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==The other Hot Rod==
In the Henkei!verse, what do they call the other Hot Rod? "Hot Rodimus", or maybe just "Rodimus" like Hasbro does? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:41, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
:"Hot Rodimus". I've "translated" it into "Rodimus" when applicable, since that's the toy's name. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:43, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
::Heh. Just as you were writing that, I [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|answered my own question]]. Thanks, though! - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:45, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

==(HH)==
HH? Really? Why not just "Henkei?" --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:44, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
: Frankly, if we're abbreviating this, how about we give ourselves a typing break and abbreviate Shattered Glass to SG in article names? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:57, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
::I was wondering why we didn't do that, actually. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:33, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
:::Well, I think it's good to have parentheticals that are easily recognizable when readers are browsing through categories. Neither HH nor SG strike me as such. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:06, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
::::Agreein' with Kil, over here. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:35, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
::::Yyyyeah. I vote move to (Henkei). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:22, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
::::Sorry, Walky. (Henkei) as well. It's a heck lot easier to remember than (HH). --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:39, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::Reminds me, <nowiki>[[Jolt (HH)]]</nowiki> should be [[Jolt (Henkei!)]] as well. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:41, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
::::Put me down for (Henkei) too. --[[User:Professor Icepick|Professor Icepick]] 21:18, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
::::Henkei here too. For what it's worth. PS: Someone needs to put Hot Shot in G1 fiction so Hot Rod's name can be undisambiguated. It used to be totally awesome having my favorite character be the only one of that name on the wiki. Greg, Trent... any chance for his presence in Club prose fiction? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:05, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

== Still confused. ==

[edit:]Does this toy represent two Henkei! Henkei! Hot Rods? One in the UT and one in the Henkei continuity? Does the package say he's from Armada and the pack-in comic say he's from the Henkei continuity? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:24, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
: The Henkei toy does not reference Armada at all. The Universe toy does. This is the page about the Henkei toy only. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:27, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
::So should the Henkei toy be removed from Hot Shot's [[Hot_Shot_(Armada)/toys#Henkei.21_Henkei.21|toy page]]? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:37, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
:::Yep! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:42, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

== G1 Hot Shot ==

Now, this page makes even more sense. Thanks for noting it (Drift 2).[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 19:05, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
:How exactly did the page not make sense before? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:12, 23 September 2010 (EDT)

== Redundancy ==

While I find the whole "Alex Milne spites Walky" thing humorous, I also feel it's not important as a whole to the enigma that is Henkei Hot Rod or even Glit, for that matter. I'm not saying the information isn't useful! This site exists to preserve Transformers information, but since it's already stated in the notes for the issue, is it really necessary to parrot it here and on Glit's page? Same thing with [[Shockwave (Prime)|Shockwave]] and Corey Burton being disappointed at how hiss voice in the commercial came out. It's on Corey Burton's page; does it need to be on Shockwave's too? If it doesn't bother anyone, I'd like to trim this trivia down to just being in the article for Drift #2 itself and same with Shockwave. Is that ok? --[[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 14:46, 30 September 2010 (EDT)
:I feel it should be explained on any page where the events are recorded. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:03, 30 September 2010 (EDT)
::Is it really important here though? The explanation only reveals that the reason they died... has nothing to do with Hot Rod or Glit and everything to do with Hot Shot and SG Ravage. I think the trivia is certainly interesting to someone wanting to learn about the issue itself, but does it need mentioning on these characters pages? --[[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 23:27, 30 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Yes. It is. It explains just WHY they show up in IDW fiction just long enough to die. If we have an explanation for why [[Saber (Universe)|Saber]] shows up for a single panel, I don't see why Glit and Hot Rod can't have them. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:35, 30 September 2010 (EDT)
::::But neither of these characters only show up for a single panel! Saber's only existence in continuity is that panel, so I understand explaining it right there with him so people know who he is. But Hot Rod and Glit both exist outside of this issue, and their cameos here are only because the characters being spitefully murdered can't actually be there. I really don't think that one cameo is interesting enough for either character (who again, the cameo really has nothing to do with THOSE characters). I agree we need to tell why they're given the "hi-then-die"; I just think the character pages are the wrong place. --[[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 23:47, 30 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Well we have to explain why they're there dying and why it's listed on their page and not on SG Ravage and UT Hot Shot's pages. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:50, 30 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::Do we? Like I said, I don't think we need to know why they're dying on their own pages. I think that's better left to the actual comic issue. As far as explaining why it's on these pages, it's already explained on Hot Rod's page WHY he isn't UT Hot Shot. If people are reading about him, they already know he exists in G1 and so they would understand why a Hot Shot cameo in a comic has t actually be Henkei Hot Rod. If someone wanted to know why they were in that issue, wouldn't the logical step be to click on the issue?
--[[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 23:58, 30 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::"Do we?" Yes. Yes we do. We have similar "redundant" information all over this wiki. It serves a critical purpose. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:29, 1 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::What is the critical purpose of repeating it on the character pages? I don't think "redundant" information is always unnecessary, but I really don't think this adds anything to our understanding of those two characters (Glit and Hot Rod). --[[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|rideonshootingstarxx]] 00:34, 1 October 2010 (EDT)

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== TFsource ad buy ==

TFsource contacted me, having seen our perennial Reprolabels ad up above and wanting in on a piece of the action, wanting to permanently buy one of our other ad spots. The question I have is, would/should we restrict them from ads depicting "third-party" toys and bootlegs? Perhaps this is the ghost of BotCon hovering over me, since their Wall Of Trademark And Copyright Theft Directly Facing the Hasbro Booth is prominent in my mind, and I know a few of the editors here expressed some displeasure with that. Is that a big deal for anyone, does anyone care in this context, or should I be all "ABSOLUTELY!" and then we make a deal and rake in the dough? Can we even judge, since we have, you know, all of this scanned material and whatnot? These are the questions I present. Tell me how much they matter. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:24, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:All else being equal I'd prefer to avoid it, unless we're desperate for cash. We know some Hasbro staff look at this wiki and they've been clear in how much that stuff bugs them. Also, the more our pageviews include imagery of Fake Magnus Armor and Fake Springer and Fake Rod et al., the more we're going to have to deal with new arrivals who feel that's all kosher for inclusion in the main articles. If it's possible to get a TFSource ad that will never display a bootleg, then I'd have no problem with it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:36, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::Seems like a reasonable restriction for us to make to me. My take on our scans is that one, we generally err on the side of fair use in not uploading entire pages and making sure we credit the hell out of things, and two, they're not a 100% vital part of the wiki anyway--if Hasbro told us to take every scan down tomorrow we could comply and still have a perfectly usable (just a less visually exciting) wiki. 
::That's kind of different from openly advertising toys that totally violate Hasbro's copyright, though. Even aside from the legal tangles (which is no small aside, certainly), while I know we are in that murky grey area in some things, we ''have'' always tried to play as fair as we can with Hasbro in how we operate. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:40, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::I agree, no knockoffs in our ads if we can help it.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:44, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Ditto on no knockoffs in the ads. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:59, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::ALL ABOARD THE DITTO ASTROTRAIN --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:07, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::N-O on the K-Os. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:12, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::Yeah, if TFSource can give us ad without IP infringing product, I say let em in. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:17, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Yikes, I'm looking at the side banner right now and it's full of IP infringing products. The one I see has Knight Morpher Commander, Crossfire Munition and Explorer and Warbot Defender. The only ACTUAL Transformers product in there is Masterpiece Ghost Starscream. I think it would be bad form to keep ads like that on the site. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:19, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Ads without IP infringing material would be fine with me. [[User:MrBlud|MrBlud]] 18:56, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Ugh. When they were allowed to buy the ad space, did they promise no knock-offs? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 23:12, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::Big NO on knockoffs, including third-party. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 01:51, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::I am cool with them buying adspace IF they only advertise official Transformers products. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:14, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::I say YES to having the Third party stuff on here. As you can see by the continuity discussion above Hasbro don't really give a damn about Transformers fiction the way we do. The third party stuff proves that those guys have passion that many in Hasbro do not. And "knock-offs" is a bit harsh, no? So in summary, screw Hasbro and yeah Fansproject! And let's be honest if the choice as to who controls Transformers came down to a two-way battle between Hasbro and TFWiki, who would you pick? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 10:44, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::Drmick, we're talking '''''IP infringement''''' here and we occasionally have actual Hasbro folks peek in here time to time. I think I speak for the others in that none of us wants them knocking on the wiki's doors with some form of a C&D or something that'll restrict us (save certain circumstances). We've probably toed a couple lines somewhere more than several times, and I for one, do NOT want our relationship with Hasbro to be messed up. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 12:22, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::What LG said. Also, we're not talking about putting Fansproject's knockoffs on the wiki itself... just adspace for sites dedicated to selling such knockoffs. And I'm giving that idea a big fat ''hell no''. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:49, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::No doubt the only reason the ad is still up is because Walky's on the road. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:38, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::What ad are you guys seeing? All I see is a Project Wonderful sidebar ad (current bidder is Unreal Books) and reprolabels permanent banner up top. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:55, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::I'm seeing a TFSource ad ABSOLUTELY FULL of pics of third-party stuff. And MP Ghost Starscream. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 02:57, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::Yeah, for some reason I'm not seeing any of that. I just see two Project Wonderful ads on the left hand side "Advertisement" sidebar, so TF Source's ad must be triggered by IP address or something. Also, if the ad is already up after only one day (or less) of community consultation, and Walky's not around to deal with administration problems relating to it (especially as there is a fear of how TF Source's wares would look to Hasbro), then that's poor planning on his part, (no offense intended, boss.) --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:02, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::Weird, it's gone for me, now. Where it was I have a Project Wonderful ad displaying Akemi's Anime World. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:11, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::Still there for me. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:36, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::Just tried it on another browser that I never use (in case there's some cache thing on the main browser - no change, I don't see the TF Source banner. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::Project Wonderful ads are localized, guys. TFSource probably just shelled out the dough for their ad in the States only. I've never seen it up, myself. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:34, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::::I'm in ''Poland'', Detour. That's on an entirely different ''continent'' than the US. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:37, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::::I'm in Canada, and I have seen it. I just don't see it anymore. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:44, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::::Wait, you're Polish? I had no idea. You talk gooder English than me. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:39, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::::: The advert's currently only displaying in Europe. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:26, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::::::: No wonder, all I see are just two Project Wonderful random ads. And I'm in Taiwan. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 05:52, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

TFsource said they were willing to give us a banner that has no third-party stuff on it! Hooray! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:01, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:Oh yeh, that sounds nice to me. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 08:09, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::And it should be noted that during the time we were displaying the "offending" ad, we had not yet agreed to have an adspace bought out by TFSource. They'd just bought the ad the normal way, and as they'd been a prior bidder, they were pre-approved.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:13, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Excellent - my apologies, Walky. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:00, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
That sidebar ad with the knock-off Swindle, Springer, and HoS Optimus has started showing up for me again, in Canada if that's relevant. It had stopped showing up less than a day after I first saw it, but now it's there again. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 23:46, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

:Another Canadian here. Same situation as Cattleprod. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:58, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

::Me too, same ad as before, knockoffs and all. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:12, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Yep, knock-off ad here too. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:44, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

::::On the Project Wonderful site, both the Canadian and EU traffic are seeing the version of the banner with the Munitioner upgrade sets, Knight Morpher Commander and Warbot Defender. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:24, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Now I see THE ad, too. (Taiwan, Asia) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:40, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

Welp, Californian and now I'm seeing the Munitioner set, alongside Knight Morpher and Warbot Defender with MP Ghost Starscream. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:26, 14 July 2010 (EDT)
:I'm in Ohio and getting Naruto vol. 48 as the ad. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 02:45, 14 July 2010 (EDT)

::TFSource's knockoffs ad is back for Canadian and European visitors. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:59, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Seeing all sorts of KOs advertised now. Can we void their contract and keep their money as a fine for breaking their agreement with us? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:02, 15 July 2010 (EDT)PS- since when is NC in Europe/Canada?

:::Welp, [http://img535.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead01.jpg/ this] [http://img693.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead02.jpg/ I certainly] [http://img14.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead03.jpg/ agree]. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:05, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Same here, and I'm American. I'm only sort of mentioning this because they let someone steal my credit card. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 22:50, 17 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::As mentioned, we haven't actually committed to any deal yet with them, and any ads you see are them going through the standard Project Wonderful process. They've bought ads with us before, and thus as long as they have the high bid, they're pre-approved. They're going to have the proposed first-party-products-only ad to submit to Walky sometime next week.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:11, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

====Guys====
There is no "contract" to "void." Their permanent ad buy hasn't STARTED. They've been advertising with those particular ads for months. You've just finally noticed them because I brought them up. We haven't even discussed what the ad space will cost them since I've been busy and they said they won't have a new ad for us for about a week anyway. So, like, chill out. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:31, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

:For months? Huh... --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 17:21, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

====And it's done====
TFsource owns our skyscraper until whenever they don't want to anymore. It's all official stuff, so everyone happy? (Yay!) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
:Can we please somehow code it to say "This ad comes with a 100% chance of not causing us headaches" beneath the ad? (Nah, not really.)
:Also, I'm happy. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:29, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

:Looks awesome! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:29, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
:That looks great! Nice and slick-looking. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:55, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Simon Furman's IDW pitch ==

So here's a thing. The following text is Simon Furman's original pitch for Transformers comics when IDW took up the license, printed in the back of the "Best of Simon Furman" hardback collection. I skimmed this a few years back when the book was released and it passed under my nose at work, but since then, we've never had any of the info on the wiki, and I've never seen any discussion of it on any forums - presumably because none of us actually BOUGHT the dang thing, since we own all these stories in multiple formats already. I borrowed the book and transcribed the pitch so that anyone interested can read it, and we can maybe actually do something with the info. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:01, 8 July 2010 (EDT)
:Hmm. I've never seen this before. It's pretty interesting that Furman was itching to do Cybertron , which is weird, because by the time IDW was announced as the new comic licensee, Cybertron had started. Would take awhile to get a Cybertron comic up and running, I would think. By the time it came out, it might be already too late. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:58, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
::It wouldn't surprise me if that's why it was modified so much. But, um, should we be duplicating this sort of material here? I mean, sure, The Best of Simon Furman wasn't the most popular book, but isn't this just copyright infringement? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 03:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, that was on my mind as I was transcribing it. I don't really intend to permanently house this anywhere - I just wanted to get it up so people could get a look, take in the info, maybe do something wiki-related with it, then I'd scrub it. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

TRANSFORMERS… A NEW DIRECTION

A Proposal For IDW

--Simon Furman--

In the (Armada/Energon) Cybertron timeline…

…UNICRON IS DESTROYED, utterly wiped out of existence by a seismic shock warhead detonated deep within its superstructure (events which would be visited retroactively in any subsequent ‘Energon’ conclusion issues).

But as one threat to Cybertron ends, another has only just begun. A rift in time and space – a massive ‘chronal’ black hole formed by the annihilation of Unicron – is threatening to suck Cybertron in, tear it apart in an internal maelstrom of deconstructed space and time. Only by anchoring the planet, via a spacebridge, to Earth’s energon core can Cybertron maintain its tenuous position, but it’s at best a quick fix. To seal the rift, they need the power of PRIMUS, the progenitor of the entire TRANSFORMERS race. But while a fragment of the dormant Primus lifeforce exists within Cybertron, the rest is lost, scattered throughout the universe, buried deep within strange, alien worlds.

Roused (from eons of chronal stasis in a dimension outside of normal space and time) by the impending cataclysm, the immortal sentinel known as Vector Prime spearheads the search for the Primus lifeforce, guiding Optimus Prime and his Autobots on a quest that will take them to aliens worlds in the farthest corners of the galaxy and beyond. But where Prime and the Autobots go… Megatron and the Decepticons are never far behind.

Clad in the armor of Unicron, fuelled by a fragment of his Spark, Megatron has become a true agent of chaos. He’s prepared to sacrifice Cybertron, Earth and any other world in order to contain and absorb the lifeforce of Primus himself, his ultimate aim to transform himself… into a living god!

And the ‘Cybertron’ timeline is not the only one to feel the effects of the destruction of Unicron. In fact… it’s one of the lucky ones.

<<In all the disparate timelines, all the myriad dimensions, there is but one Unicron. Though physical presence is limited to a single reality at any given time, it exists simultaneously in countless dimensions, shadows of its vast, ancient consciousness inextricably interwoven into the complex geometry of time and space. Its destruction in the Cybertron timeline creates ripples, which become shockwaves, which gather force, become a tidal wave of destruction. In some realities, the effect of the ‘chaos wave’ is total, instantaneous, entire timelines… wiped out. In others, the initial effect is less pronounced, a dramatic event heralding a slow descent into space/time anarchy.>>

In the G1 timeline…

…CYBERTRON IS DESTROYED! The resident Autobots and Decepticons barely have time to evacuate the planet, to eject the core of the planet and it’s precious Vector Sigma cargo (an eventuality made feasible way back when [in The War Within v3]) before the planet is torn apart, smashed into component molecules by the roiling chaos wave. Many Cybertronians don’t make it at all, and are simply wiped out. In a shockingly short time, Cybertron is gone. Forever.

Shocked, stunned, bereft of their homeworld, the remaining populous finds itself spread far and wide throughout the galaxy, seeking (in the Autobots’ case) safe harbor or (in the Decepticons’ case) new worlds to conquer… and colonise. Megatron’s Decepticons have perfecting ‘mechaforming’ technology, invasive, self-replicating machinery designed to restructure the entire geological substructure of a planet, in effect turn it into a new Cybertron. And since the Decepticons are indifferent to the presence or fate of any indigenous civilizations on the planet(s) of choice, it’s down to the Autobots to stop them… at any cost.

Earth, always a pivotal world in the G1 timeline, becomes even more of a focal battleground. Its natural resources are a potent brew that – with the right exploitation and manipulation – can be turned into energon, the lifeblood of the Transformer race. In Decepticon hands the whole world would be turned into a vast refinery, bled dry to fuel the creation of the ‘new’ Cybertron.

And Optimus Prime has an even more pressing concern. Contacted by Vector Prime (who can move within all remaining TF timelines), he is warned that the omniversal geometry is critically out of alignment. The removal of – for want of a better word – ‘evil’ has disturbed an age-old natural balance. Though it goes against every Autobot credo, they must somehow resurrect the dark force known, among other things, as Unicron! The key is the so-called ‘Decepticon Matrix’, a quasi-mythical power source spread throughout the galaxy. Said to be fragments of Unicron itself, released in some apocalyptic confrontation with Primus before the dawn of time, its retrieval and coalescence could restore the balance and dissipate the chaos wave.

Reluctantly, with grave reservations (and considerable dissent in the Autobot ranks) Prime forges an uneasy alliance with two of Unicron’s heralds, Cylonus and Scourge, both of whom are dedicated to the rebirth of their master (for different reasons). But, unknown to Prime, they have a secondary agenda, a plan to use a fragment of the Decepticon Matrix to destroy Megatron… and recreate him as the unstoppable force known as Galvatron!

<<And so, in one timeline, the Autobots seek to make Primus whole once more, while in another, they seek to resurrect the spirit of Unicron, leading ultimately to the new, universe-shaking confrontation between the two ancient forces… one that will (briefly) unite all remaining TRANSFORMERS timelines and continuities in an epic battle for survival.>>

CYBERTRON #0 (AND ONGOING)/G1 #0 (AND ONGOING)

Amidst the larger framework of the ‘chaos wave’ saga, the ongoing thrust of Cybertron is a focused series of one or two-part (largely self-contained, featuring different character assortments) adventures set on Cybertron, Earth and the key planets (Speed, Beast and Giant) that support its core quest… the search for the lifeforce of Primus. At every turn, the Autobots are confounded and frustrated by the Decepticons, but in the process forge new alliances and friendships, both on Earth and beyond. It’s a race against time… with the fate of Cybertron (and more) hanging in the balance.

The G1 title expands the scope and reach of the line, exploring wider character/conflict story arcs (while pulling in much more fan-friendly past and future continuity) and dramatically shaking the whole TRANSFORMERS mythos to its core, streamlining and redefining the sometimes confusing mass of ‘alternate’ timelines. But as with Cybertron, the focus will shift to different groups of Autobots/Decepticons on different worlds, faced with differing agendas and challenges.

The issue #0s will be mirror-images of each other, both told from the perspective of Vector Prime as he awakens to an omniverse in chaos, threatened on all fronts. His narrative will serve to encapsulate what has gone before while his actions introduce the primary cast and lay the groundwork for what is to come.

===Noticed something===

{{quote|both told from the perspective of Vector Prime as he awakens to an '''omniverse''' in chaos}}

Some use of the word [[omniverse]]. Wow. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:16, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

===Added it in somewheres===
I've added references to that thing at [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] and [[Cybertron (franchise)]]. Did I do it right? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 17:21, 19 July 2010 (EDT)

== Usernames ==

Our latest user [[User:Michaelbayblows|Michaelbayblows]] has what I consider to be a somewhat inflammatory username considering the how many arguments ensue regarding the live-action movies. It's probable that you would have difficulty registering on a forum with such a username. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:56, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:I was thinking the same thing. We blocked some guy from registering such a name referencing Detour, why should we allow such statements against Bay? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:09, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::Yeah, I also thought his name was inappropriate. I don't think personal threats would be acceptable here, particularly about such a controversial figure in Transformers fandom. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:10, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::On Wookieepedia we routinely block people for having inappropriate names. I see no reason why we shouldn't have a similar policy here. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:19, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::How he creates a new account and the old one is blocked? Some of his edits aren't too bad; I don't see why he shouldn't get a second chance. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:21, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Block the old account, post a nice note explaining that we want him to stay and continue working but that he cannot use a name that is attacking/insulting any person. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:32, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::I am in support of this, but he should be informed via his talkpage for one full day prior to the block, for the sake of not being too harsh. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:04, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::I fully agree with Detour. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 18:18, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::Now we just need to find an actual admin. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:12, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::And set the thing right. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:47, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::Well, he ignored Abates. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:52, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::I was [[User:Michaelbayblows|Michaelbayblows]] but then I kinda stop using it because some mind find it offensive. So I am sorry for my inflammatory username. --[[User:HeyTFWiki|HeyTFWiki]] 05:17, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Official sources policy ==

Recently, some of us have been explaining to a user why video from a cellphone camera of the movie set cannot be taken as official sources. I was going to link to the official sources page when I realized that I do not know what it's called and cannot find it. Which brings me to this point: we actually took the time to write out and codify our what we consider to be official sources, right? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:22, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
:It's at [[Help:Official info]]. And next time, somebody should probably just place the <nowiki>{{scoop bastard}}</nowiki> template. (I was going to but couldn't find a good chance.) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

== Disgusting ad ==
Sorry if I'm posting this at the wrong place, but is there anywhere we can complain about the ads on the wiki? Not to overstep my (very modest) bounds here or anything, but that ad with the GIANT PIMPLE on the back of the guy's neck is really off-putting... You've probably all seen it by now right? I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks this... Call me squeamish if you will, but it's really bothering me... --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:40, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:I'm with this 100%. I'm so glad I haven't eaten a thing all day, because I'd have lost my breakfast and my lunch by now. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:49, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::I wouldn't mind so much if it would only pop up occassionally (then again, my gross tolerance is relatively high). But to be confronted with the world's largest zit every page I go on this wiki... Rather not. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:55, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I checked the PW sites - must have been outbid so I missed it. What the heck was it for? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:37, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::::It was for a website ''about the world's largest pimple!'' It was [http://www.worldslargestzit.net this] I believe. SO not missing that ad. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:19, 16 July 2010 (EDT)

==Disamb template on calendar pages?==
So while fiddling around with the latest additions to our "day in history" pages, I got to thinking. Separating bullets with a blank line adds to our pages' sizes because that adds a "list start/stop" in the coding, yes? 
Well... does the <nowiki>{{disamb}}</nowiki> Template do that when we split that up with a blank line between them? The only real difference we ''see'' on the page is a "—" instead of a ":" after the bolded year. I fiddled with it a bit (without saving) and it looks good to me; I'll probably do up a Sandbox. If using this template doesn't add to the page size in the back-end that we don't see in the normal edit window... it sure would make it easier to read in said edit window, plus give the lists that litlte extra space between lines for readability on the normal pages. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:45, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yes, putting spaces between {{tl|disamb}} also causes the problem whereby each item is in its own list. We can space out the more compact lists on the normal pages using css, but I don't think there's any way to space them out on the edit window due to the way MediaWiki parses stuff. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:43, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
::Well, that's goddamn irksome. It's too easy to get lost in a mass of unbroken text in the edit window. but if we can add jsut a little space between items in the final result, I'll be happy. Though this does beg the question of whether we should move over to using the disamb template anyway for calendars. Probably ought to be going over our disambiguation pages and bringing them up to code anyway (well, where dates are applicable). At the very least, I'm liking the use of em-dashes instead of colons. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:23, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

==TF Wiki Firefox Search Engine Add-On==
I'm surprised that one wasn't created a long time ago. It would make things incredibly convenient, and it can't be that hard to make. Anyone else like the idea? Anyone here have experience?
--[[User:Devastator|Devastator]] 15:27, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:Please elaborate. What function exactly would such an add-on serve? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:32, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
::None. You can add the wiki to the search engines list without messing with addons. Just go to a page on the wiki, and click on the down arrow in Firefox's search box. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:38, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Wow, I must be blind. Thanks guys. There should be something on the home page encouraging visitors to do just that. Might help with traffic. --[[User:Devastator|Devastator]] 15:50, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

== In regards to expo 86. ==

Hey, Editor from Seibertron.com here. The front page list a request about "Information on the Transformers presentation at Vancouver's Expo '86".

I was about 11 then but I spent a lot of time at Expo during that summer. I don't remember any presentations per say, but I do remember that Hasbro (or at least Hasbro Canada) did have a presence. Namely they had 3-4 outdoor kiosks located around the fair, these were freestanding units with each one branded with one of four Hasbro properties, I clearly remember one being for Transformers and another for My Little Pony, the other(s) escape me at the moment but I am fairly certain that GIJoe wasn't there, and one could have been a generic Hasbro one. Additionally, one proper store was set up more for kids goods in the Red Zone near the Land Plaza and UFOH2O, that stocked the same items.

Due to the size of the units a good amount of available items were blister packs mainly Scamble City units. Boxed TF's were available but in smaller amounts (For some reason I want to say a good number of Wreck-gars and Gnaws were there) Sadly due to the location everything was more expensive than they could be found for at local stores. What was cool is that each of the kiosks regardless of how they were branded had a bit of everything, and they occasionally had loose pieces on hand. (I do remember playing with a Swindle at the actual TF Kiosk.

Don't know if that really helps but hopefully it did. Feel free to contact me thru Seibs if you have any questions.

:Hmm, that's interesting, though, it being your memories from about 24 years ago, I'm not sure how "article information"-worthy it is. Would you happen to have any photos taken of the event? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:25, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

::Not in my personal collection, but since writing the above I have been looking thru some online records of the fair to see if I can spot those kiosks. If I remember correctly where a couple were I might be able locate some. If I can find them I'll post here.

:::In our anon's defense, I offer the following taken from a story titled "Expo '86 a hit at luring firms through turnstiles" written by Jennifer Hunter, and published in the May 1st, 1986 edition of ''The Globe and Post'':
::::Expo is offering corporate exclusivity; there was already a soft-drink manufacturer, a car maker and a bank, but no toy company. Hasbro - with 1985 sales of $1.2-billion (U.S.) and profit of $99-million - is one of the largest toy manufacturers in North America and seemed a likely candidate to fork over dollars for a world's fair.

::::Mr. Hassenfeld and his brother Stephan could not resist the Expo slogan - Invite the World. A global showcase for Hasbro toys was too good an offer to turn down. So the Hassenfeld brothers delivered a cheque for $2-million (Canadian) to sponsor the Expo Centre geodesic dome. In return, Hasbro toys will be sold on the fair site.

::::"Bringing the name Hasbro before the public is the major reason we are participating," Mr. Hassenfeld said.

:::So it looks like his memories are probably accurate. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:22, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Hopefully '''''whomever asked for this information in the first place''''' will pop in and comment. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:53, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Titan Magazines ==

Is there a reason why none of the Titan Movie comics pages have Featured Character boxes? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:47, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

:It is highly possible that the pages (or at least the sections) are still under working. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:52, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

::They seem pretty complete other than the featured character lists. Not sure what's up with that! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:26, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

:::*makes note to add Featured Character boxes to as many Titan Movie comics pages as possible sometime in the near future* --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:53, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

== No Hasbro Q and A? ==

Just wondering: Are we not participating in the Hasbro QandA's any more? We apparently didn't submit anything to the last one (along with a lot of other places weirdly, did Hasbro trim the list of who could ask or something?). Anyway, according to the Allspark the next set of questions are due Aug 9th, just wanted to see if anyone knew what was up? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:30, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
: We didn't send in questions because they were due during BotCon and we messed up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:24, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
::Well it's kinda understandable. We were hardly the only ones to miss it, given the slim list of sites with questions for July. Anyway, we'll have question solicitation for August open soon then? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:45, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== An article on racing ==

Not sure if this is exactly the right place to ask this, but...

Would an article on [[racing]] be appropriate for the wiki? Races do seem to crop up a lot in TF fiction. Off the top of my head, I can think of the [[Trans-Europe Express]] (G1), the race series where [[Road King]] was found (Masterforce), the nutty race where everyone tried to lure out [[Skid-Z (RID)|Skid-Z]] (RID), the one the Autobots had after Inferno died (Energon), [[Velocitron]]'s entire culture (Cybertron), and [[Street Demon]] (Animated).

Aye or nay? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 13:23, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
: If there's enough races, perhaps a category would suffice? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:34, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
::Might I suggest [[Cybertronian_sport#Races|here]] as a starting point.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:37, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Didn't know about that page. Yeah, that's more appropriate. --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 17:52, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

== Fan translated manga images. ==

I noticed quite a few images of manga that have fan translations in the word bubbles. It the wiki cool with that? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:55, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:Well, I for one don't mind, because it lets me understand what's going on... it's official media, just translated by fans. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 18:58, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
::If the person uploading it can vouch for the accuracy of the translation, then I have no problem with it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:04, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

== Movie 1 characters vs drones ==

Am I alone in thinking maybe we should split up pages like [[Longarm (Movie)]] and [[Swindle (Movie)]] into pages that cover the individual characters and the drones in their likeness separately? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:56, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

:I'd agree with that. I thought we had already done that for some of them. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:36, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

:::I agree with the splitting if possible. Since individual characters are much different from drones. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 02:20, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Split 'em. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:33, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== Reissues and rereleases ==

Which reissues deserve to be listed separately from their original release? For some reason, reissues of G1 toys have been listed separately on some pages but not on others. I think [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]'s toy page mentions aimsing to list all reissues separately. The 2010 [[Piranacon]] reissue is listed separately, but not the 2010 [[Predaking]]. Also, the toys rereleased in [[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]] are listed separately on the character pages even though they're ''completely'' unchanged, unlike some reissues of G1 figures. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:35, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
:I think part of that is simply older pages not having been updated since the decision was made to separate reissues (At least I'm pretty sure we are aiming to keep them separate). Newer reissues, like the Predaking, have probably been handled in the way the poster in question had seen such things done on other pages, leading to continuing inconsistency. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:58, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
::So, the current standard is to list releases separately? Is that on any help or policy page? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:12, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

== Wikia ==

Thank god we jumped ship when we did, because Wikia is planning on switching to a new skin.

[http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/Your_First_Look_at_the_New_Wikia Preview]

--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:43, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

:They must have switched already? Because every single Wikia site is completely effed up in IE7 now. --[[User:Salt-Man Z|Salt-Man Z]] 18:37, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::No, they haven't. They're having technical problems with the server they use for css and images. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:12, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

== Explicitly Saying Characters Are Similar To Earlier Characters Of Same Name ==

On the [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] talk page, [[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] is saying that characters that are homages to earlier characters of the same name need to have this pointed out, in something like the form "Blackarachnia (Animated) is based on the original Blackarachnia (BW), who first appeared in the Beast Wars franchise."
* Is this a good idea, as it will help people who are new to Transformers learn about the history of the brand?
* Is it unnecessary to point out that characters are similar to earlier characters of the same name, since it's very common, and would involve altering lots of pages?
* Other?
[[User:JW|JW]] 19:18, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
:Blackarachnia (Animated) has a lot of similarities and also a lot of differences with Blackarachnia (BW). I don't think I'd go so far as to say she was "based on" Blackarachnia (BW). Swindle (Animated), on the other hand, is a direct transplant of Swindle (G1). - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:47, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

::It may seem like a total DUH kind of thing to all the long-time TF fans who inhabit this place, but for our readers, such information seems totally relevant and useful. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:05, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::There's a friggin' disambig right up top in a separated box for... all the charcaters who have the same name! Wow! And we're talking about hundreds upon hundreds of pages where we'd have to do this. It's not quite "This is a picture of Megatron" level DUH, but it's in the ballpark. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:53, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
:::I honestly don't understand what the disambigs have to do with this. The only information they are there to convey is "there are other characters with this name, go to this separate page for a list." They don't in any way tell you "this character who's article you're reading now was based on this other one." Especially since many characters who share the name don't actually have any other relationship to each other. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:15, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Characters with the same name as each other within the same brand are expected to be similar (if not identical) to each other, with older ones serving as inspiration for later ones. If characters of the same name are not similar would seem to be more notable than if they are similar. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:09, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::The Prowls, Scavengers, Razorclaws, and Bonecrushers tend to have very little to do with one another. Note that the main page for the Animated franchise points out that so many of the characters are clear homages to their earlier-series namesakes too. Since it has been over 10 years since the first Blackarachnia did anything, I don't see the harm in putting a one-liner at the top of BA-Animated's "Notes" section saying she's totally based on the first one. Kil is right--it wouldn't be "just so obvious" to a 14-year-old who was brought in by the movies and Animated. To a newcomer, why would it be especially obvious that Animated Ironhide and Blitzwing are based on namesakes from Cold War-era cartoons they never saw? Where's the harm in just one line? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:29, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::I have to agree that it's not going to be obvious to someone coming in from the Movie or Animated, or even the Unicron Trilogy that many of the homages are homages. Especially Ratchet, given the drastically different color scheme Movie Ratchet (Rescue Ratchet toys notwithstanding) has compared to the others. I admit, it might seem a litte weird to make what seems to us to be such an obvious note on so many pages but if our goal is to make this Wiki accessible and informative to fans of all levels then I think it's necessary to do so.
::::::And for BA's case, I think it additionally warrants mentioning Binaltech Blackwidow as a direct inspiration. Because even though most of the design cues come originally from her first and TM2 incarnations, I don't think you get to Animated BA with the combination of attributes (and the black gloves) without going through the Binaltech version first. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:06, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::I feel it's necessary to point out that a newcomer is probably not going to get to the [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] page without passing through [[Blackarachnia (disambiguation)]] first. So, they're gonna be made aware of the Beast Wars character. (Sure, they might get there through other means, but it's not the most likely route.)
::::::However, if the consensus is leaning toward allowing notes of the form "Foo is based on Foo of same name," how do we decide which characters need it? Just from Animated, here's all the characters who visually homage previous characters of the same name: Arcee, Big Bang Prime, Blackarachnia, Blackout, Blitzwing, Blurr, Botanica, Brawn, Bumblebee, Bumper, Cliffjumper, Cosmos, Cyclonus, Dai Atlas, Devcon, Flip Sides, Grimlock, Highbrow, Hot Shot, Hot Spot Major, Impactor Major, Ironhide, Jazz, Laserbeak, Longrack Major, Mainframe, Mixmaster, Octus, Omega Supreme, Omega SPREEM, Optimus Prime, Perceptor, Powerglide, Primal Major, Railspike Major, Ratbat, Ratchet, Reflector, Rodimus Prime, Rosanna, Seaspray, Silverbolt Major, Sky-Byte, Soundwave, Spittor, Springer, Starscream (Thundercracker, Skywarp, Ramjet, Dirge, Thrust, Sunstorm), Steeljaw, Straxus, Strika, Swindle, Swoop, Tracks, Warpath, Wheeljack, Zaur. (I left out the Witwickys and some of the Bumblebee-clones.) Do we add that note to ''all'' of them? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:49, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
In the absence of any strong support either way on this issue, I'm going to assume our current implicit policy holds: When a new character is based on an old character of the same name, explictly pointing it out is neither required nor prohibited. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:14, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

== Continuity note ==

Which articles don't need one. [[Vector Prime]] doesn't but [[Nexus Prime]] and [[Alpha Trion (Prime)]] ''do''. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:42, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:...what? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:32, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::He means as multiversal singularities the One, Primus, Unicron, Prima, Fallen and Vector don't have continuity notes at the top indicating which franchise they're from. Nexus is just an interesting case, and frankly all the Alpha Trions should be merged. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:43, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::: So, any of 'em need removing? (Also, when did I ever admitmy gender either way?) [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:11, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::::How about we wait until we have more information before dealing with any of this? I swear. We know so very little about how this new continuity family works with (or doesn't) what's come before, and sweeping changes like merging Alpha Trions may end up being messily reverted. How about we hold the hell off until we learn more. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:21, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::::What about [[Nexus Prime]]'s article? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:31, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::What's '''wrong''' with it? Seriously? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:37, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:I'm asking about the need for a continuity identifier,which, as pointed out above is absent in some [[multiversal singularity|similar]] articles. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:18, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:: Those guys aren't made out of other guys. I am wondering very hard why this is an issue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:37, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::: I just want to know how things are supposed to be done so I could do said things properly. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:46, 28 August 2010 (EDT)

== Malware warning ==

I just got a malware warning when I tried to load the page, seemingly resulting from the css file included from [[User:Derik|Derik]]'s site emopanda. I'm taking the call to that script out of common.css until we can get it sorted. Most of the css is also in a local file that's already being included anyway, so hopefully nothing should break. The malware warning refers me to [http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http://emopanda.com/&client=googlechrome&hl=en-US this page]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:15, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

== Some Wikipedia user ==

From [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NotARealWord&oldid=381724818 my Wikipedia talk page]
{{note|Yes, I have different usernames on different wikis.}}

{{quote|I take it you don't know the TFWiki very well. It's server is run by [[David Willis|a guy]] who blocked Wikipedia Transformers editors from it He has publically stated that he started that server to have a place away from Wikipedia to make his articles. Anyone who edits in a proper Wikipedia style with limiting things to notable topics with reliable sources (which is me, by his standards) gets reverted and blocked|
User:Mathewignash|
}}

Okay, User:Mathewignash seems to be responsible for a lot of the TF fancruft on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Transformers Wikipedia]. Also has been trying to "save" articles nominated for deletion due to lack of notability. Makes me wonder:
* Is this person somebody the admins here are familiar with?
* How do I respond to that statement against TFWiki? Considering I was pretty welcomed here when I started. Should I point out the users who regularly use ''both'' sites?
* Is there some small corner of the [[fandom]] that likes buttloads of fancruft-y TF articles, but have something against using TFWiki?
* Is this person anything to do with the people asking TFWiki to be more like [[Wikipedia]], despite how its rules are '''very''' unsuitable for a TF-specific wiki? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:52, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:[[User:Primal Rage]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:53, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:Oh yes, the community here is very familiar with Mr. Ignash. He and Walky have a long history of feuding. Walky has stated that he came here to escape Ignash in particular, not wikipedia editors in general. In the few times I've run across Ignash he seems rather jerky, virtually everyone here seems welcoming to me. Don't know about point three. Not sure if Ignash has connections to any of the various people who don't like the wiki's tone, but your point about wikipedia being a bad model for a TF specific site is a good one. While we do strive for proper citations here, "notability" is not a valid criterion for this site. Few TF characters/concepts are truly notable in a real world sense. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:56, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::Thank you, I try to treat wikis differently since they have different purposes. What about the questions in bullet-point number two? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:01, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Your suggestion of mentioning people on both sites is a good idea, I edit on wikipedia under the same alias but much less frequently and even less substantially. Don't know about anyone else. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:07, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::I do. Rarely and with a different name, but I do. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:13, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Ignash is not worth responding to. Let him play in his turd-filled sandbox. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:21, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::Correction. Nobody who thinks that Wikipedia is better than TFWiki is worth responding to. I have learned this the hard way. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:31, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::::What about that bit about a small corner of the fandom? User:Dream Focus seems to also fit that description. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:43, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::Yes, there is a small corner of the fandom that likes the Wikipedia-style TF articles. However, I would like to know is where the hell you are getting this stuff about Dream Focus fitting that description. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:47, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::::::To Item42, read the archives on Matthewignash's user talk page at wikipedia. The man can't even follow the rules that he exhorts as superior to ours. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:49, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::::Please, do point the above out to him. I'd do it myself but they blocked my IP because I decided that Wikipedia was a piece of crap and went on a massive, 40-account vandalism rampage. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:04, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::From what I can tell, Dream Focus is just against deletion of Wikipedia articles under non-notability, and may not be active in Transformers fandom. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:20, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:The issue, simply, is not with "other Wikipedia users" - it is with Ignash himself. There is a ''reason'' the Transformers articles on Wikipedia are such a jumbled mess of copy-pasted partially-overly-detailed summaries, gross generalizations and list after list of Optimus Prime's appearances in ''Family Guy'' and ''Robot Chicken'' that lack any kind of consistency between each other and he is mainly it. Nearly everyone who ever tried to edit constructively there came here because he never compromises on his stupid, stupid way of organizing an article, and we neither want nor require his presence here. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:35, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::It reminds me that I moved to Wikia (long before the Exodus) as soon as I found the TFwiki, and soon after that, I left Wikipedia(TF-related) as soon as I found TFwiki has more strict rules than Wikipedia does in some way (for example, we won't see any leak or unofficial information in TFwiki). (And yes, I can't stand some users on Wikipedia.) Plus, I feel Wikipedia is more harsh on fictional-related articles sometimes. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 03:41, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Once again, correction. It doesn't really matter what the subject is, it just matters if someone has an axe to grind and if there's an admin who is willing to completely ignore common sense so that the people holding the axes can come out on top. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:19, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

::::Well, now it looks like Ignash can't always [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Transformers/Proposed_centralized_transformers_discussion come out on top]. Seems mostly him and Dream Focus trying to stop the article deletions. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:15, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

I think most of us at some point or other already came to the conclusion that Wikipedia was never going to have in-depth Transformers coverage. I'm pretty at-peace with that, because it was never realistic to think that they'd ever do it in the granularity that a dedicated wiki like this place can afford to do. Ignash came over here at one point, and I more or less went to bat for him, which I realize in retrospect was a mistake. The guy's very set in his ways, and he's poison to collaborative projects.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:37, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

:A general purpose encyclopedia (Wikipedia) cannot and should not have the same depth of coverage as dedicated references (tfwiki). Just as you wouldn't expect articles on every minor Shakespearean character on Wikipedia, you shouldn't expect every minor TF to have an article there. As far as going to bat for Ignash, I actually agreed with you standing up for him. Everyone deserves a chance to contribute. The problem was that he didn't want to contribute and collaborate and work within the guidelines here, because of that he is banned. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:42, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

::[[Wikipedia]] has just '''way''' too much TF fancruft. The big-time deletion "campaign" going on right now should be able to fix ''some'' of that. Hopefully. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:12, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

:::Dream Focus [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dream_Focus is on Wikia]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:19, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

===Wikipedia's TF Project===
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject Transformers|Wikipedia:WikiProject Transformers]] 666 articles. Heh [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:26, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

== Dimension-hopping ==

Should that get an article? The "Fiction" sections on [[continuity]] and [[multiverse]] seem mainly about that. Comparing those sections, it seems they're somewhat... redundant. Maybe a separate article about dimension-hopping would be better. Maybe the article should also cover characters moving within the same [[continuity family]]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:34, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
:The "multiverse" really only appears in fiction when dimension-hopping is involved, so that's why the fiction section is all about dimension hopping. "Continuity" probably doesn't need a fiction section since it is pretty much a wiki thing explaining how the wiki is organized. You are right that we should talk about dimension-hopping in the same continuity. There is a mini-multiverse in the G1 cartoon episode [[Madman's Paradise]] that should be commented on. How does [[Menonia]] relate to the [[multiverse]]? That's a good question. I think that can be explored on the "multiverse" page though. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:53, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
::Would it be okay if I (or anybody else) removes the "fiction" section of "[[continuity]]" and puts up that information in "[[multiverse]]"? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:52, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== User admonition templates ==

Is there a list of the various templates that can be placed on a user page to give them advice (editing tips, spelling, no scoops, no fanon, etc)? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:27, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
:[[:Category:User notice templates]]. There are some in there that rarely get used! --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:32, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
::Thanks, NCZ. I could not remember the "correct english" one and couldn't find a page that had one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:58, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

== Categories ==

Can anyone explain to me why categories that apply to specific toys are put on the general article for the character that toy represents and not on the image of the particular toy? Why not put the category tags on the picture's own page? For example, [[Starscream (Movie)]] is not actually a Kmart exclusive, the Nebular Starscream toy is. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:33, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== Links that overexplain jokes ==

I got reverted on [[Soundwave (ROTF)]] because apparently, adding links to explain captions ruins them. (I didn't remove or change the joke, just added the links. )Should that be on the official caption policy? . Although, I'm rather concerned that more casual readers might not understand references (like "[[JaAm|hump that tank]]" for example), and I don't intend to confuse people. So really, is it so bad to explain jokes (through wikilinks) for the sake of people with little TF knowledge? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 20:08, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:Well, y'know what they say - "If you have to ''explain'' a joke, there ''is'' no joke." Personally, I've always loathed joke-explaining word-linking, especially when it's to something off-site. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:30, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::Personally, I think that adding those links introduce casual wiki-readers to more TF stuff, and that content should be written with more clueless readers in mind. Although, if it's just ''that bad'', maybe it should be mentioned on the policy page. It's easier to avoid doing things when you know you should. Also, what about on-site linking, like potholing "hump that tank" to [[jaAm]]? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 20:50, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
Anyway, can I (or anyone else) do at least a ''little bit'' of on-site caption linking?[[User:Item42|Item42]] 18:19, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:No. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:43, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::Then can someone please put that up on [[Transformers Wiki:Caption]] so that people can be sure that's what the community as a whole wants, and not just the two people who responded here? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:55, 14 September 2010 (EDT)

== Next Hasbro Q&A Questions due Mon! ==

According to the Allspark the next round of Hasbro Q&A questions are due 1 week from today (Sept 13). I know we havn't even recieved the last set of answers back yet. But shouldn't we set up a page to take question submissions for next Mon. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:33, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

:Hey, how come we haven't gotten answers from the [[Hasbro Q&A/August 2010: Question submission|most recent one]] yet? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 17:20, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

::Because Hasbro's a busy place and they haven't had a chance to get them back to us yet. They're usually a week or two behind their estimated return date, nothing new there. This IS the first time I can recall where the next questions might be due before the last set of answers appears though. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:31, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

== RFC Wiki Spotlight ==

What-ho. If any wiki contributors happen to be listeners of [http://www.tfradio.net Radio Free Cybertron], you may have noticed that I've started doing a small spot on the show called the "Wiki Spotlight", highlighting an interesting article each week and drawing attention to it. Thus far I've just done our featured articles of the last two months, but I figured I'd open up the floor to any and all random suggestions as to what articles - big or small, well-known or obscure - deserve a mention. Speak up! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:07, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
:[[Angry Archer]] and [[Thor]]. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:48, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
::[[Sky-Byte (RID)]]! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:31, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
:::[[Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III]]! -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 19:56, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
::::[[Shockwave (G1)]] looks pretty good to me. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:38, 14 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::[[Wheelie (G1)]], [[Scale]] and [[B.O.T. (episode)]] might be fun to feature. Can I also suggest that a link to the article mentioned be placed on the tfradio.net post accompanying the podcast, because it'll be easier for the listeners. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:48, 14 September 2010 (EDT)

A while back I tried to edit the [[fandom]] page to mention the Podcasts around at the time (TFWIRE, WTF@TFW and the joke that was the Tformers podcast at that time. But TPTB wiped the whole lot! That was a pretty big "Screw you!" to the podcasts. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 15:21, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

== Toy patents ==

User: Sarujo at Wikipedia posted a list of TF related patents. I have put them in [[User: Khajidha/sandbox|my sandbox]]. I've found and corrected a few errors/misidentifications already. Is this material useful or was it all already known? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:30, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:Interesting stuff. Do you mind if I go through the unknowns and put names on the ones I can identify? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:35, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::Feel free, that's why I posted the link. I won't have time today to give it the thorough going over it deserves. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:39, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Thanks. And that, as they say, is that. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:22, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::::They still need to be resorted. Warpath wasn't a Microman mold and it would probably be useful to have the Scramble City molds separated. Beyond that, I don't know. I don't want to get it so sorted that it becomes LESS useful. If nothing else, I figured the notes about inventors/designers might be data otherwise hard to come by. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:32, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Anyone willing to go trolling through patent listings? We seem to be missing those for several members of various combiner teams. Perhaps they can be found by cross referencing those we do have? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:54, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::The designer data ALONE makes these worthwhile. That's awesome information. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:28, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I've conveyed our thanks to Sarujo over at Wikipedia. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:18, 13 September 2010 (EDT)

== Photos of toys ==
I found [[Wikipedia:Template:Non-free 3D art|this]] bit about copyright law.
*Does that mean ''every'' photo of an official TF figure needs a note like "character and toy design under copyright by [[HasTak]]"?
*Should this site also make a template like that?
*Would this be a good reason/excuse to copy photos from other fansites since ''your own photos'' (and anyone else's) would still have to go under fair use?
-[[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:47, 14 September 2010 (EDT)
: I think that specifically applies to non-US countries, particularly IIRC Germany (Nevermore, confirm/deny?). As the Wiki is hosted in the US it isn't really relevant... yet? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:56, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
::Actually, the Wikipedia template in that link says:
{{quote|This is a two-dimensional representation of a copyrighted sculpture, statue or any other three-dimensional work of art. As such it is a derivative work of art, and per [http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#106 US Copyright Act of 1976, § 106(2)] whoever holds copyright of the original has the exclusive right to authorize derivative works. 

