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<div>'''Malgus''' is a [[universal cluster]]. Common features to the universes include a version of the [[AllSpark]].<br />
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Known [[universal stream]]s include:<br />
*[[Malgus -411.27 Zeta]]<br />
*[[Malgus 1207.26 Alpha]]<br />
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==Fiction==<br />
===Ask Vector Prime===<br />
The entire cluster is affected by a higher-than-normal interference wave range of 8.7 generated by the [[non-linear WY-att pulse function]], effectively barring [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]] from the universes of this cluster. In practice, this means that Malgus streams have no [[Primus]] and a non-singular [[Unicron]]. <br />
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Vector Prime speculated that a Malgus universe may have interacted with a reality from [[Omniverse|beyond the multiverse]], allowing the alien bounty hunter [http://ben10.wikia.com/wiki/Khyber Khyber] to collect Cybertronian artifacts. Conversely, species from this dimension can occasionally be found within the Transformers multiverse.{{storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}<br />
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==Notes==<br />
*The Malgus cluster encompasses the ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' [[continuity family]].<br />
*The reason Primus doesn't exist in this universal stream is because [[Derrick Wyatt]] doesn't like Primus.<br />
*The mention of Khyber is a nod to Derrick's later work on ''Ben 10 Omniverse''; [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]]'s sword and [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]]'s hook made [[easter egg]] appearances in the show.<br />
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[[Category:Universal clusters]]</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:TFWiki.net_2015_Transformers_Hall_of_Fame_Auditions/Combiner&diff=962639MediaWiki:TFWiki.net 2015 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Combiner2015-04-20T04:01:11Z<p>Robogamer64: /* Poll entries */</p>
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<div>This is the page for the '''TFWiki.net Transformers Hall of Fame Favorite Combiner Auditions''' entries. The rules are as follows:<br />
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#Pick your top three favorite ''Transformers'' COMBINERS, from any era. They must be the '''combined forms,''' not individual robots from combiner teams. It is the sole discretion of the contest organizers to decide what does and does not count.<br />
##Individual character votes '''[[Transformers Wiki:TFWiki.net 2015 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Character|go here!]]'''<br />
#Take your top three list and '''put it in alphabetical order'''. Order of preference does not matter. Feel free to denote the character's franchise of origin, although these distinctions may or may not figure into the final results. <br />
#Only one entry per user.<br />
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Please put your characters of choice and user name below in the following manner:<br />
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*Monstructor, Tripredacus, Rail Racer--<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki><br />
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Poll entry period ends at 8am on '''[[April 20]]th, 2015'''. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 18:22, 13 April 2015 (EDT) <br />
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==Poll entries==<br />
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*Liokaiser, Magnaboss, Nexus Prime--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 18:24, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Computron, Predaking, Rail Racer --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:40, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Bruticus, Devastator, Superion --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 18:50, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Bruticus, Devastator, Superion--[[User:Zakor1138|Zakor1138]] ([[User talk:Zakor1138|talk]]) 19:00, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Computron, Liokaiser, Battle Gaia -- [[User:S-NFS|S-NFS]] ([[User talk:S-NFS|talk]]) 2:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
*Magnaboss, Nexus Prime, Tripredacus --[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:12, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Bruticus, Devastator, Superion --[[User:ComeonandSLAM|ComeonandSLAM]] ([[User talk:ComeonandSLAM|talk]]) 19:29, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Big Rescue Force, Defensor, Mighty Robot --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:39, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Bruticus, Defensor, Menasor -- [[User:Kazenokasa|Kazenokasa]] ([[User talk:Kazenokasa|talk]]) 20:07, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Devastator, Menasor, Raiden -- [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 21:33, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Menasor, Tripredacus -- [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] ([[User talk:Bobpiecheese|talk]]) 21:37, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Devastator, Superion -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|<sup>Use this!</sup>]] 21:48, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Landcross, Liokaiser, Piranacon -- [[User:Ookalf|Ookalf]] ([[User talk:Ookalf|talk]]) 23:06, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Rail Racer, Superion -- [[User:Raininshadows|Raininshadows]] ([[User talk:Raininshadows|talk]]) 00:32, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Magnaboss, Predaking -- [[User:LordTacos|LordTacos]] ([[User talk:LordTacos|talk]]) 00:46, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Landfill (RID), Liokaiser, Ruination (RID) --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:55, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Abominus, Piranacon, Rail Racer -- [[User:Arborday|Arborday]] ([[User talk:Arborday|talk]]) 01:03, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Abominus, Menasor, Ruination -- [[User:BT383|BT383]] ([[User talk:BT383|talk]]) 01:36, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Devastator, Rail Racer -- [[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:46, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Abominus, Dinoking, Predaking --[[User:Acidforblood|Acidforblood]] ([[User talk:Acidforblood|talk]]) 01:56, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Predaking, Superion -- [[User:StarWars_Jedi|StarWars_Jedi]] ([[User talk:StarWars_Jedi|talk]]) 08:57, 14 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
* Bruticus, Computron, Superion--[[User:Karanseraph|Karanseraph]] ([[User talk:Karanseraph|talk]]) 02:47, 14 April 2015 (EDT) <br />
*Devastator, Liokaiser, Predaking --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 03:07, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Monstructor, Safeguard (Animated) -- [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 04:25, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Rail Racer, Ruination --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] ([[User talk:Apoc|talk]]) 05:25, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Devastator, Superion --[[User:Diamondmatter|Diamondmatter]] ([[User talk:Diamondmatter|talk]]) 05:30, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Rail Racer, Ruination -- [[User:Combaticons4ever|Combaticons4ever]] ([[User talk:Combaticons4ever|talk]]) 08:14, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Abominus, Computron, Defensor-- [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 08:52, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Liokaiser, Sixliner, Tripredacus [[User:Chip|Chip]] ([[User talk:Chip|talk]]) 09:16, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Devastator, Omega Prime, Rail Racer --[[User:Djinniman|Djinniman]] ([[User talk:Djinniman|talk]]) 10:04, 14 April 2015 (EDT) <br />
*Piranacon, Raiden, Ruination --[[User:Tfus183crosscut|Tfus183crosscut]] ([[User talk:Tfus183crosscut|talk]]) 11:19, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Devastator, Superion --[[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] ([[User talk:Autobot62695|talk]]) 11:22, 14 April 2015 (EDIT)<br />
*Defensor, Devastator, Reflector [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] ([[User talk:Riddlerj|talk]]) 12:46, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Devastator, Monstructor -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 13:55, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Devastator, Superion -- [[User:Misfire 78|Misfire78]] ([[User talk:Misfire78|talk]]) 16:40, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Defensor, Devastaror, Rail Racer -- [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 17:00, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Bruticus, Defensor, Predaking -- [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] ([[User talk:Cattleprod|talk]]) 17:21, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Bruticus, Devastator, Animated Safeguard -- [[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] ([[User talk:Fredbob|talk]]) 18:07, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Big Rescue Force, Defensor, Monstructor -- [[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:20, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Bruticus, The Insectrain, Predaking -- [[User:Gimmick|Gimmick]] ([[User talk:Gimmick|talk]]) 18:30, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Big Rescue Force, Centuritron, Sixturbo --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] ([[User talk:Andrusi|talk]]) 18:43, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Chop Shop (RiD2015), Ruination (RiD2001), Safeguard (Animated)--[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 18:49, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Devastator, Superion [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 22:03, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Big Rescue Force, Magnaboss, Tripredacus [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:27, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Devastator, Predaking, Superion --[[User:Ultra Magnus 506|Ultra Magnus 506]] ([[User talk:Ultra Magnus 506|talk]]) 04:07, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Devastator, Superion -- [[User:Munkky|Munkky]] ([[User talk:Munkky|talk]]) 05:21, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Defensor, Magnaboss, Rail Racer -- [[User:Danja|Danja]] ([[User talk:Danja|talk]]) 05:33, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Menasor, Monstructor -- --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:53, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Devastator, Monstructor, Perceptor (Armada) -- [[User:Cydra|Cydra]] ([[User talk:Cydra|talk]]) 11:58, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Abominus, Bruticus, Menasor -- [[User:HunterCham|HunterCham]] ([[User talk:HunterCham|talk]]) 14:25, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Defensor, Liokaiser, Rail Racer -- [[User:Boy Blunderous|Boy Blunderous]] ([[User talk:Boy Blunderous|talk]]) 18:38, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Devastator, Monstructor, Superion -- [[User:IaconStargazer|IaconStargazer]] ([[User Talk:IaconStargazer|talk]]) 18:10, 15 April 2015 (CDT)<br />
* Devastator, Magnaboss, Tripredacus -- [[User: Kylusprime|Kylusprime]]<br />
* Menasor, Perceptor, Ruination -- [[User:Wasp-shot23|Wasp-shot23]] ([[User talk:Wasp-shot23|talk]]) 21:03, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Devastator, Magnaboss, Mighty Robot -- [[User:Grimlockimus|Grimlockimus]]<br />
* Magnaboss, Predaking, Rail Racer -- [[User:AWildSnorlax]] ([[User talk:AWildSnorlax|talk]]) 21:34, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Computron, Devastator, Superion --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 21:48, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Devastator, Superion --[[User:Autoboty|Autoboty]] ([[User talk:Autoboty|talk]]) 22:52, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Devastator, Superion -- [[User:UltraMarginal|UltraMarginal]] ([[User Talk:UltraMarginal|talk]]) 13:24, 16 April 2015 (AEST)<br />
* Liokaizer, Raiden, Tripredacus [[User:ZeroSD|ZeroSD]] ([[User talk:ZeroSD|talk]]) 03:39, 16 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Monstructor, Rail Racer, Superion -- [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 11:26, 16 April 2015 (GMT)<br />
* Devastator, Prowlastator, Superion--[[User:Regdog|Regdog]] ([[User talk:Regdog|talk]]) 08:11, 16 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Devastator, "Prowlastator," Reflector - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] <sup>[[User talk:Queso|Complain here]]</sup> 22:01, 16 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Abominus, Computron, Predaking -- [[User:Transfan200|Transfan200]] ([[User talk:Transfan200|talk]]) 22:35, 16 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Devastator, Menasor -- [[User:Starscream0625|Starscream0625]] ([[User talk:Starscream0625|talk]]) 09:23, 18 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bruticus, Devastator, Superion -- [[User:Robofreak219|Robofreak219]] ([[User talk:Robofreak219|talk]]) 09:34, 18 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Abominus, Computron, Ruination (Aligned) -- [[User:Tindalos|Tindalos]] ([[User talk:Tindalos|talk]]) 10:31, 18 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Big Rescue Force, Bruticus, Monstructor -- [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:21, 18 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Abominus, Bruticus, Devastator -- [[User:Chase_eX|Chase_eX]]<br />
*Bruticus, Devastator, Superion -- [[User:Shaunaroo|Shaunaroo]]<br />
* Monstructor, Piranacon, Tripredacus - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] ([[User talk:RolonBolon|talk]]) 16:36, 19 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Abominus, Prowl Devastator, Defensor -- [[User:Drift Prime|Drift Prime]] ([[User talk:Drift Prime|talk]]) 1:31, 19 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Abominus, Devastator, Superion --[[User:Dinohunter9|Dinohunter9]][[User Talk:Dinohunter9|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 23:14, 19 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
Computron, Devastator, Predaking--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 00:01, 20 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
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[[Category: TFWiki.net]]</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:TFWiki.net_2015_Transformers_Hall_of_Fame_Auditions/Character&diff=962635MediaWiki:TFWiki.net 2015 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Character2015-04-20T03:57:22Z<p>Robogamer64: /* Poll entries */</p>
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<div>This is the page for the '''TFWiki.net Transformers Hall of Fame Favorite Character Auditions''' entries. The rules are as follows:<br />
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#You must pick your top '''three''' NON-COMBINED ''Transformers'' characters, from any era. They must actually '''be''' Transformers; sorry, but no humans, non-Transformer aliens, non-Transformer robots, or anything else of the sort are being considered for the Hall of Fame. Any votes for such entities will '''not''' be tabulated. It is the sole discretion of the contest organizers to decide what does and does not count.<br />
##Combined form votes '''[[Transformers Wiki:TFWiki.net 2015 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Combiner|go here!]]'''<br />
#Take your top three list and '''put it in alphabetical order'''. Order of preference does not matter. Feel free to denote the character's franchise of origin, although these distinctions may or may not figure into the final results. <br />
#You '''cannot''' pick a specific version of '''Arcee, Bumblebee, Dinobot, Grimlock, Ironhide, Jazz, Megatron, ''Beast Wars'' Megatron, Optimus Prime, Ratchet, Rodimus, Shockwave, Soundwave, Starscream, Ultra Magnus, Waspinator, or Wheeljack.''' They've already been inducted!<br />
#However, '''you CAN vote''' for [[Optimus Primal]]'''! Hasbro considers him separate!<br />
#Only one entry per user.<br />
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Please put your characters of choice and user name below in the following manner:<br />
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*Bulkhead, Emirate Xaaron, Hot Shot--<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki><br />
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Poll entry period ends at 8am on '''[[April 20]]th, 2015'''. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 18:13, 13 April 2015 (EDT) <br />
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==Poll entries==<br />
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* Impactor, Scrounge, Thunderclash--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 18:23, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Blaster, Optimus Primal, Prowl --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 18:52, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Elita One, Optimus Primal, Wreck-Gar--[[User:Zakor1138|Zakor1138]] ([[User talk:Zakor1138|talk]]) 18:58, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Deszaras, Star Saber, Victory Leo -- [[User:S-NFS|S-NFS]] ([[User talk:S-NFS|talk]]) 2:10, 14 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
* Blackarachnia, Flareup, Windblade --[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:11, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Cheetor, Prowl, Wreck-Gar -- [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 19:15, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Blackarachnia, Prowl, Unicron -- [[User:ComeonandSLAM|ComeonandSLAM]] ([[User talk:ComeonandSLAM|talk]]) 19:24, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Blackarachnia, Heatwave, Sky-Byte --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:27, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Blackarachnia, Hot Shot, Ravage --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:35, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bluestreak, Mirage, Prowl -- [[User:Kazenokasa|Kazenokasa]] ([[User talk:Kazenokasa|talk]]) 20:03, 13 April 2015 (EDT) <br />
* Jetfire, Prowl, Rhinox -- [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] ([[User talk:Bobpiecheese|talk]]) 21:36, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Jetfire, Optimus Primal, Prowl -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|<sup>Use this!</sup>]] 21:45, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Drift G1, Inferno BW, Nightbeat G1 -- [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 22:17, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Ginrai, Heatwave, Star Saber -- [[User:Ookalf|Ookalf]] ([[User talk:Ookalf|talk]]) 22:55, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Demolishor, Hot Shot, Sideways -- [[User:Stardust262|Stardust262]] ([[User talk:Stardust262|talk]]) 23:27, 13 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Jetfire, Prowl, Windblade -- [[User:Raininshadows|Raininshadows]] ([[User talk:Raininshadows|talk]]) 00:33, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Blackarachnia, Optimus Primal, Sky-Byte -- [[User:LordTacos|LordTacos]] ([[User talk:LordTacos|talk]]) 00:43, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Cheetor (BW), Ginrai, Optimus Primal --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:52, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bludgeon, Tarn, Whirl -- [[User:Arborday|Arborday]] ([[User talk:Arborday|talk]]) 01:01, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Sideswipe, Sky-Byte, Thundercracker -- [[User:BT383|BT383]] ([[User talk:BT383|talk]]) 01:35, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Galvatron, Laserbeak, Sky-Byte--[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:44, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Blackarachnia, Optimus Primal, Sky-Byte -- [[User:Acidforblood|Acidforblood]] ([[User talk:Acidforblood|talk]]) 01:54, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Ginrai, Roadbuster, Siren -- [[User:StarWars_Jedi|StarWars_Jedi]] ([[User talk:StarWars_Jedi|talk]]) 08:55, 14 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
* Blackarachnia, Lockdown, Thundercracker--[[User:Karanseraph|Karanseraph]] ([[User talk:Karanseraph|talk]]) 02:45, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Blackarachnia, Ravage, Whirl --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 03:05, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Blackarachnia, Jetfire, Lockdown -- [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 05:12, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Brawl, Rotorstorm, Sixshot --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] ([[User talk:Apoc|talk]]) 05:27, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Bulkhead, Optimus Primal, Primus --[[User:Diamondmatter|Diamondmatter]] ([[User talk:Diamondmatter|talk]]) 05:37, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Chase, Gears, Optimus Primal [[User:Chip|Chip]] ([[User talk:Chip|talk]]) 09:25, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Jetfire, Prowl, Sky-Byte --[[User:DjinniMan|Djinniman]]<br />
* Blackarachnia, Prowl, Tyrest -[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 10:46, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Brainstorm, Crosscut (Decepticon), Sky-Byte --[[User:Tfus183crosscut|Tfus183crosscut]] ([[User talk:Tfus183crosscut|talk]]) 11:22, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Optimus Primal, Prowl, Sky-Byte --[[User:Autobot62695|Autobot62695]] ([[User talk:Autobot62695|talk]]) 11:19, 14 April 2015 (EDIT)<br />
* Overlord, Scorponok (G1), Thunderwing --[[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 13:54, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Optimus Primal, Sky-Byte, Unicron [[User:John3637881|John3637881]] ([[User talk:John3637881|talk]]) 14:12, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Nautica, Prowl,Sideswipe [[User:Hyruk|Hyruk]] ([[User talk:Hyruk|talk]]) 14:22, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Omega Supreme, Perceptor, Sky Lynx --[[User:Omegatron|omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 15:12, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Blackarachnia, Cheetor, Unicron -- [[User: Kylusprime]]<br />
*Jetfire, Prowl, Thundercracker -- [[User: Misfire78]] ([[User talk:Misfire78|talk]]) 16:38, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Demolishor (AEC), Hot Spot (G1), Quickmix (G1) -- [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 16:59, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Cyclonus, Scorponok, Swindle -- [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] ([[User talk:Cattleprod|talk]]) 17:13, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Cheetor, Cyclonus, Lockdown -- [[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] ([[User talk:Fredbob|talk]]) 18:01, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Bludgeon, Elita One, Lockdown-- [[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:10, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Blades (RB), Predaking (Prime), Windblade--[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 18:25, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Blurr, Bulkhead, Windblade --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] ([[User talk:Andrusi|talk]]) 18:42, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Blackarachnia, Optimus Primal, Ravage --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 19:45, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Drift, Crosshairs, Lockdown --[[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 22:02, 14 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Blackarachnia, Optimus Primal, Overlord [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:28, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Blitzwing, Omega Supreme, Shrapnel --[[User:Ultra Magnus 506|Ultra Magnus 506]] ([[User talk:Ultra Magnus 506|talk]]) 03:55, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Blackarachnia, Cheetor, Lockdown -- [[User:Munkky|Munkky]] ([[User talk:Munkky|talk]]) 05:22, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Nightbeat, Rattrap, Springer -- [[User:Danja|Danja]] ([[User talk:Danja|talk]]) 05:34, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Galvatron, Ravage, Sky-Byte --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:55, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Jetfire, Optimus Primal, Perceptor -- [[User:Cydra|Cydra]] ([[User talk:Cydra|talk]]) 11:55, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Ironfist, Pharma, Straxus -- [[User:HunterCham|HunterCham]] ([[User talk:HunterCham|talk]]) 14:27, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Cheetor, Cyclonus, Galvatron -- [[User: Cyclonus85]]<br />
* Sky-Byte, Thundercracker, Windblade -- [[User:Boy Blunderous|Boy Blunderous]] ([[User talk:Boy Blunderous|talk]]) 18:37, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Lockdown, Optimus Primal, Rhinox -- [[User:IaconStargazer|IaconStargazer]] ([[User Talk:IaconStargazer|talk]]) 17:58, 15 April 2015 (CDT)<br />
* First Aid, Hardhead, Warpath -- User: Warpath1251<br />
* Blades, Hot Shot, Thundercracker -- [[User:Wasp-shot23|Wasp-shot23]] ([[User talk:Wasp-shot23|talk]]) 21:01, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Cyclonus, Lugnut, Optimus Primal -- [[User: Grimlockimus|Grimlockimus]]<br />
* Bludgeon, Optimus Primal, Whirl -- [[User:AWildSnorlax]] ([[User talk:AWildSnorlax|talk]]) 21:30, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Blitzwing, Galvatron (IDW), Sixshot --[[User:Autoboty|Autoboty]] ([[User talk:Autoboty|talk]]) 22:54, 15 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Hound, Mirage, Thundercracker -- [[User:UltraMarginal|UltraMarginal]] ([[User Talk:UltraMarginal|talk]]) 13:27, 16 April 2015 (AEST)<br />
* Optimus Primal, Sky-Byte, Swerve -- [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User Talk:CharlesRB|talk]]) 11:24, 16 April 2015 (GMT)<br />
* Black Arachnia, Elita-One, Rewind. [[User:ZeroSD|ZeroSD]] ([[User talk:ZeroSD|talk]]) 07:29, 16 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
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* Omega Supreme, Optimus Primal, Prowl [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 09:15, 16 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Optimus Primal, Sparkplug Armada, Tarantulas [[User:Solaris Breaker|Solaris Breaker]] ([[User talk: Solaris Breaker|talk]]) 10:47, 16 April 2015 (CST)<br />
* Ironfist/Fisitron, Overlord, Whirl - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] <sup>[[User talk:Queso|Complain here]]</sup> 22:04, 16 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Perceptor (G1), Skids (G1), Whirl (G1) -- [[User:Transfan200|Transfan200]] ([[User talk:Transfan200|talk]]) 22:38, 16 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Blackarachnia, Omega Supreme, Optimus Primal -- [[User:Cr85747|Cr85747]] ([[User talk:Cr85747|talk]]) 1:26, 17 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways (no disambig needed)]] - [[Thundercracker (G1)]] - [[Windblade (G1)]] - [[User:Sky Shadow|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow|talk]]) 16:40, 17 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Cyclonus, Elita One, Windblade-- [[User: Dorca]] 16:50, 17 April 2015<br />
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* Jetfire, Laserbeak, Omega Supreme -- [[User:Gimmick|Gimmick]] ([[User talk:Gimmick|talk]]) 17:40, 17 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Blaster, Optimus Primal, Primus -- [[User:LycanFX|LycanFX]] ([[User talk:LycanFX|talk]])<br />
* Frenzy (Red one), Red Wing, Wreck-Gar (Animated) -- [[User:GladiatorRedWing|GladiatorRedWing]] ([User talk:GladiatorRedWing|talk]]) 17:25, 17 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
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*Hot Shot, Jetfire, Skorponok -- [[User:Shaunaroo|Shaunaroo]]<br />
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* Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Lockdown - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] ([[User talk:RolonBolon|talk]]) 16:40, 19 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Blackarachnia, Cyclonus, Whirl -[[User:WhirlyBird|WhirlyBird]] ([[User talk:WhirlyBird|talk]]) 20:56, 19 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
*Cyclonus g1, Prowl g1(as he is the best transformer ever),Skywarp -- [[User:Drift Prime|Drift Prime]] ([[User talk:Drift Prime|talk]]) 1:43, 19 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
* Ravage (G1 or SG), SilverBolt BW, Wreck-Gar Animated --[[User:Dinohunter9|Dinohunter9]][[User Talk:Dinohunter9|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:55, 19 April 2015 (EDT)<br />
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<div>''Springer to transform Autobot City (presumably into the robot mode of the giant Autobot Metroplex)''<br />
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I don't think there's any evidence of that parenthetical supposition. Is there? [[User:JW|JW]] 01:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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No, but some backwards reasoning suggests it: according to one of the alterations made after I created this page, the Decepticons' first strike probably took out Metroplex's transformation cog, preventing the Autobots from converting the city to robot mode. Personally I don't buy that explanation either, but given they did a TV episode on the subject later (referenced in the article on the cog) I was just retconning the article to reflect it.<br />
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Although I see the point you're probably making: to transform Autobot City into Metroplex might well have resulted in some injuries and deaths given a solid number of Autobots were inside the city when it would have gone to robot mode. (User 210.185.64.133 ... I am going to create an account, I swear...)<br />
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:Hmm, if Metroplex isn't mentioned in the actual movie, and the fact that his transformation cog was damaged is only mentioned in a followup episode, this should be mentioned in the article. E.g., "transform Autobot City (according to the later episode #foo, into the robot mode of the giant Autobot Metroplex)" or somesuch. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Outnumbered?==<br />
I remmeber there being an awful lot of characters on both sides, but I haven't seen any definitive numbers. Do we have a complete list, so we can verify that the Autobots were outnumbered? Or is it stated in the dialogue? [[User:JW|JW]] 13:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Springer claims they're outnumbered as Starscream strafe's Ultra Magnus' team. Decepticons had their 1984 crew, the coneheads, the Constructicons, the Insecticons, the Triple Changes and Reflector. Not counting the tape guys since they hadn't appeared yet when Springer made that announcement. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
:It's in the dialogue.<br />
:'''Perceptor:''' Ultra Magnus -- an analysis of Decepticon capabilities indicates a distinct tactical deficiency.<br />
:'''Ultra Magnus:''' In other words, Perceptor...?<br />
:'''Springer:''' We're outnumbered!<br />
:(Cue explosion from a Seeker than roars past, shooting.<br />
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== Metroplex ==<br />
Yes, you're correct Steve. [[Floro Dery]] has even gone so far as to say in interviews that he was not aware of Metroplex when making the movie designs for Autobot City. He of course tries to turn it around and say that his Autobot City designs ''inspired'' Metroplex (Which they likely did) but that he had to go with his secondary design as opposed to his primary design which was much better, capable of curing cancer, and could make angels weep openly.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 00:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
: This raises the question of whether the writers of FFoD were doing a retcon -- were trying to explicitly say that Springer's team were transforming Metroplex in the movie -- and they just didn't make it obvious enough. You also have to ask if it really counts as a retcon, since FFoD was the very next bit of animation to come out, and the same guy, Flint Dille, was story consultant on TFTM and the writer of FFoD. We're hanging on the very flimsy edge of "retcon" when one guy contributes to one story and then clarifies things in the next. So: If we think that Dille's authorial intent in FFoD was to say they were transforming Metroplex, we should mention that, with appropriate "apparnetly"s and "arguably"s. [[User:JW|JW]] 01:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
::It is definitely not ''my'' intent to say that Dille intended that. In the finished fiction, Autobot City and Metroplex are ''not the same thing''. Metroplex is, at most, a sentient, mobile "piece" of the city. Before catching up on wiki today, I had never in my life heard anyone claim that Springer and Arcee were trying to transform Metroplex manually despite his damaged cog, and I see no reason to make that speculation. Taking everything at face value, they initiated a clearly-automated sequence for converting the city into a battle fortress. Metroplex is later claimed to have been damaged, clumsily "explaining" why he didn't do anything despite apparently having existed (and not explaining why nobody mentioned him). --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:49, 12 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::I defer to your judgment. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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plus Metroplex if in the movie should have said something like "oh crap i have been shot?" or something i think Autobot City was to damaged to repair and the Autobots used the parts to create Metroplex after the movie, the damaged cog was the one for the city that would have been given to Metroplex but was damaged. (MChase)<br />
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== Prime kill shot image ==<br />
If that image that Zobovor removed, and then was reverted back in, actually was swiped from his site, then it probably shouldn't be here unless he okays it, being as it is not just a plain screenshot but an image put together from two shots. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I don't think putting together two screenshots of a copyrighted work owned by Hasbro into one image really qualifies the image as "his". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::No, but if it was taken from his website and he put them together, he should at least get some credit in the upload. He doesn't. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::It's still pretty rude to take it from his site without acknowledging where it was taken from, at the very least. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Fair enough. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== I Spy Smokescreen ==<br />
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While rewatching this battle again, I think I may have spotted Smokescreen's body lying where Wheeljack's body turns up a second later. Watch [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJcuCWllVeQ here] from 0:16-0:18, look in the far lefthand side at where Arcee is dragging Windcharger's body and behind her you'll see a dead bot that looks like Smokescreen, then at 0:28 it's replaced by Wheeljack's corpse. I could be wrong, but it does look kinda like him to me. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 22:14, 16 March 2010 (EDT)<br />
:That's Wheeljack colored like Smokescreen. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:22, 16 March 2010 (EDT)<br />
::While it is Wheeljack's model, I'm not entirely convinced it's in Smokescreen's colors. Here's an enlarged picture.<br />
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::[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/TFTMDeadJack.jpg Viola]. The purple legs makes me think it's just a made-up scheme... --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 22:25, 16 March 2010 (EDT)<br />
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:::Oooo, you're right. Closest match is probably Sideswipe. Hey, Pat Lee was right! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:43, 16 March 2010 (EDT)<br />
Interesting. I just figured that it might've been Smokescreen due to the red torso and the fact that Smokescreen was supposed to be the corpse there instead of Wheeljack. But, animation error is as animation error does, I guess. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:07, 17 March 2010 (EDT)<br />
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==Known participants==<br />
Any reason for removing it? I kind of like having it. Is there a downside?--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:34, 5 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:I can foresee the inclusion of Lugnut being contentious, but if we have a note about why he's included on the list, I think it'd be all right. I'd like the list more if it was formatted using {{tl|featuredcharacters}} though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:15, 10 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::''(Moved to page)''<br />
::Like so! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:26, 10 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::My bad. Out of reflex. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 03:42, 10 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::I'm okay with a list participants, but I prefer some extra focus on the dudes not originally part of the fight. Can they get an asterisk behind their name with a note below the list that either refers to the trivia section or gets the line from the trivia section? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 03:47, 10 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::::I was thinking possibly a &lt;ref&gt; with the notes underneath. Shockwave may need one too, as he's an animation error, ISTR! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:54, 10 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::::Works for me! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:05, 10 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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== Do the Decpticons that are reformated count as dead? ==<br />
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Megatron, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Insecticons, etc. are technically dead then turned into Galvatron, Scourge, & Cyclonus respectively.--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 18:12, 9 March 2015 (EDT)</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Aligned_continuity_family&diff=947606Aligned continuity family2015-02-24T19:36:40Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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[[File:Hasbrobible-OPrimedescription.jpg|upright=1.95|thumb|Optimus Prime's depiction in Hasbro's brand bible at the center of the aligned continuity family.]]<br />
The '''Aligned continuity family''' was launched in 2010 with the intention of being the foundation of most ''[[Transformers brand|Transformers]]'' projects for the decade to come.<ref name="decade">[[Hasbro Q&A/January 2011: Answers|TFWiki.net Hasbro Q&A, Jan. 2011]]</ref> Its core is the "[[Binder of Revelation]]",<ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/botcon-2011-coverage-hasbro-intellectual-property-panel/21870/ Seibertron.com Botcon 2011 Coverage: Hasbro Intellectual Property Panel]</ref> a 354-page<ref>[http://www.figures.com/forums/news/13305-botcon-2011-hasbro-panel-report.html Figures.com recap of Hasbro BotCon 2011 panel]</ref> [[production bible|brand bible]] co-written by [[Aaron Archer]], [[Rik Alvarez]] and other Transformer experts from [[Hasbro]] and the [[fandom]], charting billions of years worth of history for the Transformers.<ref>''[[Transformers Vault]]''.</ref> The [[Continuity family|family]] currently comprises the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'', ''[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron]]'', ''[[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Prime]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (franchise)|Rescue Bots]]'' franchises,<ref name="aligned">[http://www.allspark.com/content/view/8189/20/ Hasbro continuity declaration]</ref> and it has some influence on [[Transformers Hall of Fame|Hall of Fame]] character portrayal.<ref name="newaligned">[http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024 TFviews.com Hasbro Q&A, July 2010]</ref><br />
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Hasbro has not given this family an official title. We have derived the name "Aligned" from Hasbro statements referring to this as a new "aligned continuity".<ref name="aligned" /><ref name="newaligned" /> Hasbro considered the whole continuity "a bit of an animal to define".<ref name="allspark2011botcon"/><br />
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==Creative vision==<br />
The Aligned venture appears to be Hasbro's attempt at synthesizing a grand unified [[continuity]] out of all of the previous lore. An expression of this can be seen in the Hall of Fame profiles, one of which was officially confirmed as being "based off of" Aligned continuity.<ref name="newaligned" /> That one and several others present each character as an amalgam of traits from disparate continuities, ranging from ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' to the [[Unicron Trilogy]] to the [[live-action film series]] and more (see [[#Hall of Fame profiles|below]]).<br />
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This is a significant departure from Hasbro's [[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)|previous]] [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)|forays]] into meta-continuity, which preserved the integrity of old timelines as separate, coexistent universes within a single [[multiverse]]. In that schema, the Aligned family would be simply one more [[universal stream]] added to the mix, beholden to preestablished concepts like [[Multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]]. But when asked about how [[The Fallen|a certain singularity]] would relate to the new fiction, Hasbro replied, "Anything you know from past generations of the brand may or may not be factual in the new continuity."<ref name="fallen">[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=74182&view=findpost&p=1675011 Allspark.com Hasbro Q&A, Nov. 2010]</ref> At [[BotCon 2011]], the multiverse was referred to as a "separate universe".<ref name="allspark2011botcon">[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=79726 AllSpark.com live transcript of Archer and Alvarez's 2011 BotCon panel]</ref><br />
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Where, exactly, this leaves the Aligned fiction in relation to the rest of the multiverse is unclear. [[Movie continuity|Other]] [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|contemporary]] [[Transformers Timelines (fiction)|fiction]] has continued to tell stories set in older universes, so it seems at least that Aligned material is not meant to supersede the continuities from which it draws. The Aligned universe has also been involved in crossovers with older universes, meaning that it is not entirely separate from the rest of Transformers fiction.<br />
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Hasbro consistently refers to all Aligned fiction as one "continuity", and while different storylines may appear to contradict each other, "reasons for the confusion will be revealed".<ref name="decade" /> However, that ideal is hampered by the fact that various elements of the fiction have separate creative teams with distinct visions that sometimes conflict. For that reason, this wiki takes the more cautious route of calling it a "continuity family". The brand bible's description in ''Transformers Vault'' states it paints the Transformers history in broad strokes, so as to give creators the necessary</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Bumblebee_(Movie)/toys&diff=943060Bumblebee (Movie)/toys2015-02-14T22:53:45Z<p>Robogamer64: /* Deluxe Class */</p>
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'''[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]''' is the star of a [[Live-action film series|multi-billion-dollar film franchise]], and as such has a horrendous amount of toys and memorabilia!<br />
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[[File:Bumblebeemovielegends.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It's not a fiesta with racing stripes... it's a fiesta OF racing stripes!]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Legends Class, 2007)<br />
**''Japanese name:'' '''EZ Collection Bumblebee'''<br />
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: Legends Bumblebee transforms into a yellow 1976 Chevrolet Camaro. Being a highly simplified toy of a highly complex design, Legends-class Bumblebee does not replicate the appearance of the robot mode very well, and has very limited articulation, detail and paint application. On the other hand, he's pocket-sized and inexpensive, perfect for the younger set. The toy has a sculpted rear window, but it's not painted like the other windows. instead, the racing stripes extend over them.<br />
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: He was later redecoed into [[Cliffjumper (Movie)#Legends Class toys|Cliffjumper]].<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/LegendsBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Legends Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:2007MovieOptimusPrimeCostCoBonusPack.jpg|thumb|Surprisingly accurate scale]]<br />
*'''Optimus Prime bonus pack''' ([[Costco]] exclusive multi-pack, 2007)<br />
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:A Costco exclusive special pack of Leader Class [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#CostcoPrimeBonus|Optimus Prime]] with Legends Class Bumblebee and [[Jazz (Movie)#CostcoPrimeBonus|Autobot Jazz]] as bonus figures. None of the three toys are changed from their respective original releases.<br />
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[[File:Movie Allspark Legends pack.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The classic G1 cast...plus Barricade.]]<br />
*'''Battle for the Allspark''' (Toys'R'Us exclusive multi-pack, 2007)<br />
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: A Toys'R'Us exclusive, this six-pack of Legends class figures contains unmodified toys of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#BftAS|Optimus Prime]], [[Jazz (Movie)#TRULegendsPack|Jazz]], Bumblebee, [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#BftAS|Megatron]], [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#BftAS|Starscream]], and [[Barricade (Movie)/toys#BftAS|Barricade]].<br />
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[[File:Movie Bumblebee Scanning EZ.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Honey Bee]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee Scanning Version''' (''Hyper Hobby'' magazine exclusive EZ Collection variant, 2007)<br />
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: A Japanese-exclusive version of the Legends Bumblebee toy, Bumblebee Scanning Version (バンブルビー スキャニング Ver.) uses transparent plastics for his yellow parts. He was available as a mail-order item from ''Hyper Hobby'' magazine in September of 2007. The toy itself is almost entirely unpainted, save for some metallic blue for his eyes, and silver for his face and for the tampographed Autobot symbol on his chest.<br />
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*'''Bumblebee Metallic Version''' (Tsutaya Records exclusive EZ collection variant, 2007)<br />
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[[File:Movie Legends Bumblebee Scorponok toys.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Bee stings.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee vs. Scorponok''' (Legends Allspark Battles two-pack, 2008)<br />
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: As part of the ''AllSpark Battles'' Legends two-packs, a slightly redecoed Legends class Bumblebee, now sporting "battle damage" paint applications, comes with an all-new Legends [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] figure.<br />
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===Deluxe Class toys===<br />
[[File:Bumblebeemovietoydeluxe67.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|These used cars are fully loaded!]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe Class Classic Camaro, 2007)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-03'''<br />
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles<br />
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: The first Deluxe Class version of Movie Bumblebee transforms into a yellow [[wikipedia:Second-generation Chevrolet Camaro|1976 Chevrolet Camaro]] with a quite reasonable level of sculpted detail. In contrast to the other Deluxe-class car Transformers in the Movie toyline, he does not have clear windows, instead opting for opaque yellow plastic with painted metallic blue.<br />
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: Bumblebee is armed with two shoulder-mounted spring-loaded missile launchers (inspired by the shoulder-mounted missile launchers he uses to fight Brawl/Devastator in the movie), which also double as hand-held weapons or can be mounted on ports on the undersides of his elbows. His legs and chest [[Automorph Technology|Automorph]] during transformation.<br />
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: The initial release of the toy featured even tabs for the Automorph gimmick; oddly, Hasbro later decided to [[retool]] the feature so the tab would be uneven.<ref>[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=29613 Original Allspark thread about the retool of Bumblebee's Automorph gimmick]</ref> This resulted in many reported cases of the tab snapping during transformation. Press the button or you'll break him. Seriously. The retooled Automorph gimmick would be used for all subsequent versions of the mold, including the Japanese ones, and the breakage problem wouldn't be fixed until the UK exclusive "Towed to Safety" two-pack and the Target exclusive "Evolution of a Hero" two-pack.<br />
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[[File:Movie Deluxe 1974 Bumblebee JPtoy.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|Never seen so much translucent plastic in all my life.]]<br />
: Packaging photos and early [[Prototype|test shots]] of Hasbro's Bumblebee featured transparent blue plastic windows and missile parts. However, the final Hasbro production toy has opaque yellow plastic. The Japanese [[TakaraTomy]] release of Bumblebee retains the transparent blue plastic parts, with yellow paint for the outer car shell. As a consequence, the missiles, which are on the same sprue, are also made of clear blue plastic, just like the early prototype seen in the Hasbro stock photos for the toy. He also uses the retooled version of the mold with the fixed Automorph gimmick. <br />
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The packaging used for the Japanese toy is the same as for the Hasbro version, with the exception of additional stickers identifying it as a Japanese market release.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/Bumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Deluxe-class Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:Bumblebee Barricade deluxeboxset.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Go ahead, make my day!"]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee vs. Barricade: First Encounter''' (Deluxe two-pack, 2007)<br />
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles<br />
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: This battle pack contains the 1976 Camaro deluxe-class Bumblebee and the deluxe-class [[Barricade (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys|Barricade]]/[[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]] figures, based upon their confrontation as seen in the movie. The box features a diorama-style background from a movie scene, but the toys themselves are unchanged from their original carded releases.<br />
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: The set originally retailed for only slightly less than buying the two individual toys. However, for a short while, it was about the only way to ''get'' Bumblebee in the first place, thanks to the [[Movie (toyline)|toy drought]] following the movie's record-smashing opening.<br />
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[[File:Lawson-exclusive-deluxe-bumblebee.jpg|350px|right|thumb]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee Limited Metallic Color Version''' (Lawson exclusive Deluxe-sized Classic Camaro, TakaraTomy 2007)<br />
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles<br />
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: A redeco of the Japanese version of the Classic Camaro Bumblebee mold, Bumblebee Limited Metallic Color Version (バンブルビー限定メタリックカラー Ver., ''Bumblebee Gentei Metallic Color Ver.'') was exclusively available with the purchase of a ticket for the movie in Japanese Lawson stores. It retained the clear blue windows and missiles of the standard Japanese release.<br />
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[[File:Movie TowedtoSafety toys.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Sadly, All Spark Insurance doesn't cover towing charges.]]<br />
*'''Towed to Safety''' (Deluxe two-pack, UK 2007)<br />
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles<br />
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: This set features an unaltered Deluxe class [[Longarm (Movie)#TowedToSafety|Longarm]] figure and a Deluxe class 1976 Camaro Bumblebee figure. The window box features a diorama background of the battle in [[Mission City]] (basically the same packaging inner tray from the "Bumblebee vs. Barricade: First Encounter" pack). As is generally the case with the European releases of the Movie toys, the pictures on the front of the box show the robot-mode toys instead of an artist's depiction of their faces.<br />
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: For this two-pack, Hasbro slightly retooled Bumblebee's Automorph gimmick again, adding another small tab that finally resolved the breakage issues that had plagued the previous variation of the mold.<ref>[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=38149 Allspark thread about the second retool of Bumblebee's Automorph gimmick]</ref><br />
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:Thus far, this pack has only been confirmed to have been released in the United Kingdom.<br />
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[[File:Movie Deluxe 2009 Bumblebee toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Nu-uh! You don't want none of this!]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe Class, 2007)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-10'''<br />
