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Black Veil Brides

2011-08-04T16:44:42Z

Ratchethide: New page: Black Veil Brides is a rock band from Hollywood, California that consists of five guys who dress like hair metal is still popular. Their song "Set The World On Fire" is on [[Dark of the Mo...

Black Veil Brides is a rock band from Hollywood, California that consists of five guys who dress like hair metal is still popular. Their song "Set The World On Fire" is on [[Dark of the Moon: The Album]].

[[Category: Musicians]]

Skillet

2011-08-04T16:35:29Z

Ratchethide: New page: Skillet is a Christian rock band from Memphis, Tennessee. A remix of their song "Awake and Alive" is on Dark of the Moon: The Album. Category: Musicians

Skillet is a Christian rock band from Memphis, Tennessee. A remix of their song "Awake and Alive" is on [[Dark of the Moon: The Album]].

[[Category: Musicians]]

Dark of the Moon: The Album

2011-08-04T16:30:09Z

Ratchethide:

{{disambig2|the album of contemporary hard rock music|the album of orchestrated music actually in the movie|Dark of the Moon: The Score}}
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'''''Transformers: Dark of the Moon — The Album''''' is an album containing songs from or inspired by ''[[Dark of the Moon (film)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]''. It was released by [[Warner Bros.]] on June 14, 2011.

==Tracks==
*1. "Iridescent" — [[Linkin Park]]
*2. "Monster" — [[Paramore]]
*3. "The Only Hope for Me is You" — [[My Chemical Romance]]
*4. "Faith (When I Let You Down)" — [[Taking Back Sunday]]
*5. "The Bottom" — [[Staind]]
*6. "Get Thru This" — [[Art of Dying]]
*7. "All That You Are" — [[Goo Goo Dolls]]
*8. "Head Above Water" — [[Theory Of A Deadman]]
*9. "Set The World On Fire" — [[Black Veil Brides]]
*10. "Awake and Alive (The Quickening - Rock Radio Remix)" — [[Skillet]]
*11. "Just Got Paid" — [[Mastodon]]

==Other versions==
The iTunes Deluxe version includes the exclusive tracks:
*12. "Many Of Horror" — [[Biffy]]
*13. "The Pessimist" — [[Stone Sour]]
*14. "Goodbye - Gate 21 (Rock Remix)" — [[Serj Tankian]] feat. [[Tom Morello]]

The Game Stop version of the album contains the exclusive tracks:
*12. "Lifelong Dayshift" — [[Middle Class Rut]]
*13. "Graveyard Dancing" — [[D.R.U.G.S.]]

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[[Category:Albums]]
[[Category:Dark of the Moon media]]

User:Ratchethide

2011-08-04T02:49:10Z

Ratchethide: New page: I like cheese. Also, the Bay movies rule. I just missed the eighties; that's my excuse. Ratchet (Movie) rules.

I like cheese.

Also, the Bay movies rule. I just missed the eighties; that's my excuse.

[[Ratchet (Movie)]] rules.

Mudflap (ROTF)

2011-08-04T02:44:41Z

Ratchethide: Added caption to image of Ravage chasing Mudflap

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{{disambig3|Mudflap}}
:''Mudflap is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]] portion of the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].

[[Image:ROTF_Mudflap_promo.jpg|thumb|350px|Despite appearances, his chest is not someone's face.]]

The goofy-looking '''Mudflap''' and his [[The Twins|twin]] [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] are a result of a split spark, and share a close bond accordingly. Mudflap is hyperactive, noisy, argumentative, and eager... not that different from his brother. He's so desperate to impress that he comes off as having the robot equivalent of ADHD. <ref>[[Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe]]</ref> When they're not trying to outdo each other in crazy, daredevil antics, the twins are usually bickering with each other over anything. Like Skids, he possesses hyper-reactive optical imaging scanners, making him able to process tactical information faster than any other Transformer (except Skids).<ref>[[Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Skids Profile, Transformers #1 (Titan, Vol.2)]]</ref> As irritated as Mudflap gets from Skids' vocal one-upmanship, he realizes that they actually work best as a team.<ref>[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/Battle-Bios.cfm Hasbro Mudflap Battle Bio]</ref>

Each twin can transform into smaller, separate vehicles or combine into a single, more durable alternate mode, <ref>[[Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Skids Profile, Transformers #1 (Titan, Vol.2)]]—greatly expanded from his ''[[Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe]]'' bio</ref> but whether they can combine similarly into a larger robot mode remains to be seen. Upon first arriving on [[Earth]], Mudflap and his brother took the form of a beat-up old ice cream truck, but he later [[Scanning|scanned]] a Chevy Trax for a disguise, and, sometime after that, a Chevrolet Spark. That being said, it's unlikely the twins will keep an alt-mode for long.

{{bigquote|Nobody messes with the twins!|Mudflap while doing damage to [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]]|''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]''}}

==Fiction==
===Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics===
[[Image:Titan2-1_Mudflap.jpg|left|thumb|Quick! We have to get to auditions before the cool characters!]]

Sometimes, he has a small forcefield in vehicle mode. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.7|Turnabout}}

Mudflap first met [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] when they were about to be thrown into a [[smelting pool]]. It was fun! {{Storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.2|Dogfight!}}

Mudflap and Skids happily stayed on Cybertron, going through intensive training (which ''totally'' wasn't goofing off) and having extreme-sports contests. Neither wanted to leave their homeworld, and they were the only Transformers on it until [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] turned up with [[Purple generic drones|a Decepticon army]]. When they heard him mention a [[Star harvester|star harvester]], Mudflap said they should tell someone...but was a bit upset to find out the fastest way to do that would be to leave Cybertron and tell the Autobots in person.

The decision was made for them when the Decepticons attacked. Mudflap took some hits, causing Skids to obliterate the Decepticons responsible, but for the most part, their training paid off. However, he realised they were running out of places to run, so he followed his brother in leaving the plane, with only one course of action remaining: follow the message [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] had beamed into space and head for [[Earth]]. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

The twins made it to Earth soon, crash-landing in Toronto, Canada. On the way in, Mudflap hit a [[Wikipedia: CN Tower|big tower]], and was a bit guilty since he knew how these primitive luddite humans still needed radio waves (the saps). They swam their way to Ball's Falls, where they picked up Earth alternate modes and, Mudflap taking charge, set out to try and find local Autobots and warn them about the star harvester.

Driving along the wrong side of the Interstate, the twins were attacked by the [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seeker]] [[Ransack (ROTF)|Ransack]], who pursued them across open countryside, trying to kill them on Starscream's orders. Mudflap transformed and blinded the old Decepticon with a fistful of dirt, which bought the twins some time to find cover. However, the airborne enemy kept up with the twins, and Mudflap lost a chance at cover when he ran back to save his brother. Luckily they were saved by Bumblebee, who attacked and forced Ransack to retreat. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.2|Dogfight!}}

[[Image:Titan2-3_Mudflap_face.jpg|right|thumb|Sorry, [[Jon Davis-Hunt|Jon]], at some point you have to draw their ugly mugs.]]

Now living at [[NEST]]'s Californian base with Bumblebee as their minder, Skids and Mudflap repeatedly asked to deliver their info to [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]—and only Optimus, much to [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide's]] annoyance. He was more annoyed when they ambushed him to get to Optimus...who, as it turns out, was away on a need-to-know mission anyway.

After this defeat, and with Ironhide having bluntly told them nobody believed them, they desperately asked to join in a NEST op in [[Las Vegas]]...getting turned down, because they were too crap to get involved. Mudflap almost called their superior a very rude word over this, and after the team had left, he decided they should go to Vegas ''anyway'' to show Ironhide just what they could do! What they could do, it turned out, was screw up a successful mission by freeing [[Grindor (ROTF)|a captured Decepticon]] by trying to "shoot him down". Mudflap was left mortified. Ironhide, recognising what they were trying to do, told him that maybe they could work on training the twins not to jump in without looking, and that the trick was to learn from mistakes. The twins claimed they'd try. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.3|Learning Curve}}

They soon wished they hadn't, as they were condemned to NEST's [[United Kingdom|Orkney Islands]] base for days of sim-com (simulated combat) training under [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]. Mudflap agreed with Skids' theory that this was an excuse to keep them away from Optimus, and the whole situation got on his nerves. They both protested to Sideswipe that they could handle Decepticons. Him pointing out their failure with Grindor shut them up. However, the training was interrupted when [[Ravage (ROTF)|a huge metal cat monster]] broke into the base, KOed Sideswipe, and tried to eat the twins!

[[Image:Titan4_Mudflapravage.jpg|left|thumb|250px| Nice kitty...nice kitty...]]

They transformed and fled, with all attempts at holding it off failing. Mudflap hit on a plan of trapping the creature in the sim-com room and letting the drones shoot it down. He pulled this off, using himself as bait; in the process, he received a communication from [[Soundwave (ROTF)|the monster's master]], who demanded to know what the twins knew about some lost and fallen guy. Mudflap briefly wondered who this dude was, then shrugged and just sprang the trap on Ravage.

With that done, the twins tried to fill in the revived Sideswipe... except the creature had gone, leaving their instructor with the view that ''they'd'' knocked him out in revenge for their training. Between that and Grindor, he thought they were up to something... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.4|New Tricks}}

[[Image:Titan2-5_twinsHEstartedit.jpg|right|thumb|Even the ''characters'' [[Mudflap (ROTF)#Notes|shift the blame]] over who came up with their dialogue!]]

The twins were later taken to Diego Garcia, and ecstatic to learn Optimus was coming there! Okay, he's only dropping a prisoner off, he's not here to see them and knows nothing about their story, but they ignored all that and drove off when Sideswipe wasn't looking so they could greet the leader. Mudflap squeed over how Optimus would be so proud with ''his'' work! Skids picked up on that and accused his brother of trying to steal the glory, and soon the two of them were having a big fight and slagging match...

And so their first meeting with Optimus Prime was to be yelled at for conduct unbecoming of an Autobot warrior. (See the pic to the side to find out how ''that'' went.)

That was when [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] made his attack, blasting at the distracted Prime and moving to free the prisoner [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]. Mudflap swiftly grabbed a weapon to stop this escape, but Sideways snatched it from his hands and used it himself to cover his retreat. Sideswipe, watching from a distance, believed Mudflap had ''given'' over the weapon, and convinced Prime that the twins were traitors: they must have helped Scorponok get here and now assisted him in his mission, on top of freeing Grindor and attacking him! Mudflap and Skids protested they were being set up because they knew too much, but it fell on deaf ears as they were taken into custody... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.5|Reversal of Fortune}}

[[Image:Titan2-6_aimedatyourheart.jpg|left|thumb|Heart, head, near enough...]]

Following this, the decision was made to exile the twins into orbit. Mudflap and his brother moaned that they should've just ignored the Fallen, but help was at hand... from the Decepticons? Mudflap angrily told [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Decepticon agent Wheelie]] that they didn't ''want'' to be freed by ''him'', but the complaint fell on deaf ears: now the twins looked like even ''bigger'' traitors. The two went underground to clear their names, and hit on the foolproof plan of abducting [[Sam Witwicky]] from his house and pleading with him to tell their story to Optimus. All this did was cause Bumblebee to launch an attack to rescue Sam. Mudflap pleaded with the angry Bumblebee that they weren't traitors, that they had vital info...

...and then [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] gunned down the scout and offered the twins sanctuary in the Decepticons. Nowhere else to go, Mudflap took Soundwave's hand and said he'd never liked Earth anyway... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.6|Outlaw Blues}}

[[Image:Titan_deceptitwins.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"No offence, Sideways, but you're a boring, stupid, unimportant waste of metal and your mum hates you."]]

Once in the Decepticons, he had fun dissing all the other members as being losers and getting on ''everyone's'' nerve, before Soundwave finally sent them on a mission to bring in a rogue member. Once on Earth again, he was genuinely surprised to find out Skids was only ''pretending'' to defect; his annoyed brother explained the plan was that, since Soundwave would send a minder to watch them, they could ambush their minder and have a prisoner to give to the Autobots.

The rogue member turned out to be Ransack, and Mudflap helped Skids lie to him that the Fallen had sent them. Talking instead of fighting? That annoyed ''both'' of their minders, and they came under attack by Grindor and Sideways! Mudflap was ordered after Sideways, and engaged him in a game of chicken; the Decepticon blinked first and crashed into a tree. He thought this was enough, but Skids was determined that they'd now take the fight to Soundwave himself! (Mudflap's considered response was "YOWZA!") {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.7|Turnabout}}

[[Image:Titan2-8_twinsanywaytowelcome.jpg|left|thumb|350px|]]

Upon returning to the Phobos base, Mudflap was consulted about having a plan of attack. He decided why bother having plans ''now'', just attack! The twins stormed the base, and Mudflap was able to defeat Ravage by ducking the beast's attacks and planting an electrical bomb on him. However, this success was quickly undone and Mudflap found himself about to be killed by Starscream... but the battle gave Ransack an opening to shoot the Seeker in the back and escape, causing the other Decepticons to chase after him! The twins had ''no'' idea what ''that'' was all about... but this was just a short respite, as the twins discovered just what that army massing on Cybertron had been planning: to arrive at the Phobos base en route to Earth...