Per [http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 § 107] it is believed that reproduction for criticism, comment, teaching and scholarship constitutes fair use and does not infringe copyright.}}
So it ''is'' US-relevant. Although, looking at the [[Wikipedia:Template talk:Non-free 3D art#totallydisputed|talk page]], it seems that said law(s) might not be something to take seriously. So, no stealing toy photos? If not, can I try to get the clearly stolen ones (like one section of [[:Image:20thAnniversary OptimusPrimesm.jpg|this]]) replaced? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:44, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:IIRC the law in question came up during (of all things) Batman Forever, when a copyrighted piece of industrial statue donated to a city as used as a shooting location in the film, got integrated into the sets, showed up on t-shirts and promotional cups, etc... the studio ended up paying millions in damages.
:Generally when I (rarely) take toy photos, I note that the '''photo''' is released to the public domain but ''Character likeness is {{c}} Hasbro 20XX'', making it clear that the ''photo'' is free, but its subject may not be. (Making a sculpture based on the photo would, obviously, present copyright issues.) Character likeness, IMO, seems like a better phrase to use than design since with multiple toys over decades, that's really what's being protected here-- not the transformation schema of mold D-22B.
:Part of what it means is that virtually '''no''' images on the wiki are eligible for "Copyleft," the status of absolute-public-domain with no entailment or restrictions. (This is not unique. A photo of your own family with a Coke ad in the background isn't eligible for Copyleft either.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:04, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::Derik, how do you release something in public domain if you can't release it under copyleft? Also, does this mean that it's okay to steal toy photos? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:04, 21 September 2010 (EDT)

== Galvatron ==
So in [http://www.asmzine.com/geekly-rewind/2010/09/14/hasbro-transformers-qa-august-2010-answers/ ASM's Q&A response], Hasbro pretty much officially says to consider Galvatron a separate character from Megatron for all practical purposes. How do we tackle this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:56, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
:I interpret it as saying that in inducting Megatron, Galvatron is not being inducted by connection, since [[Megatron (Animated)|not all Megatrons have become Galvatrons]], and some interpretations of Galvatron (like IDW) are separate from Megatron. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 07:00, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, I don't think this really changes anything about the way we've already got Galvy covered. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:14, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

== Excessive Trivia Sections ==

Ok, a few days ago I attempted to clean up some trivia sections. I realize in hindsight I was tired and being a wanker and was removing valuable information, and I apologize for that. However, I think some of our trivia could definitely stand to be integrated into the articles themselves, especially notes like "This character's Universe toy was..." or "in the Energon comic, so-and so was completely different". I would like to integrate these but I was hoping to get an opinion on this, since I went about it wrong once already. Thoughts? -- [[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 12:44, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

Wireless Automated Sales Person

2010-09-19T16:38:57Z

Rideonshootingstarxx: /* Notes */

:''A Wireless Automated Sales Person is a sentient [[hologram]] from the "[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]" [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:WASP AroundCybertron.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]
Need your latest product advertised, but just can't find a suitable celebrity willing to hawk it? Just call on a '''Wireless Automated Sales Person''' (or "'''WASP'''" for short),<ref>[http://rid-nightviper.deviantart.com/art/Around-Cybertron-6-138747992 Around Cybertron #6 comments]</ref> and "he'll" fill your commercial marketing needs. He frequently airs on spots during ABN's popular show ''[[Around Cybertron]]''.

==Fiction==
===Shattered Glass===
WASP advertised the amazing shiny cleaning powers of [[corrostop]] in a commercial during ''Around Cybertron''. {{storylink|Around Cybertron#Around Cybertron #6|Around Cybertron #6}}
{{--}}
==Toys==
[[Image:Ani-toy BumblebeeEG.jpg|thumb|300px|"In this universe, WASP is cool spokesbots! Universe love WASP!"]]
*'''Elite Guard Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right rocket boosters
{{note|Wireless Automated Sales Person was [[repurposing|repurposed]] from Elite Guard [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]].}}
: A [[redeco]] of [[Bumblebee (Animated)#Deluxe|Deluxe Bumblebee]], this figure represents Bumblebee after getting Sari to help paint him up in [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]] deco as part of his anticipated ascension into their ranks. Dare to dream! He retains all the play-[[gimmick]]s of the original, though his arms have been slightly [[retool]]ed to allow the stingers to recede fully. The color scheme of the toy bears a little resemblance to [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys|Stealth Bumblebee]] from the [[Movie (toyline)|live-action movie line]].

: The [[Hasbro]] stock photography and [[package art]] for this toy [[:Image:Deluxeeliteguardbumblebee.jpg|depict "Elite Guard" Bumblebee with his normal yellow helmet]]. However, the actual toy has a black helmet due to the plastic color layouts.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/EGBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Elite Guard Bumblebee at TFU.info]''
{{--}}
==Notes==
*The goatee and the nature of how it's promoting corrostop make the WASP somewhat reminiscent of late commercial celebrity, [[wikipedia:Billy Mays|Billy Mays]].

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Drones]]
[[Category:Entertainers]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass characters]]

Wireless Automated Sales Person

2010-09-19T16:38:14Z

Rideonshootingstarxx: /* Notes */

:''A Wireless Automated Sales Person is a sentient [[hologram]] from the "[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]" [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:WASP AroundCybertron.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]
Need your latest product advertised, but just can't find a suitable celebrity willing to hawk it? Just call on a '''Wireless Automated Sales Person''' (or "'''WASP'''" for short),<ref>[http://rid-nightviper.deviantart.com/art/Around-Cybertron-6-138747992 Around Cybertron #6 comments]</ref> and "he'll" fill your commercial marketing needs. He frequently airs on spots during ABN's popular show ''[[Around Cybertron]]''.

==Fiction==
===Shattered Glass===
WASP advertised the amazing shiny cleaning powers of [[corrostop]] in a commercial during ''Around Cybertron''. {{storylink|Around Cybertron#Around Cybertron #6|Around Cybertron #6}}
{{--}}
==Toys==
[[Image:Ani-toy BumblebeeEG.jpg|thumb|300px|"In this universe, WASP is cool spokesbots! Universe love WASP!"]]
*'''Elite Guard Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right rocket boosters
{{note|Wireless Automated Sales Person was [[repurposing|repurposed]] from Elite Guard [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]].}}
: A [[redeco]] of [[Bumblebee (Animated)#Deluxe|Deluxe Bumblebee]], this figure represents Bumblebee after getting Sari to help paint him up in [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]] deco as part of his anticipated ascension into their ranks. Dare to dream! He retains all the play-[[gimmick]]s of the original, though his arms have been slightly [[retool]]ed to allow the stingers to recede fully. The color scheme of the toy bears a little resemblance to [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys|Stealth Bumblebee]] from the [[Movie (toyline)|live-action movie line]].

: The [[Hasbro]] stock photography and [[package art]] for this toy [[:Image:Deluxeeliteguardbumblebee.jpg|depict "Elite Guard" Bumblebee with his normal yellow helmet]]. However, the actual toy has a black helmet due to the plastic color layouts.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/EGBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Elite Guard Bumblebee at TFU.info]''
{{--}}
==Notes==
*The goatee and the nature of how it's promoting corrostop make the W.A.S.P. somewhat reminiscent of late commercial celebrity, [[wikipedia:Billy Mays|Billy Mays]].

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Drones]]
[[Category:Entertainers]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass characters]]

Mindset (G2)

2010-09-19T16:34:52Z

Rideonshootingstarxx: /* Notes */

{{factions|cybEmpireG2}}
:''Mindset is a second generation [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]] [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Mindsetrobot.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Shoot it, like some vast predatory bird!]]
'''Mindset''' never does anything by halves.

A commander of some unspecified rank within the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]], Mindset considers organic life to be "puddles of organic matter" incapable of creative thought. He likes to "tricurse" things and may be a [[Xal]] worshipper. Oh, and he's connected to the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]] [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] through [[Reproduction|budding]]. He gets eaten.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====''Generation 2''====
[[Image:Mindsettransform.jpg|left|300px|thumb|Got to — SPOOM!]]
A commander in charge of pacifying (i.e., obliterating) the planet [[Karn]] to draw the Autobots and Decepticons out of hiding, Mindset proceeded with his mission in a businesslike fashion, though he didn't understand why the plan would work. How could anyone attach any meaning or value to these "puddles of organic matter"? Neither did he understand why the [[Swarm (G2)|Swarm]] failed to fall before his troops' firepower. He and his [[stormtrooper (Cybertronian)|stormtroopers]] were devoured, despite his protests, and his destruction mystically gave Onslaught, light years away, sharp pains. {{storylink|Swarm (issue)|Swarm}}
{{-}}

===''TransTech''===
Mindset was one of the many "offworlder" beings attending [[Gutcruncher (G1)|Gutcruncher]]'s meeting of the numerous gangs that made up [[Axiom Nexus]]'s underworld. {{storylink|Gone Too Far}}

==Toys==
===Transformers (2010)===
* Mindset is a [[retool]]/[[redeco]] of ''Transformers'' [[Hailstorm (TF 2010)|Hailstorm]].

{{comingsoontoy}}

==Notes==
* Mindset's relationship with Onslaught is curious. Onslaught is implicitly presented as Mindset's ancestor through budding, but Onslaught was likely built on Earth in 1986. (The Combaticons appeared in the US comics without explicit explanation, but it's implied that they were produced similarly to the other combiner teams. The UK comics elaborate further, claiming the designs for all the [[Combiner|Scramble City]]-type combiners came from [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]]'s mind.) Considering this, it seems impossible for Mindset to have been created from Onslaught millions of years ago. Oops.
* Then again, in the US comics it was never stated openly or alluded to that the Combaticons were created the same way ('stealing' the Matrix's power through the cerebro-shell implanted in Optimus Prime) as the Stunticons. It is entirely possible that they came through the Space Bridge as reinforcements. Further confirming this is that Onslaught is a tactical genius with a lot of battlefield experience, something that he couldn't have gained magically in a matter of days after his creation on Earth.

==External links==
*[http://s90690880.onlinehome.us/jhiaxus/uscomics/mindset.htm Mindset on the Obscure Transformers Website]

[[Category:Comic-only characters]]
[[Category:Decepticons]]
[[Category:Generation 2 characters]]

Hot Rod (G1)/toys

2010-09-19T14:58:20Z

Rideonshootingstarxx: trivia.

{{suite}}
'''[[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]''' is a bot of many toys!

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1toy_hot_rod.jpg|right|300px|thumb|This is totally what cars will look like in the far-flung future of 2005.]]
* '''Hot Rod''' (Autobot Car, 1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-78'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 Photon Lasers

: Hot Rod transforms into a red, orange and yellow futuristic race car. He is armed with two "Photon Laser" weapons, each with their own distinct sculpt, which fit in both his fists; only one gun can be equipped in vehicle mode, in the port in his engine block. Upon his original release, Hot Rod had unpainted [[die-cast]] metal feet, while later editions of the figure used black plastic.

: Hot Rod was one of the first toys designed specifically for the ''Transformers'' toyline, as opposed to being an imported pre-existing toy. In further contrast to the common design process for ''Transformers'' toys, he (like most of the cast of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'') was created for animation first, and had his toy created based on [[Floro Dery]]'s designs (though said animation designs would be further modified after the toy was completed). Before final production, Hot Rod was originally cast in a [[:Image:Pinkrod.jpg|pinker plastic]] to match the color of his animation model (as seen in catalogs at the time, and the [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]] [[commercial]]), but oddly, he was changed to a less [[Show-accuracy|animation-accurate]] red before release. This change evidently came too late to modify the factory-applied [[sticker]]s the toy bears: the small decals on either side of Hot Rod's vehicle mode feature a pink background that would have matched the toy's original color scheme. In another, even more baffling change, an extra plastic tab was added to Hot Rod's legs before final production to keep them from fully extending and revealing his sculpted knee detail.

:Hot Rod has been retooled, reissued and redecoed several times down the years; this article strives to list each distinct edition of the figure under its own heading.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/HotRod/hotrod.htm More information on Hot Rod at TFU.info]''

{{-}}
[[Image:G1 RodimusPrime toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|As you're enjoying your retirement in 2006, tour the country in ''this!'']]
* '''Rodimus Prime''' (Autobot Hero, 1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-77'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/[[Mobile Defense Bay]], Photon Eliminator, spoiler, 2 gun shields (left & right)

: Rodimus Prime was designed in much the same way as Hot Rod, albeit with much less articulation. Rodimus transforms from a robot and [[Mobile Defense Bay]] into a futuristicky Winnebago camper. The toy comes with a "Photon eliminator" rifle and two blast shields to attach to either side of his battle platform's cannon. (The yellow spoiler was also to be removed and replaced during transformation.) Like Hot Rod, there are materials variations; initial releases have metal toes and rubber tires, while latter shipments replaced both with black plastic.

: This mold was later redecoed as a lucky draw prize [[Primus]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/RodimusPrime/rodimusprime.htm More information on Rodimus Prime at TFU.info]

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[[Image:G1 TMHotRod toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|In 2007, hood-cannons will become a standard feature.]]
* '''Hot Rod''' (Targetmaster, 1987)
**Accessories: Firebolt Targetmaster partner

: Hot Rod was re-released with his new [[Nebulos|Nebulan]] [[Targetmaster]] partner [[Firebolt]] a year after the original release. The toy was [[Retool|retooled]] to have larger pegholes in his fists and his engine block so the Targetmaster gun would fit. As the original large stickers applied to Hot Rod's thighs were frequently scraped away by the friction of moving his legs up and down during transformation, the Targetmaster version sported smaller decals that avoided this problem. Unlike the original figure, Targetmaster Hot Rod only ever featured black plastic feet.

: Not originally released in Japan, the Targetmaster version of Hot Rod was later reissued by Takara as part of their ''[[Transformers Collection]]'' series in 2004 (see below). 

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/HotRod/hotrod.htm More information on Targetmaster Hot Rod at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:G1toy_takara_2001_hotrod_reissue.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
* '''Hot Rodimus''' (2000)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-78'''
**Accessories: 2 Photon Lasers

:The original Hot Rod toy was reissued by Takara in later December 2000, as part of a small line of reissues that celebrated the fifteenth anniversary of the ''Transformers'' toyline in Japan. The figure was retro-retooled from the Targetmaster version of the toy to fill the enlarged holes back in so that they could once again snugly accommodate his Photon Lasers. This version of the figure also reinstates the die-cast metal feet of its earliest release, and finally recolors the stickers on either side of the vehicle mode so that they now feature an accurate red background to match to the rest of the figure. The toy's packaging featured a metallic golden sticker advertising the anniversary.

:This version of the Hot Rod mold was also used to create the simulatenously-available exclusives "Crystal Rodimus" (see below) and the evil clone, [[Dark Hot Rod|Black Rodimus]].

::[http://www.mykooltoyz.com/hotrodimus.html More information on reissue Hot Rodimus at MyKoolToyz.com]
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[[Image:G1toy crystal rodimus.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Crystal Rodimus''' (Autobot Car, 2001)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-78C'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 Photon Lasers

: One of the earliest [[e-Hobby]] exclusives, "Crystal Rodimus" uses the reissue Hot Rod mold, but cast almost entirely in translucent plastics. Limited to 1500 pieces and packaged in a monochrome blue version of Hot Rod's normal packaging, Crystal Rodimus was only available at Tokyo Toy Festival, with the joint purchase of the evil clone [[Dark Hot Rod|Black Rodimus]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Autobot/HotRodClear/botthumb.jpg More information on Crystal Rodimus at TFU.info]''
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[[Image:G1toy_takara_rodimus_prime_reissue.jpg|300px|right|thumb]]
*'''Rodimus Convoy''' (2000)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-77'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Mobile Defense Bay, Photon Eliminator, spoiler, 2 gun shields (left & right)

:The original Rodimus Prime toy was reissued by Takara in mid-December 2000. It featured no notable changes from the original Generation 1 release of the figure, but it did reinstate the rubber tires and metal feet that were phased out of the original toy's production run.

::*''[http://www.mykooltoyz.com/rodimusconvoy.html More information on reissue Rodimus Convoy at MyKoolToyz.com]

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*'''Sons of Cybertron''' (2010)
[[Image:2010 sons of cybertron rodimus.jpg|right|300px|thumb]]
**''Accessories:'' Rocket engine/missile launcher, flame missile

:Released as part of [[TakaraTomy]]'s Welcome to Transformers 2010 campaign, this redeco of ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' Rodimus is cast in translucent plastic and features the ''[[Henkei! Henkei! (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' release's paint applications. He is packed with a similarly translucent Deluxe class [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Optimus Prime]] from the ''Classics'' "Ultimate Battle" pack and [[Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'' (2008)]] Special Edition.

:This ''Classics''/''Henkei''-based Sons of Cybertron set is a counterpart to TakaraTomy's ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' Sons of Cybertron set, which also features translucent versions of Deluxe (''Animated'') [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus]].

:The ''Classics''/''Henkei'' Sons of Cybertron set was intended for the Japanese Chara Hobby 2010 festival, but was also initially offered as a raffle prize at the Cybertron Philippines ,Toy Kingdom and SM Makati and [[Hasbro]]-partnered Autobot Alliance/Cybertron Con event that launched the ''[[Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'', [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|''Transformers'' (2010)]] and [[Power Core Combiners]] toylines in the Philippines.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/sons-of-cybertron-crystal-classics-optimus-prime-and-rodimus-set-images-169977/ TFW2005.com reports on the Philippines Autobot Alliance/Cybertron Con event. June 18, 2010]</ref>, and was available for purchase at the [[Cybertron Con 2010]] [[Shanghai]] convention as well as various online toy retailers.

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===Transform Jr===
[[Image:Tfjr rodimus prime.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
* '''Rodimus Convoy''' (1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-77'''
**''Accessories:'' Photon eliminator, cardboard trailer

:''[[Transform Jr]]'' Rodimus Prime is a downsized version of the standard toy, far less simplified that most figures in the ''Jr'' line (on account of how simple the regular toy is in the first place). Made of only red and yellow plastic, he is armed with his Photon Eliminator, and comes with a cardboard, non-transforming (obviously) version of his trailer. He also came packaged with a small die-cast metal figurine of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]].

::*''[http://www.vega.or.jp/~butto/tftcollejr-03.htm More information on Transform Jr Rodimus Convoy at a Japanese fan site]
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===Return of Convoy===
[[Image:Hotrodmicromaster.jpg|right|300px|thumb|2011: The year the Shriners will take over the automotive industry.]]
* '''Star Convoy w/ Hot Rodimus''' (Autobot, 1991/2005)
** ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-372'''

: Available only with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Star Convoy]], Hot Rod's [[Micromaster]] form is a simplified version of his original toy, transforming into the same futuristic race car. Like all Micromasters, he features a notch in the base of his feet that allows him to peg inside Star Convoy's chest and stand on his base mode's rotating turrent.

:In 2005, Star Convoy was re-released with several deco changes; in Hot Rod's case, his stickers were replaced with [[paint application]]s.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1991/Cybertron/HotRodimus/hotrodimus.htm More information on Return of Convoy Hot Rodimus at TFU.info]''
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===Choro-Q===
[[Image:Choro Q Rodimus.jpg|right|300px|thumb|The average car of 2022 will have expanded to fit the average American driver.]]
*'''Rodimus Convoy TV Version''' (2002)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''Q/05'''
**''Accessories:'' Photon Eliminator rifle

: Transforming super deformed version of Rodimus Convoy containing a pull back motor. He came with a small version of his Photon Eliminator rifle that can be held in his hand or attached to the top of the truck when in [[Choro-Q]] (vehicle) mode.

*'''Rodimus Convoy Metallic Version''' (2002)
**''Japanese ID number:''' '''Q/06'''
**''Accessories:'' Photon Eliminator rifle

: This metallic version featured metallic flake paint for the body and gold paint for the wings on Rodimus's back. Otherwise, the toy is the same.

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===Commemorative Series===

[[Image:Commemorative_series_rodimus_toys.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]

*'''Rodimus Major''' (2002)
**''Accessories:'' 2 Photon Lasers

:Hasbro's first and, to date, only reissue of the Hot Rod toy used the re-modified mold from Takara's 2001 edition, with smaller peg-holes for his Photon Lasers, and die-cast metal feet. As part of the first wave of "[[Commemorative Series]]" figures, Hot Rod had to undergo a name change due to Hasbro's inability to trademark his old name, but the "Major" suffix failed to stick and was only ever used on this edition of the toy.
:This version of the mold removes the pins in his arms and instead the arms stay in via very small pegs. This is likely due to the part being prone to breakage. Subsequent uses of this mold also shared this retool.

*'''Rodimus Prime''' (2004)
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Mobile Defense Bay, Photon Eliminator, spoiler, 2 gun shields (left & right)

:Part of the seventh wave of the Commemorative Series, Hasbro's reissue of Rodimus Prime was identical to Takara's 2001 reissue of the figure, featuring metal feet and rubber tires, and no other notable changes from the original figure. The toy did, however, feature an [[misassembly|assembly error]] that saw a portion of the chest being assembled backwards.

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===The Transformers Collection===

[[Image:Tfc_hot_rod.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]

*'''Hot Rodimus''' (2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''13'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 Photon Lasers, Firebolt Targetmaster partner

:The most recent reissue of Hot Rod followed the trend begun by earlier reissues of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]], and offered the most "complete" version of the toy available by including all the accessories that had come with the different releases of the figure through the years. His peg holes were modified for the third time, enlarged once again to accomodate Firebolt, and his Photon Lasers' pegs were similarly widened to fit comfortably in the newly-sized ports. Additionally, this version of Hot Rod replaced the factory-applied stickers on his chest and sides with [[tampograph]]s, completely redesigning the flame design on the latter decals. His chest decoration was modified to resemble the cartoon coloration more accurately.

:This set included a [[Tech Spec]] card that retroactively gave the Targetmaster version of Hot Rod the Japanese ID number "C-110", as the toy had never been released in Japan before this point.

::*''[http://www.tf-1.com/articles/reissue_frame.php?art=TMhotrod More information on Transformers Collection Targetmaster Hot Rod at TF-1.com]
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===Smallest Transforming Transformers===
[[Image:Wstf_hot_rod.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Hot Rodimus''' (2004/2006)
**''Accessories:'' 2 Photon Lasers

:Initially intended for release in the cancelled third wave of Takara's ''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' line of diminutive ''Transformers'' figures, Hot Rod eventually saw the light of day as the 1-in-24 [[shortpacking|shortpacked]] "chase" figure in wave "2.5" of the series, which was already of comparatively limited availability. He came with tiny versions of his original Photon Lasers (which were attached to a plastic sprue and had to be removed by the buyer), and was [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] like all ''Smallest Transforming'' figures.

:Hot Rod was later made available again as a [[Toys"R"Us]] exclusive in 2006, in a unique monochrome red box, available only with purchase of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|''Hybrid Style'' Optimus Prime]].

::*''[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/smallest-transformers/hot-rod/1704/ More information on Smallest Transforming Hot Rodimus at Seibertron.com]''

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===Classics (2006)===
[[Image:Rodimusclassics.jpg|right|300px|thumb|And in 2026, the future predicted in 1978 will finally come to pass. Perfect for a road trip to Sanctuary!]]
*'''Rodimus''' (Deluxe, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Rocket engine/missile launcher, flame missile

: ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' Rodimus is a sleeker, more streamlined version of the original, now transforming into a heavily-altered [http://www.supercarnet.jp/File/File-Japan/File-Dome.htm Dome Zero]. His rear-mounted thruster engine becomes a hand-held weapon in robot mode, launching a spring-loaded missile, or can remain attached to his back to become some kind of jet pack. His left arm also hides a flip-out "comm unit" that is clearly supposed to be the buzzsaw he used for a brief period in [[The Transformers: The Movie|the Movie]]. As with all ''Classics'' toys, Rodimus has a heat-sensitive [[rubsign]].

: In a twist of delicious buttery fandom irony, ''Classics'' Rodimus has elements that were introduced in [[Rodimus (Energon)|''Energon'' Rodimus]], making him a somewhat backwards-[[homage]]. His face also appears to take visual cues from how he was drawn by [[Derek Yaniger]] in the [[Generation 2 (Marvel Comics)|''Generation 2'' comic book]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/ClassicsRodimus/rodimus.htm More information on Classic Rodimus at TFU.info]''

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===Titanium Series===
[[Image:TitaniumHeroRodimus toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Winnebago... ''of the '''future'''!!!'']]
*'''Rodimus Prime''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Photon Eliminator rifle

: ''Titanium Cybertron Heroes'' Rodimus Prime is a mostly die-cast metal transforming toy based loosely upon the original ''Generation 1'' Rodimus Prime toy. He features much greater articulation and bulkier body proportions.

: Unlike the original toy which separated into a robot and a battle station, the entire vehicle mode of the 6-inch ''Titanium'' version transforms into the robot mode. As with ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' Rodimus, ''Titanium'' Rodimus Prime takes some visual cues from the ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' version of the character in addition to the original toy and the animation model... ''and'' the actual ''Classics'' Rodimus toy, such as the engine-block dickie.

: This mold was [[redeco]]ed into ''Titanium'' [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/TitRodimusPrime/rodimus.htm More information on Titanium Rodimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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===Kiss Players===
[[Image:KPHotRodimus.jpg|right|300px|thumb|The fishing rod turns into arm blasters. The girl eats dumplings.]]
*'''Hot Rodimus X SyaoSyao''' (2006)
**''Accessories:'' Engine/tonfa weapons, fishing rod/Exhaust Eliminator, ShaoShao Li figurine with steamer

: ''[[Kiss Players (toyline)|Kiss Players]]'' Hot Rodimus is a retool and redeco of the ''[[Alternators]]'' [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] toy, transforming into a red Ford GT. His engine becomes a pair of pistols that double as tonfa weapons, and his fishing rod can be taken apart and reassembled to create a triple-barreled arm-mounted blaster reminiscent of the original Hot Rod's exhaust pipe weapons. His new head sculpt includes a retractable visor patterned after the one used in the movie.

:The toy also included a PVC figurine of the character's "Kiss Player" partner [[Shaoshao Li]] and a bamboo dumpling steamer, as well as a CD including episodes 11-20 of the [[Kiss Players (radio drama)|''Kiss Players'' radio drama]] and the exclusive 10-minute audio adventure, "A Big Catch Tonight?!".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/AltRodimus/rodimus.htm More information on Kiss Players Hot Rodimus at TFU.info]''

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===Alternators===
[[Image:Alternators Rodimus toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He wants to go fishing too...]]
*'''Rodimus Prime''' (2007)
**''Accessories:'' Engine/tonfa weapons

: ''[[Alternators]]'' Rodimus Prime is an exclusive figure, released at the San Diego Comic-Con and [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] in July 2007. It is a repaint of Kiss Players Hot Rodimus, which itself is a retool of Alternators [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]]. The figure uses the same head mold introduced in the Kiss Players figure, retaining the original's visor gimmick. The deco has been altered by changing the side striping from white to yellow, while the stripes over the hood, roof and trunk have been eliminated altogether, replaced by a Hot Rod-style flame graphic on the hood and front guards. Most of the Kiss Player deco remains in robot mode, including the yellow hands and flame graphics on the forearms; however, the license plates (located at the knees in robot mode) have been changed to read "TOO HOT".

:Rodimus Prime's weapons are the dual pistols/tonfa seen with both Mirage and Hot Rodimus, however his Kiss Player counterpart's fishing rod/eliminator and dumpling steamer weapons were not included in the Alternators release. They left [[Shaoshao Li|the girl]] out too.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/AltRodimus/rodimus.htm More information on Alternators Rodimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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===Henkei! Henkei!===
[[Image:Henkei HotRodimus toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"They dipped my headlights in chrome. Now I don't drive at night."]]
*'''Hot Rodimus''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-05'''
**''Accessories:'' Rocket engine/missile launcher, flame missile

: In 2008, ''Classics'' Rodimus was released in Japan as part of the ''[[Henkei! Henkei! (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]] Transformers'' line by [[TakaraTomy]]. Now called Hot Rodimus, he features several significant deco differences, such as a large orange and yellow flame tampograph on his hood to better resemble the ''Generation 1'' cartoon model's appearance. The other flame tampographs have also been redesigned, his forehead crest is a more subtle colour to distance itself from the ''Energon'' Rodimus homage Hasbro introduced. The only other addition in terms of deco is orange paint on the cuffs of his lower arms. Curiously eschewing the slavish accuracy to the original cartoon's animation models that shaped the colorations of most other ''Henkei'' figures, Hot Rodimus is ''not'' rendered in Hot Rod's classic magenta cartoon color scheme, featuring instead a shade of red that is even darker than that used by the ''Classics'' version, as well as a lighter shade of orange. The clear violet on the ''Classics'' version, is clear blue on the Hot Rodimus. All ''Henkei! Henkei!'' toys feature a somewhat randomly [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum-metallized]] part somewhere upon them, his headlights are painted chrome gold paint, while his entire spoiler is vacuum-metallized gold.

: This mold was used to make the evil "[[Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]" [[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]] and "Gentei" [[Wildrider]].

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===Universe (2008)===
[[Image:Hotrodlegendsuniverse.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He's a Hot Rod without a hot rod.]]
*'''Rodimus''' (Legends Class, 2008)
: Legends Class Rodimus transforms into a generic sports car with a giant rice-tastic spoiler. This toy's design was the basis for Hot Rod's look in the [[Wings of Honor]] comic book.

: This mold was [[redeco]]ed into ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Smokescreen (Movie)|Smokescreen]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/TFURodimus/rodimus.htm More information on Universe Rodimus at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:Universe2008toy-ChallengeatCybertronRodimus.jpg|right|thumb|300px|HasTak: pretending Hot Rod was red and not magenta in the movie since 1986.]]
*'''Challenge at Cybertron''' (Deluxe Class figure 3-pack, 2010)
**''Accessories:'' Rocket engine/missile launcher, flame missile
: A redeco of ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' Rodimus was released in the "[[Challenge at Cybertron]]" multi-pack along with redecoes of [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. This version of Rodimus, like the ''Henkei!'' figure, is intended to be accurate to the cartoon's colors, though it attempts the idea much differently.

: So far the set has only been released in Southeast Asian markets by Hasbro Malaysia, and there are currently no details about a release elsewhere.
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===Masterpiece===
[[Image:Masterpiecetoy-RodimusConvoy.jpg|thumb|right|300px|You hated him when you were ten, and now you'll pay $200 to own him.]]
*'''Rodimus Convoy''' (2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-9'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/[[Mobile Defense Bay]], Photon Eliminator/two Photon Lasers, [[Matrix of Leadership]], buzzsaw, welding torch

:[[Masterpiece]] Rodimus Convoy can transform between himself and his younger Hot Rod incarnation in both vehicle and robot mode. Whilst in Hot Rod configuration, he is shorter and has Hot Rod's younger face, and of course, transforms into Hot Rod's futuristic supercar mode. In his Rodimus Convoy configuration, he has extra height due to extensions in his thighs and has Rodimus Prime's older, lined face via a face-swapping gimmick. Rodimus Convoy's vehicle mode is not simply the Hot Rod car docked into the trailer section, but has an entirely new vehicle front end to represent Rodimus Prime's shorter hood, smaller windshield/canopy and lack of exposed engine block.

:Rodimus Convoy's trailer opens up into the Mobile Defense Bay. He is armed with his Photon Eliminator rifle, which can split into Hot Rod's two smaller Photon Laser weapons. He comes with a Matrix of Leadership accessory, different from the one included with ''Masterpiece'' Optimus Prime, which can store in his chest. ''The Transformers: The Movie'' is the source of inspiration for the rest of his additional gadgets and features: the toy includes the retractable visor from the [[Lookout Mountain]] scene, and comes with the buzzsaw he used in battle on [[Quintessa]], and the welding torch he used to repair [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], both of which attach to his forearms.
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==Merchandise==
===Generation 1===
* '''Decipher the Decepticons Sweepstakes prize''' (1986)
:5 motorized Hot Rod go-carts were advertised as the grand prizes for the [[Decipher the Decepticon]] promotional contest. Sadly, no images of these rarities have surfaced on the Internet to date. If you know where we can find one ''we will give you a baby.'' A '''real''' baby.

===Transformers Choco===
[[Image:Tfchoco_rodimuses.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Hot Rodimus''' (1986)

:Released in the fourth ''[[Transformers 2010 (franchise)|Transformers 2010]]''-centric wave of [[Kabaya]]'s line of ''[[Transformers Choco]]'' [[candy toy]]s, this version of Hot Rod is a small, transformable model kit, cast in solid red plastic. As with all the ''Transformers Choco'' figures, he came with "Chocolate Dots", small candies similar to M&Ms.

*'''Rodimus Convoy''' (1986)

:Also released in the fourth wave of ''Transformers Choco'', this Rodimus Prime was also a small, solid-red transforming model kit packaged with Chocolate Dots. Its trailer, however, was a solid removable piece, which did not open into a battle station like the larger figure.
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===Transformers Gum===
[[Image:Tfgum rodimus convoy.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]

*'''Rodimus Convoy''' (1986)
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Mobile Defense Bay, Photon Eliminator, spoiler, left and right blast shields

:Rodimus Prime also had a presence in Kabaya's line of larger ''[[Transformers Gum]]'' model kits. Released as part of the line's fifth wave, Rodimus is molded in red, silver and black plastic, lacking in paint applications but featuring stickers for detail. Like many other ''Transformers Gum'' model kits, Rodimus is very much a downsized version of the regular toy, featuring all its accessories, features and articulation. As the name suggests, rather than chocolate, Rodimus came with a stick of gum.
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===Decoy===
[[Image:Decoy rodimus.jpg|right|thumb]]
*'''Rodimus Convoy''' (1986)

:While no figure of Rodimus Prime was released by [[Hasbro]] as part of their 1987 [[Decoy]] promotion, the Autobot leader did have a soft rubber figure crafted in his image that was available exclusive in Japan, as part of a second wave of the figures released there by [[Kabaya]], along with other ''Transformers 2010'' characters. Like the other figures in this series, Rodimus was sold in a [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] box, and was available in multiple colors, including red, blue and yellow.

*'''Rodimus Convoy''' (1987)

:Rodimus was also part of the small Japanese-exclusive collection of larger "Decoy" figures, with this version of the character standing at around twice the height of a regular Decoy. Like the other figures in this wave, Rodimus was packaged in an individual baggie and was available in red, blue, green and yellow.
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===Transform Jr===
[[Image:Tfjr_rodimus_vinyl_figure.jpg|right|thumb]]

*'''Rodimus Convoy vs Galvatron''' (multi-pack, 1986)

:An unarticulated vinyl figurine of Rodimus Prime was sold in a two-pack with a similar figure of Galvatron.

*'''Cybertron Leader Set''' (multi-pack, 1987)

:The Rodimus Prime figurine was also later made available in a two-pack with the ''Transform Jr'' [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] figure. The set also came with a small die-cast metal figurine of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]].
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===Talkformers===
[[Image:Talkformers_rodimus.jpg|right|thumb]]
*'''Rodimus Convoy''' (1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''T-01'''
:This vinyl figurine of Rodimus Prime was one of two entries in the ''[[Talkformers]]'' line. Featuring only two points of articulation in the shoulders, it spoke four pullstring-activated Japanese phrases, spoken by Rodimus's Japanese voice actor, [[Hiroya Ishimaru]].
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===MC Axis===
[[Image:Hybrid_model_rodimus.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Rodimus Convoy''' (Super Hybrid Model, 1987)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''H-01'''

:Rodimus Prime was one of three non-transforming ''[[Super Hybrid Model]]'' vinyl figurines created in 1987 by Japanese collectables company [[MC Axis (company)|MC Axis]]. Standing at about eight inches tall and featuring articulation in the head and neck, Rodimus and his fellows ([[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]) were based on their [[Studio OX]] character models, featuring much more anime-styled proportions and detailing.

:For reasons unknown, the retail release of Rodimus and the other ''Super Hybrid Model'' figures was canceled. While Galvatron was eventually released as an exclusive at [[BotCon Japan 1997]], Rodimus and Arcee have never been officially released, though they do occasionally pop up on the secondary market, commanding prices in excess of $600.
 
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[[Image:Mcaxis_hot_rod.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Hot Rod''' (model kit, 1996)
**''Accessories:'' Matrix of Leadership, buzzsaw, welding torch, alternate head, alternate hands-holding-Matrix

:This Japanese "garage kit", an unpainted resin model, was made by MC Axis and came with a [[MC Axis (pack-in comic)|comic strip]] starring Hot Rod. It included several interchangeable parts based on Hot Rod's antics in ''The Transformers: The Movie'', including an alternate head featuring the telescopic visor from the [[Lookout Mountain]] scene, the welding torch he used to repair [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] and the buzzsaw from his battles on [[Quintessa]], and two versions of the Matrix of Leadership—one standard, fairly useless one, since his clenched fists are unable to hold it, and one sculpted with a pair of alternate hands holding its handles, allowing Roddy to hoist it aloft.

:The kit is not known for its exceptional quality control - numerous unsightly air bubbles in the plastic are not an uncommon thing to encounter.

:* ''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/4512c7fd76f8e8ee Fan review of the Hot Rod and Elita One model kits]''
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===Parody Deformed===
*'''Rodimus Convoy''' (1990)
**''Accessories:'' Photon Eliminator
[[Image:Pdtype_rodimus.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
:A small white and red, non-transforming super deformed model kit of Rodimus Prime was available as part of Kabaya's "[[Parody Deformed]]" line of candy toys. The first figure of the third wave (the eleventh figure overall), he came with a "[[Transformers PD Type]]" comic about himself, "Take A Stand!! Rodimus Convoy", and more gum.

*'''Rodimus Convoy's Photon Eliminator''' (1990)

: The first toy released in the fifth and final wave of the ''Parody Deformed'' line (and the twenty-first toy overall), this model kit replica of Rodimus's Photon Eliminator comes with a number of small plastic BBs, which it can shoot via a spring-loaded firing mechanism. It came with a "PD Type" comic centering on it, and yet more gum.
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===Super Collection Figure===
*'''Rodimus Convoy''' (2002)
[[Image:HOC-figure Rodimus.JPG|right|300px|thumb|]]
: A three-inch tall [[plastic|PVC]] figurine of Rodimus Prime was available in the second wave of Takara's ''[[Heroes of Cybertron|Super Collection Figure]]'' line. Like all the figures in the "act", it was available as both a standard full color figure and a colorless translucent version, one of each of which was available in a standard case of twelve [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] figures.

*'''Rodimus Convoy with Matrix''' (2002)

:A rare [[chase figure]] of Rodimus Prime was also available in the second ''SCF'' act, molded in translucent colored plastic and holding the Matrix of Leadership in both hands, in the process of opening it.

*'''Rodimus Convoy with Matrix''' (2003)

:The Matrix-bearing Rodimus chase figure was re-released as a standard figure for the fourth ''Super Collection Figure'' wave, this time as both a standard, solid-color figure and a metallic silver "pewter" version, both available at one each per standard case of twelve. In eight out of every ten cases, the pewter figure came with the right leg of the wave's collectable [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] "build-a-figure".

*'''Hot Rodimus''' (2003)

:Hot Rod made his ''Super Collection Figure'' debut in the sixth wave of the series, sporting the telescopic visor he employed during on [[Lookout Mountain]] in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. Hot Rod was available in both full-color and pewter versions, but the color figure sported the burgundy paint job of Rodimus Prime, rather than Hot Rod's lighter magenta. In eight out of every ten cases, the pewter Hot Rod came with the torso of the wave's [[Grand Maximus]] collectable figure.

===Heroes of Cybertron===

*'''Rodimus Prime''' (2003)

:When Hasbro released the ''Super Collection Figure'' line as ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'', the original Rodimus Prime figure was released as part of the fourth wave, now featuring a [[light-piping]] gimmick in the character's eyes, accomplished by casting the figure in translucent blue plastic and then painting over it. Rather than come blindpacked like the ''SCF'' figure, Rodimus came on a blister card with a profile card included.
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===Mega Super Collection Figure===
*'''Hot Rodimus''' (2002) [[Image:MegaSCFRodimus.jpg|right|300px|thumb|]]
** ''Japanese ID number:'' '''Mega SCF-04'''
** ''Accessories:'' Left and right open hands, left and right fists, head w/ visor, Matrix of Leadership, buzzsaw, welding torch
:A five-inch tall, non-transforming highly-articulated PVC figure of Hot Rod was the fourth entry in Takara's ''Mega Super Collection Figure''. Based closely on Hot Rod's cartoon character model (albeit sport the character's red and orange toy color scheme, rather than the cartoon's magenta), Hot Rod came with numerous interchangeable accessories. In addition to the Matrix of Leadership and two sets of hands—two clenched fists and two open palms—he includes several gadgets seen in ''The Transfomrers: The Movie'': the buzzsaw used in battle on [[Quintessa]], the welding torch he used to repair [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], and an alternate head featuring an open-mouthed expression and the telescopic visor he used on Lookout Mountain.

*'''Rodimus Convoy''' (2002)
** ''Japanese ID number:'' '''Mega SCF-06'''
** ''Accessories:'' Left and right open hands, left and right fists, pointing left hand, right hand w/ Photon Eliminator, Matrix of Leadership

:Rodimus Prime also made an appearance in the ''Mega Super Collection Figure'' line, standing a little taller than Hot Rod. He too features his red and orange toy-based coloration, instead of the burgundy shade featured in the cartoon. He shares both the Matrix and two sets of hands with Hot Rod, but rather than Hot Rod's other tools, comes instead with a third set of hands, one pointing, and one clutching his Photon Eliminator rifle.

===MyClone===
[[Image:Myclone rodimus.jpg|right|thumb]]
*'''Rodimus Convoy''' (2003)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MTF007'''
**''Accessories:'' Orange display stand

:Released in the second wave of the ''[[MyClone]]'' line of Transformers PVC figures, this adorable widdle Wodimus Pwime comes with a hexagonal orange display stand, which can link up with the identical stands included with other MyClone figures. His modular design allows his parts to be mixed and matched with those of any other MyClone figure.
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===Hard Hero===
[[Image:HardHero HotRod bust.JPG|right|thumb|]]
* '''Hotrod''' (2003)

:Number 7 in [[Hard Hero]]'s main ''Transformers'' series, "Hotrod" is a six inches tall cold-cast porcelain bust. The bust was limited to 4000 pieces, with an additional 100 being specially signed by sculptor [[Jason Ray]], and is a vanishingly rare example of a piece of Hot Rod merchandise that actually colors the character in his original magenta hue.

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===Generation 1 Figure-Collection===

[[Image:Bottlecap_rodimus.JPG|right|thumb|]]

*'''Rodimus Convoy''' (2003)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-6'''
**''Accessories:'' Display base

:At only one inch in height, this Rodimus "bottlecap" figurine (so named because its display base is the size of a bottlecap) was one of fourteen blindpacked figures available in Kabaya's Transformers [[Generation 1 Figure-Collection]]. The figure was rendered in a "retro" black and white color scheme, and came with a leaflet, personalized with cartoon screen captures.

::*''[http://snakas.web.infoseek.co.jp/misc_item/kabaya_bottle.htm More information on the Bottlecap Collection at Autobase Aichi]''
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===Titanium Series===
[[Image:TitaniumRM Rodimus.jpg|right|thumb|"Three-inch Rod" is its own joke.]]
*'''Rodimus''' (3-inch Robot Masters, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Firebolt gun, Autobot insignia display base

: ''Titanium'' Rodimus is a 3 inch tall, non-transforming, die-cast metal figurine. He has limited articulation, localized in his head, shoulders and waist. His gun (which looks an ''awful'' lot like Firebolt) is also removable. Excitement! Like all the figures in the line, he came packaged with a clear plastic display base, sculpted in the shape of, and decorated with, his faction's insignia.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/TitRodimus/rodimus.htm More information on Titanium Robot Heroes Rodimus at TFU.info]''

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===Metalverse Collection===
[[Image:Hot Rod mv.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I'm a little bit expensive.]]

*'''Hot Rodimus''' (Metalverse Collection MVC-01, 2007)

:Large, rather expensive PVC statue with a base sculpted "Hot Rod" on [http://www4.big.or.jp/~cyclone/DAIKI/index.html it] released by [http://www4.big.or.jp/~cyclone/DAIKI/index.html Daiki Industry]. Designed by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] and sculpted by Yuho Koike, it was originally conceived as a clock-statue (the clock would have gone in the nameplate/sigil section of the base) and proposed as a [[BotCon]] exclusive by Mr. Koike and [[Fumihiko Akiyama]].

::*''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_frm/thread/2faa2eeb4000724f/48a6e4867e425257?lnk=st&q=#48a6e4867e425257 More details on Metalverse Collection Hot Rodimus at alt.toys.transformers]
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===Art Asylum===
[[Image:AAUnicron statue.jpg|300px|thumb|]]
* '''Unicron Movie Statue''' (Diamond Select, 2007)

: This [[Diamond Select Toys|Diamond Select]] statue of Hot Rod and [[Unicron]] stands 8 ½” tall and was limited to 1,986 pieces (as in 1986, the year the original animated ''[[The Transformers: The Movie|Transformers]]'' movie was released). Hot Rod stands in the center of the piece, holding the [[Matrix of Leadership]] aloft, as Unicron looms behind him. Despite this scene being based on the movie, Hot Rod is colored red like his toy instead of magenta.
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[[Image:Diamond_rodimus_bust.jpg|right|thumb]]
*'''Rodimus Prime head bust''' (Diamond Select, 2008)

:After the Unicron diorama, Rodimus got a statue all to himself with this Art Asylum mini-bust. It was roughly five inches tall and limited to 1500 pieces.
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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:G1 RobotHeroes RodimusVsInsecticon.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Light our cutest hour.]]
*'''Rodimus Vs Insecticon''' (2007)

:''[[Robot Heroes]]'' Rodimus is a two inch tall figure sculpted in [[super deformed]] style with articulation at the shoulders. Sporting the color scheme of, and details based on the stickers of, the original Generation 1 Hot Rod toy, he came in a two-pack with "[[Shrapnel (G1)|Insecticon]]".

:Rodimus was also one of the ''Robot Heroes'' figures released in single-packed, blindpacked form in other countries such as Malaysia and the United Kingdom. Notably, for this release, the character card included with the figure actually used his original name, Hot Rod!