**''Accessories:'' [[Plasma cannon]]<br />
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: The second Deluxe Class Bumblebee toy, which shares no parts with the previous one (even the head, despite being based on the same general design, is a different sculpt), transforms into the [[wikipedia:Fifth-generation Chevrolet Camaro|concept vehicle for the 2009 Chevrolet Camaro]]. Maintaining the high standard for car accuracy in the movie line, Bumblebee is very faithful to the real-life vehicle, featuring clear blue windows in contrast to the opaque windows seen in both his previous Deluxe class toy and the Ultimate Bumblebee toy.<br />
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: Bumblebee features two [[Automorph Technology|Automorphing]] gimmicks during transformation: ''(a)'' swinging his hood down into robot mode position also moves his arms up and ''(b)'', swinging his feet down will move the rear fenders up and behind his calves, as well as swinging the rear windows to his inner calves in a spring-loaded action. Unusually, this version of Bumblebee is much more accurate to the CGI design than either the older-model Deluxe OR the Ultimate figure, with the chest properly articulating in a fairly Movie-accurate manner. He's also slightly taller than most of the other Deluxe Class figures. <br />
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: Bumblebee features a superb range of articulation, with ball joints in his shoulders, neck, torso, wrists and upper legs, with ratcheting and swivels making up the remaining joints. Instead of the rather inaccurate missile launchers from the 1976 Camaro toy, '09 Bumblebee comes with a mostly accurate version of his plasma cannon as it appears in the movie, but for added play value, it can Automorph into an energy blade by opening up the halves of the gun barrel and swinging them back. The cannon can be held in either of his hands.<br />
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: Care should be taken when removing the cannon from Bumblebee's hands, as excessive force can damage the wrist ball joint socket.<br />
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: Contrary to popular opinion, the yellow pieces on the back of Bumblebee's feet are ''not'' supposed to be heel spurs, nor have they been mis-assembled. They are supposed to fold up to emulate the detail found on the CGI design.<br />
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: A running change version of this sculpt adds sculpted pupils to Bumblebee's eyes. A ''second'' running change adds tabs to the hip panels, which makes the vehicle mode hold together better.<ref name="conceptvariant">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=144325 TFW2005 thread about the retool for the second Deluxe Bumblebee toy]</ref> Initially this was believed to be a variant for the Japanese market; however, later shipments of the Hasbro toy featured those changes as well, as did all subsequent versions of the sculpt.<br />
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: This sculpt was also used to make "Allspark Power" [[Cliffjumper (Movie)#Deluxe Class toys|Cliffjumper]].<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/ConceptBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Concept Camaro Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:Movie Bumblebee Evolutionofahero.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Hey, look, Concept Camaro, now ''you're'' the piece o' crap.]]<br />
*'''Evolution of a Hero''' (Target exclusive two-pack, 2007)<br />
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles, Plasma cannon<br />
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: A Target exclusive, this figure multi-pack contains an unchanged Deluxe-class 1976 Bumblebee and an exclusive "battle damaged" 2009 Camaro Concept Bumblebee. Even though the 2009 figure is supposed to represent Bumblebee's damaged state as he appeared during the final battle in the movie, oddly enough the "damage" paint decos do not appear to extend to his legs, restricting themselves to his upper torso and car roof/door parts. Maybe they didn't bother because they thought you'd take them off like in the movie. Go figure.<br />
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:The Classic Camaro Bumblebee toy included in this package features the same "fixed" Automorph gimmick also found on the version included in the UK exclusive "Towed to Safety" two-pack. In addition, the Automorph button on the hood ''finally'' sports the painted pinstripes that had been missing on ''all'' previous releases of the sculpt.<br />
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:This two-pack was available as a Target exclusive in the USA, as a Zellers exclusive in Canada (in English-only packaging), as a Tesco exclusive in the United Kingdom and Ireland, and as an exclusive to stores that were members of either the Idee + Spiel or Vedes trade associations (which were cooperating at the time) in Germany. All international versions came in English-only US-style packaging, but lacked the "Only at Target" sticker.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/Target76Bumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Evolution of a Hero '76 Camaro Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/TargetBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Evolution of a Hero Concept Camaro Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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*'''Bumblebee and Optimus Prime''' (two-pack, Hong Kong/UK/Australia/France 2007)<br />
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon<br />
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: A two-pack, containing an unchanged Voyager Class [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#BeePrimePack|Optimus Prime]] and an equally unchanged Deluxe Class Concept Camaro Bumblebee. The two-pack was available as a mass retail release in Hong Kong, as an Argos exclusive in the United Kingdom, as a Kmart exclusive in Australia, and with undetermined distribution in France.<br />
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[[File:Movie ScreenBattles CaptureofBB.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|You'll never take me alive!]]<br />
*'''Capture of Bumblebee''' (Screen Battles diorama pack, 2007)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''SB-04'''<br />
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon<br />
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: A more [[show-accuracy|screen-accurate]] [[redeco]] of Camaro Concept Deluxe Class Bumblebee, with all the original version's black plastic parts save for the wheels changed to gray, and all black [[paint operation]]s save for the racing stripes in vehicle mode and the [[license plate]] on the robot mode's abdomen also changed to gray accordingly. In addition, the translucent parts are now an ever-so-slightly greener shade of blue. The only other change beyond that is the addition of a new [[tampograph]]ed red Autobot symbol on his forehead.<br />
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: This ''Screen Battles'' pack (or "Battle Scenes" in Europe) also includes with non-[[articulation|poseable]] figurines of [[Sector Seven]] agent [[Seymour Simmons]] and two Sector Seven soldiers; one carrying a cryo-freezing cannon and one carrying a grenade launcher.<br />
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: This set comes in a special window box featuring a diorama background of the scene in which Bumblebee is captured by Sector Seven forces.<br />
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: According to details listed in an official checklist on Hasbro's website,<ref name="checklist">[http://web.archive.org/web/20080920112933/http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/default.cfm?page=Collectors/Checklist Hasbro checklist] featuring Screen Battles sets with additional extras</ref> this pack was originally supposed to feature "ice soldiers" (plural), in addition to an "S7 agent" and an "S7 soldier". Apparently budget ultimately only allowed for one. The grenade launcher-wielding S7 soldier also looks conspicuously like [[William Lennox|Captain Lennox]] colored as a Sector Seven soldier (it's possible that the figure had originally been intended for the Screen Battles "Desert Attack" pack with [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]], which was supposed to contain ''four'' soldier figures according to the same Hasbro checklist<ref name="checklist"/>).<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/ScreenBattlesBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Capture of Bumblebee Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:MovieTargetAllsparkDeluxeBumblebee.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Bumblebee just went neon. For Playskool, see the Cyber Slammers version.]]<br />
*'''All Spark-Enhanced Bumblebee''' (Target Exclusive Deluxe, 2007) <br />
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon<br />
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: This Target exclusive features the Deluxe Class Bumblebee in unique cylindrical packaging, with the only difference from his standard release being that key robot mode parts are highlighted by the slavish 'All Spark Blue' color for no other reason than [[to sell toys]].<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/AllsparkBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on AllSpark Enhanced Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:Movie Deluxe StealthBumblebee toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Bumblebee, as he appears in [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Bizarro World]].]]<br />
*'''Stealth Bumblebee''' (Deluxe Class Concept Camaro, 2008)<br />
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon<br />
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: Stealth Bumblebee is an extensive redeco and minor retool of the Deluxe Class Concept Camaro Bumblebee toy. The redeco itself is unusual in that the yellow parts are still cast in yellow plastic, but painted black. Other color differences include changing the robot mode body parts from black to gray and adding bright blue ''AllSpark Power'' decos. <br />
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:The head has also been retooled to reflect Bumblebee's 'battle mask' as seen in the Movie. The "mask" does not flip up to reveal his head. Bummer.<br />
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:Downloadable content for the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|Xbox 360/PS3 version of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' game]] features this deco as an alternate skin for Bumblebee.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/StealthBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Stealth Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:MovieDeluxePremiumBumblebee.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' ("Premium Series" Deluxe Class Concept Camaro, 2008)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-22'''<br />
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon<br />
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:This [[redeco]] of Stealth Bumblebee (featuring the "battle mask" head) features a similar deco as the Screen Battles version of the Concept Camaro sculpt in terms of plastic colours. However, as part of the "[[Premium Series]]", all of his outer car body panels have been coated in a metallic yellow paint job, and he features several very intricate additional [[paint operation]]s such as the rear [[license plate]] in vehicle mode (in addition to the one on the robot mode belly), a silver gas cap, red turn signals, gray inner shins, gold front and rear Chevrolet logos, silver details on the shoulder pieces, a black rear bumper and additional black pinstripes for the racing stripes.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/PremiumBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Premium Series Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:WMTheLegacyOfBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Featuring Whitebread Edition Bumblebee, Limey Edition Bumblebee, and ''Animated'' Edition Bumblebee. (What'd you '''think''' we were gonna say?)]]<br />
*'''The Legacy of Bumblebee''' (Deluxe class multi-pack, 2008)<br />
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:A Walmart [[exclusive]] three pack, ''The Legacy of Bumblebee'' collector's set comes with [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|''Classics'']], Movie Deluxe Concept Camaro ([[Premium Series]]) and ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] figures. While the ''Movie'' and ''Animated'' Bumblebees are identical to their original, single carded releases, the ''Classics'' Bumblebee has been redecoed to more closely resemble his ''Movie'' and ''Animated'' counterparts, changing his white stripes to black, and his grey/silver plastic to yellow, similarly to ''Henkei! Henkei!'' Bumble.<br />
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===Screen Battles===<br />
[[File:Movie ScreenBattles FinalStand1.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Half a bee, philosophically/ Must, ipso facto, half not be./ But half the bee has got to be/ Vis-a-vis, its entity. D'you see?"]]<br />
*'''Final Stand''' (Screen Battles, 2007)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''SB-02'''<br />
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: This ''Screen Battles'' pack (or "Battle Scenes" in Europe) comes with an altered [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]] toy and a posable, non-transforming, battle-damaged Bumblebee figure very similar to the ''Robot Replicas'' toy, yet surprisingly utilizing none of the same parts despite being on an identical scale. This set comes in a special window box featuring a diorama background of the battle in Mission City.<br />
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:Although entirely composed of original sculpting, such as the gimpy leg-stumps, the Bumblebee figure oddly does not feature the character's distinctive car door "wings" on his back. However, keen [[customizing|customisers]] can easily rectify this by slicing the "Robot Replicas" version's wings off and whittling their connecting plastic into simple posts that very handily plug into large holes in the tires on Final Stand 'Bee's back. In fact, these holes almost seem designed to accommodate a missing part. (Considering how all the other Screen Battles sets were apparently originally intended to feature more, or at least more elaborate, accessory figures based on their entries in an official checklist on Hasbro's website,<ref name="checklist"/> this seems indeed very plausible.)<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/ScreenBattlesFSBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on "Final Stand" Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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===Ultimate===<br />
[[File:Ultimate Bumblebee toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|All those extras and they couldn't make me more accurate than the deluxe class toy.]]<br />
*'''Ultimate Bumblebee''' (Ultimate, 2007)<br />
**''Accessories:''<br />
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: Similar in appearance to the second Deluxe-class Bumblebee toy, albeit much larger and more complex, the 'Ultimate' version of Bumblebee also transforms into the 2009 concept Camaro. The toy features animatronic movement in robot mode (flapping wings, moving arms and a rotating head) and light-up eyes and headlights, activated by the movement or sounds made by the person playing with the toy, or by pressing his buttons, which also activate an obscene number of interactive electronic sound effects. Oddly enough, despite being mute for most of the movie, Bumblebee has a wide range of phrases (Which don't even sound like him). His chest button yields various phrases and a new version of the ''Transformers'' theme tune, while a button on his side produces blaster noises, more speech, and musical samples, including four different ones from Devo's "Whip It." This button also causes the toy to raise its cannon-arm and automatically fire a missile. Playing with the toy by moving it will make him repeat various phrases and samples activated by other features, as well as crashing battle noises, but when he is left idle, more unique phrases will be uttered inquiring where everyone has gone, as well as radio snippets to the same effect, before the toy eventually deactivates. Pressing any button will bring him back online with a cheerful shout.<br />
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: Transforming the toy between modes is accompanied by the classic transformation noise, and if left unattended between modes, it will make stalling engine noises, car horn and a car alarm sounds. Once in car mode, new electronics are unlocked, beginning with the sound of an engine starting up. The chest button now activates the car's horn, and rolling the figure along will create an accelerating noise that increases the faster the toy is moved. More unique musical snippets will play as the car rolls along; when the rolling stops, brake lights activate and the tires screech. Yet more sounds are produced when Bumblebee is rolled backwards, and the car mode also features different crashing battle noises to the robot mode.<br />
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: All of the toy's features can be turned off by a switch, and it has an additional "Try Me" mode which allows you to hear various sounds from the toy's various functions just by pressing the chest button.<br />
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: The toy is mistransformed in the package, and all promo photos of the figure made the same mistake, presenting the car hood as a solid block resting on Bumblebee's chest. In reality, it splits up into five separate pieces to fold and collapse into a more movie-like appearance.<br />
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: In the holiday season, Wal-Mart carried an exclusive "Bonus Buy" version of the toy, which had the Deluxe [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] and [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] toys added as freebies. Costco also carried an exclusive version, with the 3" [[Titanium Series]] version of Bumblebee packed in. However, it did not include the display stand.<br />
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:The projectile included with this figure is the same mold included with several [[Attacktix]] figures like the [[Decepticlone]], Omnicon, Vehicle Mode [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], and a few others.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/UltimateBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Ultimate Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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*'''Ultimate Bumblebee bonus pack''' (Costco exclusive two-pack, 2007)<br />
**''Accessories:''<br />
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:A [[Costco]] [[exclusive]] special pack of Ultimate Bumblebee with [[Titanium Series]] Bumblebee (see below) as a bonus figure. Neither toy is changed from its respective original release.<br />
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*'''Ultimate Bumblebee Bonus Value pack''' (Wal*Mart exclusive multi-pack, 2007)<br />
**''Accessories:''<br />
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:A [[Walmart]] exclusive special pack of Ultimate Bumblebee with Deluxe Class [[Brawl (Movie)#BeeValuePack|Decepticon Brawl]] and [[Scorponok (Movie)#BeeValuePack|Scorponok]] as bonus figures. None of the three toys are changed from their respective original releases.<br />
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===Fast Action Battlers===<br />
[[File:Bumblebeemoviefab.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Fast and actiony. You know, for the kids!]] <br />
*'''Plasma Punch Bumblebee''' (Fast Action Battler, 2007)<br />
**''Accessories:'' Plasma Bolt<br />
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:[[Fast Action Battlers]] Bumblebee transforms from concept Camaro to robot with a considerably simpler transformation than the standard deluxe toy, intended for the slightly younger set. His main "gimmick" is a spring-loaded missile launcher in his right arm. As is also the case with Ultimate Bumblebee, the toy is mis-transformed in the package, and all promo photos of the figure make the same mistake, presenting the car hood as a solid block. In reality, the chest/bumper consists of two rotating pieces which can pivot down so as to more accurately emulate the appearance in the movie.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/FABBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Plasma Punch Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:FAB Rally Rocket BB.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It's Buckaroo Banzai! The latest issue!]]<br />
*'''Rally Rocket Bumblebee''' (Fast Action Battler, 2008)<br />
**''Accessories:'' Plasma Bolt<br />
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:A redeco of Plasma Punch Bumblebee. As is also the case with the original [[Fast Action Battlers]] Bumblebee, the hood in his stock photos is misrepresented as a solid brick.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/FABBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Rally Rocket Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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===Cyber Slammers===<br />
[[File:Bumblebeemoviecyberslammer.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|A Battlecharger for the new millennium.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Classic Camaro Cyber Slammer, 2007)<br />
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: Cyber Slammers Bumblebee is an amazingly cute 1976 Camaro that transforms into an amazingly cute Autobot buddy of human characters. "Slam" his robot mode down into car mode and he rolls along for a while, then snaps back up into robot mode. <br />
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: This toy was also made available during the 2007 holiday season as a freebie "Bonus Buy" packaged with Cyber Stompin' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]] at Wal-Mart stores.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/CySlamBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Cyber Slammers Classic Camaro Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:Movie Bumblebee CamaroConcept CyberSlammer.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|And so, Bumblebee rejoins the Throttlebots.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Concept Camaro Cyber Slammer, 2007)<br />
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:The second [[Cyber Slammers]] Bumblebee figure toy transforms into a Concept Camaro and shares no parts with the previous Cyber Slammers Bumblebee figure. Like all Cyber Slammers, the toy features motorized action. When you push down on the car, it zooms forward, then pops up into robot mode! Sure to please the toddler you brought with you to the PG-13 movie. Like most Cyber Slammers, Bumblebee manages to cram most of his vehicle mode's major details into a compact, super-deformed version of that mode.<br />
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: This toy was later redecoed into [[Cliffjumper (Movie)#Cyber Slammers|Cliffjumper]].<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/CySlamConceptBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Cyber Slammers Concept Camaro Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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===Trans-Scanning===<br />
[[File:Movie TranScanning Bumblebee toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|whY mY SHoUlDeRs hUrT?(Now I know how Hot Shot feels)]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (2008)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TS-02'''<br />
**''Accessories:'' Display stand<br />
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: [[Trans-scan]]ning Bumblebee is a Japanese-exclusive figure with many interchangeable parts. At its most basic, the figure is a spindly skeleton referred to as a "Core Body". To this skeleton, two sets of armor pieces can be attached to create one of two forms for Bumblebee: his [[protoform]] mode or his Earth mode.<br />
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: The protoform mode consists of eight pieces of golden plastic that plug into the arms, chest, pelvis and legs of the figure. With these pieces attached, the figure can be manipulated in a manner that might charitably be called "transformation" into his meteor-like "entry mode," accomplished by doing little more than tucking the head out of sight and folding the chest back. This golden-and-grey lump can be mounted on a three-piece stand that comes with the figure, allowing you to display it in mid-plummet. Bumblebee's Earth mode, meanwhile, is made up of nineteen armor pieces (including a particularly large backpack) that form a rather [[Kibble|kibbly]] robot mode, which can then transform into a Camaro Concept.<br />
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: Bumblebee also includes a pair of interchangeable, open-palmed hands that can be swapped out for the clenched fists that are in place in-package. The Core Body mold was re-used for the simultaneously released Trans-Scanning [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]] figure.<br />
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===Cyber Stompin' robots===<br />
[[File:Bumblebeemoviecyberstompin.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|These boots were made for—you know the rest.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Cyber Stompin' Robots, 2007)<br />
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: [[Cyber Stompin' Robots]] Bee is a large electronic action figure, featuring a rather cutified design. He's got electronic lights and sounds up the whazzoo and fires missiles and a fist. He totally plays the original theme song.<br />
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: Later in the year, Wal-Mart stores sold this toy as a "Bonus Buy" item, which came with a free Cyber Slammer [[Barricade (Movie)/toys|Barricade]] attached to the box back.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/CyStompBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Cyber Stompin' Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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===Robot Replicas===<br />
[[File:Movie RobotReplica Bumblebee.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Heli-pack not included]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Robot Replicas, 2007)<br />
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: As part of the [[Robot Replicas]] sub-line, this version of concept-Camaro Bumblebee is a non-transforming action figure that hews very close to the movie's CGI model. It features joints similar to the [[Revoltech]] toys, plus his right forearm can be replaced with his blaster-arm (or any other arm attachments from other Robot Replicas, which could lead to some fun Frankensteins). For some reason, he's closer to orange than his normal yellow.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/RRBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Robot Replicas Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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===Micro IR Transformers Cars===<br />
[[File:Movie Bumblebee MircroIR.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Drives and shoots!]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (2007)<br />
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: Made by [[RadioShack]] under license from [[Hasbro]] and [[DreamWorks]]. The three-function infrared remote, in Bumblebee's signature colors, gives you control of the car with forward and reverse turn movement. More than just a car styled after the Movie character, the car also transforms to robot mode. The top of the gun-shaped IR remote's barrel serves as a display stand. The tip of the gun barrel can also be unscrewed, revealing a pen (!) inside.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/RSBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Micro IR Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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==Titanium Series==<br />
[[File:Bumblebeemoviets3.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Special feature: Can't talk, just like the real Bumblebee!]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Robot Masters, 2007)<br />
**''Accessories:'' Movie-style Autobot sigil display stand<br />
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: This Bumblebee is a three-inch tall painted mini-statue of his 1976 Camaro body form. He features die-cast in his torso and thighs, and he has swivel joints at the shoulders, head and waist. Oh, and he comes with a Movie-style Autobot logo base to stand on.<br />
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: This item was also packed in with Ultimate Bumblebee as a Costco-exclusive set.<br />
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: This mold was later used to make ''Titanium Series'' [[Cliffjumper (Movie)#Titanium Series|Cliffjumper]] for ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''.<br />
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==Revenge of the Fallen==<br />
===Legends Class toys===<br />
[[File:ROTF Legends Bumblebee.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb| Designed for the impulse buyer in all of us.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2009)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''EZ-03'''<br />
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:''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends class Bumblebee is based upon the updated Camaro Concept featured in the movie (unlike the 2007 Legends class Bumblebee which was based on the 1976 Camaro). Compared to the previous Movie Legends, he has better, more accurate detailing and proportions (or as accurate as can be obtained at this [[size class|price point]]).<br />
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:The [[:File:ROTF Legends Bumblebee HTS.jpg|second batch of stock photos of the toy]], which depict a [[prototype|(pre-)production sample]], show it in a much brighter shade of yellow plastic than it was released as. It's possible that this was simply the result of an excessive alteration of the hue settings during the digital enhancement of those photos, though.<br />
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: This mold was used as the basis for the non-toy character [[Saitama Prime]].<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/LegBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:ROTF-toy Legends ReconBumblebee.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Surely he will blend into the crowd with this look!]]<br />
*'''Recon Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2009)<br />
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:Recon Bumblebee is a redeco of the regular Legends-class Bumblebee, featuring new details such as different stripes, a pattern on his doors and an Autobot insignia on his hood.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/LegReconBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Recon Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:ROTF-toy BumblebeeStealthJDVD.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66| The [[Exclusive|special edition]], only available in [[Japan]], is LESS detailed?!]]<br />
*'''Stealth Bumblebee''' (Legends, December 2009)<br />
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:TakaraTomy's Stealth Bumblebee (ステルスバンブルビー) was available [[exclusive]]ly with standard ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' DVDs purchased at various stores in Japan. It uses the same paint layout as the normal ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Bumblebee, but with its colors inverted.<br />
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[[File:ROTFDVD Tsutaya clearBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Bumblepee]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee Clear Version''' (Legends, December 2009)<br />
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:Bumblebee Clear Version (バンブルビークリアＶｅｒ.) is made partly from translucent yellow plastic, but uses the same opaque black plastic and paint applications as the mass-retail Bumblebee. He is only available with ''Revenge of the Fallen'' DVDs purchased at Tsutaya stores in Japan, and only comes with the transforming Bumblebee DVD-case version.<br />
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[[File:ROTF-toy Legends StealthBumblebee.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Beezarro.]]<br />
*'''Stealth Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2010)<br />
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:Stealth Bumblebee is another redeco that inverts Bumblebee's colors, giving him yellow stripes on a black body. Unlike TakaraTomy's Stealth Bumblebee, however, it uses a new paint operation layout, different from the original ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Bumblebee.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/LegStealthBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Stealth Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:EZCollectionBumblebeeSpecialColor.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee Special Color''' (Legends, 2010)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''EZ-23'''<br />
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:Bumblebee Special Color (バンブルビー特別カラー, ''Bumblebee Tokubetsu Color'') was only available blindpacked as part of TakaraTomy's EZ Collection Vol. 3. It is cast in a metallic yellow-gold color. <br />
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[[File:ROTF-toy Legends 2packBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|More Legends Bumblebee! MORE!]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee vs Shadow Striker''' (Legends two-pack, 2010)<br />
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:The Bumblebee mold was given new paint applications for this two-pack with [[Shadow Striker (ROTF)|Shadow Striker]], such as [[cyberglyphics]] on his doors. The two-pack was exclusive to [[Target]] stores and eligible for the "[[N.E.S.T. Global Alliance]]" promotion.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/TargetLegBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on two-pack Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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===Deluxe Class toys===<br />
[[File:Bumblebeerotfpreviewtoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Yes, you're buying this mold again. Surprise!]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2009)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-03'''<br />
**''Accessories:'' Pulse Missile<br />
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:Released as part of a "preview" [[wave]] of the ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' Deluxe Class assortment alongside [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]], Bumblebee is a relatively major retool of the Camaro Concept Bumblebee mold, feature a new vehicle front end, hood and wheels to reflect the changes to the prop vehicle used in the movie; and in robot mode has a new, more accurate head sculpt.<br />
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:His right arm has also been replaced by an all-new sculpt which substitutes the hand and the hand-held converting plasma cannon/blade weapon from the previous version for a built-in plasma cannon with a spring-loaded firing gimmick for the included missile.<br />
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:The initial production run included a missile that was slightly too long for the slot inside the arm, so it either has to be slightly cut down to fit or the cannon must be swiveled outwards to accommodate the missile. This was fixed by a [[variant|running change]] that saw the missile slightly shortened, thus removing the problem.<ref name="missile1">[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/revenge-of-the-fallen/bumblebee/1757/ Seibertron.com gallery of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' "Preview" Bumblebee], depicting the early version with a slightly too long missile.</ref><ref name="missile2">[http://www.bwtf.com/toyreviews/rotf/deluxe/bumblebee/ BWTF review of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' "Preview" Bumblebee], depicting the later version with a missile that fits in without a problem.</ref><ref name="missile3">[http://snakas.web.fc2.com/09movie/ra03bumblebee.html Autobase Aichi gallery of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' "Preview" Bumblebee], featuring a comparison of both versions of the missile.</ref> The later, corrected version was also released in other markets such as Japan and Europe. Also, instead of having movie accurate gray colored "toe" sections on his feet like the later 2007 figures, his toes are ''painted'' yellow ...on top of yellow plastic. Oookay...<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/Bumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Deluxe Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:Transformers-rotf-2pack-prime-and-bee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I'm helping Daddy!]]<br />
*'''Optimus Prime & Bumblebee''' (Two-pack, 2009)<br />
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:An unchanged version of ''Movie'' Deluxe-Class "[[Premium Series]]" Bumblebee was released in a two-pack, alongside an unchanged version of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Voyager-Class [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#PrimeBee2Pack|Optimus Prime]]. This two-pack has been confirmed to have been released in Malaysia and was apparently also sold in Indonesia and India.<br />
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[[File:ROTFtoy-CannonBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|New from the ass up!]]<br />
*'''Cannon Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2009)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-14'''<br />
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:This heavy retool of Bumblebee changes the entire upper half of the robot mode, and thus half of the car, to newly designed parts (essentially, only the legs are recycled from ''Movie'' Concept Camaro Bumblebee and the previous ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Bumblebee; everything else is an entirely new sculpt), including more articulated arms with open palms, less obstructive vehicle [[kibble]], a differently transforming chest, and two flip-out (non-firing) missile launcher racks behind his head. Interestingly, his arms can be detached and easily popped onto the original mold, resulting in a more [[show-accuracy|show-accurate]] robot mode, though this sacrifices transformation. This extensive retooling results in a car interior with seats and a crude dashboard, but the windows are so opaque that these new details can't easily be seen. A [[variant]] with clear blue windows was released in later shipments.<ref name="cannonbee">[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/revenge-of-the-fallen/cannon-bumblebee/1855/2/92/ Comparison between both versions of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Cannon Bumblebee.]</ref><br />
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:His "heels" are assembled backwards, which keeps them from being folded up against the back of the shins. Disappointingly, his chest cannot deform like the previous releases of this mold (or his Fast Action Battler, which still has a deforming chest).<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/CannonBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Cannon Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:ROTF NEST Battle Pack Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Yeah, [[Fandom|we're]] going to get one of [[Redeco|these]] every few waves.]]<br />
*'''Alliance Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2009)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-27'''<br />
**''Accessories:'' Pulse Missile<br />
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:Alliance Bumblebee is a [[redeco]] of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Preview Bumblebee. He now has several black thick black stripes across the hood and roof, stripes and [[NEST]] logos across the doors and side fender panels. He also has black arms, legs and torso to match this new colour scheme, instead of the more accurate grey colours seen in the previous release and Cannon Bumblebee. The yellow shoulder pieces are now pinned in place.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/AllianceBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Alliance Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:ROTFtoy-BumblebeeNESTAlliance.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Blame it on kids... [[Walmart]]... [[Target]]... [[Hasbro]]... okay blame EVERYONE.]]<br />
*'''Battlefield Bumblebee Vs. Infiltration Soundwave NEST set''' (Deluxe 2-pack, 2009)<br />
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:A minor redeco and retool Cannon Bumblebee that replaces the head sculpt with the much smaller battle mask head previously used by Stealth Bumblebee and Premium Bumblebee from the 2007 movie line. The base plastic colors and matching paint colors are virtually identical to those of Cannon Bumblebee, as are the [[Paint operation|paint masks]] for the most part. Aside from the head, the only differences are different paint choices in the abdominal section (the license plate, the sculpted cylinders above the license plate and the crotch plate below the gas cap), the front sides of the shoulder cannons (painted black on Cannon Bumblebee, painted red on Battlefield Bumblebee) and a different size and placement for the [[tampograph]]ed Autobot [[insignia|logo]] (on the side of Cannon Bumblebee's left shoulder cannon panel, on the front end of Battlefield Bumblebee's vehicle mode hood/robot mode chest).<br />
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:Battlefield Bumblebee was only available in a two-pack with a redecoed [[Soundwave (ROTF)#Infiltration|Soundwave]], named "Infiltration Soundwave". The North American version of the two-pack also included a "Mission Guide" catalog and ordering form for the mail-in exclusive [[Ravage (ROTF)#ReconRavage|Recon Ravage]], a "starter sticker" for said ordering form, and a [[N.E.S.T. Global Alliance]] iron-on patch. Two additional stickers from specially-marked NEST Global Alliance products and $4.95 shipping are required for the promotion. International versions of the two-pack were only available without all these extras, while Recon Ravage was available in several other markets at a retailer exclusive.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/BattlefieldBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Battlefield Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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===Human Alliance===<br />
[[File:ROTF HumanAlliance Bumblebee&Sam.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|NOT a headmaster.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' / '''Sam Witwicky''' (Human Alliance, 2009)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-21'''<br />
**''Accessories:'' 2 Missiles<br />
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:Human Alliance Bumblebee comes with a posable figure of [[Sam Witwicky]] that can fit inside in Bumblebee's vehicle mode (plugging into his seat via a small hole in his back) and drive him. In robot mode, Bumblebee's vehicle-mode seats end up on his arms, and Sam can sit in either of them; the seat on Bumblebee's right has a headrest that can fold down to look slightly less conspicuous in robot mode, while the seat on Bumblebee's left arm features a pair of cannons which flip over Sam's shoulders, offering him some offensive hardware to protect his rather precarious position. These cannons can also be flipped down further to form some over-the-shoulder restraints. Sam can also stand on a platform that flips out from the small of Bumblebee's back (again, via peg-holes on his feet), manning a small non-firing cannon that flips out over Bumblebee's right shoulder. Finally, Bumblebee's left palm also contains a peg, meaning Sam can securely stand or sit in his big buddy's hand. Bumblebee himself features a spring-loaded cannon for his right arm, which can fire the two missiles the figure comes with, a flip-out double-barreled silver cannon that points over his head, and a functional flip-down battle mask. Much like the rest of his Human Alliance brethren, Bumblebee is roughly the same size as an ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' toy, being slightly taller than ''Alternators'' [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] in robot mode.<br />
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[[File:Human Alliance Bumblebee Prototype.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|left|Modders, vindicated by the prototype.]]<br />
:There is a significant [[misassembly]] issue with Bumblebee: according to TakaraTomy's images of the resin [[prototype]] as well as Bumblebee's CG design, the retail toy's legs are on the wrong sides of his body, so the details on his legs are inverted. Since the instructions reflect this assembly, it's possible that this was [[design change|done on purpose]] because with the toy in its originally intended assembly, the waist section could be rather difficult to transform for children. The toy's originally intended assembly can still be [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/radicons-customs/243649-human-alliance-bumblebee-leg-mod.html easily achieved by disassembling his crotch and reassembling the legs backwards.] Once this is complete, Bumblebee will look the way he was intended to look, while adding some minor extra steps during transformation.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/HABumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Human Alliance Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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===Ultimate===<br />
[[File:ROTF UltimateBumblebee.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb| Now available in expensive.]]<br />
*''' Ultimate Bumblebee Battle Charged''' (Ultimate, 2009)<br />
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:''Revenge of the Fallen's'' Ultimate Bumblebee is a retool of the 2007 version, with new rims, hood, front fenders. He also features a new, more accurate head sculpt with a battle mask. This time, his sound chip plays [[Stan Bush]]'s "[[The Touch]]".<br />
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===Fast Action Battlers===<br />
[[File:ROTF FAB Pulse Blast Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66| Faster and Actiony-er... you know, for the kids!]]<br />
*'''Pulse Blast Bumblebee''' (Fast Action Battler, 2009)<br />
**''Accessories:'' Plasma Bolt<br />
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:Pulse Blast Bumblebee is a retool of 2007's Plasma Punch Bumblebee, with updated vehicle mode parts to reflect the changes in the prop Camaro vehicle, along with a new, more accurate head sculpt. Like the 2007's Plasma Punch photo, stock photographs by Hasbro neglect to tilt the car front fender panels.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/FABBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Pulse Blast Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:ROTF FAB Sand Attack Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66| [[Anakin Skywalker|I hate sand... it's so coarse and rough]].]]<br />
*'''Sand Attack Bumblebee''' (Fast Action Battler, 2009)<br />
**''Accessories:'' Plasma Bolt<br />
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:Sand Attack Bumblebee is a redeco of Plasma Punch Bumblebee, not using the retooled parts of Pulse Blast Bumblebee. The deco itself consists of a sand-blasted-like camouflage pattern, or alternatively, a sand-worn appearance.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/FABSandAttackBumbleebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Sand Attack Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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===Gravity Bots===<br />
[[File:ROTF GravityBot Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66| The evolution of Jumpstarters!]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Gravity Bot, 2009)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''GB-02'''<br />
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:Plonk him down. Lift him up. Plonk him down. Lift him up. This addictive toy transforms automatically when stood up (vehicle to robot), or placed on his back (robot to vehicle). A switch underneath his feet or his car mode releases the transformation — so the toy can be played with in relatively stable modes if held in the air, or just rolling along the ground.<br />
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:Because gravity is the powering force in the transformation there's no motors to wear out or batteries to use up when playing with the toy. Which is good, because you will be transforming him no less than nine million times.<br />
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:Bumblebee features dumpy proportions and low movie accuracy (no door wings here), forced upon the toy to accommodate the [[Gravity Bot]]s transformation gimmick. His robot mode has no articulation, not even head. But at least he has big feet! Or legs... or whatever the heck they are. Stump? At least he has a big stump.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/GBBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Gravity Bots Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:ROTF GravityBots BoltBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Hasbro, once again showing their uncreativity.]]<br />
*'''Bolt Bumblebee''' (Gravity Bot, 2009)<br />
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: A [[redeco]] of Gravity Bots Bumblebee in a predominantly black colour scheme that recalls 2008's Stealth Bumblebee redeco of the Deluxe class Bumblebee toy.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/GBBoltBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Gravity Bots Bolt Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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===Battle Chargers===<br />
[[File:ROTF Battle Chargers Bumblebee.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|You know, you shouldn't think too hard about this.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Battle Charger, 2009)<br />
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:Part of the [[Robot Powered Machines]] subline, Battle Charger Bumblebee is a [[super-deformed]] Concept Camaro with a [[pull-back motor]]. When pulled back and let go, the car's roof flips open and Bumblebee's equally cutesified robot mode pops out.<br />
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[[File:ROTF BattleChargers StealthBumblebee.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Or this. Bumblebee giving birth to himself can wreck your mind.]]<br />
*'''Stealth Bumblebee''' (Battle Charger, 2009)<br />
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:A redeco of Battle Charger Bumblebee in yellow-on-black. Again.<br />
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===Power Bots===<br />
[[File:ROTF PowerBots Bumblebee.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Hello, I'm Bumblebee, and my shoulders hurt.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Power Bot, 2009)<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/PBBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Power Bots Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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===Robot Replicas===<br />
[[File:ROTF-toy RobotReplicas Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85| Bumblebee played around with [[Nucleon]] in high school.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Robot Replicas, 2009)<br />
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:''Revenge of the Fallen'' [[Robot Replicas|Robot Replica]] Bumblebee is an all-new sculpt with (arguably) better proportions and more sculpted detail than ''Movie'' Robot Replica Bumblebee. ("Arguably" because he has a tiny head.) Unlike ''Movie'' Robot Replica Bumblebee, he comes with a permanent cannon arm without a replacement hand arm. His [[license plate]] is also considerably smaller than that of ''Movie'' Robot Replica Bumblebee and features no detail aside from a red line evocative of a California license plate.<br />
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:Bizarrely, his chest still features detail from the front end of ''Movie'' Bumblebee's Concept (standard model) Camaro [[alternate mode]] (notably the fog lights) as compared to the ZL1 model's front end used for most ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Bumblebee toys.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/RRBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Robot Replicas Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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==Transformers (2010)==<br />
===Legends Class toys===<br />
[[File:TF2010-toy Legends Cyberfire Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66| Impulse Buying Evolved.]]<br />
*'''Cyberfire Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2010)<br />
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: This redeco of Legends class ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Bumblebee features a paint deco inspired by ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]].<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/CyberfireBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Cyberfire Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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===Deluxe Class toys===<br />
[[File:TF2010-toy Deluxe Battle Blade Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66| About freaking time, Hasbro.]]<br />
*'''Battle Blade Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2010)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''AA-02'''<br />
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:This entirely new Deluxe Class Bumblebee figure for the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' toy line]] features a much more accurate and articulated sculpt in robot mode compared to previous versions of Deluxe class Camaro Concept Bumblebee, with the transformation scheme taking many cues from ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Human Alliance Bumblebee, scaled down to Deluxe size, while using an [[Automorph Technology|Automorph]] design for the leg transformation directly based on the original Deluxe Class Concept Camaro Bumblebee. Despite the very similar looks, Battle Blade Bumblebee uses no parts from previous toys; everything about him is an entirely new sculpt.<br />