The twins stood ready to make their last stand, and Mudflap prepared to take down as many drones as possible... when Optimus arrived with the other Autobots! The twins had been tracked to Phobos and to their shock, the other Autobots had realised they weren't traitors and were even apologising! And with all the street cred of uncovering the Phobos base, the twins were welcomed to the Autobots' Earth division. Skids briefly wondered if they should mention "the ''Fa-''" again, but Mudflap told him they were ''never'' mentioning ''that'' bloody thing again. Whatever happened, [[#Revenge of the Fallen movie|would happen]]... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.8|Back-to-Back}}
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===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
[[Image:Tales_of_the_Fallen_Issue_6_Twins.jpg|left|thumb|150px|]]
After hearing Optimus Prime's call into space for all Autobots, Skids and Mudflap were captured by the Decepticons [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] and [[Flatline]] just before reaching Earth. Seeking to perfect some new medical experiments, Flatline tried to forcibly reprogram the brothers' processors, but only succeeded in leaving them addled and confused. Another of Flatline's experiments, the tri-fold biker named [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], helped Skids and Mudflap escape. They picked up a ship and made their trek the rest of the way to Earth. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 6|Tales of the Fallen #6}}

[[Image:Alliance04 icecreamtruck.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Mudflap is the one in back.]]
Skids and Mudflap followed Optimus Prime's message to [[Earth]] and arrived on the planet at the same time as [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]] and [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]]. They both chose the [[combiner|combined]] form of an old, beat-up ice cream truck. The newly arrived Autobots joined the human-Transformer military alliance [[NEST]] and began training in earnest at [[Diego Garcia]], but soon had to be deployed to [[Shanghai]], [[China]]. {{Storylink|Alliance issue 4|Alliance #4}}
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===''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Reno Wilson]] (English), [[Gerald Schaale]] (German), [[Yōhei Tadano]] (Japanese), [[Davide Lepore]] (Italian), [[Moisés Ivan Mora]] (Latin American-Spanish)

[[Image:ROTF-icecreamtruck.jpg|thumb|right|250px|ICE CREAM!... ICE CREAM!... I'm all out of ICE CREAM!...]]

The twins were first into action for NEST's mission to Shanghai, slowly trundling through the city streets in their ice-cream truck mode and taunting Decepticons in the area to show themselves. Two Decepticons soon did: [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] and [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]. At NEST's orders, the twins went after the smaller foe and, working with Arcee, managed to herd him into an alleyway. However, their slow, ungainly choice of alternate mode left them unable to keep up with Sideways. While Arcee leapt through a building to pursue the Decepticon, the twins tried to go around the building to catch him. However, the twins inadvertently split apart from one another when they rounded the corner too sharply, thus taking them out of the chase. Mudflap took the blame for the crash, but Skids still berated (and smacked) Mudflap for his failure.
[[Image:ROTF Twins truck robot modes.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Ben and Jerry?]]
Upon arrival to Diego Garcia and NEST headquarters, the twins were given new, individual alternate forms to make sure another incident like that never happened. Mudflap wanted the Chevy Beat as a vehicle form, but after a brief wrestling match with his brother, he was relegated to the form of the [[wikipedia: Chevy Trax|Chevrolet Trax]].

Later, the twins, along with the other NEST-allied Autobots, were dispatched to look for [[Sam Witwicky]] when Decepticons were detected heading towards his college. After [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] was killed by [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], the twins helped the Autobot force fight off the Decepticon leader and [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], allowing Sam, [[Leo Spitz]], [[Mikaela Banes]] and [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] to make good their escape. Skids and Mudflap met up with Bumblebee and the humans, and together they fled to a remote location. After the twins teased Leo for a while for his panic attack, Sam inquired whether one of them could interpret the Cybertronic symbols with which he had become obsessed. The twins claimed that they couldn't read the ancient Language of the Primes and weren't much into reading, anyway.

[[Image:ROTF_movie_SkidsMudflap_bigmother.jpg|thumb|right|250px|And this is us when we traveled to...hey, Skids, where did we go again?]]

With the help of the Decepticon [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] and former [[Sector Seven]] agent [[Seymour Simmons]], the group made their way to the Smithsonian, where the humans reactivated the venerable ex-Decepticon [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]. He teleported them all to [[Egypt]] before telling them the tale of the original [[Dynasty of Primes|Primes]], the [[star harvester]], which had the potential to destroy all life on Earth, and finally, the [[Matrix of Leadership]], the key to activating the harvester and possibly the only thing that could bring Optimus Prime back to life. When the Matrix could not be found at the ruins of [[Petra]], Mudflap questioned why they where helping Sam, wondering what they had done for the Autobots. Skids pointed out that Sam ''had'' killed Megatron, but Mudflap said the point was moot since Megatron was now back. After calling each other "scared" and "ugly" the two began to fight with one another. After damaging the structure and nearly crushing the humans, Bumblebee picked the twins up, bashed them together, and threw them out the door. However, their bickering created a hole in the wall where the [[Tomb of the Primes]] lay, and with it, the Matrix.

[[Image:ROTF Devastator Mudflap swallow.jpg|thumb|left|250px|[[Simon Furman]] would have had a [[Furmanism|field day]] with this scene.]]
Making their way back to the Pyramids where NEST waited with Optimus Prime's body, the group came under attack by Starscream. Mudflap, Skids, Leo and Simmons acted as a decoy to lure the Decepticons away from Sam and Mikaela. Unfortunately, they attracted the attention of the [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicons]], who [[combiner|combined]] into [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] and attacked by vacuuming up loose objects such as sand, cars, and Mudflap. Hanging on for dear life inside the monster's mouth, he tried to use his "[[Wikipedia:Kung-Fu grip|kung-fu grip]]", but was sucked further inside, losing his shoulder guards in the process.

[[Image:ROTF Mudflap vs Devastator.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"Wait Devastator! You have a bug on your face, let me shoot it for you!"]]
As Skids mourned the loss of his twin, Simmons realized that the safest place to be was directly under the giant. But he had survived being vacuumed up by Devastator, and to escape he had blasted a hole through its head. To buy the humans time to escape, Skids clambered up Devastator's [[Hightower (ROTF)|right forepaw]] to assist Mudflap. Skids threw a cable to Mudflap, who grabbed it and swung off Devastator's head onto his arm. However, once they had landed, Mudflap accidentally shot Skids in the face, knocking them off. At [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s command, Devastator continued onto the [[Great Pyramid of Giza]]. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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===Toy bios===
Young and eager, Mudflap idolizes Optimus Prime and the other great Autobot heroes. He and Skids went to Earth solely in the hope of joining up with their idols, and it's a dream come true for them! {{storylink|#Deluxe Class Toys|Deluxe Mudflap}} In an early mission, however, they found themselves used as guinea pigs for experimental combination technology; trying to ''stay'' combined in their gestalt vehicle mode took up more of their focus than fighting Decepticons! {{storylink|#Deluxe Class Toys|Autobot Skids and Mudflap}}

However, he must have impressed the Autobots as later, he was assigned to help Sideswipe take down an empowered [[Fearswoop (ROTF)|Fearswoop]]! {{storylink|The Fury of Fearswoop}} Normally, his role is to create diversions. {{storylink|Skids (ROTF)#Robot Replicas|Robot Replica Skids}}

===IDW ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics===
Skids and Mudflap were in [[Seattle]] with NEST tracking the Decepticon straggler, [[Alice]]. They helped guide her stolen RV right into Sideswipe's sights, and he then impaled the "girl" in her seat. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 1|Nefarious #1}}

Later, when [[Theodore Galloway]] and his unit were attacked by [[Ransack (ROTF)|Ransack]] en route to investigate the mysterious activities of the enigmatic [[Initiative]] at [[Hoover Dam]], the Autobots dispatched Skids and Mudflap to Galloway's aid. Together, they held Ransack off until a NEST strike team could arrive and finish him off. The Twins then accompanied Galloway and the soldiers to Hoover Dam, and while the Initiative forces had already cleared out, Skids and Mudflap realized what they had been after: residual energy from the [[AllSpark]] that had been kept there. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 4|Nefarious #4}} To uncover the Initiative's secret goals, the Autobots soon allied themselves with [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]], and followed his lead to the Initiative's base of operations in [[Crater Lake]], [[Oregon]]. Skids and Mudflap were deployed to attack the base from the east; when they were met with resistance in the form of the Initiative's troops, they took them out of the equation by disabling the advanced weaponry they were wielding with precision blasts. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 5|Nefarious #5}} He and Skids then worked as back-up for Bumblebee's team of cadets in the final battle at Crater Lake. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 6|Nefarious #6}}

When NEST discovered that Starscream was selling Transformer weaponry to humans, a sting operation was staged in which [[Theodore Galloway]] would pose as a buyer to lure the Decepticons in. When [[Skystalker (ROTF)|Skystalker]], [[Divebomb (Movie)|Divebomb]] and [[Fearswoop (ROTF)|Fearswoop]] took the bait, The Twins joined Arcee and her sisters and the human forces of NEST in tackling them, the Decepticons we´re killed and [[Fearswoop (ROTF)|Fearswoop]] taken as a prisoner. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 1|Rising Storm #1}} after [[Sam Witwicky]] contacted NEST as [[Philadelphia]] was beign attacked by Decepticons, the Twins joined Prime and the Others. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 2|Rising Storm #2}} the Twins along the others arrived to Philadelphia. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3|Rising Storm #3}} Skids and Mudflap survived the battle and witness when the [[Driller]] took [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] away. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 4|Rising Storm #4}}

===''Dark of the Moon'' film===
[[Image:DOTM Skids, Mudflap, Que and Sideswipe.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Skids: Bay fired us from DOTM, what a pussy! Mudflap: at least he forgot to remove us from this scene HA!]]

Mudflap and Skids could be spotted in vehicle mode at the end of an Autobot convoy as the team rolled into the hangar of NEST's [[Washington, D.C.]] base. {{storylink|Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}

{{note|Mudflap and Skids were originally scripted to feature in ''Dark of the Moon'', but their appearances were cut from the finished film, save for this ''very'' brief shot. See "adaptations" below for what they would have done if they'd made it through to the final cut.}}

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===''Dark of the Moon'' adaptations===
[[Image:DOTM3 mudflap dies.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Okay, they're ''dead'', alright? We're not going to be seeing them again.]]

Mudflap and Skids were present at NEST's Washington base during Optimus Prime's conversation with [[Charlotte Mearing]] about the moon landings.

Later, the Twins were among the Autobots charged with escorting [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]] to [[NEST]] headquarters for safety when the ancient Autobot revealed himself to be a traitor by killing Ironhide. Skids was next to die, intercepting a shot meant for Bumblebee, sending Mudflap into a rage. He lunged at the turncoat Autobot, seeking revenge for his brother's death, but not even his righteous anger could not make him a match for Sentinel, and he too met his ends moments later. Sentinel eulogized him with some degree of respect, remarking that he at least died a death worthy of an Autobot. {{storylink|Dark of the Moon (novel)}}{{storylink|Dark of the Moon (comic series)}}
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==Toys==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class Toys====
[[Image:ROTF_Legends_Mudflap.jpg|thumb|300px|My gal's got 'em.]]
*'''Mudflap''' (Legends, 2009)

: [[Legends Class]] Mudflap is a simple, affordable small-scale toy. Amusingly, just like his brother Skids, the [[kibble]] on his arm actually works as his big deformed hand, only grossly oversized. As with all wave three Legends figures, his packaging photo shows a mistransformed robot mode, with his abdomen not being extended.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/LegMudflap/mudflap.htm More information on Legends Mudflap at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:ROTF_LegendsMudflap_Lawson.jpg|thumb|300px|E.T.'s healing touch is bigger and better than ever]]
*'''Bumblebee / EZ Collection Mudflap''' (2009)

: Available exclusively at the Lawson's convenience store in Japan (and the only way to obtain this figure via TakaraTomy), the Japanese edition of Legends class Mudflap is identical to the Hasbro release. The Deluxe-class Preview Bumblebee it comes with is also unchanged from the regular release. Preorders opened on the [[May 1|1st of May]] and closed on [[June 30]]th, and the figure itself shipped on the [[October 16|16th of October]]. Although initial publicity photographs indicated that the toy was altered slightly from the US deco (see right), these photographs have proven to be inaccurate, as owners of this toy have reported no discernable differences from the standard US edition.[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/281376-rotf-takara-v-hasbro-comparisons.html]

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_MudflapSS.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Hey, I stepped in mud. Buy me again!]]
*'''Straightaway Shootout''' (Legends multi-pack, 2009)

:Legends Mudflap was also available in the [[Target]]-[[exclusive]] "[[Straightaway Shootout]]" 5-pack together with [[Ironhide (Movie)#Straightaway|Ironhide]], [[Swerve (Movie)#Straightaway|Swerve]], [[Runamuck (ROTF)|Runamuck]] and [[Sparkcrusher]]. Other than the sandy-spray across his feet and a glossy finish, he is identical to his standard release.