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/RHRodimus/rodimus.htm More information on Robot Heroes Rodimus at TFU.info]''

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===Revoltech===
[[Image:Revoltech Rodimus toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Bang Bang... I shot you down, Bang Bang..."]]
* '''Hot Rodimus''' (2008)
** ''Yamaguchi Series number:'' '''047'''
** ''Accessories:'' Photon laser 1, Photon laser 2, 4 x hands (left & right gun holding hands, right pointing hand and thumbs-up right hand)

:A non-transforming but ''highly'' articulated Hot Rod action figure, ''[[Revoltech]]'' Hot Rodimus uses the ''Revoltech'' "revolver joints" for maximum poseability. It comes with his twin handguns, an extra head with deployed visor and a more neutral expression, a posing stand, and four extra hands (two hands for holding the guns, a pointing right hand, and a thumbs-up left hand).<ref>[http://bakaneko.way-nifty.com/revoltech/2008/01/post_909a.html Photos of the set contents at Revoltech's official blog site.]</ref><ref>[http://www.amiami.com/shop/?vgForm=ProductInfo&sku=TOY-RBT-0149&template=review.html Large images of the figure and its accessories at the online store Amiami.]</ref>

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===3D Battle-Card Game===
[[Image:3dbattlecardgame_hotrod.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Hot Rod''' (2007)

: A 28-point "uncommon" character in the [[3D Battle-Card Game]]'s "Energon Wars" expansion, Hot Rod "transforms" into a red sports car that vaguely resembles a Ford GT 40. He uses the same parts layout as [[Movie (toyline)|Movie]] [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], [[Smokescreen (Movie)|Smokescreen]] and [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]], along with fellow "Energon Wars" addition ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Blurr (Armada)|Blurr]].
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==Notes==
[[Image:Pinkrod.jpg|right|thumb|200px|I was pink once.]]

* Miscommunication between Hasbro and Takara that neglected to mention the fact that Rodimus Prime was supposed to be the new Autobot leader and the upgrade of Hot Rod led to Takara creating the original [[prototype]] for the G1 Hot Rod toy in three times the final size, about as tall as ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]]. When Hasbro corrected Takara about those details, Takara's designers were disappointed because they had to make Rodimus Prime's toy larger than Hot Rod's.<ref>[http://www.tfarchive.com/creative/showentry.php?s=522 Information provided by Fumihiko Akiyama, incorporated in essay about "Ten popular but incorrect rumors about Japanese Transformers" at TF Archive]</ref>

* Hot Rod, Kup, and Blurr mark an increase in the size of the Autobot Car grouping to what would eventually become today's Deluxe class price point.

* In an odd intra-Hasbro design move, Hot Rod's larger original handgun was remolded slightly and reused as the nosecone cannon on the [[Cobra]] [http://www.yojoe.com/vehicles/88/stellarstiletto/ Stellar Stiletto] in 1988. Hey, Hot Rod was occupied with [[Firebolt]] at the time anyway, right?

[[Image:TFGRodimus.jpg|right|200px|thumb|New Rodimus, not to be confused with New Coke.]]
* '''New Rodimus''' was the tentative name for an unused Rodimus Prime design revealed in the Japanese book ''[[Transformers Generations]]''. Unlike his predecessors, he would have transformed into a fire engine. According to the caption in the book, New Rodimus would have come out after [[Optimus_Prime_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity#The_Battlestars_story_pages_and_comic|Star Convoy]], and his transformation would involve splitting at the waist.

:The idea for New Rodimus's transformation was eventually used by the ''[[Brave (franchise)|Brave]]'' toy '''Duke Fire''', which is also a fire engine that splits at the waist in order to transform. Unlike New Rodimus, however, Duke Fire is also composed of an ambulance that becomes his arms.

:Some have speculated that New Rodimus was intended to become power-up parts to Star Convoy similar to how [[Godbomber]] and [[Victory Leo]] upgrade [[Ginrai]] and [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]], respectively. This is supported by several pieces of evidence:
:: ''Generation 1'' Transformers made by Takara generally do not split apart as part of their transformation, and when they do, it is usually for the purpose of combining with another robot.
:: Duke Fire, who inherited New Rodimus's transformation, combines with '''J-Decker''', a robot similar in general shape to Star Convoy, to form a larger robot called '''Fire J-Decker'''.
:: Fire J-Decker's chest piece (formed from Duke Fire's chest) successfully clips onto Star Convoy's chest (albeit not as securely as on J-Decker's chest).

[[Image:HyperHobbyRodimusTestshot.jpg|thumb|200px|]]

* An image of a black Rodimus Prime toy appeared in [[Hyper Hobby]] magazine #38 in 2002. For years, it was thought that this was an unreleased [[Lucky Draw figure]] (which an [http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/content.php?/transformers-news/story/7581/Unreleased+Lucky+Draw+Black+Rodimus+Convoy.html unscrupulous Ebay seller] reinforced by repeatedly calling it that in his auctions). However, it was eventually found--[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=0f1c270a0acb3a279d03b91ac06faeeb&showtopic=62831&view=findpost&p=1347844 seven years later]--when a Japanese speaker read the text of the magazine, that it was nothing more than a test shot that was intended to tease the release of the normal-colored reissue.

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/HotRod/hotrod.htm Hot Rod at TFU.info]

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Perceptor (G1)

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:''Perceptor is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:G1 Perceptor reissueart.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Back off, man. I'm a scientist."]]
'''Perceptor''' is a scientist, one of the most astute minds the whole of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] can offer. He is perpetually seeking to increase knowledge, and his discoveries have repeatedly proven invaluable. Though his specialties lie in metallurgy, electrical engineering, and additional sciences closely concomitant to Transformer physiology, his thirst for knowledge has made him a kind of scientific jack-of-all-trades.

One of Perceptor's most infamous mannerisms is his tendency to engage in verbal communication using scientific terminology. This has the unforeseen result of exasperating and occasionally frustrating his comrades. One might hypothesize that the jovial mechanoid is unaware that not everyone with whom he seeks to communicate shares his extensive vocabulary.

Engaging in physical melee is not his preferred activity. He is content to make his contributions to the Autobot cause in the manner in which he deems sufficient, but will engage in combat if the situation requires. [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] often relies on Perceptor's perspicacity, and considers him as inestimable as any of his officers.

:''French-Canadian name'': '''Percepto'''
:''Italian name'': '''Supervista''' ("Super-sight")
:''Hungarian name'': '''Észlelő'''
:''Victory [[Omni Productions]] dub name'': '''Doctor Baster'''

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====Generation 1 cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Paul Eiding]] (English), [[Ken Shiroyama|Chikao Shiroyama]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Microbots shrink.JPG|thumb|right|200px|All my tubes and wires and careful notes!]]

Perceptor appeared on [[Earth]] during a period of time occurring after the initial impact of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] into the planet. {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 2}} It is unknown exactly when he had arrived, but the malfunctions he suffered during the [[Cybertonium]] depletion crisis would lead one to conclude that he had been present when the Ark crashed onto prehistoric Earth during the encounter wih the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]''. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1}}

During his period of habitation on that planetary body, he experienced a myriad of adventures. Included in that scope were incidents such as reconfiguring his mass ratio to a microscopic scale using the [[transmat reduction beam]] in order to sever the connection of the [[Heart of Cybertron]] to [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]'s body. Upon doing so, he proceeded to dispose of the object by having [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] throw the volatile energy source approximately two thousand feet into the sky and shooting it with his mobile cannon mode. {{storylink|Microbots}}

When Megatron perpetrated an egregious assault on the Autobots' reputation and had them forcibly expelled from their residency on Earth, Perceptor was indubitably among their number. A fortuitous sequence of events allowed the Autobots to return to their former planetary location and extradict the Decepticons from their dominion over the [[human]]s. {{storylink|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 2}} During another adventure, a series of aberrant mechanical malfunctions began afflicting the Autobots. Perceptor was incapable of altering from his microscope configuration, and expeditiously determined that the complication was a depletion of [[Cybertonium]]. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1}}

During a constitutional along a seaboard, Perceptor, [[Beachcomber (G1)|Beachcomber]], [[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]], [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] and [[Seaspray (G1)|Seaspray]] were assailed by an assortment of Decepticons. Remarkably, [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] appeared impervious to damage, and both Perceptor and Seaspray were captured and escorted to the submerged Decepticon headquarters. With the inclusion of Beachcomber, the three Autobots were able to effect an adequate escape and rejoin their cohorts in time to confront the [[Electrum]]-coated Decepticons. {{storylink|The Golden Lagoon}}

In an endeavor to assist [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]], who had run into difficulty on [[Titan (moon)|Titan]], one of [[Saturn]]'s attendant moons, Perceptor and [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] traversed space in [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. Although Omega's energy was depleted by the journey, Perceptor was able to locate a prodigious accumulation of [[energy crystal]]s, with which he subsequently reenergized Omega, allowing them to repel the Decepticon invaders and effect a peregrination back to Earth. {{storylink|The God Gambit}}

[[Image:G1 cartoon Perceptor Pencil sword.JPG|left|200px|thumb|The pen...cil is mightier than the sword!]]

On another occasion, Perceptor and an assemblage of Autobots and Decepticons were propelled across the interstellar void by the [[space bridge]], landing on an unexplored world in which Cybertronian lifeforms were minuscule in relation to the immense indigenous population. After a series of alarming endangerments, Perceptor determined that a toy rocket ship possessed by the boy [[Aron]], whose abode they had happened into, could be modified to return the Autobots home. {{storylink|Child's Play (episode)|Child's Play}} Calamitously, their mode of transport was intercepted by an alien named [[Bosch]], who utilised a mechanism to place the Autobots in a submissive state, intending to barter them for energon. [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] was eventually able to emancipate Perceptor and his fellows with the assistance of the bounty hunter [[Devcon (G1)|Devcon]]. {{storylink|The Gambler}}

Examining a sample of extraterrestrial matter transported to Earth on [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'s back, Perceptor was able to ascertain that Cosmos had inadvertently imported [[Morphobot]]s, a genus of robotic flora which consumed mechanical life. His exhortation was sufficient to save Cosmos and the Morphobots were soon dispatched to a more suitable biosphere; however, the sample he had acquired had also propagated to the point where it threatened to consume him along with his laboratory. {{storylink|Quest for Survival}}

Perceptor's spectrographic analysis of an ore sample determined that the asteroid from which it originated was, in fact, alive. In an unfortunate turn of events, Optimus Prime had just commanded Omega Supreme to obliterate said asteroid. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme}} Yet another enterprise took Perceptor to a world inhabited by transforming organic creatures who had been enslaved by the Decepticons. He assisted in liberating the [[Tlalakan]]s, and was subsequently bemused by Bumblebee's notion that they should make a wish on the first stellar object they sighted. {{storylink|Sea Change}}

[[Image:Cosmic Rust Perceptor kick.JPG|thumb|right|200px|I don't believe it! There she goes again! She's tidied up and I can't find anything!]]

He also synthesized a panacea to remedy all corrosion, with the appellation [[corrostop]], and was decorated by the humans for his ingenuity. Megatron also coveted his assistance, but for a dire emergency — the Decepticon had become afflicted by [[Cosmic Rust (disease)|Cosmic Rust]] and it transpired that corrostop was the only counteragent. Not content with merely being ameliorated, Megatron exploited Perceptor in a machination to infect the Autobots with Cosmic Rust, and all sources of [[Ingredient X]], an imperative component of corrostop, had been exhausted. Perceptor and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] labored to make the [[matter duplicator]] operational so that more corrostop could be constituted and the Autobots saved. {{storylink|Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust}}

Perceptor and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] discovered a disquieting fact — that an aberrant disruption emanating from Cybertron was causing a shift in Earth's orbit, resulting in the planet's imminent collision with the nearest stellar body! The Autobots and Decepticons were forced to collaborate to avoid destruction in the [[Sun]]; however, the Insecticons masticated the space bridge controls, rendering the possibility of its use dubious. With donated components, Perceptor repaired the space bridge and dispatched the amalgamated force to Cybertron to subjugate the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]]. {{storylink|The Revenge of Bruticus}}

[[Image:Rumblevsperceptor.jpg|thumb|left|200px|I can smell the chemicals!]]

Perceptor's actions continued to be of intrinsic strategic import, particularly following the distinct tactical deficiencies during the [[battle of Autobot City]] that resulted in the expiration of Wheeljack, and pointing out that "gamma waves in this sector of space create marginal navigation probabilities" as the Autobots fled Earth. As a member of Ultra Magnus's company, he was marooned on planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junk]], where he contended with the indigenous race of mechanisms, designated [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]]. During the decisive battle against [[Unicron]], Perceptor was stationed aboard the Junkion vessel when Unicron crushed it in his grasp, though fortunately was not a casualty of the catastrophe and could later be distinguished celebrating the antagonist's defeasance. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

Perceptor had a mission of paramount importance and tasked it to [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]]. After the Galactic Olympics were disrupted by unknown assailants, he examined some debris but was unable to determine the exact nature of the attackers. He proposed he accompany [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] on an undertaking to investigate the Decepticons, but Rodimus elected to procure [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s abetment instead. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}} Perceptor later valiantly defended Cybertron against Decepticon intrusion. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

The inexplicable resurrection of Optimus Prime led Perceptor and the rest of the Autobots on a mission of retaliation against the [[Quintesson]]s for the supposed termination of a selection of Autobots, including Rodimus Prime. When it transpired that a shuttle Optimus commanded the Autobots fire on in fact contained their still-functioning comrades, Perceptor was all too happy to arrest the ill-fated assault. {{storylink|Dark Awakening}}

[[Image:G1 ForeverIsALongTime Pipes Rodimus Perceptor.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]

On a second entanglement with the Quintessons, Perceptor was incapacitated early in the conflict and unable to prevent several of his fellow Autobots from traversing a [[Time Window|chronal displacement aperture]] to Cybertron's distant past. Although [[Pipes]] was an adequate physician, Perceptor regained normal function subsequent to the resolution of the situation. {{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}

After [[Fort Knox]] dematerialized, a preliminary examination by Perceptor of [[energon cube]]s discovered at the locale indicated they were contaminated with [[Dinosaur transform static]]. Further analysis indicated the cubes were of Decepticon manufacture, exonerating the Dinobots and [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]]. Tracing the point of origin to [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya|Carbombya]], the Autobots located the appropriated architecture and liberated the country from the habitation of the Decepticons. {{storylink|Thief in the Night}}

Perceptor was part of an ambush set for [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] when the incorporeal spirit of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] possessed [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]]. {{storylink|Starscream's Ghost}} When Wheelie and the [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Spike's immature offspring]] developed curiosity over Ultra Magnus's construction date, they consulted Perceptor, who suggested they scrutinize the [[Hall of Records]], unaware of the endangerment the pair would soon face. {{storylink|Surprise Party}} Investigating another disappearance on the part of Daniel, this time complemented by Grimlock, Perceptor operated a Quintesson contrivance which transposed a rescue party to the domain of [[Menonia]]. {{storylink|Madman's Paradise}} While excavating [[isodrite]] in an asteroid belt, a team of Autobots was beleaguered by Decepticons, however as Perceptor observed, Galvatron was wreaking more havoc with his own troops than the Autobots. {{storylink|Webworld}}

[[Image:CarnageCMinor Perceptor microscope.jpg|thumb|left|200px|That's not where you look into a microscope, Hot Spot.]]
Perceptor's calculations later tracked the Decepticons down to a comet, where the blackguards were installing an apparatus to propel it into [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. During the altercation, a resonance of extreme amplitude disrupted proceedings, causing all present to expeditiously descent towards a nearby planetary body named [[Eurythma]]. As the Decepticons prepared to resume hostilities, Perceptor dismantled [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] with one discharge of his artillery mode. He proceeded to participate in a diversionary engagement while Ultra Magnus and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] contacted the indigenous sentient life who communicated entirely in melody. {{storylink|Carnage in C-Minor}}

Detecting an aberrant semaphore on a Quintesson frequency, Perceptor allocated the mission to Sky-Lynx, Blaster and [[Outback]]. {{storylink|The Quintesson Journal}} He later oversaw the installation of a new power core on Cybertron. Not long after this occurrence, Galvatron unleashed a [[Dweller|grotesque monstrosity]] with the ability to metamorphose Transformers into energy vampires. Perceptor not only formulated a remedy involving the infusing of a plethora of energy, but was able to effect the catharsis of the Dweller from Cybertron. {{storylink|The Dweller in the Depths}} He was equivalently successful in restoring Ultra Magnus, Rodimus, [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] to their mechanoid forms after they were transplanted into organic bodies. {{storylink|Only Human}}

[[Image:PerceptorNijika01.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Memoirs of a tiny alien robot geisha with a male alien robot's transplanted brain]]
During the instatement of another power generator, Perceptor expressed a desire for an increase in the Dinobots' brainpower, to which Grimlock responded with a aggressive exclamation regarding his fist and Perceptor's cranium. Malfunctions caused by strange energy emanating from the generator resulted in Grimlock's intelligence being increased manifold, outstripping even Perceptor's own acumen. The Autobots journeyed to Unicron's skull in orbit around Cybertron, where they were incapacitated by [[anti-electron]]s. Providentially, Grimlock was able to construct a brigade of [[Technobot (G1)|Technobot]]s to salvage the situation. {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}

During one of his final known excursions with Rodimus, Perceptor plummeted onto an [[Zamojin (planet)|alien world]] in a state of [[transformation paralysis]]. What's worse, his [[universal emulator]] was taken from his body and transplanted into the [[Zamojin (species)|Zamojin]] construct called [[Nijika]], which resulted in Perceptor's consciousness taking up residence within that form. All things considered, he took it quite well, and his alterations to the emulator resulted in the Quintessons inadvertently extricating the world from its incarceration. {{storylink|The Face of the Nijika}}

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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====Fight! Super Robot Lifeform manga=====
=====Victory cartoon=====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Masaharu Satō]] (Japanese)

Perceptor, [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] and [[Minerva]] were summoned, called forth, or otherwise sought out by [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]] to save, preserve, and defend the life of the critically damaged and weakened [[Ginrai]]. They succeeded, converting the former [[Transtector]] into the mighty [[Victory Leo]].{{storylink|Ginrai Dies!!}} {{storylink|Fight!! Victory Leo}} {{storylink|Awaken! Victory Leo}} {{storylink|The Tide is Turned! The Ultimate Weapon, the Victory Unification}} {{storylink|Jean - Defend the Campus!!}}

=====Japanese ''Generation 2'' story pages=====
[[Image:G2StoryPageWheeljackPerceptor1.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Look at him, all tiny back there.]]
Perceptor, along with Wheeljack and [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], discovered [[Reconfiguration Matrix|new properties]] of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] which allowed Optimus Prime to revive himself as Laser-Rod Optimus Prime subsequent to a crushing defeat by Megatron. {{storylink|G-2 (story page)|G-2 Part 4}}
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=====Teletraan Go! Go! comics=====
[[Image:TGGPerceptor1.jpg|right|150px|thumb|The doctor is in...sane.]]
Sent to gather data on Perceptor, [[Teletraan 15]] found him giggling creepily over a microchip and telling it that it was time for its check-up.

[[Image:TGGPerceptor2.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Wheeee!]]As she recoiled in horror, Perceptor's tone became clinical and, retracting his faceplate, he demanded that she identify herself. After Teletraan 15 recorded her notes on the Autobot scientist, he transformed into his seldom-seen mobile battle mode and took her for a ride... whether she wanted it or not.
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===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
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On Cybertron, Perceptor was often considered an officer or otherwise highly ranked personage by other Cybertronic life forms in the vicinity, inspiring in the aforementioned others a tendency to view him as a "commander" of a faction of Autobots who engaged in armed conflict against localized enemy forces until such a point as the aforementioned combat unit, or the surviving portions thereof, crossed the multidimensional warp system for transport, otherwise known as the Space Bridge, to join the forces based on the planetary body known to the overwhelming majority of those of his species who had shifted their operations to its locality as Earth. {{storylink|The Smelting Pool!}} {{storylink|The Bridge to Nowhere!}} His most recent appearance had him suffering from defective circuits in the Arctic, preventing him fom detecting the presence of the [[Seacon (G1)|Seacon]] of the [[Tentakil (G1)|multipod variety]]. He was later listed as deactivated for a somewhat extended period of time, by human standards if not by those of his species, by the opposing faction (as judged by an outside observer who insists on a binary classification system) as a result of the [[Underbase]] conflict, so named for the goal of the conflict, a legendary storehouse of Cybertronic knowledge. {{storylink|Dark Star (issue)|Dark Star}} {{storylink|Yesterday's Heroes!}}

=====Marvel UK future timelines=====
''In a parallel junction of quantum-temporal values, Perceptor aided his fellow residents of [[Autobot City]] in the initiation of combat proceedings against unwanted [[Quintesson]] visitors possessing acutely nefarious intent. Unfortunately, said combat proceedings proved to be incapable of properly sustaining the necessary level of applied force to rebuke and rebuff the forward progress of the invading hostile xeno-biological entities, leading to a cessation of proper operating status for Perceptor and several of his Autobot co-actors. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}''

''One solar-terrestrial revolution cycle later, Perceptor again responded to the presence of hostile activities when an Autobot interstellar transport shuttle made a sudden and disastrous relocation from space to earth at velocities far exceeding safety protocols. At the shuttle's location, Perceptor fell into a paradoxical situation necessitating that the Autobots save their commander [[Rodimus Prime (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] from his own disparate mental status. {{storylink|White Fire}}''

====Generation 2====
Perceptor did not engage in random fisticuffs and altercations with the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronians]], for that would most emphatically be in a milieu of activity not of his preference. Alternatively, he participated in an expedition of a scientific nature to the lunar orbiting body of [[J'asik]] to determine what nefarious entity had structurally destabilized the populace at a molecular level. His findings unveiled astonishing and almost inarticulable obfuscations from deep in the Cybertronian past. {{storylink|Swarm (issue)|Swarm}}

===Universe: The Wreckers===
Perceptor counseled [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] against making a leadership decision that, when one considers both the opinions of observers that are generally regarded as wise, to such an extent as observers with finite capacity for knowledge can comprehend the infinite, and the final results of the decision in question, could be regarded as less than optimal.

Knowing the commander in question many of those reading this documentation may surmise the result... {{storylink|Betrayal}}

===Dreamwave Generation 1 comics continuity===
Perceptor was again held to be an officer or leader, a position he occupied with [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], among a group of underground Autobots on Cybertron after the unexpected return of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], who had disappeared along with Optimus Prime many years ago in an early [[space bridge]] test, commanding the [[Aerospace Extermination Squadron]], an army of [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]-form drones. The combat efficiency of these Air Warriors, as they were also known, led to a Decepticon conquest of Cybertron, as well as the enslavement of many Autobots. During this period, Perceptor theorized that if Megatron had survived the space bridge explosion, one could logically conclude that Optimus Prime also survived. At a base appropriately designated the [[Think Tank]], Perceptor designed and built a device intended to locate Optimus Prime. Before a proper test of the device could be conducted, Perceptor's group managed to capture an Air Warrior, with the intentions of examining its systems with the hope of finding an effective counter measure against the drones. {{storylink|War Within: The Age of Wrath}} Unfortunately, financial irregularities on the part of [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s [[Pat Lee|President]] resulted in the company filing for Chapter 11, where it currently remains in Bankruptcy court to this day, precluding any possible end to the story at this time.

Millions of years after the aforementioned events, Perceptor again allied with a group of Autobots who opposed the oppressive regime of the Decepticon [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], but these activities were covert in nature and he publicly remained a respected Autobot scientist. He presented evidence of Shockwave's unorthodox experiments on various Transformers, as well as the fact that Cybertron's spatial coordinates seemed to have changed, to the [[Autobot High Council|High Council]]. The High Council was unwilling to take any constitutional action against Shockwave, over feelings of gratitude for his assistance in restoring the peace, even after they were verbally accosted by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. Ultimately, any censure or movement against Shockwave was discontinued due to a rampage on the part of the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]]. After Optimus Prime escaped custody and united the various resistance movements, Perceptor participated in the [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leader]]'s offensive against [[Shockwave's Tower|Shockwave's fortifications]] within Hub Capital Iacon. He also helped to repair [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], commander of the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], despite the latter's well known bias against intellectuals. {{storylink|War and Peace}}

===''Transformers/G.I. Joe''===
In the year 1985, Perceptor and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] hastily took off for [[Earth]] in an starship poorly-suited for interstellar travel, despite Perceptor's protests. Upon arrival, they unsurprisingly crashed, landing in the forests of [[Oregon]] near [[Mount St. Hilary]]. They were discovered there by a [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] team led by [[Flint (G.I. Joe)|Flint]]. {{storylink|Targets of Opportunity}}

{{note|Due to Dreamwave's bankruptcy, Blaster and Perceptor's motivations for coming to Earth - and pretty much anything else - were never revealed.}}

===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
Perceptor accompanied [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] to [[Teletran 3]], where he providing covering fire for Magnus and captured [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] with an energy rope. He then tapped into Teletran 3 and learned that it had transported a random number of Cybertronians into various points in [[Earth]]'s timeline, which would cause a temporal feedback that would destroy the planet unless they were retrieved. Thankfully, [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] and [[Cobra]] were happy to save their planet, and Perceptor operated Teletran 3 to send them after the missing Transformers. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 1|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #1}} After that, all he could do was wait inside the slowly dying force field erected around Teletran 3. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 2|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #2}} Unfortunately, the field went down before all the rescue teams had returned, and the Autobots were captured by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], who taunted Perceptor as he allowed his Earth-destruction scenario to play out. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 3|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #3}} It was not to be, however, as the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] were retrieved from Earth's distant past and ripped Shockwave's forces apart, saving Perceptor and the other prisoners. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 4|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #4}}

Some time later, Perceptor was sent to [[Area 52 (G1)|Area 52]] on Earth to oversee the decommissioning of Cybertronian technology along with [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]. Before he had time to do much other than greet [[Mainframe (G.I. Joe)|Mainframe]] and deliver a message from Optimus Prime, the facility came under attack by Cobra, and Perceptor had to help fight them off. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 1|The Art of War #1}} Bumblebee went missing during the battle, and the Autobots followed his [[energy signature]] to the lowest areas of Area 52, only to find the head of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], deactivated two years earlier. Perceptor was outraged that the humans had been experimenting with something so dangerous, but [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]] insisted that he had been completely unaware. As it turned out, Megatron's remains had been used to make the dangerous and hostile [[Serpentor|Serpent Organic Robot]], who forced the [[G.I. Joe battle mech|Joes' mech suits]] to fight against Perceptor and the other Autobots before warping to Cybertron. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 2|The Art of War #2}}

The Autobots and Joes followed him, and Perceptor called [[Capitol City]] for reinforcements before discovering the movement signals of several [[cannibalizer]]s around them. They escaped from the monstrosities, only to run straight into Serpent O.R.'s newly recruited Decepticon army, who captured them before Perceptor's reinforcements had time to arrive. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 3|The Art of War #3}} They were eventually freed thanks to [[Snake-Eyes]]'s ninja tricks. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 4|The Art of War #4}} While fighting their way out of the Decepticon base, the Autobots learned that Serpent O.R. had also captured Optimus Prime, and they went to rescue him. When they arrived, Serpent O.R.'s body had been transformed by the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] and was now being controlled by [[Cobra Commander]]. The Cobra leader used his tentacles to smash Perceptor's shoulder to pieces, and with a cry of "Goodness!", the scientist was taken out of action. After Cobra Commander was defeated by Hawk, Perceptor listened to [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]] tell funny stories about [[Barbecue]]. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}

===IDW comics continuity===
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Perceptor served on the [[Autobot Orbital Command Hub]], acting as a peer to acting-commander [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]. He appeared to know [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] of old, and helped him with his investigation. {{storylink|Spotlight: Blaster}}

[[Image:SpotlightBlaster Perceptor whitestatic.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Cut the crap, Perceptor, and just get the cable back up!]]
He later transferred aboard the ''[[Ark-17]]'', along with [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] and others in a mission to rescue an insane [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] from the crystal planet. Perceptor voiced the general consensus of those who had embarked upon the voyage to attempt to dissuade Springer of the less than optimal, considering resource allotment, military operation he had accepted. {{storylink|Spotlight: Kup}}

Kup was eventually rescued and taken to [[Kimia Facility]] where Perceptor and the scientists there helped repair Kup using [[Pretender]] technology. Overseeing the operation, [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] also had Perceptor secretly install subroutines into Kup that would allow Prowl to have control over the old codger. Though Perceptor opposed this, he followed his orders. Perceptor also was assigned to Kup's unit to keep a supply of [[cigar|cy-gar]]s handy to keep Kup sane. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 15#Everything in Its Right Place|Everything in Its Right Place}}

Perceptor later accompanied Kup on a mission to rescue some captured [[Wrecker]]s and was badly injured during the operation, but was saved by [[Drift (G1)|Drift]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Drift}} After healing from his injuries, Perceptor decided to make some upgrades to his body, making him more useful as a warrior. He gave himself a near-impervious breastplate, aiming arm stabilizers and a monocle-like targeting optic. He demonstrated these to great effect, taking out [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]] in one blast during a rescue of [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 15#Lost & Found|Lost & Found}}

[[Image:Slowmotionmoviewalkahm5.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Like every other tough-guy group walk in the movies...]]
Sporting a decidedly dour demeanor, Perceptor obtained a modicum of prominence on Kup's team. Perceptor opted to become more directly involved in deeply discomfiting the Decepticons... until their inopportune crash-landing on Cybertron. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 5|All Hail Megatron #5}} When some [[Insecticon swarm|swarms of Insecticons]] made an appearance, he once again displayed his disturbing targeting proficiency, inflicting immediate and conclusive damage on one scout with only minimal effort. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 6|All Hail Megatron #6}}

Later, when the Autobots fled from the Swarm, they had planted some explosive charges to several bridges in order to cut off their pursuers. When they passed one of the bridges, Kup ordered Perceptor to shoot the charges, which he did with two small handblasters. However, he was taken out by a dart fired off by a Swarm (who got blasted for its effort). {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 8|All Hail Megatron #8}} He was soon back on his feet, helping the other Autobots set up a defensive turret at their base. This saddened [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], who would rather have had the "old" Perceptor help him and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] repair Optimus Prime. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 9|All Hail Megatron #9}} After almost getting overrun by the Swarm, Perceptor and the other Autobots were rescued by [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], who carried them all to [[Earth]]. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 10|All Hail Megatron #10}}

[[Image:LastStandoftheWreckers2 Perceptor Sniping.jpg|right|200px|thumb|He's a sniperer now; he can't be concerned with the laws of physics!]]
Perceptor was still by Kup's side three years later, by which time both of them had joined the [[Wrecker]]s. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1}}

When they stumbled upon the injured former Wrecker [[Impactor]], Perceptor checked up on him and found a [[deterrence chip]] embedded in his skull. He soon had to switch mindsets from scientist to sniper again, though, as the Wreckers were sent to liberate [[Garrus-9]] from [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]'s clutches. During the initial attack, Perceptor shot down Decepticon jets while hanging upside-down from the Autobots' drop pod. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 2}}

After their drop pod had crash-landed inside Garrus-9, Perceptor and his team found themselves surrounded by Decepticons and confronting Overlord himself. Overlord killed [[Rotorstorm]] right in front of them and told the Wreckers to surrender. Perceptor calmly ordered [[Pyro]] to protect the stowaway [[Verity Carlo]], while he, [[Ironfist]], and [[Topspin (G1)| Topspin]] launched themselves at the Decepticon. Overlord easily thrashed all of them, and upon hearing that there were Wreckers in another part of Garrus-9, offered freedom to any other Decepticon who brought him the head of a Wrecker. The Wreckers beat a hasty retreat as a mob of Decepticons started after them, and Perceptor managed to delay them by sniping and detonating a spare fuel tank they had brought along.

Perceptor and Topspin had to take a moment to deal with a shaken Ironfist’s anxiety over Rotorstorm’s death, then set to finding their main objective; [[Aequitas]]. Perceptor located the chamber in which it was housed and a ravaged [[Fortress Maximus (G1)| Fortress Maximus]], who had been made into a “living lock pick” for the door. Perceptor had the access codes and got everyone in, revealing Aequitas to them.
{{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 3}}

Perceptor explained what Aequitas was to the others, and he quickly set to work on trying to find an access terminal for it. When he finally did locate it, he discovered a problem; Aequitas was protected by a “suicide lock”. Perceptor told the others that someone had to willingly donate their spark to bypass it, and it couldn’t be him, as he was the only one who could operate the supercomputer. After some argument, Ironfist agreed to be the sacrifice, only to be beaten to the punch by Topspin. With Topspin’s death, Perceptor gained access to Aequitas’ system. He copied the hard drive and uploaded it into Ironfist for safekeeping. As Decepticons began to break through the chamber’s door, Perceptor pointed out he could kill them all by triggering their deterrence chips through Aequitas.

[[Image:LastStandoftheWreckers5- Ironfist Perceptor Verity.jpg|left|250px|thumb|]]
Pyro and Verity were against this, as it meant Impactor would die as well, but Perceptor denied Verity a vote and looked to Ironfist for the tie-breaker. Ironfist, having learned the truth of Impactor’s crimes from the Aequitas upload, glumly cast his lot in with Perceptor.
{{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 4}}

Verity continued to argue against it, arguing that the Wreckers as idealized by Ironfist would never take the easy way out. Perceptor changed his mind, deciding that Verity was right and they’ll simply fight their way out. Pyro volunteered to stay behind and buy them time to escape, and once the door was breached, Perceptor and Ironfist slipped by the Decepticons. At Ironfist’s prompting, they headed to Garrus-9’s armory.

Shortly thereafter, Perceptor and the others arrived outside, where the remaining Wreckers were fighting Overlord. As the Decepticon held Springer up with one arm, Perceptor sniped his hand off, forcing him to drop the Wreckers’ leader. But Overlord managed to tear Springer’s face off and blast Perceptor into unconsciousness before finally being defeated by Ironfist, Verity, and the revived Impactor. While no further mention was made of him, it’s most likely Perceptor survived and recovered from his wounds. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 5}}

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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1toy-Perceptor.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Because it's easier to see small things when you have a giant laser cannon aiming at them.]]
*'''Perceptor''' (Autobot, 1985)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''39'''
**''Accessories:'' "Concussion Rifle", missile launcher, 3 missiles

: Formerly a [[Micro Change|Microchange]] MC-20 Micro Scope, Perceptor transforms into a predominantly red, functional microscope. His magnification is limited to 14X<ref>Perceptor's [[instructions]].</ref> due to the relatively crude nature of his lens. In robot mode, Perceptor is armed with a red "Concussion Rifle" and a spring-loaded rocket launcher that can fire one of three red missile-shaped projectiles(functional only in the Takara release).

: A holdover from his Microchange origins, Perceptor can also transform into a 'tank' mode.

: The Japanese version does ''not'' launch missiles from the scope, despite what some sources say.

: There is an odd variant of this toy: some have a more golden-hued chrome than the normal silver. This is not a very common variant.

: The mold was later [[redeco]]ed to make [[Magnificus (G1)|Magnificus]].
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===Transformers Collection===
*'''Cybertron Perceptor''' (Transformers Collection, Japan 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TFC-19'''
: Perceptor was [[Generation 1 reissues|reissued]] in Japan as part of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s ''[[Transformers Collection]]'' line.
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===Classics===
[[Image:ClassicsLOCPerceptor toy.jpg|right|175px|thumb|"I will blow up your whole city. For science."]]
*'''Perceptor''' (Legends, 2006)

: Available as part of the first assortment of ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' ''[[Legends Class|Legends of Cybertron]]'', Perceptor is a [[redeco]] of the ''Legends of Cybertron'' [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]]. He transforms into a BTR-90 armored personnel carrier with a large missile/laser cannon/microscope/telescope.

: This mold was also used to make ''[[Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]].
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===Universe (2008)===
====G1 Series====
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*'''Perceptor''' (2009)
**''Accessories:'' "Concussion Rifle", missile launcher, 3 missiles
: Hasbro did their own reissue of Perceptor as part of the [[Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'' line]]. The [[Toys"R"Us]] [[exclusive]] was issued in a box with an opening front cover and advertised as a "Commemorative Edition", much like the earlier Soundwave and the Insecticons (which were released at the same time as Perceptor).

:Strangely, the spring of the missile launcher was not weakened like most G1 toys, but were straight out omitted from the gun. This makes the missiles totally useless, because they don't even clip into the gun.

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===Generations===
*'''Perceptor''' (Deluxe, 2011)

:Perceptor is based on a combination of ''Generation 1'' Perceptor and [[Perceptor (Animated)|''Animated'' Perceptor]]. The vehicle mode is inspired by the ''Animated'' character's altmode. The toy will be redecoed into [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]]. <ref>http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/botcon-2010-hasbro-designers-panel-170066/</ref>

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==Merchandise==
===Super Collection Figure===
*'''Perceptor''' (2002)
===Heroes of Cybertron===
*'''Perceptor''' (2003)

[[Image:HOC Perceptor.jpg|right|100px|thumb|What's the deal with corn nuts?]]
:Perceptor was released in the fourth wave of the ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'' line as a mostly unaltered version of the Perceptor figurine from the Japanese [[Super Collection Figure]] line, though as a HOC he uses the standard "all clear-blue plastic painted over" coloring process to give him light-piped eyes. He came with the head and sword of the [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] build-a-figurine.
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===Robot Heroes===
*'''Perceptor vs. Hardshell''' (2009)

[[Image:Robotheroesperceptorhardshell.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Now competing on "Iron Chemist"]]
: Part of the fourth wave of ''[[Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'', Perceptor packed versus [[Bombshell (G1)|Hardshell]] as part of the "Generation 1 Series".
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==Notes==
*In the animated portion of Perceptor's original toy commercial, he is presented as being quite small, the size a microscope would be in relation to Prime's robot form, and not growing at all, but remaining just as tiny in robot form.

* A Perceptor [[Action Master]] was planned at one point, but apparently went no further than a concept sketch. Unlike some other Action Masters, the art is based solely on the toy, including its faceplate. It has the distinction of carrying on Perceptor's well-armed legacy, with not just one but TWO shoulder-mounted microscope cannons, arm shields, and a large handgun <ref>[[Transformers Generations Deluxe]], p110</ref>. The figure may have been intended as a pilot or driver for an Action Master vehicle, as the handgun has handlebars jutting off either side. Or perhaps the aforementioned munition was engineered to be wielded in an akimbo manner.

*The initial inspiration for Perceptor came from the anime series [[wikipedia:Armored_Trooper_Votoms|''Armored Trooper Votoms'']]. [[Shinji Aramaki]], designing toys for Takara at the time, liked the microscope look of the heads of the mecha from that series and applied it in a more literal sense with the Microchange toy, but his involvement ended at the conceptual stage.

* Like a lot of other Transformers, Perceptor was never released in the UK.{{fact}}. As a result, the Commemorative Edition was the first version sold in the country and was an Amazon exclusive.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Autobot/Perceptor/perceptor.htm Perceptor at TFU.info]
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Perceptor Perceptor's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

==Footnotes==
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Omega Sentinel (Animated)

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:''Omega Sentinels were [[Autobot]]s from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''
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The '''Omega Sentinels''' were a mass-produced line of weapons of mass destruction sharing the same [[body-type]] as [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]]. They were created as part of [[Project Omega]]. Prior to the Sentinels proper, at least four prototypes were created. The 1/12th scale Mark IV prototype, [[Omega S.P.R.E.E.M.]], is an example.

==Known Omega Sentinels==
*'''[[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]]'''
:'''Ship Codename:''' Orion
:'''Bonded To:''' [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (originally meant to be [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]])
::First of the Omega Sentinels. See main articles for details.

*'''[[Alpha Supreme]]'''
:'''Ship Codename:''' Axalon
:'''Bonded To:''' [[Primal Major]]
::Plunged into a [[black hole]], apparently due to sabotage by [[Sideways (RID)|General Sideways]].

*'''[[Beta Supreme]]'''
:'''Ship Codename:''' Battlestar
:'''Bonded To:''' [[Big Bang Prime]]
::Destroyed by [[Blackout (Animated)|Blackout]] during the [[Battle for Iacon]].

*'''[[Gamma Supreme]]'''
:'''Ship Codename:''' Gung Ho
:'''Bonded To:''' [[Longrack Major]]
::Offlined during the [[Battle for Iacon]].

*'''[[Delta Supreme]]'''
:'''Ship Codename:''' Darkstar
:'''Bonded To:''' [[Silverbolt Major]]
::Shot down over [[Velocitron]] by the ''[[Revenge (Animated)|Revenge]].'' Rebuilt into artillery platform. Destroyed in bombing raid led by [[Blackout (Animated)|Blackout]].

*'''[[Epsilon Supreme]]'''
:'''Ship Codename:''' Eclipse
:'''Bonded To:''' [[Scattershot Major]]
::Rammed Decepticon ship ''[[Victory (Animated)|Victory]]'' at [[Floron III]]; did not survive.

*'''[[Zeta Supreme]]'''
:'''Ship Codename:''' Xantium
:'''Bonded To:''' [[Impactor Major]]
::Home to the [[Wrecker]]s. Destroyed by the Sentinel-hunting [[Decepticon Heavy Brigade]] (with [[Blackout (Animated)|Blackout]] only survivor).

*'''[[Eta Supreme]]'''
:'''Ship Codename:''' Hyperion
:'''Bonded To:''' [[Hot Spot Major]]
::Destroyed by [[Blackout (Animated)|Blackout]] during the [[Battle for Iacon]].

*'''[[Theta Supreme]]'''
:'''Ship Codename:''' Tsunami
:'''Bonded To:''' [[Railspike Major]]
::Crippled over [[Beta 4|Beta IV]] by plasma mine/blaster; destroyed by [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] while being towed away.

*'''[[Iota Supreme]]'''
:'''Ship Codename:''' Iron Hope
:'''Bonded To:''' [[Wedge Major]]
::Spearheaded attack at the [[Battle for Omnitron]], taking heavy damage. Destroyed by [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] while being repaired.

*'''[[Kappa Supreme]]'''
:'''Ship Codename:''' Chromia X
:'''Bonded To:''' [[Override Prime]]
::Only known female Sentinel. Destroyed by [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] while escorting supply convoy.

*'''[[Sigma Supreme]]'''
:'''Ship Codename:''' Steelhaven
:'''Bonded To:''' [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]]
::Last of the Omega Sentinels. Terribly wounded during the [[Battle for Iacon]], and placed in emergency [[stasis lock|stasis]] by [[Perceptor (Animated)|Perceptor]]. Now serves as flagship of Autobot navy, and has been enhanced with a [[Vanguard Booster (Animated)|Vanguard Booster]] module.

==Notes==
* Most of the Sentinels' bond-partners are Animated versions of important Autobot leaders from other continuities. [[Optimus Primal]] is the heroic Maximal leader of the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]], [[Big Bang]] was originally going to be the [[Supreme Commander]] in ''[[Zone]],'' [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], [[Scattershot]], and [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] are [[Special Team]] leaders, [[Impactor]] has led the [[Wrecker]]s, [[Railspike (RID)|Railspike]] is leader of [[Team Bullet Train]], [[Wedge]] leads the [[Build Team]], [[Override (Cybertron)|Override]] is the leader of [[Velocitron]], and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] has led the Autobots entire, from time to time.
** God knows why [[Longrack (BWN)|Longrack]] made the list.

* As you can see, [[Blackout (Animated)|Blackout]] is very good at destroying Sentinels.

==See also==
* [[Lugnut Supreme]]

[[Category:Animated characters]]
[[Category:Autobots]]
[[Category:Profile-only characters]]

Skids (ROTF)

2010-09-17T19:46:55Z

Rideonshootingstarxx: /* Notes */ removing worthless trivia

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{{disambig3|Skids}}
:''Skids is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]] portion of the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].

[[Image:ROTF_Skids_promo.jpg|thumb|300px|Look, it's that robot child actor that grew up and robbed a convenience store.]]

The dopey-looking '''Skids''' spends a lot of his time arguing with his [[The Twins|twin]] brother [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] and trying to outdo him in crazy stunts, all while believing ''he's'' the responsible, level headed one. In his own mind, everything dangerous and dopey he does is simply making him a better warrior. And that means one day, one ''glorious'' day, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] will ''notice'' him! Prime even looking in his direction makes him babble, fall over, and generally fail to make an impression, but that won't stop him trying! Underneath it all, he harbors a secret fear that Mudflap is actually the superior warrior of the pair... which is probably true.<ref>[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/Battle-Bios.cfm Hasbro Skids Battle Bio]</ref>

Skids' hyper-reactive optical imaging scanner allows him to process tactical information faster than ''anyone'' (except his twin). Add that to his supreme firepower and his unpredictable actions, and he's a pain in the aft for any [[Decepticon]] who wants to counter him! And that's only if they spot him. He changes alt-mode so much it's hard to keep track of him. On Earth, he's already been part of an ice-cream truck (combining with his brother), and more recently a Chevy Beat, but that's unlikely to last very long.

{{bigquote|This is what you call blendin' in wit' the landscape... like a ninja.|A less-than-successful Skids tries to conceal himself,'' [[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''}}
==Fiction==
===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
{{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 6}}
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[[Image:Alliance04 icecreamtruck.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Skids is the one in front.]]
Skids and Mudflap arrived on [[Earth]] as part of Autobot reinforcements that [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] requested. They both chose the [[combiner|combined]] form of an old, beat-up ice cream truck. The newly-arrived Autobots joined the human-Transformer military alliance [[NEST]] and began training in earnest on [[Diego Garcia]], but soon had to be deployed to [[Shanghai]], [[China]]. {{Storylink|Alliance issue 4|Alliance #4}}
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===Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics===

Skids first met [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] when they were about to be thrown into a [[smelting pool]]. {{Storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.2|Dogfight!}} He and his twin are well known for tall tales and messing about, enough so that people have stopped believing their claims. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.3|Learning Curve}}

[[Image:Titan2-1_Skids.jpg|right|thumb|350px|You know what? ''You'' tell him he looks dopey.]]

Skids and Mudflap happily stayed on Cybertron, going through intensive training (which ''totally'' wasn't goofing off) and having extreme-sports contests. Neither wanted to leave their homeworld, and they were the only Transformers on it until [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] turned up with [[Purple generic drones|a Decepticon army]]. When they heard him mention a [[Solar Harvester|star harvester]], they realised they should tell someone...but Skids worked out the fastest way to do that would be in person, meaning they'd have to leave their homeworld.

The decision was made for them when the Decepticons attacked. Skids angrily blew away some of the jet-drones when they shot his brother, using an impressive missile barrage, and used transform-and-shoot moves to keep their pursuers away...but he realised this was delaying the inevitable. They fled the planet, with Skids remembering to head for Earth, the site of Optimus's message. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

[[Image:Titan2_twinsbeats.jpg|left|thumb|200px|...actually, no, tell him to ''put some clothes on. JESUS!'']]

The twins made it to [[Earth]] soon, crash-landing in [[Toronto]], [[Canada]]. On the way in, Mudflap hit a [[Wikipedia: CN Tower|big tower]], but Skids felt it wasn't that big a deal. They swam their way to Ball's Falls, where they picked up Earth alternate modes and set out to try and find local Autobots and warn them about the solar harvester.

Driving along the wrong side of the Interstate (Skids wanted a challenge!), the twins were attacked by the Seeker [[Ransack (ROTF)|Ransack]], trying to kill them on [[the Fallen]]'s orders. While Skids dissed Ransack's retro alt mode, he pursued them across [[Wikipedia: North by Northwest|open countryside]]. With their energon levels low, the airborne enemy kept up with the twins, and Skids soon collapsed, unable to run any further. He and his brother would've both died, if not for Bumblebee arriving and forcing the Seeker into retreat. {{Storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.2|Dogfight!}}

[[Image:Titan2-3_Mudflap_face.jpg|right|thumb|"I hear you're racist now, Father! How'd you get involved in that sorta thing?"]]

Now living at [[NEST]]'s [[California]]n base with Bumblebee as their minder, Skids and Mudflap repeatedly asked to deliver their info to [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]—and only Optimus, much to [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide's]] annoyance. He was more annoyed when they ambushed him (Skids tipping crates on him!) to get to Optimus...who, as it turns out, was away on a need-to-know mission anyway.

