Magic: The Gathering|"Generation 1" Goldbug]].

{{-}}
===''Blokees''===
{{Note|Every case comes with a random Commemorative Card, with 10 Common, 1 Gold, and 1 Silver for each out of every 12 cards.}}
[[File:Blokees-TF-GV-Defender-02-Chase-SG-Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|250px]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-sa|'''Special Galaxy Type SG-Bumblebee''' (Defender Version, 2025)}}</ul>
:*''Series:'' '''Defender Version 02 - The Overthrow'''
:*''Accessories:'': Pistol

:Released as part of the second wave of the ''[[Blokees]]'' "[[Blokees#Defender Version|Galaxy Version Defender]]" line of blind boxes, this Bumblebee (in his pre-Goldbug body) is an articulated 2.2-inch (5.5cm) figure kit (a few inches smaller than the "Galaxy Version" kits) redecoed from the previous line's "Brilliant Bumblebee", and he comes with the same generic pistol, with a burnt barrel effect sprayed on. As with other Special Galaxy Type chase kits, SG-Bumblebee features metallic injected plastic.
{{--}}

===Auldey===
[[File:Auldey-TF-AAE-SGBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1|"Me, Bug Bite? Nah, you haven't seen me and him in the same room now, have you?"]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-sa|'''SG Bumblebee''' (Alpha Action Elite, 2025)}}</ul>
:*''Series'': '''Attack on Earth'''
:*''ID Number'': '''AAE-018'''
:*''Accessories'': 2 pairs of hands, 1 pistol, 1 back tire, 1 flying backpack, 1 [[Energon cube|energon cube]], 1 sticker, trading card
{{toydesigner|[[Lam Ahtek]]}}

:The other chase figure(s) of second wave of [[Auldey]]'s "Alpha Action Elite (AAE)" series of blindboxes, packed in alongside his [[Bumblebee (G1)/merchandise#Auldey|positive universe counterpart's identity of Goldbug]], SG Bumblebee is a 2-inch non-transforming but highly articulated action figure, redecoed from the Bumblebee mold from the same line (itself a retool of [[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys#Auldey|Cliffjumper]] from the previous wave).

:Aside from the usual slew of accessories from the original mold, Bumblebee comes with a jetpack reminiscent of the [[Wave Crusher]] from the [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Classics|''Classics'' Bumblebee]] toy, alongside a trading card. As with the [[Megatron_(G1)/merchandise#auldeymetallic|Megatron "Metallic"]] figure, this 2-pack has a much slimmer pull rate of 1/72, or once in twelve cases.

:The bio on the trading card implies that he might be [[Bug Bite (GoBots)|GoBots Bug Bite]] posing as SG Bumblebee, rather than the real SG Bumblebee himself. Additionally, the included sticker sheet features a [[Mercenary]] insignia to allow for an [[Bug Bite (G1)|optional repurposed identity]].
{{-}}

==Notes==
* Goldbug's original "Bumblebee" body never appeared in any Fun Publications stories. IDW's ''Shattered Glass'' series, on the other hand, gives him a body based on ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Bumblebee]]. His white and purple color scheme comes from Bumblebee's [[Bumblebee (SG Animated)|''Shattered Glass Animated'' counterpart]], who was in turn conceived as a homage to [[BotCon 2007]]'s [[Bug Bite (GoBots)#Timelines|''Timelines'' Bug Bite]].
** Jesse Wittenrich clarified on Twitter that if Fun Publications did illustrate Bumblebee, he'd look like his positive counterpart's [[https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:1985_happymeal_bumblebee.jpg ''Happy Meal'' toy]].<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://x.com/i/status/2043808350530383873|year=2026|month=04|day=14|name=Jesse Wittenrich|site=Twitter|quote=SG Bumblebee doesn't look like this... outside of Animated and IDW. Closest that came to it was SG Bugbite, who had red markings (sic)
Discussed it at length with all those involved in creating SG and he probably looked more like the one McD toy before becoming Goldbug}}</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Goldbug''' (ゴールドバグ ''Gōrudobagu'')

==See also==
{{OtherVersions
|charname=''Shattered Glass'' Bumblebee
|disambig=Bumblebee (disambiguation)
|body=
*[[Bumblebee (SG Animated)|Bumblebee]], the evil counterpart to [[Bumblebee (Animated)|''Animated'' Bumblebee]].
*[[Bumblebee (SG Movie)|Bumblebee]], the evil counterpart to [[Bumblebee (Movie)|"Movie series" Bumblebee]].}}

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:BotCon exclusives]]
[[Category:Convention-original characters]]
[[Category:Earth Wars Shattered Glass Autobots]]
[[Category:Hall of Fame characters]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass Autobots]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass Seekers]]
[[Category:Spies]]
[[Category:Timelines characters]]
[[Category:Transformers Roleplaying Game Autobots]]

Transformers: Age of the Primes

2026-04-10T04:49:50Z

Poliwag06: /* Exclusives */ Future proofing a bit so 2026 ones can be added more smoothly

{{disambig3|Age of Primes}}
{{nav-AOTP}}

[[File:Age of the Primes main artwork.jpg|right|thumb|350px|'''2024:''' ''"[[Megatron (One)|The Age of Primes has ended! No more false prophets!]]''" '''2025:''' ]]

'''''Transformers: Age of the Primes''''' is a [[subline imprint]] of the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' toyline, and the successor to ''[[Transformers: Legacy]]''.

First teased at [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2024]]<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/live/52ddGYMyvpE?t=11223s ''Transformers'' panel] at [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2024]] on the [[Hasbro Pulse]] YouTube channel, with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Evan Brooks]], [[Mark Maher]], [[Marcelo Matere]], and [[Nate Purswell]]</ref> and given a full reveal at [[Cybertron Con 2024|Cybertron Con]] later that year,<ref name = "CyCon25">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjmcMC9nNoA ''Age of the Primes'' reveal panel] from [[Cybertron Con 2024]] on the [[Hasbro Pulse]] YouTube channel, with Mark Maher.</ref> ''Age of the Primes'' revolves around the mythical [[Thirteen|Thirteen Primes]] and their [[Energon bloodline|descendants]].<ref name=usedtwice>{{citesocial|quote=The best part of the next 2 years is, you’ll not only collect the 13 primes but theres an amazing plethora of bots that are all descendents of the primes, you can collect them all, finish mini collections, and guess their energon bloodline.|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/DC2tKXARTg3/|name=Mark Maher|site=Instagram|year=2024|month=11|day=26}}</ref> Unlike the Thirteen's diminutive toys in the 2018 ''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' line, these are standard-sized figures, drawing from multiple designs, and each including their [[Artifacts of the Primes|artifact]]. ''Age of the Primes'' also continues the standard of scale, articulation, and compatibility for 3 mm [[Fire Blast effect|effects]] and [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System|5 mm weapons/armor]] set by the ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]''. The "descendants" of the Primes, much like ''Legacy'', are based on characters from multiple ''Transformers'' series.

Much like ''Power of the Primes'', a substantial part of the toyline is also dedicated to the [[combiner]] teams: the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] and the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]]. Both subgroups utilize a similar system to the ''Legacy'' [[Stunticon (G1)#Legacy|Stunticons]], with a Commander Class toy transforming into the torso and combining with an included frame that four smaller toys can attach to.

The line makes pretty significant changes to the smallest and largest of the size classes that have been standards over many prior years. The Core Class assortment was completely discontinued (hard to make bigger changes than ''that''), while the Titan Class toys were decreased in size, and thankfully, price. Unfortunately some size class prices went ''up'' in certain markets – most notably the Voyager Class toys.

{{bigquote|AWAKEN THE THIRTEEN|Official tagline}}

==Toys==
===Deluxe Class===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' (2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Air Raid (G1)#Age of the Primes|Aerialbot Air Raid]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Slingshot (G1)#Age of the Primes|Aerialbot Slingshot]]}}
{{Bp-pr4|[[Solus Prime#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Solus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Wasp#Age of the Primes|Fugitive Waspinator]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' (2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr6|[[Maccadam#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Alchemist Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Crasher (G1)#Age of the Primes|Decepticon Crasher]] ([[package refresh]] from ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'')}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Vortex (G1)#Age of the Primes|Combaticon Vortex]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' (2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Fireflight (G1)#Age of the Primes|Aerialbot Fireflight]]}}
{{Bp-pr5|[[Micronus Prime#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Micronus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)#Age of the Primes|Aerialbot Skydive]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Venom (G1)#Age of the Primes|Venin]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF-Age of the Primes-Solus Prime.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Solus Prime#Age of the Primes|Solus Prime]]]][[File:AOTP-QuintusPrime.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Quintus Prime#Age of the Primes|Quintus Prime]]]]
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' (2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Blast Off (G1)#Age of the Primes|Combaticon Blast Off]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jalopy|Junkion Jalopy]]}}
{{Bp-p1|[[Quickstrike (BW)#Age of the Primes|Quickstrike]]}}
{{Bp-pr10|[[Quintus Prime#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Quintus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sureshot (G1)#Age of the Primes|Targetmaster Sureshot]] (w/ [[Spoilsport#Age of the Primes|Spoilsport]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' (2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Cliffjumper (WFC)#Age of the Primes|Cliffjumper]] (package refresh from ''[[Transformers: Legacy#Legacy: United (2024-2025)|Legacy: United]]'')}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Powerglide (G1)#Age of the Primes|Autobot Powerglide]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ratchet (Animated)#Age of the Primes|Autobot Ratchet]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Smokescreen (Prime)#Age of the Primes|Smokescreen]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Swerve (G1)#Age of the Primes|Swerve]]}}
</ul>
|}
{{-}}

===Voyager Class===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' (2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr1|[[Prima#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Prima Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Red Alert (Armada)#Age of the Primes|Autobot Red Alert]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' (2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Heatwave (RB)#Age of the Primes|Rescue Bot Heatwave]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Sky-Byte (RID)#Age of the Primes|Sky-Byte]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' (2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr3|[[Alpha Trion/toys#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Alpha Trion]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Flatline (G1)#Age of the Primes|Flatline]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:AOTP-toy Amalgamous.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Amalgamous Prime#Age of the Primes|Amalgamous Prime]]]]
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' (2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr9|[[Amalgamous Prime#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Amalgamous Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Brawl (G1)#Age of the Primes|Combaticon Brawl]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)#Age of the Primes|Junkion Wreck-Gar]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' (2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr7|[[Nexus Prime#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Nexus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Sideways (Armada)#AOTPArmada|Sideways]] (w/ [[Rook (Armada)#Age of the Primes|Rook]] and [[Crosswise (Armada)#Age of the Primes|Mini-Con Crosswise]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' (2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Swindle (G1)#Age of the Primes|Combaticon Swindle]]}}
</ul>
|}
{{-}}
{{comingsoontoy | Wave 6}}

===Leader Class===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' (2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Age of the Primes|G2 Universe Grimlock]] / [[Wheelie (G1)#Age of the Primes|Autobot Wheelie]]}}
{{Bp-pr12|[[The Fallen/toys#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Megatronus the Fallen]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' (2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr8|[[Onyx Prime#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Onyx Prime]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' (2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|[[Big Convoy (BW)#Age of the Primes|Maximal Big Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Razorclaw (Universe)#Age of the Primes|Razorclaw]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:AOTP Megatronus the Fallen.jpeg|thumb|200px|[[The Fallen/toys#Age of the Primes|Megatronus the Fallen]]]]
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' (2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr11|[[Liege Maximo#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Liege Maximo]]}}
</ul>
|}

{{comingsoontoy|Wave 4}}
{{-}}

===Big ticket items===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="25%" valign="top"|'''Commander Class'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Silverbolt (G1)#Age of the Primes|Aerialbot Silverbolt]] (2025)}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Onslaught (G1)#Age of the Primes|Combaticon Onslaught]] (2026)}}
</ul>
|
|width="50%" valign="top"|'''Titan Class'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr13|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Age of the Primes|The Thirteen Star Optimus Prime]] (w/ [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Age of the Primes|Micromaster Autobot Hot Rod]]) (2025)}}
</ul>
|
|width="25%" valign="top"|[[File:AOTPTitanStarConvoy.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Age of the Primes|Star Optimus Prime]]]]
|}
{{-}}
{{comingsoontoy|Combaticon Onslaught}}

==Exclusives==
''Age of the Primes'' continues ''Legacy'''s trend of themed "capsule" lines exclusive to various retailers, beginning in 2025 with the "Wreck 'n Doom Collection", a [[Wreckers]] vs. [[Mayhem Attack Squad]]-themed line continuing on from the previous "Wreck 'n Rule" and "Doom 'n Destruction" collections, exclusive to [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]] in North America. That same year, [[Walmart]] had an (incredibly small) line themed around ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' in celebration of its 20th anniversary. The ''[[Generations Selects (toyline)|Generations Selects]]'' assortment from previous lines remains, with a new packaging design based on the other ''Age of the Primes'' toys.

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Walmart ''Cybertron'' Deluxes'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Excellion (Cybertron)#Age of the Primes|Excellion]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Sideways (Armada)#Age of the Primes|Sideways]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Amazon ''Wreck 'n Doom Collection'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-wrmas|[[Carnivac (G1)#Age of the Primes|Carnivac]] vs. [[Ironfist (G1)#Age of the Primes|Fisitron]] (w/ [[Survivor (AOTP)#Toys|Decepticon Survivor]])}}
{{Bp-wrmas|[[Sandstorm (G1)#Age of the Primes|Autobot Sandstorm]] vs. [[Slugslinger (G1)#Age of the Primes|Slugslinger]] (w/ [[Caliburst (G1)#Age of the Primes|Caliburst]])}}
{{Bp-wrmas|[[Spinister (G1)#Age of the Primes|Spinister]] vs. [[Topspin (G1)#Age of the Primes|Topspin]] (w/ [[Hairsplitter#Age of the Primes|Hairsplitter]], [[Singe#Age of the Primes|Singe]], and [[Freezeout (TR)#Age of the Primes|Freezeout]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Generations Selects'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Trypticon (G1)#Generations Selects|Trypticon]] (w/ [[Full-Tilt (G1)#Generations Selects|Full-Tilt]] and [[Wipe-Out#Generations Selects|Necro]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Snarl (G1)#Age of the Primes|G2 Universe Dinobot Snarl]] / [[Slag (G1)/toys#Age of the Primes|G2 Universe Dinobot Slug]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Swoop (G1)/toys#Age of the Primes|G2 Dinobot Swoop]] / [[Sludge (G1)#Age of the Primes|G2 Dinobot Sludge]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Monstructor (G1)#Age of the Primes|Decepticon Monstructor]] ([[Icepick (G1)#Age of the Primes|Monster Icepick]], [[Birdbrain#Age of the Primes|Monster Birdbrain]], [[Bristleback#Age of the Primes|Monster Bristleback]], [[Scowl (G1)#Age of the Primes|Monster Scowl]], [[Slog (G1)#Age of the Primes|Decepticon Slog]], [[Wildfly#Age of the Primes|Monster Wildfly]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Target'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Age of the Primes|Ultra Magnus]], [[Bumper (G1)#Age of the Primes|Autobot Bumper]] vs. [[Horri-Bull#Age of the Primes|Horri-Bull]], [[Nemesis Prime (Animated)#Age of the Primes|Nemesis Prime]] (w/ [[Kreb#Age of the Primes|Kreb]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:AOTP_Deluxe_Sideways.jpg|thumb|200px|Walmart exclusive [[Sideways (Armada)#Age of the Primes|Sideways]]]]
|}
{{comingsoontoy|Monstructor}}

==''Age of the Primes'' (TakaraTomy)==
[[TakaraTomy]]'s normal-retail ''Transformers Age of the Primes'' (トランスフォーマーエイジ・オブ・ザ・プライム ''Toransufōmā Eiji obu za Puraimu'') toyline is largely the same as Hasbro's, with no notable changes to the toys proper (other than the omission of the tampographed Hasbro product code numbers); the one "big" change is that the packaging adds [[List of Japanese ID numbers|ID numbers]] for each item.

===General retail===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[June 28]], [[2025]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-01 [[Silverbolt (G1)#Age of the Primes|Silverbolt]]}}
{{Bp-pr4|AOTP-02 [[Solus Prime#Age of the Primes|Solus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-03 [[Wasp#Age of the Primes|Waspinator (Animated)]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[July 26]], 2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-04 [[Air Raid (G1)#Age of the Primes|Air Raid]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-05 [[Slingshot (G1)#Age of the Primes|Slingshot]]}}
{{Bp-pr12|AOTP-06 [[The Fallen/toys#Age of the Primes|Megatronus the Fallen]]}}
{{Bp-pr1|AOTP-07 [[Prima#Age of the Primes|Prima Prime]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[August 30]], 2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-08 [[Red Alert (Armada)#Age of the Primes|Red Alert (Armada Universe)]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-09 [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Age of the Primes|Grimlock (G2 Universe)]] & [[Wheelie (G1)#Age of the Primes|Wheelie]]}}
{{Bp-pr13|AOTP-10 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Age of the Primes|Star Optimus Prime]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' ([[September 27]], 2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr6|AOTP-11 [[Maccadam#Age of the Primes|Alchemist Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-12 [[Heatwave (RB)#Age of the Primes|Rescue Bots Heatwave]]}}
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-13 [[Trypticon (G1)#Generations Selects|Decepticon Trypticon]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=4|[[File:AOTP-toy Heatwave.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Heatwave (RB)#Age of the Primes|Rescue Bot Heatwave]]]][[File:AOTP-Venin.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Venom (G1)#Age of the Primes|Venin]]]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' ([[October 25]], 2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-14 [[Vortex (G1)#Age of the Primes|Decepticon Vortex]]}}
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-15 [[Sky-Byte (RID)#Age of the Primes|Sky-Byte (RID 2001 Universe)]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' ([[December 27]], 2025)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr5|AOTP-16 [[Micronus Prime#Age of the Primes|Micronus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-17 [[Venom (G1)#Age of the Primes|Venin]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-18 [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)#Age of the Primes|Skydive]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-19 [[Fireflight (G1)#Age of the Primes|Fireflight]]}}
{{Bp-pr3|AOTP-20 [[Alpha Trion/toys#Age of the Primes|Alpha Trion]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 7''' ([[January 31]], [[2026]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-21 [[Flatline (G1)#Age of the Primes|Decepticon Flatline]]}}
{{Bp-pr8|AOTP-22 [[Onyx Prime#Age of the Primes|Onyx Prime]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 8''' ([[March 28]], 2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr10|AOTP-23 [[Quintus Prime#Age of the Primes|Quintus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-24 [[Blast Off (G1)#Age of the Primes|Blast Off]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-25 [[Sureshot (G1)#Age of the Primes|Sureshot]]}}
{{Bp-p1|AOTP-26 [[Quickstrike (BW)#Age of the Primes|Quickstrike]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-27 [[Jalopy#Age of the Primes|Junkion Jalopy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-28 [[Sideways (Armada)#Age of the Primes|Sideways]]}}
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 9''' ([[April 25]], 2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr9|AOTP-29 [[Amalgamous Prime#Age of the Primes|Amalgamous Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-30 [[Brawl (G1)#Age of the Primes|Brawl]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-31 [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)#Age of the Primes|Junkion Wreck-Gar]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 10''' ([[May 30]], 2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|AOTP-32 [[Big Convoy (BW)#Age of the Primes|Maximal Big Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-33 [[Razorclaw (Universe)#Age of the Primes|Razorclaw]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 11''' ([[June]] 2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|AOTP-34 [[Onslaught (G1)#Age of the Primes|Onslaught]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|AOTP-35 [[Sideways (Armada)#Age of the Primes|Sideways (Armada Universe)]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 12''' ([[September]] 2026)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-pr7|AOTP-36 [[Nexus Prime#Age of the Primes|Nexus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-37 [[Powerglide (G1)#Age of the Primes|Powerglide]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-38 [[Ratchet (Animated)#Age of the Primes|Ratchet (Animated)]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-39 [[Swerve (G1)#Age of the Primes|Swerve]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-40 [[Smokescreen (Prime)#Age of the Primes|Smokescreen (Prime Universe)]]}}
{{Bp-a1|AOTP-41 [[Cliffjumper (WFC)#Age of the Primes|Cliffjumper (Prime Universe)]]}}
{{Bp-pr11|AOTP-42 [[Liege Maximo#Age of the Primes|Liege Maximo]]}}
</ul>
|}
{{comingsoontoy|Waves 9 through 12}}

===Exclusives===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[TakaraTomy Mall]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-wrmas|AOTP-EX [[Sandstorm (G1)#Age of the Primes|Autobot Sandstorm]] vs. [[Slugslinger (G1)#Age of the Primes|Slugslinger]] (w/ [[Caliburst (G1)#Age of the Primes|Caliburst]])}}
{{Bp-wrmas|AOTP-EX [[Carnivac (G1)#Age of the Primes|Carnivac]] vs. [[Ironfist (G1)#Age of the Primes|Fisitron]] (w/ [[Survivor (AOTP)#Toys|Decepticon Survivor]])}}
{{Bp-wrmas|AOTP-EX [[Spinister (G1)#Age of the Primes|Spinister]] vs. [[Topspin (G1)#Age of the Primes|Autobot Topspin]] (w/ [[Hairsplitter#Age of the Primes|Hairsplitter]], [[Singe#Age of the Primes|Singe]], and [[Freezeout (TR)#Age of the Primes|Freezeout]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:TF-AOTP-Deluxe-Fisitron.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Ironfist (G1)#Age of the Primes|Fisitron]]]]
|}
{{comingsoontoy}}

==Notes==
*Concurrently with 2025’s ''[[Studio_Series#2025|Studio Series]]'' assortment, the toyline sees a return to the plastic windows not seen on Transformers packaging since ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom]]''. Also like ''Studio Series'', the boxes are now less decorated than their predecessors, replacing the full package artwork with an all-black design that has art of the figure’s robot and alternate forms on one side of the window, with the robot form on the left side of the box and the toyline’s poster on the right, and little graphics on the front showing the toy’s step count.
*The Thirteen’s roster (and many of their designs and artifacts) are pulled from [[2013]]’s ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus]]'', with the [[Thirteenth Prime]] represented by Optimus Prime in his [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Return of Convoy|Star Convoy]] form.
*''Age of the Primes'' coincides with the Thirteen's major role in the theatrical film ''[[Transformers One (film)|Transformers One]]''.
*The Thirteen's boxes feature subtly distinct livery from the "mortal" figures in the line: their names and transformation step callouts are rendered in gold rather than the usual white, and their [[Insignia/Gallery#Religious symbols|personal sigils]] developed for [[2018]]'s ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)|Power of the Primes]]'' take the place of faction symbols.
*Unlike the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' and ''Legacy'' toylines, which were each three years long, ''Age of the Primes'' is only two years.<ref name=usedtwice /><ref>{{citesocial|quote= 2026 and 2025 are linked together, I can say that, and if you can believe it we’re already starting to think a little bit about 2027.|link=https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/08/03/sdcc-2024-hasbro-interview-john-wardens-return-generations-studio-series-combiners-more-513802|name=John Warden|site=TFW2005|title=SDCC 2024 Hasbro Interview – John Warden’s Return, Generations, Studio Series, Combiners, More!|year=2024|month=08|day=03}}</ref> Also unlike those lines, it will not be rebranded with a new name for the second year.<ref>{{citesocial|quote= Yes, 2026 will also be Age of the Primes.|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/2025-generations-listings-united-wave-5-age-of-the-primes.1259609/page-1203#post-22990969|name=Evan Brooks|site=Instagram|year=2025|month=01|day=04}}</ref>
*''Age of the Primes'' was previously teased with the releases of ''Legacy'' [[Vector Prime#Legacy|Vector Prime]] and [[Malleus Minotaurus]], the former of whom was later featured on official art for the toyline.
*Though it continues to include characters from all parts of the brand’s history, ''Age of the Primes'' mostly drops the universe designations from their names.
*The majority of the figures in the toyline are identified as direct descendants of one of the Thirteen through something referred to as an "[[Energon bloodline]]" in another element derived from the Covenant, though use of the phrase "bloodline" for the concept raises some [[Reproduction|serious questions]].
*The [[Liokaiser#Legacy|Liokaiser box set]] that constituted the [[2025]] [[Hasbro Pulse#HasLab|HasLab campaign]] was branded as part of the prior ''Legacy'' line to maintain consistency with the previous [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|''Victory'']]-based Haslab Transformers<ref>{{citesocial|quote=We decided to make Liokaiser part of Legacy mainly for branding reasons. With HasLabs, a lot of fans tend to keep those figures in the box, which is a bit different from how most people collect the mainline figures. Since Victory Saber and Deathsaurus were both released under Legacy—and all three are from the same series—it just made sense to keep that consistency. We really wanted them to feel like they’re part of the same world!|link=https://news.tfw2005.com/2025/06/06/tfw-x-mark-maher-qa-aotp-haslabs-commanders-more-539034|name=Mark Maher|site=TFW2005|year=2025|month=06|day=06}}</ref>, leaving the first year of ''Age of the Primes'' without a HasLab.
*Due to ''[[Studio Series]]'' taking the Titan Class slot, [[2026]] is the first year since the inception of the price point where the main [[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|''Generations'']] imprint has gone without a Titan Class figure.

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

==External links==
*[https://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/products/tf_aop ''Transformers: Age of the Primes''] at the TakaraTomy website

{{DEFAULTSORT:Age of the Primes}}
[[Category:Age of the Primes| ]]
[[Category:Aligned toylines]]
[[Category:Animated toylines]]
[[Category:Beast Wars toylines]]
[[Category:Generation 1 toylines]]
[[Category:Generations toylines]]
[[Category:Unicron Trilogy toylines]]

Peter Lorre

2026-03-19T06:30:47Z

Poliwag06: Boo Berry mention nixed, as I don't think its mention makes sense here

{{faceless}}
'''Peter Lorre''' is some sort of famous being.

==Fiction==
===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
[[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] mocked [[B'hgdad]]'s claim to the [[Bird]] by referring to himself as Peter Lorre. {{storylink|Bird of Prey!}}

==Notes==
*[[Michael McConnohie]]'s voice for [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] in ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]]'' is an intentionally bad impression of Peter Lorre.
*Likewise [[Frank Todaro]]'s turn as [[Dirge (BW)|Dirge]] in "[[Theft of the Golden Disk]]" is based on Peter Lorre.

==External links==
*{{w|Peter Lorre}} at Wikipedia

{{DEFAULTSORT:Lorre, Peter}}
[[Category:Marvel Generation 1 humans]]
[[Category:Real people]]
[[Category:Entertainers]]

Talk:Studio Series

2026-03-10T11:31:18Z

Poliwag06: /* TF One Thundercracker: Fair Game or not? */ new section

==New category==
I am creating a new category called Category:Generation Studio Series toy images. If you have any objections, please state why. Cheers. [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 11:31, 7 April 2018 (EDT)
:The category is created, as no one objected, in these 3 days. When uploading images, please use the category stated above. [[User:Notirishman|--westjames/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 18:12, 9 April 2018 (EDT)

==Drift leaked==
Drift was revealed, and other leaked figures too. For the drift one, it's legit because it has an image, but the others, hightower and Cogman were leaked with no images. Should we add them? [[User:Memeuser17|Memeuser17]] ([[User talk:Memeuser17|talk]]) 13:33, 19 October 2018 (EDT)
:Definitely don’t add anything from unofficial leaks -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 13:44, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

== Multipacks ==

Both are "exclusives" one way or another. The Bumblebee 2-pack is more straightforward; it's offically a Traget exclusive in the US (and a Kmart exclusive in Australia), while the Bumblebee/Charlie set is a canceled Toys"R"Us exclusive (for obvious reasons, though it ''is'' still a TRU exclusive in Canada) that's now some sort of "shared online exclusive" (even though one shipment somehow made it to a single Target store despite the set not even being in Target's system). Anybody got an idea how to handle this?

On top of that, those alleged "Entertainment Earth exclusives" are also available from competitors Big Bad Toy Store, TFScource, Toywiz and even friggin' Diamond Comic Distributors.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 14:57, 25 November 2018 (EST)

==bb prime==
There’s a bumblebee voyager Optimus on the way, Should we add it? {{unsigned|YourBestPal}}
:No. The Optimus toy has only been seen in leaked images and isn't officially announced yet. Per our [[Help:Official info|guidelines]], we don't add information until it's been officially released. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:08, 20 December 2018 (EST)
::The only exception we add something if it isn't officially revealed, is if it starts poppin' up in many brick-and-mortar stores. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:42, 20 December 2018 (EST)
Uhh, just found one at my local Walmart.[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 16:28, 3 February 2019 (EST)
:If it is out, then it is OK to be added. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:37, 3 February 2019 (EST)
:Just realized, my bad, I created the optimus before it was confirmed when Tonton put out the box photos. --[[User:MrRoboto\Roboto]] ([[User talk:MrRoboto|talk]]) 20:22, 13 February 2019 (Cntr)

== Wut ==

Why do the all "not released yet" boxes say "unreleased" under them? If it means that they will not be released, why in the freaking world is there not a "toy cancelled" box instead?!--[[User:Delibirda|Delibirda]] ([[User talk:Delibirda|talk]]) 04:12, 2 December 2019 (EST)
:"Unreleased" as in "unreleased at this time". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 05:12, 2 December 2019 (EST)
:... I'd think the context would be obvious. Canceled toys are explicitly labeled as such. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:57, 2 December 2019 (EST)

== New studio series ==

Topspin
Cliffjumper
Soundwave ROTF
Leadfoot

Update the wiki!

== Studio Series 86 ==

I know that usually, we wait for official reveals since blurry photos of leaks aren't super reliable. But Kup, Scourge, and Hot Rod have been REVIEWED on YouTube. Is this a special case? What’s the verdict? Just wait? - [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 15:39, 1 October 2020 (EDT)
:I believe we wait until Hasbro makes an announcement. [[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 15:47, 1 October 2020 (EDT)
:It is not a special case at all. Reviews of leaked, un-announced toys have happened in the past, long before YouTube was a thing. We stick with only what's been officially revealed or released. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:51, 2 October 2020 (EDT)

== #69 Devastator giftset ==

So do we add that one or not? Supposedly it has been officially released in Thailand.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 20:47, 7 October 2020 (EDT)
:Add Singapore and Hong Kong to that list. [https://www.toysrus.com.sg/transformers-studio-series-devastator-pack-1064716.html] [https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/singapore-transformers-sightings.155093/page-995#post-18412699] [https://www.eptoy.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1955]--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 17:01, 14 October 2020 (EDT)

== SS Toy bios considered canon with the films? ==

I'm not 100% sure on where this question/discussion could be made. I had a question on whether the ''Studio Series'' toy bios can be considered canon with the films? I know it seems farfetched and a bit of a dumb question to ask. But Skipjack's toy bio suggests that Hasbro has possibly retconned him as Devastator's left leg instead of Rampage as Rampage's toy bio makes no idication that he is a component of Devastator. Further, Skipjack was released in the gift set. I've tried to see if there is any confirmation from Hasbro anywhere if this is an official retcon - I haven't found anything anywhere - but a lot of fans have taken to the idea that the Skipjack toy is a retcon.

Now the next one is a huge stretch, but does the inclusion of Steeljaw with Leadfoot mean that he is officially in-universe with the films despite never showing up in the film. He's not included in the bio, but his inclusion with the Leadfoot toy kinda suggests it since all the other pack-in non-transformable figurines are characters from the films (Brains, Wheelie, Laserbeak, Mini Dinobots and Igor). If that is also the case, does that mean that Thundercracker has technically been retconned into DOTM despite never appearing in the film too?

I don't know, I wanna know what you guys think and if any of these changes should be made anywhere else? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 21:25, 26 October 2020 (EDT)
:'''EDIT:''' I Found this article on Hasbro Pulse [https://old.hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/behindthedesign-transformers-devastator] - "In the movie, Skipjack and Rampage both have the same build or form but are colored differently, Skipjack being yellow and Rampage being orange." Does this statement confirm that Skipjack is actually the yellow bulldozer that forms Devastator's leg? It was stated by a Hasbro employee so can we make it official on the wiki? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 21:41, 26 October 2020 (EDT)

::In Thundercracker's case, his article already includes his Studio Series bio under the "Toy Bios" section and that's the best we can do about it. We can't go ahead and declare that he ''is'' in the movie when he pretty clearly ''isn't''. The Studio Series line also includes toys like [[Dairu]] and [[Uruaz]] and I don't think anybody will try to argue that they appeared anywhere in the movies. Now, about Skipjack, I do agree that it's possibly a retcon, but I'm not sure what the wiki should do either. Maybe the "Who is Skipjack?" section you added to his article is the best we can do until something more official comes along.--[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 03:12, 27 October 2020 (EDT)
:::I had a feeling that Thundercracker and Steeljaw's relevance on this topic would be a bit of a stretch as I stated before. But I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way on the whole Skipjack VS Rampage topic. I've spent just about my entire day trying to find information on it to make it more worth the discussion lol. I just wanted to run it past everyone else and put it out there as I'm not sure on what can be considered a retcon and who can be considered relevant enough as a reliable source to retcon something into official fiction. {{unsigned|Fanofcoolstuff27}}

No, the bios are not canon with the films. They're indicative of what Hasbro interprets on the film, and certainly they influence how we categorize certain characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:22, 27 October 2020 (EDT)

== SS74 ==

So, ROTF BB waas revealed today, and he's #74 and part of Buzzworthy Bumblebee. What size class is he though? --[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 20:37, 17 December 2020 (EST)

== DOTM Soundwave ==

Do we know if DOTM Soundwave from the wave 8 Deluxes was repacked in the wave 9 case? The reason I ask is because the entirety of wave 8 was skipped here in New Zealand (not uncommon, since wave 5 Deluxes and Voyagers, wave 12 Voyagers and wave 3 Leaders were also among those skipped), yet, I managed to snag Soundwave alongside the wave 9 Deluxes back in 2020. I know we don't list repacks in this article, but we sometimes do in the individual articles. I just wondered if anyone may know for sure whether that was the case or not? I also noticed that ROTF Scavenger was missing from the wave 4 Leaders whenever DOTM Shockwave came out here in 2020, but then he miraculously appeared in mid-2021 when ROTF Overload appeared on store shelves.

If anyone knows if these are repack cases, let me know, because I just thought it might be useful information for someone who cares. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 23:45, 22 January 2022 (EST)

==Terrorcon Faction symbols==

I noticed right where it lists the names of the Terrorcons, they have Decepticon logos instead of Terrorcon logos; Do we plan on changing those or will we wait until the movie comes out? [[User:UTube Convoy|UTube Convoy]] ([[User talk:UTube Convoy|talk]]) 23:01, 4 February 2023 (PT)

I'm VERY new here and not entirely certain, but I think since the Maximals DO all have the correct insignia, yes, the Terrorcons should have theirs as well. I assume it was a holdover from when we didn't have a logo and Decepticon logos were used as a placeholder. (That might not be what happened. Don't know for sure.) The upshot is, yes, they probably should have correct logos. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 11:18, 9 February 2023 (EST)

May want to get a more experienced editor/admin/someone to weigh in, though. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 12:26, 9 February 2023 (EST)
:So funny story we actually got the new bullet point graphic hooked up while y'all were talking about it. The Decepticon logos were indeed placeholders. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:52, 9 February 2023 (EST)

...wow, I was right. Neat. Nice to see that matter is settled! [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 18:11, 9 February 2023 (EST)

==Splitting by year==

I believe that after 5 years and many waves, Studio Series warrants having its toy listings separated by year, the same way we treat the 1984 toyline and Beast Wars.
The introduction of core class in the last year already throws the chronological order of releases out of wack. Not to mention having these toys all lumped together with no filtering makes it harder for users to know when they came out at first glance. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 16:49, 15 April 2023 (EDT)

:Good idea. It was bound to get confusing after awhile, so I'm in favor of this. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 07:32, 17 April 2023 (EDT)
::I second that! --[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 07:41, 17 April 2023 (EDT)
:::I agree it's time we start listing the toys by year. This way readers will have a better grasp on the release history of the line. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 08:21, 17 April 2023 (EDT)
::::Also in favor. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:07, 17 April 2023 (EDT)
:::::Yes, please! --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 15:28, 17 April 2023 (EDT)
::::::Aye [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 23:17, 19 April 2023 (EDT)
:::::::I think that would be a great idea. Since with studio series lasting this long it would be good to know which figures came out when in a proper and concise manner especially when a whole entire size class got introduced in the line a year or 2 ago -- [[User:Shoutsuo|Shoutsuo]] ([[User talk:Shoutsuo|talk]]) 23:32, 19 April 2023 (EDT)
::::::::Aye!-- [[User:TitaniumToughGuy|TitaniumToughGuy]] ([[User talk:TitaniumToughGuy|talk]]) 07:35, 20 April 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::I'm fine with this, it's a sensible organisational measure at this point. That being said it should absolutely be done by "product year" (i.e. factoring in how the product that comes out Nov/Dec is typically wave 1 for the new year), which is a concrete thing, in contrast to "when retail sighting is first reported online". [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 10:39, 23 April 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::: I saw gherkins draft. Maybe the exclusives should also be sorted.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 11:01, 23 April 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::::If doable, exclusives should definitely be divided up into each year section, like we do with G1 and Beast Wars. But if it's not doable, I won't lose sleep over it. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 12:25, 23 April 2023 (EDT)

:I support, as you can probably tell by [[User:TheLastGherkin/Stud|the way I've spent my Sunday afternoon]]. This is just a grunt work proof of concept, and probably needs titivating. Certainly I trust Jalaguy's knowledge of product years over the layout in my sandbox. I don't know that it looks ''less'' like a wall of text, but it's certainly preferable to the asynchronous mess we have now. Could do with a clearer break between years though maybe. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 14:06, 23 April 2023 (EDT)
::Also I added a tidbit in the lead about the backdrops being the "studios" in "''Studio Series''" which I'm sure I picked up from a Hasbro livestream or something. If anyone can cite that for me that'd be poggers. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 14:08, 23 April 2023 (EDT)
:::I'm loving the way this looks. I do have one thing to say, though: I think possibly the exclusives should all be at the bottom- still separated by year of course, but this way you've got the mainline all together, then all the exclusives together. It doesn't strictly ''matter'', per se, but I think it'd be nice. Keep the exclusives from getting mixed up with standard retail and suchlike. Standard mainline (2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023), then exclusives separated the same way. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 07:39, 24 April 2023 (EDT)
::::I for one think it's better to separate the exclusives by year, as it would help the reader to have a better understanding of when and why they were released in the first place. For example, the sole reason there are two exclusive rusty versions of Bumblebee in the line's first year is precisely because they were released before Clunker Bumblebee came out in the regular line a year later, otherwise they would've been extremely redundant. Another example, ROTF Bumblebee is notorious for having been release in Buzzworthy several months before the regular line, and this might also be true for other past and future releases. Plus, several exclusives feature unique numbers in the line's numbering system, so I'd rather not have the number 09 all the way down the page when it should belong with the other year one releases. --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 08:34, 24 April 2023 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, if we're gonna split by year I think placing the exclusives in chronological context is absolutely the way to go. I've also gone ahead and done the necessary product year tweaks, should be be lined up now. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 09:41, 24 April 2023 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, having 09 way down at the bottom IS stupid. I was wrong, original plan was the way to go. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 11:23, 24 April 2023 (EDT)
::::::Unless there's any objections, we're ready to launch whenever. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 13:21, 25 April 2023 (EDT)
::::::I have no objections. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 14:09, 25 April 2023 (EDT)

== Packaging Refreshes in Studio Series ==

So with the 86 Gnaw repack in wave 24 (and potentially more coming according to 2025 listing leaks), I was wondering if it'd be worth adding him (and later refreshes) to the wave breakdowns? We do it with Legacy stuff like Transmetal II Megatron mainly because the name of the line changed. But I think it would still be worth mentioning here because one, it's been ''years'' since he was first released and two, it ''is'' a "package refresh" since the packaging design has changed since. The leaked retailer listings also call them "PR" if that matters. [[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 06:07, 2 April 2024 (EDT)

==Can someone please fix the formatting starting at "TakaraTomy Line"?==
Thank you... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:24, 18 October 2024 (EDT)
:Should be fixed. There was line in 2025 section that was shifting everything over –[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 18:37, 18 October 2024 (EDT)

== DotM Wheeljack/Que ==

This page says Wheeljack, but Wheeljack's page says the toy's name is Que. Which is it? [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 17:46, 8 January 2025 (EST)
:I feel we should wait until the toy is officially revealed to confirm what his name will be. My guess is it'll be Que since with DOTM Mirage/Dino, they went with his on-screen name, so I see them doing that with Wheeljack/Que.--[[User:CyclonustheWarrior|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior|talk]]) 18:07, 8 January 2025 (EST)

== Megatron ==

https://x.com/TF_pr/status/1928285241820561897?t=mImiuZAykJ-r3LwZNdaIyw&s=19 TT teased that rumored ss86 megatron thats been floating around the internet here. When they reveal it, will it be fair game to put here or do we need to wait for hasbro to confirm if first?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 23:17, 29 May 2025 (EDT)
:I think it’s fair game since a Takara reveal is just as valid as a Hasbro one. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]])

== TF One Thundercracker: Fair Game or not? ==

https://news.tfw2005.com/2026/03/09/transformers-studio-series-transformers-one-deluxe-thundercracker-first-look-559319 He's listed on Hasbro's Taobao site, but he's not on here yet. Is this not fair game yet?--[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 07:31, 10 March 2026 (EDT)

Optimus Prime (One)

2026-03-03T02:36:14Z

Poliwag06: /* Studio Series */ Source: emgo's video

{{factions|autobot|hofsilver}}
{{disambig3|Optimus Prime}}
:''Optimus Prime is an [[Autobot]] from [[Transformers One (franchise)|One]].''
[[File:One-Optimus-Prime-full-body.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Bring me Sentinel!"]]

Bold and daring, '''Orion Pax''' came from humble beginnings as a [[cogless]] energon miner who, growing bored with his duties, snuck around in the archives to learn about the [[Thirteen|Primes]]. Yearning for adventure and the autonomy to make his own choices, he often tricked his by-the-books best friend [[Megatron (One)|D-16]] into breaking the rules and getting them both in trouble.

Part of the reason for this is that the same relentless enthusiasm that drives Pax tends to blind him to potential flaws in his plans, such as their being dangerous. Or poorly thought out. Or just utterly ''stupid''. And yet no matter how many setbacks he encounters Pax never loses faith that this time he's on to a winner, and it's that drive that convinces others to go along with him.

Despite this, his spark is very much in the right place, and as his sense of justice matured, he was bestowed the [[Matrix of Leadership]], becoming the legendary hero '''Optimus Prime'''.

{{bigquote|We stand here together as one, proving we all have the the power to transform; to become who we were destined to be; to right wrongs; to make our world better. Because here, freedom and autonomy are the right of all sentient beings. Here, all are truly ''Autobots''.|Optimus Prime|''[[Transformers One (film)|Transformers One]]''}}

==Fiction==
===''One'' film===
{{voiceactor|[[Chris Hemsworth]] (English), [[Yūichi Nakamura]] (Japanese)|[[Goran Višnjić]] (Croatian), [[Tommy Morgenstern]] (German), [[Adrien Antoine]] (European French), [[Martin Desgagné]] (Canadian French), [[Andrés Gutiérrez Coto]] (Latin-American Spanish), [[Ivan Labanda]] (Spain Spanish), [[Mauro Horta]] (Portuguese), [[Massimiliano Manfredi]] (Italian), [[Tuukka Haapaniemi]] (Finnish), [[Przemysław Glapiński]] (Polish), [[Jang-hyeok An]] (Korean), [[Zeki Atlı]] (Turkish), [[Dmitry Gavrylov]] (Ukrainian)}}

Despite lacking a cog, the energon miner Orion Pax was an incredibly bold bot who dreamed of proving his and other cogless transformers' worth, often getting into trouble for failing to obey rules or follow protocol. Orion befriended the unambitious [[Megatron (One)|D-16]], who idolized [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and spent most of his time pulling Orion out of one jam or another. Once, Orion became convinced that he could transform without a transformation cog, and D-16 had to spend three days getting his friend back into shape. On several occasions, Orion broke into the city's archives searching for information about the missing [[Matrix of Leadership]]. After the latest such illicit adventure, D-16 helped him escape from the [[Guard (One)|archive guards]], and Orion gifted his best friend with a pristine sticker of [[The Fallen|Megatronus Prime]]. During a mining expedition, Orion broke protocol with D-16 to rescue [[Jazz (One)|Jazz]] after a vein of unstable energon caused the mine to collapse. In response to his breaking of protocol, his captain, [[Elita-1 (One)|Elita-1]] was fired and demoted by [[Darkwing (One)|Darkwing]]. Angered by this injustice, Orion reminded Darkwing that while he lacked a Transformation Cog, his finger could still transform into a rude gesture, causing Darkwing to almost deck Orion until D-16 intervened by punching Orion and trying to apologize on his behalf before being knocked down himself.

Following the mining incident, [[Sentinel Prime (One)|Sentinel Prime]] announced his return from the surface, informing the city that he had failed to find the Matrix, but that work would be stopped so that everyone could watch the Iacon 5000 race the following day. Seeing an opportunity to show everyone their potential, Orion tricked D-16 into entering alongside him, coming close to victory until D-16 was injured on the final stretch. While trying to convince an upset D-16 that participating in the race wasn't a mistake, the pair were visited by Sentinel Prime, who praised them for inspiring the other miners to work harder and granted them access to his personal repair bay. However, before they could be escorted, Darkwing, angry at the pair for nearly beating him in the race, took them down to waste management at sublevel 50 where the two met [[Bumblebee (One)|B-127]].

While B-127 was introducing the pair to his artificial friends, Orion discovered that one of the sculptures contained a transmitter from [[Alpha Trion]] and a map of a possible location of the Matrix. After convincing D-16 and B-127 to accompany him on the search, the three snuck their way up the garbage chute to take a train to the surface, where they ran into Elita-1. Still royally steamed at Orion for getting her fired, Elita attempted to stop the departing train. Knocked off the train by Cybertron's shifting geology and left stranded on the surface, the group convinced Elita-1 to join their party in search of the Matrix. The map eventually led them to an [[Mouth of Unicron|ancient cave]] where the Primes had fallen in battle against the [[Quintesson]]s. The Matrix was not in the cave, but Orion discovered that Alpha Trion's spark still flickered and the group reactivated him with an energon cube. Trion revealed a dark truth: that Sentinel was an imposter, a false Prime who had betrayed the Primes and made a deal with the Quintessons where he would be allowed to rule Cybertron in return for paying them energon and, as a result, stole the cogs from new transformers so they could mine it.
[[File:TF-One-Optimus-Prime-2024.jpg|left|300px|thumb|"I choose to run towards my problems, and not away from them. Because's that– because's that what heroes do."]]
Though a bitter pill to swallow, Orion remained hopeful and announced his plan to reveal the truth to Iacon. D-16 on the other hand expressed his desire to kill Sentinel for what he had done, unnerving Orion, B-127, and Elita-1. Trion granted Orion and his allies the cogs of the dead Primes,<ref>In the film, [[Micronus Prime]]'s cog is shown going to Orion, while the film's novelization states he received [[Prima|Prima Prime]]'s. It doesn't ultimately have a significant effect on the story as a whole, so deciding which cog he got somewhat becomes a matter of [[personal canon]].</ref> and they escaped as Trion held off the approaching [[Tracker|Death Trackers]]. On their journey back to Iacon, the party was captured by the former Cybertron [[High Guard]], who mistook them for Sentinel Prime's spies. After watching D-16 beat down [[Starscream (One)|Starscream]] and take control of the guard, they were attacked by Sentinel's legion of Death Trackers and his enforcer, [[Airachnid (One)|Airachnid]]. D-16, B-127, and many members of the Guard were captured, leaving Orion feeling hopeless. Elita, far from Orion's biggest fan, inspired him to keep going, reminding him that his greatest strength was his endless hope. Inspired, Orion rallied the remaining members of the Guard and organized a plan to free the others. While Elita smuggled them into Iacon, Orion made his first of many inspirational speeches to the cogless miners and convinced them to rise up against Sentinel after revealing the truth that their cogs were stolen.
[[File:One-Megs-Prime-face-to-face.jpg|thumb|300px|"Can I come home?" "The truce with Jotunheim is conditional upon your exile."]]
During the battle for Iacon, Orion helped free D-16 and the rest of the guard. While D-16 attacked Sentinel directly, Orion, B-127, and Elita instead focused on revealing Sentinel's treachery to the entire city via Airachnid's memories. After broadcasting them thoughout the entire city, D-16, despite the truth being out, was still set on killing the false Prime. Orion pleaded with him, trying to make his friend see that his path of vengeance was not the way to build the future. Shoving Orion aside, D-16 aimed his fusion cannon at Sentinel, only for his shot to hit Orion as he jumped in the way, blowing a hole through his chest and knocking him over a cliff. A horrified D-16 managed to catch Orion by the wrist, dangling over the edge. Mortally wounded, Orion begged his friend to not let go, only for D-16 to bitterly tell him he was done saving him and let him fall.

[[Primus]] took note of Orion's selfless sacrifice. As Orion plummeted into the depths, the structure of Cybertron opened up around him so that he fell into the planet's very core. There, the spirits of the Primes appeared around Orion, including Alpha Trion, who announced that Primus had judged him worthy to bear the Matrix of Leadership and be custodian of Cybertron's future. The Matrix materialized and settled into Orion's chest cavity, transforming him into Optimus Prime. Hurled back to the surface, Optimus landed before D-16, now Megatron, and fought to stop him from destroying any more of the city, ultimately forcing him to surrender by destroying his fusion cannon with an [[energon-axe]]. Saddened by the path of destruction his old friend had chosen, Optimus banished Megatron and his followers from Iacon. Knowing he could not lead the planet alone, Optimus asked Elita and B-127 to work with him, an offer that was readily accepted by both bots. Holding the Matrix high, energon began flowing in abundance once again and the miners were granted cogs, becoming fully autonomous "[[Autobot]]s". Optimus vowed that the Autobots would defend Cybertron from the Quintessons and any [[Decepticon|future enemies]]. {{storylink|Transformers One (film)|One}}

{{-}}

===''One: New Adventures''===
{{voiceactor|[[Humber Mirabal]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Energon Trick Shot Challenge!}} {{storylink|Crate Dodging Challenge: Last Bot Standing}} {{storylink|Battle Royale: Only One Shall Stand}} {{storylink|Can the Team Escape the Tomb?}} {{storylink|The Quintessons' Hide and Seek Hunt!}}}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
[[File:EW-skin-Orion Pax-One.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1|]]
{{EWskin|"One Orion Pax"|Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===''One''===
[[File:TF-One-Prime-Changers-Orion-Pax.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Am I Prime? Am I Pax? You decide!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Optimus Prime/Orion Pax''' (Prime Changers, [[2024]])}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy name'': '''Deluxe Class Optimus Prime''' (デラックスクラスオプティマスプライム)
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''OD-01'''
:*''Accessories'': 2 shoulder pipes, Energon axe, [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#One|Matrix of Leadership]]
:Released as part of ''[[Transformers One (toyline)|Transformers One]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s Prime Changers line, Optimus Prime is a Deluxe Class-ish figure and transforms from a robot to a Cybertronian truck in 20 steps. Like the other Prime Changers, he has pearlescent plastic and glittery paint applications, specifically his silver and gunmetal paint.

:His removable shoulder pipes can double as blasters. He comes with his Energon axe which can be wielded on his hands and stored on his back or between his legs in alt mode. Both the shoulder pipes and axe are [[Fire Blast effect]]-compatible. The included Matrix of Leadership stores on the backside of his truck bumper, which then folds up into his chest, though it is not directly accessible from the chest window itself like most Optimus toys with removable Matrices. The Matrix can be held using 5 mm posts with both hands, though a word of caution: the Matrix may break if the arms are pulled apart while he is holding it due to the thin plastic. There is a [[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|''Generations'']]-style 3 mm port on his posterior in robot mode for use with various industry standard action figure stands.

:Due to its short friction pegs, the wrists can become floppy or pop off easily. The stock photography on the back of his box shows him with an Autobot symbol in the center of his chest above his windshield, but the actual toy lacks one.

:Like a few of his other ''One'' toys, the Prime Changer seems to be based on an early design for Optimus Prime (see [[#Notes|Notes]]). The designers of the larger [[#Studio Series|''Studio Series'' Deluxe]] toy consider this Prime Changer toy as the Orion Pax form due to its smaller size.<ref name=April25/>

{{-}}{{anchor|MegaChangers}}
[[File:TF-One-Mega-Changers-Optimus-Prime-Orion-Pax.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Optimus Prime/Orion Pax''' (Mega Changers, 2024)}}</ul>
:Released as part of the rebranded "Mega Changers" line, this 12-inch Optimus Prime figure transforms from a robot to a Cybertronian truck. The toy itself is based on the Optimus Prime design, but the box art uses images of Orion Pax and his truck mode.

{{-}}{{anchor|Mega4pk}}
[[File:TF-One-Mega-Changers-4pk.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Bumblebee/B-127, Optimus Prime/Orion Pax, Megatron/D-16, & Starscream''' (Mega Changer 4-Pack, 2024)}}</ul>
:Mega Changer Optimus Prime/Orion Pax was re-released in November as part of a [[Target]]-exclusive multi-pack with [[Bumblebee (One)#Mega4pk|Bumblebee/B-127]], [[Megatron (One)#Mega4pk|Megatron/D-16]], and [[Starscream (One)#Mega4pk|Starscream]], $10 cheaper than the four individually.

{{-}}{{anchor|OneMask}}
[[File:TFOne Mask Optimus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Tallest smokestacks in the west.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Optimus Prime/Orion Pax''' (2-in-1 Mask, 2024)}}</ul>
:This Optimus Prime transforms into a wearable mask in 18 steps. This toy does not resemble his ''One'' design, with the robot mode having elements of his [[Evergreen]] design while the mask's mouthplate is based on his [[Optimus Prime (Movie)#Bumblebee film|''Bumblebee'']] design.

{{-}}{{anchor|PowerFlip}}
[[File:TF-One-Power-Flip-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Power Flip Optimus Prime''' (2024)}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy name'': '''Ultimate Power Change Optimus Prime''' (アルティメットパワーチェンジオプティマスプライム)
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[October 12]], [[2024]]
:*''Accessories'': sword, Energon axe, shield, [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#PowerFlip|Matrix of Leadership]]

:This large Optimus Prime toy transforms into 4 different modes: An old Leader Class-sized Orion Pax, Cybertronian Truck, a Super Class-sized Optimus Prime (by extending his torso and legs), and "Ultimate" Optimus Prime (by flipping him back like a Flip-and-Change figure). He features lights and sounds that are activated by a button on his crotch and during transformation. He includes a sword based on Prima Prime's weapon, Energon axe, Matrix of Leadership, and a shield that's just the roof of the truck mode.

:The figure's articulation is fairly limited, only having a swivel for the head and hands and joints for the arms, shoulders, and legs (the latter two having a very limited range), and lacking knees and foot articulation.

{{-}}{{anchor|RobotBattlers}}
[[File:TF-One-Robot-Battlers-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Prime found [[Excalibur]] and took the stone with it.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Optimus Prime vs. Megatron''' (Robot Battlers, 2024)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Energon sword, axe, base
:Optimus Prime transforms from a robot to a Cybertronian truck. The figure can be placed on a base to perform action moves by sliding the finger slots to knock an opponent's figure off of their base. He is packaged in a 2-pack set with [[Megatron (One)#RobotBattlers|Megatron]], and includes an additional axe accessory alongside the standard Energon sword.

<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Cybertron Rush Battle: Leader-tachi no Tatakai''' (サイバトロンラッシュバトルリーダーたちの戦い, 2024)}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''OCR-01'''
:*''Release date'': [[October 12]], [[2024]]

:The Robot Battlers Optimus Prime was released in Japan as part of a "Cybertron Rush Battle" 3-pack with [[Elita-1 (One)#One|Elita-1]] and [[Megatron (One)#RobotBattlers|Megatron]].

{{-}}{{anchor|RaceChangers}}
[[File:TF-One-Race-Changers-2pk-Optimus-Prime-Orion-Pax-vs-Megatron-D-16.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Optimus Prime/Orion Pax vs. Megatron/D-16''' (Race Changers, 2024)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': launcher
:"Race Changers" Optimus Prime/Orion Pax is, shockingly, a retool of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Bot Shots|''Bot Shots'' Blitz Shot Optimus Prime]] from [[2012]], with newly tooled front grill and a spoiler added to the back of his trailer. He features a spring-loaded [[autotransformation|automatic transformation]] to robot mode triggered when his front bumper is pressed. His chest spinner no longer has the battle gimmick, only an Autobot insignia on one side with the other sides left blank. The included launcher is a new design.

:Optimus comes in a [[Target]]-exclusive 2-pack with [[Megatron (One)#RaceChangers|Megatron/D-16]]. They can be launched at each other for combative play or have the launchers connected side-by-side for racing action. Interestingly, the launchers have "2017" molded into their bottoms, whereas the original [[Bot Shots (toyline)|Bot Shots toyline]] ended in 2013. This suggests these remolds were made for an earlier toyline but weren't released until now.

{{-}}{{anchor|IaconRace}}
[[File:Tfone-racing-warrior-optimus.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.66|"Schrödinger's Matrix bearer" postulates that this toy exists in a quantum superposition of being both Optimus Prime ''and'' Orion Pax at the same time until the presence of the Matrix is observed.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Megatron/D-16 / Optimus Prime/Orion Pax / Autobot Mirage''' (Iacon Race 3-pack, 2024)}}</ul>
:Released as part of the Target-exclusive Iacon Race 3-pack, Optimus Prime/Orion Pax is a retool of the second [[Optimus Prime (Cyberverse)#1Step2ndMold|''Cyberverse'' Optimus Prime]] 1-Step Changers toy based on his appearance in ''Transformers One'' and transforms between robot and truck modes in one step. The robot mode is based on Optimus Prime, but the truck is based on Orion Pax's with its telltale narrower windows. The box art also displays Cogged Orion Pax.

:Optimus/Orion comes packaged with [[Mirage (One)#One|Mirage]] and [[Megatron (One)#IaconRace|Megatron/D-16]]. Initial listings for the set had the name "Racing Warrior 3-pack".

{{-}}{{anchor|EnergonMatrix}}
[[File:TF-One-Energon-Matrix-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Babymus Prime.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Energon Matrix Optimus Prime''' (2024)}}</ul>
:Released exclusively for [[Walmart]], this simple figure "transforms" between his Optimus Prime and Cog-less Orion Pax forms by opening his back to rotate his head and chest panels, with the Optimus chest panel featuring a sculpted in Matrix of Leadership. His only articulation is shoulder swivels. His body is based on his cog-less form, but he is packaged as Optimus Prime.

{{-}}{{anchor|UltimateEnergon}}
[[File:Ultimate_Energon_Optimus.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.66|He's got the blue touch.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Ultimate Energon Optimus Prime''' (2024)}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy name'': '''Energon Power Optimus Prime''' (エネルゴンパワーオプティマスプライム)
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''OE-EX'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[July 13]], [[2024]]
:*''Accessories'': Energon axe, [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#UltimateEnergon|Matrix of Leadership]]

:This roughly Commander Class-sized Optimus Prime toy is exclusive to Walmart. He features translucent blue plastic for an Energon effect, including an Energon axe and a Matrix of Leadership. The Axe can be mounted onto one of the back robot mode portholes or the rear truck wheels for storage. The Matrix is removable from his chest, though the figure cannot hold it with its hands.

:He was released as a Toys"R"Us exclusive in Japan.

{{-}}{{anchor|CogChangers}}
[[File:Cog_Changers_Optimus_Orion.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|You could build a house with that alt-mode.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Optimus Prime/Orion Pax''' (1-Step Cog Changer, 2024)}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy name'': '''Cog Power Change Optimus Prime''' (コグパワーチェンジオプティマスプライム)
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''OCP-04'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[October 12]], [[2024]]

:Released as part of the Cog Changers line, Optimus Prime/Orion Pax transforms from robot to Cybertronian truck by sliding up and pressing a transformation cog shaped panel on his chest. Transformation into robot mode is done manually by flipping the upper truck hood/robot torso in place. Aside from the wider windows, the toy is based on his Cogged Orion Pax form, which is also used for packaging art.

{{-}}{{anchor|BraveCommander}}
[[File:TF-One-Brave-Commander-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|'''I'm still worthy!''']]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Brave Commander Optimus Prime''' (ブレイブコマンダーオプティマスプライム, 2024)}}</ul>
:*''Release date'': [[September 12]], [[2024]]
:*''Accessories'': Energy Axe, [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#BraveCommander|Matrix]]
{{toydesigner|[[Ittoku Kuwazu]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref name ="FK324">[https://www.soundwavesoblivion.com/techspecs/interviewgenerations2022.html Interview on ''One'' Brave Commander Optimus Prime] for ''[[Figure Ō]]'' #324 (October 2024 issue) translated at Soundwave's Oblivion</ref>

:"Brave Commander Optimus Prime" is a figure around the size of a larger Leader Class. He transforms into a Cybertron truck based on the Orion Pax design. He features an interchangeable face gimmick, opening hands, and pop-out "Energy Cannons" that work in both modes by triggering black switches on the back of his shoulders. His Energy Axe stores on his back and in vehicle mode via 5 mm ports. Optimus Prime also features a removable Matrix (the first to be fully gold like the film) inside his opening chest panel, which he can hold in his hands.

:In an undocumented feature, there's a slot on the back of the truck bed which allows him to tow the trailer of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#MP44|''Masterpiece'' MP-44 Convoy Ver.3.0]].

:Made for the TakaraTomy market, Brave Commander Optimus Prime was also available at [[Hasbro Pulse]] and other online retailers in the United States and Canada.
{{--}}

===''Studio Series''===
[[File:Studio-Series-TF-One-OP.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Unlike [[Thor]], Prime knows [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|far too]] [[Grindor (ROTF)|well how]] [[Megatron (Movie)#Dark of the Moon film|to go]] [[Infernocon|for the]] [[Scourge (ROTB)|head]].]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe Class, [[2024]])}}</ul>
:*''Movie'': '''''Transformers One'''''
:*''Hasbro ID number'': '''112'''
:*''TakaraTomy name:'' '''Optimus Prime''' (オプティマスプライム)
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SS-134'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[November 30]], [[2024]]
:*''Accessories'': 2 shoulder pipes, dual-barrel blaster, Energon Axe, [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#SSOne|Matrix of Leadership]], "Metropolis of Iacon" backdrop
{{toydesigner|[[Evan Brooks]] (Hasbro), [[Shuhei Umezu]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref name=April25>[[April 25]], [[2024]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s06YE02e844 Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream | April 2024] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Mark Maher]], and [[Evan Brooks]].</ref>

:''[[Studio Series]] One'' Optimus Prime is a larger Deluxe Class figure and transforms into a Cybertronian truck in 25 steps. His shoulder pipes are removable and can double as blasters, though they can't use [[Fire Blast effect|blast effects]] like the above [[#One|Prime Changer]]. His energon axe, however, keeps the effect peg and also fuctions similarly, pegging into his hand and storing on his back in robot mode and in the truck bed. The included Matrix of Leadership can tab into slots in his fists without the need for opening hands. He comes with a "dual-barrel blaster" meant only for his truck mode, which can be stored under his back in robot mode. Lastly, Optimus comes with a backdrop showcasing the [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] cityscape as seen in the film.

:Unfortunately, his waist skirt is rather loose, and easily falls off while posing. His dual-barrel blaster also doesn't peg in very tightly in bot mode, falling off regularly as well.

:Optimus was revealed on [[April 18]], 2024, alongside the premiere of the movie's first trailer. Released at the Deluxe Class price point, Optimus is a smaller (and more affordable) figure than previous Optimus toys in the line. He was the first figure announced to be in the "A-Level" assortment, being released outside of a main wave for extended periods for greater availability.

{{-}}{{anchor|BattleDamage}}
[[File:Hasbro-Hong-Kong-Fan-Expo-2024-SS-112-Optimus-Prime-(One).jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Where's a magic hammer when you need one?]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Optimus Prime (Limited Edition Battle Damage Ver.)''' (Deluxe Class, 2024)}}</ul>
:*''Movie'': '''''Transformers One'''''
:*''ID number'': '''112'''
:*''Accessories'': 2 shoulder pipes, dual-barrel blaster, Energon Axe, [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#SSOne|Matrix of Leadership]], "Metropolis of Iacon" backdrop
{{toydesigner|[[Evan Brooks]] (Hasbro), [[Shuhei Umezu]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref name=April25/>

:This Optimus Prime is an extensively hand-painted version of the above ''Studio Series'' Deluxe, being covered in black wash and silver battle damage. Notably, the dual-barrel blaster goes unpainted, which particularly stands out in vehicle mode.

Limited to 230 copies worldwide, each box features a numbered sticker on the front with the Transformers 40th Anniversary logo. Of the 230 units, 40 were distributed at [[Animation-Comic-Game Hong Kong|Ani-Com & Games Hong Kong]] 2024 as a gift with minimum purchases of HK$3000; 5 were distributed at Toy Expo 2024 in the [[Philippines]] with a minimum purchase of PHP20,000.

{{-}}{{anchor|SSOrionPax}}
[[File:SS TFOne Orion Pax.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The [[Sparkdrinker]] is looking a little different today.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Orion Pax''' (Deluxe Class, [[2026]])}}</ul>
:*''Movie'': '''''Transformers One'''''
:*''TakaraTomy name:'' '''Orion Pax''' (オライオンパックス)
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''TS-20'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date:'' [[May 30]], 2026
:*''Accessories'': Mining saw, Holographic 3D map

:Released as part of the 2026 ''Studio Series'' A-Level assortment, Orion Pax is based on his cogged form in the second act of the movie, transforming into a Cybertronian truck. He comes with the ''massive'' mining saw with rotating blades that he used a couple times throughout the film, which has two [[5 mm post]] compatible handles and can be stored on his robot mode back or truck bed, and a translucent holographic map of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] that can attach to a 3 mm peg on either of his forearms.

:Orion's wheels and ankles are conspicuously cast in red plastic. As the remaining Deluxe budget was allocated to the Mining Saw, Orion's height is slightly shorter than Elita-1 and slightly taller than Bumblebee/B-127.

:Hilariously, due to his transformation scheme, one could recreate his headless form he took while trying to transform for the first time in the film.

:Unusually, Orion was revealed first by [[TakaraTomy]] instead of [[Hasbro]], first teased alongside [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#SSDevastation|''Devastation'' Bumblebee]] on [[November 19]], [[2025]] before he was fully revealed on [[December 2]].
{{--}}

==Merchandise==
===Transformers One===
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Optimus Prime''' ([[2024]])}}</ul>
:A children's product based off his appearance in the ''One'' film, the Optimus Prime costume is comprised of a bodysuit and mask.

===Yolopark===
====AMK====
[[File:Yolopark-TF-One-AMK-Model-Kit-Cogless-Orion-Pax.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Near-middle finger right hand sadly not included.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''(Cog-less Bot Mode) Orion Pax''' (2024)}}</ul>
:*''Japanese Name'': '''Orion Pax (オライオンパックス)'''
:*''Japanese Release Date'': [[March]] [[2025]]
:*''Accessories'': 3 pairs of hands, <s>Cog of Conversion</s> Transformation Cog, Jetpack

:Released as part of [[Yolopark]]'s [[Yolopark#AMK_Series|Advance Model Kit (AMK)]] lineup, this Orion Pax is modeled after his Cog-less Cybertronian form, and he can only be completed by snapping the pre-painted pieces together. Aside from his hand parts, Orion also comes with an additional jetpack he used to mine (and interfere in the Iacon 5000 race), and a Transformation Cog.

:While the Cog can be installed into Orion's empty slot, it does not have holes or friction to hold it.

:Like most Yolopark AMK kits, Orion's pre-assembled parts can also be detached, except for the pinned areas, making it generally easy to customize the kit if desired.

:Orion Pax can be bought in either the default-styled "gift box" or "tin box"-styled packaging. The latter can be purchased with the other three Cog-less figures as a 4-pack that comes with an acrylic standee. In 2025, people who pre-ordered both the AMK Pro Optimus Prime and Megatron kits at certain official stores and authorized channels will receive a free gift consisting of both the AMK Cog-less Orion and D-16.