:In [[Canada]], the set was released as a Zellers exclusive.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/TargetLegMudflap/mudflap.htm More information on "Straightaway Shootout" Mudflap at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:ROTF-toy MudflapFoF.jpg|thumb|300px|Fearswoop doesn't even ''have'' claws, so how'd he get those scratches, eh?]]
*'''The Fury of Fearswoop''' (Figure multi-pack, 2009)

:A "battle damaged" deco version of Legends Mudflap was available in the [[Walmart]]-exclusive "[[The Fury of Fearswoop]]" 3-pack together with a similarly "battle damaged" version of Legends [[Sideswipe (ROTF)#Fearswoop|Sideswipe]], and Deluxe class [[Fearswoop (ROTF)|Fearswoop]]. That the set uses a pair of Legends-class cars and a Deluxe-class jet means the toys are in a roughly-correct [[scale]] to each other... which is borked by the story, in which Fearswoop is supposedly much huger than normal thanks to some unnamed mystic artifact.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/WMLegMudflap/mudflap.htm More information on "Fury of Fearswoop" Mudflap at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:TargetLegendsRallyMudflap.jpg|thumb|300px|How many damn copies of the Legends Mudflap mold do we '''need'''?]]
*'''Rally Mudflap and Offroad Skids''' (Legends multi-pack, 2010)

:This redeco of Legends Mudflap features a black hood and legs, along with dirt on his sides. He was packaged with a redecoed Skids as a [[Target]] exclusive two-pack, and was part of the [[N.E.S.T. Global Alliance]] [[subline imprint]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/LegRallyMudflap/mudflap.htm More information on Rally Mudflap at TFU.info]''

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====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:ROTFMudflap Deluxe 2009.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Despite appearances, he is not a basset hound.]]
*'''Mudflap''' (Deluxe Class, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-15'''
**''Accessories:'' Projectile

:Part of the third wave of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Deluxe Class figures, Mudflap transforms into a rust-orange Chevy Trax. He transforms similarly to (but not exactly like) the Deluxe toy of his twin brother, Skids. He also has similar gimmickry; for example, his [[Mech Alive]] gimmick is also activated by pushing in the grill on his chest. This causes some panels in his chest to sway and his head to, uh, headbang. Additional Mech Alive action is engineered into his larger left arm. When his fist folds in towards his wrist, panels on the outside of his forearm spread and reveal a raising, spring-loaded missile launcher. In vehicle mode, this missile is stored through a cross-shaped hole on the rear bumper. On a sadder note, the clip which holds his chest to his back has a lot of trouble actually connecting, so you're going to be stuck with just carefully posing him so that he doesn't come undone. In addition, the wheels can be locked behind his extended kneepads, which shortens and squattens his legs to create a more screen-accurate model.

:Mudflap initially came with a license plate that referenced his car model, "Trax." A [[variant|running change variant]] later enlarged the license plate and changed it to "Mudflap".<ref name="deluxevar">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-toys--products-30/transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-mudflap-variant-168024/ Revenge of the Fallen Deluxe Mudflap variant] at TFW2005</ref> The Japanese release only featured the later "Mudflap" version, skipping the earlier "Trax" version entirely. Both plates were apparently used for the movie (see notes below).

: His feet are [[misassembly|misassembled]] in the package. Swap them! The bigger, separated toe should be on the outside.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/Mudflap/mudflap.htm More information on Mudflap at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:ROTF_Deluxe_Skids&Mudflap_toy.jpg|thumb|300px|He was always the horse's rear end in school plays.]]
*'''Autobot Skids And Mudflap''' (2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-20'''

:This two-pack of the twin Autobot brothers can combine into a single, old-fashioned ice cream truck. The vehicle splits in half right down the middle of its chassis (similar to how it does in the film) to create the two small robot forms. Other than the transformation, the toy features no [[gimmick]]s.

:Mudflap's heels are too thick for his feet to fold up properly in vehicle mode, though this can be fixed by trimming them. Mudflap also has a springloaded neck socket...but the reason for it is not all that clear.(the instructions do document it, but the head is not even locked in packed on the card) Also, this toy may be the first Transformer to feature the typeface Comic Sans, which is used to write "MADE FRESH FOR YOU" across both front wheel hubs. But that's on Skids's half, so Mudflap is partly absolved here.

:Amusingly, the ice cream truck accommodates [[Human Alliance]] human figures ''really'' well.

:Both Skids and Mudflap have sculpted rust detailing all over the Ice cream tuck, but for some reason, they are not painted.

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[[Image:ROTFDesertVersionSkidsAndMudflap.jpg|thumb|300px|Muddy Mudflap.]]
*'''Desert Version Mudflap''' (Deluxe, 2009)
:This version of Mudflap has a sandblasted deco to closer match his onscreen appearance during the scenes in Egypt. It is only available in Japan with purchase of the Revenge of the Fallen DVD.

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[[Image:ROTF_Deluxe_Tuner_Mudflap.jpg|thumb|300px|Pimp my Derogatory Stereotype.]]
*'''Tuner Mudflap''' (Deluxe, 2009)

:A redeco of original Deluxe class Mudflap, his doors are painted with "tuner" racing stripes and the plastic is a different shade of orange. The windows are now translucent blue. His feet are now properly assembled.

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[[Image:TRUShanghaiShowdownSkidsAndMudflap.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Shanghai Showdown''' (Multi-pack, 2010)
:In an effort to make them more [[Show-accuracy|movie-accurate]], the twins in this set have additional decals for you to put on (save for the "suck my popsicle" slogan) and painted rust and "Caution Children" for the ice cream truck mode. They come with a redecoed version of [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]].

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====Human Alliance====
[[Image:Humanalliancemudflaptoy.jpg|thumb|300px|At the auditions for "cannon fodder gunmen" on ''Gurren Lagann.'']]
*'''Mudflap / Chromia / Seymour Simmons''' (Human Alliance, 2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-31'''

:Human Alliance Mudflap comes with a posable figure of [[Seymour Simmons]] and has a very similar transformation to his twin—understandable on a canonical level, since they're from the same spark, but a little disappointing to play with. As with HA Skids, he has a pop-up mini-gun behind his head which a back-mounted Simmons can man, and his seats end up on his arms, where Simmons can sit in either of them. The right seat has a twin-barreled gun molded into the base, while the left seat has a pop-up control panel for Simmons to operate, presumably to control the small [[Retractable string gimmick|grappling hook set]] above Mudflap's left hand, which a small winch can reel out and pull in.
:Mudflap also comes with a transforming figure of [[Chromia (ROTF)|Chromia]], which Simmons can ride.
:Unlike most transforming Mudflap figures, he is a more screen accurate shade of orange red, rather than just a rusty color.
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====Fast Action Battlers====
[[Image:ROTF_FAB_GrappleGripMudflap.jpg|thumb|300px|His special finger: There's no other like it.]]
*'''Grapple Grip Mudflap''' (Fast Action Battler, 2009)
:''[[Fast Action Battlers]]'' Mudflap has a simplified transformation for younger buyers. His left hand's middle finger can be extended (yes, ha ha) on a rope to function as a grappling hook.

:The toy's name, "Grapple Grip Mudflap", is misspelled as "Grapp'''el''' Grip Mudflap" in various official instances, such as Hasbro's public website<ref name="fabhasbro">[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/shop/details.cfm?guid=B237456C-7A23-1014-B596-FBA5EE4D560D&product_id=24286&src=endeca Hasbro website entry for FAB "Grappel Grip" Mudflap]</ref> [[:Image:GrappelGripMudflapEuro.jpg‎|and on]] the toy's [[multilingual packaging|European packaging]]. Presumably this typo didn't get caught by [[quality control]] until very late, so the North American packaging saw the error rectified in time, whereas the entire European production run had already been underway. Then again, [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'']] "[[Grapple|Solar Storm Grapp''el'']]" raises the question ''which'' version is officially to be considered the "incorrect" one, and whether the "Grappel" (mis)spelling is in fact intentionally used for [[trademark]] reasons...

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_FAB_RallyMudflap.jpg|thumb|300px|Nobody will know who I am now!]]
*'''Rally Mudflap''' (Fast Action Battler)

:Rally Mudflap is a [[redeco]] of Grapple Grip Mudflap, decorating him with a gray racing stripe on his roof and his name on his windshield.

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====Gravity Bots====
[[Image:Mudflap Gravity Bot.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Believe it or not, his head looked like that before he entered the car compacter.]]
*'''Mudflap''' (2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''GB-05'''

: As a [[Gravity Bot]], Mudflap is a very boxy toy featuring no [[articulation]] whatsoever, relying solely on an [[autotransformation]] gimmick. When Mudflap is laid on his back in robot mode, gravity makes him transform into a somewhat [[super deformed]] car, and the process is reversed when the car is stood back up.

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===Transformers (2010)===
====Legends Class toys====
[[Image:EZDeliveryMudflap.jpg|thumb|300px|Basically everyone would be happier if this was actually [[My Little Pony|Pinkie Pie]].]]
*'''Delivery Mudflap''' (EZ Collection, 2010)

:Delivery Mudflap is a redeco of Legends Class Mudflap in pink and white, referencing his and Skids's ice cream truck form. This toy was only available in Japan.
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====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:TF2010_Starscream'sAssault_toys.jpg|thumb|300px|Also called 'hit and run Mudflap']]
*'''Starscream's Assault''' (Multi-pack, 2010)

: This [[Walmart]]-exclusive two-pack contains desert-themed redecoes of Deluxe-class Mudflap and Voyager-class [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]. Mudflap is mostly tan with various red splotches on his vehicle mode, to represent him being caked with sand from the desert.

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*'''High-Speed Spy Battle''' (Figure multi-pack, 2010)
[[Image:TargetHighSpeedSpyBattle.jpg|thumb|300px|They ate themselves out of their own profits!]]
:This [[Target]]-exclusive two pack (or three pack, depending on [[Rack'n'Ruin|how you count]]) features a redecoed Sideways and the ice-cream truck mode of Mudflap and Skids, which replaces most of the robot mode white plastic on the originals with a rusty brown, adds even more rusty paint applications than the earlier "Shanghai Showdown" version and omits the comic-sans "Made fresh for you" on the front wheel wells of the truck.

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===Dark of the Moon===
====Cyberverse====
[[Image:DOTM_Cyberverse_Mudflap_toy.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Mudflap''' (Cyberverse Legion, 2011)
**''Series:'' '''1'''
**''Number:'' '''010'''
**''Japanese ID number:''

:''[[Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' [[Cyberverse]] Mudflap is a new Legends Class-size mold, transforming into a Chevrolet Spark like Skids rather than a Trax.

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====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:DOTM_MechTechDeluxe_Mudflap.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Mudflap''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA19'''
**''Accessories:'' Mechtech Blaster/Cybertronian Battle Axe

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==Merchandise==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
====RPMs - Robot Powered Machines====
[[Image:ROTF-toy_RPM_Mudflap.jpg|thumb|right|300px|The "versus" on the package must refer to their infamous Egypt showdown.]]
*'''Mudflap vs Autobot Skids''' (R.P.M. Mini-Vehicle, 2009)
**''Number:'' '''04 of 08'''
**''Series:'' '''Battle Series'''

: Number four in a series of eight [[Robot Powered Machines]] Mini-Vehicle versus packs, Mudflap is packaged with his twin Skids. It's a non-transformable Hot Wheels-like car, with his robot mode sculpted and painted onto his car-mode underside.

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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:RobotHeroes_MudflapRampage.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Looks like [[Jolt (ROTF)|the hybrid]] found himself a new friend... a total mudflap!]]
*'''Mudflap and Rampage''' (2009)

:''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' Mudflap is a [[super deformed]] figure with limited articulation in his neck, shoulders and, unusually for the line, his waist. He came in a two-pack with [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]].

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[[Image:rotf_desertdevastation_rh.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Hey guys, wait for me!]]
*'''Desert Devastation''' (Multi-pack, 2010)

:Both Mudflap and Skids are sculpted in their vehicle modes for this box-set that also includes [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] and [[William Lennox]].

[[Image:Robotheroestwinswidewaysprimedemolishorsideswipe.jpg|right|thumb|300px|That's right. Enjoy your ''Robot Heroes'' ice cream truck.]]
*'''Shanghai Shootout''' (Multi-pack, 2010)
:Shanghai Shootout replicates the opening action scene from ''Revenge of the Fallen'', featuring figurines of Mudflap/[[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] (ice cream truck), [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] (vehicle mode), [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]], and [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]] (vehicle mode). Demolishor is a slightly-oversized figure and the centerpiece of the box set.

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==Bigger Toys==
[[Image:ChevySparkTransformersEdition.jpg|thumb|300px|I guess Skids isn't the only Spark around!]]
*'''Chevrolet Spark Transformers Edition''' (2011)

:Produced in a limited run of 1000 units for the South Korean market, the [[General Motors|Chevrolet]] Spark ''Transformers'' Edition features a black paint scheme with orange racing stripes based upon Mudflap's prop (that was cut from) ''Dark of the Moon'', an aero kit with side skirts, 15-inch glossy black wheels, and various Autobot and Transformers sigils and branding.

:Pricing in South Korea has been announced at 11,823.00 won for a manual transmission or 13,326.00 for an automatic.