After this defeat, and with Ironhide having bluntly told them nobody believed them, they desperately asked to join in a NEST op in [[Las Vegas]]...getting turned down, because they were too crap to get involved. Annoyed with this, Skids went along with Mudflap's suggestion to go to Vegas and show Ironhide just what they could do! What they could do, it turned out, was screw up a successful mission by freeing [[Grindor (ROTF)|a captured Decepticon]] by trying to "shoot him down". Skids was left mortified. Ironhide, recognising what they were trying to do, told him that maybe they could work on training the twins not to jump in without looking, and that the trick was to learn from mistakes. The twins claimed they'd try. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.3|Learning Curve}}

They soon wished they hadn't, as they were condemned to NEST's [[United Kingdom|Orkney Islands]] base for days of sim-com (simulated combat) training under [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]. Skids had a nagging feeling this was just an excuse to keep them away from the main action, and both protested to Sideswipe that they could handle Decepticons. Him pointing out their failure with Grindor shut them up. However, the training was interrupted when [[Ravage (ROTF)|a huge metal cat monster]] broke into the base, KOed Sideswipe, and tried to eat the twins!

[[Image:Titan2-4_SkidsRavage.jpg|left|thumb|250px| That's a bad Mister Kitty!]]

They transformed and fled, drawing the creature into a trap where Skids used his weaponry to bring the roof down on it. When that failed, he deferred to and helped Mudflap carry out his plan of trapping the beast in a sim-com session on maximum setting. With that done, and with it revealed that the creature was sent after them by another Decepticon, they tried to fill in the revived Sideswipe... except the creature had gone, leaving their instructor with the view that ''they'd'' knocked him out in revenge for their training. Between that and Grindor, he thinks they're up to something... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.4|New Tricks}}

[[Image:Titan2-5_twinsHEstartedit.jpg|right|thumb|Which one of you left the tap running!?]]

The twins were later taken to Diego Garcia, and ecstatic to learn Optimus was coming there! Sideswipe stated he didn't know about their info and wasn't here to talk to them, cutting off Skids as he attempted to mention the [[the Fallen|"dude they call the F-"]]. While their trainer told them how they weren't to see Prime, the twins cunningly drove off when he wasn't looking and headed for the base's runway. The mood soured when Skids noticed Mudflap was planning to pinch the credit for their intel, and soon the two of them were having a big fight and slagging match on the runway...

And so their first meeting with Optimus Prime was to be yelled at for conduct unbecoming of an Autobot warrior. (Mudflap started it!)

That was when [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] made his attack, blasting at the distracted Prime. Skids made the situation worse by accidentally tripping over Optimus, preventing him from taking control, and so Scorponok liberated the prisoner [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]. Sideswipe, watching from a distance, believed Skids had done that ''deliberately'', and convinced Prime that the twins were traitors: they must have helped Scorponok get here and now assisted him in his mission, on top of freeing Grindor and attacking him at Orkney! Skids and Mudflap protested they were being set up because they knew too much, but it fell on deaf ears as they were taken into custody. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.5|Reversal of Fortune}}

[[Image:Titan6_Samabducted.jpg|left|thumb|250px|The car picks the driver.]]

Following this, the decision was made to exile the twins into orbit. A disgruntled Skids remarked they should've minded their own business and ignored the Fallen, but help was at hand... from the Decepticons? Freed by a Decepticon attack, an angry Skids realised they'd been framed ''again'' and now the Autobots would think they were massive traitors. The two went underground to clear their names, and hit on the foolproof plan of abducting [[Sam Witwicky]] from his house and pleading with him to tell their story to Optimus. All this did was cause Bumblebee to launch an attack to rescue Sam. Skids spat out the kid, remarking he'd need to clean his seats to get the organic off them, but that didn't stop Bumblebee holding him at gunpoint...

...until Soundwave arrived, gunning down the Autobot and offering the twins sanctuary in the Decepticons. Skids quickly agreed {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.6|Outlaw Blues}}, intending to get into a position where they could whallop a Decepticon and hand him over to the Autobots to clear their names. After some fun times of annoying the other Decepticons, the twins were despatched to bring in an AWOL member; Skids was annoyed to find Mudflap didn't know they were just pretending, and hoped Soundwave would be sending a minder (either Grindor or Sideways) they could ambush.

[[Image:Titan_deceptitwins.jpg|thumb|right|250px|''Two of these things are not like the other...'']]

The AWOL member turned out to be Ransack. Skids quickly lied to him, saying they'd ''totally'' been sent by [[the Fallen]] to bring him in from the cold. This deception worked, until the Decepticon minders attacked... both of them! Skids ordered Mudflap after Sideways while he launched suppressive fire on Grindor and dodged each shot. Unfortunately, the chopper bugged out with Ransack held captive. While the twins had captured Sideways, Skids wasn't satisfied: he was tired of taking the fall and being pushed around. He decided they were going to go gunning for Soundwave and bring down his whole conspiracy! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.7|Turnabout}}

[[Image:Titan2-8_twinsanywaytowelcome.jpg|left|thumb|350px|]]

Upon returning to the Phobos base, it suddenly occured to Skids that they had no plan... but, as Mudflap wisely pointed out to him, that never stopped them before! The twins stormed the base, but initial success was undone when Starscream and Soundwave fought back. Luckily, the two Decepticons were forced to run off after Ransack, who'd fled talking about reporting to the Fallen. Skids was left feeling that they'd just seen part of a really big, confusing picture. Unfortunately, this was just a short respite, as the twins discovered just what that army massing on Cybertron had been planning: to arrive at the Phobos base en route to Earth...

The twins stood ready to make their last stand, and Skids told his brother it had been an honour to work with him... when Optimus arrived with the other Autobots! The twins had been tracked to Phobos and to their shock, the other Autobots had realised they weren't traitors and were even apologising! And with all the street cred of uncovering the Phobos base, the twins were welcomed to the Autobots' Earth division. Skids briefly wondered if they should mention "the ''Fa-''" again, but was convinced not to by Mudflap. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.8|Back-to-Back}}
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===''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tom Kenny]] (English), [[Tomokazu Seki]] (Japan), [[Michael Pan]] (German), [[Vladimiro Conti]] (Italian)

[[Image:ROTF-icecreamtruck.jpg|thumb|left|250px|When the kiddies hear my bell, they all know to run like hell...]]

Skids and his brother were part of a taskforce deployed in Shanghai to root out Decepticon activity. In their combined ice cream truck [[alternate mode]], they rolled through the evacuated zone, taunting and trying to lure out the Decepticons in the area. When the Decepticons did show themselves, they gave chase to the escaping [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]. However, their slow and ungainly choice of vehicle could not keep up with the fugitive, and they rounded a corner too sharply, tearing their combined form in half. Even though Mudflap took the blame for the separation, Skids still berated (and smacked) his brother for his failure. Skids reminded his brother that they were in a combat situation and wondered what was wrong with him.

[[Image:ROTF Twins truck robot modes.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Yipee! It's Mister Whippy!]]
Upon arrival at [[Diego Garcia]] and NEST headquarters, the twins received new, separate alternate modes. A fight broke out between the two of them over which vehicle they wanted, and Skids "called" the [[Wikipedia: Chevy Beat|Beat]], resigning Mudflap to the form of a [[Wikipedia: Chevy Trax|Trax]].

Later, the twins, along with the other NEST-allied Autobots, were dispatched to look for [[Sam Witwicky]] when Decepticons were detected heading towards his college. After [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] was killed by [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], the twins helped the Autobot force fight off the Decepticon leader and [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], allowing Sam, [[Leo Spitz]], [[Mikaela Banes]] and [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] to make good their escape. Skids and Mudflap met up with Bumblebee and the humans, and together they fled to a remote location. After teasing Leo for a while for his panic attack, Sam inquired whether one of them could interpret the Cybertronic symbols he had become obsessed with, but the twins claimed that they couldn't read the ancient Language of the Primes, and weren't much into reading, anyway.

[[Image:ROTF_movie_SkidsMudflap_bigmother.jpg|thumb|left|250px|"Yousome people gonna die??" "Yep. Wesa screwed."]]

With the help of the Decepticon [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] and former [[Sector Seven]] agent [[Seymour Simmons]], the group made their way to the Smithsonian, where the humans reactivated the venerable ex-Decepticon [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]. He teleported them all to [[Egypt]] before telling them the tale of the original [[Dynasty of Primes|Primes]], the [[Solar harvester]], which had the potential to destroy all life on Earth, and finally, the [[Matrix of Leadership]], the key to activating the harvester, and possibly the only thing that could bring Optimus Prime back to life. When the Matrix could not be found at the ruins of [[Petra]], the twins began arguing with each other over why they were following Sam, which soon escalated into physical violence. As their brawl nearly crushed the humans, Bumblebee picked up the twins in each hand, slammed them together, and threw them outside the ruins, which Skids considered to be just rude. Fortunately, their bickering created a hole in the wall where the [[Tomb of the Primes]] lay, and with it, the Matrix.

[[Image:ROTF Skids toothless.jpg|thumb|right|250px]]
Making their way back to the Pyramids where NEST waited with Optimus Prime's body, the group came under attack by Starscream. Mudflap, Skids, Leo and Simmons acted as a decoy to lure the Decepticons away from Sam and Mikaela. Unfortunately, they attracted the attention of the [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicons]], who [[combiner|combined]] into [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] and attacked by vacuuming up loose objects such as sand, cars, and Mudflap. As Skids mourned the loss of his twin, Simmons realized that the safest place to be was directly under the giant. But Mudflap had survived being vacuumed up by Devastator, and to escape he had blasted a hole through its head. To buy the humans time to escape, Skids clambered up Devastator's [[Hightower (ROTF)|right forepaw]] to assist Mudflap. Skids threw a cable to Mudflap, who grabbed it and swung off Devastator's head onto his arm. However, once they landed, Mudflap accidentally shot Skids in the face, knocking them off the arm and knocking out Skids' gold tooth in the process. At [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s command, Devastator continued onto the [[Great Pyramid of Giza]]. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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===Toy bios===

Skids and his brother idolise Optimus Prime and the other great Autobot heroes, and joined the battle on Earth solely to be part of their crew. {{storylink|Mudflap#Deluxe Class Toys|Deluxe Mudflap}} In an early mission, however, they found themselves used as guinea pigs for experimental combination technology; trying to ''stay'' combined in their gestalt vehicle mode took up more of their focus than fighting Decepticons! {{storylink|#Deluxe Class Toys|Autobot Skids and Mudflap}}

Believing himself to be the "smart one" of the twins, Skids constantly tries to impress Autobot High Command with his <strike>inane, random babbling about everything</strike> insightful comments about things. {{storylink|Mudflap#Deluxe Class Toys|Deluxe Mudflap}} This chatter blows any stealth mission he's part of, so Ironhide has cunningly assigned Skids and his brother to create diversions (far, ''far'' away from him). {{storylink|#Robot Replicas|Robot Replica Skids}}

===IDW ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics===

When [[Theodore Galloway]] and his unit were attacked by [[Ransack (ROTF)|Ransack]] en route to investigate the mysterious activities of the enigmatic [[Initiative]] at [[Hoover Dam]], the Autobots dispatched Skids and Mudflap to Galloway's aid. Together, they held Ransack off until a N.E.S.T. strike team could arrive and finish him off. The Twins then accompanied Galloway and the soldiers to Hoover Dam, and while the Initiative forces had already cleared out, Skids and Mudflap realized what they had been after: residal energy from the [[AllSpark (Movie)|AllSpark]] that had been kept there. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 4|Nefarious #4}} To uncover the Initiative's secret goals, the Autobot soon allied themselves with [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]], and followed his lead to the Initiative's base of operations in [[Crater Lake]], [[Oregon]]. Skids and Mudflap were deployed to attack the base from the east; when they were met with resistance in the form of the Initiative's troops, they took them out of the equation by disabling the advanced weaponry they were wielding with precision blasts. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 5|Nefarious #5}}

==Toys==
===''Revenge of the Fallen''===

====Legends Class Toys====
[[Image:ROTF-toy_Legends_Skids.jpg|250px|thumb|For some reason, [[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]] has no interest in [[Triple Takeover|making him into a chair]] anytime soon.]]
*'''Autobot Skids''' (Legends, 2009/2010)

: Legends Class Skids is a simple, affordable small-scale toy. Amusingly, just like his brother Mudflap, the [[kibble]] on his arm actually works as his big deformed hand, only grossly oversized.
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[[Image:TargetLegendsOffroadSkids.jpg|thumb|250px|Because what you want when you're offroading is a front-drive hatchback city car.]]
*'''Rally Mudflap and Offroad Skids''' (Legends multi-pack, 2010)

:This redeco of Legends Skids features white stripes, yellow headlights and various other changed details. He was packaged with a redecoed Mudflap as a [[Target]] exclusive two-pack, and was part of the [[N.E.S.T. Global Alliance]] [[subline imprint]].

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====Deluxe Class Toys====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-SkidsDeluxe.jpg|250px|thumb|Kids, never try to deflect a fusion cannon blast with your face.]]
*'''Autobot Skids''' (Deluxe, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-10'''

:Skids was released as part of the second wave of deluxe class ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' action figures. He transforms into a green Chevy Beat Concept car with black stripe designs on either side and a black hood. His vehicle form features transparent blue windows. In robot mode, Skids features a "[[Mech Alive]]" [[gimmick]] that makes the fenders on the sides of his chest push out and his head move forward when the front grill is pushed inwards. Moving the head up and down through this gimmick may suggest it's meant to make him appear as though he is talking, but the packaging only says "Moving Armor Panels".

:Skids's right arm is larger than his left, just like his movie counterpart's. It features a small cannon that, when pressed, both makes the cannon stick out in a position more suitable for firing and activates Skids's "Punching Robot Fist" action. Despite this, his right hand is surprisingly poseable.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/Skids/skids.htm More information on Skids at TFU.info]''
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[[Image:ROTF_Deluxe_Skids&Mudflap_toy.jpg|thumb|250px|Hey look, it's the robot child actor who grew up and ''became'' a convenience store.]]
*'''Autobot Skids And Mudflap''' (Deluxe, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-20'''

:This two-pack of the twin Autobot brothers can combine into a single, old-fashioned ice cream truck. The vehicle splits in half right down the middle of its chassis (similar to how it does in the film) to create the two small robot forms. Other than the transformation, the toy features no [[gimmick]]s.

:Mudflap's heels are too thick for his feet to fold up properly in vehicle mode, though this can be fixed by trimming them. Also, this toy may be the first Transformer to feature the typeface Comic Sans, which is used to write "MADE FRESH FOR YOU" across both front wheel hubs. But that's on Skids's half, so Mudflap is partly absolved here.

:Both Skids and Mudflap have sculpted rust detailing all over the Ice cream tuck, but for some reason, they are not painted.

:Amusingly, the ice cream truck accommodates [[Human Alliance]] human figures ''really'' well.

:Hasbro has reported that this figure has been [[shortpacked]], and will be re-released in later waves.
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[[Image:ROTFDesertVersionSkidsAndMudflap.jpg|thumb|250px|Muddy Skids. Wait, ew.]]
*'''Desert Version Skids''' (Deluxe, 2009)
:This version of Skids has a sandblasted deco to closer match his onscreen appearance during the scenes in Egypt. It is only available in Japan with purchase of the Revenge of the Fallen DVD.
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[[Image:TRUShanghaiShowdownSkidsAndMudflap.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
*'''Shanghai Showdown''' (Multi-pack, 2010)
:The twins in this set have additional decals for you to put on (save for the "suck my popsicle" slogan) and painted rust and "Caution Children" for the ice cream truck mode. They come with a redecoed version of [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]].

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====Fast Action Battlers====
[[Image:ROTF_FAB_Missile_Blast_Skids.jpg|thumb|250px|That's not going to pick up any [[Charlene (cowgirl)|cowgirls]] any time soon.]]
*'''Missile Blast Skids''' (Fast Action Battler, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:''
**''Accessories:'' Missile

:[[Fast Action Battlers]] Missile Blast Skids is quite similar in transformation engineering to [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Fast Action Battlers|Plasma Punch/Plasma Blast Bumblebee]], and even has a similar [[gimmick]] in having one arm being a spring-loaded projectile launcher.

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_FAB_OffroadSkids.jpg|thumb|right|250px|]]
*'''Offroad Skids''' (Fast Action Battler, 2010)
**''Japanese ID number:''
**''Accessories:'' Missile

:A [[redeco]] of Missile Blast Skids with different details, such as silver on the back of his car mode, Autobot insignias on his doors and his name on his windshield.

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====Human Alliance====
{{anchor|haskids2009}}[[Image:ROTFtoy-SkidsHumanAlliance.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Then again...]]
*'''Autobot Skids / Arcee / Mikaela Banes''' (Human Alliance, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-25'''
**''Accessories:'' Missile
:Human Alliance Skids comes with a posable figure of [[Mikaela Banes]] that can fit inside in Skids's vehicle mode, plugging into either of his seats via a small hole in her back. In robot mode, Skids's seats end up on his arms, and Mikaela can still sit in either of them; Skids's right arm also features a spring-loaded missile launcher that can rotate into place in front of the seat, with flip-up firing conrols for Mikaela to take charge of. Mikaela can also stand on a platform in the small of Skids's back (via peg-holes on her feet), manning a small non-firing minigun that flips out over the top of Skids's head. Finally, Skids's left palm also contains a peg, meaning Mikaela can securely stand or sit in her big buddy's hand.

:Skids also comes packaged with a transforming figure of [[Arcee (Movie)#Human Alliance|Arcee]], who can also be ridden by Mikaela.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/HASkids/skids.htm More information on Human Alliance Skids at TFU.info]''

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====Gravity Bots====
[[Image:ROTF_GravityBots_Skids.jpg|thumb|250px|From car to novelty trash can in the blink of an eye!]]
*'''Autobot Skids''' (Gravity Bot, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''???'''
:An extremely simplified version of Skids with a small tab on the bottom of his feet that when he placed on his feet will automatically transform him to robot mode. There is also one on his back side that when placed upon will transform him to his vehicle mode.
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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:ROTF-toy_RobotReplicas_Skids.jpg|thumb|200px|]]
*'''Autobot Skids''' (Robot Replicas, 2009)

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===Transformers (2010)===
====Legends Class toys====
[[Image:TF2010toyline_LegendsTunerSkids.JPG|right|thumb|250px|The white...]]
*'''Tuner Skids''' (Legends, 2010)
**''Japanese ID number:''

:Tuner Skids is a [[redeco]] of ROTF [[Legends Class]] Autobot Skids, colored similarly to Fast Action Battlers Offroad Skids.
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====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:TF2010-toy_DeluxeTunerSkids.jpg|thumb|right|300px|...and the black]]
*'''Tuner Skids''' (Deluxe, 2010)
**''Japanese ID number:''

: Tuner Skids is a [[redeco]] of ROTF Deluxe Class Autobot Skids (Chevrolet Beat version) in black and a darker shade of green. His license plate says "1H8CONS," and on the back is a bumper sticker that reads "I helped make the Fallen falled!"

*'''High-Speed Spy Battle''' (Figure multi-pack, 2010)

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==Merchandise==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
====R.P.M.s - Robot Powered Machines====
=====Battle Series=====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-SkidsRPM.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I ran myself over!]]
*'''Mudflap vs Autobot Skids''' (R.P.M. Mini-Vehicle, 2009)
**''Number:'' '''04 of 08'''

: Number four in a series of eight [[Robot Powered Machines]] [[Mini-Vehicle]] versus packs, Skids is packaged against his twin, Mudflap. He's an untransformable Hot Wheels-like car, unless you count his robot mode being sculpted and painted onto the underside of him.

: This toy is also available with the Devastator Showdown track set.

=====Track Set=====
*'''Devastator Showdown''' (R.P.M. Mini-Vehicle Track Set, 2009)

: A Mini-Vehicle of Skids also comes with this Devastator-themed race track set.

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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:RobotHeroes_SkidsMegatron.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Megatron thinks that the twins are annoying too.]]
*'''Autobot Skids and Megatron''' (2009)

:''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' Skids is a [[super deformed]] figure with limited articulation in his neck and shoulders. He came in a two-pack with [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]].

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[[Image:rotf_desertdevastation_rh.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Give me your fac—oh wait, wrong article.]]
*'''Desert Devastation''' (Multi-pack, 2010)

:Both Skids and Mudflap are sculpted in their vehicle modes for this box-set that also includes [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] and [[William Lennox]].

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[[Image:Robotheroestwinswidewaysprimedemolishorsideswipe.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Pink smoke? Should probably get that looked at.]]
*'''Shanghai Shootout''' (Multi-pack, 2010)
:Shanghai Shootout replicates the opening action scene from ''Revenge of the Fallen'', featuring figurines of [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] and Skids in their combined ice cream truck mode, [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] (vehicle mode), [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]], and [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]] (vehicle mode). Demolishor is a slightly-oversized figure and the centerpiece of the box set.

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==Notes==
*The ice cream truck is apparently based on a heavily customized 1930s Chevrolet truck.{{fact|confirmation needed}} [[Ben Procter]] apparently lifted the color scheme and deco for his early concept design for the ice cream truck<ref name="procterrotf">[http://conceptartworld.com/?p=2772 Ben Procter's ROTF concept art at Concept Art World.]</ref> ''directly'' off a photo of an [[Australia]]n ice cream truck that had been added to the Wikipedia article for "ice cream van" in February 2006<ref name="wikipediaice">[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Cream_Truck_Sydney_Australia_-_crop.png Photo of an Australian ice cream truck at Wikipedia, added in February 2006.]</ref>, down to identical placement and design of the fonts and graphics. The details were later slightly tweaked for the final design that can be seen in the movie... but only very slightly so.
*One of the decals on the ice cream truck's side that was created specifically for the movie reads "([[Decepticon]] [[insignia]]) suck my popsicle." Classy. Too bad the toy does not. (Because, you know, for kids...)
[[Image:ROTFSmartCarTwinConcept.jpg|thumb|250px|Skids and Mudflap would never get their Larry.]]
*The Twins' final alternate modes in the film, the Chevrolet Beat (Skids) and Chevrolet Trax (Mudflap), were designed by General Motors as small car concept vehicles. At one point in the film's pre-production, another small car, the [[wikipedia:Mercedes-Benz|Mercedes-Benz]] [[wikipedia:Smart (automobile)|Smart]], was evidently considered as an option for a film character; concept art of a "third twin" based on it appears in various sections of the ''Revenge'' DVD special features, always in close proximity to concept art of Skids and Mudflap. Whether it was meant to be a third character related to Skids and Mudflap or if it was supposed to be used in place of one of them is unknown. What '''is''' known is that [[Hasbro]] has had great difficultly in the past trying to get likeness licenses from German automakers, which is probably why the vehicle/character was dropped.

*The Chevrolet Beat, Skids's upgraded [[alternate mode]], goes into production in 2011 as the Chevrolet [[Spark]].

*The Twins have been accused of being derogatory racial stereotypes of inner-city African-Americans. Writers [[Roberto Orci]] and [[Alex Kurtzman]] claim to have followed [[Michael Bay]]'s lead with the characters, while Bay says voice actors [[Tom Kenny]] (Skids) and [[Reno Wilson]] (Mudflap) came up with their schtick on their own. Reportedly, Wilson (who is African-American himself) was sad to learn his way of speaking was apparently offensive to himself.<ref name="jive">[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/24/transformers-jivetalking-_n_220005.html The Huffington Post's coverage of the furor over the Twins]</ref> Orci and Kurtzman said the twins' portrayal was not in their script, that they were disappointed in the characters and admitted that they could understand if others were offended by the characters.<ref>[http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/orci-and-kurtzman-respond-to-claims-of-racism-in-transformers-2.php Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman respond to claims of racism on ''Revenge of the Fallen'', Film School Rejects, June 24, 2009]</ref>
*In [[Tales of the Fallen issue 6 |''Tales of the Fallen'' issue 6]], it's revealed that the Twins' processors were messed up by the Decepticon medic [[Flatline]]. So... now they act the way they do in the film because they're ''brain-damaged''? This is not exactly ''helping''.





*Amusingly, [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/Battle-Bios.cfm Hasbro's Battle Bio] for Skids lists his arch-enemy as... [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]].
*Skid's name is only mentioned once on-screen (by Mudflap right before he loses his grip on Skids when Devastator is trying to suck them up).

==References==
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[[Category:Autobots]]
[[Category:Combiners]]
[[Category:NEST]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen characters]]
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]
[[Category:Transformers 2010 toyline characters]]

Mudflap (ROTF)

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{{disambig3|Mudflap}}
:''Mudflap is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]] portion of the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].

[[Image:ROTF_Mudflap_promo.jpg|thumb|350px|Despite appearances, his chest is not someone's face.]]

The goofy-looking '''Mudflap''' and his [[The Twins|twin]] [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] are a result of a split spark, and share a close bond accordingly. Mudflap is hyperactive, noisy, argumentative, and eager... not that different from his brother. He's so desperate to impress that he comes off as having the robot equivalent of ADHD. <ref>[[Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe]]</ref> When they're not trying to outdo each other in crazy, daredevil antics, the twins are usually bickering with each other over anything. Like Skids, he possesses hyper-reactive optical imaging scanners, making him able to process tactical information faster than any other Transformer (except Skids).<ref>[[Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Skids Profile, Transformers #1 (Titan, Vol.2)]]</ref> As irritated as Mudflap gets from Skids' vocal one-upmanship, he realizes that they actually work best as a team.<ref>[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/Battle-Bios.cfm Hasbro Mudflap Battle Bio]</ref>

Each twin can transform into smaller, separate vehicles or combine into a single, more durable alternate mode, <ref>[[Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Skids Profile, Transformers #1 (Titan, Vol.2)]]—greatly expanded from his ''[[Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe]]'' bio</ref> but whether they can combine similarly into a larger robot mode remains to be seen. Upon first arriving on [[Earth]], Mudflap and his brother took the form of a beat-up old ice cream truck, but he later [[Scanning|scanned]] a Chevy Trax for a disguise. That being said, it's unlikely the twins will keep an alt-mode for long.

{{bigquote|Nobody messes with the twins!|Mudflap while doing damage to [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]], ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]''}}

==Fiction==
===Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics===

[[Image:Titan2-1_Mudflap.jpg|left|thumb|Quick! We have to get to auditions before the cool characters!]]

Sometimes, he has a small forcefield in vehicle mode. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.7|Turnabout}}

Mudflap first met [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] when they were about to be thrown into a [[smelting pool]]. It was fun! {{Storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.2|Dogfight!}}

Mudflap and Skids happily stayed on Cybertron, going through intensive training (which ''totally'' wasn't goofing off) and having extreme-sports contests. Neither wanted to leave their homeworld, and they were the only Transformers on it until [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] turned up with [[Purple generic drones|a Decepticon army]]. When they heard him mention a [[Solar Harvester|star harvester]], Mudflap said they should tell someone...but was a bit upset to find out the fastest way to do that would be to leave Cybertron and tell the Autobots in person.

The decision was made for them when the Decepticons attacked. Mudflap took some hits, causing Skids to obliterate the Decepticons responsible, but for the most part, their training paid off. However, he realised they were running out of places to run, so he followed his brother in leaving the plane, with only one course of action remaining: follow the message [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] had beamed into space and head for [[Earth]]. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}}

The twins made it to Earth soon, crash-landing in Toronto, Canada. On the way in, Mudflap hit a [[Wikipedia: CN Tower|big tower]], and was a bit guilty since he knew how these primitive luddite humans still needed radio waves (the saps). They swam their way to Ball's Falls, where they picked up Earth alternate modes and, Mudflap taking charge, set out to try and find local Autobots and warn them about the solar harvester.

Driving along the wrong side of the Interstate, the twins were attacked by the [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seeker]] [[Ransack (ROTF)|Ransack]], who pursued them across open countryside, trying to kill them on Starscream's orders. Mudflap transformed and blinded the old Decepticon with a fistful of dirt, which bought the twins some time to find cover. However, the airborne enemy kept up with the twins, and Mudflap lost a chance at cover when he ran back to save his brother. Luckily they were saved by Bumblebee, who attacked and forced Ransack to retreat. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.2|Dogfight!}}

[[Image:Titan2-3_Mudflap_face.jpg|right|thumb|Sorry, [[Jon Davis-Hunt|Jon]], at some point you have to draw their ugly mugs.]]

Now living at [[NEST]]'s Californian base with Bumblebee as their minder, Skids and Mudflap repeatedly asked to deliver their info to [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]—and only Optimus, much to [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide's]] annoyance. He was more annoyed when they ambushed him to get to Optimus...who, as it turns out, was away on a need-to-know mission anyway.

After this defeat, and with Ironhide having bluntly told them nobody believed them, they desperately asked to join in a NEST op in [[Las Vegas]]...getting turned down, because they were too crap to get involved. Mudflap almost called their superior a very rude word over this, and after the team had left, he decided they should go to Vegas ''anyway'' to show Ironhide just what they could do! What they could do, it turned out, was screw up a successful mission by freeing [[Grindor (ROTF)|a captured Decepticon]] by trying to "shoot him down". Mudflap was left mortified. Ironhide, recognising what they were trying to do, told him that maybe they could work on training the twins not to jump in without looking, and that the trick was to learn from mistakes. The twins claimed they'd try. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.3|Learning Curve}}

They soon wished they hadn't, as they were condemned to NEST's [[United Kingdom|Orkney Islands]] base for days of sim-com (simulated combat) training under [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]. Mudflap agreed with Skids' theory that this was an excuse to keep them away from Optimus, and the whole situation got on his nerves. They both protested to Sideswipe that they could handle Decepticons. Him pointing out their failure with Grindor shut them up. However, the training was interrupted when [[Ravage (ROTF)|a huge metal cat monster]] broke into the base, KOed Sideswipe, and tried to eat the twins!

[[Image:Titan4_Mudflapravage.jpg|left|thumb|250px]]

They transformed and fled, with all attempts at holding it off failing. Mudflap hit on a plan of trapping the creature in the sim-com room and letting the drones shoot it down. He pulled this off, using himself as bait; in the process, he received a communication from [[Soundwave (ROTF)|the monster's master]], who demanded to know what the twins knew about some lost and fallen guy. Mudflap briefly wondered who this dude was, then shrugged and just sprang the trap on Ravage.

With that done, the twins tried to fill in the revived Sideswipe... except the creature had gone, leaving their instructor with the view that ''they'd'' knocked him out in revenge for their training. Between that and Grindor, he thought they were up to something... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.4|New Tricks}}

[[Image:Titan2-5_twinsHEstartedit.jpg|right|thumb|Even the ''characters'' [[Mudflap (ROTF)#Notes|shift the blame]] over who came up with their dialogue!]]

The twins were later taken to Diego Garcia, and ecstatic to learn Optimus was coming there! Okay, he's only dropping a prisoner off, he's not here to see them and knows nothing about their story, but they ignored all that and drove off when Sideswipe wasn't looking so they could greet the leader. Mudflap squeed over how Optimus would be so proud with ''his'' work! Skids picked up on that and accused his brother of trying to steal the glory, and soon the two of them were having a big fight and slagging match...

And so their first meeting with Optimus Prime was to be yelled at for conduct unbecoming of an Autobot warrior. (See the pic to the side to find out how ''that'' went.)

That was when [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] made his attack, blasting at the distracted Prime and moving to free the prisoner [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]. Mudflap swiftly grabbed a weapon to stop this escape, but Sideways snatched it from his hands and used it himself to cover his retreat. Sideswipe, watching from a distance, believed Mudflap had ''given'' over the weapon, and convinced Prime that the twins were traitors: they must have helped Scorponok get here and now assisted him in his mission, on top of freeing Grindor and attacking him! Mudflap and Skids protested they were being set up because they knew too much, but it fell on deaf ears as they were taken into custody... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.5|Reversal of Fortune}}

[[Image:Titan2-6_aimedatyourheart.jpg|left|thumb|Heart, head, near enough...]]

Following this, the decision was made to exile the twins into orbit. Mudflap and his brother moaned that they should've just ignored the Fallen, but help was at hand... from the Decepticons? Mudflap angrily told [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Decepticon agent Wheelie]] that they didn't ''want'' to be freed by ''him'', but the complaint fell on deaf ears: now the twins looked like even ''bigger'' traitors. The two went underground to clear their names, and hit on the foolproof plan of abducting [[Sam Witwicky]] from his house and pleading with him to tell their story to Optimus. All this did was cause Bumblebee to launch an attack to rescue Sam. Mudflap pleaded with the angry Bumblebee that they weren't traitors, that they had vital info...

...and then [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] gunned down the scout and offered the twins sanctuary in the Decepticons. Nowhere else to go, Mudflap took Soundwave's hand and said he'd never liked Earth anyway... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.6|Outlaw Blues}}

[[Image:Titan_deceptitwins.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"No offence, Sideways, but you're a boring, stupid, unimportant waste of metal and your mum hates you."]]

Once in the Decepticons, he had fun dissing all the other members as being losers and getting on ''everyone's'' nerve, before Soundwave finally sent them on a mission to bring in a rogue member. Once on Earth again, he was genuinely surprised to find out Skids was only ''pretending'' to defect; his annoyed brother explained the plan was that, since Soundwave would send a minder to watch them, they could ambush their minder and have a prisoner to give to the Autobots.

The rogue member turned out to be Ransack, and Mudflap helped Skids lie to him that the Fallen had sent them. Talking instead of fighting? That annoyed ''both'' of their minders, and they came under attack by Grindor and Sideways! Mudflap was ordered after Sideways, and engaged him in a game of chicken; the Decepticon blinked first and crashed into a tree. He thought this was enough, but Skids was determined that they'd now take the fight to Soundwave himself! (Mudflap's considered response was "YOWZA!") {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.7|Turnabout}}

[[Image:Titan2-8_twinsanywaytowelcome.jpg|left|thumb|350px|]]

Upon returning to the Phobos base, Mudflap was consulted about having a plan of attack. He decided why bother having plans ''now'', just attack! The twins stormed the base, and Mudflap was able to defeat Ravage by ducking the beast's attacks and planting an electrical bomb on him. However, this success was quickly undone and Mudflap found himself about to be killed by Starscream... but the battle gave Ransack an opening to shoot the Seeker in the back and escape, causing the other Decepticons to chase after him! The twins had ''no'' idea what ''that'' was all about... but this was just a short respite, as the twins discovered just what that army massing on Cybertron had been planning: to arrive at the Phobos base en route to Earth...

The twins stood ready to make their last stand, and Mudflap prepared to take down as many drones as possible... when Optimus arrived with the other Autobots! The twins had been tracked to Phobos and to their shock, the other Autobots had realised they weren't traitors and were even apologising! And with all the street cred of uncovering the Phobos base, the twins were welcomed to the Autobots' Earth division. Skids briefly wondered if they should mention "the ''Fa-''" again, but Mudflap told him they were ''never'' mentioning ''that'' bloody thing again. Whatever happened, [[#Revenge of the Fallen movie|would happen]]... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.8|Back-to-Back}}
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===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
{{stub}}
{{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 6}}

[[Image:Alliance04 icecreamtruck.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Mudflap is the one in back.]]
Skids and Mudflap followed Optimus Prime's message to [[Earth]] and arrived on the planet at the same time as [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]] and [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]]. They both chose the form of an old, beat-up ice cream truck. The newly arrived Autobots joined the human-Transformer military alliance [[NEST]] and began training in earnest at [[Diego Garcia]], but soon had to be deployed to [[Shanghai]], [[China]]. {{Storylink|Alliance issue 4}}
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===''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Reno Wilson]] (English), [[Gerald Schaale]] (German), [[Katsuyuki Konishi]] (Japanese), [[Davide Lepore]] (Italian)

[[Image:ROTF-icecreamtruck.jpg|thumb|right|250px|ICE CREAM!... ICE CREAM!... I'm all out of ICE CREAM!...]]

The twins were first into action for NEST's mission to Shanghai, slowly trundling through the city streets in their ice-cream truck mode and taunting Decepticons in the area to show themselves. Two Decepticons soon did: [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] and [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]. At NEST's orders, the twins went after the smaller foe and, working with Arcee, managed to herd him into an alleyway. However, their slow, ungainly choice of alternate mode left them unable to keep up with Sideways. While Arcee leapt through a building to pursue the Decepticon, the twins tried to go around the building to catch him. However, the twins inadvertently split apart from one another when they rounded the corner too sharply, thus taking them out of the chase. Mudflap took the blame for the crash, but Skids still berated (and smacked) Mudflap for his failure.
[[Image:ROTF Twins truck robot modes.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Ben and Jerry?]]
Upon arrival to Diego Garcia and NEST headquarters, the twins were given new, individual alternate forms to make sure another incident like that never happened. Mudflap wanted the Chevy Beat as a vehicle form, but after a brief wrestling match with his brother, he was relegated to the form of the [[wikipedia: Chevy Trax|Chevrolet Trax]].

Later, the twins, along with the other NEST-allied Autobots, were dispatched to look for [[Sam Witwicky]] when Decepticons were detected heading towards his college. After [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] was killed by [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], the twins helped the Autobot force fight off the Decepticon leader and [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], allowing Sam, [[Leo Spitz]], [[Mikaela Banes]] and [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] to make good their escape. Skids and Mudflap met up with Bumblebee and the humans, and together they fled to a remote location. After the twins teased Leo for a while for his panic attack, Sam inquired whether one of them could interpret the Cybertronic symbols with which he had become obsessed. The twins claimed that they couldn't read the ancient Language of the Primes and weren't much into reading, anyway.

[[Image:ROTF_movie_SkidsMudflap_bigmother.jpg|thumb|right|250px|And this is us when we traveled to...hey, Skids, where did we go again?]]

With the help of the Decepticon [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] and former [[Sector Seven]] agent [[Seymour Simmons]], the group made their way to the Smithsonian, where the humans reactivated the venerable ex-Decepticon [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]. He teleported them all to [[Egypt]] before telling them the tale of the original [[Dynasty of Primes|Primes]], the [[Solar harvester]], which had the potential to destroy all life on Earth, and finally, the [[Matrix of Leadership]], the key to activating the harvester and possibly the only thing that could bring Optimus Prime back to life. When the Matrix could not be found at the ruins of [[Petra]], Mudflap questioned why they where helping Sam, wondering what they had done for the Autobots. Skids pointed out that Sam ''had'' killed Megatron, but Mudflap said the point was moot since Megatron was now back. After calling each other "scared" and "ugly" the two began to fight with one another. After damaging the structure and nearly crushing the humans, Bumblebee picked the twins up, bashed them together, and threw them out the door. However, their bickering created a hole in the wall where the [[Tomb of the Primes]] lay, and with it, the Matrix.

[[Image:ROTF Devastator Mudflap swallow.jpg|thumb|left|250px|[[Simon Furman]] would have had a [[Furmanism|field day]] with this scene.]]
Making their way back to the Pyramids where NEST waited with Optimus Prime's body, the group came under attack by Starscream. Mudflap, Skids, Leo and Simmons acted as a decoy to lure the Decepticons away from Sam and Mikaela. Unfortunately, they attracted the attention of the [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicons]], who [[combiner|combined]] into [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] and attacked by vacuuming up loose objects such as sand, cars, and Mudflap. Hanging on for dear life inside the monster's mouth, he tried to use his "[[Wikipedia:Kung-Fu grip|kung-fu grip]]", but was sucked further inside, losing his shoulder guards in the process.

[[Image:ROTF Mudflap vs Devastator.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"Wait Devastator! You have a bug on your face, let me shoot it for you!"]]
As Skids mourned the loss of his twin, Simmons realized that the safest place to be was directly under the giant. But he had survived being vacuumed up by Devastator, and to escape he had blasted a hole through its head. To buy the humans time to escape, Skids clambered up Devastator's [[Hightower (ROTF)|right forepaw]] to assist Mudflap. Skids threw a cable to Mudflap, who grabbed it and swung off Devastator's head onto his arm. However, once they had landed, Mudflap accidentally shot Skids in the face, knocking them off. At [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s command, Devastator continued onto the [[Great Pyramid of Giza]]. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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===Toy bios===

Young and eager, Mudflap idolises Optimus Prime and the other great Autobot heroes. He and Skids went to Earth solely in the hope of joining up with their idols, and it's a dream come true for them! {{storylink|#Deluxe Class Toys|Deluxe Mudflap}} In an early mission, however, they found themselves used as guinea pigs for experimental combination technology; trying to ''stay'' combined in their gestalt vehicle mode took up more of their focus than fighting Decepticons! {{storylink|#Deluxe Class Toys|Autobot Skids and Mudflap}}

However, he must have impressed the Autobots as later, he was assigned to help Sideswipe take down an empowered [[Fearswoop (ROTF)|Fearswoop]]! {{storylink|The Fury of Fearswoop}} Normally, his role is to create diversions. {{storylink|Skids (ROTF)#Robot Replicas|Robot Replica Skids}}

===IDW ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics===

When [[Theodore Galloway]] and his unit were attacked by [[Ransack (ROTF)|Ransack]] en route to investigate the mysterious activities of the enigmatic [[Initiative]] at [[Hoover Dam]], the Autobots dispatched Skids and Mudflap to Galloway's aid. Together, they held Ransack off until a N.E.S.T. strike team could arrive and finish him off. The Twins then accompanied Galloway and the soldiers to Hoover Dam, and while the Initiative forces had already cleared out, Skids and Mudflap realized what they had been after: residual energy from the [[AllSpark (Movie)|AllSpark]] that had been kept there. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 4|Nefarious #4}} To uncover the Initiative's secret goals, the Autobots soon allied themselves with [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]], and followed his lead to the Initiative's base of operations in [[Crater Lake]], [[Oregon]]. Skids and Mudflap were deployed to attack the base from the east; when they were met with resistance in the form of the Initiative's troops, they took them out of the equation by disabling the advanced weaponry they were wielding with precision blasts. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 5|Nefarious #5}}

==Toys==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class Toys====
[[Image:ROTF_Legends_Mudflap.jpg|thumb|300px|My gal's got 'em.]]
*'''Mudflap''' (Legends, 2009)

: [[Legends Class]] Mudflap is a simple, affordable small-scale toy. Amusingly, just like his brother Skids, the [[kibble]] on his arm actually works as his big deformed hand, only grossly oversized.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/LegMudflap/mudflap.htm More information on Legends Mudflap at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:ROTF_LegendsMudflap_Lawson.jpg|thumb|300px|E.T.'s healing touch is bigger and better than ever]]
*'''Bumblebee / EZ Collection Mudflap''' (2009)

: Available exclusively at the Lawson's convenience store in Japan (and the only way to obtain this figure via TakaraTomy), the Japanese edition of Legends class Mudflap is identical to the Hasbro release. The Deluxe-class Preview Bumblebee it comes with is also unchanged from the regular release. Preorders opened on the [[May 1|1st of May]] and closed on [[June 30]]th, and the figure itself shipped on the [[October 16|16th of October]]. Although initial publicity photographs indicated that the toy was altered slightly from the US deco (see right), these photographs have proven to be inaccurate, as owners of this toy have reported no discernable differences from the standard US edition.[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/281376-rotf-takara-v-hasbro-comparisons.html]

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_MudflapSS.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Straightaway Shootout''' (Legends multi-pack, 2009)

:Legends Mudflap was also be available in the [[Target]]-[[exclusive]] "[[Straightaway Shootout]]" 5-pack together with [[Ironhide (Movie)#Straightaway|Ironhide]], [[Swerve (Movie)#Straightaway|Swerve]], [[Runamuck (ROTF)|Runamuck]] and [[Sparkcrusher]]. Other than the sandy-spray across his feet and a glossy finish, he is identical to his standard release.

:In [[Canada]], the set was released as a Zellers exclusive.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/TargetLegMudflap/mudflap.htm More information on "Straightaway Shootout" Mudflap at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:ROTF-toy MudflapFoF.jpg|thumb|300px|Fearswoop doesn't even ''have'' claws, so how'd he get those scratches, eh?]]
*'''The Fury of Fearswoop''' (Figure multi-pack, 2009)

:A "battle damaged" deco version of Legends Mudflap was available in the [[Walmart]]-exclusive "[[The Fury of Fearswoop]]" 3-pack together with a similarly "battle damaged" version of Legends [[Sideswipe (ROTF)#Fearswoop|Sideswipe]], and Deluxe class [[Fearswoop (ROTF)|Fearswoop]]. That the set uses a pair of Legends-class cars and a Deluxe-class jet means the toys are in a roughly-correct [[scale]] to each other... which is borked by the story, in which Fearswoop is supposedly much huger than normal thanks to some unnamed mystic artifact.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/WMLegMudflap/mudflap.htm More information on "Fury of Fearswoop" Mudflap at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:TargetLegendsRallyMudflap.jpg|thumb|300px|How many damn copies of the Legends Mudflap mold do we '''need'''?]]
*'''Rally Mudflap and Offroad Skids''' (Legends multi-pack, 2010)

:This redeco of Legends Mudflap features a black hood and legs, along with dirt on his sides. He was packaged with a redecoed Skids as a [[Target]] exclusive two-pack, and was part of the [[N.E.S.T. Global Alliance]] [[subline imprint]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/LegRallyMudflap/mudflap.htm More information on Rally Mudflap at TFU.info]''

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====Deluxe Class Toys====
[[Image:ROTFMudflap Deluxe 2009.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Despite appearances, he is not a basset hound.]]
*'''Mudflap''' (Deluxe Class, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-15'''
**''Accessories:'' Projectile

:Part of the third wave of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Deluxe Class figures, Mudflap transforms into a rust-orange Chevy Trax. He transforms similarly to (but not exactly like) the Deluxe toy of his twin brother, Skids. He also has similar gimmickry; for example, his [[Mech Alive]] gimmick is also activated by pushing in the grill on his chest. This causes some panels in his chest to sway and his head to, uh, headbang. Additional Mech Alive action is engineered into his larger left arm. When his fist folds in towards his wrist, panels on the outside of his forearm spread and reveal a raising, spring-loaded missile launcher. In vehicle mode, this missile is stored through a cross-shaped hole on the rear bumper. On a sadder note, the clip which holds his chest to his back has a lot of trouble actually connecting, so you're going to be stuck with just carefully posing him so that he doesn't come undone. In addition, the wheels can be locked behind his extended kneepads, which shortens and squattens his legs to create a more screen-accurate model.
:Interestingly, while Skids has a license plate with his own name on it, Mudflap has one that only says "Trax." However, there is a running change that replaces said "Trax" with "Mudflap" making for a more screen-accurate redeco.

: His feet are misassembled in the package. Swap them! The bigger, separated toe should be on the outside.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/Mudflap/mudflap.htm More information on Mudflap at TFU.info]''

[[Image:ROTF_Deluxe_Skids&Mudflap_toy.jpg|thumb|250px|He was always the horse's rear end in school plays.]]
*'''Autobot Skids And Mudflap''' (2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-20'''

:This two-pack of the twin Autobot brothers can combine into a single, old-fashioned ice cream truck. The vehicle splits in half right down the middle of its chassis (similar to how it does in the film) to create the two small robot forms. Other than the transformation, the toy features no [[gimmick]]s.

:Mudflap's heels are too thick for his feet to fold up properly in vehicle mode, though this can be fixed by trimming them. Mudflap also has a springloaded neck socket...but the reason for it is not all that clear.(the instructions do document it, but the head is not even locked in packed on the card) Also, this toy may be the first Transformer to feature the typeface Comic Sans, which is used to write "MADE FRESH FOR YOU" across both front wheel hubs. But that's on Skids's half, so Mudflap is partly absolved here.

:Amusingly, the ice cream truck accommodates [[Human Alliance]] human figures ''really'' well.

:Both Skids and Mudflap have sculpted rust detailing all over the Ice cream tuck, but for some reason, they are not painted.

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[[Image:ROTFDesertVersionSkidsAndMudflap.jpg|thumb|250px|Muddy Mudflap.]]
*'''Desert Version Mudflap''' (Deluxe, 2009)
:This version of Mudflap has a sandblasted deco to closer match his onscreen appearance during the scenes in Egypt. It is only available in Japan with purchase of the Revenge of the Fallen DVD.

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[[Image:ROTF_Deluxe_Tuner_Mudflap.jpg|thumb|250px|Pimp my Derogatory Stereotype.]]
*'''Tuner Mudflap''' (Deluxe, 2009)

:A redeco of original Deluxe class Mudflap, his doors are painted with "tuner" racing stripes and the plastic is a different shade of orange. The windows are now translucent blue. His feet are now properly assembled.