{{-}}{{anchor|AMKCogged}}
[[File:Yolopark-TF-One-AMK-Model-Kit-Cogged-Orion-Pax.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''(Cogged Bot Mode) Orion Pax''' (2024)}}</ul>
:*''Japanese Name'': '''Optimus Prime/Orion Pax (オプティマスプライム／オライオンパックス)'''
:*''Japanese Release Date'': [[March]] [[2025]]
:*''Accessories'': 2 pairs of hands, right weapon-wielding hand, pointing left hand, blaster

:This model kit of Orion Pax is based on his cogged form, and he comes with the blaster taken from the [[Tracker|Death Trackers]], and one of his pointing fingers is now swapped with an accessory-wielding hand for the weapon.
{{-}}

====AMK Pro====
[[File:Yolopark-TFO-AMK-Pro-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|300px]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Optimus Prime/Orion Pax''' (2025)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': 4 pairs of hands, Energon Axe/left hand, Tracker Blaster, 4 Optimus/Orion faceplates, Orion Pax head/shoulder/upper torso, Transformation Cog

:This ''AMK'' Pro kit of Optimus Prime/Orion is a redeco/retool of the regular AMK Cogged Orion, featuring diecast parts and light-up features, where his eyes light up when tapped on the head with a magnet. In addition to the identical accessories from the original release, the kit also features interchangeable head/shoulder/upper torso to form either Optimus or Orion, an Energon Axe/left hand, and swappable face plates compatible with both forms. The Matrix of Leadership can be removed from the chest by removing the head and neck joint, allowing it to be popped off with an auxiliary key-like tool from the front cavity of the neck. Notably, and for unknown reasons, the transparent plastic for his chest window is colored dark grey, as opposed to the film-accurate blue.

:As with most AMK Pro kits following The Last Knight's Optimus Prime, Optimus/Orion includes a display stand with an adjustable gooseneck.
{{-}}

===Blokees===
====Galaxy Version====
{{-}}{{anchor|BlokeesOptimus}}
[[File:Blokees GV05 OptimusRegular.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Galaxy Version, 2024)
**''Series:'' '''Galaxy Version 05 - One Wave 2'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 pairs of hands (Fists/Weapon-holding, Open-palm hands), Energon axe, [[Tracker|Death Tracker]] laser blaster, spare peg-and-ball piece, stand

:The headline figure of the fifth ''Galaxy Version'' wave, this [[Blokees]] kit of Optimus Prime represents the young cogged hero's new form at the climax of the film. His Energon axe pegs in with the same standard ball joint that Blokees hands use, allowing him to pose with and swing the blade with a degree of freedom. Like the rest of his wave, Optimus features an upgraded suite of standard body parts, including a new torso frame with an integrated neck ball joint, sturdier pre-assembled hinge joints, and slightly more complex builds, such as the color-coded face and eyes introduced in the second wave. Optimus also features a new pair of forearm parts with underslung peg holes (meant for placing the Tracker's arm-mounted guns) instead of being outwards on the side. Aside from the face and Tracker Blaster, most of the grey plastic is coated with bronze-ish silver paint.

:Prime's smokestacks are mounted on symmetrical pegs on his shoulder armor, giving you the option to peg them in upside down to represent his flamethrower move. Wedging them out is an entirely different matter, though.

:If you're a speed builder, be mindful when attaching the pre-assembled joints; Unlike the symmetrical joints from earlier waves, the pegs on both ends of these joints are designed to connect to specific pieces: The tabs with slightly smaller holes are intended for the upper arms and thighs, while the regular tabs are meant for the forearms and lower legs. While an incorrect knee joint assembly may cause it to very slightly lean when standing straight or in an A-stance, an incorrect elbow assembly won't be noticeably affected unless you're looking very closely.

:Optimus Prime has a pull rate of 1 in every 12 boxes, or three times across four cases.

{{-}}{{anchor|BlokeesSecret}}
[[File:Blokees GV05 OptimusSecret.jpg|thumb|upright=1|]]
*'''Optimus Prime (Secret)''' (Galaxy Version, 2024)
**''Series:'' '''Galaxy Version 05 - One'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 pairs of hands (Fists/Weapon-holding, Open-palm hands), Energon axe, laser blaster, spare peg-and-ball piece, stand

:The chase figure of ''Galaxy Version'' 05, this Optimus is molded in metallic plastic and coated in some extra delicious metallic paint, with additional printed detail on his forearms, thighs, and feet. He retains the same selection of accessories as his standard deco, with more shiny paint on his [[Tracker|Death Tracker]] blaster and tints of yellow across the edges of his blue axe.

:As is standard for ''Galaxy Version'' chase variants, Optimus has a pull rate of 1 in every 36 boxes, i.e. once in four cases.

{{-}}{{anchor|CoglessOrion}}
[[File:Blokees GV05 OrionPax.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|]]
*'''Orion Pax''' (Galaxy Version, 2024)
**''Series:'' '''Galaxy Version 05 - One'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 pairs of hands (Fists/Weapon-holding, Open-palm hands), pistol, spare peg-and-ball piece, stand

:This ''Galaxy Version'' kit of Orion Pax is represented in his cog-less form. He appears once in every case of nine blind boxes. Orion includes the usual pairs of gripping fists and open hands, a laser pistol, and a two-studded connectable figure stand. In a neat touch, the mining jetpacks included in the seventh wave's Elita-1 or D-16 are compatible with Orion once the gray panel on his back is removed to reveal the pegholes underneath.

:Though this version of Orion Pax is unaligned in the movie (as he only had this form long before the Autobots and Decepticons were formed), and therefore has no [[insignia]], he is nonetheless labeled as an Autobot in the promotional images and the instructions.

{{-}}{{anchor|GV07}}
[[File:Blokees-TF-GV-07-Cogged-Orion.jpg|thumb|300px]]
*'''Orion Pax''' (Galaxy Version, 2025)
**''Series:'' '''Galaxy Version 07 - One'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 pairs of hands (Fists/Weapon-holding, Open-palm hands), Mining Saw, Matrix of Leadership, spare peg-and-ball piece

:The seventh wave of Blokees' Galaxy Version blindboxed kits (and the second ''One''-based) features a new kit of Orion Pax. He features additional articulation, such as the double-sided ball joint neck, and a swivelling ball-and-socket torso-to-waist joint. Orion comes with a Mining Saw that can attach to one of his forearms, and the Matrix of Leadership that can be attached to any of his open hands. If one chooses, Orion can accommodate the jetpack included in the Cogless D-16 or Elita-1 kits for high-flying action.

:Unlike the previous 6 waves, Orion does not come with the lineup's figure stand.
{{-}}

====Classic/Champion Class====
{{anchor|Classic Class}}
[[File:Blokees-TF-One-Classic-Class-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Optimus Prime''' (Classic Class, 2024)}}</ul>
:*''ID number:'' '''11'''
:*''Accessories:'' 2 pairs of hands (grip, open palm), 2 face parts (masked, unmasked), Energon Axe, Matrix of Leadership, Tracker blaster, 2 figure stands, 2 energy effects

:Released as part of Blokees' ''Classic Class'' model kit line, this Optimus Prime is a 4.5-inch tall non-transforming Deluxe/Prime Changer-sized ''Gunpla''-style model kit with some pre-painted parts on the runners. He also features a torso frame that lights up upon shaking (or at least ''lightly tap'' some areas on the torso), causing the eyes and the Matrix to glow for a limited time. Aside from the usual display stand and two pairs of hand parts, Optimus also includes a Tracker Blaster (used by his cogged Orion Pax form) to hold and two different face pieces. While the pieces are molded on a touch-gate runner for easy removal of parts without nippers or tools, the former is required for a cleaner cut. The head, back piece, and upper neck collar parts must be removed first to allow access to the Matrix chamber to detach the MacGuffin.

:The smokestacks can be inverted via parts rearrangement to create their "flamethrower" mode. As the face plate assembly is a mostly one-way method, careful wiggling is required to remove them from the translucent eye/socket joint part if one wants to swap them.
{{-}}

====Action Edition====
[[File:Blokees-TF-Action-Edition-TFO-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|300px|For the ones who want him to be accurate to the ''nose''.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Optimus Prime/Orion Pax''' (2025)}}</ul>
:*Accessories: Cogged Orion Pax parts (Head, Shoulders, Chest, Back piece), 3 Orion Pax/Maskless Optimus Prime faceplaces, 5 pairs of hands, Cog-holding hand, Tracker Blaster, Energon Axe (Default, twirling), display stand with magnet-powered logo block

:The "Action Edition" Optimus Prime is a 7-inch (approx 18cm) model kit with a slightly more complex build and features an inner frame (equivalent to the ones used for ''Bandai'''s "Master/Perfect/Real Grade" kits) with greater articulation points than his other ''Galaxy Version'' toys. In addition to his signature accessories, such as the removable Matrix of Leadership and two types of Energon Axe pieces (with one being based on the twirling piece that is used to block Megatron's shots), Optimus also comes with alternate parts that allow him to be built into Orion Pax. A magnetic component in his display stand's logo symbol activates the light-up features that illuminate his eyes and the Matrix. In addition, Optimus features fixed hands instead of articulated ones, which also increases its gripping stability, and a total of three sets of optics parts.
{{-}}

===Threezero===
[[File:Threezero MDLX TFOne Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Optimus Prime''' (MDLX, 2025)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': 4 pairs of hands, 2 Chest Parts (Orion, Optimus), 2 pairs of Shoulder parts (Orion, Optimus), 2 heads (Orion, Masked Optimus), Energon Axe, Matrix of Leadership

:Sold as part of [[Threezero]]'s ''One''-based MDLX line, this Optimus Prime is a smaller-scaled non-transforming action figure in the vein of contemporary collector-oriented lines like ''Figma'' and ''S.H. Figuarts''. Like those lines, the figure is extremely well-articulated and detailed and features interchangeable hands and accessories, namely his Energon Axe and Matrix of Leadership. The figure also comes with alternative head, chest, and shoulder armor parts to create his Cogged Orion Pax or Optimus Prime forms.

:Contrary to early stock photos (right), the final figure's Energon-axe uses the correct yellow with a blue trim deco from its on-screen appearance.

:The extra Orion/Optimus hands and the Tracker Blaster from the same line's Elita-1 can be used on this figure.
{{-}}

===Killerbody===
[[File:Killerbody Baby Figurine Optimus_One.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.11|]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Optimus Prime''' (High-end Baby Figurine, 2024)}}</ul>
*''Accessories'': face mask, Ion Cannon, Energon Axe

:Released by [[Killerbody]], this non-converting super deformed Optimus features a removable mask, light-up eyes, attachable weapons, and shoulder and hip articulation.
{{--}}

==Notes==
*There appears to have been an earlier concept design for Optimus Prime that was used for several of his toys, notably the Prime Changer, Mega Changer, and Robot Battler. This design has prominent sloped kneepads, a narrower chest window (but not pinched in the middle like Orion Pax's), and an angled collar section similar to his Cogged Orion Pax design.
*One of Optimus Prime's models has a blue axe with an yellow trim instead of the yellow axe with a blue trim from the final film. This older model is in a few promotional renders and was the reference used for most of his 2024 merchandise. This coloration for the axe is also seen when it was used by its previous owner [[Zeta Prime (One)|Zeta Prime]].
*Many of his toys and merchandise also use a traditional silver/gray instead of the light bronze of his final design.
*Orion's interest in the archives is a nod to [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|his]] backstory from both ''[[Transformers: The War Within]]'' and the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned Continuity]], where he was a data clerk before becoming Prime.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Optimus Prime''' (オプティマスプライム ''Oputimasu Puraimu''), '''Orion Pax''' (オライオンパックス ''Oraion Pakkusu'')

==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:One-Orion-Pax-stock.jpg|Original miner body
File:One-Orion-Pax-cog-form.jpg|[[Transformation cog (biology)|Cogged]] form
</gallery>

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Autobot leaders]]
[[Category:Earth Wars Autobots]]
[[Category:Matrix bearers]]
[[Category:One Autobots]]
[[Category:Studio Series Autobots]]

Slipstream (Cyberverse)

2026-03-01T09:17:18Z

Poliwag06: /* Notes */

{{factions|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Slipstream}}
:''Slipstream is a [[Decepticon]] [[Seeker (Cyberverse)|Seeker]] from the [[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Cyberverse]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Slipstream-Cyberverse-Boulder-model.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
As the captain of an elite [[Seeker (Cyberverse)|Seeker]] unit (and later the commander), '''Slipstream''' is really good at bossing others around and even better at thinking up ways to destroy the [[Autobot]]s. Even [[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)|Bumblebee]] finds her leadership skills to be effective.<ref>[https://transformers.hasbro.com/en-us/brands/cyberverse Character bios] at the official ''Cyberverse'' website</ref>

She ''really'' doesn't like [[Windblade (Cyberverse)|Windblade]].

==Fiction==
===''Cyberverse'' cartoon===
{{Voiceactor|[[Lianne Marie Dobbs]] (English), [[Akeno Watanabe]] (Japanese)|[[Luisa Ziliotto]] (Italian), [[Éléonore Meeùs]] (French), [[Anna Dramski]] (German), [[Liliana Barba]] (Latin-American Spanish), [[Rita Oliveira]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}

[[File:Slipstream's altmode (Cyberverse - Terminal Velocity).jpg|thumb|left]]
In the midst of the war, during a party the [[Decepticon]]s were having at [[Maccadam's Old Oil House|Maccadam's]], Slipstream bore witness to the Beatboxing battle between [[Soundwave (Cyberverse)|Soundwave]] and [[Soundblaster (Cyberverse)|Soundblaster]]. She attempted to celebrate Soundwave's victory but was stopped by a jealous [[Starscream (Cyberverse)|Starscream]].{{storylink|The Immobilizers}} When the Decepticons tracked the [[AllSpark]] to [[Earth]], Starscream sent Slipstream to scout the organic planet while he gathered his fleet. {{storylink|Fractured}} In their early clashes with the Autobots, Slipstream accompanied [[Thundercracker (Cyberverse)|Thundercracker]] and [[Nova Storm (Cyberverse)|Nova Storm]] in locating [[Decepticon scout ship|their stolen ship]], which was currently in the possession of the Autobots Bumblebee and [[Windblade (Cyberverse)|Windblade]]. The three Seekers were eventually defeated and buried in snow by Windblade. {{storylink|Whiteout}}

When the Decepticons caught up with their shuttle, Slipstream engaged it in a dogfight only to be shot down. {{storylink|Terminal Velocity}} Using her own ship, Slipstream had another go at it. During the fight, Bumblebee jumped onto Slipstream's craft and blasted the cockpit with a [[triple-barrel ion shoulder cannon]] sending the Seeker spiralling towards Earth. {{storylink|Maccadam's}} [[Shockwave (Cyberverse)|Shockwave]] eventually interfered, trapping Bumblebee in a fake memory and telling Slipstream to retrieve the stolen ship. With the vessel now under her remote control, Slipstream used it to harass Windblade before Bumblebee triggered its self-destruct and allowed the Autobot duo to escape. {{storylink|Sabotage}}

The Seekers soon came across [[Teletraan-X (Cyberverse)|Teletraan-X]] and used the drone to bait a trap for the Autobots. Unfortunately for them, the drone's protocols led to it attacking them allowing Bumblebee, the only one who could access Teletraan, to escape. Undeterred, Slipstream ordered Windblade restrained. {{storylink|Teletraan-X (episode)|Teletraan-X}}

Using a [[cortical psychic patch]], Slipstream tried to gain useful information from Windblade to avail, only succeeding in triggering a power surge that knocked out all the Decepticons. When Slipstream awoke, she found Starscream and Shockwave waiting for her. While the former had rallied the [[Decepticon fleet]] and was on his way, the latter directed Slipstream to repair Earth's [[space bridge]]. {{storylink|Siloed}}

[[File:Slipstream after looking through Windblade's memories.jpg|thumb|Slipstream felt a bit confused since her enemies to lovers fic was coming true far quicker than she expected.]]

When Shockwave arrived, he dressed down Slipstream before revealing his plan to use [[magnetic disruptor]]s to destroy Earth's geomagnetic field and cleanse the planet of organic life. Slipstream led the ship operating at the [[Arctic|North Pole]] only for the Autobots, now bolstered by [[Grimlock (Cyberverse)|Grimlock]] to destroy the craft. {{storylink|The Extinction Event}}

It wasn't all bad though. One of [[Shockwave's drones]] had managed to tail the Autobots, leading the Decepticons to [[Mount St. Hilary]], the [[Ark (Cyberverse)|''Ark'']]<nowiki>'</nowiki>s resting point. After receiving another beat down from Windblade, Starscream called to let her know the fleet was approaching Earth only for Slipstream to reveal Shockwave had already arrived much to the Air Commander's ire. {{storylink|Awaken Sleeping Giants}}

After some more failed melee combat, the Decepticons tried to use the last magnetic disruptor to destroy the ''Ark'' only for the vessel to be reactivated in time to defend itself. With the crew awoken, the Earth-bound Decepticons regrouped with Starscream's fleet. {{storylink|Eruption}}

Some time later, the Decepticons attempted to turn a [[Moon (moon)|moon]]-based [[Planet Smasher]] on Earth, the Seekers serving as the air defence for the weapon before Grimlock tossed them around. Despite [[Megatron (Cyberverse)|Megatron]] calling Starscream for air support, the SIC led the group beneath the Planet Smasher's [[force field]], hoping that the Autobots would destroy the warlord, only to find he'd survived. When Starscream tried to blame Slipstream for his lack of his reinforcements, Megatron backhanded him and named Slipstream the new leader of the Seekers. {{storylink|Sea of Tranquility}}

[[File:Slipstream - Cyberverse - Whiteout.jpg|thumb|left]]

When the Planet Smasher was destroyed, the Decepticons fled to an underground bunker where Shockwave activated a set of [[planetary engine]]s, intending to slam the moon into the Earth so they could fish the AllSpark out of the debris field. As Megatron attempted to order Slipstream to guard the [[Nemesis (Cyberverse)|''Nemesis'']], his injured leg caused him to collapse. Before aid could be rendered, Starscream mercilessly attacked Megatron, seemingly killing him and declaring himself [[Decepticon leader]], ordering a retreat back to the ''Nemesis'' when the Autobots neared the control room. Aboard ship, Slipstream remained in the hangar bay with her troops before Starscream crashed through the wall, hurled by a furious and still alive Megatron, who killed the traitor and dumped his corpse on the lunar surface before ordering the ''Nemesis'' elsewhere. {{storylink|Bad Moon Rising}}

Shortly after, the Decepticons held a ceremony eulogizing Starscream for the benefit of the people of Earth, which was directly followed by Megatron offering the now vacant position of second-in-command to whoever could bring him the head of Optimus Prime. As the other Decepticons hurried off the bridge, Megatron briefly detained Slipstream to remind her of how useful and valuable leadership of the Seekers could be, along with a pointed reminder not to squander the opportunity. The message loud and clear, Slipstream hurried to the hangar bay to issue marching orders, only to discover the bay was empty except for Thundercracker. Slipstream then spent most of the day searching the ship for her missing troops until she finally discovered a group of them carrying [[Vector Sigma]] out of Shockwave's lab. As she was demanding an explanation, the Autobot [[Hot Rod (Cyberverse)|Hot Rod]] bowled her over as he escaped the ''Nemesis'', and by the time she recovered the Seekers were gone. {{storylink|Bring Me The Spark Of Optimus Prime}}

Annoyed by this, Slipstream pursued the Seekers by following their tracker chips' signal. She was briefly thrown off the trail when she discovered they'd discarded the trackers, but caught the trail of their energon signatures instead, leading her to the silo they'd previously used to hold Windblade captive. She threatened to execute the lot of them and demanded to know what was going on, only to be met by their true leader: Starscream, having just returned from seizing the AllSpark! {{storylink|Trials}}

Falling back in line with the others, Slipstream listened to Starscream's claims of having journeyed to the AllSpark and back following his death at the hands of Megatron. She was much less enthused when Starscream revealed his endgame: by liberating all sparks from all combatants so they could become one with the AllSpark for eternity, he would bring an end to the Autobot/Decepticon war. Her appeals to the other Seekers that he'd gone mad went unheard, even more so when he used the AllSpark to create [[spark armor]] for himself. She resorted to trying to steal the AllSpark while Starscream was distracted, but he quickly knocked her aside. Rather than finish her, Starscream offered his hand instead, asking her to wait and see what he could do with the AllSpark. Any lingering trust or belief she had in him was finally extinguished when he used Vector Sigma and the AllSpark to create [[Scraplet|monstrosities]]. {{storylink|Dark Birth}}

When Starscream addressed several of the newly created monsters as [[Solus Prime]], [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and [[Zeta Prime (Cyberverse)|Zeta Prime]], that was the last straw. Assuring Starscream she would share the truth of his insanity with the world, Slipstream fled the silo with both creatures and Seekers in pursuit. Despite her arm being disabled by a savage bite from one of the monsters, she successfully escaped. Returning to the ''Nemesis'', Slipstream approached Soundwave to warn him of the threat, but Soundwave, thinking her to be a traitor like the other Seekers, attacked her instead. She managed to fight him off and flee, looking for someone else to warn. Eventually meeting her old enemy Windblade, her desperate plea was enough to move Windblade into believing her. Tragically, before they could do anything else, she was stabbed in the back by [[Bludgeon (Cyberverse)|Bludgeon]], triggering a short but sharp battle that derailed the peace talks that were ongoing at the time. As the ''Nemesis'' departed and the peace talks lay in ruin, Slipstream's wounds proved fatal and she perished. {{storylink|Parley}}

Windblade attempted to avenge Slipstream by trying to assassinate Bludgeon, but she nearly lost her own life before a last-minute rescue by [[Wheeljack (Cyberverse)|Wheeljack]]. {{storylink|Secret Science}} Slipstream was eventually avenged when Windblade and Wheeljack used weaponized [[unspace]] material to imprison Bludgeon between universes along with Vector Sigma. {{storylink|Battle For Cybertron IV}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Battlegrounds''===
{{voiceactor|[[Erin Yvette]] (English)|[[Marie Zidi]] (French), [[Anna Dramski]] (German), [[Eva Padoan]] (Italian), [[Antía Jiménez Álvarez]] (Spanish)}}
{{charfictionstub|{{storylink|Transformers: Battlegrounds}}}}

==Toys==
===''Cyberverse''===
[[File:Cyberverse-Scout-Class-Slipstream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|It… sure is alternate.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Slipstream''' (Scout Class, [[2018]])}}</ul>
:*''Action Attack'': "Wing Slice"

: Released in the second wave of ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]]'' Scout Class toys, Slipstream is a straight redeco of [[Starscream (Cyberverse)#Scout Class|Starscream]], converting from robot to <s>Gerwalk mode</s> a jet with limbs, officially called a "transformational mode", and back. Her wings swing around in a spring loaded "Wing Slice" attack attached to her waist, which can be locked in using the landing gear. In transformational mode, Slipstream can fold her legs up to approximate a more "complete" jet mode.

{{-}}{{anchor|Ultra}}
[[File:Cyberverse-Ultra-Class-Slipstream-Toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Slipstream''' (Ultra Class, [[2018]]-[[2019]])}}</ul>
:*''Action Attack'': "Sonic Swirl"

: Part of the third wave of Ultra Class toys, this version of Slipstream is a roughly Voyager-sized mold. As this toy is the first ''Cyberverse'' Slipstream toy to ''not'' share a mold with Starscream, it is also the first toy of the character to feature show-accurate robot and jet modes. She features a "Sonic Swirl" Action Attack, which unfurls a large free-spinning rotor setup from her wings to the back of her jet mode when her left arm is pushed in. As this is not sculpted to resemble some kind of energy effect or in-motion part like other Action Attacks in the line, it comes across more as an odd form of propulsion for her jet mode.

:In an odd quality control error, Slipstream's packaging refers to her with the feminine inflections of "Seeker" in Spanish and Portuguese but the masculine inflection in French.<ref>[http://bwtf.com/toyreviews/cyberverse/ultra/slipstream BWTF photo review of ''Cyberverse'' Ultra Class Slipstream, 14 May 2019]</ref>

:Slipstream was released twice: First in late 2018/early 2019 in the original ''Cyberverse'' packaging design, and then again in late 2019 in the ''Power of the Spark'' [[subline imprint]] packaging refresh.

{{-}}{{anchor|Warrior}}
[[File:TF-Cyberverse-Warrior-Slipstream.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Slipstream''' (Warrior Class, 2019)}}</ul>
:*''Action Attack'': "Sonic Swirl"

:''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]]'' Warrior Class Slipstream is a redeco of Warrior Class [[Starscream (Cyberverse)#Warrior Class|Starscream]] and converts from robot to jet and back. Her Action Attack gimmick is activated by winding up a spring in her waist and releasing the upper part of the figure, allowing it to spin and flip out its spring-loaded wing blades with centrifugal force. The waist can be locked in place by pegging her landing gear onto a peg on her backside. Additionally, she has non-firing Null Ray blasters molded into her forearms with [[5 mm post]] hole hands.

:While her arms have articulation comparable to other ''Cyberverse'' Warrior Class toys, this mold has the unusual distinction of having its hip swivels molded together, meaning the front-to-back movement is in tandem. She also lacks knees, likely due to the entirety of the legs being cast from the same cyan plastic. Despite this otherwise restricted movement, she can splay her legs out to the sides due to hinges on her hips, allowing splits and high kicks.

: This toy was exclusive to [[Target]] stores in the United States and [[Toys"R"Us]] stores in Canada, as part of the ''Power of the Spark'' subline.

: This mold was also redecoed into [[Thundercracker (Cyberverse)#Toys|Thundercracker]], [[Acid Storm (Cyberverse)#Toys|Acid Storm]] and ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (toyline)#Warrior Class|EarthSpark]]'' [[Skywarp (ES)#Toys|Skywarp]].

{{-}}{{anchor|Tiny Turbo Changers}}
[[File:CV-toy TTC Slipstream.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Slipstream''' (Tiny Turbo Changer, 2020)}}</ul>
:*''Series'': '''4, 5'''
:*''Bag code'': '''H''' (Series 4), '''B''' (Series 5)

: Released in the fourth series of [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] ''Cyberverse'' [[Tiny Turbo Changers]], Slipstream is, once again, a redeco of Starscream. This small, minimally-painted soft plastic figure changes from futuristic fighter jet to robot and back in a few simple steps.

: Slipstream was re-released without changes in Series 5, with a different bag code.

: This mold was also used to make [[Acid Storm (Cyberverse)|Acid Storm]].
{{-}}

===''Legacy''===
[[File:TF-Legacy-Slipstream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Cyberverse Universe Slipstream''' (Deluxe Class, [[2024]])}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy name'': '''Slipstream''' (スリップストリーム)
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''TL-85'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[February 22]], [[2025]]
:*''Accessories'': 2 blasters
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro),<ref>[[May 14]], [[2024]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOXZGDHebTk Hasbro Pulse | Transformers Fanstream | May 2024] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Evan Brooks]] and [[Kelly Rose]].</ref> [[Koki Yamada]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref>[https://www.instagram.com/p/C8F5Howu9aD/ Design notes] on ''Legacy'' Slipstream from [[Hasbro]] designer [[Mark Maher]] on Instagram</ref>

: Released in the fourth wave of ''[[Transformers: Legacy#Legacy: United|Legacy: United]]'' Deluxe Class toys, "Cyberverse Universe Slipstream" is a redeco and retool of the earlier [[Windblade (Cyberverse)#Legacy|Cyberverse Universe Windblade]], with a new Starscream-inspired head and blasters, much like [[Slipstream (Animated)#Legends|her ''Animated'' counterpart's ''Legends'' toy]]. Though unlike said toy, she still uses Windblade's chest and forearms, and as such her blasters are relegated to the 5mm holes on the backs of her shoulders or forearms rather than the traditional side-slung [[null-ray]] position.

: While a redeco/retool of a Deluxe-scaled mold, Slipstream's scale is at least consistent with the ''Classics'' Seekers.

: Slipstream was teased on the [[May 14]], [[2024]] fanstream. She was fully revealed on Mark Maher's account on [[June 11]], with pre-orders going up on [[June 13]].

::*''[https://www.instagram.com/p/C8F5Howu9aD/ Designer commentary on ''Legacy'' Slipstream from Mark Maher on Instagram]''
{{-}}

==Notes==
*Although the animation team of ''Transformers: Cyberverse'' was very prolific at posting animation models for most characters on ArtStation, Slipstream was never included despite being a prominent first season character. Until the model was found in [[2026]], we used a paper scan as the page's main image that came from, of all things, a Lithuanian ''Transformers'' magazine.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Slipstream''' (スリップストリーム ''Surippusutorīmu'')

==See also==
{{OtherVersions
|charname=Slipstream
|disambig=Slipstream (disambiguation)
|body=
*[[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]], the female [[Starscream clone (Animated)|clone of Starscream]] from [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|''Animated'']].
*[[Slipstream (WFC)|Slipstream]], the Decepticon Seeker from the [[Aligned continuity family]].
*[[Slipstream (G1)|Slipstream]], the Decepticon from [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]].}}

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Cyberverse Seekers]]
[[Category:Female Transformers]]
[[Category:Legacy Decepticons]]
[[Category: Tiny Turbo Changers]]

Slipstream (Cyberverse)

2026-03-01T09:16:13Z

Poliwag06: /* Notes */ futureproofing the note

{{factions|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Slipstream}}
:''Slipstream is a [[Decepticon]] [[Seeker (Cyberverse)|Seeker]] from the [[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Cyberverse]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Slipstream-Cyberverse-Boulder-model.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
As the captain of an elite [[Seeker (Cyberverse)|Seeker]] unit (and later the commander), '''Slipstream''' is really good at bossing others around and even better at thinking up ways to destroy the [[Autobot]]s. Even [[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)|Bumblebee]] finds her leadership skills to be effective.<ref>[https://transformers.hasbro.com/en-us/brands/cyberverse Character bios] at the official ''Cyberverse'' website</ref>

She ''really'' doesn't like [[Windblade (Cyberverse)|Windblade]].

==Fiction==
===''Cyberverse'' cartoon===
{{Voiceactor|[[Lianne Marie Dobbs]] (English), [[Akeno Watanabe]] (Japanese)|[[Luisa Ziliotto]] (Italian), [[Éléonore Meeùs]] (French), [[Anna Dramski]] (German), [[Liliana Barba]] (Latin-American Spanish), [[Rita Oliveira]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}

[[File:Slipstream's altmode (Cyberverse - Terminal Velocity).jpg|thumb|left]]
In the midst of the war, during a party the [[Decepticon]]s were having at [[Maccadam's Old Oil House|Maccadam's]], Slipstream bore witness to the Beatboxing battle between [[Soundwave (Cyberverse)|Soundwave]] and [[Soundblaster (Cyberverse)|Soundblaster]]. She attempted to celebrate Soundwave's victory but was stopped by a jealous [[Starscream (Cyberverse)|Starscream]].{{storylink|The Immobilizers}} When the Decepticons tracked the [[AllSpark]] to [[Earth]], Starscream sent Slipstream to scout the organic planet while he gathered his fleet. {{storylink|Fractured}} In their early clashes with the Autobots, Slipstream accompanied [[Thundercracker (Cyberverse)|Thundercracker]] and [[Nova Storm (Cyberverse)|Nova Storm]] in locating [[Decepticon scout ship|their stolen ship]], which was currently in the possession of the Autobots Bumblebee and [[Windblade (Cyberverse)|Windblade]]. The three Seekers were eventually defeated and buried in snow by Windblade. {{storylink|Whiteout}}

When the Decepticons caught up with their shuttle, Slipstream engaged it in a dogfight only to be shot down. {{storylink|Terminal Velocity}} Using her own ship, Slipstream had another go at it. During the fight, Bumblebee jumped onto Slipstream's craft and blasted the cockpit with a [[triple-barrel ion shoulder cannon]] sending the Seeker spiralling towards Earth. {{storylink|Maccadam's}} [[Shockwave (Cyberverse)|Shockwave]] eventually interfered, trapping Bumblebee in a fake memory and telling Slipstream to retrieve the stolen ship. With the vessel now under her remote control, Slipstream used it to harass Windblade before Bumblebee triggered its self-destruct and allowed the Autobot duo to escape. {{storylink|Sabotage}}

The Seekers soon came across [[Teletraan-X (Cyberverse)|Teletraan-X]] and used the drone to bait a trap for the Autobots. Unfortunately for them, the drone's protocols led to it attacking them allowing Bumblebee, the only one who could access Teletraan, to escape. Undeterred, Slipstream ordered Windblade restrained. {{storylink|Teletraan-X (episode)|Teletraan-X}}

Using a [[cortical psychic patch]], Slipstream tried to gain useful information from Windblade to avail, only succeeding in triggering a power surge that knocked out all the Decepticons. When Slipstream awoke, she found Starscream and Shockwave waiting for her. While the former had rallied the [[Decepticon fleet]] and was on his way, the latter directed Slipstream to repair Earth's [[space bridge]]. {{storylink|Siloed}}

[[File:Slipstream after looking through Windblade's memories.jpg|thumb|Slipstream felt a bit confused since her enemies to lovers fic was coming true far quicker than she expected.]]

When Shockwave arrived, he dressed down Slipstream before revealing his plan to use [[magnetic disruptor]]s to destroy Earth's geomagnetic field and cleanse the planet of organic life. Slipstream led the ship operating at the [[Arctic|North Pole]] only for the Autobots, now bolstered by [[Grimlock (Cyberverse)|Grimlock]] to destroy the craft. {{storylink|The Extinction Event}}

It wasn't all bad though. One of [[Shockwave's drones]] had managed to tail the Autobots, leading the Decepticons to [[Mount St. Hilary]], the [[Ark (Cyberverse)|''Ark'']]<nowiki>'</nowiki>s resting point. After receiving another beat down from Windblade, Starscream called to let her know the fleet was approaching Earth only for Slipstream to reveal Shockwave had already arrived much to the Air Commander's ire. {{storylink|Awaken Sleeping Giants}}

After some more failed melee combat, the Decepticons tried to use the last magnetic disruptor to destroy the ''Ark'' only for the vessel to be reactivated in time to defend itself. With the crew awoken, the Earth-bound Decepticons regrouped with Starscream's fleet. {{storylink|Eruption}}

Some time later, the Decepticons attempted to turn a [[Moon (moon)|moon]]-based [[Planet Smasher]] on Earth, the Seekers serving as the air defence for the weapon before Grimlock tossed them around. Despite [[Megatron (Cyberverse)|Megatron]] calling Starscream for air support, the SIC led the group beneath the Planet Smasher's [[force field]], hoping that the Autobots would destroy the warlord, only to find he'd survived. When Starscream tried to blame Slipstream for his lack of his reinforcements, Megatron backhanded him and named Slipstream the new leader of the Seekers. {{storylink|Sea of Tranquility}}

[[File:Slipstream - Cyberverse - Whiteout.jpg|thumb|left]]

When the Planet Smasher was destroyed, the Decepticons fled to an underground bunker where Shockwave activated a set of [[planetary engine]]s, intending to slam the moon into the Earth so they could fish the AllSpark out of the debris field. As Megatron attempted to order Slipstream to guard the [[Nemesis (Cyberverse)|''Nemesis'']], his injured leg caused him to collapse. Before aid could be rendered, Starscream mercilessly attacked Megatron, seemingly killing him and declaring himself [[Decepticon leader]], ordering a retreat back to the ''Nemesis'' when the Autobots neared the control room. Aboard ship, Slipstream remained in the hangar bay with her troops before Starscream crashed through the wall, hurled by a furious and still alive Megatron, who killed the traitor and dumped his corpse on the lunar surface before ordering the ''Nemesis'' elsewhere. {{storylink|Bad Moon Rising}}

Shortly after, the Decepticons held a ceremony eulogizing Starscream for the benefit of the people of Earth, which was directly followed by Megatron offering the now vacant position of second-in-command to whoever could bring him the head of Optimus Prime. As the other Decepticons hurried off the bridge, Megatron briefly detained Slipstream to remind her of how useful and valuable leadership of the Seekers could be, along with a pointed reminder not to squander the opportunity. The message loud and clear, Slipstream hurried to the hangar bay to issue marching orders, only to discover the bay was empty except for Thundercracker. Slipstream then spent most of the day searching the ship for her missing troops until she finally discovered a group of them carrying [[Vector Sigma]] out of Shockwave's lab. As she was demanding an explanation, the Autobot [[Hot Rod (Cyberverse)|Hot Rod]] bowled her over as he escaped the ''Nemesis'', and by the time she recovered the Seekers were gone. {{storylink|Bring Me The Spark Of Optimus Prime}}

Annoyed by this, Slipstream pursued the Seekers by following their tracker chips' signal. She was briefly thrown off the trail when she discovered they'd discarded the trackers, but caught the trail of their energon signatures instead, leading her to the silo they'd previously used to hold Windblade captive. She threatened to execute the lot of them and demanded to know what was going on, only to be met by their true leader: Starscream, having just returned from seizing the AllSpark! {{storylink|Trials}}

Falling back in line with the others, Slipstream listened to Starscream's claims of having journeyed to the AllSpark and back following his death at the hands of Megatron. She was much less enthused when Starscream revealed his endgame: by liberating all sparks from all combatants so they could become one with the AllSpark for eternity, he would bring an end to the Autobot/Decepticon war. Her appeals to the other Seekers that he'd gone mad went unheard, even more so when he used the AllSpark to create [[spark armor]] for himself. She resorted to trying to steal the AllSpark while Starscream was distracted, but he quickly knocked her aside. Rather than finish her, Starscream offered his hand instead, asking her to wait and see what he could do with the AllSpark. Any lingering trust or belief she had in him was finally extinguished when he used Vector Sigma and the AllSpark to create [[Scraplet|monstrosities]]. {{storylink|Dark Birth}}

When Starscream addressed several of the newly created monsters as [[Solus Prime]], [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and [[Zeta Prime (Cyberverse)|Zeta Prime]], that was the last straw. Assuring Starscream she would share the truth of his insanity with the world, Slipstream fled the silo with both creatures and Seekers in pursuit. Despite her arm being disabled by a savage bite from one of the monsters, she successfully escaped. Returning to the ''Nemesis'', Slipstream approached Soundwave to warn him of the threat, but Soundwave, thinking her to be a traitor like the other Seekers, attacked her instead. She managed to fight him off and flee, looking for someone else to warn. Eventually meeting her old enemy Windblade, her desperate plea was enough to move Windblade into believing her. Tragically, before they could do anything else, she was stabbed in the back by [[Bludgeon (Cyberverse)|Bludgeon]], triggering a short but sharp battle that derailed the peace talks that were ongoing at the time. As the ''Nemesis'' departed and the peace talks lay in ruin, Slipstream's wounds proved fatal and she perished. {{storylink|Parley}}

Windblade attempted to avenge Slipstream by trying to assassinate Bludgeon, but she nearly lost her own life before a last-minute rescue by [[Wheeljack (Cyberverse)|Wheeljack]]. {{storylink|Secret Science}} Slipstream was eventually avenged when Windblade and Wheeljack used weaponized [[unspace]] material to imprison Bludgeon between universes along with Vector Sigma. {{storylink|Battle For Cybertron IV}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Battlegrounds''===
{{voiceactor|[[Erin Yvette]] (English)|[[Marie Zidi]] (French), [[Anna Dramski]] (German), [[Eva Padoan]] (Italian), [[Antía Jiménez Álvarez]] (Spanish)}}
{{charfictionstub|{{storylink|Transformers: Battlegrounds}}}}

==Toys==
===''Cyberverse''===
[[File:Cyberverse-Scout-Class-Slipstream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|It… sure is alternate.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Slipstream''' (Scout Class, [[2018]])}}</ul>
:*''Action Attack'': "Wing Slice"

: Released in the second wave of ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]]'' Scout Class toys, Slipstream is a straight redeco of [[Starscream (Cyberverse)#Scout Class|Starscream]], converting from robot to <s>Gerwalk mode</s> a jet with limbs, officially called a "transformational mode", and back. Her wings swing around in a spring loaded "Wing Slice" attack attached to her waist, which can be locked in using the landing gear. In transformational mode, Slipstream can fold her legs up to approximate a more "complete" jet mode.

{{-}}{{anchor|Ultra}}
[[File:Cyberverse-Ultra-Class-Slipstream-Toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Slipstream''' (Ultra Class, [[2018]]-[[2019]])}}</ul>
:*''Action Attack'': "Sonic Swirl"

: Part of the third wave of Ultra Class toys, this version of Slipstream is a roughly Voyager-sized mold. As this toy is the first ''Cyberverse'' Slipstream toy to ''not'' share a mold with Starscream, it is also the first toy of the character to feature show-accurate robot and jet modes. She features a "Sonic Swirl" Action Attack, which unfurls a large free-spinning rotor setup from her wings to the back of her jet mode when her left arm is pushed in. As this is not sculpted to resemble some kind of energy effect or in-motion part like other Action Attacks in the line, it comes across more as an odd form of propulsion for her jet mode.

:In an odd quality control error, Slipstream's packaging refers to her with the feminine inflections of "Seeker" in Spanish and Portuguese but the masculine inflection in French.<ref>[http://bwtf.com/toyreviews/cyberverse/ultra/slipstream BWTF photo review of ''Cyberverse'' Ultra Class Slipstream, 14 May 2019]</ref>

:Slipstream was released twice: First in late 2018/early 2019 in the original ''Cyberverse'' packaging design, and then again in late 2019 in the ''Power of the Spark'' [[subline imprint]] packaging refresh.

{{-}}{{anchor|Warrior}}
[[File:TF-Cyberverse-Warrior-Slipstream.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Slipstream''' (Warrior Class, 2019)}}</ul>
:*''Action Attack'': "Sonic Swirl"

:''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]]'' Warrior Class Slipstream is a redeco of Warrior Class [[Starscream (Cyberverse)#Warrior Class|Starscream]] and converts from robot to jet and back. Her Action Attack gimmick is activated by winding up a spring in her waist and releasing the upper part of the figure, allowing it to spin and flip out its spring-loaded wing blades with centrifugal force. The waist can be locked in place by pegging her landing gear onto a peg on her backside. Additionally, she has non-firing Null Ray blasters molded into her forearms with [[5 mm post]] hole hands.

:While her arms have articulation comparable to other ''Cyberverse'' Warrior Class toys, this mold has the unusual distinction of having its hip swivels molded together, meaning the front-to-back movement is in tandem. She also lacks knees, likely due to the entirety of the legs being cast from the same cyan plastic. Despite this otherwise restricted movement, she can splay her legs out to the sides due to hinges on her hips, allowing splits and high kicks.

: This toy was exclusive to [[Target]] stores in the United States and [[Toys"R"Us]] stores in Canada, as part of the ''Power of the Spark'' subline.

: This mold was also redecoed into [[Thundercracker (Cyberverse)#Toys|Thundercracker]], [[Acid Storm (Cyberverse)#Toys|Acid Storm]] and ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (toyline)#Warrior Class|EarthSpark]]'' [[Skywarp (ES)#Toys|Skywarp]].

{{-}}{{anchor|Tiny Turbo Changers}}
[[File:CV-toy TTC Slipstream.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Slipstream''' (Tiny Turbo Changer, 2020)}}</ul>
:*''Series'': '''4, 5'''
:*''Bag code'': '''H''' (Series 4), '''B''' (Series 5)

: Released in the fourth series of [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] ''Cyberverse'' [[Tiny Turbo Changers]], Slipstream is, once again, a redeco of Starscream. This small, minimally-painted soft plastic figure changes from futuristic fighter jet to robot and back in a few simple steps.

: Slipstream was re-released without changes in Series 5, with a different bag code.

: This mold was also used to make [[Acid Storm (Cyberverse)|Acid Storm]].
{{-}}

===''Legacy''===
[[File:TF-Legacy-Slipstream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Cyberverse Universe Slipstream''' (Deluxe Class, [[2024]])}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy name'': '''Slipstream''' (スリップストリーム)
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''TL-85'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[February 22]], [[2025]]
:*''Accessories'': 2 blasters
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro),<ref>[[May 14]], [[2024]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOXZGDHebTk Hasbro Pulse | Transformers Fanstream | May 2024] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Evan Brooks]] and [[Kelly Rose]].</ref> [[Koki Yamada]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref>[https://www.instagram.com/p/C8F5Howu9aD/ Design notes] on ''Legacy'' Slipstream from [[Hasbro]] designer [[Mark Maher]] on Instagram</ref>

: Released in the fourth wave of ''[[Transformers: Legacy#Legacy: United|Legacy: United]]'' Deluxe Class toys, "Cyberverse Universe Slipstream" is a redeco and retool of the earlier [[Windblade (Cyberverse)#Legacy|Cyberverse Universe Windblade]], with a new Starscream-inspired head and blasters, much like [[Slipstream (Animated)#Legends|her ''Animated'' counterpart's ''Legends'' toy]]. Though unlike said toy, she still uses Windblade's chest and forearms, and as such her blasters are relegated to the 5mm holes on the backs of her shoulders or forearms rather than the traditional side-slung [[null-ray]] position.

: While a redeco/retool of a Deluxe-scaled mold, Slipstream's scale is at least consistent with the ''Classics'' Seekers.

: Slipstream was teased on the [[May 14]], [[2024]] fanstream. She was fully revealed on Mark Maher's account on [[June 11]], with pre-orders going up on [[June 13]].

::*''[https://www.instagram.com/p/C8F5Howu9aD/ Designer commentary on ''Legacy'' Slipstream from Mark Maher on Instagram]''
{{-}}

==Notes==
*Although the animation team of ''Transformers: Cyberverse'' was very prolific at posting animation models for most characters on ArtStation, Slipstream was never included despite being a prominent first season character. Until the model was found in [[2026]], we used a paper scan we had as the page's main image that came from, of all things, a Lithuanian ''Transformers'' magazine.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Slipstream''' (スリップストリーム ''Surippusutorīmu'')

==See also==
{{OtherVersions
|charname=Slipstream
|disambig=Slipstream (disambiguation)
|body=
*[[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]], the female [[Starscream clone (Animated)|clone of Starscream]] from [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|''Animated'']].
*[[Slipstream (WFC)|Slipstream]], the Decepticon Seeker from the [[Aligned continuity family]].
*[[Slipstream (G1)|Slipstream]], the Decepticon from [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]].}}

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Cyberverse Seekers]]
[[Category:Female Transformers]]
[[Category:Legacy Decepticons]]
[[Category: Tiny Turbo Changers]]

Transformers: EarthSpark (toyline)

2026-02-22T06:28:19Z

Poliwag06: /* Deluxe Class */

{{nav-earthspark}}
First unveiled at [[San Diego Comic-Con#2022|San Diego Comic-Con 2022]], '''''Transformers: EarthSpark''''' is a toyline for the [[Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)|accompanying cartoon]], primarily aimed at a younger demographic. It is largely similar to the previous ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]]'' toyline, with many toys revolving around a [[gimmick]], as well as sharing three [[size class]]es: 1-Step Changer (now renamed to "1-Step ''Flip'' Changer"), Warrior Class, and Deluxe Class. The two new size classes, Tacticons and Spin Changers, are the smallest and largest size classes, respectively. ''EarthSpark'' also includes [[redeco]]es from ''Cyberverse''.

==Hasbro ''Earthspark'' toyline==
===Tacticons===
The smallest size class, the Tacticons are bite-sized toys that can transform while on your finger to "forge a connection with ''Transformers'' robots like never before."<ref name="facebook">[[July 22]] Official [https://www.facebook.com/transformers/posts/pfbid02nnAWS39noniUYrdV235kArQf1gKdW7KsTit9MKSUqEzvKUjBt9yPB5efN4PrMs9Ul Transformers Facebook post] revealing the ''EarthSpark'' toyline: "Forge a connection with #Transformers robots like never before with Transformers: EarthSpark Tacticon figures that convert around a finger! Fun in every flip! Convert 1-Step Flip Changer figures from robot mode to alt. mode in 1 exciting step by flipping the bot in the air!"</ref>

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (ES)#Tacticon|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (ES)#Tacticon|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (ES)#Tacticon|Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Arcee (ES)#EarthSpark|Arcee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hashtag (ES)#Tacticon|Terran Hashtag]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Wheeljack (ES)#Tacticon|Wheeljack]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Twitch#Tacticon|Terran Twitch]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF-Earthspark-Tacticon-Megatron.jpg|thumb|Tacticon [[Megatron (ES)#Tacticon|Megatron]]]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (ES)#Tacticon|Starscream]]}}
</ul>
|}

===1-Step Flip Changers===
Carried over from the ''Cyberverse'' 1-Step Changers but slightly smaller and generally even less articulated, the 1-Step Flip Changers have a greater emphasis on "flipping the bot in the air."<ref name="facebook"/> This is despite the fact the actual gimmick at the heart of these figures is a switch on their robot mode which when pressed - if, say you tipped them over on your desk - releases the mechanism to automatically transform them into their alternate mode in a pleasing flurry of motion. Of course, this means multiple toys have a variation on the 'switchblade' transformation used since all the way back in ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)|Age of Extinction]]''.
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (ES)#1step|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (ES)#1Step|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Wheeljack (ES)#EarthSpark|Wheeljack]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Soundwave (ES)#EarthSpark|Soundwave]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Swindle (ES)#EarthSpark|Swindle]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (ES)#OneStep|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Twitch#OneStep|Terran Twitch]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Breakdown (ES)#EarthSpark|Breakdown]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF-Earthspark-1-Step-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|1-Step Flip Changer [[Optimus Prime (ES)#1-Step Flip Changers|Optimus Prime]]]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Elita-1 (ES)#OneStep|Elita-1]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Skullcruncher (ES)#EarthSpark|Skullcruncher]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Spitfire (ES)#EarthSpark|Chaos Terran Spitfire]]}}
</ul>
|}

===1-Step Smash Changers===
Succeeding the Flip Changers in [[2025]], the 1-Step Smash Changers transform from vehicles to simple robots when smashed against something. Or really just by pressing down on fins at the rear of the alternate modes.
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (ES)#Smash|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (ES)#Smash|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (ES)#Smash|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-terran|[[Thrash (ES)#Smash|Terran Thrash]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-terran|[[Jawbreaker (ES)#Smash|Terran Jawbreaker]]}}
{{Bp-terran|[[Twitch#Smash|Terran Twitch]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:TF-ES-SmashChanger-Thrash.jpg|thumb|1-Step Smash Changer [[Thrash (ES)#Smash|Terran Thrash]]]]
|}

===Warrior Class===
Much like ''Cyberverse'', the Warrior Class toys are more articulated than most size classes in the line but with a focus on an attack gimmick. Several of the figures are redecoes from ''Cyberverse''. Waves 5 and 6 introduce a "Combine & Ride" gimmick similar to [[Powerlinx]] that allows figures to form an upper body to attach to a compatible vehicle mode or to allow another half-robot to attach to the top of their vehicle mode. This feature uses the same connections as the below Cyber-Combiners assortment. Many US retailers stopped carrying the size class in 2024, and by 2025 the size class was dropped completely.
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Elita-1 (ES)#EarthSpark|Elita-1]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (ES)#Warrior|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Skywarp (ES)#EarthSpark|Skywarp]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (ES)#Warrior|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Thrash (ES)#EarthSpark|Terran Thrash]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Jawbreaker (ES)#EarthSpark|Terran Jawbreaker]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (ES)#EarthSpark|Starscream]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Shockwave (ES)#Warrior|Shockwave]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Transformers-EarthSpark-Warrior-Class-Elita-1.jpg|thumb|Warrior Class [[Elita-1 (ES)#Toys|Elita-1]]]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (ES)#Warrior|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-terran|[[Twitch#Warrior|Terran Twitch]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-terran|[[Hashtag (ES)#Warrior|Terran Hashtag]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Spitfire (ES)#Warrior|Chaos Terran Spitfire]]}}
</ul>
|}
{{comingsoontoy|Wave 6}}
{{-}}

===Deluxe Class===
The ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]''-esque Deluxe Class toys have a greater focus on [[show-accuracy]], accessories, and [[articulation]]. Befitting the more collector-orientated designs, the first few waves of Deluxe Class toys were available on [[Hasbro Pulse]].

Each toy from the first four waves of figures included a piece for a [[Build a Figure]] of [[Mandroid#Toys|Mandroid]], with one swappable arm. Wave 5 and beyond dropped the extra pieces, and new releases of prior-wave toys from that point on also lacked the Mandroid parts. Wave 7 in 2025 saw a new packaging style, visually similar to ''[[Transformers Authentics|Authentics]]'' packaging.

Like the Warrior Class, several of the figures of "legacy" characters are ''Cyberverse'' redecoes. Disappointing, we know.

{{note|Wave 7 (the first wave of 2025) consisted entirely of repacks.}}
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (ES)#ESDeluxe|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (ES)#ESDeluxe|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Twitch#EarthSpark|Terran Twitch]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (ES)#Deluxe|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Shockwave (ES)#EarthSpark|Shockwave]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Grimlock (ES)#EarthSpark|Grimlock]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Nightshade (ES)#EarthSpark|Terran Nightshade]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (ES)#Deluxe|Starscream]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:ES-toy_Nightshade_Deluxe.jpg|thumb|Deluxe [[Nightshade (ES)#EarthSpark|Terran Nightshade]]]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Prowl (ES)#Deluxe|Prowl]]}}
{{Bp-terran|[[Thrash (ES)#Deluxe|Terran Thrash]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Aftermath (ES)#EarthSpark|Chaos Terran Aftermath]]}}
{{Bp-terran|[[Jawbreaker (ES)#Deluxe|Terran Jawbreaker]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 8'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-terran|[[Hashtag (ES)#Deluxe|Terran Hashtag]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Soundwave (ES)#Deluxe|Soundwave]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 9'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (ES)#Cyberglow|Cyberglow Megatron]]}}
</ul>
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 10''' ''(cancelled)''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Cosmos (ES)#Toys|Cosmos]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Spitfire (ES)#Deluxe|Chaos Terran Spitfire]]}}
</ul>
|}

===Spin Changers===
The largest size class, the Spin Changers each include a human figurine that can interact with the larger robot, via a circular base or an accessory.
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (ES)#SpinChanger|Bumblebee]] & [[Mo Malto#EarthSpark|Mo Malto]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (ES)#Spin Changers|Optimus Prime]] & [[Robby Malto#EarthSpark|Robby Malto]]}}
</ul>
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Spin_Changer_Bumblebee_Earthspark.jpeg|thumb|Spin Changer Bumblebee & Mo Malto]]
|}

===Cyber-Combiners===
These two-packs offer the first true action figures of main human characters Robby and Mo who can now combine with other Autobots like ye olde [[Powerlinx]]. They are compatible with above Warrior Class figures with the "Combine & Ride" gimmick. The Bumblebee/Mo set was also re-released in updated packaging in 2025.
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (ES)#CyberCombiner|Bumblebee]] & [[Mo Malto#CyberCombiner|Mo Malto]]}}
{{Bp-terran|[[Twitch #CyberCombiner|Terran Twitch]] & [[Robby Malto#CyberCombiner|Robby Malto]]}}
</ul>
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:ESCyberCombinerTwitchAndRobbyCombined.jpg|thumb|upright=.66|Cyber-Combiner Terran Twitch & Robby Malto]]
|}

===Other Toys===
A redeco of the ''Cyberverse'' Optimus Battle Base Trailer, as well as a redeco/retool of the Warrior Class toy with a new, more show-accurate trailer the following year, were released. ''EarthSpark'' reintroduced a [[Roleplay toy|roleplay]] assortment with the foam-dart-firing, plastic-shiv-popping NERF Cyber-Sleeve Battle Blaster.

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Other'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (ES)#TrailerPlayset|Optimus Prime Battle Base Trailer]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus_Prime_(ES)#HasbroBattleTrailer|Optimus Prime Battle Trailer]]}}
</ul>
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Roleplay'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-multi|[[Cyber-sleeve#Merchandise|Cyber-Sleeve Battle Blaster]]}}
</ul>
|[[File:ESCyberSleeveBattleBlaster.jpg|thumb|upright=.66|Cyber-Sleeve Battle Blaster]]
|}
{{--}}

==TakaraTomy ''EarthSpark'' toyline==
In a surprising departure from the brand synergy with Hasbro's lines shown since 2018, Takara Tomy's ''EarthSpark'' line is markedly different from Western offerings. Not only are most figures sporting improved, more show-accurate decoes, but they do not come in plastic-free packaging, marking a return to plastic trays, bubbles on cardbacks, and window boxes.

'''Spin Changer Series''' 
Compared to Hasbro's releases, these Spin Changers come in boxes with a plastic window.

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[October 28]], 2023)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|ESC-01 [[Optimus Prime (ES)#Spin Changers|Spin Changer Optimus Prime]] & [[Robby Malto#EarthSpark|Robby]]}}
{{Bp-a1|ESC-02 [[Bumblebee (ES)#SpinChanger|Spin Changer Bumblebee]] & [[Mo Malto#EarthSpark|Mo]]}}
|
|}
{{-}}
'''DX Series''' 
Compared to Hasbro's boxed releases, the DX Series toys come on cardbacks with plastic bubbles like the days of old. However, the Mandroid "build-a-figure" parts are not included. This line includes both the Hasbro "Deluxe" molds and altered/enhanced versions of Hasbro "Warrior Class" molds to boot.

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[October 28]], 2023)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|ESD-01 [[Optimus Prime (ES)#Deluxe|DX Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|ESD-02 [[Megatron (ES)#ESDeluxe|DX Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|ESD-03 [[Bumblebee (ES)#ESDeluxe|DX Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|ESD-04 [[Twitch#Toys|DX Terran Twitch]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[November 11]], 2023)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|ESD-05 [[Nightshade (ES)#Toys|DX Terran Nightshade]]}}
{{Bp-d1|ESD-06 [[Shockwave (ES)#Toys|DX Shockwave]]}}
{{Bp-a1|ESD-07 [[Grimlock (ES)#Toys|DX Grimlock]]}}
{{Bp-d1|ESD-08 [[Starscream (ES)#Deluxe|DX Starscream]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[March 16]], 2024)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|ESD-09 [[Thrash (ES)#Toys|DX Terran Thrash]]}}
{{Bp-a1|ESD-S [[Optimus Prime (ES)#DXBattleStation|DX Battle Station Optimus Prime]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' ([[June 2]], 2024)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|ESD-10 [[Prowl (ES)#TakaraESDeluxe|DX Prowl]] (canceled)}}
{{Bp-terran|ESD-11 [[Thrash (ES)#Deluxe|DX Thrash Malto]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF-EarthSpark-JP-ESD-13-DX-Terran-Hashtag.jpg|thumb|[[Hashtag (ES)#DX|DX Terran Hashtag]]]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' ([[July 27]], 2024)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-terran|ESD-12 [[Jawbreaker (ES)#Deluxe|DX Terran Jawbreaker]]}}
{{Bp-terran|ESD-13 [[Hashtag (ES)#DX|DX Terran Hashtag]]}}
{{Bp-a1|ESD-14 [[Elita-1 (ES)#Deluxe|DX Elita-1]]}}
{{Bp-d1|ESD-15 [[Aftermath (ES)#EarthSpark|DX Aftermath]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|}
{{-}}
'''Supatto Change Series''' 
"Supatto Change" (スパっとチェンジ, "Quick Change") is TakaraTomy's name for the 1-Step Flip Changers, which now also come packaged in plastic bubbles on cardbacks.

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[October 28]], 2023)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|ESS-01 [[Optimus Prime (ES)#1Step|Supatto Change Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|ESS-02 [[Megatron (ES)#OneStep|Supatto Change Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|ESS-03 [[Bumblebee (ES)#1step|Supatto Change Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|ESS-04 [[Twitch#OneStep|Supatto Change Terran Twitch]]}}
{{Bp-d1|ESS-05 [[Swindle (ES)#Toys|Supatto Change Swindle]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[November 11]], 2023)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|ESS-06 [[Wheeljack (ES)#Toys|Supatto Change Wheeljack]]}}
{{Bp-d1|ESS-07 [[Soundwave (ES)#Toys|Supatto Change Soundwave]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[March 16]], 2024)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|ESS-08 [[Elita-1 (ES)#OneStep|Supatto Change Elita-1]]}}
{{Bp-d1|ESS-09 [[Skullcruncher (ES)#EarthSpark|Supatto Change Skullcruncher]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|}

==Notes==
*''EarthSpark'' is the first cartoon tie-in toyline to use the plastic-free packaging first introduced in ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom]]'' for every toy. Each size class has an open window except for the Tacticons, which use closed boxes. In the west, at least...
*The deluxe class packaging features [[Alphabet|Autobot Script]] on the inner tray, reading "Earthspark".

==References==
{{Reflist}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:EarthSpark (toyline)}}
[[Category:EarthSpark| (toyline)]]
[[Category:Toylines]]

Talk:Prowl (ES)

2026-02-20T09:41:06Z

Poliwag06: Created page with "==Dubious release?== I dont know if it was the mandela effect, but i was sure Japan ES Prowl was on a video on Stalker's channel. I remember being confused about it being cann..."

==Dubious release?==
I dont know if it was the mandela effect, but i was sure Japan ES Prowl was on a video on Stalker's channel. I remember being confused about it being canned amd yet showing up there at the time. Should it be handled the same way that TFA Thundercracker got into 2 peoples hands despite being cancelled?--[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 04:41, 20 February 2026 (EST)

Nexus Prime

2026-02-04T03:15:16Z

Poliwag06: /* Age of the Primes */ Ah nvm, the image shows bruticus arms work.

{{factions|nexusprime|autobot|sgDecepticon}}
{{featured}}
{{disambig3|Nexus}}
[[Image:NexusPrimeflankedbyotherPrimes.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Insert batteries where?!]]
One of the [[Thirteen|original Thirteen Primes]], the wild and unpredictable '''Nexus Prime''' is the first [[combiner]]. He is the bearer of the immensely consequential [[Artifacts of the Primes|artifact]] known as the [[Enigma of Combination]] and the lord of [[Rarified Energon]]—the stuff of [[spark]]s themselves—granting him a variety of mysterious powers above and beyond many of his siblings. Nexus' go-to problem solving method of scattering himself to the four winds has often proved the cause of, and solution to, all of his and his resultant sub-selves' problems. He also has a habit of hoarding the legendary blades forged by his sister [[Solus Prime]] whether they belong to him or not, considering himself the safest pair(s) of hands. How much these antics relate to his reputation as the prankster of the Thirteen is up for interpretation. His fragments include:

*[[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] (A-10 Thunderbolt II, left leg)— a deep space explorer with the ability to project [[Force field|forcefields]]
*[[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]] (anti-aircraft tank, right arm)— a disaffected soldier with the power to forge [[Energon weapon|energon weapons]] unaided
*[[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]] (fighter jet, left arm)— a mystical guardian with preternatural healing abilities
*[[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]] (helicopter, right leg)— a credulous refugee with the power to manipulate sparks
*[[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]] (armored personnel carrier, torso)— a cheerful technician with ability to "speak" machinery to life

Unlike many of his descendants, Nexus Prime is highly mutable and not beholden to a single set of components. In [[Aligned continuity family|a different universe]], Nexus instead split himself into:

*[[Clocker (Prime)|Clocker]]— a [[Velocitron]]ian racer
*[[Mainspring]]— a Velocitronian mechanic
*[[Chaindrive]]— an Autobot soldier
*[[Pinion]]— a [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] trader
*[[Cannonspring]]— a lost Cybertronian

Oh yeah, and he is responsible for [[Shroud|splintering]] himself and [[Multiversal singularity|his brethren]] across the [[Multiverse|multiverse]]. That was a pretty significant thing that happened.

He is sometimes, unfortunately, known as '''[[#Naming issues|Nexus Maximus]]'''.

==Fiction==
===Fun Publications===
When the Thirteen visited ancient Earth of some universal streams, Nexus Prime used a [[holomatter]] avatar which inspired the myth of the goddess Hera, trusted confidant of Zeus, who was [[Prima]]'s holomatter avatar. [[Vector Prime]] shared many fond memories with his siblings, including Nexus, and noted that there were universal streams where Nexus was known as Nexus [[Convoy (rank)|Convoy]].

Nexus Prime, Vector Prime, [[Alpha Trion]], and [[Solus Prime]] made the decision to split Nexus Prime into five pieces to conceal the location of the five fragments of Prima's [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|Star Saber]] sword, a weapon that could destroy star systems, from their evil brother [[The Fallen|Megatronus]]. Using the blade of the Star Saber, Nexus Prime was cut into five other robots: [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]], [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]], and [[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]], who were subsequently scattered across the [[multiverse]] and lost to the ages. {{Storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}

But the skills of Nexus Prime are needed once again, and now that his components have been called together by Primus, he searches the multiverse for the components to the Star Saber sword, armed with his masterful control over all uses of [[energon]], and ability to manipulate [[spark]]s.

[[Image:Clubcombinercarving.jpg|200px|thumb|They drew his limbs arranged incorrectly!]]
The [[Caretaker]] told its components that Nexus Prime was "designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]", like the other original thirteen. {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 6}}

When Landquake, Breakaway, Topspin, and Heatwave made an attempt to use their powers to revive the recently assassinated [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]], they were transported—along with a revived Skyfall—to the presence of [[Primus]] in the "afterlife". He gave them a choice of living (or staying dead) as they were, or being reborn as what they were meant to be. After the gestalt members made their deliberations, Primus declared, "The choice is made. Arise, Nexus Prime," as they started the transformation. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 5}}

[[Image:OmegaDoomNexusPrimeGalvatron.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Behold the fingers my toy totally doesn't have!]]

Nexus Prime [[Reformatting|reformatted]] the dead Megatron into the powerful Galvatron, investing in him some of the power of the Thirteen. The two exited the Decepticon stronghold to counter [[Omega Doom]]'s offensive, but they were forced to split up when Doom launched a starkilling missile into Cybertron's sun. Though his Decepticon components protested leaving the battle, Nexus Prime knew saving this Cybertron's star system was of more immediate importance. Regardless, he was too late in stopping the missile, and its energies began to destroy the sun. Nexus began to concentrate.

Nexus returned to Cybertron triumphant, having used his own powers to negate those of the starkilling missile, and he made short work of Omega Doom, saving Galvatron in the nick of time. Though there was more on this Cybertron to do, such as finishing [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] once and for all, Nexus Prime knew he had to depart this universe. After saying goodbye to [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]], he entered a portal with [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]], trusting fate to bring him to the correct destination. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 6}}

Nexus Prime and Aquarius traveled from world to world, but without finding what Nexus Prime was looking for. Eventually, the pair arrived on [[Primax 509.28 Epsilon|one universe]]'s [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where they were attacked by a group of smaller Decepticons who thought they had an easy mark. Though Nexus Prime was unwilling to use his more supernatural powers, lest he draw unwanted attention towards himself, he was still able to easily beat their attackers. As they left the group of dazed Decepticons behind, Nexus Prime and Aquarius wandered through a Cybertronian marketplace. Finally, Nexus Prime began to drop hints about what [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|mysterious artifact]] he was looking for; he hadn't yet clued Aquarius in. Ultimately, Nexus Prime spotted a shipping container with an [[Elite Guard]] symbol on it. This unlocked a memory in the ancient Transformer, allowing him to determine their next destination. He and Aquarius vanished through another portal to yet another dimension. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 1}}

After several unspecified adventures, Aquarius ended up in Axiom Nexus and took charge of a shard of the Star Saber from a [[Chifumi Takahashi|courier]]. In exchange, he promised to help her get home. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 48|Transformers I.Q. last issue review}} To their surprise, however, they ended up on the Cybertron of Aquarius's home reality. It soon became obvious that Nexus had transported them there in order to receive the [[Origin Matrix]], the fifth and final piece, from [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Mammoth]]. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 54|Transformers I.Q. trivia bonus #12}} {{storylink|Falling into Place}}

[[File:AnotherLight-choppitychop.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|"...''Transformers: Prime'' will never make a dozen episodes about finding you."]]

While waiting for Nexus Prime's arrival, Ultra Mammoth confronted his negative counterpart [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]], who was wielding the [[Terminus Blade]] on Earth. After the Origin Matrix inadvertently supercharged the Blade, Nexus Prime's components arrived in time to combine the Matrix with the other elements to reform the Star Saber. Prima's great sword severed the evil Magnus's arm, and Nexus Prime banished the insane Autobot to a dimension suitable for his temperament. With the Star Saber and Terminus Blade in hand, Nexus Prime set about undoing what damage he could from Magnus's abuse of the weapon. {{storylink|Restoration}}

In multidimensional space, Nexus Prime found he could not undo the destruction of universes already caused by the Terminus Blade. Aware that his actions would not be without consequences to himself, Nexus Prime brought the Saber and Blade together. He strengthened the existing walls between dimensions to prevent further inter-universe decay. He bolstered dying universes that had not yet succumbed to Ultra Magnus, hoping they might still survive. In the process, however, the strengthened walls could no longer support the fluidity of multiversal singularities. Nexus Prime felt himself and his fellow Thirteen splintering, existing as independent beings in each reality they manifested in, instead of thirteen singularities. {{storylink|Out of the One, Many}} In [[Primax -408.24 Epsilon|one universe]], Nexus Prime's individual components reconstituted themselves as a group of low-ranking Decepticons known as Heatwave, [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skytop]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landfall]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Quakebreak]], and [[Topspin (Classics)|Spinaway]]. Although they retained their ability to combine, this "new" Nexus Prime was significantly less coordinated than his predecessor, and his components didn't believe the stories that they had once been some kind of multiversal guardian. {{storylink|Coalescence}}
{{--}}

===Aligned continuity family===
====''The Covenant of Primus''====
[[Image:5NexusPrime.jpg|thumb|200px]]
Nexus Prime was the seventh member of the Thirteen created by Primus with the purpose of fighting against and defeating Unicron. As the first and greatest combiner, he could separate himself into multiple independent components and combine them at will. Nexus, like his siblings who were created between [[Prima]] and [[The Fallen|Megatronus]], was balanced between the personalities of Primus and Unicron.