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==Notes==
* The ice cream truck is apparently based on a heavily customized 1930s Chevrolet truck.{{fact|confirmation needed}} [[Ben Procter]] apparently lifted the color scheme and deco for his early concept design for the ice cream truck<ref name="procterrotf">[http://conceptartworld.com/?p=2772 Ben Procter's ROTF concept art at Concept Art World.]</ref> ''directly'' off a photo of an [[Australia]]n ice cream truck that had been added to the Wikipedia article for "ice cream van" in February 2006<ref name="wikipediaice">[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Cream_Truck_Sydney_Australia_-_crop.png Photo of an [[Australia]]n ice cream truck at Wikipedia, added in February 2006.]</ref>, down to identical placement and design of the fonts and graphics. The details were later slightly tweaked for the final design that can be seen in the movie... but only very slightly so.
*One of the decals on the ice cream truck's side that was created specifically for the movie reads "[[Image:Symbol decept reg.png|15px]] suck my popsicle." Classy. Too bad the toy ''does not have'' this decal. (Because, you know, for kids...)
**A "censored" version of the movie is rumored to exist with the aforementioned text edited out, with the somewhat nonsensical result of "[[Image:Symbol decept reg.png|15px]]           popsicle". This version was supposedly shown in some theaters even though other theaters in the same market apparently got the uncensored version. The more likely explanation for this would be that different theaters simply used different lightings settings, which effectively rendered the words "suck my" (which were written in dark red on a black backdrop to begin with) invisible, with no actual intention of "censorship" behind it.
[[Image:ROTFSmartCarTwinConcept.jpg|thumb|250px|Yeah, that's not phallic at all.]]
*The Twins' final alternate modes in the film, the Chevrolet Beat (Skids) and Chevrolet Trax (Mudflap), were designed by General Motors as small car concept vehicles. At one point in the film's pre-production, another small car, the [[wikipedia:Mercedes-Benz|Mercedes-Benz]] [[wikipedia:Smart (automobile)|Smart]], was evidently considered as an option for a film character; concept art of a "third twin" based on it appears in various sections of the ''Revenge'' DVD special features, always in close proximity to concept art of Skids and Mudflap. Whether it was meant to be a third character related to Skids and Mudflap or if it was supposed to be used in place of one of them is unknown. What '''is''' known is that [[Hasbro]] has had great difficultly in the past trying to get likeness licenses from German automakers, which is probably why the vehicle/character was dropped.
*Oddly enough, even though Mudflap's Chevy Trax [[alternate mode]] features big blue "eyes" on his chest and the truck seems to have a similar "face" on its grill that does not appear on his brother (and fellow [[combiner]]) Skids's Chevy Beat form, he makes up the ''back'' of the ice cream truck. He does, however, still have "eyes" on his chest in his ice cream truck form which are created from the rear taillights of the vehicle. This is evidenced in one scene from the movie where they are lit up the color of red.
*In their combined ice cream truck mode, the Twins sport the [[license plate]] "KDM 814". A minor variant of this, "KDM 0814" with an extra "0", was later used for the life-sized Bumblebee prop on various displays from 2009 upuntil at least 2011. For the individual cars, two different sets of license plates were apparently used, either "Trax" and "Beat" referencing their car models or "Mudflap" and "Skids", with the latter two being featured more prominently in the movie (the "BEAT" plate can be seen briefly during the New York City scene, and it's ''possible'' the "TRAX" plate was used for the same scene, although the car's plate is offscreen during that scene). All four plates were auctioned off in October 2009.<ref name="licenseauct">[http://www.icollector.com/Autobots-Skids-and-Mudfap-s-license-plates-from-Transformers-Revenge-of-the-Fallen_i8633012 Mudflap and Skids license plates for auction] at icollector.com</ref> The auction claims that the plates referring to their car models were used in vehicle mode, while those identifying the two Autobots by name were used in robot mode... which is ''directly'' refuted by screencaps from the movie included with the auction, which show the robot name plates on the cars in vehicle mode. Also, the two ''real'' Chevrolet Trax and Beat cars the Twins scan already feature individualized license plates sporting their robot names. Huh.
*The Twins have been accused of being derogatory racial stereotypes. Writers [[Roberto Orci]] and [[Alex Kurtzman]] claim to have followed [[Michael Bay]]'s lead with the characters, while Bay says voice actors [[Tom Kenny]] (Skids) and [[Reno Wilson]] (Mudflap) came up with their schtick on their own. Reportedly, Wilson (who is African-American himself) was sad to learn his way of speaking was apparently offensive to himself.<ref name="jive">[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/24/transformers-jivetalking-_n_220005.html The Huffington Post's coverage of the furore over the Twins]</ref> Orci and Kurtzman said the twins' portrayal was not in their script, that they were disappointed in the characters and admitted that they could understand if others were offended by the characters.<ref>[http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/orci-and-kurtzman-respond-to-claims-of-racism-in-transformers-2.php Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman respond to claims of racism on ''Revenge of the Fallen'', Film School Rejects, June 24, 2009]</ref>
*The twins are less slangy in the [[Revenge of the Fallen (comic series)|comic adaptation]] and [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|Titan comics]], which could either indicate it was a last-minute voice actor decision or [[Simon Furman]] just didn't want to try writing ebonics.
*Mudflap fights his way out of [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]]'s head by punching and shooting his way through his eye and cheek and then continues to punch and shoot him, doing quite a bit of damage to the giant—and still some say the Twins don't do anything to justify their part in the film.
*In [[Tales of the Fallen issue 6|''Tales of the Fallen'' #6]], it's revealed that the Twins' processors were messed up by the medic Flatline. So perhaps they were NORMAL at some point? Wow.





*Amusingly, [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/Battle-Bios.cfm Hasbro's Battle Bio] for Mudflap lists his arch-enemy as... [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]].
**So does his RPMs package title. Notice a trend?
*Despite promotional pictures and most of the merchandise made for Mudflap, in the film he is actually closer to red than orange. The RPM and Human Alliance figures are close to the actual character's colors in the film.
*Much like [[Mudflap (Cybertron)|the previous]] [[Mudflap (Movie)|two Mudflaps]], toys of this character tend to be [[shelfwarmer]]s. Maybe the ''name'' is cursed.
* The Twins were originally supposed to return for ''[[Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]''. Even though [[General Motors]] provided two Chevrolet Sparks to serve as their alternate modes<ref name="chevyspark">[http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-spark-transformers-3.html Left Lane News article on two Chevrolet Sparks spotted on the DOTM set], May 2010.</ref> which were still spotted on the set as late as October 2010<ref name="dcparking">[http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2010/10/transformers-3-dc-parking-lot-gallery.html "Transformers 3 DC Parking Lot Gallery"], Transformers Live Action Movie Blog, October 2010.</ref>, the two were mostly edited out of the final movie (their vehicle modes can barely be glimpsed in a brief shot). Michael Bay even went so far as to offer a $25,000 reward for anyone who would see the Twins "perform" in the movie.<ref name="reward">[http://collider.com/transformers-3-twins-skids-mudflap-michael-bay/91104/ Collider.com article on Michael Bay's "reward" for spotting Skids and Mudflap "perform" in DOTM], May 2011.</ref> In the novelization and the comic adaptation, Skids and Mudflap still appear.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Mudflap''' (マッドフラップ ''Maddofurappu'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Sárfogó'''
*''Finnish:'' '''Kuraläppä'''

==References==
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[[Category:Combiners]]
[[Category:Costco exclusives]]
[[Category:Dark of the Moon Autobots]]
[[Category:Human Alliance]]
[[Category:NEST]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen Autobots]]
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]
[[Category:Cyberverse]]
[[Category:Target exclusives]]
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Dark of the Moon: The Album

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'''''Transformers: Dark of the Moon — The Album''''' is an album containing songs from or inspired by ''[[Dark of the Moon (film)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]''. It was released by [[Warner Bros.]] on June 14, 2011.

==Tracks==
*1. "Iridescent" — [[Linkin Park]]
*2. "Monster" — [[Paramore]]
*3. "The Only Hope for Me is You" — [[My Chemical Romance]]
*4. "Faith (When I Let You Down)" — [[Taking Back Sunday]]
*5. "The Bottom" — [[Staind]]
*6. "Get Thru This" — [[Art of Dying]]
*7. "All That You Are" — [[Goo Goo Dolls]]
*8. "Head Above Water" — [[Theory Of A Deadman]]
*9. "Set The World On Fire" — [[Black Veil Brides]]
*10. "Alive & Wake" (Remix) — [[Skillet]]
*11. "Just Got Paid" — [[Mastodon]]

==Other versions==
The iTunes Deluxe version includes the exclusive tracks:
*12. "Many Of Horror" — [[Biffy]]
*13. "The Pessimist" — [[Stone Sour]]
*14. "Goodbye - Gate 21 (Rock Remix)" — [[Serj Tankian]]

The Game Stop version of the album contains the exclusive tracks:
*12. "Lifelong Dayshift" — [[Middle Class Rut]]
*13. "Graveyard Dancing" — [[D.R.U.G.S.]]

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Dark of the Moon: The Album

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{{disambig2|the album of contemporary hard rock music|the album of orchestrated music actually in the movie|Dark of the Moon: The Score}}
{{album
|series=''Transformers: Dark of the Moon — The Album''
|image=DOTM album.jpg
|caption=
|label=[[Warner Bros.]]
|releasedate=[[June 14]], [[2011]]
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|asin=B00535BZKG (Download) B004XKR6NM (CD)
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|next=Dark of the Moon: The Score
}}
'''''Transformers: Dark of the Moon — The Album''''' is an album containing songs from or inspired by ''[[Dark of the Moon (film)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]''. It was released by [[Warner Bros.]] on June 14, 2011.

==Tracks==
*1. "Iridescent" — [[Linkin Park]]
*2. "Monster" — [[Paramore]]
*3. "The Only Hope for Me is You" — [[My Chemical Romance]]
*4. "Faith (When I Let You Down)" — [[Taking Back Sunday]]
*5. "The Bottom" — [[Staind]]
*6. "Get Thru This" — [[Art of Dying]]
*7. "All That You Are" — [[Goo Goo Dolls]]
*8. "Head Above Water" — [[Theory Of A Deadman]]
*9. "Set The World On Fire" — [[Black Veil Brides]]
*10. "Alive & Wake" (Remix) — [[Skillet]]
*11. "Just Got Paid" — [[Mastodon]]

==Other versions==
The iTunes Deluxe version includes the exclusive tracks:
*12. "Many Of Horror" — [[Biffy]]
*13. "The Pessimist" — [[Stone Sour]]
*14. "Goodbye -Gate 21 (Rock Remix)" — [[Serj Tankian]]

The Game Stop version of the album contains the exclusive tracks:
*12. "Lifelong Dayshift" — [[Middle Class Rut]]
*13. "Graveyard Dancing" — [[D.R.U.G.S.]]

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[[Category:Dark of the Moon media]]

Tom Morello

2011-08-04T02:34:23Z

Ratchethide: New page: Tom Morello is the renowned American heavy metal guitarist of the band Rage Against the Machin. He is featured in Serj Tankian's song "Goodbye - Gate 21 (Rock Remix)" on the iTunes Del...

Tom Morello is the renowned American heavy metal guitarist of the band Rage Against the Machin. He is featured in [[Serj Tankian]]'s song "Goodbye - Gate 21 (Rock Remix)" on the iTunes Deluxe version of [[Dark of the Moon: The Album]].

[[Category: Musicians]]

Serj Tankian

2011-08-04T02:30:32Z

Ratchethide: New page: Serj Tankian is an Armenian-American rock music artist from Southern California, as well as the frontman for metal band System of a Down. His song "Goodbye - Gate 21 (Rock Remix)" is featu...

Serj Tankian is an Armenian-American rock music artist from Southern California, as well as the frontman for metal band System of a Down. His song "Goodbye - Gate 21 (Rock Remix)" is featured as a bonus track on the iTunes Deluxe version of [[Dark of the Moon: The Album]]. The song features metal guitarist [[Tom Morello]].

[[Category: Musicians]]

Mastodon

2011-08-04T02:22:32Z

Ratchethide: New page: Mastodon is a heavy metal band from Atlanta, Georgia. Their cover of ZZ Top's "Just Got Paid" is on Dark of the Moon: The Album. Category: Musicians

Mastodon is a heavy metal band from Atlanta, Georgia. Their cover of ZZ Top's "Just Got Paid" is on [[Dark of the Moon: The Album]].

[[Category: Musicians]]

Disturbed

2011-08-04T02:17:29Z

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'''Disturbed''' is a hard rock band from [[wikipedia:Chicago,_Illinois|Chicago, Illinois]]. Their song, '''"This Moment"''' is on the [[Transformers (2007)|2007 ''Transformers'' film]] [[Transformers: The Album|soundtrack]].

'''''Ooh-wah-ah-ah-ah!'''''

==External links==
* [http://www.disturbed1.com/ Disturbed's official website]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disturbed Disturbed on Wikipedia]

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[[Category:Musicians]]

Paramore

2011-08-04T02:15:05Z

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Paramore is a Grammy-nominated alternative rock band from Franklin, Tennesee. Their single for [[Dark of the Moon]], "Monster," was featured on [[Dark of the Moon: The Album]]

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Paramore

2011-08-04T02:12:10Z

Ratchethide: New page: Paramore is a Grammy-nominated alternative rock band from Franklin, Tennesee. Their single for Dark of the Moon, "Monster," was featured on Dark of the Moon: The Album

Paramore is a Grammy-nominated alternative rock band from Franklin, Tennesee. Their single for [[Dark of the Moon]], "Monster," was featured on [[Dark of the Moon: The Album]]

Taking Back Sunday

2011-08-04T02:03:27Z

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[[Image:Taking Back Sunday live in Boston.jpg|thumb|350px|Sunday cannot be taken back without a receipt.]]
'''Taking Back Sunday''' is an alternative rock band from [[wikipedia:Amityville,_New_York|Amityville, New York]]. Their song, '''"What's It Feel Like To Be A Ghost?"''' is on the [[Transformers (2007)|2007 ''Transformers'' film]] [[Transformers: The Album|soundtrack]], '''"Capital M-E"''' is on the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Revenge of the Fallen: The Album|soundtrack]], and '''"Faith (When I Let You Down)"''' is on the ''[[Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'' [[Dark of the Moon: The Album|soundtrack]].