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:His right hand can be switched out for his cannon by opening the arm guard, flipping out the cannon barrel, folding away the right hand and folding the cannon over to the wrist. Due to how the parts were distributed on the plastic sprues during production, the cannon barrel is yellow rather than grey. The left arm-guard has a flip-out axe made of translucent blue plastic, representing the axe weapon Bumblebee uses in the [[Revenge of the Fallen (video games)|''Revenge of the Fallen'' video games]], which itself may have been based upon the electrical [[Stinger (weapon)|stinger]] that was once considered as a melee weapon for Bumblebee in the first movie. The axe is spring-loaded, activated by a button on his arm-guard. This version of Movie Bumblebee also features a flip-down battle mask, very similar to Human Alliance Bumblebee. In other words, pure premium awesome-sauce.<br />
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:His head has a tendency to pop off during transformation. The space at the front of the collar would give him ''just'' enough clearance to pass his head through... if it were not for the small plastic flap (the one with the [[Autobot]] symbol) on his chest, which tends to push and squeeze the head out enough that the tension causes the head to pop and fly out from his ball-jointed neck.<br />
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:Stock photos show that the axe was originally made in such a way that the blade was mounted on a rod and could be rotated downwards, but this was changed entirely for unknown reasons (possibly fragility). As a result, the blade is mounted upside-down.<br />
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:The Japanese ''Autobot Alliance'' release features marginally darker yellow plastic and paint.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/BattleBladeBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Battle Blade Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:Transformers2010 Deluxe SpecialEditionBattleBladesBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Bitchin' Camaro.]]<br />
*'''Special Edition Battle Blade Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2010)<br />
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:As part of their "Transformers 'Fan of the Year' Competition" at the Animation-Comic-Game Hong Kong (ACGHK) material-entertainment fair 2010, Hasbro Hong Kong offered a one-of-a-kind [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] Battle Blade Bumblebee for whomever happened to spend the most money purchasing Transformers products at Hasbro's booth over the course of the fair. The figure is presented in a wood and perspex display case.<br />
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[[File:TargetCrashLandingAttackBumblebeeThrust.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Bumblebee walks down to Electric Avenue, then takes Thrust lower.]]<br />
*'''Crash Landing Attack''' (Target exclusive 2-pack, 2010)<br />
**''Accessories:'' Pulse Missile<br />
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:A [[redeco]] of the first ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Deluxe class Bumblebee, this version is fluorescent yellow and blue, possibly as an [[homage]] to ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Bumblebee]]'s colors in the old [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|comics]] by [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] (due to the limited color palette [[Nelson Yomtov]] was working with). The car doors and hood feature a new deco of overlaid black and silver streaks, as well as a solid black stripe down the middle with a large silver Autobot symbol at the front. It is packaged with a redeco of [[Thrust (ROTF)|Thrust]]. <br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/TargetBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Crash Landing Attack Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:WMBombRunBattleBumblebeeGrindor.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Hasbro, you tease. Give us a [[Wasp]]!]]<br />
*'''Bombing Run Battle''' (Walmart Exclusive 2-pack, 2010)<br />
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:A redeco of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Cannon Bumblebee in a brighter yellow with dark pine green replacing the former toy's metallic teal. The windows are cast in transparent green plastic with green trim and the outsides of his arms are also painted green. Additionally, there is a green stripe running across and between the fenders on each side with green accents on the face and helmet as well. The face has been painted silver and lacks the pupils of the previous deco. His thumbs are now black and the tailpipes have been painted gunmetal. The tiny Autobot symbol by the driver's side door has been replaced with a larger white one on the right rear window. He came packaged with a Legends [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]] redeco. <br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/WMBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Bombing Run Battle Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:TF2010toy-RampageAmongtheRuinsStock.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]<br />
*'''Rampage Among The Ruins''' (Toys "R" Us Exclusive 3-pack, 2010)<br />
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:Essentially a redeco of "Bombing Run Battle" Bumblebee (using the same shade of yellow plastic) but using the head of the [[#VsSoundwave|Battlefield Bumblebee]]. All of the green parts have been replaced with a chocolate brown (including the tires), with brown stripes over his eyes which run across the top of his battle helmet. The thumbs and insides of his upper arms are also painted brown. The windows are clear and untinted. He has a brown "wash" over his lower arms and on his doors to simulate caked on dirt or mud. There are also silver "scratches" on both doors as well as the driver's side of the hood. He has a tiny black-on-white Autobot symbol on his lower abdomen. Unlike previous versions of this mold, the rear lights, tailpipes, and lower front headlights are unpainted. <br />
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:He was packaged with redecoes of [[Rampage (ROTF)#Deluxe Class toys 2|Rampage]] and [[Ravage (ROTF)#RampageAmongTheRuins|Ravage]] and available exclusively at Toys "R" Us stores.<br />
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===Human Alliance===<br />
[[File:TF2010 Human Alliance Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66| The Evolution of Repacking!]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee w/ Sam Witwicky''' (Human Alliance, 2010)<br />
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles<br />
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: A slight redeco of the first Human Alliance Bumblebee in new gold ''Transformers'' packaging. Bumblebee now has green eyes while Sam is a new mold with a white shirt and a teeny tiny head.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/HABumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on 2010 Human Alliance Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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===Battle Ops===<br />
[[File:Battle Ops bumblebee both.JPEG|thumb|upright=1.66| When Bumblebee has a toy as tall as [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Prime]]... things are getting bad.]]<br />
*'''Battle Ops Bumblebee''' (2010)<br />
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:Battle Ops Bumblebee is a large (roughly leader size) new mold with "guardian" and "warrior" robot modes, which changes weapons and sound effects. He has a flip down battle mask, a right arm that converts to a plasma cannon, and two non-firing light-up shoulder/hood missile launchers. His non-cannon hand has some articulation, but is tightly jointed.<br />
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:As revealed at the Hasbro designers panel at [[BotCon 2010]], an easter egg is hidden in Battle Ops Bumblebee's electronics: when in vehicle mode, pressing down on the front left end of the vehicle (or pushing the front left wheel up) thrice will play the first verse of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original ''Transformers'']] [[theme song]], and three subsequent presses will play the second verse. Unfortunately, it only repeats the first two verses.<br />
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[[File:TF2010 BattleOps Bumblebee Costco.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Oh dear, it's getting worse.'']]<br />
*'''Battle Ops Bumblebee''' (2010)<br />
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:A [[Costco]]-[[exclusive]] [[redeco]] of the Bumblebee figure above, this release is advertised as having a "Limited Edition metallic finish!", being cast in gray plastic and painted over in metallic gold, and with his hand being cast in colorless clear plastic, making him very similar to his ''Masterpiece'' figure. Additionally, the tip of his cannon is [[Vacuum metallizing|chromed]]. He comes with two "Great Value" toys: an unchanged Legends-Class [[Mudflap (ROTF)#BattleOpsCostco|Mudflap]] figure and a "Premium" vacuum-metallized gold redeco of Bumblebee's own ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends-Class figure.<br />
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:Canada received both English and French versions of this release - bizarrely, the French release is available in places outside Quebec such as Vancouver and even Alberta.<br />
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===Activators===<br />
[[File:TF2010-toy Activators Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66| Expect repaints... LOTS of repaints.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Activator, 2010)<br />
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:''[[Activators]]'' Bumblebee is a small and simple toy with cutesified proportions. By pressing a button on his vehicle mode roof, he [[autotransformation|autotransforms]] into robot mode.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/ActBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Activators Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:TF2010-toy RallyRumbleBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|'''Many''' redecoes.]]<br />
*'''Rally Rumble Bumblebee''' (Activator, 2010)<br />
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:A redeco of ''Activators'' Bumblebee with a black hood and rally-themed markings. His yellow plastic is distinctly... ''yellower'' than his usual orangey yellow color.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/ActRRBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Rally Rumble Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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===Power Bots===<br />
[[File:TF2010-toy PowerBots StealthBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1| Can't we get a Cliffjumper for once [[Hasbro]]?]]<br />
*'''Stealth Bumblebee''' (Power Bot, 2010)<br />
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:A redeco of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Power Bots Bumblebee in his recurring black "stealth" color scheme. It remains to be seen if his lights or sounds have been changed.<br />
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==Masterpiece==<br />
[[File:Masterpiece Movie Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MPM-2'''<br />
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:''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece: Movie Series]]'' Bumblebee is a redeco of Battle Ops Bumblebee. Unlike the Hasbro version, he features a very extensive paint job, including chromed rims, and features no yellow plastic despite his appearance. Instead, all of his yellow parts are painted over gray plastic to make it as [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] as possible. Among other notable plastic color changes, the [[TakaraTomy]] version features a clear colorless right hand (instead of translucent blue).<br />
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==Dark of the Moon==<br />
===Cyberverse===<br />
[[File:DOTM CyberverseLegion Bumblebee toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|He doesn't have gorilla arms now!]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Cyberverse Legion, 2011)<br />
**''Series / Number:'' '''1 / 001'''<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''CV08'''<br />
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:Part of the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' [[Cyberverse]] Legion Class toys, Bumblebee is an all-new mold that takes basic design cues from the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class Bumblebee, but generally improves upon them by being more accurate in robot mode. His right hand is sculpted as his Plasma Cannon, while his left hand has the ability to hold onto Cyberverse [[C joint|3mm post]] weapons and interact with Cyberverse playsets.<br />
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:The final toy differs from promotional photos by being cast in a different color of plastic similar to previous releases of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' [[Legends Class]] sculpt, while the promotional photos depict him in a lighter hue of yellow. Amusingly, this has already happened before and in almost the exact same way. History tends to repeat itself, folks.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/LegBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Cyberverse Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:DOTM CyberverseActionSet Bumblebee toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Bumblebee is a weapons junkie now? This is insane!]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee Mobile Battle Bunker''' (Cyberverse Action Set, 2011)<br />
**''Series / Number:'' '''1 / 001'''<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''CV02'''<br />
**''Accessories:'' [[jet pack]], turret, [[missile]], backdrop<br />
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:Part of the first wave of ''Dark of the Moon'' Cyberverse Action Sets, this slightly redecoed version of DOTM Cyberverse Legion Class Bumblebee cast in a non-metallic, more orange-ish shade of yellow plastic, now with NEST markings on his doors and nothing in particular on his roof. Bumblebee comes in a set with the [[Mobile Battle Bunker]], as well as a jetpack with hinged wings which can clip onto Bumblebee's back in robot mode.<br />
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:Like the other action sets, this set's packaging includes a cardboard display backdrop. This time, it is of [[:File:Explosionfactory.jpg|an industrial area]], with a power plant of some sort in the background, with storage tanks to the sides. Oh, and there's fire and explosions ''everywhere''.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/MBBBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Mobile Battle Bunker Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:DOTMCyberverseBumblebeeStarscreamPack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Since when were hatchbacks "ancient Cybertronian war vehicles"?]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee / Starscream''' (Cyberverse 4-pack, 2011)<br />
**''Accessories:'' Two-piece rifle<br />
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:[[Exclusive]] to [[Toys"R"Us]]'s Mission Earth series, this four pack contains two Bumblebee and two Starscream Cyberverse Legion toys. Cybertronian Bumblebee is a redeco of ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Legends Class]] [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Bumblebee]], done up in live-action movie Bumblebee-style colors, while the other Bumblebee is a paint-heavy redeco of Bolt Bumblebee (see below), partially cast in translucent plastic and painted with a grid pattern to simulate a [[trans-scan]] effect. This Bumblebee also comes with a redecoed version of ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' [[Skywarp (MW)|Skywarp]]'s [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Machine Wars|gun]], which can be held in his newly retooled right hand. (This weapon is also depicted on Starscream's side of the instructions, confusing matters of ownership a bit.)<br />
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:The Bumblebees come packed with a [[retool]] of [[Movie (toyline)|''Transformers'']] Legends Class [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#BeeStarscream|Starscream]] and a redeco of ''Legends of [[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]].<br />
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:An early name for this set was "Cyberverse Evolution", which is still used by some websites (including the Australian and United Kingdom Toys"R"Us sites), but that name does not appear anywhere on the packaging.<br />
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:The [[stock photography|stock photo]] used for the [[packaging]] (which depicts a hand-painted prototype) shows him lacking the retooled hand. The other stock photo (see the image to the right), which depicts a pre-production sample, does show the retooled hand, but has the weapon's handle plugged into a conveniently fitting slot on his ''other'' arm for whatever reason.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/TRULegBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Mission Earth Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/TRUCybBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Mission Earth Cybertronian Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:DOTMCyberverseBumblebeeVsSoundwaveWRod.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee / Soundwave''' with '''Rodimus''' (Cyberverse 3-pack, 2011)<br />
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:Available exclusively at [[Walmart]] in a three pack with [[Soundwave (ROTF)#Cyberverse|Soundwave]] and [[Rodimus (DOTM)|Rodimus]], this gold and silver Cyberverse Bumblebee is a redeco of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends class Bumblebee, and lacks the newly tooled hand of the Target-exclusive Cyberverse Bumblebee and 011 Bumblebee (see below).<br />
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:This three-pack was also available as an Asda exclusive in the United Kingdom and from Rossmann stores in Germany and Auchan stores in Hungary and Italy. Of note is that the [[multilingual packaging|European packaging]] does ''not'' market Rodimus as a "bonus figure" (presumably so stores can charge full price for three toys), and his window lacks the yellow edges highlighting him as a special feature, despite still being separated from Bumblebee and Soundwave, who share a common window like in the US version. Despite this, Rodimus still doesn't get a mention on the back of the packaging, which only features a one-sentence "bio" about Bumblebee planning to bring down Soundwave in twelve different languages.<br />
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:All versions of the packaging also lack any logos that label the toys as Cyberverse products.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/WMLegBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on three-pack Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:DOTM CyberverseLegion BoltBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I don't know ''who'' keyed me, but I'll find them. Oh yes.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee'''/'''Bolt Bumblebee''' (Cyberverse Legion, 2011)<br />
**''Series / Number:'' '''1 / 011'''<br />
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:Part of the second wave of ''Dark of the Moon'' Cyberverse Legion Class toys, (Bolt) Bumblebee is a retool of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends class Bumblebee with a new right hand that enables him to hold Cyberverse accessories and interact with Cyberverse playsets.<br />
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:Whereas the [[stock photography|stock photos]] depicted on the back of his packaging (which feature a hand-painted [[prototype]]) correctly show him with only a Cyberverse-compatible right hand and an unchanged left hand, the other set of stock photos (which feature a pre-production sample) depicts him with ''two'' retooled hands. Whereas the version with the new right hand was redecoed for several store-exclusive multi-packs, no version available in stores has featured the new ''left'' hand thus far.<br />
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:Although the toy is listed as "Bolt Bumblebee" on the official Hasbro website, the United States version and early releases of the [[multilingual packaging|European version]] simply use the name "Bumblebee" everywhere on the packaging, and the "Bolt" prefix was apparently only added as a [[variant|running change]] for later shipments of the European version.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/LegBoltBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Bolt Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:DOTM Cyberverse Target BumblebeeVsMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee vs Megatron''' (Cyberverse 2-pack, 2011)<br />
**''Accessories:'' Two-piece blaster<br />
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:Exclusive to [[Target]], this Cyberverse Bumblebee is a redeco of Bolt Bumblebee. His right new hand enables him to hold his accompanying blaster (which originates from [[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]] [[Prowl (G1)/toys|Prowl]]/[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]]). Bumblebee comes packed with a [[Motormaster (G1)|Generation 1 Motormaster]]-inspired redeco of Cyberverse Commander [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#TargetCyberverseVs|Megatron]].<br />
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:The [[stock photography|stock photo]] on the back of the [[packaging]] shows him as mirrored, and thus depicts him with a retooled ''left'' hand, as well as flipped connecting pegs on his legs.<br />
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[[File:DOTMTVKunBumblebeeCyberverseVersion.jpg|thumb]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee Cyberverse Version''' (''TV-Kun'' magazine exclusive Cyberverse variant, September 2011)<br />
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:Bundled exclusively with the September 2011 edition of ''TV-Kun'' magazine, the redundantly-named "Bumblebee Cyberverse Version" is a translucent yellow and opaque black redeco of Bolt Bumblebee. Possessing minimal paint operations, the toy instead includes a sticker-sheet for the stripes, window tinting, and Autobot symbol.<br />
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[[File:DOTM Cyberverse Legion StealthBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|When attending formal events, it is important to inspect one's attire and see if everything is tidy and comfortable, and to make certain that nothing has been forgotten... such as one's trousers.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee'''/'''Stealth Bumblebee''' (Cyberverse Legion, 2011)<br />
**''Series / Number:'' '''1 / 015'''<br />
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:Part of the third wave of ''Dark of the Moon'' Cyberverse Legion Class toys, this toy is a [[black repaint|black]] redeco of his ''Dark of the Moon'' mold. His deco consists of the first two-thirds of his vehicle being cast in black, with painted yellow stripes on the hood and sides, and the rear third of his vehicle being an unpainted metallic yellow, giving the appearance of the stripes extending out from the back. His headlights and most of his windshields are painted a metallic blue, his crotch is painted silver, and he has a gold Autobot insignia on the tip of his hood.<br />
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:The yellow paint operations on the black plastic parts and the shade of yellow used for the unpainted yellow plastic parts clash so much that even [[Ben Yee]], who is usually ''very'' generous with his toy reviews, rated this redeco as sub-par.<ref name="stealthyee">[http://www.bwtf.com/toyreviews/dotm/legion/bumblebee-black/ BWTF review of ''Cyberverse'' Legion Class "Black" Bumblebee]</ref><br />
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:While this toy is listed as Stealth Bumblebee on the Hasbro website and named as such on the [[multilingual packaging|European packaging]], the "Stealth" prefix did not appear on the American packaging for some time. A [[variant|running change]] remedied this, adding the prefix to the American packaging in later runs.<br />
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[[File:TRUCybertronianWarriors4Pack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|My folks drove it up here from the Bahamas.]]<br />
*'''Cybertronian Warriors Pack''' (Cyberverse multi-pack, 2011)<br />
**''Accessories:'' jetpack, turret, missile<br />
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: Commemorating a hilarious and probably very expensive moment of stupidity on the ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'' set wherein a [[Wikipedia: Metropolitan Police Department|Metropolitan Police Department]] SUV was hit by a Bumblebee stunt car during filming, Bumblebee is a [[redeco]] of his Action Set toy (which uses his first ''Dark of the Moon'' Legion-Class figure) and is painted to hilariously have damage in the front of his vehicle mode. His [[Mobile Battle Bunker#CybertronianWarriors|Mobile Battle Bunker]] has been redecoed to be gray and had the jetpack slightly retooled.<br />
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: He was packaged in a Toys"R"Us-exclusive multi-pack with redecoed versions of [[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#CybertronianWarriors|Ironhide]], [[Crankcase (DOTM)#CybertronianWarriors|Crankcase]] (in a deco based on the aforementioned police SUV), and [[Barricade (Movie)/toys#CybertronianWarriors|Barricade]]. With matching paint jobs (the dark grayish black and bronze are near perfect matches), it appears as if the Bunker was intended to go with the included Ironhide more so than the included Bumblebee.<br />
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[[File:DOTMUGCVLBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|You forgot your pants again, 'Bee.]]<br />
*'''Ultimate Gift Set''' (Cyberverse multi-pack, 2011)<br />
: Yet another "stealth"-themed redeco of his ''Dark of the Moon'' mold.<br />
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: He comes in a Walmart-exclusive 5-pack with redecos of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Ultimategift|Optimus Prime]], [[Powerglide (DOTM)#Ultimategift|Powerglide]], [[Sideswipe (Movie)#Ultimategift|Sideswipe]], and [[Crowbar#Ultimategift|Crowbar]].<br />
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===Deluxe Class toys===<br />
For his 3rd film appearance, Bumblebee recieved AN ENORMOUS amount of Deluxes. He was blamed and [[Ruined FOREVER|accused]] by fans for being responsible for characters such as [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]] being cancelled in the US.<br />
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[[File:DOTM MechtechDeluxe Bumblebee toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Well, his Attacktix toy got cancelled. He's gotta have ''something.'']]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2011)<br />
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Blaster/[[Plasma cannon|Plasma Cannon]]<br />
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:Part of the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' Deluxe Class figures, Bumblebee is an entirely new figure that resembles in many ways the 2010 toyline Battle Blade Bumblebee. In addition to the cosmetic changes made to the vehicle mode and robot mode to resemble the third movie's altered visual design, this Bumblebee also comes with a [[MechTech]] weapon. When a lever is pulled back on the "Blaster" weapon, it opens up into a larger "Plasma Cannon", but it springs back into its original position once the lever is left alone. The MechTech weapon can be held in his hands, attach via [[5mm post|5mm pegholes]]/MechTech ports on his forearms, or plug in a "concealed" 5mm peghole on the vehicle mode's roof. Two extraneous 5mm peg holes are also located on his vehicle mode hood flap, and can be flipped up and used in robot mode to shoulder-mount weapons beside his head. Additionally, [[C joint]] bars are sculpted into Bumblebee's forearms.<br />
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:Bumblebee can form a semi-Stealth Force configuration by lifting up the rear half of his roof, exposing concealed cannons sculpted in translucent blue plastic. Also of note in vehicle mode is the sculpted Camaro SS badging near the doors, which doesn't appear on any other ''Dark of the Moon'' Bumblebee toy or the prop vehicles used for filming.<br />
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:Just like his CG robot model, his [[package art]] depicts his racing stripes being pinstripe-bordered despite his toy no longer having it. Whoops. <br />
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[[File:DOTM MechTechDeluxe Bumblebee MechtechHolder.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Let's be honest, that card holder didn't persuade anyone outside of Japan to buy this.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' & '''MechTech Holder''' (MechTech Deluxe, [[May 14]], 2011)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA05'''<br />
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Blaster/Plasma Cannon<br />
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:The Japanese release of ''Dark of the Moon'' Bumblebee is packed with a "MechTech Holder", a device for storing the [[MechTech Wars]] collectible cards included with every Japanese ''Dark Side Moon'' mainline toy. Both Bumblebee and the MechTech Holder are packed into a Voyager class-sized box, with an accompanying increase in retail price. Obviously, he comes with his own MechTech Wars character card and transparent MechTech weapon card.<br />
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[[File:DOTM MechTechDeluxe LuckyDraw SilverBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]<br />
*'''Silver Bumblebee''' (MechTech Deluxe, [[May 13]]-[[May 14]], 2011)<br />
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Blaster/Plasma Cannon<br />
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:Also known as Special Edition Bumblebee, this is a silver [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] version of ''Dark of the Moon'' MechTech Deluxe Bumblebee, presented in a perspex case.<br />
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:These toys were available as the [[Lucky Draw figure|Lucky Draw]] prize for the ''Transformers'' Midnight Madness event at major [[Toys"R"Us]] stores in mainland [[China]], Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, Malaysia and Thailand between May 13 and May 14, 2011. One was also offered as a raffle prize, along with two [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Supreme Class toys|Jetwing Optimus Prime]] and two [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Ultimate|Ultimate Optimus Prime]] toys, on the final ''Dark of the Moon'' toy launch event in Robinson's Galleria in the Philippines between July 9 and 10.<br />
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[[File:DOTM MechTechDeluxe NitroBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Bumblebee's attempt to join the Wreckers.]]<br />
*'''Nitro Bumblebee''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2011)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA18'''<br />
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Cybertronian Boost Engine/Plasma Cannon<br />
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:Nitro Bumblebee is an all-new mold, featuring booster engines, armour plating and other Stealth Force-like design elements sculpted onto the vehicle mode. He transforms rather differently to most of the other Deluxe class Bumblebee molds, with much of the entire front of the car being articulated chest pieces rather than the usual front fenders separating from the rest of the chest. Also of note are his legs, which are considerably different in appearance and transformation to the standard set by the 2007 ''Transformers'' Deluxe class (Camaro Concept) Bumblebee, with the rear wheels ending up inside of his ankle. Like the Leader Class toy, he features sculpted (but unpainted) "900 STRA" [[license plate]]s in both modes, making it the first time the license plate used for the car props from all three movies is used for a Deluxe Class toy.<br />
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:He comes with a MechTech Boost Engine, which converts into a Plasma Cannon when the lever is pulled, and although it is similar in function and appearance to [[Skids (ROTF)#Deluxe Class toys 3|Skids]]'s MechTech blaster, it is in actuality an entirely new mold. He features five MechTech ports in vehicle mode: one on the hood, two of the roof and two behind his rear wheels. In robot mode, both of his arms have one MechTech port each, and the ports from vehicle mode can still be used.<br />
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[[File:DOTM Deluxe Walmart Bumblebee toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Man, I've got about as much fanwank on me as your average episode of [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]].]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2011)<br />
**''Accessories:'' Plasma Cannon<br />
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:This [[Walmart]]-[[exclusive]] Bumblebee (also sold at Sainsbury's stores in the United Kingdom) is a redeco of the [[Movie (toyline)|2007 ''Transformers'']] Deluxe Class Concept Camaro Bumblebee, with the standard production model Chevrolet Camaro front end as compared to the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' ZL1 version, both hands and the hand-held [[plasma cannon]]/energy blade weapon. However, he ''does'' have the retooled shoulder panels that are held in place with screws (first introduced with ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Alliance Bumblebee). <br />
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:Bumblebee features many different ''Transformers'' [[insignia]]s from across different continuities, namely; [[:File:Ancient Autobot Symbol.png|Generation 1 Prehistory Autobot]], [[:File:Minicon symbol.png|Armada Mini-Con]], [[:File:Sumdac Systems.PNG|Animated Sumdac Systems]], [[:File:Playschool Go-Bots G.png|Playschool Go-Bot]], [[S.T.A.R.S.]], "FLY [[Omega Supreme (disambiguation)|Ω SUPREME]]", [[G.B. Blackrock|"Black Rock"]], [[Maccadam's Old Oil House|"Maccadam's"]], [[:File:Dinobots symbol.png|the Beast Machines Dinobots Symbol]], and the number [[1984|84]], all in addition to his live-action movie Autobot insignia.<br />
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:The [[stock photography|stock photos]] on the back of his packaging are quite strange, depicting a significantly different deco, with the primary color for his vehicle mode gradually fading from yellow to red towards the bottom, and parts of his abdomen sporting the same red color. In addition, his handheld weapon's blade sports a clear blue color. The final toy, by contrast, features no red at all, and his blade is cast in clear black plastic. Furthermore, the stock photos depict his eyes as bright blue, whereas the final toy's eyes are painted black. On top of that, the stock photos contradict ''each other'', with the photo of his robot mode depicting clear blue windows, whereas the photo of his vehicle mode depicts opaque ''black'' windows.<br />
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[[File:DOTM AutobotDaredevilSquad toys.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|For having a [[Tech Spec|Courage stat]] of ten, he sure is yellow on the inside.]]<br />
*'''Autobot Daredevil Squad''' (Multi-pack, 2011)<br />
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:Exclusive to [[Kmart]] stores in the USA (and to [[Canadian Tire]] stores in Canada), the Autobot Daredevil Squad Bumblebee is another redeco of Cannon Bumblebee as part of, for some reason, the [[Human Alliance]] play pattern. The packaging puts emphasis on Backfire's "handheld cannon" mode, which this particular Bumblebee isn't really designed to hold.<br />
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:He comes packaged with a [[repaint]] of Human Alliance [[Sam Witwicky#Daredevil|Sam Witwicky]], a redeco of [[Backfire (TF 2010)#Daredevil|Backfire]], and an Autobot Alliance patch.<br />
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[[File:DOTM Deluxe Target Clear Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Whatever happens in Vegas, stays on Photobucket.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2011)<br />
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:Released as part of [[Target]]'s exclusive range of Deluxe class redecos, this version of Cannon Bumblebee has had all of his yellow plastic cast in a translucent yellow, and is covered in opaque yellow [[Cyberglyphics]].<br />
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:As with the other [[Target]] [[exclusive]] "Cyberglyph" redecos ([[Space Case (DOTM)#Dark of the Moon|Space Case]], [[Arcee (Movie)#Cyberglyph|Bumblebee]] and [[Jazz (Movie)#Dark of the Moon|Autobot Jazz]]), he comes with a comic book by [[IDW Publishing]], ''[[Transformers: Bumblebee]]''.<br />
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: He was also made available in Canada as a Zellers exclusive, in New Zealand as a Farmers exclusive (both in English-only US-style packaging minus the "only at Target" sticker), in the United Kingdom as a Tesco exclusive, and in Germany as a Müller exclusive (both in typical [[multilingual packaging|multilingual European packaging]] including a multilingual comic).<br />
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:His [[package art]] has the same error as his first Dark of the Moon Deluxe figure, namely his racing stripes being depicted as pinstripe-bordered despite this toy lacking it. Whoops again.<br />
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[[File:DOTM MechTechDeluxe CyberfireBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|[[Ghost Rider|VENGEANCE!]]]]<br />
*'''Cyberfire Bumblebee''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2011)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' <br />
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Blaster/Plasma Cannon<br />
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:A redeco of ''Dark of the Moon'' Deluxe-class Bumblebee, he is now black with yellow detailing and features electricity patterns on his car body. His clear parts are now a reddish orange. His blaster is unchanged.<br />
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:Interestingly, while his [[package art]] correctly depicts his deco applied to his body, (complete with his evil-looking red-orange eyes) the deco seems to be incorrectly applied to his ''Nitro Bumblebee'' head.<br />
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[[File:DOTM Deluxe Scan Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Seen here mere moments before turning completely into stone.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2011)<br />
**''Accessories:'' Pulse Missile<br />
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:This redeco of Deluxe class ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Bumblebee is [[exclusive]] to [[Toys"R"Us]]' Mission Earth: The Scan Series, to represent him [[trans-scan]]ning his vehicle mode. As such, nearly all of his vehicle mode parts (and thus, most of his robot mode) are cast in translucent clear plastic, with the rear of his vehicle mode being left unpainted, the middle having painted scan lines, and the front having a heavy amount of [[paint operation]]s in order to cover the clear plastic.<br />
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[[File:DOTM Deluxe LuckyDraw TritaniumBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|This is awarded for first place in the "Who Has The Most Bumblebees" contest.]]<br />
*'''Tritanium Bumblebee''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2011)<br />
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Blaster/Plasma Cannon<br />
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:This gold [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] version of MechTech Deluxe Class ''Dark of the Moon'' Bumblebee was Prize A in [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''Dark of the Moon'' [[Lucky Draw figure|Lucky Draw]] campaign. The campaign began on [[May 14]] 2011, and one could have entered by entering two barcode numbers from MechTech character cards (packed with Japanese ''Dark of the Moon'' figures) into the TakaraTomy ''Transformers'' website. This toy was limited to 10 pieces. <br />
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[[File:DOTMDXBumblebeeStreetsideBotBrawl.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|WHEN I KILLED YOUR BROTHER, I LOOKED JUST. LIKE. THIIIIIIS!]]<br />
*'''Streetside Bot Brawl''' (Multi-pack, 2011)<br />
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Blaster/Plasma Cannon<br />
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:Part of the [[Toys"R"Us]]-exclusive "Streetside Bot Brawl" three-pack, this battle-damaged redeco of the initial ''Dark of the Moon'' Bumblebee toy was sold with a grey and purple redeco of ''Dark of the Moon'' Voyager-Class [[Shockwave (Movie)#StreetsideBotBrawl|Shockwave]] and a battle-damaged redeco of ''Dark of the Moon'' Voyager-Class [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#StreetsideBotBrawl|Optimus Prime]]. He now comes with a redeco of [[Skids (ROTF)#Deluxe Class toys 3|Skids]]'s MechTech Blaster, which converts into a double-barreled Plasma Cannon when the scope is pulled.<br />
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: His weapon was also redecoed into the weapon of [[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#SpecialistRatchet|Specialist Ratchet]].<br />
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:This version of deluxe Bumblebee has been found as a single packed figure in Toys"R"Us (possibly only in the UK at the time of writing) with his original Mechtech weapon. The packaging is identical to the wave 1 release.<br />
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*'''Leader Class Sentinel Prime and Bonus Value Deluxe Class Nitro Bumblebee''' (Two-pack, 2011?)<br />
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Cybertronian Boost Engine/Plasma Cannon<br />
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: As the name implies, this Walmart-exclusive [[giftset]] would have contained a ''Dark of the Moon'' Deluxe Class [[#NitroBee|Nitro Bumblebee figure]] and a ''Dark of the Moon'' Leader Class [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)#LeaderSentinelDeluxeNitroBee|Sentinel Prime figure]]. They would have been unchanged from their individual releases. The existence of this unreleased set was revealed by an eBay auction after the DOTM toyline was effectively over.<br />
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[[File:DOTMNeoScanningBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I probably had a few more international customers than the guy with the card dispenser, but not many.]]<br />
*'''Neo-Scanning Bumblebee''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2011)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' <br />
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Blaster/Plasma Cannon<br />
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:A redeco of ''Dark of the Moon'' Deluxe-class Bumblebee, Neo-Scanning Bumblebee (ネオスキャニング バンブルビー) is a bright yellow and metallic grey Japanese-market exclusive. Initially made available for sale at [http://www.e-hobbymagazine.com/english/eren/2785.html the 42nd Tokyo Motor Show], it was later released to mass retail across Japan.<br />
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===Leader Class toys===<br />
[[File:DOTM MechtechLeader Bumblebee toy.jpg|thumb|upright=2.8|Bulky Bumblebeef over here may not show it, but his back hurts. ''SO MUCH.'']]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (MechTech Leader, 2011)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA01'''<br />
**''Accessories:'' MechTech backpack<br />
: An all new mold, this version of Bumblebee is smaller than his previous Leader-sized incarnations and, ''technically'', is his first Leader-class toy. Along with the update to his Dark of the Moon form, this is also the first toy to feature a (sculpted) "900 STRA" [[license plate]] (the one used for the prop cars for all three movies). Being different in proportions to his other toys, this Bumblebee seems to have inspired his later "[[#NitroBee|Nitro Bumblebee]]" toy, having a much bulkier torso and smaller arms, with the entire hood pieces being deformed into his chest.<br />
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: The main gimmick is that he comes with a massive MechTech backpack, which hooks onto his back window/back, and is the sole electronic component of the toy. It resembles a [[jet pack|jet-pack]], and features missile pods and a cannon, all of which emit lights and sounds when pressed, and can be positioned for either robot or vehicle mode. Pressing the missile pod housings will emit orange lights and play the sound of a barrage of missiles being launched, while pressing the cannon will prop up a targeting sight, emit green lights, and play the sound of the cannon deploying/charging and firing a powerful-sounding blast. The weapons can be deployed/retracted when the brown panel on the top-left of the backpack is slid, making the [[Transformation#The noise|transformation noise]] in the process (with an additional mechanical impact sound after deploying). There are a total of five MechTech ports and four [[C joint]] bars on the backpack, with a port and bar on each missile pod, a port on the side of the cannon barrel, a port on the sliding panel, a port on the top-center of the backpack, and a bar on top of each battery compartment.<br />
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: Bumblebee can also transform into his [[Stealth Force]] attack vehicle mode, wherein his hood portions split forward and open, his doors open and hinge up, his robot arms swing out from the sides to aim, his plasma cannon extends, and his backpack is attached and deployed, with dedicated pegs to help secure his doors, arms, and shoulders. Finally, like a few other Bumblebee toys, he also features a flip-down battle mask.<br />
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: Unfortunately, while Bumblebee has rotational leg [[articulation]], they're ''below'' the knees, limiting their usefulness. Even more unfortunately, while he's perfectly stable on his own, plugging in his backpack in robot mode will make him ''very'' back-heavy, resulting in significant balance issues and limitation of posability due to his [[Ratchet (mechanism)|ratchet joint]]s not being strong enough to handle the additional weight on one side. Posing him to lean forwards or posing his legs further to his back may remedy this.<br />
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*'''Leader Class Bumblebee and Bonus Value Deluxe Class Starscream''' (Two-pack, 2011)<br />
**''Accessories:'' MechTech backpack<br />
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: As the name implies, this Walmart-exclusive giftset contains a ''Dark of the Moon'' Leader Class Bumblebee figure and a ''Dark of the Moon'' Deluxe Class [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#LeaderBeeDeluxeScream|Starscream figure]]. They are unchanged from their individual releases.<br />
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===Human Alliance===<br />
[[File:DOTM HumanAlliance Bumblebee Sam.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Third time in a row the stock photographer neglected to properly transform his knees.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' / '''Sam Witwicky''' (Human Alliance, 2011)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:''<br />
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles<br />
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:A redeco of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Bumblebee, in a Stealth Bumblebee-inspired color scheme, with even more robot mode yellow than usual. The included Sam Witwicky figure is largely unchanged from the original ''Revenge of the Fallen'' release, and rather than using the usual "4NZZ454" [[license plate]], this one's license plates sport the word BEE with the Autobot sigil next to it.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/HABumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on ''Dark of the Moon'' Human Alliance Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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===Burger King===<br />
[[File:BurgerKingDOTMBumblebeebighead.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (2011)<br />
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:Part of the 2011 [[Burger King]] Dark of the Moon promotion, Bumblebee is a simple figure with bobble-head-like proportions. The entirety of his body is put on a hinge so that it retracts automatically into his enormous head when it is opened up. A similar gimmick is present in all the toys part of this promotion.<br />
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===Robo Power===<br />
====Activators====<br />
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[[File:DOTM Activators Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|an i like ta tawk and tawk and tawk and tawk! qwiet is silly!]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (2011)<br />
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:As with other Dark of the Moon Activators toys, this Bumblebee figure (released under the [[Robo Power]] subline) is a very simple one-step transformation toy. Transformation consists of positioning him on the large blue section to the rear of his vehicle mode and pressing down, causing his components to shift around and reveal his robot parts; from there, one just has to rotate out his arms. Transformation back to vehicle mode is done by reversing the steps. <br />
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:Bumblebee was packaged in vehicle mode on an open, bubble-less card and tied down with twist-ties around the body of his truck form so that he couldn't be transformed in package.<br />
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:[http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/110058-question-robo-power-activators/ At least one report] has surfaced of a brand-new figure missing one of the locking tabs that work the spring-loaded transformation mechanism, leaving the figure unable to transform properly. Although most likely a one-off incident as no other cases are known to have happened, care should still be taken.<br />
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[[File:DOTM Activators ReconBumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|look daddy look look im batman!!]]<br />
*'''Recon Bumblebee''' (2011)<br />
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====Bash Bots====<br />
[[File:DOTM BashBots BumblebeeVsMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee Vs Megatron''' (2011)<br />
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====Go-Bots====<br />
[[File:DOTM Go-Bots Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|ima big boy today]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (2011)<br />
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====Revving Robots====<br />
[[File:DOTM RevvingRobots Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (2011)<br />
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====Robo Fighters====<br />
[[File:DOTM Robofighters Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (2011)<br />
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[[File:DOTM Robofighters Elite Guard Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|Did he hijack the Sumdac paint machines to do this, too?]]<br />
*'''Elite Guard Bumblebee''' (2011)<br />
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==Movie Trilogy Series==<br />
===Deluxe Class toys===<br />
[[File:MovieTrilogyBumblebee.jpg|thumb|The only toy from this series whose cancellation made you ''happy''.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2012)<br />
**''Accessories:'' ?<br />
: Movie Trilogy Bumblebee is a redeco of ''Dark of the Moon'' Deluxe Bumblebee. Like the rest of the Movie Trilogy Series, its release was cancelled.<br />
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==Age of Extinction==<br />
===Robots in Disguise===<br />
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[[File:AoE flip and change Bumblebee.jpg|upright=1.6|thumb]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Flip & Change, 2014)<br />
:Part of the second wave of Flip & Change assortment, this Bumblebee toy is a simplified version of his 2014 Camaro body that can auto-transform by flipping the figure over itself. He shares a transformation scheme with his fellow Flip & Changers, Lockdown and Drift.<br />
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[[File:Lost Age LA-03 Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|(''Takara version pictured'')]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (One Step Changers, 2014)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''LA03'''<br />
:The One-Step Bumblebee features a 2014 Camaro Concept alternate mode and a more unique and complex transformation compared to the other One-Steps. Also unlike other One-Step Changers, his transformation has ''three'' steps; you are required to flip out his fists and rotate his forearms after changing to robot mode.<br />
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[[File:AoE 1-step High Octane Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]<br />
*'''High Octane Bumblebee''' (One Step Changers, 2014)<br />
**''Japanese ID Number'': LA-14<br />
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:A new mold of the 1-Step Changer Bumblebee, he transforms into a customised 1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS. He shares his transformation with Drift, Prowl, & Rollbar.<br />
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:The Japanese release of the toy is completely unchanged, and it was bundled with the re-released Battle Command Optimus Prime, as part of the "''Battle Command Optimus Prime & Bumblebee Strongest Tag Team''" set.<br />
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*'''Mega 1-Step Bumblebee / Mega Flip Bumblebee''' (2014)<br />
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[[File:AOE Mega 1-Step Mega Flip Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|International bot of mystery, known by many names.]]<br />
: A large transforming toy of Bumblebee making use of the "Flip & Change" technology. Whereas the version in English-only packaging (released in the United States and Australia) is named "Mega 1-Step Bumblebee", the European release in [[multilingual packaging]] is named "Mega Flip Bumblebee".<br />
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:A Walmart exclusive version of the Mega 1-Step Bumblebee figure that includes a "bonus value" [[Stinger (AOE)#Walmart1StepBonus|Legion Class Decepticon Stinger]] figure. Both figures are unchanged from their original single releases.<br />