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[[Image:TRUShanghaiShowdownSkidsAndMudflap.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
*'''Shanghai Showdown''' (Multi-pack, 2010)
:In an effort to make them more [[Show-accuracy|movie-accurate]], the twins in this set have additional decals for you to put on (save for the "suck my popsicle" slogan) and painted rust and "Caution Children" for the ice cream truck mode. They come with a redecoed version of [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]].

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====Human Alliance====
[[Image:Humanalliancemudflaptoy.jpg|thumb|280px|]]
*'''Mudflap / Chromia / Seymour Simmons''' (Human Alliance, 2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-31'''
:Human Alliance Mudflap comes with a posable figure of [[Seymour Simmons]] and has a very similar transformation to his twin—understandable on a canonical level, since they're from the same spark, but a little disappointing to play with. As with HA Skids, he has a pop-up mini-gun behind his head which a back-mounted Simmons can man, and his seats end up on his arms, where Simmons can sit in either of them. The right seat has a twin-barreled gun molded into the base, while the left seat has a pop-up control panel for Simmons to operate, presumably to control the small grappling hook set above Mudflap's left hand, which a small winch can reel out and pull in.
:Mudflap also comes with a transforming figure of [[Chromia (ROTF)|Chromia]], which Simmons can ride.
:Unlike most transforming Mudflap figures, he is a more screen accurate shade of orange red, rather than just a rusty color.
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====Fast Action Battlers====
[[Image:ROTF_FAB_GrappleGripMudflap.jpg|thumb|300px|His special finger: There's no other like it.]]
*'''Grapple Grip Mudflap''' (Fast Action Battler, 2009)
:''[[Fast Action Battlers]]'' Mudflap has a simplified transformation for younger buyers. His left hand's middle finger can be extended (yes, ha ha) on a rope to function as a grappling hook.

:The toy's name, "Grapple Grip Mudflap", is misspelled as "Grapp'''el''' Grip Mudflap" in various official instances, such as Hasbro's public website<ref name="fabhasbro">[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/shop/details.cfm?guid=B237456C-7A23-1014-B596-FBA5EE4D560D&product_id=24286&src=endeca Hasbro website entry for FAB "Grappel Grip" Mudflap]</ref> and on the toy's [[multilingual packaging|European packaging]].

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_FAB_RallyMudflap.jpg|thumb|300px|Nobody will know who I am now!]]
*'''Rally Mudflap''' (Fast Action Battler, 2010)

:Rally Mudflap is a [[redeco]] of Grapple Grip Mudflap, decorating him with a gray racing stripe on his roof and his name on his windshield.

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====Gravity Bots====
[[Image:Mudflap Gravity Bot.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Believe it or not, his head looked like that before he entered the car compacter.]]
*'''Mudflap''' (2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''GB-05'''

: As a [[Gravity Bot]], Mudflap is a very boxy toy featuring no [[articulation]] whatsoever, relying solely on an [[autotransformation]] gimmick. When Mudflap is laid on his back in robot mode, gravity makes him transform into a somewhat [[super deformed]] car, and the process is reversed when the car is stood back up.

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===Transformers (2010)===
====Deluxe Class Toys====
[[Image:TF2010_Starscream'sAssault_toys.jpg|thumb|300px|That... that's not ''blood'', is it?]]
*'''Starscream's Assault''' (Multi-pack, 2010)

: This [[Walmart]]-exclusive two-pack contains desert-themed redecoes of Deluxe-class Mudflap and Voyager-class [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]. Mudflap is mostly tan with various red splotches on his vehicle mode.

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*'''High-Speed Spy Battle''' (Figure multi-pack, 2010)

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==Merchandise==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
====R.P.M.s - Robot Powered Machines====
=====Battle Series=====
[[Image:ROTF-toy_RPM_Mudflap.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Mudflap vs Autobot Skids''' (R.P.M. Mini-Vehicle, 2009)
**''Number:'' '''04 of 08'''

: Number four in a series of eight [[Robot Powered Machines]] [[Mini-Vehicle]] versus packs, Mudflap is packaged with his twin Skids. It's a non-transformable Hot Wheels-like car, with his robot mode sculpted and painted onto his car-mode underside.

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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:RobotHeroes_MudflapRampage.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Looks like [[Jolt (ROTF)|the hybrid]] found himself a new friend... a total mudflap!]]
*'''Mudflap and Rampage''' (2009)

:''[[Robot Heroes]]'' Mudflap is a [[super-deformed]] figure with limited articulation in his neck, shoulders and, unusually for the line, his waist. He came in a two-pack with [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]].

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[[Image:rotf_desertdevastation_rh.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Hey guys, wait for me!]]
*'''Desert Devastation''' (Multi-pack, 2010)

:Both Mudflap and Skids are sculpted in their vehicle modes for this box-set that also includes [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] and [[William Lennox]].

[[Image:Robotheroestwinswidewaysprimedemolishorsideswipe.jpg|right|thumb|300px|That's right. Enjoy your ''Robot Heroes'' ice cream truck.]]
*'''Shanghai Shootout''' (Multi-pack, 2010)
:Shanghai Shootout replicates the opening action scene from ''Revenge of the Fallen'', featuring figurines of Mudflap/[[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] (ice cream truck), [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] (vehicle mode), [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]], and [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]] (vehicle mode). Demolishor is a slightly-oversized figure and the centerpiece of the box set.

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==Notes==
* The ice cream truck is apparently based on a heavily customized 1930s Chevrolet truck.{{fact|confirmation needed}} [[Ben Procter]] apparently lifted the color scheme and deco for his early concept design for the ice cream truck<ref name="procterrotf">[http://conceptartworld.com/?p=2772 Ben Procter's ROTF concept art at Concept Art World.]</ref> ''directly'' off a photo of an [[Australia]]n ice cream truck that had been added to the Wikipedia article for "ice cream van" in February 2006<ref name="wikipediaice">[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Cream_Truck_Sydney_Australia_-_crop.png Photo of an [[Australia]]n ice cream truck at Wikipedia, added in February 2006.]</ref>, down to identical placement and design of the fonts and graphics. The details were later slightly tweaked for the final design that can be seen in the movie... but only very slightly so.
*One of the decals on the ice cream truck's side that was created specifically for the movie reads "([[Decepticon]] [[insignia]]) suck my popsicle." Classy. Too bad the toy ''does not have'' this decal. (Because, you know, for kids...)
[[Image:ROTFSmartCarTwinConcept.jpg|thumb|250px|Yeah, that's not phallic at all.]]
*The Twins' final alternate modes in the film, the Chevrolet Beat (Skids) and Chevrolet Trax (Mudflap), were designed by General Motors as small car concept vehicles. At one point in the film's pre-production, another small car, the [[wikipedia:Mercedes-Benz|Mercedes-Benz]] [[wikipedia:Smart (automobile)|Smart]], was evidently considered as an option for a film character; concept art of a "third twin" based on it appears in various sections of the ''Revenge'' DVD special features, always in close proximity to concept art of Skids and Mudflap. Whether it was meant to be a third character related to Skids and Mudflap or if it was supposed to be used in place of one of them is unknown. What '''is''' known is that [[Hasbro]] has had great difficultly in the past trying to get likeness licenses from German automakers, which is probably why the vehicle/character was dropped.
*Oddly enough, even though Mudflap's Chevy Trax [[alternate mode]] features big blue "eyes" on his chest and the truck seems to have a similar "face" on its grill that does not appear on his brother (and fellow [[combiner]]) Skids's Chevy Beat form, he makes up the ''back'' of the ice cream truck. He does, however, still have "eyes" on his chest in his ice cream truck form which are created from the rear taillights of the vehicle. This is evidenced in one scene from the movie where they are lit up the color of red.
*The Twins have been accused of being derogatory racial stereotypes. Writers [[Roberto Orci]] and [[Alex Kurtzman]] claim to have followed [[Michael Bay]]'s lead with the characters, while Bay says voice actors [[Tom Kenny]] (Skids) and [[Reno Wilson]] (Mudflap) came up with their schtick on their own. Reportedly, Wilson (who is African-American himself) was sad to learn his way of speaking was apparently offensive to himself.<ref name="jive">[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/24/transformers-jivetalking-_n_220005.html The Huffington Post's coverage of the furore over the Twins]</ref> Orci and Kurtzman said the twins' portrayal was not in their script, that they were disappointed in the characters and admitted that they could understand if others were offended by the characters.<ref>[http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/orci-and-kurtzman-respond-to-claims-of-racism-in-transformers-2.php Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman respond to claims of racism on ''Revenge of the Fallen'', Film School Rejects, June 24, 2009]</ref>
*Mudflap fights his way out of [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator's]] head by punching and shooting his way through his eye and cheek and then continues to punch and shoot him, doing quite a bit of damage to the giant—and still some say the Twins don't do anything to justify their part in the film.
*In Tales of the Fallen #6, it's revealed that the Twins' processors were messed up by the medic Flatline. So perhaps they were NORMAL at some point? Wow.





*Amusingly, [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/Battle-Bios.cfm Hasbro's Battle Bio] for Mudflap lists his arch-enemy as... [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]].
*Despite promotional pictures and most of the merchandise made for Mudflap, in the film he is actually closer to red than orange. The RPM and Human Alliance figures are close to the actual character's colors in the film.

==References==
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[[Category:Autobots]]
[[Category:Combiners]]
[[Category:NEST]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen characters]]
[[Category:Wal-Mart exclusives]]
[[Category:Target exclusives]]
[[Category:Toys "R" Us exclusives]]
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]
[[Category:Transformers 2010 toyline characters]]

Talk:Hasbro Q&A/August 2010: Answers

2010-09-17T19:12:51Z

Rideonshootingstarxx:

Awww. :P Super Dullsville this time. I swear I wish answers like the singularity one were the rule rather than the awesome exception. The first question especially seems wasted, as they gave the "Well Duh" comon sense real world answer that anyone with half a brain knew already. At least if they'd answered it "in fiction" it might have been slightly interesting. Course if we wanted that we should have phrased it better. sigh. sorry, just bummed by the dullness. :P --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 06:39, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
:Aww, c´mon. What a waste of a question. What were you expecting for asking such an obvious question like why do Transformers have genders? I can't blame you for asking the second question again, but seriously, we didn´t get anything from Hasbro this time. Try asking a "wild" question like that of Energon Demolishor, that one was really informative.-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 03:46, 16 September 2010 (EDT)
::Sorry about that, guys. I'll try better next time. --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 15:42, 16 September 2010 (EDT)
::Sorry, I didn't mean to be harsh to you, it's not your fault. It's because sometimes Hasbro really gets on the fans nerves and that can be a lot stressful. In fact, your question wasn't any bad, it's just that Hasbro forgets that we spend 1 or 2 months deciding what question to ask and then, they answer us with the most unsatisfactory answer they can think of. As it wasn't enough to limit the number of questions to just 2 per round. But seriously, I didn't want to hurt your feelings. For example, they didn´t explain the origins of Arcee and Slipstream in War for Cybertron or why is there a purported "female" ancient Transformer.-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 21:13, 16 September 2010 (EDT)
:::I was more upset that a question was wasted by resubmitting a previously evaded question. Given their response this time can we take it as read that if an answer appears it will be given out in addition to those for any questions asked at that time? That way we don't annoy them by constantly harping on them about something. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:36, 16 September 2010 (EDT)
::::To be fair, Hasbro ''did'' say in their answer last time "Please resubmit this question in the next Q&A and we will address it then." so there was every reason to think it would be answered this time. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:28, 16 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::"We're working on it" is an answer of sorts. It took them two or three Q&As to give us Ron Hayden's name. So give it a little while and let them do the legwork. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 07:08, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::Certainly it's luck of the draw what we pull for answers, regardless of questions. That said, I'm still a bit confused what we hoped to get with that first question about female TFs? If taken in a "real world" sense the answer is the blindingly obvious one they gave, and doesn't really even need asking. But even in an "in-fiction" sense asking about the origin of female TFs is nonsensical because it has been and can be totally different by continuity. "The Quintessons did it" versus "Built to appease humans" as it were or "Jhaixus did it to be a bastard" basically the answer to the question is already/would/could be entirely different for every continuity, so there is NO real answer Hasbro could give, as they're certainly not going to run down the list of all continuities and give an answer for each. I'm just missing what we were hoping to get with that question, which is why it seems like a poor choice for submission to me. If we wanted to specifically ask about females in WfC continuity or in relation to the 13 those are questions that might bring interesting answers, but that's not what we asked, and what we asked, like I said, seems ill thought out and pointless. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:44, 17 September 2010 (EDT)

Here's a newsflash, folks: What Hasbro will and will not answer is often a crapshoot. Sometimes we get lucky. Sometimes we don't, even though we sent in the exact same kind of question that got such a good result last time. So, hey, an idea: let's not be super jackasses, okay? It's a thought. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:20, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

Perhaps which questions we choose to submit should be subject to a vote. That way there will be less bellyaching if the answers come back and the community isn't satisfied. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:51, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
:I agree with Jim Sorenson here. Honestly, I don't understand why it wasn't a vote from the very beginning. That way, we ensure that the questions that the majority of the wiki (or at least the vocal majority) is at least satisfied with the questions asked if not with Hasbro's sometimes vague and unhelpful answers to them. --[[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 14:04, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
::This is the worst idea ever, and I am putting my foot down. A voting process is not going to select the questions most likely to get responses. Unless, of course, we want to upgrade from "often a crapshoot" to "always a crapshoot." So no, absolutely not. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:47, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Because you hold the editors in such low esteem? I suppose you could limit it to admins.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:01, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
::::I personally think enough of us that care about this Q and A are aware by now of what kind of questions get garbage answers. Why not just enforce some guidelines? Instead of "Asking about future product is a bad idea", how about "We won't submit questions that aren't getting answered". I know some people might still vote for less awesome questions, but you really don't think the majority would know what to ask? I personally think the biggest weakness would be everyone voting for themselves.--[[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 15:12, 17 September 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Hasbro Q&A/August 2010: Answers

2010-09-17T18:04:29Z

Rideonshootingstarxx:

Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 5

2010-08-12T17:37:11Z

Rideonshootingstarxx: /* Synopsis */

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|caption=This is the end, my former friend.
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[May 19]], [[2010]]
|coverdate=May 2010
|story=[[Nick Roche]] & [[James Roberts]]
|script=Nick Roche & James Roberts
|art=Nick Roche
|colors=[[Josh Burcham]]
|letters=[[Chris Mowry]]
|editor=[[Andy Schmidt]]
|associate editor=[[Denton J. Tipton]]
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|chronology=[[IDW timeline|Current era (2010)]]
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'''Where everything FINALLY hits the fan.'''

==Synopsis==

In the future, "Fisitron" will write up the story and what it means in the 332nd "[[Wreckers: Declassified]]" datalogue. But ''now'', in [[Garrus-9]], Overlord tears Guzzle in half, bashes Kup into unconsciousness, and smirks when his ''right eye is destroyed'' by Impactor. And in down in the [[Aequitas]] chamber, Verity Carlo continues to argue against detonating the deterrence chips: it won't just kill Impactor, it'll kill the Wreckers as a concept. She puts her case to Ironfist, arguing that he's made the Wreckers stand for something, turned a bunch of thugs with a death wish into a symbol of hope and heroism for the other robots, and ''his'' Wreckers would never kill one of their own.

Perceptor decides she's right, while Pyro decides to abandon his egotistical visions of a glorious death and tells the others to run, that he'll cover them: dying for people he cares about, he tells Ironfist, is the most he can do, and he tells Verity that the ''Autobots'' need the humans to look after ''them''. The Wreckers withdraw, Ironfist working out a plan to deal with Overlord, while Pyro is ingloriously torn to pieces behind them. As they withdraw, at Verity's urging, Ironfist reveals the truth he's learnt about Impactor and [[Pova]]...

''Twenty years ago, in battle, Impactor decided the best way to get a shot at [[Squadron X]] would be to fire through Springer's midsection. Despite Springer's protest that he didn't '''have''' the circuit dampeners Impactor wanted him to engage and his pleas, Impactor fired. After the battle, he reported in to Prowl to reveal all of the enemy had been caught. Prowl reported back that under the [[Neutrality Agreement]] with the Povians, the Autobots aren't allowed to be there: to prevent the Decepticons using this to turn Pova against them, the Wreckers had to release Squadron X immediately. Instead, Impactor took [[Roadbuster|Roadbuster's]] gun and locked himself in the room with the prisoners. Springer attempted to stop him but he murdered every single Decepticon as they lay in chains on their knees, while the other Wreckers simply stood in silence...''

Back outside, Overlord has won and Springer is about to be killed. He tells Overlord that his men will have freed every Autobot prisoner by now and will be leading them this way... except Overlord, the instant he learnt the Wreckers had arrived, ordered ''every single prisoner'' to be murdered in their cells. But luckily, the other Wreckers have arrived! Perceptor uses his sniper laser to blow the monster's hand off and free Springer! Ironfist chucks a ''massive'' chaingun of doom to his leader! Overlord is repeatedly shot!

And then he shrugs off the fire, ''rips off Springer's face'', blasts Perceptor offline, and only Ironfist is left standing, trying futilely to warn Overlord to back off. And ''that'' is when said nerd reveals the gun was loaded with deterrence chips, all of them laying roots in the monster's endoskeleton, and then he uses Aequitas to detonate them!

And then Ironfist falls down inactive, his head wracked by pain, and Verity is left alone as Overlord rises as a ''fire-consumed, skeletal horror'', intent on ripping her to pieces, snarling in hate that "you and your ''dead friends''" have left him unable to best [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] when he arrives. Verity, however, notes a weak spot, and informs him [[All Hail Megatron issue 12|Megatron is long dead]]; she begins to laugh at him, pointing out he's spent all this time believing Megatron is coming after him and the tyrant died not remembering Overlord ''at all''. The monster falls to his knees, his world shattered, and then Impactor rises from the mat to finish him off. Overlord won't fight back against the beating, but Impactor refuses to kill him: he's doing this for Springer, the one who told him he didn't have the right to murder Squadron X, and that Springer would want the Decepticon to stand trial for what he did.

The villain is beaten, the Decepticons have all fled now Overlord can't hold them, help is coming, and Ironfist wakes up! All is well...

Except four of the Wreckers are still dead; Springer and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] are on emergency life support, their chances of recovery unclear; Impactor and a repaired Guzzle abruptly left once Overlord was arrested; and Ironfist died en route to Earth from an aneurysm, caused by a lab accident with his cerebro-centric bullets eighteen months ago that had one inching towards his brain all along.

On Earth, Prowl takes this report and the single data slug Ironfist was able to make of the Aequitas data. He admits to Ultra Magnus that he knew about Ironfist's approaching death and had arranged for him to be placed on the Wreckers, his dream job, in exchange for bypassing the suicide lock on Aequitas. ("''Yes'', of ''course'' I regret it.") Prowl reveals the reason behind this whole mission: they couldn't allow the Decepticons to get their hands on Aequitas' transcripts of the ''Autobot'' trials, as it would be too great a propaganda weapon. Magnus notes those transcripts are the only evidence left for most of the accused, while Prowl remembers the utter ''horror'' of the trials, of hearing all the atrocities that Autobots had undertaken. Magnus believes a public trial is the only way, as [[Tyrest (Autobot)|Chief Justice Tyrest]] intends; Prowl agrees justice must be publicly done but not ''now'', believing the Autobots will be shattered if they learn about the monsters in their midst now.

He says he'll make sure the slug gets to [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], while Magnus remarks he ''knows'' Prowl hopes the data is corrupted so everyone can move on, and that he likes to think better of the 'bot than to believe he'll destroy the evidence. On his own, contemplating the slug, Prowl starts to apply some pressure to it...

And on Earth, Verity writes under the guise of "Fisitron", musing whether this is the end of the road for the Wreckers or just a stop-off to reflect. "Because that's how we ''honor'' those we've lost: by looking ''forward'', not back."

==Featured characters==
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*[[Guzzle (G1)|Guzzle]] (1)
*[[Springer (G1)|Springer]] (3)
*[[Kup (G1)|Kup]] (4)
*[[Impactor]] (5)
*[[Pyro]] (6)
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (7)
*[[Ironfist]] (8)
*[[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]] (10)
*[[Rack'n'Ruin]] (14)
*[[Roadbuster]] (15)
*[[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] (16)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (17)
*[[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] (20)
*[[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]] (21)
*[[Rad (G1)|Rad]] (22)
*[[Jackpot]] (23)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (24)
*[[Flame (Marvel)|Flame]] (25)
*[[Tyrest (Autobot)|Tyrest]] (26)
*[[Emirate Xaaron]] (27)
*[[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] (28)
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*[[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]] (2)
*[[Tornado]] (11)
*[[Macabre]] (12)
*[[Earthquake (G1)|Earthquake]] (13)
*[[Fang]] (18)
*[[Triton]] (19)
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*[[Verity Carlo]] (9)
}}

==Quotes==
"It's a story of sacrifice and betrayal, and of good people dying in ''stupid, pointless ways''."
:—'''"Fisitron"'''

"Oh, don't look so ''surprised''. You didn't expected this stunted little ''wretch'' to ''survive'', did you?" 
"You're a '''maniac'''!"
:—'''Overlord''''s opinion on Guzzle's chance of living and '''Kup''' pretty much summing up readers' thoughts of Overlord.

"Ironfist! You should know better than ''anyone'' what the Wreckers are ''really'' about! They give the other Autobots something to ''believe in''!"
:—'''Verity''' trying to motivate Ironfist.

"I figure that dying to save people you ''care about'' is the most that anyone can do." 
"I think you have your ''motto''." 
"No... my ''last words''."
:—'''Pyro''' and '''Ironfist'''

"Sweet."
:—'''Springer''' gets thrown a giant gun to shoot Overlord with.

"Sweet."
:—'''Overlord''' holds Springer's face-skin in his palm.

"Oh, man, this is PERFECT! You can't accept that he never gave chase! You lived your life thinking about him every day, and he died forgetting all about you!" 
"But... But he owes me! He owes me."
:—'''Verity''' giving '''Overlord''' the ''wonderful'' news about Megatron.

"You see, this is one of those stories with a ''moral''. And the moral is simply this: life persists."
:—'''Verity'''

==Errors==

* In the first scene in the Aequitas Chamber, Topspin's body is initially colored gray and black (deactivated), but on the next page, it is colored normally.
* In the panel where Verity is on her knees mourning Ironfist's death, the part of the shirt below her ribcage is colored like skin.

==Items of note==
* [[Autopedia]] profiles include Pyro, Guzzle, and Impactor. Huzzah!
* Part of "Fisitron's" narration on the first page is based upon Alfred, Lord Tennyson's poem, ''[[Wikipedia:The Charge of the Light Brigade (poem)|The Charge of the Light Brigade]]''.
* The visuals of the battle on Pova in this issue contrasts sharply with how it was depicted in [[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 4|the previous issue]]. In issue 4, the battle was depicted with a sense of non-reality (befitting a falsified story), taking place on a sunny day, with the participants having little damage upon their bodies, even in death. However, in issue 5, the reality shows a depressing, rainy landscape with the participants all showing the signs of battle injuries. When Impactor is shown standing above the corpses of Squadron X, he is splattered with their "[[Mech fluid|blood]]".
* On Pova, Prowl admonished Impactor through a communications device in his palm which projected an image that resembles a [[communicube]].
* Ironfist's little head scar had been around since #1, so we'd all been visually forewarned what his accident had been...
* The scenes of the dead prisoners is a deliberate copy of #3's scene of the imprisoned prisoners hearing the Wreckers have come to save them...
* The final scene takes place in [[Mister "O"|Mister O's Restaurant]].
* Impactor's [[Autopedia]] profile mentions that Impactor got the idea for his harpoon arm after meeting an unnamed dimension-hopping "freelance peacekeeping agent" who had been "ricocheting from universe to universe after leaping through an exploding time portal." [[Death's Head (G1)|Death's Head]], yes? Their meeting is chronicled in [[Wreckers: Declassified]], [[Datalog]] 151, which refers to the [[The Legacy of Unicron!|Marvel UK issue number]] in which Death's Head leaps through a time portal with [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and disappears from the story. The title of said datalog, "The Wreckers at the Crossroads of Time", refers to the short ''[[Doctor (G1)|Doctor Who]]'' story, "The Crossroads of Time", which saw the titular Time Lord have a run-in with Death's Head following the time portal incident.
* Near the end of the issue we see [[Flame (Marvel)|Flame]] on trial.
* Autopedia tells us that Pyro suffers from [[Primus apotheosis]].
* Pyro's profile reveals he was at the [[Simanzi Massacre]], same as [[Rotorstorm]] in his profile. Both began to suffer their personality disorders following the Massacre...
* Speaking of Datalog numbers, the Datalog retelling of this series is numbered #332, which was the total number of issues of the Marvel UK ''Transformers'' comic had.
* It's not ''explicitly'' shown that Prowl destroyed the copy; he starts to squeeze a bit but it's left ambigious as to whether he continued. (So how dodgy do ''you'' think Prowl is?)
* Ultra Magnus is shown in this issue in the design that [[Don Figueroa]] gave him for the first arc of the [[The Transformers (IDW)|ongoing series]].

==Real World References==
* One of the sites of Flame's atrocities, [[Babu Yar]], is named very similarly to a [[wikipedia:Babi Yar|famous historical massacre site on Earth]].

===Covers (3)===
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* '''Cover A:''' A silhouette of Overlord looming over Impactor and Springer amidst flames with several Autobot grave markers in front of them, art by [[Nick Roche]] and colors by [[Josh Burcham]].
* '''Cover B:''' A Transformer hand lying on the ground, art and colors by [[Trevor Hutchison]].
* '''Cover RI:''' "Virgin" title-free edition of cover B.
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Matrix of Leadership

2010-08-11T16:51:53Z

Rideonshootingstarxx: /* The Transformers cartoon */ fixing instances of the old pre-transformer names.

{{disambig3|Matrix}}
[[Image:Matrix.jpg|right|300px|thumb|You put the life in the coconut.]]

The '''Autobot Matrix of Leadership''' (sometimes the '''Creation Matrix''' or, rarely, the '''[[The Autobots Have a Special Mission for:|Autobot Matrix of Power]]''' or the '''Matrix of Light''') is an artifact of great power, traditionally carried by the [[Prime (rank)|leader]] of the [[Autobot|Autobots]]. By most accounts, it holds a part of the essence of [[Primus]], the creator-god of the [[Transformer|Transformers]], although much about it, including its exact composition, remains a mystery. It generally appears as a hollow, spherical metal shell with two handles on either side and with a core sphere of blueish crystal at its center. The Matrix is one of the very, very, very few things which [[Unicron]] fears. It used to be the jewel on the hilt of [[Prima]]'s [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]].<ref>''[[Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron]]''</ref>

{{quote|But one day... an Autobot shall rise from our ranks... and use the power of the Matrix... to light... our [[darkest hour]].|A [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|dying Optimus Prime]]|''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''}}

:''German name:'' '''Das Hauptprogramm''' ("the core program", used once in fiction), '''Matrix der Führerschaft''' (Matrix of Leadership)
:''[[Omni Productions]] dub name:'' '''The Power Pack'''
:''Polish name:'' '''Matryca Przywództwa''', '''Matryca Przywódcy''' ([[Transformers: War for Cybertron|"War for Cybertron"]] PC polish dubbing)

==Conceptual history==
The Matrix and the concepts associated with it have continuously evolved over twenty-plus years, due to different ''Transformers'' fiction creating new ideas centred on it, which have in turn influenced its representation in ''other'' fiction, and so on, and so forth, and back-and-forth. The current nature of the Matrix as it is understood is beholden to quite a few different sources, and its development is described here to minimize confusion. For the specifics on the different interpretations of the Matrix in various continuities, see the "Fiction" section below.

The concept of the Matrix originates from the brain of [[Marvel Comics]] writer [[Bob Budiansky]] and is a result of the no girls/no gender policy enforced by [[Hasbro]] regarding their then-new robot brand. Because there were no female robots/the robots had no gender, Budiansky came up with an asexual method of reproduction in the form of the Creation Matrix, a computer program housed within the [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leader]] that could bring new Transformers to life.<ref>[http://www.bwtf.com/interviews/bb204/ Bob Budiansky Interview at BWTF.com]</ref><ref>[http://www.metalmachine.net/blog/2009/11/21/todds-take-with-bob-budiansky-the-architect-of-the-transformers/ Metal Machine interview with Bob]</ref><ref>[http://rustingcarcass.yuku.com/topic/954 Rusting Carcass interview]</ref> According to legend retold by Shockwave, this Creation Matrix program is encoded into a new Autobot leader once every ten millennia.

The [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 animated series]] made an attempt at introducing the Matrix concept into its continuity in the episode "[[Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust]]", but the line, which dated the creation of the Matrix to 4.5 million years ago (which would ultimately conflict greatly with what would be learned of the Matrix in the future), was deleted during production. Subsequently, the animated incarnation of the Matrix, known as the "Matrix of Leadership," made its debut in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', where it was presented as a physical object housed in the chest of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]], and passed to [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and ultimately [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]].

Nothing of the Matrix's nature was actually divulged in the film, where it was treated as simply a magic talisman of prophecy that was the antithesis of [[Unicron]]. It was the mini-series "[[Five Faces of Darkness]]" which revealed the key feature of the animated Matrix—it contained the lifeforces of all previous [[ancient Autobots|Autobot leaders]] who had held it, collectively known as the "Wisdom of the Ages," which could be consulted for aid in moments of need.

Having already cannibalized many of the movie's best elements for use in his comic book stories, writer [[Simon Furman]] contradicted Bob Budiansky's US comic book stories by presenting the Matrix as it had appeared in the film, as a physical object, in his own UK storylines. Eventually, when Furman began writing the US series as well, the two concepts were reconciled and it was explained that Prime's head had merely contained residual Matrix energy, while the true Matrix had resided in his chest. This explanation was also reflected in a ''[[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|Universe]]'' profile written for Powermaster Optimus Prime around the time, where Budiansky's "program" concept and the cartoon's "physical object" idea were merged with the explanation that the program was encoded in light patterns in the Matrix's crystal core. As Furman's run progressed, the "lifeforces of previous holders" concept was also adapted into the comics, with the Matrix possessing a genetic memory of those that had held it. Most notably, in both UK and US books, Furman crafted a story to explain the origins of the Matrix, why Unicron was vulnerable to it, and how it could create new life, ultimately revealing it to be the essence of the Transformers' creator-god, [[Primus]].

It was the [[Beast Machines (cartoon)|''Beast Machines'' animated series]] which made the next big addition to the growing mythology of the Matrix when it introduced the [[Allspark]], the extradimensional source of all Transformers sparks living or dead, which was also known as "the Matrix." Although it did not explicitly make any callbacks to the Matrix as seen in the Generation 1 cartoons or comics, the implication was obvious—rather than ''contain'' anything, the physical Matrix object from those continuities was a ''gateway'' to the Allspark. Where the animated "Matrix of Leadership" and the comic book "Creation Matrix" had previously seemed incompatible, this revelation united them conceptually—the lifeforces of the dead from the cartoon and the ability to bring new life from the comics could now both be tied to the features of the Allspark dimension.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{noteukonly}}
[[Image:Prima.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Intel Inside!]]

When Primus created the Transformer race, before entering voluntary systems shutdown, he bestowed upon them a '''Genetic Matrix''' containing his essence and the majority of his power, which could be used to give life to more Transformers so that the race might grow without his direct involvement. {{storylink|Primal Scream (issue)|Primal Scream}} Known holders of the Matrix throughout history included the first Transformer, [[Prima]], and subsequently, [[Prime Nova]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], and in the modern era, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|Dark Creation}} One account mentions a "[[Primon]]" as the second holder, but no other sources include him. {{storylink|Reaching the Omega Point}}

By the time of the war on [[Earth]], the fact that the Matrix was a physical object was generally unknown to all but Optimus Prime himself, who kept it within his chest. Operating under the misconception that the Matrix was a program within Prime's mind, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] captured the [[Autobot|Autobots]] and decapitated Prime, using the residual Matrix energy contained within it to bring life to the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]. {{storylink|The Next Best Thing to Being There!}} Prime was able to transfer the remaining energy into the mind of the Autobots' human ally, [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]], {{storylink|The Worse of Two Evils!}} thereby preventing Shockwave from animating his newest construct, [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. {{storylink|Brainstorm!}} Deducing that Buster possessed the Matrix, Shockwave programmed the unliving Jetfire to capture the boy, but Buster used the Matrix to bring Jetfire under his control, thwarting Shockwave's plan and saving Optimus Prime. Buster returned the energy of the Matrix within his body to Prime. {{storylink|Prime Time!}}

''The Matrix was also known to have an analog on Cybertron, the [[Matrix Flame]], which burned constantly as long as the Matrix still existed, no matter where in the universe it was. It could also be used to channel the energy of the Matrix, which the Autobots on Cybertron did to bring life to their new warrior, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. Not long after, however, the Matrix Flame flickered out when Optimus Prime was shunted into [[limbo]] by time-travelling [[Galvatron (G1)|Decepticons]], leading the Autobots on Cybertron to send Magnus to Earth to investigate. Prime was returned in due time, and the Matrix Flame re-ignited.'' {{storylink|Target: 2006}}

[[Image:Geneticmatrix.jpg|left|150px|thumb|No one can be told what the Matrix is. Because Optimus is an idiot.]]

Having deduced a new means of tapping the Matrix's power, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] had [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] plant a [[cerebro-shell]] within Optimus Prime. Megatron was able to use the shell to channel the energy of the Matrix when Prime used it to give life to the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], employing it to animate his own new creations, the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]]. {{storylink|Aerialbots over America!}}

Prime's persistence in keeping the physical shell of the Matrix a secret proved to have been a mistake when the Autobot leader died. In accordance with Cybertron funerary practises, Prime's body was loaded into a funeral bier and launched it into space, unwittingly sending the Matrix with it. {{storylink|Funeral for a Friend!}} The craft eventually crashed on the distant moon of [[VsQs]], where it lay undisturbed for a time. Left in solitude, the rudimentary consciousness of the Matrix formed from the genetic memory of its past holders began to desire new sensations, and began to hunger for new experiences. {{storylink|Dark Creation}}

It got a chance at new experience when a dying mechanoid crashed on VsQs and touched the Matrix. The mechanoid was a Deathbringer, which had been dedicated to ending unnecessary suffering, and was warped by the Matrix into a new and very powerful being who sought to destroy ''all'' life. Though he left the Matrix in Prime's body, he still carried some of its energy, and the Matrix reveled in the vicarious experience of evil. The Deathbringer found its way to Earth, where it rained destruction down upon a human city. ''Sensing the Matrix's power within the creature, Optimus Prime (since resurrected) was hesitant to destroy the only link they had discovered to the lost Matrix, but [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] solved the problem by convincing the Deathbringer that since the Matrix's power was eating away at it, it should destroy itself.'' {{storylink|Deathbringer (issue)|Deathbringer}}

[[Image:Creation Matrix 65.jpg|right|150px|thumb|The Creation Matrix was the Leader-1's-head of the Marvel comic. Can't be drawn the same way twice.]]

Back on VsQs, the Matrix's curiosity found new expression when an insectoid creature crawled into Prime's corpse's chest cavity and became the next recipient of the Matrix's power. Dissecting and studying the beast, the Matrix was fascinated that the creature seemed to be meant to do nothing but destroy, so it re-created the thing into a larger, more powerful predator. {{storylink|Dark Creation}} The monster attacked a team of astronauts that had set up a research station on VsQs, killing nearly all of them, but at least one escaped and crashed in the seas of [[Pequod]], another planet in the same solar system. His body infused with Matrix energy from the beast that had attacked him, the astronaut was swallowed by a [[klud]], which ingested the energy. {{storylink|Deadly Obsession}}

Meanwhile, Optimus Prime became aware of the threat of Unicron, and realized that the Matrix would be necessary to defeat the Chaos-Bringer. Search parties were dispatched to track down the funeral barge, which piqued the curiosity of new Decepticon leader [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]], who possessed an affinity with the Matrix and a desire to possess its power for his own. As the opposing teams dodged each other, they eventually set their sights on Pequod, where the klud had been attracting attention because its species was supposed to have been extinct. Thunderwing used his Matrix affinity to psychically link with the Matrix-infused beast and see the memory of swallowing the dying scientist. Recognizing the "VsQs" stamp on his equipment, Thunderwing set out for that moon. {{storylink|Deadly Obsession}}

Once there, both sides battled the creature the Matrix had created, which had grown to enormous size, with Thunderwing ultimately killing the beast and taking the Matrix. {{storylink|Dark Creation}} The Decepticon immediately attacked the spaceborne [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], manifesting the Matrix power in the form of a giant, vaguely humanoid energy field around himself. Soon, however, Matrix began to speak through him, delighting in the firsthand experience of evil, and Thunderwing realized he was being possessed. Thunderwing tried to mentally battle the Matrix, to no avail, but the Autobots exploited his erratic behaviour to impale him with a harpoon and blow him out the Ark's airlock into space. {{storylink|All Fall Down (issue)|All Fall Down}}

[[Image:EdgeofExtinction-sothatallmaylive.jpg|left|thumb|300px|It cures what ails ya.]]

The Matrix took time to heal Thunderwing's body, then set out for Cybertron. Coincidentally, it arrived just as Unicron was trying to destroy the planet. The Matrix-creature fought Unicron, but Unicron soon realized that the Matrix had been tainted with evil, and that it was no longer a threat to him, given the infinitely greater magnitude of his own evil nature. Thunderwing was destroyed by Unicron's attack and Optimus Prime was able to recover the Matrix, cleansing it of the taint of evil and restoring its purity. Rocketing into Unicron's gaping maw, Prime released the Matrix's energy within the planet-eater's body, destroying him. {{storylink|On the Edge of Extinction!}} The explosion should have killed Prime as well, but his devastated body was saturated with Matrix energy, keeping it alive long enough for the suffering Prime to pass on leadership of the Autobots to [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]. {{storylink|Still Life!}} Prime's consciousness, however, was transferred to his [[Nebulos|Nebulan]] partner, [[Hi-Q]], who was later recreated into a new Optimus Prime by the [[Last Autobot]], complete with a reconstructed Matrix. {{storylink|End of the Road! (US)|End of the Road!}}

[[Image:MatrixCoconut1.jpg|right|200px|thumb|"Will I become a great Autobot leader?" "All signs point to no."]]

''In the alternate future timeline of [[Earth-120185]], a dying Optimus Prime passed the Matrix to Ultra Magnus in 2006, and it was then used by [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] to destroy Unicron, in the process transfiguring Hot Rod into Rodimus Prime. {{storylink|Transformers: The Movie (Marvel Comics)|Transformers: The Movie}} Subsequently, in 2008, Unicron attempted to engineer his resurrection, but Rodimus Prime trapped his mind within the Matrix.'' {{storylink|The Legacy of Unicron!}}

''Later in 2008, the [[Quintesson]] [[General Ghyrik]] was able to steal the talisman from its owner at that time, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]]. Ghyrik used the power of the Matrix to enhance his strength as he battled Hot Rod, but was duped by some impromptu ventriloquism from his opponent and soon lost the talisman. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}} Later, in 2009, Rodimus and several other Autobots travelled back in time to 1989. Optimus Prime was again shunted to limbo, but Rodimus used the power of the Matrix to allow Optimus to communicate with the other Autobots. When Rodimus was then defeated in battle, Optimus risked the security of the space-time continuum to use the Matrix as a stepping stone to return to reality, battling [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]].'' {{storylink|Time Wars}}

''Returning to Cybertron after their time-travel adventure, Rodimus and the Autobots found that the disruption of space and time had altered their future, and that Galvatron was waiting for them. Galvatron attempted to force Rodimus Prime into a savage battle, hoping to corrupt the Matrix, but Rodimus realized his plan and stopped. However the corruption had begun...'' {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!}}

''Later, Rodimus and the Autobots were on a hyperspace trip to Earth when they discovered that their craft's guidance systems had been damaged. During the flight, Rodimus Prime vanished, {{storylink|The Void! (UK)|The Void!}} and Kup discovered that he was the saboteur, {{storylink|Edge of Impact}} deducing that he had been corrupted by an evil force from within the Matrix. {{storylink|Shadow of Evil}} Inside the Matrix, Rodimus battled with the essence of Unicron, trapped there since the events of 2008, until Kup wrenched the Matrix from his chest, freeing him from the chaos-bringer's influence. But now, Rodimus knew that the evil of Unicron would be waiting for him within it... {{storylink|White Fire}} and in 2010, Unicron's essence succeeded in taking over Rodimus's body, transforming it into a duplicate of his own and attacking Cybertron once more, until Rodimus was able to defeat him from within and re-seal him within the Matrix.'' {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!}}

''When last seen, in the far future of 2356, Unicron's essence remained sealed within the Matrix, causing Rodimus's body to steadily wither and weaken.'' {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!}}

====Generation 2====
Requiring the Matrix to bring the new warriors created by [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] to life, Megatron defeated Optimus Prime in battle and tore the Matrix from his body with an energy siphon. {{storylink|The Gathering Darkness}} The Matrix's energy was then used it to give life to the [[Laser Rod|Laser Rods]] and [[Rotor Force]], {{storylink|New Dawn}} and subsequently, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] used the power of the Matrix on himself, merging himself with the [[Warworld]] and reshaping the interior of the ship. However, unlike with Thunderwing, Starscream found his own evil being subverted by the Matrix's goodness, and he returned the Matrix to Prime, for fear of being changed beyond recognition.

When Prime was consumed by the [[Swarm (G2)|Swarm]], he channelled the Matrix's purity and goodness into it, completely reversing the nature of the Swarm. Suddenly transformed from a destructive force into a force for life, it re-created Prime and departed into space. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!}}

===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
[[Image:Matrix 5faces4 7.jpg|right|200px|thumb|My preciousssss!]]
The origins of the Matrix of Leadership are almost entirely unknown. Some rather unusual evidence suggests that it may be linked in some way to the [[Oracle (G1)|assistant]] of the ancient genius [[Primacron]], who created Unicron ''(see the character's own article for details)'', but even if that is true, it is wholly unknown how it came to be held by the Autobots and how it was elevated to the position of power it is known for.

Traditionally carried by the current Autobot leader, it serves as a receptacle for the lifeforces of past holders, known collectively as the "Wisdom of the Ages." Little is known of the any matrix holders before Optimus, other than the names of a select few. They were [[Ancient Robot|Primon]], [[Powerful Robot|Prima]], [[Brooding Robot|Prime Nova]], [[Pre-Transformer (character)|Guardian Prime]], [[New Narrator|Zeta Prime]] and [[U-Haul Robot|Sentinel Prime]]. Many other Autobots have been seen within the Matrix, but their identities are unknown.

Following the death of Sentinel Prime at the hands of Megatron, the ancient Autobot [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] kept the Matrix safe and hidden away, until a damaged [[Orion Pax (G1)|young robot]] was brought to his workshop. Trion recreated him as [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]], new leader of the Autobots, and gave him the Matrix. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

[[Image:MovieMagnus matrix.jpg|left|150px|thumb|"Will I at least get to use the Matrix?" "No! Quit asking."]]
The Matrix of Leadership's first documented appearance in modern times occurred in 2005, when the dying Optimus Prime passed it and leadership of the Autobots to his chosen successor, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. Before passing away, Prime spoke of a prophecy—that one day, "The Chosen One" would rise from the ranks of the Autobots, and use the power of the Matrix to light the Transformers' darkest hour. That darkest hour soon came upon Cybertron in the form of the world-eater, [[Unicron]], who knew that the Matrix's power was the one thing that could destroy him. Recreating Megatron as Galvatron, he dispatched him to steal the Matrix, but when Galvatron obtained the talisman, he tried and failed to use its power against Unicron. Ultimately, the Chosen One who could open the Matrix proved to be the youthful [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], who reclaimed the Matrix and was transformed by its power into Rodimus Prime, before opening it within Unicron and releasing its power, which tore Unicron apart from within. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

[[Image:FFOD4 Rodimus journey.JPG|right|150px|thumb|KOWABUNGA!!!]]
Later, when injured in battle, Rodimus's consciousness briefly entered the Matrix itself and witnessed a vision that led him to believe that the answer to the mystery of the alien Quintessons currently plaguing the Autobots was held within it. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2}} To find his answer, Rodimus deliberately short-circuited himself and entered the Matrix a second time. Guided by the ancient Autobots within, Rodimus was shown the history of Cybertron and discovered the Quintessons' role in the creation of the Transformers. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

[[Image:Dark awakening matrix.jpg|left|150px|thumb|"Swap Matrix for braaainnns?"]]
The Matrix weighed heavily upon Rodimus, and he was all too eager to return it to Optimus Prime when it seemed that the Autobot leader had returned from the dead in 2006. It transpired, however, than Optimus had only been reanimated as a robotic zombie by the Quintessons, but the Matrix overrode the evil intentions the aliens had programmed him with, and he returned it to Rodimus before apparently sacrificing himself again. {{storylink|Dark Awakening}}

[[Image:Matrix burden 2.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Decepticons using the Matrix either become disgusting freaks...]]
At one point, Rodimus was ambushed by the Stunticons, who stole the Matrix from him and brought it to Galvatron, who attempted to use its energy to power his cannon, only to be tormented by the spirits of the Autobots within it. Galvatron instructed [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] to dispose of the Matrix, but Scourge understood the true nature of its power and placed it within his own chest. Warped by its power, Scourge took control of the Decepticons and led them in an attack on Earth, only to be bested by Hot Rod, who reclaimed the Matrix once more. {{storylink|The Burden Hardest to Bear}}

[[Image:Matrix burden 1.jpg|left|150px|thumb|...or get harassed by the ghosts of Optimus Prime, Robocop, and Boba Fett.]]
When Optimus Prime was at last truly resurrected, he was forced to battle the [[Hate Plague]]-infected Rodimus in order to reclaim the Matrix from him, in hopes of consulting the Wisdom of the Ages to find a cure for the disease. Communicating with the mysterious [[It]], he learned that the only way combat the madness of the plague was with wisdom, and opened the Matrix, expelling all of the wisdom within it to extinguish the disease (in the process claiming that this was also the Autobots' "darkest hour"). Although the Matrix was emptied, leaving only a shell, Optimus claimed they would have to start filling it with wisdom again, from that moment on. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2}}

In 2007, Optimus Prime used the shell of the Matrix as a substitute key to access [[Vector Sigma]], where he consulted Alpha Trion on the mystery of the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]]. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 2}}

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====Madman ''The Transformers'' comic====
[[Image:Madman comic PrimeHotrod.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Optimus' proposal to Hot Rod.]]
The significance of the Matrix to the Autobots was such that when Optimus Prime prepared to lead the Autobots in an evacuation of Cybertron in the year 2001, he hid the Matrix in a bunker at the construction site of the future Autobot City. Unfortunately, [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] had monitored the Autobot leader's meeting with Ultra Magnus, and moved to steal the Matrix for the Decepticons. Fate intervened in the form of Hot Rod, who defeated the Decepticons and took back the ancient Autobot relic, and at the same time received a vision of his future as the Autobot who would light Cybertron's darkest hour. {{storylink|The Transformers (Madman)|The Transformers}}
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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
{{note|The Matrix was the subject of a massive [[retcon]] propogated by [[TakaraTomy]] in 2007, explicitly tying it to Primacron's assistant, and various other animated concepts like [[Vector Sigma]] and the ''[[Beast Machines (franchise)|Beast Machines]]'' [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]]. Although the retcon takes as its starting point various small things that originate in the American animated continuity, it applies only to the Japanese continuity (so far, anyway).}}

=====Kiss Players=====
When Primacron and his assistant (also known as the "Oracle") were attacked by the rebelling Unicron, the assistant's body was destroyed, but his lifeforce persisted. Sealed within a protective shell, the Oracle's lifeforce fled to a dead world at the centre of the galaxy, which the Oracle used his powers to transform into a lush, green world. In time, however, the alien Quintessons came to the Oracle's world and were able to bring him under their power, transforming him into the mega-computer, Vector Sigma. Using the [[Key to Vector Sigma]], the Quintessons cyber-formed the Oracle's world into [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], and the Oracle's life-giving powers were harnessed to produce a race of robotic slaves. The shell which had contained the Oracle's essence became the Matrix, but precisely how it came to be held by the Quintessons' consumer goods robots (later known as the Autobots), or even why the Quintessons would ''allow'' their creations to possess such a powerful item, is unknown. {{storylink|Generation 1 cartoon timeline (Japan)|Kiss Players Transformers timeline}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
A key distinction between the Matrix in this continuity and its sister timeline is that in addition to containing the Wisdom of the Ages, it is a source of exceptionally pure energy. It was this energy which was released by Optimus Prime to cure the Hate Plague. In order to recharge the emptied Matrix, it was hidden in an Autobot energy-gathering facility, steadily absorbing the pure, natural energy of Earth. Unfortunately, Prime had not foreseen the one great side-effect of releasing the Matrix's energy—it caused Vector Sigma to become unbalanced, putting all of Cybertron in great danger. The Decepticons took this opportunity to invade the planet, hoping to take control of the unstable computer and by extension, the planet itself, and Optimus Prime headed for Vector Sigma's chamber to try and rectify the situation. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} The Matrix, however, remained hidden on Earth, with no-one but Prime aware of its precise location. Hot Rod led the Autobot [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] in a search for the Matrix, but although they successfully recovered it, it was still not fully recharged. Nevertheless, they brought the Matrix to Cybertron, where the ghost of Alpha Trion re-energized it fully, transforming Hot Rod back into Rodimus Prime. Before Rodimus could use the Matrix to stabilize Vector Sigma, however, Optimus Prime sacrificed himself by merging with the computer to bring it back under control. {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}

When Cybertron was subsequently devastated thanks to the machinations of Decepticon Headmaster leader [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], Rodimus Prime voyaged into space to search for a new homeworld for the Transformers, taking the Matrix with him. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 2}} On his many travels, the power of the Matrix and the energy of Earth now dwelling within it in gave him strength, and opened his eyes to the beauty of Earth and humanity, convincing him that humans and Transformers must live and work together to move forward and evolve. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 8}}

=====''Generation 2'' story pages and mini-comics=====

Presumably, Rodimus Prime must have returned the Matrix to Optimus Prime when he was restored to life as Star Convoy, since Prime had the talisman back in his chest when he adopted his "Hero" body at the beginning of the renewed war against Megatron some number of years after 2025. {{storylink|G-2 (story page)|G-2 Part 1}} A research team led by [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] and [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] later discovered new properties of the Matrix, which prompted Megatron to duel Optimus Prime in the [[Mirtonian constellation]] in order to steal the Matrix for himself. {{storylink|G-2 (story page)|G-2 Part 4}} Megatron fatally wounded Prime, but the ancient Autobots within the Matrix were able to the newly-discovered power Jetfire's team had learned of: the [[Reconfiguration Matrix]], which repaired and restored Prime in a new Laser Rod body. {{storylink|G-2 (story page)|G-2 Part 5}}

=====eHobby storyline=====

Having briefly held the Matrix, Ultra Magnus's spark was among the chosen few which retained autonomy within the Allspark. Sensing the threat [[Galvatron II]] posed to the universe with his fleet of [[Warworld]]s, Magnus used the powers of the Reconfiguration Matrix to resurrect himself in a new body based on Prime's Laser Rod form so that he could battle the Decepticon leader. It didn't go very well. {{storylink|Hybrid Style Convoy Black Version}}

=====''Beast Wars II'' and ''Beast Wars Neo''=====

By the time of the "Beast Era," Supreme Commanders were known to carry with them similar but entirely different objects known as [[Energon Matrix|Energon Matrices]].