Nexus was part of the '''Free Agents''', which included [[Maccadam|Alchemist Prime]], [[Solus Prime]], and the [[Thirteenth Prime]]: capable of both direct battle and subtle attacks. As the Primes trained with each other, Solus created the [[Cyber Caliber]] for him, which could split into smaller swords. Nexus would follow Solus into the portal leading to Unicron, entering Unicron's body to harm him from within. All of Nexus' components struggled with the overpowering corruption of Unicron's Dark Energon, but the words of ''Thirteen'', "All Are One", would help him keep fighting. Eventually, Unicron was defeated and Nexus returned to Cybertron with his siblings.

As the [[Age of Primes]] began, Nexus devoted his time to his creative interests, having no interest in the politics of Prima's group. During the [[War of the Primes]], when the Primes came together to vote on whether [[Liege Maximo]]'s [[Farm]] should be shut down or not, Nexus voted with Prima to shut it down. Sometime later, Nexus would join Prima, [[Vector Prime]], [[Alpha Trion]], [[Micronus Prime]], and ''Thirteen'' in finding Megatronus after the death of Solus Prime. Nexus would take his Cyber Caliber when all the Primes visited the Farm, which led to infighting among the Primes.

Nexus Prime would survive the War of the Primes, but the memory of his existence would fade away into myth and legend. Several stellar cycles later, the five components of Nexus Prime -- [[Cannonspring]], [[Mainspring]], [[Pinion]], [[Clocker (Prime)|Clocker]], and [[Chaindrive]] -- would briefly reunite as Nexus Prime, giving [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] his sword. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus}}

====Aligned novels====
Known as the "Wizard of Forms", Nexus Prime was all about change and mutability. When standing alone, his body seemed to shift or be overlaid with ever-changing forms and combinations he might take. Powerful, proud, and frequently unpredictable even to those who knew him best, Nexus Prime was full of good humor and a bit of a prankster at times. He was the "mad experimenter" of the Thirteen and is fascinated by changing states of matter and the creation of new elements in solar forges. This shared affinity for creation led [[Solus Prime]], the "Maker" of the Thirteen, to have special feelings for Nexus, which in turn seemed to have earned him the enmity of [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and [[Liege Maximo]].

Nexus Prime was last seen by Alpha Trion before the [[Age of Wrath]], taking custody of many of Solus Prime's creations, including the Cyber Caliber, the [[Chaos Edge]], the [[Blades of Time]], and the [[Omni Saber]].
The Omni Saber was a part of Nexus Prime's body, and he secreted the Cyber Caliber away inside his form as well before splitting himself into five component robots: Clocker, Mainspring, Chaindrive, Pinion, and Cannonspring.
Each component held a fraction of the Cyber Caliber within themselves and was also charged with guarding one of the Blades of Time. Only by assembling the Blades of Time and using them to open a gateway to the hollow [[Realm of the Primes|realm]] of Vector Prime could the Cyber Caliber be reassembled. The [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|Star Saber]] was believed to have been taken by Nexus Prime but was not in his possession during the [[Great Exodus]].

The sub-selves of Nexus Prime scattered throughout the colony worlds of Cybertron. They remained apart for so long that each forgot their true nature, and no longer recalled being part of Nexus Prime or the Thirteen. All but Cannonspring even forgot their duty to safeguard the Blades of Time and the Cyber Caliber. Clocker and Mainspring wound up on [[Velocitron]], where they remained slightly out of place as mechanics instead of the speed-driven racers who ruled the planet. Pinion ended up on [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]], assimilating well into the culture (perhaps because the Junkion way of constantly reusing materials appealed to the subconscious preference of Nexus Prime for change). Chaindrive found himself on Cybertron, and eventually became part of the Autobot resistance movement alongside [[Ultra Magnus (WFC)|Ultra Magnus]] and Alpha Trion after the Ark's departure. Cannonspring ended up in a crippled ship in Cybertron's deep orbit, until the prospector [[Axer (Prime)|Axer]] triggered some latent transwarp energy on board, transporting them both to Junkion. Cannonspring remained inert for over a million years inside his ship after it crashed.

Nexus Prime began to come together once more thanks to the Matrix, which directed Optimus Prime through space to the various colony worlds. As the Ark came to Velocitron, Optimus discovered two pieces of the Blades of Time and fatefully agreed to bring Clocker and Mainspring on the next leg of his journey when they asked. On Junkion, Prime encountered Pinion while recovering a third Blade, and the fourth was retrieved from Axer. Meanwhile, back on Cybertron, Alpha Trion and [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] concocted a method of sending a scout after Optimus Prime by keying residual Space Bridge energy to the signature of the Matrix. Instinctively, Alpha Trion decided Chaindrive was the proper choice, and he brought with him the fifth Blade. Once all five Blades and the other four components assembled on Junkion, the combined energy was enough to rekindle the inert Cannonspring, bringing him back to full functioning and allowing them to reassemble into Nexus Prime.

Displaying the ability to hold more weapons than an armory, Nexus Prime pulled forth both his Omni Saber and the Chaos Edge, and also passed the Cyber Caliber over to Optimus Prime. Although he refused to kill anyone, Nexus Prime essentially held off the Decepticons and the [[Star Seeker]]s for a time, on intimidation alone. As [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] and [[Thundertron]] left to pursue other goals, Nexus Prime reclaimed his swords and gave some last words of encouragement to Optimus Prime before splitting himself once more. Reduced to a new set of five protoforms, Nexus Prime vanished into space and the annals of history once more. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

====''Prime'' cartoon====
According to legend, at the beginning of time, [[Unicron]] and [[Primus]] battled each other for eons, with neither side remaining victorious for long. Till, that is, Primus created the [[Thirteen]]. These Thirteen defeated Unicron and cast him into space. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}
{{--}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
{{first|[[Earthfall Part 3: The Mind Bomb|''Robots in Disguise'' #30]] (mentioned); [[The Crucible|#34]] (depicted)}}

[[File:OriginMyths-ThePrimes.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Love child of Silverbolt and Wheeljack.]]

In the primitive age that followed the departure of the [[Knights of Cybertron]], Nexus Prime joined his [[Thirteen Tribes|tribe]] with those of [[Solus Prime|Solus]], [[Vector Prime|Vector]], [[Maccadam|Alchemist Prime]] and [[Alpha Trion]] in [[Crystal City]]. Like the other four, he knew [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Onyx Prime]] but he himself was disgusted by Onyx's bestial horde and took time to become acclimated to them. He had a brother in the east who ruled his own kingdom. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Nexus was the first recorded owner of the mysterious artifact known as the [[Enigma of Combination]]. He evidently chose to keep the artifact's true nature as a physical object a secret, with most believing the "Enigma" part of the name referred to a puzzle that had to be solved to allow for [[Combiner|combination]]. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

One evening, Vector Prime barged in on a meeting to announce the approach of Onyx and [[Liege Maximo|a crony]], as well as the news that [[Septimus Prime]] had perished and that [[The Fallen|the conqueror]] of [[Protihex|his lands]] was on the warpath across Cybertron. Despite Solus and Onyx's dismissal, Nexus felt Septimus had still been a Prime such as they were before he asked who Onyx's minion was, the newcomer introducing himself as Liege Maximo, who had also lost his lands to the army of [[Darklands|Darklanders]]. At Alpha Trion's urging, the Primes allowed Onyx and Liege Maximo into their alliance. When the time of battle came, Nexus wished to join his followers in combat but remained behind at Solus's urging. After the [[Titan (group)|Titans]] arrived, Onyx leapt into the fray only to recognize the enemy commander as his old friend Megatronus. Nexus was shocked at this development, before the eight Primes joined forces. In the aftermath, [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]] expressed the belief that the alliance would attract Nexus's brother to him. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Unbeknownst to the Primes, the 'bot they believed to be Onyx Prime was in fact a time-travelling Shockwave from ten million years in the future who had engineered the entire conflict to bring the Primes together as history recorded. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

[[File:RID34 enigma of combination.jpg|thumb|left|250px|My Enigma don't go to none if they're lowborn, hun.]]

Power turned Nexus into something of a git really, believing that all non-Primes should serve their Prime masters. {{storylink|The Crucible}} Among the members of his court was a [[Titan Master]] by the name of [[Infinitus]], who wholeheartedly believed in his master's elitist approach to social engineering. {{storylink|White Heat}} The Thirteen Primes ruled their planet peacefully until Liege Maximo and Megatronus conspired together, goaded on by Shockwave's machinations, and started the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]] via the murder of Solus Prime. While Megatronus fled Cybertron, Nexus and [[Quintus Prime|Quintus]] managed to restrain Maximo, before trying and exiling him aboard [[Vigilem]]. {{storylink|Heavy}} {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

Nexus allied himself with "Onyx Prime" during the war and used his [[Enigma of Combination]] to create the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]]: humanoid Transformers combined with beasts. {{storylink|The Crucible}} [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] found the whole concept disgusting and single-handedly slaughtered the Headmasters before coming after Nexus himself. Nexus sneered that Galvatron was a "lowborn" that couldn't kill him, and Galvatron responded by doing just that. The realization that a Prime could be killed by someone other than another Prime caused most of the remaining Primes to flee the planet. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

He was survived by Infinitus, who vowed to keep his master's teachings alive and eventually apply them to all of Cybertron–especially the parts about forced servitude to the Primes. {{storylink|White Heat}} Nexus's [[Titan (group)|Titan]], [[Devisiun (Titan)|Devisiun]], also survived the war and colonized [[Devisiun (planet)|a planet]] in honor of his master which the younger Shockwave eventually seeded with [[Ore-5]]. {{storylink|Ceremony|The Lost Colonies of Cybertron}}
{{--}}

===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons===
[[Victorion]] claimed to only follow the will of Nexus Prime, though she admitted he hadn't given her any new guidance in some time. {{storylink|Desperate Actions}}

===''Power of the Primes'' marketing material===
Nexus Prime's [[Spark]] passed into the possession of one of the twelve [[Prime Master]]s; hidden within a suit of decoy armor, they safeguarded the abilities of the Primes until the present day. By uniting with a larger Transformer, the Prime Master could channel the powers of Nexus's Spark and grant them unique abilities that varied with each new partner. {{storylink|Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes}}

{{note|For a list of every permutation of Nexus Prime's abilities, see [[Prime Master/Combinations|this link]].}}

===''Cyberverse'' cartoon===
Nexus Prime was one of the [[Thirteen]]. {{storylink|Dweller In The Depths (Cyberverse)|Dweller In The Depths}} {{storylink|Silent Strike}} {{storylink|The Other One}}

Nexus Prime eventually passed, being buried with all of his worldly possessions on another planet. Following the [[Quintesson]] invasion of Cybertron, [[Grimlock (Cyberverse)|Grimlock]] and [[Arcee (Cyberverse)|Arcee]] grave-robbed him. {{storylink|The Immobilizers}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
[[File:SeaOfRustI-NexusPrime.jpg|thumb]]
Nexus Prime, the holder of the Enigma of Combination, was one of the Thirteen Primes. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Sea of Rust I|Sea of Rust I}} It was said that Primus had created Nexus as a being of controlled chaos, introducing necessary change into Cybertronian society to prevent stagnation. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Enigmatic|Enigmatic}}

===''One'' film===
[[File:TransformersOne-ThePrimesholograms.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Nexus is the holographic guy on the farthest left!]]
{{voiceactor|[[Manuel Pérez]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}
One of the original Thirteen Primes, Nexus Prime ruled alongside his fellows until the [[Quintesson]]s invaded Cybertron. When the Primes were directed by [[Sentinel Prime (One)|Sentinel]] to a meeting of Quintesson generals, they found it an ambush. Despite being caught off-guard, the Primes managed to turn the tide of the battle before Sentinel betrayed them, stabbing Nexus and using his weapon to slay several of the Primes. Fifty cycles later, the spirits of the Primes appeared before Orion Pax when he was bestowed the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and became [[Optimus Prime (One)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|Transformers One (film)|One}}
{{-}}

===Energon Universe===
After Optimus Prime found himself in the [[Hall of the Primes]], he saw a statue of Nexus Prime among the others. {{storylink|Transformers (2023) issue 22|Transformers #22}}
{{--}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
;'''Nexus Prime Core'''
[[File:Earth Wars Nexus Prime Core.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6]]

Nexus Prime's [[Prime Master#Transformers: Earth Wars|Prime Core]] (his "heart" as one of the primordial [[Thirteen|Thirteen Primes]]) fell to Earth under mysterious circumstances along with those of his siblings to become a hotly contested resource in the [[Earth Wars (conflict)|Earth Wars]]. {{storylink|Power of the Primes (Earth Wars)|Power of the Primes}}

*'''Effect:''' Additional damage to enemy [[Transformers: Earth Wars#Combiners|Combiner]]s. If the [[Transformers: Earth Wars#Standard Bots|Bot]] this Core is affixed to is deployed before your Combiner phase, your Combiner has increased attack power and damage negation.

[https://tfew.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4733780017183-Prime-Cores-Bot Nexus Prime Core at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]

{{chargamestub|{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}}}

===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
Nexus Prime was a stalwart ally of Prima and the first combiner. {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}} At the dawn of history, Nexus Prime received the [[Enigma of Combination]]. Some historical texts instead remembered him instead as "Nexus Maximus", {{storylink|The Enigma of Combination}} his original name, {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}} while some ancient humans knew him as {{w|Juno (mythology)|Juno}}. {{storylink|The Enigma of Combination}}

==Toys==
===''Cybertron'', ''Classics'', and ''Timelines''===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-NexusMaximus.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Remember to use the instructions! You don't want to put something in the wrong hole.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|[[Skyfall (Cybertron)#Cybertron|Skyfall]] ([[2005]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|[[Landquake (Timelines)#Timelines|Landquake]] ([[2006]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|[[Breakaway (Classics)#Classics|Breakaway]] ([[2007]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|[[Topspin (Classics)#Classics|Topspin]] ([[2008]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-sd|[[Heatwave (Timelines)#Timelines|Heatwave]] ([[2009]])}}</ul>
{{toydesigner|[[Dan Khanna]] (concept artist)}}

:Nexus Maximus is composed of his five team members, with Heatwave forming his central body component. His limbs' [[energon weapon]]s form his hands and feet. Conisisting of [[redeco]]s of components of the ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' combiners, Nexus Maximus, just like [[Superion Maximus]], [[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Bruticus Maximus]], and [[Constructicon Maximus]], features universal connection points for the limbs, allowing many different combinations and even swapping of limbs from different teams, in a fashion very similar to ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'''s "[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#1986 (Scramble City and Transformers 2010)|Scramble City]]"-type combiner teams. Unlike the other Maximus-style combiners, Nexus Maximus features four unique molds for his limb pieces, rather than two redecoed to fit both the legs and arms, due to him using both [[Destruction Team]] and [[Air Team]] molds. Whereas the individual components' robot modes still feature the same head sculpts as the ''Energon'' figures they're redecoed from, the combined form of Nexus Maximus himself was given an entirely new, unique head sculpt, which is an amalgamation of visual elements of its components' own heads: Skyfall's eyes, Landquake's chin, Breakaway's forehead, Topspin's "mohawk", and Heatwave's "ears".

:Nexus Maximus is the combined form of the first five [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] freebie toys, which were released over the span of five years in different toyline brandings for the components.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/TFCCNexusMaximus/nexusmaximus.htm More information on Nexus Maximus at TFU.info]''
{{--}}

===''Power of the Primes''===
[[File:TF-PotP-SDCC-2018-Throne-of-the-Primes-Nexus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
<ul class = "iconlist>{{Bp-m1|'''Throne of the Primes''' (Leader Class, [[2018]])}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number'': '''PP-43'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[January 26]], [[2019]]
{{toydesigner|[[Marcelo Matere]] (throne designer, packaging artist)}}

:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' Nexus Prime is a retool of the [[Maccadam#Power of the Primes|Alchemist Prime]]/[[Submarauder (G1)#Power of the Primes|Submarauder]] inner robot with a new [[Prime Master]] sigil/backpack, packaged in the [[Throne of the Primes#Toys|Throne of the Primes]] set.

:This toy has identical features to the other Prime Masters in the line. The [[Titan Master]]-like robot can store inside decoy armor or ride [[Size class|Legends Class]] figures in vehicle mode, and is fully compatible with toys from the previous ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' line. The "Power Swap" gimmick means its [[spark]] form can plug onto any decoy armor's weapon form (which has a [[5 mm post]] to be held by larger figures), Deluxe Class figures' chest armor, Voyager Class figures' bucklers, Leader Class figures' [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Power of the Primes|Matrix]] (in place of their Matrix core), [[combiner]]s' torsos (in place of their [[Enigma of Combination]]), or the included [[Scepter of Sparks]] or [[Halo of Primus]] accessories. With the power of [[you]]r imagination, this bestows the Prime Master's [[Prime Master/Combinations|unique power]] on the larger figure.

:While Nexus is a retool of Alchemist Prime (gang-molded with his included Submarauder decoy armor), it is unknown what gang-molded decoy armor Nexus would have had as a hypothetical mass-retail Prime Master.

:This set debuted at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2018, and was later sold via [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] online. It was also available at general retail in Taiwan.
{{--}}

===''Age of the Primes''===
[[File:AOTP-Nexus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|What do you ''mean'' I'm not the [[Amalgamous Prime#Age of the Primes|Prime that splits into multiple components]]??]]
<ul class = "iconlist>{{Bp-pr7|'''The Thirteen Nexus Prime''' (Voyager Class, [[2026]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': [[Enigma of Combination#Age of the Primes|Enigma of Combination]], 2 wings/blasters
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro), [[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref name=AOTPDeepDive>[[February 3]], [[2026]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzWSj4wlnqM Transformers Age of the Primes Deep Dive | In-Hand Look at the New Wave | February 2026] with [[Evan Brooks]], [[Mark Maher]], and [[Nate Purswell]].</ref>

:Released in the fifth wave of ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]]'' Voyager Class toys, Nexus Prime is mostly based on his ''[[Transformers One (film)|Transformers One]]'' design with a few specific details lifted from his ''Covenant of Primus'' design and [[Dan Khanna]]'s original concept art, with the color scheme of his [[#Toys|''Cybertron''/''Classics''/''Timelines'' toy]], transforming into a Cybertronian <s>flying brick</s> "jet tank".<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://www.hasbropulse.com/product/transformers-age-of-the-primes-voyager-class-the-thirteen-nexus-prime/G20015X00|quote=Convert between bot and jet tank in 23 steps.|name=Hasbro Pulse|title=Transformers Age of the Primes Voyager Class The Thirteen Nexus Prime}}</ref>

:He includes 3 accessories: two removable wings that can function as 5 mm-compatible blasters, and his [[Artifacts of the Primes|Artifact]], the Enigma of Combination, which is naturally branded with his personal sigil. While it nominally stores underneath his nosecone, it can also be hand-held (or mounted on whatever [[5 mm post]]-hole you feel like). His wings can also be hinged backwards in robot mode for an even more ''Covenant''/''One'' accurate appearance. The jet-mode "thrusters" molded near his wrists are fully [[Fire Blast effect|blast effect]] compatible, and reference the many times Nexus has adorned some form of forearm-mounted artillery.

:[[File:AOTP Nexus Prime Combinations.jpg|thumb|left|''I'll wear my grandkids' clothes'']]
:Rather than being the entire combiner as he is usually depicted, this Nexus Prime forms only a combiner torso, with a headsculpt based on his ''Covenant of Primus'' design. Dedicated limb-bots for a full combiner are planned for [[2027]].<ref name=AOTPDeepDive/>

:Until then, the combiner torso is compatible with ''Age of the Primes'' [[Silverbolt (G1)#Age of the Primes|Silverbolt's]] combiner frame, attaching by rotating the upper torso 180 degrees, allowing the bulk of Nexus to show as a chestplate rather than be covered up by [[Superion (G1)#Age of the Primes|Superion's]] chestplate. As they use the same frame system, the Nexus torso is also compatible with the arms of ''Age of the Primes'' [[Bruticus (G1)#Age of the Primes|Bruticus]]. Additionally, Nexus in vehicle mode is able to attach to front of Silverbolt's booster kibble.

:Nexus Prime went through quite a few ideas in the planning process, including originally being a Leader Class, an all-in-one combiner, and a [[Duocon]].<ref name=AOTPDeepDive/>
{{comingsoontoy}}

{{--}}

==Notes==
[[File:NexusPrimeHead.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75|]]
*Nexus Prime's backstory bears a noticeable similarity to that of {{w|Voltron}}.
*Nexus Prime's TFCC magazine profile mentions that he "no longer has an [[alternate mode]]", due to being split apart for so long and then reassembled.
*Like other members of the Thirteen, Nexus was originally established as a [[multiversal singularity]] who existed as one being across all space and time, but that is [[Shroud|no longer the case]].
*As depicted in the Covenant of Primus, all five of his known components are visible on the right side of the body: a tank (Landfall) and jet (Breakaway) making up one arm, and a helicopter (Topspin) and jet (Skyquake) making up one leg. Hasbro designer [[Aaron Archer]]'s intent was that, as the ultimate combiner, Nexus Prime was not limited to just five components, but could instead combine with any number of robots.<ref name=reinterpretation>{{citesocial
|quote=I would suggest that instead of calling it a misrepresentation, call it a reinterpretation. The Cov. version of Nexus Prime as represented in the book, not only has a rearranged parts, all known (5) parts are represented on the viewable side, he is made up of at least ten parts, half hidden in shadow (other than elements of a carrier type jet) as they were not full named or fully realized characters - it was Aaron Archer's direction that he not be only confined to 5 members, but his core made him combine-able with anyone, as he is a god character. Along with the face detail being moved around, I also did several sketches with him as ever more laden with combiner parts, walking hunched over ala RotF Devastator, or more wide stanced with 4 arms. |link=https://roseknightmare.tistory.com/2760 |name=Ken Christiansen |site=blog post |title=Nexus Prime's design behind story |year=2025 |month=11 |day=26}}</ref>
*Nexus Prime's head design varies greatly across his depictions. The design—an amalgamation of traits from his components' heads—is meant to evoke a superhero cowl (similiar to [[Batman]]), with his head covered in armor but his mouth exposed. However, the deco used for his mouth is almost completely black, making it difficult to see. ''The Covenant of Primus'' reinterpreted his mouth area as a visor, his chin as a [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]]-esque [[mouthplate]], and his actual eyes as forehead detail. It also tweaked the sides of his head into antenna and circular details resembling those of Optimus Prime. Artist [[Ken Christiansen]] has stated that these changes were deliberate reinterpretation.<ref name=reinterpretation /> Most subsequent incarnations have followed the Covenant interpretation; as a result of this game of telephone, his big screen debut in ''[[Transformers One (film)|Transformers One]]'' bears almost no resemblance to his original design (save for the upper-torso, which is nearly 1:1).
*[[Volcanicus (Cyberverse)|''Cyberverse'' Volcanicus]]'s head is based on the Covenant's Nexus Prime design, albeit with a mouth and chin-guard resembling Nexus's original design.

===Naming issues===
[[Fun Publications]] originally submitted the possible names '''Prime Nexus''' and '''Maximus Prime''' to [[Hasbro]] for the character (reflecting the fact that the character is a Prime in-fiction), Hasbro rejected these, apparently because they were feeling protective towards the use of the name Prime (despite previously having approved the fiction that named him a Prime, written by their own [[Forest Lee]]). Hasbro suggested merging the non-Prime segments of the two names instead... oops.

Apparently neither Hasbro nor Fun Publications did their research when naming Nexus Maximus, because there is another product which shares that name and was, as of [[May 24]], [[2009]], the top Google result (websites relating to this character have since surpassed it). While it is definitely a "toy", it is most assuredly not intended for ages 5 and up. According to the Fun Publications Club panel at [[BotCon 2009]], Hasbro did a search for the name with "safe search" on, causing them to not see... well, [http://www.edenfantasys.com/dildos/double-ended-dildos/nexus-maximus this]. '''NOTE: DEFINITELY NOT SAFE FOR WORK.'''

When he finally appeared in fiction, his name was, in fact, given as Nexus Prime, which makes much better sense story-wise but deprives us of many cheap and easy joke opportunities. [[Pete Sinclair]] posted an image on the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] forums of [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]] blaming the "Nexus Maximus" name on a bad translation by [[Beta Maxx (RID)|Beta Maxx]].<ref>[https://tilallaremine.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/nexus-prime/ Definitely, definitely, *not* Nexus Maximus. Timelines Nexus Prime!] from 'Til All Are Mine blog.</ref>

(The debate is still on as to whether Nexus Maximus constitutes a choking hazard.)

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Nexus Prime''' (ネクサスプライム ''Nekusasu Puraimu'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Jīng Tiān Wěi''' (经天纬)

==Gallery==
<gallery>
NexusPrimeDanKhannaConcept.jpg|Original ''Timelines'' concept art
NexusPrime-TFOnecardcropped.jpg|''One'' film
</gallery>

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{Thirteen}}

[[Category:Age of the Primes characters]]
[[Category:Combined forms]]
[[Category:Cyberverse Transformers]]
[[Category:Deep lore characters]]
[[Category:Dimension hoppers]]
[[Category:Earth Wars Transformers]]
[[Category:Energon Universe Transformers]]
[[Category:Fan Club-original characters]]
[[Category:IDW (2005) Transformers]]
[[Category:IDW (2019) Transformers]]
[[Category:Nexus Prime components| ]]
[[Category:One Transformers]]
[[Category:Prime Masters]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass Transformers]]
[[Category:Thirteen]]
[[Category:Timelines characters]]
[[Category:Transformers Roleplaying Game Transformers]]
[[Category:Wings Universe Transformers]]

Nexus Prime

2026-02-04T02:40:01Z

Poliwag06: /* Age of the Primes */ Commenting Bruticus mention out for now, considering that feels mostly just speculation and we should'nt assume.

{{factions|nexusprime|autobot|sgDecepticon}}
{{featured}}
{{disambig3|Nexus}}
[[Image:NexusPrimeflankedbyotherPrimes.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Insert batteries where?!]]
One of the [[Thirteen|original Thirteen Primes]], the wild and unpredictable '''Nexus Prime''' is the first [[combiner]]. He is the bearer of the immensely consequential [[Artifacts of the Primes|artifact]] known as the [[Enigma of Combination]] and the lord of [[Rarified Energon]]—the stuff of [[spark]]s themselves—granting him a variety of mysterious powers above and beyond many of his siblings. Nexus' go-to problem solving method of scattering himself to the four winds has often proved the cause of, and solution to, all of his and his resultant sub-selves' problems. He also has a habit of hoarding the legendary blades forged by his sister [[Solus Prime]] whether they belong to him or not, considering himself the safest pair(s) of hands. How much these antics relate to his reputation as the prankster of the Thirteen is up for interpretation. His fragments include:

*[[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] (A-10 Thunderbolt II, left leg)— a deep space explorer with the ability to project [[Force field|forcefields]]
*[[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]] (anti-aircraft tank, right arm)— a disaffected soldier with the power to forge [[Energon weapon|energon weapons]] unaided
*[[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]] (fighter jet, left arm)— a mystical guardian with preternatural healing abilities
*[[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]] (helicopter, right leg)— a credulous refugee with the power to manipulate sparks
*[[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]] (armored personnel carrier, torso)— a cheerful technician with ability to "speak" machinery to life

Unlike many of his descendants, Nexus Prime is highly mutable and not beholden to a single set of components. In [[Aligned continuity family|a different universe]], Nexus instead split himself into:

*[[Clocker (Prime)|Clocker]]— a [[Velocitron]]ian racer
*[[Mainspring]]— a Velocitronian mechanic
*[[Chaindrive]]— an Autobot soldier
*[[Pinion]]— a [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] trader
*[[Cannonspring]]— a lost Cybertronian

Oh yeah, and he is responsible for [[Shroud|splintering]] himself and [[Multiversal singularity|his brethren]] across the [[Multiverse|multiverse]]. That was a pretty significant thing that happened.

He is sometimes, unfortunately, known as '''[[#Naming issues|Nexus Maximus]]'''.

==Fiction==
===Fun Publications===
When the Thirteen visited ancient Earth of some universal streams, Nexus Prime used a [[holomatter]] avatar which inspired the myth of the goddess Hera, trusted confidant of Zeus, who was [[Prima]]'s holomatter avatar. [[Vector Prime]] shared many fond memories with his siblings, including Nexus, and noted that there were universal streams where Nexus was known as Nexus [[Convoy (rank)|Convoy]].

Nexus Prime, Vector Prime, [[Alpha Trion]], and [[Solus Prime]] made the decision to split Nexus Prime into five pieces to conceal the location of the five fragments of Prima's [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|Star Saber]] sword, a weapon that could destroy star systems, from their evil brother [[The Fallen|Megatronus]]. Using the blade of the Star Saber, Nexus Prime was cut into five other robots: [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]], [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]], and [[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]], who were subsequently scattered across the [[multiverse]] and lost to the ages. {{Storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}

But the skills of Nexus Prime are needed once again, and now that his components have been called together by Primus, he searches the multiverse for the components to the Star Saber sword, armed with his masterful control over all uses of [[energon]], and ability to manipulate [[spark]]s.

[[Image:Clubcombinercarving.jpg|200px|thumb|They drew his limbs arranged incorrectly!]]
The [[Caretaker]] told its components that Nexus Prime was "designated a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]", like the other original thirteen. {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 6}}

When Landquake, Breakaway, Topspin, and Heatwave made an attempt to use their powers to revive the recently assassinated [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]], they were transported—along with a revived Skyfall—to the presence of [[Primus]] in the "afterlife". He gave them a choice of living (or staying dead) as they were, or being reborn as what they were meant to be. After the gestalt members made their deliberations, Primus declared, "The choice is made. Arise, Nexus Prime," as they started the transformation. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 5}}

[[Image:OmegaDoomNexusPrimeGalvatron.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Behold the fingers my toy totally doesn't have!]]

Nexus Prime [[Reformatting|reformatted]] the dead Megatron into the powerful Galvatron, investing in him some of the power of the Thirteen. The two exited the Decepticon stronghold to counter [[Omega Doom]]'s offensive, but they were forced to split up when Doom launched a starkilling missile into Cybertron's sun. Though his Decepticon components protested leaving the battle, Nexus Prime knew saving this Cybertron's star system was of more immediate importance. Regardless, he was too late in stopping the missile, and its energies began to destroy the sun. Nexus began to concentrate.

Nexus returned to Cybertron triumphant, having used his own powers to negate those of the starkilling missile, and he made short work of Omega Doom, saving Galvatron in the nick of time. Though there was more on this Cybertron to do, such as finishing [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] once and for all, Nexus Prime knew he had to depart this universe. After saying goodbye to [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]], he entered a portal with [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]], trusting fate to bring him to the correct destination. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 6}}

Nexus Prime and Aquarius traveled from world to world, but without finding what Nexus Prime was looking for. Eventually, the pair arrived on [[Primax 509.28 Epsilon|one universe]]'s [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where they were attacked by a group of smaller Decepticons who thought they had an easy mark. Though Nexus Prime was unwilling to use his more supernatural powers, lest he draw unwanted attention towards himself, he was still able to easily beat their attackers. As they left the group of dazed Decepticons behind, Nexus Prime and Aquarius wandered through a Cybertronian marketplace. Finally, Nexus Prime began to drop hints about what [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|mysterious artifact]] he was looking for; he hadn't yet clued Aquarius in. Ultimately, Nexus Prime spotted a shipping container with an [[Elite Guard]] symbol on it. This unlocked a memory in the ancient Transformer, allowing him to determine their next destination. He and Aquarius vanished through another portal to yet another dimension. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 1}}

After several unspecified adventures, Aquarius ended up in Axiom Nexus and took charge of a shard of the Star Saber from a [[Chifumi Takahashi|courier]]. In exchange, he promised to help her get home. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 48|Transformers I.Q. last issue review}} To their surprise, however, they ended up on the Cybertron of Aquarius's home reality. It soon became obvious that Nexus had transported them there in order to receive the [[Origin Matrix]], the fifth and final piece, from [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Mammoth]]. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 54|Transformers I.Q. trivia bonus #12}} {{storylink|Falling into Place}}

[[File:AnotherLight-choppitychop.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|"...''Transformers: Prime'' will never make a dozen episodes about finding you."]]

While waiting for Nexus Prime's arrival, Ultra Mammoth confronted his negative counterpart [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]], who was wielding the [[Terminus Blade]] on Earth. After the Origin Matrix inadvertently supercharged the Blade, Nexus Prime's components arrived in time to combine the Matrix with the other elements to reform the Star Saber. Prima's great sword severed the evil Magnus's arm, and Nexus Prime banished the insane Autobot to a dimension suitable for his temperament. With the Star Saber and Terminus Blade in hand, Nexus Prime set about undoing what damage he could from Magnus's abuse of the weapon. {{storylink|Restoration}}

In multidimensional space, Nexus Prime found he could not undo the destruction of universes already caused by the Terminus Blade. Aware that his actions would not be without consequences to himself, Nexus Prime brought the Saber and Blade together. He strengthened the existing walls between dimensions to prevent further inter-universe decay. He bolstered dying universes that had not yet succumbed to Ultra Magnus, hoping they might still survive. In the process, however, the strengthened walls could no longer support the fluidity of multiversal singularities. Nexus Prime felt himself and his fellow Thirteen splintering, existing as independent beings in each reality they manifested in, instead of thirteen singularities. {{storylink|Out of the One, Many}} In [[Primax -408.24 Epsilon|one universe]], Nexus Prime's individual components reconstituted themselves as a group of low-ranking Decepticons known as Heatwave, [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skytop]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landfall]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Quakebreak]], and [[Topspin (Classics)|Spinaway]]. Although they retained their ability to combine, this "new" Nexus Prime was significantly less coordinated than his predecessor, and his components didn't believe the stories that they had once been some kind of multiversal guardian. {{storylink|Coalescence}}
{{--}}

===Aligned continuity family===
====''The Covenant of Primus''====
[[Image:5NexusPrime.jpg|thumb|200px]]
Nexus Prime was the seventh member of the Thirteen created by Primus with the purpose of fighting against and defeating Unicron. As the first and greatest combiner, he could separate himself into multiple independent components and combine them at will. Nexus, like his siblings who were created between [[Prima]] and [[The Fallen|Megatronus]], was balanced between the personalities of Primus and Unicron.

Nexus was part of the '''Free Agents''', which included [[Maccadam|Alchemist Prime]], [[Solus Prime]], and the [[Thirteenth Prime]]: capable of both direct battle and subtle attacks. As the Primes trained with each other, Solus created the [[Cyber Caliber]] for him, which could split into smaller swords. Nexus would follow Solus into the portal leading to Unicron, entering Unicron's body to harm him from within. All of Nexus' components struggled with the overpowering corruption of Unicron's Dark Energon, but the words of ''Thirteen'', "All Are One", would help him keep fighting. Eventually, Unicron was defeated and Nexus returned to Cybertron with his siblings.

As the [[Age of Primes]] began, Nexus devoted his time to his creative interests, having no interest in the politics of Prima's group. During the [[War of the Primes]], when the Primes came together to vote on whether [[Liege Maximo]]'s [[Farm]] should be shut down or not, Nexus voted with Prima to shut it down. Sometime later, Nexus would join Prima, [[Vector Prime]], [[Alpha Trion]], [[Micronus Prime]], and ''Thirteen'' in finding Megatronus after the death of Solus Prime. Nexus would take his Cyber Caliber when all the Primes visited the Farm, which led to infighting among the Primes.

Nexus Prime would survive the War of the Primes, but the memory of his existence would fade away into myth and legend. Several stellar cycles later, the five components of Nexus Prime -- [[Cannonspring]], [[Mainspring]], [[Pinion]], [[Clocker (Prime)|Clocker]], and [[Chaindrive]] -- would briefly reunite as Nexus Prime, giving [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] his sword. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus}}

====Aligned novels====
Known as the "Wizard of Forms", Nexus Prime was all about change and mutability. When standing alone, his body seemed to shift or be overlaid with ever-changing forms and combinations he might take. Powerful, proud, and frequently unpredictable even to those who knew him best, Nexus Prime was full of good humor and a bit of a prankster at times. He was the "mad experimenter" of the Thirteen and is fascinated by changing states of matter and the creation of new elements in solar forges. This shared affinity for creation led [[Solus Prime]], the "Maker" of the Thirteen, to have special feelings for Nexus, which in turn seemed to have earned him the enmity of [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and [[Liege Maximo]].

Nexus Prime was last seen by Alpha Trion before the [[Age of Wrath]], taking custody of many of Solus Prime's creations, including the Cyber Caliber, the [[Chaos Edge]], the [[Blades of Time]], and the [[Omni Saber]].
The Omni Saber was a part of Nexus Prime's body, and he secreted the Cyber Caliber away inside his form as well before splitting himself into five component robots: Clocker, Mainspring, Chaindrive, Pinion, and Cannonspring.
Each component held a fraction of the Cyber Caliber within themselves and was also charged with guarding one of the Blades of Time. Only by assembling the Blades of Time and using them to open a gateway to the hollow [[Realm of the Primes|realm]] of Vector Prime could the Cyber Caliber be reassembled. The [[Star Saber (Thirteen)|Star Saber]] was believed to have been taken by Nexus Prime but was not in his possession during the [[Great Exodus]].

The sub-selves of Nexus Prime scattered throughout the colony worlds of Cybertron. They remained apart for so long that each forgot their true nature, and no longer recalled being part of Nexus Prime or the Thirteen. All but Cannonspring even forgot their duty to safeguard the Blades of Time and the Cyber Caliber. Clocker and Mainspring wound up on [[Velocitron]], where they remained slightly out of place as mechanics instead of the speed-driven racers who ruled the planet. Pinion ended up on [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]], assimilating well into the culture (perhaps because the Junkion way of constantly reusing materials appealed to the subconscious preference of Nexus Prime for change). Chaindrive found himself on Cybertron, and eventually became part of the Autobot resistance movement alongside [[Ultra Magnus (WFC)|Ultra Magnus]] and Alpha Trion after the Ark's departure. Cannonspring ended up in a crippled ship in Cybertron's deep orbit, until the prospector [[Axer (Prime)|Axer]] triggered some latent transwarp energy on board, transporting them both to Junkion. Cannonspring remained inert for over a million years inside his ship after it crashed.

Nexus Prime began to come together once more thanks to the Matrix, which directed Optimus Prime through space to the various colony worlds. As the Ark came to Velocitron, Optimus discovered two pieces of the Blades of Time and fatefully agreed to bring Clocker and Mainspring on the next leg of his journey when they asked. On Junkion, Prime encountered Pinion while recovering a third Blade, and the fourth was retrieved from Axer. Meanwhile, back on Cybertron, Alpha Trion and [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] concocted a method of sending a scout after Optimus Prime by keying residual Space Bridge energy to the signature of the Matrix. Instinctively, Alpha Trion decided Chaindrive was the proper choice, and he brought with him the fifth Blade. Once all five Blades and the other four components assembled on Junkion, the combined energy was enough to rekindle the inert Cannonspring, bringing him back to full functioning and allowing them to reassemble into Nexus Prime.

Displaying the ability to hold more weapons than an armory, Nexus Prime pulled forth both his Omni Saber and the Chaos Edge, and also passed the Cyber Caliber over to Optimus Prime. Although he refused to kill anyone, Nexus Prime essentially held off the Decepticons and the [[Star Seeker]]s for a time, on intimidation alone. As [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] and [[Thundertron]] left to pursue other goals, Nexus Prime reclaimed his swords and gave some last words of encouragement to Optimus Prime before splitting himself once more. Reduced to a new set of five protoforms, Nexus Prime vanished into space and the annals of history once more. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

====''Prime'' cartoon====
According to legend, at the beginning of time, [[Unicron]] and [[Primus]] battled each other for eons, with neither side remaining victorious for long. Till, that is, Primus created the [[Thirteen]]. These Thirteen defeated Unicron and cast him into space. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}
{{--}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
{{first|[[Earthfall Part 3: The Mind Bomb|''Robots in Disguise'' #30]] (mentioned); [[The Crucible|#34]] (depicted)}}

[[File:OriginMyths-ThePrimes.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Love child of Silverbolt and Wheeljack.]]

In the primitive age that followed the departure of the [[Knights of Cybertron]], Nexus Prime joined his [[Thirteen Tribes|tribe]] with those of [[Solus Prime|Solus]], [[Vector Prime|Vector]], [[Maccadam|Alchemist Prime]] and [[Alpha Trion]] in [[Crystal City]]. Like the other four, he knew [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Onyx Prime]] but he himself was disgusted by Onyx's bestial horde and took time to become acclimated to them. He had a brother in the east who ruled his own kingdom. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Nexus was the first recorded owner of the mysterious artifact known as the [[Enigma of Combination]]. He evidently chose to keep the artifact's true nature as a physical object a secret, with most believing the "Enigma" part of the name referred to a puzzle that had to be solved to allow for [[Combiner|combination]]. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

One evening, Vector Prime barged in on a meeting to announce the approach of Onyx and [[Liege Maximo|a crony]], as well as the news that [[Septimus Prime]] had perished and that [[The Fallen|the conqueror]] of [[Protihex|his lands]] was on the warpath across Cybertron. Despite Solus and Onyx's dismissal, Nexus felt Septimus had still been a Prime such as they were before he asked who Onyx's minion was, the newcomer introducing himself as Liege Maximo, who had also lost his lands to the army of [[Darklands|Darklanders]]. At Alpha Trion's urging, the Primes allowed Onyx and Liege Maximo into their alliance. When the time of battle came, Nexus wished to join his followers in combat but remained behind at Solus's urging. After the [[Titan (group)|Titans]] arrived, Onyx leapt into the fray only to recognize the enemy commander as his old friend Megatronus. Nexus was shocked at this development, before the eight Primes joined forces. In the aftermath, [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]] expressed the belief that the alliance would attract Nexus's brother to him. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} Unbeknownst to the Primes, the 'bot they believed to be Onyx Prime was in fact a time-travelling Shockwave from ten million years in the future who had engineered the entire conflict to bring the Primes together as history recorded. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

[[File:RID34 enigma of combination.jpg|thumb|left|250px|My Enigma don't go to none if they're lowborn, hun.]]

Power turned Nexus into something of a git really, believing that all non-Primes should serve their Prime masters. {{storylink|The Crucible}} Among the members of his court was a [[Titan Master]] by the name of [[Infinitus]], who wholeheartedly believed in his master's elitist approach to social engineering. {{storylink|White Heat}} The Thirteen Primes ruled their planet peacefully until Liege Maximo and Megatronus conspired together, goaded on by Shockwave's machinations, and started the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]] via the murder of Solus Prime. While Megatronus fled Cybertron, Nexus and [[Quintus Prime|Quintus]] managed to restrain Maximo, before trying and exiling him aboard [[Vigilem]]. {{storylink|Heavy}} {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

Nexus allied himself with "Onyx Prime" during the war and used his [[Enigma of Combination]] to create the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]]: humanoid Transformers combined with beasts. {{storylink|The Crucible}} [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] found the whole concept disgusting and single-handedly slaughtered the Headmasters before coming after Nexus himself. Nexus sneered that Galvatron was a "lowborn" that couldn't kill him, and Galvatron responded by doing just that. The realization that a Prime could be killed by someone other than another Prime caused most of the remaining Primes to flee the planet. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

He was survived by Infinitus, who vowed to keep his master's teachings alive and eventually apply them to all of Cybertron–especially the parts about forced servitude to the Primes. {{storylink|White Heat}} Nexus's [[Titan (group)|Titan]], [[Devisiun (Titan)|Devisiun]], also survived the war and colonized [[Devisiun (planet)|a planet]] in honor of his master which the younger Shockwave eventually seeded with [[Ore-5]]. {{storylink|Ceremony|The Lost Colonies of Cybertron}}
{{--}}

===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons===
[[Victorion]] claimed to only follow the will of Nexus Prime, though she admitted he hadn't given her any new guidance in some time. {{storylink|Desperate Actions}}

===''Power of the Primes'' marketing material===
Nexus Prime's [[Spark]] passed into the possession of one of the twelve [[Prime Master]]s; hidden within a suit of decoy armor, they safeguarded the abilities of the Primes until the present day. By uniting with a larger Transformer, the Prime Master could channel the powers of Nexus's Spark and grant them unique abilities that varied with each new partner. {{storylink|Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes}}

{{note|For a list of every permutation of Nexus Prime's abilities, see [[Prime Master/Combinations|this link]].}}

===''Cyberverse'' cartoon===
Nexus Prime was one of the [[Thirteen]]. {{storylink|Dweller In The Depths (Cyberverse)|Dweller In The Depths}} {{storylink|Silent Strike}} {{storylink|The Other One}}

Nexus Prime eventually passed, being buried with all of his worldly possessions on another planet. Following the [[Quintesson]] invasion of Cybertron, [[Grimlock (Cyberverse)|Grimlock]] and [[Arcee (Cyberverse)|Arcee]] grave-robbed him. {{storylink|The Immobilizers}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
[[File:SeaOfRustI-NexusPrime.jpg|thumb]]
Nexus Prime, the holder of the Enigma of Combination, was one of the Thirteen Primes. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Sea of Rust I|Sea of Rust I}} It was said that Primus had created Nexus as a being of controlled chaos, introducing necessary change into Cybertronian society to prevent stagnation. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Enigmatic|Enigmatic}}

===''One'' film===
[[File:TransformersOne-ThePrimesholograms.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Nexus is the holographic guy on the farthest left!]]
{{voiceactor|[[Manuel Pérez]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}
One of the original Thirteen Primes, Nexus Prime ruled alongside his fellows until the [[Quintesson]]s invaded Cybertron. When the Primes were directed by [[Sentinel Prime (One)|Sentinel]] to a meeting of Quintesson generals, they found it an ambush. Despite being caught off-guard, the Primes managed to turn the tide of the battle before Sentinel betrayed them, stabbing Nexus and using his weapon to slay several of the Primes. Fifty cycles later, the spirits of the Primes appeared before Orion Pax when he was bestowed the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and became [[Optimus Prime (One)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|Transformers One (film)|One}}
{{-}}

===Energon Universe===
After Optimus Prime found himself in the [[Hall of the Primes]], he saw a statue of Nexus Prime among the others. {{storylink|Transformers (2023) issue 22|Transformers #22}}
{{--}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
;'''Nexus Prime Core'''
[[File:Earth Wars Nexus Prime Core.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6]]

Nexus Prime's [[Prime Master#Transformers: Earth Wars|Prime Core]] (his "heart" as one of the primordial [[Thirteen|Thirteen Primes]]) fell to Earth under mysterious circumstances along with those of his siblings to become a hotly contested resource in the [[Earth Wars (conflict)|Earth Wars]]. {{storylink|Power of the Primes (Earth Wars)|Power of the Primes}}

*'''Effect:''' Additional damage to enemy [[Transformers: Earth Wars#Combiners|Combiner]]s. If the [[Transformers: Earth Wars#Standard Bots|Bot]] this Core is affixed to is deployed before your Combiner phase, your Combiner has increased attack power and damage negation.

[https://tfew.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4733780017183-Prime-Cores-Bot Nexus Prime Core at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]

{{chargamestub|{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}}}

===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
Nexus Prime was a stalwart ally of Prima and the first combiner. {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}} At the dawn of history, Nexus Prime received the [[Enigma of Combination]]. Some historical texts instead remembered him instead as "Nexus Maximus", {{storylink|The Enigma of Combination}} his original name, {{storylink|Transformers One Sourcebook}} while some ancient humans knew him as {{w|Juno (mythology)|Juno}}. {{storylink|The Enigma of Combination}}

==Toys==
===''Cybertron'', ''Classics'', and ''Timelines''===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-NexusMaximus.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Remember to use the instructions! You don't want to put something in the wrong hole.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|[[Skyfall (Cybertron)#Cybertron|Skyfall]] ([[2005]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|[[Landquake (Timelines)#Timelines|Landquake]] ([[2006]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|[[Breakaway (Classics)#Classics|Breakaway]] ([[2007]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|[[Topspin (Classics)#Classics|Topspin]] ([[2008]])}}</ul>
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-sd|[[Heatwave (Timelines)#Timelines|Heatwave]] ([[2009]])}}</ul>
{{toydesigner|[[Dan Khanna]] (concept artist)}}

:Nexus Maximus is composed of his five team members, with Heatwave forming his central body component. His limbs' [[energon weapon]]s form his hands and feet. Conisisting of [[redeco]]s of components of the ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' combiners, Nexus Maximus, just like [[Superion Maximus]], [[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Bruticus Maximus]], and [[Constructicon Maximus]], features universal connection points for the limbs, allowing many different combinations and even swapping of limbs from different teams, in a fashion very similar to ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'''s "[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#1986 (Scramble City and Transformers 2010)|Scramble City]]"-type combiner teams. Unlike the other Maximus-style combiners, Nexus Maximus features four unique molds for his limb pieces, rather than two redecoed to fit both the legs and arms, due to him using both [[Destruction Team]] and [[Air Team]] molds. Whereas the individual components' robot modes still feature the same head sculpts as the ''Energon'' figures they're redecoed from, the combined form of Nexus Maximus himself was given an entirely new, unique head sculpt, which is an amalgamation of visual elements of its components' own heads: Skyfall's eyes, Landquake's chin, Breakaway's forehead, Topspin's "mohawk", and Heatwave's "ears".

:Nexus Maximus is the combined form of the first five [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] freebie toys, which were released over the span of five years in different toyline brandings for the components.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/TFCCNexusMaximus/nexusmaximus.htm More information on Nexus Maximus at TFU.info]''
{{--}}

===''Power of the Primes''===
[[File:TF-PotP-SDCC-2018-Throne-of-the-Primes-Nexus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
<ul class = "iconlist>{{Bp-m1|'''Throne of the Primes''' (Leader Class, [[2018]])}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number'': '''PP-43'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[January 26]], [[2019]]
{{toydesigner|[[Marcelo Matere]] (throne designer, packaging artist)}}

:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' Nexus Prime is a retool of the [[Maccadam#Power of the Primes|Alchemist Prime]]/[[Submarauder (G1)#Power of the Primes|Submarauder]] inner robot with a new [[Prime Master]] sigil/backpack, packaged in the [[Throne of the Primes#Toys|Throne of the Primes]] set.

:This toy has identical features to the other Prime Masters in the line. The [[Titan Master]]-like robot can store inside decoy armor or ride [[Size class|Legends Class]] figures in vehicle mode, and is fully compatible with toys from the previous ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' line. The "Power Swap" gimmick means its [[spark]] form can plug onto any decoy armor's weapon form (which has a [[5 mm post]] to be held by larger figures), Deluxe Class figures' chest armor, Voyager Class figures' bucklers, Leader Class figures' [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Power of the Primes|Matrix]] (in place of their Matrix core), [[combiner]]s' torsos (in place of their [[Enigma of Combination]]), or the included [[Scepter of Sparks]] or [[Halo of Primus]] accessories. With the power of [[you]]r imagination, this bestows the Prime Master's [[Prime Master/Combinations|unique power]] on the larger figure.

:While Nexus is a retool of Alchemist Prime (gang-molded with his included Submarauder decoy armor), it is unknown what gang-molded decoy armor Nexus would have had as a hypothetical mass-retail Prime Master.

:This set debuted at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2018, and was later sold via [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] online. It was also available at general retail in Taiwan.
{{--}}

===''Age of the Primes''===
[[File:AOTP-Nexus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|What do you ''mean'' I'm not the [[Amalgamous Prime#Age of the Primes|Prime that splits into multiple components]]??]]
<ul class = "iconlist>{{Bp-pr7|'''The Thirteen Nexus Prime''' (Voyager Class, [[2026]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': [[Enigma of Combination#Age of the Primes|Enigma of Combination]], 2 wings/blasters
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro), [[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref name=AOTPDeepDive>[[February 3]], [[2026]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzWSj4wlnqM Transformers Age of the Primes Deep Dive | In-Hand Look at the New Wave | February 2026] with [[Evan Brooks]], [[Mark Maher]], and [[Nate Purswell]].</ref>

:Released in the fifth wave of ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]]'' Voyager Class toys, Nexus Prime is mostly based on his ''[[Transformers One (film)|Transformers One]]'' design with a few specific details lifted from his ''Covenant of Primus'' design and [[Dan Khanna]]'s original concept art, with the color scheme of his [[#Toys|''Cybertron''/''Classics''/''Timelines'' toy]], transforming into a Cybertronian <s>flying brick</s> "jet tank".<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://www.hasbropulse.com/product/transformers-age-of-the-primes-voyager-class-the-thirteen-nexus-prime/G20015X00|quote=Convert between bot and jet tank in 23 steps.|name=Hasbro Pulse|title=Transformers Age of the Primes Voyager Class The Thirteen Nexus Prime}}</ref>

:He includes 3 accessories: two removable wings that can function as 5 mm-compatible blasters, and his [[Artifacts of the Primes|Artifact]], the Enigma of Combination, which is naturally branded with his personal sigil. While it nominally stores underneath his nosecone, it can also be hand-held (or mounted on whatever [[5 mm post]]-hole you feel like). His wings can also be hinged backwards in robot mode for an even more ''Covenant''/''One'' accurate appearance. The jet-mode "thrusters" molded near his wrists are fully [[Fire Blast effect|blast effect]] compatible, and reference the many times Nexus has adorned some form of forearm-mounted artillery.

:[[File:AOTP Nexus Prime Combinations.jpg|thumb|left|''I'll wear my grandkids' clothes'']]
:Rather than being the entire combiner as he is usually depicted, this Nexus Prime forms only a combiner torso, with a headsculpt based on his ''Covenant of Primus'' design. Dedicated limb-bots for a full combiner are planned for [[2027]].<ref name=AOTPDeepDive/>

:Until then, the combiner torso is compatible with ''Age of the Primes'' [[Silverbolt (G1)#Age of the Primes|Silverbolt's]] combiner frame, attaching by rotating the upper torso 180 degrees, allowing the bulk of Nexus to show as a chestplate rather than be covered up by [[Superion (G1)#Age of the Primes|Superion's]] chestplate.  Additionally, Nexus in vehicle mode is able to attach to front of Silverbolt's booster kibble.

:Nexus Prime went through quite a few ideas in the planning process, including originally being a Leader Class, an all-in one combiner, and a [[Duocon]].<ref name=AOTPDeepDive/>
{{comingsoontoy}}

{{--}}

==Notes==
[[File:NexusPrimeHead.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75|]]
*Nexus Prime's backstory bears a noticeable similarity to that of {{w|Voltron}}.
*Nexus Prime's TFCC magazine profile mentions that he "no longer has an [[alternate mode]]", due to being split apart for so long and then reassembled.
*Like other members of the Thirteen, Nexus was originally established as a [[multiversal singularity]] who existed as one being across all space and time, but that is [[Shroud|no longer the case]].
*As depicted in the Covenant of Primus, all five of his known components are visible on the right side of the body: a tank (Landfall) and jet (Breakaway) making up one arm, and a helicopter (Topspin) and jet (Skyquake) making up one leg. Hasbro designer [[Aaron Archer]]'s intent was that, as the ultimate combiner, Nexus Prime was not limited to just five components, but could instead combine with any number of robots.<ref name=reinterpretation>{{citesocial
|quote=I would suggest that instead of calling it a misrepresentation, call it a reinterpretation. The Cov. version of Nexus Prime as represented in the book, not only has a rearranged parts, all known (5) parts are represented on the viewable side, he is made up of at least ten parts, half hidden in shadow (other than elements of a carrier type jet) as they were not full named or fully realized characters - it was Aaron Archer's direction that he not be only confined to 5 members, but his core made him combine-able with anyone, as he is a god character. Along with the face detail being moved around, I also did several sketches with him as ever more laden with combiner parts, walking hunched over ala RotF Devastator, or more wide stanced with 4 arms. |link=https://roseknightmare.tistory.com/2760 |name=Ken Christiansen |site=blog post |title=Nexus Prime's design behind story |year=2025 |month=11 |day=26}}</ref>
*Nexus Prime's head design varies greatly across his depictions. The design—an amalgamation of traits from his components' heads—is meant to evoke a superhero cowl (similiar to [[Batman]]), with his head covered in armor but his mouth exposed. However, the deco used for his mouth is almost completely black, making it difficult to see. ''The Covenant of Primus'' reinterpreted his mouth area as a visor, his chin as a [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]]-esque [[mouthplate]], and his actual eyes as forehead detail. It also tweaked the sides of his head into antenna and circular details resembling those of Optimus Prime. Artist [[Ken Christiansen]] has stated that these changes were deliberate reinterpretation.<ref name=reinterpretation /> Most subsequent incarnations have followed the Covenant interpretation; as a result of this game of telephone, his big screen debut in ''[[Transformers One (film)|Transformers One]]'' bears almost no resemblance to his original design (save for the upper-torso, which is nearly 1:1).
*[[Volcanicus (Cyberverse)|''Cyberverse'' Volcanicus]]'s head is based on the Covenant's Nexus Prime design, albeit with a mouth and chin-guard resembling Nexus's original design.

===Naming issues===
[[Fun Publications]] originally submitted the possible names '''Prime Nexus''' and '''Maximus Prime''' to [[Hasbro]] for the character (reflecting the fact that the character is a Prime in-fiction), Hasbro rejected these, apparently because they were feeling protective towards the use of the name Prime (despite previously having approved the fiction that named him a Prime, written by their own [[Forest Lee]]). Hasbro suggested merging the non-Prime segments of the two names instead... oops.

Apparently neither Hasbro nor Fun Publications did their research when naming Nexus Maximus, because there is another product which shares that name and was, as of [[May 24]], [[2009]], the top Google result (websites relating to this character have since surpassed it). While it is definitely a "toy", it is most assuredly not intended for ages 5 and up. According to the Fun Publications Club panel at [[BotCon 2009]], Hasbro did a search for the name with "safe search" on, causing them to not see... well, [http://www.edenfantasys.com/dildos/double-ended-dildos/nexus-maximus this]. '''NOTE: DEFINITELY NOT SAFE FOR WORK.'''

When he finally appeared in fiction, his name was, in fact, given as Nexus Prime, which makes much better sense story-wise but deprives us of many cheap and easy joke opportunities. [[Pete Sinclair]] posted an image on the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] forums of [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]] blaming the "Nexus Maximus" name on a bad translation by [[Beta Maxx (RID)|Beta Maxx]].<ref>[https://tilallaremine.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/nexus-prime/ Definitely, definitely, *not* Nexus Maximus. Timelines Nexus Prime!] from 'Til All Are Mine blog.</ref>

(The debate is still on as to whether Nexus Maximus constitutes a choking hazard.)

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Nexus Prime''' (ネクサスプライム ''Nekusasu Puraimu'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Jīng Tiān Wěi''' (经天纬)

==Gallery==
<gallery>
NexusPrimeDanKhannaConcept.jpg|Original ''Timelines'' concept art
NexusPrime-TFOnecardcropped.jpg|''One'' film
</gallery>

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{Thirteen}}

[[Category:Age of the Primes characters]]
[[Category:Combined forms]]
[[Category:Cyberverse Transformers]]
[[Category:Deep lore characters]]
[[Category:Dimension hoppers]]
[[Category:Earth Wars Transformers]]
[[Category:Energon Universe Transformers]]
[[Category:Fan Club-original characters]]
[[Category:IDW (2005) Transformers]]
[[Category:IDW (2019) Transformers]]
[[Category:Nexus Prime components| ]]
[[Category:One Transformers]]
[[Category:Prime Masters]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass Transformers]]
[[Category:Thirteen]]
[[Category:Timelines characters]]
[[Category:Transformers Roleplaying Game Transformers]]
[[Category:Wings Universe Transformers]]

Howlback (BB)

2026-01-31T11:04:57Z

Poliwag06:

{{faction|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Howlback}}
:''Howlback is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Bumblebee (franchise)|Bumblebee]] portion of the [[movie continuity family]].''
[[File:BB-toy Howlback.jpg|upright=2|thumb|Hey, I'm not the [[Stripes#Titans Return|most obscure]] use of this mold.]]

'''Howlback''' is (possibly) one of [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]'s minions.

==Toys==
===''Bumblebee''===
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Bumblebee Cassette Pack''' (4-pack, [[2018]])}}</ul>

: Howlback is a redeco of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' Legends Class [[Ravage (G1)/toys#Titans Return|Ravage]] in [[Howlback (G1)|traditional Howlback colors]], transforming from panther to spy tablet to jet. In spy-tablet mode, they can be stored in [[Soundwave (ROTF)/toys#Bumblebee|Soundwave]]'s chest, and also features a dummy 3.5mm audio jack that you can attach a set of headphones to. Howlback also sports a pair of posts in beast and vehicle mode that allow a [[Titan Master]] to ride atop them.

: Howlback is bundled with [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#CassettePack|Bumblebee]], [[Frenzy (Movie)#Bumblebee|Frenzy]], and [[Buzzsaw (ROTF)#Toys|Buzzsaw]] in the [[Target]]-exclusive "Bumblebee Cassette Pack".

:The original version of this mold was used to make ''Titans Return'' [[Stripes#Generations|Stripes]].

==Notes==
* In the absence of any bio or tie-in fiction, Howlback's gender is conjecture, but the toy is blatantly an updating of the [[Howlback (G1)|original Howlback]], who is female.

[[Category:Bumblebee Decepticons]]
[[Category:Cats]]
[[Category:Female Transformers]]
[[Category:Target exclusives]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]

Talk:Before & After

2026-01-26T04:54:55Z

Poliwag06: /* Possible addition to Trivia section for this issue */

So should we be adding the Conjunx Endura aspect to the general relationships and family articles?
: Absolutely. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:58, 20 December 2012 (EST)

Sureshot's victim not so generic. I'm pretty sure it's G2 decepticon Smokescreen.
--[[User:Bludgeon|Bludgeon]]
:With purple parts? Smokescreen don't got none'a those. I asked the colourist on Twitter, he says it's just a generic. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:41, 20 December 2012 (EST)

Just noticed we have two #13's, Rewind and Cyclonus. Would edit it myself but i haven't the time/patience to deal with it [[User:Mini-master|Mini-master]] 09:29, 21 December 2012 (EST)

I have a question: When Chromedome was telling Tailgate about his history with Rewind, and he brings up Dominus Ambus, Tailgate says "I hate him." Does this mean that Tailgate knew or at least knew of him? [[User:Shrapnel|Shrapnel]] 12:35, 21 December 2012 (EST)
:No, it seemed to be more of a "this guy is good at EVERYTHING so I hate him already"-type line. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 12:53, 21 December 2012 (EST)
::I took it more as "You're my friend, Chromedome, so I'm gonna hate this rival for Rewind's affections to support you" kind of thing. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:05, 21 December 2012 (EST)

Ah, I see, thanks. [[User:Shrapnel|Shrapnel]] 20:18, 21 December 2012 (EST)

There's another 'Bot on page 1, behind Brawn, Atomizer and Sunstreaker. Any ideas? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 11:00, 22 December 2012 (EST)
:At a guess, [[Doubletap]] or [[Turbine]]. He's pale blue, and cold be either of them from issue 6. I'd guess Turbine since he has small horns (based on the wiki's own guess which is which)--[[User:Vestras|Vestras]] 22:42, 16 January 2013 (EST)

==Strafe==

Are we sure that's Strafe? Considering he's currently a limb fighting the Dinobots? [[User:Eire|Eire]] 1st Jan 2013
:Strafe's a Technobot, not an Aerialbot. Oh, and you can create a signature and date after posts automatically by typing four tildes like this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 08:19, 1 January 2013 (EST)

==Possible addition to Trivia section for this issue==
Is it worth bringing up that this issue stating for the first time that Chromedome and Rewind are a couple is the first instance of a same-gender romantic relationship in the entire franchise, 2.5 years before gay marriage was legal in the US? [[User:Bensect|Bensect]] ([[User talk:Bensect|talk]]) 00:28, 22 January 2026 (EST)
:I think there's room for such a note, but C/R isn't the first same-gender couple. That'd be Tigatron/Airazor in Japan, and depending on how you define relationship, Akira/Cain precedes even them. A note like this would have to focus on the rep value in a purely American context (possibly with acknowledgement of the Japanese predecessors). [[User:BerylRoll|BerylRoll]] ([[User talk:BerylRoll|talk]]) 01:03, 23 January 2026 (EST)
::Oh, I didn't know that, that's cool. Yeah, I think it should probably be phrased as the first English-language instance of a same-gender couple in light of that info. Would that work? [[User:Bensect|Bensect]] ([[User talk:Bensect|talk]]) 22:33, 25 January 2026 (EST)
:::<s>Pillsbury</s> McFeely said it best: "the first instance of a gay relationship in American Transformers media"[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 23:54, 25 January 2026 (EST)

Talk:Hound (disambiguation)

2026-01-07T02:20:50Z

Poliwag06: Created page with "==Unknown UT-era-ish Hound?== Don posted artwork of a Hound to his twitter: https://x.com/i/status/2008598405350932567, which was apparently rejected for a line (he forgot the..."

==Unknown UT-era-ish Hound?==
Don posted artwork of a Hound to his twitter: https://x.com/i/status/2008598405350932567, which was apparently rejected for a line (he forgot the exact one, he implies its Energon of Cybertron). Where should we put it, if at all?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:20, 6 January 2026 (EST)

Empurata

2025-11-23T01:43:47Z

Poliwag06: Undo revision 1875939 by Electrofrost (talk) Nope, thats too far!

{{disambig2|the ritualized punishment involving the removal of a Cybertronian's face|the casual hobby of removing a Cybertronian's face|Optimus Prime (Movie)}}
[[File:Shadowplay3 amputee support group.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
'''Empurata''' is an old tradition on pre-war Cybertron. A tradition of ''removing the damn heads and hands'' of criminals and installing new faceless, fingerless replacements so everyone knows to shun them.

It was mostly performed on those [[Reproduction#2005 IDW continuity|constructed cold]], almost certainly out of racism, although even those who were forged could find themselves subjected to it if they made [[Senate|powerful enough]] enemies.

==Fiction==
===2005 IDW continuity===
[[File:Ratchet glitch shadowplay.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|"The one with the claws."]]
When [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]]'s combat prowess caught the attention of the [[Senate]], he was pushed into joining the [[Rodion]] police force. When the 'bot tried to resist his orders, they used empurata to "persuade" him otherwise. {{storylink|Interiors}} When he sold out the Senate to [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Orion Pax]], the reason he gave was "I want my hands back".