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[[File:AOE PowerBattlers Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Bumblebee got new workout tips from [[X-Brawn]].]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Power Battler, 2014)<br />
:Based on his 2014 Camaro body, Power Battlers Bumblebee is a simplified figure around deluxe class in size with a 'power punch' gimmick in robot mode.<br />
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*'''High Octane Bumblebee''' (Power Battler, 2014)<br />
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[[File:AoE dino sparker Bumblebee and Strafe.jpg|thumb||upright=1.4|Totally what your kid is begging for.]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee & Dinobot Strafe''' (Dino Sparkers, 2014)<br />
:Dino Sparkers Bumblebee and Strafe is a static, non-transforming, non-articulated black-coloured Bumblebee riding a clear version of Strafe that you can pull back and go. This toy features a sparking gimmick.<br />
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*'''Bumblebee''' (Titan Heroes, 2014)<br />
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===Generations===<br />
====Legion Class====<br />
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[[File:AoE Wal-Mart 3-pack legion Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee vs. Decepticon Stinger with Strafe''' (Scene Pack, 2014)<br />
**''Accessories:'' Blaster<br />
: Bumblebee is a redeco of ''Dark of the Moon'' ''Cyberverse'' Series 1 Bumblebee, available only in a "Scene Pack" with an unchanged Deluxe Class [[Strafe (AOE)#Generations|Strafe]] and a redeco of ''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Prime]] Cyberverse'' Series 2 [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] as [[Stinger (AOE)|Stinger]]. Bumblebee includes the ''Cyberverse'' Series 2 weapon based on [[Bumblebee (WFC)|''Prime'' Bumblebee]]'s wrist blaster in clear red.<br />
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:This three-pack was available exclusively at Walmart stores in the United States, at Asda stores in the United Kingdom, at Müller drug stores in Germany and at Auchan stores in Italy.<br />
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[[File:AoE Wal-Mart legion Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Legion, 2014)<br />
: Legion Class Bumblebee is a single-carded redeco of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class Bumblebee, exclusively at Walmart stores in the United States, at Asda stores in the United Kingdom and at Müller drug stores in Germany.<br />
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[[File:AoE Wal-Mart 2-pack legion Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee & Dinobot Strafe''' (Two-Pack, 2014)<br />
: Another, slightly different, redeco of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class Bumblebee, available only in a two-pack with a redeco of ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] as [[Strafe (AOE)|Strafe]]. This two-pack was exclusively available at Walmart stores in the United States and at Asda stores in the United Kingdom.<br />
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====Deluxe Class====<br />
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[[File:DeluxeAOEHighOctaneBumblebee.jpg|upright=1.65|thumb|For the first time in history, this color scheme is actually ''canon''. Just wait for the yellow redeco.]]<br />
*'''High Octane Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2014)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''AD04'''<br />
**''Accessories:'' Missile <br />
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: High Octane Bumblebee is based on the character's initial black-coloured appearance that he sports for the first half of [[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|''Age of Extinction'']], being coloured similar to multiple 'Stealth Bumblebee' decoes of past. Despite said body being mostly derived from his previous ones, is an entirely new mold. He transforms into a customised 1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS, and sports a pressure-fired missile launcher attached to his right arm.<br />
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: The Japanese release of the toy is called '''Classic Bumblebee''' and features slightly different paint applications.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/HOBumblebee/bumblebee.html More information on Deluxe High Octane Bumblebee at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:Real-robot-battle-gold-AOE-bee.jpg|thumb||I'm gold and I know it|upright=1.67]]<br />
*'''Gold Plated Bumblebee''' (2014)<br />
**''Accessories:'' Missile <br />
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: A Gold-plated redeco of the High Octane Bumblebee figure, This toy is a prize for a winner in Japan's Real Robot Battle event.<br />
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::*''[http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/toy/event/2014/11/realrobot.html More information on Deluxe Gold plated Bumblebee at Takaratomy.jp (Japanese)]'<br />
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*'''Chrome Bumblebee''' (2014)<br />
**''Accessories:'' None<br />
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: A vacum metallized redeco of the High Octane Bumblebee figure, This toy is a prize for the highest spenders at the AoE toyline launch celebrations in Asia.<br />
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*'''Bumblebee''' (Evolution 2-Pack, 2014)<br />
**''Accessories:'' 2 throwing stars<br />
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: Available only at [[Toys"R"Us]] stores in the US, Canada, the UK and Germany, this two-pack contains another brand new Bumblebee sculpt based on the new form he acquires part way through the ''Age of Extinction'' film, Bumblebee transforms into a 2014 Chevrolet Camaro concept, and includes two throwing stars which can also mount on his back. Additionally, his right forearm features a flip out cannon, and his head sports a flip down battle mask.<br />
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: The two-pack also includes a 'Classic' Bumblebee [[redeco]]ed from the ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Generations|Legends Class Bumblebee]], cast in a slightly lighter yellow with blue headlights and taillights and armed with a black and yellow redeco of ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' [[Jolt (ROTF)#Deluxe Class toys 3|Deluxe Jolt]]'s [[MechTech]] weapon. In most regions, this pack was released ahead of the ''Age of Extinction'' Deluxe figure's single-carded release.<br />
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[[File:AoE now & then Bumblebee 2014.jpg|upright=1.65|thumb|Stinger's yellow [[Knockoff]]. (Hasbro version pictured)]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2014)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''AD27'''<br />
**''Accessories:'' 2 throwing stars<br />
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:An unchanged version of the Bumblebee figure from the Evolution two-pack. He still includes the two throwing stars and the flip out cannon and flip down battle mask (Which is horribly innacurate to the actual battle mask in the film). Some variants are more of a yellow color than the original orangish yellow color.<br />
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[[File:Takara-tomy-movie-advanced-new-bumblebee.jpg|left|upright=1.67|thumb|Like the Hasbro version. But better in every way.(Takara version pictured)]]<br />
:Most promotional images, except the ones from Takara, featuring this figure (like the one at right) have Bumblebee mistransformed, with his shoulders not folded down correctly and his front bumper/grille not folded down into his chat correctly.<br />
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[[File:AutobotsUnitedPlatinumBumblebee.jpg|upright=1.65|thumb|]]<br />
*'''Autobots United 5 Pack''' (Platinum Edition, 2014)<br />
**''Accessories:'' 2 throwing stars<br />
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:Platinum Edition Bumblebee is a better painted version of AOE Bumblebee. The pack also includes Optimus Prime, Hound, Crosshairs and Drift.<br />
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====Voyager Class====<br />
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[[File:Lost Age AD-08 Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|What do you mean I'm a Voyager now?|upright=1.67]]<br />
*'''Battle Blade Bumblebee''' (Voyager, 2014)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' AD08<br />
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: A toy exclusive to Takara's 'Movie Advanced' line, this Bumblebee is a redeco of [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|''Transformers (2010)'']] Battle Blade Bumblebee. Unlike the Masterpiece Movie Bumblebee, this toy has metallic yellow paint on yellow plastic...resulting in weird, two-tone yellow colors in robot mode. Because of the gradual downsizing of deluxe figures after 2011, this Bumblebee was released as a Voyager Class figure despite its original release being a Deluxe Class figure.<br />
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====Leader Class====<br />
[[File:AoE leader Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (Leader Class, 2014)<br />
:Leader Class Bumblebee is a slight redeco of the Leader Class toy from ''Dark of the Moon'', sans MechTech weaponry. He shipped in solid cases, not part of the regular ''Age of Extinction'' Leader assortment. In the US and UK, Bumblebee appears to be exclusive to [[Costco]] and [[Smyths]] respectively. He has also reportedly been picked up by Canada's Canadian Tire stores for the 2014 holiday season.<br />
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==Q-Transformers==<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' (2014)<br />
**''ID number:'' '''QT-02E'''<br />
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:''[[Q-Transformers]]'' Bumblebee transforms from a [[super deformed]] 2014 Camaro Concept to a cute little robot. This version was sold as an exclusive at Transformers Expo months before the proper release of the toyline.<br />
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[[File:QTransformers Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]<br />
*'''Bumblebee''' ([[December 26|12-26]]-2014)<br />
**''ID number:'' '''QT-02'''<br />
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:The mass retail release of ''Q-Transformers'' Bumblebee is cast in a more orange shade of yellow than the Transformers Expo exclusive version.<br />
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[[File:QTransformers Clear Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]<br />
*'''Clear Bumblebee''' ([[December 26|12-26]]-2014)<br />
**''ID number:'' '''QT-02E'''<br />
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:This clear plastic redeco of Bumblebee was given away to customers who bought 5 or more ''Q-Transformers'' toys through Toys"R"Us Japan. It was limited to 3000 pieces.<br />
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==Bigger Toys==<br />
[[File:ChevyCamaroTransformersSpecialEdition.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Product does not convert."]]<br />
*'''Chevrolet Camaro Transformers Special Edition''' (2009)<br />
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:Starting [[June 1]], 2009, [[General Motors|Chevrolet]] began taking orders for the Bumblebee Edition package for the 2009/2010 Chevy Camaro. The package consists of Rally Yellow exterior color with black "Bumblebee" stripes, as well as "''Transformers''" badging on the wheel center caps, sill plates, and embroidered console lid. The package was available for Camaro LT and SS models.<br />
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:Production of the Transformers Special Edition ceased on [[January 12]], [[2010]], and with an estimated 1,500 Camaro to have been produced straight from order workbenches.<ref>[http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48563 "Camaro changes - Aqua Blue and Transformers Edition to end; high wing spoiler; hurst". Camaro5.com]</ref> Though production for this full package (with an order of a new Camaro) has ceased, the individual parts that made up the package can still be purchased through authorised GM accessory dealers. However, inspection of the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) would reveal if the Camaro was a true Transformers Special Edition or an after-market clone.<br />
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[[File:ChevyCamaro2012TransformersSpecialEdition.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Shia LaBeouf sold seperately"]]<br />
*'''Chevrolet Camaro 2012 Transformers Special Edition''' (2011)<br />
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:In conjunction with ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'', Chevrolet began taking orders for the 2012 Transformers Special Edition package for the Chevy Camaro in July 2011, with vehicles arriving at dealers in the U.S., and Canada in September of the same year. Based upon the Bumblebee Camaro prop as it appears in ''Dark of the Moon'', the package consists of Rally Yellow exterior color, with black rally stripes that stretched over the hood, roof, and decklid, a ''Dark of the Moon''-inspired high-wing rear spoiler, 20-inch, black-painted wheels with performance tires, and Autobot Shield logos on the center caps and front quarter panels. <br />
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[[File:ChevyCamaro2012TransformersSpecialEdition optionals.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|Of course it's a toy, too! It's just an adult-only, no touching, thirty thousand dollar toy.]]<br />
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:Inside, the package has a black leather interior accented with yellow stitching on the instrument panel, center console, armrests, and seats. Autobot Shield logos were embroidered on the front headrests and the center console lid.<br />
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:Additionally, two dealer-installed options were available: exclusive, 21-inch, black-painted wheels, and a black ground-effects package. <br />
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==Notes==<br />
* A weapon considered for Bumblebee was a pair of arm-mounted electrical [[Stinger (weapon)|stingers]]. The Bumblebee Camaro '09 toy's blade weapon might have been influenced by this early concept.<br />
* [[Aaron Archer]] mentioned that when Hasbro received pictures of numerous toys of Bumblebee [[shelfwarmer|shelf-warming]], they finally realized that they had indeed gone overboard with his toys. Aaron suggested a need for a certain amount of yellow-colored toys in each wave, hence the large amount of Bumblebee's released per wave.<br />
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==References==<br />
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==External links==<br />
* [http://www.tfu.info/toytables/movie_bumblebee.htm Bumblebee at TFU.info]<br />
* [http://www.seibertron.com/toys/index.php?f_series=40&amp;f_name=bumblebee&amp;f_t Bumblebee toy galleries at Seibertron.com]<br />
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[[Category:Wal-Mart exclusives]]</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Hound_(Movie)&diff=942982Hound (Movie)2015-02-14T19:42:17Z<p>Robogamer64: /* Notes */</p>
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:''Hound is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Movie (franchise)|2007 movie franchise]] and [[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction movie]] in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] continuity family.''<br />
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[[Image:TF4Hound.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Son, this is what happens when you ''frag a stranger in the aft!'']]<br />
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'''Hound''' is a technical specialist and highly experienced, gutsy [[Autobot]] commando. He is a boisterous warrior who throws himself into every mission with no more worries than a duck landing on a pond, and quick to draw any of his many, many guns. And while his tendency to switch from gun to gun in quick succession in a single battle often leaves him bereft of weapons and ammunition, Hound's bravery and resourcefulness is never in doubt. The only thing that just might take a toll on him is the loss of a friend; Hound's boisterous streak hides a soft-Sparked 'bot, who despite arguments and bickering, loves his fellow Autobots and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|commander]] even more than he loves a good rumble. It's this love for his comrades that makes him such an effective warrior. He will take on an entire [[Decepticon]] army if he has to, and he would sooner go down swinging then abandon his allies on the battlefield.<br />
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He is good friends with the far more relaxed [[Trailbreaker (Movie)|Trailbreaker]], although the other Autobot's more relaxed attitude sometimes gets on Hound's nerves.<br />
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He is sometimes partnered with [[Slash (AOE)|Slash]].<br />
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{{bigquote|I'm like a fat ballerina who takes scalps and slits throats!|Hound's the fat badass ballerina.|''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]''}}<br />
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==Fiction==<br />
===''Age of Extinction'' film===<br />
{{voiceactor|[[John Goodman]] (English), [[Naomi Kusumi]] (Japanese)|[[Juan Carlos Tinoco]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Francesco Pannofino]] (Italian)}}<br />
[[Image:AOE-OptimusIsHere.jpg|left|250px|thumb|You're entering a world of pain!]]<br />
Hound was among the Autobots who went into hiding on Earth after [[Cemetery Wind]] began hunting down the Autobots. Hound was overjoyed when [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] returned to the surviving Autobots. Though delighted that the Autobots were a team again, Hound expressed his immense distaste of humans following their betrayal. He didn't take kindly to [[Drift (ROTF)|Drift's]] haikus defending humanity, and nearly came to blows with him before trying to open fire on [[Cade Yeager]], his daughter [[Tessa Yeager|Tessa]], and her boyfriend [[Shane Dyson|Shane]]. That night, Hound was sobered when Optimus asked if there were signs of any other surviving Autobots, and thanks to Cade's tinkering with Cemetery Wind's drones, the Autobots learned of an attack on [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]], as well as [[Leadfoot (DOTM)|Leadfoot's]] demise. Hound was saddened to learn of his friend's fate, and saluted his fallen comrade, bitterly cursing his assailants as "savages". The loss of Leadfoot helped convince Hound to join in Cade's mission to infiltrate KSI.<br />
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[[Image:AOE-HoundMournsLeadfoot.jpg|right|250px|thumb|He died… He died as so many young 'bots of his generation before his time.]]<br />
However, the Autobots suffered another blow when they learned of Ratchet's death and subsequent melting down for raw material. Hound gladly joined in the enraged Optimus' attack on KSI. After fighting their way through several rooms and facilities, the Autobots came upon the imprisoned [[Brains]], who Hound took the time to free from his predicament. Hound was eager to kill Joshua Joyce for the atrocities he'd committed, but after a lecture on how the Autobots now meant nothing to humanity, Optimus quietly ordered a retreat, to Hound and Brains' disappointment. The Autobots fled KSI, only to be pursued by [[Galvatron (AOE)|Galvatron]] and [[Stinger (AOE)|Stinger]]. The Autobots were subsequently separated from their leader and thus unable to save Optimus and Tessa from [[Lockdown (ROTF)|Lockdown]].<br />
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[[Image:AOE-LetsUseWords.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Crosshairs, I got buddies who died face-down in the muck so that you and I could enjoy this family restaurant!]]<br />
The Autobots, Cade and Shane ventured to [[Chicago]], and covertly stowed away on Lockdown's ship (though Hound admitted it was probably a bad idea). After warning the group about Lockdown's inevitable booby-traps, Hound had to aggressively prod [[Crosshairs (AOE)|Crosshairs]] into helping rescue Optimus and Tessa. Hound took charge of the Autobots and led them in the search for Optimus, assigning Cade to search the cell block for Optimus and Tessa. Eventually, the group found Lockdown's high-security vault, where Hound had a disgusting encounter with an alien life-form. Despite the creature's relative harmlessness, Hound couldn't find it in him to let it survive, and quickly destroyed it. It was at that moment Optimus made his presence in a cell known, and ordered Hound to commander the separate ship docked with Lockdown's the cell block was in, though he confessed to Optimus he was a "sucky" pilot. Indeed, when the team regrouped, the ship was found to have made an extremely rough landing. Hey, at least the big guy was honest.<br />
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Optimus ordered the Autobots to abandon humanity forever and flee to the stars aboard the stolen ship, a plan Hound was soundly with. After Optimus and Hound revealed the [[Creator (AOE)|Creators]]' hand in Earth's past and their race's origins, Brains revealed Galvatron's nature as a reincarnated Megatron. Optimus ultimately decided to stop Galvatron an d retrieve the Seed, and subsequently leave Earth for good. Hound piloted the ship to [[China]], and left the pilot's seat in order to help retrieve the Seed from Joyce. However, incoming fire from Galvatron's army knocked him and Bumblebee into the streets of Hong Kong. <br />
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[[Image:The Big Lehoundski.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Has the whole world gone CRAZY??!! AM I THE ONLY ONE AROUND HERE WHO GIVES A SLAG ABOUT THE ENERGON??!!]]<br />
Although he ended up briefly stuck in a building thanks to his plump shape, and did not appreciate Joyce calling him fat (the inventor earned one of Hound's cigars being flicked at him in retaliation), Hound fought tooth and nail to protect the humans and the Seed from Galvatron's forces with Bumblebee's support. When Hound found himself running out of ammo and weaponry, he convinced Cade to join the battle with him. Despite overwhelming odds and an enormous amount of enemy fire whittling him down, Hound fought on as long as he could, also utilizing his skills as a "fat ballerina" to his advantage. After taking out a group of KSI Transformers with a grenade, Hound finally ran out of ammo, but fought on using his hat, belt, and even his cigar. Hound finally collapsed, exhausted from the battle, but was reinvigorated when Optimus joined the battle with the [[Dinobot (AOE)|Dinobots]]. Hound soon joined in attempting to escort the Seed to safety, but when Lockdown arrived and unleashed his ship's tractor beam, Hound escaped its influence and helped escort the seed across a nearby bridge to safety. Soon, Lockdown was defeated, and after regrouping, Optimus assigned Hound and the Autobots to protect the Yeager family before departing into space with the Seed. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}}<br />
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===''How to Ride a Dinobot'' comic===<br />
Hound was taken to a dense Chinese forest to learn how to ride a Dinobot. Despite his initial aghast horror at the prospect, Hound sucked it up and decided to attain dominance over his chosen mount, [[Slash (AOE)|Slash]], by bossing it around. Unfortunately, this reckless show of aggression earned him a rather goofy, humiliating kick, and he remained in a disoriented pile until Optimus mounted Grimlock and ordered the Autobots and Dinobots to ride out to battle.<br />
{{Storylink|How to Ride a Dinobot!}}<br />
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==Games==<br />
===''Transformers'' The Game (PSP)===<br />
[[Image:Movie hound psp.jpg|180px|thumb|left|You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don't wanna know about it, believe me.]]<br />
:''Voice actor:'' [[Daniel Ross]]<br />
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Hound was among the Autobots who accompanied [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] to [[Earth]] in response to a signal from [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] alerting them to the presence of the [[AllSpark|All Spark]] on the planet. After being informed by Bumblebee's human companion [[Sam Witwicky (Movie)|Sam Witwicky]] that the lost [[Decepticon]] leader [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] was also on Earth, Prime dispatched Hound and his close friend [[Trailbreaker (Movie)|Trailbreaker]] to investigate the Arctic cavern in which Megatron's body was originally uncovered. Taking some drones with them, Hound and Trailbreaker discovered that the Decepticons [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] and [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] had had the same idea. As Megatron's body had already been moved by [[Sector Seven]] anyway, Hound and Trailbreaker had nothing to lose by planting bombs in the cavern, hoping to entomb the two Decepticons in ice. Unfortunately, the two villains escaped at the last minute, having discovered that Megatron had brought an army of drones to Earth with him to help search for the All Spark—drones which were currently lying dormant around the Earth.<br />
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Shockwave brought Megatron's drone army back on line soon after, and they attacked the Autobots en route to [[Hoover Dam]]. [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] forced the origin of the drones from a defeated Thundercracker, and [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]] quickly concocted a virus that would send them back into sleep mode. Hound and Trailbreaker were charged with getting the virus transmitted into a satellite so that it could be broadcast to all the drones at once, and they broke into a communications center belonging to "The Corporation" (apparently a Sector Seven front company) to use their communications dish. Decepticon drones dogged their every step, blowing up the first dish they found and forcing them to move to the complex's airstrip to find another. Unfortunately, the drones cut off the power supply to this dish, requiring Hound to power it up manually while Trailbreaker uploaded the virus. "Uploading the virus", for some inexplicably ''bizarre'' reason, involved Trailbreaker violently attacking the dish control panel, causing both it and the dish to explode, hurling Hound's body across the complex. The virus was successfully transmitted to the drones, knocking them offline, but at the cost of Hound's life. With the last of his strength, Hound asked Trailbreaker if the plan worked, but he died in Trailbreaker's arms before his friend could answer.<br />
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It really sucks to be Hound. {{storylink|Transformers The Game (PSP)|Transformers The Game (PSP)}}<br />
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==Toys==<br />
===Transformers (2010)===<br />
[[File:TF2010-toy Tracker Hound.jpg|thumb|300px|Mark it Zero.]]<br />
*'''Tracker Hound''' (Legends, 2010)<br />
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:[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|''Transformers'' (2010)]] [[Legends Class]] Tracker Hound is a redeco of ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' Legends Class [[Hound (G1)#Universe_.282008.29|Autobot Hound]] in black, with gold striping, silver details, and metallic-blue eyes. He transforms into a somewhat outdated, old-fashioned army Jeep. For legal reasons, the vehicle mode has been slightly tweaked, such as sporting squared headlights and horizontal vents in the front grille, as compared to the characteristic round headlights/vertical grille vents design of a real-life Jeep.<br />
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:The [[stock photography]] to the right depicts him as mis-transformed, with his windshield not being flipped up.<br />
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:Although the lack of a [[bio]] makes the figure's placement difficult, it both featured different [[Tech Spec]] numbers from the original ''Generation 1''-themed release of Legends Hound, and was listed as "movie" product in the Japanese ''[[Transformers Generations 2011]] Vol. 1'' guidebook.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/LegTrackerHound/hound.htm More information on Tracker Hound at TFU.info]''<br />
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===Age of Extinction===<br />
====Robots in Disguise====<br />
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[[File:AOERIDtoy-OneStepHound.jpg|thumb|300px|I don't roll out on shabbos!]]<br />
*'''Autobot Hound''' (One Step Changers, 2014)<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''LA05'''<br />
:Hound [[autotransformation|autotransforms]] from robot to an Oshkosh Medium Defense Tactical vehicle in a single, spring-loaded step. He shares his engineering with, but is not a [[retool]] of, One-Step Changer [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#OneStep|Optimus Prime]], and features shoulder swivels as his only articulation.<br />
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[[File:AOERIDtoy-PowerBattlerHound.jpg|thumb|300px|Am I wrong?]]<br />
*'''Autobot Hound''' (Power Battlers, 2014)<br />
:Hound features a basic transformation from robot to tactical vehicle. His only regular articulation is a universal joint for his left shoulder, whilst his right arm features a spring-loaded "Quick Draw" gimmick that allows him to raise an attached shotgun weapon.<br />
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====Generations====<br />
[[File:AOEGenerationstoy-VoyagerHound.jpg|thumb|300px|Life does not stop and start at your convenience, you miserable piece of slag.]]<br />
*'''Autobot Hound''' (Voyager, 2014)<br />
**''Series'': '''M4: 003'''<br />
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''AD21'''<br />
**''Accessories:'' 2 shotguns, 2 pistols (A), 2 pistols (B), minigun, knife<br />
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:Part of the second wave of ''Age of Extinction: [[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' Voyager Class toys, Hound transforms into an Oshkosh Medium Defense Tactical vehicle. Hound comes with eight weapons that can combine into a larger gun. All of his weapons are capable of being stored in both his vehicle and robot mode. His beard, helmet, and forearm bandoliers are made out of rubber. In robot mode, he sports faux-kibble tires on his feet.<br />
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:The TakaraTomy version, part of the second wave of Lost Age: Movie Advanced toys, features black and brown on his vehicle and robot mode. Hound's helmet has a silver stripe running down the middle and his beard is grey rather than black.<br />
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::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/Hound/hound.htm More information on ''Age of Extinction'' Voyager Hound at TFU.info]''<br />
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[[File:AutobotsUnitedPlatinumHound.jpg|thumb|300px|]]<br />
*'''Autobots United 5 Pack''' (''Platinum Edition'', 2014)<br />
**''Accessories:'' 2 shotguns, 2 pistols (A), 2 pistols (B), minigun, knife<br />
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[[File:ArmyCamoVerHound.jpg|thumb|300px|]]<br />
*'''Hound Army Camo Ver.''' (Voyager, 2014)<br />
**''Accessories:'' 2 shotguns, 2 pistols (A), 2 pistols (B), minigun, knife<br />
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====Construct-Bots====<br />
:*''See: '''[[Hound (CB)]]'''''<br />
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====Kre-O====<br />
:*''See: '''[[Hound (Kre-O)#LockdownAirRaid|Hound (Kre-O)]]'''''<br />
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==Notes==<br />
*Hound's declaration that he is a fat ballerina who "takes scalps" is interesting, considering ''he himself'' has <s>a removable scalp</s> a scalp-like helmet.<br />
*Hound is the first and thus far only on-screen Autobot with a military vehicle [[alternate mode]].<br />
*Along with Crosshairs, Hound is never once seen transforming on-screen.<br />
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:''Flatline is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Universe]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].''<br />
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[[File:Transformers Universe Flatline.png|thumb|upright=1.67|Your ideal heart rate... Is zero.]]<br />
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'''Flatline''' may not turn into a hearse, but he'll make you wish that you brought one along. A terrifying master of the elements, his favorite one to utilize is the element of ''surprise.'' When he's not busy filling [[Autobot]]s full of lead with his pistols or sending them into oblivion with primal powers of the universe, he's healing his team mates up.<ref>https://www.transformersuniverse.com/warriors/flatline</ref><br />
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{{bigquote|Cybertronians don't come any tougher than Flatline.|[[Flamewar (Prime)|Flamewar]]}}<br />
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==Games==<br />
===''Transformers Universe''===<br />
[[File:TFUniverseJagex-FlatlineVehicle.jpg|thumb|left]]<br />
Flatline was part of the crew of the ''[[Leviathan]]'' when it shot down the Autobot ship ''[[Arclight (ship)|Arclight]]'' over [[Central City (Earth)|Central City]]. He and the other Decepticons on board went on to engage in a number of battles against the surviving Autobots in a number of places around the world. {{storylink|Transformers Universe}}<br />
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==Notes==<br />
* His in-game weapons are the [[Morgul Heavy Grenade Launcher]], [[Nex Hammer]], and [[Simulus Pistol]]s. Transforming into a four wheel drive flatbed truck, Flatline's [[alternate mode]] can launch electrified multi-grenades. <br />
* His in-game abilities are:<br />
**'''Unified Field''' — creates a field around the next enemy he hits, which damages foes and heals friends.<br />
**'''Dimension Splitter''' — phases Frontline into the [[X-Dimension]], during which time he becomes incorporeal and generates a field which heals himself and his nearby allies.<br />
**'''Lock Trap''' — deploys a timed explosive that damages and immobilizes foes.<br />
* His active subsystem is "Energy Morph"; laughing in the face of his opponents, incoming energy blast damage is absorbed for a period of time.<br />
*One of Flatline's quotes is "For Unicron" indicating his allegiance may not be to Megatron.<br />
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==References==<br />
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). Favorite Transformers: Autobot:[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], Decpticon:[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]],gestalt:[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. <br />
Status: Currently hunting for the latest Transformers toys.<br />
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Continuities that I like:<br />
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[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|Transformers: War for Cybertron]]/[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron]]<br />
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[[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW G1 Continuity]]<br />
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[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers: Animated]]<br />
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[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]<br />
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[[The Transformers (franchise)|Transformers: G1]]<br />
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[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]<br />
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[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]<br />
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[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=935447User:Robogamer642015-01-26T14:13:43Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). Favorite Transformers: Autobot:[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], Decpticon:[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]],gestalt:[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. <br />
Status: Currently hunting for the latest Transformers toys.<br />
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Continuities that I like:<br />
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[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|Transformers: War for Cybertron]]/[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron]]<br />
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[[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW G1 Continuity]]<br />
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[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers: Animated]]<br />
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[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]<br />
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[[The Transformers (franchise)|Transformers: G1]]<br />
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[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]<br />
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[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]<br />
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[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=935340User:Robogamer642015-01-26T01:54:39Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). Favorite Transformers: Autobot:[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], Decpticon:[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]],gestalt:[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. <br />
Status: Currently hunting for the latest Transformers toys.<br />
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Continuities that I like:<br />
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[[The Transformers (franchise)|Transformers: G1]]<br />
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[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]<br />
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[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers: Animated]]<br />
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[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|Transformers: War for Cybertron]]/[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron]]<br />
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[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]<br />
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[[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW G1 Continuity]]<br />
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[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=935331User:Robogamer642015-01-26T01:45:12Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). Favorite Transformers: Autobot:[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], Decpticon:[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]],gestalt:[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. <br />
Status: Currently hunting for the latest Transformers toys.<br />
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Continuities that I like:<br />
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[[The Transformers (franchise)|Transformers: G1]]<br />
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[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]<br />
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[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers: Animated]]<br />
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[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|Transformers: War for Cybertron]]/[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron]]<br />
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[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]<br />
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[[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW G1 Continuity]]</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=935330User:Robogamer642015-01-26T01:44:44Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). Favorite Transformers: Autobot:[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], Decpticon:[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]],gestalt:[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. <br />
Status: Currently hunting for the latest Transformers toys.<br />
<br />
Transformers Continuities that I like<br />
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[[The Transformers (franchise)|Transformers: G1]]<br />
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[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]<br />
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[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers: Animated]]<br />
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[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|Transformers: War for Cybertron]]/[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron]]<br />
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[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]<br />
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[[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW G1 Continuity]]</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=935326User:Robogamer642015-01-26T01:36:33Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). Favorite Transformers: Autobot:[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], Decpticon:[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]],gestalt:[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. <br />
Status: Currently hunting for the latest Transformers toys.<br />
<br />
Transformers Continuities that I like<br />
----<br />
[[The Transformers (franchise)|Transformers: G1]]<br />
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[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]<br />
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[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers: Animated]]<br />
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[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|Transformers: War for Cybertron]]/[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron]]<br />
<br />
[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=935325User:Robogamer642015-01-26T01:36:15Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). Favorite Transformers: Autobot:[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], Decpticon:[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]],gestalt:[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. <br />
Status: Currently hunting for the latest Transformers toys.<br />
<br />
Transformers Series that I like<br />
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[[The Transformers (franchise)|Transformers: G1]]<br />
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[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]<br />
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[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers: Animated]]<br />
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[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|Transformers: War for Cybertron]]/[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron]]<br />
<br />
[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=935323User:Robogamer642015-01-26T01:34:57Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). Favorite Transformers: Autobot:[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], Decpticon:[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]],gestalt:[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. <br />
Status: Currently hunting for the latest Transformers toys.<br />
<br />
Transformers Series that I like<br />
----<br />
[[The Transformers (franchise)|Transformers: G1]]<br />
<br />
[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]<br />
<br />
[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers: Animated]]<br />
<br />
[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|Transformers: War for Cybertron]]/[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron]]</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=935320User:Robogamer642015-01-26T01:30:09Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). Favorite Transformers: Autobot:[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], Decpticon:[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]],gestalt:[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. <br />
Status: Currently hunting for the latest Transformers toys.<br />
<br />
Transformers Series that I like<br />
----<br />
[[The Transformers (franchise)|Transformers: G1]]<br />
<br />
[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]<br />
<br />
[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers: Animated]]</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=935318User:Robogamer642015-01-26T01:27:18Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). Favorite Transformers: Autobot:[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], Decpticon:[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]],gestalt:[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. <br />
Status: Currently hunting for the latest Transformers toys.<br />
<br />
Transformers Series that I like<br />
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[[The Transformers (franchise)|The Transformers]]<br />
<br />
[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|''Beast Wars'' cartoon]]</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=935317User:Robogamer642015-01-26T01:25:48Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). Favorite Transformers: Autobot:[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], Decpticon:[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]],gestalt:[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. <br />
Status: Currently hunting for the latest Transformers toys.<br />
<br />
Transformers Continuities that I like<br />
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[[The Transformers (franchise)|The Transformers]]</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=935316User:Robogamer642015-01-26T01:13:06Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). Favorite Transformers: Autobot:[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], Decpticon:[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]],gestalt:[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. <br />
Status: Currently hunting for the latest Transformers toys.</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=935315User:Robogamer642015-01-26T01:12:03Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). Favorite Transformers: Autobot:[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], Decpticon:[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]],gestalt:[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. <br />
Status: Currently hunting for the latest Transformers toys.</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=935314User:Robogamer642015-01-26T01:11:09Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). Favorite Transformers: Autobot:[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], Decpticon:[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]],gestalt:Devastator. <br />
Status: Currently hunting for the latest Transformers toys.</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=935313User:Robogamer642015-01-26T01:10:07Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). Favorite Transformers: Autobot:[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], Decpticon:Starscream,gestalt:Devastator. <br />
Status: Currently hunting for the latest Transformers toys.</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=935312User:Robogamer642015-01-26T01:07:28Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). Favorite Transformers: Autobot:Hotshot, Decpticon:Starscream,gestalt:Devastator. <br />
Status: Currently hunting for the latest Transformers toys.</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=935311User:Robogamer642015-01-26T01:06:43Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). Favorite Transformers: Autobot: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hot_Shot_(Armada), Decpticon: Starscream, gestalt: Devastator. <br />
Status: Currently hunting for the latest Transformers toys.</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=935309User:Robogamer642015-01-26T00:20:11Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). Favorite Transformers: Autobot: Hotshot, Decpticon: Starscream, gestalt: Devastator. <br />
Status: Currently hunting for the latest Transformers toys.</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=935307User:Robogamer642015-01-26T00:04:13Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>I'm Robogamer64 (or Robo for short). My favorite Autobot: Hotshot, Decpticon: Starscream, gestalt: Devastator. Currently hunting for the latest TF toys.</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Aligned_continuity_family&diff=935303Talk:Aligned continuity family2015-01-25T23:40:27Z<p>Robogamer64: /* Seperation between WFC/FOC and Prime/RID */</p>
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<div>==The name==<br />
This page needed to be called ''something,'' and none of the suggested options seemed to have more or less community support in [[Talk:Transformers: Prime (franchise)|previous discussion]], so I went with what I liked best. For the record, here are the choices I've seen:<br />
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* '''New Aligned''' (or just '''Aligned''')<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024] [http://www.allspark.com/content/view/8189/20/]<br />
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* '''Modern'''<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hasbro_Q%26A/January_2011:_Answers] [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=74182&view=findpost&p=1675011]<br />
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* '''War for Cybertron/Exodus'''<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024]<br />
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* '''Prime'''<br />
:Based on the current most prominent franchise<br />
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* '''Bible'''<br />
:Based on the monumental production bible and the fact that the WfC novel is named "Exodus"<br />
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For my money, I prefer the first two, and I went with "New Aligned" over "Modern" because it's more unique and descriptive, plus it's less prone to dating. "War for Cybertron/Exodus" is clunky, and I vehemently dislike "Prime" because of all the confusion and debates we've caused ourselves by having both a [[Generation 1 (franchise)|"G1" franchise]] and a [[Generation 1 continuity family|"G1" continuity family]]. "Bible" strikes me as kind of left-field and too laden with real-world baggage.<br />
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I don't mean to impose my opinion; if the community prefers a different name, that's cool. And of course, if Hasbro ever declares an official name, this whole question is moot. But in the meantime... gotta have something.<br />
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- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:01, 25 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:I myself have been using the term "Modern Aligned Continuity" to refer to this canon, combining both of the terms that Hasbro has used. I'd say that both terms are able to encompass WFC, Exodus, and Prime without favoring one over the other. But since there are two terms, and since neither seems to take precedence over the other, I just use both at once. Ergo, the "Modern Aligned Continuity". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 15:15, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::It's not always going to be "new," so lacking an official term, I'd omit that part of it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:44, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
Yeah, won't always be new, I'd vote "Modern Aligned" or just "Aligned". --ZacWilliam (not logged in)<br />
:[[Talk:Transformers: Prime (cartoon)#New continuity family!|"Modern" isn't all that popular]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:03, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::I would also agree to just call it the aligned continuity. I take this to mean we are moving "[[Optimus Prime (Prime)]]" to "Optimus Prime (WFC)"? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:23, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::A valid question, but let's save that for its own discussion, maybe over on [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)]]. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:05, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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Everyone who has spoken up agrees that "Aligned" is good, even if we differ in our preference of modifiers. So I'm cool with the move to just "Aligned". If there are no further objections, I suggest we start propagating the name in places like continuity-notes, i.e., ''Skyquake is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Prime]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].'' Sound good? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:16, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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===New idea===<br />
This idea has crossed my mind recently. The core of this new continuity is the Binder of Revelation, which chronicles the entire history of this continuity's universe. And this is supposed to be the final major continuity of the franchise. So basically, the Binder of Revelation telling the last era of the TF franchise's life. To me, this seems sort of like a parallel to the Book of Revelation tells of the last era of real life. It's further reinforced by the guys at Hasbro calling their "'''B'''ook" the "'''B'''inder '''of Revelation'''". So what I'm getting at is, perhaps this continuity (family) can be referred to as the franchise's own sort of "Revelation". Maybe we could apply the term "Revelation", or even "the Revelation" as this new continuity (family)'s name. It looks a bit more formal than simply "Aligned continuity family". So, the major eras would go something like: "Generation 1 --> Generation 2 --> the Beast Era --> Robots in Disguise --> the Unicron Trilogy --> the Live-action film series and Animated --> the Revelation." Thoughts? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:25, 4 February 2012 (EST)<br />
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=="Superseding" and so forth==<br />
I think that that section could use a closing sentence, but since my first draft has been deleted twice, how about this rephrasing?<br />