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Ancients.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Matrix-shaped platform above the Oracle Tank]]
Seeking to use the Matrix to power the planetary turbine engines he had discovered beneath Cybertron's surface, Megatron attacked and killed the current holder of the talisman, [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]. Tearing his victim open, however, Megatron discovered that the Matrix was gone, having already been given by Sentinel Prime to the [[Council of Ancients]] for unknown reasons (perhaps having foreseen his own death). The Council subsequently chose a data archivist named Optronix to be the new bearer of the Matrix, and brought him to the [[Oracle Tank]], in which both he and the Matrix were immersed. Optronix was enlarged and strengthened by the Matrix, and transformed into [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|The War Within issue 1}}

Soon after, Prime was attacked by Megatron, who cracked open his form and exposed the Matrix. A blinding flash burst from the Matrix, showing Prime and Megatron visions of future conflicts on Earth and [[Nebulos]], but it was implied that Optimus somehow used the Matrix to force Megatron to forget these visions, though how much knowledge he himself retained is unknown. {{storylink|The War Within issue 5}}

After their war on Earth, the Transformers were set to return to Cybertron aboard the [[Ark II]] in 1999, at which point Optimus Prime gave [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] a piece of the Matrix with the promise that he would be back. The Ark II proved to have been sabotaged, however, and exploded in mid-flight, leaving the world to believe that the Transformers were dead until 2002, when the terrorist [[Lazarus]] recovered several of their bodies and reprogrammed them for use as weapons that he would sell on the black market. The American military recovered the body of Optimus Prime and [[General Hallo]] drafted Spike to help in restoring him to life by replacing the portion of the Matrix he had removed. Thus restored, Prime proceeded to use the Matrix to bring his fellow Autobots back on-line. {{storylink|Prime Directive}}

[[Image:Matrix back.jpg|left|180px|thumb|A Dreamwave newsletter provides us a seldom-seen image of the back of the Matrix.]]
When the Autobots and Decepticons were finally able to return to Cybertron, a chain of events ultimately led Optimus Prime into a confrontation with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] in the chamber containing Vector Sigma. Blasting Prime's chest cavity open, Shockwave claimed the Matrix for himself and used it to access Vector Sigma's databanks as part of a complex plan, the implications of which were never fully revealed. Shockwave was defeated by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and the Matrix returned to Optimus Prime, but not before its activation caused an energy beam to be broadcast out into space, drawing the attention of Unicron. {{storylink|Revelation (War and Peace)|Revelation}} The forceful removal of the Matrix from his body combined with the long period of time spent without it caused a great deal of trauma to Optimus Prime's systems, necessitating an extended session in a CR chamber to recover. {{storylink|Generation One (Dreamwave comic)|DW G1 ongoing}}

It appears that this Matrix does not hold the wisdom of past Autobot leaders, as [[Golden Disk (council)|another datatrak]] contained its wisdom.

===Dreamwave ''Transformers/G.I. Joe'' comics===
As the Autobots and Decepticons on Earth lay deactivated among the [[Fera Islands]], the Matrix was discovered by local [[human]]s, and became the sacred relic of a group of monks, who built it into the chest of a statue. Unfortunately, a rumour spread that the glowing blue orb possessed by the monks was an "ultimate weapon", and in 1938, [[Cobra]] massacred the monks and stole the Matrix. When [[Major Bludd]] touched the relic, the Decepticons who laid dormant on the island were reactivated. {{storylink|The Line}}

The Matrix subsequently came into the possession of [[Cobra Commander]], who learned that he could use it to hurt and weaken [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. Using this method, he blackmailed the Decepticons into serving him. {{storylink|Trial by Fire (issue)|Trial by Fire}} In the end, Cobra Commander was killed, and [[Snake-Eyes]] grabbed the Matrix. By this time, the Autobots and [[G.I. Joe (team)|Joes]] were under attack by the unstoppable [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]], so [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] urged Snake-Eyes to smash the Matrix, in hopes that the destruction of the life-giving artifact would take away Bruticus's lifeforce. Snake-Eyes complied and let Bruticus crush the Matrix with his wildly swinging fists, causing a flash of blue light that killed all Transformers present. {{storylink|The Iron Fist}}

===Devil's Due ''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers'' comics===
At some point in the past, the Matrix chose a [[Optimus Prime (G1)|simple archivist]] to become leader of the Autobots. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 2}} [[Serpent O.R.]] later learned about the Matrix whilst studying the history of Cybertron, and ''really'' liked the bit about "bestowing great power". {{storylink|The Art of War issue 1}} He subsequently captured Optimus Prime, and tried to convince him to give up the Matrix peacefully. From Serpent O.R.'s point of view, he was a great and respected leader too, so surely the Matrix would deem him a worthy bearer. In addition, he was sure the ancient relic would provide him with a "soul" or a "[[spark]]", so he could finally understand what life and death really meant. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 4}}

Unfortunately, Prime disagreed, so Serpent O.R. ended up having to take the Matrix by force. As he had planned, the Matrix did deem him worthy and did give him a soul, all while transforming him into a new form to boot. However, with his newfound wisdom, "Serpentor Prime" quickly saw the error of his ways, and would've committed suicide if it weren't for [[Cobra Commander]] hijacking his body. In order to stop the commander, [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]] tried to take the Matrix away from him, and was deemed worthy of it as well. This caused a power feedback that destroyed Serpent O.R., fried Cobra Commander's mind, and imbued Hawk with all the knowledge of the Matrix. The artifact was unharmed, however, and was returned to Optimus Prime when everything was over. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5}}

The Matrix gave Hawk the ability to control machinery with his mind, converse with Transformers telepathically, and force enough information into Transformers to incapacitate them with a single touch. Unfortunately, it also gave him recurring nightmares about an [[Unicron|angry god]]. {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2}}

===IDW comics continuity===
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The Primes carry the sacred Matrix, or at least they did up until [[Nova Prime]] had it. It has a tie to the [[Darkness (G1)|Darkness]], {{storylink|Spotlight: Galvatron}} which is itself an evil equivalent of the Matrix. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sideswipe}}

Later on, Megatron managed to beat Optimus Prime into a sorry state and stole the Matrix from him. It has yet to be revealed what Megatron plans to do with it. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 5|All Hail Megatron issue 5}} According to [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]] started over the Matrix and what it represented, [[Megatron Origin|even though it didn't]]. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 6}} When Megatron was defeated, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] got ahold of the Matrix. He studied it for several cycles, but failed to find any "ultimate power" within it and decided to throw it away. After he was stopped by [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]], he realized how the Matrix being in Decepticon hands could serve as a massive morale boost for his troops, and began to use it as a symbol for his future victories. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 13|Uneasy Lies the Head}}

{{note|When hinting about original plans for [[Revelation (IDW)|Revelation]]/[[Expansion]], Simon Furman said the Matrix had been "gone a long time", that it had transformed into something nasty, and that it would be coming back; we would also learn what it is, where it came from, and what it can do. <ref>http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/another-quick-qa/</ref> Or ''not'', as it turns out...}}

===Beast Era===
====''Beast Wars''====
Several enigmatic references were made to the Matrix at various points, though it is never precisely clear if they refer to the Matrix of Leadership, the Allspark dimension, [[Matrix (facility)|the protoform production facility on Cybertron]] that also goes by that name, or some theoretical conglomeration of any of the above that the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Warriors]] only speak of out of misconception.

When [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] voyaged into the Allspark to recover [[Optimus Primal]]'s lost [[spark]], the image of the Matrix of Leadership could be seen floating in the void. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)}} Later, when the body of Optimus Prime was fatally wounded by [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], Optimus Primal opened his chest compartment to take his spark into his own body for safety. Prime's spark was shown to be contained within a holder shaped just like the Matrix of Leadership, and Rhinox remarked that Prime's spark had "the Matrix with it." {{storylink|Optimal Situation}}

====''Universe''====
[[Image:Sparkholderprimevaldawn.jpg|left|200px|thumb|The Matrix, beneath Prime's "spark holder".]]
The confusion surrounding the Matrix-like holder in Prime's chest and its relation to the actual Matrix of Leadership was clarified when it was revealed that the Matrix was actually concealed in a compartment beneath Prime's own spark. This was established when, after the end of the Beast Wars, the deceased [[Tarantulas]] was resurrected, intending to use his new [[Vok]] powers to steal the Matrix and warp reality to his liking. To protect the timestream, the Vok took the Matrix of Leadership from the unconscious Optimus Prime residing within the Ark, used it to create [[Primal Prime]], then gave the Matrix to their new creation. {{storylink|Primeval Dawn Part 1}} In the following battle, however, Tarantulas was able to overpower Primal Prime and rip the Matrix from his body. {{storylink|Primeval Dawn Part 2}}

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===Robots in Disguise===
[[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] was chosen by Vector Sigma to carry the Matrix, leaving his brother, [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Ultra Magnus]], with a serious microchip on his shoulder. About halfway through Prime's campaign against [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]] on Earth, Magnus arrived on Earth, intent on taking the Matrix from Prime for himself. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus (episode)|Ultra Magnus}} When he attempted to steal the Matrix, however, a bizarre fusion occurred instead, merging the two brothers into [[Omega Prime]], revealing that the intention had always been for them to ''share'' the energy of the Matrix between them. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus: Forced Fusion!}} Magnus later inadvertently used this link to channel the energy of the Matrix into the [[Autobot Brothers]], supercharging them. {{storylink|Power to Burn!}}

In the final battle against Galvatron, Omega Prime would wield the [[Matrix Blade]]. {{storylink|The Final Battle (RID)|The Final Battle}}

===Unicron Trilogy===
====Cartoon continuity====
[[Image:ArmadaMatrix.jpg|right|180px|thumb|A Unicorn designed this. (see the pretty rainbows?)]]
When [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] threatened to destroy the Earth with the [[Hydra Cannon]], [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], not expecting to survive the battle ahead, tried to pass the Matrix on to [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] before entering the conflict. Hot Shot refused, not feeling himself worthy, and Prime subsequently died throwing himself into the path of the Hydra Cannon blast meant for Earth. Prime's body was reduced to ashes, and the Matrix was all that remained, clung onto by his [[Mini-Con]] partner [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]], floating helplessly until rescued. {{storylink|Crisis}}

Not long thereafter, as the Autobots and Decepticons battled in space on their way back to Cybertron, Sparkplug and [[Perceptor (Armada)|Perceptor]] presented the Matrix to the large armada of Mini-Cons who had joined the Autobots on their journey. Many Mini-Cons plunged themselves into the Matrix, using their powers to recreate Prime's body and restore him to life. {{storylink|Miracle}}

Some time later, in the midst of the Transformers' battle with Unicron, Optimus Prime was confronted by the evil demi-god with the suggestion that, on some level, he enjoyed the thrill of combat as much as Megatron did, and that the only difference between the two leaders was the Matrix in Prime's chest. {{storylink|Origin}} Following Unicron's defeat, when Megatron (now Galvatron) challenged Optimus to one final battle, these words led Prime to discard the Matrix, that he might battle Galvatron not as the leader of the Autobots, but as himself, and as his foe's equal. Prime flung the Matrix through Unicron's hide, out into space, where it later drifted by the two combatants as their fight moved to Unicron's surface. Soon, however, it became apparent that Prime and Galvatron's fight was sustaining and re-energizing Unicron, and Galvatron allowed himself to die into order to destroy the chaos-bringer. As the battered Prime hung in space afterwards, the Matrix floated past him. Prime turned to look at it, but, having revelled in his battle with Galvatron and in a way proven Unicron correct, shifted his glance away, pronouncing himself unworthy to carry it. {{storylink|Mortal Combat}}

Prime did not return to his fellow Autobots immediately, as Cybertron was now at peace. Apparently, he embarked on some sort of soul-searching space voyage, and at some point over the next ten years, he ''did'' eventually come to consider himself worthy of the Matrix, and returned to reclaim it. Despite this, however, its power was employed but once during the war for [[Energon (Energon)|energon]] of 2020, when Prime was badly injured by [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] during a battle on Earth's moon and fell unconscious. When Prime was infused with a massive jolt of energon in an attempt by the [[Omnicon]] [[Skyblast (Energon)|Skyblast]] to revive him, his chest compartment sprung open and the Matrix generated a beam of light out of which the [[Energon Blaster]] materialized. {{storylink|Starscream the Mysterious Mercenary}}

{{note|This plot point didn't make it through to the ''Energon'' dub of the episode, where the Energon Blaster was inexplicably identified as "Hot Shot's blaster," and its appearance out of Prime's chest was not explained. This was the only mention of the Matrix in either ''Super Link'' or ''Energon''—note that the Matrix-like structure built into Prime's chest is not actually the Matrix, but the [[Spark of Combination]].}}

[[Image:Cybertron matrix of leadership.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Good grief, Prime! There are KIDS present!]]

A further ten years later, during the quest to stop the [[Unicron Singularity]], Optimus Prime used the Matrix of Leadership in concert with [[Vector Prime]]'s sword to open dimension gates to the various colony worlds that held the [[Cyber Planet Key|Cyber Planet Keys]]. Additionally, the Matrix would often glow with energy when Prime poised himself to unleash powerful combat moves; during his final battle with Galvatron, the golden glow of the Matrix surrounded Prime's entire body. {{storylink|Unfinished}}
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===Live-action ''Transformers'' movie series===
[[Image:Tf2009 mol.jpg|thumb|250px|Now...how do you open this thing, dammit?]]
Created by the [[Dynasty of Primes]], the '''Matrix of Leadership''' is required to operate the [[solar harvester]]. It can only be properly utilized by one who shares the lineage of the Primes.

====''Transformers'' (2007) movie====
The Matrix was mentioned in passing. {{storylink|Sector Seven (game)|Sector Seven}}

====''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie====
[[Image:ROTF Matrix crumbles.jpg|thumb|left|250px|And Unicron breathed a sigh of relief.]]
The [[Dynasty of Primes#Revenge of the Fallen movie|Seven Primes]] had agreed never to use a [[solar harvester]] on a [[Sun]] that fed intelligent life. But in 17,000 BC, [[the Fallen]] chose to activate it on [[Earth]], for he hated [[human]]s, so the other Primes fought him and stole the Matrix. They sealed it away in a [[Tomb of the Primes|tomb]] made of their own bodies in a secret location. In 2009 AD, following the death of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], the last Prime, the Fallen had returned to Earth and was seeking the Matrix to finish what he'd started.

[[Image:TheFallen-ROTFMatrix.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Hot Rod's gonna have trouble gettin' his fingers in this one.]]
[[Sam Witwicky]], having deciphered the only clue to the tomb's location, found the Matrix in [[Petra]], but it crumbled to dust. He stuffed its remains into a sock and took it to the [[Pyramid]]s of [[Egypt]], where he still hoped it could resurrect Optimus, who was being protected by the human-Autobot alliance [[NEST]]. The Fallen's pupil, [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], shot and killed Sam, but the [[spark]]s of the Primes came and revived him. They also revealed the Matrix could not be found but only earned, and they restored its shape. Sam then used the Matrix to resurrect Optimus by shoving its sharp end into his chest. Almost immediately afterward, the Fallen teleported in and stole the Matrix, then used it to activate the harvester.

{{Note|The [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novelization]] reveals the Matrix was created by the All Spark to help the Primes in their search for energon. When the Cube was destroyed, the All Spark moved into Sam's mind, and when he was dying, it moved into the remains of the Matrix, reconstituting it. After the battle, the Matrix now resides lodged in Optimus Prime's hip, effectively replacing the Cube as the All Spark's physical form. This, in turn, transforms this universe's version of the Matrix (initially entirely distinct from the other depictions of the object seen in this article) into something much more similar to the object seen in other Transformers fiction.}}

{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

===''Henkei! Henkei!'' Bun Bun manga===
[[Image:Henkei11 matrix.jpg|thumb|right|200px|IT BURNS!!]]

{{storylink|A Nightmare, Once Again}} {{storylink|To the Sea of Stars}}

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===''Transformers: Prime''===
====''Exodus'' novel====
The Matrix had been missing for billions of cycles. [[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] sent [[Rumble (Prime)|Rumble]] and [[Frenzy (Prime)|Frenzy]] to search for it in [[Crystal City]] without success. When the [[Autobot High Council|High Council]] appointed [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] as Cybertron's leader, they ordered him to find it, and [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] also declared it would be his. During the dying days of the war, Optimus purged Cybertron's [[core]] of [[Dark Energon]] and received the Matrix, which infused every part of his body. It explained [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Sentinel Prime]] had been unworthy of the Matrix, but as long as he had survived in [[Kaon]]'s prisons, Optimus was technically not [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] and could not receive it. When the Autobots left Cybertron on the ''[[Ark (Prime)|Ark]]'', Optimus knew the Matrix would guide them home one day, where it would act in concert with the core to fully restore the planet. ''{{storylink|Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron}}''

====''Transformers: War for Cybertron'' (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)====
[[Image:WFC Matrix of Leadership.jpg|thumb|left|200px|In the book it's not a physical object. What version do you reckon [[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|the cartoon]] will go with?]]
Though [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] and his Autobots helped purge the [[Core|Core of Cybertron]] of the [[Dark Energon]] infection, its spark had been corrupted and had to shut itself down completely if it was to survive. For the millions of years that this process would take, Cybertron would be left cold and barren, meaning the Transformers would be forced to take to the stars. However, the Core bestowed a portion of its spark within the Matrix of Leadership to Optimus Prime, leader of the free Autobots. For as long as the Matrix survived, Cybertron's spark would remain. {{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)}}
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==Toys==
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===Generation 1===
*'''Convoy (New Year Special)''' (2002)

: He comes with the Matrix of Leadership!

*'''[[Galvatron (G1)|Reissue Galvatron]]''' (2005)

: He comes with the Matrix of Leadership on a chain!

*'''[[Galvatron II]] (2005)'''

[[Image:Galvatron II toy ehobby.jpg|right|150px|thumb|]]

: He comes with the Creation Matrix on a chain! It's green.

===Robots in Disguise===
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2001)

: ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] has a little door on his chest that hides a sculpted Matrix. It cannot be removed.

===20th Anniversary/Masterpiece===
* '''Optimus Prime''' (2003/2004)
** ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-01'''
: 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime includes a removable vacuum-metalized Matrix of Leadership that can also be pulled open.

* '''Ultra Magnus'''
** ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-02'''
: He had it too.

* '''Convoy Perfect Edition''' (2006)
** ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-04'''
: He still had it here.

===Armada===
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Super Base, 2002/2003)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MC-01'''

:The large version of ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] has a non-removable Matrix of Leadership behind the grill on his chest. This feature was kept for the various [[Redeco|redecos]] of this mold.

===KT Figure Collection - The Transformers===
*'''Convoy''' (KT Figure Collection, 2004)

:This small plastic bust had opening chest "doors" activated by a button/lever thing on its back, the mechanism of which also pushed the Matrix inside forward. This Matrix was also removable.

*'''Convoy "Revival version"''' (''Figure-Oh'' exclusive, 2004)

===Cybertron===
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Leader, 2005)
** ''Japanese ID number:'' '''GC-01'''

:''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' Optimus Prime has a removable Matrix of Leadership in his chest. This feature was kept for the "Galaxy Force Optimus Prime" redeco.

===Hybrid Style===
*'''Galaxy Convoy''' (2005)
** ''Series number:'' '''THS-01'''
: This tiny figure had a ''weeeeny'' (but more show-accurate) little version of the full-size ''Cybertron'' Optimus' Matrix.

*'''Convoy''' (2006)
** ''Series number:'' '''THS-02'''
: This tinsy G1 Matrix is not much bigger than a large drug capsule and is sculpted to more closely resemble the squarer, oblong-handled Marvel comic depiction than the more ovoid animation model.

*'''Hybrid Style Convoy Black Version''' (2006)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''THS-02B'''

: The same.

===Classics===
*'''Optimus Prime''' (20th Anniversary DVD Edition, 2006)

:Yep, this version of the 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime mold still has the Matrix. It's not vacuum-metalized any more, though.

===Mega SCF===
*'''Hot Rodimus''' (2002)
** ''Series number:'' '''04'''
: He comes with a Matrix accessory (in grey plastic with orange applied to the central casing and metallic silver to the core). It can be held (sort of) in his optional open-palm hand set, most easily in a "catching" pose.

*'''Rodimus Convoy''' (2002)
** ''Series number:'' '''06'''
: He comes with a Matrix accessory (the same one from ''[[Super Collection Figure#Mega_SCF|Mega SCF]]'' Hot Rodimus). Like Hot Rodimus, he can support it in his open palms, such as in a "here, take this, I don't want it" pose.

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===Revoltech===
*'''Convoy''' (2007)
**''Series number:'' '''019'''
: He comes with a Matrix accessory which does not open or store inside his chest.

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===Transformers (2010)===

*'''Battle Blades Optimus Prime''' (2010)
: He comes with a movie-style Matrix accessory.

==Merchandise==
[[Image:DiamondMatrixStatue.JPG|right|250px|thumb|Deus sold separately]]
*'''Autobot Matrix of Leadership''' (2006)

: Diamond Select Toys produced a human-scaled replica of the Matrix. Weighing six pounds, it was sculpted by Robert Lee and is a limited edition of 1,000 pieces. The Matrix can be picked up off its Autobot-symbol base, and held by the finger holes in the handgrips--and while it does not open, it can "light your darkest hour," with internal electronics that make the central crystal orb pulse in blue, green, red, yellow, and pink. The base also has a removable [[Key to Vector Sigma]] accessory.

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[[Image:RH_Prime_vs_Unicron.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Shiny.]]
*'''Optimus Prime Vs Unicron''' (2007)

: This ''[[Robot Heroes]]'' Optimus Prime is opening the Matrix of Leadership to shine the Autobots' darkest hour.
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==Notes==
[[Image:DiamondStickerbookMatrixOfLight.jpg|thumb|200px|Not shown: Anything in the caption]]
*When asked about the visual design of the Matrix in an interview, [[Floro Dery]]'s reply was, "The inspiration for the Matrix of Leadership is a thermonuclear bomb."<ref>[http://transformersph.blogspot.com/2007/06/interview-with-floro-dery.html TransFormers Philippines: Interview With Floro Dery]</ref> "Light our darkest hour," indeed.
*The 1986 [[Diamond]] ''Transformers: The Movie'' stickerbook refers to the Matrix as the "Matrix of Light" for the majority of the book, though it is also referred to as the "Matrix of Leadership" once or twice. (It may be worth noting that the [[My Little Pony]] movie, released around the same time, featured a ''Rainbow'' of Light... nahhhh.)
*Over the course of its history, the Matrix has been stolen from its bearers many times. Rodimus had it stolen from him by Optimus Prime and [[Wildrider]] in the cartoon and [[General Ghyrik]] in the UK comics, Optimus has had it stolen from by Shockwave in the G1 comics, Megatron in the G2 comics, Shockwave again in Dreamwave, and [[Serpent O.R.]] in Devil's Due. All of the thieves also had it stolen from them, either by the Autobots or one of their "allies". Thus far, the only people to successfully hold the Matrix without it being stolen are [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] (Marvel) and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (Dreamwave). Score two for the fleshlings.
*An event that would've been known as the "[[Ceremony of the Unending Circuit]]" would have been held by the Autobots every ten millennia to remember the passing of the Creation Matrix from one Autobot leader to the next, according to Autobot Law. However, the idea for this event never came to pass.

==Footnotes==
<references />

==See also==
*[[Matrix (disambiguation)|Other Matrices]]

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Alpha Trion/Generation 1

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Rideonshootingstarxx: /* The Transformers cartoon */

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:''Alpha Trion is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Alphatrionkhanna.jpg|right|228px|thumb|If Alpha Trion were a Decepticon, you KNOW he would stroke his beard while contemplating conquest. You know it.]]
'''Alpha Trion''' is one of the oldest living Transformers, and with that age comes a nuanced understanding of his race and their place within the universe. In his youth, he went by the name '''A3''', and in this time, he helped lead the enslaved Cybertronians in their rebellion against their cruel masters, the [[Quintesson]]s. As a result, he was instrumental in first establishing [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] as an independent planet.

In his older years, he has found a comfortable role in serving as advisor to other Transformers. Though not taking part in the battles of the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], he is firmly on the side of the Autobots, serving as a mentor and guide, especially to [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Elita One]]. He is an enigmatic old robot, though he is known to be the guardian of [[Vector Sigma]] and the custodian of its [[Key to Vector Sigma|circuit key]]. His sage-like manner paints him in almost a mystic tone, and possible connections between Alpha Trion, [[Primus]], and the history of Cybertron itself have boosted him into legendary status.

:''Japanese name:'' '''Alpha Trin''' (except for "The Rebirth")
:''Indonesian name:'' '''Alpa Trion'''
:''Chinese name (China):'' '''Tai Shifu''' (鈦師傅, "Master Titanium")

{{note| In 2010 Hasbro introduced a [[retcon]] naming Alpha Trion as a member of the [[Thirteen original Transformers]], and thus a likely [[Multiversal singularity|multiversal singularity]] (meaning, basically, that all Alpha Trions in the [[multiverse]] would be the same individual). Due to the lengthy histories many of these incarnations (especially this one) had prior to the retcon we have opted to leave their pages as separate entities, and merely note the retcon on each individual page. For the Alpha Trion that is definitively one of the 13 see: [[Alpha Trion (Prime)]]}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
''Voice actors:'' [[John Stephenson]] (English), [[Corey Burton]] (English, "[[War Dawn]]"), [[Tony Pope]] (English, "[[Forever Is a Long Time Coming]]"), [[Osamu Saka]] (Japanese), [[Hiroshi Naka]] (Japanese, ''The Rebirth'' only)

[[Image:YoungA3.jpg|left|thumb|Silverbolt never misses a chance to check out A3's rugged mustache.]]
11 million years ago, a mechanoid named A3 was part of the [[Autobot Rebellion|rebellion]] against the [[Quintesson]]s on a [[Cybertron (planet)|factory world]], creating a device called the [[Coda Remote]] that would stop their [[Dark Guardian]]s. Due to a timerift created by Quintessons from the future, he was briefly pulled from his position in the [[Empty Lands]] into the year 2006. Fortunately, his partner [[Beta (G1)|Beta]] managed to start the rebellion as scheduled, and A3 was soon returned by future [[Autobot]]s to fulfill his role in Cybertronian history. {{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}

[[Image:Alphatrionagesbackwards.jpg|right|thumb|He grew a beard, picked up the Matrix, shaved his beard, and then built Optimus, apparently.]]
Years later, he would be given the [[Matrix of Leadership]] by the dying [[U-Haul Robot|Sentinel Prime]], but Alpha Trion himself did not become Autobot leader. It would sit in his possession, unused, until the coming of the next Autobot leader. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}} In the meantime, Alpha Trion developed plans to rebuild Autobots to better combat the escalating [[Decepticon]] menace.

The next Autobot leader would actually come to ''him'' when a [[Aerialbot (G1)|group of time-travelers]] lugged a dying youth named Orion Pax to his repair center. Reluctant at first, Alpha Trion sensed a strong spirit in Orion Pax, and decided to rebuild him entirely... into [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]. When Prime asked if Alpha Trion could rebuild his fallen girlfriend Ariel as well, Alpha Trion agreed, and mused that [[Elita One]] would be a good name for a female warrior. {{storylink|War Dawn}}

[[Image:AlphaTrion.jpg|left|thumb|"Yes, she is a girl."]]

Over the intervening millennia, Alpha Trion's two greatest creations, whether by design or coincidence, forgot their relationship to the ancient Autobot. Five million years after his creation, Optimus Prime was lost when his spacecraft crash-landed on prehistoric Earth, but Alpha Trion kept in contact with Elita One, acting as a sagely advisor to her team of [[Female Autobots]] as they spent the following four million years stealing [[energon (fuel)|energon]] from [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. Eventually, in the Earth year 1985, Shockwave caught the Female Autobots in the act and tracked them back to their headquarters, prompting Elita One to consult with Alpha Trion on a course of action. Trion suggested they move their headquarters, telling Elita to scout for a new location alone, but in the event that she encountered the Decepticons, warned her not to use her life-draining time-freezing power. Alas, Elita was captured, and used by the Decepticons to lure Optimus Prime into a trap. To save her beloved's life, Elita used her fatal power, and the Autobot leader was forced to track Alpha Trion to his secret base in hopes that he could save her. Alpha Trion repaired her to the best of his ability, but revealed to Optimus Prime that only Prime could save Elita by interfacing to her with his power filter. An astonished Optimus Prime stated that only his creator could know that! {{storylink|The Search for Alpha Trion}}

[[Image:Ktvs prime and trion.jpg|right|thumb]]

A short time later, while he was looking for a [[10.2 ultra-drill|misplaced tool]], Alpha Trion was attacked in his workshop by Megatron and his Decepticons, who demanded that he hand over the [[Key to Vector Sigma]]. Trion pled ignorance, but Megatron knew better, and the elderly Autobot was soon overpowered while the Decepticons made off with the key. Alpha Trion was rescued from the chunk of metal the Decepticons left him stuck in by Optimus Prime and the Autobots, and after his injuries were repaired by [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], he journeyed with them into Cybertron's depths, leading the way to Vector Sigma's chamber. Their way, however, was barred by [[Centurion droid]]s that Megatron used the Key to command, and Alpha Trion helped reactivate some discarded worker robots to fight the droids off. The droids had done their job, however, and prevented the Autobots from reaching Megatron before he used Vector Sigma to bring his newest Decepticons, the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] to life. To combat these new land-based Decepticons, Optimus Prime hit on the idea of creating some new aerial Autobots, and Alpha Trion set to work reconstructing some Cybertronian aircraft. {{storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1}} When the work was done, Alpha Trion professed that he had another key to Vector Sigma "on him," and he would use it to reactivate the computer so that it could bring the jets to life. His "key," however, was his own life force: as a first generation product of Vector Sigma, his computation matrix could interface with the computer and bring it back online, at the cost of his own continued existence. Optimus Prime tried to stop him, but Alpha Trion refused to listen, reminding Prime that he was his creator and insisting that the jets were more important that he was. Prime relented, and Alpha Trion merged with Vector Sigma, which activated and brought the new [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] to life. Before Prime and the Autobots departed for Earth, Alpha Trion spoke to them through Vector Sigma, warning them of a fact merging with the computer had revealed to him: on Earth, the Key to Vector Sigma had even greater power. {{storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2}}

Many years later, when the [[Hate Plague]] was raging throughout the universe in the year 2006, Optimus Prime entered the Matrix to consult the ancient Autobots within on a possible cure. Alpha Trion was the first Prime spoke to, but he had no information to give, save a warning that Prime should take care on his journey into the Matrix, lest he be unable to return. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2}}

The following year, after the Decepticons stole the [[Key to the Plasma Energy Chamber]], Optimus Prime used the Matrix to reactivate Vector Sigma so that he could converse with Alpha Trion, hoping that the old sage knew something more about what was going on. Alpha Trion revealed to Prime that Vector Sigma had ''allowed'' [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] to become aware of the key's existence, as the chamber was key to the dawning of a new [[Golden Age]] for Cybertron... as was the merging of an [[Cerebros (G1)|Autobot]]'s life with that of a [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|human]]'s. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 2}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
{{note|The events of the Generation 1 cartoon occur in the Japanese timeline as described above, except that the events of 2006 take place instead in 2010, and "The Rebirth" does not occur. Japanese continuity inserts many additional stories into the timeline, only one of which features Alpha Trion.}}
=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
[[Image:AlphaTrionGhost.jpg|right|thumb|Alpha Trion's Spooooooky Ghost]]
In the year 2011, one year after Optimus Prime released the energy of the Matrix to cure the Hate Plague, Vector Sigma began to destabilize as a result. Optimus Prime voyaged into the planet's depths to try and bring the computer back under control, but the mission seemed doomed to failure, as he did not have the Matrix to help him. While the other Autobots searched Earth for the Matrix, which had been hidden away to recharge, the spectral form of Alpha Trion appeared to Optimus Prime to help lead him through the many dangers blocking the path to Vector Sigma's chamber. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} When they finally reached their goal, however, it turned out the Decepticons had beaten them there. [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] was not far behind, with the recovered Matrix in his grasp, and when the young Autobot arrived, Alpha Trion instructed him to hold the talisman aloft. Trion's ethereal form flowed into the Matrix, completing its recharging process and transforming Hot Rod back into Rodimus Prime, who joined Optimus is thrashing the Decepticons. {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}{{-}}

===''Universe: Featuring the Wreckers''===
[[Image:Alphatrionwreckers.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Alpha Trion was a lion for all of two seconds.]]
Alpha Trion was seemingly resurrected and/or reformatted as a lion by the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]] to guide [[Primal Prime]] and his [[Wrecker|Wreckers]] in much the same way as he aided many previous Autobot leaders. {{storylink|Departure}} It is unclear whether this new form ever existed physically; its only appearance was as a vision in Primal Prime's head. {{storylink|Betrayal}}

[[Image:Alphatrionuniverse.jpg|right|150px|thumb|You know, screw this lion thing.]]
However, he did not make an appearance after this enigmatic reintroduction until [[Unicron]] posed a new threat to the balance of the multiverse. Alpha Trion, though technically still merged with [[Primus]]/[[Vector Sigma]]/Whatever, was again in his original body (but now with a cape!). He/they pulled Cybertron's greatest hero, [[Optimus Primal]], back from the dead in order to rescue recently abducted Cybertronians from the center of the Chaos Bringer. {{storylink|Abduction}}

When Primal succeeded at this monumental task, {{storylink|Escape (issue)|Escape}} he confronted the [[Maximal Elders]] with one of his overblown speeches and was thrown in jail. Alpha Trion sent [[Snarl (BM)|Snarl]] to stage a small rescue of his own, and Primal was returned to the center of Cybertron. Here, Alpha Trion presented Primal with a window into the past, present, and future of the [[Allspark]], from which he could pluck any warrior, whether they be living or dead. Primal chose [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depthcharge]] and [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]], the former of whom rejected Primal's calling. Alpha Trion quieted Primal's disappointment, letting Depthcharge go, expecting him to return of his own accord. To take his place, Alpha Trion pulled [[Omega Prime]] from the ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' universe. {{storylink|Homecoming (issue)|Homecoming}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Alphatriondw.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Most people kill their prizes before hanging them on their wall. Shockwave is not most people.]]
Eons ago, Alpha Trion kept watch over the Transformers when Primus entered his eternal sleep to hide Cybertron from Unicron. However, a nomadic alien race eventually conquered Cybertron, and Alpha Trion was forced into hiding. Thousands of Transformers were slaughtered, and Alpha Trion was unable to act.<ref>[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]</ref> What exactly happened afterwards is unknown, but it is implied that Alpha Trion eventually drove the invaders off Cybertron.

Alpha Trion was last seen hanging on [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s wall. This was apparently meant to be very important to the huge, over-arching plot of the entire universe, but odds are we'll never learn why. {{storylink|War and Peace}}
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===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[Image:Historyofcybertron.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Trukk... and munky?]]
When [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]] downloaded some of [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s memories, he saw Alpha Trion and his role in the [[Cybertronian Civil Wars#G1 cartoon continuity|rebellion]] against the [[Quintesson]]s. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 1}}
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===IDW comics continuity===

{{spoilers|Any Old Iron}}

[[Image:MO3 EOOPAT funeral.jpg|left|thumb|250px]]
Alpha Trion attended the funerals of [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]] and [[Fastback (G1)|Fastback]], accompanied by [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Orion Pax]], [[Elita One|Ariel]], and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3|Megatron Origin #3}}

Several million [[units of time|meta-cycles]] later, Alpha Trion found himself the last Transformer on Cybertron, working to restore the planet after it had been rendered virtually uninhabitable by normal Transformers. The isolation evidently did not do the wise old Autobot any good, as he seemed to have more than a few screws loose and had become tremendously self-aggrandizing by the year 2010.
[[Image:Ironing Out the Details Alpha Trion.jpg|right|thumb|Not Bludgeon. Honest.]]
Operating out of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], Trion spent "dozens of meta-cycles" processing the corrosive elements out of Cybertron's atmosphere, slowly making it habitable again, but was still faced with the problem of the monstrous [[Insecticon swarm]] that had overrun the planet. Requiring the toughest of the tough to obliterate the swarm, Alpha Trion selected [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] to do the job. That Ironhide was across the galaxy on Earth mattered little: Ironhide would eventually die some day, Trion rationalized, and so he built a duplicate body on Cybertron into which he could implant Ironhide's spark and memories once he passed on and returned to the "[[Allspark|core]]". With Vector Sigma having been essentially erased in the event that devastated Cybertron, this took Alpha Trion years and pushed his skills to their limit, but once Ironhide died on Earth in 2010, the ancient Autobot's grand work was complete, and Ironhide returned to life on Cybertron in the new body constructed for him. {{storylink|Any Old Iron}}

Ironhide awoke in confusion, his memories incomplete due to damage he had suffered millions of years beforehand that had disrupted his link to the core, and wandered Cybertron's wastes until Alpha Trion dispatched his [[Scamper|page]] to bring the befuddled warrior to the city-mode Metroplex. Alpha Trion took umbrage at the fact Ironhide had never heard of his ancient greatness, and revealed his incredible powers over his own electromagnetic aura by using it to control Ironhide's actions when the ornery Autobot started to get a little rough. Ironhide further tested Trion's patience when he ignored his cautions and ventured out to track down the near-dead [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (even if Sunstreaker ''had'' heard of him). Finally, Trion relented to Ironhide's constant questioning and explained the reason he had brought him back online: to exterminate the swarm. {{storylink|Ironing Out the Details}} While Ironhide took out of most of the swarm in a brutal battle, Trion busied himself repairing Sunstreaker. After Ironhide returned, Trion announced that he and Metroplex were leaving Cybertron for parts unknown while Ironhide mopped up the remaining Insecticons. Infuriated by the old 'bots condescending attitude, Ironhide slugged him one, but Alpha Trion let it slide, putting Ironhide in his place by telling him he was just a small playing piece in a very large game. Before departing, however, Alpha Trion softened, congratulating Ironhide on saving the entire planet. After all, the only other Autobot would could make that claim... was him. {{storylink|Any Old Iron}}
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==Toys==
===Unreleased===
[[Image:Alphalion.jpg|right|300px|thumb|You'll never own me.]]
A redeco of [[Snarl (BM)|''Beast Machines'' Snarl]] was planned as Alpha Trion for the [[The Official Transformers Collectors Convention|OTFCC]] ''[[Universe (2003 comic)|Wreckers]]'' storyline, but this concept never made it past the paint mock-up stage.

A redecoed [[Lio Convoy]] was also considered by [[3H Productions|3H]] for Alpha Trion around the same time, and it was sort of this version that briefly appeared in the comic book (see above). Though the toy [[Prototype|mock-up]] used Snarl, 3H hoped they could finagle the use of the Lio Convoy mold. "Alpha Lion"'s wireframe appearance in [[Departure|''Wreckers'' #1]] used Lio Convoy's body, but Snarl's head, hopefully allowing 3H to fudge either way, should they come to a decision. They didn't!

{{canceledtoy}}
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==Merchandise==
===Super Collection Figure===
* '''Alpha Trion''' (2002)

: A three-inch-tall [[plastic|PVC]] figurine of Alpha Trion was available in "Act 8" of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s ''[[Super Collection Figure]]'' line. Like all the figures in the wave, it was available as both a standard full-color figure and a metallic-silver "pewter" version, one of each of which was available in a standard case of twelve [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] figures. Additionally, the pewter version of Alpha Trion came packaged with the left leg of the [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] collectible "build-a-figure".

: Alpha Trion was not among the ''Super Collection Figures'' brought over to the West for [[Hasbro]]'s ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'' line.

==Notes==
* Alpha Trion is one of the very few Cybertronians to show signs of aging and [[Facial hair|hair growth]].
* In the G1 cartoon, it's possible he lacked an alternate mode because he was created much before the Great Wars, and thus before the Autobots developed transformation in order to defeat the Decepticons.
* According to a note in Japan's ''[[Comic Bom Bom]]'' magazine, A3 was the first successful Cybertronian, A1 and A2 being failures. However, the presence of Cybertronians within the Matrix of Leadership older than Alpha Trion (as seen in "[[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2|The Return of Optimus Prime]]") makes the actual [[Canon|canonicity]] of this questionable.

==References==
<references />

==External links==
*[http://www.redshirt.co.uk/random/alpha-trion-vs-emirate-xaaron/ Horribly biased comparison of Alpha Trion and Emirate Xaaron]

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Autobot

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Rideonshootingstarxx: /* Generation 1 cartoon */

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[[Image:Autobot symbol.png|right|250px|thumb|If you don't recognize this symbol, what the heck are you doing here?]]

{{quote|[['Til all are one]].|Autobot rally cry|''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''}}

The '''Autobots''' are one of the primary factions in the [[Transformer]]s mythos. They usually find themselves defending both their own race and other species against the [[Decepticon]]s and upholding justice and freedom throughout the galaxy.

They are considered "the good guys" in most, but not in [[Shattered Glass (franchise)|all]] Transformers stories.

A generally heroic, honorable group, they tend to be dedicated to peace, and feel a need to protect other races from the Decepticons. As a result, they are usually Transformers who change into non-combat oriented alternate modes such as domestic vehicles, cars, trucks, or rescue vehicles. This is not ''always'' the case, however, as their ranks certainly contain ne'er-do-wells, malcontents, and unsavory types, and the necessities of war have led many to adopt more combat-oriented alternate forms. While the Autobots have usually found themselves outnumbered by the Decepticons, the Autobots have always had home-field advantage, having not only the humans' military support, but also having more places on Earth to fall back on, while the Decepticons are entirely unwelcome on Earth.

Key concepts that repeat throughout most continuities are the use of the name [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] (or a variation thereof) to denote Autobot leadership, and the existence of an artifact of great life-giving power, usually referred to as a "[[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]", traditionally held by their leader.

The collective noun for Autobots (like ''pride of lions'', ''murder of crows'', or ''bewilderment of Architects'') is an "exaltation."<ref><tt>...more dangerous than an exaltation of Autobots.</tt> — [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]], [[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac]] (2009) p 101</ref>

:''Japanese name:'' '''Cybertron''' (サイバトロン ''Saibatoron'')
:''Hungarian name:'' '''Autobotok'''
:''Italian name:'' '''Autorobot'''
:''Polish name:'' '''Autoboty'''
:''Portuguese name (Portugal comic):'' '''Autobóticos'''
:''Portuguese name (Brazil comic):'' '''Optimus'''

==Generation 1 / Beast Era==
===Marvel comics continuity===
====Generation 1 comics====
[[Image:Primag2.jpg|left|200px|thumb|The birth of Prima, the first Autobot. Just before Primus went around handing out cigars.]]
In the beginning [[Primus]] created the Transformers, a race of living robots that could change their bodies into the likeness of weapons, vehicles, and machinery, and all Transformers were Autobots, and he saw that they were good. The Autobot symbol (or [[Autobrand]] as it is sometimes called) was based on the face of the [[Last Autobot]], the sleeping guardian Primus left for the day when his plans came to fruition.

At first Autobot numbers were small (a mere [[Thirteen original Transformers|13]] began things), but through [[Reproduction|budding]] they expanded their race to fill the planet. When the correct level of population was reached, a mechanism triggered and memory of the process was wiped from the Transformers minds. At some point in these early days Unicron was able to reach through the mental link he shared with Primus and sow the seeds of corruption in a few Autobots, though this dark cult of Unicron would not bear fruit for a long time.

Eons passed in relative peace. Autobot society formed its own traditions, institutions, city-states and politics. From a human perspective this society resembled that of ancient Rome. [[Senate|Senators]] and [[Emirates]] governed wisely or corruptly, priests worshipped Primus and passed his holy Matrix to the chosen bearer (the lineage: [[Prima]] to [[Prime Nova]], Prime Nova to [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]), gladiatorial games were held for sport and entertainment, and above it all the [[Overlord (rank)|Overlords]] ruled.

It was only with the advent of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] at the end of the [[Golden Age]], coinciding with the death of the last hereditary Overlord, and the subsequent rise of the Decepticons, that the words "Autobot" and "Transformer" ceased being necessary synonyms and the population was divided by war.

[[Image:Optimusprimeg1marvelfirst.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Optimus Prime appears to turn the tide.]]
In the early days of the war the Autobots were overwhelmed by the Decepticon war machine. They fell back again and again and for a while it looked like the war would be quickly lost... and then a young warrior rose from their ranks and rallied the troops to fight back. He made his reputation by denying Megatron access to the [[Underbase]], soon rose to command the Autobots' elite air corps, and then, at last, was granted full command of all Autobot armies. [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] had turned the tide, and under his leadership the Autobots fought back until Megatron's war machine was stalled out and stalemated.

The war ground on until Autobot scientists detected that their planet's path was going to pass through a deadly asteroid belt. Putting the planet-wide conflict aside for the moment they turned their attention to planetary salvation and the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] was built.