==External links==
* [http://www.takingbacksunday.com/ Taking Back Sunday's official website]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_Back_Sunday Taking Back Sunday on Wikipedia]
* [http://www.myspace.com/takingbacksunday Taking Back Sunday at MySpace]

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[[Category:Musicians]]

Linkin Park

2011-08-04T02:02:12Z

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[[Image:Linkinpark.jpg|right|200px|thumb|You may have heard us in several Armada AMVs. Oh, and everywhere else in the world.]]
'''Linkin Park''' is a Grammy Award-winning band from California. The lead single from their album ''Minutes to Midnight'', "What I've Done," was sampled in a theatrical trailer for the [[Transformers (2007)|2007 ''Transformers'' film]]. It was also played in the film—first on the car radio during the scene in which Sam drops off Mikaela at her house, then over the final scene and credits—and was included on the film's [[Transformers: The Album|album]]. Linkin Park's single for ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', "New Divide" was released exclusively on iTunes on [[May 18]], [[2009]], and then later in ''Revenge of the Fallen''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[Revenge of the Fallen: The Album|album]].

In addition to "New Divide" being showcased in the soundtrack for ''Revenge of the Fallen'', Linkin Park also worked with [[Steve Jablonsky]] in [[Revenge of the Fallen: The Score|scoring the film]]. The guitar riff of "New Divide" is sampled in "NEST", one of the tracks from the score.

Linkin Park's single "Iridescent" is featured in ''[[Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'' and on [[Dark of the Moon: The Album]]. Each uses a shorter "remix" version of the song.

==External links==
*[http://linkinpark.com/ LinkinPark.com]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linkin_Park Linkin Park on Wikipedia]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_I%27ve_Done "What I've Done" on Wikipedia]
*[http://linkinpark.com/newdivide "New Divide" at LinkinPark.com]
*[http://mikeshinoda.com/2011/04/13/iridescent-transformers-3-single/ "Iridescent" is confirmed for ''DOTM'']

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[[Category:Musicians]]

Talk:Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)

2011-08-04T01:51:39Z

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== TITLE ==

[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-3-title-revealed-the-dark-of-the-moon/19947/ Looks like we've got a title.]

--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:35, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:Can I just go on record that that is a crappy name? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:42, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::I agree with you, but it comes with many joke opportunities.
::I just.....haven't figured out what they are yet. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:53, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::All I can think of is the Alabama song "Fire In The Night". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:57, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::The ''Dark'' of the moon? Does that mean the movie is going to be just another one of those crappy conspiracy theories saying the US didn't get to the moon first? Does this mean this is hardly going to be a movie about Transformers? This seems pretty likely. Also, that name is just borderline teen novel. Hopefully they'll change everything at the last minute into something relatively better like they did before. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 09:59, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Here are some jokes we could use.
:::::"Dark Side of the Moon was taken."
:::::"Is it a Twilight crossover?"
:::::(Thank you Seibertron forum posters!) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:01, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::I hadn't even thought about Twilight until Loki said teen novel. Now, I can't get the word "Vampformers" out of my head. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:08, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Does this mean the main pic has to be that shot of John Turturro's as from ROTF?[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 10:22, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::No and shame on you for even thinking it. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:27, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::One thing I really like from the first 3 movies (86,07,09) wiki articles are the running joke used throughout. Star Wars, the 86 movie, and Empire Strikes Back. I would have thought we would use nothing but Return of the Jedi quotes here, but with this new title part of me thinks it would be great to use nothing but lyrics off the Dark Side of the Moon album. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 12:36, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::We picked Star Wars and Empire for their respective films because the TF creative teams in those years specifically compared their products to those films--it was us making a joke out of their marketing idea. Though having captions about ROTJ would obviously "complete the set," I'm kind of against us making jokes out of ''our own traditions'' instead of the traditions of the franchise creators. It would seem like we're just jerking off. So I'd actually prefer Pink Floyd too. Of course, given that there's still a year for someone at Paramount to make a comparison between the respective 3rd films, the point may be moot. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:02, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Actually, using Pink Floyd quotes here would preserve and extend the pattern we have going. 1st Movie/Star Wars Universe quotes, 2nd Movie/Non-SW quotes, 3rd Movie/SW Universe quotes, 4th Movie/Non-SW quotes. Remember that 1st - 4th is in real world terms, ignoring the fact that the 1st movie was not part of the same universe as the current trilogy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:10, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::Agreed. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:29, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

Should we also put in a note that "dark of the moon" is real phrase and not completely made up? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:35, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

Ahem. IT WAS THE DARK OF THE MOON ON THE SIXTH OF JUNE WITH A KENWORTH HAULIN' LOGS/ CABOVER PETE WITH A REEFER ON AND A JIMMY HAULIN HOGS/ WE WAS HEADED FOR BEAR ON I-1-OH ABOUT A MILE OUTTA SHAKEY TOWN/ I SAID "PIG PEN THIS HERE'S THE RUBBER DUCK, WE'RE ABOUT TO PUT THE HAMMER DOWN." -hx at work, this is all the caption you need.
:ARGH! I can't believe I forgot that! I can just see the "bout to put the hammer down" part as an Optimus Prime caption ("Convoy", don't you know. :)). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:49, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::I agree with this comment. Also, now we have a title, is it time to add it to the left-hand navigation menu? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:16, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Save it for the Japanese release info. "Ironically enough, not a great big Convoy rockin' through the night." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:30, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
I don't see any Amazon listings anymore, but the [http://www.transformersmovie.com Transformers movie website] is called "Transformers: Dark of the Moon". (Don't look at the logo, look at the title of the website in the web browser.) Should we lose the "the"? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:43, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:At the same time, the domain they registered is "transformersthedarkofthemoonmovie.com", which has the leading "The" in it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:00, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::"transformersdarkofthemoonmovie.com" is also registered by the same party. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:03, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Why would they register it with the "The" if "The" isn't in the title? Whereas I can see why they'd also register it without, because people might accidentally leave it out when typing the url (and also for brand protection). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:57, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Similar reasons apply for registering the name with a superfluous "the". "The dark of the moon" is a preexisting term, people might easily insert it by mistake. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:08, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::IDK, the title of a web page just doesn't seem like enough to me to move the page. The titles on Amazon all had "The" in them, which might have been added mistakenly by whoever added them there, or might not have been. I suspect we should wait for some sort of official unveiling, because if we move the page now, we may well just be moving it back later. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:13, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::According to the teaser trailer, at least in Latin America, the international title of the movie is '''Transformers 3''' (THANK GOD). Should we put it on the article?-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 03:28, 1 January 2011 (EST)
:::::::Are you sure it's the international title, or is it just the title in your area? Either way, it could be added somewhere in there I'm sure. [[User:The Autobot Hero|Hero]] 00:15, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Scratch that, the new trailer calls the movie "El lado oscuro de la Luna" (Dark side of the moon), at least the movie looks awesome.-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 19:23, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Uh, Walky.... ==

How does "www.transformersdarksideofthemoon.com." confirm that "The Dark of the Moon" is the title? Or did you put in the "side" in that URL by mistake? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:56, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
: Yeah. Mistake. Durrr. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:02, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:: Fixed. I expect this slip-up to happen only 30,000 more times. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:03, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, mainly I was asking on the off chance that the other things we've found had accidentally left out the "side". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:07, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

== Accident ==

Does last month's stunt accident where an extra got critically injured belong on this page, and if yes, where?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:22, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:I thought the top of this page said that the wiki does not care about news on the set. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 14:46, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::This is '''obviously''' not the kind of news the top of the page is talking about. Yes, the accident and lawsuit should be addressed on the page for the movie. Where, I dunno. Probably its own section. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:58, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Maybe "Production", if it ever gets made. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:30, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::::I thought we usually didn't do production sections though? What if it was placed in it's own section down at the bottom with the notes and trivia and such. [[User:The Autobot Hero|Hero]] 00:20, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Disambig? ==

What are we going to use as the disambiguation suffix for this movie? I used (TDOTM) for the Carly artilce I created, but I could see just (DOTM) instead, or perhaps something from out of left field -- [[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 23:04, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:(TDOTM) would be the most consistent. But (TF3) would be cool. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:22, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::The only other franchise I can find with an initial "the" is [[The Headmasters]], which has the disambiguation suffix (Headmasters). Going by that, I would say (DOTM). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:20, 8 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Considering Hasbro applied for the trademark "Dark of the Moon" without "the", I'm favoring (DOTM) too.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:05, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
::::(TDOTM) is a horrible disambig. I prefer (DOTM). --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:11, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

== The Superfund Armored Truck as Sixshot and Rosenbaurer as Inferno ==

November-21=Michael Bay confirms the Superfund Armored Truck as Sixshot.
:Hi. Cite a source. Sign your posts. Thank you. Goodbye. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:22, 21 November 2010 (EST)

== Should we add Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin? ==

Well, should we?

-ThiAthEhn
: And [[Walter Cronkite]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:56, 10 December 2010 (EST)

::Well, the question is, will they actually be ''in'' the film? This teaser feels very much like the teaser for the first movie, in that we may see only a little, or possibly even none, of the actual content of it in the film. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:57, 10 December 2010 (EST)

:::And we don't know if (though unlikely) they are main cast. And save their page for another day. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 12:00, 10 December 2010 (EST)
::::I dunno, I think all promotional stuff still counts as "fiction" under our mandate. While they shouldn't be on the main cast list, I wouldn't be opposed to making articles on them and making some mention of them on the article. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:16, 10 December 2010 (EST)
:::::And in any case, we already have a [[Neil Armstrong]] page, per [[Ghosts of Yesterday]]. So I'll ask my question here: how much do we want to put into that article? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 14:42, 10 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I'm tired of seeing useless perpetually incomplete pages for trivial as fuck foil characters that usually were only ''mentioned'' in the movie or even movie novelization in question and have no real story signifigance at all. I respectfully say nay to more character pages like this and I would recommend deleting such pages that are already created, such as the Mohammud page. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:14, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Then that's really too friggin' bad, because ''that's what this wiki is for.'' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:28, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::You really want your wiki to go to hell, to run rampant with the constant mindless page creations of anonymous IP adresses? You made one of the qualifications to delete a page "We are not a dictonary," but now you want to contradict yourself. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:32, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Uh, we've been making pages like this since the very beginning of the wiki back in 2006. At no point has this site ever succumbed to your insane scenario. So pardon me if my eyes roll so hard they pop out of my skull. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:36, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::What you said officially makes it okay to make pages like the pages made by anons from the start, so now you have put yourself in the situation where now a whole lot of anons who look around without editing will get that idea and tell all their friends about it and soon you have too many pages for Detour to put the speedy template on. Sure, in the past this has never happened, but now there is the possibility. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:39, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::Now that we're going to continue doing the exact same thing we've been doing for the past four years, suddenly it's all going to be different now and ruin us. Got it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:41, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::It's not that you've been doing the same thing all along, it's now you've said that doing what has been described now is alright and acceptable, and you seem to be ignoring/avoiding that. Besides, of course the consequences are not going to affect you immediately, so you shouldn't just assume that if the ramifications aren't immediate then there aren't any at all. Your 16-year-old level of sarcasm and quickness to attempt to avoid a situation is what makes people not like you. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:47, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::I'm not ignoring anything, because I shouldn't have to distinguish for you the differences between making a page for a guy featured heavily in a trailer for a blockbuster Transformers film and between making a page for "floor." The difference seems to be obvious to everyone else. Do you have any other recourse to people disagreeing with you that isn't calling them an X-year-old? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:58, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::::The reason I used the X-year-old argument is because that is what I usually only see here that warrants a recourse from me, what with the "Um, yes it does" and "pardon me if my eyes roll so hard they pop out of my skull" statements. I understand now that you have from the start always had a staff that can make the distinction between what is too little information and what isn't and make decisions based on that. I don't think that most people know what "too little information" is (including myself), so maybe that could be something you could put into the FAQ of the wiki for anons that want to be good editors but aren't and so people like me don't go anally retentive apeshit and get in heated arguments with the wiki's administrator. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 12:10, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::::When the sole basis of your argument is "tons of anons will make bad pages", it's kind of hard to do anything but roll one's eyes at it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:14, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::Anons will make useless pages regardless of policies. I truly doubt making a page about Buzz Aldrin is suddenly going to open the floodgates for pages about grass, the birds, the bees, the peanut butter jelly time banana and Zartan's male pattern baldness. Your apocalypse scenario is ridiculous to say the least. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:01, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::They exist in the Transformers universe. Why shouldn't we have pages for them? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:17, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Saying something like, "What would Jesus do?" is not making them in-universe. Besides, the pages always stay shitty and are just bytes of worthless space-taking crap. What if the wiki made a whole page for every single obscure character that happened to be seen in a passing glance of the camera? The whole wiki would be have millions of pages of crap that nobody cares about. Besides, if somebody wanted to read about Buzz aldrin, they could just go to wikipedia. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:21, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Um, yes it does. If someone mentions Jesus in Transformers, that means that Jesus is in the Transformers universe? That'd be like if there was a standalone story where someone mentions how Bumblebee is a great scout, but Bumblebee doesn't appear otherwise. Does that mean Bumblebee doesn't exist? And there's a difference between making an article for someone who has no name, personality, or role, and making an article for someone who has a name and has a role hinted at. (We wouldn't make an article for a generic with no dialogue who's just there in the background, but we WOULD make an article for Bumblebee since he was named and we know that he's a scout.) And what if someone was curious about what Buzz Aldrin did in the Transformers world? Wikipedia wouldn't have that. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:24, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::You know very fucking well what I am talking about, don't act like a ten-year-old. I do not mean that important characters fiction wise (as in appearing in more than one piece of fiction in one universe) shouldn't have pages, they do have pages that account what they are important in. I mean not have pages about characters like the [[Muhammad]] or [[Jesus]] page that have no significance whatsoever in any piece of fiction. If they were more important in another piece of fiction, then they could have pages. What I want is quality control that isn't headed by ten-year-olds or anal people. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:29, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::But they do have significance. A character mentions them and gives some details. Small significance, but they exist. When I said "standalone", I was referring to a whole new universe, where we don't know if Bumblebee exists or not. Then, someone confirms he exists, so we make a page for him. How am I acting like a ten-year-old?
:::::::::::(I WILL admit there's a line. Remember "History vid Megatron", anyone?) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:34, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::I think someone needs a timeout. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:02, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::I remember "history vid Megatron"! According to a history video in Animated, he was a Decepticon during Animated's Great War. He looked like he commanded at least a platoon or something. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:19, 14 December 2010 (EST)