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:It is unclear whether Hasbro intends the New Aligned fiction to merely sit askew from the rest of the multiverse, or rather to supersede it somehow. Hasbro has not used the term "[[canon]]" in its statements, so this wiki assumes the former in accordance with our [[Canon#Canon in Transformers|"everything is canon"]] policy.<br />
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Basically, I think it's important for the reader to know that there are a couple of ways to interpret the information we've gotten, but we're running with one for practicality's sake.<br />
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- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:58, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:It hasn't really superseded anything, has it? There's ongoing fiction for G1 and Movieverse being produced. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 13:47, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::Good point. In fact, that probably merits mentioning in the article. How about....<br />
:::Where, exactly, all of this leaves the New Aligned fiction in relation to the rest of the multiverse is unclear. [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (franchise)|Other]] [[Transformers: Wings Universe|contemporary]] [[BotCon 2011|fiction]] has continued to tell stories set in older universes, so it seems at least that New Aligned material is not meant to supersede the continuities from which it draws.<br />
::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:39, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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==Toy Bios?==<br />
Obviously we haven't seen the backs of the new Prime toys yet, but were there any bios on the backs of WfC Prime or Bumblebee toys? They'd only present micro-continuities, if anything, but they'd be worth mentioning. [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 14:06, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:They had the stats of their movie incarnations, I do remember that much. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 14:21, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/uploads/1269399833_Aussie2.jpg Here's "Cybertronian" Optimus's bio.] I don't know enough about WfC to tell how it jibes with ''Exodus'' and the games. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:48, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::Ah, I've found the rest:<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/cybertronian-megatron-011.jpg Cybertronian Megatron]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/soundwave-008.jpg Cybetronian Soundwave]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/wfc-bumblebee-009.jpg Cybertronian Bumblebee]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/r_cliffjumper-009.jpg Cliffjumper]<br />
:::Bumblebee's is the most interesting, since it refers to his past as a "chatterbox" and his present as a "silent warrior." You could take that to be a bridge between WfC and Prime, or you could take it as a contradiction because he's not actually ''silent'' in the cartoon. Megatron's is notable because it hints at his willingness to do stuff like infuse himself with Dark Energon, though it uses much more nonspecific terms. Soundwave and Cliffjumper's bios are both fairly generic.<br />
:::Something in all that might be worth adding to the article, but I'm not exactly sure what yet.<br />
:::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:30, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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==All current non-Movie toys part of this continuity?==<br />
Bigger Question: In the Q and As Hasbro basically said that they consider all their current toys that arent specifically Movie to be part of the NA continuity. No we ignore Hasbros stated continuity for RtS Seaspray. I assume we ignore this statement too? We should probably at least mention it somewhere.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:35, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:Did they say that? I was wondering about that in general because the mishmash nature of [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|the new line]] definitely reflects the NA spirit. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:48, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:: IIRC, Yes. In answer to this Question from Nov.<br />
"ActionFigs.com<br />
Lately, the Revenge of the Fallen line figures seem to have been moving away from the movie aesthetic, especially since the start of "Hunt for the Decepticons". Brimstone and Hubcap, Terradive and Tomahawk, Seaspray - even Human Alliance Jazz to some degree - those are all movie-line figures that feel in many ways more traditional in their styling. Was that shift away from some of the movie universe's more outlandish design stylings intentional with the latest toys, and what prompted that shift?"<br />
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Unfortunately ActionFigs seems to have taken down their answers. It was probably the most important answer we got that time too. :( The Allspark thread about that Qand A still talks about the answer. Anyone archive it?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 15:16, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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:There's a note on [[Sea Spray]]'s page that preserves a tiny bit of Hasbro's answer: something about the toys mentioned in the question "do not exist in the movie world". I don't recall Hasbro, in that answer, outrightly stating that they were part of the aligned continuity, however. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 08:22, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, here we are: "Brimstone, Hubcap, Terradive, Tomahawk and Seaspray do not exist in the movie world, so that would explain why they do not fit the aesthetic that was established in the first two movies. Our goal continues to be to design realistic vehicles that could exist in today's world that of course convert into cool looking figures, but at the same time are great toys to be played with. As such, some of the 'design' aesthetics might change to fit character designs into the vehicle designs, thus the reason for the style change."<br />
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:From [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ck6hc6HlBjMJ:www.actionfigs.com/index.php%3Fcategoryid%3D61%26p2_articleid%3D2471+%22do+not+exist+in+the+movie+world%22&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com here]. So, no mention of the aligned continuity. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 08:27, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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::I'm trying to remember the Discussion on Allspark, I think maybe the impression was given by a combination of that answer and this one to us in the same Q&A:<br />
<br />
::"Ultimately, Power Core Combiners are meant to exist in the modern world continuity. They are based on realistic vehicles, jets, helicopters, etc. all of which could exist today. So while they are not meant to be part of the "movie" universe, they are meant to exist with the modern world which we have seen come to life in the live-action films."<br />
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::I cant remember if there was more to it but basically in the same Q&A Hasbro said 1) Questionable RTS toys are set not in Movie continutiy but in the "modern world" and 2) that PCCs were part of the "modern world continuity". I think you can see how this can pre read that both are part of NA continuity. I'll look around and see if there's anything else that suggests the same.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:46, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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== Classified novels = Moviesverse? ==<br />
<br />
The [http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Classified-Switching-Ryder-Windham/dp/0316186333/ Amazon.com pre-order page] has put up an image of the first Classified novel cover, and it clearly shows Movie Bumblebee and ROTF Gears on the cover. I guess that would mean it refers to the Movie Continuity instead of the Aligned Continuity? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:59, 27 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Timeline ==<br />
With the 13 and Unicron appearing in the series and the impending release of Exiles, does anyone else think that by the end of the week we'll have enough information to start a rudimentary timeline page for the Aligned continuity? I guess it would have to be like the Movieverse timeline page in noting that there are some continuity conflicts but I think Exodus + Exiles + WfC + the one-shot comic + the show has enough by now that it would be plausible. {{unsigned|209.51.184.13}}<br />
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==Rescue Bots==<br />
Why is RB considered part of the aligned continuty, when it seems to take place in Different universe not related to the aligned continuty? {{unsigned|Eagc7}}<br />
: [[Talk:Optimus Prime (WFC)#Aligned?|Link to the discussion.]] [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 20:01, 22 December 2011 (EST)<br />
:Aligned isn't a continuity, it's a continuity ''family''. Like the Generation 1 continuity family, there are several continuities which we group together within it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:18, 22 December 2011 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Major updates needed ==<br />
<br />
We've still go the ''Prime'' game listed as "to be released in October 2012" on the page, and it's 9 months later that that now. Can anyone add to the section to explain how well it does or doesn't ties in to the overall continuity? I never got the game, so I don't thing my second- or third-hand knowledge is up to snuff. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:32, 22 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
:[[Transformers: Prime - The Game#Continuity headache|This explains how it doesn't fit]]. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:55, 22 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Bot Shots and Kre-O ==<br />
<br />
Both of these look like they should count as Aligned:<br />
* Hasbro said that the bulk of new Transformers properties would be Aligned<br />
* Both follow the "combining previous franchises' portrayals" pattern that Aligned is based around<br />
* Bot Shots introduced the Predacon faction (and the Beast Hunters concept) at the same time as Prime<br />
* The extreme difference in visual style is nothing new - take anything listed as [[Super deformed]], for instance<br />
* As for the characters who look significantly different from their Aligned counterparts (e.g. [[Sentinel Prime (Kre-O)]] and [[Sentinel Zeta Prime]]) - well, that's already happened within Aligned: [[Hot Shot (Prime)]] and [[Arcee (WFC)]], for example, are unrecognisable in their Prime forms compared to their WFC forms<br />
To me, it looks like Hasbro wanted to continue what they were doing in Prime in other forms of toys, and didn't bother saying "these are Aligned" because it's only us that care about things like continuity families. The toys weren't made to be scrutinised like this, and continuity families are such a vaguely-defined concept in the first place, as we discovered with the movie and IDW debates. I'd say that, unless Hasbro specifically say that Bot Shots and/or Kre-O are their own families, they could easily be shoved into Aligned. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 03:44, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
: So you're just going to ignore all the blatant G1 & movie design cues in Kre-O and Bot Shots, then. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:42, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::And even ignoring designs, Kre-O has a bunch of fiction and bios establishing these aren't brick-built representations of regular fictional Transformers, they're toys of characters who are actually built of bricks in-universe, which Aligned guys plainly aren't. <br />
::Bot Shots is admittedly less clear cut, but the central premise of 'Autobots and Decepticons war on Cybertron in formal arena battles' isn't one that's really compatible with the Aligned story. In addition to the 'continuity amalgam' trait of Aligned, another important part of it is somehow fitting into the big ol' [[Aligned timeline]], even loosely, per the 'squint test', but there isn't really a place for Bot Shots anywhere. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 07:25, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::M Sipher, I wasn't ignoring them - that's the second bullet point. Jalaguy, I understand your points, especially the Kre-O ones. The Bot Shots one - well, the video games, especially fighting games, never really try to establish a point in continuity where they can happen - look at [[Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle]], for instance. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 11:42, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
:::That second bullet point REALLY does not address the design issue at all. The overwhelming majority of the first-year Kreons are blatantly designed ''specifically'' on the G1 models, as are a ton of the Micro-Changers. The chest tampos are of Datsuns and Toyota Onebox vans and COE Frieghtliners and etc. That is not the same as Aligned's amalgamated character visuals. Bot Shots and Kre-O are best left where they are, as "umbrella" franchises on their own. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:04, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Autobot Dropships,Other Things ==<br />
<br />
Questions:<br />
Did we ever see an Autobot Dropship as close up as the Decepticons'? Who are worse: Brutes or Leapers? Should FOC's turrests have been like WFC's? Did the Guardians ever show their patrol mode (without the stealth cracker beam)? Did Autobot dropships change, like the 'con's? Did Trypicon seem too small to be the Nemesis when Megatron and Soundwave found him? Did the Energon Battle Pistol have a targeting beam, like the Null-ray? - [[User:J-Plane|J-Plane]] ([[User talk:J-Plane|talk]]) 17:52, 10 December 2014 (EST)<br />
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The dropships can be seen the best in the start of the last Autobot level, Definitely Leapers because Brutes are easy to trick especially with multiple people, no because of the new weapon layout, no the Guardians didn't that was scrapped, yes the Autobot dropships changed as seen in the Autobots' base in FOC's 1st Prime level, & if your talking about the sniper enemies then yes the battlepistol did have a targeting beam--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 09:16, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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== Official name ==<br />
<br />
As of the new TCC magazine, it's not just the wiki's necessary construct anymore. In fact, the article claims "Aligned" has always been Hasbro's internal name for it. Jackpot, are you some sort of wizard? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:38, 18 December 2014 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Seperation between WFC/FOC and Prime/RID ==<br />
<br />
Considering the big differences between character personalities in these 2 continuities especially with FOC to RID, Sideswipe being young & reckless in RID and mature and warhardened in FOC, and Grimlock being a Predacon/ Decpticon in RID should we seperate all the WFC/Prime pages to separate pages? They still could be part of the Aligned Continuity just different versions of the same character. What do you think?--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 09:24, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
:But we put different versions of the same character on the same page, like G1 Soundwave being different in the cartoon vs the comic. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:34, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
Maybe we can do something like: Bumblebee(Aligned) then have a Games; Novels;T.V. Toys sections--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 14:48, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
:Is that, uh, not what the wiki already does? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 14:52, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
Yeah I know, I just didn't know if its called something so I just said that.--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 14:58, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
::I think Robogamer64 is suggesting we split up Aligned characters' pages not for size issues, as we did for Optimus Prime (G1), but as a workaround to not splitting characters' pages into separate articles, even though their portrayal is irreconcilable from one media to another. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 15:18, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
:::Exactly!--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 15:21, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
::::Hmm. On one hand, if the latest cartoon is successful and produces a significant amount of stories to be recorded on each characters' pages, preemptively splitting their articles into several pages doesn't seem like a big deal. After all, they'll probably end up that way for the same reason that Optimus Prime (G1) did. But nonetheless, I'd want to hold off on this decision, as I'm a big stickler for consistency on this wiki. Try and see how people vote towards this suggestion? I'm willing to see this change go through, personally. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 15:34, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
:::::Well, the Wiki isn't exactly consistent in such matters. [[Galvatron II]] is "officially" split despite being the same basic Megatron-remade-by-Unicron guy as the majority of the page - albeit as the ''second'' Marvel alt-future-moved-to-the-present Galvatron - whereas [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity]] is merely "split to a subpage for length" when he has nothing to do with Megatron or Unicron. Japanese ''The Headmasters'' characters are on the same page as their Hasbro counterparts despite wildly different personalities and origins, later JG1 guys like the Seacons are split. There is very little consistency.<br />
:::::Now, on the topic at hand - the IDW FOC/Rage/BH comics made a HUGE effort to link FOC Grimlock and the TF Prime cartoon continuity. In which case, green/black ex-Decepticon Young Grimlock is absolutely "Grimlock II" until proven otherwise, since he has nothing in common with FOC Grimlock bar the name that (e.g.) Sideswipe and Knockout don't also share, as both red cars, one of whom was a Decepticon who defected to the Autobots. Not sure about Sideswipe himself, but I suppose the same query applies. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 15:40, 25 January 2015 (EST) <br />
::::::I guess for now we will see how this plays out and come back to it later if there is enough differenciation between the Games/Novels/Comics and TV shows to merit the change--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 18:40, 25 January 2015 (EST)</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Aligned_continuity_family&diff=935254Talk:Aligned continuity family2015-01-25T20:22:34Z<p>Robogamer64: /* Seperation between WFC/FOC and Prime/RID */</p>
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<div>==The name==<br />
This page needed to be called ''something,'' and none of the suggested options seemed to have more or less community support in [[Talk:Transformers: Prime (franchise)|previous discussion]], so I went with what I liked best. For the record, here are the choices I've seen:<br />
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* '''New Aligned''' (or just '''Aligned''')<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024] [http://www.allspark.com/content/view/8189/20/]<br />
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* '''Modern'''<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hasbro_Q%26A/January_2011:_Answers] [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=74182&view=findpost&p=1675011]<br />
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* '''War for Cybertron/Exodus'''<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024]<br />
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* '''Prime'''<br />
:Based on the current most prominent franchise<br />
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* '''Bible'''<br />
:Based on the monumental production bible and the fact that the WfC novel is named "Exodus"<br />
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For my money, I prefer the first two, and I went with "New Aligned" over "Modern" because it's more unique and descriptive, plus it's less prone to dating. "War for Cybertron/Exodus" is clunky, and I vehemently dislike "Prime" because of all the confusion and debates we've caused ourselves by having both a [[Generation 1 (franchise)|"G1" franchise]] and a [[Generation 1 continuity family|"G1" continuity family]]. "Bible" strikes me as kind of left-field and too laden with real-world baggage.<br />
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I don't mean to impose my opinion; if the community prefers a different name, that's cool. And of course, if Hasbro ever declares an official name, this whole question is moot. But in the meantime... gotta have something.<br />
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- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:01, 25 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:I myself have been using the term "Modern Aligned Continuity" to refer to this canon, combining both of the terms that Hasbro has used. I'd say that both terms are able to encompass WFC, Exodus, and Prime without favoring one over the other. But since there are two terms, and since neither seems to take precedence over the other, I just use both at once. Ergo, the "Modern Aligned Continuity". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 15:15, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::It's not always going to be "new," so lacking an official term, I'd omit that part of it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:44, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
Yeah, won't always be new, I'd vote "Modern Aligned" or just "Aligned". --ZacWilliam (not logged in)<br />
:[[Talk:Transformers: Prime (cartoon)#New continuity family!|"Modern" isn't all that popular]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:03, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::I would also agree to just call it the aligned continuity. I take this to mean we are moving "[[Optimus Prime (Prime)]]" to "Optimus Prime (WFC)"? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:23, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::A valid question, but let's save that for its own discussion, maybe over on [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)]]. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:05, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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Everyone who has spoken up agrees that "Aligned" is good, even if we differ in our preference of modifiers. So I'm cool with the move to just "Aligned". If there are no further objections, I suggest we start propagating the name in places like continuity-notes, i.e., ''Skyquake is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Prime]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].'' Sound good? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:16, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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===New idea===<br />
This idea has crossed my mind recently. The core of this new continuity is the Binder of Revelation, which chronicles the entire history of this continuity's universe. And this is supposed to be the final major continuity of the franchise. So basically, the Binder of Revelation telling the last era of the TF franchise's life. To me, this seems sort of like a parallel to the Book of Revelation tells of the last era of real life. It's further reinforced by the guys at Hasbro calling their "'''B'''ook" the "'''B'''inder '''of Revelation'''". So what I'm getting at is, perhaps this continuity (family) can be referred to as the franchise's own sort of "Revelation". Maybe we could apply the term "Revelation", or even "the Revelation" as this new continuity (family)'s name. It looks a bit more formal than simply "Aligned continuity family". So, the major eras would go something like: "Generation 1 --> Generation 2 --> the Beast Era --> Robots in Disguise --> the Unicron Trilogy --> the Live-action film series and Animated --> the Revelation." Thoughts? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:25, 4 February 2012 (EST)<br />
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=="Superseding" and so forth==<br />
I think that that section could use a closing sentence, but since my first draft has been deleted twice, how about this rephrasing?<br />
<br />
:It is unclear whether Hasbro intends the New Aligned fiction to merely sit askew from the rest of the multiverse, or rather to supersede it somehow. Hasbro has not used the term "[[canon]]" in its statements, so this wiki assumes the former in accordance with our [[Canon#Canon in Transformers|"everything is canon"]] policy.<br />
<br />
Basically, I think it's important for the reader to know that there are a couple of ways to interpret the information we've gotten, but we're running with one for practicality's sake.<br />
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- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:58, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:It hasn't really superseded anything, has it? There's ongoing fiction for G1 and Movieverse being produced. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 13:47, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::Good point. In fact, that probably merits mentioning in the article. How about....<br />
:::Where, exactly, all of this leaves the New Aligned fiction in relation to the rest of the multiverse is unclear. [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (franchise)|Other]] [[Transformers: Wings Universe|contemporary]] [[BotCon 2011|fiction]] has continued to tell stories set in older universes, so it seems at least that New Aligned material is not meant to supersede the continuities from which it draws.<br />
::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:39, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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==Toy Bios?==<br />
Obviously we haven't seen the backs of the new Prime toys yet, but were there any bios on the backs of WfC Prime or Bumblebee toys? They'd only present micro-continuities, if anything, but they'd be worth mentioning. [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 14:06, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:They had the stats of their movie incarnations, I do remember that much. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 14:21, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/uploads/1269399833_Aussie2.jpg Here's "Cybertronian" Optimus's bio.] I don't know enough about WfC to tell how it jibes with ''Exodus'' and the games. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:48, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::Ah, I've found the rest:<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/cybertronian-megatron-011.jpg Cybertronian Megatron]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/soundwave-008.jpg Cybetronian Soundwave]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/wfc-bumblebee-009.jpg Cybertronian Bumblebee]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/r_cliffjumper-009.jpg Cliffjumper]<br />
:::Bumblebee's is the most interesting, since it refers to his past as a "chatterbox" and his present as a "silent warrior." You could take that to be a bridge between WfC and Prime, or you could take it as a contradiction because he's not actually ''silent'' in the cartoon. Megatron's is notable because it hints at his willingness to do stuff like infuse himself with Dark Energon, though it uses much more nonspecific terms. Soundwave and Cliffjumper's bios are both fairly generic.<br />
:::Something in all that might be worth adding to the article, but I'm not exactly sure what yet.<br />
:::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:30, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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==All current non-Movie toys part of this continuity?==<br />
Bigger Question: In the Q and As Hasbro basically said that they consider all their current toys that arent specifically Movie to be part of the NA continuity. No we ignore Hasbros stated continuity for RtS Seaspray. I assume we ignore this statement too? We should probably at least mention it somewhere.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:35, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:Did they say that? I was wondering about that in general because the mishmash nature of [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|the new line]] definitely reflects the NA spirit. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:48, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:: IIRC, Yes. In answer to this Question from Nov.<br />
"ActionFigs.com<br />
Lately, the Revenge of the Fallen line figures seem to have been moving away from the movie aesthetic, especially since the start of "Hunt for the Decepticons". Brimstone and Hubcap, Terradive and Tomahawk, Seaspray - even Human Alliance Jazz to some degree - those are all movie-line figures that feel in many ways more traditional in their styling. Was that shift away from some of the movie universe's more outlandish design stylings intentional with the latest toys, and what prompted that shift?"<br />
<br />
Unfortunately ActionFigs seems to have taken down their answers. It was probably the most important answer we got that time too. :( The Allspark thread about that Qand A still talks about the answer. Anyone archive it?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 15:16, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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:There's a note on [[Sea Spray]]'s page that preserves a tiny bit of Hasbro's answer: something about the toys mentioned in the question "do not exist in the movie world". I don't recall Hasbro, in that answer, outrightly stating that they were part of the aligned continuity, however. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 08:22, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, here we are: "Brimstone, Hubcap, Terradive, Tomahawk and Seaspray do not exist in the movie world, so that would explain why they do not fit the aesthetic that was established in the first two movies. Our goal continues to be to design realistic vehicles that could exist in today's world that of course convert into cool looking figures, but at the same time are great toys to be played with. As such, some of the 'design' aesthetics might change to fit character designs into the vehicle designs, thus the reason for the style change."<br />
<br />
:From [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ck6hc6HlBjMJ:www.actionfigs.com/index.php%3Fcategoryid%3D61%26p2_articleid%3D2471+%22do+not+exist+in+the+movie+world%22&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com here]. So, no mention of the aligned continuity. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 08:27, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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::I'm trying to remember the Discussion on Allspark, I think maybe the impression was given by a combination of that answer and this one to us in the same Q&A:<br />
<br />
::"Ultimately, Power Core Combiners are meant to exist in the modern world continuity. They are based on realistic vehicles, jets, helicopters, etc. all of which could exist today. So while they are not meant to be part of the "movie" universe, they are meant to exist with the modern world which we have seen come to life in the live-action films."<br />
<br />
::I cant remember if there was more to it but basically in the same Q&A Hasbro said 1) Questionable RTS toys are set not in Movie continutiy but in the "modern world" and 2) that PCCs were part of the "modern world continuity". I think you can see how this can pre read that both are part of NA continuity. I'll look around and see if there's anything else that suggests the same.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:46, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Classified novels = Moviesverse? ==<br />
<br />
The [http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Classified-Switching-Ryder-Windham/dp/0316186333/ Amazon.com pre-order page] has put up an image of the first Classified novel cover, and it clearly shows Movie Bumblebee and ROTF Gears on the cover. I guess that would mean it refers to the Movie Continuity instead of the Aligned Continuity? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:59, 27 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Timeline ==<br />
With the 13 and Unicron appearing in the series and the impending release of Exiles, does anyone else think that by the end of the week we'll have enough information to start a rudimentary timeline page for the Aligned continuity? I guess it would have to be like the Movieverse timeline page in noting that there are some continuity conflicts but I think Exodus + Exiles + WfC + the one-shot comic + the show has enough by now that it would be plausible. {{unsigned|209.51.184.13}}<br />
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==Rescue Bots==<br />
Why is RB considered part of the aligned continuty, when it seems to take place in Different universe not related to the aligned continuty? {{unsigned|Eagc7}}<br />
: [[Talk:Optimus Prime (WFC)#Aligned?|Link to the discussion.]] [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 20:01, 22 December 2011 (EST)<br />
:Aligned isn't a continuity, it's a continuity ''family''. Like the Generation 1 continuity family, there are several continuities which we group together within it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:18, 22 December 2011 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Major updates needed ==<br />
<br />
We've still go the ''Prime'' game listed as "to be released in October 2012" on the page, and it's 9 months later that that now. Can anyone add to the section to explain how well it does or doesn't ties in to the overall continuity? I never got the game, so I don't thing my second- or third-hand knowledge is up to snuff. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:32, 22 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
:[[Transformers: Prime - The Game#Continuity headache|This explains how it doesn't fit]]. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:55, 22 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Bot Shots and Kre-O ==<br />
<br />
Both of these look like they should count as Aligned:<br />
* Hasbro said that the bulk of new Transformers properties would be Aligned<br />
* Both follow the "combining previous franchises' portrayals" pattern that Aligned is based around<br />
* Bot Shots introduced the Predacon faction (and the Beast Hunters concept) at the same time as Prime<br />
* The extreme difference in visual style is nothing new - take anything listed as [[Super deformed]], for instance<br />
* As for the characters who look significantly different from their Aligned counterparts (e.g. [[Sentinel Prime (Kre-O)]] and [[Sentinel Zeta Prime]]) - well, that's already happened within Aligned: [[Hot Shot (Prime)]] and [[Arcee (WFC)]], for example, are unrecognisable in their Prime forms compared to their WFC forms<br />
To me, it looks like Hasbro wanted to continue what they were doing in Prime in other forms of toys, and didn't bother saying "these are Aligned" because it's only us that care about things like continuity families. The toys weren't made to be scrutinised like this, and continuity families are such a vaguely-defined concept in the first place, as we discovered with the movie and IDW debates. I'd say that, unless Hasbro specifically say that Bot Shots and/or Kre-O are their own families, they could easily be shoved into Aligned. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 03:44, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
: So you're just going to ignore all the blatant G1 & movie design cues in Kre-O and Bot Shots, then. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:42, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::And even ignoring designs, Kre-O has a bunch of fiction and bios establishing these aren't brick-built representations of regular fictional Transformers, they're toys of characters who are actually built of bricks in-universe, which Aligned guys plainly aren't. <br />
::Bot Shots is admittedly less clear cut, but the central premise of 'Autobots and Decepticons war on Cybertron in formal arena battles' isn't one that's really compatible with the Aligned story. In addition to the 'continuity amalgam' trait of Aligned, another important part of it is somehow fitting into the big ol' [[Aligned timeline]], even loosely, per the 'squint test', but there isn't really a place for Bot Shots anywhere. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 07:25, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::M Sipher, I wasn't ignoring them - that's the second bullet point. Jalaguy, I understand your points, especially the Kre-O ones. The Bot Shots one - well, the video games, especially fighting games, never really try to establish a point in continuity where they can happen - look at [[Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle]], for instance. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 11:42, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
:::That second bullet point REALLY does not address the design issue at all. The overwhelming majority of the first-year Kreons are blatantly designed ''specifically'' on the G1 models, as are a ton of the Micro-Changers. The chest tampos are of Datsuns and Toyota Onebox vans and COE Frieghtliners and etc. That is not the same as Aligned's amalgamated character visuals. Bot Shots and Kre-O are best left where they are, as "umbrella" franchises on their own. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:04, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Autobot Dropships,Other Things ==<br />
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Questions:<br />
Did we ever see an Autobot Dropship as close up as the Decepticons'? Who are worse: Brutes or Leapers? Should FOC's turrests have been like WFC's? Did the Guardians ever show their patrol mode (without the stealth cracker beam)? Did Autobot dropships change, like the 'con's? Did Trypicon seem too small to be the Nemesis when Megatron and Soundwave found him? Did the Energon Battle Pistol have a targeting beam, like the Null-ray? - [[User:J-Plane|J-Plane]] ([[User talk:J-Plane|talk]]) 17:52, 10 December 2014 (EST)<br />
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The dropships can be seen the best in the start of the last Autobot level, Definitely Leapers because Brutes are easy to trick especially with multiple people, no because of the new weapon layout, no the Guardians didn't that was scrapped, yes the Autobot dropships changed as seen in the Autobots' base in FOC's 1st Prime level, & if your talking about the sniper enemies then yes the battlepistol did have a targeting beam--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 09:16, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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== Official name ==<br />
<br />
As of the new TCC magazine, it's not just the wiki's necessary construct anymore. In fact, the article claims "Aligned" has always been Hasbro's internal name for it. Jackpot, are you some sort of wizard? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:38, 18 December 2014 (EST)<br />
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== Seperation between WFC/FOC and Prime/RID ==<br />
<br />
Considering the big differences between character personalities in these 2 continuities especially with FOC to RID, Sideswipe being young & reckless in RID and mature and warhardened in FOC, and Grimlock being a Predacon/ Decpticon in RID should we seperate all the WFC/Prime pages to separate pages? They still could be part of the Aligned Continuity just different versions of the same character. What do you think?--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 09:24, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
:But we put different versions of the same character on the same page, like G1 Soundwave being different in the cartoon vs the comic. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:34, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
Maybe we can do something like: Bumblebee(Aligned) then have a Games; Novels;T.V. Toys sections--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 14:48, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
:Is that, uh, not what the wiki already does? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 14:52, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
Yeah I know, I just didn't know if its called something so I just said that.--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 14:58, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
::I think Robogamer64 is suggesting we split up Aligned characters' pages not for size issues, as we did for Optimus Prime (G1), but as a workaround to not splitting characters' pages into separate articles, even though their portrayal is irreconcilable from one media to another. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 15:18, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
:::Exactly!--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 15:21, 25 January 2015 (EST)</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Aligned_continuity_family&diff=935253Talk:Aligned continuity family2015-01-25T20:21:52Z<p>Robogamer64: /* Seperation between WFC/FOC and Prime/RID */</p>
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<div>==The name==<br />
This page needed to be called ''something,'' and none of the suggested options seemed to have more or less community support in [[Talk:Transformers: Prime (franchise)|previous discussion]], so I went with what I liked best. For the record, here are the choices I've seen:<br />
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* '''New Aligned''' (or just '''Aligned''')<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024] [http://www.allspark.com/content/view/8189/20/]<br />
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* '''Modern'''<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hasbro_Q%26A/January_2011:_Answers] [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=74182&view=findpost&p=1675011]<br />
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* '''War for Cybertron/Exodus'''<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024]<br />
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* '''Prime'''<br />
:Based on the current most prominent franchise<br />
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* '''Bible'''<br />
:Based on the monumental production bible and the fact that the WfC novel is named "Exodus"<br />
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For my money, I prefer the first two, and I went with "New Aligned" over "Modern" because it's more unique and descriptive, plus it's less prone to dating. "War for Cybertron/Exodus" is clunky, and I vehemently dislike "Prime" because of all the confusion and debates we've caused ourselves by having both a [[Generation 1 (franchise)|"G1" franchise]] and a [[Generation 1 continuity family|"G1" continuity family]]. "Bible" strikes me as kind of left-field and too laden with real-world baggage.<br />
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I don't mean to impose my opinion; if the community prefers a different name, that's cool. And of course, if Hasbro ever declares an official name, this whole question is moot. But in the meantime... gotta have something.<br />
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- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:01, 25 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:I myself have been using the term "Modern Aligned Continuity" to refer to this canon, combining both of the terms that Hasbro has used. I'd say that both terms are able to encompass WFC, Exodus, and Prime without favoring one over the other. But since there are two terms, and since neither seems to take precedence over the other, I just use both at once. Ergo, the "Modern Aligned Continuity". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 15:15, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::It's not always going to be "new," so lacking an official term, I'd omit that part of it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:44, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
Yeah, won't always be new, I'd vote "Modern Aligned" or just "Aligned". --ZacWilliam (not logged in)<br />
:[[Talk:Transformers: Prime (cartoon)#New continuity family!|"Modern" isn't all that popular]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:03, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::I would also agree to just call it the aligned continuity. I take this to mean we are moving "[[Optimus Prime (Prime)]]" to "Optimus Prime (WFC)"? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:23, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::A valid question, but let's save that for its own discussion, maybe over on [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)]]. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:05, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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Everyone who has spoken up agrees that "Aligned" is good, even if we differ in our preference of modifiers. So I'm cool with the move to just "Aligned". If there are no further objections, I suggest we start propagating the name in places like continuity-notes, i.e., ''Skyquake is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Prime]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].'' Sound good? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:16, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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===New idea===<br />
This idea has crossed my mind recently. The core of this new continuity is the Binder of Revelation, which chronicles the entire history of this continuity's universe. And this is supposed to be the final major continuity of the franchise. So basically, the Binder of Revelation telling the last era of the TF franchise's life. To me, this seems sort of like a parallel to the Book of Revelation tells of the last era of real life. It's further reinforced by the guys at Hasbro calling their "'''B'''ook" the "'''B'''inder '''of Revelation'''". So what I'm getting at is, perhaps this continuity (family) can be referred to as the franchise's own sort of "Revelation". Maybe we could apply the term "Revelation", or even "the Revelation" as this new continuity (family)'s name. It looks a bit more formal than simply "Aligned continuity family". So, the major eras would go something like: "Generation 1 --> Generation 2 --> the Beast Era --> Robots in Disguise --> the Unicron Trilogy --> the Live-action film series and Animated --> the Revelation." Thoughts? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:25, 4 February 2012 (EST)<br />
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=="Superseding" and so forth==<br />
I think that that section could use a closing sentence, but since my first draft has been deleted twice, how about this rephrasing?<br />
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:It is unclear whether Hasbro intends the New Aligned fiction to merely sit askew from the rest of the multiverse, or rather to supersede it somehow. Hasbro has not used the term "[[canon]]" in its statements, so this wiki assumes the former in accordance with our [[Canon#Canon in Transformers|"everything is canon"]] policy.<br />
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Basically, I think it's important for the reader to know that there are a couple of ways to interpret the information we've gotten, but we're running with one for practicality's sake.<br />
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- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:58, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:It hasn't really superseded anything, has it? There's ongoing fiction for G1 and Movieverse being produced. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 13:47, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::Good point. In fact, that probably merits mentioning in the article. How about....<br />
:::Where, exactly, all of this leaves the New Aligned fiction in relation to the rest of the multiverse is unclear. [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (franchise)|Other]] [[Transformers: Wings Universe|contemporary]] [[BotCon 2011|fiction]] has continued to tell stories set in older universes, so it seems at least that New Aligned material is not meant to supersede the continuities from which it draws.<br />
::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:39, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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==Toy Bios?==<br />
Obviously we haven't seen the backs of the new Prime toys yet, but were there any bios on the backs of WfC Prime or Bumblebee toys? They'd only present micro-continuities, if anything, but they'd be worth mentioning. [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 14:06, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:They had the stats of their movie incarnations, I do remember that much. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 14:21, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/uploads/1269399833_Aussie2.jpg Here's "Cybertronian" Optimus's bio.] I don't know enough about WfC to tell how it jibes with ''Exodus'' and the games. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:48, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::Ah, I've found the rest:<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/cybertronian-megatron-011.jpg Cybertronian Megatron]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/soundwave-008.jpg Cybetronian Soundwave]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/wfc-bumblebee-009.jpg Cybertronian Bumblebee]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/r_cliffjumper-009.jpg Cliffjumper]<br />
:::Bumblebee's is the most interesting, since it refers to his past as a "chatterbox" and his present as a "silent warrior." You could take that to be a bridge between WfC and Prime, or you could take it as a contradiction because he's not actually ''silent'' in the cartoon. Megatron's is notable because it hints at his willingness to do stuff like infuse himself with Dark Energon, though it uses much more nonspecific terms. Soundwave and Cliffjumper's bios are both fairly generic.<br />
:::Something in all that might be worth adding to the article, but I'm not exactly sure what yet.<br />
:::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:30, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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==All current non-Movie toys part of this continuity?==<br />
Bigger Question: In the Q and As Hasbro basically said that they consider all their current toys that arent specifically Movie to be part of the NA continuity. No we ignore Hasbros stated continuity for RtS Seaspray. I assume we ignore this statement too? We should probably at least mention it somewhere.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:35, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:Did they say that? I was wondering about that in general because the mishmash nature of [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|the new line]] definitely reflects the NA spirit. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:48, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:: IIRC, Yes. In answer to this Question from Nov.<br />
"ActionFigs.com<br />
Lately, the Revenge of the Fallen line figures seem to have been moving away from the movie aesthetic, especially since the start of "Hunt for the Decepticons". Brimstone and Hubcap, Terradive and Tomahawk, Seaspray - even Human Alliance Jazz to some degree - those are all movie-line figures that feel in many ways more traditional in their styling. Was that shift away from some of the movie universe's more outlandish design stylings intentional with the latest toys, and what prompted that shift?"<br />
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Unfortunately ActionFigs seems to have taken down their answers. It was probably the most important answer we got that time too. :( The Allspark thread about that Qand A still talks about the answer. Anyone archive it?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 15:16, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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:There's a note on [[Sea Spray]]'s page that preserves a tiny bit of Hasbro's answer: something about the toys mentioned in the question "do not exist in the movie world". I don't recall Hasbro, in that answer, outrightly stating that they were part of the aligned continuity, however. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 08:22, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, here we are: "Brimstone, Hubcap, Terradive, Tomahawk and Seaspray do not exist in the movie world, so that would explain why they do not fit the aesthetic that was established in the first two movies. Our goal continues to be to design realistic vehicles that could exist in today's world that of course convert into cool looking figures, but at the same time are great toys to be played with. As such, some of the 'design' aesthetics might change to fit character designs into the vehicle designs, thus the reason for the style change."<br />
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:From [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ck6hc6HlBjMJ:www.actionfigs.com/index.php%3Fcategoryid%3D61%26p2_articleid%3D2471+%22do+not+exist+in+the+movie+world%22&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com here]. So, no mention of the aligned continuity. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 08:27, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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::I'm trying to remember the Discussion on Allspark, I think maybe the impression was given by a combination of that answer and this one to us in the same Q&A:<br />
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::"Ultimately, Power Core Combiners are meant to exist in the modern world continuity. They are based on realistic vehicles, jets, helicopters, etc. all of which could exist today. So while they are not meant to be part of the "movie" universe, they are meant to exist with the modern world which we have seen come to life in the live-action films."<br />