[[Image:Autobotline.gif|left|400px|thumb|And now, shadow puppet theatre.]]
Optimus and a crew of his best soldiers took the Ark into space and cleared a path for the planet through the asteroid field. Unfortunately with their power depleted from that Herculean task they were then ambushed by Megatron and his Decepticons. The crews of both ships were lost to history.

Without Megatron or Prime the pace of the war slowed considerably. Still, fighting continued and both sides dug in for a long bitter struggle. In Prime’s absence [[Emirate Xaaron]] led the Autobot forces in their struggle to retake their homeworld.

[[Image:Autobots-disintegratedcircuits1.jpg|thumb|right|250px| ]]

The next four million years passed quickly (as it is wont to do) and without any major alteration (only a general degradation) of the situation. Finally news came to Cybertron: Optimus Prime and his forces lived! Yet this news came at a steep price, as it meant a new front had opened in the war. Optimus Prime and his forces fought the Decepticons on the distant world of Earth, while Xaaron, his [[Wrecker]]s, and others carried on the war for Cybertron.

Despite Prime's dedication to protecting Earth, Autobot/Human relations were not good. Humanity viewed all Transformers as threats and attacked any they discovered regardless of faction. Industrialist [[G.B. Blackrock]] tried to inform the public that there were two factions, with the Autobots being the benign faction, but the [[Intelligence and Information Institute]], the government agency tasked with countering the Transformers, was either unable or unwilling to distinguish between factions.

Not long after his survival was discovered, tragedy struck and Optimus Prime was killed on Earth. The Dinobot commander [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] took on the leadership of Prime's soldiers, though he favored the abandonment of Earth and a renewed focus on Cybertron.

At roughly the same time, the great Autobot warrior [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] reached an important decision. He was tired of the war and if he could not end it he would leave it behind. Gathering a large following of likeminded warriors he left Cybertron for the world of Nebulos in hopes of a new and peaceful life. This was not to be. Decepticons followed Maximus and opened a third front to the war. In the end both factions abandoned Nebulos and Maximus led them to Earth to unite with the forces under Optimus Prime.

[[Image:LastAutobot.jpg|left|150px|thumb|From Prima to Last Autobot, we come full circle. You may close your notebooks.]]
However, when they arrived they discovered Prime dead and Grimlock less than welcoming. Grimlock and Maximus attempted to establish a single Autobot leader with trial by combat, but were interrupted by a devastating Decepticon attack. The upside of it all was that they ended up putting their differences aside and Optimus Prime was soon reborn to take up leadership of the Earth-based forces once again.

Not long after, a dimensional transporter accident led to the rediscovery and accidental disturbance of Primus deep in the center of Cybertron. The Autobots learned that their ancient myths about Primus were the truth, and Unicron was now coming for them. Since the Creation Matrix had been lost and corrupted, Optimus Prime offered the Autobots' unconditional surrender to the Decepticons in the hopes that this would lead the two factions to stand together against the coming threat. It did, and the Matrix was retrieved and purified in time to stop Unicron. Both Optimus Prime and Emirate Xaaron were killed in the battle, and Grimlock ascended to Autobot leadership again, this time over all Autobots.

The alliance with the Decepticons would be short lived. Cybertron appeared to be destroying itself and the Decepticons betrayed the Autobots, leaving them to die with their world. Grimlock’s leadership led to the Autobots escaping that trap, and walking right into a different one. Oops. Thankfully, the awakening of the Last Autobot saved Cybertron and led to the rebirth of Optimus Prime, who reclaimed Autobot leadership and beat the Decepticons once and for all.

''(From this point both the Marvel Generation 2 and the Fun Publication's Classics comics continue the story in separate and mutually exclusive directions.)''

====Generation 2 comic====
The war finally over, most of the Autobots retired to the revived and prosperous Cybertron. It wasn't to last. Grimlock led a crew of Autobots not ready to take a vacation and put their feet up to try and track down any remaining Decepticon trouble. They found more than they could imagine as they discovered a vast and militant Empire constructed across the stars by Decepticons who left Cybertron long ago.

At the same time, Megatron reared his head again on Earth and soon the surviving Decepticons from the end of the war joined him, intent on restarting the war on Earth. It was not long before Decepticons and Autobots were teamed up against the forces of the Cybertronian Empire. Though this new conflict never touched the revived Cybertron, Earth was devastated by it. The Bot/Con alliance won, but how long this new alliance would last and what [[Liege Maximo|new threats]] awaited remained a question.

====Classics====
{{note|''Classics'' takes place in a [[splinter timeline]] of the Marvel continuity, ignoring ''Generation Two'' and Marvel UK "future" stories}}

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===Generation 1 cartoon===
[[Image:Aubotot gladiator.jpg|right|200px|thumb|[[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], a Quint slave robot who would later become Autobot leader and bearer of the Matrix.]]
The Autobots originated as non-living machines, specifically the [[Quintesson]]s' domestic slave robot line. The Autobot symbol was in fact the original Quintesson slave brand. They generally have blue glowing optics. ''(Though the series did not always abide by it, there was some attempt to establish the fact that Autobots could not fly unaided in robot mode while the Decepticons generally could).''

Having achieved sentience and emotion against their creator's expectations, they rebelled and together with the Quintessons' military hardware (the future Decepticons) achieved freedom and kicked their masters to the curb. ''(Of note: no Decepticons are seen in the bits of the rebellion we are witness to, but it is presumed they took part nonetheless.)''

For a time peace reigned. But the military hardware grew restless and eventually declared war on their peace-loving brothers and sisters. During this dark time many ships of Autobot refugees left Cybertron to try to form peaceful colonies elsewhere in the universe.

Eventually the millitary robots were defeated when the Autobots invented the art of [[transforming]]. A new peace settled over Cybertron and what became known as the [[Golden Age]] began. This age was characterized by peace, prosperity, and an abundance of energy such that the metal of the whole planet literally glowed golden with its power. [[Guardian robot]]s patrolled the planet and helped keep the peace.

But eventually the Decepticons acquired the art of transforming as well. Megatron was born and under his leadership they rose up against the Autobots once more. Sentinel Prime was killed by Megatron and passed the Matrix of Leadership to [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] who held it safe until a young robot named Orion Pax was injured in one of Megatron's raids and rebuilt by Trion into the first of a new breed of Autobots specifically designed to combat the Decepticons. Thus Optimus Prime was born and under his leadership the Decepticons were stalemated.

The war raged on and eventually drained the entire planet of its once-rich sources of energy, leaving it a damaged, burnt-out gray husk of its former self. With no other choice the Autobots constructed the Ark, designed to fly Optimus Prime and his comrades to other planets in the search for new sources of energy.

The Ark launch bay was attacked just prior to lift-off and the [[Female Autobots]] under the command of [[Elita One]] vanished in the explosions. They were presumed destroyed by both sides, but actually survived to continue underground operations against Shockwave's regime on Cybertron.

[[Image:CosmicRust-BigGroup.jpg|left|300px|thumb|"Incompetent fools! There's only like seven Decepticons and fifty of us!"]]
Ambushed by the Decepticons, the Ark crashed into a nearby planet, named [[Earth]]. Crashing into a volcano, the impact rendered all the passengers, including members of both factions, into [[stasis lock]]. They were brought back online when the volcano erupted, and immediately resumed combat, this time on Earth.

The Autobots dedicated themselves to protecting Earth and its inhabitants from Megatron's forces. Their relationship with Earth's human governments and population were generally positive and mutually beneficial.

By 2005, the Decepticons had driven the Autobots from Cybertron, and they were now forced to operate out of two bases on Cybertron's moons with a reserve force at [[Autobot City]] on Earth. The Decepticons hijacked a supply shuttle, [[Battle of Autobot City|laying siege to Autobot City]]. The battle saw the deaths of many Autobots, including Optimus Prime, who in turn passed the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. However, [[Unicron]] arrived and devoured the two moons. Megatron, who had been reformatted into [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], stole the Matrix from Magnus, intending to use it against Unicron. Galvatron could not open the Matrix, and Unicron proceeded to attack Cybertron, decimating the Decepticon forces on the planet. However, the young Autobot [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] managed to take the Matrix from Galvatron, causing him to become Rodimus Prime. He opened the Matrix, causing Unicron's body to self destruct. Leaderless, the Decepticons fled the planet, and the Autobots reclaimed Cybertron.

The Autobots remained in control of Cybertron for the next few years, slowly working to revitalize their homeworld. They fairly easily fought off feints by the Quintessons and the remaining Decepticon forces. Eventually Optimus Prime was revived and resumed Autobot leadership. It wasn't until Galvatron launched an all out attack on Cybertron's [[Plasma Energy Chamber]] that the balance again threatened to tip the Decepticons' way. Thankfully it turned out all had been arranged by [[Vector Sigma]] to set in motion the repowering of Cybertron. The Decepticons were defeated, and Cybertron glowed golden with energy reborn at last.

''('''Note:''' in Japan, during [[Transformers 2010 (franchise)|Transformers 2010]], the Cybertrons who transformed into automobiles were referred to as a subgroup of the faction called "Autobots".)''

===Beast Wars cartoon===
{{main|Maximal}}

The Autobots won the Great War, and their descendants the [[Maximal]]s succeeded them. It's unclear what happened to the Autobots, though followup series provided more clues.

===Beast Machines cartoon===
[[Image:ProwlMaybe BM.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Where's your Pax Cybertronia now?]]
When [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] subdued Cybertron's population with his [[Transformation lock virus|virus]], he extracted their sparks and used their bodies as raw materials for building [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicons]]. [[Optimus Primal]] and his team discovered a junkyard/factory with acres of these corpses, one of which very clearly bore the Autobot symbol (and an uncanny resemblance to [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]). {{storylink|Revelations Part I: Discovery}} Also, among the [[Vehicon general]]s were the revived Great War veterans [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] and [[Strika (BM)|Strika]], who may have been Autobots themselves. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike}}

===3H comics===
Many of the great Autobot and Decepticon heroes (such as Optimus Prime, Grimlock, Soundwave, and Megatron) retired to a strange quasi-reality called [[J'nwan]]. Almost all who tried to reach J'nwan and seek their aid succumbed to madness, and the ancient heroes did not appreciate being disturbed by any survivors. However, the great figures did eventually decide to fight once more at [[Omega Point]], an event which erased much of the timeline they had come from. It's unclear whether or not J'nwan or the events regarding it remained intact.

===IDW Beast Wars comics===
The three components of the combiner [[Magnaboss]] are the Autobots [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]. They vanished after the [[Pax Cybertronia]] was signed, but it is said they will return in a time of great need. {{storylink|Beast Wars Sourcebook|Beast Wars Sourcebook}}

===DW Generation 1 comic===
[[Image:AutoLitho.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Come on you bots! Do you want to live forever?!?]]
The Autobots arose as the group who sided with Sentinel Prime and the [[Council of Ancients]] and opposed Megatron's desire for the conquest of Cybertron, but their inexperience with warfare led to a serious tactical disadvantage. Sentinel Prime led the war effort for half a million years, until Megatron killed him in combat, hoping to secure the Matrix from him. Sentinel's successor, Optimus Prime, originally decided to evacuate Cybertron, fearing that, even if the Autobots won, Cybertron would be a wasteland. However, a subsequent encounter between Optimus Prime and Megatron, where he learned of the planetary engines the Decepticon leader hoped to power with the Matrix, convinced Prime to remain on Cybertron. {{storylink|The War Within}}

Later, Optimus Prime and Megatron disappeared in a space bridge explosion. Without strong leadership, both sides degenerated into factions. The [[Wrecker]]s and the [[Lightning Strike Coalition]] broke off from the main Autobot army, which was led by Prowl {{storylink|The War Within: The Dark Ages}}. After [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] took control of the Autobots, he reunified the factions, and manage to negotiate a cease-fire with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave's]] Decepticons and Ratbat's [[Ultracon]]s. However, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream's]] [[Predacon (War Within)|Predacons]] made a last ditch assault, and Megatron suddenly returned leading the [[Aerospace Extermination Squadron]], an army of [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]] drones created by the Quintessons. Megatron managed to conquer Cybertron, forcing most of the Autobots into slavery and the escapees into hiding. The period of Autobot enslavement ended when Optimus Prime returned to Cybertron and the Air Warriors were destroyed. ''We don't know how.'' {{storylink|War Within: The Age of Wrath|The War Within: The Age of Wrath}}

Four million years before humans arose, Cybertron was threatened by a massive asteroid. The Autobots developed the ''Ark'' to destroy the asteroid. They were successful, but Megatron attacked with the ''Nemesis''. Both ships crashed on Earth, with both crews aboard the ''Ark''. On Cybertron, Ultra Magnus and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] worked to keep the Autobots from splitting up again. With energon growing scarce, Magnus agreed to work with Shockwave to create the [[Micromaster]]s, downsized Transformers intended for better fuel efficiency. Magnus also launched [[Operation: Containment]], a twofold program intended to prevent the Decepticons from threatening other planets and locating the ''Ark''. {{storylink|Micromasters}} However, with the [[Great Shutdown]], all Transformers entered a period of enforced [[stasis lock]]. Shockwave was the first to be reactivated, and made peace with the Autobots, installing himself as Head of State with an Autobot High Council as a legislature.

On Earth, the Autobots on the ''Ark'' awoke in 1984. Cut off from Cybertron, and seeing that a sentient species had evolved around them, the Autobots resolved to defend Earth from the Decepticons. Over the next fifteen years, the Autobots were largely successful at preventing a Decepticon conquest, while also befriending the [[Witwicky]] family. Eventually, the Autobots allied with the humans and defeated the Decepticons, capturing them. However, rogue elements of the United States Military, apparently being manipulated by Shockwave, sabotaged the ''[[Ark II]]'', capturing several Autobots and most of the Decepticons, until the chief scientist, [[Lazarus|Adam Rook]], went rogue and set himself up as an arms dealer. [[Robert Hallo]], the original mastermind of the conspiracy, used [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] to reactivate Optimus Prime, who revived the Autobots and stopped a reactivated Megatron. {{storylink|Prime Directive}} A year later, Shockwave came to tie up loose ends and acquire the Matrix from Prime. A rebel Autobot cell managed to rescue Prime, who united the other resistance groups, and Shockwave was overthrown, bringing Cybertron under Autobot control. {{storylink|War and Peace}}

===IDW Generation 1 comic===
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In somewhat of a twist from other continuities, the early Autobots in [[IDW Publishing|IDW's]] universe were less noble than their counterparts from the others. Millions of years ago, the Autobots were a police force appointed by the [[senate]]. The senate grew corrupt and their Autobot enforcers were seen as little more than thugs. During the closure of an [[Energon (fuel)|energon]]-mining facility, an outspoken miner was beaten to death by an Autobot guard. This sparked a riot, causing the Autobot unit to take even more lives. Some of the surviving miners escaped the captors and went underground and joined the [[gladiatorial combat]] games. Megatron rose as the leader of the games and gathered followers to oppose the hated Autobots, who were led by [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]. Megatron's [[Decepticon]]s eventually defeated Prime and took over the city of [[Kaon]] and started the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]]. {{storylink|Megatron Origin}}

Sentinel was succeeded by an unknown Autobot named Zeta Prime, who was protected from a Deception assassination attempt with Blurr's help, but was eventually killed by Megatron. {{storylink|Spotlight: Blurr}} The Autobots were then led by Optimus Prime and formed into small units to counter the Decepticon units infiltrating various planets. The two sides joined forces to combat [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] and the ensuing battle rendered Cybertron uninhabitable. {{storylink|Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer}}

==Robots in Disguise==
Here, the Autobots are the main race on Cybertron, and their enemies are the [[Predacon (RID)|Predacons]]. The Autobots fought in the [[Cybertronian Civil Wars]], presumably against the Predacons. [[Vector Sigma]], the [[Allspark]], chooses which Autobot is to be granted the Matrix and thus the position of commander-in-chief.

The Autobots were already on [[Earth]] when the Predacons arrived, having taken the form of Earth vehicles to work as camouflage and established a [[Space Bridge|Global Space Bridge network]] and a central base monitoring the entire planet.

In their disguises, the Autobots integrated themselves into human society; [[Team Bullet Train]] worked as actual trains, [[X-Brawn]] was owned as a car by [[Kelly (RID)|Kelly]], and Optimus Prime was working for a fire department. This continued after they went public; both [[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]] and [[Tow-Line (RID)|Tow-Line]], for example, were shown enforcing human laws in an apparently official capacity, suggesting the Autobots had official ties to human authorities.

It's known Optimus fought the Predacons on other worlds, presumably using the same tactics as on Earth.

==Unicron Trilogy==
===Comic continuity===
====Armada====
Originally, the Autobots were not a faction, but the name of a peacekeeping organization; under the command of [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], they defended [[Cyber City]]. Their headquarters was adorned with the motto "Truth - Justice - Freedom". They were unable to stop the [[Mini-Con]]-powered Decepticons from taking Cyber City, and for a million years they were reduced to a rebel organization desperately trying & failing to protect Cybertron. The reactivation of the Mini-Cons on Earth gave the Autobots an opportunity to gain Mini-Con power of their own, but eventually the Decepticons were beaten not by them, but due to the attack of [[Unicron]].

===Cartoon continuity===
====Armada====
Throughout the Unicron Trilogy, the Autobots switched motives after each major conflict. At first, they were attempting to liberate smaller robots, called [[Mini-Con]]s, from the tyrannical control of [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], who saw them as tools to be used and disposed of when no longer needed. The Autobots followed the Mini-Cons' ship to Earth, where they crashed and eventually continued their battle against the Decepticons (some two million years later. Geez, Megs can hold a grudge).

These two sides would unite to fight the Chaos Bringer, [[Unicron]], when he threatened to devour Cybertron. With Megatron sacrificing himself to save the rest of the Universe, Unicron shut down and was destroyed. The remaining Transformers united as the Autobots, following Megatron's order to assist them in rebuilding Cybertron.

====Energon====
Megatron's final orders to his troops still stood: work with the Autobots. The Decepticons maintained a degree of autonomy, still wearing the faction sigil and often taking military/defensive positions in the growing number of energon-mining colonies, but they were ultimately answerable to Optimus Prime and the Autobots. There were, of course, dissenters, most of whom were captured and imprisoned. For a decade, Autobot and Decepticon worked side-by-side in a somewhat stable truce.

Both sides found themselves the target of attacks from Unicron again; hordes of Terrorcon drones, sent by Alpha Quintesson to steal energon ore with which to revive the now-shattered husk of Unicron. What the alien did not count on was that Megatron's spark had survived within the remains, and was siphoning energon from Unicron's body. Soon the Decepticon leader had revived himself in a new form, driven off Alpha Quintesson, and, along with an elite cadre of soldiers and a seemingly inexhaustible supply of mindless Terrorcon drones, begun his new plans for conquest.

When news of Megatron's return reached Cybertron, hundreds of Decepticons rose up and rebelled, eager to get back to conquering. But having been joined to Unicron for so long apparently had given Megatron a taste of godhood; he had no more interest in amassing a galaxy-spanning army of troops. Countless Decepticons died in the resulting battles, with Megatron more than willing to sacrifice them without a thought to attain ultimate power for himself. As the "Powerlinx Battles" - as they came to be called - came to their climax, Megatron found that his actions and thoughts were being influenced and controlled by the dark spark of Unicron. Unwilling to let Unicron stand in his way, Megatron ultimately sacrificed himself (again) and seemingly destroyed Unicron's spark by plunging himself into a newly-formed energon sun created by Primus.

====Cybertron====
Another ten years after Energon, the energon sun created by Primus was gone, collapsed into the [[Unicron Singularity]], a giant black hole threatening to devour all of existence. In death, Unicron's power to destroy his only opposition - Primus - was greater than ever. The Autobots searched for a method of destroying the Black Hole and found a single answer; the Omega Lock, a powerful artifact linked to the Spark of Primus. With it, the Universe could be saved... or destroyed. Seeing an opportunity to rebuild existence in his own image, Megatron sought out the Omega Lock and the Cyber Planet Keys.

As the two sides battled for the Keys, the Autobots would eventually find all four and use them to revive Primus, but in doing so caused a massive earthquake that began shattering the planet around them.

Or so they thought.

Primus was emerging from Cybertron, awakened from the body he sculpted into a world for his creation. When informed of Unicron's destruction, he was infuriated to find that the universe was out of balance because of a severe lack of evil. Starscream attacked Primus' weakened form, due to the smaller robot stealing a piece of his spark and becoming an even equally huge monster, but was quickly dispatched by his creator. Defeated, Starscream flew off, leaving the Autobots to seal the Black Hole. Once this was accomplished, Galvatron attempted an escape from his fire dimension, but by combining Vector Prime's sword with the Omega Lock, the portal was sealed, and the Autobots returned home in peace.

The remaining Decepticons joined the Autobots, save for four who left Earth to start the New Decepticon Army. Their ship made it to Mars before crashing.

==Live-action film series==
[[Image:Movie Sam Mikaela meettheAutobots.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]
The Autobots (autonomous robotic organisms) are the second Cybertronian civilization, being the descendants of the early workers who served the [[Dynasty of Primes]]. Following the outbreak of the war, the Autobots became the Transformers who rallied around [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]], the last of the Primes, to prevent [[Megatron (Movie)|Protector Megatron]] from claiming the [[AllSpark (Movie)|All Spark]]. They were formed mostly from the [[Science Division]], the [[Security Force]], and what few members of the [[Defense Force]] rejected Megatron's violent ambitions. Although they fought valiantly, the Decepticons were more warlike, and they began to gain ground. In a move to prevent the Decepticons from acquiring the All Spark, Prime sent it hurtling into deep space. Megatron followed, and disappeared. The Autobots then scattered among the universe, searching for the All Spark. {{storylink|Defiance}} {{storylink|Movie Prequel (2007)|Prime Directives}}

Following some twelve thousand years of searching, the Autobots encountered a stranded human vessel in space. Known as [[Ghost One]], the creatures aboard, named humans, revealed that they had developed the ship based on studies from Megatron. Recognizing that Megatron would destroy their world if he came back online, Optimus tried to send them back to Earth, but they sacrificed their lives to save Optimus from [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]. Already suspecting that the All Spark was on their homeworld, the Autobots made efforts to find [[Earth]]. {{storylink|Ghosts of Yesterday}}

Eventually, the Autobots made their way to Earth, discovering a link to the All Spark with [[Sam Witwicky]]. The Autobot [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] came into Sam's possession, and contacted Optimus Prime. Prime came to Earth with [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] to retrieve the All Spark and eliminate Megatron, fearing the Decepticon would use the Cube to raise an army from human technology. However, Starscream's retrieval team was also on Earth, having come for the All Spark. The Autobots were further hampered by [[Sector Seven]], the human agency tasked with dealing with Transformers. Eventually forming a brief truce with Sector Seven and a group of Army Rangers who had encountered [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] and [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]], the Autobots fought off the Decepticons in [[Mission City]], which saw the deaths of Megatron, Blackout, [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]], and [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]], but Jazz was killed and the All Spark destroyed when Sam Witwicky extinguished Megatron's spark. Without a means to restore Cybertron, the Autobots decided to remain on Earth, and Optimus Prime sent a message into space for Autobots to come and protect their new home and newfound allies in humanity. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}}

Over the next two years, more Autobots began making their way to Earth, such as [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]], [[Jolt (Movie)|Jolt]], [[Salvage (Movie)|Salvage]], and others, joining a human military force known as [[NEST]]. Under the classified Autobot Alien cooperation act, the Autobots entrusted the remaining All Spark shard to humanity and gave them intelligence about the Decepticons they were facing. However, the Autobots refused to share weapons technology with humanity, knowing their history internecine warfare. {{storylink|Alliance}} {{storylink|The Veiled Threat}}

In 2009, NEST had five encounters with the Decepticons on different continents, indicating that the Decepticons were searching for something. During a sweep of [[Shanghai]], NEST encountered [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] and [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]], who caused substantial damage to the city during their attempts to escape. Although they were neutralized, Demolishor relayed a warning to Optimus Prime: "[[The Fallen]] will rise again". Following this, NEST returned to their base of operations at [[Diego Garcia]], where they relayed the warning to [[Morshower|General Morshower]] and [[Theodore Galloway|Director Galloway]]. Having been appointed liaison by the President, Galloway concluded that the Decepticons only interest in Earth was to hunt down the Autobots. Unfortunately, Galloway also revealed both Megatron's resting place and the presence of the shard on Diego Garica. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] was listening to the briefing, and directed [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] and the [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]]s to raise Megatron. Meeting with his master, The Fallen, Megatron was commanded to retrieve Sam Witwicky, who had absorbed the knowledge of the AllSpark, and kill Optimus Prime, the only one who could defeat The Fallen. Optimus died helping Sam escape, and the Decepticons launched multiple attacks to have the humans turn Sam over to them. Galloway used the attacks as an excuse to have himself placed in charge of NEST and place the Autobots under guard.

Meanwhile, Sam, his girlfriend [[Mikaela Banes]], and his roommate [[Leo Spitz]] were being hidden by Bumblebee and the Twins [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]], and with help from [[Seymour Simmons]] of Sector Seven, discovered Decepticon-turned-Autobot [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], who told them that the Fallen, one of the founders of the Dynasty of Primes, was looking for the Matrix of Leadership needed to activate the solar harvester, which would destroy Earth's sun and make energon. Sam was able to find the Matrix and use it to revive Optimus Prime, who, armed with the knowledge of his family and parts from the dead Jetfire, managed to destroy the harvester and kill the Fallen, saving Earth. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

{{note|In the movie it is Ratchet who provides the name "Autobot", claiming it is an abbreviation after Optimus' line, "We are autonomous robotic organisms from the planet Cybertron". Seeing as how Decepticons also fit this description, this may imply that "Autobot" is the species name for the Transformers. In a departure from previous Transformers incarnations, Japan used the name "Autobots" for this franchise, rather than "Cybertrons".<ref>[http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/products/movie/autobots.html Movie Autobots toy listing on Takaratomy.com]</ref>}}

==Animated==
The Autobots in the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated continuity]] won the [[Great War (Animated)|Great War]] with the Decepticons because of three things: the Autobot-exclusive [[space bridge]] technology, [[Project Omega]], and by sending the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] into space to keep the Decepticons from getting it. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}} Since then [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] has known peace under the rule of the [[Autobot High Council]], headed by a [[Magnus]], in this case [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]]. Magnus heads the military portion of the planet's defense force, the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]], which is based at [[Fortress Maximus (Animated)|Fortress Maximus]] ([[Alpha Trion (Animated)|Alpha Trion]] is in charge of the civilian guards, which may include the [[Cyber-Ninja Corps]]). [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] is a subordinate rank answerable to the Magnus, and [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]], [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel]], [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus]] and [[Shockwave (Animated)|Longarm]] have been promoted to this rank. A lower officer is known as a [[Minor (rank)|Minor]]. The High Council, [[Cybertron Intelligence]] and the [[Ministry of Science]] are based at the [[Metroplex (Animated)|Metroplex]].

==Shattered Glass==
[[Image:Autobot Shattered Glass.png|right|177px|thumb|...the evil forces of the Autobots.]]
{{quote|'Til all are gone.|[[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]]|[[Shattered Glass]]}}

In this universe, the Autobots are the evildoers, bent on conquering and destroying everything in their path, starting with Earth. On Cybertron, they are the dominant faction, ruled by the Prime, specifically [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]]. Ranks are in constant flux due to their backstabbing nature. [[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]] may very well usurp rule one day. {{storylink|Shattered Glass}}
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==''Prime'' continuity==
"Autobot", a contraction of "autonomous robot", was an old philosopical phrase [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Orion Pax]] found on the [[DataNet]] and one that he suggested to his friend [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] to be the name of their movement to abolish the [[caste system]]. At their hearing with the [[Autobot High Council|High Council]], Orion used the term over and over again to remind his enthusiastic followers of the freedom they sought. He implored the Council choose a new Prime, so [[Halogen]] chose Orion as the new Prime, tearing Orion and Megatron's movement in two. In the war with Megatron's Decepticons, the Autobots only held fifteen percent of Cybertron, including [[Iacon (city-state)|Iacon]] and [[Kalis]]. The Autobots left Cybertron on the ''[[Ark (Prime)|Ark]]'', transported by the [[space bridge]] to the [[Milky Way]]. [[Ultra Magnus (Prime)|Ultra Magnus]]'s [[Wrecker]]s, [[Jetfire (Prime)|Jetfire]], [[Omega Supreme (Prime)|Omega Supreme]] and [[Alpha Trion (Prime)|Alpha Trion]] remained on the planet. ''{{storylink|Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron}}''

==Merchandise==
===Transformers (2007)===
====Transformers Movie Screen Cleaners====
[[Image:Movie Autobot Screencleaner.jpg|right|106px|thumb|This was originally the top bit of [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion's]] pimp cane.]]
*'''Autobot''' (2008)
:Released by [[TakaraTomy|Tomy Yujin]] in January 2008<ref>[http://www.gachausa.com/products/transformers.asp Tomy Yujin ''Transformers'' page]</ref>, this dangler is a [[Insignia|faction logo]]-shaped screen cleaner for your cell phone, with a stock image of Autobot insignia printed on the other side.
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====Kinnerton====
[[Image:Kinnerton Transformers Tin.jpg|right|200px|thumb|For holding all your Autobot-symbol-shaped cookies.]]
*'''Transformers Tin''' (2008)
: Confectionery and... stationary company [[Kinnerton]] produced ''Movie''-style Autobot sigil-shaped tins. It is currently unknown what these tins were used for. These tins and other Kinnerton products were available in [[Australia]].
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====PTI Group====
*'''Transformers Treat Containers''' (2008)
:Produced as an exclusive for [[Target]] stores, these blue plastic containers were molded in the shape of the Autobot symbol. They were sold in packs of three. While not dishwasher safe, they were perfect for containing any number of small treats.
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==References==
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MediaWiki:TFWiki.net Sweep-Stakes/Entries

2010-03-24T14:44:05Z

Rideonshootingstarxx:

This is the page for the '''TFWiki.Net Sweep-Stakes''' contest entries. Please put your article of choice and user name below in the following manner:

*[[Small Foot]] --(four tildes)

Contest entry period ends '''April 5th, 2010'''. Good luck, everyone! --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 01:41, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

==Contest Entries==
*[[Blitzwing Bop]] -- [[User:TrentTroop|TrentTroop]]
*[[Antilian bumble-puppy]] [[User:Star Saber|Star Saber]] 02:12, 23 March 2010 (EDT) SS
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*[[Particle cannon]] --[[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 06:25, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
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*[[Canonizing]] --[[User:Cliffjumper prime|Cliffjumper prime]] 11:46, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
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*[[Paradron]] --[[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 12:26, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
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Krunix (G1)

2009-09-24T02:00:37Z

Rideonshootingstarxx: disambuigation with Kranix

{{disambig2|the giant Fracas|the last survivor of Lithone|Kranix}}
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:''Krunix is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Marvel Comics]] portion of the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Krunix01.jpg|right|260px|thumb|He's kinda the Marvel Comic equivalent of Cyclonus's Armada.]]
'''Krunix''' exists. He asks his fellow Decepticons to save some for him. Some... anything.

It is impossible to discern anything about Krunix's personality from his actions, statements, or others' reactions to him.

==Fiction==
===Marvel UK Comics continuity===
Krunix took part in the Decepticons raid on [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]'s base in the [[Manganese Mountains]]. He was concerned the transmission from [[Zarak (Nebulan)|Lord Zarak]] could be a booby-trap before discovering it was an alien language.

Krunix was among the Decepticons that traveled to Nebulos, and was part of Scorponok's handpicked team that laid siege to [[Koraja]]. {{storylink|Broken Glass!}}

==Notes==
*In [[Broken Glass!|''Headmasters'' #2]], [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] is supposed to appear in a couple of scenes. However, artist [[Frank Springer]] accidentally drew a giant-sized version of [[Nightstick (Cyclonus)|Nightstick]] instead, which was then colored like Cyclonus. (The giant Nightstick is actually a giant [[Fracas]], since the two Nebulons' character models got swapped... oy!) For the UK printing of the story, since audiences were already very familiar with Cyclonus from exclusive stories in that comic, the giant Nightstick was renamed "Krunix".

==External links==
* [http://s90690880.onlinehome.us/jhiaxus/uscomics/cyclonus2krunix.htm Krunix on the Obscure Transformers page]

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Kranix (G1)

2009-09-24T01:54:38Z

Rideonshootingstarxx: disambuigation with Krunix

{{disambig2|the Lithone who escaped being eaten to... get eaten|the giant Fracas|Krunix}}
:''Kranix is a [[Lithone (planet)|Lithone]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:TFTMKranixArblus.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Kranix is the one carrying the beakers.]]
'''Kranix''' is the last survivor of the consumed planet [[Lithone (planet)|Lithone]]. Well-versed in the art of combat, the friar warrior Kranix has an advanced artificial intelligence, possessing a full range of emotion. But unlike his companion [[Arblus]], this emotion does not cripple him with fear. Rather, he's friendly and polite, seeming almost human.

That is, until his present situation, which has carved a faultline in his chivalrous exterior.

==Fiction==
===''The Transformers: The Movie''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Norman Alden]] (US), [[Toshio Ishii]] (Japan)

On the planet Lithone, Arblus and Kranix were either friends with or the assistants to a scientist. The pair brought the scientist a couple of fluid-filled vials while he worked, although Kranix was the only one to do any carrying (lazy Arblus). Unfortunately, the building shook, sending the chemicals to the floor.

It wasn't seismic activity, however — running to a nearby window, the Lithones saw it was the menace they knew as [[Unicron]]! Kranix compelled his companions to get to the escape ships, but only the one he and Arblus were on managed to escape the pull of Unicron's gravity. After Lithone was destroyed, Kranix and Arblus somehow became prisoners on [[Quintessa]], the home of the dreaded [[Quintesson|Quintessons]] and [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticons]]. Arblus was the first to receive his death sentence from the Quintesson judge, leaving Kranix as the last survivor of Lithone (so far as he knew).

Not long afterward, the [[Autobot|Autobots]] [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] and [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] were placed in the cell next to Kranix. Kranix told them of the Quintessons and his planet's demise, but would not enjoy their company long, for Quintesson guards soon came to take Kranix to his fate. Over the plank above the Sharkticon pit, Kranix protested the mockery of justice that the Quintessons represented. He was then fed to the Sharkticons and eaten. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie|The Transformers: The Movie}}

{{note|In the [[The Planet Eater!|Marvel Comics adaptation of the movie]], Kranix and Arblus were running from mysterious acid mist that is eclipsing their planet, when Arblus is overtaken and devoured by the mist. Fearing for his life, Kranix transformed into his spaceship mode and fled Lithone as it dissolved.}}
==Trivia==
*At several points in an earlier draft of the Movie script, Kranix is referred to as Granix.
* It is never revealed within the film how Arblus and Kranix ended up on Quintessa after escaping Unicron. A deleted line of dialogue explained that the Quintessons hunted down those who escaped the wrath of Unicron and put them on trial, with the sentence always being the same — '''death!'''

==External links==
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Kranix Kranix's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Wing Saber (Energon)

2009-08-08T18:01:51Z

Rideonshootingstarxx: /* Energon cartoon */

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{{disambig2|the character in [[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]|the [[Maximal]] who later became Airazor|Airazor (BW)}}
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:''Wing Saber is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:WingSaber-comic.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Wing Saber joins Robots in Disguise Ultra Magnus in the proud tradition of being a Magic Mushroom for an Optimus.]]
'''Wing Saber''' is an Autobot who used to be called '''Wing Dagger'''. Then [[Shockblast (Energon)|Shockblast]] happened to him. Since then, Wing Saber has led a noble life of becoming parts for [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]. Wing Saber even has his own personal team of [[Mini-Con]]s, the [[Caliber Mini-Cons]].

:''Japanese name:'' '''Sonic Bomber''' (''Galaxy Force'')
:''Hungarian name:'' '''Éleskard''' ("Sharp Sword"), '''Éleskés''' ("Sharp Knife", Wing Dagger)<ref>On the ''Ultimate Battle DVD'' special, Wing Dagger is called '''Tőrszárny''', the most accurate of the translations (means "Dagger Wing"), but not the most fancy-sounding.</ref>

==Fiction==
===''Energon'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Colin Murdoch]] (English), [[Kōji Yusa]] (Japanese), [[Christian Jernbro]] (Swedish)

Wing Dagger served the Autobots as a security guard on Cybertron; he was the jailer in charge of the Decepticon criminal [[Shockblast (Energon)|Shockblast]]. During a Decepticon uprising, Shockblast escaped his prison. {{storylink|Alpha Q: Identity|Alpha Q: Identity}} Wing Dagger and his friend [[Padlock]] pursued him, but Shockblast ended up killing Padlock. Wing Dagger grieved for his friend and swore revenge on Shockblast. {{storylink|Shockblast: Rampage}}

During a Decepticon assault on Cybertron, Wing Dagger lassoed Shockblast with energy bands, but the powerful Decepticon simply pulled him up into the air. As they wove through the sky among the [[Energon tower|energon towers]], the Decepticon blasted one of the towers, causing it to crash down upon Wing Dagger and Tidal Wave. Tidal Wave survived with damage, but Wing Dagger died. {{storylink|Each One Fights...}}

Wing Dagger's inert form was taken to [[Primus]]. {{storylink|Unicron Unleashed}} With the aid of [[Rad White|Rad]], Primus restored the warrior, imbuing him with a [[Spark of Combination]]. {{storylink|Open Fire!}} Reformatted into Wing Saber, he joined Optimus's team not only to find energon, but to avenge the death of his friend.

Wing Saber, having been reformatted and re-powered by Primus himself, understood his task of being Optimus Prime's personal servant. Optimus Prime reminded Wing Saber that he was not Prime's property, and Wing Saber seemed to have issues figuring out who he was. He went with Optimus's team as they pursued Megatron into [[Alpha Q's universe|a fledgling new dimension]]. {{storylink|Ripped Up Space|Ripped Up Space}}

Wing Saber eventually faced off with Shockblast again on [[Iron Planet]]. After making sure that his half-dozen buddies were backing him up, he gave the lone Decepticon a thorough trashing and captured him. Oh, brave Wing Saber! Shockblast was defeated at last; Padlock was avenged, and justice was served. {{storylink|Protection}}

Shockblast escaped about a day later. Wing Saber didn't seem to notice much. {{storylink|Imprisoned Inferno}}

Wing Saber continued to help Optimus and the other Autobots defend Alpha Q's planets. {{storylink|Jungle Planet (episode)|Jungle Planet}} He braved the hazards of the [[Rift (Energon)|rift in space]] to locate Unicron's missing body. {{storylink|Omega Supreme (episode)|Omega Supreme}} Like most of the team, he was severely damaged during the final confrontation with Unicron. {{storylink|Optimus Supreme}} He returned to the ''Miranda II''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s sick bay as the battle neared its end. {{storylink|Unicron Perishes}}

Later, he returned to Cybertron, {{storylink|Ambition}} and led underground resistance to Galvatron's invasion of the planet. {{storylink|Galvatron!}} {{storylink|Break Through}} Optimus finally arrived to help them, and he and Wing Saber linked up once more to stand up against Galvatron. {{storylink|The Omega Train}} They took a direct hit from the planet's [[energon grid]], however, and went down in flames. Wing Saber was left unconscious, and was nearly destroyed by Galvatron until the Omnicons arrived to restore him. He and Optimus recombined, striking a devastating blow to Galvatron, prompting him to retreat. {{storylink|Decepticon Army}}

Wing Saber was among the gathered troops who joined with Optimus Prime in spark form to confront the massive [[Megatron (Armada)|Galvatron]]-[[Unicron]] fusion. Like the others, he was restored to his own body after the battle's conclusion. {{storylink|The Sun}}

===''Cybertron'' cartoon===
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Sam Vincent]] (English), [[Takayasu Usui]] (Japanese)
{{cleanup|October 2008|It is poorly written as one giant paragraph and slightly out-of-universe. Needs storylinks.}}

Wing Saber returned during the search for the [[Cyber Planet Key|Cyber Planet Keys]], but with a new rebellious, irreverent edge. Having undergone a falling out with Optimus Prime in the brief period between ''Energon'' and ''Cybertron'' involving the life of a stranded astronaut, Wing Saber took off into space and returned when he encountered the [[Omega Frequency]] wave after the [[Velocitron|Speed Planet]] Key was inserted into the [[Omega Lock]] on [[Earth]]. Wing Saber now showed signs of a new defiant attitude toward his former allies, even to the point of violence. He attacked Optimus Prime at one point (claiming Prime had it coming) and fired at Hot Shot's feet when the latter questioned him once. However, Wing Saber quickly found himself part of the team again, which led to reviving his ability to combine with Optimus Prime to create their Sonic Wing Mode. Wing Saber continued to aid the Autobots until the end of the series, at which point he departed and eventually encountered (and dueled with) the mighty [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], who had somehow survived his duel with Galvatron on [[Gigantion|the Giant Planet]].

{{note|Sonic Bomber is not the same character as Energon Wing Saber in ''Galaxy Force''. Probably. Maybe. Takara's [[retcon]] of ''Galaxy Force'' back into [[continuity]] with ''Super Link'' makes things questionable.}}

==Toys==
===Energon===
[[Image:EnergonWingSaber.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Brickimus Maximus!]]
*'''Wing Saber''' (Mega, 2004)
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''SC-17'''
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles
: ''Energon'' Wing Saber transforms into a Cybertronic "flying wing" jet. In both jet and robot mode he has a pair of spring-loaded missile launchers. He disassembles into four portions, which attach to the limbs on the Super-class ''Energon'' Optimus Prime toy. When Wing Saber's upper-body parts and wings are attached to Prime's arms, they are in "Flight Mode", while the lower-body-as-arms configuration brings Wing Saber's non-firing cannons to the forefront, forming "Fight Mode".

:As Wing Saber is essentially a glorified accessory for the Super class Optimus Prime figure, his robot mode is a [[brick]], with almost no articulation beyond some minor movement in his lower arms.

: The [[Takara]] version predated the [[Hasbro]] release by several months. The two versions are largely identical, but Takara's has a greater number of more intricate [[Paint operation|paint applications]].

::*[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/WingSaber/wingsaber.htm More information on Wing Saber at TFU.info]

===Cybertron===
*'''Wing Saber''' (Ultra, 2005)
**''Japanese ID Number:'' '''GC-22'''
**''Accessories'': Left & right blades, 2 blade-handles, left & right spring-loaded missile launchers, 2 missiles, Autobot Cybertron-planet Cyber Key
[[Image:Cyb wingsaber toy.jpg|left|170px|thumb|His guns have guns on them which also shoot tiny guns.]]
: ''Cybertron'' Wing Saber transforms into a heavily armed military plane based on an A-10 Thunderbolt. Pressing the button behind his cockpit canopy causes a machine gun sound to emit from a speaker on the bottom of the nosecone. Plugging a [[Cyber Planet Key]] into the key slot behind his canopy splits the nosecone fuselage in half and exposes a cannon with a red LED. Pressing the button activates the same machine gun sound effect, this time with the red LED flashing.

:Wing Saber's wing-flaps detach to form swords; for Wing Saber to use them, they need to be inserted into sword-handles that plug into 5mm holes in his forearms, as his hands are incompatible with the standard weapon-pegs. His removable spring-loaded missile launchers, mounted under his wings, can also be attached to those ports. Wing Saber can also form a backpack for Leader class Optimus Prime's super mode, forming their '''Sonic Wing Mode'''.

[[Image:GF SonicBomber toy.jpg|right|150px|thumb|FAINARU FYU-Oh wait, wrong show.]]
:Wing Saber comes with a silver-bordered Cybertron planet Autobot Cyber Key with the [[Cyber Key Codes|key code]] '''uya7''' printed on the back.

:The vast majority of [[Takara]]'s ''Galaxy Force'' GC-22 Sonic Bomber figures have a misaligned "nose guard" that can obscure the eyes in some cases. This problem was fixed for the [[Hasbro]] Wing Saber figure. The Sonic Bomber figure preceded [[Hasbro]]'s Wing Saber by several months and has a slightly different deco. Differences include silver chromed saber blades and a gold chromed chest shield. Minor changes were also made to graphics on the plane, such as an entirely red nosecone as opposed to Sonic Bomber's red striped, and smaller [[Autobot]] insignias on the wings.

:This mold was [[Redeco|redecoed]] to make [[Wingblade]].

::*[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/WingSaber/wingsaber.htm More information on ''Cybertron'' Wing Saber at TFU.info]

*'''Sonic Convoy''' (Gift set, 2005)
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''EX-02'''

:[[Takara]] issued a slight Sonic Bomber [[redeco]] as a (rushed) Toys "R" Us [[exclusive]] set with transparent [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Galaxy Convoy]] and a [[retool]] of "[[Scrapmetal (type)|Rumble]]" as "[[Cobybot|Coby's Rumble]]". Sonic Bomber received only very minor changes; the saber blades were changed from silver chrome to gold chrome, all red paint was changed to metallic red, and the chest shield halves were now red chrome rather than gold. Benefiting from a [[Hasbro]] tweak, this version also has a properly aligned "nose guard".

*'''Optimus Prime and Wing Saber''' (2-pack, 2006)

:This set, consisting of totally unmodified versions of Cybertron Optimus Prime and Wing Saber, was released as a CostCo exclusive. The set also includes a DVD with the Cybertron episode ''[[United]]''. This set comes in a particularly huge box, and retailed for $35.99, five dollars less than the MSRP for Optimus Prime by himself.

==Notes==
* ''Energon'' Wing Saber was a toy-concept initiated by [[Takara]] and left largely to their own design team to develop, though they had to follow various [[Hasbro]] price-point mandates. The toy was detail-designed by noted Japanese fan [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] and incorporates elements of fan-favorites [[Predaking]] and [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]].

* Ichikawa originally envisioned Wing Saber's personal weapon to be the [[Energon Saber]]. This was nixed by the animation production staff, however, along with many other toy-team concepts.

* ''Energon'' Wing Saber was originally named [[Superion Maximus]] for his western incarnation, but the name was shelved in favor of simply reusing the established Japanese name. "Superion Maximus" was reused for the combined form of the ''Energon'' [[Air Team]] shortly thereafter.

[[Image:CYB sonic bomber originalsculpt.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Sonic Bomber has wing sabers.]]
* Wing Saber's bio on Transformers.com, first appearing under the "Superion Maximus" title, was largely different from anything else, wherein "Wing Saber" was a venerable defender of high ranking Autobots and was the personal carrier of the Autobot high council.

* ''Cybertron'' Wing Saber's original sculpt featured a different vehicle mode nosecone design than seen on the final toy. As revealed by the Japanese online retailer [http://www.amenbo.com Amenbo.com] on April 29 2005, the original sculpt had a much greater resemblance to the A-10 Thunderbolt, with a rounded nose cone, a correctly shaped (translucent) canopy, and twin translucent Gatling cannons. It is unknown what prompted the change from this more realistic sculpt to the entirely opaque one seen on the final toy.

*''Cybertron'' Wing Saber was originally named "Knockout", but this was presumably shelved to have another preexisting character in the series.

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_frm/thread/b064ea50d2b114d0/43847f79db724831?lnk=st&q=&rnum=3&hl=en#43847f79db724831 An interview with Hirofumi Ichikawa on his ''Energon'' work]

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Brawn (Animated)

2009-07-25T04:13:16Z

Rideonshootingstarxx: useless trivia removed

{{factions|autobot}}
{{disambig3|Brawn}}
:''Brawn is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:TransWarpBrawn.jpg|thumb|right|300px|You want me to punchisize your face, for free?!]]

'''Brawn''' is not the kind of bot you want to get on the bad side of. Though his size puts him even in the shadow of a certain [[Bumblebee (Animated)|small yellow bot]], his strength surpasses that of even one of the [[Bulkhead (Animated)|bulkiest of Autobots]]. Those who are (foolishly) unaware of this tend to underestimate him often. But once he's entered a battle, this grumpy bot heads in full on with brute force, letting his fists do the talking for him.