The [[Outlier (group)|outlier]] [[Tarn (G1)|Damus]] was also a victim of empurata. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 2: Patternism|Patternism}} He would later regain normal hands and a face. {{Storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}

During the [[Clampdown (event)|Clampdown]], amputee support groups called on the Senate to ban the practice but the Senate responded that it was only used on criminals who deserve it. At the same time they were saying that, the [[Institute]] was 'working' on the crusading [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Senator Shockwave]] and performed empurata on him solely out of spite. Shockwave later replaced his claws but not his head. {{storylink|Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|An Intimate Beheading}}

====The Functionist Universe====
[[File:CustomMadeNow-Dominus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Admit it: you want to do this with a Prime Master and a Titans Return Deluxe/Voyager/Leader-class figure.]]
In [[Functionist Universe|another universe]], the [[Functionist Council]] had slowly but surely conquered the planet. By the present day, empurata had become so common it lost its ability to offend, so it was upgraded: the new "flatheads" had their heads replaced with computer screens and could only display text instead of speak. Officially, they were Council property now, and pop-up propaganda would appear on their faces without warning. By removing your ability to fully express yourself, you were made easier to ignore. {{storylink|The Custom-Made Now - An Elegant Chaos Prologue|The Custom-Made Now}}

The Functionist Council were not above turning their own underlings into flatheads. One such flathead working for [[Twelve-of-Twelve]] helped arrest [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rodimus]] and his associates on their arrival in the Functionist Universe. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 2: Anomie|Anomie}} When the stranded [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] took command of the [[Anti-Vocationist League]], a flathead listened to his speech at [[Nova Point]], displaying "Resist" on their screen. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 6: This Machine Kills Fascists|This Machine Kills Fascists}}

===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
[[Fearswoop (BWU)|Fearswoop]] had an empurata-style optic. {{storylink|Micro-Aggressions}} [[Highline]] was also a victim of empurata. {{storylink|Cultural Appropriation}}

===IDW ''Shattered Glass'' comic===
Empurata was a form of torture from a bygone era Cybertron. Prior to the Great War, it had been reinstated, [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]] blaming [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Orion Pax]] for its return. The process proved divisive in society, Megatron holding rallies protesting it outside the [[Senate]] building. {{storylink|Shattered Glass issue 2|Shattered Glass #2}} When Pax had [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]]' [[Wreckers]] storm the Senate building, Magnus abducted Senator [[Shockwave (SG)|Shockwave]]. {{storylink|Shattered Glass II issue 1|Shattered Glass II #1}} Seeing Shockwave as a threat, Pax ordered his fellow senator to be subjected to the procedure. Though intended to strip Shockwave of his compassionate nature, the process backfired and caused his empathy to consume him. This resulted in Shockwave becoming the face of the anti-empurata movement. [[Whirl (SG)|Whirl]] by contrast became the face of those who supported the punishment. {{storylink|Shattered Glass issue 2|Shattered Glass #2}}

==Notes==
*"Empurata" is an anagram of the Latin word ''amputare'', meaning "to cut away". Rather than be used in a surgical context, as the descended word "amputation" is today, ''amputare'' was a punishment inflicted upon criminals to mark them as such, as it is in the world of ''More than Meets the Eye''.

[[Category:Beast Wars: Uprising Transformer culture]]
[[Category:IDW (2005) Transformer culture]]

User:Poliwag06

2025-11-23T01:34:53Z

Poliwag06:

A young from Singapore, Gen Z member. As the name implies pokemon is also a past time.
==TF collection (actively in use) ==
===At my house===
*[[Weirdwolf (G1)#Titans_Return|Titans Return Wolfwire]] with [[Monzo#Titans_Return|Monzo]]
*[[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)#McDonald's|McDonald's ''Cyberverse'' Bumblebee]]
*[[Bomb-Burst (G1)#Legacy|''Legacy'' Bomb-Burst]]. Got the original release as opposed to the PR by mistake. Oh well.
*[[Prowl (Animated)#Legacy|''Legacy Evolution'' ''Animated'' Prowl]]. Why transformation so hard?
===Stored at my grandma's house===
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)#Universe_.282008.29|''Universe'' Animated Bumblebee]]. The oldest surviving fig in my collection.
*[[Drift (G1)#Generations|''Generations'' Drift]]-another old toy. Often flipped his hip skirts out in car mode to fly him around-[[Tracks (G1)|didn't know such a thing existed]].
*[[Roadbuster (G1)#Generations|''Thrilling 30'' Roadbuster]]. Liked his missile laumcher msd heft.
*[[Blades (G1)#Transformers_.282014.29|Blades]] and [[Hot Spot (G1)#Transformers_.282014.29|Hot Spot]]. I'll never understand why Hot Spot is blue. Also why is blades so hard to transform?
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Leader_Class_toys_5|Leader Class ''Age of Extinction'' Prime]]-tallest fig as I lack a Commander or bigger toy
*[[Crosshairs (AOE)#PowerBattler|Power Battler Crosshairs]]. Why did he get a fist?
*"Fauxcanicus"
**[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#PowerOfThePrimes|''Power Of The Prime's Grimlock'']]: Forms the torso.
**[[Swoop (G1)/toys#PowerOfThePrimes|''Power Of the Primes'' Swoop]]. Nowadays [[Swoop (Cyberverse)|portrayed as a fembot]]-I only have one other [[Strongarm (RID)#Team_Combiners|fembot]] otherwise.
**[[Slag (G1)/toys#PowerOfThePrimes|''Power Of The Primes'' Slug]]. Often form drill arm with Grimlock.
**[[Dreadwind (G1)#PowerOfThePrimes|''Power Of The Primes': Dreadwind]]. Shouldn't be here, but [[Jazz (G1)/toys#PowerOfThePrimes|Jazz's instructions said so]]. Often used as a secondary flier.
**Jazz: Very banged up, missing a tyre, missing head, combiner joint rusty (has since completely degraded).
*[[Springload (RID)#Legion|RID Legion Springload]] and [[Starscream (WFC)/toys#Legion|his wavemate]]. Can combine to form Springscream.
*[[Ultra Bee#toys|Ultra Bee]]
*[[Waspinator (BW)/toys#War_for_Cybertron:_Kingdom|Kingdom Waspinator]]. Why isn't he a [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System|Weaponizer]]?
*[[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#War_for_Cybertron:_Kingdom|''Kingdom'' Wheeljack]]. First and only fig acquired from Kiddy Palace before their TF license got revoked.
*[[Tricranius#Toys|''Kingdom'' Tricranius]]. Got him for the [[Fire Blast effect|blooshes]], but otherwise yeah he's pretty fun.
*[[Brawn (G1)/toys#Studio Series|''Studio Series'' 86 Brawn]]. Transformation cool.
*[[Blue Booster#Toys|Blue Booster]] and [[Wingtail#Toys|Wingtail]]: Car > Plane.
*[[Sureshot (G1)#Age of the Primes|''Age of the Primes'' Sureshot]] (and [[Spoilsport#Age of the Primes|Spoilsport]]). At least he's not [[Pointblank#Legacy|Pointblank]].
*[[Quickstrike (BW)#Age of the Primes|''Age of the Primes'' Quickstrike]]: Early 2026 DX of the year

BBC

2025-11-23T01:20:26Z

Poliwag06: Undo revision 1863086 by Electrofrost (talk) Dialing this back down, the trivia is good enough of a critque

[[File:BBC Logo.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|AKA 'transphobic arses']]
The '''British Broadcasting Corporation''' ('''BBC''') is the state-owned media corporation of the [[United Kingdom]], with a globally-renowned news service, '''BBC News'''.

==Fiction==
===''The Last Knight'' film===
When [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] approached [[Earth]], [[Izabella]] watched several news broadcasts about global panic, with BBC News reporting "Fear in the streets". {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

==See also==
*[[Top Gear]]

==Notes==
*The BBC has given rise to many fictional pastiches, including [[BBS News]] and the [[Cybertronian Broadcasting Company|CBC]].
*The BBC holds linear broadcasting rights to ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)|Transformers: EarthSpark]]'', something which became controversial when they censored the discussion of nonbinary people in "[[Home, Part 1]]". In a copy-and-paste email response to complaints, the corporation "defended" themselves, saying the scene was cut "because it didn’t provide the accuracy of language we need for our young audience, specifically a definition of the meaning of ‘non-binary’ which was given by one of the characters. We left in [other] dialogue [in the show] where characters discuss their pronouns which makes clear that they don’t identify themselves according to binary gender beliefs". Ah-''huh''.
*On [[February 5|5 February]] [[2024]], the ''[[Transformers: Earth Wars]]'' [[Twitter]] account [https://twitter.com/TransformersWar/status/1754497653067395263 posted] a gag image of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] and [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] hosting BBC News.

==External links==
*[https://www.bbc.com/ Official website]
*{{w|BBC}} at Wikipedia

{{DEFAULTSORT:Bbc}}
[[Category:Businesses]]
[[Category:News organizations]]
[[Category:Real-world cultural references]]
[[Category:The Last Knight subgroups]]
[[Category:United Kingdom]]

BBC

2025-11-23T01:18:54Z

Poliwag06: Undo revision 1875929 by Electrofrost (talk) The trivia text and caption are likely far enough.

[[File:BBC Logo.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|MUM! Auntie Beeb's gotten transphobic!]]
The '''British Broadcasting Corporation''' ('''BBC''') is the state-owned media corporation of the [[United Kingdom]], with a globally-renowned news service, '''BBC News'''.

==Fiction==
===''The Last Knight'' film===
When [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] approached [[Earth]], [[Izabella]] watched several news broadcasts about global panic, with BBC News reporting "Fear in the streets". {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

==See also==
*[[Top Gear]]

==Notes==
*The BBC has given rise to many fictional pastiches, including [[BBS News]] and the [[Cybertronian Broadcasting Company|CBC]].
*The BBC holds linear broadcasting rights to ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)|Transformers: EarthSpark]]'', something which became controversial when they censored the discussion of nonbinary people in "[[Home, Part 1]]". In a copy-and-paste email response to complaints, the corporation "defended" themselves, saying the scene was cut "because it didn’t provide the accuracy of language we need for our young audience, specifically a definition of the meaning of ‘non-binary’ which was given by one of the characters. We left in [other] dialogue [in the show] where characters discuss their pronouns which makes clear that they don’t identify themselves according to binary gender beliefs". Ah-''huh''.
*On [[February 5|5 February]] [[2024]], the ''[[Transformers: Earth Wars]]'' [[Twitter]] account [https://twitter.com/TransformersWar/status/1754497653067395263 posted] a gag image of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] and [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] hosting BBC News.

==External links==
*[https://www.bbc.com/ Official website]
*{{w|BBC}} at Wikipedia

{{DEFAULTSORT:Bbc}}
[[Category:Businesses]]
[[Category:News organizations]]
[[Category:Real-world cultural references]]
[[Category:The Last Knight subgroups]]
[[Category:United Kingdom]]

Category:Transgender characters

2025-11-23T01:18:04Z

Poliwag06: Undo revision 1875930 by Electrofrost (talk) This crosses a line I don't think we should mess with

These characters have one or more iterations that are definitively stated to be transgender. Really bringing out the trans in Transformers!

Please note that this is different from "[[:Category:Variable gender characters|Variable gender characters]]", where a character's gender differs between iterations/interpretations, rather than actively transitioning in-universe, and can overlap with but is different from "[[:Category:Nonbinary characters|Nonbinary characters]]", who trans or no are characters whose gender does not simply fit a binary gender or aren't on a masculine-spectrum/feminine-spectrum gender binary at all. Similarly, this is different from "[[:Category:Genderfluid characters|Genderfluid characters]]", where characters show or are stated to have genderfluidity in some way.

[[Category:Gender expansive characters]]

Dinobot (BW)/toys

2025-11-01T23:27:34Z

Poliwag06: /* Legacy */

{{suite}}
[[File:Kingdom Golden Disk Dinobot becomes a masimal.jpg|upright=1.5|thumb|]]

All '''Dinobot''' toys have honor!

==Toys==
===''Beast Wars''===
{{twoimages|File:BW-toy Dinobot.jpg|File:BW-toy DinobotTakara97.jpg|w1=300|w2=300|caption=Left: Wasn't he in [[Jurassic Park|''Jurassic Park'']]? (Hasbro version) Right: Let's hide the legs in beast mode by making them bright translucent orange! (Second Takara version)}}
*'''Dinobot''' (Deluxe Class, [[1996]])
**''Takara ID number:'' '''C-4'''
**''Takara release date:'' July [[1997]]
**''Accessories:'' "[[Cyber-slash tail weapon]]", sword
{{toydesigner|[[Takio Ejima]] (TakaraTomy), [[Masakatsu Saito]] (concept artist)}}

:Part of the first wave of ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' product, Dinobot transforms into what his bio claims is a "vicious ''[[Popular beast alternate modes|Velociraptor]]''". His tail detaches and separates to form a gear-powered, spinning blade "cyber-slash tail weapon", while the central "tail bone" separates to be used as a sword. The entire assembly can store in [[robot mode]] by flipping down the tail-mount and pegging the blade's base to the peg on his lower back. Like all early Deluxe-and-up ''Beast Wars'' toys, he has a "mutant mask", halves of a dino-skull that flip up to cover his more robotic head. Thankfully these pieces are not pinned in, and can be easily removed for better clearance and show-accuracy.

:The original Dinobots shipped on cards with "rocky"-shaped bubbles. Later (and more numerous) assortments moved to a smooth, rounded bubble, leading the first packaging type to become sought-after collectibles on the secondary market. The second packaging variant also saw a slight difference in the toy's tooling, leaving a blank square cut out of his abdomen mold for a [[rubsign]] in preparation for [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Beast Wars|his 1997 redeco]].

:Takara's initial release of the toy was identical to the [[Hasbro]] version (save packaging, of course). In January 1998, Takara [[redeco]]ed many of the ''Beast Wars'' toys and re-released them in slightly more show-like tones; Dinobot's distressingly pinkish skin was changed to tan, his orange robot eyes became red, his flat blue face became metallic blue, his orange dinosaur eyes became white, and his helmet was painted in metallic gold. This version also features the blank square for a rubsign.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/Dinobot/dinobot.htm More information on Dinobot at TFU.info]''
{{BWDinobotMold}}

{{-}}{{anchor|BJs2pack}}
[[File:BJ's-Wholesale-Club-Dinobot-and-Tigatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Deluxe Beast Assortment (Dinobot and Tigatron)''' (two-pack, 1996)
**''Accessories:'' "Cyber-slash tail weapon", sword

:Sold exclusively at [[BJ's Wholesale Club]], Dinobot was released alongside [[Tigatron]] in a two-pack card.

:Both toys are identical to their individual releases.

::*''[https://www.shmax.com/product_details/9280/dinobot_and_tigatron_deluxe_beast_assortment_two_pack More infromation on Shmax.com]''

{{-}}{{anchor|VS4}}{{anchor|VSpack}}
[[File:VS4-DinobotTarantuas.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I prefer to package my toys the old-fashioned way... BRUTALLY!!!]]
*'''Kyōbō no Taiketsu: Dinobot VS Tarans''' (VS pack, 1997)
**''ID number:'' '''VS-4'''
**''Accessories:'' "[[Cyber-slash tail weapon]]", sword

:In Japan, Dinobot was available both as an individual and in a "Ferocious Showdown" (凶暴の対決 ''Kyōbō no Taiketsu'') two-pack with "[[Tarantulas (BW)/toys#VS4|Tarans]]". Both toys in this set were identical to their individual, nigh-identical-to-the-Hasbro-versions releases.

:Both the original toy and Takara's later "more show-like" redeco of Dinobot was released via this VS set.<ref>[https://twitter.com/tfwiki/status/1418228061464678400 Dinobot and Tarans VS pack comparison.]</ref>

{{-}}{{anchor|gold}}
*'''Gold Dinobot''' (Multi-pack "Lucky Draw", [[1998]])
**''Accessories:'' "[[Cyber-slash tail weapon]]", sword

: In 1998, ''[[TV Magazine]]'' offered a gold chrome Dinobot as a prize. Where he was part of a set of other gold ''Beast Wars'' toys of the 5 main Maximals characters.
::*''[https://www.soundwavesoblivion.com/japanesebeastwars.html More information at Soundwaves Oblivion]''

{{-}}{{anchor|MCDTM}}{{anchor|Transmetal}}
[[File:Mcdinobot.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Transforms from ''Velociraptor'' to wolfman.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Happy Meal Transmetal, 1998)
**''McNumber'': '''6'''

:Part of the second [[McDonald's]] ''Beast Wars'' Happy Meal promotion, [[Transmetal]] Dinobot transforms into a robotic ''Velociraptor''. To tie in with the chrome plastic [[gimmick]] of the retail Transmetal toys, parts of his [[beast mode]] are cast in glittery metallic plastic. Like the other McDonald's toys from this assortment, he shares nothing in common with his previous body other than [[alternate mode]] choice.

:This toy was later [[repurposing|repurposed]] by [[IDW Publishing|IDW]]'s ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook|Beast Wars Sourcebook]]'' to represent an [[Dinobot (Transmetal)|initial prototype]] of Dinobot's evil clone, [[Dinobot II]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Maximal/Dinobot/dinobot.htm More information on Transmetal Dinobot at TFU.info]''

{{-}}{{anchor|FK}}{{anchor|FoxKids}}
[[File:FK-Dinobot-toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Eww...perhaps using the power sander to buff his scales wasn't a good idea.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Fox Kids Deluxe, [[1999]])
**''Accessories:'' "[[Cyber-slash tail weapon]]", sword

:Part of the first wave of "[[Fox Kids]]" redecoes (so called because of the callout on the package to the Fox Kids programming block where the cartoon had recently moved), this version of Dinobot is more dark brown than the original, with red stripes instead of the original's brown, with a red robot mode face and green eyes. This toy uses the [[retool]]ed mold with the shoulder ratchets and the (unused) "[[rubsign|energon chip]]" space that were created for ''Beast Wars'' [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Beast Wars|Grimlock]].

:Hasbro solicitations named this toy "Live Wire Dinobot",<ref>https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.toys.transformers/C30fV9dqOK0/gPO8D3N_PAUJ</ref> but the name never made it to final packaging.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1999/Maximal/FKDinobot/fkdinobot.htm More information on Fox Kids Dinobot at TFU.info]''
{{BWDinobotMold}}
{{--}}

===''Beast Wars 10th Anniversary''===
[[File:BW10Dinobot toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|He disagrees with everything that ''T. rex'' says, but you know they're best friends.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Beast Wars 10th Anniversary, [[2006]])
**''Accessories:'' "Energo-drill" sword, spinning blade tail weapon, Transmutate left arm
{{toydesigner|[[Marcelo Matere]] (packaging artist)}}

:This release is yet another redeco of the original Dinobot toy. Though the ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]]'' line's aim was "[[show-accuracy]]", the resulting Dinobot toy confused some fans, with its dark brown base color, odd placement of blue, and, mostly, the metallic green on his bone-like decorations. Like the other ''10th Anniversary'' toys, he has a faction symbol tampoed on his body; in Dinobot's case, there's a Maximal logo on the left side of his robot chest. Like Fox Kids! Dinobot, this toy has the Energon Chip indent and shoulder ratchets that were added for ''Beast Wars'' Grimlock.

:''Beast Wars 10th Anniversary'' Dinobot came with the left arm to the "build-a-bot" figure [[Transmutate (BW)|Transmutate]], plus a DVD containing the obvious Dinobot-themed episode, "[[Code of Hero]]".

:Unfortunately, Dinobot is ''highly'' susceptible to [[Gold Plastic Syndrome]]. Just about any part of this Dinobot is made of metallic plastics that collectively hit their expiration dates around [[2013]], making him highly fragile. The neck, helmet halves, shoulder ratchets, and hip joints are usually the first to snap.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Maximal/Dinobot/dinobot.htm More information on 10th Anniversary Dinobot at TFU.info]''
{{BWDinobotMold}}
{{--}}

===''Timelines''===
[[File:Botcon2006Dinobot toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|[[Can You Dig It?|Can you dig it?]]]]
*'''Dawn of Future's Past''' (Multi-pack Deluxe, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Golden Disk Key
{{toydesigner|[[Joe Moore]] (concept artist)}}<ref>{{citesocial|quote=For Dinobot, they wanted a figure that felt like a dinosaur in both modes. Armada Hoist was a fairly easy pick. This one is probably the most dramatic change from concept to final, where they wanted a much darker look. Concept and final.|link=https://twitter.com/Joe_Toyark/status/1370241085067436035|site=Twitter|name=Joe Moore|year=2021|month=03|day=11}}</ref>

:Part of the five-toy [[BotCon 2006]] [[exclusive]] boxed set (along with [[Cheetor (BW)/toys|Cheetor]], [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys|Optimus Primal]], [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]], and [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]]), ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' "Darksyde Dinobot" is a redeco of the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Longrack (Cybertron)|Longrack]] mold, itself a [[retool]] of ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]'' [[Smokescreen (Armada)#Hoist|Hoist]]. Dinobot uses almost all of Longrack's new-mold parts save for the head; Hoist's head had originally been based on Dinobot's in the first place!<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Cybertron Scourge... is that... that's the... backhoe guy. *Mimes Hoist's arm gimmick.* Yeah, his head is very much like Dinobot, I think I did design it like that. I don't know why. But I like that look. [Could you think of him as the Unicron Trilogy's Dinobot?] Yeah you totally could. Definitely with those colors, it even has that veliciraptor color vibe that they were using back then.|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ToNlyjgeZc&t=445s|name=Aaron Archer|site=''The Toy Armada''|title=Toy Armada Friday Night LIVE - General discussion|year=2023|month=03|day=24}}</ref> He transforms into a Cybertronic excavator. Inserting a [[Cyber Key]] or [[Cyber Key|Golden Disk Key]] into his shoulder assembly unlocks a shovel-punch attack activated by pressing on the plunger mechanism above the key port. Like Longrack, he does ''not'' come with a [[Mini-Con]] partner. The color scheme is partially based on his ''10th Anniversary'' toy.

:The original version of this mold was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Ransack (Universe 2003)|Ransack]].

::*''[https://twitter.com/Joe_Toyark/status/1370241085067436035 Designer commentary on Darksyde Dinobot from Joe Moore on Twitter]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Predacon/BCDinobot/dinobot.htm More information on Darksyde Dinobot at TFU.info]''
{{--}}

===''Beast Wars Telemocha Series''===
[[File:Japanese10thDinobot.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|At last, I CAN TALK!]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Deluxe, 2006)
**''ID number:'' '''TM-05'''
**''Accessories:'' Dino Sabel, Cyber Shield

:Celebrating Japan's 10th anniversary of ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' (one year later than the West), the ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Beast Wars Telemocha]]'' version of Dinobot is yet another (and final?) redeco of the venerable tooling, including the shoulder ratcheting added to the previous Hasbro versions. While definitely more [[Show-accuracy|accurate to the CGI model]] than the Hasbro [[Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|10th Anniversary]] version from the previous year, most of its color-scheme decisions favor the robot mode, such as bronze/gold shoulder joints. The result of this is a less consistently colored beast mode than the Hasbro version. It is the first (and only) version of the mold to place deco on the "mutant mask" halves.

:Though there are some colors dropped between the transition from CGI model to toy, Telemocha Dinobot does currently hold the prize for the sheer number of paint applications used on this mold, and by a large margin. Perhaps most significant to many fans, however, is that this version of Dinobot has a mouth, if only in the form of a paint operation.

:This release of Dinobot came with a DVD containing the ''Beast Wars'' episode... "A Terrifying New Weapon!", the Japanese dub of "[[The Probe]]" and not "Code of Hero".
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Cybertron/Dinobot/dinobot.htm More information on Telemocha Dinobot at TFU.info]''
{{BWDinobotMold}}
{{--}}

===''Universe'' (2008)===
[[File:Dinobotuniversedeluxe.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Just in time for the original mold to be practically cheese by now.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Deluxe, [[2009]])
**''Series'': '''Beast Wars Series'''
**''Accessories:'' Tail/missile launcher, missile/sword
{{toydesigner|[[Bill Rawley]] (Hasbro), [[Hisashi Yuki]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Marcelo Matere]] (concept artist)}}

:''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' Dinobot transforms into a brown and amber ''Jurassic Park''-style ''Velociraptor'' with a robot mode styled heavily after the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' CGI model, including a face with a nose and mouth. His transformation has been altered to produce more human-like proportions, with his robot legs now becoming the raptor legs and the arms hiding mostly inside the torso. He also sports a fully show accurate robot head which can be raised to a 45 degree angle as well as turn. On his chest is a panel that can swap between a Maximal symbol, a Predacon symbol and a blank third panel (for the beast mode head). His [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] double opposable thumbs can be swapped out for "proper" fists. His tail still detaches and splits to become a weapon, but no longer rotates. Instead, it fires a missile shaped like his sword from the cartoon, which can be held as a sword by either the regular fist or claw hands. The tail can also clip onto his back for storage.

:Further referencing his change in allegiance, his packaging identifies him as a Predacon, while his bio treats his defection to the Maximals as a future event.

:This toy was also later [[repurposing|repurposed]] as ''Beast Wars Shattered Glass'' [[Dinobot (BWSG)|Dinobot]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Predacon/TFUDinobot/dinobot.htm More information on Universe Dinobot at TFU.info]''
{{--}}

===''Henkei! Henkei!''===
[[File:Henkei Dinobot.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Then I'll be brief! Oh, happy dagger, this is thy sheath. There rust and let me die."]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Deluxe, 2009-[[March 12|03-12]])
**''ID number:'' '''C-16'''
**''Accessories:'' Tail/missile launcher, missile/sword
{{toydesigner|[[Naoto Tsushima]] (packaging artist)}}

:The ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' release of Dinobot is in more traditional colors than the Hasbro version, decoed in brown with several tan stripes, plus blue and golden detailing. Clear red plastic replaces the clear orange found on the ''Universe'' version. Like all ''Henkei! Henkei!'' releases he features [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] parts, particularly his missile/sword.
{{--}}

===''Device Label''===
[[File:DeviceLabel-Dinobot.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Sorry, you've been replaced.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Device Label, 2009)

:Dinobot would have transformed from a working USB laser mouse into a brown and gold mechanoid raptor, but an early [[BigBadToyStore]] solicitation for him was almost immediately supplanted by a solicitation for "[[Trypticon (G1)#Device Label|Dinosaurer]]" (Trypticon), once better information was had.
{{canceledtoy}}
{{--}}

===''Masterpiece''===
[[File:TF-Masterpiece-BW-MP-41-Dinobot.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|What a piece of work is Dinobot! How noble in reason! How infinite in... currency.]]
* '''Dinobot (Beast Wars)''' ([[2018]]-[[July 28|07-28]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-41'''
**''Accessories:'' [[Cyber-slash tail weapon|Cyber Shield]], Dino Sabel, 4 robot faces, beam effect, [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]], disk stand, disk adapter, base adapter (beast mode), base adapter (robot mode), base A, base B, base arm
{{toydesigner|[[Yuki Ohshima]] (concept artist)}}

: ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' Dinobot transforms from a show-accurate ''Velociraptor'' to a show-accurate robot. It scales correctly with the other ''Masterpiece Beast Wars'' figures. Unlike Primal or Cheetor, Dinobot features printed details and a coat of chip-resistant paint, making him a lot more durable.

: Dinobot also comes with many accessories: first, his two trademark weapons—his tail weapon with working spinning gimmick and the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]]. The Disk is fully detailed, complete with the "The Sounds of Earth" label sculpted on it. Dinobot also comes with 4 different faces for the robot (serious, smirking, smiling and growling); the latter one has clear eyes that can glow via an LED inside his head; a switch will allow the eyes to light up both in red and green. To complement the latter option, the figure also comes with an extra piece that represents Dinobot's eye beams. The light-up feature is fueled by two LR44 batteries (not included). The raptor head can also emote, but needs no extra pieces: a panel on top of the head can be flipped to replace the regular eyes with a second, narrower pair. A final accessory, a stand is formed by a 2-piece base that can be united in multiple directions, the regular arm and 3 extra attachments: one is to hook the Golden Disk onto the base, one is for Dinobot's robot mode and the last one is a cradle to place Dinobot's raptor mode on the stand. Much like the new ''Masterpiece Movie Series'' figures, Dinobot's robot mode mouth can open and close.

: Due to a [[design flaw]] on the initial release, moving Dinobot's robot shoulders through their normal outward range of motion carries a risk of breaking off a small ridge inside the ratchet joint due to an overly strong spring. Lubricating the joints with grease or dish soap can prevent the issue, and it was rectified on later releases with a weaker spring and slightly thicker ridge within the ratchet.

: Some Dinobot figures drain the battery power unusually fast, with some owners reporting that batteries died less than two days after installation and with minimal use.
{{--}}

===''War for Cybertron: Kingdom''===
[[File:WFC-Kingdom Voyager Dinobot.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Rattrap's "Dino-Butt" insult seems to have taken on a new meaning 25 years later.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Voyager Class, [[2021]])
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''WFC-K16'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''KD-08'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': [[June 26]], 2021
**''Accessories'': "[[Cyber-slash tail weapon#Generations|Cyber slash tail weapon]]"<ref>[https://hasbropulse.com/products/transformers-generations-war-for-cybertron-kingdom-voyager-wfc-k18-dinobot "Tail detaches from raptor mode during conversion and becomes his Cyber Slash tail weapon and sword accessories."]</ref>, sword, Golden Disk card
{{toydesigner|[[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Ken Christiansen]] (concept artist)}}

:Released to commemorate the 25th anniversary of ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'', ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom]]'' Dinobot is a Voyager Class-sized mold that transforms from a cartoon-accurate robot into a ''[[Jurassic Park]]''-accurate ''Velociraptor'' in 28 steps. His hands have a [[5 mm post|5 mm port]] that can hold both his weapons and can close to hold objects (for example: the Golden Disks associated with the [[Ark (G1)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Titan Class Ark]]). He also has 5mm ports under his heels and one under his back-[[kibble]]. His tail can detach and split into two components: his Cyber Slash tail weapon, and his signature sword. The sword's tip is molded with the same texture as Dinobot's skin, presumably to better blend in as the tail tip in beast mode. Due to the Cyber Slash weapon connection, the sword cannot be held by other Transformers toys with traditional 5mm port hands. The Cyber Slash weapon can store in robot mode by attaching to the same port as beast mode. Much like most of the toyline, Dinobot comes with one of four possible holographic [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]] cards for his wave, which reveals a [[Source:Golden Disk destinies|possible destiny]] of a key character, Dinobot being one of them. Dinobot's packaging labels him as a Predacon instead of a Maximal, though the toy itself has no faction symbols.

:The toy was announced using photos of the actual toy with no alterations, while his packaging's [[:File:Kingdomtoy-Dinobotpackaging.jpg|stock renders]] feature some different colors and are missing some transformation seamlines.

:Unfortunately, the [[Unpaintable plastic|nylon plastic]] used to mold Dinobot's forearms has been reported to [[Photodegradation|yellow]] over time, giving them a green-ish tint.

:Dinobot was later retooled as ''Kingdom'' [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Maximal Grimlock]].
{{--}}

===''Buzzworthy Bumblebee''===
[[File:TF-Legacy-Buzzworthy-Bumblebee-Dinobot.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|And I say, "Dinobot, you are ''bad guy'', but this does not mean you are bad ''guy''."]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m1|'''Heroic Maximal Dinobot''' (Voyager Class, [[2022]])}}</ul>
:*''Series'': ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]''
:*''Accessories'': Cyber-slash tail weapon, sword

: Part of the cross-franchise ''[[Buzzworthy Bumblebee]]'' subline, "Heroic Maximal Dinobot" is a [[:File:BW-toy Dinobot.jpg|1996 toy-inspired]] redeco of the above ''Kingdom'' figure with [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Maximal Grimlock]]'s head sculpt.

: Like the above Kingdom figure, the nylon plastic used for various parts of Dinobot's body is prone to rapid yellowing, including while still in [[mint in sealed box|unopened packages]]. Despite the "Heroic Maximal" prefix, his instruction manual has a Predacon symbol before his name.

: As with other figures in its line, Heroic Maximal Dinobot was exclusive to [[Target]] in the United States.
{{-}}

===''Legacy''===
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-multi|'''Dinobot''' (Titan Master, <s>2024</s>)}}</ul>
:A listing for a Core Class version of Dinobot was solicited for ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy United]]''.<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/2025-generations-listings-united-wave-5-age-of-the-primes.1259609/]</ref> This figure got as far as being tooled, but due to the cancellation of the Core size class, plans to release during Legacy fell through.<ref>[https://tfwikicommunity.wordpress.com/2025/10/29/a-stampede-of-hooves-and-tires-my-saturday-with-the-hasbro-team-mcm-comic-con-25/ TFWiki community interview with Evan, 'Unreleased toys' section].</ref>
{{canceledtoy}}

{{-}}

===''Beast Wars Again''===
[[File:TF-BW-Again-JP-BWVS-06-Dinobot.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|]]
*'''Gyakushin no Taiketsu''' ([[January 27]], [[2024]])
**''ID number'': '''BWVS-06'''
**''Accessories'': [[Cyber-slash tail weapon#Beast Wars Again|Cyber slash tail weapon]], sword
{{toydesigner|[[Hisashi Yuki]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Hidetsugu Yoshioka]] (packaging artist)}}

:Released as part of the ''[[Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers Again|Beast Wars Again]]'' line, the "Treacherous Showdown" (逆心の対決) set contains Dinobot and and [[Tarantulas (BW)/toys#Beast Wars Again|Tarans]]. Dinobot is a redeco of [[#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|''Kingdom'' Dinobot]] in more cartoon-accurate colors. He comes with an unpainted [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|''Voyager'' Golden Disk]] reused from the ''Masterpiece'' release.
{{--}}

==Merchandise==
===''Beast Wars'' puzzle===
*'''Beast Wars Transformers 200 piece puzzle''' (puzzle, 1996)

:A [[Beast Wars Transformers Jigsaw Puzzle|200-piece puzzle]] from [[Milton Bradley]] featured art of Dinobot and [[Razorbeast]] fighting [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] and [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]]. It was very chrome-foil-y! [http://tfmuseum.com/tf-00081.html]
{{--}}

===Kabaya===
[[File:BWmerch-KabayaDinobotkit.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|Hope you like putting stickers over molded detail!]]
*'''Dinobot''' (candy toy model kit, 1997)

:Part of the second wave of [[Kabaya]] model kits (which included Cheetor, Rattrap, and Terrorsaur), Dinobot is a peg-together model kit. The parts come on pink and yellow sprues, plus there are stickers, instructions for assembly, and a stick of terrible gum. Transformation involves removing the tail, robot legs, and robot arms, and pegging them elsewhere as needed.
{{-}}

[[File:BWmerch-KabayaDinobotfigurine.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Eat it, other [[Transformers Hall of Fame|Hall of Fame]] nominees! But don't eat the candy. Or raw chicken.]]

*'''Dinobot''' (candy toy, 1997)
:A tiny plastic Dinobot figurine molded onto an irregularly-shaped stand was released by Kabaya. Labeled toy 6 of 6, the other characters in his wave were Cheetor, Rattrap, Megatron, Optimus Primal, and Rhinox. They were also available in smokey translucent plastic? [http://tfmuseum.com/tf-01805.html] As always, terrible candy is included.
{{-}}

*'''Dinobot''' (candy toy, 1997)
:A tiny superdeformed Dinobot was also available from Kabaya. It's way too adorable. [http://tfmuseum.com/tf-00714.html]
{{--}}

===''Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game''===
[[File:Dinobotmutatingcard.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game''' (1997)

:Dinobot was one of the 24 beast warriors to receive a battle card representation for the Beast Wars [[Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game|card game]].
{{--}}

===First 4 Figures===
[[File:BWDinobot minibust.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Legs are for the weak.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (<s>2006</s> unreleased)
{{toydesigner|[[Ryan Bailey]] (sculptor){{fact}}}}

:First revealed in 2006 at both the UK<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2006/01/25/first4figures-beast-wars-and-transformers-vs-g-i-joe-statuesbusts-4267 "First4Figures Beast Wars and Transformers VS. G.I. Joe Statues/Busts"] at TFW2005.com</ref> and New York [[Toy Fair]]s,<ref>[https://tformers.com/transformers-/5568/news.html "Toy Fair 2006 - First4Figures TF & GI Joe Statues& Busts"] at tformers.com</ref> this was to be a 7-inch tall resin bust of Dinobot released as part of a ''Beast Wars'' tenth anniversary series by model company [[First 4 Figures]]. Dinobot is depicted from waist upwards and mounted on a Maximal-themed pedestal, and is sculpted to be accurate to his ''Beast Wars'' cartoon design, including his sword.

:Mini busts in the planned ''Beast Wars'' line were designed to reflect the scale of the characters as seen in the cartoon, and each was set to be limited to 1,996 pieces, in a nod to the franchise's year of origin.<ref name=ASM>[https://web.archive.org/web/20070806062058/http://toyfair06.asmzine.com/first4figures/report.html "First4Figures Limited Transformers Statues and Busts Info!"] at ASMzine.com (archived)</ref> Dinobot was among the first intended to be released (likely the second, given the presence of finalised stock images but absence of a full product listing) in July 2006, though after a series of delays, he and the rest of the ''Beast Wars'' bust line were cancelled, with First 4 Figures citing a challenging marketplace and lack of retailer interest.
{{canceledtoy}}
{{--}}

===Prime 1 Studio===
[[File:Prime 1 Studio Premium Masterline Beast Wars Megatron.jpg|upright=1.11|thumb|]]
*'''Megatron''' (2017)
**''ID Number'': '''PMTFBW-02''' / '''02EX''' (exclusive)

:[[Prime 1 Studio]] ''Premium Masterline'' [[Megatron (BW)/toys#Prime 1 Studio|Megatron]] is a highly detailed statue of Megatron's robot mode posing over the bits of a destroyed Dinobot.
{{--}}

===''ReAction''===
*'''Dinobot''' (2023)
**''Accessories'': Sword, cyber-slash tail weapon

: Released in the seventh wave of [[Super7]]'s line of multi-property 3.75-inch "retro" action figures, ''[[Super7#ReAction|ReAction]]'' Dinobot is a non-converting figure based on his [[Mainframe]] [[character model]], with 5 points of articulation (swivel neck, shoulders, hips).

: Dinobot comes packaged on a small cardback that mixes the design of the original ''Beast Wars'' packaging with some nostalgic elements resembling [[Kenner]]'s ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' action figures from the late 1970s to early '80s.
{{--}}

==Notes==
*Dinobot's original toy was designed to supplant a failed lion Transformer counterpart to Cheetor that ended up being, understandably, too similar to Cheetor. A dinosaur's entry into the Maximals was justified by pointing out that the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] had been good guys in Generation 1.<ref>[http://obscuretf.com/hhk/BC04interviews.html Botcon 2004 Interview with Vinnie D'Alleva], p1-2</ref>
[[File:Dinobottoycommercial.jpg|thumb|An abandoned deco?]]
*In the first ''Beast Wars'' toy commercials, Dinobot had a slightly different deco than the final toy. He was browner, rather than pinker, and had thicker stripes.
*Some fans are inclined to yank off Dinobot's mutant mask pieces, since he doesn't have them on the television show, they get in the way during transformation, and they're easily removable. Ten years later, Hasbro thought so, too, in their stock photography for ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]]'' Dinobot.
*Unlike many pairs of ''Beast Wars'' redecoes, Dinobot and Grimlock were both drawn with the same regular head in their Hasbro packaging art, rather than one having the mutant mask on for a distinctive contrast.
*An actual (i.e. non-McDonald's affiliated) Transmetal Dinobot apparently made it to concept art stages, but not much further. Several elements of the design were recycled for Transmetal [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]].
*Dinobot's toy curiously has six toes on each foot. Since his legs form his [[robot mode]] arms, not only does this mean he's left with two thumbs, but also a tiny, barely noticeable finger molded near his wrist. The double thumbs got carried over onto his animation model, yet his in-show beast mode appears to only have three toes. Between all this, it has to be said that real-life raptors had no more than four toes on each of their feet.
{{--}}

==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:BWRConcept04.jpg|''Beast Wars'' Dinobot control art
File:TMDinobotConcept.jpg|Transmetal Dinobot concept art
</gallery>

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]]
[[Category:Beast Wars Again]]
[[Category:Beast Wars Maximals]]
[[Category:Beast Wars Telemocha Series]]
[[Category:BotCon exclusives]]
[[Category:Henkei! Henkei! Autobots]]
[[Category:Kre-O Autobots]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:Legacy Maximals]]
[[Category:Masterpiece]]
[[Category:McDonald's exclusives]]
[[Category:Target exclusives]]
[[Category:Timelines characters]]
[[Category:Toys"R"Us exclusives]]
[[Category:Transmetals]]
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron: Kingdom Predacons]]

Dinobot (BW)/toys

2025-11-01T23:27:26Z

Poliwag06: /* Legacy */

{{suite}}
[[File:Kingdom Golden Disk Dinobot becomes a masimal.jpg|upright=1.5|thumb|]]

All '''Dinobot''' toys have honor!

==Toys==
===''Beast Wars''===
{{twoimages|File:BW-toy Dinobot.jpg|File:BW-toy DinobotTakara97.jpg|w1=300|w2=300|caption=Left: Wasn't he in [[Jurassic Park|''Jurassic Park'']]? (Hasbro version) Right: Let's hide the legs in beast mode by making them bright translucent orange! (Second Takara version)}}
*'''Dinobot''' (Deluxe Class, [[1996]])
**''Takara ID number:'' '''C-4'''
**''Takara release date:'' July [[1997]]
**''Accessories:'' "[[Cyber-slash tail weapon]]", sword
{{toydesigner|[[Takio Ejima]] (TakaraTomy), [[Masakatsu Saito]] (concept artist)}}

:Part of the first wave of ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' product, Dinobot transforms into what his bio claims is a "vicious ''[[Popular beast alternate modes|Velociraptor]]''". His tail detaches and separates to form a gear-powered, spinning blade "cyber-slash tail weapon", while the central "tail bone" separates to be used as a sword. The entire assembly can store in [[robot mode]] by flipping down the tail-mount and pegging the blade's base to the peg on his lower back. Like all early Deluxe-and-up ''Beast Wars'' toys, he has a "mutant mask", halves of a dino-skull that flip up to cover his more robotic head. Thankfully these pieces are not pinned in, and can be easily removed for better clearance and show-accuracy.

:The original Dinobots shipped on cards with "rocky"-shaped bubbles. Later (and more numerous) assortments moved to a smooth, rounded bubble, leading the first packaging type to become sought-after collectibles on the secondary market. The second packaging variant also saw a slight difference in the toy's tooling, leaving a blank square cut out of his abdomen mold for a [[rubsign]] in preparation for [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Beast Wars|his 1997 redeco]].

:Takara's initial release of the toy was identical to the [[Hasbro]] version (save packaging, of course). In January 1998, Takara [[redeco]]ed many of the ''Beast Wars'' toys and re-released them in slightly more show-like tones; Dinobot's distressingly pinkish skin was changed to tan, his orange robot eyes became red, his flat blue face became metallic blue, his orange dinosaur eyes became white, and his helmet was painted in metallic gold. This version also features the blank square for a rubsign.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/Dinobot/dinobot.htm More information on Dinobot at TFU.info]''
{{BWDinobotMold}}

{{-}}{{anchor|BJs2pack}}
[[File:BJ's-Wholesale-Club-Dinobot-and-Tigatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Deluxe Beast Assortment (Dinobot and Tigatron)''' (two-pack, 1996)
**''Accessories:'' "Cyber-slash tail weapon", sword

:Sold exclusively at [[BJ's Wholesale Club]], Dinobot was released alongside [[Tigatron]] in a two-pack card.

:Both toys are identical to their individual releases.

::*''[https://www.shmax.com/product_details/9280/dinobot_and_tigatron_deluxe_beast_assortment_two_pack More infromation on Shmax.com]''

{{-}}{{anchor|VS4}}{{anchor|VSpack}}
[[File:VS4-DinobotTarantuas.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I prefer to package my toys the old-fashioned way... BRUTALLY!!!]]
*'''Kyōbō no Taiketsu: Dinobot VS Tarans''' (VS pack, 1997)
**''ID number:'' '''VS-4'''
**''Accessories:'' "[[Cyber-slash tail weapon]]", sword

:In Japan, Dinobot was available both as an individual and in a "Ferocious Showdown" (凶暴の対決 ''Kyōbō no Taiketsu'') two-pack with "[[Tarantulas (BW)/toys#VS4|Tarans]]". Both toys in this set were identical to their individual, nigh-identical-to-the-Hasbro-versions releases.

:Both the original toy and Takara's later "more show-like" redeco of Dinobot was released via this VS set.<ref>[https://twitter.com/tfwiki/status/1418228061464678400 Dinobot and Tarans VS pack comparison.]</ref>

{{-}}{{anchor|gold}}
*'''Gold Dinobot''' (Multi-pack "Lucky Draw", [[1998]])
**''Accessories:'' "[[Cyber-slash tail weapon]]", sword

: In 1998, ''[[TV Magazine]]'' offered a gold chrome Dinobot as a prize. Where he was part of a set of other gold ''Beast Wars'' toys of the 5 main Maximals characters.
::*''[https://www.soundwavesoblivion.com/japanesebeastwars.html More information at Soundwaves Oblivion]''

{{-}}{{anchor|MCDTM}}{{anchor|Transmetal}}
[[File:Mcdinobot.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Transforms from ''Velociraptor'' to wolfman.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Happy Meal Transmetal, 1998)
**''McNumber'': '''6'''

:Part of the second [[McDonald's]] ''Beast Wars'' Happy Meal promotion, [[Transmetal]] Dinobot transforms into a robotic ''Velociraptor''. To tie in with the chrome plastic [[gimmick]] of the retail Transmetal toys, parts of his [[beast mode]] are cast in glittery metallic plastic. Like the other McDonald's toys from this assortment, he shares nothing in common with his previous body other than [[alternate mode]] choice.

:This toy was later [[repurposing|repurposed]] by [[IDW Publishing|IDW]]'s ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook|Beast Wars Sourcebook]]'' to represent an [[Dinobot (Transmetal)|initial prototype]] of Dinobot's evil clone, [[Dinobot II]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Maximal/Dinobot/dinobot.htm More information on Transmetal Dinobot at TFU.info]''

{{-}}{{anchor|FK}}{{anchor|FoxKids}}
[[File:FK-Dinobot-toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Eww...perhaps using the power sander to buff his scales wasn't a good idea.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Fox Kids Deluxe, [[1999]])
**''Accessories:'' "[[Cyber-slash tail weapon]]", sword

:Part of the first wave of "[[Fox Kids]]" redecoes (so called because of the callout on the package to the Fox Kids programming block where the cartoon had recently moved), this version of Dinobot is more dark brown than the original, with red stripes instead of the original's brown, with a red robot mode face and green eyes. This toy uses the [[retool]]ed mold with the shoulder ratchets and the (unused) "[[rubsign|energon chip]]" space that were created for ''Beast Wars'' [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Beast Wars|Grimlock]].

:Hasbro solicitations named this toy "Live Wire Dinobot",<ref>https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.toys.transformers/C30fV9dqOK0/gPO8D3N_PAUJ</ref> but the name never made it to final packaging.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1999/Maximal/FKDinobot/fkdinobot.htm More information on Fox Kids Dinobot at TFU.info]''
{{BWDinobotMold}}
{{--}}

===''Beast Wars 10th Anniversary''===
[[File:BW10Dinobot toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|He disagrees with everything that ''T. rex'' says, but you know they're best friends.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Beast Wars 10th Anniversary, [[2006]])
**''Accessories:'' "Energo-drill" sword, spinning blade tail weapon, Transmutate left arm
{{toydesigner|[[Marcelo Matere]] (packaging artist)}}

:This release is yet another redeco of the original Dinobot toy. Though the ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]]'' line's aim was "[[show-accuracy]]", the resulting Dinobot toy confused some fans, with its dark brown base color, odd placement of blue, and, mostly, the metallic green on his bone-like decorations. Like the other ''10th Anniversary'' toys, he has a faction symbol tampoed on his body; in Dinobot's case, there's a Maximal logo on the left side of his robot chest. Like Fox Kids! Dinobot, this toy has the Energon Chip indent and shoulder ratchets that were added for ''Beast Wars'' Grimlock.

:''Beast Wars 10th Anniversary'' Dinobot came with the left arm to the "build-a-bot" figure [[Transmutate (BW)|Transmutate]], plus a DVD containing the obvious Dinobot-themed episode, "[[Code of Hero]]".

:Unfortunately, Dinobot is ''highly'' susceptible to [[Gold Plastic Syndrome]]. Just about any part of this Dinobot is made of metallic plastics that collectively hit their expiration dates around [[2013]], making him highly fragile. The neck, helmet halves, shoulder ratchets, and hip joints are usually the first to snap.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Maximal/Dinobot/dinobot.htm More information on 10th Anniversary Dinobot at TFU.info]''
{{BWDinobotMold}}
{{--}}

===''Timelines''===
[[File:Botcon2006Dinobot toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|[[Can You Dig It?|Can you dig it?]]]]
*'''Dawn of Future's Past''' (Multi-pack Deluxe, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Golden Disk Key
{{toydesigner|[[Joe Moore]] (concept artist)}}<ref>{{citesocial|quote=For Dinobot, they wanted a figure that felt like a dinosaur in both modes. Armada Hoist was a fairly easy pick. This one is probably the most dramatic change from concept to final, where they wanted a much darker look. Concept and final.|link=https://twitter.com/Joe_Toyark/status/1370241085067436035|site=Twitter|name=Joe Moore|year=2021|month=03|day=11}}</ref>

:Part of the five-toy [[BotCon 2006]] [[exclusive]] boxed set (along with [[Cheetor (BW)/toys|Cheetor]], [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys|Optimus Primal]], [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]], and [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]]), ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' "Darksyde Dinobot" is a redeco of the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Longrack (Cybertron)|Longrack]] mold, itself a [[retool]] of ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]'' [[Smokescreen (Armada)#Hoist|Hoist]]. Dinobot uses almost all of Longrack's new-mold parts save for the head; Hoist's head had originally been based on Dinobot's in the first place!<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Cybertron Scourge... is that... that's the... backhoe guy. *Mimes Hoist's arm gimmick.* Yeah, his head is very much like Dinobot, I think I did design it like that. I don't know why. But I like that look. [Could you think of him as the Unicron Trilogy's Dinobot?] Yeah you totally could. Definitely with those colors, it even has that veliciraptor color vibe that they were using back then.|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ToNlyjgeZc&t=445s|name=Aaron Archer|site=''The Toy Armada''|title=Toy Armada Friday Night LIVE - General discussion|year=2023|month=03|day=24}}</ref> He transforms into a Cybertronic excavator. Inserting a [[Cyber Key]] or [[Cyber Key|Golden Disk Key]] into his shoulder assembly unlocks a shovel-punch attack activated by pressing on the plunger mechanism above the key port. Like Longrack, he does ''not'' come with a [[Mini-Con]] partner. The color scheme is partially based on his ''10th Anniversary'' toy.

:The original version of this mold was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Ransack (Universe 2003)|Ransack]].

::*''[https://twitter.com/Joe_Toyark/status/1370241085067436035 Designer commentary on Darksyde Dinobot from Joe Moore on Twitter]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Predacon/BCDinobot/dinobot.htm More information on Darksyde Dinobot at TFU.info]''
{{--}}

===''Beast Wars Telemocha Series''===
[[File:Japanese10thDinobot.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|At last, I CAN TALK!]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Deluxe, 2006)
**''ID number:'' '''TM-05'''
**''Accessories:'' Dino Sabel, Cyber Shield

:Celebrating Japan's 10th anniversary of ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' (one year later than the West), the ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Beast Wars Telemocha]]'' version of Dinobot is yet another (and final?) redeco of the venerable tooling, including the shoulder ratcheting added to the previous Hasbro versions. While definitely more [[Show-accuracy|accurate to the CGI model]] than the Hasbro [[Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|10th Anniversary]] version from the previous year, most of its color-scheme decisions favor the robot mode, such as bronze/gold shoulder joints. The result of this is a less consistently colored beast mode than the Hasbro version. It is the first (and only) version of the mold to place deco on the "mutant mask" halves.

:Though there are some colors dropped between the transition from CGI model to toy, Telemocha Dinobot does currently hold the prize for the sheer number of paint applications used on this mold, and by a large margin. Perhaps most significant to many fans, however, is that this version of Dinobot has a mouth, if only in the form of a paint operation.

:This release of Dinobot came with a DVD containing the ''Beast Wars'' episode... "A Terrifying New Weapon!", the Japanese dub of "[[The Probe]]" and not "Code of Hero".
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Cybertron/Dinobot/dinobot.htm More information on Telemocha Dinobot at TFU.info]''
{{BWDinobotMold}}
{{--}}

===''Universe'' (2008)===
[[File:Dinobotuniversedeluxe.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Just in time for the original mold to be practically cheese by now.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Deluxe, [[2009]])
**''Series'': '''Beast Wars Series'''
**''Accessories:'' Tail/missile launcher, missile/sword
{{toydesigner|[[Bill Rawley]] (Hasbro), [[Hisashi Yuki]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Marcelo Matere]] (concept artist)}}

:''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' Dinobot transforms into a brown and amber ''Jurassic Park''-style ''Velociraptor'' with a robot mode styled heavily after the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' CGI model, including a face with a nose and mouth. His transformation has been altered to produce more human-like proportions, with his robot legs now becoming the raptor legs and the arms hiding mostly inside the torso. He also sports a fully show accurate robot head which can be raised to a 45 degree angle as well as turn. On his chest is a panel that can swap between a Maximal symbol, a Predacon symbol and a blank third panel (for the beast mode head). His [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] double opposable thumbs can be swapped out for "proper" fists. His tail still detaches and splits to become a weapon, but no longer rotates. Instead, it fires a missile shaped like his sword from the cartoon, which can be held as a sword by either the regular fist or claw hands. The tail can also clip onto his back for storage.

:Further referencing his change in allegiance, his packaging identifies him as a Predacon, while his bio treats his defection to the Maximals as a future event.

:This toy was also later [[repurposing|repurposed]] as ''Beast Wars Shattered Glass'' [[Dinobot (BWSG)|Dinobot]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Predacon/TFUDinobot/dinobot.htm More information on Universe Dinobot at TFU.info]''
{{--}}

===''Henkei! Henkei!''===
[[File:Henkei Dinobot.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Then I'll be brief! Oh, happy dagger, this is thy sheath. There rust and let me die."]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Deluxe, 2009-[[March 12|03-12]])
**''ID number:'' '''C-16'''
**''Accessories:'' Tail/missile launcher, missile/sword
{{toydesigner|[[Naoto Tsushima]] (packaging artist)}}

:The ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' release of Dinobot is in more traditional colors than the Hasbro version, decoed in brown with several tan stripes, plus blue and golden detailing. Clear red plastic replaces the clear orange found on the ''Universe'' version. Like all ''Henkei! Henkei!'' releases he features [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] parts, particularly his missile/sword.
{{--}}

===''Device Label''===
[[File:DeviceLabel-Dinobot.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Sorry, you've been replaced.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Device Label, 2009)

:Dinobot would have transformed from a working USB laser mouse into a brown and gold mechanoid raptor, but an early [[BigBadToyStore]] solicitation for him was almost immediately supplanted by a solicitation for "[[Trypticon (G1)#Device Label|Dinosaurer]]" (Trypticon), once better information was had.
{{canceledtoy}}
{{--}}

===''Masterpiece''===
[[File:TF-Masterpiece-BW-MP-41-Dinobot.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|What a piece of work is Dinobot! How noble in reason! How infinite in... currency.]]
* '''Dinobot (Beast Wars)''' ([[2018]]-[[July 28|07-28]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-41'''
**''Accessories:'' [[Cyber-slash tail weapon|Cyber Shield]], Dino Sabel, 4 robot faces, beam effect, [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]], disk stand, disk adapter, base adapter (beast mode), base adapter (robot mode), base A, base B, base arm
{{toydesigner|[[Yuki Ohshima]] (concept artist)}}

: ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' Dinobot transforms from a show-accurate ''Velociraptor'' to a show-accurate robot. It scales correctly with the other ''Masterpiece Beast Wars'' figures. Unlike Primal or Cheetor, Dinobot features printed details and a coat of chip-resistant paint, making him a lot more durable.

: Dinobot also comes with many accessories: first, his two trademark weapons—his tail weapon with working spinning gimmick and the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]]. The Disk is fully detailed, complete with the "The Sounds of Earth" label sculpted on it. Dinobot also comes with 4 different faces for the robot (serious, smirking, smiling and growling); the latter one has clear eyes that can glow via an LED inside his head; a switch will allow the eyes to light up both in red and green. To complement the latter option, the figure also comes with an extra piece that represents Dinobot's eye beams. The light-up feature is fueled by two LR44 batteries (not included). The raptor head can also emote, but needs no extra pieces: a panel on top of the head can be flipped to replace the regular eyes with a second, narrower pair. A final accessory, a stand is formed by a 2-piece base that can be united in multiple directions, the regular arm and 3 extra attachments: one is to hook the Golden Disk onto the base, one is for Dinobot's robot mode and the last one is a cradle to place Dinobot's raptor mode on the stand. Much like the new ''Masterpiece Movie Series'' figures, Dinobot's robot mode mouth can open and close.

: Due to a [[design flaw]] on the initial release, moving Dinobot's robot shoulders through their normal outward range of motion carries a risk of breaking off a small ridge inside the ratchet joint due to an overly strong spring. Lubricating the joints with grease or dish soap can prevent the issue, and it was rectified on later releases with a weaker spring and slightly thicker ridge within the ratchet.

: Some Dinobot figures drain the battery power unusually fast, with some owners reporting that batteries died less than two days after installation and with minimal use.
{{--}}

===''War for Cybertron: Kingdom''===
[[File:WFC-Kingdom Voyager Dinobot.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Rattrap's "Dino-Butt" insult seems to have taken on a new meaning 25 years later.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Voyager Class, [[2021]])
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''WFC-K16'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''KD-08'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': [[June 26]], 2021
**''Accessories'': "[[Cyber-slash tail weapon#Generations|Cyber slash tail weapon]]"<ref>[https://hasbropulse.com/products/transformers-generations-war-for-cybertron-kingdom-voyager-wfc-k18-dinobot "Tail detaches from raptor mode during conversion and becomes his Cyber Slash tail weapon and sword accessories."]</ref>, sword, Golden Disk card
{{toydesigner|[[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Ken Christiansen]] (concept artist)}}

:Released to commemorate the 25th anniversary of ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'', ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom]]'' Dinobot is a Voyager Class-sized mold that transforms from a cartoon-accurate robot into a ''[[Jurassic Park]]''-accurate ''Velociraptor'' in 28 steps. His hands have a [[5 mm post|5 mm port]] that can hold both his weapons and can close to hold objects (for example: the Golden Disks associated with the [[Ark (G1)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Titan Class Ark]]). He also has 5mm ports under his heels and one under his back-[[kibble]]. His tail can detach and split into two components: his Cyber Slash tail weapon, and his signature sword. The sword's tip is molded with the same texture as Dinobot's skin, presumably to better blend in as the tail tip in beast mode. Due to the Cyber Slash weapon connection, the sword cannot be held by other Transformers toys with traditional 5mm port hands. The Cyber Slash weapon can store in robot mode by attaching to the same port as beast mode. Much like most of the toyline, Dinobot comes with one of four possible holographic [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]] cards for his wave, which reveals a [[Source:Golden Disk destinies|possible destiny]] of a key character, Dinobot being one of them. Dinobot's packaging labels him as a Predacon instead of a Maximal, though the toy itself has no faction symbols.

:The toy was announced using photos of the actual toy with no alterations, while his packaging's [[:File:Kingdomtoy-Dinobotpackaging.jpg|stock renders]] feature some different colors and are missing some transformation seamlines.

:Unfortunately, the [[Unpaintable plastic|nylon plastic]] used to mold Dinobot's forearms has been reported to [[Photodegradation|yellow]] over time, giving them a green-ish tint.

:Dinobot was later retooled as ''Kingdom'' [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Maximal Grimlock]].
{{--}}

===''Buzzworthy Bumblebee''===
[[File:TF-Legacy-Buzzworthy-Bumblebee-Dinobot.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|And I say, "Dinobot, you are ''bad guy'', but this does not mean you are bad ''guy''."]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m1|'''Heroic Maximal Dinobot''' (Voyager Class, [[2022]])}}</ul>
:*''Series'': ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]''
:*''Accessories'': Cyber-slash tail weapon, sword

: Part of the cross-franchise ''[[Buzzworthy Bumblebee]]'' subline, "Heroic Maximal Dinobot" is a [[:File:BW-toy Dinobot.jpg|1996 toy-inspired]] redeco of the above ''Kingdom'' figure with [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Maximal Grimlock]]'s head sculpt.

: Like the above Kingdom figure, the nylon plastic used for various parts of Dinobot's body is prone to rapid yellowing, including while still in [[mint in sealed box|unopened packages]]. Despite the "Heroic Maximal" prefix, his instruction manual has a Predacon symbol before his name.

: As with other figures in its line, Heroic Maximal Dinobot was exclusive to [[Target]] in the United States.
{{-}}

===''Legacy''===
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-multi|'''Dinobot''' (Titan Master, <s>2024</s>)}}</ul>
:A listing for a Core Class version of Dinobot was solicited for ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy United]]''.<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/2025-generations-listings-united-wave-5-age-of-the-primes.1259609/]</ref> This figure got as far as being tooled, but due to the cancellation of the Core size class, plans to release during Legacy fell through.<ref>[https://tfwikicommunity.wordpress.com/2025/10/29/a-stampede-of-hooves-and-tires-my-saturday-with-the-hasbro-team-mcm-comic-con-25/ TFWiki community interview with Evan, 'Unreleased toys' section].</ref>
{{canceldtoy}}

{{-}}

===''Beast Wars Again''===
[[File:TF-BW-Again-JP-BWVS-06-Dinobot.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|]]
*'''Gyakushin no Taiketsu''' ([[January 27]], [[2024]])
**''ID number'': '''BWVS-06'''
**''Accessories'': [[Cyber-slash tail weapon#Beast Wars Again|Cyber slash tail weapon]], sword
{{toydesigner|[[Hisashi Yuki]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Hidetsugu Yoshioka]] (packaging artist)}}

:Released as part of the ''[[Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers Again|Beast Wars Again]]'' line, the "Treacherous Showdown" (逆心の対決) set contains Dinobot and and [[Tarantulas (BW)/toys#Beast Wars Again|Tarans]]. Dinobot is a redeco of [[#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|''Kingdom'' Dinobot]] in more cartoon-accurate colors. He comes with an unpainted [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|''Voyager'' Golden Disk]] reused from the ''Masterpiece'' release.
{{--}}

==Merchandise==
===''Beast Wars'' puzzle===
*'''Beast Wars Transformers 200 piece puzzle''' (puzzle, 1996)

:A [[Beast Wars Transformers Jigsaw Puzzle|200-piece puzzle]] from [[Milton Bradley]] featured art of Dinobot and [[Razorbeast]] fighting [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] and [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]]. It was very chrome-foil-y! [http://tfmuseum.com/tf-00081.html]
{{--}}

===Kabaya===
[[File:BWmerch-KabayaDinobotkit.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|Hope you like putting stickers over molded detail!]]
*'''Dinobot''' (candy toy model kit, 1997)

:Part of the second wave of [[Kabaya]] model kits (which included Cheetor, Rattrap, and Terrorsaur), Dinobot is a peg-together model kit. The parts come on pink and yellow sprues, plus there are stickers, instructions for assembly, and a stick of terrible gum. Transformation involves removing the tail, robot legs, and robot arms, and pegging them elsewhere as needed.
{{-}}

[[File:BWmerch-KabayaDinobotfigurine.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Eat it, other [[Transformers Hall of Fame|Hall of Fame]] nominees! But don't eat the candy. Or raw chicken.]]

*'''Dinobot''' (candy toy, 1997)
:A tiny plastic Dinobot figurine molded onto an irregularly-shaped stand was released by Kabaya. Labeled toy 6 of 6, the other characters in his wave were Cheetor, Rattrap, Megatron, Optimus Primal, and Rhinox. They were also available in smokey translucent plastic? [http://tfmuseum.com/tf-01805.html] As always, terrible candy is included.
{{-}}

*'''Dinobot''' (candy toy, 1997)
:A tiny superdeformed Dinobot was also available from Kabaya. It's way too adorable. [http://tfmuseum.com/tf-00714.html]
{{--}}

===''Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game''===
[[File:Dinobotmutatingcard.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game''' (1997)

:Dinobot was one of the 24 beast warriors to receive a battle card representation for the Beast Wars [[Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game|card game]].
{{--}}

===First 4 Figures===
[[File:BWDinobot minibust.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Legs are for the weak.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (<s>2006</s> unreleased)
{{toydesigner|[[Ryan Bailey]] (sculptor){{fact}}}}

:First revealed in 2006 at both the UK<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2006/01/25/first4figures-beast-wars-and-transformers-vs-g-i-joe-statuesbusts-4267 "First4Figures Beast Wars and Transformers VS. G.I. Joe Statues/Busts"] at TFW2005.com</ref> and New York [[Toy Fair]]s,<ref>[https://tformers.com/transformers-/5568/news.html "Toy Fair 2006 - First4Figures TF & GI Joe Statues& Busts"] at tformers.com</ref> this was to be a 7-inch tall resin bust of Dinobot released as part of a ''Beast Wars'' tenth anniversary series by model company [[First 4 Figures]]. Dinobot is depicted from waist upwards and mounted on a Maximal-themed pedestal, and is sculpted to be accurate to his ''Beast Wars'' cartoon design, including his sword.

:Mini busts in the planned ''Beast Wars'' line were designed to reflect the scale of the characters as seen in the cartoon, and each was set to be limited to 1,996 pieces, in a nod to the franchise's year of origin.<ref name=ASM>[https://web.archive.org/web/20070806062058/http://toyfair06.asmzine.com/first4figures/report.html "First4Figures Limited Transformers Statues and Busts Info!"] at ASMzine.com (archived)</ref> Dinobot was among the first intended to be released (likely the second, given the presence of finalised stock images but absence of a full product listing) in July 2006, though after a series of delays, he and the rest of the ''Beast Wars'' bust line were cancelled, with First 4 Figures citing a challenging marketplace and lack of retailer interest.
{{canceledtoy}}
{{--}}

===Prime 1 Studio===
[[File:Prime 1 Studio Premium Masterline Beast Wars Megatron.jpg|upright=1.11|thumb|]]
*'''Megatron''' (2017)
**''ID Number'': '''PMTFBW-02''' / '''02EX''' (exclusive)

:[[Prime 1 Studio]] ''Premium Masterline'' [[Megatron (BW)/toys#Prime 1 Studio|Megatron]] is a highly detailed statue of Megatron's robot mode posing over the bits of a destroyed Dinobot.
{{--}}

===''ReAction''===
*'''Dinobot''' (2023)
**''Accessories'': Sword, cyber-slash tail weapon

: Released in the seventh wave of [[Super7]]'s line of multi-property 3.75-inch "retro" action figures, ''[[Super7#ReAction|ReAction]]'' Dinobot is a non-converting figure based on his [[Mainframe]] [[character model]], with 5 points of articulation (swivel neck, shoulders, hips).

: Dinobot comes packaged on a small cardback that mixes the design of the original ''Beast Wars'' packaging with some nostalgic elements resembling [[Kenner]]'s ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' action figures from the late 1970s to early '80s.
{{--}}

==Notes==
*Dinobot's original toy was designed to supplant a failed lion Transformer counterpart to Cheetor that ended up being, understandably, too similar to Cheetor. A dinosaur's entry into the Maximals was justified by pointing out that the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] had been good guys in Generation 1.<ref>[http://obscuretf.com/hhk/BC04interviews.html Botcon 2004 Interview with Vinnie D'Alleva], p1-2</ref>
[[File:Dinobottoycommercial.jpg|thumb|An abandoned deco?]]
*In the first ''Beast Wars'' toy commercials, Dinobot had a slightly different deco than the final toy. He was browner, rather than pinker, and had thicker stripes.
*Some fans are inclined to yank off Dinobot's mutant mask pieces, since he doesn't have them on the television show, they get in the way during transformation, and they're easily removable. Ten years later, Hasbro thought so, too, in their stock photography for ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]]'' Dinobot.
*Unlike many pairs of ''Beast Wars'' redecoes, Dinobot and Grimlock were both drawn with the same regular head in their Hasbro packaging art, rather than one having the mutant mask on for a distinctive contrast.
*An actual (i.e. non-McDonald's affiliated) Transmetal Dinobot apparently made it to concept art stages, but not much further. Several elements of the design were recycled for Transmetal [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]].
*Dinobot's toy curiously has six toes on each foot. Since his legs form his [[robot mode]] arms, not only does this mean he's left with two thumbs, but also a tiny, barely noticeable finger molded near his wrist. The double thumbs got carried over onto his animation model, yet his in-show beast mode appears to only have three toes. Between all this, it has to be said that real-life raptors had no more than four toes on each of their feet.
{{--}}

==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:BWRConcept04.jpg|''Beast Wars'' Dinobot control art
File:TMDinobotConcept.jpg|Transmetal Dinobot concept art
</gallery>

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]]
[[Category:Beast Wars Again]]
[[Category:Beast Wars Maximals]]
[[Category:Beast Wars Telemocha Series]]
[[Category:BotCon exclusives]]
[[Category:Henkei! Henkei! Autobots]]
[[Category:Kre-O Autobots]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:Legacy Maximals]]
[[Category:Masterpiece]]
[[Category:McDonald's exclusives]]
[[Category:Target exclusives]]
[[Category:Timelines characters]]
[[Category:Toys"R"Us exclusives]]
[[Category:Transmetals]]
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron: Kingdom Predacons]]

Dinobot (BW)/toys

2025-11-01T23:25:22Z

Poliwag06:

{{suite}}
[[File:Kingdom Golden Disk Dinobot becomes a masimal.jpg|upright=1.5|thumb|]]

All '''Dinobot''' toys have honor!