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::I cant remember if there was more to it but basically in the same Q&A Hasbro said 1) Questionable RTS toys are set not in Movie continutiy but in the "modern world" and 2) that PCCs were part of the "modern world continuity". I think you can see how this can pre read that both are part of NA continuity. I'll look around and see if there's anything else that suggests the same.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:46, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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== Classified novels = Moviesverse? ==<br />
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The [http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Classified-Switching-Ryder-Windham/dp/0316186333/ Amazon.com pre-order page] has put up an image of the first Classified novel cover, and it clearly shows Movie Bumblebee and ROTF Gears on the cover. I guess that would mean it refers to the Movie Continuity instead of the Aligned Continuity? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:59, 27 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Timeline ==<br />
With the 13 and Unicron appearing in the series and the impending release of Exiles, does anyone else think that by the end of the week we'll have enough information to start a rudimentary timeline page for the Aligned continuity? I guess it would have to be like the Movieverse timeline page in noting that there are some continuity conflicts but I think Exodus + Exiles + WfC + the one-shot comic + the show has enough by now that it would be plausible. {{unsigned|209.51.184.13}}<br />
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==Rescue Bots==<br />
Why is RB considered part of the aligned continuty, when it seems to take place in Different universe not related to the aligned continuty? {{unsigned|Eagc7}}<br />
: [[Talk:Optimus Prime (WFC)#Aligned?|Link to the discussion.]] [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 20:01, 22 December 2011 (EST)<br />
:Aligned isn't a continuity, it's a continuity ''family''. Like the Generation 1 continuity family, there are several continuities which we group together within it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:18, 22 December 2011 (EST)<br />
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== Major updates needed ==<br />
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We've still go the ''Prime'' game listed as "to be released in October 2012" on the page, and it's 9 months later that that now. Can anyone add to the section to explain how well it does or doesn't ties in to the overall continuity? I never got the game, so I don't thing my second- or third-hand knowledge is up to snuff. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:32, 22 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
:[[Transformers: Prime - The Game#Continuity headache|This explains how it doesn't fit]]. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:55, 22 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Bot Shots and Kre-O ==<br />
<br />
Both of these look like they should count as Aligned:<br />
* Hasbro said that the bulk of new Transformers properties would be Aligned<br />
* Both follow the "combining previous franchises' portrayals" pattern that Aligned is based around<br />
* Bot Shots introduced the Predacon faction (and the Beast Hunters concept) at the same time as Prime<br />
* The extreme difference in visual style is nothing new - take anything listed as [[Super deformed]], for instance<br />
* As for the characters who look significantly different from their Aligned counterparts (e.g. [[Sentinel Prime (Kre-O)]] and [[Sentinel Zeta Prime]]) - well, that's already happened within Aligned: [[Hot Shot (Prime)]] and [[Arcee (WFC)]], for example, are unrecognisable in their Prime forms compared to their WFC forms<br />
To me, it looks like Hasbro wanted to continue what they were doing in Prime in other forms of toys, and didn't bother saying "these are Aligned" because it's only us that care about things like continuity families. The toys weren't made to be scrutinised like this, and continuity families are such a vaguely-defined concept in the first place, as we discovered with the movie and IDW debates. I'd say that, unless Hasbro specifically say that Bot Shots and/or Kre-O are their own families, they could easily be shoved into Aligned. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 03:44, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
: So you're just going to ignore all the blatant G1 & movie design cues in Kre-O and Bot Shots, then. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:42, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::And even ignoring designs, Kre-O has a bunch of fiction and bios establishing these aren't brick-built representations of regular fictional Transformers, they're toys of characters who are actually built of bricks in-universe, which Aligned guys plainly aren't. <br />
::Bot Shots is admittedly less clear cut, but the central premise of 'Autobots and Decepticons war on Cybertron in formal arena battles' isn't one that's really compatible with the Aligned story. In addition to the 'continuity amalgam' trait of Aligned, another important part of it is somehow fitting into the big ol' [[Aligned timeline]], even loosely, per the 'squint test', but there isn't really a place for Bot Shots anywhere. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 07:25, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::M Sipher, I wasn't ignoring them - that's the second bullet point. Jalaguy, I understand your points, especially the Kre-O ones. The Bot Shots one - well, the video games, especially fighting games, never really try to establish a point in continuity where they can happen - look at [[Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle]], for instance. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 11:42, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
:::That second bullet point REALLY does not address the design issue at all. The overwhelming majority of the first-year Kreons are blatantly designed ''specifically'' on the G1 models, as are a ton of the Micro-Changers. The chest tampos are of Datsuns and Toyota Onebox vans and COE Frieghtliners and etc. That is not the same as Aligned's amalgamated character visuals. Bot Shots and Kre-O are best left where they are, as "umbrella" franchises on their own. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:04, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Autobot Dropships,Other Things ==<br />
<br />
Questions:<br />
Did we ever see an Autobot Dropship as close up as the Decepticons'? Who are worse: Brutes or Leapers? Should FOC's turrests have been like WFC's? Did the Guardians ever show their patrol mode (without the stealth cracker beam)? Did Autobot dropships change, like the 'con's? Did Trypicon seem too small to be the Nemesis when Megatron and Soundwave found him? Did the Energon Battle Pistol have a targeting beam, like the Null-ray? - [[User:J-Plane|J-Plane]] ([[User talk:J-Plane|talk]]) 17:52, 10 December 2014 (EST)<br />
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The dropships can be seen the best in the start of the last Autobot level, Definitely Leapers because Brutes are easy to trick especially with multiple people, no because of the new weapon layout, no the Guardians didn't that was scrapped, yes the Autobot dropships changed as seen in the Autobots' base in FOC's 1st Prime level, & if your talking about the sniper enemies then yes the battlepistol did have a targeting beam--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 09:16, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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== Official name ==<br />
<br />
As of the new TCC magazine, it's not just the wiki's necessary construct anymore. In fact, the article claims "Aligned" has always been Hasbro's internal name for it. Jackpot, are you some sort of wizard? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:38, 18 December 2014 (EST)<br />
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== Seperation between WFC/FOC and Prime/RID ==<br />
<br />
Considering the big differences between character personalities in these 2 continuities especially with FOC to RID, Sideswipe being young & reckless in RID and mature and warhardened in FOC, and Grimlock being a Predacon/ Decpticon in RID should we seperate all the WFC/Prime pages to separate pages? They still could be part of the Aligned Continuity just different versions of the same character. What do you think?--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 09:24, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
:But we put different versions of the same character on the same page, like G1 Soundwave being different in the cartoon vs the comic. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:34, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
Maybe we can do something like: Bumblebee(Aligned) then have a Games; Novels;T.V. Toys sections--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 14:48, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
:Is that, uh, not what the wiki already does? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 14:52, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
Yeah I know, I just didn't know if its called something so I just said that.--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 14:58, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
::I think Robogamer64 is suggesting we split up Aligned characters' pages not for size issues, as we did for Optimus Prime (G1), but as a workaround to not splitting characters' pages into separate articles, even though their portrayal is irreconcilable from one media to another. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 15:18, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
Exactly!--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 15:21, 25 January 2015 (EST)</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Aligned_continuity_family&diff=935250Talk:Aligned continuity family2015-01-25T19:58:14Z<p>Robogamer64: /* Seperation between WFC/FOC and Prime/RID */</p>
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<div>==The name==<br />
This page needed to be called ''something,'' and none of the suggested options seemed to have more or less community support in [[Talk:Transformers: Prime (franchise)|previous discussion]], so I went with what I liked best. For the record, here are the choices I've seen:<br />
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* '''New Aligned''' (or just '''Aligned''')<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024] [http://www.allspark.com/content/view/8189/20/]<br />
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* '''Modern'''<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hasbro_Q%26A/January_2011:_Answers] [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=74182&view=findpost&p=1675011]<br />
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* '''War for Cybertron/Exodus'''<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024]<br />
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* '''Prime'''<br />
:Based on the current most prominent franchise<br />
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* '''Bible'''<br />
:Based on the monumental production bible and the fact that the WfC novel is named "Exodus"<br />
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For my money, I prefer the first two, and I went with "New Aligned" over "Modern" because it's more unique and descriptive, plus it's less prone to dating. "War for Cybertron/Exodus" is clunky, and I vehemently dislike "Prime" because of all the confusion and debates we've caused ourselves by having both a [[Generation 1 (franchise)|"G1" franchise]] and a [[Generation 1 continuity family|"G1" continuity family]]. "Bible" strikes me as kind of left-field and too laden with real-world baggage.<br />
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I don't mean to impose my opinion; if the community prefers a different name, that's cool. And of course, if Hasbro ever declares an official name, this whole question is moot. But in the meantime... gotta have something.<br />
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- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:01, 25 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:I myself have been using the term "Modern Aligned Continuity" to refer to this canon, combining both of the terms that Hasbro has used. I'd say that both terms are able to encompass WFC, Exodus, and Prime without favoring one over the other. But since there are two terms, and since neither seems to take precedence over the other, I just use both at once. Ergo, the "Modern Aligned Continuity". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 15:15, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::It's not always going to be "new," so lacking an official term, I'd omit that part of it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:44, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
Yeah, won't always be new, I'd vote "Modern Aligned" or just "Aligned". --ZacWilliam (not logged in)<br />
:[[Talk:Transformers: Prime (cartoon)#New continuity family!|"Modern" isn't all that popular]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:03, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::I would also agree to just call it the aligned continuity. I take this to mean we are moving "[[Optimus Prime (Prime)]]" to "Optimus Prime (WFC)"? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:23, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::A valid question, but let's save that for its own discussion, maybe over on [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)]]. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:05, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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Everyone who has spoken up agrees that "Aligned" is good, even if we differ in our preference of modifiers. So I'm cool with the move to just "Aligned". If there are no further objections, I suggest we start propagating the name in places like continuity-notes, i.e., ''Skyquake is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Prime]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].'' Sound good? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:16, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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===New idea===<br />
This idea has crossed my mind recently. The core of this new continuity is the Binder of Revelation, which chronicles the entire history of this continuity's universe. And this is supposed to be the final major continuity of the franchise. So basically, the Binder of Revelation telling the last era of the TF franchise's life. To me, this seems sort of like a parallel to the Book of Revelation tells of the last era of real life. It's further reinforced by the guys at Hasbro calling their "'''B'''ook" the "'''B'''inder '''of Revelation'''". So what I'm getting at is, perhaps this continuity (family) can be referred to as the franchise's own sort of "Revelation". Maybe we could apply the term "Revelation", or even "the Revelation" as this new continuity (family)'s name. It looks a bit more formal than simply "Aligned continuity family". So, the major eras would go something like: "Generation 1 --> Generation 2 --> the Beast Era --> Robots in Disguise --> the Unicron Trilogy --> the Live-action film series and Animated --> the Revelation." Thoughts? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:25, 4 February 2012 (EST)<br />
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=="Superseding" and so forth==<br />
I think that that section could use a closing sentence, but since my first draft has been deleted twice, how about this rephrasing?<br />
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:It is unclear whether Hasbro intends the New Aligned fiction to merely sit askew from the rest of the multiverse, or rather to supersede it somehow. Hasbro has not used the term "[[canon]]" in its statements, so this wiki assumes the former in accordance with our [[Canon#Canon in Transformers|"everything is canon"]] policy.<br />
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Basically, I think it's important for the reader to know that there are a couple of ways to interpret the information we've gotten, but we're running with one for practicality's sake.<br />
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- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:58, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:It hasn't really superseded anything, has it? There's ongoing fiction for G1 and Movieverse being produced. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 13:47, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::Good point. In fact, that probably merits mentioning in the article. How about....<br />
:::Where, exactly, all of this leaves the New Aligned fiction in relation to the rest of the multiverse is unclear. [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (franchise)|Other]] [[Transformers: Wings Universe|contemporary]] [[BotCon 2011|fiction]] has continued to tell stories set in older universes, so it seems at least that New Aligned material is not meant to supersede the continuities from which it draws.<br />
::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:39, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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==Toy Bios?==<br />
Obviously we haven't seen the backs of the new Prime toys yet, but were there any bios on the backs of WfC Prime or Bumblebee toys? They'd only present micro-continuities, if anything, but they'd be worth mentioning. [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 14:06, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:They had the stats of their movie incarnations, I do remember that much. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 14:21, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/uploads/1269399833_Aussie2.jpg Here's "Cybertronian" Optimus's bio.] I don't know enough about WfC to tell how it jibes with ''Exodus'' and the games. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:48, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::Ah, I've found the rest:<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/cybertronian-megatron-011.jpg Cybertronian Megatron]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/soundwave-008.jpg Cybetronian Soundwave]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/wfc-bumblebee-009.jpg Cybertronian Bumblebee]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/r_cliffjumper-009.jpg Cliffjumper]<br />
:::Bumblebee's is the most interesting, since it refers to his past as a "chatterbox" and his present as a "silent warrior." You could take that to be a bridge between WfC and Prime, or you could take it as a contradiction because he's not actually ''silent'' in the cartoon. Megatron's is notable because it hints at his willingness to do stuff like infuse himself with Dark Energon, though it uses much more nonspecific terms. Soundwave and Cliffjumper's bios are both fairly generic.<br />
:::Something in all that might be worth adding to the article, but I'm not exactly sure what yet.<br />
:::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:30, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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==All current non-Movie toys part of this continuity?==<br />
Bigger Question: In the Q and As Hasbro basically said that they consider all their current toys that arent specifically Movie to be part of the NA continuity. No we ignore Hasbros stated continuity for RtS Seaspray. I assume we ignore this statement too? We should probably at least mention it somewhere.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:35, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:Did they say that? I was wondering about that in general because the mishmash nature of [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|the new line]] definitely reflects the NA spirit. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:48, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:: IIRC, Yes. In answer to this Question from Nov.<br />
"ActionFigs.com<br />
Lately, the Revenge of the Fallen line figures seem to have been moving away from the movie aesthetic, especially since the start of "Hunt for the Decepticons". Brimstone and Hubcap, Terradive and Tomahawk, Seaspray - even Human Alliance Jazz to some degree - those are all movie-line figures that feel in many ways more traditional in their styling. Was that shift away from some of the movie universe's more outlandish design stylings intentional with the latest toys, and what prompted that shift?"<br />
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Unfortunately ActionFigs seems to have taken down their answers. It was probably the most important answer we got that time too. :( The Allspark thread about that Qand A still talks about the answer. Anyone archive it?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 15:16, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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:There's a note on [[Sea Spray]]'s page that preserves a tiny bit of Hasbro's answer: something about the toys mentioned in the question "do not exist in the movie world". I don't recall Hasbro, in that answer, outrightly stating that they were part of the aligned continuity, however. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 08:22, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, here we are: "Brimstone, Hubcap, Terradive, Tomahawk and Seaspray do not exist in the movie world, so that would explain why they do not fit the aesthetic that was established in the first two movies. Our goal continues to be to design realistic vehicles that could exist in today's world that of course convert into cool looking figures, but at the same time are great toys to be played with. As such, some of the 'design' aesthetics might change to fit character designs into the vehicle designs, thus the reason for the style change."<br />
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:From [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ck6hc6HlBjMJ:www.actionfigs.com/index.php%3Fcategoryid%3D61%26p2_articleid%3D2471+%22do+not+exist+in+the+movie+world%22&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com here]. So, no mention of the aligned continuity. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 08:27, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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::I'm trying to remember the Discussion on Allspark, I think maybe the impression was given by a combination of that answer and this one to us in the same Q&A:<br />
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::"Ultimately, Power Core Combiners are meant to exist in the modern world continuity. They are based on realistic vehicles, jets, helicopters, etc. all of which could exist today. So while they are not meant to be part of the "movie" universe, they are meant to exist with the modern world which we have seen come to life in the live-action films."<br />
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::I cant remember if there was more to it but basically in the same Q&A Hasbro said 1) Questionable RTS toys are set not in Movie continutiy but in the "modern world" and 2) that PCCs were part of the "modern world continuity". I think you can see how this can pre read that both are part of NA continuity. I'll look around and see if there's anything else that suggests the same.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:46, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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== Classified novels = Moviesverse? ==<br />
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The [http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Classified-Switching-Ryder-Windham/dp/0316186333/ Amazon.com pre-order page] has put up an image of the first Classified novel cover, and it clearly shows Movie Bumblebee and ROTF Gears on the cover. I guess that would mean it refers to the Movie Continuity instead of the Aligned Continuity? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:59, 27 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Timeline ==<br />
With the 13 and Unicron appearing in the series and the impending release of Exiles, does anyone else think that by the end of the week we'll have enough information to start a rudimentary timeline page for the Aligned continuity? I guess it would have to be like the Movieverse timeline page in noting that there are some continuity conflicts but I think Exodus + Exiles + WfC + the one-shot comic + the show has enough by now that it would be plausible. {{unsigned|209.51.184.13}}<br />
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==Rescue Bots==<br />
Why is RB considered part of the aligned continuty, when it seems to take place in Different universe not related to the aligned continuty? {{unsigned|Eagc7}}<br />
: [[Talk:Optimus Prime (WFC)#Aligned?|Link to the discussion.]] [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 20:01, 22 December 2011 (EST)<br />
:Aligned isn't a continuity, it's a continuity ''family''. Like the Generation 1 continuity family, there are several continuities which we group together within it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:18, 22 December 2011 (EST)<br />
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== Major updates needed ==<br />
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We've still go the ''Prime'' game listed as "to be released in October 2012" on the page, and it's 9 months later that that now. Can anyone add to the section to explain how well it does or doesn't ties in to the overall continuity? I never got the game, so I don't thing my second- or third-hand knowledge is up to snuff. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:32, 22 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
:[[Transformers: Prime - The Game#Continuity headache|This explains how it doesn't fit]]. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:55, 22 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Bot Shots and Kre-O ==<br />
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Both of these look like they should count as Aligned:<br />
* Hasbro said that the bulk of new Transformers properties would be Aligned<br />
* Both follow the "combining previous franchises' portrayals" pattern that Aligned is based around<br />
* Bot Shots introduced the Predacon faction (and the Beast Hunters concept) at the same time as Prime<br />
* The extreme difference in visual style is nothing new - take anything listed as [[Super deformed]], for instance<br />
* As for the characters who look significantly different from their Aligned counterparts (e.g. [[Sentinel Prime (Kre-O)]] and [[Sentinel Zeta Prime]]) - well, that's already happened within Aligned: [[Hot Shot (Prime)]] and [[Arcee (WFC)]], for example, are unrecognisable in their Prime forms compared to their WFC forms<br />
To me, it looks like Hasbro wanted to continue what they were doing in Prime in other forms of toys, and didn't bother saying "these are Aligned" because it's only us that care about things like continuity families. The toys weren't made to be scrutinised like this, and continuity families are such a vaguely-defined concept in the first place, as we discovered with the movie and IDW debates. I'd say that, unless Hasbro specifically say that Bot Shots and/or Kre-O are their own families, they could easily be shoved into Aligned. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 03:44, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
: So you're just going to ignore all the blatant G1 & movie design cues in Kre-O and Bot Shots, then. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:42, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::And even ignoring designs, Kre-O has a bunch of fiction and bios establishing these aren't brick-built representations of regular fictional Transformers, they're toys of characters who are actually built of bricks in-universe, which Aligned guys plainly aren't. <br />
::Bot Shots is admittedly less clear cut, but the central premise of 'Autobots and Decepticons war on Cybertron in formal arena battles' isn't one that's really compatible with the Aligned story. In addition to the 'continuity amalgam' trait of Aligned, another important part of it is somehow fitting into the big ol' [[Aligned timeline]], even loosely, per the 'squint test', but there isn't really a place for Bot Shots anywhere. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 07:25, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::M Sipher, I wasn't ignoring them - that's the second bullet point. Jalaguy, I understand your points, especially the Kre-O ones. The Bot Shots one - well, the video games, especially fighting games, never really try to establish a point in continuity where they can happen - look at [[Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle]], for instance. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 11:42, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
:::That second bullet point REALLY does not address the design issue at all. The overwhelming majority of the first-year Kreons are blatantly designed ''specifically'' on the G1 models, as are a ton of the Micro-Changers. The chest tampos are of Datsuns and Toyota Onebox vans and COE Frieghtliners and etc. That is not the same as Aligned's amalgamated character visuals. Bot Shots and Kre-O are best left where they are, as "umbrella" franchises on their own. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:04, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Autobot Dropships,Other Things ==<br />
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Questions:<br />
Did we ever see an Autobot Dropship as close up as the Decepticons'? Who are worse: Brutes or Leapers? Should FOC's turrests have been like WFC's? Did the Guardians ever show their patrol mode (without the stealth cracker beam)? Did Autobot dropships change, like the 'con's? Did Trypicon seem too small to be the Nemesis when Megatron and Soundwave found him? Did the Energon Battle Pistol have a targeting beam, like the Null-ray? - [[User:J-Plane|J-Plane]] ([[User talk:J-Plane|talk]]) 17:52, 10 December 2014 (EST)<br />
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The dropships can be seen the best in the start of the last Autobot level, Definitely Leapers because Brutes are easy to trick especially with multiple people, no because of the new weapon layout, no the Guardians didn't that was scrapped, yes the Autobot dropships changed as seen in the Autobots' base in FOC's 1st Prime level, & if your talking about the sniper enemies then yes the battlepistol did have a targeting beam--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 09:16, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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== Official name ==<br />
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As of the new TCC magazine, it's not just the wiki's necessary construct anymore. In fact, the article claims "Aligned" has always been Hasbro's internal name for it. Jackpot, are you some sort of wizard? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:38, 18 December 2014 (EST)<br />
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== Seperation between WFC/FOC and Prime/RID ==<br />
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Considering the big differences between character personalities in these 2 continuities especially with FOC to RID, Sideswipe being young & reckless in RID and mature and warhardened in FOC, and Grimlock being a Predacon/ Decpticon in RID should we seperate all the WFC/Prime pages to separate pages? They still could be part of the Aligned Continuity just different versions of the same character. What do you think?--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 09:24, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
:But we put different versions of the same character on the same page, like G1 Soundwave being different in the cartoon vs the comic. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:34, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
Maybe we can do something like: Bumblebee(Aligned) then have a Games; Novels;T.V. Toys sections--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 14:48, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
:Is that, uh, not what the wiki already does? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 14:52, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
Yeah I know, I just didn't know if its called something so I just said that.--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 14:58, 25 January 2015 (EST)</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Aligned_continuity_family&diff=935249Talk:Aligned continuity family2015-01-25T19:58:04Z<p>Robogamer64: /* Seperation between WFC/FOC and Prime/RID */</p>
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<div>==The name==<br />
This page needed to be called ''something,'' and none of the suggested options seemed to have more or less community support in [[Talk:Transformers: Prime (franchise)|previous discussion]], so I went with what I liked best. For the record, here are the choices I've seen:<br />
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* '''New Aligned''' (or just '''Aligned''')<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024] [http://www.allspark.com/content/view/8189/20/]<br />
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* '''Modern'''<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hasbro_Q%26A/January_2011:_Answers] [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=74182&view=findpost&p=1675011]<br />
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* '''War for Cybertron/Exodus'''<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024]<br />
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* '''Prime'''<br />
:Based on the current most prominent franchise<br />
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* '''Bible'''<br />
:Based on the monumental production bible and the fact that the WfC novel is named "Exodus"<br />
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For my money, I prefer the first two, and I went with "New Aligned" over "Modern" because it's more unique and descriptive, plus it's less prone to dating. "War for Cybertron/Exodus" is clunky, and I vehemently dislike "Prime" because of all the confusion and debates we've caused ourselves by having both a [[Generation 1 (franchise)|"G1" franchise]] and a [[Generation 1 continuity family|"G1" continuity family]]. "Bible" strikes me as kind of left-field and too laden with real-world baggage.<br />
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I don't mean to impose my opinion; if the community prefers a different name, that's cool. And of course, if Hasbro ever declares an official name, this whole question is moot. But in the meantime... gotta have something.<br />
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- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:01, 25 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:I myself have been using the term "Modern Aligned Continuity" to refer to this canon, combining both of the terms that Hasbro has used. I'd say that both terms are able to encompass WFC, Exodus, and Prime without favoring one over the other. But since there are two terms, and since neither seems to take precedence over the other, I just use both at once. Ergo, the "Modern Aligned Continuity". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 15:15, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::It's not always going to be "new," so lacking an official term, I'd omit that part of it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:44, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
Yeah, won't always be new, I'd vote "Modern Aligned" or just "Aligned". --ZacWilliam (not logged in)<br />
:[[Talk:Transformers: Prime (cartoon)#New continuity family!|"Modern" isn't all that popular]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:03, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::I would also agree to just call it the aligned continuity. I take this to mean we are moving "[[Optimus Prime (Prime)]]" to "Optimus Prime (WFC)"? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:23, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::A valid question, but let's save that for its own discussion, maybe over on [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)]]. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:05, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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Everyone who has spoken up agrees that "Aligned" is good, even if we differ in our preference of modifiers. So I'm cool with the move to just "Aligned". If there are no further objections, I suggest we start propagating the name in places like continuity-notes, i.e., ''Skyquake is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Prime]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].'' Sound good? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:16, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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===New idea===<br />
This idea has crossed my mind recently. The core of this new continuity is the Binder of Revelation, which chronicles the entire history of this continuity's universe. And this is supposed to be the final major continuity of the franchise. So basically, the Binder of Revelation telling the last era of the TF franchise's life. To me, this seems sort of like a parallel to the Book of Revelation tells of the last era of real life. It's further reinforced by the guys at Hasbro calling their "'''B'''ook" the "'''B'''inder '''of Revelation'''". So what I'm getting at is, perhaps this continuity (family) can be referred to as the franchise's own sort of "Revelation". Maybe we could apply the term "Revelation", or even "the Revelation" as this new continuity (family)'s name. It looks a bit more formal than simply "Aligned continuity family". So, the major eras would go something like: "Generation 1 --> Generation 2 --> the Beast Era --> Robots in Disguise --> the Unicron Trilogy --> the Live-action film series and Animated --> the Revelation." Thoughts? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:25, 4 February 2012 (EST)<br />
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=="Superseding" and so forth==<br />
I think that that section could use a closing sentence, but since my first draft has been deleted twice, how about this rephrasing?<br />
<br />
:It is unclear whether Hasbro intends the New Aligned fiction to merely sit askew from the rest of the multiverse, or rather to supersede it somehow. Hasbro has not used the term "[[canon]]" in its statements, so this wiki assumes the former in accordance with our [[Canon#Canon in Transformers|"everything is canon"]] policy.<br />
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Basically, I think it's important for the reader to know that there are a couple of ways to interpret the information we've gotten, but we're running with one for practicality's sake.<br />
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- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:58, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:It hasn't really superseded anything, has it? There's ongoing fiction for G1 and Movieverse being produced. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 13:47, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::Good point. In fact, that probably merits mentioning in the article. How about....<br />
:::Where, exactly, all of this leaves the New Aligned fiction in relation to the rest of the multiverse is unclear. [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (franchise)|Other]] [[Transformers: Wings Universe|contemporary]] [[BotCon 2011|fiction]] has continued to tell stories set in older universes, so it seems at least that New Aligned material is not meant to supersede the continuities from which it draws.<br />
::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:39, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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==Toy Bios?==<br />
Obviously we haven't seen the backs of the new Prime toys yet, but were there any bios on the backs of WfC Prime or Bumblebee toys? They'd only present micro-continuities, if anything, but they'd be worth mentioning. [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 14:06, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:They had the stats of their movie incarnations, I do remember that much. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 14:21, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/uploads/1269399833_Aussie2.jpg Here's "Cybertronian" Optimus's bio.] I don't know enough about WfC to tell how it jibes with ''Exodus'' and the games. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:48, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::Ah, I've found the rest:<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/cybertronian-megatron-011.jpg Cybertronian Megatron]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/soundwave-008.jpg Cybetronian Soundwave]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/wfc-bumblebee-009.jpg Cybertronian Bumblebee]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/r_cliffjumper-009.jpg Cliffjumper]<br />
:::Bumblebee's is the most interesting, since it refers to his past as a "chatterbox" and his present as a "silent warrior." You could take that to be a bridge between WfC and Prime, or you could take it as a contradiction because he's not actually ''silent'' in the cartoon. Megatron's is notable because it hints at his willingness to do stuff like infuse himself with Dark Energon, though it uses much more nonspecific terms. Soundwave and Cliffjumper's bios are both fairly generic.<br />
:::Something in all that might be worth adding to the article, but I'm not exactly sure what yet.<br />
:::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:30, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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==All current non-Movie toys part of this continuity?==<br />
Bigger Question: In the Q and As Hasbro basically said that they consider all their current toys that arent specifically Movie to be part of the NA continuity. No we ignore Hasbros stated continuity for RtS Seaspray. I assume we ignore this statement too? We should probably at least mention it somewhere.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:35, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:Did they say that? I was wondering about that in general because the mishmash nature of [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|the new line]] definitely reflects the NA spirit. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:48, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:: IIRC, Yes. In answer to this Question from Nov.<br />
"ActionFigs.com<br />
Lately, the Revenge of the Fallen line figures seem to have been moving away from the movie aesthetic, especially since the start of "Hunt for the Decepticons". Brimstone and Hubcap, Terradive and Tomahawk, Seaspray - even Human Alliance Jazz to some degree - those are all movie-line figures that feel in many ways more traditional in their styling. Was that shift away from some of the movie universe's more outlandish design stylings intentional with the latest toys, and what prompted that shift?"<br />
<br />
Unfortunately ActionFigs seems to have taken down their answers. It was probably the most important answer we got that time too. :( The Allspark thread about that Qand A still talks about the answer. Anyone archive it?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 15:16, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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:There's a note on [[Sea Spray]]'s page that preserves a tiny bit of Hasbro's answer: something about the toys mentioned in the question "do not exist in the movie world". I don't recall Hasbro, in that answer, outrightly stating that they were part of the aligned continuity, however. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 08:22, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Oh, here we are: "Brimstone, Hubcap, Terradive, Tomahawk and Seaspray do not exist in the movie world, so that would explain why they do not fit the aesthetic that was established in the first two movies. Our goal continues to be to design realistic vehicles that could exist in today's world that of course convert into cool looking figures, but at the same time are great toys to be played with. As such, some of the 'design' aesthetics might change to fit character designs into the vehicle designs, thus the reason for the style change."<br />
<br />
:From [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ck6hc6HlBjMJ:www.actionfigs.com/index.php%3Fcategoryid%3D61%26p2_articleid%3D2471+%22do+not+exist+in+the+movie+world%22&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com here]. So, no mention of the aligned continuity. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 08:27, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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::I'm trying to remember the Discussion on Allspark, I think maybe the impression was given by a combination of that answer and this one to us in the same Q&A:<br />
<br />
::"Ultimately, Power Core Combiners are meant to exist in the modern world continuity. They are based on realistic vehicles, jets, helicopters, etc. all of which could exist today. So while they are not meant to be part of the "movie" universe, they are meant to exist with the modern world which we have seen come to life in the live-action films."<br />
<br />
::I cant remember if there was more to it but basically in the same Q&A Hasbro said 1) Questionable RTS toys are set not in Movie continutiy but in the "modern world" and 2) that PCCs were part of the "modern world continuity". I think you can see how this can pre read that both are part of NA continuity. I'll look around and see if there's anything else that suggests the same.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:46, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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== Classified novels = Moviesverse? ==<br />
<br />
The [http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Classified-Switching-Ryder-Windham/dp/0316186333/ Amazon.com pre-order page] has put up an image of the first Classified novel cover, and it clearly shows Movie Bumblebee and ROTF Gears on the cover. I guess that would mean it refers to the Movie Continuity instead of the Aligned Continuity? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:59, 27 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Timeline ==<br />
With the 13 and Unicron appearing in the series and the impending release of Exiles, does anyone else think that by the end of the week we'll have enough information to start a rudimentary timeline page for the Aligned continuity? I guess it would have to be like the Movieverse timeline page in noting that there are some continuity conflicts but I think Exodus + Exiles + WfC + the one-shot comic + the show has enough by now that it would be plausible. {{unsigned|209.51.184.13}}<br />
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==Rescue Bots==<br />
Why is RB considered part of the aligned continuty, when it seems to take place in Different universe not related to the aligned continuty? {{unsigned|Eagc7}}<br />
: [[Talk:Optimus Prime (WFC)#Aligned?|Link to the discussion.]] [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 20:01, 22 December 2011 (EST)<br />
:Aligned isn't a continuity, it's a continuity ''family''. Like the Generation 1 continuity family, there are several continuities which we group together within it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:18, 22 December 2011 (EST)<br />
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== Major updates needed ==<br />
<br />
We've still go the ''Prime'' game listed as "to be released in October 2012" on the page, and it's 9 months later that that now. Can anyone add to the section to explain how well it does or doesn't ties in to the overall continuity? I never got the game, so I don't thing my second- or third-hand knowledge is up to snuff. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:32, 22 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
:[[Transformers: Prime - The Game#Continuity headache|This explains how it doesn't fit]]. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:55, 22 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Bot Shots and Kre-O ==<br />
<br />
Both of these look like they should count as Aligned:<br />
* Hasbro said that the bulk of new Transformers properties would be Aligned<br />
* Both follow the "combining previous franchises' portrayals" pattern that Aligned is based around<br />
* Bot Shots introduced the Predacon faction (and the Beast Hunters concept) at the same time as Prime<br />
* The extreme difference in visual style is nothing new - take anything listed as [[Super deformed]], for instance<br />
* As for the characters who look significantly different from their Aligned counterparts (e.g. [[Sentinel Prime (Kre-O)]] and [[Sentinel Zeta Prime]]) - well, that's already happened within Aligned: [[Hot Shot (Prime)]] and [[Arcee (WFC)]], for example, are unrecognisable in their Prime forms compared to their WFC forms<br />
To me, it looks like Hasbro wanted to continue what they were doing in Prime in other forms of toys, and didn't bother saying "these are Aligned" because it's only us that care about things like continuity families. The toys weren't made to be scrutinised like this, and continuity families are such a vaguely-defined concept in the first place, as we discovered with the movie and IDW debates. I'd say that, unless Hasbro specifically say that Bot Shots and/or Kre-O are their own families, they could easily be shoved into Aligned. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 03:44, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
: So you're just going to ignore all the blatant G1 & movie design cues in Kre-O and Bot Shots, then. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:42, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::And even ignoring designs, Kre-O has a bunch of fiction and bios establishing these aren't brick-built representations of regular fictional Transformers, they're toys of characters who are actually built of bricks in-universe, which Aligned guys plainly aren't. <br />
::Bot Shots is admittedly less clear cut, but the central premise of 'Autobots and Decepticons war on Cybertron in formal arena battles' isn't one that's really compatible with the Aligned story. In addition to the 'continuity amalgam' trait of Aligned, another important part of it is somehow fitting into the big ol' [[Aligned timeline]], even loosely, per the 'squint test', but there isn't really a place for Bot Shots anywhere. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 07:25, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::M Sipher, I wasn't ignoring them - that's the second bullet point. Jalaguy, I understand your points, especially the Kre-O ones. The Bot Shots one - well, the video games, especially fighting games, never really try to establish a point in continuity where they can happen - look at [[Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle]], for instance. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 11:42, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
:::That second bullet point REALLY does not address the design issue at all. The overwhelming majority of the first-year Kreons are blatantly designed ''specifically'' on the G1 models, as are a ton of the Micro-Changers. The chest tampos are of Datsuns and Toyota Onebox vans and COE Frieghtliners and etc. That is not the same as Aligned's amalgamated character visuals. Bot Shots and Kre-O are best left where they are, as "umbrella" franchises on their own. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:04, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Autobot Dropships,Other Things ==<br />
<br />
Questions:<br />
Did we ever see an Autobot Dropship as close up as the Decepticons'? Who are worse: Brutes or Leapers? Should FOC's turrests have been like WFC's? Did the Guardians ever show their patrol mode (without the stealth cracker beam)? Did Autobot dropships change, like the 'con's? Did Trypicon seem too small to be the Nemesis when Megatron and Soundwave found him? Did the Energon Battle Pistol have a targeting beam, like the Null-ray? - [[User:J-Plane|J-Plane]] ([[User talk:J-Plane|talk]]) 17:52, 10 December 2014 (EST)<br />
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The dropships can be seen the best in the start of the last Autobot level, Definitely Leapers because Brutes are easy to trick especially with multiple people, no because of the new weapon layout, no the Guardians didn't that was scrapped, yes the Autobot dropships changed as seen in the Autobots' base in FOC's 1st Prime level, & if your talking about the sniper enemies then yes the battlepistol did have a targeting beam--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 09:16, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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== Official name ==<br />
<br />
As of the new TCC magazine, it's not just the wiki's necessary construct anymore. In fact, the article claims "Aligned" has always been Hasbro's internal name for it. Jackpot, are you some sort of wizard? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:38, 18 December 2014 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Seperation between WFC/FOC and Prime/RID ==<br />
<br />
Considering the big differences between character personalities in these 2 continuities especially with FOC to RID, Sideswipe being young & reckless in RID and mature and warhardened in FOC, and Grimlock being a Predacon/ Decpticon in RID should we seperate all the WFC/Prime pages to separate pages? They still could be part of the Aligned Continuity just different versions of the same character. What do you think?--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 09:24, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
:But we put different versions of the same character on the same page, like G1 Soundwave being different in the cartoon vs the comic. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:34, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
Maybe we can do something like: Bumblebee(Aligned) then have a Games; Novels;T.V. Toys sections--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 14:48, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
:Is that, uh, not what the wiki already does? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 14:52, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
Yeah I know, I just didn't know if its called something so I just said that.</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Aligned_continuity_family&diff=935247Talk:Aligned continuity family2015-01-25T19:48:13Z<p>Robogamer64: /* Seperation between WFC/FOC and Prime/RID */</p>