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
[[Image:TransWarpedBrawnBoulder.jpg|left|thumb|150px|I got your log right here!]]
Brawn, under the command of [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus Prime]], was part of a team defending [[space bridge 687-030]] from [[Team Chaar]]. After getting strafed by [[Cyclonus (Animated)|Cyclonus]], Brawn illustrated his namesake by ripping out a chunk of the ground and hurling it at [[Strika (Animated)|Strika]] and [[Oil Slick (Animated)|Oil Slick]], almost taking both of them out. As the battle heated up, Brawn, along with [[Ironhide (Animated)|Ironhide]], was damaged by an explosively launched [[Red Alert (Animated)|Red Alert]], courtesy of [[Spittor (Animated)|Spittor]]. Still in the fight and managing to be on equal terms of strength with Strika, he and Ironhide both fell back to protect the space bridge under the orders of Rodimus, only to be taken out by Oil Slick and Cyclonus, along with Ironhide. {{storylink|TransWarped}}

==Notes==
* ''Animated'' Brawn was designed by [[Irineo Maramba]].<ref>[http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2008/12/marty-isenberg-interview.html Marty Isenberg Interview comments section.]</ref>
==References==
<references />

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Safeguard

2009-07-09T05:48:37Z

Rideonshootingstarxx: Redirecting to Safeguard (disambiguation)

#REDIRECT [[Safeguard (disambiguation)]]

The Test (episode)

2009-07-08T17:11:59Z

Rideonshootingstarxx: /* Synopsis */

{{disambig2|the ''Robots in Disguise'' episode|the Blackthorne comic issue|The Test (Blackthorne issue)}}
{{episode|
|series=RiD
|ep=18
|title="The Test"
|japanese=正義に目覚めよ! ブラックコンボイ
|romaji=Seigi ni Mezameyo! Black Convoy
|translation=Awaken to Righteousness! Black Convoy"
|image=The Test Scourge driver.jpg
|caption="DRIVE CAREFULLY, SIR, AND HAVE A NICE DAY"
|production code=
|production company=[[TV Tokyo]], NAS, Studio Gallop
|written by=[[Junki Takegami]] (Japanese) [[Tom Wyner]] (English)
|director=[[Akira Katō]]
|animation studio=Studio Gallop
|airdate=[[August 2|2 August]] 2000 (Japanese) [[September 26]], 2001 (English)
|continuity=
}}

'''Try a clever ruse''' 
'''Pretend to be Autobots''' 
'''Don't lose your temper!'''

==Synopsis==
[[Image:Taireport.jpg|left|200px|thumb|This is terrible! They just rebuilt from the Cloverfield attack!]]
On [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]]'s orders, [[Sky-Byte]] heads out to destroy a drilling platform in the ocean; seeing this, [[T-AI]] alerts [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]]. As the platform goes up in flames, the celebratory shark is already composing a victory haiku, until [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]] shows up...and attacks Sky-Byte, much to the latter's outrage. When Optimus shows up as well, Sky-Byte opts for the better part of valor and flees. Optimus takes the opportunity to plead with Scourge to reject Megatron's programming, but Scourge transforms and rolls away without a word. Still, Optimus is heartened, feeling that the attack on Sky-Byte is a sign that Scourge's [[Autobot]] nature is returning.

At the [[Megastar|Predacon base]], Megatron demands to know why Sky-Byte didn't complete his assignment. Sky-Byte wastes no time detailing Scourge's betrayal, but Megatron flatly refuses to consider that Scourge might be disloyal to him. Sky-Byte is convinced that something is seriously wrong.

[[Image:The Test Meeting.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Little white flags? Really?]]
Things aren't going much more harmoniously at Autobot headquarters; Optimus is convinced that Scourge's good side is beginning to win out, but the [[Autobot Brothers]] are...skeptical, to put it politely. T-AI interrupts the discussion to say they're receiving a clandestine transmission; it turns out to be [[Mega-Octane]] requesting a one-on-one meeting with Optimus. The other Autobots are sure it's a trap, but Optimus thinks it's a cry for help and insists on going alone. At the meeting, Mega-Octane explains that he and the other [[Decepticon|Decepticons]], including Scourge, want to defect to the Autobots. Optimus is pleased and Sky-Byte, who is eavesdropping, feels vindicated.

Alas for both of them, it's a scam. (Decepticons? Deceitful? Who knew?) Mega-Octane reports to Megatron that their plan is working perfectly: Optimus believes they're sincere, and if they can keep it up, eventually the Autobots will trust them enough to reveal the location of their secret base...at which point the Decepticons can blow it off the map. Scourge grumbles that lies and betrayal are beneath a true warrior, but Mega-Octane assures him it's worth it--with the Autobots' monitoring equipment gone, the Decepticons can raid Earth at will.

The Autobots (wisely) continue to argue with Optimus that the Decepticons can't be trusted. Optimus agrees that they should remain alert, but insists on giving the 'Cons a chance. [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] has an idea: make them prove their sincerity by subjecting them to a "foolproof" test. Specifically, set them to work at public service jobs, starting with cleaning up a random forest (with...brooms?) because protecting the environment is an important part of being an Autobot.

[[Image:Scourgebroom.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Scourge and the Sweeps]]
After some initial protests, the Decepticons grit their teeth and set to work with the best fake enthusiasm they can muster, even after Side Burn himself gets distracted and abandons the job for a red sportscar (before being pointedly recalled by Optimus). Surprised by their willingness, Side Burn turns up the heat, setting the 'Cons to directing traffic, working construction, and cleaning waterways. After they've endured a full day of this, Mega-Octane is just barely keeping Scourge from exploding, but the Autobots are impressed (although [[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]] is still skeptical), and go back on patrol, leaving the Decepticons with Optimus. Optimus agrees that they've proven their worth, and is about to take them back to the base...

[[Image:Scourgecar.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Dibs on the end piece!]]
...at which point Sky-Byte, who's been watching the whole time, decides to attack, hoping to demonstrate his value to Megatron by destroying the "traitors". The Decepticons take him on with a will, figuring that proving their loyalty to Optimus by blowing up the annoying shark is a win-win situation. It's a short fight, but unfortunately [[Kelly]], with her usual luck, gets in the middle and only Optimus's intervention keeps her from getting sliced in two by Scourge as he goes for Sky-Byte. Mega-Octane tries desperately to explain this away, but Scourge has now completely lost it and refuses to be shut up, announcing that the "farce" is over. He sneers at Optimus for allowing his compassion to make him weak and gullible. Furious, Optimus attacks the Decepticons single-handedly. T-AI alerts Prowl, [[X-Brawn]] and Side Burn and they race to his rescue, but discover that Optimus at full power is a match for the entire Decepticon group, forcing them to retreat empty-handed.

Later, Optimus apologizes to the Autobots for allowing his hopes to override his better judgment. They tell him it was an understandable mistake, and assure him they're still with him. Awww.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[T-AI]] (2)
*[[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] (3)
*[[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] (7)
*[[X-Brawn]] (8)
*[[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]] (9)

|h2=[[Predacon (RID)|Predacons]]
|c2=
*[[Sky-Byte]] (1)
*[[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]] (4)
*[[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]] (5)
*Predacon trio (cameo) (6)
*[[Mega-Octane]] (10)
*[[Rollbar (RID)|Rollbar]] (11)
*[[Armorhide (RID)|Armorhide]] (12)
*[[Movor]] (13)
*[[Ro-Tor (RID)|Ro-Tor]] (14)
*[[Ruination (RID)|Ruination]] (16)

|c3=
*[[Kelly]] (15)

}}
==Quotes==
"My enemies have found me 
They surround me and confound me 
And with inbound missiles hound me 
As they pound the ground around me 
But with one astounding bound, I shall escape 
Bye!"
:—'''Sky-Byte''' makes a hasty yet poetic exit.

"There's something fishy here, and it's not me."
:—'''Sky-Byte'''

'''Rollbar''': "This is fun. I'm not gonna miss one leaf." 
'''Ro-Tor''': "Yeah, I could do this all day long!" 
'''Movor''': "I just love being outdoors." 
'''Armorhide''': "Especially in this beautiful forest." 
'''Mega-Octane''': "When we're through this place will be as clean as a whistle."
:—The Decepticons lay it on thick.

"Ro-Tor, stop that driver!" 
[''Ro-Tor fires in front of the car''] "That's far enough, human!" 
"You mustn't ignore the traffic laws. You might get hurt."
:—'''Scourge''' and '''Ro-Tor''' direct traffic in their own special way.

"Battle Mode! Let's see if you can fight as well as you lie!"
:—'''Optimus''' loses his temper.

==Notes==
===Real-world references===
*Sky-Byte is humming the ''Jaws'' theme as he heads toward the drilling platform.

==External links==
* [http://www.ridforever.info/transformers-transcripts/rid-episode-18-the-test.php "The Test" transcript on RiDForever.info]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Test}}
[[Category:Robots in Disguise episodes]]

Talk:FIRRIB

2009-07-08T05:10:49Z

Rideonshootingstarxx: /* Shattered Glass Continuity? */

So, what's the official position, right now?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 18:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
: There is none. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
:: Clever of them. But were Frenzy and Rumble featured in Dreamwave or IDW? And if yes, in wich colors? --[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 19:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
::: Dreamwave was inconsistent. IIRC, they were cartoon colors in the stories and toy/comic colors in the MTMTE profile books. They have not appeared yet in IDW. (Alternators Rumble is red, however.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
:::: Actually, I believe that the few times that they appeared in Dreamwave's comics, they were always together and so it was impossible to tell which was which. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 23:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
::::: If we assume that the use of piledrivers indicates that it was Rumble, then the little fella was blue in the first DW G1 miniseries, but after that, Dark T's right, they were always together and were never singled out, so it's impossible to tell who's who based on colour. Then, they were done in toy colours for MTMTE. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::: The "Who's who" in the back of the War and Peace TPB identifies them as their toy colors. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

This article should be moved to FIBRIR, with RIBFIR as a redirect. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

== Change To Chart ==

A whole new approach to the chart might better convey the information. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Tufte Tufte] says that if you're trying convey info about color, and you can print in color, you'd be a fool not to use it. Maybe like so?

<table>
<tr><th></th><th>Frenzy</th><th>Rumble</th></tr>

<tr>
<th>US cartoon</th>
<td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;">Red</td>
<td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;">Blue</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<th>Japanese cartoon</th>
<td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;">Blue</td>
<td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;">Red</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<th>US toys</th>
<td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;">Blue</td>
<td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;">Red</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<th>Japanese toys</th>
<td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;">Blue</td>
<td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;">Red</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<th>Marvel Comics</th>
<td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;">Blue</td>
<td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;">Red</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<th>Dreamwave comics</th>
<td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;">Blue</td>
<td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;">Red</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<th>Devil's Due comics</th>
<td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;">Red</td>
<td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;">Blue</td>
</tr>

</table>

(We keep the words "red" and "blue" for people who are blind or just color blind, for those not using color monitors, or using text browsers, etc.) [[User:JW|JW]] 15:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, this chart is much nicer and clearer than the one in the article now. I vote for switching it in immediately.

If we want to keep the FIBRIR, we could do something like this:

<table>

<tr>

<tr>
<th>G1 toys</th>
<td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;">FIB</td>
<td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;">RIR</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<th>Marvel Comics</th>
<td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;">FIB</td>
<td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;">RIR</td>
</tr>

<th>US cartoon</th>
<td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;">FIR</td>
<td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;">RIB</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<th>Japanese cartoon</th>
<td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;">FIB</td>
<td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;">RIR</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<th>Dreamwave comics</th>
<td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;">FIB</td>
<td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;">RIR</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<th>Devil's Due comics</th>
<td style="color:Black;background-color:Red;">FIR</td>
<td style="color:White;background-color:Blue;">RIB</td>
</tr>

</table>

I also removed the Japanese Toy row since the toys were the same in all markets and put the rows in order of release.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not entirely certain we ''do'' want to keep FIB and RIR in the chart. I personally think "providing information" is a slightly higher priority than "being a supportive environment for Transformers fans." Actually using the words "Frenzy" and "Blue" provides the information most clearly. Using "FIB" and "RIR" where not necessary is being fannish for its own sake. (Note that I ''do'' think there is a place in this Wiki for fannishness for its own sake, most certainly, but I don't think it should be priority #1.) [[User:JW|JW]] 18:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I think JW's table is the best option. Use wikitable markup instead of HTML, though. Simpler to look at/edit. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

:Using Fib or RiR or whatever is MUCH WORSE. The point is clarity. Using JWs original words Red and Blue is much clearer and and simpler and hence much better.

::Since I'm seeing a lot of approval, and I figured out how to do a colored table in Wiki markup, I'll implement it now. (With FortMax's suggested modification of consolidating the "toys" entries, and doing 'em in release order.) [[User:JW|JW]] 02:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Good thing there was a warning, or I would have changed it to:

{| border=0 cellspacing=2 cellpadding=2
|
| '''Frenzy'''
| '''Rumble'''
|-
| '''Toys'''
| style="color:White;background-color:Blue;" | Blue
| style="color:Black;background-color:Red;" | Red
|-
| '''Marvel comics'''
| style="color:White;background-color:Blue;" | Blue
| style="color:Black;background-color:Red;" | Red
|-
| '''US cartoon'''
| style="color:Black;background-color:Red;" | Red
| style="color:White;background-color:Purple;" | Purple
|-
| '''Japanese cartoon'''
| style="color:White;background-color:Blue;" | Blue
| style="color:Black;background-color:Red;" | Red
|-
| '''Dreamwave comics'''
| style="color:White;background-color:Blue;" | Blue
| style="color:Black;background-color:Red;" | Red
|-
| '''Devil's Due comics'''
| style="color:Black;background-color:Red;" | Red
| style="color:White;background-color:Blue;" | Blue
|} -[[User:The Ultimate One|The Ultimate One]]

Not quite. See the new topic I made. [[User:RIBFIR Forever|The RIBFIR Dude]] 20:53, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

==New Chart Includes 1986 Movie==
I know most of you are against the purple, but I think we should make the chart look like this because it includes the 1986 movie where Rumble actually ''was'' blue:
{| border=0 cellspacing=2 cellpadding=2
|
| '''Frenzy'''
| '''Rumble'''
|-
| '''Toys'''
| style="color:White;background-color:Blue;" | Blue
| style="color:Black;background-color:Red;" | Red
|-
| '''Marvel comics'''
| style="color:White;background-color:Blue;" | Blue
| style="color:Black;background-color:Red;" | Red
|-
| '''US cartoon'''
| style="color:Black;background-color:Red;" | Red
| style="color:White;background-color:Purple;" | Purple
|-
| '''Japanese cartoon'''
| style="color:White;background-color:Blue;" | Blue
| style="color:Black;background-color:Red;" | Red
|-
| '''1986 Cartoon Movie'''
| style="color:Black;background-color:Red;" | Red
| style="color:White;background-color:Blue;" | Blue
|-
| '''Dreamwave comics'''
| style="color:White;background-color:Blue;" | Blue
| style="color:Black;background-color:Red;" | Red
|-
| '''Devil's Due comics'''
| style="color:Black;background-color:Red;" | Red
| style="color:White;background-color:Blue;" | Blue
|} -[[User:RIBFIR Forever|The RIBFIR Dude]] 20:53, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

:Personally, I prefer it the way it is. Not least because there's a scene in the movie where they're ''both'' red, and why invite ''more'' confusion? [[User:JW|JW]] 21:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but that was just an animation glitch that was only for about two seconds. [[User:RIBFIR Forever|The RIBFIR Dude]] 21:33, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

:And if you watch, you can ''clearly'' see that Rumble is definetly blue and '''not''' purple in the movie. [[User:RIBFIR Forever|The RIBFIR Dude]] 16:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::Are they actually ''named'' in the movie? In the brief scene where they're two different colors? [[User:JW|JW]] 16:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::I'm not sure, but you could check the script and see who said what. ([[Rumble (G1)|The blue one]] said "uncrazimatic") [[User:RIBFIR Forever|The RIBFIR Dude]] 16:58, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::In the movie, Rumble is exactly the same colors he always is in the cartoon. Maybe you're overestimating how purple cartoon Rumble is. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

:I don't know about that. I'd double check, but my G1 DVDs were on loan from a buddy of mine and I already gave them back. [[User:RIBFIR Forever|The RIBFIR Dude]] 16:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::If you can provide screenshots from the TV cartoon and the movie, showing a substantial difference in coloration, and the appropriate excerpt from the script, I'll reconsider my position on making changes to the table. Otherwise, best to leave things as they are. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

::I don't think I'll end up ever doing that. So we may as well leave it as it is. But keep this on the talk page just in case. [[User:RIBFIR Forever|The RIBFIR Dude]] 17:29, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
:::I went ahead and did it, and I don't see any difference between the two. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 22:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
[[image:G1-TVandMovieComparison-Rumble.jpg]]
::::Guy's banned, anyway. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::I think he was remembering the one scene where Rumble says "First we crack the shell, then we crack the nuts inside!" where he ''is'' blue instead of his usual purple. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|MR. Q (I'm a GUY)]] 16:01, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

==G2==
I'm pretty sure the unreleased G2 Go-Bot "Rumble" was primarily WHITE. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:44, 14 February 2008 (EST)
:He seems equal parts white and red. With teal and black showing up in robot mode. [http://www.allspark.com/gallery/g2gobots/RumbleCar] [http://www.allspark.com/gallery/g2gobots/RumbleBot] --[[User:74.57.3.251|74.57.3.251]] 19:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC) (Detour at work)

==FIRRIB==
How'd this page end up at FIBRIR, anyway? A search through ATT's archives shows that "FIRRIB" is the most common use (664 occurrences) (and personally, it's the version that springs immediately to mind for me.) FIBRIR is in second place with 346 occurrences. RIRFIB=188; RIBFIR=74. And all that notwithstanding, the original "movement" appears to have been started as FIRRIB (for the obvious purpose of debunking those silly, obviously-totally-wrong toy catalogs, natch.) See [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_frm/thread/7f7aa2ec041325c4/d066fdb5fb0bdaf9?lnk=gst&q=FIRRIB#d066fdb5fb0bdaf9 here].

So, short version: this page should really be moved. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:FIBRIR FOREVER!
:Or, in a more sensible mode, I wouldn't have a problem with that. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:06, 14 February 2008 (EST)
::I think it should stay as is, solely because there are more instances of FIBRIR. And RIR even when FIP or FITAA. --[[User:74.57.3.251|74.57.3.251]] 21:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC) (Detour)
:::But it's a ''fandom term'', regardless of whether it's accurate or not. The actual original version should be the article's name and central usage. (And anyways, "FIRRIB" flows off the tongue a bit more smoothly than "FIBRIR". : ] -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I'd rather see it at FIRRIB, myself. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:42, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::In the spirit of the article, I'm going to have to say FIBRIR to that. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

:FIRRIB may have been coined first, but I would imagine FIBRIR came right on its heels. Considering that FIBRIR is... pretty obviously the more solid position to take (outside of a single albeit prominent continuity) I think it's better for the article to stay where it is. The article covers both the fandom's silly argument ''as well as'' the complete story. And as McFeely's edits put quite nicely, FIRRIB is a mistaken aberration. We shouldn't name the article after it. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 19:11, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
::You're going on the position that there's a "right" and a "wrong" to the whole debate in the first place, which is pretty antithetical to the wiki's general approach to things. They're both right. One's right in the cartoon and a couple of other places, and the other's right elsewhere.
::If not for the FIRRIB position, the entire debate wouldn't exist. Also, the first FIBRIR shows up about 6 months after FIRRIB, in Nov. '94. I don't support naming the article after the secondary, reactionary counter-argument, rather than the position that started and popularized the whole thing, regardless of how "right" or "wrong" one or the other may be. It's like replacing [[Trukk not munky]] with <nowiki>[[PRIME=TRUCK AND PRIMAL=GORILLA]]</nowiki>. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

== So what about this? ==

[[Image:RumbleisRed.jpg|thumb|left|300px]] --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:44, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:No, that clearly says "RuNble" is red, so we're obviously dealing with a third cassette here who, uh...WHAT'S THAT BEHIND YOU!?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::Maybe "Runble" is [[Enemy]]'s real name. He should team up with [[Plight of the Bumblebee!|Lazerbeak]]. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:Teletraan's quoting the production bible. The other Decepticon screens take other quotes out of the bible, too. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::I think this pic should be included in the article, as evidence of how schizophrenic the cartoon production process was, if nothing else. I would crop it to remove the watermarks, first. Did Rumble appear elsewhere in the same episode? [[User:JW|JW]] 16:08, 14 February 2008 (EST)
:::I'm pretty sure Rumble did appear in the episode given that this is where Megatron used everyone's powers. Anyway, I was going to take a screencap of this from my DVDs when I get back to my apartment. The current image is one I yanked off my photobucket account. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:14, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::::After Megatron punches the ground to cause an earthquake, we see Rumble turn to the other 'Cons and point to himself. At least he didn't give the AREN'T YOU PROUD speeches like Starscream.... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

==IDW==

Rumble and Frenzy do show up in ''[[Megatron: Origin]]''. I don't have access to a scanner right now, but I have the comic in front of me. Neither of the two are named, but on page 16 of [[Megatron Origin issue 1|#1]], the little bugger who deploys his pile drivers, who I assume is Rumble, has red markings. So it looks like FIBRIR applies for IDW. If anyone could back this up with a pic, it would be appreciated.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 21:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
: Who uses piledrivers is not a good way to determine who is whom. In the cartoon, both use piledrivers. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

::That's why I pointed it out on the talk page. I don't have issues 2-4 with me right now (away from home at school -- issue 1 got mailed to me by a friend), but I don't think they said which one was which anywhere in Origin. Still, I considered this little bit of trivia at least worth discussing. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 21:41, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

==Devil's Due==
Where in the DD Joe crossovers does it indicate which is which? I've pored over the first one, and though both show up, neither seem to be named, unless I missed it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
:When Bumblebee punches the blue guy in #3, he says "I don't THINK so, RUMBLE!". - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 23:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
::Aha. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:25, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

==Robot Heroes==
Well, going by the photos released from the Toy Fair, there's gonna be a Robot Heroes Rumble... and he's Red. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
:And the Diamond Select Toys busts have Rumble blue and Frenzy red. Also, it looks like the red Frenzy comes with Ravage and Blue Rumble comes with Laserbeak and Ratbat. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:57, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

== Movie Frenzy ==

His only coloring (besides silver, which doesn't really count as a color) is his BLUE EYES. Should that be mentioned here? [[User:Inferno'sQueen|MR. Q (I'm a GUY)]] 15:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:This article is only about the G1 characters (despite occasional jokes elsewhere in the wiki). [[User:JW|JW]] 16:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::Oh. But if Rumble is in TF2, and looks just like Frenzy except having red eyes...?[[User:Inferno'sQueen|MR. Q (I'm a GUY)]] 19:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::If that should happen, I certainly think it would bear mention here. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Of course, we've no evidence of that yet.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::We'll just have to wait and see. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|MR. Q (I'm a GUY)]] 19:26, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

== IDW Comics ==

Have they actually identified which is which yet in IDW? [[User:JW|JW]] 11:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Article namechange? ==

Just a tiny suggestion, but maybe this page should be renamed "frenzy/rumble controversy" or "RIBFIR and FIBRIR" to avoid the article looking biased? (like i said,just a tiny suggestion) [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 18:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:I think the less seriously we take this "controversy" the better.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Shattered Glass Continuity? ==
I know it's a G1 derived continuity, but I don't think it's quite the same as IDW or Dreamwave, and it certainly adds nothing to the FIRRIB argument, because their colors are based on the Autobot mini-cassettes, with no reasoning behind which cassette got which new colors. So in short, I don't think it should be on the chart. Opinions? [[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 00:56, 8 July 2009 (EDT)
: I don't really think it should be on the chart, either. Without looking, as I recall, there are a few on there that I think are examples of dogpiling, and not useful information. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:02, 8 July 2009 (EDT)
Hmmmmm. I don't know what Kids Stuff is, and I could maybe live without the few Frenzy-less sections (Alternators, Robot Heroes, and that Kids Stuff. Ladybird too?) So maybe cut it down to the sections with BOTH Rumble and Frenzy and um... I don't care for G2 on there either. None of those help with the ARGUEMENT, they just document colors of Rumble and Frenzy. So...? -[[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 01:10, 8 July 2009 (EDT)

Baby Dinoforce

2009-07-08T04:58:40Z

Rideonshootingstarxx:

{{factions|decepticon}}
{{noname-nickname}}
:''The baby Dinoforce are [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] in the [[Victory (franchise)|Victory]] portion of the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:MangaDinoforceBabies.jpg|right|250px|thumb|DinoBabies havin' fun!]]
The '''baby Dinoforce''' are the offspring of the [[Dinoforce]] and the offspring of their [[Pretender]] shells (totalling twelve babies in all). They each resemble a tiny, [[super deformed]] version of their daddy. Exactly [[Reproduction|how they came to be]] is a mystery perhaps best left unsolved.

==Fiction==
===''Victory'' comic===
After the surrender of the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]], all the civilians living within the [[Planet-Destroying Fortress]] were at last reunited with their families who had been gone fighting the war. The baby Dinoforce immediately rushed to great their daddies in a greet stampede. [[Gōryū]] could be seen joyfully tossing his precious bundle of joy into the air, much to his child's giggling delight.

And they all lived happily ever after. {{storylink|Heroic! The Victory War}}

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2009-07-08T04:56:41Z

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2009-07-08T04:49:26Z

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I'll be honest; sure people ignore IP edits and tend to look down on them, but I've also seen people look down on REDLINK USERS.

And that's why I have content on this page.

B.O.T. (G1)

2009-07-08T04:33:48Z

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{{disambig2|the robot featured in the worst episode ever|the worst episode of ''Transformers'' ever|B.O.T. (episode)}}
:''B.O.T. is a [[human]]-built robot from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:B.O.T.jpg|right|250px|thumb|A face only a [[Elise Presser|mother]] could love.]]

'''B.O.T.''' ('''Biotronic Operational Telecommunicator''') was built as a science project by high school students [[Martin and Roland|Martin, Roland]], and [[Elise Presser|Elise]].

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon===
[[Image:BOTcannon.jpg|left|150px|thumb|I did it! I did i—]]
B.O.T. was built as an assignment for a pair of troublemaking [[Martin and Roland|sociopaths]], who enlisted science geek [[Elise Presser]] to <s>help out</s> do all the work. Obtaining scrap metal from a local junkyard that happened to have a new shipment of [[Combaticon (G1)|merchandise]], the kids built a portly robot that just so happened to have [[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]]'s [[personality component]] in its head. As one would figure, this made B.O.T. turn evil and destroy the high school science lab. It was only when Martin blasted him with an experimental laser that the rampage ended, and B.O.T. fled the area.

The kids called the Autobots to rein in their wayward creation, and after being chased into an abandoned building, B.O.T. was eventually subdued by a laser blast to the back from [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]], there to reclaim his comrade's missing piece. When B.O.T. was brought back to the school, Elise discovered that the personality component had been removed. After some fine tuning, B.O.T. was able to listen in on everything Brawl heard, allowing the students to discover that Megatron was setting up a massive cannon to knock the Moon out of orbit.

When Megatron decided to test his [[orbit disruptor cannon|new cannon]] on the Ark, B.O.T. was sent to destroy it, while being remotely controlled by Elise. After making his way to the cannon, B.O.T. turned it on its makers to win the battle, before pressing the convenient "Overload" button, thus destroying the cannon and himself in the process. Back inside the Ark, Elise asked if the Autobots had any spare parts so that she could build a new robot, but was quickly subdued by her [[Martin and Roland|assailants]]. {{storylink|B.O.T. (episode)|B.O.T.}}

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Logos Prime

2009-06-23T05:13:24Z

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[[Image:Bwreborn text.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Is the silhouette really necessary for the all black toy?]]

'''Soundblaster''', also known as '''Logos Prime''', is an [[Thirteen original Transformers|"ancient" Transformer]] equal with [[Vector Prime]] and possessing extraordinary power over space and time. He can take any name and form that he chooses. Soundblaster is partnered with the bird-bot [[Hell Buzzsaw]], who he uses to speak through to mere mortals.

==Fiction==
===''Beast Wars Reborn''===

After the [[Great Reformatting]], Logos Prime abducted [[Optimus Primal]] and [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] onto his amazing starship, though they had lost their memories. After a series of confusing escapades between the two, Logos Prime introduced himself as Soundblaster. He offered his powers over space and time to Megatron, hoping that he'd be his successor. But [[Vector Prime]] appeared and interrupted. The two old Transformers recognized each other as [[Ancients]], and a battle was likely imminent... {{storylink|Master of the Game}}

{{charstubfiction}}

==Toys==
===Cybertron===
[[Image:GalaxyForcetoy-Soundblaster.jpg|right|thumb|300px|In the beginning was The Word. And The Word was a black repaint...]]

* '''Soundblaster''' (Voyager class, 2006)
** ''Japanese ID number:'' '''GX-03'''
** ''Accessories:'' "Hell Buzzsaw" partner, "Laser Cannon", "Blaster Gun", Planet X type Cyber Key
:Soundblaster is a [[redeco]] of the Cybertron [[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]] toy, transforming into a Cybertronic stealth bomber. He comes with three hexagonal prism "bombs"; one converts into his partner Hell Buzzsaw, the other two unfold into non-firing blaster weapons. Any one of these "bombs" can be stored in his robot-mode chest, which opens by plugging a [[Cyber Planet Key]] into him. The other two store in indents on the underside of his wings. He comes with a silver-bordered Planet X style Cyber Planet Key.

: He was only available as a [[Toy's Dream Project]] [[exclusive]].

: This mold was also used to make the [[Universe (2008 franchise)|2008 Universe-series]] version of [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]].

==Notes==

* Though Soundblaster's box was new, he came with Soundwave's instructions.

[[Category:Cybertron characters]]
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Cyber-bat

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:''Cyber-bats are a weapon from the [[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)|cartoon]] portion of the [[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Galvatron'sRevenge Cyberbat.jpg|right|200px|thumb|I came out of Galvatron's mouth!]]
Added to [[Megatron (RID)|Galvatron]]'s arsenal when he was upgraded, '''cyber-bats''' are small flying devices which attach to their victim's foreheads, causing paralysis. They come out of his mouth.

==Fiction==
===Robots in Disguise cartoon===
After Galvatron drained a massive amount of energy from [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|Fortress Maximus]], he was confronted by [[Omega Prime]]. In response, Galvatron opened his mouth, issuing forth a swarm of cyber-bats. The swarm hung over [[Metro City]] as one of their number swooped down, attaching itself to [[Koji Onishi]], mesmerising the boy. Galvatron boasted that he had gained control over Earth's children, forcing the [[Autobot]] leader to call a retreat.

Koji was found by [[Doctor Kenneth Onishi|his father]], who attempted unsuccessfully to find a way to deactivate the cyber-bat. Meanwhile, the retreat was not going well. With the Autobots presumed dead, Galvatron recalled the cyber-bats, taking them back into his body. {{storylink|Galvatron's Revenge|Galvatron's Revenge}}

==Trivia==
* In the original Japanese ''Car Robots'' episode, the cyber-bats were used to drain mental energy from the children, a fact changed for the dub to downplay Galvatron's state as an sort of "energy vampire".
* They resemble a simplified version of Galvatron's bat form, though in his original Megatron colours.

[[Category:Robots in Disguise]]
[[Category:Weapons]]

Spotlight: Ramjet

2009-06-14T20:57:03Z

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{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[Spotlight (comics)|''The Transformers: Spotlight'']] #10
|prev=Spotlight: Optimus Prime
|next=Spotlight: Blaster
|title="The Transformers Spotlight: Ramjet"
|image=Spotlight Ramjet a.jpg
|caption=I'm a sexy beast!
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[November 7]], [[2007]]
|coverdate=November 2007
|written by=[[Stuart Moore]]
|art by=[[Robby Musso]]
|colors by=[[Josh Burcham]]
|letters by=[[Chris Mowry]]
|edits by=[[Chris Ryall]] and [[Andrew Steven Harris]]
|chronology=[[IDW timeline#Escalation|Escalation]]
|continuity=[[IDW continuity]]
}}
'''Ramjet schemes to overthrow Megatron. Who knew the guy had it in him?'''

==Synopsis==
Skywarp diverts from his mission to meet with Ramjet in mid-flight. While speeding across the skies, Ramjet and Skywarp discuss the failings of Megatron and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. Ramjet boasts that he has the smarts to overthrow Megatron, and tries to enlist Skywarp. Skywarp gives him 24 hours to come up with a good plan, reminding him of the old Cybertronian saying, "Always bet on the leader." Ramjet checks in with his Mini-Constructicons, who inform him that the Universal Cybertronic Tracker will be ready in 18 hours. Ramjet next contacts his Pentagon-employed [[facsimile]] Harrison (who, due to inferior construction, appears dimwitted) and tells him to be prepared to deliver missile codes. Ramjet will use the missiles to devastate the United States.

As Megatron and his Decepticons begin their war in [[Brasnya]] (as seen in [[Escalation issue 4|''Escalation,'' issue 4]]), Ramjet flies to the European Union Alternative Energy Research Center and drops fliers for an unspecified contest. A money symbol on the flier is actually a spy device which jumps off the paper and attaches itself to the computers of the Center's employees. Ramjet believes that someone at the Center will eventually develop a useful Energon substitute. Megatron, meanwhile delivers to [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] the beating of his life (as seen in [[Escalation issue 5|''Escalation,'' issue 5]]).

Ramjet later returns to his Mini-Constructicons, and they have his device ready. When two of them ask for a taste of his power once he overthrows Megatron, Ramjet destroys them for their insolence. Harrison meets with Ramjet and delivers the codes, but his face is melting off due to his inferior creation. Ramjet boasts of his plans to his liquefying lackey, which include tracking all Cybertronians, acquiring his Energon substitute, blowing up the U.S., enslaving the [[Decepticon]]s and humans of [[Earth]], and using a superstring [[space bridge]] to dominate the galaxy.

Unfortunately for Ramjet, Megatron arrives and beats him mercilessly, ripping out his spark. He scatters Ramjet's parts at Ramjet's base, Harrison's office at the Pentagon, and the Energy Research Center, indicating that he knew about Ramjet's plans in detail. Megatron keeps Ramjet's head as a trophy and an object lesson for his other troops. Skywarp echoes his earlier statement, "Always bet on the leader."

==Featured characters==
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* [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] (1)
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (2)
* [[Mini-Constructicon|Mini-Constructicons]] (3)
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|c3=
* [[Harrison]] (5)
}}

== Errors ==
* The size of the text in this issue is considerably smaller than the norm.
* On page 17, in the first speech bubble, the sentence is unfinished.

==Notes==
* This issue takes place after the ''[[New Avengers / Transformers]]'' miniseries, and is written by the same author.
* This is the second ''[[Spotlight (comics)|Spotlight]]'' not written by [[Simon Furman]].
* The timeframe of the issue corresponds with the events in the ''[[Escalation (IDW)|Escalation]]'' series.
* Apparently, IDW Transformers can fart (page 7). In general terms, this is [[Humanization|not a new development]].
* As Harrison collapses to the ground, it can also be seen that his car is wrecked and smoking. This is not explained, though it seems likely that the barely-functional facsimile is a terrible driver, given that it can only speak in rudimentary grunts. (It's also nicely symbolic of how everything around Ramjet was about to turn to crap.)
* This issue has the first mention of a space bridge in the [[IDW continuity]].
* Given how the Decepticons are so keen on keeping themselves hidden from the planet's populace they infiltrate, it is quite unexpected that Megatron throws parts of Ramjet around the globe (thereby giving humans access to Cybertronian technology as well).
* Following the story are two pages of sketches by [[Robby Musso]].
* This is the first ''Spotlight'' issue that does not appear to be part of a larger storyline. While other ''Spotlights'' have answered questions raised in previous issues, brought up mysteries that created new questions, or introduced future plot developments, this one seems to be relatively self-contained. The only references to the rest of the storyline exist merely for chronological placement. However, [[Simon Furman]] mentioned on his blog that Ramjet may show up again.<ref>http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/script-wrap-14/#comment-1692</ref>

===Covers (3)===
{{picsneeded|RI cover}}
* '''Cover A:''' Ramjet, robot and alternate modes by [[Robby Musso]] and [[Kieran Oats]] (colors).
* '''Cover B:''' Ramjet, Megatron and Skywarp by [[Guido Guidi]] and [[Josh Burcham]] (colors).
* '''Cover RI:''' Cover A, uncolored sketch
<gallery>
Image:Spotlight Ramjet a.jpg|Cover A
Image:Spotlight Ramjet b.jpg|And he would have gotten away with it if it weren't for <s>you pesky kids</s> Megatron's head hovering behind him the whole time.
Image:Spotlight Ramjet ria.jpg|RI Cover
</gallery>

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2009-06-10T18:39:01Z

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Talk:Megatron (Movie)

2009-06-08T00:57:06Z

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== Human Name jokes ==

We might as well make the article play on his human-given names.

== Megatron's Cybertronian form ==

Has anyone else noticed that Megatron's vehicle form bares more than a passing resemblance to the ''Swordfish'', the personal ship flown by Spike Spiegel in ''Cowboy BeBop''? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 02:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

::Not really, no. --[[User:EricMarrs|EricMarrs]] 12:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

:::The only difference is it's A. silver, and B. has three guns instead of one.

:I agree, it looks very similar. The wings in particular. I mean, it doesn't exactly look like THE Swordfish, but it looks like a 'mono-racer' from Bebop at least.

::::It looks more like the Zone of the Enders version of the Vic Viper than the Swordfish, at least to me it does.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 03:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

:I actually found it looked like [[Megatron (RID)|the other megatrons`]] jet mode.--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 01:12, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I think I see it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

== Earth Mode ==

According to Wikipedia and IGN, Megatron turns into a stealth bomber. [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 22:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
: Until either one is verified by anything official, we're not including that "info". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
::Reading the IGN article, they said they got this from playing an early version of the Movie's game. [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 01:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Still makes it somewhere between unconfirmed second-hand report and leaked info. With this sort of thing patience is best. IF it is true we'll all no for sure soon enough and it can go up then.n--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Seibertron reported recently that some of the production staff hinted at Megatron not getting an Earth form after all, at least in this movie. I'd say wait until the movie comes out, because even if they make a toy it's still not confirmed. [[User:King Starscream]] 13:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::From the book media I've perused, Megatron stays silvery and alieny the entire course of it all. There's other things I saw, but I shan't go into them since all these books come out tomorrow and you can spoil yourself then. [[User:Terrocon Blot]]
::::::Which book? Sounds interesting. [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 03:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::All the kids books that come out tomorrow. The I can read, storybook, junior novels, etc. Heck, a few of the books have Megatron and Brawl standing side by side. He ain't Brawl. All these books come out tomorrow, and will be on display in your local book stores. (Seriously, this is screwed up. I can't seem to edit pages when I'm logged in.) [[User:Terrocon Blot]]
::::::::Looking at game footage, either the Stealth-Bomber Megs was an early idea that was discarded, or he gets an Earth mode later in the game. -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 19:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

==Sibling status==
I strongly question the inclusion of he and Optimus being brothers in the main bio, unless that is backed up by the movie itself, or some future toy bio, or other source stronger than books based on earlier drafts of the script. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
: If the movie does not contradict it, surely it is still true. :)
: FOr what it's worth- the prequel comics had this vibe goigng too, the ADF novelization mentions brushes by it,t he junior novelization says it explicitly... and I think there's at least 1 more source. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
: The DS game says so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::As does the console version. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, yeah. The game counts a stonger source. Although if it's not mentioned in the movie itself, I think it's going to require a footnote notation citing the places it is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::::The Decepticon DS version also says it flat out.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::What we have now is correct, and there is no need to change anything. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::For the record to future peoples, Optimus does call Megatron his bro in the movie.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

==*More* Misassemblies==

Yeah. I just got Super Megs and, uh, his hands are flipped. Or rather, I guess it's his thumbs and pinkies. Look at the box and compare. This should probably be noted... [[User:71.61.152.122|71.61.152.122]] 07:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:Geeeeez, you're right. Is there anything assembled ''right'' on this guy?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
::I'm comparing photos at Seibertron.com, and um...I'm not seeing it.
:::It's most noticable in the picture of his macehand, but you can see it in the big one too. Don't look at 'pics' of the box, look at it with your own two eyes. >.> [[User:71.60.159.181|71.60.159.181]] 09:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== Galvatron ==

I strongly belive that the allspark will resurect megatron in a future sequel and possibly reformat him into galvatron. It'll probebly bring him back to life at least
:I don't deny that I think the AllSpark will play a part in Megs's revival, but I highly doubt (and strongly hope) that he won't become Galvatron.

== Marinas Trench ==

I realize Keller said the Decepticons were dropped into the deepest section of ocean in the world, but he calls it specifically something other than the Marinas Trench. To that end, using "Marinas Trench" doesn't seem exactly right to me. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to quite decipher what he DID call it. Was anybody else? And what does other media say about the location? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 15:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I concur that the trench name from the film should be used here instead of the Marianas. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
:Keller says "Laurentian Trench," which is a real ocean feature but by no means its deepest. He also says it's the deepest spot on the ocean at over 7 miles deep, which is correct for the Marianas. So, a fact-finding flub. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

::How dare the Secretary of Defense not be completely up to speed on the name of the deepest part of the ocean. (seriously, it's entirely possible that Keller had no idea what hte fuck he was talking about.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Either that, or Michael bay didn't do his homework.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 16:13, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Or Maybe in their Dimension, it IS the deepest? [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 11:59, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

=="The Head Wars"==

the one present right now is a little blurry, wouldn't that one be better? [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg]--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 18:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
: No, because that one doesn't have the right head. We replaced the one you suggested with the current version. (Blurry? It's a sized-down version of a gigantic-ass render straight from Dreamworks.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
::Um, yes it does. The Current one has the wrong head. Screencap comparison coming momentarily. Please stand by. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Inferno'sQueen]] 19:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::There is no more-current render to move to. There is a much older, outdated one that ''somebody'' keeps reverting to, but the one we currently use is practically the one used in the movie, if not the very same. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Not the same. The top of the head in the final version is different. [[:Image:MegHeads.jpg|Here. ''Now'' tell me I'm wrong.]][[User:Inferno'sQueen|Inferno'sQueen]] 20:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

:The head we currently have is way way way way way way closer than the alternative. Find us a full-body render that's a better alternative, and we'll switch them out, but there is none. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::[http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg GUIGUI's] ''is'' the accurate head. It's just got blue eyes. But considering the eyes of some movie images on the wiki aren't even glowing ''at all'' I don't think that should be an issue.
:::Don't answer me with another block. ''Please.'' I'm just trying to help the wiki. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Mr. Q]] 16:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:::That is so totally not the final Megatron. This render showed up months before the one we're currently using, and they hadn't even finished texturing the model. Please drop the issue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, now I'm confused. Is the body wrong on [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg that one] or something? [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Mr. Q]] 17:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think it's just shaded wrong(no shadows), and his torso is not completely "filled" with metal.-the preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]]
::That doesn't seem like a good excuse. And please sign your posts. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Mr. Q]] 15:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I looked at the image again, and it does look a bit odd. But not very much. I suggest a poll/survey of the admins to decide who thinks it should be Meg's main pic, as the torso bit is the only problem. It won't be visible in thumbnail format anyhow. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::::The Megatron model has two heads, a standard head and the battle head. The final promotional render with all the completed surface detail, which we are using, uses the standard head. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Admins, please put "Yes" after your name if you think the current image should be changed to [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg this one], or "No" if you think it should stay as-is.[[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

The current poll:

[[User:ItsWalky]]: He hasn't officially voted yet, but it seems as though his answer will be '''"No."'''

[[User:Steve-o]]:Insert vote here

[[User:Suki Brits]]:I think she says '''"No,"''' too.

[[User:Chris McFeely]]:Insert vote here

:If I missed an admin, please notify them and add them here. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::you know, the admins aren't the only ones who have a say in this. And given that the model in the current image is almost if not completely identical to the one used in the movie it should be left as is. IMO, your argument is kinda like saying we need a new main image for [[Optimus Primal]] because it has a mouth doesn't have a full faceplate like the final model, even though the final model had both "mouth" and "faceplate" versions. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, we can't poll ''everyone''. I'm relatively new, lucky enough to have found the admins listed somewhere. I wouldn't know who else to ask. And That Primal thing does not make sense. I ''know'' he had a mouth ''and'' a [[mouthplate]]. I'm saying the current image has the '''''wrong head''''', and it should be fixed. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::::This is bordering on farce.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Agreed. If Inferno's Queen does not immediately drop the matter, I will get rid of her for refusing to stop wasting all of our time and polluting the Recent changes page with this retarded personal gripe. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

:::::<big>'''I'''</big>

:::::<big>'''AM'''</big>

:::::<big>'''A'''</big>

:::::<big>'''GUY!'''</big> [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

:Inferno's Queen, it's like I said on the image's talk page: we don't have a full body shot of Megatron's final design, so we're going with the most accurate one. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

After the poll is completed, this will end. Deal?[[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:...you don't get to dictate policy to admins.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::That's not quite true. If she keeps this up, she'll likely dictate a permaban on herself :p --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:21, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Fine already! I'll leave the issue alone if you stop calling me a girl!
:::<big>'''''I AM A GUY!!!'''''</big> [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 12:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Seriously, dude, is this all you've got to offer?! This is such an incredibly minor issue that it's nowhere worth the amount of discussion that has already gone on about it. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

This is mind-blowingly petty. I don't feel the need to express any opinion on the matter, it's pretty damn clear what the consensus is. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 04:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== video game info ==

should we edit it to have more info on megatron in the game?
:...Deathy? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

==Weapon names==
The article currently contains the current text in its movie summary: "Megatron declared that if Prime wished to defend them, he should die with them, forming his fusion cannon. Before he could fire, the Autobot leader drew his ion blaster and fired, hitting Megatron." Do we have any reason/justification for referring to those weapons so specifically as a fusion cannon and ion blaster? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
:In the trivia section of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Prime]]'s article, it's called an ion blaster. As for the fusion cannon...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
::Doesn't Leader Megatron's toy packaging say "Arms combine to form fusion cannon!" or something along those lines? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Answering my own question by looking up DVD's review, yes it does. And the product listing at Hasbro.com says: "Robot mode also features a launching rocket claw that becomes a chain whip, and arms that combine to create a fusion cannon!" --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

==Language==
According to the Circuit City voice featurette, the producers made up an alien language (or Hugo Weaving did, the wording is vague), and Weaving is shown speaking in it as Megatron. Did this make it into the final film? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 14:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

:There *is* a Cybertronian language spoken by several characters (Frenzy most notably, I guess, plus Starscream, and actually 'every' Decepticon during the call-up scene) but nobody really knows if it's just jibberish with a flanger on or something. That, and Megs 'never' speaks Cybertronian in the movie, so this makes it even stranger. The idea behind the Cybertronians speaking a different language isn't Weaving's, however, because that was in the leaked script that came out long before Weaving was cast. [[User:71.60.159.181|71.60.159.181]] 23:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

==Encased in ice at the bottom of the ocean?==
Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no ice at the bottom of the ocean. Ice is less dense than water so any particles cold enough to freeze float above those who aren't cold enough. (Contrary to normal laws of convection; ice is weird like that) so Megatron and the Decepticons wouldn't be icy at all. Just really cold and crushed under immense water pressure.

==Megu said ''what''?==
When Megu arrives in Mission City, he says two sentences. Just when he lands, he says something that I heard as "Let me play!" But what did he say after that? Because, the article says that Megu again declared his name when arriving in M City, but he didn't sound like that. Will someone clarify what exactly he said? StarShade 09:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

==Premium==
Does anyone know if the premium series leader Megatron has corrected the assembly errors?--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:53, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

==Screen Grabs==
Well since the trailer has been offically released, and Megatron has a few good clear shots in it, can we post a pic or two under ROTF? Mainly the one where he apparently comes out of the water, which appears to be the best looking shot. Just a sugestion.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 17:47, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

==Triple Changer in ROTF?==
Now, I'm terribly sorry I don't have more info than this, but I was at the mall w/ my GF and picked up a guide to ROTF. Most of the info seemed pretty modern and accurate (things like Jetfire being a seeker and such) and they said that upon his revival, Megatron had become a triple-changer, able to take both modes. I don't know the name of it although... nope, can't find it on Amazon. Can someone else comment on this matter? Has anything been shown to support this or has anyone else seen this guide? The store owner said it was just put out that day, so this may be new. IDK. --[[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 20:57, 7 June 2009 (EDT)