==Toys==
===''Beast Wars''===
{{twoimages|File:BW-toy Dinobot.jpg|File:BW-toy DinobotTakara97.jpg|w1=300|w2=300|caption=Left: Wasn't he in [[Jurassic Park|''Jurassic Park'']]? (Hasbro version) Right: Let's hide the legs in beast mode by making them bright translucent orange! (Second Takara version)}}
*'''Dinobot''' (Deluxe Class, [[1996]])
**''Takara ID number:'' '''C-4'''
**''Takara release date:'' July [[1997]]
**''Accessories:'' "[[Cyber-slash tail weapon]]", sword
{{toydesigner|[[Takio Ejima]] (TakaraTomy), [[Masakatsu Saito]] (concept artist)}}

:Part of the first wave of ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' product, Dinobot transforms into what his bio claims is a "vicious ''[[Popular beast alternate modes|Velociraptor]]''". His tail detaches and separates to form a gear-powered, spinning blade "cyber-slash tail weapon", while the central "tail bone" separates to be used as a sword. The entire assembly can store in [[robot mode]] by flipping down the tail-mount and pegging the blade's base to the peg on his lower back. Like all early Deluxe-and-up ''Beast Wars'' toys, he has a "mutant mask", halves of a dino-skull that flip up to cover his more robotic head. Thankfully these pieces are not pinned in, and can be easily removed for better clearance and show-accuracy.

:The original Dinobots shipped on cards with "rocky"-shaped bubbles. Later (and more numerous) assortments moved to a smooth, rounded bubble, leading the first packaging type to become sought-after collectibles on the secondary market. The second packaging variant also saw a slight difference in the toy's tooling, leaving a blank square cut out of his abdomen mold for a [[rubsign]] in preparation for [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Beast Wars|his 1997 redeco]].

:Takara's initial release of the toy was identical to the [[Hasbro]] version (save packaging, of course). In January 1998, Takara [[redeco]]ed many of the ''Beast Wars'' toys and re-released them in slightly more show-like tones; Dinobot's distressingly pinkish skin was changed to tan, his orange robot eyes became red, his flat blue face became metallic blue, his orange dinosaur eyes became white, and his helmet was painted in metallic gold. This version also features the blank square for a rubsign.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/Dinobot/dinobot.htm More information on Dinobot at TFU.info]''
{{BWDinobotMold}}

{{-}}{{anchor|BJs2pack}}
[[File:BJ's-Wholesale-Club-Dinobot-and-Tigatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Deluxe Beast Assortment (Dinobot and Tigatron)''' (two-pack, 1996)
**''Accessories:'' "Cyber-slash tail weapon", sword

:Sold exclusively at [[BJ's Wholesale Club]], Dinobot was released alongside [[Tigatron]] in a two-pack card.

:Both toys are identical to their individual releases.

::*''[https://www.shmax.com/product_details/9280/dinobot_and_tigatron_deluxe_beast_assortment_two_pack More infromation on Shmax.com]''

{{-}}{{anchor|VS4}}{{anchor|VSpack}}
[[File:VS4-DinobotTarantuas.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I prefer to package my toys the old-fashioned way... BRUTALLY!!!]]
*'''Kyōbō no Taiketsu: Dinobot VS Tarans''' (VS pack, 1997)
**''ID number:'' '''VS-4'''
**''Accessories:'' "[[Cyber-slash tail weapon]]", sword

:In Japan, Dinobot was available both as an individual and in a "Ferocious Showdown" (凶暴の対決 ''Kyōbō no Taiketsu'') two-pack with "[[Tarantulas (BW)/toys#VS4|Tarans]]". Both toys in this set were identical to their individual, nigh-identical-to-the-Hasbro-versions releases.

:Both the original toy and Takara's later "more show-like" redeco of Dinobot was released via this VS set.<ref>[https://twitter.com/tfwiki/status/1418228061464678400 Dinobot and Tarans VS pack comparison.]</ref>

{{-}}{{anchor|gold}}
*'''Gold Dinobot''' (Multi-pack "Lucky Draw", [[1998]])
**''Accessories:'' "[[Cyber-slash tail weapon]]", sword

: In 1998, ''[[TV Magazine]]'' offered a gold chrome Dinobot as a prize. Where he was part of a set of other gold ''Beast Wars'' toys of the 5 main Maximals characters.
::*''[https://www.soundwavesoblivion.com/japanesebeastwars.html More information at Soundwaves Oblivion]''

{{-}}{{anchor|MCDTM}}{{anchor|Transmetal}}
[[File:Mcdinobot.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Transforms from ''Velociraptor'' to wolfman.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Happy Meal Transmetal, 1998)
**''McNumber'': '''6'''

:Part of the second [[McDonald's]] ''Beast Wars'' Happy Meal promotion, [[Transmetal]] Dinobot transforms into a robotic ''Velociraptor''. To tie in with the chrome plastic [[gimmick]] of the retail Transmetal toys, parts of his [[beast mode]] are cast in glittery metallic plastic. Like the other McDonald's toys from this assortment, he shares nothing in common with his previous body other than [[alternate mode]] choice.

:This toy was later [[repurposing|repurposed]] by [[IDW Publishing|IDW]]'s ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook|Beast Wars Sourcebook]]'' to represent an [[Dinobot (Transmetal)|initial prototype]] of Dinobot's evil clone, [[Dinobot II]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Maximal/Dinobot/dinobot.htm More information on Transmetal Dinobot at TFU.info]''

{{-}}{{anchor|FK}}{{anchor|FoxKids}}
[[File:FK-Dinobot-toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Eww...perhaps using the power sander to buff his scales wasn't a good idea.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Fox Kids Deluxe, [[1999]])
**''Accessories:'' "[[Cyber-slash tail weapon]]", sword

:Part of the first wave of "[[Fox Kids]]" redecoes (so called because of the callout on the package to the Fox Kids programming block where the cartoon had recently moved), this version of Dinobot is more dark brown than the original, with red stripes instead of the original's brown, with a red robot mode face and green eyes. This toy uses the [[retool]]ed mold with the shoulder ratchets and the (unused) "[[rubsign|energon chip]]" space that were created for ''Beast Wars'' [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Beast Wars|Grimlock]].

:Hasbro solicitations named this toy "Live Wire Dinobot",<ref>https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.toys.transformers/C30fV9dqOK0/gPO8D3N_PAUJ</ref> but the name never made it to final packaging.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1999/Maximal/FKDinobot/fkdinobot.htm More information on Fox Kids Dinobot at TFU.info]''
{{BWDinobotMold}}
{{--}}

===''Beast Wars 10th Anniversary''===
[[File:BW10Dinobot toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|He disagrees with everything that ''T. rex'' says, but you know they're best friends.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Beast Wars 10th Anniversary, [[2006]])
**''Accessories:'' "Energo-drill" sword, spinning blade tail weapon, Transmutate left arm
{{toydesigner|[[Marcelo Matere]] (packaging artist)}}

:This release is yet another redeco of the original Dinobot toy. Though the ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]]'' line's aim was "[[show-accuracy]]", the resulting Dinobot toy confused some fans, with its dark brown base color, odd placement of blue, and, mostly, the metallic green on his bone-like decorations. Like the other ''10th Anniversary'' toys, he has a faction symbol tampoed on his body; in Dinobot's case, there's a Maximal logo on the left side of his robot chest. Like Fox Kids! Dinobot, this toy has the Energon Chip indent and shoulder ratchets that were added for ''Beast Wars'' Grimlock.

:''Beast Wars 10th Anniversary'' Dinobot came with the left arm to the "build-a-bot" figure [[Transmutate (BW)|Transmutate]], plus a DVD containing the obvious Dinobot-themed episode, "[[Code of Hero]]".

:Unfortunately, Dinobot is ''highly'' susceptible to [[Gold Plastic Syndrome]]. Just about any part of this Dinobot is made of metallic plastics that collectively hit their expiration dates around [[2013]], making him highly fragile. The neck, helmet halves, shoulder ratchets, and hip joints are usually the first to snap.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Maximal/Dinobot/dinobot.htm More information on 10th Anniversary Dinobot at TFU.info]''
{{BWDinobotMold}}
{{--}}

===''Timelines''===
[[File:Botcon2006Dinobot toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|[[Can You Dig It?|Can you dig it?]]]]
*'''Dawn of Future's Past''' (Multi-pack Deluxe, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Golden Disk Key
{{toydesigner|[[Joe Moore]] (concept artist)}}<ref>{{citesocial|quote=For Dinobot, they wanted a figure that felt like a dinosaur in both modes. Armada Hoist was a fairly easy pick. This one is probably the most dramatic change from concept to final, where they wanted a much darker look. Concept and final.|link=https://twitter.com/Joe_Toyark/status/1370241085067436035|site=Twitter|name=Joe Moore|year=2021|month=03|day=11}}</ref>

:Part of the five-toy [[BotCon 2006]] [[exclusive]] boxed set (along with [[Cheetor (BW)/toys|Cheetor]], [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys|Optimus Primal]], [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]], and [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]]), ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' "Darksyde Dinobot" is a redeco of the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Longrack (Cybertron)|Longrack]] mold, itself a [[retool]] of ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]'' [[Smokescreen (Armada)#Hoist|Hoist]]. Dinobot uses almost all of Longrack's new-mold parts save for the head; Hoist's head had originally been based on Dinobot's in the first place!<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Cybertron Scourge... is that... that's the... backhoe guy. *Mimes Hoist's arm gimmick.* Yeah, his head is very much like Dinobot, I think I did design it like that. I don't know why. But I like that look. [Could you think of him as the Unicron Trilogy's Dinobot?] Yeah you totally could. Definitely with those colors, it even has that veliciraptor color vibe that they were using back then.|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ToNlyjgeZc&t=445s|name=Aaron Archer|site=''The Toy Armada''|title=Toy Armada Friday Night LIVE - General discussion|year=2023|month=03|day=24}}</ref> He transforms into a Cybertronic excavator. Inserting a [[Cyber Key]] or [[Cyber Key|Golden Disk Key]] into his shoulder assembly unlocks a shovel-punch attack activated by pressing on the plunger mechanism above the key port. Like Longrack, he does ''not'' come with a [[Mini-Con]] partner. The color scheme is partially based on his ''10th Anniversary'' toy.

:The original version of this mold was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Ransack (Universe 2003)|Ransack]].

::*''[https://twitter.com/Joe_Toyark/status/1370241085067436035 Designer commentary on Darksyde Dinobot from Joe Moore on Twitter]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Predacon/BCDinobot/dinobot.htm More information on Darksyde Dinobot at TFU.info]''
{{--}}

===''Beast Wars Telemocha Series''===
[[File:Japanese10thDinobot.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|At last, I CAN TALK!]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Deluxe, 2006)
**''ID number:'' '''TM-05'''
**''Accessories:'' Dino Sabel, Cyber Shield

:Celebrating Japan's 10th anniversary of ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' (one year later than the West), the ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Beast Wars Telemocha]]'' version of Dinobot is yet another (and final?) redeco of the venerable tooling, including the shoulder ratcheting added to the previous Hasbro versions. While definitely more [[Show-accuracy|accurate to the CGI model]] than the Hasbro [[Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|10th Anniversary]] version from the previous year, most of its color-scheme decisions favor the robot mode, such as bronze/gold shoulder joints. The result of this is a less consistently colored beast mode than the Hasbro version. It is the first (and only) version of the mold to place deco on the "mutant mask" halves.

:Though there are some colors dropped between the transition from CGI model to toy, Telemocha Dinobot does currently hold the prize for the sheer number of paint applications used on this mold, and by a large margin. Perhaps most significant to many fans, however, is that this version of Dinobot has a mouth, if only in the form of a paint operation.

:This release of Dinobot came with a DVD containing the ''Beast Wars'' episode... "A Terrifying New Weapon!", the Japanese dub of "[[The Probe]]" and not "Code of Hero".
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Cybertron/Dinobot/dinobot.htm More information on Telemocha Dinobot at TFU.info]''
{{BWDinobotMold}}
{{--}}

===''Universe'' (2008)===
[[File:Dinobotuniversedeluxe.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Just in time for the original mold to be practically cheese by now.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Deluxe, [[2009]])
**''Series'': '''Beast Wars Series'''
**''Accessories:'' Tail/missile launcher, missile/sword
{{toydesigner|[[Bill Rawley]] (Hasbro), [[Hisashi Yuki]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Marcelo Matere]] (concept artist)}}

:''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' Dinobot transforms into a brown and amber ''Jurassic Park''-style ''Velociraptor'' with a robot mode styled heavily after the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' CGI model, including a face with a nose and mouth. His transformation has been altered to produce more human-like proportions, with his robot legs now becoming the raptor legs and the arms hiding mostly inside the torso. He also sports a fully show accurate robot head which can be raised to a 45 degree angle as well as turn. On his chest is a panel that can swap between a Maximal symbol, a Predacon symbol and a blank third panel (for the beast mode head). His [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] double opposable thumbs can be swapped out for "proper" fists. His tail still detaches and splits to become a weapon, but no longer rotates. Instead, it fires a missile shaped like his sword from the cartoon, which can be held as a sword by either the regular fist or claw hands. The tail can also clip onto his back for storage.

:Further referencing his change in allegiance, his packaging identifies him as a Predacon, while his bio treats his defection to the Maximals as a future event.

:This toy was also later [[repurposing|repurposed]] as ''Beast Wars Shattered Glass'' [[Dinobot (BWSG)|Dinobot]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Predacon/TFUDinobot/dinobot.htm More information on Universe Dinobot at TFU.info]''
{{--}}

===''Henkei! Henkei!''===
[[File:Henkei Dinobot.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Then I'll be brief! Oh, happy dagger, this is thy sheath. There rust and let me die."]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Deluxe, 2009-[[March 12|03-12]])
**''ID number:'' '''C-16'''
**''Accessories:'' Tail/missile launcher, missile/sword
{{toydesigner|[[Naoto Tsushima]] (packaging artist)}}

:The ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' release of Dinobot is in more traditional colors than the Hasbro version, decoed in brown with several tan stripes, plus blue and golden detailing. Clear red plastic replaces the clear orange found on the ''Universe'' version. Like all ''Henkei! Henkei!'' releases he features [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] parts, particularly his missile/sword.
{{--}}

===''Device Label''===
[[File:DeviceLabel-Dinobot.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Sorry, you've been replaced.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Device Label, 2009)

:Dinobot would have transformed from a working USB laser mouse into a brown and gold mechanoid raptor, but an early [[BigBadToyStore]] solicitation for him was almost immediately supplanted by a solicitation for "[[Trypticon (G1)#Device Label|Dinosaurer]]" (Trypticon), once better information was had.
{{canceledtoy}}
{{--}}

===''Masterpiece''===
[[File:TF-Masterpiece-BW-MP-41-Dinobot.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|What a piece of work is Dinobot! How noble in reason! How infinite in... currency.]]
* '''Dinobot (Beast Wars)''' ([[2018]]-[[July 28|07-28]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-41'''
**''Accessories:'' [[Cyber-slash tail weapon|Cyber Shield]], Dino Sabel, 4 robot faces, beam effect, [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]], disk stand, disk adapter, base adapter (beast mode), base adapter (robot mode), base A, base B, base arm
{{toydesigner|[[Yuki Ohshima]] (concept artist)}}

: ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' Dinobot transforms from a show-accurate ''Velociraptor'' to a show-accurate robot. It scales correctly with the other ''Masterpiece Beast Wars'' figures. Unlike Primal or Cheetor, Dinobot features printed details and a coat of chip-resistant paint, making him a lot more durable.

: Dinobot also comes with many accessories: first, his two trademark weapons—his tail weapon with working spinning gimmick and the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]]. The Disk is fully detailed, complete with the "The Sounds of Earth" label sculpted on it. Dinobot also comes with 4 different faces for the robot (serious, smirking, smiling and growling); the latter one has clear eyes that can glow via an LED inside his head; a switch will allow the eyes to light up both in red and green. To complement the latter option, the figure also comes with an extra piece that represents Dinobot's eye beams. The light-up feature is fueled by two LR44 batteries (not included). The raptor head can also emote, but needs no extra pieces: a panel on top of the head can be flipped to replace the regular eyes with a second, narrower pair. A final accessory, a stand is formed by a 2-piece base that can be united in multiple directions, the regular arm and 3 extra attachments: one is to hook the Golden Disk onto the base, one is for Dinobot's robot mode and the last one is a cradle to place Dinobot's raptor mode on the stand. Much like the new ''Masterpiece Movie Series'' figures, Dinobot's robot mode mouth can open and close.

: Due to a [[design flaw]] on the initial release, moving Dinobot's robot shoulders through their normal outward range of motion carries a risk of breaking off a small ridge inside the ratchet joint due to an overly strong spring. Lubricating the joints with grease or dish soap can prevent the issue, and it was rectified on later releases with a weaker spring and slightly thicker ridge within the ratchet.

: Some Dinobot figures drain the battery power unusually fast, with some owners reporting that batteries died less than two days after installation and with minimal use.
{{--}}

===''War for Cybertron: Kingdom''===
[[File:WFC-Kingdom Voyager Dinobot.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Rattrap's "Dino-Butt" insult seems to have taken on a new meaning 25 years later.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (Voyager Class, [[2021]])
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''WFC-K16'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''KD-08'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': [[June 26]], 2021
**''Accessories'': "[[Cyber-slash tail weapon#Generations|Cyber slash tail weapon]]"<ref>[https://hasbropulse.com/products/transformers-generations-war-for-cybertron-kingdom-voyager-wfc-k18-dinobot "Tail detaches from raptor mode during conversion and becomes his Cyber Slash tail weapon and sword accessories."]</ref>, sword, Golden Disk card
{{toydesigner|[[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Ken Christiansen]] (concept artist)}}

:Released to commemorate the 25th anniversary of ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'', ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom]]'' Dinobot is a Voyager Class-sized mold that transforms from a cartoon-accurate robot into a ''[[Jurassic Park]]''-accurate ''Velociraptor'' in 28 steps. His hands have a [[5 mm post|5 mm port]] that can hold both his weapons and can close to hold objects (for example: the Golden Disks associated with the [[Ark (G1)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Titan Class Ark]]). He also has 5mm ports under his heels and one under his back-[[kibble]]. His tail can detach and split into two components: his Cyber Slash tail weapon, and his signature sword. The sword's tip is molded with the same texture as Dinobot's skin, presumably to better blend in as the tail tip in beast mode. Due to the Cyber Slash weapon connection, the sword cannot be held by other Transformers toys with traditional 5mm port hands. The Cyber Slash weapon can store in robot mode by attaching to the same port as beast mode. Much like most of the toyline, Dinobot comes with one of four possible holographic [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]] cards for his wave, which reveals a [[Source:Golden Disk destinies|possible destiny]] of a key character, Dinobot being one of them. Dinobot's packaging labels him as a Predacon instead of a Maximal, though the toy itself has no faction symbols.

:The toy was announced using photos of the actual toy with no alterations, while his packaging's [[:File:Kingdomtoy-Dinobotpackaging.jpg|stock renders]] feature some different colors and are missing some transformation seamlines.

:Unfortunately, the [[Unpaintable plastic|nylon plastic]] used to mold Dinobot's forearms has been reported to [[Photodegradation|yellow]] over time, giving them a green-ish tint.

:Dinobot was later retooled as ''Kingdom'' [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Maximal Grimlock]].
{{--}}

===''Buzzworthy Bumblebee''===
[[File:TF-Legacy-Buzzworthy-Bumblebee-Dinobot.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|And I say, "Dinobot, you are ''bad guy'', but this does not mean you are bad ''guy''."]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m1|'''Heroic Maximal Dinobot''' (Voyager Class, [[2022]])}}</ul>
:*''Series'': ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]''
:*''Accessories'': Cyber-slash tail weapon, sword

: Part of the cross-franchise ''[[Buzzworthy Bumblebee]]'' subline, "Heroic Maximal Dinobot" is a [[:File:BW-toy Dinobot.jpg|1996 toy-inspired]] redeco of the above ''Kingdom'' figure with [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Maximal Grimlock]]'s head sculpt.

: Like the above Kingdom figure, the nylon plastic used for various parts of Dinobot's body is prone to rapid yellowing, including while still in [[mint in sealed box|unopened packages]]. Despite the "Heroic Maximal" prefix, his instruction manual has a Predacon symbol before his name.

: As with other figures in its line, Heroic Maximal Dinobot was exclusive to [[Target]] in the United States.
{{-}}

===''Legacy''===
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-multi|'''Dinobot''' (Titan Master, <s>2024</s>)}}</ul>
:A listing for a Core Class version of Dinobot was solicited for ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy United]]''.<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/2025-generations-listings-united-wave-5-age-of-the-primes.1259609/]</ref> This figure got as far as being tooled, but due to the cancellation of the Core size class, plans to release during Legacy fell through.<ref>[https://tfwikicommunity.wordpress.com/2025/10/29/a-stampede-of-hooves-and-tires-my-saturday-with-the-hasbro-team-mcm-comic-con-25/ TFWiki community interview with Evan, 'Unreleased toys' section].</ref>
{{Cancelledtoy}}

{{-}}

===''Beast Wars Again''===
[[File:TF-BW-Again-JP-BWVS-06-Dinobot.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|]]
*'''Gyakushin no Taiketsu''' ([[January 27]], [[2024]])
**''ID number'': '''BWVS-06'''
**''Accessories'': [[Cyber-slash tail weapon#Beast Wars Again|Cyber slash tail weapon]], sword
{{toydesigner|[[Hisashi Yuki]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Hidetsugu Yoshioka]] (packaging artist)}}

:Released as part of the ''[[Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers Again|Beast Wars Again]]'' line, the "Treacherous Showdown" (逆心の対決) set contains Dinobot and and [[Tarantulas (BW)/toys#Beast Wars Again|Tarans]]. Dinobot is a redeco of [[#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|''Kingdom'' Dinobot]] in more cartoon-accurate colors. He comes with an unpainted [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|''Voyager'' Golden Disk]] reused from the ''Masterpiece'' release.
{{--}}

==Merchandise==
===''Beast Wars'' puzzle===
*'''Beast Wars Transformers 200 piece puzzle''' (puzzle, 1996)

:A [[Beast Wars Transformers Jigsaw Puzzle|200-piece puzzle]] from [[Milton Bradley]] featured art of Dinobot and [[Razorbeast]] fighting [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] and [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]]. It was very chrome-foil-y! [http://tfmuseum.com/tf-00081.html]
{{--}}

===Kabaya===
[[File:BWmerch-KabayaDinobotkit.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|Hope you like putting stickers over molded detail!]]
*'''Dinobot''' (candy toy model kit, 1997)

:Part of the second wave of [[Kabaya]] model kits (which included Cheetor, Rattrap, and Terrorsaur), Dinobot is a peg-together model kit. The parts come on pink and yellow sprues, plus there are stickers, instructions for assembly, and a stick of terrible gum. Transformation involves removing the tail, robot legs, and robot arms, and pegging them elsewhere as needed.
{{-}}

[[File:BWmerch-KabayaDinobotfigurine.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Eat it, other [[Transformers Hall of Fame|Hall of Fame]] nominees! But don't eat the candy. Or raw chicken.]]

*'''Dinobot''' (candy toy, 1997)
:A tiny plastic Dinobot figurine molded onto an irregularly-shaped stand was released by Kabaya. Labeled toy 6 of 6, the other characters in his wave were Cheetor, Rattrap, Megatron, Optimus Primal, and Rhinox. They were also available in smokey translucent plastic? [http://tfmuseum.com/tf-01805.html] As always, terrible candy is included.
{{-}}

*'''Dinobot''' (candy toy, 1997)
:A tiny superdeformed Dinobot was also available from Kabaya. It's way too adorable. [http://tfmuseum.com/tf-00714.html]
{{--}}

===''Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game''===
[[File:Dinobotmutatingcard.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game''' (1997)

:Dinobot was one of the 24 beast warriors to receive a battle card representation for the Beast Wars [[Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game|card game]].
{{--}}

===First 4 Figures===
[[File:BWDinobot minibust.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Legs are for the weak.]]
*'''Dinobot''' (<s>2006</s> unreleased)
{{toydesigner|[[Ryan Bailey]] (sculptor){{fact}}}}

:First revealed in 2006 at both the UK<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2006/01/25/first4figures-beast-wars-and-transformers-vs-g-i-joe-statuesbusts-4267 "First4Figures Beast Wars and Transformers VS. G.I. Joe Statues/Busts"] at TFW2005.com</ref> and New York [[Toy Fair]]s,<ref>[https://tformers.com/transformers-/5568/news.html "Toy Fair 2006 - First4Figures TF & GI Joe Statues& Busts"] at tformers.com</ref> this was to be a 7-inch tall resin bust of Dinobot released as part of a ''Beast Wars'' tenth anniversary series by model company [[First 4 Figures]]. Dinobot is depicted from waist upwards and mounted on a Maximal-themed pedestal, and is sculpted to be accurate to his ''Beast Wars'' cartoon design, including his sword.

:Mini busts in the planned ''Beast Wars'' line were designed to reflect the scale of the characters as seen in the cartoon, and each was set to be limited to 1,996 pieces, in a nod to the franchise's year of origin.<ref name=ASM>[https://web.archive.org/web/20070806062058/http://toyfair06.asmzine.com/first4figures/report.html "First4Figures Limited Transformers Statues and Busts Info!"] at ASMzine.com (archived)</ref> Dinobot was among the first intended to be released (likely the second, given the presence of finalised stock images but absence of a full product listing) in July 2006, though after a series of delays, he and the rest of the ''Beast Wars'' bust line were cancelled, with First 4 Figures citing a challenging marketplace and lack of retailer interest.
{{canceledtoy}}
{{--}}

===Prime 1 Studio===
[[File:Prime 1 Studio Premium Masterline Beast Wars Megatron.jpg|upright=1.11|thumb|]]
*'''Megatron''' (2017)
**''ID Number'': '''PMTFBW-02''' / '''02EX''' (exclusive)

:[[Prime 1 Studio]] ''Premium Masterline'' [[Megatron (BW)/toys#Prime 1 Studio|Megatron]] is a highly detailed statue of Megatron's robot mode posing over the bits of a destroyed Dinobot.
{{--}}

===''ReAction''===
*'''Dinobot''' (2023)
**''Accessories'': Sword, cyber-slash tail weapon

: Released in the seventh wave of [[Super7]]'s line of multi-property 3.75-inch "retro" action figures, ''[[Super7#ReAction|ReAction]]'' Dinobot is a non-converting figure based on his [[Mainframe]] [[character model]], with 5 points of articulation (swivel neck, shoulders, hips).

: Dinobot comes packaged on a small cardback that mixes the design of the original ''Beast Wars'' packaging with some nostalgic elements resembling [[Kenner]]'s ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' action figures from the late 1970s to early '80s.
{{--}}

==Notes==
*Dinobot's original toy was designed to supplant a failed lion Transformer counterpart to Cheetor that ended up being, understandably, too similar to Cheetor. A dinosaur's entry into the Maximals was justified by pointing out that the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] had been good guys in Generation 1.<ref>[http://obscuretf.com/hhk/BC04interviews.html Botcon 2004 Interview with Vinnie D'Alleva], p1-2</ref>
[[File:Dinobottoycommercial.jpg|thumb|An abandoned deco?]]
*In the first ''Beast Wars'' toy commercials, Dinobot had a slightly different deco than the final toy. He was browner, rather than pinker, and had thicker stripes.
*Some fans are inclined to yank off Dinobot's mutant mask pieces, since he doesn't have them on the television show, they get in the way during transformation, and they're easily removable. Ten years later, Hasbro thought so, too, in their stock photography for ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]]'' Dinobot.
*Unlike many pairs of ''Beast Wars'' redecoes, Dinobot and Grimlock were both drawn with the same regular head in their Hasbro packaging art, rather than one having the mutant mask on for a distinctive contrast.
*An actual (i.e. non-McDonald's affiliated) Transmetal Dinobot apparently made it to concept art stages, but not much further. Several elements of the design were recycled for Transmetal [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]].
*Dinobot's toy curiously has six toes on each foot. Since his legs form his [[robot mode]] arms, not only does this mean he's left with two thumbs, but also a tiny, barely noticeable finger molded near his wrist. The double thumbs got carried over onto his animation model, yet his in-show beast mode appears to only have three toes. Between all this, it has to be said that real-life raptors had no more than four toes on each of their feet.
{{--}}

==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:BWRConcept04.jpg|''Beast Wars'' Dinobot control art
File:TMDinobotConcept.jpg|Transmetal Dinobot concept art
</gallery>

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]]
[[Category:Beast Wars Again]]
[[Category:Beast Wars Maximals]]
[[Category:Beast Wars Telemocha Series]]
[[Category:BotCon exclusives]]
[[Category:Henkei! Henkei! Autobots]]
[[Category:Kre-O Autobots]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:Legacy Maximals]]
[[Category:Masterpiece]]
[[Category:McDonald's exclusives]]
[[Category:Target exclusives]]
[[Category:Timelines characters]]
[[Category:Toys"R"Us exclusives]]
[[Category:Transmetals]]
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron: Kingdom Predacons]]

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2025-10-14T12:02:55Z

Poliwag06: /* Coverage idea */

__NEWSECTIONLINK__

This is the place for discussion of topics that affect the entire wiki. For less wide-reaching subjects, either use articles' individual talk pages or [https://discord.com/invite/N99Bygq our Discord server.]

Some topics that would ordinarily be here have merited their own pages:

{{chapters|title=Specific Discussion Subjects|align=left|content=
<div class="list-header">'''Moving From Wikia:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving|Arriving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving|Leaving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal/Complaints|Complaints]]
 <div class="list-header">'''New Ad Policy:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki:Ads|Ads]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Bookworm Database-Crash:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central|Damage Control Central]]
* [[Project:Bookworm Crash]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving2|Leaving Take 2]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Server Move:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving2|Arriving Take 2]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Relicensing:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Relicensing|Relicensing]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Dealing With Vandalism:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Vandalism|Vandalism]]
 <div class="list-header">'''GoBots Sister Wiki:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/GoBots|Discussion on the place of GoBots in this wiki]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Wiki Technical Information:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki:Tech|A Not So Brief Summary of the Horrible Things That McFly and Co. Have Done To Keep This Wiki From Melting Down]]
}} 

{{:{{FULLPAGENAMEE}}/Archive}}


==The Thirteen and the other conversation we've been waiting for==

Over the last few years, the Thirteen have played a major role in multiple ''Transformers'' stories. However, this prominence—combined with Hasbro's increasingly loose approach their in-universe lore—has also led to increasingly divergent portrayals of the group and its individual members.

Around 2015, we took the step of consolidating all the different incarnations of the Thirteen on one page for each, with the rationale that the characters were former [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]], and mostly shared similar backstories and personalities between incarnations. However, even at the time, this was not a completely ideal comporomise. Most notably, the various [[Alpha Trion]]s were not consolidated into one, partly due to length and partly because the existence of his [[Alpha Trion#Shattered Glass|murderously insane evil counterpart]] represented a massive contradiction to the entire notion.

However, over the years, multiple authors have drastically reinterpreted the Thirteen and their story. The role of "Thirteenth Prime" has been filled by multiple contradictory characters—[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]], [[Zeta Prime (One)|Zeta Prime]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]—and individual depictions of the Primes themselves have grown increasingly divergent. "Shattered Glass" Alpha Trion is no longer the outlier, but rather an increasing trend: for instance, ''Transformers One'' features a completely heroic Megatronus who never becomes The Fallen, a Liege Maximo that looks nothing like Loki, and an incarnation of Nexus Prime that does not seem to be a combiner. With these data points in mind—and the potential for even further divergence in the coming years—I and several other editors feel that it may be time to reorganize our Thirteen coverage, splitting them out into individual [[continuity family]]-based incarnations the way we would for stock characters like [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)|Bumblebee]], etc.

However, if we do adopt this approach, some further problems would need to be solved.

* '''How do we handle toys?''' With a few exceptions like ''Revenge of the Fallen'' The Fallen, the toys of the Thirteen are clearly meant to be somewhat continuity-agnostic. ''Age of the Primes'' Solus Prime is about as faithful to her depiction in ''The Covenant of Primus'' as it is to ''One'' or any of the IDW comics in which she appears. Even if we count them as "repurposes" across multiple pages, the format of the wiki means they'd have to be based ''somewhere''...

* '''FunPub stuff''': The Vector Prime of "Ask Vector Prime" is clearly meant to be a version of the same Vector Prime who appeared in the ''Cybertron'' cartoon, but at the same time makes reference to off-camera events, such as a time when he and the Thirteen lived in Ancient Greece—would we make a separate "FunPub" page for the Thirteen, or try and work these events onto Unicron Trilogy pages when necessary? Other similar problems exist: "[[Coalescence]]" is a story that features a movie universe Fallen jumping into the world of ''Shattered Glass'', and AVP established that "The Evil One" of GoBots fame, is another alternate-universe incarnation of The Fallen/Megatronus.

Feedback on this proposal is appreciated! [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:50, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:From my point of view, I think as it stands right now my thoughts on the Thirteenth Prime stuff is that I absolutely understand the concerns, but for me personally it kind of falls into the same view as like, IDW Primus being Rung, which I think our current model handles fairly well. For the other Primes, I'm tempted to say that like...as it stands, there's about as much divergence there as like, Unicron as he's depicted in The Last Knight (not really shown to be aggressive beyond being called Cybertron's enemy), and as it stands right now, I don't think that's enough to say there should be a full-on split, but I do think it's worth thinking about future-proofing. And I suppose my main concern right now about pushing ahead too soon is in the event there's some fiction accompanying the Age of the Primes stuff; certainly, the fact that we're getting a toy of the Fallen with the Megatronus name but with the original Dreamwave design does make me hesitant that there might be some further consolidation of disparate elements; and I remember that last time we did this in the early 2010s was that we figured the idea of the Aligned Primes not having any connections to the others was going to be the standard going forward, which turned out not to be the case, and I figure it might be worth considering if something like that happens again. But! I am open to ideas of how to implement this if we do go for it; I think the suite options we have for Primus and Unicron work perfectly fine if we go for something like that. Just figure it's worth considering the stuff I've brought up here first. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:35, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Right now, I'm leaning toward the camp of not splitting them out for all the reasons you've given. I look at our current situation and, while not perfect, I feel that things can be tidied up simply with some "Conceptual history" sections for the pages that need them. The aforementioned Vector Prime is a particular case not just for everything stated about him above, but because [[Vector Prime: In the Beginning|his very first Fub Pub appearance]] written by [[Forest Lee]] leans so heavily far into the multiversal aspect of the character that it doesn't treat him like he is a native to the Cybertron cartoon universe but rather to the whole multiverse itself. Similarly, Nexus Prime was also continuity-agnostic by his very nature from the ground up. The safest solution for splitting him out would be to classify his Fun Pub incarnation under "(Timelines)" (the previous "(Classics)" tag we had him under was bleh), but that's typically a last-resort tag we have tried to avoid in the past.
::Regarding The Fallen, while he does tend to be evil in a majority of his depictions, and has had a few outlier cases where he either didn't go bad at all (TF One) or was the victim of other's manipulations (Covenant), it's implied that the majority of those evil versions weren't always evil from the start, and only went bad later. The TF One version of Megatronus never turned to the dark side, but one could argue that he was murdered before he ever would have gotten the chance to. ;-)
::Regarding the Thirteenth Prime and various conflicting the depictions, we solved that issue by simply creating the "[[Thirteenth Prime]]" article to explain everything there.
::You mention the situation with Alpha Trion, and I get it. The biggest reasons for simply not merging all of his pages together were that A) he was never originally meant to be one of the Thirteen since the original Dreamwave-based lore for the Thirteen had them all die before A3 was even born, and B) his Shattered Glass self. I used to be a proponent for keeping all of his versions separate because of A, but in the time since then we've had more and more depictions of him as a 13er who were all still pretty much the same as his traditional pre-Aligned depictions. If we were to merge all of his versions together, a "Conceptual history" section for him could explain the whole "Sometimes he's a 13er, sometimes he's not" situation.
::BUT, there still remains his SG version, which I wouldn't feel comfortable putting on the same page as his other versions. Reaching back to the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3F original discussion] about how to handle the SG characters, I find myself still agreeing with those like Steve-o who pointed out how awkward "'''Continuity X''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Continuity Y''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of different but still funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Shattered Glass''': Bumblebee is hardcore evil and wants to kill you for no particular reason. '''Continuity Z''': Bumblebee loves humans and does yet another set of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe." reads as a page. But, there is one thing we have nowadays that we did not have back when that original discussion was held and makes me wonder how differently the conversation might have gone if they had existed back then: Subpages. Looking at our [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] articles, I find it to be a very fair and workable compromise that their respective SG versions are placed not on their respective main pages but as subpages for each. Doing the same for SG Alpha Trion were we to merge all of the non-SG A3's together could be a valid solution too, in my eyes. Unlike others, I don't see subpages as an annoying evil that much be dealt with and eliminated, but as a handy tool to work around tricky situations like this.
::Had they even existed back then, it's very possible that ALL SG characters may have ended up on subpages for their positive polarity counterparts instead of separate pages entirely. And since then, SG has grown to expand not just beyond the original Fun Pub SG G1 continuity but to other non-G1 SG continuities, like for the Movies, Animated, and Cybertron, forcing us to create such unsightly tags as "(SG Movie)", "(SG Animated)", and "(SG Cybertron)", when subpages could have prevented that with "(Movie)/Shattered Glass" or "(Animated)/Shattered Glass" and so on.
::But, I'm getting off topic. Backing up to the Thirteen, I'm for keeping the Thirteen together. In addition to what all I've said above, the Age of the Primes toys seem to be treating them as the standard or definitive versions of the Thirteen that apply for every version/universe/continuity, pulling from all across the board rather than sticking to a single depicted version of them. Prima has his Aligned body but the Sunbow Powerful Robot's head. The Fallen is just the Dreamwave design but with Aligned Megatronus's weapons from the books and RID 2015 cartoon. Micronus is likely to be based on his RID 2015 design which was itself based on the Aligned design. The statue group artwork makes Amalgamous looks more like his TF One design than his Aligned design. Vector Prime is just straight-up Cybertron Vector Prime. And Star Convoy was never one of the Thirteen in any version before now. Yet, all these disparately-sourced designs are being treated as if they all belong to the same group no matter what continuity they come from. So keeping them together as they are would just make it easier for us to not have to split hairs over which versions of which 13ers these are supposed to be when the answer would simply be "all of the above" (and we wouldn't have to put multiple entries of the same toy on, like, six or seven different characters' pages that would have to maintained equally across all of those pages). This model makes this particular version of the group feel inherently multiversal, with each member either originating from a different universe as each other, or being a multiversal hybrids comprised of different aspects of different versions of them from across the dimensions, as if Hasbro is trying to say that the AOTP versions represent *every* version of the Thirteen (minus Star Optimus, of course, since we know he's not a member in every version of this group). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:01, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::As somebody who's pushed for this split for a long time, I'm obviously all for it. I feel we can easily determine where the toys go based on their main inspirations (Fallen is G1 Dreamwave, Micronus is Aligned RID, etc) are or just make the links go to the G1 pages (since G1 is effectively the wastebasket taxon of this franchise anyway). For the FunPub stuff, we can either do it Sideways style or just do it like we do for Kre-O and ancillary stuff: place them based on the characterization/design used by the work. Multiversal Vector Prime is pretty much just Cybertron Vector Prime (and the TransTech incarnation from the last portion of AVP can be split out).
:::I am pretty much opposed to "subpages" because that is just duplicating the parentheses system we already have just for the sake of pedantry. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:03, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::Fully agree with both Escargon and Sabrblade, and their reasoning. I am biased against splits pretty much as a matter of cause, but the Thirteen ''in particular'' have for most of their history (including now, in the continuity-agnostic ''Age of the Primes!)'' been defined by their multiversal nature. I just don't think a split would be helpful. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 16:05, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::So we need to wait five years of more non-multiversal stories to have this discussion again? That doesn't make sense. The COP version of the Thirteen weren't characterized as singularities in the first place, regardless; only FunPub cared about that aspect (and not even with the usual lineup we have now) and they tossed it because they realized it was an unworkable concept in this franchise and it's unlikely to ever get resurrected. It's been nearly a decade since the Shroud (the concept only existed from 2009-2015). You bring up AOTP but toylines clearly don't and never thought about those characters in terms of our organizational schema. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:19, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I think we can probably leave the most of the old content together, since it might be a mess to split them apart and much of that content is based on the Covenant mythos anyway. I feel new iterations of the Thirteen (post-POTP?) should get their own pages, like ''Earthspark'' Quintus and the ''One'' Primes (particularly Megatronus since he's quite different). Though I suppose that begs the question of what to use in the parentheses for their current pages... —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 13:10, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::How much of it is actually sticking to the Covenant? IDW1 had them be regular guys and some pre-Covenant stuff (notably Megatronus/Fallen) is more prominent for the character and not really compatible. Other Aligned stuff has also influenced other "continuity families", but we're not merging those articles, so I don't really see why this is different regarding the Thirteen. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:49, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I’m against splitting pages, mostly because The Thirteen haven’t had enough drastic and unique depictions of them to stop “breaking the rules” for them and give them split pages.
::> The Thirteen haven’t followed the traditional convention of “every character gets a new page for that universe’s depiction”, mostly because of the whole multiversal singularity issue. Now while that concept isn’t used in fiction anymore, ''Age of the Primes'' seems to lean towards having a standard, continuity-agnostic depiction of the Thirteen from which future teams can use as the foundation of their depictions.
::> Escargon and Sabrblade make some good points regarding subpages, particularly with the example of the standard '''“Primus = God”''' and '''Rung (G1)''' incarnations. Rung is a distinct and unique take on the Primus character whose backstory is incompatible with virtually every other Primus incarnation, so placing him on the same page as the Primus of the Marvel Comics, or Cybertron, or the Aligned continuity, wouldn’t seem right.
::> ''The Covenant of Primus'' has been the foundation of every depiction of the Thirteen since it was released. Certain things might be modified, such as the 2005 IDW’s take on them, but even those Primes still follow certain story beats: Megatronus kills Solus, Liege Maximo is a manipulator, Prima’s role as the leader and his conflict with Megatronus, etc. ''One'' offers a depiction of the Thirteen who don’t enter a War of the Primes situation, but because we don’t really get any more information about them besides how they died, I wouldn’t say that they’re distinct enough or important enough to warrant their own pages.
::> Then there’s the fact that a lot of the Primes either have had very small roles or haven’t had any real importance to the franchise in several years: '''Micronus'''’s last big role was a few episodes in ''Robots in Disguise'' and a clever tie-in to the Microspace of the 2005 IDW universe. '''Onyx'''’s only big role was in the ''Covenant'', mostly thanks to '''[[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|this guy]]''' taking his place in another universe. Onyx has a few mentions in ''Cyberverse'', but I don’t think that alone should be the reason for splitting his page up. '''Nexus Prime''' and '''Vector Prime''' haven’t really done anything notable since the Shroud. '''Solus Prime''' has seen some prominence thanks to IDW's Caminus and ''Power of the Primes'', but those depictions again don’t stray too far from the ''Covenant''. '''Amalgamous Prime''' has had virtually no exploration as a character. The most we’ve gotten for him is a much easier-to-look-at design in ''One''.
::> Character-wise, story-wise… they’re all still heavily based on the ''Covenant''. Even '''Quintus Prime'''’s ''Earthspark'' depiction (with his more human-looking face) is based on his “Johnny Appleseed, made the Quintessons” lore established from the ''Covenant''. Now if we had a full group of the Thirteen from a Shattered Glass universe or had some “What-If?” incarnations of the characters that made them very different… splitting pages would make more sense to me.
::> A lot of the Thirteen have also maintained a consistent visual look to them since their introduction: all the Primes introduced in the Covenant have kept their look (Alchemist’s Lenses, Onyx’s face, Solus’ hair and color scheme), and every version of Megatronus seems to have a Decepticon insignia face, flames, and/or both. While ''One'' may have changed some color schemes (Liege Maximo missing his green), I don’t think just having a different color scheme and nothing else different warrants a new page.
::> I like the idea of conceptual history sections for now, and as I said on ''The Fallen''’s talk page, I think the beginning to his page needs a general rewrite from its “frozen in 2009” version. But until drastic new interpretations of those characters are created, if a member of the Thirteen has a single page… we should keep it as a single page --[[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 16:33, 7 December 2024 (EST)
: Splitting them would simply be a bigger headache. They're rather like Primus and Unicron where they're "bigger picture" characters (only this time around designed ''very specifically'' to '''''be''''' as such) and it's best to treat them as such, and really, there's not enough material to BOTHER splitting for most of them. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Since it's related to this subject, it should probably also be mentioned here that there have recently been two discussions happening on the talk page for [[The Fallen]]. One about changing that article's mainpic and the other about moving the page's name to Megatronus. As of now, nothing has come out of either discussion, but I feel the results of this a bigger discussion may have an effect on either of those two smaller ones. Speaking as one who is in favor of not splitting out the Thirteen, my thoughts on these two smaller topics are that a good compromise would be to keep the article at its current name since many Megatronuses still become The Fallen, but replace the mainpic with The Fallen's Age of the Primes toy packaging art (as it depicts him in his original first body from Dreamwave but armed with his now-signature weapons from Aligned media, serving as a sort of visual overview for the character's history), along with a rewrite of his intro at the top of the page to be more all-encompassing, and the inclusion of a new "Conceptual history" section to give a proper overview of his different depictions. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm going to second this. I've mulled it over a little bit and while there is an argument to be made for splitting them out, I feel that 12 of the 13 primes really don't warrant it. They just haven't had as much an impact on the story and while it could be future proofing to split them, until we get prominent appearances from them I don't think it's a viable option right now. Megatronus is clearly the exception to this rule. I don't know if there's a clean solution to dealing with him at the moment. Part of me thinks maybe we should suite out the Movie and RiD versions since those are his too big appearences to date. At the bare minimum though I think we should use either his Dreamwave or Age of Primes art as the mainpic. It's his first body and I think it's influenced more designs than his RoTF design has. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 22:57, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::Erm, no. Neither his Movie or RiD sections (certainly not the latter) are big enough to warrant subpages for either. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:57, 8 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm also of the opinion that a split would be a massive hassle for very little gain, but I do feel we should move The Fallen to Megatronus. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:54, 8 December 2024 (EST)
::::To me, renaming the page to Megatronus feels like renaming an Optimus Prime page to Orion Pax. The name was created to tell us what he was called ''before'' he became The Fallen, like how Orion Pax was what Optimus was called before he became Optimus Prime. TF One Megatronus never became The Fallen but he's an anomaly, not a new standard. As of now, the only impact TF One Megatronus has had on the brand is the official reveal video for Age of the Primes describing the very Dreamwave/Aligned-based AOTP version as "the most powerful Prime," while also putting a grim, pronounced emphasis on "The Fallen" when referring to him as "Megatronus... The Fallen". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:16, 8 December 2024 (EST)
::::: '''Yes''' to changing The Fallen's mainpic back to the DW-style character design, huge-ass '''No''' to changing the page name; the Optimus/Orion comparison is spot-on. (And as to below... yes. The Thirteen are absolutely "set dressing that walks like a man" and best to approach them as such.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:11, 8 December 2024 (EST)

:After meditating upon this a while I think I've come to agree with the broad majority above that splitting each member of the Thirteen would hurt more than it would help. The way I see it what we should be striving for here is the approach that involves the least "hallucinating data" within our organizational system, and splitting will require making a lot of different calls on what "counts" to formulate micro-characterizations for dozens of serial continuity transplants, none of which do much individually, while obfuscating the larger context they are gesturing towards. Fundamentally what we may be running up against here is that the closest most of these guys have to a true "home continuity" as we typically think of it is... the brand bible. They are set dressing that walks like a man.

:To go one step further, if we want to talk future-proofing I would advocate formalizing the approach of treating them as a squad of mini-Unicrons/Primuses such that:

::1) My suggestion for the issues currently plaguing the Fallen (and to a lesser degree Trion) would be to make "Conceptual History" sections more or less standard issue across the board for the Thirteen, laying out swerves in characterization and appearance as they happened rather than trying to pry them apart ''or'' smoosh them together.

::2) I think it's worth revisiting merging Alpha Trion for consistency. In the decade+ since Prime cludged him into the lineup, Alpha Trion has consistently appeared as a member of the Thirteen, an insubstantial cameo, or both in pretty much every continuity he's appeared, and looking backwards I cannot help but notice that the fact that there's next to no meaningful daylight between his depictions has been the running gag of his [[Alpha Trion|disambiguation page]] since day one. If Shattered Glass remains a sticking point the Unicron/Primus style suite split approach is a reasonable compromise.

:I wouldn't say I'm married to any of this and counter-counter-proposals are welcome, but that's my two cents. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:08, 8 December 2024 (EST)
:I think just put a line at the end of the fallens intro article that says "while mostly a bad guy, there exists at least one universe (link to TF one section) where he's managed to defy all logic and be...good for once).[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:53, 8 December 2024 (EST)

I'm for splitting the Thirteen, for the same reasons Saix gave. If that doesn't work, I think the versions of Alpha Trion should be merged. It's the inconsistency that drives me batty. [[User:Boingus|--Boingus]] ([[User talk:Boingus|talk]]) 22:12, 8 December 2024 (EST)

===Checkpoint? (01/18/2025)===
This topic seems to have gotten as much interaction as it's going to get, so to take stock before it falls off the agenda completely:

:*'''Votes for splitting the Thirteen across the board:''' 4 (Locoman, Saix, BlueJayWarrior, Boingus)
:*'''Votes against:''' 8 (Escargon, Sabrblade, Wadapan, Daytonjhammon, M Sipher, Exim93, Dark T Zeratul, AzimuthAcolyte)

That seems like a pretty resounding 2:1 "no," but the discussion also generated some possible compromises/suggestions for future-proofing:

:*'''Votes for more widespread use of "Conceptual History" sections:''' 3 (Sabrblade, Daytonjhammon, AzimuthAcolyte)
:*'''Votes to merge Alpha Trion (with potential SG suite) for consistency:''' 3 (Sabrblade, AzimuthAcolyte, Boingus)

Lastly it generated some cross-bleed from the debates on [[Talk:The Fallen|The Fallen's talk page]] about some updates now that we're 16 years out from his [[live-action film series]] star turn:

1) Moving the page to "Megatronus":
:*'''For:''' 1 (Dark T Zeratul)
:*'''Against:''' 2 (Sabrblade, M Sipher)

2) Swapping back to a Dreamwave-style mainpic:
:*'''For:''' 3 (Sabrblade, Ezim93, M Sipher)

If anyone wants to try to resuscitate the mega-split speak now. If not, thoughts on the compromise proposals?

The Fallen discussion should probably return to his own page. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:33, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:My stances remain unchanged on all of the above. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:55, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::I'd be fine with splitting, but if we don't, we ''absolutely'' need to merge the Alpha Trions. There's no good justification for the others being together and him being split.
::As for the Fallen... I feel the need to point out that it's not ''just'' One Megatronus that didn't use the name. EVERY toyline and piece of media in the last decade — RID15, the Prime Wars cartoons, the POTP toy, the offhand mentions in Cyberverse — have used "Megatronus", completely dropping the idea that he stopped being Megatronus and became the Fallen. It's evidently how Hasbro thinks of the character; the Studio Series toy provides plenty of evidence that they ''could'' have just called the AOTP toy "The Fallen" if they'd wanted to. -[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 15:51, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::I am also pro-merging Alpha Trions with a SG subpage along the lines of what we do for Primus and Unicron. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:11, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::::I disagree that we need to put SG Trion on a separate page. Just have his Shattered Glass section open with "In the mirror universe of Shattered Glass, Alpha Trion was..." --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:58, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::::I'm pro merging Alpha Trion as well and adding conceptual history. Fallen/Megatronus discussion I'm good with taking back to his page. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 16:20, 18 January 2025 (EST)

:Here's my 5 cents. We are under no obligation to be consistent with how we treat the members of the Thirteen. If it makes sense for the characters, we can have Alpha Trions on separate pages because he has a long rich history of appearances in wide and varied media, including media in which he is not a member of the Thirteen, and we can also have Amalgamous Prime on one page because he doesn't. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:48, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::I'm in agreement with this. "Consistency" is nice until it isn't, and merging Alpha's pages... isn't. I feel like that's just gonna result in a clusterfuck. "Conceptual history" is fine to add, but frankly I feel like only like... maybe only a third of the 13 would even ''need'' it. There's really not a lot to most of these. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:07, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::I'm curious what would be the negative result of merging Alpha Trion's pages. The thing is that they ''are'' basically all identical barring the Shattered Glass version, and even that one is functionally the same guy, just evil. RID01, Energon, Animated and ROTF Alpha Trion are all footnotes, which just leaves us with G1 Trion (sometimes of the Thirteen), Aligned Trion (of the Thirteen), Cyberverse Trion (of the Thirteen) and One Trion (of the Thirteen). Is there some complicating factor that I'm missing...? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:38, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::: Honestly, I think this just sold me on the idea of merging all the Alpha Trion pages, including the Shattered Glass version, into one page. A Conceptual History section could explain his development from sage to member of the Thirteen, with a paragraph about his Shattered Glass version. [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 00:02, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:::::As I stated above, I used to be firmly against the idea of the Alpha Trions being merged, because of the facts that he wasn't originally supposed to be one of the Thirteen (a ship that has long since sailed), he was never a singularity like the other 13ers were (which no longer matters at all now since that concept was done away with), and he has a Shattered Glass version (but so too do Primus and Unicron, now, and their pages have set a good workable precedent for how to deal with SG versions of "set dressing characters" like them and the Thirteen). But now, as time goes on, the more it begins to feel like we're just keeping the Alpha Trions separate for more pedantic reasons than are necessary, especially since the AOTP toyline looks to be drawing influence from all continuities for its specific roster of the Thirteen, as if to say that the AOTP toys of the Thirteen represent *all* versions of the Thirteen (meaning AOTP Alpha Trion will represent *all* Alpha Trions).
:::::Sipher mentioned that conceptual history sections would only benefit a small number of the Thirteen, and, well, yes, that is a true statement. But the idea wouldn't be to give ''all'' of the Thirteen conceptual history sections, just the few that would need it. And a merged. But there being only a few that would need it no less diminishes the need of those few.
:::::However, I definitely draw the line at putting SG characters on the same webpages as their non-SG counterparts, as I go back to [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3Fthe original discussion about that very subject] and all the reasons given there (particularly from Steve-o, whom I already quoted above) for why SG characters should '''not''' share a webpage with their non-SG counterparts. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:47, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::::I feel like "they're all basically the same" is a charge that can be leveled at a lot of characters who are present in multiple continuity families. I'm all in favour of keeping non-entities to one page each, but Alpha Trion meets the threshold for actually having enough detail to have separate articles. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:32, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:My votes: No to splitting the 13 articles, yes for conceptual history, no to merging Trion (maybe expanding his disambig a la Sideways'?), no to moving the Fallen, maybe to changing his mainpic (compare to UT or Aligned characteers with major body changes - UT generally sticks with the Armada bodies, but Aligned favours Prime bodies over WFC). [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 18:01, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:I also think that it wouldn´t be appropriate to separate the pages of the thirteen and that the articles about Alpha Trion should be merged, after he become one of the 13 he has been mostly the same across all media. --[[User:MikeOsix|MikeOsix]] ([[User_talk:MikeOsix|talk]]) 20:57, 18 January 2024 (EST)
My vote is that we should keep Prime pages *mostly* non-split- I do, however, think there is merit to a "Conceptual History" part, going over different variations of the characters over the Years. I originally wanted Alpha's pages to be kept apart- but after some talking, I figure it's best for him to also enjoy a conceptual history rather than a disambiguation page. (I still love Disambiguation pages though.)
On The Fallen's page getting a Dreamwave-style picture: I give it a hard thumbs up. That seems to be the design Hasbro is sticking with compared to the skeleton-furnace guy from the movies. -- [[User:OptiMay Primal|OptiMay Primal]] ([[User talk: BattleBlade|talk]]) 21:54, 18 January 2024 (PST)
:I cannot see any benefit to smushing all of the Alpha Trion articles together. Every time this happens, we get a lengthy, unfocused mess of a page that wards off attempts at maintenance because it's so large. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:16, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::I'm personally against merging all the Trions, but I could be convinced if someone sandboxes a merged page first as a proof of concept. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:59, 24 January 2025 (EST)
At Cyberlink's suggestion, I've slapped together a rough prototype of a merged Alpha Trion suite broadly mirroring the Fallen's setup that can be seen–
:*'''[[Alpha Trion|HERE]]'''
Intro etc not final, of course. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 16:27, 24 January 2025 (EST)
:I like this. It's no longer or less focused than [[Unicron]], for example. I'm still kind of dubious about the need to exclude Shattered Glass versions from these cross-continuity characters, but at least SG Trion is more substantial than SG Unicron. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:31, 24 January 2025 (EST)
:Posting to confirm I'm in favor of this. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 12:49, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Yeah I like it too, when so many of his incarnations are so similar the unified article feels more user friendly [[User:LenaPrime|LenaPrime]] ([[User talk:LenaPrime|talk]]) 12:57, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Adding that I think this works pretty well. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 18:42, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Thought I'd stick my two cents in. I think this would work. If Unicron can have a merged page like this, then it should certainly work for Trion. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 23:44, 25 January 2025 (EST)
I've also started working on prototypes of rewrites / updates to Prima and The Fallen's pages, which can be seen...
:*'''[[User:Daytonjhammon/Sandbox/Prima|HERE for Prima]]''' and '''[[User:Daytonjhammon/Sandbox/The Fallen|HERE for The Fallen]]'''.
Discussion for The Fallen should probably stay on his [[Talk:The Fallen|own talk page]], but I'm linking them here since both have "conceptual history" sections I've drafted up. [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 13:50, 26 January 2025 (EST)

===Checkpoint 2 (05/05/2025)===
This definitely fell way off the agenda but there was sufficient interest that I believe it is worth circling back. Following Dayton's excellent work on Prima and the Fallen's Conceptual History section going live, the final point of order remains the prospect of merging Alpha Trion (with SG suite) to reflect his Aligned-forward characterization and bring him in line with the other 12 + 2 (Thirteen, Primus, Unicron) "man-shaped set dressing" characters.

Again, a full mock-up of this concept can be seen-

:*'''[[Alpha Trion|HERE]]'''

The current tally stands at:

:*'''Votes for merging Alpha Trion into one cross-continuity article with SG sub-page:''' 12 (Sabrblade, AzimuthAcolyte, Boingus, Broadside, Escargon, Ezim93, Daytonjhammon, MikeOsix, OptiMay Primal, LenaPrime, IGEBM13, Hilfam)
:*'''Votes against:''' 5 (abates, M Sipher, BattleBlade, Saix, Cyberlink420)

That's overwhelming support a ways past 2:1. Does anyone care to answer a last call for comment?

Suggestions or concerns for the prototype are particularly welcome. For my part I would appreciate assistance drafting a Conceptual History section. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:18, 5 May 2025 (EDT)
: Chipping in to reiterate that I'm in favour, though I'm unconvinced that the SG subpage is necessary. I do recognise that it's in line with how we currently treat Unicron, but like... is there anything we gain from having it be a separate page that we couldn't get from just putting "in one mirror universe, alpha trion was a real sicko!" at the top of the section? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (EDT)
::On principle alone, I'm against putting SG characters on the same pages as their non-SG counterparts, no matter what. The day we make such allowance for just one of them is the day we open the floodgates for potentially doing that for any and all SG characters. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:54, 6 May 2025 (EDT)
:::The (SG) system is simple. What exactly does messing with it accomplish? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:28, 8 May 2025 (EDT)
::::See, my understanding was not that SG characters are "special exceptions", it's that we treat Shattered Glass as its own continuity family (and likewise SG Animated, et al). It's not "messing with" the system to put the SG version of a character on a cross-continuity family page for that character. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:53, 13 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::It's messing with what Thylacine mentions for the sake of insisting on making categorization exceptions for the Thirteen. It's not useful to either editor or reader, especially if we're going to do the pointless lateral move that is "/Shattered Glass" anyway. (SG) is straightforward and easy to parse as opposed to "here's the explicitly negative AU guy buried here because arbitrary wiki reasons". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:42, 13 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Looks like it doesn't matter anymore, but the difference between SG and non-SG material - the whole fact that SG exists to be an irreconcilable opposite to G1 - is more fundamental and important than the sum total of all appearances and history of at least 10 of the 13. We should not be wiping away important conceptual distinctions for the sake of unimportant asterisk characters who basically only ever existed in a list. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:59, 13 May 2025 (EDT)

== International Sightings ==

So, as of late, mentions of "toy appeared in (non-US country) without prior announcement" type lines have been getting purged from the wiki. This makes me wonder: am I allowed to even mention them anymore when a new toy appears somewhere? I'm not really sure why these relatively harmless information lines are getting removed, nor am I really a fan of it, but if I can't mention them anymore I will happily oblige.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:04, 7 January 2025 (EST)
:They're being removed because "toy first showed up at a random store in Asia" is not useful information. That's how toy retail has worked for decades. Hasbro deigning to announce some product doesn't make it the standard. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:57, 7 January 2025 (EST)
::Oh, ok, I'll keep that in mind from now on.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 23:11, 7 January 2025 (EST)

==First revealed at (some regular online update)==
On a similar note to the international sightings, what do people think of "toy was first revealed in Hasbro Instagram post / Fans First Friday / Pulse livestream of whatever date," etc.? We note this constantly, because it's another fact to include about a just-announced toy nobody owns yet. A year later it looks unimportant. Is this something we like and value, or more of a space-filing habit? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:34, 8 January 2025 (EST)
:I think it's a lot of blather, but at least it's documenting Hasbro marketing as opposed to random retail appearances. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:25, 8 January 2025 (EST)
: I'm lukewarm at best on 'em. But often these announcements are followed up almost immediately by pre-orders opening up through official channels, and that feels a bit more... noteworthy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 12:31, 8 January 2025 (EST)
: Seems pretty relevant to me! There's value in preserving a toy's history, after all. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 10:14, 6 April 2025 (EDT))

==Update Navigation==
Should the Navigation sidebar be changed to replace [[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]] with [[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]] or should we wait a bit?--[[User:CyclonustheWarrior|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior|talk]]) 20:49, 2 February 2025 (EST)
:Good question. I think we could change it now since almost all of wave 1 is out at retail over in Asia, but I’ll wait for someone higher than me to make the final decision lol - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 23:10, 5 February 2025 (EST)

==Adding a "Transformers in [Country name]" section to country articles==
So, by some weird coincidence, a lot of my edits in these past months have involved expanding on the quirks of how individual aspects of the Transformers brand were represented in countries like [[Brazil]], [[Argentina]], [[Greece]], and [[Portugal]] - however; something that I've noticed is that there's usually no comprehensive summary of this information in the actual pages we have for those countries, with most or all of it being restricted to the individual articles regarding those things instead (for instance; Argentina had a whole three companies that produced Transformers toys with [[Antex]], [[Comando Toys]], and [[Lynsa]], but none of them are even mentioned in Argentina's page!). As such, and in the spirit of making our wiki more international, I propose that we add a small section to every country page specifically regarding the presence of the Transformers brand within it.

Some information that could go into these sections, if available (naturally, not ''everything'' here needs to be mentioned):
* When Transformers media first premiered in the country
* When Transformers toys first released in the country
* Previous releases of [[pre-Transformers]] in the country, if any (e.g.; Italy's ''Trasformer'', the UK's ''Convertors'', Finland's ''Diaclone'', etc.)
* Brands that might have made toys or merchandise for Transformers in the country, if any (e.g.; [[Estrela]] in Brazil, [[IGA]] in Mexico, [[GiG]] in Italy, [[El Greco]] in Greece, etc.)
* Notable figures, variants, and/or entire toylines that are exclusive to the country, if any (obviously, a fully comprehensive list would be difficult for a country like Japan, but it seems feasible for others here.)
* Transformers media that's unique to the country, if any (again; it would be hard to form a comprehensive list for Japan or the US, but it might not be too difficult elsewhere.)
* Peculiar quirks and factoids regarding the distribution of Transformers toys in the country, if any (e.g.; Galaxy Shuttle releasing in Italy, Star Saber releasing in Portugal, Spain's translated G1 blister cards, [[Sonokong]]'s many odd releases of Transformers toys in South Korea, etc.)
* Transformers-connected artists that were born in the country (e.g.; Brazil's [[Marcelo Matere]], Spain's [[José Avilés]], etc.)
* Perhaps some notable aspects of the fandom in the country (e.g., fan organizations, conventions - whether they're [[Convention|official]] or [[Unofficial conventions|unofficial]] - etc.)