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<div>==The name==<br />
This page needed to be called ''something,'' and none of the suggested options seemed to have more or less community support in [[Talk:Transformers: Prime (franchise)|previous discussion]], so I went with what I liked best. For the record, here are the choices I've seen:<br />
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* '''New Aligned''' (or just '''Aligned''')<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024] [http://www.allspark.com/content/view/8189/20/]<br />
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* '''Modern'''<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hasbro_Q%26A/January_2011:_Answers] [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=74182&view=findpost&p=1675011]<br />
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* '''War for Cybertron/Exodus'''<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024]<br />
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* '''Prime'''<br />
:Based on the current most prominent franchise<br />
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* '''Bible'''<br />
:Based on the monumental production bible and the fact that the WfC novel is named "Exodus"<br />
<br />
For my money, I prefer the first two, and I went with "New Aligned" over "Modern" because it's more unique and descriptive, plus it's less prone to dating. "War for Cybertron/Exodus" is clunky, and I vehemently dislike "Prime" because of all the confusion and debates we've caused ourselves by having both a [[Generation 1 (franchise)|"G1" franchise]] and a [[Generation 1 continuity family|"G1" continuity family]]. "Bible" strikes me as kind of left-field and too laden with real-world baggage.<br />
<br />
I don't mean to impose my opinion; if the community prefers a different name, that's cool. And of course, if Hasbro ever declares an official name, this whole question is moot. But in the meantime... gotta have something.<br />
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- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:01, 25 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:I myself have been using the term "Modern Aligned Continuity" to refer to this canon, combining both of the terms that Hasbro has used. I'd say that both terms are able to encompass WFC, Exodus, and Prime without favoring one over the other. But since there are two terms, and since neither seems to take precedence over the other, I just use both at once. Ergo, the "Modern Aligned Continuity". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 15:15, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::It's not always going to be "new," so lacking an official term, I'd omit that part of it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:44, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
Yeah, won't always be new, I'd vote "Modern Aligned" or just "Aligned". --ZacWilliam (not logged in)<br />
:[[Talk:Transformers: Prime (cartoon)#New continuity family!|"Modern" isn't all that popular]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:03, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::I would also agree to just call it the aligned continuity. I take this to mean we are moving "[[Optimus Prime (Prime)]]" to "Optimus Prime (WFC)"? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:23, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::A valid question, but let's save that for its own discussion, maybe over on [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)]]. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:05, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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Everyone who has spoken up agrees that "Aligned" is good, even if we differ in our preference of modifiers. So I'm cool with the move to just "Aligned". If there are no further objections, I suggest we start propagating the name in places like continuity-notes, i.e., ''Skyquake is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Prime]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].'' Sound good? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:16, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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===New idea===<br />
This idea has crossed my mind recently. The core of this new continuity is the Binder of Revelation, which chronicles the entire history of this continuity's universe. And this is supposed to be the final major continuity of the franchise. So basically, the Binder of Revelation telling the last era of the TF franchise's life. To me, this seems sort of like a parallel to the Book of Revelation tells of the last era of real life. It's further reinforced by the guys at Hasbro calling their "'''B'''ook" the "'''B'''inder '''of Revelation'''". So what I'm getting at is, perhaps this continuity (family) can be referred to as the franchise's own sort of "Revelation". Maybe we could apply the term "Revelation", or even "the Revelation" as this new continuity (family)'s name. It looks a bit more formal than simply "Aligned continuity family". So, the major eras would go something like: "Generation 1 --> Generation 2 --> the Beast Era --> Robots in Disguise --> the Unicron Trilogy --> the Live-action film series and Animated --> the Revelation." Thoughts? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:25, 4 February 2012 (EST)<br />
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=="Superseding" and so forth==<br />
I think that that section could use a closing sentence, but since my first draft has been deleted twice, how about this rephrasing?<br />
<br />
:It is unclear whether Hasbro intends the New Aligned fiction to merely sit askew from the rest of the multiverse, or rather to supersede it somehow. Hasbro has not used the term "[[canon]]" in its statements, so this wiki assumes the former in accordance with our [[Canon#Canon in Transformers|"everything is canon"]] policy.<br />
<br />
Basically, I think it's important for the reader to know that there are a couple of ways to interpret the information we've gotten, but we're running with one for practicality's sake.<br />
<br />
- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:58, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:It hasn't really superseded anything, has it? There's ongoing fiction for G1 and Movieverse being produced. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 13:47, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::Good point. In fact, that probably merits mentioning in the article. How about....<br />
:::Where, exactly, all of this leaves the New Aligned fiction in relation to the rest of the multiverse is unclear. [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (franchise)|Other]] [[Transformers: Wings Universe|contemporary]] [[BotCon 2011|fiction]] has continued to tell stories set in older universes, so it seems at least that New Aligned material is not meant to supersede the continuities from which it draws.<br />
::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:39, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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==Toy Bios?==<br />
Obviously we haven't seen the backs of the new Prime toys yet, but were there any bios on the backs of WfC Prime or Bumblebee toys? They'd only present micro-continuities, if anything, but they'd be worth mentioning. [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 14:06, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:They had the stats of their movie incarnations, I do remember that much. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 14:21, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/uploads/1269399833_Aussie2.jpg Here's "Cybertronian" Optimus's bio.] I don't know enough about WfC to tell how it jibes with ''Exodus'' and the games. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:48, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::Ah, I've found the rest:<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/cybertronian-megatron-011.jpg Cybertronian Megatron]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/soundwave-008.jpg Cybetronian Soundwave]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/wfc-bumblebee-009.jpg Cybertronian Bumblebee]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/r_cliffjumper-009.jpg Cliffjumper]<br />
:::Bumblebee's is the most interesting, since it refers to his past as a "chatterbox" and his present as a "silent warrior." You could take that to be a bridge between WfC and Prime, or you could take it as a contradiction because he's not actually ''silent'' in the cartoon. Megatron's is notable because it hints at his willingness to do stuff like infuse himself with Dark Energon, though it uses much more nonspecific terms. Soundwave and Cliffjumper's bios are both fairly generic.<br />
:::Something in all that might be worth adding to the article, but I'm not exactly sure what yet.<br />
:::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:30, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
<br />
==All current non-Movie toys part of this continuity?==<br />
Bigger Question: In the Q and As Hasbro basically said that they consider all their current toys that arent specifically Movie to be part of the NA continuity. No we ignore Hasbros stated continuity for RtS Seaspray. I assume we ignore this statement too? We should probably at least mention it somewhere.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:35, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:Did they say that? I was wondering about that in general because the mishmash nature of [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|the new line]] definitely reflects the NA spirit. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:48, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:: IIRC, Yes. In answer to this Question from Nov.<br />
"ActionFigs.com<br />
Lately, the Revenge of the Fallen line figures seem to have been moving away from the movie aesthetic, especially since the start of "Hunt for the Decepticons". Brimstone and Hubcap, Terradive and Tomahawk, Seaspray - even Human Alliance Jazz to some degree - those are all movie-line figures that feel in many ways more traditional in their styling. Was that shift away from some of the movie universe's more outlandish design stylings intentional with the latest toys, and what prompted that shift?"<br />
<br />
Unfortunately ActionFigs seems to have taken down their answers. It was probably the most important answer we got that time too. :( The Allspark thread about that Qand A still talks about the answer. Anyone archive it?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 15:16, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
<br />
:There's a note on [[Sea Spray]]'s page that preserves a tiny bit of Hasbro's answer: something about the toys mentioned in the question "do not exist in the movie world". I don't recall Hasbro, in that answer, outrightly stating that they were part of the aligned continuity, however. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 08:22, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Oh, here we are: "Brimstone, Hubcap, Terradive, Tomahawk and Seaspray do not exist in the movie world, so that would explain why they do not fit the aesthetic that was established in the first two movies. Our goal continues to be to design realistic vehicles that could exist in today's world that of course convert into cool looking figures, but at the same time are great toys to be played with. As such, some of the 'design' aesthetics might change to fit character designs into the vehicle designs, thus the reason for the style change."<br />
<br />
:From [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ck6hc6HlBjMJ:www.actionfigs.com/index.php%3Fcategoryid%3D61%26p2_articleid%3D2471+%22do+not+exist+in+the+movie+world%22&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com here]. So, no mention of the aligned continuity. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 08:27, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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::I'm trying to remember the Discussion on Allspark, I think maybe the impression was given by a combination of that answer and this one to us in the same Q&A:<br />
<br />
::"Ultimately, Power Core Combiners are meant to exist in the modern world continuity. They are based on realistic vehicles, jets, helicopters, etc. all of which could exist today. So while they are not meant to be part of the "movie" universe, they are meant to exist with the modern world which we have seen come to life in the live-action films."<br />
<br />
::I cant remember if there was more to it but basically in the same Q&A Hasbro said 1) Questionable RTS toys are set not in Movie continutiy but in the "modern world" and 2) that PCCs were part of the "modern world continuity". I think you can see how this can pre read that both are part of NA continuity. I'll look around and see if there's anything else that suggests the same.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:46, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Classified novels = Moviesverse? ==<br />
<br />
The [http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Classified-Switching-Ryder-Windham/dp/0316186333/ Amazon.com pre-order page] has put up an image of the first Classified novel cover, and it clearly shows Movie Bumblebee and ROTF Gears on the cover. I guess that would mean it refers to the Movie Continuity instead of the Aligned Continuity? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:59, 27 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Timeline ==<br />
With the 13 and Unicron appearing in the series and the impending release of Exiles, does anyone else think that by the end of the week we'll have enough information to start a rudimentary timeline page for the Aligned continuity? I guess it would have to be like the Movieverse timeline page in noting that there are some continuity conflicts but I think Exodus + Exiles + WfC + the one-shot comic + the show has enough by now that it would be plausible. {{unsigned|209.51.184.13}}<br />
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==Rescue Bots==<br />
Why is RB considered part of the aligned continuty, when it seems to take place in Different universe not related to the aligned continuty? {{unsigned|Eagc7}}<br />
: [[Talk:Optimus Prime (WFC)#Aligned?|Link to the discussion.]] [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 20:01, 22 December 2011 (EST)<br />
:Aligned isn't a continuity, it's a continuity ''family''. Like the Generation 1 continuity family, there are several continuities which we group together within it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:18, 22 December 2011 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Major updates needed ==<br />
<br />
We've still go the ''Prime'' game listed as "to be released in October 2012" on the page, and it's 9 months later that that now. Can anyone add to the section to explain how well it does or doesn't ties in to the overall continuity? I never got the game, so I don't thing my second- or third-hand knowledge is up to snuff. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:32, 22 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
:[[Transformers: Prime - The Game#Continuity headache|This explains how it doesn't fit]]. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:55, 22 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Bot Shots and Kre-O ==<br />
<br />
Both of these look like they should count as Aligned:<br />
* Hasbro said that the bulk of new Transformers properties would be Aligned<br />
* Both follow the "combining previous franchises' portrayals" pattern that Aligned is based around<br />
* Bot Shots introduced the Predacon faction (and the Beast Hunters concept) at the same time as Prime<br />
* The extreme difference in visual style is nothing new - take anything listed as [[Super deformed]], for instance<br />
* As for the characters who look significantly different from their Aligned counterparts (e.g. [[Sentinel Prime (Kre-O)]] and [[Sentinel Zeta Prime]]) - well, that's already happened within Aligned: [[Hot Shot (Prime)]] and [[Arcee (WFC)]], for example, are unrecognisable in their Prime forms compared to their WFC forms<br />
To me, it looks like Hasbro wanted to continue what they were doing in Prime in other forms of toys, and didn't bother saying "these are Aligned" because it's only us that care about things like continuity families. The toys weren't made to be scrutinised like this, and continuity families are such a vaguely-defined concept in the first place, as we discovered with the movie and IDW debates. I'd say that, unless Hasbro specifically say that Bot Shots and/or Kre-O are their own families, they could easily be shoved into Aligned. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 03:44, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
: So you're just going to ignore all the blatant G1 & movie design cues in Kre-O and Bot Shots, then. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:42, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::And even ignoring designs, Kre-O has a bunch of fiction and bios establishing these aren't brick-built representations of regular fictional Transformers, they're toys of characters who are actually built of bricks in-universe, which Aligned guys plainly aren't. <br />
::Bot Shots is admittedly less clear cut, but the central premise of 'Autobots and Decepticons war on Cybertron in formal arena battles' isn't one that's really compatible with the Aligned story. In addition to the 'continuity amalgam' trait of Aligned, another important part of it is somehow fitting into the big ol' [[Aligned timeline]], even loosely, per the 'squint test', but there isn't really a place for Bot Shots anywhere. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 07:25, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::M Sipher, I wasn't ignoring them - that's the second bullet point. Jalaguy, I understand your points, especially the Kre-O ones. The Bot Shots one - well, the video games, especially fighting games, never really try to establish a point in continuity where they can happen - look at [[Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle]], for instance. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 11:42, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
:::That second bullet point REALLY does not address the design issue at all. The overwhelming majority of the first-year Kreons are blatantly designed ''specifically'' on the G1 models, as are a ton of the Micro-Changers. The chest tampos are of Datsuns and Toyota Onebox vans and COE Frieghtliners and etc. That is not the same as Aligned's amalgamated character visuals. Bot Shots and Kre-O are best left where they are, as "umbrella" franchises on their own. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:04, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Autobot Dropships,Other Things ==<br />
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Questions:<br />
Did we ever see an Autobot Dropship as close up as the Decepticons'? Who are worse: Brutes or Leapers? Should FOC's turrests have been like WFC's? Did the Guardians ever show their patrol mode (without the stealth cracker beam)? Did Autobot dropships change, like the 'con's? Did Trypicon seem too small to be the Nemesis when Megatron and Soundwave found him? Did the Energon Battle Pistol have a targeting beam, like the Null-ray? - [[User:J-Plane|J-Plane]] ([[User talk:J-Plane|talk]]) 17:52, 10 December 2014 (EST)<br />
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The dropships can be seen the best in the start of the last Autobot level, Definitely Leapers because Brutes are easy to trick especially with multiple people, no because of the new weapon layout, no the Guardians didn't that was scrapped, yes the Autobot dropships changed as seen in the Autobots' base in FOC's 1st Prime level, & if your talking about the sniper enemies then yes the battlepistol did have a targeting beam--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 09:16, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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== Official name ==<br />
<br />
As of the new TCC magazine, it's not just the wiki's necessary construct anymore. In fact, the article claims "Aligned" has always been Hasbro's internal name for it. Jackpot, are you some sort of wizard? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:38, 18 December 2014 (EST)<br />
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== Seperation between WFC/FOC and Prime/RID ==<br />
<br />
Considering the big differences between character personalities in these 2 continuities especially with FOC to RID, Sideswipe being young & reckless in RID and mature and warhardened in FOC, and Grimlock being a Predacon/ Decpticon in RID should we seperate all the WFC/Prime pages to separate pages? They still could be part of the Aligned Continuity just different versions of the same character. What do you think?--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 09:24, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
:But we put different versions of the same character on the same page, like G1 Soundwave being different in the cartoon vs the comic. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:34, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
Maybe we can do something like: Bumblebee(Aligned) then have a Games; Novels;T.V. Toys sections--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 14:48, 25 January 2015 (EST)</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Aligned_continuity_family&diff=935174Talk:Aligned continuity family2015-01-25T14:24:17Z<p>Robogamer64: /* Seperation between WFC/FOC and Prime/RID */ new section</p>
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<div>==The name==<br />
This page needed to be called ''something,'' and none of the suggested options seemed to have more or less community support in [[Talk:Transformers: Prime (franchise)|previous discussion]], so I went with what I liked best. For the record, here are the choices I've seen:<br />
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* '''New Aligned''' (or just '''Aligned''')<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024] [http://www.allspark.com/content/view/8189/20/]<br />
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* '''Modern'''<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hasbro_Q%26A/January_2011:_Answers] [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=74182&view=findpost&p=1675011]<br />
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* '''War for Cybertron/Exodus'''<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024]<br />
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* '''Prime'''<br />
:Based on the current most prominent franchise<br />
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* '''Bible'''<br />
:Based on the monumental production bible and the fact that the WfC novel is named "Exodus"<br />
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For my money, I prefer the first two, and I went with "New Aligned" over "Modern" because it's more unique and descriptive, plus it's less prone to dating. "War for Cybertron/Exodus" is clunky, and I vehemently dislike "Prime" because of all the confusion and debates we've caused ourselves by having both a [[Generation 1 (franchise)|"G1" franchise]] and a [[Generation 1 continuity family|"G1" continuity family]]. "Bible" strikes me as kind of left-field and too laden with real-world baggage.<br />
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I don't mean to impose my opinion; if the community prefers a different name, that's cool. And of course, if Hasbro ever declares an official name, this whole question is moot. But in the meantime... gotta have something.<br />
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- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:01, 25 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:I myself have been using the term "Modern Aligned Continuity" to refer to this canon, combining both of the terms that Hasbro has used. I'd say that both terms are able to encompass WFC, Exodus, and Prime without favoring one over the other. But since there are two terms, and since neither seems to take precedence over the other, I just use both at once. Ergo, the "Modern Aligned Continuity". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 15:15, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::It's not always going to be "new," so lacking an official term, I'd omit that part of it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:44, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
Yeah, won't always be new, I'd vote "Modern Aligned" or just "Aligned". --ZacWilliam (not logged in)<br />
:[[Talk:Transformers: Prime (cartoon)#New continuity family!|"Modern" isn't all that popular]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:03, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::I would also agree to just call it the aligned continuity. I take this to mean we are moving "[[Optimus Prime (Prime)]]" to "Optimus Prime (WFC)"? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:23, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::A valid question, but let's save that for its own discussion, maybe over on [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)]]. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:05, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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Everyone who has spoken up agrees that "Aligned" is good, even if we differ in our preference of modifiers. So I'm cool with the move to just "Aligned". If there are no further objections, I suggest we start propagating the name in places like continuity-notes, i.e., ''Skyquake is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Prime]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].'' Sound good? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:16, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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===New idea===<br />
This idea has crossed my mind recently. The core of this new continuity is the Binder of Revelation, which chronicles the entire history of this continuity's universe. And this is supposed to be the final major continuity of the franchise. So basically, the Binder of Revelation telling the last era of the TF franchise's life. To me, this seems sort of like a parallel to the Book of Revelation tells of the last era of real life. It's further reinforced by the guys at Hasbro calling their "'''B'''ook" the "'''B'''inder '''of Revelation'''". So what I'm getting at is, perhaps this continuity (family) can be referred to as the franchise's own sort of "Revelation". Maybe we could apply the term "Revelation", or even "the Revelation" as this new continuity (family)'s name. It looks a bit more formal than simply "Aligned continuity family". So, the major eras would go something like: "Generation 1 --> Generation 2 --> the Beast Era --> Robots in Disguise --> the Unicron Trilogy --> the Live-action film series and Animated --> the Revelation." Thoughts? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:25, 4 February 2012 (EST)<br />
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=="Superseding" and so forth==<br />
I think that that section could use a closing sentence, but since my first draft has been deleted twice, how about this rephrasing?<br />
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:It is unclear whether Hasbro intends the New Aligned fiction to merely sit askew from the rest of the multiverse, or rather to supersede it somehow. Hasbro has not used the term "[[canon]]" in its statements, so this wiki assumes the former in accordance with our [[Canon#Canon in Transformers|"everything is canon"]] policy.<br />
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Basically, I think it's important for the reader to know that there are a couple of ways to interpret the information we've gotten, but we're running with one for practicality's sake.<br />
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- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:58, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:It hasn't really superseded anything, has it? There's ongoing fiction for G1 and Movieverse being produced. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 13:47, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::Good point. In fact, that probably merits mentioning in the article. How about....<br />
:::Where, exactly, all of this leaves the New Aligned fiction in relation to the rest of the multiverse is unclear. [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (franchise)|Other]] [[Transformers: Wings Universe|contemporary]] [[BotCon 2011|fiction]] has continued to tell stories set in older universes, so it seems at least that New Aligned material is not meant to supersede the continuities from which it draws.<br />
::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:39, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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==Toy Bios?==<br />
Obviously we haven't seen the backs of the new Prime toys yet, but were there any bios on the backs of WfC Prime or Bumblebee toys? They'd only present micro-continuities, if anything, but they'd be worth mentioning. [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 14:06, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:They had the stats of their movie incarnations, I do remember that much. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 14:21, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/uploads/1269399833_Aussie2.jpg Here's "Cybertronian" Optimus's bio.] I don't know enough about WfC to tell how it jibes with ''Exodus'' and the games. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:48, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::Ah, I've found the rest:<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/cybertronian-megatron-011.jpg Cybertronian Megatron]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/soundwave-008.jpg Cybetronian Soundwave]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/wfc-bumblebee-009.jpg Cybertronian Bumblebee]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/r_cliffjumper-009.jpg Cliffjumper]<br />
:::Bumblebee's is the most interesting, since it refers to his past as a "chatterbox" and his present as a "silent warrior." You could take that to be a bridge between WfC and Prime, or you could take it as a contradiction because he's not actually ''silent'' in the cartoon. Megatron's is notable because it hints at his willingness to do stuff like infuse himself with Dark Energon, though it uses much more nonspecific terms. Soundwave and Cliffjumper's bios are both fairly generic.<br />
:::Something in all that might be worth adding to the article, but I'm not exactly sure what yet.<br />
:::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:30, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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==All current non-Movie toys part of this continuity?==<br />
Bigger Question: In the Q and As Hasbro basically said that they consider all their current toys that arent specifically Movie to be part of the NA continuity. No we ignore Hasbros stated continuity for RtS Seaspray. I assume we ignore this statement too? We should probably at least mention it somewhere.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:35, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:Did they say that? I was wondering about that in general because the mishmash nature of [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|the new line]] definitely reflects the NA spirit. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:48, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:: IIRC, Yes. In answer to this Question from Nov.<br />
"ActionFigs.com<br />
Lately, the Revenge of the Fallen line figures seem to have been moving away from the movie aesthetic, especially since the start of "Hunt for the Decepticons". Brimstone and Hubcap, Terradive and Tomahawk, Seaspray - even Human Alliance Jazz to some degree - those are all movie-line figures that feel in many ways more traditional in their styling. Was that shift away from some of the movie universe's more outlandish design stylings intentional with the latest toys, and what prompted that shift?"<br />
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Unfortunately ActionFigs seems to have taken down their answers. It was probably the most important answer we got that time too. :( The Allspark thread about that Qand A still talks about the answer. Anyone archive it?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 15:16, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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:There's a note on [[Sea Spray]]'s page that preserves a tiny bit of Hasbro's answer: something about the toys mentioned in the question "do not exist in the movie world". I don't recall Hasbro, in that answer, outrightly stating that they were part of the aligned continuity, however. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 08:22, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, here we are: "Brimstone, Hubcap, Terradive, Tomahawk and Seaspray do not exist in the movie world, so that would explain why they do not fit the aesthetic that was established in the first two movies. Our goal continues to be to design realistic vehicles that could exist in today's world that of course convert into cool looking figures, but at the same time are great toys to be played with. As such, some of the 'design' aesthetics might change to fit character designs into the vehicle designs, thus the reason for the style change."<br />
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:From [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ck6hc6HlBjMJ:www.actionfigs.com/index.php%3Fcategoryid%3D61%26p2_articleid%3D2471+%22do+not+exist+in+the+movie+world%22&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com here]. So, no mention of the aligned continuity. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 08:27, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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::I'm trying to remember the Discussion on Allspark, I think maybe the impression was given by a combination of that answer and this one to us in the same Q&A:<br />
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::"Ultimately, Power Core Combiners are meant to exist in the modern world continuity. They are based on realistic vehicles, jets, helicopters, etc. all of which could exist today. So while they are not meant to be part of the "movie" universe, they are meant to exist with the modern world which we have seen come to life in the live-action films."<br />
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::I cant remember if there was more to it but basically in the same Q&A Hasbro said 1) Questionable RTS toys are set not in Movie continutiy but in the "modern world" and 2) that PCCs were part of the "modern world continuity". I think you can see how this can pre read that both are part of NA continuity. I'll look around and see if there's anything else that suggests the same.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:46, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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== Classified novels = Moviesverse? ==<br />
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The [http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Classified-Switching-Ryder-Windham/dp/0316186333/ Amazon.com pre-order page] has put up an image of the first Classified novel cover, and it clearly shows Movie Bumblebee and ROTF Gears on the cover. I guess that would mean it refers to the Movie Continuity instead of the Aligned Continuity? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:59, 27 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Timeline ==<br />
With the 13 and Unicron appearing in the series and the impending release of Exiles, does anyone else think that by the end of the week we'll have enough information to start a rudimentary timeline page for the Aligned continuity? I guess it would have to be like the Movieverse timeline page in noting that there are some continuity conflicts but I think Exodus + Exiles + WfC + the one-shot comic + the show has enough by now that it would be plausible. {{unsigned|209.51.184.13}}<br />
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==Rescue Bots==<br />
Why is RB considered part of the aligned continuty, when it seems to take place in Different universe not related to the aligned continuty? {{unsigned|Eagc7}}<br />
: [[Talk:Optimus Prime (WFC)#Aligned?|Link to the discussion.]] [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 20:01, 22 December 2011 (EST)<br />
:Aligned isn't a continuity, it's a continuity ''family''. Like the Generation 1 continuity family, there are several continuities which we group together within it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:18, 22 December 2011 (EST)<br />
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== Major updates needed ==<br />
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We've still go the ''Prime'' game listed as "to be released in October 2012" on the page, and it's 9 months later that that now. Can anyone add to the section to explain how well it does or doesn't ties in to the overall continuity? I never got the game, so I don't thing my second- or third-hand knowledge is up to snuff. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:32, 22 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
:[[Transformers: Prime - The Game#Continuity headache|This explains how it doesn't fit]]. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:55, 22 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Bot Shots and Kre-O ==<br />
<br />
Both of these look like they should count as Aligned:<br />
* Hasbro said that the bulk of new Transformers properties would be Aligned<br />
* Both follow the "combining previous franchises' portrayals" pattern that Aligned is based around<br />
* Bot Shots introduced the Predacon faction (and the Beast Hunters concept) at the same time as Prime<br />
* The extreme difference in visual style is nothing new - take anything listed as [[Super deformed]], for instance<br />
* As for the characters who look significantly different from their Aligned counterparts (e.g. [[Sentinel Prime (Kre-O)]] and [[Sentinel Zeta Prime]]) - well, that's already happened within Aligned: [[Hot Shot (Prime)]] and [[Arcee (WFC)]], for example, are unrecognisable in their Prime forms compared to their WFC forms<br />
To me, it looks like Hasbro wanted to continue what they were doing in Prime in other forms of toys, and didn't bother saying "these are Aligned" because it's only us that care about things like continuity families. The toys weren't made to be scrutinised like this, and continuity families are such a vaguely-defined concept in the first place, as we discovered with the movie and IDW debates. I'd say that, unless Hasbro specifically say that Bot Shots and/or Kre-O are their own families, they could easily be shoved into Aligned. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 03:44, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
: So you're just going to ignore all the blatant G1 & movie design cues in Kre-O and Bot Shots, then. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:42, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::And even ignoring designs, Kre-O has a bunch of fiction and bios establishing these aren't brick-built representations of regular fictional Transformers, they're toys of characters who are actually built of bricks in-universe, which Aligned guys plainly aren't. <br />
::Bot Shots is admittedly less clear cut, but the central premise of 'Autobots and Decepticons war on Cybertron in formal arena battles' isn't one that's really compatible with the Aligned story. In addition to the 'continuity amalgam' trait of Aligned, another important part of it is somehow fitting into the big ol' [[Aligned timeline]], even loosely, per the 'squint test', but there isn't really a place for Bot Shots anywhere. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 07:25, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::M Sipher, I wasn't ignoring them - that's the second bullet point. Jalaguy, I understand your points, especially the Kre-O ones. The Bot Shots one - well, the video games, especially fighting games, never really try to establish a point in continuity where they can happen - look at [[Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle]], for instance. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 11:42, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
:::That second bullet point REALLY does not address the design issue at all. The overwhelming majority of the first-year Kreons are blatantly designed ''specifically'' on the G1 models, as are a ton of the Micro-Changers. The chest tampos are of Datsuns and Toyota Onebox vans and COE Frieghtliners and etc. That is not the same as Aligned's amalgamated character visuals. Bot Shots and Kre-O are best left where they are, as "umbrella" franchises on their own. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:04, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Autobot Dropships,Other Things ==<br />
<br />
Questions:<br />
Did we ever see an Autobot Dropship as close up as the Decepticons'? Who are worse: Brutes or Leapers? Should FOC's turrests have been like WFC's? Did the Guardians ever show their patrol mode (without the stealth cracker beam)? Did Autobot dropships change, like the 'con's? Did Trypicon seem too small to be the Nemesis when Megatron and Soundwave found him? Did the Energon Battle Pistol have a targeting beam, like the Null-ray? - [[User:J-Plane|J-Plane]] ([[User talk:J-Plane|talk]]) 17:52, 10 December 2014 (EST)<br />
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The dropships can be seen the best in the start of the last Autobot level, Definitely Leapers because Brutes are easy to trick especially with multiple people, no because of the new weapon layout, no the Guardians didn't that was scrapped, yes the Autobot dropships changed as seen in the Autobots' base in FOC's 1st Prime level, & if your talking about the sniper enemies then yes the battlepistol did have a targeting beam--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 09:16, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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== Official name ==<br />
<br />
As of the new TCC magazine, it's not just the wiki's necessary construct anymore. In fact, the article claims "Aligned" has always been Hasbro's internal name for it. Jackpot, are you some sort of wizard? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:38, 18 December 2014 (EST)<br />
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== Seperation between WFC/FOC and Prime/RID ==<br />
<br />
Considering the big differences between character personalities in these 2 continuities especially with FOC to RID, Sideswipe being young & reckless in RID and mature and warhardened in FOC, and Grimlock being a Predacon/ Decpticon in RID should we seperate all the WFC/Prime pages to separate pages? They still could be part of the Aligned Continuity just different versions of the same character. What do you think?--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 09:24, 25 January 2015 (EST)</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Aligned_continuity_family&diff=935165Talk:Aligned continuity family2015-01-25T14:16:29Z<p>Robogamer64: /* Autobot Dropships,Other Things */</p>
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<div>==The name==<br />
This page needed to be called ''something,'' and none of the suggested options seemed to have more or less community support in [[Talk:Transformers: Prime (franchise)|previous discussion]], so I went with what I liked best. For the record, here are the choices I've seen:<br />
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* '''New Aligned''' (or just '''Aligned''')<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024] [http://www.allspark.com/content/view/8189/20/]<br />
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* '''Modern'''<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hasbro_Q%26A/January_2011:_Answers] [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=74182&view=findpost&p=1675011]<br />
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* '''War for Cybertron/Exodus'''<br />
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024]<br />
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* '''Prime'''<br />
:Based on the current most prominent franchise<br />
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* '''Bible'''<br />
:Based on the monumental production bible and the fact that the WfC novel is named "Exodus"<br />
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For my money, I prefer the first two, and I went with "New Aligned" over "Modern" because it's more unique and descriptive, plus it's less prone to dating. "War for Cybertron/Exodus" is clunky, and I vehemently dislike "Prime" because of all the confusion and debates we've caused ourselves by having both a [[Generation 1 (franchise)|"G1" franchise]] and a [[Generation 1 continuity family|"G1" continuity family]]. "Bible" strikes me as kind of left-field and too laden with real-world baggage.<br />
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I don't mean to impose my opinion; if the community prefers a different name, that's cool. And of course, if Hasbro ever declares an official name, this whole question is moot. But in the meantime... gotta have something.<br />
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- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:01, 25 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:I myself have been using the term "Modern Aligned Continuity" to refer to this canon, combining both of the terms that Hasbro has used. I'd say that both terms are able to encompass WFC, Exodus, and Prime without favoring one over the other. But since there are two terms, and since neither seems to take precedence over the other, I just use both at once. Ergo, the "Modern Aligned Continuity". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 15:15, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::It's not always going to be "new," so lacking an official term, I'd omit that part of it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:44, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
Yeah, won't always be new, I'd vote "Modern Aligned" or just "Aligned". --ZacWilliam (not logged in)<br />
:[[Talk:Transformers: Prime (cartoon)#New continuity family!|"Modern" isn't all that popular]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:03, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::I would also agree to just call it the aligned continuity. I take this to mean we are moving "[[Optimus Prime (Prime)]]" to "Optimus Prime (WFC)"? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:23, 26 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::A valid question, but let's save that for its own discussion, maybe over on [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)]]. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:05, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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Everyone who has spoken up agrees that "Aligned" is good, even if we differ in our preference of modifiers. So I'm cool with the move to just "Aligned". If there are no further objections, I suggest we start propagating the name in places like continuity-notes, i.e., ''Skyquake is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Prime]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].'' Sound good? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:16, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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===New idea===<br />
This idea has crossed my mind recently. The core of this new continuity is the Binder of Revelation, which chronicles the entire history of this continuity's universe. And this is supposed to be the final major continuity of the franchise. So basically, the Binder of Revelation telling the last era of the TF franchise's life. To me, this seems sort of like a parallel to the Book of Revelation tells of the last era of real life. It's further reinforced by the guys at Hasbro calling their "'''B'''ook" the "'''B'''inder '''of Revelation'''". So what I'm getting at is, perhaps this continuity (family) can be referred to as the franchise's own sort of "Revelation". Maybe we could apply the term "Revelation", or even "the Revelation" as this new continuity (family)'s name. It looks a bit more formal than simply "Aligned continuity family". So, the major eras would go something like: "Generation 1 --> Generation 2 --> the Beast Era --> Robots in Disguise --> the Unicron Trilogy --> the Live-action film series and Animated --> the Revelation." Thoughts? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:25, 4 February 2012 (EST)<br />
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=="Superseding" and so forth==<br />
I think that that section could use a closing sentence, but since my first draft has been deleted twice, how about this rephrasing?<br />
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:It is unclear whether Hasbro intends the New Aligned fiction to merely sit askew from the rest of the multiverse, or rather to supersede it somehow. Hasbro has not used the term "[[canon]]" in its statements, so this wiki assumes the former in accordance with our [[Canon#Canon in Transformers|"everything is canon"]] policy.<br />
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Basically, I think it's important for the reader to know that there are a couple of ways to interpret the information we've gotten, but we're running with one for practicality's sake.<br />
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- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:58, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:It hasn't really superseded anything, has it? There's ongoing fiction for G1 and Movieverse being produced. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 13:47, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::Good point. In fact, that probably merits mentioning in the article. How about....<br />
:::Where, exactly, all of this leaves the New Aligned fiction in relation to the rest of the multiverse is unclear. [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (franchise)|Other]] [[Transformers: Wings Universe|contemporary]] [[BotCon 2011|fiction]] has continued to tell stories set in older universes, so it seems at least that New Aligned material is not meant to supersede the continuities from which it draws.<br />
::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:39, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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==Toy Bios?==<br />
Obviously we haven't seen the backs of the new Prime toys yet, but were there any bios on the backs of WfC Prime or Bumblebee toys? They'd only present micro-continuities, if anything, but they'd be worth mentioning. [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 14:06, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:They had the stats of their movie incarnations, I do remember that much. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 14:21, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/uploads/1269399833_Aussie2.jpg Here's "Cybertronian" Optimus's bio.] I don't know enough about WfC to tell how it jibes with ''Exodus'' and the games. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:48, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:::Ah, I've found the rest:<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/cybertronian-megatron-011.jpg Cybertronian Megatron]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/soundwave-008.jpg Cybetronian Soundwave]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/wfc-bumblebee-009.jpg Cybertronian Bumblebee]<br />
:::[http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/127/r_cliffjumper-009.jpg Cliffjumper]<br />
:::Bumblebee's is the most interesting, since it refers to his past as a "chatterbox" and his present as a "silent warrior." You could take that to be a bridge between WfC and Prime, or you could take it as a contradiction because he's not actually ''silent'' in the cartoon. Megatron's is notable because it hints at his willingness to do stuff like infuse himself with Dark Energon, though it uses much more nonspecific terms. Soundwave and Cliffjumper's bios are both fairly generic.<br />
:::Something in all that might be worth adding to the article, but I'm not exactly sure what yet.<br />
:::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:30, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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==All current non-Movie toys part of this continuity?==<br />
Bigger Question: In the Q and As Hasbro basically said that they consider all their current toys that arent specifically Movie to be part of the NA continuity. No we ignore Hasbros stated continuity for RtS Seaspray. I assume we ignore this statement too? We should probably at least mention it somewhere.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:35, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:Did they say that? I was wondering about that in general because the mishmash nature of [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|the new line]] definitely reflects the NA spirit. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:48, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
:: IIRC, Yes. In answer to this Question from Nov.<br />
"ActionFigs.com<br />
Lately, the Revenge of the Fallen line figures seem to have been moving away from the movie aesthetic, especially since the start of "Hunt for the Decepticons". Brimstone and Hubcap, Terradive and Tomahawk, Seaspray - even Human Alliance Jazz to some degree - those are all movie-line figures that feel in many ways more traditional in their styling. Was that shift away from some of the movie universe's more outlandish design stylings intentional with the latest toys, and what prompted that shift?"<br />
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Unfortunately ActionFigs seems to have taken down their answers. It was probably the most important answer we got that time too. :( The Allspark thread about that Qand A still talks about the answer. Anyone archive it?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 15:16, 27 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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:There's a note on [[Sea Spray]]'s page that preserves a tiny bit of Hasbro's answer: something about the toys mentioned in the question "do not exist in the movie world". I don't recall Hasbro, in that answer, outrightly stating that they were part of the aligned continuity, however. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 08:22, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, here we are: "Brimstone, Hubcap, Terradive, Tomahawk and Seaspray do not exist in the movie world, so that would explain why they do not fit the aesthetic that was established in the first two movies. Our goal continues to be to design realistic vehicles that could exist in today's world that of course convert into cool looking figures, but at the same time are great toys to be played with. As such, some of the 'design' aesthetics might change to fit character designs into the vehicle designs, thus the reason for the style change."<br />