== Astronomical/Apollo Errors in Trailer ==

The trailer seems to suggest that, after it landed, Apollo 11 passed around to the dark side of the moon, or out of radio range, or something. This is, of course, nonsense, since the moon doesn't rotate with respect to Earth. If the trailer counts as canon, do we want to start an errors section for this? [[User:JW|JW]] 14:59, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:I think it is canon. That was strange. That looked like a real clip from Walter Cronkite, but maybe it was spliced together from different reports. Or maybe it was actually from before the landing when they were still in orbit. They sort of undercut the impact of the radio silence bit when mission control was still able to communicate with them. Maybe it was Sector 7 technology? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:19, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:: My reading of the trailer was that the astronauts WALKED to the far side of the moon once the feed was cut, explored, and then returned all within 21 minutes. Which is just as ridiculous. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:24, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::You could be right. I was thrown off by one image where they were right next to the lander when they were "dark on the rock". That was probably out of sequence. Then again, being a movie trailer, the whole thing may be various images and dialog thrown together without regard to sequence. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:34, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::But ''did'' they go to the dark side? I took "dark on the rock" to mean that communications were nil, that they were "in the dark", as it were. A figurative phrase, not literal. After all - you can SEE the Earth in the sky behind the spaceship! That couldn't be the dark side! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:02, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Cronkite says "We now have had confirmation of loss of signal from Apollo 11. Apollo 11 is on the far side of the moon". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:07, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::"Apollo 11" is the name of the mission, which involved the Columbia rocketship and the Lunar module that landed. The Columbia was in lunar orbit while Buzz and Neil were on the surface of the planet. The Columbia part of Apollo 11 definitely could have been on the far side of the moon, unless it, was, like, circling the exact circumference of the moon that we can see from Earth. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:13, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Mind, the actual "dark side of the moon" where the Autobot spaceship had crashed sure had a lot of friggin' light about and plenty of crisp shadows. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:09, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I tried to find out if the lander bounced signals off the ''Columbia'' but my Google skills failed me. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:18, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I'm pretty sure the whole "Dark of the Moon", "dark on the rock" thing is figurative, to both describe the mystery on the Moon and NASA's real reason for traveling there, rather than literally "the ''Ark'' crashed on the dark side of the moon, and the dark side of the moon is a short walk from Tranquility Base." [http://science.howstuffworks.com/lunar-landing2.htm This article] suggests that ''Columbia'' served as the communications link between ''Eagle'' and Earth. Wish I could find a better article or source, but my google-fu is not great. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:50, 22 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::Even taking that as figurative, the trailer shows the Earth close to the horizon, when it should be nearly directly overhead. It also appears to move between shots only a short time apart. [[User:JW|JW]] 06:55, 22 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Yea, it doesn't look like an actual error, except the movie makers wanted the Earth in every shot (I don't blame them). But the trailer doesn't make it clear that the ''Columbia'' is a communications link or anything like that so it is confusing. If it wasn't on the far side of the Moon, I don't see how they could have kept it secret. Anyone with a big enough telescope would be able to see it, I would think. At least observatories. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:19, 22 December 2010 (EST)
The term "Dark side of the moon" was a misnomer even before Transformers got hold of it. The dark side of the moon refers to the side of the moon that always faces away from Earth. But it gets just as much sunlight as the near side. It should rightly be called the FAR side of the moon.[[Special:Contributions/180.176.116.4|180.176.116.4]] 23:45, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

== MEGATRON IN DARK OF THE MOON ==
I have been looking around the internet about Transformers 3, and everywhere says that Megatron is returning for Transformers 3 as a Mack Titan Tanker Truck, I know that Michael Bay hasen't released any news yet on any Decepticons apart from Shockwave, but if Hasbro didn't release the pictures of the Megatron tanker truck toy, how the hell did they get on the internet, even Leader Class Ironhide pictures are around. Does anyone think that megatron should be added to the Decepticons?
Thanks Plo Koon 1
:It's most likely a stolen prototype from a factory, and NO, Megatron '''will not be added until Hasbro or Michael Bay or some other official source says he's in'''. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:42, 27 December 2010 (EST)
:Kindly go away and never return. This is all you do, come here once a movie is in production and either add stolen info, or rant on talk pages about how we should add stolen info, and frankly I am sick of it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:13, 27 December 2010 (EST)
::Why don't you go look up some more information and get adding to the page instead of waiting for Michael Bay's and Hasbro's precious information. {{unsigned|Plo Koon 1}}
:::Because we only use OFFICIAL information. If it doesn't come from Hasbro, Bay or another official source, it ISN'T information as far as we are concerned.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:45, 27 December 2010 (EST)
:::Yeah, that's a great idea, let's post every single thing anonymous people post on Wikipedia, that's the best way to do research. Or post about stolen toys, thieves are always the best source of info. And then we'll have to take it down, because it turns out to be wrong. Or get crap from Hasbro, because it's stolen. That'll work out great. This Wiki is interested in getting things ''right'', not ''first''. The policy and the reasons for it have been explained quite clearly. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 16:53, 27 December 2010 (EST)

== Ashton Kutcher ==

Just noticed, along with Ben Kingsley theres a spoof of the Heidi Montag audition by Ashton Kutcher. I can't put a link in though, as i have no idea how to.[[User:Burnout|Burnout]] 11:40, 20 January 2011 (EST)Burnout

Just paste it!—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 13:05, 23 January 2011 (EST)

== THE FIRST offical Images for DOTM Toys ==
Are these Officals right? http://www.asmzine.com/geekly-rewind/2011/01/28/toy-fair-uk-images-of-starscream-and-ironhide/ If so then its time to add these pics to Starscream and Ironhide Pages and make the DOTM Toyline Page well that its if anybody here considers these officals—[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]] 28 January 2011 (EST)
:Well, the article ''claims'' the pics are from Hasbro, but we better hold off until we're sure (as well as hold off on creating any 'MechTech' articles) - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 22:41, 28 January 2011 (EST)
::ASM would be the last site in the world to lie about that. They're official, and they were delivered to most every Transformers website. I wouldn't be surprised if we got them too, but I'm not [[User:Monzo|Monzo]], so I couldn't tell you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:48, 28 January 2011 (EST)
:::Yes, we received the images from Hasbro as well. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:23, 29 January 2011 (EST)
::::Thank You, Jesus, we finally got toy pics that aren't stolen prototypes! :D - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:19, 29 January 2011 (EST)

== Ratchet and Ironhide ==
i think we should add ratchet and Ironhide in the cast and character list sicne the 2 were in the trailer and the trailer like an Offical Source—[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]

== Laserbeak (?) ==

A bird-robot was also in the trailer.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 19:51, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:Looked more dragon-y than bird-y to me. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:03, 9 February 2011 (EST)
::Either way, the wiki isn't much of a place for speculation so whoever it is is moot until we get an official toy listing or promotional render. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:07, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:::Indeed, Detour. It could be Laserbeak, or Buzzsaw, or something new. Could it be Laserbeak? Most likely, yes. However, like Detour said, TFwiki.net doesn't deal with "most likely". Be patient, folks; we'll find out soon enough (the movie will be out in five months and we might find out officially before then). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:40, 9 February 2011 (EST)
::::Whatever. If the toy we've seen resembling it is the same character, it must have two modes: condor mode and dragon mode. - [[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 19:35, 13 March 2011 (EST)

The same character (or an identical one) in the game is confirmed as Laserbeak. Is that sufficient enough to list him as a film character?
 - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 2:58 PM, 27 March 2011 A.D.
:Confirmed where? By whom? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:45, 27 March 2011 (EDT)
::Well, it WAS on the page for the DOTM game, but it isn't anymore, so I'm guessing that was incorrect.
::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 5:04 PM, 27 March 2011 A.D.
:::I removed it from there as there was no source listed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:10, 27 March 2011 (EDT)

== New guys? ==

Just a question. From the Superbowl trailer you can see that there are some "already dead" guys. I mean Barricade°(here it isnt really certain), Long Haul and (desert) Brawl. Should these be added into the list of appeared characters, since they were'''officially revealed''' via trailer? --[[Special:Contributions/194.228.147.9|194.228.147.9]] 21:12, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:No. Just because they look like the old characters doesn't mean they are. More there's no reason to list nameless characters we know nothing about. Be patient. Plenty of time after the movie is out. We're in no rush.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:19, 11 February 2011 (EST)
::(That was not Barricade, but Sideways. Well, *a* Sideways.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:01, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:You recognized Long Haul and Brawl? You mean like how [[Grindor (ROTF)|we recognized Blackout in ROTF?]] --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 12:04, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:: Because of Hasbro's action figures, we knew that there was a Blackout lookalike named "Grindor" from the start. Until Hasbro reveals some alternate names for these guys, I think we can feel safe keeping them under the umbrella of their known names, like we did and do with ROTF's Constructicons. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:22, 20 February 2011 (EST)
::: Long Haul and Brawl ''do'' have same-body-type buddies from the toyline--Payload and Tankor respectively. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 12:33, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:::: Yes, but all of the green Long Hauls are accounted for on Long Haul's page. This is just another green Long Haul, and we should treat it as such until we know differently. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:42, 20 February 2011 (EST)

== Crankcase, Ratchet, etc ==

Dudes, if we have a trailer and a Toy Fair, and we see vehicle modes that we know belong to movie characters, and we see those vehicle modes that belong to movie characters ''transform into the robot modes of said movie characters'' I really think we need to get beyond the "we pretend we don't know anything" schtick. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:59, 20 February 2011 (EST)
: Also, the whole "what if this is not the real Crankcase and the real Crankcase is elsewhere" is an argument that ''predicates'' on the idea that the "real" Crankcase is in the film. And if there IS no "real" Crankcase in the film, then this "generic" BECOMES the "real" Crankcase. Either way, he's in the damn film. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:07, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:: FurtherFURTHERmore, the fact that the counterargument has gone from "it's just an SUV" to "it's just a robot" to "it's just a robot mode that looks like Crankcase's" as this goes on just feels like this is a counterargument based not on facts but on obstinate reluctance. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:12, 20 February 2011 (EST)
::: And to put a final nail in the coffin, there were several [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]s in ''Revenge of the Fallen'', but they were all accounted for on Long Haul's page as Long Haul. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:16, 20 February 2011 (EST)
::: I think if this passes based on this argument, then everyone in charge of this site better remember this when others are putting up information using the same reasoning. [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 15:23, 20 February 2011 (EST)

== New Chevy Beat/Spark 'Bots (?) ==

Nelson said that a Chevy Spark spotted on set was not Skids, but a ''new'' character.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 20:11, 25 February 2011 (EST)
:We'll get to it when '''''official information comes out'''''. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:30, 25 February 2011 (EST)
::So, Nelson isn't a trustable source?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 17:19, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::There's literally not enough information to do anything with. What do you want, a page for ''Unnamed Chevy Spark character who might just be one of the Twins, we aren't sure yet''? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 17:46, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::Those Sparks were seen in trailer, but I still don't believe non-appearance of the Twins being misinformation. Characters were said to be cut off from the film, but the vehicles not. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 9:24, 2 May 2011 (EST)
:::::If their vehicles appear, the characters are in the film. Please don't revert again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:31, 2 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::CAJH, considering how much Bay lied about Megatron not coming back in ROTF, and his (and Nelson's) claims about the Twins not coming back in DOTM (despite all evidence to the contrary), we're better off including them based upon what we can actually see rather than they tell us. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:33, 2 May 2011 (EDT)

== Is Mirage really in DOTM??? ==

I saw that Mirage was added to the cast list (as of 11:09 pm EST on April 8th, 2011). Besides the Speed Star toy of Mirage, is there any actual evidence that the red Ferrari in DOTM is Mirage? I think the addition is a bit premature (I was about to undo the addition, but I thought I would play it safe). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:13, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
:We're not exactly sure yet, so leaving him off for now is probably for the best. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:28, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

==Brains==

Some believe that Brains might become the Einstein-Mercedes-bot, but I don't think so. Bay confirmed Brains being small in film too. What would you think that Einstein-bot be, if he's not Brains? --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 12:53, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:More than likely just an early head design for Wheeljack. But we'll know for sure when the movie's out or more promotional renders are revealed. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:00, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:: Brains is in the "Rising Storm" comic prequel. He's a tiny hatchling guy that Bumblebee and Sam escort. Wheeljack is a separate dude who looks like Wheeljack. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:23, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:::And if Wheeljack ever is that Mercedes-bot, it's very understandable that he would be different in film. Shockwave and Sentinel were too different in comic adaptations. And do not forget Mirage, though it's not officially confirmed, if he is the Ferrari-bot or not. And Brains we'll see in film looks definitely different than Brains we saw in comics.--[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 14:28, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

== Darkside Moon ==

I am a fan of these two titles because they have that "crazy" factor to them. That said...