Editing these sections could also make for a pretty fun multinational effort: certainly, Transformers fans from all over the world have pretty unique knowledge about the brand in their regions that's undocumented until now, and it would be pretty cool for them to visit the pages for their respective countries and see a section that basically invites them to add that knowledge. If this idea seems acceptable then I would be happy to move ahead with introducing the section to some of the countries that I'm most familiar with (mostly in Europe and Latin America) - let me know what everyone else thinks! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 10:07, 6 April 2025 (EDT))
:I like this idea! I think it’ll be really helpful for both readers and the site’s general organization to have information about international Transformers products and media on their respective countries’ pages. I’m not too well-versed in the foreign aspects of the brand outside of Japan, but I do know one piece of information we can add to Russia’s page is that ''Masterforce'' was the first show to air there :D - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 10:47, 6 April 2025 (EDT)
::I had no idea about that, how interesting! Hopefully more people can give the go-ahead to this. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:04, 6 April 2025 (EDT))
:::This strikes me as a proposal with a lot potential if we can get enough manpower behind it. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 17:00, 6 April 2025 (EDT)
:I've made versions of this proposed section for the Portugal, Spain, and Brazil pages, and posted them on [[User:FortressMaxxing/Sandbox|my sandbox]]. Any thoughts would be welcome! Also, shouldn't we maybe add the country flags to their respective pages? The Wikipedia SVGs are on public domain, so I guess we could just import those. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:43, 7 April 2025 (EDT))
::I like the way these early write-ups look, it could prove very interesting. Though we should only add the country flags if they appeared in fiction, as we do with the [[Soviet Union]] or [[United States of America]]. Otherwise it's just not important. Every country has a flag, you don't need to come ''here'' to look at them or find out their capital cities, populations, national birds, etc. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:01, 7 April 2025 (EDT)
:::I mean, if we're also to discuss the "meta" details of Transformers in the country - meaning that the pages are no longer restricted to just fiction - then I think it makes sense to at least have a country flag up on the opening paragraph, no? I'm not saying we need to add an Wikipedia-like infobox with the capital and population count and whatever else, but if we also have stuff like logos for companies in their respective pages then it makes sense to at least have what's basically the largest and most important international identifier that a country has attached to a page about it. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:29, 7 April 2025 (EDT))
:Given how there seem to be no objections to this project, I hope that it's fine to begin adding these sections to their respective pages during this weekend. I have added entries for Argentina, Italy, and Greece [[User:FortressMaxxing/Sandbox|to my sandbox]], so, together with the other three I previously shared; that will be six "The Transformers franchise in X country" sections coming from me - hopefully others will also be interested in adding similar sections to the pages of whatever countries they're most familiar with! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 18:37, 11 April 2025 (EDT))
::I think the names could be simplified to "Transformers in X". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:51, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:::That was actually close to the previous name I had in this topic ("The Transformers in X") before renaming it because I thought it could be a little ambiguous, haha - but actually, I think you're right, "Transformers in Brazil" / "Transformers in Greece" / etc. does sound better and I guess all the ambiguities are kinda cleared up in context of the contents of the sections themselves! "Transformers in X" it shall be then, I've now again renamed this topic accordingly. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 20:06, 11 April 2025 (EDT))
::::Yeah, it could be an ambiguous statement by itself, but we're not making "Transformers in Brazil" for all the fictional times Transformers characters appeared in Brazil because that's already covered by [[Brazil]] itself. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:29, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:Ayo, I posted the first batch of "Transformers in X" sections a few days ago in the [[Portugal]], [[Spain]], [[Italy]], [[Greece]], [[Brazil]], and [[Argentina]] pages! There are still way more countries that need a similar level of development and since I won't be able to do all of them alone, I wanted to highlight at least the most important ones in the hopes that maybe other users will have an interest in working on them. So, here are '''the pages that most urgently need a "Transformers in X" section''' (plus '''some of the things they should mention'''):

* [[Japan]], obviously: The birth of the transforming robot as a Japanese cultural product (see [[Yonezawa Toys|Yonezawa]] and some of the later transforming robot toys leading up to Takara's Cosmo Countach and eventually the Diaclone Car Robots), the country's transition from Diaclone to Transformers, the introduction of the original show to Japan, a brief mention of the original media and toylines that were only released there, an assessment of the popularity of the franchise in Japan relative to other 'giant robot'-centric media like Gundam and NGE (Also, I've noticed that there is already a small "non-fiction" section that briefly touches on the importance of Japan to the Transformers: it could be used as a starting basis, and I guess that it also suggests someone already had the idea for a similar wiki-project!)
* The [[United States of America|United States]], also quite obviously: Brief summarization of the birth and sustained popularity of the Transformers brand in America, the most prominent retail exclusives that were only launched in U.S. stores, BotCon and all the other big fan conventions
<s>* [[United Kingdom]]: Received a pair of pre-Transformers toylines with the Grandstand Convertors and Tandy's Galactic Man, the UK Marvel Transformers comic, large conventions like TFNation and TFUKcon</s> '''(Done!)'''
* [[France]]: Received a pre-Transformers toyline with [[Joustra|Ceji / Joustra]] releasing Diaclone, Orli Jouet's Robotrack, later Joustra-made G1 Transformers toys, original cartoon had a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itPo0Q9zmrc|a pretty funky unique theme song], major national toy company [[Majorette]] would briefly become a Transformers licensee in the 2000s
* [[Finland]]: Received a pre-Transformers toyline with Takara directly releasing Diaclone, "black Tracks" was unique to it (and later homaged with [[Loudpedal]])
* [[China]]: Hasbro factories, the Chinese G1 reissue toyline, the commercial success of Age of Extinction and how it brought about a sharp rise in the popularity of Transformers across the country, [[Nezha: Transformers (franchise)|Nezha]]
* [[South Korea]]: The unusual line-ups of [[Young Toys]] and [[Sonokong]], the mystery of [[ToonTown]]
* [[Mexico]]: [[IGA]] and their unique variants of G1 figures
* [[Venezuela]] (which somehow doesn't exist yet despite [[Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 17|already having an in-fiction mention]]?): [[Rubiplas]] made some unique Mini-Vehicles
<s>* [[Peru]]: [[Lynsa]] released multiple unique Mini-Vehicles in both countries, Museo Transformers</s> '''(Done!)'''
* [[Chile]]: Also received [[Lynsa]] Mini-Vehicles
* [[Vietnam]]: Major manufacturing hub for Transformers toys '''(Work in progress)'''
* [[Germany]]: GAMA's "Trans Robot" (pre-Transformers Omega Supreme), had the biggest Transformers convention in continental Europe until it dissolved not too long ago

:On an unrelated note, check out these fancy new GoBoxes down below! If anyone wants to do more in this style (quirky collage of country flag, plus national iconography, plus a Transformer toy that's emblematic of that specific country in some way) then that'd be pretty sweet! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 17:47, 16 April 2025 (EDT))
<center>
[[File:GB-Portugal.jpg|link=Portugal]] [[File:GB-Greece.jpg|link=Greece]] [[File:GB-Brazil.jpg|link=Brazil]]
</center>
::Hey, I noticed that a lot of your claims aren't really sourced, it would be nice if you could cite your sources for us. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 08:01, 21 April 2025 (EDT)
:::For sure! A lot of what's been added to these pages isn't cited because it is already discussed at greater length in their respective articles (and usually cited in said articles) - nonetheless; I will go ahead and add a more extensive round of sources soon. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 12:54, 21 April 2025 (EDT))
:::: Great! Remember to post about that here when it happens. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 13:45, 21 April 2025 (EDT)
::::: All done, I've provided as many citations for whatever information's more obscure or not as well-documented in the English web as I could! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 16:21, 21 April 2025 (EDT))
:::::: Thank you! I appreciate it, though I have noticed that your source about Portuguese people seeing Star Convoy on retail is only available to members of the Facebook group. I understand that information for things like this is hard to come by so if can't change it it's alright but it would be great if you could list a publicly available source instead. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 08:58, 22 April 2025 (EDT)
::::::: Oops, I didn't realize that Transformers Portugal was private on Facebook - but let this not be a problem, because I've just added a translated screenshot to that citation instead! Although I must also add that, unfortunately, I don't know how to really cite the later portion of that trivia - that Star Convoy is also really common on the Portuguese secondary market - because this is basically the product of my own personal experience of living in Portugal and seeing at least four loose Star Convoys on the Portuguese secondary market in the past couple of years across various occasions, all of them being the original version with the white trailer rather than the later reissue (thus suggesting that they come from the aforementioned retail distribution), and all of them being sold for really cheap prices rounding just ~20-40 euros from people who clearly did not know about this being an unusual toy (I got one myself one circa ~2022!). It's just that I frankly didn't know how to cite this in the page (Would "[[User:FortressMaxxing|This editor]] can attest to seeing an inordinate amount of Portuguese Star Convoy copies on the secondary market" be too anecdotal of a reference to have?), so... There's that. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 13:04, 22 April 2025 (EDT))
:::::::: Don't worry, the fist citation should be enough, now's the time to move on to the rest of the countries. I'm a bit busy at the moment but I might be able to take on the UK write up. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 13:53, 22 April 2025 (EDT)
::::::::: Sweet, I'll be excited to see what you write up! Tell us here when you do :) ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 13:58, 22 April 2025 (EDT))
:I made a first draft of the UK write-up at my sandbox [[User:Wildstrike/Sandbox/United_Kingdom|here]]. It is not at all done I'm passing this through the people to make sure I didn't get anything wrong, and to hear out any suggestions. Also I didn't mention the Tandy's Galactic Man figure because it doesn't seem to be exclusive to to the UK. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 11:14, 26 April 2025 (EDT)
::Hey, it's good, short but very well-cited! I do think Galactic Man merits at least a brief one-line mention since apparently the UK was the only other territory beyond the U.S. where it was released in (and also the UK Galactic Man might be slightly different, per how the pre-TF page describes him as [[Pre-Transformers#Pre-Transformers lines|"''almost'' identical"]]?), but otherwise, I have no disagreement with the information presented here. Very curious to see how you're gonna expand on that draft! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 18:46, 27 April 2025 (EDT))
:::Okay, I did a bit of research and according to the [https://astromagnum.blogspot.com/2024/04/galactic-man-tandy-radio-shack-shackwave.html Astro Magnum] blog the Tandy version of Galactic Man has slightly different packaging, different stickers, and is made of materials more resistant to the yellowing prevalent in the Radio Shack versions of the toy. I'll be sure to edit the draft when I have time. Also, I found about an [https://batterseapowerstation.co.uk/retailers/transformers/ official transformers store] at the Battersea power station which I plan on incorporating at some point. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 11:49, 28 April 2025 (EDT)
:Ooohh, here's a pretty cool thing that I found out which definitely should be added to the Peru page: there's a mall [https://www.facebook.com/MuseoTF with a Transformers toy museum within it], and apparently it's been in operation since 2020! It even features a display specifically for [https://scontent.flis9-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/483676983_1040341464571272_305592738604936521_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=OsCqdAxWZTQQ7kNvwGe1-WQ&_nc_oc=Adn6enKyI9P6hsp1VO2t492l7iu8t1CtWQCm3bbMYXOemGAOpKTj-0fB96Co-Jhqnm4&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.flis9-1.fna&_nc_gid=0aKRlr6ClLSdhzhjlFM8cA&oh=00_AfFq1ClChLr67ItyZAhHBe0MPRKxcrRFUfQLY48v0THRPA&oe=68149CCC Transformers stuff made in Peru], which I think would be a great photographic addition to the article :) ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 20:36, 27 April 2025 (EDT))

:I've finally expanded my write-up (link [[User:Wildstrike/Sandbox/United_Kingdom|here]]), and would like to receive comment on it if possible. As for the ''Transformers'' store I mentioned above, I'm not quite sure how to incorporate it into the rest of the article and am debating just leaving it in the notes section. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 12:06, 30 May 2025 (EDT)
::Hey, sorry for taking so long to review it but it's good! I think the Transformers store can be added as its own small (even if one-line) paragraph in the section, no need to throw it all the way down to notes when it's a definitely pretty relevant to the history of Transformers in the UK. Regardless, I'd say it's time to go live with that section! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 00:24, 12 June 2025 (EDT))
:::It's finally live baby! As you may have noticed, I decided to expand the section a little bit more and mention some of the other British people that have worked on Transformers over the years as well as [[BotCon Europe 1999]], I hope you're happy with all the changes. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 15:05, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:Per recent edits, I'm scratching out the UK and Peru pages off the list, as they now also have proper "Transformers in [Country]" sections (great job on the UK one by the way, it's pretty extensive and rich in information and I feel like I learned quite a few new things with it!). I also added Germany and Vietnam to the list, so if any TF fans from those nationalities are around to see this some help in filling those out wold be greatly appreciated! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 08:22, 18 June 2025 (EDT))

== Size of this page ==

Could someone archive the last year on this page? It's getting ridiculously long and is hard to scroll through. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 19:48, 15 April 2025 (EDT)
:Done. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:25, 15 April 2025 (EDT)

== ToonTown / Korean Transformers that might or might not be bootlegs ==
Hey, so... What do we do about [https://x.com/tfwiki/status/1036114311142363136?lang=ar this], and [https://lmb3.net/2024/12/29/blog-2500-toy-review-transformers-korean-modified-optimus-prime/ this], and [https://tformers.com/daily-prime-korean-generation-2-optimus-prime-gold-watch/43599/news.html this], and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYJ8Nev7DGo this]? It basically seems like there's a massive ambiguity as to whether or not these toys are bootlegs, and while at least one of them (see the recently-edited "Globo" section on the [[knockoff]] page) has distinct bootleg origins, it's also worth remembering that there is [[Radio AM Robot|at least one known case of a bootleg being later rebranded into an official Transformers toy]], so... Maybe this is not much of an indicator?

In the replies to that first tweet, there's a person who says that "[https://x.com/tfwiki/status/1036114311142363136/ Hasbro's legal stance is that if it has their copyright on the box, it is an official product. This is what they've told me in the past when inquiring about other products]". Assuming that this is the case, and given that all of these have a Hasbro copyright on their packaging despite how genuinely weird they are, should we add them to their respective character pages, as well as maybe creating a separate page for ToonTown as a Transformers-associated company? The [[Soundwave (G1)/merchandise#Transformers Gum|Soundwave]] and [[Starscream (G1)/merchandise#Transformers Gum|Starscream]] ''Transformers Gum'' tabs already mention their ToonTown releases, so it seems like it kind of follows to add the others, no? I've left them a mention on the knockoff page as of now, but it would be good to get a final decision as to where exactly they should stay on this wiki. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 21:58, 19 April 2025 (EDT))
:Decades ago, [[Raksha]] wrote that the Toon Town stuff had been released in both South Korea and Taiwan (https://web.archive.org/web/20080917123934fw_/http://www.plumed-serpent.com/swartifacts.html). Added to what you wrote above, I believe that is the sum of all the knowledge we have on the issue, so it would be hard to write an article about it. I agree that since we have the Soundwave and Starscream stuff, the other confirmed releases are fair game to include too. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:18, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
::Here's another one, this time not saying Toon Town, still showing the "real" logos and symbols, and said by its owner to be a knockoff: https://toy-wizards.com/2019/03/16/super-rare-korean-transformers-toys-at-tf-con-and-the-conspiracy-theory-behind-them/?amp I'm really drawing a blank on Toon Town and it is possible we will never get enough verified info to be worth an article here. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:53, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::One more source for now: http://fredsworkshop.com/vkorea.html --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:57, 7 May 2025 (EDT)

::::Argh, another, and with even more links at the bottom, and were no closer to a conclusive truth. http://fredsworkshop.com/vkorea5.html --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:05, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::For what it's worth, I think it'd be good to have a page laying out the ambiguity of the matter, explaining what we know and how hard to verify it all is. Sorta like the [[unknown Generation 1 animation studios]]. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 19:35, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::: Yeah, I'd agree with this. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:45, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
::::::: Seconding this, it seems like we have more than enough to at least create an article about this weird company that explains the ambiguity. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 01:15, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:Alright, as per the above discussion, the [[ToonTown]] article is now up! I didn't go over every source mentioned here yet and therefore still haven't added every ToonTown-branded figure to it (and neither to the character pages, the currently existing wikilinks just to go their broader toy sections for now), but hopefully this is a good start. Would love to see your contributions to this page, if you have any to give! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:09, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::Update, the remaining ToonTown toys and merchandise that I could find has also been added. Turn out to be a shorter affair than expected! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:53, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:::Thank you for setting this up so quickly! I am doing my best to state very clearly that these might or might not be legit, that if they're knockoffs they aren't like your typical ones... The last thing I'd ever want would be for this wiki to give people the sense that fake stuff was real, but we can present the nebulous case and leave it to readers to judge. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:58, 8 May 2025 (EDT)
::::All good! This is just such an interesting case that it does really feel like it needs to be in the wiki insofar as we don't know whether or not they're fake. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:07, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::Hey, Google Lens led me to the discovery of another ToonTown oddity and I'd love some community help in finding out more about it before it's added into the article: [https://m.blog.naver.com/eoiipp/130144214329 This Optimus Prime model kit] doesn't appear to be based on any Kabaya / Transformers Gum kit that I know of (and the Transformers Gum section on the Optimus merchandise page says that his ToonTown kit comes as a pack-in with Starscream rather than being a standalone like this one), and in fact; he actually looks to be fairly sizable and complex compared to the usual Kabaya affair. On [https://m.totoy.com/product/%EB%AF%B8%EB%8B%B4%EC%82%B0%EC%97%85-%ED%8A%B8%EB%9E%9C%EC%8A%A4%ED%8F%AC%EB%A8%B8-g2-%EB%A1%9C%EB%B4%87-%ED%8A%B8%EB%A0%88%EC%9D%BC%EB%9F%AC-%EC%98%B5%ED%8B%B0%EB%A8%B8%EC%8A%A4-%ED%94%84%EB%9D%BC%EC%9E%84/5333/ this listing] for the same kit, you can zoom in and see what seems to be the usual ToonTown / 3D Licensing International markings, but most importantly; both of those links identify him as being made by a company called "Midam Industry" which even seems to have its own unique logo on the upper right corner of the toys (albeit it's pretty difficult to make out with how low-res all these pictures are), but that I can't find anything about them on the web. Does anyone know more about this Midam Industry Optimus, as well as maybe potentially being aware of other kits from the same series? Cheers! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 16:46, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:::After searching for a little while, I believe that this is, in fact, the only Transformers kit released by Midam Industry (although it has a handful of variants!), thus; it - as well as a Midam Industry entry - has been added to their respective pages. I've taken the liberty to classify it as a toy rather than a piece of merchandise since it is, for the standards of a Transformers model kit, actually a fairly elaborate and fully-transforming model that doesn't really seem to count as "merchandise" in the same way that Transformers Gum stuff does (it doesn't even come with any food!) - hopefully others will be in agreement on this. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:16, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::::And, just as I thought I was done with editing the ToonTown page for the day, I realized that the packaging for these kits advertises other kits, even though no pictures of those seem to be available. Aw well, duty calls... ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:31, 8 May 2025 (EDT))

== Proposing a "The Transformers (Latin American toylines)" page ==
So the title is self-explanatory, but basically; I've noticed that our Generation 1 navbox is missing the many, many Latin American Transformers G1 toylines like those produced by [[Estrela]], [[Antex]], [[Lynsa]], [[IGA]], etc. Since there might be way too many for them to all to be individually listed in the navbox, and since we already have the "[[The Transformers (toyline)]]" (for the US toyline), "[[The Transformers (European toyline)]]", "[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1 (Japanese toyline)]]", and "[[The Transformers (Chinese toyline)]]" pages all on the navbox, shouldn't we also make a "The Transformers (Latin American toylines)" page where we list all of the known releases from the various Latin American toylines, with the eventual addition of some "Main article" tags for the manufacturers of each of those toylines? ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:49, 24 April 2025 (EDT))
:I don't think the toyline or name was consistent across Latin America, so it would be more "Generation 1 toylines in Latin America"?
::That's fair, it is true that most of them removed the 'The' prefix and were usually just called ''Transformers''. Since we don't use the ''The Transformers'' name for the Japanese toyline page then it does make sense to also not use it in this instance. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 22:33, 24 April 2025 (EDT))
:[[Generation 1 toylines in Latin America|Page has been made!]] ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 17:17, 25 April 2025 (EDT))

== Free Comic Book Day Worst Bot Ever preview ==

I know it’s standard procedure not to create articles for comic issues until the issue actually comes out, even if a small preview is officially released online. But I’m wondering if the Ballpoint preview issue should be an exception? It is just the online page preview Skybound put out a few months ago (I believe with a couple new pages), but since it is an officially released physical comic issue that new fans will be picking up and wanting to research, I figure there’s an argument to create the article now with what we know and simply update it when the graphic novel proper comes out. For now, the article would cover what’s in the FCBD issue, and when it comes out proper we’d add to/replace it with a full synopsis and include a note about how the first 16 pages were released on FCBD. Thoughts? [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 16:58, 3 May 2025 (EDT)

== Shattered Glass and cross-continuity-family pages ==

Felt like this was worth being discussed in its own section, so: at present, [[Unicron]], [[Primus]] and [[Alpha Trion]] all have dedicated "Shattered Glass" subpages suited out. They're unique in this respect; every other page for concepts that span multiple continuity families keep the Shattered Glass versions on the same page as everything else. A good example is [[Spark]]; even though Embers have a different name and are supposedly fundamentally different in the mirror universe, they still share a page. If we're going to treat Unicron, Primus and the Thirteen like cross-continuity concepts, rather than how we treat most characters, then I don't think we should make an exception to that for Shattered Glass.

To be clear, '''this is NOT proposing that we merge all Shattered Glass characters into their G1 counterparts'''. My position is that Shattered Glass is its own continuity family, and so we keep their pages separate, and I don't think there's something special about Shattered Glass that makes it an exception to what we're doing with the cross-continuity pages. Input would be appreciated. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:52, 14 May 2025 (EDT)
: I agree. Especially because Primus and Unicron have about a paragraph's worth of information on them each. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 18:21, 14 May 2025 (EDT)
: SG is different enough that the character pages should be separated somehow. Otherwise it’d be jarring for those unfamiliar with SG to have the one batshit crazy evil Alpha Trion in and amongst all the nice ones. Personally, I’m on the same boat as Sabrblade back up in the Thirteen discussion from a few months ago. I think suite pages are a useful tool, not a necessary evil. It’s somewhat subjective, but I can see suite pages used in this way for other cross-continuity concepts where one universe diverges far enough from the norm. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 18:49, 15 May 2025 (EDT)
::Moreso than one crazy evil [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] in and among all the nice ones? I don't think you're giving readers enough credit, frankly. If we opened the section "In one mirror universe, Alpha Trion was not a kindly mentor, but a cruel manipulator" I don't think anyone would think twice. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:25, 15 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Touché. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 02:04, 16 May 2025 (EDT)
:I was waiting to weigh in until the Alpha Trion merge was fully complete, but I now feel comfortable saying this strikes me as basically reasonable, both conceptually and in terms of the small volume of material involved. The Fallen's [[The Fallen#Shattered Glass|''Shattered Glass'' content]] is already folded into his main page by necessity, after all. I do think people might feel less skittish if we more clearly telegraphed that the 13+2 were unique character/concept article hybrids not to be used as precedent down the food chain. Maybe something like:
::* Category:Concept-Characters
::*With a description like, "These subjects act as facets of the ''Transformers'' brand's baseline worldbuilding first and characters in their own right second. For the defunct fictional concept riffing on this phenomenon, see [[multiversal singularity]]."
:Is that anything? --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:20, 26 May 2025 (EDT)
::I like that idea. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 20:52, 26 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Seems like an excellent idea to me! --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 00:07, 27 May 2025 (EDT)
::::Yeah, seems alright for now. However, I do think it's worth having some kind of plan in place in case a concept-character winds up getting expanded on in the future. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 04:50, 2 June 2025 (EDT)
::::: I do like the category idea. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:51, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
Last call for objections before I go ahead with this? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:01, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:I think there's an exception to be made for Alpha Trion, as the SG page is pretty long, and still incomplete, but otherwise, yeah; was surprised by how short SG Primus and Unicron's articles are. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 16:24, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:: It's not very long compared to the rest of the page, especially considering the toys are already on Trion's toys page. I feel like if we were gonna split a section off for length reasons it'd be Generation 1. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 20:55, 12 June 2025 (EDT)

== Interwiki link request ==

Having reached another milestone in my ongoing project to document the non-''Transformers'' [[back-up strips]] printed in the Marvel UK book, I'd like to request that tfuk.app (<tt><nowiki>https://tfuk.app/wiki/$1</nowiki></tt>) gets added to the interwiki table. Thanks. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 11:11, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
:Goddamn, this is an incredible amount of work: more than being added to the interwiki table, it frankly feels worthy of being pinned into the "sister wikis" section on the opening page. Great job! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 12:08, 20 May 2025 (EDT))
::Seconding Fortress on front page sister wiki status, frankly. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:31, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Thirded on adding it to the sister wikis list, that’s amazing. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 16:07, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Fourthing! -- [[User:DannyBoy|DannyBoy]] ([[User talk:DannyBoy|talk]]) 10:19, 21 May 2025 (EDT)
:That seems eminently reasonable: [[tfuk:Main Page|The Transformers UK Appendix]] --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:15, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Thank you! [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 17:32, 20 May 2025 (EDT)

== Skybound’s Marvel compendium edits ==

So I’ve got Skybound’s [[The Transformers Compendium Volume 1]] in hand and am reading it. I was under the impression that Skybound was, for the most part, just using IDW’s Classics reprint with maybe some polish here and there, but comparing Skybound’s version to the wiki notes about IDW classics edits, there are actually several changes from those that are going to need to be noted on each issue’s article. (For instance, the Wheeljack/Hoist panel comparison on [[I, Robot-Master!]] has a new color scheme to add to it.) Are we gonna want to make a new section on each article underneath the “Classics edits” one? Are we gonna want to wait until the Kickstarter-exclusive versions come out so we can do it all at once? (I’m just talking about differences I’ve noticed while ''skimming'' articles; I imagine there are lots more. This is the first time I’ve read the comic and thus I don’t have originals/IDW reprints to directly compare to. Just something I wanted to bring to your guys’ attention.) [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 02:04, 1 June 2025 (EDT)
:Making a new section under "Classics Edits" seems like the best move. As for the second question, I feel it would be best if we started making note of the changes now so that there will be less work to when the Kickstarter exclusives do release. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 04:58, 2 June 2025 (EDT)

== Continuity of origin listings? ==
I happened to see the [[Sentius Magnus]] and [[Sentius Malus]], and that sent me looking to see if there were any other new characters unique to [[Transformers: Earth Wars|Earth Wars]]. When I couldn't find any such listing, I realized I don't think we have any real way to identify original characters by their original continuity. Might it make sense to have, say, categories for brand-new characters that originated in each continuity? i.e. "Earth Wars original characters" or "IDW 2005 original characters" or "Marvel comics original characters", etc? Or, if not categories, some way of compiling that information? Also, to be clear, I wouldn't consider characters that began as toys to be original to whatever fiction they first appeared in; this would just be for the likes of the aforementioned Sentius twins, or [[Xaaron]], or [[Devcon (G1)|Devcon]], or [[Tarn (G1)|Tarn]]. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:29, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
:I think that would be a good idea, and very helpful organization-wise. (Also, you’re correct in that there are no other TFEW-original characters beyond maybe SB Optimus Prime and SB Megatron.) - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 09:09, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
: I feel that would be unnecessary, fans can find it out by looking at the work page. [[User:Vrung|Vrung]] ([[User talk:Vrung|talk]]) 16:53, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
::Unless there's a way I missed, the only way to "figure it out" by looking at the work page is to individually check the pages for every single listed character appearance to see if they've ever appeared anywhere else. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 20:33, 16 June 2025 (EDT)

==Concept characters and sorting by continuity family==
Based on discussions above, I've implemented [[:Category:Deep lore characters|Category:Concept characters]] to cover things like the Thirteen and Primus and Unicron. However, I've noticed that these pages seem to have been rearranged so they aren't sorted by continuity family, except in the case of the movie and Aligned families? I gather that it's to "preserve the flow of conceptual development", but that seems silly when we have "conceputal history" sections on the relevant characters. Other concept pages (e.g. [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] are sorted by family, so this just seems unintuitive. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 19:49, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:I agree; we've always tried to sort concepts and ideas by continuity family and it's more confusing if we start arbitrarily enforcing this standard on some pages but not on others. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 20:00, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::I concur that how we've been organizing big pages like this by continuity family makes sense, especially if they have "Conceptual history" sections. Like, it's weird to jump around from a G1 section, to a Beast Era section, to a UT section, and then back to a G1 section, then to a Movie section, then Aligned, then back to another G1, then back to another Movie, then back to G1 again, then Cyberverse, then G1 again, then another Movie, and so forth. Just let the "Conceptual history" sections do their job. And if there isn't one, then, well... why not make one? They only ''enhance'' each article that has one. I'd say an article like "[[Cybertron (planet)]]" could definitely benefit from a good "Conceptual history" section of its own. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 20:00, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:::Agreed on all fronts. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:20, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
I think if we're going to have cross-continuity pages for whatever reason, because the "continuity family" thing isn't working... why then organize the pages that way? "G1 continuity family" is a unit of wiki organization, not a Real Thing either narratively or creatively, unlike Aligned or Movieverse. That feels like trying to have our cake and eat it—either we're organizing things by continuity family or we aren't. IDW Megatronus is more linked to Aligned Megatronus than Dreamwave Fallen. Why does it make sense to put IDW and Dreamwave together in terms of the character? Forget arbitrary wiki categorization for a minute and ask what's the intended throughline there. Are we presenting the character's evolution in a logical way or are we simply sticking to continuity families because arbitrary wiki organization? (Also an excessive amount of tiny headers as you force them all down one level looks awful.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:00, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:I don't buy that "movieverse" is any less arbitrary than "G1 continuity family". None of the Alpha Trion entries sorted under "movie continuity family" have anything to do with each other. I would argue that using continuity families for these pages provides a reasonable measure of organisation to make it easier to find specific fiction entries rather than having to scroll through the entire history of the character. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 21:19, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::Not to beat the dead horse, but that's why we had separate pages in the first place. Movieverse fiction uses the movies as the fundamental springing board for their narrative (and is especially relevant to the Fallen). G1 does not have that and is purely organized by aesthetics and convenience. Why are Cyberverse, EarthSpark, and Wild King not "G1" while IDW1 is? Arbitrary convenience. Which is fine, but it still drills in the point that it's not a meaningful categorization narratively or creatively, especially if we're going to eschew it at the article level regardless. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:51, 18 June 2025 (EDT
:::I simply think we should be consistent about how we sort fiction sections within "concept" articles. To use [[Cybertron (planet)]] as an example again, should we no longer organise the fiction entries on that page by continuity family? If you think so, fine, but I think that's a poor idea. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 21:55, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::::That page seems to eschew the Fiction header in the first place (which does take care of my tiny header complaint, I suppose), so it's not quite consistent to begin with. But I don't really consider location and character pages to have the same considerations; Cybertron is pretty much the same across all continuities (backstory varies, yes, but mechanical homeworld of the Transformers is always the status quo) while characters are always shifting, changing, and bringing forward new ideas into next iterations. (Gun to my head, yes, I would prefer chronological, but planet articles are not a priority to me.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:09, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:::::Right, but the thing about the Thirteen et al is that they ''don't'' have the same considerations as other characters, so we treat them the same as other cross-continuity concept articles. I don't think they should have their own unique format that's the only thing on the wiki that ''completely'' eschews continuity families for organisation. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:59, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
Two questions: 1. Are we talking about just the organization of Thirteen/Primus/Unicron pages or across the board, new standard for all pages? 2. For either side (organize by continuity family vs organize by chronology/release date), are there examples of pages with either formatting that can serve as proof of concepts or visuals that show why that specific way is the better one? [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 21:15, 18 June 2025 (EDT)

Bit of an aside but is there a different or more distinct category name we could use? For me and most tf fans I know "Concept characters" brings to mind "concept art" characters, aka unused designs and the like. I think renaming it to "Cross-continuity concept characters" or something similar would make it clearer. —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 22:39, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:That would be fine by me, yeah. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:59, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::Yeah, this was the problem that jumped out at me when I first saw the term proposed. Some other suggestions: continuity-agnostic, pan-continuity, meta-continuity, conceptual, lore, mythological, cosmological, multiversal, archetypal, foundational. I don't have a strong preference, just throwing these out there. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 12:54, 19 June 2025 (EDT)
:::conceptual, lore, and mythological feel a bit too... intangible ig? multiversal is way too close to multiversal singularity imo. I'd say continuity-agnostic, pan-continuity or meta-continuity would all be good. (personally leaning towards meta-continuity) [[User:Arren1234|--Arren Meuchel]] ([[User talk:Arren1234|talk]]) 14:41, 19 June 2025 (EDT)

I'm definitely sympathetic towards [[User:Saix|Saix]] with regards to this specific change. The Thirteen are pretty much the tentpole for the "aligned" worldbuilding which pretty much marked the ''end'' of continuity families in the traditional sense, from a creative perspective at Hasbro (not that the concept was one they were considering to begin with). As he says, everything is G1 now, IDW is aligned, ''Cyberverse'' is IDW, and so on. After consideration I prefer the way he's laid it out. ''However'', there's also obviously an argument to be made from a wiki-consistency standpoint, and I want to state for the record that I don't think such a major reorganisation of those pages' contents should have been implemented without a consensus being reached on talkpages ''first''. This should have been a sandboxed proposal, not just something that was done hoping nobody would notice or care enough to raise an objection themselves. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 12:54, 19 June 2025 (EDT)

I apologize if I'm a bit off-base here, since I haven't been following these discussions as closely as some, but it seems to me that there are fundamentally two different things that are being presented here: the evolution of the character concept, and the actual fictional history of the various iterations of the character. If that's the case, wouldn't a good solution be to make a separate section for the former while continuing to organize the latter by continuity family like every other page? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 14:57, 19 June 2025 (EDT)

== Commentary trivia ==

Something I find a bit sad is commentary sounding Trivia having to be deleted from episode pages. Those are funny and can be interesting to see, shame they also hog space. Can there be a middle ground where I cam dump them into, say, wild king episodes Synopsis without sounding...unprofessional? (Because the commentary is one of the best parts of some episode descriptions...)[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 00:02, 3 July 2025 (EDT)

== Mentioned characters ==

Something I did back when I was revamping our coverage of the BotCon/Club stuff was add a "mentioned characters" section to the notes; for examples, see [[Cybertron's Most Wanted]], [[Gone Too Far]], and other stories linked to on the [[Transformers Timelines (fiction)]] page. It's something that we lack on other pages, and I think that it's worth implementing; in particular, when looking through some of James Roberts' work recently for a side project, I was struck by how often characters that otherwise never appear on page are mentioned. What I wanna propose is adding something like to this our media pages in general.

The Problem: I think that the benefits speak for themselves, but it does also come against the fact that we have hundreds (if not thousands) of episodes/comics/other media by this point, and that it's going to be a non-trivial amount of work getting this up to speed. For that reason, I don't really think a template is the best way to go about, especially if they're going to be sitting empty until someone goes back to read those comics or rewatch that episode or whatever. What I do think might be worth considering is that we add in something about doing it for media pages in their notes section here on out, so that we can have a headstart on at least the currently published stuff; once it becomes something feasible for a template on various pages, then I think we can revisit that idea. For my end, I've been contemplating a re-read of the comics for a few years now, and I'm more than happy to add stuff over the time I do that.

If anyone has any suggestions or comments, please respond here. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:22, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
:I always liked how Wookieepedia lists every proper noun in "Appearances" sections ([https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_V_The_Empire_Strikes_Back#Appearances example]). I think this concept should expand to include locations, weapons, et al.—basically everything we would make a page for. Yes, it's work to add stuff, but that's editing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:32, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
::That sounds like something that could be pretty beneficial information-wise, even if it’s a lot of work. I can definitely start doing something like it for my ''Earth Wars'' write-ups as I go through the event stories. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 10:49, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
:I definitely remember thinking—back when you were regularly working on the Fun Publications pages—that your exhaustive approach to filling out the notes sections with mentioned characters and concepts was ''really useful'', but that it could stand to be formalised in some way. As you say, it'd be a huge amount of work to bring articles for even the most popular stories up to that standard. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 11:20, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
::I agree this is something it would be valuable to do going forwards. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]])

== Plagiarism on the other site ==
Basically every EarthSpark character page on the other site is a copy-paste of our own. Some of Cyberverse too. Do we care about this? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:34, 11 July 2025 (EDT)
:I think the important first question is whether there's any attribution (though I assume the answer will be no). -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 15:53, 11 July 2025 (EDT)
::As in, "this was written by TFWiki" or "this is a unique article we here at Fandom invented"? We can see which users have been doing the copy-pasting. There's one in particular who pasted in Earthspark content (just choose a character), another who has been doing some weapons (i.e. [[Electro-scrambler]]). I know full well that fan wikis tend to get copied, so if our position is to simply disregard everything Fandom does, we can stick to that. But their site has, supposedly, had a black-and-white policy dating right back to the split that copying from us is not allowed. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:29, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
:::I think it could be to try and make the fandom wikis page look as good the pages here are. I confess, I did the same to bulbapedia and the fandom pokemon wiki.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 13:12, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
:::I see no reason to not make a stink about it to whatever passes for admin there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:14, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
::::Thylacine - According to CC BY-SA 3.0, they are free to copy our material as long as they provide credit that it was copied from us. If they ''don't'' do that, and I'm very much assuming they don't, then we should absolutely raise hell about it, as M Sipher suggests.
::::As an example, after Wowpedia moved to wiki.gg and became Warcraft Wiki, Fandom put a blanket ban on linking to wiki.gg (for bullshit reasons) and so we've been aggressively deleting any Wowpedia pages that were copied from us because they are functionally unable to provide proper attribution and their staff fucked up and never depowered one of our admins. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 14:31, 13 July 2025 (EDT)a
:::::They are definitely not providing any credit, and they also still have ''as their very first listed policy'' "no copying from Wikipedia or TFWiki." transformers dot fandom dot com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki:Policies#Plagiarism --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:29, 13 July 2025 (EDT)

Their site lists four admins, of whom two are obviously long retired. One who was last active in May is the source of some of the plagiarism, and also showed themself to be unresponsive to multiple direct questions posted on their wall by Fandom higher-ups. That leaves the one who was last active in June. I wrote that one a message summarizing all this as best I can, bearing in mind that systematically comparing pages on some other peoples' wiki is not at all something I am interested in doing. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:02, 14 July 2025 (EDT)
:Honestly, failing any response from their admins (which I will imagine will be the case), I think anyone happening to spot plagiarised material can happily just go ahead and delete it on the spot, citing their own policy of not copying from TFWiki. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 10:11, 14 July 2025 (EDT)
::A response: transformers dot fandom dot com/wiki/Message_Wall:Moviejunkie2009

::I msged the other suggested admins, no response. I did NOT msg the suggested Fandom "community manager" because they have no reason to help us, if anything I expect their response would be to simply erase the relict, circa-2008 anti-plagiarism policy that the current community knows nothing about.

::I do ''not'' enjoy scanning their New Articles page every day and maxing out my allowed daily edits by blanking the neverending incoming pasted pages. I am going to stop doing this. It pisses me off that a zero-effort community can ignore its own rules and steal our work, but it feels even worse to compulsively devote my free time to marginally cleaning up a zero-effort community's messes. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 20:07, 17 July 2025 (EDT)

== The General commercial with Bumblebee and Shaq ==

I think we should have information on this commercial for The General with Bumblebee and Shaq:

https://tformers.com/watch-bumblebee-shaq-acting-up-in-new-the-general-insurance-spot/55134/news.html
--[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 13:11, 26 July 2025 (EDT)

== Maintenance heads up ==

Just to let everyone know, I'm going to take the site offline temporarily in about an hour for maintenance. Should not be offline for too long, hopefully. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:24, 29 August 2025 (EDT)
:And we're back. Thank you for your patience.--[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:43, 29 August 2025 (EDT)
::Thank you for your work, abates! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:53, 29 August 2025 (EDT)

== Coverage idea ==

We should add a "Major events" section to the episode articles. It helps keep track of events alongside continuity notes and could help finding specific episodes better.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 19:07, 16 September 2025 (EDT)
:Struggling to picture what exactly that would look like. --[[User:Arren1234 |Arren Meuchel]] [[User_talk:Arren1234 |(talk)]] 15:07, 17 September 2025 (EDT)
::Like a Major Events header, then the body text is any important Events that happen in the episode. (E.g. Darkest Hour in TFP: The autobot base is destroyed)[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 01:38, 13 October 2025 (EDT)
:::Perhaps you could put together an example on a sandbox page? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 06:55, 14 October 2025 (EDT)
::::Uh, idk how to make sandboxes. There are examples over on Bulbapedia though, so that should give a rough idea on what im suggesting. [[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 08:02, 14 October 2025 (EDT)

== Overview of pre-TF page ==
Hey, just posting here to provide a wiki-wide notification of sorts that I started an "Overview" section on the [[Pre-Transformers]] page and it's in dire need of some chunks of summarized information primarily regarding Diaclone and Micro Change and their respective Transformers localizations, as per the various stub markers left in specific sections. It feels like that page has been needing a proper written history of pre-TFs for a while now, so if anyone could help me fill it out then I'd be glad! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 22:14, 12 October 2025 (EDT))
:I'll see about taking a crack at the Diaclone bits as I can. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 00:37, 13 October 2025 (EDT)
::Thank you for volunteering, and wow, I had no idea about [[Horloge Robot]]: his page has now been made! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 05:06, 13 October 2025 (EDT))
:::Wahey, thank you! As you can imagine I'd been meaning to get around to that for ages. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:45, 13 October 2025 (EDT)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2025-10-13T05:38:44Z

Poliwag06: /* Coverage idea */

__NEWSECTIONLINK__

This is the place for discussion of topics that affect the entire wiki. For less wide-reaching subjects, either use articles' individual talk pages or [https://discord.com/invite/N99Bygq our Discord server.]

Some topics that would ordinarily be here have merited their own pages:

{{chapters|title=Specific Discussion Subjects|align=left|content=
<div class="list-header">'''Moving From Wikia:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving|Arriving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving|Leaving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal/Complaints|Complaints]]
 <div class="list-header">'''New Ad Policy:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki:Ads|Ads]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Bookworm Database-Crash:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central|Damage Control Central]]
* [[Project:Bookworm Crash]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving2|Leaving Take 2]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Server Move:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving2|Arriving Take 2]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Relicensing:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Relicensing|Relicensing]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Dealing With Vandalism:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Vandalism|Vandalism]]
 <div class="list-header">'''GoBots Sister Wiki:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/GoBots|Discussion on the place of GoBots in this wiki]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Wiki Technical Information:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki:Tech|A Not So Brief Summary of the Horrible Things That McFly and Co. Have Done To Keep This Wiki From Melting Down]]
}} 

{{:{{FULLPAGENAMEE}}/Archive}}


==The Thirteen and the other conversation we've been waiting for==

Over the last few years, the Thirteen have played a major role in multiple ''Transformers'' stories. However, this prominence—combined with Hasbro's increasingly loose approach their in-universe lore—has also led to increasingly divergent portrayals of the group and its individual members.

Around 2015, we took the step of consolidating all the different incarnations of the Thirteen on one page for each, with the rationale that the characters were former [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]], and mostly shared similar backstories and personalities between incarnations. However, even at the time, this was not a completely ideal comporomise. Most notably, the various [[Alpha Trion]]s were not consolidated into one, partly due to length and partly because the existence of his [[Alpha Trion#Shattered Glass|murderously insane evil counterpart]] represented a massive contradiction to the entire notion.

However, over the years, multiple authors have drastically reinterpreted the Thirteen and their story. The role of "Thirteenth Prime" has been filled by multiple contradictory characters—[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]], [[Zeta Prime (One)|Zeta Prime]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]—and individual depictions of the Primes themselves have grown increasingly divergent. "Shattered Glass" Alpha Trion is no longer the outlier, but rather an increasing trend: for instance, ''Transformers One'' features a completely heroic Megatronus who never becomes The Fallen, a Liege Maximo that looks nothing like Loki, and an incarnation of Nexus Prime that does not seem to be a combiner. With these data points in mind—and the potential for even further divergence in the coming years—I and several other editors feel that it may be time to reorganize our Thirteen coverage, splitting them out into individual [[continuity family]]-based incarnations the way we would for stock characters like [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)|Bumblebee]], etc.

However, if we do adopt this approach, some further problems would need to be solved.

* '''How do we handle toys?''' With a few exceptions like ''Revenge of the Fallen'' The Fallen, the toys of the Thirteen are clearly meant to be somewhat continuity-agnostic. ''Age of the Primes'' Solus Prime is about as faithful to her depiction in ''The Covenant of Primus'' as it is to ''One'' or any of the IDW comics in which she appears. Even if we count them as "repurposes" across multiple pages, the format of the wiki means they'd have to be based ''somewhere''...

* '''FunPub stuff''': The Vector Prime of "Ask Vector Prime" is clearly meant to be a version of the same Vector Prime who appeared in the ''Cybertron'' cartoon, but at the same time makes reference to off-camera events, such as a time when he and the Thirteen lived in Ancient Greece—would we make a separate "FunPub" page for the Thirteen, or try and work these events onto Unicron Trilogy pages when necessary? Other similar problems exist: "[[Coalescence]]" is a story that features a movie universe Fallen jumping into the world of ''Shattered Glass'', and AVP established that "The Evil One" of GoBots fame, is another alternate-universe incarnation of The Fallen/Megatronus.

Feedback on this proposal is appreciated! [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:50, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:From my point of view, I think as it stands right now my thoughts on the Thirteenth Prime stuff is that I absolutely understand the concerns, but for me personally it kind of falls into the same view as like, IDW Primus being Rung, which I think our current model handles fairly well. For the other Primes, I'm tempted to say that like...as it stands, there's about as much divergence there as like, Unicron as he's depicted in The Last Knight (not really shown to be aggressive beyond being called Cybertron's enemy), and as it stands right now, I don't think that's enough to say there should be a full-on split, but I do think it's worth thinking about future-proofing. And I suppose my main concern right now about pushing ahead too soon is in the event there's some fiction accompanying the Age of the Primes stuff; certainly, the fact that we're getting a toy of the Fallen with the Megatronus name but with the original Dreamwave design does make me hesitant that there might be some further consolidation of disparate elements; and I remember that last time we did this in the early 2010s was that we figured the idea of the Aligned Primes not having any connections to the others was going to be the standard going forward, which turned out not to be the case, and I figure it might be worth considering if something like that happens again. But! I am open to ideas of how to implement this if we do go for it; I think the suite options we have for Primus and Unicron work perfectly fine if we go for something like that. Just figure it's worth considering the stuff I've brought up here first. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:35, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Right now, I'm leaning toward the camp of not splitting them out for all the reasons you've given. I look at our current situation and, while not perfect, I feel that things can be tidied up simply with some "Conceptual history" sections for the pages that need them. The aforementioned Vector Prime is a particular case not just for everything stated about him above, but because [[Vector Prime: In the Beginning|his very first Fub Pub appearance]] written by [[Forest Lee]] leans so heavily far into the multiversal aspect of the character that it doesn't treat him like he is a native to the Cybertron cartoon universe but rather to the whole multiverse itself. Similarly, Nexus Prime was also continuity-agnostic by his very nature from the ground up. The safest solution for splitting him out would be to classify his Fun Pub incarnation under "(Timelines)" (the previous "(Classics)" tag we had him under was bleh), but that's typically a last-resort tag we have tried to avoid in the past.
::Regarding The Fallen, while he does tend to be evil in a majority of his depictions, and has had a few outlier cases where he either didn't go bad at all (TF One) or was the victim of other's manipulations (Covenant), it's implied that the majority of those evil versions weren't always evil from the start, and only went bad later. The TF One version of Megatronus never turned to the dark side, but one could argue that he was murdered before he ever would have gotten the chance to. ;-)
::Regarding the Thirteenth Prime and various conflicting the depictions, we solved that issue by simply creating the "[[Thirteenth Prime]]" article to explain everything there.
::You mention the situation with Alpha Trion, and I get it. The biggest reasons for simply not merging all of his pages together were that A) he was never originally meant to be one of the Thirteen since the original Dreamwave-based lore for the Thirteen had them all die before A3 was even born, and B) his Shattered Glass self. I used to be a proponent for keeping all of his versions separate because of A, but in the time since then we've had more and more depictions of him as a 13er who were all still pretty much the same as his traditional pre-Aligned depictions. If we were to merge all of his versions together, a "Conceptual history" section for him could explain the whole "Sometimes he's a 13er, sometimes he's not" situation.
::BUT, there still remains his SG version, which I wouldn't feel comfortable putting on the same page as his other versions. Reaching back to the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3F original discussion] about how to handle the SG characters, I find myself still agreeing with those like Steve-o who pointed out how awkward "'''Continuity X''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Continuity Y''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of different but still funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Shattered Glass''': Bumblebee is hardcore evil and wants to kill you for no particular reason. '''Continuity Z''': Bumblebee loves humans and does yet another set of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe." reads as a page. But, there is one thing we have nowadays that we did not have back when that original discussion was held and makes me wonder how differently the conversation might have gone if they had existed back then: Subpages. Looking at our [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] articles, I find it to be a very fair and workable compromise that their respective SG versions are placed not on their respective main pages but as subpages for each. Doing the same for SG Alpha Trion were we to merge all of the non-SG A3's together could be a valid solution too, in my eyes. Unlike others, I don't see subpages as an annoying evil that much be dealt with and eliminated, but as a handy tool to work around tricky situations like this.
::Had they even existed back then, it's very possible that ALL SG characters may have ended up on subpages for their positive polarity counterparts instead of separate pages entirely. And since then, SG has grown to expand not just beyond the original Fun Pub SG G1 continuity but to other non-G1 SG continuities, like for the Movies, Animated, and Cybertron, forcing us to create such unsightly tags as "(SG Movie)", "(SG Animated)", and "(SG Cybertron)", when subpages could have prevented that with "(Movie)/Shattered Glass" or "(Animated)/Shattered Glass" and so on.
::But, I'm getting off topic. Backing up to the Thirteen, I'm for keeping the Thirteen together. In addition to what all I've said above, the Age of the Primes toys seem to be treating them as the standard or definitive versions of the Thirteen that apply for every version/universe/continuity, pulling from all across the board rather than sticking to a single depicted version of them. Prima has his Aligned body but the Sunbow Powerful Robot's head. The Fallen is just the Dreamwave design but with Aligned Megatronus's weapons from the books and RID 2015 cartoon. Micronus is likely to be based on his RID 2015 design which was itself based on the Aligned design. The statue group artwork makes Amalgamous looks more like his TF One design than his Aligned design. Vector Prime is just straight-up Cybertron Vector Prime. And Star Convoy was never one of the Thirteen in any version before now. Yet, all these disparately-sourced designs are being treated as if they all belong to the same group no matter what continuity they come from. So keeping them together as they are would just make it easier for us to not have to split hairs over which versions of which 13ers these are supposed to be when the answer would simply be "all of the above" (and we wouldn't have to put multiple entries of the same toy on, like, six or seven different characters' pages that would have to maintained equally across all of those pages). This model makes this particular version of the group feel inherently multiversal, with each member either originating from a different universe as each other, or being a multiversal hybrids comprised of different aspects of different versions of them from across the dimensions, as if Hasbro is trying to say that the AOTP versions represent *every* version of the Thirteen (minus Star Optimus, of course, since we know he's not a member in every version of this group). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:01, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::As somebody who's pushed for this split for a long time, I'm obviously all for it. I feel we can easily determine where the toys go based on their main inspirations (Fallen is G1 Dreamwave, Micronus is Aligned RID, etc) are or just make the links go to the G1 pages (since G1 is effectively the wastebasket taxon of this franchise anyway). For the FunPub stuff, we can either do it Sideways style or just do it like we do for Kre-O and ancillary stuff: place them based on the characterization/design used by the work. Multiversal Vector Prime is pretty much just Cybertron Vector Prime (and the TransTech incarnation from the last portion of AVP can be split out).
:::I am pretty much opposed to "subpages" because that is just duplicating the parentheses system we already have just for the sake of pedantry. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:03, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::Fully agree with both Escargon and Sabrblade, and their reasoning. I am biased against splits pretty much as a matter of cause, but the Thirteen ''in particular'' have for most of their history (including now, in the continuity-agnostic ''Age of the Primes!)'' been defined by their multiversal nature. I just don't think a split would be helpful. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 16:05, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::So we need to wait five years of more non-multiversal stories to have this discussion again? That doesn't make sense. The COP version of the Thirteen weren't characterized as singularities in the first place, regardless; only FunPub cared about that aspect (and not even with the usual lineup we have now) and they tossed it because they realized it was an unworkable concept in this franchise and it's unlikely to ever get resurrected. It's been nearly a decade since the Shroud (the concept only existed from 2009-2015). You bring up AOTP but toylines clearly don't and never thought about those characters in terms of our organizational schema. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:19, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I think we can probably leave the most of the old content together, since it might be a mess to split them apart and much of that content is based on the Covenant mythos anyway. I feel new iterations of the Thirteen (post-POTP?) should get their own pages, like ''Earthspark'' Quintus and the ''One'' Primes (particularly Megatronus since he's quite different). Though I suppose that begs the question of what to use in the parentheses for their current pages... —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 13:10, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::How much of it is actually sticking to the Covenant? IDW1 had them be regular guys and some pre-Covenant stuff (notably Megatronus/Fallen) is more prominent for the character and not really compatible. Other Aligned stuff has also influenced other "continuity families", but we're not merging those articles, so I don't really see why this is different regarding the Thirteen. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:49, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I’m against splitting pages, mostly because The Thirteen haven’t had enough drastic and unique depictions of them to stop “breaking the rules” for them and give them split pages.
::> The Thirteen haven’t followed the traditional convention of “every character gets a new page for that universe’s depiction”, mostly because of the whole multiversal singularity issue. Now while that concept isn’t used in fiction anymore, ''Age of the Primes'' seems to lean towards having a standard, continuity-agnostic depiction of the Thirteen from which future teams can use as the foundation of their depictions.
::> Escargon and Sabrblade make some good points regarding subpages, particularly with the example of the standard '''“Primus = God”''' and '''Rung (G1)''' incarnations. Rung is a distinct and unique take on the Primus character whose backstory is incompatible with virtually every other Primus incarnation, so placing him on the same page as the Primus of the Marvel Comics, or Cybertron, or the Aligned continuity, wouldn’t seem right.
::> ''The Covenant of Primus'' has been the foundation of every depiction of the Thirteen since it was released. Certain things might be modified, such as the 2005 IDW’s take on them, but even those Primes still follow certain story beats: Megatronus kills Solus, Liege Maximo is a manipulator, Prima’s role as the leader and his conflict with Megatronus, etc. ''One'' offers a depiction of the Thirteen who don’t enter a War of the Primes situation, but because we don’t really get any more information about them besides how they died, I wouldn’t say that they’re distinct enough or important enough to warrant their own pages.
::> Then there’s the fact that a lot of the Primes either have had very small roles or haven’t had any real importance to the franchise in several years: '''Micronus'''’s last big role was a few episodes in ''Robots in Disguise'' and a clever tie-in to the Microspace of the 2005 IDW universe. '''Onyx'''’s only big role was in the ''Covenant'', mostly thanks to '''[[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|this guy]]''' taking his place in another universe. Onyx has a few mentions in ''Cyberverse'', but I don’t think that alone should be the reason for splitting his page up. '''Nexus Prime''' and '''Vector Prime''' haven’t really done anything notable since the Shroud. '''Solus Prime''' has seen some prominence thanks to IDW's Caminus and ''Power of the Primes'', but those depictions again don’t stray too far from the ''Covenant''. '''Amalgamous Prime''' has had virtually no exploration as a character. The most we’ve gotten for him is a much easier-to-look-at design in ''One''.
::> Character-wise, story-wise… they’re all still heavily based on the ''Covenant''. Even '''Quintus Prime'''’s ''Earthspark'' depiction (with his more human-looking face) is based on his “Johnny Appleseed, made the Quintessons” lore established from the ''Covenant''. Now if we had a full group of the Thirteen from a Shattered Glass universe or had some “What-If?” incarnations of the characters that made them very different… splitting pages would make more sense to me.
::> A lot of the Thirteen have also maintained a consistent visual look to them since their introduction: all the Primes introduced in the Covenant have kept their look (Alchemist’s Lenses, Onyx’s face, Solus’ hair and color scheme), and every version of Megatronus seems to have a Decepticon insignia face, flames, and/or both. While ''One'' may have changed some color schemes (Liege Maximo missing his green), I don’t think just having a different color scheme and nothing else different warrants a new page.
::> I like the idea of conceptual history sections for now, and as I said on ''The Fallen''’s talk page, I think the beginning to his page needs a general rewrite from its “frozen in 2009” version. But until drastic new interpretations of those characters are created, if a member of the Thirteen has a single page… we should keep it as a single page --[[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 16:33, 7 December 2024 (EST)
: Splitting them would simply be a bigger headache. They're rather like Primus and Unicron where they're "bigger picture" characters (only this time around designed ''very specifically'' to '''''be''''' as such) and it's best to treat them as such, and really, there's not enough material to BOTHER splitting for most of them. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Since it's related to this subject, it should probably also be mentioned here that there have recently been two discussions happening on the talk page for [[The Fallen]]. One about changing that article's mainpic and the other about moving the page's name to Megatronus. As of now, nothing has come out of either discussion, but I feel the results of this a bigger discussion may have an effect on either of those two smaller ones. Speaking as one who is in favor of not splitting out the Thirteen, my thoughts on these two smaller topics are that a good compromise would be to keep the article at its current name since many Megatronuses still become The Fallen, but replace the mainpic with The Fallen's Age of the Primes toy packaging art (as it depicts him in his original first body from Dreamwave but armed with his now-signature weapons from Aligned media, serving as a sort of visual overview for the character's history), along with a rewrite of his intro at the top of the page to be more all-encompassing, and the inclusion of a new "Conceptual history" section to give a proper overview of his different depictions. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm going to second this. I've mulled it over a little bit and while there is an argument to be made for splitting them out, I feel that 12 of the 13 primes really don't warrant it. They just haven't had as much an impact on the story and while it could be future proofing to split them, until we get prominent appearances from them I don't think it's a viable option right now. Megatronus is clearly the exception to this rule. I don't know if there's a clean solution to dealing with him at the moment. Part of me thinks maybe we should suite out the Movie and RiD versions since those are his too big appearences to date. At the bare minimum though I think we should use either his Dreamwave or Age of Primes art as the mainpic. It's his first body and I think it's influenced more designs than his RoTF design has. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 22:57, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::Erm, no. Neither his Movie or RiD sections (certainly not the latter) are big enough to warrant subpages for either. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:57, 8 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm also of the opinion that a split would be a massive hassle for very little gain, but I do feel we should move The Fallen to Megatronus. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:54, 8 December 2024 (EST)
::::To me, renaming the page to Megatronus feels like renaming an Optimus Prime page to Orion Pax. The name was created to tell us what he was called ''before'' he became The Fallen, like how Orion Pax was what Optimus was called before he became Optimus Prime. TF One Megatronus never became The Fallen but he's an anomaly, not a new standard. As of now, the only impact TF One Megatronus has had on the brand is the official reveal video for Age of the Primes describing the very Dreamwave/Aligned-based AOTP version as "the most powerful Prime," while also putting a grim, pronounced emphasis on "The Fallen" when referring to him as "Megatronus... The Fallen". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:16, 8 December 2024 (EST)
::::: '''Yes''' to changing The Fallen's mainpic back to the DW-style character design, huge-ass '''No''' to changing the page name; the Optimus/Orion comparison is spot-on. (And as to below... yes. The Thirteen are absolutely "set dressing that walks like a man" and best to approach them as such.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:11, 8 December 2024 (EST)

:After meditating upon this a while I think I've come to agree with the broad majority above that splitting each member of the Thirteen would hurt more than it would help. The way I see it what we should be striving for here is the approach that involves the least "hallucinating data" within our organizational system, and splitting will require making a lot of different calls on what "counts" to formulate micro-characterizations for dozens of serial continuity transplants, none of which do much individually, while obfuscating the larger context they are gesturing towards. Fundamentally what we may be running up against here is that the closest most of these guys have to a true "home continuity" as we typically think of it is... the brand bible. They are set dressing that walks like a man.

:To go one step further, if we want to talk future-proofing I would advocate formalizing the approach of treating them as a squad of mini-Unicrons/Primuses such that:

::1) My suggestion for the issues currently plaguing the Fallen (and to a lesser degree Trion) would be to make "Conceptual History" sections more or less standard issue across the board for the Thirteen, laying out swerves in characterization and appearance as they happened rather than trying to pry them apart ''or'' smoosh them together.

::2) I think it's worth revisiting merging Alpha Trion for consistency. In the decade+ since Prime cludged him into the lineup, Alpha Trion has consistently appeared as a member of the Thirteen, an insubstantial cameo, or both in pretty much every continuity he's appeared, and looking backwards I cannot help but notice that the fact that there's next to no meaningful daylight between his depictions has been the running gag of his [[Alpha Trion|disambiguation page]] since day one. If Shattered Glass remains a sticking point the Unicron/Primus style suite split approach is a reasonable compromise.

:I wouldn't say I'm married to any of this and counter-counter-proposals are welcome, but that's my two cents. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:08, 8 December 2024 (EST)
:I think just put a line at the end of the fallens intro article that says "while mostly a bad guy, there exists at least one universe (link to TF one section) where he's managed to defy all logic and be...good for once).[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:53, 8 December 2024 (EST)

I'm for splitting the Thirteen, for the same reasons Saix gave. If that doesn't work, I think the versions of Alpha Trion should be merged. It's the inconsistency that drives me batty. [[User:Boingus|--Boingus]] ([[User talk:Boingus|talk]]) 22:12, 8 December 2024 (EST)

===Checkpoint? (01/18/2025)===
This topic seems to have gotten as much interaction as it's going to get, so to take stock before it falls off the agenda completely:

:*'''Votes for splitting the Thirteen across the board:''' 4 (Locoman, Saix, BlueJayWarrior, Boingus)
:*'''Votes against:''' 8 (Escargon, Sabrblade, Wadapan, Daytonjhammon, M Sipher, Exim93, Dark T Zeratul, AzimuthAcolyte)

That seems like a pretty resounding 2:1 "no," but the discussion also generated some possible compromises/suggestions for future-proofing:

:*'''Votes for more widespread use of "Conceptual History" sections:''' 3 (Sabrblade, Daytonjhammon, AzimuthAcolyte)
:*'''Votes to merge Alpha Trion (with potential SG suite) for consistency:''' 3 (Sabrblade, AzimuthAcolyte, Boingus)

Lastly it generated some cross-bleed from the debates on [[Talk:The Fallen|The Fallen's talk page]] about some updates now that we're 16 years out from his [[live-action film series]] star turn:

1) Moving the page to "Megatronus":
:*'''For:''' 1 (Dark T Zeratul)
:*'''Against:''' 2 (Sabrblade, M Sipher)

2) Swapping back to a Dreamwave-style mainpic:
:*'''For:''' 3 (Sabrblade, Ezim93, M Sipher)

If anyone wants to try to resuscitate the mega-split speak now. If not, thoughts on the compromise proposals?

The Fallen discussion should probably return to his own page. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:33, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:My stances remain unchanged on all of the above. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:55, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::I'd be fine with splitting, but if we don't, we ''absolutely'' need to merge the Alpha Trions. There's no good justification for the others being together and him being split.
::As for the Fallen... I feel the need to point out that it's not ''just'' One Megatronus that didn't use the name. EVERY toyline and piece of media in the last decade — RID15, the Prime Wars cartoons, the POTP toy, the offhand mentions in Cyberverse — have used "Megatronus", completely dropping the idea that he stopped being Megatronus and became the Fallen. It's evidently how Hasbro thinks of the character; the Studio Series toy provides plenty of evidence that they ''could'' have just called the AOTP toy "The Fallen" if they'd wanted to. -[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 15:51, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::I am also pro-merging Alpha Trions with a SG subpage along the lines of what we do for Primus and Unicron. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:11, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::::I disagree that we need to put SG Trion on a separate page. Just have his Shattered Glass section open with "In the mirror universe of Shattered Glass, Alpha Trion was..." --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:58, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::::I'm pro merging Alpha Trion as well and adding conceptual history. Fallen/Megatronus discussion I'm good with taking back to his page. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 16:20, 18 January 2025 (EST)

:Here's my 5 cents. We are under no obligation to be consistent with how we treat the members of the Thirteen. If it makes sense for the characters, we can have Alpha Trions on separate pages because he has a long rich history of appearances in wide and varied media, including media in which he is not a member of the Thirteen, and we can also have Amalgamous Prime on one page because he doesn't. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:48, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::I'm in agreement with this. "Consistency" is nice until it isn't, and merging Alpha's pages... isn't. I feel like that's just gonna result in a clusterfuck. "Conceptual history" is fine to add, but frankly I feel like only like... maybe only a third of the 13 would even ''need'' it. There's really not a lot to most of these. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:07, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::I'm curious what would be the negative result of merging Alpha Trion's pages. The thing is that they ''are'' basically all identical barring the Shattered Glass version, and even that one is functionally the same guy, just evil. RID01, Energon, Animated and ROTF Alpha Trion are all footnotes, which just leaves us with G1 Trion (sometimes of the Thirteen), Aligned Trion (of the Thirteen), Cyberverse Trion (of the Thirteen) and One Trion (of the Thirteen). Is there some complicating factor that I'm missing...? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:38, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::: Honestly, I think this just sold me on the idea of merging all the Alpha Trion pages, including the Shattered Glass version, into one page. A Conceptual History section could explain his development from sage to member of the Thirteen, with a paragraph about his Shattered Glass version. [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 00:02, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:::::As I stated above, I used to be firmly against the idea of the Alpha Trions being merged, because of the facts that he wasn't originally supposed to be one of the Thirteen (a ship that has long since sailed), he was never a singularity like the other 13ers were (which no longer matters at all now since that concept was done away with), and he has a Shattered Glass version (but so too do Primus and Unicron, now, and their pages have set a good workable precedent for how to deal with SG versions of "set dressing characters" like them and the Thirteen). But now, as time goes on, the more it begins to feel like we're just keeping the Alpha Trions separate for more pedantic reasons than are necessary, especially since the AOTP toyline looks to be drawing influence from all continuities for its specific roster of the Thirteen, as if to say that the AOTP toys of the Thirteen represent *all* versions of the Thirteen (meaning AOTP Alpha Trion will represent *all* Alpha Trions).
:::::Sipher mentioned that conceptual history sections would only benefit a small number of the Thirteen, and, well, yes, that is a true statement. But the idea wouldn't be to give ''all'' of the Thirteen conceptual history sections, just the few that would need it. And a merged. But there being only a few that would need it no less diminishes the need of those few.
:::::However, I definitely draw the line at putting SG characters on the same webpages as their non-SG counterparts, as I go back to [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3Fthe original discussion about that very subject] and all the reasons given there (particularly from Steve-o, whom I already quoted above) for why SG characters should '''not''' share a webpage with their non-SG counterparts. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:47, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::::I feel like "they're all basically the same" is a charge that can be leveled at a lot of characters who are present in multiple continuity families. I'm all in favour of keeping non-entities to one page each, but Alpha Trion meets the threshold for actually having enough detail to have separate articles. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:32, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:My votes: No to splitting the 13 articles, yes for conceptual history, no to merging Trion (maybe expanding his disambig a la Sideways'?), no to moving the Fallen, maybe to changing his mainpic (compare to UT or Aligned characteers with major body changes - UT generally sticks with the Armada bodies, but Aligned favours Prime bodies over WFC). [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 18:01, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:I also think that it wouldn´t be appropriate to separate the pages of the thirteen and that the articles about Alpha Trion should be merged, after he become one of the 13 he has been mostly the same across all media. --[[User:MikeOsix|MikeOsix]] ([[User_talk:MikeOsix|talk]]) 20:57, 18 January 2024 (EST)
My vote is that we should keep Prime pages *mostly* non-split- I do, however, think there is merit to a "Conceptual History" part, going over different variations of the characters over the Years. I originally wanted Alpha's pages to be kept apart- but after some talking, I figure it's best for him to also enjoy a conceptual history rather than a disambiguation page. (I still love Disambiguation pages though.)
On The Fallen's page getting a Dreamwave-style picture: I give it a hard thumbs up. That seems to be the design Hasbro is sticking with compared to the skeleton-furnace guy from the movies. -- [[User:OptiMay Primal|OptiMay Primal]] ([[User talk: BattleBlade|talk]]) 21:54, 18 January 2024 (PST)
:I cannot see any benefit to smushing all of the Alpha Trion articles together. Every time this happens, we get a lengthy, unfocused mess of a page that wards off attempts at maintenance because it's so large. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:16, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::I'm personally against merging all the Trions, but I could be convinced if someone sandboxes a merged page first as a proof of concept. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:59, 24 January 2025 (EST)
At Cyberlink's suggestion, I've slapped together a rough prototype of a merged Alpha Trion suite broadly mirroring the Fallen's setup that can be seen–
:*'''[[Alpha Trion|HERE]]'''
Intro etc not final, of course. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 16:27, 24 January 2025 (EST)
:I like this. It's no longer or less focused than [[Unicron]], for example. I'm still kind of dubious about the need to exclude Shattered Glass versions from these cross-continuity characters, but at least SG Trion is more substantial than SG Unicron. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:31, 24 January 2025 (EST)
:Posting to confirm I'm in favor of this. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 12:49, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Yeah I like it too, when so many of his incarnations are so similar the unified article feels more user friendly [[User:LenaPrime|LenaPrime]] ([[User talk:LenaPrime|talk]]) 12:57, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Adding that I think this works pretty well. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 18:42, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Thought I'd stick my two cents in. I think this would work. If Unicron can have a merged page like this, then it should certainly work for Trion. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 23:44, 25 January 2025 (EST)
I've also started working on prototypes of rewrites / updates to Prima and The Fallen's pages, which can be seen...
:*'''[[User:Daytonjhammon/Sandbox/Prima|HERE for Prima]]''' and '''[[User:Daytonjhammon/Sandbox/The Fallen|HERE for The Fallen]]'''.
Discussion for The Fallen should probably stay on his [[Talk:The Fallen|own talk page]], but I'm linking them here since both have "conceptual history" sections I've drafted up. [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 13:50, 26 January 2025 (EST)

===Checkpoint 2 (05/05/2025)===
This definitely fell way off the agenda but there was sufficient interest that I believe it is worth circling back. Following Dayton's excellent work on Prima and the Fallen's Conceptual History section going live, the final point of order remains the prospect of merging Alpha Trion (with SG suite) to reflect his Aligned-forward characterization and bring him in line with the other 12 + 2 (Thirteen, Primus, Unicron) "man-shaped set dressing" characters.

Again, a full mock-up of this concept can be seen-

:*'''[[Alpha Trion|HERE]]'''

The current tally stands at:

:*'''Votes for merging Alpha Trion into one cross-continuity article with SG sub-page:''' 12 (Sabrblade, AzimuthAcolyte, Boingus, Broadside, Escargon, Ezim93, Daytonjhammon, MikeOsix, OptiMay Primal, LenaPrime, IGEBM13, Hilfam)
:*'''Votes against:''' 5 (abates, M Sipher, BattleBlade, Saix, Cyberlink420)

That's overwhelming support a ways past 2:1. Does anyone care to answer a last call for comment?