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:From [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ck6hc6HlBjMJ:www.actionfigs.com/index.php%3Fcategoryid%3D61%26p2_articleid%3D2471+%22do+not+exist+in+the+movie+world%22&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com here]. So, no mention of the aligned continuity. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 08:27, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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::I'm trying to remember the Discussion on Allspark, I think maybe the impression was given by a combination of that answer and this one to us in the same Q&A:<br />
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::"Ultimately, Power Core Combiners are meant to exist in the modern world continuity. They are based on realistic vehicles, jets, helicopters, etc. all of which could exist today. So while they are not meant to be part of the "movie" universe, they are meant to exist with the modern world which we have seen come to life in the live-action films."<br />
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::I cant remember if there was more to it but basically in the same Q&A Hasbro said 1) Questionable RTS toys are set not in Movie continutiy but in the "modern world" and 2) that PCCs were part of the "modern world continuity". I think you can see how this can pre read that both are part of NA continuity. I'll look around and see if there's anything else that suggests the same.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:46, 28 February 2011 (EST)<br />
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== Classified novels = Moviesverse? ==<br />
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The [http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Classified-Switching-Ryder-Windham/dp/0316186333/ Amazon.com pre-order page] has put up an image of the first Classified novel cover, and it clearly shows Movie Bumblebee and ROTF Gears on the cover. I guess that would mean it refers to the Movie Continuity instead of the Aligned Continuity? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:59, 27 July 2011 (EDT)<br />
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== Timeline ==<br />
With the 13 and Unicron appearing in the series and the impending release of Exiles, does anyone else think that by the end of the week we'll have enough information to start a rudimentary timeline page for the Aligned continuity? I guess it would have to be like the Movieverse timeline page in noting that there are some continuity conflicts but I think Exodus + Exiles + WfC + the one-shot comic + the show has enough by now that it would be plausible. {{unsigned|209.51.184.13}}<br />
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==Rescue Bots==<br />
Why is RB considered part of the aligned continuty, when it seems to take place in Different universe not related to the aligned continuty? {{unsigned|Eagc7}}<br />
: [[Talk:Optimus Prime (WFC)#Aligned?|Link to the discussion.]] [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 20:01, 22 December 2011 (EST)<br />
:Aligned isn't a continuity, it's a continuity ''family''. Like the Generation 1 continuity family, there are several continuities which we group together within it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:18, 22 December 2011 (EST)<br />
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== Major updates needed ==<br />
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We've still go the ''Prime'' game listed as "to be released in October 2012" on the page, and it's 9 months later that that now. Can anyone add to the section to explain how well it does or doesn't ties in to the overall continuity? I never got the game, so I don't thing my second- or third-hand knowledge is up to snuff. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:32, 22 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
:[[Transformers: Prime - The Game#Continuity headache|This explains how it doesn't fit]]. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:55, 22 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Bot Shots and Kre-O ==<br />
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Both of these look like they should count as Aligned:<br />
* Hasbro said that the bulk of new Transformers properties would be Aligned<br />
* Both follow the "combining previous franchises' portrayals" pattern that Aligned is based around<br />
* Bot Shots introduced the Predacon faction (and the Beast Hunters concept) at the same time as Prime<br />
* The extreme difference in visual style is nothing new - take anything listed as [[Super deformed]], for instance<br />
* As for the characters who look significantly different from their Aligned counterparts (e.g. [[Sentinel Prime (Kre-O)]] and [[Sentinel Zeta Prime]]) - well, that's already happened within Aligned: [[Hot Shot (Prime)]] and [[Arcee (WFC)]], for example, are unrecognisable in their Prime forms compared to their WFC forms<br />
To me, it looks like Hasbro wanted to continue what they were doing in Prime in other forms of toys, and didn't bother saying "these are Aligned" because it's only us that care about things like continuity families. The toys weren't made to be scrutinised like this, and continuity families are such a vaguely-defined concept in the first place, as we discovered with the movie and IDW debates. I'd say that, unless Hasbro specifically say that Bot Shots and/or Kre-O are their own families, they could easily be shoved into Aligned. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 03:44, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
: So you're just going to ignore all the blatant G1 & movie design cues in Kre-O and Bot Shots, then. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:42, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::And even ignoring designs, Kre-O has a bunch of fiction and bios establishing these aren't brick-built representations of regular fictional Transformers, they're toys of characters who are actually built of bricks in-universe, which Aligned guys plainly aren't. <br />
::Bot Shots is admittedly less clear cut, but the central premise of 'Autobots and Decepticons war on Cybertron in formal arena battles' isn't one that's really compatible with the Aligned story. In addition to the 'continuity amalgam' trait of Aligned, another important part of it is somehow fitting into the big ol' [[Aligned timeline]], even loosely, per the 'squint test', but there isn't really a place for Bot Shots anywhere. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 07:25, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
::M Sipher, I wasn't ignoring them - that's the second bullet point. Jalaguy, I understand your points, especially the Kre-O ones. The Bot Shots one - well, the video games, especially fighting games, never really try to establish a point in continuity where they can happen - look at [[Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle]], for instance. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 11:42, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
:::That second bullet point REALLY does not address the design issue at all. The overwhelming majority of the first-year Kreons are blatantly designed ''specifically'' on the G1 models, as are a ton of the Micro-Changers. The chest tampos are of Datsuns and Toyota Onebox vans and COE Frieghtliners and etc. That is not the same as Aligned's amalgamated character visuals. Bot Shots and Kre-O are best left where they are, as "umbrella" franchises on their own. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:04, 23 July 2013 (EDT)<br />
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== Autobot Dropships,Other Things ==<br />
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Questions:<br />
Did we ever see an Autobot Dropship as close up as the Decepticons'? Who are worse: Brutes or Leapers? Should FOC's turrests have been like WFC's? Did the Guardians ever show their patrol mode (without the stealth cracker beam)? Did Autobot dropships change, like the 'con's? Did Trypicon seem too small to be the Nemesis when Megatron and Soundwave found him? Did the Energon Battle Pistol have a targeting beam, like the Null-ray? - [[User:J-Plane|J-Plane]] ([[User talk:J-Plane|talk]]) 17:52, 10 December 2014 (EST)<br />
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The dropships can be seen the best in the start of the last Autobot level, Definitely Leapers because Brutes are easy to trick especially with multiple people, no because of the new weapon layout, no the Guardians didn't that was scrapped, yes the Autobot dropships changed as seen in the Autobots' base in FOC's 1st Prime level, & if your talking about the sniper enemies then yes the battlepistol did have a targeting beam--[[User:Robogamer64|Robogamer64]] ([[User talk:Robogamer64|talk]]) 09:16, 25 January 2015 (EST)<br />
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== Official name ==<br />
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As of the new TCC magazine, it's not just the wiki's necessary construct anymore. In fact, the article claims "Aligned" has always been Hasbro's internal name for it. Jackpot, are you some sort of wizard? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:38, 18 December 2014 (EST)</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Wii_U&diff=912492Wii U2014-10-28T00:43:39Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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== Wiki update issues ==<br />
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The recent wiki update seems to have affected the <nowiki>{{--}}</nowiki> template, in that it [[Ironhide (BS)|doesn't seem to work anymore.]] <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki> seems to work, though. --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] ([[User talk:Inkblot|talk]]) 21:39, 9 November 2013 (EST)<br />
:I see the problem. Mediawiki doesn't use a name tags for anchors any more. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:04, 9 November 2013 (EST)<br />
::And it's fixed. Thanks. :-) --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] ([[User talk:Inkblot|talk]]) 22:13, 9 November 2013 (EST)<br />
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Also, I noticed that the galleries [[Homage|aren't bordered anymore.]] --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] ([[User talk:Inkblot|talk]]) 01:39, 11 November 2013 (EST)<br />
:That actually appears to be an intentional change. If I use the gallery tag on Wikipedia, the gallery doesn't have a border either. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:25, 11 November 2013 (EST)<br />
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[[:Category:Navigation_templates|Nav templates]] have gone a bit wibbly. [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Template:Nav-bm&curid=18851&diff=838471&oldid=640853 I kludged a fix for the BM one there], but it would probably be easier converting them all to use a base template at {{tl|Nav}}, and just having the links and logo entered in the individual navs. Similar to how {{tl|Messagebox}} and many of the copyright templates work. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 13:54, 18 November 2013 (EST)<br />
:Yes, that seems like a good idea. It'll keep them standard! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:59, 21 November 2013 (EST)<br />
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== Marvel G1 Cover Artists ==<br />
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Hi, can I just ask where we got the info for US cover artists from, as they weren't credited in the issues themselves. I only ask because this wiki says that Mark Texeira did the cover for both US#3 and US#4, but on the Comic Book Database (comicbookdb.com) they list Mike Zeck as the cover artist to #3. So, which site is correct, the TFwiki or comicbookdb? And if the wiki has the wrong cover artist for US#3, is it possible some of the cover credits to other issues might also be in need of correction? Cheers! --[[User:Ryan Frost|Ryan Frost]] ([[User talk:Ryan Frost|talk]]) 14:20, 18 November 2013 (EST)<br />
:Even worse, while we credit the cover to Mark Texeira on the [[:File:MarvelUS-03.jpg|image page]], the actual [[Prisoner of War!|issue page]] credits it to Michael Golden. I think most of the Marvel cover credits really need to be double-checked against a reliable source, but I'm not sure where to find one. The Titan reprints had an intro which often named the cover artists, ISTR, but not always. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:30, 21 November 2013 (EST)<br />
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==Bing==<br />
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I've noticed that tfwiki doesnt show up in bing searches. Rather you'll get the wikia site even if you type in "tfwiki."<br />
Has this been dealt with?<br />
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--[[User:Lush City|Lush City]] 20:47, 29 November 2013 (EST)<br />
:I think it's one of the crawlers that got blocked for hammering the site. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:13, 29 November 2013 (EST)<br />
::It was. I've re-enabled it now that I've got the wherewithal to deal with things using a method other than the banhammer of rage. Give it a few days. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] ([[User talk:McFly|talk]]) 17:15, 11 December 2013 (EST)<br />
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==Optimus Prime (Covenant of Primus)==<br />
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Given what the COP book has put out, we know that the Thirteenth Prime is Optimus Prime. Which brings up some questions that Hasbro has saw fit to tease us with for a whikle. Now, that said, we still need to compile the information. I suggest, since we dont know HOW exactly that is supposed to work, we treat it like Sideways after the Second Allspark Almanac. We make a new page Optimus Prime (COP) detailing the history outlined in the Covenant , and then place in his and Optimus Prime (WFC)'s note pages that they may or may not be the same person, or reincarnations or whatever.<br />
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Thoughts? [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 16:54, 14 December 2013 (EST)<br />
:Well, as far as I understand, the Covenant is all stuff that had been planned from the very conception of the Aligned universe. It's not a retcon; Aligned Optimus has been one of the Thirteen all along, so I don't see that it necessitates a new article. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 18:59, 14 December 2013 (EST)<br />
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They way it's presented, we dont know if it's LITERALLY the same Optimus, or some kind of G1 Optimus/ Optimus Primal thing or what. The book calls him Thirteen the whole time , and then on the last page or so goes (oh yeah, he's OPTIMUS PRIME) so I dont think we can be certain if he's the same character or if the name is just the same (Like Megatronus and Megatron). Thus the idea of a separate linked page until we get confirmation on how it all sussses out. [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 14:19, 15 December 2013 (EST)<br />
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Otherwise I'm just going to edit COP stuff into Optimus Prime (WFC) main page.<br />
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==What's with the completely different formats?==<br />
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I noticed it at the beginning of this month, maybe it's been around longer than that. Some pages randomly seem to be in a completely different format than the one I've been used to seeing for years. It looks like it might be a mobile format or something but there's nothing different in the address that would indicate that it's the case. I don't really know the technical side of this wiki or what kind of decisions are officially made, so instead of trying to explain it I'll just use screenshots. <br />
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http://i.imgur.com/lF4KWnA.png Dark Cybertron 3 page looks like this<br />
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http://i.imgur.com/rXR7cIo.png but clicking to the next issue looks like this<br />
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I hope this isn't some kind of new official format that's slowly being rolled out because I find it less user-friendly overall. And if it isn't a new format you've decided on, then what is it, a mistake being caused by the wiki software itself? As far as I can tell from this discussion page, no one else has mentioned it, but I can't be the only one who's seeing it can I? [[User:Arborday|Arborday]] ([[User talk:Arborday|talk]]) 11:52, 24 December 2013 (EST)<br />
:It's the mobile skin, [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=WPtouch WPtouch]. Clearly, something's gone screwy if you're getting it randomly... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 11:57, 24 December 2013 (EST)<br />
::Yeah, I don't even own a smart phone, I browse everything from a desktop. Usually I can tell if something is a mobile page, like if someone using a phone links something on facebook, I'll see a ".m" in the address, but I'm not seeing anything different about the address when I see these pages on this wiki. Not sure why I'd be the only one having this problem, but if other people are seeing it too then it must be a problem on the tech end right? [[User:Arborday|Arborday]] ([[User talk:Arborday|talk]]) 12:03, 24 December 2013 (EST)<br />
:::The mobile skin is no more special than any other skin, so there's no difference in the URL. You might as well post up what browser you're using, since that'll no doubt be helpful information for the wiki's techy people. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:10, 24 December 2013 (EST)<br />
::::The wiki autodetects from the user agent when you're on a mobile device and gives you the appropriate skin. I thought it might have been squid causing the problem, but I conducted a test just now (I visited a page on my phone, and then on my PC from a logged-out browser) and it worked fine. It could be that Arborday's ISP is using a proxy which is caching the pages and so he's getting random pages with the mobile skin simply because someone on his ISP visited them with a mobile device previously. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:23, 24 December 2013 (EST)<br />
:::::I'm on Firefox, I dunno anything about proxies and the format changing seems to be just totally random. I can be viewing one page normally, click a link and it takes me to a mobile page, and then click another link and I'm on a normal page again. It doesn't make any sense to me and I guess it could be because of what you're saying with the ISP, but I don't really understand that stuff. [[User:Arborday|Arborday]] ([[User talk:Arborday|talk]]) 01:50, 25 December 2013 (EST)<br />
::::::The issue may have been fixed since the last time I posted, pages that were previously on the mobile skin are now back to normal. Now I'm having an issue where some pages will show 4 "GO" images at the same time, but this isn't nearly as much of an inconvenience as the mobile issue. [[User:Arborday|Arborday]] ([[User talk:Arborday|talk]]) 01:53, 25 December 2013 (EST)<br />
:::::::You're possibly seeing it as fixed because you're logged in. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:32, 25 December 2013 (EST)<br />
::::::::I seem to have suddenly lost the mobile site design from my iPhone. I actually preferred it to the standard version; how can I get it back? Logging in / out has no effect, nor does shutting down / running out of power. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 22:09, 21 January 2014 (EST)<br />
:::::::::The auto-detection was turned off because squid was caching the mobile version and serving it to desktop browsers (We're looking at better ways to do it). The skin is still installed though, so you can set it as your site skin in preferences, though it has the drawback that you'll always see the mobile skin even if you're on a desktop or laptop. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:34, 21 January 2014 (EST)<br />
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== GoBox glitches? ==<br />
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At least a couple of times in the past few days, instead of getting a single GoBox image, my monitor will display a whole bunch of them, sometimes instead of the Search box. Is this a site issue, or is my computer/karma to blame? --Rhymus (talk) 19:36, 22 November 2013 (EST)<br />
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--[[Template_talk:Goicons#GoBox_glitches.3F]]<br />
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It's happened to me maybe a dozen times since then.<br />
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--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 06:51, 30 December 2013 (EST)<br />
:Just noticed Arborday seems to mention the same or similar problem in what's currently the second-to-last comment in [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#What.27s_with_the_completely_different_formats.3F|What's with the completely different formats?]] --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 07:40, 30 December 2013 (EST)<br />
::It's caused by the part of the skin not loading properly. I've been trying to track down why it's happening for a while now. I guess I could tweak the skin to fail better when it happens at least. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:45, 30 December 2013 (EST)<br />
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How come the GoBox doesn't come up on the side of the anymore? Under the "help" button (where it usually is) it isn't there. --[[User:Deceptibot-5795479|Deceptibot-5795479|talk]] 19:15 6 February 2012 (EST)<br />
:It's just your computer. It's there for me. Also, why is your signature showing you as being two years in the past? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:54, 6 February 2014 (EST)<br />
::The goboxes were broken - fixed now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:58, 6 February 2014 (EST)<br />
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== format of links ==<br />
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Is there a reason why, for example, [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) | Optimus Prime ] ] is preferable to [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) ] ] or [ [ Optimus Prime ] ] ? The consensus seems to be for the first option, and i'm curious why. Does linking to a redirect increase wear and tear on computers or something? [ [ Optimus Prime ] ] is easier to type than [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) | Optimus Prime ] ] and seems to yield the same results, while [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) ] ] is in between as far as difficulty to type but comes out ahead in terms of informing the user where the link will go.<br />
--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 06:54, 30 December 2013 (EST)<br />
:I tend to prefer pointing links to the final destination for a number of reasons: redirects can change what they're pointing at. If at some point in the future, we decided that "Optimus Prime" should link to Generation 1 Optimus Prime instead of the disambiguation page because G1 Prime is the most prominent, lasting incarnation of the character, then all the links that used the redirect to point to the disambiguation page would be pointing somewhere the original author didn't intend and which may not make sense.<br />
:Another reason I prefer linking to the final article is that because of the way MediaWiki works, if you use the Optimus Prime link, you end up at the url tfwiki.net/wiki/Optimus_Prime instead of tfwiki.net/wiki/Optimus_Prime_(disambiguation). If someone makes a link to their own page by copying from the address bar, they're linking to a redirect which may change to point to a different place. Search engines can also have trouble because it appears to them as though they're looking at two pages instead of one, though granted most search engines are smart enough these days to figure it out. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:13, 30 December 2013 (EST)<br />
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== When to / When not to mention nonfiction namesakes? ==<br />
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YES!<br />
*[[Ammonite]] says "In real life, Ammonites are either an [[wikipedia:Ammonoidea|extinct group of molluscs]] (like [[Dead End (BWN)|Dead End]]) or an [[wikipedia:Ammon|ancient tribe from Biblical times]]."<br />
*[[Blue Maximus]] says he is "named after ''[[wikipedia:The Blue Max|The Blue Max]]'', a 1966 film about a German fighter pilot during World War I."<br />
*[[The Magnificent Six!]] says "The title is a reference to ''[[wikipedia:The Magnificent Seven|The Magnificent Seven]]''."<br />
*[[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)]] says "Optimus Prime is not to be confused with the real-life persons: [http://www.facebook.com/#!/MR0ptimusPrime?ref=profile Mr. Optimus Prime], a well-known Transfan and International Firefighter who legally changed his name to Optimus Prime." (That Facebook link, by the way, says "This content is currently unavailable. The page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may have expired, or you may not have permission to view this page.")<br />
*[[Vortex (disambiguation)]] lists 1990 Vortex, [[GiG]]'s Italian-market name for the [[Battle Squad]] [[Micromaster]] [[Fireshot (G1)|Fireshot]] from Generation 1.<br />
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NO!<br />
*[[Blackwidow]] and [[Black Widow]] were deleted after i made them redirect to [[Blackarachnia (disambiguation)]], so i edited the disambiguation page itself (and its [[Talk:Blackarachnia (disambiguation)|talk page]]), and that got reverted, too.<br />
*[[Magnificent Seven]] does not mention anything from the disambiguation page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnificent_Seven<br />
*[[Magnificent Six]] does not mention anything from the disambiguation page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnificent_Seven (although it does link to [[The Magnificent Six!]] which links to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magnificent_Seven )<br />
*[[Orion_(disambiguation)]] article [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Orion_(disambiguation)&action=history reverted] my link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_(spacecraft) (or should i have linked Wikipedia's own disambiguation page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion )?<br />
*[[Rapido]] does not mention [[Windcharger (G1)]] or [[Cliffjumper (G1)]], who were both called Rapido in Canadian-French; i made a disambiguation page which was deleted.<br />
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i ''know'' i'm forgetting a bunch more examples--more edits i've made that other users have reverted (with some of those edits somehow getting removed from my contributions page afterward?), and more pages that i ''haven't'' edited but make references similar to the ones i've had undone. So i'm curious if there's an official policy, with official exceptions, or something?<br />
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--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 07:34, 30 December 2013 (EST)<br />
:Most of those examples you've cited under "no" are not equivalent to the ones you've cited under "yes". To give a few quick explanations:<br />
:*We don't disambig or create redirects based on foreign names because there are so many. Disambiguation pages are created if there are three or more articles with matching English names. Fireshot is listed on the Vortex disambiguation page because there were already three or more (English-named) Vortexes, though it should probably be listed separately at the bottom like Perceptor on [[Cliffjumper (disambiguation)]]. I've just moved it there.<br />
:*[[The Magnificent Six!]] page has a note about it being a reference to The Magnificent Seven. To be consistent, the note for Magnificent Seven should probably go on [[Prime Directive issue 1]], I guess.<br />
:*I'm not sure about adding Wikipedia links to disambiguation pages like the Orion one, because they're disambiguation pages for articles on TFWiki. If we know a particular Orion was named after the spaceship, it should be on the relevant page anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:43, 2 January 2014 (EST)<br />
:And I'm in favour of removing the Facebook link from the Optimus Prime disambig page if it no longer works. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:43, 2 January 2014 (EST)<br />
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== End of 2013 toys ==<br />
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I've been trying to correctly post the late 2013 and upcoming 2014 toys but it's sort of confusing what's been released. Has Swerve and Cosmos actually made it to retail or just to a select few? What about Rhinox/Doubledealer? The latter is available at online retailers, but does that count? Thanks. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 16:46, 31 December 2013 (EST)<br />
:Swerve and Cosmos are only out in Asia, I think. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:15, 2 January 2014 (EST)<br />
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== tfwiki.info vs tfwiki.net ==<br />
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Not an objection, but a genuine curiosity: What's the point of the second url? On my computer, tfwiki.info automatically redirects to tfwiki.net ,so it's not like we're lightening the traffic on tfwiki.net or anything.<br />
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--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 23:17, 1 January 2014 (EST)<br />
:Branding. [[User:McFly|McFly]] ([[User talk:McFly|talk]]) 13:20, 7 January 2014 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for answering, but i still don't get it. But i guess i'm not too worried about it, either. --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 16:58, 29 January 2014 (EST)<br />
:::It prevents anyone else from establishing a competing site at the .info location. Basically, we want to associate the term "tfwiki" with this particular wiki about Transformers. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 18:13, 29 January 2014 (EST)<br />
::::Ah! That makes sense... but begs the question of why not tfwiki.com or tfwiki.org or whatever else? --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 07:19, 1 February 2014 (EST)<br />
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== faction symbols above character articles? ==<br />
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i feel like they've been disappearing. Is that deliberate? They aren't completely absent, so i'm not sure if adding them is the work-in-progress, or deleting them is the work-in-progress. (The [[Combaticon (G1)]] article still shows the symbols i'm talking about--in the Combaticons' case, the symbols of the G1 Decepticons, G2 Decepticons, G1 Autobots, and Cybertron Elite Guard.) --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 16:54, 29 January 2014 (EST)<br />
:Do you have any examples of articles they've disappeared from? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:05, 29 January 2014 (EST)<br />
::(This must be how a Human feels when "I know I put that [[Soundwave (G1)|music]] [[Frenzy (Movie)|player]] right here just a second ago!") ...No, i don't know of any articles currently lacking the faction symbols. i'm pretty sure [[Rack'n'Ruin]] was where i first noticed the problem, but now that article ''does'' have the symbols. As i recall, i recently learned that IDW depicted those two as Decepticons, so i specifically looked up their article looking for the Decepticon insignia at the top of their page, and was surprised not to see ''any'' faction symbols, so i checked a bunch of other randomly selected character articles and saw the symbols gone from those articles, too, so i assumed TFWiki got rid of them all. i couldn't find any character articles WITH the symbols... now i can't find any WITHOUT them. So, maybe the problem fixed itself? --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 07:15, 1 February 2014 (EST)<br />
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== Well that's just (Prime) (WFC) (FOC) (Generations) (RB) (Aligned) ==<br />
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Has there been any discussion of using a disambiguation suffix like [[Aligned continuity family|(Aligned)]] instead of all those others? i was just on [[Talk:Ruination_(FOC)]] and saw some debate about which parenthetical to use, but that's certainly not the only article where the thought has crossed my mind that we might save a lot of hassle if we "Aligned" their disambiguations. Is the problem that "Aligned" is not a canon term?<br />
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--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 07:49, 1 February 2014 (EST)<br />
:The problem is that disambiguation suffixes are by franchise of operation. Several people vehemently insist that WFC and FOC are franchises distinct from Prime while others consider such a distinction to be highly artificial. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:23, 3 February 2014 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. By the way, is [[Thrilling 30]] considered part of [[Transformers: Generations|Generations]], [[CHUG]], [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]], and/or the [[Generation 1 continuity family]]? --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 02:29, 4 February 2014 (EST)<br />
:::''Thrilling 30'' is the name of Hasbro's anniversary marketing campaign, and is the current branding for ''Generations'' (replacing ''Fall of Cybertron''). It's more like ''Generations'' is part of ''Thrilling 30'', not ''vice versa''. And it's not tied to any particular continuity family - it's a celebration of the brand's entire history. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 08:48, 5 February 2014 (EST)<br />
::::I feel compelled to point out that Rhymus could have worked this out himself by looking at the [[Thrilling 30]] page and seeing that the names were linked to characters from different franchises. Or by reading the text on it that says the toys are characters from different franchises. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:44, 5 February 2014 (EST)<br />
:::::i will concede Generations and G1, but CHUG is an unofficial term, Aligned a disputed one, and i feel like more and more TFs are being repurposed as part of multiple continuities (Prime Bulkhead repurposed as G1 Bulkhead, Thrilling 30/Armada Starscream repurposed as a new body for G1 Starscream, etc). --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 06:15, 17 May 2014 (EDT)<br />
Well even after the comics and FOC trying to have Prime and the WFC/FOC verses the same continuity RID's Sideswipe seems to be wounger and less mature than his battleworn FOC counterpart.<br />
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==New game==<br />
(First I don't know where else to put this)I Started a page on the game announced just a few hours ago, but not sure how to add all the other details http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Rise_of_the_Dark_Spark. [[User: BatboyEXE|--BatboyEXE]] Feb 15, 2014<br />
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=="Kids" article?==<br />
We have an article on [[Fandom]], why not one on [[Kids]]? "Kids are the sucky morons that Hasbro makes dumb Playskool toys for. At no point will they ever grow up and become part of the fandom." etc. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] ([[User talk:Hooper X|talk]]) 06:31, 17 February 2014 (EST)<br />
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== Using Adobe Reader files ==<br />
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I have some files that are in the Adobe Reader format that I have taken from the prepareforbattle website(from the Transformers Ride) which since have been removed.Can I upload them like any other file? {{unsigned|TulioDude}}<br />
:You [[:File:Cyberglyphics_reference.pdf|can upload PDFs]], yes.<br />
:Also, please sign your talk page posts by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end of your post - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 16:29, 5 May 2014 (EDT)<br />
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== Can't seem to move images... ==<br />
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Is there something wrong with the file moving system-thingamabob? Every time I try to move an image, I get this message:<br><br />
"You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reason:<br><br> The new file extension does not match its type"<br>--[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] ([[User talk:Inkblot|talk]]) 20:03, 22 May 2014 (EDT)<br />
:Seems to be working fine for me! Which image were you trying to move when you got the error and what were you trying to move it to? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:26, 22 May 2014 (EDT)<br />
::[[:File:Flatline.jpg]] to Transformerse_Universe_Flatline.jpg --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] ([[User talk:Inkblot|talk]]) 20:32, 22 May 2014 (EDT)<br />
:::Wait a gosh-darn minute, that jpg seems to be a png! Let me try something... yup, it was a fake jpg. --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] ([[User talk:Inkblot|talk]]) 20:41, 22 May 2014 (EDT)<br />
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==Image template==<br />
I have a picture for [[Fox Mulder]] that I'd like to upload but I realised that there's no template for X-Files: Conspiracy images, so I looked into building one but couldn't decide if it should be like the Hearts of Steel image template or the Mars Attacks image template (which is an IDWG1Interior template with a series template) and in looking to set one up got myself horribly lost. So, basically, um, help? Cheers, [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 12:21, 3 June 2014 (EDT)<br />
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==IDW Cybertronian -master partners==<br />
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IDW's Cybertronian NAIL [[Zetca (G1)]] was split off from the human Masterforce member [[Zetca (Masterforce)]].<br />
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IDW's Cybertronian NAILs [[Tracer (Nebulan)|Tracer]] and [[Holepunch (G1)|Holepunch]] are on the same page as the Nebulans Tracer and Holepunch.<br />
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Based on this [[Talk:Zetca (Masterforce)|talk page discussion]], I'd say IDW's Tracer and Holepunch should be split off from the Nebulans. What should the disambigs be? Holepunch (NAIL) and Holepunch (Nebulan)? There's also the Micromaster Tracer that's currently under [[Tracer (G1 Decepticon)]], so that plus Tracer (NAIL) and Tracer (Nebulan)? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 18:05, 5 June 2014 (EDT)<br />
:I've thought along similar lines for a while now - if Zetca's a separate character then so too are Holepunch and Tracer. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 11:47, 6 June 2014 (EDT)<br />
::Things we'd have to account for: Holepunch and Tracer have already been written as robots back in the eighties. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 14:01, 6 June 2014 (EDT)<br />
:::I never understood why Zetca was split off into two pages, while [[Overlord (Masterforce)]] was kept in one. Isn't the situation basically the same for both? In the Masterforce continuity, they're both people that hook up with transectors. Both of their IDW continuity counterparts are pure Cybertronian. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 15:45, 6 June 2014 (EDT)<br />
::::Yeah, I'd think it be much better to put them back together again. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:49, 6 June 2014 (EDT)<br />
:::::Overlord is the transtector used by two humans that eventually became a lifeform in its own right. We split pages just based on faction ([[Direct-Hit (ROC)]], [[Direct-Hit (G1)]]); I think species is a bigger distinction. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 16:30, 6 June 2014 (EDT)<br />
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== G1 Season One episode titles ==<br />
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In the first season, the G1 cartoon episodes had no on-screen title. So what's our source for the correct rendering of these titles?<br />
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There are at lease three different ways of parsing episode 8 - this wiki settles on 'S.O.S. Dinobots', the original North American VHS release was 'S.O.S. Dinobots!' (with an exclamation mark) and the dialogue script on the UK DVD reads 'SOS -- Dinobots'.<br />
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Similarly the season finale is either 'Heavy Metal War' (this wiki), 'Heavy Metal Wars' (the UK VHS) or 'The Heavy Metal War' (dialogue script).<br />
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Looking round the internet I've also see 'Roll for It' with an exclamation mark, and 'Divide and Conquer' with an ampersand.<br />
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Now, I'm not suggesting we go around re-titling the pages for these episodes, but it'd be nice to know what source this wiki is using and the reasons behind it.<br />
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Cheers! [[User:Ryan Frost|Ryan Frost]] ([[User talk:Ryan Frost|talk]]) 17:20, 24 June 2014 (EDT)<br />
:Wikipedia uses the same titles, which early revisions of their pages source back to [http://www.portents.com/marek/transformers/tfepgd.txt this list]. That seems to source stuff from the 1991 edition of ''The Encyclopedia of Animated Cartoons'', by Jeff Lenburg. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:49, 24 June 2014 (EDT)<br />
::I think the dialogue scripts would be the most official renderings we have in this case. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 19:42, 24 June 2014 (EDT)<br />
:::The titles we used seem to be the same as those on the Shout Factory DVDs, so they seem to be what's in common official use these days. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 01:47, 25 June 2014 (EDT)<br />
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==Minor internet fame==<br />
I don't know if everyone saw this, but we made Us Vs Th3m's favourite wiki definition of "[http://usvsth3m.com/post/84521565788/wikipedias-entry-for-human-is-like-a-bizarrely human]". It's nice to get a bit of recognition :) --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 03:23, 15 July 2014 (EDT)<br />
::Argh, I just realised they linked to the wrong wiki :( --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 03:27, 15 July 2014 (EDT)<br />
:Well ''technically'' it's our article.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] ([[User talk:Carrion|talk]]) 06:18, 15 July 2014 (EDT)<br />
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== Transformers: Human Alliance ==<br />
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I noticed the wiki has no article on the recent(ish) arcade shooter, "Transformers: Human Alliance". It's based on the live-action films. I played through the game while I was on vacation a few weeks back. Besides a few strange occurrences(There are a LOT of Ravage and Scorponok, as they're both common enemies in some levels, though a "King Scorponok" appears as a boss. Brawl is misnamed, this time as "Decepticon Brawler"...), it was alright. I was wondering if there should be an article for it? [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 22:05, 21 July 2014 (EDT)<br />
:Absolutely! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 01:52, 22 July 2014 (EDT)<br />
::Alright. Went ahead and created [[Transformers: Human Alliance|a page for it]]. First page I've created on this wiki, so feel free to correct any errors I may have made. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 16:48, 22 July 2014 (EDT)<br />
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== Toys vs. Merchandise ==<br />
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Okay, where the hell is the line meant to fall for these? Some stuff, like [[Heroes of Cybertron]] or Kabaya toys, I would definitely put under "Toys" is under "Merchandise". Merchandise is surely stuff like knitting patterns, M&Ms, tents, etc.<br />
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By the standards of what often goes under "merchandise", [[:File:AoE dino sparker Optimus and Grimlock.jpg|this]] should be merch, not toy... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 12:02, 18 August 2014 (EDT)<br />
:We had a discussion some time ago ([[Talk:Toy#What specifically is a "Transformers toy"?]]) but did not come up with any hard guidelines. My personal categorization would put Heroes of Cybertron, Kabaya kits and Dino Sparkers all into merchandise. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:30, 18 August 2014 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, this has always been nebulously defined. IMO, 'merchandise' should be reserved for stuff that's not actually a representation of the character (i.e. their face on a lunchbox or something) or where 'playing with it' is clearly not the intended purpose (i.e. a statue). It seems absurd to me that, say, the SDCC Shockwave HISS Tank is listed as 'merchandise' when it's clearly a thing that is a toy, and intended to represent Shockwave in-fiction. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 13:14, 18 August 2014 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm with Jalaguy on this. There could possibly be a sub-division of "toy" into transforming and non-transforming, or something like that, but the division as it is is (a) inconsistent and (b) insomuch as it is consistent, frequently irrational (HISS Shockwave being a good example of the latter) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 13:50, 18 August 2014 (EDT)</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=904690User:Robogamer642014-09-14T20:28:12Z<p>Robogamer64: </p>
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<div>Hello and thank you whoever is reading this. I'm a huge Transformers fan and TF toy collector! My favorite Autobot is Hotshot ;Decpticon is Starscream and gestalt Devastator. Currently hunting for the latest TF toys</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Revenge_of_the_Fallen_(video_games)&diff=897822Revenge of the Fallen (video games)2014-08-20T20:34:52Z<p>Robogamer64: /* Featured characters */</p>
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<div>{{cleanup|July 2009|This is below our standards}}<br />
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[[2009]] saw multiple '''''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'' video games''' published for numerous gaming systems by [[Activision Blizzard|Activison]] in conjunction with the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|motion picture]].<br />
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==Versions==<br />
* [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, Windows PC]]<br />
* [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)|Wii, PlayStation 2]] <br />
* Nintendo DS [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: Autobots/Decepticons|Revenge of the Fallen: Autobots and Decepticons]]<br />
* [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (PSP)|PSP]]<br />
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{{gamestub|Brief descriptions of each version needed}}<br />
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==Featured characters==<br />
{{featuredcharacters<br />
|h1=Playable Characters|c1=<br />
'''[[Autobot]]s'''<br />
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/games|Optimus Prime]]<br />
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)/games|Bumblebee]]<br />
* [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]<br />
* [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]<br />
* [[Breakaway (ROTF)|Breakaway]]<br />
* [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] <span style="color: red">*</span> <span style="color: green"><sup>†</sup></span> <span style="color: blue"><sup>‡</sup></span><br />
* [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] <span style="color: red">*</span> <span style="color: purple"><sup>§</sup></span><br />
* [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] <span style="color: red">*</span><br />
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* [[Optimus Prime (G1)|"Generation One" Optimus Prime]] <span style="color: red">*</span><br />
'''[[Decepticon]]s'''<br />
* [[Megatron (Movie)/games|Megatron]]<br />
* [[Starscream (Movie)/games|Starscream]]<br />
* [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]]<br />
* [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]<br />
* [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]<br />
* [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] <span style="color: green"><sup>†</sup></span><br />
* [[Dead End (ROTF)|Dead End]] <span style="color: blue"><sup>‡</sup></span><br />
* [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] <span style="color: red">*</span><br />
* [[Megatron (G1)|"Generation One" Megatron]] <span style="color: red">*</span><br />
* [[Starscream (G1)|"Generation One" Starscream]] <span style="color: red">*</span><br />
* [[Sunstorm (G1)|"Generation One" Sunstorm]] <span style="color: red">*</span><br />
|h2=[[Drone]]s|c2=<br />
'''Autobots'''<br />
* [[Protectobot (ROTF)|Protectobots]]<br />
:* [[Protectobot Scout]]<br />
:* [[Protectobot Sniper]]<br />
:* [[Protectobot Warrior]]<br />
* [[Aerialbot (ROTF)|Aerialbots]]<br />
:* [[Aerialbot Scout 1]]<br />
:* [[Aerialbot Scout 2]]<br />
:* [[Aerialbot Warrior]]<br />
* [[Omnibot (ROTF)|Omnibots]]<br />
:* [[Omnibot Scout 1]]<br />
:* [[Omnibot Scout 2]]<br />
:* [[Omnibot Warrior]]<br />
'''Decepticons'''<br />
* [[Combaticon (ROTF)|Combaticons]]<br />
:* [[Combaticon Scout]]<br />
:* [[Combaticon Sniper]]<br />
:* [[Combaticon Warrior]]<br />
* [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicons]]<br />
:* [[Constructicon Scout]]<br />
:* [[Constructicon Warrior]]<br />
* [[Seeker (Movie)|Seekers]]<br />
:* [[Seeker Sniper]]<br />
:* [[Seeker Warrior 1]]<br />
* [[Stunticon (ROTF)|Stunticons]]<br />
:* [[Stunticon Scout 1]]<br />
:* [[Stunticon Scout 2]]<br />
:* [[Stunticon Sniper]]<br />
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h3=Other Characters|c3=<br />
'''Decepticons'''<br />
* [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]<br />
* [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]]<br />
* [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]]<br />
'''[[Human]]s'''<br />
* [[Sam Witwicky]]<br />
* [[Mikaela Banes]]<br />
* [[Theodore Galloway|Director Galloway]]<br />
* [[William Lennox|Major Lennox]]<br />
* [[Robert Epps|Sergeant Epps]]<br />
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:<span style="color: red"><nowiki>*</nowiki></span>: Downloadable content in PS3 and Xbox 360 versions.<br />
:<span style="color: green"><sup>†</sup></span>: Playable on the Nintendo DS<br />
:<span style="color: blue"><sup>‡</sup></span>: Playable on the PSP<br />
:<span style="color: purple"><sup>§</sup></span>: Playable on the PS2 and Wii<br />
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{{gamestub|Stunticons and anybody else who is missing.}}<br />
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==External links==<br />
*[http://www.transformersgame.com Official website for Transformers: The Game]<br />
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:''Guardians are [[Decepticon]] guards from the [[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].<br />
The '''Guardians''' are [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron's]]...well, guardians. As if that wasn't obvious. Although they have no [[alternate mode]], their robot forms can shift into three different forms: Patrol, Investigate, and Battle.<br />
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== Games ==<br />
=== ''Transformers: Fall of Cybertron'' ===<br />
[[Image:Guardian attack mode foc.jpg|thumb|left|300px|The Battle mode of a Guardian.]]<br />
The Guardians patrolled the Decepticon-controlled ruins in the Sea of Rust under the orders of Shockwave in anticipation of Autobot snoopers. Autobot snoopers did arrive in the form of Cliffjumper and Jazz. While the Guardians' sensors proved capable to see through Cliffjumper's cloaking ability, the Autobot's skill allowed him to sneak up and defeat the Guardians with ease.<br />
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Guardians were also employed in Shockwave's security towers, and engaged the similarly cloak-equipped Starscream in combat.<br />
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{{storylink|Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron}}<br />
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[[Category:Video game-only characters]]</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Art_of_Transformers:_Fall_of_Cybertron&diff=895505Talk:The Art of Transformers: Fall of Cybertron2014-08-17T01:37:37Z<p>Robogamer64: Created page with "Anyone going to update this atleast with pictures?"</p>
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<div>Anyone going to update this atleast with pictures?</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Robogamer64&diff=892623User:Robogamer642014-08-09T23:06:34Z<p>Robogamer64: Created page with "Hello and thank you whoever is reading this. I'm a huge Transformers fan and TF toy collector! My favorite Autobot is Hotshot ;Decpticon is Starscream and gestalt Devastator. ..."</p>
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<div>Hello and thank you whoever is reading this. I'm a huge Transformers fan and TF toy collector! My favorite Autobot is Hotshot ;Decpticon is Starscream and gestalt Devastator. Currently hunting the latest TF toys</div>Robogamer64https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Transformers_Comic_issue_5.1&diff=892621Talk:Transformers Comic issue 5.12014-08-09T22:58:24Z<p>Robogamer64: Created page with "With the Megatrons either frozen or dead error technically its not an error because of this ''Even in death there is no command but mine'' Megatron to Starscream RotF so Lockd..."</p>
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<div>With the Megatrons either frozen or dead error technically its not an error because of this ''Even in death there is no command but mine'' Megatron to Starscream RotF so Lockdown and Knucklehead knowing this and not wanting to get on Megs bad side makes this not an error.</div>Robogamer64