I notice there's exactly one dot in those there katakana. I don't suppose it's actually "Darkside Moon", eh? You see "Darkside" here and there, really. [[Special:Contributions/174.111.86.22|174.111.86.22]] 09:53, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
:Maybe. could be. Anyone else think it should be changed to "Darkside Moon" as opposed to the "Dark Side Moon" title that I originally wrote? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:04, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

== Trailer ==

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-dark-of-the-moon-trailer-172021/ It also seems that Simmons lost a leg, and there are many Crankcases--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 19:46, 28 April 2011 (EDT)
:I think he broke his leg, but anyway people can see the video for themselves so we don't need to mention stuff in it here. If you want to discuss the content of the video, you should take it to a forum. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:48, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

== Washington Post thing ==

That video is from 2010. Why did you date it April 30, 2011? Also, it's probably too plot point spoilery for us to use. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:36, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

== Avon sweepstakes ==

Looks like Avon's having a contest to meet Patrick Dempsey at the premier of DotM. Link [http://www.avon.com/PatrickDempsey here]. Worth mentioning on the page? (Started last week if you want to add this to the timeline) -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 09:13, 3 May 2011 (EDT)
:I personally don't think it should be added to the ''film'' article of the DOTM franchise, but this is unique in that Avon is having this contest without (as far as I know) having any merchandise tie-ins. Perhaps it could be noted on the main DOTM franchise article page as well as on the Patrick Demsey article. Either way, this is note-worthy. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:28, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

== Hatchet is he,in the film? ==

Is it just me or should we add him because somebody add the "more info will pop up in July,1,2011" box-thing,just sayin' - [[User:Dinodigger97|Dinodigger97]],May-4-2011
:If you mean Ratchet, he is already in the cast list. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:33, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
::Actually, there's a new Decepticon named [[Hatchet]], so I think that's who he meant. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:05, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
:::D'oh! Sorry, hard to keep up with all these new dudes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:30, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
::::To answer your question Dinodigger97, no, we don't know. I'm not sure why Hatchet's article has a fiction section already, as there has been no indication that he is in the movie. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:34, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

== Amazon comic spoilers ==

Could we please not get all excited about the spoiled comic adaptation pages on Amazon and rush off to the wiki? I think CAJH even cited Alientraveller's edits with a flickr account (with, I presume, pages of the comic). I wasn't about to spoil myself to look, so I just reverted everything. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:33, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
:For that matter, the comic adaptations of the movie are usually done from earlier versions of the script, and aren't guaranteed to reflect the movie itself. If we ''must'' document every little nugget, those spoilers would more properly go on the comic adaptation's page.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:42, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
::Sorry guys, I concur as Amazon.com has apparently removed those pages (and TFW followed suit). Just a shame I still can't find a source to confirm the name of Shockwave's pet, or Dempsey's character for this page. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:45, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
:::... did you just mention a spoiler? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:22, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Maybe the comic adaptation has little differences with the film. But some elements like rest of the characters can't be different. But ok then. Let's wait at least until the release date. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 19:43, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Why couldn't the characters be different? Characters might appear in fight scenes in the comic with names and personalities yet be represented in the film only by an indistinguishable mass of duplicates of someone else. Thus, the [[Dread (subgroup)|Dreads]] in the movie might all be [[Crankcase (DOTM)|Crankcase]] doppelgangers but [[Hatchet]] might appear in the comic. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:57, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Anyway, my main point for the revert was that the pages of the comics were apparently chock full of spoilers that were not supposed to be revealed yet (hence sites like TFW having to remove their news post). And even if Hasbro/Bay/Paramount didn't care (except they do), the wiki has a policy of avoiding overt spoilers for fiction until the release date. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:12, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

== Dreads ==

Not trying to start a discussion with anybody, just pointing out: We already saw that there's a Black Dodge Charger, who's NOT Barricade, also we've seen that Hatchet is a Dread, and he has three other chances of appearing --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 14:19, 11 May 2011 (EDT)
:What? Seen what? Why are you pointing this out here? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:34, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
::If you have something against this post, I have no problem in erasing it --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 18:06, 22 May 2011 (EDT)

== Just wondering... ==

The 2007 TF film article used quotes from the 1986 movie, should I replace those with one of the prequels of Star Wars. (or, to be more specific, Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith) --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 16:27, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
: Do not alter the captions on the 2007 film article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:29, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Or maybe other stuff from Ep 4. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 16:30, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

At Walky: OK, I ''will'' [Not alter the quotes].

But still, quite stupid to quote the 1986 movie. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 16:34, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
: I've got an idea. Call our efforts stupid one more time and you can have a quite stupid ban. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:39, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

== June 28 release? ==

I followed the link given for the release date, and that dateline site says it's coming out June 2'''9''', not 28. Is there something somewhere that suggests it's coming out on Tuesday instead? [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] 18:02, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

== Capone's AICN Review ==
Any thoughts regarding the first review of the movie?[[User:Ryantherebel|Ryantherebel]] 16:02, 23 May 2011 (EDT)
-I think the review said the twins are in there, is it a reliable source to put in the confirmed?? (how do I sign posts?)
:Regardless, the director of the film is a much more reliable source. And you sign your posts by typing "<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>". (You may wish to review the [[Help:Contents|Help pages]].)
::-[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]]

== Foreign names ==
Serbian name for Dark of the Moon is: Transformers 3: Dark of the Moon, the only one with the "accurate" translation yet. Put it on the page in the Foreign names.[[User:DarkCon|DarkCon]] 12:57, 1 June 2011 (EDT)
:That's the translation, but what is it in actual Serbian?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 07:29, 1 June 2011 (EDT)
:Transformers 3: Tama Meseca--[[User:DarkCon|DarkCon]] 20:04, 1 June 2011 (EDT)

== Mirage ==
Should the whole mirage is not the ferrari be on this article? [[Special:Contributions/68.197.232.80|68.197.232.80]] 15:48, 2 June 2011 (EDT)

== Renaming Wheeljack and Mirage ==
now we know the names they will use the film, should we add some info of the change on theri pages or Rename their Pages?
:If by "know", you mean "the same guy we didn't believe when he said it the first time just kept saying it", sure. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:12, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::These sound like nicknames given to them by crew members who don't know the real names and don't really care. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:47, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Okay. but if the name changes turns out to be true Are you guys going to Consider them Seperate Characters Or you are Still Going to consider them the Same bots, depsite the Name change (like you guys did with Simmons Parents Pages)
::::See [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl, also known as Devastator]]. And we eventually merged the Simmonses. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:07, 12 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::that means yes :P

== Barricade ==
[http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh199/eagc7/More/dotm20barricade.jpg] Confirmation that he is in the film?
Hope so -[[User:Kaine852|Kaine852]] 05:41, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
:This time around, I'd say yes! - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:15 AM, 17 June 2011 A.D.
::Considering the reused character models which happened both last movie (Grindor, the new Buffalo MPV 'Con) and in this movie (Sideways), I really wouldn't jump the gun so quickly on this. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:53, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Ah, fair point. Yet those were instances of characters who had both died previously. Barricade has clearly been shown [[Alliance issue 1|to]] [[Transformers Comic issue 2.1|be]] [[The Veiled Threat|still]] [[Tales of the Fallen issue 1|alive]]. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 11:44, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
::::I'm not saying it's 100% totally not him, I'm saying they've reused character models in the past, so don't jump the gun and let's wait and see. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:47, 17 June 2011 (EDT)

== Carly ==
Discussion moved to [[Talk:Carly Miller|Carly's talkpage]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:16, 18 June 2011 (EDT)

== Superfund Armored Truck ==

So we still don't know the identity of the Superfund Armored Truck, Michael Bay, you're doing a great job -_- --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 09:27, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

== Twins, Dino and Que ==
one guy in the tfw2005 site who saw the film says the twins appear for one Single scene in the film, the scene where they are seen in the trailer entering the NEST hangar, does this means they are TRULY in the film but for one scene link [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/423302-autocons-dotm-q-thread-spoilers.html#post6254202], Plus this guy confirmed WHeelajck and Dino are truly named Dino and Que[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/423302-autocons-dotm-q-thread-spoilers-3.html#post6254472] {{unsigned|Eagc7}}
:At this point it's less than a day until the movie's out. There's not really much hurry to add new information when everyone will be able to see it, and the whole article will be restructured anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:34, 28 June 2011 (EDT)
:: Skids and Mudflap are in the film and should be listed as such. Bay only ever said that they don't PERFORM in the movie, which is true. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:51, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
McFeely coming down on the side of "Que" (god, I hate typing that) makes me question whether I'm the one who's wrong about "Q" being in the credits. Does anyone at all have my back on this independently? -[[User:LV|LV]] 10:08, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
:Walky says he rewatched it and it's definitely "Que" in the credits. So against what I went on the rampage with earlier, these pages need to be changed back to the worst name in Transformers history. Sigh. (Yes, even worse than Rodimus Prime.) -[[User:LV|LV]] 08:39, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
::Oh lord... I'd been told it was "Q" in the credits, which is why I'd changed the latest additions... Eugh. I guess they didn't want to make the James Bond similarities ''too'' blatant, but still, eugh. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:50, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Silverbolt ==

So...he's just simply out of the movie and no James Avery in the end? --[[User:Jolt17|Jolt17]] 11:01, 29 June 2011

:Seem so. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:01, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== It's Out ==

So when somebody takes a break from watching the best movie over and over again can you please add the info to it.

==Long Haul and Brawl in Dark of the Moon==
I haven't seen the movie yet but when the Super Bowl trailer was released Decepticons resembling Long Haul and Brawl were spotted, do they appear in the final film as I haven't seen it yet? [[User:DOTM123|DOTM123]] 12:08, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
: Brawl was replaced by Long Haul, if I recall correctly. This is going by trailer footage, though. The tan Brawl wasn't in the later ones, with Long Haul replacing him in the wide shot so that it better matched who Prime was rampaging through in the closeup. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:37, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
::On the subject of background 'Cons, I think I recall seeing one in Chicago with massive forearms that it walked on... Am I imagining things, and if not, was it a new model? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]]

Here's what I'mma say on the subject of these generics.
*Brawl and Sideways - they're dead. Can't be them.
*Long Haul and Scrapper - Constructicons share body types. There are multiple iterations of each, and the DOTM appearance of these two should just be on the existing pages. Frankly, I've thought for a while the Constructicon pages could stand a bit of reworking to be about the body-types, rather than the individuals where applicable.
*Scalpel - he didn't die in ROTF. Sure, he died in the comic adaptation, but then, Barricade died in the TF1 adaptation, and Dino died instead of Que in the DOTM adaptation. So there's no saying with ''any'' certainty that Scalpel is dead, and one of those little guys could absolutely be him. He's turned up alive in Titan's post-ROTF fiction. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:47, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
:About bodytypes vs individuals: I've said that same thing about Swindle, Longarm, Dreadwing and co. from the first movie for a while but it seems to go unnoticed... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:05, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

==GI Joe/Transformers reference?==
So, I just got back from seeing it, and all I'm wondering: Sam's actions against Starscream, would they fall under the Transformers References section as references to Snake-Eyes own actions against Starscream in [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 5|GI Joe vs. the Transformers #5]]? Unlike a lot of other things people ask are references, this seems pretty blatant. [[User:Boy Blunderous|Boy Blunderous]] 05:46, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
:Psht, you're silly. (I really wish this was an intentional reference, but all things considered, I really doubt those who worked on the script and shooting have read that story. Could be a ref, but not confirmed.) [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 18:26, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

==Obscure Hard-To-See Decepticons==
I've heard around that throughout the movie, a number of Decepticons are shown with vehicle modes and all, not just drones. For example, there's a 'Con that turns into a military Stryker with a robot-mode that looks like the Cloverfield monster, a random polic car (not Barricade, all white) and one that turns into a garbage truck, but it's robot looks like Long Haul. Did anyone else catch these Cannonfodder/Deadguy Decepticons? If so, do you have any pictures?