Suggestions or concerns for the prototype are particularly welcome. For my part I would appreciate assistance drafting a Conceptual History section. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:18, 5 May 2025 (EDT)
: Chipping in to reiterate that I'm in favour, though I'm unconvinced that the SG subpage is necessary. I do recognise that it's in line with how we currently treat Unicron, but like... is there anything we gain from having it be a separate page that we couldn't get from just putting "in one mirror universe, alpha trion was a real sicko!" at the top of the section? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (EDT)
::On principle alone, I'm against putting SG characters on the same pages as their non-SG counterparts, no matter what. The day we make such allowance for just one of them is the day we open the floodgates for potentially doing that for any and all SG characters. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:54, 6 May 2025 (EDT)
:::The (SG) system is simple. What exactly does messing with it accomplish? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:28, 8 May 2025 (EDT)
::::See, my understanding was not that SG characters are "special exceptions", it's that we treat Shattered Glass as its own continuity family (and likewise SG Animated, et al). It's not "messing with" the system to put the SG version of a character on a cross-continuity family page for that character. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:53, 13 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::It's messing with what Thylacine mentions for the sake of insisting on making categorization exceptions for the Thirteen. It's not useful to either editor or reader, especially if we're going to do the pointless lateral move that is "/Shattered Glass" anyway. (SG) is straightforward and easy to parse as opposed to "here's the explicitly negative AU guy buried here because arbitrary wiki reasons". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:42, 13 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Looks like it doesn't matter anymore, but the difference between SG and non-SG material - the whole fact that SG exists to be an irreconcilable opposite to G1 - is more fundamental and important than the sum total of all appearances and history of at least 10 of the 13. We should not be wiping away important conceptual distinctions for the sake of unimportant asterisk characters who basically only ever existed in a list. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:59, 13 May 2025 (EDT)

== International Sightings ==

So, as of late, mentions of "toy appeared in (non-US country) without prior announcement" type lines have been getting purged from the wiki. This makes me wonder: am I allowed to even mention them anymore when a new toy appears somewhere? I'm not really sure why these relatively harmless information lines are getting removed, nor am I really a fan of it, but if I can't mention them anymore I will happily oblige.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:04, 7 January 2025 (EST)
:They're being removed because "toy first showed up at a random store in Asia" is not useful information. That's how toy retail has worked for decades. Hasbro deigning to announce some product doesn't make it the standard. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:57, 7 January 2025 (EST)
::Oh, ok, I'll keep that in mind from now on.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 23:11, 7 January 2025 (EST)

==First revealed at (some regular online update)==
On a similar note to the international sightings, what do people think of "toy was first revealed in Hasbro Instagram post / Fans First Friday / Pulse livestream of whatever date," etc.? We note this constantly, because it's another fact to include about a just-announced toy nobody owns yet. A year later it looks unimportant. Is this something we like and value, or more of a space-filing habit? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:34, 8 January 2025 (EST)
:I think it's a lot of blather, but at least it's documenting Hasbro marketing as opposed to random retail appearances. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:25, 8 January 2025 (EST)
: I'm lukewarm at best on 'em. But often these announcements are followed up almost immediately by pre-orders opening up through official channels, and that feels a bit more... noteworthy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 12:31, 8 January 2025 (EST)
: Seems pretty relevant to me! There's value in preserving a toy's history, after all. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 10:14, 6 April 2025 (EDT))

==Update Navigation==
Should the Navigation sidebar be changed to replace [[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]] with [[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]] or should we wait a bit?--[[User:CyclonustheWarrior|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior|talk]]) 20:49, 2 February 2025 (EST)
:Good question. I think we could change it now since almost all of wave 1 is out at retail over in Asia, but I’ll wait for someone higher than me to make the final decision lol - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 23:10, 5 February 2025 (EST)

==Adding a "Transformers in [Country name]" section to country articles==
So, by some weird coincidence, a lot of my edits in these past months have involved expanding on the quirks of how individual aspects of the Transformers brand were represented in countries like [[Brazil]], [[Argentina]], [[Greece]], and [[Portugal]] - however; something that I've noticed is that there's usually no comprehensive summary of this information in the actual pages we have for those countries, with most or all of it being restricted to the individual articles regarding those things instead (for instance; Argentina had a whole three companies that produced Transformers toys with [[Antex]], [[Comando Toys]], and [[Lynsa]], but none of them are even mentioned in Argentina's page!). As such, and in the spirit of making our wiki more international, I propose that we add a small section to every country page specifically regarding the presence of the Transformers brand within it.

Some information that could go into these sections, if available (naturally, not ''everything'' here needs to be mentioned):
* When Transformers media first premiered in the country
* When Transformers toys first released in the country
* Previous releases of [[pre-Transformers]] in the country, if any (e.g.; Italy's ''Trasformer'', the UK's ''Convertors'', Finland's ''Diaclone'', etc.)
* Brands that might have made toys or merchandise for Transformers in the country, if any (e.g.; [[Estrela]] in Brazil, [[IGA]] in Mexico, [[GiG]] in Italy, [[El Greco]] in Greece, etc.)
* Notable figures, variants, and/or entire toylines that are exclusive to the country, if any (obviously, a fully comprehensive list would be difficult for a country like Japan, but it seems feasible for others here.)
* Transformers media that's unique to the country, if any (again; it would be hard to form a comprehensive list for Japan or the US, but it might not be too difficult elsewhere.)
* Peculiar quirks and factoids regarding the distribution of Transformers toys in the country, if any (e.g.; Galaxy Shuttle releasing in Italy, Star Saber releasing in Portugal, Spain's translated G1 blister cards, [[Sonokong]]'s many odd releases of Transformers toys in South Korea, etc.)
* Transformers-connected artists that were born in the country (e.g.; Brazil's [[Marcelo Matere]], Spain's [[José Avilés]], etc.)
* Perhaps some notable aspects of the fandom in the country (e.g., fan organizations, conventions - whether they're [[Convention|official]] or [[Unofficial conventions|unofficial]] - etc.)

Editing these sections could also make for a pretty fun multinational effort: certainly, Transformers fans from all over the world have pretty unique knowledge about the brand in their regions that's undocumented until now, and it would be pretty cool for them to visit the pages for their respective countries and see a section that basically invites them to add that knowledge. If this idea seems acceptable then I would be happy to move ahead with introducing the section to some of the countries that I'm most familiar with (mostly in Europe and Latin America) - let me know what everyone else thinks! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 10:07, 6 April 2025 (EDT))
:I like this idea! I think it’ll be really helpful for both readers and the site’s general organization to have information about international Transformers products and media on their respective countries’ pages. I’m not too well-versed in the foreign aspects of the brand outside of Japan, but I do know one piece of information we can add to Russia’s page is that ''Masterforce'' was the first show to air there :D - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 10:47, 6 April 2025 (EDT)
::I had no idea about that, how interesting! Hopefully more people can give the go-ahead to this. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:04, 6 April 2025 (EDT))
:::This strikes me as a proposal with a lot potential if we can get enough manpower behind it. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 17:00, 6 April 2025 (EDT)
:I've made versions of this proposed section for the Portugal, Spain, and Brazil pages, and posted them on [[User:FortressMaxxing/Sandbox|my sandbox]]. Any thoughts would be welcome! Also, shouldn't we maybe add the country flags to their respective pages? The Wikipedia SVGs are on public domain, so I guess we could just import those. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:43, 7 April 2025 (EDT))
::I like the way these early write-ups look, it could prove very interesting. Though we should only add the country flags if they appeared in fiction, as we do with the [[Soviet Union]] or [[United States of America]]. Otherwise it's just not important. Every country has a flag, you don't need to come ''here'' to look at them or find out their capital cities, populations, national birds, etc. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:01, 7 April 2025 (EDT)
:::I mean, if we're also to discuss the "meta" details of Transformers in the country - meaning that the pages are no longer restricted to just fiction - then I think it makes sense to at least have a country flag up on the opening paragraph, no? I'm not saying we need to add an Wikipedia-like infobox with the capital and population count and whatever else, but if we also have stuff like logos for companies in their respective pages then it makes sense to at least have what's basically the largest and most important international identifier that a country has attached to a page about it. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:29, 7 April 2025 (EDT))
:Given how there seem to be no objections to this project, I hope that it's fine to begin adding these sections to their respective pages during this weekend. I have added entries for Argentina, Italy, and Greece [[User:FortressMaxxing/Sandbox|to my sandbox]], so, together with the other three I previously shared; that will be six "The Transformers franchise in X country" sections coming from me - hopefully others will also be interested in adding similar sections to the pages of whatever countries they're most familiar with! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 18:37, 11 April 2025 (EDT))
::I think the names could be simplified to "Transformers in X". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:51, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:::That was actually close to the previous name I had in this topic ("The Transformers in X") before renaming it because I thought it could be a little ambiguous, haha - but actually, I think you're right, "Transformers in Brazil" / "Transformers in Greece" / etc. does sound better and I guess all the ambiguities are kinda cleared up in context of the contents of the sections themselves! "Transformers in X" it shall be then, I've now again renamed this topic accordingly. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 20:06, 11 April 2025 (EDT))
::::Yeah, it could be an ambiguous statement by itself, but we're not making "Transformers in Brazil" for all the fictional times Transformers characters appeared in Brazil because that's already covered by [[Brazil]] itself. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:29, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:Ayo, I posted the first batch of "Transformers in X" sections a few days ago in the [[Portugal]], [[Spain]], [[Italy]], [[Greece]], [[Brazil]], and [[Argentina]] pages! There are still way more countries that need a similar level of development and since I won't be able to do all of them alone, I wanted to highlight at least the most important ones in the hopes that maybe other users will have an interest in working on them. So, here are '''the pages that most urgently need a "Transformers in X" section''' (plus '''some of the things they should mention'''):

* [[Japan]], obviously: The birth of the transforming robot as a Japanese cultural product (see [[Yonezawa Toys|Yonezawa]] and some of the later transforming robot toys leading up to Takara's Cosmo Countach and eventually the Diaclone Car Robots), the country's transition from Diaclone to Transformers, the introduction of the original show to Japan, a brief mention of the original media and toylines that were only released there, an assessment of the popularity of the franchise in Japan relative to other 'giant robot'-centric media like Gundam and NGE (Also, I've noticed that there is already a small "non-fiction" section that briefly touches on the importance of Japan to the Transformers: it could be used as a starting basis, and I guess that it also suggests someone already had the idea for a similar wiki-project!)
* The [[United States of America|United States]], also quite obviously: Brief summarization of the birth and sustained popularity of the Transformers brand in America, the most prominent retail exclusives that were only launched in U.S. stores, BotCon and all the other big fan conventions
<s>* [[United Kingdom]]: Received a pair of pre-Transformers toylines with the Grandstand Convertors and Tandy's Galactic Man, the UK Marvel Transformers comic, large conventions like TFNation and TFUKcon</s> '''(Done!)'''
* [[France]]: Received a pre-Transformers toyline with [[Joustra|Ceji / Joustra]] releasing Diaclone, Orli Jouet's Robotrack, later Joustra-made G1 Transformers toys, original cartoon had a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itPo0Q9zmrc|a pretty funky unique theme song], major national toy company [[Majorette]] would briefly become a Transformers licensee in the 2000s
* [[Finland]]: Received a pre-Transformers toyline with Takara directly releasing Diaclone, "black Tracks" was unique to it (and later homaged with [[Loudpedal]])
* [[China]]: Hasbro factories, the Chinese G1 reissue toyline, the commercial success of Age of Extinction and how it brought about a sharp rise in the popularity of Transformers across the country, [[Nezha: Transformers (franchise)|Nezha]]
* [[South Korea]]: The unusual line-ups of [[Young Toys]] and [[Sonokong]], the mystery of [[ToonTown]]
* [[Mexico]]: [[IGA]] and their unique variants of G1 figures
* [[Venezuela]] (which somehow doesn't exist yet despite [[Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 17|already having an in-fiction mention]]?): [[Rubiplas]] made some unique Mini-Vehicles
<s>* [[Peru]]: [[Lynsa]] released multiple unique Mini-Vehicles in both countries, Museo Transformers</s> '''(Done!)'''
* [[Chile]]: Also received [[Lynsa]] Mini-Vehicles
* [[Vietnam]]: Major manufacturing hub for Transformers toys '''(Work in progress)'''
* [[Germany]]: GAMA's "Trans Robot" (pre-Transformers Omega Supreme), had the biggest Transformers convention in continental Europe until it dissolved not too long ago

:On an unrelated note, check out these fancy new GoBoxes down below! If anyone wants to do more in this style (quirky collage of country flag, plus national iconography, plus a Transformer toy that's emblematic of that specific country in some way) then that'd be pretty sweet! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 17:47, 16 April 2025 (EDT))
<center>
[[File:GB-Portugal.jpg|link=Portugal]] [[File:GB-Greece.jpg|link=Greece]] [[File:GB-Brazil.jpg|link=Brazil]]
</center>
::Hey, I noticed that a lot of your claims aren't really sourced, it would be nice if you could cite your sources for us. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 08:01, 21 April 2025 (EDT)
:::For sure! A lot of what's been added to these pages isn't cited because it is already discussed at greater length in their respective articles (and usually cited in said articles) - nonetheless; I will go ahead and add a more extensive round of sources soon. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 12:54, 21 April 2025 (EDT))
:::: Great! Remember to post about that here when it happens. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 13:45, 21 April 2025 (EDT)
::::: All done, I've provided as many citations for whatever information's more obscure or not as well-documented in the English web as I could! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 16:21, 21 April 2025 (EDT))
:::::: Thank you! I appreciate it, though I have noticed that your source about Portuguese people seeing Star Convoy on retail is only available to members of the Facebook group. I understand that information for things like this is hard to come by so if can't change it it's alright but it would be great if you could list a publicly available source instead. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 08:58, 22 April 2025 (EDT)
::::::: Oops, I didn't realize that Transformers Portugal was private on Facebook - but let this not be a problem, because I've just added a translated screenshot to that citation instead! Although I must also add that, unfortunately, I don't know how to really cite the later portion of that trivia - that Star Convoy is also really common on the Portuguese secondary market - because this is basically the product of my own personal experience of living in Portugal and seeing at least four loose Star Convoys on the Portuguese secondary market in the past couple of years across various occasions, all of them being the original version with the white trailer rather than the later reissue (thus suggesting that they come from the aforementioned retail distribution), and all of them being sold for really cheap prices rounding just ~20-40 euros from people who clearly did not know about this being an unusual toy (I got one myself one circa ~2022!). It's just that I frankly didn't know how to cite this in the page (Would "[[User:FortressMaxxing|This editor]] can attest to seeing an inordinate amount of Portuguese Star Convoy copies on the secondary market" be too anecdotal of a reference to have?), so... There's that. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 13:04, 22 April 2025 (EDT))
:::::::: Don't worry, the fist citation should be enough, now's the time to move on to the rest of the countries. I'm a bit busy at the moment but I might be able to take on the UK write up. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 13:53, 22 April 2025 (EDT)
::::::::: Sweet, I'll be excited to see what you write up! Tell us here when you do :) ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 13:58, 22 April 2025 (EDT))
:I made a first draft of the UK write-up at my sandbox [[User:Wildstrike/Sandbox/United_Kingdom|here]]. It is not at all done I'm passing this through the people to make sure I didn't get anything wrong, and to hear out any suggestions. Also I didn't mention the Tandy's Galactic Man figure because it doesn't seem to be exclusive to to the UK. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 11:14, 26 April 2025 (EDT)
::Hey, it's good, short but very well-cited! I do think Galactic Man merits at least a brief one-line mention since apparently the UK was the only other territory beyond the U.S. where it was released in (and also the UK Galactic Man might be slightly different, per how the pre-TF page describes him as [[Pre-Transformers#Pre-Transformers lines|"''almost'' identical"]]?), but otherwise, I have no disagreement with the information presented here. Very curious to see how you're gonna expand on that draft! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 18:46, 27 April 2025 (EDT))
:::Okay, I did a bit of research and according to the [https://astromagnum.blogspot.com/2024/04/galactic-man-tandy-radio-shack-shackwave.html Astro Magnum] blog the Tandy version of Galactic Man has slightly different packaging, different stickers, and is made of materials more resistant to the yellowing prevalent in the Radio Shack versions of the toy. I'll be sure to edit the draft when I have time. Also, I found about an [https://batterseapowerstation.co.uk/retailers/transformers/ official transformers store] at the Battersea power station which I plan on incorporating at some point. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 11:49, 28 April 2025 (EDT)
:Ooohh, here's a pretty cool thing that I found out which definitely should be added to the Peru page: there's a mall [https://www.facebook.com/MuseoTF with a Transformers toy museum within it], and apparently it's been in operation since 2020! It even features a display specifically for [https://scontent.flis9-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/483676983_1040341464571272_305592738604936521_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=OsCqdAxWZTQQ7kNvwGe1-WQ&_nc_oc=Adn6enKyI9P6hsp1VO2t492l7iu8t1CtWQCm3bbMYXOemGAOpKTj-0fB96Co-Jhqnm4&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.flis9-1.fna&_nc_gid=0aKRlr6ClLSdhzhjlFM8cA&oh=00_AfFq1ClChLr67ItyZAhHBe0MPRKxcrRFUfQLY48v0THRPA&oe=68149CCC Transformers stuff made in Peru], which I think would be a great photographic addition to the article :) ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 20:36, 27 April 2025 (EDT))

:I've finally expanded my write-up (link [[User:Wildstrike/Sandbox/United_Kingdom|here]]), and would like to receive comment on it if possible. As for the ''Transformers'' store I mentioned above, I'm not quite sure how to incorporate it into the rest of the article and am debating just leaving it in the notes section. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 12:06, 30 May 2025 (EDT)
::Hey, sorry for taking so long to review it but it's good! I think the Transformers store can be added as its own small (even if one-line) paragraph in the section, no need to throw it all the way down to notes when it's a definitely pretty relevant to the history of Transformers in the UK. Regardless, I'd say it's time to go live with that section! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 00:24, 12 June 2025 (EDT))
:::It's finally live baby! As you may have noticed, I decided to expand the section a little bit more and mention some of the other British people that have worked on Transformers over the years as well as [[BotCon Europe 1999]], I hope you're happy with all the changes. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 15:05, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:Per recent edits, I'm scratching out the UK and Peru pages off the list, as they now also have proper "Transformers in [Country]" sections (great job on the UK one by the way, it's pretty extensive and rich in information and I feel like I learned quite a few new things with it!). I also added Germany and Vietnam to the list, so if any TF fans from those nationalities are around to see this some help in filling those out wold be greatly appreciated! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 08:22, 18 June 2025 (EDT))

== Size of this page ==

Could someone archive the last year on this page? It's getting ridiculously long and is hard to scroll through. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 19:48, 15 April 2025 (EDT)
:Done. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:25, 15 April 2025 (EDT)

== ToonTown / Korean Transformers that might or might not be bootlegs ==
Hey, so... What do we do about [https://x.com/tfwiki/status/1036114311142363136?lang=ar this], and [https://lmb3.net/2024/12/29/blog-2500-toy-review-transformers-korean-modified-optimus-prime/ this], and [https://tformers.com/daily-prime-korean-generation-2-optimus-prime-gold-watch/43599/news.html this], and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYJ8Nev7DGo this]? It basically seems like there's a massive ambiguity as to whether or not these toys are bootlegs, and while at least one of them (see the recently-edited "Globo" section on the [[knockoff]] page) has distinct bootleg origins, it's also worth remembering that there is [[Radio AM Robot|at least one known case of a bootleg being later rebranded into an official Transformers toy]], so... Maybe this is not much of an indicator?

In the replies to that first tweet, there's a person who says that "[https://x.com/tfwiki/status/1036114311142363136/ Hasbro's legal stance is that if it has their copyright on the box, it is an official product. This is what they've told me in the past when inquiring about other products]". Assuming that this is the case, and given that all of these have a Hasbro copyright on their packaging despite how genuinely weird they are, should we add them to their respective character pages, as well as maybe creating a separate page for ToonTown as a Transformers-associated company? The [[Soundwave (G1)/merchandise#Transformers Gum|Soundwave]] and [[Starscream (G1)/merchandise#Transformers Gum|Starscream]] ''Transformers Gum'' tabs already mention their ToonTown releases, so it seems like it kind of follows to add the others, no? I've left them a mention on the knockoff page as of now, but it would be good to get a final decision as to where exactly they should stay on this wiki. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 21:58, 19 April 2025 (EDT))
:Decades ago, [[Raksha]] wrote that the Toon Town stuff had been released in both South Korea and Taiwan (https://web.archive.org/web/20080917123934fw_/http://www.plumed-serpent.com/swartifacts.html). Added to what you wrote above, I believe that is the sum of all the knowledge we have on the issue, so it would be hard to write an article about it. I agree that since we have the Soundwave and Starscream stuff, the other confirmed releases are fair game to include too. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:18, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
::Here's another one, this time not saying Toon Town, still showing the "real" logos and symbols, and said by its owner to be a knockoff: https://toy-wizards.com/2019/03/16/super-rare-korean-transformers-toys-at-tf-con-and-the-conspiracy-theory-behind-them/?amp I'm really drawing a blank on Toon Town and it is possible we will never get enough verified info to be worth an article here. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:53, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::One more source for now: http://fredsworkshop.com/vkorea.html --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:57, 7 May 2025 (EDT)

::::Argh, another, and with even more links at the bottom, and were no closer to a conclusive truth. http://fredsworkshop.com/vkorea5.html --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:05, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::For what it's worth, I think it'd be good to have a page laying out the ambiguity of the matter, explaining what we know and how hard to verify it all is. Sorta like the [[unknown Generation 1 animation studios]]. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 19:35, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::: Yeah, I'd agree with this. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:45, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
::::::: Seconding this, it seems like we have more than enough to at least create an article about this weird company that explains the ambiguity. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 01:15, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:Alright, as per the above discussion, the [[ToonTown]] article is now up! I didn't go over every source mentioned here yet and therefore still haven't added every ToonTown-branded figure to it (and neither to the character pages, the currently existing wikilinks just to go their broader toy sections for now), but hopefully this is a good start. Would love to see your contributions to this page, if you have any to give! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:09, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::Update, the remaining ToonTown toys and merchandise that I could find has also been added. Turn out to be a shorter affair than expected! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:53, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:::Thank you for setting this up so quickly! I am doing my best to state very clearly that these might or might not be legit, that if they're knockoffs they aren't like your typical ones... The last thing I'd ever want would be for this wiki to give people the sense that fake stuff was real, but we can present the nebulous case and leave it to readers to judge. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:58, 8 May 2025 (EDT)
::::All good! This is just such an interesting case that it does really feel like it needs to be in the wiki insofar as we don't know whether or not they're fake. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:07, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::Hey, Google Lens led me to the discovery of another ToonTown oddity and I'd love some community help in finding out more about it before it's added into the article: [https://m.blog.naver.com/eoiipp/130144214329 This Optimus Prime model kit] doesn't appear to be based on any Kabaya / Transformers Gum kit that I know of (and the Transformers Gum section on the Optimus merchandise page says that his ToonTown kit comes as a pack-in with Starscream rather than being a standalone like this one), and in fact; he actually looks to be fairly sizable and complex compared to the usual Kabaya affair. On [https://m.totoy.com/product/%EB%AF%B8%EB%8B%B4%EC%82%B0%EC%97%85-%ED%8A%B8%EB%9E%9C%EC%8A%A4%ED%8F%AC%EB%A8%B8-g2-%EB%A1%9C%EB%B4%87-%ED%8A%B8%EB%A0%88%EC%9D%BC%EB%9F%AC-%EC%98%B5%ED%8B%B0%EB%A8%B8%EC%8A%A4-%ED%94%84%EB%9D%BC%EC%9E%84/5333/ this listing] for the same kit, you can zoom in and see what seems to be the usual ToonTown / 3D Licensing International markings, but most importantly; both of those links identify him as being made by a company called "Midam Industry" which even seems to have its own unique logo on the upper right corner of the toys (albeit it's pretty difficult to make out with how low-res all these pictures are), but that I can't find anything about them on the web. Does anyone know more about this Midam Industry Optimus, as well as maybe potentially being aware of other kits from the same series? Cheers! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 16:46, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:::After searching for a little while, I believe that this is, in fact, the only Transformers kit released by Midam Industry (although it has a handful of variants!), thus; it - as well as a Midam Industry entry - has been added to their respective pages. I've taken the liberty to classify it as a toy rather than a piece of merchandise since it is, for the standards of a Transformers model kit, actually a fairly elaborate and fully-transforming model that doesn't really seem to count as "merchandise" in the same way that Transformers Gum stuff does (it doesn't even come with any food!) - hopefully others will be in agreement on this. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:16, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::::And, just as I thought I was done with editing the ToonTown page for the day, I realized that the packaging for these kits advertises other kits, even though no pictures of those seem to be available. Aw well, duty calls... ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:31, 8 May 2025 (EDT))

== Proposing a "The Transformers (Latin American toylines)" page ==
So the title is self-explanatory, but basically; I've noticed that our Generation 1 navbox is missing the many, many Latin American Transformers G1 toylines like those produced by [[Estrela]], [[Antex]], [[Lynsa]], [[IGA]], etc. Since there might be way too many for them to all to be individually listed in the navbox, and since we already have the "[[The Transformers (toyline)]]" (for the US toyline), "[[The Transformers (European toyline)]]", "[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1 (Japanese toyline)]]", and "[[The Transformers (Chinese toyline)]]" pages all on the navbox, shouldn't we also make a "The Transformers (Latin American toylines)" page where we list all of the known releases from the various Latin American toylines, with the eventual addition of some "Main article" tags for the manufacturers of each of those toylines? ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:49, 24 April 2025 (EDT))
:I don't think the toyline or name was consistent across Latin America, so it would be more "Generation 1 toylines in Latin America"?
::That's fair, it is true that most of them removed the 'The' prefix and were usually just called ''Transformers''. Since we don't use the ''The Transformers'' name for the Japanese toyline page then it does make sense to also not use it in this instance. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 22:33, 24 April 2025 (EDT))
:[[Generation 1 toylines in Latin America|Page has been made!]] ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 17:17, 25 April 2025 (EDT))

== Free Comic Book Day Worst Bot Ever preview ==

I know it’s standard procedure not to create articles for comic issues until the issue actually comes out, even if a small preview is officially released online. But I’m wondering if the Ballpoint preview issue should be an exception? It is just the online page preview Skybound put out a few months ago (I believe with a couple new pages), but since it is an officially released physical comic issue that new fans will be picking up and wanting to research, I figure there’s an argument to create the article now with what we know and simply update it when the graphic novel proper comes out. For now, the article would cover what’s in the FCBD issue, and when it comes out proper we’d add to/replace it with a full synopsis and include a note about how the first 16 pages were released on FCBD. Thoughts? [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 16:58, 3 May 2025 (EDT)

== Shattered Glass and cross-continuity-family pages ==

Felt like this was worth being discussed in its own section, so: at present, [[Unicron]], [[Primus]] and [[Alpha Trion]] all have dedicated "Shattered Glass" subpages suited out. They're unique in this respect; every other page for concepts that span multiple continuity families keep the Shattered Glass versions on the same page as everything else. A good example is [[Spark]]; even though Embers have a different name and are supposedly fundamentally different in the mirror universe, they still share a page. If we're going to treat Unicron, Primus and the Thirteen like cross-continuity concepts, rather than how we treat most characters, then I don't think we should make an exception to that for Shattered Glass.

To be clear, '''this is NOT proposing that we merge all Shattered Glass characters into their G1 counterparts'''. My position is that Shattered Glass is its own continuity family, and so we keep their pages separate, and I don't think there's something special about Shattered Glass that makes it an exception to what we're doing with the cross-continuity pages. Input would be appreciated. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:52, 14 May 2025 (EDT)
: I agree. Especially because Primus and Unicron have about a paragraph's worth of information on them each. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 18:21, 14 May 2025 (EDT)
: SG is different enough that the character pages should be separated somehow. Otherwise it’d be jarring for those unfamiliar with SG to have the one batshit crazy evil Alpha Trion in and amongst all the nice ones. Personally, I’m on the same boat as Sabrblade back up in the Thirteen discussion from a few months ago. I think suite pages are a useful tool, not a necessary evil. It’s somewhat subjective, but I can see suite pages used in this way for other cross-continuity concepts where one universe diverges far enough from the norm. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 18:49, 15 May 2025 (EDT)
::Moreso than one crazy evil [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] in and among all the nice ones? I don't think you're giving readers enough credit, frankly. If we opened the section "In one mirror universe, Alpha Trion was not a kindly mentor, but a cruel manipulator" I don't think anyone would think twice. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:25, 15 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Touché. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 02:04, 16 May 2025 (EDT)
:I was waiting to weigh in until the Alpha Trion merge was fully complete, but I now feel comfortable saying this strikes me as basically reasonable, both conceptually and in terms of the small volume of material involved. The Fallen's [[The Fallen#Shattered Glass|''Shattered Glass'' content]] is already folded into his main page by necessity, after all. I do think people might feel less skittish if we more clearly telegraphed that the 13+2 were unique character/concept article hybrids not to be used as precedent down the food chain. Maybe something like:
::* Category:Concept-Characters
::*With a description like, "These subjects act as facets of the ''Transformers'' brand's baseline worldbuilding first and characters in their own right second. For the defunct fictional concept riffing on this phenomenon, see [[multiversal singularity]]."
:Is that anything? --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:20, 26 May 2025 (EDT)
::I like that idea. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 20:52, 26 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Seems like an excellent idea to me! --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 00:07, 27 May 2025 (EDT)
::::Yeah, seems alright for now. However, I do think it's worth having some kind of plan in place in case a concept-character winds up getting expanded on in the future. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 04:50, 2 June 2025 (EDT)
::::: I do like the category idea. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:51, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
Last call for objections before I go ahead with this? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:01, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:I think there's an exception to be made for Alpha Trion, as the SG page is pretty long, and still incomplete, but otherwise, yeah; was surprised by how short SG Primus and Unicron's articles are. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 16:24, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:: It's not very long compared to the rest of the page, especially considering the toys are already on Trion's toys page. I feel like if we were gonna split a section off for length reasons it'd be Generation 1. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 20:55, 12 June 2025 (EDT)

== Interwiki link request ==

Having reached another milestone in my ongoing project to document the non-''Transformers'' [[back-up strips]] printed in the Marvel UK book, I'd like to request that tfuk.app (<tt><nowiki>https://tfuk.app/wiki/$1</nowiki></tt>) gets added to the interwiki table. Thanks. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 11:11, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
:Goddamn, this is an incredible amount of work: more than being added to the interwiki table, it frankly feels worthy of being pinned into the "sister wikis" section on the opening page. Great job! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 12:08, 20 May 2025 (EDT))
::Seconding Fortress on front page sister wiki status, frankly. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:31, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Thirded on adding it to the sister wikis list, that’s amazing. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 16:07, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Fourthing! -- [[User:DannyBoy|DannyBoy]] ([[User talk:DannyBoy|talk]]) 10:19, 21 May 2025 (EDT)
:That seems eminently reasonable: [[tfuk:Main Page|The Transformers UK Appendix]] --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:15, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Thank you! [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 17:32, 20 May 2025 (EDT)

== Skybound’s Marvel compendium edits ==

So I’ve got Skybound’s [[The Transformers Compendium Volume 1]] in hand and am reading it. I was under the impression that Skybound was, for the most part, just using IDW’s Classics reprint with maybe some polish here and there, but comparing Skybound’s version to the wiki notes about IDW classics edits, there are actually several changes from those that are going to need to be noted on each issue’s article. (For instance, the Wheeljack/Hoist panel comparison on [[I, Robot-Master!]] has a new color scheme to add to it.) Are we gonna want to make a new section on each article underneath the “Classics edits” one? Are we gonna want to wait until the Kickstarter-exclusive versions come out so we can do it all at once? (I’m just talking about differences I’ve noticed while ''skimming'' articles; I imagine there are lots more. This is the first time I’ve read the comic and thus I don’t have originals/IDW reprints to directly compare to. Just something I wanted to bring to your guys’ attention.) [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 02:04, 1 June 2025 (EDT)
:Making a new section under "Classics Edits" seems like the best move. As for the second question, I feel it would be best if we started making note of the changes now so that there will be less work to when the Kickstarter exclusives do release. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 04:58, 2 June 2025 (EDT)

== Continuity of origin listings? ==
I happened to see the [[Sentius Magnus]] and [[Sentius Malus]], and that sent me looking to see if there were any other new characters unique to [[Transformers: Earth Wars|Earth Wars]]. When I couldn't find any such listing, I realized I don't think we have any real way to identify original characters by their original continuity. Might it make sense to have, say, categories for brand-new characters that originated in each continuity? i.e. "Earth Wars original characters" or "IDW 2005 original characters" or "Marvel comics original characters", etc? Or, if not categories, some way of compiling that information? Also, to be clear, I wouldn't consider characters that began as toys to be original to whatever fiction they first appeared in; this would just be for the likes of the aforementioned Sentius twins, or [[Xaaron]], or [[Devcon (G1)|Devcon]], or [[Tarn (G1)|Tarn]]. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:29, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
:I think that would be a good idea, and very helpful organization-wise. (Also, you’re correct in that there are no other TFEW-original characters beyond maybe SB Optimus Prime and SB Megatron.) - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 09:09, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
: I feel that would be unnecessary, fans can find it out by looking at the work page. [[User:Vrung|Vrung]] ([[User talk:Vrung|talk]]) 16:53, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
::Unless there's a way I missed, the only way to "figure it out" by looking at the work page is to individually check the pages for every single listed character appearance to see if they've ever appeared anywhere else. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 20:33, 16 June 2025 (EDT)

==Concept characters and sorting by continuity family==
Based on discussions above, I've implemented [[:Category:Deep lore characters|Category:Concept characters]] to cover things like the Thirteen and Primus and Unicron. However, I've noticed that these pages seem to have been rearranged so they aren't sorted by continuity family, except in the case of the movie and Aligned families? I gather that it's to "preserve the flow of conceptual development", but that seems silly when we have "conceputal history" sections on the relevant characters. Other concept pages (e.g. [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] are sorted by family, so this just seems unintuitive. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 19:49, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:I agree; we've always tried to sort concepts and ideas by continuity family and it's more confusing if we start arbitrarily enforcing this standard on some pages but not on others. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 20:00, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::I concur that how we've been organizing big pages like this by continuity family makes sense, especially if they have "Conceptual history" sections. Like, it's weird to jump around from a G1 section, to a Beast Era section, to a UT section, and then back to a G1 section, then to a Movie section, then Aligned, then back to another G1, then back to another Movie, then back to G1 again, then Cyberverse, then G1 again, then another Movie, and so forth. Just let the "Conceptual history" sections do their job. And if there isn't one, then, well... why not make one? They only ''enhance'' each article that has one. I'd say an article like "[[Cybertron (planet)]]" could definitely benefit from a good "Conceptual history" section of its own. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 20:00, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:::Agreed on all fronts. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:20, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
I think if we're going to have cross-continuity pages for whatever reason, because the "continuity family" thing isn't working... why then organize the pages that way? "G1 continuity family" is a unit of wiki organization, not a Real Thing either narratively or creatively, unlike Aligned or Movieverse. That feels like trying to have our cake and eat it—either we're organizing things by continuity family or we aren't. IDW Megatronus is more linked to Aligned Megatronus than Dreamwave Fallen. Why does it make sense to put IDW and Dreamwave together in terms of the character? Forget arbitrary wiki categorization for a minute and ask what's the intended throughline there. Are we presenting the character's evolution in a logical way or are we simply sticking to continuity families because arbitrary wiki organization? (Also an excessive amount of tiny headers as you force them all down one level looks awful.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:00, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:I don't buy that "movieverse" is any less arbitrary than "G1 continuity family". None of the Alpha Trion entries sorted under "movie continuity family" have anything to do with each other. I would argue that using continuity families for these pages provides a reasonable measure of organisation to make it easier to find specific fiction entries rather than having to scroll through the entire history of the character. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 21:19, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::Not to beat the dead horse, but that's why we had separate pages in the first place. Movieverse fiction uses the movies as the fundamental springing board for their narrative (and is especially relevant to the Fallen). G1 does not have that and is purely organized by aesthetics and convenience. Why are Cyberverse, EarthSpark, and Wild King not "G1" while IDW1 is? Arbitrary convenience. Which is fine, but it still drills in the point that it's not a meaningful categorization narratively or creatively, especially if we're going to eschew it at the article level regardless. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:51, 18 June 2025 (EDT
:::I simply think we should be consistent about how we sort fiction sections within "concept" articles. To use [[Cybertron (planet)]] as an example again, should we no longer organise the fiction entries on that page by continuity family? If you think so, fine, but I think that's a poor idea. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 21:55, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::::That page seems to eschew the Fiction header in the first place (which does take care of my tiny header complaint, I suppose), so it's not quite consistent to begin with. But I don't really consider location and character pages to have the same considerations; Cybertron is pretty much the same across all continuities (backstory varies, yes, but mechanical homeworld of the Transformers is always the status quo) while characters are always shifting, changing, and bringing forward new ideas into next iterations. (Gun to my head, yes, I would prefer chronological, but planet articles are not a priority to me.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:09, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:::::Right, but the thing about the Thirteen et al is that they ''don't'' have the same considerations as other characters, so we treat them the same as other cross-continuity concept articles. I don't think they should have their own unique format that's the only thing on the wiki that ''completely'' eschews continuity families for organisation. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:59, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
Two questions: 1. Are we talking about just the organization of Thirteen/Primus/Unicron pages or across the board, new standard for all pages? 2. For either side (organize by continuity family vs organize by chronology/release date), are there examples of pages with either formatting that can serve as proof of concepts or visuals that show why that specific way is the better one? [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 21:15, 18 June 2025 (EDT)

Bit of an aside but is there a different or more distinct category name we could use? For me and most tf fans I know "Concept characters" brings to mind "concept art" characters, aka unused designs and the like. I think renaming it to "Cross-continuity concept characters" or something similar would make it clearer. —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 22:39, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
:That would be fine by me, yeah. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:59, 18 June 2025 (EDT)
::Yeah, this was the problem that jumped out at me when I first saw the term proposed. Some other suggestions: continuity-agnostic, pan-continuity, meta-continuity, conceptual, lore, mythological, cosmological, multiversal, archetypal, foundational. I don't have a strong preference, just throwing these out there. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 12:54, 19 June 2025 (EDT)
:::conceptual, lore, and mythological feel a bit too... intangible ig? multiversal is way too close to multiversal singularity imo. I'd say continuity-agnostic, pan-continuity or meta-continuity would all be good. (personally leaning towards meta-continuity) [[User:Arren1234|--Arren Meuchel]] ([[User talk:Arren1234|talk]]) 14:41, 19 June 2025 (EDT)

I'm definitely sympathetic towards [[User:Saix|Saix]] with regards to this specific change. The Thirteen are pretty much the tentpole for the "aligned" worldbuilding which pretty much marked the ''end'' of continuity families in the traditional sense, from a creative perspective at Hasbro (not that the concept was one they were considering to begin with). As he says, everything is G1 now, IDW is aligned, ''Cyberverse'' is IDW, and so on. After consideration I prefer the way he's laid it out. ''However'', there's also obviously an argument to be made from a wiki-consistency standpoint, and I want to state for the record that I don't think such a major reorganisation of those pages' contents should have been implemented without a consensus being reached on talkpages ''first''. This should have been a sandboxed proposal, not just something that was done hoping nobody would notice or care enough to raise an objection themselves. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 12:54, 19 June 2025 (EDT)

I apologize if I'm a bit off-base here, since I haven't been following these discussions as closely as some, but it seems to me that there are fundamentally two different things that are being presented here: the evolution of the character concept, and the actual fictional history of the various iterations of the character. If that's the case, wouldn't a good solution be to make a separate section for the former while continuing to organize the latter by continuity family like every other page? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 14:57, 19 June 2025 (EDT)

== Commentary trivia ==

Something I find a bit sad is commentary sounding Trivia having to be deleted from episode pages. Those are funny and can be interesting to see, shame they also hog space. Can there be a middle ground where I cam dump them into, say, wild king episodes Synopsis without sounding...unprofessional? (Because the commentary is one of the best parts of some episode descriptions...)[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 00:02, 3 July 2025 (EDT)

== Mentioned characters ==

Something I did back when I was revamping our coverage of the BotCon/Club stuff was add a "mentioned characters" section to the notes; for examples, see [[Cybertron's Most Wanted]], [[Gone Too Far]], and other stories linked to on the [[Transformers Timelines (fiction)]] page. It's something that we lack on other pages, and I think that it's worth implementing; in particular, when looking through some of James Roberts' work recently for a side project, I was struck by how often characters that otherwise never appear on page are mentioned. What I wanna propose is adding something like to this our media pages in general.

The Problem: I think that the benefits speak for themselves, but it does also come against the fact that we have hundreds (if not thousands) of episodes/comics/other media by this point, and that it's going to be a non-trivial amount of work getting this up to speed. For that reason, I don't really think a template is the best way to go about, especially if they're going to be sitting empty until someone goes back to read those comics or rewatch that episode or whatever. What I do think might be worth considering is that we add in something about doing it for media pages in their notes section here on out, so that we can have a headstart on at least the currently published stuff; once it becomes something feasible for a template on various pages, then I think we can revisit that idea. For my end, I've been contemplating a re-read of the comics for a few years now, and I'm more than happy to add stuff over the time I do that.

If anyone has any suggestions or comments, please respond here. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:22, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
:I always liked how Wookieepedia lists every proper noun in "Appearances" sections ([https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_V_The_Empire_Strikes_Back#Appearances example]). I think this concept should expand to include locations, weapons, et al.—basically everything we would make a page for. Yes, it's work to add stuff, but that's editing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:32, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
::That sounds like something that could be pretty beneficial information-wise, even if it’s a lot of work. I can definitely start doing something like it for my ''Earth Wars'' write-ups as I go through the event stories. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 10:49, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
:I definitely remember thinking—back when you were regularly working on the Fun Publications pages—that your exhaustive approach to filling out the notes sections with mentioned characters and concepts was ''really useful'', but that it could stand to be formalised in some way. As you say, it'd be a huge amount of work to bring articles for even the most popular stories up to that standard. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 11:20, 9 July 2025 (EDT)
::I agree this is something it would be valuable to do going forwards. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]])

== Plagiarism on the other site ==
Basically every EarthSpark character page on the other site is a copy-paste of our own. Some of Cyberverse too. Do we care about this? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:34, 11 July 2025 (EDT)
:I think the important first question is whether there's any attribution (though I assume the answer will be no). -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 15:53, 11 July 2025 (EDT)
::As in, "this was written by TFWiki" or "this is a unique article we here at Fandom invented"? We can see which users have been doing the copy-pasting. There's one in particular who pasted in Earthspark content (just choose a character), another who has been doing some weapons (i.e. [[Electro-scrambler]]). I know full well that fan wikis tend to get copied, so if our position is to simply disregard everything Fandom does, we can stick to that. But their site has, supposedly, had a black-and-white policy dating right back to the split that copying from us is not allowed. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:29, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
:::I think it could be to try and make the fandom wikis page look as good the pages here are. I confess, I did the same to bulbapedia and the fandom pokemon wiki.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 13:12, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
:::I see no reason to not make a stink about it to whatever passes for admin there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:14, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
::::Thylacine - According to CC BY-SA 3.0, they are free to copy our material as long as they provide credit that it was copied from us. If they ''don't'' do that, and I'm very much assuming they don't, then we should absolutely raise hell about it, as M Sipher suggests.
::::As an example, after Wowpedia moved to wiki.gg and became Warcraft Wiki, Fandom put a blanket ban on linking to wiki.gg (for bullshit reasons) and so we've been aggressively deleting any Wowpedia pages that were copied from us because they are functionally unable to provide proper attribution and their staff fucked up and never depowered one of our admins. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 14:31, 13 July 2025 (EDT)a
:::::They are definitely not providing any credit, and they also still have ''as their very first listed policy'' "no copying from Wikipedia or TFWiki." transformers dot fandom dot com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki:Policies#Plagiarism --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:29, 13 July 2025 (EDT)

Their site lists four admins, of whom two are obviously long retired. One who was last active in May is the source of some of the plagiarism, and also showed themself to be unresponsive to multiple direct questions posted on their wall by Fandom higher-ups. That leaves the one who was last active in June. I wrote that one a message summarizing all this as best I can, bearing in mind that systematically comparing pages on some other peoples' wiki is not at all something I am interested in doing. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:02, 14 July 2025 (EDT)
:Honestly, failing any response from their admins (which I will imagine will be the case), I think anyone happening to spot plagiarised material can happily just go ahead and delete it on the spot, citing their own policy of not copying from TFWiki. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 10:11, 14 July 2025 (EDT)
::A response: transformers dot fandom dot com/wiki/Message_Wall:Moviejunkie2009

::I msged the other suggested admins, no response. I did NOT msg the suggested Fandom "community manager" because they have no reason to help us, if anything I expect their response would be to simply erase the relict, circa-2008 anti-plagiarism policy that the current community knows nothing about.

::I do ''not'' enjoy scanning their New Articles page every day and maxing out my allowed daily edits by blanking the neverending incoming pasted pages. I am going to stop doing this. It pisses me off that a zero-effort community can ignore its own rules and steal our work, but it feels even worse to compulsively devote my free time to marginally cleaning up a zero-effort community's messes. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 20:07, 17 July 2025 (EDT)

== The General commercial with Bumblebee and Shaq ==

I think we should have information on this commercial for The General with Bumblebee and Shaq:

https://tformers.com/watch-bumblebee-shaq-acting-up-in-new-the-general-insurance-spot/55134/news.html
--[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 13:11, 26 July 2025 (EDT)

== Maintenance heads up ==

Just to let everyone know, I'm going to take the site offline temporarily in about an hour for maintenance. Should not be offline for too long, hopefully. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:24, 29 August 2025 (EDT)
:And we're back. Thank you for your patience.--[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:43, 29 August 2025 (EDT)
::Thank you for your work, abates! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:53, 29 August 2025 (EDT)

== Coverage idea ==

We should add a "Major events" section to the episode articles. It helps keep track of events alongside continuity notes and could help finding specific episodes better.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 19:07, 16 September 2025 (EDT)
:Struggling to picture what exactly that would look like. --[[User:Arren1234 |Arren Meuchel]] [[User_talk:Arren1234 |(talk)]] 15:07, 17 September 2025 (EDT)
::Like a Major Events header, then the body text is any important Events that happen in the episode. (E.g. Darkest Hour in TFP: The autobot base is destroyed)[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 01:38, 13 October 2025 (EDT)

== Overview of pre-TF page ==
Hey, just posting here to provide a wiki-wide notification of sorts that I started an "Overview" section on the [[Pre-Transformers]] page and it's in dire need of some chunks of summarized information primarily regarding Diaclone and Micro Change and their respective Transformers localizations, as per the various stub markers left in specific sections. It feels like that page has been needing a proper written history of pre-TFs for a while now, so if anyone could help me fill it out then I'd be glad! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 22:14, 12 October 2025 (EDT))
:I'll see about taking a crack at the Diaclone bits as I can. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 00:37, 13 October 2025 (EDT)

Wheelie (G1)

2025-10-06T06:26:11Z

Poliwag06: /* Transformers Retro */ Added description and caption.

{{factions|autobot}}
{| style="margin:0 1em; padding:.5em; background:#f7f8ff; border:thin solid #aaa;display:block;" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
|-
|''The Wheelie discussed in the page that you're on / Is the rhyming bot from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]]. To view all the "Wheelie"s in just one location / Head over to [[Wheelie (disambiguation)]]!''
|}
{{featured|This page's rhymed oration is a [[:Category:Featured articles|font of information]]!}}
:''Wheelie is an [[Autobot]]—just to clear up ambiguities / From a whole bunch of [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1 continuities]].''
[[File:Wheelieg1.jpg|upright=2|thumb|You give Wheelie sass? He ''will'' kick your ass.]]
The diminutive '''Wheelie''' is an Autobot child / But don't let your guard down; he gets pretty wild! 
He's often sold short and gets called hurtful things / But Wheelie won't suffer such arrows and slings! 

You see, he ''survives''; that's just what he ''does'' / You can't keep him down. How so? Well, because 
Of all of the years he's spent fighting in space / With [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]] goons and the [[Quintesson]] race. 

Keeping things peaceful gets a bit tricky / When he hangs out with [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]]. 
This bot and that child are birds of a feather / And they tend to get into trouble together! 

Though reasons may differ across his depictions / Young Wheelie speaks always with curious diction. 
But don't be too hateful to this rhyming bot / Or you'll lose an eye to his fine [[Slingshot (weapon)|slingshot]]! 

{{quote|Wheelie say find friends today!|Wheelie|''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Frank Welker]] (English), [[John Moschitta]] (English, "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3"), [[Kazue Komiya]] (Japanese)|[[Gu Guoyi]] (Chinese), [[Dani Albiac]] (Spain-Spanish), [[Roberto Alexander]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Gerhard Acktun]] (German, "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1 - 5", "Chaos" & "Call of the Primitives"), [[Bernd Simon]] (German, "Fight or Flee"), [[Claus Brockmeyer]] (German, "The Movie" TV Dub), [[Francis Lax]] (European French, "Chaos"), [[Carlos Marques]] (Portuguese, "The Movie" TV dub), [[Orlando Prado]] (Portuguese, "The Movie" VHS dub), [[Úrsula Bezerra]] (Portuguese, "The Movie" Fox Kids dub), [[Mário Jorge Andrade]] (Portuguese, season 3)}}

[[File:Wheelietftmslingshot.jpg|upright=1.5|thumb|Wheelie, you're such an insufferable brat… Careful, you'll take someone's eye out with—]]
After surviving a ghastly crash-landing / [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]] was where Wheelie found himself standing.<ref>This was only shown in an early screenplays' [[The Story of Wheelie, the Wild Boy of Quintesson|storybook adaptation]] / And helps shed some light on his background and situation.</ref> 
Surviving alone quickly toughened him lots / Enough to impress the mighty [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. 
They'd come to Quintessa in search of their friends / And Wheelie was perfectly happy to lend 
His expertise on this strange world to these strangers / To keep them from stumbling face-first into danger. 
After he helped rescue [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] and [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] / They hijacked a [[Quintesson Cruiser|Quintesson ship]] and flew up 
Into space where they destroyed [[Unicron]] / Before returning to planet [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]! 
{{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}
{{note|Wheelie’s actions in this animation / Were also recounted in two [[Transformers: The Animated Movie|print]] [[Transformers the Movie (Ladybird adaptation)|adaptations]]!}}

Wheelie returned in 2006 / When [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] got in a bit of a fix. 
He hadn't received his [[Transformation cog (biology)|transformation cog]] / And getting it to him would be a right slog! 
{{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}}

He formed a delivery duo with [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] / Straight away, though, complications occurred. 
Galvatron left them both stuck on [[Io|a moon]] / They needed to get the cog down to Earth soon! 
{{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3}}

[[File:FFOD4 Autobots lightpoles.JPG|upright=1.5|thumb|Wheelie and I might have our spats, But did he deserve to fight all these bats?]]
The alien [[lightpole]]s descended on them / And Wheelie and Blurr simply couldn't contend, 
'Til [[Marissa Faireborn]] showed up to assist / Bringing her ship down right into their midst. 
Into some missiles the lightpoles converted / Blasting her ship and leaving them deserted! 
{{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

[[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] showed up and defeated the bats / The [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] were similarly dispatched. 
They made it to Earth in a manner quite dashing / And Metroplex gave [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] quite a thrashing! 
{{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

Wheelie listened to Kup as he yick-yacked / About how, on [[Dread (planet)|Dread]], he had fought off an [[Ick-Yak]]. 
Regarding [[Chaos (alien)|Chaos]], Grimlock was curious / But Wheelie was scared and Kup was furious. 
Suddenly, in came a signal from [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] / Someone'd attacked the [[Earth Defense Command|EDC]]—heck naw! 
Together with Blurr, they all boarded Sky Lynx / Ready for mystery-solving high-jinks! 
While scanning the station, Kup's technobabble / Was too much for Wheelie and the rest of the rabble. 
Kup said, only [[death crystal]]s could do this damage / But that explanation was all he could manage 
Before from the sky came [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] and [[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]] / With their new weapon, hoping to gun a shmuck. 
Wheelie and Blurr returned fire with their pistols / As Runamuck blasted a rain of death crystals. 
In typical form, Sky Lynx came to the rescue / Picking up Wheelie and all of the rest too. 
Grimlock begged, once they had barely absconded / For answers, and at long last Kup responded: 
There's only one place in the world you can find / Death Crystals—growing on Chaos's hide. 
On Dread, Galvatron's new acquisition / Kup and Blurr went off on the mission. 
Wheelie and the others followed where they had gone / And good thing—they helped to fight off the Predacons! 
They were able to keep [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] and Galvs distracted / While Kup made a plan that he quickly enacted 
Freeing the [[Dread slaves|miners]], to Chaos he beckoned / Before blowing him up with [[Death crystal cannon|Galvatron's weapon]]. 
Safe back on Sky Lynx, after they'd scrambled / Wheelie groaned as Kup once again rambled... 
{{storylink|Chaos (episode)|Chaos}}

When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] came back from the dead / The [[Quintesson]]s had secretly messed with his head. 
He left [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|now-Hot-Rod]] and the others for scrap / Before leading his army straight into a trap. 
When Hot Rod returned, Wheelie was there / To see Hot Rod quite angrily declare: 
"Where's that stupid truck of ours? / I'm going to light his darkest hour." 
{{storylink|Dark Awakening (episode)|Dark Awakening}}

A Quintesson plot meant time started repeating / While, against [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]], Wheelie was competing. 
He reckoned he had crossed the finish line—a record race / But in seconds he was back a second time in second place. 
{{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming (episode)|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}

On Earth, a dinosaur caused a strange mystery / By stealing the most famous buildings in history. 
The Dinobots were suspects, but that was just hype / It was Trypticon, working for an [[Abdul Fakkadi (G1)|ethnic stereotype]]. 
Wheelie helped the Autobots save the dictator / And was there when Rodimus scolded him later. 
{{storylink|Thief in the Night}}

[[File:Surprise Party Hall of Records.jpg|upright=1|thumb|]]
[[File:Daniel&wheeliesurpriseparty.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Daniel, we are out of time. Yet, Wheelie must complete this rhyme!]]
[[File:SurpriseParty Daniel and Wheelie.jpg|upright=1|thumb|]]
Wheelie's biggest adventure began / At the surprise party for his dear friend Dan. 
[[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]]s crashed the event—in the madness / Wheelie's life was saved by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]]. 
To let Magnus know he was appreciated / They tried to find out when he was created 
Asking around without making it known / To throw him a [[birthday]] party of his own. 
First they asked [[Perceptor (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Perceptor]], who reckoned / The answer might lie in the Hall of Records. 
Next at the Hall, they asked [[Custodiobot|the librarian]] / Who wasn't much help, being quite the contrarian. 
He explained the Autobots of the past employed / [[Lost Cybertronian Storage Asteroid|A secret archive, housed on an asteroid]]. 
Wheelie, being a terrible influence / Stole a garbage ship. By coincidence, 
When he blundered into an asteroid field / (Wheelie's too young to be behind a wheel) 
The meteor into which their ship crashed / Was the very same one where the data was stashed! 
Meanwhile [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], with abnormal patience / Weirdly had garbage ships under surveillance? 
He told Galvatron, who swiftly commanded / He follow and spy on what Wheelie and Dan did. 
Witwicky and Wheelie, assessing their freighter / Were harried by eels that flew out of craters. 
Into a nearby cave the scamps fled / And Wheelie turned on the torch on his forehead. 
They passed through a door with the Autobot sigil / But inside, sentry drones were keeping vigil! 
With the killer robots hot on their heels / And to make matters worse, lots more air eels, 
Wheelie quipped surely that their goose was cooked / The robotic sentries, in a stroke of luck, 
Took out the eels they saw as invaders / Only to sight Wheelie next with their lasers! 
But somehow the sentries were the ones to die—blown up / By unlikely saviours: the [[Sweep (G1)|Sweep]]s and Cyclonus! 
Out of the frying pan, into the fire / Hostages of the Decepticon flier, 
They watched the asteroid get redirected as / Cyclonus threatened the [[First Inter Galactic Peace Conference|peace conference]] delegates! 
Locked up after Cyclonus' recap / Wheelie shone a torch, this time from his kneecap. 
Before long, they heard a distant commotion / And so at last Wheelie sprang into motion 
Ramming the door in his car mode, he gets through / And they found [[Ultra Magnus...to the Rescue?]] 
Magnus commanded they fly off with Sky Lynx / But Wheelie, unwilling to leave him to die, thinks 
Better to not do what Magnus instructs / And instead to turn on the rock's self-destruct! 
With his plan foiled, Cyclonus scarpered / The Autobots made their own departure. 
Back home, Daniel explained things to [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] / Who made a suggestion: he said, if they like, 
Magnus doesn't know when he was born, meaning / They may as well say it's his birthday this evening! 
Wheelie said, shame they only thought of this after / And the episode ended with good-natured laughter. 
{{storylink|Surprise Party}}

Wheelie was present when [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]], the paragon / of the utopian planet [[Paradron]], 
Asked Rodimus Prime and the rest to assist / In freeing his people from Galvatron's fist. 
Using a spare ship as a decoy / They let Galvatron think they'd been destroyed 
Before secretly deploying a platoon / From a secret staging ground on Paradron's moon. 
Wheelie was in Ultra Magnus's squadron / Planning to take back the planet's energon 
But Galvatron's army was much too effective / Forcing them to change the mission objectives. 
Wheelie managed to spot a trapdoor / So Magnus could get to the energon core— 
See, rather than let the Decepticons have it / they decided to blow up the entire planet! 
{{storylink|Fight or Flee (episode)|Fight or Flee}}

When Perceptor unveiled his new generator / Wheelie was stood in the crowd of spectators. 
{{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}

[[File:AutobotsCall.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Our energy was drained. No jokes have remained.]]
When [[Tornedron]] fell into Cybertron's sink / Wheelie, [[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]] and [[Blades (G1)|Blades]] didn't blink: 
They aimed at the spider while pulling their triggers / But their laser blasts only made it grow bigger! 
Their bodies' energy, it drained all that too / Turning them white; they toppled like statues. 
(Lucky for Wheelie, Tornedron's defeat / Presumably put him right back on his feet.) 
{{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

Rodimus led an Autobot strikeforce / To get back Optimus Prime's corpse 
Making up one of the subgroups were / [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]], [[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]], Wheelie and Blurr. 
At the lab, Rodimus Prime made his entry / Ordering Wheelie and the rest to play sentry. 
{{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}}

To hear Sky Lynx tell it, Wheelie had been one / Of the Autobots hurt by a [[Hate Plague|rogue]] [[Superion (G1)|Superion]]. 
(But, that event wasn't seen in the last part / And lying there unconscious wasn't Wheelie, but [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]]! 
So, maybe Sky Lynx was simply mistaken / And Wheelie had gone off on well-earned vacation.) 
{{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2}}

[[Tommy Kennedy]] was feeling quite rotten / Because he thought Optimus Prime had forgotten 
His birthday, so he was nicely surprised / When the Autobots gave him a cake, robot-sized! 
Tommy thanked them, and blew out the candles / And Wheelie cheered just like he had for Daniel. 
{{storylink|Surprise Party#Season 5|Season 5: Surprise Party}}

====Rodimus vs. Cyclonus====
{{note|This later pack-in comic invents / A [[Retcon|new scene]] set during the movie's events.}}
As they blasted off, with Kup ever-rambling / Wheelie wowed Hot Rod with his expert handling. 
They set course for Magnus's last known location / And found the debris from [[Autobot shuttle|that ship]]'s separation. 
Wheelie deduced the Autobots' gambit / And guessed that they'd fled to the nearby [[Junkion (planet)|Junk planet]]. 
But, at that moment, [[Cyclonus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cyclonus]] attacked! / On Kup's command, Wheelie fired back. 
Cyclonus dodged, too agile in flight. / Then Hot Rod was struck by [[Matrix of Leadership|divine insight]]. 
Through Wheelie, Rod hailed Cyclonus to tell 'im / Invoking the [[Challenge of Aria-Bellum]], 
He wanted to meet the Decepticon upon / The ship for a little one-on-one. 
Cyclonus and Rod traded backhands, grappled. / Meanwhile, Wheelie hailed [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] and [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]], 
Who, [[Rayzor Nebula|nearby]], were doing some research / not far from the boss of the [[Sweeps]]—[[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]! 
See, as Cyclonus ranted, Kup listened / So he knew about [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]]'s competition. 
By luring both lackeys to the same region / They pitted Cyclonus against Scourge and his legion. 
While the goons fought over who'd get the kills / The Autobots happily ran for the hills. 
After they split, they landed on Junkion / Where all the new friends would soon get their funk on. 
But, if you want to see them get groovy / You'll have to go watch ''[[#The Transformers cartoon|The Transformers: The Movie]]''. 
{{storylink|Rodimus vs. Cyclonus}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
{{voiceactor|[[Kazue Komiya]] (Japanese)|[[Erika Robledo]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}
[[File:HM ep01 Wheelie beats Tantrum.jpg|upright=1|thumb|''Headmasters'' Wheelie could be as snarky as you please! His words to Chromedome? "It's too late for apologies!"]]
By 2011, Wheelie was too petulant to rhyme / He blamed everything on [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]], like, ''all'' of the time. 
Although a jerk to the core, Wheelie was not all alone / He hung out with [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]], and the two were quite danger-prone. 

While chilling on [[Earth]], the pair were met with surprise / By the titanic Trypticon with glowing death in his eyes! 
The Decepticon gave chase, but Wheelie outsmarted their foe / Luring him onto a busted bridge, where he slipped and fell below. 

They then stowed away on the [[Trainbot]]s and returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] / To help battle the Decepticons with their (limited) brawn. 
Daniel, the wuss, was soon attacked by [[Tantrum (G1)|Tantrum]] / So Wheelie had to pound the bull's head like a drum! {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}}

Before leaving with [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] to face matters unpleasant / [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] bequeathed to Wheelie a very special present. 
It was a mixtape of music he'd composed on his own / And Wheelie played it after Blaster died in battle alone. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}}

As Hot Rod searched Earth for the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] he'd lost / [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] told Wheelie to believe in him, no matter the cost. 
Wheelie brushed off Kup's words, thinking them silly / And was acting all snarky, at least up until he 
Was interrupted by [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress]], who had a better attitude / So he offered to help instead of standing 'round being rude. 
Wheelie, however, couldn't help them one whit / So he went to an arcade with Daniel to complain about it. 
He thought himself far more useful than the adults all around him / And yet even at video games, ''Daniel'' proceeded to pound him. {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}

Next, Blaster's untimely death sent Wheelie into depression / "No one cares Blaster's gone" was his bitter impression. 
But Wheelie was wrong; Rodimus Prime cared quite a bit / He knew Blaster's death was a mistake and sought to rectify it! 
So Blaster was revived as Twincast, much to Wheelie's elation / And thus began the Great Cassette Operation! {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}

[[File:WheelieRebellionBeast01.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Wheelie hears what you mutter. Get your mind out of the gutter.]]
Daniel and Wheelie then stowed away on [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress]]'s battleship / And accompanied the Autobots on their perilous trip 
To the [[Beastformer (species)|Beastformer]] homeworld, known simply as [[Beast (planet)|Beast]] / Where the 'Cons were causing trouble (to say only the least). 
Wheelie and Daniel then tried to rescue the Beastformer slaves / But were imprisoned ''themselves'' in the dungeon-like caves! 
Luckily for Wheelie, the Headmasters were there / They drove off all the villains and rescued the pair. {{storylink|Rebellion on Planet Beast}}

The meteorite [[Metamorphose]] then threatened Autobot space / By warping anything metal in its magnetic embrace! 
Only ''Daniel'' was safe. Only ''he'' could defeat it / Wheelie cheered Daniel on—he was ''sure'' he could beat it! 
But Daniel was a crybaby, a big blubbering sack / So Wheelie chided his buddy and cut him no slack. 
Daniel ''eventually'' manned up and blew up the rock / But Wheelie, ''such a jerk'', continued to mock. {{storylink|Approach of the Demon Meteorite}}

The Trainbots later invited both Wheelie and Dan / To come visit their birthplace in far off [[Japan]]. 
Soon after arriving, [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]] made some trouble / Stirring up the Autobots, who countered on the double! 
The Headmasters went searching all over the planet / While Dan and Wheelie went shopping and...well, ''dammit'', 
The Trainbots shopped ''with'' them, and [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] made a fuss / Causing Daniel to run away crying. (Jeez, what a ''wuss''.) {{storylink|Terror! The Six Shadows}}

Wheelie later observed as the Autobots fought / To reach [[Vector Sigma]] first, for if they could not, 
The Decepticons would get there, and then there'd be trouble / Because they'd use Sigma's [[Cybertonuron]] to turn the Autobots to rubble! 

But they were wrong—[[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] had a more menacing scheme: / To blow up all of Cybertron! How terribly obscene! 
The bombs could not be removed, much to Wheelie's frustration / Leaving Rodimus to call for the planet's evacuation. 
And so Wheelie was forced to watch his planet go KER-PEW! / Poor little guy...his day kind of ''blew''. 
Rodimus then departed on an outer space quest / Leaving [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] to raise Wheelie (or at least do her best). {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 2}}

[[File:WheelieEnergonGlutton01.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Wheelie likes to eat, drink and be merry, His favorite cereal is ''Frankenberry''.]]
Crippled with sorrow over Cybertron's end / The Autobots threw a party to help their wounds mend. 
Wheelie, the hedonist, had too much to drink / And got drunk and passed out, that little rat-fink! 
{{storylink|The Shadow Emperor, Scorponok}}

Along with Daniel and Spike, Wheelie went to Peru / To prevent the members of the Decepticon crew 
From making a volcano blow up sky-high / Leaving the villagers below to helplessly fry. 
As the mountain erupted, they approached in [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] / But he couldn't beat the heat, no matter how hard he tried! 
So Wheelie tried once again, this time with the Trainbots / But the heat drove ''them'' off too, just like they were lame-bots! 
With no options left, they evacuated the town / Saving the villagers while the magma poured down. {{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}}

[[File:WheelieHeadOnFortMax01.jpg|upright=1|thumb|"Excuse me, good sir, I'm beggin' your pardon, But might Wheelie assist in planting your spice garden?"]]
On Athenia, Daniel was planting some seeds / And began watering them to tend to their needs. 
As Wheelie observed this dull gardening show / He was shocked when he saw [[buridanka|the plant]] starting to grow! 
The plant was a creature from the world of [[Darhos]] / That could grow to great heights, turning slimy and gross! 

Wheelie and Daniel called to Spike for some aid / Spike then looked to Arcee (since she was their maid). 
But they could do nothing, and the plant ''almost'' trashed their base / Luckily, Fortress wiped it out, leaving not even a trace. {{storylink|Head On!! Fortress Maximus}}

[[File:HM14 Daniel trips Wheelie.jpg|upright=1|thumb|]]
When Wheelie and Daniel went to [[Mars (planet)|Mars]] on a geological mission / They found that the red planet was in perilous condition! 
Scorponok had planted bombs near the planet's core / And once they went off, Mars would then be no more! 
Then the pair were attacked by the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcon]] [[Rippersnapper (G1)|Rippersnapper]] / Who easily abducted the duo of lame whippersnappers! 

Imprisoned deep underground in a series of caves / Daniel concocted a scheme to trick the foul knaves. 
He staged an argument with Wheelie and even a fake brawl / Which let him secretly send an Autobot distress call! 
The Headmasters then arrived and rescued the youths / But could not find the time bombs. (What terrible sleuths!) {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! Maximus Is in Danger}}

Returned to Athenia, Wheelie looked on in fright / Praying Fortress would survive his terrible fight! 
When they found that their leader had been injured severely / Wheelie swore to the skies that the Decepticons would pay dearly! 
But Wheelie's swearing and screeching couldn't stop what was fated / Mars was blown into bits and [[Scorponok (G1)|Mega Zarak]] was created. {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears}}

With the threat of Mega Zarak now looming ahead / Wheelie admitted to Daniel his feelings of dread. 
But Daniel wouldn't hear it; he knew Fortress was stronger / He'd had enough of Wheelie's crap, and he'd take it no longer. 
So with inhuman strength (and overreacting a bit) / He shoved Wheelie into a lake after throwing a fit. 

Before Wheelie could crush him with his mighty robot fist / A flying saucer zoomed past. (Oh my gawd, aliens ''do'' exist!) 
Daniel thought that the alien might be friend and not foe / So he tried to use a keyboard to communicate with it and, ''whoah'', 
Daniel was completely wrong—about as wrong as you can ''get'' / The alien was ''[[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]]''. (He was off by more than a bit.) 
Humiliated by his actions, Daniel started to weep / Leaving Wheelie no choice but to soothe the little creep. {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}}

[[File:HM17 Daniel and Wheelie have fun with hoses.jpg|upright=1|thumb|]]
When the planet called [[Sandra (planet)|Sandra]] sent an SOS into space / Asking for [[Energon cube]]s to save their dying race, 
The Autobots, always kindly, agreed to give them their aid / And Wheelie and Daniel tagged along to see the delivery made. 
Then the Decepticons attacked! But Spike ''knew'' that they would / And he set up a small cargo ship just so that they could 
Slip away in the battle and deliver the cubes / Wheelie and Daniel laughed out loud at the Decepticon rubes. 
And so the cargo was delivered and Sandra was saved! / Wheelie didn't do much this time, but at least he behaved. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}}

[[File:WheelieHivePlanet01.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Normally, this would bring Wheelie to tears, But he wouldn't touch a ''bug'' in a million years!]]
When the Decepticons [[Apeface]] and [[Snapdragon (G1)|Snapdragon]] showed up at last / [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] told Wheelie all about their mysterious past. 
He revealed unto Wheelie that they used to be friends / But when they joined Scorponok, they could not make amends. {{storylink|Daniel Faces His Biggest Crisis Ever!!}}

Wheelie and the Autobots then found themselves stuck in a race / To prevent the Decepticons from plundering space. 
The planet of [[Hive (planet)|Hive]] was the villains' first victim / But they were thwarted when the Autobots arrived to evict 'em. {{storylink|Fight to the Death on Planet Hive!!}}

As for the twin planets of [[Twin Star|Sperity and Toruin]] / Galvatron planned to ransack them and bring them to ruin. 
As Sperity was attacked for its huge energy stash / Wheelie was sent to Toruin before he could do anything rash. 