== Silverbolt ==

Am I the only one who saw what might be Silverbolt lurking in the background when the Autobots are being exiled? --[[Special:Contributions/89.17.232.104|89.17.232.104]] 05:21, 3 July 2011 (EDT)
:In all likelihood, yes. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:04, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Skids and Mudflap in the cast list? ==

I don't think the Twins belong in the cast list. They were deliberately dropped from the film, their one appearance basically an oversight. They effectively weren't there at all, in-story. That you can see them briefly should be noted, of course, but not in a "Main Cast" list. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 10:52, 5 July 2011 (EDT)--[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 10:52, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
: I feel every named Autobot or Decepticon who appears should be in the cast list. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:57, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
Then shouldn't all humans who appear should be in the cast of the page?[[Special:Contributions/120.28.64.73|120.28.64.73]] 21:48, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== The Wreckers a Star Trek refrence? ==
Do you think it sould be noted that the Wreckers being engineers with scottish accents is similiar to Scotty, the scottish engineer from the Starship Enterprise? May even be delibirate, considering the other amount of Star Trek refrences in this movie. --[[User:Captain-lelouch|Captain-lelouch]] 1:02, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Eight Autobots aboard the Xantium ==

Re: ''When the Autobots are boarding the Xantium, it's said that eight of them are leaving. Even assuming Wheelie and Brains don't count, that number is at least one too small. '' 
The line I heard was "Do you really think exiling nine Autobots is going to stop the Decepticons?". Or something along those lines. Either way, I clearly heard "nine." Where does "eight" come from? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 16:08, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
: I remember it as nine as well, which accounts for everyone other than Wheelie and Brains. (Optimus, Bumblebee, Ratchet, Sideswipe, Dino, Q, and the three Wreckers). --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:15, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
::They definitely said nine. --Walky not logged in
:::I must be remembering it wrong. Mea culpa. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:08, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Bonecrusher ==

I think I saw a Bonecrusher-type Decepticon during the film because the character has a "Mine-sweeping arm". Is there anyone who rewatch the film can confirm whether there is such a character or not? Thanks. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:55, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Sentinel Error ==

[[Special:Contributions/180.191.75.154|180.191.75.154]] 05:59, 6 July 2011 (EDT)I believe that the error is Sentinel already speaking english just after his awakening.

Also, he is already disguised as the Rosenbauer fire truck on the Ark and before he is resurrected. [[Special:Contributions/24.7.13.69|24.7.13.69]] 03:24, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

:He is? I thought he appeared solely in robot mode in those scenes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:32, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
::Yeah, I didn't mean that he appears as the firetruck, just that you can see all the truck kibble parts on his armor (front windshields are the most obvious)[[Special:Contributions/24.7.13.69|24.7.13.69]] 01:19, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:He may be in robot mode but he does have the kibble of his Earth Mode so I think that would count as an error. [[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 11:03, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
sooo...can we get back to my question in which Sentinel can already speak english?[[Special:Contributions/120.28.64.77|120.28.64.77]] 08:59, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:As a rule, "has altmode kibble before acquiring altmode" '''is''' something we comment on, but "can speak English with no explanation" is '''not''' (it happens in many, many, many places). [[User:JW|JW]] 10:07, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
::I'm adding it as an error.[[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 18:35, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
== Note on top (leaks, set photos) ==

Now that the movie is out, this one can go, no? Set photos can now be used as evidence for deleted scenes etc.?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:50, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

== Screwed physics ==

Does Sam hanging on tho the rope in the boomstick stuck to Starscream, then Sam holding it with one hand then he goes up and down without dislocating his shoulder, count as an error?(The one where the boomstick is stuck in the eye and then Sam is hanging on to the rope while Starscream is flying up and down without sam dislocating his bones?)[[Special:Contributions/120.28.64.77|120.28.64.77]] 09:03, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:Nah, he's an action hero. They do that kinda stuff all the time. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:05, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

== Megatron/Galvatron ==

It seems like Megatron's "breakdown" in the film following the destruction of his master The Fallen after ROTF seems to mimic that of Galvatron G1: Season 3/Post-Movie after Unicron is destroyed, did anyone else notice this?
:No.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 05:29, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== Optimus's closing narration/monologue confusion ==

Somebody quoted him as saying:

{{quote|In any war, there are calms between the storms. There will be days when we lose faith. Days when our allies turn against us... but the day will never come when we forsake this planet and its people. For I am Optimus Prime, and I send this message to the universe: We are here. We are home.}}

However, in the 2D prints I've seen, the monologue (and indeed, the film) ends when he says "but the day will never come when we forsake this planet and its people." Is the second half of this quote from the 3D cut? An adaptation?? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:13, 9 July 2011 (EDT)
:I can confirm the last part is in the 3D cut, since that's what I saw. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:03, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

::I just watched it in standard, and Prime's monolugue did indeed end at "never forsake this planet and its people."[[Special:Contributions/174.255.177.18|174.255.177.18]] 08:03, 10 July 2011 (EDT) (Sntint)

==Synopsis==

Ok, reading it, it needs SERIOUS work. Some clunky writing, and its not written entirely in on-screen order. I'm thinking of having a go, but there are much better writers here than me. Just sayin' [[User:Eire|Eire]] 20.56 July 09 (BST)
:[[Transformers (2007)]]'s summary isn't in on-screen order either... Pardon me for following an established example.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:36, 9 July 2011 (EDT)
::Clarity trumping chronology when summarizing interleaved action? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:33, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== TF movie 1 and DOTM Continuity error. ==

In Transformers 1, Megatron went to earth because he was chasing the Allspark, but in DOTM, he said he was supposed to meet with Sentinel Prime, so is that an error?[[Special:Contributions/180.191.113.87|180.191.113.87]] 09:35, 10 July 2011 (EDT)
:[[Movie timeline]]. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 09:35, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

== Ravage sighting ==

I think I saw Ravage fighting on Cybertron at the beginning of the movie.
Can anybody else confirm this for me?1:43, 11 July 2011 John Prime

:Yes, there was a Ravage model in the opening sequence. It seems to me, though, that this was a giant Ravage, as he was killing little tiny robot people. If so, I think it's safe to say that wasn't actually Ravage, just a lookalike. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 17:23, 11 July 2011 (EDT)
: There were like 30 of him and he was a much larger, modified model. Probably not RAVAGE-Ravage, no. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:43, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

== Transformers references ==

:''Starscream yelling "My eye! My eye!" after Sam injured him with one of Que's inventions is reminiscent of his Generation 1 counterpart yelling "My foot!" after having it squeezed in 1986's The Transformers: The Movie.''

Does this really count as a reference? The only link between them is "My (bodyparts)". ''G1'' Starscream says "Ohhh, my foot!" while his ''Movie'' counterpart says "My eye! My eye!". --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:55, 11 July 2011 (EDT)
: Yeah, I don't think this is a reference so much as it is likely for Starscream to whine about pain. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:59, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

==DOTM Watch-bot==
I didn't want to remove this without permission but Watch-bot dosen't appear in the movie, it only appears in the Novel. Its just like Optimus and Megatron make peace in the Novel but don't in the Movie and Megatron is killed by him, so shouldn't the Watch-Bot be moved to the book cast and removed off the movie cast? [[User:DOTM123|DOTM123]] 15:04, 13 July 2011 (EDT)DOTM123[[User:DOTM123|DOTM123]] 15:04, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:You must've forgot the Decepticon on Sam's wrist causing him to behave freakishly at Cape Kennedy. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:16, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:OOPS, sorry about that lol I remember now, is someone going to create the article for the character. [[User:DOTM123|DOTM123]] 15:19, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

== Quotes ==

So there appears to be some debate over whether certain lines are missing from the 2D version or not.

Based on [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/432568-2d-version-missing-lines.html this] and [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=80827 this] thread, I'm fairly confident that there is no "edited 2D version", Simmons ''does'' say the "I speak their language" bit in the 2D version, and Optimus Prime's closing narration ends with "its people" in the 3D version. Everything else is people misremembering, or applying dialogue from the novelization and the comic adaptation to the movie itself.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 18:26, 15 July 2011 (EDT)

:SO CHANGE IT YOU FOOLS!!!~ --[[Special:Contributions/96.54.198.88|96.54.198.88]] 19:29, 23 July 2011 (EDT)

== About Barricade's voice... ==

I don't think him having soundwave's voice is an error, I mean it is legal that two transformers can be voiced by one voice actor[[Special:Contributions/120.28.64.77|120.28.64.77]] 00:52, 16 July 2011 (EDT)
:"Legal"? What are you talking about? Frank Welker can be credited with as many voices he is cast in. The issue with Barricade was he was speaking in the exact same voice as Soundwave in a scene where Soundwave has several lines of dialogue. If they meant for Barricade to be the character dragging Que/Wheeljack away and talking, Welker would have been easily capable of performing in an entirely different voice. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:59, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
::Actually, how do we know Barry's even the one talking? In a scene with Soundwave delivering so many lines, a voice that sounded like Soundwave could very well have ''been'' Soundwave. Unless, of course, the credits listed Welker as Barricade (but I do not recall that). - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 18:41, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
::: haha barry! But has it been confirmed that while Barricade was shoving some cons his mouth or jaw was moving?(Just a question)
::::His mouth did visibly move.
:::::Yes, when we see Barricade initially grabbing Wheeljack, his mouth is animated to Soundwave's voice. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:07, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

== Pink Floyd ''Dark Side of The Moon'' Quotes? ==

If we're going to go with [http://www.pink-floyd-lyrics.com/html/dark-side-moon-lyrics.html Pink Floyd ''Dark Side of the Moon''] quotes for the images on this page, now is the time to start. Some thoughts:
* For the Megs vs. Lincoln screepcap, "For the want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died," or, "Listen son, said the man with the gun, there's room for you inside," or, "If your head explodes with dark forebodings too..."
* For the shot of Neil Armstrong, "I'll see you on the dark side of the moon." seems pretty obvious. Possibly too obvious.
* For the worm attacking Optimus, "For long you live and high you fly," maybe?
(There really aren't a lot of lyrics in those songs...) [[User:JW|JW]] 11:35, 27 July 2011 (EDT)
:Yeah... I don't know this band/singer/group/vocaloid, so I can only say, for the sake of those others who don't (I've no idea how famous/obscure this "Pink Floyd" is), how about using quotes from ''The Wrath of Khan'' (or just ''Star Trek'' in general), seeing as that's already a pattern in the film? - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 16:51, 27 July 2011 (EDT)
::Look, I'm not a fan myself, but come on! Pink Floyd is one of the most influential bands of the 20th century! Dark Side of the Moon is one of the best selling albums of all time. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 19:55, 27 July 2011 (EDT)
:::Wrong album, but "Good morning, Worm, your honor!" is the best possible caption for the driller pic--yes, even better than "Waiting for Worms" or "Follow the Worms". So, are we going through with this or not? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 20:51, 27 July 2011 (EDT)
::::Well, I'd literally never heard of them until people started trying to correct me on the title of ''DOTM'' based upon their album. Anyway, I'd wait for word from ItsWalky or another authority figure before doing it (though I personally wouldn't do it as I don't know stuff). For now, as the captions are "mine" currently, I'll go with ''Star Trek'' and see where it leads us. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 18:37, 28 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::I was hoping for ''Return of the Jedi'' quotes, but I could go with the ''Wrath of Khan'' quotes. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 20:39, 28 July 2011 (EDT)
::::::Though the consensus up above was for Pink Floyd, ''Wrath of Khan'' would be ''awesome.'' (And Floyd's ''Dark Side of the Moon'' album was somewhere on Billboard's LP charts for over ''fourteen years,'' back when rock was young. I recommend it for your listening pleasure.) [[User:JW|JW]] 21:53, 28 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::::To hell with Pink Floyd, to hell I say! Wrath of Khan all the way! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:31, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

While I agree that the Pink Floyd idea makes some sense, I personally think it's a better idea to go with quotes from a movie, as that has been the trend (unless the [[User:ItsWalky|powers that be]] say otherwise). The current ones were just quotes I found on a whim that work for the time being. Later, better pictures and more suitable ''Wrath of Khan'' quotes will likely be worked into the article... And when we get a pic of Sentinel being evil, the caption needs to be "There's a man out there I haven't seen in fifteen years who's trying to kill me." :) - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 00:12, 29 July 2011 (EDT)
:Queso's got the right idea. Wrath Of Khan quotes would simply ''work'' better within DOTM versus Pink Floyd. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:12, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

Wait... we're not following the trend and using Return of the Jedi quotes? Bummer. -- [[User:Boy Blunderous|Boy Blunderous]] 01:42, 31 July 2011 (EDT)
:As mentioned above, Star Wars was only a "trend" because we were building off the comments from the TF movie production teams themselves. Since none of them specifically cited a ROTJ similarity this time, us pawning things off that way would be far less appropriate and, at this point, kinda lazy too. Though I still '''strongly''' vote for Pink Floyd. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:07, 31 July 2011 (EDT)
::I say Pink Floyd too. --[[Special:Contributions/89.17.232.104|89.17.232.104]] 12:00, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

== Only Paramount movie to reach $1bil? ==

Unless that's meant to be out of the movies Paramount currently has in theatres, that's not true, [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=titanic.htm Titanic] was another Paramount movie that surpassed the $1 billion mark. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:50, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
: Titanic was only Paramount in the US, where it was only in the $600 mil mark. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:57, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
== Quote at Top ==

It was mentioned on Sentinel Prime's talk page that the quote at the top of DOTM's page would eventually be changed to "This is the one where Spock goes nuts" after the movie had been out for a while. Since it's been out for more then a month now, should the quote be changed? [[User:Ratchethide|Ratchethide]] 21:51, 3 August 2011 (EDT)Ratchethide