And on that barren planet Wheelie made a find: / The people of Sperity had left their old planet behind! 
They had taken their energon far away from there / Which is why Galvatron couldn't find it anywhere! 
Eventually, Galvatron was forced to just call it quits / And the Autobots left the Speritans to start over in the pits. {{storylink|Battle for Defense of the False Planet}}

At ''[[Video Challenger]]'', Daniel proved very skilled / But Wheelie's reaction to him was a little less thrilled. 
So he challenged the kid to shoot an apple that he held up / But Daniel shot his ''arm'' instead when his aim got fouled up. 

A penal colony on [[Daros]] was their next landing point / So they could rescue some war criminals being slaughtered in the joint. 
One of the criminals, though, tried to cut Daniel's neck / And Wheelie was helpless to stop him, but hey, ''what the heck''. 
As it turns out, the criminal wasn't really ''that'' bad / And when he let Daniel go, no one ''really'' got mad. 
He gave information that helped them unravel a serious knot / And let them defeat MegaZarak. (Though they hadn't found his weak spot.) {{storylink|Find MegaZarak's Weak Spot!!}}

[[File:WheelieHeadFormationFriendship01.jpg|upright=1|thumb|So when Wheelie is horny his eyes glow like the Devil's? This is unsettling on ''soooo'' many levels...]]
The Decepticons drew them next to the jungle planet [[Paradise]] / Where they were plundering energy and doing things not-so-nice! 
So with the Headmasters setting out to solve their enemy's tests / Daniel and Wheelie met [[Papika]] and her voluptuous... ''face''. 
Wheelie was smitten quite quickly, and his eyes glowed deep red / It's best not to imagine the thoughts that went through ''his'' head. 

After learning to fish, Wheelie tried his best to impress her / By transforming into a car, but his skills proved the lesser 
When compared to Papika's; she could talk to beasts large and small / Making it clear that Wheelie couldn't impress her ''at all''. 
Later, the Headmasters won the day, just like they always did / And Wheelie gave up on Papika. (She was out of your league, kid.) {{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}}

On their travels, the Decepticons proved formidable foes / Having stolen energy from six planets. Why? ''Lord only knows''. 
Approaching [[Pirate Planet]], Wheelie spotted something quite freaky: / An old space pirate ship that was battered, damaged and leaky. 
And then an awesome adventure immediately began / Involving pirates! And pyramids! Treasure! [[Clone (subgroup)|Clones]]! And...''aw, man''. 
Wheelie sat the whole thing out, letting Daniel have all the fun / Of all the adventures to miss, he had to skip out on ''that'' one? {{storylink|Mystery of the Space Pirate Ship}}

As [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] struggled in vain to crack Scorponok's secret code / Daniel and Wheelie tried to help him cross that long, bumpy road. 
Unfortunately, their "help" proved far too insufficient / And they had to start over from scratch (not very efficient). 
Then Sixshot attacked and blew [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] into bits / And Wheelie attended his funeral between crying fits. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}}

From the Athenia base, Wheelie watched Spike blow his top; / The 'Cons were ransacking Earth and weren't going to stop! 
They were blaming Chromedome for the team's lack of success / But Arcee told them to chill and to give it a rest. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}}

[[File:IRiskMyLifeForWheelie01.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Wheelie likes to blame Chromedome for all that he can. He's a serious douchebag in this cartoon from Japan.]]
On a mission to Earth, Chromedome had just one simple job / To keep Spike from getting killed, but that big robotic knob 
Screwed it all up and Spike went into intensive care / Daniel forgave Chromedome, but Wheelie wouldn't let it end there. 
Chromedome tried to say sorry, but Wheelie said it wasn't enough / Even by ''Wheelie's'' standards, he was treating Chromedome pretty rough. 

As Spike recovered from surgery, Wheelie was then put to work / Helping to find Mega Zarak's weakspot for Chromedome (that ''jerk''). 
After tens of minutes of labor, they all figured it out / The weak spot was on his chest beyond all shadow of a doubt! {{storylink|I Risk My Life for Earth}}

With the Decepticons banished from Earth, the Autobots needed aid / In gathering [[Plasma energy]] bombs so the humans would not be afraid. 
To accomplish this goal, Wheelie offered to call on friends that he knew / But Daniel laughed in his face! Wheelie was friendless and a ''fibber'', too! 

Then much to Daniel's surprise, Wheelie proved him totally wrong / When his good "friends" [[Pointblank]], [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] and [[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]] came along! 
Those Autobots were great warriors! Daniel was very impressed! / But at being called Wheelie's "friends" the trio became very distressed. 
As it turns out, they ''weren't'' his "friends"; Wheelie was an absolute liar! / They were his superior officers! His robo-pants were on fire! {{storylink|Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 1)}}

With Wheelie's good "friends" now turned into powerful [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]]s / The veterans began insulting the obsolete Headmasters. 
In front of Daniel and Wheelie, Pointblank came down on Chromedome / Who feared the after effects of the disrespect he was shown. 
But Daniel and Wheelie didn't respect Chromedome any less / (If they respected him ''at all'' is, well, ''anyone's'' guess). {{storylink|Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 2)}}

[[File:TheWheelieSwordIsInDanger01.jpg|thumb|upright=1|Okay, sure, Wheelie. ''Whatever you say.'' Daniel can't be a Headmaster (in ''this'' continuity, anyway).]]
While set down on planet Master, Wheelie became full of himself / Vowing to become a Headmaster by improving fitness and health. 
Daniel rolled his eyes and laughed out loud; Wheelie's dreams were too silly / Wheelie told Daniel he could ''never'' be one; he was too fleshy and frilly. 
Very early the next morning, Wheelie snuck outside for a run / Only to be captured by Sixshot, whose evil scheme had begun! 

Sixshot threatened to dip Wheelie in acid if Fortress didn't agree / To give up the [[Master Sword]]'s secrets and to do it quickly! 
Pointblank coldly suggested they just let Wheelie melt and die / But Daniel and Chromedome disagreed! They'd save the little guy! 
Going against orders, the pair snuck inside of Scorponok / With Daniel using his size to sneak past the energy locks. 

They got Wheelie out safely, but alas, their rescue was too late / Fortress had just handed over his secrets! Well, ain't that just ''great''? 
Furious at the trio for leaving the ship without orders / He gave them a mop and a bucket and said to wash ''all'' the quarters. {{storylink|The Master Sword Is in Danger!!}}

Thanks to Wheelie's epic failure, the Decepticons took what they stole / And began construction of the [[Zarak Shield]] as their ultimate goal. 
As the Headmasters traversed Master to thwart the sinister plan / Wheelie stood ontop of Battleship Maximus, hanging with Dan. 
They were startled by [[Weirdwolf (G1)|Weirdwolf]], who had concocted a plan all his own / He'd set bombs on the ship and didn't want their cover to be blown! 
Weirdwolf's plan was a success; the bombs completely ruined the ship / And with his fancy new shield, Zarak prepared to beat on the crip. {{storylink|The Zarak Shield Turns the Tide}}

While [[Raiden]] and [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] worked double time on repairs / Wheelie and Dan found themselves useless to help with such affairs. 
As the grown-ups worked diligently to create tactics and plans / The kids went to play video games at their elder's demands. {{storylink|Operation: Destroy the Decepticons}}

With the Maximus repaired, the Autobots set off into space / After Mega Zarak whom they ''once again'' had to chase. 
In an effort to kill time, Wheelie had his ''greatest'' idea yet: / He and Daniel would see what it was like inside a laser turret! 
Then the turret was damaged with Daniel still stuck inside / And jettisoned away from the ship; Wheelie just about ''cried''. 
Daniel made it back (with Sixshot's help), much to Wheelie's relief; / If he had caused Daniel's death, Wheelie would have been crippled with grief! {{storylink|My Friend Sixshot!}}

Sixshot may have saved Daniel, but he was still no Autobot friend / And challenged Chromedome to a duel where he'd surely meet his end. 
Wheelie, that eavesdropping punk, heard about the whole situation / And ran and told Daniel, who wasn't keen on the confrontation. {{storylink|Duel on the Asteroid}}

[[File:FinalWheeliegoodbye.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|Here's a joke that's a real zinger. Go ahead, Daniel, pull my finger!]]
Because of that stupid duel, Mega Zarak made it to Earth first / Once again, it was ''all'' Chromedome's fault (that guy is really the ''worst''). 
Daniel was busy pouting, thinking Sixshot had died in the fight / Wheelie teased the brat, anyway (never one to pass on a slight). 
They eventually reached Earth, but tragedy wasn't far behind: / Spike's plane crashed down in the Andes and they were all in a bind! 
Wheelie followed his good buddy, who had to rescue his mother / And Daniel saved the day, yet again! A true hero! (''Oh brother...'') {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 1)}}

It turned out Scorponok's master plan involved blowing up the Earth / And gathering up the released energy (which was of tremendous worth). 
With friends and justice, the Autobots joined hands in formation / And prevented Scorponok's insidius detonation! 
Mega Zarak destroyed and the Decepticons driven away / Wheelie and Daniel were left with only goodbyes to say. 
Wheelie promised to visit Daniel again when he was older / And though they were apart, their passions would forever smolder. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}
{{--}}

=====''15 Go! Go!'' comics=====
[[File:15GoGo Wheelie.jpeg|upright=1|thumb|Forget about how he speaks: Rag on him for being a freak!]]
While [[Teletraan 15]] performed her / Task, to learn about Transformers, 
Wheelie, being a nasty pervert / Kneeled down and lifted her skirt, 
Pleased to see the snow-white lace / 'Til [[Teletraan 10|10]] kicked him in the face. 
After that, the little pest / Transformed, perhaps to dodge arrest. 
{{storylink|Wheelie Volume}}

Thankfully, [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] grabbed the bastard / And yelled at him for his harassment. 
{{storylink|Kup Volume}}
{{--}}

=====''Legends'' comic=====
[[File:Legends Wheelie.jpeg|right|thumb|Wheelie concedes that soccer is fun, So long as the ball is also a gun.]]
[[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] came back [[2021|ten years later]] / With a plan to detonate a 
[[Black hole (phenomenon)|Black hole]], absorbing its [[Plasma energy|energy]] / And destroying all his enemies. 
[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress]] and his crew attempted / To reach the bomb, and intercept it. 
But, they forced Scorponok's hand / To blow it sooner than he'd planned. 
Thinking of the children, Fortress / Turned to Wheelie with new orders: 
Take the [[Headmaster Junior|Junior Headmaster]]s / On a ship to dodge disaster. 
The black hole turned to searing white. / Did Scorponok win? Not quite. 
The effect was not what he'd been thinking / Rather, they all started shrinking! 
Fortress quickly gave a lecture: / Black balls, pulling each [[transtector]] 
From inside the body cavity / Had formed from the black hole's gravity. 
The fact that Wheelie left before'd / Kept him alone from being [[Super deformed|deformed]]. 
The other bots all had to shed / Their bodies, just becoming heads. 
To get new ones, they all hurled / Headfirst to the [[Legends World]]. 
{{storylink|Headmaster Chapter Prologue}}

Later, at a soccer game / Having clearly [[#15 Go! Go! comics|felt no shame]], 
Wheelie (christ, this sucks, dear reader) / Flipped the skirt of [[Arcee (G1)|a cheerleader]]. 
[[Shūta Gō|Shūta]] wished Wheelie was paying / More attention to him playing. 
Wheelie argued soccer's boring / Not at all like ''real'' warring. 
With a blast, a pitch invader / Put a pin in that for later— 
[[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] had stormed the field / With [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]'s head under heel! 
Transforming, the boys sprang to action. / The head was kicked—meaning, match on. 
Leaping up from Wheelie's cockpit / Shūta met the play and blocked it, 
Converting to head mode, such / That Wheelie got [[The Touch|the touch]]. 
The crowd knew to root, and roar / For Shūta Gō did shoot—and score. 
Galvatron fell to the grass / And, out climbed [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]]! 
"Maybe soccer has its kicks" / Wheelie said, assaulting chicks. 
{{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 29|Bonus Edition Vol. 29}}
{{--}}

====''TV Magazine'' comic continuity====
=====''The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers''=====
In 2010, [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] hatched a plan, 
To gobble up spaceships as fast as he can! 
To accomplish this, he built a mechanical creature 
With huge, toothy jaws as its primary feature. 

[[File:Transformers2010MangaIssue5PrimeEnergyDefense01.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Want to compensate for being a tiny one? Then just buy yourself an enormous gun!]]
The Autobots found out and were quickly deployed, 
Vowing not to give up until the beast was destroyed! 
Wheelie was among the heroes enlisted to fight, 
And helped [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus]] sneak inside the gargantuan blight. 
Rodimus blew up the creature with a smartly placed bomb, 
And when the Autobots celebrated, Wheelie joined right along. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 1|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #1}}

When planet [[Feminia]] and its [[Prime Energy Tower]] 
Came under attack from Decepticon power, 
Wheelie joined the Autobots in defending the thing, 
Though their best efforts proved futile against [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]]. 

Observing the fight, Wheelie compared it to a game, 
Prompting [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] to lash out, calling him stupid and lame! 
The Decepticons eventually lost and were driven away, 
When the [[Omnibot (G1)|Omnibot]]s arrived to help win the day! {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 5|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #5}}

=====''The Great Transformer War''=====
During a battle between [[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]] and [[Computron (G1)|Computron]], 
Wheelie mocked and insulted the defeated [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcon]]! 
But Wheelie's cries of joy soon became cries of horror, 
When the Terrorcons brainwashed the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobot]] warrior! 

The [[Cohesive Control Liquid]] had seized Computron's mind 
And forced him to join up with the Decepticons' kind! 
Luckily, [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] was there, observing the fight, 
And used a special device to turn everything right! {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 2|The Great Transformer War #2}}

=====''The Headmasters'' comic=====
[[File:DanielWheelie.jpg|upright=1|thumb|When you have at this frame peered, You'll have to admit, it's pretty weird.]]
Shortly after the defeat of [[Scorponok (G1)|Mega Zarak]], 
[[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundblaster]] showed up and began to attack! 
Wheelie, unprepared, took a kick right to the face. 
All can agree he was put in his place! 

When [[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]] and [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]] took hostage [[Carly (G1)|Carly]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]], 
[[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]] went berserk and started to strike! 
Sending the [[Decepticon Mini-Cassette|Cassette dinosaurs]] running back home, 
Soundblaster was left open to an attack from [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]]. 

As the Autobots left Earth, Wheelie and Daniel said "Goodbye." 
They cuddled and they snuggled and started to cry. 
{{storylink|The Headmasters issue 8|The Headmasters #8}}
{{--}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics====
[[File:Wheelie judgment day.jpg|thumb|upright=1|We don't see him giving the Dinobots trouble His part was chopped down to just one speech bubble.]]
[[File:Wheeliefurmanism.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Though his speech filters through a rhyming prism, Wheelie still can manage a [[Furmanism]]!]]
{{note|Below, the italics is just a mnemonic / To show that this happened in the UK comic.}}

''In one possible future timeline / Wheelie appeared suddenly on the sidelines 
''He'd found a ship while on the run from Quintessons / To which Hot Rod was welcome—good first impression! 
{{storylink|Judgment Day!}}''

''On Junkion, when their ship made its arrival / Wheelie bore witness to Magnus' revival. 
''(One can assume things went otherwise similar / To [[#The Transformers cartoon|Wheelie's adventure as was seen in cinemas]].) 
{{storylink|The Final Battle!}}''

''Wheelie later returned to [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]] / Acting as Rodimus Prime's intercessor. 
''Wreck-Gar, about to be Sharkticon chowder / Was rescued by Wheelie, who dropped him a ladder. 
''With Quintesson fighters patrolling, they waited. / Unsure whether to run, they debated. 
''Wheelie convinced him, and so they scrambled / Using emergency thrust as a gamble. 
''Jets overheating, pursued by a squadron / Wreck-Gar set course for the Delta Six quadrant. 
''There, on an asteroid, his Junkion friends / Had the [[Quintesson Journal|message canister]] ready to send. 
''In a flash, Wreck-Gar's radio station / Successfully ruined the Quints' reputation. 
{{storylink|Space Pirates!}}''

====Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic====
In the background, he briefly emerged / On a Cybertron highway near Blurr and Scourge. 
{{storylink|The Power and the Glory}}
{{--}}

===Marvel coloring books===
[[File:Wheelie Treasure Coloring Book.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1|Wheelie's battery-powered and knows how to vibrate! (No, that's not what we meant, you perverted primate.)]]

Wheelie and others were enjoying a picnic / When Kup chose to share an unusual titbit: 
Long ago, back when the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] crashed / They lost some [[energon cube]]s—a large cache! 
Hot Rod thought it was a no-brainer / To go on a hunt for the missing container. 
But [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]], who had been secretly spying / Escaped with the news thanks to his clever flying. 
With no time to waste they went back to [[Autobot City (G1)|the city]] / Where Ultra Magnus gathered up a committee. 
But by the time they arrived at [[Mount St. Hilary|Mt. St. Hillary]] / Galvatron was claiming the cubes for his villainy! 
[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] saw everyone caught up with brawling / Opened his mouth, and shovelled the cubes all in! 
Galvatron, not similarly energon-empowered / Was still an even match for the coward. 
So, while the two would-be leaders were bickering / The Autobots sidled off home, snickering. 
{{storylink|The Lost Treasure of Cybertron}}

When Hot Rod and Daniel were attacked by [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and the [[Sweep (G1)|Sweep]]s, 
Those wicked Decepticons were playing for keeps! 
He fled from the scene to go fetch some reinforcements. 
Wheelie moved so fast he could've had NASCAR endorsements! 
At Autobot City, Ultra Magnus heard the news 
And soon those evil Decepticons were singing the blues! 
{{storylink|Hot Rod's Escape}}
{{--}}

===Big Looker storybooks===
[[File:Wildboyofquintessonbattle.jpg|upright=1.5|thumb|So you think that Wheelie's stupid and just hate his guts? Well Wheelie's ten times cooler than ''you'' are, you sniveling putz!]]

While Wheelie was flying through space with [[Wheelie's parents|his parents]] / Their corkscrew-shaped rocket ran out of propellant. 
When it exploded, Wheelie was thrown forth and / Left on [[Quintessa (planet)|the planet]] dazed, lost, and orphaned. 
The [[Quintesson]]s came across the boy where he fell / And dragged him away to one of their cells. 
Not long after regaining consciousness / Wheelie got a taste of Quintesson justice: 
When he was pushed out over a [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]] tank. / But, leaping up in an arc from the plank, 
Wheelie fled out through the halls to the jungle / And attempts to recapture the boy were all bungled. 
Thanks to a firestone sling and a laser knife / And the love of his parents, he eked out a life. 
On Earth, loading up boxes one by one / [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] and friends prepared for a supply run, 
But the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]]s loaded too much shipment on / And so they too wound up crashed on [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintesson]]! 
Luckily Wheelie leapt out from the treeline / To take out the Quintessons creeping up behind. 
Wheelie turned to go, but got stopped / By a friendly greeting from Hot Rod. 
With more reinforcements quick to follow / Wheelie and his friends fled into the hollow. 
Together with Hot Rod, Wheelie raced / To his parents'—and their ship's—resting place. 
The others bought them the time they required / For Hot Rod to fix the ship so they could fly her. 
Wheelie, on watch, thought he felt an earthquake / But it was only the Dinobots making the ground shake. 
He motioned for them to get onto the corkscrew / And waved, sad he'd soon have nobody to talk to. 
But at the last minute, Hot Rod made him get on! / So went {{storylink|The Story of Wheelie, the Wild Boy of Quintesson}}

===Toy pack-in material===
On a moon base, Wheelie helped Rodimus Prime. / Hot Rod was weirdly there at the same time...? 
{{storylink|Decipher the Decepticon}}

===3H comics===
[[File:Departure-WheelieDaniel.jpg|upright=1|thumb|For Daniel only Arcee cried, But poor Wheelie also died!]]

Wheelie and [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]], now much better fighters / Helped [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] hold off an army of [[Nightbird (G1)|Nightbird]]s 
So [[Doctor Fujiyama the Famous Scientist|Doc Fujiyama]], the legion's creator / Could make an escape on a [[Micro Trailer]]. 
Just as the doctor made it to evac / A ninja-bot stabbed Wheelie in the back. 
As Wheelie lay dying, his friend Daniel stayed / To make a last stand, pulling out a grenade. 
Together they went out in a blaze of honor / As Arcee watched on from the shuttle in horror. 
{{storylink|Departure}}

[[File:Wheeliebrawntapoutescape.jpg|upright=1|thumb|This Wheelie's not one for hawing and hemming, He'll jump into lava pools like a lemming.]]

A different Wheelie to that old one / Plucked from [[Primax 1108.10 Alpha|his home timeline]], wound up in the [[Cauldron]], 
Where kidnapped Transformers were forced into duels / Releasing their [[spark]]s to give [[Unicron]] fuel. 
Freeing the prisoners, [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] and [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] / Led Wheelie and countless more abductees in revolt. 
Wheelie helped stop the two sparring brothers / [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] and [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]], from killing each other. 
After watching [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] take / A leap of faith into a molten lake 
Only for [[Primus]] to come to his rescue / Wheelie jumped in, passing the test too. 
In beams of light, the [[Child of Primus|Children]] dispersed. / Maybe Wheelie went back to his universe? 
{{storylink|Escape (Universe)|Escape}}
{{--}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:PassiveAggression-Wheelie.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Wheelie's gone feral! (Let's hope he's sterile.)]]
[[File:WheelieGnaw.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Dreamwave made one good decision: Giving Wheelie supervision.]]

{{note|In [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s Generation 1 reboot / Wheelie was depicted as totally mute.}}

When [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] took over as Cybertron's commander / Not every bot fell for his propaganada. 
Out in the Wastelands, the rebels met freely / And at some point they picked up [[Gnaw (G1)|Gnaw]] and Wheelie. 
Wheelie was an orphan—the [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]] / Had decided to act as the little bot's guardian? 
Later, after Gnaw rescued [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus]] / It was Wheelie and [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] who stopped him just 
In time from killing the shark by mistake / In his confusion once he was awake. 
Wheelie, taking after his new dad's example / Gave Optimus Prime a bite on the ankle. 
{{storylink|Passive Aggression}}

Convening once Shockwave's rule was no more / [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Magnus]] gave Wheelie and Hot Rod a chore, 
One that Hot Rod thought a waste / Of their talents: to guard [[Autobase]]. 
{{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}
{{note|The following issue was [[Unreleased Dreamwave issues|cancelled abruptly]] / Because of Dreamwave Productions' bankruptcy.}}
As they watched over Prime, still in [[CR chamber|stasis]] / The sound of a [[Space bridge|space bridge]] put shock on their faces. 
Come to steal Prime from his unconscious swimmin' / Was the worst enemy they'd yet faced: [[Female Autobots|women]], 
Designed by a [[Quintesson]] illuminati / To conquer with feminine skill and karate. 
[[Elita One (G1)|Elita]] stomped Hot Rod, grinding her heel in. / Wheelie stayed back and hid in the ceiling. 
Seeing his shark dad fall to one chop / He waited 'til they walked below him, then dropped. 
[[Moonracer (G1)|Moonracer]] fell but before he could beat her / Wheelie was kicked to the floor by Elita. 
As she loomed over and readied her spear / [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] and [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] appeared! 
Though they saved Wheelie, they were too late / The Quintesson agents left through their gate. 
{{storylink|Unreleased Dreamwave issues#Issue 11|Generation 1 #11}}
{{--}}

===''Lil Formers''===
Wheelie thought [[#The Transformers cartoon|his last role]] would prove he / Had acting chops for [[Transformers (film)|the live-action movie]]. 
{{storylink|Lil Formers|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 15}}

Even though he talked in rhyme / Wheelie could one day be [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]! 
[[Alpha Trion]] checked the list / He'd come after [[Roller (G1)|Roller]] and [[Twin Twist (G1)|Twin Twist]]. 
{{storylink|Lil Formers|Spotlight: Wheelie}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
{{first|''[[Spotlight: Optimus Prime]]''}}
[[File:Wheeliesurvival.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Wheelie is sad, For once again he's been had!]]
[[File:Arachnosaurslwheelie.JPG|upright=1|thumb|]]
[[File:Chaosterosslwheelie.JPG|upright=1|thumb|]]
Wheelie's actions in [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s war / Weren't the type that you'd write verses for. 
When [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Magnus]]'s launcher ran out of rockets / Wheelie'd be standing by to restock it. 
Finally, [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] gave him a mission: / To find a new planet that they could exist on. 
Of course, with Wheelie's luck being the worst / His ship hit a radiation burst. 
Systems crashing—and with them his vessel / Wheelie could only send a distress call. 
{{storylink|Spotlight: Wheelie}}

(The message made it to [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]] / Who had better things to do with his time.) 
{{storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}}

The place he arrived at sure wasn't heaven / But Wheelie's own hell: [[LV-117]]. 
Salvaging all that he could from the wreck / Wheelie got by with some jury-rigged tech, 
Including a transmitter up in his aerie / Along with a slingshot for when things got hairy. 
Hoping to find a lifeform worth meeting / Wheelie would try the [[universal greeting]], 
But all the fauna was numb to his charm / And worse, a [[Chaosteros]] bit off his arm! 
Though he rescued his limb (from the creature's manure) / The injury wasn't so easy to cure; 
For from that point, when he'd convert / His presumably-dead arm would hurt.

After meta-cycles passed / A shooting star gave hope at last. 
Wheelie set out on the trek / To find any surviving mechs. 
But on the way to find the ship / A spiderweb caused him to trip— 
Buried in the desert floor / There waited an [[arachnosaur]]! 
His [[energon converter]] pack / Was all that stopped him being a snack. 
The unit, though, was worse for wear / And took him ages to repair. 
He came across a lake of lava / With a bridge to take him farther. 
Changing mode despite the pain / He thus drove down the cryptic lane.

At last he saw the ship's detritus / And, with it, [[Spectro]] and [[Spyglass]]! 
The pair of mean Decepticons / Had [[Varta|an alien]] in bonds. 
His slingshot destroyed the cuffs / Distracting them just long enough 
For Wheelie to sneak on their ride / Only to find a corpse inside! 
Seeing [[Viewfinder|Viewfinder]]'s Decepticon symbol / Wheelie knew the choice was simple: 
Even if the ship could fly / He'd never let a stranger die.

Following traces, bit by bit he / Tracked the fleshling to a city. 
There, he found a waiting vessel / But its owner sought to wrestle! 
Wheelie quickly called a truce / And asked if he could be of use. 
The alien's translator chimed: / He needed to speak in rhyme! 
So, he tried a little harder / And soon he could converse with [[Varta]]. 
The only thing the rocket needed / Was a little fuel to feed it. 
His energon converter mustered / Just enough to prime the thrusters! 
But when they would least expect so / Wheelie's friend was shot by Spectro! 
Forced to choose between departure / Or to save his new pal Varta, 
Wheelie let them steal the rocket / But minus one important socket. 
So, the converter overloaded / and the rising ship exploded.

Using all the scrap that fell / The pair soon made a place to dwell, 
And by the time of one year later / Speaking rhyme was second nature. 
{{storylink|Spotlight: Wheelie}}

[[File:Cloaked Wheelie the Stars My Destination.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1|Wheelie has done things he cannot forget. (But he'd do them again without regret.)]]
Proving that he wasn't feckless / Wheelie wore a tooth-filled necklace 
And a furry cloak he'd gained / From some monsters that he'd slain. 
To finally breach the atmosphere / He and Varta buccaneered 
[[Quintesson spacecraft|Another ship]], shaped like a corkscrew / Filled with wildlife to talk to. 
Just in time—armageddon / Came to LV-117. 
Its blue sky turned to bloody red / As [[Unicron|the great destroyer]] fed. 
But in a crazy twist of fate / Optimus showed up—bit late! 
(We must ask you for your patience / This part takes some explanation.) 
[[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]] had seeded the planet / As part of his [[Regenesis]] plan: it 
Had become unstuck in time / And the same happened to Prime, 
Named once more Orion Pax as / He chased Shockwave's coach, [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]. 
[[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] ran poor Varta through / So Wheelie opened up his zoo; 
The Chaosteros and arachnosaur / Duked it out with [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]]. 
Jhiaxus, from the corkscrew's heights / Gloated he held the device 
Shockwave built to wield the power / [[Ore-1]] had to [[Time travel|shape the hours]]. 
Wheelie shot up at the ship / And knocked it from the madbot's grip. 
In a flash, the rest were gone / Leaving him the only one. 
{{storylink|Syndromica (2)}}

Wheelie, forced to relocate / Flew to [[LV-118]]. 
There, he took up playing [[Transformer music|music]] / Which he found quite therapeutic. 
The Chaosteros he'd brought along / Could be wrangled with his songs.

He shared the planet with a crew / Of aliens who'd crashed there too. 
They nicknamed him the "'''Jangle Man'''" / But they weren't his biggest fan; 
They stripped his ship for all its worth / Then gave the 'bot a wider berth.

After several years passed by / [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rodimus]] fell from the sky. 
Stranded, [[Acid rain|acid-tossed]] and lost / He angered the Chaosteros, 
Wheelie, though, was there to save / His life inside the monster's cave. 
Dragging him back to the ship / Wheelie fixed his damaged hip. 
Rodimus was much surprised / To learn that Wheelie had survived 
But Wheelie couldn't quite recall / Being an Autobot at all.

The two of them were found by [[Garnak]] / But Wheelie gave his head a hard smack 
So that, while he was unconscious / He could be tied up by Rodimus. 
Their goals, it turned out, were compatible / So they went to lure the [[Admiral]] 
Out from [[Tantiv-Nas|the organics' spaceship]] / Which couldn't fly without the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]. 
While [[Codder]] and the Admiral / Fought off Wheelie's animal 
The three of them, aboard, were able / To connect some jumper cables 
From the Matrix, fast enough / To send them safely blasting off. 
After Rodimus passed out / Wheelie had to set the route! 
{{storylink|Space Opera Part 1: The Stars My Destination|The Stars My Destination}}

Wheelie thought it would be best / To take the Matrix from his chest. 
When Rodimus found out they'd gone / "home"—as in, to Cybertron 
He became extremely panicked. / He'd meant ''[[Earth]]''—a different planet! 
Luckily, the "things" outside / Were [[Sunstreaker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Sunstreaker]] and [[Ironhide (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ironhide]]! 
Thrilled to meet old friends once more / Wheelie gave Ironhide a tour 
But their tales would have to keep / They were spotted by a [[Sweep (G1)|Sweep]]! 
Rodimus and Wheelie chased / The scout across the empty waste; 
With his slingshot, Wheelie aimed / And shot down the spying plane. 
But, despite their best intentions / They had [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]]'s attention! 
They fled, a squadron giving chase / And hoped their ship could get to space; 
The Matrix spent, it'd haveta fly on / A battery left by [[Alpha Trion]]. 
Thankfully, the engines started / And so, to Earth, they all departed. 
{{storylink|Space Opera Act 2: Out of the Silent Planet|Out of the Silent Planet}} {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 4|Heart of Darkness #4}}

[[File:IDWongoing21 Wheelie.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.5|Inside, there's a voice, real small That says, ''They didn't miss you at all.'']]
There, the Autobots were thrilled / To reunite with those thought killed. 
{{storylink|Space Opera—Final Tableaux: Orphans of the Helix|Orphans of the Helix}}

[[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] and Wheelie went / To spy on Galvatron's intent. 
Wheelie aimed his sniper rifle / From a tower to get an eyeful. 
Not content to simply peep / Wheelie had to kill a Sweep! 
With one shot, he blew the mission / And gave away their team's position. 
A savior came, but though they'd begged for one / They didn't think it would be ''[[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]]!'' 
{{storylink|Chaos Part Two: Numbers|Numbers}}

Things only got worse as the Decepticons began to merge / Creating the [[Deceptigod]]; a most terrible scourge! 
Wheelie fell back with the others as the monster did advance / And it destroyed Omega Supreme, who didn't stand a chance. 
{{storylink|Chaos Part Three: Kings|Kings}}

Wheelie could do nothing but scramble in the huge creature's wake / But luckily [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Hot Rod]] was around to make Optimus break 
Open the Matrix so its energy could be released / And with no thanks to Wheelie, the monster's threat suddenly ceased. 
{{storylink|Chaos Part Four: Genesis|Genesis}}

[[File:Syndromica1 pax and crew.jpg|thumb|Underage drinkin' is hella bitchin'! (This stays between us; don't be snitchin'!)]]
[[File:Bludgeon Wheelie Syndromica1.jpg|upright=1|thumb|"Hey, let's all shit on Wheelie! That sounds like plenty of fun!" Writers hate this guy more than that [[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|certain other someone]].]]
With his mind not so well after years of taking flight / Wheelie sought active duty to keep his brain going right. 
So he accompanied Hardhead and Garnak with a smile / Guarding the sinister [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] in self-imposed exile!

On [[Arduria]], Wheelie became discombobulated / When [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] had Jhiaxus fiercely liberated! 
In pursuit of [[Regenesis]], the villains immediately fled / To the distant LV system (a place that messed with Wheelie's head). 
{{storylink|Syndromica (1)}}

He and his friends gave chase through space's vast infinity / But found not their quarry but another [[Reflector (G1)|'Con trinity]]. 
It was none other than the trio that ''should'' have been dead. / And yet somehow they were out piloting a spaceship instead! 

The reason for this soon became known (if not so much ''clear'') / When they followed them to a place that filled Wheelie with fear. 
It was the very same planet where Wheelie had been stranded / (And the same place where Reflector had gotten his ass handed). 
For [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]] had tampered with this world, long long ago / And plucked it from the lockstep of time's regular flow. 
Flashes of the past and future collided, ''cor blimey''! / All in all, it was an adventure most ''timey-wimey''. 
Orion Pax went back in time on some ridiculous trip / And in the end Jhiaxus made away with the 'Con's spaceship. 
{{storylink|Syndromica (2)}}

[[File:HardheadShootsWheelie Homecoming.jpg|upright=1|thumb|]]
They chased that evil rascal all the way to [[Gorlam Prime]] / In the desperate hope that they could possibly stop him in time. 
Their investigation led them deep beneath the surface / To an abandoned city that served no obvious purpose. 
Wheelie found out the hard way to keep his hand in his pocket / As a corrosive dissolved his arm right up to its socket. 
The city turned out to be a slumbering [[Titan (group)|Titan]] / Whom Jhiaxus awoke, primed and ready for fightin'! 
With his colossal new pal, Jhiaxus quickly flew the coop / Leaving Wheelie behind to disintegrate alongside his group. 
Gorlam Prime was dissolving, but Orion wasn't scared: / For just such an occasion, he had an [[Skyroller|escape ship]] prepared! 
At last understanding Jhiaxus's convoluted scheme / One-armed Wheelie set course for Cybertron (along with his team). 
{{storylink|Homecoming (IDW)|Homecoming}}

The ship tried to escape Gorlam's gravity well / But they couldn't break free! Things didn't look swell. 
The ''[[Lost Light]]'' soon saved them, and blasted ahead / All the way home, while Wheelie spoke with Hardhead. 
Wheelie said that the [[Knights of Cybertron|Knights]] were a lie, and he didn't believe / But there was no time to argue, because Orion had to leave! 
{{storylink|Dark Dawn: Dark Cybertron Chapter 1|Dark Dawn}}

Pax left for the [[Dead Universe]], that cold, morbid realm / Wheelie wished him farewell and let Pax take the helm. 
{{storylink|Black Metal: Dark Cybertron Chapter 2|Black Metal}}

While Orion embarked on his perilous trip / Wheelie and Garnak remained behind on the ship. 
Orion, in trouble, asked the pair for a lift / But Wheelie informed him that there was no more rift! 
The former Prime was stranded, he couldn't get through / And poor Wheelie had no idea what he could do. 
{{storylink|The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|The Becoming}}

But Wheelie and Garnak hadn't thrown in the towel! / Though we don't know how, they met up with [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]]. 
The redoubtable trio—plus new friend, [[Stardrive]]— / Were next to be seen on [[Regalis V|Regalis Five]]. 
Marooned [[Throttlebot]]s were under some threat / From bad [[Maximal]]s—but weren't dead yet! 
{{storylink|The Dead Come Home, Part 1 (of 2)|The Dead Come Home, Part 1}}

They boarded [[Peaceful Revolution|Prowl's ship]], and all took a seat / Put it in gear, and made hasty retreat. 
{{storylink|The Dead Come Home, Part 2 (of 2)|The Dead Come Home, Part 2}}

The crew persevered despite Cybertron's scouring / Then helped save the Earth! Pretty empowering! 
{{storylink|Road's End}} {{storylink|Assembly (Unicron)|Assembly}} {{storylink|Ceremony}}
{{-}}

===''Henkei! Henkei!'' pack-in manga===
[[File:Henkei 11 cover.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1|When your parents have a new kid, Out you go on the dustbin lid!]]

As a full-on member of the [[Mini-Vehicle|Minibot]] team, 
Wheelie went on a mission that was more than it seemed. 
Following energy signatures, the group of peons 
Unearthed a dino-Transformer who'd been buried for eons! 

Wheelie wasn't congratulated for his hard work. 
Instead, the confused [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] up and went berserk! 
[[Hot Shot (G1)|Hot Shot]] intervened and handed the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] defeat, 
Which was good news for Wheelie, who almost became dead meat. 
{{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 11}}
{{--}}

===''TransTech''===
[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] was mistaken, by [[Flareup (G1)|the]] [[Megatron (G1)|bots]] [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|he'd]] [[Transcendent Technomorph|meet]], for / Wheelie, [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]], [[T-Bob]], and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]. 
{{storylink|Bee in the City}}

[[File:TFvsJoe8 HarvesterUnitWheelie.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Makes you lose respect for Transformers collectors.]]
===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe''===
A [[harvester unit]] was spotted by [[General Flagg|Flagg]] / Picking up Wheelie to melt him to slag. 
{{storylink|Pax Megatronus}}

But he survived that, and all the duking! / He lived on to salute [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]], the new king. 
{{storylink|The War Never Ends}}

===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' marketing material===
Wheelie was gunning to take the lead / Over [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]], on [[Velocitron|the planet of speed]], 
With [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Squeezeplay (G1)|Crashbash]] shooting their tyres / To kidnap Blurr's partner [[Haywire (G1)|Hyperfire]]! 
{{storylink|Titans Return: The Power of the Titan Masters}}

===''Last Bot Standing''===
[[File:LastBotStanding3-WheelieSteeljawSharpclaw.jpg|upright=1|thumb|How time takes its toll. You know how the saying goes: One day, heads will roll.]]

The most annoying 
Bot in [[Steeljaw (IDW)|Steeljaw]]'s whole crew was 
Named the Veteran. 

Steeljaw used the group's 
[[Biofuel|Food supplies]] to first revive 
All the better ones. 
{{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 2|Last Bot Standing #2}}

He was brought online 
To talk to [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]], who 
Wasn't much psyched to 

Learn that he, Wheelie, 
Reduced to a rolling head, 
Now spoke in haikus. 

Kindly, Wheelie let 
Rodimus embrace [[Shib Wallkis|Shib]], who 
He wanted to eat. 

[[File:LastBotStanding3-WheelieBitesRodimus.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Not the same writer— How strange they too think Wheelie's An [[#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|ankle-biter]].]]

To his shock, Shib used 
[[Energon key|Her key]] to put Rodimus 
Back up on two feet. 

Sending goons to warn 
Steeljaw, he made his last stand 
(So to speak), floored it— 

And chomped on Rod's leg. 
Unimpressed, Rodimus kicked 
Him into orbit. 
{{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 3|Last Bot Standing #3}}

His head, stuck in space, 
Could be glimpsed, even after 
The end of their race. 
{{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 4|Last Bot Standing #4}}

===Energon Universe===
When Quintessa's judge's attentions were turned / To more pressing matters, the court was adjourned. 
Leaving their alien prisoners to chew on / Just what had stayed their cruel execution. 
At the back of the cell, a bot in a cloak / Asked them to hush—and rhymed as he spoke. 
The slim 'bot—''Wheelie!''—staged a breakout / His slingshot forging their escape route. 
A few were caught and dragged back in / By Sharkticons with toothy grins, 
But soon, the bot-hunt rapidly ended / And Wheelie wasn't apprehended! 
His friends assumed they'd lost the scent / But Wheelie worried what it meant. 
Indeed, the Quints had planned to go try and / Take back their ultimate weapon: [[Goliant]]! 
{{storylink|Void Rivals Energon Universe 2025 Special story|Energon Universe 2025 Special}}

Later, [[Pythona]] arrived with her squad / And soon was attacked by a cephalopod. 
Wheelie slingshotted the eye of the squid / Suggesting that the three of them hid.
{{storylink|Void Rivals issue 23}}

==Commercial appearances==
[[File:Sharkticon G1 Commercial.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Being lunch is not a lark Better punch this rotten shark.]]
Wheelie fought with [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] and [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] / As [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]]s tried to gobble them up! 
{{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Sharkticon|Sharkticon commercial}}

Joined by [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]], they thought they could stack up / Against Galvatron—but he brought backup. 
Using a pistol instead of his slingshot / Wheelie couldn't do much to stop [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]]. 
{{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Sixshot|Sixshot commercial}}

==Games==
===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
{{note|An NPC, [[you]] fight Wheelies in the same way / Many times during [[Decepticon]] gameplay.}}
{{storylink|The Transformers (G1 PS2)|The Transformers}}

===''Transformers Legends''===
[[File:TFLegends-Wheelie.jpg|upright=2|thumb|Unlocking him ain't all that hard First, you draw your credit card...]]
[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], having beat [[Unicron]] / Met up with Wheelie for a reunion 
With [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], deciding to take pity / And fly back to help rebuild [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]. 
Having at some point picked up a grievance / The [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]]s meanwhile were plotting malfeasance. 
Taking poor Wheelie quite by surprise / They beat him (and probably unlocked a prize). {{storylink|Junkion Reunion}}

When the trial of [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] and [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]] commenced / Wheelie was a key member of the defense. 
Wreck-Gar, [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]], and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] nudged / The [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]]s to turn on the judge. 
{{storylink|Mockery of Justice}}

On [[Earth]], it seems that Wheelie liked / To hang out with kids on bikes. 
{{storylink|Transformers Legends (mobile game)#Sunset|Sunset}}

===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
[[File:Battle-Tactics-Wheelie-(Gen).jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.5|Usually considered kind of a "meh" pick This is the one time he's been called "epic".]]
Wheelie (Gen) fought, heedless of faction. / Multiple Wheelies got in on the action! 
This Epic character could be [[you]]rs / For the low, low price of 650 Cybermetal 350 Transmetal 150 Exclusive Cores 50 Wheelie (Gen) Cores 
{{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics|Transform and Roll Out!}}
{{--}}

===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
He picked out his [[Alternate mode|Alt Mode]] sooner than most did / But Wheelie's friends still thought of him as a kid. 
Still, he was charming, speaking in rhyme / A habit he'd maybe grow out of in time. 
{{storylink|Transformers Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook|Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook}}

==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
[[File:G1-toy Wheelie.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|You think I'll get taller when I get older? Right now, my head's lower than both my shoulders!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Wheelie''' (Mini Vehicle, [[1986]])}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number'': '''C-80'''
{{toydesigner|[[Floro Dery]] (concept artist)}}

:In just a few steps, Wheelie's G1 toy / Turns from "minicar" to a strange looking boy.
:We think his alt-mode, which looks pretty nifty / Was based on the ''[//oldconceptcars.com/1930-2004/fiat-abarth-record-car-1956/ Fiat Abarth 750]''.
:Of the [[Mini-Vehicle|Minibots]] from 1986 / Wheelie's the only new mold in the mix.
:He came with a rubsign, for checking his faction / And early ones came with a badge you could [[Iron-on patch|patch-on]].
:Instead of a blister, when sold by Takara / He was packed in a box with [[Tech Spec|a card]] of his artwork.
:This mold was [[redeco]]ed into [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Orion / Pax]]'s old dockworker friend, [[Dion (G1)#Collector's Edition|Dion]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Wheelie/wheelie.htm If you head on to TFU.info / there's much more on Wheelie that soon you will know!]''
{{-}}

===''The Transformers Collection''===
[[File:G1Wheelie toy.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|The latest trend in space fashion: Making your face ashen.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Future Cybertron''' (Multi-pack, [[2005]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''20'''

:When reissued for ''[[The Transformers Collection]]'' / Wheelie was given a brand new complexion
:[[Show-accuracy|To match with the show]]—no longer orange / His face, now gray, smiles out from under his door hinge.
:But that's not all! The set also includes / [[Kup (G1)/toys#The Transformers Collection|Kup]] and [[Recoil (G1)#The Transformers Collection|Recoil]], [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]] dudes.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/Wheelie/wheelie.htm You guessed it—check out the great TFU / to find out much more on this gray reissue!]''
{{-}}

===''Universe'' (2008)===
[[File:Wheelielegendsuniverse.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Bumblebee swine, Your [[alternate mode|alt mode]]'s mine!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Autobot Wheelie''' (Legends Class, [[2009]])}}</ul>
:*''Series'': G1 Series
{{toydesigner|[[Bill Rawley]] (Hasbro)}}

:''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' Wheelie, from the [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] / Is still pocket-sized but much more badass.
:He now turns into a "[[Junkion (planet)|Junk Planet]] speeder"<ref>Wheelie's cardback calls him this / Assuming Hasbro's not taking the piss.</ref> / Sculpted with a [[Slingshot (weapon)|slingshot]] for spooking the reader.
:If a redecoed version is something you lack / "You can have any colour, [[Shadow Striker (ROTF)#Revenge of the Fallen|so long as it's black]]."

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/TFUWheelie/wheelie.htm For more on ''Universe'' Wheelie / check out TF University!]''
{{--}}

===''Henkei! Henkei!''===
[[File:Henkei-toy Wheelie.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Wheelie's popular in Japan, but hey, that ain't a crime. Why do they like him so much? Because he doesn't... talk poetry.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Minibot Spy Team''' (Multi-pack, 2009)}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''C-19'''

:The same as above, but a little more mellow / ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' Wheelie's a light orange-yellow.
:With one more friend, they could've sold us a four-pack / Alas, he just came with [[Cosmos (G1)#Henkei! Henkei!|Adams]] and [[Warpath (G1)#Henkei! Henkei!|Warpath]].
{{-}}

===''Generations''===
[[File:Generations china import deluxe wheelie.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Recently Wheelie has gotten much buffer From lugging about a pair of subwoofers.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Wheelie''' (Deluxe Class, [[2012]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Two speakers, slingshot/blaster

:The beefiest Wheelie was from ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' / The "Global Development Organization"
:Used the mold of ''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)#Hasbro Reveal the Shield subline|Reveal the Shield]]'' [[Jazz (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Jazz]] / With the [[C joint|C-clip]] speakers that other toy has.
:Aside from a new head, Wheelie also [[5 mm post|swapped]] / Jazz's dumb gun for his classic slingshot!
:But in a bit of a branding disaster / The [[package art]] still shows him with Jazz's blaster.
:The toy was [[exclusive]] to Asia, before / Hasbro released it in [[Toys"R"Us]] stores.
:Aside from Jazz, the original tooling / Was used for a few other figures including:
:''[[Transformers United|United]]'' [[Ricochet (Headmasters)#United 2|Stepper]], and from ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' / [[Stepper (SG)#Timelines|Stepper again]] and [[Longarm (SG)#Timelines|Longarm]]'s [[Customizing#Customizing class|Custom Class]],
:[[Treadshot (SG)#Timelines|Treadshot]] employed the mold's [[Retool#Gang-molded alternate parts|alternate head]] / While [[Kick-Off (G1)#Timelines|Kick-Over]] tooled a brand new one instead.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/GDOWheelie/wheelie.htm You know the drill, here's Wheelie GDO / as covered by TFU.info!]''
{{2010JazzMold}}
{{-}}

===''Kre-O''===
[[File:KreO-Toy Wheelie.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|So what if no other Transformer listens? He's compatible with [[Built to Rule!|other building]][[LEGO|-brick systems]]!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Autobot Wheelie''' (Kreon Micro-Changer, 2014)}}</ul>
:*''Collection'': '''''Age of Extinction'' Collection 2'''
:*''Accessories'': Logo brick, large rifle

:This [[blindpacking|blind-bagged]] Wheelie, made up of bricks / Was part of ''[[Kre-O]]'' [[Micro-Changer]]s Wave 6.
:Molded in orange that borders on [[neon]] / He can be built as a car or a [[Kreon]].
:The helmet he uses is borrowed from [[Hound (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Hound]] / He has no ID code, and so, to be found,
:You'll either have to buy his whole damn box / Or stand in the aisle feeling for his blocks.
:[[Toys"R"Us]] dropped [[exclusive|the line]], so every fan had ta / Buy them from Asia, Australia or Canada
:In 2015, though, the fans were in luck / Dollar Tree sold them each for just a buck.
{{-}}

===''Titans Return''===
[[File:TF-Generations-Titans-Return-Legends-Class-Wheelie.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Hey, world, are you jelly? I fit tiny men in my belly!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Autobot Wheelie''' (Legends Class, [[2016]])}}</ul>
{{toydesigner|[[John Warden]] (Hasbro)}}

:For ''Titans Return'', Wheelie's new figure / (another Legends, [[Legends Class (2005)#The end of Legends as we knew them|but a little bit bigger]])
:is more closely based on the show than his last was / and turns into a car which can seat [[Titan Master]]s.
:In robot mode, he stands just shy of four-inch / Tastefully decked out in two shades of orange,
:But his collector card's art is differently hued / And depicts a slingshot he doesn't include.
:A space for a [[Insignia|badge]] sits just under his chin—though / the final toy puts it right on the window.
:[[Quality control|Tolerances]] vary with this toy, some copies / Don't quite peg together and seem a bit floppy.

::*[http://www.tfu.info/2016/Autobot/TRWheelie/wheelie.htm For Wheelie's toy from ''Titans Return'' / TFU.info has more you can learn!]
{{--}}

===''Legends''===
[[File:TF-Legends-LG29-Wheelie.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Run to order me on your computer, I come packaged with a little Go Shooter!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Wheelie & Goshooter''' (Two-pack, 2016)}}</ul>
:*''ID number:'' '''LG29'''
:*''Release date'': [[September 24]], 2016

:[[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s release of that same Wheelie lavished / Him with tons of paint to make him more [[Show-accuracy|slav-ish]].
:The clear windshield lets his insignia come through / But in car mode one more's stuck right on the front too!
:[[Shūta Gō#Legends|Goshooter]] and Wheelie were sold as a pair / The former can sit inside if you so care.
{{-}}

===''Studio Series''===
[[File:SS-toy Wheelie Grimlock86.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Hasbro you big jerk, My legs won't work!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Grimlock & Autobot Wheelie''' (Leader Class, [[2021]])}}</ul>
:*''Movie'': ''The Transformers: The Movie''
:*''Hasbro ID number'': '''86-06'''
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SS-64'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[May 29]], 2021
:*''Accessories'': Slingshot
{{toydesigner|[[Evan Brooks]] (Hasbro), [[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Mario Carreiro]], [[Christina Murphy]] and [[Amy Bence]] (packaging),<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/live/52ddGYMyvpE?si=7l7OP6YeEB9W82xR&t=9841 Transformers Panel] at [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2024]] with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Evan Brooks]], [[Mark Maher]], [[Marcelo Matere]], and [[Nate Purswell]].</ref> [[Marcelo Matere]] (packaging artist)}}

:In 2021, Hasbro devised / To sell the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]]s at the right size.
:At long last the fans would finally snag / The full team, starting with [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Studio Series|Grimlock]], then [[Slag (G1)/toys#Studio Series|Slug]]
:And all the rest under ''[[Studio Series]]'' / Why does this matter? Well, here's our theory:
:Hasbro's designers began with a fear / That with only three or four Leaders per year
:And rising production costs on the horizon / How could they do them all without downsizin'?!
:Simple: start small, and with the leftover budget / Try something—surely the fans won't begrudge it
:If maybe they threw in a fun little freebie / A [[Size class|Core Class]] figurine of their little pal Wheelie.
:But pretty soon they had the realization / They could only afford five-point articulation<ref>[https://www.instagram.com/p/CcEdhw_OI5u/ The reason why ''Studio Series'' Wheelie kinda sucks / Was explained on Instagram by Evan Brooks]</ref>
:So when they revealed him, the fans all seethed / "Why, this Wheelie's got no knees!"
:"Since when did you guys care about Wheelie?" / "Uhh, since always, we care EXTREMELY."
:"He can ride Grimlock! Isn't that fun? / And he looks just like he did [[The Transformers: The Movie|in G1]]."
:They raged: had it really come to this? / A squatting, smirking, rhyming homunculus.

{{-}}{{anchor|SSCore}}
[[File:Studio-Series-Core-Class-TFTM-Wheelie.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Smaller than the [[Mini-Vehicle|rest]], I can still tussle with the best!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Autobot Wheelie''' (Core Class, [[2022]])}}</ul>
:*''Movie'': ''The Transformers: The Movie''
:**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SS-98'''
:*''Accessories'': Slingshot
{{toydesigner|[[Evan Brooks]] (Hasbro), [[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] (detailing), [[Mario Carreiro]], [[Christina Murphy]] and [[Amy Bence]] (packaging),<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/live/52ddGYMyvpE?si=7l7OP6YeEB9W82xR&t=9841 Transformers Panel] at [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2024]] with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Evan Brooks]], [[Mark Maher]], [[Marcelo Matere]], and [[Nate Purswell]].</ref> [[Marcelo Matere]] (packaging artist)}}

:When ''[[Studio Series]]'' added the Core Class / Hasbro could engineer Wheelie with more mass,
:Still smaller than ''[[#Titans Return|Titans Return]]'' in height / So, next to others, he [[scale]]s just right.
:His window opens, but there's no throne / The only head Wheelie seats is his own.
:The front of the car mode's a little bit square / And his fists are just hanging back there
:But that's just the price you pay / For an [[Show-accuracy|accurate]] robot-mode on display—
:Plus his slingshot kind of rocks! / Quintessa's printed on his box.
{{-}}

===''Age of the Primes''===
[[File:AOTP Wheelie.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The little guy's back, with no knees in sights. He must have claimed squatter's rights!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''G2 Universe Grimlock / Autobot Wheelie''' (Leader Class, [[2025]])}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy name:'' '''Grimlock (G2 Universe) & Wheelie''' (グリムロック (G2ユニバース) ＆ウィーリー)
:*''TakaraTomy ID number:'' '''AOTP-09'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date:'' [[2025]] [[August 30]]
:*''Accessories:'' Slingshot
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro),<ref>[https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Zhi6Y6EkU/ ''Age of the Primes'' panel] with [[Hasbro]] designer [[Mark Maher]] at [[Cybertron Con 2024]] Day 1, recorded at the "Giant Peng Peng" (巨大化鹏鹏) BilliBilli channel.</ref> [[Yūya Ōnishi]] (TakaraTomy)<ref>[[December 10]], [[2024]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjmcMC9nNoA Transformers Age of the Primes Reveal | Dive into the Legacy of the Thirteen Primes | Hasbro Pulse] on YouTube, with Mark Maher.</ref>}}

:Grimlock's small rider was released two times: / One in ''Studio Series'', one in ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]]''.
:While [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Age of the Primes|Grimbo]] is decoed like he was in G2, / Wheelie had no 90s look to redo,
:So here he is colored like [[Earl Norem]] did / In that [[The Story of Wheelie, the Wild Boy of Quintesson|Big Looker book]] you had as a kid!
{{-}}

===''Transformers Retro''===
[[File:RetroG1Wheelie.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Wheelie's third new mold in just a few years/Someone at Hasbro must really be all ears]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Autobot Wheelie''' (Deluxe Class, [[2026]])}}</ul>
:*''Accessories:'' Slingshot
:To at least someone's joy and glee/''[[Transformers Retro]]'' made yet another Wheelie.
:Well for a boon/he's now a Deluxe, that blends toy and toon.
:Colors of the former/general cues and slingshot of the latter.
:Like the rest of his line that he's a part/he's exclusive to Walmart.
{{comingsoontoy}}
{{--}}

==Merchandise==
===''Transformers Choco''===
[[File:Tfchoco wheelie.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|In the show, Wheelie's fate's vague. But looks like he caught the [[Hate Plague]]!]]
*'''Wheelie''' (1986)

:This [[Kabaya]] [[Candy toy|candy kit]] / Is a sprue of Wheelie's bits
:Cast in red, blue, grey, or green / And maybe others we've not seen
:Put together in a snap. / He transforms, just looks like crap.
:Like [[Transformers Choco|his fellow candy bots]] / He came packed with "Chocolate Dots".
{{--}}

===Imaginarium Art===
[[File:ImaginariumGrimlock.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|This midlife crisis Looks the nicest!]]
*'''Grimlock''' (2018)
:A static Wheelie came attached to / This 20-inch-high Grimlock statue,
:Slingshot pulled back to deliver / Death to a Sharkticon shiver.
:150 made, it cost two grand: / Hope your wife will understand.
{{--}}

===''ULTIMATES!''===
*'''Grimlock''' ([[2023]])
**''Accessories'': Wheelie figure, mind transfer helmet, apron, serving tray, 6 drinking glasses, fish, crown, 6 sets of dino forelimb claws

: Roses are red
: Violets are blue
: A non-transforming figurine of Wheelie was included with ''[[Super7#Transformers ULTIMATES!|Transformers ULTIMATES!]]'' [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#ULTIMATES!|Grimlock]]
: Whoop-de-doo
{{--}}

==Notes==
[[File:ToyFair1986-TFpage01a.jpg|thumb|upright=1| I could've had a touch of blue, But [[Hasbro]] said "that just won't do."]]
[[File:FriedmanAuctionWheelieModelEdit.jpg|thumb|upright=1|It sure is a good thing I'm not black and yellow; You might've confused me with [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)|some other fellow!]]]]
[[File:Unused AHM Wheelie concept.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Two designs that we were spared, Because nobody really cared.]]
*[[Floro Dery]]'s said, of all his designs / Wheelie's the one he most fiercely maligns!<ref>[http://transformersph.blogspot.com/2007/06/interview-with-floro-dery.html An interview made in the Philippines, wherein Floro Dery is really mean!]</ref>
*From Dery's art, Takara's guys / Could not work out Wheelie's size. They gave the test shot—once complete—a / height fifteen centimeters! All that extra space could go to / Adding in a flywheel motor, Better steps for transformation / proportions, and articulation. Even once they made him smaller / They still had plans to install a Pull-back motor in his chest / Hence why his head-height ain't the best.<ref>On page 68 of [[Transformers Generations 2011 Vol. 2|''Transformers Generations / 2011'' Vol. 2]], you'll find this information. Though of course, depending if you're from [[Japan|that nation]] / You'll probably need to find a translation.</ref>
*The toy which appears in [[Toy Fair 1986|this catalog]] ain't / The finalised figure—which had different paint! Though that Wheelie didn't end up going on sale / He used those colours in [[Transformers: The Movie (Marvel comic)|more]] [[Space Pirates!|than]] [[The Story of Wheelie, the Wild Boy of Quintesson|one]] tale!
*In 2010, [[Ron Friedman]] sold off some old / Character models—Wheelie's was gold!
*Several voice actors including [[Mona Marshall]], [[Robbie Lee]] / [[Charlie Adler]] and [[Jennifer Darling]] all had auditioned for Wheelie.
*Wheelie was in [[commercial]]s and the show / Frank Welker provided both voices, although His lines in the former had a lower pitch / Producing, on balance, a performance which Sounded a lot, and we're sure you'll agree / Like the voice of the {{w|The Smurfs|Smurfs'}} good friend "{{w|Johan and Peewit|Peewee}}"!
*In the cartoon's dub shown in Italy / Wheelie speaks noticeably differently. His rhyming speech is left wholly unsaid / He just randomly says "wroom wroom" instead.
*As making new models just would've been harder / His model was [[Generic|used]] in ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|Transformers: Armada]]'': Though his color scheme [[Uprising (Armada)|wasn't a set one]] / [[Past|A notable case]] was named [[Endo]] in retcon.
*Look at his ''[[Spotlight: Wheelie|Spotlight]]''—[[Klaus Scherwinski|Scherwinski]] employs / A look for him based on that of [http://jizaitoys.seesaa.net/article/34599110.html JIZAITOYS'].<ref>This inspiration might first have been caught / By a sharp-eyed fan on [[Chris Ryall]]'s [http://ryalltime.blogspot.com/2008/02/who-said-music-industry-is-dead.html Blogspot].</ref>
*For ''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]'', to make him less weedy / Wheelie was redesigned by [[Guido Guidi]]. But seeing as he was marooned on [[LV-117|a comet]] / There was no way he could show up in the comic.
*''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)| Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Slap Dash (ROTF)|Slap Dash]] seems / To use Wheelie's colour scheme.
*According to a crossword clue / In ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'', Wheelie's parents' home was none / Other than planet [[Gobotron]]!
*''[[Transformers: Earth Wars| Earth Wars]]'' [https://twitter.com/transformerswar/status/980474879001718785 announced] that he'd soon join the game! / As [[April Fools' Day|April Fools']] jokes go, pretty lame.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Wheelie''' (ウィーリー ''Wīrī'')
*''English:'' '''Willy''' ([[Omni Productions]] dub)
*''French:'' '''Tourbillo''' (Canada)
*''Hungarian:'' '''Ugrabot''' (''The Movie'')
*''Italian:'' '''Scooter''', '''Saetta''' (''The Movie'')
*''Korean:'' '''Wheelie''' (휠리 ''Hwilli'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Wiley''' (Taiwan, 威利 ''Wēi Lì''), '''Zhuàn Lún''' (China, 转轮, "Reel")
*''Portuguese:'' '''Rodinhas''' (Portugal Comic)

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:Age of the Primes Autobots]]
[[Category:Beast Machines Autobots]]
[[Category:Dreamwave Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Energon Universe Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 1 cartoon Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 1 toy Autobots]]
[[Category:Generations]]
[[Category:Henkei! Henkei! Autobots]]
[[Category:IDW (2005) Autobots]]
[[Category:Kre-O Autobots]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:Legends Autobots]]
[[Category:Marvel Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Mini Vehicles]]
[[Category:Poets]]
[[Category:Studio Series Autobots]]
[[Category:The Headmasters Autobots]]
[[Category:Titans Return Autobots]]
[[Category:Transformers Roleplaying Game Autobots]]
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]
[[Category:Universe Autobots]]

Talk:Rattrap (BW)/toys

2025-10-01T00:37:07Z

Poliwag06: /* This is a bit unnecessary but... */ new section

==Rotating wheel==
I never got around to ask this but what is the purpose of Transmetals Rattrap's back wheels/hind legs being being able rotate about 90 degrees? It's not mentioned in the instructions nor have I seen it being mentioned here. Only way to access it by pulling the leg/wheel out when you go into vehicle mode and then rotate it. But it doesn't have any purpose in that mode either because the wheels ends up floating. --[[User:Wildstreak|Wildstreak]] ([[User talk:Wildstreak|talk]]) 16:02, 26 February 2022 (EST)
:Sounds like yours are stuck. The wheels are supposed to rotate a full 360 degrees and then some, in either direction. They're the back wheels to his vehicle mode that rolls on all fours. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:25, 26 February 2022 (EST)
::Okay, my mistake. I wasn't very clear with what I said. There is a joint that lets the hind legs rotate 90 degrees when you pull it out for transport mode. When you do that, the wheels don't touch the ground because the legs get in the way and that they are also raised up by a few inches. The feet also stick out from the back when they are rotated. In robot mode they sort of act as some outwards moving skirt pieces but like I said, it really doesn't show up in the instructions or is mentioned anywhere else and has no purpose of the joint being there to rotate in the first place. So if you own Rattrap, try it and see for yourself. [[User:Wildstreak|Wildstreak]] ([[User talk:Wildstreak|talk]]) 08:15, 1 March 2022 (EST)

== Kingdom: Beast mode alternate gun storage ==

I've discovered that you can store Kingdom Rattrap's gun between his robot-mode thighs in rat mode, which is a lot more discreet than tabbing it into his side as the instructions suggest, if a bit phallic. Could this be considered an undocumented feature? The shape of the thighs and the gun and the size of the spot seems too close to be a coincidence. Pic attached to show what I mean. {{unsigned|Dabir}}

[[File:KingdomRattrapUnderGun.jpg|thumb]]

== This is a bit unnecessary but... ==

I feel we should maybe address the fact that MPG Rattrap and Missing Link Arcee came out on the same day...bringing the "Great Aunt Arcee" joke back once again. The timing feels too much of a coincidence to not be on purpose...[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 20:37, 30 September 2025 (EDT)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2025-09-16T23:07:55Z

Poliwag06: /* Coverage idea */ new section

Sheeldron

2025-08-17T10:56:03Z

Poliwag06: Undo revision 1857857 by Primm slimm (talk) I don't know if this should be here

{{factions|autobot}}
:''Sheeldron is an [[Autobot]] [[Battle Master]] from the [[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:Sheeldron EarthWars.jpg|thumb|400px|]]

'''Sheeldron''' is a fearless fellow, leaping into battle without any forethought or regard for his own wellbeing. Thankfully he's fairly durable, though, possessing dense armor plating. In the event that he is caught by surprise by the enemy, he is able to reflect their kinetic energy back toward them.

When the time calls for it, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] wields this Battle Master as his Energon-shield, and charges into battle!<ref>[https://www.walmart.com/ip/Transformers-Generations-War-for-Cybertron-Series-Inspired-Optimus-Prime-Battle-3-Pack/205077575 "...Optimus Prime charging into battle with his Energon shield and Energon axe with the included Battle Masters figures!"]</ref>

==Games==
===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
{{charstubgames|{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}}}

==Toys==
===''War for Cybertron Trilogy''===
[[File:WFCNetflixtoy-Sheeldron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I sound like a Pokémon.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Optimus Prime''' (Battle 3-Pack, [[2020]])}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''WFC-11'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[February 20]], [[2021]]

: A redeco of ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Earthrise]]'' [[Soundbarrier#Toys|Soundbarrier]] in translucent yellow, ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' Sheeldron transforms from a robot into a shield. Sheeldron possesses [[A.I.R. Lock System]] connectors on each end of their shield mode, allowing them to connect to bases and other Battle Masters to form ramps. Additionally, a "[[Fire Blast effect]]" can be attached to Sheeldron, simulating gunfire colliding with them.

: It is highly likely that Sheeldron suffers from the same breakage flaws as Soundbarrier, due to the extensive use of clear plastics in his jointing.

: Sheeldron was only available as part of a multi-pack with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#War for Cybertron Trilogy|Optimus Prime]] and [[Enerax#Toys|Enerax]]. This set was a [[Walmart]] [[exclusive]] in the US and Canada, but a standard retail release in Japan in the sixth wave of ''War For Cybertron Trilogy'' product.
{{-}}

==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Sheeldron''' (シールドロン ''Shīrudoron'')

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Battle Masters]]
[[Category:C.O.M.B.A.T. Bots]]
[[Category:Earth Wars Autobots]]
[[Category:Shields]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron Trilogy Autobots]]

Ashkan Kashanchi

2025-08-17T10:29:03Z

Poliwag06: Undo revision 1857851 by Primm slimm (talk) I don't think this is relevant

'''Ashkan Kashanchi''' (b. ???) is (was?) an actor. That's about all we know about him.

==Roles==
===Transformers (2007)===
*[[Mahfouz]]

==External Links==
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2393994/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1 IMDB entry]
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=66218 Anime News Network entry]

{{stub}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Kashanchi, Ashkan}}
[[Category:DreamWorks]]
[[Category:On-camera actors]]